[00:00] heh [00:00] I need to have a vm with win7, this new machine handles it well [00:00] I have a toshiba sattelite something.. the screen blurs when you move the clitmouse [00:00] haha. I am forced to take vb.net class next half-semester [00:00] this one isn't bad at all. [00:00] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.33 | AMD Athlon(tm) Neo Processor MV-40 800.000 MHz | Bogomips: 1600.1 | Mem: 3234/3698M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 156.72G Free: 148.08G | Procs: 139 | Uptime: 1 hr 28 mins 58 secs | Load: 0.11 0.09 0.05 | Vpenis: 175.7 cm | Vboobies: 71G | Screen: unknown @ 1366x768 (32 bpp) | wlan0: In: 265.51M Out: 11.59M [00:00] I just got mono ill just compile it natively, frig that [00:01] aint runnin windows [00:01] you should totally check out my amd. [00:01] 66 mhz of awesomeness. [00:01] hehe [00:02] its a k6. [00:02] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:02] Fatalnix, you should check out gambas2 or freebasic, im not a fan of the .net anything [00:02] heh [00:02] with amazingly 64 mb of edo ram! [00:02] Fatalnix, x-less? [00:02] I almost think it was 128 but I doubt it [00:02] yeah, uses the old keyboards too [00:02] the din 5's or whatever they were. [00:03] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [00:03] i still use a laptop with 64MB RAM (no X) [00:03] I actually used a usb to ps2 to that connector adapter [00:03] my toshiba sattelite had 48 megs of ram, was an upgrade, comes with 16 [00:04] haha, antique [00:04] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.55) joined ##slackware. [00:04] I could run fluxbox.. the screen blurred when you moved the mouse, and it was nice. However, one issue. [00:04] i cant use anything less then 300mb its just bothersome not to multitask [00:04] when I tested kde... [00:04] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:04] good morning :) [00:05] I started near midnight or so [00:05] woke up the next morning and the splash showed. [00:05] try openbox or lxde [00:05] openbox is alright, lxde is a neat concept but I dont need that sort of overhead [00:05] haha, sounds like an experience I had on a 486 with caldera openlinux (it was similarly slow) [00:06] I'm not a DE person anymore either [00:06] i use fluxbox myself the config is saner no xml menus [00:06] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] I use Fluxbox. [00:06] I'm thinking about following one of our other systems admin's leads. [00:06] he's a dwm user. [00:06] ic. [00:06] cool [00:06] I use flux on my older desktop, once you set it up the way you want it is really nice [00:06] dwm isnt too bad [00:06] I'm intrigued by, and terrified of his WM. [00:06] dwm --> tiling ? [00:06] I use xfce on my newer machines [00:07] I like awesome too, ratpoison is something else lol [00:07] trhodes: yes [00:07] flux default hotkeys ctrl-f1-f12 is very nice [00:07] ahh, i'm considerin xmonad [00:07] I hate the new fluxbox default keys [00:07] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [00:07] i used to use ion [00:07] so I changethem [00:07] I've historically been a gnome or xfce user. [00:07] I swap ctrl and alt like they probably should be [00:07] most recently I've been using lxde [00:08] or openbox by itself. [00:08] i cant stand gnomes size process count wise [00:08] lxde is pretty cool. I used it for a bit as a test [00:08] xfce was decent [00:08] what happened to it CcSsNET ? [00:08] i used flux instead [00:09] you said it *was* decent..??? [00:10] ... [00:10] looking for a new gtk & fluxbox theme... [00:10] xfce is the smallest of the "full featured" DEs [00:10] xfce sure starts fast [00:10] the dark one I have is starting to get my eyes [00:11] and I like its terminal (i use it everywhere) [00:11] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:11] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [00:11] yea it does have a file browser and desktop wallpaper setter so its basically complete xfce [00:11] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [00:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:14] I am watching UFC, it is great [00:14] UFC? [00:14] ubuntu fried chicken [00:14] Ultimate Fighting Championship [00:15] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:15] hahaha [00:16] ubuntu fucking crap [00:16] ? [00:16] watching an episode of dexter here, crazy stuff [00:16] that's when you know this country has problems (america) [00:16] burn notice [00:16] funnier [00:16] dexter = america's favorite serial killer [00:16] i mean give me a break [00:16] you wonder why people murder [00:17] jeev: people murder because some people are just fscking crazy. [00:19] because of shows like that. [00:19] The university scientists found that they could deduce tiny pieces of a private key by injecting slight fluctuations in a device's power supply as it was processing encrypted messages. In a little more than 100 hours, they were able to feed the device enough "transient faults" that they were able to assemble the entirety of its 1024-bit key. [00:19] damn, openssl vuln [00:19] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:19] wild [00:19] thats not funny using a psu to compute? 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[00:32] EXTREMELY EXTREMELY REMOTE [00:32] straterra, ekiga, go go go [00:32] haha yeah, it sounds as feasible as gettin keys from cold ram [00:32] trhodes: even less so..but the same thing [00:32] raela: I like twinkle :P [00:33] straterra: trying to pull people in I guess to test it out [00:33] The 'exploit' they used to 'crack' RSA can only be done in a lab environment.. [00:33] raela: oh..remind me tomorrow..I'm about to head to bed [00:33] straterra: ah okay [00:33] that's like sniffing packets with a camera pointed at a NIC's LED [00:34] damned hiccups [00:34] brokedown, there's a really good way to cure it [00:34] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:34] http://www.cognitial.com/hiccups.asp [00:35] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Action: jeev misses watching michael jordan play ball [00:35] that RSA exploit is even more insane than the TPM hack [00:35] granted, the TPM hack used acid and needle probes... [00:35] O.o [00:36] For the TPM hack, he used acid to burn through the chip case and then probed the logic with micro needles. [00:36] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] for the RSA hack, they used a custom built voltage regulator to inject voltages into the RSA core [00:37] thats alot of test and failures i assume ^ [00:40] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:41] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:42] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] sinaga (~root@124.195.18.1) joined ##slackware. [00:44] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] there [00:44] got a bit of a new look [00:45] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:46] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:48] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] cut your hair ? [00:51] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] anyone happen to remember the commandthat updates and sorts the list of man pageson yoursystem? [00:52] jeev: thanks, that worked, a lot easier than the drink water upside down method too [00:52] damn space bar [00:52] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Fatalnix: /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis ? [00:53] oh yeah! [00:54] thanks :D [00:54] no problem. [00:54] I can never remember that one [00:54] probably because I never use it either. [00:54] i wonder if the hyphens in names thing got fixed by now [00:55] man pages with hyphens in their names had the last hyphenated part put into the single line summaries [00:55] in 12.2, duno about 13 or -current yet [00:56] 14.over9000 [00:59] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:02] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:07] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:13] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. 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[01:44] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:44] cbpye (~Administr@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] vcampos (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:46] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:47] So last time I was around I was looking for commentary on slackware64-current and radeon. anybody know the state of graphics on that offhand? [01:48] vbatts_ (3363@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:48] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:49] vbatts_ (3363@connie.slackware.com) left ##slackware. [01:50] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:51] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:51] eviljames: are you looking for a linux radeon driver for 64bit? [01:51] mbohun: nah, just any commentary or experience people have had with the latest bits, xorg 1.7.5 etc [01:52] mbohun: I have an r600-based card, so kms was dodgy last round... I'm using fglrx atm and it sucks. [01:54] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:55] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:56] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:56] hrm.. is it even really possible to unfuck your system after fglrx has been installed? [01:57] how was it built / was it packaged ? [01:57] (sorry, I know nothing about fglrx) [01:58] eviljames: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.19&lang=English [01:58] ok [01:59] eviljames: i haven't used radeon card with linux since mid 2005, so i have no personal experience with it, are you using the latest drivers from the AMD site? [01:59] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [02:03] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:04] mtkoan (~mtkoan@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:04] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [02:05] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/04/severe_openssl_vulnerability/ [02:05] "The university scientists found that they could deduce tiny pieces of a private key by injecting slight fluctuations in a device's power supply as it was processing encrypted messages. In a little more than 100 hours, they were able to feed the device enough "transient faults" that they were able to assemble the entirety of its 1024-bit key." [02:05] that was mentioned earlier :) [02:06] except I log in here at almost 2200 PST, so missed the earlier convo [02:06] yeah :) "severe" sounds like an overstatement [02:06] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [02:06] makes one read the article, however [02:06] It's severe for those who compute in hostile environments. [02:07] well, it's sever for portable devices, so that's good enough for the rating [02:07] However, it's not usually practical to take 100 hours to deduce the key. [02:07] not like openSSL is _only_ used on servers [02:07] Someone will notice you're messing with things in that time. [02:08] This is appropriate: http://xkcd.com/538/ [02:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:09] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:09] heh [02:10] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:10] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [02:10] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [02:13] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:14] I am almost compiling xorg-server-1.7.5 using the SlackBuild but this happens http://pastebin.com/dHtvWMB5 [02:14] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:14] how can I fix it? [02:15] is there a reason you want Xnest in there? [02:15] otherwise, find what Xnest needs and add the deps/point configure to the right dirs for the deps [02:15] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:15] or make sure configure knows to build XNESTMODULES as well [02:16] alisonken1noc not sure, I need to compile xorg-server-1.7.5 so I can get my GPU to work(I have been trying to make it work for a long time) [02:16] what gpu? [02:16] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] ok - then try disabling Xnest, my understanding is Xnest is not needed for normal desktop usage [02:16] mbohun: thanks for the link. [02:16] how do I disable Xnest? [02:17] --disable-xnest? [02:17] ./configure --help or make help [02:18] ReLeNtO (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] hrm, also it appears I have no sound from flash... something tells me it does not respect .asoundrc [02:21] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:21] alisonken1noc ./configure --help used a lot of the CPU and took too long for printing any text at all [02:21] so I stopped it [02:22] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4083, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-04 04:49:54 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:24] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:26] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:26] trhodes (~tom@184-8-83-138.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:28] alisonken1noc, I can not even run configure since it is ran by the SlackBuild [02:28] it tells me "permission denied" [02:28] if I "chmod 777 configure" it uses a lot of CPU and shows nothing [02:29] look in the readme /notes and go to the website to look for configuration options [02:29] you can edit the slackbuild to modify the configure options [02:30] chmod causes your CPU to pin? [02:30] configure [02:30] probably because he's not in the slackbuild directory for building X when running configure [02:30] yeah [02:30] it is x11.SlackBuild [02:30] and then configure/configure [02:31] configure is in a folder called configure [02:31] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.134) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:31] typically, you have to run "./configure" so it's running the local configure script within the build directory [02:32] optionally, you can view the makefile as well and see what options can be enabled/disabled [02:33] yeah, but if I run ./configure it tells me "Permission denied" [02:33] then chmoded it to 777, but then my CPU goes crazy [02:33] I will try changing the SlackBuild script [02:33] I found --disable-xnest to be correct [02:34] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:34] ok, I'm seeing a bunch of different things going crazy here... [02:34] if chmod causes your cpu to go crazy, something is wrong [02:34] no no, it is not chmod [02:34] if you're trying to use x11.SlackBuild and haven't read the documentation something else is wrong [02:35] but running ./configure in the source/x/ folder won't do anything afaik [02:35] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-252.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] yeah, but I have the slackBuild and built xf86-video-ati already [02:35] I suggested he run ./configure --help to see what options were available [02:36] now I need xorg-server [02:36] you may need to rebuild the video-ati after rebuilding X [02:36] hmm [02:36] _may_ , not necessarily _will_ [02:37] xD k [02:37] tsccof: I missed the first bit of this.. what are you up to? [02:37] kms on radeon? [02:37] radeon [02:37] it is an ATi Radeon 9600 Pr [02:37] Pro* [02:37] on the latest -current xorg stuff? [02:37] well, macavity told me I need to compile a lot of things to get it working [02:37] I built the latest kernel [02:38] libdrm, mesa-7.7(using slackbuilds) [02:38] xf86-video-ati(SlackBuild as well) [02:38] is that a relatively old or relatively new card? [02:38] relatively old [02:38] it did not work out of the box in Slackware 13 though [02:38] not fully [02:39] k, macavity is a sharp cat so I won't say his advice is bad. [02:39] but I'd start with moving to -current [02:39] how do I do that? D: [02:39] I am kind of new to Slackware [02:39] as you have probably noticed [02:39] which is kernel 2.6.33 and xorg-server 1.7.5 and libdrm-2.4.18 and so on... [02:40] and was built by PV so you know it's good :P [02:40] I have kernel 2.6.33 and libdrm-2.4.18 [02:40] now I am trying to build xorg-server-1.7.5 [02:40] tsccof: here's where my advice is bad.. [02:40] is there any other way to get it? [02:40] other than compiling it myself? [02:40] I am one of those folks who thinks slackware shouldn't do automated package management or other stuff like that. [02:40] eviljames, I am one of them as well [02:41] eviljames that is why I left Fedora, among other reasons [02:41] so I would recommend using rsync to get a copy of the -current packages, check the changelog for anything that has been removed and use removepkg on it, then upgradepkg with some install-new and reinstall flags [02:41] other people will tell you to use slackpkg and such. I think that's most uncool [02:42] tsccof: incoming massive one liner, if you have trouble parsing this I'll break it down for you [02:42] eviljames, no problem about that mate [02:42] eviljames, at the same time, I am sorry if I ask too many questions and/or am bothering you [02:43] tsccof: rsync -azPv rsync://[yourlocalmirror]/slackware/slackware-current . && cd slackware-current/slackware && upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall **/*t?z ... [wait a while] ... cd /etc && find . -iname "*.new" ... [check for important things] ... lilo [02:45] tsccof: throw into the mix there a grep ": Removed" ChangeLog.txt and then a removepkg [what's on the removed list] [02:45] i just noticed while installing 13.0, when i get to the package selection menu, the description for the L series states: "Libraries needed by both KDE and GNOME" [02:45] tsccof: I cannot stress enough how important the .new parts are in /etc [02:46] zux1wrk: up until a few years ago gnome shipped with slackware. [02:46] zux1wrk: s/a few years ago/it became too much of a PITA/ [02:46] slackpkg is good for basic package installs - not necessarily for system upgrades [02:46] i knoe [02:46] know [02:46] alisonken1noc: I should try it one of these days. [02:46] just wondering why that reference for gnome has not been removed [02:47] probably an oversight. send e-mail to PV :D [02:47] although I did use it for the previous -current full system upgrade - worked nicely [02:47] which reference for gnome? [02:47] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] see my quote earlier [02:48] alisonken1noc: zux1wrk was pointing out a ref. to gnome in the installer [02:48] I only remember the changelog for 12.0 [02:48] ah - maybe better wording for gtk+ apps rather than gnome, but gnome is still the reference for gtk apps [02:49] probably [02:49] it just seemed funny to me :) [02:50] heh [02:51] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-45-26.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:51] eviljames, when was the last time you checked out slackpkg? [02:52] alisonken1noc: *shrug* dunno offhand.. I just use {install,upgrade,remove}pkg. [02:52] hello? is there a problem with the slackware store? [02:52] Action: eviljames is at ap/ and counting... [02:52] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:53] eviljames: well, might be interesting for you to look at now. seems to be pretty stable since it's been moved from /extra and put in mainline [02:53] jrodger: what's the problem with the slackware store? [02:55] Every time I go to checkout the browser says it times out.... [02:55] buying slackware or gear? [02:55] belay that, must just be an office problem, home it works fine...... [02:55] slackware essentials book... [02:56] that is the "bible" isn't it? [02:57] http://slackbook.org/html/index.html - although buying from the store is nice, I would rather d/l or read online and buy slackware gear or slackware subscription myself [02:57] at least with slackware, the book doesn't age as bad as other distro's with their changing _personal_ touches [02:58] eviljames, rsync is going to take a LONG time [02:58] I spend a lot of time on public transport, I browsed the book and there is a lot of stuff I can use at office as well. [02:58] eviljames, I should build xorg-server myself [02:58] there is that - I sometimes prefer deadtree versions myself [02:59] eviljames, I am downloading things I will not even need [02:59] :| [02:59] what are you rsync'ing with? the whole site or just the slackware part? [02:59] rsync -azPv rsync://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current . && cd slackware-current/slackware && upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall **/*t?z ... cd /etc && find . -iname "*.new" ... lilo [03:00] slackware-current [03:00] jrodger, lucky you, i'v been trying to buy some toys from slackware store for about 5 months now... [03:01] last notice was that i come from a country of high fraud rate and i should fax them my credit card copy... [03:01] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: ..(cyp): Bitch-X BaBy! [03:02] where you from? [03:02] yeah - we run across customers from those places as well [03:02] latvia [03:02] what kind of toys? [03:02] unfortunately, it screws it for the good guys [03:02] i don't think we are at such high fraud rate, but whatever [03:02] latvia, had an ex-girlfriend from there once.... [03:02] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] jrodger, yeah, latvian girls are the best... [03:03] http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Kontron-MicroSpace-MPCX28R-Railway-Box-PC/?kc=rss <-- nice ruggedized atom box for linux theater in your car [03:03] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:03] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] ended up marryng a chinese girl [03:04] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:04] are you from USA? [03:04] Australia [03:04] would that be "jolly roger" ? :) [03:05] no, his evil uncle grumpy rodger....:p [03:05] just looked, they still have not taken any money from my account [03:06] :) [03:06] i was buying a tux toy for my child :) and a mousepad :) [03:06] zux1wrk, they only take money when items ship - I have a subscription and can verify that part [03:06] i hope tsccof understood what I meant by that... [03:06] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:06] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] lordraptor (lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [03:07] alisonken1noc, yeah, but that means that the items have not shipped yet... :( [03:07] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] true [03:07] i was hoping they had taken the money :) [03:07] but at least they're honest enough to not take your money first and then wait a month to ship stuff :) [03:08] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [03:08] jrodger, ex girlfriend, what was her name? i know one that moved to australia... [03:08] was quite a while ago,she was a little artsy for me..... [03:08] sinaga (~root@124.195.18.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:09] alisonken1noc, i just don't see where the problem is, if they take the money, then there is no more fraud chance, right? [03:09] jrodger, what does "artsy" mean? [03:10] or also, i don't understand why they don't use paypal [03:10] would have been easier for me and for them probably [03:10] was into arts and crafts, like a hippie [03:10] oh [03:10] zux1wrk, besides possible fraud issues arising from taking money first, then finding out they can't ship, as well as the expenses of refunds. [03:11] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [03:11] when they find out they can't ship for whatever reason [03:11] those are usually the ones traveling around the world :) [03:11] cu (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] ReLeNtO (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [03:11] Nick change: cu -> ReLeNtO [03:12] paypal can have other issues, especially with online stores [03:12] (from an owner/operator standpoint) [03:12] although a previous boss uses paypal for his ebay sales and seems to be ok with it [03:12] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:13] I found a solution! I extracted xorg-server-1.7.5 source code [03:13] ehh, it's been 2 days since i faxed them my card, maybe i should write another e-mail [03:13] and decided not to use the SlackBuild [03:13] so I ran ./configure --disable-xnest [03:13] it worked [03:13] my friend here also sells things in ebay via paypal, he makes devices that can be plugged into com port and gives you temperatures [03:14] he sends them to all around the world and is also ok with paypal [03:14] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-252.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:15] sometimes SlackBuilds are shitty [03:15] I am going to test this thing, brb [03:15] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:17] a very useful device for small server rooms, it gives me a text message to phone id the temperature in the server room rises too much [03:17] then i now that the conditioning has gone wrong [03:18] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.198.55) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:19] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-106-231.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:19] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:23] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.222.174) joined ##slackware. [03:24] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:25] :| I think I might leave Slackware for a while [03:26] why? [03:26] zux1wrk: I have been trying to get my GPU to work for a while, and it simply does not [03:26] well if you really know what you are doing..... [03:27] zux1wrk, I have compiled the latest kernel, libdrm, Mesa, xf86-video-ati and xorg-server-1.7.5 [03:27] and really sure that you'll have better luck with some other distro (which I doubt) [03:27] zux1wrk that is bugging me, I love Slackware [03:28] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:28] zux1wrk, I thought about giving openSuSE a try, what do you think? [03:29] i think that opensuse doesn't have nothing better to offer, except for developers who think that they know better what you want ;) [03:29] also i started my linux life with opensuse [03:29] it was just suse then [03:29] until i found slackware [03:30] can you help me? [03:30] getting it to work [03:30] the GPU [03:31] don't know, what is the GPU? [03:31] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] heh [03:31] zux1wrk, ATi Radeon 9600 Pro [03:31] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] tsccof, can't you get X to start at all? [03:32] tsccof, it works fine, but not fully, no 3D acceleration [03:33] do you use an xorg.conf? [03:33] yes [03:33] I will pastebin it [03:34] which driver do you use? [03:34] radeon [03:34] http://pastebin.com/3vbcV8gL [03:34] is that the closed or open soerce driver? [03:35] open source [03:35] fglrx is the closed source one [03:35] have you tried the closed srouce driver? [03:36] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:36] I can not install it, the 'fglrx' driver for my GPU comes with Catalyst 9.3 [03:36] ATi has dropped support for 'legacy cards' [03:36] and what is catalyst 9.3? [03:36] oh [03:36] it does not install under Slackware 13, unfortunately [03:37] even when I tried an older kernel(2.6.24) [03:37] yes, and the opensource driver is actively developed as much as i know [03:37] yeah [03:37] but not yet in a very good state [03:37] it worked well on Fedora 12 [03:37] hmm [03:37] but Fedora 12 is buggy [03:37] then the first thing is you have to look what was different there [03:38] what packages and versions did they use to make it work [03:38] tsccof: the free drivers work well enough for the most part on those "legacy cards" [03:38] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] LSD` yeah, it is not working here, unfortunately [03:39] after a some googling i found that the driver named "ati" is used, or is that old info? [03:39] zux1wrk, if I set the driver to 'ati', it does not recognise any display [03:39] Driver specifies which driver you want to use. IT HAS TO BE ati and NOT radeon or fglrx. The "ati" driver is a wrapper that will load the "radeon" driver if possible. [03:40] hmm [03:40] so the wrapper does something wrong [03:40] I will try that again, sec [03:40] tsccof, i have never used ati cards myself, this is just some googling [03:40] Hmm, they must have changed things because last I knew, "ati" was for the Rage and older cards and "radeon" was the newer one [03:41] LSD` exactly! I will try 'ati' again, just in case, brb [03:41] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:41] LSD`, i found this info in a ubuntu help page [03:41] That said, I haven't had to set any of this up manually in over 5 years so things are probably different now [03:42] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:42] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:42] Nick change: Stx -> Stx_ [03:43] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [03:44] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:44] back, I got to X but still no 3D acceleration [03:45] so it does load the right radeon driver when ati is used? [03:45] probably [03:45] since I got to X [03:46] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5FDE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] pastebin your lsmod [03:46] k, sec [03:47] http://pastebin.com/auVAiXS9 [03:47] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:47] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:48] that via_agp is the onboard GPU my computer has [03:48] should I blacklist that module? [03:48] hmm, probably [03:49] doesn't the catalyst create a fglrx module? [03:49] I have a radeon card, when I do this: lsmod | grep radeon I get [03:49] not for Slackware 13 [03:49] radeon 144928 2 [03:49] drm 137856 3 radeon [03:49] radeon 666332 1 [03:49] ttm 39006 1 radeon [03:49] drm_kms_helper 23529 1 radeon [03:49] Channel flood from tsccof -- kicking [03:49] drm 132223 3 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper [03:49] tsccof kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:50] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:50] that is what I get [03:50] using the opensource driver is probably better anyway, if he can get it to work [03:50] I am using the open source drivers [03:50] I unblacklisted the 'radeonfb' [03:50] hardware acceleration works for me [03:50] tsccof, how do you check if the acceleration works or not? [03:51] zux1wrk, glxgears works, however, in a game, it should be at 50FPS [03:51] hmm [03:51] and it is running at 6FPS [03:51] also, I can not open 3D games [03:51] brb, reboot, blacklisted via_agp, unblacklisted radeonfb [03:52] can you give me exact glxgears command and output? [03:53] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:54] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:54] still not working [03:55] glxgears gives me 9 FPS on fullscreen on my intel built in card [03:56] it gives me 55FPS here [03:56] glxgears on full screen [03:56] hmm, glxgears on fullscreen at my home nvidia card gives aroue 250 FPS [03:56] and that is not a very powerfull card.... [03:57] how do you get the FPS info? [03:57] you run glxgears and wait [03:57] it displays it at the console [03:57] it will be displayed on the terminal [03:57] oh ok [03:57] you can even run it on remote host like i do now on my home pc [03:57] DISPLAY=:0.0 glxgears 0fullscreen [03:57] s/0/- [03:58] got it :) 334 FPS [03:58] alreadygone: full screen? [03:58] nope [03:58] try fullscreen [03:58] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:58] without parameters it gave me [03:58] I get 900FPS if it is not full screen [03:59] ~500 here on the intel [03:59] a 1000 even,.. :) [03:59] does 3D acceleration work? [03:59] ? [04:00] :) aah. I get ~150 on fullscreen [04:01] I have a question, when I installed Slackware 13, I was getting the mode in lilo.conf "vga=771" work fine for me (it is VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256). Recently I installed lilo again, and now I can only get the "vga = normal" to work for me. No ugly penguin logo anymore when booting. [04:02] what does it say if you install with vga=771? [04:03] there is a file in /etc lilo-error.3950 it says: http://www.pastie.org/855229 [04:04] SkyTV (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Quit: Why be difficult when, with a bit of effort, you could be impossible? [04:04] tsccof, looks like there is some good info here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI [04:05] alreadygone, it gives this error and ok, but if you reboot? [04:05] does it give you the tect console or the one with framebuffer [04:05] how do you chagethe login screen (gdm?) [04:05] text console [04:05] with big letters [04:06] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] i know that at my home pc i have never used framebuffer, becouse nvidia has some conflict with it [04:06] Nick change: Stx_ -> Stx [04:06] jrodger, have a look at /etc/rc.d/rc.4 [04:06] do you want to enable gdm login manager? [04:07] because if you do, it should be already enabled if you installed it correctly [04:07] I want to change the image.... [04:07] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:07] jrodger, you don't like Megan Fox anymore? [04:08] who? ha ha ha [04:08] :) just kidding [04:08] my image is too large for the screen [04:08] brb [04:08] jrodger, but are you really using gdm? [04:08] tsccof (martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [04:08] howcan I tell? [04:09] SBo has it [04:09] dngr (~dngr@119.237.152.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:09] gdm login is nothing near close to what kdm login looks like [04:09] jrodger, have you isntalled gnome? [04:09] installed [04:09] if not, you probably have kdm [04:09] if [ -x /usr/bin/gdm ]; then\n exec /usr/bin/gdm -nodaemon [04:10] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:10] and still not working [04:10] bloody hell, lmao [04:10] jrodger, that means that if gdm is there (/usr/bin/gdm) then it is executed [04:10] Morn [04:10] sorry, not sure, what should I be looking for? [04:10] if /usr/bin/gdm is there AND it's executable [ -x ... ] [04:11] ls /usr/bin/gdm [04:11] ls -l /usr/bin/gdm [04:11] morning Zordrak, did you see the Hitler video yesterday? [04:11] and show us the output [04:11] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:11] where did you ever get the idea that you have gdm? [04:11] alreadygone: no [04:11] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] but ive seen several hundred of them [04:11] hm [04:12] mine was about cloud computing [04:12] ls: cannot access /usr/bin/gdm: No such file or directory [04:12] yeah - that video has been making the rounds with a whole bunch of takes on it [04:12] jrodger: ls /usr/sbin/gdm also [04:13] same result [04:13] oh well, I saw it yesterday and it was funny [04:13] (slack only has kdm by default) [04:13] jrodger, that means you don't have gdm [04:13] then you're probably running kdm then [04:13] so you are using kdm [04:13] you are using kde, right? [04:13] but did you want the login manager pic or the lilo boot pic? [04:13] Iguess this means I am using xdm? ls: cannot access /usr/bin/gdm: No such file or directory [04:14] (headbang) [04:14] sorry,didn't pick up the line, one moment [04:14] open console and 'ps ax' - see if xdm or kdm is running [04:14] grazymax (~grazymax@host169-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:14] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 91496 2009-06-05 19:39 /usr/bin/xdm [04:14] kdm had same as gdm [04:14] yeah it's there, but you use kdm... if you don't know and have not made any changes [04:15] kdm is in /opt/kde/binkdm [04:15] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:16] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) joined ##slackware. [04:16] if I "ps ax| grep kdm" --->11081 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep kdm [04:16] that is all I get [04:16] ps ax | grep dm [04:17] 3541 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/xdm -nodaemon [04:17] 3545 tty2 Rs+ 2:21 /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /usr/lib/X11/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-Xl45VO [04:17] 11122 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep dm [04:17] there it is - you're using xdm for your login manager [04:18] tsccof (~martin@200-96-90-208.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:18] and how do I change the log-in (and many thanks for your help btw) [04:18] what are you trying to change? [04:19] the picture/image [04:19] in system tools there should be a login manager for changing login settings [04:20] not sure about xdm since I use kdm [04:20] How can I change the console screen resolution in grub? [04:20] thanks, [04:21] jrodger: i'm looking at how configure xdm [04:21] thanks [04:21] grep image /etc/X11/xdm/* comes up empty :( [04:21] ahh grep root [04:22] man xdm-config ? [04:22] ahh, i'm on too old a slack for that :( [04:23] but I have an rsync of 13 and current [04:23] but yeah, the manpage is helpful :) [04:24] I tried "man xdm-config" and got "No manual entry for xdm-config [04:24] yeah [04:24] are you trying to change the background image? [04:25] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3325 [04:25] Greyhound_ (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting... [04:25] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [04:26] grazymax (~grazymax@host127-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:27] also, http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/XFree-Local-multi-user-HOWTO/automation_login_screen.html [04:28] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [04:28] alisonken1noc: yes the background image at login screen [04:29] the wikipedia page is even helpful (!) [04:29] jrodger: well you now have a couple of links to help with options :) [04:29] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:30] jrodger: what version of slack are you using (if any) ? [04:30] 13.0, thanks guys, will see what I can get [04:30] how do I add certs in /etc/ssl/certs? I mean, which format should they have? should I cat everything into a single file or should I have one file per cert? [04:31] openssl can work with pem formatted single-file multicerts [04:32] Gnosologist (~Gnosologi@unaffiliated/gnosologist) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] ok, and is there a way to export the ones from the mozilla which is installed on my computer all at once? [04:34] Axius: is this of help: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt ? 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[04:44] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [04:44] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:46] delt0r_ (~delt0r@62-47-141-217.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:47] I think I'm never going to manage to connect to irc with ssl >< [04:48] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:48] Camarade_Tux: strange, I was just trying that tonight with no success [04:48] brainvision (~brainvisi@host149-214-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:48] delt0r___ (~delt0r@80-123-54-158.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:48] but also no rights on the machine I connected from :) [04:48] heh ;-) [04:49] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] i wonder if you can just give it a cert in your home dir [04:49] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl10-164-18.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:49] it, being irssi (for me) [04:50] probably [04:50] well, in firefox you can add a cert and unless you're running as root, it can only be saved in $HOME [04:50] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-167-141.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:51] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [04:51] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-52-190.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:52] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:52] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [04:52] none of the /set commands worked for me [04:53] but that's mostly irrelevant :/ [04:53] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:53] it looks like I don't have the good cert installed [04:54] slackandrew (~slackandr@144.75.187.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:54] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] I noticed that the linux timeline missed slamd64 on there, but he has bluewhite64 listed [04:54] well, I'll add certs one by one [04:54] oops - there it is [04:54] Action: Camarade_Tux buygs glasses for alisonken1noc [04:55] Action: Camarade_Tux learns to type [04:55] Action: alisonken1noc already has them, but needs better eyes with them :) [04:55] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-45-26.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:55] I need to run the following command on boot up also periodically during operation. I have assigned ctrl+alt+c run a script consisting of only this command. Well, it dont do shit. Ran in terminal it works fine but hot-keys are no dice. I suspect because it has to be sudoed and I still figured out to make that happen with this unique situation. [04:55] usb_modeswitch -v 0x106c -p 0x3b06 -m 0x05 -M "55534243904ed68a24000000800008ff024445564348470000000000000000" [04:57] StonedSlacker: what's that 'sposed to do ? [04:57] alisonken1noc, how would you solve this? If you absolutely had have it set uo where ctrl+alt+c ran that command as root [04:58] It forces proper detection of a lil usb modem, cricket broadband [04:58] ahh [04:58] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:59] Now that I'v posted the command I'm gonna chat with this computer. I just didnt want to type that long ass command. Besides the fact a netbook is only the size of a grain of rice/ [04:59] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:00] I have been working on this for days. I cannot get the goddamned thing to work [05:01] inittab can do a keybinding for you [05:01] I tried gksudo xterm -e [05:01] The keybinding works [05:02] Its the command, it never asks for root password therefore it never executes\ [05:02] StonedSlacker, put it in a root cron job? [05:02] i've never set such a thing up, but if I were you, i'd look at "man 5 inittab | less -p kbrequest" [05:02] have a script that checks for something to decide whether to continue or not [05:02] and the cron job [05:03] Camarade1Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:03] StonedSlacker, I take it you're using gnome? [05:03] (on his netbook :) ) [05:03] did you try gsudo? [05:03] Camarade1Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:03] or gtksudo? [05:04] rather than gksudo [05:04] or gnomesu [05:04] alisonken1noc: The only thing with that is you never really know when you need to run it. , Sometimes and I repeat sometimes it needs redone after sitting idle and going to sleep wjile other times it does not [05:04] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:04] brainvision (~brainvisi@host159-169-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:05] rwerken (rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [05:05] I'll try those now [05:05] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:05] well, like I suggested, have a cron job script do a check, and if the check fails run the command [05:05] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:06] gnomesu xterm -e , syntax wise is that correcct? [05:06] I didnt know cron would check [05:06] Camarade_Tux: any ssl luck ? [05:06] trhodes: using ssl but I could get it to check the certs [05:07] I gave up, I'll try again later [05:07] I have never ever played with cron, ever [05:07] cron doesn't check, it just runs the command [05:07] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Client Quit [05:07] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:07] you write a script that cron calls [05:07] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:08] StonedSlacker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto [05:08] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) joined ##slackware. [05:09] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:09] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:10] for an example, look at root cron for logrotate [05:11] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Client Quit [05:11] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] What is the standard screen resolution when lilo is install? [05:12] Axius: Might you be asking about framebuffer resolutions ? [05:12] 80x24... :-) [05:12] text or whatever the lilo mode setting is changed to in lilo.conf [05:14] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:14] 'fun fact: "lilo" is an anagram of "i lol" [05:14] heh [05:14] lol [05:14] :D [05:15] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::aaaa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:15] What resolution should I chose then? [05:16] 1x1 [05:16] start with 1024x768 and work from there back to text mode [05:16] alisonken1noc: 1024x768 the text is to small. [05:17] setconsolefont or so ? [05:18] /usr/bin/setconsolefont [05:18] 7 [05:19] Axius: then 800x600 or 640x480 [05:20] remember it's a framebuffer console, not a std text console [05:21] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [05:22] greetings [05:22] program [05:22] I cant keep my eyes open. Peace out fellas, alison, thanks for trying to help. [05:22] that is the geeky answer... normal people say hi ;) [05:22] np [05:22] :) [05:22] it's the TRON answer [05:22] StonedSlacker: take it easy [05:23] yeyyyyy [05:23] Im so tired that's the only way I can take it lol [05:23] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:23] StonedSlacker (~mudd@clt-69-171-167-98.evdo.leapwireless.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [05:23] alisonken1noc: thank you. [05:24] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.49.182) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:25] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:26] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [05:27] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Axis: np [05:29] sberthelot (~sberthelo@2002:52ea:963c:1::11) joined ##slackware. [05:29] hello everyone [05:30] i have a problem with emacs-22.3-i486-2.txz, it's still looking for libungif.so.4 and cannot start ... [05:30] commiserations [05:30] I don't install emacs myself [05:31] sberthelot: you could keep the older lib and/or recompile it [05:31] ok i use no-x version for now, but will it be fixed ? ;) [05:31] err, how could one compile emacs? :-) [05:31] sberthelot: report it? [05:31] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Camarade_Tux: that's what I want to do, where can I do it ? :) [05:32] hmmm what to do on a [05:32] i thought emacs was in the default pkg...wasnt it? [05:33] hmmm what to do on a lazy friday... [05:33] slack away ;) [05:33] pull out the old tull collection? [05:33] screw tull [05:33] while recompiling slackware from slackbuidls [05:33] I take it your not into classic rock? [05:33] libungif should have been replaced with giflib from what i've seen [05:33] your quest for a new package needs *you* to find the good email address :-) [05:33] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) joined ##slackware. [05:33] i am very much into classic rock.. but tull are hugely overrated [05:34] I just like the way anderson sings and plays the flute [05:34] my sister is one of thoir biggest fans... and im sick of them [05:34] I've got a decent cd collection from years back [05:34] with the exception of the use of the chain for BBC F1 coverage :) [05:34] hmm - think I missed that one [05:36] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:36] Dragonforce, Ozzy Osbourne (post sabbath), Black Sabbath (post ozzy, w/ RJD), Van Halen, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Styx, ASHES dIVIDE, Avenged Sevenfold, Nightwish, RATM, Turisas etc etc [05:36] ah [05:37] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:37] bbc version of woodstock? [05:37] huh?! [05:38] the BBC F1 reference was that BBC do Formula One coverage and The Chain is the theme tune [05:38] ah [05:38] that list is my preference instead of tull [05:38] well, my ex had a thing for steve perry [05:39] steve? thats a mans name.. so it must be a girl right? [05:39] [05:39] hah [05:39] journey - steve perry lead singer [05:39] right.. journeys pretty cool [05:39] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:39] jefferson airplane too [05:40] I remember jefferson starship - missed airplaine [05:40] airplane [05:40] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.95.47) joined ##slackware. [05:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:51] "reasonable" beta :) [05:52] nah, it's a the local drive in a laptop [05:52] just need somewhere to stick files so that the windows install can take part in the fun as well [05:52] alrighty, think i'll give it a go then :> [05:53] cyptrix (~cyptrix@120.147.60.10) left irc: Client Quit [05:54] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.95.47) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:55] Action: Delahunt hasn't had issues with ntfs-3g [05:55] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [05:57] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:57] matt0 (matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware. [05:57] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) joined ##slackware. [05:57] ntfs-3g is slow [05:58] and cpu hungry [05:58] on the other hand, this problem mostly arise when dealing with many files and/or big files for which vfat may not be a perfect fit either [05:58] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:59] damn, a problem with cups too [06:00] there's a blacklist for module usblp needed by cups 1.4+ missing [06:00] <_slax0r_> Hi, I'm having a little problem with my graphics...I've installed wine and tried running LFS on it, but it's so slugish that you can't do anything, the graphics card is ATI x600, which is more then enough to run this game, but could this be the problem with those damn drivers for ATI graphics cards? [06:01] _slax0r_: Linux From Scratch? [06:02] <_slax0r_> Erm...no...Slackware, this is the Slackware channel right? [06:02] <_slax0r_> LFS is a game, Live for Speed [06:02] _slax0r_: Oh, sorry. [06:02] _slax0r_, the problem is we usually get a lot of non-slackware questions here as well :) [06:03] _slax0r_: Wine is still in development, not quite stable. [06:03] <_slax0r_> it's not a slackers fault for knowing the way around linux in general :P [06:03] <_slax0r_> yeah, well, the game is ratted platinum on wine appDB [06:03] <_slax0r_> so I guess it'd have to run smoothly more or less [06:07] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:11] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:12] brainvision (~brainvisi@host159-169-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) joined ##slackware. [06:15] alisonken1noc, "problem"? 8-) [06:16] trying to be nice [06:16] Axius (~fd@92.82.95.47) left irc: Client Quit [06:19] away I'll be back in a while! [06:20] well it's worth noting that people turn to us when no one else can help 8-) [06:20] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:20] It's true I can tell you. [06:20] about the nouveau api breakage: http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/3/4/299 [06:22] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] people are nice here :) have a lot of patience [06:26] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.49.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:26] Action: Delahunt hopes so [06:27] usually - when someone really wants some help rather than handholding from the beginning :) [06:27] ok guys, going to compile this 2.6.34-rc0 kernel with nouveau support and see if it works :P [06:27] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:27] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:31] Acquiesce (~sfdthj@212.183.140.50) joined ##slackware. [06:31] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [06:32] http://pastebin.com/RU3YPfqD [06:32] it kraps itself with this kernel and with the stock kernel (generic smp; 2.6.33; slackware-current) [06:33] :) [06:34] 33 seems to be breaking a lot of stuff [06:34] new kernel has some issues, that's for sure [06:34] Delahunt: recompiled it yourself? [06:34] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:34] Camarade_Tux, hold on i've got the same call trace from the stock kernel [06:34] drbd is part of the kernel now... but the latest release wont build an external module against .33.. it needs a fix from git thats not released yet [06:34] when i'm going to switch linux hdd in, i'll probably roll down to previous -current kernel [06:35] Camarade_Tux, ok i posted the stock kernel calltrace as an amendment [06:35] latest -current and 2.6.33 are causing some headaches but as far as I can see it's improving quite rapidly [06:36] Camarade_Tux: well, good luck.... this far it's the worst slackware update in my life [06:36] er correction [06:36] hmmm - noobfarm is having issues when I click on a specific quite [06:36] quote [06:37] ok - on more than just a quote [06:37] yes, you're switching on and off again... depends on if you use keyboard, alisonken1noc [06:37] :D [06:37] agris: I upgraded on computer to -current without problem (that was after the gomp, png and others fixes) and I'm going to upgrade this computer to get the latest X and nouveau, afaict the major problems remaining are graphics-related (and I'm everything but surprised) [06:38] Camarade_Tux: ok, it's working. at least, my laptop does, but still I use nv instead of nvidia driver [06:38] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::aaaa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:39] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.52) joined ##slackware. [06:39] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:39] anyway, that's why it's -current ;) [06:41] alienBOB, rworkman does patrick prefer crash reports in text files as attachments to emails, or all "inline"? [06:41] Action: Delahunt notes that this email is getting rather long [06:42] agris: I hate nv too much :-) [06:42] Action: Delahunt continues munching on his half a pound of colby jack [06:42] I'd say lkml.org [06:43] Delahunt: using ext4 and quota? [06:43] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1881 channel thoughs on knetworkmanager, I take it [06:43] Camarade_Tux, not using quota, but it has support for quota (this is how generic-smp 2.6.33 on -current is) [06:43] I which series can I find lilo bootloader? [06:43] Axius, probably a [06:44] ok [06:44] (since a contains stuff you need to boot the minimum system) [06:44] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Delahunt: yeah, forget that, it was another bug [06:44] and I think it's fixed now [06:44] ah thanks [06:45] Action: Delahunt didn't google only because he was eating at the same time [06:45] yeah, is there. [06:45] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:45] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:48] Delahunt: didn't google either: kerneloops.org [06:48] the site is terribly slow however [06:50] ah [06:50] well i was just making sure you didn't think i was being lazy for the heck of it 8-) [06:50] Action: Delahunt stabs fuse module in the eye [06:50] ;-) [06:51] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [06:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [06:56] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:57] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [06:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Action: Zordrak has yet to use fuse [07:01] maestrolinux (~eduardo@unaffiliated/maestrolinux) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Zordrak, ever use ntfs-3g? ssshfs? [07:01] s/ssshfs/sshfs/ [07:02] goarilla_ (~goarilla@233.179-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [07:02] hola..! tengo algun comando parecido a yaourt de archlinux para slackware [07:02] hola ..! I have some command like in archlinux yaourt for slackware [07:03] ntfs-3g but no sshfs.. i should restate.. never knowingfly used fuse [07:03] maestrolinux: ##slackware-es [07:03] algun comando que busque en slackbuilds baje el paquete y lo compile automaticamente [07:03] any command that searches the slackbuilds download the package and automatically compile [07:03] maestrolinux: http://sbopkg.org [07:04] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:04] woow!!! tks [07:04] maestrolinux: also http://www.google.com [07:05] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:06] goarilla (~goarilla@216.188-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-34-8.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:09] monstro (1000@201-26-12-103.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:10] how to download all files in pdf of one site with wget ? [07:11] are all of the pdf's in one directory? [07:13] yes [07:14] alisonken1home, ? [07:14] alisonken1noc: whats the site? ( im trying to create a library) [07:15] man wget - look at the -r and -l options [07:15] How can I see what window decorator I'm using? [07:15] www.slackwarezine.com.br [07:16] Azeotrope: window decorator is really a concept specific to the compiz window manager. Are you using compiz? [07:16] Azeotrope: what wm are you using [07:18] adamk: i don't have compiz yet, i want to install it. Or KDE 4. Or anything that runs nice on slack [07:18] zux1wrk (~zux@87.226.56.242) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Azeotrope: So then what are you trying to find out now? You're presumably using some window manager. Do you know which one? [07:19] monstro (1000@201-26-12-103.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:19] Or is that what you are trying to find out? [07:20] adamk: that's what i want to find out. which one and how to decorate my windows [07:21] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:21] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] UNless you did something odd, 'xwmconfig' should show you what the default window manager or desktop environment is on your system. [07:22] Does anyone knows a program to make audio cd from console? [07:23] cdrecord with proper cli options [07:23] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Axius: cdda2wav to create the wav files, and then cdrecord. [07:23] not really sure but check cdparanoia ;) or cdrecord [07:24] adamk: so i have the default kde version that comes with slackware. [07:24] anyone uses kde4? [07:24] 4.3 on -current as of 2 weeks ago [07:24] Azeotrope: The default KDE version in Slackware 13 *is* KDE4 [07:24] adamk: thanks. [07:25] Axius: ACtually, cdda2wav may not be what you want.. It rips CDs to wav files, which is only good if you're trying to duplicate an audio CD you already have. [07:25] But, yeah, cdrecord can be used to create audio CDs from wav files. [07:26] adamk: I have mp3 files. [07:26] Axius: Then you need to convert them to wav files first to create an actual audio CD. [07:27] You can use mplayer to dump the mp3's to wav format. sox might do it, too. [07:27] most of the players play mp3 nowadays... hardly any need to make them other formats [07:28] Meh. He wanted an audio CD. audio CDs use wav :-) If he knows that the CD player he wants to use can play mp3s, he can do it that way :-) [07:30] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:31] adamk: thank for your help. [07:32] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [07:32] Axius, grip [07:33] grip requires X. [07:33] Running from a console seemed to be a requirement. 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[07:52] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.222.174) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:52] how can i change the video modes at boot-up? i get a message "press enter or space or wait 30 secs" and i want to get rid of it [07:52] vi /etc/lilo.conf and set mode per the examples, then run lilo as root before reboot [07:52] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:53] pupiteee (~p@212.200.202.80) joined ##slackware. [07:54] alisonken1noc: i have this uncommented [07:54] # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k [07:54] vga=790 [07:54] hi to all [07:54] try one with lower bits (the 32k part) [07:54] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:55] try the x256 and see if that's ok [07:55] vga=773 [07:55] alisonken1noc: i just have to uncomment it? [07:56] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) got lost in the net-split. [07:56] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) got lost in the net-split. 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[07:56] running lilo [07:57] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:57] what warnings? keep in mind slackboy may kick you with 3+ lines posted too soon [07:58] <_slax0r_> is it a bot? [07:58] yes [07:58] <_slax0r_> rename it to slackgirl, it'll be nicer o.O [07:58] don't think so :) [07:58] i've upgraded to 2.6.33 kernel and upgraded hal. inserting flash sticks and cds dont show up after upgrade, any clues? hal is enabled in /etc/rc.d [07:58] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:59] alisonken1noc: ok, thanks. and how do i change the picture of that tasmanian devil? [07:59] don't know - haven't upgraded to this weeks -current yet [07:59] what kernel are you running? taz was only supposed to be on the kernel used by slackware 12.2 [08:00] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Quit: brb [08:00] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. 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[08:00] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:00] Azeotrope: its a dualcore [08:01] Azeotrope, each taz indicates how many cores/cpu's are detected by the kernel [08:01] in framebuffer mode [08:01] cool [08:01] there's one guy here with 8 showing [08:01] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:02] Azeotrope: if you have none of them, consider buying cpu for pc :p [08:03] why would someone need so much cpu power? except 3d graphics and servers [08:03] geekpoints [08:05] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:05] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:05] make -jZOMG [08:05] how can you do selection screenshots in kde? [08:05] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:06] selection screenshots? [08:06] Azeotrope: ksnapshot [08:06] pprkut: or... 'make -j', a.k.a. forkbomb ;-) [08:06] :D [08:06] hmm..compiz had this as a built in [08:06] file a bugreport [08:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:13] asarch (~asarch@189.188.147.63) joined ##slackware. [08:16] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-57-23.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:17] i thought there was a 64-bit skype? can't find one now. [08:18] dont bother, there isnt [08:18] Heh. [08:18] the 64-bit skype package is a 32-bit binary in a 64-bit package hoping you have 32-bit compatibility libs installed [08:18] Yeahy, but it's statically linked against more libraries, supposedly to make it easier to use on 64-bit systems :-) [08:18] it's "coming soon" (tm) [08:19] in my testing, it still requires 32-bit compat libraries installed [08:19] Yes, just fewer libraries than the normal 32-bit version requires :-) [08:19] jspider1010 (~spider101@81.sub-97-185-158.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] k, thanks. [08:19] will do without skype. don't care. [08:20] alisonken1noc: speaking of that, how do i check that i have the 32bit compat libs? [08:20] Azeotrope: The 32-bit libs get installed to /usr/lib/ [08:20] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:20] ls /var/log/packages/*-compat* [08:20] Azeotrope: THough I would imagine you would know if you installed them. [08:21] mtkoan (~mtkoan@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Nick change: Stx_ -> Stx [08:23] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.52) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:25] Nick change: ThomasLocke_ -> ThomasLocke [08:25] Hello :) [08:25] mtkoan (~mtkoan@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:25] asarch (~asarch@189.188.147.63) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:34] Axius (~hi@92.82.70.69) joined ##slackware. [08:35] how to change connsole fonts? i've skiped that installer option accidentaly [08:37] pupitee: pkgtool - then select the install script to run again [08:37] allend: thanks [08:37] you can define a font in /etc/rc.d/rc.font.new and move it over to rc.font [08:38] nvision (~nvision@dslb-088-071-062-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] or use setconsolefont [08:39] admboom: yes thats what i was looking for :) sahk0 thank you too :) [08:39] Hello ! [08:39] HEEELOO :D [08:39] Soul_keeper: !!! wow you are here....;) [08:40] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:41] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:41] mayday-jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:41] farhat (~farhat@41.99.67.65) joined ##slackware. [08:41] hi [08:41] anyone ever seen a kernel panic completely freeze a system? even with sysrq not working anymore? [08:42] is there cheat sheet for slackware linux ? [08:42] pprkut: no, usualy sysrq helped [08:42] it was really in panic [08:42] pprkut, any idea of what scared it that much? memory issues perhaps [08:42] I've had my machine lockup like that before. [08:43] guax: firefox :D [08:43] Just recently, in fact, when I updated to 2.6.33 and tried to play ut2004. [08:43] Nothing got dumped to the serial console either, the console was unresponsive, and I had to use the power button. [08:43] ok, it's 2.6.33 as well. [08:43] pprkut: sounds like a hardware issue. graphics card are good for that. [08:43] pprkut, checked your memory for defects? [08:43] not my machine :) [08:43] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:44] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [08:44] indeed. my video card just hosed up the entire system. [08:44] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:44] it's a friends notebook. There's a perpetual print of kernel messages on the framebuffer [08:44] after restoring a specific session in firefox [08:45] frambuffers are so 2009 [08:45] gotta go.. have a nice weekend guys...if i dont see you ;) thanks for the wonderful company ;) [08:45] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [08:45] thrice`: screw you! :P [08:46] first i was enchanted, then i realize thats what croupiers usually says after taking your money [08:46] Axius (~hi@92.82.70.69) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:46] is there thing like this : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora_Cheat_Cube_Users.png for slackware :( [08:46] farhat: no [08:47] hmm, thank god for decent warranty. this video problem will actually get a mobo+lcd replacement [08:47] that cube is 80% slackware compactible [08:47] farhat: most of it applies [08:48] ananke, what did you break this time? :) [08:48] do a little inkscape/gimp magic on it [08:48] nvision (~nvision@dslb-088-071-062-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:48] nachox: video card gave up on my laptop [08:49] diven, yes :) [08:49] are you sure it dont gave up on you? [08:49] ananke, ouch, you're done for, you'll need to replace the whole damn thing [08:49] known issue on that model. overheats, and eventually gives up. [08:49] sometimes i think my computers is planing that =/ [08:49] ananke: which model? [08:49] nachox: like i said, they're replacing motherboard and lcd [just to be sure]. just got off the chat with dell [08:49] Action: Zordrak has just spent 2 hours fighting with centos [08:49] sahk0: dell xps m1330 [08:49] i had that too a year ago with a t61 [08:50] display died at some point [08:50] Agent (ALGx_Frank Andrew_203793): "But as of this time ill be replacing the Motherboard and LCD display of the M1330". yay [08:50] the root cause of the problem? red hat puts "Defaults requiretty" in the sudoers file.. and sudos error when you hit it is a completely unrelated "sudo: must be setuid root" [08:50] AAARRRGGGHH [08:51] whats that requiretty? only console logins? [08:51] ananke, the keyboard of my dell laptop stopped working properly. the s key does not work unless i hit it really hard and even then not always. I was shopping around for a replacement. And they want to charge me 160 dollars for it! [08:51] this dell laptop had a well known issue where the video card would overheat. they've tried to help by issuing bios firmware update, which would have the fan at slightly higher rpm, but under heavy use that wouldn't last long [08:51] sahk0: yeh.. no tty login, no sudo [08:51] so you cant for example do "ssh root@foo sudo bar" [08:51] nachox: ouch. which model? [08:52] dell 640m [08:52] inspiron [08:52] i think the us version of that laptop has a different model name though [08:53] i bought my vaio laptop for 600 dollars. so i do not intend to pay that much for a keyboard [08:53] hmm, looks like xps m1220 [08:53] just bigger [08:54] unfortunately, i don't know if they sell keyboards in the parts store. [08:55] ananke, http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/superview/sv_inspn_640m_display.jpg [08:55] yeah, that's what i was just looking at [08:56] if i didnt have strace my life would be 300x harder [08:56] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:58] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.170) joined ##slackware. [09:03] if I specify, within make menuconfig, that my processor family is either "Generic x86-64" or "AMD Sempron/Opteron/Athlon64/K8," shouldn't my compiled kernel be in arch/x86_64/, rather than arch/x86/? [09:03] not necessarily [09:03] have to look at the makefile and see what it does [09:04] This came up the other day - the kernel in x86 is linked to x86_64 iirc [09:04] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.210.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:04] or maybe the entire dir is [09:04] farhat (~farhat@41.99.67.65) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:05] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:08] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:10] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:11] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [09:13] memfail.. whats the joobry introduced into the kernel to try to autoconfigure it for the running system? [09:16] ahhhhhh.. localmodconfig and localyesconfig [09:18] bah [09:18] someone asked me about them .. responding with a `dont bother` [09:18] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:22] it depends [09:23] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) joined ##slackware. [09:23] run "make help", there's lots of options [09:23] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:25] i just couldnt remember what those two options were... friday afternoon fail [09:25] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:26] do i need to upgrade gcc and glibc with kernel upgrade? [09:26] you dont have to [09:26] not if the only thing you are upgrading is the kernel [09:26] Zordrak: even if im going to compile things? [09:26] after upgrade [09:27] IFFF you are ONLY upgrading the kernel then its irrelevant [09:27] thanks Zordrak [09:28] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. 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[09:36] and /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo are missing [09:37] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [09:37] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Zordrak: 196? I can't see it on their ftp [09:38] pprkut: they pulled it [09:38] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:38] xXfiareraXx: why would there be a .mo file to translate english into english? [09:39] why would there be an error message that i never saw before [09:40] you havent told us whats generating the errorl [09:40] Zordrak: hmm. I don't see an announcement on nvnews either. I really doubt it was meant to be released, *if* it was there as some point [09:40] locale [09:40] or make on the kernel, or anything that runs perl [09:40] I think I saw something about a new driver today but didn't really pay attention [09:41] nouveau \o/ [09:41] pprkut: 6th article on slashdot [09:41] if you type "locale" does it spit out errors/warnings? [09:42] nope [09:42] so then you have an english to english translation file for libc [09:42] DUH [09:43] no. [09:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-87.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] i dont. [09:44] that dir contains only "compiz.mo" and "libxine1.mo" [09:44] Zordrak: that's the WINDOWS driver :P [09:44] who cares about that.... [09:44] pprkut: anyone who plays games likely to thrash a card :) [09:44] s0du (~sod@host81-141-48-87.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] xXfiareraXx: look at yours [09:45] hmm, i guess i have to reinstall? [09:45] xXfiareraXx: look at the other language directories [09:45] they have translations for everything FROM en_US [09:45] ok well im still getting file not found errors [09:45] the en_US dir doesnt because you dont need to transalte from en_US to en_US [09:46] having crond print a message for every hourly event is quite annoying actually [09:46] bash-3.1$ locale locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory [09:46] xXfiareraXx: and what have you done in order to break it? what did you change? [09:47] whatever was in -current broke it [09:47] O_o [09:47] bash-3.1$ perl perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: [09:47] LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LC_COLLATE = "C", LANG = "en_US" are supported and installed on your system. [09:47] perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). [09:48] how do i set them [09:48] you're not on -current [09:48] Zordrak: yeah...and who does that? :P [09:48] not anymore [09:48] did you install glibc on your own? [09:48] how do you ste locale [09:49] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:49] s0du (~sod@host81-141-48-87.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:49] do i make a symlink somewhere? [09:49] did you install your own glibc? [09:50] no [09:50] can you pastebin "ls /var/log/packages/glibc*" please? [09:51] all 2.9-3 [09:51] MOVNTDQA (1000@static-71-244-42-15.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] funny, not what I was interested in [09:51] xXfiareraXx: thats not -current [09:51] yeah its not [09:51] downgraded [09:51] xXfiareraXx: Upgrade.txt suggest installing glibc-solibs as one of the first packages before performing a major upgrade [09:51] 14:46:50 < xXfiareraXx> whatever was in -current broke it [09:52] slackpkg did it all [09:52] >.< [09:52] please, pastebin ls /var/log/packages/glibc* [09:52] i just need to set the locale [09:52] i dont use pastebin [09:52] fine, good luck dumbass [09:52] wtf?! [09:52] >> [09:52] THEY ARE ALL 2.9-3 [09:52] pastie.net [09:52] how bout ctrl + v .net [09:52] I DON'T FUCKING CARE, I WANT TO SEE IF YOU INSTALLED LOCALES [09:53] xXfiareraXx: You're done buddy. Bye now. [09:53] glibc-profile-2.9-i486-3 glib2-2.18.4-i486-1 glibc-solibs-2.9-i486-3 glibc-2.9-i486-3 glibc-zoneinfo-2.9-noarch-3 [09:53] clearly all caps helps ;) [09:53] anyway, good luck [09:53] lazy people [09:53] I ducked. [09:53] like i said, i dont need pastebin for that [09:53] all 2.9-x [09:53] all 2.9-3 [09:53] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:54] which package has the locales, zoneinfo? [09:54] Action: Zordrak points at the door.. [09:55] zoneinfo is wrong, it says there is a "timeconfig" utility [09:55] but there isnt [09:55] xXfareraXx: you can find them here: http://tinyurl.com/2j6bh [09:55] i already used pkgtool/setup to set my timezone again, but it didnt help [09:56] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:56] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:56] what does your timzezone have to do with it? [09:56] Fatalnix: whats that? [09:56] your locales [09:56] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Fatalnix: i dont click tinyurl [09:56] you don't have "glibc-i18n" ? [09:56] thrice`: i guess not....how could that happen [09:57] retarded administration [09:57] slackpkg is buggy, yes [09:57] xXfiareraXx: Well since you are an utter moron and too full of testosterone to actually listen... i can think of a hundred different ways it could happen. [09:57] the link is over 200 characters lon [09:57] so I cant paste it directly on behalf of preventing spam [09:57] dorkkrak: ok [09:58] what's that dang website again for making smaller links [09:58] tinyurl.com [09:58] I just used it [09:58] Fatalnix, ^ [09:58] delahunt read up :)\ [09:58] thrice`: is there anything that needs to be done after installing i18n, because i get same error [09:58] ah [09:58] xXfiareraXx: yes. Step 1: leave. [09:59] slackware's glibc package COMES with pre-generated locales - you don't need to generate them yourself [09:59] logout, login at least? [09:59] xXfiareraXx: well anywyas, if you want your locale packages, you will find them at that tinyurl, if you dont want them, then its your loss [09:59] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: inti 3 [09:59] Fatalnix: i said i dont use tinyurl [09:59] then you get no locale packages [09:59] holy shit [09:59] i already installed it [09:59] ah ok [09:59] :) [10:00] glibc-2.9-i486-3 glibc-solibs-2.9-i486-3 glibc-i18n-2.9-i486-3 glibc-zoneinfo-2.9-noarch-3 glibc-profile-2.9-i486-3 [10:00] xXfiareraXx, and really, calling slackpkg buggy is dumb. I suggest changing your attitude if you want help [10:00] please dont paste in here [10:00] use pastebin [10:00] xXfiareraXx, which locales do you want / need - en_US ? [10:00] thrice`: well it was being buggy, it installed things that i told it not to....thats what caused this whole mess [10:01] this is where you're wrong - slackpkg does only what you tell it to [10:01] Yeah, sure it did. [10:01] thrice`: yeah just the default locale [10:01] xXfiareraXx: slackpkg is not buggy and does not install what you tell it not to. [10:01] well it did, i told it to upgrade to -current but not upgrade certain things and it did it anyway [10:01] keep in mind this is Slackware [10:01] like kde4 and qt it installed [10:02] 99.99999 % of problems is all you [10:02] thrice`: i only need default locale [10:02] xXfiareraXx, kde4 is in slackware 13 too [10:02] dont want this error message everytime perl runs [10:02] eww [10:02] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) got netsplit. [10:02] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) got netsplit. [10:02] grazymax (~grazymax@host127-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit. [10:02] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) got netsplit. [10:02] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) got netsplit. [10:02] Fleurety (~fleurety@93.186.164.51) got netsplit. [10:02] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) got netsplit. 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[10:02] xXfiareraXx, "localedef -i en_US ISO-88591- en_US [10:02] guys, it happend to me yesterday too as xXfiareraXx says and i thought i did something wrong [10:03] oops [10:03] xXfiareraXx, "localedef -i en_US ISO-88591-1 en_US [10:03] thrice`: thanks should i put that in /etc/profile or anything [10:03] xXfiareraXx, "localedef -i en_US ISO-8859-1 en_US.ISO-8859-1 [10:04] xXfiareraXx, "localedef -i en_US UTF-8 en_US.uft8 [10:04] run those 3 [10:04] hmmm [10:04] tells me to read the usage hehe [10:05] skip the first one, I had a typo [10:05] the last 3 of the 4 (which I would have loved to put into a pastebin) [10:05] although reading the usage is a good idea [10:05] crap, hold on [10:05] anyway, none of them work [10:06] adamk (user@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [10:06] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/IJx9aW78.html [10:06] those 3 commands [10:06] pupiteee: slackpkg did the same thing to you yesteray? 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[10:08] god damn that was long [10:08] xXfiareraXx, use those 3 in the pastebin, as root [10:08] i had a bunch of issues with it...first time i ran it, it went all night and had a bunch of new-config stuff but i figured out later that it had only installed half the packages [10:08] the channel logs server is down [10:08] Fatalnix: i was in a speed, but im sure i did not select x [10:08] i has lost time! [10:08] media bad? [10:08] thrice`: i just did, they all ran properly, but i still get the error? do i need to logout/backin? [10:09] Fatalnix: its aBIG list of x [10:09] :) [10:09] I was commenting on the Grammar lol [10:09] Fatalnix: go troll somewhere else [10:09] Fatalnix: haha, no mama here [10:10] xXfiareraXx: i see only one troll. It's not Fatalnix [10:10] zordrak: you too [10:10] ok ok calm down.. [10:10] personally i think thrice` is a saint for still wanting to help you. [10:10] We are normals here. [10:11] jspider1010 (~spider101@81.sub-97-185-158.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [10:11] Zordrak: why are you here? [10:12] he's alyways here. [10:12] because im a dedicated sysadmin managing a corporate network of slackware servers amongst other things and while i like to be around others of a similar vein i also like to help people who need help and seek it in an intelligent and polite manner. [10:12] why are YOU here? [10:12] because im a dedicated sysadmin managing a corporate network of slackware servers amongst other things and while i like to be around others of a similar vein i also like to help people who need help and seek it in an intelligent and polite manner. [10:13] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:13] um. yeah. [10:13] thrice`: so the commands ran but there was no change...logged out and back in, still says errors when running "perl" or "locale" [10:13] fun stuff [10:14] ananke: heh [10:14] xXfiareraXx, then something else is severely wrong with your system [10:14] xXfiareraXx: try `init 0` - that seemed to work for me [10:15] chipster: while he deservers it.. bob has put out strict warnings about doing that. i advise against repeating it. [10:15] -bash: init: command not found [10:15] sorry I was submitting some stuff to nfarm [10:15] heh [10:15] xXfiareraXx: nm [10:15] you guys are supercool [10:16] nah. to achieve the 'super' cool level you must surround your nick with extra cool characters, such as 'xX' [10:16] heh [10:16] *cry* lol [10:17] lol [10:17] i knew it [10:17] i think we all thought that at the same time [10:17] now, for the ubercool rank you have to camelcase it [10:17] xXfiareraXx, you did a 13 -> current -> 13 upgrade, and from your feedback, did both of them improperly as is (masking some packages, and missing others). how the hell is one supposed to diagnose that? [10:17] i just wanted to be around people of the same vein [10:17] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422650.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [10:17] way to be original [10:17] thrice`: not sure, it was actually 12.2->13->current->13 lol [10:17] Action: chipster heads out to a client [10:17] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422650.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:18] guess i need to reinstall [10:18] good practice [10:18] or re-upgrade to -current [10:18] and hope it fixes itself [10:18] or try re-upping to -current but follow the guide this time? [10:18] xXfiareraXx well, theres one thing you have to take into consideration, DO use pastebin. you dont have to accept a tinyurl.. that went to google, but DO use pastebin, even if its only 3 lines long. One of us might see something that may look normal to you. [10:19] xXfiareraXx: are you sure you didn't accidently un-comment 64bit -current in your slackpkg mirrors? [10:19] For example, just because something doesnt say error doesnt mean that normal looking output is good [10:19] mrselfpwn: lol, yeah....that would be worse im sure [10:19] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] its my fault for assuming slackpkg can upgrade to -current [10:20] if it couldn't, I'd be really annoyed I just spent 80 minutes upgrading [10:20] i didnt really expect 13->current to be a full on upgrade.txt job...........blorg [10:20] seriously, get out if you're going to make retarded statements like that. of course slackpgk works fine [10:20] Moreso, for not RTFM [10:21] xXfiareraXx: It can, its quite harder from 12.x to 13.x, but it can, with modifications. you wouldnt want to though. [10:21] its not reccommended, and -current isnt the newest version either. -current is just a collection of tests. [10:21] im not a retard [10:21] its like a toolbox for working on sw [10:21] orly? [10:21] im just black [10:22] why? [10:22] lol [10:22] race doesntdetermine smarts or anything [10:22] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] hitest: duck and covelr [10:23] *cover [10:23] yeah, look at Camarade_Tux, he's French. [10:23] :) [10:23] ? [10:23] hmmm, actually you look white on black on my terminal >< [10:23] mrselfpwn: die :P [10:23] ill just have to reinstall 12.2 [10:23] ^^ ;P [10:23] hiya Zordrak, Camarade_Tux [10:24] TGIF!!!! [10:24] i think i had 12.2 upgraded to 13.0 minus kde, and it was fine [10:24] hitest: aye. im heading out.. douchebag friday afternoon trolls giving me a headache [10:24] just dont try to go to -current from there with slackpkg :p [10:24] got to go earn £40 for upgrading someone's RAM and plugging their scanner in hehe [10:24] heh-heh:) [10:25] 40 euro? wow [10:25] restart and install of nouveau :-) [10:25] GBP [10:25] ah [10:25] ok [10:25] geeksquad employee? [10:25] thats like 80 buclks [10:25] even more;-) [10:25] erll [10:25] 70 [10:25] nope 60 [10:25] Zordrak is a sysadmin [10:25] I used google [10:26] its a friends dad.. he has an XP Pro machine running on 240MB or ddr2700 [10:26] and running norton internet security on top [10:26] so it seems that USD is about 75% worth to GBP appproximately now [10:26] and then all the BT-Fahoo ADSL crap [10:26] poor machine ;-) [10:26] that would be slower than hell:) [10:26] I think I did that math right, did I? [10:26] in an hour it will have 2GB DDR3200 and Avast antivirus [10:27] and ill be £40 better off :) [10:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [10:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:28] so .. yeah, 15:30 seems like a good time to duck out of work early :) ttfn [10:28] I have a 0 gb dance dance revolution 0000 [10:28] <- bored in Telecommunications class [10:28] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: see ya! [10:28] Zordrak: to be honest, you're everything but ripping your dad's friend considering the upgrade [10:29] Camarade_Tux: :D I saw your noobfarm yesterday about rm and mv XD [10:29] Action: hitest will bbiab..breakfast [10:29] Camarade_Tux: its two call outs.. spent two hours there the other night.. every thing i did took forever cause im waiting for IE6 to write to the page file etc [10:29] plus driving there etc [10:30] if he's happy to pay it.. im happy to take it [10:30] and whats that have to do with slackware? [10:30] I think he'll be more than happy [10:30] nothing, why? [10:31] its another one of these poor old guys whos had "someone" look at it before and basically spent money on idiots dragging their knuckles on the ground [10:31] he seems very happy to have such a quick solution to make everything betterc [10:31] and saved him the money he was thinking of spending on replacing it cause he couldnt get it sorted out [10:32] plus.. we're single-income so I'm poor :) [10:32] would he notice if his browser began running in KDE4? [10:32] heh. [10:32] so long as i changed the desktop background back to XPs green hill.... [10:33] just switch the menu pic and tell him its vista [10:33] hanyways.. im off. l8r [10:33] tell him it's a customized windows 7 [10:33] ;) [10:33] new icons in this version [10:33] no need to say it's customized ;-) [10:34] kde4 is more like vista [10:34] zdnet australia took a laptop with kde4 in the streets and told people it was windows7, almost everybody believed it [10:34] vista is more like windows 1.0 [10:34] isnt it? [10:34] yeah, gotta tell him it's customized, that way, when he see's someone elses windows 7, he will know his is different b/c it's customized [10:34] you must agree. [10:34] good, stable release of libdrm with the nouveau interface change =) [10:34] people dont know the difference between a browser and a search engine [10:35] what? [10:35] Action: mag0o tried nouveau the other day with an mx400 [10:35] xXfiareraXx: impossible [10:35] its true, apple or google went around asking people on the street [10:35] xXfiareraXx: a search engine is not a web browser obviously [10:35] would have kept it had it had support for s-video/rca out [10:35] they say, what web browser do you use, and they all say yahoo or google [10:35] ... I am sickened by- nvm test [10:36] xXfiareraXx: people don't go to facebook.com or hotmail.com : they type it and then click on the first google link [10:36] but they know which browser they use usually [10:36] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:36] yeah....people that use google hotmail and facebook are morons [10:37] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [10:37] the new AOLers [10:37] Action: mag0o is a moron for his unending use of google [10:38] me to [10:38] sorta worse then aol in that respect of clicking first google link ^ [10:38] s/to/too [10:38] I guess i'm a moron for using facebook to reconnect with highschool friends. [10:39] but hey i use it daily, google that is. [10:39] search "what is a browser" on youtube, you'll be enlightened [10:39] do you at least block their ads? [10:39] yes [10:39] on almost all sites, but there are exceptions [10:39] i run noscript in firefox as with adblock plus [10:40] nice [10:40] what about ghostery [10:40] xXfiareraXx: your system still broke? [10:40] well i dont know if it is actually broken....just says stuff when perl runs [10:41] sounds enlightening [10:41] im sure i'll be better off reinstalling 12.2 [10:41] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] i'll be traversing facebook on -current while you do that [10:42] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:42] um...have fun [10:42] upgrading libdrm :-) [10:42] Axius (~hi@92.82.77.249) joined ##slackware. [10:43] mrselfpwn: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derptard [10:43] back in 90' when pc-s came here in Serbia, oe of the buyers called the support telling them "the coffee cup holder" broke. they went to her, and the cdrom tray was broken XD [10:43] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] i think every country has that joke pupiteee [10:44] it was no joke [10:44] and ubuntu discs are coasters [10:44] But Ubuntu discs ARE coasters. [10:45] Free coasters, all you have to do is order them. [10:45] xXfiareraXx: http://www.readthefuckingmanual.com/ [10:45] mrselfpwn: ? [10:45] Agent57 (~nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:46] mrselfpwn: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [10:46] that coffee cup joke has been spreading since the early 90s [10:46] indeed [10:46] i wouldn't doubt it had happened [10:46] true [10:47] im sure it happened...but fewer times than i have heard the joke [10:47] how can I stop crond from displaying a line every hour? [10:47] also true haha [10:47] when I used gentoo I witnessed a guy get fired from his job as his box saw him explaining to us in #gentoo how he downloaded gentoo.exe and ran it on his work computer then it went haywire. [10:47] s/box/boss [10:47] it's *really* annoying when you're typing something and have crond write a line on your screen [10:48] mrselfpwn: hahaha :P [10:48] you redirect its output to /dev/null ? [10:48] Camarade_Tux: ctrl+l in irssi, too [10:48] gentoo.exe? you have got to be kidding me [10:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Axius (~hi@92.82.77.249) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] i think ill boot 12.2 install cd, mount my partition, move everything to /blah/ then install fresh and re-configure/reinstall my packages [10:50] trhodes: I'd even prefer if it weren't trying to write anything ;-) [10:50] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.251) left irc: Quit: Bye.......... [10:51] gentoo.exe would be a funny tech support day for sure [10:51] sounds like a fine name for malware [10:51] looks like I have to recompile mesa to add nouveau support [10:52] im sure it will be worth the 10fps [10:53] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:53] nouveau can actually run compiz these days, at least on some hardware. Not sure what else it can do. [10:54] woot, only had to remove a comment in mesa.SlackBuild :-) [10:54] the slackbuild is failing though [10:56] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:56] anyone know how to put console on 1280x800? [10:56] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] guaxinim: You would need a framebuffer driver specific for your GPU< not the vesa framebuffer used by default in Slackware. [10:57] adamk: know if have any for intel that works? [10:57] uvesafb *might* work, but I have no experience with that. [10:57] guaxinim: either read lilo.conf or read the stuff in the kernel documentation about fb [10:57] actually, you can have 1280x800 with the default fb but it's really slow [10:57] guaxinim: Sure, the intel DRM driver supports it if you enable kernel modesetting. [10:58] the best path today is definitely KMS [10:58] Camarade_Tux: Ahh, cool, I didn't know that about vesafb. [10:58] (doesn't always work however, like my radeon 4200 proves it) [10:58] I think wikipedia has the proper code for lilo, can't remember what it is [10:58] Camarade_Tux: No KMS on your 4200? [10:59] soon as i finish my upgrade-all reboot and the vodoo with gmp i will search for it, thanks anyway [10:59] I had KMS during 2.6.32 although it was supposed not to work [10:59] Hmmm... I wonder what makes the 4200 so special. [11:00] but now, with 2.6.33, it doesn't work although I read it was supposed to work (but the doc hasn't changed) [11:00] Camarade_Tux: Did you check with the folks on #radeon? [11:00] whats KMS [11:00] kernel modesetting. [11:01] It moves the modesetting part of the Xorg driver from the DDX to the kernel. [11:02] adamk: nope [11:02] adamk: the kernel doc says it shouldn't work... [11:02] I'm on #nouveau, I might go on #radeon too now however ;-) [11:02] busy week however [11:04] slow upgrade is slow :/ [11:05] upgrading to -current took 30 minutes on my desktop and 72 minutes on my laptop [11:05] Fantom__ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [11:05] how can i install rt8270.bin file [11:05] firmware ? [11:05] 2870 [11:06] which branch? [11:06] bah [11:06] brand* [11:06] Camarade_Tux: agd5f says that if it's 0x9715, he sent out a patch this week for it. ALl other's should be working in 2.6.33. [11:06] Camarade_Tux: Was it locking up, or just not loading? [11:06] adamk: hard lock [11:07] well, I don't remmember well actually, I couldn't do anything [11:07] Camarade_Tux, what mirror do you pull from? [11:07] who knows? [11:07] (it was at boot) [11:07] admboom: on #radeon? [11:07] Camarade_Tux: Yep. [11:07] for 30 minute -current update [11:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:08] admboom: ah, thought you meant to upgrade once installed, it took me only 10 to 15 minutes to upgrade my local mirror from slackware.no (without kde) [11:08] ah, nice. [11:09] Fantom__ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Quit: A yawn is a silent shout. [11:10] Action: guaxinim doing a full upgrade from a full instalation [11:10] Action: Camarade_Tux waiting for mesa to compile [11:11] Camarade_Tux: so, you think it might rain? [11:11] Action: guaxinim killing time with futile talk [11:12] hmmm, not a single cloud in the sky [11:12] guaxinim: ##slackware-offtopic [11:12] ;-) [11:12] :P [11:12] mesa is horribly long to compile =/ [11:13] already on x* packages it might be not take much longer now [11:13] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.182) joined ##slackware. [11:13] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.4) joined ##slackware. [11:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:14] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:14] \o/ mesa failed to compile as written in the slackbuild, now I can debug that =) [11:15] telperion (~Adium@168.176.5.136) joined ##slackware. [11:15] telperion (Adium@168.176.5.136) left ##slackware. [11:16] Camarade_Tux: what was the error [11:16] Camarade_Tux: I just got to debug a slackbuild! conclusion was I'm an idiot that needs to remember to do multilib stuff :P [11:17] raendeer: =) [11:17] raendeer: That's not being an idiot. Idiocy would be ME needing to remember that stuff. [11:17] nothing like seeing that my compiler can't make executables and wondering what I did -this- time [11:17] xXfiareraXx: libdrm is too new for that version of mesa [11:17] (something undefined) [11:18] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:18] (needs a version of mesa older than feb 11.) [11:18] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs raendeer [11:18] :D [11:18] raendeer: dont be that cruel with yourself [11:19] alright, here goes nothing... reboot into -current.. [11:19] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Quit: reboot [11:20] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:20] wow, in source/x/mesa, there is actually a script to get the latest mesa git :P [11:20] hey guys [11:20] Is there an app that can write to stdout to a file and also stdout? [11:21] Buggaboo: tee(1) [11:21] lemme rephrase: app x exits with stdout or stderr, app y takes this and writes to file then passes to stdout or stderr [11:21] man tee [11:21] oeps [11:21] the script would deserve some improvements however [11:23] Buggaboo: $ app-x | tee outfile [11:24] anyone knows one "GUI" for dansguardian or squidguard ? [11:24] Action: guaxinim didnt knew about tee, interesting [11:24] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:26] i never knew about tac [11:26] argh, no acceleration eh? [11:26] Action: SiegeX knew about all of those, muhahaha [11:26] dear god, still updating [11:26] =((((((((( [11:26] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-57-23.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:26] guaxinim: HAHA [11:27] xXfiareraXx: is ugly to laugh on other people misfortune =/ [11:27] xXfiareraXx: Neither did I, until I read the info(1) help collection. [11:27] Action: guaxinim not pretty sure that word exists [11:27] can we giggle? [11:28] i chortle at your misfortune! [11:28] I chuckle at your unfortunate circumstance [11:28] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.139) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] chiggle? [11:28] if i was emo i would probably be making my way to the bathrom with a knife [11:29] good think bathroms dont exist [11:29] lol [11:29] rooms [11:29] =P [11:29] eviljames: which hardware? [11:29] Camarade_Tux: r600-based radeon [11:30] ej, what'dya break now? [11:30] used to have accel? [11:30] well, when I had accel I was using fglrx, but it was poor at best. [11:30] a bathrom is where memory goes to piss [11:30] So I updated to -current, got some funky error messages about module version mismatch (though all modules appear to load fine...) and here I sit [11:30] brb, need to start the mesa compile [11:31] new kernel you need to recompile fglrx tough [11:31] did you upgradae the kernel too? [11:31] back to open source drivers (upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new) [11:31] eviljames: where is fglrx.ko located on your system? [11:31] guaxinim: I don't want fglrx, it sucks at best. [11:31] Camarade_Tux: ^ [11:31] humm [11:31] eviljames: but I want to know :P [11:31] Camarade_Tux: find / -iname "fglrx.ko" && xargs rm [11:31] or is that | xargs rm [11:31] whatever it is, that's my goal :D [11:32] i liked the one time i booted and no kernel modules would load because my kernel was compiled with gcc 4.6 or something and my system was an older version [11:32] eviljames, you need windows [11:32] eviljames: The open source drivers support 2D and 3D acceleration on all radeons up to the HD4950 in -current currently. [11:32] :> [11:32] Thankfully./ [11:32] Because fglrx will not work on -current at the moment. [11:32] adamk: superb, and later today I'll track down what's going wrong [11:33] jeev: you need a lobotomy :> [11:33] eviljames: pipe [11:33] xXfiareraXx: gcc 4.6 is not even being developped yet :-) [11:33] whatever it was lol [11:33] :> [11:33] hmph... [11:33] why is firefox getting crappier and crappier? [11:33] k, bbl off to work. [11:33] eviljames: he needs a hug ;-) [11:33] later ej [11:34] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs eviljames [11:34] :> [11:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:34] wait...jeev? as in terror watch list jeev? [11:34] ? [11:35] slackware user, go figure [11:35] what am i a terrorist of ? the air around me after i fart ? [11:35] that's right [11:35] damn right, my suggestion -- dont stand within a mile after i have veggies [11:35] After a group of StarCraft II beta testers reported technical difficulties following the installation of NVIDIA driver update 196.75, Blizzard tech support found that the update introduced fan control problems that were causing video cards to overheat in 3D applications. <--- the hell? [11:36] nvidia's kill switch [11:36] gne? >< [11:37] im looking through the nvidia settings on t his windows system [11:37] HDCP? high-bandwidth digital content protection? [11:37] these DRM schemes are freaking annoying [11:38] Action: Camarade_Tux lights a candle, Dear God, make mesa build [11:38] Camarade_Tux: what are you trying to do? [11:38] NaCl: nouveau [11:38] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [11:38] glhf, tell me if it works [11:39] on 2.6.notyet34 [11:39] Guest75069 (~pragma@blackshell.com) left irc: Changing host [11:39] Guest75069 (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Nick change: Guest75069 -> pragma_ [11:39] I upgraded libdrm which has a new stable release which supports the new api and then installed xf86-video-nouveau [11:39] turns out it wants support from mesa which needs an update so it can build with nouveau [11:40] but mesa's latest stable is too old, you need something more recent [11:40] I started messing with that in -current. couldn't get it working after an hour, decided that getting it to work would be way too hacky [11:40] I compiled drm 2.4.19 just last night [11:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] NaCl: it's not hacky, it just takes some time [11:41] Action: NaCl decided to hack KDE instead [11:41] works fine with mesa 7.7 [11:41] NaCl: slackware64? [11:41] Camarade_Tux: yes [11:41] thrice`: not if you enable the nouveau bits [11:41] Heh... It's harder to get all the parts of nouveau working together than it is for radeon, amazingly enough. [11:41] Camarade_Tux: I got polkit working in KDE [11:41] why would you want to run nouveau exactly? [11:41] NaCl: if you want, I should be able to share my packages with you [11:41] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:41] Camarade_Tux: toss up a candle for me as well.. I could use one for wxPython [11:41] xXfiareraXx: not to run nv? [11:41] xXfiareraXx, why not? [11:41] well nvidia has 3d acceleration [11:41] The proprietary drivers work fine [11:41] raendeer: using the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org? [11:42] prop. drivers suck :p [11:42] Camarade_Tux: yep, and it gave an error [11:42] not for me, I hate it [11:42] I stopped using the proprietary drivers years ago because they never worked fine. [11:42] how can i see what version is my libusb? [11:42] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-aqokuognmxeitxwc) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:42] Camarade_Tux: try the slackbuild from -current/source ? [11:42] oxiredo_ro: ls /var/log/packages/libusb* [11:42] Action: NaCl is messing with cmake [11:42] xXfiareraXx: for what? [11:42] I mean, slackbuilds for what? [11:42] Camarade_Tux: it's not very helpful, either http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/qYAMmJ98.html [11:42] for whatever you are building [11:42] Anybody here familiar with cmake? [11:43] NaCl: cmake . right? [11:43] raendeer: i'm stuck between a 80x24 computer and another one which must be at 80°C right now, can't take a look right now =/ [11:43] xXfiareraXx: huh? [11:43] xXfiareraXx: not exactly [11:43] Camarade_Tux: k [11:43] xXfiareraXx: using libdrm and mesa slackbuilds [11:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:43] bah, another error in ùesa [11:43] mesa* [11:44] I'm trying to get cmake to tell me the sysconfig dir for dbus [11:44] Camarade_Tux, what are you building, 7.7? [11:44] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:45] thrice`: git HEAD [11:46] thrice`: 7.7 isn't recent enough to go with latest libdrm [11:46] Are you telling it not to build drivers you don't need? [11:46] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:46] eek, HEAD would be 7.8 - I doubt that will build ;p [11:46] drm = direct rendering manager right [11:46] thrice`: guess what :-) [11:46] you can't pull the 7.7 branch and use that? [11:46] head builds fine here, but I only build r300,r600,swrast DRI drivers. [11:46] xXfiareraXx: Yes. [11:47] adamk: yeah, I'm only building the nouveau driver, compilation was taking hours otherwise [11:47] Heh. [11:47] just making sure it wasnt the other DRM...the scourge of legal purchasers of software [11:47] adamk: using git? which commit is it? my problem seems more general than nouveau vs raeon [11:48] oh, the problem is only in the demos [11:48] Camarade_Tux: At this point it's probably a few days old. And I'm not on -current, so that might make a difference, but let me check. [11:48] Ahhh, I also disable those :-) [11:48] upgrade done, rebooting on new kernel [11:48] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: bye [11:49] flrichar (~fredr@kkvm.geexology.org) joined ##slackware. [11:49] haqe18 (~minty@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:49] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ecfljmrhymabuggl) joined ##slackware. [11:49] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Client Quit [11:50] hmmm, maybe not, I maybe made an error (I did, dunno the impact) [11:50] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:51] and then I'll put icecream on these computers, I have a quad-core not doing anything while the dual-core laptop is overheating [11:51] Camarade_Tux: Yeah, I last updated on the 26th of February, so a week ago. Commit 52eb2ef6bf4e3327ed008c691efb821ecaa422b2 [11:51] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.64.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:51] ok im going to attempt to upgrade to -current again lol [11:51] adamk: okay, I'll use that as a reference if it still doesn't build [11:52] love how my isp caps my downloads at freaking 300k [11:52] ...... [11:52] http://photo.accuweather.com/photogallery/content/Details.aspx?pid=27693 [11:53] looks foggy [11:54] rwerken: i like it, makes me think of dies irae [11:55] Noir Désir <3 [11:55] are all t he X files in the x directory? [11:55] can i just slackpkg blacklist x ? [11:56] and xap and gd (or is it php) depends on imagemagick iirc [11:56] built! \o/ [11:56] xXfiareraXx: really if you are going to upgrade to -current .. why are you asking those questions? [11:57] well because i dont want to upgrade my kernel [11:57] and x requires a newer kernel or it crashes out, i tried it [11:57] something aboug VGA something [11:57] if you keep your old x, it most likely won't work anymore because the libs will be updated [11:58] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [11:58] ok, slackware-current [11:58] :) [11:58] my console gracefully is on the right resolution now [12:00] argh [12:00] blargh [12:00] ...? [12:00] I didn't get nouveau_dri.so but got nouveau_vieux_dri.so ("vieux" means "old"), I mv'ed it to nouveau_dri.so and ran startx which is now stuck [12:01] hackjob [12:01] did you guys disable preempt? [12:01] or just recompile? [12:01] why didn't you get the proper driver in the first place? was there an error? [12:02] Necos: dunno, thought it was worth a try ;-) [12:02] and couldn't see an error [12:02] :P [12:03] Agent57 (nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:03] ssh is up anyway [12:03] crap [12:03] I should have checked dmesg >< [12:03] or not? lol [12:03] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] Heh. [12:04] nah, I turned the computer off before checking the logs [12:04] What's did it say? [12:04] I need a cane to turn it on again, I don't feel like getting up [12:04] buffer'll be clear next time he starts :( [12:05] I'll make the computer fail another time :P [12:05] yay, could turn the computer on with the keyboard =) [12:05] I mean, used the keyboard to press the power button [12:09] argh. I will have my revenge on this kernel [12:09] probably not [12:10] probably yes [12:10] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:10] or not [12:11] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [12:12] can anyone give me a run down on using VirtualBox with all the latest kernel enhancements...which do i need to enable in the .config to get the best performance? [12:14] no answer [12:14] sorry: no single answer [12:15] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:19] I've never enabled anything special in my kernel config for VirtualBox and have always had good enough performance for my needs. [12:19] kde compositing stopped working [12:19] interesting =P [12:20] i had qemu booting xp in 5 seconds once [12:20] faster than on physical disc [12:20] everything is in ram, I/O has no latency [12:22] my brain is under par [12:22] which means its better [12:22] >.> [12:23] heh, i dont know why people say its a bad thing to be below par [12:23] never played golf i guess [12:23] oh well :P [12:24] 34 mb for TETEX package.... [12:24] what in the helck [12:24] and i thought samba was bloated [12:25] oh wow TETEX documentation is 42 mb download [12:26] Fantom__ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [12:26] I'm back [12:26] had to ride the bus home [12:26] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:27] xXfiareraXx: you haven't even seen texlive [12:27] anyone knows how to setup a redirect between 2 irc channels? [12:27] what is it [12:27] newer tex distribution [12:27] #channel and ##channel [12:27] xXfiareraXx: documentation for that is *huge* [12:28] Kaapa: ask in freenode [12:28] sberthelot (~sberthelo@2002:52ea:963c:1::11) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:28] Instead of visually formatting your text, you enter your manuscript text intertwined with TeX commands in a plain text file. [12:28] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] I know what tex is. [12:29] sounds like using HTML for all formatting and text instead of html + css [12:29] makes it a pain to maintain [12:30] FATAL: Error inserting radeonfb (/lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel/drivers/video/aty/radeonfb.ko): Invalid module format arghghgh... [12:30] if you're a schientist or mathematician, it's not [12:30] lol ej [12:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.44.108) joined ##slackware. [12:31] aty? no wonder. :P [12:31] yes it should be ATI [12:31] does dmesg say anything more? [12:32] eviljames: There is a thread on the linuxquestions forum about various graphics related modules having problems. [12:33] I think the resolution was to rebuild the kernel without PREEMPT. [12:33] eviljames: Though, honestly, I would never recommend using radeonfb now that KMS is available. [12:33] adamk: some cards don't support KMS yet. [12:33] Like mine [12:34] laptop sounds like it's going to take off, it heats so much =/ [12:34] eviljames: modprobe -v, and dmesg! [12:34] arg everytime i upgrade the compiler i have to recompile the kernel hehe [12:35] not necessarily [12:35] Fantom__ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Quit: The day after tomorrow is the third day of the rest of your life. [12:35] it's only a warning iirc, and if you don't (re)compile kernel modules, you don't have to change anything [12:36] aww jea libgmp [12:36] is there a way to learn for how much time did a process run? [12:37] `time ls` [12:37] an already finished one i mean [12:37] Drakevr: process accounting, too [12:37] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-106-231.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:38] Drakevr: once it has returned? [12:38] or while it's still running? [12:38] Camarade_Tux: yeah [12:38] it is finished\ [12:38] dunno then [12:38] if it is still running? [12:38] umm should 32bit slackware even have a /usr/lib64 directory? [12:38] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:38] you'd have needed process accounting on to know after the fact [12:38] now asking just to know [12:38] i have one for some reason with a bunch of X11 crap in it [12:38] NaCl: you tried to make nouveau work? with which kernel? [12:39] 2.6.33 [12:39] well, the *module* worked. [12:39] Not the x driver [12:39] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2010-03-02 17:28 lib64 [12:39] ok, I'm running 2.6.33++ (updated today, will become .34) [12:40] :win 7 [12:40] bah [12:40] Action: NaCl is not a uber-1337 kernel h4x0r [12:40] nah, didn't cause any problem [12:40] anyone on 32bit -current? [12:40] Fantom__ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [12:40] there haven't ben that many update but I have to say that my laptop is getting old so drivers for it are pretty stable now and don't change much between releases [12:41] mesa built, upgraded, let's try [12:41] I'll bbs. [12:41] ghost/WUSB600N/os/linux/../../os/linux/rt_profile.c:1594: error:  struct task_struct  has no member named  fsgid  [12:41] make[2]: *** [/ghost/WUSB600N/os/linux/../../os/linux/rt_profile.o] Error 1 [12:41] NaCl: What GPU do you have that radeon KMS doesn't support? [12:42] thrice`: re-upgrading to -current got rid of the locale error junk....what exactly is left over after a downgrade of glibc that makes locales spit errors? [12:42] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [12:42] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [12:42] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:42] you're not supposed to downgrade glibc I guess, ever [12:43] Fantom__ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Client Quit [12:43] if you can upgrade it, i'd think you could downgrade it, as long as you downgraded anything else that would break [12:43] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! [12:43] but apparently some minor thing must get out of wack [12:44] glibc is quite special [12:44] there must be a database file it generates somewhere that slackpacks dont remove/upgrade during package install [12:44] nouveau working \\o o// \o/ [12:45] \o/ [12:45] Camarade_Tux: now try quake3 [12:45] congrats :P [12:46] glxgears is running at 475FPS, and is taking 100% of a cpu while X is taking 60% of the other one [12:46] is there a way to essentially reboot your computer remotely without doing a real bios/lilo boot? [12:46] delt0r___ (~delt0r@80-123-54-226.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [12:47] like change init then change it back to multiuser with one command taht will run if you lose your ssh connection [12:47] im guessing no [12:48] Camarade_Tux: glxgears will nearly always run at 100% of a CPU as it is very CPU dependent. [12:48] However, 60% of another CPU for Xorg seems... Excessive. [12:48] walmartshopper (~walmartsh@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:48] delt0r_ (~delt0r@62-47-141-217.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:49] Camarade_Tux: SlackBuilds or it didnt happen [12:49] adamk: yeah, I know glxgears will eat your cpu like there's no tomorrow but X usually doesn't ;p [12:49] and 474FPS is... low ;-) [12:49] sahk0: I'm running a git kernel from today [12:49] oh [12:50] I was actually waiting for linus to pull these changes before upgrading to -current on this laptop [12:50] using the drm from the kernel? [12:50] I just managed to get gcc to compile for arm-elf cross compiling. I have to do another pass after newlib is set up but if I can get it set up, maybe I'll make a slackbuild if it works so that my fellow slackware users can write for embedded systems :) [12:50] flrichar (~fredr@kkvm.geexology.org) left irc: Quit: bbl -- reboot [12:51] sahk0: yup [12:51] Fatalnix, that'd be awesome [12:52] Camarade_Tux: what kind of git is it? 2.6.34git ? [12:52] or still .33? [12:52] sahk0: still named .33, it'll probably be named .34 only on monday [12:53] that sucks [12:53] my /usr/src/linux is a symlink to /usr/src/linux-2.6 which is... a git repository tracking Linus' tree [12:53] If I do write a slackbuild, is it practical to use read to ask a general prefix question , since its not th ebest idea to install into /usr? [12:54] most people install it to for example, /usr/arm or /usr/arm-elf, etc [12:55] no [12:55] don't ask questions [12:56] Raphael_S (~Raphael_S@r311-pb-itajai.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:56] use a variable in the slackbuild and let the user set it [12:56] alright. I'll do that and just note that in the description [12:56] I figured there are others that are like me who hate questions. [12:56] lol [12:56] hence cpan makes me angetated. [12:57] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:57] adamk: HD 5770 [12:58] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:59] NaCl: It supports KMS now :-) [12:59] adamk: This issue exhibits itself on both laptop and desktop for me.. I have every intent of moving to kms [12:59] May not be in 2.6.33, but it's in git. [12:59] adamk: yes. [13:00] But, I need GL [13:00] eviljames: dmesg? modprobe -v? [13:00] Well that's irrelevent to the point I was making above :-) [13:00] adamk: heh :D [13:00] Camarade_Tux: don't get your panties in a bunch.. sec [13:01] telperion (~Adium@168.176.5.136) joined ##slackware. [13:01] telperion (Adium@168.176.5.136) left ##slackware. [13:01] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:01] eviljames: yes. :P [13:01] Camarade_Tux: did you mean -v or -V? [13:02] ok ok [13:02] eviljames: like I cared about -V :-) [13:03] eviljames: it should tell you why the format is incompatatatatatable [13:03] Camarade_Tux: the only difference I'm seeing with modprobe -v radeonfb is that it shows the attempt to insmod i2c stuff first, and fails. [13:03] and dmesg? [13:03] kms is nice tough [13:04] Camarade_Tux: the only relevant output I see in dmesg isi2c_core: exports duplicate symbol i2c_smbus_xfer (owned by kernel) [13:04] it screwed up my composite on kwin but, its nice anyways =P [13:04] is there anyway to remotely init 1 then init 3 [13:05] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:06] eviljames: tried to insmod radeonfb? (not modprobe, insmod) [13:06] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:06] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:08] Camarade_Tux: a new and interesting message insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel/drivers/video/aty/radeonfb.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module [13:08] radeonfb: Unknown symbol fb_ddc_read [from dmesg] [13:09] eviljames: where is this kernel from? you compiled it by yourself? [13:09] This is stock -current [13:09] is there anyway to remotely init 1 then init 3 [13:09] pulled from osuosl.org slackware64-current [13:09] ok gcc pass 2 hopefully this works, itl support c and c++ with arm's newlib for embedded systems [13:10] eviljames: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [13:10] xXfiareraXx: iirc, init 1 will shut down your networking... [13:10] Camarade_Tux: you're telling me :D [13:10] eviljames: huge or generic? [13:10] also does anyone on 32-bit -current have a /usr/lib64 directory...like me..... [13:10] xXfiareraXx: no [13:10] its filled with X11 stuff only afaik [13:10] xXfiareraXx: and which files are in it? [13:10] Camarade_Tux: huge [13:10] only X11 [13:11] eviljames: This really does sound a lot like this problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ati-in-current-upgrade-792578/ [13:11] adamk: k, I'll investigate. thx [13:11] Camarade_Tux: oh its just gnuplot app-defaults file [13:11] eviljames: you could (should) try recompiling it with slackware's .config, something may have gone wrong during the packaging (how, I don't know) [13:11] eviljames: Solved by rebuilding with CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y [13:11] ooh I can even compile gdb if this works. [13:11] Earlier I think I said it should be disabled, but I must have remembered wrong. [13:11] eviljames: yeah i know so is there anyway to do it? init 1 && init 3 ? [13:12] eviljames: Out of curiousity, what GPU do you have? [13:12] adamk: well, PREEMPT_NONE=y will disable preempt ;-) [13:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.44.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:12] xXfiareraXx: Not likely. The process controlling the terminal will be terminated, so it will never get to run 'init 3' [13:12] Camarade_Tux: OH, yeah :-) [13:12] yeah... [13:12] xXfiareraXx: "at" maybe [13:13] Wouldn't the at daemon get killed too? [13:13] hmm, yers [13:13] slackware kernels use PREEMPT however iirc (and last time I checked) [13:13] asamoah: argh, maybe [13:13] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2639 2010-03-02 17:28 /usr/lib64/X11/app-defaults/Gnuplot [13:13] basically everything is killed in init1 [13:13] i have no idea why that file exists...im 32bit :p its the only file there [13:14] how can you make init 1 run init 3 when its done :p [13:14] well, finally going in the bath tub and then will buy food (and probably b33r), bbl =) [13:14] xXfiareraXx: I just don't think you can. [13:14] beer rulez [13:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:16] xXfiareraXx: *maybe* you can change inittab to run some timer [13:16] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [13:16] anyway, not here anymore and not guaranteeing anything [13:17] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::55d7) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:18] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::55d7) joined ##slackware. [13:20] adamk: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450] [13:21] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [13:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.44.108) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.64.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:21] xXfiareraXx: I'm going to go with the wisdom of the crowd here as well. you *could* try telinit 1 && telinit 3 - but no guarantees that it works. [13:21] yeah im pretty sure its impossible [13:22] Hey guys. Is X11/extensions/shmstr.h moved or renamed in Xorg 1.7.5 ? After the update I cant compile xvidcap or recordmydesktop; both give the following error: error: X11/extensions/shmstr.h: No such file or directory [13:22] would be nice though...as my bios and lilo password keep real reboots out of the picture [13:24] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-67-189-121-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] hello everybody.. [13:25] hello [13:26] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [13:27] xXfiareraXx: You're looking to restart rl 3? [13:27] xXfiareraXx: or something like a 'soft' reboot? [13:28] Axtroz: Presumably you've confirmed that /usr/include/X11/extensions/shmstr.h doesn't exist? [13:30] eviljames: ? [13:30] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/ [13:30] adamk: you don't happen to know offhand if CONFIG_PREEMPT=y can be used instead of CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=Y to correct this? [13:30] as opposed to CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY [13:30] lol [13:30] eviljames: No idea. I only know what was discussed in that thread. I only paid attention to the last few pages of it, too. [13:31] eviljames: i figured run level 1 then run level 3 would be pretty much a real reboot except for kernel [13:31] adamk: ah, k. [13:32] adamk: I solved it, it's renamed to shmproto.h [13:33] a bit of editing the source files did it, recordmydesktop and xvidcap compiled cleanly :) [13:34] perhaps a patch can be made and fired to the various mailing lists? [13:35] adamk: interesting post by razb 2 days ago: downgrade module-init-tools makes this work? That can't be right... 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[13:50] eviljames: I enable it by default in the kernel module, but either way is fine. if you don't make it the default, you can enable it with radeon.modeset=1 on the kernel command line. [13:50] And if you enable it by default, you can always disable it on the kernel command line with 'nomodeset' [13:51] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:51] jota_7 (~jota_7@189-041-53-133.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:51] adamk: ah, perfect. thanks again [13:52] eviljames: What video card, btw? [13:52] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host213-122-217-193.range213-122.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:52] adamk: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450] [13:52] eviljames: Then you need an extra firmware file: http://www.mail-archive.com/pld-cvs-commit@lists.pld-linux.org/msg204517.html [13:52] eviljames: Download the R600_rlc.bin file and place it in /lib/firmware/radeon/, iirc [13:53] adamk: will do. [13:54] do r600s have gl support yet? [13:54] NaCl: Yes. [13:54] r600 and r700. [13:54] sweet my hardware is too new. :P [13:55] Yes, yes it is :-) [13:55] From what I understand, it should be relatively simple to get r800 working. [13:55] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] NaCl: evergreen? [13:56] da [13:56] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:56] NaCl: snazzy! [13:56] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] After I have kms working, my next goal is to make firefox/flash respect my sound card choice.. [13:57] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Client Quit [13:58] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:58] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: ..(cyp): Bitch-X BaBy! [14:01] eviljames: yeah. [14:02] runs (almost) like a dream [14:04] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:04] nvision (~nvision@dslb-088-071-062-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] nvision (~nvision@dslb-088-071-062-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:06] night [14:06] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:10] ok, starting upgrade glibc. hope im done by 3am. time! [14:10] Fri Mar 5 21:09:52 EET 2010 [14:11] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. 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[14:33] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] by the upgrade i mean the last upgrade (the big one), not that i have now moved from stable to current [14:36] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp78-426.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:36] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [14:37] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:37] mm, flash works just as poorly here as it did before [14:40] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. [14:42] flash is as flash does [14:43] correcaminos (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:43] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [14:43] http://www.ditii.com/2009/10/23/linus-torvalds-gives-windows-7-a-thumbs-up-at-linux-symposium/ < lol [14:43] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:46] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] correcaminos__ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Axius (~fd@92.84.2.253) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:47] well, basically flash is now crashing for me in 1 out of 2 pages that have something in flash, _even_ when using flashblock [14:47] so i had to remove the plugin [14:48] rg3: haven't seen that in 64-current, but I don't have a 32 bit install anywhere to really test for you.. [14:48] Axius (~fd@92.84.2.253) joined ##slackware. [14:50] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:51] rg3: Did you try a fresh profile in Firefox? [14:51] jkwood: yep, exactly the same problem; i nailed it down to the presence of libflashplayerplugin.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins, and nothing more [14:52] Odd. [14:55] thats the correct place to put it not /usr/lib/firefox/plugins ? [14:55] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-220-16.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:56] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Acquiesce: i always put it there, but i suppose the one you mentioned can be used for a system-wide plugin installation [14:56] yeah i was about to say system wide [14:57] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:58] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-220-16.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] correcaminos (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. [14:59] correcaminos__ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:59] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:04] rg3: no particular problems with flash here on slackware-current 32bit, FWIW [15:07] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. [15:07] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:08] thanks, then it's either a driver problem or a problem related to the power outage i had during the upgrade [15:08] i'll check my system [15:08] UPS ftw [15:09] it's a laptop, and i'm an idiot for not connecting the battery during the upgrade [15:09] FedEX! [15:10] correcaminos (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:11] fant0m_ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Action: jg71 writes that down for future quoting [15:11] why when i compile 2.6.33 ot boot it list everything on 2 ttys, tty 1 and tty 6 i want only 1 tty? 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[15:27] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:30] Nick change: spook_ -> spook [15:31] hey spook [15:32] heya Necos [15:32] hey phoenix^ [15:33] hey spook, Necos, phoenix^ [15:33] hey Camarade_Tux [15:33] hey dive [15:33] hi dive =) [15:33] y0 Camarade_Tux [15:33] [15:34] hi Necos :-) [15:34] How's it goin dive? [15:34] dive: hahaha [15:34] just opened my first beer :) [15:34] Action: eviljames waves at everyone [15:34] just because we're all saying hi atm [15:34] hey hackedhead, eviljames [15:34] hey hackedhead [15:34] I guess noone has anything to do ;-) [15:34] y0 eviljames, how goes? [15:34] Action: eviljames is at work [15:34] Camarade_Tux: so, obviously you are correct :D [15:35] Camarade_Tux: i'm waiting while a web api crashes... _again_ [15:35] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:35] >_< [15:35] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [15:35] ++jeev; [15:35] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] hey dive, phoenix^ (aka firebird) [15:36] lol [15:36] aka many|nick [15:36] Necos, you forgot the | you insensitive clod. [15:36] you know what's pissing me off ? [15:36] the housing market. [15:36] I'm fighting ssh issues again, so I can't ssh to the shell where my irssi session is. [15:36] thus, I am phoenix^ [15:36] haha [15:37] poor fire|bird [15:37] phoenix^: use another ssh client? [15:37] :win 14 [15:37] bleh [15:37] Acquiesce (~sfdthj@212.183.140.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:37] Camarade_Tux, It doesn't accept the password, thinks it's bad. [15:38] jeev: aren't you in cali? I thought housing was so distresed there that you should be able to buy a mcmansion for pennies on the dollar? [15:38] jeev: i nearly bust out laughing in my cube @: 'aaaaAAAA' =P [15:39] uh [15:39] whatcha mean hackedhead [15:39] phoenix^: and you didn't change the server? [15:39] eviljames, people here in california.. are rather funny [15:39] they think since they bought a house for 900k or 1.1k during the peak, they can sell it for the same price now. [15:39] Axius (~fd@92.84.29.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:39] you wont find a house selling less than what they purchased it for.. and if it is, it's subject to short sale [15:39] and you still wont get it [15:40] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Camarade_Tux, No, nothing's changed, it's an issue that's presented itself with -current on both my laptop and desktop, rsa keys however seem to work, dsa is what I'm having issues with. [15:40] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:40] jeev: vancouver is the same way, except demand is always high so people sell shitty houses for like 750k [15:40] hi fellas, i have a weird prob with alternative layout characters [15:40] and I mean shitty, run down houses built in the 40s [15:40] eviljames, demand is sort of high here too but.. nothing justifies people selling a house purchased in 2006 for 900k, for 920k. [15:40] while i see them in applications like ff, they dont seem to apear on terminal applications [15:41] like xfce terminal or xterm [15:41] any ideas? [15:41] jspider1010 (~spider101@81.sub-97-185-158.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [15:41] zx10k1, which font(s) are you using in those terminals? [15:41] monospace [15:42] and when i test on the select font dialog, i can see the chars too [15:42] try a unicode font like liberation, dejavu etc [15:42] hm [15:43] dieve, nothing [15:43] i get questionmarks instead [15:43] eviljames: I guess you can't beat Paris for the price of housing... [15:43] well xterm needs to -u flag for unicode I think [15:43] s/to/the/ [15:43] but xfce terminal ought to work [15:44] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:44] dive: doesn't he need some utf flags on the kernel line to make this go? [15:44] zx10k1: which terminal? xterm? rxvt? linux? [15:44] jota_7 (~jota_7@189-041-53-133.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:44] eviljames, not for X [15:44] ah, sorry, didn't see ;-) [15:44] Camarade_Tux, any of them.. say xfce terminal [15:44] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [15:44] i tried xterm for testing and i get nothing there too [15:44] zx10k1, what is your locale set to? [15:45] el_GR.utf8 [15:45] el_GR does not work either [15:45] my LC_CTYPE that is [15:45] what's puzzling me is that these settings used to work for ages [15:46] but then i upgraded to current and then i decided to downgrade to 13 again... [15:46] :D [15:46] it ought to be el_GR.UTF-8 (noted the dash) [15:46] case is important too I think [15:46] ok, lets see.. [15:47] dive, it wont work [15:47] plus locale -a lists as el_GR.utf8 [15:47] well it shoudn't [15:48] edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh and have a look in there [15:48] LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.utf8 [15:48] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:48] so actually, he's right [15:48] o0 [15:48] seccond pass fails. [15:48] ok, kernel rebuild complete, modules and everything installed... time for a reboot to see if my issues are resolved. [15:48] bbiab [15:48] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Quit: rebooooooting...AGAIN [15:48] LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8" [15:49] heheh no matter how i type it, doesnt seem to change things anyway [15:49] what sort of characters aren't printing? Which language? [15:49] greek [15:50] any character [15:50] are generic /etc files are included in some package? [15:50] maybe something failed to downgrade from current to 13 maybe? [15:51] zx10k1, /etc files are on the etc package [15:51] :P [15:51] I don't think they are all in one package [15:52] there is the etc package [15:52] i'll try to reinstall it and see what happens [15:52] you need to enable scim if you want to use greek input tho [15:52] like, mine is set for japanese [15:53] Necos, i used to write greek without the scim package [15:53] anyways i reinstalled etc [15:54] i'll login again and see if it makes any change [15:54] brb [15:54] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:57] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [15:57] nah [15:57] didn't work? [15:57] no [15:57] not all apps honor LC_CTYPE [15:57] which is why i use scim [15:57] but it used to work before [15:57] anyway [15:57] i'll keep searching [15:58] :) [15:58] try this.. [15:58] scim [15:58] ok [15:58] XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM [15:58] and GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge [15:59] which will enable scim for GTK apps [15:59] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:59] the thing is that on gtk apps everythin works fine [16:00] i'm sure it will prove to be a very silly issue after all [16:01] well the xfce terminal is usually quite good at rendering characters [16:01] that would be the first one to look getting working [16:01] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.4) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [16:02] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:02] whoa! [16:02] Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library [16:04] Nick change: rk4n3_ -> rk4n3 [16:04] zx10k1, ls /var/log/packages/glibc-i18n* [16:04] i've got it [16:05] glibc-i18n-2.9-i486-3 [16:06] how did you downgrade back to 13.0? [16:06] with slackpkg [16:06] changed mirror to 13 [16:06] and ran upgrade [16:06] did you do install-new? [16:06] hm [16:06] Did you run slackpkg clean-system too? [16:07] zx10k1: Did you run "slackpkg update" to update the package list? [16:07] yes [16:07] install-new has all sort of packages which seem irrelevant [16:07] like kde apps and the rest [16:07] no libs or similar stuff [16:08] configuration files? [16:08] installed new discareded old [16:08] btw, running locale gives me errors too [16:08] locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory [16:09] and LC_ALL has no value [16:09] which is a bit unusual i suppose.. [16:09] can you do 'export LC_ALL=el_GR.UTF-8' [16:09] then try locale again [16:10] same error [16:10] try the same with LANG [16:10] still there! [16:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:11] and it shows me the error with supposedly greek chars [16:11] but replaced with questionmarks [16:11] ocale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: ??? ??????? ?????? ?????? ? ????????? [16:11] what is set in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh? [16:11] el_GR.utf8 [16:11] pupiteee (~p@212.200.202.80) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:12] http://www.pastebin.ca/1824231 for reference [16:13] Necos, i got the same stuff apart from the LC_CTYPE of course [16:13] Necos, why don't you set all to ja_JP.utf8? [16:13] why just CTYPE? [16:13] out of curiosity [16:13] i thought setting all of them would make my menus and stuff japanese.. and while my japanese is decent, it's definitely not good enough to put EVERYTHING in japanese [16:14] and you get errors localised too which gets annoying sometimes [16:14] i just wanted japanese input via scim, and that's how i got it to work [16:14] hmm ok [16:15] brb [16:17] 2 hours to upgrade Slackware. now moving on to custom packages besides kde [16:18] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::aaaa) joined ##slackware. [16:18] zx10k1, ls /usr/lib/locale/el_GR.utf8/ [16:18] anything there? [16:18] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::55d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:18] brainvision (~brainvisi@host159-169-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [16:19] dive, there are some LC_* files [16:20] i'll try a clean-system in case i got some package from current that breaks things up [16:20] yes you shoul do that [16:22] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] didn't follow everything: what is the error message? [16:24] locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale [16:24] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] terminal: Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library [16:25] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:25] pupiteee (~p@79.101.200.128) joined ##slackware. [16:26] are you sure it's gr_something? [16:27] i am [16:27] (in fact, its el_GR) [16:27] I have nothing in my locales starting with 'gr' [16:27] ah [16:27] :) [16:28] tux_ (~tux@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] got no warning with LANG=el_GR.UTF-8 LC_ALL=el_GR.UTF-8 [16:28] tux_ (~tux@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:30] maddslacker (~corey@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:31] does slackware 13 use pulseaudio? [16:31] Nope. [16:31] that's what I thought [16:32] #mythtv-users is trying to blame slack/pulse for no sound from an mkv file [16:33] can be added though [16:34] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:34] but if it's added, usually, it's not getting much support here anyway [16:34] don't want it [16:34] but I needed to know if it was there by default [16:34] ^^ [16:34] definitely not! [16:34] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.182) joined ##slackware. [16:34] guys, when you run locale -a | grep el_GR do you get el_GR.utf8 or el_GR.UTF-8? [16:35] Best vps provider with slackware? [16:35] utf8 [16:35] heh, mythtv dev swears we're worng, whatever... [16:35] thanks [16:36] but in lang.sh it's UTF-8 [16:36] fwiw [16:36] maddslacker: can you tell this: 'LOL!' [16:36] thanks :-) [16:36] dive, and in /usr/share/X11/locale too! [16:36] Camarade_Tux, check this: "New: Pulseaudio is now installed as the default GNOME SlackBuild sound server." [16:36] lol [16:37] maddslacker, that's gsb which perhaps it is [16:37] mtkoan: Linode.com [16:37] maddslacker: in case you use gnome slackbuild, maybe but gnome is not on a default slackware install by any mean [16:37] although linode's slackware is... stripped down [16:37] Camarade_Tux, I'd rather have my ass sandpapered than use gnome [16:37] zx10k1: yeah, I use en_US.UTF-8 and locale -a says 'utf8', go for UTF-8 [16:37] Action: Camarade_Tux puts gnome on maddslacker's box [16:37] ok lets give en_US a try then [16:37] Camarade_Tux: It's the basics. I'm working on getting them to deploy 13 with slackpkg. [16:38] maddslacker: you know what to do if you want it removed now :-) [16:38] Action: maddslacker gets out some sandpaper [16:38] ^^ [16:38] jkwood: ok, good :-) [16:38] Camarade_Tux: Also, I'm not familiar with any other vps providers taht even offer it. [16:38] jkwood: don't know any other either [16:39] I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the correct form to use was UTF-8 [16:39] s/was/is/ [16:39] dive, i just read something similar on a thread on linuxquestions.org [16:40] nevertheless, setting all locale vars to en_US generates the same error [16:40] I would suggest editing lang.sh then and login out/in again. [16:40] ok [16:40] i will set it to en_US [16:40] i cant think of something simpler, right? [16:40] Hmm.. aparently, there are several. Many of the Slackware users I've encoutnered have a Linode, though. [16:40] Action: Camarade_Tux points to BP{k} [16:41] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:41] lol [16:41] oh Camarade_Tux I thought you were commenting on: [09:40] < zx10k1> i cant think of something simpler, right? [16:41] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:42] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:42] uhum [16:42] jkwood: thank you, I'll look into them [16:43] Does slack work well as fully-fledged LAMP web server? [16:43] mtkoan: They also have an irc channel on oftc. [16:43] Yeah, I have a lamp setup on mine: http://slaxer.com [16:44] cbpye (~Administr@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:45] Camarade_Tux, Then you're using a different configuration in myth, or you're using pulseaudio in spite of any protests that you're not [16:46] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:46] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:46] find /usr/lib* -iname "*pulse*" [16:47] but that's really incrediable [16:47] lol [16:47] can read the file in mplayer? [16:47] yes [16:47] that was in fact my very question [16:47] to him [16:47] mplayer plays it, mythtv does not, even if I set the mythtv player to mplayer [16:48] and he then blamed slack for trying to use pulseaudi [16:48] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:49] maybe he's using ubuntu and got completely insane because of, now everytime there's a weird audio bug, he blames pulseaudio [16:49] brainvision (~brainvisi@host159-169-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:49] he might be running on the walls currently [16:49] maddslacker, any error with mplayer? [16:49] maddslacker: Where'd you get the mythtv pacakge? [16:50] that's my guess [16:50] but, he claims google is smarter that us, so oh well [16:50] *than [16:50] another user the just came to my defense [16:50] heh [16:50] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:50] dive, no, works fine with mplayer [16:51] I'm gonna recompile myth with libfaad, but I still don't like him bashing slack [16:51] maddslacker, mythtv set to use mplayer doesn't work though? [16:51] maddslacker: Did you use the SlackBuild to build mythtv? [16:51] jkwood, from mythtv, then installed with slackbuild [16:52] jkwood, yes [16:52] dive, correct [16:52] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:52] maddslacker, so do you get an error in mythtv+mplayer? [16:52] Hmm... Well, there's no way it should be trying to use pulseaudio if it doesn't exist when it's built. [16:53] ya think? [16:53] lol [16:53] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-salbihifcclvftfp) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [16:54] jkwood, oh that was youover there [16:54] thanks [16:54] damn, now I can't remember what, if anything, I changed in the first place when I ran the slackbuild [16:55] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:55] heh [16:56] maddslacker: There should be a copy of the SlackBuild in the documentation in the pacakge. [16:56] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [16:57] jkwood, nice, that I DO have backed up :D [16:58] I'm going to wander off for a bit, due to strange latency issues and having some task at work I need to do, but good luck. [16:58] thanks [17:00] Camarade_Tux, Not saying there's anything wrong with it, just that it's doomed. [17:00] re: slackware [17:00] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] pupiteee (~p@79.101.200.128) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:00] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-87.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] I like it how so many people here are actually running software more recent than any other distribution :P [17:01] He's just a troll. I'll go fix his wagon later this weekend. [17:01] he's one of the mythtv devs, actually [17:01] iamlindoro: Not saying there's anything wrong with you, just that you sleep with your sister. [17:01] That doesn't make him any less of a troll. [17:02] rworkman, lol [17:02] Camarade_Tux: it wasn't always that way :) [17:02] rworkman: LOL [17:02] Camarade_Tux, agreed [17:02] NyteOwl: don't say it! :P [17:02] I constantly flame my ubuntu friends [17:02] rworkman: Jeff Foxworthy would be proud :) [17:02] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:03] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:03] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [17:03] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:03] So let me get this straight: his software tries to use something that is 1) not installed on the system, 2) isn't requested by the software during building, and 3) is a piece of shit anyway, and it's somehow our fault. [17:03] but now, I just don't care, I'm running nouveau on top of linus' git tree and I'm maybe the only one in the world doing that :P (note that it's using linus' tree) [17:03] Yeah, logic ain't his strong point. [17:03] rworkman, you summed it up quite nicely [17:04] to be fair, he did say that is the only way he has seen that behavior, but then he wouldn't leave it alone with the slackbashing [17:04] Tell him to get his own house in order before he starts trying to clean somebody else's. [17:04] or run for political office - then he'll be normal. [17:04] lol [17:05] well I mean it wouldn't be the first time myth was borken in some way [17:05] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:05] rworkman, from the straight 13.0 / 0.22 slackbuild, other than add faad, are there any gotchas in the script? [17:06] Slackware has been "doomed" since RH and Debian came along, yet it keeps on clicking. [17:06] maddslacker: not that I recall, but I don't use his doomed software. [17:06] meh [17:06] I think XGizzmo_ does. [17:06] XGizzmo_: ^^^ ping re mythshit [17:06] rworkman, lol [17:06] lol [17:06] for what I sue it for, it really does work well, I can't complain [17:06] other than this one set of videos [17:06] mkv with aac [17:07] Well, good luck. I'm going to pick my daughter up from preschool :) [17:08] laters [17:08] and thanks for the help [17:09] jkwood, no slackbuild in the tgz archive [17:09] no worries, I'll try it on this box first [17:10] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:11] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.182) joined ##slackware. [17:13] monstro (1000@187.10.79.59) joined ##slackware. [17:14] pupiteee (~p@93.86.179.209) joined ##slackware. [17:14] installed lusca proxy but it did not create the rc.squid ! [17:15] monstro: do you have squid+ [17:16] Cann0n, yes [17:16] mtkoan (~mtkoan@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:17] Cann0n, then ? [17:17] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [17:17] monstro: how did you install squid? when i installed it, it have me rc.squid [17:17] Cann0n, how to I build rc.squid ? [17:17] beats be. sorry. if you don't mind me asking, why do you need squid? [17:18] Cann0n, for web cache [17:19] maddslacker: The build currently on SBo puts the SlackBuild in /usr/doc/mythtv-0.22/mythtv.SlackBuild [17:20] zx10k1 (~nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [17:20] bleh [17:20] jkwood, thanks [17:20] no luck, no matter what [17:20] i reinstalled glibc* [17:20] monstro: ok, one more question, why do you need web cache? are you on dial up? [17:20] Action: jkwood caches the whole internetz [17:21] it is pointless to try to fix it by chance so i might as well reinstall slack from scratch [17:21] what are normal policies for toll calls on cell phones, dont most cell phone plans allow anywhere in the us for example (within the us) as part of the plans now at normal rates? [17:21] Cann0n, why bandwidth is not free [17:21] there are cache plugins for firefox that make it much easier; however, with those plugins, you can't aquire a finer tuning and more configuration options [17:21] bandwidth [17:22] Fatalnix: I think that depends on the carrier. On AT&T, I can call anywhere in the US, and as long as I don't use the 1, it's toll-free. [17:22] I get 90GB of bandwidth a month on each of my rack servers, but only 3 GB a day each. [17:22] until its capped [17:22] throttled* [17:22] i looked into squide for caching because i'm on dial-up. even the guys in #squid will tell you squid isn't something you "just install for basic web cache" [17:22] Fatalnix: I think you need a Linode or three. [17:22] thanks jkwood, I was intending on getting a skype in number from another state, my state doesnt have them. [17:23] linode? [17:23] well, I dont pay to run the servers [17:23] the school does [17:23] monstro: i recommend BetterCache plugin for firefox (assuming you are using firefox) [17:23] the university of maine is the isp, so.. [17:23] im not complaining [17:24] Fatalnix, I went there [17:24] heh [17:24] Cann0n, not everyone uses firefox [17:24] Ah, that makes a difference. [17:24] monstro: what do you use? have you looked for plugin support? [17:25] maddslacker no way! [17:25] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:25] yup, 1999-2001 before I moved out of that gawdawful state [17:25] heh [17:25] lol [17:25] the only downside is no jobs here really [17:26] there are a few, if you don't mind low wage + high taxws [17:26] what part of the state? [17:26] the snack taxes are pretty high [17:26] but the sales tax is only 5% [17:26] all the taxes are high [17:26] I think cali was like 8 last I heard [17:26] I had my eyes opened when I moved out here [17:27] our state sales tax is 2.9 [17:27] my property taxes are 1/3 third what they were there [17:27] oh yeah, and I make twice as much..heh [17:27] I think umaine still has ursula or whatever its calledl.. [17:27] was going to call up and ask [17:27] wow, still? [17:27] monstro: what are your needs for web cache? is this just for surfing the web? [17:28] my instructor has a trs80 he said I can use to connect to it [17:28] multiuser system? [17:28] thats portable [17:28] Cann0n, vai toma no cu [17:28] ? [17:29] that's pretty fowl dude... [17:29] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [17:29] this economy is being a pain in the butt because its not that the jobs in maine arent available, they just dont exist at all! [17:29] which is dumb [17:29] lol [17:29] just trying to save you the troubles [17:29] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:29] Colorado a couple weeks ago had the lowest unemployment in the nation [17:29] But I hear there is a division of lockheed that might move up [17:29] <- denver [17:29] roccity_ (~roccity_@202-154-135-222.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:30] cool [17:30] lockheed is going tits up, obama canceled the space shuttle replacement [17:30] so there will be no lockheed expansion for a while [17:30] no way! [17:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:30] people in the established plants here will be lucky to keep their jobs [17:30] I know someone who works there, he's a friend of my uncles and came from cali to visit, quite the Perl programmer [17:31] nice [17:31] wtf is obama doing? [17:31] lots of things [17:31] but that was one that was big news here [17:31] thats stupid [17:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.44.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:32] deer creek lockheed plant got the contract for that project, then he cancelled it [17:32] space is the final frontier damnit! [17:32] lol [17:32] space.... [17:32] the final frontier [17:32] these are the voyages of the starship enterprise [17:32] These are the Voyages of the-- yeah [17:33] lol [17:33] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5FDE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:33] Fatalnix, i'm curious, what part of Maine are you in? [17:33] I'm from Ellsworth [17:33] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [17:33] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [17:34] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Bangor [17:36] monstro: Seu mãe sabores como peixe e prostituta peixe [17:36] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-111.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Fatalnix, cool [17:36] greetings [17:36] I used to run the Dominos there [17:36] roccity_ (~roccity_@202-154-135-222.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:36] haha! [17:36] Cann0n, hahah! [17:36] hmm [17:36] :) [17:37] when was that? [17:37] Cann0n, you speaking portuguese ? [17:37] umm, 1990ish and again in 1992ish [17:37] ah [17:37] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-52-190.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:38] that was centuries ago, not long after I was born [17:38] I was only 4 or 6 years old XD [17:38] lmao [17:38] ur a yumg un [17:38] *yung un [17:38] almost 22 [17:38] monstro: um pouco [17:38] Cann0n, devia ter falado comigo em portugues entao! [17:39] Cann0n, vou embora. abraco! [17:39] maddslacker: consider this: There are people who are driving now that were born after Aladdin came out. [17:39] jkwood, please don't remind me [17:39] lol [17:39] I saw a blog post to that effect a while ago [17:40] monstro (1000@187.10.79.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:40] Congratulations are also in order tothe Debian project, which is now old enough to drive as well. [17:40] hehe [17:41] Of course, the first time out, they'd have an argument over whether to pay for parking and crash into a fire hydrant. [17:41] Não sure o que eu estou dizendo, mas I' m it' certo; s divertido. [17:41] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:42] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:53] maddslacker: P4 is i686 iirc [17:53] functional difference no, there might be some speed improvements if you build the package optimized for your machine. depending on the package if they will be actually noticable [17:53] i don't think there is a difference. it's all x86 [17:54] thats how Gentoo built its fame [17:54] those are both the same things I thought too [17:54] but I guess it can't hurt [17:54] For that .0005% increase in speed. [17:54] on THIS machine, it's all x86_64, baybee [17:54] gm152, gotta have it...heh [17:54] same here. 64bit is sweet [17:54] compiler flags matter on all architectures [17:55] except noarch ;) [17:55] :) [17:55] dios_mio (~test@88.242.173.80) joined ##slackware. [17:55] hello slacker friendz [17:56] Pat had actully written on twiter about building all 32bit packages for i686, but i guess the latest current rebuilds were too much anyway. he would have probably done it along with them [17:57] sahk0: That was a long time ago. I'm not sure he got much feedback. [17:57] what C compiller shoud I use for PIC16F684 ? [17:58] oxiredo_ro: I think sdcc might cover it, not sure. [17:58] it does output .hex file? [17:58] I believe so. I haven't gotten that far - my toolchain got lost when I upgraded, and I haven't gotten it up and going again. [17:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.44.108) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:00] time for work food shindig then home [18:00] laters [18:00] maddslacker (~corey@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:00] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:01] usb_pickit,and sdcc is all i need? [18:03] somebody set up us the short bus! [18:03] I love that [18:03] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:04] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:05] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:06] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:06] find / -name \*yourbase\* -exec chown us:us {} \; [18:06] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:08] paissad (~paissad@ax113-5-88-173-84-85.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [18:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:14] m3tti (~user@p57B7F943.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] mayday-jay (~mayday_ja@noon.nas.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:14] hi everyone [18:14] wanted to ask how i could create a custom slackware install cd [18:16] one method is explained by searching the internet for "cooking up some slack" . but theres many more methods [18:18] just wanted to delete some packages and add some wanted to make a iso which fits on 1 cd [18:19] then cooking up some slack + the documentation in the isolinux/ directory on any slackware mirror will help you do it. its really easy [18:20] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:22] ok [18:23] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:25] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:30] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:31] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.182) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:31] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:32] correcaminos (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. 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[18:38] yea [18:39] soprano-2.3.1-x86_64-1 [18:40] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:40] te_ (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:41] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:41] and btw curl needs to be rebuilt for latest openldap-client [18:42] although aaa_elflibs contains the libldap-2.3.so.0 library needed by it, openldap-client has libldap-2.4.so.0 [18:43] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:44] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [18:46] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. [18:46] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:46] hmm i think thats the problem for kdebase-runtime too [18:46] the fact that i dont have libldap-2.3.so.0 [18:48] yeap, definitely, i guess aaa_elflibs had the previous version for a reason:) [18:49] correcaminos (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:52] abiko (500@dh207-6-109.xnet.hr) joined ##slackware. [18:52] correcaminos__ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) joined ##slackware. [18:52] correcaminos__ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Client Quit [18:52] One question.. If I may.. [18:53] I've installed slack 13 and I when trying to type slackpkg - not found ? [18:53] are you root? [18:53] I thought I was :) lol my mistake [18:54] /usr/sbin isn't in your $PATH unless you put it there or you are root [18:54] I was root in bash but exited to normal user [18:54] correcaminos_ (~luis.agui@201.199.12.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:57] hyke (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] rasqal , redland, soprano and curl, all link to libldap-2.3.so.0 [18:58] raptor too [18:59] i just came back to my system and nepomukservices is using 957MB of memory. anyone else experience this? [18:59] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:59] i'm on kde 4.4.41 [18:59] guax (1000@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:00] i've heard nothing but bad things about nepomuk and akonadi [19:00] thanks for xfce [19:00] i disabled it [19:00] kde ftw [19:00] imho, no flame necessary [19:00] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:00] i had it disabled in kde 4.3, but i figured i'd take it for a spin this time [19:00] maybe when it's done with initial indexing it'll calm down [19:01] brb [19:01] it does [19:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:01] not from what i've heard [19:01] Is there any good tips how to setup ATI drivers (for 2600 series) ? [19:01] but when you realize you dont use it that much [19:02] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [19:02] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:03] alright, i'll just turn it off. back to grepping if i want to find something [19:03] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:03] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:08] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.44.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:11] sahk0, pine too. It is known about the libldap so I expect some recompiling going on right now. 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I like hooter then slackware :D [20:39] its only for invite friend to drink beer with me [20:40] zaltekk: where you from ?? [20:40] Greenville, South Carolina, USA [20:40] zaltekk: hmmm hooters on brazil is diferent of USA hooters [20:40] how so? [20:41] zaltekk: girls here are brunete [20:41] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-132.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] having some network problems. set a dd-wrt router up as a client bridge, i can get on internel network, but not outside [20:42] anyone else using the System Load Viewer applet for kde? it seems ot have a bug where once its cpu graph hits 100%, it never goes down [20:42] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:43] zaltekk: girls on US have much blond girls ? [20:43] gar0t0: well, yeah. but a lot of girls in teh USA dye their hair [20:44] zaltekk: hmm!!! ok [20:44] I need to know hooter on US [20:44] :D [20:44] I need to go [20:45] any ideas? [20:45] zaltekk: tomorrow I talk with you :D [20:45] is anyone else having issues with the new sbopkg? [20:46] lol, okay [20:46] see you [20:46] gar0t0 (~pow@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:47] delt0r_ (~delt0r@80-123-57-118.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [20:47] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Write error: Connection reset by peer [20:47] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [20:48] brainvision (~brainvisi@host159-169-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [20:49] delt0r___ (~delt0r@80-123-54-226.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:49] amazon10x: what kind of issues? [20:50] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) left irc: Read error: No route to host [20:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.68.167) joined ##slackware. [20:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:55] chess: well i just tried to build two different packages, and they both seem to build fine, but then i get a message at the end "package failed to build". i just tried it without sbopkg and it still didn't work [20:56] i just cleared /tmp/SBo and i'm going to try again [20:56] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:57] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [20:58] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.127.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:59] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:59] adamk: So, fwiw, that kernel rebuild I did earlier today resulted in an unable to mount root panic :P [20:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:59] adamk: So much for correcting my module versioning issue heh [20:59] anybody else have an issue with kernel modules on 64-current? [20:59] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.13.196) joined ##slackware. [21:00] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] oh, it's a qt issue i think. i tried a pkg that doesn't depend on qt and it worked fine [21:00] amazon10x: can you tell me which pkgs you tried to build? [21:00] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-132.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: And Punt [21:00] amazon10x: are you running current? [21:01] running latest current [21:01] and aliens kde 4.4.1 packages [21:01] the packages were choqok and qwit [21:02] i'll paste output [21:03] http://pastebin.com/DViNEFA4 [21:03] there's no finished targz package in /tmp anywhere [21:04] I am just going to guess it error-ed out on the ( find .. strip) part. [21:04] amazon10x, remove the "set -e" [21:04] there is /tmp/SBo/package-choqok which contains what should be built into the package (/usr and stuff) [21:04] thrice`: alright [21:05] I am sort of amazed by the people getting bitten by this. seriously... [21:05] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:05] BP{k}: hmm? did i do something stupid? [21:05] amazon10x: let's now go there, shall we? it's a pleasant evening and al.. [21:06] oh i'm not antagonizing or anything. i was legitimately wondering if i did something stupid haha [21:06] thrice`: yup that worked [21:06] :> [21:07] I think these are non sbopkg issues [21:07] chess: they are not. [21:07] amazon10x: that is a bash4 problem that should be pretty well known. Since you are running -current I guess I asumed you would know about this. [21:08] yes, both choqok and qwit built fine in sbopkg 0.32.0 with the 'set -e' commented out in the slackbuild [21:09] psh, Sbo failure [21:09] paissad (~paissad@ax113-5-88-173-84-85.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:10] what do you guys suggest you do to test new drives? [21:10] they're sas with "ecc" [21:10] just dd ? [21:10] bbiab [21:11] paissad (~paissad@ax113-5-88-173-84-85.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [21:12] im still undecided about running slackware 64 or 32-bit? [21:12] how much ram do you have [21:12] was that a question? [21:12] 8GB [21:12] well, then it's either 64-bit or PAE for you [21:12] FATAL: Error inserting radeonfb (/lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel/drivers/video/aty/radeonfb.ko): Invalid module format [21:13] errr shit wrong chan sorry [21:13] unless someone else is having this error on ALL modules on their 64-current install... [21:13] where do I load one of the default kernel configurations into the kernel making interface? [21:14] thanks for answering me... PAE is good? then I can run all software easy?... but I will have Intel VT-x and VT-d.. should I try to run Slackware64, and make a slackware 32-bit guest OS if I need it? [21:14] http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#bash4 [21:14] I mean, what is the path to the default kernel configurations [21:15] foobarz, you know for a fact you need 32-bit only stuff? [21:15] rworkman: thanks [21:15] josteint (~josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:16] dchmelik: you can get your current config from /proc/config.gz [21:16] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [21:16] thrice`: I am running 32-bit slackware 12.2 now and it seems to be able to run all software I like, just my hardware is ancient... I will have new hardware soon and not sure 32-bit is best anymore [21:16] dchmelik, /boot/config-* [21:16] ok, I just thought it had to be in /usr/src/linux so it could be loaded [21:17] thrice`: my old hardware now is not even 64-bit capable [21:17] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:17] foobarz, what do you think the difference between 64-bit and 32-bit software are? [21:17] slack64 ships the same exact software as slack32 :) [21:18] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:19] no, there 32 less bits! [21:19] thrice`: I think 64-bit can see all 8GB of ram as 1 single chunk of ram, indexed straight in line... 64-bit software will be able to use 64-bit registers in the CPU if it is coded for that... not sure [21:19] is there any disadvantage to using the generic kernel rather than huge? [21:20] dchmelik: well, you have to make an initrd [21:20] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:20] thrice`: i do not really understand all the differences tho, as far as how 64-bit and 32-bit will break each other... like some software is just recompiled 64-bit with the compiler (no problem) but other software for some reason has to be rewritten... i don't understand that part [21:20] I thought initrd is not requierd anymore... I have made over 100 kernels and never had to use it [21:21] omg, over 100???? [21:21] likely over 150 [21:21] surely you know the irrelevance of what you just said, then? [21:22] any suggestions on a destructive test to see if there are any bad blocks ? [21:22] it was a long time ago [21:22] dchmelik: you need an initrd for your filesystem module [21:22] jeev: it'd be nice if there was a memtest86 for harddrives, huh [21:22] wish. [21:23] i dont know, it's showing errors corrected in smart though [21:23] who makes the harddrive? [21:24] i've always downloaded the utility provided by the manufacturer and it included a testing feature [21:24] if i want to make host and virtual guest OSes (intel virtualization), what is good software for that, that slackware has the best support for? [21:24] it usually had an option for "super in-depth test" or something which would go through and read/write every sectore [21:25] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [21:25] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:25] I just looked at slackware.com and it says there are docs in /boot explaining the generic kernel. However, there are no docs in /boot. [21:25] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:26] dchmelik, lol. try the one that starts with README [21:26] the 'one?' you mean the CD? [21:26] oh, I see it now [21:27] thrice`: oh ok... slack64 will run just like slack32 all same included packages... so I'm on my own to figure out other software if it is a slackware package... i have a lot to figure out [21:27] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:28] foobarz: do you know about slackbuilds.org? it's helpful for installing software not included with slackware [21:28] amazon10x: thanks [21:28] john_dee (~id@93-81-68-111.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [21:29] LnxSlck (1000@92.250.80.71) joined ##slackware. [21:29] telperion (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [21:29] abiko (500@88.207.4.247) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Hello ppl I have one extremly dumb question [21:30] i hope to use 64-bit linux and get all stuff working i guess and then hope there will not be any change to like 128-bit slackware anytime soon [21:30] abiko: i have one extremely dumb answer [21:30] I have created a .bashrc file.. and placed few aliases in it - and now I can't use it [21:31] it's in ~/.bashrc [21:31] abiko: `source .bashrc` will load it up in an open session [21:31] I have that problem with /etc/profile too [21:31] it only loads for root, though it is supposed to load for every user [21:31] few reboots later and your tip solved the issue :) [21:31] foobarz: don't worry, 64-bit will be around for a while. do you have a lot of obscure apps you use that aren't included with slack? [21:31] Thanks amazon 10x [21:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:31] abiko: those were quick reboots [21:32] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:32] amazon10x: i use skype sometimes... I have some binaries of a few games like quake, I'm worried about them [21:33] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:33] skype has a slackbuild. do you run quake in wine? [21:33] amazon10x: im worried about if 64-bit is glitchy... 32-bit seems stable for me, but i have no expience with 64-bit yet... really worried that it will hang and stuff... it would be really bad [21:33] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:34] amazon10x: i have linux binaries of games like quake, quake3, and return to castle wolfenstein... old games, but i still will want to be able to run that kind of old stuff [21:35] amazon10x: if I can get 64-bit replacements, that is great tho [21:35] oh well, i am worried about lame goofy stuff [21:36] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [21:39] if I install slackware32 and use PAE (for now), how hard will it be to later upgrade/change my system to slackware64? [21:39] telperion1 (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [21:40] telperion2 (~Adium@186.28.145.193) joined ##slackware. [21:40] maybe i can't be helped damn [21:40] how do i install sdcc on slackware..:( [21:41] telperion2 (Adium@186.28.145.193) left ##slackware. [21:41] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:42] 64 bit linux is not 'glitchy' [21:43] ananke: slackware64 is server-grade reliable operation? [21:43] 'server grade' is subjective [21:44] telperion1 (~Adium@190.156.15.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:44] if you consider slackware to be 'server grade' then its 64 tree falls in the same category [21:45] it's a production box man i can't take it offline [21:45] it's a secondary raid aray [21:45] array [21:45] ananke: is the linux kernel actually different for a 64-bit system compared to a 32-bit system, or it the difference simply the processor selection when I configure the kenrel in make menuconfig? and, in 64-bit linux kernel, are all the same device drivers of the kernel functional, or are most device drivers only workable on 32-bit processors? [21:45] ananke: i consider slackware32 bit to be server-grade, yes... extremely reliable operation [21:46] ananke: i just have to get experience with 64-bit still [21:46] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:47] chenfengyuan (~chenfengy@117.136.10.6) joined ##slackware. [21:47] it's not a different kernel, it's the same, just uses 64 bit functions. same thing for drivers [21:47] ananke: well, slackware is at least workstation-grade... 32bit slackware never fails me on my workbox [21:48] my dos 3.3 never failed me either :) [21:48] just shows that server-grade is a vague and subjective concept [21:49] ananke: so on a new 64-bit slackware, I can still plug in a 10-year old Sound Blaster Live! PCI card and the ALSA driver works in 64-bit? [21:49] yes [21:50] ananke: another old hardware of have 3ware 6410 raid card for PCI.. i gues that too works in 64-bit [21:50] i hope to not use that old hardware tho [21:50] as long as the drivers come with the kernel, and are not third-party binary drivers, then you're ok [21:51] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [21:52] ananke: i will have to use nvidia binary driver for my new video... is that working stable in 64-bit? [21:52] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:52] yes [21:53] I'm using the 64-bit one with no problems. [21:53] nice [21:53] not sure how many more times will you ask about stability, and we'll have to repeat 'yes, it's stable' [21:53] jkwood: can you play quake, quake3 and stuff on your 64-bit? [21:54] I played quake3 on my Slamd64 install, so I can't see why I wouldn't be able to today. [21:54] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-195.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] A lot of that software has source code available, and can be ported without much problem. [21:54] I know that quake3 runs on Android. [21:56] ananke: if I do run slackware32 with PAE and 8GB ram, what is the penalty or problem compared to if I run the new slackware64... is the difference much? [21:57] first of all, your processes cannot address more than 4GB of ram [21:57] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [21:57] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:58] So, I just upgraded a VM to the latest -current. [21:58] second, while the memory addressing may be slightly slower, there is some other small performance differences. overall, in this day and age, if you have 8gb of ram and 64 bit platform - go for 64 bit [21:58] And enumerating the routing table seems to be taknig forever. [21:58] any ideas? [21:58] ananke: 4GB is a lot of 1 process.. that doesn't seem like a terrible limitation, so far [21:58] not sure why you're so timid on 64 bit. [21:59] foobarz: i have processes that take up 150+ GB of ram. it's relativwe [21:59] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [21:59] ananke: wow, how much ram do you have in your computer? [21:59] and yes, it's easier to install 64 bit from the get go, than trying to upgrade [22:00] i have servers with 200+ GBs of ram. it's not my workstation [22:03] i had glitchy computers and software in the 1990s that left fear in my mind... that was back when things were still trying to switch from 16-bit to 32-bit... now we are at 32-bit to 64-bit and it worries me it glitchy times again [22:04] for a lot of year between on have been full 32-bit on slackware.. .been good years of computer with little trouble [22:04] foobarz: I've been using 64-bit Linux for years. Much of the software is fine. [22:04] and back in 1800s electricity was a mystery [22:04] There are some low points, mostly in the area of binary-only software or emulation (game system emulators and Wine come to mind.) [22:05] Those can generally be worked around by the use of 32-bit compatibility libraries - alienBOB has great documentation on that front. [22:05] if you're concerned about 'server grade' stuff, you'd be deploying it in testing envrionment already, and testing. [22:06] LnxSlck (1000@92.250.80.71) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:06] jkwood: are you meaning that M.A.M.E. doesn't work on 64-bit? [22:07] Actually, MAME may work fine. [22:08] It depends on whether the software includes any x86 assembly code. [22:08] jkwood: oh... assembly codes [22:09] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-195.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:09] jkwood: you think that wine uses assembly language? i didn't think about that [22:09] I doubt that it does [22:10] Wine doesn't, but it has to be compiled 32-bit to support 32-bit Windows software. [22:10] Action: NaCl was about to say that [22:11] I do use Wine on my multilib setup of 64-bit Slackware without problem. [22:11] oh i see... wine is executing 32-bit windows binaries... so wine has 32-bit issues of some kind... that makes some sense.... then like, what if you had a wine64, then it runs 64-bit windows binaries ? [22:13] I believe so. They've made great progress in 64-bit support over the last couple of years, I understand. [22:13] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [22:14] chenfengyuan (~chenfengy@117.136.10.6) left irc: Quit: used jmIrc [22:14] Action: ReLeNtO ouvindo Charlie Brown Jr. - Zóio de Lula ! [quality:128kbits 44KHz time:04:10] -=[Cyber]=- [22:14] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:14] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [22:15] ReLeNtO: I highly recommend you configure your client not to say that here. You're likely to get kicked. [22:15] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:15] ohhhh am sorry [22:15] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:15] foobarz: I'm building advancemame at the moment, I believe it'll work just fine. Other emulators are hit and miss (snes_gtk works, I know, but others are very iffy.) [22:16] even in linux 32-bit, applications to run is more limited than windows... and then to run 64-bit linux you lose even more applications... that gets me worried that i will then be running a very nice, but not so useful OS [22:16] ReLeNtO: It happens. No worries. =) [22:16] =] [22:18] jkwood: if have xmame... i have a small number of 1980s games i like to play on rare occasion but like that I can run them [22:19] argh. then don't run 64 bit [22:19] xmame? I may have that. [22:20] in fact, switch to 16bit. i hear it's even more stable [22:20] And while you're trying that, try 8 [22:20] Hmm... I guess not. No SlackBuild for that. [22:20] Which won't stop me, of course. [22:22] ananke: sorry how I am imbecile-like... you like 64-bit a lot, i can tell... i may just go for 64-bit still... i will be quiet about it soon... it is painful to ask about really [22:22] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:23] it's not about me liking 64 bit or not. it's the fact that you keep asking about it, yet you do not want to accept the answer. just try it for yourself, see what happens. you'll waste less time [22:24] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] maddslacker (~corey@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] what command do I use to display all the info on the system RAM? [22:26] dchmelik: dmidecode [22:26] thanks [22:26] dchmelik: What info, exactly? [22:27] like what size the DIMMs are, how fast they are, etc. [22:28] wow, dmidecode... nice command... i have a lot to learn [22:29] abiko (500@88.207.4.247) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:29] when I do 'dmidecode -t 6' it only says the BIOS name but nothing else [22:30] maybe I need -t 16 or something [22:30] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [22:30] rworkman, recompiling mythtv libfaad fixed the aac playback issue [22:30] foobarz: Looks like xmame is a dead project. There are alternatives available at SlackBuilds.org, though, that should work just as well. [22:31] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [22:31] jkwood: thanks, advancemame must be one of those alternatives? [22:31] Yeah, I believe I've used it in the past to great effect. [22:32] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) joined ##slackware. [22:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:32] heya,folks [22:32] telperion (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [22:34] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:34] apparently I have some memory installed wrong [22:34] I hope that is not going to mess it up [22:35] dchmelik: dmidecode can output junk (at least it says so in the man page... I've never seen problems) [22:35] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:35] I looked in my system board manual [22:35] for some reason if I install three of four DIMMS, the third has to be in the last slot [22:35] i just looked at my memory with dmidecode -t memory... i have old ECC memory SDRAM PC-100 or PC-133... total bits are 72, data width 64... what part of this information tells me about the ECC function and status? [22:36] dchmelik, prolly do to dual channel and stuff [22:36] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:36] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.133.216) joined ##slackware. [22:38] oh well i am running it on 10-year old computer... maybe dmidecode can't read this old stuff 100% [22:39] foobarz, can you demidecode -t 16? http://linuxator.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/using-dmidecode-to-find-out-what-memory-chips-you-have/ [22:40] heya MLanden, how's it going? [22:40] whoops..dmidecode* [22:40] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] heya,fire|bird....goin' smooth for the night thanks.....yourself? [22:41] MLanden: going alright, thanks. :) [22:41] MLanden: it says "Error Correction Type: None" but that can't be right i have ecc rams and ecc enabled in my bios [22:42] foobarz, what is your mobo? [22:42] MLanden: ASUS P3V4X for slot-1 (i think) Intel Pentium III-800MHZ [22:44] MLanden: i have 2x 512MB rams installed (it says they are double channel or something with -t memory), and another 128MB stick in bank3 (single channel), and bank 4 is empty no stick in it [22:44] foobarz, lookin' at the manual for that mobo right now [22:46] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [22:49] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [22:49] slakmagik (~j@adsl-162-130-199.rmo.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:53] MLanden: the option for ecc enable in in the bios Advanced Chipset Configuration screen when you go to the bottom and scroll [22:53] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:53] fjchou (slackware@125-225-139-15.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.49.182) joined ##slackware. [22:54] foobarz: it is below the "Memory Hole" option [22:55] foobarz, ok...must of been implemented on a BIOS upgrade [22:56] anyone encounter JBD: barrier-based sync failed on cciss!c0d1p1-8 - disabling barriers type errors ? [22:56] or might be specific to the make and model [22:57] i know i could disable barries but.. [22:57] foobarz, what's the version of the bios? [22:58] Oh wow... ioquake3 comes with a SlackBuild. That's completely awesome. [22:59] MLanden: i think the last version... maybe a beta bios [23:01] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:01] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] mtkoan (~mtkoan@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] foobarz, are all 3 sticks pc133? [23:03] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:03] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [23:03] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [23:04] MLanden: actually, I'm not sure they are all pc133.. could be pc100 [23:04] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [23:04] MLanden: my cpu is p3-800E ... 100 MHZ FSB version [23:05] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:05] gm152_ (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] MLanden: External Clock: 100 MHz [23:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] what if my BIOS is detecting some new DIMMs, but dmidecode is not? [23:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [23:07] foobarz: Looks like advancemame works just fine, though if you want a gui, you'll have to go with sdlmame (building that now.) [23:08] fjchou (slackware@125-225-139-15.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: away [23:08] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] like when I run dmidecode -t 17, it only shows the old DIMMs, and for the rest says 'no module installed,' though the BIOS counted it.... [23:09] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [23:09] skalkoto_ (~skalkoto@ppp079166030156.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:10] tallship (~tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:10] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:11] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:13] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:13] perfect_circle (~skalkoto@ppp079166002126.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:13] foobarz, are the 3 sticks sound(no errors) after a memory check(memtest86+)? [23:14] MLanden: it boots with no memory error or beeps... i never ran any memtest86+ on them [23:15] MLanden: is memtest86+ on the slackware install DVD? [23:15] foobarz, no...it has it's own live cd [23:16] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [23:16] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:16] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:16] hi =P [23:16] MLanden: i think maybe I should download that memtest86... I will want to run it on my new system when I am playing with it [23:16] im using slackware64 current, updated to the latest, and i cant load the radeon driver, i get this: [23:17] foobarz, or you can use the version on UBCD...it's got DBAN on it as well [23:17] FATAL: Error inserting radeon (/lib/modules/2.6.33/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.ko): Invalid module format [23:17] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] foobarz, http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ [23:17] do you know something about that ? [23:20] juan--d-_-b: Did you update your kernel without rebuilding your ati driver? [23:21] jkwood: mmm is the xorg driver, not the fglrx [23:21] MLanden: that has a lot of stuff on it, maybe I get that [23:21] juan--d-_-b, try the generic kernel? [23:21] juan--d-_-b: Ah, I see. [23:21] juan--d-_-b, I had that issue and generic kernel fixed me right up [23:22] foobarz, it's a real nice swiss army knife...:P [23:22] ok im going to try that, brb [23:22] follow the readme in /boot [23:23] maddslacker: readme.initrd ? [23:23] yes sir [23:23] I followed it, added xfs in my case, worked on the first try [23:24] Kamel- (klo_549@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: [23:25] mtkoan (~mtkoan@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:26] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Quit: rebooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot [23:26] You'll never take my huge-smp away from me! [23:27] ok brb [23:28] foobarz, can't think what might be keeping dmidecode from not seeing the ECC tag [23:28] jkwood, lol [23:29] Ya know, for being willing to spend hours working on scripts to force software to build, I sure am lazy. [23:29] unless one of the sticks was mislabeled...happened sometimes [23:32] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:35] MLanden: yeah, I'm not sure either... unless it is some problem with mixing 3 sticks, 2x 512MB and 1x 128MB, like they are not fully compatible and mess up ECC [23:36] MLanden: i could try to open the box and just remove that little 128MB stick and see happens... but i'm not actually having problems and i'm going to "retire" this computer soon anyway [23:37] foobarz, could be...some ASUS board were just picky like that [23:38] MLanden: the 512 sticks are the exact same, if it is going to work and show "ECC" in the dmidecode, it should with those two [23:38] MLanden: next time i happen to open this maybe i try pulling that out and see... not urgent [23:39] foobarz, hear ya...good luck on the discovery [23:39] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [23:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:41] the kernel also detects some of my new RAM, but dmidecode does not [23:42] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:42] sorry of this is not slackware-topic.. but has anyone in here have experience running a virtualized guest OS install of Windows 7 and getting 3d acceleration DirectX games to run fast? [23:43] fjchou (slackware@125-225-139-15.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] yes, except the games [23:43] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:43] dchmelik: where in the kernel do you see a ram report? [23:44] what does the "-ng" found at the end of many package names mean? [23:44] maddslacker: oh.. you have run Windows 7 in virtual guest OS on slackware? [23:44] foobarz, yup, with VT and 3d graphics acceleration [23:44] but I'm not a gamer so I can't speak to performance [23:45] maddslacker: what virtualization software did you use? [23:45] virtualbox [23:45] is it ok to leave a gps connected to the car charger when the car is off? [23:46] foobarz, I saw it in dmesg [23:46] nooper: That depends almost entirely on the state of your battery, the draw of the gps, and the length of time you leave it. [23:47] In my truck, I can leave most things on overnight without much problem. Other vehicles will die if I, for example, plug my phone in overnight. [23:47] nooper, my car shuts off the cig lighter when I turn off the cr [23:49] thanks guys. i'll check if it shuts off the lighter with the car or not [23:49] Many newer cars have auto shutoff, if the battery level approaches the cars stated "minimum amperage" the car's computer will disable as much electrical components as it can. [23:50] maddslacker: you had to install "windows guest additions" to get the accelerated directX? [23:50] yes [23:50] maddslacker: what kind of video card do you use? [23:51] latemus: "next-generation" [23:51] it's a laptop, so Intel 4500 [23:51] nothing special [23:55] float foo=1.61803; float bar=3.14159; [23:56] macius (~macius@i209-195-85-48.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:57] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] hey, im doing slackpkg upgrades and realized the mirror i was using was missing alot of files, so i changed mirrors everything seems to be going, could the cause my kernel to be out of sync with certain modules? [23:57] there is another virtualization called Xen, and QEMU, and then VirtualBox... so how do I choose which is the best to use? [23:57] try them all? [23:58] or are the mirrors hosting generally the same files [23:58] maddslacker: did you try them all? and then use virtualbox? [23:58] foobarz: QEMU is fast and traditional, VirtualBox is easy to use, Xen is more meant for servers. [23:58] I've used qemu, it's good for some things [23:58] xen is not as good as vbox, IMO [23:58] and there's also vmware [23:59] i hope to use open source.. they are all open source i think, except vmware [23:59] Xen is handy for virtual slices. [00:00] --- Sat Mar 6 2010