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[00:14] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:15] 01:26 < arenics> omg, this os have users oO [00:15] 01:30 < Triskelios> actually we just get together here to make fun of it [00:15] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:16] considering they had a conference Oct last year I will wager they do have users. though I am sure it is a small base [00:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:19] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:19] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [00:21] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [00:21] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.5) joined ##slackware. [00:23] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-55-210.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:55] datace: you can create it using a text editor or perhaps by running xorgconfig i believe [00:56] datace: is there a reason why you need it ? you're not supposed to need it anymore now [00:56] datace: X -configure [00:56] datace: only needed if you have some need that doesn't work - like a binary-only driver or multiple screens that are messed up [00:57] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:c05a:be1b:2082:c2f) joined ##slackware. [00:57] datace: just type it [00:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:00] I need to enable my video card hardwawre. after reading some manuals I found out that xorg.conf can help me. When I ran as root in termina " X -configure " (Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. [01:00] do it [01:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:01] datace: are you running X now ? [01:01] if not, just remove (rm -f /tmp/.X0-lock [01:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:01] I use startx after logging in my user account [01:02] get back to the console mode [01:02] and try again [01:02] X -configure [01:02] devil__ (~devil@189-55-1-236-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [01:03] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:06] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:06] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:09] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:56] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:59] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [02:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:04] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [02:04] hmm, you can't blacklist *_SBo modules in slackpkg ? [02:07] PiterPunk: can you use wildcards in the slackpkg blacklist file? well, i tried putting "*_SBo" anyway [02:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:09] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [02:09] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:11] fhobia: no, can't. Patches are really welcome -:) [02:12] :) ok [02:12] mindbndr (~neveragai@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:14] Nick change: tuvok302Lappy -> W00PATE [02:14] Nick change: W00PATE -> tuvok302 [02:14] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:17] whoah, i expected slackpkg was in C or something [02:17] i guess that would be overkill [02:17] hey, i think i could patch this! [02:22] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:26] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:30] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:31] AusLoki (~TheSecret@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] how can I get interactive shells for use in terminals to inherrit LS_COLORS ? [02:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:32] define LS_COLORS in one of the startup files relevant to interactive shells ? [02:32] i can never get it straight without checking the man page [02:32] bash_profile or bashrc or ... [02:33] its in "man bash" though [02:33] well [02:33] no [02:33] because all the shells inherit as a login shell [02:33] just not as an interactive shell [02:34] defingint it manually seems like a dirty hack [02:35] ok, well, i double checked and it says "When bash is invokedas an interactive login shell.... .bash_profile" [02:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:35] am i reading it wrong? [02:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:44] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [02:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:47] steinberg (~steinberg@67.23.167.36) left irc: Quit: Quit [02:48] fhobia: not reading it wrong...but iw ant it to use /etc/profile [02:49] I want the config to be system wide, not per user [02:49] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. 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[03:35] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:40] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [03:40] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:45] Anyone got any bright ideas why CUPS gives me a 403 and no errors in log? I'm not getting prompted for the basic auth either. [03:45] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:46] Is it wrong to freebase sugar? [03:46] 403 is a perm error [03:46] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-046.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:46] mancha: im not sure about that [03:47] I hate cups so much. [03:47] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:48] Even if I put allow on all entries it gives me 403 [03:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:49] did it ever work? [03:49] not on slackware no [03:49] I have cups working on a debian and two archlinux boxes [03:49] they pretty much worked right out of the box, did not have to edit anything [03:49] ok, firstly, do you have cups running? [03:49] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [03:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:50] mancha: if it did run I'd get a "unable to connect" [03:50] nestat shows it listening at the LAN interface port 631 [03:50] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: zips out the windows on his grappling hook [03:50] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] okay so you go to http://localhost:631 ? [03:51] no, I changed the interface to the LAN address [03:51] it's listening on 192.168.0.9 [03:51] does it work on localhost? [03:51] yes [03:51] but I dont want it on localhost [03:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:52] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [03:52] that's not the purpose of my question [03:52] this whole cups web bullshit interface pretends to be safe by restricting interfaces and using basic auth... pff. [03:52] you see when debugging it is not good to have a butt-fucking-zillion variables, capische? [03:52] so if it worked on localhost and doesn't on 192.168.0.9 this is relevant info. comprende? [03:53] mancha: but the fact that it works under localhost does not resolve the issue of me trying to get it working on 1926* [03:53] ok, good luck, i am not patient enough for this tonight... [03:53] mancha: thanks for the "help" [03:53] ya get what you pay for [03:54] it was very useful obtaining the knowledge that 403 is permanent, which isn't true [03:54] hehe [03:55] perm was short for permission not permanent. were you dropped as a child? :) [03:55] I think he ment PERMissions. [03:55] or the hair style [03:55] mancha: well, why dont you state something else that is obvious, readily available information [03:56] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [03:56] trhodes: what is "perm" the hairstyle really a short for? [03:56] permission hair? [03:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:56] Coke you're not doing well. [03:56] permanent afaik [03:56] Spell i cup. [03:57] Some people just don't really make you wanna help them.... [03:57] [03:57] trhodes: hm. we should reinvent that. a permantent hairstyle should be one that once you get it, you die with it [03:58] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:58] morning lads o/ [03:58] mancha, luckily this time, we can save paper... [03:58] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:59] new green advert: save a tree, keep a n00b off CUPS [03:59] morning [03:59] :) [03:59] Action: phrag thinks he will construct an apple slim mouse to mimik the one his boss uses and swap it when he's not looking [03:59] mancha: guess we're all cups noobs [03:59] 2b00bs 1 cup [03:59] I think that would be morally justifiable to not help those with printers. [03:59] i dont want it, just to see his face when it's been replaced by a paper inmatation [04:00] Our printers should all print on hemp anyways. Jeez... [04:00] apple makes such nice looking HW it is annoying! [04:00] Maque sucks. [04:00] my boss just brought an ipad to the office. meh. [04:00] byteframe: dude, if I could in any way shape or form persuade the users to refrain from printing I would. [04:00] have you seen those aluminum kb's? [04:00] :) knees up with the ipad ? [04:00] but the software inside it is very impressive. [04:01] Coke, can you not access cups web admin? [04:01] http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/27/0020257/Paper-Manufacturer-Launches-Print-More-Campaign?art_pos=2 [04:01] tuvok302 (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-227.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [04:01] Coke I can't read. [04:01] byteframe: yeah, I can, but only for localhost. If I change the listen from localhost to 192.168.0.9 I get 403 [04:01] http://www.ipadkneesup.com/ [04:02] In short, there's a company that has launched a campaign where they add "Print to your heart's content" or something like that in their e-mail signatures instead of the "Think before printing" [04:02] Yadda, yadda. [04:02] "Responsible forresting" [04:02] they call it [04:03] 403 is a permanent hairdo thing [04:03] they were big on "we take care of the forests" before someone pointed out that forests pretty much take care of themselves if you leave them alone [04:03] Morn [04:04] good morning Zordrak [04:04] the UN distributes a report on the state of deforestation around the world on a 600+ page document (say what?) [04:04] Coke: lending them a hand every so often doesn't hurt, and can actually make things safer. See: controlled burns. [04:04] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [04:04] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [04:05] LSD`: i dunno. the best forests I've ever been in are the ones in pristine condition [04:05] we have a few wildlife sanctuaries here that kicks the living shit out of the plantation forests [04:06] Allow From would solve all [04:06] Zordrak: morning [04:07] mancha: yeah I found that too [04:07] mancha: was just experimenting with the scope it's used in, seems like there's no way of making it global [04:09] There's no diversity in plantations, that's why. I don't know what it's like in overseas, but over here controlled burns not only clear out all the leaf litter and what not making it easier to control bushfires, but they also encourage new grwoth. A number of species of Eucalypt actually drop their seeds in fires [04:10] LSD`: we very few fires like that here [04:10] allow from did not help my situation [04:11] "cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided." [04:11] you are wrong [04:12] it changed the situation, which means something [04:13] my situation is still the same [04:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:15] Coke: The colder climate reduces the possibility I imagine. They're an ongoing problem over here, but on this side of the country at least we take steps to minimise the risk. I don't think we've ever had anything as bad as this on my side of the continent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires [04:16] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [04:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Ok. There we go. cups admin stuff MAY do ok now. [04:18] LSD`: yeah, I understand you guys are heavily plagued by fires [04:19] but they aren't really a problem for forests as much as for people [04:20] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-89-216-216-13.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [04:20] dan_ (~dan@112.198.220.135) joined ##slackware. [04:20] Hello, guys. [04:20] If installing " nvidia driver " through " sbopkg " from slacbuilds.org will enbale my graphics card hardware after rebooting? [04:20] Does anyone know how to install eclipse in slackware? [04:21] datace: you dont even ahve to reboot [04:21] dan, simple enough [04:21] datace, http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/04/09/configuring-nvidia-cards-on-slackware/ [04:21] mancha, can you teach me? [04:21] : [04:21] datace: im not sure exactly what the nvidia sbo package will do, but basically, you can reload the driver and just restart X. [04:21] dan, you might want to look at the build script on SBo [04:22] slava_dp: :) [04:22] Zordrak, ;-) [04:22] mancha, since I'm new to slackware, can you give some pointers? [04:22] dan, eclipse is a repackaging effort, so it's just abot putting things in the right place [04:22] slava_dp: datace has been in here for weeks asking the same thing and has been given all the instructions he needs several times over [04:22] LSD`: holy fudge, those are some big plumes of grey smoke coming up there [04:22] Coke - Do I need to configure xorg.conf? [04:23] datace: it depends if you use xorg.conf or not [04:23] oh, ok. i've been on vacation :) [04:23] datace: Read the link [04:23] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/eclipse/ [04:23] datace: AGAIN [04:23] datace: Stop bugging us for this same information [04:23] Its there [04:23] use it or dont [04:23] datace: if you run with xorg.conf you need to change the device driver [04:24] But xorg.conf is missing. Is it by default after slack13 installation? [04:24] slackware 13 uses a hal aware X that guesses emyfing [04:24] datace: you might be using HAL [04:25] unless you put an xorg.conf there it won't use one [04:25] datace: in theory you should be able to simply load the proper nvidia driver and it will use it [04:25] datace: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/04/09/configuring-nvidia-cards-on-slackware/ [04:25] Haw hard is it to read that? [04:25] Honestly? [04:25] Out. [04:26] on a scale from 1 to 10 I give it a 3 in difficulty. [04:26] anyone knows how to change the time format to 12 hours? [04:26] i give datace an 11 in difficulty [04:26] I'm using slackware 13 [04:26] the default font used is a bit small [04:26] dan_: system wide? [04:26] Coke: Ctrl+WheelUp :) [04:26] dan_: ntpdate [04:27] Zordrak: I consider that cheating. [04:27] Thank u slackers.. :) [04:27] dan_: you know about locales? [04:27] you can either set specific locale options, like collation, monetary, date, time etc or just set LC_ALL [04:28] dan_ time format in what? kde? what? [04:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:28] heh, I remember when it was as simple as installing a couple of RPMs and changing "nv" in the XF86Config you prepeard earlier with xf86config and that was it :P [04:28] mancha, yes. I'm using KDE [04:29] I named my new slack server "megatron", but seeing trailers of the new movies I think that was a mistake [04:29] oh dunno, but there should be an option [04:29] dan_: you can either right click the clock to change only the clock format or you can enter the regional settings [04:29] or you can change your system locale [04:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:29] in which case it will change the settings for ALL environments [04:30] Coke, no settings to change the time format. I've got only the military time format. [04:30] dan_: thats it [04:30] Coke, There is no settings for the time format. [04:30] dan_: did you set it to military time format? [04:31] tilimary [04:31] Coke, the default format is military time format. Don't know where to change it. I've already tried the settings but no option to change the format. [04:34] dan_: oh, you want am/pm ? [04:34] dan_: KDE has some regional settings [04:35] Coke, nope. I want to change it to 12 format. [04:35] dan_: but I'd change the system locales since I'd probably want the same format regardless of desktop environment [04:35] 12 is am/pm ;) [04:35] and "military" is 24 [04:35] LSD`: Oh, yeah. [04:37] dan_: all the forums I google say the same thing; right click clock and simply change format [04:37] http://geekconnection.pbworks.com/f/1178228830/Edit_clock3.png [04:37] that looks like windows though [04:38] obviously, I dont use KDE, so this is guess work [04:38] it was, however, the FIRST image found on google "kde time format" [04:38] It's possibly KDE on Windows. KDE4 was supposed to make it easier to port around like that. [04:40] dan_ (~dan@112.198.220.135) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:42] or use ntpupdate [04:43] wario: does ntpudpate actually change the format? [04:43] yes [04:43] how? [04:43] does it change the locale vars? [04:43] ntpupdat us.pool.ntp.org [04:44] it should be in sync with the bios [04:44] usually [04:44] wario: huh? 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[04:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:53] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) got lost in the net-split. [04:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:57] :-) [04:57] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [04:58] suppers [04:58] suppers? [04:59] depends on if your a pascifist or an aggresor [04:59] Oak: it means supz0rs manooch [04:59] supper? eat? [05:00] good boy adrien [05:00] adrien: ref: "sup?" [05:00] yay - bluez in -current [05:00] bluez4, ftw? [05:00] yes [05:00] and blueman! [05:00] Nick change: Oak -> alreadygone [05:00] mancha: how was your yesterday lunch... ? =) [05:01] translation [05:01] what's up with yourself? [05:01] anybody gets intel acceleration glitches on -current? if I enable kde effects, my X crashes randomly. [05:01] sadly, I guess there won't be xorg-server-1.8 in 13.1 =/ [05:01] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [05:01] didn't crash before the latest updates. [05:01] slava_dp: latest are from less than an hour ago ;-) [05:01] Action: slava_dp goes to look [05:02] ^^ [05:02] oh, cool. will update and report back. [05:03] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-89-216-216-13.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:04] alienBOB: initrd.img rebuilt: "changed the NFS mount command .. to work with the new nfs-utils" [05:04] alienBOB: what changed in nfs-utils to make a change needed in the installer script? [05:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:06] I'll soon be physically away from a computer that sometimes panicks (I still don't know what the problem is), is there a way to get the computer to automatically reboot in case it panicks? [05:07] adrien: i think theres a /sys or /proc var you can set [05:07] latemus (~m@c-24-10-210-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:07] Zordrak: a watchdog? [05:08] no.. a sysctl thing for reboot on panic [05:08] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:09] adrien: why don't you mend the panic? [05:09] Sounds real serious [05:09] hmm - slackware.mirrors.tds.net doesn't have the latest updates yet [05:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:09] echo 5 > /proc/sys/kernel/panic [05:09] thats the one [05:10] ok, thanks, gonna try [05:10] Coke: really hard to trigger (can take weeks) and I can't get a backtrace, I tried kexec but haven't managed to use it yet [05:10] also, I don't have a lot of time left before I leave =/ [05:10] adrien: sounds like HW failure [05:10] check your memory? [05:11] no, I doubt it is that [05:11] adrien: how come? [05:11] I'm almost sure it's a problem with the module for my ethernet "card" [05:11] and the hardware is almost [05:11] new [05:11] adrien: weirder shit has happened [05:11] Did you know that people actually PAY for Windows? [05:12] technically speaking, I did last month [05:12] I can't get a backtrace because the screen is always off when the kernel panics =/ [05:12] bought a new netbook & it had win7 starter on it (no choice in the matter) [05:13] alphageek, get a refund :) [05:13] tried getting a refund? [05:13] too slow ;-) [05:13] alphageek: you have choice [05:13] 1) buy a lappy without windows, 2) dont buy a lappy [05:14] I googled for the refund stuff.. that much trouble to get $20 isn't worth my time [05:14] last computer I bought with windows on it was in 2004. by mistake [05:14] what's this refund stuff? [05:14] you can get a refund? [05:14] technically, yes [05:15] To be honest, I don't really see hte pont in fighting for a Windows refund. It's not *that* much money (around USD$50) or so and the effort you go to to get it would be better spent in getting whatever OS you do want up and running. [05:15] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:15] *nod* [05:15] How to exit X? [05:16] is one way [05:16] ctrl+alt+backspace [05:16] s/exit/kill/ :) [05:16] quick question, if using iwconfig, how do you specify the key for a wireless lan? [05:16] I am trying to install nvidia driver, it says that I have to exit from X [05:17] LSD`: up to 100 EUR [05:17] LSD`: for me it's not about the money [05:17] I don't want to pay microsoft tax just because I use computers [05:17] and the more people ask, the easier it will become [05:17] Coke: that makes it even less worth the hassle [05:17] jrodger, for wep, enter the key in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf; for wpa, edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [05:17] jrodger, this will only work for WEP: iwconfig wlan0 blah blah key abcde-fghi-jk [05:18] thanks slava, will try that. tried that mancha, said it didn't recognise the key [05:18] if you need to specify a WPA passphrase you will need a supplicant. so since you asked for iwconfig i assume this is WEP [05:18] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:18] looks like he managed to leave X ^^ [05:18] jrodger WEP, yes? [05:18] heh [05:19] mancha, yes with WEP [05:19] jrodger: save yourself a lot of headaches - use wicd [05:19] jrodger, paste your full iwconfig line [05:20] LSD`: to you perhaps [05:20] LSD`: but I don't support Microsoft, period [05:20] hint: WEP has been vulnerable for ages and can be cracked in no time, don't use it. [05:20] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [05:20] They've done everything they can to make my life as miserable as possible, I won't pay them. [05:21] ##windows [05:21] iwconfig wlan0 essid "suntory" key thisis128bit [05:21] Coke: I don't care enough to let it bother me that much. I did once, but I haven't been 15 for a long time. [05:21] did you use dashes as i said? [05:22] btw, any way to generate lots of crappy packets on a network interface? [05:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:22] what is the error you get when you type that? [05:23] LSD`: I hardly think it's an age factor considering the avarage age of political advocates on my side [05:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:23] mancha, the key is onelong string [05:24] Coke: You mean teh ones that wore tie-dyed clothing, drove VW buses and smoked pot to protest teh war? They all grew up too, mostly. [05:24] LSD`: no, I'm talking about the huge organisations like FSF, OSI and GNU [05:24] wertik_rus (wertik@212.33.3.98) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:26] LSD`: I'm not on a rampage, I just refuse to help the corporation that try their very best to make every day of work less enjoyable. [05:26] Coke: A lot of them need to grow up too [05:26] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:26] LSD`: why does it have to do with adulthood? [05:26] Is being and adult the same as being lathargic or apathetic? [05:27] Disengaging the world completely, shutting the fuck up and always picking the easy route, regardless of personal principles and moral beleifs is adulthood for you? [05:27] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [05:27] Learning to pick your battles has nothing to do with apathy or lethargy [05:30] Hoogin (1000@109.58.39.103.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [05:30] he's either typing a novel in response or he's given up [05:31] either way, EPIC IRONY [05:31] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [05:31] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:32] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.104) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:32] "Do kids have as much fun in kiddery as adults do in adultery?" [05:32] How to exit from X server, I'm trying to install nvidia driver... "ctrl+alt+backspace " wont work, what other alternatives for exiting from X? [05:33] open a terminal, login as root, "killall X" [05:33] better if you can ssh into your box from another machine or use a virtual console () [05:33] datace: it won't work? X starts again or does it do nothing? [05:33] what graphical environment are you using? blackbox, kde, xfce, foo? [05:34] And to to turn back X? [05:34] How? [05:34] as root in console type "startx" [05:35] turn back? [05:35] If I were to buy a laptop with Windows (it's a non-issue with desktops since you just build your own and avoid the problem entirely) installed and wanted to run something else, then it would have been cheap enough or expensive enough to make it not worth bothering getting my money back instead of or as well as simply installing whatever OS I wanted to run when I got it home [05:36] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.62.244) joined ##slackware. [05:37] if I read that convoluted prose correctly (confidence 10), I couldn't agree more [05:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [05:37] still waiting to be able to build my own laptop [05:38] heh [05:38] adrien: you already kinda can, it's just overpriced and not really worth it [05:38] at least it'd have proper cooling... [05:38] yeah [05:38] I've tried explaining to my wife I prefer not to support something I don't want AND don't use when I buy a laptop, but her response is always "but it's cheaper" [05:38] actually Shuttle was trying to make some kind of standard for components, it would have allowed you to build your own laptop [05:38] datace, try 'init 3' and 'init 4' [05:39] was shown at CES 2010 but I don't know what is the current state [05:39] buried, most likely [05:39] alisonken1noc: and _even_ cheaper if you can get a refund ;-) [05:39] it was only a few months ago [05:39] but yeah, I don't think we'll see that this year... [05:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:40] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [05:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:43] anyone uses dwm here? [05:43] adrien (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:44] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:44] LSD`: again, not a matter of money [05:45] LSD`: and picking your battles is a matter of personal taste [05:45] If it's not about the money then you're just wasting time and effort on a minor victory that means nothing in the grand scheme of things [05:46] Zordrak: try a NFS mount with the new nfs-utils... it will fail with "connection refused" [05:46] LSD`: this could be said about individual garbage sorting etc [05:46] and lives actually... [05:46] You will have to add "-o vers=3" to the mount command because the new mount defaults to using nfs4 [05:46] And that does not work with Slackware's NFS server [05:46] why should I not flush down mercury in my toilet when corporations put more mercury in the ocean than I can in a lifetime? [05:47] alienBOB: hello mr alien :) [05:47] alienBOB: right, thanks. Have come across that problem already with sles/rhel clients [05:48] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:50] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:50] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:50] adrien: wb [05:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:51] :-) [05:52] Coke: That's only a question if you deal with a lot of mercury :P Seriously though, buying your laptop, bringing it home and putting whatever OS you want on it is far less hassle than adding getting your Windows refund to it as well, especially when you say it's not about the money [05:53] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [05:54] LSD`: by your logic you don't vote since your individual vote is only worth a fraction of a million anyway [05:54] LSD`: but yeah, I agree. [05:55] Buy computers without windows to begin with is much easier. [05:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:55] (and a better message to the vendor selling the hardware) [05:55] I'm still waiting for HP machines with preinstalled Slack [05:55] Claim the victory where you an, don't worry about it if you can't [05:56] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-046.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [05:56] preinstalled slack haha.... not gonna happen [05:56] slava_dp: I know. [05:57] I have a theory about the IT industry. [05:57] The better a technological sollution is, the less chance it has of becoming mainstream [05:57] I cannot say why this is the case, but the world is overflowed with "winners" that are technically, practically and often economically inferior to the "losers" [05:57] the better a technological solution is - the better chance MS has of killing it [05:58] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:58] alisonken1noc: its not only MS [05:58] mindbendr (~neveragai@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:58] Compare iPhone VS n900. It looks like a no contestn; the iPhone is a toy, n900 is a PROPER desktop computer [05:58] the n900 is about 150 euro cheaper [05:58] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:59] is anyone there using vnc2flv as screen video taker ? [05:59] Coke: its why i got a E90 last time around [05:59] Zordrak: mm. but still, iPhone is winning the sales numbers [05:59] Coke: ease of use and an email utility that actually works. nuff said [06:00] Zordrak: ?? [06:00] Zordrak: n900 does that better than iphone [06:00] Only, without lock-down and drop-in advertisment [06:00] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [06:00] Nokia's email handling has always been shite.. i dont know if theyve addressed that in the n900 but with my e90, any more than a couple of imap folders and it chokes [06:01] apple's screen is better than nokia's [06:01] Zordrak: there's a huge difference with e90 and n900 [06:01] touchscreen stuff [06:01] n900 is a real linux computer [06:01] mancha: I disagree [06:01] mancha: there's no noticable difference in how you use it [06:01] I've owned both [06:01] mancha: hell no. My e90 has an 800px wide screen and full kb (even with \ | key) and i wouldnt want to ssh from anything else [06:01] I ditched my iCrap in favor of the n900 which is WAY more capable than any other phone right now [06:01] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:01] and the n900 might run linux (either the native maemo or some other arm port) but... [06:02] there are ease of use and market penetration things that make the iStuff sell more [06:02] iPhone is not more user friendly than n900 [06:02] Now, we might be getting a touch subjective herre [06:02] i'm really unlucky today on 264 connected people no one is using vnc2flv :( [06:02] Coke: a touch? [06:03] anyone uses dwm here? [06:03] But here's what my friend said after getting a FREE iPhone "I tried it for 2 days, but it is completely USELESS for my everyday work compared to the N900" [06:03] so if you're a non power user, you might not see any benefits to the n900 [06:03] plus its bulkier [06:03] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:03] mancha: yeah, it is bulkier, that's it's only drawback. and it's black [06:03] Apple people want white shit [06:03] No matter how much more money they pay for LESS hardware and softwre, they must have it [06:03] Coke: plus.. its better for work.. but so many people spend more time playing than working [06:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:04] Zordrak: yeah. like I said, iPhone is a toy [06:04] and the new Apple restraints on development for it sucks ass [06:04] Coke: and what web browser does the n900 have [06:04] is it still the nokia developed shite thats on the e90? [06:04] Zordrak: regular firefox with all the bells and whistles [06:05] FF and webkit [06:05] well thats good [06:05] It's a Debian system for ARM [06:05] Perhaps its worth looking at then [06:05] Zordrak: if you're working with your phone, yes [06:05] Otherwise get a phone for 1 euro at any supermarket [06:05] one thing i like about apple's restrictions is they fucked adobe up the bum [06:05] aw wty... theyve taken away the bloody \| key [06:05] i *need*that key [06:06] mancha: Apple is lower on my list now than Microsoft [06:06] flash is no longer gonna be developed for the iStuff [06:06] WinCE is absolute shit, but at least it's a better system than the iPhone uses. From a developers standpoint [06:06] mancha: html 5 was gonna put flash out of commision anyway [06:06] which alongside Google's diss of flash, should be nailing that coffin shutsoon [06:06] one can only hope, mancha [06:07] i expect vp8 to be opened soon [06:07] and i predict mozilla will fully support it... [06:07] the only people who will ever develop stuff for iPhone are greedy IT-whores who enjoy getting pimp slapped by Apple [06:07] mancha: what is vp8? [06:08] Coke: or y'know.. people who like making moneyp [06:08] *money [06:08] Zordrak: yeah, greedy IT-whores [06:08] a video codec made by the company google just recently bought [06:08] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-046.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [06:08] the ones who make the video codecs used by skype et al [06:08] mancha: aha. I thought skype used h264 [06:08] no, they use vpX forget which one [06:08] I've tried a fair bit of streaming using Theora, it's pretty nice [06:09] vp8 blows ogg outta the water [06:09] I dont understand why it hasn't caught on. Google is usually pretty technical (except with Android) [06:09] mancha: well, ogg is the container [06:09] yes, i mean ogg/theora for vid [06:09] because google just aquired vp8 and still has to look at legal issues? [06:09] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [06:09] it can't compete with h264 or vp8 [06:09] mancha: if it's so good, how come they haven't done anything that is even remotely as good as speex or vorbis? [06:10] Coke, does "patents" ring a bell? [06:10] alisonken1noc: no. speex and vorbis are free for skype developers to use [06:10] Nvidia driver installer is looking for a kernel sources? [06:10] not to mention, most people working on ogg vorbis have day jobs [06:10] as well as teampseak and all other nutjobs [06:10] datace: READ THE LINK [06:10] datace: READ IT [06:10] datace: NO, DON'T READ IT! [06:10] :) [06:10] I heard a story that anybody who reads it dies the next day [06:11] alisonken1noc: speex kicks ass. [06:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:11] alisonken1noc: I dare you to find any codec for VOIP that has a crisper sound with that modest bandwidth [06:11] to be competitive, theora would need bleeding edge RD and psy optimization among other thingsa [06:11] datace: is there something actually wrong with you? seriously? EVERYONE else, just reads the instructions and is done... youve been at this for weeks and you STILL dont even have the damn thing installed [06:11] might be theora is bad for streaming though. only tried it briefly and it was at par with the same bandwidth h264 I used previously [06:12] datace: are yau even using slackware? [06:12] it will be very difficult to do and remain patent-free. the devs have a lot of work cut out for them if they wanna upgrade theora to compete [06:12] Zordrak: don't be mean. [06:12] just a newbie.. [06:12] but I like slack [06:12] mancha: ok, if you say so. their speex, vorbis and flac codecs kick ass anyway [06:12] Coke: the guy has been asking the same questions about installing nvidia over and over and over again [06:12] mancha: I'm pretty sure that a free codec would beat the living shit out of patented ones, as is the case with basically every other technology that goes mainstream [06:12] AusLoki (~TheSecret@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:12] Zordrak: I know. Just ignore it. [06:13] Coke: he's been pointed to at least three links that detail precisely what he needs to do [06:13] don't get me wrong, i like ogg/* but theora can't compete with h264 (currently) and vp8 is gonna be close to x264 quality [06:13] I wonder when Nokia are going to get around to releasing the N900 over here? I kinda want to play with one. I don't think I'd ever buy one, it seems too much like 1 step forward, 2 back over the N810, but I want to see what they've done with it nonetheless [06:13] LSD`: never. Nokia is doomed. [06:13] They have THREE failed mobile OS of which ZERO work properly [06:13] Coke: im just trying to stop him doing the same thing to others.. cause anyone that hasnt been watching is just going to try helping him from scratch again and waste their time [06:13] Coke: That was almost a given. They got complacent and a re paying for it. [06:13] They also bought Qt but have failed to make it easily available on any of their own systems [06:13] In fact, WinCE wins once again. [06:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:14] i was so upbeat when they bought trolltech [06:14] yep [06:14] But something good came from that. [06:14] and then i was disappointed in how they managed it [06:14] :) [06:14] Maemo = worst linux dist I ever had to use (still better than Apple's shit) [06:14] Coke: Say what you like about the iPhone, but it did generate a new wave of development within the market and Nokia just didn't roll with it, they thought their position as #1 handset maker would be enough [06:14] Meego = failure before it's even started [06:14] Symbian = THE HORROR!!! [06:15] maemo worst? you should try eeepc's xandros [06:15] mancha: haha, that shit went out as soon as I had my eeepc safely at home [06:15] xandros is still better than rhel [06:15] What is Nokia's plan?? [06:15] They have no roadmap [06:15] Coke: so you know that, because you work at nokia, right? [06:15] theyve just released a brand new symbian havent they? [06:16] Coke: I think they're planning on migrating the entire N series to Maemo/Meego at some point [06:16] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [06:16] What the fuck are those expensive "experts" and decision makers doing in Finland right now? Whatever they are smoking I want in. [06:16] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:16] it's a tough market, apple is run by the devil [06:16] lw0x15: look at their list of failures. what is the plan for nokia? use Android for their phones? [06:16] you know pancreatic cancer? the thing that kills mortals in less than a year? jobs beat it. [06:16] Apple is winning the race using sub par technology [06:17] Coke: that wouldn't be the worst move they could make. Kill Symbian, Maemo and whatever and just adopt android [06:17] LSD`: indeed. [06:17] jobs has more money than the majority of pancreatic cancer victims, though [06:17] i still reckon nokia is solid [06:17] steve jobs can kill chuck norris, dude [06:17] LSD n Coke [06:17] LOL [06:17] <3 [06:17] luv u both [06:17] But then they'd have to port their toolkit to Android [06:17] *sigh* [06:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:17] LSD`: Getting Qt to run on a broken linux port for ARM using a JAva only SDK [06:18] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:18] meanwhile, Google is buttahfuggin every developer by forcing them to use shitty Java. [06:18] Apple might well become the next MSFT [06:18] in terms of evilness [06:18] mancha: they arelady are [06:18] Microsoft have less restrictions [06:19] whats msft [06:19] everything but C and perl should be banned for ever. we've had enough time now to realise they just cant be bettered [06:19] Zordrak: actually, I think allowing as many ways as possible is the only right way [06:19] Coke: true [06:19] pupit microsot [06:19] I think one of the things that make linux-based system great is the diversity [06:20] You should be more worried about Google than Apple or MS. This whole "Don't be evil" thing isn't going to last once they realise they have enough power and influence to do what they like how they like [06:20] There's almost a dist for every type of use case. A dist that someone else prepared very carefully, because they use it too. [06:20] Zordrak, PERL? [06:20] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [06:20] too much spaghetti code in perl :) [06:20] alisonken1noc: you heard me [06:20] LSD`: they already did. Android [06:20] alisonken1noc: thats not the languages fault.. thats bad programmers fault [06:20] Android is again a sub par technology developed by marketing strategists explicitly for idiots [06:21] alisonken1noc: a language is not better because it restricts programmers.. a language is better if it frees them [06:21] Zordrak: indeed [06:21] Zordrak, perl actually encourages spaghetti code, and that's the problem [06:21] then its OUR job to put bad programmers in rehab [06:21] as far as I can see [06:21] Zordrak: however, Perl is too ambigious [06:21] psh.. if you call perl ambiguous, call c ambiguous [06:21] yeah - tell that after having to learn someone else's code that you have to maintain [06:21] Zordrak: I do [06:22] alisonken1noc: been there, done that [06:22] And C++ is the pinacle of madness [06:22] I think he means ambitious [06:22] alisonken1noc: RT::Authen::ExternalAuth [06:22] But perl, C and C++ all beat Java [06:22] Python is my favourite high level language. [06:22] Coke: fail [06:22] I would _almost_ say even basica is better than java [06:22] It is clear, consise, elegant and offers great power and complexity in a simple form [06:23] ocaml \o/ [06:23] Action: adrien hides [06:23] Coke: python can NEVER provide an excuse for its whitespace dependant syntax [06:23] Ruby also looks sweet. [06:23] Zordrak: yes it can [06:23] Zordrak, you're just a whitespace zealot [06:23] Zordrak: ever hear two Python programmers argue what code style to use for whitespace vs tab?? [06:23] there are good reasons why whitespace is just as good or better than brace syntax [06:23] any code that you have to have your editor shew formatting marks to debug is a big ol foil [06:23] Ever see Python developer spending time arguing if you newline before or after curly brackets? [06:24] python: in vim, ddp, bam, code is broken :-) [06:24] Coke: it doesnt matter in perl.. its just a choice [06:24] Zordrak: actually, I program Python fine in nano too [06:24] adrien: ++ [06:24] Zordrak: which is why Perl is considered write-only [06:24] programming python in kate is just fine :) [06:24] The ONLY thing I have against it is that python blocks have no distinct ending-keyword [06:24] Coke: python = apple. Perl = linux. [06:24] Which means if you accidently mangle your code your fucked [06:24] simples. [06:24] Zordrak: HAHA [06:25] Zordrak: don't make me come over and punch you in the face [06:25] bring it on. [06:25] Pushing all sorts of buttons... [06:25] Nobody calls my programming language "apple"!!! [06:25] Python tells you what to do. Perl asks you what youd like to do. [06:25] Action: Coke totally wrecks the office and throws the printer out the window [06:25] Coke, distinct ending-keyword? actualyl it's obvious where the end is [06:25] which is a perfect analogy to apple & linux [06:26] alisonken1noc: yeah, but to prevent accidental mangling [06:26] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:26] alisonken1noc: just adding like "end" (optionally ofcourse) [06:26] dan_ (~dan@112.198.220.135) joined ##slackware. [06:26] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Hello... [06:26] Other than that I'd say Python is currently the most pragmatic way of solving any high-level problem [06:27] dan_: wb [06:27] Anyone can suggest where I could put my eclipse folder? [06:27] dan_: I put non-dist programs in /usr/local [06:27] I understand /opt is a popular choice too these days [06:27] Coke: Thanks... [06:27] but if you want it user-specific, try your home directory [06:28] Coke: even the isntall mechanisms are the same. Perl uses cpan which is analogous to sbopkg.. python uses easy_install.. which is analogous to any random packaging crap that just does what it wants that includes the way apple, debian, rhel etc do it [06:28] or /opt/something [06:28] Zordrak: python does not use easy install [06:28] I've never used easy install [06:28] Coke: for optional extras from community [06:28] It's just some shit someone made up because they didnt have a good linux dist [06:28] Zordrak: nah [06:28] Coke: you dant *have* to use cpan.. but cpan is to perl what easy_install is to python [06:28] You just download tarballs and unzip in your site-packages dir [06:29] Zordrak: no no.... cpan is organized and good [06:29] easy install is rubbish [06:29] my point exactly [06:29] Zordrak: well, Im sure I can find 3rd party rubbish for perl too [06:29] My point is: use the package manager in your dist [06:29] Archlinux, Debian, yada, all have Python packages ready to use. [06:29] Coke: thats anotherl big ol' fail [06:29] easy install is some lonely windows users idea of package managing [06:29] theres a reason i use slackware and not rhel [06:30] Zordrak: it's not a fucking fail [06:30] rhel? [06:30] red hat [06:30] (the packaging tautology) [06:30] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:30] if i wanted to rely on someone else to package up all my software for me id use a shit distro [06:30] i dont, i use slackware [06:31] where i can manage everything cleanly on my own. [06:31] including perl packages [06:31] Zordrak: thing is, Python don't have an official repos [06:31] Coke: another fail for python... even a semifficial repo would be useful [06:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:31] easy install is NOTHING like cpan and I'd wager that 99% of all python folks on linux prefer to manage it manually or through the distribution packages [06:31] Zordrak: no, it has no use at all [06:31] Coke: and thats anotherl [06:31] Python packages are treated like any library [06:32] Zordrak: your logic is the only fail I see [06:32] BUt go ahead. It's good to see that you are consistantly narrowminded and wrong [06:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:32] Coke: you keep naming reasons why Python blows... but you cant see my logic? [06:32] Zordrak: didn't you praise manual handling? [06:33] Python packages build and install like C or C++ [06:33] Coke: not if its your only choice [06:33] Coke: sbopkg is a perfect example [06:33] Zordrak: guess what sbopkg actually provide me with python packages [06:33] I just installed psycopg2 today [06:33] it does exactly what you would do manually.. it just makes it quicker and more organised [06:33] Zordrak: and Python follows that [06:33] nice. [06:33] but its NOTHING like yum or apt-get [06:33] good win for Python [06:33] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:33] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:34] Zordrak: like I said, I installed both the Python packages I needed from sbopkg [06:34] Thank you kindly, dear maintainer, whoever you are! [06:34] Coke: so.. you rely on other people to package your stuff for you [06:34] Zordrak: installing and managing Python is exactly like installing and managing C or C++ packages [06:34] Zordrak: no, it's easy enough to build it yourself [06:35] If you do it from source you run your little build scripts and install it. [06:35] Coke: and perl is the same.. except it has a common structre and an official repository so you know where you can find everything and installing any bit of it is done identically [06:36] Zordrak: so you have a redundant system? [06:36] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:36] ONe that is not needed [06:36] /proc/sys/kernel/panic <- nice =) [06:36] I don't have a C or C++ extra repository [06:36] Coke: only in so much as slackpkg is redundant [06:36] (which it isnt) [06:36] Zordrak: right. would you like a CPAN for all the stuff in C and C++ too? [06:36] Zordrak: obviously they "need" it just like Python does? [06:36] pkgtools is redundant, I tar xvf > /v/l/p/FOO and run doinst.sh all by myself -_- [06:37] Coke: every single distro already does [06:37] Zordrak: exactly [06:37] Zordrak: and Python is no different in that regard [06:37] Coke, different languages with different requirements - perl/python don't need compiling and validating the same as c/c++ [06:37] alisonken1noc: ++ [06:37] alisonken1noc: a lot of python modules are indeed written in C [06:37] Zordrak: the reason you ++ that is because you are clueless [06:37] Coke, again - confusing python scripts with python libraries [06:38] alisonken1noc: we were talking about libraries, not some random snippet [06:38] Coke, when you bring up easy install, you're not really talking python libraries as far as I can tell [06:38] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [06:38] Coke: go back to coding your little apple scripts.. ill be off writing flight control software in a few perl modules [06:38] alisonken1noc: I didnt bring it up [06:38] Scroll the fuck up [06:38] Coke: and managing a system with psh (perl shell) [06:39] anyone using softdog? (software watchdog) [06:39] Zordrak: you go ahead and do that. don't call me and ask me to port it to Python later because you cannot interpret your own code [06:39] Coke: but theres no point continuing this [06:39] adrien: Ive never found a watchdog to work effectively [06:39] Coke, and fyi - Zordrak and I have a running discussion on python v. perl for some time now [06:39] alisonken1noc: right. still, he brought up easy install [06:39] adrien: software ones break when their needed, hardware ones wrongly interpret inactivity as a hang [06:39] a tool which i have NEVER used and do not plan on using [06:40] Zordrak: I was pondering having a watchdog + /sys/kernel/kernel/panic [06:40] *they're [06:40] the watchdog would allow up to one minute and the other one, maybe two [06:40] hey ang, nfs has been fixed =) [06:40] adrien: fix the panic :) [06:40] my personal opinion of easy install is the same as sbopkg - as long as you look at the egg and trust the source ... [06:40] so, maybe I could have a somehow nicer shutdown [06:40] phrag: fixed? [06:40] alisonken1noc: I disagree there. [06:40] Zordrak: as I said, it's terribly hard to reproduce and I won't have enough tim [06:40] e [06:40] will do in two weeks when I get back [06:41] alisonken1noc: if you treat Python as any other package you would have in a system, it's oviously the dist package managers job OR a manual install. [06:41] alisonken1noc: in Slack I actually enjoyed installing reportlab and psycopg2 [06:41] adrien: well.. tbh you might as well leave it to reboot on panic.. dont waste time messing with watchdogs [06:41] Zordrak: there was a change with nfs-utils that required one to pass the -o flag, which caused some breakage from the one before that did not require.. and something about disabling v4 [06:41] Zordrak: well, could a software watchdog work for a kernel panic? that's what I don't know [06:41] but I would not touch the Debian Python packages with pliars [06:41] Coke, my personal opinion on repo's is I make my own local of software I want to keep tabs on [06:41] local repo tha tis [06:41] Zordrak: most probably what I'm going to do, was only wondering [06:42] alisonken1noc: i just download tarballs and build from source [06:42] alisonken1noc: except in Slackware where I use sbopkg [06:42] phrag: yeah.. i know.. just real/ised you meant that slack nfs installs are fixed.. not that nfs itself is fixed [06:42] anyway, now, that really relieves me, I was pretty annoyed at leaving my computer for ten days and it panicked after a few hours =/ [06:42] (which basically does what I do manually anyway) [06:42] adrien: just run memtest :/ [06:42] Zordrak: my bad, continuation of a coversation with ang yesterday =) [06:42] phrag: heh. [06:43] i'm still betting it's not memory [06:43] also thanks again for the bash help yesterday, it helped =) [06:43] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:43] anyway, I'd have to run memtest for one month... [06:43] adrien: you might be right [06:43] it takes *weeks* [06:43] also, will SA for Bacon Sandwhich [06:43] adrien: could be anything, really [06:43] phrag: just a shame everyone has moved to nfsv4, but slack hasnt... well, i mean its a shame in some ways.. but in others its a good thing [06:44] adrien: I just wouldn't like my system panicy [06:44] phrag: SA? [06:44] Sys Admin [06:44] for a bacon sandwich? [06:44] yeh! =) [06:44] Zordrak: is nfsv4 better than the old one? [06:44] I'm a lot more betting on the network interface because I had some things in dmesg, it seems to happen when there is network activity and it looks like the network card sometimes takes pretty long to get up during boot [06:44] Coke: its more featureful and doesnt rely on external locking [06:44] Coke: I can't do anything about it right now [06:44] Coke: its *technically* better [06:45] Coke: but simultaneously more complex.. which in many ways can mean worse [06:45] phrag: are you pimping your servicel for food? [06:45] *services [06:45] Zordrak, like python is "technically better" than perl or ext4 is "technically better" than ext3 ? :) [06:45] at this precise moment =P [06:45] Zordrak: indeed... [06:46] after lunch, my rate increases! [06:46] ext4 is *better* than ext3, technical or otherwise.. python is *technically* worse than vomit :) [06:46] Zordrak: so, I'm thinking about using AFS for the linux clients [06:46] btw, I have installed kexec/kdump to catch the panic but it's not completely working yet and I'll still have to trigger the panic [06:46] phrag: ill SA for half a bacon sandwich.. ph33r my under-cut [06:47] ahaha [06:47] Coke: i think AFS would be the way to go if i wasnt tied to an NFS structure and had a few more linux clients to serve [06:47] Zordrak: ah, ok. Have you set it up before? [06:47] Coke: no.. but ive looked into it [06:47] I've only used it, never built it [06:47] Coke: the complex bit is setting up the initial infrastructure [06:47] Zordrak: it looks solid, right? In particular the offline features [06:48] Zordrak: I have a test kerberos server running here, it gives me AFS tokens to use with my home dir etc [06:48] Coke: yes.. im very in favour of it.. i just dont have a network thats ready to take it [06:48] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [06:48] Zordrak: hmmmmmmmm. maybe I should just ditch NFS [06:49] I'm afraid I won't get AFS to work properly since I don't know how it works in detail [06:49] If I can hear another "aye" in this channel for AFS it's decided. :) [06:50] Coke: i would look at both [06:50] Coke: you need to weigh the two [06:50] Zordrak: I use NFS now. [06:50] I don't have any problems with it except the security issues [06:50] Coke: set up a basic v4 server and test it.. then look at setting up AFS [06:50] And I have to setup all that messy NIS [06:51] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [06:51] Zordrak: right now I use a naive form of authentication [06:51] Coke: how many clients are you talking about? [06:51] 5-6 [06:51] Coke: dont we all [06:51] I want to use kerberos [06:51] Coke: afs is overkill for 6 glients imo [06:51] than nfsv4 [06:51] *then [06:52] Zordrak: well, if it's not any tougher to install [06:52] it gives you kerb security without the complex infrastructure [06:52] It does? [06:52] Zordrak: what do you use for user directory? [06:52] yes, you can use kerberos auth with nfsv4 [06:52] YP, LDAP? [06:52] both simultanously at the moment [06:53] Zordrak: and which one do you prefer [06:53] hope to move exclusivuly to ldap in the future [06:53] Ah... I should look into that as well [06:53] i prefer neither because one is NIS, the other is Active Directory [06:53] Zordrak: ok, but I'm just gonna use some LDAP server [06:53] NIS is simple in the way it works and i like that [06:54] but AD provides LDAP which is my preferred method [06:54] so they equally are good but suck [06:54] long term i plan to move to samba4 to provide windows client control, with pure openldap and kerb [06:55] if slack had pam and kerberos built in, i *might* have moved to just AD and dropped NIS... except that im also using autofs nis maps atm [06:56] which im deprecating as fast as i can [06:56] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.82.16) joined ##slackware. [06:56] and i still have some stupid fc3 clients im supporting because i dont have time to replace them [06:56] Zordrak: oh geesh [06:57] Well, my scenario is simpler [06:57] Have 6-8 linux clients that I'm thinking about integrating [06:57] For windows clients it's a simple user/password on a samba share [06:57] Coke: http://www.dice.inf.ed.ac.uk/groups/services/file_service/docs/newfs-choice.html [06:57] I have no interrest in building a network for windows users anyway [06:58] further reinforcement that AFS is technically better.. but the initial effort required is by no means small [06:59] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [06:59] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [06:59] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [06:59] Action: pupit oh man! the look on the dog's face is priceless! http://www.flickr.com/photos/96088759%40N00/4579746220/ [06:59] .. [06:59] ^^ [07:00] Zordrak: arggh. [07:00] Well, thanks for the link anyway mate. [07:00] pupit: dog? [07:00] I'm gonna buy beer and drink it now. [07:00] alphageek: yup! [07:00] Seeeee youuu guuys on the other siiide! [07:00] Action: Coke sods off [07:00] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:00] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: No route to host [07:01] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:03] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:06] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [07:06] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-14-153.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:07] garme (~garme@189.17.129.210) joined ##slackware. [07:07] anyone subscribed to telco? 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[07:42] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [07:43] latest -current, intel card, kde with desktop effects crashes X. [07:43] a core i3 system [07:44] the graphic "card"? same die as the cpu? [07:44] nope, a motherboard integrated type. [07:46] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.14) joined ##slackware. [07:46] Hi! I have a question about xine. Humans' have the following problem - can't play DVD, pointing device - works, if he specify the mount point [07:46] xine dvd:///dev/sr0 [07:46] -B> xine (3@0D8G5A:0O >1>;>G:0 4;O X11) - A2>1>4=K9 2845>?@>83@K20B5;L v0.99.5. [07:46] (c) 2000-2007 The xine Team. [07:46] Channel flood from rockslinux -- kicking [07:46] libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access [07:46] libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed [07:46] libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.BUP failed [07:46] rockslinux kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:46] Action: slava_dp lols [07:47] heh [07:47] and he's russian too [07:47] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [07:48] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [07:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:49] slava_dp: logs? =) [07:50] adrien, empty [07:51] /var/log/Xorg.0.log? and dmesg? both empty? [07:51] mesa-7.7 (the previous one) worked for me, but not the latest updated one. [07:51] empty of errors, the logs look fine. [07:52] X just crashes dumbly when I start any windowed program and the effects are enabled. [07:52] how can I downgrade to mesa-7.7? [07:54] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [07:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:54] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-qmqndhatzcwmzuqx) joined ##slackware. [07:56] lee_ (~lee__@ip68-101-23-17.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:56] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:57] good morning [07:57] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:57] morning :-) [07:57] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.82.16) left irc: Read error: No route to host [07:57] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.82.16) joined ##slackware. [07:59] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) [07:59] is this the in-cpu vga type? [07:59] that would be an i3 or an i5 xx1 [07:59] i3 [07:59] and, ew [07:59] yeah, which cpu exactly? [07:59] and dmesg? [08:00] (full dmesg I mean) [08:00] Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz [08:00] why ew? it's the best system I have :) [08:00] s/I/the office/ [08:01] it's also the slowest core i - if you have to get an i series, get an i7 860 or something [08:01] "if you have to get an i series"? what do you suggest I should be getting? :) [08:02] definitely with an integrated graphic "unit" [08:02] slava_dp: is your mobo supposed to have its own graphic unit? [08:02] >.< Processor wars are over. Theyre all the same, and you get the speed you pay for. What matters is getting the right motherboard. [08:02] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:02] well, kde desktop effects FLY on this cpu/vga. [08:02] slava_dp: the i7 860 is also a socket 1156 cpu, but it beats the i7 920 hands down [08:03] one of you gave me a command to delete all files in a directory that had too many files to simply use: rm -f - anyone have it? xargs perhaps? [08:03] what differentiates a graphic unit? [08:04] hello everyone :) [08:04] lee_, find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -delete [08:05] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:05] adrien, did you imply that I am running on the wrong graphics core? [08:06] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:06] hello again, i've there an special question for you : is it a good thing to upgrade my kernel (2.6.29.6-smp) which is the default kernel installed with S13 ? [08:06] malikcpp: be more clear [08:07] i mean is there any risk ? [08:07] malikcpp: of course there is [08:07] There's always risk involved... With anything, really. [08:07] Just sitting here in my office involves some risk. [08:07] malikcpp: if you dont know what youre doing or why youre doing it, dont do it [08:08] slava_dp: if you have two graphic units and one of them makes X crash, you might want to try the other one (for now) [08:08] it's because i've some problems with video4linux and i want to get vloopback [08:09] http://pastebin.com/LnwWprX0 [08:09] malikcpp, go for it. but carefully. [08:09] I suggest getting the latest 2.6.32 and building that. [08:10] for me, 2.6.32 still works better than 2.6.33. [08:10] Heh... 2.6.33 is better than 2.6.32 here :-) [08:10] any suggestions on what slava_dp says ? [08:10] eviljames: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/this-blanket-absorbs-farts,news-6678.html [08:10] adamk_: ... and there conflicts begins =D [08:11] "vigorous discussions" :) [08:11] malikcpp: Well everyone is going to have a different opinion, of course., [08:11] malikcpp, you'll have to try and figure for yourself. linux is try and fail [08:11] malikcpp: Why not ask the vloopback developers what they recommend? [08:12] Since that seems to be what you're looking for. [08:12] Perhaps this failure to compile has nothing to do with the kernel version in the first place. [08:13] it does. 2.6.29 was the crap kernel release. not a single box of mine worked well with it. [08:13] yes it's, you're right but i've fear to lost any data [08:13] well, one box does =) [08:13] slava_dp: And you can confirm that vloopback compiles with a different version? [08:14] Action: slava_dp asks his telepaths and they confirm that vloopback builds fine on 2.6.32 =) [08:14] Right, so in other words even you don't know if his failure to compile vloopback has anything to do with the kernel version. [08:15] Despite your assertion that "it does" :-) [08:15] _even_ me :) [08:16] ok guys thx for all your advices .. but now i still confused, how to upgrade ? slackpkg or sthing else .. [08:16] So I stand by my statement that malikcpp should talk to the vloopback folks before deciding to upgrade his kernel for the sole reason of getting vloopback running. [08:17] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] malikcpp, you compile it [08:20] r0d (~rod@201.22.148.28.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:20] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:20] i think that adamk_ p talkings are wiser, and i should consult vloopback folks first [08:22] malikcpp, a reading for you.... might be of use http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [08:22] wiser than what? [08:22] you asked how..i told you [08:23] i'm confused straterra, your way is ok even i fear kernel panic but i should before "compile it" ask if it's necessary to vloopback community [08:24] (thx for the link slava_dp) [08:24] thanks slava_dp [08:25] lee_, you're welcome :-) [08:26] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-124-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Silverrocker (~silverroc@d5152FC9E.static.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [08:42] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:43] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:44] Hi, I'm trying to install slackware from an usb device... During the instalation when perl is being installed, I get commandline again... When I reboot then grub says error: file not found. Is there a way to fix this? [08:44] grub? [08:45] I think it's from my old linux [08:45] I know slackware uses lilo [08:45] so I think the installer doesn't quite finish, but it stops in the middle [08:45] So at some point during the installation, it quits out and drops you to the console again? [08:45] yes! [08:45] Reinstall :-) [08:45] tried [08:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:45] gives the same result [08:45] Sounds like a bad CD/DVD, then. [08:45] Or other hardware issues. [08:46] i vote bad cd [08:46] I used usbimg2disk.sh from alien.slackbook.org to create a bootable usb [08:46] (trying to install slackware on my MSI WIND U100) [08:47] Perhaps the image you used was corrupt. [08:48] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-juruzngqfilhngpk) joined ##slackware. [08:48] I will use the slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.iso.md5 now to check if it was corrupt. [08:49] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [08:49] allend (~allend@CPE-58-164-125-241.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:49] that's a good idea [08:51] thanks, that's the problem. I get F8B2DFB6A6DAB914CFE413E36D308EBA for the iso I have and the .md5 has 2b30f2fccf4e493c461f723b4dc21240, so I'll have to redownload tomorrow. [08:53] Would it also be an option to install all but that package, then download that package later or wouldn't that work? [08:53] Do not even think of using an installation from a bad image. [08:53] very strange that the installer pukes out [08:53] okay [08:53] Clearly there's a bigger issue than just perl dropping out if lilo is never even installed. [08:54] And God knows what else is corrupted now. [08:54] maybe it's because I'm installing it from a usb? [08:54] you may want to start downloading the torrent iso, then stop it and put your iso in place of the new one. then resume the download and if you are lucky you'll only download the corrupted chunk. [08:54] no, the usb installer is very reliable [08:55] ok I will do what slava_dp just told me, thanks [08:57] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:57] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5fdf) joined ##slackware. [08:58] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:59] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [09:00] nice, after doing a force recheck it went up to 99.9% [09:01] that's it, you got to your chunk :) [09:01] torrents ftw, because of checksumming. [09:02] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. 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[09:54] unlucky, I still get crashes even with 2.6.32.12. [09:54] intel driver used to be so stable..... [09:56] http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=120191 [09:56] this is the same problem as I have. the last post sums it up. [09:56] my intel + mesa 7.8 is pretty happy [09:58] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:58] slava_dp: your hardware is pretty recent [09:58] time for upstream bug repots I guess [09:58] adrien, yes it is, slackware 13.0's intel driver refused to work on this hardware at all. [09:59] 13 or current? [09:59] thing is, I don't have anything to report, not a line of error in any log. I can only say "it crashed my X", and that'd be it :) [10:00] right now I'm on -current and getting crashes with desktop effects. [10:00] crashed my X, these logs are empty, what can I do? [10:00] 13.0 refused to work with this card at all. [10:00] yeah, not surprising [10:00] hmmm [10:00] I wonder if that wouldn't work with the new xorg-server... [10:01] (I mean, 1.8) [10:02] That guy at phoronix said he was using 1.8. I don't know. [10:02] shall probably wait, till this thing resolves itself. [10:04] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:04] unless it's a pure bug and not lack of support, I doubt 1.7 will handle this [10:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [10:06] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:08] All intel GPUs are supposed to be supported. If it's not working, it's a bug. [10:09] Guest26957 (~mulato@187.78.124.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:10] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Guest26957 (~mulato@187.78.85.182) joined ##slackware. [10:19] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:22] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) joined ##slackware. [10:24] is ip6tables what i should be using for firewalling ipv6? [10:24] yep [10:24] i just set the policies to DROP DROP DROP :) [10:24] or even ipv6.disable=1 to the kernel [10:24] just wish i could get it native instead of having to bloody tunnel [10:26] slava_dp: wouldnt ipv6.disable=1 *slightly* hamper my ability to use ipv6? [10:27] would it? :D [10:27] think i'll give that one a miss [10:27] lee_ (~lee__@ip68-101-23-17.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [10:28] also -P OUTPUT -j DROP... just MIGHT be a small issue [10:28] cmsouza (~chatzilla@c9067bea.static.spo.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:29] hey, I wasn't suggesting you do it, I just said what I do with ip6tables. [10:29] slava_dp: tbh.. if you dont HAVE ipv6.. whats the point of bothering to even touch ip6tables? [10:30] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Changing host [10:30] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [10:31] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] cause you may have lots of security put on ipv4 and an open door via ipv6 to come and take. [10:32] slava_dp: ... if i didnt have a network cable, i wouldnt worry about iptables much [10:32] slava_dp: i dont see that having ipv4 configured means you should worry about ipv6 holes.. [10:32] unless im missing somethingf [10:33] let's say you've restricted your ssh port access with iptables. via ipv6, anyone can connect. [10:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:33] slava_dp: if..you have ipv6 connectivity [10:34] straterra, that I am not sure about. but better be safe than sorry is what I think. [10:34] O_o [10:34] your response suggests whatever straterra said is right.. [10:35] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:35] slava_dp: If I have no IPV4 connectivity, do I need to worry about someone connecting to me using IPv4? [10:35] slava_dp: its literally like worrying about your software firewall on a machine without a network cable [10:35] I hear that the rotary engines in the RX7s leak oil..I better take my Eclipse in to have the problem fixed [10:36] slava_dp: If you have a link local address, then only someone on the local network could attempt to access your system. An iptables drop default, opening ::1 for use seems reasonable. Of course, I've stepped into the middle of the conversation. [10:37] i think at least it *is* fair to say that if ipv6 is enabled, it doesnt hurt to set drop policies.. but then if you're not using ipv6 then you shouldnt have it enabled [10:37] this server has ports forwarded to it via ipv4 from the router. I don't have ipv6 routes here. [10:38] alienBOB: why do you still build guidance-power-manager even in KDE 4.4.x ? hasnt it been superseeded by powerdevil? [10:38] FriedBob: Did I miss a comment from slava_dp that indicated he had no network cable attached? [10:38] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] i was even asking myself why pat still ships it from when i switched to kde in september [10:38] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:38] sinuhe: no.. just no ipv6 configurei [10:38] sahk0: I still build it because it's still being offered in KDE's extragear repository. But, you do not require it [10:39] yeah, powerdevil does the same. you just cant see bars in the taskbar [10:39] However, powerdevil needs polkit-1 to work optimally, and it was not until KDE 4.4.2 that I added polkit-1 [10:39] yeah, true [10:39] I like bars in my taskbar! [10:40] meh [10:40] btw kubuntu removed it iirc. no that that fact says anything [10:40] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [10:41] afaik its still developed [10:41] Zordrak: i may be wrong, but i believe that if the iface has no ipv6 addr there is no reason to worry about ipv6 security [10:41] I guess then, that you found my 4.4.3 packages sahk0? [10:42] well thats interesting... all my ports were open to ipv6.. then i set input policy to drop and added an accept for all my service ports... but theyre still not open :/ [10:42] cmsouza: that was my point [10:42] alienBOB: reading the blog post, browsing sources. i was trying to figure out which lib was added. i failed [10:42] Action: sinuhe seconds Zordrak [10:42] slakker (~chatzilla@69-11-33-225.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:42] but iirc theres another dbusfoo added in 4.5 [10:42] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) got netsplit. [10:42] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [10:42] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [10:42] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) got netsplit. [10:44] my eth0 interface has an ipv6 address. unless I disable ipv6 in the kernel. so two options: disable or set policies. [10:44] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:44] unless ... perhaps if a tunnel is handled by the FORWARD chain .. [10:44] Zordrak, what are you tunnelling with? [10:44] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:44] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:45] he [10:45] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) returned to ##slackware. [10:45] slava_dp: it has a link local address [10:45] configured by iproute2 as defined by he [10:46] Unless you run miredo [10:46] slava_dp: If your ISP provides you with IPv6 addresses then it is needed, of course if you have a really giant local network it is needed also. in all other cases i think you will be better without ipv6 support in the kernel [10:48] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) got lost in the net-split. [10:48] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:48] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:51] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) joined ##slackware. [10:51] right. a link-local address. aren't these accessible in the local network? [10:52] and what does 'he' stand for? [10:53] slava_dp: just you network segment, what should not be a security concern, but if it's useless then disable it [10:53] Hurricane Electric [10:54] cmsouza, right. I will. [10:55] Zordrak, I see. and what do you need ipv6 for? [10:57] slava_dp: 1. The same reason everyone else needs ipv6, 2. Learning, 3. Upcoming native IPv6 deployment at work, 4. Geekery. [10:57] 5. masochism [11:00] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [11:01] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:05] this would be easier to debug if i could portscan from HE in less than 5 minutes per scan [11:05] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:05] \o [11:06] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:07] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [11:07] alienBOB: whats the bluez3 dir? those packages have been built with bluez3? does that even work with kde4? [11:07] titopoquito (~tito@p5090E477.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] That was because I first built these packages before Pat upgraded to bluez4 [11:10] So after the upgrade to bluez4 I had to rebuild some of the KDE packages. I left the bluez3 versions there for now, in case someone did not like bluez4 [11:10] ah ok, thanks [11:10] And yes, bluez3 works with KDE4, in all previos versions it was enabled [11:10] Just the kbluetooth program for KDE4 requires bluez4 [11:11] I think perhaps I should upload my kbluetooth package to my own repository, it can do about the same things as blueman which was added to -current [11:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:12] I hate the blueman GTK interface though... the Qt interface of kbluetooth is more my taste [11:12] ++ [11:13] yeah, its on my todo as well.atm my kde is bluezless [11:13] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:15] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: . 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[11:37] ie. it's possible for there to be DNS problems today, however unlikley =P [11:37] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [11:38] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:38] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Delahunt: which distro? [11:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-224-124.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:40] mandriva 2010.0 free [11:41] mandriva is the only other distro i ever use, and rarely [11:41] i was impressed that their installer has LUKS and LVM capabilities to be quite honest, this time around [11:41] however, after update, it won't boot (GRUB), or won't boot if you select LILO, or if you don't LVM+LUKS (only encrypt /home) Gnome breaks upon update [11:42] granted, being asked your password in a graphical boot and it working is quite impressive [11:42] but alas once again, something other than slackware fails to deliver [11:42] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:42] Have been very impressed with PCLinuxOS's Live offering which i believe is based on Mandriva [11:42] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:47] i prefer parted magic and grml. but choosing one depends on what you actually want to use it for [11:48] thrice`, oh well [11:48] phrag, probably knoppix, they just released a dvd version (got it with a linux magazine) [11:48] knoppix seems to be a good bet every time [11:48] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [11:48] system rescue CD is awesome [11:49] man i don't know if it's playing around with the I/O wait stuff in kernel but man my machines are fast as heck now [11:49] slackware has a system rescue cd? ^_- [11:50] Alba[onga (~fabio@93-41-224-214.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:51] CONFIG_IO_DELAY_TYPE_0X80=0 [11:51] Nick change: Alba[onga -> Pl_ase_RestM3 [11:51] thought it would be risky but man was I wrong [11:51] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:53] LinuxExpert (~chatzilla@112.135.26.86) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Grifulkin (~ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:54] .close [11:54] Grifulkin (ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) left ##slackware. [11:57] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:57] allend (~allend@CPE-58-164-125-241.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:00] Hey there [12:01] Hay there is not a question,Hit your question someone may be help you. [12:01] alienBOB: can i talk to you in pv for a second? [12:01] thx LinuxExpert lol [12:01] LinuxExpert, shut the hell up >.> [12:01] hey Necos what's up? [12:02] nothing much... finally finished the recovery of my raid array... thank goodness [12:02] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] Necos: please dont be rude to users who are just trying to help [12:04] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] phrag: well... it's like straterra's sexuality, it's special and pretty uncommon [12:05] phrag, LinuxExpert's borderline trolling has been the topic of discussion the last couple of days... [12:05] is there any reason inotd shouldnt be able to support both ipv4 and ipv6 for vsftpd? [12:05] and really, his last comment was pretty lame [12:05] hmm, ok well i was not aware of previous discussions, i just saw the random attack [12:06] si he's not a bot? [12:06] so* [12:06] no kidding :P [12:06] help [12:06] I need somebody [12:06] (sorry :-) ) [12:06] adrien: try the "desperately wanted" ads ;) [12:06] sorry [12:07] theBOB even made a comment about how he's lucky that he hasn't been banned yet [12:07] ok Necos, fair do's =) [12:08] BP{k}: heheh :P [12:08] perhaps is there something required to globally enable ipv6 in inetd? [12:09] phrag :) [12:09] Zordrak: the linux kernel above 2.4 supports the ipv6.But don't knew about vsftpd. [12:10] phrag: thats enough to convince me about LinuxExpert [12:10] phrag: sounds a LOT like Intel-RVT[x] to mo [12:10] or however he spelt that shit [12:11] you're all lucky i haven't banneed you yet [12:11] hmm.. [12:11] i can get JUST v4 or JUST v6... what about both+? [12:11] Zordrak:your question is not clear to me. [12:12] ah [12:12] adrien: \o/ FINALLY! [12:12] tcp6 seems to imply both [12:12] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:12] eviljames: I've already started to collect money in order to save your wife's life -_- [12:13] Too bad I stole it when he wasn't looking. [12:13] the life of a wife was ended by the knife [12:14] Wohoo... am now full ipv6 enabled on my domain [12:14] eboard chess game is not working in current [12:14] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:14] In the case of Nina Reiser, she was an ex-wife. [12:14] xboard is not working, not eboard [12:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Zordrak: did you compile your kernel without that ipv6 support? [12:15] pupit: are you taling about xboard chess game? [12:15] LinuxExpert: yes [12:15] lol [12:16] pupit: what is the problem? [12:16] LinuxExpert: it says failed to start first chess program fairymax on localhost: fairymax: no such file or directory [12:17] hurray, LinuxExpert is here [12:17] pupit: you need to register on a chess server. http://freechess.org [12:17] lol thrice` [12:18] LinuxExpert: xboard worked on 13.0v i could play against engine [12:18] yes xboard is just a engine it does not contain a chess engine. So did you installed a chess engine. [12:19] gnu chess engine. [12:19] can it really be worth all that trouble to play chess [12:19] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:19] apparently... [12:19] naked coed chess [12:20] i played naked coed lacrosse [12:20] chessboxing ftw [12:20] lol [12:20] Skywise: it's better to play chess with rebica engine.But it's commercial.it's the #1 ranked chess Engine but only supported in Microsoft windows. [12:21] i know i'm supposed to like chess, i can play chess, and i usually win, but man i can't say i like chess [12:21] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:21] LinuxExpert: it says it needs fairymax. where is the config for xboard located? [12:21] i like checkers tho [12:22] Skywise: when you play against master and you lose, you start to like chess a lot.. [12:22] oh [12:22] i think chess would be more fun if you just had a pawn, rook, king and queen [12:23] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [12:23] it would be even more fun if you had just a king and a queen :) [12:23] Skywise: go to some feminist chick, she has two queens.. [12:23] Action: NaCl wants his kwin compositing back [12:23] that would only be a single move [12:23] a feminist is hardly likely to share her queens with a guy [12:24] hahaha [12:24] Skywise: yeah, and then you aks yourself, why are your kings humping on each other.. :) [12:24] ok now you've lost me [12:24] hahaha [12:25] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:25] ewwww [12:25] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:26] Hoogin (1000@109.58.39.103.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:26] how come its not friday yet [12:26] would you mean /etc/xboard.conf or /etc/xboard/xboard.conf ? try searching those files. [12:26] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:26] will do [12:28] actually, i know why i don't like chess, its intellectually over analyzed [12:28] thats it, the same thing bothers me about bridge [12:29] LinuxExpert: no such files [12:29] what about ~/xboard [12:29] * /.xboard [12:29] forgot about that! [12:30] Howdy folks. [12:30] anyway you can register that freechess.org anytime and play there.Recommanded thing. [12:30] i think playing the earlier chess programs was fascinating because of the impressive logic [12:30] I've got two VGA cards in my new workstation and want to run dual-monitors with X. Any good documentation for me to read? [12:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:31] but they had patterns, and you could set them up in traps [12:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:31] Alan_Hicks: X server how to [12:31] Alan_Hicks, i don't think you have to do anything special really [12:31] Alan_Hicks: No. [12:31] Alan_Hicks: But, it's easily doable. [12:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Y'all are talking to the CLI guy here when you say "easily doable". :^) [12:32] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Alan_Hicks: I live my life at the cli [12:32] Skywise: patterns are good learning, but just look at mikhail tal games he won most of games cause he didnt follow them [12:32] i think you can opt between having 1 desktop on each (which is harder i think) or 1 desktop stretched between them [12:32] Alan_Hicks: But I did exactly this maybe a year ago. Hopefully support has improved. [12:32] which lets you move things between them [12:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:32] Wait, there is something other than CLI? [12:32] Skywise: There are many options. [12:33] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:33] eviljames, yes, you can make it as hard as you like [12:33] Alan_Hicks: The way I pulled it off was use xorg.conf to set up each video card, then a shell script in ~/.kde/Autostart (adapt as need be) to do some xrandr touchups at login [12:33] i like my machines headless [12:34] xrandr should do it, if it's a nice video card [12:34] Alan_Hicks: Important: virtual line in the Screen section of xorg.conf that lays out the maximum size of your desktop[s] [12:34] LinuxExpert: no such file neither in ~/ [12:35] see i only configure x like once or twice a decade [12:35] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:35] grazymax (~grazymax@host149-153-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:35] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:36] if we're going to use a cvs version of xdg-utils can we at least have a more recent version pushed to -current? [12:36] i should bother trying out window managers now and then, theres prolly some neat stuff out there [12:37] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:37] Skywise: I'm the same way. [12:37] i only run x so i can use tiny ca to manage my self signed certs [12:37] as xdg-open has been broken since 12.0 [12:37] echelon: That's something to bring up with Pat. [12:37] oh ok [12:37] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:38] he reads his emails? :-/ [12:38] i'm sure he has minions who do [12:38] xdg-open is broken? [12:39] eviljames, yes, if you don't use kde/xfce [12:39] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:39] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-224-124.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:40] echelon: ah. [12:40] your positive newer versions 'work' ? [12:40] also `xdg-open --version` reports 1.0.1 although the package is labeled 1.0.2 [12:40] yes. [12:40] maybe ask from freedesktop.org to fuckin release a new version [12:40] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [12:40] and you've tested them with xfce, kde, and other window managers? [12:40] you ll have better luck with Pat then [12:40] 1.0.2 is from 2007 [12:41] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:41] thrice`, xdg-open just calls the DE's helper tools [12:41] anyone ever put slackware on a NAS device? [12:41] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:42] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:42] mtkoan: I don't see any particular reason it wouldn't work? Dedicated device a-la Drobo or just a box with some drives in it? [12:42] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:42] xdg-open ? (google it? :-P) [12:43] Action: fhobia googled it [12:43] eviljames: yes, dedicated a-la drobo [12:43] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:44] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:44] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:45] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@200.132.136.4) joined ##slackware. [12:46] echelon: but as i see in source/ xdg-utils is already a cvs version [12:46] so he might not mind updating it so much [12:46] yeah, from '09 [12:46] how would I get slack on something like drobo with only ethernet and usb ports? [12:47] ovnicraft_ (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:48] echelon: figure out some use cases where xdg fails and contact id say [12:48] mtkoan, some kind of embedded system? [12:48] mtkoan, get a guruplug with slackARM on it [12:48] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:49] mtkoan: Would it have to be flashed in some way? Does it have removable primary storage? [12:49] its got 2 gigabit ethernet ports, 2 usb ports and 1 esata port [12:49] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:49] yeah, it doesn't read its own mime defaults set by xdg-mime [12:50] seeing the changelog it makes sense to upgrade [12:50] We don't actually have anything yet, I'm just researching it [12:50] Pl_ase_RestM3 (~fabio@93-41-224-214.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:51] bbiab [12:51] guruplugs are $130 [12:51] afaik, most dedicated NAS devices boot off firmware and the drives are for storage, when they ship anyway [12:51] scarecrow (~scarecrow@122.163.208.174) joined ##slackware. [12:52] mtkoan: Yeah, give or take. Certainly depends on the device (and if there is a hacker subculture for it) [12:53] scarecrow (~scarecrow@122.163.208.174) left irc: Client Quit [12:54] hm, ok. I could always just manage the device from a server, but with 100+ clients connecting to it, it would be better to just route to it directly, instead of through a server [12:55] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@200.132.136.4) left irc: Changing host [12:55] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Hmm.... any idea why a graphics controller wouldn't be showing up in lspci? [12:55] mtkoan: How heavy of use do you think it will see? [12:55] Alan_Hicks: because it is fried. [12:55] grafzero (~grafzero@unaffiliated/grafzero) joined ##slackware. [12:55] eviljames: No, it works. In fact, it works in another box as well. [12:55] if it was fried it the screen would be blank [12:56] L3t4M3 (~alpha@93-41-224-214.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Right. The screen works, it just is a mirror of the other monitor. [12:56] maybe because its pci-e, how does it show up in dmesg? [12:57] Not sure. grepping through dmesg now. [12:57] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [12:57] is it actually a pci card? :p [12:57] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.82.16) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:58] agp should still be listed [12:58] eviljames: well, quite a bit, ideally I want to centralize everyone's windows homedir to a single box [12:58] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.41.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] mtkoan, thats a single point of failure [12:58] but I've never done anything like that, so I don't know what kind of hardware or network architecture is required for that to actually work [12:59] unless the pcie slot is dead or something [12:59] skywise: yes, mirrored, and backed-up on tape [12:59] Alan_Hicks: these aren't 2 nvidia cards are they? [12:59] I haven't been able to find it in dmesg. I can find the integrated video card. [12:59] eviljames: Negative. One of them is an Intel G33. The other, I don't know about. [12:59] mtkoan: Well, I'd say as a trial run set yourself up a simple box on a scrap machine. Then get your users to hammer it a bit. [13:00] Hmmm.... [13:01] The only thing written on this card is "Dell" along with DVI. There's really not much of a chip on it. [13:01] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:01] Could this be some sort of adapter for the onboard video card? [13:02] mtkoan: If a miscellaneous p4+ with a couple of random drives suffices holds up, then you know your requirements aren't very much. [13:02] Alan_Hicks, maybe you can look it up with the service tag [13:02] mtkoan: If it cannot survive (CPU pinned, IO pinned, NIC pinned, whatever) then you know your requirements are higher :D [13:03] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-qmqndhatzcwmzuqx) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:03] eviljames: makes sense [13:05] eviljames: the only problem with this approach is the tendency to become definitive... if it works leave it there forever [13:06] and no one will never realize that besides working it could be performing a hekuva lot better with better hardware [13:06] cmsouza: Oh dude, that's my pet peeve. [13:06] cmsouza: I've seen it happen in my office one too many times. [13:07] alienBOB: kde-4.4.3 released then? ;) [13:07] mtkoan: Don't tell the PHB what you're up to. Do a secret limited-run alpha test with a few clients, THEN make some advice to the boss about what to buy :P [13:07] eviljames: waaaaaay to many times [13:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:08] if i take a picture of the server mess sitting right behind me.... it's not for the faint of the heart [13:08] Kenjiro, packages are already up - didn't you look? :> [13:09] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:10] cmsouza: I have 3 of those frankenboxen in my office. [13:10] lmao... [13:11] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [13:12] dan_ (~dan@112.198.220.135) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Hello... [13:12] http://bsdfund.org/ :) [13:12] Anyone could teach me how to install Gslapt? [13:12] eviljames: here too. but I just started here, and really want to clean things up -- a most of the IT people got laid off over a year ago, so its pretty bad here now [13:12] thrice`: The packages are already up?! Goddamn I must still be asleep. [13:12] dan_: No. [13:12] dan_: We do not encourage such breakage of the system. [13:12] thrice`: no I haven't looked. Only now I saw the email from KDE saying "kde-4.4.3 is out" ;) [13:12] thrice`: thanks [13:13] Kenjiro: if you followed my RSS feeds you'd know that my 4.4.3 packages have been available for several hours... [13:13] mtkoan: Your valiant efforts will likely go unnoticed. Don't be discouraged, though - it should make for a fun project. Also: don't take your work home with you. [13:13] Ever since the sources appeared on the KDE ftp server [13:14] eviljames: truly unnnoticed, but yes it is fun. I already make that mistake often! :o [13:15] alienBOB: can i talk to you in pv for a second? [13:15] You can~type but I won't respond soon tusk [13:15] And if it can be discussed in this channel, all the better [13:15] L3t4M3 (~alpha@93-41-224-214.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:15] alienBOB: yep, I wasn't following your RSS. I better change that ;) [13:15] dan_: i suggest that you install any programs or packages by compiling it from the source.. it will allow your system to detect any missing dependencies or incompatibilities and fine tune it for your needs... just slaping together a bunch of pre compiled who-knows-where or when or how binaries is sure to bring all kinds of problems [13:16] cmsouza: Thanks. Need to study on how to compile the source code [13:16] dan_: SBopkg does that if you really want automation [13:16] cmsouza: since I'm new to linux. [13:17] dan_: normally all it takes is ./configure && make && make install [13:17] mtkoan: Any pointers or website that you can give me? [13:17] dan_: in that case I would learn well tar xvzf, confiure make make install first :) [13:17] alienBOB: what about those packages inside bluez folder? [13:17] well, slackbook [13:18] They can be dismissed Kenjiro [13:18] alienBOB: ok, thanks [13:18] so... there we go [13:18] but ./configure usually has lots of options to tune the software and add features [13:18] also, www.slackbuilds.org has scripts you can use to build packages, just look at the scripts and see what they do [13:18] I had built everything and then Pat upgraded bluez... hence the double packages [13:18] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:19] revae_ (~revae@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [13:20] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:20] dan_: some even have a graphical configurator [13:20] alienBOB: :P [13:21] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:22] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:23] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. 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[13:33] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:34] i dunno, but you can buya dvd+book bundle [13:34] Surely they put a PDF on the DVD somewhere. [13:35] i don't think so, and don't call me shirley [13:36] lol [13:36] rob0: no, that would make sense [13:36] the slackbook is on the dvd, at least slackware.com says so [13:36] :) [13:37] havent looked myself. i got a physical copy as well as the pdf on my hds [13:37] i can confirm this evening, no dvd here [13:37] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [13:37] mancha: roger, roger [13:38] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] dan_ (~dan@112.198.220.135) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:39] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:40] sahk0 link to slackware.com where it says the book's on the dvd? [13:41] my web-fu is failing me [13:41] Hi all does anybody know how to get the arrow keys working on NXclient in Slackware? [13:41] Got it. [13:41] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:44] mancha: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [13:44] see disk 1 contents. slackware.com isnt that up to date though [13:44] yep, you're right :) [13:45] at least this page doesnt have gnome listed. thats a good sign [13:45] so if on cd #1 it should be on the consolidated dvd. [13:47] mtkoan: Every time I start at a new place I make the mistake of taking work home with me. At least, I used to, but I won't make that mistake again. People need to pay for my time. [13:48] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.41.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:50] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:13] i only upgrade when i need to [14:13] come on thrice` say it [14:13] Nick change: Guest26957 -> crudo [14:13] no, i mean, you should too [14:13] aah :) [14:13] do not question him, just follow blindly [14:14] he hasn't been wrong yet [14:14] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] He's like Big Brother - if he is wrong, history changes so he is right. [14:15] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:15] that must be why i don't remember any mistakes [14:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:16] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [14:19] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [14:22] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [14:25] you can probably expect the stuff currently in flux (nouveau, brtfs, etc) to change in the 2.6.33 minors [14:26] also support for newish HW, and some bugfixes. [14:27] what is this nouveau anyway why do we have to blacklist it? [14:27] if i dont blacklist it i cant install/use my nvidia driver [14:28] nouveau is the bestest open source nvidia driver [14:28] ic [14:28] crashdata, it conflicts with the blob-crap nvidia provides [14:29] so, would it matter if i use the proprietary nvidia driver or nouveau? [14:29] does it matter to whom? [14:30] me? Pat? [14:30] you? [14:30] to me. [14:30] in terms on how my system run.. [14:30] it's blacklisted, since many will probably use the closed-source yet [14:31] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [14:31] when i updatedmy system to the new updates... [14:31] nouveau, someone mentioned is the default driver for the new fedora as well as ubuntu [14:31] Hi folks. [14:31] it unblock itself [14:31] How may I help anyone today? [14:31] hmm [14:31] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [14:32] for playing games like savage2 you guys notice any difference? [14:32] if your using ouveau or the close driver [14:32] I didn't like savage2 as much as I thought I would. [14:32] i love it :) [14:32] but havent played for a while... i probably suck @s now [14:32] nouveau has questionable 3D support yet; you'll be best to use the closed-source driver [14:33] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-224-124.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:33] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ucgpejlgfkhbusub) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:33] ic [14:33] is savage2 a shoot-em-up? [14:33] i need a good shoot-em game [14:34] mancha, Crysis. [14:34] riza, danke. [14:35] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [14:35] riza, crysis works in linux? [14:37] crashdata, haha, no. [14:37] But Crysis 2 is coming out and I got that preordered to be delivered to me the next hour. [14:37] Why? Because the trailer is in NYC. [14:37] lol... my desktop could probably run it with medium setting [14:37] And I live in NYC. [14:37] And I can play the game on full powah. [14:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHLEbuj5x6Q [14:38] That's me in the nanosuit. [14:38] Cloak engaged. Maximum powah. Maximum armah. [14:39] lol [14:40] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:40] Another good game is Mass Effect, which I am also a huge fan of. To the point that I hire artists to draw comics for me for that. [14:40] How do you have maximum armor? [14:40] That just doesn't make sense [14:40] straterra, nanobots. [14:40] bah [14:40] Hence nanosuits. These little nanobots form together when you activate the armor, hence why you can't use other features like strength and speed. [14:40] ... [14:41] It's a puzzle game really, so you are forced to think how to approach the situation. The map is huge, so you have to plot. Some players choose to maximize use of strength, some choose stealth, others mix, etc. [14:41] I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about [14:41] I personally took stealth most of the time since I'm a coward irl. [14:41] Oh. [14:41] Play the game Crysis. It's fun. [14:41] :D [14:41] please, continue [14:42] ok, let me be more specific: i need a free, linux, shoot-em game! :) [14:42] My point is I'm a coward. [14:42] lol [14:42] Actual gameplay - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w1CHff8bxM [14:42] s/need/would like/ [14:43] Arimil (arie@bngr-74-212-4-220-pppoe.dsl.bngr.epix.net) left ##slackware. [14:44] I love being an overpowered mofo. It was until later when the aliens started coming in I started being a sad panda. I was no longer overpowered. [14:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhUXFXqx8o gameplay for Crysis 2, not out yet. I can't wait. [14:46] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.46.212) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:47] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.52.118) joined ##slackware. [14:47] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:49] mancha, what do u mena shoot-em game? savage2 is not bad..u have a gun and a sword lolz [14:49] Psh, stop being cheap. Get an i7 system, start gaming. :) [14:49] I can build a cheap $500 i7 system. [14:50] dont throw you $$ away. get a recent amd [14:50] +r [14:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Ew, why AMD? They are doing horrible. [14:50] Actually go buy AMD and save them. [14:50] phail. young padavan.... [14:50] dont they havve 6 core now, amd [14:51] Intel has 40-80 cores in demonstration. [14:51] ??/? [14:51] must be in greece, riza ... all those riots [14:51] roliveira (1000@89.214.144.110) joined ##slackware. [14:51] AMD still has the performance/price market [14:51] I am not a Greek. [14:51] straterra, I agree. [14:51] Though..I won't ever buy their video cards [14:51] you phail again. i rest my case, riza [14:52] jg71, k [14:52] mancha: You know about Urban Terror? [14:53] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-juruzngqfilhngpk) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:53] Does AMD still have the "overheating crap" market cornered too? [14:53] lol [14:54] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:54] My Intel doesn't overheat. [14:54] eviljames: well my amd laptop overheated itself two nights ago [14:54] How about the "remove my heat sink for under 1 second and watch your motherboard melt" market? They've got that one squared away, right? [14:54] Been using this Q6600 and kept it turned on 2 years straight, literally. [14:54] With a few reboots here and there. [14:55] mancha: It's a first-person shooter, 32- and 64-bit binaries available for Linux. I play it on-line often. [14:55] eviljames: to be fair, I think I had it stuck in an infinite loop using 100% for 3 hours, then opened up about 20 tabs in firefox.. not nice [14:55] raela: and it died on a heat warning? Did you have it under a blanket as well? [14:56] aha, will google urban terror, many thanks. [14:56] mancha: My handle is Soon_Dead... for a reason [14:57] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:57] NightTiger if i ever get it and get good i'll look you up and maybe make good on your handle :) [14:57] eviljames: oh it didn't warn on me, it just turned itself off [14:58] eviljames: I had it raised a little off the desk (put it on top of my c programming manual), but I ended up spraying out the fan and putting another book under it [14:58] figured it might not have had enough air clearance [14:58] raela, get an Intel next time. [14:59] mancha: It won't take much. :-) Seriously, there are a number of servers any given moment, quite the user community. Occasionally you find jerks, but just move to a different server. [14:59] riza: is your laptop clean? [14:59] riza: my older laptop is an intel and I think has only overheated on me once.. had been on for over 100 days and my room was probably 90F or so [15:00] eviljames: btw, I saw macavity or charlotte yesterday [15:00] adrien, strange question. D: My laptop is clean fo course. [15:00] this laptop reached 86°C, maybe 87°C [15:00] I actually meant raela :P [15:00] adrien, ooh. [15:00] but the air exhaust easily gets clobbered [15:01] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [15:01] NightTiger the only thing that sort of troubles me is running a closed binary on my pristine boxes :/ [15:01] maybe i'll sandbox it for peace of mind [15:01] adrien: well I went ahead and cleaned out both fans when it overheated.. figured it couldn't hurt. should be good now [15:01] adrien: highest I've observed this one was 94C [15:01] mancha: It's open-source, lad. [15:01] adrien: thanks for pointing out kdump - i knew lkcd was old, but didn't know what to use [15:01] NightTiger oh wow, so you compile on your box! i will definitely do it then [15:02] mancha: there are some sandboxing resources for X, can't remember the name though (I think lwn.net has one or two nice articles) [15:02] trhodes: =) [15:02] mancha: You just don't want to bother with the build process - a gazillion dependencies. [15:02] trhodes: still not completely working here but it's a start (it doesn't get triggered on a panic) [15:02] adrien oh cool if you find the refs let me know, i am sort of a sandboxing hobbyist. i often use them [15:03] mancha: here you go: yaxm.org/!sandbox+site:lwn.net [15:03] ;-) [15:03] (yaxm.org/!XXX is a redirection to google) [15:04] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:05] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [15:06] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Bbl. [15:10] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:35] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-14-153.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:33] You can do something like 'xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x1024 -r 70' [16:33] Oh, wait. [16:33] Are you looking to change the frequency of the console itself or of X? [16:34] of X [16:34] the console works just fine on this other monitor i have [16:34] actually its a samsung tv [16:34] and i remember it only works on 70 hz [16:34] Then, yeah, xrandr. [16:36] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Quit: chega [16:37] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] lol, i tried that it just said can't open display [16:39] for some reason [16:40] are you in X already? [16:40] i can't get into x [16:40] because the display doesn't support what its set to [16:40] which is 60 hertz [16:41] i guess you don't have an xorg.conf? [16:41] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [16:42] no i do [16:42] i mean, i can plug it into another monitor [16:42] and it works fine [16:42] i changed my xorg.conf, so that i the horizontal freq range should work for 70 hertz [16:44] but the option doesn't magically populate when i switch monitors, in system settings in kde, for 70 hertz [16:44] so i'm kinda confused as to how to select that [16:48] maybe with udev, but i don't know [16:48] how often do you switch monitors:P [16:48] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:51] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [16:53] groo_ (~groo@187.47.156.237) joined ##slackware. [16:53] groo_ (~groo@187.47.156.237) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] i'm just switching today, so i can watch some movies on my 32in tv, as opposed to my 22in monitor [16:54] and its alot newer and looks better.. but this shit is ridiculous [16:54] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] i don't understand why its so impossible to make this happen [16:58] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Action: oscillator good night slackers [17:00] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:02] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-169.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [17:04] LinuxExpert_ (~chatzilla@112.135.26.26) joined ##slackware. [17:05] nvision (~nvision@g224248216.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:05] i think you should be able to put multiple monitor sections in your xorg.conf and it should pick the proper one depending on which one you're using [17:05] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:05] LinuxExpert (~chatzilla@112.135.26.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:05] Nick change: LinuxExpert_ -> LinuxExpert [17:05] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [17:06] ang i could do that [17:06] but i have no idea how to specify one at 70 hz [17:06] unless it would try to use both :) i've not looked at that stuff in ages [17:06] that's what's driving me insane [17:06] and i try xrandr [17:06] but it says cannot open display [17:07] probably because i'm not in x [17:07] but i can't get there. [17:08] start with xorgsetup i guess [17:09] that should create a xorg.conf, and then i guess you can go in and change the 60 to 70 [17:10] functionoverform: "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --blah blah blah" [17:11] thank you sir [17:11] But, yeah, I would create an xorg.conf file and specify a modeline to use. [17:11] will try right now [17:12] yeah, that's another thing, i don't have a manual for this monitor, which is actually a tv, so i have no idea what the vertical sync range is.. is there a good default? [17:13] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [17:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432274.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432274.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:14] kimjeng (~mike@196.201.211.196) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Client Quit [17:17] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-124.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:44] people who use vim and emacs are over 30 years old with no life and a family [17:45] evening all [17:45] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] lw0x15: Hey now... I have a family. [17:46] too young for a family but have a life :p [17:46] No one uses emacs. They *live* emacs. [17:47] schoene: having a family means you have no life (lol) [17:47] literally [17:47] lw0x15: Yeah, good point. [17:47] right. because suddenly 'having a life' is defined by what a teenager would be doing with his time [17:47] ananke: yep [17:47] completely on the spot m8 [17:48] having a life = jacking off 10 times a day? [17:48] lol [17:48] after five times, the dick gets sore [17:49] Wuss [17:50] mancha: not sure what material you use to do it ten times a day [17:50] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:51] To quote Mr. Bungle: "My arm gets tired and my dick gets sore, but the girls of porn want more" [17:51] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:51] eviljames: nice one +1 [17:52] eviljames, haha [17:52] awesome, somebody knows mr bungle [17:52] ananke: eh. How'd you know I was lookin' at you if you weren't lookin' at me? [17:52] This is a first time I've heard of Mr Bungle [17:52] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad23aa.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Arirang: ever heard of mike patton? [17:53] or faith no more? [17:53] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:53] I've heard of them, but I don't know who they are [17:53] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Arirang: oh damn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnLNXquIBVs [17:54] Yeah, I was reading up on them on wiki [17:54] I was considering going with "Love Is A Fist" or "Squeeze Me Macaroni" (which, btw is awesome) [17:54] but Carousel seemed like the right choice. [17:54] ananke: It's odd, nobody (and I mean nobody) remembers this project. Everyone knows Mike Patton, FNM and Fantomas [17:54] yeah, any of those three is a good way to introduce it. ease them into it :) [17:55] Actually, Pink Cigarette might've been a more appropriate choice for the easy listening crowd. That whole album was more bizarre to me because I was expecting more of the same. -woops- [17:55] |tpocra| (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] <|tpocra|> Can I change the version of my RAID-1 md0 device's superblock from 1.1 to 0.9 without destroying it? [17:58] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:58] |tpocra|, try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=410136 [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432274.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432274.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:07] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad23aa.async.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:08] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:08] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:11] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:18] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5fdf) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [18:21] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:22] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FC47.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:25] goj (~goj@p4FE6AD0C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:25] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [18:25] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:26] dfunct (~dfunct@74-130-178-43.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Nick change: dfunct -> dFunct [18:29] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:29] is there any major difference using "mount -t ntfs" from "ntfs-3g" ? [18:30] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Silverrocker (~silverroc@d5152FC9E.static.telenet.be) left irc: [18:31] rogersman1: yes, being able to write to the NTFS partition yes or no [18:31] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:32] rogersman1: stupid question :-p [18:32] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:33] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:35] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:35] fiyawerx_ (~fiyawerx@166.137.11.92) joined ##slackware. [18:36] hey alienbob, coud you send me the link from your blog on how to install slack using a pendrive [18:36] i cant seem to locate it [18:37] crashdata: alien.slackbook.org [18:37] Search for "usb" on that blog [18:37] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:37] thank you [18:38] u have another procedure [18:38] on ur blog [18:39] nvm [18:39] found it thanks again [18:39] is there a OCR program for linux to convert a image into pdf (text/images)? [18:40] fiyawerx_ (~fiyawerx@166.137.11.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:42] powtrix, jocr [18:42] erm.. http://jocr.sourceforge.net/ [18:42] testing it *gocr [18:42] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-105-145.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:43] there's also tesseract [18:44] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-195-189.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:46] <|tpocra|> I have my RAID md superblocks at version 1.1 which was chosen automatically by the software. I want to make it 0.9 but I do not know how to alter it... I changed the 1.1 in mdadm.conf to 0.9 but I don't think that worked [18:48] fiyawerx_ (~fiyawerx@166.137.8.250) joined ##slackware. [18:50] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:11] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:14] after a week of testing kubuntu 10.04, time to go back to slack :-) [19:14] o_0 [19:14] you lasted a week - you have a strong stomach :) [19:15] hehe...well I was testing it out for my dad...trying to get him open source [19:15] probably good for newbies [19:15] yorick (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:16] probably [19:17] I'm sure there's a legitimite reason, but, why is kubuntu boot time ~15 seconds, but slack > 2min ? [19:17] why I only reboot one time each six moths [19:18] ubuntu is a sorry excuse for a linux [19:19] i like it but y would they trim it down [19:19] the functionality [19:19] oscillator, do you upgrade your distro? [19:19] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] i like how it resolve the dependancies for you... [19:19] but thats about it lolz [19:19] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] but diff good for ppl that are new to linux [19:20] yes powtrix... [19:20] as an example, it takes me about 30 seconds to get amarok 1.4 going on slack and about 15 mins on *ubuntu :-p [19:20] how do you upgrade a kernel w/o reboot? [19:20] yes [19:20] i have to use xubuntu for my netbook until i can get a bigger pen drive [19:20] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:20] doesnt even have /etc/innettab [19:21] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] oh jesus, greece is so f**ked [19:22] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:23] Good luck with 'd4tace'... [19:23] Socrates Tales... it is very bad [19:23] the money fuck the states.... [19:23] mind u, I wouldn't mind molatoving a bank too :-) [19:24] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:25] what is molatoving rogersman1 ? [19:25] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:25] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Quit: felipe [19:26] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] oscillator: I just made that word up... using a molotov cocktail :-D [19:27] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:27] rioters burnt down a bank today and killed 3 bankers [19:27] it is a good idea of course... [19:27] heavy shit [19:28] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [19:28] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Hi. Alright I'm getting tired of alt tabbing between kwrite + konsole to program C. [19:28] Any idea what is a better and more productive way to work? [19:29] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:29] Emacs :) [19:29] Can you please tell me a little more about emacs? [19:29] Sell me. [19:29] With your hands. Plow and plant a field, grow some crops. [19:29] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:30] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:30] They have written books about Emacs - it's practically an operating system in itself. Basically it is a VERY extensible editor that can be used nicely for an IDE and has it's own sheel out to console etc [19:31] Hm. [19:31] Really. [19:31] Okay I'm osld. [19:31] sold*, thank you NyteOwl. [19:31] riza: vim is sexier [19:31] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Bah. [19:31] vim vs emacs, which one then? [19:32] I am looking for one which is easy for dummies like me. [19:32] you'll never find an answer. read up/try both [19:32] try both and pick the one that suits you best. Editor preference can be a very subjective thing [19:32] Don't be a communist raela. >:) [19:32] is it a joke ?? [19:32] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] many flame wars happen over vim vs. emacs (then you get people who use nano, ed, etc hopping in...) [19:32] Really? [19:32] I never knew that. [19:32] yes. choosing an editor is serious business [19:33] At least, I thought it was just an inside joke. [19:33] is a joke !! [19:33] I wonder if anyone fights for kwrite. [19:33] nope. people are quite rabid about it, in the right context [19:33] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:33] I use vim and kwrite.. they each have their own uses for me [19:33] but, I do any code in vim [19:34] I also use vim [19:34] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] <3 vim [19:35] i do svae tabs on exit in ff 3.6 and when i start up there's no tabs [19:35] yes [19:36] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:36] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:37] mancha: it is a fatal experience [19:38] :() [19:38] Alright, ty guys. [19:38] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [19:38] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] it be broke [19:40] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] I dont know, after this and others I use opera [19:41] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:41] so it also happened to you? [19:41] but I love noscript [19:41] yes mancha [19:41] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:42] i love vimperator <3 [19:43] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@252.sub-70-210-187.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:43] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-124.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:46] fabriziox3m (~x3m@190.224.57.34) joined ##slackware. [19:47] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.62.244) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [19:48] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-20.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Action: oscillator So long slackers [19:49] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [19:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:52] hello o/ ... [19:58] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@252.sub-70-210-187.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [20:01] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [20:01] re [20:03] johndee (~id@95-29-184-244.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:04] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:04] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [20:07] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:08] mancha: i recommend the tab mix plus extension for saving tabs and such. it's really awesome. [20:08] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:09] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] i <3 vim and kate. never used kwrite. [20:10] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [20:10] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [20:12] nano for basic text editing and kwrite for scripting [20:15] i use emacs for scripting [20:15] I use bash [20:16] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-148-30-166.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:17] any from Greece here? [20:18] it's 3 am in greece.. [20:18] i'd suggest you check back when it's 3 pm in greece but they're sleeping then too [20:18] ;) [20:19] I'm from spain [20:19] cool [20:19] 2:30 [20:20] DaRkMuCk (~darkmuck@pool-98-117-240-86.hrbgpa.ftas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] i hate pao gasol [20:20] I hate basketball [20:22] you're a fan of ballet ? [20:22] of course [20:22] DaRkMuCk (~darkmuck@pool-98-117-240-86.hrbgpa.ftas.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:23] aach...for some reason all files and folders on ext HDD are chmod 777 ?! WTF? help! [20:23] bohunm (~mbohun@202.124.75.110) joined ##slackware. [20:24] bohunm (~mbohun@202.124.75.110) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:24] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:24] it is really strange... [20:24] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.110) joined ##slackware. [20:24] what do you want us to do? [20:25] rogersman1: what filesystem is the ecxternal drive formatted to? [20:25] NyteOwl: NTFS [20:25] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [20:25] rogersman1: Is this a windows partition? [20:25] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:26] well it came formatted ntfs and I havent formatted since i got it...this just happened in the last 5 minutes after copying a slackware installation over to it [20:28] Action: oscillator peace for all, bye [20:28] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [20:29] ntfs does not have a clue how the handle *nix permissions [20:29] ?! [20:29] its like dolphin set umask to 777 ! [20:29] NTFS won't preserve unix file permissionsnope. and 777 is the equivalent to the default NTFS permissions [20:31] you can do it with ntfs-3g and user mapping [20:31] just rebooted and still there...this is weird [20:32] mancha but it isn't the default [20:33] that's a separate issue [20:33] i was addressing " NTFS won't preserve unix file permissions" [20:34] CloudMonkee (~ken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] CloudMonkee (ken@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [20:36] new: memtest86+-4.10.zip [20:37] NyteOwl, you can get a bit fancy if you want (note: i am not suggesting you'd want to) but it will allow you to even use the otions available to windows/ntfs that are not available to standard linux/acl [20:38] for example, a list of users associated to a file each with a set of access controls. this can in theory be mapped over to the linux side though i've never done it. [20:38] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.110) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:40] ntfs-3g was really a godsend in terms of linux/windows communication...the kernel ntfs driver was crap for so long and even now i'd not trust it with critical data. [20:41] yup, it can be doen but it takes some doing. [20:41] bbiab - companya rrivced [20:41] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:43] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.110) joined ##slackware. [20:43] Anyone have any experience with conky and KDE 4? [20:46] agentc0re sorry, missed your comment. thanks for the suggestion, will look at the extension you mentioned. [20:49] NaCl, superkaramba+addon [20:49] jidohki 1.2 [20:49] Nick change: mshade -> dimeshake [20:52] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [20:52] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:53] eh. [20:53] conky looks a lot more clean. [20:53] If I could actually get it to go windowless [20:53] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [20:53] conky used to fuck up when i made it windowless (if i quit it qold leave lines on my desktop) [20:54] qold=would [20:54] has that BUG been fixed cause that's why i swore it off [20:54] It doesn't even render here. [20:55] so they fixed it by nto drawing any lines to begin with? [20:55] I'm not sure what to blame [20:57] DoYouKnow (~michael@adsl-71-155-238-129.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] NaCl: In that case we blame BP{k}. [20:58] what about rob0? [20:58] NaCl: yeah he gets blamed after that. [20:59] heh [20:59] should the default kernel included with slackware have everything I need kernel-wise for ACPI? [20:59] speedstep and sleep [21:00] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.62.244) joined ##slackware. [21:02] should be [21:04] ok. what package is recomended by the experts for controling the acpi features of the kernel? [21:04] I want to be able to wake up and sleep in the console [21:04] I don't care about X so much [21:04] geckos (~player@bd21e2f3.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:05] fabriziox3m (~x3m@190.224.57.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:05] or is there a command, or something? [21:05] I've always had problems with suspending in console [21:05] pm-suspend / pm-hibernate [21:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [21:06] NaCl: intel gpu? [21:07] DoYouKnow (~michael@adsl-71-155-238-129.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:07] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-20.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:07] XGizzmo: nvidia [21:07] hmm [21:07] NaCl: I did too with ati, until more recent kernels [21:08] usually people have no problem suspending, it is the resume which screws them up [21:08] mancha: correct [21:08] yea, thats more accurate [21:08] true [21:09] most often it is screwey drivers (video included) [21:10] Applefanboy (~Ulisses@187.17.157.108) joined ##slackware. [21:10] but yep, that's one area where windows 0wns linux: power mgmt. i think it is because all HW makers have to pass that test to get the little sticker (guessing) [21:10] I succed to install and boot slackware 13 from pendrive using a LABEL entry to find the usb device, thanks for all! :^) [21:10] suceed* [21:11] geckos, post your working lilo.conf [21:11] mancha: Thanks ;) [21:11] got no X [21:11] yet [21:11] geckos, no problem, glad it worked :) [21:11] no need for x, just need networking [21:12] type this: cat /etc/lilo.conf | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us [21:12] eek, sorry, one line [21:12] cat /etc/lilo.conf | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us [21:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:13] it'll spit out "http://sprunge.us/$ABCD" that's your link [21:14] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:15] DoYouKnow (~michael@adsl-71-155-238-129.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] the screen doesn't come back up after pm-suspend [21:15] hmmm [21:16] mancha: curl is concerning me because of libsals2.so.2 [21:18] ViN86 (ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-TWO-O-FOUR.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [21:18] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.62.244) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [21:19] fabriziox3m (~x3m@190.137.201.14) joined ##slackware. [21:19] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] mancha: ok now it works [21:20] http://sprunge.us/BDKH [21:21] aha, looks good to me [21:21] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) joined ##slackware. [21:22] mmm why is that vim isn't compiled with xterm_clipboard support ? :P [21:23] strange syntax: "root=label=blah" [21:23] yeap [21:23] geckos: Did you install slack to pendrive? [21:23] johndee: Yes [21:23] finaly [21:23] geckos: In rw mode? [21:24] lly [21:24] ro [21:24] why? :O [21:24] geckos: I mean, is the root fs writable? [21:24] yeap [21:24] ye [21:24] Oh [21:24] s [21:25] something wrong? [21:25] fabriziox3m (~x3m@190.137.201.14) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:25] geckos: Nope, nothing. Just asking [21:26] phew [21:27] DoYouKnow (~michael@adsl-71-155-238-129.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:28] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [21:28] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:29] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:30] question: Are all mirrors in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors identical? I mean have same packages, etc.. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6BF8C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] no [21:33] there are different versions of slack in the mirror file [21:34] goj (~goj@p5488FC47.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:34] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:37] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:38] DoYouKnow (~michael@adsl-71-155-238-129.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] xBrX_ (~mr@187.37.31.83) joined ##slackware. [21:40] XGizzmo: so the nearest is the better choice.. Thanks [21:41] fabriziox3m (~x3m@190.138.107.219) joined ##slackware. [21:41] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. 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