[00:00] <ice799> Dominian: you didn't follow the discussion above.
[00:00] <ice799> Dominian: Exactly as I said.
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[00:00] <Dominian> ice799: What you think is a valid argument isn't going to convince everyone else.
[00:00] <ice799> Dominian: If you care to understand, please see the above disccusion.
[00:00] <fire|bird> hey Rat409, I installed that weather plasmoid, seems really nice. It has some weird font issue if you resize it sometimes, but works very well.
[00:00] <mancha> I am now thoroughly confused by Dominian
[00:00] <ice799> Dominian: being able to use monitoring and debugging tools without having to rebuild stuff is extremely useful.
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[00:01] <mancha> <Dominian> mancha: I still have yet to see a valid argument as to why stripping the binaries in anyway will be helpful.
[00:01] <ice799> Dominian: especially if you are attempting to catch and isolate extremely rare behavior which does not easily reproduce.
[00:01] <RedSocrates> Wait, is this channel on repeat?
[00:01] <mancha> did you mean not stripping?
[00:01] <Rat409> fire|bird:  cool still in pek but i'll try it later
[00:01] <Dominian> Frankly, I leave it up to the devs of the software to debug/monitor their own issues.. if I have a bug.. I report it.. done.
[00:01] <fire|bird> Rat409: cool.
[00:01] <danc3> ice799: out of 1000 "regular" users of Slackware, how many do you think care/need to use debugging tools?
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[00:01] <ice799> Users or *systems* ?
[00:01] <danc3> users
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[00:02] <ice799> I think the question should be *systems*, in which case, a lot.
[00:02] <Dominian> I've been using Slackware nearly.... forever... Wanna know how many times I've used debugging tools?  Zero.
[00:02] <danc3> Nope, if you're the maintainer of the distro, you target "users" , not systems
[00:02] <mancha> anyhow, i am too confused now, not sure if domian likes stripping or not heh. anyhow, i do want to clear up his straw man argument from before...he incorrectly attributed a position to me and then attacked it.
[00:02] <danc3> the answer to the question, by the way, is probably less than ONE
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[00:02] <ice799> danc3: Completely false.
[00:03] <mancha> wikipedia.com has a nice entry on straw man arguments, if needed.
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[00:03] <twolf> 42
[00:03] <danc3> ice799: wrong
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[00:06] <mancha> also another important thing to keep in mind when immediately bashing anyone who has a suggestion on a change to slackware is that slackware was born because pat's suggestions to SLS were nixxed
[00:06] <Dominian> then fork Slackware and don't strip the binaries
[00:07] Action: Dominian shrugs
[00:07] Action: danc3 agrees
[00:07] <mancha> i was thinking more along the lines of not repeating past mistaked
[00:07] <mancha> mistakes*
[00:07] <danc3> we're not talking about any *mistakes* here
[00:08] <Dominian> keep in mind.. ice799 isn't the first person to "suggest" this.
[00:08] <mancha> i understand your position, it is basically "slackware is the way it is, if you don't like it fuck off". i have a different perspective. mine is "slackware is great, i will continue to use it but i am not naive enough to think it is perfect"
[00:08] <danc3> it makes sense to keep the distro smaller (faster?), for the 999.5 out of 1000 users who don't need/understand debugging
[00:08] <ice799> mancha: is the only sane person here.
[00:08] <ice799> danc3: yes but smaller by what metric?
[00:08] <danc3> ice799: I don't know
[00:09] <ice799> OK, so then your argument is meaningless if you don't have a way of measuring 'small'
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[00:09] <danc3> mancha:  that's pretty close.  It's the "Slackware Way"
[00:09] <Dominian> mancha: Hrm.. I don't recall any one saying Slackware was perfect.
[00:09] <mancha> danc3, you are so far off the mark on what the slackware way means it would be pointless to argue it
[00:09] <dmonk> FWIW - im a new user and what drew me to slack was that its like a garage with all of the tools out for you  to use, or something,
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[00:10] <danc3> mancha: OK then stop arguing
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[00:10] <dmonk> i like being able to take things apart
[00:10] <mancha> the slackware way is not about being a little robot that says "if you don't like it go to #gentoo"
[00:10] Action: danc3 adds mancha to the /ignore list
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[00:11] <andarius> the slackware way is ... to eat WAFFLES !!!
[00:11] <dmonk> rock
[00:12] <mancha> so danc3 has shown he is not open to suggestions re: slackware (cf his attacks on ice) and also not even open to other people's opinions (cf ignoring me)
[00:12] <mancha> by the way, the open source community is premised on openness wrt approaches, ideas, solutions, etc. maybe you're in the wrong place....overall.
[00:13] <Guest4434> why do the changes i make to /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa not change anything, i did restart x
[00:13] <dmonk> mancha:are you involved with slack development?
[00:14] <mancha> it needs rto be xorg.conf
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[00:14] <Guest4434> mancha: i just rename it?
[00:14] <danc3> Guest4434: rename that file to xorg.conf, make changes, restart X
[00:14] <mancha> Guest, that is one option. backup your other on thohg
[00:14] <Guest4434> thanx
[00:15] <mancha> dmonk, i submit things to pat (mainly security issues). not sure what you mean by development...afaik slackware doesn't really send things upstream (correct me if i am wrong)
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[00:16] <dmonk> mancha:no,  im just new here, and to linux, and found the debate interesting.
[00:16] <dmonk> mancha: i like the concept of user generated open software
[00:17] <rworkman> We send stuff upstream all the time
[00:17] <rworkman> Usually minor stuff, but still
[00:17] <mancha> dmonk, slackware has an official (or semi-official) group of folks who help pat package things for the new versions. also there's an extended family who send things via SBo (these usually work their way in when they're good)
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[00:18] <dmonk> mancha:the system seems to work very well. Slackware is awesome.
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[00:19] Action: andarius wants to be sent up stream... with a paddle :)
[00:19] <mancha> dmonk i agree it is a great distrib. probably getting harder to manager monolitically as linux grows more and more complex though
[00:19] <mancha> s/manager/manage
[00:21] Action: fire|bird sends andarius upstream with 2 paddles.
[00:22] <andarius> sweet!!
[00:22] Action: andarius drops the beer in the cold stream and kicks back :)
[00:22] <fire|bird> lol
[00:23] <mancha> i understand i tick some people off who are ultra gung-ho on slackware and wont permit even the mildest critcism...but i am sorry, i am unable to not be true to my ideas. you can always expect me to speak my mind honestly - even if this causes me to lose some "friends"
[00:26] <antiwire> I'm pretty certain that a large percent of the people in here either directly support or indirectly rely on linux distributions other than Slackware, and they might not even know it.
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[00:32] <mancha> well that filled my quota for irc-politics for at least a month!  :)
[00:32] <andarius> vote slack-bama !!!
[00:32] <andarius> wait...
[00:33] Action: andarius tazes himself :(
[00:33] <mancha> don't taze me, bro?
[00:33] <fire|bird> andarius: what?!?! I thought you were upstream somewhere by now. :P
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[00:33] <antiwire> taze fire|bird too
[00:34] <mancha> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s
[00:34] <fire|bird> what did I do? :P
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[00:34] <fire|bird> y0 agentc0re
[00:34] Action: agentc0re is not dead
[00:34] <agentc0re> \0/
[00:35] <agentc0re> sup fire|bird?
[00:35] <andarius> fire|bird: due to beer consumption and the incurred lazyness i have drifted back ;)
[00:35] <fire|bird> agentc0re: not much, just eating. you?
[00:35] <fire|bird> andarius: Ah, ok. :)
[00:36] <fire|bird> agentc0re: Oh, and antiwire wants me to be tazed.
[00:36] <agentc0re> lol
[00:36] <agentc0re> da, da, da, don't taze me bro!
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[00:37] Action: agentc0re flips the light switch on and off real quick a bunch of times.
[00:37] <agentc0re> remix!!!
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[00:39] <agentc0re> fire|bird: http://www.roosters-metacreations.com/USERIMAGES/100_2861.JPG  your new pic..
[00:39] Action: agentc0re goes into lurking mode
[00:39] <agentc0re> nite all, :P
[00:39] <fire|bird> wow, I've been immortalized in the form of plastic forks.
[00:40] <fire|bird> and knives
[00:40] <fire|bird> and spoons (for tail feathers)
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[00:40] <fire|bird> agentc0re: admit it, that's your creation, isn't it. One day, you got board, sat and thought, what can I do, and...... :P
[00:41] <agentc0re> maybe....
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[00:41] <fire|bird> whoops, s/board/bored/
[00:41] <agentc0re> eviljames: HOLY FSCK!
[00:41] <fire|bird> eviljames: bah, not you again. :P
[00:42] <fire|bird> agentc0re: see, eviljames isn't dead either.
[00:42] Action: agentc0re passes eviljames a 4 corners porter!
[00:42] <eviljames> hahah, ##slackware was in evil-withdrawl
[00:42] <agentc0re> :D
[00:42] <eviljames> agentc0re: when will the first batch be ready for tasting? :P
[00:42] <agentc0re> haha
[00:42] <agentc0re> i have 4 new beers going right now.  pils, hefe, stout and ipa.  3-4 more weeks.
[00:43] <agentc0re> I need to transfer them before i go on vacation too.
[00:43] <eviljames> Sweet!  What did we say the stout would be named?
[00:43] <agentc0re> eviljames: i dunno, but i have it documented.
[00:43] <eviljames> heh sweet
[00:43] <agentc0re> alright, nite all.
[00:43] <fire|bird> night agentc0re
[00:44] <eviljames> g'nite
[00:44] <eviljames> fscking skunk and a racoon got in a fight in the alley behind my apartment
[00:44] <fire|bird> that must've went well.
[00:44] <eviljames> I wish I had filmed it.
[00:44] <eviljames> I don't think the racoon knew what hit him.. he ended up sitting in the alley kinda stunned.
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[00:45] <eviljames> but, of course, the whole block smells like burnt buttcheeks now.
[00:45] <fire|bird> lol
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[00:45] <fire|bird> Do I dare ask? When did you first discover how burnt buttcheeks smelled?
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[00:50] <eviljames> Sometimes I like to light things on fire.  Sometimes that thing is my own butt.
[00:50] <eviljames> What of it?
[00:51] <fire|bird> hahahaha
[00:51] <eviljames> I was going to go with a lighting farts joke, but I wasn't sure it would've gone as well
[00:52] <fire|bird> I'm sure the gf appreciates that; I'm sure not even febreeze is up to that task.
[00:52] <redtricycle> ...dang
[00:52] <redtricycle> Do some viruses partition your flash drive and hides itself on a partition?
[00:52] <redtricycle> my windows computer at work put a virus on the thumbdrive
[00:52] <redtricycle> -_-
[00:53] <redtricycle> I wouldnt have noticed it if I never ran Linux
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[01:03] <eviljames> redtricycle: yeah, it's just one more attack vector that they're taking advantage of.
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[01:03] <eviljames> people don't think of it, and windows doesn't bother to protect against it.
[01:04] <redtricycle> ughhhhh
[01:04] <redtricycle> I wish I didnt ask for Admin access on my windows comp
[01:04] <redtricycle> It's asking for trouble -_-
[01:05] <redtricycle> =/
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[01:10] <Guest6337> no matter how much i try to set up dual screen editing xorg manually i just end up running nvidia-settings
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[01:10] <twolf> whatever works
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[01:11] <Guest6337> yeah, it just occurred to me i can check it out after its working
[01:12] <jeev> man i need something to do with these servers
[01:12] <jeev> what's something cool
[01:12] <eviljames> bruteforcing
[01:12] <eviljames> see how long it takes to brute force your own password
[01:13] <jeev> eviljames, when you have as many servers as i do
[01:13] <jeev> your password tends to be weak
[01:13] <jeev> :<
[01:13] <jeev> well, at least mine does heh
[01:13] <eviljames> hahah, your password is 'a'
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[01:13] <jeev> you never know
[01:13] <jeev> i owned straterra earlier in call of duty 4
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[01:22] <jeev> evilgaymes
[01:22] <jeev> i mean james
[01:22] <jeev> where have you been anywa
[01:23] <jeev> Time is 10:23pm, computer has been up for 2w 3d 13h 59m 32s
[01:23] <jeev> hmm
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[01:23] <jeev> vista is laggin
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[01:24] <mako-sama> jeev: not it's not
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[01:26] <jeev> what
[01:26] <mako-sama> it's not lagging.
[01:26] <mako-sama> :P
[01:26] <jeev> it sure is
[01:26] <mako-sama> tactical delay.. it's a feautre
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[01:27] <jeev> pfft
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[01:32] <jeev> hahahaha JENNA bush said her dad was offered a job at a hardware store, then she said "overqualified" hahahahahahahahahah
[01:32] <jeev> you mean under qualified
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[01:42] <jeev> hahahah
[01:42] <jeev> both have the love for books
[01:42] <jeev> hahahah
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[01:53] <Rat409>  /cl
[01:55] <BP{k}> ear!
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[01:58] <mancha> wax
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[02:00] <fire|bird> Rat409: why not just alias /cl to /clear? :P
[02:01] <fire|bird> and then make it remove the extra space that makes it fail.
[02:01] <fire|bird> BP{k}: http://omploader.org/vMnA4eA
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[02:06] <Rat409> just big fingers
[02:07] Action: fire|bird designs a big key keyboard for Rat409. :P
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[02:07] <Rat409> thanks lol
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[02:18] <fire|bird> hahaha, Rat409: http://www.bigkeys.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=2&idproduct=1
[02:18] <BP{k}> fire|bird: nice :)
[02:19] <slava_dp> the return key is epic
[02:21] <fire|bird> slava_dp: yeah, if you miss that, there's really something wrong. :P
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[02:27] <PugeHenis> From the Prince-Bishop and from ail his nobles,
[02:27] <Rat409> epic is an understatement lol
[02:27] <PugeHenis> To Selim Pasha; Greeting responsive to the letter!
[02:27] <PugeHenis> This hard nut is fruit that, giveth wonder:
[02:27] <PugeHenis> Thou crackst it not, except thou crack thy teeth;
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[02:27] <PugeHenis> The price of wine is not what once it was;
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[02:33] <fire|bird> Rat409: that keyboard should work for ya, right? :P
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[02:35] <Rat409> indeed
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[02:54] <slackytude> morning
[02:54] <slackytude> its fucking cold
[02:55] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
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[02:57] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird
[02:58] <slava_dp> morning slackytude
[02:59] <slackytude> y0 slava_dp
[03:01] <slackytude> quit morning, uh?
[03:01] <slackytude> quite
[03:01] <fire|bird> yeah, it's really quiet
[03:01] <slackytude> man
[03:01] <slackytude> thats what I meant
[03:01] <slackytude> too early
[03:01] Action: slackytude drinks coffee
[03:03] <Zosma> Cold it is, quiet it is. And 3 hours of sleep isn't enough...
[03:03] <Rat409> night guys, ya'll be well.
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[03:04] <slava_dp> i had 7 hours of sleep this night but i feel really tired
[03:04] <slava_dp> must be related to foggy weather
[03:05] Action: slackytude nods
[03:06] <slackytude> oh well, I guess I can manage 8 hours of sitting on my butt
[03:06] <slackytude> not much too do anyway
[03:06] <slava_dp> at least the flu will die in the fog
[03:07] <Zosma> Dark days sometimes also add up to the tired feeling.
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[03:16] <Axius> Why bck-i-search does not work when I am running screen as root?
[03:16] Action: The-Croupier waves at everybody...
[03:17] <slackytude> y0 The-Croupier
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[03:17] <slava_dp> heya The-Croupier
[03:18] <The-Croupier> hows it going today guys??? friday is near ;)
[03:18] <slackytude> its cold
[03:18] <slackytude> and foggy
[03:18] <slackytude> and Im tired
[03:19] <The-Croupier> slackytude: you at home at least?
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[03:22] <The-Croupier> slackytude: i read the other day that there was a nice bug on the previous kernel apart from the new update... it was in theregister.co.uk ;) cant seem to find it now... still looking for it ;)
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[03:23] <The-Croupier> asked about it in the kernel channel ..noone seemed to be aware of that...at least thats the impression i got ;)
[03:23] <slava_dp> the previous = which one?
[03:23] <The-Croupier> the new update is 3.2 isnt it?
[03:24] <fire|bird> hi The-Croupier
[03:24] <The-Croupier> sorry 6.32
[03:24] <The-Croupier> hiya fire|bird
[03:24] <slava_dp> linux 3.2 ? heh, sounds like distant future
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[03:24] <The-Croupier> well apart from 6.32 all the rest have something going on.... i have to find the site :(
[03:24] <The-Croupier> slava_dp: ^^changed it above ;)
[03:25] Action: slava_dp is still on .27.7-generic on the laptop and on .30.9-custom on two desktops :-)
[03:25] <The-Croupier> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/linux_kernel_vulnerability/
[03:25] <The-Croupier> there it is..
[03:26] <fire|bird> I'm using 2.6.31.5 on both desktop and laptop. :P
[03:27] <The-Croupier> in the end of the document it says that only RHAT is currently vulnerable on that but still, i wouldnt risk it...if you are any concerned with security...;)...i go crazy sometimes sorry ;)
[03:27] <fhobia> how do you boot from a cd using a macbook ?
[03:28] <tewmten> fucking hell not another kernel bug
[03:28] <fhobia> googled it :-P
[03:28] <fire|bird> just putting the cd in and starting the pc doesn't work?
[03:28] <fire|bird> hey tewmten
[03:28] <slackytude> isnt that the same kernel bug?
[03:28] <tewmten> hola fire|bird
[03:28] <slackytude> the minmapo issue
[03:28] <slackytude> minmap
[03:28] <fire|bird> slackytude: yes, it is.
[03:29] <slackytude> leave it to the register to report that as news
[03:29] <fire|bird> fhobia: you figured it out? Otherwise, send me a macbook and I'll figure it out. ;)
[03:29] <fire|bird> tewmten: How's it going?
[03:30] <tewmten> fire|bird: oh fine until The-Croupier posted that link about the kernel vuln
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[03:30] <fire|bird> lol
[03:30] <fhobia> lol
[03:30] <fhobia> trying out elive :-)
[03:30] <fire|bird> The-Croupier: You take that link back, look what you've done to tewmten now. :/
[03:30] <The-Croupier> tewmten: sorry...:(
[03:30] Action: The-Croupier hides...
[03:31] <tewmten> funny thing is
[03:31] <tewmten> why didnt my hosting provider alert me of this
[03:31] <The-Croupier> tewmten: would you prefer to know there is life after death or not? your choice :p
[03:31] <tewmten> same as the null pointer derefernce bug.. they didnt alert me of that either
[03:32] <tewmten> The-Croupier: i prefer if there wasn't life after death
[03:32] <The-Croupier> tewmten: cos your hosting provider maybe doesnt use slackware and doesnt have  a bookmark of most of the security sites online... and doesnt have a program to monitor every single change on them :p
[03:32] <tewmten> i would like to relax at some point you know!
[03:32] <Naraku> good night boys and girls and The-Croupier
[03:32] <tewmten> The-Croupier: no they're running RHEL and have tons of monitoring systems, but doesnt feel the need to communicate this to us
[03:32] <The-Croupier> tewmten: relax??? what is that? new word?
[03:32] <The-Croupier> Naraku: bb
[03:32] <fire|bird> see ya Naraku
[03:33] <The-Croupier> tewmten: hhahahah they might be till vulnerable ;) nice ;)
[03:33] <slava_dp> "boys and girls and The-Croupier" lol
[03:33] Action: The-Croupier goes for a coffee/food break 
[03:33] <fire|bird> relax: become less tense, rest, or take one's ease
[03:33] <slava_dp> gtg now. take care slackers.
[03:33] <The-Croupier> slava_dp: you see... you cannot address The-Croupier as all the other mortals ;)
[03:33] <fire|bird> see ya slackytude
[03:33] <fire|bird> err, slava_dp
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[03:33] <The-Croupier> slava_dp: bye bye bye
[03:34] <The-Croupier> damn, so close
[03:34] <fire|bird> yet so far away
[03:34] <The-Croupier> lol
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[03:34] <The-Croupier> seeya in 20mins ;) hope you dont disappear
[03:34] <fire|bird> lol
[03:35] <fire|bird> in 20 minutes? yeah, I'll still be here.
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[03:41] <slackytude> fire|bird: isnt it kinda late for you?
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[03:43] <fire|bird> slackytude: Well, 02:41, so I won't be on that much longer. Usually around 03:00 - 03:15 is when I call it a night.
[03:43] <Axius_> Why bck-i-search does not work when I'm  running screen as root? I'm useing zsh shell. Someone had the this problem?
[03:44] <slackytude> fire|bird: oy
[03:44] <slackytude> fire|bird: that is kinda late
[03:44] <fire|bird> slackytude: yeah, sort of. :P
[03:45] <fire|bird> hahaha, fortune: Men seldom show dimples to girls who have pimples.
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[03:51] <tewmten> There once was a fellow named Dave,
[03:51] <tewmten> Who kept a dead whore in a cave.
[03:51] <tewmten> I have to admit,
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[03:51] <tewmten> She smelled like shit,
[03:51] <tewmten> But, think of the money he saved!
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[03:51] <tewmten> it was worth it
[03:51] <fire|bird> welcome back poetic tewmten
[03:56] <nille_> tewmten gaskammare.se strange domain name and i speak swedish
[03:57] <fire|bird> hey nille_
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[03:58] <nille_> hi fire|bird was up
[03:59] <fire|bird> nille_: not much, won't be online too much longer, 02:58. How about you?
[04:00] <nille_> 09:59 here. i'm fine
[04:00] <tewmten> nille_: it means: gas chamber
[04:01] <pprkut> nille_: hey, long time no see :)
[04:01] <nille_> well i been busy
[04:02] <nille_> i haven't evan had time to check my builds against slackware64
[04:03] <nille_> tewten i know "jag talar svenska"
[04:03] <pprkut> hehe
[04:03] <Zordrak> Morn
[04:03] <tewmten> nille_: :)
[04:03] <fire|bird> morning Zordrak
[04:04] <nille_> wrong channel i know but is it possible to run an dos program in win7_64 in dosbox or something
[04:05] <nille_> pprkut you haven't "stolen" all my builds i hope :p
[04:06] <pprkut> nille_: me? steal? never.... :P
[04:07] <fire|bird> nille_: nah, just borrowed, he'll give em back. ;)
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[04:08] <nille_> i i see it's piracy
[04:08] <nille_> i will call mpaa
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[04:08] <pprkut> :o
[04:09] Action: pprkut takes his pirate hat
[04:09] <pprkut> harrrrr
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[04:10] <fire|bird> pprkut is now known as pirate|pprkut
[04:10] <nille_> he the deadliest pirate with an paper
[04:10] <pprkut> or, ppprkut, if written shorter :P
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[04:15] Action: nille_ is installing slackware64 and windows7 on fathers laptop in hope that he won't need my help with it anytime soon (optimistic view)
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[04:16] <BP{k}> very optimistic ;)
[04:16] <fire|bird> extremely optimistic
[04:16] <hoho`> BP{k}
[04:16] <nille_> yeah but atleast he can boot slackware when it doesn't work
[04:17] <hoho`> are u a girl?
[04:17] <Zordrak> nille_: google dosbox its exactly what you seem to be after
[04:17] <fire|bird> hoho`: No, BP{k} is not a girl.
[04:18] <nille_> Zordrak will it work on 64bit since dos run in 16bit
[04:18] <hoho`> why not?
[04:18] <Zordrak> nille_: dosbox is an emulator
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[04:18] <nille_> yes  BP{k} is my bitch ;)
[04:19] <fire|bird> lol
[04:19] <fire|bird> nille_: that's why you haven't been around much? :P
[04:19] <nille_> Zordrak ok thanks i was worried that it wouldn't work
[04:19] <hoho`> sorry nille_
[04:19] <hoho`> wrong girl
[04:19] <hoho`> i will find another
[04:20] <Zordrak> if dosbox has a compatible version it will work
[04:20] Action: nille_ hahaha
[04:20] <hoho`> what is dosbox?
[04:20] <hoho`> is like xbox
[04:20] <fire|bird> no
[04:20] <tewmten> yeah
[04:20] <tewmten> but with dos
[04:20] <hoho`> but chinese imitation?
[04:20] <tewmten> instead of x
[04:20] <Zordrak> hoho`: 09:18:14 < Zordrak> nille_: dosbox is an emulator
[04:22] <hoho`> og
[04:22] <hoho`> oh
[04:22] <hoho`> DOSBox, an x86 emulator with DOS
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[04:24] <hoho`> tsonev
[04:24] <hoho`> have u ever tried dosbox
[04:24] <hoho`> ?
[04:24] <nille_> Zordrak it seems like it will work there is an version for x86 and x86_64 for vista so i guess i have to try to know for sure
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[04:26] <nille_> i used dosbox alot but i like dosemu much better in linux. but since vista i have used dosbox in windows.
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[04:27] <Zordrak> i only ever used dosbox for playing A Final Unity on XP
[04:27] <slackytude> dosbox is funky
[04:28] <delt0r_> dosbox->UFO enemy unknown (xcom), for the win!
[04:28] <fire|bird> Well, time to get going. Later guys. Take care.
[04:28] <slackytude> great game
[04:29] <fire|bird> see ya slackytude
[04:29] <slackytude> fire|bird: see ya
[04:29] <slackytude> fire|bird: first time I actaully catch you leaving
[04:29] <fire|bird> slackytude: haha, yeah.
[04:29] <slackytude> fire|bird: you usually go away when Im afk
[04:29] <fire|bird> yeah, usually.
[04:29] <slackytude> so, see ya
[04:29] <slackytude> :P
[04:29] <fire|bird> see ya ::
[04:29] <fire|bird> :P
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[04:33] <nille_> UFO enemy unknown (xcom) rocks
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[04:34] <slackytude> aye
[04:35] <slackytude> I liked the sequel as well
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[04:40] <nille_> are UFO: Alien Invasion playable now? last time i tried it it was to many bugs
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[04:47] <Zordrak>  Can someone please explain to me why there's been a recent explosien in 3D Cinema releases? I could understand if it was a new glasses-free technology.. but this shit's been around since the fifties, people(!)
[04:50] <delt0r_> Zordrak: I think its many CG films...
[04:51] <delt0r_> And they want a reason to go to cinemas rather than bit torrent... Thats my guess
[04:51] <slackytude> more cpu power for them fancy perspective calculations
[04:51] <slackytude> delt0r_: yeah
[04:51] <slackytude> at uni, there is this really cool 3D projection system
[04:52] <delt0r_> slackytude: We use the nvida setup for protine folding stuff
[04:52] <slackytude> nifty
[04:53] <delt0r_> once its was SGI machines and the glasses cost 3k
[04:53] <slackytude> heh
[04:53] <slackytude> SGI machines were nice, back in the day
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[04:54] <Zordrak> i do not like autofs
[04:54] <Zordrak> argh
[04:55] <Camarade_Tux> and they could do 3D cinema without glasses ^^
[04:55] <Camarade_Tux> the trouble with 3D cinema with glasses is that it gives some people headaches
[04:55] <Camarade_Tux> also, I guess one advantage is that you can make a screener :D
[04:57] <slackytude> y0 Camarade_Tux
[04:57] <slackytude> without glasses?
[04:57] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: remember my summer internship? :P
[04:57] <Camarade_Tux> anyone has experience with Patriot RAM?
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[05:00] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: holograms!
[05:00] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: Im still wating for my hologram with nekkid women
[05:00] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[05:00] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: is that a mel gibson pron parody?
[05:01] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: it's nix_chix0r's fault: she hasn't given me the pictures! :D
[05:01] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: ^^
[05:01] <Camarade_Tux> no idea :P
[05:01] <Zordrak> omg
[05:01] <Zordrak> autofs managaed to panic a rhel3 box
[05:02] <Zordrak> i hate them both
[05:03] Action: Camarade_Tux gives Zordrak a candy
[05:03] <Camarade_Tux> here, here, don't cry
[05:04] <Zordrak> worse.. its not coming back up.. this might be a full on h/w hang
[05:05] <Camarade_Tux> another candy? :D
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[05:07] <slackytude> Zordrak killed the redhat star
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[05:08] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: bah, excuses
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I'll build you one with geek pron pictures :)
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> ok, Phenom II X4 955 BE (140 euros) and PC8500 DDR2 RAM (4GB for now, 63 euros), sounds good :D
[05:12] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: \o/
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> plus HD and MB, 300 to 350 euros :)
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[05:13] <slackytude> and a blueray dvd player!
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[05:14] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: no way! it'd make everything 50% more expensive!
[05:15] <Camarade_Tux> no cd/dvd/blu-ray player actually ^^
[05:15] <Camarade_Tux> no screen either ^^
[05:16] <slackytude> no video card?
[05:17] <Camarade_Tux> integrated, but that's a radeon 4200
[05:17] <Camarade_Tux> and only because the mobo with it is less expensive and better
[05:18] <Camarade_Tux> (than others without graphic card)
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[05:21] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: so, this is going to  be your heavy lifting box. for compilations and so on?
[05:21] <Camarade_Tux> he, that's some cooling: http://wd.ch-img.com/1082351-powercolor-scs3-hd5750-01.jpg
[05:21] <slackytude> whee, got my google wave account!
[05:21] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: yup
[05:21] <OclkdMan> hi all.
[05:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: ^^
[05:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: is it even useful? :D
[05:22] <Camarade_Tux> hi OclkdMan
[05:22] <OclkdMan> recently when compiling programs with slackbuilds i have always the same problem
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[05:23] <OclkdMan> the compilation ends corretly but when it gives "make install" the script stops
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[05:24] <OclkdMan> i have not skills to debug this thing.....
[05:25] <nooper> is there an error message?
[05:25] <OclkdMan> i've tried to compile scite with slackbuilds.org script and other 3 progs. but the package was never created. the script stops before it ends correctly.
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[05:26] <OclkdMan> no.. and that's the problem. the last time i've tried "scite" and this is the output after the compilation.
[05:27] <OclkdMan> http://pastebin.com/m5467db27
[05:27] <OclkdMan> but, i think, it is not a problem of a single package.
[05:28] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: still checking
[05:28] <OclkdMan> ps: i have slackware64-current. i've tried in these days gcc4.3 , 4.4.1 ,4.4.2 .   same results.
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[05:31] <OclkdMan> all slackbuild seem to stop after this: $make install DESTDIR=$PKG
[05:31] <OclkdMan> *slackbuilds
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[05:33] <Zordrak> OclkdMan: are ou passing ARCH to the scripts?
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[05:34] <OclkdMan> i always modify the ARCH value in the slackbuild to x86_64. nothing more.
[05:34] <pprkut> OclkdMan: are you using bash4?
[05:34] <OclkdMan> yes
[05:34] <pprkut> that's the reason
[05:34] <Zordrak> OclkdMan: ok.. FYI its not necessary to modify the script.. just call it like this:   ARCH=x86_64 ./foo.SlackBuild
[05:35] <nooper> DESTDIR=$PKG will install it to /tmp/SBo/something..
[05:35] <Zordrak> pprkut: thx for dealing with ipmitool btw.. saved me some hassle
[05:35] <pprkut> OclkdMan: the subshell behaviour in bash4 changed, so if something in the subshell calls an exit, the whole SlackBuilds stops there as well
[05:35] <pprkut> Zordrak: no problem :)
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[05:36] <pprkut> OclkdMan: I guess that's not an entirely correct explanation, but it does the trick
[05:36] <OclkdMan> pprkut: now i downgrade to bash 3, not in testing, and reboot. Zordrak: thx for the tip.   i'll be back to post result.
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[05:39] <nmoura> hi people
[05:40] <byteframe> sexy ibm : http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/hyperlab/cabinet/00782046/img55789073.jpg
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[05:41] <nooper> i love those tiny desktop boxes
[05:42] <byteframe> nooper, bought me one, with keyboard
[05:43] <slackytude> anybody got a wave account?
[05:43] <Camarade_Tux> nooper: except it's a P4 :D
[05:43] <byteframe> netburst sucked, but It should make a good light server.\
[05:43] <OclkdMan> pprkut: it works, and creates the package!!
[05:44] <OclkdMan> thx a lot!
[05:44] <nooper> byteframe: is that the A series or M series?
[05:45] <byteframe> nooper, M51 I believe.
[05:46] <pprkut> OclkdMan: no problem
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[05:47] <spook> challenge, i can once again drunkely solve slackware problems. :)
[05:48] <byteframe> slackware dirty is easy.
[05:48] <byteframe> programming is harder.
[05:48] <byteframe> bong.hit();
[05:50] <Camarade_Tux> haha http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-gets-second-seat-in-european-parliament-091104/ :P
[05:51] <spook> i'm a member of the australian pirate party.
[05:51] <spook> i voted in our party election to elect people into positions
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[05:54] <byteframe> is thepiratebay.org gonna die?
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux> s/gonna die/dead/
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux> basically yes
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[05:56] <winter> it's alive
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[05:59] <byteframe> Camarade_Tux, cool site.
[06:00] <spook> byteframe: already dead.
[06:00] <spook> winter: tracker is down.
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[06:00] <byteframe> spook, I've noticed.
[06:03] <winter> spook: since when
[06:03] <spook> winter: since a long time
[06:04] <winter> i haven't notice :)
[06:04] <spook> probably just using dht
[06:04] <Quiznos> anyone know of a real compiler for javacsript/emca?
[06:04] <Quiznos> to produce real bins?
[06:04] <spook> Quiznos: javac
[06:04] <spook> the java compiler that comes with the jdk
[06:04] <Quiznos> javac compiles js?
[06:05] <WildWizard> It's amazing what you find when you clean out your old web space :- http://spamhalloffame.abnormalpenguin.com/
[06:05] <Quiznos> they arent the same language
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[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> Quiznos: there's no I know of
[06:05] <spook> Quiznos: oh, javascript.
[06:05] <Quiznos> they arent related at all
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> not even sure you actually an
[06:05] <Quiznos> yea, js
[06:05] <Quiznos> Camarade_Tux k
[06:05] <spook> Quiznos: i totally just didnt read waht you were saying and gave horrible advice
[06:05] <Quiznos> kk
[06:05] <Quiznos> it's early/late
[06:05] <spook> how do you like a taste of your own medicine?
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> what you can find is an intepreter with the javascript being embedded
[06:05] <Quiznos> Camarade_Tux what does it output?
[06:06] <spook> Quiznos: do you even understand what an interpreter is?
[06:06] <Camarade_Tux> spook: 11:47         spook : challenge, i can once again drunkely solve slackware problems. :)
[06:06] <Camarade_Tux>  :D
[06:06] <Quiznos> spook quite well
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[06:06] <Quiznos> hi cat
[06:07] <spook> Quiznos: lol.
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[06:07] <Quiznos> Camarade_Tux is that like `drunken shaolin priest'?
[06:07] <Camarade_Tux> Quiznos: what do you mean? it's just the binary with the script inside, it's equivalent to 'your_js_engine file.hs'
[06:08] <Quiznos> name or url?
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[06:08] <Camarade_Tux> Quiznos: dunno, I'm still looking for pics of spook drunk :P
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[06:08] <Quiznos> Camarade_Tux heh
[06:08] <spook> Camarade_Tux: got facebook?
[06:08] <Quiznos> drunkin shaolin spook!!
[06:08] <Quiznos> lol
[06:08] <Camarade_Tux> Quiznos: but why do you want to compile? there's webkit's jsc which is a stand-alone executable if you want
[06:08] <Quiznos> okty
[06:08] <Camarade_Tux> spook: no, I saw a pic of you on it though :P
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[06:09] <spook> Camarade_Tux: heh
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[06:09] <Quiznos> Camarade_Tux i want to compile to bin bc i think js is a better language for scripting. the limit being that it cant write
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[06:10] <Quiznos> but maybe >stdout would be enough
[06:10] <Camarade_Tux> Quiznos: try lua ;-)
[06:10] <Quiznos> yea, i'm pondering that too
[06:10] <Camarade_Tux> much faster and it's meant for that
[06:11] <Quiznos> spook back in the day learning about computers, i grokked languages, compilers, interpreters and design early on.
[06:11] <Quiznos> Camarade_Tux ok
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[06:11] <Camarade_Tux> I've never really written lua but it looks cleaner than javascript
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[06:11] <Quiznos> Per Brinch Hansen is one of my fave authors; Prof P. D. Terry, S. A., is also
[06:11] <spook> Quiznos: well maybe you are due for a refresher course.
[06:11] <Quiznos> perhaps
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[06:12] <Quiznos> i even wrote email to Terry once. nice guy.
[06:12] <spook> an interpreter that produces binary excutable code is not an interpreter
[06:12] <Quiznos> complimented him on his little book that helped me alot
[06:12] <Quiznos> spook i know. you just misread :)
[06:12] <spook> Quiznos: i dont like you, so i really dont care.
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[06:13] <Quiznos> an interpreter can be turned into a compiler
[06:13] <spook> i'm just going to continue my vaguely disguised insults
[06:13] <Quiznos> spook it's too early/late for hate :)
[06:13] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, he didn't ask for an interpreter but a compile :D
[06:13] <Quiznos> ok
[06:13] Action: Quiznos points
[06:13] <Quiznos> see? :)
[06:14] <spook> Quiznos: didnt you get klined?
[06:14] <Quiznos> yes
[06:14] <spook> why?
[06:14] <Quiznos> some stuffers are insane with powah and cant handle it
[06:14] <Quiznos> that, and i remind them of the evil they have done.
[06:15] <Quiznos> and they dont wnt to repent (change their mind)
[06:15] <Quiznos> lilo was a restraining force before he left the building.
[06:16] <spook> uh, okay.
[06:16] <spook> that totally explains it
[06:16] <Quiznos> not it dont but it's a start.
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[06:18] <Zordrak> Quiznos: sounds to me like a bizarre interpretation for "I got g-lined for being a douchebag to a freenode oper"
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[06:19] <Quiznos> Zordrak righteous anger was invoked against certain stuffers for unwarranted devoicing and banning
[06:19] <Zordrak> lawl
[06:20] <Zordrak> yeah.. cos freenode staff need a judicial warrant to silence someone whos being a douchebag
[06:20] <Quiznos> i spoke up politely and objected, and have been both devoiced and banned.  they cant justify either against me.  there's no proof in the record.
[06:20] <Quiznos> i wasnt a douchebag
[06:20] <Quiznos> the stuffers are out of control.
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[06:21] <spook> oh yes, totally
[06:21] <spook> Dominian: you're out of control!!!!!!!!!!
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[06:23] <Quiznos> not Dom
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[06:23] <Quiznos> but i've bnever seen him act in ##Linux
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[06:23] <spook> oh yeah the people in ##linux are out of control.
[06:24] <spook> i totally agree with you
[06:24] <Quiznos> no, we just want self-rule
[06:24] <Quiznos> that's the original reason for opening #linux-ops, before the stuffers revolt against us
[06:24] <Zordrak> Quiznos: communism eh? Yeah, that's worked well before...
[06:24] <spook> yeah those damn monarchies imposing their rule
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[06:24] <Quiznos> they refuse to let WildPikachu promote regulars to op
[06:25] <jg71> do those people know about this yet? if not, feel free to share the jewel.... http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/164894
[06:25] <spook> yeah those damn staffers
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[06:27] <Quiznos> afaict, no apparent ##linux regular now in the op list has every acted in channel to devoice or ban anyone; it's always a stuffer who acts.
[06:27] <Zordrak> why in hell does windows have to make shortcuts so ridiculously verbose.. and im not just talking about "Shortcut to" and other shit like "Copy of".. but ive just mapped my cluster.. and windows defaults it to: "files on 'files (files)'"
[06:27] <Quiznos> heh
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[06:28] <Quiznos> windows isnt for real users.  it's for Users.
[06:28] <Quiznos> lol
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[06:29] <Quiznos> does winders have a "user" mode?
[06:29] <spook> Zordrak: Shortcut to C:/some/directory/that/is/very/deep/in/the/tree/verylongexecutablename.exe
[06:29] <Quiznos> insted of a User mode?
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[06:29] <Quiznos> heh
[06:29] <Quiznos> i have longer paths here
[06:29] <Quiznos> i'd like to see a 1k length path
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[06:29] <slackytude> jg71: theo is unusual polite
[06:29] <spook> theres a limit.
[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> spook: not too much, keep the path length < 255 chars ;-)
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[06:30] <spook> Camarade_Tux: yeah
[06:30] <jg71> and as expected, someone registered masturbatingmonkey.com the after linus' message ...
[06:30] <Quiznos> lol
[06:30] <jg71> *day after
[06:31] <Quiznos> sure
[06:31] <Zordrak> registered 16/july/2008
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[06:38] <jonsmith1982> so is OpenBSD any good? for a desktop user?
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[06:38] <ananke> jonsmith1982: ask in #openbsd
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[06:43] <fredoslack> jonsmith1982,  hello, i prefer Freebsd
[06:43] <fredoslack> for desktop
[06:43] <fredoslack> but Slack is very nice too :)
[06:43] <fredoslack> KDE 4.3.2 <3
[06:44] <fredoslack> i'm waiting for 4.3.3
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[06:49] <jonsmith1982> wish I has the time and patience to run -current.
[06:49] <spook> its real easy
[06:49] <fredoslack> yes
[06:49] <fredoslack> slackpkg upgrade
[06:49] <fredoslack> <3
[06:50] <spook> fredoslack: you kinda need to read the changelog before that.
[06:50] <fredoslack> (or upgrade-all, i don't remember)
[06:50] <Zordrak> uh.. slackpkg update;slackpkg upgrade-all;slackpkg install-new
[06:50] <spook> and understand WHY stuff is being updated.
[06:50] <fredoslack> spook,  yes, i always read the changelog,
[06:50] <fredoslack> before an upgrade
[06:51] <fredoslack> i think that it's a good system
[06:51] <fredoslack> without dependences
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[06:51] <fredoslack> without "gestion" of *
[06:52] <fredoslack> administration of dependence * sorry
[06:52] <jonsmith1982> Zordrak, would slackpkg install-new get rid of my sbo packages?
[06:52] <spook> no.
[06:53] <spook> slackpkg clean-system would
[06:53] <Zordrak> jonsmith1982: i would answer that question.. but it demosntrates that you really need to run through the manpage
[06:53] <Zordrak> so.. as a favour to you.. im not gonna tell you :)
[06:53] <spook> just type "slackpkg" by itself.
[06:53] <spook> Zordrak: too late already ruined your lesson
[06:53] <Zordrak> fmeh
[06:55] <spook> Zordrak: soz, kinda drunk.
[06:55] <Zordrak> :-|   <-- the face of someone who is not experiencing surprise
[06:56] <Camarade_Tux>  :o  <-- the face of someone who just learned spook was *not* drunk *at* *all*
[06:56] <Quiznos> :) <-- the face of fo0d
[06:56] <Quiznos> lol
[06:56] <fredoslack> i don't like Swaret
[06:57] <Quiznos> it's never worked for me
[06:57] <spook> fredoslack: good, its horrible
[06:57] <spook> and will murder several kittens everytime you use it
[06:57] <Zordrak> fredoslack: Yeah.. and im not too keen on being stabbed
[06:57] <fredoslack> yes
[06:57] <spook> and if it doesnt murder any kittens, please tell me
[06:57] <Zordrak> your point?
[06:57] <spook> and i'll MURDER SOME KITTENS ANYWAY
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[07:08] <fredoslack> << bye,
[07:08] <fredoslack> à tonight
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[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: see you
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[07:10] <Camarade_Tux> anyone here using different passwords for (nearly) each login system?
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[07:11] <slackytude> yes
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[07:11] <jonsmith1982> see perl 5.10.1 was added 04/10 and irssi 0.84.14 was added 17/10 compiled against perl 5.10.1, did that not break irssi for any period of time?
[07:12] <Zordrak> yes it did
[07:12] <slackytude> some of my stuff is grouped together. for example, all things for university is using the same password or at least a slight varaition of it
[07:12] <slackytude> jonsmith1982: yeah, I had a broken irssi
[07:12] <jonsmith1982> Zordrak, and you were ok with that? did it work at all?
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[07:13] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I was thinking adding the output of hash function applied to the website name: like gmail -> 23, kongregate -> 46, pron.com -> 13
[07:13] <Camarade_Tux> s/adding/appending/
[07:13] <slackytude> to your password?
[07:14] <slackytude> like, a base password with different suffixes, depending on the hash of the site
[07:14] <Camarade_Tux> yup
[07:14] <slackytude> hrm
[07:14] <slackytude> sounds good as long as the hash function is unknown
[07:15] <Camarade_Tux> it would resist a human I think but it's hardening
[07:15] <Camarade_Tux> well, PASSWORD23 for gmail may look like anything else too
[07:16] <slackytude> sure, as long as the hash function is unknown.
[07:16] <Zordrak> jonsmith1982: i wouldnt know.. i dont run -curent in production :)
[07:16] <slackytude> why not use something like kwallet tho?
[07:17] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: he ;p
[07:17] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: if you get one password, it should be hard enough provided you add some salt
[07:18] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: 1- not on kde, 2- not always on linux, 3- not always on my computer
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[07:18] <Camarade_Tux> http://www.whatsmypass.com/how-to-hide-passwords ^^
[07:18] <lotec> Camarade_Tux, but a laptop? bring it with you?
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[07:19] <Camarade_Tux> lotec: have one but not always, it's heavy enough for me not to carry it everywhere
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[07:19] <lotec> Camarade_Tux, buy a netbook?
[07:20] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: leave a encrypted file with your password on a host you can access via ssh
[07:21] <lotec> get a cheap usb stick and carry your passwords with you
[07:21] <jonsmith1982> slackytude,  I assume irssi still worked but it was "broken" in terms of it was compiled to use perl 5.10 libraries, although 5.10.1 would most likely be backwardly compatible?
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[07:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: if the website is bad or gets hacked or the computer is bad, I'm still owned for everything
[07:22] <Camarade_Tux> lotec: nope, buying a desktop today :D
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[07:23] <slackytude> jonsmith1982: it didnt work
[07:23] <lotec> ewww a desktop, that is so a year ago
[07:23] <lotec> :D
[07:23] <jonsmith1982> ouch.
[07:24] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: the file should still be encrypted. if the host is compromised, none should be able to vie it
[07:24] <Camarade_Tux> lotec: powerz
[07:24] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I was thinking about the website I log in on
[07:25] <lotec> what kind of desktop you buying? you going to buid it yourself?
[07:25] <Camarade_Tux> yeah
[07:25] <Camarade_Tux> Phenom II X4 955 and 4GB DDR2, I'll add more once it gets less expensive (in two months, it jumped +40%)
[07:26] <Camarade_Tux> (in price that is)
[07:26] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: well, thats why you have a different password for everything
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[07:27] <spook> phenom 2s are pretty damn good
[07:28] <lotec> i would like to build a desktop, i just have no use for one.
[07:28] <Camarade_Tux> and pretty inexpensive :)
[07:29] <jonsmith1982> I dont suppose there are any apps / libs that need to be compiled against each other? That would be a pain I imagine.
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> spook: 139 euros for this one
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> jonsmith1982: what you mean?
[07:29] <pprkut> circular deps
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux>  -> X ? :D
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux> and some gnome stuff I think
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux> and compilers (gcc), and compilers which can't be bootstrapped: haskell, sml, several others
[07:30] <pprkut> kde has it as well
[07:32] <jonsmith1982> Yes, I've asked how the first compiler was compiled before :)
[07:32] <jonsmith1982> seems it was written in a lower level language.
[07:32] <Camarade_Tux> you start with assembly and a subset and you build progressively
[07:32] <Camarade_Tux> and you write your assembler by hand ;-)
[07:33] <Camarade_Tux> bbs :)
[07:33] <winter> how to get gmail ssl certs?
[07:34] <lotec> getting an error when compiling hostapd.
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[07:34] <lotec> driver_madwifi.c:24:28: warning: include/compat.h: No such file or directory
[07:34] <lotec> compat.h is there
[07:35] <slackytude> writing compilers in asm doesnt sound fun at all
[07:35] <slackytude> actually, writing compilers doesnt sound fun
[07:35] <Camarade_Tux> compat.h or include/compat.h and is it inside hostapd's source?
[07:35] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: can be with the right tools (ocaml for instance :P )
[07:36] <lotec> include/linux/compat.h
[07:36] <mitchx> hey where do you download packages from? i used to get them from http://packages.slackware.it/ but now its offline
[07:36] <Zordrak> mitchx: go to slackware.com and find the mirrors list
[07:37] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: bah
[07:37] <Zordrak> osuosl is reliable and often the most used
[07:37] <spook> mitchx: /etc/slackpkg/mirrors :P
[07:37] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: I think its a required course for Master degree in CS
[07:37] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: Im not looking forward to it
[07:37] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: hehe :P
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[07:43] <Zordrak> god damn floppies
[07:43] <Zordrak> why cant asus just release a bios update ISO
[07:44] <spook> asus do terribad bios
[07:45] <Zordrak> youre telling me(!)
[07:45] <slackytude> asus used to be good
[07:45] <Zordrak> asus started to fail as soon as they integrated nForce
[07:45] <Zordrak> thats hen it all went to shit
[07:46] <spook> pretty much yeah
[07:46] <spook> but even before that, they dont have people with brains writting their bios code
[07:46] <spook> or any sort of QA on it
[07:46] <Zordrak> hell no.. they barely even have translators let alone coders
[07:47] <Quiznos> replacing findutils-xargs from 12.2/findutils
[07:47] <Quiznos> with latest
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[07:47] <Quiznos> xargs has bugs
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[07:48] <Quiznos> findutils 4.4.2 installed
[07:48] <Zordrak> @mozilla: NOO!! They be stealin mah toolbar! Dont take my Tools menu from me!
[07:48] <Quiznos> from source.
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[07:49] <Quiznos> maybe kernel make will work now
[07:49] <Quiznos> Zordrak right click, man, right click!
[07:49] <spook> Quiznos: yeah i dont see any problems in hodgepodge installing packages from different versions of slackware.
[07:49] <spook> its not like your slackware isnt broken enough already
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[07:50] <Quiznos> spook i dint do that tho
[07:51] <spook> sure sure.
[07:51] <Quiznos> my alt pkgmgr got findutils from gnu directly
[07:51] <Quiznos> but xargs is definately broken
[07:51] <Quiznos> on the version I had
[07:52] <Quiznos> 12.2's working here
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[07:55] <zoran119_> /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd and /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql are NOT executable on my machine but sometimes i start them manualy to do some web dev... so what heppens when i shut down the machine without explicitly stopping these services... do they get killed nicely or brutaly?
[07:56] <Zordrak> brutally
[07:56] <Zordrak> theyre given a SIGTERM
[07:56] <Zordrak> then a SIGKILL
[07:56] <lotec> ok make just keeps erroring out.  http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/sl5qt210.html
[07:56] <lotec> what am i missing
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[07:57] <zoran119_> Zordrak: that's not nice... maybe i add someting into rc.local_shutdown to check if they are rumming and shut them down nicely... good idea?
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[07:58] <Quiznos> the pkg fthat has compat.h
[07:58] <Quiznos> lotec
[07:58] <lotec> compat.h is in the kernel
[07:58] <Quiznos> no, it's a header
[07:58] <Zordrak> no.. just edit rc.0 or 6 or mhatever is the non symlink to take out the -x test for the rc scripts youre on aboot
[07:58] <Quiznos> it's in kern tree?
[07:59] <lotec> include/net/compat.h
[07:59] <Quiznos> ok...
[07:59] <Quiznos> umm
[07:59] <Quiznos> you need an -I in makefile
[07:59] <Quiznos> or
[07:59] <lotec>  here/include/asm-x86_64/compat.h
[07:59] <lotec> quiznos there is
[07:59] <Quiznos> linux/include/someth -> /usr/iclude
[07:59] <Quiznos> usr/include/asm -> linux/include/asm-*
[07:59] <lotec> # Driver interface for madwifi driver
[07:59] <lotec> CONFIG_DRIVER_MADWIFI=y
[07:59] <lotec> #CFLAGS += -I../head # change to reflect local setup; directory for madwifi src
[08:00] <Quiznos> undo the #
[08:00] <Quiznos> test that
[08:00] <lotec> still errors
[08:00] <lotec> i have tried it both ways
[08:00] <Quiznos> ok do my previuos then
[08:00] <Quiznos> ln -s the dir to usr/inc
[08:00] <Quiznos> usr/inc/asm
[08:00] <Quiznos> then #include <asm/...>
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[08:01] <zoran119_> Zordrak: it seems that mysql gets shutdown a bit more nicely than httpd... it tests for -r
[08:02] <Zordrak> orite
[08:02] <lotec> Quiznos.  ln -s not working
[08:02] <lotec> ln -s /user/include/asm -> linux/include/asm-*
[08:02] <lotec> i might need a little more help on doing this.
[08:05] <thrice`>  try "/usr"
[08:05] <lotec> ln -s /usr/include/asm -> linux/include/asm-*
[08:05] <lotec> -bash: linux/include/asm-*: No such file or directory
[08:06] <thrice`> -> is not correct.  please read "man ln"
[08:06] <thrice`> neither is -*
[08:06] <Quiznos> lotec yea, full paths to ln
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[08:07] <Quiznos> and the * expands to linux/include/asm-x86_64
[08:07] <paissad-hp> hi all
[08:07] <paissad-hp> the file permissions don't change when di do "chmod -x *" for files of my external Hdd, how can i fix that ? ..... it's a ntfs filesystem
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[08:07] <thrice`> does ntfs understand what -x is?
[08:07] <Quiznos> lotec ln -s /usr/include/asm-x86_64 /usr/src/linux-version/include/asm-x86_64
[08:07] <Zordrak> thrice`: afaik yus
[08:08] <Quiznos> lotec STOP
[08:08] <Quiznos> lotec i reversed the paths; switch them.
[08:08] <Quiznos> the lnux path is first
[08:08] <thrice`> Zordrak, ok; I had no idea, actually :)
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[08:09] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: nope
[08:09] <slackytude> thrice`: nope
[08:09] <Camarade_Tux> not in the chmod sense
[08:09] <thrice`> I suspected so :)
[08:09] <thrice`> paissad-hp, ^^
[08:09] <Camarade_Tux> any way to find what is using my networkc card?
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[08:10] <paissad-hp> thrice`, no ... i see now
[08:10] <paissad-hp> :)
[08:10] <lotec> Quiznos: still errors
[08:10] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: netstat
[08:10] <paissad-hp> chmod and chown command aren't for ntfs or vfat, right ?
[08:10] <paissad-hp> thrice`,
[08:10] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: he, right ;p
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[08:13] <haldir> g'morning slacksters
[08:13] <spook> slackers is the proper term
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[08:13] <haldir> i just like to hear you complain
[08:14] <spook> grrr
[08:14] <spook> :P
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[08:17] <Quiznos> lotec ok let's back up.  is there a asm* dir under include/?
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[08:17] <metrofox> hi there! :)
[08:17] <Quiznos> hi fox
[08:18] <Zordrak> ffs inst there ONE floppy disk that still works?!
[08:18] <Quiznos> when they dont move, they die
[08:19] Action: Zordrak stickn Quiznos to the floor with superglue
[08:19] <Quiznos> oops
[08:19] Action: Quiznos oozes acetylene
[08:19] <metrofox> hey Quiznos, what's up?
[08:20] <Quiznos> not much; fending off decent insults :)
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[08:20] <Camarade_Tux> I was being attacked !
[08:20] <Quiznos> blablabla tell is to someone whos reading. :)
[08:20] <Quiznos> is/it
[08:20] <Camarade_Tux> I was being attacked by a chinese!
[08:20] <Quiznos> chinese what?
[08:21] <Camarade_Tux> dunno
[08:21] <metrofox> hey Camarade_Tux!
[08:21] <Quiznos> bits?
[08:21] Action: spook sets Quiznos on fire
[08:21] <Camarade_Tux> basically, '/etc/rd.rc/rc.sshd stop' stopped the traffic...
[08:21] <Quiznos> mmm toasty
[08:21] <Quiznos> duh
[08:21] <Camarade_Tux> tcp        0      0 192.168.1.12:ssh        59.56.174.253:50751     TIME_WAIT
[08:21] <Camarade_Tux> from netstat
[08:21] <Quiznos> heh
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[08:22] <spook> Quiznos: thats what happens when you ooze acetone
[08:22] <Quiznos> ah yea, acetone
[08:22] <Camarade_Tux> bah, I had a port-forward rule in my router
[08:22] <Quiznos> lol
[08:22] <Quiznos> KIL IT KILL IT NOW
[08:22] <Camarade_Tux> saloperie !
[08:22] <jg71> orbital nuking...
[08:22] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, rule removed
[08:22] <Quiznos> k
[08:22] <metrofox> Camarade_Tux: is it still there?
[08:22] <Quiznos> save-iptable* to file
[08:22] <Camarade_Tux> hi metrofox ;-)
[08:22] <slackytude> y0 metrofox
[08:23] <metrofox> y0 slackytude
[08:23] <slackytude> ^-^
[08:23] <lotec> Quiznos: i got it.
[08:23] <Quiznos> ok; what's next?
[08:23] <lotec> waiting for a cable :D
[08:23] <Quiznos> on the src
[08:23] <Quiznos> gotta add an #include
[08:24] <lotec> cant start it in ap mode yet.  but i am a few steps coser
[08:24] <Quiznos> not a -I
[08:24] <Zordrak> FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[08:24] <Zordrak> bios update finally succeeded....  in bricking the box
[08:24] <lotec> i modified the .config  just put it in the path the correct way.
[08:24] <Quiznos> k
[08:24] <spook> Zordrak: i told you...
[08:25] <Zordrak> .. what?
[08:25] <spook> that it would brick and that asus are terribad
[08:25] <Quiznos> tv weather maps are really annoying
[08:26] <Zordrak> i agreed they blow
[08:26] <Zordrak> but they dont always brick :)
[08:26] <Quiznos> the image isnt properly oriented; the tilt is missing.
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[08:28] <spook> Zordrak: i have yet to have that process not brick
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[08:33] <Zordrak> now i have to find sowething to short the bios with..
[08:37] <lotec> Zordrak: paper clip
[08:38] <Zordrak> doesnt want to play
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[08:41] <Zordrak> rip (rest in pain)
[08:41] <Quiznos> lotec how long till we continue?
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[08:45] <archiebenedict> is there a way to change the video container format of a video without re-encoding the data?
[08:46] <Camarade_Tux> sure
[08:46] <archiebenedict> i cant find anything about it. i can only find how to change codecs by re-encoding
[08:49] <archiebenedict> my google-fu has weakened, can someone help me find the terms im looking for?
[08:49] <Camarade_Tux> from which container to which?
[08:50] <archiebenedict> flv to anything
[08:51] <Quiznos> use those words exactly
[08:51] <Quiznos> add linux
[08:51] <Quiznos> or, try ffmpeg
[08:52] <archiebenedict> thats what i tried. i only get results for re-encoding
[08:52] <Quiznos> visit freshmeat and srcforge
[08:53] <Camarade_Tux> mplayer can do it if to tell it to reencode to "copy" or something like that
[08:53] <Camarade_Tux> but ffmpeg may be better
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[08:56] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude is dolphinophilia
[08:56] <Camarade_Tux> c
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[08:57] <ovnicraft> hi folks, i want to know if unixodbc package is included in S64?
[09:01] <lotec> Quiznos: when fedex delivers my wireless cable. but i think i might be ok now
[09:01] <Quiznos> ok
[09:03] <slackytude> ovnicraft: doubt it
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[09:30] <Sl0m0> hey guys, anyone from South Africa here ?
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[10:01] <RobDob> I am ... from CPT
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[10:02] Action: Zordrak gets out his SA joke book
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[10:02] <Zordrak> cor blimey its heavy
[10:02] <RobDob> must be all 'van der merwe' jokes
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[10:03] <Zordrak> nah.. mostly guns/flamethrowers/accents/apartheid
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[10:04] <RobDob> Zordrak: you forgot the ak47's and the lions
[10:05] <slackytude> yet another mitm attack on ssl/tls
[10:05] <Zordrak> ak47 is ceverd by guns.. lions arent too full of funny
[10:05] <slackytude> http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/11/05/144252/Man-In-the-Middle-Vulnerability-For-SSL-and-TLS
[10:06] <paissad-hp> i'm trying to write a udev.rule to make my extenal hdd have the same mountpoint ... here is my udev rule ->
[10:06] <paissad-hp> paissad@paissad-hp:/dev$ pastebinit -i /etc/udev/rules.d/hdd_media.rules
[10:06] <slackytude> you can use fstab for that
[10:06] <slackytude> HAL will respect fstab entries
[10:06] <RobDob> They are when british journalists venture too close ( no offense against the british ... I lived there for many years )
[10:06] <paissad-hp> http://pastebin.com/f68940a26
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[10:07] <g4tt0> hello*
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[10:07] <Nick_Patterson> I was wondering... Can someone find out my SSID even if the router is not broadcasting it?
[10:07] <Zordrak> yah.. but that would be an idiot journalist joke.. not so much a SA joke
[10:07] <paissad-hp> i don't have the /dev/hdd_media i should have
[10:07] <Sl0m0> hey guys, anyone from South Africa here ?
[10:07] <Zordrak> Nick_Patterson: its possible but harder
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[10:07] <Zordrak> Sl0m0: slow much+?
[10:08] <Sl0m0> lol
[10:08] <Sl0m0> Verrry slo
[10:08] <slackytude> paissad-hp: tried using fstab for that?
[10:08] <Nick_Patterson> Zordrak: Okay TY
[10:08] <paissad-hp> slackytude, no ... i would use uuid, what i don't want
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[10:08] <Sl0m0> I need advice on what to charge for a bare-metal installation of a LAMP server - haven't been in consulting for a while and have lost touch with pricing
[10:09] <Sl0m0> R5000, R3000 ?
[10:09] <Sl0m0> for a company in Gauteng
[10:09] <Nick_Patterson> Zordrak: Harder in what respect? Can a kid download some program that scans for hidden SSID, or would it be much more involved than that?
[10:11] <Zordrak> Nick_Patterson: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=find+hidden+ssid
[10:11] <Sl0m0> Zordrak: there are a number of programs that can get your SSID - wireshark for one
[10:11] <RobDob> S10m0: I do per service: base R450/dns cache R250/lamp R1250/customisation fee thereafter
[10:11] <Nick_Patterson> Zordrak: :)
[10:11] <Sl0m0> sounds reasonable
[10:12] <Sl0m0> I've seen average quotes online for about R2500
[10:12] <Sl0m0> but that includes some custom work
[10:12] <RobDob> S10m0: about right ... but it all depends on what the guys need after that ...
[10:13] <Sl0m0> yeah - I agree - they want me to hang around for a couple of months of support - am still negotiating rate
[10:14] <Sl0m0> Thanks for the advice RobDob
[10:15] <RobDob> Sl0m0: np, R350/hr minimum for support ...
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[10:19] <Sl0m0> RobDob: am getting R500p/h here in GP
[10:19] <Sl0m0> ...but must say - have 10years+ experience on Linux
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[10:20] <EasyTUX> bash-3.1$ echo $TERM
[10:20] <EasyTUX> xterm
[10:20] <EasyTUX> bash-3.1$ killall X
[10:20] Channel flood from EasyTUX -- kicking
[10:20] <EasyTUX> X: no process killed
[10:20] <EasyTUX> bash-3.1$ What's the TIP ? eheh
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[10:21] <EasyTUX> Sorry!
[10:21] <EasyTUX> :P
[10:22] <mancha> easytux, what would you like to do?
[10:22] <EasyTUX> Remember this old thing : Xserver way...
[10:22] <EasyTUX> eheh.
[10:22] <mancha> please explain what you're trying to do, i don't understand anything you've said
[10:23] <EasyTUX> It's done ! Nevermid. I used "X --query" thing...
[10:24] <EasyTUX> Was the answer...
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[10:24] <mancha> we still don't know the question! heh
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[10:27] <v6CommO> anyone able to point me in the direction of some decent literature on knotify?
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[10:27] <v6CommO> I use XFCE, but choose konsole as terminal
[10:28] <v6CommO> and every time I close a terminal window, knotify launches
[10:28] <v6CommO> doesn't do anything
[10:28] <v6CommO> that I can see
[10:28] <v6CommO> just launches and disappears
[10:29] <mancha> seems konsole is using it to notify of the close
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[10:38] <fonseg> how to install Roden icon package for slackware? couldnt find it on slackbuilds.
[10:38] <straterra> how to form sentence
[10:39] <v6CommO> ha
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[10:44] <lotec_> what is the cmd on xchat to kick your self?
[10:44] <MoZes>  /kick lotec_   ?
[10:44] <MoZes> perhaps
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[10:45] <lotec_> i need to get my old name out of here, and take it back over.
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[10:45] <MoZes> oh well you can't do that
[10:45] <MoZes> you have to wait for the old one to drop off irc.
[10:45] <MoZes> kicking it off the channel doesn't take that user off irc, just  off this channel
[10:46] <straterra> ghost it
[10:46] <lotec_> no there is a way to send a msg to take that name back over.
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[10:47] <Zordrak> lotec_: /msg nickserv ghost <nick>
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[10:49] <Slackyboy> hello everyone. i have been folowing slack for many years now. but just recently decided to use it as a server. that s why i am here. i have a problem
[10:50] <Slackyboy> and hoped older and wiser slackers could help. my problem is that i am using slack 11 to install drupal 6.14
[10:51] <Slackyboy> created the database drupal needs, can connect using mysql command line in a terminal. everything works
[10:52] <mancha> "<Slackboy> hello...i have a problem...everything works"
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[10:52] <Azeotrope> how can i see the speed of my dual core cpu?
[10:52] <Slackyboy> then necessary steps to install drupal all followed. and drupal won t go farther then set up database. my pass is long, some 15 caracs or so. but besides that, i am puzzled. so was asking if anyone has drupal 6.14 on slack 11 that could help. thank you very much in advance
[10:52] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: read the packaging
[10:52] <mancha> cpuinfo will show bogomips  :>
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[10:53] <mancha> cat /proc/cpuinfo or summit
[10:53] <Slackyboy> lol mancha
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[10:58] <mancha> are you following this http://drupal.org/getting-started/install ?
[11:00] <Slackyboy> i am following the INSTALL.txt present on the tar.gz package
[11:01] <Slackyboy> and researched other sources of info in the internet
[11:02] <Slackyboy> no good so far. just out of curiosity: do we need any kind of special care with firewall?
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[11:03] <Slackyboy> i mean, mysql, php or apache in the server we re building the site and serving pages?
[11:03] <Slackyboy> sigh ... puzzled
[11:04] <Slackyboy> apache is correct. php above necessary as mysql. it should (!) work
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[11:29] <rogersma1> Selecting text in *nix automatically copies to clipboard...Is this behaviour subject to modification? I would like to set a min time frame before committing to buffer....
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[11:34] <rk4n3> rogersma1: you may find this useful - it explains the entire "strategy" behind X selection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection
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[11:34] <rk4n3> rogersma1: ... in short, delaying population would probably not fit into the strategy, but access to cut buffers and other such mechanisms does
[11:35] <Nick_Patterson> rogersma1: Yes, haven't you heard of Behavior Modification?
[11:36] <rogersma1> rk4n3: thanks for the link **reading
[11:36] <rogersma1> Nick_Patterson: if cant say anything nice....
[11:37] <Nick_Patterson> rogersma1: :)
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[11:42] <dios_mio> hello slack brothers
[11:44] <tmkd> howgh
[11:44] <mancha> merhaba
[11:44] <tmkd> :)
[11:44] <dios_mio> i dont use slack but ok, my heart goes out with you
[11:44] <dios_mio> mancha, merhaba!
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[11:45] <dios_mio> mancha, you turkish?
[11:45] <rogersma1> hehe...anyone watch V? nobody in my office saw it :-p
[11:46] <rk4n3> wanted to see it, but missed it
[11:47] <rogersma1> was with up until they revelead the're all a bunch of gorns!
[11:47] <rk4n3> heh
[11:47] <Slackyboy> just thinking about one thing ... i pointed apache to read the site from /home/www/htdocs. but mysql still stores its databases in in var directory. is there any conflict in here? must i change the default behaviour of mysql after having changed apache s?
[11:47] <alisonken1hom2> watched the original series beginning last decade. decided to skip the remake
[11:48] <rk4n3> Slackyboy:  no, mysql communicates over a socket
[11:48] <alisonken1hom2> Slackyboy: apache setup and mysql setup are two different things
[11:48] <Slackyboy> okay, thanks. makes sense
[11:48] <rk4n3> Slackyboy:  ... there's no tie from clients to where the server's directories/files are
[11:48] <alisonken1hom2> as rk4n3 notes, apache talks to mysql through a socket
[11:49] <Slackyboy> mysql tyrough a socket? port? must i liberate it in a firewall script?
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[11:49] <alisonken1hom2> as long as they're both on the same machine using localhost, it's a socket, not a network port that's opened
[11:49] <rk4n3> Slackyboy:  if your apache and mysql are on the same server, they'll use an internal domain socket, which firewall won't impede
[11:49] <Slackyboy> sheesh, so many answers. thanks slackers
[11:49] <rk4n3> :)
[11:49] <alisonken1hom2> np
[11:49] Action: rk4n3 high-fives alisonken1hom2 
[11:50] Action: alisonken1hom2 returns with a low5
[11:50] <Slackyboy> okay. so my firewall isn t the problem then
[11:50] Nick change: alisonken1hom2 -> alisonken1home
[11:50] Nick change: rogersma1 -> rogersman
[11:50] <alisonken1home> what's the error?
[11:51] <rk4n3> Slackyboy:  I wouldn't think so - your web application running under apache could reach your mysql before making the apache docroot change ?
[11:51] <alisonken1home> if you're using php, then you may want to read up on php connection pools
[11:51] <alisonken1home> to mysql
[11:51] <Quiznos> alisonken1home !!!
[11:51] <alisonken1home> Quiznos: ok - did I miss something?
[11:52] <Slackyboy> my error is that in drupal s installation i can t go next after inserting datbase data to drupla
[11:52] <Quiznos> no; i've been klined; didnt you notice the silence? :)
[11:52] <alisonken1home> ah - welcome back
[11:52] <Quiznos> ty
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[11:52] <alisonken1home> I saw something about that, but we've been busy shifting servers around to make room for new toys at work
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[11:53] <lotec> hehehehe klined.  Quiznos is a bad boy
[11:53] <rk4n3> Slackyboy: ah, I don't know much about drupal, the problem could lie somewhere in drupal's stack
[11:53] <alisonken1home> our whole office wa klined about a month ago
[11:53] <Slackyboy> rk4n3, never tried it. when setting up apache, set up in the new /home/www/htdocs from the beggining
[11:54] <alisonken1home> took a little to figure out what/who was the problem child
[11:54] <rk4n3> Slackyboy:  have you validated the operation/accessibility of your mysql service ?
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[11:54] <Quiznos> alisonken1home why?
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[11:54] <Slackyboy> i ll try to search the web for those php mysql connection pools
[11:54] <Quiznos> lotec i was good; the stuffers are bad
[11:54] <alisonken1home> Quiznos: Dominian may remember, but I forgot
[11:54] <Quiznos> k
[11:54] <Quiznos> ken is bad
[11:55] <alisonken1home> wasn't me :)
[11:55] <Quiznos> yea yea, sure sure            (another exclusive macro by Quiznos)
[11:55] <Quiznos> lol
[11:55] <alisonken1home> somebody in our Aon office
[11:55] <rk4n3> Slackyboy:  I can help you in more detail later, after some meetings here at work ..
[11:55] <Slackyboy> sure deal rk4n3. thank you everybody
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[12:11] <dios_mio> http://failblog.org/2009/01/05/serious-text-fail/
[12:12] <hiptobecubic> has anyone run slackware off of ntfs ?
[12:12] <Nick_Patterson> No, I don't really see a good reason to :P
[12:13] <thrice`> linux can't run on ntfs, can it?
[12:13] <hiptobecubic> thrice`, why not?
[12:14] <thrice`> the kernel can't write to ntfs without tools
[12:14] <hiptobecubic> thrice`, isn't ntfs-3g a driver? just like the rets?
[12:14] <hiptobecubic> rest*
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[12:15] <thrice`> what about permissions?  vfat and ntfs don't understand linux permissions
[12:16] <hiptobecubic> hmm. that might be the issue then
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[12:20] <sahko> can someone visit http://gitorious.org/rekonq and tell me if the page looks fine?
[12:20] <Dominian> and here comes a netsplit
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[12:20] <BP{k}> sahko: looks fine.
[12:20] <jg71> if you call that fine ... then yes.
[12:21] <hiptobecubic> :D
[12:21] <sahko> damn. thanks BP{k}
[12:21] <sahko> BP{k}: firefox?
[12:21] <thrice`> looks fine here, too
[12:21] <BP{k}> sahko: yes
[12:22] <BP{k}> sahko: looks fine in opera too.
[12:22] <Dominian> loooks like shit in IE
[12:22] <Dominian> j/k
[12:22] <Dominian> :)
[12:22] <sahko> looks like shit here too
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[12:23] <sahko> http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8015/snapshot1.png
[12:23] <sahko> thats konqueror
[12:23] <thrice`> that's something with your graphics driver, I think, not FF / the webpage
[12:24] <hiptobecubic> sahko, lol what the hell is that
[12:24] <sahko> might messed up something. but it only happens there so far, so not much of a problem
[12:25] <sahko> hiptobecubic: you dont wanna see what under there :P
[12:25] <sahko> its like a red wave green wave red wave etc
[12:26] <sahko> and http://gitorious.org/rekonq?page=2 renders just fine. weird
[12:27] <sahko> anyway thanks for the reports
[12:28] <Slackyboy> changed everything in the database and then pointed apache to its natural home atvar directory. i have a no go here too
[12:29] <Slackyboy> does anyone knows if i can test a php script to access my mysql database just to be sure?
[12:29] <Slackyboy> thanks in advance
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[12:30] <Guest5493> when a ctrl-alt to other tty's, IE not tty7, i just get a black screen now
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[12:30] <Guest5493> it was working until i used nvidia-settings to changed xorg.conf
[12:31] <slackytude> y0 channel
[12:31] <Slackyboy> yo tude!
[12:31] <Slackyboy> ; )
[12:32] <Slackyboy> are we related somehow that i should know of?
[12:32] <slackytude> arent you the guy who kicks people?
[12:32] <Nick_Patterson> sahko: You should leave it like that. Makes me think I'm at the ocean. :P
[12:32] <hiptobecubic> no
[12:32] <Slackyboy> nose!
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[12:36] <slackytude> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/about-those-beatles-songs-its-weirder-than-you-thought.ars
[12:36] <slackytude> grreat stuff
[12:37] <jeev> who would buy beatles songs?
[12:37] <rk4n3> Michael Jackson bought them all
[12:37] <jeev> yea but mp3's. i mean come on
[12:37] <Scuzz> Slackyboy, what version of php you running ?
[12:38] <jeev> can't have that bad taste in music
[12:38] <rk4n3> jeev:  hey, The Beatles are awesome
[12:38] <Slackyboy> let me check scuzz ...
[12:38] <jeev> pfft
[12:38] <slackytude> they claim they own the copyright to the beatles songs
[12:38] <slackytude> their reasoning is quite funny
[12:39] <Slackyboy> pkgtool brings me version 449 slack 11
[12:40] <Scuzz>  have you created the database ?
[12:41] <Slackyboy> yes. database all working. checked trough terminal
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[12:42] <Scuzz> so creating the database is fine with your password ?
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[12:42] <Slackyboy> problem is the cms drupal can t go at it. or at least it doesn t report any error like pass error
[12:42] <Slackyboy> yes scuzz
[12:43] <Slackyboy> when i mistype the pass on drupal it promptly gives me an error
[12:43] <Slackyboy> so everyhthing is fine with the databasee
[12:46] <Scuzz> if you check  /sites/default/settings.php  is your login and password there ?
[12:46] <Scuzz> under db_url
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[12:47] <Slackyboy> i like the 11 version a lot. it runs my old machines glitchless. and since the server is a very old machine, i kept on 11. it s pentium 2 age celeron at 500 MHz with 256 MB memory. but if needed be i could try 12 or even 13 on it
[12:47] <Slackyboy> let me check scuzz ...
[12:47] <Scuzz> try jsut updateing php
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[12:49] <Scuzz> mine shows like this   $db_url = 'mysqli://root:my-db-password-here@localhost/drupal';
[12:50] <Slackyboy> HOORAY!
[12:50] <Slackyboy> SCUZZ HI5!
[12:50] <Scuzz> all good now i take it
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[12:51] <Slackyboy> the info wasn t there scuzz, so i entered it myself
[12:51] <Scuzz> sounds like your settings.php wasnt writable
[12:51] <Slackyboy> and it jumped to installation
[12:51] <Scuzz> cool your all set
[12:51] <Slackyboy> baby keep smiling, you know the sun is shining!
[12:51] <Scuzz> lol
[12:51] <Slackyboy> ; )
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[12:56] <Nick_Patterson> Slackyboy: Weird story.
[12:57] <Nick_Patterson> errr  slackytude
[12:57] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson, the ars link?
[12:58] <Nick_Patterson> Yes, the weirdos
[12:58] <slackytude> yeah, Im looking forward to the case. should be interesting
[12:58] <tmkd> how much ram takes your slack?
[12:59] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: ...ran the songs through a model and added some pics to the mp3 and it's theirs!
[12:59] <Nick_Patterson> Gives me an idea. Maybe I should do that with Elvis songs.
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[13:00] <slackytude> yeah, if they would win on that, copyright would be meaningless
[13:00] <fire|bird> Greetings everyone. :)
[13:00] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
[13:00] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird
[13:00] <slackytude> fire|bird, got google wave account ^-^
[13:01] <fire|bird> slackytude: sweet
[13:01] Action: slackytude nods
[13:01] <slackytude> accessing a wave with 450 people on it is slow :|
[13:01] <fire|bird> lol
[13:03] <Slackyboy> scuzz, do you have any idea why the drupal cms wasn t able to write that file correctly? i ask this because since that cms works so heavilly with databases it might surface again later on with other kind of access error. should i upgrade php? to recent slack versions?
[13:03] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar
[13:04] <Slackyboy> can it be written, can it be done?
[13:04] <Scuzz> slackboy, durring the install it warned you that the file wast writable
[13:04] <slackytude> fire|bird, can't invite you :(
[13:04] <Scuzz> i think you chose to continue without fixing it
[13:04] <Slackyboy> but i did the permissioning by the book ...
[13:04] <Scuzz> it only had to be writable for that one step
[13:04] <fire|bird> slackytude: lol, no worries. :)
[13:04] <Scuzz> so leave it as is now
[13:05] <Scuzz> you should be fine
[13:05] <Slackyboy> okay, makes sense
[13:05] <Slackyboy> thank you very much for your insight and patience scuzz
[13:05] <Scuzz> lol np
[13:05] <Slackyboy> ; )
[13:05] <Scuzz> have fun
[13:05] <fire|bird> slackytude: Other than slow connection, what's it seem like?
[13:06] <slackytude> fire|bird, its very intuitive. easy to make documents together. one of the best parts is RPG games by wave. seems to work fine, but laggy like hell. the Javascript on the site brings down any browser other than chrome.
[13:07] <fire|bird> haha, wow. A few things to be worked on then.
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[13:08] <slackytude> if it gets a decent client, it should be funky
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[13:24] <xsamurai> being a w2 employee sucks
[13:25] <slackytude> being an employee sucks
[13:26] <eviljames> ++slackytude;
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[13:26] <lotec> Quiznos: you here?
[13:26] <xsamurai> true but being broke sucks even more
[13:26] <eviljames> There are other options between being an employee and being broke.
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[13:27] <eviljames> Live a cheaper lifestyle
[13:27] <slackytude> win the lottery ^-^
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[13:29] <Guest51557> can non-root users access the other tty's from X? IE ctrl+alt+F3, i just get a black screen
[13:29] <fire|bird> Guest51557: yes
[13:29] <eviljames> Guest51557: ctl-alt-F6
[13:29] <eviljames> Guest51557: sometimes in RL4 the other TTYs are disabled.
[13:30] <Guest51557> yeah i am just getting black screens when im logged in as non root
[13:32] <xsamurai> Guest51557: you mean the command line ? or blank as in nothing on there not even the shell prompt
[13:32] <Guest51557> nothing, just blank
[13:33] <fire|bird> Guest51557: If it's just a blank screen, then that tty is disabled.
[13:33] <Guest51557> whats the file that controls that?
[13:34] <fire|bird> /etc/inittab
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[13:35] <fonseg> where can i find Rodent icon package for slackware?
[13:36] <rk4n3> Guest51557: more specifically, when you're in runlevel 4 for a display manager to serve up X sessions, most of the virtual consoles are disabled
[13:37] <fire|bird> hey rk4n3
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[13:37] <Guest51557> rk4n3: so this is normal? I would like to be able to have at least 1 console incase X freezes
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[13:38] <fire|bird> Guest51557: yes, it's normal, but you can enable them.
[13:38] <adamk_> Guest51557, You should have at least one console on tty6
[13:38] <slackytude> edit inittab
[13:40] <Guest51557> i dont have 1 on tty6, i am looking at inittab right now, only part i can see is
[13:40] <Guest51557> c5:1235:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux
[13:40] <Guest51557> c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux
[13:40] <rk4n3> Guest51557: there should be at least one ... isn't vconsole 1 and 2 avaialble ?
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[13:40] <thrice`> X will spawn on the (tty<last>+1)
[13:41] <infoman> hello :-)
[13:41] <adamk_> Guest51557, That shows in in runlevel 4, tty6 should be active.  If it's not, then there is something wrong, obviously :-)
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[13:42] <Guest51557> adamk, yeah thats what i figured cause 6 is differant than the others, its not working tho
[13:42] <Guest51557> can i just set them all to 4?
[13:42] <Guest51557> and hope 1 works
[13:42] <thrice`> i'm sorry, what are you trying to do exactly?
[13:42] <rk4n3> Guest51557: you know that once out of X, you'd have to use the alt-# keys instead of the ctl-alt-# ones, right ?
[13:43] <rk4n3> Guest51557: so, if you did ctl-alt-F3 to get out of X and saw a blank screen, doing ctl-alt-F6 from there wouldn't work even if console 6 was up
[13:43] <Guest51557> rk4n3, yes, last time i alt'ed through all the tty's, i couldnt get back to X, or reach any tty's, so right now im, ctrl-alt to tty, altF7 back to X
[13:44] <Guest51557> yeah, i got X -- tty -- X -- tty, cause i dont want to get stuck again
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[13:44] <fire|bird> hey neonflux
[13:44] <rk4n3> Guest51557: OK ... hmm...
[13:44] <neonflux> hi fire|bird...how goes it?
[13:45] <fire|bird> neonflux: great, thanks. you? I see there's a new alpha of xbmc out. I may give it a shot later today.
[13:45] <neonflux> yeah, I just built it yesterday
[13:45] <Guest51557> rk4n3,  i read somthing about removing usplash  param for something like this
[13:45] <neonflux> really haven't played around with it though
[13:46] <Guest51557> rk4n3,  supposed to have to do with boot params, i check lilo.conf but nothing there
[13:46] <neonflux> fire|bird: I'm doing good
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[13:47] <rk4n3> Guest51557: are you specifying normal or a framebuffer console in lilo.conf ?
[13:48] <rk4n3> Guest51557: sometimes the framebuffer has problems with the video card
[13:48] <neonflux> fire|bird: I'd be interested if it compiles on x86_64...interested in being a guinea pig? :)
[13:48] <Guest51557> rk4n3, vga = normal , if thats what you mean
[13:48] <fire|bird> neonflux: sure. :)
[13:48] <rk4n3> Guest51557: yeah - OK, so FB isn't the issue
[13:49] <neonflux> fire|bird: here's the new updated slackbuild... http://slackbuilds.vogule.com/slackbuilds/XBMC/13.0/src/xbmc-a1.tar.gz
[13:50] <lotec> anyone know what a vap is?
[13:50] <Guest51557> rk4n3, in /etc/inittab, it has a paragraph about this issue, then this line   x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4    , its un-commented though, so it should be working
[13:50] <lotec> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/hostapd-and-madwifi-not-working-481590/
[13:50] <fire|bird> neonflux: ok, I'll give it a try.
[13:50] <lotec> having the same problem as this guy.  said he set vap to master mode
[13:51] <neonflux> :)
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[14:00] <rk4n3> Guest51557: yeah, that's the actual runlevel 4 spec that keeps the X display manager up
[14:02] <Guest51557> rk4n3, yeah i took a look at it, i put all the tty's to run in level 4, im gonna restart x, maybe 1 will work
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[14:06] <Guest17274> rk4n3, When i was in run level 3, i looked at the other tty's, tty2, 3, and 6, Were a beigh screen with a blinking underscore at a random place on the screen
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[14:12] <Guest17274> rk4n3, no tty's still , this a fresh install of 13 btw
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[14:15] <agentc0re|work> is 13.0 apache user different from 12.2?
[14:16] <jeev> apache on 12.2 and apache on 130
[14:16] <jeev> l4m3r
[14:16] <jeev> agentc0re|work, can you next time not open your chute ?
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[14:19] <thrice`> :D
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[14:20] <jeev> thriceroni
[14:20] <agentc0re|work> I don't know what's so "smile" about someone telling me not to open my chute..
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[14:23] <chee> close your chute (^w^)b
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[14:24] <fire|bird> neonflux: working on building it now. It appears some more deps are needed than what I needed for the previous version.
[14:25] <neonflux> fire|bird: yeah, I updated the README
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[14:25] <neonflux> fire|bird: it should all be there...I built it yesterday on a vanilla 32 bit Slackware
[14:26] <agentc0re|work> chee: chute as in, parachute..  as in, don't open it so i become a pancake on the ground.
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[14:27] <rk4n3> Guest17274: hmm ... and you've tried runlevel 3 and verified console functionality there ?
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[14:27] <mihaylov> heya
[14:27] <mihaylov> ...
[14:27] <chee> i like pancake (^0^)b        don't die agentc0re|work ! (U.U)y!
[14:27] <Guest17274> rk4n3, some do, 1 , 4, 5 yes, but now 2, 3, 6, give me a weird beige screen in level 3
[14:28] <Guest17274> rk4n3, , its like a yellow beige, with a underscore cursor places randomly on it blinking
[14:28] <rk4n3> Guest17274: that really sounds like a video driver issue to me - have you tried a fresh boot into runlevel 3 ?
[14:29] <mihaylov> why do my brain things aways bout my neigtbor, wh0 i've isulted when i was doing "my things "
[14:29] <mihaylov> ?
[14:29] <Guest17274> rk4n3, no i've been working on getting some other stuff working
[14:29] <rk4n3> Guest17274: I'm guessing a fresh boot into runlevel 3 will give you fully functional consoles, and then when you run X, even if you get out of it, your consoles won't work right again
[14:29] <Guest17274> rk4n3, im pretty sure my tty's work from X when im root tho
[14:30] <mihaylov> no don't run X
[14:30] <mihaylov> !!1
[14:30] <Guest17274> rk4n3,  that may be before i installed the driver though, ill go test
[14:30] <rk4n3> Guest17274: OK
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[14:30] <mihaylov> you'll have problems
[14:30] <mihaylov> configure your driver from console XD
[14:31] <mihaylov> i missed hiim
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[14:31] <mihaylov> whatever
[14:32] <mihaylov> anyone have the answer why ?
[14:32] <mihaylov> whatever ?
[14:32] <neonflux> fire|bird: building 32/64 bit xbmc?
[14:32] <mihaylov> nah i am on 32
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[14:33] <mancha> hope atheros keeps making chips even with the indictment !
[14:33] <mihaylov> i think i want to jaail someone
[14:33] <mihaylov> :/
[14:34] <tux_boy> I have to boot from a live cd image from a usb stick. How to go about that?
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[14:36] <rk4n3> tux_boy:  I'm not sure why you think you have to do that, but there is a usbboot image provided on the slackware mirrros
[14:36] <tux_boy> rk4n3, my dvd/cd rom is not working anymore :)
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[14:37] <fatmike666> Evening Mrs. I would like to know what Kernel Versions of Slackware give NPTL support?
[14:37] <rk4n3> tux_boy:  then your best bet is to boot from the usb image provided on a slackware mirror, and copy the slackware installation media contents to a media that can be accessed, like a big thumb drive or USB HD
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[14:37] <rk4n3> tux_boy: ... then, in the install, you select to install from a partition, and select the partition that your media showed up as
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[14:38] <Guest99597> rk4n3, your right, it appears to be video drivers, its always the damn video driver
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[14:38] <tux_boy> rk4n3, thanks I found it. but I was looking at it from a general distro's perspective.
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[14:38] <tux_boy> rk4n3, using syslinux
[14:39] <mancha> isn't nptl mainlined since 2.6?
[14:39] <rk4n3> Guest99597: yeah, all of the video manufacturers seem to be having problems these days - irritating
[14:39] <fatmike666> mancha, I'm not sure... Is it?
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[14:40] <infoman> what is the way to restore LILO ? MBR ? to work again correctly  take a look at http://pastebin.com/m2842a351
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[14:40] <fatmike666> infoman, make a bootdisk and reinstall lilo...
[14:40] <fire|bird> neonflux: 64bit
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[14:40] <ruben23> hi how do i make a startup script for an application newly install on my slack server..
[14:41] <neonflux> fire|bird: glad to hear it. :)
[14:41] <mancha> fatmike yes, unless you and i are talking about different things...
[14:41] <fire|bird> neonflux: whoops, my mistake with deps, I was positive I had them all already. :P was missing a couple.
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[14:42] <mancha> if you mean the threading support, nptl replaced linthresds in 2.6+
[14:43] <mancha> linthreads*
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[14:44] <mancha> if you look hard you can find patches for 2.5.x and 2.4.x but i see no reason to not be on the 2.6 branch
[14:45] <ruben23> hi how do i make a startup script for an application newly install on my slack server..
[14:46] <slackytude> make a rc script and add a call to it in rc.local
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[14:46] <rk4n3> tux_boy:  well, sounds like an interesting thing to figure out - I don't mess with syslinux much though, so I'd be of little help
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[14:47] <tux_boy> rk4n3, thanks. yeah sounds interesting .. messy nevertheless
[14:47] <xsamurai> slackytude: you mean make an rc script or call it from rc.local
[14:47] <xsamurai> i dont think you want to have both
[14:48] <rk4n3> tux_boy:  I had great luck installing on my EEE PC, which doesn't have a CD/DVD drive, for what its worth
[14:48] <hiptobecubic> Can slackware fit into 424 Megabytes? No X or anything crazy like that
[14:48] <slackytude> xsamurai, yes, both. you add all the options it needs inside rc.mystuff and check if its executable in rc.local
[14:48] <hiptobecubic> it should, right?
[14:48] <slackytude> if it is, call it
[14:49] <tux_boy> rk4n3, though there are live-usb_creator which can make live_usb_ from the iso. they configure the syslinux bootloader
[14:49] <Slackyboy> yes hiptocubic
[14:49] <rk4n3> tux_boy:  sounds interesting
[14:49] <Slackyboy> heard lo fat slack servers on half that
[14:49] <tux_boy> rk4n3, yes well thats the easy way to go if you have less time. aw.. well who has got all the time..
[14:50] <Slackyboy> search the web for a lo fat slack server. you ll get there
[14:50] <rk4n3> heh
[14:50] <tux_boy> rk4n3, isolinux is the bootloader from the live_cd and syslinux can be from fat/vfat (windows FS(es))
[14:50] <xsamurai> slackytude: dunno i usually call my rc.scripts from rc.M
[14:50] <ruben23> slackytude: is it fine i put the command only how do i start my application on the rc.local..?
[14:50] <xsamurai> and if its something basic like a nfs mount i run that from rc.local
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[14:51] <tux_boy> rk4n3, there are PXElinux bootloader for n/w booting and another extlinux ( well obvious) isnt it eh.. ?
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[14:51] <Camarade_Tux> not time to look up, how do you convert files from .mpc to .ogg?
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[14:52] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, can't ffmpeg do that? or mencoder
[14:53] <Camarade_Tux> anyone can give me the command line? I have < 20 minutes :D
[14:53] <Camarade_Tux> btw, I suck at stepmania
[14:53] <hiptobecubic> :D
[14:53] <mancha> no
[14:53] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: and haven't tried the install yet ;)
[14:53] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: ='(
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[14:54] <thrice`> 20 minutes is more than enough time to google
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[14:55] <thrice`> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+convert+mpc+to+ogg&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
[14:55] <thrice`> i'll save you some time
[14:56] <infoman> i am not expert :)  i have slackware 13.0 DVD  what is suitable steps to reinstall LILO or restore  MBR   http://pastebin.com/m2842a351
[14:56] <rk4n3> tux_boy:  I've been interested in pxe, but haven't had the time to master the server setup yet, though
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[14:57] <xsamurai> infoman: reboot the system with the dvd and install lilo
[14:57] <infoman> only
[14:57] <xsamurai> yes select your drive but choose not to format it
[14:58] <infoman> /boot ==> /dev/sda1
[14:58] <tux_boy> rk4n3, I see.
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[14:59] <xsamurai> infoman: http://edge-op.org/grouch/relilo.html
[14:59] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, you can put two of these together
[14:59] <hiptobecubic> http://en.linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_Convert_audio_files
[14:59] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, make a wav and then use oggenc i guess
[15:00] <Camarade_Tux> made wav files
[15:00] <mancha> info essentially you want to boot into any linux, the dvd will work, then mount your drive, chroot into it, and re-run /sbin/lilo from inside the chroot
[15:00] <xsamurai> we need a google bot in here, it would make life easier then going to google typing in the search bar and clicking click
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[15:00] <infoman> thanks xsamurai
[15:00] <Guest99597> mancha, dont you need to bind /dev/ with /mnt/dev also?
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[15:01] <infoman> thanks mancha
[15:01] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, there we go
[15:01] <hiptobecubic> http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_aac/mp4_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux#aac.2Fm4a.2Fmp4.2Fany_to_ogg
[15:02] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, same procedure there i guess. whatever to wav to ogg
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[15:02] <Camarade_Tux> made a few ogg files, stuck on others, hmmmm
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[15:03] <mancha> Guest99597 just an urban legeng
[15:03] <mancha> legend
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[15:03] <Camarade_Tux> bah, they fail =/
[15:03] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, did you ever get your remote-install to work ?
[15:03] <Nick_Patterson> "They"?
[15:04] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: not tried yet, will try this week-end
[15:04] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, i'm about to try on a usb stick
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[15:05] <mancha> you can also have lilo chroot for you, but please beware it is always risky...
[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: ok, tell me how it goes ;-)
[15:06] <Camarade_Tux> bah bah bah, I can't convert my second album
[15:06] <Camarade_Tux> too bad, no time to
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[15:07] <xsamurai> california overtime exempt where the points dont matter, sounds like "whos line is it anyways"
[15:08] <xsamurai> hosted by the goobernator
[15:08] <mancha> i'll be slaaaahck
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[15:08] <slackytude> ruben23, yeah, thats fine
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[15:10] <slackytude> xsamurai, I usually avoid modifying my rc.M. if I dont touch it, chances are I dont need to merge with a .new file when an update comes. also, I find it easy to just manage several slackware machines, if I limit my edits to rc.local only
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[15:10] <Camarade_Tux> ok, gotta go, laterz
[15:11] <slackytude> see ya Camarade_Tux
[15:11] <xsamurai> slackytude: crazy talk i tell you
[15:11] <slackytude> xsamurai, s/just//
[15:11] <agentc0re|work> niels_horn: ping
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[15:11] <macavity> hey guys :-)
[15:11] <slackytude> y0 macavity
[15:11] <agentc0re|work> who are you?
[15:11] <macavity> my firefox just went out the window
[15:12] <macavity> if i launch it from a terminal i just get the prompt back
[15:12] <xsamurai> strace ?
[15:12] <macavity> if i launch firefox-bin directly i get ror while loading shared libraries: libxul.so
[15:13] <macavity> *eror while loading shared libraries: libxul.so
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[15:13] <slackytude> macavity, is there a libxul.so? what slackware / firefox version?
[15:14] <macavity> -current, 3.5.4
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[15:14] <macavity> mozilla-firefox-3.5.4-i686-1:usr/lib/firefox-3.5.4/libxul.so
[15:15] <thrice`> firefox ships xulrunner with firefox, not separately; use the /usr/bin/firefox wrapper instead of firefox-bin
[15:15] <macavity> and the the script /usr/bin/firefox sets up LD_PATH for that
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[15:15] <slackytude> macavity, compare checksum?
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[15:15] <macavity> thrice`: did that.. i just get the prompt back
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[15:15] <macavity> slackytude: i upgraded with slackpkg, and it checksums the packages
[15:16] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar
[15:16] <agentc0re|work> macavity: is any part of firefox-bin still running in the background?
[15:16] <macavity> nope
[15:16] <thrice`> strace it
[15:16] <macavity> ps aux | grep firefox
[15:16] <slackytude> macavity, I was thinking corrupt file due to FS / HDD errors
[15:16] <nooper> in some other universe, a different macavity is wondering why so many firefoxes are suddenly opening up by themselves
[15:16] <thrice`> ugh, use pgrep ffs
[15:17] <macavity> nill too
[15:18] <xsamurai> really ffs ?
[15:18] <slackytude> no
[15:18] <macavity> crap.. pastebin.ca wont accept the trace
[15:19] <xsamurai> dpaste.com
[15:19] <BP{k}> pastebin.slackadelic.com
[15:19] <macavity> what.. i cant pipe strace
[15:19] <xsamurai> pastebin.cutpasteyoume.com
[15:20] <thrice`> "tee" ?
[15:20] <hiptobecubic> macavity, 2 >&1 ?
[15:20] <slackytude> strace 2>
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[15:20] <slackytude> its stderr, y0
[15:21] <macavity> thrice`: tee didnt fly
[15:21] <hiptobecubic> What is wrogn with this command  `su -c pkgtool --sets "#a" --source_dir /media/disk/slackware --target_dir /media/usbslack/`   where /media/disk/slackware has the a ap x xap... dirs under it
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[15:21] <hiptobecubic> it doesn't do anything. just returns to prompt
[15:21] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, creative use of pkgtool
[15:21] <xsamurai> try -o to save to an output file
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[15:22] <macavity> slackytude++
[15:22] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, --sets looks cool. didnt know it can do that
[15:22] <hiptobecubic> me either. man pkgtool :)
[15:22] Action: slackytude advances a level
[15:23] <agentc0re|work> slackytude: no, you're supposed to yell,  DING!!
[15:23] <agentc0re|work> :P
[15:23] <slackytude> DING!
[15:23] <jeev> pancake
[15:23] <macavity> dong
[15:23] <macavity> http://pastebin.ca/1658681
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[15:26] <slackytude> not a very helpful trace
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[15:26] <slackytude> I see not mentioning of libxul
[15:26] <macavity> no, that is only when i try to start firefox-bin directly
[15:27] <slackytude> could you trace that?
[15:27] <macavity> but as thrice pointed out, that was never the idea of it
[15:27] <thrice`> macavity, out of curiosity, if you downgrade FF ?
[15:27] <macavity> it bombs out at the ldopen (as i expected)
[15:27] <thrice`> it works for me, but i'm on 64-bit, where it's compiled
[15:28] <macavity> thrice`: i dont think i did.. i just ran slackpkg upgrade-all
[15:28] <slackytude> macavity, but it looks like it starts run-mozilla as child and that child dies
[15:28] <macavity> ok.. something is fucked up
[15:28] <slackytude> so, a trace of firefox-bin would be nice
[15:28] <macavity> removepkg firefox:
[15:29] <macavity> ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/firefox*: No such file or directory
[15:29] <thrice`> I'm guessing the upgrade process didn't go so smoothly
[15:29] <macavity> not good..
[15:29] <slackytude> meh
[15:29] <macavity> ahh
[15:29] <fire|bird> macavity: it's mozilla-firefox
[15:29] <macavity> mozilla-firecox
[15:29] <macavity> fire|bird: right :P
[15:29] <slackytude> ah, lol
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[15:30] <jeev> has anyone seen straterra
[15:31] <fire|bird> neonflux: xbmc 9.11 a1 built and installed successfully, working great so far as well.
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> Has anyone wanted to?
[15:31] <fire|bird> hey Alan_Hicks, how are you?
[15:31] <neonflux> fire|bird: glad to hear it. :)
[15:31] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: some gay in estern fucking fuvile?
[15:32] <slackytude> fire|bird, there was a report about xbmc. they ran it on a beagle board with ARM chip, nice
[15:32] <macavity> ok, i just re-installed firefox.. no go
[15:32] <neonflux> fire|bird: if you start xbmc from the command line and then exit the program...does it spit out any messages?
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[15:33] <fire|bird> neonflux: I'll check
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[15:33] <thrice`> macavity, if you try the 3.5.3 package again?  if as a new user?
[15:33] <hiptobecubic> sono one know what's wrong with that command?  sudo pkgtool --sets \#a --source_dir /media/disk/slackware --target_dir /media/usbslack/    ?
[15:33] <hiptobecubic> showering brb
[15:34] <slackytude> maybe source path needs a slash at the end?
[15:34] <fire|bird> neonflux: one error: X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter)
[15:34] <xsamurai> macavity: i suggest going through the strace and look for anything that says "no such file or directory" and work your way through those, some are just rc configs
[15:34] <macavity> thrice`: i removed the ~/.mozilla between the remove and install
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[15:34] <macavity> xsamurai: ^^
[15:34] <neonflux> fire|bird: thanks...I got a couple messages as well...not sure sure what they mean
[15:34] <xsamurai> but some might lead to the actual problem
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[15:35] <fire|bird> neonflux: me either, but it doesn't seem to affect functionality of it.
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[15:35] <slackytude> macavity, Im fairly certain the problem is with a child strace spawns.
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[15:35] <neonflux> fire|bird: yeah, same here
[15:35] <macavity> oh, and where do i get 3.5.3?
[15:35] <macavity> slackytude: that *strace* spawns?
[15:35] <neonflux> fire|bird: hopefully, they fix some of the issues before the final release
[15:36] <fire|bird> neonflux: yeah, with any luck, they will.
[15:36] <thrice`> or .2
[15:36] <thrice`> http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/slackware/xap/mozilla-firefox-3.5.2-i686-1.txz
[15:36] <xsamurai> use the -f option to trace children
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[15:37] <macavity> thrice`++
[15:37] <slackytude> macavity, am I being unclear?
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[15:38] <macavity> slackytude: either that, or my idea of what strace does is wrong
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[15:39] <macavity> thrice`: ok.. let me see if it works with another user.. as the downgrade didnt work either
[15:39] <slackytude> macavity, it catches the syscalls a process does. it will not catch the syscalls of children, afaik.
[15:40] <macavity> ah
[15:40] <macavity> brb.. need to test as another user
[15:40] <xsamurai> unless you tell it to
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[15:41] <agentc0re|work> could always just move his .mozilla folder to a temp place.  if he upgraded, he might have some old cache files or plugin's etc.. that are causing it to crap out.
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[15:46] <lotec> Quiznos: you around?
[15:46] <macavity> thrice`: you were right.. it work as the test user
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[15:46] <slackytude> oi
[15:46] <slackytude> nice
[15:46] <macavity> i wonder what .dirs/ and .files i should remove
[15:47] <agentc0re|work> could always just move his .mozilla folder to a temp place.  if he upgraded, he might have some old cache files or plugin's etc.. that are causing it to crap out.
[15:47] <thrice`> he mentioned trying that already
[15:47] <fire|bird> agentc0re|work: He already removed it: 14:33 < macavity> thrice`: i removed the ~/.mozilla between the remove and install
[15:47] <agentc0re|work> ah.
[15:47] <agentc0re|work> sorry.
[15:47] Action: agentc0re|work needs food
[15:47] <macavity> i kiled .macromedia to.. just to be sure
[15:48] <macavity> the most annoyng part is that i dont get an error message
[15:48] <infoman> i try to  restore lilo by reboot with slackware 13.0 DVD  then  mount /dev/sda7 /tmp  then  mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/boot  then  chroot  /tmp  then /sbin/lilo -r /tmp  as in http://edge-op.org/grouch/relilo.html but i get message Warning: root at /tmp has no /dev directory & Fatal: Cannot open: /etc/lilo.conf     any  useful advice :-)ls -/
[15:48] <agentc0re|work> could be something in .cache or .local maybe?  possibly .kde too.
[15:49] <macavity> nothing funny in .local
[15:49] <macavity> removed .cache
[15:50] <Slackyboy> thank you very much for your precious help everyone. have a great evenning
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[15:52] <infoman> i try /sbin/lilo  only i think it work i will reboot now
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[15:52] <xsamurai> infoman: you need to also mount -o bind /proc /tmp/proc  and mount -o bind /dev /tmp/dev
[15:52] <agentc0re|work> infoman: http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/README_RAID.TXT
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[15:53] <agentc0re|work> infoman: go to troubleshooting and follow the chroot'ing section.  then rerun lilo.
[15:55] <infoman> Wow i restored my system by /sbin/lilo only not /sbin/lilo -r /tmp
[15:55] <infoman> many thanks for all :-)
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[15:56] <hiptobecubic> arrrrrrrrrgh
[15:56] <fire|bird> hey hiptobecubic
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[15:57] <fire|bird> welcome back macavity
[15:57] <macavity> thrice`: ok, so i moved .kde, and now it just hangs at the prompt when i launch firefox
[15:57] <hiptobecubic> fire|bird, hey. Do YOU know what's wrong with " sudo pkgtool --sets \#a --source_dir /media/disk/slackware --target_dir /media/usbslack/"  ?
[15:57] <hiptobecubic> a '/' after --source_dir didn't help
[15:58] <macavity> thrice`: and firefox-bin seems hung at 95% CPU :-/
[15:59] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, sure its \#A? not #A or #A#
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[15:59] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, also, tried adding a trailing slash to source path?
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[16:00] <hiptobecubic> trid both
[16:00] <hiptobecubic> tried*
[16:00] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: try without the \ in \#a
[16:00] <hiptobecubic> tried it, just hangs
[16:00] <fire|bird> also, should be #A
[16:00] <hiptobecubic> chagned that too
[16:01] <slackytude> bugger
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[16:01] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: Is /media/disk/slackware mounted?
[16:01] <hiptobecubic> tes
[16:02] <hiptobecubic> yes it is.
[16:02] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: try with --source_mounted ?
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[16:03] <slackytude> y0 antiwire
[16:03] <hiptobecubic> fire|bird, that's for use with --source_device... tried it anyway. no change
[16:03] <fredoslack> ;)
[16:04] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: ah, ok. Sorry then, I'm not sure.
[16:04] <slackytude> and you tried #A#?
[16:04] <hiptobecubic> yep
[16:04] <slackytude> have you tried turning it off an on again
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[16:04] <antiwire> slackytude: yo man
[16:04] <slackytude> antiwire, ^-^
[16:04] <hiptobecubic> turning what off and on again?
[16:05] <slackytude> hiptobecubic, was trying to make a joke, excuse me
[16:05] <hiptobecubic> lol
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[16:06] <macavity> hiptobecubic: --source_mounted?
[16:06] <hiptobecubic> macavity, it says that's for use with --source_device... tried it anyway. no luck
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[16:07] <slackytude> oh noes
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[16:07] <macavity> hiptobecubic: you should probably see rworkman or alienBOB about it then.. just for the slim chance that you found a bug rather than a brainfart
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[16:07] <slackytude> Ether-man and mota do their usual flamewar routine in #windows
[16:08] <hiptobecubic> Well i've gotta run to the store at the moment. maybe they'll be around later on.
[16:09] <antiwire> i'll give them a heads up, so they know to stay away
[16:09] <slackytude> heh
[16:09] <slackytude> speaking of weird slackware easter eggs...
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[16:09] <slackytude> anybody got the reason for pom -d 3321
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[16:10] <slackytude> fck!
[16:10] <RipVanWinkle> who uses openoffice-3.1.1 on slack-13? spellcheck working?
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[16:11] <macavity> ok.. NOW it gets funny
[16:11] <mag0o> works here RipVanWinkle
[16:11] <macavity> charlotte@emma_gad:~$ firefox
[16:11] <macavity> charlotte@emma_gad:~$ /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/crashreporter: error while loading shared libraries: libgconf-2.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:11] <RipVanWinkle> mine is broken
[16:11] <macavity> libgconf?!?
[16:12] <macavity> but i cant reproduce it
[16:12] <slackytude> there was a call in the strace to gconf
[16:12] <macavity> it only fails like that the first time i try
[16:12] <macavity> but.. slackware doesnt *have* gconf, does it?!?
[16:13] <slackytude> not by default, its on sbo, tho
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[16:13] <thrice`> Pat just repackages FF's binary, remember
[16:13] <RipVanWinkle> both aspell & aspell-en & ispell are installed,
[16:13] <thrice`> the link to libgconf (and others) are harmless
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[16:14] <ccfreak2k> If I execute a command as part of a conditional in a bash script, does the command block return the exit code of the command so I can compare it?
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[16:14] <Alan_Hicks> ccfreak2k: Huh?
[16:15] <Alan_Hicks> ccfreak2k: You mean like "if mount; then foo; fi"?
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[16:15] <ccfreak2k> Alan_Hicks, example: if [ -nz $(grep foo bar) ]; then echo "grep failed!"; fi
[16:15] <macavity> thrice`: i have tried removing every dot file and dot dir... it works as testuser but not as this user
[16:16] <Alan_Hicks> ccfreak2k: Yes, but you gotta be careful 'cause some apps have strange return codes.
[16:16] <thrice`> macavity, heh, "wtf?"
[16:16] <ccfreak2k> In this case, it's just grep, so I should be safe if it's consistent there.
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[16:17] <macavity> thrice`: yup.. and i just tried clearing out /tmp
[16:17] <macavity> thrice`: guess what? :P
[16:17] <Alan_Hicks> ccfreak2k: But I don't understand this: "[ -nz "
[16:17] <macavity> Non Zero
[16:17] <ccfreak2k> Alan_Hicks, not zero.
[16:17] <Alan_Hicks> That checks to see if the string is non-zero and if it is zero.
[16:17] <Alan_Hicks> -z string True if the length of string is zero.
[16:17] <Alan_Hicks> n string
[16:17] <Alan_Hicks>               True if the length of string is non-zero.
[16:18] <Alan_Hicks> That means that the condition should always return true IIUC.
[16:18] <ccfreak2k> Guess I can use -ne 0 then
[16:18] <rk4n3> Alan_Hicks:  see, you understand it fine - you just question its sanity :)
[16:18] <macavity> man.. this is beoyond me
[16:18] <Alan_Hicks> rk4n3: haha
[16:18] <Alan_Hicks> ccfreak2k: There's a better way to do that.
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[16:19] <Alan_Hicks> if grep foo bar > /dev/null 2>&1; then # if grep find something, it exits 0, else 1.
[16:19] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: What's beyond you?
[16:19] <macavity> that firefox just silently fail
[16:19] <rk4n3> macavity:  keep in mind that the grep call is going to spew the matches to stdout, unless you suppress them
[16:20] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Run it in a terminal.
[16:20] <macavity> it works for the test user.. but not the regular user
[16:20] <rk4n3> macavity: ... in case you just wanted the result, that is
[16:20] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: i did.....
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[16:20] <Alan_Hicks> rk4n3: It'll also spew errors to stdout.
[16:20] <rk4n3> good point
[16:20] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: And it ust exists without printing anything?
[16:20] <macavity> yes
[16:20] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Try running firefox-bin.
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[16:21] <macavity> it wont fly because LD_PATH isnt set up and such
[16:21] <tux_boy> better use grep -q to suppress grep
[16:21] <macavity> it bitches out over libxul
[16:21] <Alan_Hicks> Well, set LD_PATH and a few others one-at-a-time and see what fails.
[16:21] <Alan_Hicks> Otherwise, try running it as a different user.  COuld be something in your dot-files.
[16:22] <tux_boy> macavity, strace firefox and see which call fails
[16:22] <Alan_Hicks> tux_boy: I don't think -q is POSIX, so the above version is more portable.
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[16:22] <Alan_Hicks> tux_boy: Nevermind. -q is POSIX.  My bad.
[16:22] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: He's tried removing all dot-files and a new user. It works for new user.
[16:22] <tux_boy> Alan_Hicks, but this is slackware and I believe grep "-q" is supported
[16:23] <tux_boy> Alan_Hicks, nevermind. :)
[16:23] <Alan_Hicks> tux_boy: True, but I always try to script (and inform others to script) in portable ways. Never know when it will come in handy.
[16:23] <Alan_Hicks> fire|bird: All dot-files?
[16:23] <macavity> charlotte@emma_gad:/tmp$ LD_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/ /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/firefox-bin
[16:23] <macavity> /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:23] <tux_boy> Alan_Hicks, yes true :)
[16:23] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: 15:15 < macavity> thrice`: i have tried removing every dot file and dot dir... it works as testuser but not as this user
[16:23] <macavity> and libxul.so IS in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/
[16:24] <tux_boy> macavity, its colon separated
[16:24] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: slackware-13.0?
[16:24] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: -current
[16:24] <macavity> it just downgraded firefox as part of the testing
[16:25] <macavity> i can upgrade it again if you like
[16:25] <RipVanWinkle> spellcheck works with openoffice-2.4 but not 3.1.1
[16:25] <macavity> but as fire|bird pointed out.. there is *probably* some other odd fish at play here
[16:25] <tux_boy> macavity, #export LD_PATH=/usr/lib/..... : /usr/lib/firefox
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[16:25] <macavity> tux_boy: no, i am not supposed to export it
[16:25] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Hmm... that is odd.  You got rid of *ALL* the .dot-files or just certain ones?
[16:26] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, this is the strace http://pastebin.ca/1658681
[16:26] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: i didnt bother with .gxine and .irssi :P
[16:26] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: hehe.  Yeah, but I think firefox stores shit in several different .directories.
[16:26] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: but .kde .kderc .mozilla .adobe .macromedia etc etc
[16:26] <macavity> .cache
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[16:27] <tux_boy> macavity, why not?
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[16:27] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: That should have fixed it... I got no idea why it hasn't.
[16:27] <macavity> tux_boy: see bash(1) in environment veriable enheritance
[16:27] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Dumb-ass question....  ls -ld ~
[16:27] <macavity> /home/charlotte/
[16:28] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Permissions set right?
[16:28] <macavity> drwxr-xr-x
[16:28] <Alan_Hicks> user?
[16:28] <macavity> charlotte
[16:28] <macavity> uid 1000
[16:29] <macavity> users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power netdev
[16:29] <rk4n3> disk space left ?
[16:29] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Just was seeing if the user had permission to create dirs under ~.
[16:29] <macavity> 3.3G on / and 160G on /home
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[16:30] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: i follow.. but i have had a long day, so ill gladly just be the extention of your thoughts.. as i am *all* out of ideas now
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[16:30] <mihaylov> hetya
[16:31] <mihaylov> *heya
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[16:31] <rk4n3> macavity:  are there any left-over previous firefox processes for charlotte running ?  They would prevent the new one from starting up ...
[16:31] <macavity> arg, it is called LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[16:31] <macavity> LD_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/ /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/firefox-bin
[16:31] <mihaylov> what the hell
[16:31] <macavity> ... just returns the promt like callign firefox directly :-/
[16:31] <tux_boy> macavity, err maybe you need to set SHLIB_PATH
[16:32] <infoman> bye :-)
[16:32] <mihaylov> i am a noob myself :)
[16:32] <macavity> rk4n3: negatory
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[16:32] <macavity> tux_boy: what mabpage did you get that var from?!?
[16:32] <rk4n3> macavity:  yeah, to get lib dirs scanned, its LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[16:32] <macavity> *manpage
[16:33] <macavity> but i dont get an error when i set it right.. so that doesnt give me anything to work with
[16:33] <RipVanWinkle> ~/.mozilla/* is an obfuscated mess, makes me wonder if the people at mozilla are shady characters secretly collecting personal info on users
[16:33] <mihaylov> never been so enlightning. ...
[16:33] <slackytude> they are just a bunch of lazy hackers
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[16:34] <rk4n3> macavity:  so when you start firefox-bin directly, you get an error, right ?
[16:34] <mihaylov> ...
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[16:35] <macavity> rk4n3: without LD_LIBRARY_PATH i do.. with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/ /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/firefox-bin i dont
[16:35] <mihaylov> s##t
[16:35] <macavity> no error.. prompt just returns
[16:35] <macavity> no firesox
[16:35] <slackytude> maybe something in /tmp ? cache data?
[16:35] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Any particular reason why you're not running mozilla-firefox-3.5.3?
[16:35] <macavity> slackytude: nuked it
[16:35] <fire|bird> 3.5.4 is the latest
[16:35] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: i downgraded as a test.. they both behave the same
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[16:36] <macavity> hang on and i will upgrade again
[16:36] <Alan_Hicks> Meant 3.5.4 which is the latest.
[16:36] <RipVanWinkle> use the firefox.slackbuild for 64 and tweak it if needed and build your own
[16:36] <rk4n3> macavity:  but you just corrected the LD_LIBRARY_PATH name
[16:36] <Alan_Hicks> I don't think upgrading is gonna solve this problem though.
[16:36] <tux_boy> macavity, what about the log file?
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[16:36] <stygian> is there any prepackaged webcam capture software??
[16:36] <thrice`> Alan_Hicks, he was at 3.5.4, but downgraded to test the earlier versions too :)
[16:36] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: Ok, here's a possible solution, but it's tedious.
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[16:37] <slackytude> uh oh, black magic
[16:37] <thrice`> he's already found it works as a new user :)
[16:37] <macavity> ok, up to latest -current
[16:37] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: i am listening
[16:37] <Alan_Hicks> "sudo -i; mv /home/charlotte /home/charlotte.orig; mkdir /home/charlotte; chown charlotte:users /home/charlotte; exit"
[16:37] <rk4n3> thrice`:  good point
[16:37] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: see thrice`'s message
[16:37] <mihaylov> everyone knows what is he doing           ?
[16:37] <macavity> it works as testuser uid=1001
[16:38] <thrice`> lol
[16:38] <thrice`> maybe Alan_Hicks is drunk
[16:38] <mihaylov> chaos
[16:38] <fire|bird> haha
[16:38] <mihaylov> ...
[16:38] <fire|bird> thrice`: maybe? ;)
[16:38] <Alan_Hicks> Once that's done, log in as that user and start firefox.  Make sure it works.  Stop it, and "cp -a"ing files from charlotte.orig into charlotte until you find which ones are breakin' it.
[16:38] <macavity> oh no, i have seen shotgun commands with chown work like that before
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[16:38] <Alan_Hicks> Oh... that's a good point!
[16:38] <mihaylov> non not shotgun
[16:39] <mihaylov> !!!
[16:39] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: drwxr-xr-x 35 charlotte users 4096 2009-11-05 23:05 /home/charlotte//
[16:39] <Alan_Hicks> chown -R charlotte /home/charlotte; chmod -R u+rw /home/charlotte
[16:39] <mihaylov> macavity how ccan you remember  ?
[16:39] <macavity> mihaylov: i utilize my memory
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[16:40] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: what the hell.. it worked!?!
[16:40] <g4tt0> bye
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[16:40] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, do you know the story behind the pom -d 3321 command?
[16:40] <macavity> what the.. how the.. who the.. WHAT?!?!?
[16:40] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: What filesystem is /home?
[16:40] <macavity> jfs
[16:40] <mihaylov> macavity, you can alwways utiliaze memory
[16:41] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: No I don't.
[16:41] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: so is /
[16:41] <eviljames> I use ntfs for /home, it's obviously the bes filesystem.
[16:41] <eviljames> s/bes/best/
[16:41] <fire|bird> omg
[16:41] <BP{k}> slackytude: it's a certain user id ;)
[16:41] <rk4n3> eviljames:  troll :P
[16:41] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: What's special about that?
[16:41] <slackytude> BP{k}, mh?
[16:41] <mihaylov> :)
[16:41] <Alan_Hicks> macavity: I'm wondering if you might have hit some kind of weird fsck bug.
[16:41] <eviljames> rk4n3: Originally I wrote FAT32 but I figured it would be too obvious :P
[16:42] <rk4n3> eviljames:  haha :)
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[16:42] <macavity> next problem
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[16:42] <macavity> now firefox wont close
[16:42] <slackytude> lol
[16:42] <fire|bird> lol
[16:42] <macavity> it crashes when i hit the close button
[16:42] <macavity> and gives me the crash handler
[16:42] <macavity> >_<<<<<
[16:42] <slackytude> that at least should give you some decent log
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[16:43] <macavity> yes.. and i will investigate it tomorrow
[16:43] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: really, thanks for the help :-)
[16:43] <macavity> and everyone else who helped and/or made suggestions
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[16:43] <macavity> but now i need to crash and reset my own file permisions
[16:44] <macavity> ta ta
[16:44] <fire|bird> see ya macavity, take care.
[16:44] <slackytude> bye macavity
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[16:45] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: It's part of the bsd-games.pom.diff.gz file.
[16:46] <amazon10x> is there anything included in the slack repo that i can use to record some audio from my mic?
[16:46] <stygian> amazon10x: arecord
[16:46] <stygian> i just figured that out myself :D
[16:47] <stygian> you probably already have it
[16:47] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: I'll ask Pat.  He obviously put it there.  Just zless that diff file to see.
[16:47] <amazon10x> stygian: checking it out now; thanks
[16:47] <stygian> (part of alsa-utils)
[16:47] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, ahh, thx, I see it now
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[16:48] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, if (decimals == 3321)
[16:48] <slackytude> +			/* (void)printf("Howl!!! Know me, I am PJV.\n"); *
[16:48] <Alan_Hicks> +                       /* (void)printf("Howl!!! Know me, I am PJV.\n"); */
[16:48] <Alan_Hicks> +                       /* PJV's number is not 3321, and shan't be revealed here */
[16:48] <slackytude> easter eggs °-^
[16:48] <Alan_Hicks> Yeah, but why 3321? :-)
[16:48] <slackytude> I wish I knew, thats what I was asking
[16:48] <thrice`> alienBOB said it was from a poem or something
[16:48] <slackytude> altho I was pretty confused when I did a pom -d 3321 and nothing happens
[16:49] <slackytude> but I see now its only on full moon
[16:49] <slackytude> muhahaha
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[16:50] <slackytude> actually, it will do a: void)printf("I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by\n");
[16:50] <slackytude> +	}
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[16:51] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: 21:49 < volkerdi> Because the phrase "Spirit of the spirits of the Moon" in  Hebrew adds up to 3321, of course
[16:51] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, ah, its so obvious now
[16:51] <Alan_Hicks> I know.
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[16:52] <slackytude> well, anyway, Im sure that raised my level of "Arcane knowledge of Slackware"
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[16:54] <ccfreak2k> What other utilities are there like cut?
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[16:54] <slackytude> awk
[16:54] <ccfreak2k> awk it is.
[16:54] <slackytude> <3 awk
[16:54] <ccfreak2k> Actually
[16:55] <tank-man> perl is one too
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[16:55] <ccfreak2k> if I had a full path (/home/foo/bar) and wanted to cut it out to get only "bar", would cut do the trick?
[16:55] <tux_boy> ccfreak2k, basename
[16:55] <tank-man> basename
[16:56] <ccfreak2k> I don't necessarily want to strip -all- of the directories from it.
[16:56] <straterra> ccfreak2k: I posted some youtube videos of my current car using your engine :)
[16:56] <ccfreak2k> But, in this instance, strip /home/foo/ from a line.
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[16:57] <ccfreak2k> Actually, I might be making this harder than it is.
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[16:58] <ccfreak2k> Can find list files using relative paths?
[16:58] <tank-man> why not
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[16:58] <tank-man> find ../../ -name "*.jpg"
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[17:00] <ccfreak2k> Good call. I used ./, but now I want to strip that out of the results that find gives.
[17:00] <slackytude> sed ?
[17:00] <ccfreak2k> sed might work too.
[17:01] <slackytude> sed #^./##
[17:01] <slackytude> or something
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[17:01] <nyRednek> is there a relatively easy way to add a C scope and makefile editing to eclipse?
[17:01] <slackytude> hrm
[17:02] <slackytude> doesnt eclipse use a makefile?
[17:02] <nyRednek> slackytude: it uses its own internal crap
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[17:02] <nyRednek> and, by default, the only language it supports is java
[17:02] <slackytude> nyRednek, yeah, you need the C/C++ stuff
[17:03] Action: tux_boy doenst like bloated java
[17:03] <slackytude> tried netbeans? it got better
[17:03] <nyRednek> slackytude: i was hoping there'd be a relatively easy way to add it to the sbo build of eclipse
[17:03] <slackytude> nyRednek, there is actually. a eclipse plugin just gets extracted in the plugins dir
[17:04] <slackytude> its just a zip, afaik
[17:04] <slackytude> but its been a while, since I messed with it
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[17:07] <nyRednek> slackytude: i'm looking for available sites for plugins
[17:07] <slackytude> http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com/ ?
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[17:08] <nyRednek> slackytude: probably
[17:08] <slackytude> http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
[17:08] <nyRednek> i had to go piss and wasn't actually looking, was about to
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[17:09] <slackytude> nyRednek, hrm
[17:09] <slackytude> nyRednek, looks like I was wrong
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[17:09] <slackytude> Please note that unzipping the master zip file into the eclipse directory will not install CDT properly
[17:10] <ccfreak2k> Oh, I figured out what went wrong.
[17:10] <ccfreak2k> I think.
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[17:12] <slackytude> ccfreak2k, ?
[17:12] <nyRednek> ok, looking for eclipse cdt repositories now
[17:12] <ccfreak2k> No, I guess not.
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[17:13] <slackytude> crap
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[17:15] <Quiznos> crapcrap
[17:16] <Alan_Hicks> Can't we act like grown-ups here and say shit?
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[17:16] <slackytude> fuck yeah
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[17:17] <blkdg> hi, i am using slackware 64 13.0 + multilib from alienBob.  i am trying to install pdftk. i can't build it. i got a binary from slacky.eu and installed it and i am getting a libgcj error. has anyone built pdftk for slack 13?
[17:17] <ccfreak2k> Hmm.
[17:17] <Urchlay> hm, somehow "shit-tastic" doesn't really have the ring to it that "crap-tastic" has
[17:17] <slackytude> y0 Urchlay
[17:17] <Urchlay> hola, slackytude
[17:17] <Urchlay> what's shakin?
[17:18] <slackytude> meh, pondering this slackware easter egg
[17:18] <slackytude> how about you?
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[17:18] <fire|bird> hey aflame|subconsciously
[17:18] <fire|bird> er Urchlay
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[17:19] <Urchlay> harmlessly|befriended
[17:19] <Urchlay> er, fire|bird
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[17:19] <Urchlay> slackytude: my eyes are recovering from looking at this (it's SFW, just hideous):  http://www.lns.com/papers/tonegen/
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[17:20] <slackytude> Urchlay, heh
[17:20] <slackytude> Urchlay, did you know about pom -d 3321?
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[17:21] <blkdg> does slackware have libgcj ?
[17:21] <fire|bird> Urchlay: speaking of eyes recovering (nsfw-ish) http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/gravity.htm
[17:21] <Urchlay> slackytude: no, I heard of it for the first time like 2 days ago
[17:21] <slackytude> Urchlay, ah, you were there.
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[17:23] <nyRednek> blkdg: i'd suggest looking on slackbuilds.org
[17:23] <nyRednek> slacky.eu packages are notorious for being broken
[17:24] <blkdg> i tried the slacky package because i wanted to see what was missing.
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[17:24] <blkdg> after i instelled it and it didn't run at least i had something to google.
[17:24] <nyRednek> slackytude: btw, eclipse builds with apache ant for java, from the default sbo
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[17:25] <blkdg> no libgcj in slackbuilds
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[17:27] <blkdg> the slackbuilds script for 12.2 gives me 43 errors
[17:27] <blkdg> btw.
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[17:27] <fire|bird> hey chee
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[17:29] <blkdg> thanks anyhow
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[17:31] <Nick_Patterson> fire|bird: Oh, that is quite a picture illustrating the effects of gravity and time.
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[17:32] <fire|bird> Nick_Patterson: haha, yeah, and time has not treated her well. :P
[17:33] <Nick_Patterson> Lol
[17:33] <fire|bird> and, the boob job is like putting new shoes on a dead horse. :P
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[17:34] <Nick_Patterson> ROFL!
[17:34] <chee> hey, fire|bird
[17:34] <chee> bahh
[17:35] <Nick_Patterson> chee|sheep
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[17:52] <vastina> RipVanWinkle? wasn't that the real name of Vanilla Ice? haha!
[17:53] <stygian> rob van winkle
[17:53] <vastina> ah, close enough
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[18:07] <Urchlay> hm. Is there any point in getting the USB adaptor to hook a motorola cell phone to a slackware linux box? I mean, is there anything cool/useful I can do with it?
[18:07] <slackytude> Urchlay, might allow tethering or act as a modem
[18:07] <slackytude> but you know that
[18:08] <slackytude> ATPD 5551293
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[18:09] <Urchlay> wondering if there's even a remote chance of anything useful working without proprietary windows software
[18:10] <slackytude> these days, its often a linux on the devices
[18:10] <Urchlay> (phone has a camera, the windows software lets users pull images off the phone without having to pay a fee to transfer them thru the provider's server)
[18:11] <Urchlay> actually that's based on about 30 seconds of research, the manual tells you "you can connect your phone to a PC using a USB cable" and that's *all* it says (doesn't say why you might want to do that, or what it's capable of)
[18:11] <slackytude> I bet it will just appear as a USB-DISK
[18:12] <Urchlay> that would be semi-useful
[18:12] <Urchlay> cp /mnt/phone/photos/* ~/pictures_of_crap_on_my_phone
[18:12] <slackytude> yeah
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[18:12] <slackytude> it probably has some SD card slot too?
[18:12] <slackytude> or MMC or whatever
[18:13] <Urchlay> hmmm, don't think so
[18:13] <Urchlay> unless it's well-hidden
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[18:13] <slackytude> they can be inside sometimes, with the battery
[18:14] <slackytude> or under it
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[18:17] <Necos> what phone is this?
[18:18] <Necos> why aren't ya using bitpim to do that crap if it's a CDMA phone
[18:18] Action: jeev smacks Necos with a bitpim
[18:19] Action: Necos stabs jeev with 10,000 needles
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[18:19] <jeev> yea right
[18:19] <Necos> those cactaurs sure are useful
[18:19] <jeev> you can't even get close to me f00
[18:19] Action: jeev smacks Necos
[18:19] <Necos> heh, i was at lavc last night...
[18:19] <jeev> i started this slackware shit, this the motherfucking thanks i get ?
[18:19] <Necos> lol you gets nothin hoe
[18:20] <Necos> jeev, have you found a free pdf reader yet for your blackberry? or a djvu reader?
[18:21] Action: Necos has books that he wants to read while on the move 
[18:21] <jeev> are you kidding me
[18:21] <jeev> do i look retarded, i'd never try to read anything other than a basic email or text on a blackberry
[18:21] <jeev> you're gonna stare at a blackberry for that long ?
[18:21] <vastina> it's a bit funny how "You may now login as 'root'." ; slackware login: just hitting <return/enter> brings you to root anyway
[18:21] <vastina> on install
[18:22] <jeev> yep vagina
[18:22] <jeev> er vastina
[18:22] <Necos> lol
[18:22] <vastina> alright peev
[18:22] <Necos> for reference stuff when i'm not at home with my books at hand
[18:22] <jeev> ahaha
[18:22] <jeev> peev is funny
[18:22] <slackytude> vastina, because no pass is set
[18:22] <jeev> good one
[18:22] <vastina> i'm aware as to why, just thought it was funny
[18:22] <jeev> Necos, a real intellectual creates the book in their mind
[18:23] <Necos> my memory isn't that vast :P
[18:23] <Necos> i carry 7 books for reference in my backpack when i'm studying... i'm running out of physical space to carry all this stuff, so i wanna put the books in pdf on my blackberry
[18:24] <jeev> what the hell are you studying
[18:24] <Necos> electromagnetic theory :P
[18:24] <hiptobecubic> Necos, don't do it
[18:24] <jeev> cool
[18:24] <Necos> hiptobecubic, don't do what?
[18:24] <Necos> lighten the load of books that i have to carry with me?
[18:24] <hiptobecubic> Necos, if you need them to look up a fact here and there sure. If you are studying for exams, digital 'books' are a disaster.
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[18:25] <Urchlay> Necos: the phone is a motorola vo204. I have no idea what a CDMA phone is (pretty ignorant of cell phone technology in general)
[18:25] <Urchlay> er, vu204
[18:25] <Necos> www.bitpim.org :P (as far as transferring data back and forth)
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[18:26] <Necos> hiptobecubic, that's exactly what i'd use them for, quick reference
[18:26] <hiptobecubic> Necos, well sure then :)  Just don't expect to pull an all-nighter staring at pdfs. It's terrible.
[18:26] <Necos> oh fuck no >.>
[18:26] Action: hiptobecubic tried it
[18:27] <Necos> it's like "oh, what's curl of a function in cylindrical coordinates" (go to page X in a book and read the formula)
[18:27] <AlexElliott> How about one of those e-book readers, those are supposed to mimic books on the eye, but I haven't been able to justify the cost
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[18:27] <Necos> i can't afford a 200$ ebook reader lol
[18:27] <slackytude> fucking cylinder coordinates
[18:28] <Necos> and i already have the books in pdf / djvu format
[18:28] <Necos> i just need something that i can read 'em with on my blackberry
[18:29] <Necos> i might actually go and buy documentstogo >.<;
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[18:30] <jeev> Necos, can't you leech it
[18:31] <Necos> from? :P
[18:31] <Necos> i have not looked in to the black arts of the blackberry yet lol
[18:32] <jeev> me neither
[18:32] <jeev> i should
[18:32] <Necos> have you seen this app called addonis?
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[18:34] <Necos> oh shit, this might be what i was looking for :) http://www.mobipocket.com/en/eBooks/whatisanebook.asp?Language=EN#content7
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[18:36] <Necos> http://software.crackberry.com/product.asp?id=37544 <--- AddOnis the beta was so awesome...
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[18:38] <nyRednek> ok, i figured it out
[18:38] <nyRednek> but it still uses apache ant as its build tool
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[18:40] <nyRednek> you say netbeans is a better setup these days?
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[18:40] <juan--d-_-b> netbeans sux
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[18:40] <nyRednek> juan--d-_-b: well, to put it in perspective, i learned to code on borland 5.5
[18:41] <jeev> necos, i'd never try reading things on bb
[18:41] <nyRednek> juan--d-_-b: so does eclipse...it's SLOW
[18:42] <slackytude> netbeans sucks. so does ecplise. I still prefer eclipse
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[18:42] <slackytude> me mate like netbeans tho
[18:42] <juan--d-_-b> slackytude: ++
[18:42] <slackytude> mates
[18:43] <slackytude> its really only useful if you do Java
[18:43] <deco> vim ftw
[18:43] <slackytude> eclipse has vim bindings and a decent python interpreter tho
[18:43] <slackytude> so I use it for projects with a more compley layout
[18:43] <slackytude> complex
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[18:44] <slackytude> but C/C++ in eclipse? I dunno
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[18:44] <hiptobecubic> i haven't used eclipse
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[18:44] <slackytude> netbeans for C/C++ is probably not bad but I didnt try
[18:44] <hiptobecubic> of course, i'm not a dev for anything meaningful
[18:44] <eclipse75> helllloooo vietnam
[18:45] <eclipse75> :)
[18:45] <nyRednek> slackytude: well, i installed the c/c++ perspective
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[18:45] <slackytude> nyRednek, in eclipse?
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[18:45] <Necos> well, jeev, sometimes it's very useful
[18:46] <slackytude> nyRednek, and how you like it?
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[18:46] <jeev> dunno
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[18:48] <nyRednek> it's a lot like borland
[18:48] <nyRednek> thinking of it, it's a lot like watcom too
[18:50] <nyRednek> and it works more like VisualAge, tbh
[18:50] <ananke> borland was a name of a company :)
[18:50] <nyRednek> ananke: and a product
[18:50] <Necos> borland died a painful death too...
[18:50] <ananke> nyRednek: there was never a 'borland borland' product
[18:50] Action: deco is too young to know all this stuff
[18:50] <nyRednek> ananke: but there was a borland builder
[18:50] <slackytude> meh, I remeber the borland stuff. wasnt too bad in the beginning
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[18:51] <nyRednek> ananke: with c/c++ ide and all happy bells and whistles
[18:51] <ananke> nyRednek: and a ton of other 'borland xyz' products
[18:51] <Necos> deco, google "borland c++"
[18:51] <slackytude> nyRednek, used VS as well?
[18:52] <nyRednek> slackytude: only microsoft c(dos)
[18:52] <deco> Necos: damn you guys are old :P
[18:52] <ananke> i'm just pointing out that geeks tend to be specific. we point out to people when they say 'adobe' and talk about 'adobe acrobat', 'novell' when they talk about 'novell netware', etc
[18:52] <Necos> ananke, exactly :P
[18:52] <nyRednek> slackytude: i remember their old makefile.mak's
[18:52] <ananke> if you want a 'borland builder'-like product, check out 'motor'
[18:53] <nyRednek> ananke: motor? is that on sbo?
[18:53] <ananke> not sure whether it's on sbo: http://freshmeat.net/projects/moto
[18:53] <ananke> not sure whether it's on sbo: http://freshmeat.net/projects/motor
[18:53] <nyRednek> ananke: i preferred the "turbo" ide's over the full builder ide
[18:53] <Necos> turbo was interesting
[18:54] <nyRednek> Necos: yeah, remember when turbo c first came out?(k&r + all those little dos calls)
[18:54] <Necos> when i was learning fortran (required for physics majors), i started learning to use emacs because i wanted a full IDE for FORTRAN / C / etc
[18:54] <slackytude> meh
[18:55] <slackytude> FORTRAN is pretty much still required for a phsysics major
[18:55] <ananke> on the subject of ides, do any of you know any products to manage revision control repos, such as subversion/git/etc? i'm looking for software that would allow my users manage permissions on their repositories
[18:55] <nyRednek> slackytude: true
[18:55] <slackytude> mainly because there is heaps and heaps of fortran stuff
[18:55] <Necos> lol yeah, it didn't make sense to me (i must have been ~14 or so when that came out)
[18:55] <ananke> slackytude: and computer engineering. heck, i had it in computer science major
[18:56] <slackytude> ananke, aye
[18:56] <nyRednek> ananke: yeah, i just watched eclipse install cvs and subversion personalities
[18:56] <nyRednek> ananke: also, emacs has versioning in it
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[18:57] <slackytude> ananke, there is svnadmin
[18:57] <Necos> slackytude, yep! and now that i'm close to finishing my degree, they're making me take C and advanced math to learn how to use shit like matlab and other CAS programs
[18:57] <Necos> *advanced math classes
[18:57] <ananke> nyRednek: i'm after repo administration rather than simply checking in/out code
[18:57] <nyRednek> Necos: if i were hip with writing makefiles from scratch(been a while since i thought of doing that)
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[18:58] <nyRednek> Necos: i'd be in emacs for all of it too
[18:58] <ananke> slackytude: yeah, and unfortunately it doesn't solve anything for us. i'd need to delegate permissions to various users
[18:58] <Necos> nyRednek, emacs is a great swiss army knife
[18:58] <nyRednek> Necos: i know
[18:58] <Necos> :)
[18:58] <ananke> surprisingly enough, there aren't many products for this. we haven't been able to find a decent replacement for what we currently use: gforge
[18:58] <nyRednek> Necos: i use emacs to configure my system, usually
[18:59] <slackytude> ananke, hrm. I guess some of them must have some web admin interface. but I couldnt name one
[18:59] <Necos> nyRednek awesome
[18:59] <Urchlay> hm, the build process & requirements for bitpim are pretty intensive. Anyone object to me repackaging the binary RPM in a slackbuild script and submitting to SBo?
[18:59] <Necos> ananke, there's a python-based one that i can't remember the name of offhand
[18:59] <slackytude> ananke, http://code.google.com/p/svn-web-admin/ ?
[18:59] <Necos> Urchlay, no one has figured out how to do it yet, so go for it :)
[19:00] <Necos> it uses PyGTK
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[19:00] <ananke> slackytude: hmm, looks interesting
[19:00] <slackytude> ananke, just found it. but a browse on freshmeat should yeild you something.
[19:01] <ananke> slackytude: yeah, i've tried that method, didn't get much. very surprising.
[19:01] <slackytude> ananke, if you use Git, there probably is a ton of them
[19:01] <Urchlay> Necos: probably won't mess with it until after I find the actual USB cable I need... not sure if it's proprietary or some kinda mini-USB standard connector (it's wedge-shaped)
[19:01] <ananke> and looks like this svn-web-admin looks fairly bare and hasn't seen an update in 18 months
[19:01] <ananke> slackytude: again, even bigger disappointment when it comes to git. couldn't find anything useful
[19:01] <Necos> it's probably an A-type connector Urchlay
[19:02] <slackytude> ananke, oh? that's suprising
[19:02] <ananke> hell, deploying git seems to be a pain in the neck, if you don't want to use system users. in fact #git folks recommend some wrapper
[19:02] <Necos> my coworker has an HTC Diamond and the cable looks all wierd, but in reality it's the same cable you'd normally use with a usb card reader
[19:03] <Urchlay> a-type connector would be the one you find on a printer, squared off and U-shaped? it's not that
[19:03] <Necos> oh, bleh, B-type, my bad :P
[19:03] <Necos> i always get 'em mixed up
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[19:03] <Urchlay> B connector is the regular one that plugs into a PC? it's smaller than that, and wedge-shaped
[19:04] <nyRednek> hmm...this program doesn't like updating pdf viewer from gimp to evince
[19:04] <twolf> there is several types of mini usb and even micro usb connectors
[19:04] <Necos> mini-B, there ya go
[19:04] <Urchlay> it's the same thing a razr phone uses (I know cause the battery charger plugs into the USB port, and the charger I bought works for the razr also)
[19:04] <slackytude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Connector_types
[19:04] <slackytude> ^^ pics
[19:04] <Urchlay> yeah, pics will help
[19:04] <slackytude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USB_types_2.jpg
[19:05] <Necos> yeah, the 2nd one from the left is mini-B type
[19:05] <Urchlay> it might be a "mini-B", sure looks like it
[19:05] <nyRednek> this thing has gone through the progress bar on the "updating system configuration" dialog 5 times already
[19:05] <Necos> lol nyRednek what are you updating?
[19:05] <deco> hmmm how do you add your own variables to .conkyrc ? i forgot -_-
[19:06] <slackytude> nyRednek, great fun, eh
[19:06] <slackytude> nyRednek, why not use Kdevelop?
[19:06] <Necos> i hate kdevelop >.>
[19:07] <slackytude> its not that bad for C
[19:07] <nyRednek> slackytude: not using kde...just dealing with kde's filename associations
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[19:07] <slackytude> well, there is codewarrior or dev-c
[19:08] <nyRednek> slackytude: you mean blooshed?
[19:08] <nyRednek> bloodshed*
[19:08] <slackytude> yeah
[19:08] <nyRednek> why the hell would kde make gimp a default pdf viewer?
[19:08] <nyRednek> i thought that was windoze only
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[19:09] <nooper> you thought gimp was windows only?
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[19:10] <Urchlay> hm. One reason the bitpim binary RPM probably won't package OK on slack 13: libpython2.5.so.1.0 => not found
[19:10] <Necos> lol nyRednek, you sure it's not in mimetypes?
[19:10] <Urchlay> (we have libpython2.6.so, but I bet it's not ABI-compatible with 2.5)
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[19:11] <Necos> you need to get it from the source Urchlay and setup.py
[19:11] <Urchlay> yeah
[19:13] <Urchlay> may not bother. My phone's not listed as supported (though quite a few motorola phones are, and they almost all say "identical to the blahblah")
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[19:14] <Urchlay> all I'd want to do with it would be to take pictures with the built-in camera and pull them off the phone without paying
[19:14] <Necos> Urchlay, actually, if you look it up and it says that it's a CDMA phone, then it probably works with bitpim even if not listed
[19:15] <nyRednek> nooper: no, i thought bloodshed dev c++ was windows online
[19:15] <Necos> that's how it was for my samsung u740 for a while
[19:15] <nyRednek> s/online/only
[19:15] <Urchlay> cool
[19:15] <deco> anyone know how to add variables to conkyrc ?
[19:15] <nyRednek> nooper: i was sure that it was nothing more than someone's wrapper for mingw32
[19:15] <nooper> oh
[19:16] <Urchlay> would be cooler if there were a FUSE driver, so the file just mounts as a regular filesystem (then use rsync or just cp to get the images off it)
[19:16] <Urchlay> er, so the phone mounts...
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[19:17] <Necos> CDMA phones typically have a very odd fs (i forget what it's called), and that's why bitpim works so well with them
[19:17] <Quiznos> hi
[19:17] <Necos> hi
[19:17] <nooper> hi
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[19:21] <veritos> What's the command to let other users see my xterm?
[19:21] <veritos> Not xterm, x display*
[19:22] <Quiznos> xhost?
[19:23] <velusip> "come over here, take a look at this?"
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[19:23] <slackytude|evil> sudo come over here
[19:23] <hiptobecubic> velusip, ssh+screen ?
[19:23] <hiptobecubic> veritos, ^
[19:24] <Urchlay> what, you want to let someone else view your entire X display? there's a VNC server called "x0rfb" that does that (normally, VNC doesn't work with your existing X session)
[19:24] <veritos> Quiznos, you're right
[19:24] <veritos> xhost is what i wanted
[19:24] <veritos> thanks
[19:25] <veritos> `xhost +localhost` specifically
[19:25] <Quiznos> yw
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[19:26] <Necos> wow, ask and you shall receive... djview can export to pdf
[19:26] <Necos> so now my problem is completely solved with mobipocket
[19:27] <Necos> it just takes it forever to export an 850 page textbook >.>
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[19:30] <nyRednek> i may have to expand my /tmp tmpfs to compile virtualbox
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[19:30] <Necos> lol
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[19:32] <nyRednek> not even sure why i'm installing virtualbox in the first place
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[19:33] <nachox> evening people
[19:33] <fire|bird> evening nachox, how are you?
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[19:34] <Necos> lol
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[19:35] <Necos> didn't FF just have a security fix issued?
[19:35] <nachox> i think so
[19:35] <nachox> pat released new packages 3 days ago
[19:36] <Quiznos> orly
[19:36] <Quiznos> anything decent?
[19:36] <Necos>  /
[19:36] <thrice`> 3.5.5 just came out today
[19:36] <nachox> but i've been stuck in a damn vpn for days so i was not able to visit while at work
[19:36] <Necos> speacking of which, i should probably slackpkg upgrade mozilla-firefox
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[19:37] <nyRednek> of course, i could always grab rhide
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[19:37] <mancha> 3.5.5 hadn't heard...
[19:38] <nyRednek> it was originally made for djgpp, now is released for linux(there's a src rpm that src2pkg loves to play with)
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[19:38] <Quiznos> ny!! you in 23rd district?
[19:38] <Necos> actually nyRednek... dfe95 was much better IMO
[19:38] <Necos> for djgpp
[19:39] <nyRednek> Quiznos: 23rd district?
[19:39] <nyRednek> Necos: i'm on linux
[19:39] <Quiznos> yesterday's election for scuzzy :)
[19:39] <nyRednek> Quiznos: i didn't pay THAT much attention...had to go to brooklyn to vote
[19:39] <Quiznos> ah ok
[19:39] <mancha> hrmm, must have been some 11th hour bug they found since 3.5.4 is not weeks old
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[19:40] <Necos> nyRednek, just saying i liked dfe95 more than rhide :P
[19:40] <nachox> any oracle dba around?
[19:41] <slackytude|evil> "Google has open sourced several of its key JavaScript application development tools, hoping that they will prove useful for external programmers to build faster Web applications.
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[19:41] <nyRednek> Necos: understood
[19:42] <nyRednek> nachox: if they're here, means they're off for the night
[19:42] <Quiznos> if not *
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[19:43] <nachox> hehe
[19:43] <Necos> dfe95 was so simple to configure, and it looked a lot like ultraedit without all the noise of buttons
[19:43] <Quiznos> if you're not gonna use that, can i have it? :)
[19:44] <Necos> [signoff.#kde(f15h)] (""Ubuntu", an african word meaning, "Gentoo is too hard for me"")
[19:44] <Necos> LOL
[19:44] <Quiznos> lol
[19:44] <Necos> that's wrong on so many levels lol
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[19:45] <lotec> Quiznos:  it did not work
[19:45] <Quiznos> k
[19:46] <lotec> i have to find some way to run a debug to see what is failing
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[19:46] <Quiznos> strace -o x cmd...
[19:46] <Quiznos> x is for strace to write to instead of stdout
[19:46] <Quiznos> a file
[19:46] <lotec> ok, ill rember that for tommorow.
[19:47] <lotec> i think it is something in the kernel version.  it is so old and missing so many packages.
[19:47] <Quiznos> such as?
[19:47] <lotec> our older slack boxes work fine.
[19:47] <lotec> well it is kernel 2.6.18-164 el5
[19:47] <nachox> lotec, what's wrong with your program?
[19:48] <Quiznos> a govt contract is in the way :)
[19:48] <Quiznos> heh
[19:48] <lotec> nachox.  trying to get a atheros card to run in AP mode
[19:48] <lotec> it starts up. says it is running.  but it is not broadcasting.
[19:48] <nachox> lotec, and? what's wrong? why do you think you need strace?
[19:48] <lotec> i just need some way to see what is going on
[19:48] <nachox> nothing that works in user space will help you there
[19:48] <lotec> i am getting no debug info
[19:49] <lotec> i am running madwifi trunk and current hostapd
[19:50] <nachox> sorry i cannot point to anything more constructive than what not to use
[19:50] <lotec> this is redhat by the way.  for a contract we have at work.  kernel is outdated
[19:50] <nachox> forget about gdb and strace
[19:50] <lotec> the biggest problem is the kernel i think.  2.6.18-164 el5 is what 3 years old now?
[19:51] <nachox> hmm, that's a redhat?
[19:51] <lotec> besides the updates redhat has added.  in our old slack box dont even need hostapd.  got a script that does it all
[19:51] <veritos> RHEL patches make the kernel a lot newer than the version actually says.
[19:51] <Quiznos> now tell him the good part
[19:51] <Quiznos> that you cant add pkgs and why
[19:51] <nachox> veritos, meaning what?
[19:51] <nachox> they only fix security issues
[19:52] <lotec> veritos. well actually it is updated to an extent to 2.6.23 but missing alot of newer packages in 2.6.23
[19:52] <Quiznos> by packages, he means module parts
[19:52] <lotec> it is a government contract.  we can not add pkg as they use redhat support.  if we do that we have to maintain a kernel for them
[19:52] <veritos> Not saying that it's a good idea.
[19:52] <lotec> missing libnl 1.1
[19:53] <veritos> Red Hat makes multilib hellish too.
[19:53] <lotec> that has been out since 2.6.37?
[19:53] <nachox> lotec, i also think it is a bad idea to replace the kernel
[19:53] <lotec> erm 27
[19:54] <Necos> does madwifi have to link against the current running kernel?
[19:54] <lotec> nachox, it is a bad idea i agree,  but getting a wifi card to run in ap on a pre .27 kernel is ruff.  expecially with Wep/wap/eap-tls support
[19:54] <slackytude|evil> probably, it needs to talk to the hardware
[19:54] <nachox> lotec, why the hell would you be running an ap with that? it is a bad idea to begin with
[19:54] <Necos> yeah, but if has the kernel source, he could build it on a machine with all the useful goodies
[19:55] <lotec> Necos: it seamed to insall fine today. no errors.  not saying there is not something wrong as there has to be.  but i have to find a way to run debug
[19:55] <Necos> *if he has
[19:55] <lotec> nachox, have to, in the contract.
[19:55] <Quiznos> lotec recompile src package with -g -ggdb -lSegFault added to CFLAGS
[19:55] <lotec> i tried to convence them to just buy a friggin AP and stick it in there
[19:55] <Necos> lotec, that's a very fun problem to solve :)
[19:56] <nachox> lotec, the contract says you have to use a linux with redhat as the ap? buy a damn cisco ap and be done with it
[19:56] <lotec> Necos: i have been beating my head on a wall for a month.  started by they wanted to use USB well that did not even come close to working
[19:56] <Quiznos> lotec check spelling of /lib/libSeg[fF]ault
[19:56] <lotec> nachox: my company competes with cisco
[19:56] <nachox> Quiznos, the problem is most likely the driver, nothing he can do in user space will do
[19:56] <Quiznos> k
[19:56] <Necos> lotec, now THAT is interesting... you guys are a networking company?
[19:57] <nachox> lotec, err... i meant 3com :P
[19:57] <lotec> yeppers
[19:57] <slackytude|evil> lol?
[19:57] <lotec> not 3com
[19:57] <lotec> company out of Tampa, FL
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[19:58] <Necos> you probably would have been better off patching source to do what you want, then rebuilding the kernel
[19:58] <nachox> lotec, what about using a newer release of red hat?
[19:58] <lotec> so anyways.  trying to solve this problem,  running hostapd -dd hostapd.conf starts the interface but no broadcast
[19:59] <lotec> nachox el5 is the newest RedHat
[19:59] <Necos> as with everything gov related, they have the versions locked
[19:59] <nachox> lotec, and it runs with that old kernel? i think there is a 5.2 these days that uses something newer, isnt it?
[19:59] <lotec> at least the newest we can use.  i am sure when Redhat decides to release el6 it will be fine but jebus
[20:00] <Quiznos> lotec `broadcast' is a sbin/ifconfig flag, did you chk that?
[20:00] <lotec> nachox; the kernel is patched.  up to about 2.6.23 but missing alot
[20:00] <Quiznos> i thnk
[20:00] <lotec> Quiznos: hostapd is what starts that in this case.
[20:00] <nachox> ah, lovely
[20:01] <Quiznos> yea but ifconfig might be able to nudge card
[20:01] <lotec> i'm really stuck, so i have been bugging Quiznos for a few days. just trying to get other ideas
[20:01] <Quiznos> just since yesterday
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[20:01] <lotec> Quiznos. i actually tried to just get it running in AP mode with iwconfig.  same problem
[20:01] <Quiznos> k
[20:01] <lotec> it has to be missing something.
[20:01] <nachox> the broadcast in ifconfig is the broadcast address
[20:02] <Quiznos> k
[20:02] <Quiznos> ok afk; flash forward on. back in 1h
[20:02] <lotec> it is not sitting a few commands that it should. that is what i need to figure out
[20:02] <Quiznos> i'd recompile src with those flags
[20:03] <Quiznos> also chk if src uses syslog
[20:03] <lotec> Quiznos: ill give that a try
[20:03] <Quiznos> k
[20:03] <Quiznos> syslogd ()'s are easy to add if you have to
[20:03] <lotec> well giving the -dd on hostapd is suposed to give some debug info.  but i dont get anything
[20:04] <Quiznos> use a local[0-7] to direct kernel msgs; mung etc/syslog.conf to point the local at a separate/new file
[20:04] <Quiznos> killall -1 syslogd
[20:04] <Quiznos> to restart
[20:04] <lotec> as i was thinking,  i really think is is the kernel.  as it is a kind of bastern with the way RedHat has put it together
[20:04] <Quiznos> ok afk.
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[20:08] <hiptobecubic> Is it legit to tell lilo.conf to use /dev/disk/by-label/<volumelabel>  as root? it's failing in qemu
[20:08] <nachox> lotec, just to make sure its that compile your own kernel, delete it after you're done testing
[20:08] <lotec> nachox: i have done that 4 times.  works everytime i roll my own kernel
[20:08] <lotec> heck i got usb ap's to work that way.
[20:09] <nachox> then there is nothing else to test lotec
[20:09] <lotec> if i could do that, it would be easy :D
[20:09] <lotec> nachox: that is not an answer, it has to work one way or the other
[20:10] <nachox> lotec, yes, it is, you'll need to mantain your own kernel till redhat updates it's own and fixes your bug
[20:10] <lotec> i would roll back to a Prism2 mini-pci card if they had support for wep/wap eap-tls but it is not
[20:10] <nachox> if you have a contract with them, tell them what you've found out
[20:10] <lotec> naxhox: i have tried that route.  and i was told to find another route.
[20:11] <lotec> i even said, hey lets just put a damn wifi router in it.
[20:11] <lotec> that will not work for the security testing we have to pass, as it add a new OS to the bundle
[20:11] <lotec> i jsut really do not know what else to do
[20:12] <jar_corefile> lotec: joining the convo late, sorry if this was already said, but I've gotten prism2 pcmcia cards working with wep/wpa eap-tls just fine
[20:12] <nachox> lotec, your only option is to make it work with redhat without modifying the kernel?
[20:12] <lotec> yea pcmcia will not work,
[20:12] <lotec> has to be mini-pci based
[20:12] <jar_corefile> lotec: ah, ok ... sorry
[20:13] <nachox> usb?
[20:13] <lotec> nachox: well i am working with Redhat to attempt to get some stuff added, but they are in no hurry over a month no progress on the bug/ticket
[20:13] <lotec> nachox: tried usb, kernel is to old
[20:14] <lotec> on a 2.6.27 kernel usb works fine plug and play start hostapd.
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[20:14] <nachox> lotec, ok, do you have a support contract with redhat? ask them what hardware they recommend for that case, look for success cases in google
[20:15] <lotec> the thing with USB is the prismusb module was not released until 2.6.27 or you have to use compact wireless witch only goes back to 2.6.22 and unable to get it to install without newer libnl files and many others
[20:15] <nachox> ah, lovely
[20:16] <lotec> naxhox: i did search google for use cases.  one pointed to zyxel g-202 witch i tried.  and actually starts up.  but just as the atheros mini-pci will not broadcast.
[20:17] <lotec> http://www.zyxel.com/web/product_family_detail.php?PC1indexflag=20040520161256&CategoryGroupNo=67F17733-1AD6-4EB6-BCA2-11B4CDDBC1E2
[20:17] <lotec> that card
[20:18] <lotec> even said it worked in 2.6.18,  but the kernel Redhat uses has so many differnet modules/changes
[20:18] <lotec> been patched so many times, some things are updated to 2.6.23 some are only up to 2.6.18 just depends
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[20:19] <nachox> uncool
[20:19] <nachox> what is your deadline?
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[20:19] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[20:19] <fire|bird> greetings andarius, how are you?
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[20:19] <andarius> salutations fire|bird, i am well. you ?
[20:19] <lotec> heheeh not much left,
[20:19] <fire|bird> andarius: I am great, thank you. :)
[20:19] <fire|bird> andarius: You were really quick that time. :P
[20:20] <nachox> lotec, ok, what are the consequences if this doesnt work
[20:20] <lotec> zyxel by the way offered tech support.   this was a good one,  i called the guy told him what was going on,  he called me back say an hour later.  said i got it running in Ubuntu :D
[20:20] <andarius> well, i manualy set up irssi each time i open it. i fire it up, log in, join here, join another, split the window, then greet
[20:20] <lotec> nachox: we loose the contract
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[20:20] <andarius> figured if some one wanted to try a speed thing on me i would greet here then do the rest :P
[20:20] <nachox> lotec, hahah, poor zyxel...
[20:21] <fire|bird> andarius: lol
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[20:21] <Necos> hmmm, it looks like the updates for FF were mainly crash-related
[20:21] <lotec> nachox: if i had someone to even get this fixed i would turn to them, just dont have any place to ask really.
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[20:22] <nachox> lotec, how well connected is your company?
[20:22] <lotec> pretty good
[20:22] <nachox> with either red hat or zyxel
[20:22] <lotec> we just dont know anyone to deal with wifi, beside marvel.  Yuck
[20:23] <lotec> i have contacted red hat, i have a point of contact there.  same with zyxel but i think zyxel support is very limited
[20:23] <lotec> actually marvel is my next turn,  see what they can offer, they have a few cards that support what we need, but jesus there hard to work with.  we are using them for out T1 cards/drivers along with a few other things
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[20:29] <nachox> lotec, some contracts specify how the company providing the software should fix issues and in what timeframe, is this the case? they are damn expensive, but sometimes they are worth it
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[20:31] <jescis> how do I restore lilo to mbr?
[20:31] <nachox> boot your slackware with a livecd and run lilo?
[20:32] <andarius> by properly configuring it (which it should be fine if it was there already) and running "lilo"
[20:32] <andarius>  + what he said :)
[20:33] <lotec> naxhox: actually looks like the problem is solved
[20:33] <hiptobecubic> i'm trying to boot a usb stick with lilo but i need a persistent way to find root. i tried using /dev/disk/blahblah but (qemu) is erroring and saying that they don't exist
[20:34] <jescis> I booted my slack partition through the cd I have by doing "boot: hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda1 rdinit= ro"
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[20:34] <nachox> lotec, what was it?
[20:35] <lotec> pulled some rpm's from a page instead of building
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[20:37] <Necos> jescis, so you're halfway there
[20:37] <nachox> hehe, do never bulid if you have rpm packages
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[20:38] <jescis> nachox, lilo -M /dev/XXX was the answer ;-)
[20:38] Action: Dominian just added a Stats module to slackwaregallery.org 
[20:38] <deco> Dominian: \o/!
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[20:38] <Dominian> Should give us an idea of how much the site gets used
[20:38] Action: nachox looks at Dominian 
[20:39] <Dominian> nachox: I'm debating closing the site
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[20:39] <Dominian> :)
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[20:39] <Dominian> nachox: I needed a much more "accurate" way of tracking usage
[20:40] <nachox> Dominian, add it as a subdomain for noobfarm?
[20:40] <Dominian> nachox: Why?
[20:40] <Dominian> Site still doesn't get used :P
[20:40] <Dominian> but I guess I could do that
[20:40] <nachox> itll save some bucks of domain reg
[20:40] <Dominian> ha 8.99 only
[20:40] <Dominian> I'll probably hold on to it, but we'll see..
[20:41] <hiptobecubic> hm
[20:41] <Necos> Dominian, why close the site?
[20:41] <Dominian> I'll more than likely hang on to it.. took me too long to "clean" up the gallery/DB to give up now
[20:41] <nachox> Dominian, hehe
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[20:41] <Dominian> Necos: Well, at first it was because of all the comment spam and junk that was in the DB.. I've worked for .. a year or so to get that all straightened out... looks like I finally got it.
[20:41] <hiptobecubic> I've installed lilo on a usb stick with a and ap installed and it ALMOST boots. It gets near the end (after mounting vfs etc) and then restarts
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[20:43] <Necos> then that's all the reason to keep the site Dominian
[20:43] <Necos> :P
[20:43] <Dominian> haha
[20:43] <Quiznos> just ssw a google commecial on tv
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[20:43] <Dominian> the verizon one?
[20:43] <Quiznos> duno
[20:43] Action: Dominian SO wants an android phone
[20:43] <Quiznos> noname
[20:43] <hiptobecubic> Yeah that would be nice
[20:44] <Dominian> Quiznos: Verizon and Google are teaming up.. they release two new android phones to the market tomorrow
[20:44] <fire|bird> Quiznos: probably the one for the Droid
[20:44] <Necos> and anyways, you know we could always abuse your site for pastebin / omploader usgae :)
[20:44] <Quiznos> kk
[20:44] <Necos> *usage
[20:44] <Dominian> Necos: hehe
[20:44] <Dominian> I've debated putting an imgbin
[20:44] <Quiznos> Dominian do you have space for hosting?
[20:44] <Dominian> Quiznos: what do mean?
[20:44] <Necos> you should! so we can whore out our desktop screenshots
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[20:44] <fire|bird> Dominian: in a couple weeks, a new commercial will be out where droid phones are being deployed via missiles from fighter yets. :P
[20:44] <Dominian> Necos: You can do that on Slackware Gallery :)
[20:44] <fire|bird> heya MLanden
[20:44] <hiptobecubic> I hate the phone market here in the US
[20:45] <Dominian> fire|bird: already out
[20:45] <MLanden> heya,folks....whuzzup?
[20:45] <hiptobecubic> Where phones are locked to providers
[20:45] <Quiznos> fire|bird that's what i just saw
[20:45] <Necos> i know, but we can't pastebin yet :P
[20:45] <Dominian> fire|bird: it features stealth bombers dropping "bombs"
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[20:45] <Quiznos> MLanden
[20:45] <MLanden> heya, fire|bird
[20:45] <MLanden> Quiznos
[20:45] <Dominian> Necos: Well, what do you mean you can't pastebin yet?
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[20:45] <fire|bird> Dominian: Ah, I had just read today it wasn't being released for a couple weeks. :P
[20:45] <fire|bird> Quiznos: ok, then that was for the Droid phone.
[20:45] <Dominian> fire|bird: its a sweet commercial
[20:45] <fire|bird> Dominian: yeah, it sure is.
[20:45] <Dominian> Plus...
[20:45] <Dominian> one reason *I* want it..
[20:45] <Dominian> the phone will support google voice :D
[20:45] <Quiznos> Dominian i'd like to find a non-isp place to put html and files
[20:46] <Quiznos> fire|bird k
[20:46] <fire|bird> Dominian: sweet
[20:46] <Dominian> Quiznos: Well, I don't really do hosting for sites anymore.. gave that up.. the few I do have have been on there for quite a while.
[20:46] <Necos> you don't have a pastebin module :P
[20:46] <Quiznos> hiptobecubic you can buy a phone without contract for service
[20:46] <Quiznos> Dominian k
[20:46] <Dominian> Necos: for what?
[20:47] <Necos> so we still have to go to <insert pastebin here>
[20:47] <Dominian> Necos: ummm..
[20:47] <Dominian> Necos: pastebin.slackadelic.com
[20:47] <Quiznos> pastebin.com|ca are perfect
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[20:47] <Dominian> modeled after rafb.net/paste
[20:47] <Quiznos> i dont like sites that dont list the latest pastes
[20:47] <Dominian> in fact, its rafb.net's code
[20:47] <Necos> but that's not linked on the gallery site
[20:47] <Dominian> Necos: true
[20:47] <Dominian> I need to get a pastebin script for irssi written...
[20:48] <nyRednek> quick way to get mysql up?
[20:48] <Dominian> nyRednek: read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld :)
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[20:48] <Necos> mysql_initailize_db?
[20:48] <MLanden> talkin' 'bout phone service, cricket any good? seen their name mentioned with non contact services
[20:48] <BP{k}> nyRednek: head -25 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld
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[20:48] <Dominian> MLanden: I know a few that use cricket.. said they are ok
[20:49] <MLanden> Dominian: ok
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[20:50] <Dominian> Necos: pastebin is linked on slackawregallery now :P
[20:50] <Necos> yay
[20:51] <hiptobecubic> Quiznos, but you can't use it on other networks
[20:51] <Quiznos> k
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[20:53] <Necos> lol wtf straterra's pic is hilarious
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[20:53] <Dominian> he has a fwe in there
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[20:55] <Necos> robw810 needed some more tailoring on his suit jacket... he looks like a midget with those long sleeves
[20:55] <Dominian> haha
[20:55] <Necos> :)
[20:56] <Necos> and one thing i noticed... the people section is strangely devoid of dark skinned folks...
[20:56] <fire|bird> Necos: So, now's your chance to shine. :P
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[20:57] <Necos> or be abused for being the only one brave to post a pic :)
[20:57] <fire|bird> lol
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[20:58] <Necos> :)
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[20:59] <Necos> i need to do something productive on my box... aside from actual work >.>
[21:00] <Necos> like play puyo puyo
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[21:01] <Necos> lol pwned
[21:01] <MLanden> true,with broom and dustbin even....:P
[21:02] <nachox> lovely, root aint powerful in here anymore
[21:03] <Necos> hmmmm, are there any psx emus for linux these days? >.>
[21:03] <Necos> i'm craving final fantasy tactics gameage
[21:04] <hiptobecubic> epsxe i think?
[21:07] <Necos> indeed you are correct :)
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[21:09] <jeev> ic ant believe half the population in america calls obama a terrorist
[21:09] <jeev> it just baffles me
[21:09] <deco> .....
[21:09] <straterra> Half the population doesnt
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[21:10] <nyRednek> ok, i think lamp is up
[21:10] <nyRednek> but i doubt it is available outside my system
[21:11] <deco> nyRednek: didn't port forward 80 ?
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[21:11] <nyRednek> deco: i'm on roadruner
[21:11] <Necos> i like what wanda sykes said about obama in her stand-up...
[21:11] <deco> nyRednek: oh hmmm i have at&t i just login to my router and port forward it
[21:11] <nyRednek> and apparently, even though i ran rc.httpd start, port 80 on loopback isn't working
[21:11] <deco> nyRednek: roadrunner doesn't let you ?
[21:12] <Necos> RR does let you, but i'd suggest moving it to 8080
[21:12] <Necos> otherwise you'll get bombarded by zombies
[21:12] <nyRednek> i'm just planning on using it for personal testing
[21:12] <Necos> what does your httpd.conf look like?
[21:13] <Necos> you can just set Listen 127.0.0.1:80
[21:13] <nyRednek> Necos: the default, but i'm behind two routers
[21:13] <nyRednek> i got it working
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[21:13] <Necos> :P
[21:14] <nyRednek> if i want something published, i'll package a virtual machine configured the way i want it and put it on a vmhost
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[21:15] <nyRednek> it won't have stupid crap like X installed on it, either
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[21:16] <nyRednek> btw, the vmhosts are cheaper than a colo these das
[21:16] <nyRednek> days
[21:16] <Necos> yep
[21:16] <nyRednek> Necos: not sure if they take virtualbox vdi's though
[21:16] <nyRednek> i know virtualbox has a web vm console now
[21:18] <Dominian> it does?
[21:18] Action: Dominian checks
[21:18] <nyRednek> Dominian: www.virtualbox.org
[21:18] <nyRednek> it's a side project
[21:18] <Urchlay> uh, yeah, Dominian would never have guessed that the virtualbox site was www.virtualox.org...
[21:19] <nyRednek> Urchlay: bite me
[21:19] <Dominian> nyRednek: I don't see a "web vm" anywhere in the changelog
[21:19] <Urchlay> no thanks, don't know where you've been
[21:19] <nyRednek> Dominian: it's a side project, not part of the source you download
[21:20] <andarius> Dominian: http://code.google.com/p/vboxweb/
[21:20] <Dominian> Well, screw that
[21:20] <Dominian> ;)
[21:20] <Dominian> hrm
[21:20] <Dominian> That's interesting to say the least
[21:21] <Dominian> not sure how much use it would be to me.. but it is interesting
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[21:21] <nyRednek> Dominian: would allow you to reboot/otherwise admin a broken install
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[21:21] <andarius> the most interesting things are often also the most useless :)
[21:21] <Dominian> nyRednek: of what?
[21:22] <Dominian> nyRednek: it just gives you a web interface just like the normal virtualbox console does.
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[21:22] <Dominian> I guess If I wanted to mess with my virtual machines remotely without having to ssh tunnel a vnc connection or somethin git'd be nice
[21:22] <Dominian> but if I was doing true VM hosting.. I'd be using XenServer hehe
[21:23] <Necos> interesting web console
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[21:24] <Necos> downloaded epsxe and i can't find my cd images :(
[21:25] <Dominian> heh
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[21:26] <nyRednek> Dominian: i think some are...but would that work worth a damn when the customers want to use multiple distros and possibly other non-linux os's?
[21:27] <Dominian> nyRednek: umm...
[21:27] <nyRednek> Dominian: imho, mvs/esa is still the best virtualization system
[21:27] <Dominian> xenserver is a hypervisor
[21:27] <Dominian> it would work fine for just about everything I would think
[21:27] <nyRednek> Dominian: i thought it was tied to kernel, requiring the clients to use same kernel
[21:28] <Dominian> umm no
[21:28] <nyRednek> Dominian: i didn't say i had all my info right
[21:28] <Dominian> The VM I'm on now is xenserver.. due to the way its configured I can boot any kernel I chose.
[21:28] <Dominian> however, linode does their boot manager differently
[21:28] <Dominian> So with them its easier to use the kernels they provide
[21:29] <nyRednek> Dominian: but, regardless of it...i'd much prefer to use mvs/esa if given the choice
[21:30] <nyRednek> does xen allow you to emulate other processors?
[21:31] <Dominian> dunno
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[21:34] <nyRednek> Dominian: that'd be the lynch pin for me, were i running a vm server
[21:34] <Dominian> WEll, everything we run is either x86 or x86_64
[21:34] <Dominian> so it works fine for us
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[21:34] <Dominian> you are't going to find many people asking for...arm
[21:36] <nyRednek> Dominian: but you will get the occasional sparc enthusiast
[21:36] <Dominian> possibly
[21:36] <Dominian> but I work for a IT FIrm..
[21:36] <Dominian> and I have yet to see anyone doing "Sparc" VMs
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[21:37] <straterra> jeev: Dude..did you know your mom was on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLSnZjLPor8
[21:37] <nyRednek> Dominian: i didn't say one would necessarily see it, but i would want to remain open to the possibility
[21:37] <Dominian> nyRednek: well I'd say that's 'reaching' a bit..
[21:37] <Dominian> I have n ever seen a VM host provider even provide sparc images
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[21:40] <Necos> it'd be a niche market anyway
[21:41] <nyRednek> Necos: agreed
[21:42] <nyRednek> here's what's bad...i look almost like the drummer here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k-vPv-XEpg
[21:44] <Necos> >.> too bad i cant watch youtube here lol
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[21:45] <nyRednek> Necos: it's an old rammstein song...kein lust
[21:45] <Necos> lol
[21:46] <nyRednek> Necos: something tells me you've seen the video
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[21:47] <antiwire> 46 and 2
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[21:48] <Necos> i remember the video vaguely
[21:48] <antiwire> indeed
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[21:49] <deco> http://omploader.org/vMnBnNg \o/!!!
[21:49] <antiwire> unacceptable behavior ^
[21:49] <Necos> flux?
[21:50] <deco> antiwire: spank me then
[21:50] <antiwire> lol
[21:50] <deco> Necos: openbox
[21:50] <Necos> what them is that?
[21:50] <Necos> *theme
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[21:50] <deco> Necos: Onyx-Citrus , it's one of the default ones
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[21:51] <Necos> i just opened obconf and saw that :P
[21:51] <deco> Necos: yeah :P
[21:51] <Necos> i don't like how it makes the windows look tho
[21:52] <deco> Necos: the pitch black borders ?
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[21:53] <Necos> no, the orange with the black when it's selected (like in your SS)
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[21:53] <Necos> some apps have really crappy color schemes
[21:53] <deco> Necos: oh that's my fav part :P
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[21:53] <fire|bird> Necos: you don't like it's halloween-esque color scheme? :P
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[21:54] <deco> lol
[21:54] <Necos> lol
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[21:55] <deco> i love my horizontal conky
[21:55] <Necos> too small for my liking
[21:56] <deco> you like em big eh ?
[21:56] <fire|bird> that's what she said
[21:56] <deco> lol
[21:56] <lotec> anyone have gnome running on slack?
[21:56] <deco> lotec: .....
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[21:56] <lotec> deco: just asking is all
[21:56] <Necos> lol fire|bird
[21:56] <lotec> i was just looking at dropline and the other one gmg i think
[21:56] <Necos> gargnome?
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[21:57] <Dominian> gsb
[21:57] <Necos> dropline is very nice last i tried
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[21:57] <antiwire> I just like giving the gnomers a hard time
[21:57] <antiwire> it's all good though
[21:58] <Necos> you know what i really hate? when websites mess up my gtk theme with FF
[21:58] <lotec> yes gsb, but i cant find the old pkg for 12.2 have to update to 13 to use gsb
[21:58] <antiwire> you know that I hate? scary kids scaring kids!!!
[21:59] <Necos> i used to have this sick setup with my openbox theme and gtk theme, and websites would have retarded font colors or whatnot that'd screw it all up
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[21:59] <fire|bird> antiwire: for crying out loud, deco is in the room, at least wait until he leaves to talk about him. sheesh.
[21:59] <antiwire> lol
[21:59] <Necos> teachers would come in to ask for stuff and just go "wow, that's really nice!" and then go to a website on my computer and everything would be all wacked out
[21:59] Action: deco is not a kid
[21:59] <Necos> lol fire|bird
[21:59] Action: antiwire spanks deco
[21:59] Action: deco enjoys it
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[22:00] <philh> Necos, how can a website screw up your gtk theme?
[22:00] <antiwire> a little walloping does the body good
[22:00] <lotec> i installed the dropline installer missing alot of packages so it would not install
[22:01] <antiwire> who else is waiting intently for either 2.6.31.6 or 2.6.32?
[22:01] <Necos> if you have a dark theme and the website has dark colors, it just doesn't become very user friendly
[22:01] Action: thrice` is on 2.6.32
[22:01] <antiwire> !
[22:01] <antiwire> you damn rc'er you
[22:01] <lotec> anitawire: you can install yourself :D
[22:01] <philh> Necos, because you can't see the scrollbars properly or some other reason?
[22:01] <thrice`> :)
[22:01] <fire|bird> anitawire?
[22:01] <fire|bird> :P
[22:01] <Necos> philh, yep
[22:01] <nyRednek> philh: that's part of it
[22:01] <philh> who uses scrollbars?
[22:01] <antiwire> lotec: I do build my own...but thrice` is running the redline with an rc
[22:02] Action: deco is on 2.6.29.6
[22:02] <Necos> but also, menus (right-click, for example), don't show properly
[22:02] <thrice`> rc6, it's well enough :>
[22:02] <lotec> redline? dont know what that is
[22:02] <antiwire> thrice`: haha
[22:02] <antiwire> anitawire is my future wife's name
[22:03] <antiwire> duh
[22:03] <philh> i used the audacious-default gtk theme for a while, i didn't really notice any issues, maybe i don't visit dark enough websites on a regular basis
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[22:03] <fire|bird> antiwire: Ah, planning ahead then, eh? :)
[22:03] <antiwire> lol
[22:03] <Necos> philh, educational software vendors are known for having really wierd site layouts
[22:04] <fire|bird> If that's a criteria for a wife, she'll be hard to find and one in a million.
[22:04] <lotec> antiwire: can you explain redline?
[22:04] <Necos> i think he means dropline lol
[22:04] <antiwire> lotec: redline...as in taching out, hitting the redline...on the edge
[22:04] <antiwire> aka: running an RC release
[22:04] <antiwire> and now that I explained the joke, let it rest in peace....
[22:05] <mfillpot> wow there is a lot of chatter
[22:05] <fire|bird> greetings mfillpot
[22:05] <mfillpot> fire|bird: yo
[22:05] <Necos> oh bleh antiwire :P
[22:05] <thrice`> 2.6.32 offers really nice scheduler stuff, so I updated before ripping a DVD last night
[22:05] <lotec> i new what redline ment, but i was looking at it a different way,  as in someone named redline was building specific kernels
[22:05] <Necos> lol
[22:06] <philh> Necos, i still can't see much of a problem with it, but then i don't right click often or use scrollbars, i guess what you need is a dark theme with well defined menu borders and scrollbar padding
[22:06] <thrice`> http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=185
[22:06] <antiwire> thrice`: I'm waiting for the wireless changes in 2.6.32
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[22:06] <jescis> what do I do when "lilo -M /dev/hda1 mbr" gives me this "Fatal: /dev/hda1 is not a master device with a primary partition"?
[22:07] <antiwire> don't feed it a partition number
[22:07] <Necos> philh, which i don't always have time to seek out... so i just went back to cillops (gtk) with artwiz-boxed (openbox)
[22:07] <Necos> lilo -M /dev/hda
[22:07] <alisonken1home> jescis: try "lilo -M /dev/hda mbr"
[22:08] <Necos> errr, yeah
[22:08] <Necos> hmmm, snes9x or zsnes...
[22:08] <jescis> Sorry, didn't realize the number wasn't needed X-)
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[22:11] <jescis> I also used the -A option and I get a bootup error that I have to write down, because I forget what it said :-P
[22:12] <alisonken1home> the number is needed if you're NOT using mbr
[22:12] <Necos> what's -M do again (i hardly ever use it)
[22:12] <Urchlay> Necos: snes9x-gtk, if you like having a gui
[22:13] <Necos> oh write MBR
[22:13] <lotec> libpisync anyone know what pkg that is in?
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[22:13] <antiwire> jescis: write down the error and show us
[22:13] <Quiznos> milfpot!!!
[22:13] <Urchlay> snes9x or snes9x-gtk if you aren't on 32-bit x86 (zsnes IIRC uses x86 asm and can't be built for 64-bit)
[22:13] <Dominian> lotec: pilot-link
[22:13] <Necos> hmmmm,if you already have lilo.conf set to use the mbr, what do you need -M for?
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[22:14] <Necos> i'm on 32-bit, so either would work really
[22:14] <Necos> maybe i'll just build both and play with 'em (zsnes was superfast back in the days)
[22:14] <jescis> Necos, I installed Windows and needed to repair it
[22:14] <lotec> Dominian, know what that is under on the cd?
[22:14] <lotec> a/ d?
[22:15] <Dominian> lotec: ummmm
[22:15] <thrice`> probably l/
[22:15] <Dominian> you would ask
[22:15] <lotec> cant seam to find it.
[22:15] <lotec> :D
[22:15] <Dominian> lotec: i always check packages.slackware.it
[22:15] <Dominian> :)
[22:15] <Necos> ah, you didn't install windows first?
[22:15] <lotec> ok
[22:15] <Dominian> oh damn!
[22:15] <Dominian> its down for a rebuild!
[22:15] <Dominian> lame
[22:15] <lotec> super
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[22:16] <thrice`> check l/ !!
[22:16] <jescis> Necos, nope, I've had the partitionsx set and slack already installed
[22:16] <Dominian> yeah what thrice` said
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[22:16] <Dominian> yeah its in l/
[22:16] <thrice`> a/ is for core stuff, d/ is for development stuff
[22:17] <thrice`>  l/ is for supporting libraries, and crap that doesn't fit elsewhere
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[22:17] <Dominian> yeah thrice` is in l/
[22:17] <Dominian> cause he's crap that doesn't fit anywhere else
[22:17] Action: Dominian runs
[22:17] <Necos> hehehe
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[22:17] <thrice`> :)
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[22:22] <lotec> Dominian: sure it is pilot-link i need for that, as i get the same error
[22:22] <Dominian> a grep of my package contents shows it int here..
[22:22] <Dominian> /var/log/packages/pilot-link-0.12.3-x86_64-10:usr/lib64/libpisync.so.1.0.3
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[22:26] <jescis> antiwire, "No boot signature in partition" is the error on boot up
[22:28] <jescis> So, how do I fix the boot signiture issue?
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[22:29] <Stx> is it set bootable with fdisk?
[22:30] <lotec> have a good night all,  /me sleep
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[22:30] <fire|bird> thrice`: You have seamonkey 2 installed? Could you tell me what your /usr/include/seamonkey and/or /usr/include/seamonkey-2.0 dirs have?
[22:31] <jescis> Stx, I usually use cfdisk, and it says boot in the propper feild in that app.
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[22:31] <Necos> did you get it to compile fire|bird?
[22:32] <Urchlay> "no boot signature in partition" sounds like the partition is marked bootable (in the MBR), but has no bootloader installed on it
[22:32] <thrice`> fire|bird, sorry, removed shortly after installing :(
[22:32] <fire|bird> thrice`: ok, thanks.
[22:32] <jescis> Urchlay, what then, do I do?
[22:32] <Stx> jescis: Did you install lilo or something?
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[22:33] <Urchlay> jescis: I don't even know what you're trying to do... if it's dual boot, I'm about 10 years out of date (it's been that long) so maybe someone else should step in...
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[22:34] <jescis> Stx, I installed windows now I need the mbr to have lilo installed, I even deleted the windows boot partition.
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[22:35] <jescis> So, I don't have it technically
[22:35] <Urchlay> ok, so it's not dual boot, it's a former windows or dual system that's now going to be a single-boot linux system?
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[22:35] <jescis> for a bit
[22:35] <Stx> running "lilo" as root should return without error if its setup properly.
[22:35] Action: jescis can't afford windows 7 as of right now -_-
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[22:36] <Stx> Even if you did - would you actually buy it?
[22:36] <Stx> :)
[22:36] <Urchlay> ok, so in /etc/lilo.conf, you want "boot = /dev/sda" or whichever drive you need. Note the absence of a partition number: /dev/sda tells lilo to install to the MBR of the drive (not to the boot sector of any partition)
[22:37] <jescis> for the cheepest price possible >.>
[22:37] <jescis> even a new copy from ebay would be good imo
[22:38] <Stx> which, imho still would be expensive - since they are a bunch of greedy bastards (:.
[22:38] <imr4N> hello all ..
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[22:38] <Necos> oh shit... i found my terranigma rom :)
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[22:40] <jescis> Stx, at least the money wont be going to microshaft ;)
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[22:41] <Stx> hehe
[22:42] <Stx> So you can actually buy a copy, use it for a while and then sell the license to someone else?
[22:42] <Stx> I didnt think their policy accepted that.
[22:42] <Urchlay> not sure the law will allow them to have a policy like that
[22:42] <Stx> (They probably dont either, unless youre a retailer).
[22:43] <Dominian> HE'S ALIVE!
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[22:43] <Stx> "By using this product you agree to our Policy which states that this product is personal and therefore might not be sold, given or copied or modified in any way"
[22:43] <Stx> probably something like that :P
[22:43] <Urchlay> who is? the guy you made from body parts you dug out of the graveyard last week?
[22:43] <Dominian> Urchlay: no.. Stx
[22:43] <Dominian> :)
[22:43] <stygian> thats frankenstein
[22:44] <stygian> styx?
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[22:44] <Stx> Hi Dom :)
[22:44] <Dominian> No.. it wasn't a typo.
[22:44] <Dominian> Stx: hehe
[22:44] <Dominian> Stx: how's it going?
[22:44] <Urchlay> Stx: yeah, I can write "By using this product, you agree to our policy that your first-born child shall become the personal slave of Bill Gates", but that doesn't make slavery legal
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[22:44] <Dominian> Urchlay: No, but would make for an interesting EULA
[22:45] <MLanden> indeed
[22:45] <Urchlay> Dominian: it would definitely make it obvious who reads it and who just clicks through...
[22:45] <Dominian> yep
[22:46] <jescis> Stx, I meant unopened "New" not used in anyway :-)
[22:47] <Urchlay> jescis: with possible minor damage to the shrinkwrap, where it fell off a truck and hit the road?
[22:47] <jescis> Urchlay, that would be the exception :-)
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[22:52] <Stx> Dominian: Im still alive and kickin' thank you very much! Its 04:51 so I should probably be in bed sleeping but im not tired! Kinda bothers me :P How are you doing?
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[22:53] <nyRednek> if anyone cares, found an ide i like, for the moment
[22:53] <Dominian> Stx: eh.. same ole same ole.. busy at work.. busy at home... busy with 'node stuff :)
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[22:53] <nyRednek> time to remove eclipse and codeblocks
[22:54] <MLanden> nyRednek: which ide?
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[22:55] <drdo> Hello
[22:55] <deco> this is much better http://omploader.org/vMnBnaw
[22:55] <Stx> Dominian: hehe, yeah, well - isnt life great :)
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[22:55] <drdo> Which package has libpciaccess?
[22:55] <jescis> Who needs an ide when you have ed? ;)
[22:55] <nyRednek> geany
[22:55] <Dominian> Stx: yes hehe
[22:56] <drdo> Anyone care to give me a hand? :P
[22:57] <drdo> X won't start without it
[22:57] <Necos> well, i'm gonna go home, laters folks
[22:57] <deco> Necos: see ya
[22:57] <MLanden> cool,nyRednek
[22:58] Action: jescis claps hands
[22:58] Action: jescis gives drdo a hand
[22:58] <deco> nyRednek: http://omploader.org/vMnBnaw
[22:58] <drdo> hmm, my mirror might be incomplete
[22:59] <nyRednek> MLanden: it's simple, it works...not so sure how well it'll do when i start doing projects with more than one file, but for now, it's good
[22:59] <drdo> either that or slackpkg is not working properly
[22:59] <drdo> it cannot find "kdebase" for instance
[22:59] Nick change: Sier__ -> Sier
[22:59] <Stx> Urchlay: An EULA like that wouldnt be legal in Sweden, and I doubt in any other civilized country either. :)
[22:59] <Urchlay> WTF do you need an IDE for if you're doing projects that only consist of one file?
[22:59] <nyRednek> Urchlay: just playing around
[22:59] <Urchlay> Stx: ...nor in the USA either :)
[23:00] <drdo> emacs is the ultimate IDE, end of discussion :P
[23:00] <nyRednek> deco: cool...not running 64 bit?
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[23:00] <deco> nyRednek: thanks, nah my laptop is from 2001
[23:00] <nyRednek> deco: i got a 64 bit specific logo in a .fig for you
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[23:01] <jescis> Oh, that's right... ed is just too hard core for anyone now a days ;-)
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[23:01] <nyRednek> i like emacs, but i'm not writing makefiles atm
[23:01] <drdo> ok i found the problem
[23:01] <drdo> slackpkg mirrorlist is incorrect
[23:02] <drdo> On 64bit version it has the path for 32bit version
[23:02] <drdo> Should i file this as bug?
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[23:04] <spook> drdo: its noarch.
[23:04] <drdo> spook: it should be
[23:04] <spook> drdo: read the mirrors file.
[23:04] <drdo> arch dependant
[23:05] <spook> drdo: its a BASH SCRIPT. it is noarch.
[23:05] <drdo> oh
[23:05] <drdo> i did read it now
[23:05] <drdo> my mistake
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[23:06] <spook> drdo: in future do some more reading before you act like an arsehole.
[23:06] <drdo> Where did i act like an arsehole?
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[23:07] <deco> drdo: read what you said
[23:07] <drdo> I did
[23:08] <drdo> I was merely mistaken, i did not insult anyone as far as i can tell
[23:08] <antiwire> I feel insulted
[23:09] <Stx> drdo: neither do I.
[23:09] <antiwire> you insulted me by suggesting that you didn't insult me. are you also suggesting that I wouldn't know when I was insulted?
[23:09] <Stx> antiwire: err, drop it.
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[23:10] <spook> antiwire: <3
[23:10] <jescis> a person can do or say things that he/she might think is ok, but others in society might think is wrong. I tend to do such things a lot -_-
[23:10] <stygian> im getting this message that firefox cant find libxul.  ive installed everything in x and xap so which 'l' package is it in?
[23:11] <antiwire> Stx: just give me two steps
[23:11] <Stx> antiwire: huh?
[23:12] <twolf> Freebird!!
[23:12] <antiwire> twolf is the winner, almost
[23:13] <drdo> Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices.
[23:13] <twolf> Lynard Skynard references are not obscure in my neck of the woods, but probably are in other parts of the world
[23:13] <jescis> How can you be almost a winner if you're the only one to guess? o.O
[23:13] <drdo> When running X -configure
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[23:16] <Stx> stygian: afaik its in the XULRunner project
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[23:25] <nyRednek> wtf? pleo trying to take advantage of a mirc weakness in ##slackware?
[23:25] <yht> wew....
[23:25] <thumbs> nyRednek: no, it's DCC spam
[23:25] <NaCl> Ah.  So that's what that is.
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[23:26] <nyRednek> thumbs: looks like an old weakness to take down a mirc client too
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[23:26] <NaCl> Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal.
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[23:27] <nyRednek> NaCl: yeah, back in like mirc 1, that would take it down
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[23:28] <nyRednek> fire|bird: wb
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[23:28] <g4tt0> y^
[23:28] <fire|bird> nyRednek: thanks
[23:28] <Urchlay> WTF I WAS TYPIN AND MY MIRC FROZE UP
[23:28] <twolf> lol
[23:28] <NaCl> heh
[23:28] <fire|bird> haha
[23:28] <MLanden> heya,g4tt0
[23:29] <g4tt0> hi
[23:29] <Dominian> If you're using mIRC you deserve it ;)
[23:29] <nyRednek> Urchlay: LOL...surprised you brought a 16 bit mirc this faracross
[23:29] <nyRednek> s/faracross/far across
[23:29] <MLanden> that's dedication.....:D
[23:29] <nyRednek> MLanden: yeah...
[23:30] <Urchlay> actually, other than it only running on windows, and old versions having security holes, I never thought mirc was really a horrible IRC client
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[23:30] <Urchlay> MS Comic Chat, now *there's* a horrible client
[23:30] <nyRednek> MLanden: the only people i knew that were dedicated to a 16 bit mirc 10 years ago were ppl who couldn't move their scripts
[23:30] <jescis> thank god I'm using irssi ;)
[23:30] <nyRednek> Urchlay: that one just straight SUCKED
[23:31] <nyRednek> Urchlay: want to have fun with someone new to windows back in the mid 90s? load up comic chat and put it in like, undernet chatzone
[23:31] <Urchlay> nooper: no I'm not *really* using mirc...
[23:31] <nooper> ok :)
[23:31] <phreak> Hey guys, just a quick question. Is compiling from source the only option  when you cant find the package you need in the repos or SBo?
[23:31] <Dominian> phreak: yep
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[23:32] <thumbs> Urchlay: sorry, had to check
[23:32] <nooper> Urchlay: but the dcc thing reset your connection anyway?
[23:32] <nyRednek> Urchlay: yeah, me too
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[23:32] <phreak> Dominian: Thank you very much.
[23:32] <Urchlay> nooper: nah, coincidence that my ISP happened to crap out at the same time, probably
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[23:32] <nooper> ah
[23:32] <Dominian> pleo was 'removed' from the network so to speak
[23:33] <Dominian> hit quite a few channels
[23:33] <Urchlay> in fact I got disconned before ever seeing any DCC requests from that guy
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[23:33] <nyRednek> Dominian: he caught the g line downtown?
[23:33] <Dominian> kline
[23:33] <jescis> Wow, that's bad! o.O
[23:33] <Urchlay> what's the one where the freenode opers fly to their house and beat them to a pulp?
[23:33] <nooper> Urchlay: and you weren't the only one, http://pastebin.com/m59ace2b7
[23:34] <Dominian> nyRednek: freenode doesn't use Glines.. they are klines here... glines are normally network wide.. klines normally are server only. but hre klines are network wide
[23:34] <nyRednek> Dominian: ah...there's no k train in nyc
[23:34] <nyRednek> Dominian: was trying to make a joke
[23:34] <twolf> someday they will have "inflict bodily harm over IP"
[23:34] <Urchlay> nooper: hm. Is it possible the stoopid port-0 DCC exploit took down my crappy linksys router, then?
[23:34] <Dominian> nyRednek: I was in th emiddle of typing out my explanation anyway lol
[23:35] <nooper> i guess
[23:35] <Dominian> Urchlay: yep
[23:35] <nyRednek> Urchlay: it's possible
[23:35] <Dominian> Urchlay: there is away around that
[23:35] <Dominian> You can use any one of 6665, 6666, 6667, 7000, 7070, 8000, 8001, 8002 to connect to freenode irc services Urchlay
[23:35] <antiwire> http://tinyurl.com/klinetime
[23:35] <Dominian> I would suggest connecting to freenode on 8000 or higher
[23:35] <Urchlay> Dominian: get some money, throw the linksys in the garbage, replace with something non-crappy
[23:35] <Dominian> that should circumvent that dcc exploit
[23:35] <Dominian> Urchlay: Or if you can and that router will take it.. put dd-wrt on it
[23:35] <NaCl> Dominian: still no ssl support for freenode, right?
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[23:36] <nyRednek> Dominian: looks like staten island container yard
[23:36] <Dominian> NaCl: not yet.. ircd-seven will have that.. it works on the testnet
[23:36] <nyRednek> Dominian: then again, it looks like newark too
[23:36] <Urchlay> apparently that "exploit" causes a very momentary blip, it didn't stop web pages from loading for any noticeable length of time...
[23:36] <losha> I'm interested in moving to slackware from ubuntu, but I'm concerned about dependency management. Why isn't it considered a big deal?
[23:36] <NaCl> Dominian: Ok.  Thanks.
[23:36] <nyRednek> losha: cause you manage the dependencies
[23:37] <Dominian> Urchlay: The exploit is a flaw in routers and how they handle dynamic port creation.. stupidly implemented crap if you ask me
[23:37] <NaCl> losha: and you don't do it too often
[23:37] <losha> nyRednek: so what does that mean in practice? Doesn't it mean I'll install something and then find it won't run when I go to execute it?
[23:37] <thumbs> losha: sometimes, yes.
[23:37] <Urchlay> if it were my router, I'd already have tried to run dd-wrt... it's the landlord's router, I rent a room. Every time I touch their computer stuff, for a month after that, I'm suddenly responsible for everything about their machines...
[23:37] <nyRednek> losha: it means that if dependencies aren't met, the program won't compile
[23:38] <Dominian> Urchlay: ahh then I'd connect to freenode on port 8000 and that way you won't be affected
[23:38] <thumbs> losha: then you'll learn about that software, and what libraries it needs, and what that library actually is.
[23:38] <NaCl> losha: sometimes, runtime deps are needed.  And it will usually be obvious what you are missing.
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[23:38] <Urchlay> like, I helped their kid convert a word doc to HTML, and their printer ran out of ink around the same time, somehow it must be my fault...
[23:38] <thumbs> losha: the upside is that you learn tremendously about GNU in the process.
[23:38] <phreak> losha: Well provided you get well-documented packages, it should list what dependecies you need for that program to run. You'll find a lot of the time that they're already installed or just a few more things you need to install to get it up and running.
[23:39] <losha> but don't you end up in recursive dependency hell? x needs y needs z .....
[23:39] <twolf> luckily Slackware includes a lot of libraries and such
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[23:39] <thumbs> losha: no.
[23:39] <mancha> "dependency hell" is just a buzz-phrase that people use while not knowing what the hell they're talking about  :)
[23:39] <nyRednek> losha: sometimes...not often
[23:39] <NaCl> mancha: or used old versions of windows
[23:39] <thumbs> losha: I never ended up in such a situation, in 8 years of using slackware.
[23:40] <thumbs> losha: rpm-based distros are another story
[23:40] <losha> so basically you rely on the fact that the dependency tree never gets very deep or very complicated in practice?
[23:40] <twolf> losha: I rely on myself to install what I need
[23:40] <thumbs> losha: it's always the case, yes.
[23:40] <NaCl> It sometimes gets annoying.
[23:41] <Urchlay> mancha: my definition of "dependency hell" is when a distro package is compiled with every possible extra --with-whatever option
[23:41] <nyRednek> losha: i've never seen a dependency tree get more than 4 or 5 packages deep on slackware
[23:41] <mancha> my definition of dependency hell is running out of alcohol after the shops are closed
[23:41] <Urchlay> mancha: like, debian's vim, if you install it, it installs all of x11, because vim's optional (and mostly useless) "x11 mouse support" option is enabled, so libX11.so is required, so...
[23:41] <fire|bird> mancha: haha
[23:42] <nyRednek> mancha: i see you live in the south, eh?
[23:42] <Urchlay> actually that may be fixed now, this was 8+ years ago...
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[23:42] <thumbs> Urchlay: don't go back to debian. You'll regret it.
[23:42] <losha> Urchlay: doesn't that cut both ways. If you build something that needs X11, there's a lot of stuff to install...
[23:43] <nyRednek> losha: well, on a default install of slack, x11 is included
[23:43] <phreak> Great thing about NYC. Liquor stores close late and there are 24 hour stores where I can buy beer :-)
[23:43] <nyRednek> phreak: no kidding
[23:43] Action: jescis likes watching text scroll up the screen while an app is compiling >.>
[23:43] <Urchlay> thumbs: I never was on debian myself, for reasons like that... but my friends used to (and still sometimes do) come to me to fix the mess it causes
[23:43] <nyRednek> phreak: speaking of...i think i'm about to head to the 5-11 on richmond terrace
[23:43] <fire|bird> jescis: until it errors out. ;)
[23:44] <jescis> fire|bird, of course :-D
[23:44] <losha> ok, maybe I'll check it out under vmware to see how I like it. Thanks...
[23:44] <Urchlay> losha: if you built vim on a system that has no X11 libs, it just won't include X11 mouse support (it's an optional extra)
[23:45] <losha> Urchlay: ok, got it. Ubuntu has made me lazy though...
[23:45] <phreak> nyRednek: Hahaha. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to go down and get some beer, even though I would really like some.
[23:46] <nyRednek> phreak: monsey?
[23:46] <Urchlay> or, like, you want sendmail but have no intention of using kerberos with it? too bad, if you're on redhat, you've got to install kerberos and its deps, and probably openldap, and whatever all else sendmail can optionally use (but nobody uses all of them!)
[23:46] <jescis> losha, I got away from ubuntu, because X would take resources away from server activities ;-)
[23:46] <Urchlay> (again, this is several years out of date, modern redhat might have a sendmail-minimal package or something)
[23:47] <phreak> nyRednek: What about monsey?
[23:47] <mancha> also on redcrap you can always get srpms and tweak to your hearts desire
[23:47] <nyRednek> mny, i don't think that's manhattan
[23:48] <losha> jescis: well lately I'm not impressed with Ubuntu stability. And I'm happy with a cli...
[23:48] <mancha> (if you want to stay within the rpm framework, that is)
[23:48] <phreak> nyRednek: Haha, no Monsey is in NJ.
[23:48] <Urchlay> yeah, but honestly, if I have to tweak build scripts and compile, I'd rather use a SlackBuild, they're just plain shell scripts instead of redhat's weird little srpm spec-language
[23:48] <nyRednek> phreak: i'm still new here, tbh
[23:48] <jescis> losha, that's what slack is good for(unless you want minix ;-) )
[23:48] <nyRednek> phreak: went from brooklyn to staten island(may as well be jersey)
[23:49] <phreak> nyRednek: Sorry, not NJ. Upstate NY, I believe.
[23:49] <mancha> some people like the rpm database though, you can find out all the package deps with a single command line
[23:49] <nyRednek> phreak: monsey is right off 287
[23:49] <mancha> for example.
[23:49] <nyRednek> phreak: the manhattan brewery is there
[23:50] <phreak> nyRednek: Yeah that's still NY, near Nanuet and Nyack.
[23:50] <losha> so do most users compile everything they want from source, or can I be lazy and download binary packages?
[23:50] Action: nyRednek only knows because he tore up the manhattan brewery's asphalt lot with a loaded trailer
[23:51] <Urchlay> losha: for things that ship with slackware itself, you use the official binary packages. For everything else, you probably want to use slackbuilds.org, which consists of scripts that build things from source and create a binary package for you (which you then install)
[23:52] <phreak> nyRednek: Hahaha
[23:52] <losha> well, I'm worried about something like handbrake, which has a bazillion dependencies....
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[23:52] <Urchlay> losha: slackbuilds.org scripts takes a lot of the work out of compiling stuff (generally, get the source, stick in the directory with the script, and run ./foo.SlackBuild, sit back & relax)
[23:52] <nyRednek> phreak: their fault for ordering 46,000 lb of beer and having soft asphalt
[23:53] <Urchlay> IIRC, handbrake's build process downloads & builds its own private versions of most of the libraries it depends on
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[23:53] <nyRednek> phreak: btw, manhattan brewery orders beer from anheuser busch in syracuse
[23:53] <twolf> do they actually brew beer?
[23:54] <Urchlay> so it's not dependent on your system already having those libs installed
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[23:54] <nyRednek> twolf: no
[23:54] <phreak> nyRednek: Oh yeah? I've never been. Maybe I'll take a trip up there and check it out.
[23:54] <nyRednek> twolf: maybe at one point they did
[23:55] <nyRednek> damn i miss the road
[23:55] <Urchlay> (on the other hand, you can't compile handbrake if you don't have internet access at compile time... probably not a huge problem for most people)
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[23:55] <nyRednek> i love getting out on the road with a hot load and a good margin
[23:55] <jescis> Urchlay, thank god for DSL and Cable High speed internet ;-)
[23:56] <phreak> losha: Just a bit of an exclaimer, if you're looking for tons of pacakges or 'bleeding edge' software in the repos and such, then Slackware might not be the OS for you.
[23:56] <losha> Urchlay: it does, which I found a pain in the ass. I spent ages downloading libraries and *then* found out that handbrake ignores them and downloads its own. I suppose it prevents library version mismatches, but it's not good for the impatient
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[23:57] <Urchlay> losha: yeah, which is why you want to read the docs (pretty sure it tells you it's going to do that, in the readme.txt or install.txt or whatever)
[23:57] <MLanden> hopefully,Urchlay
[23:57] <jescis> losha, that's why I have a saying... "Patience is like a cheeta- it's hard to catch and it's hard to keep" ;-)
[23:58] <losha> phreak: I really don't care about bleeding edge, I value stability over features, but I like to be able to quickly grab a binary, and then compile a more streamlined version later if necessary. I have cpu & disk to spare, but you can't buy more *time* off the shelf at Fry's...
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[23:59] <phreak> Losha: Well if you're looking for stability, you've come to the right place. I used to use Debian and the only that I kind of miss is the availability of packages in the repos.
[23:59] <Urchlay> losha: if you find yourself having to compile stuff, nothing says you have to sit & stare at it... spend your time doing something else
[23:59] <Urchlay> (besides, compiling it like waiting for water to boil: staring at it makes it take longer!)
[23:59] <Urchlay> s/it/is/
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