[00:00] it's "them" ... not "me" ;) [00:00] hehe [00:00] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:00] sitwon, well the 64 bit version of slackpkg does [00:00] for slackware 13 that is [00:00] j4ck (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:01] j4ck (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) left ##slackware. [00:02] gm152, i think the problem might be that when i do dhcpcd wlan0, it says it timed out, and says it's using the IPV4LL address of 169.254.221.247, which it shouldnt be [00:02] hey TwinReverb , look back at that link you posted earlier... you see that "3.1.0" in the path... what do you think you'd see if you replaced that with "3.1.1"...? [00:02] LOL [00:02] danc3, i replaced both [00:02] sitwon, that is slackpkg-2.80.2 [00:02] http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.1/ [00:02] TwinReverb: that's the mirror you referenced [00:02] ;) [00:02] go look at it [00:02] silly [00:02] yes, and the file you want does not exist [00:03] you don't want wJRE [00:03] also, if it helps, I'm using xfce [00:03] TwinReverb: jesus H keeerist. go look at the directory! It's right there! [00:03] the source! [00:03] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:03] Well, TwinReverb ... use this directory -> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/sources/openoffice.org/ [00:03] wow, how clueless can you be? [00:04] put the 3.1.1 link in a browser. the file does not exist. [00:04] go look at the link I posted [00:04] dragonmst: I'm copying the slackware64 ISO to my laptop so I can spin up a VM to test with [00:04] then look down until you see the .tar.gz [00:04] ok, fine, if rworkman is using wJRE that's fine but i was going by the directions at slackbuild.org [00:04] that's the source [00:04] it's got nothing to do with JRE [00:04] you can set the SlackBuild to NOT use JRE [00:04] open your eyes dude [00:04] Is it normal that X crashes somewhere in libdbus even xorg.conf has AutoAddDevices, AutoEnableDevices and AllowEmpyInput set to "False" ? [00:05] then why does the 32bit have one that's not "wJRE" and one that is "wJRE" ? [00:05] reti: Authentication with your AP cannot be determined. Until you have accessed that authentication happened, dhcpcd isn't going to help. [00:05] it doesnt'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [00:05] it's the friggin source!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [00:05] gm152, so how do i get authenticated? [00:05] go look at the directory: http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.1/ [00:05] reti: Try wpa_supplicant (with arguments) in the foreground to view output on the console. [00:05] come on TwinReverb dont be foolish [00:05] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.1/OOo_3.1.1_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz exists as well as http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.1/OOo_3.1.1_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz [00:06] yeah, keep looking [00:06] danc3, I figured out a "fix" for my doom3/quake4 problem :D [00:06] and the slackbuild page points to files that don't have "wJRE" [00:06] there's one there without the JRE in it [00:06] that's where my comment came [00:06] holy crap [00:06] there's one there without the JRE in it [00:06] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [00:06] there is not a x86_64 that doesn't have "wJRE", i'm at the mirror right now [00:06] LOOK at it!!!! [00:07] I give up [00:07] danc3: is there one without the JRE in it? [00:07] yup [00:07] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:07] from here if you punch in http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.1/OOo_3.1.1_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz you get 404 [00:07] that was my comment [00:07] I'm done telling you [00:07] allright, gm152 now it's saying the handshake failed [00:08] installing mplayer and removing worked... this time. wierd, because i know i tried that once before [00:08] reti: I think your wpa_supplicant.conf needs some work. [00:08] it looks exatly like this one: http://pastebin.com/m2bb46d46 [00:09] except i have the long psk and the essid in there [00:09] arenics (n=arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [00:09] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) left irc: "Changing server" [00:09] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) joined ##slackware. [00:09] and it also said "ioctl [SIOCIWENCODETEXT]: no such file or directory [00:10] Until the handshake is established, dhcpcd is moot. [00:10] j4ck (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:10] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] dragonmst: :-) [00:11] sitwon, Yes? [00:11] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] what is siocewencodetext? [00:12] dragonmst: I'm guessing your computer was stuck in the twilight zone or something for a little while [00:12] sitwon, hows that? [00:12] Let's start from the beginning - your wifi iface shows up in ifconfig -a? [00:12] reti (n=reti@71.94.76.191) left irc: "Java user signed off" [00:13] hey, anyone else had trouble with libflashplayer v10 and firefox 3.5.2? [00:13] with pkgtools not working the way they were supposed to... [00:13] reti (n=reti@71.94.76.191) joined ##slackware. [00:13] grill, I did for a little while [00:13] d'oh, firefox tore out the tab that the irc was in [00:14] gm152, so how can i fix the handshake part? [00:14] reti: Let's start from the beginning - your wifi iface shows up in ifconfig -a? [00:14] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:14] istoutgrill: I'm still using flash 9 because of a compatiblity issue with one of the sites I frequent [00:14] yeah, i'm using wlan0 [00:14] actually, it might be wmaster0 [00:15] istoutgrill: i did,i installed mozplugger and its fine. not sure if theres a slackbuild tho. [00:15] sitwon: just one? it seems to me that just about every flash instance makes it crash [00:15] OK. It's more likely wlan0. [00:15] grill, do you have problems getting firefox to recognize the flash plugin? [00:15] oh nice [00:15] dragonmst: installing/recognizing is np, shows right up in about:plugins [00:15] grill, I used the slackbuild from the slackware 13 extra if that helps you [00:15] istoutgrill: ouch, that sounds much worse than what happend to me [00:16] wpa_passphrase ESSID your_passphrase next? [00:16] dragon: which sbuild? [00:16] weird, i jsut did iwlist wlan0 scan, and it said "interface doesnt support scanning: network is down" [00:16] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [00:16] grill, http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/extra/flashplayer-plugin/flashplayer-plugin.SlackBuild [00:16] ah, thanks [00:16] Mine does the same as I'm not authenticated to the AP yet. [00:16] i just dumped the .so into the dir [00:16] ok, iwlist scan works now gm152 [00:16] grill, are you using 64 bit, or no? [00:17] ill give the slackbuild a shot [00:17] nah, no x64 here [00:17] Hmm, forget that last line, I specified the wrong iface. [00:18] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:18] the plugin's in my sbopkg rep, so no prob [00:18] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:18] ok, so i got the passphrase gm152 [00:18] reti: Yeah, I get the same output only after I authenticated. [00:19] So if you're now authenticated, dhcpcd wlan0 should work. You already ran wpa_passphrase (arguments) then? [00:19] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] wpa_passphrase essit mykey is what i did gm152 [00:19] essid* [00:19] but i ut in my actual stuff [00:19] put* [00:20] The output string goes into the psk= line. [00:20] yup [00:20] j4ck (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [00:20] and dhcpcd has timed out [00:21] Did you see wpa_supplicant's output in the console? [00:21] i havent run it yet [00:22] wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant [00:22] right? [00:22] Yes. [00:22] .conf at the end * [00:23] wpa: 4-way handshake failed - preshare key may be incorrect [00:23] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [00:24] thanks for the tip, guys - the slackbuild flashplayer does the job [00:24] kind of a "duh" moment on my part [00:24] gm152 wpa: 4-way handshake failed - preshare key may be incorrect [00:25] reti: Comparing our wpa_supplicant.conf files .. same except psk= and ssid= lines. [00:26] Yet iwlist scan shows found access points? [00:26] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [00:26] hi [00:27] Hi. [00:27] hey [00:28] how are you guys? [00:28] Alright, you? [00:28] i am doing suburb this eve [00:29] reti (n=reti@71.94.76.191) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:31] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:32] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [00:33] hmm audacious uses 100% cpu for some reason [00:33] siimo: is there a mem leak? [00:33] siimo, memory leak [00:33] ugh i hate you omnipotentduo lol [00:33] i dont think so, only cpu [00:33] gm152, i am trying to figure out what to code >< [00:33] siimo: How long has it been running? [00:34] i just restarted it and it still peaks up right away [00:34] is it playing anything? [00:34] yeah [00:34] ahh i figured out the issue [00:34] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:34] bad code! [00:34] lol [00:35] Unable to read from file:///home/whatever,,,,,,,, giving up. [00:35] surrealgirl: There's a project for you - code audacious. :) [00:35] its outputting that over and over to console [00:35] ahh, your libs are out of order [00:35] same thing happend to me [00:35] no, that is an MP3 file [00:35] maybe my user has no permission to read it [00:35] gm152, haha i wouldnt know where to start with audacious :x [00:35] siimo: bad mp3 file maybe? Does it play with anything else? [00:37] yeah [00:37] Me neither. [00:37] plays fine in xine [00:37] but audacious falls over [00:37] that is strange. [00:37] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.40.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:38] gcc (n=luciofm@189.6.227.47) joined ##slackware. [00:38] haha i found out what the issue is [00:39] the file name had a comma and audacious cant handle it [00:39] gg [00:39] lol [00:39] haha [00:40] reti (n=reti@71.94.76.191) joined ##slackware. [00:41] hey gm152 [00:41] sorry about that [00:41] gotta love windows crashing [00:41] No prob. [00:41] reti: iwlist scan shows found access points? [00:42] yeah [00:42] and i can see the one i'm trying to get to [00:42] gotta love the urban legends of windows crashing, i haven't had a windows crash in years, uptime of 46 days on work machine and last reboot was windows updates [00:42] That's odd because you'll see output like that if you're authenticated to the AP. [00:42] siimo, well, i just had it crash for about 10 minutes [00:42] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:42] siimo, mine crashed yesterday, iwndows xp sp3 [00:43] Do you have wicd running? [00:43] gm152, i see all the AP around me though [00:43] yeah, wicd is running [00:43] most likely a bad driver or hardware, but then im running vista sp2 at work [00:43] kill wicd. [00:43] ok [00:43] siimo, doubtful, its fully updated [00:43] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:43] wicd running will affect wpa_supplicant. [00:44] ah [00:44] Run wpa_supplicant again. [00:44] does this make sense? "your strongest link is your weakest link"? [00:44] arenics (n=arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [00:44] i dont use xp so cant say but vista is rock solid [00:44] i have heard "you are only as strong as your weakest link" [00:45] If it works, then the issue might be that the AP/router is mac filtering. [00:45] gm152, 4-way handshake failed [00:45] iwlist scan show anything? [00:46] nope [00:46] i killed all the wicd's [00:46] oh ok [00:46] what is it with wicd it says one of my unsecurred unhidden networks as "hidden" and i cant connect to it, but if i put wpa password on it i can [00:46] mayeb my router is mac filtering? [00:47] does your strongest link is your weakest link" make sense tho? [00:47] how do i change slackwares mac address? [00:48] Which means that you can authenticate using wicd. And dhcpcd is failing because your AP/router might be MAC filtering. You would have to change that on the AP/router setup. [00:48] surrealgirl: no that doesn't make sense, but "your security / safety is as good as your weakest link" does [00:48] what your saying is a contradiction [00:48] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:48] sigh, the pw to the router got changed, and i dont know it [00:48] i'll have to ask the owner tomorrow for the pw [00:48] ok, good night reti [00:48] thanks for all your help [00:48] alright ty siimo [00:48] No problem. [00:49] Nick change: gcc -> oops [00:50] so it's not possible to change the mac address on my slack box? [00:50] ifconfig [interface name] hw ether [new MAC address] [00:50] would that work? [00:51] If the router is set to filter MACs, and there is a list of accepted MACs, you would have to know that list of MACs. [00:51] try it [00:51] my laptop is on the list [00:51] and i can get the mac address by ipconfig [00:51] Do you get an IP with your laptop via wireless? [00:51] anyone here slackware-br ? [00:51] yeah [00:52] I'm not sure how you can fake a MAC address bound to an iface. [00:53] for wired NICs, "ifconfig eth0 hw ether 01:02:03:04:05" will set the MAC address for almost any driver (there may be a few uncommon cards whose drivers don't support it) [00:54] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] dunno about wireless [00:54] hmm [00:54] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:54] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:54] oh, you had already figured it out: 00:50 ifconfig [interface name] hw ether [new MAC address] [00:55] Wireless uses the MAC in two places, that and iwconfig(8), and they do not necessarily have to be the same MAC, in some drivers. [00:55] sp do you know how i could change the mac address of wlan0? [00:56] my god [00:56] That said, I recommend unlearning ifconfig(8) and learning ip(8) ... "ip link set help" [00:56] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left ##slackware. [00:57] reti: did you try the command string that you asked about? [00:57] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [00:57] yeah, said the address was invalid [00:58] how did you type the new address? [00:58] ip(8) hasn't found a home in Slackware yet? [00:58] ifconfig rob0 down :) [00:58] xx-xx-xx-xx-xx [00:58] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Heh. [00:58] reti: try xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx [00:58] (you can have my ifconfig when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!) [00:58] Urchlay: that is an excellent idea! [00:59] lol [00:59] I mean "ifconfig rob0 down" [00:59] good night [00:59] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Good night. [01:00] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: "leaving" [01:00] ok the xx:xx:etc worked [01:00] but the wpa_supplicant still had the 4way handshake fail [01:01] reti: Don't bother with wpa_supplicant because wicd seems to authenticate to your AP. [01:02] As evident by iwlist scan that is showing access points when wicd is running. [01:02] ah, right [01:02] what was that wicd start command again/ [01:02] /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start ? not sure. [01:03] yeah [01:03] Run iwlist scan to ensure that you're seeing access points again. [01:04] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:06] whoops, I accidentally got rid of rob0 [01:06] reti8 (n=reti@71.94.76.191) joined ##slackware. [01:06] hmm [01:06] reti (n=reti@71.94.76.191) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:06] Nick change: reti8 -> reti [01:07] so, i "connected", but since the mac address of something on my slack box is the same as my laptop, my laptop got booted [01:07] lol [01:07] so i killed wicd and reconnected with my laptop [01:07] Heh. :) [01:07] Hey banned|spruce [01:07] err Urchlay [01:07] :P [01:07] so how do i go back to my old mac addy, or can i just choose something random? [01:08] reti: Well, I found something else. [01:09] yes? [01:09] I had changed my psk= in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to ensure a failure to authenticate then ran wpa_supplicant in the background. iwlist scan showed access points but dhcpcd failed. [01:10] hey awl|downloads [01:10] tbh, i think the problem is mac address filtering [01:10] Ok. [01:10] i think i set it up a while ago [01:11] but someone changed the pw on the router [01:11] so i have to ask the owner for it [01:11] We'll have to assume that wicd has the correct passphrase. [01:11] ywah [01:11] in wicd, do i put the long key, or the short one? [01:12] The actual passphrase, I think. [01:12] yes [01:12] Not the psk. [01:12] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:12] ok [01:12] also, i need a new mac address for my slack box since i dont want it the same as my laptop [01:12] can i just choose a random one? [01:13] or is there a method to the madness? [01:13] i got prescribed a schizoprenia pill lawl [01:13] Why not the one that is reported by ifconfig? [01:13] misspwn, :/ [01:13] The real MAC address. [01:13] ok [01:14] surrealgirl, i'm sure it will be fine [01:14] Does your passphrase have spaces? [01:14] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:14] no [01:15] and my neighbors have wep security... maybe i should just hack theirs so i can get internet tonight lol [01:15] KyNs (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [01:15] OK (wondering why wpa_supplicant failed - I'm out of straws now). [01:15] w0000t to alienbob [01:15] gm152, i'm pretty sure my router has mac filtering on [01:15] he has a mini-iso of Slack13 64 bit [01:16] but i don't have the pw atm, and have to ask the owners tomorrow for it [01:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:16] pw for the router [01:16] klee12 (n=klee12@cpe-75-80-91-0.bak.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:16] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] reti: Yeah but that's doesn't correlate to why wpa_supplicant fails. [01:16] that [01:16] the handshake fails [01:16] so mac filtering is on [01:16] so i dont get connected [01:17] reti: Hmm, yeah, could be. [01:17] You're right. [01:18] makes me mad that they changed the routers pw [01:18] Who changed it? [01:18] i dont know [01:18] it's technically not my router [01:18] I thought it was your router. [01:18] Techinically? [01:18] i share internet with an apartment neighbor [01:18] we slit the cost [01:18] split* [01:18] They owe you a refund then. [01:18] ;) [01:18] but the router is in their aparyment [01:19] so it's technically not my router [01:19] but i have been given access to it [01:19] klee12 (n=klee12@cpe-75-80-91-0.bak.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:19] but for some reason they changed the pw on the router [01:20] kick the door in? [01:20] lol [01:20] it's only 10:20pm here [01:20] hack in [01:20] lol [01:20] reti: boot the router and press the reset switch [01:20] lol [01:20] hey, its 10:20 here TOO [01:20] oic ... it's in their apt [01:20] yeah [01:20] downstairs [01:20] apt neighbor ... buy ADSL [01:21] it's cable [01:21] buy cable [01:21] buy something [01:21] lol [01:21] it's cheap [01:21] yeah [01:21] it's cheaper to split it though :\ [01:21] not when you don't have a passwd [01:21] also, once i get root setup on the internet, what group do i add my user to for internet access? [01:21] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:22] netuser? [01:22] for wicd you net to be in netdev [01:22] ah [01:22] read that file I linked you to [01:22] link again? [01:22] if you don't need wicd, there is no group to add for networking [01:22] buffer? [01:22] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [01:22] It's in the wicd directory of ./extra on your Slackware DVD [01:22] README.SLACKWARE or some such [01:23] so as a regular user, i can just run wpa_con whatever and be connected? [01:23] Does anyone know if there is some reason a single core 64-bit CPU will NOT boot a Slackware64 DVD? [01:23] The DVD is good .... I tried it on another box. [01:23] your computer has aids [01:23] no [01:23] reti: also read configuring your network in slackware from alienBOB's wiki [01:25] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [01:25] 11:57 < mingdao> reti: After someone gets you setup, you might want to read http://wiki.alienbase.nl/doku.php?id=slackware:network#configuring_your_network_in_slackware to learn how Slackware's network setup works. [01:25] reti: what chat client are you using? [01:26] my computer has AIDS? [01:26] shucks ... which one? [01:26] java.freenode.net lol [01:26] My CPU is single core 64 bit. Yet, I never tried booting a DVD. [01:26] for some reason mirc wouldnt connect to freenode [01:26] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_drunken_nap [01:26] gm152: I can't get the wife's box to boot ... and someone in another channel said: if the cpu is a single core x86_64 or turon then they are not true 64bit (no VT bit) so they fail on pure 64 bit boot media [01:27] [22:26:43] * Connect retry #1 irc.freenode.net (6667) (dns pool) [01:27] couldntg read the auth or someth [01:27] reti: so you're using a web browser? [01:27] yeah [01:27] it sucks [01:27] java irc client in firefox in XP ftw [01:27] reti: may I suggest you try either irssi (if you like command line interface) or xchat (if you prefer GUI) [01:27] lol [01:27] I wish mine was an AMD-V so I could run virtualization in hardware. [01:28] oh ... Windows eXPeriment? [01:28] yeah [01:28] yuk [01:28] How are you connected in Windows but you can't in Slackware? [01:28] i finally got my desktop running, so i installed slack one it [01:28] because my laptop's mac address is on the whitelist [01:28] oic [01:29] You should live here. For 3 yuan you can buy software to hack into that router. [01:29] lol [01:29] Whether it's a mac filter, wep, wpa, etc. [01:29] it's a linksys router [01:29] I don't do it, but it is available. [01:29] the one that can run linux [01:29] mine can, but I have not yet done it [01:29] Because ... it's working. [01:29] ;) [01:29] I might just break it, and for what? [01:29] try the default password,might get lucky [01:29] admin [01:30] lol [01:30] yup [01:30] I doubt it, if they have MAC filtering. [01:30] i doubt they changed it from non standard pw to defualt pw [01:30] But, who knows?> [01:30] yuh [01:30] That's why I set reset the router. [01:30] Then admin works. [01:30] I had a client who kept loosing connection to his own router. [01:30] I went over, and the settings would be changed. [01:30] Finally I learned they would forget the password they had written down. [01:31] nope, default pw doesnt work [01:31] So they would reset the router. [01:31] lol [01:31] Their neighbor would login with admin and change the settings and lock them out. [01:31] so I setup a new password and wouldn't give it to them [01:31] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:31] also, if i want to ssh into my slack box from school or something, is that fairly simple to set up? [01:31] fairly [01:31] just need to know your IP [01:31] yeah [01:31] but besides that [01:31] ssh username@ip [01:32] mmk [01:32] more than that ... port forwarding needs to be on [01:32] yeah [01:32] that too [01:32] ssh username@ip:port [01:32] reti: something like this "ssh -p 22000 mingdao@222.56.44.50" [01:33] ah [01:33] where 22000 is the port you forward in the router, and mingdao the username and 222.56.44.50 the IP [01:33] yeah [01:33] qimo (n=qimo@pool-71-110-242-172.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] but other then that, there's nothing else i have to do? [01:33] hello all [01:33] hello qimo [01:34] hola [01:34] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:34] run sshd on the box [01:34] I have a problem, I'm trying to run slackware 13 on a Dell Inpiron 2650 but the kernel keeps getting stuck [01:34] explain "getting stuck" [01:34] post the message [01:34] I was able to bypass the first point by using acpi=off, but now it gets stuck at alua [01:35] more than 3 lines put in pastebin and post the link [01:35] computer freezes [01:35] have to hardboot [01:35] $sshd "sshd re-exec rewuires execution with an absolute path [01:35] requires even [01:36] ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [01:36] there is not error message (no kernel panic) [01:36] should be -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1477 2009-05-23 14:04 /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [01:36] yup [01:37] and the access is 755 [01:37] I wish I could post the last message of where it gets stuck but I i'm currently running a live debian cd to use the computer. [01:38] it gets stuck at loading "alua" [01:39] mingdao, are you vi or emacs person? [01:40] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:40] vim [01:40] wooo [01:40] not vi, but vim [01:40] yeah [01:41] lies [01:41] he's a wordpad.exe person [01:41] lol [01:41] vim+ctags and the world is your friend [01:41] notepad.exe more like it [01:41] superGear: don't tell my secrets ;) [01:41] wordpad has rtf [01:41] notepad doesn't ;) [01:41] psh [01:41] who needs rtf [01:42] I use VirtualBox to load Windows 98 ME to use Wordpad ;) [01:42] why? [01:42] wine runs it just fine [01:42] lol [01:42] to be leet [01:42] oh, really? [01:42] well i use virtual box to load windows 3.1 [01:42] Actually, I only use VBox for Adobe InDesign and Photoshop, and testing OSes [01:43] no Winblows here [01:43] Nothing wrong with windows [01:43] it has its place [01:43] much like OS X and such [01:44] in the trash [01:44] lol [01:44] I program with MS Word... nothing better [01:44] Windows does have it's place ... it runs InDesign and Photoshop ... and other proprietary software [01:44] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-166-217.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [01:45] and games if you like games [01:45] no games here [01:45] i play a few [01:45] the wife and I played a computer game one day back around '94 [01:45] That's all my life I'll give to such. [01:45] does anyone know how to disable Asymmetric Logical Unit Assignment ALUA with boot parameters? [01:45] qimo: not me [01:45] ok, so to ad my regular user to netdev, i do "usermod -Gnetdev myuser" right? [01:45] you was married in 94... [01:45] i used to play some LucasArts games, in the 90's [01:45] so you're like in your mid 30s? [01:46] windows has its place... under Satan's butt [01:46] Does anyone know why I can't get a single core 64-bit to boot Slackware64-13.0 DVD? [01:46] no [01:46] that's pretty strong dchmelik [01:46] If there is no god there is no satan! [01:46] but anyways [01:47] mingdao: try any cheat codes? [01:47] what is the error? [01:47] ok, so to ad my regular user to netdev, i do "usermod -G netdev myuser" right? [01:47] add [01:47] yes, add* [01:48] It gets to the screen and shows a prompt flashing for maybe 15 secs, then it goes to lilo [01:48] superGear: what cheat codes? [01:48] maybe a bad burn [01:48] This isn't Knoppix ... ;) [01:49] try it on a different machine [01:49] it works [01:49] on 2 other boxen [01:50] strange that it wouldn't work [01:50] mingdao: you could try booting the kernel with the switch 'nomce' [01:50] if you got that far [01:50] but i don't think it's a slack issue [01:50] There is no kernel to try ... [01:50] 13:53 < mingdao> It gets to the screen and shows a prompt flashing for maybe 15 secs, then it goes to lilo [01:50] if it doesn't even goto a boot promt [01:51] duh [01:51] right ... tkx superGear [01:53] hi people [01:53] hi Thom1 [01:53] What's shakin' in your tree? [01:57] yht (n=yht@114.123.58.225) joined ##slackware. [01:58] well, thanks for the help guys, I'll probably be back here tomorrow with some other problem, lol [01:58] reti: be sure to get a refund on your router rent [01:58] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] lol [01:58] reti (n=reti@71.94.76.191) left irc: "Java user signed off" [01:58] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Anybody else having problems with an intel gpu and the new driver(s)? [01:59] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [02:00] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] i run all ati, sorry [02:00] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] all ati [02:00] i run nvidia [02:00] nvidia [02:00] Video: X203H (Digital) on NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS (1600x900x32bpp 60Hz) [02:00] intel laptop+ nvidia desktop. [02:00] I think my mtrr's are wack. [02:01] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [02:02] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] ati needs better drivers before i even come close to buying an AMD/ATI video card [02:03] Video cards suck in general, but at least ati and intel are contributing. [02:03] Even if their stupid driver is constantly changing. [02:03] they need better 3d accel.... I will give them that.... [02:03] qimo (n=qimo@pool-71-110-242-172.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] Sooner or later intel cards should work quite nicely, plus ati has good foss. [02:04] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:04] Action: superGear isn't a FOSS nut [02:04] Action: byteframe is [02:05] But foss drivers are better for everybody. [02:05] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] Captain, I've decided to reduce the agp apecture size. [02:06] Is there a way to change refresh rate in the latest xorg easily? (on-the-fly, or through the config file) [02:06] blackorca, man xrandr ? [02:07] Shit I cant. [02:08] byteframe, thank you :) unfortunately the refresh rates displayed in xrandr are wrong :( [02:08] blackorca, nvidia? [02:08] byteframe, yes [02:08] It;s their twinview crap. [02:08] nvidia-settings ? [02:09] You have to disable it in xorg to get correct rates [02:09] If it says your getting 50, I think you still might be getting the 60, though. [02:09] well right now it's at 85, I want to go to 60, temporarily [02:09] how can they let such huge blunders go unchecked? [02:10] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-48-38.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:10] 85, wow.... [02:10] how can they be so obscure> [02:10] The rates are reduced for some reason, it's in the readme. [02:10] dragonmst, ? [02:10] byteframe, thanks, I'll check out the README [02:11] i was just saying that 85 is /kinda high.... most monitors work best at 60 or 75... [02:11] blackorca, DynamicTwinView xorg option is what your looking for. [02:11] draeath, unless its a premium crt. [02:11] byteframe, yup, I found it, thanks :) [02:12] How to see which packages are installed without using pkgtool [02:12] dragonmst, this is just a standard hp 17" CRT [02:12] ppl like CRT or LCDs better? [02:12] dragonmst, supports 85 at 1024x768 and only 60 at 1280x1024 (highest res) [02:12] I like lcd personally [02:12] superGear, people like big crts with high refresh rates so they can attach 3d goggles to it and play quake. no doubt. [02:12] blackorca, that sounds about right [02:12] Once upon a time 120hz was common :( [02:13] brb, restarting X [02:13] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:14] why would he have to leave? [02:14] A friend of mine had a high definition b/w crt for xrays and such that ran at 150Hz.... oh, and did i mention that the moitor was about 5 grand [02:14] yeah, even my cheap Acana monitor did 120. I held onto another really nice monitor for a long time because LCD was a huge step backward. [02:15] Then I caved and bought one because it used less power. [02:17] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] hello [02:17] Hey [02:17] lol What? [02:18] Any ideas as to how to read a pdf in slackware x64, adobe-reader doesnt work.. [02:18] lol who? [02:18] try xpdf [02:18] at least the slackbuild.. [02:19] blackorca_ (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] byteframe, thanks again :) [02:19] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:19] too bad it still doesn't let me use vertical sync with doom 3 [02:19] i use xpdf [02:19] they dont have it for 13 [02:19] yes they do [02:19] i have it installed [02:19] I installed a DC client, linuxdcpp-1.0.2-i686-1mei. It is not in Menu how to fix it. [02:20] slack 13 64-bit [02:20] edit .desktop srecko [02:20] byteframe, FPS maxes out at 63, and since the refresh rate is only 60, it still isn't smooth, haha [02:20] what window manager srecko? [02:20] oh didnt see that, thanks [02:20] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/source/xap/xpdf/ [02:20] kde [02:20] ok np [02:21] kde has an option to add adds to their menu [02:21] it will search for it and ask you to add it [02:21] i don't recall the menu option to select though it is there. [02:23] sorry, im no help mrselfpwn. I havent used kde for quite some many years [02:23] nor have i [02:23] what do you use? [02:23] well, just xfce [02:24] awesome, me too [02:24] .desktop is the file to edit [02:25] where is the file [02:25] they are located in /usr/share/applications/ [02:25] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] l0lwut: acroread works here [02:27] AdbeRdr9.1.1-1_i486linux_enu.tar.bz2 to be exact [02:27] Action: mrselfpwn wishes he could run doom 3 on his netbook. [02:27] I hate xpdf [02:28] On Slackware64-13.0 l0lwut [02:28] doesn't foxit have a linux version? [02:28] mingdao, you have it working for 13 x64? yeah I hate xpdf too [02:30] mingdao, where'd you get the pkg? [02:30] foxit does have a linux version, iirc [02:30] l0lwut: you need multilib support -> http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/multilib-slackware64/ [02:30] mrselfpwn, I add file . [02:31] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.180) left irc: "Leaving" [02:31] okular in kde4 is much faster than acroreader imo [02:31] fatalnix (i=1000@67.251.7.122) joined ##slackware. [02:31] lol [02:31] someone tome me Toastytoast got in trouble? [02:32] I didn't like okular, either [02:32] l0lwut: iirc acroread needed libpixman-1.so.0 to run, and the 64-bit version wouldn't work [02:33] i don't recall but i think it is packaged binary, so depends on how happy you are with that [02:33] But with the compat32 libs it's all good [02:33] yuh whatever works. :) [02:34] mingdao, sweet thanks for the help, I should be up and running in no time :) [02:36] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-48-38.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:37] l0lwut: helps with some other things, too ... Skype, for instance [02:37] Rat409: maybe I just used Acrobat since the early 90s or so and prefer it [02:38] murmlos (i=mrmlz@hhcrew.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] mingdao, yeah Im reading through his wiki right now,its awesome thay they provided multilib packages [02:38] Acrobat has many features the other's don't, and displays my InDesign created pdfs better. [02:38] mingdao, thanks for pointing me in the right direction :D [02:38] is it trojan free? [02:38] And it's not like Slamd64 [02:38] yw [02:39] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-166-217.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [02:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] srecko (n=srecko@78.1.166.217) joined ##slackware. [02:40] i have an oddball question to ask. on startup, what is the thing thats trying to be a penguin? [02:40] srecko (n=srecko@78.1.166.217) left ##slackware. [02:40] it is a Tazmanian devil [02:40] mingdao, damn I literatly just deleted my x32 tree like 20 min ago because I thought i wouldnt need it lol [02:40] he he [02:40] sorry l0lwut [02:41] haha its not your fault [02:41] really? wow.... thats awesome! [02:41] l0lwut: if you don't want to personally rebuild all the pkgs, alienBOB posted the pkgs this week [02:41] dragonmst: at some event in Australia there was a fundraiser [02:41] It's on Linus' blog [02:41] dragonmst: # of cpu's [02:41] dragon, google "tuz" [02:42] mingdao, meh the rsync wont take long [02:42] If so much was raised, he'd be given a taz doll or something [02:42] so he used that taz in 2.6.29 [02:42] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-166-217.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [02:42] in 2.6.30 Tux is back on board. [02:42] And you can even change it back in 2.6.29.x [02:42] oh, its not tux anymore in some kernels? [02:43] the .29 tree [02:43] 2.6.29.x has that taz [02:43] tuz [02:43] ahh, thats what i get for remote rebooting, i miss the cool stuff [02:43] awesome, i was curious [02:43] It's an interesting story. [02:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuz-logo.png [02:43] go nuts [02:44] The Taxmanian devils are going extinct. [02:44] They're trying to raise awareness and save the fellers. [02:44] thats awesome [02:44] Not only were they slaughtered before, but some facial cancer is killing them. [02:45] well thats not good [02:45] it is my firm belief that tuz can open some serious whoopass on the fbsd devil. otoh, tux is a 10:1 underdog against dbsd's devil [02:45] well if spook would quit throwing them on the barbq [02:45] lol [02:45] i agree mancha [02:46] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:46] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:46] http://lwn.net/Articles/316282/ [02:47] mancha: they already went toe-to-toe [02:47] Tuz ripped the BSD devil's tail off, whipped him good, and took his BSD girl away from him. ;) [02:47] It was a good video. [02:48] LOL, thats great [02:49] How do i install pkgtools-13.0.tgz without pkgtools? :) [02:49] murmlos, with a lot of tlc [02:49] did you read the UPGRADE.TXT file? [02:50] whos got the grape drink [02:50] notice the .tgz? [02:50] i love me some purple drank [02:51] mancha: Yes, alright, fuck the .tgz how do i install pkgtools to begin with. I dont have a cdrom in the box that i´ve got slackware on [02:51] its so good that there is even a song about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjn2uxA7_vw [02:51] murmlos, ok so restate your question, what do you have, where do you have it, and what you want to do? [02:52] mancha: I want the easiest way to install pkgtools. [02:52] ask your question in an intelligent way [02:52] otherwise upgradepkg pkgtools-13.0.tgz is my answer. [02:53] Upgradepkg is pkgtools is it not? I want to install pkgtools since i do not have it installed. [02:53] So i cant use pkgtools-methods. [02:53] how did you install the rest of the things? [02:54] I just booted cd1 [02:54] So i tought that it would contain pkgtools but apparently it didnt [02:54] did you remove pkgtools or did you not install the "a" dir? [02:54] I installed the 'a' dir [02:54] But i cant find pkgtools [02:54] well thats where it is [02:55] what does ls /sbin/upgradepkg give you? [02:55] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [02:56] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:56] mancha: Ah, it is there, odd that it didnt show up when i tried to type 'upgrad+tab' in bash [02:56] Ill think i manage now, thank you. [02:57] welcome [02:57] maybe its not in your path? [02:57] ffsdmad (n=ffsdmad@dynamicip-94-181-255-30.pppoe.kirov.ertelecom.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:57] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [02:57] blackorca_ (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:57] : error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - where do i find this [02:58] strange, most mozilla things build that in statically [02:58] what program is complaining? [02:59] Chrome [02:59] ffsdmad (n=ffsdmad@dynamicip-94-181-255-30.pppoe.kirov.ertelecom.ru) left ##slackware. [02:59] i have this in my system /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.17/libnss3.so [02:59] and I have it in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2 [02:59] you should compile the lib [03:00] oops (n=luciofm@189.6.227.47) left irc: "blah..." [03:00] what [03:02] nss is mozilla's crypto library [03:02] siimo, you have seamonkey and seamonkey-solibs packages installed ? [03:02] you can compile standalone, i am not sure if this is what chrome wants...did you read chrome's docs? [03:02] yes [03:02] well what deps does it mention? [03:03] i was replying Thom1 [03:03] mancha i dont know i got binaries from google [03:03] weird, packaged binaries that aren't statically linked? [03:04] pics or it didn't happen [03:04] why did moz write their own crypto [03:05] gotta go for a few.... video drivers [03:05] it's their api, support for ssl, tls, blah blah... [03:05] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [03:07] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] y0 slackers..How's everyone? [03:08] doing well, installing slack13 in a qemu VM so I can slack while I slack =) [03:08] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:08] sounds sweet,SiegeX....'nothin wrong with double slackin'...:D [03:09] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:09] yht (n=yht@114.123.58.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:09] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.220) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:09] siimo, let me ask you, do you have libnss3.so anywhere else? [03:10] kinda like an In-N-Out burger out west [03:10] yes [03:10] mmmm, love that place [03:10] siimo, try to symlink then.. [03:11] something like ln -s /path/to/where/you/have/libnss3.so /usr/lib/libnss3.so.1d or summit, report back [03:12] i give up, i fixed this and then 10 more and it has yet more [03:12] yes, there are probably a few... [03:13] do them one by one, you'll be done in less than 10 i am sure [03:13] if that symlink worked then this method will do the trick, which is good news. don't be such a slacker (i wanna know if it works) [03:14] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:14] mancha: What are y'all messin' with? [03:15] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:15] google's new browser [03:15] awesome [03:18] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [03:18] gene (i=1000@146.187.120.162) joined ##slackware. [03:19] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [03:19] gene (i=1000@146.187.120.162) left irc: Client Quit [03:20] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) joined ##slackware. [03:20] How is everyone? [03:21] good [03:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:21] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:22] I managed to break my X..... typical after installing the ATI drivers :p [03:22] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [03:22] doin' great,dragonmst..any error in the logs? [03:23] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:23] nah, because it locks up the computer ;) [03:23] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.22.113) joined ##slackware. [03:24] it doesnt get to make a log [03:24] Siege, vanilla qemu or kvm? [03:24] well... if i disappear, its because my X is still broken and my computer locked up again. brb [03:24] well qemu with -kernel-kqemu options [03:24] *option [03:25] and -net tap so i can communicate with it with another box on my lan. no more VDE! [03:25] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [03:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:25] how much ram does the host have and how much do you give the vm? [03:26] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [03:26] 1.25G and 250M respectively [03:26] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) joined ##slackware. [03:26] still installing though [03:27] and im back.... nice and broken [03:27] aha, that should work well... [03:27] hope so. so far so good [03:27] dragonmst: which ati driver did you install and what is the card/chip? [03:28] really liking the -net tap, i didnt like needing VDE last time i used qemu a year or so ago [03:28] ati-driver-installer-9-8-x86.x86_64 [03:28] there used to be some bug when you passed more than 256 to qemu's vm iirc...not sure it was qemu or some other hypervisor [03:28] ati radeon hd 4870 [03:29] why do you shun FOSS dragon? [03:29] MLanden, I just used the ati installer (as I did when I was running 32-bit) [03:29] FOSS? [03:29] doesn't xorg support hd4870? [03:30] free/open source software [03:30] it "does"... [03:31] but unless they have dramatically improved it, the last time i tried it, there was barely any if any c3d acceleration, and it was really laggy [03:32] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.22.113) left irc: Client Quit [03:32] but, now I would like to remove the ati driver, and go back to how i was before. I changed xorg.conf's to the backup, but it still locks up. I am assuming it has something to do with fglrx? [03:32] click your heels and repeat "there's no place like home" [03:32] :> [03:32] lol [03:34] oh, and I do not shun FOSS, i actually love it, but it was just the performance the moved me to ati's drivers [03:34] my Xorg logs are empty, go figure [03:36] heididowns (n=heididow@adsl-69-106-220-214.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] dragonmst: someone posted a similar problem on LQ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-ati-driver-9.8-system-freeze-751452/ hopefully,that'll help [03:36] heididowns (n=heididow@adsl-69-106-220-214.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [03:37] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4E30.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] im running the fglrx uninstaller now... ill see what happens [03:38] again, if i disappear you know why [03:38] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:38] hba (n=hba@189.188.160.69) left irc: Client Quit [03:39] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:39] dudes in black suits? [03:39] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [03:40] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) joined ##slackware. [03:40] and its still broken [03:40] omg why? ... WHY? [03:40] why must dancing queen be stuck in my head?! someone shoot me please! [03:41] lol, sorry quasar [03:41] this is the song that never ends.... >8-) [03:42] it goes on and on,my friend---->:D [03:43] so does anyone have any experience/problems with the ati drivers? [03:44] Action: TwinReverb never bothered to try their drivers because he saw too many people have too many problems with them [03:46] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:46] SiegeX: are you listenin' to Coast To Coast with Art Bell? [03:47] oo! forensic files is on! [03:47] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Connection timed out [03:48] dragonmst: experience with the ati drivers, yes.. experience with problems with the ati drivers, no :) [03:48] meh... go stargate! [03:48] but terminals dont ask for much [03:48] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.150) joined ##slackware. [03:48] quasar, yeah. I havent had problems before now [03:50] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [03:51] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Operation timed out [03:51] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] MLanden: no, I can't get that while sitting in my faraday cage =P [03:53] lol,SiegeX...;P [03:54] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Here's a nice low pass: http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/flight_08_24/f13_20072587.jpg [03:57] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:57] what,fire_bird?!?...What were you sayin'?!?..can't hear a thing...lol [03:57] hahaha [03:58] I couldn't hear myself either, it's all good. :P [03:58] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:58] that's a take off :| [03:58] if landing gears were up, well then that's different [03:58] That'd been a cool show to see. :) [03:59] SiegeX: I seen the Blue Angels and they flew with the landing gear down the whole time. [03:59] looking again, I see what you mean though. :P [04:00] hmm, not in their annual bay area flights they don't [04:00] They did at the show I seen, I thought it was odd. [04:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7rAUu8djZ4&feature=related [04:01] some real low passes there [04:02] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.120.162) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [04:02] but if you look lower in the digg comments you'll see sombody posting this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY1ux8gJL1Y [04:02] that guy has "bawlz of steeel" [04:03] the blue angels flew with landing gear down the whole time? i find that hard to believe [04:03] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [04:04] if they did they did some slow flying that's for sure. I dont even want to know the dynamics of super sonic flight with the gear down =) [04:05] As a first language to learn would python or perl be "better" [04:05] sorry kind of off topic lol [04:05] sed/awk ! [04:05] I have it on my camcorder still, I'll have to look again. If it wasn't the entire time, it was good portions of it, and it wasn't just after take-off or just before landing. [04:05] i would say about 80% of the things people do with perl can be done with those two. [04:05] id wait for perl6 though since i hear alot is changing [04:06] So go with python for now? [04:06] sed/awk ! [04:07] even an o'reilly book with that namesake [04:07] well, minus the ! =) [04:07] what makes that >python? [04:08] Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:08] they are ubiquitous. I guess it depends on what you ultimately want to do. if its parsing text then i stick with sed/awk [04:08] later,fire|bird [04:08] later fire|bird [04:08] see ya MLanden [04:08] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:09] later mingdao [04:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:09] agrees with SiegeX...all matters on what one wants to do [04:10] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:11] right now Im just looking for a generl purpose language on which to start a foundation [04:11] Siege, install complete? [04:11] not yet, slow as hell [04:12] is there a ##programming channel? lol [04:12] it'll only be done once, make sure to snapshot it then you can always revert back to the fresh install if you muck something up [04:12] l0lwut: several [04:13] mlanden, could you point me to a halfway decent one? [04:13] mlanden, Please :P [04:13] IceW (n=old-time@189-46-247-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [04:14] ya qcow thingy [04:16] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [04:17] just try #python AND #perl,l0lwhut [04:27] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:28] heaumer_ (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:28] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [04:29] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3027E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [04:34] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:35] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Success [04:36] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:39] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:40] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:41] zomg Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 ! [04:41] Action: quasar can't wait for 13.0.0.0.1 [04:41] That many zeros huh? lol [04:41] cat /etc/slackware-version :) [04:41] lol [04:42] why so many zeros [04:42] i thought its normally 13.0.0.0 [04:42] major.minor.build.revision [04:45] cmair (n=cmair@79.51.104.231) joined ##slackware. [04:46] dunno, but I already miss KDE 4.3.. guess I should've made packages huh? [04:46] i miss some stuff in slackware too.. [04:47] i guess they dont build everything and kitchen sink like others [04:47] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:48] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.224.132) joined ##slackware. [04:49] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.21.15) joined ##slackware. [04:49] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-193.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:50] hi [04:50] y0 rg3 [04:52] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:53] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [04:55] what is NIC HANDLE [04:55] fatalnix (i=1000@67.251.7.122) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:55] i register on sixxs.net:) [04:55] ipv6 [04:55] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:56] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:56] can you use rsync to sync the files from a sever without using ssh im trying to get the files from http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh but it wants me to login with ssh [04:56] sorry to get the files from a server not sync [04:57] hey i have 50GB partition ,which has some problem ,i get following error "ide: failed opcode was: unknown end_request: I/O error, Buffer I/O error on device hdb4, logical block 41980055",during *mkfs -c -t ext4 /dev/hdb4*,is there a way to black list these sectors b4 making the filesystem [04:58] l0lwut: I'd choose a real mirror [05:00] l0lwut: read over the info starting at line 83 for a bit of background info [05:01] line 83 of what? [05:01] mirror-slackware-current.sh [05:01] kk [05:02] take care,slackers....bbl [05:02] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:04] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:04] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:05] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:06] why is slack 13.0 gtk+ so old [05:06] quasar, so If not using rsync what would be the best way to go about dl'ing those files? The EXTOPTS thing seems a bit over my head [05:07] l0lwut: what files exactly are you wanting? a mirror of -current? [05:08] no the multilib packages on alienbob's website [05:08] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [05:08] http://slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [05:09] l0lwut: Pat does not allow rsync on Slackware's server [05:09] use the UK link [05:09] shpendk (n=shpendk@82.114.66.26) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Did I not give that one to you? [05:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [05:09] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [05:10] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/? [05:11] l0lwut: try this one -> http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/multilib/ [05:11] If not you can leech from my server. [05:12] slackware.org.uk has ftp so I'd just wget ftp://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/multilib/* .. but that's probably not recomended [05:12] nah ... rsync ftw! [05:12] l0lwut: rsync -av rsync://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/multilib . [05:12] that will put the multilib directory in your cwd [05:13] ah, why the hell was he looking at mirror-slackware-current.sh anyway? o.O [05:13] connie is the official Slackware server, and Pat does not allow rsync from it [05:13] cwd? someone's been reading too many slackbuilds [05:13] I missed that one quasar [05:13] pwd is more like it :> [05:13] pwd [05:13] which would you prefer? [05:13] they are the same [05:14] they are not the same, pwd is the unix standard for your current dir, cwd is merely a variable name usually used to represent a "current working directory" [05:14] Emeaudroide (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-71-217.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:14] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-71-217.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:15] cwd is not a command, they MEAN the same thing [05:15] mingdao, thanks :) so the server has to be a "rsync" server to use rsync? [05:15] yes [05:15] ok, i'm not getting through, so i withdraw from the thread [05:16] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:16] marto (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:17] good idea mancha [05:17] really good [05:17] marto (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Client Quit [05:17] thanks, i thought so too [05:21] mingdao, sorry if this is an obvious but what do you mean it will put it in my pwd? I just appended a target directory to the end but what does it do if nothing is there? [05:21] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.251) joined ##slackware. [05:21] there's a "." there presumably [05:22] if you use rsync and don't put a trailing slash / after the directory, rsync creates that directory [05:22] the . is your pwd (present working directory) and that is where the multilib/ directory will be created [05:22] better mancha ? [05:22] ;) [05:22] sorry for the silly squabling mate [05:23] it livens things up if you do it once in a while - no problems on this side :> [05:24] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:24] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.6) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:24] l0lwut: if you want to put the files in a certain directory, issue that same command in that directory but put a / after multilib and no . at the very end [05:24] and yeah, ditto on the regret for the squabbling [05:25] moha__ (n=mohaa@188.115.67.10) joined ##slackware. [05:25] l0lwut: mingdao@silas64:/tmp$ rsync -av rsync://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/multilib/ [05:25] that puts all the multilib files in /tmp/ [05:26] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:26] but you would want a multilib directory, so [05:26] l0lwut: mingdao@silas64:/tmp/multilib/$ rsync -av rsync://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/multilib/ [05:26] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [05:26] sorry, too much chatter ... [05:26] moha__ (n=mohaa@188.115.67.10) left irc: Client Quit [05:26] so i ran rsync -av rsync://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/multilib /home/steven/jump-backup/Linux/slackware/multilib/ and it seems to be working but without the target at the end it didnt do anything [05:27] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [05:27] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.10) joined ##slackware. [05:27] that will put multilib under /home/steven/jump-backup/Linux/slackware/multilib/ [05:27] so you will have /home/steven/jump-backup/Linux/slackware/multilib/multilib/ [05:27] yeah i noticed that to late lol [05:27] no problem [05:28] I am also known as The King of Entropy [05:28] but the problem is when i ran it without the target it didnt put anything anywhere.. [05:28] I would be embarrassed to ls the several TB or my server [05:28] you probably didn't notice the . [05:28] that WAS the target [05:28] I swear one of these days I'm going to create a site that will destroy sf.net ... it will be wget friendly as well >:| [05:28] ooo [05:29] i feel dumb now >_< [05:29] quasar: \o/ [05:29] l0lwut: you're not ... rsync is just new to you [05:29] quasar, good idea [05:29] l0lwut: for some reason it took me a while to get my head around rsync [05:29] i was a little confused as to why you guys were explaining the whole . .. thing to me [05:29] Action: quasar likes how 'wget http://www.geteggdrop.com' automagically downloads the lastest verison of eggdrop [05:29] I did a bad job of explaining, sorry. [05:29] I imagine I could do something like: wget /projectname [05:30] no it wasnt you i just didnt notice the . at the end of the example you gave me [05:30] my fault [05:30] quasar: he: "Your download should start automatically in a few seconds ..." ;-) [05:30] If it doesn't, select this nice server in your hemisphere instead. [05:30] ;) [05:30] Really helpful if you live here. [05:31] start using aria2 for downloads and it gets better [05:31] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.78.187) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:33] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:34] mingdao, seriously though thanks for putting up with my slowness lol [05:34] l0lwut: were you the one that asked about programming languages earlier? [05:35] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.83) joined ##slackware. [05:35] l0lwut: my pleasure ... no one's slower than I [05:35] mingdao, yeah i am [05:35] l0lwut: I thought you might like reading this -> http://norvig.com/21-days.html [05:35] I started learning perl and then stumbled across python [05:35] and ive read a ton of peoples opinions on whats good n such and everyone contradicts each other [05:36] I would also suggest that if you don't already, study bash [05:36] mingdao, yeah I read that [05:36] good [05:36] yeah, everyone has a different idea [05:36] zsh \\o, zsh o//, zsh \o/ [05:36] I found it quite insightful [05:36] I would say C++ [05:36] see? we all have different opinions [05:37] by bash you mean like commands in a terminal right? [05:37] that guy can really dance ;) [05:37] learn bash [05:37] your Slackware term is bash [05:37] mingdao: nah, it's the pom-pom girls that come with every zsh installation :) [05:37] bourn again shell or something like that? [05:37] everything you see in Slackware ending in .sh is a bash script [05:37] chsh :) [05:37] I think ... [05:37] yes [05:37] bourne again shell maybe? [05:37] head -n 1 script.sh -_- [05:38] bash ! [05:38] ouch! [05:38] bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell [05:38] wow [05:38] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:38] <3 bash :) [05:38] he said it ^^^ [05:38] dont do c++ ! do C ! [05:38] quasar++ [05:38] see? [05:38] mingdao-- [05:38] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-235-186.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:39] bash is so useful to know because you use it every day [05:39] whats the difference between C++ and c? [05:39] think of your parents, don't you want them to be proud of you? don't do C++, think of your children too [05:39] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-226-231.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [05:39] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:39] C++ has the same syntax as C, plus tons of unreadable things :) [05:39] lol [05:39] :D [05:39] it's not exactly clean [05:39] C is a powerful low level language that is pointer driven. C++ is crap [05:39] ever read perl? [05:39] that's how i'd summarize the difference :) [05:39] its harder to break stuff in C++, but when you do .. HEH.. good luck :) [05:40] you can mix c and c++ [05:40] dont ! [05:40] and gcc is here to print the worst error messages in the world :) [05:40] (templates) [05:40] I did that and was shunned in here for MONTHS [05:40] I bet Quiznos still laughs about it at night :\ [05:40] loll [05:41] l0lwut: you should try C++ and see by yourself but don't start with it, learn C first [05:41] This is a good bash guide to start with -> http://xiaowang.net/bgb-cn/ [05:41] l0lwut: I'm learning C as we speak.. I started trying out C++ .. I'm glad the users in here changed my mind now [05:41] (it's closer to the machines and you'll learn much more) [05:41] actually i withdraw my c++ comment and hope i didn't offend anyone. i am just particularly testy this eve [05:41] hehe ;p [05:42] oh and don't forget to learn ocaml, *all* of you :) [05:42] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Action: Camarade_Tux made his daily pro-ocaml troll :) [05:42] haha [05:42] keep your old camel ;) [05:42] so for a "first" language screw scripting and go with c? [05:42] screw you guys I'm going back to Lua ! [05:42] masochist [05:42] mingdao: it's objective, objective-caml, not old -_- [05:43] l0lwut: not necessarily [05:43] scripting isn't a bad buildup for programming imo.. [05:43] l0l, depends on what you want to do... [05:43] you can learn C and not write a bash script [05:43] mingdao, wtf language is that? korean? [05:43] in fact, I think it'd be better because you dont have to recompile every time you want to change the value of 2 [05:43] if you know a bit about programming, go for C [05:43] I dont really know much at all [05:43] scripting in bash is nice but some constructs aren't bash's strengths [05:43] If you hate KDE/Hal/D-bus like me, and don't use a DE, writing a bash script to mount your camera, copy your photos, and unmount it is nice [05:44] I read about half the O'Rily book on perl and thats about the most i know about programming [05:44] l0lwut: Chinese [05:44] C++ [05:44] ;) [05:44] john_dee (n=id@93-81-71-217.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:44] which one, tey have millions [05:44] Im good with html/css though lol which isnt really relavent [05:44] sorry, wrong link ... I'll find it in Enrish [05:44] nutshell? learning perl? cookbook? etc [05:44] mancha, learning perl [05:44] PHP ftw! [05:44] l0lwut: if you can think in terms of functions, you already know programming, go for C [05:45] (or ocaml) [05:45] I second C ... you'll also make better buddies with Linus [05:45] lol [05:45] and dont learn it through some website either :\ [05:46] nah ill just "aquire" a book on it or something [05:46] by learning though a website do you mean something like e-learning.com [05:46] how do you pm? i ar noob [05:47] i'd say, learn by programming, and reading source code [05:47] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:47] you don't pm, you ask to pm first :) [05:47] pm or pms? [05:48] l0lwut: Engrish -> http://tille.garrels.be/training/bash/ [05:48] pmt [05:48] pm as in private message? [05:48] yup [05:48] l0lwut: pm okay? [05:48] /msg nick message [05:48] /msg l0lwut if he says ok [05:48] ok? [05:48] /msg Camarade_Tux take this job and shove it ... [05:48] he he [05:49] working? [05:49] working on getting all the comps on this LAN upgraded [05:49] presently working on the wife's comp ... 12.2 to Slackware64-13.0 [05:49] vewy important [05:50] Has anyone see straterra lately? [05:50] He told me he was coming here, but I don't remember when. [05:51] haven't seen him for a few days [05:51] he's in a few channels, just not here [05:53] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] anybody using xfce in here? [05:54] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:55] shpendk: i think it's best if you simply go ahead and ask [05:55] what do you mean? [05:56] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] he means just ask your question abou xfce [05:56] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.83) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:56] i was just curious if anybody is using it at all [05:56] or are you taking a poll? [05:56] oh, a survey [05:56] kinda [05:56] lots of guys use it [05:56] start a poll at LQ [05:57] do we get a free blender for answering the survey? [05:57] ;) [05:57] haha [05:57] or maybe some RAM? [05:57] of course :P [05:57] cool [05:57] Nazg`off (n=Nazgul@2001:5c0:1504:e800:0:0:0:3) joined ##slackware. [05:57] I used it for about 30 minutes a few years ago [05:57] now I use Fluxbox [05:57] I thought the dog was a rat [05:58] what can I say? [05:58] jigp_ (i=allan@ti500720a080-4347.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [05:58] lol [05:58] Nick change: Nazg`off -> Nazgul [05:58] where's my RAM? [05:58] :-) [05:58] on the way [05:58] bend over [05:58] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] dcc for sure [05:58] ooh [05:58] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.83) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Action: shpendk hands mingdao his ram over [05:59] wth does lilo give a LBA32 warning? [05:59] I don't get it ... there's nothing related to Windows touching this drive [06:00] nice Kingston ... thanks [06:00] lol u welcome [06:00] mingdao, put the line lba32 somewhere near top [06:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) joined ##slackware. [06:00] yeah, but I thought that went out with ... whatever [06:00] also the color warning [06:00] nope [06:00] y0 slackers..How's everyone doin' ? [06:01] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) joined ##slackware. [06:01] MLanden, hi [06:01] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:01] y0 dive [06:01] hi there [06:01] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) left ##slackware. [06:01] y0 shpendk [06:02] do you miss the 'o' button? :P [06:02] cmair (n=cmair@79.51.104.231) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [06:02] lol...no..:D [06:02] y¬s [06:02] hah [06:02] what is it , a generic 65 keyboard lol? [06:03] /completion -auto yo y0 [06:03] /completion -auto noob n00b [06:03] :D [06:04] pff.. get it right nubkins.. it's NUB [06:04] núb [06:05] haha [06:05] dive u from france? [06:05] nope [06:05] ŃUß [06:06] multikey ftw [06:06] /run chapmap :( [06:06] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:07] mingdao, so I just installed the adobe reader after converting all my stuff to multilib and all the charactors are boxes... [06:07] dont' blame me [06:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:08] i was just wondering if you had any idea as to whats going on lol [06:08] what are you trying to open? [06:08] dcc the doc [06:08] ;) [06:08] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Hello! [06:08] not really dcc [06:08] what is it? [06:08] hi [06:08] Is it English? [06:08] it is [06:08] y0 shik4nt4z4 [06:08] no i mean the program like at the top where file and all the buttons and stuff are, they are just boxes [06:09] i havent even opened a pdf yet [06:09] how did you start acroread? [06:09] from the kde menu [06:09] Start it from a terminal and see what it outputs. [06:09] just type "acroread" in the term. [06:09] without the quotes [06:10] i get : [06:10] (acroread:7135): Pango-WARNING **: failed to find shape engine, expect ugly output. engine-type='PangoRenderFc', script='latin' [06:10] and (acroread:7135): Pango-WARNING **: failed to find shape engine, expect ugly output. engine-type='PangoRenderFc', script='common' [06:10] as warnings [06:11] and then it starts up with boxes galore [06:11] Nazgul (n=Nazgul@2001:5c0:1504:e800:0:0:0:3) left ##slackware. [06:11] for some reason after seeing the word "Pango" I want to bust out with Wango Tango [06:11] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [06:12] lol [06:13] do i need to run fontconfig or something [06:13] hear ya,quasar...nothin' like classic Nugent..:D [06:13] l0lwut: what does "ls -l /var/log/packages/pango*" output? [06:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7343 2009-09-01 17:19 /var/log/packages/pango-1.22.4-x86_64-4 [06:14] and what have you done after you built everything? [06:14] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2835 2009-09-05 02:58 /var/log/packages/pango-compat32-1.22.4-x86_64-4 [06:14] you are missing a pkg [06:14] I guess not [06:14] run as root "ldconfig -v" [06:14] i did what the instructions told me to lol [06:15] too much output!!!! [06:15] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:15] not, it's linking libraries [06:15] good to have output [06:15] don't post it, just enjoy ;) [06:15] did you want me to pastebin the output? [06:16] on dive's website [06:16] ;) [06:16] still not working :-( [06:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:16] l0lwut: it might be A Good Thing (TM) for you not to be so trusting. [06:16] l0lwut: Have you got pango_sdl installed? [06:16] Someone can give you a command to run to fubar your system. [06:17] All commands have manual pages. [06:17] man ldconfig: /sbin/ldconfig - configure dynamic linker run-time bindings [06:18] mlanden, how can i check? [06:18] MLanden: I don't have it installed [06:18] /bin/ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/pango_sdl*: No such file or directory [06:18] and I don't have the problem [06:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [06:18] hold on....reverse that.... sdl_pango...:D [06:18] Bassist (i=1000@129.187.98.77) joined ##slackware. [06:18] check if packages are installed: "ls /var/log/packages/" [06:19] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:19] Hey all, I have trouble recording stuff with my mic [06:19] MLanden: ditto: /bin/ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/sdl_pango*: No such file or directory [06:19] Bassist: me, too [06:19] I've turned up all alsamixer levels, but can't hear anything with arecord [06:19] can't use skype on the laptop because of that problem [06:19] I can hear myself talking through the headphones, but recording is a lost cause [06:19] mingdao: Any idea what to do? [06:19] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:19] Bassist: no, but I will be watching what they tell you. [06:20] Bassist: try the Skype test call service [06:20] Ok guys, so two frustrated Skype users need some help [06:20] mingdao: Been doing that for 20 minutes [06:20] I had the same experience. [06:20] Do you have a T61? [06:20] No, Lenovo 3000 N100 [06:20] close [06:21] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:21] So some new output popped up http://pastebin.ca/1554772 [06:22] since Pango is a text engine...sdl_pango connects that engine to SDL.. http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/SDL_Pango/ [06:24] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@h-160-193.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:24] MLanden: I don't mean to argue, but I don't have sdl_pango and have been using acroread since late May [06:24] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [06:25] zbs549 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Nick change: zbs549 -> fxq542 [06:26] http://pastebin.ca/1554773 [06:26] l0lwut: just wondering ... does Acrobat launch or not? [06:26] mingdao, yeah [06:26] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:26] Nick change: fxq542 -> Riley [06:27] mingdao, it seems to be running fine [06:27] mingdao, I think it might just be a font thing,, [06:27] l0lwut: open a file ... and do you still get the squares? [06:28] sorry 'bout that,mingdao [06:28] MLanden: can you go forward with him please [06:28] no problem at all [06:28] files are fine [06:28] MLanden: could the libs come from somewhere else? [06:29] but the actual application all the numbers and letters in it still squares [06:29] I have a lot of other things installed that he doesn't. [06:31] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:32] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:33] mingdao, does the info in http://pastebin.ca/1554772 mean anything? [06:33] pango-querymodules > '/etc/pango/pango.modules' [06:33] try it [06:33] doesnt help [06:33] i did [06:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:34] so you have an /etc/pandp/pango.modules file now? [06:34] yeah [06:34] need som help with ktorrent and home folder [06:34] and i continue to get the error [06:35] ktorrent tells me that it cant create dir in the selected home/download folder [06:35] what are the perms of home/download ? [06:35] no matter the access rights , it keeps telling me it cannot create dirs [06:35] Eric, a lots of thanks for making this slackware64 in its stable existence. [06:36] I have the usual home access right [06:36] and now I gave all groups and users access rights, still no luck [06:36] just guessing ... because here /home and /home/mingdao don't have the same perms [06:36] checked and corrected that but still. [06:37] Well I have to tell, that I just moved the home folder [06:38] start ktorrent up as root and see if you can do it [06:38] I formatted and older ext3 to ext4. Mounted the new partition as /mnt/tmp [06:38] moved home folder to there [06:38] than edited fstab to mount this as /home [06:38] restarted and OK [06:39] FF can download with no problem, just Ktorrent wont [06:40] mhh I did edit the permissons on /mnt/tmp and set my home folder to my username and group inc. Subfolders [06:40] Basic question: I want to compile a single module (uvesafb) without recompiling the whole kernel [06:40] How do I do that? [06:41] I've googled and got 15 different answers [06:41] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:41] lets see [06:42] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-226-231.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [06:42] dkb759 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Nick change: dkb759 -> reu637 [06:42] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:42] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-226-231.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Nick change: reu637 -> Riley [06:42] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:43] you can make a mini makefile for it [06:43] then cp it over to lib/modules [06:44] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:44] l0lwut: how did you install acroread? [06:45] shpendk (n=shpendk@82.114.66.26) left irc: "Java user signed off" [06:46] mingdao, using a slackbuild [06:46] then installpkg [06:46] mhhh strange, the torrent file used to start with /final/torrentfile : wont work, donwloading another torrent works. so must be false alarm [06:46] mancha: I have a uvesafb.ko now in the kernel tree, copied it over to the corresponding folder in /lib/modules/ [06:46] mancha: But modprobe uvesafb fails [06:46] well, that might be the problem l0lwut ;) [06:46] cool. modprobe it [06:47] mingdao, so umm...what did i do wrong? [06:47] l0lwut: I can't say because I have no clue about the SlackBuild or source you used. [06:47] l0lwut: This is what I did, and always do ... [06:47] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/adobe-reader/ [06:47] mancha: FATAL: Module uvesafb not found. [06:48] I got the source -> AdbeRdr9.1.1-1_i486linux_enu.tar.bz2; untarred it, cd to AdobeReader and ran "sudo ./INSTALL --install_path=/usr/bin/" [06:48] I copied it to both module directories in 2.9.29.6 and 2.9.29.6-smp [06:48] l0lwut: I don't use those scripts. Bad experiences with them. [06:48] mingdao, really? this is the first problem I have ever had with it [06:49] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [06:49] depmod Bass [06:49] alright im going to remove it and try it your way [06:49] depmod -a or summit [06:49] mancha: BAM [06:50] l0lwut: that script is just repacking the binary from Adobe [06:50] mancha: Thanks :) I forgot about that [06:50] no problem-ph [06:50] l0lwut: it is also different source than I have, so it might have some different requirements [06:50] mingdao, where did you get yours? [06:50] l0lwut: that pkg uses AdbeRdr9.1.2-1_i486linux_enu.tar.bz2 and I used AdbeRdr9.1.1-1_i486linux_enu.tar.bz2 [06:50] I got it from Adobe [06:51] did you make your own little makefile? [06:51] mancha: Yeah, found a link on how to do that [06:52] ah, cause i was gonna send you the one i made eons ago, but you saved me the trouble of looking [06:52] mingdao, on adobe's website they are hosting 9.1.2 [06:52] mancha: Thanks anyway [06:52] l0lwut: did you by chance install acroread before the multilib pkgs? [06:53] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Well, I'll go test this new framebuffer [06:53] See ya [06:53] Bassist (i=1000@129.187.98.77) left irc: "Leaving" [06:53] mingdao, nope [06:55] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:56] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:56] l0lwut: I don't know what more to tell you atm. I just know what I've done, and don't have that error. [06:56] so I installed it by hand and got the same problem. this is annoying lol [06:56] l0lwut: maybe read the ChangeLog from 9.1.1-1 to 9.1.2-1 [06:57] l0lwut: or ask MLanden to come back and help you? [06:57] before installing by hand did you removepkg the other one? [06:57] i'll try [06:57] thanks mate [06:57] yeah [06:58] l0lwut: which slackware are you using 32 or 64? [06:58] 64 with multilib [06:58] this is probably a stupid question but if installed it from a .bin file how do i uninstall it? [06:58] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [07:00] l0lwut: /bin/UNINSTALL [07:00] l0lwut: not all source does that [07:02] I installed it to /usr/bin and all that is there is a file called acroread [07:02] veg666 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] Nick change: veg666 -> gsy821 [07:02] but i just used ./acroread.bin or what ever it was called [07:02] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:02] Nick change: gsy821 -> Riley [07:04] Can I use sudoers, for a different purpose? I'm root and I have to run a command with lower privileges (for example of a user XYZ) [07:06] l0lwut: Is there an entry in pkgtool for adobe-reader? [07:06] mingdao, so i cant figure out how to uninstall this.. [07:06] nope [07:10] if you're root and want to execute blah as user notleet, then su notleet -c blah [07:10] mlanden, this is ridiculous [07:11] l0lwut: in tmp..is the SBo folder still there? [07:12] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:12] no [07:12] if you used installpkg why isn't removepkg working? [07:12] it was way down in /usr/bin/adobe/reader/bin/uninstal [07:12] i used installpkg the first time [07:13] the second time i just installed from biniary [07:13] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:14] ok [07:14] look in /var/log/removedpackages for it [07:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.224.132) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:14] then look at what files were removed, and find them and remove them on your current system. note the paths nmight not all be the same [07:14] I got it [07:14] uninstalled [07:14] how? [07:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.224.132) joined ##slackware. [07:16] under /usr/bin/adobe/reader9/bin/ there was an UNINSTALL script [07:17] I dont understand why this has to be so ahrd lol [07:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:19] l0lwut: remember? /bin/UNINSTALL [07:19] l0lwut: now match that to what you just posted [07:20] mingdao, yeah yeah, lol. I was just looking for acroread as the instal dir not Adobe >_< [07:20] mingdao, so I tried installing 9.1.1 to see if it was just an update that my system didnt like and it still isnt working [07:22] nannes yes you can sudo to lose privs [07:23] Quiznos: [07:23] ˙@: lolcahost /opt/irc/services/lulz # sudo -g unrealircd -u unrealircd ./services [07:23] @: Sorry, user root is not allowed to execute './services' as unrealircd:unrealircd on lolcahost. [07:23] l0lwut: I am sorry that I can't help you fix it. I don't know anything more. [07:24] l0lwut: you did a clean install of Slackware64-13.0 and you are using newer multilib packages than I. [07:24] l0lwut: good to see you got it install...sorry if I wasn't of more help [07:24] l0lwut: But I know who can help you. [07:24] s/install/uninstalled [07:24] l0lwut: You catch alienBOB here, or post a thread at LQ. [07:24] yeah Im typin up a thread on LQ right now [07:24] nannes invoke openvt -s -l -w /bin/login [07:25] its 420 in the morning and i need some sleep lol [07:25] good ... what is your nick there? the same? [07:25] nah its, stevenmnance there [07:26] I'll check for it, and if alienBOB hasn't seen it or replied by Mon, I'll ask him to look. [07:26] ok [07:26] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] thanks man [07:26] Quiznos: nothing, thanks cmq [07:26] l0lwut: Inquire with pprkut as well for the work around in 64bit if there is one [07:26] resolved [07:26] nannes huh [07:26] ? [07:26] *solved [07:26] ok [07:27] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [07:27] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [07:29] Thanks for all the help guys [07:30] good luck,l0lwut [07:32] Nick change: dr_breaudelle -> kbrd [07:32] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [07:34] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Client Quit [07:35] Netu (n=jannesil@shell.evtek.fi) joined ##slackware. [07:37] kbrd (n=Dr_Sungl@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: "leaving" [07:38] quick question [07:39] anyone using legacy96 nvidia drivers? [07:39] just installed them on a fresh install of Slackware64-13.0 [07:39] And also have them on a Slackware-13.0 box. [07:39] Or maybe not legacy 96? [07:40] sh /server2/peter/anna/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.20-pkg2.run [07:40] I think the other box has NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.18-pkg2.run or so [07:40] mingdao: the ones you're using are for latest cards. mine is geforce2 :) [07:40] Bassist (i=1000@c058.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) joined ##slackware. [07:41] mingdao: Anyone solve the mic problem yet? [07:41] Bassist: I been in and out ... haven't seen anything. [07:41] kbrd (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [07:41] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:41] oic john_dee ... I thought the 96 looked different [07:42] Intel HD Audio, anything sent through a mic is audible, but recording is not possible under Slackware 13, and Skype is useless [07:42] Any ideas? [07:45] nhp973 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Nick change: nhp973 -> aap874 [07:48] is there any analog to removepkg by set? [07:49] i want to remove everything except a/ and n/ [07:51] try slackpkg [07:51] slackpkg remove a, slackpkg remove n [07:52] ah, shit [07:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:52] except a and n, anyway, slackpkg will help you [07:53] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:53] neither the pkgtools nor slackpkg are setup to do so, an after an install there is no #set# info in var/log to group filenames in that set-order. [07:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:53] it's either one-by-one or all. [07:54] or use some other tool to select some; i use mc but it's still not what i want. [07:56] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:57] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.30.134) joined ##slackware. [08:00] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:00] alexzyp (n=alexzyp@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [08:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:01] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:01] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. 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[08:34] hi i am using slackware64 and i installed alienBob's multilib packages. when i compile an app from source, if i just ./configure, make, make install, will it make a 64bit version of the software? [08:37] blkdg: did you read his instructions? [08:38] hey guys could a non-english-speaking native one type an 'echo $MANPATH'? [08:38] Read http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib blkdg [08:39] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Yo people, [08:39] anyone here having serious issues with X11, hal and udev with slack13 ? [08:39] (having a non-USenglish system locale I mean) [08:41] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:43] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] morning [08:47] mingdao, clearly not :) [08:48] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] ok, let me try this again, after reading. i have slackware64 + alienBob's multilib. i want a copy of xvidcap. so do i get xvidcap source and slackbuild from alien's repo, and then change ARCH=${ARCH:-i486} to ARCH=${ARCH:-x86_64} ?then make my own slackbuild then install it? [09:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] http://www.stairporn.org/ ^^ [09:02] blkdg: you could even use alienBOB's xvidcap.SlackBuild [09:02] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Or use ARCH=x86_64 foo.Slackbuild [09:03] blkdg: it's a bit old ... don't know the latest version -> http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/xvidcap/build/ [09:04] thanks gm152 and mingdao [09:04] blkdg: I think you said it correctly ... ;) [09:05] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:06] gm152, ./ARCH=x86_64 xvidcap.Slackbuild doesn't work. dir error [09:07] Try this ARCH=x86_64 ./xvidcap.Slackbuild [09:07] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:08] Recent SlackBuilds have been scripted to use either a 32 or 64 bit arch by use of the LIBSUFFIXDIR variable. [09:08] if i have a usb wireless adapter that works under linux 32 bit... will it work when i install it on a 64 bit machine? [09:09] Yes, providing you have 64 bit drivers available for it. [09:09] Why would it not work you think? [09:10] it's building the slackpackage now [09:10] I thought the same thing ... that maybe the firmware would break under the different $ARCH. [09:10] ok - i was told (and tell me if i am stupid for taking this on board) that a 32 bit program will work on 64 bit, but it wont work the other way round [09:10] jake, that's basically true. [09:11] jake: you were telling aboutn installing a USB adapter. You did not mention installing software [09:11] Yep, but you'll need the 32 bit libs (multilib) in a 64 bit environment. [09:11] alienBOB, it's different?? [09:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] jake: ..... [09:11] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] If you plug in a USB adapter in a computer running a 64bit OS, the 64bit drivers will be loaded by the OS [09:12] alienBOB, what i mean is, (i know software and hardware are different) that if it can interact with 32 bit software... what cant it communicate with 32 bit hardware? [09:13] Anyway, with Atheros madwifi+ath5k drivers, I find they work in either 32 or 64. The only USB WNIC I ever had, zd1211rw, was only tried under 32-bit. [09:13] Unless there is no driver support for the card, and then you have to find a 64bit driver, or compile driver source (which will automatically compiled as a 64bit binary on a 64bit OS) [09:13] jake: 32bit hardware?? [09:13] I think maybe he's thinking "firmware". [09:13] oh dear lord what am i talking about [09:14] Firmware is not architecture dependent [09:14] Firmware is loaded into the card's memory. [09:14] Not run by the OS [09:14] you guys got my point at least - and i have an answer - even if you dont know what the question was supposed to be :D [09:15] is there any harm in having the 32 bit libraries on a 64 bit arch? will it cause me any problems further down the line? [09:16] As long as they're in a different directory than where the 64 bit libs are stored. [09:16] No problem. [09:16] jake from my limited understanding that's what happens with alienBob's multilib support [09:16] 32 bit libs are typically stored in /usr/lib. 64 bit libs in /usr/lib64 [09:18] blkdg: firmware goes into /lib/firmware [09:18] But what you said was correct [09:18] ok, the slackbuild made this xvidcap-1.1.7-x86_64-1alien.tgz and then in installed it, but i can't run it from the command line. [09:18] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] xvidcap when i use 'which' [09:19] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] _bruno (n=bruno@201-68-67-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:22] ok, here's what i did, in the original slackbuilds script ichanged the ARCH line, then i ran the script, then ran installpkg . still no xvidcap application? anyone? [09:22] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:22] Any errrors? [09:22] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:23] yes for documentation [09:24] one sec [09:24] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [09:24] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: Client Quit [09:25] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:25] http://pastebin.ca/1554917 [09:25] those are the only errors i can see [09:26] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [09:26] make any sense [09:26] It appears the Slackbuild script was built despite errors during compilation or linking. [09:27] mupi (n=mupi@lk.92.63.17.252.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:27] what is the difference between desktop-file-utils and xdg-utils? [09:27] cool [09:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Connection timed out [09:29] at least regarding desktop files [09:31] ok then time to cut the grass. [09:32] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.19.237) joined ##slackware. [09:32] anyone have advice regarding building xvidcap on slackware64 + multilib ? [09:32] ok then [09:32] thanks again folks [09:32] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:35] lol - he waited 10 seconds? [09:35] j0z (n=JESUS@200.146.11.69.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:35] do users usually have a copy of the slackware dist tree on their hd? [09:36] or the slackware/ tree? [09:36] I do excluding source. [09:36] k [09:36] anyone else? [09:36] I personally keep one in /home/ftp/ [09:36] k [09:36] I use it to install, and upgrade [09:37] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] do you think it's common with slackists? 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[10:16] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-76-169.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] morning MLanden [10:19] mornin',hitest...how's it goin'? [10:20] it is going well, MLanden:) just finished my 4th cup of java. how are you? [10:20] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:20] i finsihed two carafes of cofee today [10:20] awesome [10:21] amateur :) [10:21] heh [10:21] ha-ha [10:21] i'm ready to sleep soon [10:21] i hope [10:21] hitest: any sign of global warming/cooling there this summer? [10:21] NetNightmare (n=netnight@dynamic-adsl-94-37-251-160.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Doin' great on pot( o'coffee) #2....:D [10:21] gnubien afaik, cooling. and i'm in fla. moderate summer generally. [10:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) joined ##slackware. [10:21] gnubien: yep. our province had the hottest days this summer on record. [10:22] there were alot of volcanoes spitting this year too [10:22] that's gonna have big effect on weather [10:23] BC coastline is in the ring of fire,right hitest [10:23] hitest: how hot? 30 C ? [10:23] yes [10:23] yep [10:23] gnubien: 34 C [10:23] wow, hot [10:23] w0rd [10:23] there was a vol. spitting in Alaska and down on the pacific isles too [10:23] i think [10:24] Quiznos: http://volcanism.wordpress.com/feed/ [10:24] i do know that there are quakes everyday around oz, india and the isles down there. [10:24] gnubien tyvm i prefer usgs feeds; but i dont konw if they have vol feeds [10:25] Quiznos: are you a rockhound? [10:25] armchair. :) [10:25] good idea :) [10:25] i do enjoy learning What God has done. [10:25] why? [10:26] Quiznos: there's a usgs url for earthquakes too [10:26] i get that alredy [10:26] do you know what Polonium circles are? [10:26] Quiznos: not too many quakes in florida :) [10:26] rare [10:27] we haz won hear ! [10:27] where? [10:27] Quiznos: an upwelling of polonium that forms a circle? [10:27] daydream (n=daydream@c-69-143-67-38.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:28] heh; Polonium is an element found in granite; polonium has a very small half-life, iinm. the circles are formed before the expiration of the half-life. [10:28] why can't I shift-pageup ?! [10:28] man cannot do this and granite took a long time to cool. [10:28] google it [10:29] Quiznos: iirc read a article at http://www.physorg.com/ about some upwelling from the mantle [10:29] quasar pressing wrong button? [10:29] kool [10:30] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:30] gnubien do you know where the flood of Noah's day began? [10:30] nope.. got two tabs in Konsole.. one I can shift-pageup, the other has scrollbar seemingly stuck in the middle of the scroll-pane (is that what they're called?) .. can't scroll it with the mouse either [10:30] scroll lock? [10:31] ESC [10:31] or LRshift [10:31] wouldn't that affect both tabs? [10:31] Quiznos: from what i've read it is when the black sea was filled by the mediterranian sea [10:31] duno [10:32] gnubien no no no; that's Gilgamesh; purely local. Noah's flude was global and it began at the equator, centipetal forces (rotation); look at any relief globe at s. america, atlantic side; the stryations along the mountain ridge; they are horizontal instead of curving n. and s. of the equator. [10:33] centriptal [10:33] flude? [10:33] my spelink [10:33] eeeee nunciation [10:33] :) [10:33] the deluge is a myth [10:34] you're a irrational number [10:34] lol [10:34] there is global evidence for a global flude [10:35] just bc you're deluded into denying a deluge doesnt mean its deniable [10:35] :) [10:35] monstro (n=monstro@187.10.64.160) left irc: "Leaving" [10:35] that's called elision. [10:35] heh [10:35] another figero spish [10:35] Quiznos: there was a isthmus between turkey and europe that collapsed letting the mediterranean sea flood the black sea basin, the babylonian wrote about the flood first iirc [10:35] gnubien i know [10:35] but it's not global. [10:36] andnot related to Noah's flude [10:36] Quiznos: ok, what caused it, change in earths rotation? [10:36] which? [10:36] into the basin? [10:36] noah's flood [10:36] or the global? [10:36] sin has a real physical effect on everything. [10:37] directly and indirectly. [10:37] ah, bad karma did it ;) [10:37] yea, exactly. [10:37] "karma" is a proper modern word [10:37] "what goes around, comes around" [10:37] instant karma --john lennon [10:37] those are good restatements of what one's actions prodcues [10:37] heh [10:37] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [10:37] sometimes yea [10:38] Quiznos: when did noah's flood occur? [10:38] the flying spaghetti monster caused the flood, if humans had only hopped on one foot and tossed parmesean over their shoulders, it would have gone differently [10:38] about 1500 years after Adam's awakening [10:38] pi31415 heh [10:39] in the 600th year of Noah's life [10:39] Quiznos: DNA anthropology says caucasian came from 17 people who lived in the caucus mtns 75000 years ago [10:39] too big a number [10:39] Quiznos: caucasian people [10:40] there's also resaerch supporting everyone coming out of 8 people [10:40] Quiznos: ok, you use biblican dating? [10:40] such as it is, yes. [10:40] biblical [10:40] no, i like "biblican" :) [10:40] heh [10:40] Quiznos: are you orthodox? [10:40] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:40] i'm not a member of any sect; i just read/study [10:41] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] but, within what the word "orthodox" means, "right doctrine", i am. [10:41] Quiznos: if you were orthodox i'd ask you why the hell you are on irc on saturday ;) [10:41] heh; i'm not under law. :) [10:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology#Scientific_evidence_against_a_global_flood [10:42] ty pi31415 [10:42] oh hell no not again [10:42] NthDegree lol; i didnt start it!!!! [10:42] NthDegree not to worry; but pi31415 has taken up the contrarian POV for ya :) [10:43] http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AC3481305829426D&annotation_id=annotation_28238&feature=iv [10:43] Quiznos: so what is florida's karma in your opinion? [10:43] what's that one? [10:43] Anyone who believes in creationism, go watch that [10:43] gnubien a vision shown to George Washington; America, like the stars, shall not vanish. [10:44] Just click on "Play All Videos" and prepare to be amazed :P [10:44] ty NthDegree [10:44] Quiznos: "Why do people laugh at creatinists?" educational series on youtube [10:44] ty ken [10:44] sorry - "creationists" [10:44] lol [10:44] miss the `o'\ [10:44] +ed [10:44] let em laf; they dont have much time left. [10:44] All the pro-creationist arguments getting pwned by science :D [10:44] ok [10:44] yea - light-duty wireless keyboard [10:45] heh [10:45] and Posterboy for Creationist/Christian Stupidity and Posterboy for Islamic Stupidity are in it :D [10:45] who's that/them? [10:46] VenomFangX and some guy who talks about loads of snakes coming to bite you in hell, with one scorpion :P [10:46] i dont know them by those monikers [10:46] or anyone [10:46] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [10:47] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:47] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:47] "The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Albert Einstein [10:48] Not sure of accuracy, but it's in the quotes db as well [10:48] one of the few things he said correctly IMO [10:48] the more i study albert einstein, the more i believe in science... [10:48] the more i study God the more I believe him. [10:48] VenomFangX is a guy who false DMCAed a lot of people on YouTube [10:49] he got made by law to apologise :P [10:49] he falsely accused others of violatins? [10:49] yeps [10:49] wow [10:49] thomas dolby --blinded with science http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IlHgbOWj4o [10:49] i love that vid [10:49] from back in the day!!! [10:49] i have a copy of it here [10:49] firedix (n=firedix@host4.201-252-162.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:50] wango wango tango tango [10:50] cool 12" mix [10:50] Action: quasar headbangs n stuff [10:50] lol [10:50] to Dolby? [10:50] yeah [10:50] Action: Quiznos stammers, cant be done [10:52] MLanden what do you think is the percentage of slackers who have a copy of Slackware tree locally? [10:52] one or more versions or parts thereof? [10:53] moks107 (n=shim@84.255.155.179) left ##slackware. [10:53] I haven't had the chance to rsync yet, gimme a break >:| [10:53] never gave it much mind,Quiznos [10:53] ok [10:53] quasar do you have aprt or more locally? [10:53] aprt/part [10:54] MLanden how much do you have locally? [10:54] I have the DVD in my drive still, if that counts [10:54] yea [10:54] formatted all drives so I lost my rsync [10:54] bummer [10:54] haven't upgraded yet...still on 12.2 [10:54] but do you have any part of a version locally? [10:55] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:55] how can i check which kde version i use? [10:55] wouldn't 100% of slackers have some portion of it if we're counting CDs/dvds as well as rsyncs/etc? [10:56] probly with those conditions [10:56] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:56] than yes if counting cd/dvd's [10:56] i'm defining a new pkgtool based on slackware/ or source/ being local [10:56] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:56] k [10:56] jekkt: open any KDE program (ie: KMail) .. go Help -> About KDE [10:56] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] not everyone who downloads the install CDs downloads the source CDs [10:57] yea [10:57] thx [10:57] for my tool it can be binpkgs and/or srcpkgs [10:57] sitwon: didn't know we were talking about the source.. thought we were just talking about a "copy of the slackware tree" [10:58] the sets dir [10:58] quasar: my bad, I thought you meant the source tree. 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[11:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:58] NthDegree: that is an entertaining video playlist, thanks for sharing [11:58] anyone know the date on MPlayer_nolibdvdcss-r29390.tar.xz <-- that revision? [11:58] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [11:58] thats the slack mplayer [11:59] j4ck_ (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [11:59] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] nick jaxx [12:00] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.19.237) left irc: Client Quit [12:00] shik4nt414 (n=shik4nt4@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [12:00] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.40.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:01] 2009-06-26 01:48 danklesm1n [12:02] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [12:06] j4ck_ (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-206-211.epm.net.co) left ##slackware. [12:07] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.19.237) joined ##slackware. [12:07] thanks alienBOB ^_^ [12:08] i actaully just found the snv command to get it [12:08] svn* [12:12] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:12] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.19.237) left irc: Client Quit [12:13] conatic (n=ME@46.240-243-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Hi, is it possible to use authentification with openldap on Slackware ? [12:15] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] Slackware provides an openldap-client package. If you want to run slapd, you'll have to build it. If you're asking about nss_ldap, you can build that too, but IME it's buggy and potentially dangerous to use. A better choice might be pam_ldap, but in Slackware that would require building PAM and linking whatever else you want to use it. [12:20] If you expect a one-word answer, that would be "no". But if you know what you're doing, of course it can be done. [12:22] You can implement LDAP auth in Slackware without PAM if you control the LDAP server and are able to change the userPassword hashing method used as well as create a proxy user that is able to read the attribute [12:22] lvdveen (n=corencor@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:23] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-" [12:23] i hate mc-20090714-git [12:23] build 4.6.2 [12:23] or whatever that latest stable release is at the home page of mc [12:25] Nick change: omni_drunken_nap -> omnipotentduo [12:25] http://www.midnight-commander.org/downloads/3 [12:25] backstep to 12.2/mc complete [12:25] yay [12:26] the maintainer/fokker should be perma-flogd [12:26] he de-OFM'd mc [12:26] i modded the color.c in MC's source code to get rid of that awful blue background in everything [12:27] fErnandoMdx (i=960103@189.83.57.177) joined ##slackware. [12:27] line and new code pls? [12:27] Quiznos: you just installed the package from 12.2 on 13? [12:27] s0d0 (n=jdr@host86-175-233-162.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:27] i'm going backwards john [12:28] i can pastebin the section i changed so you can have a frame of reference [12:28] With mc, that might not be a bad idea. The old crew of coders were careful and deliberate. These new guys are likely to wreck it, IMO. [12:28] ty [12:28] rob0 agreed; i really should casti^H^H^H^H^Hwrite them [12:28] that's "castigate" if you dont know [12:29] i am afraid rob0 is correct [12:29] mc@gnome.org [12:29] ty [12:29] rob0: these new guys already did it %) [12:29] the biggest hateful change is that in 13's mc, you cant do "ask" && "all" at the same time; they made those two mutually exclusive [12:29] either or [12:29] they reintroduced a bug that was reported and fixed in 2006 ... :\ [12:30] whta bug? [12:30] http://pastebin.com/d68fe45dc [12:30] ty [12:30] Under the old crew, the mailing list was an awful place. That's the one nice change, they all are polite and friendly now. [12:30] Quiznos: the problem i had. it's somewhere on their bugtracker [12:31] i dont care if they're polite; they un-coded mc [12:31] lvdveen (n=corencor@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) left ##slackware. [12:31] o [12:31] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) joined ##slackware. [12:31] john_dee oh [12:31] it was loading for half a minute because it was trying to resolve interface name from smb.conf as a hostname. how do you like that? %) [12:31] heh [12:31] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:32] That was the thing: the old crew knew they had a fine piece of software, so they defended it. The new guys are tinkering like crazy. [12:33] yea [12:33] like a bunch of patch-happy debian developers [12:33] heh [12:33] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [12:33] zackly. [12:34] or rather patch-happy code monkeys = dont know when to leave well enough alone [12:34] prolaby [12:34] see now if they wanted to really do something [12:34] tey could change the logic in the ftp code to do less pre-reading of remote dir [12:34] that would speed things up [12:34] and implement multiple ftp streams too [12:35] at least it works better with UTF-8 [12:35] otherwise, the app is complete imo [12:36] and my mnu file is gone again [12:36] and ext probly too [12:36] damn that sucks [12:36] secwarrior (n=secwarri@122.252.180.252) joined ##slackware. [12:37] holy shit, there was a plane crash here about 5min ago at the baseball field that I used to play at o.o [12:37] What is the best way to installl Openofffice.org 3.1.1? [12:37] secwarrior: very carefully (or use rworkman's packages.. or was it alien that had them?) [12:38] quasar where? [12:38] grab rworkman's package secwarrior (rlworkman.net) [12:38] Quiznos: Tulsa [12:38] hey guys is there any book releazed for slackware 13 [12:38] quasar when i get there to attend ORU, we might meet. [12:39] Quiznos: Chandler Park .. slight possibility that I know the pilot, wife used to run the concession stand [12:39] his wife* [12:39] nods [12:39] I'm lookihg thrice [12:39] oh man!! college football season!!! [12:39] ah, you'll probably meet my aunt.. she's one of the councellors there [12:39] CHEERLEADERS!!! [12:39] i'm not flying [12:39] s/probably/might/ [12:39] i stoped flying last century :) [12:39] too much bs with "show me your papers" [12:40] quasar /msg? [12:41] thanks thrice` [12:41] sure [12:41] http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11081324 [12:41] should b here in 3 hours 46 minutes [12:41] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] quasar: you live in Tulsa? [12:41] Pig_Pen: yeah [12:41] who's WKU football team? [12:42] playing Tenn [12:42] i live about 130 miles south of you, just outside Ada [12:42] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] been through there a time or two [12:42] My aunt was engaged to Oral Roberts' son, broke up with him. [12:42] hmm, maybe we can start the Slackist's LUG of greater Tulsa [12:42] heh [12:42] this of course was a LONG time ago. [12:43] as the Joker said, "wait till they get a look at me" [12:43] me to ORU [12:43] heh [12:43] oral roberts is a freaky baptist [12:43] heh [12:43] well he's not ceo anymore is he? [12:43] too old now [12:43] nods; Rob's running it [12:43] he's still having weird dreams though :) [12:43] 50 foot jesus,right Pig_Pen? [12:44] Action: quasar nods at MLanden [12:44] no no no, that's down in .Br [12:44] wku ~= western Kentucky u.? [12:44] people like that use religion to manipulate people for $$$$$$ [12:44] cant sqeeze a stone [12:44] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:44] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:44] but you can sqeez a tree and get a diamond [12:44] so there! [12:44] the government should make it illegal [12:45] it's alredy covered [12:45] fraud, or extortion [12:45] right,Quiznos...had to google that one...in Bowling Green,KY [12:45] ok wku is playing tenn [12:45] but the government wont because they like the cannon fodder too much [12:45] i get a little mad when people try to reprogram me [12:46] i usually just leave at earliest chance [12:46] i beat them with logic, and not the circular kind [12:46] nods [12:46] lots o orange on my tv [12:46] making me nostalgic for thankgiving [12:47] mmm i hear the drumline [12:47] ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL?!? [12:47] i think i'll try to watch this season [12:47] circular logic is dizzying [12:48] 0-score game [12:48] not me, not a sports fan, i rarely watch TV anymore, a little news & weather and an occasional old movie and cartoon [12:48] how to strech the image in mplayer while playing some video in the framebuffer mode? [12:48] console or in x? [12:48] Pig_Pen yea [12:48] console [12:48] i'm just a simple spectator [12:49] winter cant afaik [12:49] so spectate [12:49] i do [12:49] that' the word i use too :) [12:49] mplayer -zoom -xy 1024 -fs /path/to/video/file [12:49] it should be possible.. [12:49] ok [12:49] try pig's [12:50] tyvm [12:50] that did it? [12:50] you can adjust the 1024 if needed [12:50] winter does your mplayer take over all the consoles when you try to switch? [12:51] yes, it does [12:51] k [12:51] i think that's a bug [12:51] in logic [12:51] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [12:51] or code call [12:51] possibly in the kernel's video code [12:52] secwarrior (n=secwarri@122.252.180.252) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] Pig_Pen: yes, i did it [12:52] coolbeans [12:52] have to stai in console untill i'll buy a new graphic card [12:52] someone got a suggestion for me, I flailing here... how can I mount an "SFS" partition? it was created as a dynamic disk in windows, and I know for a fact I was able to mount this partition in backtrack4 prefinal [12:53] lvm? [12:53] win dyndisks are equivalent to lvm, arent they? [12:53] yea [12:53] im on slackware 13.0 64bit, if that helps any [12:53] i guess, i never mess with those and just make static disk partitions [12:54] vantechq (n=art@216.6.155.17) joined ##slackware. [12:54] but it does sound like an lvm/lvm2 thing [12:54] ive been searching google, but nothing i've found actually works for me yet =( [12:54] explore with lvm tools [12:55] Quiznos: ahhh, i never messed with lvm, I will try this route [12:55] Quiznos: thanks for the suggestion [12:56] ya know, i once got intro info from ORU, one of their rules made me laf; "no hair colored with color not found in nature" [12:56] yw [12:56] every color is found in nature [12:56] Roy G. Biv! [12:56] is dolphin a critical part of kde-4? or can it be left out? [12:56] i think i might become the purple smurf before i attend; or after. [12:56] i duno :) [12:56] Nick change: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf [12:57] Action: PurpleSmurf stretches; yea that's the fit. [12:57] just think if all the females used pink hair dye, and the boys all did blue hair die [12:57] my momy reminded me that back in the 90s one of my sister's colored her hair magenta [12:57] lol [12:58] wow i am thinking about dying my hair [12:58] kool; what shade? [12:58] maybe i'll do a mohawk stripe [12:58] i am thinking gray or white [12:58] of purple [12:58] ok [12:58] kannan (n=kann@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [12:58] like racebannon white [12:58] Action: thrice` would be fired for having purple hair [12:58] do a spiked mowhawk [12:59] nah; i dont have that look [12:59] hello, i want to run tftp server on slack 12.1 , which pkg to install for this one? [12:59] that would mean cutting mah hair [12:59] guys my samba tell me: NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED .why? [12:59] tftp [12:59] PurpleSmurf , thanks, is it available in Slack source itself or have to dload ? [13:00] it's in n/ set [13:00] PurpleSmurf , thanks again [13:00] yw [13:01] ERORRO two many erorros ! [13:01] from what? [13:01] brain.sys :( [13:01] turn it off [13:01] kk, brb ! [13:02] ooo tundar [13:02] tenn v. west.kent.u, 7-0 [13:02] or I will fire on you? [13:03] you can try [13:03] i just found a 4 cd set of slackware linux 9.1 [13:03] band of brothers quote [13:04] and maybe SPR too [13:04] conatic (n=ME@46.240-243-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: [13:04] i threw out everything older than Slackware-11 [13:04] heh, that was the first time i ever used linux [13:05] har_ (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Has anybody gotten Slackware 13.0 as a Virtualbox guest? I installed the guest addons from slackbuilds.org, but I can't get X to resize with the window. [13:06] tenn interception [13:06] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:06] 8.0 was my first slackware, i installed it and broke it in less than a week trying to tweak settings, after about 3 trys i finally learned to be more careful with customized installs & config settings [13:06] oh man, wku player droped the ball [13:06] Nick change: har_ -> har [13:07] tenn td [13:07] from the 17 [13:07] 13-0 tenn [13:07] this is a good active game [13:07] 14-0 goal point [13:08] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [13:09] mexican chinchila revolution; lol [13:09] thats almost as dangerous as kowalas [13:09] heh [13:09] yea some commercial [13:09] "when good chinchilas go bad" [13:10] jesus [13:10] yes? [13:10] bbl [13:10] k [13:10] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:12] for give me [13:12] haha [13:12] ) [13:12] debating what movie i want to see [13:12] what decade? [13:13] tundar [13:13] doesnt particularly matter; something with computers and everyone panicking because some kid beat them at their own game [13:13] lol [13:13] well there is the obv choice [13:13] wait never mind i have seen too many of those recently [13:13] action is a good choice [13:13] you couldnt watch the girl again? [13:14] heh [13:14] wargames ! [13:14] of course [13:14] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] wargames is a CLASSIC hacker movie [13:14] no, i know; the one with angelina jolie; before the surgury [13:14] Action: quasar goes to find a .. erm .. "local video store" with a copy to borrow :D [13:14] that's alittle more surreal to me [13:14] what's that flick she did? [13:15] hackers? [13:15] yea it is Hackers' [13:15] i thought you named the other hacker movie wit hte broderick [13:15] crash n burn.. such a lovely couple... I cry every time I watch it [13:15] with [13:15] i love hackers [13:15] that was her best look IMMHO [13:15] cerial killer [13:15] Operation Takedown? [13:16] her sexyist [13:16] OH YES [13:16] or what about a Tomb raider (i havent seen them yet) [13:16] no [13:16] but the look is umm, ahem. [13:16] interesting [13:16] heh [13:17] Action: quasar goes back to trying to figure out why he didn't make packages when he compiled KDE4.3 [13:17] ah, right.. because I'm a dumbass [13:17] self-confessing to [13:17] too [13:18] if I hadn't I'd just be a dumbass in denial.. which is worse :\ [13:18] NicePics13 (n=Bob@i030162.gprs.dnafinland.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:18] nods [13:20] so did we come up with a movie [13:20] hi guys where i can get slackware 23 64 bit iso [13:20] 23 already?! [13:20] hi guys where i can get slackware 13 bit iso [13:20] omgomgomg [13:20] i've been dead [13:20] 13 bit?! O.O [13:20] jesus, have you come [13:20] rubs eyes....damn [13:20] slackware.mirrors.tds.net? [13:20] i'm here [13:20] hi guys where i can get slackware 13 64-bit iso [13:20] where's Rip? [13:20] slackware.mirrors.tds.net? [13:20] haha [13:21] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [13:21] slackware.com has a nice torrent you could use also [13:21] i just laughed so freaking hard [13:21] why? [13:21] go with the torrent it's so much faster [13:21] tenn/wku, 21-0 [13:21] dunno,PurpleSmurf...prolly on line toot [13:21] i dont want to use torrent [13:21] heh [13:21] i'm not repeating a 3rd time [13:21] goto that url [13:21] damnit :) [13:21] lmgtfy.com anyone? [13:22] duno what that means [13:22] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [13:22] lmgtfy = let me google that for you. A site intended for peopel who are too stupid to use google themselves. [13:23] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:23] lol [13:23] ah [13:23] like jfgoogleit? [13:23] BP{k} I see lmgtfy used for people who are too lazy to hold silent or hold a real discussion [13:23] wow i'm in full Thanksgiving day mode with all the orange on the screen @Tenn [13:23] where'd he go? [13:23] did we scare him off? [13:24] oh lookie, KDE4.3.1 packages :o [13:24] nop [13:24] he's here [13:24] pretty much the same thing, yes. [13:24] x86_64 even [13:24] wait pumplins? [13:24] pumkins [13:24] BP{k}, if I ask a simple question, someone can give me a link with my question pasted into a lmgtfy URL [13:24] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:25] ./msg pumpkins1979 get back here; :) ##Slackware, we're not done talking about you :) [13:25] lol [13:25] BP{k}, if that link is not helpful, then what is it that I am letting the other person do? [13:25] BP{k}, have a laugh at my expense and nothing more [13:26] haha @PurpleSmurf [13:26] :> [13:26] pi31415: alternatively you could have thus googled it yourself :P [13:26] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] is it my hardware that's farting with sand or nvidia's driver 2d performance is terrible? [13:27] BP{k} in almost every case that I have been pointed to lmgtfy, I already had googled it myself, and found that it was not helpful [13:27] Action: PurpleSmurf sniffs [13:27] i duno [13:27] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.19.237) joined ##slackware. [13:27] pi, I missed the question, but a general thought: if your question had indicated that you had looked for answers, it's less likely to be met with answers like jfgi / lmgtfy. [13:27] pi, you in the sandbox [13:28] heh [13:28] Looks like running Xscreensaver and xfce4-power-manager together is no good. Had no display power saving before removing xscreensaver. [13:28] NicePics13 setterm to adjust power modes; manpage it [13:28] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_afk [13:29] guys, is it possible to forward X11 on a remote machine to one of your local computer's virtual terminals ([ctrl]+[alt]+[f1-12]) via ssh? [13:30] you forward x to another box running a gui; not a tty [13:30] rob0: that is good advice, though i could see the preamble fitting in the "don't ask to ask" category [13:30] Strangelove (n=Barabbas@172-172-222-85.adsl.verat.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] firedix_ (n=firedix@host136.201-252-157.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:31] bbs [13:32] PurpleSmurf: of course.. bad definition from my side :) although, would it be possible? [13:32] v3gard: Possible, sure. How to do it? Uh, I think it would need a lot of coding, and end up not being useful. [13:32] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:33] One thing you CAN do pretty easily, run a remote XDMCP server (kdm or similar), and connect a local X display to it. [13:33] rule out the basic questions, and you only get advanced questions. if advanced questions are too hard to answer, then you may get more casual and off-topic conversation. this might be good for people who manage big irc channels. [13:34] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:34] ask people to quiet down if they get too off-topic and you have silence, which is easy to manage [13:36] PurpleSmurf: I meant I blindly installed every app in xap and xscreensaver's blank screen hindered xfce4's power management from actually turning my lcd OFF [13:36] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:38] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] Dark_Wizard (n=Dark_Wiz@89.104.115.102) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Dark_Wizard (n=Dark_Wiz@89.104.115.102) left ##slackware ("#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)"). [13:40] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Dark_Wizard (n=Dark_Wiz@89.104.115.102) joined ##slackware. [13:40] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] b [13:44] c [13:44] woops, focus follows mouse fail. [13:44] q ! [13:45] :wqa! [13:46] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:47] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: "leaving" [13:47] y0 fire|bird...chillin' for the afternoon...how're you? [13:47] hey MLanden, doing great, thanks. :) [13:48] firedix (n=firedix@host4.201-252-162.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] sounds great,fire|bird [13:49] Action: Zordrak is back from birthday camping. [13:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:49] hey Zordrak [13:49] gear,zordrak [13:50] Zordrak: happy (perhaps belated) birthday then :) [13:50] NNightmare (n=netnight@dynamic-adsl-94-37-251-160.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [13:50] howdy BP{k} [13:50] fire|bird: howdy :) [13:50] BP{k}: thx :) [13:50] Nick change: omni_afk -> omnipotentduo [13:50] Zordrak: what part of the world? [13:50] The great news: My blog FINALLY got indexed by google :) [13:50] firedix_ (n=firedix@host136.201-252-157.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:50] pi31415: middle england [13:51] Zordrak: haha, that sure took long enough, to get indexed. :P [13:51] fortune for this login: "f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng." [13:51] Zordrak: don't tell me you're a brummie? ;) [13:51] alisonken1home: I can read it. :) \o/ [13:51] BP{k}: Very no. [13:51] so can I - and half the texter's out there :) [13:52] Zordrak: hehe. [13:52] fire|bird: I think the sitemap plugin helped a lot [13:52] old fortune [13:52] Zordrak: did you camp in a tent? [13:52] yes [13:52] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [13:55] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] mlanden, you remember that problem I was having with acroread last night/this morning? [13:56] ShamwowVideoProf (n=matrix@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] hi all! :) [13:56] so i just got told ALL slackware users are elitists. [13:56] we are. [13:56] yeah [13:57] slack is for linux meatheads [13:57] and then after that i got told that slackware users WON'T give any kind of help to anyone. [13:57] i laughed [13:57] firedix (n=firedix@host84.200-117-198.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:57] nah i help [13:57] "stfw" and "rtfm" aren't helping? o.O [13:58] yeah,l0lwut [13:58] just reboot when something is broken or not doing what you want [13:58] my #1 advice [13:58] mlanden, all that work and the problem was that I hadnent restarted after installing the multilibs [13:58] mlanden, Its so dumb!! [13:58] haha. If you come to me AFTER you have read the manual, i will help with the limited knowledge i have [13:58] shamwowvideoprof, where were you last night!!! [13:58] I could have used that advice lol [13:59] congrats on the solution,l0lwut [13:59] i feel retarded lol [13:59] its lolwut not l0l [13:59] so did anyone find that ISO for slack 23 13bit? [13:59] it was l0lwut last night [13:59] s/l0lwut/lolwut [14:00] ?? [14:00] s/? [14:00] you mean /s for you 4chan people [14:00] lol [14:01] seriously this guy came in looking for slack 23 64 bit then he was looking for the 13 bit version after [14:01] nah...always a learning experience,lolwut...found out more about the difference between pango 32bit and pango's newer 64-bit libs [14:01] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) joined ##slackware. [14:01] 23 64? [14:01] WANGO TANGO ! [14:01] I use a 16_32! [14:01] haha [14:01] x16_32 i mean [14:01] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] rather x32_64 [14:01] haha [14:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] no wait! x86_64! [14:02] x86_64 maybe? [14:02] lol [14:02] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) joined ##slackware. [14:02] slack x86_64 uses me [14:02] [in bed] [14:02] [on the couch] [14:02] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:02] [in the car] [14:03] slack never uses anything. its the one and only distro that you can control ALL THE TIME without shit going on behind your back like ubuntu [14:03] [in the ditch] [14:03] russian reversals [14:03] or debian. or arch. or anything [14:03] [on a motorcycle] [14:03] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) joined ##slackware. [14:03] [up a tree] [14:03] yes, ubuntu secretly has a conspiracy to murder you and your children [14:03] arch gives you full control as well [14:03] now LFS isn't too bad ;) [14:03] well yeah [14:03] well chakra does [14:03] at a degree [14:03] bye all! [14:03] ShamwowVideoProf (n=matrix@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:04] I feel the same way about akonadi [14:04] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) joined ##slackware. [14:04] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:04] hi all. [14:05] oh hai ! [14:05] 'ello poppet [14:05] i have a small problem logging in with my limited account. [14:06] when i enter the password the bash is like that <"I have no name!"@mymachine [14:06] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [14:06] did you use the adduser or useradd? [14:06] NetNightmare (n=netnight@dynamic-adsl-94-37-251-160.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:07] it cannot read the name of my user. yes. i removed that user and re-added later, and after a reboot nothing changed [14:07] I manually edit the /etc/passwd file.. and /etc/shadow, /etc/groups, etc [14:07] quasar: not everyyone is as elitist as you :) [14:07] generate hashes using a piece of paper and pencil [14:08] Nick change: NNightmare -> NetNightmare [14:08] although I've been accused of doing that as well (manual edits) [14:08] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [14:08] i've opened these 3 files and they are correct. i checked the sources in the package "etc" ...and there are no errors. [14:08] OclkdMan: what runlevel are you in? [14:08] 3 [14:09] root logins correctly [14:09] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] OclkdMan: try using adduser to create a test account and see if it still occurs [14:09] i cannot run X anymore from that user. [14:09] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.19.237) left irc: Client Quit [14:09] OclkdMan: there may also be an issue with /tmp permissions [14:09] ok now i try. but i think bash has a small issue [14:10] what permissions did you set when you created the limited user account? [14:10] etc/* files are correct [14:10] usergroup 100 [14:10] user id 1000 [14:11] maybe you got a dead pid file you got no access to ? [14:11] OclkdMan: the other idea is login as root, cd to that username's home directory, then delete all of the files/directories that begin with a dot (except for single- and -double-dot directories) [14:11] OclkdMan: what is the output of: ls -ld /tmp/{,.ICE-unix,.X11-unix} [14:12] BP{k}: would that affect a console login as well? [14:12] I can see where it would affect X [14:12] no [14:12] alisonken1home: no. it would affect X startups though. [14:12] OclkdMan: whatever user that is, does an "ls -l" on his home directory show the user's name as owner of the files, or does it show a numeric UID? [14:12] ....i've added a second limited account [14:13] and it does the same thing [14:13] OclkdMan: what do you mean when you say "limited"? [14:13] "i have no name! [14:13] a normal user. [14:13] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.224.132) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] sounds like the login package was incorrectly installed [14:13] "they given me a number, and taken away my name" [14:13] i cannot delete all files beginning with a .dot. [14:13] Action: BP{k} is the new number two. [14:13] are you sure that user's line in /etc/passwd is correct? [14:14] there are many config files [14:14] or the shadow password suite was incorrectly installed [14:14] BP{k}: who is number one?! [14:14] now i paste them [14:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428166.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] OclkdMan: if it's more than 2 lines, use pastebin.ca to paste them [14:14] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:14] ok [14:14] Urchlay: me [14:14] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] of course [14:14] Urchlay: You are Number Six. [14:15] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:15] I am not a number! I am a free man! [14:15] Action: BP{k} laughs [14:15] just leave me the koalas that spray the intoxicating mist [14:15] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:15] 'The Prisoner" [14:15] icarus__ (n=tits@72.177.142.8) joined ##slackware. [14:15] who does that "Secret Agent Man" song! dangit! now i can not get it out of my head [14:16] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:16] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] out for a while, gatta clean house [14:16] Urchlay: they're finished shooting on the remake :) [14:16] Pig_Pen: no idea who did the original, I've heard a bunch of cover bands do it though [14:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner_%282009_TV_miniseries%29 [14:16] Pig_Pen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo3Wqf86N4w [14:16] this is passwd [14:16] http://pastebin.ca/1555132 [14:16] yeah, it was quite a lit in the 60's & 70's [14:16] /s/lit/hit [14:17] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_way [14:17] BP{k}: hm, who's playing #6? Original plan was Chris Eccleston (from Dr. Who) [14:17] thats it! johnny rivers [14:17] OclkdMan: look at the line in /etc/shadow for MYUSER and see if it's good as well [14:17] Urchlay: James Caviezel. Ian McKellen is playing the Number Two. [14:18] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:18] OclkdMan: it should look something like "MYUSER:$1$2fYHy4Ps$8Jb5jqrUCjPAkXArdEpzy.:14380:0:::::8595472" [14:18] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:18] this is "passwd-" http://pastebin.ca/1555135 [14:18] OclkdMan: the key parts are between the colons [14:18] alisonken1home: uhm ... that would be if he didn't have shadow passwords installed. [14:19] OclkdMan: any file that has ~ as the last charaacter is a backup file [14:19] there was a parody floating around the net called "Sea Sick Asian Man" [14:19] OclkdMan: eh, and what are the permissions on /etc/passwd? should be 644, owner/group root. If not, you get "I have no name" as any non-root user [14:19] BP{k}: that's why we're checking [14:19] alisonken1home: apologies, my bad :) [14:19] har_ (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] :) [14:20] Pig_Pen: also, I believe /etc/shadow permissions should be 'rw-r-----' [14:20] and this is shadow ttp://pastebin.ca/1555137 [14:20] Pig_Pen: sorry, that's for OclkdMan [14:20] and this is shadow http://pastebin.ca/1555137 [14:20] Action: Urchlay has no idea who James Caviezel is... [14:20] Urchlay: some american actor it seems. [14:21] OclkdMan: check file permissions for /etc/password (644) and /etc/shadow (640) [14:21] permission on passwd are "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1006 2009-06-02 14:42 /etc/passwd" [14:21] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [14:22] kannan (n=kann@121.246.242.95) left irc: [14:22] permission on shadow are "-rw-r----- 1 root shadow 569 2009-06-02 14:42 /etc/shadow" [14:22] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:22] BP{k}: ugh, attempting to watch the preview (or any other video) on the official site for the remake, causes firefox to segfault. I *fucking* hate flash, how did it ever get to be the de-facto standard for web video? [14:23] there are not *~ files. i've already recovered it [14:23] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [14:23] (and before anybody asks: yes, youtube videos work fine, and non-video flash stuff works fine) [14:23] Urchlay: probably the same way ms-windows became the desktop standard? ;) [14:23] BP{k}: beat me to it [14:24] Urchlay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aymtpKzjXc0 sadly with french undertitles .. but otherwise english language [14:24] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] i searched for this problem in google so i tried "exec /bin/bash --login +h" ....but nothing changed. [14:25] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:25] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Urchlay JC was the actor who played the son of god in the movies [14:25] unless someone else has a better idea, it sounds like OclkdMan has a bad login/shadow package install [14:25] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [14:25] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [14:27] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:27] BP{k}: agh. It looks like the remake is missing too much of the original look/feel of the show [14:27] ...i'm thinking it happens also with new users....so the lines in those files should be correct. [14:28] OclkdMan: what version of slackware? [14:28] the actor doesn't seem right for the role of #6 at all, and the village itself doesn't look weird enough [14:28] 13 x64 [14:28] Urchlay: nods [14:28] alisonken1home chk his passwd path and shell [14:28] OclkdMan: answer this question for me. What is the output of "ls -l /etc/passwd" [14:29] count :'s [14:29] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1006 2009-06-02 14:42 /etc/passwd [14:29] those perms are correct [14:29] OclkdMan: another question: if you log in as root and ls -la the bad user's directory, do his files show up with his name in the listing, or his number? [14:30] PurpleSmurf: yep [14:30] Urchlay: sadly enough I am not "old enough" to hav ever seen the orginal. Gotta see if I can find it somewhere on dvd or so :) [14:30] also chk /home perms and owner [14:30] now i try [14:30] nah, the "I have no name" error has nothing to do with /home or anything in the user's home directory at all [14:30] ls -l /home/mulo [14:30] PurpleSmurf: the count seems ok to me [14:30] it has to, or it could [14:30] ken ok [14:31] -ld [14:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:31] in ../ [14:31] sorry. yes they show up [14:31] is home partition mounted? [14:31] with the name of MYUSER [14:31] OclkdMan: and permissions for home of MYUSER ? [14:31] BP{k}: I bought the boxed set 4 or 5 years ago when it came out. I only ever got to see the original show as reruns on the local PBS station, when I was a kid... [14:31] "ls -ld /home/MYUSR" [14:32] no, -l /home [14:32] Kernel 2.6.31 To Speed Up Linux Desktop [14:32] same here,Urchlay [14:32] obey, it's helathier [14:32] PurpleSmurf: that too :), but I would check 'ls -ld /home' as well [14:32] Pig_Pen is that gonna be called `predictive computering? [14:32] drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2009-06-07 17:23 /home/ [14:32] alisonken1home whose got the prob? [14:32] why are you people looking at his /home? I mean if you were to "rm -rf /home", a user could still log in (with the "$HOME doesn't exist" warning), and his username would still show up in the prompt [14:32] OclkdMan ok that's good [14:33] Urchlay eliminating potentials [14:33] i guess, between gnome-2.x & kde-4 i am not impressed and wont hold my breath for any improvements [14:33] but that was never a potential that needed eliminating [14:33] and his homedir would be / [14:33] yeah [14:33] so that means /home is gone [14:33] or changed [14:33] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [14:33] it hapens to me occasionaly [14:33] hey now that i have many more tips from you all [14:33] whereis /home [14:33] but his username would still show up in the prompt, because it comes from /etc/passwd and the getpwnam() or whatever library function [14:33] i recheck all my permissions [14:34] kannan (n=kann@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [14:34] mkdir /home [14:34] OclkdMan is home on a partition alone? [14:34] still [14:34] whereis /home [14:34] Urchlay yea [14:34] yes it is. [14:34] it's a partition? [14:34] OclkdMan: dammit. Why can't you answer my simple question? I want to know: if you log in as root and ls -l the bad user's home directory, do the files show up with his name, or his number? [14:34] ambiguous answer to multiple questions [14:34] "Theres no place like ~/" - Dorthy of Kansas [14:34] heh [14:35] $ ls -l ~urchlay/.bash_profile [14:35] -rw------- 1 urchlay users 1385 2009-07-18 18:05 /home/urchlay/.bash_profile [14:35] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: ""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."" [14:35] 1385? wth is in that? :) [14:35] : there is the name [14:35] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [14:35] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [14:36] hey is there a schedule/note/etc keeper on slackware? [14:36] PurpleSmurf: file size of the file .bash_profile [14:36] i don't have .bash_profile [14:36] OclkdMan: hm. OK, so the problem probably isn't with /etc/passwd, and we can eliminate nsswitch.conf as well [14:36] i have tons of .txt files and i wanna consolidate them [14:36] alisonken1home i know that [14:36] OclkdMan: well, whatever file(s) you do have, belonging to that user. I just used .bash_profile as an example [14:36] oh, give me a ~/ where the buffalo roam... [14:36] PurpleSmurf: sorry - missed 'is' :) [14:36] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl15-170.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:36] surrealgirl vim has a wiki [14:36] s/is/in/ [14:36] mancha lol [14:37] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [14:37] huh? whats vim for? [14:37] surrealgirl: cat *.txt > giant_file.txt [14:37] surrealgirl, cat text1 text2 text3... > alltext [14:37] no no [14:37] no no i need a visual [14:37] i need the calendar [14:37] vim is text editor; someone wrote a wiki for it [14:38] spectre- (n=Uganda@41.210.128.90) joined ##slackware. [14:38] surrealgirl bwoser freshmeat.net and sourceforge for peoductivity thingies [14:38] prod* [14:38] bowser [14:38] mario [14:39] OclkdMan: hey, if you log in as root, does "ls ~MYUSER" work, or does it say "no such file or directory"? [14:39] officergris (n=officerg@tark-b-131.resnet.purdue.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:39] no. that folder exists and it's viewable [14:40] slackware doesnt have a productivity program!?!?! [14:40] D: [14:40] hey, I just updated to Slack 13.0 and I tried installing wicd [14:40] who [14:40] and the daemon starts running fine [14:40] but when I try to run the client I get: [14:40] File "/usr/lib/wicd/wicd-client.py", line 38, in [14:40] kde doesnt have a PIM? [14:40] import gtk - ImportError: No module named gtk [14:41] iareyez (n=iareyez@190.86.218.189) joined ##slackware. [14:41] any idea what's going on? [14:41] hi all [14:41] officergris install from set x/ [14:41] Urchlay and alisonken1home: thx a lot for the help. now i check again all those permission. maybe i've missed something, [14:41] why slackware? [14:41] Urchlay: I can see what you mean regarding the village weirdness (and true they don't come much weirder than portmeirion (the orginal village)) [14:41] iareyez: because. [14:42] always great support here.! byez [14:42] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] iareyez: control. [14:42] Quiznos: install what from set x/? [14:42] bc we can each fix our own iareyez [14:42] iareyez, this is not an advocacy channel, lots of intartubes resources to help you pick your distro. good luck. [14:42] afaik there isn't a wicd package in there [14:42] gtk* [14:43] wicd is in extra/ [14:43] yes, I'm aware [14:43] hm? [14:43] kann_ (n=kann@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [14:43] how i can use slackpkg ? [14:44] i need to install flashplayerplugin [14:44] open a terminal [14:44] you type in slackpkg [14:44] BP{k}: Portmeirion is still there AFAIK, they should have just used it again [14:44] but i dont see [14:44] jekkt: man slackpkg [14:44] which file i can install [14:44] omg how come nobody told me about korganizer?!? [14:44] [14:44] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:44] >< i needed something like korganizer [14:44] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Action: quasar failed telepathy class in highschool :\ [14:46] Urchlay: perhaps too costly to use these days? [14:47] or just the usual hollywood stuff .. "let's take something that was good in the past and make it shite" [14:47] officergris: gtk is a library. did you install _all_ of the libraries in the l/ series? [14:48] true,BP{k} [14:48] alisonken1home: yeah, I installed all of the libraries [14:48] there's also pygtk module that should have been installed [14:48] I'm a somewhat seasoned slackware user :) [14:49] yeah, they're all installed to the best of my knowledge [14:49] officergris: "ls /var/log/pacages/*py*" and see if pygtk is installed [14:49] they're all listed in /var/log/packages [14:49] which is why this is so interesting [14:49] and irritating [14:50] means your python is issing stuff [14:50] doing a proper install will fix it [14:50] *missing stuff [14:50] perhaps [14:50] quasar, lol xD [14:50] I'll check the md5sums real quick [14:51] not a corrupt install, a pemkas install [14:51] pemkas? [14:51] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [14:51] kannan (n=kann@121.246.242.95) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:51] Rackattack (n=eric@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] BP{k}: I suppose from a business standpoint it makes sense for them: we're going to see the movie, even if we expect it to suck :( [14:51] pemkas = pebkac? [14:51] pebkac - still waing up [14:52] Good. Just te crowd i need :D [14:52] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] agh! They don't even do the little "be seeing you" forehead gesture! [14:52] Any of ya'll know how to install Slackware 13.0 onto a USB Disk? [14:52] Not from one. Onto one. [14:54] Anybody? ;_; [14:54] use unetbootin [14:54] Rackattack: same way you install onto a regular disk, with a couple of changes to verify root? [14:54] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] BP{k}: they also messed with the backstory. In the trailer, they keep saying "there is no such place as new york, there is nothing but the village"... kinda goofy [14:54] okie are there anything similar to korganizer? [14:55] Urchlay: lol...and a desert....:P [14:55] surrealgirl: evolution - if you don't mind a grunch of gnome dependencies [14:55] My USB disk doesn't show up on cfdisk. So I can't just install it. [14:55] and possibly mono [14:55] kann_ (n=kann@121.246.242.95) left irc: [14:55] alisonken1home, hm its not already installed? [14:56] surrealgirl: default slackware is kde - not gnome [14:56] does dmesg show anything when you plug the stick in? [14:56] the closest slackware has is some gtk compat libraries [14:56] oh [14:56] hm [14:57] surrealgirl: if you want to try gnome on slackware, look at gsb (gnome slackbuild) distribution [14:57] mancha: just did a fresh install of all of the gtk/python stuff [14:57] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:57] still isn't working [14:57] (this is 32 bit, btw, if that helps) [14:57] osmo's 'nother organizer that's lightweight [14:57] officergris: 13.0? [14:57] yes indeed [14:57] hmmm - I installed 13.0 on my laptop about 2 weeks ago and wicd ran fine [14:58] hmm, and now wicd-curses is complaining of not finding the module urwid (which I also reinstalled) [14:58] pyobject, pygk, etc? [14:58] pycairo? [14:58] yes [14:58] Before I install, does Slack come with wireless support for my atheros card? [14:59] oh no no [14:59] ty ty guys :D [14:59] Urchlay: heh, yeah. I am just watching the first episode on youtube. I think I could come to like the old version :) [14:59] Rackattack: that's a kernel thing, not a slackware thing [14:59] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) joined ##slackware. [14:59] NicePics13 (n=Bob@i030162.gprs.dnafinland.fi) left irc: "Leaving" [14:59] the kernel now has ath5k, is it a 5xxx series? [14:59] it also has ath9k iirc [14:59] yes it is [15:01] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-201-141.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:01] i type slackpkg update and it seems to be done , but where is the file list,txt for my packages? [15:01] Man-erg_ (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:01] BP{k}: the original show is amazing... it's a one-man show: Patrick McGoohan created it, wrote it, directed/produced it, and starred in it [15:01] surrealgirl: how did you update to 13.0? and what was the previous version? [15:02] I suppose I should expect a remake to be crap, since McGoohan has nothing to do with it [15:02] (think he's still alive, but really really old now) [15:02] alisonken1home, complete new install so [15:02] and 12.1 [15:02] Urchlay: zomg white balloons! :)) [15:02] surrealgirl: format/reinstall 13.0? interesting [15:02] surrealgirl: what source ISO did you use? [15:02] Urchlay: Did you care much for Patrick McGoohan in Braveheart as Edward Longshanks? [15:02] alisonken1home, think from slackware.no [15:03] Urchlay: I *really* hope they will air the orginal as well as the remake. But I've asked kethry to look for the box set. [15:03] gah this is frustrating. all the md5sums for the isos match up with what is posted, all of everything installed [15:03] I've run ldconfig, even rebooted [15:03] MLanden: actually yeah, once I figured out why he looked so familiar :) [15:03] alisonken1home: when you said you installed 13.0 on your laptop, was it x86 or x86_64? [15:04] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] yeah..was one of those "Why does that guy look familiar?" moments...:P [15:04] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4E30.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:04] officergris: x86 32-bit - but I used rsync for -current and created my own iso [15:04] so is slackware 13 stable with KDE 4.X? [15:05] yes [15:05] 4.2.4 [15:05] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [15:06] alright [15:06] alisonken1home: was this before or after the slack 13.0 official release? [15:06] alisonken1home, why did you ask? [15:06] officergris: both :) [15:06] heh, ok, that rules out them having changed something just before the release then [15:07] surrealgirl: just trying to see if there was an iso issue [15:07] Man-erg_ (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:08] alisonken1home: the problem was the read permission for the user on passwd as u said. thx again. [15:08] Rackattack (n=eric@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] OclkdMan: thanks - but someone else brought up permissions - PurpleSmurf maybe? [15:09] BP{k}: ugh, I just found out McGoohan is dead :( [15:09] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] alisonken1home, oh [15:10] KingBeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [15:11] alisonken1home: yes. thx to all. now i can startx again. [15:11] OclkdMan: wait, what? [15:12] OclkdMan: /etc/passwd wasn't readable by the user? [15:12] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Urchlay, that files was readable by root and others. i've not checked the permission correctly [15:13] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: Client Quit [15:14] OclkdMan: eh, so, you've fixed your problem. What exactly did you do to fix it? [15:14] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Urchlay: chmod a+r /etc/passwd* [15:15] ugh. I did ask twice for you to check the perms of /etc/passwd... [15:15] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] i know. i'm sorry :) [15:15] :(( [15:15] a better question though: how did the permissions on /etc/passwd get changed? [15:16] you did it on purpose at some point? or some piece of software went haywire and did it? [15:16] i was "studing" files ending with a "-" in /etc/ [15:16] oh, you were looking at /etc/passwd- instead of /etc/passwd then? [15:17] qarb (i=1000@fibhost-66-163-80.fibernet.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:17] bummer [15:17] yeah....and i still can't understand what those passwd- or shadow- are for... [15:18] i think shadow- has an additional hash for the passwords.(?)... [15:18] OclkdMan: /etc/passwd is the original username file for unix. due to security concerns, the shadow password suite was created - by putting an 'x' in the password field, it tells the login to look for the hashed passwrod in /etc/passwd [15:19] sorry - ' ... the hashed password in /etc/shadow' [15:19] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:20] both the passwd- and shadow- files are backup files [15:21] i finished installing slack 13 again for the 3rd time last night only to find out it didnt install or properly configure lilo [15:21] alisonken1home: ahhhhh....so only backups files [15:21] woo [15:21] OclkdMan: if my reading is correct, yes [15:21] try diff /etc/passwd /etc/passwd- [15:21] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [15:23] mancha: looks like the difference is '!!'replaced '*' in the password field on /etc/shadow v. shadow- [15:23] now that all works these 2 files are the same. (etc/passwd*) [15:23] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] OclkdMan: look between the 2nd and 3rd colons and see if there's a difference [15:24] oh wait - passwd files. nevermind [15:25] on shadow that means a user is disabled [15:25] right? [15:25] means a user can't use a login shell, yes [15:26] I believe it may affect other uses as well, but that's the main issue [15:26] right, such as setting /bin/false as shell would give that "!" [15:26] it's all coming back - rings some bells [15:27] fnord0 (n=root@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [15:27] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:27] I don't think that /bin/false would change the password field to ! [15:27] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:27] actually, whether a user has a valid shell or not, doesn't have anything to do with the encrypted password field [15:28] fnord0 (n=root@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Client Quit [15:28] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:28] but either/both will have the effect of not allowing the user to have a shell [15:28] s/shell/login [15:28] you can have a user with a valid password and a shell of /bin/false. He can log in, but he gets logged right back out (but it's still useful for services like pop3 or imap, if you use the system users database for imap logins) [15:28] fnord0 (n=root@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [15:29] I used to set non-interactive users' shells to /usr/bin/passwd, so they could change their passwords but nothing else (the same login/pass was used for 2 or 3 other services besides shell logins) [15:30] can you try to change the shell to /bin/false and see if the hash pw field on /etc/shadow changes Urch? [15:30] eh, I can, but I can already tell you, it won't change... one sec [15:31] I think the change from * to !! was a password/shadow suite upgrade for security issues [15:31] * means "look in the shadow file for the real contents of this field" [15:32] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] sooo... i am running slackware 12.0.0, i just tried to upgrade to 13.0 (x86, the 32bit version)... looks like i made a boo-boo! when I get to the 4th package to install in example #1 (findutils-*.tzx) in the UPGRADE.txt instructions, Im getting the error: external compression utility xz missing [15:32] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Urchlay: correct - but the shadow file password field for no login was changed from * to !! [15:32] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:32] typing "xz" at the command prompt gives this "xz: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.6' not found (required by xz) [15:32] i fubar'd i think [15:32] =( [15:33] mancha: OK, I changed my user's shell to /bin/false with "chsh", it didn't change the encrypted password in /etc/shadow [15:33] mancha: fortunately I remembered to change it back, or else there would be much head scratching in my future... [15:33] i assume i shoulda went from 12.0.0 -> 12.1 -> 13 ? (i have done THAT successfully) [15:33] ok - hrmm, i must be misremembering [15:33] err i meant i have dont 12.1 -> 13.0 succesfully with 32bit box [15:33] fnord0: you need to upgrade your glibc-solibs to the one from 13.0, to get that xc package to work [15:33] martrix 1 on a&e [15:33] dont/done [15:33] s/xc/xz/ [15:34] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [15:34] Urchlay: i see... i think i tried that but got an error [15:34] Urchlay: lemme try [15:34] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl15-170.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [15:34] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] actually I'm pretty sure the xz package is deliberately built so it'll work with glibc-solibs from 12.2 also (so you can install it as the first step in upgrading 12.2 to 13.0) [15:35] ok, so it i sthe result of -l [15:35] passwd -u $user -l will probably give the ! [15:36] fnord0: you should have upgraded 12.0 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 -> 13.0 (Slackware's upgrade process isn't designed to be able to skip versions. sometimes it'll work anyway, sometimes it won't, and if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces) [15:36] Urchlay: ahh, that is my problem... trying to install glibc-solibs for 13.0 on my slackware 12.0.0 box give the error "there is no installed package named glibc-solibs-2.9-i486-3" ... do i just need to force it, using the version from slackware 12.0.0 [15:36] fnord0: stop [15:36] Urchlay: ya, i agree with yr last comment [15:36] iareyez (n=iareyez@190.86.218.189) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:36] Urchlay: 12.0 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 -> 13.0 [15:37] yeah. Better stop what you're doing now, and do it that way [15:37] or, back up all your data you want to keep, format, and do a fresh 13.0 install [15:37] er, passwd -l $user (i mean) [15:38] Urchlay: ive always followed that format... in slackware 13.0 release or something said something along the lines of upgrading from an older version to this one works well... i had asked, and someone said 12.1 -> 13.0 works fine, and it DID work for me on my other box [15:38] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:38] Urchlay: so i figured i'd try 12.0.0 -> 13 [15:38] mancha and alisonken1home: I think the !! or whatever, doesn't really have a special meaning. It's just a string that's guaranteed not to be a valid crypted password [15:38] Urchlay: i got all my data backed up... [15:38] yay he took the red pill [15:38] the * does have meaning in /etc/passwd though (means "look in shadow") [15:38] yes [15:38] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:39] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-136-134.ip39.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Urch, yes, this much us clear Urch, the question is what shadow suite tool generates this locked pw (without losing the real hash) and the answer is passwd -l as i mentioned [15:39] fnord0: well if your backup is good, do whatever you like (maybe it'll work, or maybe it will eat your system for breakfast, but you can always do a clean install, and you might learn something) [15:39] Urchlay: ok, i got 12.1, 12.2 and 13.0 sitting right next to me... i will do as u suggest, 12.0 -> 12.1 ... then i will think about 12.1 -> 12.2 or maybe 12.1 -> 13... [15:39] Urchlay: agreed [15:39] that ! is an impossible hash was not being debated [15:40] mancha: eh, sorry, I'm only halfway here today (I keep getting called away to the other room and missing chunks of conversation) [15:40] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:40] Urchlay: question tho, so i have already ran upgradepkg on pkgtools & tar, and installed a broken xz packages from 13.0 install disk... now i gonna go with 12.0 -> 12.1 [15:41] Urchlay: so, do u suggest just removepkg pkgtools, tar and xz ? i was thinking tho that might make it so i cant install 12.1 files (pkgtools?) [15:41] Urchlay: whats the right way to back outta this u think? [15:42] ehm, if you "removepkg pkgtools" or tar, you won't be able to install a new version... [15:42] ya [15:42] my thoughts [15:42] I'd say "removepkg xz" for now [15:42] too [15:42] k [15:42] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:42] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [15:42] you should follow Urch and not try to leapfrog several versions [15:42] mancha: for sure, i doing that now [15:42] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [15:42] although it's not hurting anything to leave xz there: pkgtools from anything older than 13.0, won't ever try to use xz (and can't install .txz packages anyway) [15:43] Urchlay: agreed [15:43] also, just for disclosure sake, i think upgrading is far inferior to clean installs (with backups of important userland) [15:43] i removed that [15:43] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [15:43] mancha: indeed [15:44] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] mancha: I pretty much agree (though I wouldn't say "far inferior", maybe "less safe" is what I'd say) [15:44] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] i like relatively unfragmented fs's and no dangling files though :) [15:45] I've gotten used to incremental upgrades cause I've been running -current ever since 64-bit went public [15:45] well [15:46] if its journaled you shouldnt worry [15:46] journaling has nothing to do with fragmentation [15:46] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:46] on this box, /home is a ginormous raid partition, and I've got 4 or 5 alternate root partitions I can boot into or install a new Slackware on [15:46] anybody using nx (nxagent) on slackware 13 ? [15:47] is fragmentation really a serious issue with ext3? [15:47] i hear ext4 does a good job frag-wise but it also makes you vulnerable to large data loss (for the same reason) [15:47] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.15.16) left irc: "Leaving" [15:47] depends on how you define serious, ext3's fragmentation is a function of usage time, yes [15:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Urchlay: so leaving pkgtools & tar @ 13.0 for now, and run upgradepkg on pkgtools & tar from 12.1 iso will that revert it back correctly to 12.1 pkgtools and tar? [15:47] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] with most good fs's you shouldnt be getting a lot of fragmentation [15:48] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Client Quit [15:48] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Urchlay: i just wanna make sure i get pkgtools & tar back properly, so i can proceed with the 12.1 upgrade [15:48] mancha: well, I'm thinking of my old windows 95 box with FAT, where fragmentation would get so nasty that a defrag made my boot time go from 10 minutes to 2 minutes... [15:48] Urchlay: figured i'd run this by someone on the ##slackware channel [15:49] Urch, it won't be like FAT. that said, i prefer clean installs for all those reasons... [15:49] fnord0: yeah, use upgradepkg to "upgrade" your 13.0 pkgtools back to the 12.0 one, then you should be ready to start the upgrade to 12.1 [15:49] you have to keep in mind thoughj [15:49] there is also fragmentation due to the phusical disk itself. [15:50] Urchlay: thanks, i really appreciate the assistance [15:50] Urchlay: i love slackware, i swear it breeds the best community [15:50] eh, if your physical disk platters break into fragments, that's basically Game Over :) [15:50] yeah physical framgmentation means a trip to the store [15:50] heh [15:50] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [15:50] no, its called external fragmentation [15:50] Stylles (n=ALIVE@201.89.65.235) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Hi [15:51] and it happens when the block layout isnt geared for the disk mechanics usualy [15:51] oh, you're talking about sector remapping, when the drive automagically remaps a dying sector to one in the reseved cylinder(s) [15:52] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:52] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:52] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] asd I just looked on google [15:52] External Fragmentation: This is the (average) loss of performance when the physical block layout on disk is not optimized for the disc mechanics such as that for many files the blocks belonging to one file are scattered around the whole disc. [15:52] guys why samba on slack dont open the port 139? [15:52] which is also affected by the disk model in fact [15:52] and other reasons [15:53] be default samba refuse any connection [15:53] anybody have an LG Xenon phone GR500? [15:53] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:53] hi. [15:53] anyone ever see this error [15:53] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] Warning: Depends on: IMAP functions - NOT FOUND [15:53] To install IMAP support, install php5-imap [15:53] Without IMAP support, you won't be able to create subfolders when creating mailboxes. [15:54] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:54] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:54] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.52.173.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:54] koo5 (n=kook@100.177.broadband10.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [15:54] fatalnix: OK, I think I get what you mean... but does that even apply when you're using LBA32 or such? (where the OS just refers to a sector number, instead of a cylinder/sector/head)? [15:55] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) left irc: [15:55] Stylles: it might be a good idea to tell us what gave you that error message...? [15:56] skibur: what problems are you running across? [15:56] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [15:56] trying to connect my phone via bluetooth and access the internet via laptop [15:57] I'm not sure to be honest, I was only adding in that there's more than internal fragmentation to be concerned about [15:57] Urchlay: Postfix Mta [15:57] I don't deal with it at all. ^^ [15:57] is kdebluetooth app limited? [15:59] I mean instead of saying "give my cylinder 200, head 10, sector 3", the OS just says "give me sector 12345" or whatever. In that case, it's up to the drive's firmware to translate the sector # to cyl/head/sec. I suppose it's possible for a crappy drive to not allocate sequential sector numbers to sequential sectors on the disk, but it'd be something you can't fix (well, without knowing a whole lot more about the drive's specifics [16:00] yeah. [16:00] Urchlay: and just as i love slackware, i love u too! thanks much Urchlay that worked supurbly! [16:01] skibur: does BlueZ see your phone? [16:01] it does [16:02] Wait!! Urchlay is MINE all MINE, I tell you! MINE!! [16:02] fnord0: about all I can tell you about upgrading in stages the way you're doing, is to keep careful track of what you're doing [16:02] but doesn't seem to connect correctly [16:02] I think is just support needed [16:02] log the stdout/err of your upgradepkg commands, etc. [16:03] if something breaks in the 12.1 -> 12.2 upgrade, that'll possibly cause the 12.2 -> 13.0 to fail in a weird way (maybe a really weird way that stumps the collective brainpower of ##slackware...) [16:03] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] definitely read all the UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT and such, for each version, before you upgrade to it (but probably you're already doing that) [16:04] reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [16:05] Nick change: reticenti -> reti [16:05] hey mingdao [16:05] true,skibur [16:05] hey gm152 [16:05] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:06] Hi, reti. [16:06] so i got the internet working [16:06] Good to hear. :) [16:06] :) [16:07] Was it MAC filtering? [16:07] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [16:07] yeah [16:07] and i now have the pw to the router lol [16:07] All good then! [16:07] yup [16:08] so, if i want to ssh into this computer from outside, how can I know my dynamic IP address? [16:08] Nick change: test34 -> test34- [16:08] Nick change: test34- -> test34 [16:08] is there something I can do to upload the ip to something [16:09] Your router will have that information. And you'll have to setup port forwarding in the router. [16:09] maybe a script to cat ifconfig in to an email and sent to you? [16:09] yeah, but how do i know what the ip address is? [16:09] ah, that's a good idea [16:09] The IP on the internet side? [16:10] its on a LAN through a router? that wont work then [16:11] like, when i do ssh froma linux box at school, i would do "ssh -p someport username@ip" [16:12] heh, there's some silly site whatsmyip.com I think [16:12] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:12] hey how are ya'll [16:12] hi Cann0n [16:13] sup? [16:13] port is a parameter you specify when you set up port forwarding in your router. [16:13] nice weekend, 4 days for me [16:13] I used to run a web server on a static IP address, I'd have a cron job on my home machine do "wget http://mysite.com/somelongweirdurl", then just grep the apache log for that URL (the log shows the IP address that made the request....) [16:13] port 2222 is assigned to port 22 on box A on the LAN for example. [16:14] fErnandoMdx (i=960103@189.83.57.177) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:15] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Client Quit [16:15] a better solution might be to use dyndns.org or one of the other dynamic DNS services [16:15] (there are free ones) [16:15] also, flash 10 on slackware 13, can someone point me to a guide or something? [16:15] ugh [16:15] Stylles (n=ALIVE@201.89.65.235) left ##slackware. [16:16] reti: on the slack install DVD, look in /extra/flashplayer-plugin/ [16:16] Urchlay: Yep, in case the dynamic WAN IP changes. DNS services makes that transparent to the user. [16:16] ah [16:17] there's a SlackBuild script in there that will make a slackware package, but for some reason no README (it's pretty simple though) [16:17] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) joined ##slackware. [16:17] ok, should i just run the script? [16:18] yeah. It'll download the flash installer for you, even [16:18] cool [16:19] I dunno whether it'll work well or not, on 32-bit. I've had lots of trouble with the 64-bit flash 10 (to the point where I'm running nspluginwrapper + the 32-bit flash 9, and it *still* crashes the browser sometimes...) [16:20] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] hi [16:21] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [16:21] shik4nt414 (n=shik4nt4@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [16:21] Hi [16:23] Huh.l.. flash10 works flawlessly here on amd. What trouble have you had? [16:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:29] Ive got flash running both on my netbook (bit) and on my main box x64 both with slack13 [16:31] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:32] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:32] damn i hope this slackware 13 iso isnt f'd up like the last one was [16:32] alright hi guys i have a question [16:32] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Action: missyjane pets i_is_cat [16:33] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-136-51-66.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:33] oooooooooohhhhh [16:33] Action: i_is_cat likes missyjane [16:34] Action: i_is_cat thinks missyjane should fix his L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 booting pc [16:34] adamk_ and lolwut: The trouble is that the browser segfaults and dies instantly, on almost any flash-video site *other* than youtibe [16:34] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] tube [16:34] hi [16:34] Action: mank likes slackware [16:34] bad lilo it seems i_is_cat [16:34] I want one of these! [16:34] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/IBM26.jpg/800px-IBM26.jpg [16:35] ya, there seems to be an issue with my slackware 13 copy [16:35] it gives no meaningful error message, and there are no debugging symbols so I can't usefully examine the core dump with gdb, even [16:35] do i have to open up a port on my slackware box if i want to ssh into it not on port 22/21? [16:35] is there a slackware way to use kde 3.5 on slackware 13 ? [16:36] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.185.76) joined ##slackware. [16:36] unless its installing lilo on the mbr of a different drive perhaps.. though i dont know why it would do that.. [16:36] I click on a link and *bam*, the whole browser is gone. A couple of other users in here have the same problem, and some others have zero problems. No idea what's different, why it works for them and not for me. [16:37] Urchlay, get a new browser [16:37] i_is_cat: eh, gee, thanks, that's ever so helpful. I run the firefox that comes with slackware, and I'm *not* switching to the other browser that comes with slackware (konqueror) [16:38] I tried seamonkey, it had the same problem [16:38] interesting...... it DID install it on the mbr of a different drive... well i guess thats a good thing, now i can just shift things around [16:38] urchlay, I wish I could help thats over my head. Post on LQ maybe? [16:38] (not surprising, it's the same codebase as firefox, at least the backend bits are) [16:40] fErnando|w (i=960103@189.83.32.189) joined ##slackware. [16:40] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Urchlay, well what about using opera does it die with that browser? [16:41] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] no idea. Opera and I parted company around the time 6.0 came out [16:42] kdei can go fornicate with itself [16:42] really don't want to run a browser that isn't in a default install of slackware, anyway [16:42] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] aceofspades19: hey, somewhere on this earth, there's probably someone who actually speaks all those languages :) [16:43] Urchlay: can you point to where he lives so I can punch him several times in the face [16:43] does anyone install kdei? [16:43] not I [16:44] pat should exculde it for one release to see if anyone complains [16:44] in fact I exclude it from my rsync script that mirrors slackware-current [16:44] I'm not trying to compile go-oo, but I'm missing libxul.pc in my pkgconfig. Is there a way to fix this? [16:45] (I suppose I should change that to mirror 13.0 now, probably not going to follow -current all the way to 13.1) [16:45] there's a -current already for 13+? [16:45] missyjane didnt ask her question [16:45] Quiznos: not yet, no [16:45] k [16:45] aceofspades19: I do. I even install the whole set of kde-l10n-*. [16:45] why [16:45] there should be [16:46] kevin01123: at a guess, install libxul? (it's not a stock slackware package, try searching for it on slackbuilds.org) [16:46] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:46] huh? [16:46] appzer0: why do you install kdei? [16:46] appzer0 are you needing more than one language for tools and apps? [16:46] Quiznos: I think PV and the team are taking a well-deserved break, now that 13.0 is released [16:46] they always do [16:47] why not? Maybe coz I'm french? Coz I could be a translator or something, nedding having some more foreign languages [16:47] ok [16:47] appzer0: you really speak all 20-30 of those languages and would switch your KDE desktop between them? [16:47] Urchlay: There's no libxul in slackbuilds. [16:48] appzer0: maybe you should learn to say "because" in english before you try different languages [16:49] kevin01123: *shrug*, I don't even know what it is (XUL is part of mozilla I think), was just giving the steps I'd follow in your place... possibly this go-oo (whatever it might be) has a README or something, that explains what all the dependencies are, and where to find them? [16:49] ;) [16:49] aceofspades19: being able to speak colloquially is a sign of fluency... [16:49] (at least, being able to do it on purpose is...) [16:49] Urchlay: I said "some" can be needed, not "all of them". But I do install all of them, coz I've got room for these [16:50] Just as I got room for KDE, which I don't use. [16:50] Urchlay: its also a sign of being 12 [16:50] well I've got room in my house for a pet elephant, but I don't install one :) [16:50] :p [16:50] (actually I lied: a pet elephant would have to live in the back yard) [16:50] well you should, they need to be protected in some countries [16:50] Action: aceofspades19 ships an african elephant c.o.d to Urchlay [16:51] Dark_Wizard (n=Dark_Wiz@89.104.115.102) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] ugh, you haven't seen this house or the people who live in it. An elephant would probably be safer sleeping under a bridge like a hobo... [16:52] Action: aceofspades19 imagines a troll elephant [16:52] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:52] trollephant! [16:52] trouliphaunt [16:52] stop talking about slackytude behind his back! :o [16:52] wat [16:53] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:53] Action: aceofspades19 scrolls up [16:53] and of course, you know what you get if you cross an elephant with a rhinoceros? [16:53] something ugly [16:53] 'ell if I know [16:53] aceofspades19: ok, because because because, sorry for my terrible english. [16:54] (a lot funnier when spoken, not typed...) [16:54] spectre- (n=Uganda@41.210.128.90) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:54] appzer0: I wasn't really being serious, so you are forgiven :p [16:55] Urchlay: I can also send you about 20 tomatos [16:56] they'd be rotten by the time they got here (if they weren't already) [16:56] Urchlay: thats why I have a crygenic freezer :p [16:56] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Afternoon [16:56] aceofspades19: you have Walt Disney in there? [16:57] Urchlay: no, I sent him back to california [16:57] he was lengthing the copyright terms too much over here [16:58] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [16:58] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:59] s0d0 (n=jdr@host86-175-233-162.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl2-79.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:59] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-238-99.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] balls to the wall [17:00] :| [17:01] i_is_cat: are you actually a cat? [17:01] yep [17:01] aceofspades19, a cute one too [17:01] there was a dog in here the other day [17:01] Action: misspwn sprinkles cat nip on the ground [17:01] Action: i_is_cat whips out a pipe [17:01] i loves me some good catnip [17:01] nice just like my cats at home :) [17:02] evening all [17:02] greetings dive [17:02] dive, ! [17:02] afternoon dive [17:02] Action: misspwn hugs everyone but winter and missyjane [17:03] well even after a fresh install, my imon mouse buttons are not working :( [17:03] lame [17:03] lol [17:03] :( [17:03] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] ohhh fine misspwn come here [17:03] you're a cat, you probably tried to eat your mouse, that's why it won't work... [17:03] i_is_cat: its because you don't have an opposible thumb [17:03] err missyjane [17:03] Action: misspwn nix_chix0r [17:03] tab completion fail :) [17:03] god damnit [17:03] hmm i take it no one uses an imon.. [17:03] haha [17:03] Nick change: misspwn -> nix_chix0r [17:03] there we go [17:03] cats don't have opposable thumbs, but their front paws are opposable against each other (not true for dogs) [17:04] nix_chix0r: about time you get it right. :P [17:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-31-97-19.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] i'm a little loopy from all the pills [17:04] i_is_cat: what the heck is an imon? [17:04] Nick change: missyjane -> surrealgirl [17:04] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428166.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] real loopy it seems [17:04] imon pad ir/vfd [17:04] Panzer, they just put me on trazadone [17:05] i_is_cat: so a remote basically? [17:05] shit will knock you out and make you retarded sometimes [17:05] vfd sounds like something to do with flight avionics... sorry, no idea [17:05] its a vfd with an ir receiver and comes with a weird remote that has a d-pad on it that is supposed to function as a mouse [17:05] ok if I could look that up I would [17:05] i_is_cat: and it actually works, other than the left/right buttons? [17:05] the cursor works fine, the scroll wheel through the channel up and channel down works fine, its just the mouseR and mouseL buttons that dont work [17:05] when I start bash, I get these silly poetic message. How do I stop that? http://acad.kutztown.edu/~jgrau434/crap.png [17:05] weird [17:05] mank: thats fortune [17:06] i_is_cat, maybe your mouse is dying [17:06] mank: chmod -x /etc/profile.d/bsd-games-login-fortune.* [17:06] or simply removepkg bsd-games [17:06] nix_chix0r, its not a mouse, its a remote [17:06] oh ok [17:06] lol @ "You will be dead within a year" [17:06] oh [17:06] but... the fortunes are fun! [17:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.52.173.static.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [17:07] I got one yesterday that said "Pretend to spank me, I'm a pseudo-masochist!" [17:07] as seen here: http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/misc/median%20lab/a2331.asp [17:07] I want a t-shirt that says that [17:07] ohhh [17:07] mank: in /etc/profile.d chmod -x fortune ones [17:07] i_is_cat: so does your owner let you use a computer, or do you just use the computer when your owner is not home? [17:07] oh Urchlay allready said it [17:07] i_is_cat: that looks like a pretty neat piece of hardware. How much did yours cost you? [17:08] cats ARE the owners, whens the last time i cleaned up YOUR poo [17:08] I have never seen one that says 'you will dead within a year'. That doesn't sound like fortune. Pretty damned freaky to open a term and see that. [17:08] Urchlay, bought it last year, i'm in canada and it was $110 at the local store [17:08] fortune: "We are upping our standards ... so up yours." -- Pat Paulsen for President, 1988. [17:08] ouch, $110 seems steep [17:08] i see they are $99 US right now in most places [17:08] i_is_cat: tell me that when you get locked in the closet again [17:08] I bought a PC remote called a "Firefly" for something like $50, and I felt like I was being ripped off [17:09] ya but does it have a wicked vfd? [17:09] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-233-105.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] I don't even know what "vfd" means (that page doesn't explain it either) [17:09] oh, a display? no, it doesn't have that, but what would I want one for? [17:09] vacuum fluorescent display [17:10] the media PC was already hooked to a ginormous TV, I'd just display whatever I need on that... [17:10] (the VFD looks too small to read from standard viewing distance anyway) [17:10] http://tinyurl.com/nnrutn [17:11] i_is_cat: that looks like something that'd be really useful for a rack full of headless servers [17:11] or for say.. mythtv info? ;) [17:11] have it display uptime, CPU load and temp, free disk space, swap usage, all the nice stuff you want to monitor at a glance [17:11] cuba33ci_ (i=cuba33ci@118-160-174-71.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:11] thats usually what i have it doing [17:12] hey [17:12] for a TV box, what's the point? I'm going to sit on a couch at least 10 feet away from the actual PC (or else I wouldn't need the remote), and that thing would be too small to read [17:12] are you there alisonken1home? [17:12] wow whats with all the ladies in here today [17:12] there are no girls on the internet [17:12] i feel weird cat feelings [17:12] i thought about getting a remote for my media pc but i have that wireless keyboard and mouse and it works just fine [17:12] Action: i_is_cat goes to the litter box for 5min [17:12] if I were sitting close enough to see it, I'd just hook up a mouse and keyboard and use it as a regular PC that happens to have a TV for a monitor... [17:13] Urchlay, that's what i do [17:13] heh, he smoked a bunch of catnip, now he's going to the litter box. I bet $5 he gets lost on the way back [17:13] heehe [17:13] :( [17:13] looks guys [17:13] its awesome being able to have your own slackware mirror and being able to update with almost no download time [17:13] If you believe that you meet these conditions and would like to follow up with the financial aid administrator at your college, select "I am homeless or at risk of being homeless" and click Next to get additional information. [17:13] i'm about to injest something similar Urchlay [17:13] i cant believe im filling this out [17:14] nix_chix0r: I thought you were already high from some kinda pills? [17:14] surrealgirl, are you about to be homeless? i have two spare bedrooms [17:14] generally speaking when i use my remote i'm in bed and my desktop is on the other side of the room, and it works great for mythtv and amarok and other apps that i configure it for, its just that now the new lirc_imon driver configures it as a mouse and it works really well.. just useless since i cant click [17:14] oh they don't get me high [17:14] i_is_cat: hm, couldn't you just downgrade to the old driver that used to work? [17:14] nix_chix0r, nah.. i rather die [17:14] the old driver didnt work for mouse input [17:14] i_is_cat: can't you just sleep in the computer chair? [17:14] I am homeless or at risk of being homeless [17:15] you are a cat after all [17:15] i got it working through lircmd but it was crap slow and choppy [17:15] ugh, lircmd to simulate mouse movements? I can imagine [17:15] the trazadone fits in the class of anti phsychotics it's for people with schizophrenia and shit [17:15] uva (i=bno@118-160-170-159.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:15] nix_chix0r: why would you want to take that? [17:15] Google reported 502 Bad Gateway [17:16] uh because my doctor prescribed it to me [17:16] i have schizo affective disorder or something [17:16] nix_chix0r: "antipsychotic" drugs are just major tranquilizers, they don't help you think non-psychotically, they just stop you from being able to think at all (if you can't think at all, you can't think crazy thoughts either) [17:16] I'd rather be crazy than a zombier [17:16] yeah and it works fairly well i think [17:16] s/r$// [17:17] i don't feel like a zombie right now just a little tired. i take it at night along with my other meds [17:17] well they're supposed to give you calm so that you can sort out your thoughts [17:17] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [17:17] i can't function on it if i take it during the day [17:17] zombie, zombier, zombiest [17:17] they don't really zombify you. depends on dose and if it works, good. [17:17] it really does slow my thoughts down and i can feel "normal" during the day if that makes sense [17:17] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] define: normal [17:18] i figered out who agent Smith is or sounds/talks like; he talks like the billions and billions atheist scientist who wrote broca's brain [17:18] having paranoid thoughts can be dangerous [17:18] at one point I got misdiagnosed as paranoid schiz, they tried 3 or 4 different brain-erasing drugs [17:18] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [17:18] just like strattera that i take. doesn't make me focus, just helps me be more able to focus. still have to make the effort. [17:18] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.207.81) joined ##slackware. [17:18] (I'm slightly crazy maybe, but not schiz) [17:18] mingdao, not hearing voices and just feeling out of it [17:18] :| [17:18] i feel like i have more controll over myself mind wise [17:18] i feel clearer [17:19] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:19] carl sagan!!! [17:19] where?! [17:19] lol [17:19] i figered out who agent Smith is or sounds/talks like; he talks like the billions and billions atheist scientist who wrote broca's brain [17:19] oh bob saget it's tit dirt [17:19] it's funny how people say we're evolving (becoming more perfect, better adapted, higher in function) yet entropy and mental health studies disagree [17:19] speaking of straterra [17:20] man cannot ascend from a Fall. [17:20] I thought that was a Slackware dude ... [17:20] TwinReverb: entropy studies? [17:20] nix_chix0r, my doc put me olanzapine which is similar I think [17:20] as entropy takes its effect on our DNA we end up with more health problems [17:20] more mutations to our DNA [17:20] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:20] hey can anyone tell me why my keyboard suddenly stopped working? [17:20] i had to exit x and startx again to make it work [17:20] Has anyone seen strattera around here lately? [17:20] dont worry, there's only 20 to 40 years left. [17:20] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:20] surrealgirl: the batteries died [17:20] you asked that this morning [17:20] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [17:20] mingdao, he basically lurks [17:20] surrealgirl, probably the same reason my mouse buttons dont work [17:20] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.242) joined ##slackware. [17:20] because it hates us [17:21] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-24-24.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:21] mental heath studies... we're finding more evidence of mental illness now, but only because we actually look for it now (100 years ago, crazy people just did crazy stuff until they died, or else they got locked away forever, not studied) [17:21] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.242) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:21] he used to be very active, even had his own slackware live distro, then just sort of fell off [17:21] might be called a real ife for straterra [17:21] Urchlay, that's a huge assumption, even if it seems to make sense [17:21] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.242) joined ##slackware. [17:21] I think it might be because he got a job. [17:21] dive, i really don't think it's a big deal i am against over diagnosing people and all that but i found something that works for me and i will stick with it and continue therapy [17:21] Urchlay: I heard that developed nations have much higher rates of chronic mental illness than 3rd world nations [17:21] or crazy people were considered possesed by the devil [17:21] mingdao: I think stratera buggered out of channel, with the increase in idiots around release time. he has held a job for ages. [17:21] i'm not crasxy [17:21] Heyho [17:21] who said that? [17:21] well crazy is a relative term anyways [17:21] I cannot run the game unreal tournament anymore since I have switched to slackware64. It says "./ut-bin: No such file or directory". But the file exists. Is there a workaround or are those 32bit programs not compatible? [17:22] BP{k}: last time I was around much, he was a high school kid about to get out [17:22] ldd ut-bin [17:22] BP{k}: he told me a couple months back he was coming to the PRC [17:22] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:22] not a dynamic executabl [17:22] ok [17:22] that's ok [17:22] BP{k}: Just hoping they didn't 'get him'. ;) [17:22] TwinReverb: well sure. But I will say this also: "mental illness" is partly a matter of definition. Do you really think ADD/ADHD just suddenly appeared out of nowhere 20 or 30 years ago, and that there were no hyperactive/attention-deficit kids in the 10,000 or however many years of history before that? [17:22] means static, libs in-built [17:22] Tirili, there is a work around (install compat32 libs on slackware64) but i would recommend not bothering with that and just running slackware 32bit [17:23] o0 [17:23] add/adhd is just a financial phenomena [17:23] I think most cases of ADD/ADHD in children are just kids acting like kids, not a "disease" [17:23] Urchlay: kids used to be put to work, not bored senseless in lowest common denominator mind control units [17:23] Quiznos: exactly! [17:23] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.126) joined ##slackware. [17:23] ty [17:23] i agree with Urchlay those problems existed all along [17:23] Urchlay, i do not think it just appeared out of nowhere [17:23] but (and this IS an assumption) i think it has increased in frequency [17:24] due to the entropy of our genetics [17:24] Tirili: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib <- real easy if you want/need 32-bit stuff under Slackware64 [17:24] thank you [17:24] well that's kinda like restless leg syndrome the treatment is similar to an ambien sleeping pill untill some one goes hey my legs fall asleep and get tingly when i try to sleep. i think that might just be poor circulations [17:24] the children at Columbine were being medicated with super-powerful drugs that affected them woefully. [17:24] TwinReverb: I haven't heard about entropy in our genetics before, where can I read more? [17:24] cont (n=cont@host131-115-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:24] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [17:24] pi31415, not sure [17:25] TwinReverb: is it just your opinion then? [17:25] pi31415 has to do with the telermerase at the end of DNA strands [17:25] the problem here is we can't assume that people have always had this many problems, and with the 2nd law of thermodynamics (i.e. entropy) i assume it has increased then [17:25] mingdao, no this is wired [17:25] i_is_cat, weird [17:25] heh boy look at me; i'm a smarty [17:25] lol [17:25] if you watch the news, you might think our culture leads to more child molestation than anything in history... but the truth is, there have always been kid-touchers, but it used to be kept quiet (the victims wouldn't report it, and/or the authorities would turn a blind eye... or else it wasn't considered a crime, like in ancient greece or rome) [17:25] mental heath studies... we're finding more evidence of mental illness now, but only because we actually look for it now (100 years ago, crazy people just did crazy stuff until they died, or else they got locked away forever, not studied) [17:25] kids have a hell of a lot of energy, they should be put to work for two hours every morning at school digging ditches or something, then when they burn off that excess energy they can probably handle sitting still in a classroom [17:25] i have clinical depression but dont like being told im crazy [17:25] mingdao, Hey I figured out the problem last night. I hadn't rebooted after installing the multilibs lol [17:25] Urchlay a few days ago, heard a radio commercial saying that 10's of thousands of children day everyday in america [17:25] lolwut: I saw it a bit after you dozed off. [17:26] as long as the medication that he prescribed me. prevents me from thinking like that crazy bitch who killed her infant with samurai swords and ate his brains just recently im good [17:26] surrealgirl: I didn't call you crazy, did I? Anyway I just got done calling myself crazy, a couple minutes before that... [17:26] the reason i say this is because ADD/ADHD is considered a problem because it is caused (at least the inattentive type) by too much norepinephrine in the brain (ref. strattera and the way it works) [17:26] i read the schizophrenia is not very well defined [17:26] i'm like `bs' there'd be more news on MSM [17:26] if you cannot define it, how can you diagnose someone with it? [17:26] lolwut: I told alienBOB that I didn't see from in here when you rebooted. ;) [17:26] however, hyperactivity itself is not [17:26] lolwut: another of the few times it becomes necessary to reboot Slackware. [17:26] Pig_Pen: I'm with you. [17:26] ADHD doesn't actually exist IMO [17:27] some of the personality factors of add/adhd have been observed in past famous people like inventors and artists but we can't speculate that they had add/adhd [17:27] mingdao, lol [17:27] aceofspades19, it does and some actually have it [17:27] adhd was a dicta from a physcolohist's meeting [17:27] Action: nix_chix0r moves this conversation to ##slackofftopic [17:27] anyways, i should probably take my own medicine and take this to ##slackofftopic [17:27] pi31415: correct. Schizophrenia means "we have no idea why this guy is nuts" in medical parlance. Psychiatrists know about as much about how the mind works as witch doctors knew about how the body works, 5000 years ago [17:27] Pig_Pen: never hurts to give them something challenging to do rather than staying with the low expectations of the herd, either. [17:27] surrealgirl: you can diagnose anyone with adhd [17:27] i'm not moving [17:27] another thing that would do kids a lot of good is keep them away from the sugar in all forms, sugary cerial, candy & soda [17:27] anyone else want to discuss it there? 8-) [17:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428166.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:27] aceofspades19, no you cant lol [17:27] prob not [17:27] i'm fine here [17:27] if we can imagine a disorder then the in-and-out pharmacy will be glad to mix and match meds for it [17:27] CaptNemo (n=CaptNemo@adsl-99-184-95-109.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] shitty doctors sure but good doctors will just say most people are undisciplined and hyper [17:27] surrealgirl: have you seen the symptoms for adhd? [17:28] lolwut: How's everything else on your shiny new Slackware system running? [17:28] aceofspades19, no [17:28] just don't hold up the line [17:28] mingdao: then some basic construction skills could be honed, teach them brick masonry etc... [17:28] erm yes i have [17:28] Can anyone point me to a GUI wifi manager that plays nice with SW? [17:28] Pig_Pen: and TV. Kids who watch tons of TV, they're used to a "reality" where the camera angle changes on average every 3 seconds, and the scene changes every minute or so, and everything is interrupted by commercials every 15 minutes... so of *course* they don't develop a long attention span [17:28] cont (n=cont@host131-115-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:28] efficiency is key [17:28] is this the #medical_bullshit channel, or ##slackware? [17:29] the former [17:29] both [17:29] danc3: par for the course, eh? [17:29] damn [17:29] yup, tv is not good for a developing mind [17:29] CaptNemo: wicd [17:29] mingdao, perfect :D, although I was wondering if it was possible to install quicktime in slackware? [17:29] did you see a REAL Slackware issue actually slip in under the radar? [17:29] TY Dan [17:29] tv is ok to some degree [17:29] lolwut: I think there is something else that works for QuickTime. [17:30] there are no slackware issues... just user issues [17:30] anyway I have to disappear in about 10-15 minutes, so I won't be polluting the pristine slackware-flavored waters for much longer today... [17:30] pbcak [17:30] aww [17:30] pebcak ... [17:30] no e [17:30] you proved it ;0 [17:30] pebkac :) [17:30] i did [17:30] no e [17:30] it's PEBKAC [17:30] yes there is Quiznos, pbcak is just your messed up language. :) [17:30] I proved it too ... do you see it? [17:30] Problem Between kbd and chair [17:31] no e [17:31] yes, E [17:31] problem EXISTS between [17:31] pbecak [17:31] no e [17:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:31] pbcak [17:31] heh [17:31] or chair and keyboard, depending upon which version you learned [17:31] nods [17:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEBKAC [17:31] GG [17:31] gn [17:31] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:31] lolwut: try to ask you question ... seems the ot has moved [17:31] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:33] mingdao, huh? [17:33] 05:34 < lolwut> mingdao, perfect :D, although I was wondering if it was possible to install quicktime in slackware? [17:33] Action: TwinReverb is bummed because people joined ##slackofftopic but no one started talking 8-( [17:33] lolwut we were roodly intr'd [17:33] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:33] lolwut, why do you need quicktime in slackware? [17:33] TwinReverb that's what happs when you try do move [17:33] Quiznos, not always [17:33] hmmm, quicktime videos are playable with mplayer [17:33] I believe that MPlayer and VLC will both play QuickTime movies. [17:33] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] you believe correct [17:34] thrice`: tkx [17:34] correctly [17:34] not sure whether you have to install the win32 codec pack (probably for 100% compatibility, you do) [17:34] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:34] I hate Apple, so don't keep up with their trash. [17:34] KingBeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] mingdao, i != we [17:34] 8-) [17:34] lolwut: Just go to alienBOB's restricted_packages and get all of them. [17:34] is there a mplayer or vlc "plugin" for firefox, Just wanted it for those occasional videos i stumble acrost on the interwebs [17:35] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks fire|bird and goes to bed [17:35] TwinReverb: you're dictionary reading comprehension seems to be improving ... must be the pills. ;) [17:35] mm, I thought mplayerplug-in was a bad choice these days [17:35] lolwut: mplayer-plugin in extra/ [17:35] it's one web; one matrix; the beast of revelation. [17:35] one lie. [17:35] mplayer-plugin lolwut [17:35] Action: fire|bird kicks Camarade_Tux and laughs [17:35] mingdao, no, it's the pills making it easier for me to improve that [17:35] fire|bird: ='( [17:35] err.. mplayerplug-in [17:35] lolwut: for quicktime videos? most web-video these days is flash-based :( [17:35] Camarade_Tux: you started it. :D [17:35] mingdao and sitwon, thanks :D [17:36] fire|bird: you're mean ='( [17:36] no, the vids are translated to flash [17:36] http://code.google.com/p/gecko-mediaplayer/ I think is a good choice [17:36] urchlay, most but not all [17:36] thrice`: I've always had the best luck with that one. [17:36] lolwut: I tried to catch you ealier, but you changed your nick. ;) [17:36] qarb (i=1000@fibhost-66-163-80.fibernet.hu) left irc: "Távozom" [17:36] thrice`: there's a vlc plugin [17:36] how many video players/encoders are there for Linux that _don't_ use libavcodec? [17:37] yeah, i had my netbook in the irc earler so this box defaulted to my next nic option or w/e [17:37] Quiznos: I mean, most sites with videos, they have an embedded player app written in flash, and the actual video stream is "flv" format (flash video, I dunno what that actually is, but it's not any of the mpeg standards) [17:37] sitwon: xine? [17:37] if you don't have flash, or if your flash plugin doesn't work right, you generally can't even get enough information to just download the video and watch it in an external app [17:38] Urchlay yea; i've clicked deep and found the site that sells the converter [17:38] Urchlay: Google is your friend -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video [17:38] the vids are converted to flash [17:38] mingdao: sorry, I spoke inaccurately: I should have said "I don't care enough to find out the details of flash video encoding" :) [17:39] Camarade_Tux: yea, that's one. but I can't think of many others that aren't specific to a particular codec/format [17:39] i say bull, i watch flash in firefox all the time, and it gets saved to /tmp/Flash* [17:39] ``we off to see the linux, the wonderful linux of oz.'' [17:39] Quiznos: on the server side, they're converted. The client just sees a flash video stream, so that's what the client should be able to play [17:39] cp the file when it's done downloading and watch it any old time [17:39] nods [17:39] booya!! [17:39] bo0! [17:39] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [17:40] howdy all. [17:40] hi [17:40] hallo [17:40] TwinReverb: right. But for some unholy reason, *my* flash plugin explodes and takes the browser with it, for 90% of the sites out there with flash video on them. Youtube works fine, most myspace pages crash it (even ones with embedded flash music players, not video) [17:40] i feel alittle trollish like some people feel alil peckish :0 [17:40] lol [17:40] lessee who's around? [17:40] who needs a good pokage? [17:40] trollage? [17:41] TwinReverb: and I have no damn idea why. "rm -rf ~/.mozilla" and start from scratch with a fresh install of the browser + plugin didn't help. [17:41] Urchlay, then try having a shared /home like i do. i can only use one flash player kind without it breaking something [17:41] agentc0re i think you have a need. [17:41] :) [17:41] unless i want to script .profile but that would be getting a bit annoying [17:42] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [17:42] TwinReverb: oh, you share /home between different distros and/or different arches? yeah, keeping binary plugins in /home was a horrid design decision in that case... [17:42] Urchlay, well like i said i could script it but why? [17:42] er, s/why/but i don't feel like it [17:42] Strangelove (n=Barabbas@172-172-222-85.adsl.verat.net) left irc: "Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq] (n)" [17:43] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [17:43] I get better results with 32-bit flash9 + nspluginwrapper than I did with native 64-bit flash10 plugin, but it still sucks pretty bad. [17:43] Quiznos: and that need is some booya! [17:43] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) joined ##slackware. [17:43] :p [17:44] well you know me, my trollage is mental [17:44] am considering switching to damn 32-bit firefox (I have fred's -compat32 stuff, it ought to work) [17:44] subtle too [17:44] I know a guy who got so pissed off at flash crashing that he ended up using wine to run the windows build of firefox + windows flash plugin. He says it's actually a lot more stable... [17:45] heh [17:45] Urchlay, 64bit flash worked fine in slackware64 for me [17:45] that's desperatin [17:45] granted, they do warn you that it's BETA [17:45] ooooo testing oooo is this thing on? [17:45] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:45] TwinReverb: right. You and 90% of the people in here I've mentioned it to. Unfortunately, all you people saying "works for me!" doesn't help me and the 2 or 3 other people for whom it doesn't work... [17:45] how come I never have any problems with flash? [17:46] Urchlay, i don't see them making it necessarily easy to diagnose [17:46] every installation is different [17:46] right [17:46] it's impossible to diagnose [17:46] not impossible; difficult [17:46] instant segfault, no debugging symbols in either firefix-bin or the flash plugin [17:46] well that can be changed easily [17:47] -g -ggdb -lSegfault [17:47] for firefox, yes. For the *binary-only* flash plugin? [17:47] or SegFault [17:47] even if it had debugging symbols, there's no source code [17:47] ter is for ffox [17:47] there [17:47] but firefox isn't the problem [17:47] then use gnash [17:48] gnash doesn't even come close to working yet [17:48] k [17:48] the highly annoying thing here is that almost all *non-video* flash works fine [17:49] and youtube.com works fine [17:50] and honestly, if weird flash sites didn't work, I wouldn't care, except that it murders the entire browser (I'd be perfectly OK to have a tab with a non-working flash app in it, just don't kill everything else) [17:50] yea [17:50] Urchlay: why don't you post a URI to a site that crashes for you? [17:51] mingdao: OK, hang on a sec, let me find the one where it happened a couple hours ago [17:51] k [17:51] http://www.amctv.com/originals/the-prisoner/ <--- click the "play the video" link under "sneak peek" [17:53] when I do that, firefox does not pass go or collect $200, it goes straight to /dev/null [17:53] Urchlay: It doesn't crash here, but I do get a message saying it can't be played from my country. [17:54] They don't like Chinese people using the Intranut in Amurika, apparently. [17:54] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [17:54] fun [17:55] anyway I have to disappear now, time to go to the gig [17:55] i tell ya, the best actor in te Matrix series is the actor playing Mr Smith [17:55] Quiznos: "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr.... Baggins" [17:55] is that other stuf he did? [17:55] yeah, he was the king elf in Lord of the Rings [17:55] ah [17:55] Arntsen_ (n=quassel@ti112210a080-1931.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [17:55] gn [17:56] see all you happy people later [17:56] CaptNemo (n=CaptNemo@adsl-99-184-95-109.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] Only the slow-mo bullet is a good actor in that series [17:56] Urchlay: I fired up a proxy server and it plays okay. Some paraniod guy on a gurney... [17:57] Urchlay: is your /tmp full? [17:58] he's gone [17:59] He might be able to read the buffer ... who knows. [17:59] He might even use /lastlog ;) [17:59] yea [17:59] Quiznos: can you DCC me a nice sub? [17:59] sorry we're closed for renovations [17:59] I sure miss those convenient drive-thru subs. [17:59] figures [18:00] I could swap you for some chicken feet, of even chicken heads. ;) [18:00] k [18:00] fnord0 (n=root@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:00] Action: mingdao DCC's Quiznos some nice, clean, boiled feet [18:01] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] omg daisy fuentes on wgn [18:02] mingdao: you're making me hungry [18:02] Action: mingdao DCC's mrselfpwn some nice, clean, boiled feet [18:03] pinky toe taste good with eggs. [18:03] yah! [18:03] i've discovered brown rice (i premade) and eggs [18:03] turmeric [18:03] fresh black pepper [18:03] bacon. [18:03] in one pot [18:03] o [18:03] k [18:04] cool [18:04] The only brown rice here is what the chickens dropped instead of eating. [18:04] ew [18:04] Quiznos: how you premake brown rice? [18:04] Urchlay: i just watched that preview of The Village, it looks like a good show, i gotta watch that in November [18:04] You mean pre-cooked? [18:04] befreo i need it [18:04] ok [18:04] nods [18:04] ahead of time [18:04] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:05] Pig_Pen Urchlay said he is gone to his gig [18:05] What does he play? [18:05] ok [18:05] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:05] band [18:05] base guitar i think [18:05] bass [18:06] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:06] aldcor (i=500@ip-127-221.zb.lv) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: "leaving" [18:07] aic (n=anrxc@yoda.im) joined ##slackware. [18:07] aic (n=anrxc@yoda.im) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] please could anybody help me? I'm trying to open *.rar with password protected but when i open file there is no place to write password in... just error shows up.. what to do? [18:08] i'm trying it with Ark [18:08] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] use a terminal, just type in: rar /path/to/file.rar [18:09] ok, i'll try [18:09] get unrar [18:09] unrar would be most helpful :D [18:10] it's around somewhere [18:10] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:10] maybe on lp [18:10] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [18:10] NO! get the source and build it, stay away from linuxpackages.net [18:11] adamk__ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] rar? is there really kind a command? [18:11] rar/unrar isnt foss [18:11] bins only [18:11] yea aldcor [18:11] -su: rar: command not found [18:11] install it [18:11] adamk__ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:12] i'll try :) [18:12] from slackbuilds? [18:12] no [18:12] googl [18:12] yes, slackbuilds [18:12] don [18:12] er [18:12] is there a build fo rit? [18:12] don't listen to Quiznos, is the first rule to follow [18:12] :D [18:12] pffifle [18:12] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) left irc: [18:12] aldcor: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/unrar/ [18:13] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/unrar/ get the source and the slackbuild and build it [18:13] i allready found it [18:13] but i got 12.0 :) [18:13] either way, shouldn't matter much [18:13] with unrar, anyway [18:13] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.0/system/unrar/ [18:14] :) [18:14] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Operation timed out [18:14] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] dang Quiznos i never figured you to point people at lp.net i hoped you would have a better character than that [18:17] ok, it's moved to /tmp ... now i'll try to unpack my protected archive :) [18:17] heh [18:18] you ozone breathers here are the one's who scoff :) [18:18] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.30.135) joined ##slackware. [18:18] hi [18:18] Quiznos, how to understand it? [18:19] i'm not so good at eng.. [18:19] aldcor: "installpkg" is the best way to install packages [18:19] eng.? neither am i [18:19] wth are talkin bout? [18:19] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:20] yea, i have used installpkg [18:21] now i'm trying to figure it out - how to use unrar [18:21] ah [18:21] and yes, it's funny for i guess :) [18:21] unrar e archive.rar I think [18:22] ah, so at first i have to jump at the directory with rar file within [18:22] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [18:22] well, unrar e /patch/to/crappy/file.rar [18:22] path * [18:23] Arntsen_ (n=quassel@ti112210a080-1931.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:23] Arntsen___ (n=quassel@ti112210a080-1931.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. 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[18:25] that's quite an accomplishment [18:25] thanks [18:25] ahh [18:25] you already put it online aldcor? http://farm1.static.flickr.com/16/22384040_637e9444fb.jpg [18:25] http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9hn3e/why_i_switched_from_php_to_python/ [18:25] ou yeah :D [18:26] haha, look at little jeev [18:26] lol [18:26] it's me at the right :D [18:26] yea right thrice` [18:26] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:26] http://imagebin.org/62649 [18:26] don't be embarassed [18:27] lol [18:27] i now guy with fingers like that :) creapy [18:27] he's playing guitar [18:27] tell me more about it [18:27] i have no x [18:27] and sometimes scares people doing that wird finger stuff [18:27] wierd* [18:28] ..... no pr0n [18:28] i can't express fully... not so good at this lanuage [18:28] when my oldest boy was about 4 years old he got a kick out that trick where you use your thumb to fake that pulling your finger off trick [18:29] yea [18:29] Cannot open /home/aldcor/Desktop/new/2.rar [18:29] No such file or directory [18:29] but there is! [18:29] chk mode on file [18:29] if it says there isn't there isn't [18:30] linux don't lie [18:30] try "file ~/Desktop/new/2.rar" [18:31] wierd.. [18:31] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] I forgot how to set uid on a specific program? [18:32] so that I can run something as a different user [18:32] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] programs don't have uid [18:33] uid is user id, users have uid [18:33] fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-67-251-7-122.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:33] programs have a UID they are running under however [18:33] Sorry about that [18:33] xchat crashes as soon as I asked [18:33] I need to set the running uid of the sonar screensaver so.. [18:33] it was protecting you from my response [18:34] if you want to run a program as a different user, either "su user" or "su user -c 'command'" [18:34] what about: su -c ? [18:34] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [18:34] kinda hackish, but that will do it [18:34] I know I can do that [18:34] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.205.35.201.res.dyn.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:35] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-167-14.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:36] what the hell? 85mb file extracted but linux just ignore it? [18:36] how? [18:37] I got it [18:38] I forgot that the first octal bit iwas the suid [18:38] only if it is 4 [18:40] or rather & 4 = 4 [18:41] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@190.71.24.178) joined ##slackware. [18:43] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [18:45] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.30.135) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:46] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] is 13.0 better? [18:46] than 12.0 ? [18:47] Arntsen___ (n=quassel@ti112210a080-1931.bb.online.no) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:47] everything except kde [18:49] is it worse or same ? [18:49] anyway... should i use 13.0? i have never done it before... i have never tried to upgrade version [18:49] aldcor: if you want [18:50] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [18:50] maybe it's last time to do it :) [18:51] aldcor: upgrading from 12.0 to 13.0 is not an easy task ... better to do a fresh install [18:52] i had no trouble with the upgrade [18:52] aldcor: otherwise you might need to go 12.0 > 12.1 > 12.2 > 13.0 -- read the UPGRADE.TXT file for 13.0 [18:52] mrselfpwn: from 12.0 to 13.0? [18:52] ah nvm [18:52] i would definitely NOT recommend upgrading 12 -> 13 [18:52] I thought so. [18:53] but how about files on HDD? [18:53] It can be done, but really a fresh install is much better. [18:53] if you have only one partition (i.e. /) then you can sort of clean install without losing /home [18:53] backup [18:53] host47 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) joined ##slackware. [18:53] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-167-14.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] host47 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) left ##slackware. [18:53] TwinReverb: I think you said that backwards. [18:53] well yeah, back your stuff up and try out ext4 but if you can't, you can boot the installer (13.0), mount your / as /mnt, then delete all directories except home, then unmount and start the setup process [18:54] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [18:54] If you have only one partition then you CAN NOT do a fresh install without losing ~/ [18:54] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:54] "sort of" clean install would mean (in my mind) the instructions i gave [18:54] host47 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) joined ##slackware. [18:54] a truly clean install requires formatting the partition [18:54] host48 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) joined ##slackware. [18:54] i'd say back up though, since ext4 is faster [18:54] That's an invitation for disaster. [18:54] yeah it could be [18:54] the best solution is always to have backups [18:55] aldcor: Next time you install, put /home on it's own partition. [18:55] it's possible to lost backup? :) [18:55] backup your backup :P [18:55] host48 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) left ##slackware. [18:55] aldcor: Then whenever you want to upgrade or do a fresh install, you select the mount point for /home but do NOT format it. [18:55] how big is suggested for / with a base slack 13 install? [18:55] aldcor: Depends upon where backup is located. [18:56] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [18:56] mrselfpwn: depends upon how much software you're planning to add? where /tmp is located, /var, such as that [18:56] /dev/root 9.4G 5.7G 3.3G 64% / [18:56] mrselfpwn: size of hard disk ... all variables that only you can decide [18:56] i know, how much does the default install take? [18:56] i have 5.7G used on my / but remember that i have openoffice [18:56] sounds too hard for me... i'm not sure i could do it without problems. I even don't know how to make backup, where it should be and how to use that backup it smth goes wrong [18:56] the installer says 4.8+GB [18:56] ah okay [18:57] if* [18:57] ty [18:57] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:57] aldcor, do you have something you can back your stuff up to? [18:57] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:57] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [18:57] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host112-65-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:57] ˙hi, anyone uses mutt+gpg? because I'm trying to solve a problem when gpg spams with output the mutt interface [18:57] ˙If anyone could confirm the same issue to me would be great in order to confirm it is a bug [18:58] TwinReverb, example..? [18:58] other hdd ? [18:58] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [18:58] aldcor, DVD? other HDD? USB stick? [18:58] how much stuff do you have to back up and do you have something that can hold it all? [18:59] aldcor: another computer on your LAN? [18:59] host47: mutt here but not using gpg atm [19:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:00] mingdao: the problem is when mutt handles the gpg output messages [19:00] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@190.71.24.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:00] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [19:00] mingdao: do you get the mutt interface sometimes spammed with gpg messages when for example a gpg sign verification fails? [19:01] host47 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) left ##slackware. [19:01] host48 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) joined ##slackware. [19:01] well, it would be nice... and than there wil be gurantee that my files is still safe if they're in other hdd or whereever else [19:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [19:01] host48: I am not using gpg at the moment with mutt. I do receive messages signed by gpg, but have not verified them. [19:02] i have to think about it before i do it.. i better will make copy somehow before do anything [19:02] aldcor: when you find where to put them, consider using "rsync" for copying your data [19:02] whats the mutt/gpg issue? [19:02] mancha: 07:05 < host47> mingdao: do you get the mutt interface sometimes spammed with gpg messages when for example a gpg sign verification fails? [19:03] mancha: sometimes mutt doens't handle correctly the gpg messages [19:03] mancha: and the output stdout of gpg gets merged with the mutt interface (ncurses) which is a bad thing [19:03] whats your muttrc like? [19:04] mancha: give me a second to paste my muttrc somewhere [19:04] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] rsync looks very useable tool :) [19:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [19:06] aldcor: it checks the files on the destination and the source [19:06] aldcor: so you don't copy bad files [19:07] mancha: http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/RqMX4OSKyr [19:08] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-132-5.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:08] this whole new version thing makes me excited... i would really like to get 13.0 without waste of time during copying.. especially i really dont't have hardware to copy them [19:09] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.185.76) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:09] ok, what're the gpg error messages and when do they happen, when you use your verify command? [19:09] i have idea... how about partition? can i make partition somehow right now and than copy file to that empty partition.. than clean / and install 13.0 right there [19:10] files* [19:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [19:11] mancha: usually when a signed email is verify, mutt handles correctly the verification but the gpg messages that are sent to mutt are also sent to the stdout so they get merged with the ncurses interface [19:12] mancha: I'm not sure if it is a problem with my config or if it's really a bug in mutt, because I would look to mutt source if I confirm that it is a bug [19:12] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.184.113) joined ##slackware. [19:13] why are you piping this to stderr? "--status-fd=2" [19:13] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] mancha: mmm, I'm gona try to remove it, I just copy the gpg commands from some doc [19:14] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.207.81) left irc: "Leaving" [19:14] mancha: I try some modifications, but I didn't have look to that [19:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:15] try removing that and let me know... [19:15] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:16] Nick change: appzer0_ -> appzer0 [19:17] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:17] mancha, it's possible to make partition with 12.0 ISO CD "cfdisk" ? [19:17] mancha: nothing changen when I removed those lines [19:17] yes [19:18] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-132-5.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:18] so maybe i can copy files into that partition i make and install 13.0 on other partition? [19:19] sure [19:19] officergris (n=officerg@tark-b-131.resnet.purdue.edu) left irc: "Have to go" [19:19] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:19] but i will be able to see these files? [19:20] host, so it looks like: set pgp_verify_command="gpg --no-verbose --quiet --batch --output - --verify %s %f" ? [19:20] yes, once you boot slack13, you can mount the partition you put the files on [19:20] host48: i think your config is totally wrong. first of all theres no /usr/lib/mutt [19:20] mancha: yes [19:21] how to mount this partition? [19:21] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:21] mount -t [19:21] host48: if you're gonna copy your config from somewhere try here: http://codesorcery.net/old/mutt/mutt-gnupg-howto [19:21] oops [19:22] put a device node after mount [19:22] sahko: I use this config in my debian machine and mi Slackware machine, those lines problably make sense only in debiab, but the issue is the same in both distributions [19:23] say the partition is /dev/hda2 then once in slack13 you would mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt/myfiles (if it is ext3) [19:24] host, make verify-key also --no-verbose [19:24] yes [19:24] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:24] you don't usually even need to specify the type but it's all good [19:24] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:24] afaik there is a way to upgrade ext3 to ext4 but i would NOT do that if your information is not backed up [19:24] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-110-52.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:25] i guess i'd have to see a sample of the gpg stuff thats being sent to your screen, i've never had this problem [19:26] allrighty, thanks for support... i'll go sleep now.. =] [19:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:27] sweet my keyboard dried out, no more random sending of "k" [19:27] now i have two spares too [19:28] Action: TwinReverb wonders if they could make a dishwasher-safe keyboard [19:28] aldcor (i=500@ip-127-221.zb.lv) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] they do [19:28] mancha: screenshots --> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29661972/screen1.png , http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29662002/screen2.png [19:29] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:30] the crap is that thing on thre last line? [19:31] mancha: yes, and after that is printent, the mutt interface broke a little and I have to redraw with Ctrl+l after each signed email [19:31] thats not a mutt related problem. its your gpg config [19:31] mancha: *printed [19:31] host, ok, let's see i think i know what's wrong [19:31] sahko: I suppose, but could be something in the gpg commands? because I tried some changes and nothing [19:32] host, i actually think it is a gpg config issue, i bet it is trying and failing to retrieve the key from the keyserver [19:32] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:32] john_dee (n=id@93.81.71.217) left irc: "link closed" [19:34] host48: can you try adding this to your muttrc? set crypt_verify_sig=yes [19:36] mancha: yes, I disable the key fetching feature to not to get every one key, I just use a small key set. But when they email is correctly verify with its signature, the good messages are also merged in the interface [19:37] host48: btw did you ask in #mutt ? [19:37] host, we can solve the good messages stuff i think, try adding set pgp_good_sign="Good signature from" [19:37] sahko: yes I asked but nobody seems to say something [19:38] sahko: ˙set crypt_verify_sig=yes doesn't improve my issue [19:39] yeah [19:39] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-234-31.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] host, hrmm, this might be a mutt bug then, what mutt version do you have? [19:39] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:40] mancha: debian 1.5, slackware 1.4, same issue [19:40] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-215-104.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:41] 1.4 is quite old as is 1.5 i think? you can fix the good messages with what i suggested (i am quite sure). the bad sigs is i am not sure what to do...have you looked at mutt changelogs to see if this has been addressed ever? [19:42] what happens if you run the pgp_verify_command manually? [19:43] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [19:43] sahko: gpg generates correctly the corresponding messages over stderr [19:45] mancha: I tried the good_sing change but nothing improved [19:46] mancha, sahko: anyway, thanks a lot for the help, I just wanted to know if someone have the same problem [19:46] I'll be trying to play with my config to see if it solves the issue [19:49] Nick change: g4tt0 -> g4tt1 [19:49] Nick change: g4tt1 -> g4tt0 [19:50] this is starting to sound more and more like a message handling problem, try to review the mutt changelog to see if its been addressed or ask the #mutt gurus [19:51] mancha: ok, thank you [19:51] np [19:51] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Fuck off with your Star Trek ideas" [19:52] :| [19:54] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-110-52.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:55] dorin_ro (n=dorin@89.123.184.113) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:55] host48: see http://polarwave.openbsd101.com/muttgpgkeys.html the part where theres keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve in bold [19:56] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left ##slackware ("exit, stage left"). [19:56] does anyone know of any software that will help me create a network topology? [19:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-220-166.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:59] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [20:00] sahko: yes, when a message like that is shown "PGP signature could NOT be verified." the mutt interface brokes, but I don't know why yet [20:00] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:01] that isnt what the link says, also what does brokes mean? [20:01] brokes/breaks whatever. its not broken on your screenshots [20:03] sahko: in the bottom mutt status bar an "F" appears and the email index stop to draw correctly the selected email and the emails threads when you move arround [20:04] the issue is it messes up the ncurses interface [20:04] this might have been addressed in mutt patches, mind you the 1.4 (stable) branch is from 2007 [20:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [20:05] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-137-14.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:06] host48: if thats debian mutt, it because its patched. also i see you have a trash in your config, so the application is patched even further. not to mention gmail doesnt really do imap. one of those, or all of them might cause problems [20:06] on the other hand, Slackware's mutt is ancient [20:06] sahko, do you understand it is an ncurses issue? [20:07] i.e he needs to "refresh" is screen to get things back on track after that message/warning [20:07] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [20:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:07] that warning is irrelevant to the breakage. [20:08] i ve seen the warning in the past here. mutt never broke [20:09] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [20:11] sahko: ok, anyway I need to try a few things more to see what can be causing my trouble [20:11] I just installed slackware 13 64-bit on my Gateway NV laptop, and right off the bat, I love it! Great install as always with a few nice changes! My drives were detected and I was asked to set the permissions right there in the setup! :-) Practically everything works great right off. My last system was back in slack 10 days. xorgconfig is gone now, replaced with xorgsetup? It just seems strange to me that xorgsetup has no options that I can see, and [20:11] no man page. Is this correct? [20:12] RipVanWi1kle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] xorg in in v13 is almost 99% config-free [20:12] try to run X, does it just work? [20:12] mancha: also his config is totally useless for Slackware's default mutt he says he's using. he cant even send email. 1.4.x doesnt support smtp. maybe he should ask in debian [20:13] It did just fire up fully functional right away :-) [20:13] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [20:14] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:15] In the past, I would have to do some configuring. It's great, I guess I need to install the ATI proprietary drivers to fix the choppyness of my refresh rate? [20:16] I'm having some undesirable video sluggishness. [20:16] what ati card do you have? be sure you want to go proprietary first [20:16] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-220-166.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:18] ATI Radeon HD 3200, I think it's supposed to use shared memory [20:19] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] dunno, ymmv i just dislike closed source stuff on my boxen so i'm not the right person to ask about fglrx :> [20:19] blackula, radeonhd didn't work ou too well? [20:19] Nick change: phoenix^ -> Guest53839 [20:20] Nick change: Guest53839 -> phoenix^ [20:21] ccfreak2k, lsmod tells me that radeon is loaded not radeonhd, does this matter? [20:21] I would assume so. [20:21] Did you specify radeonhd in your xorg.conf file? [20:22] I did not. Thank you! I can certainly do that. I'm used to using xorgconfig. I'll just edit. Thanks [20:23] how about nuking the .conf altogether, is it not autodetecting? [20:23] Nick change: Instained_Atom -> BadAtom [20:23] Nick change: BadAtom -> Instained_Atom [20:23] Seems like its not, checking file now. [20:25] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [20:26] Nope Driver "radeon" [20:26] not hd [20:27] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:30] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) joined ##slackware. [20:39] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [20:40] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:40] host48 (n=ricardo@193.153.183.55) left ##slackware. [20:42] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] ccfreak2k, thanks for the tip, x started fine, but there is no difference in the video quality. Video seems like it refreshes slowly, too choppy. [20:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] blackula, you mean performance-wise or just the monitor refresh rate? [20:43] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] sorry, performance-wise, and video being everything not playback of a mpg or something. [20:45] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-16-242.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:45] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-201-141.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428166.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] gm152_ (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] Well, it might just be that your window manager doesn't have accelerated drawing or anything., [20:45] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] could be. seems the same in kde, fluxbox and Xfce [20:48] might be that my laptop was bought with vista installed and the ATI chipset made use of some shared memory, and i'm not sure if I can use the card to its fullest potential. [20:49] is that an embedded video on the motherboard blackula ? [20:50] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [20:50] yes, embedded :-( [20:50] laptop? or desktop? [20:50] laptop [20:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.53.201) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:50] then buying a video card is not an option? [20:51] not that I know of. That would be a bummer. [20:51] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] i dont think you can, but it wont hurt to dig through the owner's manual and see [20:53] so i'm pretty much out of luck with the embedded ATI chipset because of the shared video memory issue? [20:54] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:54] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [20:54] hi [20:54] you can always use it for CLI and a framebuffer, i have an old laptop with an ati mach64 with only 16 megs of video ram and it makes great command line system [20:55] There are ATI proprietary drivers on the ATI website. I don't think they have one specifically for slack [20:55] this laptop is way too old, it is probably 10 years old, it has a win98 OEM stick on the bottom [20:56] sticker* [20:56] yea a mach64... your stuck with the 'ati' xorg driver, or vesa [20:56] It's got a VGA out that I have plugged into a 19" LG. What's funny is that it detects display1, laptop display, and HDMI [20:57] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.148.134) joined ##slackware. [20:57] hi all [20:57] Yea, I had an old dell laptop for a while [20:57] blackula: You can download the drivers from AMD and then build a slack package with the --buildpkg Slackware/All option. [20:57] xorg would run on it but not all that great, web browsers would choke and lock up on websites with any amount of graphics and javascript, an animated gif would really mess it up [20:58] blackula: Should work just fine on 13. I tested it on my HD3450. [20:58] build a slackware package like adamk says, you've got nothing to lose [20:58] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-215-104.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] Thanks adamk [20:58] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.51.183) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:58] what is --buildpkg ? [20:59] a parameter to include with the ati driver??? [20:59] oo, nevermind [20:59] i am guessing [20:59] i thought he was saying to do that for the OSS driver. guess I should read a bit closer :D [20:59] hoping adamk knows what he is talking about [20:59] I'm going that route. Is that what you did for your HD3450, [21:00] thrice`: It builds native packages for various distributions. [21:00] blackula: I did. Just for testing. I usually use an x1900 with the open source drivers, and that's what I'm using now. [21:01] http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2889/img0025az.jpg [21:03] Thanks adamk, That's great! That'll give me something work on. I took a 3 year break from linux as I had to spend all my computing time on a Mac. I like the feel of this laptop with slack on it. :-) [21:04] sweet! looks tasty nix_chix0r [21:09] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-137-14.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:09] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Pig_Pen, yeah [21:09] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [21:10] fErnando|w (i=960103@189.83.32.189) left irc: "leaving" [21:15] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.126) left ##slackware. [21:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-156-111.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:19] Action: nix_chix0r shares with Pig_Pen [21:23] that stuff looks like only a couple of tokes would do it [21:25] yeah and you're good for 4hrs at least [21:25] anyone get vmware workstation running in slackware? [21:26] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-156-111.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:26] out of curiosty what are the advantages to vmware over say liek virtual box [21:26] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [21:26] i've heard that there are a few but i've never used vmware [21:27] I have never used virtual box, but you can't use ollydb in it from what I have read [21:27] Virtual Box is running really nicely on my Slackware64 systems. [21:27] i see well sorry i couldn't help you any [21:28] before it was an issue of not having opengl/directx support [21:28] but they have added in 3.0.2 [21:29] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.37.32) joined ##slackware. [21:29] using VirtualBox-3.0.4-50677-Linux_amd64.run here dhw [21:29] do you know if you can use ollydbg? [21:29] I don't even know what that is. [21:30] its a debugger [21:30] i only breifly messed with it and never rlly used it so i'm not entirly sure what it can do [21:30] But I do have 3D acceleration in VBox. [21:30] hrm [21:31] hi [21:31] dhw: My needs are for Adobe InDesign and Photoshop, primarily. Also a couple other things. [21:31] yeah [21:31] dhw: I was surprised, having tried kqemu and vmware before. [21:31] from what I am reading virtual box does not support hardware breakpoints [21:31] With VBox now WinXP installed faster, boots faster, and runs faster than natively on the same drive. [21:32] have you use vmware before? [21:32] Yes, a couple of years ago. [21:32] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] reti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:32] I have heard good things about VirtualBox, just wondering if it's as good as vmware. [21:32] i have problem whit new driver intel 2.8 and X 1.6.3, can you help? [21:32] I have also used kqemu, and neither performed anywhere close to VBox. [21:33] g4tt0: state the problem, maybe someone can [21:33] i wish there was an easy way to chroot sftp [21:33] I don't personally run any Intel graphics, but other guys do. [21:33] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.30.3) joined ##slackware. [21:33] i have 2 warning [21:34] well, I shall try Virtual Box, it looks nice worth a shot :) [21:34] http://nopaste.com/p/aPUVrg0nu [21:34] thanks for the help [21:35] I use the PUEL version. [21:35] g4tt0: Do your mouse and keyboard work? [21:35] yes [21:35] So what's the problem? :-) [21:35] Those are all warnings. [21:35] Nothing you need to worry about unless something isn't working properly. [21:36] the crazy waring :-) [21:36] mangdao: PUEL version. was that directed to me? [21:36] (WW) intel(0): Existing errors found in hardware state. [21:36] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.37.32) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:37] did any of you see that video of that Apple store getting hit by that gang of smash & grab robbers [21:37] g4tt0: Again, just a warning. The driver will continue to plug along and hopefully everything will work fine. [21:37] g4tt0: Besides, it's not like we can do anything about your GPUs hardware state, is it? :-) [21:37] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.5.248) joined ##slackware. [21:37] on slackbuilds.org should I get virtualbox-kernel and virtualbox-ose [21:38] that's what I am guessing [21:38] dhw: I just got it from Virtual Box. [21:38] oh okay [21:40] dhw: The installer is straight up and builds the kernel module. [21:40] dhw: Make sure your normal user is in vboxusers group. I think it even did that for me, but can't remember. [21:41] dhw: I don't build a package for it, since it's a binary and a kernel change requires to do it over. [21:41] # All distributions i386 [21:41] is that what you grabbed, I did not see one for slackware on their page [21:41] dhw: Plus, iirc it provides an uninstaller. Get the UserManual also. [21:42] no ... see my file name ^^^ ? [21:42] you just had the amd64 version [21:42] Works for Intel, also. [21:42] VirtualBox-3.0.4-50677-Linux_x86.run [21:43] I have it running on a Core2Duo. [21:43] that's what I would have to grab [21:43] x86? [21:43] your box? [21:43] correct [21:43] I do not use 64bit [21:43] k [21:44] On x86_64 it would be faster, I suppose. [21:44] yea [21:44] all right ill su - and run the installer [21:44] Because it supports VT-x/AMD-V, PAE, and nested paging. [21:45] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:46] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [21:47] does the slackware 13.0 full install come with a pdf reader? [21:47] ues [21:47] yes [21:47] I figured as much, what would it be? [21:47] okular or some strange name [21:47] okay [21:47] xpdf. [21:47] I still prefer the Adobe Acrobat [21:48] actually kpdf also, eh? [21:48] Was it replaced by okular in KDE4? [21:48] I don't know ... no Qt of KDE here. [21:49] oklular is the default pdf viewer in kde4 [21:49] Don't want to taint my Slackware system. ;) [21:49] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.5.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:49] s/of/or [21:50] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-162-179.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:50] wo [21:50] SCIM quit working ... what else is new? [21:51] you have to have a sun account to load it? [21:51] oh guess you can just cancel [21:51] I was going to say that is weak [21:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-162-179.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:56] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:11] is LIBDIR the correct variable for specifying the library location? I exported it, but my script still can't find the library [22:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:12] redtricycle : LD_LIBRARY_PATH. however, first you should tell us what you want to accomplish. [22:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [22:14] ananke: triyng to compile ledger on a not slackware system [22:14] on my webserver [22:14] so its library isn't in the default location [22:14] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:14] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) joined ##slackware. [22:14] ow man [22:14] slackware64 13 is rocking [22:14] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [22:15] i used to run current, and did a fresh reinstall just to check 13.0 [22:15] Hmmm? If it's a non-Slackware system, why are you asking here? [22:15] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Motoko-chan, how's the e100? [22:15] tediosu (i=shipp@yunix.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:15] Because this is the only Linux channel I hang out in...and it's filled with smart people [22:15] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Well, you'll probably want to read the Makefile of whatever you're compiling. [22:16] Hello. [22:16] It worked once I installed kernel-firmware [22:16] smart people in here? [22:16] never! [22:16] But no idea why kernel-firmware wasn't installed? [22:16] No idea. [22:16] slackpkg just didn't do it. [22:17] Here's the config string I'm using ./configure --prefix=/home/redtricycle/ CPPFLAGS=-I/home/redtricycle/lib LDFLAGS=-L/home/redtricycle/lib [22:17] I made note for future running upgrades [22:18] If I upgrade (which is rare, usually I reinstall) I always manually installpkg kernel-* packages. [22:18] I never upgradepkg those. [22:18] Hm [22:18] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:20] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.211.125) joined ##slackware. [22:20] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.14.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] Nick change: RipVanWi1kle -> RipVanWinkle [22:21] redtricycle: LDFLAGS shouldn't really need to be touched. for autotools, --libdir is proper to specify *output* libs [22:21] also, you probably don't want to specify your output as /home/redtricycle [22:21] maybe /home/redtricycle/temp or so [22:22] (be sure it exists first) [22:22] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] CaptNemo (n=CaptNemo@adsl-99-184-95-109.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] I just spent all day getting Slack 13 (64b) on a Toshiba Satellite..... [22:24] is that it? :) [22:25] i just flew in from Vegas, boy are my arms tired [22:25] Is this satellite in orbit of Earth? [22:25] Can anyone tell me why the sound device files (/dev/snd & /dev/dsp) are set to wr_wr____? and why a chmod 666 doesn't stick on a reboot? [22:25] udevilish doing [22:26] The udevil made me udo it. [22:26] I ended up adding the user to audio group... how do I fix correctly? [22:26] yes, did you run adduser? [22:27] that is correctly [22:27] Um, adding the user to audio group looks correct to me. [22:27] your perms will be wiped by udev when you reboot [22:27] alienjeff (n=alienjef@unaffiliated/alienjeff) left ##slackware ("<--- Visit the Fringe http://alienjeff.net --->"). [22:27] I'd rather wr_wr_wr_ the stuff so all the users don't also have to be added to audio group [22:27] stinkin udev [22:28] the proper way is to add your users to the audio group [22:28] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] CaptNemo: that adduser thing makes it easy [22:28] What is did was usermod [22:28] and THAT created a new problem! [22:28] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.30.3) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:28] s/THAT/I [22:28] wicd worked GREAT for ROOT but user didn't have permission [22:29] so, I had to add USER to netdev [22:29] becuase you aren't in the netdev group [22:29] ...group [22:29] when you run adduser, it says "I recommend you add yourself to these groups" [22:29] firedix (n=firedix@host84.200-117-198.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:29] when I usermoded user to add to audio group, it wiped the entry for netdev [22:29] then use gpasswd instead of usermod [22:29] or, learn the proper syntax for usermod [22:30] so I ended up manually editing /etc/group [22:30] are you listening at all? [22:30] or just typing ? [22:30] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] CaptNemo : use 'gpasswd -a' next time. you've been a victim of an unfortunate way usermod is designed [22:30] I am listening.... [22:30] Thanks [22:30] don't use usermod without reading what it does :) [22:30] Next problem.... [22:30] if you don't user usermod properly, it'll wipe existing groups [22:31] adduser is sort of a cli front end that makes useradd easier [22:31] gpasswd -a, as ananke stated, helps add to existing groups [22:31] wicd worked great on the first boot as root.... [22:31] it saw my local wireless network and my neighbor's [22:32] after connecting to my home network, the "select a network from below:" list will not dispaly any networks.... [22:32] on a semi-related note, is slackware the only distro with gpasswd that can add/remove users from groups? [22:32] hmm, nevermind. centos can do it too [22:32] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] ananke: a few distros remove gpasswd from coreutils; I *thought* it was "security" related, but never understood why [22:32] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:33] anyidea on wicd? [22:33] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] personally i do think it makes more sense to have that functionality in groupmod. it's just easier to remember [22:33] er, shadow * [22:34] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [22:34] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-172-32.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:34] 3017Sesbania [22:34] mt [22:35] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.30.162) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Udev can be configured to do what you want it to do, but again, groups seems more right to me. [22:35] afk [22:36] Well, in previous versions of Slack, I didn't have to add ppl to new groups... I liked that way so I'll probably fiddle with udev [22:36] previous versions of slack must mean about 3 years ago, before udev took over. [22:37] I mean even slack 12.2 (which I'm running) [22:37] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] Audio worked on boot for USER [22:37] not if they weren't in the audio group; it's the same setup [22:37] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:38] I'm looking at groups.... I'm not in audio and it's working [22:38] ok [22:38] I don't know... [22:38] CaptNemo : audio group has been around in slackware for some time. by default audio devices have been writeable by that group, and not by everybody [22:39] I belive you but..... [22:39] amarok 2.1.1 is such a fail right now :( no lyrics support 3rd party lyrics script doesn't work anymore and amazon changed their api for fetching album art [22:39] audio is working for me and I'm not in that group [22:39] are you root ? [22:39] Nope... vanilla user [22:39] CaptNemo : show us 'ls -l /dev/dsp' [22:40] and "groups" [22:40] crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-08-26 22:20 /dev/dsp [22:40] cat /etc/groups [22:40] mt [22:40] No, the command groups. [22:40] the command 'groups' not /etc/groups [22:41] deco : it's not amarok's fault that amazon changed its api [22:41] Yeah [22:41] Nick change: omni_way -> omnipotentduo [22:41] ananke: i know -_- but it's kinda not really complete now [22:42] CaptNemo: run "groups" and paste its output in here [22:42] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-175-89.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:42] deco : again, it's not amarok's fault. at least blame the responsible party [22:42] audio:x:17:root [22:42] ananke: again i know -_- [22:42] (term isn't letting me copy [22:42] CaptNemo : you haven't run the 'groups' command [22:42] users floppy audio video cdrom [22:42] bash-3.1$ [22:43] ok, so you ARE in the audio group [22:43] see, you're in the audio group [22:43] That's /etc/login.defs doing. [22:43] indeed [22:43] then why aren't I listed in /etc/group [22:43] because slackware is smarter than you are :> [22:43] Well, duh... Tell me somthing I dont know [22:44] where to being? [22:44] begin* [22:44] ;) [22:44] apparenly CaptNemo you aren't wanted. [22:44] haha [22:44] Begin with why wicd doesn't show me local networks now [22:44] add yourself to the netdev group [22:45] grep netdev /etc/group [22:45] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [22:45] I did, wicd IS connecting okay, it is just not displaying local networks anymore [22:45] my tree.1 is missing! where is it? [22:45] Jullyend (n=jullyend@201.14.53.172) joined ##slackware. [22:45] run my grep command plzzz [22:46] Thrice, I can't... I'm not on the Satellite [22:46] I'm on my 12.2 desktop [22:46] ok, then I can't help you [22:46] Np [22:47] I fully understand that without feedback, some problems are not fixable [22:47] dont ggive up [22:47] I'm not [22:47] put your finger in the world's eye [22:47] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [22:48] The laptop is for my kid... I want him to learn linux so it's a new laptop with windows wiped :) [22:48] thrice you done? [22:48] I'm sure I'll have to fix that problem eventually [22:48] what prob? [22:48] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-16-242.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:48] my turn!? [22:48] there was a blackout here [22:48] Quiznos my meaty friend [22:48] how are you [22:48] hi [22:49] ok [22:49] Quiznos: hi [22:49] good. [22:49] hihi [22:49] CaptNemo what's the prob? [22:49] going into lurk mode while I kill Horde on WoW [22:50] no no tell me the prob [22:50] the problem is he is a gamer [22:50] wicd quit showing local networks in "Select from network below:" [22:50] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:50] you chked route, ifconfig? [22:50] oh no, I suck too bad to be a gamer [22:50] haha [22:50] i am right there with you [22:51] I dont think it's an ifconfig problem [22:51] i have to admit i was a abit intimidated buy slackbuilds but wow there like the the second comming [22:51] I'm a gamer sometimes [22:51] It worked the first time as root and then never again [22:51] CaptNemo people ask questions to elicit answers; pls ans?! [22:51] Anyone ever see this error [22:51] Warning: Depends on: IMAP functions - NOT FOUND [22:51] To install IMAP support, install php5-imap [22:51] Channel flood from Jullyend -- kicking [22:51] Without IMAP support, you won't be able to create subfolders when creating mailboxes. [22:51] Jullyend kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:51] tho i only play Street Fighter IV currently [22:51] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.30.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:51] you chked route, ifconfig? [22:51] hence i gotta use windows or buy a x360 [22:51] I dont think it's an ifconfig problem... [22:51] so i use windows [22:51] ok fine. [22:51] enjoy the game. [22:51] Jullyend (n=jullyend@201.14.53.172) joined ##slackware. [22:52] I'm not playing [22:52] good game :P [22:52] ok [22:52] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] WoW sucks tho [22:52] I don't think it is an ifconfig problem.... It worked once as root [22:52] is slackbuilds a suported format for slack though is my question ? [22:52] I changed NOTHING and logged back in. since, nada [22:53] did you edit a rc.script? [22:53] or a conf file? [22:53] wicd does connect to my local network fine though [22:53] user error [22:53] twinkie_addict: ... uh how do you mean? [22:53] CaptNemo people ask questions to elicit answers. [22:53] when I hit DISCONNECT FROM ALL, it disconnects and then will not reconnect until I reboot [22:53] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-168-215.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:53] reseat the wifi device. [22:54] It's built in [22:54] is Linux your white whale? [22:54] k [22:54] Slack 64 13 [22:54] have you powered down since the error? [22:54] Quiz, I edited NOTHING... I selected my local network and logged out then back in [22:54] i mean, from the disconnect from all? [22:55] ok [22:55] i meen typicly its not good to get pkgs from linuxpackages or slacky.it [22:55] twinkie_addict why? [22:55] I did MANY reboots, not a power-down though.... [22:55] do a power down pls [22:55] i dont know thats what ive been told [22:55] I'll give it a whack [22:55] twinkie_addict i think it's hear-say and implied rumor without evidence. [22:56] *snort* [22:56] twinkie_addict i've read it from here too and have not seen any evidence presented. [22:56] BP{k} take care of that cold :) [22:56] lol [22:56] ok thats good to know , and slack builds are ok too then ? [22:56] twinkie_addict: ah. Well with slackbuilds, you build the package on *your* machine. Hence you are completly in control of what is build and how. And you are not dependenable on whatever stupid dependencies the build has on its machine. [22:57] twinkie_addict i'm just saying that no evidence has been presented (i've also not seen any warnings in forums) [22:57] twinkie_addict use salt with evaluation [22:57] was just curious becouse they seem almost too easy lol [22:57] [22:57] someone already installed Postfix [22:57] ??? [22:57] twinkie_addict: I have had used packages from lp.net which started to complain about missing gnome dependencies because the package builder build on a system with gnome installed. [22:58] ah i see [22:58] bp{k} but that could happen anywhere [22:58] that's not "evil" [22:58] Quiznos: not really, not with slackbuild. [22:58] just an unsatisfied dep on a user's box [22:58] troo; SB might be more cautious [22:58] Quiznos: no, spreading stuff that will wipe a users computer however is. [22:58] so just pay atention is all an stay within my version of slack and ill be fine :) [22:58] that's fear mongering; how will a unsat dep wipe a box [22:59] twinkie_addict that's always good advice [22:59] as i said; use salt. [22:59] mmmm, salt [22:59] did yo reboot? [22:59] no :) [22:59] lol [22:59] ok [22:59] http://slackadelic.com/2007/04/11/linuxpackagesnet-intentionally-malicious/ [22:59] The kid is home and his birthday is tomorrow... I cant pull it out now [22:59] who wrote that url? [22:59] ok [23:00] BP{k} who wrote that url? [23:00] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-149-10.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:00] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-168-215.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:00] Quiznos: how do you mean? who's site that is? or where the information is from? [23:00] who's the author of the content of the url you pasted? [23:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] yes, no, idk. [23:01] that's Dominians site. [23:01] ty [23:01] neet my first slackbuild worked without a hitch :) [23:02] I remember that.... pretty scummy [23:02] twinkie_addict well, again, as i've said; use salt in evaluating everything. sometimes a statement is true, other times it's programming meant to elicit a certain response. [23:02] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] i couldnt find a zsnes pkg for slack 13 any where save for a SB and the tar from the ofisial site craped on compile nomaly but the slack build worked :) [23:03] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:03] feels good to back on slackware ! [23:04] Action: twinkie_addict goes for a beer anyone want one ? [23:04] duh, me [23:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:04] twinkie_addict: what kind of beer? [23:04] \o/ [23:05] agentc0re: just finished a bottle of leffe blonde. [23:05] never had it. what kind is it? light pale ale? [23:05] millwalkies best ice [23:05] BP{k}: i'm having a sam's smith creame stout right now [23:05] nearly a bear slushy [23:06] BP{k}: also got a ipa and a blonde from a local brewery. [23:06] nice :) [23:06] You must be inebriated to spell the brand that way. [23:06] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-173-207.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:07] no i cant spell worth a damn and my typping blows too sober or other wise [23:07] but im at pease with that [23:07] i got some hefeweissen brewed in Eugene [23:07] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-149-10.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:07] well made and tasty except that it has orange in it [23:07] agentc0re: http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=4380 [23:08] mbi is realy decent a realy cheap beer its smooth and takes great ice cold [23:09] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dpdearing/3786620381/ [23:10] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] dave-rgv (n=dave@cpe-70-116-96-29.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:11] agentc0re: got another hoegaarden and a brakspear oxford gold in the fridge ;) [23:11] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-173-207.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:13] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-137-196.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:13] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:18] everyone it's late, get your beers [23:19] lol got mine and engoying it [23:20] unfortunately I'm out, so I am working on seomthing else and staying envious of the slackers with good beer [23:20] lol [23:21] I am working on a bottle of absente now [23:22] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.215.238.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) left irc: Client Quit [23:25] that works :) [23:25] dave-rgv (n=dave@cpe-70-116-96-29.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:26] this just mean that I probably shouldn't work on any slackbuilds tonight [23:26] lol [23:26] laters sleepytime [23:26] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:27] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] milfpot!!! [23:30] heh [23:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [23:31] almost completely backstepped to 12.2 [23:31] gota chk thins [23:31] now fer completenessly [23:32] Nick change: jigp_ -> jigp [23:32] xxx, istralian fer bee-ah [23:32] Action: Quiznos bops to TehNanny theme [23:32] Quiznos: how are you tonight? [23:33] hihi; ok; how you? [23:33] you just love playing with my name.. lol [23:33] :) i dint start it [23:33] I'm starting to feel good now, taking 110 proof shots brings it quick [23:33] chalk it up to pseudo-bad fonts [23:33] nice [23:33] enjoy. [23:33] i forgot the bee-ah yesterday [23:33] I just couldn't stand to water it down [23:33] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:34] nods [23:34] Julllyend (n=jullyend@201.14.53.172) joined ##slackware. [23:34] you will know when it is in full effect [23:34] hmm why is init trying to restart on its own? [23:34] re-exec [23:35] Quiznos: you screwed something up, stop it [23:35] unscrooing actually [23:35] 13 sux [23:36] Action: Quiznos looks around for response [23:36] bo0? [23:36] they're all dead [23:36] twinkie_addict: wtf.. Milwaukee's best ice? you're drinking corn beer... [23:36] do you hear the crickets? [23:36] nop; but i heard fireworks earlier [23:36] the natives were quite restless [23:36] BP{k}: i hate you for being surrounded by good beer. :P [23:36] lol [23:36] Jullyend (n=jullyend@201.14.53.172) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:37] agentc0re: blame kethry ;) [23:37] BP{k}: i don't really hate you, my hate for you is much love. [23:37] i was what i could afford at the time lol [23:37] why is it that in every picket I see of he head slackware guys they always have beer? [23:37] kethry: I blame you. [23:37] Action: thrice` slaps kethry [23:37] BP{k}: you know, i know ASL. maybe i'll make a video of me signing to her :P.. [23:38] agentc0re: I am not sure how good her ASL is ;) [23:38] a/s/l ? [23:38] i know I know [23:38] hehe [23:38] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-180-14-57.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] agentc0re: she might actually know some ASL although is more fluent in BSL. [23:40] rob0: Hi, i'm Chris Hansen and I'm doing a show about sexual predators. [23:40] lol [23:40] BP{k}: Is there a big difference? i honestly wouldn't know. [23:41] i liove super nintento rpgs lol [23:42] I'm here through DSL, does that count? [23:43] rob0: Danish Sign Language? :P [23:43] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:46] lol [23:46] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.215.238.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-137-196.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:49] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-189-69.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:51] agentc0re: quite a bit. BSL uses both hands to sign while ASL uses mostly one hand. [23:51] rob0: no, it does not! [23:51] :P [23:52] BP{k}: wow. thats interesting. never really thought of it that way. [23:52] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:53] agentc0re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Sign_Language [23:53] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:56] Because, of course, ASL users need to keep their gun hand free, silly. [23:56] livebrai1 (n=200mg@87-196-46-243.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:57] haha [23:58] BSL is fucked up... i can't even do the abc's... [23:59] good lord.. that's hard to do the abc's with both hands. [23:59] s/BSL/agentc0re/ [23:59] Action: phoenix^ runs [23:59] :P [23:59] lol [23:59] good one. [23:59] agentc0re: How's it going? [00:00] --- Sun Sep 6 2009