[00:00] "New technologies mean that big organizations aren't necessarily more efficient. The growth of computers, the Internet, and niche marketing means that you don't have to be a Goliath to get along." [00:01] true,pi31415 as long as ego doesn't get it the way of it [00:02] What I have seen is that over the years, new technology has made it exponentially more expensive to own a fab, until only a couple of companies can say that they do. [00:02] I also see dominance by a big few in the ISP and mobile phone market. [00:03] New technologies, computers, and the Internet do not seem to be as Utopian as that quote. [00:10] matt___ (n=matt@d75-153-90-230.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Nick change: matt___ -> matt3232 [00:11] piroko (n=jeremy@pohl.ececs.uc.edu) left ##slackware ("bloop"). [00:12] matt3232 (n=matt@d75-153-90-230.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [00:16] thumbs, actually...looks like gentoo the the BSD thing first..and have not be killed by lawyers -> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-freebsd.xml [00:17] edman007: aha [00:17] vinegaroon (n=sam@119.224.26.179) joined ##slackware. [00:17] i suppose its ok if they don't let the kernel code touch [00:17] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [00:17] since it looks like they just take BSD, which supports linux emulation, and run it with only linux emulation [00:19] I don't get it. [00:19] why bother? Why not use the linux kernel? [00:19] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] because you can [00:20] " I just grow tired of the questions of people running software made for computers in 2008-2009 on computers that should have long been replaced." [00:21] Why replace hardware that works? [00:22] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-228.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [00:22] I think it is amusing to see distributions that advertise themselves as lean, but will easily crash with less than 128mb ram. (latest Puppy Linux) [00:23] 256mb ram seems to be considered lean for a PC, but I remember compiling my toolchain and GUI on 8mb (but not while netscape was running) [00:24] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [00:25] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:26] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:27] pi31415: I'm hoping DeLi Linux will boot on an old Pentium. I just want it to SSH into stuff, maybe use it as an X terminal... [00:27] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] Linux must have new features that require more memory, but I have no idea which ones. [00:27] well, compiling something from ports on just one CPU made my server hard crash. Seeing that it has two CPUs, I'd say I really need to cool it better. [00:27] Even Debian lists 64mb as the minimum. [00:29] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:32] so gnarly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnJADsGAVFs&feature=related [00:32] netbsd says it can run in 4mb ram, but it lacks drivers for some of my hardware. [00:32] ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-4.0.1/i386/INSTALL.html#NetBSD/i386%20System%20Requirements%20and%20Supported%20Devices [00:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] Zozma (n=Winter@75-121-174-218.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:33] pi31415, so? thats like saying my BIOS can run without ram..but it lacks support for software [00:34] edman007: i did not specify which hardware, it might have been some built-in web cam that i do not want to use. [00:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:36] pi31415, well the reason a modern system can't run in 4MB ram is because it does a lot of stuff, if you really need to run something on an old system then you can deal with dropping some stuff, and if you do that you might as well just use an old release of any major distro [00:36] if you need it to work on that install slack 8 or 9 (or older) [00:37] Action: thumbs hugs his slack 2.x cd [00:37] thumbs, uhh...wasn't slack floppy only back then? [00:38] I made a cd. [00:38] Action: edman007 is not old enough to have done anything useful with linux at that time [00:38] edman007: in one example, the slackware 12 installer crashes on a machine that the slackware 11 installer succeeded on. I guess it is because of a kernel upgrade, but I do not know why. [00:39] i guess because it does a lot of stuff. [00:39] pi31415, its because the initrd in slack11+ takes around 32MB of ram, if you have ~50M of ram its not going to run [00:39] 11 worked [00:40] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:40] but you said it uses more memory because it does a lot of stuff. [00:40] what new stuff is 12 doing? [00:42] pi31415, unlike most other distros, slackware does not search for the install CD on boot, instead the entire installer is in the initrd, that means if your bootloader runs (which it will) then the entire installer is copied into ram before the kernel starts [00:42] the slack 12 installer added http installs and a few other features [00:42] netbsd does that in 4mb ram [00:42] except maybe not the other features [00:43] does it do LVM? cryptfs? on a root partition? with my raid card? [00:43] no lvm [00:45] i haven't actually used a versioned slackware for years [00:45] all my systems run current so they never really are any single version [00:46] nullboy, somehow the log for the day that you posted that build script (if you did post it) is down. Do you still have it handy? [00:46] doesn't current almost match up with the releases just before they are actually released? [00:46] one sec [00:46] nullboy: has -current ever broken the build? [00:47] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [00:47] -current doesn't have untested things in it, it just has newer versions which haven't been proven as stable as the numbered releases have [00:47] sitwon: usually for a few weeks yet [00:47] it's not like using arch [00:47] yet/yes [00:48] netbsd also cannot encrypt the root fs [00:48] i seem to remember one time far back when the changelog said something like 'it's broken for now..just wait' [00:48] zybr0n1 (n=Lisius@c-76-116-27-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:50] so basically the new stuff is high end features that I don't use on my low end machines anyway [00:50] if you maintain the system there is nothing wrong with using older versions [00:51] a tradeoff, because the machines this old are more rare than machines with raid cards that need cryptfs [00:52] hiptobecubic: ok first: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/WARNING.txt [00:52] hiptobecubic: and second: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/slamd64-ff/readme-first.txt [00:52] and finally: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/slamd64-ff/ [00:52] zlei (n=zlei@222.213.170.23) left irc: "Leaving" [00:52] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-41-42-11.ip79.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [00:53] skibur (i=1000@12.197.207.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] whereis unshadow command? [00:53] lordi_ (n=chatzill@125.37.161.178) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Everyone in and around the southeastern USA, please consider attending SELF: http://southeastlinuxfest.org :-) [00:53] nullboy, ok thanks [00:54] Action: edman007 clicks [00:54] cool,rworkman thanks [00:54] MLanden: where are you? [00:54] Virginia [00:55] ah [00:55] will there be beer? [00:55] I'm doing a presentation on Linux Firewalls there :) [00:55] rworkman, are you bringing beer? [00:55] nullboy: if I have anything to do with it, there will be a pre-party on Friday the 12th [00:55] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.80) joined ##slackware. [00:55] hehe [00:55] Clemson,nullboy Think 'bout 'it...:D [00:55] edman007: possibly :) I need to stop by some stores on the way there and look for Xingu [00:56] rworkman: will you mention nftables? [00:56] pi31415: probably not; it's still too new and non-working :) [00:57] I won't rule it out, but keep in mind that this talk is intended to be more introductory level [00:57] rworkman: my favorite web site about Linux firewalls is the KISS page [00:57] http://www.geocities.com/steve93138/ [00:59] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] korg815 (n=user@bas8-london14-1176470695.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Hrm, I'm more interested in showing the basics of writing a firewall script. [01:00] bbiab,folks [01:00] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-147-9.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:01] i wish i could go :-/ it's a bit far for my budget [01:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] rworkman, i would go...but its too far south to drive from my house...and not south east enough to come from FL :( [01:02] Action: hiptobecubic is also in fl [01:02] California! [01:02] Yeah, I understand that. [01:04] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.80) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [01:05] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] hiptobecubic, see the thing is i'm in CT/NY area..but i get free housing when i go to south west FL...so if it was more south east i could probably go [01:06] edman007, where in southwest fl? [01:06] ft myers [01:06] ah ok. I live in englewood [01:06] i might go down there this summer... [01:06] I'm in miami right now for school, however [01:07] i drive through ft myers to get home :) [01:08] heh, yea, my grandma/uncle/dad are in Ft myers, and my aunt has an empty condo..on ft myers beach :) [01:08] lordi_ (n=chatzill@125.37.161.178) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]" [01:08] Action: CaptObviousman looks up airfare costs to SC [01:08] does anyone use a handheld GPS still? [01:08] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] nullboy: I saw some people using them on the Mall [01:09] i have a magellan and from what i can tell, magellan is bad for maps and map tools [01:09] i've been using it for years [01:09] how so? [01:09] nullboy: what else is there? [01:09] well there is Garmin [01:10] TomToms can be used as hand-held... but the battery life is pretty bad [01:10] edman007: the map software is archaic, granted I can convert using gpsbabel but the formats are a PITA too [01:10] last time i looked at the GPS things the guys doing the drivers says they all have two modes, standardized which isn't implemented right and proprietary which is undocumented [01:11] the only reason i went with this unit at the time is because i needed it for backwoods stuff. it has topo and is water proof but it's a magellan [01:11] nullboy: i mean other than hand held? [01:11] heh..so the garmin ones work ok though? [01:11] pi31415: mounted in cars [01:11] some people don't need carry units [01:12] edman007: i've seen more successes under linux with Garmins so far [01:12] humm, what airport would I fly into? [01:12] From your question I thought maybe hand held GPS units were out of style or something. [01:12] My boss told me that he prefers Garmin. [01:12] CaptObviousman: I'm off to bed, but #southeastlinuxfest might be alive [01:12] Floops (n=baihu@coconut.island.chickenkiller.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:12] edman007: but the basic stuff works, track logging and NMEA feeds work under linux [01:12] lordi (n=chatzill@125.37.169.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:12] noted, so if i decide that i have money and buy one i'll get a garmin.. [01:13] nullboy, unless you want to just give me what you have, you can upgrade..i don't mind the crappy one if its free.. [01:13] lol [01:13] i have a cig lighter plug --> USB power adapter for it too [01:13] saves battery life [01:14] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@189.104.10.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] since this one was for back country hiking and GIS work it doesn't have turn by turn but it is accurate and has topo with USB connectivity [01:15] i think all gps devices with bluetooth can work with linux [01:15] USB too works fine with gpsd [01:15] there's plent of model support with gpsd [01:16] worst case you can try generic mode too [01:17] rworkman: thanks for the info [01:17] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [01:17] https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=146&pID=6404 [01:17] pi31415: those are nice [01:17] spiffy, chat and stalk^H^H^H^H^Htrack your family or buddies for $200 [01:17] for snow boarding or paintball games [01:18] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.181.49.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:18] you can do epic battles with gps and a large area [01:18] hi... [01:18] hi [01:18] hi [01:18] hi [01:19] how about this bad boy with 3D mapping abilities https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=145&pID=11022 [01:19] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:20] or how about just a freaking laptop and a simple usb gpsr [01:20] geez. [01:20] for 599 you could get a laptop and cheapo receiver and just use the linux tools + google earth [01:23] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [01:23] on a flight i managed to keep a gps feed working by holding the gps unit against the window [01:24] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [01:29] $275 http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-9 [01:29] $37 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000PKX2KA [01:31] bam [01:31] any one of you ever tried to build the latest X using pat's slackbuild ? [01:31] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [01:32] i've done kde but only modules of X, never the whole thing...yet [01:33] do i simply take slackware-current/source/x/x11/, download the lastes versions [01:33] and change the version numbers in the slackbuild scripts ... ? [01:33] you can start there, along with checking out the scripts [01:33] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)" [01:34] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]" [01:34] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/x/x11/x11.SlackBuild [01:34] why not slackware-current ? [01:34] just change the directory [01:34] oookay. [01:35] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/x/x11/x11.SlackBuild [01:35] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:35] that's what i was reading. [01:37] is anyone else experiencing problems with their arrow keys under -current? [01:37] using kde [01:38] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] yarr [01:39] wpa_supplicant rocks [01:40] yeah man [01:40] multiple config blocks ftw [01:40] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:41] had 3 black russians before even trying it, still was easy as hell to set up :) [01:41] anyone had any oddities with virtualbox2.0.2 in 2.6.29? [01:43] Action: edman007 hugs qemu [01:43] brightwebworks (n=ravi@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [01:45] kvm qemu = winnah [01:45] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:45] Hello all [01:45] all is not in today. she's sick [01:46] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [01:46] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] yea, she got one hell of an infection [01:49] you're going to want to stay away from her for a while [01:49] anyways, nobody is here [01:49] Its been a long time since I used Slackware...I miss it [01:50] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:51] brightwebworks (n=ravi@216.189.209.126) left irc: [01:51] brightwebworks, well you better be good, you don't want this relationship falling apart again, do you? [01:51] :( [01:51] this relationship is not going to last like this [01:51] you lost your audience... [01:52] lol [01:52] so have I mentioned that moving *sucks*? [01:52] heh try moving from country to country [01:52] bleah [01:53] not feasible unless I toss 90% of the stuff I own [01:54] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.181.49.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [01:54] yep, what we had to do each time just to observe the luggage restriction [01:54] moving sucks, but black russians don't (new roommate has already got me 3/4 drunk) [01:56] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [01:57] craigslist it [01:57] osmeone might buy your crap [01:58] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [01:59] most of my crap, I want [01:59] not all of it (WTF will I ever do with a Braille serial terminal?) [02:00] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.85.51) left irc: "gnight" [02:00] i have a Sun V120 [02:00] anyone want it? comes with a backup disk too [02:00] 50 bucks + you pay shipping or pick it up [02:00] don' even know what a V120 is... [02:01] computer with Sparc CPU? [02:01] yeah [02:01] ask me again (or I'll ask you) in a few months [02:01] i put debian on it so i know it works [02:01] at one time I collected sun sparc boxes [02:01] what, debian and not splack? [02:02] debian is more up to date [02:02] yeah, splack is based on like slackware 8.0 or 8.1 [02:02] if I had a decently fast sparc I'd like to to a splack 12.2 [02:02] this is it http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v120/ [02:03] thegato (n=gato@cpe-69-202-141-223.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] the one i have comes with a smartcard reader and it can accept 2 disks. 2 are installed and i have a third as a backup [02:03] they are 73GB scsi disks [02:03] 650MHz ultrasparc probly counts as "decently fast" for that purpose [02:04] yeah it's not too bad [02:04] considering the fastest sparc I own now is a sparcstation 20 with dual 125MHz ross hypersparcs [02:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:04] i receive it and played with it for a while but i don;t have a rack and rack equipment is noisy [02:05] at the moment I am mucho broke-o, but I won't be that way forever [02:05] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [02:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:05] no stress [02:06] sadly, my rack is long gone. No place to put it and nobody to help me move it, it got left behind when I moved 2 years ago [02:06] (however, I got it for free in the first place, so no big deal) [02:06] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] i almost have clean vms of each version of slackware back to 8.1 and 3.3 [02:10] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-41-42-11.ip79.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [02:10] /wjoin shell-fm [02:11] huh [02:13] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:13] anyone use shell-fm and can send it me? [02:15] hm, slack 3.3, think that was the first I ever installed [02:15] might be entertaining to play with that again in vbox or qemu or whatever [02:16] anyone here setup their sftp so the user starts off with write access but is still chroot in by what the ChrtooDirectory is set to? I can't seem to get mine to work. [02:17] Nick change: ryht -> yht|off [02:18] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:18] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-147-9.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Back..What's up,folks? [02:18] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:19] morning [02:19] Mornin',dive [02:20] agentc0re: if you're putting "ChrtooDirectory" in the conf file I'm not surprised :) [02:20] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:21] Urchlay: eh? [02:22] chrtoo instead of chroot? [02:22] Oh, typo. Heh, sorry. [02:23] Action: agentc0re is tired.. [02:23] other than that, I have no useful advice :( [02:23] is the xfce in slackware build with the -enable-compositor option [02:23] just checked conf file, it's not typo'd there. [02:23] SW12.2 i mean [02:24] stillborn: don't know, but if you look in the source/ directory on the slackware FTP site, you can find the slackbuild script for it [02:24] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [02:24] k, thanks [02:25] the ./configure --whatever command will be in there [02:27] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:30] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:31] can't read xfce.Slackbuil with my phone ,,,not supported file format :( [02:32] just rename it to .txt [02:33] can't download it [02:33] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:34] anyways,,will check it later back home [02:35] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. 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[02:45] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:46] somehow this laptop keyboard is making it entirely too easy to hit up-arrow and enter at the same time [02:46] lol [02:47] there needs to be an irssi setting, "ignore the enter key if it comes less than 1/10 sec after the up arrow" [02:47] maybe "/set crappy_laptop_keyboard = true" should be it :) [02:47] lol [02:47] kama (n=kama@host29-113-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:48] it's built with compositor,,so there's something in my xorg.conf then,,cus it won't work [02:49] does your xorg.conf have compositing enabled? [02:49] yes [02:49] stillborn: What is your video card? [02:49] what driver are you using? 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[03:13] vatgas3 (n=val@123.145.68.127) joined ##slackware. [03:13] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD88B6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:14] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.89.88) left irc: Client Quit [03:14] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:15] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] Am I missing the KDE-4.2.1 autostart application chooser, or was it removed? [03:16] ch-b (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [03:17] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:18] Is it possible to move the firefox menus to the navigation bar to save some more space? I have 10" screen.. [03:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:18] go the other direction [03:19] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:19] morning [03:19] evenin' [03:19] Mornin' [03:20] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:20] hey slackytude. How's it going? [03:21] firebird619, heya! Im doin fine, Im at work right now [03:21] oculus_: you mean like this? http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/ffbar.png [03:21] firebird619, how about you? [03:21] doing great. 2:20 AM here. :D [03:22] pretty much all of the snow has melted already. [03:22] believe it or not, snow actually fell in atlanta the other night [03:23] Hi Urchlay. How are you? [03:23] it was like 50F outside, melted instantly when it hit the ground [03:23] eh, kinda tired. Been moving all day [03:23] yeah nullboy, how did you do it [03:23] right click it and choose customize? [03:24] then you drag the icons where you want them [03:25] at this point though, all the moving is done, just gotta get everything set up in the new place so I don't have to jump over boxes of stuff [03:25] but I dont see those menu items in the customize list, there are only other things [03:25] Oh dragging the icons.. [03:25] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:25] I guess I have to make some space to the navigation bar first [03:25] Urchlay: Well at least the moving part is done. :) [03:25] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [03:26] oculus_, cause the menus are already on the browser, just drag the fwd/back and other buttons and nav bar up there too [03:26] yeah. The only possibly unpleasant (or not) thing that remains is to meet the new roommate's hot lesbian daughter [03:26] firebird619, pretty misty this morning. or is it foggy? anyway, couldnt see your own nise, but sun is coming out now [03:26] (unpleasant if she turns out to be one of the lesbians who automatically hates everything with a penis... otherwise should be fine) [03:27] Urchlay: i beleive thier called desiels [03:27] well, she at least looks like a pretty girl, not a lumberjack [03:28] Wittic (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:28] probably I shouldn't sweat it, her mom is cool anyway [03:28] slackytude: Is it suppose to get nice and warm there today. High of 31 here for tomorrow (well after midnight so technically today) :) [03:28] sometime ago people here suggested that thinkpad was the best laptop working out for them with slack -- what series? T? [03:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:30] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] maybe. I find many laptops work great with slackware. It seems to be mostly about personal preferences and choosing nvidia or intel, not ati [03:32] hm. You actually recommend intel graphics over ati? driver support has gotten *that* bad? [03:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:32] kama (n=kama@host29-113-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:32] Yeah, I actually recommend so ;). The reason is that ati's driver does not work at all (screen stays blank) on my laptop. [03:33] ATI driver works fine on my laptop [03:33] eh, check & make sure the driver isn't trying to send its signal to an external monitor. Should be an xorg.conf setting [03:33] It's 4 years old now, newer adapters may be better supported. Mine did too, previously. But all adapters get old eventually, and ATI is in the habit of breaking old support by accident [03:34] only ATIs I use lately are a mach64 on my laptop and a radeon 9200SE on my tv/media box, both work Just Fine [03:34] So.. Do you want to use your laptop for 4 years or not? I would. [03:34] but then I only use the 9200SE with the xorg radeon driver, never needed the fglrx [03:34] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [03:35] Urchlay: for what I found online, support for mobile 9600's and such actually was broken sometime last year, and no fix in sight [03:35] I think Intel graphics don't work that well in Linux [03:35] this laptop proves you wrong: I've had it since 2002, it's always worked fine (started on Slack 9.1, now on 12.2) [03:35] haven't checked lately [03:35] Urchlay: It doesn't prove me wrong. I never said it always happens to every model [03:35] but I don't need the proprietary ATI driver on the laptop (it's a mach64) [03:35] Urchlay, I'm stuck in the middle with an ATI X850 XT PE: too new for good radeon support, and too old for fglrx to continue supporting it. [03:36] ccfreak2k: tried radeonhd in xorg I suppose? [03:36] i have intel x3100..works great on linux [03:36] Isn't radeonhd for Radeon HDs? [03:36] eh, there is a card actually called that? [03:36] Urchlay: and sure, the free ati driver still works on my laptop. Too bad it sucks worse than the intel adapter on my eee901 and linux [03:37] Aldaron: sucks at what? plain old 2D "desktop" graphics? or just 3D sucks? [03:37] gma X3100 [03:37] Urchlay: 2D performance and 3D support, both. [03:37] hm. I have not seen any card made in the last 10 years that didn't have acceptable 2d performance with Linux [03:38] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [03:38] depends on what you're willing to accept, of course ;) [03:38] unless you're using the vesa framebuffer X driver, which sucks rocks thru a garden hose [03:38] just feels slower and uglier than intel to me [03:39] if your 2D is slow, probably you're doing something wrong [03:39] Oh well. Short summary: I've had a couple of ati cards, and driver support has always been horrible on all OSes (even on Windows, a new driver would sometimes break old functionality and I'd have to change back) [03:40] Urchlay: it may be the case, that is true. [03:40] 3D is overrated on a laptop anyway, for my uses (can't carry around a good trakball and keyboard with me, so no point trying to play Quake-like games) [03:40] 3D is something I need, because 3D programming is a dear hobby ;) [03:40] fair enough [03:40] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [03:41] only coding I ever do on the laptop these days is crappy PHP/mysql web stuff [03:41] heh :) [03:42] and the occasional cross-assembled 6502 asm code, for my old Atari 800 [03:42] I did that, but luckily not so much anymore. I mean, sql is nice and php too, but.. At least with my skills, building something big with these is not fun [03:42] wow :) [03:43] it's not just you. PHP is a practical and utterly uninspiring language, and nobody ever even pretended databases were fun... am just glad I'm not dealing with COBOL or something [03:43] :D [03:44] plus, the paying jobs are almost always by definition dull as dishwater [03:44] "website for a junior volleyball league", there's just no way to make that interesting to me [03:44] I'm actually dealing with Fortran at work. Well, the newer fortran standards are actually very nice, but the old Fortran 77 code written by scientists who never took a course in CS is.. true horror [03:44] firebird619, better than snow [03:45] haha :) [03:45] yeah, F77 code tends to be scary-looking [03:45] slackytude: haha, yeah it is. [03:45] I don't really speak the new Fortran, does it at least let you name your loop variables something other than I through L or whatever it was? [03:46] *new* fortran? [03:46] (heh. Not that the Java-ish tendency to call the variable "myForLoopCounter" makes the code any more readable...) [03:46] I hope this isn't OT -- installpkg the .tgz from sbopkg.org gives this: tr: misaligned [:upper:] and/or [:lower:] construct -- any clues? [03:46] Urchlay: sure! You can even forbid implicit typing! After which, all variables need to be declared =) [03:46] ye gods! [03:47] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:47] well, you could do that in many f77 compilers too, at least recently [03:47] public MyLongWindedClassName myLongWindedClassName = new MyLongWindedClassName(); // FAIL! [03:48] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:48] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Wittic: that's not off-topic at all... can you paste the exact command line you used? [03:49] Urchlay, installpkg sbopkg-0.27.0-noarch-1_cng.tgz [03:50] fad_xxx (n=fad@pppoe-88-147-239-215.san.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:50] since the .tgz is provided on sbopkg.org [03:50] eh. Well you're not doing it wrong... [03:50] I'm on 12.1, could that be a problem? [03:50] unless you're maybe using a truly ancient installpkg utility from slackware 8.0 or something [03:50] doubt that [03:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429855.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:51] hey guys... my brother bought this laptop.. but it had vista on.. i destroyed vista somehow.. ;) but the funny part is that hdd is locked..and i cannot see anything in bios that remotely points to any hdd.. can someone point me somewhere...so that i can start installing my slackware on it.. livecds...dont see any hdds :( [03:51] you got me curious now, lemme see if it installs OK on my 12.2 laptop (I have no 12.1 systems handy) [03:51] Well, I have to get going, have a great morning, afternoon, evening everyone. [03:51] take care,firebord619 [03:52] MLanden: Thanks, you too. [03:52] greetings everyone [03:52] bb firebird619 [03:52] bye The-Croupier. [03:52] sorry *firebird619 [03:52] Urchlay, woah.. I simply went up the history and executed that command.. and.. it worked. :| it installed fine.. weird. [03:52] hm. Installs just fine on 12.2... but I'm not aware of anything drastically different between the 12.1 and 12.2 package tools that should keep it from workinbg [03:53] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:54] Urchlay, http://pastebin.com/m756a214c -- if you're interested in seeing the output. I did absolutely nothing, other than repeat the command [03:54] ch-b (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:54] Wittic: the only thing that comes to mind is, if you had a "disk full" condition occur during the first installpkg. shell scripts don't always cope nicely with disk-full errors [03:54] Urchlay, nope, not even close. [03:55] yeah, didn't think that was really it (you'd have noticed, other stuff would have failed) [03:55] hello slackers one and all [03:56] you didn't even re-download the .tgz file before trying it the 2nd time? [03:56] Urchlay, whoops.. I'm a little embarassed to say that the error was after executing the command, not installpkg'ing it. sorry, I've been without sleep for 30-something hours. [03:56] (usually a bad download wouldn't cause that type of error though) [03:56] ehhh. So "sbopkg" itself spits out errors about [:lower:] and such? [03:56] yes [03:57] if it weren't already 4AM I'd help you track it down [03:57] Urchlay, alright, then I'll bug you about it tomorrow. :) [03:57] since it *is* 4AM for me, you can try asking here, and also in #slackbuilds (AFAIK, that's the "official" channel for sbopkg issues) [03:57] I did ask there, seems pretty inactive. [03:57] that sbopkg bug is known about i think - and connected with whic dir you start it from [03:58] theres a #sbopkg too [03:58] yeah, #slackbuilds is slow... generally if you wait long enough you'll get a response, but it might be 8 hours later [03:58] oh, there is? well never mind what I said, use #sbopkg instead [03:58] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:59] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:59] i get that error sometimes and fized it by starting sbopkg from /root [03:59] that bodes not well [03:59] so eg do 'su -' rather than su [04:00] draenei (n=draenei@60.12.190.58) joined ##slackware. [04:00] I mean I haven't looked at the code, but if it's that "dumb" about something as simple as its starting dir, I dunno that I'd trust it to build/install packages that can do arbitrary damage to my system... [04:00] dive, that worked, thanks :) [04:00] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [04:01] well someone also reported it on mailing list so it should be fixed sometime [04:01] what about "sudo sbopkg"? [04:01] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [04:01] hmm dunno never tried that [04:01] Urchlay, I already was root, it seems I just had to move to a different dir? :x [04:01] if that won't work right, I *know* I'd never use it, cause that's my standard way of doing damn near all sysadm tasks [04:02] well i think sbopkg may be placed in /sbin soon so you won't be able to just sudo it without full path [04:02] (partly typing laziness: root password is 20 characters, my user's password is only 8...) [04:02] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [04:03] wanna bet? $ echo $PATH [04:03] /home/urchlay/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin [04:03] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [04:03] ah right [04:03] thats naughty ;p [04:03] your PATH just gets set in yer .bash_profile, can include /sbin and such if you like [04:03] yeah i know [04:03] root pw is 20 characters? oh goodness, people like you actually exist [04:04] how naughty? I can run "/sbin/ifconfig" as my user and do exactly the same things I could do with /sbin in my path and only typing "ifconfig"... [04:04] yes i know [04:04] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] ok, how do I get sound working as a user? [04:04] didn't you see the ';p'? [04:04] Wittic: yeap, we do exist. I will admit it's not 20 random gibberish characters (it's somethiing I can remember at least) [04:04] I chmod 666 /dev/dsp /dev/audio /dev/mixer [04:04] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [04:04] dive: eh, no, but then it's 4AM here :) [04:05] pirving, are you in audio group? [04:05] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [04:05] you shouldn't need to chmod anything [04:05] no [04:06] groupadd? [04:06] passwd [04:06] gpasswd [04:06] gpasswd [04:06] gpasswd -a audio username [04:06] chmod'ing that stuff will only help if your apps are using OSS emulation. Modern (ALSA) sound doesn't use /dev/dsp, etc. [04:06] some old programs still use oss [04:07] also those chmods will magically get undone when you reboot, cause /dev nodes aren't persistent (they're automagically created by udevd) [04:07] right [04:07] need to modify udev rulez [04:07] yeah, some do, but I bet the program he's trying to run came with Slackware 12.something, and has been compiled to use ALSA... [04:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [04:08] and many games use OSS still coz its easier/better than ALSA [04:08] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [04:08] ok, I added john to the group audio [04:08] do I need to restart x? [04:08] pirving, need to logout [04:08] so , yeah [04:08] ok [04:08] brb [04:08] easiest way is to log out [04:08] pirving, [04:08] fad_xxx (n=fad@pppoe-88-147-239-215.san.ru) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:08] ctrl + alt + bksp? [04:08] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:08] gpasswd -a username audio [04:08] Wittic: be polite :) [04:09] Urchlay, what would be the more polite suggestion? [04:09] i bet he only logs out of x.. [04:09] Wittic: use the window manager's logout button? [04:10] (which might be called "exit" instead of "logout"... you get the idea though, better to exit cleanly than yank the carpet out from under your X apps) [04:10] Urchlay, ohh.. uhm, yes. that makes sense. [04:10] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:11] ok great I clicked ctrl alt esc in xfce and now my desktop is gone and I can't right click [04:11] ctrl alt escape is xkill [04:11] Urchlay, will X technically be started if I log out? my (shallow) understanding was that kdm was still under X [04:11] how do I restore it? [04:11] nobody told you to do that [04:11] well I messed it up, how do I get it back? [04:12] do you have a skull and crossbones cursor? [04:12] yes [04:12] draenei (n=draenei@60.12.190.58) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [04:12] click on the background and see if it goes [04:12] it's gone [04:12] I think "esc" to get rid of the skull cursor [04:12] toolbar gone [04:12] yeah, it's all gone [04:12] log out of x [04:12] I think NOW the solution to his problem just might be Ctrl alt bkscpc? :) [04:12] my icons every thing [04:12] and back in [04:12] Wittic: you might want to double-check, but IIRC, when you log out in runlevel 4, X itself dies and a new X server starts up, running kdm [04:12] how do I kill X I can't logout [04:13] ctrl alt backspace [04:13] IMB doesnt buy SUN, afterall [04:13] eh, if you have no other alternatives, ctrl-alt-backspace (but that should be your last resort, not your first) [04:13] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:13] slackytude: good. [04:13] or is it? [04:13] Action: slackytude shurgs [04:13] we shall never know [04:14] dont shurg :-) [04:14] Wittic: everything I know about kdm is at least 6 or 7 years out of date, you shouldn't take my word for any of it! [04:14] we will know if Sun folds up [04:14] why should it fold up? [04:14] dive, I shurg when I want to :P [04:14] if they were considering a buy option from ibm it suggest they need a cash injection? [04:14] do they? [04:15] may be somebody needed money for himself. [04:15] wouldn't surprise me [04:15] Action: Urchlay prefers to freebase cash instead of having an injection [04:15] afaik they had revenue 1.2 bilion or something like that [04:15] dive: they weren't in debt. [04:15] so... [04:15] that's good to hear then [04:15] i don't feel for flame. [04:16] monopoly-flame, that is. [04:16] thi$ i$ good $hit! I'm $o wa$ted... [04:17] Urchlay, http://tinyurl.com/c59f8w here's a pedantic read all about how to exit X [04:19] communicator (n=abc@89.155.14.206) left irc: [04:20] I though SUN had money problems [04:21] ergh. I'll save the pedantry for after I've had some sleep [04:21] slackytude: think man, think ... where company's revenue goes. [04:22] stybla, yes? [04:22] slackytude: share holders [04:22] Action: Urchlay falls over after only 4 black russians... must have been tired [04:22] nite all [04:22] I dont see your point. I said I though SUN had money probs [04:23] i already told you they've ended up in "+" [04:23] they're 4th on the market [04:23] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:23] ok, added user to audio group, still no audio [04:24] pirving, which runlevel are you in? [04:24] how do I find out? [04:25] do you get a graphical login manager when you boot? or do you type 'startx'? [04:25] startx [04:25] ok [04:25] how's this for a paintball gun http://www.remotelyinteresting.com/paintball%20minigun%20mark%20V.htm [04:25] after you added yourself to audio, did you logout of the console that started X? [04:26] yes [04:26] what does the command 'groups' output? [04:26] as user [04:26] john@lucille:~/FrostWire$ groups [04:26] users floppy audio video cdrom [04:27] I've got it working before changing the permissions [04:27] when you set up your user you didn't add yourself to all the groups that you should have - not that that is connected with audio I think [04:28] anyway that's another subject [04:28] what happens when you try to 'aplay' a wav? [04:28] it plays no audio [04:28] how do I tell if my user is a member of the audio group? [04:28] does it give an error? or seems to play but no output? [04:29] nullboy, that page opened up gxine... which leads me to ask (since gxine seems very clumsy and weird), did it open for you with gxine as well, or have you done something that the video plays with an browser-embedded playing? I would be interested in such a solution [04:29] plays no error, let me see if it works as root [04:29] brb [04:29] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:29] ... [04:29] Wittic: i build mplayer and use the mplayer plugin [04:29] damn,nullboy...was gonna say you'll put someone's eye out....put what if there are no eyes..:D [04:30] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:30] nullboy, oh, I've just mplayer as I got it from SBo, I'll google around though, thanks. [04:30] the plugin is separate [04:30] afaik [04:31] google for mplayer-plugin should bring up home page [04:31] unless theres an SB for it at SBo [04:31] which there probably is [04:31] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/mplayerplug-in/ [04:32] wot i fort [04:35] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:35] ok, audio doesn't work as root either....I used alsaconf but I have a USB sound card [04:35] it worked before [04:35] when I have slackware installed [04:35] I did a re-install [04:35] does alsaconf see it? [04:36] no [04:36] it didn't last time when it was working [04:36] have you tried checking alsamixer to make sure volume is up and umuted? [04:37] take care,folks [04:37] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-147-9.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [04:41] did that [04:43] is snd-usb-audio loaded? [04:43] nullboy, just installed it with sbopkg, I'm very to have that working so cleanly - thanks. (though, I do hate you that when the video loaded, I had headphones on to full volume.. and yes, almost fell out of my chair :( it's 3:34 am) [04:43] +happy* off to sleep now, good night. [04:43] Wittic, you have to do plugins before mplayer [04:43] nn [04:44] afaik [04:44] slackytude, had mplayer before, installed plugins.. everything does seem to be working. [04:44] alritghty then [04:45] Got it working!!! Thanks guys [04:45] how? [04:45] used a different PC, build in sound card and just play the mp3's with mpg123 via ssh [04:45] Yeah baby! [04:45] the USB cost me 99 cents online and it sounds like shit [04:45] now you might to think about adding yourself to some extra groups [04:46] pirving: did you check to see if snd-usb-audio was loaded? [04:46] no [04:46] I will [04:46] thanks [04:46] Channel flood from pirving -- kicking [04:46] bye [04:46] pirving kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:46] nice [04:47] ... [04:47] kicked after saying "bye" [04:47] thats the way to go [04:47] lol [04:47] i'm going to write a script that gets me kicked like that every time i type /quit [04:48] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:49] pirving, 'usermod -G floppy,audio,video,cdrom,plugdev,power,scanner username' [04:49] ok cool dive! [04:49] how do I start a X session on my localhost thats a remote x? [04:50] dive, no users? [04:50] slackytude, -G is extra groups [04:50] if I allready have it running? Is this possible or should I use vnc [04:50] pirving, you can use ssh to run remote apps [04:51] if sshd is running with X forwarding enabled in conf [04:51] yeah but I wanted a gui [04:51] yes you will get a gui [04:51] I'll use vnc [04:51] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:51] ssh 10.0.0.2 gmplayer [04:51] or whatever [04:52] you might have to set the appropriate display. afaik [04:52] yeah probably need to do a xhost+ too [04:52] is there a remote desktop built into kde? [04:53] pirving, krdc [04:53] rdesktop [04:53] better than the XP rdp client [04:59] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:02] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:06] now i get what ubuntu is about. it just minimizes the available choices, so that the user doesn't have to choose. like -- one linux (ubuntu), one program for one task etc. not sure if i like the idea. [05:06] but from the luser's point of view... it's what most of them want from an os. [05:06] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-172-42.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:07] zounds (n=zounds@213-67-241-119-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [05:07] Hey, everything is working great, I have my main machine running slack and my other mp3 server running slack and win dual boot [05:07] yes!!!!!!!!! [05:08] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:08] glad you got it working [05:09] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] keoni (i=1000@208.106.15.140) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:12] Is Slackware missing kcmshell from kdebase-runtime? [05:13] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [05:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429855.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:15] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-172-42.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Shingoshi: it's now called kcmshell4 [05:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Old kde3 apps want kcmshell [05:17] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [05:19] ok [05:19] Let me check. [05:20] When I run "Autostart Applications" using Alt+F2, it tells me kcmshell is missing. So for some reason, it's not being found. [05:21] I'll create a link from kcmshell to kcmshell4. [05:21] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:23] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:26] Shingoshi: now that is strange. When I return home tonight I will try to replay that issue of yours. I have KDE 4.2.1 as well as 4.2.2 to test [05:26] I have never used Alt+F2 myself [05:27] alt-f2 works on my system, -current [05:27] Action: slackytude likes alt-f2 [05:27] pirving (n=john@cpe-72-224-172-94.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:27] ok, I need sound for flash and stuff, usb_snd_module is loaded [05:27] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:28] I can't hear sound even as root [05:28] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "Reconnecting" [05:28] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [05:28] snd_usb_audio [05:28] is loaded [05:28] All I ever run is Current! [05:29] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [05:29] I'm getting messages that I have files leftover from an incomplete upgrade. [05:30] Why would Alt+F2 be looking for kcmshell instead of kcmshell4? [05:31] Something must be wrong with my paths. Although, they belong in the same directory. /usr/bin. [05:32] I'm now reinstalling my other two kdebase packages. [05:37] While reinstalling kdebase*'s, I got a kded4 crash. [05:37] got it working, needed kmix [05:37] Yeah baby! [05:39] unmute didn't work in alsamixer [05:41] huh? [05:41] it should [05:42] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:44] Shingoshi: never upgrade packages while running X ... [05:45] never upgrade X packages while running X [05:45] Action: slackytude does the nitpick [05:46] That seems to make sense. But it defeats having gslapt, doesn't it? [05:46] duryo (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-711aa0f49bebb406) joined ##slackware. [05:47] not really, lots of packages you can install/upgrade that have nothing to do with X [05:48] Nick change: duryo -> duryodhan [05:48] I really have too many packages to keep track of which ones are for X. [05:48] #3706 pkgs [05:49] I guess I could do "slapt-get --install-set kde" or x, xap [05:52] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host183-77-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:55] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [05:55] uva (i=bono@118-160-167-55.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:55] hi i leave my pc on 24/7, what i want to know is, how do i make my pc "sleep"? [05:55] to conserve electricty and other things :] [05:56] suspend to RAM or hibernate [05:56] how so? [05:56] how do i hibernate? [05:56] google [05:56] .............. [05:57] i came here to get a single question answered [05:57] technically every question can be answered with google :[ [05:57] but i want it answered here [05:58] http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+hibernate [05:58] i thought different flavor had different way of doing so [05:58] rofl [05:58] http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=slackware+hibernate [05:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.27.78) joined ##slackware. [05:59] there :) [05:59] i thought someone hacked my pc when i saw that :O [06:00] -_-' [06:01] lol [06:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [06:01] y'know i think i even prefer blobstroppers to spoonfeeders [06:03] Zordrak: there is nothing worse then people who want to be spoonfed everything in life [06:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:04] D: jeez you guys sure are helpful to assume i want to be spoonfed everything in life [06:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:05] missyjane: would you like me to google that for you? :P [06:05] and nothing worse? i guess you like your balls set on fire? :) [06:05] is preferable [06:06] oh ok [06:06] in that case i leave you to your misery :D [06:06] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [06:06] lol [06:06] TFFT [06:06] bono (i=bono@114-45-224-13.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:17] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204870.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:21] anyone here using canto rss reader? [06:21] Action: slava_dp reads ChangeLogs directly =) [06:21] Sarahh_ (i=owsumh@41.236.13.112) joined ##slackware. [06:22] :/ [06:25] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. 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[06:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:42] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [06:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:45] what could i use to send commands via the com port (rs-232) ? i know there's setserial for setting parameters. is there any tool that can talk to the port with predefined sequences? or can i talk to /dev/ttyS0 directly? [06:47] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [06:48] minicom? [06:48] Nick change: Camarade_Tux_ -> Camarade_Tux [06:49] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2f8ea98b8c836128) joined ##slackware. [06:49] Zordrak, err, i need something like `echo`, to send byte strings to the port. minicom is an interactive thing. [06:49] cant you just pipe to the port? [06:50] that's what i'm asking, can i? :) [06:51] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. 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[08:25] there was some trick to getting an 'intel' compiled kernel to compile on an 'amd'. is it 'make mrproper' before compiling? [08:25] make sure to back up your .config before you mrproper [08:25] i did [08:25] I have an interesting proplem - haven't seen anything quite like this before - maybe someone here has. I ssh to a 12.1 box just fine, but when I try scp to the same box, it will not authenticate. [08:27] try it with -v and see if there's an error message [08:29] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:29] i have a 2400xp+ amd system. do i select 'MK7=y' or is the chip MK8? [08:30] or is it Petium4? [08:30] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [08:30] :/ i just select the right family for the chip in menuconfig... [08:31] ok [08:31] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-222.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:32] 2GHz. it seems to run quite quickly (i hope it does X right) [08:32] http://pastebin.ca/1383669 [08:33] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "The system is going down for a while." [08:34] Looks like a "publickey" problem. Maybe I should just delete /home/gayle/.ssh/id_rsa and/or /home/gayle/.ssh/id_dsa ? [08:34] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:34] That would be on the client PC [08:35] frullet (n=UncleFru@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:36] When I give password, it says " Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interacti" [08:36] When I give password, it says " Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive" [08:37] frullet (n=UncleFru@124-170-3-248.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [08:37] Permission denied, please try again. [08:38] Not allowed router interfaces E0 and E1 with same IP range in rc.inet1.conf? [08:38] Hi all, [08:38] youre allowd to do what you want.. but if its invalid it wont work [08:39] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [08:39] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:39] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [08:41] npad (n=nick@69.17.57.162) joined ##slackware. [08:42] how do i monitor a file change? [08:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] without polling from the shell, that is [08:42] famd [08:43] file access monitor daemon [08:43] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [08:44] will it also be able to monitor special files? [08:44] jozefk (i=5660e257@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f76f6eb01845213e) joined ##slackware. [08:44] such as wifi dongle? [08:44] *shrug* [08:44] giyf [08:45] slackware doesnt come with famd by default. is that the command name? [08:45] or I dont findit there [08:45] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] gamin [08:46] gamin is what slack uses instead of fam [08:48] where is gamin located? [08:49] slocate gamin [08:49] NaCl (i=1000@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [08:49] cat /var/log/packages/gamin* [08:49] sahko: tft [08:51] anyone good with dual displays in X ? I just got an external monitor for my laptop, and when docked and monitor connected, the laptop screen just displays a subset of the external one. See xorg.conf here: http://pastebin.ca/1383683 [08:52] t0f (i=1000@wlk-barre-69-72-81-37.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:53] Sarahh_ (i=owsumh@41.236.13.112) left irc: No route to host [08:53] uva (i=bono@118-168-233-58.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:59] Yalla-One : uhmm, and what were you expecting? a second display? [09:00] ananke, yeah, I was expecting to have full resolution on the big, external one and run the laptop separate.. I pretty much copied the setup from my previous laptop/screen (obvoisly changing for different hardware) but no such luck [09:01] I would have though that for instance xdpyinfo should report two screens rather than just one... [09:01] it's likely your new hardware doesn't support it [09:02] nvidia-settings simplifies the process. if you have nvidia. [09:02] I'm on Intel i915 [09:02] with slackwre's standard X.org [09:03] ananke, slava_dp: xrandr -q reports VGA connected 1920x1200 and later LVDS connected 1280x800 [09:05] so my educated guess is that it's user-error and not hardware problem... user being me :-) [09:08] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:08] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:09] Floops (n=baihu@bankii.ax.lt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] frullet (i=hooch@gateway/tor/x-11ea84486bd4ee80) joined ##slackware. [09:11] evenin all [09:12] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [09:14] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-80-15.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] testalu (n=iagselen@transi11.iag.uni-stuttgart.de) joined ##slackware. [09:15] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.147.54) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.2.116) joined ##slackware. [09:21] greetings frullet [09:23] hitest: hows it goin mate? [09:23] frullet: things are good:) you? [09:24] hitest: not to shabby thanks, just waste deep in study notes at the moment :/ [09:25] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [09:25] just having some java here, enjoying some down time before I head off to work:) [09:25] you're welcome [09:26] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [09:27] testalu (n=iagselen@transi11.iag.uni-stuttgart.de) left ##slackware. [09:29] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-69-245-162-6.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.89.88) joined ##slackware. [09:31] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.89.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:32] mode_x12 (n=augusto@189-041-48-135.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:32] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:35] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[10:23] proj [10:23] ect [10:23] O_o [10:23] wrong window [10:23] he [10:23] split windows? [10:23] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host183-77-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:23] multiple desktops and rdesktop [10:24] ah [10:24] multiple monitors that is [10:24] well, two [10:24] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@20150055054.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:26] cfdisk /dev/sda1 [10:26] oh but you probably heard that one before hehe [10:26] heri0n (n=heri0n@bas6-hamilton14-1176216338.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:27] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-685cde5822a9d2dc) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:27] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:27] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@20150055054.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:27] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@20150055054.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[10:40] eh [10:40] some dude in marketing wrote a small script [10:41] in a language called WinBatch [10:41] http://www.winbatch.com/download.html#dlwinbatch [10:41] with a cracked copy from 1998 [10:41] roughly 20 lines [10:41] win 3.11 style FTW [10:42] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:42] and GOTO [10:42] hello can somone tell me why agiofws@ixus:~/lisabona$firefox out.swf plays the file nicely while when i host it on apache and access it from a web browser again ... it wont play the file ? [10:42] srry wrong channel [10:43] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [10:46] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[11:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [11:02] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] it's all goto under the hood [11:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:03] hiptobecubic, thats not the point [11:03] it's not? [11:03] nope [11:04] carry on then. [11:04] Action: slackytude carries on [11:06] arriesp (n=arriesp@84.77.140.224) joined ##slackware. [11:06] hi [11:06] hi [11:06] yes.. I'm high [11:07] wake and bake? [11:07] Dominian, O_o [11:07] er.. [11:07] Action: edman007 shakes Dominian [11:08] Damn tourrettes... [11:08] ALWAYS gettin' me in trouble [11:08] Dominian, you're just drunk huh? [11:08] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-14a382ecf0a14123) left irc: [11:08] heh no [11:08] on a monday morning too [11:08] It would be nice [11:09] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] I'd love to come to work drunk one day.. just ONE day to see how the day went [11:09] would be interesting [11:09] lol [11:09] well i suppose today is that day [11:09] "you want me to fix your DSL... here's a tip... suck my C$%^! *click*" [11:09] hahaahhaha [11:09] lol [11:09] Action: Dominian swigs [11:10] Hrm.. maybe that should be an SNL skit [11:10] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:12] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD88CE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "EOW (End of Work)" [11:12] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:14] hehehe [11:14] one of my former coworkers came in to work drunk off his ass on whiskey [11:14] he didn't last very long lol [11:17] I bet not [11:18] he had to leave like 1/2 way thru the day... [11:18] hangover kicked in early [11:20] sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Connection timed out [11:22] agentc0re|work (n=jon@65.121.183.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:23] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.143.251) joined ##slackware. [11:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [11:28] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE93EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:31] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] i have problems with libexo-0.3.so.0 [11:31] how can i get it? [11:32] install xfce [11:32] there no option? [11:32] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:32] agentc0re|work1 (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:33] exo is bundled with xfce [11:33] what do you have that is complaining ? [11:33] i have installed exo [11:34] why ? [11:34] i need it to compile thunar [11:34] because he didn't know any better it appears [11:34] can you maybe actually explain something ? your 2-3 word sentences make it impossible to predict WTF you're doing [11:34] er [11:34] arriesp: slackware ships with thunar by default, from the xfce package [11:35] i only want thunar, not xfce i'm using fluxbox [11:35] uhh [11:35] hah [11:35] yeah [11:35] you'll end up compiling most of xfce [11:35] have you tried pcmanfm ? [11:35] no.. [11:36] Its just easier to install all of xfce [11:36] despite being a "light" DE, I find xfce still quite large [11:36] and heavy [11:37] i prefer icewm or fluxbox... [11:37] openbox \o/ /DE_and_WM_troll [11:38] i don't understand, why i need kde to have only kate, or why i need xfce to have only thunar... [11:38] all kde and all xfce for 2 packages? [11:38] you don't need all of kde, but you will need kdelibs, kdebase, qt, etc. [11:39] arriesp: you don't NEED all of xfce to install thunar, but it will probably save you about an hour of your time just to install xfce, which is only a 20 mb. package or so [11:39] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) joined ##slackware. [11:39] arriesp: Slackware doesn't package things like openSUSE or Fedora or any others [11:40] the biggest things in xfce are libexo, libmcs, lib..., all of which are requirements for thunar [11:40] i didn't do it for two reasons, one because i don't use it, and the second because i want to learn how to do it... [11:40] arriesp: Those other distros split everything out of those packages and make them individual packags.. and that's a distro choice..a s xfce really isn't meant to be done like that. .neither is KDE/Gnome/XFCE [11:40] Action: Necos uses openbox ^_~ [11:40] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:41] Action: Camarade_Tux has used openbox [11:41] and is now happy :p [11:41] i'm sorry but i'm new here... [11:41] lol what WM / DE you use now Camarade_Tux? [11:42] Necos, openbox :) [11:42] oh ^_^ [11:42] arriesp: no problem :) it's just easiest to state your entire problem [11:42] :) [11:42] i was pissed when OB took out the panel :( [11:42] the panel is still available [11:43] in 3.4.x? [11:43] well, it's separate but it's still available [11:43] look for obpanel [11:43] tint2 is a much better choice, though [11:44] tint2? [11:44] Action: Camarade_Tux actually messes things up >< [11:44] http://code.google.com/p/tint2/ [11:44] but obpanel/rspanel (same with a different name) doesn't work properly [11:45] probably because the source code is about 30KB ;p [11:46] monstro (i=monstro@201-92-45-131.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:46] i like the transparency of tint2... looks nice [11:46] does tint2 depends on python ? [11:47] i really liked pypanel, but apparently there's a bug in python that causes it to crash at random [11:47] I'm not sure why I ask : I don't use anything beside openbox and even got rid of the borders [11:47] hehehe [11:49] the thing i missed most about the panel in OB2 was the autohide option [11:49] the only reason i kept the panel was for the clock >.<; [11:49] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Success [11:52] sidmario (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:53] ratpoison has a clock on demand built in if you press escape+a [11:53] its interesting how its the only wm that has something like that built in. [11:53] that's nice [11:54] I go back to xchat and look at the message timestamps >< [11:54] lol [11:54] i use epic still >.> [11:54] my irssi is logged into a server that has a clock that's like 15 minutes behind [11:54] mainly because i'm lazy [11:54] so I don't often do that [11:54] sometimes I run date too [11:54] I should put something in conky [11:55] sidmario (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:55] I even have a good space to put it :) [11:55] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest20448 [11:56] LOL [11:56] necos@tessai:~$ uptime [11:56] 08:56:06 up 72 days, 13:45, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [11:56] i need to reboot this machine at some point [11:57] 72 days ? you can upgrade the kernel for sure :D [11:57] lol [11:58] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-966f137f6312aa54) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] wow... 1m/s on timewarner >.> [12:00] their udp flooding can't stop me lol [12:01] guys, is it possible to create a booteable pendrive from a cd iso? [12:02] yes, see http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [12:02] i did it before [12:03] hmmmm [12:03] the original version of tint2 is old [12:04] .6 i mean... [12:04] nachox, I guess you can do anything since grub works perfectly from an usb key [12:06] hmm [12:06] thrice`: have you tried slackbuilding tint2 yet? [12:08] Necos: it's on slackbuilds.org [12:08] i meant the new beta [12:08] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [12:09] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] I've tried it, yes. it will build if you just change the version number (and possibly comment out a few doc-copying lines) [12:12] it was kinda wierd that the binary is already built in the beta tarball... [12:13] add a "make clean" before make, maybe [12:13] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "leaving" [12:13] that's what i was thinkin... [12:13] you will need imlib2 too, as noted in the readme [12:13] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.87.247) joined ##slackware. [12:14] yeah, ah, already have imlib2 installed... i think i installed it for Esetroot [12:16] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-97.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:17] amonati (i=c88c7f14@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2167edb67189a636) joined ##slackware. [12:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.191) joined ##slackware. [12:19] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.38) joined ##slackware. [12:21] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.178.203) joined ##slackware. [12:21] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [12:22] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [12:22] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [12:23] greetings [12:23] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:24] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:25] Action: i00nsu hi [12:25] hiya [12:26] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Dominian: ping [12:28] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Success [12:28] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:29] anyone here successfully set up xorg.conf for external monitor next to laptop display? Have spent the whole day on this and am out of bright ideas... [12:29] out of crappy ideas as well at this point :P [12:29] acidchild: pong [12:29] Dominian: can you delete a pastebin entry for me? :-/ [12:30] i put a password in it :/ [12:30] acidchild: sure [12:30] i pmed you the url [12:30] k [12:30] thx [12:30] gone [12:30] thanks [12:31] not a problem man [12:31] how you doing? [12:31] Yalla-One, it's possible you don't even need to : which graphic driver do you use ? [12:31] doing ok [12:31] Just wathing the hosting.. making sure everything is still "solid" [12:31] Camarade_Tux, intel [12:31] acidchild: I'm waiting on things to suddenly stop working hehe.. how about yourself? [12:32] Camarade_Tux, My xorg.conf is here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/configuring-xorg.conf-for-external-monitor-717197/ [12:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Dominian: got my bank card sorted out they finally sent it. [12:32] heh [12:32] yay [12:32] Yalla-One, with xrandr, it should properly set your displays up, try 'xrandr --auto' [12:32] and i got a compasation too [12:32] good [12:32] Anyone want a free AthlonXP 3500+? [12:32] I do [12:32] It's pins are bent....... [12:32] Camarade_Tux, Yeah, when I do xrandr --auto and then change left-of / right-of it works just fine [12:32] define free [12:32] Its [12:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:32] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:32] Zordrak, he :p [12:33] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [12:33] Camarade_Tux, However, when I start X, I get the login window in the lower right corner of the LVDS and middle of the external screen, and then plasma crashes on login... [12:33] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Zordrak: after you hand the thing over to UPS with my address on it, I'll tell you how to straighten pins, for next time [12:33] Dominian: you at work? [12:33] acidchild: aye [12:33] acidchild: you? [12:33] anything interesting? [12:33] So somehow I need to get whatever xrandr does correctly put into my xorg.conf, or perhaps get xrandr to run prior to kdm, if that's possible ? [12:33] acidchild: heh nah [12:33] i'm beeing ZiWAll to xtube.com infastructure soon [12:33] peering* [12:33] beeing lOL [12:33] acidchild: I'm going to redo my .htaccess file here shortly.. to serve up lemonparty anytime ANYONE tries to hotlink [12:34] plasma... tried a wm that doesn't uses 3D a lot ? [12:34] acidchild: nice [12:34] acidchild: then all you gotta do is get those servers up and running and everything is set [12:34] Dominian: so i can provide HD content over the network [12:34] mmlj4: it's boned [12:34] acidchild: I finally checked out ziwall's site.. interesting.. didn't know you started your own business hehe [12:34] rofl [12:34] Yalla-One, if you plug your external display *before* starting X, you should get your display set up automatically (same as xrandr --auto) [12:34] 5towers baby [12:34] =] [12:34] :) [12:34] wha'd you do, step on it? [12:34] no.. someone cleaned it [12:34] acidchild: well that explains why you're building the boxf or me.. kind of like 'payment' for hosting email hhahah [12:35] vigorously [12:35] Zordrak: with what.. a baseball bat? [12:35] while standing it on its pins [12:35] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [12:35] acidchild: whats happening? [12:35] acidkill_: He and I are taking over the world? YOu want in on it? [12:35] did you clean them by way of thanking them? [12:35] Dominian: ha [12:35] make it ovious eh [12:35] fu [12:35] hahaha [12:35] Dominian: depends, which one is pinky? lol [12:35] Camarade_Tux, Yeah, I guess I *should*, but either I already have too much crap in my xorg.conf, or there's a problem somewhere, because I need to hack it together to work... but if i want it automagic before starting X, how much should I remove from xorg.conf? Both monitor sections altogether? [12:36] srsly, I used to use my driver's license to straighten entire rows of pins at ones [12:36] once [12:36] i used it to straighten rows of other thigns [12:36] acidkill_: no pinky in this crew [12:36] but not any more [12:36] no idea if that trick still works, or if the pins are too clustered [12:36] acidkill_: You have to hack the Gibson first... :( [12:36] ;) [12:36] only gibson i can hack is a guitar [12:36] acidchild: See, I told you YEARS ago your potential would find itself.. was I right, or was I RIGHT!? [12:37] make some racket make you kill people [12:37] Yalla-One, try removing all the references to that external display, you really don't need them now (randr works so well) [12:37] Camarade_Tux, OK, so all I keep is a basic xorg.conf with a very basic monitor setting for the LVDS? Will try. thanks brb [12:37] Dominian: you where wrong [12:38] i'm a hooker now [12:38] shush [12:38] hah [12:38] sure [12:38] :P [12:38] haha [12:38] want a coffee matt? [12:38] i'm heading up to the cafe soon [12:38] acidchild: Dude, I remember when you would IM/email me when you were basically homeless.. look where you are now [12:38] acidchild: nah I'm good [12:38] acidchild: You've come a long way in a short time my friend.. told you to keep your faith.. you did.. and its paying off [12:38] and you deserve it [12:38] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [12:38] :> [12:39] and if I can reap some rewards from it.. I'm not going to bitch [12:39] Action: Dominian ducks [12:39] haha [12:39] maybe after i get my private jet [12:39] jk [12:39] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Camarade_Tux, No success :( Took out the references to the external display and telinit 3 && telinit 4, and now I have the same display on both screens [12:40] acidchild: haha [12:40] ZiWall Airlines? [12:40] hmmm catchy [12:40] that website needs alot of build out [12:40] acidchild: uhh yeah [12:40] it looks like a 4 year old colored it [12:40] Action: Dominian ducks [12:41] ziwall? is this a SFW business outfit? :) [12:41] thrice`: aye [12:41] hehe [12:41] when I do xrandr --auto no visible change happens. [12:41] thrice`: its safe :P [12:41] apart from the magic cookies that will eat your brain [12:41] xrandr --output LVDS --left-of VGA I get "screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3200x1200) [12:41] those things are good... [12:42] Action: Yalla-One really hates X.org - with a vengeance [12:42] Yalla-One: hater [12:42] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [12:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat075.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:42] acidchild: so what are you up to today? [12:42] math [12:42] lol [12:42] and perl [12:43] acidchild: any chance you can talk the landlord into letting youm ove in early? hehe [12:43] be like "He beeotches.. I'm movin' in.. get out" [12:43] nar [12:43] they aint even finished the loft yet [12:43] nice [12:43] like i'll get the key 1-2days before [12:43] acidchild: so are the towers up and running already? [12:43] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:43] Dominian: no :-/ [12:44] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [12:44] we had crazy winds yesterday, they closed part of downtown due to 'peices flying off roof tops' [12:44] so i went on the roof and mine was still up [12:44] wow [12:44] yeah you have to secure those things for highwinds [12:44] can never been too safe with the towers [12:45] http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090404/090404_dundas_square/20090404/?hub=CP24Home [12:45] I will tell yout his too.. When you seal the connectors... I'd use some nice 3M tape that's meant for being outside... there's something else I use that we nicknamed "gorilla snot" because its sticky.. coems in pads.. you have to cut it in strips.. when you wrap it around the connector.. seals out all weather-related issues like rain, snow, ice etc [12:45] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204870.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] you talking about the RF connectors? [12:46] and power inlets? [12:46] aye [12:46] Action: acidchild nods [12:46] You want to make sure they are as weatherproof as you can make them [12:46] is that gorilla snot black? [12:46] The stuf fwe buy is from a electrical retailer [12:46] oh yes [12:46] i think i've used it before. [12:46] :) [12:46] little thick [12:46] sticky as all hell [12:46] on Ham radio stuff [12:46] aye [12:47] Action: acidchild nods [12:47] hello acidchild, Dominian. how goes it today fellows? [12:47] good brb coffee and donut maybe [12:47] Its perfect for that type of thing.. then get some nice super electrical tape that's meant to be outside.. wrap it around ther ejust to be safe [12:47] woot [12:47] dtanner: goes good [12:47] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] dtanner: how bout yourself? [12:49] jlindsay (n=jlindsay@c-68-47-204-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] could someone tell how to install berkeley database with 1.85 compatibility? [12:49] i can't find it [12:49] Dominian: doing good , truying to wake up .. having a strong cup-o-joe right now =) thanks for asking [12:50] doh >.<; [12:50] arriesp: db4.4 has 1.85 compat [12:50] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [12:50] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [12:50] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:50] hello [12:50] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [12:51] hey p [12:51] hi [12:51] upgrade went well :) [12:52] Ya [12:52] Camarade_Tux: so how was musaka? [12:52] well, he should check x's virtual screens [12:52] aperturefever, I haven't watched it yet ;p [12:53] well, I took a look before it was completely downloaded, it's awful... [12:53] Camarade_Tux: Its better this way... you ll save your mental health for a bit more [12:53] Dominian: my gf's bday was saturday and i got her a Ipod-Touch and a set of Klipsch speaker with an ipod dock. she has been loving it. now i want one. [12:53] configure: error: Your db library is missing db 1.85 compatibility mode [12:54] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Dominian: I "assumed" support under linux but the touch is the oNLY ipod that is not supported in linux so i had to setup windows ina vbox so she could access itunes+ipod . at least she has been using slackware now for several months and i didn't want to have to boot windows just for the ipod touch so -> vbox FTW! [12:55] hehe [12:55] that's the way to work it [12:55] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Client Quit [12:55] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host183-77-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao!" [12:56] chb (n=chb@host81-181-238-85.hiway.at) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Closed source vbox has usb support so i had to uninstall my open source vbox and install the closed source version to get it going [12:57] gotta love vbox... [12:57] Nick change: udk -> UdontKnow [12:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:57] hell yeah antler [12:57] lol [12:57] I use the binary installer all the time [12:57] i plan on tracking -current in a vbox [12:57] Once the SATA virtual interface is in opensource.. I'll use OSE [12:57] i installed the 2.1.4 binary vbox [12:57] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007|work [12:57] but until then.. I use the binary installer [12:58] hmmm, thrice`... apparently make clean breaks the slackbuild lol [12:59] oh ? [12:59] man that touch is super fsckin cool. now i want one. i have never been one to really want a portable mp3player but after seeeing the touch in action and allit's features and bigger screen and the clarity of videos and audio "I Want ONE NOW!" [13:00] it doesn't recompile the binary [13:00] Dominian: i got her the 8 gig ( which is plenty ) but i think i am going to get the 16G version for myself ! [13:00] dtanner: how much was the 8gig version? [13:00] 250'ish? [13:00] my wife has been wanting an mp3 player for a long time and I was looking at the touch [13:00] god [13:01] Dominian: 230.00 USD at bestbuy [13:01] I could get an xbox 360 elite for that price ;) [13:01] close enough =p [13:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "brb" [13:01] Dominian: where can you get an xbox elite for that price? [13:02] i thought the xbox was much higher than that but i haven't kept up with the pricing on them lately [13:02] its not exactly at that price but very close [13:02] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:02] dtanner: yeah its close [13:03] i haven't had a "gaming machine" for years [13:03] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.38) left irc: "Leaving" [13:03] dtanner: However, I suggest anyone getting an xbox360 to just get the Pro version.. there's no difference between the elite and pro other than the color, the elite comes with the HDMI cable and has a 120GB dirve.. those are the only differences [13:03] i can see Dominian is in a full sentence kinda mood today [13:03] :P [13:04] i just don;t game anymore hardly ever. but i used to be bigtime into gaming. maybe i will check out these xbox that everyone loves so much. they must have killer graphics i assume. [13:04] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:04] Dominian: How much space does the pro have? [13:04] 60GB [13:04] more than enough [13:04] I won my XBox 360 in a sweepstakes. :D [13:04] but you can get the 120GB hard drive separate if you want the space that badly [13:05] I've been looking.. and the cheapest place to buy the accessories.. is amazon.com [13:05] like the wireless adapter runs like 100+ at retail stores.. amazon has it for like 75bucks.. new [13:05] firebird619: you won something! i never win any contests! :PPpp on you. and congrats =) [13:05] haha, yeah I won that and the computer I'm on in sweepstakes through the local grocery store and Kelloggs. :) [13:05] amonati (i=c88c7f14@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2167edb67189a636) left irc: Client Quit [13:06] nice [13:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXxIADxcGSo [13:06] firebird619: did you get the elite pro or arcade version? [13:06] firebird619: that is way cool [13:06] lol [13:06] dtanner: oh and not to mention a lot of people I've seen with the Elites.. some reason they have lots of problems with them once they hook up to xbox live [13:07] my supervisor's 360 elite won't play like.. Halo 3 if his hard drive is attached hehe [13:07] is the software that diffrent? [13:07] Dominian: The one that has a 20GB HD, but that's more than enough for me. [13:07] firebird619: ahh archade versionit sound like [13:07] acidchild: dunno man.. all I know is peole who have the arcade/elite versions have had issues [13:07] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:07] everyone I've talked to that has the Pro version.. no problems. [13:07] is there any gameing distros out there/ [13:07] and the backward compat with my xbox games is awesome :) [13:08] Dominian: i will keep those tips in mind and just get the pro if/when i purchase one. good advice. [13:08] maybe i can convert one of these nano-ITX mobos in to a ghetto emulating games console [13:09] acidchild: hey what specs for those boxes were you looking at? [13:09] Dominian: Nah, it isn't arcade, or at least that's not what the box said, I can't remember what the box said, but I know it wasn't the arcade one. I just know it works great (No RROD thankfully) and the graphics are amazing. [13:09] acidchild: there's a linux-based gaming console out there [13:09] Dominian: nano-ITX NL series. [13:09] I have to find it.. hang on [13:09] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl241-7.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:09] acidchild: for the servers you were telling me about? [13:09] the one you said I had to chill about cause you were working on it or something lol [13:09] oh [13:09] they are P4's ? [13:10] i dont mind buying new servers [13:10] firebird619: the latest version of the StudioS Guide looks great man. good work. Thanks again for being the Guide NAZI! :P [13:10] aha! found it [13:10] heh, np. [13:10] http://www.envizionscorp.com/ [13:10] Those things looks weet [13:10] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] hah [13:11] Dominian: Does it tell in settings which xbox I have, you got me curious now. :P [13:11] firebird619: umm what does yours look like? [13:12] Dominian: you done concrete drilling before? [13:12] I am in pure console and after a while my display goes in stand-by mode. Problem is I can't bring it back by pressing a key. Only way I can get it back is starting X. Any ideas on how I can bring the display back from stand-by in pure console? [13:12] Well, it's white, has the 20 GB HD, looks just like a standard Xbox 360 I guess? [13:12] The arcade one doesn't come with a HD though, and mine has one. [13:12] nick4: check errr /etc/login* [13:12] for the timeout [13:12] acidchild: yes I have [13:12] ohhh, ok let me see that :) [13:12] Dominian: i want to build a home chinma [13:12] Dominian: i have a projector already [13:12] firebird619: that maybe one of the Pro versions before they upped the drive to 60GB [13:13] but my cielings are 10ft [13:13] acidchild: nice [13:13] concreate. [13:13] acidchild: You're going tow ant to look into 1) a masonary bit 2) concrete anchors that are worth a shit [13:13] Dominian: That could be. I just know it works great. :D [13:13] Dominian: yeah =/ [13:13] othermindszine (n=othermin@126.sub-70-192-2.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:13] maybe pay someone to install it insted? [13:13] firebird619: oh yes.. and we are going to get a gold membership to xbox live onc eI get it hooked to the internet.. so we can test out streaming our netflix account ehhe [13:13] acidchild: probasbly be a good idea.. but get quotes. [13:13] yep [13:14] acidchild: If you have a decent ladder.. its not all that hard.. but if you don't have a powerful enough drill you'll be hurtin' by the time you get done. [13:14] i have a nice drill >:D [13:14] firebird619: i enjoyed the entire album very much you suggested -> Red - Innocence & Instinct (Deluxe Edition). really good stuff. how many albums do the have out? [13:14] acidchild: does it have the "hammer" ability" [13:14] i repo'ed it off some dude who owed me monies! =] [13:14] yep [13:14] I can't remember the name of that function... [13:14] hammer drill [13:14] yep [13:14] acidchild: that's what you'd wanna use along with a masonary bit.. makes drilling into concrete easy [13:15] yep [13:15] dtanner: I believe just those two. End of Silence and Innocence and Instinct. I'm glad you enjoyed the albume. [13:15] Dominian: gonna come over watch a movie [13:15] We have a masonary bit here we bought for one job that is almost 1m long lol [13:15] it will be a date [13:15] jk [13:15] :P [13:15] firebird619: yeah , i love it man. they are versatile. [13:16] pireau_ (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [13:16] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:16] Dominian: have you seen those drill bits that you can add extensions to and make it insanely llong and ithe extemnsions are flexible for like drilling holes for alarm wires or whatever in attics so you don't have to crawl to the edge and drill in tight spaces? [13:16] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] ah neat [13:17] yeah I've seen those. [13:17] I haven't used them, but I've seen them. [13:17] i just dont trust myself making holes in my ceiling [13:17] heh [13:18] Yeah.. you measure a million times so you only drill once [13:18] yep [13:18] plus you have to be careful.. some points in a celing can't be drilled into [13:18] Dominian: a friend of mine installs alarm systems and he has some of those long a$$ drill bits .. he can be in a comfortabel spot in the attic ( if there is such a thing ) and reach waaay to the edge where the roofilne meets the outer walls and drill a hole np. [13:18] Dominian: rebar ... [13:18] dtanner: nice [13:18] acidchild: not just that.. those ceilings are usally part of the overall support structure [13:18] yep ;/ [13:19] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] i might just put a shelf up =P [13:19] There are alternative mounting mechanisms for something like that.. no-drill setups.. [13:19] Dominian: indeed, the way he does it is he drills UP form the room into the attic and leaves the bit sticking up then he knows exactly where to complete the job and feed the wire [13:19] dtanner: aye [13:19] dtanner: when i install alerm systems i use thermite [13:19] :> [13:19] dtanner: I've just never looked into how those work or if it would be worth it for me [13:19] acidchild: what is thermite? [13:19] rofl [13:19] bum bum [13:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite [13:20] rofl [13:20] acidchild I can't find a word "timeout" in /etc/login* [13:21] mirash (n=root@117.196.132.144) joined ##slackware. [13:21] there is only LOGIN_TIMEOUT but it's not what I am looking for :-/ [13:21] acidchild: cool [13:21] how can i play a wav file from command line? [13:21] aplay [13:21] LOGIN_TIMEOUT 60 [13:21] Action: arriesp bye [13:21] in /etc/login.defs [13:21] no thats the wrong thing [13:21] he's looking for the screen saver part [13:21] Dominian yes but that's not what I am looking for [13:22] it might be a boot loader option [13:22] What are you looking for? [13:22] arriesp (n=arriesp@84.77.140.224) left irc: "Leaving" [13:22] I guess I missed the beginning conversation [13:22] Dominian -- [20:11:25] I am in pure console and after a while my display goes in stand-by mode. Problem is I can't bring it back by pressing a key. Only way I can get it back is starting X. Any ideas on how I can bring the display back from stand-by in pure console? [13:22] shut off gpm [13:22] mirash: "play" or "aplay" [13:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@host164-156-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:22] ok Dominia, let me check this [13:22] nick4: I bet gpm is futzing with your display [13:23] Dominian I shut it down from rc.gpm, then I pressed a key on the keyboard. The display didn't came back. Do I need a restart? [13:25] it says on the Slack site that a 'New book! [13:26] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [13:26] slackware is best for learning linux [13:26] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:26] will be released mid-09 - just out of curiosity, is there any way I can see what form it is now? maybe I can help out by finding a teeny tiny spelling error [13:27] Wittic can you give me a link where you read that please? [13:27] http://www.slackbook.org/ [13:27] great! [13:27] That's been there for quite some time now, 3 or 4 months I'd say [13:28] You can contact the people and ask them if they need help [13:28] AFAIK, slackbook.org has enough volunteers already :) [13:28] alright, one of the authors seems to be in this chan right now (Alan Hicks) [13:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.147.54) left irc: "byez" [13:28] yep [13:30] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host183-77-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:31] vatgas (n=val@123.145.73.171) left irc: "Leaving." [13:31] poet (i=40c6e39d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a84c425d54315adb) joined ##slackware. [13:32] anyone use a usb hd enclosure under linux? i can't see it not working, but just wanna check because there are drivers for windows and macos. [13:32] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.93.236.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] I'm installing with encrypted luks using README_CRPYT.txt I'm wondering if I need to make any changes in the producure if I decide to encrypt with twofish instead of aes? [13:33] antler most USB enclosures work under slack [13:34] after you connect it, look for any new devices with ls /dev/sd* [13:34] thrice`: you have a SS of your tint2 setup? [13:34] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:34] poet (i=40c6e39d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a84c425d54315adb) left irc: Client Quit [13:34] or "tail -f /var/log/messages" before you plug it in. [13:34] that one is better [13:35] but needs root :P [13:35] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [13:35] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:36] nix_chix0r (i=misspwn@75-104-25-111.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:55] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] hang on.. busy at work so I can't really help hehe [13:56] mirash (n=root@117.196.134.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] ok thanks Dominian, damn it's been 3 years since i did rDBs =P [13:56] heh [13:57] Same here.. most of the stuff I have isn't in separate DBs.. [13:57] learning php at the same time... php is surprisingly easy i might add [13:58] U-Neeks (i=555@201-67-30-17.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:59] aye it is [13:59] Its just keeping with good code that's the hard part [13:59] oh i don't claim my code is good or efficient lol [13:59] hhe [14:04] Action: fred has been having fun with IBM DB2 recently :) very shiny [14:05] Nick change: Guest41994 -> jlindsay [14:05] omg... this is so nice ^_^ [14:05] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:06] Dominian: bah, write your websites in C++ :D [14:06] ewww [14:06] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-149-87.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Necos: nah, static typing is very nice :) [14:06] it's also very high performing [14:07] yeah, static typing is great :) [14:07] and a bitch if someone uses funky coding style [14:07] Action: Camarade_Tux was on #ocaml not a minute ago [14:07] Camarade_Tux: http://tessai.kicks-ass.net:8080/gateway/desktop.jpg <--- tint2 [14:08] Necos: http://docs.fredemmott.co.uk/FastCgiQt/ :D [14:08] that's for the procedural approach; need to get around to writing some decent modules for the service-based approach [14:09] i just hate C++ ^_~ [14:09] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "brb" [14:09] if i had to write C for CGI, i guess i could... it would just make my head hurt =p [14:10] Action: Necos prods Camarade_Tux [14:10] Camarade_Tux: you might enjoy Ada as well, perhaps? I think I'm going to spend some time learning that [14:12] psychicist, it's on my todo and seems nice but also a bit annoying with too much "bureaucracy", too much to explicitely specify [14:12] woohoo, 50 days uptime [14:12] I've grown used to type inference : you define no type but everything is statically typed so you get the speed :) [14:12] heh [14:13] Necos, http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1146/85231363.png [14:13] that's my actual desk3 :) [14:14] all root logins eh [14:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:14] fred: bah.. I dont' know C++ [14:14] no *bar at all : it wastes space [14:14] fred: and you've been having issues with yours lately so I don't wanna hear about it mister :P [14:14] nooper, don't tell everybody ! :D [14:15] Action: Camarade_Tux has to change that but hasn't taken the time yet [14:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:15] are you modifying the ocaml libs? [14:15] nooper, no, I'm making one [14:15] ah [14:16] it's a quite weird one btw, ocaml code is usually much cleaner and sexier [14:17] Necos: no, sorry, at work. get it working ? [14:17] yeah, i posted SS in backlog [14:18] I think the sys-tray stuff is pretty new, so might not be perfect :) the taskbar stuff is great though [14:18] Camarade_Tux: that's nice but the yellow is kind of an eyesore [14:18] ^_^ [14:18] but damn, that's sick [14:19] now if i can get urxvt to do true transparency, i'd be set [14:19] hell0_moto (n=a@122.162.220.10) joined ##slackware. [14:19] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:19] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl241-7.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] and ML syntax is quite unusual ;) [14:20] skapazzo (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [14:20] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:20] i mean the yellow font in conky actually... =p [14:21] should have been white or something... 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[14:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat075.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.209) joined ##slackware. [14:46] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: "~" [14:47] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [14:47] wtf is ocaml? [14:47] progging language [14:47] lispish. [14:47] check out clojure, also cute. [14:48] not lispish ! [14:48] there's fast no parenthesis ! :D [14:48] s/fast/almost/ [14:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:48] I *always* make that mistake, I don't know why I use the german there [14:49] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.87.247) left irc: "laters" [14:49] kyw953 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:49] i know it's a programming language... and it looks very similar to lisp... [14:49] might as well write lisp lol [14:50] es gibt fast keine parenthese.. thingy. [14:50] nani? [14:50] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Camarade_Tux, das macht nichts, ich hab Sie verstanden [14:52] >.> [14:52] stop that nonsense... >.<; [14:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:53] good work Buggaboo [14:53] hm, main inspiration for scala, didn't know that. [14:53] but scala has too much syntax baggage... like perl. [14:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:54] heh, perl++ =p [14:54] Buggaboo, he ;) [14:54] Necos, ocaml is *very* fast [14:54] hm. okay, sorry, not lispish then, ml. [14:54] stupid me. [14:55] I only know, haskell and erlang from the (dys)functional family. [14:55] nah, erlang's alright. [14:56] hmmmm [14:56] ocaml toe... [14:57] skapazzo_ (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Buggaboo, http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/22/633523676678919288-cameltoeyouredoingitwrong.jpg :D [14:57] c'est un langue français [14:57] skapazzo_ (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] keywords are in English ;) [14:58] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/22/633523676678919288-cameltoeyouredoingitwrong.jpg :D [14:58] Rimu (n=Julien@66.Red-79-154-10.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] sorry. [14:59] hehe ;p [14:59] lol [14:59] is it office safe? [14:59] yes [15:00] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] j'ai un copain que a jouer avec ocaml, seems like a nice language. [15:00] hahahahahahaha [15:01] yeah, great language : it's expressive, fast, safe and makes code quick to develop [15:02] people usually find the syntax is weird though [15:02] I think I saw ml syntax before, wasn't worse than perl. 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[15:19] right :-p [15:19] no, it's the number [15:19] if I start wpa_supplicant manually and then restart my network interface, everything associates just fine, so I believe the issue is wpa_supplicant not starting [15:20] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [15:23] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] poet: what are you using as your driver option in rc.inet1.conf? [15:24] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:25] nullboy: I'm using wext [15:25] and when you say it doesn't run, what *does* run during boot? do you see dhcpcd try to pull and address and timeout? [15:26] yes, that's correct [15:26] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [15:26] check your wpa_supplicant.conf config file then [15:26] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12083 [15:26] you may need to add the timing changes that i did, thereis my example [15:26] look in rc.inet1.conf for the timing changes and verify that your wpa_supplicant.conf key is correct [15:27] ah, nice I'll give that a try [15:27] hat encryption are you using? [15:27] what* [15:27] well the file should be correct because it works after boot [15:28] WPA [15:28] ok [15:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:28] look at lines 74 and 77 in my paste [15:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] poet: are you using an intel card by any chance? [15:28] nullboy: it's a broadcom :-/ ugh haha [15:29] this should probably work though, gonna reboot to find out [15:29] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[15:42] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.80) joined ##slackware. [15:42] was it like windows 7 ? [15:42] worse, if it's possible [15:42] rofl "over $200 value" [15:43] all for 19.95 [15:43] lol call now for your special offer [15:43] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-149-87.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] if Billy Mays says that we all need windows, we had better all stand in line with money in our fists [15:44] Billy Mays could sell deep fried cow shit on a stick [15:44] yes [15:45] who the fuck is that? ^_~ [15:45] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:45] Oxyclean [15:45] "sooooOOOOO cleaaaaaaannnn" [15:46] LOL [15:46] btw, Oxyclean does not work as the say [15:46] does it work at all? >.> [15:46] they* [15:47] hell, water will clean a stain, if you rub enough [15:48] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.109.138) joined ##slackware. [15:49] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [15:51] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:51] nachox: did you ping me the other day, by chance? [15:52] thrice`, i thought you were good with cameras, i wanterd to ask you for advice [15:53] ugh i had to order a new keyboard for my laptop [15:53] the right arrow key is dead [15:54] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-4d116fb5308f4f6d) joined ##slackware. [15:55] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] nachox: sorry, not I :( [15:56] It's funny to me how an element with a negative z-index in Mozila based browsers are put behind the canvas where nobody could see them. [15:57] *how elements [15:57] alkos333: that is expected. [15:57] ToXiC (n=root@78-2-191-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:57] alkos333: you should use positive z-indexes [15:57] hi [15:57] anyone familiar with backtrack? [15:57] alkos333: the negative z-index was a IE hack, IIRC [15:57] ToXiC: what is backtrack? [15:58] linux backtrack [15:58] thumbs: No, i'ts not expected. -1 is a perfectly legal CSS and other browsers will put below the object with either no z-index or a positive z-index. [15:58] :D [15:58] linux backtrack is slackware based distro [15:58] ToXiC: why are you asking in #slackware? [15:58] ToXiC: ask #backtrack [15:58] it does not exists [15:59] thumbs: I wouldn't ever use a negative z-index anyway, but it was certainly funny to me when I found out lol [15:59] and backtrack is slackware based... [15:59] use their forum [15:59] ToXiC: well, that's too bad. We don't support it. [15:59] oh god [15:59] ToXiC: based on is the same as IS [15:59] ? [15:59] alkos333: my understanding of the rfc was that positive indexes should be used/ [15:59] can you just try to help? [15:59] isn't backtrack debian based now? [15:59] ToXiC: well.. SuSe was originally forked from Slackware :).. [15:59] ToXiC: no. [15:59] clear [15:59] ToXiC: ask their forums. [15:59] oups sorry [15:59] i asked... [16:00] ToXiC: then wait. [16:00] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: "01001110 01100101 01110010 01100100 00100001" [16:00] thumbs: It's recommended to use positive z-index to avoid gecko's magic tricks :P [16:00] alkos333: bah [16:00] i hope someone will answer:D [16:00] ToXiC: the reason is that most backtrack issues are usually specific to backtrack, and don't exist in slackware [16:00] ToXiC: this is the support channel for slackware, not derivatives. [16:01] ToXiC: you won't find any love here. [16:01] booteco (n=booteco@189.58.27.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] thumbs: It's not important :P [16:01] how to install nvidia driver on slax? [16:01] alkos333: to me, it was. [16:01] umm [16:01] ToXiC: ask #slax [16:01] backtrack does have a channel [16:01] ToXiC: and the backtrack channelis #remote-exploit [16:01] slax=slackware [16:01] #remote-exploit ..and there are 270 people in there... [16:01] ToXiC: no. [16:01] booteco (n=booteco@200.146.8.63) joined ##slackware. [16:01] ToXiC: no [16:01] yes [16:01] ToXiC: no [16:01] ToXiC: no. [16:02] thumbs: Fine, let's keep arguing about it then :) [16:02] no xD [16:02] alkos333: hehe [16:02] ToXiC: see, we all disagree. Go ask somewhere else. [16:02] slackware is slackware; nothing else [16:02] wtf is this????? [16:02] Cannot join #remote-exploit (You are banned [16:02] ToXiC: NO, slax != slackware [16:02] hahaha [16:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:02] Are you using tor? [16:02] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:02] okok [16:03] thrice`: well, slackware is awesome too :) [16:03] maybe your hostmask / ISP is banned. [16:03] why am i not surprised he's banned? [16:03] but how the hell i am banned from remote-exploit when i never evem emtered it??? [16:03] ToXiC: they knew you were coming [16:03] htf should we know? [16:03] ToXiC: why are you bothering us? [16:03] nullboy: tough love in this channel, no love at all in others :P [16:03] lol [16:04] i just wanted to ask some questions [16:04] ToXiC: no, you annoyed us [16:04] install slackware, and then we'll honor every question you can think of :) [16:04] thumbs: I like how the unity of the channel stands out in your words "why are you bother US?" [16:04] lol [16:04] ToXiC: how about you contact a freenode op to clear this and leave us alone? [16:04] alkos333: well, it's true [16:04] ok sorry if i spent your time,i just wanted to ask something... [16:04] lol [16:05] you remind me of a certain user we banned in #apache [16:05] he used to whine all the time. [16:05] ToXiC: So you aren't behind proxy of any sort? [16:05] bono (i=bono@114-45-232-25.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] *behind a proxy [16:05] Shoot.. can't type at all [16:05] thumbs: me? [16:05] lol no [16:05] i am not behind proxy [16:05] haha [16:05] alkos333: no, ToXiC [16:05] Backtrack is for penetration testing. We see this a lot and i think most people in here wonder "how will someone do a decent penetration test if they can't even figure out how to use their distribution? [16:06] " [16:06] root (n=root@201.250.115.171) joined ##slackware. [16:06] nullboy: I do penetration testing with my girlfriend :P [16:06] heello [16:06] alkos333: we all do [16:06] ooh snap [16:06] i think that i will install slackware again [16:06] [ in bed ] [16:06] Nick change: root -> DontUseRootJeJe [16:07] thumbs: nah.. too boring.. on top of books.... kitchen table.. a chair.. beach ? [16:07] ToXiC: anything backtrack does, you can make slackware do [16:07] anyone wanna buy a LINKSYS Wireless-G PCI Adapter (WMP54G) <---- 64.99CDN, used one month, sell for 1/2 price :P [16:07] ToXiC: Kind of like "anything you can do I can do better" song :P [16:07] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Client Quit [16:07] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] i had slackware installed but i had some problems so i installed backtrack, but support for backtrack is very bad [16:08] ToXiC: that is because if you are using backtrack you probably should know wtf you are doing [16:08] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] lol [16:08] yap.. just some source isn't avaible.. like the ass package.. don't know where to find it . [16:08] HACKSTER :P [16:08] good call. [16:08] "problems instaling slackware?" did you forget how to read? [16:09] you want to say that backtrack is for advanced users? [16:09] lol [16:09] is it true that the last version of BT ain't based on slax ? [16:09] someone leave the gate unlocked at the tard farm? [16:09] ToXiC: no, i said it is for a specific purpose [16:09] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:09] no it is debian based [16:09] chopp: hahaha [16:09] hhaha.. now is ubuntu server based.. is really simple to use [16:09] yes i know for wich purpose it is... [16:09] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:09] I love this channel [16:09] ToXiC: so you can understand the type of administrator that it is meant for? [16:10] yes [16:10] and most scripts and stuff are automated.. so even if someone don't know to use it he can use it :P [16:10] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.87.163.119) joined ##slackware. [16:10] nullboy: new in company, doesn't know linux, has to do "stuff"? [16:10] ToXiC: people who know systems and need a toolset to test their systems or client systems? [16:10] ToXiC: How's this. Install Slackware and come back for help later? [16:10] nullboy: at least those seem to come here ;) [16:11] yes i will install slackware but this back track is very interesting and i want to explore it... [16:11] pprkut: yeah because anyone who fits the usage requirements won't need to come here [16:11] but my screen is screwed because i don't know how to install nvidia drivers [16:11] ToXiC: www.slackbuilds.org [16:12] ToXiC: there's a build for the nvidia drivers. [16:12] the this is booring is to make all the menus they have to offer.. like start service A, B, C and D [16:12] thing* [16:12] Alright, explore all you want, just don't use Internet Explorer for your exploration [16:12] thx thumbs i will try [16:12] thumbs++ [16:13] yea .. slackbuilds have almost packages [16:13] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] ToXiC: Just out of curiosity, what distro do you on regular basis? [16:13] i hope i wil finally find drivers [16:13] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:13] *you use [16:13] ToXiC: you don't need to look. The slackbuild provides everything you want, along with the link to the drivers. [16:14] alkos333: I don't understand your question [16:14] ToXiC: once you understand the simplicity of slackbuilds, you cannot mess up anything. [16:15] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.226.170.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [16:15] ToXiC: What distribution do you use on daily basis? [16:16] i am linux beginner, but i am using opensuse [16:16] suse is nice [16:16] because of yast [16:17] thumbs: wich of this files is nvidia driver? http://www.slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/ [16:17] well .. is anyhowto build and iso image from my slack instalation?... is like a backup but with all personalized builds, software and stuff [16:17] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:17] ToXiC: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia&sv=12.2 [16:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:18] i didn't saw those search textbox:D [16:18] wierd.. i install drivers from nvidia site [16:18] whats the diference? [16:18] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [16:18] i00nsu: you can remove those with removepkg [16:18] my graphic card is nvidia nforce 7 wich one to download? [16:18] ahh [16:18] nice [16:18] i00nsu: indeed. [16:19] this is going to end so poorly [16:19] :) [16:19] ToXiC: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-driver/ [16:19] Thank you so much if it is working:D [16:20] nforce?? [16:20] yea that is bad one... [16:20] integrated [16:20] ah [16:20] well any ideia to make a iso image of my slackware installation? [16:20] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: "Leaving" [16:20] but, no thank you so much if it is not working? :P [16:20] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] thumbs: do i need to download .run / .tar.gz or .gz.asc? [16:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:21] you should read the howto ToXiC [16:21] it explains everything [16:21] download all packages and chmod +x file.Slackbuild and ./file.Slackbuild [16:22] it creates a tgz file [16:22] and installpkg [16:22] look here please [16:22] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-driver/ [16:22] and now i need to download one of those files [16:22] but idk wich one [16:23] no, *you* look here please [16:23] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [16:23] lol [16:23] hehe [16:23] download souce and individual files.. all to one directory named for this exemple nvidia [16:23] save link as... [16:24] ok [16:24] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:24] SlackBuilds totally refueled my love for slackware... it was fading off at some point... [16:24] don't forget to use the md5sum to the source to make sure is good [16:24] thumbs: God bless slackbuilds.org and sbopkg [16:25] SiegeX (n=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] alkos333: yeah [16:25] oh yes :) [16:25] i never in my life made a md5sum and never had a problem... lucky ? [16:25] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [16:25] can anyone try to execute this command in shell and tell me if it is working [16:25] As long as you download from trustred source... no problem [16:25] well .. yes.. is a good pratics hehe [16:26] wlassistant [16:26] try execute in shell [16:26] ToXiC: wlassistant is not part of Slackware [16:26] :( [16:26] that was problem why i uninstalled slackware [16:26] Try "vi /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf" instead :-)000000000000000 [16:26] i didn't knew how to connect on internet:D [16:26] ToXiC: use from extra/ Wicd [16:26] i am using wireless [16:27] i was trying to connect all day:D [16:27] what is command in shell to connect on internet? [16:27] ToXiC: reading Slackware's documentation on setting up network connections may help [16:28] i read but i didn't get it... [16:28] yes.. reading is the source of most problems.. anyway .. check dhcpcd sevice [16:28] ./executemission.sh -d mars -t 3m [16:28] You will hav to learn that Slackware is not about spoonfeeding. You tell us what you do not understand and we'll try to help [16:28] there's no such command [16:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] but how to connect then?:S [16:29] hehe [16:29] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [16:29] P4k3 (i=P4k3@c-6f34e255.014-33-6b6c7810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:29] i like backtrack because a lot of security tools are provided... [16:30] lol [16:30] orly? [16:30] does anybody compiled SBo mono !?... it's taking too fff long to pass MDOC [net_2_0] netdocs.tree [16:30] can anyone provide me real link for downloading nvidia drivers? [16:30] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [16:30] www.nvidia.com ? [16:31] not that link lol [16:31] but there you can get the driver?! [16:31] ToXiC: there is a direct link in the slackbuild [16:31] i think i get it yeah [16:31] let me c... [16:31] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-driver/ [16:31] ToXiC: you need to come back and ask for help after you have actually tried [16:31] ToXiC: will you try to wipe your own ass? [16:32] right.in.there. [16:32] poet (n=tim@64.198.227.181) joined ##slackware. [16:32] DOWNLOAD="ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.29/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.29-pkg0.run" [16:32] I'm on a laptop and I have two mice, the build in one and a usb one, but my Xorgconfig only has 1 mouse entry. I'm trying to modify parameters for the USB mouse, how do I know whether to edit the current entry or create a new one? [16:32] ToXiC: hack-tools are not "secure", log-tools,firewalls and stuff are for security proposes, ..but nothing is 100% secure.. [16:32] taken from SlackBuilds/system/nvidia-driver [16:33] DontUseRootJeJe: nice spoon feeding, heh [16:34] poet (n=tim@64.198.227.181) left irc: "leaving" [16:34] btw there is also 180.44 [16:34] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.13) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Lord_Khelben: then the maintainer of the build should be contacted. [16:35] Lord_Khelben: you can do the honours? [16:35] i need to exit chat now because i will now install drivers...thx for all help cya;) [16:35] ToXiC (n=root@78-2-191-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] quick ban him [16:36] hahaha [16:36] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [16:37] Lord_Khelben: no need, I know [16:37] theblackerbox (n=sammo@94-193-137-211.zone7.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:37] thumbs: from what i see pprkut is the maintainer so it is easy since he is here :) [16:37] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:37] exactly [16:37] Lord_Khelben: oh, even better [16:37] pprkut: FIX IT! [16:37] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-146-236.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [16:37] ToXiC (n=root@78-2-191-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:37] me again xD [16:38] i was trying to install but installation failed [16:38] are u using laptop ? [16:38] nop [16:38] this was error [16:38] ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before [16:38] Channel flood from ToXiC -- kicking [16:38] installing. For further details, please see the section INSTALLING [16:38] THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver [16:38] download page at www.nvidia.com. [16:38] ToXiC kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:38] i00nsu: what does that have to do with it? i'm on a laptop using nvidia? [16:38] ToXiC (n=root@78-2-191-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:38] O my - noob supreme [16:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] ? [16:38] lollllllll [16:38] what is problem? [16:39] nvidia drives are not the same [16:39] ToXiC: the error pretty much says it all [16:39] Lord_Khelben: I had it already submitted, but then got two severe crashes and revoked my submission [16:39] but what is x server? [16:39] ToXiC: ctrl+alt+backspace [16:39] ToXiC: the pretty gui thing you see :) [16:39] i00nsu: umm...i'm using the normal nvidia driver on my laptop under slackware... [16:39] ahhh [16:39] that is [16:39] wait, did ToXiC already install slackware ? [16:39] startx:D [16:39] of you modify your x server to be a xxx server you get free pr0n [16:39] that was a very fast re-install [16:39] ok now i will install [16:39] ToXiC: you are not using the slackbuilds, because those don't throw that error [16:39] ToXiC: now 1st thing to do is read http://slackbook.org - then we talk [16:40] ToXiC (n=root@78-2-191-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Client Quit [16:40] no, he's actually on backtrack [16:40] pprkut: i just mentioned it so if he downloads from nvidia he gets the new one. i didn't mean any offence to you [16:40] nullboy: ok, i had some problems using the normal nvidia drivers.. so i did download the notebook 9 and it works [16:40] Lord_Khelben: me neither, just explained why there is no update yet :) [16:40] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." 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[16:46] lol [16:48] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: [16:48] kamaji (n=kamaji@80.176.136.100) left irc: "bbiab" [16:49] i forgot BT3 was based on slackware [16:49] slax [16:50] Action: Necos stands corrected [16:51] then again, if a is related to b and b to c, then a is to c to some extent... [16:52] Action: nullboy dies [16:52] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] slowly [16:52] Action: Necos is already dead X_X [16:52] i need food... [16:53] don't get hypoglycemic. you could pass out and crack your skull and die [16:53] and there would be lots of rejoicing around the office... [16:54] until they realize i do all the work they don't know how to do... [16:54] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Nick change: DontUseRootJeJe -> ReinaDelPlata [16:55] f ing mono... takes forever to compileeeeeeeee [16:55] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] that's why you should use C [16:56] haha [16:56] i don't even need it... why am I compiling de SBo mono ? [16:57] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:57] is there a way to compile C# in gcc to native code ? [16:57] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [16:57] that's what mono is? >.> [16:57] no, it compiles to CLI common language [16:57] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.109.138) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:57] it's like java... is compiles in bytecode [16:57] executed by a vm [16:58] better than interpreted.. but worst than native code [16:58] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:59] i don't deal with mono/C#, so i'm the last person to ask :) [17:00] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] do wifi enabled cellphones generally come with cifs clients? [17:01] ReinaDelPlata: nope, if you need C#, mono is the way to go [17:01] Bagualas (n=pedro@189.7.111.24) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [17:01] bono (i=bono@114-45-232-25.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:02] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [17:03] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [17:05] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] anyone use wordpress? [17:05] yep [17:05] i do [17:06] what do you guys use for a calendar plugin? [17:06] I don't [17:06] i use the online one from wordpress.com :p [17:06] damn ;-; [17:06] online one? [17:06] i think that's no calendar there... [17:07] Necos: yes, you know, you sign in on wordpress.com and make your blog there :p [17:07] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:08] i'm too lazy to get the code and set up apache for that :p [17:08] I have an account on there.. but only so I can use the wordpress.com stats plugin on slackadelic.com hehe [17:08] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:10] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [17:10] mode_x12 (n=augusto@189-041-48-135.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:12] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [17:13] my wordpress acct is on lunarpages >.<; [17:14] pwnpress [17:15] Lord_Khelben (n=null@188.4.250.105) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:15] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [17:15] looking for a calendar that doesn't require me to setup a 3rd party calendar (something that can be edited directly in WP) [17:16] but it doesn't see anything that doesn't require google calendars [17:16] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:17] Dominian: nice wallpapers you have there... i'm stealing them :p huuuaaaa hahaha [17:18] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-76-201.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] anyone know if there is a Joomla slackbuild in the works? [17:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] nullboy: I doubt it [17:18] P4C0: wallpapers? 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[17:30] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-95-10-66.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [17:30] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:31] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:31] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:31] gsdfgsdfgghn (n=chatzill@d-74-214-36-151.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] gsdfgsdfgghn (n=chatzill@d-74-214-36-151.cpe.metrocast.net) left ##slackware. [17:40] hey Dominian, you about ? [17:40] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:42] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.173.43.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] is there a way to dd 1 drive to 2 drives at the same time? [17:43] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] run dd twice? [17:45] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-4d116fb5308f4f6d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] lol [17:48] the first thing that came to mind was "use the of= option twice" [17:48] which will definitely not work [17:49] nope I tried [17:49] it just writes to thje 2nd of [17:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.191) left irc: [17:50] that's why i said it wouldn't work ;) [17:50] I knew that before you said it :) [17:51] lol [17:51] just telling you if you didn't try it [17:51] I am jus trying to think of an easy way to dd a raid-1 [17:51] Rimu (n=Julien@66.Red-79-154-10.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] to 2 new disks [17:52] or a different way rather than how I have tried it [17:52] setup the raid-1 with the new disks, then do 1 dd =p [17:52] tarball it all up, make your new raid and then unpack your data [17:53] or you could use a combo of FOG / gparted [17:54] Necos, that is the way I have did it [17:55] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-013-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] it's raid 1 [17:56] you don't need to dd both disks [17:56] Hodapp (n=angel@cpe-65-185-153-140.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [17:56] when I did a standard dd of raid-1 to another raid-1 it took about 20hrs for 500g [17:56] just trying to see if there is a faster way [17:57] DD is stupid if you're trying to copy 500gigs >.> [17:57] ask jeeves [17:57] why not use something like Ghost or FOG? [17:57] juice: hmm there's a dd that has progress bar and can do resumes... wait let me google it [17:57] dcfldd [17:57] :) [17:57] juice: why can't you just copy from the old array to the new array? [17:58] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn-222.95-102-55.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:58] just build a new PC & mirror [17:59] juice: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html [17:59] you don't need a new PC to do this [17:59] and you don't need dd [17:59] I might be able too? explain :P I working with areca cards and swapping out one brand of drives for another brand and thought it silly to pull one drive let it rebuild to it then pull the other and wait for it to rebuild to it [17:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:59] are these areca cards hardware raid or are you using linux raid? [18:00] noobish (i=noobish@12.170.31.226) joined ##slackware. [18:00] hardware [18:00] ok that changes it [18:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:01] do you have the ability to plug in two cards into one system so you can have two arrays setup on the same system? [18:01] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] even if it is just a temp setup [18:01] Sure [18:01] nullboy is our resident HDD expert [18:01] it's a 2U box [18:01] juice: just setup both arrays on one system and use cp [18:01] it will be faster than dd [18:01] okay [18:02] i also looked into rsync [18:02] well rsync would be good if you already had done this once before ;) [18:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-95-99.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] but for just a one time copy, just use cp [18:02] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] okay [18:03] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:04] juice: these aren't bootable arrays right? [18:04] yes they are :P [18:04] which why I don't see this working :P [18:04] cp won't get the boot sector [18:04] yeah [18:05] juice: i understand that now but we sort of had ot pull this info from you like ripping teeth out.... [18:05] can you boot a raid like that with the install CD> [18:05] ? [18:05] you just have to run lilo again after the cp [18:05] mount proc and sys for the new raid [18:05] i just did it [18:05] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-95-99.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:05] and run lilo with the correct partition info [18:06] noobish: this is a hardware raid setup [18:06] it's not a linux raid [18:06] he, I CtrlAltBS again ; I should really set DontZap/NoZap [18:06] rgr [18:07] and at that it's a windows system on the disk, I am just using a linux enviroment for copying [18:07] juice: seriously man, why didn't you tell us all of this initially? [18:07] these are all key points [18:07] then dd the boot sector [18:07] because he's being a dingdong? [18:07] ... [18:08] i'll stay out of it though :) [18:08] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [18:08] because it doesn't matter what is on the disk [18:08] disks [18:08] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [18:09] yes it does because the tools to work with it change [18:09] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:10] So my lilo.conf has /dev/md0 specified for the root (bootable raid1). On startup, root is monuted read-only. It fails at the fsck because /dev/md0 doesn't exist. I am about to add mdadm -As to the rc.S file right before the fsck. But why isn't rc.S handling this natively? [18:10] if it was just an array containing data you could just use cp and work at the filesystem level which means you don't need to worry about using dd and wasting time while you copy empty space. [18:14] well, that's why i said use FOG >.> [18:14] okay I look at it [18:15] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:15] as i understand it, FOG only works with single partitions [18:15] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] As of version 0.14, now FOG can support multiple NTFS partitions [18:19] / [18:19] but does it do trick to the images like ghost? dd will get you forensic quality images [18:20] I'll prolly just stick to dd or dcfldd [18:20] well, i've never tried it (we use ghost here), but my guess is that it does the same [18:20] if it's only meant for deployment that's fine though [18:20] frullet (i=hooch@gateway/tor/x-11ea84486bd4ee80) left irc: "leaving" [18:20] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] yeah, we only use for deployment [18:21] at one place i worked, when ever a person would leave we would dd their turned in laptop drives to images before we wiped them...just incase [18:21] in case [18:21] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:21] just in case they tried somethin fishy, eh? [18:22] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:23] shred is nnice, but man does it take forever [18:23] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:23] evening good folks :-) [18:24] hey macavity [18:24] Necos: yep, or in case we later found out that they had already done something against the company [18:24] we could review the laptops [18:24] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:24] that's smart [18:25] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] yeah, i did that with some students' usb sticks to see if they were doing anything fishy [18:26] additional details about my problem: the raid is broken after startup because rc.S seems to be mounting one of the device partitions instead of the md device, even though fstab specifies the md device for / [18:26] dd'ing 4gig drives was incredibly slow, however... [18:26] noobish: are you using an initrd? [18:26] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] yes [18:26] with the generic kernel [18:27] with mkinitrd options per the docs? [18:27] so it has raid support [18:27] the device nodes exist [18:27] actually [18:27] the modules i loaded were: aic7xxx:mbcache:jbd:ext3:mptscsih:mptspi:mptctl [18:27] so i don't see anything about raid there [18:28] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [18:29] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) left irc: "[BX] Went through the desert on a BitchX with no name." [18:30] noobish: i'm not sure if this would help but there is a -R option for mkinitrd [18:30] check out the man page for it though, it might not apply here [18:31] what does your fstab look like too? [18:31] ah yeah that should do it [18:31] fstab specifies the md0 device for the root [18:31] Nick change: hd -> HellDragon [18:31] not the partition [18:31] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [18:31] k [18:32] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:32] there's both -r and -R... cool stuff [18:32] yeah i used -r [18:32] yeah, but -R is for raid [18:32] i use -r and -C for my LUKS root [18:33] ah, i used the device partition for -r [18:33] you think -r /dev/md0 would work? [18:33] so long as lilo created md0 [18:34] yes that should do it [18:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] pme118 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:36] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [18:37] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [18:37] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-60-204.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:54] if you have a .bash_profile you might want to make one and add this line to it: [18:54] [[ -r ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc [18:55] ok dive [18:55] er make one if you haven't I meant [18:55] Hello. I was wondering if someone can tell me where to find freeglut and/or glut packages for Slackware. I'm a new OpenGL developer and can't fine either at packages.slackware.it or Slackbuilds.org. [18:55] mesa? [18:55] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left ##slackware. [18:56] Since the most recent releases are from 1998 and 2005, as far as I can tell, I was also wondering why there is no premade package. [18:56] Necos. They don't seem to be included in mesa. [18:56] I have mesa installed but my code can't find the header files. [18:56] Also pkgtool doesn't list either. [18:57] what's the error? [18:58] When I try to compile with gcc or g++ it calls all of the GL function names undefined. [18:58] curious_George_0: I have /usr/include/GL/glut.h [18:58] and what are you compiling with? the command-line options [18:59] gcc -I /usr/include (and such) [18:59] checking /usr/include. brb. :) [19:00] curious_George_0: try: pkg-config glut --cflags --libs [19:00] and are you #include and such? [19:00] yes [19:00] curious_George_0: or pkg-config glut --modversion [19:00] I have 3.7.1 [19:00] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420067.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [19:01] same here [19:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) joined ##slackware. [19:02] /var/log/packages/mesa-7.0.3-i486-1:usr/include/GL/glut.h [19:03] curious_George_0: if pk-config glut --modversion outputs something for you, then you may need to add pkg-config glut --cflags output to your compiler flags, and pkg-config glut --libs to your linker [19:03] It returns the terminal to me but doesn't display any information. [19:03] pkg-config glut--modversion [19:04] add a space [19:04] curious_George_0: there's a space between glut and -- [19:04] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:04] Taking another shot. [19:04] One moment [19:06] Still nothing. If you're on Slackware, what is the name of the package I should see if this is all available? Is it part of mesa? [19:06] /var/log/packages/mesa-7.0.3-i486-1:usr/include/GL/glut.h [19:06] ^^^ [19:06] mesa-7.0.3 [19:06] yes. Installed. [19:08] curious_George_0: mind posting your code to a pastebin (pastebin.ca or otherwise) [19:08] I must be screwing something up. The GLGears demo works so, unless it uses glX, glut and/or freeglut must be here somewhere. [19:08] It's example code cut and pasted from the online Red Book. [19:08] Linky [19:09] tntslack (n=asdasd@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] http://www.glprogramming.com/red/chapter01.html [19:09] example 1.2 near the bottom of the page. [19:09] TheBig (n=TheBig@151.16.180.131) joined ##slackware. [19:10] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] curious_George_0: what does pkg-config glut --modversion says? [19:10] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [19:10] 3.7.1 [19:11] curious_George_0: I'll try to compile the example [19:11] Thanks [19:12] As posted earlier by dive glut.h is in /usr/include/GL [19:13] door. brb [19:14] curious_George_0: compiled for me... [19:14] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.13) left irc: Connection timed out [19:14] does anyone know if giFTcurs is anywhere in slackdom? I can't find it, about to go get source but thought I'd ask [19:15] gcc -o opengl opengl.c -lGL -lglut -lGLU <--- works [19:15] curious_George_0: gcc -Wall example.c -o example `pkg-config glut --cflags --libs` [19:15] you don't know how to compile anything [19:15] I'm here. [19:16] it's not defined because it's not linked to the libraries [19:16] :) [19:16] lol [19:16] keystroke error. Sorry to have wasted so much time. [19:16] yeah. lol [19:16] curious_George_0: gcc -Wall example.c -o example -lglut <-- works also [19:16] Action: Necos stabs curious_George_0 [19:16] kept going using the arrow keys to reenter the command and missed the problem. [19:16] usually in opengl programming, you'll need all 3 [19:16] Should have retyped it. lol [19:17] Action: Necos stabs curious_George_0 again [19:17] Sorry. Huge waste of everyone's time. :'> [19:17] yup, or better yet, the full output of pkg-config ;) [19:17] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:17] Tail between my legs, I'll see you guys later. lol [19:18] Thanks again. bye. [19:18] Necos 'looks down upon thee with furious anger', as Sammy puts it [19:18] lol [19:18] yawn [19:18] ... [19:18] i get it all the time around here, so i have to have someone to vent on every so often :) [19:19] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] curious_George_0 (i=1000@207.144.234.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:20] lol [19:21] noobish (i=noobish@12.170.31.226) left irc: [19:24] TheBig (n=TheBig@151.16.180.131) left irc: "Leaving" [19:25] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) joined ##slackware. [19:27] anywho, i'm off the clock... laters folks :) [19:27] bb [19:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:31] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:35] Necos' vents smell like sweaty armpits ;p [19:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat076.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] nix_chix (i=misspwn@75-104-25-111.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] nix_chix0r (i=misspwn@75-104-25-111.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:38] guys, give me a clue, please. there is command which outputs count of similar lines. i have something like this: aaa \n aaa \n bbb and this command will output 2 aaa \n 1 bbb [19:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[19:49] cpufreq-info says there's no or unknown cpufreq driver active on this CPU, how do i enable the driver for the CPU? the laptop has been quite hot [19:49] Guest20448 (n=sidmario@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:50] edman007|work (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "Home" [19:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [19:52] IntangibleLiquid, modprobe acpi_cpufreq; /bin/echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [19:53] nn [19:54] dive, i'm on kernel 2.6.29.1, and it says acpi_cpufreq not found :| [19:54] vatgas (n=val@123.145.44.118) joined ##slackware. [19:54] did you compile it as a module? [19:55] I'm not familiar with 2.6.29.x [19:55] dive, no i didn't. let me check [19:55] perhaps something changed.. [19:56] dive, i used the same config from the default 2.26.28, so it should be there actually. weird [19:57] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] did you run 'make oldconfig'? [19:58] before make menuconfig [19:59] dive no, i didnt. I was trying to drop a few unnecessary drivers. [20:00] did i hear a "oops"? [20:01] Pig_Pen, :D [20:03] dive, haha, got it man. I forgot to compile the ACPI Processor P-states driver (X86_acpi_cpufreq), is it the cause? [20:04] otherwise known as cp [20:04] oops [20:04] acpi_cpufreq [20:04] if you copy over the old .config you should *always* run make oldconfig before you do anything else [20:04] stupid enter and backspace keys too close [20:05] macavity, thanks. Have NEVER done that before. lolz [20:06] IntangibleLiquid: just press and hold Enter when it starts asking quesions... then use menuconfig to make sense of it all afterwards :P [20:07] dive, macavity recompiling [20:07] Action: macavity wanders off to read slashdot [20:08] macavity, make oldconfig...didn't ask any question! it just ran for 5 seconds [20:09] now run menuconfig and make sure all your little penguins are in a row :D [20:12] Pig_Pen, should I put userspace or one of the four options (ondemand-consecutive-etc) as default cpufreq ? [20:13] better find a more qualified source for advice on that topic [20:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:14] i dont use that feature so it is not my forte [20:15] there might be a guru higher up the mountain ;p [20:15] anyone have any advice on where I should start reading to figure out how to make bluetooth work (reliably)? [20:16] all i had to do for my mouse was make sure rc.bluetooth ran and the bluetooth modules were loaded. then i manually associated my mouse once and after that it connects on its own [20:17] there's an issue with dbus and bluetooth in slack... need to allow dbus access to it [20:18] nullboy: I'm trying to get a bluetooth headset to work with my R60. I tried a couple of guides I found with google and they didn't work. Then I got it to work for almost a day using Windows inside VBox. [20:18] omfg.. craigslist is amazing [20:18] how could i have missed that for so many years? [20:18] i blame *you* guys for not telling me! :P [20:18] about hibernation, why on earth would the computer start "as usual" after it hibernated? do u have the same experience? [20:19] Then Windows stopped working w/ the headset, but it worked natively in Slackware for about 3 minutes, and I haven't gotten it to work again (in either) since [20:19] macavity, haha [20:20] macavity: i talk about CL in here all the time [20:20] phrag: I modified the /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf as advised on LQ.org [20:20] nullboy: you apparently didnt cut it out in large freindly card board letters, now did you? ;-) [20:20] guess not, next time i'll use smoke too [20:21] isn't CL just an e-brothel ? [20:21] just set me up the short bus and tell the driver to go to the right destination [20:21] phrag: that's part of it but there are lots of other sections [20:21] sitwon: i'm not sure mate, i've never had bluetooth audio working in linux, but then again never really tried [20:21] pretty much anything for sale, houses, rentals, jobs [20:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@host164-156-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] Action: sitwon is guessing Pat doesn't like bluetooth. [20:22] the "community" section for Copenhagen is pretty good too [20:22] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@host104-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:23] ever been to phrags list? [20:24] lol [20:24] there's a coffee mug, a chewed biro and a grubby looking tux for sale... [20:24] gogogo! [20:24] actually, the tux isn't for sale! [20:24] ... except for all the crap that is in New York [20:25] why the hell do they post that on the Copenhagen craigslist?!? [20:25] it's spam [20:26] AP switch br [20:26] b [20:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [20:27] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "leaving" [20:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Is there any way to use multiple monitors without running X? [20:29] Like, a different framebuffer on each monitor, or something? [20:30] maybe? [20:31] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: "~" [20:32] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] grazymax (n=grazymax@host104-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[21:13] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:13] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:14] tr_ (n=tr@68-189-223-157.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:14] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) joined ##slackware. [21:15] My 12.2 system mounts memory sticks ro What should I change to get them to mount rw? [21:16] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:20] someone in here a few days ago already answered you :P [21:20] Using KDE [21:21] antler: Guess I missed it. [21:21] could someone say again plese? [21:21] how could you miss it, if you're the one who asked? [21:21] first you asked what to do so that your usb device gets mounted read only, then you asked about rw [21:21] I apparently did not understand the answer [21:22] i even remember that you're running kde [21:22] did you "miss it", or "not understand it"? Which is it? [21:23] tr_: is your user a member of the plugdev group? [21:23] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.207.80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] jgor: Yes [21:24] he should be, since he was given the command to add himself to that group [21:25] jgor: since adding yourself to the plugdev group, have you logged out and in ? [21:25] s/jgor/tr_ [21:25] sorry :) [21:26] he has and came back saying "everything works!" :P [21:26] k, enough out of me :D [21:26] thrice`: Yes, have new session since adding myself to plugdev, (in other words that is not the isue). [21:27] tr_: man fstab, man mount [21:27] It appears that antler is more into brow-beating than Slackware / Linux :) [21:28] tr_: have you read the man pages I just referenced? [21:28] which type of filesystem is on the usb stick ? [21:28] /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/disk type vfat (ro,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=101,utf8,shortname=lower) [21:29] lol [21:29] tr_: what do you think that "ro" there in that line means? [21:29] danc3: I think it means ro rather than rw. What do YOU think it means? [21:30] it means read-only [21:30] tr_: yeah, well isn't your question "Why is the fucking thing mounted RO"? Are you seeing a pattern here? [21:30] tr_: control yourself [21:30] :D [21:30] QB1 (n=danielqb@200.118.167.17) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Ok we have established that ro=read only rw=read-write [21:31] tr_: you're the one asking questions. [21:32] Can we move on? [21:32] tr_: are you retarded, or drunk? [21:32] tr_: so what do you think the next step is? [21:32] danc3: No, are you? [21:32] danc3: no need to throw insults [21:33] tr_: you can't figure out what you should change to fix this problem? [21:33] tr_: why do you even have an fstab value ? [21:33] thumbs: That is what I am asking... What is the next step. [21:33] ? [21:33] tr_: change ro to rw, and quit being cocky / retarded [21:33] that fstab line sure doesn't look like anything I've ever seen on a Slackware (12.2) system. Are you sure you're running Slackware....? [21:34] danc3: I have not shown you a fstab line. [21:34] yes, you did [21:34] OK, I'm done with this guy. [21:34] thrice`: Oh really? [21:35] danc3: I will paste my fstab file [21:35] tr_: can you run "cat /etc/*-version" ? [21:35] tr_: not interested. bugger off. [21:35] http://pastebin.ca/1384340 [21:36] danc3: That is fine with me. [21:36] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [21:36] danc3: Your choice [21:37] tr_: what does 'ls /var/log/packages/hal*' say ? [21:37] /var/log/packages/hal-0.5.11-i486-3 /var/log/packages/hal-info-20081127-noarch-1 [21:38] its just a standard vfat stick ? [21:38] thrice`: Yes. I've mounted about 3 different ones and just noticed the other day, they always get mounted ro [21:39] are you on the stock kernel ? [21:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [21:40] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-67-224.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:41] 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 (Yes, stock kernel) [21:42] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-167-239.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:42] danc3 (n=danc3@12.145.117.2) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [21:44] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:46] thrice`: I'm running Slackware 12.2 [21:47] thrice`: And I now see that you were here when I told you that the first time. [21:47] what does "ls -dl /media/disk" say ? [21:48] sorry, I'll be sure to check my notes last time (sarcasm) [21:48] drwxr-xr-x 7 tr root 32768 1969-12-31 18:00 /media/disk/ [21:50] 1969 ? [21:50] thrice`: Well, you must admit that I have been on the receiving end of quite a bit of brow-beating here. It's pretty funny I suppose, but when one is on the receiving end, it's a bit hard to see the humor.... [21:50] tr_: i'm sure there's a more elegant way to fix it for all devices using hal or some udev rule, but as a quick fix you could just add a line to /etc/fstab for that device, adding either "rw" or "user" to the options column. in my experience kde honors fstab rules first [21:51] Yea, that is interesting... 1969 [21:51] when I put a usb-stick in, "/media/disk" gets owned by root:root, too [21:52] thrice`: That is interesting too [21:52] are you sure the usb-key isn't something abnormal? /dev/mmcblk0p1 seems extremely strange [21:52] i've seen that before, i think on an sd card [21:53] thrice`: Seems strange to me too. [21:53] it was either that or internal flash on an embedded device [21:53] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] Oh... that one is a pcmcia device. Maybe it is causing the problem. The other device is a built in card reader. It is a gateway laptop. [21:54] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:55] But not likely, because the 4 gig card that is mounted is in the built in card reader. [21:55] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-72.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Which is probably the, "CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev a9)" [21:56] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.18.192) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Maybe it's just something strange about it. [21:56] BUT, I also put a usb stick in and had same issue. [21:57] Let me double check. [21:57] sounds good :) [21:58] Oh, wait, I was wrong. Just put my thumb drive in and it's getting mounted rw [21:58] /dev/sda1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uhelper=hal,flush,uid=1001,utf8,shortname=lower) [21:59] kinda thought it would. [21:59] So, I guess it's just something to do with that built in card reader... [21:59] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:59] yep; sorry, never dealt with one [22:00] Ok... Well, I've just never had a problem with a built in card reader, they always just worked as expected. [22:01] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [22:01] I just loaded up a desktop with Slack 12.2 that had an 8n1 card reader and they all worked just fine, rw ... [22:01] Well, I wonder what is different about this one. [22:01] I can't seem to force it to remount rw and I should have known that was not right. [22:02] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:02] I did mount remount rw and it gave me error: " special device remount does not exist " or something... [22:02] ip-route (n=mantened@200.172.83.136) joined ##slackware. [22:02] hi [22:03] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] tr_: what was the exact syntax of mount you tried? [22:03] i'm rebuild kernel 2.6.27 on slk 12.2 [22:03] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:03] RaNdY (i=randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:03] RaNdY (i=randy@i.hate.your.vhosts.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:03] on boot an msg : ... mount vfs sync ... kernel panic [22:03] how solve this ? [22:04] You didn't build support for your filesystem into the kernel [22:04] mount remount -rw /dev/mmcblk0p1 [22:04] and if you wiped out your old kernel instead of leaving it in as a backup to boot off of.. you're going to have to use the installation cd as a rescue cd and chroot into your installation to rebuild the kernel [22:05] tr_: try: mount -o remount,rw /dev/mmcblk0p1 [22:05] Oh yea... ok. will try that next tim. [22:05] But gotta go now [22:05] THanks all c u l [22:05] tr_ (n=tr@68-189-223-157.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:05] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [22:05] bah too much aol [22:05] either that or he's a young kid [22:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:06] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Is there a generic channel full of geniuses where you can ask questions that you can't find a specific channel for? [22:07] Dominian: what can't be both :) [22:07] probably not [22:07] kitche: aye [22:07] hiptobecubic, no [22:07] Dominian i'm compile with support reiserfs... [22:07] for example, When talking about atmospheric circulation, why do the tradewinds at latitudes 30-60 blow from west to east? [22:07] ip-route: and you made sure to re-run lilo after adding the kernel to lilo.conf? [22:07] <3 grub [22:08] hiptobecubic: ask that in google [22:08] hiptobecubic: I bet that would return a lot of answers [22:08] Dominian, none that i've understood so far. [22:08] freenode is probably not the best place to start your search for such information [22:08] Dominian yeap [22:08] ip-route: then you missed something else [22:08] QB1 (n=danielqb@200.118.167.17) left ##slackware. [22:08] ip-route: Did you build your own kernel? [22:08] ip-route: or are you using the generic kernel in slackware? [22:09] If you're using the generic kernel, you have to create an initrd [22:09] Dominian yeap, i using the generic kernel [22:09] then I'd say you didn't create an initrd [22:09] with mkinitrd ? [22:09] i run this... [22:10] If you can get into your instal you can read /boot/README.initrd [22:10] mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.27 -m reiserfs [22:10] yeah that should more than likely do it [22:10] then you have to make sure that lilo.conf knows about it and run lilo to reinstall the boot loader [22:11] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.58.19) joined ##slackware. [22:11] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [22:12] I hope i'm as good at webdesign as the creators of this someday. http://www.newmediastudio.org/DataDiscovery/Hurr_ED_Center/Easterly_Waves/Trade_Winds/Trade_Winds.html [22:13] macavity, dive yes! I managed to get acpi_cpufreq back and now the cpus are running on an on-demand basis. thanks guys! [22:14] btw, if u modprobe a module, do u have to add it to modprobe.conf so next time it will be probed again? [22:15] IntangibleLiquid, if you want it to be probed every boot, you will need to add it to something [22:15] i don't remember if it's rc.modules or modprobe something or ther [22:15] wow took debian long enough to finally support two kernels [22:15] two kernels? [22:16] FreeBSD kernel and linux [22:16] IntangibleLiquid, /etc/rc.d/rc.modules or something similar [22:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left ##slackware ("If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit."). [22:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:17] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "durmir!" [22:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.153.131) joined ##slackware. [22:18] You guys are all smart, witty ladies and gentlemen. What do you think of this: Winds traveling north and south along the surface of the earth follow a slightly curved path due to the rotation of the earth. That is to say, that the earth rotates and slides under the air. [22:19] hiptobecubic, rc.local :D [22:19] http://www.newmediastudio.org/DataDiscovery/Hurr_ED_Center/Easterly_Waves/Trade_Winds/Trade_Winds_fig03.jpg That is supposed to be depicted in this image. My question is why do the Easterlies and Westerlies (which are both from this rotational effect) go in different directions? [22:19] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] IntangibleLiquid, any of those scripts which are run at boot will work. rc.local works fine :) [22:20] I think i stuck mine in rc.modules for some reason [22:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:28] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.58.19) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR [22:30] GTSYGHJBAJHBSJHSBJHDB [22:30] RSRRSRRSRSRRRSRSRRSRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR [22:30] OI [22:31] hairlip [22:31] OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [22:31] TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT [22:31] YUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY [22:31] what are you 12?! [22:31] homecable (i=open@206.225.143.78) joined ##slackware. [22:31] whats this crap [22:31] wasn't he banned I thought? [22:32] who is it? [22:32] is slackware easy to update ? [22:32] from like 11 to 12 [22:33] homecable: it's doable :) "easy" depends on whow well you read, and follow the instructions :) [22:33] ah [22:33] i have 2 freebsd servers [22:33] and was thinking about installing slackware on one of my new servers [22:33] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*=mantened@200.172.83.*' by Stx!i=stx@freenode/staff/stx [22:33] ip-route kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [22:33] heh [22:33] Everyone forgets about Stx [22:34] only thing you gotta watch out for is make sure your .conf files in /etc are set up right after the upgrade [22:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:34] Never says anything, but then WHAM.. you're suddenly banned heh [22:34] omgwtfgtfobbq [22:34] lol [22:34] Dominian :P [22:34] Stx: heh [22:34] Stx: its true! [22:34] Stx: you *hardly* say anything.. and when ya do.. its a ban :D [22:34] Dominian: It is ;-) [22:35] slackware 32bit or 64bit [22:35] Yeah :( forgive me! [22:35] hehe [22:35] some dude in a bar propositioned me about IT security [22:35] i have a dual operon 246 2ghz box [22:35] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] nullboy: er.. what? [22:35] in a sort of freaky [22:35] the guy was asking for help in a decent manner, then came back with the crap he did, what the hell? [22:35] nullboy: propositioned you..>? [22:35] 4 gigs of ram [22:35] like it was a directed attack [22:35] i think i'm being followed [22:35] nullboy: You lost me.. explain [22:35] whoops forgot to get out of my vm before I did a ctlaltdelete [22:36] ##slackware: mode change '+b ip-route*!*@*' by Stx!i=stx@freenode/staff/stx [22:36] nullboy: what exactly happened? [22:36] out of no where this guy asks what i do and i tell him i work with computer and networks and he start going on about security [22:36] The only thing I can think of ip-route has a cat [22:36] it was really weird [22:37] was he drunk? [22:37] I mean.. you were in a bar... [22:37] he was drunk yeah [22:37] i was only 2 deep [22:37] Dominian: now thats a possibility. haha [22:37] but he knew keywords [22:37] nullboy: I'd say the guy was just shootin' off at the mouth [22:37] nullboy: maybe you misunderstood his use of the word "penetration"? [22:37] hahahaha [22:37] lol [22:37] he knew some stuff though. not super techy but he had some lingo down [22:37] nullboy: Maybe he was a gay IT Consultant.. looking to "lay" some cable in your "track" [22:37] it freaked me out [22:37] :P [22:37] did he want you to probe his open port? [22:37] lol [22:38] haha [22:38] thanks guys [22:38] oh my god.. look where this going.. [22:38] this is my butt /*\ [22:38] "Hey uhh.. how much RAM you got in there...?" [22:38] "need some more?" [22:38] exit only [22:38] i'm showing you all my butt now /*\ [22:38] nullboy: geeze.. do you ever wipe? [22:38] lol [22:38] ... [22:39] it was just weird. i've never had a single person do that and hit the topic [22:39] like it was a directed attacked [22:39] recon i tell you. [22:39] you're being socially engineered? [22:39] i think so [22:39] he's definitely being "engineered" [22:40] nullboy: his cycle must work on a token ring.. You just happen to be the "token" he's looking for [22:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] dang [22:40] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] he didn't pwn me though [22:40] i knew [22:40] whatever you do, don't get on the floor on hands & knees looking for the dropped token [22:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.18.192) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:43] actually once I had a guy approach me in a computer store, going "pssst! Hey, are you a hacker?" [22:43] it was so weird that i took a different route home [22:43] (had on black trenchcoat and t-shirt reading "got root?") [22:43] Nick change: UdontKnow -> \0 [22:43] like i'm being red teamed [22:43] This is the nerdiest discussion about gays that I have ever seen. [22:44] he wanted me to try to "hack into his network" but I quoted him $100/hr (didn't want to deal with him) [22:44] more like brown teamed [22:44] lolz [22:44] chopp: you just made milk come out of my nose! [22:44] (and I ain't drinking milk, wtf?) [22:44] weeeeee [22:44] lol [22:44] :D it's not often someone makes a real joke. i'm satisfied [22:45] srsly guys. [22:45] u guys. srsly [22:45] Nick change: \0 -> UdontKnow [22:46] the part that really got me worried was when he mentioned LSD [22:46] nullboy: you think it's who, FBI, NSA, KGB, Torchwood Institute? [22:46] Urchlay: no man [22:46] none of those [22:46] i real attacker [22:46] a* [22:46] (at least one of those doesn't exist, but I can't remember which) [22:46] Urchlay: torchwood .. that'd be scary [22:46] nullboy: give him my email address [22:46] tell him to have fun [22:46] :) [22:47] Dominian: i'll just tell him to hotlink you, that should be enough to make him leave me alone [22:47] bahhhhahaha [22:47] did the guy wear a WW2-era greatcoat and introduce himself with "Well helllo!" [22:47] ? [22:47] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] hahaha [22:47] Urchlay: no that was why it was strange. he was dressed nicely but not over the top and knew just a little too much [22:47] nullboy: I found two more hotlinkers today actually [22:47] where does slackware keep it's package installation info files ? [22:47] so I can grep them [22:47] nullboy: I'm actually working towards redoing the .htaccess rules to force all hotlinkers to see that image [22:48] knew a little too much about your personal/business stuff, you mean? [22:48] nullboy: surely he wasn't so big that a "beat it, or you get beat" won't work. [22:48] Soul_keeper: /var/log/scripts usually [22:48] is /var/log/packages supposed to be empty ? [22:48] Soul_keeper: You mean the scripts themsevles or the logs of them or what? [22:48] Dominian: yeah man that's what you should do [22:48] i'd do that too [22:48] Soul_keeper: ls /var/log/packages should have something in it [22:48] completely empty [22:48] empty? [22:48] Soul_keeper: that is not good [22:48] Soul_keeper: that's bad...like a log cleaner went crazy [22:49] Soul_keeper: the system won't get hurt but package management will be broken [22:49] geeze [22:49] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] all I did was remove 4 packages with pkgtool, guess it went crazy [22:50] bedtime, damn, it's 04:50 - I'm supposed to get up in 4 hours! [22:50] does /var/adm exist, and is it a symlink to /var/log? (it should be) [22:50] night guys. [22:50] Stx: night. [22:50] yes Urchlay [22:50] Soul_keeper: did you rm those to save space, by any chance? [22:50] no [22:51] Stx: gnight. [22:51] the only way to fix that is to either restore a backup or reinstall every package in the system [22:51] upgradepkg --reinstall [22:51] what about /var/log/removed_packages ? [22:51] Action: Stx waves [22:52] Urchlay that exists [22:52] FYI, hotlink catchall created :) [22:52] does it have stuff in it? [22:52] and tested.. and working [22:52] it contains the 4 packages I removed, as well as 20 or so others i've removed over time, but it don't contain every package I had on my system, So i know it didn't go THAT crazy [22:53] ok, that's something at least [22:53] scripts is populated too [22:53] du -sh /var/log/packages/ shows 0 ? [22:53] nullboy: zomg: http://www.youtube.com/user/POOPONYOU892 [22:53] haha [22:54] Soul_keeper: did you use any thirdparty packagemanager by any chance? [22:54] whoever just hit that site.. please hit refresh.. make sure that it reloads.. [22:54] 40K /var/log/packages/ [22:54] BP{k} no [22:54] just fired up pkgtool [22:54] cause I'm getting a proper 304 redirect [22:55] you mean a 301 [22:55] 304 is partial transfer. [22:55] Well I hate packages anyways [22:55] screw um [22:55] hehheh [22:55] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-136-186.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Dominian: oh man [22:55] thumbs: it should e a partial.. I'm redirecting any image someone is hotlinking to lemonparty.jpg ;) [22:56] so gnarly [22:56] nullboy: yeah that's enough to make you sick [22:56] pkgtool is the culprit, they were there before I removed 4 packages [22:56] nullboy: one of the myspace ones.. must not have noticed.. he logged into his profile on 4/4/09 and the link is still there. [22:56] Soul_keeper: unlikely. [22:56] Soul_keeper: you screwed up, most likely. [22:56] actually you ought to be able to use installpkg to install upgrade packages, when/if you get ready to [22:56] thumbs not other options [22:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-25-111.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:57] Soul_keeper: put /root/.bash_history somewhere for perusal. [22:57] pkgtool is unlikely to do any harm, it wont use a wildcard that would allow that [22:57] did you use pktool or removepkg? [22:57] thumbs: er.. 304 Not Modified [22:58] Dominian: right, sorry. [22:58] hehe meaning.. the imag eis showing as it should.. and if it comese back as 304.. the cache updates on the local client haha [22:58] Dominian: it's still not a redirect :) [22:58] so you're missing /var/log/packages/*, but not the actual files that came from all those packages, right? (system still boots, nothing missing?) [22:58] thumbs: well it was a redirect before [22:58] Dominian: yes, I know. [22:58] thumbs: I just erdid .htaccess rules to change that ;) [22:58] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:58] I wanted their "pages" to think they were serving up the right image.. he he [22:59] geeze [22:59] I see what i did [22:59] rm grep X.h /var/log/packages/* [22:59] rworkman: I'm now serving up that lemonparty pic.. to all hotlinkers [22:59] lol [22:59] :) [22:59] Dominian: not bad. [22:59] Soul_keeper: see? :) Yuck though. [22:59] thumbs: Well, I added a message to the image... [22:59] Soul_keeper: you typed that? [22:59] rworkman .bash_history is about as worthless as they get, never has anything I do [22:59] Soul_keeper: don't feel bad. I've done similar. [23:00] Dominian: I am familiar with the method. I recommend it often in #apache [23:00] Soul_keeper: ouch! [23:00] I inadvertently removed /etc/* thank god I had a local backup [23:00] thumbs: ahh sorry [23:00] so what differentiates /var/log/scripts and packages/ contents ? [23:00] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:00] thumbs: I guess you havent' seen the pages though that are serving this "Image" of mine as a full background? [23:00] scripts/ contains, well, scripts (which get run when the packages are installed) [23:00] Soul_keeper: packages contains a list of the files in the package; scripts contains the postinstall script [23:01] Dominian: not yet. [23:01] thumbs: ehe.. don't if you have a weak stomach [23:01] were the contents of /var/log/packages .pc suffixed [23:01] ? [23:01] no [23:01] Dominian: thanks for the warning. [23:01] thumbs: I feel its my duty to warn you [23:01] ok good, I don't need them then [23:01] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] although i could've done 2girls1cup [23:01] thanks [23:01] hrm... [23:01] I've wiped entire categories at SBo that way. Omitting the ";" from this: "rm -rf $repo/$category/$app ; mv ${app}* $repo/$category " [23:01] Soul_keeper: removepkg / pkgtool will no longer be able to remove anything [23:02] Dominian: some user on my system put an image as his icon on forums. [23:02] thrice` that's ok i'll learn to live with it :) [23:02] Dominian: before I knew it, my bandwidth usage tripled. [23:02] heh [23:02] Dominian: I served that image to the forums, too. [23:02] haha [23:02] I love the reactions :) [23:03] their account was deleted. [23:03] haha [23:03] HAHA [23:03] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] One of the people that had the image.. removed it the next day.. however, I found her "cruising" my site trying to find an email address [23:03] I wiped out a directory with something like "find . -name foo\* | xargs rm -rf", forgetting that there was a directory whose name started with a space [23:04] Dominian: I use a non-routable email address on my home page, roo. [23:04] Dominian: ever hear from rockstarthug from myspace about the lemonparty? [23:04] so xargs got "./ dirname" and rm removed "./" and the nonexistent "dirname" [23:04] Dominian: they should ask permission to link to the content on my site. End of story. [23:05] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] thumbs: are they so starved for storage space that they can't just host their own copy of whatever it is? [23:05] twolf: He hasn't logged nto his accont since mid-march [23:05] hehe [23:05] thumbs: same here [23:05] Urchlay: the forum didn't allow the user to upload a picture, apparently. [23:05] thumbs: However, The more I watch the logs.. the more hotlinkers I'm seeing.. so i said to hell with it.. LEMON PARTY FOR ALL! [23:05] Urchlay: if the forum can't be bothered to host it, I can't either. [23:06] fair enough [23:06] Urchlay: -print0 and -0 are our freinds :P [23:06] What do you rodeo clowns use for pdf viewing? I've been using epdfview but it's pretty weak. It doesn't cache and they decided to break mouse scrolling when they added their (very slow) text highlighting capabilites. [23:06] capabilities* [23:06] Well, the way myspace is designed.. they have no choice but to hotlink.. but that's not my problem :) [23:06] macavity: yeah, I know that, and I keep remembering it about 10 seconds too late :( [23:06] Dominian: really, we end up footing the bill for those guys [23:06] hiptobecubic: okular in KDE4 [23:06] thumbs: aye [23:06] thumbs: which pisses me off even more [23:06] I don't have kde. [23:07] thumbs: Maybe I should invoice them for royalties they've received from using my image on their site [23:07] and would rather not load half of a DE. I'm trying to stay light [23:07] Urchlay: make it a habit... they dont hurt when they arent strictly needed [23:07] Dominian: good luck getting payment [23:07] thumbs: don't plano n receiving payment [23:07] its the whole "fun" in the email exchange [23:07] macavity: yeah I know. My fingers are damn lazy though... [23:07] Action: thrice` uses epdfview [23:07] then posting it on my blog.. and showing it to him.. and pissing him off even more :) [23:07] Urchlay: practice with ktouch ;-) [23:07] Dominian: well, I don't know about you, but I seldom have time for this kinda stuff any more. [23:08] Dominian: i like your sense of humor :P [23:08] macavity: I learned to touch-type by pulling all the keycaps off an IBM keyboard and using it that way for a month [23:08] thrice`, does mouse scrolling work for you? I know it used to work but i recently updated and now it does not. [23:08] Dominian: I prefer to focus on other, more important things. [23:08] (the type where the keycaps are separate pieces from the keys themselves I mean) [23:08] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:08] hiptobecubic: you mean, can I scroll my mouse-wheel down and have it page down? [23:08] Urchlay: so you have good habits getting the right fingers to pick the right buttons? [23:09] Urchlay: as in, you can type reasonably fast= [23:09] ? [23:09] hiptobecubic: evince could suit you, but it has some gnome dependencies [23:09] s/=/?/ [23:09] thrice`, for example. Or scroll around on a page? On my box, scrolling does nothing now. [23:09] macavity: probably not 100% perfect according to the textbook from my high school typing class, but yeah, I do type pretty fast [23:09] Urchlay: then a simple -print0 and -0 is no problem :P [23:09] gbonvehim, i used evince back when i had gnome. it was nice but i don't want to go gnome-heavy either [23:09] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:09] pireau_ (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [23:10] hiptobecubic: odd; I've read some had issues and needed to use -O0 [23:10] for the CFLAG optimizations [23:10] -O0 ? [23:10] macavity: I've also ended up scratching my head & cussing when using -print0 in the find command, but forgetting the -0 in xargs... [23:10] hiptobecubic: no opts at all [23:10] thrice`, i'm not sure i have any idea what you are takling about [23:10] talking* [23:11] heh, compiler flags [23:11] Urchlay: again, enforcing good habits pay off :P [23:11] *pays [23:11] thrice`, are you talking about rebuilding epdfview? [23:11] hiptobecubic: in the slackbuild, where it declares "SLKCFLAGS="-O2 .." [23:11] hiptobecubic: yes [23:11] thrice`, ok. what does that flag do? [23:12] did anyone ever get "foxit reader" to work? (if that's the right name for it) [23:12] I cetainly didn't [23:12] certainly*.... my typing is atrocious tonight. [23:12] hiptobecubic: it removes optimizations. some reported that was necessary for mouse-scroll to work [23:12] ok i'll try it. thank you [23:12] I got it to load up, but it just gave me a small all-white window for every PDF I tried it with [23:12] kpdf ftw [23:13] Action: Urchlay still uses xpdf [23:13] lol i like xpdf [23:13] hiptobecubic: please let me know your results [23:13] kpdf is good but i try to avoid using kde apps lol [23:13] me too, i just need to read, nothing else :) [23:13] LinuxyErin: come to the dark side... we have cookies! [23:13] don't have a scroll wheel anyway, I use pageup/down and/or the space bar to page thru the document [23:13] lol [23:13] xpdf is hideous and has not features whatsoever [23:13] i used to be a kde user way back when [23:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [23:14] it has one important feature, it reads pdf files, other are extra [23:14] compiling [23:14] ive used kde since 1.1.2 [23:14] vinegaroon (n=sam@119.224.26.179) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:14] i used it since the 2.x days then 3.x [23:14] don't like 4.x [23:14] hiptobecubic: I can copy text and search for strings... and crank up the zoom level... what else do I need a pdf reader to do? [23:14] kind of went away during the 3.x days to xfce [23:14] i have yet to try 4.x [23:14] now i'm a fluxbox user talking to you via irssi :-p [23:15] people say it is just a little getting used to, then 4.x really starts showing inovative powers [23:15] i use irssi too [23:15] Urchlay, how do you copy text? [23:15] yakuake + irssi is damn handy :P [23:15] hiptobecubic: highlight with mouse... [23:15] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-ddf59b52299362b1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:15] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] davimint (n=david@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:15] gotta change the mode (IIRC the default is to scroll when click-dragging) [23:16] i like mrxvt now that i've discovered it [23:17] nawp, it defaults to copying with the mouse. However I will admit it's weird to use, cause it wants to copy a rectangular region, instead of line-by-line like most apps do [23:17] thumbs: Unfortunately for me, my brain never shuts off.. so most of the time I'm multi-tasking.. alot.. so time.. I can make. [23:17] and thrice` saves the day! I was ready to throw edpf out the window. [23:17] :) [23:17] :) thank you. [23:17] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S01060050dab40c0f.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] no problem [23:18] if epdf cannot handle -O2 then the code is outright bad [23:19] macavity, good enough for me :) [23:19] yeah, not sure; it used to work fine before the last update [23:19] yeah.. the M$ mantra: if it compiles it must be all good :P [23:19] does anyone use Word 2007 with wine? For some reason, it fills the working directory with .lnk files. They can be deleted manually without issue, but it's kind of bizarre. [23:20] those are shortcuts I would assume [23:20] yea it putting .lnk files everywhere doesn't surprise me at all [23:21] why on earth would you wanna run Word 07 with wine anyway, OOo does docx [23:22] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "damn windows noobs" [23:22] good night folks.. time for me to crash [23:22] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [23:23] Because OOo does not do docx. OOo scrapes at the walls and tries to give you something useful. If you want to use the features of word (which for once, MS has done a good job with) you need word. [23:23] OOo does docx just fine [23:23] heh, one of my coworkers cannot send mail through our server because his wap is blocking port 25 outgoing [23:23] very lame [23:23] It opens them and lets you read the text and sometimes tables and images properly [23:23] i shouldn't have to reconfigure my mail server to cope with people's access points [23:24] It does not do many other things compatibly, such as the review system [23:24] pi31415: if it's his why doesn't he just fix the port forwarding? [23:24] it is not his [23:24] And bibliography management in OOo swriter is outrageous. [23:24] /rant [23:24] is he thieving wifi? [23:24] bruc3 (n=rafael@189.56.20.108) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:25] thrice`, one more question. when you highlight text in edpfview, does it stay highlighted and let you do normal copy paste? Mine just kind of flashes the highlighting and then i can middle-mouse paste somewhere if i don't highlight anything else along the way [23:26] is there a slackware philosophy? [23:26] simplicity control stability? something like that? [23:27] unix, simplicity, stability [23:27] "it's better to be feared than to be loved"? [23:27] what programming language best matches this philosophy? [23:27] lol [23:27] hiptobecubic: just the latter here [23:28] thrice`, ok. i guess i can live with that :) [23:28] hiptobecubic: yep; while it's not the best, it's an improvement I guess [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] I thought the slackware philosophy was more like: "Give Me Slack or KILL ME!", "The SubGenius Must Have Slack" and "Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke." [23:31] twelve point three four five six seven eight nine zero [23:35] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:39] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@123.122.106.87) joined ##slackware. [23:39] I wonder which packet should I install , for my missing man document of suspend. [23:40] man suspend has no result [23:40] ali0t4: there is a good chance that suspend doesn't have a manpage [23:40] it doesn't, unless I somehow also managed to delete mine [23:41] ah, it's a shell builtin. read "man bash" [23:41] why doesnt suspend have a manpage? [23:41] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] ali0t4: [04:44] ( Urchlay) ah, it's a shell builtin. read "man bash" [23:42] Action: Urchlay detects an echo echo in in here here [23:42] BP{k}: thanks:) [23:42] or "help suspend" [23:43] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] ali0t4: if ever in doubt whether a command is a shell builtin or not, you can say "type commandname" and it'll tell you [23:43] Urchlay: yes, thanks. [23:43] "Perl: The First Subgenius Programming Language " [23:43] lol [23:43] "Luke, I am your father" [23:43] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:44] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] Nick change: Sleepymess -> Emess [23:49] pi31415, you can't even get my name right [23:50] you sure you're my father? [23:50] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:50] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:52] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:54] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Nick change: acidkill_ -> acidkill [23:57] trying to come up with a list of keyboard/hacker friendly foods.... [23:57] beer is obviously number 1 [23:57] lol [23:57] poptarts rank high [23:57] cheetos rank very low [23:57] buttered popcorn? [23:57] plain corn chips [23:58] bananas [23:58] apples =) [23:58] grapes [23:58] heh [23:58] grapes are pretty damn good [23:58] Chips and salsa. [23:58] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] heh nachos alwyas get on my keyboard [23:59] grapes are safe [23:59] Not mine. I'm careful. [23:59] just not on hard floors [23:59] grapes on hard floors = cracked skull [23:59] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-133-160-28.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] No bananas then. [23:59] ! [23:59] I usually eat cadbury's chocolate mini-eggs. Although you can only get them at this time of year in the states. [23:59] Grapes and banana = good for hacker females! [23:59] haha [00:00] --- Tue Apr 7 2009