[00:01] shonudo: saw the one your watching and saw American Experience's(PBS) story on him a while back...pretty interesting stuff...remember learning he was acutely sensitive to sound and light(Tesla,that is) [00:01] yeah, he was a quirky guy it seems [00:01] a bit OCD, from this account [00:02] maybe more than a bit [00:02] a byte [00:02] lol [00:02] yes, that would be "more" [00:02] :P [00:02] (finally, the sesame street moment!) [00:03] lol [00:04] okay, that was a good bio... [00:04] and now, back to the business of slackware [00:05] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] bgdn86 (bgdn86@modemcable108.44-23-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: Quitte [00:08] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-104.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:15] The-Croupier (thecroupie@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. 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[00:26] Gah nobody knows Arabic and little people in ##Arabic today. D: [00:26] and it umm, might just be you [00:26] Nick change: lfjob -> miss_riss [00:27] andarius: could be the case..;) [00:27] possibly [00:31] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [00:31] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:33] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-141-224-87.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Excess Flood [00:33] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.140.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:33] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:34] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-141-224-87.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.140.96) joined ##slackware. [00:38] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-5-112.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:40] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:49] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:50] omegageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Quit: frobnicate foo! [00:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:53] betageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [00:55] Nick change: betageek -> omegageek [00:58] Strange, I installed kqemu but I can't seem to find kqemu. [00:58] which kqemu doesn't show up. [00:58] anyone know why ndiswrapper would cause slack 13.1 to freeze up [00:59] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-141-224-87.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Quit: IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000 [01:01] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-141-224-87.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] so i do modprobe ndiswrapper and my slack box freeze up any ideas [01:02] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I refuse to allow the system to raise my child... [01:04] gobi42: slack-box froze?! never done that to me before.... [01:04] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@97-127-208-135.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:05] wrong module being used? [01:07] i used the one off this page http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/ndiswrapper/ [01:08] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Mahbam42 (~Mahbam42@216.73.210.76) joined ##slackware. [01:08] and build it accorind to this page http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [01:08] hello? [01:08] not ndiswrapper, but the windows driver that you're telling ndiswrapper to use [01:08] and then installed the driver and the configed ndiswrapper accoring to sourceforge [01:09] oh i used a windows xp driver should i try the older one [01:10] The-Croupier (thecroupie@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:10] did you try the slackbuild for ndiswrapper from http://slackbuilds.org ? [01:10] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/ndiswrapper/ [01:11] look above [01:11] that's the one i used [01:11] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-21.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] ah - sorry, glasses and laptop tonight :) [01:11] lol it's all good [01:12] i used the winxp driver should i try like the win98 driver [01:14] miss_riss: How'd you install kqemu? [01:15] Mahbam42 (~Mahbam42@216.73.210.76) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:17] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:17] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:18] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] gobi42: does the device need to be enabled by bios? [01:22] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-21.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:22] MLanden, slackbuild. [01:23] miss_riss: any entry is /var/log/packages? [01:23] s/is/in [01:23] no it's a usb dongle [01:24] and all the drivers are the same from win98 to winxp [01:24] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:25] /var/log/packages/kqemu-1.4.0pre1-i486-1_SBo [01:25] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:25] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [01:25] Qemu works though. [01:26] gobi42: ok..did you look in syslog in /var/log as root at the time slackware froze up to see what might be the cause? [01:27] nope but i will look at tell you what is says [01:28] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:29] miss_riss: ok...is your user added to the kqemu group? [01:30] gobi42: if you have a second computer and a serial null-modem cable, you can connect them both up and have the computer put it's console output on ttyS0 as well [01:30] MLanden, I couldn't even open kqemu as root. [01:30] Says no such command. [01:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:32] i don't have that cable [01:32] http://pastebin.com/Z5PcgrXW [01:32] there is a copy of my log look towards the end and any help would be great [01:34] miss_riss: hmmm..been a while since I messed with it...should be a module that you can modprobe http://wiki.qemu.org/KQEMU [01:36] Hm I remember something about tha ttoo.. [01:37] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:37] gobi42: what's the usb dongle? [01:38] netgear MA111 [01:38] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [01:46] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:46] gobi42: any luck using the atmel drivers with linux..if it has the atmel chip? [01:49] MLanden, okay I see. [01:49] modprobe kqemu [01:49] Then qemu whatever you have I think. [01:50] miss_riss: that sounds 'bout right [01:51] Hm but then there is something about creating ram. [01:51] I dunno how to do that. [01:52] i don't know how would i find something like that out [01:53] miss_riss: check alienbob's wiki http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu that's what I used to refer to when I messed with it in 12.2 [01:54] gobi42: when you plug the dongle in...what shows up in dmesg? [01:55] i'll check any cmds after dmesg [01:57] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:59] ?, size of swap boot home & usr for a 300 drive [01:59] i have 13.0 on a 150 [02:02] is there a way to bootstrap slackware [02:03] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-75-234.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:03] m3tti, no! You ain't bootstrapping nothing! [02:04] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-141.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:05] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Quit: Saindo [02:07] ok [02:14] It wants me to reboot my computer. [02:14] I've never had a Linux app want me to reset my computer. [02:14] :| [02:15] yes there is on app XD [02:15] lilo [02:15] i've to test it everytime i've changed the config XD [02:16] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:16] lol [02:16] And kqemu. [02:16] yeah [02:16] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [02:17] it's a pitty that my cpu doesn't support the kvm thing. It should be awesome [02:17] MIne does. [02:18] it is awesomly fast isn't it [02:18] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:19] Dunno.. [02:19] I never used kvm. [02:21] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:22] kqemu, the kernel module to boost kvm ? it does not require reboot [02:22] depmod -a [02:22] and relaunch udev [02:22] How do I relaunch udev? [02:22] It says: [02:22] "If you installed my kqemu package, several files in /etc/ will be altered, so that kqemu's acceleration will be available to you after each boot of the computer." [02:22] /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart|reload [02:23] do not install this ugly package :) [02:23] which package is ? [02:23] and kqemu is deprecareted, no more maintainend [02:24] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:24] Oh.. [02:24] I can just.. use qemu alone but I'm told it's slow. [02:24] :| [02:25] What should I do then? I just want to virtualize and emulate a Slackware so I can mess with the kernel and not fear if I mess up. [02:25] gobi42 (~IceChat7@173-141-224-87.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:25] is you processor support virtualisation ? [02:25] Yes. [02:25] I have a Q6600. [02:25] http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ#How_can_I_tell_if_I_have_Intel_VT_or_AMD-V.3F [02:26] so, do not use kqemu [02:26] une kvm [02:26] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad [02:26] simply [02:26] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] miss_riss, there are several versions of qemu on slackbuilds.org [02:26] it's OK even without virtulization [02:26] if you have a supporting processor use the latest [02:26] just don't expect fast compiles or anything :) [02:27] *virtual [02:27] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.60.66) joined ##slackware. [02:27] need explain : qemu is the first tool to emulate machine, but it's slow. kqemu come to help it. [02:27] I don't even know what I want atm. [02:27] i thought kvm was the helper [02:27] bah, i forget [02:27] i think new qemu uses kvm by default if it's available [02:28] but, there is too much processor supporting virtualization, so kqemu is not need on them. last qemu or kvm are made to work with new processor [02:28] miss_riss, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/qemu-kvm/ I believe you should try this. [02:28] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:28] asteroid, kqemu is still useful for those of us with old hardware. [02:29] dive it is _not_ maintened [02:29] asteroid, I know [02:29] and _not_ compatible with latest qemu [02:29] for me, it is not to use [02:29] prefers others solution than qemu [02:29] asteroid, which is why I have qemu-legacy on sbo [02:29] YOu believe? D: [02:29] Okay. I will try it. [02:29] qemu-legacy + kqemu works fine on old hardware [02:29] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:30] yes, but not maintened [02:30] firefox-1.3 works fine too ;) [02:30] I thought kvm meant keyboard video mouse. [02:30] :| [02:30] heh, it does mean that too [02:31] i used it too dive, so i'm fully agree with you. but imho this is not solution to shared (as info, sb or packages) [02:31] asteroid, I have old hardware and use kqemu fine [02:31] asteroid, great but latest qemu is too slow on my system with kernel helper [02:31] s/wit/without [02:32] uml can be user mode linux or unified modeling language [02:33] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:33] yes. i burned my old desktop 1 month ago (because it was too hot at home), and i had a athlon-xp2500+, on an old asus-a7n8x. Iused it since 2003, fine. and i had old qemu/kqemu on it too :) [02:33] peregrine|falcon (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [02:33] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-23.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:34] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-242-251.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:35] How can I add my user to KVMGROUp? [02:37] edit /etc/group and add your user name to the group's user list [02:38] Oh. [02:38] gpasswd -a user group [02:38] :|... Ack ack. [02:38] Okay. [02:38] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:38] eg: gpasswd -a miss_riss kvm [02:38] you can also do a "man group" if you'd like more information about the /etc/group file [02:39] I could do: "KVMGROUP=rhisa sh qemu-kvm.SlackBuild" [02:39] No? [02:39] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:39] KVMGROUP=users sh qemu-kvm.SlackBuild [02:41] Ooh I thought that was specific-user. [02:41] Perfecto! After that I don't have to do anything! [02:41] no it's the group [02:41] miss_riss, what are you going to use qemu for? Which system? [02:42] Slackware 13.1. [02:42] On a Slackware 13.1. [02:42] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:42] both 64bit? or both 32? [02:42] I am going to mess with the kernel like no tomorrow, hack it, play with it, jerk it, then I am going to reboot it. [02:42] Both 32. [02:42] ok [02:43] Sometimes a chroot is useful but not really for kernel hacking [02:44] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:45] it's also good for package testing [02:45] (having a snapshottable clean machine to start on) [02:45] yeah I do all my slackbuilds in a chroot [02:48] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [02:49] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Alright so it's configuring. I wait. [02:52] ppc-softmmu/virtio-net.o [02:52] Really, I wonder if virtio-net.o is an actual file. [02:55] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. 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[03:55] Nick change: trhodes -> trhodes__ [03:56] Nick change: trhodes__ -> trhodes [03:56] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:59] Bed Bugs are horrid. [04:00] byteframe: no kidding [04:00] bitten frame [04:00] Action: byteframe is traumatized. [04:00] peregrine|falcon (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [04:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-157-180.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:09] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:10] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:13] lfjob (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Hi, alright so I did modprobe kvm-intel, but I get this instead "FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported"? Why? [04:15] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:16] http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/kvm-73-kvmintel-wont-load-2626-64-bit-kernel [04:17] bios [04:18] Ooh brb. [04:18] lfjob (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: lfjob [04:28] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:29] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:29] lfjob (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Now how to start this.. [04:36] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:41] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.140.96) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:48] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:50] So... I guess I'm alone. [04:50] Action: lfjob dances. [04:50] adriannes: 01:50 AM# uptime [04:50] 01:50:45 up 339 days, 11:11, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [04:50] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Oh my goodness. [04:51] Wow. [04:51] what sucks is I have to power her down to move her over to another rack [04:51] :( [04:51] At least it's not your fault. [04:52] the only saving grace is she's getting upgraded as soon as I get the new machines in place at her old slot [04:53] Morn [04:54] Don't suppose anyone has a Fedora Core 3 x64 install disc? [04:54] haven [04:54] 't done fedora in over 10 years [04:55] or RH even [04:55] My body hurts and I feel like I pulled a muscle. :( [04:57] Zordrak, strange you'd ask that. [04:57] alisonken1home, so what does she do? :o [04:57] lfjob: i have a legacy system to take care of [04:57] mehdi (bc9e1415@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.158.20.21) joined ##slackware. [04:58] it was installed before i even started working here. [04:58] Powercut killed grub [04:58] or more [04:59] found it.. deep in the archives of fedora projec [05:00] D: Why though? [05:00] Oh. [05:02] lfjob: a dedicated customer of ours [05:03] I see... :) [05:03] Dedicated.. [05:05] Action: surrounder still has a few suse 9.3 in his network, grrr :P [05:05] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:06] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [05:08] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:09] mehdi (bc9e1415@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.158.20.21) left ##slackware. [05:09] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Alright could anyone review a section of my resume? Tell me if it's okay or not. [05:12] Oak (~silas@119.154.114.8) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Oak (~silas@119.154.114.8) left irc: Changing host [05:12] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [05:16] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-109-251.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:16] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-109-251.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:16] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:17] hi everyone [05:17] hey [05:17] anyone else enjoying an good old mate the traditional way XD [05:18] http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blisstree.com/files/116/2007/10/mate_tea.jpg&imgrefurl=http://blisstree.com/eat/mate-tea-may-help-fight-cardiovascular-disease-116/&h=293&w=200&sz=40&tbnid=AkDd-gxtKsT4EM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmate%2Btea&usg=__qT_6XN6bZKxsOdokMLr_YlG__Ng=&sa=X&ei=otJbTNWLEs_xOZ-ipM4G&ved=0CDgQ9QEwBA [05:18] Nick change: lfjob -> miss_riss [05:18] what a link [05:18] Do you smoke that thing? [05:19] no [05:20] http://blisstree.com/eat/mate-tea-may-help-fight-cardiovascular-disease-116/ [05:20] read this [05:20] it's so damn good it is a litle bit erm bitter [05:20] I just need to sleep better. [05:20] I need to find someone to sleep with. Then I can sleep like a normal human being. [05:20] XD [05:20] help [05:21] iceheart, what is it? [05:21] AtuM (~atum@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] Alright, what qemu do I use for installing Slackware 13.1 to test out? qemu-i386? [05:22] Erm I mean x86_64? [05:23] whats a good way to find which /dev file is my cd drive? [05:23] Heh first instinct is lsdev. [05:24] edthix (~ed@175.137.39.20) joined ##slackware. [05:25] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:25] This isn't really a slackware issue, so excuse me if you find this off-topic. I do think if anyone, then slackware users can help: I call some program that uses X to display some images on a few monitors. After this program is killed, the original console is not accesible - the X switches to console7, but after that is killed, nothing listens there to be able to switch to the first console. Is there a way to do this via ssh remotelly? [05:26] AtuM: try it i think ssh should work if the kernel doesn't throw a panic [05:26] hmm, let me see if the cd drive is even plugged in... [05:26] what kind of music you always listen? [05:27] rock, techno, goa, ska, raggae [05:27] XD [05:27] iceheart, soft soft music. [05:27] m3tti, the ssh works.. but I'd like to be able to use the attached keyboard afterwards [05:27] miss_riss: well theres my problem, the ide cable wasnt plugged in lol [05:27] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:27] AtuM: ok then try to kill X [05:27] and the login manager [05:27] m3tti, it's killing X that causes this [05:28] Reticenti, :) [05:28] AtuM: sometimes X isn't killed properly do you have looked into your process list [05:28] if X is still running but have died [05:29] does anyone know if it's safe to pull out the power cord on an ide device if the ide cable isn't plugged in? [05:29] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Reticenti: there should not be any operations on the ide if the ide cabel isn't plugged in [05:30] my oppinion [05:30] m3tti: so it's probably safe to jsut unplug it? [05:30] I dont want to turn off the computer to unplug it (think of the uptime!) [05:31] if there are no operations it should be safe because if there are no operation nothing could destroy data [05:31] yeah [05:31] am i wrong? [05:31] that's my oppinion [05:31] i'll try it [05:31] mom [05:31] worst thing that happens is my house burns down [05:31] XD [05:31] =D [05:31] ok than you could try it [05:32] hey everyone. New laptop, usual fights [05:32] AtuM, chvt might help [05:32] is there a way to tell xrandr that big external monitor actually supports more than 720x400? [05:33] Kaapa: i had a link for that wait a moment [05:33] m3tti: well, my house is safe, so it's probably ok :) [05:33] you have to put something into the xorg.conf Kaapa [05:33] Kaapa: might need an xorg.conf with the proper settings [05:34] do you have an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11? [05:34] Kaapa: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/randr [05:34] ok it's ubuntu i feel ashamed [05:34] alisonken1lap: yes, I do. I'll try to delete it [05:34] just move it to xorg.conf.old for now [05:34] m3tti: thanks - and no fear, ubuntu increased linux community documentation in a vary valuable way [05:34] trhodes, this in fact places the console to the right place but no prompt is shown whatsoever.. [05:34] Kaapa: the section you were looking for was [05:34] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5A59.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:34] vinic__ (~konversat@p5B3D4D09.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] Section "Screen" [05:35] ... [05:35] SubSection "Display" [05:35] Channel flood from m3tti -- kicking [05:35] Virtual 3200 1200 [05:35] EndSubSection [05:35] m3tti kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:35] m3tti: and the part that's ubuntu doesn't strike me as odd as the fact that it's in german :p [05:35] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] :-( [05:37] http://www.n-tv.de/img/11/1162066/O_680_380_680_5718619.jpg <- lol [05:38] I GOT IT TO WORKKKKKk! [05:38] QEMU!! <3 [05:38] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-8-86.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [05:38] I also got sudo to workkkkk! :D [05:41] It's installing. [05:41] Wahaha. [05:41] sudo isn't difficult [05:42] Hush. [05:42] It is to my little head. [05:42] a colord boot prompt is difficult :-( [05:42] don't know why it don't want to break the line [05:43] Oh no! [05:43] Why am I getting fatal error? D: [05:44] paste [05:44] maybe i could help [05:45] I'll try again, hold on. [05:46] JJJunkk (spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:47] I need help with ALSA. Here is my .asoundrc file: http://paste.linuxassist.net/215398 (when I use route/multi master/slave device combination, I get increasing CPU usage with playing time that can reach 100%) [05:47] foobarz: what the [05:48] ta daaa - it worked [05:48] Kaapa: was the link right [05:49] m3tti: Just had to delete xorg.conf [05:49] ok [05:49] foobarz: what's multimaster [05:49] anyone knows a good script to map to XF86Display key? [05:49] something that uses xrandr and switches to the outputs [05:50] route is a master of a multi that is it's slave [05:50] Kaapa: de? [05:50] m3tti: sorry? [05:50] it is .asoundrc crap... it is almost it's own programming language, but not well documented! [05:50] Kaapa: which desktop XD [05:51] oh, I use xfce [05:51] but I was thinking of some simple script that I could map to that key [05:51] AtuM, chvt takes an argument, like "chvt 1" to switch the active console to /dev/tty1 (where there's hopefully a getty or so listening). If that doesn't work, perhaps vbetool can do some good, but i woudln't know the details [05:51] foobarz: alsa is a a big hack [05:52] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:52] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:52] the best thing i've discoverd was in 2.6.32 kernel mic doesn't work 2.6.33 it worked out of the box [05:52] don't know what the diffrence was [05:53] it works but seems to have a cpu usage bug [05:53] ugh, i hate the alsa syntax [05:53] i wonder why it was chosen [05:54] trhodes: maybe it look like c++ XD [05:54] it's some lisp variant [05:54] try to contact the alsa devs foobarz [05:55] I guess they are not in #alsa [05:55] foobarz: maybe in #alsa-dev [05:56] foobarz: the homepage says they are in #alsa [05:56] ha. empty chat channel [05:56] XD [05:56] http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ#Where_can_I_talk_to_real_people_about_ALSA_if_I_have_questions_not_answered_in_the_FAQ_or_other_ALSA-documentation.3F [05:56] First of all, check the #alsa channel on irc.freenode.org [05:57] I am living in #alsa... no one talks [05:58] thing i've to remember : never get in trouble with alsa becouse there is no one who can help XD [05:58] Oh my God installing Slackware is slowwwwwwwww on qemu! [05:58] i'm up to git now, so slowwww. [05:59] I'm not sure how I can debug the problem and know where in the alsa code my problem is [05:59] omegageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Quit: frobnicate foo! [05:59] that's one of the main problems on linux if you get in trouble with audio or graphics you are nearly lost [05:59] that was my expirience [06:00] all the code is there... it is up to me now [06:00] foobarz and the code. may the source be with you! [06:01] AtuM, another thing to try could be sysrq via /proc if your kernel has that [06:02] betageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [06:03] woot no arora package in sbopkg [06:04] Also alisonken1home if you are there, it turns out there are two broadcast pair, not one. [06:04] If you knew that alright, I just remember you saying there is only one. [06:04] m3tti: w00tw00t [06:06] stephen_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:22] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-189-175.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [06:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:27] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:29] Nooooo only one penguin in qemu for slackawreb oot up! [06:30] So I need a link to Slackware's kernel please. :D [06:30] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:30] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:30] donzauker (~donzauker@host176-240-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:31] ? [06:32] miss_riss: the number of penguins represents the number of cpus your machineh as -0 so your qemu virtual machine has just 1 cpu [06:32] I know. [06:32] How can I set it to 4 cpu? [06:33] I do not think qemu supports >1 cpu [06:33] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:34] Aqq... [06:34] it has the options... -smp n[,maxcpus=cpus][,cores=cores][,threads=threads][,sockets=sockets] [06:34] Aww... alright it's fine, thank you MoZes. [06:35] ashe (~ashe@125.166.161.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:35] AtuM (~atum@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:37] ashe (~ashe@125.163.35.100) joined ##slackware. [06:39] You know. I want to know if I can edit the kernel guide. I think I can contribute to http://slackwiki.org/Kernel_Compilation [06:39] :| [06:40] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:41] trhodes (~trhodes@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:42] Oh my!! Why isn't Tomoyo support on by default? It seems like such a fabulous feature. [06:42] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [06:43] yeeeaahh. ok [06:43] http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/ [06:43] and? [06:43] Zordrak, it's in the security options. [06:43] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:44] so? [06:44] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.81.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:44] I'm looking at the youtube, looks fun. Gonna try it. [06:44] I don't see what's wrong with it. :| [06:44] fun how? [06:45] trhodes (~trhodes@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:45] You seem hostile to it, why? [06:45] trhodes (~trhodes@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [06:45] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:45] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:45] because as far as i can tell its no better than selinux as another alternative to real security= [06:45] I gotta look into that. [06:47] miss_riss: and which of the major distributions has tomoyo support? [06:48] ananke, dunno, this is like my second or third time in make menuconfig, just looking through, then googling each options. [06:49] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:49] I saw Tomoyo catch my eye because it's an Asian word. So I thought it sounded good based on the descript I read int he site. [06:50] miss_riss: so that should put your earlier question in perspective [06:50] Perhaps, which question? [06:52] 06:38 miss_riss> Oh my!! Why isn't Tomoyo support on by default? It seems like such a fabulous feature. [06:52] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF7DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:52] Ooh. :) [06:56] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:57] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:59] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [06:59] Action: miss_riss waits while kernel compiles. [07:00] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.249) joined ##slackware. [07:03] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:03] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Now is my chance to run Damn Vulnerable Linux. lol [07:03] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [07:04] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:05] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [07:08] jhw_ (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:08] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:09] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.61.236) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Action: Zordrak is going to start a global campaign against indexed searching [07:15] im sick of it [07:15] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:16] :o [07:17] whether its google desktop, windows search, nepomuk&strigi or thunderbird 3.. its a pointlessa nd useless complete waste of resources that does nothing but harm the user experience [07:17] if you're one of the minority with a well-organised file system, sure [07:17] but if you're one of the people that saves everything to 'desktop', it helps [07:18] Strange, after make, now my qemu screen went completely black. Why? [07:19] miss_riss, power saving [07:19] fred: i dont know a single user who sees a net gain. The two minutes they lose doing a full disk search rather than an indexed one.. perhaps once a week, is massively outweighed by the performance degredation of the indexing service [07:19] Ooh.. I hit ctrl and it comes back, power saving in a virtual env? Interesting. [07:19] miss_riss, yep, it's a virtual machine after all :) [07:19] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-105-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Certainly a great experience. [07:22] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86803d.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Hi, how do I figure out which framebuffer mode is currently used? [07:23] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:23] look in /etc/lilo.conf I think [07:24] Bassist, /etc/lilo.conf and look at the video line. [07:24] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:24] Wait sorry. Not the video line. [07:24] I'm using grub, and I haven't set a vga mode [07:24] I du nno... I don't use grubby. [07:25] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:25] Zordrak: i.e. every time you open a file, you use the search feature [07:25] then it's useful [07:25] fred wait, everytime you open a file you use the search feature? [07:26] no, I'm saying there are people that do that [07:26] I know a few, especially on macs [07:26] they never use the open buttons on the toolbar or the menus [07:26] fred: lol.. doesn't that in itself say something about them :) [07:26] they just type some keywords into spotlight on the top right [07:27] like internet XD [07:27] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [07:28] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [07:28] s/internet/toobs/ [07:33] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:33] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86803d.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:35] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) joined ##slackware. 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[07:48] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:48] whats up? :-D [07:48] I am fine and work. And you? [07:48] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [07:50] ah chillin around with my mate tea XD [07:50] i'm a student XD [07:50] i have to chill [07:50] XD [07:50] Cheers brotha [07:52] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-181-89-9.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:52] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:54] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-70-173.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Action: Zordrak now has 100mbps uncontended symmetric fibre at his disposal :D oh yeah! [07:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:55] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-155-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [07:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Zordrak: nice:) [08:01] cant bloody test it... nowhere else has good enough bandwidth to confirm [08:02] kernel.org? [08:03] its really the up i need to test [08:03] im getting 80-ish figures from most places.. so im happy enough with the down.. but struggling to pass 20 on the up [08:05] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:06] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit [08:07] trhodes (~trhodes@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [08:07] vinic__ (~konversat@p5B3D4D09.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:08] trhodes (~trhodes@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [08:08] powermad driving out of the shadows he never tires when he plaaays [08:08] It's still compiling. Wow. [08:08] Zordrak: 80mbit ? [08:10] miss_riss: do you have a multicore system? [08:10] snL20, yes but I'm on a virtual machine. [08:10] miss_riss: aaah ok.. well depending on the vm you can choose how many of them are available [08:11] Really? kvm-qemu [08:11] miss_riss: yeah you can do that with qemu [08:11] Ooh.. how? D: [08:11] snL20: yus [08:12] miss_riss: -smp n[,maxcpus=cpus] [08:12] What's the [] part for? I'll just do 4 since I'm on a quad core. [08:13] miss_riss: yeah.. that's what I did [08:13] It's already compiling.... [08:13] mcury (~mcury@189.24.152.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-60-84.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:14] miss_riss: well its prolly a bad thing but personally i've interupted that process and restarted the compile with make -j4 and got it to work [08:14] Hm interesting. [08:14] I'll do that. [08:14] I wonder how much difference it makes. [08:14] :-) [08:14] Ah it's done anywya. Next time I'll know. [08:15] ok [08:15] Thanks tho! [08:15] miss_riss: no problem [08:15] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:16] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.154) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:17] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.25) joined ##slackware. [08:23] Alright... [08:25] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [08:25] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:27] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:29] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:30] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:31] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [08:35] skinder (~skinder@87.228.25.170) joined ##slackware. [08:35] will slackware use systemd? [08:35] or openrc [08:37] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [08:37] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:38] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:41] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:41] m3tti, I think both. [08:45] stephen_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:45] woot realy ? [08:46] that would be awesome [08:46] I don't see why not. [08:46] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [08:46] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:48] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl7-149-168.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [08:50] stephen_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-102-175.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] trying pyroom [09:00] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:03] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:04] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) joined ##slackware. [09:04] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:07] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [09:10] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. 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[09:21] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:23] lfjob: isn't realy hard [09:23] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] it's like a bootstrap install and a script for chroot [09:24] Banzaiii [09:24] does anyone have a 50mbps connection or more to help test my upload capacity? [09:24] Where is da holy shit and fat and ugly and unfucked linuks penguin now? [09:25] phrag: troll ping [09:25] Zordrak: yeah, 60 MB here atm [09:25] Zordrak brotha hush now baby [09:25] surrounder: kk, sc [09:25] *sec [09:25] ZORDRAK [09:25] john_dee (~id@78-106-242-1.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Pf, must Die! [09:26] Pf=PenguinFucker [09:26] where do these trollbots keep comming from [09:26] Right,yeah [09:27] Skywise brotha ola [09:27] Don't feed da penguinz [09:27] Use windows [09:28] Great thingz and ideas [09:29] Sigh, trolls aren't even trying these days. [09:30] lfjob brotha ola [09:31] /ignore Ongawizirka all [09:32] jailbox WHY? [09:32] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:33] surrounder: struggling to find a way to just serve a file out of this net [09:35] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-zdoprwzccjigctix) joined ##slackware. [09:36] have a nice weekend brotha's [09:36] byez [09:36] Ongawizirka (d5dea7f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.167.249) left ##slackware. [09:37] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF7DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:39] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Howdy [09:39] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-209.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Hi arfon. [09:40] Hi R [09:40] still lfjob? :( [09:40] As always, for many years. [09:40] :) [09:41] Me too [09:41] How old are you? [09:42] Me? [09:42] I'm 43 :p [09:42] D: [09:42] You don't need a job then. You should be retired. [09:42] HA !!! [09:43] You're funny [09:43] I need a BETTER job... [09:43] This one sux [09:43] sux hard [09:43] But, I keep putting money into my retirement plan but so far, I haven't hit the winning lotto numbers... :( [09:44] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.154.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:44] :( [09:44] Don't worry, I'll give you some money when I win the lottery. [09:45] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Well, thanks for the offer but $1.98 isn't going to help me much... [09:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.191.199) joined ##slackware. [09:45] lol [09:45] Well hey if that's what you wish. [09:45] Heck, the way inflation is going, $100,000 won't help much... [09:46] ;) [09:46] Keep your winnings and buy yourself a shoe. [09:46] Then save up and get the other shoe [09:47] lol [09:47] What type of job are you lf-ing? [09:47] vajra (~vajra@cm-84.215.89.58.getinternet.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:47] SigmaVirus24 (WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left ##slackware. [09:49] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:49] vajra (~vajra@cm-84.215.89.58.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [09:49] System administration job. [09:49] Entry level. Either that or programming or research. [09:50] Still in college? [09:50] Yes. [09:50] How long until you graduate? [09:51] Dunno, like 1-2 year for Associate. [09:51] I'm doing honor courses so it takes longer. [09:51] You goona get a BS? [09:51] Most if not all of my courses are honors. [09:51] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:51] If the honors don't kill me, sure. [09:51] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-155-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [09:51] I have a guarantee transfer to a good college, if I don't make it to Columbia. [09:51] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [09:51] lamah (ghost@78.90.113.108) left ##slackware. [09:52] Well, whatever degree you decide to get, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, plan ahead and pick one that you can make a career of. [09:52] It's compsci, I know. [09:53] I have certs too. [09:53] NO ART HISTORY degrees please. [09:53] And CEU, and probably others. [09:53] lol [09:53] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [09:53] -_- [09:53] i have 2 hdd's on first hdd i have grub2 and everything is ok on second hdd i have grub2 and other OS's but i don't need in this drive GRUB2 i want to remove it, how can i do [09:53] arfon, I think you are new to this channel. [09:53] 2 partition on first hdd? [09:53] pretty much... why do you say that.... [09:53] Lamah, how did you install Grub on that second drive? [09:54] arfon, because most people here don't have an art degree, most have either science or they have real world experience. [09:54] arfon: i cant remember :) [09:54] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC749.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:55] I can believe that... but unfortunately, the higher ed system churms out THOUSANDS of future Burger King employees with Psychology degrees every few months. [09:55] Grub is fairly small, why worry about it? [09:55] Psychology degree is worth it if you do graduate level though. [09:56] no no i don't want it [09:56] Not really, with it you can; Teach or Flip burgers [09:56] john_dee (~id@78-106-242-1.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [09:56] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [09:56] ... [09:56] arfon, sigh. [09:56] what burgers [09:56] are u a fat [09:56] :)))))))))))))))))) [09:57] arfon: I wonder how many people have a degree in something they can make a career of? How many would finish their degree otherwise? How to tell what degree will you get a career? Interesting, because I majored in English, have a certificate in theology, but teach Linux, and have spent my last 14 years of career in computing. [09:57] Nope. :) [09:57] 180 [09:58] sinuhe, it turns out the vast majority of people work in fields other than what they majored in, statistics have proved this. But let's not tell arfon that. [09:58] sinuhe, THAT'S a hard one... My field was/is EE but all of the manufacturing/jobs have been set to asia so even now EE is not that great of a degree [09:58] arfon, that's untrue. [09:58] Look, you're talking to someone who have a citizenship in one of these major Asian countries. [09:59] The real good jobs are still in USA. [09:59] Bubo (~stu@wp.eris.qinetiq.com) joined ##slackware. [10:00] I'm planning on going for Mechatronics, that will put me for EE, Mechanical Engineering, Control Systems Engineering, Software Engineering, and Robotics Engineering. [10:00] I tell my kids - Doctors, Bridgebuilders and (unfortunately) lawyers will always have jobs [10:00] Much of finding work is about having people skills, and knowing how to work the system. I don't think it has much to do with a specific degree, as it does dealing with people, and a modicum of know how to fake your way through it. [10:00] vinegaroon (~sam@202.180.121.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:00] Of course, academics, and the hard sciences, are a different story [10:00] sinuhe, you are correct for the most part, it is unfortunate because I am at a huge disadvantage here. I am disabled. [10:01] Are you lactose intolerant? [10:01] Or what [10:01] Action: sinuhe rolls his eyes [10:01] I'm just kidding lol. [10:02] That's funny :) [10:02] You would be surprised how many people out their believe they are disabled and get disability benefits from being Lactose intolerant [10:02] fatalnix, no I'm deaf for the most part. [10:02] Action: sinuhe normally rolls his eyes instead of groaning [10:02] Ah. [10:02] Yeah that sucks [10:02] I do not believe you get disability benefits for being lactose intolerant. [10:02] I'd be miserable if I couldn't drink milk [10:02] Prove it to me. [10:02] I don't even get disability check for being deaf. [10:02] hmm [10:03] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC749.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: brb [10:03] Well they probably figure you can still get around, etc [10:03] and do a good job [10:03] They could say the same about being lactose intolerant. [10:03] My best friend is one. [10:03] Nick change: garth -> gartt [10:03] And my best friend doesn't get a check either. [10:03] Some of those blind people, damn they listen to those screen readers at a bazillion miles an hour and can find stuff around the house faster than I could wether its organized or not [10:03] it's crazy [10:03] You're doing itwrong.... [10:04] :) [10:04] You need to have your hearing loss tied to a work related injury.... THEN you get the payout [10:05] I was born this way. [10:05] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7C196.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] :( No check for you then... [10:05] Yep. [10:05] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-109-251.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [10:05] Sorry R [10:05] Well.. Let's see [10:06] You're her in ##slacware not screaming how shut off compu?!, you're probably better of walking around telling everyone how you don't need damn disability checks [10:06] you're, I don't know wtf her came from [10:06] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC749.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] oh, here* [10:07] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:07] I recently read an internet shitfit over disability.. people getting disability for anxiety because they can't work alone and claim to not be able to get an aid with them :P [10:07] *aide [10:07] I didn't understand a word of that. [10:07] arfon: me too [10:08] Yeah... well like I said, there are people on disability checks because they are lactose intolerant [10:08] jhw_ (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:08] There is a problem. [10:08] how the hell do you even get that? bah [10:08] This is America [10:08] I needs an anxiety check! Where do I get my mofo Anxiety-check??? [10:08] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] lmao [10:08] you could probably fake that [10:08] and get it [10:08] <-- full of anxiety [10:09] (as far as you know) [10:09] ._. [10:09] revel0__ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:09] I can control mine [10:09] yeah I have anxiety issues as well, but I can still f'ing work :P [10:09] After I moved out, I didn't quite have anyone to help with them [10:09] so they just kinda went away [10:09] f'ing work? You do pr0n? [10:10] (JK, don't kill me) [10:10] definitely not.. unless it's um.. very specialized [10:10] fatalnix: well, it depends on what the triggers are :P glad to here you got over yours [10:10] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Oh I've had some random crazy anxiety that got really bad [10:11] revel0_ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:11] In that cas,e I should get it. [10:11] I have more problems than most people. [10:11] A soma a day keeps the flim-flams away [10:11] Asthma, allergy, anxiety. [10:11] Hell I have proof for them too. [10:11] anxiety from fear of cancer to lung disease to AIDS (Yet I've been single for years).. and I'm only 22 [10:11] I actually took meds for them. [10:12] do somebody know how i could get a colored bash prompt that does not crash all the time [10:12] m3tti: Does bash not crash without the color option? [10:12] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-101-35.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Colors makes your Bash crash??? [10:12] m3tti: (Where does bash have color?) [10:12] who needs color? [10:12] likeliest issue with a colored bash prompt that acts weird is probably non-escaped control characters in your PS1 [10:12] Action: sinuhe wonders if m3tti is referring to ls [10:13] just double check your PS1 [10:13] m3tti: I had a colored bash prompt that never crashed for years.. [10:13] fatalnix: maybe i could write a script wich could change color in aspect of your anxity level XD [10:13] m3tti: lol [10:13] :) [10:13] OMGZ the mudkipz are coming! [10:14] biggest anxiety attack ever [10:14] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) joined ##slackware. [10:14] no realy erm the prompt ... if i want to write more than one line it starts from the beginning of the line [10:14] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [10:14] That wouldn't work m3tti, it would always be red text on a red background [10:14] Action: sinuhe is typing from a green PS1 prompt. [10:14] ~lart sinuhe [10:14] hello all [10:14] Hi Destructo [10:15] what is a mudkipz? [10:15] thats my prompt [10:15] \[\033[1;31m\h \033[1;34m\w \$ \033[0m\] ' [10:15] oh forget the ' at the beginning [10:16] anyone wake for a quickie. ifconfig -a shows my pcmcia wireless adapter( wlan0 ). when i do ifconfig wlan0 up. i get this error --> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory [10:16] lfjob (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [10:16] Destructo: did you ever get that thing to work? [10:17] m3tti: oh, does it do that annoying "> text" thing if it wraps? [10:17] fatalnix: I'm surprised my anxiety never got my ass tossed into a wall or something :P (okay it kind of did once..). one of my major anxieties involved horses and since I rode them.. [10:18] no sir. but ive been beating myself trying to get it going. the fact that it shows up in iwconfig and ifconfig shows me that i might be able to pull it off. [10:18] Destructo: what chipset does it use? Broadcom? [10:18] Destructo, maybe you need a firmware [10:18] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) left ##slackware. [10:18] heh [10:18] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) joined ##slackware. [10:18] raela: no it don't wrap it starts from the beginning [10:18] m3tti: I had all the control codes aliased to make things neater :P [10:19] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Quit: lPt [10:19] sorry i closed a tab. did i miss anything [10:19] m3tti: so it never types to the right of the prompt? [10:19] How is firmware used in a driver by the way? It seems kind of a dumb way to do it [10:19] Destructo: what chipset does it use? Broadcom? [10:19] yes . broadcom [10:19] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Unless there is special Meta information the driver needs to know about your card [10:19] Thought so.... [10:20] Here's the deal, boradcom is a b!tch... [10:20] I have a few broadcom cards that work fine [10:20] or did [10:20] SOME chipsets need you to install the firmware using fwcutter [10:20] SOME don't [10:20] when i do lspci it shows as Network controller: Broadcom Corp. BCVM4306 802.11b/g Wireless Lan [10:20] raela: until a certain length is reached it writes to the right afterwords it starts from the beginning and kills the beginning [10:21] That doesn't make sense though, there should already be firmware on the card [10:21] You have to find out exactly which chipset you have and read the BCM driver pages [10:21] unless there isn't and it's DRAM or something [10:21] m3tti: as in.. it wraps. [10:22] m3tti: in previous versions, mine didn't do that, but I did notice it happening in 13.1.. though, I've since switched to zsh. I doubt it's due to the color [10:22] No Ksh? [10:22] iwconfig will see the adapter because the b43 diver is probably loaded [10:22] But your adapter won't work until you find out whetehr you need the firmware or what [10:23] fatalnix: I'm told zsh does very neat things [10:23] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:23] vajra (~vajra@cm-84.215.89.58.getinternet.no) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:23] http://img830.imageshack.us/i/bildschirmfoto1v.png/ <- look at this [10:23] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Let me say this, I have used the Linuxant wrapper driver since 2005 and that has been the onlything that I have found that consistently worked on those BCM chipsets. [10:24] Does that help any? [10:24] :) [10:24] I think Ksh is the shell used with FreeBSD by default [10:25] most likely because it was what bash and many shells were based on and everyone knew it at the time [10:25] iirc [10:25] oh, that's what you mean.. weird [10:25] fatalnix: ksh or pdksh? [10:25] and one moment [10:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] My HP-UX box here uses Ksh and it's fsck'd up (IMHO) [10:26] http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2936/bildschirmfoto2g.png <- look where the cursor is [10:26] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-101-35.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [10:26] I believe ksh [10:26] I'd have to look in my book again [10:26] m3tti: what's $TERM set to? [10:26] fatalnix: ksh is the default freebsd shell [10:27] raela: default don't know [10:27] XD [10:27] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.80.57) joined ##slackware. [10:27] should i set it to xterm-color [10:27] kommando nicht gefunden. lmao [10:27] m3tti: /exec -o echo #TERM [10:27] pupit: yeah german XD [10:28] err meant $TERM [10:28] m3tti: yeah, i know german, not too well now.. [10:28] t [10:28] rirombo (~user@h86.181.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:28] raela: its set to xterm [10:29] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:29] revel0__ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:29] Action: Zordrak has a disk so borked that he's had to leave a laptop battery weighing down the enter key to get through all the fsck prompts [10:29] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.61.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:30] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:30] m3tti: using xterm then? ehh.. perhaps ask in #bash [10:30] Zordrak: -y ? [10:31] Zordrak: You can't just -y ? [10:31] sinuhe: cant be arsed to restart it [10:31] laptop battery is just as good :) [10:31] m3tti, PS1='\[\033[1;31m\]\h \[\033[1;34m\]\w \$ \[\033[0m\]' has things escaped [10:31] lo-tech + works = works [10:32] Zordrak you any good with pcmcia cards and / or wireless crap in general [10:32] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-48-184.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [10:32] m3tti, your last two color stanzas in PS1 didn't have the \[\]'s to let the shell make room for the color codes [10:33] Destructo: not really. No more than poke it til it works and if it doesnt work throw it out [10:33] Zordrak: Hopefully, you don't end up with a nice, big lost+found directory. :) [10:33] sinuhe: all i want is /var/lib/mysql [10:33] trhodes: you're my hero [10:33] :-* [10:33] XD [10:33] :P [10:33] argh [10:34] nerd-love is a beautiful thing [10:34] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:22] greetings and salutations [12:23] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [12:23] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:24] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [12:25] ryuranger (~tmsuarez@189.74.242.229) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC [12:25] ryuranger (~tmsuarez@189.74.242.229) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:25] ryuranger (tmsuarez@189.74.242.229) left ##slackware. [12:25] wotcha andarius :) [12:27] wotcha BP{k} :) [12:29] Hi andarius [12:30] salutations arfon [12:35] when i look firefox, what decorates the top menu bar,etc is that the gtk+ toolkit? [12:35] *load [12:36] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [12:38] AlexElliott_ (~alex@2002:3e1f:a475:1234:21e:68ff:fe9b:9499) joined ##slackware. [12:38] AlexElliott (~alex@2002:3e1f:a475:1234:21e:68ff:fe9b:9499) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [12:41] dustybin: maybe [12:42] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:45] dustybin, yes, gtk theme, and icons as well [12:45] revel0____ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:46] AppDeb: do applications like XFCE have the power to change the gtk style for the menu bars? [12:46] yes xfce uses gtk [12:46] i see! [12:46] dustybin, go to xfce settings, you will find themes there [12:47] im using the i3 tiling wm now, and firefox looks very default looking, i just wondering if there is a way to make it look a little nicer [12:47] you can create manuallu a gtk.rc file or get a program that creates it for you [12:48] dustybin, lxappearance is the best for changing gtk theme imo [12:48] dustybin, you can find it in slackbuilds [12:48] wow ace :D [12:49] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:50] mcury (~mcury@189.24.152.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:51] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [12:54] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:54] hello channel! [12:58] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [13:01] Hello mrcarrot ! [13:01] hello arfon [13:03] Well, kids, It' Lunch time.. 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[14:07] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-000-088.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:07] Just got back from Arby's.... ate too much. [14:07] o_0 [14:07] and it was healthfood! [14:07] Now I want a nap.... [14:07] ;) [14:08] Sliced cow is healthy :) [14:08] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-101-35.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:08] mmmmm, cow slices [14:08] It's made up of alot of C's and H's so it's organic. [14:08] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [14:09] lol... Cs, Hs, and MOOs [14:09] _AtheoS_ (~AtheoS@82.42.192.179) joined ##slackware. [14:09] The MOOs are the most tasty parts [14:09] Nuthin better than BBQ'd moo [14:10] now you're making me hungry [14:10] may soon be time for a burger run [14:10] Ask them for extra Moo [14:10] yeah, that'll prolong the ordering process [14:10] lol [14:11] THATS a funny picture in my head [14:11] yeah, me standing in front of a totally confused person at McD's [14:11] it is a funny picture [14:11] "Can I take your order?" "Yeah, I'd like a burger with extra Moo." "wut?" [14:11] although i'm sure that if i said McMoo, there'd be no problem [14:12] McMoo is processed garbage.... It's made up of all of the dog food parts [14:12] differing in what way from the grey matter that is McD's beef? [14:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-5-232.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:13] Oh yeah, right.... sorry [14:13] greyish goo or not, i'm hungry... [14:13] bbiab [14:14] :) [14:14] ok [14:14] Action: arfon goes into a wait state [14:14] nop [14:16] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [14:16] Action: arfon wonders if alisonken1home got that... [14:17] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [14:18] High_Priest (~Mean@cable-94-189-161-230.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:18] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:20] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:23] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:23] figabo (~MacOSX@200.52.176.144) joined ##slackware. [14:26] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.76.81) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.68.95) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:32] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:35] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Stanto (~Stanto@client-81-105-79-45.lds-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-78-12-191-253.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [14:40] hi all. hi want to migrate my current64 to current32. i need to preserve all my program settings. can you suggest me what is the best procedure to do that? [14:41] *i want. sry [14:42] my setting are in my encryped /home mounted on ext4 partition [14:42] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [14:44] arfon: although I thinks it's more "noop" than "nop" [14:51] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7DF21.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] josemanuel (~josemanue@153.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:53] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-101-35.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:56] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:57] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.89.155) joined ##slackware. [15:02] :) [15:03] You got it! [15:03] I can't remember if it was Z80 or 1802 op code but one was NOP [15:04] OclkdMan: try backing up /etc [15:04] tsolox (~tsolox@124.6.157.10) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Why does everyone have to make things hard??? [15:04] is it possible to put 4 user gmail accounts inside one .fetchmailrc file, and later manually and selectively download email of just one user. Like, "fetchmail -u john" ??? [15:05] ah...you are right. but there will be for sure some 64bit related configs [15:05] Then: SELECTIVELY back up /etc :) [15:05] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.76.81) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:05] Nick change: NaCl -> Indeed [15:06] You may be correct but, I can't think of one config that might be 64 specific... [15:06] Nick change: Indeed -> NaCl [15:09] configs would only be 64bit specific in the sense that they are pointing apps to look in /lib64 or /usr/lib64, in which you just have to modify them to point to /lib and /usr/lib instead. [15:10] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:10] Looks like a job for sed [15:10] totally [15:11] sed is back,back, back... back in town,town,town.... [15:12] Thank you! That was Sed Shady, performed by arfon [15:12] He'll be in town all weekend [15:12] :) [15:17] Drat, just lost an ATM... brb [15:18] tsolox (~tsolox@124.6.157.10) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:18] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-57-195.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:19] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:20] Stanto (~Stanto@client-81-105-79-45.lds-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:20] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host81-159-254-78.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Back... [15:25] gniks: are you referring to configs in my /home ? [15:25] possibly, mainly configs in /etc [15:25] but there coudl be stuff in /home too, i don't know what you got setup [15:25] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:27] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:27] OclkdMan: Just out of curiosity why are you trying to move to an x86 platform? [15:28] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:29] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:30] flash64 not updated, acrobat and skype not avaiable, less precompiled pkgs, i use only networking/security/chat/browser progs, i've tried myltilib but i got crazy when i had to compile a prog in 64bit [15:30] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [15:31] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:31] it should be easy to compile an x86_64 app [15:32] gniks: mainly firefox, xfce, pidgin and others [15:32] and skype and acrobat are all binaries as they're closed source [15:32] were you using the slackbuild? [15:32] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] jgeboski: unfortunately, some palces require the Acrobat flash, and Adobe has decided to halt 64-bit work for a while [15:33] all those run on 64bit (except adobe reader) [15:33] but there are other pdf readers out there [15:33] they haven't stopped work on it [15:34] I believe they're revamping the system [15:34] and skype is NOT 64-bit - it's a 32-bit binary that requires multilib (they just package it as a 64-bit assuming you're running something like *buntu with multilib) [15:34] I had to install slack32 on the home 64-bit machine because of that problem [15:34] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] you could install multilib and be fine& im doing that on a VM [15:35] I've got something for a math class i took that took the acrobat and I installed the binaries with a multilib setup and used a x86 firefox version for the plugin [15:35] gniks: I tried multilib - ended up going back to pure 32-bit because of other issues as well [15:36] works fine for me [15:36] like huludesktop for the wife [15:40] multilib works, but works fine for what they are designed for. when you are in a development environment and you have to deal with 2 compilng methods. changing parameters and paths all the time it's a crazy job for anyone. [15:40] linux is not born to do that but if you simply use that to launch 32bit they are a good choice [15:40] the multilib packages which alianbob created have as scripts to manage that for you [15:41] and every other OS that runs 64bit is multilib capable, linux is as well, if you take the time to do it right [15:41] mac os x is 32bit only [15:41] no time sorry. [15:41] sahko: no its not [15:41] its not multilib [15:41] yes it is [15:42] its only 64bit! [15:42] no its not [15:42] im running out of options here [15:42] it has had 64bit capabilities since Leopard, and since Snow Leopard most of the core apps have been rewritten to be 64bit, along with the optional kernel [15:42] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [15:42] 32bit firefox and 32bit flash run fine on the 64bit kernel [15:44] FINE! [15:44] that's what multilib are for! [15:44] btw, im not saying that you should run multilib.. just saying its possible and is the way linux is headed [15:45] slackware is stuck in the past in some respects [15:45] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:45] and this is one of them [15:45] yo dudes !!! [15:45] you're right [15:45] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [15:45] gniks: the future is 64bit not crappy multilib [15:46] its the others that are stuck in the past [15:46] in this aspect at least [15:47] sahko: i question your knowledge on the topic [15:47] and like you said the majority of applications that dont get along with 64bit are closed source. why woould anyone give a fuck about that? [15:48] them* [15:48] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [15:48] well obviously people who are trying to use skype, and adobe products [15:49] there are alternatives, its just people *choose* not to use them instead [15:49] gniks: that's a problem with skype and other proprietary companies - they think they have to support only windows and sometimes macs - so don't put proper resources to linux because of fud [15:49] there are no alternatives to flash [15:49] alisonken1home: agreed [15:50] actually, there is. that's like saying there's no alternative to MS Word [15:50] gniks: what? and you question my knowledge on the topic? lol [15:50] flash is a dead horse anyway [15:50] alisonken1home: there are alternatives to the technology, there are however no alternatives to playing flash content (reliably) [15:51] sahko: when you go off saying an OS is 32bit only, then 64bit only and not knowing for sure, yes, i question your knowledge on the topic [15:51] ther's alternatives - it's the people that insist on using flash for crappy websites that have put flash in the forefront of that [15:51] ha! [15:51] you give strong opinions with little or nothing to back it up [15:51] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl12-90-141.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:51] adobe mainly is needed for complex searches in many pdf files and for compatibility for some strange encrypted formats. skype is a service, not replicable when you have 100 contacts that use that service. flash 10.45 has started crashing in my firefox 3.8 just today. [15:51] alisonken1home: i agree with that too, but there is flash everywhere&. and for people who do want to use the sites that utilize it, like your wife who likes hulu, you are forced into it [15:52] Okular can't do that OclkdMan? [15:52] not in xfce only enviroments [15:52] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [15:52] ah, try kde? :p [15:53] OclkdMan: actually, there's alternatives to PDF that predate PDF - but again, due to MS crap some technologies have limited people's critical thinking skillsets :) [15:53] not much resources [15:53] there are literally hundreds of pdf viewers out there [15:55] Nick change: emma -> em [15:58] I installed terminus font and in /usr/share/fonts/terminus I see this type of file "ter-xxxx.pcf.gz" [15:58] how can I load terminus font in xterm ? I tried xterm -fn terminus but it doesn't works [15:59] try eg. ter-p12n instead [15:59] I have an error : xterm: cannot load font ter-p12n [15:59] but it is weird because it seems that the font is loaded [16:00] bacal (~default@cpe-67-49-143-123.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] maybe cause its a console font [16:00] hmmm [16:01] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-78-12-191-253.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:01] what do, you mean ? 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I'm having toruble getting UTF8 to work properly.. I'm missing the "locale" command and I don't know in which package it's supposed to be. [16:32] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-52-120.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:33] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:33] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:33] I'm also wondering why the doc I've found mentions setting an option in lilo - all the other distros I've switched to utf8 didn't need this. why is it so flr slackware? [16:35] petaflot: glibc has the locale binary [16:35] you have to append a kernel option so that the kernel knows what the terminal char type is [16:35] append=" vt.default_utf8=1" [16:35] if you don't have glibc installed you definitely don't have a running system [16:35] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Client Quit [16:35] Who wants to talk to me about SMTP exchanges??? [16:36] you whut ? [16:36] arfon: what ya need? [16:36] I need to know about SMTP exchanges between servers... meaning- [16:36] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:36] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf [16:37] I send my email to my outgoing server, it relys it to another MTA or does it just lookup the final MTA and transfer it? [16:37] both ways are ok [16:37] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [16:38] yeah, depends on how your MTA is configured [16:38] if its configured to use an outgoing stmp server then it would, otherwise its direct [16:38] is there a command to stop sending arguments to the first command? [16:38] arfon: if you don't run a local mail server, you must configure one in your client [16:38] like screen command (args for command) [16:38] nyRednek: anything gnu accepts -- as end of arguments" [16:38] unless that's options [16:38] nyRednek: ";" [16:38] I think there's somethign for arguments as well - you could just quote the entire command [16:39] arfon: he must mean piped commands, else it's a silly question [16:39] ? [16:39] ah [16:39] I always assume the simplest scenario first [16:39] i'm using screen to call a command that needs arguments, but the screen is taking the arguments as its own [16:40] nyRednek: quote it [16:40] You're using minicom? [16:41] adaptr: nvm, figured it out [16:41] Anyway back to my SMTP question, does my SMTP server relay to upstream servers or does it just deliver to the end MTA? [16:41] arfon: depends on your configuration [16:41] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7DF21.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:41] arfon: "relay" to "upstream" ? doesn't really work that way [16:41] Typically [16:41] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [16:42] usually an MTA will look up the MX records of the destination& and it will contact the destination directly [16:42] arfon: the first MTA your message hits will try to deliver to the listed destination for the message [16:42] but some times, a transport will be configured on your MTA to pass it to another server for handling, there isn't really an "upstream" type of mentality with MTAs [16:42] I always assumed that my SMTP server just delivered the email to the end MTA but, then I thought, why couldn't my SMTP enabled e-mail client do that without a SMTP server...? [16:43] [solved] [16:43] a client is just that, a client, it doesn't speak SMTP beyond dropping a message on your server [16:43] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:43] But that's all the SMTP server does when sending mail... [16:43] gniks: um. it speaks SMTP. [16:43] read the rest of my message [16:44] arfon: you don't generally use an SMTP server as your client. [16:44] its a client, it speaks SMTP enough to drop the message on the server [16:44] gniks: it speaks SMTP [16:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Soooooo, why do we need an SMTP server to send mail? [16:45] because that's how mail is transmitted [16:45] we have mail servers to give us greater control over how mail is exchanged between destinations& if my mail client were to send email directly to every destination, it would be a night mare for spam/security reasons [16:45] and "we" is a broad sweeping assumption - most people don't need one, they use their ISPs [16:46] That answer doesn't help me.... If my client speaks SMTP to send the mail to my SMTP server, why can't it just look up the end MTA and send it directly? [16:46] thats not how email works [16:46] because it is more than likely that the receiving MTA will refuse [16:46] your client app is not a server [16:46] Obviously but why? What is different? [16:46] tekzilla (~jon@d174224.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:47] and it's a lot more efficient to delegate the routing of mail to a known number of interchanges [16:47] So email is routed like IP? through a chain of servers? [16:47] not like IP [16:48] arfon: mail routing is accomplished by querying DNS [16:48] tekzilla (~jon@d166135.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:48] rg3 (~rg3@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:49] Okay so, the path is: my client >SMTP> My_server >SMTP> End_MTA [16:49] petaflot (~dave@85.218.65.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:49] SMTP is a protocol not an entity [16:49] not necessarily, but your server will deliver it to the best destination it knows [16:50] it has no way of knowing whether that is the final destination - nor does it matter [16:50] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-5-112.w86-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:51] So, when you set up an SMTP server, you have to provide and upstream server for it to route mail to? [16:51] no, you don't have to [16:52] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [16:52] So, if you don't specify an upstrem MTA, it will attempt to deliver directly to the final MTA? [16:52] it will deliver the mail to the best MX record published in DNS [16:52] that isn't necessarily the final MTA [16:53] (for my argument, it's the final MTA) [16:53] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC749.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: gute Nacht | good night o/ [16:53] Ok... So why can't the SMTP portion of my client just look up the MX record and deliver directly without needing my SMTP server? [16:54] its this simple, if outgoing connections on port 25 aren't blocked then email goes direct to the server, if your isp blocks port 25 outbound, then you must use their smtp server as an outbound relay [16:54] not exactly that simple [16:54] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [16:54] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:55] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:55] thats not how email is designed to work& MTA's are designed to accept email from clients, and this is usually controlled via IP, or username access& and there are other mechanisms that are used like SPF that will reject mail if your client sends to the MX record and not through a proper MTA [16:55] actually, there is no technical reason you can't send to the MX destination from your client [16:55] and MTA's are certainly not "designed" to work that way [16:55] adaptr: What's that? [16:56] postfix works exactly that way if you configure it to [16:56] and MANY MTA's around the world do these things as well [16:56] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:56] which will reject email sent directly from the client [16:56] arfon: most modern reasons to use an external mail server have to do with trust and spam [16:56] gniks: god please don't think you know the first thing about postfix [16:56] petaflot (~dave@85.218.65.182) joined ##slackware. [16:56] i know alot about postfix [16:57] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:57] "alot" is not a word [16:57] slck-o (~cris@201.86.2.47.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:57] and if you don't mind& don't take the lords name in vane [16:57] s/alot/a\ lot/ [16:57] happy? [16:57] he's not my lord [16:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:58] thats fine, i don't take your lord's name in vane [16:58] I'm sorry, I must have missed something... What's the technical reason SMTP clients could send directly to the end MTA? [16:58] could = can't [16:59] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [16:59] MTA's today only accept mail (if configured properly) from trusted sources [16:59] 20 years ago this wasn't an issue [16:59] that's utter nonsense. MTAs don't do anything unless configured to. hence, the behaviour has nothing to do with MTA's [17:00] nothing does anything unless configured to [17:00] you really should learn to read& i specify all these things in my messages [17:00] if you want a lot of spam coming your way, go ahead and configure it to accept mail from the world [17:00] i don't care [17:00] but the rest of the world generally does [17:00] and therefore configures their MTA to reject mail from untrusted sources [17:01] stop talking [17:01] (still with my utf8 problem): so I have set vt.default_utf=1 in boot options, setup a utf-capable font, modified /etc/profile.d/lang.sh. I can do "touch é ; rm é" and that works. however, if I do 'ls' on a dir with non-ascii filenames I get escape sequences instead of the proper filenames. I am still missing the 'locale' command [17:01] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.102.81) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:01] adaptr: stop trying to be a know it all, you weren't even offering to answer his question, i was [17:02] by presenting incorrect facts ? nice work [17:02] my facts are correct [17:03] I'm gonna just write my own spec... Who wants the aplha copy of my f-mail specs? [17:03] email is dumb [17:03] arfon: you're probably right.. but until there's something better we're stuck with that :-/ [17:03] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:04] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-41.viapori.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:04] actually I wouldn't say email is dumb.. it's just obsolete [17:04] As I wrote on my MTA's page... "it's friggin text! WHY IS IT SO HARD???" [17:04] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-214-151.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:05] if i boot my slack box and type alias, it shows a list of aliases, but the aliases are not defined anywhere in my home directory, where are they defined? [17:05] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-209.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] nobody knows in which package I should find the 'locale' command? [17:06] dustybin: in /etc/profile ? [17:06] petaflot: its in glibc [17:06] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433996.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:07] gniks: thanks.. weird I'm sure I didn't deselect it [17:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:07] if you did, your system wouldn't work :p [17:07] it would [17:07] dustybin: the default ones are in /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [17:07] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:08] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] ohh thanks :D [17:08] if you didnt install glibc-solibs AND glibc THEN it wouldnt work [17:09] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) joined ##slackware. [17:10] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:11] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:11] sahko: thanks! it works [17:12] sorry for such a noob question... I guess I'm tired today [17:12] gniks: thanks for your help too [17:12] np [17:12] Action: petaflot is happy now [17:13] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7DF21.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Action: petaflot is now going to sleep... [17:14] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] petaflot (dave@85.218.65.182) left ##slackware. [17:14] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.213.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Well, blech, I've got to do a database clean up... Going back to lurking [17:17] Action: dustybin secretly logs into arfon box [17:18] dustybin: btw, look at /etc/profile your bash login session starts there :p [17:18] hey boys and gils watch this http://is.gd/e6wPK [17:18] XD [17:18] gniks: thanks :D [17:19] damn politicians [17:19] gniks: i copied the dir colour file from profile.d into my .bashrc [17:20] why did ya do that? :p [17:20] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:20] when i launch startx + uxterm [17:20] the dir colours are gone [17:20] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:20] thats weird :P [17:20] but that will work as a solution [17:20] i am using i3 window manager [17:21] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-zdoprwzccjigctix) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:21] they should carry over ot your other sessions, unless something unsets them [17:21] maybe i3 unsets them [17:22] possible, i never used it [17:22] dustybin: what does $TERM return when you're in uxterm? [17:22] does slack come with a javascript compiler? [17:22] ohh xterm [17:22] eeek [17:22] you can get the JDK in extra SigmaVirus24 [17:22] im using uxterm [17:22] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-156-95.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] echo $TERM [17:23] xterm [17:23] and you copied /etc/DIR_COLORS where? [17:23] .bashrc [17:23] im using uxterm [17:23] that is the problem [17:23] thanks gniks [17:23] is $TERM defined in /etc/profile ? [17:23] if $TERM is set to xterm, it should work [17:23] no [17:24] im begining to wonder if this is the work of a trojan horse [17:24] $TERM is set in /etc/profile [17:24] no its not [17:24] :P [17:24] yes it is dude, read the file [17:25] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [17:25] ok, does it set it to xterm? [17:25] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [17:25] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [17:25] no, something else is doing that on his machine [17:25] it only sets $TERM in 1 occasion not always [17:25] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:25] and that occasion is irrelevant to the discussion [17:25] so it doesnt really set it [17:26] bbl [17:27] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.226.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:27] it sets it when the terminal isn't previously set, it is the beginning of a session so unless bash or your shell specifically sets it first, or after, profile sets it [17:29] dustybin: when i run uxterm from my current session [17:29] i get ls colors [17:29] oh wow, i don't like uxterm [17:30] whoever decided that was a good idea is insane [17:30] setting the suid bit on that [17:32] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [17:33] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [17:37] what is wrong with uxterm? [17:37] if i start with rxvt the colours are ok [17:38] fvwm2 is ugly compared to i3 [17:38] i need to get out of there [17:38] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.73) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:45] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:50] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.89.155) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:51] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:54] High_Priest (~Mean@cable-94-189-161-230.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: ... [17:54] FVWM95 FTW [17:54] arfon: s/95/2 [17:55] You don't remember fvwm95???? [17:55] arfon: yeah, i remember it [17:55] arfon: prefer fvwm2 or afterstep [17:56] It was the attempt to make fvwm look like windows 95, complete with the TUX START button [17:56] I use XFCE, KDE, Fluxbox and TWM [17:56] arfon: and redhat did their AnotherLevel, which was their hacked version of fvwm95 [17:56] josemanuel (~josemanue@153.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:56] schoene (~mark@cpe-65-189-214-151.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:57] Never saw Anotherlevel [17:57] arfon: it was in redhat 5.1/5.2 [17:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:57] What was so different about it? [17:57] arfon: not much [17:57] arfon: it just had redhat's gui stuff in it [17:57] I used RH9... only RH9 [17:57] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [17:58] arfon: redhat 5.1/5.2 came out about the same time as slack 3.5/3.6 [17:58] arfon: which was about the time i started using linux [17:58] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.80.199) joined ##slackware. [17:58] the beautiful 2.0.3x kernel [17:59] no iptables [17:59] no lvm [17:59] no... wait, what did it have ? [18:00] ah yes, floppy support [18:00] adaptr: they had something similar to iptables, but designed for the older kernels [18:00] yes, there was ipmasq or somesuch [18:00] it had oss audio, floppy/cdrom/ide support [18:00] iptrafw or something. [18:00] wharncliffe: that's it [18:01] Well, pals and gals, it's go home time. You guys have a good weekend. 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[19:58] hjin (~hjin@86.122.107.145) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:59] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [20:01] juboba (~juboba@190-95-51-240.bk19-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [20:01] how can I install tilda? [20:02] for 13 or 13.1? [20:02] 13.1 [20:02] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/tilda/ [20:02] thanks [20:02] do I need slapt-get? [20:02] i mean [20:03] im always afraid when compiling a kernel that I turned something off I need, or will need in the future, and just wasted a bunch of time [20:03] slackpkg? [20:03] well slackbuilds.org provides a script that builds it for you [20:03] then all you have to do is install the built package [20:03] KaMii: once you made your first compilation, doing it again doesn't take that much time [20:03] SigmaVirus24: ok [20:03] juboba: #slackbuilds can help you some more if you need it [20:04] I asked because they're tar.gz files [20:04] thnx [20:04] juboba: this is my 3rd or 4th and ya it still takes about the same amount of time, theres a ton of things to go through [20:04] juboba: go to #slackbuilds and i'll help you more in there [20:04] are you keeping the sources? [20:05] juboba: as noted - for slackbuild help go to #slackbuilds [20:08] does anyone memorize all those screens and stuff in menuconfig for kernel compiling? i mean that must be impossible to remember [20:08] not impossible, but they're reasonably grouped [20:09] ya, but in some groups i only need like one or two out of the 30 items in there, and it takes me a long time going through them :S im always nervous [20:09] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:10] that's why you keep the original huge.s (or huge-smp.s) in lilo.conf so you can recover :) [20:10] ya, i know that, but you can never recover your time lost [20:11] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:11] chalk it up to learning and experience. school for me was a social event rather than a learning event. When I started playing with slack, THAT's when I started doing the learning thing [20:12] school is a waste of time, they dont teach you anything [20:12] my english teacher... her english is soo horrible, they finally removed me from the class because I kept correcting her [20:12] social skills with your peers is what I learned :) [20:12] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.80.199) joined ##slackware. [20:12] i just annoy everyone [20:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [20:13] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [20:14] yeah we can understand that feeling :p [20:14] juboba (~juboba@190-95-51-240.bk19-dsl.surnet.cl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:17] it would be nicer/easier if I had a manual for my MB that was actually specific on what was needed. I still think I could turn off a lot of things in the kernel, but I just dont know [20:17] and well my generic cards.. well those are even more trickier [20:17] KaMii: and you were correcting your english teacher? [20:18] Action: KaMii lives in Sweden [20:19] ah ok [20:19] understandable [20:19] for your own information though it's even trickier [20:19] more trickier is poor (real) grammar although it's better than par for internet grammar [20:19] grazymax (~grazymax@host226-159-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:21] didnt realize this was also the English Literature room... :S [20:21] slackware comes with lots of ready made binaries / packages [20:21] i need to re-compile firefox so it uses my new font libs [20:21] what would be the best way to go about this? [20:21] but if you require me to speak as though I have a silver spoon all the up my backside... then I shall try to please you in this manner [20:21] KaMii: I try to spruce the place up from time to time [20:22] wasd94 (~wasd@95-37-215-177.dynamic.mts-nn.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:22] dustybin: get the slackbuild from the src/ directory and modify as needed [20:22] oh src :D [20:22] ace [20:22] then upgradepkg [20:22] dustybin: oh god don't compile it from source [20:22] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-156-95.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:22] not firefox [20:23] dustybin: please tell me that you realize how much time that will take you? [20:23] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [20:23] hello, i can't compile programs with libreadline [20:23] http://dpaste.com/225827/ [20:23] 13.0 [20:23] Hostname: server - OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2933.263 MHz) - Processes: 269 - Uptime: 17h 49m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 2839.57MB/3702.39MB (76.70%) - Disk Usage: 400.06GB/1286.46GB (31.10%) [20:23] on that beast, not long :D [20:24] Razec (~razec@187.34.23.15) joined ##slackware. [20:24] an i3 is a beast? [20:24] i7 maybe [20:24] madnex (~root@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [20:24] dustybin: i'm on a quad core running x86_64 [20:24] wasd94: is it a stock Slackware 13.0? [20:24] it took me 30 minutes at best [20:25] SigmaVirus24: where is the fun and excitement in you [20:25] :P [20:25] 30 minutes is nothing, wine takes me 45, i dont complain [20:25] well tbh i was compling icecat [20:25] *compiling [20:25] but that's firefox with the gnu's approval [20:25] wasd94: stock = full installation? what you're trying to compile probably needs a patch [20:26] I trying to use this library in my own program. Slackware fully installed with 4.7+ GB of software [20:27] g++ -o wasdexmpp -lc -lreadline main.o shell.o [20:27] does your program work with the gcc and glibc versions in 13.0? [20:28] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:28] nice fonts [20:28] http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender [20:28] I just testing libreadline and this program contains only execution of readline functions [20:28] same problem with ubuntu 10.04 [20:29] i can try compile it on freebsd :) [20:29] wasd94: try some programming channel. maybe ##c++ [20:29] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [20:29] okay, thank you [20:31] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:33] hmm, how to send messages to ##c++? [20:33] join the channel just like you joined here [20:33] i can't send messages to the channel [20:33] /j ##c++ [20:33] unless it's a closed channel or you've been banned [20:33] but i joined, lol [20:34] or is it +m? [20:34] if its +m you need to wait to be voiced or pm an op and ask nicely [20:34] KaMii: it's not [20:34] nyRednek: and I can vouche for that [20:34] (04:31:10 AM) Cannot send to channel [20:34] nope :( [20:35] SigmaVirus24: yeah, maybe someone at his isp pissed them off [20:35] i'm checking that now ny [20:35] wasd94: You're nick is registered, correct? [20:36] stop [20:36] i solved my problem [20:36] with linking [20:36] g++ -o wasdexmpp main.o shell.o -lcurses -lreadline [20:36] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:36] wasd94: ok, cool...but the sending to ##c++ issue is, imho, one that also needs to be addressed [20:36] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:36] yeah but i can't find him on the ban list [20:36] hmm, strange [20:37] also his nick doesn't seem to be registered [20:37] SigmaVirus24: that's it [20:37] how to register? [20:37] nyRednek: which flag is that? [20:37] wasd94: /msg nickserv help register [20:37] but nyRednek I may be wrong. [20:37] i think it's +n [20:37] why am I all of a sudden being pinged by both SigmaVirus24 and nyRednek in this conversation? [20:37] nyRednek: then it's not that. ##slackware is +n [20:38] that was weird, you didnt say my name but it pinged me [20:38] wasd94 (~wasd@95-37-215-177.dynamic.mts-nn.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:38] KaMii: messed settings? [20:38] true [20:38] wasd (~wasd@95-37-215-177.dynamic.mts-nn.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:38] KaMii: check your ~/.irssi/config file [20:38] KaMii: maybe you _like_ us? [20:38] yeah maybe she has a watch out for us [20:38] no [20:38] assuming KaMii is a she [20:38] ;) [20:38] I don't swing the other way [20:39] it was just a one time think, never seen that happen before [20:39] SigmaVirus24: either way, i'm married with kids, one of which may be her age [20:39] nyRednek: lol... if it's anywhere in the college age range then so am I :P [20:39] and we're fromt he same area [20:39] okay [20:39] it;s my second registered name [20:40] SigmaVirus24: my oldest daughter is 18 [20:40] does she use linux? [20:40] that's around the range of my 3rd kid [20:40] KaMii: great question [20:40] alisonken1home: you milf you [20:40] :P [20:40] madnex (~root@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:40] KaMii: yes, she uses slackware [20:40] :) [20:40] haha [20:40] cuz if not, you should take her computer away from her [20:41] nyRednek: o/ [20:41] SigmaVirus24: alisonken1home is male, last i checked...the ken of the two names [20:41] which WM does she use? [20:41] >_< [20:41] KaMii: xfce [20:41] yay [20:41] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-52-120.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [20:41] she rocks [20:41] SigmaVirus24: what can i do to a slackbuild to make sure it uses all 4 cores of my CPU ? [20:41] nyRednek: more importantly which wm do you use? [20:41] SigmaVirus24: nyRednek is correct :) [20:41] damnit [20:42] XFCE4 [20:42] dustybin: I'm not sure what to do to the slackbuild to ensure that [20:42] SigmaVirus24: i go back and forth between fvwm and afterstep [20:42] because mine built on 2 [20:42] just info my nick :) [20:42] and Fluxbox on this machince [20:42] im sure its a make -j option [20:42] damnit [20:42] make -j4 = 4 cores [20:42] ok now alisonken1home's message just pingd me [20:42] what is going on? [20:42] KaMii: irssi 0.8.15 bug [20:43] i'm still use 0.8.14 but have bells turned off [20:43] i know one girl, she is 16 and uses awesome on her gentoo [20:43] it's great [20:43] well i have no sound, but its hilighing on my screen [20:43] that is truly bizarre kamii [20:43] wasd: if I could get awesome to compile properly on 13 i might try it [20:43] must be some weird bug, i never saw this happen before [20:44] rodrigo_golive (~Rodrigo@201-66-84-13.ctaje700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:44] KaMii: have you done any /watch settings? [20:44] i tried awesome on 14 [20:44] no [20:44] tenfn (tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999) joined ##slackware. [20:44] i love afterstep... [20:44] unless its inclued in a script Im using [20:45] that was slackware 12.1, i compiled awesome at night before 2008-2009 new year [20:45] awesome and afterstep... two things I have not heard of before [20:45] nostalgy [20:46] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Going! [20:46] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [20:47] ok so I have been reading this O'reileys kernel book, and one question I have, it hasnt answerd, and that is: The kernel source can be hundereds of megs large, but a compiled kernel is very small... how is this possible? [20:48] if i do this before i run a slackbuild [20:48] CFLAGS='-j 4' [20:48] export CFLAGS [20:48] sloc on text files does not equate to compiled binaries - especially since things like header files are just compile/make/link helpers [20:49] will my slackbuild compile using 4 cores? [20:49] also coments in source files are stripped [20:49] export CFLAGS="-j4" [20:49] procyonlabs (~randy@pool-173-69-175-97.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm outta heeere... [20:49] KaMii: ^^ [20:49] ace [20:49] add this line to ~/.bashrc or so :) [20:50] uhh, that totally went over my head like the internationl Space Station [20:50] the other thing as well is that not all source files are used in the finished binary - it depends on the compile options that are set that determines which files are actually compiled [20:50] wasd: that works!!!!!!!!!!! [20:50] dustybin export CFLAGS="-j4" or your variant? L) [20:51] KaMii: ok - comments (lines beginning with /* ... */ and #) are ignored and not included in the binary - same with blank lines [20:51] sloc = source lnes of code [20:51] wasd: i added it to /etc/profile [20:51] also, ascii text takes more room than a single binary computer instruction [20:51] yep, both variants should work [20:52] that is a lot of lines of comments then [20:52] header files (files ending in .h) are not compiled - they're just helpers for the compile/link commands [20:52] is there a book somewhere I can read that explains this? [20:53] because its interesting to me, but the one I have never mentions it at all [20:53] my cpu is pumping gas [20:53] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@200.204.234.86) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:53] pretty much any beginning basic programmng tutorial or C/C++ tutorial should explain a lot of it. the rest of it is just experience and listening [20:54] KaMii: C in a nutshell - oreilly [20:54] everytime I tried to look at programming, I got so confused evertime, i just cant understand anything with programming [20:54] when talking about the kernel, though, it would be basic programming, C, and makefile stuff - unless you want to get into the assembly language stuff [20:54] KaMii: you need to be alien to understand code [20:54] you can always ask for help [20:55] dustybin: read her main question - this time was trying to understand how several hundred megabytes of source code compiles into a file less than 10M [20:55] which is the best language to start with, for learning about programing? (if there is a best) [20:56] not less than 10 mb [20:56] regex / awk sed first [20:56] then bash [20:56] KaMii: I like python - easy to learn, easy to understand [20:56] there's also a tutorial on python for kids you can start with [20:56] 10 mb are kernel, but there are about 50 mb of modues [20:56] once you get the basics, you can go into compiled programs [20:57] wasd: depends on your compile options, but it's still less than the hundreds of megs of source code files [20:57] once i setup linux with swap space, can i remove it, not use it anymore? [20:57] I like C - maybe not easy, but very interesting and powerful :) [20:58] pupit, yep [20:58] pupit: swapoff -a [20:58] lol alisonken1home I did an online tutorial for ruby, it said anyone can figure it out in 30 minutes... two hours later, I not only failed the online tutorial, I had no idea what was going on :S i felt like a mororn [20:58] pupit: just comment the line in fstab [20:58] thanks guys :) [20:58] wasd: on top of the syntax is good [20:59] the more low level the language, the more you need to understand how the hardware works? [20:59] yes [20:59] thats a general statement but yes [20:59] and worry about portability [21:00] so the people who design intel chips are probably good asm coders [21:00] assembly, for example, is directly related to the cpu instruction set - only (somewhat) human readable [21:00] dustybin: not necessarily - not all engineers are programmers :) [21:00] aye ok [21:01] the main part of the kernel is written in asm? [21:01] C [21:01] oh [21:01] only optimization parts - the rest is C [21:01] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] C can include asm (as it does in the kernel) [21:01] i just dont learn like most people, we took this test in school about learning styles... they said mine wasnt even on their list haha, they said I learn in some way that they cant figure out... [21:02] keep trying till you figure it out :) [21:02] they said I got the answers right, but they couldnt figure out how I came to the conclusion [21:02] C gets translated to ASM before its compiled into machine code& but its not always the most optimal [21:02] no - C gets compiled to object code [21:02] assembly is a language just like C, only more hardware-direct [21:02] I living in Russia, teachers force us to study Basic and Pascal. What language used in schools in your country? It is just interesting. [21:02] so basically i hvae to teach myself and sometimes its really difficult and i just get frustrated [21:02] everything gets compiled to object code eventually [21:03] correct - but nothing get's compiled to assembly (as noted) [21:03] it gets compiled into Assembly Code [21:03] it gets compiled to object code - there's a difference [21:03] then object code after its linked [21:03] http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/node3.html [21:03] no - object code is the file that gets linked [21:04] we compile to object => linking => executable [21:04] ? [21:04] my understanding is that the object it outputs are machine code [21:04] at least the way I learned it back in the 70's [21:04] *objects [21:04] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:05] thats not what i was taught, and not exactly what this explains [21:05] I noticed [21:05] The C compiler translates source to assembly code. The source code is received from the preprocessor. [21:05] :p [21:06] pedantically, a c compiler compiles translation units [21:06] why would it turn it into assembly and then into object code? [21:06] i mean, you are right about object code& just there is an intermediary code :p [21:06] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [21:07] somebody's been renaming things then, since I learned that assembly is text files that are source code that gets converted to object code prior to linking [21:07] all of your resources get translated into objects, so that the linker knows what to do with them [21:07] things haven't changed since the 70s& my C book says the same thing [21:08] correct - and I had a master chief that created object code blocks from basic that he copied to our msdos machine and compiled into executables [21:08] my college also revolved around C as its main language [21:08] alisonken1home: there are some c compilers that output .s(assembly macros) to be passed to an assembler to make object code [21:08] nyRednek: preprocessors? [21:08] no [21:09] alisonken1home: no, the process isn't seen by the user, but there are compilers that literally, just translate C to asm [21:09] jeeeze firefox is taking ages to compile, its only a web browser, what makes it so bloated [21:09] that's what gcc does [21:09] nyRednek: I think we're thinking of preprocessors differently :) [21:09] dustybin: the features [21:09] ok [21:10] preprocessors work on # directives [21:10] ifdefs and #includes [21:10] C the language as itself doesn't provide any functionality for anything& you have to write your initial low level functions like for input and output to a screen in ASM, wrap it in a C function. It's what the standard libraries do. Its the only way (at the time it was written) to get access to the hardware is to compile things down into ASM [21:10] i wish i had some nitty-gritty reading on what linkers do :/ [21:11] alisonken1home: a preprocessor just works on macros integrated into the source...turns the source into straight code, sans the preprocessor directives [21:11] linkers take all your resources, function libraries, etc& and system libraries and link them together [21:11] gniks: that includes references to library functions [21:11] nyRednek: I think you're pointing out gcc (or similar) [21:11] gniks, and linking is what? defined by the elf format ? [21:12] linking combines the multiple object files into a single executable file with appropriate pointers for the environment [21:12] it doesn't have anything to do with elf format& thats just format in which the binary is complied [21:12] alisonken1home: maybe...but gcc isn't the only compiler that behaves in this manner [21:12] Visual Studio behaves in that manner too [21:12] alisonken1home: iirc, lc works this way as well [21:12] so does vac [21:13] except visual studio adds too much crap in your sources as well :) [21:13] not disputing that :p [21:13] gniks, ok, so elf is how the kernel knows what to run ? [21:13] at least it did last time I used it a loooong time ago [21:13] alisonken1home: that's the IDE, talking about the compilers themselves...lc==microsoft c compiler [21:13] no - elf is the "executable link format" that defines the layout of the executable binary - same goes for a.out format [21:14] elf is how the binary is formatted, like if you are formatting a thesis paper, you know where verything is because you know what format to expect it in [21:14] alisonken1home: and vac==ibm visual age c++ compiler [21:14] they define how the executable file will be sectioned [21:14] well, i've read the manpages for eld [21:14] *elf [21:14] not too useful without more understanding though [21:14] again, i wish i knew what linking was [21:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.120.144.174) joined ##slackware. [21:15] elf is the way the file is layed out, just like .com, .exe etc files are layed out [21:15] you don't really need to understand elf, unless your creating a compiler or kernel or something to interpret a binary [21:15] iirc, most windows binaries are elf, os/2 binaries, some dos binaries, etc [21:15] i thought windows was like coff [21:15] lol, linux used to be coff [21:15] windows binaries are exe format, not elf [21:15] that changed a LONG time ago [21:15] exe was based off coff though [21:16] sys V r3 [21:16] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:16] something like that, yes [21:16] alisonken1home: exe simply means executable [21:16] windows binaries are actually PE [21:16] alisonken1home: an elf binary linked against the right c library will run on windows [21:16] Portable Executable [21:16] nyRednek: there's a format for it, just like .com that defines the file structure [21:17] the point being was t help trhodes understand what elf means [21:17] and not the jolly elf we see once a year [21:17] well, i sort of understand elf [21:18] elf is pretty complicated :) [21:18] :P machine language is complicated, hehe [21:19] nyRednek: last I checked, elf was the final file, not the object code to be linked [21:19] it is the final file [21:19] but I understand your ponit [21:19] point [21:19] alisonken1home: that it is [21:20] alisonken1home: i say if you linked as elf, against the correct c library, with the correct calls, you'll have an elf executable that windows will run [21:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.120.144.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:20] if you link a program on linux, it will not run on windows [21:21] not even if you copy your libraries over [21:21] gniks: there is a chance of cross-compilation [21:21] C is not like Java or .NET [21:21] it is to low level to work or work reliably if at all [21:22] our developers at work had this argument the other day [21:22] gniks: i've done it...it just needs the correct api installed [21:22] having an intermediary API isn't cross compilation per say :p [21:22] its like ndiswrapper for wireless drivers [21:23] takes a windows dll and wraps it up into something the linux kernel can run [21:23] but its not compiled for linux [21:23] gniks: heh...i've also used prc-tools to compile palm prc's [21:23] gniks: and cross-compiled for m68k [21:23] yes, but your telling the compiler to create a binary for a specific platform, which isn't linux [21:24] gniks: the same when you compile -lwin32 [21:24] sure if you have all the windows libraries you can use gcc on linux to create a windows binary [21:24] gniks: actually - you can compile windows programs _on_ a linux box - you just can't compile a program _for_ linux and expect it to run on a windows box :) [21:24] ght [21:24] right* [21:24] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:24] that is correct [21:25] gniks: we're taking the same stance [21:25] gniks: running an executable via a wrapper is not the same thing [21:25] the way nyRednek stated the comment, it sounded like he was taking a linux binary and running it on windows [21:25] gniks: that's not what i meant [21:25] k [21:25] got it :p [21:25] gniks: although I agree with how it sounded, I understood what he meant :)) [21:25] im multitasking :p [21:26] and its english, can't expect everyone to get it hehe [21:26] i also stated that the lower-level binary format is quite irrelevant, as long as the processor can read it [21:26] s/read/interpret/ [21:27] that's what emulators and wrappers do [21:27] and the api environment is correctly implemented [21:27] Nick change: slck-o -> |Slacker| [21:27] in other words, it's possible to make a windows elf, an os/2 a.out, etc [21:28] windows doesn't use elf, but yes [21:28] what is difference between ELF and a.out? [21:28] wasd: shared libraries are the difference i know of... [21:29] wasd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_executable_file_formats [21:29] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:29] wasd: an a.out binary must load a copy of a particular library for each binary using it...an elf binary can load that library into memory once, and all binaries using it can access it at once [21:30] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) joined ##slackware. [21:30] think MS format files :) [21:30] isn't that more of a function of the library system in your OS and not the binary format? [21:30] at least MS-DOS [21:30] gniks: no - it's a spec in the file format [21:31] similar to recursive functions - they have to be programmed to allow recursion (or multiple access) [21:31] gniks: libraries may also be a.out or elf [21:31] nyRednek, thanks [21:31] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:31] gniks: considering that libraries are binaries as well [21:31] right [21:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] slightly different though [21:32] gniks: the difference, one is a executable binary, or a binary lib [21:32] well, you can't just execute a library, and the format is a bit different than an executable in itself [21:33] bender183 (~taco@unaffiliated/bender183) joined ##slackware. [21:33] lo [21:33] hi bender183 [21:33] hba (~hba@189.188.35.201) joined ##slackware. [21:33] s/is a/is either a/ [21:34] :p that doesn't grammatically make sense [21:34] and in the meantime, i'm compiling webkit [21:34] gniks: the difference, one is _either_ a executable binary, or a binary lib [21:35] makes sense to me :) [21:35] on a really *really* slow machine [21:35] who was panzer? [21:35] hba: long-time slacker [21:35] hba: had been using slack about as long as i have [21:35] nyRednek: o_O? [21:35] how long? [21:36] nyRednek: how much is that? [21:36] bender183: i've been slacking since 1996 [21:36] Action: bender183 guesses since 95 [21:36] ooo [21:36] bender183: iirc, he had been since 94 or 95 [21:36] *count it* [21:36] well, I've been using slack since SLS in 93 - just not a hard-core hacker :) [21:36] i have never used slackware [21:37] and im not trolling [21:37] oh, i see... im still new to slackware, since 2005 :) [21:37] I remember the flap when linux went from a.out to elf - pat had selectable a.out/elf formatted files [21:37] not sure why i never did [21:37] your just not cool bender183 ;) [21:37] well yes, thats part of it [21:38] :) [21:38] alisonken1home: i don't remember that, since i came in at 3.5 [21:38] alisonken1home: and it was all elf by then, iirc [21:38] yep [21:38] so far so good, my kernel booted, but i am getting that WARNING: All config files used .config: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will be ignored in a future release [21:38] how do I turn that off again? [21:38] there was only one year where a.out/elf format was the option for file format [21:38] alisonken1home: what, was that in slack 2? [21:38] KaMii: mv /etc/modprobe.d/sound /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf [21:39] oh ya, thanks, i will write that down [21:39] nyRednek: there was no "real" version 2 - it was Slackware95 [21:39] alisonken1home: slackware 96, even? [21:39] slackware95 - nice [21:39] alisonken1home: and i thought that was aka 3.0 [21:39] huge middle finger to win95 [21:39] nyRednek: ok - might have been slackware06 :) [21:39] gotta love that [21:39] 96 [21:40] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-228-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:42] hey gniks how exactly are we going to do SAN replication? [21:42] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-30-228-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] have you heard anything about that ? [21:43] with messenger pidgins [21:43] wow [21:43] rodrigo_golive (~Rodrigo@201-66-84-13.ctaje700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: i'm chargin mah lazer [21:43] i guess the new 3par does have some pretty coo new features [21:43] SAN replication has to be done with either a leased line, MPLS with VPN, or over the internet with VPN [21:44] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:44] we have the oc3 [21:44] thats not enough [21:44] rfc 1149 :o [21:44] but alot of stuff traverses it [21:44] im trying to figure out what to do about njn HA [21:45] and it looks like the best options involve using a san unforutently [21:45] 1149 will not work for our needs [21:45] 21:39 < gniks> with messenger pidgins <-- :P [21:45] haha, what, no one here knows a joke when they see one? :p [21:45] yes andarius its the latest in 3par technolgy [21:46] I was supporting your joke with a technical reference... ;) [21:46] ah heehe [21:46] Action: gniks fail [21:46] andarius: rfc1149: tcp over carrier pidgeon [21:46] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html [21:47] sigh [21:47] could always go up a level and use frc 2549 [21:47] ok - it was the pidgin misspelling making someone think of the client rather than the transport :) [21:47] ok screw this - i have to just put the SAN out of my mind - no active active i guess [21:48] alisonken1home: how long do you think that would take to send one email? [21:48] alisonken1home: i don't even want to think about irc/web surfing [21:49] nyRednek: I forgot where I read it, but there was an actual college study on avian latency for network use :) [21:49] college student did it [21:49] for a thesis IIRC [21:49] alisonken1home: some people have too much time on their hands [21:49] haha [21:49] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:49] yeah cause no one uses it [21:49] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [21:49] alisonken1home: it'd make more sense to do so via shortwave radio [21:50] figabo (~MacOSX@200.52.176.144) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:50] nyRednek: in that case, I think is was a compsci student trying to get back at his prfessor :) [21:50] alisonken1home: heh [21:52] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [21:52] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6BBEB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:15] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-030.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:15] in fact, it bomb sit [22:15] bombs* [22:16] like as if it were forkbombing- [22:16] cant say bomb today, its the anneversary of the Atomic Bomb drop on Hiroshima today... wait until tomorrow [22:16] ... [22:16] as long as you're not around a cop or LAX [22:16] anyone good with reg exp's in kde? [22:17] It happened, get over it, just don't do it again I say. [22:17] fatalnix: you using the fglx driver from ATI? [22:17] (the whole world war II atomic bomb thing) [22:17] gniks: not possible. [22:17] why is that not possible? [22:18] because ATI ropped support on all my ATI cards like a year ago. [22:18] no they didn't [22:18] and it's incompatible with X and the kernel for anything past 12.2 [22:18] they still support the RadeonHD [22:18] not true [22:18] Not r5 [22:18] im running it at work [22:18] on slack 13.1 [22:18] with a r5x [22:18] gniks: as fatalnix says, ATI is not continuing support for some models of cards [22:19] some [22:19] but the RadeonHD cards are supported [22:19] my 512MB x1650 and all it's cousins were wiped from support. [22:19] not all of them [22:19] this laptop has an x1300 [22:19] which specific card do you have fatalnix? [22:20] so its not a RadeonHD [22:20] radeon works fine for a few things butRaeonHD performs better. [22:20] figabo (~MacOSX@200.52.176.144) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:20] it's an r5x, it's one of the cards worked on for the RaeonHD driver. [22:20] RadeonHD is r5, r6, and r7 [22:21] not nessesarily for ATI HD series. [22:21] well good luck with using obsolete hardware [22:21] it's not -that- obsolete [22:22] tell that to ATI [22:22] oh I know it [22:22] many people did [22:22] if its over 3 months old, your outdated :p [22:22] they dropped support early on a lot of cards [22:22] because they thought the open source drivers were good enough [22:22] i hate ATI& i much prefer nvidia, their drivers are better too [22:22] they both suck, honestly. [22:23] in that case they all suck [22:23] There are a lot more choices than ATI and NVidia [22:23] some of them you need contracts for, etc but definately. [22:23] yeah, but i trust nvidia more& have had bad run ins with others [22:24] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:24] my home desktop is nvidia - so far been working well, including cube and wobly windows [22:24] yeah [22:24] nvidia has some nice cards [22:24] Ilike the XGI and Xena cards [22:24] Xena changed their name toKea or something [22:25] oh yeah [22:25] and check out this motherboard I'm contemplating buying [22:25] http://www.directron.com/z8nad6c.html [22:25] the only thing stopping me is that the cheapest CPU for it is 300 [22:26] and I can't find any dummy socket placements to just buy one cpu with and get another one later [22:26] so I'd have to buy 2 [22:27] jhw_ (~jhw@p548D6D0B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] Would be a kickass workstation to throw BSD orSlackware on [22:28] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) left irc: Quit: stupid identify-msg [22:28] how many could afford it... [22:29] the motherboards only 250 bucks [22:29] I probably could - if the wife would let me :) [22:29] Like I said the downside is the processors [22:29] it holds up to 48 Gigs of ram too [22:29] that would be a kick ass gaming machine [22:29] is that pxi-e x16 [22:29] ? [22:29] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [22:29] I think it is, but I don't care honestly [22:29] coul dbe agp really [22:29] for all I care [22:30] nothing made today is AGP :p [22:30] jhw (~jhw@p548D6EED.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:30] it takes server and desktop power supplies [22:30] AGP isn't that bad. The thing is everything is kind of going downhill in design [22:31] if you think of it, even hardware is becoming bloatware [22:31] AGPs bandwidth is limiting [22:31] but no one really makes (or advertises that they do) AGP slotted boards [22:31] i was not talking about the mobo... pair it with 2 xeons,48gb of ram, one intel ssd and some wd green hdd for storage [22:31] it is? it's limiting? might I remind you the capabilities of an SNES picture processing chip? [22:32] of course they weren't doing a lot else but still, I mean, come on, seriously [22:32] and no, i think this is NOT a gaming rig [22:32] wd sucks because they don't support linux - all their tools only work on windows [22:32] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:32] SNES is an integrated compact design [22:32] yes [22:32] an SNES isn'g going to play WoW, or X Plane [22:33] you could. [22:33] what is it that you would like ported ? as i cant think of anything [22:33] anyone good with reg exp's in kde? [22:33] :D [22:33] that would be awesome [22:33] well not on an SNES [22:33] snes? [22:33] because you'd never load it into memory [22:33] i feel old... [22:33] anyway, good night [22:33] lol [22:33] you wouldn't even be able to process the graphics [22:33] even if you had the memory [22:34] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-157-180.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] well, you know what half the crap is, everyone is using physical RAM to load all of the music, sounds, and even texture data, if the video card doesn't take the textures, that's some high densitydata, so now all of the nice an organized memory stack is tainted with a load of junk. I think that specifications might become a bit flattened if someone were to add onto the architecture model and add a high density storage accumulator or something, sep [22:39] It's an idea I came up with a week or two ago. [22:39] hey folks [22:39] neat idea, sounds expensive [22:39] and Apple used to do it [22:40] in a nutshell it could even just be faster DMA interfaced memory (if there were enough DMA channels left) seperate from teh rest [22:40] the* [22:40] yeah [22:41] well they could engineer in another DMA channel for that as well& since it would take a slight architecture change anyway :p [22:41] Sir_Konrad (~Sir_Konra@unaffiliated/sir-konrad/x-6204516) left irc: Quit: Sir_Konrad [22:42] with that you could even add instructions so that, say if you had a shitload of texture pallettes in that storage unit, you could provide a far doubly linked pointer or something to the video card and it'd just start loading textures and everything like structures directly from that memory [22:42] there are some companies that do just that [22:43] yeah [22:43] definitely some memory storage optimizations to be had [22:43] we have a few systems that with 80GB/s memory bandwidth [22:43] people could actually go back to using less than a gig of RAM [22:44] because it'd all be program code. [22:44] depends [22:44] heck, embedded systems might even go back to 64K [22:44] some programs, or groups of them get rather large [22:44] I doubt 64K but then again you can do a heckload with 64K [22:45] if you're careful and organized and don't fragment [22:45] you can't run an apache webserver on 64k :p [22:45] and you sure as hell cant run windows :p [22:45] nobody's interested in going backwards in time, unless you're talking about fringe cases [22:45] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-31-169.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] 64 thousand bytes, that's pretty near at least 20,000 instructions, more likely about 40,000 depending how you do it. [22:46] well [22:46] it also depends on if you're using 32 bit instructions, etc [22:46] and what program do you know today, that the users use, that fit in that? [22:47] I forgot the name [22:47] sec [22:47] http://c64web.com/ [22:47] check out how fast that website is [22:47] fringe [22:47] lol [22:47] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:47] totally fringe [22:47] it's hoested on a c64 :) [22:47] you aren't going to run a dynamic page on that [22:48] academic exercise. moving on [22:48] apparently some people want to use contiki- it seems it's called [22:48] i still think it's really cool [22:49] especially since the site is very responsive [22:49] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@unaffiliated/sigmavirus24) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:50] it also has a 24K image [22:50] :D [22:50] lulz [22:52] the devnet group is for all net devices or for someone in particular? [22:53] but yeah, if you can write a filesystem driver, parse a directory, load a file into memory and execute it with only 510 bytes, I'd imagine you could do a good webserver with 64K, dynamic even if you stored data offsite for the actual page content, etc [22:53] you mean netdev? [22:54] I use netdev for wireshark iirc [22:54] you woudl actually have to use a larger system for the offsite storage [22:54] don't forget about your device buffers too, and disk caches [22:54] fatalnix: eip, sorry. [22:54] whichis fine, you could just transport data and send it through [22:54] also, you will never get a high performance web cluster with 10 million hits a month running on that [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:55] oh I dunno, network stacks can be really fast in an intranet [22:55] faster than anyone would care to notice [22:55] fatalnix: ok, since im creating a vde_switch control&management socket, im gonna use that group :) [22:55] this is internet not intranet though [22:56] well, I know it sounds a bit strange, but usually when I say offsite in terms of a computer and not a workgroup, I mean a machine somewhere else in the intranet [22:56] other than that, offsite servers from workgroups, etc I consider WAN, etc [22:57] either way, its impractical [22:57] I just knew that you wouldn't want to store the content on the same machine [22:57] pattakosn (~pattakosn@ppp079166116115.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:59] The server might be nearly uncomparably stable though [22:59] because all it's doing period is handling requests [22:59] doubtful& you can't do a lot of input checks, etc&. to secure it [23:00] course you could. They would slow it down a bit but that is also in the act of recieving content. [23:00] so the machine sort of has spare time on its hands [23:00] Razec (~razec@187.34.23.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:00] well, put together a proof of concept [23:01] show it in action [23:01] lol [23:02] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl12-90-141.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [23:02] ooo [23:03] I just read something about a teletype adapter you can hook to the commodore and hook up to a modem [23:03] lol nice [23:03] yeah [23:03] found out from this design [23:03] http://home.ica.net/~leifb/bbs/ [23:03] of course that one is bloated in a way [23:04] the VIC 1011A is the teletype to rs232 device [23:05] apparently you can use it to mae your commodore a telnet server [23:05] mae* [23:05] frigging k key [23:05] lol [23:05] make* :) [23:05] I have a few keys that aren't working well [23:05] and the space bar has two dead zones [23:05] so what are you gonna serve up on your commodore? 8 bit games? :p [23:06] that would be cool [23:06] a month ago I imagined something that would have changed gaming forever. [23:06] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-73-24-226.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:06] an rs232 port on the NES. [23:06] lol [23:07] fatalnix: with the famicom accessories? [23:08] nachox (~Ignacio@OL147-242.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:10] maybe [23:10] Did you see that duck I got!? HOLD ON! Duck hunt is still downloading the flash frame! [23:11] Then, everyonewould hack eachothers games and it would still be fun [23:11] and the dog chuckles on...;*) [23:11] lol [23:12] There are two dogs here, they fight for my attention [23:12] Well, they compete at least [23:13] Razec (~razec@187.34.17.213) joined ##slackware. [23:14] lol...remember i-mockery.com talking about the dog from Duck Hunt... http://www.i-mockery.com/blabber/2008/03/08/you-can-shoot-the-dog-from-duck-hunt-hallelujah/ [23:15] john_dee (~id@78-106-242-1.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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