[00:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [00:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:01] mwnn: hmmmm i'll have to look into that. in cli compilinf at the moment [00:01] kingbeowulf: ok [00:04] Indoctrinate (n=Abutters@ZD077064.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:04] Alan_Hicks: ping [00:06] * UBUNTU rant * I have a 500GB partition served up via NFS to my mini home network using either SLAMD64 12.2 or SLACKWARE64 13.0. All the Slackware/SLAMD64 boxes (12.2, 13.0) can mount r/w but the 2 ubuntu laptops are only ro. weird. same mount options. [00:06] even stranger, the G3 Mac 10.4.11 can mount r/w [00:06] PAM versus non-PAM? [00:07] knew a Pam in college. fun slut [00:07] oh wait..... [00:07] Kamel (i=Kamel@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] rworkman, pying? [00:09] I'l have to look in to PAM when I sober up. Only reason we have Ubuntu/Xubuntu is we volunteer at Free Geek (Portland, OR) [00:09] firedix (n=firedix@host139.200-45-147.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:10] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:10] firedix (n=firedix@host139.200-45-147.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:11] ivan__ (n=ivan@159.71.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [00:11] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:11] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [00:12] i would probably bring up that it works on other linux distributions [00:12] and other non-linux distributions [00:12] (i.e. "works fine here, must be your distribution" or "must be your configuration") [00:12] usually "must be your configuration" works well enough with n00bz [00:12] then they give up until they have time to read the entire man page etc [00:12] or switch distributions (which is even funnier) [00:12] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:13] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] well, I've forgotten much of anything I learned ..... [00:13] learned about what? [00:13] Kamel (i=Kamel@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: [00:13] Kamel (i=olawd@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Indoctrinate: pyong [00:14] yes, that's the problem...cant remember [00:14] anyway. I'll check into the Ubuntu config some more esp re: PAM [00:16] Sweet.. unbuntu has a howto. [00:16] your mom has a HOWTO [00:17] #wine [00:17] your mom IS a howto [00:17] har har [00:17] #whine? 8-) [00:18] exactly :) [00:18] another fail hahaha [00:18] firedix (n=firedix@host139.200-45-147.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] Kamel (i=olawd@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:20] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:21] so Hal is dieing off [00:22] Action: Indoctrinate gets out the defibrulator [00:23] he just wasn't the same after Jupiter. [00:23] turned into a serious nut case [00:25] j0z_ (n=j0z@201.47.8.88.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:25] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] hey. Everyone! go to distrowatch and click on slakware. flat at 660 hits per day at #11. We can break 10th place! [00:26] *slackware [00:26] Please don't recommend that. [00:26] ? [00:26] kingbeowulf, that's retarded [00:26] hits != stability of the distro [00:26] it not like is a tru metric [00:26] Distrowatch is pointless anyway, but let the numbers reflect what they reflect - don't try to manipulate them. [00:26] just watched a movie called "The Hurt Locker" pretty good [00:26] anyone who bases what distro they use on popularity is ... silly [00:26] Action: Indoctrinate needs a hurt locker [00:27] can i borrow one? i got someone i may want to put in it [00:27] nv4phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:27] lol [00:27] see this is what ethanol on a sat night does [00:27] Nick change: Indoctrinate -> TwinReverb [00:27] Kamel (i=olawd@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] rworkman: you are perhaps too ethical [00:28] Nick change: TwinReverb -> MrMeticulous [00:29] Perhaps, but I prefer it over the alternative. [00:30] Kamel (i=olawd@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:30] how do u find which distro is more popular? is there a pole somewhere on the net? [00:30] there isn't really any alternative. But one must leave room for a bit of whimsy and a good practical joke. [00:30] crashdata: umm read reports right now it's like ubuntu [00:31] Nick change: MrMeticulous -> BringingSexyBack [00:32] i know eh...ubuntu..i tried it its not bad [00:32] BringingSexyBack: no doubt you live in you parent's basement with that moniker [00:33] it was given to me by the men and women out at the 1st special operations group, helicopter maintenance squadron [00:33] Action: fredoslack love ubuntu [00:33] it's on my going away present [00:33] when i was using it i felt guilty so i went back to slack lolz [00:33] i'm busy changing life concept [00:33] i.e. irc nickname [00:34] i've used linux on and off since redhate 5.2 then i found out the hardway when i recompiled the kernel so i went to slack [00:34] be it known to all that this is TwinReverb and i have officially dropped that irc nickname [00:34] i will be changing nicknames soon [00:34] yes all the random dictionary nicknames were all mine [00:35] (i am not using this nickname either fwiw) [00:35] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> Indoctrinate [00:35] "Another saturday night and he ain't got no body....." [00:36] Nick change: Indoctrinate -> Passionate [00:37] Nick change: Passionate -> ChickenLittle [00:37] who here just purely use linux on their home pc? [00:37] crashdata, me [00:37] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:38] Nick change: ChickenLittle -> Delahunt [00:38] Delahunt for how long now? [00:38] i have no idea, whenever 9.1 came out is roughly when i started using slackware [00:38] before that i had a few months of mandrake and redhat [00:39] ok i need to cycle my irc client, sorry for the nickname flooding [00:39] Action: Delahunt had to de-register some stuff [00:39] Delahunt (n=Abutters@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] anyone else? [00:39] crashdata... i'm up to 95% linux as of 4 yrs ago. Just addicted to a few games in widers [00:40] most win games will now run in WINE. (well Wing Commander series is is bit tough) [00:40] kingbeowulf what made u changed to linux? [00:41] Delahunt (n=robert@ZD077064.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:41] Blue screen of death. I once consulted/repaired win PC for home users (damn geek squad). got tired of issues, MS bullshit and patches, and that "what the...?" feeling [00:42] windows 98 locking up every 5-10 minutes drove me to Linux, been using Slackware ever since [00:42] ahhh.. [00:42] wow.. [00:43] i installed slack again....but this time i find that i can do pretty much everything I did on windows [00:43] I like the stability of being able to leave PC on for weeks and have it just work. [00:43] only issue i have is that it takes a while to get it running to where u want it to be [00:44] but in a way i like it that way also [00:44] Slackware gives you the power to make it be what you want it to be [00:44] it's a psychological thing. slackware promises nothing but delivers everything. not like some other distro that promises something but then lets you down [00:44] Proprietary systems but you on a box of their decisions [00:45] cretsiah (n=cretsiah@unaffiliated/cretsiah) joined ##slackware. [00:45] for me i have nothing against windows... [00:45] but i like learning stuff... [00:45] is one thing that i like linux...there is always something to learn. [00:45] Nick change: Meckafet1 -> Meckafett [00:45] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:46] On the other hand. a little compitition is good. I have Win7 running in a VM under SLAMD64. Might be MS best one yet for a change [00:46] Delahunt (n=robert@ZD077064.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:46] i think so to..but they took alot from linux gui i think [00:46] Action: cretsiah is a constant linux noob :) [00:47] I like that news release that the had to pull a utility due to GPL non-compliance [00:47] how u can just grab the title bar to minimize [00:47] kingbeowulf: yeah, I have had to work the win7 and it seems a lot better than vista [00:47] i had win7 rc running on 512meg ram :) [00:47] win7 is like win2k to win98 :) [00:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:48] its funny how xp had a better piracy security than vista or win 7 lolz [00:49] only if you added all the service packs and 3rd party apps. [00:50] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-96-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] but even if win7 cures all ills, MS ain't getting my money. I mean, come on, 5 versions? [00:51] hehe [00:51] they are giving out for free to students at least [00:51] its the price that hurts me :( [00:51] i missed college lolz [00:51] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:52] used to give us MSDN account [00:52] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [00:52] im @ uni but there systems dont like the newer ie7+ ?? [00:52] but they only give business edition i believe [00:52] which equivalent to xp pro [00:53] they are giving away the pro version to students too [00:53] i just graduated this summer...talk about looking for job.. [00:53] nice [00:53] good luck [00:53] im only just starting :) [00:53] "technology students" that is [00:54] i'm about to go off grid ;;> [00:54] english and business majors and the like have to pay $29 [00:54] i still dont have a job...its garbage lolz ... [00:54] 29 is good :) [00:54] wrong attitude - you are "self employed" [00:54] hahaha..no kidding.. [00:54] i should put that down on my resume [00:55] maybe i'll join the army lolz....work in their tech department [00:55] do it [00:55] i have the brochures already [00:55] and the application form [00:56] hell. I did. made up business cards, and registered company name (sole proprietorship) etc. Hell, looked better than "unemplyed" esp with new wife and baby (this was 19 yrs ago) [00:56] just need my highschool and college transcript [00:56] no don't join army [00:56] my dad was a lifer [00:56] i dont live at home to..shit.. [00:56] i live with my g/f she's graduating this december [00:57] i dotn know army is not bad i think :).. [00:57] sweet - do that. I ended up marrying mine [00:57] kingbeowulf, I'll be doing something similar when i get to graduate [00:57] nice.. [00:57] military service is good [00:57] business name and all that i mean [00:57] thinking of joining..airforce or army [00:57] either that accepts me will do lolz [00:58] I'm just not crazy about military service (Im in USA - the land of perpetual war) [00:58] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] i'm in Canada we're peace keeper :) [00:59] lolz [00:59] crashdata: if you do, make sure of the carreer path. dont end up front line with a gun. [00:59] i thought they got to fly their planes from nevada and go back home to the missus :) [00:59] no i'm applying in their computer field [00:59] Technology rocks. [00:59] If you have computer skills you shouldn't see combat [00:59] i'm not gonna be a gunner screw that [01:00] learn to code if you don't know how to already [01:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:00] i'm a network kind of guy....i can read code [01:00] but i suck at programming. [01:00] a blunt way of putting it [01:01] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Action: cretsiah is doing comp course to learn bout java :( [01:01] i remember java programming in college lolz [01:01] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZD077064.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:02] the java docs make it easy [01:02] well i still run winblows alot and i have to turn java off in processes cos it bottle necks the comp :( [01:02] all i learned was to take the exam from that course lolz [01:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:04] cretsiah: this is ur first year right? [01:04] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [01:04] coding is just another language ... just takes time to learn the lingo. If you are skilled at advanced math, algorithms are trivial. Used to need squeeze signal processing code into 64K (z80 CPU) [01:05] yup will be my first yr starting 2010 [01:05] and that incuded leaving space for the stepper motor code [01:05] Ahh...1st year....brings back memories.... [01:06] lol im 34 starting uni (online comp course) :) [01:06] lolz my first year i used to go to class hang over [01:07] to take exam [01:07] then go home to sleep it off [01:07] bong hits [01:07] cretsiah: better late than never [01:07] lolz... [01:07] Action: cretsiah needs to make the brain start working b4 it collapses from a)bordem, b)doing SFA [01:07] we jsut drank alot in highschool....hahaha.. [01:08] i mean college lolz [01:08] we smoke weed alot in highschool htough [01:08] BC weed :) [01:08] that was my biggest obstical to a college degree [01:08] doing shrooms wile studying [01:08] good times [01:08] lol [01:09] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [01:09] slackware still olds the record for minimum ram requirements? (32megs) [01:09] at some point i had to beg one of my prof to give me 'F' instead of in complete [01:09] lol [01:10] I took a couple W's, better than f or incomplete [01:10] 2nd year came i meet my g/f then all the fun stuff disappeared :) [01:10] cretsiah:; however, not with the stock kernels on the 12.2 and 13.0 install DVD [01:10] the CD/DVD wont' boot with so little ram [01:11] bummer :( [01:12] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-207-50.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:12] ive gto a debian running @ the moment with (according to conky) 43-57meg ram [01:12] just make a USB boot stick or floppy. can be done. [01:12] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Mefached (n=jonathan@c-75-65-53-44.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "batteries suck....." [01:13] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@142-25-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:14] is there a net-installer for slackware? [01:14] The huge kernel has gotten a bit bloated [01:14] kingbeowulf: It's called a huge kernel for a reason, is it not? [01:14] lol [01:14] good one [01:15] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZD077064.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] Question about Slackware 13.0: does Slackware brand Xfce at all or does it come looking as normal? [01:15] slackware can be installed from anywhere. [01:15] vanilla [01:16] Mefached: Slackware leaves things alone [01:16] Mefached: no branding. comes up plain [01:16] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Great. That's exactly what I wanted. [01:16] I'm tired of distros branding everything. It tends to complicate things more than I'd like. [01:16] Mefached: yep [01:16] But when we say "vanilla" and "plain" we mean it! [01:16] Masterx831 (i=1000@adsl-235-213-54.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] hey [01:17] what is the command again ./configure prefix/usr= [01:17] I do like the Slackware lilo boot screen though, especially the 64bit one [01:17] Slackware is function. Customizing is your job. [01:17] I'm on Vector Linux right now, and it looked promising, but I've given up on caring about KDE 3.5 in face of the ridiculous issues I'm having with it. [01:17] Vector's repos contain a version of Wesnoth that isn't compatible with the version of boost contained in said repos. [01:17] ./configure /prefix=usr [01:18] i thought kde3.5.9 was the most stable out of kde? [01:18] It is. [01:18] I'm having issues with Vector, not KDE 3.5 [01:18] kde 3.5.10 was the one [01:18] Masterx831: --prefix=/usr [01:18] kingbeowulf: Debian uses 3.5.9 with some changes, and it's pretty stable [01:18] frullet: thanks :-) [01:18] never an issue I didn't cause [01:19] depends on the flags, often something like "./configure --prefix=/usr" [01:19] Does anyone here actually recommend KDE 4.2.4? Obvious Pat does... [01:19] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65210ad.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [01:19] The new KDE 4 architecture buffudles me. I use XFCE [01:19] i started getting upset when i found the window managers wouldnt let me log in as root [01:20] cretsiah: If that's what you want to do, I guess. [01:20] So far, from a few systems here at home, KDE 4 seems ok. but I can't find anything where I think it out to be [01:20] lxde, kde, gnome especially on ubuntu and the like [01:20] Ubuntu doesn't even have root\ [01:20] only ant to log in as root for updates and stuff [01:20] bastards... [01:21] want* [01:21] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:21] this su, sudo stuff im not keen on [01:22] Well, once this 13.0 DVD finishes, I'll install it [01:22] One question though: in the 12.2 installation list, I came to a menu asking me about my mouse, which is a touchpad [01:22] I didn't see anything that said anything about touchpads [01:23] I only have slackware boot directly to GUI fro the wife. I ssh to do any maintenance. my system goes to CLI [01:23] kingbeowulf: My girlfriend uses a Mac. :/ [01:24] Mefached: so she uses Unix! [01:24] But not because of Unix [01:24] Or because she knows anything about Unix [01:24] She happens to use Unix [01:24] lol [01:25] i have to w8 30 days to et my download bandwidth back :( [01:25] get* [01:25] Mefached: as for the touchpad, you should be ok selecting ps2 [01:26] OK, ps2, got it [01:27] any1 use wpa? [01:27] yes [01:27] we're a wep only channel [01:27] slackware does it easily? wpa-psk [01:28] there's this gui thing called wicd which makes it to it "easier" [01:28] actually eassier to use wicd. its in /extra now [01:28] mancha: "easier"? [01:29] ok cool some1 else mentioned wicd but it was an extra download :( [01:29] NaCl? [01:29] now its on the DVD in /extra [01:29] not much good if the comp ur trying to install on only has wpa-psk connection [01:29] mancha: nvm [01:30] works very well. ASSUMING you have the wifi drivers loaded and that can be a bitch for some chipsets [01:30] kingbeowulf: One of those chipsets wouldn't be broadcom 43xx, would it? [01:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:30] dlink dwa=510 (Ra something chipsets) [01:31] actually, broadcom has a binary blob d/l that works [01:31] when i see someone ask "does slackware do wpa easily" i assume they are coming from an "if it ain't a gui applet it's hard" position [01:31] mancha: gb2 ubuntu amirite [01:32] we have the BCM4312 running on an ACER laptop [01:32] b43 is also making progress on the different 4312's no? [01:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZD077064.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:32] mancha: wicd automates it. you can alwaye stick with rc.wireless [01:33] mancha: yeah [01:33] One of the things that pleases me most about the Slackware derivatives I've been using is how easy it is for me to spoof my MAC which is required for me to use my home ethernet connection [01:33] wicd is hangy for wifi hotspots [01:33] It was so easy to write the script in Slackware. Ubuntu/Debian not so much [01:33] NaCl, so i defaulted to suggesting wicd as i presume wpa_supplicant would not fall into his "easily" category [01:33] Gotcha. [01:34] Yeah, I don't mind using wpa_supplicant by itself. [01:34] Until I have to move around. [01:34] NaCl, any special deps i need for the latest wicd (gonna give it a test drive since i hear so much about it) :) [01:35] Nope. [01:35] It may break in places (alpha) [01:35] And has been know to crash with dhclient. [01:35] what requirements does the gui have? [01:35] pygtk [01:35] It's unchanged from the previous version9s) [01:36] any particular version (or higher)? [01:36] The one included in slack is fine. [01:36] Latest = the 1.7 alpha, right? [01:36] i ask because not all my boxen are 13! [01:36] Slack contains Wesnoth, right? Easily installation of Wesnoth is kind of a big deal to me. [01:36] Ah. [01:36] Mefached: slackbuilds.org [01:37] mancha: ah. I don't know that. [01:37] So how do people get off to phone sex? I never quite understood that [01:37] for stability, don't jump on the "latest" only the latest stable release [01:38] NaCl ok, hopefully the website details reqs. will check later (some other things on my "to test" list above it) [01:38] mancha: it doesn't, IIRC. [01:39] Mefached: slackware does NOT have a repository in the sense of some others. There are community projects such as slackbuilds.org, slapt-get, and slackpkg [01:39] mancha: INSTALL in wicd says pygtk >= 2.10 [01:39] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [01:39] kingbeowulf: So I assume I will be spending a lot of time at slackbuilds.org for a while. [01:39] ah ok, should be no problem then [01:40] mancha: urwid did not appear in slack until slack 13. [01:40] urwid? [01:40] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [01:40] In case you want to use console interface [01:40] Mefached: the build scripts are easy to use, as are the command line package tools (pkgtool, installpkg, etc) [01:40] Which a lot of people seem to like. [01:41] mancha sorry to upset u :( ive found the wpa-supplicant/network wizards to be faulty or improperly built not sure which [01:41] the ncurses based rquires special python libs, eh, ok. [01:41] ya [01:41] Mefached: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/games/wesnoth/ [01:41] No special deps [01:42] cretsiah you didn't upset me in the least, i was just trying to give yoyu what i thought was the best answer for you. if you prefer to deal with wpa_supplicant (my preference) i can walk you through that too [01:42] wesnoth is surprisingly fun. [01:42] I love playing Wesnoth [01:42] I play pretty much all day when I can [01:43] its gonna have to w8 so maybe 30 days time :) burned out my download limit on faulty debian dvd's :( [01:43] Mefached: we are having a tournament tommrorow join linuxsociety [01:43] hold up [01:43] Masterx831: I'm not very good at all, though [01:43] I just enjoy playing [01:43] where playuying teams agianst cxpu [01:43] download limit? ... that sucks. [01:44] is i drunk or are there a lot of typos? [01:44] lol well i tried to download 4x4.4gig dvd iso's 1x1.3gig and 1x2.9gig [01:44] tommrorow, yoyu, playuying [01:44] Mefached: this is my esktop [01:44] DallaRosa (n=dalla@dn157-047.naist.jp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:45] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left ##slackware (""G'nite kids""). [01:47] agentc0re, i got 25gig fixed then slowed unlimited type limits [01:52] johndee (n=id@95-29-15-99.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:52] howcome slackpkg or slapt-get doesnt have as much files as apt-get? [01:52] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@C-59-100-23-239.for.connect.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:52] morning. [01:52] crashdata: troll troll troll. [01:53] spook++ [01:53] i'm just asking [01:53] it is a much larger distrib (in terms of dev team and userbase) [01:53] gatcha [01:53] johndee (n=id@95-29-15-99.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [01:53] reason y i asked i was wondering if there is another link i can add [01:54] for sources [01:54] johndee (n=id@95-29-15-99.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:54] that carry unsupported appz/files [01:54] like wine i can't find documentation on howto install the damn thing [01:54] slackbuilds.org [01:55] maybe try searching with a tar.gz, tgz or bzip files [01:56] cyborg-o1e (i=1000@nas-12-116.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] thanks sppk [01:56] spook* [01:56] I assume Slackware's not going to complain if I start dicking around with kernel compilation [01:56] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.97.248) joined ##slackware. [01:56] Ubuntu always cried when I did that [01:57] Action: cretsiah breaks ubuntu :(, cant seem to get a grip on arch, [01:57] I [01:57] have broken Ubuntu more times than I can count [01:57] Because I like to mess with things [01:58] i broke it just trying to change window manager :( [01:58] A friend told me I'd be better off with Slackware, so I've been using Zenwalk and/or Vector Linux [01:58] But now I want to try Slackware proper [01:58] Mefached: good idea .. VL is somewhat weird [01:58] so you basically ignored his advice [01:58] cretsiah: The scripts for the installation of the other DEs in Ubuntu tend to mess things up [01:58] lol [01:58] spook: Nah, I didn't want to jump right into Slackware [01:59] which of those is the gnome one, vl? [01:59] BP{k}: I've noticed. There's not a jdk in its repos, for one. This is a little bothersome. [01:59] slack is good :) [01:59] mancha: VL is KDE 3.5, which is the whole reason I picked it [01:59] i feel like a zombie when i used ubuntu [02:00] just like windows.. [02:00] I'm going to have to give up KDE for Slackware, though, since I want to run 13.0 and 4.x is a joke [02:00] Mefached: not to mention they quite alter the startup scripts :) [02:00] Mefached: I already told you what to do. [02:00] BP{k}: I know, but I don't really want to deal with it. I have experience with Xfce. I'll be happy with it. [02:00] Action: cretsiah likes using jwm and installing bits of kde :) mainly the games stuff [02:01] Mefached: of course .. xfce will guarantee your happyness. [02:01] BP{k}: happyness -> as in "Pursuit of Happyness" :) [02:01] Good movie. [02:01] yeah. Liked that one. [02:02] cretsiah: I've liked JWM for things like DSL, but I couldn't do it as a desktop [02:02] ive got jwm and rox :) [02:02] Minimalist, I see [02:03] I'm trying to find something suitable for my P75 [02:03] Even DSL taxes it [02:03] Mefached: I don't use KDE either. I'm more comfortable with fluxbox. Though I use XFCE sometimes. [02:03] lol i try but im still bottom end noob [02:03] I prefer xfce. :) [02:04] Xfce \o/ [02:04] Seems like the Linux Elite prefer Xfce and Fluxbox :P [02:04] I have -never- liked Gnome [02:04] I just find it horrid [02:04] open box?? thats cool [02:05] Mefached: then don't ever try gnome 3 (i.e. atm, gnome-shell) :P [02:05] fire|bird: ? [02:05] fire|bird: s/gnome*$// ;) [02:05] if my choice is gnome or kde ill go kde [02:05] cretsiah: agreed. [02:06] Mefached: gnome 3, I've tried it, if you don't like Gnome now, you'll hate it when gnome 3 comes out. [02:06] Why? What's different? [02:06] almost everything [02:06] improved UI as they say... :P [02:06] does anyone know of a document editor for terminal? [02:06] because there will be 3 of them running around pestering you instead of one. [02:07] for say .doc, .odt [02:07] gnomes aren't easy to get rid of. [02:07] icarus: pico [02:07] vim? ;) [02:07] pico is better :P [02:07] vim can edit .odt? [02:07] agentc0re: from the garden? ;) [02:07] Nick change: hy -> _silver [02:07] emacs? [02:07] Action: agentc0re ducks [02:07] Action: fire|bird slaps agentc0re [02:07] Hey [02:07] lol [02:07] I use emacs >.> [02:07] But I'm a Lisp geek [02:07] So it's excusable [02:07] you poor soul [02:08] Mefached: you dont need emacs to code lisp [02:08] Mefached: poor fella, you must be so parens-y. [02:08] Action: BP{k} stabs agentc0re with a steam powered titanium spork [02:08] both dot and odt are non-flat text files. i don't know of good editors aside from word and *office for those [02:08] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] maybe abiword... [02:08] pico doesn't wrap text [02:08] mancha: Never did like abiword [02:08] Mefached: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/09/gnome-3-quick-visual-tour.html [02:08] icarus: Nano does [02:08] icarus: yah sorry [02:08] so writing sometihing out would just make a really long line [02:08] BP{k}: lol, at least i'd have the cool factor of being stabbed by something that cool. :P [02:08] nvm i thought just any text editor lolz [02:09] hmmm, mcedit is looking promising for this particular job [02:09] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:09] *v* > * [02:09] If you put "unset nowrap" in your .nanorc. Except it actually adds a newline, and it'll screw with menu.lst and the like by breaking up lines [02:09] s/v/vi/ [02:09] icarus: no idea, i always use openoffice [02:10] I use Google Docs [02:10] nah, i was just wondering [02:10] it seems easy other to have one floating around [02:10] aka, one should be written... [02:10] icarus: how are you gonna change to font size and other mumbo jumo in terminal ? or ncurses based ,editors you are assuming about ? [02:11] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OpenDocument [02:12] Nick change: _silver -> hy [02:12] crap , s/to/ / [02:12] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:13] i think, there are to many thing to consider with .doc file [02:13] http://www.cb1.com/~john/computing/emacs/lisp/editing/odf-mode.el Read it and weep [02:13] lolz [02:13] that's a plugin? :O [02:13] Emacs Lisp [02:14] It's what makes Emacs less of a text editor and more of an operating system [02:14] icarus: one choice is LaTex ;) [02:14] cyborg-one (i=1000@nas-12-191.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:14] I guessed so.. :) [02:14] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [02:15] I can't read this! :P [02:15] skaro (n=skaro@ip68-11-174-155.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] dang. this #windows guys don't know shit about windows. how ironic : [02:15] :\ [02:15] isBEKaml: How can you not read that? Do you not know any Lisp? :P [02:15] johndee: what about Doors ? :D [02:15] IRL I invariably pronounce it "lithp" [02:16] Because it makes me laugh [02:16] init[1], now that would cause a BSOD\ [02:16] Mefached: I'm trying to, but my eyes totally go out of focus! :P [02:16] johndee: :P [02:17] i'm now cautious about asking anything harder than where to look for a start button [02:17] %\ [02:17] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-62-163.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] no matter how you size it up, the emacs keybindings are impossible to get used to [02:17] heya MLanden, how are you? [02:17] lol [02:17] johndee: I hosed my own Explorer once and it took the #windows people thirty minutes to tell me to run explorer.exe [02:17] heya,slackers [02:17] and its slow [02:17] heya,fire|bird..doin' great thanks...you? [02:18] MLanden: doing great, thank you. [02:18] Mefached, but they actually said it! :D [02:18] icarus: Emacs was slow twenty years ago. On anything remotely modern, that's simply not true. [02:18] so you're like..lucky :)) [02:18] Mefached: it actually froze up on my dual core last week [02:18] icarus: And the keybindings aren't difficult to get used to at all, not to mention that it has a perfectly good vi mode [02:18] all i told it to do was show line numbers [02:19] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:19] to each is own [02:19] ive got to sleep though [02:19] see ya [02:20] I should probably sleep too [02:26] Does anyone have a suggestion for a QoS monitoring tool that can monitor data flows between two points on a network? [02:26] fire|bird: is there an equivalent to gtkpref for qt? [02:27] MLanden: not that I'm aware of, no. [02:28] MLanden: that would be nice though, I have been using bespin/cloudcity and aurorae engines for kde, it'd be nice to see what the difference among them is. [02:28] fire|bird: you were mentioning messing with their theme engines(qt4),and tried to google it...see their are some dev tools but nothing like an app [02:28] hey fire|bird. what [02:28] up? [02:28] s/their/there [02:29] hey johndee, not much, built kde 4.3.4 on the desktop. you? [02:30] MLanden: yeah, I haven't found an app either, what I have for theming is this atm: http://imagebin.org/74014 [02:30] mwnn (n=user@59.92.156.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:30] fire|bird, nice. me funny. trying to fix windows update and i'm told to, guess what, run windows update %) [02:31] i fix windows update by using Linux 8-) [02:31] fire|bird, hows kde? still ugly? :) [02:31] fire|bird: cool [02:31] johndee: hahaha [02:31] johndee: ugly?!?!?! :P [02:31] fire|bird, jk [02:31] johndee: see that ss I just posted of it? [02:31] i've actually seen some improvement in it's ..hm..look [02:32] fire|bird, nop. mind posting again? [02:32] Titanium_Man (n=Titanium@124-171-68-135.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:32] johndee: http://imagebin.org/74014 [02:33] Is there a way to install Xfce from the install disc? [02:33] Or does it only come with KDE? [02:33] Mefached: installpkg(8), slackpkg(8) [02:33] Mefached: it's in the XAP directory [02:33] OK [02:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:36] Mefached (n=jonathan@c-75-65-53-44.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [02:38] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [02:39] i like using geany or nano :) [02:39] geany is not bad. :) [02:39] Action: ChickenLittle uses nanoo [02:39] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [02:40] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [02:40] where do i get LibGeoIP? [02:40] ImportError: libGeoIP.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [02:41] where'd you get the thing that needs it? [02:41] ChickenLittle, nanoo nanoo??? mork and mindy ?? :) [02:41] its deluge torrent i got it from slackbuilds but there it didnt say it needed it [02:41] cretsiah, yep [02:42] siimo: yes it does. [02:42] Action: cretsiah showing his age :( [02:42] mork and mindy ftw! ;) [02:42] BP{k}: what? [02:42] if you're gonna malign SBo, wait for BPk to be asleep!! [02:43] siimo: nevermind. you are right, it actually doesn't say it .. but you could have easily googled this and found out you need to install GeoIP from SBO :P [02:43] mancha: heh, I just got up ;) [02:43] fire|bird, hahaha. a mix of gnome and os x. i knew that. kde is only needed to emulate a real DE %) [02:43] don't make google excuses, fix the damn sbo page! [02:43] i saw GeoIP on sbo but didnt think it was a library will give it a go thanks [02:43] :) [02:43] fire|bird, looking nice, anyhow [02:43] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:43] mancha: I am doing fuckall except making smartarsed remarks and being sarcastic before 4 coffee ;) [02:43] johndee: haha, yeah, thats actually a theme engine for kde that I installed, the top menu bar is a kde plasmoid. [02:44] fire|bird is a secret mac fanboi ;) [02:44] siimo, good catch :> [02:44] :o [02:44] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@d58-106-26-163.sbr2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:44] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] siimo/bpk: the irony is that in the end this (prolly large) dep is only needed so you can get nice eye-candy country flags [02:45] never had a mac ... had an appleIIc dad owned it :) [02:45] mancha: quite possible, indeed. :) [02:45] fire|bird, yup, that plasmoid looks much like finder's menubar. i can tell after running osx86 for a week. and together they make it look like gnome. wicked :)) [02:46] BP{k}, u didn't know. it MAcFIA [02:46] it's* [02:46] johndee: yeah, it's nice. I've been primarily using Xfce lately and really happy with it. [02:47] but built kde 4.3.4 and had to try it out and see what, if anything really changed, which it hasn't, yet, but 4.4 is looking really nice. [02:47] johndee: I usually just refer to it as the cosa nostra ;) [02:48] BP{k}: with or without the horse head in the bed?...:P [02:48] MLanden: nah, that gets bbq-ed [02:48] lol [02:49] hmm deluge page needs some serious spellchecking [02:49] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [02:51] fire|bird, xfce gut. me likes ^) [02:52] BP{k}, aha. glamour cosa nostra. sounds dangerous %) [02:54] timahvo11 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [02:55] all with apple branded tommys and bright coloured outfits. makes you laugh to death ^)) [02:55] ahh. betta go to sleep [02:55] later [02:56] see ya johndee [03:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:03] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:03] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:04] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:06] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [03:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." 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[03:34] lol,fire|bird [03:35] rhys (n=quassel@c-67-184-74-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:37] omg, http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/123994/original.jpg [03:39] fire|bird: strange..has the appearance of all seasons rolled in one [03:40] haha, http://i.imgur.com/pmxSj.jpg [03:41] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3121D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:41] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-238.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:41] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:42] true...move that comma a few places <---- that way...:P.....drop the $ and tack on a ¢..:D [03:42] haha, yeah, no doubt. [03:42] no way worth $35,000. I doubt it was even worth that when it was new. 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[04:08] DallaRosa (n=dalla@dn157-047.naist.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:10] anyone here installed farsight 2? [04:10] everything shows good during the compilations but still cant get amsn to do calls [04:14] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:14] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [04:15] crashdata: is it throwing any errors? [04:18] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:20] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d75-154-227-166.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:21] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.59) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:23] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.128) joined ##slackware. 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[04:35] no error [04:35] s [04:35] MLanden: no errors [04:35] Jordanlw (n=Jordan@202.61.218.3.static.rev.aanet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:36] crashdata: ok [04:36] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:37] i think i know what i'm doing wrong [04:37] i have to recompile amsn again. [04:37] crashdata: beat me to the punch....was 'bout to ask which version of amsn you're using [04:38] I may be wrong, but my understand is that farsight2 is just an abstraction "library" for various other video/voice stuff; it won't help if you don't have them. [04:38] Farsight from ideal IMHO. [04:39] yah i was a bit lazy to download the other library [04:39] thanks rworkman [04:39] reason i didnt download it i thought they were jsut dependencies [04:39] do i need to uninstall amsn first? [04:40] I had briefly toyed around with trying to make pidgin 2.6.x do video/voice, but I got tired of wading through the deps. We *might* have them all on SBo now, but I don't know what they are offhand. [04:40] when I do a recompilation? [04:40] no [04:40] very few things require that. [04:40] they are all there [04:40] cool...is there anotherway of uninstalling a package without having to do it manually? [04:41] amsn doesnt show on Gslap [04:41] crashdata: build the new one and use upgradepkg(8) [04:41] isntallpkg [04:42] rworkman: what about removing a package? [04:42] nvm [04:42] go figure its remove package [04:42] awesome naming scheme isn't it? [04:43] i blame it on lack of sleep [04:43] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:43] its 1:45am here rightnow :P [04:44] 0345 here. No excuse. [04:45] wow [04:45] central time eh? [04:46] Sun Dec 6 01:46:18 PST 2009 [04:46] yah i'm pacific to [04:48] there should be just one package manager [04:48] it would make life alot easier [04:49] :) [04:49] pkgtools.... [04:49] pkgtool is the combo attack [04:49] amns doesnt show in their [04:49] cant remember i installed this [04:49] if it was compile will it show in pkgtool? [04:50] being compiled or not doesn't decide if a program will show up in pkgtool but being installed as a package or not does. [04:51] if you just used make install to install the program then it won't show up in the package manager [04:51] how do i remove it if installed it that way? [04:51] make, make install [04:52] just do make uninstall? [04:53] if you are lucky you and you still have the configured source tree you can try make uninstall from within the source directory. If deleted or there is not make uninstall target you get to either manually hunt it all down and delete all of the installed files or build a package that matches how the program was initially installed, install the package and then remove it. [04:53] i'm doing the later [04:53] thats what i figured [04:54] one thing... [04:55] well another thing [04:55] i installed wine but its not showing under the application menu on my desktop [04:55] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [04:55] i'm using gnome [04:55] do i have to manually ad it to the list? [04:55] ask the gnome people [04:55] Slackware comes with KDE [04:56] ohh yah gnome is not supported :) [04:56] what do you want to run from the menu, winecfg? [04:56] just acessing the folder [04:57] it just looked cleaner that way than [04:57] thats not standard operating procedure [04:57] going to my homefolder [04:57] there's gotta be a way to add it though [04:57] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:58] there is surely, i am just saying you shoulnd't commplain because the slackbuilds didn't add in a thing that you particularly would like to have on your own system [04:58] that's the beauty of linux: if you want it, make it. [04:58] i'm not complaining [04:58] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZH015084.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:58] i'm asking on how to do it... [04:58] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:59] which file i need to edit [04:59] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [05:00] ok, let's cover some basics. when you say "open your wine folder" what dir, the drive_c one? secondly, and equally as important, open in _what_? [05:00] you see, half the battle is understanding what you really want... [05:00] basically to link the [05:00] .wine folder [05:00] don't gimme windows crap talk [05:00] sn18 (n=user@115.113.116.37) joined ##slackware. [05:00] to my application menu in gnome [05:00] link is not a windows talk [05:01] what application do you wish to use to open the "wine folder" and which directory do you mean? ~/.wine/drive_c ? [05:01] gnome? [05:01] gnome, yes [05:02] basically an access to drive see and program files [05:02] that way [05:02] drive c [05:04] i know its possible... [05:04] i'll look into it tomorrow. [05:04] crashdata: look up nautilus on the web and see how to manipulate it(i.e. nautilus /home//.wine) then look in /usr/share/applications and make a desktop entry(i.e winefolder.desktop) [05:05] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-152-173.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:06] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [05:06] yah no worries...i'm pretty sure its something simple...just a matter of editing somthing [05:07] tantan (n=tt@222.129.43.192) joined ##slackware. [05:08] i just dont like arrogant talk....especially if that person has no clue what they're talking either. [05:08] but thanks for trying to help though MLanden [05:09] crashdata: np...good luck [05:11] yeah i was obnoxious, tired and a bit sick. so time to blow this taco stand... [05:12] get down with the sickness [05:12] nurture it [05:12] i'm going to bed [05:12] \m/ B-) \m/ [05:12] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:13] Inacio (i=1000@80.149.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [05:17] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-207-50.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:17] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:21] fredg (n=fredg@unaffiliated/fredg) left irc: "Leaving." [05:23] Titanium_Man (n=root@124-171-68-135.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:23] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:23] Titanium_Man kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [05:24] Titanium (n=titanium@124-171-68-135.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:28] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-19-235.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] Masterx831 (i=1000@adsl-235-213-54.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:31] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-096-187.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Titanium (n=titanium@124-171-68-135.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [05:48] Hazuki (n=Hazuki@cpe-72-229-137-30.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:48] I am a happy new Slackware convert :) [05:48] congrats,Hazuki [05:49] Thanks <3 I'm setting up multilib and trying to get ZSNES going, now [05:49] Hazuki:What are you converting from? [05:49] Gentoo and Arch [05:50] I still use them (I started on Gentoo in 2004), but Slackk is really nice too. The trifecta :) [05:50] Garak_ (i=garak@142.68.84.183) joined ##slackware. [05:51] hope it's an enjoyable experience,Hazuki [05:51] It is, there are just a few things I need to iron out [05:52] I've compiled a minimal kernel against 2.6.32, and have cut rc.M by about 30% [05:52] Hazuki, what changes did you make to rc.M ? [05:55] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-251-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:55] hi there! :) [05:55] [05:58] hi ChickenLittle [05:58] [05:58] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3121D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [05:59] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [05:59] ChickenLittle: knocking out a lot of if/fi statements, commenting some other checks for services I don't use... [05:59] like... ? [06:00] Garak (i=garak@142.68.133.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:00] LVM, cups, things like that...mostly LUKS and crypto stuff [06:00] i didn't see LVM or LUKS in rc.M are you sure you aren't talkin about rc.S/rc.0/rc.6 ? [06:00] yes [06:00] xlordt (n=xlordt@24.55.70.98) joined ##slackware. [06:01] yeah i guess if you don't need 'em [06:01] makes it easier for me to steal people's data, not using LUKS and all 8-) [06:01] You're welcome to some horrible fanfiction and some softcore yuri if you can break in here [06:07] brb [06:07] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-62-163.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [06:10] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: "Leaving" [06:10] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [06:17] sometimes i wish that i could tell LUKS to use the same master key on my external hard drive as on my built-in hard drive [06:17] so that maybe CPU use during rsync wasn't so high (i.e. direct copy between containers) [06:18] hm...the one thing I don't like about slack so far is it's hard to get out of tree packages in [06:19] this is my fault for wanting 32 bit binaries I guess [06:19] sn18 (n=user@115.113.116.37) left irc: "Leaving." [06:20] Hazuki, huh? are you referring to 32bit compatibility on 64bit? [06:20] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:21] among other things [06:22] but it's hard to get anything on here that's not in the standard package tree, I mean [06:22] there are good repositories like alienBOB and rworkman's repositories [06:22] heck i even have my own for a few small things [06:23] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php [06:23] this one? [06:24] yes sort of [06:24] i was referring to www.slackware.com/~alien but that one links to it [06:24] there's also rlworkman.net [06:25] and my own at www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/packages/ (but i recommend alienbob and rworkman first; i am new) [06:25] I'm trying to install a toolchain, but I keep getting the following err.. ld: cannot find -luuid. I know uuid is part of the efsprogs and I am sure its installed. [06:25] skaro (n=skaro@ip68-11-174-155.br.br.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:25] or at lest how can I check to see if it is installed. [06:25] xlordt, is there a way to specify where it ought to look for these, or is it looking for any specific version, etc? [06:26] ya, let me get that. [06:26] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [06:26] I'll post it. [06:26] xlordt, maybe you need to rerun ldconfig [06:27] ALVAN, I though so.. but after 100 times of running it I figure it is something else. [06:27] one time is enough :) [06:27] http://pastebin.mozilla.org/688755 [06:27] ya lol :) [06:28] just gets annoying after awhile looking at this error. [06:30] xlordt, the toolchain needs 32 bit e2fsprogs or works fine with pure 64 bit libs of e2fsprogs ? [06:30] it says skipping incompatible [06:31] so it does not like the libuuid.a library that you have [06:31] if I am not mistaken its 32 [06:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-251-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [06:32] so, you suggest that I should build the 32bit library? [06:32] then you need alienbob multilib packages of glibc and gcc to compile 32 bit programs [06:32] hmm ya.. you might be right, it does make sense. [06:32] let me search for them. [06:32] hm, maybe I should do Zenwalk... [06:33] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] ALVAN, thanx... going to try them out now. [06:40] xlordt, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/slackware64-compat32/a-compat32/ for e2fsprogs-compat32 [06:40] and http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ the gcc and glibc ones [06:40] you might need libtool-compat32 too [06:40] ya.. was just reading the wiki about that. [06:41] thanx again. [06:41] welcome [06:42] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:44] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:48] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:48] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.232) joined ##slackware. [06:50] hi how do i know i have lapack installed? in slack 13? [06:52] kimjeng ls /var/log/packages | grep lapack [06:53] kimjeng: did you install it? [06:53] ananke: no [06:53] slack doesn't come with lapack, so you'd have to go through extra effort to get it installed [06:54] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-62-163.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] thought that was french, la package [06:54] morning [06:54] mornin' [06:54] hi [06:54] tank-man: french ? lol [06:55] i gotta wash ans shave my kbd [06:56] tank-man: a "package" is masculine ;) [06:56] tripFantastic: what? no shampoo?...:P [06:56] sure [06:56] and a hair cut too [06:56] lol [06:56] if you install java does it come with fop? [06:57] lapack is a fortran math package; can be implemented in any language (it's the ABI) [06:59] it's like 55F degs here; brr [07:00] 'bout 34f here [07:00] k [07:01] my winedows are icy [07:01] I think I may have to go back to Arch, but this has been an interesting experience [07:01] tripFantastic: im at the equator! [07:01] heh [07:01] maybe I just don't have the patience for it right now [07:01] go with what you know. [07:02] probably asked for trouble by going 64-bit [07:02] I really like the initscripts and how much freedom Slack allows though [07:02] try another slack-based dist then [07:03] Zenwalk sounds good [07:03] I don't have any blank CDs though >< [07:04] bummer [07:04] Hazuki: do you have a USB flash drive? [07:05] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-224.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Jordanlw (n=Jordan@202.61.218.3.static.rev.aanet.com.au) left irc: "Leaving." [07:07] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZH015084.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [07:07] MLanden, yes but it's only 256M [07:07] local weather says the temp is actually 42F down here [07:08] brr brr [07:08] Hazuki why are you testing slack? [07:08] tripFantastic: mostly just to expand my horizons [07:08] k [07:08] but I also have a program called eXtace I wish I could get working again [07:08] it's an ESound monitor bnasically [07:08] do you have source? [07:09] yes, I've been working on this for at least a year [07:09] I suspect the problem is esound, not extace [07:09] oh; it's yours? [07:09] No [07:09] have you straced the binaries? [07:09] not yet. All I know is esd has not been behaving for a long time now [07:10] ok; see strace manpage [07:10] I can't even get fftw on this thing...going to have to do a fresh Arch before I can play with this [07:10] my shirt's wet [07:11] ok [07:11] Hazuki: that is small...unlike Slackware..dunno if there's a install package that small which would fit on a usb stick that small [07:11] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.232) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:12] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:13] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:14] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [07:18] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:23] Snewp (i=slacker@unaffiliated/snewp) returned to ##slackware. [09:23] Pig_Pen: my friend owns one of the double character IDN attack sites of google. [09:23] spook: yea u showed it to me the other day, verry 1337 [09:23] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.227) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Tyrael_ (i=pirc30@j111014.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Excess Flood [09:23] Tyrael (i=pirc30@j111014.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Pig_Pen: i am the mafia ;) [09:23] beatzz: finally loaded, after 4 minutes [09:24] spook: u like :D ??? [09:24] hmm, how come i dont have a ~/.links/links.cfg? [09:25] hi if cmake asks for : cmake_build_type , whats supposed to go there? im on slack 13 64bit, im trying to build k3d [09:25] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-104-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:25] francog (i=francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] francog (i=francog@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) got lost in the net-split. [09:26] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-104-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [09:27] nvision (n=nvision@e179137171.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:31] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-207-68-62-163.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [09:33] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:34] Nick change: Tyrael -> Tyrael_ [09:35] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Kamel (i=olawd@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] maybe try ccmake it should open a dialog where you can set the build type [09:38] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.42.180) joined ##slackware. [09:43] kimjeng, try just: mkdir build; cd build; cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ../k3d or something [09:43] ok [09:44] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-152-173.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [09:44] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-152-173.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:51] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "resetting lilo" [09:53] Karu (n=alch@77-233-85-4.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:53] bleh [09:55] rfdrew (n=rfdrew@142-25-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.3 Shiny(svn-3438) http://www.kvirc.net" [09:55] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] there we go. [09:57] RLa (n=rlaanemt@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:58] how to completely recreate user home folder? [09:58] nvision (n=nvision@e179137171.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [09:58] is there a command to remove users? [09:59] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] userdel [09:59] userdel [09:59] userdel, perhaps? Or deluser [09:59] :P [10:00] strange, i have never deleted any user before [10:00] does that wipe the homedir? [10:00] Action: spook hasnt deleted a user either [10:00] I don't think it does. [10:00] if used with -r [10:00] if you use -r [10:00] :D [10:00] (I'm the only user on my computer tho) [10:00] too slow old man! [10:00] thrice`: on my screen i was first both times [10:00] i wrote a script to set everyone's account expiration date to a random date in the future once [10:01] RLa: just read the manpage [10:01] i need to wipe home dir [10:01] oh, I was first one mine :) [10:01] I have thrice` first on both. [10:01] both times? [10:01] my old kde setting screw up kde 4, so have to reconfigure all [10:01] thrice`: i have macavity first one both. [10:01] oh wait [10:01] RLa: mv ~/.kde ~/.kdeold [10:01] spook: who was first with the "userdel" and "-r" remarks on your screen? [10:01] hurrr durrr. [10:02] macavity: you, both times. [10:02] thrice`: now we gotta get this settled :P [10:02] YAY! [10:02] maybe i can just delete kde part of my home dir [10:02] You can just delete ~/.kde [10:02] RLa, you can just use rm -r on the .kde* items, no need to delete everything [10:02] Also, maybe /tmp/kde-* [10:02] thrice`: pwned! :P [10:02] lol [10:02] thrice` had fastest answer for me :) [10:02] Action: macavity wins [10:02] noooes [10:02] XD [10:02] Action: macavity dies [10:03] i think its a matter of who is connected to which hub. [10:03] then it must have been pretty freaking close [10:03] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-129-104.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:03] maybe i should delete all dirs starting with . in my home folder [10:03] RLa: noooooooooooo [10:04] O_O [10:04] ls -a will list all the directories. [10:04] what, you want your account to develop total amnesia?!? [10:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:04] jkwood: dont help him! hes gone mad with deletion fever! [10:04] It should be pretty apparent which ones have something to do with kde. [10:04] well, it has not been cleaned in last 5-6 years [10:04] removing .kde will be enough [10:04] has anyone a binary package for icu 4.0? I really need a *binary* package I think [10:04] you will be suprised how much tweakin you have done in that time [10:04] Maybe .kderc [10:04] if you have specific problems with specific programs, then maybe look at other dirs [10:05] things that you have just gotten used to is working the way you want :P [10:05] Why binary? [10:05] i have all my stuff divided into non-hidden dirs [10:05] I have icu4c-4.0.1-x86_64_slamd64-1_SB64 [10:05] raph0x88 (i=1003@bd217ee4.virtua.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [10:05] Which means that somewhere, there is a SlackBuild that works. [10:05] jkwood: I think cpp has been changed and icu won't compile with gcc-4.4 (which I'm testing) [10:05] i use no specific programs, from kde i use only kmail and konqueror [10:05] Ah, that would make a differencec. [10:06] oh wait man, when i delete .kde i also lose bookmarks? [10:06] jkwood: yeah, pprkut made on on sbo for 4.0 and 4.2 [10:06] RLa: if you kill .kde/ then you kill all your mails too [10:06] macavity, aren't mails in ~/mail [10:06] jkwood: ABI is ok, anyway, I don't even mind if it crashes quite quickly, I need something for the three next days [10:06] if you specifically set kmail to save them there... [10:07] oh wait man, i will also lose kwallet stored passwords? [10:07] yes... [10:07] oh crap [10:07] Ah, I see. Well, I'm not sure then. [10:07] actually, would anyone on slackware64-13 build one for me? :P [10:07] sup macavity [10:07] sup Camarade_Tux [10:08] sup thrice` [10:08] Camarade_Tux: not 13 but current? [10:08] but can i rename users? [10:08] spook: both 13 and current will work [10:08] RLa: sure, just edit the name in /etc/passwd [10:08] Camarade_Tux: sure, what am i building? [10:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [10:09] very good, i'm creating another user and start using that [10:09] spook: icu4c, available on sbo [10:09] and later when i'm ready to delete, remove old user [10:09] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/icu4c/ [10:09] Camarade_Tux: I have a package built [10:09] RLa (n=rlaanemt@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: "Leaving" [10:10] Camarade_Tux: did you fuxor your toolchain since you cant just build it? [10:10] alienbob has it in his repo too [10:10] as a package [10:10] macavity: no, the toolchain is ok, I think the problem is icu4c which can't build, I think cpp has been changed [10:10] pprkut: \o/ [10:10] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:11] oh, that would do it, gonna check alien's [10:11] O_o [10:11] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/icu4c/ [10:11] but I need 4.0 =/ [10:11] mine is a stable version, alienbob has a beta/testing version in his repo [10:12] the trouble is that I need that for webkit which I can't build again >< [10:12] ah, sorry [10:12] well, I can build an older version if I find one [10:12] but that's going to be really annoying [10:13] Camarade_Tux: http://www.liwjatan.at/files/slackware/packages/13.0/ , but it's 4.2 [10:14] hmmm, no, I really need 4.0 since my webkit-gtk is built against that >< [10:14] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-154-23.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [10:15] (and if I change the webkit version, I have several other things to change too) [10:16] raph0x88 (i=1003@bd217ee4.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:16] guess I'll "downgrade" gcc >< [10:17] macavity: I have aircrack-ng on my laptop [10:17] Camarade_Tux, you can't build it on gcc 4.4, or? [10:17] gerrh^^ (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [10:17] is there a way to re-create the package? [10:17] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] so i can scp it to my server? [10:17] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] i have a listing in /var/log/packages/aircrack* [10:18] thrice`: well, I can try to patch it but I'm not sure it's correct [10:19] think I'll just patch and build my package next week [10:19] Camarade_Tux: thrice` do either of you know how to recreate packages that have been installed onto your system? [10:19] Camarade_Tux: uploading [10:19] pprkut: oh, thanks :) [10:20] beatzz, removepkg has a "-copy" [10:20] beatzz: Not easily. You'd have to copy everything from that package into a subdirectory, then run makepkg on that. [10:20] Camarade_Tux: done. Have fun! :) [10:20] thrice`: Orly... [10:21] I don't think i've ever used it, though [10:21] thrice`: and how can i locate this...removepkg -copy.. man removepkg? [10:21] pprkut: if you try to make icu4c compile with gcc-4.4, I think the fix is to replace the "#elif" with "#else" in ParagraphLayout.cpp on line 871 [10:21] I'd guess so ;) [10:21] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [10:21] RLa (n=rla@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [10:21] ok, i created a new user [10:22] pprkut: thanks a lot ;-) [10:22] acording to man, i would 'removepkg -copy aircrack* [10:22] ? [10:22] Camarade_Tux: np :) [10:22] but then where dose it put the copy. [10:22] how to i disable annoying notification messages [10:22] these appear in right bottom corner as in windows xp [10:22] pprkut: the change I described makes sense, plus there is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504831 [10:23] these are very annoying [10:23] Camarade_Tux: noted, thanks [10:23] beatzz, read the man page, it says: "/var/log/setup/tmp/preserved_packages/packagename" [10:24] yeah, works, thanks :) [10:24] :) [10:25] found http://dev.icu-project.org/trac/ticket/6439 but it's more than one year old [10:26] it's fixed in later versions, what do you expect? [10:28] thrice`: latest icu4c version is from one year after the bug status was changed to "fixed" [10:29] boklin (n=boklin@unaffiliated/boklin) joined ##slackware. [10:29] err, maybe not [10:30] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] soo... [10:31] hows everyones weekend thus-far? [10:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-129-104.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [10:32] lazy [10:32] Camarade_Tux, you should really try these things :) [10:32] Slackware package /tmp/icu4c-4.2.1-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz created. [10:32] chettos? [10:32] gcc 4.4, etc [10:33] thrice`: yeah, I take the comment back, I thought icu 4.0 was older than that [10:37] Karu (n=alch@77-233-85-4.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [10:38] blaise (n=blaise@unaffiliated/blaise) left ##slackware. [10:42] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:42] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "study time" [10:44] Is really no way of changing the color depth in kde diffrent than by x11.conf ? [10:44] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [10:45] X -configure then look at /root/xorg.conf.new it has several color depth down at the bottom [10:46] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:47] also the color depth needs to be supported by your vid card and more importantly the combination of color depth & screen resolution has to be supported by your monitor [10:48] Pig_Pen: could you repeat the prev sentence(s) .. . I wasn't present at the irc for a while [10:48] X -configure then look at /root/xorg.conf.new it has several color depth down at the bottom in the subsections, you can edit out the ones you dont want [10:49] also the color depth needs to be supported by your vid card and more importantly the combination of color depth & screen resolution has to be supported by your monitor [10:49] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.218.227) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] ok thanks [10:50] praedictus (n=luser@189-93-222-157.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:52] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.211.192) joined ##slackware. [10:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Anyone gotten Mumble to build successfully? [10:54] what it does? [10:54] Looks to be missing some qt translation libs that I can't seem to google down. [10:55] mumble? never heard of it, is it hosted by sourceforge.net? [10:55] yes [10:56] Pig_Pen: what do you mean by x-configure ? [10:56] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:56] X -configure [10:56] X -configure [10:56] bah, tout late [10:56] i'm hungy [10:56] man food [10:56] No manual entry for food [10:56] wget $food [10:57] Action: macavity loses [10:57] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/stomach [10:57] wget: missing URL [10:57] junk food ^^ [10:57] i dont think i have any $food [10:57] macavity: that's why you fail! [10:57] macavity: you don't have foodd? [10:57] screw this.. IRL shopping works as fallback [10:58] is it normal to have an upload speed of 67 Mb-s and an upload of 23 Mbps? Is tha ratio good? [10:58] not my first choice.. but allas, the earthly things we have to endure in this life.. [10:58] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [10:58] Test is done on speedtest.net, with a server in my city [10:58] you i take it the first upload should have read download? [10:59] macavity: yes, sorry [10:59] Azeotrope: the speedtest servers are too slow for you to test on [10:59] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] they're probably slower than your connection [10:59] what kind of net is that? 100/100Mbps? [10:59] tesing with a server at 1700 miles i get 1.97 down and 0.25 up [11:01] My problem is that i get low speed on my ftpserver. Around 2-5 kbps with another computer that is 150 miles [11:01] synfin (n=gordon@199.195.58.16) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] Mithenks (n=eymerich@213.243.231.234) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Heh heh, well, I installed slackware onto my LVM partition. It detected it just fine during installation, but now it panics. I imagine this means initramfs wasn't properly constructed. Any quick way to fix this? I am new to slack, I'm a gentoo/fedora/ubuntu user. [11:03] GammalSokk (n=johskar@137.84-48-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.45) joined ##slackware. [11:05] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.42.180) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:06] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:06] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [11:08] siene (n=d@212.183.140.54) joined ##slackware. [11:10] har_ (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] what if the Hokey Pokey really is what its all about? [11:15] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:15] tuxdev (n=tim@adsl-75-15-121-149.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] i have a little script i put in /etc/cron.hourly that uses ntpd to update my clock, and after looking on /var/log/messages it details it and shows me my clock loses about 35 seconds every hour [11:16] Pig_Pen: how old is the battery on the mobo? [11:16] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] about a year old [11:18] its not that old, could be a bad battery [11:18] a baddery ;p [11:18] Pig_Pen: yea, not that old, i have a 4 year old battery that looses about 30 seconds/day [11:19] Pig_Pen: is your pc ON 24/7? [11:19] Pig_Pen: X -configure just hanged my computer [11:20] Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" in server flags? if your mouse and/or keyboard does not work [11:20] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:23] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Connection timed out [11:23] gnubien: no, this PC is in my bedroom so i shut it off every night [11:24] Pig_Pen: ok, could be the battery is low voltage, check the voltage with a multimeter when pc is off and unplugged from power [11:25] Pig_Pen: never heard of a time variable to set in BIOS [11:25] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [11:25] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150134183.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:25] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Nick change: Sadnem -> Sadnem|Afk [11:27] not me either [11:27] Pig_Pen: also battery maybe tarnished so clean both sides with a pensil erasure before reinstalling [11:27] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:28] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] Pig_Pen: try not to leave any fingerprints on the faces of the battery too [11:28] are those batteries common? like those little disk batteries that goes in wristwatches & calculators [11:28] they are cheap if i go through the trouble of taking it out i will just put in a new one [11:28] Pig_Pen: depends on the mobo, radioshack usually has them, available at some battery store or online too [11:29] ok, thanks [11:29] Pig_Pen: yea, less than $3 usually [11:30] Pig_Pen sure, have fun ;) [11:30] thanks for the input gnubien [11:31] Pig_Pen: ok, another test is to see if time is being lost in the uptime hours or the power off hours; if the power off hours then i suspect a weak battery [11:32] or tarnished battery contacts [11:32] harksaw (n=sharcle@71-85-9-059.dhcp.buft.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:32] the first time ntp updates the clock it shows over a minute lost, sometimes as much as 300 seconds, its always different [11:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:33] Pig_Pen: time varies with the seasons alittle, inside temperatures, humidity, lots of other variables but the problem is minor imho [11:34] Pig_Pen: see how many seconds you loose just before you shutdown pc [11:34] Nick change: Sadnem|Afk -> Sadnem [11:35] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016450.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:35] i been watching cron.hourly run it for several hours from the log /var/log/messages and it loses approxamtly 35 seconds every hour, give or take a few seconds over or under that [11:36] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:36] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:36] Kidpunkx_ (n=Masterx8@adsl-235-213-54.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] Pig_Pen: on reboot it has lost more seconds than 35 seconds/hour? [11:36] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:37] yeah, when i boot it up it can lose anywhere from a minute to over 300 seconds [11:37] Pig_Pen: if pc is off for 10 hours then 35 seconds/hour times 10 hours is 350 seconds [11:37] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] sounds about right [11:39] i guess the next time i open it up out on the front porch to spray the dust out i will take the battery out and take it with me to RadioShack and get a new one [11:39] firedix (n=firedix@host21.190-230-58.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:39] kimjeng (n=Atambo@196.201.211.192) left irc: "Leaving" [11:39] Pig_Pen: is the room the PC is in heated 24/7? if not cool temps can affect the battery [11:39] guax (n=guaxinim@201-14-185-228.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:39] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:40] Pig_Pen: the battery is only used for the system clock now iirc [11:40] raph0x88 (i=1003@bd217ee4.virtua.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] it stays at a fairly constant temp, just slightly cooler in the winter, i have central HVAC [11:41] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:41] ok, not a factor then [11:43] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [11:44] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [11:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: "just to eat" [11:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.230.168) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Mefached (n=jonathan@c-75-65-53-44.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] OK, this is probably a really stupid question, but I'm trying to burn the Slackware 13.0 ISO onto a DVD from my laptop. I know for a fact is reads DVDs, but it doesn't appear to even recognize that there is something in the drive when I put in the blank one. [11:51] I'm running under Vector at the moment, so I figure Slackers could help me. [11:51] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [11:52] growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd/=Slackware-13.0.iso [11:52] praedictus (n=luser@189-93-222-157.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] i think thats right, hopefully it is, if not i hope somebody in here that knows will put their 2c in [11:53] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] looks good, but maybe /dev/dvd= instead of /dev/dvd/ [11:53] not sure it'll work with the trailing '/' [11:54] growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd/=/home/path_to_iso/Slackware-13.0.iso [11:54] ? [11:54] growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=/home/path_to_iso/Slackware-13.0.iso [11:54] yeah [11:55] Alright, I did that, and got: ":-[ LOAD TRAY failed with SK=5h/INVALID FIELD IN CDB]: Input/output error" [11:55] no, like: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=/path/to/dvd.iso [11:55] sounds like a bad burner [11:56] Right, but K3b isn't even recognizing that there is a blank disc in [11:56] wait... is it a dvd? [11:56] Yes. [11:56] and external? via usb... [11:56] It's a built-in drive. I don't have any external drives. [11:57] is that one of those combo drives that can burn CDR and only read dvd disks ? i have one of those on the cheap PC in the office [11:57] i have a problem with k3b with external pioneer usb... reads cdr's but not dvd's [11:57] try popping in a blank cdr [11:57] I've already burned CD-Rs with it before. [11:58] lately? [11:58] Mhm. Yesterday. [11:58] " dmesg | grep -i dvd" returns [11:58] hdc: Samsung CD-RW/DVD-ROM SN-324B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [11:58] hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache [11:58] well... the cli way is the best way i believe and if growisofs -dvd-compat...blah blah.. [11:58] will be the best way [11:58] looks like it is DVD read only [11:58] wollw (n=dshere@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:58] wollw (n=dshere@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Fantastic. [11:59] this is mine hda: Slimtype DVD A DS8A1H, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [11:59] ide-cd: hda: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R/RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache [11:59] notice the dvd-r/ram [11:59] Hm, yeah. I saw that. That saddens me a bit. [12:00] I have the 13.0 d1 and d2 on my desktop, do I need to get the third disc? [12:00] netinstall? [12:00] does slack do that? [12:00] The full install. [12:00] for kde you will [12:01] Hm. I could use my flash drive to move the DVD to my desktop. [12:01] But I'm having an unrelated issue with my flash drive: when I copy things onto it, they'll copy right, but they'll just disappear once I take the flash drive out. [12:01] Pig_Pen: does slack have a netinstall disc?? [12:01] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [12:01] substancev: My MAC has to be spoofed to do anything. Can a netinstall disc work for me? [12:02] Billtoo (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016450.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [12:02] not sure... i don't know if they have one ... im searching [12:02] I've never done a netinstall of anything because of the issues with my router's MAC filtering [12:03] Mefached: i did a debian netinstall on a mac ibook [12:03] was fairly simple [12:04] as long as you can access the internet eveything should streamline... that is of course if slackware has a netinstall iso [12:04] That's exactly the problem. I have a homeconnection script I have to run which spoofs my MAC before it'll connect to my home Ethernet [12:04] no netinstall disc, what you can do it take an older slackware install CD like 12 or 12.1 or 12.2 and if you have 13 packages downloaded like a mirror on your harddrive you can mount your harddrive from the install CD and install from your harddrive [12:06] no, you can't [12:06] 12.x doesn't understand .txz packages [12:06] i am going to follow alien's wiki again to recompile a kernel [12:06] doh! you're right, i forgot ab0ut that [12:06] more then likely i will have a compile error.. [12:07] always happens on alien's wiki tut [12:07] brb [12:07] Well, I can transfer the full DVD ISO to my desktop [12:07] But refer to my earlier comment about having problems with my flash drive [12:09] dont u have blank cd's [12:10] Yes, I have a few hundred of both [12:10] so download the cd iso's [12:10] and burn them. [12:11] There are only 3 disc ISOs for the packages, right? [12:12] yeah [12:12] thas it [12:12] just 3 [12:13] OK. I already have the other two ISOs. That'll work quite fine, then. [12:13] yup. only choice you got buddy [12:13] exit [12:13] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432668.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:14] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:14] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:15] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] you know whats funny... i'm trying to get my wireless broadcom function at full speeds... that is why im trying a new kernel... [12:17] and i don't think the kernel has anything to do with it [12:17] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:17] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [12:20] i dont have broadcom, i have a ralink rt61pci wifi card and when i built 2.6.32 i noticed an annoying bug that would cause my wifi to die about every minute, i went back to 2.6.31.6 [12:23] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [12:24] cyborg-o1e (i=1000@nas-12-116.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:24] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.42.180) joined ##slackware. [12:24] sn18 (n=sunnynar@115.113.116.37) joined ##slackware. [12:25] do regular processes get PIDs under 1024? [12:25] sn18 (n=sunnynar@115.113.116.37) left ##slackware. [12:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:26] substanc1v (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] hey where can i find my kernel error logs? [12:26] syslog? [12:28] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:28] look through all of /var/log files for clues, dmesg, messages, syslog, faillog, Xorg.0.log [12:29] niceman_ (n=Takumoro@41.252.21.12) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Morbidawn (n=stormbla@89.47.105.62) joined ##slackware. [12:31] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:31] another off topic question guys ... which is better for the labor market MSc in Computing,Forensic Computing, Computer Security or Computer Networks? [12:32] is it possible to "installpkg" under sudo and not su? [12:33] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] sadnem, i do not see why not [12:36] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:37] niceman_ (n=Takumoro@41.252.21.12) left irc: [12:40] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host20.201-252-205.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:42] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:46] because under my user i dont have the command "installpkg" or "removepkg" [12:46] you will need to add /sbin to your PATH, or invoke "sudo /sbin/installpkg" as a full path [12:47] thanks [12:47] ;) [12:47] Camarade_Tux: yes. it's not the same thing as ports [12:47] Camarade_Tux: besides process pid 1, which is usually init, there is nothing special about pid number [12:49] nvision (n=nvision@e179137171.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:50] ananke: I'm doing a quick-and-dirty test and trying to open port = pid should do it for *now* [12:50] there could be a server on 15678 anyway so I can't use that [12:50] Camarade_Tux, why would you want that? [12:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:51] synfin (n=gordon@199.195.58.16) left irc: "Leaving." [12:52] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] nachox: easy way to get a port that *should* be free [12:54] but it's only for a test ;-) [12:54] Camarade_Tux, if you want to make sure a port is free, use the portmapper [12:55] hi all :) [12:55] yeah, I'll use better methods after that ;-) [12:57] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:57] of course your server will have to be based on on rpc but... [12:58] guess what I'm using :P [12:58] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-251-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [12:58] cpr? [12:59] there's something I can't figure in sun/on rpc .x files: how to specify a string parameter? [12:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:59] antiwire: stop asking Camarade_Tux for mouth to mouth. [12:59] antiwire: :) [12:59] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-176.telecable.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:59] Action: Camarade_Tux handcuffs eviljames [12:59] eep [12:59] now you can't type anymore ;) [12:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [13:00] I see a bunch of d/ and l/ updates...hmm [13:03] oooOooOOooOOOOOoh those are the best updates! [13:04] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [13:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [13:07] elliot98 (n=elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [13:08] I am trying to install twinkle [13:08] it requires libccrtp1 [13:09] does anyone know how to get that? [13:09] freefox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [13:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:13] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-104-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:13] salut a tous! [13:14] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [13:15] salut à toi eviljames [13:15] salut eviljames [13:15] o, il y a les francais ici? [13:15] yeah there are frenchies in here :) [13:16] haha, sure :P [13:16] elliot98: no clue, but GOOG may help you out [13:17] elliot98: and slackbuilds.org has a collection of well-made slackbuilds for you to use, and a template available if you wish to create your own [13:21] Arntsen (n=arntsen@ti112210a080-0659.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. 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[13:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.230.168) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] You guys ever heard of a eigenharp? looks like something straight out of the Cantina in Star Wars. [13:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:34] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] can someone help me determine the difference between two tutorials... they are for compiling a kernel in slackware... one is alienBOB's wiki... and another is from a site... alienBOB's give me compile errors... and the other one takes me all the way thru but i have problems installing nvidia drivers... http://pdg86.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/howto-compile-2-6-31-kernel-in-slackware-13-0/ && http://alien.slackbook.org/dok [13:37] i can't understand why alienbob's doesn't work for me [13:37] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:37] The wiki does not give you compile errors. Your kernel configuration gives you compile errors [13:37] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:37] booyaka.. [13:37] good looks [13:37] substancev: can you pastebin the errors, it is highly unlikely to be related to alienBOB's wiki. [13:37] ok... i have it on pastebin let me search it [13:37] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:38] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:38] substancev: alienBOB's wiki works just fine. you #*7%ed it up somewhere. [13:40] Hi. I have the following problem: when a specific client tries to connect and donwload from my ftp server, the speed is ~15 kbps (very low). If other clients connect and download, the speed is ~100kbps. If the client runs a Windows FTP server software and I connect to it, i get also 100 kbps. Why the client can't download from me with the same speed? [13:41] Action: thumbs blames windows [13:41] Azeotrope: does the same thing happen if he runs a live cd? [13:41] Azeotrope: lots and lots of possibilities to narrow down here.. all local/remote? [13:42] i will do it again... [13:42] i can't find my dump [13:43] anyways i restored my /usr/src directory... and point the symlinks as usual... will start over [13:43] before i do so... [13:43] eviljames: all clients are remote [13:43] i'm only compiling kernel because my wireless is super slow compared to my windows installation on this laptop [13:43] thumbs: whz running a live cd_ [13:43] will kernel upgrade fix this... or should i try abnother approach [13:43] what is the client using as a FTP client to connect to your FTP server? is he connecting passive or active? does he allow the ports for active to work correctly? [13:44] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:44] mz server is vsftpd and all clients used filezilla [13:44] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] Azeotrope: k, and the slow client, running windows? is it specifically to a piece of client software on one machine? [13:44] connecting pasv [13:45] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:45] eviljames: zes the slow client runs win. but also the rest of the clients [13:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [13:45] substancev: will the kernel upgrade fix what? [13:46] Azeotrope: if you use something other than filezilla (ie: firefox) on the problem client, does it exhibit the same behaviour? [13:46] freefox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:46] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Azeotrope: what NIC is that box using? What was the speed with a live CD? [13:46] greetings and salutations [13:46] i was in #linux-wireless someone told me that my kernel was pretty outdated adn hundres if not thousand improvments to wifi has been made since. [13:47] # uname -r [13:47] 2.6.29.6-smp [13:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] substancev: the wifi stack is being worked on aggressively, yes [13:48] thumbs: nor i nor the client used a live cd [13:48] substancev: if you do decide to compile your own kernel, make sure you configure it properly. [13:48] Azeotrope: no, I want you to try it to see if you get the same results. [13:48] substancev: I don't know what you have going on there but between alienBOB's write ups and the quick write I've posted you over the last few days, you should have no problem compiling a new kernel. [13:48] i mean i successfully compiled 2.6.31.6 but i couldn't install nvidia drivers ... gave me couldn [13:48] couldn;t load nvidia.ko [13:48] you've messed something up [13:48] thumbs: me, the server or the client should use livecd? [13:48] antiwire: hey there you are [13:49] Azeotrope: the client. [13:49] Azeotrope: client [13:49] ok [13:49] I have successfully used 2.6.29.6-2.6.31.6 and 2.6.32 with the nvidia drivers [13:49] antiwire: i compiled the kernel and was able to boot into it.. but i was unable to run nvidia drivers [13:49] it's not the how to's that are messing it up. [13:49] substancev: when compiling a new kernel, you must recompile the nvidia drivers [13:49] Azeotrope: Sounds like a driver issue on the client side TBH. I wonder if the client is autoing at Half duplex. [13:50] thumbs: we went through all of this and he did. [13:50] antiwire: ok ok [13:50] thumbs: i know... recompiling gave me errors [13:50] there is something screwed up with his sources [13:50] im going to go at it again.. [13:50] substancev: reinstall that package? [13:50] i did everything [13:50] agentc0re: the client has good upload and download speed on speedtest.net [13:50] it must be the config files im using off the net [13:50] Azeotrope: I'm thinking the same thing as agentc0re, thumbs' test will help to confirm/deny. perhaps it is an issue with filezilla specifically, though. hence my suggestion to check with firefox. [13:51] wget :) [13:51] eviljames: also used WinSCP to test that and still the same speed [13:51] Azeotrope: i wouldn't really use that to judge whether or not he is at halfduplex or not. [13:51] even a zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config and make oldconfig proved to fail [13:51] Azeotrope: ok, so you're using sftp, not ftp? [13:51] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ANPaHK13.html [13:51] that's the third time I've posted that [13:51] eviljames: no, but winscp can connect to ftp [13:51] antiwire: hopefully the last. :P [13:52] xlordt_ (n=xlordt@24.55.70.98) joined ##slackware. [13:52] antiwire: is he needing some special kernel config? [13:52] Azeotrope: oh, I haven't tried. fire up RescueCD and try using ncftp. If that works, it will confirm driver config issue on windows. [13:52] agentc0re: no [13:52] Azeotrope: if it doesn't, odds are it's further up the chain somewhere (router, etc) [13:52] check for half duplex? ethtool $ifname" will tell you [13:53] antiwire: is that link for me? [13:53] substancev: yes... [13:53] and if it's a driver issue, why the speed isn't slow with any other servers? [13:53] this is like talking to a wall [13:53] Azeotrope: are you listening? [13:54] ok ill can just make changes to the kernel i want and run it as a script? [13:54] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3121D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] substancev: read the damn pastebin. [13:54] substancev: if you don't need a special config, why are you downloading any from the web? [13:54] it is not a script. [13:54] Look what the first GD line says [13:54] "# Read this whole guide through once *before* you try anything." [13:54] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Connection timed out [13:55] sahisk (n=sonu@59.177.33.5) joined ##slackware. [13:55] ok [13:55] antiwire: thanks im going to read this through.. be back later [13:55] substancev: i'm sure you've been told this but; here's what i'd do if i were you. cd /usr/src/linux; make mrproper; cp /boot/config-huge-2.6.29.6 /usr/src/linux/.config; make menuconfig; make && make modules_install && make install. [13:55] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176086173.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:56] hey guys,.. i am about to change my os to slackware.. but i wana about hte community help for slackware.. how is it? [13:56] excellent [13:56] sahisk: how skilled are you with linux? [13:56] thanks agentc0re but antiwire has gotten me the farthest i will go with his info [13:56] If he reads my write up, same deal with alienBOB's, he'd have a working kernel. there is nothing wring with the guides, just the execution of the guides. [13:56] substancev: i belive i said exactly what agentc0re is suggesting.. [13:56] sahisk: are you self-sufficient? [13:56] sahisk: depends...are you willing to look for an answer before begging for one? [13:56] or just a normal ubuntu user.. [13:56] wring/wrong [13:56] macavity: probably, i bet everyone here has. [13:56] I'm invisible. [13:56] amazing. [13:57] thumbs: yes, re-reading [13:57] antiwire: everyone is invisible. [13:57] just for the record... i have had a successful kernel compile.. im not that much of a lost cause... [13:57] :) [13:57] I have friends who started with Slackware, sahisk. If you can follow instructions and are smart, you'll do fine. [13:57] antiwire: i see you! and im following ya. [13:57] I couldn't feed someone a more granular, step by step guide [13:57] macavity: ill try that after [13:57] antiwire: no.. you just dont come clear over the wire ;-) [13:57] substancev: if antiwire is holding your hand, go with him [13:57] 3 [13:57] thumbs Mefached , u guys wanna say that starting with slackware is not just like other distro... [13:57] Action: eviljames needs to stop mashing buttons [13:58] sahisk: i had no linux experience before starting with slackware. [13:58] Because Slackware doesn't hold your hand [13:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [13:58] Ubuntu doesn't even let you walk [13:58] sahisk: it requires the ability for one to read docs, understand them, be able to ask smart questions, and do your own research [13:58] antiwire: sure you could, ssh into his box and do it for him. [13:58] thumbs: that's _precisely_ what i was going to say. [13:58] sahisk: ^ [13:58] eviljames: heh. [13:59] thumbs: ... lol .. ,http://opiniones.terra.es/tmp/swotti/cacheC2XHY2T3YXJLU29MDHDHCMUTU29MDHDHCMU=/imgSlackware2.jpg [13:59] acutally , i am very much inspired by this image. so i am attracted toward slackware... [13:59] substancev: also, as suggested in the write up, you probably don't need to worry about lines 69-75 [13:59] antiwire, macavity: you can only lead a horse to water, you can't force it to drink it. [13:59] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:59] half a meg for a jpeg?!? [13:59] sahisk: it has been said that Slackware is as user-friendly as a rattlesnake. [13:59] i hope.. this is what slackware have. [14:00] substancev: are you using an initrd as it stands? [14:00] as rattlesnake.. eviljames.. [14:00] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] sahisk: From the looks of it, that image is ancient. Slackware is much better looking now with kde4 :D [14:00] With my current stock kernel.. no... with a compiled kernel i always need it for ext4... even tho it is built-in kernel [14:00] does slackware is using some kinda window manager to dacorate it's look. [14:00] sahisk: that image doesn't pull up for me. so you are being inspired by a blank screen? ;) [14:00] ok.. actually that wallpaper IS cool [14:00] sahisk: that's a nifty screenshot. [14:00] antiwire: With my current stock kernel.. no... with a compiled kernel i always need it for ext4... even tho it is built-in kernel [14:01] agentc0re: try again, it works [14:01] thumbs: i blame chrome. [14:01] Guest87737 (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) joined ##slackware. [14:01] i'm getting pissed off. My ATI drivers are installed but just freezes the system up and i've checked out lots of howtos. [14:01] substancev: On a tangent: then the filesystem wasn't the issue of your booting failure in those cases you probably were missing the chipset drivers. [14:01] agentc0re: ... it's too awesome.. after ubuntu ultimate.. this is what i wanna try.. but b4 jumping into it.. i wanna know how freindly this distor is [14:01] agentc0re: at least you're not using Opera [14:02] ok. running fedora live cd the client got the same speed [14:02] sahisk: I already gave you the essentials. [14:02] Azeotrope: 15k/s? [14:02] Azeotrope: ok, fair enough. [14:02] eviljames: yes [14:02] sahisk: we can bullshit you all day long but until you try it for youself you are just going to receive contextual opinions. [14:02] Azeotrope: and do other machines on the same physical network (same router, etc) get the same speed? [14:03] sahisk: do you have a computer capable of running virtualbox? [14:03] yup [14:03] xlordt (n=xlordt@24.55.70.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] eviljames: one of the machines i used as a client is using a gSM modme [14:03] sahisk: great [14:03] sahisk: If so, make yourself a Slackware 13.0 virtual machine and try before you buy. [14:03] modem [14:03] ok [14:03] eviljames: none of the clients are on the same network as me. [14:03] Nick change: Guest87737 -> nheco [14:04] sahisk: if you just want to "try shit out" you might come to hate slackware pretty fast [14:04] sahisk: it doesnt even bother starting up in graphical mode in the default installation [14:04] Azeotrope: well, if there is something causing an issue between the server & the client, perhaps it is the router or some such thing.. can you put another machine on the same physical network as the problem client and test with that? [14:04] cyborg-one (i=1000@nas-12-029.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] thumbs: lol. i'm on a netbook and the only web browser that works well is Chrome. FF just brings it to a crawl, along with opera. Midori just doesn't work well. Chrome ended up being the best, comparable solution. [14:04] sahisk: so if you have no idea how to change runlevels, or how to invoke the xorg server manually, it will be a very very short showcase ;-) [14:05] agentc0re: really? [14:05] bbl [14:05] eviljames: i will try that. It's annoying. I also remember speeds as low as 0.2 kbps [14:05] macavity: thanks.. i am going for it.. [14:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] sahisk: www.slackbook.org [14:05] Nick change: Kidpunkx_ -> Kidpunkx [14:05] agentc0re: Chrome is the best browser I've ever used. [14:06] I can't wait to get it working in Slackware. [14:06] Mefached: google chrome is on SBo [14:06] Awesome. [14:06] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:06] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:06] can i install slackware with a pendrive.. uisng unetbootin? [14:07] sahisk: yes.. if you know how :P [14:08] sahisk: look in the base directory of your local slackware mirror [14:08] sahisk: eg, /pub/linux/distro/slackware/slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-instrallers/ [14:08] man......... i am not a nooob with linux.. i am just getting frusted with the my old Os.. i have tried fedore, ubuntu , ubuntu studi, ubunut ultimate , sabayon and now i am going for slackware.. hope. it won't let me down.. [14:09] thanks.. macavity.. once again thanks [14:09] You can only let yourself down. [14:09] antiwire: oooh...... [14:09] mupi__ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:10] thumbs: yup. FF was okay to use but once i had 6-8 tabs open... it bogged the machine down pretty bad. take youtube for an example, playing a video clip in FF or Opera was just not possible. always choppy and would sometimes not load properly. midori it just didn't load the player correctly half the time. Chrome, not one single problem. [14:10] agentc0re: what flavour of linux are you using on it? [14:10] vbatts, are you about? [14:11] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:11] angetc0re: is using slackware. :P [14:12] thumbs: Slackware. [14:12] thrice`: no [14:12] lol [14:12] Nick change: eviljames -> ass|hat [14:13] Nick change: antiwire -> SpamCannon [14:14] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:14] ass|hat: damn you for stealing that from me! :P [14:14] Nick change: ass|hat -> eviljames [14:14] hahahah [14:14] It was mine in the first place :P [14:14] vbatts: humble beggins and much brownosing for 4.3.4 packages :P [14:14] sahisk: once you go Slack, you never go back. [14:14] thrice`: if you need something, you can post it here or PM me. i'll be here, there and everywhere. [14:15] vbatts, I just saw an interesting new directory you put up, and was kinda curious if more was to follow :) [14:15] macavity: maybe i'll have the 4.3.80 before the weekend is out. (for x86_64) [14:15] thrice`: ;) ^^ [14:16] eviljames: that's what i wanna listen. actually, i need a os for 3d and grphics work..with multimedia suppport and that has to be a linux.. and must be stable of course... so , now i am trying slackware... [14:16] lol [14:16] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] sahisk: is likely to be the most stable of distros around. [14:17] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:17] sahisk: err, insert Slackware to the beginning of that. [14:17] ooooh [14:17] vbatts, neat. you've tried it, yet? [14:17] lol.. ok [14:17] (tried, meaning, compiling) [14:17] thrice`: a bit, its faster [14:17] sahisk: there is no update manager like the distros you are used to, updates are done by hand. So the system libraries, changes etc are done ONLY when you specifically tell them to. [14:17] eviljames: slackware is debian linux naa? [14:17] No. [14:17] oh, well yeah compiling. the interface is faster and smoother still [14:17] Slackware is older than Debian. [14:18] and they have some nice stuff for netbooks ++!! [14:18] what.. older. antique... antidulevian... [14:18] Slackware is not Debian [14:18] sahisk: google "linux timeline" [14:18] sahisk: Slackware is the oldest surviving distro. [14:18] sahisk: SW knows debians grandpa :D [14:18] vbatts, neat :> I'll hold off compiling [14:18] hahah, very apt init[1] [14:18] ooo l laa [14:19] eviljames: ;) [14:19] and i'm /afk, cheers [14:21] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [14:22] someone write my nick? [14:22] tripFantastic: umm? [14:22] tripFantastic: [14:23] ty; trying to fix highlight [14:24] sahisk one more time? [14:24] ok [14:24] tripFantastic: umm? [14:24] tripFantastic: [14:24] got it; tyvm [14:25] lol [14:25] ivan__ (n=ivan@29.78.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [14:29] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:30] adamk (n=adamk@c-68-45-22-62.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] slackware is not a debian ,then is slackware a gentoo linux? [14:35] what are you talking about? [14:35] Oo [14:36] sahisk: Slackware is Slackware. It is not the same as debian, gentoo or any other distro. [14:36] sahisk: no, slackware is not based on gentoo. [14:36] sahisk: Actually, it is the same as other distros that are based on Slackware.. like Arch iirc. [14:36] just asked... what is slackware... debian lilnux, gentoo or what.... so, it's shell scripting won't be same as that of ubuntu? [14:37] sahisk: slackware stands on its own legs , as debian stands [14:38] k.. so, all the command that work on ubuntu command shell ,won't work in slackware/?? [14:38] sahisk: that depends on what kind of script you're writing [14:38] do i need to learn the whole thing from the begining?? [14:38] sahisk: debian/ubuntu specific scripts won't, no. [14:38] sahisk: you need to learn unix. [14:38] sahisk: this is a GNU/Linux infact all what you have just asked it GNU base, so every where its the same ,and scripting depends on shell you use [14:38] sahisk: slackware is unix. If you can master slackware, you can use any distro. [14:38] sahisk: things that will not work: apt-get [14:38] thumbs: unix-esque [14:39] :P [14:39] yes.... oh.. it's unix. ohh.. [14:39] eviljames: close enough [14:39] apt-get install... ? what else would work? [14:39] thumbs: the BSD style init scripts are possibly the clincher for me.. so much nicer than the competition. [14:39] sahisk: the point is that you will learn how the OS works, not how its tools behave. [14:39] sahisk: please read www.slackbook.org [14:40] ok. so where can i find unix(sla [14:40] i was about to ask the same thing.. thaks init[1] . [14:40] sahisk: while you're at it, take a look at all the links in /topic [14:40] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:40] ok [14:41] slackware is unix like... not a unix right? [14:41] jeev: ping? [14:42] sahisk: that can turn into a religious debate [14:42] Slackware is a Linux distro sahisk, but it tries to stay close to generic UNIX where possible [14:43] yeah. there are many such packages which are meant for linux.. not unix.. so.. does it support such packages too.. [14:43] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.73.95) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] sahisk: you're overcomplicating things [14:44] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.73.96) joined ##slackware. [14:45] I am a noob.. for SLACKWARE. and this channel is meant for slackware user's . I just wannt to overcome all my rising doubts and confusions. thumbs. [14:45] sahisk: as alienBOB said, it's a distro that keeps things simple. [14:46] sahisk: I do not see what doubts you would have [14:46] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] sahisk, slackware is linux just like debian. So, any software debian linux runs, can also run on slackware [14:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like [14:47] sahisk: Linux is a UNIX clone , and slackware is GNU/Linux which makes it UNIX-like^ [14:47] yeah.. that' was my last doubt.. i am done now.. guys.. thumbs and alienBOB. thanks for showing ur concern.. [14:48] SpamCannon (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [14:48] sahisk: install virtualbox, and play with slackware. [14:48] sahisk: you'll see if you like it or not. [14:50] thumbs: no.. . I still have my etiquettes. I'll give proper repect to a older distro like slackware. I'll install it in a separate partition. :P [14:50] no. [14:50] seriously, use virtualbox first [14:50] sahisk: there's nothing wrong with using virtualbox. [14:50] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:50] i hate virutalbox.. just like virtual strippers. :P [14:50] Does virtualbox have a way to copy virtual images to disk? [14:51] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:51] NaCl: they are already stored on the disk. [14:51] I mean, write them to partitions on disk. [14:52] not afaik [14:52] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] NaCl: I don't believe so, no. [14:52] Thanks, just curious. [14:52] you could mount it as a network drive, rsync the appropriate folders over, set up a boot loader and reboot if you wanted to. [14:53] Yeah. [14:53] IIRC, VMWare has some feature like that [14:55] NaCl: well vbox and vmware are quite different [14:56] In parts. [14:57] ivan__ (n=ivan@29.78.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] Action: init[1] omg its beatzz :D [14:57] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-62.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:58] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [14:58] !info imagemagick [14:58] We do not have an info bot sahisk [14:58] !imagemagick [14:58] Our bot only punishes [14:58] ok ok [14:58] :D [14:59] what a cold room? sweesh... [14:59] what about imagemagick? [14:59] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] just looking for more info.. does it provide conversion of ps to image [15:00] Postscript to image [15:00] wertik_ (n=wertik@95-24-63-134.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:00] man convert [15:00] k [15:00] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=imagemagick [15:01] hy (i=cenobite@silver.zuinigerijder.com) left ##slackware. [15:01] sahisk: and it's called a channel, not a room [15:01] thumbs: change ur nick... I suggest "The Slackware 13.0.2". :P [15:01] sahisk: pardon me? [15:01] sahisk: pstopnm & pnmtojpeg may help you [15:02] init[1]: convert is simpler to use. [15:02] And is a lot more robust. [15:02] sahisk: it's also spelled your, not 'ur' [15:02] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] that's was i looking for.. thanks init[1].. actually, i need to use it in a programmm.. [15:03] In that case, you got some googling to do. [15:03] NaCl: ah ok, i do less converts ;) sahisk do read man convert , NaCl is right :) [15:03] thumbs: u r not much familiar with chat lang. i suppose.. you are too official.. You must be a high end bot. [15:03] i am reading both [15:03] No, we like our english to be correct [15:03] sahisk: the poor quality of your grammar and spelling is irritating. [15:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] sare, actually [15:04] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-19-235.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [15:04] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-62.telecable.es) left irc: "Leaving." [15:04] thumbs: it took you, 1hr to figure out my grammar and all.Oh, my gosh ... [15:05] sahisk, you should probably stop [15:05] sahisk: you are goin towards a troll , stop it [15:05] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@d58-106-26-163.sbr2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Connection timed out [15:05] sahisk: you're new here, please consider a pause in your conversation [15:05] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@d58-106-26-163.sbr2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [15:05] sahisk: lighten up [15:06] sahisk: ##Slackware: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k <- and come back. [15:06] ath9k: Nuke struct ath9k_node_stats [15:06] bahh [15:06] sorry [15:06] hah [15:06] ah.. sorry [15:06] Are the public logs actually used to make a knowledge base? [15:06] STOP. [15:06] alienBOB: ^ [15:06] hello andarius:) [15:06] salutations hitest [15:06] karlzt (n=karl@190-76-59-74.dyn.movilnet.com.ve) joined ##slackware. [15:06] NaCl: define knowledge base [15:07] just ran make... [15:07] : >< [15:07] ivan__ (n=ivan@29.78.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [15:07] omg! hahaha alienBOB++ :D [15:07] But I do use channel logs to check about people's history to see if a ban is deserved [15:07] sodium chloride.. :D [15:07] alienBOB: As a sidenote, we log channel activity to build a knowledge database: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/ [15:07] Quoth the guidelines [15:07] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:07] andarius: good to see you, man:) how are you? [15:07] My previous comment is what we mean with knowledge base... we know all about those who speak in this channel [15:08] Ah. Gotcha. [15:08] hitest: not too bad. eating lunch while upgrading to 2.6.32. then trip prep. how are you ? [15:08] alienBOB: sup hommie!!! [15:09] NaCl: [OT] But something related to what you asked ;) http://www.computerhope.com/zero/ [15:09] init[1]: same to u ! [15:09] andarius: I am well, ty:) just going to have a bite to eat, then head off to work for a bit to do some paperwork.. [15:09] beatzz: omg you are alive o_o [15:09] init[1]: interesting. [15:09] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-152-173.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] paperwork on a sat ? [15:09] :D alive and well [15:09] NaCl: :) [15:09] Action: alienBOB intends to ban all those who write permutations of "how r u so l33t" [15:10] alienBOB: i have been learning alot latly. [15:10] something just clicked, its like if u have a problem [15:10] you read the man [15:10] alienBOB: ah i think we can write a lex rule for that ;D [15:10] and then check the config files [15:11] One of my professors said that man pages are old-fashoned. :P [15:11] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) joined ##slackware. [15:11] beatzz: you're becoming self-sufficient? Great! [15:12] s/man pages/professors/ <- NaCl [15:12] Action: init[1] :D [15:12] I doubt that. :P [15:12] beatzz: how long have you been using slackware? [15:12] where ya been at latly init[1] ? [15:13] thumbs: depends, it was the first distro i ever tryed, back in slackware 10.0 [15:13] beatzz: was here and there but i couldn't find you :),is your Linux cert exam over yet ? [15:13] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "wonder if this kernel build will break the chain ...." [15:13] init[1]: Dec. 19th [15:13] gana try and move it forward a bit [15:13] i feel ready [15:14] dont wana go stale. [15:14] does slackware not provide graphical installation ? [15:14] beatzz: If you pass, init[1] will give you $100. [15:14] Action: fire|bird ducks [15:14] sahisk: no, there is no need. [15:14] ah good , i think you are too tired for today aren't you ? [15:14] thumbs: but, since i have put down everything else, and went strictly slackware, its been about....6months? [15:14] Action: init[1] Stabs fire|bird's tail [15:15] beatzz: ah, not bad. [15:15] sahisk: ncurses is graphical. :D [15:15] anavel (n=Zack@fm-ip-118.136.212.154.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [15:16] so, what i do with ncurses. agentc0re.? [15:16] sahisk: nothing [15:16] sahisk: the installer uses ncurses. [15:16] sahisk: from all the questions you have it seems ,you may not like slackware , just my opinion [15:16] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429685.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:17] atleast..after so much brain storming session , slackware do deserve a try. [15:17] Just updated to latest chrome version, and they've added extension functionality now. i grabbed the new tree, http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-linux-reliability/ from there. [15:17] brb all, gana go take this WiFi-Repeator back to Best Buy. [15:17] $100 not technicaly...NEEDED.. [15:17] beatzz: take your time [15:17] agentc0re: yeah. [15:18] init[1]: ;) [15:18] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:18] beatzz: cya soon [15:18] agentc0re: AFAICT, the API seems incomplete [15:18] prior one i used was here, http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux/ which is still updated. not sure what the difference is between the two though. [15:18] I built it from source yesterday [15:18] NaCl: ya, it's definitely still beta. [15:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.45) left irc: [15:19] My major problem right now is that there is now "quick" search function [15:20] xlordt_ (n=xlordt@24.55.70.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] if anyone is interested on how to make chrome work, http://tinyurl.com/kvy7w4 has some instructions. you just need the symlink instructions from there, and download the latest mozilla-nss from SBo. [15:20] Wood_Warrior (n=name@87.120.51.187) joined ##slackware. [15:21] agentc0re: I didn't need it. [15:21] NaCl: eh? quick search? [15:21] agentc0re: google-chrome is also on SBo [15:21] NaCl: oh.. hrm. that's interesting. [15:21] fire|bird: chromium != chrome [15:21] I know [15:21] Like, in Firefox, I can press '/' to search for stuff [15:21] whats the best tool in kde for wireless [15:21] i need a gui management app [15:21] fire|bird: Orly? hrmm. [15:21] GUI tools for wireless: wicd [15:22] agentc0re: didn't need to install mozilla-nss, it was in seamonkey-solibs [15:22] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.5) joined ##slackware. [15:22] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:22] oh, ah. [15:22] seamonkey-solibs is not the same as mozilla-nss [15:22] True, although chrom(ium) wants libnss3.so [15:23] For one, seamonkey-solibs only satisfies runtime requirements. You can not _compile_ software that needs NSS or NSPR with just the -solibs [15:23] Gotcha. [15:23] Well... [15:23] fire|bird: have you tried the SBo build? [15:23] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:23] wwChromium wanted the 32-bit libnss3.so [15:23] agentc0re: yeah [15:23] karlzt (n=karl@190-76-59-74.dyn.movilnet.com.ve) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:24] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Action: hitest wanders off for lunch [15:24] alienBOB: I guess it used the headers in the seamonkey package. [15:24] agentc0re: c'mon, this is fire|bird, you thought I hadn't? :P [15:24] Yes [15:24] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [15:24] fire|bird: lol [15:24] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:24] NaCl: have you tried the SBo version? know what the diff's are between what we have and that one? [15:24] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-245-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] agentc0re: not much. [15:25] Extensions support, and about:memory was different. [15:25] Why is IEs4Linux labeled as "BadWare" on google? [15:25] That's all I noticed. [15:25] where can i find , ati radeo xpress series 200, driver for slackware? [15:25] sahisk, Slackware 13.0 comes with the driver for that card. [15:25] sahisk, It should be used by default. [15:25] NaCl: hrmm. [15:26] agentc0re: I would be using it right now if I could search with '/' [15:26] I am trying to install twinkle...has anyone done this before on SW? [15:26] adamk,thanks [15:26] NaCl: i just search by typing whatever in the address bar. [15:27] I mean, search the current page [15:27] e.g. "ctrl+f" [15:27] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Tabmow (i=terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] any official forum for slackware related queries? [15:28] linuxquestions.org [15:28] wertik_ (n=wertik@95-24-63-134.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [15:28] Not official, IIRC [15:28] k [15:28] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] NaCl: Oh, gotcha. how'd you set the quick search to '/' ? [15:28] In FF? [15:28] adamk: Wait, Slackware comes with the ATI Radeon Xpress 200 driver!? I could NEVER get that card to work on my desktop in Ubuntu! [15:28] agentc0re: it's set by default. [15:28] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:28] NaCl: i wish the search bar would just stay up in chrome tbh. [15:29] NaCl: oh, i thought you meant in chrome. sorry. [15:29] search bar? [15:29] I wish it did. [15:29] It would make my life so much easier. [15:29] fire|bird: this is for you http://www.uzbl.org/ NaCl agentc0re you guys may like it :) [15:29] NaCl: ya, when you ctrl+f. if you don't find what you are looking for and click, next page, the search goes away and you have to ctrl+f again. [15:30] init[1]: haha, already tried it. :) [15:30] init[1]: saw, didn't like [15:30] fire|bird: o_O [15:30] NaCl: i said _may_ ;) [15:30] Mefached, The Xpress 200 GPU has been supported by the open source drivers for quite a while. [15:30] init[1]: :P [15:30] agentc0re: yeah... [15:30] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [15:31] nheco (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] agentc0re: it does that in FF too [15:31] Oh. [15:31] adamk: I couldn't get it working in Ubuntu 8.04 at all. Every time I got the driver working, my screen wouldn't display anything at all, and I kept having to fix it. [15:31] I see what you mean. [15:31] NaCl: ya, i like that. it's nice. wish it was in chrome though. :D [15:31] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-240-208.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] File a feature request. [15:32] Or ask in #chromium [15:32] Is the Chrome used in Linux a different codebase from the Windows one? [15:32] It's cross-platfrom [15:32] Looked at the source code. [15:33] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Fun. [15:34] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:35] morbid (n=morbid@75-25-116-23.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-63-134.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Her0 (n=jkemp@173-119-14-21.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-63-134.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] Her0 (n=jkemp@173-119-14-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:39] JK3MP (n=jkemp@173-119-14-21.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] inf3rnal (i=the-bake@blk-30-152-49.eastlink.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:40] hey, anyone here have any experience installing portage on slackware? [15:41] NaCl: well i got a 94 in acid3 on the new version. [15:42] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] compile error [15:42] inf3rnal: Comes default in Gentoo =p [15:42] haha, yea i know...but i dont want to reinstall [15:42] http://pastebin.ca/1704623 [15:42] have had slackware working sweet on my laptop for some time [15:42] Portage works in slack!? [15:42] just crave some package management [15:43] Meckafett, yea there's a script to get it working [15:43] Mefached: Apparently not thats why he's here=P [15:43] Well then [15:43] Including all of the optimizations, etc? [15:43] inf3rnal: So wats the problem? [15:43] If so, I don't see the attraction to Gentoo at all. :P [15:43] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-237-103.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Operation timed out [15:44] =P [15:44] just seeing if anyone has done it before ....so i know of any complications before i fuck up my system [15:44] I'm perfectly willing to fuck up my system, personally [15:44] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-165-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I like nothing more than breaking everything [15:44] inf3rnal: ah....well. GL [15:44] haha thanks [15:44] + [15:44] http://pastebin.ca/1704623 i got compile errors with new 2.6.32 kernel [15:44] But that's why I play Dwarf Fortress [15:44] inf3rnal: Let us know how it works out. [15:46] i found a turial on installling slackware. it does say to make a partition for /boot. does it not require a partition for /boot? [15:46] substancev, 64bit processor? [15:46] sahisk: no [15:46] inf3rnal: nope.. [15:46] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [15:46] sahisk: /boot can perfectly well be on the same partition as / [15:47] sahisk: please, just use the install guide in www.slackbook.org [15:47] I still put everything in one partition. Is there a real, legitimate reason not to? [15:47] Action: substancev looks at macavity. :) [15:47] sahisk, some say it's safer [15:47] sahisk: in fact, dont get info from any other sources at this point :P [15:47] Mefached: yes, when you need to have / on lvm or luks [15:47] substancev: ya lookin at me punk?!? :P [15:47] k, what if i had , window installed in other partition.? [15:48] slackware will detect it and shred it into a million peices [15:48] .. what do you think? [15:48] haha then dont put boot there or you will run it to problems when you try to boot windows [15:48] problems = windows wont be there anymore [15:49] ~~~~~ [15:49] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:49] macavity: ya bro... check out that pastebin.. this is rediculous. [15:49] inf3rnal: That's a problem? [15:49] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] yea if he wants windows [15:49] win 7 ios pretty legit [15:49] Check out FSF's anti-7 campaign, they're actually making good points [15:50] FSF? [15:50] substancev: did you patch something? [15:50] Free Software Foundation [15:50] fsf.org [15:50] does LILO don't provide option before overwriting mbr? [15:50] man i own it and i dont have any problems......i only use slack because of compiz [15:50] Mefached: the FSF is nearly always making good points [15:50] nope.... [15:50] just compiling. [15:50] macavity: I'm not a big fan of EVERYTHING MUST BE FREE [15:50] sahisk: what does that mean in english? [15:50] I find the open source model to be best for more practical reasons; I don't believe in ethics [15:50] inf3rnal: my computer config is not high enough for compiz fusion. :( [15:51] Mefached: you become that as soon as something proprietary fucks you up and you cant get to fix it :P [15:51] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:51] sahisk, lilo should ask for mbr or start of disk or boot disk [15:51] i mean LILO, master boot record wher window loader is loaded already. [15:51] macavity: Well, see, that's why I don't use proprietary software [15:51] sahisk, is this your first linux install? [15:51] But that's a personal choice, not an ethical crusade [15:51] naaah [15:51] then i suggest GRUB [15:52] sahisk: still not making much sense [15:52] but yeah , first time to lilo loader. [15:52] Mefached: exactly :P [15:52] inf3rnal: I always found GRUB easier, acually. Probably because I started with Ubuntu, and I broke it so many times I spent forever editing menu.lst [15:52] windows 7 is surprisingly good [15:52] Action: substancev shoots jeev [15:52] jeev, i totally agree [15:52] jeev: ... for an M$ OS [15:52] not any better/worse than Vista [15:53] well...some ways worse [15:53] jeev: Yes, if you appreciate absurd privacy violations, "trusted computing", and bloated hardware requirements [15:53] jeev: i have allready seen it fuck up the graphics pretty severe [15:53] it's better than vista [15:53] FreeDOS is better than Vista [15:53] What's your point? [15:53] straterra: i think you're the first person who i've seen that didn't think win7 was better than vista [15:53] Mefached, i've got pretty good hardware, privacy, eh [15:53] substancev: ill get it a compile try and see [15:53] i've learned to admit that we have no privacy [15:53] ananke, lots of changes were done for change sake [15:53] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:53] it pissed me off [15:53] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [15:53] macavity: im sorry what? [15:53] jeev: Which is why you should use software that respects said privacy [15:53] straterra, i got mw2 for pc. it's sort of gay but [15:54] I spend most of my time with GPG, Tor, Freenet, etc [15:54] no more interactive network indicator [15:54] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] straterra: i don't see how that makes win7 worse than vista [15:54] Mefached, you ultimately have no privacy [15:54] jeev: You're obviously not familiar with people who are paranoid with cryptography [15:54] ananke, my major gripe is how the ui near the taskbar has gaps [15:54] man, what's with all the win haters? it's not like any of you have anything of importance that you need to hide from anyone anyway [15:54] inf3rnal: Oh, really? Of course not. [15:54] the pirvacy is acceptable [15:54] substancev: i will download .32 and give it a try [15:54] it pretty much broke focus-with-mouse-cursor [15:55] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Mefached, you could be as paranoid as you want, at one point.. you're going to make a mistake [15:55] :( it will probably work [15:55] laj_ (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:55] straterra: haven't noticed that myself [15:55] i dont like windows 7 when you hover over something, it shows the previous.. like firefox.. i hate that [15:55] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.96.236) joined ##slackware. [15:55] i did as soon as i loaded it at work [15:56] Also, Windows is terrible because the software is trash. [15:56] just some other things that annoy me too [15:56] I'd rather run ReactOS than a Windows OS [15:56] Mefached, without windows, i wouldn't be able to own straterra in cod4 mw [15:56] Perhaps you should play games actually worth playing [15:56] master boot record : place where by default you window's boot loader is installed, which start the bootstrap loader for me. If i installed slackware and i done "ok" to "lilo" it will over write the window default loader . so ,i am asking ,since it's textual installation :first time for me, will it provide me a option for putting window option too ? if no, then how can i done so? [15:56] hang man ? [15:57] Or support Linux gaming by not falling into the "I must buy a Windows machine" trap [15:57] yeah..good thing its the year of the linux desktop to save us with its 1 percent market share [15:57] Mefached, hahahahahaha [15:57] sahisk: it actually should detect the windows installation and add an entry in lilo for that. [15:57] there is no such thing as "support this or that" [15:57] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] you'll never get what you want [15:57] sahisk: the question is just weather or not that entry will work and may require further tweeking. [15:57] sahisk, you can edit the lilo.conf file to add a windows boot option...it's pretty simple [15:58] jeev: You're an idiot. [15:58] and you're ignored [15:58] ELECTRYPNOSE (n=factory@208.98.14.24) joined ##slackware. [15:58] ya, simple for a evangelist like you. inf3rnal [15:58] while you're ignored, go complain to infinity ward about modern warfare 2, not having admins and dedicated servers [15:58] tell me when they give a shit about you [15:58] Guess what I don't do? [15:58] Play proprietary games. [15:58] ELECTRYPNOSE (n=factory@208.98.14.24) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [15:59] no no....i meant editting the lilo.conf is simple to add the windows option if the one lilo does for you doesnt work....i wasnt trying to insult you [15:59] Thanks for proving my point, jeev. [15:59] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [15:59] back :D [15:59] sahisk: the slackware installer will detect windows installs and ask you if you want to add them to lilo [15:59] sup macavity [16:00] sahisk: HOWEVER i belive that some rather cluefull people in here adviced you to run slackware in a virtual machine for your first go [16:00] sahisk: and i tend to agree with them... you dont seem like the independant type who just reads the freaking manual and get it over with [16:00] hey beatzz [16:00] did you get your flash cards made for the linux exam? [16:00] macavity: err.. [16:01] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] sahisk, basically, lilo will try to add the windows option automatically and install itself in the MBR. If the automatically thing doesnt work, you can edit /etc/lilo.conf to add the windows boot option yourself. [16:03] inf3rnal: will ask you more.once i done finish installing SW [16:03] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:03] alright, let me know how it goes [16:03] . thanks guys for answering my doubts. [16:03] sure... [16:04] gotta sleep. ciya. mwah. * [16:04] l8r [16:05] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:05] macavity: Nope, no flashcards. Thinkin about just reviewin the book one more time. I dunno. [16:05] sahisk (n=sonu@59.177.33.5) left ##slackware. [16:05] I have a problem with VRDP under VirtualBox. The client gets error messages as "The connection closed unexpectedly". I have 4 VM with it's own VRDP port, on the host RDP is disabled. [16:06] beatzz: is it a multiple choice questionaire? [16:07] 15:06] [Pig_Pen(+ei)] [3:freenode/##slackware(+JPcfnt 1,3 #overflow)] [16:07] [##slackware] [16:07] what is this 'linux test'? [16:07] lol [16:07] macavity: yes. [16:07] I get , any idea why this could happen ? , : __nanosleep_nocancel () from /lib/libc.so.6 [16:07] so the blue screen of death has been replace by a black one in windows 7. thats certainly an improvement [16:07] no bsod is still there [16:07] i've gotten it [16:08] but only because my ram is failing [16:08] I like black...favorite color... [16:08] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Nah, the black screen doesn't illuminate basements as well [16:08] i was loading BBs in to my BB gun and had BBs on the touchpad of my lappy and it did that when i was grabbing for them, last time i use my laptop's touchpad to old BBs [16:08] Mefached: I own a desk lamp =P [16:08] beatzz: "which of the following options does ls not take [ ] -Q [ ] -a [ ] --help-me-out-here [ ] --fno-tail-on-loops" :P [16:08] s/old/hold [16:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [16:09] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:09] macavity: .....C? [16:11] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:11] :P [16:12] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-251-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [16:12] hm maybe I should reinstall the package with libc.so.6 which one is that ? [16:13] "which of the following distributions will surely get you fired for suggesting it to the boss: Slackware, Fedora Rawhide, Gentoo, Ubuntu, CentOS" [16:13] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:13] Wood_Warrior (n=name@87.120.51.187) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [16:14] siene (n=d@212.183.140.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] Nick change: alisonken1hom3 -> alisonken1home [16:14] im going to compile again to see if it occurs in the same place. [16:14] gentoo probably [16:14] exit [16:14] macavity: probably ubuntu [16:16] Surprisingly, a lot of businesses are starting to use Ubuntu [16:16] Because they can play the admin less [16:16] small businesses [16:17] fedora... centos.. are already popular [16:17] Axius (n=ade@92.84.7.155) joined ##slackware. [16:17] atleast in my company and companies i support... global telecom... [16:17] gentoo maybe another one to get ya fired. [16:18] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:19] macavity: ran make again... lets see if it fails on the same spot [16:20] I think the answer is either Gentoo or Slackware [16:20] Since admins who can actually handle those systems will probably be more expensive [16:20] And a boss cares more about money than about how good a distro is, I promise [16:20] jakemills (n=jakemill@78.145.202.23) joined ##slackware. [16:21] if i want to put slackware on a dvd, is a slimline dvd just the same as a normal one... only slimmer? (stupid question but has to be asked) [16:21] same format afaik [16:21] Axius (n=ade@92.84.7.155) left irc: Client Quit [16:22] inf3rnal, thanks [16:23] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [16:25] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:31] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:31] which arch are you on? and, how did you generate your config ? [16:31] macavity: i have a overheating problem with my gpu.. but i have a cooling system that keeps my temps low... so bad memory? [16:31] uva (i=bno@118-160-162-163.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:32] Just tested kernel 2.6.31.6, compiled with the config from 2.6.29.6-huge-smp. Noticed that Laptop is running HOT > 95 degrees celcius. Does anyone know what the cooling setting in the kernel is, eg fan etc. [16:32] substancev: what temperatures are we talking about here? [16:32] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ANPaHK13.html im using this thrice... procedure for .config was zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config [16:33] thumbs: i was reaching near 200 fahrenheit... now im at 98 farenheit [16:33] substancev: what's that in C? [16:33] Action: thumbs doesn't use F [16:33] /usr/src/linux/.config ? should be /usr/src/linux-2.6.32*/.config [16:33] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-205.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] 32 [16:34] i believe [16:34] substancev: ok, 32 is fine. [16:35] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] substancev: however, most CPU's and GPU's will run much hotter than that. [16:36] i know.. but i made a homemade cooling station for my lappy [16:36] it keeps it cool [16:36] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] thumbs: my nvidia gpu will run to a max of 105C before slowdown [16:36] ice packs? [16:36] substancev: you must have a terrific cooling solution that can sustain 32C [16:36] snL20: yes, some chipsets can run quite hot. [16:36] jakemills (n=jakemill@78.145.202.23) left irc: "Leaving" [16:37] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-207-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:37] substancev: watercooling ? [16:37] thumbs: nope fans... a bit noisy... but any more fans and my laptop would hover [16:37] :) back to my compile issues should i swap memory banks? [16:38] substancev: then you're not running at 32C, I guarantee you :) [16:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] i can sustain 89-92 degrees [16:38] f [16:38] substancev: we still need to determine if it's a overheating problem. [16:39] substancev: that's quite different from 32. [16:39] firedix_ (n=firedix@host183.200-117-195.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:39] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] 32 is 90 F [16:39] regardless... ill try swapping memeory [16:39] thumbs: its about 33.3 C [16:40] oh, you keep using F. Annoying. [16:40] twinkle [16:40] woopsy [16:40] firedix (n=firedix@host21.190-230-58.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:40] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [16:40] my gpu is at 59C and CPU at 27C [16:40] Nick change: firedix_ -> firedix [16:40] thumbs: im in the us [16:41] substancev: yes, but you're talking to an international audience. [16:41] i understand farenheit bit better [16:41] substancev: some of us don't use F [16:41] then convert :P [16:41] and some of us don't use C [16:41] :D [16:41] thumbs: and vise versa [16:41] but all of us know how to convert [16:41] (i hope) [16:41] morbid: I just use units [16:41] I felt that the person asking for help should do that, but anyway. [16:42] There are people who actually use F? [16:42] My mind is blown. [16:42] Mefached: yes, unfortunately. [16:42] Mefached: its popular in the US [16:42] =) [16:42] don't we use K now? [16:42] considering it is the most used scale in the US, yes, some do [16:42] thumbs: /usr/src/linux-2.6.32-subv/arch/x86/include/asm/processor.h:487: confused by earlier errors, bailing out this is the reason it failed [16:43] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:43] thumbs: should i make clean prior to trying again ? [16:43] substancev: can we see the earlier errors? [16:43] has anyone ever used the repository from the Italian Slackware site? [16:43] pastebin.ca/1704687 [16:43] its all there before and after [16:43] elliot98: no, but it might be fun. [16:44] wuttup beatzz [16:44] substancev: did you mf5 the kernel tarball? [16:44] they seem to have a lot of nonstandard packages [16:44] sup substancev [16:44] poo... nope [16:44] watching a virtual tour or New York City [16:44] cool [16:44] where you from [16:44] beatzz: virtual tour? i'll give you a real one, just tell me when you land [16:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.205) joined ##slackware. [16:45] all over, except North East [16:46] scenerio: lets say im compiling a kernel and mid compile i have a power outtage... how do i restart the build... do i just run make again or first make clean then make [16:46] Virginia Beach, Virginia -> Summersville, South Carolina -> San Diego, CA -> Ft. Knoxx, Kentucky -> Ft. Gordon, Georgia -> Sacramento, CA -> Colville, WA -> San Antonio, TX [16:46] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) left irc: "Saindo" [16:46] the kernel is pretty smart, "make" should skip over stuff it's already done [16:46] nyRednek: I'd love to go there for like a week one day. [16:47] elliot98: slacky.eu compile their packages on their own version of "Slacky" Gnome so most will not work on stock Slackware [16:47] beatzz: just llet me know [16:47] so make doesn't start from begining? it just continues where it left off? [16:47] nyRednek: for shure :D if i ever make it up there, i will defnintly get in touch w/ u about it. [16:47] substancev: err that was md5, sorry. [16:47] have to go take a tour of one of the DNS Root servers thats up there [16:47] beatzz: i live on staten island, but know my way around brooklyn and manhattan [16:48] w/e the good drinkings at. ;) [16:48] AlienBOB: gotcha...I'll guess if I install anything, I'll check out the Slackbuild first for any odd coding [16:48] beatzz: if you want to go many places other than yankee stadium in the bronx, or anywhwere in queens, you're on your own [16:48] so 'make' doesn't start from begining? it just continues where it left off? [16:48] Does anyone know why my laptop overheats with a new compiled kernel 2.6.31.6 -> config from 2.6.29.6-huge-smp [16:48] thumbs? [16:49] substancev: did you mf5 the kernel tarball? s/mf5/md5/ [16:49] oh, drinking? the east village and greenwich village are full of win for drinking spots [16:51] thumbs: no [16:51] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] substancev: it's due to the structure of make [16:51] substancev: make sure your tarball was intact [16:51] crap [16:51] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZH015084.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:51] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:52] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.5) left irc: [16:53] thumbs: :( i never really checked md5... [16:53] let me load the gui [16:53] substancev: md5sum [16:54] did you run "make oldconfig" and go through the options ? [16:54] ok.. ive started the kernel build perfectly according to the instructions i gave you substancev [16:56] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@d58-106-26-163.sbr2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:56] maybe we should have him start over [16:58] ChickenLittle (n=robert@ZH015084.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] macavity: man... how can i test my memory [16:58] memtest? [16:58] seems like a good place to start [16:58] memtest86 [16:59] memtest+ :) [16:59] Download a memtest86+ image that you can boot from a USB stick [16:59] alienBOB: fine. [16:59] i don't have that [16:59] err [16:59] ananke: fine. [16:59] ok [16:59] Or one that you burn to CD [16:59] unless you have a microscope.. then you could sand down the plastic shell and inspect each sell manually :P [16:59] sure. [17:00] im going to try diff memory.. [17:00] how do i proceed to run make again... do i make clean then make? [17:00] CDROM image : http://www.memtest.org/download/4.00/memtest86+-4.00.iso.gz [17:00] substancev: make clean; make [17:00] i don't have media or a usb right now [17:01] use grub2 :) [17:01] another sweet feature of grub [17:01] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [17:02] Well http://www.memtest.org/download/4.00/memtest86+-4.00.floppy.zip is a floppy image [17:03] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-224.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:03] GammalSokk (n=johskar@130.84-48-46.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] you can boot that with lilo or grub. simply use memdisk [17:04] memdisk as the kernel, that image as initrd [17:04] nice [17:07] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] elliot98 (n=elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [17:13] DallaRosa (n=dalla@dn157-047.naist.jp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:14] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] man.. [17:15] i just tried 5 times... all died out at different spots [17:15] brb [17:15] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.21.51) joined ##slackware. [17:16] hi, i am using slackware64 13.0 + alien's multilib. i have k3b, and it keeps crashing when i rip a cd to mp3. i just built lame from slackbuilds, and i changed the arch to 64 bit. is k3b acting up for anyone else? or should have i made lame 32bit ? [17:17] blkdg: I see no reason to use 32-bit binaries for anything, that you can compile yourself from source (apart from wine) [17:18] k3b in slackware 13 (and kde4 in general) is incomplete, so I wouldn't expect many great things from it [17:18] The k3b that is in 13.0 is not stable, you can use the /extra/kde3-compat/ packages which also has the older k3b (which works well) [17:20] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:21] Mefached (n=jonathan@c-75-65-53-44.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:23] so it's not lame acting up . good to know. i assumed k3b would work, kde4.2 prompted me to rip it and i blindly trusted... ok, besides a command line, is there anything built into slackware64 that will rip cd's? [17:26] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.127) joined ##slackware. [17:26] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:26] blkdg: kaudiocreator [17:26] btw, thanks for the multilib support alien, it lets me use skype and that let's me talk to family. kudos. [17:27] You're welcome [17:27] will try kaudio.. [17:28] i found it with alt f2, but it's not in the multimedia menu, weird. [17:29] Inacio (i=1000@80.149.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:31] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:33] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:36] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] ok swapped out memory and got farther [17:36] still crashed this time the error was fs/jffs2/scan.c:277: internal compiler error: Illegal instruction [17:36] blkdg: it should be listed as "CD ripper" [17:39] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [17:40] ananke: btw, are you on slackware64? [17:42] it worked. i just don't know how it new where to dump the encoded file. i mean, i didn't do anything in the prefs. but change the encoder from wav to lame. weird. [17:42] oh well, thanks again folks [17:42] it worked! [17:42] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:42] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [17:42] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176086173.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] alienBOB: so if i needed a file "libgtkglext-x11-1.0.so.0" i would just look for gtkglext on sbopkg? [17:44] answer: yes [17:45] :D [17:45] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [17:45] beatzz: did it take you longer to type in the question than to actually check? :P [17:46] :/ yes [17:46] sbopkg can search file names? how does that work? [17:46] beatzz: teehee :P [17:47] thrice`: that the main binary in gtkglext happen to be called libgtkglext-x11 :P [17:47] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] thrice`: in short, our good beatzz used his head as to guess the package name correctly [17:47] beatzz: looks like your up to 86% now ;-) [17:48] booyah!! [17:48] Action: beatzz levels up~~~ [17:49] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [17:49] anyway, if anyone on slackware64 with webkit-gtk wants to have a very quick look at my browser which uses several processes to achieve better stability and safety ultimately, see http://pers.yaxm.org/temp/caravel_test.tar.xz (500KB), there are two binaries: run "webkit_worker" first, it'll output a "pid: XXXXX" line, and then run "manager XXXXX" (with XXXXX being the pid of the former app, as written on stdout by webkit_worker) [17:49] it doesn't do much, but it is multi-process which is already something really nice ;p [17:50] (took me longer than expected, I dumped dbus-glib for IPC in the end and went for sun/onc RPC, dbus-glib was really annoying to work with) [17:50] macavity: due to that question/asnwer i now have pSX running again [17:50] :D [17:51] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:51] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] so i can geek out and play final fantasy origins [17:52] Anyone ever cut the wiskers off of one side of a cats face? [17:53] i herd they vier to that side after you do. [17:53] not lately:) [17:53] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.21.51) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] pfft comrad [17:54] i'm not gonna ru your ViRii [17:54] run [17:54] jeev: hahaha :P [17:54] jeev: jail it ;-) [17:54] you russians have jail breaking powers [17:55] jeev: not really, escapes from goulag have been pretty uncommon ;-) [17:55] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@d58-106-29-39.sbr2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:55] anyway, I can give the source but it's ocaml and most people are unlikely to have it [17:56] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.110.220) joined ##slackware. [17:56] there are ocaml and lablgtk2 slackbuilds on sbo but it also needs a few other libs [17:56] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:56] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:57] nvision (n=nvision@e179137171.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:57] crazy [17:57] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-251-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:57] jeev: imagine a safer browser ;-) [17:58] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] DallaRosa (n=dalla@dn157-047.naist.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Camarade_Tux, writing another browser? There are so many alread [18:01] ~ [18:01] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [18:01] hiptobecubic: and there is still room for something at least a bit good [18:01] :D [18:01] is there anyway to get the info like if its a L5.1 from a .mkv file ? [18:02] sory, my kid got a hold of the keyboard. [18:02] snL20, probably? will mplayer tell you? [18:02] hiptobecubic: dont know... maybe in verbose [18:02] Camarade_Tux, imagine a safer world [18:02] i think im gana go check on some of the wireless networks in my neiborhood. [18:02] impossible! [18:02] Camarade_Tux: nope, i haven't used slackware64 [18:02] see if i cant beef up their encription for them [18:02] jeev: you're californian? [18:02] Camarade_Tux, doesn't that tell yous omething? you're imagining a safer browser [18:02] Camarade_Tux, building webkit..... [18:03] no, i'm at the kremlin now [18:03] ananke: bah ^^ [18:03] jeev: ok, thanks, security is coming to you, wanna taste Siberia? [18:03] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@n146s183.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] snL20: mplayer's -identify option [18:03] Camarade_Tux, i'm the one who decides who goes to siberia and who goes to sarah palin's home [18:03] siberia is beautiful [18:04] if you want to avoid the pain, you'll accept going to siberia [18:04] jeev, they pretty much right next to each other anyway :) [18:04] they are* [18:04] seriously [18:04] she can shoot you from a helicopter [18:04] you can almost see one from the other, i hear [18:04] if you live, sh e may adobt you and name you "bullet fragment" [18:04] do any of you own a 240hz tv? [18:04] <120 [18:05] ubergay, 60 is best [18:05] snL20: try mkvtoolnix [18:05] alienBOB: yeah, not useful [18:05] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] snL20: and "ffmpeg -i " ? [18:06] alienBOB: I'll try [18:06] I wish there were a better way to find obscure programs based on function [18:06] hiptobecubic: ? [18:07] Camarade_Tux, building sir. I didn't have webkit and we don't all have phenom quads lying around :) [18:07] webkit took me ~40 minutes to build last time [18:08] on a core2duo, 2.0ghz. probably the slowest compile out there [18:08] Well i'm not even there yet, i'm building icu4u4cu4cu [18:08] hiptobecubic: hahaha :P [18:08] thrice`: try comiling that on a 330 Mhz celeron with 32 megs ram :D [18:08] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:08] Pig_Pen: worse: try an atom! :D [18:09] better, use alienBOB's package ;) [18:09] alienBOB: Stream #0.0: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x720, PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9, 23.98 tbr, 1k tbn, 47.95 tbc nothing about L5.1 [18:09] who does think that the kdevelop 4 is a crippled beast please rise your hands [18:10] paul424: go complain in #kdevelop [18:10] not thinking anything, not using it :) [18:10] i dont like any part of kde-4.x it would not hurt my feelings if Pat dropped kde-4.x like he did to gnome, just include lightweight window managers [18:10] won't happen, it's needed by newbs like jeev [18:11] |Cyb3rGh0st| (n=user@94.75.222.181) joined ##slackware. [18:11] they would have xfce [18:11] icu is done... moving on to webkit-r45012 [18:11] xfce is ok [18:11] Action: pprkut hugs his kde4 [18:11] I don't know about dropping kde4 but including lxde (with openbox, pcmanfm, gpicview) would be pretty nice [18:11] kde4 can suck my ass [18:12] openbox + xfce4 panel :) [18:12] hiptobecubic: here, put this rocket on computer, should help it run faster [18:12] Anyone in here install limewire from slackbuilds ? [18:12] Is it possible that pat sometimes adds the packages to the main release if they are tagged as unstable / development ? [18:12] openbox + rox --pinboard=PIN + tint2 [18:12] paul424, sometimes, sure. k3b is a good example in slackware 13 [18:13] i haven't tried rox yet. Although thunar has been acting like a lunatic lately so i might. [18:13] thrice`: aha ok [18:13] i don't know if i can handle my xfce panel not being there. I am too attached. it does everything [18:14] i made conky act like a panel in flux, some information thats it, dont need no icons or anything [18:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [18:19] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:20] Action: hiptobecubic enjoys his panel-plugins [18:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] damn webkit is taking its time [18:21] hiptobecubic: yeah, definitely [18:21] crashdata (n=crashdat@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] gabba (n=gabba@pool-173-69-205-71.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] hi anyone here palyed bf2 on wine? [18:22] mine only has 1 resolution 800x600 [18:22] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:23] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:24] morbid (n=morbid@75-25-116-23.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] Just noticed a new option in 2.6.31.6 -> Acer Aspire One temperature and fan driver -> This module is not build when using 2.6.29.6 config. Pretty essential to have a temperature and fan control on a laptop :-) [18:25] merciful: that is why you use make oldconfig and read each question :P [18:26] (or do like i do, hold down enter, then menuconfig and go over every single thing ;-) [18:26] btw, .32 is out, so you are lagging behind :P [18:26] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:27] i just built .32, but haven't rebooted. (stupid webkit) [18:27] hiptobecubic: ^^ [18:27] Camarade_Tux, I still don't have ocaml :D [18:28] lol bf2 graphics looks pretty good on slack :) [18:29] hiptobecubic: yeah, I know, nobody does but hopefully ocaml isn't needed to run ocaml programs, only to compile [18:31] Camarade_Tux, i /do/ intend to try it out. at least for a little while. [18:31] Although i must say i'm pretty happy with python and c++ right now [18:32] Considering i don't have any real reason to be doing anything at all [18:33] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] hiptobecubic: :) [18:34] hiptobecubic: well, I can show you the code I wrote today, you probaly won't understand it but you'll see it's pretty short and not really obfuscated (unlike C++ can be) [18:34] actually, I have them already pastebin'ed [18:35] Does the ownership of a tunnel interface determine who can access it? [18:36] I would like to see some speed of development competitions. It's one thing for everyone to always talk about python and ruby using fewer lines, but what really matters is time per algorithm [18:36] if you can write a long piece of code that does something faster than someone else can write a short one, who cares if its shorter [18:36] http://vpaste.net/Q7UVz? <- rpc server, opening the windows [18:37] http://vpaste.net/c8YGq? <- rpc client [18:37] hiptobecubic: heard about the ICFP contest? [18:37] Camarade_Tux, nope [18:37] ivan__ (n=ivan@29.78.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] yeah i don't understand any of this at all :) [18:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] vpaste needs someone to implement line numbers [18:38] hiptobecubic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICFP_Programming_Contest#Prizes <- see the "Lightning" column [18:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] hiptobecubic: btw, server: 67 lines, client: 13 lines [18:39] nice [18:40] macavity: I'm behind, I know, first get this thing running, then 2.6.32 [18:41] did substance get his kernel up and running? [18:42] Camarade_Tux, interesting. although it's bizarre that c++ and java won the lightning round in 2004 [18:42] thumbs: i think he is mucking about with memtest86 now.. [18:42] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:43] macavity: ah [18:43] hiptobecubic: it's also influenced by the teams, more and more C++ and python programmers are joining the competition and there are probably more C++ teams than ocaml ones [18:43] Camarade_Tux, ah. Sure. [18:45] damn, webkit. 32 mintues so far [18:45] hiptobecubic: which machine? [18:45] Linux eleanor 2.6.31.6-eleanor-smp #12 SMP PREEMPT Mon Nov 23 03:52:33 CST 2009 x86_64 AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [18:46] which freq? [18:46] 2x2ghz [18:47] hiptobecubic: have you set the cpu governor to performance? [18:47] hiptobecubic: also, shouldn't take much longer [18:47] Camarade_Tux, it's on 'on demand' but i can see that both are maxed [18:47] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "on, off, on, off... no, I can't make up my damn mind :P" [18:47] DallaRosa (n=dalla@dn157-047.naist.jp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:47] macavity: I still think it's a overheating issue. [18:48] actually, powertop says they are floating between 2 and 1.6 [18:48] mostly at 2 though [18:48] thumbs: could very well be [18:48] hiptobecubic: try putting it to performance until the compilation ends [18:48] where is that in sysfs? [18:49] rza_sharp (n=rza_shar@bas4-kingston08-1242464304.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:49] or i could just modprobe -r powernowk8 [18:50] hiptobecubic: the thing is that with compilation (less with C++ compilation but noticeably with C compilation), the freq drops, increases, lowers, and so on, that wastes a lot of time (if you ever run the sunspider micro-benchmark suite, you really want to set the governor to performance) [18:50] hiptobecubic: echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [18:50] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [18:50] cpu0 and cpu1 are maybe linked (not sure on turion) [18:50] Camarade_Tux, i'm not sure i have the other governers built at the moment [18:51] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:52] or maybe i do [18:52] hiptobecubic: shouldn't take long now anyway [18:53] Camarade_Tux, yeah it's running at 100% now [18:54] Camarade_Tux, what are the other settings? performance, ondemand... conservative? [18:55] Camarade_Tux, nevermind, i see the scaling_available_governers file [18:55] userspace and powersave [18:55] i apparently only have performance and ondemand enabled [18:57] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:57] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:59] #ubuntu [18:59] fuk again lolz [19:00] cyborg-one (i=1000@nas-12-029.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: "I regret Nothing..." [19:03] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:03] Well that's really a cool couple of lines to join into. [19:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [19:03] Razec (i=1000@187-27-244-107.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:03] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [19:05] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:08] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-240-208.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [19:09] :D [19:09] ananke: hahaha :P [19:12] Mefached (n=jonathan@66.175.144.84) joined ##slackware. [19:12] laj_ (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] Well, 12.2 managed to install nicely. [19:13] Just one question: when I first started, the KDE wizard asked how strong my processor was, and I think I answered too low. Everything is pretty blurry. How do I set this higher? [19:13] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [19:15] Mefached, try installing video drivers [19:16] notte @ tutti [19:17] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:17] ok.. .32 compiles fine with everything enabled [19:18] despiron (n=despiron@187.64.20.168) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [19:18] ferdna: How would I check what video card I have? I just got this laptop recently. I assume the drivers would be at slackbuilds? [19:19] Mefached, consult with your manufacture [19:19] r [19:19] There's not something I could just run at a console? [19:19] Mefached: lspci | grep VGA [19:20] Thanks [19:20] but if it doesnt work out of the box that probably means nVidia [19:20] or if you are severly out of luck, Via [19:20] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01) [19:21] Mefached: yuck [19:21] The reason it looks blurry is because the screen's native resolution is 1280x800 but the highest one in the Control Panel is 1024x768 [19:21] Every other distro I've installed has detected it by default [19:22] X -configure [19:22] oh wait [19:22] Mefached: are you using a xorg.conf file? [19:23] Mefached: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_ [19:23] Do I need to go down a runlevel to use X -configure? [19:23] thumbs: he said "Slackware 12.2" [19:23] aahhh [19:23] DONT [19:23] alienBOB: sorry. [19:23] Tsk tsk [19:23] Mefached: disregard what i just said!!! [19:23] OK. [19:23] Mefached: i took 13.0 for granted [19:23] Mefached: well.. if you are on an outdated distro... [19:23] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:24] I only went with 12.2 because I wanted KDE 3.5 to work out of the box [19:24] There is a 3.5 build for Slackware 13 too Mefached [19:24] Mefached: 13.0 uses a X that doesn't require a config file. It's quite nice. [19:24] http://slackware.osuosl.org/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [19:24] not to mention that it has "modern" Ati drivers [19:25] Regardless, that would require me to torrent more and burn even more CDs. Preferably I'd like to just change the resolution to 1280 x 800. [19:25] Can I upgrade to 13.0 with slapt-get and keep 3.5? [19:25] Mefached: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and hack in the 1280x800 in front of the other resolutions [19:25] Mefached: I would read UPGRADE.TXT [19:26] gotta go to bed now, good night :) [19:26] Mefached: and please, slapt-get is unsupported.. we have no idea what it does and how it works [19:26] btw, reading that...i'm using slackpkg (or i do upgrading manually) is slapt-get better, worse, or just different [19:26] Out of curiosity, anyone has a toshiba laptop? (with slack, obviously) [19:26] Mefached: on 12.2 slackpkg is in the extra/ dir on the DVD [19:26] cteg: slackpkg is great [19:26] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] cteg: to upgrade major versions, read the UPGRADE.TXT [19:27] thumbs: yeah, i'm running current for years now [19:28] mostly upgraded manually, i recently discovered slackpkg... [19:28] Kaapa: I installed it, a long time ago. [19:28] art (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] cteg: you should be fine, still. [19:28] so, i basically dont upgrade versions, i'm just on current for years [19:28] Nick change: art -> artv61 [19:28] cteg: hey, if it works for you :) [19:28] thumbs: my latptop baterry lasts about 45 minutes; it's the only things that prevents me from being 100% happy with this setup. [19:29] Everything else works great [19:29] yeah its great :) never had big issues [19:29] slackpkg should be in ap/ for 12.2 [19:29] I have never seen an xorg.conf with this much documentation @.@ [19:29] Kaapa: ouch. I didn't play with ACPI back then [19:29] slackware current is more stable than anything else [19:29] execpt -stable. [19:30] the video intensity diminishes, so that seems to be working ok. I admit I don't know what other variables come into play a [19:30] Kaapa: 45 minutes sounds like a severely depleted battery. Is this an old laptop? [19:32] hmmm, wondering, can a phenom II X4 run at 70°C? [19:32] alienBOB: I found this thing called mediainfo [19:32] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:32] thumbs: no, 1 yo or so [19:32] Kaapa: well, how many cells does the battery have? [19:33] Alright, I put 1280x800 in xorg.conf in the right place [19:33] thumbs: how can I answer that question? :p [19:33] I'll be right back [19:33] Mefached (n=jonathan@66.175.144.84) left irc: "Leaving." [19:33] Kaapa: the manufacturer specs tell you, usually. [19:34] dunno then [19:34] Mefached (n=jonathan@66.175.144.84) joined ##slackware. [19:34] Kaapa: it's either 4 cells, 6 cells or 9 cells. [19:34] Kaapa: the former will last < 2 hours [19:35] After modifying xorg.conf does logging out and in cause changes or do I need to reboot? [19:35] Kaapa: have you played with powertop at all? [19:35] Mefached: killing X is sufficient [19:35] hackedhead: no, never even heard of it [19:35] oh wait... that might only be for certain laptops [19:36] has anyone used laptop-mode-tools? [19:36] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Kaapa: might be worth a look: lesswatts.org [19:37] thanks [19:37] i think it only works for intel chips [19:37] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.110.220) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] but if it does work with your hardware, it can tell you a lot [19:37] and suggest ways to save power [19:37] Modes "1280x800" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" [19:37] This is what I put underneath all of the color depths [19:37] That's correct? [19:37] Mefached: sounds good. However... [19:38] Mefached: if your driver is incorrect, you might be limited to 1024 [19:38] Fun. [19:38] Mefached: what driver is the device section using? [19:38] alienBOB, i just installed jack and hydrogen from your repo. i already had compiled libsndfile from slackbuilds for an earlier installation of audacity. when i run hydrogen, i get this error: hydrogen: error while loading shared libraries: libsamplerate.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory any ideas? [19:39] Jordanlw (n=Jordan@202.61.218.3.static.rev.aanet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:39] vesa [19:39] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.36.82) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Mefached: that's why. [19:39] blkdg: guess what [19:40] Mefached: vesa will not go above 1024. [19:40] Install libsamplerate [19:40] Can I just directly hack that to fix it? And to what? [19:40] i scrwed up alienBOB ? [19:40] and be sure the slackbuild uses --enable-shared [19:41] i will look for it in your repo [19:41] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-98-149-8-157.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Mefached: you need to install the oss or proprieatry ATI drivers, and change the device section in the xorg.conf [19:41] Mefached: some have better luck with the OSS drivers, some work better with the latter. [19:41] I'll try the OSS drivers first [19:41] Slackbuilds, I assume? [19:42] Mefached: sure, have a look. [19:42] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:42] oss drivers? you should already have them with slackware [19:43] cteg: I can't recall their name, however. [19:43] alienBOB: I found this neat app called mediainfo :) [19:43] just choose ati [19:43] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] it will load the correct driver [19:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:43] would you edit your http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/hydrogen/pkg64/13.0/hydrogen-0.9.4-x86_64-1alien.dep to include libsamplerate ? [19:43] cteg: worth a try, I guess. [19:43] please :) [19:43] does anyone remember the link that antiwire sent me with the kernel compiling guide [19:43] Mefached: try ati instead of vesa, and see what happens. [19:44] it's running ! yay! [19:44] was today about 4 hours ago [19:44] Looks good snL20 [19:44] Mefached (n=jonathan@66.175.144.84) left irc: "Leaving." [19:44] blkdg: no [19:44] Mefached (n=jonathan@66.175.144.84) joined ##slackware. [19:44] libsamplerate is a dependency for jack [19:45] Much better, thank you. :) [19:45] And jack is a dependency for hydrogen [19:45] Just walk the dependency chain [19:45] Mefached: it worked? [19:45] Yes. Changing it to "ati" worked immediately. [19:45] alienBOB: something was terribly wrong with my laptop or linux installation.. i couldn't even make clean [19:45] Well, after shutting down X. [19:45] hackedhead: powertop works [19:45] Mefached: awesome. Thank cteg. [19:45] Thank you, cteg. [19:45] substancev, can you compile other things ? [19:45] your welcome [19:45] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:45] thrice`: yea.. [19:46] i just reinstalled slack13 and checked for bad blocks [19:46] i dont know if the closed source drivers are better for your card, fire-gl is a pretty good 3d card so i'm not sure about the oss performance [19:46] Kaapa: excellent, are you getting a list of apps in the "top reasons for wakeups" ? [19:46] substancev, that doesn't answer my question :) [19:47] hackedhead: I just need to find out how to work with it :) [19:47] installing slackware != compiling software [19:47] you asked if i can compile other things... and i said yes. [19:47] hackedhead: hum... no :) [19:47] then i added that tidbit sorry [19:47] ok, your config file might suck [19:47] cteg: If I have trouble with 3D games, I'll check out the closed source drivers. The OSS drivers have fixed the only problem so far, though. [19:47] hackedhead: http://kaapa.pastebin.mozilla.org/688924 [19:47] Mefached: happy to hear that. [19:48] Mefached, The fglrx 9000 will only work with the open source drivers. [19:48] 1280x800 looks a thousand times better. [19:48] Kaapa: yeah, so if you compile a new kernel with those options, it can tell you what apps are causing the most wakeups (if you have dynticks enabled also) [19:48] dang i lost that link antiwire sent me [19:48] i get it, i needed libsamplerate to get jack working. i didn't read the dep file for your jack build. thanks again for the education, and the packages ! [19:48] Mefached: I'm fighting with DRI on nvidia and 13.0, and the moment, oddly enough. [19:49] thanks all [19:49] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:49] Kaapa: see the kernel option list here: http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/faq.php [19:49] hackedhead: k, thanks [19:49] Mefached, If you install the closed source drivers, you will likely break things. [19:50] i was browsing through my firefox bookmarks, and two bookmark submenues opened simultaneously, and now firefox is hogging cpu [19:50] adamk: With that in mind, then I'll keep the OSS drivers. [19:50] substancev: i can give you my .config [19:50] substancev: i have just compile tested it with make -j3 [19:50] substancev: and the kernel booted fine.. everything is peachy here [19:51] ill take it.. pastebin it [19:51] mozilla produces high quality code! [19:51] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] i jsut lost that sweet tutorial that antiwire gave me... i know what to do up til make clean, make, make modules_install [19:52] if anyone can find that list antiwire pasted in logs i'd appreciate it i formatted my sys [19:52] substancev: http://pastebin.ca/1704953 [19:52] substancev: now write down the fucking URL: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ANPaHK13.html [19:52] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] Wow, Slackware comes with a huge amount of software [19:53] alienBOB: im being a pest i know.. [19:53] Mefached: indeed. [19:53] I think my harddrive is trashed [19:53] substancev: unpack a fresh source tree [19:53] substancev: copy my file to .config [19:53] substancev: make [19:53] and repport back [19:53] if that bombs out there is something broken on your box [19:54] if you have a dual core you can make -j3 or something [19:54] substancev: did memtest86 reveal any errors? [19:55] JK3MP (n=jkemp@173-119-14-21.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:55] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.84.239) joined ##slackware. [19:55] substancev: next time search the public channel log: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/slackware.log.06Dec2009 [19:55] thumbs: had no media [19:55] Zion_hbt (n=root@201.23.207.94) joined ##slackware. [19:55] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:55] Zion_hbt kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [19:55] macavity: i have dual core [19:56] do make -j3 instead? [19:56] yes [19:56] cool ok. [19:56] then we dont have to wait all afternoon :P [19:56] which arch are you on substancev ? [19:56] How do I check if my wifi card already works in Slack? [19:56] Mefached: ifconfig -a [19:56] Run iwconfig [19:56] does it show up? [19:56] and what alienBOB said :P [19:56] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] i have 8 core [19:57] lspci | grep Broad shows my card, macavity, if that's what you're asking. [19:57] Mefached: broadcom 43xx? [19:57] |Sadnem| (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Mefached: what chipset? [19:57] u have 8 core? [19:57] Broadcom 4306 [19:57] |Sadnem| (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Mefached: ah, sweet. [19:57] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] sup hommies [19:57] i dont remember the procedure on 12.2 [19:57] It appears to be working. [19:57] My cdrom is causing things to lockup. [19:57] thumbs has the lead :P [19:57] Mefached: yes, it should work fairly well. [19:57] macavity: do you like dark dark beer? [19:57] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:58] macavity: like stouts [19:58] ? [19:58] Now I just need to get all of the plugins working in Firefox. I'll deal with all of that tomorrow, though. I'm too lazy to do it right now. [19:58] i dont drink [19:58] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] ohh yea, AA thats right [19:58] and i told you so :P [19:58] sory, my brains runing on like... 16k memory [19:59] FPM ram none the less. [19:59] i think its because you are running on overclocked wetware there :P [19:59] lilo hangs, anything that accesses the cdrom hangs, suspend fails etc. etc. Whenever these things happen, dmesg says "hda: request sense failure: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: request sense failure: error=0xeb { IllegalLengthIndication EndOfMedia MediaChangeRequested LastFailedSense=0x0e } hda: possibly failed opcode: 0xa0" [19:59] hiptobecubic: you should look into smartd [20:00] hiptobecubic: it looks like your hdd is dying [20:00] Not for a cdrom [20:00] macavity, what does smartd do? [20:00] hiptobecubic: hda is your cdrom? [20:00] hiptobecubic: read the SMART info out of the drive [20:00] my hdd is a /dev/sda [20:00] cdrom is /dev/hda [20:00] ahhh [20:00] Then it is time to make backups fast hiptobecubic [20:00] Sorry [20:00] Mistread the _cecond_ time [20:00] Rrrr [20:01] There are two kinds of people in the world: those who make backups frequently, and those who will. [20:01] Is there a medium in the rive hiptobecubic? [20:01] Mefached++ [20:01] Obvoiusly not a happy medium. [20:01] alienBOB, no. and it will open and close as expected. [20:01] Mefached: i like the quote. gana save it. [20:01] :D [20:01] beatzz, macavity: Thanks. [20:02] hiptobecubic: put something in it and see if it's happier. [20:02] alienBOB, but it won't read from the drive when it gets like this because anything that touches it goes into IOzombie [20:02] Zion_hbt (n=rodrigo@201.23.207.94) joined ##slackware. [20:02] hiptobecubic: after all, that works for women ;-) [20:02] rworkman, well i don't have any oversized cds [20:02] rworkman: ;) nice [20:02] heh [20:03] crap... this shell prompt sucks :) [20:03] 2 beers, blacker than Bubba's d*@k and im feelin allllright. [20:03] rworkman: That's circular logic. They only allow that if they're already happy. [20:03] it doesn't respond to the regular kind. It's bizarre though, because this doesn't happen immediately. It's after a seemingly random time [20:03] In all seriousness, I have a flaky cdrom drive in this laptop - I have to leave a blank cdrom in it or I have similar problems. [20:03] Mefached: perhaps. [20:03] i killed mine with cdparanoia [20:04] now it will only burn properly in single user mode as root, at speed 1 :-/ [20:04] adamk (n=adamk@c-68-45-22-62.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] haha [20:04] Sorry. I shouldn't laugh. [20:04] inf3rnal (i=the-bake@blk-30-152-49.eastlink.ca) left irc: [20:04] usr13__ (n=tgm@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:04] you should [20:04] usr13__ (n=tgm@63.149.173.1) left irc: Client Quit [20:04] i almost never use it, i could possibly get away with disconnecting it or disabling it in bios? [20:04] ... its the seccond time i did that [20:04] macavity, heh [20:04] Okay, then yeah, I should laugh. [20:04] and throw rocks. [20:04] well now i'm worried that lilo got halfway and i won't be able to boot [20:04] Action: macavity ducks [20:05] hiptobecubic: that's what I do then -- disconnect it or something. [20:05] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] s/I/I would/ [20:05] i just figured that my old 20x died because it was seriously worn in the first place [20:05] .. not really realizing that modern laptop drives are way more fragile than those old cast iron clonkers [20:05] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Zion_hbt (n=rodrigo@201.23.207.94) left irc: Client Quit [20:06] macavity: yeah, my old 8x drives still work fine. [20:06] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.79.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:07] Wow, Slackware installs a ton of redundant programs. I like it. [20:07] thumbs: then dont try to be a hero and save some girls life by magically restoring her favorite CD that she, for some completely incomprihensable reason, chose to store in the cats litterbox for an eon [20:07] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:07] macavity: huh, what? [20:07] i really suck at spelling, dont i? [20:07] macavity, yes. [20:07] yeah, I can' tfollow tha tone either :D [20:08] thumbs: "dont use it with cdparanoia on a severly scratched CD" [20:08] macavity: that's a given. [20:08] severely [20:08] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:08] hiptobecubic: oh well.. how well do you spell in Danish? :P [20:08] quite poorly [20:09] Action: macavity goes ask google how to spell incomprihendaple [20:09] i don't think google can help you with that mess [20:09] damn.. incomprihensible [20:10] incomprehensible even [20:10] hiptobecubic: oh yes.. it ate it right away [20:11] btw, that word is a real mouthfull... have the english started having their words manufactured in china?!? [20:12] well i'm going to try to reboot and see if everything explodes [20:12] brb [20:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [20:14] Are there any gains from compiling a new kernel if your system ran fine beforehand? [20:15] the risk is higher than the gains if you are not really good at building kernels Mefached [20:15] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:15] not that many gains - I like to customise mine [20:15] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Mefached: good learning experience [20:15] Mefached: other than what packeteer says, none what so ever [20:16] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [20:16] If the new kernel fails horribly, I can just use an older one, right? [20:16] yes [20:16] true enough, you can have a custom built kernel installed side by side with your working stock kernel if want to learn [20:16] Mefached: unless you, like me, have a graphics driver fetish, and the latest version of your beloved driver requires an upgrade to half of the OS :P [20:16] Is there any risk to my data? [20:16] negitive [20:17] Mefached: generally if your kernel build fux up it doesnt even get to mount the filesystem [20:17] data is fine ghostrider, unless u '# rm -9 /*" [20:17] Mefached: you generally get "kernel panic: $REASON" [20:17] beatzz: i am glad that command was wrong :P [20:17] macavity: i dare u to 'rm -f /*' [20:18] -9 == -f [20:18] :P [20:18] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:18] double dog dare u [20:18] just try it [20:18] see what happens [20:18] you are leaning against a ban [20:18] i'll do it if you do it ;P [20:18] How long does it usually take to compile a new kernel? [20:18] Mefached: how big is your CPU? [20:18] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [20:18] Action: Mefached has friends who actually get together and a play bash roullete like that [20:18] 2.4 Ghz P4 [20:18] a LONG time [20:19] macavity: you would ban me :'( [20:19] that is, if you do like i do, and compile it as close to Patrick's kernels as possible [20:19] Can I compile it on my desktop, which is a dual core 2.66, and just transfer it over onto my laptop? [20:19] make -j3 in a core2duo take 10-15 minutes. [20:19] last time on a p4 2.8 kernel build time was around 10 minutes [20:19] my core2duo does it in ~5 mins [20:19] beatzz: *I* knew that you were kidding me [20:19] its not thaaat hard. [20:19] beatzz: but the OPs might not [20:19] thumbs: you only have the modules you need, right? [20:19] Nick change: Garak_ -> Garak [20:20] Mefached: yes you can [20:20] macavity: would that realy destroy everything rm -f /*? [20:20] macavity: actually, no. I took the .config from 12.1, and added more and more things. Never bothered to clean it up. [20:20] beatzz: not if i run it as a regular user [20:20] like what would happen, would the screen go black and ZAP nothing [20:20] as root [20:20] would the computer just freeze and die? [20:21] beatzz: no, eventually you would get a message from bash saying it cant find /bin/rm [20:21] a great experiment for virtualbox beatzz :) [20:21] been there, done that :P [20:21] macavity: so 80 of the modules I'm building are wasted. [20:21] ahh i get it, because when it finialy removed /bin/rm it woudlent know how to rm anymore [20:21] 80%, rather [20:21] lol. [20:21] thumbs: odd.. i just compiled .32 here a-la-pat, with every single module in the package.. and it took about an hour [20:21] thumbs: ah, ok [20:22] macavity: huh, that's not normal. [20:22] an hour??? [20:22] oh my :P [20:22] on a laptop [20:22] An hour is not a "LONG" time. [20:22] core2 duo 2.16, 4MB L2 [20:22] my laptop (core2duo @ 2.0) takes ~ 5 mins [20:22] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] a customized kernel, but still [20:23] macavity: that's my laptop too, with 7200 RPM HDD's. 10-15, with WAY too many module. [20:23] well.. Pat V style kernels come with some 1600 modules [20:23] macavity: so an hour is impossible. [20:23] thrice`: whats the size of your optimized kernel? [20:23] let me count them [20:23] Mefached: have a look at distcc or cross-compiling your kernel if build time is a problem for you [20:23] 2.5M /boot/kernel-2.6.32 [20:23] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] yeah thats like mine [20:24] Action: substancev sighs [20:24] my kernel is around 2.6 M, too. [20:24] WOW [20:24] distcc sounds like it'll be useful once I put together my Beowulf cluster; still saving up money for that [20:24] i wished i wouldnt have to let it build modules for nv [20:24] 1956 .ko files [20:24] www.pastebin.ca/1704966 [20:24] brb [20:24] prefer no-modular kernels [20:24] i crashed again. [20:24] not machine.. compile [20:24] substancev: ok, you have hardware issues. [20:24] weird. i don't get it. [20:24] substancev, are you on 64-bit, or 32-bit ? [20:25] thrice`: try cp /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp .config && make oldconfig (enable everything new as a module) && time make -j3 [20:25] slackware 32... i do support 64 but never bothered with it [20:25] substancev: same here :P [20:25] i prefer modules for my kernel, but i do build enough embedded in the kernel image to make an initrd unnecessary [20:25] substancev: is that thing still compiling? :P [20:25] www.pastebin.ca/1704966 [20:25] failed [20:25] O_O [20:25] yup weird. [20:25] i KNOW that was a good build [20:26] substancev: hardware.issues. [20:26] check the paste... there has to be some logical reasoning. [20:26] :\ [20:26] i need to mem test [20:26] include/linux/kernel.h:294: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault [20:26] Please submit a full bug report, [20:26] yup.. you have a hardware error [20:26] substancev: You should mem test beforehand. [20:26] heat or bad memory [20:26] substancev: sup G !?! [20:27] beatzz: nothing much ... little swole about my lappy acting up [20:27] substancev: i know what would cool that CPU down [20:27] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] substancev: an ice cold brew [20:27] i know! [20:27] i need one [20:27] i checked sensors... during my compile i was between 33 and 39 degrees C [20:27] substancev: if memtest doesnt show errors, then take it appart, remove the dust bunnies from the cooler [20:27] ok [20:27] probably not heat then [20:28] wow, were getting down into the dust bunny killing talk [20:28] thats serious [20:28] if the problem was heat then i would have kernel panic [20:28] beatzz: he has been trying known good methods all day [20:28] u know ur shits f*ed up when ur considering dust bunnys as a problem [20:28] substancev: one would think so, yes [20:28] im going to try the compile again when i get home and my homemade laptop hoverer. [20:29] i got a laptop stand that blasts massive's ammounts of air on the bottom side of my lapperoo [20:29] dust bunnys... im gana youtube that... [20:29] beatzz: oh, make -j32 (not that i have any reason to) can send this baby into the critical temeratures [20:29] i mean i do alot of usenet downloading [20:29] bound to be some funny shit on dust bunnys [20:29] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-141-15.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] beatzz: and i know that it is nicotine and dust in there.. when it was new it could go 100% CPU for 15 minutes before the fan went crazy.. now 25% for 1 minute is enough to do that [20:30] everyone thanks... for time stress n shit.. [20:30] macavity: i have compiled my kernel before at home... this could be heat related. [20:30] Of all of the things for Slackware to NOT include, it's OO.o. That's pretty funny. [20:30] substancev: well.. i'm glad it showed up that your not a total bonehead after all :P [20:30] getting my new cpu next week i'm curious how all that behave on a multicore...-j and all that [20:30] macavity: i only have one non linux os... thats my HTPC connected to my 360 [20:30] im not that oblivious [20:31] Mefached: available on slackbuilds.org [20:31] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@64.134.162.82) joined ##slackware. [20:31] anyways.. ill catch up when i get home later [20:31] Action: beatzz giggles...dust bunnys.. :p [20:31] substancev: honnestly, i was starting to think that you were incabable of following directions.. but we know better now :-) [20:31] lol lol lol [20:31] thumbs: I know, it wouldn't be hard to get. I'm just commenting on how Slackware includes like four different mail clients and redundant everything, but no OO.o. [20:31] damn... this laptop.. [20:31] beatzz: i have repaired a machine where the dust bunnies had bats and knuckle irons! [20:31] im going to install slack on my work machine. [20:32] at the office when i get a chance. [20:32] beatzz: as in, it was a trench war with bio weapons from the seccond i opened the case [20:32] substancev: are you still trying to build a custom kernel? [20:32] good idea substancev, forget productivity!! [20:32] beatzz: im never productive at work. [20:32] People are productive at work? [20:32] agentc0re: yea... but its not gunna happen.. hardware issues [20:32] see you guys later [20:32] substancev (n=substanc@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:32] "The internet went down this morning, plunging the nation into Productivity" -The Onion Movie [20:33] lol [20:34] ever watch that? [20:34] halarious.. [20:34] "GM recalls neckbelts after multiple decapitations" [20:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:35] all those people suddenly switching their desktops, hiding solitair and browser windows if you pass their open doors [20:35] happens all day [20:35] boss keys [20:35] lol, hardware issues. [20:35] DEFCON has a boss key [20:35] eh o_O? [20:35] hahah [20:36] Like, the game actually has a key that completely hides the game. [20:36] From the window, task bar, and system tray. [20:36] ahhh... a Boss key.... [20:36] got it [20:36] like one stroke, hides all crap [20:36] Yep. [20:36] good idea, i need one of those for pr0n + wife [20:37] As a teenager, I first started to appreciate Linux for the "parent keys" Ctrl-Alt-[right, left] [20:37] KDE? [20:37] agentc0re: we are pretty certain of it by now [20:37] like desktop switching? [20:37] one day a movie player took over all my fluxbox key settings [20:37] Switching workspaces [20:37] embarrassing [20:37] uuhuohh. [20:38] "YES< YES, HARDER, HARDER!!!" [20:38] hi mom... [20:38] its a....virus... [20:38] I used to run Openbox without any kind of system trays, and I would keep some windows open in workspace 2, then a simple Ctrl-Alt-Right would hide whatever I was doing in workspace 1 *cough cough* [20:39] i just leave my systems on init 3 [20:39] so the wife cant see firefox at all. [20:39] ;P [20:40] isent it awsome how linux...just dosent crash? [20:40] like once you've configured it, it just wont die. [20:40] EVER [20:40] beatzz, sure it does [20:40] hmm so to use Devicekit you need to use linux? just want to make sure that I read the news about it correctly [20:40] Nick change: Sadnem -> Sadnem|Z__Z [20:40] shit, i havent seen it yet. [20:41] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:41] kernel? no. X? happened. not responding at least [20:41] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-205.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:41] well, outside of X [20:41] im talking CLI [20:41] X crashed constantly on an old Ubuntu install of mine [20:41] im talking x and cli [20:41] :) [20:42] ive never had cli freeze on me. [20:42] X has gone bonkers on me like... twice. [20:42] both time i was able to kill it, and restart within seconds. [20:42] Razec (i=1000@187-27-244-107.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:43] i guess i dont mess w/ many advanced things yet so, maby thats why. [20:43] i've had unexplained kernel panic before without doing anything [20:43] as far as i am conserned tho, irc/web browsing/playing music it never fails. [20:43] rza_sharp (n=rza_shar@bas4-kingston08-1242464304.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [20:44] yeah its games mostly that fails [20:44] All i had open was pidgin, actually. I was surprised. [20:44] i had WoW working on slackware befor. [20:44] but i'm not too much into fps shooter things anymore. [20:44] i actualy have a tutorial on getting wow to work for linux that i wrote. [20:45] Nexiuz worked out of the box [20:45] <3 Nexiuz [20:45] wow? nice. i was happy running diablo w/o problems [20:45] yea, if u go to linuxquestions.org [20:45] and search in the fourm "WoW on linux [SOLVED]" [20:46] u will see my article [20:46] If OpenArena and Wesnoth will work in Slackware, then my gaming requirements are over [20:46] <- elsheepo [20:46] it ran smooth as a babys ass. [20:46] wesnoth? there is slackbuild iirc [20:46] Mefached: There are slackbuilds for both. [20:46] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:46] ok, bedtime, nighty night [20:46] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-096-187.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [20:47] i'd love to see a starcraft port [20:47] or a 64bit wine that can run 32bit apps lol [20:47] Mefached: but that Ati card will not run OpenArena very well... [20:48] macavity: It's run OpenArena quite fine on the other distros I've used it with, I think. [20:49] uugghhh...tomorrow...work [20:49] :x [20:49] 5:00am is gana come fast. [20:50] OA should be acceptable (definitely not great). [20:50] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:50] Though you might have to use some lower settings. [20:50] OpenArena = Linux FPS? [20:50] beatzz: FPS... There's nothing linux specific about it. [20:50] Quake III clone [20:50] ahh [20:50] You guys tryed Nexiuz? [20:51] beatzz: It's based on the ioquake3 engine (the open source version of the Q3A codebase), and ported to various distributions. [20:51] Linux native, and it kicks asssss [20:51] beatzz: I have. That's also based on ioquake3. [20:51] s/distributions/operating systems/ [20:51] word. [20:51] Mefached: isn't OpenArena pretty much Quake4? [20:52] macavity: Not even close. [20:52] okies [20:52] As I said, it's based on the Q3A codebase. [20:52] Action: macavity reads up [20:52] UT99... [20:52] bebopX (n=dEXZ@ip-166-187.interbild.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] anyone gave that a try? [20:52] on linux* [20:52] beatzz: Years ago, yes. [20:53] UT2k works in ReactOS, even. I'm sure UT99 works in Linux. [20:53] i ran UT two thousand and something [20:53] i can get it installed, graphics are nice, but it seems like every time i put it on linux with the Loki stuff, the gamespeed is like 400% [20:53] that worked.. probably because it was the linux version [20:53] 2k4 or 2k7 [20:53] must have been 2004 [20:53] <- 2k4 champion CTF-D players [20:53] |FD|blacksheep [20:54] #1 CTF clan on OGL.org & pgp [20:54] anyhow.. it was my last attempt at recapturing the joy of gaming [20:54] Action: beatzz dusts off the old badges [20:54] i simply dont bother any more [20:54] maybe i grew up (or got old).. dunno [20:54] ever play KNetWalk? [20:54] thats a fun one [20:55] ;) [20:55] >_< [20:55] Galaxies. [20:55] Best puzzle game ever. [20:55] i used to play Decent 3 back in the day [20:55] erisco (n=kambee@181.131.128.131.reshall.uri.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:55] was on the top 20 latter for a while [20:55] Decent 3? [20:55] fps? [20:55] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] fps + flightsim sorta thingie [20:56] ahhh [20:56] you can move in all directions and turn on all axis [20:56] one of THOSE... ;) [20:56] joystick game :P [20:56] my buddy still plays it.. he has two joysticks strapped to a chair [20:57] .... O_O ..... [20:57] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] macavity: ... You don't happen to live in Memphis, do you? >.> [20:57] i think u need to intorduce ur 12 step program to him [20:57] Mefached: no, i live in Denmark [20:57] WTF?? [20:57] macavity: ur in Denmark? [20:58] beatzz: do i need to stutter to make my self heard? :P [20:58] like "Hamlet" denmark? [20:58] wait here, this is all from memory [20:58] I have a friend who built a soft chair with speakers built into the side and has a joystick actually built into the chair (cord comes out of the bottom of the chair) [20:58] no, like green little mars men denmark [20:58] what do you think? :P [20:58] heh-heh [20:58] Geeks are awesome. [20:58] "To be, or not to be, that is the question. Weither tiss nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fourtue [20:58] or to take arms agienst a sea of troubles [20:58] and by oposing [20:59] end them, to die, to sleep [20:59] end them [20:59] Not bad, beatzz [20:59] PERCHACE to dream [20:59] AH theres the rub [20:59] for in thst sleep of death what dreams may come [20:59] One of my favorite soliliquys [20:59] now, when you are done quoting english literature, can you tell me anything non-fictional about denmark? ;-) [20:59] when we, have shuffled off this mortal quarl [20:59] Not nearly as good as "is this a dagger which I see before me, the handle turned toward mine hand" [20:59] macavity: it has free education right? [20:59] *my hand (?) [20:59] MUST, give us pause, theres the respct that makes calamity of so long life [20:59] for who would bear the whips and scorns of time [21:00] the laws dealy. the opressors wronge [21:00] frullet: yes :-) and you can get "students salarty" from the state [21:00] thats all i got.. [21:00] Action: hitest loves Macbeth [21:00] Action: beatzz recited Hamlet [21:00] I know [21:00] macbeth was cool. [21:00] beatzz: but Hamlet has nothing to do with Denmark.. it was written by some stuck up british dude ;-) [21:00] macavity: i'm struggling to pay uni fee's, i wish Australia adopted the Denmark way of things.. [21:00] i never studied it, but watched it, cool witches [21:01] macavity: but it dose [21:01] for Hamlet was the prince of Denmark [21:01] Dosent thou knowist this? [21:01] frullet: it works well here.. your parents wealth should not determin your future [21:02] Action: beatzz finishes his last beer [21:02] beatzz: we NEVER had a prince in denmark called Hamlet... now can we leave Shakespeare alone? :P [21:02] haqe17 (n=haqe17@host-137-205-27-227.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:02] yea, im done drinking... [21:02] I'll proly go zzZzzzZzz soon. [21:02] macavity: agreed. [21:02] no more literature discussions [21:02] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@64.134.162.82) left irc: "leaving" [21:03] no more drunk sining/quoting in the channel :P [21:03] Shakespeare gave birth to free thinkers like Torvallds!!?!?! [21:03] Action: beatzz waits for a responce [21:03] ** Now ignoring beatzz [21:03] macavity: i agree, the system here is flawed; if your lower class and financially unstable you get fed grants by the government, yet if your middle class they fail to realise university costs are astronomical and offer little to no help [21:04] frullet: Ah, the middle-class gap. I'm hard of hearing, and I'm in the same boat with hearing aids. I'm too rich for assistance and too poor to buy them. [21:04] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d75-154-227-166.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] wonderfull, eh? [21:05] well.. here we have universial healthcare, and hearing aids are considered a must [21:05] Indeed, very wonderful. [21:05] I don't have severe loss. [21:05] macavity: well...we have..lots of taxes!!! [21:05] test34 (n=test34@c-69-244-245-20.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] test34- (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:06] they grand you a set (and they look ok to me), but if you want the invisible type that is all inside the ear, you pay the difference [21:06] I have a very unique form of hearing loss where I hear high and low sounds very well but have ~80% loss in the middle ranges, so my hearing aids are projected at $4000 a piece if they're to be of any use. [21:06] test34- (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Client Quit [21:06] so yes, the rich can get the invisible kind cheeper than they normally would, but everyone can get hearing aids for nothing [21:06] well good night all. [21:06] Mefached: yeah, its hard; i just hope eventually the gap will be closed and won't affect anymore Australian high school graduates looking for a tertiary education [21:06] Action: beatzz retires [21:07] macavity: Those standard hearing aids are also free under my insurance plan here, but they'd be of no help to me; they merely amplify sound and would make high- and low-pitches sounds very painful for me. [21:07] Action: beatzz is too young to wory about hearing aids [21:07] Mefached: here you take them to the hearing clinic and they adjust what bands should be amplified [21:07] Mefached: that is, you get your hearing aids *at* the clinic... made for you, adjusted for you [21:07] macavity: good night my Danish friend [21:08] beatzz: nn [21:08] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "zzZzzZZzzz" [21:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:08] antiwire: \0/ [21:09] antiwire: you just missed beatzz quassiquote half a shakespeare page :P [21:09] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] It was actually pretty impressive [21:09] He was almost entirely right [21:10] it was lost on me.. i just found it noisy :P [21:10] macavity: don't you know? everything in shakespear is real. macbeth is the guy who watches you sleep :( [21:10] raela: You best not be mocking Shakespeare. [21:10] raela: stop doing LSD please :P [21:10] Mefached: mocking beatzz, really [21:11] Does anyone run Slackware on a small form factor Atom system, as a router/AP? [21:11] in irssi the above lines have a 7 lines deep wedge [21:11] aww [21:12] antiwire: it should be possible.. they probably arent too different from the EeePC [21:14] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:16] I know it is possible, I'm wondering about performance [21:17] if a 250MHz MIPS CPU can do OpenWRT... [21:17] I assume Slackware runs fine on most netbooks? [21:17] ... [21:17] i mean, you aren't going to start anything big on it.. and you would probably re-do the kernel [21:17] Mefached: yes, 13.0 works on Acer One and Asus EeePC out of the box from what i hear [21:18] I'm not asking about Atom netbooks. I'm asking about using an Atom based system for routing in which at least one interface will need to deal with gigabit [21:19] antiwire: if that is an Intel PRO gigabit it doesnt consume very much CPU.. it is some low life Realtek stuff i dont know [21:20] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host20.201-252-205.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:20] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host20.201-252-205.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:20] but you are probably better off asking the Debian guys.. they seem to run a lot more versatile hardware then we do :P [21:21] Debian for fridges/toasters seem common place in their circles [21:21] anyhow.. i should go to bed [21:21] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:22] Xywa (n=adres@a3-atm.krak.tke.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:22] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@d58-106-29-39.sbr2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Connection timed out [21:22] Xywa (n=adres@a3-atm.krak.tke.pl) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [21:24] daniel_budd_asdf (n=danielas@pool-96-231-120-65.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Hello. [21:24] Anyone here have experience configuring Bluetooth on 13.0 ? [21:24] Isn't there a Wiki entry for that? [21:25] I've been trying without success. [21:25] i've read several wiki's. [21:25] which one are you refering to ? [21:25] The one on slackwiki [21:25] Hold on, let me get a link [21:25] I use a bluetooth mouse. All I did was configure configure /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf [21:26] http://slackwiki.org/Bluetooth [21:27] okay. i've been using that page. I'm trying to figure out how to connect a GPS puck via bluetooth. I can scan the puck and obtain it's services/MAC etc., however can't seem to establish a connection. [21:28] bebopX (n=dEXZ@ip-166-187.interbild.net) left irc: [21:28] Other than directing you to the wiki, I'm afraid I can't be of any help. [21:29] no problem. [21:29] Eventually something will work out *:). [21:29] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: "Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!" [21:33] daniel_budd_asdf (n=danielas@pool-96-231-120-65.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] laj_ (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[22:12] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] good evening everyone [22:18] evening mfillpot [22:18] fire|bird: the quiet stunned me [22:18] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:18] mfillpot: yeah, been quiet for about 50 minutes or so. [22:19] fire|bird: I was looking at building a script based update control system, what file transfer method would your recommend? [22:19] Alt_of_Ctrl (n=Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:20] rsync [22:21] I was thinking of scripting access via scp through an unprivileged user account, why would rsync be your preferred method? [22:22] because it is more efficient than just scp and rsync does ssh mode anyway [22:22] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] antiwire: I don't quite have too much experience with rsync, are you able to tell it to only grab specific files rather than an entire directory? [22:23] The first run will take the longest. After that rsync will certainly be faster than scp [22:23] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-104-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [22:24] mfillpot: rsync makes the local directory a mirror of the remote directory - as antiwire notes, the first rsync may take forever, but after that, only changes between the local and remote directories are sent [22:24] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:24] brbrbr (n=basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [22:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:26] I use rsync for the slackware mirrors, but i think for a update control system rsync may relay too much information to the clients. However it may be good for transferring the base files. TY all, hopefully I can make this good and robust. [22:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [22:28] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:30] bobby (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-228-114.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [22:31] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:32] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:40] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-104-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:41] is abiword lighter than oowriter? [22:41] yes [22:42] Her0 (n=jkemp@174-158-36-157.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:43] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [22:43] redtricy1le: i kept running out of memory trying to do a particular effect on oowriter [22:43] \o/!! [22:44] amazing [22:44] trying to do vertical text [22:45] Action: NaCl suggests LaTeX [22:45] NaCl: i'm not that versed in tex [22:46] It's not too hard to learn. [22:46] What's the log file for samba?...trying to debug why I cant authenticate from Windows [22:46] I'm tailing samba/log* [22:46] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:46] but I dont se any changes [22:46] NaCl: i don't think i want to take the time...just find a tool that doesn't eat my memory while doing i [22:46] /var/log/samba/log*, rather [22:46] it [22:46] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:46] nyRednek: this is probably a bug, you may want to file one. [22:46] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.42.180) left irc: "Leaving" [22:46] NaCl: probably not [22:47] oh? [22:47] NaCl: i only have 1024mb of memory and was trying to insert 10 lines of textart [22:47] Nick change: ClaudiNoShowM -> ClaudioM [22:48] NaCl: and i was rotating and scaling it at same time [22:48] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [22:49] That's a lot of RAM for some image scaling [22:50] Does anyone use laptop-mode-tools? It has a pretty ugly install script and there's no slackbuild [22:51] NaCl: agreed...it may be a bug...i don't think textart is extensively tested on openoffice [22:51] It doesn't seem to do much more than alter /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode and cpufreq based on the presence of AC power [22:51] hiptobecubic: use KDE? [22:52] NaCl, i'm interested in _saving_ power not blowing it [22:52] hah [22:52] Well, if you aren't really doing anything, KDE is fine. [22:53] clijunkie (i=1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] Who 'isn't really doing anything' ? [22:54] The laptop. [22:54] KDE idles fine. [22:54] It runs stuff as expected. [22:55] All it does is use a little more CPU to maintain some services, and provide some shinyness [22:55] My experience is that it's slow as balls and unintuitive. I'll stick with openbox. [22:55] That can easily be disabled. [22:55] Whatever works [22:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:56] mfandrade (n=user@189.82.83.113) joined ##slackware. [22:56] htop says that the number-one CPU user at idle time is wicd. [22:56] mfandrade (n=user@189.82.83.113) left ##slackware. [22:56] Or itself. [22:57] mfandrade (n=user@189.82.83.113) joined ##slackware. [23:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-104-181.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [23:03] firedix__ (n=firedix@host110.201-252-179.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:04] \o/ [23:05] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:05] Action: dchmelik pours warm water on NaCl and observes [23:05] This is the... fourth time I have been dissolved. :P [23:05] dissociation, conduction of electricity, ... [23:06] but you can't melt him!! [23:06] You know, ionic compounds have high melting points. [23:06] I am not sure what you just said. [23:06] Yep... [23:06] You can melt him but you'd need an arc furnace [23:07] I think he said salt was a rock. [23:07] hiptobecubic: maybe it's changed since I looked, but when I did, I decided that l-m-t was better understood to mean Lick My Toes. [23:07] :o [23:07] kinky [23:07] He's a Rock-et Man. [23:07] Nick change: NaCl -> NaCl|dissolved [23:08] NaCl(aq) [23:08] What if one of the ladies in the channel said 'l-m-t?' [23:08] rworkman: indeed [23:08] Lick her taint. [23:08] Nick change: NaCl|dissolved -> NaCl [23:08] bah [23:08] can't have a nick with parenthesies [23:08] Nick change: NaCl -> NaCl_aq [23:09] Yay :) [23:09] tty3 (n=tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) joined ##slackware. [23:09] echo ATDT > /dev/tty3 [23:09] hi [23:10] Disconnected. Handshake failed. [23:10] tty3 (n=tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) left ##slackware. [23:10] hahaha [23:10] lol [23:10] Action: dchmelik points a hair dryer on NaCl_aq. This is my space gun. [23:11] Okay, I'm going back to doing something useful instead of just having fun :) [23:11] I should be doing that. :P [23:11] I thought you cannot do anything right now [23:11] night all [23:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:12] Nick change: NaCl_aq -> SpanishInquisitr [23:12] There. [23:12] SpanishInquisitr: quiznos ? [23:12] SpanishInquisitr: that you buddy ? [23:12] No. [23:12] oh [23:12] Action: SpanishInquisitr is NaCl [23:13] Nobody expected that. [23:13] Indeed. [23:13] heh thought it was Quiznos playing around with nicks again [23:14] I have a number of nicks [23:14] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [23:14] We all have a number of nicks. [23:14] mm, suspend still works :> [23:14] For most of us, that number is one. [23:15] but isn't 1 the loneliest number ? [23:15] That would be 0. Just empty. [23:15] But nothnig can't be lonely [23:15] Or can it/ [23:16] Blasted metaphysics [23:16] :D [23:16] hmmm kinda tricky, 0 is empty yet it has a value of 0 meaning nothing [23:16] In set theory, the set containing nothing is different from nothing itself. [23:17] null isn't the same as zero [23:17] hibernate too, I think [23:18] thrice`: 2.6.32? s2ram is fine here, not tested s2disk, but I expect it's fine. [23:18] thrice`: latest pub/individual/ from xorg is all good too, as is latest libdrm and mesa-7.6 :) [23:18] rworkman, well, that, and pm-utils 1.3.x [23:19] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:19] thrice`: ooh, does your machien require quirks? [23:19] Is it just me or does suspend work better in X than it does in the console? [23:19] I think so, it's listed in the lenovo file [23:19] thrice`: lshal | grep quirk [23:19] I have a set theory book that says zero equals the empty set [23:19] If it does need them, then Victor would like to hear from you - he doesn't have a machine that needs quirks, and I don't either [23:20] NaCl: that would be odd. [23:20] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:20] rworkman, yes, s3_mode [23:21] firedix_ (n=firedix@host113.200-82-13.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:21] thrice`: and no KMS, right? (KMS negates the quirks) [23:21] nope, using KMS [23:21] Well, nogo then. [23:21] rworkman: Ok. So I suspend from /dev/tty2 [23:21] Resume gives me a blank screen. [23:21] The 1.3.x branch shouldn't have any effect on you then. [23:22] But ctrl+alt+f7 gives me my X session. [23:22] rworkman, ah, ok; I just noticed this in the log, so figured it was for something: 98-video-quirk-db-handler suspend suspend:success [23:22] and it's apply --quirk-s3-bios [23:22] rworkman: then I can ctrl+alt+f2 back to the terminal and it works again [23:22] NaCl: that's odd. That might be worth mentioning on the pm-utils list. [23:22] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [23:22] thrice`: well, maybe I misunderstood then. Interesting. [23:22] Would the fact that I am using the nvidia drivers make a difference? [23:22] NaCl: hrm, possibly. [23:23] mfandrade (n=user@189.82.83.113) left ##slackware. [23:23] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:24] rworkman, you're not using kms? [23:24] rworkman: so, how would I test otherwise? [23:24] remove the nvidia driver and try again? [23:24] thrice`: I am. [23:24] NaCl: well, it's worth a shot. [23:27] My latest graphics card purchase was from ATI [23:27] mm, alright, well, I'll send an email anyway. thanks rworkman :> [23:27] brbrbr (n=basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:28] rworkman: removed the driver. [23:28] brbrbr (n=basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [23:28] nv and nvidia display fonts differently. [23:28] Don't know what it is. [23:28] Seems that nv has smaller fonts [23:28] rather, renderse them smaller [23:30] rworkman: the lappy won't suspend from console [23:30] With the non-foss driver. [23:30] Rather, won't suspend period. [23:30] Action: NaCl reinstalls the nvidia drivers [23:31] I'm using 190.42 for my laptop and it suspends fine [23:31] antiwire: the proprietary drivers work fine. [23:31] ah [23:31] firedix__ (n=firedix@host110.201-252-179.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:31] Referring to the FOSS nv driver [23:31] I see, I never use nv [23:32] I know why. [23:32] rworkman, the only thing I noticed is that my pm-suspend.log shows it using the 55-NM hook, even though I obviously lack that. is that typical? [23:32] I'm too lazy to revert back to 1.2.x :> [23:33] thrice`: it comes with pm-utils [23:33] yes, that much I know, but it shows as "success" instead of "not applicable" [23:34] firedix__ (n=firedix@host110.201-252-179.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:34] thrice`: the dbus message doesn't ask for a reply, so it returns success regardless. [23:35] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-67-170-39-104.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] ok, thanks. I'll fire away without complaints, then [23:35] Really, that hook shoould be removed, and instead shipped with NM. [23:36] rworkman: just like the dbus config file? [23:36] huh? [23:36] Oh. [23:36] Action: NaCl misthought [23:37] As in, wicd ships its own sleep hook. That way, it's not present unless wicd is installed. [23:38] Yeah. [23:38] I thought the NM dbus hook was shipped with dbus [23:38] but was wrong [23:39] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:40] ah [23:43] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [23:45] all guns take space [23:49] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@67.170.39.104) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon Dec 7 2009