[00:00] i give up... for now [00:00] Old_Fogie: you said nothing about the kde.options [00:00] next attempt is to pull *everything* from git and try that as a stack [00:00] its a new day yu cant give up now [00:00] this isnt going to fix my wikipedia prollem though [00:00] http://code.google.com/p/deb2tgz/downloads/list :) [00:01] there is no point crying over every mistake; you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake! [00:01] its possible for me to pull a file out of a bz2, modify it, then slip it back in right? [00:01] Old_Fogie: when i find a working combo i will let you know [00:01] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [00:02] kilasmurf: you can [00:02] but how big of an edit is it? [00:02] i just extract, modify, repack [00:02] whats the best way to do that? unpack, modify, repack? [00:02] i have to edit a line of text is all [00:02] macavity, ah thank you it'd really be appreciated. [00:02] kilasmurf: konqueror lets you do that directly [00:02] via ark? [00:03] kilasmurf: bz2://path/to/archive [00:03] kilasmurf, don't blame me about kde options, it's in the script referenced yea you need that, tha'ts how you get the arch that rworkman had mentioned earlier. [00:03] :D [00:03] kilasmurf: looks like ARCH is unset. [00:03] i didnt even see what he said earlier [00:03] like he said, your not passing options [00:03] Ya, it's too late for him to be wearing his reading glasses, don't ya know? :P [00:03] hell yeah [00:04] it is sleepy time for me :P [00:04] yes..and you didnt see the script asks for other things too, heee hee, see that's why I said you gotta take a step back and get a break, then hit it again [00:04] Old_Fogie: $TARGET i this case [00:04] No, i'm talk about the old man fogie :P [00:04] kilasmurf, don't worry, I'll keep you a warm seat on the FAILbus here :) [00:04] aw shuks... thanks guys :D [00:04] XGizzmo: good catch re the kde options file; that part slipped my mind completely [00:04] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:04] i IZ da master of teh short and special FAILbus! [00:05] I pasted it working here, I had copied them over and assumed since he was in the script so much he had to see that...heh [00:05] Zordrak: re qwt submission: sed -i "s%/usr/local/qwt-5.1.1%$PKG/usr%" qwtconfig.pri [00:05] i haz managed to mix versions of everything in a manner that was not even supposed to compile.. yet get the system to run [00:05] macavity, ah the robustness of slack :) [00:05] Zordrak: however, that's just the relevant sed line that I think you'd want; I'm not sure that's tthe ideal approach [00:05] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-61-143.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] macavity: that whole 'bz2://...' yeah [00:06] shyt dont work through konqueror. syntax off? [00:06] i hate my job [00:06] nm [00:07] Old_Fogie: naaa.. it was just a matter of hacking in dri2proto in the rc2 release version of the upcomming xorg-server-1.6.0.. that made the latest intel driver think everything was honki dori [00:07] spook: walk away from it [00:07] kilasmurf: i just click on it [00:07] kilasmurf: sorry, its tar://foo/bar.tar.bz2 [00:07] nullboy: its only a few more weeks. [00:08] 'writing to tar is not supported' [00:08] if it opens in ark, just tell knoqueror that you want it opened embedded [00:08] and thats as root :P [00:08] im cooh with an upack/repack [00:08] kilasmurf: seriously...what is the problem with just tar xvf, modify file, tar cjvf [00:08] ..... [00:09] ..... [00:09] just gotta find the syn... nm [00:09] kilasmurf: ok, that IS lame :P [00:09] nothing is wrong with it 0_o [00:09] i likes it [00:09] "v" in tar -x... is brutal here... I'm going to start an 'anti-v' campaign [00:09] lags out the boxen... so much faster 'tar -xf [00:09] i mean, that you cant save to tar:// [00:09] Action: Old_Fogie uses sed -i belive it or not [00:09] what? [00:09] v doesn't lag my systems [00:09] you have issues [00:09] nullboy, screen updates [00:09] Old_Fogie: thats because you are "special" :P [00:09] p3 900 [00:10] intel driver what d'ya want [00:10] or lousy radeon free take your pick [00:10] Old_Fogie: does that thing have sse? [00:10] Old_Fogie: the stone age rang, they want their museum piece back [00:10] spook, haha [00:10] mmm let me see [00:10] flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse up [00:10] nice [00:10] cpu MHz : 868.634 [00:11] :D [00:11] Old_Fogie: someone called "grunt" left a message too. it was "grunt grunt grunt grunt grunt grunt, grunt grunt. [00:11] this windows system is just sitting here grinding away...i hope it is sending spam out at least [00:11] hahaha [00:11] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] the new LLVM wizmo in Gallium will translate missing vertex shader operations in the gfx card into sse code :-) [00:12] spook, hey it still runs. but you have to learn the tricks for running "snappy" and let me tell you,, untar a kernel without 'v' saves me 2 minutes [00:12] Old_Fogie: but.. is getting something just a *little* more recent of ebay out of the question? [00:12] if I have full screen terminal, I cant even move a mouse [00:12] macavity, no it's the point [00:12] and principle [00:12] :D [00:12] school teachers are idiots [00:12] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:13] are you a teacher Old_Fogie? [00:13] Action: macavity ducks [00:13] macavity, depends... are you gonna buy me dinner first ? :) [00:13] Action: spook works at a school [00:13] wow [00:13] making broad generalizations is pretty idiotic [00:13] i know a few teachers actually are partof the slackware dev team [00:13] twolf: i see you have been taking a class on recursion? :P [00:13] Action: XGizzmo sits back and waits [00:13] twolf: work in IT at a school. then tell me its a broad generalization [00:14] in fact i know one teacher is part of the slackware dev team and is idling right now [00:14] nullboy: yeah yeah. [00:14] but ask him what he thinks of the other teachers at his school [00:14] :P [00:14] he would probably decline to comment [00:14] because they are idiots. [00:14] he would probably say that they are not computer geeks [00:15] spook: it's a broad generalization. WRT technology, it's true. [00:15] I can just as easily say that computer geeks are idiots. [00:15] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:15] for people who teacher students to learn, to seek out knowledge themselves... [00:15] WRT many other things, it will be true. [00:15] btw, my GF is pretty good at art stuff, but i can only draw match stick men.. does that make me an idiot? [00:15] they are very unwilling to try things for themselves [00:15] macavity: xkcd seems to be doing pretty well with that ;) [00:16] BP{k}: heh, good point :P [00:16] BP{k}: but i think the humor makes up for the lack of graphical content there.. [00:16] my point being that when i am among mechanics i am an "idiot" too [00:17] my point is that teachers are very set in their ways, unwilling to try things for themselves [00:17] trust me.. if you want to teach me how to make a tunar sanwich you are going to run into some *heavy* resistance [00:18] my tunar sanwiches work perfectly the way the are, thank you very much :P [00:18] them: help i cant do x me: what have you tried? them: *blank stare* [00:18] macavity: but but but ... you're doing it wron g! :P [00:19] BP{k}: what do you know about tunar sanwiches? Keth makes all the ones you eat :P [00:19] macavity: good point. :) [00:20] still sounds like he knows how to get one made. [00:20] sudo "make me sandwhich" [00:20] werd [00:20] I've actually used that in a conversation with kethry, and it worked ;) [00:21] I would end up with a segfault [00:22] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4306619c5c7780b7) joined ##slackware. [00:22] I'm attempting to install drivers/firmware for the WinTV-HVR-1200 [00:23] And one of the steps in the wiki say to edit the /etc/modules.d/dvb file , however i do not have a /etc/_modules.d_ directory. What options might i have at this point ? [00:23] BP{k}: submissive behaviour in women is very charming indeed, isnt it ;-) [00:23] pattwo (n=admin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:23] XDS2010: you should have a /etc/modules.d/ [00:23] XDS2010: rc.modules [00:23] spook: I'm a teacher. I dual boot Slackware and FreeBSD. I'm open to new things:-) We're not all pinheads. [00:24] or what macavity said [00:24] XDS2010: you create a file in the directory, and put stuff like "options cx88xx card=51" in it [00:24] hitest: what about your colleages? [00:24] macavity: agreed. :) [00:24] LOL [00:24] XDS2010: you dont have /etc/modprobe.d/ ? [00:24] XDS2010: cat /etc/slackware-version ? [00:24] macavity: whats the saying, whereever 2 blahs meet theres a 3rd lurking? :P [00:24] I don't have modules.d [00:24] not modprobe.d [00:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:25] I don't have modules.d <~ [00:25] you want modprobe.d [00:25] reading comprehension fail [00:25] to specify "options blah blah=blah" [00:25] ah [00:25] speaking of teachers [00:25] yeah he meant modprobe.d [00:25] now it clicked in [00:25] XDS2010: just make a /etc/modprobe.d/dvb instead [00:25] XDS2010: thats the proper place on slackware [00:26] XDS2010: what's it say to put in that file? [00:26] XDS2010: then add to the bottom of /etc/rc.d/rc.modules to probe modules not autodetected [00:26] XDS2010: put in any aliases and module parameters that you need there [00:26] one at a time :0 [00:26] :P [00:27] rworkman: all the WinTV cards are based on either Haupage or Philips.. they *should* auto load [00:27] it's not like you can't just read it one at a time.... [00:27] anyhow, i need to crash now [00:27] i don't get ANY messages in dmesg on plug-in plug-out :( [00:27] this isn't some conference room with people talking...you won't miss some fleeting word [00:28] macavity: that's what I was indirectly asking :) [00:28] i don't get ANY messages in dmesg on plug-in plug-out<<<<<<<<<<,, [00:28] macavity: not all do. the model J of dtv2000H does not autodetect [00:28] however, that might not be the case based on lack of dmesg output [00:28] what spook said :P [00:28] If so, then rc.modules will be the place to put it [00:28] """evdev.c(EVIOCGBIT): Suspicious buffer size 511, limiting output to 64 bytes. See http://userweb.kernel.org/~dtor/eviocgbit-bug.html""" [00:28] thats all i get [00:28] WTF [00:28] DAMNIT [00:28] get < [00:28] okay..... [00:28] please change your nickname for pete sakes [00:29] SUCCESS!!! [00:29] whoopsie...for the little $PKG in front of that rm -rf (/me looks to sky and says .. "Thank you" [00:29] XDS2010: you might help yourself by pasting the URL to the docs you are following [00:29] the url is of no use [00:29] an ephin learning experience and a half [00:29] s/for the litt/forgot the little [00:29] you might also help yourself by not having random nonsense outbursts [00:29] XDS2010: then people here can deduce what kind of messed up distro it was intended for, and help you get it right on slackware [00:30] the screen buffer is moving to fast for my eyes. im sorry [00:30] URL to wiki pls kkthxbai [00:30] naow [00:30] or maybe its all the crack ive been smoking [00:30] Action: Old_Fogie exec's the 'rain' command on ##slackware's console's [00:30] URL to wiki pls kkthxbai [00:31] /exec -o yes I want the screen to scroll really fast now... [00:31] Don't do that :-) [00:31] rworkman: lmao :P [00:31] ok i have another laptop running slax 7 [00:31] rworkman: can you please kick rworkman, he is giving harmful advice to people [00:31] how can i accomplish an install on it ? [00:31] fail [00:31] XDS2010: we do not suppport slax [00:32] XDS2010: slax is not SLACKWARE [00:32] XDS2010: now, will you give us the URL to the wiki?!? [00:32] spook: if it happens again, I will. :) [00:32] this is an all around fail night [00:32] XDS2010: its that or find some other means of help.... [00:32] night all:) [00:32] Action: rworkman waits for the fail bus to arrive. [00:32] toot toot [00:32] http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1200 [00:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] rworkman: it looks so innoculus too! [00:33] Action: Old_Fogie lurks in the dark and scalps FAIl bus passes [00:33] Who's that guy sitting in the back licking the window? [00:33] mind if i scream ? [00:33] yes. [00:33] :) [00:33] I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream [00:33] you'll wake up half the regulars and they get grumpy [00:33] XDS2010: echo "options cx23885 card=7" > /etc/modprobe.d/dvb [00:33] hahah icescream [00:33] XDS2010: then reboot. [00:34] i can't reboot [00:34] XDS2010: the alternative is complicated and not work the effort. [00:34] mohave? [00:34] im listening spook [00:35] hey i have a question. if slamd is /dev/sda1, slackware /dev/sda2, and i'm about to install lilo while in slamd64, and slackware sda2 is always mounted by fstab /media/slackware can lilo point to /media/slackware/boot/vmlinuz-test-2.6.28.3 without issues (provided root = /dev/sda2 )? [00:35] im not going anywhere spook [00:35] XDS2010: modprobe dvd; modprobe cx23885 card=7 [00:35] TwinReverb: yes [00:35] jjohnson (n=support@24-159-248-254.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] XDS2010: you can stick that directly into rc.modules [00:35] anyone know how to flash firmware of a pci card in linux [00:35] TwinReverb: it just needs the path to the location it will be installed to [00:35] rworkman, thanks, just wanted to check first before hosing something [00:36] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Leaving" [00:36] macavity: he will need to rmmod that module, then modprobe it. only a bunch of other loaded modules need it. so he has to rmmod and modprobe those as well [00:36] well yeah it was image = /media/slackware/boot/vmlinuz-test-2.6.28.3 root = /dev/sda2 for the Slackware image, etc [00:36] FATAL: Module dvd not found. [00:36] blah [00:36] that is not slackware [00:36] dvb [00:36] lol [00:36] copy+paste [00:36] ah [00:37] my bad [00:37] FATAL: Module dvb not found. [00:37] XDS2010:run depmod -a [00:37] still [00:37] it is included in the kernel [00:37] ok some magic [00:37] new xkcd [00:37] lets see [00:37] ok question [00:38] XDS2010: dont attempt magic... it is out of you league [00:38] be nice. im tender. Well... not really. What is everyones take on vectorLinux [00:38] anyone know or have an idea how? [00:38] XDS2010: how did you mange to remove the dvb module that slackware provides? [00:38] nationplacebo: what channel is this? [00:38] isnt vector based of slack? [00:38] based on does not mean IS [00:39] macavity: whay dvb module? [00:39] I inserted it in my arse :) [00:39] true dat [00:39] suse is based on slack [00:39] nationplacebo: it is virtually unmaintained, it doesnt provide any real benefit over vanilla slackware, and last time i tried it the jerk had made a goofup with esd [00:39] what [00:39] that's why it has a different name. You catch that part? "VectorLinux" vs. "Slackware" [00:39] XGizzmo: it is needed [00:39] different names! [00:39] different freedom too [00:40] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:40] spook: not any more [00:40] this system is mega backdoored [00:40] macavity: its not a module here, on stock 12.2 [00:40] O_O [00:40] macavity: it was. my point is we dont support that either [00:40] every user profile had "protect.dll" [00:40] and let me tell you, it ain't protecting shit [00:40] O_O <----pidgin! 0_o [00:40] yeah 12.2 has it compiled in, in huge. generic is a module [00:40] brb [00:40] /lib/modules/2.6.24.5-smp/kernel/drivers/media/dvb [00:40] im going to attempt magic [00:40] but this is 12.1 [00:40] :) [00:41] is it possible to go from slackware 12.0 to 12.2 with out reboot lol [00:41] lol [00:41] i hope you're not serious [00:41] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4306619c5c7780b7) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [00:41] i wonder why pat has compiled it in... [00:41] i dont want to reboot my server lol [00:41] jjohnson: no it isn't. [00:41] i dont want to attach a screen and hope it boots [00:41] because if you are you should just go ahead and power off your system and throw it in the trash [00:41] jjohnson: i REALLY hope you're not serious [00:41] in fact going from 12.0 -> 12.2 is not even recommended/supported [00:42] it is modulable in the .27 series too: lib/modules/2.6.27-ajj/kernel/drivers/media/dvb [00:42] oh well.. i should just go to bed [00:42] macavity: it's getting light? ;) [00:42] macavity: is that generic, or huge? [00:42] dvb is a directory [00:42] [ in bed ] [00:42] there is a dvb-core [00:42] spook: the above is my own .27 kernel.. i run .28 now [00:43] ah ok [00:43] screw this i'm going home, even though its only 3pm on a friday [00:43] you sound like Carman :P [00:43] *Cartman [00:44] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] sorry im just lazy [00:44] MY BAD [00:44] what? [00:44] dvb-core it is [00:44] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-59-94.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] i forgot the * in -name dvb [00:45] so yes, that is just a directory [00:45] Action: macavity is offically to tired to help anyone [00:45] i probably will eventually update the system but for now i got to figure out why my dang sata card keeps acting up and throwing out errors [00:45] what is the point of releasing software for free and not making it open source? [00:45] macavity: or to spell [00:45] macavity: not to tired for other things i bet. [00:46] i hav never spelt anyting in mai laife! [00:46] diabolix: vendor lock-in [00:46] huh. [00:46] the urge to feel all secret and stuff [00:47] but, utorrent, i'm having trouble figuring out what they get out of it. they aren't a big company. [00:47] "you cannot haz my codez! i am leet and you will never c how cool i can make stuff do" [00:47] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:47] diabolix: they are just incredibly dense people? [00:47] Linux sonyvaio 2.6.28.3 #1 SMP Fri Feb 6 13:19:24 KST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [00:48] TwinReverb: thanks. [00:48] whats the point of giving out free cookies without the recipe? [00:48] i'm about to start a new project, and i could see a point in charging for it, but why give it out for free without source? [00:48] 14:47 CTCP VERSION reply from TwinReverb: xchat 2.8.6 Linux 2.6.28.3 [x86_64/1.00GHz/SMP] [00:48] what XGizzmo said [00:48] TwinReverb: because we needed you to tell us. [00:48] bye going home [00:49] Action: TwinReverb stabs spook [00:49] TwinReverb: my sysinfo output is more 1337 than yours, tee hee! :P [00:50] i dunno. either way, i think if i get any where, i'll have a free as in beer beta period, and then i'll figure out what i feel like doing. i don't really wan't to deal with a license manager, but at the same time it would be cool to make money. maybe my goal should be to get bought by someone who already has money. [00:51] lol [00:51] good luck [00:51] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [00:51] and dont forget that if what you do is cool and start to pick up, i will go out of my way to develop a Free Software alternative [00:52] ... thats the kind of bitch i am [00:52] oh for sure, but the best outcome is i get bought by google who forces me to be open source anyway. [00:52] win win. [00:52] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] last time i checked, google has plenty of non-free stuff [00:52] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:55] no thunderbird in slackbuilds.org? :( [00:55] hashed_: It's included in Slackware. >_> [00:56] hashed_: SBo doesn't include anything that is part of slackware. [00:56] oh.. te he.. i should look at the menus more often [00:56] stupid question, sorry :) [00:56] hashed_: slackpkg search thunderbird [00:57] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:57] why the heck does slackpkg return xfce on that search query? [00:58] *cough* slapt-get *cough* :) [00:59] morning, isn't it? [00:59] Action: macavity stabs Old_Fogie with a phone book [00:59] jjohnson (n=support@24-159-248-254.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: ""facedesk after too many calls" [00:59] hey I'm on 12.1 [00:59] likewise [00:59] its in /extra [00:59] i haven't used slapt-get, should i b wary of it? [00:59] so I'm at least 14 months "BO' [00:59] if you do, dont mention it in here, or you get a flamewar out of it [00:59] hashed_: Yes, be wary. [01:00] most of us here do *not* like it.. ive seen it break peoples boxes [01:00] Action: Old_Fogie loves it, but it's his own repo, his own errors, and his own depends :) [01:00] I dont "mix" [01:00] i came back to slackware to escape all the do-it-for-you distros, so i'll stay away [01:00] so I dont get them issues (knock wood) [01:00] hashed_: sbopkg might be of help though [01:01] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [01:01] hashed_: it provides slackpkg-like functionality against slackbuilds.org [01:01] anyways.. good night all [01:01] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] macavity, night [01:01] same here too, night all [01:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:02] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for al the tunar fish!" [01:02] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-754fd465e2efd090) joined ##slackware. [01:05] gn! [01:05] hba (n=hba@189.188.147.150) left irc: "leaving" [01:07] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:08] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [01:11] anyone know a way to get the progress of a local copy operation from a terminal? [01:11] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [01:11] i guess you check the size of the destination file, duh. [01:11] Action: hashed_ is wondering why he never knew about sbopkg before [01:12] Action: hashed_ like [01:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [01:12] diabolix: Use rsync next time. ;) [01:14] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [01:16] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-754fd465e2efd090) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:16] of course...limewire installed [01:16] "my system runs slow" [01:16] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] no shit, you're relaying spam for all of China [01:18] cross platform toolkits suck. [01:20] i guess writing guis twice sucks even more tho. [01:20] Is there anyway to bypass the bios check that runs when lilo loads slackware 12.2? [01:20] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-2df98d448710c9c2) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:21] "compacT"..see man lilo.conf [01:21] err compact [01:22] diabolix (n=jordan@c-67-165-59-94.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [01:25] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn117.91-127-115.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [01:28] you know what else is lame...people throwing away all of the disks that come with their spiffy windows PCs [01:28] http://www.slaxer.com/chucks/zombies_ahead.jpg [01:29] maybe they don't need windows [01:30] oh right and that's probably why they are having me reinstall windows for them right [01:30] maybe they changed their minds [01:30] Okay, so I got my first email from the slackware security newsletter [01:30] they are lucky i have OEM cds that can reuse the existing COAs [01:30] or are just idiots [01:30] how do I verify the PGP message? [01:30] Ruthven (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-180-254.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [01:31] redtricycle: gpg --verify [01:31] redtricycle: well, for an email message, the easiest way is to import the Slackware gpg key into your gpg config and let your mail client do the checkign [01:32] rworkman: ah, okay... [01:32] does the pgp signature get generated for the message itself? [01:32] i.e. or all slackware email pgps signatures different? [01:33] Because, if the pgp signature is the same at the end of every email [01:33] couldnt I copy it and send it at the end of my emails? [01:33] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [01:34] Nope :) [01:34] redtricycle can ride his bike with no handlebars. No handlebars, no handlebars. [01:35] 4 syllables >> 1, so it doesn't quite work [01:35] Ah, so each PGP signature is different for each message [01:35] does it sign the message itself? [01:36] CaptObviousman: ^_^ [01:36] it does [01:36] ahh...okay, that makes sense now [01:36] The GPG signatures at each message looked *similar* and I got tricked into thinking they were the same [01:38] FireGPG plugin is cool; anybody else using it? [01:38] i use Enigmail [01:39] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-61-143.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:41] what would be a good program to try out my laptop's webcam with? [01:41] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [01:41] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] Cryp71c (i=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:42] Cryp71c (i=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] Anyone on here currently using dwm? [01:43] I tried it once :( that and awm, xmonad is least troublesome and straight! [01:46] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:46] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:47] I installed it and when i go to launch it it simply spits back "dwm cannot launch" or something similar..lol [01:47] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn23.78-99-167.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Is there a rule of thumb when setting your key expiration dates? [01:48] *gpg key [01:49] "not too long, not too short" [01:49] Okay, five years then [01:49] I'm changing my keys if I get married [01:49] =/ [01:50] Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [01:50] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:50] Ongavezir kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -NOEINTELLIGENCE [01:51] Action: spook pats slackboy [01:51] good boy [01:51] is the any camera software that doesnt depend on g or k? [01:51] Action: rworkman really needs to change that ban message to be -ENOINTELLIGENCE - my fingers went in the wrong order. [01:51] "camera software" [01:51] Like, the letters? [01:52] spook: "camera software".. i don't know what else to call it. [01:52] hashed_: what does it do [01:53] anyway, afk for lsleep. g'night all [01:53] software that will accept my camera as input.. [01:53] web camera? [01:53] and output for the user to see [01:53] :P [01:53] uvcview [01:53] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn117.91-127-115.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:53] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-123-145.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:53] spook: thanks! [01:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:58] .gz is a package file and .tar.bz2 is the compression requiring tar -z right [01:58] ? [01:58] j [01:58] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn204.78-99-40.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [01:58] z for gunzip, j for bzip2 [01:58] gzip** [02:01] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware. [02:03] what is the name of packages that are instalable using installpkg ? [02:03] er, extension (not namE) [02:03] Cryp71c: a tar file is untarred by tar -x (tar eXtract) [02:03] Cryp71c: .tar.gz [02:04] Cryp71c: and a .gz file in a gzipped file needing to be unzipped [02:04] Cryp71c: a bz2 file is a bzip file ... [02:04] Cryp71c: .tar.gz is a tar file which was later gzipped [02:04] gotcha [02:05] what if my file is just .bz2 (no tar) do I still use tar -j to unpackage it? [02:05] no you use bunzip [02:05] Cryp71c, .tgz [02:05] .tar.bz2 can be uncompressed using bunzip followed by tar -x [02:05] Frullet: oops my bad ... [02:06] Cryp71c: its .tgz .. in reality its just a .tar.gz renamed to .tgz [02:06] duryodhan, :) [02:07] Action: SiegeX creates the .7zarjtgz [02:09] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn23.78-99-167.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:12] .tjz? =P [02:12] short for tar.bz2 [02:12] Okay, I have my public keys generated, how do I start sending it to people? [02:13] `I can list it [02:13] but it only shows the IDs [02:13] gpg --list-keys [02:17] are ati cards still crappy in linux? (wine mostly)? [02:18] gee, that's a good question [02:18] I've givne up on ati every since I switched to linux [02:18] all of my gaming is done in xp except for warcraft 3 since it runs flawlessly in wine [02:18] i found a great deal on an ati gfx card, but there's no sense in getting something that wont work [02:22] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] I've got several ati cards and they all work great in linux [02:23] twolf, how about games with wine? [02:23] I haven't tried that, but I can't see why they wouldn't work [02:24] i asked in #ati [02:25] i'm thinking about getting a new ati gfx card, how's the wine support in linux? [02:25] Finicky, like always? :D [02:25] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:27] ...so I googled "how to export gpg keys" and it tells me to use the "gpg --export" option [02:27] *doh* [02:27] Overlooked it =P [02:27] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-2df98d448710c9c2) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120908]" [02:30] ...gee, so I made a 23kb key o_o [02:33] how many characters? [02:37] let me check [02:37] 23355 characters [02:38] you count them by hand? [02:38] ;) [02:38] by eye [02:38] =P [02:38] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.64.32.224) joined ##slackware. [02:39] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:48] rworkman resubmitted spidermonkey [02:48] should be ok [02:49] http://tinyurl.com/2kfh7p [02:50] captions please [02:50] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:51] how do I dump things to stdout? [02:51] nullboy, no need to make fun of Old_fogie [02:51] what things redtricycle ? [02:51] nevermind, I can just simply not redirect it and it'll go to stdout [02:51] o_o [02:51] Nick change: j0z_ -> j0z [02:51] nullboy, that's a little more than a o rly [02:51] redtricycle, man tee [02:52] How is that different from cat? [02:52] well say 'dosomecommand | tee > command.log' will output into log and stdout [02:53] ahh... [02:54] ^o^ [02:54] I dont get it, how do I make it so my public key is small? [02:54] when I do gpg --gen-key [02:55] small? [02:55] and choose DSA+E [02:55] my public key is 23kb big [02:55] which is huge, compared to these other keys I see on the web [02:55] which are like...1kb [02:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:56] mine is 2.1 [02:56] which steps did you use? [02:56] rsa [02:56] 2048 [02:56] Isn't that "sign" only? [02:56] What's the difference? [02:57] I guess encryption makes it bigger [02:57] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [02:57] but I only need sign [02:57] hrm, let me make a sign only key then [02:58] Okay, now it's 26kb [02:58] and it's RSA [02:58] clyphox (n=david@94.229.68.79) joined ##slackware. [03:00] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:02] redtricycle, maybe it's adding to the one you already made [03:03] try deleting and then making one [03:06] dive, the redirect after tee isn't needed :-) just 'somecommand | tee command.log' is fine. [03:06] ah right [03:06] thx [03:06] Nick change: clyphox -> clyphox|afk [03:07] no problem. I just remember making that mistake awhile ago; I was confused why tee didn't seem to be working properly. [03:08] Cryp71c (i=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:09] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-194-250.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] dive: Pirace on #gnupg explained it to me [03:10] when I do gpg --export -a, it exports my public key along with signatures [03:11] so it lets people know all the people who've signed my key [03:11] ah [03:12] or is it peoples keys that you have signed? [03:13] 00:30 < redtricycle> why does gpg-export also export the signatures? [03:13] 00:31 < Pirace> Other people will know who have signed your key [03:13] is how it was phrased.. [03:13] hmm [03:13] dont see how [03:14] I mean how would I know who's signed m key [03:15] Nick change: clyphox|afk -> clyphox [03:15] wow --export -a is huge [03:16] 226k [03:16] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:17] and without -a it's still 167k [03:18] but my publiv key is small [03:18] Action: The-Croupier waves [03:19] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:23] redtricycle, try --export [03:23] use --list-keys first to find it [03:23] hell The-Croupier [03:23] oops [03:24] hello :) [03:24] lol [03:24] i was looking, about to buy a gfx card, and just now the price went up $20 [03:27] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [03:27] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-5c7259a9dda9d67b) joined ##slackware. [03:28] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:32] redtricycle, -a means export in ascii [03:33] if I do --list-keys and then gpg --export -a 6AA73666 I get only my key [03:36] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:40] i'm curious, why are some irc channels denoted by a single # while others use ## ? [03:42] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: "ZzZzZzzZzzzZZzzzzz" [03:43] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:43] slava_dp, overflow [03:44] http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#topicalchannels [03:44] it is topical [03:44] this isn't an officially endorsed irc channel [03:45] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [03:46] hmm I thought the #overflow in status bar was something to do with it :/ [03:47] why isn't this channel registered? [03:47] ok, i see. (i didn't get it about #overflow though. don't know what you meant). [03:48] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:49] andy_ (n=andy@194.47.187.36) joined ##slackware. [03:49] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [03:49] I see - it probably is registered but it's unofficial [03:49] andy_ (n=andy@194.47.187.36) left irc: Client Quit [03:50] StealthAsimov_ (n=andy@194.47.187.36) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Ficthe (n=grieve@70.92.3.35) left irc: Client Quit [03:51] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [03:51] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:51] bought meself a small laptop mouse today (with a retractable cord) and it's really-really fast. anyone knows a way to lower the mouse sensitivity? [03:52] i think #defocus is the official overflow channel for #freenode [03:52] that's usually where you get sent if #freenode is getting dumped on [03:55] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Naglfar (n=Severanc@30.Red-88-6-110.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:00] nullboy: isnt' it just #overflow ? [04:02] nullboy: #defocus is the official freenode social channel [04:02] #defocus [04:02] ?! [04:02] and you can't talk about politics, sex, religion, or porn. [04:03] damn [04:03] yeah, the network has been pretty lame for a while now [04:04] to change bootsplash in slack, cr.bootsplash is what i see in the wiki... :( but im not sure.. is that what i create/edit? i dont want to ruin my slack this early in the day [04:05] grub bootsplash? [04:06] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.64.32.224) left irc: [04:06] lilo [04:06] just read some lilo docs then [04:07] ;) [04:07] if u have one already working just symink the image to one u want [04:07] keep a copy of the original of course :) [04:08] only ever fiddles with syslinux logo's myself [04:08] clyphox: yeah of course... [04:08] u never know, always good to remind :) [04:08] i need to change the xfce bootsplash as well [04:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] clyphox: thanks ;) [04:09] i been stalked online by a dude who took a "rm -rf" joke too litterally :/ [04:09] ....many moons ago haha [04:10] lol [04:10] is that still a successful joke? [04:10] people keep trying it? [04:11] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:11] "never underestimate the power of human stupidity" [04:11] Naglfar (n=Severanc@233.Red-79-144-162.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] had some leet haxor dude come onto remote-exploit once [04:12] said: "hey d000ds, i need to hax my gf's acc. think shes been cheating on me" [04:12] then kept badgering the crowd every 10 seconds for the latest msn hack [04:12] splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/slackware/config/bootsplash-800x600.cfg >> /boot/initrd.splash [04:12] so i wangled his username and passwd out of him promising a 20 second hack :) [04:12] is this a way to do it? [04:12] never used it :/ sry can't say [04:12] more of a txt person myself [04:12] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-24-19-155-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:13] and never use initrds unless its some funky thing i'm working on like running off ramdisk or summin [04:14] Nick change: clyphox -> clyphox|afk [04:14] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) joined ##slackware. [04:15] i see. [04:16] ill seee what i could mange [04:18] in lilo.conf i see that it is in bmp format..does anyone know if i can use jpg? or other? and its 640x480x8 can i use a slightly different? or a gif or png???? [04:18] The-Croupier, I think it needs to be 8 bit bmp [04:19] damn [04:19] ill havee to only change xfce bootsplash then [04:20] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:20] and some iconthemes in xfce [04:21] i searched for the already there xfce bootsplash icons..but i cannot find them anywhere, anyone knows where could i add some more? [04:21] The-Croupier: you can make a nice image with 8bit bmps .. try importing into gimp and exporting [04:26] slava_dp, Are you using KDE? You can adjust mouse sensitivity from the Control Center in the Peripherals->Mouse tab [04:26] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:27] duryodhan: ill have a look [04:27] thank you [04:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Makaveli4life (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Otherwise, you can use xset to set the sensitivity and threshold, and save your changes permanently in ~/.xsession . More here, slava_dp: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/how-to-set-mouse-sensitivity-in-xorg.conf-not-window-manager-425552/ [04:28] Makaveli4life (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left ##slackware. [04:30] I've installed vmware player, from VMware-Player-2.5.1-126130.i386.bundle, seems to me, it's installed ok, but if I'm trying to run it, it tells me: [04:30] Error while powering on: VMware Player cannot connect to the virtual machine. Make sure you have rights to run the program and to access all directories it uses and rights to access all directories for temporary files.. [04:30] anyone has an idea what can be that? [04:31] nathanbw, thank you. the link is what i was looking for. [04:31] slava_dp, sweet [04:32] qneo, why don't you use virtualbox? it's Free Software, while vmware is not. and virtualbox is available on slackbuilds.org [04:33] qneo, I don't have VMWare installed currently, but check the documentation and make sure you don't have to add your user to a "vmware" group or something [04:34] Also, I have been using the OSS Virtualbox, and can tell you it rocks pretty hardcore :-) [04:34] doesn't vmware use a separate server app? [04:36] maybe the error is saying that it can't connect to server [04:36] slava_dp: I would, but I have VM created in vmware - in vista previously, and I need to use this one. and it's not working with virtualbox. I tried tu use virtualbox, but had a problem with nat. :( [04:37] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:37] qneo, i read that vbox 2.1.2 can now use vmdk (vmware) disk images. have you tried that? [04:38] nathanbw: I checked groups, there wasn't group vmware or so - at least it wasn't created by that installer. I was wondering, if I should create one, but didn't find any how to with this info. [04:38] slava_dp: no, I'll check it. [04:39] unfortunately slackbuilds.org only have vbox 2.0.6 [04:39] qneo, it was more of a guess on my part. I really don't know what's going on [04:39] SBo is pretty slow on version updates. [04:39] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:42] maybe I'll try to install it on mandriva/opensuse, and steal the idea how it works and setup from there. ;) [04:43] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:46] hi [04:46] who moderates this channel? [04:46] Different people. Why? [04:46] Starchaser: we are all the same person. [04:47] Spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:51] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn204.78-99-40.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("switching"). [04:53] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn204.78-99-40.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:54] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [04:54] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-55-68.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:55] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-55-68.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] nathanbw, heh, when i do xset m etc.... it actually affects both my mouse and my touchpad. the mouse speed decreases to normal but the touchpad speed becomes extremely slow :D so i guess i'll stick with the default values as i use both devices all the time. [04:59] slava_dp, I suppose you can do some magic with xorg.conf, I'd imagine with a different device section for your mouse and your trackpad. My xorg.conf-fu is rather weak though, but I'm sure you can dig it up :-) [04:59] i just want to suggest one link in topic. http://slackfind.net/ [05:00] nathanbw, yeah, i'm sure i can :) [05:01] Starchaser: nice site [05:01] Starchaser: I wouldnt want to be seen to be promoting slacky.eu package uso though [05:02] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [05:02] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) joined ##slackware. [05:03] packages from slacky.eu tend to be broken. i've seen different wrongs with them. [05:03] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:03] but the site is nice :) [05:03] slackfind i mean [05:03] The slacky.eu packages are not broken per se. They require depencies you may not want to install (gnome in particular) [05:04] Their package _quality_ is totally OK [05:04] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [05:04] heh. you can turn off slacky.eu in advanced search. =) [05:04] alienBOB: granted.. but i still wouldn't touch 'em with yours... [05:05] But their packages are usually built on systems which have their GnomeSlacky installed which mostly means their packages will not work _unless_ you also install GnomeSlacky [05:05] (your barge pole that is) [05:05] Heh [05:05] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [05:05] * > slacky > linuxpackages [05:05] pretty much says it [05:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-408366.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:06] * == pat / bob / slackbuild your own [05:07] obnauticus_ (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [05:07] alienBOB, i had a package from slacky.eu with misplaced dirs. okay, the program worked, but it was ugly :) [05:08] One advantage is that they publish their SlackBuilds together with the packages [05:08] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:08] Nick change: obnauticus_ -> obnauticus [05:08] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:08] alienBOB: yah i thought that... until it took me over an hour to turn one of theircs into one i would consider using! [05:09] and still it's not great.. just ask robby [05:09] (qwt) [05:10] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:10] Starchaser: enhancement for your site... a mirror for my and rworkman's packages is here: http://slackware.org.uk/3rd-party/alien/ [05:12] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:14] Sepero (n=none@96.13.4.116) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Hey guys, I went to this site, and it says I can look up the DNS of websites. http://www.tech-faq.com/find-dns-servers.shtml [05:15] Sepero: ? [05:15] so ? [05:16] Is it possible for me to find out someone else's DNS using just their ip? [05:16] If so, could you find out my DNS? 96.13.4.116 [05:16] Sepero: fail [05:17] Sepero, nothing [05:17] Nothing. :( [05:17] Sepero: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS [05:17] thx duryodhan [05:17] Sepero: you don't have a DNS registered on that iP .. [05:17] try dynamicdns.net or someting like that [05:18] I'm on a LAN, so I appear to be having problems changing my DNS [05:18] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] Sepero, 96.13.4.116 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4012ms [05:19] Sepero, looks like you're unreachab [05:19] *unreachable [05:19] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:19] I changed my DNS's to Opendns, but the opendns site shows my dns as unchanged. :\ [05:19] Sepero: if you are on LAN you are probably natted [05:20] what does ifconfig say ? [05:20] eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:d3:07:89:3a [05:20] inet addr:192.168.0.197 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 [05:20] inet6 addr: fe80::213:d3ff:fe07:893a/64 Scope:Link [05:20] Channel flood from Sepero -- kicking [05:20] UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 [05:20] RX packets:328603 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 [05:20] Sepero kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:20] Sepero (n=none@96.13.4.116) joined ##slackware. [05:20] alienBOB, thanks. i've added these mirrors [05:21] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:21] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:21] I dunno what natted means. lol [05:21] Sepero, you're on a lan behind nat - network address translation. [05:22] Sepero: 1. what are you trying to do? 2. wtf does it have to do with ##slackware? [05:22] I restarted my system and resolv.conf reflects the correct dns's. [05:23] I'm trying to set my dns's to opendns. [05:23] you want to use open DNS ? [05:23] ya [05:23] for waht? [05:24] opendns is a nice service, especially if kids use your computer [05:24] Access more content. [05:24] Sepero: what ? how ? [05:24] alienBOB: why ? [05:25] I don't want to be a slave to icann. :) [05:25] you ARE a slave to ICANN [05:25] stop fighting [05:25] rofl [05:25] and anyhow .. if you want to use openDNS .. why do you want your IP to have a DNS entry? [05:25] nooooooooooooooo [05:26] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.230) joined ##slackware. [05:26] I don't care if my ip has a dns entry. I'm just trying to figure out how to diagnose the problem. [05:26] lol [05:26] OpenDNS can filter out IP addresses that are known to have questionable content - you type in a hostname and it will not resolve to the site's actual IP address. That way, you can protect your kids from porn/spam/etc [05:26] alienBOB: the problem with openDNS is that it uses adverts for non existent entries .. thats a huge security risk [05:26] Sepero: you have not even started describing your problem [05:26] I haven't look into exactly how open DNS works though [05:27] Action: duryodhan has given up on Sepero [05:27] Action: Zordrak gave up on Sepero at 10:16:53 GMT :) [05:27] The problem is that I set my local dns's to opendns, but the opendns site reports that I'm not using their dns's. [05:27] The phrase "find out someone else's DNS" does not make sense at all [05:28] alienBOB: say you go to nonexist.yourbank.com .. openDNS wil show an Ad , but your bank's cookies will be sent .. cos your browser doesn't know that it was a non-existent domain [05:28] What do you mean with "their dns's" [05:28] Action: duryodhan slaps Zordrak with a fish for not warning him [05:28] duryodhan: that is something I'd have to look into [05:29] alienBOB What do you mean with "their dns's" -> opendns dns's [05:29] ewww OpenDNS = AOL Walled-Garden [05:29] or so it sooms [05:29] ahem.. seems [05:29] Spiko (n=Spiko@fs.carpediem.si) joined ##slackware. [05:30] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Zordrak: I may switch to opennic, but I need to at least get something working first. :) [05:30] alienBOB: Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_Advantage .. if it doesn't show ads .. it also claims to block suspicious domains [05:31] alienBOB: you really shouldn't depend upon openDNS to block content from kids [05:31] alienBOB: there are better solutions I think [05:31] Sepero: what OS are you running ? [05:31] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [05:32] duryodhan: slackware [05:32] ugh.. it looks AWFUL... not to mention what happens when someone decides it's a good idea to dos them [05:32] Zordrak: what looks awful ? [05:33] and when someone finds a way to poison them [05:33] duryodhan: Can you give me more info on being "natted"? [05:33] its like having everyone in the world using one single dns server managed by one organisation [05:33] *shudder* [05:34] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Sepero: http://www.google.com/search?q=nat [05:34] The failbus arrived early today [05:34] http://tinyurl.com/22c6t/search?q="Network Address Translation" [05:35] ty [05:35] stupid firefox .. doesn't convert spaces to %20 when copying [05:35] Zordrak: no its not .. it can never be [05:36] Zordrak: only the root DNS things are managed by open DNS [05:36] other queries are cached [05:36] I don't see how it is different from the current status quo [05:36] (the current also sucks .. but openDNS doesn't suck more) [05:37] ahmed (n=kvirc@adsl196-64-85-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [05:38] how can one tell if the firewall is started or not???? iptables something???? how can i see what rules are started???? man iptables..has lots lots of stuff... looking for just seeing what is working now [05:38] a single '?' also works you know [05:38] Nick change: ahmed -> ahmed-tux [05:39] duryodhan: lol [05:39] "iptables -L" i guess [05:39] hi everybody boys and girls [05:39] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:39] and androids too [05:39] that shows nothing [05:40] and alienBobs ? [05:40] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:40] The-Croupier: alienBob has a nice iptables config script on his site .. *recommend* [05:40] now it does..damn [05:41] slava_dp: did we scare off ahmed-tux ? [05:41] Action: The-Croupier just found out that the /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall.desktop.generic doesnt start in boot [05:41] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:41] Action: The-Croupier reading alienBOB site and the wiki to see if he can make it start in boot [05:41] duryodhan, at least he's still with us :) [05:42] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:42] The-Croupier: https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 That website will test your firewall [05:42] duryodhan: i dub thee [05:42] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:42] The-Croupier, might want to read /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 :) [05:43] Action: duryodhan can't speak now .. ahmed is dubbing for him [05:43] The-Croupier, rc.inet2, sorry [05:44] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:45] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:46] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a6c317b64e31a2b1) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Sepero: thank you very much..that is well helpful [05:46] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:47] slava_dp: thanks already on it [05:47] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Karu (n=alch@78-28-81-234.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [05:58] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:59] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:02] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:03] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:04] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:05] pedro__ (n=pedro@201-40-162-47.cable.viacabocom.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:05] wtf .. dateamillionaire.com [06:06] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:07] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [06:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:10] does that go both ways??? women and men???? [06:11] all those question marks are making my eyes bleed [06:13] ahmed-tux (n=kvirc@adsl196-64-85-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: Excess Flood [06:13] ahmed-tux (n=kvirc@adsl196-64-85-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [06:14] slackuser_ctba (n=slackuse@unaffiliated/slackuserctba/x-283974) left irc: "..(cyp): [BX] Nice shoes, wanna fuck?" [06:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:20] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:23] go to the site [06:23] you will see [06:23] infact everyone go to the site [06:23] you will be surprised where it takes you [06:26] duryodhan, wtf? it took me to the site. [06:26] which site? [06:26] zombo.com? [06:26] all your dreams come true there [06:26] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:26] this site also all your dreams come true [06:26] http://www.dateamillionaire.com/ [06:27] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [06:27] does it solve my flu too ? [06:27] yes it will [06:29] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-194-250.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [06:29] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [06:29] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:29] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:30] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Camarade_Tux: It cured my cancer. [06:31] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:32] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [06:34] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.64.32.224) joined ##slackware. [06:37] make it public..it will make you millions [06:37] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:40] a millionaire chick who is 54 :) [06:41] wait a minute .. [06:41] doesn't the site take you to www.google.com ? [06:42] Camarade_Tux: she is only like some months older than me then, i think that would be great... ;) what was the site again? [06:43] Action: The-Croupier deleted the extra ?????? [06:44] slava_dp: ? [06:44] duryodhan, nope :p [06:44] aww shit .. sorry [06:44] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:44] then please close the site [06:44] I think I might be behind openDNS or something like that [06:44] it was a funny scam :p [06:44] Action: Camarade_Tux is behind opendns [06:44] and it recognised that site as a scam site and auto redirected me to google [06:45] well, not really scam but at least funny to see the same pictures as used everywhere else ;p [06:46] ImmutableDark (n=m0@c220-237-99-49.randw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [06:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:46] slava_dp: I am sorry [06:47] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:47] StealthAsimov_ (n=andy@194.47.187.36) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:47] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:47] lol : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484300 [06:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:50] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:50] rofl [06:51] nice bug [06:51] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [06:51] yeah, the screenshot was very helpful too :) [06:52] yeah lol [06:52] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE92219.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Nick change: clyphox|afk -> clyphox [06:54] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [06:54] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Client Quit [06:54] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:54] Action: Camarade_Tux will work for RAM [06:54] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Action: The-Croupier is looking for hdd image creation tool :( [06:54] cat [06:54] :D [06:56] Action: clyphox larts pidgin [06:56] dd? [06:56] kick kick stab punch punch uppercut [06:56] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:56] The-Croupier: dd matie [06:56] dive: apart from dd? [06:56] what exactly do u wanna do? [06:57] dunno then [06:57] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [06:57] dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=(size in megs) [06:57] "done" [06:57] clyphox: create img of slackware as it is now, settings and everything, put in dvd, put dvd in drive restart and restore everything as was [06:57] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [06:58] ah there is a program that does that but I forget the name [06:58] well aix can do that on to a bootable tape lol [06:58] be able to add/remove stuff in img [06:58] meh [06:58] just make a tar [06:58] thats what i do, works [tm] [06:58] dive: there was driveclone [06:59] that's not the one I was thinking [06:59] hundreds of tools for it [06:59] is driveclone free now? [06:59] Sepero (n=none@96.13.4.116) left irc: Nick collision from services. [06:59] but I made a script once that copied everything into a folder then run mkisofs on it to make an image [06:59] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) joined ##slackware. [06:59] dive: you have a very strange way of thinking, i will never reach that [06:59] dive: you still have that ? [07:00] nope [07:00] wonderful [07:00] gotlost on the way [07:00] strange is wanting to remove-add stuff before restoring [07:00] restore, then tinker [07:00] but it wouldn't be hard to do so long as you miss out /dev /proc /sys [07:00] indeed [07:00] i see [07:01] snapshot of ENTIRE partiton/filesystem or the whole disk in its entirety? [07:02] so many ways to skin a cat :) [07:02] Action: The-Croupier likes animals [07:02] :p [07:02] so many ways to skin a banana [07:02] clyphox: just the partition ;) [07:02] Action: The-Croupier doesnt want to know what clyphox does with a banana [07:03] ok and dumping it onto another partition i assume? [07:03] that or a dvd [07:03] well lets assume u have space on another partition... [07:03] i would : [07:03] 1. boot a livecd [07:03] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:03] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:04] 2. mount the partition(s) /from /too (for example) [07:04] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [07:04] 3. just backup said partition into a tar file (compressed, and on /too (ie windoze, whatever) [07:05] clyphox: last time i did that partition /too got lost [07:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:05] i missed step 3 though [07:05] # cd /from ; tar zcpvf /too/wholething.tar.gz 1>list_of_files.txt [07:05] that's cos it's spelled /to [07:05] well they're just examples [07:05] Nick change: kleanchap -> kleanchapZZZ [07:05] lol [07:06] oops [07:06] clyphox: i understand [07:06] # cd /from ; tar zcpvf /too/wholething.tar.gz 1>/too/list_of_files.txt [07:06] # cd /from ; tar zcpvf /too/wholething.tar.gz 1>/too/list_of_files.txt . [07:06] ^correct [07:06] The-Croupier: since disk space is so cheap, what I do is have an exteral disk and rsync the entire system to it [07:06] that'll make a file with everything [07:06] yeh rsync is fun [07:07] it's by far the better solution (when you don't need history, that is) [07:07] Kaapa: i do have an external disk..last time i cp everything in there [07:07] cp? [07:07] rsync is much better [07:07] u can do snapshots using rsync, i forgot how but i made a script once [07:07] Kaapa: :( yes [07:07] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Kaapa: ill have to read rsync now ;) [07:07] yes u can trust rsync, copy it all once and it'll save u time next time [07:07] Action: The-Croupier damn there so much to learn and yet so little time [07:08] rsync 101: rsync -vcarp /from /too (what i use) [07:08] it's very hard! [07:08] $ cat ~/backupToDisk.sh [07:08] sudo rsync -av --delete --exclude '/mnt/disk' / /mnt/disk/backups/neraka/ [07:08] :p [07:08] compress can help ;) [07:08] screw compression! [07:08] :p [07:08] i just remember the carp fish thing lol [07:09] again assuming yer doing it from a livecd or summin btw [07:10] Kaapa: delete? [07:11] if compares source to dest [07:11] if there is a file that has been deleted on source it will remove it from the dest [07:11] i see that rsyncs everything under / in /mnt/path/to/disk/ [07:11] (IE it mirrors) [07:11] yes [07:11] might wanna also exclude /sys /proc /dev [07:11] fantastic thanks [07:12] clyphox: like --exclude 'mnt/disk' '/sys' etc [07:12] no need [07:12] sure? ok [07:12] rsync detects it's not a "real" file and skips it [07:12] i've always been paranoid haha [07:12] nice to know [07:12] Action: clyphox <3 rsync even more now [07:13] awsome, thanks guys [07:13] u will have to remember to recreate some of the base directories like /dev /proc /sys i assume tho [07:13] Action: The-Croupier always learns new stuff in #slackware... information is endless [07:13] clyphox: nah [07:13] for peace of mind i still recommend a full tar off a livecd [07:13] Action: The-Croupier has a stupid bad bad memory [07:14] last slackware instalation I did was rsync a working system to a new laptop [07:14] get a tiddlywiki for notes ;) [07:14] Kaapa: i have no other slackware apart from my laptop though :( [07:14] i need a way to restore from somewhere [07:14] it just worked! All I had to do was use a livecd to run lilo [07:15] The-Croupier: that's what I'm telling you, use a external disk [07:15] same for tar :) [07:15] Kaapa: sorry, im listening [07:15] then with a livecd rsync the other way [07:16] Nick change: clyphox -> clyphox|UrT [07:16] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-133-161.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Kaapa: that sounds well easy... thank you [07:16] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:16] Action: The-Croupier will try it over the weekend [07:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] you're formatting your system? [07:19] kre_ten (n=user@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [07:20] hi, i am trying to use office wlan with wpa enabled, but i experience some problems [07:20] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:21] i have run the wlan on fully open network with no encryption, and know that it works [07:21] Nick change: clyphox|UrT -> clyphox [07:21] tried networkmanager? [07:21] tried kwifimanager [07:22] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [07:22] dont touch kde so dunno it sry [07:22] wicd? [07:22] Kaapa: did that already [07:22] clyphox, what are you using [07:22] fresh installed 12.2 ;) now 30% back as it was... have most of the files in external hdd [07:22] NetworkManager, its the best (gui) wifi tool [07:22] (afaik) [07:23] Nick change: kleanchapZZZ -> kleanchap [07:23] wicd is good and less deps [07:23] iirc [07:23] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [07:23] kre_ten: does it give u any specific kinda errors btw? WPA wise? [07:23] networkmanager is one of the most broken things in gnome. and gnome is broken in general :P [07:24] The-Croupier: why do you do fresh installs? You screw up your system that bad? :) [07:24] well yes, depends on if i run wpa_supplicant or not (and i am not sure what is it for at all) [07:24] kre_ten: use wicd [07:24] Kaapa: deleted all startup files [07:24] dive, wicd is about my problem, now i realise [07:25] i will give it a try, is it included in the distro? [07:25] rc.d / all deleted [07:25] yes [07:25] The-Croupier: hum... that's bad... why?! [07:25] Kaapa: wanted to make boot letters be in color [07:25] like livecds [07:25] you could just have all packages you had reinstalled [07:25] school of hard knocks :) [07:26] i have all my pkgs [07:26] kre_ten, which slackware version are you using? [07:26] 12.2 [07:26] the thing that pisses me off after reinstall is the options [07:26] wicd should be included [07:27] i had all,iptables,firewalls,permissions ...etc fixed [07:27] now have to do that all again [07:27] it is not included, i have just checked. i have install every packet [07:27] you need to run /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start [07:27] kre_ten: yes it is [07:27] is it in extra? [07:27] and with that bad of a memory, it takes some time to re-read ;) [07:27] it may be in extra [07:27] extra/wicd/wicd-1.5.6-noarch-2.tgz [07:28] run /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start then start the gui - wicd-client [07:28] The-Croupier: even when I screwd with glibc upgrades, I never had to reinstall [07:28] always have a slax at hand and everything will be fine [07:28] wicd-client as user [07:28] thanks i will give it a try [07:29] why as user? [07:29] i am configuring the system right now, and use root mostly [07:29] Kaapa: i have every other livecd-crap apart from slax :( [07:29] Action: The-Croupier downloading slax-livecd ;) [07:29] you need start rc.wicd as root but when you have a normal desktop running start wicd-client as user is all that is necesary [07:30] but you will still need put in wpa settings etc [07:30] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:30] The-Croupier, according to me, you can install the needed packages with the slackware boot disk too, but you shold know what exactly to install :) [07:30] The-Croupier: well, you can use whaterver gives you access to your system [07:31] The-Croupier: I just use slax because it's the most similar to slack and it has also some memtest tools [07:33] Kaapa: yep i am at the site building a slax-livecd with all the tools i think are nice [07:34] can i install stuff from that to slackware? or are there dependancy stuff in order [07:34] for example fprot looks nice [07:34] are slackware's packages usuable an atom CPU ? [07:35] v4nelle (n=van@adsl85-247.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:36] jonsmith1982: intel atom CPUs honour the normal intel-x86 family cpu commands, so there should be no problem with this [07:37] (this is not slackware specific) [07:37] jonsmith1982: an Atom CPU is an ordinary CPU (32bit) with which Slackware has no issues [07:37] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a6c317b64e31a2b1) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:37] Pat runs Slackware-current on an Atom CPU for testing [07:39] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-97532ee04d4e4f08) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Akuma0n5 (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Ba Dum Tssss" [07:40] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [07:41] mindbndr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [07:43] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [07:44] a friend of mine has an eee with an atom and absolutely no problem either [07:44] that machine is a bit slow though [07:44] Camarade_Tux: are you sure? [07:45] sure that is runs well, yes [07:45] sure that it is slow as soon as you start compiling anything, sure too [07:45] Camarade_Tux: sure that it's a bit slow [07:45] slackpkg to apply patches? or other way recommended? [07:46] The-Croupier: upgradepkg patches/*tgz [07:46] i'm gonna get some kind of mini itx atom board, see if i can make a wireless router, bought a netgear wgr614l and its a pain in the arse. [07:46] not enough space for other applications, not usb.... and you've gotta cross compile. [07:47] learn t a lesson there. [07:47] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:05] gr? [08:05] The-Croupier: no... im in Brazil... [08:05] The-Croupier: .br [08:06] smurfwork (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] ice cold cokes n blowjobs for everyone!!! [08:07] \o/ [08:07] woo [08:07] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:07] saw this just now, thought i'd share it http://www.coolepochcountdown.com/ (dont worry its safe for work) [08:07] Action: The-Croupier prefers beer [08:08] thats cooh, we can do that too [08:08] you can have both :) [08:08] ag3ntugly: porn? [08:08] nah, its the countdown till unix time = 1234567890 [08:08] we have a week to go [08:09] how marvelous would that be if your workplace were to offer drinks n blowjobs rather than pizza parties? :P [08:09] Action: thrice` would rather have pizza while at work, I think [08:10] ^softy [08:10] mixing business and pleasure = bad thing :> [08:10] well, you enjoy pizza right? [08:10] Action: The-Croupier would rather have blowjob while at work [08:11] the rest of us enjoy blowjobs even more :D, so why not? especially if its being offerened by your superiors [08:11] pizzas and masturbation will make your keyboard dirty, not blowjobs :) [08:11] Action: lw0x15 would rather eat the pizza at work while having a bj [08:12] perhaps it's because I don't work with too attractive of people o.O [08:12] thrice`: bad luck :( [08:13] lw0x15, sorry, you can't have both at the same time, it's too expensive -_- [08:13] Action: Old_Fogie winpops his job's lan with thrice's "I don't work with too attractive of people" [08:13] :) [08:13] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:14] necropresto, thessaloniki :) [08:14] Camarade_Tux: ill bring my own pizza then [08:14] v4nelle: greece [08:14] v4nelle: cool [08:14] i garuntee 120% that employees would be way happier to come to work [08:14] u? [08:14] v4nelle: Brazil [08:14] perfect [08:14] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:15] anyway, Old_Fogie, i know you need a blowjob for puttin up with my dumb questions last night :P [08:15] smurfwork: did you get the amarok fixed? [08:15] indeed! [08:15] aha, so what was it? [08:15] KDE.options [08:16] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] yea, sorry I didnt mention that one teeny weeny part there. I just assumed you were looking at the script and would've nabbed it too along witht the patch :( [08:17] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:17] hi gar0t0 [08:19] next small project will be to get vsftpd to run with ssl [08:20] then, i really wanna write a gkrellm plugin to scroll the last line of my xfer.log [08:22] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. 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[09:36] Anyone know if this is adesklets, or some KDE plug-in (yes, it's a little old, but...): http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=27 [09:37] wow.. people actually use the gallery? [09:37] and here I thought it was dead [09:37] hmm, anybody using openoffice3 from sbo build? if so, where in the world can you download the openoffice installer without jre? [09:40] ananke: the OOo web site has it [09:40] mbhayes: Only this week have I been in ##slackware; stayed on OFTC all the time. So, I didn't even know about the gallery. [09:40] ahhh [09:41] I took it over from a couple of other guys when they got too busy to maintain it.. [09:41] Is the link in the .info file not the correct one then? http://ftp-atl.osuosl.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.0.1/OOo_3.0.1_LinuxIntel_install_en-US.tar.gz [09:41] Cryp71c (i=Cryp71c@c-69-245-23-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] How can I tell if a particular ' [09:41] eh [09:41] 'component' (such as agppart) is installed and configured on my system* [09:41] apggart you mean? [09:41] er.. agpgart [09:41] alienBOB : all of the ones from their main page point to OOo_3.0.1_LinuxIntel_install_wJRE_en-US.tar.gz [09:41] yes mbhayes sorry, typo [09:41] alienBOB : thank you, i'll try that one [09:41] BrunoCabraL_ (n=t7DS@mvx-189-45-132-30.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Cryp71c: agpgart is in the kernel iirc. [09:42] ananke: if you're looking at SBo, look at the .info file which contains a download link [09:42] and iirc.. its enabled by default [09:42] thrice` & alienBOB : doh! [09:42] heh [09:42] ananke: shame on you! [09:42] paisa (n=victor@cblmdm72-241-224-97.buckeyecom.net) left irc: [09:42] ananke: You're usually schooling everyone else.. wtf happened? [09:43] mbhayes : i don't use sbo. [09:43] at least not to that extent [09:45] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:45] heh [09:46] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:46] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.16) joined ##slackware. [09:47] gahhh I'm a bit new to linux, and I installed rom the 2.6.27 kernel to 2.6.28.3 and -despite my efforts to reinstall the firmware for it- my broadcom wireless card won't even show up on if/iwconfig [09:47] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:48] skibur (i=1000@12.197.206.165) joined ##slackware. [09:48] hrm.. is that the crap with /lib/firmware? or something like htat? [09:48] yep and b43-fwcutter [09:49] heh.. never had to use it [09:49] at least not yet [09:49] But even before I got it working on the old kernel [09:49] it would still show up in ifconfig and iwconfig [09:49] it just wouldn't 'up' [09:54] ifconfig blah up [09:55] spook, like I JUST said, 'wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" [09:56] because theres no such device duh-u-duh my car go in tree duuuh [09:56] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Except on the old kernel that comes packaged w/ 12.2 the device shows up fine, and after installing the broadcom firmware, it loads and operates normally. [09:56] "old kernel" [09:57] 2.6.27.7 [09:57] its one major version behind current, and when 12.2 was released, 2.6.28 had been out like a week [09:57] right I understand that [09:57] it was chosen to be STABLE, not to be shiny and new [09:59] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [09:59] It's times like these that make me love bacon. [09:59] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] spook: some people naturally suffer from "shiny version syndrome" ;-) [10:01] BP{k}: i suffer from the tearing them a new one syndrome [10:02] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-133-161.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:05] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [10:05] Cryp71c: just out of curiosity, is there a specific reason you need to run a .28.3 kernel? [10:06] spook, to use the new intel graphics drivers they just released. [10:06] BP{k}, rather ^^ [10:08] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176074069.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:08] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Action: spook prepares the sledgeclawhammer [10:11] BP{k}: I'd say folks scratching their shinyNewThing sores probably don't use Slackware, but there are people who even use Debian, so I guess we're shiny-likers by contrast. [10:14] hmm, i wonder why R is under the 'development' category in sbo [10:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.230) left irc: [10:15] whats R? [10:15] www.r-project.org [10:15] statistical/math software [10:16] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [10:16] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [10:16] smurfwork (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:16] oh. [10:16] Hi, I compile kernel slackware 12.2 > kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (8,3) [10:16] sidmario: your own fault. [10:17] you need support for your / partition compiled in [10:17] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [10:18] R is an open-source S, no? [10:18] what is S ? [10:18] R is from the gov i think [10:18] then open sourced [10:18] Nick change: mohaa|pala -> mohaa [10:19] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:19] spook How to solve, I tried [10:19] sidmario: user error, replace user. [10:19] sidmario, i suggest starting with a kernel .config from the kernel in slack12.2 [10:20] spook / = /dev/sda3 [10:20] sidmario: ............. [10:21] .config from 12.2 the same error [10:21] which kernel? huge? [10:22] ....... [10:22] tank-man: obviously its the generic kernel [10:22] both [10:22] and he fails [10:22] HERE COMES THE FAILBUS [10:22] kre_ten (n=user@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "all i've got, all i've got is insane! (Slipknot)" [10:22] all aboard! [10:24] kilasmur1 (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [10:24] I tried with 2.6.28.3 [10:25] ....... [10:25] the same error [10:26] spook: I get frequent-rider discounts, what with all the blindfolded-and-bound-feet dancing videos I put on YouTube. [10:26] RE: failbus. [10:26] Nick change: kilasmur1 -> smurfwork [10:33] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [10:33] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.202.194) left ##slackware. [10:34] "R can be considered a different implementation of S." [10:34] The only thing about r-project.org is the lack of lolcat pics. But, I guess that's what whitehouse.gov is for anyway. [10:35] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-90cf8af8c7b4e3b5) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:35] hi [10:36] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Howdy. 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[11:20] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [11:20] t3lm1n8890fGG (n=chatzill@nat/ibm/x-7bbda18a20162192) joined ##slackware. [11:21] TheBig (n=TheBig@host33-153-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Leaving" [11:21] if you do openssl des3 on a file with a password, is it possible to crack it later? [11:23] v4nelle (n=van@adsl47-106.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:24] boxxertrumps (n=1TrumpaR@unaffiliated/boxxertrumps) left ##slackware. [11:27] PsYkHe (n=joao@189.22.214.46) joined ##slackware. [11:27] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] josemanuel (n=josemanu@249.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:29] necropresto (n=necropre@201.48.129.50) joined ##slackware. [11:31] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:15] Anyone know how to write a .vimrc so the numpad characters PuTTY sends it don't result in a seizure? [12:16] Typing from the numrow, again via PuTTY, is fine; and using the numpad in all manner of other contraption [read: "app"] is fine. [12:16] evanton (i=nobody@gateway/tor/x-9bc3c9dae3fd193b) joined ##slackware. [12:16] But vim no likey. [12:16] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:17] BP{k}: may I pm you? [12:17] evanton: about? [12:18] BP{k}: will explain the reason in pm, in a couple of lines [12:18] feel free to ignore if you're busy right now [12:18] evanton: go ahead. [12:19] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:25] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:31] dineropublico (n=dineropu@143.Red-79-153-7.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] i run gnu/linux on my computer with NO proprietary software installed, how can i in freedom browse thru http://www.circuloartetoledo.org/ ??? [12:32] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-97532ee04d4e4f08) left irc: [12:32] lynx [12:32] ... [12:33] what's wrong with proprietary software? [12:34] it is tainted, it goes against doctrine [12:34] whos doctrine [12:34] RMS? [12:34] Our Patron Saint's [12:34] lol [12:34] cause rms is a smelly hippy [12:34] bleh [12:35] dineropublico: who buys your food? Lemme guess: your parents! [12:35] no! i am in my mid 40s [12:35] dineropublico: if you want http://www.circuloartetoledo.org/ so badly, then tell the owners thsy should use another tool to build their web site [12:35] lol [12:35] dineropublico, so that is a yes [12:35] haw [12:35] actually, with a nick like "public money"... [12:35] Patron Saint? That brings back old memories of a troll... Let me check the channel logs [12:36] heh, that doesn't mean anything :D [12:36] can you hear anything? no? and you know why that is? because there are no sounds to hear [12:36] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [12:36] spoook [12:36] rms is not a smelly hippy. His Holiness suffers from hydrophobia related to Asperger's [12:36] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] i definitely read that as 'assburger' [12:37] dineropublico, don't blame the asperbers my brother was labeled with that nonsense [12:37] lets laser our way through. a good suggestion sir, with only two draw backs. 1) we dont have a powersource for any lasers, and 2) we dont have any lasers. [12:37] nix_chix0000000r [12:37] XOR [12:37] i met rms he's lame [12:37] dineropublico: if you want to be taken seriously, stop taking "His Holiness" and "Patron Saint" [12:38] dineropublico: if a site can't be viewed by somebody, the site just has less visitors. it's as simple as that. [12:38] i was in His presence too but he is not lame. He has a rather vertical approach to things [12:38] alienBOB, aspbergers another way of saying they are a geek [12:38] Were you oldpentium once dineropublico? [12:38] nix_chix0r: hi, how are you? [12:39] what is it with this channel [12:39] wait, he's talking about pat? [12:39] is it like a electro-magnet for loonies? [12:39] No [12:39] RMS [12:39] spook, i woke up not to long ago, i'm doin alright:) [12:40] oh... well, anyway... :p [12:40] nix_chix0r: cool :) [12:40] were you a nice person once? [12:40] spook, come monday , is the final countdownnn [12:40] dineropublico: smeg off [12:40] nix_chix0r: *sings* the final countdown [12:40] 6more weeks on monday [12:40] were you a nice person once? [12:40] now if only i could go into a coma till labor [12:40] this guy is a bot. [12:40] YEs your IP matches that of oldpentium dineropublico [12:41] We warned you back then that you were annoying [12:42] alienBOB: just to check... how long was "back then"? [12:42] That set aside, you _Are_ welcome hee dineropublico... just cut the holy crap [12:42] Kaapa: end of august 2008 [12:43] alienBOB: ok, I was getting worried about your memory filtering :) After all it was not so long ago [12:43] smeg [12:43] hell, I don't even remember what I had for lunch [12:43] Without Him where would we be? [12:43] in the $hit, let me tellya! [12:43] dineropublico, had he not done it i would have so calm down [12:44] so what is it? <3 red dwarf [12:45] zGhost (i=joseph@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: [12:45] spook: :) [12:46] only joking [12:47] I'm Mr. Chips. You snowballed my father. Prepare to die. [12:47] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [12:47] public money is supporting MS and proprietary software corps big time! 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And I encourage you to do the same. [12:49] nationplacebo: i'd bait you, but i know i dont have to [12:49] dineropublico: RMS is a smeghead [12:50] evanton: what's MS related, for example? [12:50] lol [12:50] evanton: except windoze and office, of course :) [12:50] mindbndr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [12:51] stybla: you're missing the point [12:51] evanton> the website http://www.circuloartetoledo.org/ is proof that my taxes are being used to support MS and other evil proprietary software corps, at least in spain [12:51] evanton: 'm I? [12:51] dineropublico: please smeg up. [12:52] blasphemy! [12:52] dimmerbold: the slackware channel is not the right place to complain about your taxes being used wrong [12:52] evanton: failbus [12:52] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:52] People, be nice now [12:52] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-220-247.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] dineropublico (n=dineropu@143.Red-79-153-7.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:54] Yes Ma'am [12:54] Thanks [12:54] No take a cookie [12:54] The chocolate will make you feel happy [12:54] it took all 3 of my braincells to come up with that [12:54] evanton, untill some one starts talking about slack we can discuss offtopic things within reason [12:55] that's what i was told thanks [12:55] True nix_chix0r [12:55] Calling names is a differnt story [12:55] well yes that's uncalled for [12:55] I always miss that 'e' there [12:55] nix_chix0r: you do know that everything MS-related turns into a flame war anyway, don't you? [12:56] i made #slack-social but no one goes in there:p [12:56] Be good while I shop for groceries. nix_chix0r will watch over you kids [12:56] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [12:56] alienBOB: bring back some beer. ;) [12:56] BP{k}: exactly! I was out of stock [12:57] Plus coke & crisps [12:57] alright now don't piss off the pregnant woman!! [12:57] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-151-166.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:57] I won't even piss _on_ a pregnant woman nix_chix0r [12:57] nix_chix0r: you just need some loving. [12:57] well that's good, i wouldn't enjoy that [12:57] nix_chix0r: I would gladly accept to read about achieving a certain technical goal with Windows (the same goal that you would easily achieve with Slackware Linux), but not political crap like wrong usage of taxes. I hope you get my point. [12:58] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:58] evanton, yeah [12:58] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Action: alienBOB kindly mentions that he is working on a Vista computer with a vncviewer connecting to a Slackware session running this IRC client ;-) [12:59] alienBOB: HERETIC [12:59] heh [12:59] I hate zealots unless I am acting like one spook [12:59] spring time can happen any day now [12:59] Nick change: clyphox -> clyphox|afk [12:59] Joined the dark side I have [13:00] alienBOB: when i say heretic, you know i dont mean it right? i only mean that you're betraying all the work you've put into slackware. [13:00] spook: of course [13:00] When you grow up you will all understand the true nature of freedom (which is not RMS's definition of freedom) [13:01] I'll read the spam when I return with beer :-) [13:01] no! you must confrom! [13:01] oh well [13:02] alienBOB, get me a sobe green tea please [13:02] in other news, regular sized condoms are really quite uncomfortable for me [13:02] :O [13:03] josemanuel (n=josemanu@249.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:04] they slide off? :-) [13:05] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) left irc: [13:05] haha [13:05] they dont fit, too tight [13:05] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) joined ##slackware. [13:05] condoms are fairly stretchy so you must have elephantitis [13:05] not when you cant unroll it [13:07] so what sizes do they make, small , regular, and magnum? [13:07] i see guys all the time getting the magnums and i laugh [13:07] i want to ask them, how many kids you have [13:07] they make small regular and spook, the specially small size just for me :P [13:08] cute [13:08] v4nelle (n=van@adsl54-144.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:08] self deprivating humour [13:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:08] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.63) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) left irc: Client Quit [13:08] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) joined ##slackware. [13:08] well, they could be getting magnums for indirect purposes [13:08] Action: lw0x15 om nom nom nom nom [13:09] massive water bombs? [13:09] Naglfar (n=Severanc@233.Red-79-144-162.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:09] good example [13:09] http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-it-Windows-7-or-KDE-4-/0,139023769,339294810,00.htm [13:09] Action: spook has done this [13:09] told you guys..its similar (: [13:10] lw0x15: stick with the topic [13:10] spook: water bombs ? [13:10] comdoms [13:10] spook: your penis!? [13:11] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [13:11] mib_nvodl2 (i=7aa7d582@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50bb237183e81ca8) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Nick change: mib_nvodl2 -> duryodhan [13:11] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] indeed :P [13:11] hey [13:11] some people find that IRC is the only time their penis the topic of conversation [13:11] its better than RMS [13:11] or windows 7 [13:11] what do I have to do to get wireless working in slackware ? [13:11] I have wicd .. but it refuses to detect the network [13:12] duryodhan: try hitting it with a hammer, that will definately help [13:12] I kicked it .. but didn't work [13:12] MAYBE READ WICD DOCUMENTATION [13:12] what should I configure in wireless settings [13:12] spook: the wicd-client should detect the network then I can do something right [13:12] evanton (i=nobody@gateway/tor/x-9bc3c9dae3fd193b) left irc: Client Quit [13:12] I dont' get it not detecting the network at all [13:13] (and notice how I don't use all caps) [13:13] the wicd-client does nothing just by itself [13:13] don't listen to spook, he typically has no idea what he's talking about, but tries to help by shouting dumb ideas [13:13] thrice`: hahahah [13:13] duryodhan: do you have the proper interface listed under preferences? [13:13] duryodhan, when setting up wicd, did you use the chmod command? [13:13] spook: yeah I have rc.wicd started [13:14] and slack 12.2 [13:14] and ps aux | grep wicd suggests it's running ? [13:14] yeah [13:14] &> outputs from stderr. Does &| do the same thing with pipes? [13:14] wicd daemon and wicd monitor? [13:14] Action: duryodhan is booting up windows to see if it is a problem with network or with linux [13:14] does wicd-client actually load, or complains about dbus ? [13:14] and you modified rc.inet1.conf ? [13:15] btw.. what is the recommended value in wireless settings ? WEP ? [13:15] duryodhan: bye! [13:15] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [13:15] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] duryodhan: if you dont know your wireless settings you arent going to get it working [13:15] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [13:16] ccfreak2k: try it and see [13:16] spook: I know my wireless settings [13:16] I am asking whether I should set my ROUTER to use WEP or WPA [13:17] WPA [13:17] 2 [13:17] wep is insecure [13:17] with PSK [13:17] wpa [13:17] Action: duryodhan is getting tired of spook acting smart alecy [13:17] wep, if you have a nintendo ds [13:17] :) [13:17] wep would honestly take me only 5 mins to crack it [13:17] josemanuel: wep is not insecure, it is just less secure than wpa or wpa2 [13:17] wpa2 personal or wpa2 corporate ? (thats what the router settings show me ) [13:17] duryodhan: what router? [13:18] s/corporate/enterprise [13:18] linksys [13:18] mib_o7wve0 (i=592c58cf@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f06b333dd5f0be96) joined ##slackware. [13:18] mib_o7wve0 (i=592c58cf@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f06b333dd5f0be96) left ##slackware. [13:18] documentation? [13:18] l4m4_m4n (i=592c58cf@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0e4e66420750493e) joined ##slackware. [13:19] hello guys! is there any chanel for motherboard support? [13:19] l4m4_m4n: not this one. [13:19] :) that's for sure [13:20] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] duryodhan: i forgot to mention how drunk i am [13:21] l4m4_m4n, try #gilf [13:21] nix_chix0r: niiice :) [13:22] ahmed-tux (n=kvirc@adsl196-64-85-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/02/04 16:27:39 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [13:23] l4m4_m4n (i=592c58cf@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0e4e66420750493e) left irc: Client Quit [13:23] hohohoho [13:23] time for sleep [13:23] whoever pinged me with a link to "how to set up wifi on slackware" .. I think the whole point of WICD is that I won't have to configure wpa-supplicant myself by hand [13:23] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:23] ....... [13:23] duryodhan: are you always like this? [13:24] no .. I am usually much more rude [13:24] :D [13:24] spook, you just need to drink more buddy [13:25] damn .. it seems linux didn't recognise that my kill switch was now off .... [13:25] thats all [13:25] the physical wifi button was off? [13:25] no it was on [13:25] but the kernel didn't realise [13:26] tank-man: I had thought of that as a possibility so had manually turned it on off a few times [13:26] but a restart fixed it [13:26] duryodhan: looks to me like editing rc.inet1.conf is easier than manipulating wicd... I find that guis are nice as long as they work. If they do not produce desired results you're in hell [13:26] But glad you found the prob [13:27] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:28] alienBOB: I struggle very much with rc.inet1.conf [13:28] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] aperturefever (i=1000@195.251.166.115) joined ##slackware. [13:31] hmm what should nmap look like ? [13:31] alienBOB: I guess .. if you are always using same network [13:31] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] but I am always switching at various places [13:32] GUI seems nice for me [13:32] Can someone answer something for me real quick? I'm going through re-compiling my kernel to put TuxOnIce on my laptop, but when I look through the kernal options I says that Hibernation (aka 'suspend to disk') is already built-in. How would I go about using the built-in one? [13:33] stupid random X crashes! :S [13:33] rAWjAW: typically, using a tool (like pm-hibernate), or an echo [13:33] rAWjAW: do you hv a swap partition ? [13:33] Yea, I have a swap [13:33] tux-on-ice is pretty hack-ish and not needed :> [13:33] then read the kernel docs [13:33] its pretty simple [13:34] just echo "disk" to some /sys/ file thats all [13:34] echo -n disk > /sys/power/state [13:34] thrice`: nooo .. let him read it first [13:34] rAWjAW: there should be an enhanced hibernation option around [13:34] Thanks, i'll look it up [13:34] thrice`: all the warnings he needs to read [13:34] :( [13:35] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:36] what's the X driver name we can use for a ati card? [13:36] guys seriously .. my nmap to my router is showing ALL ports open [13:36] ati [13:36] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:37] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:37] hum, I tried it but got no display at all [13:39] http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.HTML [13:39] no, not that [13:39] the alternative [13:39] cause I'm having random crashes and I'd like to see if its caused by ati drivers [13:39] vesa doesnt allow 1280x800 [13:40] is xf86-video-ati installed ? [13:40] yes [13:41] whats the output of the failed startx then? [13:41] there's a radeon driver inside that package, maybe I can use that one [13:42] yeap 'radeon' is an option too [13:42] I just had no ouput, but no failure. Need to try it again.. [13:42] Kaapa: try just "X -configure" and let xorg figure it out :> [13:42] Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series [13:42] thrice`: that didn't work [13:43] replacing 'ati' with 'radeon' worked ? [13:43] didn't try yet. Tons of work to do, but thanks for the suggestion! [13:44] duryodhan: from the inside that should be the case. [13:44] spook: ok [13:44] otherwise you wouldnt be able to connect to anything [13:45] spook: any way of me checking it from outside ? any service ? [13:45] i need sleep [13:45] bb ppl [13:45] aperturefever (i=1000@195.251.166.115) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [13:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:48] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-195-3-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:03] thnx [14:03] should make an alias for that one really [14:04] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:06] ilj_ (n=ilj@217.117.75.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:06] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] Nick change: lee555J5 -> anti-panzer [14:12] duryodhan (i=7aa7d582@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50bb237183e81ca8) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:13] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [14:15] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: "Leaving." [14:18] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:18] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: Client Quit [14:20] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) joined ##slackware. [14:20] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1f7585ad782913c3) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Spike Developer Zone [14:25] An Open-Source Support Community For Developers, By Developers [14:25] Register [14:25] Channel flood from t3lm1n8890fGG -- kicking [14:25] Login [14:25] t3lm1n8890fGG kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:25] hahaha [14:25] stupid BOT [14:25] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [14:25] ^^ [14:26] and clever slackboy bot ;p [14:26] lol [14:26] and the ape support in audacious is from ffmpeg :) (recent versions of which have fixes for that codec btw) [14:28] hashed_ (n=hashed@24.248.222.212) joined ##slackware. [14:28] what package is slackware's default vncview in? [14:29] freegode (n=chatzill@nat/ibm/x-65dbda20368573cd) joined ##slackware. [14:29] or is there not one? [14:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [14:30] nevermind, that was tightvnc i was just using. thought it was a different one. [14:30] man my kernel is all f'd up [14:30] dammit hell [14:31] that's the last time i compile it myself [14:31] aporio_ (n=aporio@p4FE8A45A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] PsYkHe (n=joao@189.22.214.46) left irc: "." [14:35] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/screenshot.jpg [14:36] nice [14:36] i decided to try and mimic my wife's mac in terms of the physical layout [14:36] lol [14:36] that's a nice wallpaper [14:37] she bought a powermac with like a million software programs [14:37] thanks, but it's not mine: someone else created that wallpaper [14:38] can you dcc it me? [14:38] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [14:38] uh just google for it [14:38] whats it called? [14:39] in the process you will probably find wallpapers that you like even more [14:40] i googled for slackware wallpaper [14:40] dngr (n=dngr@pcd548234.netvigator.com) left irc: "disconnecting from stoned server." [14:40] dngr (n=dngr@pcd548234.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) left irc: [14:41] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left ##slackware. [14:41] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) joined ##slackware. [14:42] smurfwork (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:43] Spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] TwinReverb: Pretty nice. If I tried to mimic my wife's Mac desktop, well, I'm not a masochist after 2 EST. [14:43] http://darkwallpapers.net/ is nice [14:44] I wonder how many married Slackers' spouses use Macs? [14:44] i don't and i don't use wallpapers ;-) [14:45] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) left irc: Client Quit [14:45] mine doesn't but that's because i'm a cheap husband :p [14:45] i had a girlfriend who was into linux but only for Tux [14:45] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) joined ##slackware. [14:45] lol [14:46] Action: lw0x15 wouldnt allow macs into the house [14:46] i guess wallpapers make "sense" with window managers that don't support people to use the whole screen for their apps - i rarely see a blank workspace so why waste memory ;-) [14:46] muraii[]work, haha lol [14:46] mac has xterm believe it or not [14:46] i was VERY pleased with it when i tried it out (however, i still prefer slackware) [14:46] if there were no linux, i'd be a mac user [14:47] Seper (n=none@96.13.55.179) left ##slackware. [14:48] if there was no linux i'd use freebsd lol [14:49] mac, freebsd, same difference :D :P lol [14:49] yeah right [14:49] Darwin is not FreeBSD [14:49] grrr... tightVNC + fullscreen = suck [14:49] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [14:49] TwinReverb: My sentiments aren't terribly dissimilar. [14:50] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left ##slackware. [14:51] yeah mac is pretty nice, but not linux nice :) [14:51] UnixDawg (n=UnixDawg@24-197-207-168.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] here then, between OSX and any version of windows [14:51] what do you choose THEN [14:52] yeah that's what i though you'd choose! [14:52] windows [14:52] lol [14:52] windows mojave!! [14:52] hehe.. [14:52] DOS 6.22 [14:52] nullboy, oh, sorry, mac, freebsd, same difference [14:53] i would choose os x before windows [14:53] boy howdy [14:53] even if they magically came out with a win 3.11 that was fully 32 bit and hacker proof [14:53] Action: lw0x15 doesnt buy things cause they look nice.. [14:53] I'll tell you I wouldn't mind the kind of tight hardware/OS integration with a solid Linux distribution that OS X + Mac hardware has. [14:53] FREE TEH BSD [14:53] speak for yourself. i think xfce and gtk are sexy as heck [14:54] TwinReverb: and you are wrong... [14:54] heh [14:54] i had a mac but the LCD crapped out on me after 1.5 year [14:54] i love gnome but can't stand how buggy it is, so xfce is the DE for me :) [14:54] and the case cracked too [14:54] i was gentle with that thing, too.. [14:54] and i don't like how Nautilus behaves and how the panel plugins in gnome leave so much to be desired (imho) when compared to xfce-goodies [14:54] i have thunar and xfce customized to hell [14:54] and it's a nice hell [14:55] ... a hell to be proud of [14:55] lol [14:55] Action: hashed_ absolutely loves Xfce [14:55] it's like a hollywood oxymoron hellish paradise kind of hell [14:55] yeah xfce is the bomb [14:56] if any xfce programmer ever comes over to my house i'm buying pizza (or whatever food they like) and their favorite beer / alcohol [14:56] party on me [14:56] move to kde [14:56] i'd rather use gnome than kde [14:56] (and i don't prefer gnome) [14:56] i'd rather use twm than kde for a desktop [14:57] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] I like kde 3.5.10 over kde4.x [14:57] i use kde and fluxbox... according to my mood [14:57] kde 4.x is ugly [14:57] but i like kde's programs (kontact and ktorrent especially) [14:57] kssh [14:57] UnixDawg: I disagree wholeheartedly. [14:57] and i used to be all about koffice until openoffice finally came out with 3.0.0 and the slackbuild matured [14:58] now i'm all about openoffice [14:58] things change [14:58] Action: thrice` really likes koffice2 [14:58] kssh seems not to work on kde 4.x [14:58] i'll try it out when it comes out. i'm looking forward to it. [14:58] wich is one all I must have [14:58] kssh? ew. ssh ftw [14:59] kssh is just a gui front end [14:59] anyways, tonight i need to boot gparted and move around some partitions since i deleted 100gb windows xp partition on this laptop after purchase [14:59] gui front end for what? letters? [14:59] for ssh that allow you to store your connections [14:59] Action: TwinReverb uses rsync over ssh for his website and it works good [14:59] hum... ok, I use ~/.ssh/config ... [14:59] different approaches :p [15:00] ion3 can be nice too (tiling and tabbing x window manager) [15:00] i'm so used to minimal programs though with slackware and my old laptop that now that i have a new laptop i may play with kde a bit just because i can (tm) [15:00] well I am pulling the 12.2. dvd right now and am going to install on a p4 2.2 with a gig of ram [15:01] l33l (i=l33l@gateway/tor/x-0dd9e965b13e261a) joined ##slackware. [15:01] I like slackware because its close enough to bsd I can use it [15:01] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [15:01] slackware rules for non-bleeding-edge machines [15:01] Action: TwinReverb loves slackware to death [15:01] ZmoKus-Oposumas (n=karolis@77.90.74.237) left irc: "leaving" [15:01] how do i force fsck to verify all disks on next reboot? [15:02] <== been doing bsd for 20 + years and slack on and off over last 8 [15:03] UnixDawg: i am not even that old yet ;( [15:03] but now I need to grep linux better to help better bsd in many ways [15:03] < will be 40 in may [15:03] Old MAn [15:03] [ in bed ] [15:03] lol [15:04] monod (n=monod@125.167.79.141) joined ##slackware. [15:04] 40 min left onthe dvd [15:04] grrr tightVNC. where is the menu in fullscreen? [15:05] Nick change: clyphox|afk -> clyphox [15:06] how to PPPoE auto redial if my connection drops [15:06] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [15:06] tell ppp to be persistent [15:06] put the pppoe in the modem [15:07] and let it handle all the crap [15:07] tell it to try harder [15:07] unless your modem is to old and does not support it [15:07] im use slackware to dial [15:07] persist && holdoff VALUE_IN_SECONDS [15:08] Ask it kindly, and offer it snacks. [15:08] holdoff is how long it waits to re-initialize the connection [15:08] offer it a upgrade if it preforms better [15:09] stroke its cables and tell it its a good modem [15:09] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:09] probe its ports [15:09] finger its services [15:09] ok's [15:09] pop its packets [15:09] nullboy: I'd sniff the ports first. You just never know. [15:10] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:10] yeah [15:10] tewmten: meep! [15:10] is it normal that an AP changes channel from time to time? [15:10] macavity: absolutely not [15:11] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:11] nullboy: the "loaner" flipflops between channel 1 and 7 every so often [15:12] that's not normal [15:12] lol : http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-it-Windows-7-or-KDE-4-/0,139023769,339294810,00.htm [15:12] how do i force fsck to verify all disks on next reboot? [15:13] l33l: touch /etc/forcefsk will check the rootfs and you can manually check the rest [15:13] oops [15:13] touch /etc/forcefsck [15:13] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: "Leaving." [15:13] ok my dl crapped [15:13] so: touch /etc/forcefsck && reboot [15:13] touch /etc/fscknullboy [15:13] this bites [15:14] UnixDawg: Which dl? [15:14] the one i injected RSTs into [15:14] nullboy: cool thank you but why itnt is documented anywhere? [15:14] l33l: it is [15:14] slack 12.2 [15:14] dvd [15:14] grep forcefsck /etc/rc.d/* [15:14] nullboy: where? [15:15] UnixDawg: Are you using wget ? [15:16] acidchild: OI [15:16] acidchild: ez geezer [15:16] I am now [15:16] pedro__ (n=pedro@201-40-162-47.cable.viacabocom.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [15:17] Nick change: anti-panzer -> lee555J5 [15:18] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] wget -c loves you. =) [15:19] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [15:20] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-216.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: "leaving" [15:22] freegode (n=chatzill@nat/ibm/x-65dbda20368573cd) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]" [15:22] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008244122.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Why was there never a FF 2.1.x.x? [15:22] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-9-104.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] ok [15:23] bbiab [15:23] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] Camarade_Tux: zomg, that is damn funny :P [15:24] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-9-104.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Why, why, why was I programmed to feel pain? [15:27] beacuse otherwise you would have not survived childhood? [15:27] because the lords of cobal said you should feel what you inflict on others [15:28] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:29] tewmten: hehe [15:30] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [15:30] wzup? [15:30] some morons account got hacked. [15:30] because of some pathetic weak password. [15:31] Hey, my password wasn't that bad. [15:31] rly [15:31] hi [15:31] lulz.. passwords [15:31] i just keep a list of passwords on a post-it under my keyboard [15:31] acidchild: How did you know my password was rly?! [15:31] not my passwords of course [15:32] my co-workers password [15:32] I pick a word, then hand calculate an md5sum of the word [15:32] :P [15:32] Then use the md5 as my password. [15:32] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] i just use pwgen [15:32] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008244122.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:32] v4nelle (n=van@adsl54-144.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:32] haha yeah when i was working at an atcc me and my colleagues were driving people insane [15:32] nullboy: Way to take the easy way out, wimp. [15:33] What does the 'rc' stand for in filenames like '.bashrc'? [15:33] 48 characters alphanumeric + special characters passwords [15:33] hrhrhr [15:33] i take a line or verse from a song, then i take the first letter of each word [15:33] qb$f.A{wEb4X)Rwo9!4gyAw[>'+ftvpH_r!ntT&X!vu$Hqkxz\'P*7kT{RAX9]+ [15:33] kamaji: runtime configuration [15:33] and they were not allowed to write them down! [15:33] HA [15:33] i use things like that for my wifi passphrases [15:33] macavity: ah! thanks :3 [15:33] macavity: I usually do something similar. A phrase or quote I enjoy, then use the initials of it translated into l33tSP33k [15:34] kamaji: which actually makes sense only to people who know that there also exists compiletime configuration :P [15:34] kamaji: hence the push to switch to .conf instead [15:36] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] macavity: I was not aware of this push :P [15:37] anyone know of a good alternative to tightVNC (nearly) as quick? [15:37] kamaji: find / -name *.conf && find / -name *rc [15:38] durge (n=admin@87.121.96.142) joined ##slackware. [15:38] kamaji: you will see that it is only really old core POSIX defined apps who are still called *rc [15:38] vodka + tekno [15:38] weeee [15:39] kamaji: errr.. whos config files are still calle *rc [15:39] acidchild: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0uf9Z2JFbE [15:39] kamaji: actually, esr says it means "run commands" but there is debate [15:39] so it's one of those 'lost in the mists of time' acronyms, is it? [15:40] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] oops, s/kamaji/macavity/ [15:40] kamaji: yep [15:40] Is the kernel sticking with rc.* ? I assume that's the same acronym [15:40] what? [15:40] the kernel has nothing to do with that [15:40] those are the scripts known to init [15:41] tewmten: the first 5 seconds of that youtube link had me reaching for a gun [15:41] and where the locations are is described in inittab [15:41] oh.... I didn't know that, I actually thought they were built into the kernel [15:41] I was thinking that was a bit lame ^^ [15:41] thus you could have your startup dir in /startup/fubar/hidden/.reallyhiden/run-this-first.py [15:42] kamaji: if no arguments is given to the kernel, it will automatically run /sbin/init as soon as it has mounted / read-only [15:42] hashed_: obviously you need moar voda [15:42] presumably init is the process which reads inittab and executes all those scripts? [15:42] vodka [15:43] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] slakmagik: Runtime Configuration makes a whole lot more sense than run commands. [15:43] kamaji: but you can just hit Tab in lilo to get a boot prompt and pass init=/bin/bash to the kernel, and it will dump you straight in a single user root shell [15:43] slakmagik: Though, who am I to argue with the mighty esr? [15:43] macavity: wat. [15:43] tewmten: more green [15:43] =P [15:44] I really wish i'd known that a couple months ago :P [15:44] eviljames: yeah, I agree,but it's supposedly from an old utility called runcom and I think esr gets his story from Kernighan or Pike or somebody like [15:44] kamaji: ;-) [15:44] slakmagik: Oh, that makes sense. [15:44] wooot! got my first NXT program on the robot ^_^ [15:45] durge (n=admin@87.121.96.142) left irc: [15:45] kamaji: if you dont have a password on lilo, and bios, and have boot-order-menu disabled, AND have a locker on the case, physical acces to the machine == no security [15:45] s/locker/pad lock/ [15:46] macavity: oh crap :| [15:46] macavity: and there was me thinking I had security [15:46] that's gonna need some changing [15:46] kamaji: uhm.. and make sure it has no firewire port either [15:46] oh god [15:46] why [15:46] Action: kamaji cries [15:46] because firwire == instacrack [15:46] hang on.. let me find you the link [15:46] wow - on a hunch I went and looked up wikipedia and they even have an article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_Commands [15:47] macavity: cheers [15:47] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.95.196.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] kamaji: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/physical-memory-attacks-via-firewire-dma-part-1-overview-and-mitigation [15:50] holy fuck [15:50] what the hell? [15:50] that is both awesome and terrible at the same time [15:50] physical access means pwned regardless of DMA [15:50] .... [15:50] slakmagik: i stand corrected [15:51] it doesn't require some DMA firewire hack to own a system physically [15:51] nullboy: ok let's say bios, bootloader, and system are passworded [15:51] nullboy: a padlock can be clipped yes.. but.. [15:51] nullboy: and case is unopenable [15:51] it's really easy, you walk over to it and pull the plug [15:51] that's not exactly gaining access, as such :P [15:51] sure it is [15:51] it is? [15:51] take out the CMOS batery, count to 20 and put it back in [15:51] no case access [15:52] kamaji: no case access but access to the firewire port? [15:52] yeah ok [15:52] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [15:52] but yeah, if you can open it, it's gone [15:52] if you can open it you can boot what media you want [15:52] then there is only LUKS / left :P [15:52] that does tend to put an effective stop to it [15:53] i use twofish on my / [15:53] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) joined ##slackware. [15:53] I don't use any, oh god... [15:53] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:53] I am so glad you told me this :| [15:53] I also need a firewire adapter [15:53] wow [15:53] seriously, any physical access means owned [15:53] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) joined ##slackware. [15:53] you don't need DMA access to take down a system [15:54] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:54] no, a stick of dynamite will do that [15:54] nullboy: well assuming you can't/don't want to open the case [15:54] it's not still true, is it? [15:54] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:54] kamaji: again...how would you use firewire if you don't have access to the case? [15:54] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) joined ##slackware. [15:54] nullboy: no, just don't want to open the case [15:54] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:54] nullboy: we have rigs like that at a the cafe [15:55] macavity: then you are granted physical access.... [15:55] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) joined ##slackware. [15:55] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:55] if i can touch the case or even any input devices i will find a way [15:55] it's that simple [15:55] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [15:55] nullboy: that is, the cases are bolted to the desk with a brace that needs tools that makes noise that *will* case admins to come running with their true blue keyboards, ready to cave some heads in [15:55] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) joined ##slackware. [15:56] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:56] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [15:56] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.64.32.224) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:56] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@92.250.0.6) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.64.42.76) joined ##slackware. [15:56] I think some places alarm cases too. Plus it's just so.... dull :P [15:57] if you cant fiddle the boot order, and you cant tamper with lilo, and / is encrypted.. what are you going to do? [15:57] macavity: (you mean sans firewire?) [15:57] power it off to cause a DoS [15:57] that's owning it my my book... [15:57] in* [15:57] Encrypted / won't help against the firewire exploit :P [15:58] yeah, cause DMA memory access, true [15:58] that is so awesome [15:58] the encrypted / is just to prevent someone from gaining access with a power off [15:58] now how do I render my firewire port nonfunctional? [15:58] nullboy: in that case you just need access to the city block [15:58] stab it [15:58] nullboy: ... and be willing to cause enough damage [15:58] Firewire->mains cable :D [15:58] nullboy: in fact, i would say that you just need access to the city :P [15:59] maybe I want teh rest of my PC intact though :\ [15:59] you don't need the city block, you just need the facility's power meter [15:59] that could be locked in [15:59] then shoot the phone lines [15:59] but what i implicitly meant was access to workstations [15:59] I seriously do not believe this shit, who _designed_ firewire? [15:59] and data security on those [16:00] kamaji: Apple [16:00] macavity: BUT MACS ARE COMPLETELY SECURE LOL? [16:00] what? [16:00] since when? [16:00] er [16:00] kinda going for sarcasm [16:00] :P [16:00] :| [16:00] heheh [16:01] kamaji: its not so long ago that the MacOS wifi stack was cracked [16:01] lets see...apple had a little issue, along with everyone else, with wifi drivers [16:01] apple designed firewire?? neat trivia [16:01] macavity: damn you [16:01] oh boy, i'm going to have fun with this firewire thingy [16:01] hang on, by cracked [16:01] you mean it's exploitable by other wifi nodes? [16:01] s/nodes/cards [16:01] ... [16:01] what..... [16:01] it was an all out driver exploit [16:02] Action: kamaji is slow, you will have to explain :3 [16:02] and very well publicized too [16:02] huh... completely missed it [16:02] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [16:03] aw nuts, my laptop doesn't have a firewire cable [16:03] port* [16:04] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] monod (n=monod@125.167.79.141) left irc: [16:04] Where should I look to find out how to make terminal emulators use the --login option for bash? [16:04] Google isn't really helping at this point. [16:05] sajes: that differs for each terminal emulator [16:05] sajes: konsole -i [16:05] macavity: Well, I use xrvt mainly, but once in a while also xterm. [16:05] s/xrvt/rxvt/ [16:05] sajes: i use another method though.. since i always want login terminals i ln -s .bashrc .profile [16:05] sajes: rxvt would be '-e "bash --login"' wouldn't it? [16:06] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:06] Kerio2004 (n=Port@77.64.42.76) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:06] '.Xdefaults:XTerm*loginShell: true' ? [16:06] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:06] wow.. someone knows is X shit right down to an arc :P [16:07] *his [16:07] *shizzle [16:07] Thanks. :) [16:07] Worked with Rxvt*loginShell: true aswell. [16:08] I tracked that down early last year, and by some stroke of fortune remembered enough to 'grep login ~/.*' [16:08] xfce fans (interview) http://www.slashgear.com/xfce-creator-talks-linux-moblin-netbooks-and-open-source-0633329/ [16:09] "'Cause I'm a cult of personality..." [16:09] Kerio2004 (n=Port@78.93.71.103) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Nick change: pi31415 -> quadAtn1 [16:11] ok, time for some burgarz! [16:12] twodoubblewoppersnonotcheesethxbutholdtheonionsandtomatoeskkthxbai [16:12] macavity: I'd pay to hear someone do that to a burger king employee. [16:13] you want me to reccord it? [16:13] i'll do it right now and record video, you can paypal me [16:13] 50 bucks [16:13] nullboy: I was thinking more like 50 cents. [16:13] For 50 bucks, I'll do it to every restaurant in town. [16:13] that doesnt even pay for a burger [16:14] a doubble whopper costs some 8 dollars here [16:14] O.o [16:14] jkwood> O.o <---pigin! [16:14] If I was rich enough to give $50 out to people, I'd donate the money to the FSF. :o [16:14] sajes: that's my boy! :-) [16:15] fund the funny farm [16:15] sajes: are you an associate member? [16:15] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> FSF [16:15] sajes, can I haz the money ? =D [16:15] Nick change: FSF -> Camarade_Tux [16:15] Nah, I'm still job hunting. But I'll donate when I find one. [16:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Action: macavity the proud FSF associate member #3423 [16:16] macavity is our local FSF zealot. [16:17] Good to know. ;D [16:17] For some reason, lately, when my computer suspends and then wakes up the clock is behind. any ideas? [16:17] FSF can die for all I care [16:17] and i am *bloody* good at it :-) [16:17] hiptobecubic: it sleeps a little *too* hard? [16:18] Old_Fogie: thanks for the interesting article. [16:18] :) [16:19] straterra: you are aware that it was the FSF that convinced Sun to free Java, right? [16:19] Yet something else I don't care about :) [16:19] Java can remain closed source too [16:19] hashed_, yea he's got an acer apsire one netbook. so good to know for me, we bought 10 of them so good to know they're being tested with xfce :) [16:20] oh, so only the stuff you care about needs to be free? :P [16:20] Action: sajes smells troll. [16:20] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [16:20] I don't care if everything was closed source, tbh [16:20] As long as it works [16:20] dont you run gentoo? [16:20] Yes [16:20] lol [16:20] i rest my case [16:20] Hah. The irony. [16:20] There isn't irony there [16:21] You run a source-based distribution. [16:21] sajes: news flash..all distros are source based [16:21] anyhows.. time to swallow 'em burgarz [16:21] Pat doesn't magically conjure up binaries [16:21] Action: hashed_ gets the popcorn.. [16:21] I run Gentoo because of its flexibility and large repos [16:22] Running Gentoo has nothing to do with my caring if things are open source or not [16:22] straterra: No, but you compile your own binaries with portage. [16:22] "She's got huge... tracts of land!" [16:22] Not all the time [16:22] straterra, I like their docs, and taht they are bleeding edge, I get a lot of *.patch(s) from them. [16:22] I was pretty impressed with Sabayon [16:22] Sure, not all the time, but if you're using precompiled binaries on Gentoo, you're doing it wrong in the first place. [16:23] still nothing like slackware though :) [16:23] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:23] sajes: wrong [16:23] Nothing in Gentoo says you have to compile everything [16:23] Infact, the recommended install is from a precompiled toolchain [16:23] No, but if you're using a precompiled binary, you didn't choose what is compiled in it. Gentoo is meant for that flexibility. Don't want X? -X in your global useflags. [16:24] straterra, actually come to think of it, many of the bugs they squash (appear at least) with a reverse depends rebuild; which is something I think is really good, wished more distro's did that and found breakage sooner than later. [16:24] sajes: I think you're mistaking the common usage paradigm with total usage paradigm. [16:24] I, personally, love the flexibility and control I have with Slackware. [16:25] But, I'm setting up a Slackware install for a close friend of mine, and doing everything possible to make it easy for her to use. [16:25] Action: sajes kicked Debian off his hard drive a couple days ago. [16:25] She just wants an OS that will not crash on her all the time, or various other things. [16:25] sajes, which debain [16:25] Old_Fogie: Lenny. [16:25] sajes, oh yea? why just wondering [16:25] I could just slap Kubuntu on there, but I'd rather set it up right and watch it sail smoothly. [16:26] Etch was too 'old', and sid had KDE4. [16:26] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Old_Fogie: I removed it because it kept randomly locking up and leaving nothing in the logs. Then when I asked in #debian, they told me to buy a new motherboard. ;) [16:26] sajes, ah I see. yeah makes sense then (except etch old to me, but depends on the needs). Lenny's doing great in my testing, but printing is broken I find. [16:27] sajes, omg a new mobo? wth [16:27] so does slackware 12.2 give you the option for kde 3.5.10 and 4.x for install [16:27] random lockups are either kernel..or hardware [16:27] UnixDawg, no [16:27] UnixDawg: 4.x isn't included in 12.2 at all. [16:28] When Pat puts it in, it will be the KDE offering. [16:28] UnixDawg, 3.5.10 is in 12.2 and kde 4.x is in --current (but will still run in 12.2 but you *must* read the readme's in the tree there for kde4x [16:28] straterra: It's not hardware, because slackware is doing just fine on the same machine. [16:28] But, you can get the KDE4.2 packages from -current and they will work for 12.2 [16:28] That doesn't mean its not hardware [16:28] At which point, I'm sure that somebody will maintain builds of KDE 3.5.10. [16:28] It could very well be intermittently bad hardware that their kernel triggers [16:28] I'm no kde as desktop fan , but 3.5.10 is rock solid fwiw. [16:28] Not very likely, but still possible [16:28] best release they made I think [16:29] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] Can anyone recommend any good embedded linux boards? [16:29] kamaji: soekris machines works well [16:29] straterra: will have a look, thanks [16:29] Old_Fogie: actually, I liked 3.5.7 better....some bugs where introced later. And not yet fixed I think [16:29] Well, I was getting annoyed by Debian's codefreeze policy anyways. It wasn't the "No new packages" that pissed me off. It was the "We aren't going to fix this package because we'd have to introduce a new package to fix it." thing. [16:29] There was one I was looking at a while back for about $150 dollars that could apparently handle H.261, but I can't remember what it was [16:30] maybe an ION platform [16:30] pprkut, ah ok. yea we don't really use kde as desktop so I didnt notice. tho, I cam to use Slack around them days, may have been a reason I went the xfce for me route, and gnome for the wife. [16:31] pprkut, I do find that 3.5.10 doesnt feel as bloated as it did to me before, it runs as fast as xfce here. its' quite shocking. [16:32] Old_Fogie: honestly, before I'd go with gnome or xfce I would most likely use fluxbox, maybe e17 [16:32] pprkut, that's fair statement. you either like gtk look or dont /me thinks [16:33] pprkut, e17 is fast tho [16:33] yap. I have yet to find a gtk theme that makes me like it [16:33] Action: Old_Fogie wishes enlightenment would fix their outstanding CVE in imlib2 already, it's been a while. [16:34] openmoko has started using e17 as there main desktop and toolkit. [16:34] gtk just didnt cut it. [16:35] pprkut, the gnome 2.22.X and higher and slackware's hicolor icon theme, and gnome theme and icon utils are high enough now in revision that you can use the "kde" icons, like crystal for example. So right now, I'm in gnome , and using KDE's crystal icons theme. And I tell you, it looks pretty darn good. I always liked the kde crystal theme. The icons are very relavant to the document, or device I found. [16:35] Can someone help me understand what's going on with terminal? I have some strange button bindings or who knows what's going on. For example, if I start screen, then backspace doesn't work. If I ssh to my school's server (unix) and use vim, a lot of keys change. Up arrow prints "A", [end] prints F. etc [16:36] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:36] Old_Fogie: I like crystalsvg too, though I tend to like oxygen more these days [16:37] pprkut, my point being , it seems the lines between kde looking out of place on gnome, or vice versa seems to be a lot less now a days with Slack. The apps look consistent. which is good. [16:37] pprkut, yea they're pretty [16:38] Old_Fogie: my impression is, that kde/qt are doing a lot of work to integrate into gnome/gtk, but there's almost no work the other way around [16:39] l33l (i=l33l@gateway/tor/x-0dd9e965b13e261a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] pprkut, yea kde's picking up some traditionally gtk stuff for sure. gstreamers, the postscript engines, etc. seems gnome's more geared to get on .NET so they can eventually run native in Windows then linux *cough* [16:41] I just can't get over how fast KDE dev's worked in just a year, mind boggling. [16:41] What's the head count of KDE dev's vs gnome dev's anyone know? [16:42] i'd say increasing vs. decreasing (guess) [16:42] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] pprkut, so have you made your transition to 12.2 yet? [16:44] yep. but still no new notebook and no kde4 yet [16:45] =( [16:45] I basically had a day to switch from 12.1 to 12.2. No time to get kde4 going. And I need a working desktop for now [16:45] pprkut, I'm reading the kde4 stuff (little by little) that alien did there, I already know that I'm going to have to rebuild some stuff. Hopefully, I'll have it running soon. [16:47] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-133-161.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:47] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:48] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Old_Fogie: makign the switch? :) [16:48] thrice`, for my "Old_Fogie unstable branch" yes :) [16:49] thrice`, I do have family asking for it [16:49] kde-3.5.x is plenty good [16:49] 3.5 sucks after using 4.x for awhile [16:49] hmm, i thought just the opposite [16:50] thrice`, but I can't just use the installer for kde4, I have different gstreamers, gconf, postscript, ghostscript, blah blah...so I'd like it all the be "clean" that way. [16:50] 3.5 sucks after looking at 4.x screenshots for...a few seconds [16:50] is kde-4.x that good? thrice`? [16:50] thrice`: I'm with you 100% on that one, buddy. [16:50] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:50] pprkut, I have to find more themes for kde4 (as is is ugly to me) but I've seen some real beautiful themes at kde-looks site [16:50] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] no hurry here, i will switch to kde-4.x when it is included in a standard slackware install [16:51] skibur (i=1000@12.197.206.165) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] Pig_Pen, that's fair in my book [16:51] Old_Fogie: it's all about the looks ;) [16:51] same here [16:51] pprkut, yes I'm not "big" on the round buttons deal [16:51] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [16:51] the min,max,close [16:52] Tho, for me, I'll probably use a redmond-95 look, heh [16:52] Old_Fogie: I always switch back to plastic windeco [16:52] Nick change: hd -> HellDragon [16:52] skibur (i=1000@12.197.206.165) joined ##slackware. [16:53] I do like that they took some inspiration from conky to bring data to the desktop, the rss feeds plasma thing looks neat [16:53] Old_Fogie: Hmm. That *does* sound neet. Conky can do this already, right? [16:53] I can't wait to see if I can get a Slackware changelog on the desktop there, that'd be pretty neat [16:54] Action: muraii[]work nods. [16:54] muraii[]work, "inspiration" that I said was just showing data on desktop, no conky doesnt that I'm aware of [16:54] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] Old_Fogie: http://dev.slackware.it/rss/snap_slackware-current.xml [16:54] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [16:55] thrice`, ooh nice [16:55] Yea, I wonder if they're going to have stock tickers for a plasmoid, that'd be really neat. the kticker didn't strok my fancy [16:59] welp pizza & wings are here, bbiab [16:59] Action: eviljames is jealous of Old_Fogie [16:59] moo, haha :) [17:01] spockygirl (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-5bb932658c614a2a) joined ##slackware. [17:02] fe [17:02] Karu (n=alch@78-28-81-234.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:03] Nick change: spockygirl -> drugdealerontor [17:03] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008244122.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:03] need help listing process in bash [17:03] ps ax ? [17:03] jkwood maybe you can just tell me if my sysadmin can spy on my screen sessions [17:04] drugdealerontor: /proc !? [17:04] what will that do to me ? [17:04] drugdealerontor: screen -x !? [17:04] yeah he could just do that :P [17:05] but i would much like to know WHEN he does it [17:05] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.79) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Action: drugdealerontor scans the proclist [17:06] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:08] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] ok im getting this /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.8' not found (required by /lib64/libselinux.so.1) [17:08] but /lib64/libc.so.6 is obviously right there [17:08] i already have it [17:08] wtf?? [17:09] SM177Y: mixing fedora and slackware? [17:09] no [17:09] Lots of library issues this week. [17:09] hmm [17:09] hi all [17:09] :) [17:09] The /lib64/libselinux.so.1 ... (1) Slackware does not have lib64 (2) Slackware does not use selinux [17:10] Hi there gar0t0 [17:10] i know. its slamd64 but no ones responding in there right now [17:10] lol [17:10] SM177Y: are you sure you're in the right channel? [17:10] OK. [17:10] i know what channel im in lol [17:10] slamd64 !=slackware [17:10] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:10] every time..... [17:10] alienBOB: good ? [17:11] Why don't you run a distro with decent community support... [17:11] gar0t0: good :-) [17:11] im sorry that i like to get the real performance out of my os that my computer is capable of [17:12] if slackware wasnt only 32 bit i would gladly run it [17:12] SM177Y: you use your computer for .. ? [17:12] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Action: lw0x15_ has amd64 still runs slack [17:12] gar0t0: everything.... [17:12] cant see any problems ;P [17:12] lw0x15_ 32bit compatibility ? [17:12] slamd64 is so much faster than slackware tho. hands down. no doubt about it [17:13] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] alienBOB: =( [17:13] SM177Y: in my mind you dont "get" more performance using 64bits distro [17:13] ya [17:13] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:13] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [17:13] gar0t0: HA! u obviously havent ran one :P [17:13] as long as u have the 64 bit apps to get the performance its capable of then hell yes its way faster [17:14] SM177Y: Yes, I use RH 64bits, I cant see the diference [17:14] hmm in that 64bit can access large memory areas faster... but that's all right? (someone correct me if i'm wrong) [17:15] but, I dont discuss about it, I dont have one box 64bits [17:15] SM177Y: sorry my english ok? :D [17:15] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] gar0t0: u prolly dont even have a good enough system to tell the difference :P or ur not using 64 bit applications [17:15] 64bit must be faster. doesn't anyone remember when N64 came out? [17:15] I think you are doing great gar0t0 [17:15] bc if u were, u wouldnt even have to attempt to argue [17:16] gar0t0, do you not usually speak english? I wish my french were as good as your english. [17:16] alienBOB: thanks [17:16] 64bit is faster in some respect - but not _much_ faster [17:16] SM177Y: but why is 64bit faster than 32? memory access only or is there anything else? [17:16] hiptobecubic: no, Im learning [17:16] Computational apps will benefit from a 64bit OS [17:16] gar0t0, what is your native? [17:16] 64 > 32 [17:16] hiptobecubic: portugues [17:16] ok [17:17] hiptobecubic: im from Brazil [17:17] SM177Y: is true [17:17] P4C0: 64 bit applications are definately faster, boot times are better, multitasking is better. all because ur cpu is working to its full potential and what it was made to do [17:17] there's lots of slacwkare users in brazil... wonder why [17:17] Brazilians know what's best for them [17:17] Action: jkwood tries to remember who it was that got SELinux going in Slackware [17:18] it seems so [17:18] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] I have some brazilian friends here. Brazilian portugues > Portuguese portuguese :D [17:18] 64bit is by far better than 32 bit on everything except for compatibility. [17:18] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [17:18] xeon: EXACTLY [17:18] SM177Y: yes, but I mean the only thing that I have heard about is faster access to large areas of memory (because it can address them directly) and I supposed that improves everything else (like boot times)... multithreating is another thing thro [17:19] Also, with alot of operating systems 32bit limits the capabilities of the pc, for example, RAM [17:19] xeon: true [17:19] 32bit OS's read 3gb when you have 4. 64bit reads 4gb+ [17:20] PAE works fine for the majority [17:20] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:20] ... [17:20] 64 bit will read 128GB if u got it :P [17:20] i see a whole lot of FUD right now [17:20] FUD? [17:20] hiptobecubic: brazilians are good ppl : [17:20] Yeah. And you... have that much RAM SM177Y? [17:20] :) [17:20] Now go back to #slamd64 and get your library problem solved [17:20] lol [17:21] I'm asking because I'm thinking on getting a desktop... but I think i will stick with 32... at least for a while [17:21] Or install Slackware [17:21] P4C0, the world of torrents await you... also slackware [17:22] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:22] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:22] anyone know a php front end for 'tc'? [17:22] xeon: yup slackware or freebsd, problem with freebsd is that i may not get my webcam working... i'll have to give it a try [17:23] wifi support is better with Linux than it is with the *BSDs [17:24] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.48.119) joined ##slackware. [17:24] tricqster (n=knao@adsl-dyn60.78-98-220.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:24] yup, *bsds may need a little more or time to get to the desktop level of linux... but i think it's not a os focused on that to start with... which is cool too [17:25] Pyrepenol (n=Pyrepeno@ip70-161-206-35.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] noobfarm.org rating system updated [17:25] it will no longer redirect you on a vote.. it does it "on-the-fly" now [17:26] WITHOUT refreshing the page [17:26] have fun [17:26] mbhayes: wooo nice [17:26] lw0x15_: I've pushed the changes to the GIT repo btw [17:26] okies [17:26] Action: lw0x15_ goes to update [17:26] Going to work on pagination this weekend.. I thnk I have a nice ajax plugin that is going to work nicely [17:29] mbhayes: write me a php front end to 'tc' [17:30] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:30] acidchild: ha! yeah right [17:30] back later guys! 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[18:00] Hello [18:00] quadAtn1 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [18:00] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:01] is there a smaller installation disk for slackware [18:01] like a live cd? [18:02] xeon (n=Hypersta@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] Runpain2_: no. Although you can use a USB stick to boot from [18:02] Iwould like to try it first on my Laptop before i install it [18:02] install it in a vm? [18:02] Runpain2_, you can avoid downloading the whole thing if you so chose? There isn't a "test me out" feature as far as i know. [18:03] which disk can i down load [18:03] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] skibur (i=1000@12.197.206.165) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] greetings and salutations [18:03] i like kde desktop [18:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-143.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:04] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Runpain2_: for KDE you need disk 1,2 and 3. [18:04] kk [18:05] or if you have the bandwidth to spare and the time .. just download the whole dvd ;) [18:05] will download those to night i hope [18:05] hi [18:05] if i down load one at a time it should go quicker [18:06] dvd to long [18:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.230) left irc: [18:06] what are the download links anyway [18:06] slackware.com/getslack [18:07] salutations ruben23 [18:07] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] i have done full refreshes on 10 windows XP systems in the last month [18:10] nullboy: bummer :( [18:10] i'm starting have a pretty nice collection of manufacturer drivers for random models though [18:13] nullboy: I've done 2 XP installs my self in the last couple weeks, and have since convinced both of them to run slackware. :) [18:13] i wish i could convert these people but it's just not doable [18:13] Runpain2_ (n=Runpain2@adsl-75-23-45-168.dsl.lgvwtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] you win some, you lose some. [18:15] i do install loads of free software though [18:15] oo.o, VLC, mplayer, openarena, ff [18:15] pidgin too [18:15] I have to have a file uploaded to a server by sunday midnight... but i have write permission on the file of course... and could just touch it... no? [18:15] hmm, i need more beer. i read that as pidgin poo :| [18:16] lol [18:16] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] hiptobecubic: more details pls? [18:16] pidgin crashes too often for me. [18:16] clyphox, such as? [18:16] setup my pidgin today, facebook, xfire, msn, aim, yahoo, gmail all them... just shit for irc [18:17] install the plugin pack [18:17] hiptobecubic: " but i have write permission on the file of course... and could just touch it... no?" [18:17] it fixes the IRC suckage [18:17] what does that mean in english? [18:17] facebook + pidgin = segfault mania [18:17] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] nah i like my irc (screen+irssi) [18:17] and no facebook segfaults for months now btw [18:17] hashed_ (n=hashed@24.248.222.212) left ##slackware. [18:17] so then pidgin's isn't a problem [18:17] I was using pidgen/msn to talk to family, and kept getting messages from other people?! I switched to amsn, and the bitlbee. [18:18] If i have write permission on the file (which I clearly do, as i'll be the one uploading it), what stops me from finishing on say, monday at 1am and using touch to change the timestamp? [18:18] /s/the/then [18:18] chopp, botsentry [18:18] hiptobecubic: touch will work provided u have rights yes [18:18] hiptobecubic: and the filesystem is RW etc ;) [18:18] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [18:19] clyphox, is there some kind of touch history? I suppose if he really tried, the admin could look at my command history or something? [18:19] hiptobecubic: touch is just a cmd, your shell probably logs.. assuming its bash ~/.bash_history [18:19] wait man [18:20] what are you doing that requires walking a fine line of sketchiness? [18:20] well put [18:20] etch-a-sketch ftw !! [18:20] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] nullboy, nothing yet. I'm just curious as to whether or not my cpp professor left a giant hole in his deadline policy. [18:21] Would the filesystem journal keep a record of that? [18:21] skibur (i=1000@12.197.206.165) joined ##slackware. [18:21] The timestamp update, that is. [18:22] all files have timestamps [18:22] mod+creation stamps iirc [18:22] Frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:22] i think it's mod+access [18:22] hiptobecubic: No, it's mod+creation [18:22] oh ok [18:23] Action: Necos prods nullboy randomly [18:23] i was planning on setting all my files to 23:59:98 or :99 all semester and see if he says anything [18:24] That's not a bad idea [18:24] Unless he simply says : "I see time stamp buggery. You fail." [18:24] hahaha [18:24] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [18:24] i don't get the issue lol [18:24] i get it [18:24] and it's hilarious [18:25] Action: clyphox shrufs [18:25] "my my hiptobecubic, you really cut it close each time" [18:25] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] i've cleaned up some messups in my sysadmin days before lol [18:25] but had the determination to learn how by reading admitadly :) [18:25] you can set the stamp to the future right? [18:25] :D [18:26] sure [18:28] hmmm, you could do some really fun stuff with timestamps in linux [18:28] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:28] off for a bit -> bye [18:28] not just linux, try it on solaris lol [18:28] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [18:28] see ya hiptobecubic [18:29] never mucked with solaris... [18:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Necos: You should, it's good. [18:30] sounds like a vmware project [18:30] Necos: But be prepared to spend weeks reading, because it is most decidedly *not* Linux. [18:30] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:30] solaris... kinda like slackware with rusty whistles and some weird pathnames [18:31] lol [18:32] clyphox: hah, hardly. [18:32] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] it's very strange how slack used to be so different from all other distros in that it used bsd-style rc scripts... and now in 12.x, it has both... [18:32] eviljames: its true lol [18:32] clyphox: If Slackware is "as user friendly as a rattlesnake" then Solaris is as user-friendly as a black hole. [18:32] LOL [18:33] Action: eviljames admins solaris btw [18:33] well solaris aint that bad actually [18:33] heh [18:33] wow... [18:33] Action: andarius defies gravit and snakes :P [18:33] Action: Necos tosses a black hole snake at andarius [18:34] i moved from slack to sol in a few weeks... all i took from years of admin was sysstat... <3 it :) [18:34] andarius: for my curiosity is it sol, osol? [18:34] huh [18:34] open solaris? [18:35] Necos: yep. OpenSolaris. Very, very nice, imho. [18:35] neither, i was refering to the real thing :P [18:35] lol [18:35] OpenSewer FTL! [18:35] whats the most hardcore unix OS there is ? [18:35] lol [18:35] what's so special about solaris? [18:35] aix? [18:36] corporate ppl like solaris, drpcs n jargon [18:36] mentality that if u pay for it its better ppl [18:36] Necos: It is different. [18:36] clyphox: And it's free, dude. [18:36] open sol sure [18:36] clyphox: that made no sense >.> [18:36] That's like asking "What's so special about BSD?" Well, what's so special about Linux? [18:37] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-5bb932658c614a2a) left irc: Killed by a2 () [18:37] Nothing, they're all tools. It's the use of those tools that is special. We're all special [18:37] Action: eviljames passes out evilhugs [18:37] aye, like just trying to compare BSDs is hard [18:37] all have things they're good at [18:37] i just happen to pick up linux first... since it was the only free alternative readily available at the time [18:37] BSD was just too damn hard to get running on my boxen lol [18:38] yeah its not a market killer (in that sense) for no reason [18:38] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [18:38] bsd rocks, admitadly first installs do cain, u gotta get yer head round slices inside partitions and stuff [18:38] what is not a market killer? solaris? [18:39] clyphox: If one thing in particular about freebsd makes me happy it's the ports system. [18:39] freebsd in the pre-4 stages was just way too complicated to install [18:40] whereas linux had a smaller learning curve (albeit still high) [18:40] welll solaris is moving towards oss now, cause they're realised their sparc+old skool kernels can't rlly hack the install-on-any-box market [18:40] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-2fb19737044ab57e) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [18:40] eviljames: i perfer pkgsrc admitadly, but i'm weird i use it on all my servers, regardless of os :/ [18:40] never liked freebsd, if i desktop i linux in the end [18:40] well, sparc was f'in-overpriced... [18:41] amen [18:41] had some damn cool stuff [18:41] Bah, you've been ruined by consumer mentality! both of you! [18:41] heh [18:41] they gave us things like the openbootprompt on apples now [18:41] "Everything needs to be cheap and expendable!" [18:41] no, i work for a high school... it's more like "we had no budget for that shit" [18:41] i'm on a 1.6gz 512mb computer dude :p [18:42] That's even more annoying! [18:42] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-2fb19737044ab57e) left irc: Killed by a2 () [18:42] Hmmm netbook clyphox? [18:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:42] nah, just old kit [18:42] put my money into colos n stuff [18:43] why colos? [18:43] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [18:43] cause i'm a sysadmin [18:44] all i need is a command line and firefox rly [18:44] and xorg [18:44] ... [18:44] :P [18:44] ohh and storage :) [18:44] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] that doesn't make much sense, unless you're a content host / provider >.> [18:44] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-ee6692054749c8ba) joined ##slackware. [18:45] when is slackware going to get a ports tree [18:45] like bsd [18:45] UnixDawg: Hopefully never. [18:45] when you make one yourself =p [18:45] well i don't have that much money, a few servers for what i need -fin [18:45] Action: eviljames is conservative in that regard [18:45] never [18:45] I'm pretty sure somebody ported portage to Slackware a while back. [18:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] slackware is the last bastian against user idiocy [18:46] ports is a cool idea... [18:46] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] but look at how gentoo fucked that up [18:46] then install your own ports [18:46] UnixDawg: I would like slackware to remain very much as it is. If people want an 'easier' install/admin they should investigate other distros. [18:46] thats slackware.. i does the job.. u do the rest [18:47] Action: clyphox agrees with eviljames [18:47] greenshoe (i=justinh@sdf-eu.org) joined ##slackware. [18:47] slackware is like the only distro that has stayed hmmm... unix"y" [18:47] good thing you quoted 'easier', because trying to admin a fedora or ubuntu box is just downright f'in annoying [18:47] (whats the word?) [18:47] I love UNIX-y. [18:47] I used to be of the opinion that you shouldn't really run Linux unless you knew how to install, properly configure and administer a Slackware system. Not anymore at all. I just tell people to either learn Slackware or download Ubuntu. [18:47] Evening( morning or afternoon),people... [18:48] MLanden: g'afternoon :) [18:48] \o/ [18:48] hello MLanden... good afternoon (345pm here) [18:48] IS there a good resource for UNIX fonts? I know that many are copyrighted, and I'd pay for a bonafide Helvetica. Also, I'd like to be able to find other fonts. I'm talking mainly about X fonts. [18:48] i actually like fedora and ubuntu for testing things out [18:49] evening,evilJames..Necos...6:48 pm here [18:49] greenshoe: sure u dont want truetypes? [18:49] greenshoe: That's actually a great question, and I'm going to stick around to see if there's an answer for you [18:49] Because I'd like to know as well [18:50] Action: eviljames never investigated fonts before. [18:50] fedora was fun for class... [18:50] there is an openfont site with ttfs [18:50] but why the fuck do you have to install 49 additional packages to install vlc on fedora? [18:50] but with the ports tree it pulls the needed deps and you dont have to spend hours hunting deps down [18:50] Well, clyphox, I read about fonts some time ago, but I'm a bit rusty. I know there was/is a UNIX Way to Do Fonts, and that Truetype adds a lot of flexibility, however it seems not every application knows about Truetype natively... [18:50] Necos: look at alienbob's vlc build environment and you'll see why [18:50] you can still make it configure to your needs [18:50] that's where yum and synaptic are really good [18:51] Necos: Not to nitpick, but careful on the language.. I've seen people get banned for less. Apparently there are children present :) [18:51] lol [18:51] greenshoe, http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/ a very useful site I've found [18:51] I should probably have brushed up again before I asked, but thought I'd just ask while it was on my mind.. [18:51] it's just a sore spot for me ^_^ [18:51] Thanks Old_fogie, I'll check it out. [18:51] Necos: haha, and for many others too I suspect. [18:51] I prefer to build src and build for 686 [18:51] synaptic is crap, aptitude is where it's at for .deb [18:52] if you're going to have dependency resolution, might as well go whole hog :) [18:52] UnixDawg: You'll only spend hours hunting deps down once. After that you'll remember to do learn the software before you install it. [18:52] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:52] i was like "yum install vlc"... and it was like "we have to install 49 additional dependencies" [18:52] well aptitude is what c+ ...and add's recommends; other than that has no benefit over apt-get [18:52] kunwon1: They're both crap, dep. resolution sucks. [18:53] Incidently, does anyone havea Thinkpad X61s? I do, and I'm documenting everything I do to it. I'm almost finished loading a quad boot system with some unpartitioned space for playing. Ubuntu 8.10/Slack 12.2/Solaris 10/FreeBSD 7.1. [18:53] the fact you still have to go and grap the deps and build then when you can have 1 script to do it all and save some time . [18:53] my coworkers were trying to figure out why i was cussing out a computer [18:53] ^_^ [18:53] but to each his own [18:53] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03196.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] UnixDawg: to each his own indeed. That's the open source way! :D [18:54] greenshoe: thinkwiki [18:54] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [18:54] UnixDawg: you know something though... there's a reason why automated dep scripts fail: who determines what options the resultant binary will have? [18:54] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: ""much needed sleep"" [18:54] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [18:54] Fonts: http://tinyurl.com/dx87k4 - knock your self out hehe [18:55] Necos: In ports, you determine the options. If you use slackbuilds / phbuilds you also determine the options. If you use apt/portage/etc. it will be a mystery. [18:55] most mainstream distros ship with non-gpl font packs [18:55] eviljames, thinkwiki is a great resource, and I'll contribute as soon as I finish the article I'm working on. Mine is more focused on duplicating the installation so that it could be reproduced exactly from the same steps..a bit verbose for thinkwiki.. [18:55] e.g., i have to modify samba.SlackBuild for my servers since there's no LDAP support in the binary [18:55] (ensure u got freetype going) [18:55] Portage can be a right PITA [18:56] eviljames: that's why i said "automated dependency scripts" =p [18:56] greenshoe: OIC. Still an amazing thing you're doing... kudos. [18:56] Action: Old_Fogie believes a good packager for a debian like distro uses auto scripts _and_ common sense. in a deb package he/she edit's the deb control file anyhow. if dep hell is invoked, it's on the packager, not on apt-get or aptitude. [18:56] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Old_Fogie: that's why it's just better to do it yourself if you know you need custom built packages =p [18:57] Old_Fogie: While I don't disagree with your sentiment, I think that pkgtools is the best of package management systems. [18:57] kristoffer (n=kristoff@94.191.186.232.bredband.tre.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] well, I could go on about the numerous advantages of aptitude over apt-get or yum or whatever, but I suspect this is not the place for evangelization [18:57] Necos, fo sho. debian's package management is very easy, in fact I'd say dpkg is quite similar to pkgtool. it has pre/post/ doins type of things. but dpkg and pkgtool are more similar than many would think [18:58] no; pkgtool does not have something that will configure xorg.conf for me [18:58] well remember, at the end of the day apt-get & aptitude only manage dpkg [18:59] thrice`: xorg -configure :P [18:59] the scripts in the ports allow you to choose your options. [18:59] thrice`: Plus, what does configuring xorg have to do with managing packages anyway? [18:59] thrice`, I'm talking making packages [18:59] but again to each thier own [18:59] eviljames: nothing; that's why its silly debian makes it do so :> [18:59] dpkg is a strange beast =p [18:59] oh hah [18:59] How about Archlunux's pacman managing compared to debian? [18:59] the pre/post doins are missing for sure that's why I mentioned them (which you touched on there) which is nice [18:59] Action: eviljames can be slow [19:00] archlinux* [19:00] MLanden: I don't despise arch's pacman, so .. better, I guess? [19:01] I suspect that the real strength behind the debian package management cocktail is consistent quality of and strict standards applied to the repositories [19:01] But I think people slamming debian on dep hell and say depends resolves solutions are poorly misguided. The software, apt-get, aptitude, are not at fault, it's lazy package managers. Or missing something that should've gone in (this example) the deb control file. Blame the packagers, not the the tools. [19:01] is sendmail secure? [19:01] tried the distro a while back and found it to be quite well structured [19:02] P4C0, sure is, unless you config it wrong :) [19:02] P4C0, security is a process, not a state.. it's as secure as you make it [19:03] pacman is kinda fun [19:03] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:03] Action: thrice` doesn't think arch's packagers are the best [19:03] thrice`, ++ they dont even check checksums or gpgs [19:03] eh, pacman I meant , misread taht [19:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:04] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Old_Fogie: my point about them failing is that the fact that you're picking options for people, there's never a one-size-fits-all for most packages [19:04] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [19:05] there's a one-size-fits-most, but never all =p [19:05] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.4) joined ##slackware. [19:05] true,Necos...KDE or GNOME or XFCE or Opendoor or (etc... etc..)...:D [19:06] rAWjAW (i=4814dd2b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-94a53b6aa46a8c32) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Necos, well when you compile a package, as a package maintainer, and see the ldd's that's a depend. Ther'es no "negotiating" that. So the debian package guys make it a depend. Anything else is 'recommends'. Debian builds in a system that has a gazillion packages on board. They at that point, do pick up the lib dependency as they build on a fully loaded install. It would be misguided of them to _not_ put a dependency in [19:06] if they see it in ldd output. Dont you think? [19:07] I dont think they add extra libs to the debian control file for "kicks and giggles" [19:07] ummm, that's not what i was talking about... >.> [19:07] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.4) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] debian's packaging sucks. it's very common to see trying to remove a tiny package attempt to remove, say, all of gnome [19:08] lol [19:08] blame whoever you want, it still happens to the end users [19:09] someone mentioned a while back that if you tried to remove one package, sometimes it would try to remove like 50 other packages... [19:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:10] thrice`, I dunno I'm torn on that aspect. I've seen some people in here on botched up upgrades removes. [19:10] s/upgrades or removes [19:10] but again, that's what's great about the pkgtool-style of package management... removing one package typically doesn't affect the rest of the system [19:10] I'd like to see a postremove.sh tho [19:10] Old_Fogie: *never* caused from the package manager [19:10] in pkgtool [19:10] that would be nice [19:10] slackware package manager* [19:11] yeah config's management, something needs be done on that [19:11] udev.conf for example [19:11] thrice`, I'll take pkgtool over deb/tools anyday just for the record. :D [19:11] lol [19:11] but it's not as taboo as other pkg manglers I find [19:12] by design, remember [19:12] roger that [19:12] Old_Fogie: i give credit to the other distros, don't get me wrong... i just think that they try to hard and it ends up with the user having egg on their face [19:12] but I'd _love_ to see in lieu of "oh a config file is found, so we'll toss config.new" an ncurses pop up ask what to do like debian does" [19:12] pat could easily add in support for downloading source files and having a "depends on" line - it's not rocket science. the neat part is that there's still an option to not have to [19:12] lol [19:13] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [19:13] thrice`: word to that [19:13] thrice`, I've said that before too, I agree. having slackpkg there... skies the limit how he wants his puppy to run. [19:13] i mean, between the regular slackbuilds and SBo, a lot of what you need is already there [19:14] slackpkg can merge configs, no? [19:14] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [19:14] How much ram can I install and use while running a regular 32 kernel? [19:14] 4GB [19:15] village_ (i=village@kudu.in-berlin.de) joined ##slackware. [19:15] but you need to enable HIMEM in the kernel (and i believe PAE in the bios) [19:15] Necos, thanks just making sure ;-) It's about time to quit thrashing haha [19:15] Necos, cool, no problem [19:15] not sure about if you have an AMD chip though... [19:15] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.4) joined ##slackware. [19:15] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.113.4) left irc: Client Quit [19:16] hmmm... i should start hacking on slackpkg though... that clean-system switch has some really nice potential [19:16] ot [19:16] thrice`, well configs and pretty much any .new file. Like installing hal right, you get /etc/rc.d/rc.hald.new . Later if you install, the incoming pack has .new (which may be diff and changes needed) and it get's tossed. Now the other odd thing is, if you remove hal, you have a left over /etc/rc.d/rc.hal after the package is gone. So I guess the handling of .new in general needs some kind of postremove.sh or the like. N [19:16] ot sure really. It's a touchy topic. [19:17] it'd be useful for tracking system changes [19:17] Necos: Not just AMD, any newer Core2 or Intel chip with EM64T can use more than 4G [19:18] well, because you don't know if someone else is going to use rc.hal (hopefully nothing else would) [19:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Connection timed out [19:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:18] eviljames: i meant for the slightly older chips that may not have the 64-bit address compat stuff [19:18] Slack has a /var/log/setup for scripts, maybe something added in there? not sure [19:19] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] Old_Fogie: I guess it depends on the user to find and merge files. the only time slack doesn't overwrite is if the md5sums differ between rc.hal and rc.hal.new [19:19] thrice`, then again, the hardcore slacker in me says "well...you should be looking in each package for possible conflicts anyway's so you should see the .new possible conflict anyhow and adjust accordingly" :) [19:20] thrice`, md5sum good point [19:20] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] hehehe [19:20] village (i=village@kudu.in-berlin.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:21] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] heya Motoko-chan [19:21] good point,unless the admin changes, but they should have a backup of their new version anyhow if their worth their salt. [19:21] Well folks, it's been fun. [19:21] like I said, .new is touch [19:21] y [19:21] Hello [19:21] Anyone have experience with laptop vga out? [19:22] Or even s-video out? [19:22] I' [19:22] I'm trying to get it working [19:22] eviljames (i=9a054c10@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1f7585ad782913c3) left irc: "mibbit.com: eviljames touches his .new all the time...." [19:22] what chip? [19:22] Old_Fogie: yep. if it can't be done perfectly, why bother :P [19:22] my just worked amazingly enough [19:22] all i had to do was hit the function key for it [19:22] Intel GM965 [19:23] thrice`, very true. I'll stick with it the way it is, then have something that works 99.9% of the time, but the 0.1% time it fails get's me a ride on the failbus anyday [19:23] KRandR isn't working. [19:23] new kernels out http://lwn.net/Articles/318448/rss [19:23] Action: Old_Fogie wonders if ath5k works on my acer's now in 2.6.28 or not [19:23] Anyone? [19:24] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] you could try setting up a second screen Motoko-chan (i haven't muched with dual-output in a long time [19:24] Well, randr sees it. [19:24] Motoko-chan, I've only used vga out on my laptop, and I hit a key on the laptop to toggle off the screen. It just worked. [19:24] *,mucked lol [19:24] s/laptops [19:25] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] greenshoe (i=justinh@sdf-eu.org) left irc: "leaving" [19:27] brb, need to walk over to the car shop and get my estimate for replacing my distributor cpa [19:27] *cap [19:27] Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libgnomebreakpad.so": libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <--- Anyone ever built that lib and use it for Slack? Is that a nice tray for xmms. I've been using "alltray" and happy with it, but just wondering. 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[19:49] ah, well, it was just my distributor cap and wires... $200 bucks for everything to repair it... and it'll be done ~530 [19:51] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:55] when i went to change the plugs & wires in my little pickup i was surprised that it does not have a distributer, it has a pair of magnetos [19:55] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [19:56] thats all a pickup is [19:56] coils :) [19:56] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-111-10.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:57] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) left irc: Client Quit [19:57] i meant pickup truck, chevy S10 with a 2.2 litre four cylinder engine [19:57] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [19:57] LOL ye my bad [19:57] was wondering about the magnetos hehe, sry whisky [19:58] thats ok, dont worry about it [19:58] but you are correct, magnetos are basically pickup coils [19:58] "What me worry" :) [19:58] "coil pack" as the parts guys here say [19:59] i always wanted to make my own (guitar pickup).... one day hehe [19:59] Action: Old_Fogie chuckles thinking of how many here doin't know what "points" are w.r.t. timing in an engine :) [19:59] PiCkSiE (n=X@189.186.109.82) joined ##slackware. [20:00] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h71-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] it has been a long long time since i set the points on a distributer, there are two methods, one is with a "feeler guage" and the other is with a electronic thingy, [20:01] I've got a kit car outside that has them :) [20:01] used an allen wrench to adjust [20:01] they were a pain, glad to see them go [20:01] that and carbeurators [20:02] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03196.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] me too, i like electronic ignitions, but i hate the way automobiles are too computerized, even the damn dome light in my mom's car has a timer on it and sometimes it sticks and runs the battery down [20:02] i used to rebuild vintage racecars [20:02] old volvos [20:03] they had mechanic contacts [20:03] nullboy, they were a pain [20:03] my cousin has an old volvo that was cool has heck! [20:03] well my harley started out with electronic ignition, but not wanting to be stranded on the side of the road, it soon there after had a real ignition in it. ;) [20:03] Pig_Pen, I've had that happen, a relay in the line was the culprit here. Took me two months to track taht down [20:03] nationplacebo (n=placebon@ppp-70-244-47-253.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) left irc: [20:04] Action: Old_Fogie just sold his triumph. made more money off it then what I bought it for. [20:04] http://www.scltd.net/www/bkmotors/applications/imagelib/Volvo%20CC.JPG i like this style of volvo [20:05] Pig_Pen, :) [20:06] i worked on 122s and 240 series [20:06] anybody want to pointme in the direction of a nice ebook site? :) [20:07] ---- thattaway ---> ;) [20:07] no no... <---- that way ---- [20:07] l33l (i=l33l@gateway/tor/x-81ecec2cefca182c) joined ##slackware. [20:07] Action: frullet_ is on his way [20:07] :P [20:07] frullet_ mininova.org [20:07] Pig_Pen: that's a 544 in that image you posted [20:08] they all had similar motors though [20:08] I regulary use torrents to download ebooks, just alot of them arnt seeded =/ [20:08] which gets irritating [20:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] yeah, the nerve of people, they buy the books and dont upload them [20:09] that is the kind of volvo my cousin used to fix up with psychodelic paint jobs and mag wheels [20:09] they are cool cars [20:09] they called them the 5 door volvo [20:10] "psychodelic paint jobs and mag wheels" <--- hahah. [20:12] GlennP (n=chatzill@c-75-75-60-22.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] biatche (i=biatche@unaffiliated/biatche) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Action: andarius finds it is best for most to build what fits the budget. as most gear will work [20:13] bahh [20:13] anyone know of a good text bandwidth monitor ? [20:13] biatche : iftop [20:13] bmon [20:14] i use that [20:14] i use that in my gentoo and archlinux [20:14] but is tehre a ready package for it? [20:14] for slackware? [20:14] can write your own too ... [20:14] i cant find it [20:14] i did search for it. [20:14] http://sterlingdesktops.com/cgi-bin/lsnet2.pl i just wrote this :) [20:15] biatche, check SBo for buildscripts, if not I got a buildscript for you if needbe [20:15] nope [20:15] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [20:15] lazy [20:15] wanna keep it simple [20:16] then what are you doing using slackware? [20:16] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.236.43) joined ##slackware. [20:16] to do some specific purposes [20:16] hmm [20:16] i might have to build it after all [20:16] darn it [20:16] cant find any ready package [20:17] do you always use 'enter' as the punctuation key? [20:17] Sorry [20:17] hey guys the ralink rt2561/rt61 should work well in slackware, yes? [20:17] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:18] biatche : and both iftop and bmon are available in slackbuilds.org [20:18] thanks, didnt know that site exists. [20:18] hmpf, guess I was talking to myself at 20:14 then :) [20:19] GlennP (n=chatzill@c-75-75-60-22.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]" [20:19] Old_Fogie: sorry, did you say something? ;) [20:19] chopp, haha :) [20:19] antler: Yes. [20:21] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: "Leaving." [20:21] jkwood: argh. i hate it when it's just me :( [20:21] Action: Old_Fogie exec's rain on console of all who dare enter ##slackware [20:22] hi Old_Fogie [20:22] hidee ho [20:22] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-100-17-78.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [20:22] ah, that's better [20:23] hatwa hetha uckfa [20:23] chopp, :) [20:23] lol [20:23] or should I say, "oppchay" [20:24] esya [20:24] haha, I'm going down the list of users here with the 'pig' command, this is funny [20:24] Action: chopp feels young again. wahoo [20:24] ackboyslay <-- hahah [20:25] well he does ocassionally slay ;) [20:25] antler: yes, i use that card just fine with slackware, but i never did get wpa_supplicant to use it, i ended up using wep with only wireless_tools [20:25] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:25] true..rofl... rworkman's name in pig is : "orkmanrway" [20:25] or BPAY{kay} [20:26] for BP{k} [20:28] How yall doing? [20:28] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.11.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:28] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [20:29] Pig_Pen: ok. looking for a how-to now [20:29] kjell, hello [20:29] and shouldn't it be "old-ay oag-fi-ay"? [20:30] antler, not sure really. this is what 'pig' command gave me. [20:30] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.92.142) joined ##slackware. [20:30] hi [20:30] hello [20:32] da criminalz cat iz bax! [20:34] antler, re: the rt61: I am pretty sure that master mode won't work [20:34] Oldway_Ogiefay: that nick is messing with my head. I thought you were a knockoff of Old_Fogie :P [20:34] macavity, hahaha [20:34] antler, so if you want to use it for an access point, you can't [20:34] well.. technically you are, only that your are entitled to be :P [20:34] s/macavity/acavitymay [20:35] aquavitmay [20:35] "man pig" /me doesnt know the number of man page, I haz no leetnessess my pretties [20:35] Oldway_Ogiefay: LOL! [20:35] :D [20:35] pig(6) [20:35] mooglenorph: ok, so far i don't see any mention of that in alienBOB's wireless wiki [20:36] anyone good with perl? [20:36] a script that looks up the section of the manpage would be a really nice addition to irssi [20:36] mooglenorph: nm. i have several how-tos open and mixing them up [20:37] antler, I found that particular gem in the rtx200 driver forum. [20:37] eg "/mansec please read fubar#" could expand to "please read fubar(n)" [20:37] antler, which are the new drivers for the rt61 chipset. I know the new ones support it, but you'd probably need to rebuild the kernel [20:38] or some other mean of telling which word to look up [20:38] http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page [20:38] mooglenorph: oh god. i heard "rebuild kernel" [20:39] just go buy the same laptop i have and i'll give you a working kernel [20:39] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay is building 2.6.27.15 & 2.6.28.4 now [20:39] antler, that's only if you want an access point though. Also, they're merged as of 2.6.24, and now slack is on 2.6.27 (I think) [20:39] mooglenorph: yeah, i have that page, thanks. [20:39] .15?!? [20:39] nullboy, or he could save his money you send him laptop :) [20:39] ok, some nutjob has desided to artificially prolong the lifespan of .27 [20:39] does anybody here have experience with linux-bonding? balance-rr [20:40] macavity, actually it's the "long term support" kernel [20:40] macavity, one of the kernel dev's stepped up and took ownership of it. [20:40] mooglenorph: it is, i think. [20:41] i should probably get rid of rt61pci then. both the rt2x00 and the rt61pci are loaded [20:41] Oldway_Ogiefay: atwhay isway ethay eaningmay ofway ifelay? [20:41] macavity, I had to chuckle when it was announced on KML. Someone asked "so how do you determin what is long term. " andthen the person went into these theories, algorithms, etc look for some techie answer. The kernel dev said.."eh, I just said 27 sounds nice" ROFL [20:42] Oldway_Ogiefay: that means it is an enterprize kernel in $BIG_DISTRO(S) [20:42] hahah nope. getting rid of rt61pci got rid of my wlan0 [20:42] you'd think so, but debian is only going 26 series, you'd think they'd save their time, energy and effort, and bump their kernel up a 0.1...oh yea they froze the kernel for lenny 8 years ago LOL [20:43] but no, they want to backport sec fixes and increase chances of oopsie [20:44] clyphox (n=david@94.229.68.79) left irc: "sleep" [20:45] mooglenorph: i have both rt2x00pci and rt61pci loaded. both are necessary? [20:45] Oldway_Ogiefay: however, i think that .27 is the wrong kernel for that... mac80211 had a major overhauld in .28, and lots of other things really came "up to date" with the subsystem maintainers current code [20:46] .28 fixed a lot of messed up stuff [20:46] well, .28.3 [20:46] haha [20:46] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] sheesh why can't this wireless thing be as simple as running netconfig [20:46] macavity, yea 28 is supposed to be cat's meow. So far here tho, it's a loss. something is wrong with jfs , and ath5k is no go here at all in 28. let's hope. but intel is nice in 28 [20:46] Oldway_Ogiefay: whurd? [20:47] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [20:47] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] antler: ath5k runs perfectly here [20:47] macavity, I have much less "green and red" on screen when exiting a kde/gnome session and come back to KDM in 28 then any other kernel [20:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:47] eek Oldway_Ogiefay ^^ [20:47] antler: false alarm [20:47] macavity, I cant get any connection at all to ath5k in 28 [20:47] strange [20:48] what's your jfs error? [20:48] macavity, "eek" referring to my green & red? yes makes me feel as if I'm back in the 60's. heh, you have to love my i810 video card and it's shared memory [20:49] macavity, jfs... for some reason, if I delete (send to trash) a kernel treee, reboot, .. I get an fsck on the partition that hs that trash. [20:49] mine uses shared too.. though it is a bit more recent :P [20:49] I can duplicate it over and over [20:49] and it's a recently new IDE/pata drive [20:49] no smart errors nothing [20:49] I get other sparadic errors with jfs and trash [20:49] ah, nice to have a working car ^_^ [20:50] rAWjAW (i=4814dd2b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-94a53b6aa46a8c32) left ##slackware. [20:50] Oldway_Ogiefay: ask lkml for advice on how to produce the nessecary "proof of concept" to them [20:50] macavity, there's been times, computer idling in 28, the hard drive just went nuts. I made it ext3 and all gone [20:50] i've heard that to be the case with jfs and reiser [20:51] i can confirm the later [20:51] but since I like jfs, I dropped down to 27 and reformatted and still no isse [20:51] reiser seems to have taken an interest in pruning my harddisk for no apparent reason [20:51] yeah 28 something just odd [20:51] oh yea that happened with reiser too [20:52] was it because of the aggressive journaling? [20:52] could you switch your nick back? it really messes with my dyslexica [20:52] antler, I'm unsure if you need both or not. I looked at the rt driver situation about a week ago, whimped out and bought an atheros card. [20:52] Necos, i have no idea, but just idling the drive would go berzerk [20:52] pls? [20:52] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-171-36-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:52] seeking, reading writing Lord only knows [20:52] Nick change: nullboy -> yobllun [20:52] hahahaha [20:52] U-Neeks (i=555@200-193-227-203.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] macavity, k brb [20:52] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] thx :-) [20:53] tada! [20:53] why did that require a /part? [20:53] just currious [20:53] lol [20:53] mooglenorph: hahaha [20:53] easier than retyping my luggage combo [20:53] >.> [20:53] client? [20:54] xchat [20:54] ah [20:54] irssi has nickserv support :-) [20:54] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:54] this does but I forget :) [20:54] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:54] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Old_Fogie: btw, do you have some bigger iron you can compile on? [20:55] macavity, funny you mention that. [20:56] he owns the amazon cloud... he has plenty... [20:56] macavity, actually my faster pc has become part of my distcc farm. Since my 866 here runs well enuff to my liking. Funny, I needed that for windows, but not for day in day out with Slack [20:56] Nick change: yobllun -> nullboy [20:56] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-a3db117a8d0bf4b4) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Old_Fogie: i am hacking on a slackbuild based on the mesa instructions on how to produce a complete xorg stack from git [20:58] macavity, I do alot of compiling and I believe in gentoo like reverse depends so I do alot of rebuilds. I've got a gnome 2.25 build system if you want it :) [20:58] macavity, is that for 12.1 or 12.2? [20:58] macavity, the xorg slackbuild was simple enough for me >.> [20:58] Old_Fogie: doesnt matter [20:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] Necos, he wants ultimate intel power so the git is his rational on that [20:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:59] macavity, ooh can I *sniff*sniff* it when you get done? [20:59] Old_Fogie: not just the intel driver.. the complete stack [21:00] macavity, I've read theres some xorg gtk tweaks in there, I'm hoping that's true [21:00] Old_Fogie: actually i am interested in gathering slackware people who has as many different intel chips as possible [21:00] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Old_Fogie: and get as many of them to test and report bugs on a nearly day-to-day basis [21:01] macavity, true onboard intel i810 chipsets here on two sister boxen. and I got 10 acer aspire one netbooks that are intel (945 gm is it?) [21:01] Old_Fogie: you can just git-clone and tar =p [21:01] then run the slackbuild [21:01] macavity, and a few i915 as well in dell boxen [21:01] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.92.142) left irc: "Quit" [21:01] err, three of them [21:01] Old_Fogie: nice :-) [21:01] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] the dells are p4 2.2? ghz iirc [21:01] wow my samsung 23" true wide screen lcd sure is nice ;-) [21:01] Old_Fogie: we really have to get them away from the "only i965 gets attention" [21:02] macavity, and all run like crap on 12.2 except the netbooks from acer. only the acers are on slack 12.2 all other pc's are staing 12.1 [21:02] Action: Necos mugs antler [21:02] macavity : convince pat to include smolt [21:02] Old_Fogie: i do belive those are i965 chips [21:02] ananke: smolt? [21:03] macavity : http://www.smolts.org/ [21:03] macavity, yes the 965 runs very nice on the acers. but my other intels, and ati's with xorg free in 12.2 are just noticeably diff than 12.1. [21:03] Necos: you can have my broken 19" if you like. no idea why it's borked, could be just a loose wire ;-) [21:03] fedora and opensuse already include it as part of their normal desktop install. it's a project aimed at gathering hardware specs of people who run linux [21:03] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [21:03] macavity, if I rolled out 12.2 on them it'd "feel" like a downgrade [21:04] is that the thing that pops up when fedora asks you if you want to send your data? [21:05] Old_Fogie: if you intend to run git you will need .28 for GEM [21:05] Necos : not sure how it works on fedora [21:05] macavity, ah ok good to know [21:05] Tell360 (n=76570347@119.101.225.74) joined ##slackware. [21:05] at the end of the fedora install, it asks if you can send your system specs to the fedora team [21:06] Necos : quite likely [21:06] macavity, ironically. the one pc my friend has, 12.2 is good on there for the 'voodoo 3dfx' using the 'elf libs' package from Slackware 10.2 (Mr. V hasn't reissued them elf libs since then) and they still work, and work better than intel or ati-/xorg-free. Go figure. [21:07] my slack box at work uses a X1900 with radeonhd... still can't play quake4... sucks :( [21:07] Necos: "you wanna send?" Necos, really? that's a shame [21:08] antler, yep! [21:08] F10 is actually really nice, just that the dependency tracking is craptastic [21:08] Necos, I've moved my r300 boxes and r350 boxes back to windows. I've given up on FLOSS and ATI binaries. I'll keep them boxes windows, it just works, and they get better drivers even to this day and fixes. [21:08] yeah, it looks fantastic [21:08] Necos, I spent 3 years waiting for ATI and/or floss on them video cards, I cant deal with it any more [21:09] it is going to take some time, but eventually Gallium3D is going to unify and solve a *lot* of problems [21:09] http://www.smolts.org/client/show/?uuid=pub_2cca2b76-f974-45f8-b4e2-99455d775d4b <- i just sent my laptop info [21:09] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [21:09] and ubuntu is wicked on old laptops... especially since my student worker needs a good transition setup [21:09] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] "wicked" as in good? [21:10] yeah [21:10] the only problem was that Xorg didn't detect the vidcard properly, so i had to go in with a knoppix disc and write the xorg.conf manually [21:11] "old" meaning 512mb ram or more right, since they take 256 meg in use just logging into gnome [21:11] lol [21:11] lol i think that laptop had 512 [21:11] Necos, just be sure you use a later ubuntu... becuase they'll kill your hard drive [21:11] Necos, right [21:11] Old_Fogie: i run KDE on that amount of ram [21:11] if less than 512 ubunut out of question...slack or debian < 100 mb ram in gnome here :) [21:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] i have 2gigs in my work box, and it uses ~60-70 with Openbox [21:12] =p [21:12] macavity, kde 3.5.10 is impressive, fastest one they made and the killed some leaks or I dont know what, it's snappy as hell. [21:12] macavity, even on 866 it's highly useable here [21:13] 866mhz [21:13] xft fonts ftw [21:13] pattwo (n=admin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Old_Fogie: it gets even better when you compile it with -Os -march=prescott -msse2 ;-) [21:14] macavity, I did the glibc thing you mentioned. that was noticeable for sure [21:14] too bad slack is no longer binary compatible with 386s... lol [21:14] what opts? [21:14] pentium :) [21:14] O_O [21:14] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:14] bogomips : 1737.25 [21:15] :) [21:15] cache size : 256 KB [21:15] why not -march=pentium3 -msse [21:15] Ù̺ˆ@... [21:15] that's what I meant pentium3 yea [21:15] the pentium3 scheduler is very stable [21:15] ah, ok [21:15] -Os or -O2? [21:16] um, can't recall [21:16] ,/O_O\ [21:16] Tell360: what? [21:16] I have the packages here, I didnt upgradepkg --reinstall yet since I just reloaded this box to test my buildscript the other day [21:16] model name : Pentium III (Coppermine), cpu MHz : 651.488, bogomips : 1300.88 >.<;;; [21:16] ô-‡„¡ ? [21:16] Necos, :) [21:17] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:17] E‡ } [21:17] my slack server [21:17] Adol (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Tell360: quit that [21:17] Nick change: Adol -> superGear [21:17] nullboy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanglefoot#Tanglefoot ;) [21:17] it works [21:17] lol [21:17] Necos, dont make me cat /proc/cpuinfo on my server that is " cat /etc/HOSTNAME ----> OBAMA" ; It's called OBAMA as that pc's is so slow, it has the motto "Yes we can!" [21:17] no quit that , macavity [21:17] rantic (n=lol@d39-3-160.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] i can at least see those characters [21:18] but the fun thing is this: [21:18] total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: [21:18] Mem: 660934656 541253632 119681024 0 68395008 271249408 [21:18] Hi all, I'm about to partition slackware (it's my first distor) and was wondering which partitions i'd need to make for a normal user [21:18] Necos, yup highly useable [21:18] I understand I'd make one large one for /, one for swap, is that it? [21:18] rantic, I usually make a partition for /home as well. [21:18] rantic, make a partition for home too, makes life easier down the road [21:18] rantic: id say 10GB for / and say 2GB for swap, and the rest for /home [21:19] rantic: or something like that [21:19] m0d_ (n=m0d_@201-34-128-234.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:19] 2g swap? reaally? [21:19] or whatever [21:19] i use like 512MB for swap lol [21:19] i use 43*MB* myself [21:19] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [21:19] Necos, me too, after I hit 400 or so in swap (which is often) it get's noticeable, I'd prefer the pc to dump anything in there at that point. [21:20] m0d_ (n=m0d_@201-34-128-234.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:20] but if the wants to play with, say, blender, that much swap could come in handy :P [21:20] Action: andarius has 2 gig of swap [21:20] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:20] macavity, yes true [21:20] Action: agentc0re has 4 gig swap.. [21:20] I could see if you were an admin, with a bunch of vm's too [21:20] would need that [21:20] well, i have 2 gigs of ram on that box at work, so 512MB swap should be sufficient [21:20] Necos, yea daily use, on that box like , desktop user, that's fine I'd think [21:20] i can usually run vmware with 2-3 vms and not notice any lag [21:20] rantic: since this is your first distro, i feel inclined to ask if you are aware that slackware does *not* provide automatic dependency resolution? [21:21] rantic: and also, if you know what that means [21:21] e2kb (n=e2kb@201-34-128-234.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:21] heheh [21:22] 21:21:43 up 1 day, 21:09, 1 user, load average: 1.45, 1.38, 1.38 <--- build gnome 2.25 and kde 3.5.10 and only at kdegames ... hahah. them poor pc's working their butts off, heh. [21:22] i have 2GB ram... and i have yet to use more than 1GB of that.. yet the kernel seems to consistanly swap out 450KB [21:22] meaning if i install something which requires other packages it's not done for me? [21:22] i just read about that in the slackbook [21:23] yeah rantic [21:23] Mem: 2025 1201 823 [21:23] he read slackbook, before installing...I'm in love! [21:23] rantic: good boy :-) [21:23] he read slackbook, before installing...I'm in love! [21:23] :D [21:23] yeah, that's pretty awesome lol [21:23] rantic: you just earned yourself a ticket to free support [21:23] I'm reading it as I install lol but thank's for the encouragment [21:23] lol [21:23] rantic, well sounds like you're going about it on the right foot. [21:23] close enough rantic [21:23] necos@tessai:~/bt$ uptime [21:23] 18:23:27 up 14 days, 11 min, 5 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 [21:24] Necos, building anything in that time? [21:24] like build system? [21:24] HOST: rogue | OS: Slackware Linux 2.6.28-ajj | CPU: Intel Core2 T7400 @ 2.16GHz (2 Cores, 8644.36 Bogomips Total) | CACHE: 4096 KB | MEM: 501.13/2018.54 MB (24.8%) | UP: 6 hours, 41 minutes | [21:24] hell no ^_^ [21:24] Necos, girl! [21:24] :D [21:24] it's a server for remote access... i only use it for finch / epic4 [21:24] and as a router >.> [21:25] Necos, finch...<-- you get the mouse to work with gpm on it? I cannot. [21:25] 18:26:14 up 19:39, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.31, 0.55 [21:25] i always use it over ssh, so i've never tried [21:25] ah ok [21:25] hmmm... [21:26] Necos/ Old_Fogie: is finch ncurses based? [21:26] wow, i should probably upgrade my kernel at some point on this box [21:26] It's supposed to be able to use the mouse in an xterm, or gpm in console. But I've yet to be able to get it to work. There is very little help doc's on it. [21:26] yeah macavity [21:26] finch is nice [21:26] but it's so, so, so good... [21:26] then mouse support is inherently problematic [21:26] macavity, no but it's termianl vesion of pdigin, and honors your pidgin configs file and buddy list etc [21:27] ncurses managed to shoot down one of my projecs with that :-/ [21:27] and it's the only way i can use yahoo/etc from work (ssh to this box and run) [21:27] macavity, it works suprisingly well at what it does do tho. [21:27] macavity, it's alot like irssi, like "/win 1" , etc [21:27] it's very graphical or an ncurses interface [21:27] for* [21:28] yeah, but it's kinda strange when used with screen [21:28] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.158.211) joined ##slackware. [21:28] I wish the mouse worked for it tho, I'd use that in lieu of pidgin or kopete in a heartbeat then [21:28] but i think that's just because my WM is taking some of my keypresses [21:28] Action: BP{k} prefers bitlbee :) [21:29] BP{k}, support mouse? [21:29] right now tho, i'm on my winxp box using putty >.> [21:29] Old_Fogie: no. unless your irc client supports it. [21:29] thanks for the help guys, i'll brb I have to finish the installation proceduree [21:29] have fun rantic [21:30] Necos, putty's not bad. wish it honord gpg private keys out of box tho. I've yet to set up passwordless/key-only auth on it yet [21:30] rantic (n=lol@d39-3-160.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: [21:30] BP{k}: I just switched to it. Takes a while to get used to that approach but after a while it feels very natural [21:30] BP{k}, aha I see [21:30] Old_Fogie: http://mg.pov.lt/xchat-jabber-bitlbee.png to give an example. (bitlbee works/acts like an ircd that gateways to IM services [21:30] Kaapa: :) [21:30] Throughout the day, I may have 20 open IM windows, too hard to manage with keybinds [21:31] Old_Fogie: less windows == more work done :p [21:31] ImmutableDark (n=m0@c220-237-99-49.randw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Kaapa: maybe he has 20 windows open to get less work done [21:31] lol [21:32] my point exactly! [21:32] Kaapa, agreed that's why I like the idea of it in an xterm, then it's only one app on task bar, but it has 20 tabs per se' [21:32] i need "rpig" to format back to english :P [21:32] lol [21:32] Old_Fogie: I have the following running on my vps: screen + irssi + bitlbee + twirssi [21:33] twirssi? [21:33] Text Windows Irssi? [21:33] Necos, he's a socialite :) [21:33] irssi perl script that acts as a frontend to twitter. [21:33] http://www.twirssi.com/ [21:33] ah [21:34] it just means he has a big digital mouth lol [21:34] Necos: among others, but what else is new [21:34] :P [21:34] not much ^_~ [21:34] the day I start blogging.. it will rain fire and brimstone.. or I'll get locked up for shooting my big mouth off. heh, I spare the world. [21:34] yeah... thanks for not making us throw you under the jail [21:36] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-100-17-78.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] then again, that would have been fun... [21:37] shame on you for taking away our fun! [21:37] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Old_Fogie would probably enjoy that too ;) [21:37] lol [21:37] not if we take away his irc access ^_~ [21:38] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] "i'm a hungry man, but i dont want pizza. I'm gonna blow down your house, and then i'm gonna eat ya." :P [21:41] macavity: stop talking to /dev/gf in this channel ;) [21:41] heh [21:41] i'm listening to Alice Cooper :P [21:41] lol [21:41] you have a udev rule for that dev ? [21:41] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [21:41] oh good stuff , which alice cooper are ya listening to ? [21:42] Feed My Frankenstein [21:42] Action: dtanner looks for a alice cooper torrent of billion dollar babies [21:42] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-180.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] I have the LP(vynyl) for billion dollar babies i bought when I was about 10 years old [21:43] vinyl* [21:44] PiCkSiE (n=X@189.186.109.82) left irc: [21:44] nice [21:44] i miss the crackling of vinyl on a good hi fi system [21:45] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:45] dtanner: PM? [21:45] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-100-17-78.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] sure macavity [21:45] Why some images show me in black like this http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3117/blackpicme2.png [21:46] on firefox [21:46] gades: all i see is black also , must be the site [21:47] gades: that's the picture. "blackpicme2".....the subject is so black that you can't see him [21:47] Tell360 (n=76570347@119.101.225.74) left ##slackware. [21:48] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] >.> [21:49] dtanner: in other distro show me the picture [21:49] i can see this picture [21:51] http://tecnologiaslibres.net/2009/02/04/2-tips-geeks-google-cambio-de-divisas-y-rae-rapido/ <--- this article gades? [21:52] ya know... the one thing i haven't figured out how to do in vmware is install vmtools on a slack guest [21:52] Necos: yes [21:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@nateres205.tel.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:52] umm, please tell me one did not expect to see an image that fails to render based on a screen shot [21:52] lol [21:52] Necos: i can't see some images on some website, but with others distro no problem [21:52] scroll down on the website... the chick wearing the firefox shirt is cute! [21:53] http://tecnologiaslibres.net/2009/02/02/estadisticas-de-firefox-enero-2009-cuota-del-mercado/ <--- there, easy access for ya lol [21:53] why yes, yes she is [21:53] correction, firefox sweater [21:54] altho, i still want to remove it from her body all the same ^_^ [21:54] ohh, the top has a logo on it :| [21:55] damn, she's really hot... >.> [21:56] and why do i feel the need to buy an FF sweater now >.> [21:58] because you are not totaly into the girl :P [21:58] hba (n=hba@189.188.147.150) joined ##slackware. [21:58] lol [21:58] more like "if you buy it, she will come..." [21:58] if that is the case where can i order [21:58] lol [21:59] From here: Please send your credit card number, name, and SIN number to me :p [21:59] hahahahaha [21:59] SIN ? [21:59] Social Insurance Number [21:59] SSN [21:59] he's canadian probably [21:59] heh [21:59] Aye. [21:59] hahahaha [21:59] sweet, i get to dump my sins on you [22:00] fail [22:00] haha [22:00] `"you don't have to pay to play .." why does that sound like "But we don't tell you what you catch if you do" [22:00] LOL [22:00] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [22:00] damn BP{k}... ya know... why did you just have to kill it? lol [22:00] Because I can ;) [22:01] bastid :p [22:01] MacGuyver (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [22:02] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:02] ouchie [22:02] Nick change: MacGuyver -> wamaral [22:03] hmmmm, must resist temptation to get on ffxi... [22:03] http://store.mozilla.org/product.php?code=MZ34014&catid=10 <--- not a bad laptop bag / camera bag [22:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] Action: Old_Fogie says give money to Slackware to continue it's development in light of the millions that mozilla foundation has just sitting in the bank. [22:05] heh found a win95 cd [22:05] i have an original along with the add-ons disk. [22:05] antler, please email me the sounds and images from it for nostalgia :) [22:06] another for imlib2, let's hope they fix the other one too http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?execution=e2s1 [22:06] heh if you're serious i can probably put them somehwere for you to grab [22:06] i'm having issues, peeps. i can't figure out how to make /dev/sda4 grow to take up the rest of the disk. i currently have 100gb or so of unallocated space [22:06] What file system? [22:06] antler, i'm dead serious, i still own rights to win95 somewhere [22:06] straterra, xfs [22:07] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] i tried xfs_growfs and it won't let me increase partition size [22:07] and is the free space right next to the partition? [22:07] yes [22:07] get an error? [22:07] disk is: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 [unallocated] [22:07] no, i just can't figure it out [22:07] gparted was saying I/O error but the logs didn't give me any good info [22:08] have you tried fscking the partition? [22:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [22:08] straterra, yes, no errors [22:08] so..you run xfs_growfs /dev/sda4 [22:08] and nothing? [22:09] yep [22:09] nothing in dmesg? [22:09] nope [22:09] have you tried stracing? [22:09] ion (n=ion@atomos.nxsh.org) joined ##slackware. [22:09] hey how do i grow the actual FS though? i just noticed "xfs_growfs /dev/sda4" is only printing out info [22:10] thats typically all you have to do [22:11] this is what you're talking about Old_Fogie? http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2008-6079 [22:12] straterra, i can cure that, i guess. maybe xfs used a block or inode size that won't let it grow [22:12] also.. [22:12] Necos, yes but I just realized that is fixed in their current. but there is still an outstanding cve for the 1.4.2. [22:12] i'll rsync and backup the partition then delete and rebuild [22:12] is the fs mounted? [22:12] yes, like it's supposed to be [22:12] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] then use the mount point [22:12] i thought that'd prevent it from resizing >.> [22:12] not the device node [22:12] Necos: no..it can do live resizing [22:12] i was [22:12] TwinReverb: look at the last paragraph of the man page. Seems to indicate you have to grow it into a *NEW* partition. Is /dev/sda4 the new partition or the existing one that you want to expand? [22:13] sda4 is the existing one i want to expand [22:13] danc3: no you don't [22:13] and i can't figure out how to make the partition itself grow [22:13] TwinReverb: don't run xfs_growfs /dev/sda4 [22:13] read the last part of the man page. Under "Practical Use" [22:13] make it xfs_growfs / [22:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:13] well /home but yes i get the point [22:13] and no, it still won't let me [22:14] I think you need to make the unallocated space into /dev/sda5 [22:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:14] and then expand sda4 into sda5 [22:14] Uhm..he'd have to delete a partition and make a logical partition then.. [22:14] ok [22:14] so what [22:14] yeah sda1 2 3 4 all used [22:14] oh [22:14] so what..tha means..deleting a partition he's using [22:14] i sat there in fdisk trying to find the option to increase partition physical size but no results [22:15] Necos, http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?execution=e3s1 [22:15] gparted live was no help [22:15] did you read the Practical Use part of the man page as I suggested? [22:15] Necos, that's the older one I'm referring too [22:15] Yes [22:15] it couldn't grow any partitions at all, regardless of which partition [22:15] Old_Fogie: that's a dynamic link... it links to nothing =p [22:15] but i'm guessing you're referring to the one in nov. 08? [22:15] oh? huh, [22:15] sure seems to say that you need a *new* partition [22:16] Therefore there must be at least one spare new [22:16] disk partition available. [22:16] that's a direct quote [22:16] Necos, http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2008-5187 [22:16] http://support.coraid.com/support/cln/CLN-HOWTO.html#growfs [22:16] yeah, that's nov. 08 [22:16] Action: danc3 shrugs [22:16] ahh well [22:16] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/screenshot.jpg [22:16] danc3: I think what is meant is that you expand the space in the partition table [22:16] ion (n=ion@atomos.nxsh.org) left irc: "leaving" [22:16] Necos, but see this is what I don't understand. Where is fedora getting this "security" fix from? There is no newer version of imlib2 out : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-package-announce/2008-November/msg00858.html [22:17] not create a new partition [22:17] straterra: that's not what it says [22:17] TwinReverb: copy your partition table with dd, then delete sda4 and create a new partition that uses all the space [22:17] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [22:17] danc3: If that were the case, you'd have to specify 2 partitions [22:17] straterra, i'm good, i'll just delete and recreate [22:18] TwinReverb: no backing up? [22:18] i am backing it up [22:18] it takes like half a second [22:18] ok [22:18] like right now [22:18] the partition table? [22:18] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:18] personally, I would *never* allocate my disk to use the four primaries, and yet leave unallocated space. Much better to use 1 and 2, maybe, and then jump to 5, 6,7, etc. [22:18] Old_Fogie: it was probably a @redhat.com fix [22:18] and they bumped the number arbitrarily [22:18] danc3: i think he upgraded disks [22:19] danc3, disk upgrade, and playin with slamd64 [22:19] Necos, unreal, taht tix me off [22:19] ironically sda1 was windows, was deleted, then became slamd64, but i still prefer slackware [22:19] disk upgrade is irrelevant [22:19] disks are irrelevant [22:19] you should never use all of the primaries [22:19] ever [22:19] irc is irrelevant [22:19] uh.. [22:19] lol [22:19] why should you not? [22:19] everything is irrelevant [22:19] I see nothing wrong with using all the primary partitions [22:19] and everything begins with an e (tm) [22:19] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:19] Necos: because of this exact problem [22:20] well in theory i would've loved to use LVM [22:20] This problem would be mitigated by LVM too [22:20] you get 4 / drive... nothing wrong with that =p [22:20] but this isn't really a "problem" persay [22:20] TwinReverb: did you try it? [22:20] i've tried LVM before, and i can use it just fine [22:20] not lvm [22:20] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] the problem would not be a problem if the drive was used as 1,2,5, 6,7.... [22:20] what i suggested [22:20] just that at the end of the day i didn't see the point [22:20] not yet [22:20] i hate extended partitions [22:20] i'm currently backing up /home [22:20] i can't stand extended partitions either [22:20] Necos: why? [22:20] You dont have to backup /home [22:21] i would either use lvm or primary partitions [22:21] backup the partition table [22:21] if i decide i to say goodbye to sda3, then i can't remerge that space with sda2 >.> [22:21] straterra, gotta backup /home first in case it don't work [22:21] TwinReverb: thats what the partition table backup is for [22:22] Necos: lol, sure you can, just use 5 [22:22] jeeez [22:22] or i could use LVM and get features that extended partitions cannot offer [22:22] i just image any disks i might screw up to file before i start mucking around [22:22] TwinReverb: ok, so use LVM then. [22:22] NEXT! [22:22] i've never done it successfully in windows, so i remain hesitant [22:23] windows? [22:23] lol [22:23] runpain2 (n=runpain2@tx-67-77-198-165.dyn.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] i rather just use 3 primaries =p [22:23] I'd use 4 [22:24] windows, /, swap [22:24] i only have windows installed on my work box so i can play quake4 (because it doesn't work natively with radeonhd yet) [22:24] hey Old_Fogie [22:25] yes? [22:25] Tue Feb 19 2008 Fedora Release Engineering - 1.4.0-5 [22:25] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] Action: danc3 wanders off to wait for n00b hour to be over [22:25] see what i mean? [22:25] Necos, I see ubunut, debian, mandriva are all using "homemade" patches for the CVE, and just looked at imlib2 sourceforge page just now, and it's still not fixed. That's just ridiculous. [22:26] to bad there is not a live Slackware cd to try it out on my laptop [22:26] yeah, that's fail [22:26] there is [22:26] well, there's slax, which is about as close as you're gonna get [22:26] where [22:26] google it [22:26] doing that now [22:27] apparently, danc3 must be super-l33t... [22:27] village_ (i=village@kudu.in-berlin.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:27] like last time when i said there was no such thing as schnozberries and someone was like "omg you didn't google" and i was like "omgfail!" [22:27] failberries [22:27] ... and then this one time...in band camp :) [22:27] but yeah, whenever i used extended partitions in windows, it was always problematic [22:27] Old_Fogie: :P [22:27] Action: TwinReverb stabs Old_Fogie with a clarinet [22:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [22:28] so i just opted to use primary partitions [22:28] Necos, heh, if you went past 120 mg it sure was [22:28] TwinReverb, haaha [22:28] lol [22:28] Action: TwinReverb hangs Old_Fogie by his guitar strings [22:28] eh, 120 gig [22:28] yeah, stupid 32bit LBA addressing bug thingy >.> [22:28] Does it have kde desktop [22:28] runpain2: no idea [22:29] runpain2, not that i remember (xfce) but it's been a while [22:29] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:29] read their web page [22:29] I remember good old win 2k, had a 200 gig drive in their...win 2k booted up, ran checkdsik on the extended partitions, said it would fix it..oh it fixed it all right. made every file on there unuseable with out 48lba patch [22:29] yes it does [22:29] ; [22:29] hahahahaha [22:29] Old_Fogie: yeah, i remember the shock factor from my first 160GB hd [22:30] checkfail /f [22:30] Necos, yup [22:30] 100% 450MB 26.5MB/s 00:17 :) [22:30] it was also in XP and XPSP1... i think it was fixed in XPSP1a [22:31] fail pack 1 [22:31] lol [22:31] looking back, i can't figure out why people put up with windows this long [22:32] probably ignorance as to an alternative [22:32] cuz they have "buy in" with money and time, and have no desire to learn something new [22:32] and since their friends and family are as well, it's the sheep syndrome over n over. [22:32] village (i=village@kudu.in-berlin.de) joined ##slackware. [22:33] more like lemmings [22:33] heh... [22:33] afk chow [22:34] But, I, like many people here have expressed before, find if you give them linux, and use it yourself, they'll try it out, and usually stick with it, even if it's the second pc in the house, or on a spare partition, you'll find they use it for sure and stick with it. [22:34] well, i'd like to see you get grandma to use slackware, say 6-7 yrs ago [22:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:34] the reason why people put up with windows so long is because the alternatives sucked ass [22:35] Necos, I'm a grandpa, and I would not have used Slack 10, or 10.1 for sure. I admit that. 10.2 was difficult (thank heavens for dropline at the time) and the forums. [22:35] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:35] i started with slack 7 lol [22:35] But, I can assure you, there are many Grandpa's and Grandma's in my area now using Slackware :) [22:35] lol [22:35] am i the only one who thinks we should drop the defensive shields? a supurlitive suggestion sir with only two minor drawbacks. 1) we dont have any defensive shields, and 2) we dont have any defensive shields. [22:36] i started with slack -1 beat that [22:36] i started somewhere before 10... [22:36] and the heat is still off in this building :( [22:36] but i was using RH4 or something like that before then [22:36] its 15'F outside :/ [22:36] edman007, dorms? heat's off? [22:37] Old_Fogie: "Slackware... It's fixed income friendly." [22:37] Old_Fogie, yea...something happened, and the heat guys have been in a steaming whole the whole day while we get no heat [22:37] s/wh/h/ [22:37] i'd like to be in a steaming hole ymself [22:37] lol [22:37] XGizzmo_, you got that right my friend. All of my friends,family, etc love not having to buy antivirus, and firewalls. Now the tuff part is, getting them to give me a few bucks to mail to Mr. V. They're all cheapskates. [22:37] Old_Fogie, normally they just leave the heat on the "crazy hot" setting so you are warm with its -10'F and the window is open... [22:38] lol Necos [22:38] err nullboy [22:38] lol [22:38] edman007, ah I see. sounds like something went awry. hope it get's back on there for you. [22:38] comp_ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:38] Old_Fogie, i just need to start compiling something... [22:39] hey edman007, this is one of the few times where you can use the body-heat gimmick ;) [22:39] Necos, hmm..there are some girls across the hall too... [22:39] ding ding! [22:39] lol [22:40] but its friday night, i doubt any of em are in the dorms [22:40] ^_~ [22:40] well shit man, stop doubting and get to fact-finding! [22:40] alright! [22:40] fuct-finding, even [22:40] haha [22:41] pretty good ubuntu vs linux comparisons charts : http://www.tuxradar.com/node/33 [22:41] s/ubuntu vs windows [22:41] ubuntu vs linux? [22:41] lol [22:41] ok [22:41] straterra, had a moment I did :) [22:41] did anyone see the kde4 video from zdnet.au earlier today? [22:41] Old_Fogie, is that like candy vs chocolate? because i like chocolate candy... [22:42] hahah [22:42] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:42] and why the hell does kde4 look like windows 7? >.> [22:42] or windows 7 look like kde4... [22:43] or both make robot ai go haywire from circular logic... [22:43] with this slax cd can i install it to my laptop and add modules later like i do in ubun2 using snyaptic [22:43] this is not a slax help channel [22:43] runpain2: here's an idea... TRY IT AND SEE [22:43] no, based on is not equal to [22:44] did..he just say.. ubun2? [22:44] hahahaha [22:44] You saved ONE FREAKING LETTER [22:44] LOL [22:44] straterra, hahah I just saw that 2 [22:44] type the t and the u [22:44] e2kb (n=e2kb@201-34-128-234.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:44] Action: Old_Fogie hides [22:45] sotrage server done inux server02 2.6.28.4-SRV #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 6 19:23:44 PST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [22:45] nice box [22:45] ok ok i get it Clowns [22:46] ;p [22:46] at least you capitialized it for us, thanks [22:46] lol [22:46] lol [22:46] now you may go [22:46] we are through with you sir. you are free to /part [22:47] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176074069.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [22:47] so long and thanks for all the fish [22:47] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:47] nullboy: i see you have yourself a good trusty Tea Cooker :P [22:47] epic heat output [22:47] i would like to give Slackware a try is this part of it slax? [22:48] runpain2: nope [22:48] move along [22:48] no relasonship [22:48] runpain2: you are not cut out for slackware [22:48] i said that slax was about as close as you're going to get to a live-cd-based slackware... [22:48] sorry some here suggested it [22:48] i didn't say there was a relationship lol [22:48] runpain2, slax is a fork (non-related in anyway or relationship) of Slackware, it's not supported here, nor are any other forks of Slackware. [22:48] runpain2: the n00buntu channel is over there ---------------> [22:49] ok sorry about the confussion [22:49] runpain2, it's ok, [22:49] runpain2, noone would know that if they're new [22:49] iam new here [22:49] unless they had done a little research first, of course [22:49] runpain2, boot the slax if you like it, use it. it'll give you a feel (but not 100%) of what Slackware will do for you. But no, it wont install Slackware for you. [22:50] also my typing is bad i am one handed [22:50] danc3: i understand that you're an experienced slacker, but goddamn why do you insist on being such a fucktard? [22:50] eh? [22:50] who's being a f***tard? [22:50] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] you just fling around insults as if you weren't a newbie once... [22:51] i will contine to down load slackware as i have it in ktorrent [22:51] Necos: when I was a newbie, I had sense enough to look up a few things myself, and try things out, and lurk a little before opening my mouth... [22:52] some of us are a little slower than you danc3 [22:52] well, that's certainly true [22:52] but doesn't change the fact that you should try to help yourself first [22:52] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] so mercy tryumps over judgement [22:52] or do a little work on your own [22:53] honest questions / statements, albeit misguided, should be re-guided, not insulted... [22:53] runpain2, for the most part, any live cd of any linux distro these days, that is current in their software they include on the cd, will give you an idea if your hardware is supported by the kernel linux or not. dare I say, if you even loaded in ubuntu live cd, and your pc worked, video, sound, etc then you should be safe to assume that it will work in Slackware too. [22:53] Thanks Old_Fogie [22:53] yw [22:53] altho, tough love is sometimes needed, it's usually the exception and not the rule [22:53] heh [22:53] i have Ubuntu CE on this laptop now [22:54] runpain2, ah ok and how did it fair for you? [22:54] anyways, i'm just happy i got my NXT brick programmed finally =p [22:54] it works great after a few addjustments [22:54] with wireless [22:54] runpain2, ok great. are the drives partitioned already? [22:54] yes [22:54] runpain2, that may be the only gotcha [22:55] runpain2, ah so you'll be fine then [22:55] i have windowsxppro and ubuntu loaded here [22:55] epic fail on my part for not realizing that USB devices require root access to be written too... [22:55] runpain2, read over the slackbook before you install, and you'll be fine. [22:55] that i will doo Old_Fogie [22:56] i have cracked winxp pro VLK edition. and a VLK generator [22:56] awesomest thing ever [22:56] lol [22:56] spook, stop trolling [22:56] it seems hard at first but i will work with it [22:56] Necos: huh? I write to a thumb drive all the time, as a normal user [22:56] Necos: how is that trolling? [22:57] usb devices certainly do *NOT* require root access to write to [22:57] to write to the NXT brick, it's only allowed as root [22:57] it validates using WGA. [22:57] i guess i could just set nbc to setuid root and leave it tho [22:57] spook, trying to find out what i am about i think [22:57] Necos: you didn't say "NXT brick" in your statement, you said "usb devices" [22:58] yeah, it's connected to my desktop via usb >.> [22:58] right, but you said that "usb devices" require root access, and that simply is not true [22:58] yeah, and it was my mistake [22:59] i really want to use slackware cause i read it is good with yahoo im [22:59] hmmmm? [22:59] Necos: just trying to prevent the n00bs from getting misleading information.... ;) [22:59] lol [22:59] ass [22:59] :p [22:59] heh [22:59] it's all good... i'm never 100% correct :) [22:59] biatche (i=biatche@unaffiliated/biatche) left irc: "bye bye" [23:00] ahhh, but don't forget..... that ........... I am. [23:00] my wife uses yahoo Im on here laptop to talk and play a game they use in yahoo Im called litria [23:00] lol danc3, no... but you're getting up there :p [23:00] runpain2: slackware is no better or worse "with yahoo" than any other linux distro [23:00] My wife and her daughter are handicapped and her daugther lives outa state [23:00] runpain2: lol.. slackware does not do any special magic to support yahoo IM.. it ships the same apps that all the other (and more userfreindly distroes) do [23:01] hmmm, maybe i need to play with my udev settings [23:01] i know my fuse mounted external hdd with ntfs won't let me write as user [23:01] and my fat32 formatted usb key does the same [23:01] i cant get Yahoo im to work with the others the dependesy arnt there [23:01] ntfs..... do you have write ability in the kernel? [23:01] likely not.... [23:01] yeah [23:02] ok [23:02] that was the first thing i doublechecked [23:02] runpain2: have you configured what repo to use? [23:02] but that's on my work comp, so i wont get to check it out til monday [23:02] pretty risky business, there (writing to ntfs). Why do it? [23:02] the fuse module works fine [23:02] i have tried alot of repos [23:02] because we needed 2GB+ file storage on that drive (750GB) [23:02] runpain2, do you mean the old yahoo messenger that yahoo has available for linux? [23:03] runpain2, if so that doesnt work on any distro I know of anymore. [23:03] 9 [23:03] wait [23:03] and it's shared by myself and my coworkers that run windows [23:03] runpain2, use kopete or pidgin, both in Slackware, work out of box for yahoo. [23:03] Necos: probably just need to edit the fstab line for those drives... something like "umask=0,user" should fix that [23:03] ah, i always mount them by hand [23:04] ok, use that in the mount command then [23:04] i forgot about umask [23:04] that's the magic bullet [23:04] as well as "user" [23:04] instead of "owner" [23:05] not sure about the ntfs access, as I don't do ntfs [23:05] in my udev settings for my NXT brick, i even set the dev node to +rw, but it would only write when i did it as root [23:06] I don't have any drives polluted with that filesystem [23:06] lol [23:06] well, the fuse driver has worked flawlessly thus far [23:06] Old_Fogie, the game they play is only in Yahoo IM [23:06] "user" will fix that root issue [23:06] biatche (i=biatche@60.52.53.144) joined ##slackware. [23:06] the brick is never mounted, just written over using libusb [23:06] written / read [23:07] runpain2, ah I see. no the yahoo games in the instant messenger don't work in linux at all. maybe the windows version of yahoo works in 'wine' but I dont know. [23:07] libglib1.2 is installed on my computer but the debian package installer says not there [23:07] debian package? [23:07] ummmm [23:07] you might need libglib1.2-dev or something >.> [23:08] or maybe it's looking for libglib2 [23:08] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] colud be but i am to tierd to night and my wife needs her rest for tomorrow she has Multiple sclroses [23:09] God bless yall till tomorrow bye [23:09] right on... take care [23:09] thanks [23:09] - [23:09] o [23:09] _O_ [23:09] runpain2 (n=runpain2@tx-67-77-198-165.dyn.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] whew [23:10] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [23:10] http://bricxcc.sourceforge.net/nbc/ <--- this is what i've been using instead of the mindstorms software [23:10] well, just nbc, since the bricx command center only works in windows [23:11] http://bricxcc.sourceforge.net/nbc/doc/nxtlinux.txt <--- this has the udev script i use [23:13] ya know... my brain says to me... "why did i bother with the chmod o-rwx?" [23:13] since i'm the only one that would be writing to it when i connect it [23:15] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.63) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.63) joined ##slackware. [23:22] anyway, after i ran the nbc compiler as root, my brick beeped, and i was able to run my program [23:23] and it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... nerd task #1 was complete for the day [23:25] Necos: Thanks for reminding me, I've been meaning to download NQC for my RCX. [23:26] NQC isn't really used much anymore... NBC is really nice tho... similar enough to C that it's easy to get started (and it behaves very similar to NQC) [23:27] oh, and nbc will compile nqc code too, i think [23:27] :P http://www.foundshit.com/tag/tongue/ [23:27] hba (n=hba@189.188.147.150) left irc: "leaving" [23:28] NBC is nice, but it doesn't appear to support RCX. [23:29] oh well poop >.> [23:29] Of course, I have no guarantees, but if it builds, I should be okay. [23:29] the science department gave us one of their mindstorms robots to play with [23:30] so i wanted to see if i could get it programmed using linux, as opposed to the mindstorms software [23:30] Oh, I understand wholeheartedly. [23:31] it's nice working IT for a high school sometimes lol [23:31] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:31] LabVIEW + Lego NXT is pretty bad ass [23:32] but ummmm, i don't have access to it ^_^ [23:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [23:33] we're an inner-city school... we do get cool toys every-so-often tho [23:34] it's part of the MESA program, i think [23:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:35] oh, the thing i was thinking of was NXC jkwood [23:35] Speaking of coming from secret government programs... Hi, nullboy! [23:35] o hai [23:36] it must suck to live in the high desert right now... [23:36] lol [23:36] it's been dumping out here on the coast all day [23:36] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:36] this storm came in right here [23:36] you're in ventura tho... oh, that's where the fall was... lol [23:36] it's just wet though, not really cold [23:36] body shops are happy as hell when it rains tho [23:37] so are towing companies [23:37] and now that i've given $240 to the shop, they're happy too >.> [23:38] damn spark plug wires were more expensive than the damn distributor cap >.> [23:39] /home/ashe/dl/idws/04. Beatles - Beatles For Sale [23:39] oops [23:39] >.> [23:39] fail [23:39] sorry, accidentally hit paste [23:39] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:39] does anyone know where i can get a REALLY offensive fortune file? i have looked around online and have found very little...i need a bigger db [23:40] >.> [23:40] and the award for most random question of the day goes to... [23:41] lol [23:41] Action: andarius says consult the oracle [23:43] so in the slackware pkgs available is there mythtv pkgs [23:43] slackbuilds.org >.> [23:43] http://packages.slackware.it/ <-- one can easily find out ... [23:44] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/mythtv/ <--- here i'll even make it easy for ya :) [23:45] dartmouth: you could try this: http://fauxascii.com/linux/mod_quotes.html [23:50] ok [23:50] well now if I can just get the dvd image down and burned I will be fine [23:51] meow~~ [23:52] ya know, i wonder if i can catch a stray cat in this rain with food lol [23:54] Action: andarius prefers to use lasers and stun guns [23:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:57] lol [23:59] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Sat Feb 7 2009