[00:01] my eee was shipped yesterday! got a 1000ha, excited to install slack on it [00:01] lucky you [00:01] how much was it? [00:02] around 380 [00:02] amazon [00:02] i got the same model for $460 cad, about 380 usd [00:02] i found it at another site for 350 but had amazon gift cards [00:02] did you have a rebate? [00:03] ya im thinking about getting a ssd for it but should prob wait till they get better/cheaper [00:03] no, no rebate [00:03] i'm dying for the price of ssd to come down [00:03] i bought mine a week before i saw asus had a 40$ rebate [00:03] o i didnt know about that i'll have to look into it [00:03] my ipod is dead in the water [00:03] o actually tank-man i did see that on another site, it expired 12/31 [00:04] yea [00:05] hiptobecubic: which model? [00:05] sdd is pretty cheap now [00:05] 4g [00:06] OCZ makes a 30gb for $75 on newegg [00:06] 30gb sounds like some odd size :) [00:06] vs 32 [00:06] hiptobecubic: My 3rd gen crashed but luckily my 2nd gen nano has been pretty good to me [00:07] ya i know i was wondering why they did 30 rather than the standard 32 [00:07] korupt3d, it's an hd issue [00:07] korupt3d, is that so? [00:07] what size is it? [00:07] 2.5 or 1.8? [00:07] ipods need 1.8 [00:08] my 3rd gen was an hd issue also, my nano is 4gb [00:08] i already replaced my hd once, put a 60gb in it [00:08] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there is nothing quite like breaking 180 mph on the highway in something you built" [00:08] 2.5 [00:08] but hdd's just aren't that great for "in my pocket" use [00:09] ya thats why i love that the eees come w/ sd slot [00:11] When installing mysql [00:12] when I do mysqladmin -u root -h localhost password 'password' [00:12] I get an access denied error [00:12] Why is that? [00:13] wow, newegg's not even selling 1.8" ssd right now [00:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [00:13] redtricycle, are you using "password" as the password? [00:14] its probably no password [00:14] What was your IP again? ;) [00:14] tank-man: no, I've set a password [00:14] marra (n=marra@ieee-sb1.cc.fer.hr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] hiptobecubic: probably still too expensive [00:14] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [00:15] tank-man: well, I guess it doesnt matter, I can still access the mysql database [00:15] http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=ssd+1.8&_sacat=See-All-Categories [00:16] ya still pretty expensive [00:16] i can't wait for bigger sizes/lower prices [00:17] which eee do you have? [00:17] bigger sizes is a nogo [00:17] get a laptop [00:17] by bigger sizes i meant more space [00:18] im getting an eee :) [00:18] oh mines a 160gb one. but hd [00:18] ya thats what i'm getting, just debating an ssd [00:18] swap [00:19] oh sorry though you were still talking about netbooks [00:19] ya i am haha [00:19] i'm getting an eee with a 160gb hd and thinking about swapping it for an ssd ;) [00:19] the hd is a bit noisy [00:19] i bought a 2.5" enclosure just in case i decide too [00:20] o really? [00:20] havent tried ssd but people say its not as noisy [00:20] +1 for ssd [00:20] ya ssd's are supposed to pretty much be silent i believe [00:20] uhh [00:20] ssd is solid state [00:20] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] right, so no noise correct? [00:21] does it need to be cooled? [00:21] no [00:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [00:22] the only noise i'd ever imagine hearing from an SSD drive is *maybe* noise from the power side of the device [00:22] there is not mechanical noise at all [00:22] not/no [00:22] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [00:24] some of the OCZs come with mini usb so u can use it as an external too without any enclosure or anything, kinda neat [00:24] nooper: i'd imagine the standard disk cooling rules apply, just think about how warm some USB flash sticks get during long write operations [00:24] and those usually only have 1-2 flash chips [00:25] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:25] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:26] ya just standard cooling, nothing extra is required [00:30] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[00:40] spinning platters and fragile heads ... yup they don't like motion [00:40] oh haha ya i can see that [00:42] i've done 2 windows reinstalls over the last 3 days and i have 2 more lined up [00:42] nonstop fail [00:42] icky-pooh [00:42] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-147-50.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [00:42] wow that blows i only get on windows to play NFS: Undercover [00:43] some doof at my company decided to migrate all VMware Windows VMs to Windows Virtual Server [00:43] what the hell [00:43] ... nothing like being stuck with Windows on top of Windows [00:43] lol [00:43] panni_ (i=hannes@ip-88-152-22-213.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: "( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )" [00:44] lol sneak in and replace with slack ;) [00:44] I could only wish :) [00:44] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-159-126.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] First Slackware install and ethernet worked straight out of the box. It didn't on Fedora. I am liking this distro already. [00:46] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-159-126.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:47] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:47] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [00:47] :) [00:47] macavity: yes, that was me earlier. I got pulled away immediately afterward :) [00:47] (: [00:48] dejai: yep and u will learn to love it even more :) [00:49] anyone have any good podcast recommendations? [00:49] korupt3d, What category? [00:50] korupt3d: the Jason Lewis podcast from 100.3 KTLK FM [00:55] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [00:57] supergear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:04] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:04] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:19] I am grateful for my space heater, it is really cold tonight [01:19] those things rack up the power bill [01:19] just buy an xbox 360 =) [01:19] twolf: I'm toying with the idea of kicking on the kerosene heater,heh [01:19] SiegeX: yeah but I set the regular heat really low [01:19] OTH2 (n=oth@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [01:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:19] OTH2 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: -NOEINTELLIGENCE [01:19] SiegeX, he doesn't want burn the house down [01:19] SiegeX, it racks up contracting bills [01:20] SiegeX: xbox360? I got one here, didn't notice heat, guess I'll check it out? [01:20] Oh yeah and the 360 requires ear plugs for the noise [01:20] haha [01:20] noise? wow, maybe since mines new still no issues? [01:20] heh, yet. /me knocks wood. [01:21] I don't have one but my brothers makes a horiblie sound [01:21] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [01:21] Old_Fogie, if yours is new you'll probably alright. i think the beta testing on everyone is over [01:21] my xbox one was noisy, and hot tho for sure [01:21] i'm leaving out little words here and there. I don't know going on. :D [01:21] I saw a device in the store a 'cooler' for the 360 and scratched my head when Isaw it. [01:22] those intercoolers voide the warranty [01:22] LSD`: ah ok [01:22] when you see a "grinder" then you can start scratching [01:22] which you want to keep for when the X360 inevitably gives you the RRoD [01:22] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] lol [01:22] i've heard about this [01:22] I can tell you, the xbox 360 remote control *stinks* tho. it almost needs perfect line of sight to be used. [01:23] The PS3 one is bluetooth apparently. Not how I'd have done it but meh [01:23] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Yeah, you can go 20' away from the 360 straight line of sight, it's fine. but go 1 foot to the left (or right) and 1 foot away and it dont work at all. [01:24] ps3 is better cause it can run linux! [01:24] lol [01:24] can't the 360 as well? [01:24] no linux on the 360 yet uh? [01:24] You can't do anything particularly interesting with Linux on it though [01:24] i know regular xb can [01:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] hiptobecubic: it's such a fiasco figuring out how to do linux on xbox 1. I read a few websites and said the heck with it. [01:25] i just use the controller for playing videos [01:25] if you can run linux on the PS3, I wonder if you can get MythTV working on it too ? [01:25] heh,you really only get "one" shot ya know [01:25] i thought i saw a video of linux kernel booting up on the 360 but that was as far as they got i think [01:26] it was like a teaser [01:26] Free60 [01:26] We're still using the controller here too but like the PS2 it's clunky and horrible compared with a proper remote [01:27] ya, i have it programmed into my Logitech Harmony which works really well, but usually the controller is closer in reach [01:27] I had to take an aspiring to lower reduce my chance of heart attack when I saw what the xbox wireless nic cost, woh! [01:27] s/aspirin [01:28] hey does the xbox 360 do WPA yet? [01:28] MS aren't doing a pack with it included yet? [01:28] nullboy: ya, but i dont think it does WPA-2 [01:29] SiegeX: will all models to wpa? i have a client who wants me to setup an xb360 with is wifi [01:29] LSD`: not that I'm aware of [01:29] wpa would be acceptable, compared to wep [01:30] for ~70$ for the nic it better do wpa [01:30] korupt3d: agreed [01:30] and then some... [01:30] 360 doesn't do wireless out of the box? [01:30] yeah, it should do wpa-2 [01:30] twolf: nope [01:30] damn [01:30] alkos333 (n=alkos333@75.57.66.85) joined ##slackware. [01:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:30] nullboy: i have a 1st gen [01:30] so ya [01:30] ps3 does :) [01:31] WPA-2 *and* ROT-13, both at the same time! [01:31] unfortunately i have neither... [01:31] it *may* support WPA2 now with the latest NXE dash [01:31] SiegeX: nice thanks [01:31] I am glad I went with the wii, especially now that I figured out how to stream video to the wii [01:31] but im hooked up to enet now [01:31] so not sure [01:31] ohh ya i forgot MS did that whole dash upgrade [01:31] anyone seen the google phones out now ? [01:31] one cool thing it does do is netflix streaming [01:31] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-163-218.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] twolf: yea I may pick one of them up too [01:31] google phone or google android os on phones? [01:32] android on phones [01:32] ya it seems neat, especially being open source. id like to play around w/ it [01:33] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [01:33] a buddy of mine at work just got one today - I didn't get much of a look at it, but from what I saw it seems like the iPhone doesn't have anything on it [01:33] well maybe i should check it out then since i am running out of things to install and play w/ on my iphone [01:37] anyone know how the atom processor is with cracking passwords/ other processor heavy stuff? [01:37] never tried to crack a password, sorry [01:38] korupt3d: I haven't compile with it yet on my acer; but from a cpu standpoint it seems snappy. The limiting factor I think on that pc is that I only get 50 mbs from hdparm -tT dev/sda on it. [01:39] Old_Fogie: is that with a ssd? [01:39] twolf: no , sata drive ( I should've clarified that now I think of it) [01:39] Old_Fogie: ok, im getting an eee (shipped today) so i was hoping it would be a little faster than this p4 2.8ghz box im running now [01:40] with rarcrack im only getting ~6 pwds/sec [01:40] I have messed with an eee and it seemed ok, pretty spoiled by my thinkpad though [01:40] I havent put phoronix benchmark suite on it, but I've been meaning too [01:42] twolf: you know, at first I felt lost with the small screen, but given the fact that gnome,kde,xfce can all do full screen, and _many_ workspaces, and keybinds (along with xbindkeys) man I'm loving it. Only odd thing is home/end key usage. [01:42] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.245) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [01:42] compiling gtkmm would be a great test - huge source files with tons of dependencies - CPU is just nailed compared to disk IO ... this little Celeron is being ate for breakfast [01:42] Old_Fogie: what size is your screen? [01:43] rk4n3: yea that's so true, that gtkmm is a pita. [01:43] indeed [01:43] korupt3d: umm, 1024x600 iirc [01:43] Old_Fogie: i meant in inches, sorry shoulda specified [01:43] korupt3d: what ever it is that intel dictates, they dont allow bigger than what's on the dell/acer/eeee per their licensing [01:44] otherwise, it'd bite their laptop business [01:44] so intel forced the size, and that's that [01:44] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [01:45] I don't mind a small screen - I just need good resolution - I have an older Dell that has a 14" LCD that does 1600x1200 - I love it [01:45] oh, didn't know that [01:46] ya i hate my dell LCD. only 1024x768 [01:46] korupt3d: yeah there was an article out this wekk about it, (i'm not an insider, heh) think it was at cnet rss [01:46] *week [01:46] I got fat fingers, the small keyboars bother me, the 12" x series thinkpads are perfect for me, although pricey [01:47] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] gimp runs really well on it, even when editing a 8.5x11 600 dpi file (which is huge) [01:47] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Construct the objective! [01:48] xfce or gnome is the way to go on the small screen imo, kde is tuff. can't access many of their tabs on tabs on tabs and ok / cancels in their settigns dialogs [01:48] byteframe: construct it yourself :P [01:49] byteframe: as if you leave it to me, it becomes "obstruckt the objective" ;-P [01:49] ya i was planning on using/needing xfce on it [01:49] korupt3d: yea xfce scales gret [01:49] merverferker (n=merverfe@ppp-70-248-1-32.dsl.amrltx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] konfound the kaptors!!! [01:50] indeed [01:50] korupt3d: I'm hoping to try 12.2 on it this week (if I ever get my packages built for 12.2); I can get the r8169 onbaord nic to work in 12.1; so we'll see. [01:50] nullify the nullifications! [01:50] s/I can get / I can't get [01:51] Old_Fogie: r8169 works like a champ here?!? [01:51] Old_Fogie not sure about the Acer but heard the wireless works ootb on the Asus with 12.2 but the ethernet still needs a driver [01:51] Old_Fogie: and im still on 12.1 [01:52] I have yet to use the ethernet on my laptop [01:52] macavity: it's some kind of monkey boy r8169; I mean it's seen by the kernel as r8169; but its some kind of varient as lspci is a little off w.r.t the way a regular r8169 is. [01:52] r0otSlinky (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] twolf: i hear that [01:52] Old_Fogie: a mutant r8169? :P [01:53] haha yeah maybe when u get it working it will be SUPER good [01:53] macavity: yeah I think so. gentoo wiki says to use sources from realtek website, but on 12.1 it didn't work for me ; could've been PEBKAC [01:54] teenage mutant ninja realtecs :P [01:54] I've come to really not appreciate wireless - I've had to sit in so many useless meetings waiting for people's laptops to struggle past their wireless lobotomies that I'm just jaded about it [01:54] macavity: hhaha [01:54] guitarma14 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:54] rk4n3: hehe [01:55] Old_Fogie: observe that some of the networking structs changed with .27.x, so every network related patch is either pre or post .27 [01:55] alright, getting late, night all [01:55] lucky for me the wireless in my laptop with slackware has always worked well [01:55] merverferker (n=merverfe@ppp-70-248-1-32.dsl.amrltx.swbell.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:55] macavity: ok I'll keep that in mind [01:55] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:55] Old_Fogie: so perhaps you will succeede on 12.2 [01:55] twolf: seems like rare luck to me [01:56] intel 3945 card [01:56] macavity: on 12.1 when I install, I have to chroot in before I reboot; and blackliste the r8169; else I segfault and dead lock up on first/and/or/any boot into slack 12.1 with that teenage mutant ninja realtek card [01:57] twolf: heh - I'm definitely not an expert - I assume that's a good card - but I imagine WAP has to have something to do with it too... [01:57] besides the ucode and their reluctance to accept specific rates set directly with iwconfig, iwp3945 cards are pretty good [01:58] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [01:58] Old_Fogie: ouch man :-/ [01:58] Old_Fogie: how long did that take you to figure that one out? [01:58] macavity: yes..so in lieu of that, I just install a 2.6.27.X kernel on install and leve it at that [01:58] macavity: I booted up debian on a thumdrive and check the logs [01:59] wonder why the debian didnt choke... [01:59] I could've used slackware to boot, but it only has VI for text files (and I dont use vi) :) [01:59] why does it only have vi ? [01:59] Old_Fogie: ?!?!?!? no vi ?!?!? blasphemy :) [01:59] oh 12.1 [01:59] macavity: I dont know to be honest why debian didnt choke [01:59] perhaps it doesnt load network modules untill you ask it? [02:00] macavity: but I really dont want debian on there, as debian has a tendency to have high disk usage, and I really want the acer to be snappy [02:00] macavity: yeah dunno [02:00] rk4n3: yes notepad.exe for the win :D [02:00] debian base system is like 500mb [02:00] Old_Fogie: lol [02:00] debian has a tendnecy of have high fill-in-the-blank usage.... [02:01] macavity: :) [02:01] s/of/to/ [02:01] kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@62.120.131.181) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Havent figured out how the 'linpus' fedora fork get's the wireless lights to work either, but that's no big deal. [02:02] acpi? [02:02] Old_Fogie, have you read the spec sheet for your chipset yet? [02:02] don't know [02:02] less lights == less battery [02:02] i did, and it was enlightening [02:02] TwinReverb: the proc you mean? [02:02] at least to the point where i could use the search function to find out if i really had anything or not [02:02] no, spec sheet [02:03] like mine is an intel 82801DB chipset (ICH4) so i went to intel's website and downloaded the spec sheet PDF [02:03] well what caught your eye? [02:03] which was specific down to the signal and the wire it traveled on [02:03] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [02:03] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:03] nothing, really, just that i could search for stuff [02:04] like i found out that my chipset does NOT support HPET so i didn't add it, but i found out that it does support RTC_CMOS so i enabled that [02:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] oh ok, yeah I'll check it out [02:04] and i found out that it mine uses the iTCO watchdog, etc you get the point [02:04] TwinReverb: how old is it? [02:04] yes I do [02:04] but what really caught my eye was the Toshiba ACPI thing [02:04] ICH4 is 2004 [02:04] makes sense not to have hpet then [02:05] when i finally figured out the help on it (i had misinterpreted the first paragraph) i made a lot of cool stuff available [02:05] yeah it said it only supports the old-school 8254 or whatever [02:05] basically i sat there for about 30 minutes going back and forth between make menuconfig an xpdf foo.pdf and searched for eveything there [02:06] i also looked at the flags in /proc/cpuino and went and tracked down what each of those are [02:06] mostly extended intruction sets [02:06] i also shut off SMP/SMT/SMC and enabled the local APIC, which did a lot o good [02:06] yeah [02:06] covered by choosing the right cpu family [02:07] well that's the thing: the kernel config doesn't auto-select other stuff just due to the CPU you chose (at least it doesn't appear to) [02:07] like mine understands PATs and MTRRs and i noticed that PATs was not automatically selected when i selected Pentium-M [02:07] yeah i mean it covers the instruction sets [02:07] not the extra stuff like hpet [02:07] i'd hope so [02:07] well i was talking about PATs [02:08] PAE isnt covered either :) [02:08] flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe bts est tm2 [02:08] that's grep flags /proc/cpuinfo [02:08] mine understands pats and apic and neither was selected automagically by selecting pentium-M [02:08] in fact the dumb thing kept SMP enabled. i do not know of a dual core Pentium-M dothan. [02:09] much less if you select your actual CPU then it should in theory also disable "generic x86" but i won't go there [02:09] flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr sse4_1 lahf_lm [02:09] i have more flags than you ^_^ [02:09] spook, which processor is that? [02:09] looks like core 2 duo [02:09] intel core 2 quad q9450 [02:09] ah [02:09] note the vmx ^_^ [02:10] what's that? [02:10] vmx is kernel virutalization iirc? [02:10] yes [02:10] flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc pni cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate [02:10] ah, nice [02:10] ... that's an AMD Phenom X4 9850 [02:10] rk4n3, turion x64 x2? [02:10] oh [02:10] only found that out last week, had been using it for like 4 months. [02:11] rk4n3, how is your experience with the phenom in terms of power and battery life? [02:11] i'm getting a phenom x3 8xxx for a job, yay for cheap paravirtualisation [02:11] TwinReverb: I don't believe the Phenom is available for any laptops ... [02:11] the phenom doesn't do vmx? [02:12] it does svm [02:12] TwinReverb: but that quad-core 9850 kicks serious ass [02:12] which is the flag for AMD-V [02:12] spook: aha I see [02:12] Old_Fogie: yeah, the AMD VT is svm [02:12] svm = semi vm ? [02:12] paravirt? [02:12] nah, its a full virt instruction set - I don't know what the letters actually stand for [02:12] how does vmx = VT-X [02:13] I was really impressed with the 9850 and 9950 machines I messed with, kick the crap out of anything I have [02:13] twolf: unfortunately they arent 45nm are they? [02:13] spook: nope, amd has 45s coming out now though [02:14] q9450 is 45nm, its really really awesome. [02:14] stock cooler is tiny. [02:14] I never stick with stock cooler [02:14] you can get some wicked sick overclocks on 45nm because intels process is just really good, heat wise [02:15] like 4ghz [02:15] sweet [02:15] what the hell are you guys talking about [02:15] I am still on old school amd stuff for my desktop [02:15] but thats with dry ice or liquid n [02:15] paravirt? [02:15] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [02:16] I got a x2 5400 and it does everthing I ask it too, really cheap too [02:16] eat this! fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse up [02:16] my understanding is that the Phenom has the same shared on-die memory controller architecture that the opteron does, which I think buys you more performance than a few clock cycles ... [02:16] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [02:16] i have an athlon x2 4200 i'm trying to turn into a file server [02:16] :D [02:17] Old_Fogie: you dont even have sse2 !!! [02:17] spook: :) [02:17] can you tell what it is? [02:17] i second Old_Fogie [02:17] its an intel [02:17] lol mmx [02:17] probally a... pentium 3? [02:17] hiptobecubic: that's right "With MMX technorogy" [02:18] spook: you got it :) [02:18] :D [02:18] cpu MHz : 868.665 [02:18] cache size : 256 KB [02:18] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] bogomips : 1737.33 [02:18] Action: spook has two pentium 3 laptops [02:18] Old_Fogie, where are you looking for those stats [02:18] bogomips are delicious i hear [02:18] hiptobecubic: I did 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' [02:18] /proc/cpuinfo [02:18] I am probably going to wait another year to step up to quad core [02:18] ah ok [02:19] Action: Old_Fogie wonders if he should kick on the *older* boxes and really freak these guys out [02:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:19] Action: spook used to have a working 486... until it stopped working like 4 years ago [02:19] I still got an amd 750 thunderbird doing it's thing [02:19] I have one that works, but I gotta get a better quad speed cdrom for it [02:20] spook: ^^ [02:20] twolf: yeah they were good [02:20] are good [02:20] I still have a Sun sparc IPC with an original sparc I chip in it [02:20] ... its about as fast as a 386 was [02:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] sounds like a jet though [02:20] hehe [02:20] rk4n3: or should we say 'as slow as' .. :) [02:20] Old_Fogie: hehe - righto :) [02:20] I still have a 66mhz box working, a 166 and a 266 all working [02:21] slack 12.1 on them (one has bsd on it) [02:21] too [02:21] nice [02:21] <300mhz is still a great file server imo. [02:21] cool - I also have a Mac II - tiny black-n-white screen all in the same box with the computer ... 3MB HD with MS Word for Mac 1.0 still on it [02:21] well for home use at least, makes a great rsync box, and slapt-get repo holder [02:22] rk4n3: yes the tower was in the monitor in them iirc right? [02:22] I got an apple IIe but it hasn't been booted in over 15 years [02:22] all in one [02:22] Old_Fogie: that's right - if you could call it a tower - more like a shoebox :) [02:22] Action: spook has a pentium 4 3ghz for a firewall/router/local slack mirror/virtual host [02:22] hahah yeah, they were nice tho [02:23] spook: woh, that's an animal for that work no? [02:23] yeah - it had a built-in RJ-45 ethernet port [02:23] ... way cool [02:23] rk4n3: oh yeah? wow [02:23] Old_Fogie: its running a few virtual servers [02:23] in qemu [02:23] oh ok, yeah that'll work it then for sure [02:23] it used to have a rtl8139 too [02:27] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:28] hmmm, kvm troubles [02:28] wormwood (n=bearpers@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] hi [02:28] Nick change: wormwood -> smax [02:28] is today the inigguration ? [02:28] using -net nic -net tap i'm getting TUNGETIFF ioctl() failed: Invalid argument. it still starts up but tap interface doesnt get any traffic on host end [02:29] if you're a wormwood weirdo, keep walking [02:29] slackboy: is today the inigguration ? [02:29] spook: nah, i was just watching the history channel. [02:29] smax: he only talks if you change your name to smax_away [02:29] and i think it sound catchy [02:30] spook: fuck you nigger. [02:30] or smax_is_gay [02:30] STOPLAY (n=paradox@89-215-126-208.2073229903.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [02:30] twolf: fuck you nigger. [02:30] smax: yeah nice knowing you. [02:30] yeah ok. [02:30] (fuck'n nigger) [02:30] OP? [02:30] Nick change: smax -> albinoN1gger [02:30] lol [02:30] trolls these days don't even understand humor [02:31] macavity: how did the cooking go? [02:31] Nick change: albinoN1gger -> trolln1gger [02:31] is today the inigguration ? [02:31] Nick change: trolln1gger -> treasuretroll [02:31] Action: Old_Fogie can hear the sounds of the hammer warming up [02:31] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] spook: as usual.. i conquered :P [02:31] do you need medical attention? it seems like you might be having a stroke [02:31] STOPLAY (n=paradox@89-215-126-208.2073229903.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:32] http://hiphappy.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/kkk_rally_amarillo.jpg [02:32] Inauguration is in 14 days [02:32] dont feed the troll [02:32] smax/treasuretroll: crack is bad for you [02:32] http://www.kelticklankirk.com/KKK_Knight_Bible_and_Fiery_Cross.jpg [02:32] macavity: can you feed me? [02:33] can you feed my butt? [02:33] when you eat rump roast... you're eating a cows butt. [02:33] so why do you guys like resolving dependancies by hand? [02:33] spook: if you come by some time, i can assure you that hospitality is our credo [02:33] Nick change: treasuretroll -> smax [02:33] why do you guys like the extra typing ? [02:33] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:33] compiling from scrach is such a waste of time. [02:34] don't you's have anything better to do? [02:34] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] or do you just want to look l337. [02:34] is that the only reason to run slackware, to look 1337 ? [02:34] rworkman, rob0, alienBOB: now would be a good time to come by... [02:34] I run slackware to look 1337 [02:34] thats gay. [02:34] =P [02:34] i look 1337 by getting work done. [02:35] and not fussing with stoopid linux shit. [02:35] kubuntu! [02:35] macavity: whats your speciality? [02:35] smax: maybe you should run "trollbunut" [02:35] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:35] a fork for trolls [02:35] i run christianbuntu [02:36] i run slackware because this community is nearly idiot free... and when the next OP look in here again, we will be all idiot free again for a while.. untill some other member of your retarded troll family cant figure out its smartest to stay in your own sandbox [02:36] Action: smax loves jesus [02:36] do you guys love jesus ? [02:36] smax, no you don't [02:36] slackware sucks. [02:36] so do you.. [02:36] no it don't [02:36] TwinReverb: just ignore him [02:36] i want to convert all of you [02:36] so kubuntuists [02:36] to what? idiotix? [02:36] spook, i already messaged all the opz [02:36] the opz can suck my anus. i always cum back. [02:36] macavity: whats your favourite dish to make? [02:37] Nick change: smax -> nickn1gger [02:37] the opz can suck my anus. i always cum back. [02:37] why do you choose to compile programs from scratch? that sucks. [02:37] why spend all day compiling a program. [02:37] id rather be running it. [02:37] spook: something with plenty of only-almost-dead-but-blood-dripping-cow :P [02:38] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:38] spook: but generally i cook traditional Danish dishes: meat, gravy/sauce and two kinds of veggies [02:39] Conflict_80: do you like compiling programs from scratch. and resolving depandancies by hand ? [02:39] are you danish? [02:39] yes [02:39] nickn1gger: how do you think your ubunut get's built? [02:39] cool. [02:39] LOL [02:39] hehe i have done it over the easy way from time to time [02:39] Old_Fogie++ [02:39] Old_Fogie: i use apt-get to do that tedious stuff. [02:40] nickn1gger: you got teeth like Shuttleworth too I presume? [02:40] nickn1gger: well then.. dont you have something to apt-get? [02:40] apt-get a life [02:40] what's goin on here lol [02:40] Conflict_80: troll [02:40] apt-get nigger [02:40] ohlordy [02:41] lol [02:41] look out nigger, tha Klan is gett'n bigger. [02:41] life depends on: clue-2.0.5, sense-1.5.2 but conflicts with community-9.43.19 [02:41] do you mean fatter? [02:41] macavity: hahaha [02:42] do I need to compile irssi with perl support? [02:42] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "real life is pure shit" [02:42] Otherwise, I wont have it? [02:42] redtricycle: irssi is in slackware stock. [02:42] once i tried to upgrade PHP on debian.. but was told that the new package was in conflict with the running kernel [02:42] redtricycle: slackware comes with irssi with perl enabled [02:42] ... apt-get asked me if i wanted to remove the offending package :P [02:42] lol [02:42] twolf: Why, when I do /load, perl doesnt show up? [02:43] THAT would have looked good in the bugzilla [02:43] wonder what would have happened if you said yes [02:43] it is compiled with --with-perl-lib=vendor stock [02:43] are there any niggers here? [02:43] redtricycle: check your irssi config? [02:43] and in the evening news: apt-get no longer likes Linus Torvalds! [02:43] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-232-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] http://www.popandpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/kkk.jpg [02:43] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] nickn1gger: just out of curiousity.. you wouldnt happen to be NTFS? [02:44] we need more ops [02:45] people who can't get laid tend to lash out as trolls on irc [02:45] just leave him alone [02:45] at least ops who are active in this time zone [02:45] he'll get bored soon [02:45] can i be an op ? [02:45] apt-get remove nickn1gger [02:46] libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-A5xCmr6Fx8: Connection refused [02:46] What's the problem, here? [02:46] Whats wrong with my dbus? [02:46] good question [02:46] it appears the linux shit is fucked. [02:46] since when was a network socket a regular file?!? [02:46] sockets are file descriptors [02:47] we know... [02:47] we knew when you were still in dipers [02:47] you think he isn't now? [02:47] i just shit my pants [02:47] short of the "are" which reads "has" [02:47] obviously [02:47] well you ask a stoopid question, you get a stoopid answer macavity [02:47] read it again [02:48] i said "regular file" [02:48] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:48] mabey it's a pipe [02:48] you can't really try to convince someone who answers you with "i just shit my pants" of any point you may be trying to make [02:48] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] lmao [02:49] i just took a runny shit [02:49] can someone ping me? [02:49] smells like beer. [02:49] So I can check if my libnotify works [02:49] ping nigger [02:49] redtricycle: test [02:49] doesnt work for myself T_T [02:49] redtricycle: i just did [02:49] redtricycle: CTCP ping that is [02:50] Ohh.... [02:50] I meant use my nick [02:50] thank you [02:50] Hmm...I guess this still isnt working [02:50] macavity: unix domain sockets are files [02:50] i dont have the error anymore, it was b/c my perl wasnt loaded (i think) [02:50] Now, perl is laoded [02:50] loaded* [02:50] sweet [02:50] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:51] redtricycle: i just pinged your real adress too [02:51] who here is a nigger. [02:51] becuase i hate niggers. [02:51] Action: nickn1gger hates niggers. [02:52] are albino niggers... still niggers ? [02:52] well, there's my problem [02:52] notify-send doesnt even work [02:53] whats notify-send ? [02:53] apt-get remove it, then apt-get install it [02:53] Action: nickn1gger likes wearing his ass as a hat. [02:53] slackboy: are you a nigger? [02:53] Nick change: nickn1gger -> smax [02:53] :P [02:54] you guys ever hear of ku klux kanevil ? [02:54] he jumped 50 blacks with a steam roller. [02:55] win 31 [02:56] Stx: are you around? [02:56] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "brb" [02:56] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Nick change: smax -> KuKluxKnievel [02:59] Tyrael (n=bart@c89222.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:59] slackboy: you there? faggot? [02:59] slackboy: i'll kick your ass... nigger. [03:00] ops [03:00] ops i'll kick your nigger asses. [03:00] lol [03:01] didnt know a gay person like KuKluxKnievel could even hit a nigger [03:01] Tyrael: shut up nigger. [03:01] I'm sensing some tension [03:01] your nick sounds nigger. [03:01] Mr. Nigger for you [03:01] and come and get me [03:01] Tyrael: teeth on the curb nigger. by the order of the Ku Klux Klan. [03:02] WHITE POWER! [03:02] think you would like a thick black .... in your arse [03:02] already got 2. [03:02] o.O [03:02] you just have talks, just come here and show the action [03:02] in both ears. [03:02] Tyrael: at least i have a cool nick [03:02] and not something nigger. [03:02] at least im white. [03:03] ##slackware: mode change '+b %KuKluxKnievel!*@*' by Stx!i=stx@freenode/staff/stx [03:03] that you know shit about who and what Tyrael is [03:03] Stx: thx :-) [03:03] Stx: 70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net is probably more like it [03:03] KuKluxKnievel (n=bearpers@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) left irc: K-lined [03:03] ty stx [03:03] ah :P [03:03] lol, even klined [03:03] Okay, o kay! [03:03] hehe [03:03] :D [03:03] someone use my name [03:03] LOL!! [03:03] redtricycle: test [03:04] I think I got it to work, using notification-daemon [03:04] for xfce [03:04] Stx: awesome! :P [03:04] redtricycle: foo [03:04] sladegen: thanks! [03:04] it works!! [03:04] Okay, I can sleep now [03:04] i was trying to get him glined. [03:04] macavity: ;o) [03:04] and I was about to tell him about the meaning of my nick [03:05] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net' by Stx!i=stx@freenode/staff/stx [03:05] it doesn't have anything to do with nexus 6, does it? [03:05] permbans are nice :P [03:06] Tyrael = Archangel of abstractness [03:06] glines are better... [03:06] not sure wether that is a dynamic host or not, I only set the kline to last for 2k minutes, hence using a ban too incase he was thinking of coming back when Im not around. [03:06] my IRC-fu is not that good.. i dont know the diffrence between gline and kline? [03:06] also an Archangel in the game series of Diablo [03:07] macavity: its merely a difference of ircd, they are the same. [03:07] okies [03:07] ircu uses gline while hyperion for example uses klines. [03:07] Stx: can you oline me? :P [03:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] can these different ircds work together in the same network? [03:08] sure! [03:08] macavity: no [03:08] one network = 1 ircd. [03:08] ?!? [03:09] but, but... freenode has, what, 20 different nodes?!? [03:09] running the same software, I presume [03:09] but all are running hyperion [03:09] yes. [03:09] roger [03:09] i should really learn more about IRC.. after all, i spend an unreasonable amount of time using it :P [03:10] but quakenet, ircnet for example uses other ircds, with different channel modes, user modes etc. [03:10] supergear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:10] (tho most of them remain unchanged; the standard ones) [03:10] that makes sense [03:11] christel (i=christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel) joined ##slackware. [03:11] then networks like gamesurge use extensions on top of the ircd [03:11] well, thats merely the ircd being able to run modules. [03:11] like unrealircd. [03:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:12] it would be a fun programming excercise to write an ircd [03:12] no it wouldnt :P [03:12] being able to load it on the fly without ever having to restart the ircd. [03:12] i wrote a tiny httpd once [03:13] using inspircd at home at the moment [03:13] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] wow.. how many are there?!? [03:13] Action: macavity goes to WP [03:13] alot [03:13] quite a few; but I wouldnt want to run half of those. [03:13] kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@62.120.131.181) left irc: Connection timed out [03:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:15] wow.. wikipedia never ceases to amaze me :P [03:16] Action: macavity starts studying IRC in greater detail [03:19] SILC has been sort of interesting to follow ... [03:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [03:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:23] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [03:24] WP says that k-line is only server wide, whereas g-line is network wide.. is this a mistake, or is hyperion just different in this regard? [03:25] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:26] hyperion is different in that regard. - but a few ircds are. [03:27] lol.. hyperion is listed on WP as under "obsolete servers" [03:27] in hyperion, whenever a kline is set, it is propagated (given to) the other servers so that they kline the host/ip to - and so it is global. [03:28] hyperion: to be replaced by ircd-seven [03:28] macavity: it's code is no longer re-written, since we are going to use ircd-seven instead [03:28] sherique (n=se@ppp-69-155-234-217.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: [03:28] roger [03:31] Stx: do you know why hyperion was given up? [03:32] macavity: because it wont do when we are incorporating the new features [03:32] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:32] and a few other reasons. [03:33] lets hope its some good coders hacking on it :-) [03:34] is ircd-seven a fork of ircd-2.8 or some such? [03:34] *irc2.8 [03:35] it's based on charybdis [03:37] i see why [03:39] from the tech stand point it seems to have the better coverage [03:41] and i see that the things charybdis lacks are already under "done" int the ircd-seven TODO [03:48] sherique (n=e@ppp-69-155-234-217.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] woh, these fonts are nice : http://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/ [03:52] grah tap [03:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:53] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:54] Poona (i=80de2515@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6862ba8eadf65b52) joined ##slackware. [03:54] If I do openvt [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] I can switch between my virtual consoles. Similarly inside an X server session, can I open the pseudo terminals(konsoles) and then switch between those terminals? [03:54] no [03:55] use screen [03:55] screen is what I am trying to avoid [03:55] screen is what you need [03:55] but screen must be doing this somehow at the background right [04:01] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:04] Poona (i=80de2515@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6862ba8eadf65b52) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [04:05] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [04:06] rtorrent's virtual mem size is bigger than my ram size! [04:06] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:07] where do I put ttf files? [04:08] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] and can slackware use it on the cli only tty? [04:08] nooper: virtual mem isnt always alocated [04:09] jescis: in a font directory somewhere [04:09] mib_ulj3om (i=7aa7dc40@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4bcb9c683db3a744) joined ##slackware. [04:10] hi ... how do I make slackware run wireless ... the slackbook says something about a key .. but when I type in the password that I use it says invalid input [04:10] use wicd [04:11] Politics: shif-ctrl-n [04:11] eek.. left [04:11] there is no slackbuild for it ? [04:11] macavity, that was whack!! [04:12] what was what? [04:12] ohh it is there in /extra [04:12] :) [04:12] macavity, I pressed ctrl-shift-n >.> [04:12] /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf might have something relevant [04:12] jescis: in konsole? [04:13] macavity, I use irssi on the tty [04:13] macavity: you only need shift + left/right [04:14] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [04:14] spook: huh? that only works if you have more than one open.. and from what i gather Poona was asking (in his own kinda way) of how to do that [04:14] oh [04:14] jescis: tty == out of X [04:14] oh righto [04:15] vor_ (n=vor@bzq-79-176-40-229.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] i thought he wanted to be able to get at his pttys like he can get at the virtual terminals [04:15] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:16] that is technically what happens in konsole/yakuake when you open new "tabs" :P [04:16] s/pttys/pts/ though [04:17] a pty is a BSD relic iirc [04:17] he wants to do what screen does, without screen, as far as i could gather [04:17] ahh.. i didnt realize that the missing space was not a missing space :P [04:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] man openvt [04:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:17] eeek, fail :P [04:18] macavity, for music, web browsing, and graphic related things I use X. otherwise I'm on a tty [04:18] jescis: with yakuake you have the best of both worlds [04:19] jescis: ive set mine to take up all the screen space when it is down [04:19] jescis: that way i am only a single key-press away from either cli or KDE [04:19] I like tty though :( [04:20] Action: jescis hugs his tty [04:20] and what exactly is the difference between the linux console and a proper terminal emulator? [04:20] dngr (n=dngr@pcd342183.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:20] .. besides that the terminal emulator is much faster in scrolling [04:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@75.57.66.85) left irc: Connection timed out [04:20] and you can actually set the scroll buffer to a much higher value :) [04:22] just learn more about a given X terminal, and you'll be better off in the long run. find what you like, and learn how to take advantage of it [04:22] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:23] jescis: http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5683/snapshot2en3.jpg [04:25] jescis: observe that i switch between the open terminals with shift+left or shit+right, which is a much shorter reach than ctrl-Fx [04:25] mib_ulj3om (i=7aa7dc40@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4bcb9c683db3a744) left ##slackware. [04:25] until you get thirty or so tabs, like i tend to do on a regular basis :) [04:26] i just use xfce terminal [04:26] that screenshot looks very close to what i see on my screen right now [04:26] Action: spook has like 30 screens [04:26] although i think it has drawing issues [04:26] ananke: green on black is your fetish too? :P [04:26] macavity : not quite :) [04:27] the text is so much bigger on the tty's though [04:27] i'm always green on black :D [04:27] jescis: you are aware that i deside my own text size, right? [04:27] and jescis you can set fontsize manually [04:27] jescis: its called configuration [04:28] http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotif9.jpg is my [04:28] desktop [04:28] Well maybe I'm just to old fashioned for all of you [04:28] [actually, my laptop] [04:28] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:29] jescis, nope, you're just too stuck in the past. some of us have been using terminals longer than you have, and we have learned about better options [04:29] ananke: SuSE?!? [04:29] now that I have the ttf fonts in the font folder. can the tty font be changed to it? [04:30] http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4161/screenshotif9.jpg <- better link [04:30] you cant use ttf fonts on the console [04:30] macavity : yep [04:30] everytime i change tabs in firefox, mplayer skips :S [04:30] ananke: you are a very perverted man, did you know that? :P [04:30] macavity : i don't hide the fact that i use suse for desktops/workstations [04:31] and servers [04:31] can a process with RUID=0 but EUID!=0 set itss EUID to 0 if it gets exploited? [04:31] s/itss/it's [04:31] that you dont hide it doesnt change the fact that you are perverted :P [04:31] macavity: you're one to talk [04:31] you just not closet-perverted ;-) [04:31] spook: i'm kinky.. there is a distinction you know *sniff* :P [04:32] macavity: do you swing? [04:32] nope [04:32] ananke, I might not ever used a real terminal. But that doesn't mean I'm not old fashioned. [04:33] i am strictly mono, and i expect my partner to be likewise [04:33] jescis: its all cool if you want to use the hard terminal [04:34] jescis: but if you use it because you dont know how to set up a terminal emulator, it IS kind of rediculus not to just ask how to do it ;-) [04:35] ananke, example: I was born in '77, but I like music from the early 1900's on up. Also I beleive in going on dates and giving flowers and chocolates to the girl on said date. [04:35] granted, most terminal emulators look outright stupid in their default configuration [04:35] jescis: congrats, we are of the same age :P [04:36] macavity: my other half keeps asking if i want a mistress. getting huge mixed signals [04:36] spook: communication is key to fullfilment [04:37] oh fsck.. i missread that word as "female top" [04:37] right... you should ask her about what she litterally means :P [04:38] macavity, I know I could configure a (X) terminal. the first assumption you had was more on why I like tty over the terminal. [04:38] what do you think i've been doing [04:38] 1.21 jiggawatts! [04:38] :P [04:38] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:39] jescis: ok [04:40] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [04:40] macavity: we had a good time on saturday night, i'm still sore :P [04:40] you like to bottom? [04:40] uh...? [04:41] s/bottom/be topped/? [04:41] or are we totally on different pages wrt what the topic is? [04:41] i think so [04:42] define the term mistress in this context? [04:42] women other than my spouse who i conduct purely sexual acts with [04:42] someone who puts a leash on you and treats you to the crop? [04:42] ah, ok :P [04:42] if anything the reverse [04:43] macavity, Besides servers with X == stupid.. Plus I liked DOS(Disk Operating System) before I ever used a PC with windoze. [04:43] jescis: ok [04:43] a server that runs an xclient != stupid [04:44] spook, try ubuntu server [04:44] a server that runs an, uhm... x server... sure.. that doesnt make any sense at all [04:44] >.< [04:44] uhmm, what stops you from setting those servers into runlevel 3? [04:44] jescis: xserver is the user interactive part of the xwindows system [04:45] spook: technically there is nothing called xwindows... [04:45] speaking of servers, time to go to work. damn 5AM maintenance window [04:45] lol [04:45] ananke: cacht you later [04:45] macavity: x windowing system? [04:45] ananke: have fun :P [04:45] better :-) [04:46] ananke, I have my own server I admin. [04:46] at any time [04:47] spook: just ask her if its because she wants to watch... or if its because you are doing her too often and she would like to share the "burden" with someone else ;-) [04:47] macavity: she wouldnt say, even under tortue. [04:48] may have been because she was enjoying it too much tho. [04:49] hmmm.. the perpetual dilemma of the Top... when to use no punishment as punishment :P [04:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:51] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [04:51] macavity: its hard :) [04:52] demand transparency? [04:52] howso? [04:52] PM? [04:53] sure [04:53] must I close the terminal to get it to use new fonts? [04:54] i just told you, you cant use ttf fonts in the linux console [04:55] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-163-218.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:55] macavity, in the terminal in kde not tty [04:56] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Action: jescis actually uses both. ;) [04:56] foureyes879 (n=don@97-113-189-126.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] terminal emulators use fixed width fonts [04:58] fixed width? are ttf's dynamic width fonts then? [04:59] yes normally [04:59] sevard (n=sev@192.235.0.85) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:00] dios_mio, what about the Apple2forever ttf fonts? [05:01] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:01] one basically the same as the other except to make one look 80 col vs. 40 col. [05:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on %KuKluxKnievel!*@* expired. [05:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b %KuKluxKnievel!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:05] jescis, only fixed fonts in terminals [05:06] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net expired. [05:06] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@70.44.206.203.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:07] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:20] Angelic4 (n=angelic4@athedsl-192320.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[05:49] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:49] hiptobecubic^: why wouldnt it be? [05:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-253983.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:52] hello [05:52] spook, who knows what i'd done [05:53] hiptobecubic^: you need it for multiuser... :P [05:55] Carlows (n=carlos@189.8.192.4) joined ##slackware. [05:57] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.173.46.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:01] schenkel (n=schenkel@189-72-2-27.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Action: ktabic decides to go the custom kernel route again [06:05] ktabic, Hope you could bring us good news [06:08] laters folks [06:10] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:13] is there a command for restarting the xfce-panels without having to restart x? [06:13] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. 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[06:21] hiptobecubic^: then killall xfce4-panel && xfce4-panel & it is [06:21] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [06:22] _mr_S (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:24] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:25] spook, macavity I saw the k-line but afaik that is only for the one nick he was using at the time. For good measure I also put a ban on *!*bearper*@*brd.ptd.net which I hope is generic enough [06:25] cool :) [06:26] alienBOB: i'm having trouble with kvm, i'm using -net tap, the tap interface and eth0 are bridged. everything is working fine, guest can get to the network, so can the host. but the guest cant reach the host, and visa-versa. [06:27] iptables has no rules, the chains are all accept. [06:27] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[07:43] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:43] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [07:44] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:48] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: [07:49] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "[BX] They killed Kenny! THOSE BASTARDS!" [07:49] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [07:50] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.85.52) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Old_Fogie: can you help me get compiz going? [07:56] it keeps saying complaining about the composite extension [07:56] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [07:56] spook, I'm able to get it working, but I'm not an authority, but I can try and give ya a shot ya [07:57] i've added the extensions section to xorg.conf [07:57] spook, first let me ask what video card are we talking here? [07:57] nvidia 9600gt [07:57] oh that should do it yea [07:57] using the latest nvidia driver [07:57] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:57] ok how are you trying to run it? [07:57] i start up fusion-icon, as that starts compiz [07:58] ok good you build that :) [07:58] yeah [07:58] that makes it easier, heh [07:58] spook, ok you're using 24 bit depth color ? [07:58] yes. [07:58] doesnt support 32 [07:58] in can work in 16 but limited [07:58] s/it can [07:59] ok close out the fusion-icon in tray right..and launch it from an xterm [07:59] it'll spam some stuff when you try and enable and such [07:59] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [07:59] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [08:00] yeah thats how i know compiz still wants composite, running it from a terminal [08:00] now, have on the icon for window manager you choose compiz-fusion and for theme you choose emerald. [08:00] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:00] now for emerald to work, you have to go into the compiz fusion settings manager , did you build that? [08:00] yes [08:01] but compiz says this nvidia-xconfig --composite --render-accel --add-argb-glx-visuals --allow-glx-with-composite [08:01] erm [08:01] compiz (core) - Fatal: No composite extension [08:02] give me one sec let me see if I can find my xorg of my nvidia [08:02] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [08:02] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-116-055.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:02] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:03] i wonder, is xinerama going to override composite or something? [08:03] i have been running pretty much a fresh install for a couple days, and I just learned about slackpkg. should i run it to do system upgrade? [08:03] # added for compiz per their wiki ( http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/NVIDIA ): [08:03] Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" [08:03] that's in my xorg.conf spook [08:04] did you add that spook ? [08:04] I have that in : Section "Device" [08:04] vinnie_: edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors then run slackpkg update, then run slackpkg upgrade-all, it will give you an ncurses list of packages [08:05] Old_Fogie: yeah i've got that [08:05] i wish i would have known about slackpkg sooner [08:05] spook: thanx [08:06] spook, do you have : Section "ServerFlags" [08:06] Option "AIGLX" "on" [08:06] EndSection [08:06] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [08:07] no [08:08] anythign else? [08:09] I have to manually declare that, some people claim they don't but I do. It was never show as being kicked on in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [08:09] yeah i dont see anything about aiglx in xorg.log [08:09] and this: you got this? Section "Extensions" [08:09] # Option "Composite" "Enable" [08:09] EndSection [08:09] yes [08:09] ok [08:10] but yours is commented out? [08:10] your in video group right? [08:10] spook, no it's not,,paste error [08:10] yeah i have permissions [08:10] i also have an option there to disable on the fly commented out, i delted it here to paste, but left it on accident [08:10] spook, and "glxinfo |grep render" shows 'yes' [08:12] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@151.83.8.210) joined ##slackware. [08:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-250.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Salve a tutti [08:12] Old_Fogie: yes [08:12] hello Dr4kk4r [08:13] ShiftWreck (n=Dope@adsl-75-21-101-220.dsl.rcfril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:14] toytoy_ (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [08:14] spook, and your build order was like this : http://pastebin.com/d28cf6e81 [08:14] Nick change: toytoy_ -> toytoy [08:14] yes [08:14] i followed the order on slackbuilds [08:15] okay time to restart x.. [08:15] yea this is odd [08:15] spook: i only had 2 upgrades that I use often. That was firefox, and thunderbird. Is it ok to keep old config files for those? [08:15] nope. still no luck [08:16] vinnie_: diff them [08:16] spook, did you confirm that you have the decorations option as yes in the settings manager for compiz? [08:16] spook: whats that and how may i ask? [08:16] spook, and look at the hyperlink I pasted for their site for the nvidia too [08:17] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-194911.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [08:17] Old_Fogie: "Window Decoration" ? [08:17] vinnie_, I'd recommend backing up the ~/.thunderbird (I believe that's what it uses) and ~/.mozilla directoris. Going from 3.0.4 let's say to 3.0.5 firefox is ok, but going form 2.XX to 3.XX firefox is no good [08:18] spook, yes something like that I'm not on compz box here [08:18] Old_Fogie: still no composite extension [08:18] grah [08:18] look at their site? [08:18] spook: ok... ty [08:19] spook, and fwiw, on my one box that I have radeon using fglrx, I have to tell it use compiz, then tell it metacity/kwin..then say compiz again...dont know why. I got enable compiz..then kde..then compiz-fusion again. don't know why [08:19] dont knwo why I typed same shit there either heh [08:19] Action: Old_Fogie puts down the crack pipe [08:21] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@151.83.8.210) left irc: "Leaving" [08:21] who gets "alsa underrun" error? [08:21] dios_mio, never had it [08:23] dios_mio, is it in let's say , kde only (since kde has arts sound server) or when some app uses the sound. [08:25] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [08:26] Old_Fogie: i'll try turning xinerama off [08:27] vvor__ (n=vvor@bzq-79-179-112-92.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] Old_Fogie, no it happens in console with mpg123 [08:27] anyone from denmark? [08:27] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:28] please i need a translation [08:28] :) [08:28] vvor__ (n=vvor@bzq-79-179-112-92.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:28] dios_mio, tried 'madplay' on the file at all? [08:29] Old_Fogie, no [08:30] Old_Fogie: the answer is you cant do composite with xinerama [08:30] because now it works [08:30] nevermind i sorted it [08:30] spook, oh ok didn't know that [08:30] spook, glad to here it's working :) [08:30] ^_^ [08:32] allend (n=allend@124-168-39-55.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:32] now i know... :( [08:33] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.228) joined ##slackware. [08:33] surprising that you can't have it running on one screen of the two ya know [08:34] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:34] with xinerama off, i have two kde sessions [08:35] enabling compiz on one apparently enabled it on the second [08:37] kama (n=kama@host97-94-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[08:57] you can try slackbuilds.org [08:57] if it isn't there.. than it doesn't exist [08:57] oh apparently its in-kernel [08:57] duh [08:57] heh [08:58] Dominian: werent you creating an sbo for slamd64? is it done? [08:58] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] sahko: eh.. it is.. and it isn't... [08:58] :) [08:58] the interface is crappy right now and the backend code is far from done. [08:58] going to work with fred when he has time to go over some of the code [08:59] tribeca (n=vedo@host86-173-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:59] ah, just checking:) [08:59] no problem [08:59] I may end up re-writing it [08:59] as it is usinb MDB2.. and it pisses me off [09:01] sahko: preview.slackadelic.com [09:01] that's where the "code" is right now [09:02] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-1068.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:03] the look is mighty fine [09:06] schenkel (n=schenkel@189-72-2-27.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:07] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:08] Kerio2004 (n=Port@92.48.33.243) joined ##slackware. [09:08] allend (n=allend@124-168-39-55.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:08] exmachina (n=exmachin@user133-93.wireless.utoronto.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:09] anyone here familiar with kexec/ [09:09] what about it? [09:09] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:10] sahko: well thaat's good to hear [09:10] sahko: I'm going to work on it more at some point.. I have to figure out approval stuff etc.. shouldn't be "too" hard.. just complicated in my head right now hehe [09:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:14] straterra, i can't get my crash kernel to load under x [09:14] straterra, but it works in console [09:14] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:14] I've set my kernel to be relocatable [09:15] straterra, so CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START shouldn't matter, right? [09:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:16] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host188-113-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:16] pedro2311 (i=1000@189.7.148.97) joined ##slackware. [09:16] crash kernel? [09:17] straterra, a crash kernel is automatically loaded on a kernel panic, or sysrq-C [09:17] ntoskern? [09:18] er... no via kdump [09:19] basically kexec -p /path/to/crash-kernel loads your crash kernel [09:19] and then when you have a sysrq-C or kernel panic [09:19] the crash kernel gets loaded [09:19] er.. booted [09:21] anyone set up xen on a slackware 12.?? [09:22] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:23] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-6db73c553b22ea41) joined ##slackware. [09:23] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Mac_Fly (n=Mac_Fly@hurin.dream.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:25] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Mac_Fly (n=Mac_Fly@hurin.dream.net.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:39] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-253983.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:42] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [09:46] exmachina (n=exmachin@user133-93.wireless.utoronto.ca) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.228) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:51] th4uros (n=guilherm@unaffiliated/th4uros) joined ##slackware. [09:51] tarde [09:53] dngr (n=dngr@n219078039133.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [09:56] MReimer_ (n=chatzill@p4FD4AA03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:58] For anyone, who is interested: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/testxdgopen.html [09:58] Slackware 12.2 has a configuration which may trick people to execute any code, an attacker wants him to execute. [10:01] that's intended behaviour. [10:01] and not really a huge problem. [10:01] instead of linking to a .desktop file, they could link to a .pl file, for example [10:03] MReimer_: did you send a mail upstream? [10:04] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.145) joined ##slackware. [10:05] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [10:06] seems to me this is wrong "Slackware 12.2 has a configuration which may trick people to execute any code" <--- Slackware doesnt trick people. [10:07] I think its just someone wanting to have "glory" by showing up in thne changelog personally. [10:07] josemanuel (n=josemanu@42.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:08] hmm, doesnt do anything here ; then again I compile my own :) [10:08] @sahko Yes, but I'm unsure if he reads my mails. [10:08] what's it supposed to do anyway [10:08] a better description would be that "people may click a link and might not get what they expect" [10:09] conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:09] @Dominian I'm not interested in any way to get listed in any changelog. I just think, that it's a good idea, to let people know, that they have a insecure configuration. [10:10] MReimer_, what's it supposed to do? [10:10] that's a "user being fail" issue - it clearly says it's not actually a .pdf - I don't see how it's different to, for example, on windows, saying that it's an insecure issue that you can download a file called "foo.pdf.exe" [10:10] Old_Fogie: wait your turn please . dont be impatient :P [10:10] Patrick links some filetypes to "xdg-open", if the "xdg-utils" package is installed. [10:10] *insecure configuration [10:10] But xdg-open is something like "execute whatever you got". [10:11] So if someone sends a .desktop file with the MIME-type "application/pdf", and the user just keeps the Firefox-default (use default application), then he executes the .desktop file. [10:11] xdg-open is 0755 ? not as root [10:11] MReimer_: ok? The user shouldn't download and execute random stuff [10:12] And: No, it wouldn't work for a .pl file. I tried that. xdg-open just opens the default editor for those files. [10:12] I dont see how its an issue. [10:12] well what's different than clicking on a link and get a text editor open using 'gnome-open' or kmfclient (or whatever kde calls it); that's dumb [10:12] straterra: The point is, that the *default* selection in Firefox executes the file. Users, that don't know much about filetypes and just trust in Firefox may easily get a problem in this case. [10:13] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] MReimer_: That's their own fault. they clicked on the file. As soon as they did that and knowingly accepted binary code from an untrusted source..all bets are off [10:13] Not anyone is a hacker, like some of us are ;-) [10:14] Action: fred still doesn't see it as any different to idiots clicking "open" on "foo.pdf.exe" files in windows [10:14] IMHO only trusted applications belong into the /etc/mailcap file. Means: Applications where users may securely view files with. [10:14] Action: _chess_ agrees with fred [10:14] straterra: if someone clicks a link to a .txt file, and firefox says "open with default application", people don't usually expect a binary file [10:14] JippsiKing (i=JippsiKi@gateway/tor/x-51304d8f7f54a17c) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Phenox (n=Bernd@213.23.133.130) joined ##slackware. [10:14] -JippsiKing:##slackware- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg JippsiKing identify . [10:14] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [10:15] qartis: again..they agreed to accept data on to their machine from an outside source. [10:15] fred: Firefox has a built-in blacklist for some file extensions to not allow to execute them. Even Internet Explorer has a security warning, if the user tries to execute a file from internet. [10:15] Their own fault [10:15] JippsiKing (i=JippsiKi@gateway/tor/x-51304d8f7f54a17c) left irc: Killed by Dave2 () [10:15] MReimer_: then a better complaint might be that .desktop files should be added to that blacklist in upstream firefox [10:15] That does not mean it can't be corrected, just because they accepted data to their computer, and got duped, doesn't mean it isn't worth safeguarding. [10:15] Why should firefox have to fix silly /etc/mailcap configurations? [10:16] straterra: so what's the point of "open with default application"? with this issue, you can never trust that [10:16] You have to expect user silliness ;) [10:16] conflict_80: Then unplug the network [10:16] MUST PROTECT AGAINST ZOMGEVERYTHINGZ [10:16] lol that's an "i dont want to be bothered with it" answer [10:16] take out the rm command [10:16] Someone might delete a file they didn't want to [10:17] User stupidity is user stupidity. [10:17] But they don't do that by just telling firefox to open a "maybe PDF file" with the default application. An average user doesn't even know what "xdg-open" is. [10:17] many other distributions don't add those entries to mailcap, and I suspect pat will change it [10:17] My Slackware isn't vulnerable [10:18] Adobe Acrobat tries to open the file [10:18] Mine isn't vulnerable, too. The fix: Just kill /etc/mailcap. [10:18] ... and uninstall xdg-utils. [10:18] better kill xdg [10:19] straterra: and files that firefox doesn't know about? have you never seen firefox suggest the "default application"? [10:19] Ok..and it TELLS YOU what application its going to use [10:19] varzan (n=razvan@79.114.164.212) joined ##slackware. [10:19] It's not black magic [10:19] no, it doesn't [10:19] it passes them to xdg-open [10:19] that's the point [10:19] Just a moment [10:20] Pat could create a mailcap file, prefilled with *trusted* applications. AFAIK, he wants KDE to be the default, so why not default audio/* to amarok, PDF to kpdf, image/* to gqview, ... [10:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [10:20] Does he have something like kaffeine in his KDE? If not, then maybe xine for video/* [10:21] FF3 doesn't even prompt me to open it..just to save [10:21] Do you have Slackware 12.2? Do you have xdg-utils installed? [10:21] Does /etc/mailcap exist? [10:22] FF3 doesn't even prompt me to open it..just to save [10:22] straterra: are you suggesting that firefox 3 no longer prompts to open files? [10:22] Maybe you pre-selected this for application/pdf in Firefox. [10:23] The feature in Firefox is OK. The bug is, that xdg-open is *no* trusted application to blindly open files from internet, with. [10:23] qartis: I'm suggesting what I just said. [10:23] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] straterra: then what's your point? because it does prompt to open by default [10:23] Phenox_ (n=Bernd@213.23.133.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:24] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:24] <_chess_> I am at work on windows and just clicked that link in FF on Windows and it opened up Adobe Reader. [10:24] I'm surprised people are calling this intended behavior and defending it [10:24] it's just a mistake, and it should be corrected [10:25] [] blame microsoft [] blame isp [] blame bush [] pebkac [10:25] xdg-open wasn't meant to be a catch-all execute utility that programs use as a last resort to execute a file [10:25] [v] blame xorg [10:26] conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:26] xorg didn't create this utility to be used by web browsers. And BTW it wasn't created by xorg at all. freedesktop.org (portland) created it. [10:27] varzan (n=razvan@79.114.164.212) left irc: "Leaving" [10:27] My 2 cents: When it comes to security, "user stupidity" is part of the whole proccess and is has to be taken into account. To presume that the user know what he is doing causes many security holes... even experienced sysadmins fails sometimes on checking or doing everything they should/could (imagine yourself spending a whole night awake without coffe ;) I don't think this should be considered intended behavior... well.... at least not a good choice for i [10:27] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@189-14-205-10.intercol.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Carlows: If the user doesn't know what they are doing..they shouldn't use the damn computer [10:28] straterra, if only users followed your advice [10:28] I don't try to lay concrete. Wanna know why? Becuase I don't know the fuck how. [10:28] yes straterra stick to laying pipe :) [10:28] I don't try to lay it..then blame someone else for letting me do it. [10:29] Exactly that's the problem. But I think even a professional user may get tricked by someone with this hole. If the link says it's a PDF and Firefox tells it's a PDF, then maybe you just hit OK and.... [10:29] varzan (n=razvan@79.114.164.212) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Action: edman007 just does not like work [10:29] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.85.52) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] :-P [10:30] If anyone of us knows exactly what he does at any time, why don't we all surf and work as root? [10:30] straterra: what about someone who's still learning how to use a computer? how much does he has to learn before he can use it and how? [10:30] Carlows: enough to accept responsibility for fucking things up. [10:30] Carlows: dependings on how many miles a man must walk before you can call him a man [10:31] That thing is limited to the user who fucked up. [10:31] On a securely configured computer, which is managed and updated by someone, he may learn directly on this machine, but xdg-open for nearly any content-type is no secure configuration! [10:31] even men may fall sometimes [10:31] smica (n=smica@h129-60.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] xdg-open blowz =| [10:31] MReimer_: well I certainly agree with you [10:31] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:31] <_chess_> MReimer_: I think that if you feel this strongly about it then you should send an email to Pat and make your case [10:32] Did so. In the first mail, I just told about the hole. In the second I sent a new doinst.sh, he could use as an template. [10:32] MReimer_, I still didnt see what that link did. Just launch adobe? [10:32] But I don't know if I already managed to get on his "blacklist of bad people" and my mail went to trash automatically ;-) [10:33] first it launches adobe, the the rockets from NASA.. [10:33] :D [10:33] xD [10:33] adobe is adobe. [10:33] ;) [10:33] Old_Fogie: It launches xdg-open, as I deliver the .desktop as "application/pdf". After that, xdg-open detects the right content-type and executes the .desktop file. [10:34] User thinks he just opens a PDF, but he opens a .desktop file with some code in it. [10:34] Well, don't opent he link [10:34] MReimer_, can you paste it again the link? [10:34] simple as that [10:34] http://prefbar.mozdev.org/testxdgopen.html [10:35] Only works in Slackware 12.2 with Firefox or SeaMonkey. AFAIK no other linux distribution uses xdg-open in /etc/mailcap, by default. [10:35] Or with SSL: https://prefbar.mozdev.org/testxdgopen.html [10:35] But the certificate doesn't belong to me. An exception is needed! [10:36] ah thats lame :-P [10:36] that didn't do shit to me. [10:36] acidchild: happy new year [10:36] And, of course, the xdg-utils package has to be installed. [10:36] happy new year to you too! [10:36] MReimer_: i do :-P [10:36] Oh, yes, happy new year to anyone, here! [10:37] acidchild: how was your trip? [10:37] It was alrite, first day back at work yesterday [10:37] getting use to the stressing feeling [10:37] alisonken1home: don't let him fool you.. he loves his job. [10:37] you mean you didn't miss the stress? :) [10:37] :) [10:37] He's the Ultimate BOFH where he works.. he loves it [10:37] bofh? [10:38] MReimer_: re suggesting just plain old kpdf: okular for kde4, xpdf for (fluxbox, xfce, ...) [10:38] pupit: google it ;) [10:38] Dominian: right on... [10:38] fred: It would be up to Patrick, what he suggests to be the default viewing applications. [10:38] or, use the freedesktop app that uses the appropriate application for th efile it's given. [10:39] Some "hard coded" applications would be much better than using xdg-open. [10:39] Dominian: bastard operator..? [10:39] fred: Which is xdg-open, and this will open anything. Even the bad things ;-) [10:40] pupit: from hell [10:40] pupit: BOFH - Bastard Operator From Hell. The Register has had an entire series about him [10:40] sorry ... i didnt know... [10:40] hehe [10:40] Think "User Friendly" from a sysadmin perspective (without the pictures) [10:40] xpdf is a pretty shitty app [10:40] yah really now [10:41] on with a _very_ interesting view to lusers^Wusers [10:41] alisonken1home: no i didn't miss the stress. [10:41] I like it, it's fast [10:41] Ya know.. I just realized... you can add "in bed" to everything said in this channel.. kind of like a fortune from a fortune cookie... [10:41] kama (n=kama@host97-94-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] haha. [10:42] 10:41 < Old_Fogie> I like it, it's fast [in bed] [10:42] That would be a good filter for irssi. [10:42] 10:41 < rob0> That would be a good filter for irssi [ in bed ] [10:42] Action: Old_Fogie sneaks up on Dominian [10:42] haha [10:42] ...in bed [10:42] yea that works [10:42] rob0: or another "noobfarm" feature hehe [10:42] O.o?! [10:42] rofl [10:42] 10:41 < acidchild> alisonken1home: no i didn't miss the stress. [10:43] 10:41 < acidchild> alisonken1home: no i didn't miss the stress [ in bed ] [10:43] my stress in my bed sir. [10:43] whoops :) [10:43] 10:40 < alisonken1home> Think "User Friendly" from a sysadmin perspective (without the pictures) [ in bed ] [10:43] ok.. that's a feature I'm going to have to implement I think [10:43] Think your mom [ in bed ] [10:43] almost noobfarm worthy [10:44] I think I'm going back to bed. [10:45] I'd think about it, but I already made the coffee [10:45] Just click the "in bed" checkbox and every quote has [ in bed ] inserted [10:45] Dominian: in bed. [10:45] lmao [10:46] yah thats pretty funny Dominian in bed [10:46] =P [10:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:46] of course this exchange is going on noobfarm [10:46] Politics makes strange bedfellows. [10:46] Noobfarming makes strange bedfellows. [10:47] Action: Old_Fogie is the man [10:47] pupit: http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ <- and don't forget to read the earlier stories as well [10:47] .. [x] in bed [10:47] lol [10:47] Old_Fogie: oops - forgot that :) [10:47] [ in bed ] [10:47] yup... [10:47] Action: Old_Fogie is the man [x] in bed [10:48] Action: Old_Fogie is now knowns as the_man_in_bed [10:48] gary numan - in cars. in bed. [10:48] hahahhha [10:48] its... sick. [10:48] in bed? [10:49] hahah [10:49] hahah /me laughs at pupit [x] in bed [10:49] WTH are all those damn geeks giggling about at their computers? [10:49] lmao [10:50] evanton (i=nobody@gateway/tor/x-c4e0a2fe95089dbd) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Action: Old_Fogie chase rob0 [x] in bed [10:50] hahah, I'm secure in my manhood, so I can joke like that [x] in bed [10:51] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:51] Action: evanton takes pictures and uploads them to youtube [10:51] howdy, slackers [10:51] howdy, slackers [X] in bed. [10:52] has anyone here got a 6to4 gateway setup? [in bed] [10:52] Action: pupit is imagining slack chanel in bed.... [10:54] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [10:55] wtf.. did I start... [10:55] I look away for 5 mins.... [10:55] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-232-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:55] /j #slackware-in-bed [10:56] what's for breakfast? [10:56] Dominian: it only takes a couple of seconds [ in bed ] [10:56] eggs [10:57] alisonken1home: hehe [10:59] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:59] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Action: Old_Fogie waits for the first person to stumble up in here, and say "can someone help me..." hhahaha, lol. [10:59] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [10:59] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [11:00] is it possible to get compiz fusion going with fluxbox? [11:00] of course [11:00] even better compiz fusion with compiz [11:01] [ in bed ] [11:01] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [11:02] haqe17: the answer is actually no. [11:02] according to fluxbox-wiki [11:02] spook: really? I thought I ran it with compiz fusion a long time ago [11:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:04] it runs with kde gnome and xfce because those are DEs [11:04] fluxbox is just a WM [11:05] Kerio2004 (n=Port@92.48.33.243) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:05] Anyone feeling helpful? Need someone who is running slack as a nameserver to do a `host antares.coldfyre.net` directly on the nameserver box [11:06] spook: ah ok sorry. But it is possible to get that minimalistic feel by running compiz fusion without a DE. I am sure of that [11:06] antares.coldfyre.net has address 174.133.183.98 [11:07] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [11:08] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] spook: tx [11:08] but wtf.. [11:08] np [11:08] i shutdown -h now at night and in the morning the computer is on, aparently it reboots during the night, any ideas? [11:08] i have two different boxes.. both say [11:08] 16:09:29 original:~$ host antares.coldfyre.net [11:08] Host antares.coldfyre.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [11:09] but theyre fine with pretty much any other address [11:09] Zordrak: is antares.coldfyre.net in your slackware dns server files? [11:09] will double check [11:09] but i dont think so or see how i could [11:09] limpio: hit it with a hammer, that'll make sure. [11:09] and do your other computers have your slackware dns server in their /etc/resolv.conf file? [11:10] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.114) joined ##slackware. [11:10] no it's not in the config or zones anywhere [11:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:10] other machines arent relevant atm [11:10] varzan (n=razvan@79.114.164.212) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:11] fyi antares.coldfyre.net is also ns1.tpa.me.uk which is my backup ns [11:11] but the primary ns (ns0.tpa.me.uk) cant resolve it [11:11] I also have a box at my parents house which is a mini slack dns server for their place [11:11] and it cant resolve antares.coldfyre.net either [11:11] is your primary setup to be authorative for coldfyre.net? [11:11] no [11:11] should pull it recursively [11:12] im only authoritative for tpa.me.uk [11:12] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:13] always get the same log result when i query [11:13] ./var/log/namedlog:06-Jan-2009 15:58:15.656 client 192.168.11.11#54035: view internal-private: query: antares.coldfyre.net IN A + [11:13] ./var/log/namedlog:06-Jan-2009 15:58:15.656 createfetch: antares.coldfyre.net A [11:13] ./var/log/namedlog:06-Jan-2009 15:58:15.725 client 192.168.11.11#56816: view internal-private: query: antares.coldfyre.net.tpa.me.uk IN A + [11:13] tries, fails, tries it with local search domain [11:14] confirmed the internal-private view has "recursion yes" [11:14] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) joined ##slackware. [11:15] MReimer_: ping [11:15] and works for pretty much anything else [11:15] qartis: pong [11:15] MReimer_: http://218.109.147.154/test.j@g [11:16] whoops [11:16] okay, refresh [11:16] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:17] Where exactly does this link point to? [11:17] Zordrak: did you use names instead of ip's for nameserver queries? ie - does your entry for ns2 (backup) in your ns1 (primary) have antares.coldfyre.net or xxx.xxx.xx.xxx? [11:18] MReimer_: just a test file to demonstrate the problem [11:18] on an affected system, it will try to run kdialog --getcolor [11:18] which could be rm -Rf ~/* [11:18] http://218.109.147.154/test2.j@g is a bit better [11:19] I'm using a unicode "p" character so the url looks pixel-for-pixel like a jpeg, and the mimetype is image/jpeg as well [11:19] what in fact uses xdg-open? [11:19] xdg-open tries to execute the file, and on kde it runs kfmclient exec $filename [11:19] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. [11:19] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.145) left irc: "0x0" [11:19] which (big flaw) assumes it's a .desktop file [11:19] right, but what on a usual system uses it? [11:20] the xdg-open [11:20] anybody use the slackbuild for virtualbox? [11:20] Old_Fogie: firefox on linux with xdg-utils installed [11:20] I know gnome needs xdg-utils [11:20] qt apps that launch external files do [11:20] qartis: Wrong: Firefox on Slackware with xdg-utils installed! [11:20] ah ok [11:20] assuming htey use QDesktopServices::openUrl() [11:20] Zordrak, do you understand about views in named.conf? [11:21] does it happen with opera? [11:21] ftp://ftp.slackware.at/slackware-12.2/source/x/xdg-utils/doinst.sh.gz [11:21] hmm, i suppose given freds' answer [11:21] and, any cross-desktop application /should/ use it to open files which it doesn't open itself. [11:21] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@189-14-205-10.intercol.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:22] and firefox isn't giving it's usual 'open, save, dialog' as it normally does? [11:22] ... to open *trusted* files, for example from hard drive, LAN and any removable media [11:22] Old_Fogie: yes, and the default action is "open" [11:22] and "open" executes the file [11:22] even though it looks like a jpeg, in every way [11:22] well I've long said here FF is retarded for mime info, and this proves my point [11:22] firefox is doing nothing wrong [11:23] the operating system is telling firefox that it knows how to safely execute the file [11:23] s/execute/open/ ;-) [11:23] but in reality the operating system is just blindly passing image/* and audio/* to xdg-open [11:23] well if it's not a jpeg...then FF is passing on wrong info no? [11:24] Old_Fogie: my server is passing the mime information [11:24] claiming it's a jpeg [11:24] FF is told by the webserver, that the file is a JPG. [11:24] firefox is doing nothing wrong [ in bed ] [11:24] ... or a PDF or whatever. [11:25] firefox listens to mailcap, and mailcap says "anything that claims to be any audio/* or image/* can be passed to xdg-open" [11:25] ah I see, huh. seems almost obvious these types of errors to keep happening no matter what then , if a server lies, your toast and no help in site I'd suppose [11:25] but xdg-open expects more discretion than that [11:26] Old_Fogie: no, because on many other distributions /etc/mailcap doesn't contain those entries [11:26] which is why this is being discussed in #slackware [11:26] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [11:27] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left irc: "leaving" [11:27] so the solution then is, what comment them out? [11:27] PsYkHe (n=joao@189.22.214.46) joined ##slackware. [11:27] The solution is to kill the whole /etc/mailcap file. It only contains such items. [11:27] either force the filetypes to go to specific programs (which will hopefully error if they get garbage data) or force the user to tell firefox how to open the file [11:28] Exactly that's the point! [11:28] to err is human [11:28] pat was just a bit overzealous when he added those [11:29] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.148.1) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Exactly! Nobody is perfect. [11:29] It would be just a problem, if Pat doesn't change his view and just says "we want it that way". [11:29] kind of scary attitudes from some people in here though.. [11:30] I'm just wondering what impacts "killing" that file does. [11:31] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:31] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [11:31] Old_Fogie: instead of this: "Open file with: [ Default Application ] [Browse..]" [11:31] Firefox not longer offers to open something with a "default application", as there is none defined in the operating system. [11:31] you see this: "Open file with: [] [Browse..]" [11:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] and if you hit OK, firefox says "sorry, you need to pick a program" [11:32] yeah debian has no xdg-open at all in it's /etc/mailcap file [11:33] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] ah ok [11:36] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [11:36] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:37] so this is only on 12.2 then, as 12.1 had no /etc/mailcap file. [11:37] qartis: the operating system is saying it knows how to open an application/pdf. [11:37] not how to open something that's not an application/pdf [11:38] Yes, but my .desktop is an "application/pdf". My webserver says so and my webserver is always right ;-) [11:39] See: wget -S --spider http://prefbar.mozdev.org/testxdgopen.html/funnypdfdocument.pdf.desktop [11:39] fred: no, the operating system is saying it can safely handle any image/* being passed to it [11:39] qartis: and the file being given is not an application/pdf or image/* [11:39] yes it is [11:39] did you try the link? [11:39] the headers say it is. [11:40] Of course, and Firefox only knows the headers, nothing else. [11:40] So, when did we start trusting what random remote servers say?@ [11:40] so firefox listens to mailcap, which says it's automatically safe to be passed to xdg-open [11:40] and xdg-open automatically executes the Exec= line of a desktop file [11:40] fred: you really still don't see this as a mistake? [11:41] I see it as a pebkac, like a windows user clicking run on "freeporn.jpg.exe" [11:41] fred: you never, ever, ever trust firefox when it says "Filetype: image/jpeg Action: Open with default application"? [11:41] fred: this file is freeporn.jpg [11:41] Actually, I don't use firefox. [11:41] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] I use konqueror which uses real mime detection [11:41] Indeed. [11:41] actually, I lie [11:41] it doesn't [11:41] Action: jkwood smiles at arora [11:41] it opens it with okular :p [11:41] konqueror ignores the headers from the server? [11:42] Which does real mime detection! [11:42] qartis: no, note the "I lie" [11:42] it uses the kde setting for application/pdf, which is okular [11:42] but what konqueror does is irrelevant. [11:42] Action: evanton always avoids using "open with" [11:42] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:43] but, openning anything from any site you don't trust is a pebkac. [11:43] well if patrick doesn't remove those entries then we'll see [11:43] yet I suppose they could name the link anything...like click here to see next page no? [11:43] but he added them as a convenience [11:43] and on other operating systems, it IS safe to trust "open with default application" [11:44] because the default application is specifically the default application for that filetype [11:44] Old_Fogie: well, in that case, if the user has either (a) set "open all links without prompting" or (b) clicks "open" in a download dialog for a next page link, tpebkac. [11:45] emptywords (n=emptywor@79.114.246.96) joined ##slackware. [11:45] true [11:46] fred: mailcap really wasn't meant for the catch-all thing that pat is trying to do [11:46] it's simply a mistake [11:46] I dont qartis have you seen debian's file, it's huge [11:46] "open with default application" is trustworthy if foobar/* isn't blindly being passed to kfmclient exec [11:47] OK, now we also have: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/possible-hole-caused-by-default-etcmailcap-in-slackware-12.2-695359/ [11:47] Now I tried to tell as much people, as possible, about the hole. Now it's Pat's turn. [11:47] this is debian lenny's /etc/mailcap for a lightly loaded install : http://pastebin.com/d540320d3 [11:47] evanton (i=nobody@gateway/tor/x-c4e0a2fe95089dbd) left irc: "leaving" [11:48] "open" shouldn't be trusted if you don't trust the source, regardless of what it opens with [11:49] fred: and if you're told that the file is image/jpeg? [11:49] Personally I think you should have reported it to Mr. V first...waited a while for him to fix/deny; before launching your attack here and at Linuxquestins.org. Honestly, it appears you really arent practicing 'proper hacking' from what I've read of it, and disclosures [11:49] it doesn't matter how smart you are, I know people who use "open" as a convenience [11:49] richar_d (n=richard@S0106001d7e522097.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:49] qartis: even if it actually is an image/jpeg, if you don't trust the source, you shouldn't trust it not to take advantage of a vulnerability in your image viewer. [11:50] fred: so you shouldn't view jpeg files? or open pdfs? you never open binary files in the proper application if you don't trust the domain? [11:51] qartis: there have been some issues with some files (like jpeg), but supposedly fixed about a year ago [11:52] alisonken1home: did you avoid opening jpeg files when you heard about that? [11:52] I'm aware that filetypes have vulnerabilities, this is different [11:52] only ones I didn't know about :) [11:52] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] I just made a proof-of-concept that took 5 minutes, it presents the user with an image/jpeg, and recommends they open it with the default application [11:52] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] and if you click ok, then I can run rm -Rf ~/* on your computer [11:53] and the cause is those mailcap lines, which don't exist on other distributions [11:53] another thing is whatever you put in as the mime-type, hardly anyone will look at it or understand it anyway. [11:53] and you don't think that's a problem? [11:53] muxer_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Action: fred is told they exist on fedora [11:54] where are the xdg-open defaults found? [11:54] MReimer_, qartis, personally I really think you shouldnt post the "homework" for a hack on Slackware please til' Mr. V gets some time to fix/address the matter at hand please. [11:54] fred: I'm not really sure what your point is. nobody looks at the mime-type, so it's not necessary for the exploit? fedora does it too, therefore it's safe? [11:54] read the script; it's open with DE-specific-launcher, or a guess at your browser. [11:54] fred: amazing how people trip out over a sploit they can get their head around. [11:54] seen the nice xterm sploit? [11:54] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:55] MReimer_: do you have flash installed? your vuln [11:55] Old_Fogie: You are right and I told Patrick about the hole 3 days ago. 2 days ago, I sent a doinst.sh, which would warn about such entries or kill the file, if the user didn't add own changes. [11:55] qartis: I see no difference between this and a user with extensions turned off on windows opening porn.pdf.exe (which appears as porn.pdf) [11:55] acidchild: how long would it take you to make a flash swf that executes rm -Rf ~/*? [11:56] MReimer_, 3 days ago,,I'm sorry but your retarded to only give 3 days. industry standard is 30! for $DIETY sakes! [11:56] how on earth could you make a PDF do that? [11:56] or heck, it's still really common with extensions turned on, a "you downloaded this, are you sure?" + "This is an executable, are you really sure?" [11:56] fred: if porn.pdf.exe appears as porn.pdf, with mimetype application/x-pdf, then that's also an issue [11:56] on a good system, rm -rf /* won't do anything besides kill your /home anyway [11:56] qartis: it wouldn't take me any time at all to get a foot hold on your box using flash [11:56] what fricken planet did they grow you on...3 days [11:56] and I would not blame a user for running that file [11:56] acidchild: sigh.. I would love to see you try [11:56] well, if x-pdf hit this issue that'd be another bug as it's not the pdf mimetype :p [11:57] At the same day I also posted a bug-report to freedesktop.org and marked it as "security". Their problem: Security-relevant bugs aren't hidden. With this bug report, even bad guys could have found out about the hole, so it's time to tell users how they are able to fix their system! [11:57] «/pointless side-pedantry» [11:57] qartis: keep sighing :-) [11:57] :) [11:57] ^hellfire^ (n=matte@87.204.232.182) joined ##slackware. [11:57] MReimer_, you said yourself this is Slackware only...upstream is Slackware man..what did you do..Good Lord. [11:57] You give him 30 days.. [11:57] acidchild: I just really hope that was a joke and not a real threat [11:57] not 30 minutes then post on public channels [11:58] qartis: threat? [11:58] okey you know [11:58] fuck off. [11:58] ? [11:58] lol [11:58] rob0: yes, absolutely [11:58] [ in bed ] [11:58] hahaha [11:58] rob0: I specifically configured it for split-horizon [11:58] MReimer_, couldnt you at least sent an email off to the dev of the xdg-utils to let them know first too? [11:58] Old_Fogie: If distributors get the idea to use this tool in mailcap files, then freedesktop.org should add a few lines of security information to their tool. [11:59] rob0: I have a private range and a public range.. queries from the public range resolve queries where im authoritative, and it acts recursively for any requests that originate in the private range [11:59] MReimer_: and they probly will. [11:59] rehabdoll (n=misfit@c-dbd4e555.027-95-6e6b7011.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "welcome to IRC: where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents" [11:59] [ in bed ] [11:59] MReimer_, that's still not your decision to make to go outside protocol man, I'm sorry I cant get with you on this . [11:59] MReimer_: well it's been discussed to death here. I think pat will see the mail and change it. if not ping me and I'll send an email too [12:00] Bug report is: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19377 [12:00] just rm -rf your /etc/mailcap if it bugs you [12:00] thrice`, 'not the point, it's the principle' [12:00] blah blah :> [12:00] It has the "security" Keyword in it. At least in the mozilla-world, this makes bugs hidden for "the public". [12:00] everyone gives 30 days in off the record conversation, that's how it is [12:00] Zordrak: do you have that zone in the view that you're hitting? [12:00] does that zone have that RR name? [12:00] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [12:01] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] each view has its own zone file.. antares.coldfyre.net does not appear in either of them [12:01] there's a zone.uk.me.tpa.internal and an external [12:01] doing a query on the server does a query in the internal zone [12:01] Nick change: aic -> anrxc [12:02] the internal zone specifies little more than NS, MX and the A records for the boxes in the house in the private range [12:02] oh, so that's not your hostname [12:02] and some service CNAMEs [12:02] I tell ya, common courtesy is just dead. [12:02] Old_Fogie, in bed? [12:02] rob0, no I kiss afterwards :) [12:02] no, antares.coldfyre.net belongs to a friend and it acts as ns1.tpa.me.uk, my secondary NS [12:02] but I cannnot resolve it from my primary NS [12:02] although no other name resolution seems to be failing [12:03] dig +trace is your friend [12:03] rob0: he scares me :-( [12:03] dig +trace rocks [12:04] hmmm [12:04] dig +trace gives : cares me :-( [12:04] whoops [12:04] dig: couldn't get address for 'ns1.coldfyre.net': failure [12:04] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [12:05] Nick change: keveam -> Keveam112 [12:05] (12:04) < Zordrak> dig +trace gives : cares me :-( in bed [12:05] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:06] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] Now, I've also sent a note to the portland mailing list. I think I've done what I can do, now. Let's wait for Pat... [12:07] MReimer_, I think you should go put your head in the toilet and flush away [12:07] you get my asshat award of the day [12:07] :-P [12:08] Old_Fogie: hey, he's trying to improve things. [12:08] leave him be. [12:08] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.148.1) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [12:08] Besides, I think I deserve the award more. [12:08] you've already got the 'hat on ass award 2008' [12:08] acidchild, he aint improving shit. he didnt follow protocol. mr. v works his *nuts* off for all of us here, and we get this smacked ass giving proof of concept in less than 3 days notification; and also all his mailing lists too. [12:09] ... [12:09] freedom of speach. [12:09] dot dot all you want, doesnt change what it is [12:10] ... [12:10] Yes, it would have been a good idea, to wait a bit longer, but the primary problem is in the portland project, which doesn't properly document their tools. And sending a bug report to their bugzilla makes a public available website! Even if this bug is marked with "security". [12:10] Yeah I know it's 2009, it's all about *me* and *feel good*. I "found" a hack, I want the credit..blah blah [12:10] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Old_Fogie: I think you're being a bit overcritical of him [12:11] jelous lil boy [12:11] MReimer_, you in your own words said that no other distro's do this..just Slackware..so in this instance it would be Mr. V it goes too. [12:11] in bed.. [12:11] qartis, you tell me where these actions of *no* time are tolerted? where? [12:11] surely somebody who kept the information to themselves is worse [12:12] qartis: i think a 3 month period before releasing bugs to a track is fair. [12:12] tracker* [12:12] You know, he may have good intentions, and I *dont* doubt that. But his actions speak otherwise. [12:12] I *didn't know for sure* if there are no other distributions. The problem is, that Patrick, or the person initially creating this package, thought xdg-open is secure. I didn't know where he found the idea for this. Maybe another distribution, which is also affected. [12:12] Old_Fogie: his actions speak that he didn't have good intentions? [12:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] qartis, fuck he should've just posted at 4chan then no? [12:12] qartis, :D [12:13] let's all just calm down and eat some fruit or something [12:14] qartis, in bed? [12:14] :D [12:14] what a mess Old_Fogie [12:14] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [12:14] in bed [12:14] acidchild, haha [12:15] oh i just EOF ... in bed :-/ [12:15] the gf aint happy [12:15] Other security researchers post to lists like "full disclosure", or something like that. Would that really have been a better idea? [12:15] MReimer_: yes. [12:16] bbiab lunch [12:17] Sure? Anyone is able to subscribe there, and I'm sure there are also "Crackers", wanting to do bad things with exploits. [12:17] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:18] MReimer_: other researchers tend to post to those lists 2-4 weeks after privately notifying the relevant people [12:18] ... but most probably no end users, which I tried to contact, in hope they fix their systems. [12:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:19] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:19] the appropriate place for a researcher to notify end users is either: (a) at the same time as a fix from the people privately contacted beforehand (b) after 2-4 weeks have passed without action after private notification (with the length of time you'll wait being included in the original private notification) [12:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [12:21] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-6db73c553b22ea41) left irc: "Leaving" [12:22] hello guys...any good soulseek client for slackware ? any idea ? [12:23] sherique_ (n=e@adsl-66-142-89-38.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:24] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:24] look in slackbuilds.org [12:27] Action: Camarade_Tux jumps and shouts [12:27] what's soulseek? [12:27] sounds like a dating thing [12:27] hehe [12:27] p2p [12:28] frostwire for the win [12:28] sherique (n=e@adsl-66-142-89-38.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] soulseek is a nice little p2p client that does magic :) [12:30] music-centered p2p [12:31] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [12:31] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:32] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0D073.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] frostwire! [12:32] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-116-055.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:32] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) left irc: "leaving" [12:33] jjholt (n=jjholt@adsl-99-190-15-168.dsl.toldoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:33] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left ##slackware ("save some weed, smoke broccoli"). [12:34] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:34] tribeca (n=vedo@host86-173-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [12:34] Don't smoke, don't smoke, don't smoke, the leass you smoke that leaves for me [12:34] Fedora has the same hole. RedHat also has the hole..... :-( Mail to secalert@redhat.com: Done. [12:34] har har [12:35] what hole? [12:35] Forget it. [12:35] lol [12:35] durp, my brain is still in bed [12:36] th4uros (n=guilherm@unaffiliated/th4uros) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:36] tribeca (n=vedo@host44-247-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:36] tribeca (n=vedo@host44-247-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] MReimer_, i hover my mouse on that link and i see "something-something.pdf.desktop", i dont understand the hole? [12:38] Hit it and press "OK". You'll see what I mean, if you are running on Slackware 12.2 in default configuration... [12:38] tribeca (n=naitso@host44-247-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:38] oye [12:38] just submit the damn complaint upstream [12:38] its been beaten to death [12:38] [x] in bed [12:38] haha [12:38] :D [12:40] I still don't get it. slackware injects those files, not freedesktop.org [12:40] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [12:40] thrice`: what? [12:40] and clearly, when I type "rm -rf /" it's a bash bug? [12:40] emptywords (n=emptywor@79.114.246.96) left irc: "Leaving" [12:41] slackware is the one populating /etc/mailcap with xdg-utils entries. why was the issue reported to freedesktop, again ? [12:42] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [12:42] i blame MReimer_ [12:43] :) [12:43] Just because they should add a note to their tools, that it shouldn't be used in such cases. Distributors usually read such notes and as there is not only Slackware, but also Redhat and Fedore, who use such silly mailcap files, there is clearly some documentation missing. [12:43] thrice`: I meant upstream as in "email PV" [12:43] Dominian: I agree. [12:43] ++ [12:43] If Slackawre populates the file.. then I would email Pat [12:43] MReimer_: PV is smart enough to understand what it does. changing the readme is pretty useless [12:44] if you're too scared to email him.. give me the information I'll email him. lol [12:44] Maybe they would also be ableo to publish a security advisory to tell all uses of their tools about the possible hole. [12:44] He knows who I am.. and knows I'm not afraid lol [12:44] I mailed im twice! [12:44] s/im/him/ [12:44] you thought he wouldn't read the first one? [12:44] ok [12:44] then wait [12:44] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [12:44] MReimer_: Its not like he sits and monitors email.. you'll get a response [12:44] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Action: Dominian shoots MReimer_ [12:45] 3 days... just 3 days...this is new years time...he may not have even gotten rid of hangover yet..and you go chicken little on his ass [x] in bed [12:45] what's all this nonsense? [12:45] [ in bed ] [12:45] Old_Fogie: lol [12:45] hacking each other and mailing bug reports? [12:45] Of course. The much worse thing is, that the freedesktop.org bug is visible to the public. As a possible reaction to that, I tried to contact as many Slackware users, as possible, but it's not only a Slackware issue... :-( [12:45] Yeah I'm diggin this [x] in bed thing Dominian :) [12:45] lol [12:46] didn't YOU open that publically visible bug? [12:46] Just remember who's idea it was! [12:46] [ in bed ] [12:46] So versatile. [12:46] aye [12:46] I may switch it to [x] 'for me to poop on!' tho :) [12:46] see now why I thought of it? [12:46] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [12:47] ALVAN (n=uyjkgh@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [12:48] ananke: ping [12:51] icmp dropped [12:51] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.20.108.233) joined ##slackware. [12:52] heh [12:52] I like to think of this disclosure as: I drive by your house, see your front door is open, so I call and leave you a voicemail and then send out airplanes to notify the world that your house is unlocked. Yup, makes sense to me. [x] in bed. [12:53] Old_Fogie: come on, I think that's enough [12:53] qartis, really he just talked about it 9 minutes ago [12:53] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [12:53] lol [12:54] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:55] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Hello [12:56] A default install has loads of packages installed by default - would my system be much faster if I only installed the packages I needed, or is it a space thing? [12:56] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-251-123.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:57] mainly a space thing... but most modern computers won't care about space [12:57] exactly [12:57] deepfriedsquirre, I'd say 'marginally' faster , possibly umm what's the word..'perceived' [12:57] lol [12:57] Well, I'd terrifided of bloat, is all [12:57] and I run old boxes, the amount of pax installed isn't the way to get faster [12:57] You can decrease startup time some by removing some things. [12:58] But, you can just as easily disable them and not worry about it. [12:58] I see, well I'm not concerned about startup time [12:58] Old_Fogie: paint go-faster stripes on the computer case? [12:58] Red ones for speed, yellow ones for acceleration. [12:58] I was just surprised to see that Debian has less RAM usage, but then again maybe Slackware caches more. [12:58] BP{k}, yea man there ya go [x] in bed [12:58] hahah Dominian has me hooked now [12:58] Slackware is anything but bloated [ in bed ] [12:59] anyone to give a tip on how to turn off the "join/part" messages in Xchat ? (for _all_ channels) [12:59] ? [12:59] button on the montor that has a cirlce with a verticle line, push it [x] in bed [12:59] TheGhost (n=TheGhost@190.232.57.158) joined ##slackware. [12:59] i still use epic >.<; [12:59] xjcjcvs (n=zxvsdgvs@host81-157-34-109.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Nick change: TheGhost -> TheGhost84 [13:00] anyone tried installing madwifi-ng on slack 12.2 [13:00] mohaa, actually idk but I've looked in xchat and found that I miss out on channel notifies too, so I proably did something wrong [13:01] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-250.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [13:01] hi, how do i set the "book type" when i burn a dvd? [13:01] hi Old_Fogie :) [13:01] hello :) [13:02] i checked `man growisofs` ..nothing [13:02] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-250.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:03] the booktype is only the default for data (orange, i think) or red if you're using cdrecord [13:03] mohaa, you know, maybe using the 'colors' in the settings dialog, and make the color of the join/part messages the same color as the background in xchat may be the way? [13:03] mohaa, so they still come into the window, but you can't read them so they dont annoy [13:04] Necos: i want to set the booktype to DVDROM for a DVD+R [13:05] i dont think all dvd burners support that option [13:05] :\ [13:06] i thought it was just a software option [13:06] eh? just burn an iso image using cdrecord... where's the problem? [13:07] most likely you also need a modified firmware for the dvd burner [13:07] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:08] the iso i have _needs_ to be in the dvdrom book type in order for it to work for this specific player :\ [13:08] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.247) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Old_Fogie, actually this option exits per channel when you are logged in [13:09] i'm reading up on this now... you piqued my interest [13:09] ^_^ [13:09] there must be a way to turn em off in _all_ channels [13:10] *better load irssi* [13:10] pookiewookie_ (i=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [13:12] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [13:12] doesn't look like this booktype option exists in linux dvd utils [13:13] wait a sec [13:14] dvd+rw-booktype [13:14] steerpike: that will let you change it [13:14] ahoy. So I have a single folder in my email that I need to download into individual files on my harddrive, so I can then parse them. [13:15] anyone have a pointer for something that could easily do this? [13:15] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [13:15] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:16] steerpike: let me know how that turns out ^^ [13:16] Necos: thanks a lot :) [13:17] i can try it in a few hours [13:17] i just randomly remembered seeing something about that whenever i type dvd, then hit tab in a term [13:18] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:21] qneo (n=knao@adsl-d230.84-47-28.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:22] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl149-210.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:22] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Carlows (n=carlos@189.8.192.4) left ##slackware. 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[13:38] shift and the : then q then hit enter [13:38] Soul_keeper, ^^ [13:38] and that's all I know of vi :) [13:38] lastlog git-scm [13:38] oops [13:38] fail [13:38] or should I say [13:38] fail [x] in bed :) [13:38] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:38] Dominian, darn you :) [13:39] apparently that don't work [13:39] just goes to a newline inside the thing [13:39] hmmmm [13:39] Soul_keeper, maybe your keyboard is messed up, as your looking for this --> ; then q then enter. [13:40] Soul_keeper: try :q! [13:40] steerpike: it's in the dvd+rw-tools docs, btw :) [13:40] got it, thanks a lot :) [13:40] i was reading it to see if it was there lol [13:40] that worked sahko thanks [13:41] h00ray [13:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-250.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [13:41] Old_Fogie: what did I do now? hehe [13:41] hahaha :D [13:42] Dominian, gonna have to get the wife with this later on today [13:43] Dominian, heh, she's probably gonna cut me off from irc, I mean I did say 'fail' that day she walked into the wall :) [13:43] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.225.12) joined ##slackware. [13:43] hello pprkut :) [13:43] hey Old_Fogie :) [13:44] Old_Fogie: hahaha [13:44] Dominian, you should've seen the look on her face too when I said it. Belive it or not, she *knew* exactly what that meant too, I was impressed. Truly a bonding moment :) [13:45] hehehe [13:46] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-247-84.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] I use FAIL with my GF [13:46] [x] in bed? [13:46] :D [13:47] I couldnt resist that [13:47] did she 'get it' at first tho? or had cross-eyes? [13:48] Never ask straterra if "she got it" when sex is mentioned. [13:48] :) [13:50] lol [13:50] josemanuel (n=josemanu@42.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:52] Soul_keeper: did you hit to get out of edit mode first? then try :wq [13:52] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:52] alisonken1, i got it :q! works [13:53] Soul_keeper: that quits without saving - :wq writes changes then quits [13:53] i don't like that interface, i'm just gonna pico my /var/spool/cron/crontabs/user manually [13:53] I use the notepad.exe [13:53] :) [13:53] :D [13:53] editors shouldn't be difficult to exit/save [13:53] 'crontab -e' verifies the entries before saving, so using something other requires that _you_ verify your changes first [13:53] Soul_keeper, agreed [13:54] XDS2010 (i=48dd7097@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-db723b60417347c5) joined ##slackware. [13:54] shouldn't need to pull up a 20 page manpage just to figure out how to exit it without kill -9 [13:54] How can i setup a vpn on a remote host and use sw12.2 with it? [13:54] Soul_keeper: export VISUAL=pico [13:54] sladegen, yea? that'll swap the crontab? [13:55] sladegen, vi for crontab? [13:55] thanks sladegen [13:55] I mean/meant [13:55] it will use pico as editor. [13:55] woh, learn something everyday [x] in bed [13:56] Old_Fogie: is that what she hopes for? [13:56] if i add SHELL=/bin/bash to the beginning of a user's crontab will that take effect ? [13:56] oops - "Old_Fogie: is that what she hopes for?" [in bed ] [13:56] nope, more like for me to "get in the other bedroom..." [13:56] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:57] Nick change: foureyes879 -> foureyes779 [13:57] almost time for the 2pm nap, retirements such a pain [13:57] Soul_keeper: nope - crontab just runs the commands at specific times, shell to use is specified in the shell script that you tell crontab to run [13:57] Is it even possible to install a vpn on a remote host ? [13:57] w00t [13:57] if you have access to the remote host [13:58] ok great [13:59] alisonken1 i do [13:59] alisonken1 how could it be done [14:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [14:03] pedro2311 (i=1000@189.7.148.97) left irc: "Leaving" [14:03] XDS2010: install vpn server on the host that you want to, then install the vpn client onto the remote host you want to use to log into it [14:04] s/log into it/log onto it/ [14:04] lol [14:04] ok alisonken1 [14:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b106c2d23aef5235) left irc: [14:05] so - setup vpn server on the remote host, then vpn client on the machine you use to log into the vpn remote host [14:05] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "errands" [14:05] just make sure the remote host can be accessed by the client before going to the fun of installing vpn [14:06] have you ever done this yourself ? [14:06] you may want to first try it between 2 machines on the local network to find the nigglies you'll run into [14:06] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:06] actual, no. theoretical (and by seeing the notes from people that do use vpn), yes [14:06] oh man I got noobfarmed hard [14:06] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1370 [14:07] hahaha [14:07] Old_Fogie: yep - you're another straterra noobfarm candidate :) [14:07] poor fogie [14:07] Lies [14:07] I am the only [14:07] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:07] straterra: that's why I said "candidate" [14:07] yea we were talking about 'instant on linux' not 'instant on fogie' :) [14:07] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:08] well, my wife _wishes_ I wasn't "instant on" :) [14:08] soon enough, moo haa haa ! :) [14:09] ... [14:09] apparently the theme to day is "be afraid... be very afraid..." [14:09] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) joined ##slackware. [14:09] yup [14:10] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0D073.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""bbl naptime"" [14:11] WallRat007 (n=wallrat0@c-98-216-211-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] WallRat007 (n=wallrat0@c-98-216-211-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:12] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CED3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [14:15] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl149-210.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [14:15] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Now I know KDE is said to be bloated, but when I boot slackware with KDE, it wasn't much more than Zenwalk with XFCE. Why? [14:16] Why what? [14:17] "much more" as in ? [14:17] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:18] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Slackware had about 330000K, Zenwalk about 280000 [14:18] used [14:18] That's what free said, anyway [14:19] I mean, it's recommended that you have around 512mb RAM for KDE, right? This guy's only got 128mb but you know, if it's not much different... [14:20] KDE on PCLOS was really slow though [14:20] the main difference is when you start running programs [14:20] Hmm [14:20] Well I read that KDE's more efficient when you have a lot of programs running [14:20] QT programs, anyway... [14:20] Well, ones written for KDE [14:20] true [14:21] gtk apps tend to be slightly larger ram usage than qt apps [14:21] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Hmm, that's weird because I thought of GTK as lightweight [14:21] Why would XFCE use GTK? [14:21] gtk programs tend to be more lightweight, no the libs [14:22] or maybe xfce is bloated too :), i use ratpoison and icewm no comparison [14:22] Well, XFCE provides more funxtionality, does it not? [14:22] I don't think I'd like a standalone window manager [14:22] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:22] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:22] heh, i use openbox ^^ [14:22] you do the same thing with both, i'm using zw [14:23] deepfriedsquirre: Strange you should ask. http://urlx.eu/_MTE0OQ [14:23] I like the idea of an integrated suite of programs all designed to eb compatible and all [14:23] Thanks all [14:24] But I also hate the idea of bloat... I'm naturally a perfectiponist, yous ee [14:24] Indubitably. [14:24] lol [14:24] lol [14:24] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Talking of which, is is possible to compile a whole slackware system from slackbuilds? [14:25] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [14:25] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Gah JKonqueror crashed [14:25] that's what pat does - using slackpkg [14:26] Pat as in Mr Slackware-founder? [14:26] one and the same [14:26] it's even possible to compile a whole slack system using slackbuilds, on a non-slackware system [14:26] shall i watch star wars ? havent seen them yet. [14:26] lol [14:26] Hmm, I didn't like them much [14:27] They were a bit dull, a bit uninventive [14:27] muxer_: which one? you have a nice selection to choose from dating all the way back to the 70's [14:27] i want to see the better ones [14:27] lol [14:27] They're about lasers and lightsabers, but if you like that sort of thing, fair enough [14:28] And by the way, I can't say if a movie has good or bad special effects unless it's dungeons and dragons... I mean they aren't realistic, but they do the trick for me [14:28] special effects don't make a movie good or bad [14:28] hehehe [14:28] special effects make the movie watchable if the movie is bad, however... [14:29] not for me they don't, they just make me sad [14:29] like reign of fire... hated the movie, but the special effects were fun [14:29] wasted talent making such lovely effects on such a crap movie [14:29] I disagree. Bad special effects can do a great job of ruining an otherwise nice movie, though. [14:29] jkwood: not a fan of Dr. Who or the original Star Trek, then? [14:29] I don't really care as long as they're decent [14:30] I love Dr Who [14:30] I havn't seen the old ones though... too young [14:30] ah. The effects in the new series, they actually have a budget for [14:30] Urchlay: They have to be REALLY bad. [14:31] Mostly, the whole, "This movie is 3d, so we're going to focus on that, and sacrifice good timing or believable acting." [14:31] jkwood: exactly [14:31] jkwood: believable acting? dissing 80% of all movies, are we? ;) [14:31] BP{k}: Mostly just The Journey To The Center Of The Earth. [14:31] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) left irc: ""I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but by it I see everything else." -- C. [14:31] BP{k}: Sturgeon's Law [14:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] Urchlay: :) [14:33] So why slackpkg over slapt-get [14:33] ? [14:33] evenin' [14:33] Well, with that, I must leave. Later, all. [14:33] hey BP{k} =) [14:33] adios, jkwood [14:33] tewmten: hola :) how goes man? [14:33] Action: jkwood spits in the general direction of slapt-get [14:33] KAAAAHHHNNNNNNNN [14:33] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) joined ##slackware. [14:33] hm, I've heard horror stories about slapt-get [14:33] BP{k}: it goes good, but Im so tired after work today [14:33] never tried it meself [14:33] had a bad outtage with our DNS servers in our datacentre.. [14:34] (I have seen apt-get eat itself, on various debian boxes) [14:34] I think most of the horror stories are from people combining slapt-get with 3rd party mirrors. [14:34] deepfriedsquirre: slackpkg is included in slackware ( >= 12.2) [14:34] most likely [14:34] hm. And slackpkg doesn't really support 3rd-party mirrors [14:35] I really should set up a test box with slapt-get just for S&G. [14:35] S&G? [14:35] shit and giggles. [14:35] ah, hehe [14:35] (looks like it might, if you set up a mirror of the entire distro + your own added packages) [14:36] you'd have to re-sign all the official slack packages with your own gpg key, too [14:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] (why am I even thinking about this? It has Bad Idea written all over it) [14:37] s/Bad Idea/Bad Idea (tm)/ [14:37] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] sounds like something for Gentoo then I guess [14:37] :P [14:37] + [14:39] lol [14:39] So does compiling from source make software much faster than using binaries? [14:39] no [14:40] not always [14:40] depends on the binary [14:40] depends on what options are used [14:40] Well, whatever's in a slackbuild. [14:40] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:40] Hmm, maybe I should compile a kernel [14:41] How much does that help? [14:41] only if you need to - the generic+modules from slackware are decent enough [14:42] recompiling is usually only needed if huge is too large, generic is too much trouble, or you need a kernel with only specific devices for limited ram [14:42] emptywords (n=emptywor@79.114.246.96) joined ##slackware. [14:42] or you need functionality from a newer kernel than what's in default slackware [14:42] or you don't like ramdisks lol [14:42] or you want specific features enabled that are not available in huge/generic [14:43] Hmm, I had the impression that compiling your own kernel could make everything quite a bit faster [14:43] is there any way of making slack look better. ?..for example firefox pidgin and other app like that have ugly gtk themes [14:43] very few features are left out of generic+modules - so that would be a specific-hardware-app kind of thing [14:43] that's a gtk thing, not a slack thing [14:43] otherwise, change desktops [14:43] or themes [14:44] emptywiords: gnome-look.org [14:44] *emptywords [14:45] lol [14:45] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-08324.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:45] [14:45] yes deepfried [14:45] would have been "emptywoids" [14:45] Also, try to pick your IRC channel carefully... some would consider that spam and get all hissey pissey about it. [14:46] i.m just askin dude...no need to pop up with unuseful commentaries [14:46] ergh. One thing I really wish would happen... wish the generic kernel had reiserfs compiled in [14:47] is possible to choose reiserfs + generic kernel during the install... and end up with an unbootable system [14:48] yes - as long as no initrd with reiserfs modules are included in the initrd [14:48] lol [14:48] yes [14:48] which is what happened to me the other day... [14:48] that's great [14:48] which is why you should use huge at the beginning and switch later [14:49] resiervs vs ext3? [14:49] *fs [14:49] I gathered that ext3 is slower but it lasts longer [14:49] hm, never had problems with either reiser or ext3 not "lasting" [14:49] if it isn't killed by reiserfs [14:50] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:51] lol [14:51] i use ext3, because it's very straight forward, and acls for it are very simple [14:51] reiserfs (version 3) is really dependable but takes a long time to mount for larger partitions. [14:51] _ohm (n=nava@nom19760a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:51] I use ext3 so I can upgrade to ext4 :P [14:51] lol [14:51] I've gone to using ext3 after years with reiserfs [14:52] OldGringo: yeah. Got a 900G raid partition here that takes forever to mount [14:52] can't even remember why I picked reiserfs, back when I created it [14:52] but it'd take a *lot* of DVDs to hold all the data if I wanted to switch filesystems, at this point [14:53] so, where are those who didn't believe me last time I talked about long mount times with reiserfs? There you have an example... [14:53] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-67-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] lol [14:53] why does "Triggering udev events: /sbin/udevtrigger --retry-failed" take forever?? [14:53] _ohm (n=nava@nom19760a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] And yeah, is ext4 going to be awesome? [14:54] deepfriedsquirre: from what I understand.. yes [14:54] the long mount time isn't a huge issue, it only gets rebooted if I move (to a new house I mean), or if the UPS batteries fail [14:54] only way to find out.. test it [14:54] hehehe [14:54] SM177Y: you have a network interface configured in rc.inet1.comf that is not always used? [14:55] ext4 sounds fun... as long as posix acl support is there, we're all good [14:55] s/comf/conf/ [14:55] possibly. i can look [14:56] i have a problem with the sound card i mean it work but raising up the pcm volume seems to distort the sound.. .any idea why ? [14:56] SM177Y: that's just my experiences, but it takes much less time if you use that interface on bootup....or use wicd [14:56] it's too loud? [14:56] SM177Y: but it may also be something else [14:57] SM177Y: do you have something plugged in (external hard drive, etc)? [14:57] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] emptywords: this happens with any speakers you try? [14:57] the sound are getting distorsioned...and i wondered if i could somehow put a limit to the pcm volume because all app for ex vlc while raising the volume it changes the pcm not the master...and again the distorted sound appears [14:57] it might just be something like a memory card reader that it doesn't recognize [14:58] emptywords: you can change which volume control vlc uses [14:58] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [14:58] I must go away and have some fun with AS Maths... bye everyone, thanks for helping] [14:58] AS Maths? =p [14:58] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.20.108.233) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] gah, math [14:58] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.20.108.233) joined ##slackware. [14:59] maths is eazy! [14:59] Action: edman007 pushes the easy button [14:59] 4 1/2 weeks till math test [14:59] AS Maths = Maths for 16 year lds in Britain [14:59] lol [14:59] Anyway, byeee [14:59] see ya [14:59] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.20.108.233) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] alright ima try this [14:59] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX: it's how steak is done" [15:00] Urchlay no this problem appears only on my laptop..it's a conexant audio card.... [15:01] software rendering ftl? [15:01] emptywords: right, but does the problem happen if you're using external speaker (or headphones) instead of the built-in ones? [15:01] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [15:01] cause it's fully possible that the laptop speakers and/or onboard analog amp are terrible :) [15:01] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.247) left irc: "leaving" [15:02] yes Urchlay it happens no matter what [15:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:03] try changing which mixer vlc uses [15:04] yes could be that also :) on windows it had no problem [15:04] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:04] hm. There might be a way to mess with alsa's config files, to set a max volume... [15:04] alsamixer [15:05] Necos i've tried looking for a vlc option like the one you say ..but it doesen't exist and yes i've checked the advanced box [15:05] yes it is there [15:05] Dominian: to change the volume's range I mean... so using alsamixer to turn it up to 100 really only sets it to 70% [15:06] (either that, or make it so alsamixer etc are incapable of turning it up past 70%) [15:06] eh [15:07] i've watched the pcm from alsamixer while moving the slider from vlc and they sync [15:08] so what i want is to set a max value for the pcm and the app only make use of the master vol [15:08] do that it won't distort anymore [15:09] good luck with that [15:09] :)) [15:09] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:09] if you look in the output modules section of the audio area in vlc prefs, you can change the device [15:11] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [15:11] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:11] like on my sb live, it has 0 / 2 / 3 (master / pcm / headphones, IIRC) [15:12] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: Client Quit [15:13] hmmm, strange, urxvt doesn't honor .bashrc [15:13] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Necos: it's not running a login shell I bet. See if it supports the -ls option like rxvt/xterm do [15:15] probably can set URXVT.loginShell: true in your .Xdefaults (but see the docs, I'm just guessing) [15:15] Urchlay, login shells dont execute .bashrc [15:16] eh? mine do [15:16] must be magic [15:16] possibly because 10-12 years ago I probably put "source ~/.bashrc" in my .bash_profile [15:16] https://berlin.ccc.de/~tobias/cos/s60-curse-of-silence-advisory.txt <-- hehe [15:17] this is SO old, DoSing phones via SMs is so easy [15:17] most GSM providers have open SMSC relays [15:17] hehe [15:17] ewww [15:17] emptywords: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html <-- there's a "route & volume" plugin that might do what you need [15:17] hmmm there is an -ls option [15:18] acidchild, go CCC! [15:18] :> [15:18] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:18] heh, or use the ladspa plugin + a ladspa compressor/limiter effect :) [15:19] i wonder if that's the real reason [15:19] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] oh and one more problem...when conecting headphones the speakers are still active... [15:20] hmmmm... [15:20] emptywords: that's a feature, not a bug, it lets you share your music with everyone in the room :) [15:20] urxvt +ls works [15:20] +ls should be turning off the login shell option [15:20] which means it doesn't start a login shell [15:20] (at least that's how regular rxvt works) [15:21] right, which goes with what slackytude says (that login shells don't source .bashrc) [15:21] ok well that dint do it. still takes forever for "Triggering udev events: /sbin/udevtrigger --retry-failed [15:21] yes, which means i'll have to much with my .Xdefaults [15:21] :) isn' it a way to turn that feature off ? [15:21] *muck [15:21] my setup is weird cause my ~ directory has been following me around from disk to disk for many years now [15:22] if it wasnt for that then my system would boot amazingly fast but it always sits at that for like 2 mins [15:22] ah, no wonder... [15:22] SM177Y, you get ip by dhcpcd? [15:22] yes [15:22] SM177Y, disable that, set it to static [15:22] i was using URxvt.loginshell: true already [15:22] Necos: ah-ha [15:23] SM177Y, get the ip after you are done with udev [15:23] but it doesnt work anyways [15:23] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [15:23] tried it already [15:23] ? [15:23] i was using a sample .Xresources someone else wrote lol [15:23] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:23] its set up but i still have to use a small script i have to bring up my wlan0 and set channel. essid, etc [15:23] and then use dhcpcd [15:24] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [15:24] by default for some reason my lo and wlan0 are down in ifconfig and they need to be broght up [15:24] ah, now i remember, it was a pre-written .Xresources for use with conky [15:24] heh, first line of my ~/.bash_profile reads ". ~/.bashrc", and ~/.bashrc is full of aliases I haven't used in 10 years [15:25] lol [15:26] i just have 2 aliases that i use regulary, one of them is for rdesktop to my win2k3 server [15:26] including what looks like an attempt to write a function that downloads RFCs and shows them with less [15:26] that sounds painful =p [15:26] somebody pick an RFC, lemme see if this thing still works... [15:27] 786? [15:27] hmmm, is there a way to reload .Xresources w/o restarting the WM? lol [15:27] xrdb -merge .Xresources [15:28] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] nope, my RFC-reader tries to download them from wuarchive.wustl.edu, which has apparently reorganized things... [15:28] hmmmm [15:28] .Xresources:20:28: warning: missing terminating ' character <--- fail lol [15:29] URxvt*cutchars: `'",;@&*=|?()<>[]{} <--- like 20 [15:29] *line [15:29] good thing you can actually see that message [15:29] probably have to escape the ' and ", maybe with a \ [15:29] Urchlay, a lot of things do that, netscape tried to take down a DTD a while ago and a LOT of people complained [15:30] lol edman007... that's the problem with statically linked webpages [15:30] edman007: :-P [15:30] indeed. [15:30] i wonder how much data they can harvest from access_logs with DTD's on them [15:30] O.o [15:31] Necos, its not a statically linked page, its that the standard defined the DTD to be on a netscape domain, and a LOT of clients downloaded the DTD every time they parsed files under that standard [15:31] how come using playlist editor in realplayer causes realplayer to close. but if u just play one video at a time it works just fine? just gets annoying when watched shows with episodes and u want to just play a list of em. [15:31] of course it should be such a common DTD that nothing should bother try to download it, but thats not the case :( [15:31] hm. clients really do that, and don't cache it? [15:32] Urchlay, some [15:32] yuck [15:32] heh, stranger things have happened [15:32] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [15:32] i think most of it are those crappy buisness clients, you know the stuff written 10 years ago and never touched for fear of bringing down the company [15:33] I seem to recall having to deal with something like that once... some bloated java library that worked on the test server (which had internet access) and failed on production (which was heavily firewalled) [15:33] and the error message(s) didn't really point out what the real problem was [15:33] Urchlay, yup, IIRC, it was one popular java library that had the most problems with it [15:33] hmmm, i wonder if xrdb is bitching because ' and " aren't escaped in the cutchars [15:34] Necos: probably [15:34] try putting the whole thing in "" and putting a \" where you now have a " [15:34] i did some research and it seemes an updtae for the alsa driver will fix my problem....how do i update it ? only alsa i mean ...i have 12.1 [15:34] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-165-59.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:34] ah, hmmm... [15:34] Necos: but it's probably been doing this all along, since you first copied that .Xresources from whoever, and you never noticed :) [15:34] does slackware comes with any OCR software? [15:35] BACKSLASH `"'&()*,;<=>?@[]^{|} <--- the default according to urxvt [15:35] dissociative, dont think so [15:35] i.e., unneeded [15:35] dissociative: sort-of. xpdf tries to do OCR if you attempt to copy/paste from a PDF with an image of text [15:35] of course xpdf's OCR is worse than useless in most cases... [15:36] Necos: even better, just nuke it :) [15:36] there we go... that's exactly what i did [15:36] now it works properly [15:36] MReimer_ (n=chatzill@p4FD4AA03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122714]" [15:36] can anyone help me update only the alsa driver ? [15:37] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] dissociative: have a search for "ocr" on slackbuilds.org maybe? [15:37] do i need a tool like slapt-get of some kind ? [15:37] what? [15:37] alsa drivers is just a package... [15:37] altho, nowadays i just use the kernel drivers [15:38] emptywords: you're on slack 12.1, and wanting to use ALSA drivers from 12.2? [15:38] that's a really bad idea [15:38] lol [15:38] yes i guess so [15:38] ALSA drivers are part of the kernel [15:38] try "Rally a Bad Idea (tm)" [15:38] bono (i=bono@220-136-228-204.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:38] ok - Really [15:39] I beginning to trying to convert video hardsubs to soft subs [15:39] that Is why i need some ocr first [15:39] might be better off upgrading the whole system to 12.2, I think you'll run into trouble if you blindly update the kernel to the one from 12.2 [15:39] anyone has experience with doing such thing? [15:40] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:40] (though it should be possible to do if you know what you're doing... but if you know what you're doing, you also know it's not worth the headache) [15:40] you could try using the kernel .config from 12.2's [15:40] but yeah, that would be a headache [15:41] dissociative: hm. So you're wanting to feed what to an OCR utility? a whole frame of (probably heavily compressed) video? [15:41] a video stream or a sequence of video frames [15:41] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:42] I don't think the .config from 12.2 would help him in this case. He actually needs a newer (bug-fixed) version of the driver [15:42] i guess i will upgrade to 12.2 by doing a clean install [15:43] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [15:43] dissociative: hm. Most of the OCR software I've seen tends to be geared towards images of black text on a white background. Not sure anything can cope with a colorful image that's mostly graphics with one line of text, even if you were to crop out most of the frame... [15:44] dissociative: maybe you just need to learn to type faster, or hire a couple of high school kids (or trained monkeys)? [15:45] emptywords: the 12.1 to 12.2 upgrade process isn't too painful [15:45] but, the problem is the subtitle time offsets [15:45] (still more painful than a fresh install from scratch though) [15:46] dissociative: yeah... though, if you turned a video into a huge series of still frames, and OCR'ed each one, presumably you'd know the timestamp for each frame [15:46] Urchlay i know but what's the point...and i also have my /home on a separate partirion [15:47] a clean install should be fail safe for my prob [15:47] e.g. mplayer will output png files whose filenames are the frame number, and so you just divide the frame number by the frames-per-sec to know the time position of a particular frame [15:47] emptywords: yeah, if /home is separate, no reason to do the upgrade [15:47] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [15:48] I did run through the 12.1 to 12.2 upgrade yesterday on my laptop, but mostly just to see what it's like (have never, in 12+ years of using slackware, ever attempted to do an upgrade in place before...) [15:48] that's how all of my upgrades are done - in place [15:49] dissociative: I don't suppose the text is all the same color? (at least, within each file?) [15:49] as long as you keep the order of things, it's very feasible [15:49] I've seen some anime where every character's spoken lines get subtitled in a different color [15:49] I think that it's [15:50] dissociative: it might be you could use mplayer to turn each frame into a file, then write a perl or whatever script, using image magick, to crop out most of each frame, then try to pick out the text by its color... [15:51] I don't know how feasible that would be (I do know it'd take tons of disk space and time)... [15:52] ananke: early on, I blew up a libc5 install trying to upgrade it to glibc :) [15:52] mplayer has crop filters [15:53] dissociative: yah, that's right, you could crop the frames before writing to a file [15:53] Urchlay : yep, going from slack 4 to 7 was fun, due to those libs [15:54] assuming the subtitle is *always* in the same place (I have some files where the subtitle is at the top during scenes that already have on-screen text...) [15:54] 1;3~/c [15:54] whoa [15:54] From Slack-8.1 to 9.0 was the saem situation. [15:54] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] OldGringo : at least the package format was the same :) [15:54] s/format/naming scheme [15:54] Urchlay: I've been using slackware since '94 and I've never upgraded - clean installs work well when you have a plan for keeping your data seperate, IMO [15:54] ananke: hey question for you about USAA if you have a minute.. or can remember that is hehe [15:55] Dominian : shoot [15:55] which rev was it where the names changed from package.tgz to package-version-arch-build.tgz? 7.0 to 8.0? [15:55] ananke: minimum opening balance is 25bucks.. which I did.. I don't have to keep 25bucks in there if I read correctly.. just wanting someone else to verify that [15:55] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:55] rk4n3: yah, that's what I've always done. /home and usually /usr/local have always been separate partitions [15:55] Dominian : no clue, i've never been that low on an account with them :) [15:55] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] ananke: oh shaddup [15:55] :) [15:56] in fact /home has stuff from the mists of time, I've always copied it over when upgrading to a bigger disk... [15:56] it's funny how different folks approach moving from one release to another. personally, i despise fresh installs. i stay away from them, unless it's absolutely necessary [15:56] aye [15:56] Action: Urchlay really ought to find out who these people are who sent me their pictures in 1996 [15:56] ananke: I hate to say it.. after I did openSuse 11.0 to 11.1 upgrade.. and compared to 12.1 slamd64 to -current upgrade.. it was.. easier than suse [15:57] Dominian : interesting. personally, i felt just the opposite [15:57] Urchlay, same here :) [15:58] ol (n=abc@ehp12.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:58] ol (n=abc@ehp12.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [15:58] ananke: for a while, I had a urchlay.tgz package I'd install on top of a fresh install, which had some extra stuff in /etc/profile.d, a /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf, and a couple other scripts... [15:58] Dr4kk4r (i=1002@151.80.133.158) joined ##slackware. [15:58] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:58] when upgrading i usually take my old home and put it in a subfolder of my new home...and time goes by it gets bigger and bigger... [15:58] edman007: a guy I shared a house with for a year ended up with 12-deep nested 'Desktop' folders. [15:58] lol [15:59] wow [15:59] good thing i don't use a Desktop folder [15:59] this morning in the maintenance window i had to upgrade a box running opensuse 10.2 to 11.1. the box runs confluence wiki, so that meant going from tomcat5.0.x to 6.0, from java 1.4 or 1.5 to 1.6, and i also moved from mod_jk to mod_proxy. all in 60 minutes [15:59] ananke: did everything work the first try? [15:59] though i got about 4 or six "school" folders [15:59] Action: Urchlay hated upgrading tomcat 3.0 to 4.0 [15:59] Urchlay : yes, thanks to the fact that all of that was tested beforehand :) [15:59] i got every paper i typed up since high school [16:00] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-11491.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:00] edman007: wish I did. My high school papers were done on a dedicated word processor that used weird little "wafer tapes" [16:00] like a microcassette [16:00] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] well unlink you, i'm not older than dirt [16:00] only not a standard one [16:00] *unlike [16:01] nah, I remember dirt already being there when I was a kid [16:01] or maybe I only think that because I'm getting the alzheimer's [16:01] ananke: well alot of things broke for me afterthe upgrade [16:01] I've kept all my tryshed spam -still planning to go through it systematically some day and make sure I didn't miss something good... [16:01] appzer0 (n=chatzill@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [16:01] OldGringo: you probably didn't, you know [16:01] I invented dirt! [16:02] fail =p [16:02] what were you standing on, when you invented it? [16:02] OldGringo, i stopped deleting email...i usually just look at anything new, decide that i need to deal with it later, and then do something else, and never deal with it at all [16:02] Dominian : the important question would be: did they break because of the 'upgrade' process itself, or because the new software was broken? [16:02] it says i have about 150 new emails that i didn't even look at [16:02] but thats mostly the spam or semi-spam [16:03] I remember broken code that happened to work on some old version of the mysql jdbc connector [16:03] ananke: I beleive the upgrade process. I could be wrong though hehe [16:03] ananke: but after Id id a fresh install Gnome was fine.. [16:03] ananke: after the uupgrade.. Gnome was .. well not working right. .icons were missing.. a few other things were corrupt.. not that I care.. I'm back on slamd64 on both the laptop and desktop now [16:03] well, there you have your problem. gnome is involved :) [16:03] ResultSet rs = (some query or another); while(rs.next()) { }; String s = rs.getString(0); [16:04] No , but really, One day Man came up before God and told him -Hey look here! I've found the secret to life. I've learned ti create life from dirt! Oh really? says God, let me you do it. So Man grabs a handful of dirt and starts out to create life from it. Hey wait! hollers God, get you *own* dirt! [16:04] ananke: haha [16:04] hi all. i just forgot how to extract the scripts launched at slackware installation : the migrate.sh and SeTkernel scripts for example [16:04] some old version of mysql jdbc would fail to throw an exception for that code (instead it'd just return the last row's data for the getString()) [16:04] Urchlay: ruby? [16:05] Necos: paraphrased Java... been a while since I had to touch java, thankfully [16:05] oh... >.> [16:05] |newbie| (n=fabio@host38-237-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:05] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [16:05] OldGringo: that joke is almost older than dirt :) [16:05] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:06] Is there a way that I can burn one iso to a disc, boot from that, and then install from a LAN with the other two images? I ran out of discs. :s. [16:06] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:06] Which came first -the dirt or the joke? [16:06] Nick change: |newbie| -> CtrlAltCa [16:08] sajes: extract all 3 isos, merge the slackware/ directories together, and share those on an NFS server... [16:08] then you can boot from the CD you burned, and do a network install [16:08] sajes: README_PXE.TXT ? ;) [16:08] appzer0: Is that the equivalent of "RTFM"? :) [16:08] (think newer Slackware versions support other types of net installs besides just NFS, too lazy to check right now...) [16:08] Urchlay: Thanks. [16:09] sajes: no but alittle [16:10] cr0w_ (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] sajes: i find the file is comprehensive (and moreover i'm french) [16:10] Nick change: cr0w_ -> cr0w [16:12] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:12] Sources and installable package for RTFM here: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/amigolinux/download/Applications/Search/rtfm/ [16:13] Dr4kk4r (i=1002@151.80.133.158) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] OldGringo: Eh? [16:13] lol [16:13] from CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT: xap/xmms: Added (again) :-) [16:14] Gpl_Source (i=0fcbe94d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b857fb47c5928ed0) joined ##slackware. [16:14] hi everyone [16:14] oh yeah [16:14] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:14] was shocked when xmms was removed [16:14] the xmms team was too =p [16:14] sajes: Just what it says, the sources and package for the RTFM program can be found there :-) Little something I puit together from other bits and pieces. [16:15] i really wish the would just move to gtk2 tho [16:15] somebody knows what is the name of the app to manage services trought a webpage in Slackware? [16:15] webmin? [16:15] Gpl_Source: webmin [16:15] thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks I just forgot it [16:15] webmin's not in a stock Slackware install though [16:17] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.26.77) joined ##slackware. [16:18] oh god webmin... [16:18] evening guys [16:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:18] qneo (n=knao@adsl-d230.84-47-28.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [16:18] for the love of god don't use that pile of shit :( [16:18] :O why not? [16:19] learn how to manage your system properly... and it's the biggest fuckup kludge of perl code ever written [16:19] and anyone that writes perl code would never using sometihng that ugly lol [16:20] 16,000+ files worth of perl code as I recall [16:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [16:20] Gpl_Source : if you want a web based management, you're looking at the wrong distribution [16:20] Longest package listing I ever saw [16:21] if you're looking at web-based management, don't use webmin... [16:21] yeah, OldGringo, it's horrible =p [16:21] nagios is maybe a better alternative? [16:21] I feel like I dont need to upgrade to slackware 12.2 [16:22] so why would you upgrade then? =p [16:22] nagios is for monitoring [16:22] Necos: Do you get these feeling often? [16:23] you need to upgrade to be a cool guy and the most famous ppl in the gang [16:23] Sorry about the nagios tip, I've only heard of it. [16:23] [tessai@tessai:~ #]> cat /etc/slackware-version [16:23] Slackware 12.1.0 [16:23] don't forget to put the fancy touch [16:23] $ cat /etc/slackware-version [16:23] Slackware 9.0.0 [16:24] Yeah right, Robby! [16:24] Still working fine. :) [16:24] Slackware 8.0.0 (on the router at the other office) [16:24] lol [16:24] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [16:24] My 8.1 still works fine, too. [16:24] OldGringo: you might think I'm kidding, but I'm not. [16:24] hell, i got still a few production slack 8.1 servers [16:24] However, that's not *my* machine - it's someone elses. [16:24] and I still have my Slackware 3.5 cd's at home [16:24] lol on what box? =p [16:24] (original from Walnut Creek) [16:24] Oh I do believe you, but I'll guess you spend more time in a current box. [16:25] OldGringo: just a bit :) [16:25] alienBOB uses all those qemu images lol [16:25] I cut my teeth on slackware-3.3 running in macBochs... [16:25] the wife was just going through my cd collection last night and was wondering why I stil have those old CD's [16:25] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-92.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] i cut my teeth on slackware 9 on a laptop (gateway solo 2150 if i remember correctly) [16:26] alsonken1: Never know when you might have guests and need extra coasters [16:26] I started when SLS was downloaded onto floppies from my OS/2 machine [16:26] wow; I wish I'd gotten into it then. [16:26] not really - there were some major issues with some of the graphics cards back then [16:27] Robby, were you already born then? [16:27] haha [16:27] Yeah, I graduated HS in 95 [16:27] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [16:27] I retired from the Navy in 96 :) [16:27] rworkman: Sodid i [16:27] rworkman: I am gnashley just so you know. [16:27] alisonken1: you're old. [16:27] OldGringo: ahhh [16:27] I was born in 92. [16:28] not as old as OldFogie - but I do have some years on me ;) [16:28] OldGringo: I was wondering. You seemed familiar :) [16:28] alisonken1: you and Old_Fogie aren't old - the word is "experienced" :) [16:28] You can take the boy outta the country, but... [16:28] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] hehe [16:28] rk4n3: at least that's what I tell the wife [16:28] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] haha - yeah, me too [16:29] ... funny how it doesn't seem to help [16:29] " I may grow old but I refuse to grow up" [16:29] rworkman, you're older than ME? wow.... [16:29] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] who let the grandpas in ##slackware again? [16:29] Action: slackytude hides [16:29] OldGringo: about that Cruzer U3, I can't help but think a dd over the raw device and then writing a new boot sector should make the darn thing work fine. [16:29] hey rworkman, does mplayer-codecs-all contain the qclp codec? [16:29] The grandpa of all grandpas rules this channel [16:29] TwinReverb: 31 [16:30] same here [16:30] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [16:30] but i graduated HS in 96 [16:30] hmmm - I think I was on a cruiser in the Indian Ocean when I was 31 [16:30] awkward. i'm also 31 [16:30] limac: seems not, if that's how it's named. [16:31] ananke: no you aren't [16:31] no way [16:31] Action: Dominian is 32 you bastards [16:31] young uns all of you [16:31] Dominian : true. i'll be 31 in a month [16:31] rworkman: it's actually the Qualcomm PureVoice or the qclp. [16:31] ananke: bastard [16:31] ananke: I could've swore you were older [16:31] close enough for the sake of conversation [16:32] ananke: not for my 6yo - he's at the "have to be exact" stage :) [16:32] limac: I have a qdv codec in there [16:32] hehehe [16:32] c0nflict (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] rworkman: I figured that dd ought to wipe those drives alright, but as I said I never had my hands on one to play with. [16:32] OldGringo: try using cfdisk on it? [16:33] OldGringo: well, I'll find out. The one that still has U3 on it is my wife's, so if I screw it up, I'll just give her mine [16:33] hmmmm, i don't feel that old anymore... i'm 28 =p [16:33] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Client Quit [16:33] alisonken1: I don't have the drive, I was just trying to help someone else on the forum that has one. [16:33] ahhh [16:35] rworkman: ah cool, actually I think I found the source from qualcomm's website ;) [16:35] Dominian, administring windows makes you older ;) [16:35] nachox: shaddup [16:36] lol [16:36] damn kids [16:36] what? no happy new year? :) [16:36] hehe [16:36] apparently not nachox =p [16:37] limac: good :) [16:37] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:37] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:37] cr0w (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [16:38] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [16:41] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.235.204) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:41] acidchild (n=ash@208.92.235.204) joined ##slackware. [16:42] w000t [16:42] appzer0 (n=chatzill@88.188.134.86) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [16:47] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:48] confrey (n=dario@94.163.216.69) joined ##slackware. [16:48] hi everybody [16:48] c0nflict (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-92.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:49] I've a eeepc, bought in switzerland, I'm italian, I don't know how to set the correct layout in X; in console I have a ch-german keyboard [16:50] confrey: did you user the full install when installing slack? [16:51] s/user/use [16:51] yes [16:51] so this is the first time you are loggin in? [16:51] I'm in ubuntu now [16:52] because I haven't wifi yet in slackware [16:52] confrey: oh so did you boot into slack yet? [16:52] as in before. [16:53] in slack I have the correct layout in console, in X I have us keyboard; I don't know what type of keyb (104, 105?) and map to use (ch? de?) [16:53] ALVAN (n=uyjkgh@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] which file is lunched during slackware instalation, it`s call 'setup' [16:55] mac-: is that a question? [16:56] limac, can you help me? [16:56] yep [16:56] mac-: yep. [16:56] hmm [16:56] confrey: sure, but sorry, I don't exactly get what you are trying to acheive. [16:56] but which file is launched then, which file from instalation cd ? [16:56] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:56] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:57] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [16:57] limac, I want to know the exact numeric code (104, 105?) and international suffix (ch?de?)of ky keyboard [16:57] mac-: when you put the cd in, and boot into it, you choose your keyb layout, then you login as root, partition the disk appropriately, run setup, and follow the prompts. Does that answer your question? [16:57] impulsief (n=impulsie@85-156-48-181.elisa-mobile.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:58] this is instalation flow [16:58] I have a qwertz, with üèand öé on right side of P and L [16:58] but i wish to start 'setup' script from flow that You wrote upper, and follow instalation [16:59] confrey: de is the german layout. [16:59] but I don`t know which file is this magic 'setup' [16:59] "which setup" after booting into the install cd [16:59] limac, I don't know it... thanks [16:59] In the Slackware installer int is /usr/lib/setup [17:00] confrey (n=dario@94.163.216.69) left irc: "Sto andando via" [17:00] In the Slackware installer *it is /usr/lib/setup [17:00] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:00] After installation, the setup program will not be available on your disk mac- ... it does not get installed [17:01] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) joined ##slackware. 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[17:06] impulsief (n=impulsie@85-156-48-181.elisa-mobile.fi) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:06] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:07] mac-: you have to boot from the live cd in order to run setup - there are some dependencies in the scripts that _assume_ that you're running from the install cd [17:08] ]cipher[ (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) joined ##slackware. [17:08] ]cipher[ (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) left irc: Client Quit [17:08] hmmm... who was doing the work with the d3x yesterday? [17:08] lol [17:09] alisonken1: and there is no other way to get install slackware form mounted instalation disk ? [17:09] appzer0 (n=fxchdgh@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [17:09] ]cipher (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) joined ##slackware. [17:09] mac-: short of rolling your own setup script to run from a live system, no. the setup scripts are simplified, but because they are simple, you need to boot from the live CD in order to run it [17:09] ]cipher (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] so bad [17:10] Anyone know the keyboard shortcut to move a window in XFCE? [17:10] they were created that way to keep the system setup reasonably simple [17:10] Gargantua, Ctrl +Alt+Arrow [17:11] thanks [17:11] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) joined ##slackware. [17:11] when I`ve boot from instalation CD of my SCSI DVD, my hard drive on IDE can`t be installed with slackware becaouse self-unmount of install cd :/ [17:11] Gargantua, no Shift+Alt+arrow [17:11] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:13] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] mac-: the install setup unmounts the cd after boot, so that's probably not the issue. setup asks you where you want to install to - which it believes you want to do a fresh install [17:17] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [17:18] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CED3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [17:18] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:41] i wouldnt know a PF Flyer if it jumped up and kicked me [17:41] they look sort of like converse all stars, basic canvas sneaker [17:42] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] my old sneakers had a blowout, on warmer days i cant work in boots they make my feet too hot [17:42] Weird.. it seems as if the trackball gets slower and slower after every consecutive suspend to ram/disk [17:43] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] battery getting low? [17:45] MIOW (n=MIOW@87.237.114.21) joined ##slackware. [17:45] twolf__ (n=twolf@99-164-160-101.lightspeed.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] maybe it's going to sleep and having a hard time waking up, it needs some coffee :) [17:47] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[18:04] Necos: Well, yes [18:05] i mean, if you unplug it while it's in STR mode, the stupid speedstep will slow it down [18:05] my gateway notebook is notorious for that problem [18:06] Hmmm... [18:06] Keveam112 (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:06] Necos: Thanks for the pointer. I'll look into that. [18:07] Necos: Do you ever hibernate? [18:07] alkos333, i only in the winter [18:08] Why only in the winter? [18:08] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.225.12) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:09] alkos333, like the bears [18:09] roftl [18:09] LnxSlck: Well, good think my ThinkPad is not a bear :) [18:10] *thing [18:10] lool [18:10] thinkpad = ibm laptop [18:10] ? [18:10] I would have been screwed [18:10] LnxSlck: Yep [18:10] Now Lenovo's [18:10] how is it with slackware? [18:10] everything working ? [18:10] Perfect [18:11] Yep, everything [18:11] out of the box? [18:11] or needed some thinkering [18:11] LnxSlck: Definitely needed additional work. [18:11] wireless card maybe ? [18:12] Mostly Mostly hotkeys, etc. [18:12] oh [18:12] i don't even bother with that [18:12] LnxSlck: Wireless driver has been in the mainline since 2.6.24 [18:12] itsjustme (n=itsjustm@189-30-5-28.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:12] nice [18:13] LnxSlck: It's more so now because several SlackBuilds have been added ... like hdapsd and tp_smapi .. and the kernel has included several drivers, etc. [18:13] It used to be a lot more work [18:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [18:14] i imagine [18:14] i never bother with that [18:14] not hotkeys whatsoever [18:14] Yes, well hotkeys and ACPI even/action would be the most cumbersome if you bought one now. [18:14] Everything else has been more or less taken care of. [18:15] upstream [18:15] do you need hotkeys for what? [18:16] I do everything via keyboard. [18:16] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-24-131-55-107.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [18:16] I don't really use my trackball much [18:16] sorry about that alkos333... but yeah, i do hibernate it [18:16] and intel speedstep is stupid [18:16] Necos: It's cool. So how do you deal with it? [18:17] kilano (n=kilano@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Necos: Yes, my X config uses an intel driver as well. [18:17] turn the machine off [18:17] lol [18:17] Necos: Well, so far that's been my solution - reboot :P [18:17] but intel speedstep is bios-based tho =p [18:18] jfsantos (n=jfsantos@unaffiliated/jfsantos) joined ##slackware. [18:18] kilano (n=kilano@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [18:19] and i'm guessing it was a bug in the processor, because it should scale better with power levels [18:19] Ah... [18:19] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:19] it's basically supposed to scale your cpu speed based on how much battery is left... [18:20] in practice it fucks up tho, since it doesn't raise your cpu power when you plug it back in [18:20] So you are talking about the cpu frequency scaling [18:21] yeah, that's what speedstep is :) [18:21] I use powersave and performance and I have a powercontrol.sh in /etc/acpi/actions which takes care of it when ACPI even takes place [18:21] *events takes place [18:22] except that speedstep is in the hardware [18:22] http://rafb.net/p/uDAWaA56.html [18:23] I'm having some trouble using cpan2tgz on 12.2 [18:23] after going through the configuration after first running it, I get an error message "Failed to find module: build_requires" after which cpan2tgz quits [18:23] That's what tp_smapi does. It's in the kernel and it provides hardware state information [18:23] google's thrown nothing of use up. does anyone have any pointers? [18:23] Necos: Primarily battery related [18:25] WallRat007 (n=wallrat0@c-98-216-211-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:26] WallRat007 (n=wallrat0@c-98-216-211-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [18:29] do u think wine 1.18 package for slack 12.1 will work fine on 12.2? [18:29] its a predone tgz. [18:29] probably [18:30] thats what i figured, but on definate guarantee i spose. [18:30] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [18:30] no rather [18:30] ldd /usr/bin/wine would say if it's missing anything [18:30] s/say/complain [18:31] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:31] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:31] oh cool, thx for tip thrice. [18:32] alkos333: i don't see anything relating to the actual speedstep scaling :) [18:33] and i've seen this on the R52 as well (1860-CTO), which we have here at my job [18:35] Hmmm.. [18:35] k [18:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_speedstep [18:38] thrice, if it just reports the links but doesn't say anything obvious, then its ok (re ldd) [18:39] rather , there are 2 -> that have no path [18:39] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [18:39] are those problems [18:40] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.50.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:40] yes [18:40] paste it to pastebin.ca [18:40] Necos: Thanks for the link! [18:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] because the implementation is a software/hardware combo, somethin is fucking up, but i'm not sure which lol [18:42] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] my guess is the hardware since it happens on two unrelated platforms [18:42] lol [18:42] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left ##slackware ("Hold onto your butts."). [18:42] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [18:43] Necos, thx: [18:43] http://pastebin.ca/1301290 [18:43] perhaps the prob was i used upgradepkg from rworkman's wine 1.01 to a linuxpackages.net 1.18 [18:44] ewwww [18:44] why the hell did you do that? [18:44] er... ;) lazy. would it have been better to uninstall and install the tgz clean, or is it the linuxpackages.net bit that i deserve the hit. [18:44] the linuxpackages one is fucked up... [18:44] oh! [18:45] ok [18:45] libwine.so.1 => /usr/bin/../lib/libwine.so.1 (0xb7f72000) <--- this looks mighty suspect to me [18:45] rworkman: I take it you are not going to make it tonight [18:45] rworkman is on his way to the LUG he told me some time ago [18:45] ok. so Necos, shall i just modify rworkmans slackbuild and get latest wine source and try that [18:46] and get rid of that crap linuxpackages install asap [18:46] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [18:46] There is no 1.18 wine guitarman4 [18:46] doing that now [18:46] thanks alienBOB [18:46] oh no! [18:46] ack, i'm such a nob [18:46] heya alienBOB [18:46] Braqoon (i=1000@78.148.108.195) joined ##slackware. [18:46] guitarman4 I have 1.10 (1.12 is most current) here- http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine/pkg/12.2/ [18:47] That package _will_ work [18:47] i was going to ask you about those qemu images you use to build on old slack versions [18:47] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] if that made any sense lol [18:47] Necos: yes? [18:47] alienBOB, thanks thats very kindof you. [18:47] Necos: what was the question? [18:47] how did you set those up? [18:48] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] and are they compatible with anything other than qemu lol [18:48] hi all, does anyone had any problem with usb hdd's ? just got brand new and if i'm doing a big transfer i got I/O errors after some period of time? does about same time always [18:49] have you had any problems with it on any other computers? [18:49] never tried [18:49] jfsantos (n=jfsantos@unaffiliated/jfsantos) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.5" [18:49] just got it out of the box [18:49] but just wondering is there maybe something common that i missed [18:50] filesystem seems have no efect [18:50] hmmm... /usr/bin/../lib/libwine.so.1... wow, that's a really stupid way of saying /usr/lib/libwine.so.1 lol [18:50] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-000a0be9ba72c71e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] tried on ext3 and xfs but same result [18:50] Guys I just had a revelation [18:50] i use ntfs and fat32 on my external drives with no problem too... [18:50] Braqoon: maybe some energy saving related issue [18:50] I think RMS is the second coming of christ. [18:51] gbonvehi : don't thinks so, it has external power supply ( it's 320GB hdd) [18:51] or Satans offspring [18:52] and i don't really want to use fat32 as a safe solution on my backup :) [18:52] Necos: I install every version of Slackware as a qemu image, since 10.2 I think. So that I can build clean packages for many releases if I need to [18:52] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:52] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [18:52] itsjustme (n=itsjustm@189-30-5-28.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: [18:53] I use a kind of snapshotting (basically a copy-on-write image that I delete after running QEMU) so that I start with the exact same vanilla Slackware release every time [18:53] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] ah [18:53] that's what i was interested in... [18:53] special feature in qemu? [18:54] Gargantua: did i detect a certain amount of sarcasm there? [18:55] i detect a kick-in-the-ass level of sarcasm :) [18:55] Maybe he's the anti-christ disguised in the form of the second coming of christ?!? [18:55] Action: Gargantua puts on his tinfoil hat [18:55] Action: Necos sets Gargantua on fire [18:55] ZOMG USE TOR [18:55] satans is here [18:56] you just arrived :P [18:56] hmmmm [18:56] Tor on windows is like pantyhoes on a 40 yo man [18:56] lol [18:57] ugh. apple is bunch of jerks [18:57] They made their ipod firmware flasher ONLY work with Genuine Apple Wall Charger or whatever [18:57] lol [18:57] so you can't use... say... a powered usb hub [18:57] AND THEN [18:58] but hey, they're removing the drm lol [18:58] they stopped included the wall charger with new ipods and sell it as a $30 accessory [18:58] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:58] so if you want to update your firmware.... which requires downloading itunes and dealing with that mess as well [18:58] you also have to go buy a charger from them [18:58] hmmm Necos , alienBOB, strange, after uninstalling the bad linuxpackages.net wine, and installing alienbob's 12.2 package, i still have the same missing ldd links as in the previous pastebin [18:59] even though you already have several perfectly fine usb power sources [18:59] not even griffin "for ipod" chargers work, apparently. [18:59] they want more of your cabbage hiptobecubic [18:59] are you using 12.2 guitarman4? [18:59] they must have some hidden trash in their a/c adapter [18:59] Necos, yahg his 12.2 package on slacware 12.2 [19:00] i'm missing the ssh-tunnel command for some reason [19:00] someone plz help [19:00] i still have not ever bought an ipod or any other mp3 player gadget thingy [19:00] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:00] eh? stunnel? [19:00] is that what the command is now [19:01] no don't have that either [19:01] i don't know, but tunneling is an option in the ssh command itself [19:01] ssh-tunnel was probably just an alias to that [19:01] XDS2010: you aren't missing some ssh tunnel command, ssh uses switch to set that up [19:01] qartis (n=qartis@218.109.147.154) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 9060df, you have 90807f [19:02] XDS2010, ssh -D user@host [19:02] Necos: check out the qcow image format (man qemu-img) [19:02] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.145.140) joined ##slackware. [19:02] this is what i want to do... [19:02] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:03] alias ssh-tunnel='ssh -N -v -D 8080 mydomain.com' [19:03] and then stunnel that [19:03] so would ssh -D 8080 user@host work ? [19:04] yep [19:04] i keep getting [19:04] OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 9060df, you have 90807f [19:04] wtf [19:04] then you need to install the matching version [19:04] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-d28787d875a9465e) joined ##slackware. [19:04] crap [19:04] XDS2010: faulty mix of Slackware pacage versions? [19:04] XDS2010: what version of slackware are you using? [19:05] v4nelle (n=van@athedsl-08324.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] Braqoon (i=1000@78.148.108.195) left irc: [19:05] 12.1 i think [19:05] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [19:06] how do i uninstall a package i installed ? [19:06] slackbook candidate [19:06] Action: Necos ^5's nullboy [19:07] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:08] ? [19:08] how do i uninstall a package i installed ? [19:08] XDS2010: removepkg [19:09] eek [19:10] Necos - this is the linux-gate.so.1 info: It.s a one-page-long .virtual. shared library provided by the kernel itself. Don.t go looking for it in your filesystem; you won.t find it. [19:10] ;) [19:10] :( [19:10] ohhhhhh crap [19:10] ah lol guitarman4 [19:10] i fucked SOMETHING up [19:10] lol [19:10] XDS2010: just leave [19:11] let me guess, you removed ssh-solibs, huh? [19:11] and your computer decided to have a fun death lol [19:11] no i did removepkg and it removed ssl alright :) [19:11] and all its dependencies too :) [19:11] Cant be [19:11] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:12] Slackware does not know dependencies [19:12] ummmm, who told you to remove ssl? and pkgtools doesn't do stupid shti like that [19:12] muduck [19:12] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [19:12] XDS2010: more thanl ikely your mis-use of removepkg removed dependencies [19:12] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.116.248.224.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] s/shti/shit/; [19:12] :) [19:12] guitarman4: what missing ldd links? [19:12] Dominian: more than likely [19:13] i bet he used * [19:13] lol [19:13] heh [19:13] doh [19:13] that'll do it [19:13] qartis (n=qartis@218.109.149.196) joined ##slackware. [19:13] or removepkg ssl* [19:13] ssh* [19:13] see? :) [19:13] yeah, that was stupid [19:14] ok im dumb [19:14] congratulations, you're a dumbass :) [19:14] :) [19:14] !!! hell yeah [19:14] I wanna be a dumbass! [19:14] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [19:14] lol [19:14] I hope some op can push you trough your goal [19:15] amen [19:15] hope so ! [19:15] a lot of stuff is gonna break now lol [19:15] Meanwhile, time to buy water and coke [19:15] drop kick me jesus through the goal post of life - Janis Joplin [19:16] lol [19:16] backup - reboot - startover :) [19:16] XDS |Done [19:16] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:16] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-14.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] alienBOB - yeah ldd /usr/bin/wine .. i was puzzled as to the 2 non linked items - as it turns out they are nothing to worry about. [19:17] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:18] XDS2010 ... i usually remove my packages as removepkg /var/log/packages/packagename ... because u can ls the contents first and be sure whats there. [19:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.63) joined ##slackware. [19:18] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:18] XDS2010 - its ok, we've all made mistakes and continue to do so [19:19] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [19:20] who knew copying 35gigs of anime on to a usb hdd would take this long :( [19:20] s/anime/porn/ [19:20] so i have this dell lattitude c610, and ever since i installed 12.2 on it, it keeps freezing up after a day or so of being on, anyone else seeing something liek this? [19:20] i checked all the logs i can think of and they all just stop, no messages to tell me whats goin on at all [19:20] alienBOB - you have a fantastic slackbuilds repo. :) i appreciate you letting me know about it [19:21] it's the complete ranma 1/2, including movies and the ovas [19:21] i ran 11.0 on it just fine for a long time, so i wonder if its somethin in 12.2 [19:21] is there a doc on using sendmail on Slack 12.2? [19:21] 161eps >.< [19:21] ag3ntugly: Overheating? [19:21] jkwood: if it is, its not puttin anything in the logs about it [19:21] and it stays on [19:21] its just not responsive at all [19:21] im gonna try not running x for a few days to see if that helps [19:22] why do you leave it on for so long? lol [19:22] guitarman4: I guess you were the last to get to know the URL here :-) [19:23] http://pastebin.ca/1300901 sendmail start up output. what does it mean? Or what did I miss? I'm on Slackware 12.2 [19:23] lol alienBOB [19:23] Well, if it's overheating, then it's the hardware freezing, and you're not likely to see anything in the logs. [19:23] alienBOB - yeah, I slacked since 11.0 but havent' been in irc till recently. i vaguely recall seeing your repo but my needs have been fullfilled mostly by slack packages default. [19:24] guitarman4: so are you unaware of http://slackbuilds.org as well? [19:25] guitarman4: type "/topic" and check out *all* the URLs [19:25] guitarman4: that way you dont stand out like a n00b ;-) [19:25] hahahahaha [19:25] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [19:26] i did a system replacement today for a workstation that had blown 6 capacitors on the motherboard [19:26] guitarman4: thanks for the kind words [19:26] how the hell did it blow 6 caps? [19:26] preciate it. [19:27] finny.. our TV blew 2 capacitors just after the evening news.. i bet it didnt like the images of the prime minister [19:27] nullboy, what kind of caps were they? [19:27] it must have been one made with those crappy capacitors [19:27] one sec i'll look [19:27] s/finny/funny/ [19:27] i have a motherboard that needs four caps, if i can find replacements i might put a PC together [19:28] crapacitors [19:28] Electrolytic, I would guess. [19:28] yup [19:28] smt or through whole? If they're through whole I can replace them :) [19:29] filled with a roll of tinfoil & wax paper rolled up and a dab of oil [19:29] news flash. I don't think things through. [19:29] lol [19:29] aleinBOB - i'm aware of slackbuilds, and use sbopkg.. i find lately sbopkg isn't working as well - either not downloading (not allowed) or md5 is not a match. [19:29] congratulations [19:29] XDS2010 - np. :) [19:29] :D [19:29] So i'm trying to trick my ipod into believe it's plugged in to the wall [19:29] well i'm outa here , gotta do damage control l8 [19:29] XDS2010 (i=48dd7097@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-db723b60417347c5) left ##slackware. [19:29] Through hole, I should thing. [19:30] i cover the data pins (usb) with paper [19:30] Action: jescis has soldier and a soldering station. ;) [19:30] plug it in [19:30] doesn't work [19:30] unplug it... paper is stuck in computer [19:30] Try to get it out..... with scissors. [19:30] short out usb port [19:30] lol [19:30] fail [19:30] i now have 2 [19:30] lol [19:30] hooray for science! [19:31] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-14.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:31] jkwood, most caps are smt nowadays >.> [19:31] just the small ones [19:31] jescis: That's a pretty bold statement. [19:32] most cats are smart nowadays. [19:32] jkwood, I bet you most caps on motherboards are smt for space reasons. [19:33] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [19:34] i only know of three types of caps, electrolytic, ceramic disc, and those shiny metalic green ones (forget the name of the third type but i know em when i see them) [19:34] I'd think electrolytic for $$$ reasons. [19:34] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] oh, almost forgot, variable air capacitors (only used in old radios) [19:35] jkwood, there are only 20 through whole caps on my KM4M-v that I could replace if one burned out. [19:36] I think the idea is that your computer should go obsolete long before capacitors have a chance to go bad. [19:37] Gpl_Source (i=0fcbe94d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b857fb47c5928ed0) left ##slackware. [19:38] bah! electrolytic capacitors are sometimes made so cheaply that they pop long before anything else is even close to wearing out [19:38] € [19:38] yes.. there has been some pretty big batches of bad ones out [19:39] it is those damn chinese manufacturers, they would kill babies for profit [19:40] erm it's our manufacturers that insist on using cheap labour/production from east [19:40] keeps costs down here [19:40] lol@ Pig_Pen and the truth that was put forth. [19:42] they might also be the reason I have no job/career [19:43] bono (i=bono@118-160-169-134.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] So is abortion for profit less desirable than abortion for free? [19:43] well that is a problem [19:43] dive you do make a good point, when profit is put in front of integrity and quality then the crap products is what happens [19:43] yes Pig_Pen [19:43] dive: keeps profits high [19:44] jkwood, I think if you agree/disagree with abortion then you would still do so whether it's for profit or not [19:44] like when shopping for anything electronic, if you buy cheap you get cheap, it is worth the extra money to get the higher end gear [19:44] i go big since it's only 39 cents more [19:44] straterra, yes exactly [19:45] nullboy: That's what she said. [19:45] well today i bought a new car battery charger - cost twice as much as my old one, is made of metal rather than plastic and has more features and will hopefully last a bit longer [19:46] as the old addage goes... you get what you paid for ;) [19:46] yep [19:47] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] also I went to a proper motor accessories shop and not to halfords which is where the last pos one came from [19:48] a trade shop [19:48] Action: jescis wishes he had 13-15,000$ to get a laser turntable -_- [19:48] the first 3 pages of the manual were about safety... [19:48] 3 out of 4 [19:49] laser turntable? [19:49] wow o.0 [19:49] i wish i had millions :D [19:49] wassat [19:49] see ya guys tomorri [19:49] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "The light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming dragon." [19:50] jescis, what is a laser turntable? [19:50] I'm going to read the slackware 12.1->12.2 doc now, you guys have good exp with it? [19:50] of course :) [19:50] i would buy an oil drilling rig derrick and get a backhoe and dig a 8 foot hole and cement it in to the ground and use it as an antenna tower and install the finest antennas money could buy [19:50] how long did it take you? [19:50] briareus: it's a good document. [19:50] briareus: 25 minutes? [19:50] briareus, yes it was very straightforward [19:50] dive, a record player that reads the discs with lasders instead of needles. [19:51] jescis, ah [19:51] never seen one.. [19:51] if the record is broken it will still play :) [19:52] but how does the sound fare with stylus? [19:52] I've been to the companies site. But I forget who makes it. [19:53] I think you would need to have some *very* good old vinyls to warrant that exspense [19:53] oh yeah [19:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agfV_CFnfg4 [19:53] Holy shit [19:54] I have 78 rpm records that would play better on that machine then they would with a styli [19:55] Gargantua: why did you post a link to that crap? [19:55] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] dive, check out www.elpj.com that's who makes it. [19:56] "To do this, you'll need the Slackware 12.2 packages." ...you said it's straightforward, but I'm not sure where to get all those. I'm browsing for 12.2 packages from the slackware page but is there a master link with all the packages I can wget or something? [19:56] any mirror? [19:56] nullboy: Oi oi! [19:56] I know you guys do it manually but I'm not just going to get package by package all of 12.2 am I? [19:56] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:57] http://slackware.osuosl.org/ [19:57] briareus: one at a time? [19:57] yeah, what nullboy said, use a mirror, dont go hammering Pat's ftp [19:57] what are you talking about [19:57] Just rsync the mirror. [19:57] If you need them all [19:57] I don't know if I need them all, I only know what that quote above says [19:57] "To do this, you'll need the Slackware 12.2 packages." [19:58] referring to this: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/UPGRADE.TXT [19:58] Then you'll need the 12.2 package for anything you have installed... [19:59] does that mean I go through and find only the sources for everything I happen to have now? [19:59] you would be better off getting the DVD ISO or at least CDrom ISOs [19:59] Best to just rsync the disksets you need. [19:59] briareus: you don't need sources at alll [19:59] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-d28787d875a9465e) left irc: "Leaving" [20:00] I didn't think I needed sources, I just don't know if I'm supposed to get all packages for 12.2 or just go through and write down every single thing I have installed and go get them all or what [20:00] dive, the LT-XRC is the one that would do for my needs >.> [20:00] Gargantua, at least it's not as bad as rick-rolling people on irc but still [20:00] Pig_Pen: you mean just install anew? [20:01] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: "leaving" [20:01] dive, the LT-1XRC that is. [20:01] i don't see why you need to write anything down, all that is stored in /var/log/packages anyway and tools like slackpkg read that [20:01] its up to you, personally i just save /home and /etc and do a clean install [20:01] lol [20:01] it's a holiday rickroll [20:01] Pig_Pen: that's what I usually do too [20:01] if you do it the way UPGRADE.txt says to you still don't need to write anything down [20:02] well... at least it isnt goats.cx or tubgirl Gargantua [20:02] lol [20:02] I'm already pulling the 12.2 cds for a second machine so I might as well do it that way, it seems easier than whats on that upgrade.txt [20:02] it is the same method.... [20:02] could always put /home on a separate partition and leave it alone [20:02] dive: I do [20:02] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:02] what the hell though [20:02] thats what i do, /home lives in its own separate disk partition [20:03] I'll try to use the install iso to upgrade here on this machine and if it doesn't work I'll reinstall [20:03] nille_ (i=1000@c-ee63e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [20:03] there is nothing wrong with the UPGRADE.txt method...you can use the CD's, a local rsync, an internet mirror, or whatever. the only thing that changes is YOUR method of make the new packages available for the pkgtools [20:04] i only save /etc to use as a reference to make configuring things easier, i don't copy anything over to the new install [20:04] nullboy: I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, sheesh you are always on the attack. [20:04] cipher (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) joined ##slackware. [20:04] briareus: it doesn't matter that you have the CD...you still need to follow the UPGRADE.txt general idea [20:04] Action: jescis can't wait for tonight at 9:30 CST [20:04] Action: jescis will have fun playing and singing to others on open mic :> [20:04] I just said I was going to use the install iso to follow the upgrade and if it didnt work I'd reinstall, that's not saying there is anything wrong with anything [20:05] _ohm (n=nava@nom19473a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:05] CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT !! At least as important as UPGRADE.TXT [20:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [20:06] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [20:07] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:09] alienBOB: thanks I pulled that one down [20:09] alienBOB: even more important IMHO. 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[20:17] greetings and salutations [20:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-11491.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-11491.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:18] low dare andarius [20:18] salutations XGizzmo_ [20:19] hey guys trying to make a package for libcap (to get virtualbox working) in one of the files it has a header [20:19] <_NaCl_> Slackware already has libcap [20:19] does it? [20:20] <_NaCl_> libcap-2.14-i486-1 [20:20] blah [20:20] lol thx _NaCl_ [20:20] Has anyone here actually *used* any of the CLI PIM apps available? [20:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] <_NaCl_> Shrp_: virtualbox is looking for the library in another place [20:20] yeh prolly need to give it a symlink [20:21] <_NaCl_> That's what I did, and it worked after that. [20:21] i actually dont have it installed [20:21] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [20:21] <_NaCl_> It's in 12.2 [20:22] i see it [20:22] i'm still on 12.1.. eh, -current (from months ago) [20:23] I don't recall having to make such a simlink for my virtualbox to work, but maybe i did and don't recall [20:23] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.26.77) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:24] briareus: the newer 2.1 version of virtualbox requires it [20:24] older ones dont [20:24] ah, I think I'm using 2.0 maybe [20:24] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] yeah, 2.0.2 [20:25] so I can expect that in the 12.2? good to know [20:25] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:25] <_NaCl_> Still going to need to symlink it to /usr/lib [20:26] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.145.140) joined ##slackware. [20:28] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:28] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [20:33] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] _ohm (n=nava@nom19473a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [20:38] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.217) joined ##slackware. [20:38] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:38] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:40] appzer0 (n=fxchdgh@88.188.134.86) left irc: "Quitte" [20:41] does the installer look for a usb keyboard? [20:42] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [20:43] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] briareus: most usb keyboards are handled at the bios level nowadays [20:44] are you having a problem? [20:45] well, on my system that I will be installing to, I couldn't get it to recognize the usb until it had autobooted into default kernel [20:46] you may check the bios for a setting pertaining to USB and legacy devices [20:46] it's a computer that up until the time the keyboard died it was ps2 so I never checked the bios for usb [20:46] so i plugged in the usb today and no go until kernel boot, I dont know if that will cause me trouble in the install, I don't have a ps2 in the house [20:47] once it is booted if you have KB you will be fine [20:47] that's what I hoped, cool [20:48] burning the iso's now so i didn't want to go have to track down some old ps2 [20:49] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:53] look at the bright side of downloading & burning ISOs, now you can install it on other pcs more easily :D [20:53] actually that's why I am downloading them [20:53] my 22" monitor showed up today, a week ahead of schedule, so I'm installing 12.2 to the old computer since I can't remember it's passwords anyway [20:54] bah firefox 3 now seems damn slow... [20:55] firefox has lost its original purpose of being light and fast, feature bloat will make it pointless and people will start using seamonkey [20:55] wasnt firefox 2.x even slower? [20:55] FF 3.x is much faster than 2.x [20:56] i thought firefox 1.x was plenty good on features, 2.x is ok, but 3.x will make me go back to using seamonkey [20:56] I have the binaries from mozilla and its not worth the speed [20:56] I think that neither is compiling it from source [20:57] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] can I get to a prompt from the installer? [21:01] oh, the exit, cool, I thought it would reboot [21:01] umm, it starts @ the prompt [21:02] ohh, after you are in the actual, yes. exit :) [21:04] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [21:07] ugh [21:07] I love how fast picasa is, but i'm getting frustrated with how uncustomizable it is. [21:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.145.140) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] Action: hiptobecubic misses fspot [21:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:11] anyone used oleo? [21:11] The fake butter? [21:12] yes the spreadsheet app [21:12] heh [21:12] site says it is unmaintained [21:12] i found it on google when searching for console spreadsheet apps [21:12] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.16.37) left irc: "Leaving" [21:12] what about sc? [21:12] but i had some make errors and wondered if was really worth the effort to fix [21:13] ]sc? [21:13] is that console? [21:13] dive, try it [21:13] think i tried it but not sure [21:13] sc - spreadsheet calculator [21:13] i will avalook [21:13] man sc [21:13] rght [21:13] personally, i hate it. but then, i'm used to excel [21:13] chasmo (n=chas@69.4.149.188) joined ##slackware. [21:19] dive: oleo is broken? [21:20] well i had some make error but i cant remember what [21:20] dont remember if it was missing lib or what [21:20] dios_mio (i=test@88.242.164.160) left irc: Connection timed out [21:20] i will have a look when ive finished playing with sc [21:21] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left ##slackware. [21:21] baradude (n=baradude@58.137.93.218) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Why am I not getting email to my server? I followed the slackbasics.org's instructions for sendmail. Do I need to install fetchmail too? [21:21] i didn't like the command system in sc [21:22] How do I see open ports? I port forwarded a port for torrents, but i forgot which port it is, and for some reason, my router is giving me errors (can't access the page) [21:22] I tried using netcat [21:22] but when I do [21:22] nmap [21:22] nc -vvzu localhost 80 [21:22] nmap? [21:22] yeah it's fabbo [21:22] the man page has good examples [21:23] for host scanning nmap is hard to beat [21:23] Thank you! [21:23] that's exactly what Iw as trying to do [21:23] ...what is netcat for, then? [21:23] zenmap for the gui nutts [21:24] for seeing the raw data? [21:24] man netcat [21:24] netcat will connect to a port and cat the data either in or out [21:24] sherique (n=e@adsl-66-142-89-38.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:25] how can I disable plugins like flash and xine in seamonkey? I cant find anything yet [21:27] i can't even figure out how to use netcat [21:27] man nc [21:27] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:27] its awesome [21:27] In file included from regions.c:42: [21:27] io-term.h:47: error: array type has incomplete element type [21:27] make[2]: *** [regions.o] Error 1 [21:28] thas the oleo error [21:28] my guess is that some include has changed and oleo is too old [21:28] dive: So patch it. [21:29] hrm [21:29] andarius@ion : man nc [21:29] No manual entry for nc [21:30] if it s using array elements wrong thats gonna be a huge patch [21:30] :P [21:30] man netcat? [21:30] it is netcat on my dektop. nc in slackware [21:30] it is called netcat but the command is nc [21:30] there are two projects [21:30] nc and netcat [21:31] what?! [21:31] google [21:31] later [21:31] im gonna play with sc [21:31] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [21:31] gonna be fun cos i think i will need to use screen and open separate pages in windows [21:31] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [21:31] or something [21:32] need at least 3 sheets open at once [21:32] and i've no idea how to convert OOo to sc format [21:32] :) http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/48/Next-gnome.png [21:33] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:34] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [21:35] well i've got man nc and in the first para: netcat is a simple unix utility which reads and writes data across network connections... [21:35] so the nc that is included with slack is netcat, no? [21:36] google [21:36] dive: i believe so [21:36] at least according to the man for nc [21:38] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.63) left irc: "0x0" [21:39] MasterX831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-197-111.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:39] nc = netcat on systems I know of [21:40] if we want to dig in man pages, from nc --> Netcat was written by a guy we know as the Hobbit [21:41] from netcat --> Originally written by Giovanni Giacobbi . [21:41] that is under author [21:42] the COPYRIGHT is also different [21:44] The original version of netcat is a UNIX program. Its author is known as *Hobbit* [21:44] Netcat is fully POSIX compatible and there exist several implementations, including a rewrite from scratch known as GNU netcat, which is maintained by Giovanni Giacobbi [21:45] there is more to it than what it seems. if you really want to know as noted see google. hell, nc does not even support --version which netcat does [21:46] Action: andarius goes back to his beer and anime [21:47] you can use nc for a pdf printer if you wish :) [21:47] looks like for disabling seamonkey plugins I have to delete them [21:49] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:50] I should do that setup a nc pdf printer [21:53] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [21:56] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:56] sherique (n=e@adsl-66-142-89-38.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [21:57] rvo (n=rodrigo@adsl-138-248.click.com.py) joined ##slackware. [22:00] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-180-191.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] can someone point me to a good mirror to search for spcagui ? [22:06] I found a couple of links that are dead from google [22:08] spcagui20060127 is I think what I am looking for [22:08] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] you want us to google it? :< [22:09] No I'm googling, I'm wondering if someone has a good mirror to search through [22:09] since googling so far is not turning up much but .rpm [22:10] I know someone made a slabuild of gscpav1 and I have that, but no luck so far finding spcagui20060127 [22:10] i dont understand. you want the tgz or a slackbuild? [22:11] either, or, I can't even find the source of this thing that I can successfully make [22:11] the tgz is easily located with google. as for a slackbuild you may be out of luck [22:11] s/tgz/source/ [22:12] I found it for zenwalk but that's quite different [22:12] Action: andarius is looking at the source download now. one of the hits from google [22:13] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [22:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [22:13] yeah I found one but it's not downloading [22:14] http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/gspcav1-20071224.tar.gz [22:14] yeah that's the one [22:14] ... [22:14] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Client Quit [22:14] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] downloads here [22:15] it's not pulling for me, either through the browser or a straight wget [22:15] crap [22:15] figures [22:15] what is the name of the app ? [22:15] spcagui [22:15] spcagui ? [22:15] thrice`: the link from null is the homepage i think [22:15] bahh, nullboy even :) [22:16] that links works for me too [22:16] works here [22:16] [22:16] andarius: l2tab? ;) [22:16] Action: kitche uses fetch just so he can say works here as well [22:16] any ideas/experience/suggestions mounting a WiFi AP on a Helium balloon to cover the roads on a congested suburb? [22:17] Use good batteries. [22:17] solar too [22:17] a solar panel'd be too heavy, a weekly swap of batteries and helium oughta work [22:17] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.134.114) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:17] supergear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] that will get expensive fast [22:18] Strykar: Mount the panel on a 2nd balloon. [22:18] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [22:18] an entire suburb on one AP? [22:18] nooper: Just the roads. [22:18] nullboy, no way around that, Helium will escape and it takes just a few grams to top up [22:18] how do you limit it to just the roads? [22:19] FriedBob, hmm [22:19] FriedBob: i try not to tab complete too much. i have watched my share of people get burned due to haste. plus i need practice typing :| [22:19] As the sysadmin at work says, "Magic beans." [22:19] hehe [22:19] you don't, the idea is to cover the roads using less APs than if they were land mounted [22:20] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.92) joined ##slackware. [22:20] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-180-191.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [22:21] good night [22:21] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [22:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [22:23] i got a 6 beer sampler box of belgium and trappist style ales [22:23] got any left? [22:25] dammit [22:25] I can't get webcam working at all, I even went and got a well supported one [22:26] hey also [22:26] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/gspcav1/ [22:26] lol [22:27] yeah, that one I have, as I already said, Mr. Friendly [22:27] why are you always on the attack with me? [22:27] briareus: does your kernel have video 4 linux support? [22:27] thumbs: yes, the webcams apps I try come up for a second then segfault, or show snow [22:27] ok. [22:28] I want everyone else to call me Mr. Friendly too [22:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] the modules are loaded, the system correctly identifies the cameras when I plug them in and loads the module, its just at the gui/viewing part things go awry [22:29] Mr. Friendly: do i get some of that beer? [22:29] spcagui detects the camera, then says unable to find a StreamID and then tries a few options then segfaults. same with palantir, trying kopete now [22:30] andarius: only if you trade for naked women [22:30] bbeecher (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [22:30] if i had one of those right now i would not be on irc asking for beer :( [22:30] lol [22:30] why do you think i got the beer [22:30] rvo (n=rodrigo@adsl-138-248.click.com.py) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] you gave away your naked woman ? [22:31] he drank it already it seems andarius [22:31] it's really good beer [22:31] I dunno what I ever did to you [22:31] but whatever it is I'm sure I'm sorry [22:32] anyone here tried to use a webcam with flash lately? [22:32] i don't think it's worked since flashv9 [22:33] think you have to enable it now since they disabled it by default due to security [22:33] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:33] kopete shows a black square, palantir's pclient shows snow, spcagui segfaults, camorama & camstream & cheese won't build here [22:33] what else is there, gnomemeeting? gross [22:34] well cheese you need some gnome stuff [22:34] Windows [22:34] :) [22:34] kitche: I might be able to build cheese if I go back several iterations, their newer ones require newer stuff than in 12.1 [22:35] ekiga? [22:36] I think kopete calls ekiga [22:36] briareus: http://tinyurl.com/7kc7ao [22:36] hmm maybe not [22:36] nullboy: that link is awesome :) [22:36] lol [22:37] thank you that link solves all my problems [22:37] you're welcome [22:37] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [22:38] i wish my MBs number was bigger than my Mhz number [22:38] adobe flash player settings... camera.... cannot find camera [22:38] kitche, what is this security enabling you're talking about? [22:38] hiptobecubic: that camera is disabled by default in flash you mean? [22:39] kitche, it doesn't see a camera. [22:39] since adobe got attacked about having camera and microphone enabled by default [22:39] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.189.152) joined ##slackware. [22:40] I have never used a camera with Flash since I don't have a camera :) [22:40] hiptobecubic: http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html#117118 [22:40] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:41] I do enjoy the open antagonism, nullboy and I was told to expect it if I ran this distro, so feel free [22:44] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05a9:2640 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. [22:44] I wonder what model it is, actually [22:44] which distro is that? [22:45] looks like a laptop-integrated webcam [22:45] DELL Inspiron 1520 Integrated Webcam 05a9:2640 uvcvideo [22:45] thumbs: is that it? [22:45] yep [22:45] mr awesome face.jpg, i love that [22:45] tank-man: lol [22:45] nullboy: no, it's XPS1530 [22:45] ah [22:45] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving." [22:46] nullboy: I gave you the output from lsusb [22:46] on a lot of sites, i can't even get to flash settings [22:46] yeah and i looked it up using the vendor device id [22:46] ah [22:46] i right click and settings is greyed out, i can only click "about adobe flash player 10" [22:46] thumbs: dell probably uses the same cam in multiple laptop versions [22:46] nullboy: well it's a dell, so it might be the same [22:46] yeah [22:47] so I can't use spca [22:48] ght [22:49] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:50] of course, this bloody kernel has no linux video support. gah. [22:51] it might not matter, I've read a lot of people with issues with the kernel support there is in the newer kernels :) [22:54] which might be what I'm running into, I'm not sure yet [22:54] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-165-59.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:54] what kernel are you using? [22:55] Redenbacher [22:55] eh? [22:55] popcorn.. kernel.. nevermind [22:55] Dominian: I got it. [22:56] FriedBob: great [22:56] Action: andarius gets out the butter and pot :) [22:56] hehe [22:56] i know what it is and i was lol'ing but it was out of no where [22:56] tank-man: I just happened to switch to this window [22:56] supergear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:56] 2.6.28 [22:57] briareus: 2.6.26.1 here [22:57] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] i.e. borderline for support. [22:57] heh [22:58] granted, I might compile a new one tonight. [22:58] mrselfpwn1 (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:00] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] Action: andarius has 2.6.23.9 :o [23:00] Oh yeah? I have 3.2.8.1. [23:01] dude!! you are zee leet !! [23:01] I still run 2.4.32! [23:02] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:02] when I use heavy load of my adsl internet sometimes my ppp link goes down [23:03] I'm not sure what can be the real problem [23:03] I suspect of the modem [23:03] probably a bad modem [23:03] or jsut a shitty modem [23:04] or my isp tears down my connection [23:04] that would be breach of contract if they did ;) [23:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:04] but I dont see that the modem crashes or anything [23:05] Someone test this out. It's just s flash webcam thing. It says 'no cam found' for me, although it worked with flash 9. [23:05] does the dsl link drop? [23:05] Someone with flash 10 and a webcam, of course [23:05] Dominian: I use rp-pppoe for the connection [23:05] that's not what I asked.. heeh does the DSL signal drop? [23:06] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [23:06] do I have to see that in the modem firmware? because the isp techs locked it with password [23:06] they ever do that [23:07] dissocia1ive: what model modem is it? [23:07] Speedtouch 510v6 [23:07] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.217) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] DSL or internet or link light or something indicating DSL sync? [23:08] I havent noticed such thing [23:08] just the pppoe connection drops and then inmediatly goes up again [23:08] dissocia1ive: try running this rule [23:09] dissocia1ive: You have a DSL light.. I'm assumign its solid right now? [23:09] iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu [23:09] also do one for -A INPUT [23:10] hi. anyone know how to run something and print its exit code at the command line? [23:10] command && echo $? [23:10] I think that I can just clamp the mss in /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf [23:11] wait wait [23:11] dissocia1ive: Is your modem bridged? [23:11] baradude: as SiegeX shows - the $? is the character to print the output of the exit code of the previous command [23:11] dissocia1ive: If the "techs' got into the modem.. I'm guessing no [23:11] SiegeX: cheers! [23:11] Dominian: It is [23:12] I said to teh techies to make it bridged because I use rppppoe [23:12] typically an exit code of 0 (zero) means the command executed successfully [23:12] dissocia1ive: what are the exit codes when pppoe drops? [23:12] I had great success with my DSL modem (when I had DSL) to do pppoe "on the modem" [23:12] it should show in /var/log/messages right after the PAD gets sent [23:12] I once had a system sojacked up that /bin/false returned true. [23:13] FriedBob: talk about fun :) [23:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:13] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:13] then I would get a routeable IP and not have to worry about pppoe packets. Th [23:13] I once had a system so jacked up.. that when I did cat /etc/slackware-version it came back as Gentoo [23:13] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [23:13] hellanio (n=hellanio@201009124025.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Dominian: At least it didn't show Win-ME [23:13] heh [23:14] SiegeX: I cannot because its crappy firewall and stuff [23:14] and configure it is a waste of time [23:14] and lots of other bads [23:15] endian ftw [23:16] /var/log/messages pppd http://slackware.pastebin.com/d52ad7f5c [23:16] who is the ISP? [23:17] is there a way to see the mss size? [23:18] tcpdump [23:19] methods (n=daquino@c-68-36-221-115.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:27] mrselfpwn1 (n=mrselfpw@cpe-075-176-187-163.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] juice_ (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [23:27] methods: does this fix it? source /etc/profile [23:27] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:27] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:27] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:27] i figured it was that ... but shoudln't screen look there ? [23:28] it turns on shell colors yes but vim still isn't highlighting even though it normally does [23:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-83.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@adsl-235-197-111.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [23:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:35] methods: whats your TERM set to? [23:35] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:35] methods (n=daquino@c-68-36-221-115.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [23:36] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-159-202.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:36] spook: 2-5 net 90. [23:36] Those are my terms. [23:36] FriedBob: har har [23:37] What? Those are very generous. [23:37] no one gets net 90 [23:39] does anyone know if slackware has a script to clear /tmp like other distros or do i have do it manually? [23:39] zomg.. not manually! [23:39] Where's the GUI tool for that!? [23:39] you have to be careful, X sessions leave pipes in there as well and you can hose your currently active desktop [23:39] alisonken1home: actually on the "newer" slacks... it installs that stuff in /var/tmp [23:40] dance [23:40] Dominian, i didn't know that there was a GUI for it [23:40] dance [23:40] ack well not all of it I guess [23:40] Action: spook dances with nix_chix0r [23:40] tea4me: uhh there is n't [23:40] smoke break [23:40] Dominian: I have /tmp linked to /var/tmp which is also linked to my largest hard disk :) [23:40] tea4me: you might find the need for waders in here from time to time [23:40] there is /tmp/ksocket-USERNAME [23:41] your damn secret cookie is in there [23:41] briareus, thanks [23:41] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-70-95-159-202.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:41] you wouldn't want rm to eat your cookie now would you? [23:41] Action: andarius eats the cookie :P [23:41] especially your _secret_ cookie :) [23:42] Action: andarius eats that cookie too :P [23:42] i use fluxbox, with kdm, i can safely delete those ksocket files, seems that kdm makes them [23:42] all your cookies are belong to andarius [23:42] tea4me: just write a little script that will properly exclude things like that and cron it [23:42] just make sure your script doesn't clear out your X session cookie [23:42] [in bed] [23:42] that's stored in ~ isn't it? [23:43] .Xauthority [23:43] alisonken1home: are we starting that again? [in bed] [23:43] [totally naked] [23:43] spook: when did we stop [ in bed ]? [23:43] nullboy, yea i have rm -rf /tmp/* in rc.local_shutdown, but i was just checking because some other distros have it covered [23:43] tea4me: good place for it - don't hose your active X sessions that way [23:43] on a whim, i plugged my phone into my usb port. lsusb recognizes it but i don't know how to do anything with it or point anything at it. any ideas? [23:44] lsmod, check for /dev entries [23:44] check dmesg [23:44] hiptobecubic: what are you wanting it to do? [23:44] see if you can mount it as a disk [23:44] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] nullboy, no idea. what can it do? [23:45] hiptobecubic: has it got bluetooth? [23:45] could become a modem, mass storage, seem deivce [23:46] hiptobecubic: what type of phone? [23:46] motorola [23:46] razr [23:46] from goodwill [23:46] CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOTOROLA: Say Y here if you want to use a Motorola phone with a USB connector as a modem link [23:46] for a $1 [23:47] i have one too [23:47] it can be a modem for sure [23:47] srsly? [23:47] yeah [23:47] oh but i need the webplan don't it [23:47] i* [23:47] i have one too [23:47] srsly? no [23:47] I've got a v3 - problem child with the current stuff [23:47] pardon me um.. a quick question on slackbook chapter 18.2.4 it's about upgrade packages. Well what they mean is you have to create the new packages too upgradepkg? [23:48] # CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOTOROLA is not set [23:48] does this mean i need to recompile [23:48] ugh [23:48] hiptobecubic: : yeah and there is more [23:48] one sec [23:48] KidpunkX: you should look at www.slackbuilds.org [23:49] KidpunkX: upgradepkg means it's a program for installing a newer version of a package [23:49] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] i guess i'll go get the latest kernel... [23:50] CONFIG_USB_CDC_COMPOSITE [23:50] make that M too [23:51] alisonken1home, thanks i was just confused [23:51] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg, and pkgtool are the package management scripts for slackware [23:51] KidpunkX: the slackbook is written from the stock system perspective so they mean you will need to have the new packages in order to upgrade the old ones [23:52] Obama chose Tom Perelli as 3rd in line? I HATE Tome Perelli [23:52] except for makepkg amd removepkg, the other tools require a pre-built package to install/upgrade [23:52] and my favorite, explodepkg [23:52] explodepkg rocks [23:52] yeah in sclackbook it explain when upgrade you would need to remove old packages [23:52] so does [23:53] "tar -xvf (package).tgz" [23:53] nullboy, Urchlay lol [23:53] KidpunkX: you need to remove 'removed' packages but you need to upgrade packages that have a new version [23:53] alisonken1home: yes, but explodepkg just sounds so much more fun [23:53] KidpunkX: upgradepkg handles that for you [23:53] Urchlay: true [23:54] I wonder how long tar has been able to figure out the compression format before I found out it could do that [23:54] a long time [23:54] tar xvf file.tar.bz2 <--- used to couldn't do that [23:54] a long time like a year, or like 5 years? [23:54] look at the tar chnagelog [23:54] I know not 10 years [23:54] 9.5 years [23:54] ;) [23:54] 42 [23:55] I still remember admin'ing multiple distros, some needed tar xvfj, some tar xvfI, some tar xvfy, for bz2 [23:56] hiptobecubic: you might want to M this one too CONFIG_USB_G_SERIAL [23:56] hellanio (n=hellanio@201009124025.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "merda de debian..." [23:57] i have to say one thing about slackware. It is a powerful distro :P [23:57] it's as powerful as you can make it be [23:57] "the schartz is in you, Lonestar!" [23:57] er, schwartz, however you spell it [23:57] Whatever, Yogurt. [23:57] yeah as good as you can get it [23:58] korupt3d (n=korupt3d@c-67-166-180-29.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:00] --- Wed Jan 7 2009