[20:01] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [20:01] slackboy joined ##slackware. [20:02] but customasable [20:02] Pig_Pen, so i want to does it from UI, is sister's laptop [20:02] TWM is pretty freaking fast, but fast isn't always best. [20:02] wifi? ovnicraft ? [20:02] nachox: what is it? [20:02] twm also has mucho ram leaks [20:02] yop-lait (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [20:02] yes [20:02] if it is wifi install wicd from /extra [20:02] and is no longer maintained so don't expect the mem leaks to be plugged [20:02] Dominian, a vaio [20:03] nachox: opensolaris? [20:03] ok [20:03] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:03] if you like twm you can make fvwm look just like its grandpappy anyways [20:03] Dominian, i just got it delivered so right now, windows 7 [20:03] Nick change: yop-lait -> [yop] [20:03] nachox: ahhh [20:03] unixfool (n=OU812@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [20:03] hrmmm [20:03] Personally I hate TWM. [20:04] how are you doing unixfool? [20:04] not bad? you? [20:04] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: [20:04] I tried it. It started, and I waited. For anything to come up. Nothing ever came up, so I clicked and tried to figure anything out. Blech [20:04] i forgot to ensure that the bot was alive (had to reboot the server a few days ago) [20:04] change Style * CascadeTilePlacement to Style * ManualPlacement and fvwm will grab the mouse with the app window until you click it down on the desktop [20:05] is it alive? [20:05] Nick change: K3yvn_ -> K3yvn [20:05] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: "just to eat" [20:05] not proof, could be opped and dead [20:06] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.232) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:06] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.232) joined ##slackware. [20:06] unixfool: Wait.. you don't regularly check in *gasp* [20:06] Action: Dominian ducks [20:06] Ignacio__ (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.232) joined ##slackware. [20:07] going back to kde4, i hear a lot of people complain about it (i've not used it - gave up on kde long ago). but another thing i heard was the kde devs really broke some new ground and pioneered a lot which MSFT then stoke for win7 [20:07] lol [20:07] no, i work for a living :) [20:07] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] unixfool: so do I! [20:07] but I manage to be here :P [20:07] i work harder [20:07] :D [20:07] ha! [20:07] whateva! [20:07] fight! [20:07] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:08] thats the problem! kde is trying to "keep up with the jonses" when they should just do their own thing and ignore microsoft [20:08] actually, the features in KDE4 were in development while microsoft was still working on Vista [20:08] is that what happened? what i heard is win7 ripped a lot off of kde4 [20:09] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-55.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:09] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] either way, i hear two very opposite opinions on kde4: a) it is bloated crap b) it is a visionary thought leader [20:09] there's an article on it somewhere... I'll have to see if I can dig it up [20:09] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] i bet the truth, as it always is in these cases, is somewhere in between [20:10] Dominian, touche :P unixfool got you [20:10] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:10] lol [20:10] nachox: nu uh! [20:10] http://pastebin.com/m7adef824 here if you want to try my .fvwm2rc [20:10] I am invincible! [20:11] Pig_Pen: ever use icewm? [20:11] yeah [20:11] what di ya think of it [20:11] icewm is cool [20:11] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Happy New Year Everyone [20:12] i have been using it a bit lately [20:12] i may install it soon, i like a variety of lightweight window managers, i will use one for a day and the next day switch to another [20:12] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:12] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] For the record: whoever it was the other night who stated that the -current installer detected their hard disk as /dev/hda -- you, sir, are full of shit. [20:12] Pig_Pen, I may try it at some point. [20:12] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:13] Pig_Pen: lol yeah i have been using xfce and trying icewm openbox and fluxbox [20:13] Further clarification: I was pretty sure of the shit status already, but I wanted to verify it with my own eyes first. As is evident, that has now been done. :) [20:13] i trimmed all the crap out of the menu, i just left in the modules & window ops [20:13] I tried KDE (2, I think) when I first installed SuSE 10.3. Because someone told me it was better for newbies. I hated it. I tried GNOME and loved it. I couldn't figure out why they said GNOME was for more experienced users. [20:13] rworkman++ [20:14] XGizzmo: :) [20:14] rworkman: it was Scuzz. but it may been said from someone else too dont know [20:14] well don't keep us in suspense, who was the bullshitter? [20:14] ask unifool for dem logs [20:14] I don't recall who it was. Perhaps it was Scuzz. [20:14] I try to focus on problems, not people. :) [20:15] Unless people are the problem. [20:15] grep "hda" the.logs.* | grep installer [20:15] True [20:15] it was around the afternoon here though. since its 3am now..it might have been someone else too [20:16] I'm guessing that whoever it was had an unofficial installer iso from somewhere, and that iso wasn't up to date. [20:16] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:16] What's wrong with /dev/hda? [20:16] echo "The bullshitter was $(grep "hda" the.logs.* | grep installer)" > public_html/bs.txt [20:16] its been deprecated in Slackware kernels [20:16] i can has /dev/hda? [20:16] *run* [20:17] The system uses sda now? [20:17] kitty_: Nothing wrong per se. The old kernel driver that named pata drives as hd* is deprecated, and thus we're shooting for using libata only in -current [20:17] (libata named them all with sd* [20:18] does libata support pass-through for the pata stuff for smart ioctls? [20:18] I like the hd prefix better. Because I'm used to it, basically. [20:18] oh, one more thing, my fvwm2rc uses terminus font from slackbuilds.org [20:18] mancha: Good question; I would expect it to do so. [20:19] thats smart as in s.m.a.r.t. not mucho intelligetio [20:19] I know :) [20:19] heh, just confirming. [20:19] I want to make a simple internal search available on my website. Are there any free and simple solutions? Only plain html search, no databases and such. [20:19] i like the fact that my cd/dvd drives are srN now. i never had bothered to adjust my .zshrc functions to work under Slack [20:19] I don't have an install on anything where it would be possible to check [20:20] Arch has been using libata since it was introduced late 2006 btw [20:20] in 2.6.19 [20:20] not exclusively [20:21] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:21] if that was for me, yes, exclusively [20:21] that's near impossible, I'd think [20:21] i think at least [20:21] not all pata was supported in 2.6.29 [20:21] er 2.6.19 [20:21] Pig_Pen, There is nothing in my .fvwm folder. [20:21] so if they used it exclusively then there was hw arch didn't support? [20:22] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] Pig_Pen, The one in my home folder. There is only a config file in /etc/fvwm2 [20:22] mancha: http://www.archlinux.org/news/272/ [20:22] Pig_Pen, /etc/X11/fvwm2, rather. [20:23] sahko, cool. [20:23] i dont remember the details. i just remember stuff was so borked it was the only time i had to reinstall [20:23] hah [20:23] udev has dropped /dev/hd* stuff recently too [20:23] I think in 147 or so [20:24] 149 [20:24] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] less and less pata hw out these anyways, sata is cheaper to make and has replaced pata in most every oem bizznitz [20:24] dmesg | grep hda [20:24] hda: MATSHITADVD-RAM UJ-832S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive [20:24] etc. [20:24] Cheaper to make? That doesn't sound good. Usually it just means less integrity. [20:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [20:24] mbohun, new udev [20:24] so subsuming pata into libata and ergo usage of the scsci subsystem is going to end up being academic soon [20:25] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] i m not sure how is these days an old IDE hdd identified (not a SATA, but an old IDE) [20:25] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] kitty, naw, cheper to make is the reason you can run the equivalent of a cray supercomputer from the 70 on your desktop that cose under $1000 [20:25] thrice: what do you mean? [20:26] kitty, i bet you have Pat's fvwm its not an old package but Pat has a very old system.fvwm2rc in /etc/X11/fvwm2 i bet you can fix up your own in ~/.fvwm that will override it [20:26] mbohun, nevermind, I mis-understood [20:26] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:26] wicd doesnt works, with hidden wifi i must to connect it from command line [20:26] mbohun, probably will become /dev/sr0 or so [20:26] btw [20:26] Pig_Pen: i like pat's fvwm2 conf [20:26] ovni, hidden kinda sucks, i know some versions of wicd were not so good with them [20:26] Pig_Pen: i just edit it for my own use [20:27] haha - another wicd victim/survivor [20:28] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:28] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] coba (n=co@202.152.55.18) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:28] yeah, it needs some editing [20:28] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:28] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [20:29] hi. what is a good video grabber for linux? i would like to grab some video from a program running and save it as avi or something [20:29] there is recordmydesktop in /extra i think... never used it [20:30] brb, its peanutbutter jelly time! [20:30] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:30] hiptobecubic: what is the syntax again? slackpkg install recordmydesktop [20:30] josteint, For Firefox I have DownloadHelper. It's a plugin. You probably want something different, though. [20:31] josteint, if you don't have /extra blacklisted then yes [20:31] kitty_: yes, i would like to record some video from a c64 emulator; x64 which is vice64 [20:31] josteint, or you can just go download and install it [20:31] odd.. i do not have extra blacklisted... i will just download it manually [20:31] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.149.91.68) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:32] maybe it doesn't include extra anyway just /slackware [20:32] josteint, Ooh, that's both interesting and confusing as I don't know what all of it means. [20:32] anyone has a simplified internal search on their website? I am looking for a solution. [20:33] hiptobecubic: hm.. what do you mean? [20:34] perhaps slackpkg doesn't look in /extra just /slackware http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware/ [20:34] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [20:34] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [20:35] hiptobecubic: hmm.. i think it does. i remember i got bittorrent using slackpkg [20:35] Does anyone know if 64-bit WEP passphrases do or don't work in 13.0? I've tried nearly everything to get my wireless up and that's the only thing I can think that's keeping it from working. [20:35] anyway, installing it from linuxpackages.net [20:35] josteint, no idea. [20:36] josteint, most people suggest not using packages from foopackages.com. Up to you though [20:36] josteint, http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/extra/recordmydesktop/ [20:37] hiptobecubic: It will find it in extra if yo know the name [20:37] hiptobecubic: not using the 64 version, though [20:37] ie. slackpkg install wicd will work [20:37] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] nachox4 (n=nachox@190.51.58.232) joined ##slackware. [20:37] wicd? [20:37] just an example [20:38] this is crazy.. we have had three people in two days asking for recordmydesktop [20:38] is there some new trend i am not aware of?!? :P [20:38] wow... i got recordmydesktop working. had to install jack. pretty neat stuff :D [20:38] It's always fun when things just work. [20:39] macavity: i am just recording some video from a c64 emulator. just a random idea i got :) [20:39] hellokitty (n=hellokit@97-127-217-192.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] josteint: strange... usually we answer driver related questions, but the last few days have been multimedia infested :P [20:41] nachox4 (n=nachox@190.51.58.232) left irc: Client Quit [20:41] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [20:41] adamk (n=user@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [20:42] how again do I fetch the window id from a window in X? [20:44] keres_ (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] xprop/ [20:45] excellent! thanks, hiptobecubic [20:45] np [20:46] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@92.25.205.2) joined ##slackware. [20:46] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:47] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] freud_1956 (n=fred@187.40.230.13) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:51] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@92.25.205.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:51] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@92.25.205.2) joined ##slackware. [20:52] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:52] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:53] rworkman: yes the problem was indeed me, i used the usb installer i had on my usb stick prior to the recent updates. [20:53] thats why the drives had shown up as hda* [20:54] death by boogoomba! [20:54] lol [20:55] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:55] smax (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] hiya [20:59] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:00] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [21:01] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] hellokitty (n=hellokit@97-127-217-192.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:02] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-100-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [21:03] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:04] Just to clarify, nobody has any idea about my wireless issue, correct? [21:04] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [21:05] correct [21:06] kitty_: i didn't see you ask about your wireless issue, restate? [21:07] Well basically, I've tried just about everything in the rc.inet1.conf file. I've also tried connecting through wicd, but it has the same error. I'm wondering if it's a problem that we're using 64-bit WEP encryption. [21:07] kitty_: what's the error? [21:08] The network is unreachable. The whole thing is here - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/wep-64-bit-dhcp-wont-assign-ip-780321/ The device is assigned an IPV4LL address when it fails to connect. [21:09] It can detect the router, the channel, the Mbps, et cetera. It just won't connect. So I think it's not using the hex key correctly. [21:09] kitty_: i've always used a 128 bit wep key when using wep...maybe you need to convert the wep key to hex? [21:09] kitty_: or to ascii? [21:09] I did, but with 64-bit, you get four hex keys for the passphrase entered. [21:09] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [21:10] One of which is supposed to be issued as active. [21:10] Alien's Wiki on the matter describes how to do so, but the syntax seems to be off. [21:11] When I check iwconfig after following those instructions, the key under eth1 is always screwy. [21:14] nachox_ (n=chatzill@190.51.58.232) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Is it fine to have /home/smax on a separate partition? (For consistancy between my slackware 12 and slackware 13 partitions.) [21:21] yeah [21:21] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.26.21.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [21:22] I figured for say a Debian partition, it would be a bad idea since debian is older than dirt and programs that write a hidden file to home could result in conflicts. [21:23] smax: debian is no older than slackware [21:23] ok [21:23] you have to consider differing config files in ~/ that will cause problems, you can have /home as its own partition and maybe /home/smax.debian for debian and /home/smax.slackware for the slackware user account [21:24] and set the passwd files to the same UID for both installs [21:24] hellokitty (n=hellokit@97-127-217-192.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] arcfide (i=arcfide@fl-76-2-118-230.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] Okay, soo....I'm crazy...is there any chance that I can do an in place upgrade of a Slackware 13.0 to a Slackware64 machine? [21:25] arcfide: you can keep your /home partition, but i haven't tried anything else [21:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.64.82) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:26] nyRednek: When I mean an in place upgrade, I mean that I do the upgrade while the system is still running, and I only have to reboot once or twice to get the machine up, rather than requiring that the machine be brought down for an extended amount of time. [21:26] i think you are right (the crazy part) i always do clean installs so there is absolutly no kludge left over from the previous install to cause any problems [21:26] arcfide: i wouldn't if i were you [21:28] cya guys [21:28] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [21:28] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] hi guys [21:29] hi mister fillpot [21:30] I hate laptops, they seem to pack the crappiest hardware into them [21:30] Asa-n'ath lienakhar [21:31] kitty_ (n=kitty@c-76-28-70-231.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:31] yup, small size and powersaving is the priority when it comes to laptop hardware, so performance takes a hit [21:32] I have been spending the last 4 hours trying to get the wireless and video working right on this thing, and I still don't have the video working correctly [21:33] Pig_Pen: two directories per distro's partition? I want one home dir for me to be used for both partitions [21:33] Pig_Pen, Can you tell me if the ati fglrx drivers are worth installing? [21:33] ati mobility? (its yucky but usable) i had an older laptop with ati's mach64 that was so bad i did not bother to install X or anything X related [21:34] you need an ati & laptop guru to help you there, i dont know enough tips & tricks for that [21:34] Pig_Pen, are there any xorg.conf mods that can help me to improve the performance with the xorg drivers? [21:35] I tried to ask earlier and there were some cocky idiots in here that jsut wanted to insult for the questions [21:35] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: "*" [21:35] *I tried to ask earlier and there were ... [21:35] I think xchat cut off my message [21:35] xorg's drivers? maybe run X -configure and look at /root/xorg.conf.new and see if it will do what you want, if it works decently enough move it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:35] that MAY be the problem with my imac [21:36] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:36] brb [21:36] it has an ati vid card [21:36] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:36] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.232) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:36] Pig_Pen, good idea [21:36] an OLD one, but it's ati nonetheless [21:36] Ignacio__ (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.232) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] I have been using AMD and nvidia exclusively for so long that I forgot about manual configurations and heating issues [21:37] Nick change: nachox_ -> nachox [21:37] smax, are you trying to share your home partition between multiple distros? [21:37] nvidia has been good to the Linux community as far as driver support, its all i use [21:38] smax you can share the same /home partition for all distros, but you might run on to minor problems with config files in ~/ between the two [21:38] the same for me, I'm now regretting agreeing to setup my friend's laptop [21:39] Pig_Pen: yes same home between multiple distros. My question is, will there problems between slackware 12.2 and 13.0 ? [21:40] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Hello People. [21:40] Debian was just an example. Hence i said it's old. [21:40] so just use differing usernames in each one, you can always give the users matching user id numbers (1000 is the default first one) and access the others to copy mail and other personal files [21:40] so it mancha around? [21:40] *is [21:41] smax, i am not a fortune teller so i can not say what might crop up from sharing the same ~/ between different releases [21:41] grr, i have a checkpoint vpng client that needs pam...any suggestions or how-to's for 13? [21:41] smax, the best method would be to assign seperate uuid's per distro so each distro user has a seperate home directories, but the gids may be nearly the same [21:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:44] alright if mancha isn't around let me ask the rest of you my suspend to ram issue. wake up doesn't wake up the screen. [21:45] slackwarebob: Is you swap larger than your ram? [21:45] nevermind [21:45] kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30CB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:45] I was thinking suspend to disk [21:45] slackwarebob: http://suspend.sourceforge.net/ 'just worked' for me [21:46] XGizzmo: suspend to disk works, if I select suspend to disk from kde menu. [21:46] slackwarebob: i recall a config on linuxquestions.org that addressed that issue [21:46] slackwarebob: how are you suspending? [21:46] sirius (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:47] i think it ivolved chvt or something like that [21:47] XGizzmo: suspending using kde power management settings. On lid down, "Suspend to RAM". Also from KMenu for trying. [21:47] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30C8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:48] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:50] mag0o: that's different util from pm-suspend? Or from what KDE uses, right? [21:51] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [21:51] i do believe it's different, but not sure. i just used acpi scripts instead of kde/xfce4 power managers and sleep and suspend worked [21:52] either s2ram or s2disk (and s2both) [21:53] mag0o: I'm thinking of the same thing. acpi scripts and possibly use something else like hibernate/hibernate-ram. or s2X scripts. [21:53] Do they put it sleep differently so the wake up would make a difference? [21:54] it has the 'database' of laptops/hardware and knows what to do to properly put it to sleep [21:56] mag0o: then I'll use s2ram. hopefully it will unload/load modules too. [21:57] not in sbo. [21:57] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-76-22-255-38.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:57] no =\ [22:02] (##slackware) Channel ban on %masterx831!*@* expired. [22:02] ##slackware: mode change '-b %masterx831!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:02] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:06] suspending.... [22:07] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-122-208-94.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:15] _?i????? ??l??? ??l?*?? ??i??? ???|_?_?_? _??_ _?_?_p_?_? _?_?_?_? _|??? ? ??i??? ??l??? [22:15] woops [22:15] lol [22:15] it looks really cool on aim [22:16] palm tree's and a house [22:16] jeev, a bunch of ? marks? [22:20] Has anyone used googlewave with any success? [22:20] I've never used such a slow service, even in chrome [22:21] yes. [22:22] heh [22:23] It looks like it might be nice but it's just unusable. [22:23] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Success [22:24] social networking websites are gay [22:25] jeev, you mean useful. [22:25] I have a external USB drive that I use with Vista with NTFS. When I connect it to Slackware, the drive appears on the desktop but I cannot access it. I am getting the following error message, http://pastebin.com/m3f5528a4 [22:25] it's a good way to find and stalk a target [22:25] jeev, unless of course you don't interact with anyone ;) [22:25] i interact with people in real life, no need for anyone to index my behavior, unfortunately my worst behavior comes on irc and that's indexed daily ;D [22:26] but you wont catch me dead making a kissing pose like those girls and some guys on myspace hahaa\ [22:26] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] myspace==skanks [22:26] kleanchap_, are you in the plugdev group? type "id" in a terminal [22:26] Most people misuse them pretty terribly, sure. [22:27] But back in facebook's glory days it was excellent tool. [22:27] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-196.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:27] hiptobecubic: it still is... [22:27] nyRednek, with some greasemonkey scripts to wrangle the spam, sure. [22:27] hiptobecubic, No, I am not in that group. Thnx. I will add that group and hopefully that will fix it. [22:28] hiptobecubic: yeah [22:28] kleanchap_, add it and then log all the way out and back in. [22:30] hiptobecubic, I will. Thnx. [22:33] Nick change: K3yvn -> K3yvn_Server [22:36] bobby_ (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Nick change: bobby_ -> slackwarebob [22:36] Hello People. [22:38] brb [22:38] kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30CB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [22:40] sirius (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:56] Nick change: pragma_ -> pragma__ [22:56] Nick change: pragma__ -> __pragma [22:56] Nick change: __pragma -> pragma_ [22:59] everyone's hitting me up on aim to tell me that thingy i pasted is hto [22:59] hot [22:59] you paste something hot? [23:00] very [23:00] :) [23:00] post a screenshot of it somewhere [23:00] since it wont work in irc [23:01] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] smax (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:07] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] admasnd (n=amason6@adsl-75-21-64-117.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[23:20] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.72.191) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] kleanchap: xfswitch plugin + gdm [23:20] kleanchap: i seen a bunch of plugins at slackbuilds.org in the desktop section, but i dont recall anything specific like what you want, you can look and see http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/desktop/ scroll down for the xfce stuff [23:21] ah, rworkman already got it figured out :) [23:21] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/libgnomecanvas/ plus http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/gdm/ plus http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/desktop/xfswitch-plugin/ [23:22] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/switch.jpg [23:23] rworkman, thnx! I just installed it. Now I have to tweak rc.4 [23:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:23] You can't see my mouse pointer, but it's hovered over the icon in the lower right corner [23:23] (the one right next to the "lock" icon [23:24] Wow, that's neat! Real time screenshot [23:24] :-) [23:24] :) [23:24] sheesh, have enough workspaces? :P [23:24] Usually [23:25] Yes, I'm serious :) [23:25] default irssi theme? [23:25] yes [23:25] with some mods? [23:25] Default. [23:25] looks nice. [23:25] Right - why mess with the defaults? :) [23:25] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:25] hehe, it looks nicer than default looked here, hence why I asked if it was modded a bit. [23:26] Really, 7 workspaces would be plenty for *most* of the time -- the vast majority. [23:26] Can I install gdm alone without the whole Gnome thingy (shudder)? [23:26] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:26] fire|bird: Maybe a different font?? I'm in xfce's terminal [23:26] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] kleanchap: you only need libgnomecanvas for gdm-2.20.x [23:27] is that irssi in a an xfce term? [23:27] my workspaces change, when i am busy on the PC i can bump it up to as many as i need (6 mostly) then i put it back down to 4 when i am not so busy [23:27] (in 13.0) [23:27] kleanchap: yes, rworkman linked to gdm on slackbuilds.org above. [23:27] mancha: yes [23:27] rworkman: I'm in Xfce Terminal with droid fonts. [23:27] whats that dialog there in the middle? [23:27] Let me try this..... [23:27] Dejavu Sans Mono Book font here [23:28] mancha: xfswitch plugin [23:28] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/desktop/xfswitch-plugin/ [23:28] hrmm, i'll google so user there means X user? [23:28] I have adv_windowlist running though, so that makes the list of windows extend to two lines. [23:28] its sleepytime for me, laters [23:28] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:28] mancha: yeah, as in, if my wife wants to use her account real quick, I don't have to log out [23:29] hey mancha. [23:29] Well, granted, I don't have to anyway, but this makes it easier [23:29] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [23:29] ah nice, so it opens a second X session and controls the display? [23:29] yup [23:29] That's a gdm built-in [23:29] rather the X session remains and xfce opens a new session? [23:30] hey slackwarebob. [23:30] It's roughly analogous to "startx -- :1" [23:30] rworkman, thnx [23:30] rwork ah ok so another X is opened [23:30] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:31] If you want xscreensaver to recognize gdm and add a "New Login" button [23:31] to the unlock screen, add this line to your ~/.xscreensaver file: [23:31] newLoginCommand: gdmflexiserver -ls [23:31] Very likely I will have to reboot. Before that, is there any nice eye candy or desktop applets for xfce? [23:31] weather channel...etc. [23:31] mancha: ^^ [23:32] kleanchap: There's the weather plugin from my screenshot I posted earlier. [23:32] The gnome icon theme, while it has some undesirable aspects, is quite nice with xfce. [23:32] aha will try it....i've never farted around with the X login managers, when forced to use X (heh) i just xinit or startx [23:32] lolwut (n=lolwut@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] nachox (n=chatzill@190.51.58.232) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:33] kleanchap: also you might consider the clearlooks theme (it's an addon) [23:33] thanks for that tip [23:34] rworkman: Hmm, I guess it's not so far off from what yours looks like, the bottom blue part is two lines worth here though: http://imagebin.org/78697 [23:34] I hadn't used the default theme in so long I guess I forgot just how it looked here. [23:34] rworkman, thnx [23:34] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:34] liberty $ ls -l /etc/gtk-2.0/x86_64-slackware-linux/gtkrc $(readlink /etc/gtk-2.0/x86_64-slackware-linux/gtkrc) [23:34] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2009-12-13 23:16 /etc/gtk-2.0/x86_64-slackware-linux/gtkrc -> gtkrc.clearlooks [23:34] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2009-12-13 23:16 gtkrc.clearlooks -> /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc [23:35] fire|bird: imagebin links never work for me :/ [23:35] doh, sorry. omploader work? [23:35] or something else? [23:35] Try omploader. [23:35] hey rwork, have you tried trebuchet for itc? [23:35] irc [23:35] imagebin pulls about 25% of the image and then gets reset [23:35] mancha: never heard of it [23:36] its part of the webcore fonts, its an MS font [23:36] rworkman: http://omploader.org/vMzZqMA [23:36] brb [23:36] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [23:37] someone in $another_channel had a nice screenshot of xchat using that font, looked quite nice (easy on the eyes) [23:37] fire|bird: weird; I don't know what that would take two lines [23:38] mancha: ohhh, yeah, I have heard of that. I wasn't thinking in terms of fonts :) [23:38] me either, but it always has. :/ [23:38] fire|bird: try a fresh user account [23:38] I have before, same thing. [23:38] Weird. [23:39] mancha: Trebuchet is a fairly good looking font, so I suspect it would indeed look okay [23:39] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "A little boy who had a big hallucination..." [23:40] yeah it is kinda nice, i think the roundiness makes its soft on the eyes. i've read all the Terminus raves for example, and the blockiness makes it hard on my eyes. [23:41] I think the "easy to read" part is why I like a font with "Book" in its name :) [23:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:47] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [23:47] rworkman: you work on pm-suspend right? [23:49] WebZrout (n=kvirc@ip-89-103-134-101.karneval.cz) joined ##slackware. [23:54] WebZrout (n=kvirc@ip-89-103-134-101.karneval.cz) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [23:58] Now that Slackware is running great on my laptop, my mantra is never to try Ubuntu, never try ubuntu, never try ubuntu.... [23:58] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:59] kleanchap never say never. also it is nice to try different things, then you are either reminded of why what you're using is so nie or else you find something better :) [00:00] --- Thu Jan 7 2010