[00:00] well before i left for dinner Firefox would lock up trying to go to websites, but hasent happened since i got back [00:00] on the same sites? [00:00] yea was mainly linuxquestions.org [00:00] but also weather.com [00:01] i donno, how much memory would firefox use? [00:01] depends on the number of tabs open and whether flash player is in use [00:02] kill it and mail the corefile to firefox team [00:02] they love that. [00:02] yea i was thinking that, but i got a i7 920 proc, and 6gb of ram... well im working on getting chrome installed so i hope that makes it better [00:02] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [00:02] Slacking_Man (~Slacking_@pm1dialin-20.danbbs.dk) left irc: Quit: Ayttm logging off [00:02] CGfreak102: I experience no such problems on weaker machines [00:03] But, it could be the compiler [00:03] lol, scared him off. [00:03] Action: NaCl doesn't know [00:03] o well. ill will probably install the 32-bit in the next few days, to see if that runs any smoother [00:03] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] Probably won't make a difference [00:06] off subject, i know i found a nice guide to help figure out how to install 32-bit programs to run, since i need extra libs from my readings. but i forgot to save the link to a txt file at work so ill have to get it tomorrow [00:06] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:07] NaCl, what if you want to move or delete a lot of messages in the tabbed search? [00:07] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:37] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:38] I installed firefox, but it won't run. It spits out a bunch of errors. http://dpaste.com/203732/ [00:40] good luck with that. if you dont know what you need do a full install [00:41] or at least skip package group you know you dont need [00:41] eg e/ emacs, kde/ kde kdei/ kde internationalization [00:43] how do I install those package groups from my current install? [00:43] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:44] what are you running? slackware 13.1? somethinge lse? [00:44] 13.1 [00:44] You'll ceratinly need pango installed [00:44] it's installed [00:45] fontconfig? [00:45] freetype too [00:46] chegney: was it a fresh install (if so, what did you leave out?) upgrade? [00:46] both of those are installed as well [00:46] i think you need to reboot to register those modules, although the pango doinst.sh might register them too dont remember [00:46] I didn't install x xa games kde kdi [00:47] also tex [00:47] You'll need a good bit of /x/ [00:47] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [00:47] you didn't install X, but you want to run firefox? that doesn't make sense :) [00:47] I did do slackpkg install x after the initial install [00:47] mkfontdir or smthin [00:47] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [00:48] Hi folks. So I feel comfortable to ask this. Does anyone here do documentation? How can you tell what kind of documentation is good? [00:48] chegney: did you run pango-querymodules > '/etc/pango/pango.modules' as suggested by the error msg? [00:49] Oh oops sorry if there is a discussion already on-going. [00:49] Ignore me. [00:49] ang: do I do that as root or the user trying to run firefox [00:50] iceheart (hello@120.195.169.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:50] chegney: i don't think a regular use would be able to write to /etc/pango :) [00:51] riza, formal blog or informal? [00:51] There are some scripts in /etc/rc.d that tun those things on boot. [00:51] Just run manually as root [00:51] that's what i figured, I ran it as root and it didn't help, unless I need to restart x [00:51] or reboot [00:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [00:53] MLanden, formal I checked research paper for, seeing the writing style (turns out to be more difficult to do than I thought) so I am looking for informal. Like this one I wrote two or so years ago - http://www.rhisa.com/node/422 [00:57] I wish there was a Ph.D. forum or chatroom. :(9 [00:58] I've been around a lot of Ph.D.s when I worked in IT at my uni as a student. [00:59] They probably wouldn't know how to get on IRC. [00:59] Motoko-chan, bah, what about a forum? Almost all of my professors know how to use a forum. [00:59] Dunno of one. [01:00] I was at a top 25 lib arts school, and the profs were great in their area. Utterly stupid outside it. [01:00] Except for a few. [01:00] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Well that's Ph.D. for you though. Very specialized. [01:01] Yeah [01:01] But they were hired for their specialty, not to be IT folk. [01:01] It's understandable. [01:02] :) Indeedy. [01:02] I can't wait until it's my turn. [01:03] riza, Was the documentation on the subject of a linux application? [01:03] MLanden, not that one but I have others I have yet to post because of my hesistation. [01:03] hesitation* [01:04] riza,ok [01:05] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-181-218.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [01:05] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:47] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:49] johndee (~id@93-81-1-5.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:49] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-2-94.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:49] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-83-134.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:50] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-2-94.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:54] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:54] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:55] When I open up pdf in firefox, how can I get it to open up in firefox instead of getting it as a download? [01:56] riza, you would need a plugin that jives with ff's api [01:56] acrobat has one (if you can stomach adobe) [01:57] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.38) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:57] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-2-94.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:58] there used to also be a neat embedder bridge called mozplugger, but i've not used that in a while [01:59] can someone on 13.1 please pastebin me: `ls -l /usr/share/xsessions` ? [01:59] mancha, what do you suggest? [02:08] nvm ty [02:10] riza, i'd try to get mozplugger+evince working [02:14] rworkman: ping [02:14] I tend to prefer external apps - opening shit in the browser leads to badness more often than not here [02:14] pong [02:14] mind a quick pm [02:14] sure, go [02:15] ok, bbl guys [02:15] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:15] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-191-198.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:20] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [02:22] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-177-167.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:22] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:23] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-161-200-8.range86-161.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [02:24] i agree with rworkman, i let the pdfs spawn evince externally. but if you insist on embedded, look into mozplugger (hopefully it's still maintained and keeping up with the lastest geckos) [02:25] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:26] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [02:32] it turns out the latest flash player release has a security risk... [02:32] for those of you who still use flash (adobe's .so) get the 10.1 rc [02:35] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:38] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:38] general firewall question: if i put my server in a DMZ zone, will it skip my firewall? [02:39] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:41] that's the accepted usage [02:42] Nick change: Motoko-chan -> DarklyCute [02:47] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [02:47] hello [02:49] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:49] ferdna, that's genrally the point. [02:49] DMZ carefully. [02:50] popl, hello [02:53] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.207) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:57] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-251.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] DarklyCute, so, orange = dmz, purple = wi-fi [02:58] eh? [02:58] i've heard that i have to place my servers on dmz... [02:58] Hm? [02:58] Colors? [02:58] and my wifi in purple [02:58] Sounds like someone is using one of those firewall distros [02:58] the idea for a dmz are to put thing that need a public face [02:59] ferdna, not really. If you're doing one-to-many NAT, you could port forward. [02:59] DMZ is when it's too complex to do something like that. [02:59] rworkman, yup, smoothwall... and behind that... 3 slackware servers.... [02:59] and to segregate from the rest of your lan which might not need or want a public face [02:59] DarklyCute, i see... i had everything inside my network and just forwarding stuff [03:00] I've been using pfsense at work. [03:00] Well, what *I* would do is give each of those boxes a public ip address, and then on the smoothwall box, anything destined for those addresses would be sent to the relevant box [03:00] I've also used m0n0wall at home in the past. [03:00] ok, explain this to me... [03:00] how do i access dmz computer? [03:00] (which is basically a DMZ that isn't) :) [03:00] with outside ip? [03:00] or do i need to create rule? [03:00] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:01] From what direction are you accessing? [03:01] out side [03:01] Most home stuff won't let internal machines access anything in the DMZ. [03:01] DarklyCute, lets say that i want to put a server in the dmz [03:01] From external, use the public IP. [03:01] How many public IPs do you have? [03:01] just one [03:01] Then you use the one. [03:01] ok [03:02] so, how do i tell the server to talk to my router [03:02] '? [03:02] doing a simple ping 192.168.0.1 will do? [03:02] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:03] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-191-198.mel.connect.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:04] It's still under NAT, but it just isn't firewalled. [03:04] If you only have one or two services you want to expose, I suggest port forwarding. [03:04] agreed [03:05] I have root access to the development server at my work (which is going to double as the webserver soon). [03:06] Action: popl screams silently [03:06] popl, that's scary. [03:06] all because I suggested changing the PHP configuration from its default to something more secure. [03:06] shit [03:07] DarklyCute: agreed [03:07] DarklyCute: The guy who has root access (my boss) says he's a "little weak" on the "server stuff". [03:07] popl, that's even worse. [03:07] "We should make PHP more secure" [03:07] "Okay! Here's root access for you!" [03:07] *facepalm* [03:08] I know. I think I'm going to cry. [03:08] I should learn to keep my mouth shut and head down. [03:08] removepkg php # Poof, it's secure now. [03:08] rworkman: OSX [03:08] :~D [03:09] (that tear is made of blood) [03:09] Well, the equivalent then :) [03:09] rworkman: all the web applications are written in php/mysql [03:09] There is also suhosin [03:09] popl, at least the MySQL user isn't root, right? [03:10] Action: DarklyCute knows one company that was using a root-equiv account for PHP access to MySQL [03:10] DarklyCute (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:11] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) joined ##slackware. [03:11] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Motoko-chan: No, it doesn't look like it. [03:13] Good [03:17] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:19] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-213.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:03] in the package I mean. [04:03] so you can do tar tvvf pkgname.t?z | grep install [04:06] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:06] pupit: ping [04:06] alphageek: :) [04:06] heya [04:06] MoZes: no, there isn't any. So, how can i tell ./package.SlackBuild to not verify slack-desc? [04:07] :) i was wondering about tribes 2 [04:07] pupit: what exactly did you download? I have the original cdrom & applied the official updates [04:07] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:07] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [04:07] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [04:08] alphageek: patch and i have found on the tribes site some instalation [04:08] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] which is about 500+mb [04:08] url? [04:08] sec [04:08] gimme a bit.. just waking up & making tea [04:09] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [04:09] ok ok [04:09] http://www.filefront.com/12893724/tribes2_gsi.exe here it is [04:10] and a patch url http://www.tribesnext.com/files/TribesNext_rc2a.exe [04:10] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:11] Growl_: I imagine that you mean you want to know why the slack-desc file is not being included. try running the slackbuild with logging - e.g. ./package.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee /tmp/buildlog [04:11] you may find the answer in the log file created. [04:11] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-213.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:12] pupit: ahh, you'd need a windows machine to rip those apart [04:13] alphageek: i have it in vbox no prob [04:13] nice [04:13] i assume you play it in wine? [04:13] nope [04:14] /usr/local/games/tribes2/tribes2: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [04:14] haha, nice :) didnt understand anything :) [04:15] except you run it :) [04:15] just a snippet from the game dir. I have the linux binaries [04:15] vlc is not on slackbuilds? [04:15] neither celestia? [04:16] alphageek: i could seek to some linux binaries on net, gues there is some howto either. thanks :) [04:17] welcome [04:17] what about wine?? [04:18] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:18] MoZes: thanks for help, the problem was solved by coping slack-desc in the right directory =)))) [04:18] np [04:19] pupit: if it comes to it, I could put a copy of my game dir up on rsync temporarily & you could touch up what you have from there. assuming no upper/lower case mismatches, there's likely only a couple dozen megs difference [04:19] tribes2 _has_ been released into the wild, so it's not like I'd be promoting warez or anything :) [04:19] alphageek: i found this yesterday while i was google-in' http://elven.de/2007/11/03/the-ultimate-guide-to-tribes-2-on-linux and there it says: As the extension already applies, the previously available Linux binaries were never released. The port to Linux was done by Loki, which now no longer exists... [04:19] All these people still here when they should be asleep ;-) [04:20] alphageek: oh, thanks but dont bother its just a game :) [04:20] what happened to vlc? [04:22] alphageek: its only me btw, it could be interesting for slackbuilds :) [04:22] pupit: one thing you will need for online play, though.. http://t2.plugh.us/ [04:22] http://t2.plugh.us/AlternateMasterSupport.vl2 < specifically that file [04:23] nobody sees what i'm typing? [04:23] nope [04:23] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:23] alphageek: thanks :) [04:23] alienBOB: what happened to wine? [04:23] Azeotrope: what happened to vlc? [04:23] alienBOB: sleep? what's that? ;) [04:24] pupit: if/when you get that working, you'll find me on the one & only Triumph server as either alphageek or nazgul [04:24] I remember Tribes. [04:24] alienBOB: come on... don't make fun of me [04:25] there's another hack to get around the lack of master servers called TribesNext that does not yet (& likely never will) have a linux port. all the rest of the listed servers appear to be TN based [04:25] I remember somebody made a map to look like my hometown. [04:25] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] alphageek: sure thing, a lot of people miss this game [04:26] Azeotrope: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/ [04:26] Azeotrope: there you can find eric's vlc slackbuild [04:26] alphageek: only part i really like in game is jumping like a madman :) [04:27] Azeotrope: I don't think anyone is making fun of you. :) [04:27] pupit: then you'll love the Triumph mod. jump gun + jump grenades == fly ~2km without ever touching the ground [04:28] *coughdirtycheatcough* [04:28] ;) [04:28] i'm very suprised they are not on slackbuilds or sbo's repos [04:28] alphageek: in a week or so, i shall have my wings :D [04:28] VLC is a bitch to build, and Eric does it quite well, so I don't care to dupe that. [04:30] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] pupit: cool, lemme know & I'll join in [04:30] alphageek: you will be first to know :) [04:31] rworkman: earlier I wasn't being snooty about the removepkg comment. I don't know how to remove stuff on OSX either, but was implying that having to use OSX was something else that sucked about it. :) [04:31] rworkman: wine is too? [04:31] isn't the package tool called fink or something? [04:31] Azeotrope: al except celestia :D [04:32] Azeotrope: the rest is in eric's repo too [04:32] rworkman: i dont know much about slackbuilds policy, but wouldn't be good to have there some tiny url to Eric's slackbuilds? [04:33] pupit: you may find this of interest. it's a full listing of what I have in /usr/local/games/tribes2/: http://omegageek.dyndns.org/~erik/tribes2.md5 [04:33] alphageek: thanks, it will be helpfull ;) [04:33] popl: I didn't perceive any offense - no worries [04:33] between the stuff you ripped out of the .exe files & the linux bins from that last link you shared, you should have almost everything [04:33] Azeotrope: not really (re wine) - I just don't care about it :) [04:34] pupit: the thought has crossed my mind but we'd prefer not to link external repos there. [04:35] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:36] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Is there a link to both from slackware.com? [04:36] Well, I see one to slackbuilds.org [04:39] Typing "vlc slackware" will lead you to the proper URL too [04:40] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [04:40] alienBOB: you're a smart man ;) [04:40] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:40] alienBOB: I presume you are talking about typing that into Google? [04:41] alienBOB: I just came across your rc script replacements. Neat. [04:42] pupit: if you get far enough that the game starts but the mouse is unusable, give me a holler. my inclusion of libs/libX11.so.6.2 (re: tribes2.md5) fixed that & requires a bit of LD_LIBRARY_PATH trickery to use [04:42] popl I really haven't done anything about those rc script replacements for a long time [04:42] popl and yes.... in google ;-) [04:43] I actually use scroogle at home and ixquick at school [04:43] everyone uses Google as a verb, though [04:44] also to refer to a web search. In that way I htink Google is like Kleenex or Coke. [04:44] alphageek: thanks for tip, again :), i let you know if i stuck somewhere, i shall build tribes in a few days, i really appreciate your help [04:45] you're welcome [04:45] alienBOB: Do you use those rc scripts on your own machine? [04:45] I am using a modified version of rworkman's rc.firewall [04:46] nice [04:47] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:50] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:53] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) joined ##slackware. [04:55] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:56] popl not anymore [05:00] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt3-port-76.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [05:04] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. 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[05:15] Audacious itself must be irrational as well. [05:15] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:16] crocket: that's a non sequitur [05:16] ? [05:16] but why are you talking about it in ##slackware? :) [05:16] maybe should have talked in #linux. [05:16] wrong place [05:16] I am using qmmp now instead of audacious [05:17] I use mpd. I love it. :D [05:18] alienBOB : qmmp sounds good [05:18] crocket: I meant that it does not necessarily mean Audacious is irrational even if their IRC Ops are. Although it is messed up that they would do that without telling you why. [05:18] it also has a cool name. [05:19] popl : I think audacious is named after their personality trait. [05:19] no-name (~no-name@243.252.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:20] #audacious people are audacious. [05:21] But I agree audacious is also a cool name. [05:21] crocket: use cmus [05:21] cmus has ncurses UI if I recall properly. [05:21] crocket: yep, and thats cool =) [05:22] Can I make it follow server-client model? [05:22] mpd has all that, crocket [05:22] it's tops [05:22] tops? [05:22] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.152) joined ##slackware. [05:23] one of the top? [05:23] top of the pops [05:23] crocket: may be, cant remember [05:23] crocket: means I think it's great [05:23] cmus has cmus-remote [05:23] Growl_ : Does it support unicode in id3 tags and filenames? [05:24] mpd is easier to type :P [05:24] mpd is good in that is follows the server-client model and has GUI front-ends. [05:24] I like programs with both GUI and CLI. [05:25] there's also some bash functions defined by default I believe [05:25] crocket: it have too [05:25] But I'm looking for a player that doesn't have a library feature. [05:26] try songbird [05:26] What do you mean, no library? [05:26] crocket: then use mplayer =) [05:26] popl : mpd can't just open a file and has to import files before playing. [05:26] I've never used songbird. [05:26] crocket: Oh, I see. [05:27] audacious can just play files, which means I can casually select a sound effect file and play without incorporating it in a library. [05:27] crocket: or dont you like xmmp [05:27] xmmp is discontinued and the file open dialog of it looks ugly when I opened it last time. [05:27] Maybe I didn't configure GTK+ theme properly, then. [05:28] I have tendency for nice GUI. [05:28] crocket: xmms, i mean [05:28] yeah [05:28] xmms [05:28] It was a typo [05:29] Let me install xmms again. [05:29] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:29] xmms or xmms2? [05:30] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:30] xmms2 manage music library as far as i know [05:30] =) [05:30] http://imagebin.ca/view/FOB7Hy.html is the screenshot of xmms. [05:31] can someone tell me the default uid:gid for apache please, thank you [05:32] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:32] apache:x:80:80:User for Apache:/srv/httpd:/bin/false [05:32] thx [05:32] sbopkg reports no qmmp. [05:34] alienBOB can you paste named too thx [05:34] wow, there are so many winamp clones [05:34] is quassel a part of the distribution? or would i have to compile it separately? i cannot find it in my installation, nor in slackbuilds.org..... [05:34] crocket: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/qmmp/ [05:35] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter expired. [05:35] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [05:35] alien has it [05:35] crocket: once again eric's repo to the rescue :-) [05:36] njathan: You could always write your own Slackbuild script. There is a template on slackbuilds.org [05:37] can someone tell me the default uid:gid for bind/named please./ [05:37] popl, oh i can... just that i could save some effort if its already built (i always thought quassel was the 'official' kde4 irc client) [05:38] njathan: I haven't found it, not even in alienBOB's repo [05:38] I do not have qassel indeed. Never found a use for it [05:38] Then again I do not use KDE, and it may be included in the KDE packages for all I know [05:38] It's used for #kde for all I know [05:39] nickstolen, check /ets/passwd [05:39] plee .... I wouldn't be asking if I still had it would I [05:39] nice attitude :P [05:39] hehe [05:39] :P [05:40] You've deleted your passwd file? hehe [05:40] no I was trying out something else :) and the uid/gid could changed [05:40] s/could/got/ [05:41] you don't have /etc/passwd- ? [05:41] that's the backup [05:41] arrg [05:41] or did that get changed too? [05:41] MOVNTDQA (1000@static-71-244-42-15.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:41] in my passwd file, there is no named or bind :) [05:42] I assume if you add a user the change is reflect in passwd- [05:42] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [05:43] This is Linux. You shouldn't assume anything. :) [05:43] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:43] popl: yea ok not assume... the change is made. [05:43] passwd- is the backup, so it shows the second last thing you did [05:43] nickstolen: you can retrieve the original passwd file from http://mirrors.kernel.org/slackware/slackware-13.1/source/a/etc/_etc.tar.gz [05:44] thx alienBOB [05:44] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.85) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:44] if you start out with a clean system, they are the same. Add one user, and the files diff with the new user in passwd and lacking that user in passwd- [05:44] I am lost about hostname "tevoda@none:~$"I thought the hostname there should appear as in /etc/hostname. [05:45] plee well I removed the default users and it's not kept in passwd- [05:45] /etc/HOSTNAME [05:45] alphageek also not :/ [05:45] hey folks.... is it possible that i upgrade to 13.1 (from 13.0) an still use the 13.0 kernel (with all other packages upgraded)? is the system expectd to work without breaking? [05:46] /etc/HOSTNAME = mmocafe.net [05:46] njathan: why do you want to do that? [05:47] nickstolen: did you logout/login after you set /etc/HOSTNAME? [05:47] popl: yea [05:47] nickstolen: check if you still have /etc/csh.login [05:47] mm no default user for bind/named [05:47] adrien, the new kernel does not support BCM43xx completely yet it seems... and my wifi stops working. People around have claimed that changing to PIO mode (from DMA mode) has helped, but i had a very hard time last time around and it would not work till the end [05:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1750 2010-06-06 09:26 /etc/csh.login [05:48] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [05:48] njathan: which card? 4312? [05:48] whcih I already chcked before asking :/ [05:48] nickstolen: what about /etc/profile? [05:48] adrien, yes [05:48] njathan: if so, it's pio + seq or something like that [05:48] njathan: but the -sta driver will work on 13.1 [05:49] you only need to change one or two paths because a file has moved [05:49] popl nothing in /etc/profile effecting hostname [05:49] nickstolen: there should be [05:49] mm its blocked out for some reason [05:49] #PS1='`hostname`:`pwd`# ' [05:50] adrien, hmm... i think i'll give it a shot then (since my /home is safely sitting on a seperate sda partition :-p) [05:50] maybe the Linux fairies changed it while you weren't looking. [05:50] mm still same issue on new login [05:51] njathan: well, I'm using it ;-) [05:51] nickstolen: did you uncomment the line "export HOSTNAME="`cat /etc/HOSTNAME`" ? [05:52] er, there's an extra " there [05:52] adrien, oh thats wonderful! is there a good slackware specific how-to around? [05:52] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.249) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:53] imlost (looker@tornado.ktu.lt) joined ##slackware. [05:53] heh I don't see a extra " [05:53] imlost (looker@tornado.ktu.lt) left ##slackware. [05:54] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.175) joined ##slackware. [05:54] looker (looker@tornado.ktu.lt) joined ##slackware. [05:54] nickstolen: I meant in what I typed [05:54] njathan: well.... http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/broadcom-sta/ ;-) [05:54] why/how would I know if there is an extra quote mark in your script? :P [05:54] mm I just copied over the original profle and csh.login [05:54] popl: thats what I was wondering :P [05:55] thanks adrien [05:56] arrg doing my head in. [05:56] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:56] hi, has anyone tried to connect to hp switch though /dev/ttyS[0,1,X], probably using screen, minicom or other vt100 terminal emulators? [05:57] njathan: =) [05:59] mm thats odd [05:59] it's taking it from /etc/hosts [06:00] chendy_ (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) joined ##slackware. [06:02] chendy (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:02] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [06:07] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:07] mm is /usr/local/ still used in anyway? [06:07] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] yes [06:08] for what purpose, cause I don't see any files in any of the dirs [06:09] read up one the FHS [06:09] I have a mix of custom scripts in bin/ & sbin/, compiled but not packaged &/or binary only games in games/, additional misc but useful docs in doc/ [06:09] etc etc [06:10] if you're unsure of something, leave it alone [06:11] no-name (~no-name@243.252.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:11] trimming out those dirs may save you a handful of kB now, but they'll just confuse the issue later down the road [06:11] na was just wondering [06:12] alienBOB: I downloaded qmmp-0.4 from your repository and installed it. I can't add .wav files to the playlist of qmmp. [06:12] I installed libsndfile in advance. [06:15] nvision (~nvision@e179132227.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. 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[06:37] hi, i have installed wicd wi-fi manager, but when i run wicd-client i see ImportError: No module named gtk [06:37] what should i install. [06:37] maybe pygtk [06:37] http://www.pygtk.org/ [06:37] ? [06:38] tmkd, try wxPython from SBo [06:39] wxPython? [06:39] Growl__ (~Growl@109.105.163.246) joined ##slackware. [06:39] i need only runtime lib, no whole library for developers [06:40] Growl_ (~Growl@109.105.173.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:40] but i am beginner so correct me if i think wrong [06:41] slackytude: [06:41] tmkd, no, you were correct, pygtk should do it [06:41] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:42] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:42] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) joined ##slackware. [06:42] chendy_ (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) joined ##slackware. [06:43] yes, but pygtk is not something like wxpython??? [06:43] it is not a lib for developers??? [06:43] chendy (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:43] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [06:43] slackytude: from pygtk webpage :PyGTK lets you to easily create programs with a graphical user interface [06:43] i need only run program, not develop [06:45] yes, the program you want to run relies on it, therefor you need it. [06:46] ok [06:51] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [06:51] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF790.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:00] slackytude: thanks a lot [07:00] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:01] alienBOB : What do I need to install to have qmmp play .wav files? [07:01] do you think that slackware will survive? page with packages doesnot work from a long time. [07:02] new versions appears very slowly [07:02] So does debian. [07:02] Well right now Slackware looks pretty alive to me xD [07:02] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [07:02] as long as it can breath there is hope :o [07:02] Slackware is difficult. [07:03] It is difficult for slackware to proper. [07:03] prosper [07:04] dunno the term difficult seems to relative to me ^^' [07:04] damo (~damo@123.115.241.50) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Slackware has a high hurdle for getting things done. [07:04] Debian has a low one. [07:04] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [07:05] To me Debian was more difficult to use than slackware... [07:05] roin : how? [07:05] Debian has one of the largest repositories. [07:05] Well, Debian stable didnt include the firmware and drivers for my wifi device, slackware does since 12.2 I think and in Slackware there is WICD in extra/ so the only real problem I have in using Linux is solved [07:05] nickstolen: yes. Security is good. [07:06] Roin : What music player do you use? [07:06] brainvision (~brainvisi@host191-78-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:06] mplayer [07:07] or smplayer if I want to launch something from ROX, just seems a bit cooler than executing xterm -e mplayer "$@" [07:07] qmmp doens't play .wav files [07:08] hm... I dont think I have some .wav files here atm, did you already try it with mplayer? [07:08] Action: Roin never heared of qmmp :x [07:08] How does kde restore the session? I need to LD_PRELOAD libpng12.so when i use firefox, but when I log out and back in it starts firefox without it [07:08] Roin : qmmp is an alternative to xmms [07:09] Roin : you have .wav files in /usr/share/sounds [07:09] Oh didnt know that one sec I'll try :D [07:09] Roin : find /usr/share/sounds -iname *.wav [07:09] works [07:09] mplayer plays .wav files [07:10] However I want a proper GUI for playing music files on the run. [07:10] -> smplayer [07:10] seems very proper to me [07:10] qmmp or winamp-like players fit my purpose [07:10] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:10] audaciouse? [07:11] Roin : I don't like #audacious people, so I quit using it a while ago. [07:11] Oh ok [07:11] I have to compile qmmp myself. [07:15] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Roin : Slackware's best attribute is you are encourages to build packages. [07:19] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:19] *encouraged [07:19] Yeah, well I havent done that so far [07:19] After I built audacious by executing audacious.SlackBuild in slackware DVD, audacious started playing .wav files. [07:20] It's not difficult once you have slackbuild files. [07:20] True [07:20] Just get the source tarball and .SlackBuild and relevant files. [07:20] relevant files include slack-desc and doinst.sh, which come with .SlackBuild in most cases. [07:22] Yeah, though I never really understood what the doinst.sh file does, might have to read it up again [07:22] Debian is about getting things done. [07:22] Slackware is about doing thing right. [07:22] *doing things right. [07:22] Yeah :D [07:23] Ubuntu is about making things easy [07:24] loup (~Loup@chello084113200223.9.14.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [07:25] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-103-117.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [07:25] brainvision (~brainvisi@host191-78-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:26] loup (Loup@chello084113200223.9.14.vie.surfer.at) left ##slackware. [07:27] Roin : I was right!!! After I downloaded alienBOB's qmmp.SlackBuild, built a package, and installed it, I can play .wav files in qmmp. [07:27] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:27] Problems just go magically after building packages on my computer. [07:28] Hm... they probably build it with the codecs and you didnt? [07:29] ??? [07:29] No? [07:29] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [07:31] NeanT (~me@79.115.162.52) joined ##slackware. [07:31] wav files? wav is only a container iirc, what's inside? [07:32] raw content [07:32] Roin : I don't understand your sentence, but I think alienBOB built qmmp in the absence of libsndfile. [07:32] On the contrary, I built it in the presence of libsndfile. [07:33] Ok [07:33] libsndfile is responsible for playing .wav files. [07:33] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Yes, that would make sense, adding libsndfile as a dependency and rebuilding it [07:33] alienBOB : did you build it without libsndfile? [07:34] Just checking [07:35] alienBOB : I downloaded qmmp.SlackBuild, qmmp-0.4.0, and slac-desc from your repository and built a package myself. [07:35] I suggest slackware include libsndfile in the main repository. [07:39] how can i update software installed from source? [07:39] or example gtk? [07:40] gtk2.0 [07:40] kurt__ (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] should i uninstall old, and install new version? [07:40] tmkd : upgradepkg packagefile? [07:40] tmkd : refer to "man upgradepkg" [07:40] It's also written in slackbook.org [07:41] tmkd : But I prefer to install an old package and install a new package. [07:41] It hardly goes wrong. [07:41] chendy_ (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) joined ##slackware. [07:41] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [07:41] but i did not install it from packages [07:42] but from source [07:42] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:42] gui_ap (~guilherme@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) joined ##slackware. [07:43] tmkd : then execute "make uninstall" [07:43] execute it in the source code folder. [07:43] Nick change: kurt__ -> plee [07:43] and install slackware packages. [07:43] chendy (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:43] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [07:44] tmkd : If you already deleted the source code folder, extract the source tarball and execute "./configure" and "make uninstall". [07:45] ok, i know that;) [07:46] clear [07:47] crocket: source tarball with installed version right? [07:47] yes [07:47] find the tarball of the installed version. [07:47] chendy_ (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) joined ##slackware. [07:47] tmkd : If you use slackware, don't try to install packages by "make install". [07:48] Slackware encourages you to build packages. [07:48] Well. Packages make life of the admin a bit easier [07:49] autotools are not designed for program management. [07:49] But, Slackware is one of the few distros where configure && make && make install will not immediately break your system [07:49] nothing wrong with make install either, but that does make uninstalling more complicated.. [07:49] alienBOB: and which distros would immediately break? [07:49] Compiling from sources, I'd either just not care about uninstalling anything ever, or install to /opt/something/ so uninstall would equal deleting a directory [07:49] alienBOB : I never saw those three commands break ubuntu or debian. [07:49] crocket: i use installpkg [07:50] crocket: to install packages [07:50] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:50] tmkd : That's normal. [07:50] but lately I prefer to use slackbuild scripts, and sometimes write those myself if they don't exist already [07:50] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CDB9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:50] Aldaron : better modify existing scripts. [07:51] crocket: yea well, that's what I do in practice ;) [07:51] chendy (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:51] Audacious works weird in ubuntu. [07:51] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [07:51] No .wav, and sound analyzer updates slowly. [07:51] Plus, plymouth is hardwired to ubuntu's core packages. [07:52] It makes deleting plymouth difficult. [07:52] If I knew how to build .deb packages, things would turn out differently. [07:53] a) #debian b) dh_make, edit debian/control, debian/changelog, debian/rules (debian/rules is just a normal makefile) [07:53] c) then dpkg-buildpackage [07:53] hmm? [07:53] highly abbreviated "how to make a .deb" [07:54] fred : Do you use debian? [07:54] at work. [07:54] Action: fred starts pointing at 'a' some more [07:54] I have to fix KDE, too. [07:54] Maybe I should build entire KDE packages on my computer. [07:55] It's just like gentoo now. [07:55] sounds painful [07:56] KDE has lots of bugs. [07:56] bugs which GNOME doesn't have. [07:57] Action: Roin still prefers IceWM+ROX over any other DE ._. [07:57] Roin : Can you upload a screenshot of your desktop to imagebin? [07:57] Sure [07:58] mkswap: /tmp/busted: warning: don't erase bootbits sectors on whole disk. Use -f to force. [07:58] Is there any need to run it iwth -f? [07:59] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:59] It's just a warning. [07:59] I can see that :) [08:00] If you don't care erasing whatever's on the partition, do what it takes. [08:00] crocket: http://imagebin.org/100126 here take a look [08:00] It's a swap file just dd'ed from /dev/zero [08:01] Nvm, google helps :) [08:01] Roin: wow, you installed 3d games. [08:01] I don't know how to find 3d games anyway. [08:01] You even have quake4 for linux. [08:01] Yup [08:01] Are they free? [08:01] No [08:02] I mean... [08:02] there might be steam too, soon [08:02] You need the original Windows version [08:02] And then download the Linux installer from ID Softwares ftp server [08:02] I can't even run tremulous. [08:02] Install the Linux version and copy a couple of files to the quake 4 directory [08:02] I even have Doom 3 for Linux here [08:03] cacao74 (~cacao74@dynamic-adsl-78-13-135-232.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [08:03] It is funny, in the times I had WIndows I never bought any game... now that I have Linux I already payed for two xD [08:04] ananke crocket - break in the sense that you loose a consistent (RPM, or whatever) package database if you start compiling/installing from source [08:05] To me, linux is the best brain teaser and the best game. [08:05] Yeah, well I like to setup my Desktop as well :x [08:06] alienBOB: What's ananke? [08:06] alienBOB: same thing applies to slackware [08:06] crocket: he's replying to both of us [08:06] ok [08:06] ananke: not true [08:06] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:06] Slackware does not maintain a a package database with dependencies [08:06] AndIrc_ (~android@r11no54.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [08:06] AndIrc_ (~android@r11no54.net.upc.cz) left irc: Quit: -a- [08:06] alienBOB : I see [08:07] alienBOB: it's certainly true. if you place files on a filesystem without being tracked by your package system, you don't get to keep track of them. dependencies or not, doesn't matter [08:07] But anyway, I do not care for this "political" discussion now, I have better things to do [08:07] alienBOB : I'd rather give up installing than executing "make install" to really install. [08:07] Axius (~fd@92.85.222.189) joined ##slackware. [08:07] policies, [08:07] politics [08:08] How does kde restore the session? I need to LD_PRELOAD libpng12.so when i use firefox, but when I log out and back in it starts firefox without it [08:09] why not use a ff compiled against the new libpng? or static? [08:10] only need it for quakelive, but might as well [08:11] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CDB9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:12] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-18-71.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:12] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CDB9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] the slackware re-packaged official binary should have no problems with your png library [08:12] does cfdsik allow you to resize a partition when installing slackware? [08:12] raela (~raela@cpe-67-241-18-71.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:13] yet it does, there's something wrong with the extension [08:15] azi, so put the preload thing in the bash wrapper that starts ff [08:15] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:18] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:18] si there a bind package which comes with chroot on slack? [08:18] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] damo (~damo@123.115.241.50) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:19] lioil (~oli@r11no54.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [08:21] ah, dumb me, of course it starts just firefox-bin on login instead of the launcher script. solved by excluding it from session manager and adding to autostart [08:21] lioil (~oli@r11no54.net.upc.cz) left irc: Quit: Bye [08:30] danix (~danix@host184-117-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:31] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [08:35] anunkasan (~awohali@chello084113200223.9.14.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:37] nickstolen (~insula@b4mad.info) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:37] rworkman, thanks, your xfce pack for 13.0 works so far [08:39] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:40] anunkasan (awohali@chello084113200223.9.14.vie.surfer.at) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:43] Delahunt, 13.0? [08:44] yep [08:45] i didn't upgrade to 13.1. i tried 13.1 but it was too painful with knotify crashing all the time and cryptsetup/xfce issues [08:45] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] Hi, In kde if I right click battery and click on hypernate nothing happens but if i run pm-hypernate from termnial then it hypernate. Anyone can help? [08:45] James____, is your user part of the power group? [08:45] and when you run pm-hibernate from the terminal are you doing so as root or as that user? [08:45] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:46] yep he is part of power group [08:46] when i do in terminal [08:46] it is normal user [08:46] not root [08:47] ah [08:47] hm [08:47] it was root [08:47] ha [08:47] when i run pm-hibernate [08:47] as normal user [08:47] it says [08:47] this utlity may only be run by the root user [08:47] as the normal user please run "groups" [08:47] Delahunt, so you got the new xfce backported to 13? [08:47] groupas [08:48] groups [08:48] slackboy, no, rworkman has a package for it [08:48] says users audio plugdev power [08:48] Delahunt, nifty [08:48] Delahunt, how is it? [08:48] Action: slackytude is on 13 as well [08:48] slackytude, works fine [08:48] i rsync with rworkman and alienBOB's repos [08:48] Delahunt, anything funky in new xfce? [08:48] rworkman's is xfce heaven :) [08:49] well it defaults to gnome icon theme but mostly i haven't noticed anything that exciting [08:49] right [08:49] Delahunt: so it is in user power [08:49] what can i do [08:49] add user to power group [08:49] he is [08:49] hmm [08:49] when i run groups [08:49] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [08:49] it says: [08:49] users audio plugdev power [08:50] ls -lh `which pm-suspend` [08:50] elench (~tevoda@mmocafe.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [08:51] dont work [08:51] ls cannot access which pm-suspend [08:51] i am in /usr/sbin [08:51] Wth I read so many people stick to 13... [08:51] meh [08:51] Is 13.1 *that* bad? [08:51] nah [08:51] yeah 13.0 all is fine [08:52] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2010-05-28 17:05 /usr/sbin/pm-suspend -> /usr/lib/pm-utils/bin/pm-action [08:52] ls -lh /usr/sbin/pm-suspend [08:52] Im using an older laptop and have no space left whatsoever ^-^ [08:52] Im usualy late in updateing, tho [08:52] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.8K 2009-06-10 08:32 /usr/lib/pm-utils/bin/pm-action [08:52] is there a chroot named for slack somewhere? [08:52] johndee: I'm using 13.1 [08:52] slackytude, no space left whatsoever? [08:52] slackytude: rm -r ~/.xestaog [08:53] I needz it! [08:53] elench what does that mean in english? [08:53] Roin: I'm building a custom generic for it atm, but many ppl say controversial things about 13.1 [08:53] how are they controversial? [08:53] Delahunt: i run ls -lh `which pm-suspend` lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2010-06-02 03:16 /usr/sbin/pm-suspend -> /usr/lib/pm-utils/bin/pm-action* [08:53] mancha is that a howto specific to slackware/named chroot [08:54] s/that/there/ [08:54] Delahunt: Well, you're saying that it has issues. [08:54] it does, read LQ [08:54] i'm asking how they're controversial [08:55] i.e. how is truth controversial? [08:56] because its ugly? [08:56] lies are much prettier [08:56] because it is .... an inconvenient truth? :o [08:56] Delahunt: I meant opinions. Not very good opinions to be precise. And not much of good ones [08:56] If I make myself clear enough... [08:57] %) [08:57] Delahunt: did you see my output [08:57] well the two issues i mentioned are confirmed [08:57] James____, yes, i have no clue why it's not working for you [08:58] Delahunt, got a link? [08:58] whyis apache dir set to /srv/httpd/, why not just make it /var/www where it is? [08:59] LFS [09:00] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:00] you mean LFH [09:00] You both mean FHS? [09:00] or FSH, depending [09:00] http://justlikeamagic.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/linux-distro-timeline.png [09:00] hahaha [09:00] johndee: explain that one! [09:00] well, whatever [09:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard <-- better clipboard link :) [09:01] adaptr: Filesystem Hierarchy Standart? [09:01] slackytude: LFS has one specific meaning [09:01] Pretty much says for itself [09:01] and it's not the right one [09:01] johndee: does BSD adopt it ? [09:01] slackytude, hold on [09:01] adaptr: No idea :) [09:01] I'm not very experienced with it [09:01] then it should be LFH [09:01] slackytude, isn't LFS linux from scratch? [09:01] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/knotify-crashes-often-809901/ [09:02] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xfce-luks-handling-randomly-fails-809902/ [09:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [09:02] alisonken1home, yeah, sounds right. I meant the linux standard thingy [09:03] adaptr: it is a formalization and extension of the traditional BSD filesystem hierarchy [09:04] is the standard to be messy :P? [09:04] anunkasan (~awohali@chello084113200223.9.14.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [09:04] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:05] JosephK (Light@77.sub-75-197-223.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [09:05] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:05] johndee: ah, thanks [09:05] says wiki [09:05] Hiya all... Got a crontab issue... This line: 0 9 * * */Sun /sbin/e2fsck -fp /dev/sda1 >>/var/log/messages 2>&1 I want the fsck to happen at 9AM every Sunday. That line doesn't SEEM to do it... Anyone?? [09:06] danix (~danix@host184-117-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:06] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-82-141-92-138.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] remove the slash between * and Sun ? [09:07] cacao74 (cacao74@dynamic-adsl-78-13-135-232.clienti.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [09:07] remove or add? [09:07] better yet - 0 9 * * Sun [09:07] leave it as Sun only [09:07] ergh, yeah [09:07] or replce sun with 0 [09:08] Delahunt: The problem is fixed upstream in the just released cryptsetup 1.1.1. [09:08] danix (~danix@host108-118-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:09] That's for Xfce+LUKS bug [09:09] okay thanks [09:09] johndee link? [09:09] johndee, that's nice but it's not in slackware-13.1 [09:09] JosephK (Light@77.sub-75-197-223.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Ciao [09:09] mancha: The second one Delahunt posted, message 6 [09:09] JosephK (Light@77.sub-75-197-223.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Delahunt: Oh, well :) [09:10] Actually, if it's okay, being I have some linux knowledge myself, I will hang out and help out where I can today... [09:10] mancha: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xfce-luks-handling-randomly-fails-809902/ [09:10] thanks [09:11] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:11] mancha: Not really fixed, tho. I haven't read it to the bottom [09:11] Pardon [09:11] ah ok, so it is the 13.1 version only ie earlier ones didn't have it [09:14] NeanT (~me@79.115.162.52) left irc: Quit: bye [09:14] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:16] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] mmm what happened to #slackbuild [09:20] #slackbuilds [09:20] thx [09:22] Axius (~fd@92.85.222.189) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:22] When does one use slackbuilds ? eg. I don't see httpd in slackbuilds [09:23] because it's in slackware-whatever/source/n/ [09:24] so is apachetop and thats in slackbuilds [09:24] no, if it is in the official slackware distrib it is NOT in slackbuilds.org [09:24] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/apachetop/ [09:25] ok and find it in the official distrib now [09:25] and more importantly, if it's in slackbuilds it will not be in slackware [09:25] apachetop: command not found [09:26] adaptr either is httpd and thats in sourcetree [09:27] so when i run pm-suspend by my user it says only admin, but the user must be so when laptop screen is closed it must hybernate, how can I fix? [09:27] elench did you suffer head injury as a child? [09:27] no shit [09:27] mancha yes how did you know. [09:28] noobfarm [09:28] elench, ok, can you link to the official repo where a program in slackbuilds.org is also at the official repo [09:29] alisonken1home I must have misread, tired, was darn sure I saw apachetop in sources. [09:29] slackboy, queue empty [09:30] er - slackytude ^^ [09:30] gimme a sec [09:30] Im an old man [09:30] and its hot [09:30] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:31] and stuff [09:31] heh [09:31] ack think I mixed up sources from pkgsrc, my bad [09:31] ooow, found something disturbing now [09:31] root@trantor:~# find /mnt/data/slackware/slackware-current/ -name *.SlackBuild | wc -l => 666 [09:31] just run: /bin/exorcism [09:31] Call a priest [09:32] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:32] touch exorcism.SlackBuild [09:33] problem solved :) [09:33] There ya go Priase God [09:33] alisonken1home, try now [09:33] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1973 [09:34] #1973 [09:34] oops [09:35] hrm [09:35] anunkasan (awohali@chello084113200223.9.14.vie.surfer.at) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:35] think I cut some vital stuff there [09:35] but the gist is there, Id say [09:36] slackytude, pm me the changes [09:37] dios_mio (test@88.243.197.157) joined ##slackware. [09:37] hello slack brotherz!! [09:37] hello sista [09:39] that post is incomplete [09:39] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [09:39] adaptr either is httpd and thats in sourcetree <-- missing for example, and this prompted my last comment there [09:39] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [09:39] well, he typoed it anyway, it would only confuse readers [09:40] alienBOB : I installed qmmp via your slackbuild. When I play .wav files, the sound analyzer updates rarely. When I play mp3 files, it updates frequently. How can I probe this rare analyzer update problem? [09:40] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:40] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:40] .wav files may have weird chunks, mp3 is nicely ordered - did you try the difference between VBR and CBR mp3s ? [09:40] Nick change: estranho_ -> estranho [09:40] mancha, yeah, just corrected it [09:40] i think it' importnat [09:41] Nick change: xchg_chrr -> xchg [09:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:41] adaptr : I didn't try, but audacious updates sound analyzer frequently when it plays .wav files. [09:41] crocket: that merely proves they do it differently [09:41] it won't help you solve WHY it isn't working [09:42] adaptr : When I was using audacious in ubuntu, audacious didn't update analyzer frequently while plaing .wav files. [09:42] Now it's qmmp. [09:42] which backend ? gstreamer ? [09:42] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [09:42] crocket, i have the spectrum analyzer (the equalizer bars you mean?) updating the same for the qav and mp3 of the same audio [09:42] but i built qmmp myself, i don't know if alienbob did something different [09:42] the rising and descending columns [09:42] yes [09:42] adaptr : I need to check [09:43] mancha: he probably didn't build it himself - he must've pinched it off someone else! [09:43] i suggest you play the same audio in mp3 and wav format. compare that. can't copare different audio clips [09:43] adaptr :It is alienBOB's [09:43] crocket: I was talking about alien [09:44] mancha : I played the same .wav files in audacious and qmmp. [09:44] Isn't it good enough? [09:44] no [09:44] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] if you say wav files update the equalizer slowe than mp3 you need to compare the same audio clip in mp3 format and wav format. [09:44] this is science [09:44] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable092.144-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:44] mancha : Tell me a quick command for converting wav to mp3. [09:45] can't compare apples.mp3 to oranges.wav [09:45] crocket: mencoder ? ffmpeg ? sox ? [09:45] take you rpick [09:45] danix (~danix@host108-118-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:45] Does mplayer do it? [09:45] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] SkyTV (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Changing host [09:45] SkyTV (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [09:45] ffmpeg -i file.wav -acodec libmp3lame file.mp3 [09:46] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:47] chendy_ (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Nick change: SkyTV -> Skywise [09:47] I got a result [09:48] mancha : I converted x.wav to x.mp3, and played it in both qmmp and audacious. [09:48] ad? [09:48] *and? [09:48] JosephK (Light@77.sub-75-197-223.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Ciao [09:48] mancha : qmmp updated it slowly when playing both files, and audacious updated frequently in both cases. [09:48] chendy (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:48] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [09:49] mancha : qmmp doesn't care about file format but the content of the file. [09:49] so you now have to amend your initial statement where you said .wav updates less frequently than .mp3. [09:49] see how science works? :) [09:50] stand back, Ill try science! [09:50] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:50] mancha : I accept my ignorance. [09:51] crocket the important concept here is if you want to understand the effect of "x" then only vary "x" [09:51] Action: crocket sees slackytude explode ballons. [09:51] you were varying "x" and varying "y" and varying "z" so you didn't know what was the cause of the difference. [09:52] mancha : Are you a natural scientist? [09:52] i just play one on tv :) [09:52] http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~meisel/Stand-Back-XKCD.jpg [09:53] by the way, i mentioned this earlier but will do so again, the lastest flash plugin has a security hole [09:53] mancha : qmmp uses cmake instead of configure, so it's hard to configure. [09:54] Cmake doesn't print out configure options. [09:54] you can get the 10.1 rc (which adobe says it thinks is not vulnerable) here: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_1_rc7_linux_060210.so.tar.gz [09:54] adobe makes crappy software [09:54] crocket, yes, cmake is a bit trickier to configure, especially if you don't know cmake well [09:54] its a disgrace [09:54] Joshua__ (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] i just gave it my install prefix and a few optimization flags [09:55] G;day guys [09:55] is anyone able to help me with ProFTPd... i;ve been trying to search for a solution for hours but ive hit a wall [09:55] dont ask to ask, just ask [09:55] Please specify the nature of your slackware emergency [09:56] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:56] anyways, for you flash addicts, i recommend upgrading. that's one way you can get it up the bum...some fella posts a tainted .flv and bam [09:56] mancha : Can you pastebin your qmmp.SlackBuild and relevant files? [09:57] Alright, well with ProFTPd to my knowlage when you create a user they are then able to log in via ftp? (please correct me if im wrong) I've tried everything but my users cannot login, I have enable root login to test that the ftp is working and it is.... [09:58] crocket, try these: http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master/good/qmmp/ [09:58] Nick change: Joshua__ -> GuLdUn [09:58] /msg NickServ identify [09:58] /msg NickServ identify josh [09:59] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [09:59] oppps [09:59] elench (~tevoda@mmocafe.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:59] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [09:59] Wow... [09:59] hahaha [09:59] crocket, i just looked at alien's slackbuild, i do pretty much the same, except i don't pass the mandir and sysconf as qmmp doesn't use either [10:00] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:00] Does anyone have a slackbuild for Qt3? [10:00] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:00] Slackware has [10:02] Joshua__ (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] GuLdUn (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:02] Joshua__ (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:02] alienBOB: i saw that in slack dvd there are kde3-compat libs and i want to run a kde3 app. when builing it ask for qt >3.3 <4 [10:02] GuLdUn (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Azeotrope: kbluetooth? [10:03] There's a KDE 4 version for that, last I checked [10:03] adrien: nope, tork. [10:04] don't kill me, but i can't find qt3 [10:04] bacet (~justin@c-71-236-118-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] bacet (~justin@c-71-236-118-73.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:05] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) joined ##slackware. [10:05] how closely did you look inside the kde3-compat dir? [10:05] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.1/extra/kde3-compat/ [10:05] Azeotrope: so install the packages in kde3-compat! [10:05] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.1/extra/kde3-compat/qt3-3.3.8b-i486-opt1.txz [10:05] alienBOB: [10:05] thrice`: [10:05] Azeotrope, [10:05] it's the fourth or fifthj time i ask for a package [10:06] poor thing [10:06] tenth time's the charm [10:06] because certain mirrors don't have it [10:06] would you like a refund? [10:06] how the hell? [10:06] talk to customer service [10:06] Start using complete and correct mirrors then [10:06] Azeotrope: vidalia [10:06] wdyy (~yy64@123.80.27.26) joined ##slackware. [10:07] NaCl: i use vidalia, but tork has a nice feature. it let's you choose the country [10:07] will the splash= have any function on slack 13.1 in lilo.conf append? [10:07] are you in possession of pair-for official install media? [10:07] "Start using complete and correct mirrors then" [10:07] paid-for [10:07] isn't the sole purpose of a mirror to be complete and correct? [10:08] Azeotrope, I don't think you looked very hard [10:08] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:08] mirrors aren't perfect [10:08] if i go to the bathroom and i miss a hand in the mirror? [10:08] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [10:08] then you're an idiot [10:08] ... [10:09] Azeotrope, you seem to cause a lot of antipathy somehow [10:09] I wonder why [10:10] i saw that [10:10] Why do people use cmake instead of configure? [10:10] dunno [10:10] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] faster, works well on windows, its' flavour of painful crack for developers isn't as bad (all compared to autotools) [10:12] autotools works very well on windows and is the best one for cross-compilation [10:12] I really wonder why, since I never did any harm. I know i have 2 left hands when it's about linux but... [10:13] anyways, my questions and problems reside in the fact i don't have anyone to teach me, and until 6months or so I was just a regular user [10:13] By the way, Does "make -j3" mean compiling three .c files simultaneously? [10:13] Azeotrope, you need to show more effort I think. You came here and said you looked in the mirrors. obvioulsy, you didnt look hard enough. try to ask smart question. people dont like to google stuff for you [10:14] just sayin [10:14] stupid question, but i have tried everything and now im stuck.... i make a new user, they cant logon via ftp... i have rootuser allowed and working to test it... but i cannot login as a user i have made [10:14] is there a way on slack 13.1 to not see all the text on boot, like lilo.conf append="splash=silent" ? [10:14] crocket: if there's 3 targets for compiling c files, and they're all independent, then yes :p [10:14] James____, 'quiet' [10:14] GuLdUn, error message? [10:14] fred : Some slackbuild scripts run "make -j7" and "make" again. Why would they do it? [10:15] It's a mystery. [10:15] because some build systems are crappy and fail with high parralelisation [10:15] slackytude, it just keeps poping up with the login box asking for a password [10:15] It's just good to run "make". [10:15] it's slow. [10:15] slackytude: wouldnt he have to add a ftp user for the server? [10:15] fred : For dual core processors, how many jobs do you recommend? [10:15] 3 [10:15] Action: fred tends to go for cores+1 [10:15] Roin, no, iirc, proftp allows local users to login [10:15] Like guldun in ftp group on the machne where the ftp server is running, he could then login using that user and the password for that user [10:16] slackytude: oh we only have a vsftpd here [10:16] GuLdUn, and when you provide the password? [10:17] just repeats like the password is wrong [10:17] thrice`:i boot it now with splash=quiet but i dont see any difference from normal boot [10:17] James____, append="quiet" [10:17] that'll only print text once the init script skick in [10:17] scripts kick * [10:18] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) joined ##slackware. [10:18] danix (~danix@host189-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:20] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:20] ok, i checked and installed everuthing in kde3-compat but: [10:20] checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! [10:21] Azeotrope, what are you trying to build? [10:22] a bomb [10:22] Azeotrope, have you searched google with that error? [10:22] I haven't installed qt3 in awhile :( maybe something in /etc/profile.d needs inheriting to be in your PATH? [10:22] slackytude: i did [10:22] guax: torK [10:23] Axius (~fd@109.97.61.221) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Azeotrope, nice, didnt knew it [10:27] aren't the files in another directory/prefix and not in standard /usr? [10:27] chendy (~coolshoul@116.30.7.142) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [10:28] adrien: they are [10:29] PATH, PKG_CONFIG_PATH, CFLAGS (-I -L), CXXFLAGS (-I -L) [10:30] i'm lost [10:31] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] it's a set of environmenet variables that will probably need to be updated to account for the different paths [10:32] thrice`: so append="splash="quiet"" that gives errors, when i use append="splash=quiet" then no difference [10:32] thrice` : the qmmp you gave me doesn't update sound analyzer often, either. [10:32] James____, ok, (again :) ) no splash= [10:32] just append="quiet" [10:32] qt-config or kde-config or whatever it's called must be in one of the paths in $PATH [10:32] the .pc files must be in PKG_CONFIG_PATH [10:33] crocket, perhaps it's something in the software itself then, and not the way it's packaged :) [10:33] find and 'less /var/log/packages/qt3*' (or something like that) are your friend [10:33] thrice` : the Slackbuild you gave was not very different from alienBOB's. [10:33] Azeotrope, do you have something in /etc/profile.d/ , like qt3.sh or ? [10:33] Almost identical in essence. [10:34] thrice`: Ok i tried that still the boot i see the same output [10:34] thrice`: only qt4.sh [10:35] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432731.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:35] James____, can you pastebin your lilo.conf ? [10:35] also, did you re-run lilo before rebooting? [10:35] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.63.181) joined ##slackware. [10:35] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [10:36] adrien: thank you. i have in /etc/profile.d/ a qt.sh [10:36] 10:32 Azeotrope| thrice`: only qt4.sh [10:36] good luck Azeotrope , I can't help you anymore [10:37] why? [10:37] thrice`: please see http://pastebin.ca/1877890 [10:37] i found a qt [10:37] it's my day off, and it will make my brain hurt [10:38] thrice`: :-) [10:38] you asked for qt3... [10:38] James____, that looks good; it should make all of the kernel output disappear, and only the text from the slackware stuff show up [10:38] Action: raela sends thrice` some advil and chocolate [10:39] thrice`: ok , in slackware 13.0 i had splashy and a nice boot picture, but in 13.1 it dont work. Do you know some I can use ? [10:39] Rdogg (~Rdogg1996@2.81.138.244) joined ##slackware. [10:40] James____, I don't :( most bigger distros use something called 'plymouth' , but I don't think it would be easy to integrate in with slackware. [10:40] thrice`: what do I do with qt.sh? [10:40] We're no strangers to love [10:40] You know the rules and so do I [10:40] A full commitment's what I'm thinking of [10:40] You wouldn't get this from any other guy [10:40] I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling [10:40] Gotta make you understand [10:40] CHORUS [10:40] Never gonna give you up, [10:40] Never gonna let you down, [10:40] Channel flood from Rdogg -- kicking [10:40] Never gonna run around and desert you, [10:40] Rdogg kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:40] Yay [10:40] Rdogg (~Rdogg1996@2.81.138.244) joined ##slackware. [10:40] thrice`: he's been in here about a week with the splashy thing.. [10:40] alienBOB: ping =) [10:40] Who uses wicd on slack64 and can connect? [10:41] Never gonna say goodbye, [10:41] Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you [10:41] We've known each other for so long [10:41] STFU [10:41] Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it [10:41] Inside we both know what's been going on [10:41] gone [10:41] We know the game and we're gonna play it [10:41] And if you ask me how I'm feeling [10:41] :) [10:41] Don't tell me you're too blind to see [10:41] (CHORUS) [10:41] CHORUSCHORUS [10:41] (Ooh give you up) [10:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:41] Channel flood from Rdogg -- kicking [10:41] (Ooh) never gonna give, never gonna give [10:41] Rdogg kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:41] I wonder if slackboy's threshold can be improved [10:41] Rdogg (~Rdogg1996@2.81.138.244) joined ##slackware. [10:41] actually... [10:41] phrag: ping [10:41] (give you up) [10:41] johndee, I do [10:41] We've known each other for so long [10:41] is vidalia now qt4+ ? [10:41] rworkman: ping [10:41] Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it [10:41] Inside we both know what's been going on [10:41] We know the game and we're gonna play it [10:41] Alan_Hicks: my dear, ping =) [10:41] use /ignore people [10:41] I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling [10:42] Gotta make you understand [10:42] (CHORUS) [10:42] lame [10:42] ohh, adrien and Alan_Hicks, sittin' in a tree, s u c k i n g.... [10:42] *applause* [10:42] raela: wrong channel -_- [10:42] alisonken1home: Does it work? Here it says wrong password all the time. When I start supplicant by hand, it works [10:43] ok - did you make sure the connection information is correct (like wpa-psk wpa2-tkip, etc.) ? [10:44] NeanT (~me@188.26.208.188) joined ##slackware. [10:45] johndee, the other question is "what chipset/driver are you using? [10:45] " [10:45] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] alisonken1home: Yep. It's not that there are *that* many settings. I use WPA1/2 passphrase, which it correctly translates into psk. Driver used is wext (default) [10:46] Dynamic ip's. Tried static - sme thing [10:46] johndee, ok - look at the wpa_supplicant.conf file that you create, then compare it to the wpa_supplicant.conf that wicd creates and see what the difference is [10:47] I am considering making a NM slackbuild [10:47] alisonken1home: Where does it create one? [10:47] /var/lib/wicd/configurations/MAC_ADDRESS [10:48] 1 sec [10:48] NaCl, beat me to it :) [10:48] Nick change: Rdogg -> TrolololoRdogg [10:48] hasansahin (~hasan@88.241.6.177) joined ##slackware. [10:48] but I have an 8y/o trying to get ready for churc [10:48] church [10:49] Nick change: TrolololoRdogg -> omfgdontkick [10:49] needs a pitchfork [10:49] and some horns [10:49] Nick change: omfgdontkick -> lollololol [10:49] omfgdontkick: just leave, I don't care, /nick omfgdontkick_afk and leave [10:50] lollololol: ^^ [10:50] why do you guys argue with trolls? seriously they're not going to listen [10:50] /ignore works well [10:50] hasansahin (hasan@88.241.6.177) left ##slackware. [10:50] lollololol: or lol_away, that works too, that'll set you away a bit [10:51] Nick change: lollololol -> rodfl [10:51] Question: nobody there to ban the troll? ._. [10:51] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:51] soon [10:51] Ok :-) [10:51] Mornin' [10:53] must say, i was expecting the worst with the sun->oracle ooo upgrade. i'm pleasantly surprised [10:53] mancha: care to detail? I'm curious [10:53] it is a significantly faster load time here now [10:54] Rdogg112 (~Rdogg1996@bl20-145-222.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:54] mancha: tried go-oo? [10:54] i've not, no. [10:54] Sweet, Blade Runner is on BBC America tonight [10:54] though i've heard of it. what are the major benefits? [10:54] Nick change: Rdogg112 -> sozmatesyousucka [10:54] I wonder if they got some things backmerged [10:55] it's ooo but with some modifications, for speed, perf, built-in dictionnaries... [10:55] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:55] but I saw some tests and the first results were that it wasn't really faster [10:56] FriedBob, ooh i'm jealous [10:56] rodfl (~Rdogg1996@2.81.138.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:56] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Delahunt: I'm just bumbed I won't be able to see it. I'm at my Mother in law's right now, and cable isn't on at my house until Friday. [10:57] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:57] ah, after the ooo compile not sure i am into another. does go-oo provide binaries? [10:57] mancha: I have yet to be able to get OO.o to build. [10:57] aren't there like 100 versions of blade runner now anyway [10:57] mancha: But it's been a few years since I have tried [10:57] Skywise: This is the original one I believe [10:57] FriedBob ooo or go-oo? [10:58] mancha: I think so but not sure [10:58] mancha: why was the build annoying? only because it's long? if so, what is your computer? 32 or 64? [10:58] yeah it's a long build process and for built-in dictionaries another compile is not worth it to me [10:58] mancha: OO.o. But like I said, it's been several years since I have tried [10:59] Nick change: sozmatesyousucka -> lol [10:59] Nick change: lol -> Guest67493 [10:59] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] alisonken1home: Well, it's a bit different. It has ap_scan=1 and allows WPA1, but the passphrase part seems correct [11:00] alisonken1home: Will it get overwritten if I edit it? [11:00] mancha: they're supposed to provide "universal binaries" but if you need, I'll be happy to provide you with a fast quad-core for compile [11:01] adrien thanks for the offer :) maybe sometime in the future for something i really want :) [11:01] for now, i'll stick to ooo - not a heavy user anyways [11:01] slackytude: this is the error my ftp client gives me.... [7/06/2010 12:58:26 AM] 530 Login incorrect. but the problem is the username and password are 100% right! [11:02] NaCl: Will wicd's supplicant.conf get overwritten if I edit it? [11:02] Axius (~fd@109.97.61.221) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:02] johndee: yes [11:02] to answer my earlier question, yeah vidalia is now qt4+ [11:03] mancha: anytime you want, I'm not a big ooo user either but I'm always happy to provide resources for foss ;-) [11:03] NaCl: So it won't connect even once with my settings? [11:03] johndee, I _think_ it only gets overrwritten when you change settings, but not sure since I haven't studied it yet [11:03] Guest67493 (Rdogg1996@bl20-145-222.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [11:03] or what NaCl said [11:03] it gets overwritten all the time, last I checked. [11:03] dios_mio (test@88.243.197.157) left irc: Quit: We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. [11:03] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:03] I'll try anyway then [11:03] johndee: move the modified file somewhere else [11:03] And run wpa_s on it [11:03] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:04] NeanT (~me@188.26.208.188) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:04] time to go [11:04] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:05] NaCl: It does :[ [11:05] yup [11:05] Hm [11:06] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [11:07] modify the wicd-generated file somewhere else [11:07] And run wpa_s on it [11:09] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:09] wicd-curses same things. Hangs on Validating auth and says Bad password [11:09] NaCl: 1 sec [11:10] GuLdUn (Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:10] wicd-curses and wicd-client make calls to the wicd daemon over dbus [11:10] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:10] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] GuLdUn (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] stupid question, but i have tried everything and now im stuck.... i make a new user, they cant logon via ftp... i have rootuser allowed and working to test it... but i cannot login as a user i have made [11:15] guax: can they log in to their account at least? [11:15] er, to GuLdUn [11:15] ang: yes they can [11:15] what ftpd are you using? [11:16] ProFTPd [11:16] i have even created new users [11:16] i can login to the ftp with root access [11:16] so i know it works [11:16] poplin (~poplin@c-68-38-209-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] NaCl: supplicant does connect with unmodified wicd's config? [11:17] s/?/./ [11:18] ? is more like it [11:18] GuLdUn: which shell are the new users assigned? [11:18] poplin (~poplin@c-68-38-209-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] johndee: did you background wpa_s? [11:18] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [11:18] NaCl: Yes [11:18] the wicd project has been awfully quiet lately :) [11:19] johndee, I haven't been following this, but is your ssid hidden? [11:19] thrice`: the devs have real life to deal with [11:19] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.56) joined ##slackware. [11:19] johndee: uhm... [11:19] Try again in wicd? Sorry, I don't know what else to do. [11:19] twoshot_: Yep [11:20] jomo (~mich@p3EE22CCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:20] set ap_scan to 2 [11:20] and scan_ssid to 1 [11:20] If they already aren't that [11:20] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:20] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:20] twoshot_: The problem is with wicd. And it won't let edit it's supplicant.conf. It connect fine [11:20] he said his ap_scan was 1 [11:20] And if they are, tell me. [11:20] oh. [11:21] hiding essids is worthless anyway [11:21] hm, well I haven't been following. I thought it was connected because you said it hangs on bad password [11:21] NaCl, yeah I hate that my dad hides it [11:21] twoshot_: wpa_supplicant, i mean. It works with both settings..surprisingly [11:21] that's the default error [11:21] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Action: NaCl didn't write that part [11:22] NaCl: Mind if I show you wicd's log? [11:22] Not a good time right now [11:22] I need to get back to studying for the exam I am taking in 40 minutes. :/ [11:22] %) [11:23] Then study, wtf are doing here anyway? :P [11:23] Oh man [11:23] exams on sunday? have they no respect!? [11:23] Exam in 40 minutes and he's ircing.. :) [11:24] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [11:24] I can't find the reason that qmmp responds slowly while playing certain files. [11:24] it's a makeup [11:24] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:24] And I was bored for a little bit. :P [11:24] Action: NaCl goes back for real [11:25] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Even googling leads me nowhere since I have no clue. [11:26] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:27] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:27] johndee, good luck. I have to head out. All I have to say is wireless took forever for me. Then I reinstalled wicd 1.7.0 I think it was and got the example wpa_supplicant.conf file off the internet, changed the wpa-psk one's variables, commented everything else, set ap_scan and scan_ssid, and it worked [11:27] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [11:29] twoshot_: 1.7.0 worked for me in 13.0 [11:29] I just made my own wpa_supplicant conf instead of wicd [11:29] Nothing changed except for Slackware [11:29] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:29] twoshot_: Thanks, anyway [11:29] laptop connects to my usual network when I turn it on [11:29] hm, ok. well good luck [11:30] how do i invoke that setup menu that allows selection of keyboard layout? [11:30] pkgtools [11:30] or how do i properly change keyboard layout? (NOT all locale) [11:30] ok [11:30] raela: I just got used to it. Might as well try slack's own scripts now [11:30] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-45-66-104.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:30] hi all [11:30] well, if it works for you, that's great.. sucks that it broke though [11:31] Since supplicant works fine w/o wicd. It just connects only once, then I have to reboot to reconnect, but that's better than no connection at all, isnt it? %) [11:31] eh? why does it only connect once? [11:31] there's no such thing as keyboard layout in pkgtools [11:31] rm its file, just like you'd do with dhcpcd [11:31] only fonts etc [11:32] raela: Don't know. Prolly my exotic AP setup, but that's how it works [11:32] raela: What file? [11:32] pid? [11:32] cr3_, true [11:32] johndee: if you run wpasupplicant again, it tells you it can't be started because some file exists [11:32] cr3_, sorry, check man loadkeys [11:32] ok [11:32] raela: Nope, it runs. Just won't connect :\ [11:33] johndee: are you using ndiswrapper by any chance? [11:33] ang: Nope [11:33] johndee: /var/run/wpa_supplicant/eth1 in my case [11:33] Gawd, no :D [11:34] and I would start it with wpa_supplicant -Dwext -B -ieth1 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant [11:34] raela: Yep. That's not the casde [11:34] raela: Same here, just w/o -Dwext [11:34] hrm. well, I haven't done it that way since I switched to 13.1 [11:34] cr3_, the maps are in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps [11:34] is there anything in /var/run/wpa_supplicant ? [11:34] cr3_, you can edit/create a rc.keymap to have your map loaded on boot [11:35] raela: I think it creates wlan0 when it starts [11:35] Does anyone use qmmp? [11:36] cr3_, I do /usr/bin/loadkeys de-latin1-nodeadkeys.map [11:36] johndee: so remove that and try again [11:36] NeanT (~me@188.26.208.188) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Ahh, to hell with it. I'll get a ciggy, ice cream and get back to that later. No rush ^) [11:37] raela: It never said that it can't start because of that file, but I'll check that too. Tnx [11:38] Razec (~razec@187.34.16.95) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:39] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:41] Nick change: slackytude -> bastards [11:41] Nick change: bastards -> slackytude [11:41] I give up using qmmp. [11:41] It's too buggy. [11:41] So is qt. [11:41] _guitarman_ (guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [11:43] qmmp plays some .wav files in /usr/share/sounds with slowly updating analyzer even after those .wav files are converted to .mp3 files. [11:43] Another problem, with slapt-get when i try and: slapt-get --install vsftpd, it returns with Failed to execute command: [/sbin/upgradepkg --reinstall /var/slapt-get/./slackware/n/vsftpd-2.2.2-i486-1.txz] [11:43] And qmmp turn on equalizer window often even if I don't want it. [11:43] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [11:43] GuLdUn, sorry, slackpkg is all that is supported :> [11:43] NeanT (~me@188.26.208.188) left irc: Quit: bye [11:44] thrice`, sorry but what do you mean by that? [11:44] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:44] GuLdUn, use slackpkg instead of slapt-get :) [11:45] thrice`, ok i'll give it a crack cheers [11:46] GuLdUn, are you sure vsftpd isn't already installed, btw? [11:46] thrice` : do you use qmmp? [11:46] no [11:46] thrice`, it is, trying to upgrade it... but i also want to get gnome installed cause i cant stand kde [11:47] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [11:47] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:47] manhunter kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Impersonating Pat V. did not help either. Grow up, get a life [11:47] GuLdUn, ah, ok. well, slapt-get 'install' doesn't sound right [11:48] thrice`, it seems to automaticly detect that it is to be upgraded [11:48] no, it's trying to reinstall it [11:48] mmmm [11:49] time to call it a night anyway [11:49] night all [11:51] danix (~danix@host189-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:51] Colonel-Panic (~robinetd@unaffiliated/robinetd) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Colonel-Panic (robinetd@unaffiliated/robinetd) left ##slackware ("just checking something."). [11:52] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:52] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [11:55] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. 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[12:10] it seems that what i needed was to set LANG while running a command [12:10] because i dont want to change any locales except coding [12:10] in wine [12:10] nvm [12:16] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:16] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:18] elench (~insula@b4mad.info) joined ##slackware. [12:18] johndee (~id@93-81-1-5.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:20] johndee (~id@95-29-189-66.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Unhid SSID and it worked [12:21] That's BS! [12:21] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] raela: ping? [12:21] pong [12:22] raela: Are you on wifi now? [12:22] no, my router is a piece of shit. I use wifi at work [12:22] Oh, ok [12:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Who's using 13.1 and connecting using wifi with WPA encryption. Could you please do "iwconfig" and tell what Encryption key value is? [12:24] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:25] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [12:27] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.175.194.39.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:28] johndee, "Encryption key:off" [12:29] nvision: Are you using encryption? [12:30] I guess you do.. [12:30] nvision: Thanks [12:30] One more broken sh*t. How sweet [12:31] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] johndee, yes wpa2 [12:32] nvision: Aye, thank you [12:32] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:33] And no thank you for 13.1 :E [12:33] Watanuki (~naraku@96.45.180.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:36] brainvision (~brainvisi@host198-9-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:36] Nick change: slackytude -> slackytude|zombi [12:36] noname__ (~timur@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) joined ##slackware. [12:37] hello does anyone know how to install slackware from usb stick [12:37] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] alienbob does, maybe you should read his blod [12:38] blog [12:38] There's also a USB readme in the usb-and-pxe-installers directory on the CD/DVD [12:38] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [12:39] that readme has never been of any use to me [12:39] installing via pxe is very simple [12:40] bazzer_ (~toby@212.183.140.58) joined ##slackware. [12:44] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:45] oh wt.. I can't copy paste in vim with 13.1 [12:45] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.170.127) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [12:46] Keep the Shift prssed down while you select text in vim elench [12:46] ah thx [12:46] noname__ (~timur@ip-141-31-190-161.nat.selfnet.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:46] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:46] I have a multifunctional printer seen by lsusb (usb connection) but I can't see it in any other software. [12:47] how do you install and configure printer/scanners in slack? [12:47] i would think that each function should show up as a different device [12:47] wdyy (~yy64@123.80.27.26) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [12:48] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [12:49] lpstat: Connection refused [12:50] Azeotrope: Install and start cups and then connect to http://localhost:631 in some web browser. [12:50] i did that. [12:51] So did it show up in the cups web interface? [12:51] no, i can't add a printer [12:52] See, this is probably why people get frustrated trying to help you. You're leaving out important details when you ask questions. [12:52] For example, you should have mentioned that you went into the cups web interface. [12:53] And "can't add a printer" is not detailed. What did you try? Did you get an error? What *exactly* happened when you tried what you tried. [12:53] I tried to log in as admin, to add a new printer. I first tried with root/pass but it kept nagging me with that auth dialog [12:53] using my regular user said: Forbidden [12:54] anybody using dropbox in slack? [12:55] Azeotrope: So you gave it the root username and password, and what happened? If it continued to prompt you, without even changing the webpage, did you confirm that the password you entered is correct? [12:55] yes, I tried more than once [12:56] adamk: leave it. i'm gonna find the answer eventually [12:56] meanwhile [12:56] adamk: thanks [12:57] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [12:57] bazzer_ (toby@212.183.140.58) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:57] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-139-223.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:58] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [12:58] I do have something to say. Who the hell made a purpouse in life to noobfarm me? And why? Seems that people in here start to really hate me, as if I did somehing wrong. [12:59] Azeotrope: I don't know that yet, but you [12:59] 've just made the best noobfarm quote [13:00] %) [13:00] Azeotrope: my guess is that some people find you annoying [13:00] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Some even said I'm retarded or shit like that. Why? Because I'm bad at linux? How many of you have I insulted? [13:01] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:01] my guess is that allmost all people in here find me annoying. [13:01] you're bad at finding and reading directions [13:01] you'd be correct, we like more independent and resourceful users [13:02] Azeotrope: maybe you ought to consider toning down your language, and see how that works [13:02] Azeotrope, who cares? (i don't anyways, fwiw) [13:03] then again, i'm just guessing, since i don't even know what quotes got onto noobfarm [13:03] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [13:03] woot! VMWare Player now lets users create VMs! [13:03] Action: NthDegree celebrates [13:04] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:04] neat [13:04] it also supports D3D properly, so I think Oracle and MS are in trouble now [13:05] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:05] why Oracle? [13:05] nothing like some healthy competition [13:05] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B552D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] slackboy, Oracle own VirtualBox [13:05] slackytude|zombi: oracle owns sun owns virtualbox [13:05] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [13:05] ah, forgot that [13:06] err slackytude|zombi** [13:06] :$ tab fail [13:06] Nick change: slackytude|zombi -> slackytude|evil [13:06] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [13:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:06] nickals kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: slackin, you've been warned *repeatedly* about that spambot, er, pugbot shit. [13:06] the last noobfarm quote really pissed me off. do you think i made e hobby of asking same thing every month? [13:07] Getting on noobfarm should be a badge of honor :-) [13:07] sQuEE` (~squee@190.230.11.33) joined ##slackware. [13:07] at first I was quite shy and annoyed when I hit noobfarm, but now... [13:07] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Azeotrope: so what's the url? [13:07] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:08] adrien: lol [13:09] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-139-223.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:10] on a side note, complaining about being quoted on noobfarm is a great way of scoring more quotes [13:10] hahaha [13:10] true [13:12] yeah ^^ [13:13] Watanuki (~naraku@96.45.180.106) joined ##slackware. [13:14] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] narhen (~henrik@90.149.34.19) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:15] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:16] anyway, I've had enough. And whoever has something to say to me, pm me. Not behind my back, or in noobfarm quotes. [13:17] Action: Delahunt is listening to Vangelis - The City - Twilight [13:18] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Azeotrope: i think you're only asking for more noobfarm time [13:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] you cannot fight noobfarm, you have to learn how to do with -_- [13:21] didn't we learn anything from high school? if you show people how much you don't like something, they will do it even more just to tick you off [13:21] shhh [13:22] http://pastebin.com/UhNnJj87 <- any ideas [13:22] he must be an only child [13:22] one could says hes noobfarm-challenged [13:22] elench: you do not have xz installed? [13:23] I have no idea what xz is [13:23] thats the problem [13:23] XD [13:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:23] hint: it's the 'xz' in '.txz' [13:25] what's that? (no, not xz) [13:25] what's what? [13:26] what he's compiling [13:27] boostrap for pkgsrc [13:28] Euthanatos (~chakravan@in-67-236-193-190.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:29] what package is xz in? grepin xz from source dir :P well [13:29] /o\  [13:29] *couuch* xz *cough* [13:29] doh, s/couuch/cough/ [13:29] Action: pprkut goes to the couch [13:31] Action: adrien hands pprkut a grog [13:31] sigh thats not what I meant [13:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grog [13:32] (or honey in hot milk) [13:33] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:36] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:38] ITechJunkie (~ITechJunk@ip98-162-243-126.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:38] Nick change: Appetite -> Kustnamenkloate [13:40] Kustnamenkloate (titan@shellium/member/titan) left ##slackware. [13:40] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [13:42] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:43] Appetite (titan@shellium/member/titan) joined ##slackware. [13:43] pprkut: mm xz-4.999.9beta-i486-1 is installed [13:44] grazymax (~grazymax@host152-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:47] incognitus (~neam@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [13:47] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:47] it's not trying to link against liblzma? [13:47] actually: s/?// [13:47] hi all [13:48] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter expired. [13:48] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:48] there is a little problem with xfce on slack13.1 [13:48] i cannot set keyboard applet to panel [13:49] and i use only system settings, but it is not so comfortable [13:54] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:54] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:54] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] incognitus, have you installed the the xkb-panel plugin? [13:55] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:56] yess, but i saw now rw have aploded a new wan, i ll upgrade [13:57] when i try to add it to panel the feel is no active [13:57] but i ll try with the new [13:58] again [13:58] no luck [13:58] just i cant add it to panel [13:58] what i need to do first [14:01] incognitus (~neam@212.233.209.134) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:06] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] anodesni (~andesni@82-136-205-217.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:07] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [14:08] smokeybandit (smokey@207-237-243-149.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware. [14:08] jomo (~mich@p3EE22CCF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:08] Nick change: juan--d-_-b -> loboestepario [14:09] Hi, I'm currently using Arch linux, but I'm looking for a slower paced distro. I like the KISS approach. A few questions: is it very time consuming to install software on slack and does upgrades to newer versions `work' or do they break the system often? [14:09] pnq (asdf@ACA3BAAD.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [14:10] upgrades on software do not break the system [14:10] they may break that software, obviously [14:10] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:11] and isn't this `no dependency' installation very time consuming? [14:11] anodesni: no. [14:11] why should it? it doesnt do checking [14:11] anodesni: it's actually refreshingly simple, since slackware WILL NOT install what you don't tell it to install [14:12] adaptr, but how should I now what are the dependencies? [14:12] anodesni, check out slackpkg, slackbuilds.org and sbopkg.org [14:12] each package will list in its README what dependencies it has beyond the slackware base [14:12] I have yet to come across packages that have more than 2 or 3 [14:13] Ok, so that's not too bad [14:13] well, depends [14:13] anodesni: note that slackware is a fairly complete base installation [14:13] gnome stuff carries a lot of garbage [14:13] slackytude|evil: ewww! go wash your mouf [14:13] but once you have the gconf stuff and whatnot, additional packages are easy [14:14] and I've used Zenwalk before, is the repo of slack similar or larger? [14:14] adaptr, I meant the builds on sbo with gnome dependencies [14:14] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-45-66-104.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:14] anodesni: what's zenwalk? [14:14] a spinoff [14:14] pretty nice [14:14] thumbs, it's a slackware derivative [14:15] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:15] it favours blackbox or ratpoison I believe - or xfce if you want to be flash [14:15] anodesni, you can check the slackware repo on any mirror. it's smaller than what you'd find on arch. thats why there is the community maintained stuff at slackbuilds.org [14:15] very minimal [14:15] well, I think I'm convinced, I'll download an iso and try it [14:16] anodesni, you might be interested in the blackbox or ratpoison builds on sbo. xfce is part of the base install [14:16] anodesni: and if you favour a much heavier gnome environment, there's gsb. [14:16] slackytude|evil, I'm going for kde [14:16] anodesni: when you install, i'd recommending choosing the full option to install all the packages - it seems people often only install portions and those are the ones who end up spending a lot of time with the "dependency issues" [14:17] except emacs [14:17] X) [14:17] anodesni: do install slackpkg and sbopkg ASAP though - it'll save much pain and suffering [14:17] slackpkg is in slack [14:18] alright, thanks for all the tips! [14:18] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:18] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:20] MrJackson (~MrJackson@cpe-24-94-41-123.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [14:21] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [14:21] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.63.181) left irc: Quit: Going to bed............. 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[14:31] hi [14:31] i've installed preload via sbopkg but there is no default config file [14:31] and log says file is empty [14:31] after i start preload [14:31] how do i get proper config file? [14:32] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:32] i've checked /usr/doc/preload but there isn't any config file in there to copy [14:33] cr3_: what [14:33] ? [14:33] cr3_: what's the project's homr page? [14:33] Does cr stand for crack? [14:33] sorry, I pressed the enter key by accident. [14:34] http://sourceforge.net/projects/preload/ [14:34] what do you not understand [14:34] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:35] cr3_: I simply pressed the enter key at the wrong moment. Relax. [14:36] cr3_: secondly, the tarball doesn't seem to contain such a config file. [14:37] it should contain [14:37] cr3_: it should? But the fact, is, the 0.6.4 tarball does not. [14:39] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.85) joined ##slackware. [14:40] sitwon (~adam@pool-96-241-216-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] sitwon_ (~adam@pool-96-241-216-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] that's unfortunate [14:40] sitwon_ (~adam@pool-96-241-216-146.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:45] hello people [14:45] :D [14:46] someone of you knows this software? [14:46] http://funpidgin.sourceforge.net/ [14:46] it called Fun Pidgin or carrier [14:47] it's a Pidgin fork, which add to Pidgin some new feature.. it seems good.. [14:47] have you ever tried it, please? [14:47] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B552D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:48] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:49] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:49] hamcore (rhythm@unaffiliated/hamcore) joined ##slackware. [14:49] is there any configuration to enable colors on /etc/issue.net? [14:49] chegney (chegney@SDF.ORG) joined ##slackware. [14:51] brainvision: have you tried it ? [14:51] hello [14:52] is it best to use slackbuilds with no thirdparty tools? [14:53] for non-official packages that is [14:53] and what's the best way to keep packages up to date? [14:53] slackpkg? [14:53] Is there away to check what is out of date and should be updated? [14:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:53] ITechJunkie (~ITechJunk@ip98-162-243-126.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:54] fhobia: no, I'm asking here ig f someone knows it.. do you? [14:54] brainvision: nope! :) [14:54] chegney: yeah, if you maintain a buildscript, test it on some platforms/version? stating the obvious, but wth you asked [14:54] how do you think is it? [14:54] never ask "how do you think" in here. [14:55] what do you do now, chegney ? [14:55] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:55] brainvision: I think in ponies dancing around [14:56] v4nelle (~van@79.107.251.85) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:59] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:00] brainvision, it hav wainbow colwours [15:01] zomg, ponies!111!! [15:01] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:02] brainvision, why don't you try it and see? [15:03] chegney, use slackbuilds.org for non-offical imo [15:03] chegney, and use sbopkg to keep synced and to check for updates [15:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:06] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@97.103.10.* expired. [15:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:07] jlindsay (~none@c-71-228-171-33.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:09] does anybody use preload? [15:09] why do i think i'm the only person in the world that is trying to use it [15:09] there's no forums [15:09] i mean are [15:09] preload is for crippled systems like ubuntu [15:10] I don't see the point of it [15:11] I could read pdf that i found and write config file from scratch [15:12] but i won't [15:12] well nobody is going to write one for you [15:12] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:19] Guest57250 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:20] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Appetite (titan@shellium/member/titan) left irc: Quit: K-Lined [15:21] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:21] Guest57047 (~A]kber@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [15:22] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:25] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:25] when i boot my mythtv frontend, i need to manually start lircd to get my remote working [15:26] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:26] i put the lircd startup command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local [15:26] it executes, but my remote doesnt work [15:27] if i execute the exact same command manually the remote works [15:27] put in full path perhaps [15:27] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] yep did that [15:27] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:27] /usr/local/sbin/lircd '-d /dev/lirc0' [15:27] when is works, is it running as root? [15:28] ok lets see [15:28] well are you root when you start it? [15:28] root 1492 0.0 0.0 1880 484 ? Ss 18:21 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc0 [15:28] yes root [15:28] hmm [15:29] do all the kernel modules get loaded before rc.local executes? [15:29] usually unless udev detects something [15:29] later [15:29] hmm [15:29] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] my remote is a usb device [15:30] usb ought to be working but you could try a 'sleep xx' command before the lircd in rc.local perhaps [15:30] Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0471:0815 Philips (or NXP) eHome Infrared Receiver [15:30] aye ok good idea [15:30] i will test [15:30] Appetite (~71Y08x4n@shellium/member/titan) joined ##slackware. [15:31] hamcore (rhythm@unaffiliated/hamcore) left ##slackware. [15:31] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:31] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:32] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:32] rc.local [15:32] sleep 15 [15:32] /usr/local/sbin/lircd '-d /dev/lirc0' [15:32] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:33] why the ' ' ? [15:33] i thought that is required [15:33] in scripts [15:33] nope [15:33] aye ok i will remove [15:33] not usually [15:33] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:33] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:33] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:33] that could be the problem - not parsing the options correctly [15:34] yeah!!!! 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[15:39] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] XGizzmo__ (~XGizzmo@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] dive: it works!! thanks [15:41] no problem and did you take out the sleep ? [15:42] probably don't need it if the options are working correctly [15:42] yep works with no sleep [15:42] ok [15:43] i might take some pictures of my box [15:46] pim_: which graphic card? [15:46] nvidia 8600GT [15:46] but i can choose a different one and it boots fine [15:46] so the question is: where is this set? [15:46] pim_: which slackware version? [15:46] 13.1 [15:47] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Nick change: loboestepario -> juangvp [15:47] NeanT (~me@188.26.208.188) joined ##slackware. [15:47] pim_: it's in your /etc/lilo.conf [15:48] and don't forget to run lilo again after you've done your changes! [15:48] juangvp (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [15:48] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:49] andrien i've tried searching the lilo.conf file for 'video' and '316, but they don't show up [15:50] it's vga [15:50] read the file, you have a big chunk of comments about that [15:51] pim_, as noted, it's "vga" and most of the beginning of /etc/lilo.conf covers the different modes [15:52] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:52] it is mostly about menu colors and the location of the option table [15:53] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [15:54] try putting 'vga=791' in it [15:54] then run lilo and reboot [15:54] ok - are you trying to use a bmp type menu or a text type picture? [15:54] brainvision (~brainvisi@host198-9-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:55] that is not the problem alisonken1home, it is completely stock, but i will reboot now [15:55] XGizzmo__ (~XGizzmo@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:55] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [15:56] warmana (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] dive it has worked, could you tell me what making it 791 does? [16:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:00] pim_, from lilo.conf: [16:00] # vga=791 [16:00] # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k [16:01] Kyril (~carl@bas3-sherbrooke-1279324427.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:01] just do "less /etc/lilo.conf" and read the different vga modes [16:02] ah i see it [16:03] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [16:04] can lilo be setup to use a modeline from xorg [16:04] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [16:04] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Quit: http://blog.KeepingYouHonest.net && http://yashunda.com [16:05] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.175.194.39.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:05] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest85189 [16:06] dustybin, don't think so - lilo and X do video differently. lilo will only use the video modes provided by the vesa standard where X will allow you to define video modes that are not standard [16:06] different drivers [16:06] right ok [16:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] danix (~danix@host189-30-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:08] thanks for helping [16:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:12] np [16:13] necrogami (~necrogami@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Quit: necrogami [16:15] unsichtbar (titan@shellium/member/titan) joined ##slackware. [16:16] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-205615.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Greetings [16:16] anyone here using remuco with slack? [16:16] Appetite (~71Y08x4n@shellium/member/titan) left irc: Quit: K-Lined [16:17] if i can't find wine in slackbuilds.org, does that mean it is not yet available for 13.1? [16:17] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [16:18] pim_, try http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine/ [16:19] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:19] pim_, It just means nobody has gotten around to verifying it works on 13.1, but certainly doesn't mean it won't work on 13.1. [16:20] warmana (~quassel@188-222-193-153.zone13.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. [16:21] Nick change: xchg -> _xchg_ [16:21] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Nick change: _xchg_ -> xchg [16:22] alright, well the link admboom sent seems to be working [16:23] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] pim_, 13.1 just came out - sbo takes a little bit of time to get things verified :) [16:25] i understand [16:27] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.36.49) joined ##slackware. [16:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Nick change: xchg -> asdasd [16:29] Nick change: asdasd -> xchg [16:30] Anybody uses awesome wm on slack13.0? I wonder if this guide is 100% valid http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Awesome-3-Slackware [16:30] right now i have no sound, so i wanted to start alsamixer but it says This sound device does not have playback controls. [16:30] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-134-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Anyone know of an app for creating flowcharts? (I'm trying to flowchart an event-driven program for college work) [16:30] dia [16:31] does gnome come with slackware 13.1 [16:31] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-83-134.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:31] no [16:31] NthDegree, what programm? [16:31] gnome was dropped around 10 I believe. it's in the changelog for when it was dropped [16:31] NthDegree, what language [16:31] slackytude|evil, C# :( [16:31] NthDegree, dia works good - and it's in slackbuilds [16:31] pim_, I'll be taking over wine for 13.1 [16:32] dive nice [16:32] NthDegree, try doxygen [16:32] dia is getting downloaded now :D [16:32] any reason why? there isnt any compatibility problems is there? [16:32] NthDegree, not sure how good it is at c#, it can do some nice charts with java [16:32] pim_, as soon as submissions open I will post it but it will take some time as there are going to be a huge number of subs to get through I think [16:33] slackytude|evil, i'll give it a go too ^^ [16:34] NthDegree, its cool cos it can generate a lot of stuff by itself [16:34] i see dive [16:34] slackytude|evil, doxygen will be mega useful for making documentation for my project next year even if it turns out no good for flowcharts [16:34] aye, its rad [16:34] NthDegree, btw, .Net or Mono? [16:34] slackytude|evil, .NET unfortunately [16:35] ack [16:35] NthDegree, calling any platform specific stuff? [16:35] slackytude|evil, application runs perfectly under Mono [16:35] ah, cool [16:35] Mono is nice [16:35] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:35] right now i don't have sound, i tinkered with the settings in alsamixer, but no result. what would be the next step in troubleshooting? [16:35] i'll be writing a game next year, I picked a bomberman clone since I know one already works under Mono.XNA [16:36] pim_: is the soundcard loaded in the kernel to begin with? [16:36] pim_, the 'm' key mutes/unmutes the controls in alsamixer (green is on) [16:36] kwikness (kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] NthDegree, there is xna for mono? [16:36] wow [16:36] slackytude|evil, a highly crippled and barely maintained unofficial project, yeah [16:37] only working game for it is FERI Bomberman apparently [16:37] pim_, also any errors when you 'aplay' a .wav? [16:37] Stx well is it on a stock system? [16:37] NthDegree, figures [16:37] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:40] Stx yes it lists both of my cards [16:40] aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory [16:40] clearly, your card aint configured. [16:41] if youre not running root, chmod 777 /dev/audio0 and chmod 777 /dev/mixer0 might be worth a sho. [16:41] hmm.. should i have reloaded the module when running alsaconf? [16:42] otherwise, Id suggest trying to load the kernel module for your soundcard [16:43] chegney (chegney@SDF.ORG) left irc: Quit: Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go? [16:44] pim_, alsaconf as root [16:44] then alsamixer [16:44] and then (assuming it all works) 'alsactl store' [16:45] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:45] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:45] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-205615.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: quit [16:45] dive now it says: cannot open mixer: no such file or directory [16:45] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.36.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:46] did you run alsaconf? [16:46] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [16:47] dive yes, and after that alsamixer wouldn't run anymore [16:47] hmm [16:47] did alsaconf find a card? [16:48] yes it found 2 [16:48] ah [16:48] what cards do you have? [16:48] onboard and a pci? [16:48] a soundblaster and one onboard [16:48] indeed [16:48] Jennifur (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Going! [16:49] and which do you want to use? [16:49] the pci one [16:49] one solution then is go into bios and turn off onboard audio [16:49] Check to see so that the modules for the soundblaster card isnt loaded [16:49] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:49] if they are, unload them. [16:50] another is to use alsaconf to only use the pci [16:50] Stx, no he wants to use the soundblaster [16:51] strace -eopen alsamixer might give you some valuable output too. [16:51] ... [16:51] dive: fine [16:52] pim_, when you ran alsaconf did it list both cards? If so just select the soundblaster which should be ens1371 iirc [16:52] it talks about ca0106 [16:53] that's the onboard I would guess [16:53] onboard is a nvidia thing [16:53] the ca0106 is the soundblaster [16:53] hmm is it an original soundblaster or a later model? [16:54] i don't know exactly [16:54] however, it is the only card in /etc/modprobe.d/sound [16:54] hah, secunia's top 3 reports are: adobe flash; adobe acrobat, and adobe photoshop cs4 [16:54] does 'lsmod | grep ca0106' show it has the module loaded? [16:55] see a pattern willis? [16:55] You first step should be to find out wether Linux even supports your soundcard. [16:55] Stx: it does it has worked with ubuntu in the past [16:55] mancha, indeed [16:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:56] k [16:56] lsmod gives snd_ca0106 29150 1 [16:56] ok [16:56] and alsaconf only had that card listed? [16:57] no it reported two cards [16:57] what was the other called? [16:57] what does cat /dev/sndstat tell you? [16:58] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Nick change: slackytude|evil -> Sigmund_F [16:58] nVidia Corporation CK804 AC' 97 Audio Controller [16:58] pim_, ok that is an audigy ls [16:58] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.32.122) joined ##slackware. [16:58] the ca0106 so that is the one you need [16:58] Nick change: Sigmund_F -> slackytude [16:58] Stx no such file or directory [16:59] "If the cat command displays ?No such device?, then the sound driver is not active in the kernel." [17:00] Stx, I don't have that either and my sound is fine :) [17:00] Stx, no it cleary states No such file or directory [17:00] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] okie dokie [17:00] pim_, when you start alsamixer did you do 'alsamixer -c N' ? [17:01] no i did not [17:01] try doing -c 1 [17:01] (one) [17:01] alsamixer will not start [17:01] kwikness (kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] well with your options it iwll [17:01] it might be messing up with card numbers [17:02] will [17:02] what does it say near the top for sound card model? [17:03] ca0106 [17:03] right so it's made you card as card 1 [17:03] rather than card 0 [17:04] i don't know audacious says ALSA error no suitable mixer element found [17:04] so you ought to use alsaconf and get it only to configure for that card if possible [17:04] that's what i've been doing [17:04] or manually make sure that /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf only lists that card and has it as sound card and alias 0 [17:05] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432731.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432731.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:07] it has been like that all the time [17:07] pim_, the easiest way would probably be to disable the onboard audio in the bios [17:07] then see what alsa does [17:07] or Stx is right, and the kernel modules need to be sorted [17:07] however, it is late and i am tired [17:07] well it said the module was loaded [17:08] thanks for all the help, i'll continue tomorrow [17:08] bye [17:08] night [17:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:11] danix (~danix@host189-30-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:13] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:15] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrr [17:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:38] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:38] Nick change: unsichtbar -> Appetite [17:41] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:43] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:47] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [17:48] Hi. [17:48] Why doesn't Patrick Volkerding get his Ph.D.? [17:48] ??? [17:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:50] mancha, reading about toolchain along with the slackguide. I then wondered about the man behind Slackware and found he only has a Bachelor. [17:50] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:50] The man is brilliant. Getting his Ph.D. means more publicity for Slackware! [17:51] i have no idea how smart pat is or isn't but phd still are mainly for academic professions...and they were certainly less common some decades ago [17:52] They are still uncommon. o.o [17:52] also, i doubt he is looking for a new job at this point in his life so what would would justify 4+ years of hard study and who knows how much money? [17:53] Dunno.. but... I guess fame is worthy too. Plus Linus Torvald, google brothers, the man who made Drupal itself, and many others all have their Ph.D. [17:53] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.38.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:53] rather speak more in real achievment than a paper achievment [17:53] but people call me a radical :P [17:53] I'm starting my journey to Ph.D. early, so I've been reading a lot of papers, research work, etc. [17:54] achievement* [17:54] j4son, many if not all of the Ph.D. in computer science have high achievements! It's not just paper. You need to do research, actual development, etc, to get your Ph.D. [17:55] sure [17:55] I have relatives that work in big companies like google, etc and they tell me that most of folks doing the dirty work are graduate degree holders. [17:55] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.37.188) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Dunno, just saying. I know a lot of people hate the academic environment. I used to too. I'll stop though. Just thought it's a nice topic unless there was a discussion already on-going. [17:57] what do you mean by you're starting early [17:57] it just never worked for me [17:57] raela, I'm still an undergraduate. I am working my ass off to maintain a good gpa and learning how the whole process for Ph.D. work too. [17:57] very unchallenging [17:58] j4son, Ph.D. work is very challenging. Like solving N=NP? problem or other difficult compsci problems. That problem I named is perhaps the most difficult in this field. You could earn $1,000,000 for solving it. [17:58] how will I afford the school for that challenge? [17:58] um it's not really starting early until you get in [17:58] it is P=NP not N=NP :) [17:59] j4son, um.. financial aid. D: raela I don't mean actually starting it. I still have a long way to goo. [17:59] mancha, whoops, slipped sorry. [17:59] and it is certainly hard, so it has the $1 million clay prize, but there are many others equally challenging [17:59] j4son: some fields actually pay you for phd [17:59] most, I'd say [17:59] raela, most. [17:59] There ya go. [17:59] free tuition + stipend, but most stipends are below minimum wage [17:59] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:59] Especially if your topic is of interest to the world. [18:00] They give you enough to survive but not enough to buy a Lexus. [18:00] I think it can be shown that if you could reduce one NP problem to N, you could do it for all [18:00] topic doesn't matter [18:00] well here in the real world that isn't very easy to obtain [18:00] Really? My adviser said the topic choice is important. [18:00] other than some fields not being as well funded [18:00] I went to a good school for my masters and was barely engaged [18:00] j4son, really? May I ask which school? [18:00] stipend amount is not determined by desired topic [18:00] riza: www.umd.edu [18:00] Bachelor and Master's are about broad though, Ph.D. is about depth. [18:01] Cool I have a certificate from University of Illinois and I attend CUNY now. [18:01] raela, here you can't pick your own. You pick from a set of given topics. [18:01] God I'm nervous. [18:02] still, I doubt they allocate more stipend offerings to specific topics [18:02] funding yes, stipend no [18:02] I dunno. I'm still learning. [18:02] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF790.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [18:02] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.37.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:03] All I know is I'm going to do whatever it takes to get my Ph.D. I'm teaching myself everything. I have Art of Programming, I'm reading, attending courses, doing certificates, learning learning learning. [18:03] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] I just recently learned about research work. Bought a book and waiting for it so I can learn to write proper research paper. I have to prepare myself to cap my GRE score, etc. Whatever it takes. <:) [18:03] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] is the default x and xapps installed, is xdm installed? [18:04] I didn't install kde [18:04] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.222.20) joined ##slackware. [18:04] I think so chegney. [18:04] chegney: just like in /var/log/packages to see what you ahve installed [18:04] shrug, I took gres once, without studying, got okay scores, only had 2 references sent to my school (third forgot to), and didn't take the additional recommended exam [18:05] s/like/look/ [18:06] Kyril (~carl@bas3-sherbrooke-1279324427.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:06] I wanna develop something for the world with this research paper. [18:06] Einstein wrote like 50 research papers, many which are still relevant today. [18:07] chegny, xdm is in "x" not in "kde" [18:07] so what, you're aiming for one paper? [18:07] but einstein was einstein [18:07] okay, so I need to change a configuration setting to change runlevel? [18:07] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] I don't see an /etc/rc.conf [18:08] raela, at the moment, learning to be able to write one will make me very happy. So yeah just aiming for one at the moment. [18:08] chegney, there is no such thing as rc.conf. [18:08] itc /etc/inittab [18:08] whats this rc.conf stuff? :) [18:08] old stuff [18:08] hehe [18:09] sorry [18:09] where do I change the loginmanager setting from xdm to slim at? [18:09] /etc/rc.d/something? [18:09] No. I forget the command. [18:09] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Hm.. [18:10] I think it's /etc/rc.d/init4 [18:10] look for something 4.. rc.4? [18:10] /etc/inittab [18:10] yes, it is in /etc/rc.d/rc.4 [18:10] to change default runlevel [18:11] basically you need xdm to have precedence over kdm (the default #1) [18:11] but if kdm is not on your system as you said, it should go to xdm naturally (i think) [18:11] Oh. [18:11] Hm.. [18:11] yeah, it has if checks to go down [18:11] You know, I wonder if I can do my dissertation topic on Slackware and something related to it.. I know Linus Torvald wrote a paper on Linux. [18:12] well, he can do that [18:12] no, you can't [18:12] lol [18:12] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:12] its easy to get slackware mentioned in a paper tho [18:12] it cannot be your main topic, tho [18:12] I bet psychology could [18:12] psychology of slackware users [18:13] Im writing about a device for which I wrote a driver [18:13] abnormal psychology [18:13] and my develop machine was a slackware machine [18:13] lol Let me change my major from math/compsci to psychology so I can write a paper about you guys. [18:13] you can add a lot of references to driver development and linux structures [18:14] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:14] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:14] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [18:14] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) joined ##slackware. [18:17] By 2050 a $1000 or so computer will have more computational power than all of the human species. Interesting.. [18:17] ;_; Technology makes me cry, brb. [18:19] Alright, now that I finished wiping my little eyes I'm going to go read GEB, thanks a lot for talking to me guys! 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[18:39] anybody knows if latest cairo 1.8.8 package includes xcb support? [18:42] GuLdUn (~Joshua@traffi5.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] I think so, darkrho ; --disable-xcb is commented out [18:44] what about glitz, quartz, and all that other fun stuff? [18:44] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.1/source/l/cairo/cairo.SlackBuild [18:45] /dev/lazy [18:45] pfsense vs ipcop? [18:46] who here is knowledgable about the 2d magic of cairo and can explain those surface backends? [18:46] ferdna, ipcop. [18:46] More flexible and more support. [18:46] mancha, not I, but I think glitz was a crappy experiment, most of which got fixed / put into cairo itself [18:47] riza, thanks riza [18:47] thrice`, I thought so, but this guide mention to recompile cairo with --enable-xcb http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Awesome-3-Slackware#Cairo [18:47] riza, i've heard that pfsense is faster [18:47] darkrho, I'd guess that it doesn't apply since 13.1 is out - try without [18:48] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:48] thrice`, yes, I will try installing latest cairo from -current, I hope it doesn't break anything [18:48] darkrho, you're not on 13.1? [18:49] thrice`, 13.0 [18:49] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:49] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [18:49] yes you need to darhko, cairo's default is no xcb [18:49] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] gui_ap (guilherme@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) left ##slackware. [18:50] mancha, even in -current/ [18:50] ? [18:50] darkrho, ok, then do NOT just update to 13.1 (or '-current, which is the same) version of cairo [18:50] so if pat's slackbuild simply doesn't have --disable-xcb this doesn't mean xcb is compiled in [18:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [18:50] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.143) joined ##slackware. [18:50] yes [18:51] darkho can you explain xcb to me? [18:51] should I compile latest version or same version as 13.0? [18:51] Jennifur (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [18:52] mancha, explain xcb? I want to install awesome wm and requires xcb (replacement of xlib api) [18:52] i'd stick to the same [18:53] xcb is an alternative to Xlib then? [18:53] mancha, http://xcb.freedesktop.org/ [18:54] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:54] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] hrmm, sounds like it a moar better Xlib. why is pat's cairo not xcb-friendly then, was the cairo interface to xcb buggy? [18:56] Slackware has long stuck with things that are tried and true. [18:56] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.64.146) joined ##slackware. [18:56] why slackbuilds doesn't allow to set custom cflags from environment? Most slackbuilds I'd seen use hardcoded -O2 -march=i486, it will be easier to compile stuff with optimized cflags [18:57] adamk, like sendmail [18:58] darkrho because slackware is not a compiled distrib like gentoo, it is distributed as binaries, and no everyone has a pentium 100, so he chose 486 as the common denominator (sorry 286 and 386 owners) [18:58] darkrho, Yeah, if your environment was setup for that. Hardcoding it into the SB means that anyone can run it on their system without having to have a special environment setup [18:59] mancha: I think i386 has been deprecated upstream, too. [18:59] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:59] thrice, if glitz is a dailed experiment why is it still a compile option in the latest cairos? [19:00] failed* [19:02] dunno, maybe he didn't want to include the glitz library for some reason or other...it is composting for opengl right? [19:02] adamk you probably know, is this composting thing bad news ? [19:02] true, but I think just a CFLAGS=${CFLAGS:$SLKFLAGS} will make the trick and keeping the safe defaults [19:04] Action: sinuhe takes it back, unable to find a source [19:04] i think the philosohy has been different to ricing it up... [19:04] mancha: Huh? Not sure I understand that question... [19:04] mancha, it's gone from 1.9.x, I think [19:05] the glitz layer above opengl (to do alpha and what not composting), have you heard if this is buggy? i am trying to figure out why pat's cairo doesn't have it as a backend for opengl acceleration [19:06] thrice, oh hrm, ok, i am not a cairo devel follower. is it deprecated or have the opengl accels been incorporated into the core cairo code? [19:06] Sorry, I have no idea on the specifics of glitz. I've never really paid it much attention, more interested in the end result of compositing :-) [19:06] well having accel layers like glitz have important effects in the "end result" [19:06] *on the end result :) [19:07] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:09] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:09] aha, thrice you're right [19:10] glitz apparently is deemed unmaintained and cairo has chosen the GL surface over the glitz surface [19:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:12] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:12] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Quit: curiosity kill the kat [19:13] makes sense to plug into opengl directly instead of using a roundabout way through the redner extension. i will use xcb though. thanks darkho for brining this up [19:15] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:15] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-134-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:18] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [19:18] hello all where can i download slackware 13.0 dvd iso torrent file? [19:19] slakcware.com has a link to th e torrent [19:19] there have only for 13.1 [19:19] i need for 13.0 [19:19] the channel topic might also [19:19] oh, hrmm, sorry reading is hard. 13.0 dunno [19:19] Not sure many people are going to be seeing the 13.0 DVD anymore [19:19] okay mancha i have 1 problem with 13.1 [19:20] and i can't repair this problem [19:20] alphad (~alphad@41.66.5.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:20] can you help me? [19:20] people here might have the 13.0 torrent saved [19:20] anyone have the 13 torrent file? [19:20] mancha i have only one problem with slackware 13.1 [19:20] and the problem is pppoe-connect.. [19:20] please see here http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH [19:22] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [19:22] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ne7work: though not directly linked on my site, http://alphageek.dyndns.org/torrents/slackware-13.0/ [19:23] hi all, whats the equialent to apt-get for slackware? [19:23] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda [19:24] dang alphageek [19:24] :D [19:24] Ouch [19:24] alphageek i don't need too slackware 13.0 i need alsa 10.0.23 [19:24] i need slackware 13.1 :( [19:24] i have 13.1 [19:24] and i have problem :( [19:24] can you help me? [19:24] hello all where can i download slackware 13.0 dvd iso torrent file? [19:24] ^ I answered that [19:24] fridim (~9d80dace@gateway/web/freenode/x-zbaiyutvumgxscra) joined ##slackware. [19:25] alphageek and tnx [19:25] i download torrent file now from your page [19:25] can you help me with my problem? [19:25] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:25] ask & see [19:26] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] alphageek okay :) [19:27] i write pppoe-setup.. and I configure my pppoe.. and after that i write pppo-start and.. after pppoe-start.. [19:27] when i write pppoe-connect see this http://pastebin.com/e6Qb1eXH [19:28] hmm.. [19:29] mm :( [19:30] GuLdUn: look in to slackpkg and slackbuilds.org [19:30] alphageek some ideas? [19:30] ne7work: I have to ask. why are you using 'pppoe-connect'? you should only use 'pppoe-start' [19:31] i need to use pppoe-connect [19:31] to start my internet connection [19:31] look at the manpages.. "Note that normally, you should not invoke pppoe-connect directly." [19:31] because only with pppoe-start i can't browse the net [19:31] then you missed something in your configuration [19:31] no [19:31] brb.. cooking supper [19:31] i don't miss anything [19:31] nvision (~nvision@e179132227.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:31] on slackware 13.0 i don't have problem with pppoe [19:31] now on slackware 13.1 i have this problem with pppoe-connect [19:32] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [19:32] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:38] TehRabbitt (~rabbott56@c-71-59-82-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] loboestepario (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [19:43] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:52] Action: alphageek sits back down for a moment [19:52] interesting [19:53] slackware/n/rp-pppoe-3.10-i486-1.txz is unchanged between 13.0 & 13.1. it's the exact same package [19:53] what about ppp [19:53] I can only conclude that you missed something in your upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1. did you keep your old configs? [19:53] kloeri (~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:54] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:54] that changed. 13.0 has pppd 2.4.4, 13.1 has 2.4.5 [19:55] tear packages (or source tarballs) apart, diff them, look for changes [19:56] to give any definitive answers, I'd be doing exactly that. given I'm kinda busy making food, I'll leave that step up to you [19:57] I'm also rather curious about 'ppp1' being mentioned in the pastebin. where's ppp0? [19:57] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] maybe before diffing downgrade to 13.0's ppp and see if that fixes [19:57] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [19:58] would seem extremely strange, especially for a minor version bump [19:58] if still broked you saved yourself the diffs :) [19:58] as well, could be a resolv.conf or similar issue.. try 'ping 66.249.90.104' (ip of www.google.com) [19:58] Action: alphageek runs off again. biab [19:59] kloeri (~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) joined ##slackware. [20:00] hamcore (rhythm@unaffiliated/hamcore) joined ##slackware. [20:01] alphageek no i format my hard drive [20:01] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.207) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Is there a way to not have lugaru (sdl game) hijack the mouse and all keypresses? you can toggle fullscreen or not with alt+enter, but even in windowed mode you can't "get out". alt-tab has no effect [20:02] wow, VirtualBox is amazzzzzzing XD [20:03] loboestepario (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:03] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: [20:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:07] sveva65 (~sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [20:10] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [20:10] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:11] hello =) [20:12] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [20:12] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) joined ##slackware. [20:17] is there a slackware dvd/cd iso file somewhere? [20:18] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) joined ##slackware. [20:18] nvm. the title of the room has the torrent file. :) [20:19] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.131) joined ##slackware. [20:19] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware64-13.1-iso/slackware64-13.1-install-dvd.iso [20:19] cesurasean (sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) left ##slackware. [20:19] use a torrent! how rude [20:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:23] figabo (~figabo@201.164.170.127) left irc: Quit: figabo [20:26] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:31] xsamurai (~munki@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [20:31] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) joined ##slackware. [20:33] FZR0 (rambo@cpe-67-9-74-146.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:36] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Nick change: loboestepario -> lobo [20:39] Nick change: lobo -> Guest70639 [20:39] Nick change: Guest70639 -> el_lobo [20:39] slack-o (~tanis@201.86.47.250.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:40] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:41] |Slacker| (~tanis@200.146.23.181.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:41] hiptobecubic^: I haven't tried the game yet, but I suppose you'll have patch the game by yourself or request a patch on the mailing list :P [20:41] Nick change: slack-o -> |Slacker| [20:41] mako-sama, it's a good game [20:41] Jennifur (~Jenny@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:41] toast10111 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:20] Xgates: this might seem crazy but there might be no wifi available around you ? [21:20] btw you using openbox is not relevant to your issue [21:20] I have a router sitting right next to me :) [21:21] ahhh, you have to sit on it [21:21] haha [21:21] is your interface up ? [21:21] wlan0 [21:21] ifconfig -a [21:21] if so , run " iwconfig wlan0 scan | less " see if your AP shows up [21:22] Action: xsamurai notices he's the only that laughs at his own jokes...... [21:22] unknown command scan [21:23] err [21:23] sorry [21:23] iwlist wlan0 scan [21:23] before I ran /etc/rc.d/inet1 INTERFACE_wlan0 and it tried to bring it up but I can from the cli I can't since I have it secure but in ifconfig it shows wlan0 [21:24] wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning [21:24] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:24] is it up ? [21:24] ifconfig wlan0 up [21:24] Hi. Why is backgrounding / foregrounding a job / process important? [21:24] root@slackware:~# ifconfig wlan0 up [21:24] root@slackware:~# [21:25] wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 0c:60:76:51:82:c2 [21:25] riza: i can set up a complicated command line while referring to documentation, for example [21:25] ifconfig -a shows but I'm not connected [21:25] riza: search google for bg / fg [21:25] chegney (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] why wouldn't wicd see my network? [21:26] okay, I've got my system up and running with slackware 13.1, running x, openbox and slim login manager [21:26] you arent able to scan in the first place, wicd wont be helpful [21:26] somethings I've installed from slackbuilds [21:26] how do I keep things up to date? [21:27] oh, so why isn't it scanning? [21:27] chegney: 3rd party pkgs you can use sbopkg [21:27] chegney: for slackware pkgs use slackpkg [21:27] Xgates: wrong drives or interface isnt up [21:27] xsamurai: so I need to install sbopkg from slackbuilds i'm assuming? [21:28] Hon Hai Precision? [21:28] chegney: there should a prebuilt binary pkg [21:28] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] chegney: http://www.sbopkg.org/ [21:28] chegney: here: http://sbopkg.org/ [21:28] jynx ! [21:28] does ath9k use the wext? [21:28] trhodes: beat ya [21:28] thanks guys [21:29] Xgates: is the driver loaded ? [21:30] lsmod shows it yes [21:30] one more question, when updating, should I run slackpkg first and then sbopkg? [21:30] Xgates: what version of slackware are you running [21:30] trhodes, oooh I see now. Thank you. [21:31] chegney: sbopkg is for slackbuilds.org pkgs only [21:31] xsamurai: right, before updating slackbuild packages, should I update official first using slackpkg? [21:31] bzzz (~user@213.149.138.60) joined ##slackware. [21:32] chegney: yes update official first, its really situation dependent [21:32] if the sbopkg uses official libs or what not , i would update the official libs pkg and then update the sbopkg [21:33] if no update is there for the libs or relevant pkg then it doesnt matter i would just update sbopkg [21:33] xsamurai: 13.1 [21:33] Xgates: paste your lsmod |grep ath at pastebin.com [21:33] k [21:33] also ifconfig -a [21:33] iwconfig wlan0 [21:34] xsamurai: thanks again! I'm new at slackware, I've been a gentoo user for a long time [21:34] hi all [21:34] xsamurai: http://pastebin.com/7PYYjEUW [21:34] how GB need slackware 13.1? :) [21:34] chegney: welcome and enjoy [21:34] ok [21:34] bzzz: all is not in today [21:34] bzzz: for all the pkgs on the cd you need minimum 5GB [21:35] thumbs: ola thumbs [21:35] hola. [21:35] xsamurai: http://pastebin.com/dNxs0BPg [21:35] tnx xsamurai [21:35] xsamurai: http://pastebin.com/1aUpjMiR [21:36] I recompiled 2.6.33.4 so I'm missing some extension? [21:37] Xgates: you have a custom kernel ? [21:37] yeah [21:37] Xgates: ahhh [21:37] I thought I had all the wireless stuff compiled [21:37] should have mentioned that first [21:37] sorry [21:37] Xgates: you still have the default kernel ? [21:38] generic or smp ? [21:38] generic smp [21:38] let me check the .conf [21:38] rahul_ (~rahul@p57B03843.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] I have the old config [21:38] you didnt mess rc.inet1.conf ? [21:38] no [21:38] I did but I put it back [21:39] i see, i suggest you boot the generic kernel, run lsmod save the output in a file [21:39] and then enable all the drivers in your new kernel and rebuild [21:40] ok [21:40] i am getting an error : xrc directory not found, hugin needs to be properly installed [21:40] Tried Path:/usr/share/hugin/xrc/, when i try to run hugin, i am on slack64-13.1, with multi lib enabled per alienBOB's tutorial, also installed packages of 13.1 a,ap,d,n,l,x [21:40] well in the meantime I'm looking over the new config too [21:41] what's xrc? [21:41] something related to wxrc, which is part of wxwidgets, [21:41] which is installed [21:42] ok. [21:43] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Razec (~razec@187.34.21.103) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:44] anyone running hugin successfully on slack64 13.1? [21:45] anyone isn't? [21:45] rahul_: did you build the hugin pkg yourself , or did you get a binary ? [21:46] i am trying to run the 32 bit binary from 13.0 [21:46] you need multilib to run x86 binaries [21:47] multilib is enabled powtrix [21:48] enabled? [21:48] which package contains /usr/bin/mount? [21:49] Action: powtrix is consulting the crystal ball [21:49] hamcore: no such file [21:49] enabled, i mean 32 bit stuff installed , also the compat32 packages installed [21:49] powtrix maybe you should consult /var/log/packages instead [21:50] hamcore: util-linux-ng has mount [21:50] i think the base packages hamcore [21:50] isnt mount in bin [21:50] not /usr/bin/mount [21:50] yep [21:51] sysvinit then [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AD2E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Action: xsamurai back to work [21:52] i tried compiling hugin and it works into shitty compile errors [21:55] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/cant-boot-after-unfinished-current-upgrade%3B-libblkid-so-1-missing-792833/ [21:55] that's the problem i'm having. [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488EBE2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] upgraded my slackware using slackpkg but now it doesn't boot [21:56] where's libblkid? which package? [21:56] hamcore: you installed 13.1, ran slackpkg, then rebooted? [21:56] no thumbs [21:56] upgrade from slackware 13 to slackware 13.1 using install-new, upgrade-all, clean-system [21:56] and rebooted [21:57] I see. [21:58] i tried a mkdir /mnt/slack, mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/slack, chroot /mnt/slack but it shows FATAL: Kernel too old [21:58] umm [22:00] i'm using slackware 11 dvd as bootdisc [22:00] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [22:00] Action: danc3 makes a mental note of one MORE reason not to use slackpkg... [22:01] bzzz: please don't send me a private message without permission. [22:01] ok [22:01] np [22:01] danc3: I just use installpkg / upgradepkg install-new for version upgrades. [22:02] Does anyone use QMMP? [22:02] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:03] thumbs: I use a clean install for all upgrades. Best way to ensure no weird stuff happens. [22:03] like what's happened to hamcore, for example. [22:03] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [22:04] I've been lucky so far., [22:05] danc3: slackpkg is just fine [22:05] pupit: ask hamcore if he thinks so... [22:05] I can't think of a good reason to use it for anything [22:06] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:06] tuvok302Lappy (tuvok302@clgrtnt5-port-29.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] hamcore: 11v dvd has an older kernel [22:08] but i can install missing packages using installpkg -root, can't it? [22:08] hamcore: you have access to root? [22:09] hamcore, download kernel of 13.1 and install [22:09] shud work for u [22:09] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/problem-after-update-to-13-1-cannot-find-libblkid-so-1-a-810904/ [22:09] it seems i'm not the only one [22:10] hamcore: yeah there are dozen of people [22:11] what package i have to install to solve it? [22:11] util-linux-ng? [22:12] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:12] hamcore: you have or not access to root? does your slack boot? [22:13] pupit no, it doesn't. [22:13] thumbs help me pls [22:13] hamcore: ok, does your pc boots from usb? [22:13] bzzz: sorry, what's your question? [22:13] http://img404.imageshack.us/i/51314954.png/ [22:13] view [22:14] bzzz: what about it? [22:14] bzzz: sda2 boot [22:14] bzzz: yes, don't make the swap partition bootable. [22:14] aham [22:14] oks [22:15] tnx :) [22:15] pupit i think i logged [22:15] the error is /proc/* is not being created and after it shows libblkid.so.1 error [22:16] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Quit: I'll be back... [22:16] install util-linux-ng-2.17.2.tar.xz should fix it? [22:18] hamcore: if you are still trying to chroot with an old 11v slackware disc its fine by me, keep up with it, but i suggest to download the usb pxe installer for 13.1 if your pc can boot from usb and then do a fsck or whatever... [22:19] i'm logged into System Maintenance, it helps? [22:19] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] Hey folks [22:19] Anyone brave enough to try btrfs yet? [22:19] hamcore: i dont follow you, what sys. maint.? [22:21] wcd6 (~wcd6@201.253.138.195) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [22:21] pupit after the error, slack requested the root password for System Maintenance mode [22:21] now i'm at root@() but can't run fsck, it shows libblkid error [22:21] it seems it read-only [22:21] wcd6 (wcd6@201.253.138.195) left ##slackware. [22:21] jesus, I think you better just start over, and lose the ver. 11 disk.... [22:21] its. [22:22] hamcore: like i said, keep up ;) [22:22] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:23] Nobody here uses QMMP? [22:24] i just have a feeling hamcore , you should reinstall slack, backup /home and whatever else you need and do a clean install [22:24] I concur [22:24] s4lv4d0r_ (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [22:27] Nancy (tuvok302@clgrtnt7-port-231.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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I can only find SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO and SPEEDSTEP_ICH [22:46] Xgates, not all items are in the menus [22:46] Xgates, if you're in make menuconfig then hit / and type speedstep_lib [22:46] ok [22:47] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] it's listed with =n so how do I enable it, in the .config I just have to open it and edit it there? [22:47] Xgates, yes [22:48] Xgates, if you use make menuconfig then it will be automatically enabled when needed [22:48] huh? No it won't [22:49] well I compiled my own smp-generic and it doesn't get loaded in it, but when I run huge and run lsmod it's loaded so I thought if it's getting loaded then my system is using it [22:49] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:50] so then why is huge loading it and my kernel isn't? [22:50] because huge has everything built into the kernel (not modules) [22:50] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:51] lsmod doesnt show the builtin modules, does it? [22:51] if you have it specifically as "=n" in the .config, it will not load in your kernel [22:51] I thought lsmod shows what your hardware uses, not just strictly listing mods for the sake of it but what your box usess [22:51] uses.... [22:51] after all why load every mod if you don't have hardware support for it, makes no sense [22:52] no it shows all loaded modules [22:52] ahhh [22:52] haha [22:52] so how the heck then do you know what mods your box is using? [22:52] there is a command, cant remember it though.. [22:53] my linux skills getting rusty maybe I knew that and just forget it LOL, either way I'd like to know just what my hardware uses is all [22:53] `lspci -vvv` as root [22:53] If a module is loaded, more than likely it is being actively used by your hardware. So the output of lsmod, with some adjustments, is more or less your template for what you do and do not need [22:54] that's true, it's just that sometimes you will see things listed that are not in actual use [22:54] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:54] some things can't be built as module, support for filesystems for e.g must be built-in. [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:54] Xgates: To list all modules, type /sbin/modprobe -l. To list loaded modules use /sbin/lsmod. Note that the last list is much shorter. [22:55] I thought to just list all mods is just lsmod [22:55] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Xgates don't you forgot to enable support for your filesystem? (reiserfs, ext3) [22:55] ok [22:56] it's a common mistake [22:56] hamcore: who said anything about ? hehe [22:56] not me :) [22:56] I know :) [22:56] uh, i was just trying to help you. [22:57] but it seems you don't need help [22:57] hehe I was just teasing ya ;p [22:57] thanks [22:58] ops, my fault. i was thinking you can't boot your system. [22:59] no I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing to get wicd working with my wireless [23:00] I have ath9k and I thought I had everything compiled in my new kernel for it but when I load wicd it says no networks found and I also can t scan so something is missing, not sure what [23:01] AEnima1577 (clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:01] so I need to figure out what modules my box is using so I can see what's different [23:01] Xgates checked http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k out? [23:03] rahul_ (rahul@p57B03843.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:03] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:03] Xgates: see if it works with the huge kernel [23:03] hamcore: like I said, just trying to figure out what I didn't compile in that's all :) [23:03] danc3: yeah it works [23:04] use diff [23:04] just need to figure out what I'm missing in my kernel is all [23:04] ok, do you see an 'ath9k' module loaded when using huge? [23:04] to get the differente between your .config and huge .config [23:04] s/differente/difference [23:04] I know about diff but that's not going to show me what is being used [23:04] hamcore: there would be so much difference that it wouldn't be helpful... [23:04] clutch (~clutch@unaffiliated/clutch) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Nick change: Appetite -> {a}ppetite [23:04] yes ath9k being loaded [23:04] and it was loaded in mine too [23:05] my mod isn't the problem it's something that wireless needs or my mod that I left out [23:05] there are some other things under wireless/networking that need to be enabled... 802.11... [23:05] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) joined ##slackware. [23:05] yeah I left out some of the standards [23:05] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:05] wasn't sure [23:06] go thru *every* setting in networking/wireless and look carefully [23:07] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:07] here's what I have, ath9k, ath9k_common, mac8021, ath9k_hw, ath, cfg80211, led_class [23:07] there is more than that required [23:08] yes I know, hehe but not sure what :) [23:08] go thru it again, enable things that look likely in network/wireless [23:08] then later you can turn things off until it breaks again [23:08] there's a bunch of like standards stuff but I left them out [23:08] and then you know [23:08] yes [23:08] don't leave them out [23:08] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) joined ##slackware. [23:09] they're called "standards" for a reason... [23:09] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:09] I thjnk this might be it ---> cfg80211 wireless extensions compatibility [23:09] I left that out [23:10] cause before wicd was complaining also about extensions [23:10] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) joined ##slackware. [23:10] yup [23:10] Installing slackware right now. Had a 100mb boot partition for Archlinux before this, should I just leave it and mount it to /boot, or is that not necessary with this distro? Sorry if that's a dumb question. [23:10] that's definitely required [23:11] clutch: not necessary but can be done that way, doesn't matter [23:11] danc3: thanks, good to know. [23:11] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [23:11] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:11] Xgates: enable that extension stuff [23:11] danc3: I think that's all I need and left out I'm going to just try that with the below that is show: Wireless extensions sysfs files [23:11] fridim (~9d80dace@gateway/web/freenode/x-zbaiyutvumgxscra) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:11] any advice on what filesystem is good for /boot? Can't remember what I did before. [23:12] I think it was ext2 [23:12] clutch: you don't need a /boot in slack fs [23:12] clutch: ext3 would be my choice [23:12] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) joined ##slackware. [23:13] this isn't gentoo you don't need a /boot partition :) [23:14] there are other good reasons to use a /boot partition, but that's a whole 'nother conversation... [23:15] tavl (~tavl@189.70.250.229) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:15] yeah just kidding [23:15] me I just use / swap [23:15] You don't need a /boot in Gentoo either, but that's what the handbook says and so all the sheep assume it's necessary instead of an almost useless anachronism [23:15] go fix your wireless extensions [23:15] I keep it simple don't need others.... [23:15] LOL [23:15] Action: Xgates runs make [23:15] I have a /boot, /home, /swap, and /root partitions left over from the previous Arch install anyway [23:15] having at least /home on its own is nice [23:16] mwnn` (~user@59.92.175.242) joined ##slackware. [23:16] clutch: yes, but the others are not needed [23:16] I'm really happy with 13.1 on a lappy Pat has finally got this Pup working pretty nice [23:16] Having a seperate /home is better than a seperate /boot [23:16] concur [23:16] yeah I'll vote for /home :) [23:16] but I don't have one either [23:16] it's not like one negates the other [23:16] but even that is not really necessary for most casual home users [23:17] look just take care of the system and don't use crap hardware and if you're a geek you'll make it all work no matter what ya got... ;p [23:17] seperate /home saves a lot of time on backups when reinstalling. Are there particular pitfalls to having a seperate /boot I should be aware of? [23:17] mwnn (~user@59.92.141.157) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:18] clutch: nope [23:18] clutch: There's no real pitfalls, it's just the reasons for /boot being seperate (mostly to keep it under the 1024 cylinder limit) haven't been relevant in years [23:18] Oh I got one going off the subject here boys and girls.... Anyone know how to code? [23:19] LSD`: ah. I think the Arch installer does it by default, lol. [23:19] or the manual recommends it at least. seems pointless [23:19] Xgates, Kind of a vague question. What languages are you asking about? [23:19] We need someone to carry on with pcmanfm-legacy instead of the 0.9x version that wants to start going to route of gnome deps and gvfs [23:19] not sure what pcmanfm is coded in [23:19] LSD`: that's not the reason these days. it's for ability to use different technologies for /, such as lvm, encryption, certain levels of raid [23:19] Is there something in some window manager where you can get rid of like the upper right corner so you can place a terminal there or something and not have the window gaining focus cover the terminal [23:19] let me look [23:19] So like a 6 sided window [23:20] I think it's just your run of the mill ole C [23:20] MS3FGX: http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/ [23:21] Action: clutch just saw 'installing series k' and got pissed thinking it was installing kde [23:21] but no, thank god [23:21] clutch: it can easily be removed later. [23:22] thumbs: I deselected it, but thought it was installing anyway. series k is the kernel source though. [23:22] had me going for a second [23:22] MS3FGX: here's 0.5.2: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcmanfm/files/pcmanfm-legacy/ [23:24] say I noticed when installing Slack in the menu it showed that /lib/modules/2.6.33.4 was required along with the smp mods if you were using a smp kernel, BUT if you're going to compile your own smp do you need to keep the 2.6.33.4 mods still? [23:24] bzzz (~user@213.149.138.60) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:25] Xgates: keep a backup, stock kernel. [23:25] Xgates: it'll save your life one day. [23:25] yeah I know that's not the question hehe [23:25] Yeah, I have never actually used a stock Slackware kernel on any of my machines, but I always keep it installed just in case. [23:25] If you compile your own kernel then you'll (usually) be compiling your own modules so you should be able to lose them, but keeping a known good kernel around is a good idea while you;re experimenting [23:26] I only used the mods I compiled against and I didn't have any problem so I didn't get why Pat was making that people had to have two different versions installed [23:26] I'm done with the experimentation I can run my own kernel, just trying to figure out why Pat did this in 13.1 if you noticed it [23:27] mwnn` (~user@59.92.175.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:27] Hey, is the installer going to know where to put lilo since I'm using a seperate /boot or will I need to use the expert option? [23:27] just curious, still installing right now [23:27] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.32.122) joined ##slackware. [23:28] I'm glad I know how to make my own stripped down kernel I was really surprised how slow the smp-generic was at booting, even a bit slower on my box to for some reason [23:28] clutch: The MBR is in the same place whether you have a /boot or not :P [23:28] LSD`: herp derp. I should know that. :/ [23:29] has anyone gotten the slackbuild for openoffice to work? [23:29] Xgates: so does your wicd work now? [23:29] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.32.122) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:29] make is still running [23:30] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:30] damn [23:30] what is that, a 486? [23:30] no LOL [23:30] x64 cpu running 32bit [23:30] still.... something not right [23:30] but don't forget we are talking 2.6.33.4 this isn't a 2.2x kernel anymore [23:30] LOL [23:31] this core2duo compiles one from scratch in just a few min (less than 10) [23:31] less then 10 doesn't have that much in it then [23:31] and if all you changed was that wireless extension, it should take about 1 minute [23:31] my kernel takes 15-20mins and that's fine :) [23:31] well, yeah, stripped down to match the hardware [23:31] isn't that the point of doing it? [23:32] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:32] oh now I just cleaned it all out and ran it all over to be safe [23:32] oh now.... [23:32] errrr [23:32] oh no... [23:32] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:32] make clean && makle [23:32] make [23:33] man I'm enjoying OpenBox3 in slack with Conky [23:34] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:34] figured out how to use feh in the menu to click through wallpapers and set them in the background' [23:34] oh I feel so geek [23:34] LOL [23:35] MS3FGX: so what can you code? you think you can handle pcmanfm-legacy? [23:35] I want someone to revive pcmanfm-legacy [23:35] pcmanfm 0.5.2 is really great, just needs a few touch ups from what I've seen [23:35] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] darkrho (~rolando@190.107.32.122) joined ##slackware. [23:36] danc3: ok kernel compiled from a clean start :) [23:36] see that wasn't so slow :) [23:36] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:36] hi, what is my audio device if it is not /dev/dsp? [23:37] I am trying to configure VLC to show TV from my bttv device, video is there, but there is no audio [23:37] Xgates, I can do C, but a project like that is way over my head. I like to stay in terminal apps myself. [23:38] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:38] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@adsl-6-73-195.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:39] BsdNeo_ (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [23:39] install finished, rebooting. Cross fingers for me plz. :) [23:39] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:40] MS3FGX: ahh ok [23:40] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:41] MS3FGX: you wouldn't be able to just touch it up a little? I forgot who it was, but I had the same issue too, sometimes it would show the devices twice, like if you plugged in a usb drive it would show the partitions twice, whatever you had, however many... [23:42] would be nice if someone could just fix that [23:42] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:43] danc3 how do i install a .tar.xz file? [23:43] ok off to reboot [23:43] brb [23:43] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [23:43] hamcore: you mean a .txz file? [23:43] i made a slackware-13.1 iso and i'm trying to use installpkg --root /mnt/lnx (assuming i mounted my slackware on /mnt/lnx) [23:44] oops, ignore it. [23:45] BsdNeo_ (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] i was checking out source/a instead of slackware/a/ [23:47] uhul, solve the trouble, danc3 (: [23:48] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:54] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:55] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [23:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon Jun 7 2010