[00:00] If you want desktop-style virt, use VBox. [00:00] vbox has an open source addition, but it doesn't have all the cool toys [00:00] If you don't mind closed source, VMWare Player works awesomely. Newest release even added edit and create GUIs. [00:00] It's almost on par with Workstation (expensive), just no snapshot support. [00:01] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:01] yeah, I've used that too [00:01] i used qemu before.. does qemu support accelerated directx in windows guest os? [00:01] I wouldn't say Xen isn't as good as VBox. They are meant for different things. [00:01] I don't think qemu deos that [00:01] but I could be wrong [00:02] can xen do it? [00:02] not sure [00:02] Dunno how well Xen could run Windows... [00:02] Xen requires custom-built kernels in the guests - Vbox doesn't. [00:02] I don't know that you CAN run Windows in Xen. [00:02] I know it can in the commercial version from Citrix. [00:02] Dunno if the open source edition can do that. MS license stuff makes it hard. [00:03] xen is a "hypervisor" that means it installs like an operating system before i install slackwar? [00:03] yeah, sorta [00:03] Xen is kinda like VMWare ESXi [00:03] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:04] The Xen hypervisor sits on the bare metal and the OSes run on top of it. [00:04] jkwood: custom-built kernel... you mean I have to enable the "paravirtualization" support in the kernel? [00:04] foobarz, that's KVM support, iirc. [00:04] http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/InstallationNotes [00:04] Read that if you want more info on Xen. [00:04] There's more to it than that, I believe. The kernels have to be specially patched. [00:05] jkwood, yes they do. [00:05] does anyone here use UML ? [00:05] Some distros have Xen-enabled kernels that they ship with. RH is a notable example. [00:05] I only know this because my hosting company uses Xen, and we have to use the host-provided kernels, unless we set up PV-Grub (which is, again, a custom kernel setup.) [00:07] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [00:10] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [00:10] hi [00:10] thanks it works, after a kernel panic but i solve it \o/ [00:10] juan--d-_-b, wellplayed [00:10] =D [00:10] so Xen is really optimized for running multiple guest OSes that are like a copy of the main host OS, which is some specially patched Xen kernel? [00:10] maddslacker: thanks [00:10] np [00:12] Basically. [00:13] Motoko-chan: o/ [00:13] ? [00:13] Action: Motoko-chan has been here [00:14] you can use am unpatched kernel.org kernel on a domU. but like jkwood said, pvgrub needs to be involved [00:14] I know, but I just realized it. I've been gone a while. [00:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:15] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-37.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Ah. [00:15] Gone in the head, maybe. [00:16] I was talking along you 10 minutes ago [00:16] lol [00:17] Action: Motoko-chan downloads some video [00:17] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:20] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:22] computers are complicated these days [00:24] I could become regular non-geek computer user and just install Windows 7. But no, I have to run linux and try to fool with server hardware and virtualization and stuff. Geez. [00:25] get the most bang for the buck...:P [00:27] MLanden, how many bangs per $ do you usually get? [00:27] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.49.182) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:27] edman007, 'Til the dam thing don't bang no more....:P [00:28] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:28] well then i'm not paying more than 1 cent since it seems like i can get a great deal with just that [00:28] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:28] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:29] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.215.30) joined ##slackware. [00:29] lol,edman007....good philosophy..:D [00:30] Action: alreadygone waves [00:30] heya,alreadygone [00:30] hello MLanden :) [00:30] hi [00:31] MLanden, is causing trouble [00:31] who,me? [00:32] don't deny it [00:32] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Does Slack 13 come with anything that allows me to record sound? I need to test my mic. [00:33] audacity? Dunno if it's included. [00:33] Slackbuilds.org would have it if not. [00:33] Motoko-chan: It's on SBo, not included in Slack. [00:34] It's still awesome [00:34] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/audio/audacity/ [00:34] Thanks, just sbopkg'd it. [00:35] Action: Motoko-chan builds a new RPM of KVIrc [00:35] Action: jkwood wonders why sdlmame takes a thousand years to build [00:36] Motoko-chan: rpm? which distro? [00:36] I think one of them's stands for "millenium". [00:36] Mandriva [00:36] CelestialWurm, aplay should be enough to test it [00:36] *the m's [00:36] jkwood, so I fixed mythtv, even though it was a cough*slack*cough issue [00:36] maddslacker: Oh really? [00:37] jkwood, i don't think qt3 is fixed yet... [00:37] yeah, recompiled mythtv with --enable-libfaad [00:37] which was suggested by a non-asshole on their irc [00:37] oh, well in my install qt3 is b0rked, but i think its a -current only issue [00:37] so i had to recompile qt3 on my system [00:38] edman007: Possibly related to libpng? [00:38] sure seems like it could be [00:39] jkwood, no, mysql was updated and qt3 didn't get rebuilt to match it [00:39] mame has 1000s of games, each game has a code file... it is huge [00:39] mythtv uses the qt3 mysql libs [00:39] Ah, that would do it. [00:40] how come the mac users are always trying to convert me lately ? [00:40] Soul_keeper, i don't try to convert you do I? and i use a mac sometimes... [00:40] I told them I don't want their damn proprietary, expensive, apple inc. gimmick :) [00:40] sysadmin joke: http://xkcd.com/705/ [00:40] Soul_keeper: Extra coolaid lately after the MaxiPad debacle. [00:41] PathagenX (~Miranda@219-88-89-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:41] and the child lsbor [00:41] labor [00:41] alreadygone, nice [00:41] figures [00:41] :) [00:42] ls -la /dev/child/labor [00:46] alreadygone, seen it and it's awesome [00:46] cool :) I saw it just today! [00:46] Action: Motoko-chan is a sysadmin [00:46] PRAISE THE LORD SDLMAME IS IN THE MAKEPKG STAGE [00:47] Sorry, I was getting impatient. [00:47] no need to shout while praising the Lord [00:47] :] [00:47] gm152_ (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:48] Well, some would argue that point. [00:48] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:49] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4083, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-04 04:49:54 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [00:50] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] mame is great.. you can play games like PC-Man and Centipede [01:00] Pacman [01:01] what is a pacman? i don't understand the name [01:02] A pacman is a game from Japanese company Namco. [01:02] Not to be confused with Rockman. [01:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man [01:02] maddslacker (corey@71-212-184-108.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:02] foobarz [01:03] nice wiki.. thanks [01:03] jkwood, or rock lobster, which was a song by the B52s [01:04] PathagenX (~Miranda@219-88-89-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [01:06] Motoko-chan: Thank you for the new trivia. I had no idea. [01:06] lol [01:06] Action: Motoko-chan knows lots of random stuff [01:07] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:10] kevin01123 (~kevin@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] zed_DX (kvirc@187.146.133.216) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [01:10] Is there a way to adjust brightness with KMS using the intel 915 driver? [01:11] Screen brightness, I mean. [01:13] cu (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Nick change: dchmelik -> dchmelik-chan [01:14] This may be the wrong place to ask, but does Slackware's lack of package management and a huge dev team make it less secure as a web server? [01:14] I love slack for my desktop, but .. [01:14] mtkoan: No. [01:15] 'lack of package management,' 'huge dev team?' uuuuh.... [01:15] compared to a project like Debian [01:15] mtkoan: slackware has package management. [01:15] ReLeNtO (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:15] Hm [01:16] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [01:16] mtkoan: Well, if you want to go that way, Slackware's lack of patches on upstream source has helped its security. [01:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:16] And Debian's bigness didn't help it with the SSL bug a year or two back. [01:17] since I'm not an expert, I don't know what to look for, etc [01:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [01:17] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:17] yeah, we figured that. :P [01:17] I want to be, but I'm not there yet, so I'm a bit worried putting up clients sites [01:17] Puck Man, that would have been terrible [01:17] Slackware is just fine as a web server. Strange things don't get patched into the software, which has hurt other distributions in the past. [01:17] Lol [01:18] mtkoan: Have you used Linux before? [01:18] yes for about 4 years [01:18] What distro? [01:18] slackware mostly [01:18] i started on debian [01:18] kevin01123, what's the make and model of your laptop? [01:19] MLanden: It's an Acer Aspire 5735. [01:19] mtkoan: Go with whatever your comfortable with. [01:19] Well I like slack [01:19] Slackware and Debian are both well supported. [01:20] Nick change: cu -> ReLeNtO [01:21] Ok, thank you for your thoughts [01:21] mtkoan: Neither is particularly better than the other, but I think you'll find the answer to be mostly Slackware on this channel :) [01:21] I can't speak as to Debian, but I do know that I've seen less emergency fixes immediately after a release in Slackware than anything else I've run. [01:21] kevin01123, you could check intel's database to see if brightness is working with the newer drivers and the gma chips..might be a patch [01:21] jkwood: I just bought some space on linode :) [01:22] tingi (tingi_1@unaffiliated/tingi) joined ##slackware. [01:22] mtkoan: Awesome. =) [01:22] MLanden: I've disabled it for now. It works with framebuffer, and googling around, it seems like it's been a problem. [01:23] mtkoan: I will let you know, the lion's share of support you'll find in the Linode support channels will be Debian-oriented. [01:23] kevin01123, which driver are you using? [01:23] MLanden: i915. [01:23] That said, I'm working on getting all the Slackware stuff up to snuff, and still trying to get Slack 13.0 images deployed. [01:24] That would be nice [01:24] jkwood: included 64bits? [01:24] The nice thing about Slack is, most advice you'll get will be generic enough so you can work with it. [01:24] I followed a post in the forum about upgrading to 13.0, and now have slapt-get using 13.0 repos [01:25] kevin01123, ok [01:25] anyone have problems installing vitualbox from sbopkg in 2.6.33? [01:25] BP{k}: Yep. =) [01:25] i've 3 ftp clients ( 2 packages, 1 custom written), i need to find out when transferring 3 GB video files which one takes least load on CPU and is suggested for other applications to run smoothly. How do i test this ? [01:25] mtkoan: Ah, yes, I saw that post. I'd recommend slackpkg over slapt-get, though you're certainly free to use whatever you wish. [01:25] Just use it responsibly. ;) [01:26] jkwood: why is that? [01:26] jkwood: \o/ [01:26] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422650.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [01:26] slackpkg is official-only, and is included in /ap. slapt-get pulls from third-party repos, which can break your system. [01:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422650.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:27] MLanden: Have you been using KMS? [01:27] Ah ok [01:27] Either one can cause problems if used irresponsibly, but so can using wget and installpkg, for that mateter. [01:28] kevin01123, yeah..with an older 865g and the intel 2.10 driver [01:28] MLanden: Does you brightness work? [01:28] kevin01123, desktop [01:29] MLanden: Ahh. I see. [01:29] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Heh...they're still on Fedora 11 and Gentto 2008.0. [01:30] I'll have to be more on top of things for 13.1. [01:30] gentoo is still around? [01:30] when is 13.1 out? I'm on 13 now, seems to work fine and solid for me [01:30] There's like three guys using it. [01:31] it's now known as genthree [01:31] 13.1 will be out "when it's ready." [01:31] three very optimized guys [01:31] briareus: lol [01:31] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] kevin01123, i was just asking on your make and model 'cause there are a few articles that might help from their forums [01:31] One of them is straterra. [01:31] three guys whose machines destroy yours. Just saying. [01:31] what about my machine? [01:32] if it's gentoo, it's utterly superior by its severe optimisation over ours. [01:32] Not my optimization. I'm running teh 64-bitzors. [01:32] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-67-189-121-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Landru! Guide us! [01:33] gunslinger (~John@c-71-199-190-19.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] pffff. If you run gentoo you are t3h d3str0y3rz over us [01:33] I almost started with Gentoo as my first Linux distro. Almost. [01:33] LFS was also a strong contender. [01:34] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [01:34] I started with Gentoo. [01:34] mrselfpwn: Still compiling today? [01:34] MLanden: Hmm. I'll go parosing. Thanks. [01:34] You WILL learn how to fix a broken system that is for sure. [01:34] Learn with LFS [01:35] kevin01123, np...good luck [01:35] heck, for that matter, learn with slack ;) [01:35] mrselfpwn: When I used Gentoo and tried to update, it informed me that the man-pages package conflicted with my system profile. I had to uninstall them to update. [01:35] Slack isn't extreme enough. [01:35] My first real foray into Linux was with Slax - a year of that, then I moved to Slackware, then Slamd64, then back to Slack. [01:35] MLanden: Thank you. [01:35] haha, yeah, you don't bootstrap a whole toolchain [01:36] Action: jkwood can't believe he bootstrapped the whole thing [01:37] kevin01123: yeah, that is the type of thing i'm talking about [01:38] tingi (tingi_1@unaffiliated/tingi) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:38] When I moved to slackware I was like, Woah!, _this_ is what linux is supposed to be like. [01:38] Now at'sa spicy meatball! [01:39] heh [01:40] cbpye (~Administr@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] Action: jkwood reminds himself how to enable directory browsing in Apache [01:46] Ah, .htaccess, right. [01:46] Action: Motoko-chan sighs @ ffmpeg [01:46] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [01:47] kevin01123 (~kevin@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:47] Motoko-chan: The whole build chain? Yeah, it's a tad annoying. [01:47] s/a tad// [01:48] BP{k}: I even built all the annoying optional deps. [01:49] jkwood: yeah me too. it's one of the things that made me decide *not* to clean my /tmp. having those build deps around saves time [01:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:54] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-37.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [01:54] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-37.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Action: jkwood mirrors alienBOB's KDE and multilib stuff [02:00] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:04] kevin01123 (~kevin@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:06] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [02:06] alienBOB: Check the comments on your blog posts for -current and KDE 4.4.1. 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[02:53] byteframe: beware the confectioner's cough :) [02:53] cbpye (~Administr@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:54] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:54] how we all doing today [02:55] is it the weekend yet ? :P [02:55] trhodes, what is? [02:55] knoxville: my technology has all rebelled against me at the same time. [02:56] byteframe: eating confectioner's sugar can make you cough :) [02:56] hmm i really wish i could play music on one laptop but get the same music to also play through all my other laptops [02:56] pulseaudio to the rescue [02:56] i've got it streaming sound, but there's a module for that [02:57] (multiplexing network audio) [02:57] esd might do it too, but I wouldn't know how to do it [02:58] no, pulseaudio drives the failbus [02:58] i'm trying to figure out how to do it with esd [02:58] why no love for pulse ? [02:58] mandriva killed that for me, sorry [02:58] aww shucks [02:59] I've encountered pulse one time. I don't want to encounter it again. [02:59] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.215.30) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:59] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:59] dang, 3rd voice against it yet... :) [03:01] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:01] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [03:01] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [03:02] Action: jkwood stabs pulseaudio with a rusty wooden spoon [03:02] haha, ouch [03:02] o.O [03:03] i like it, anyway :P [03:07] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:08] man this is not fun [03:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:08] how do you plan to make that work ? [03:10] Action: trhodes needs to learn ESD better anyways 'cause NX server and client use it. [03:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:14] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-45-26.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-236.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:15] how come sound works under root (xfce) but not normal user? [03:16] jrodger: Is your user in the audio group? [03:16] yes [03:17] And you've logged out and back in since adding him to said group? [03:17] yes [03:17] restart? [03:17] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. 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[03:35] no, all sorted now...thanks [03:35] there's always silly stuff like -ao pcm in mplayer (i've gotten out of sync sound that way :P ) [03:35] mlangdn (~michael@72-4-53-85.customers.cinergycom.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:36] trhodes, no thanks (VLC), just audacious/xmms [03:36] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:37] (I've only used VLC on a windows machine myself) [03:38] googling "esd broadcast address" and "esd multicast" comes up empty (even google.com/linux) [03:49] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.25.117) joined ##slackware. [03:49] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-45-26.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:50] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:52] razel (~rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:52] razel (~rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:18] good morning [04:19] good mornin' :) [04:19] hi Axtroz [04:19] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-038.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:21] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-038.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:22] morning :-) [04:22] :) [04:28] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-45-26.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:29] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-222.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:33] cu (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:33] cu (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:36] ReLeNtO (~qetuwih@pool-71-174-149-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:37] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:41] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:44] qneo (~knao@adsl-d12.84-47-86.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [04:45] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] delt0r___ (~delt0r@80-123-55-24.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:48] Hey, I'm having trouble getting my desired keyboard layouts to work [04:48] This is my hal 10-keymap.fdi file: [04:48] http://pastebin.ca/1824944 [04:49] But when I change my groups in LXDE, I suddenly get three layouts (us, en_US and de), and the applet even shows the wrong layout [04:50] delt0r_ (~delt0r@80-123-57-118.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:51] What have I done wrong here, and how do I rid myself of this extra en_US layout? [04:51] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:51] not sure but you can try checking input.xkb.variant [04:53] Camarade_Tux: I thought so, because I tried changing it to qwerty,nodeadkeys [04:53] And now I only have one layout: "UNKNOWN" in the applet [04:53] Any suggestions? [04:53] qwerty is not a variant afaik [04:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:54] I have fr-latin9 which is azerty and use 'latin9' as the variant [04:55] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [04:56] eviljames: solved your kernel problem? [04:57] Camarade_Tux: What if I leave the first entry empty, like ,nodeadkeys ? [04:58] *no* idea :-) [04:58] oh, but I don't think it'll work [04:58] Srbo (~Srbo@109.93.179.158) joined ##slackware. [04:59] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:00] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-45-26.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:01] What if I just comment out the line? [05:01] You know what, I'll just try that [05:01] Be back in a bit [05:01] pupiteee (~p@93.86.38.197) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:02] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-038.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:05] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [05:06] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [05:13] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:14] BAH! [05:14] ** (gvim:12183): CRITICAL **: gtk_form_set_static_gravity: assertion `static_gravity_supported' failed [05:14] I guess gvim would enjoy a recompile in -current [05:14] it ouputs that 5 times and that takes 15 lines, best way to fill a terminal [05:15] Action: Camarade_Tux is definitely grumpy today [05:17] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [05:18] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:26] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [05:26] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:27] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:31] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:35] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:36] I'm trying to compile some apps and I get the following error: http://pastebin.org/102161 [05:36] Azeotrope: which app? could it be for kde3 while you're running kde4? [05:37] Camarade_Tux++ [05:37] Camarade_Tux: TorK. But i encountered the same error with other apps [05:38] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] which apps? [05:38] Torchat, Tork, Conky [05:38] this is what i got for conky from a slackbuild http://pastebin.org/102162 [05:39] that's not the same error at all [05:40] i was the same when i tried installing from source [05:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [05:41] How can I install a KDE 3.x app on KDE 4.x? [05:41] conky is not a kde* app, here the problem is completely different [05:42] What is the problem there? [05:42] and you can't really: what is the app you are currently trying to install? [05:43] Conky [05:43] I have the slackbuild and the sourcecode [05:43] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.108.182) joined ##slackware. [05:44] I mean, the one complaining about kde-config not being found [05:44] one problem at a time [05:46] Camarade_Tux: the kde-config not being found appears when i try to install TorK [05:46] -current changelog says that bash-completion is rebuilt, but I can't find it in any mirror, anyone had a better luck? [05:46] Azeotrope: TorK is kde3 only, use vidalia [05:47] nessundorma: yes [05:47] nessundorma: yes [05:47] pprkut: pfff... can't i use kde3 apps? [05:47] vidalia is not so good [05:48] you can, but it's a PITA [05:48] ok, where? ;P [05:48] slackware.at [05:49] thanks [05:49] nessundorma: wait a bit, mirrors are probably not updated yet [05:49] ok ^^ [05:49] Camarade_Tux: yes, but I found everything else, so... [05:50] oh, right, a bit weird, maybe the mirrors weren't updating extra/ ? [05:50] Axius (~fd@109.97.41.1) joined ##slackware. [05:51] more like they havent fully synced yet [05:51] Camarade_Tux: what about conky? what error is that? [05:52] Azeotrope: how many times did you try to compile it? I mean, did it fail only once or more than that? also, do you have free space left on your disk? [05:52] sahko: yeah, probably [05:52] I'd better get drunk and go back to bed, it's only 11:54*a*m though... [05:54] Camarade_Tux: yea, i tried it many times and i do have space [05:54] Guys, what happens if I disable /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap, will keymaps still work if the hal-policy is configured? [05:54] Bassist: iirc rc.keymap is for console [05:54] I mean, the linux terminal, outside of X [05:55] i dont even have an rc.keymap. which package has it? [05:55] Oh ok [05:55] Azeotrope: are you on slackware64? ran the slackbuild with ARCH=x86_64? can you pastebin the full output of the compilation process, [05:55] Still have this stupid problem with layouts [05:55] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:55] sahko: none, it's created at install if you select a non-default keymap [05:55] It worked before I did this huge update :( [05:55] oh, right [05:56] Bassist: from this week? you're using lxde? maybe it needs an update [05:56] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:56] LXDE works fine, I just seem to have lost an old configuration that handled my layouts [05:58] Camarade_Tux: http://pastebin.org/102166 [05:58] brb [05:58] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:58] Azeotrope: so it's working? [05:59] or should I append http://pastebin.org/102162 to your last pastebin? [05:59] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [06:00] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:00] Camarade_Tux: for some reason my paste wasn't full [06:00] http://pastebin.org/102167 [06:00] that's the rest of it [06:01] Alright, plan B.. How do I generate an xorg.conf from my current settings? [06:03] Found it [06:04] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:04] Azeotrope: I don't really get it: it complains about conky-top.o but it doesn't seem to create it [06:04] Azeotrope: btw, do you have /tmp/txz/conky-1.7.2/src/conky-top.o ? [06:05] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [06:07] Camarade_Tux: yes, i do [06:08] nvision (~nvision@dslb-088-071-059-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] can you run 'file /tmp/txz/conky-1.7.2/src/conky-top.o'? [06:09] Camarade_Tux: i did a rm -rf on the tmp/txz/concky dir and it worked now [06:09] thanks [06:09] ok, good [06:09] Now i just have to find conky [06:09] maybe the slackbuild wasn't rm'ing it [06:10] Where can I find a tutorial to setup my internet connection? [06:10] seems it does [06:10] Action: alreadygone is downloading Conky [06:11] How do i start it [06:12] 'conky' [06:12] needs a config file for which you'll find the documentation on the internet (I made my config with examples more than with the doc though� [06:12] s/�/)/ [06:12] http://pastebin.org/102170 [06:17] and don't run as root [06:17] create a .conkyrc~ : see http://conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html [06:18] Camarade_Tux, I got error while compiling Conky 1.7.2 with the SB package script: http://www.pastie.org/857013 [06:19] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.25.117) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Axius (~fd@109.97.41.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:20] alreadygone: edit the slackbuilds and right before the ./configure line, add [06:20] Camarade_Tux: where do zou put the conkyrc? [06:20] LDFLAGS="-lm" \ [06:20] (like for cflags) [06:20] ok [06:20] could take an upstream fix [06:21] I have to learn if there's a way for a library to force linking with another one too (for static linking), if anyone knows... [06:21] Azeotrope: ~/.conkyrc [06:22] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:22] it worked \o/ ... package created [06:22] thanks a lot Camarade_Tux :) [06:23] Camarade_Tux: ok. thanks [06:23] alreadygone: =) [06:24] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [06:24] :) time to read documentation [06:25] Axius (~fd@109.97.41.1) joined ##slackware. [06:32] Axius: the slackbook might be a good resource [06:33] sahko: ok. [06:35] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] Camarade_Tux, conky starts up fine, but if I click anywhere on the desktop it disappears. task manager says it is still running. I am on XFCE. [06:36] alreadygone: read the conky faq :-) [06:36] theres a conky setting to change that [06:36] they're both fighting over the desktop [06:36] hmm ok [06:36] thanks [06:38] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5EF4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:40] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E5EF4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] does lspci list pcmcia devices? [06:41] what would lspcmcia be needed for then? [06:41] nvision (~nvision@dslb-088-071-059-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:42] :D [06:42] lspcmcia [06:43] no, you're not meant to type it on irc xD [06:44] hehe [06:46] fixed conky issue :) [06:48] Pavlz (~kvirc@unaffiliated/pavlz) joined ##slackware. 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[07:01] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d86ae3e.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:02] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:03] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [07:06] Axius (~fd@109.97.41.1) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:08] alreadygone: btw, you changed the conky slackbuild to point to a more recent version, right? [07:08] yes [07:08] :) conky is awesome [07:08] no need for gkrellm now [07:09] looks really cool with transparency [07:09] yht (~yht@114.123.204.250) joined ##slackware. [07:14] alreadygone: a conky screenshot http://imagebin.org/87755 [07:15] very cool :) [07:15] yeah it is a great app. [07:15] Nick change: Sisyphos -> axelpalm [07:16] what is the name of your weather applet? [07:17] that's an adesklet, weatherforecast-0.2.2 [07:17] Action: alreadygone is Googling adesklet, weatherforecast-0.2.2 [07:18]