[00:00] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:00] i have to watch that now [00:00] i was thinking about seeing it, but i got no weed [00:00] Action: toastytoast wonders if it's on hulu [00:02] I'm a boat! [00:02] >.> [00:02] Action: nille_ runs to smoke [00:02] Action: nille_ load tha canon [00:02] lol [00:02] Action: nille_ BOOOM [00:02] grazymax (n=grazymax@host223-27-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:03] Action: edman007 hits nille_ with a one eyed purple people eater [00:03] s/eyed/eyed flying/ [00:05] you know whats interesting to read about if your in to religion ... go read up on the church of the flying spegetti monster [00:05] i thought about joining it [00:05] just to be like ... well ya, my god's the flying spegetti monster! [00:05] SO HA! [00:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHY8NKj3RKs [00:06] if they made a minesweeper movie [00:06] i would actually go to see it [00:07] Action: edman007 gives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVbGnspgy_8 [00:07] grazymax (n=grazymax@host24-157-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:08] i heard thet on dr demento liek 5 yrs ago and was like OMG THAT SONG IS TEH SHIT [00:08] yea...its old [00:08] June of 1958 [00:09] its still good tho [00:09] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "." [00:11] toastytoast, and i remember the song from Lamb Chop's Play-Along [00:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:16] this is the song that never ends? [00:16] it goes on and on my friends [00:16] but then the show is over and the song ends [00:16] Channel flood from toastytoast -- kicking [00:16] alwayses pissed me off [00:16] irony at its best :P [00:16] lol [00:16] toastytoast, you didn't finish the song [00:16] you didn't finish it either [00:16] toastytoast kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:16] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] wtf :( it hqates me [00:17] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:17] a delayed kick. :P [00:17] they should have used a hammer [00:18] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] omg hax [00:19] toastytoast, you were thinking too fast [00:19] that never happens to me [00:19] cmk_zzz, maybe you are just slow [00:19] well i'm a slow typer [00:20] and i don't abuse the enter key [00:20] http://www.encircling.us/photoplog/file.php?n=577&w=l [00:20] edman007 I am afraid so. [00:21] http://www.omgpwned.net/media/owned/scared_baby.png [00:21] toastytoast, did you ever bother to check if the server allowed h4x? [00:21] kiraa (n=kiraa@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [00:21] i find its very fun to play on servers and allow most h4x (except god mode) [00:21] no i jsut h4x around the no h4x filters [00:22] and the other link is not really loading... [00:22] so you haz been pwnt [00:23] haz i? [00:23] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [00:24] http://pw0nd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/giraffe-500x400.jpg [00:24] <-- slackboy has kicked toastytoast from ##slackware (flood) [00:24] pwnt ^ [00:24] i see now [00:24] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@72.20.48.65) joined ##slackware. [00:24] pwnt, like this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI [00:25] you know tho i think that song isn't half bad [00:25] lol [00:25] not the best but not bad [00:25] you sing it in the shower huh? [00:25] dance to it [00:26] no no [00:26] it jsut isn't a bad song [00:26] SCIM (the input method) does not work for me. when i left click on its icon, no language option show. did i miss sth, install utf8 support for slackware maybe? [00:27] Action: dartmouth just read up about two pages and has an overwhelming urge to make toastytoast into soggytoast [00:27] Action: edman007 bites dartmouth [00:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpnUbF2nnrA&feature=player_embedded [00:27] dartmouth, you iz undercooked [00:28] nille_, now that just looks like a waste of money... [00:28] yes but it works in Linux :p [00:28] I will be billing you for forcing me to read your degredative, sacrilegious misuse of the English language. [00:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI grr i need an proxy to see that one :( [00:29] dartmouth, that is fine, i will bill you a processing fee and for the right to read my wordz [00:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEU391osQC8&feature=related [00:29] not you edman007 lol [00:29] dartmouth, thats ok, i'll still bill you [00:29] i'm poor [00:29] hah [00:29] nille_, its ok [00:30] what country are you in? i bet a can find one for you [00:30] sweden [00:30] http://tinyurl.com/2tcnbl [00:31] that one should work ;) [00:31] links to a non-youtube site hosting it [00:31] copland-leopard (n=copland-@c-71-203-34-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] works :) [00:32] :) [00:33] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:34] boy is it quiet in here tonight [00:34] hey copland-leopard. How are you? [00:34] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:34] bored. slackware 3.5 and vmware dont mix well [00:35] grazymax (n=grazymax@host24-157-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:35] then install it on virtual box [00:35] It wasn't quite a few minutes ago, but now it quieted down. [00:35] s/quite/quiet [00:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] But actually helping people with slackware issues or just the normal bs. [00:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:36] It seems like not too many need help as much any more [00:36] then how bout some black metal [00:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0bIQyMsK9Q [00:36] That's cuz we're all slacker geniuses. :P [00:37] SCIM (the input method) does not work for me. when i left click on its icon, no language option show. did i miss sth, install utf8 support for slackware maybe? [00:38] i don't know [00:38] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:39] to be honest i'm not even sure what you are talking about and to lazy to think about it long enough to figure it out [00:39] at least your honest. :) [00:39] i am indeed [00:41] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [00:41] http://pw0nd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/global_warming.jpg [00:42] Action: toastytoast face palms btw [00:42] hahahaha, nice plan. don't they realize where the water eventually goes when it's poured down the sink. [00:44] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [00:44] firebird619, like it even matters where it goes... [00:44] i guess not [00:45] Action: edman007 does the math to prove it [00:45] edman007: good point. :) go do your math. [00:46] Do the Math! [00:46] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.68) left irc: "leaving" [00:46] hey superGear. How's it going? [00:49] grazymax (n=grazymax@host29-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:50] lets see, the oceans have an area of 361 million square kilometers, and lets say we want to lower the water level by one inch..so..every person on earth would need to move over 9 million liters of water [00:50] Action: edman007 hands superGear the numbers [00:51] wow, you did the math. [00:51] http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E9EA5B93E39DEA39 [00:51] In Soviet Russia water level lowers YOU! [00:51] ha ha ha [00:51] I love these type of video's. That guy has a ton of good playlists if anyone is interested. [00:52] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] wb dartmouth [00:52] toastytoast: OMG, that's a great link! hahaha. [00:52] agentc0re, my intertubes is too slow to watch youtube just to watch it... [00:52] i usually have to wait 2-3 times the length of the video for the buffering [00:53] edman007: These are very much worth the wait if you are into space and planets etc. etc. [00:53] wiredforgood (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-134-105.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:53] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: [00:53] xdan779 (n=daniel@64-233-207-75.static.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving." [00:55] hm [00:55] edman007: dont you sleep ever? [00:55] god >.> [00:55] me? sleep? [00:55] i don't understand! [00:56] does not cumput? [00:56] comput* [00:56] compute* [00:56] fail [00:56] i should prolly go to sleep [00:56] Action: edman007 hands toastytoast a crumpet [00:57] Action: toastytoast crumpet that like a cookie? [00:57] PaddyMac1 (n=Pat@dialup-4.153.200.32.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:57] gah [00:57] why did i /me? [00:57] yeah later i need sleep before my head asplodes [00:57] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:58] quiter... [00:58] Action: cmk_zzz notes that sleep deprivation makes lousy spellers [00:59] heh, ya i would agree with that. [00:59] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-23-100-121.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Action: edman007 tries to get homework done [01:00] I thought you were about to graduate? You can skip the homework from now on [01:01] edman007: then /part :P [01:02] agentc0re, i don't understand [01:02] cmk_zzz, final project thingy... [01:02] i'm suppose to be doing it... [01:03] bah! that's just for show. Go out and drink some beer instead. I am sure you'll be fine [01:04] stillborn (n=blow_my_@KMDCCXCI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [01:04] no, rather drunk i guess [01:05] see the thing is i'm doing it, but its a group thing, so its me and some girl...and she is hot...and so i've been working together with her on it....lol, i don't get much done trying to "work" with her [01:05] well i guess i need to watch a movie and sleep to. [01:05] WTF! http://failblog.org/2009/05/03/parenting-fail-9/ [01:05] edman007: lol [01:05] Idiocracy here we come! YEY!! [01:06] agentc0re, lol [01:06] cute child, can i play with mummy [01:07] gnight i'm off [01:07] good night nille_ [01:07] nille_, quiter [01:07] copland-leopard (n=copland-@c-71-203-34-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: [01:07] lol whats your time edman007? [01:08] 01:02 AM [01:08] for edman007 [01:08] 00:02 for me for me [01:08] 7:07 [01:08] for me [01:08] nille_: I thought you were in Sweden? It's about 7am there now. Abd you are watching a movie and going to sleep? [01:08] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:08] *and [01:09] yes thats right [01:09] cmk_zzz: he just said what time it was. :P 7:07. [01:09] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] GMT+2,nille_ [01:09] firebird619: I saw that, but by then I had already started to type my question and I did not want to change my mind [01:10] haha [01:10] That's why I never get kicked for flooding. [01:10] well i'm off c ya [01:10] take care,nille_ [01:10] hej d[ [01:10] later nille_ [01:12] hej då cmk_zzz (Martin your name sounds swedish) [01:12] it is [01:12] and so am I [01:12] MLanden: GMT-5 here. [01:12] and your in new zeeland [01:12] correct [01:12] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:12] GMT-4 here [01:13] nille_: what language was that? [01:13] well you couldn't be much further away [01:13] swedish hej då = good bye [01:13] no, I guess not, but at least I am on the north island, so if I wanted I could get further away from you [01:14] nille_: Ah ok, I thought it was. I'm part Scandenavian. How do you say hello in swedish? [01:14] hej [01:14] Hej [01:14] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-23-100-121.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:14] nille_: I am glad to see I am not the only one with weird sleeping patterns :) [01:14] nille_: Ok, thanks. [01:15] well i can never fall a sleep and it has wrecked alot of releationships [01:15] hey BP{k}. How are you? [01:15] i got to sleep when i'm tired and wake up when my body says gtfu [01:15] i'm off take 3 [01:15] antiwire: If I did that, I'd never go to sleep, I never feel tired. [01:16] nille_: ok, later. [01:16] later [01:16] i want vnstat to update its data every 5 minutes. how to do that? [01:17] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@YKCXVIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] I use zsh and one of the built-in themes. When I open the terminal each time, I get this: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13353 Any ideas? [01:19] later,folks...good luck in all life's endeavors..:D [01:19] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-79-151.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:19] Thursap: tried reading the man pages for help? [01:20] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [01:20] hi there !! [01:20] hello AbsTradELic [01:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] hello firebird619 [01:21] how long we will have new xorg releases into current ? [01:22] Well, I can't answer that, but I'm sure someone else here will be able to. [01:22] fooooreeevvveeeeerrr [01:22] there's the answer. :) [01:23] firebird619: man page contain nothing about that. in other distros, vnstat seems to update its data every 5 minutes. but in slack i've installed it for nearly 2 hours, it still said "Not enough data available yet" [01:23] (smiles) [01:23] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [01:23] AbsTradELic: I think I heard that Pat was gonna hold of probably until next release before upgrading Xorg. [01:23] Thursap: looks like most people set up a cron job to keep it updated and set the cron job for however often you want it updated. [01:24] Thursap: what do you have in crontab? [01:24] (although admittedly it seems that vnstat-1.7 can run in deamon mode. I need to write an rc.vnstat for that. [01:24] Action: BP{k} updates his todolist [01:25] BP{k}: that todo list getting long? [01:25] morning :) [01:25] firebird619: it's the self replicating todo list of Doom! [01:25] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:25] good morning Camarade_Tux. How are you? [01:25] BP{k}: Oh no, it's stuck in a loop? [01:25] firebird619: sometimes feels like it :) [01:25] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:26] firebird619, marvellous, I slept for more than 8 hours, that's a record ! ;p [01:26] and how are you ? [01:26] BP{k}: X11R7.5 ? [01:26] Action: firebird619 adds "write a script to end the loop" to BP{k}'s todo list. [01:26] Camarade_Tux: doing very well, thank you. [01:28] firebird619: echo "0 0 1 * * del /home/michiel/.todo" >> /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root" [01:28] Tyrael (n=bart@212.187.2.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:29] lol [01:29] BP{k}: check that off the todo list. :P [01:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host29-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [01:30] you lazy butthead we know better than that. you're both far too lazy to maintain your cron. [01:30] this reminds me i need to set up some kind of planner in kde4 [01:30] that pops up and makes me do things [01:30] is there a really annoying planner in kde4? [01:30] has anyone of you chaps used DRDB? and if so, is it robust and stable? [01:31] darkmouth: The best annoying planner is a wife [01:31] grazymax (n=grazymax@host10-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:31] cmk_zzz: I was gonna say "check kde-apps.org" but I can't top your remark. touche :) [01:31] but I don't know if kde supplies one [01:32] cmk_zzz: yeah, well, mine is out stuffing a thanksgiving turkey with the men on patrol for our local coast guard branch. I am going to have to settle for a desktop application. [01:32] well, talking about annoying planners, mine just called and I need to pick her up from work, so I guess I see you later (scary timing eh?) [01:33] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [01:35] good evening slackers. Who here is using xfce4 ? [01:36] [fglrx:firegl_find_any_map] *ERROR* Invalid map handle!<3>[fglrx:drm_vm_open] *ERROR* map not found -> inconsistent kernel data!!! vma_start:0xb490d000,handle:0xe4f45000 <-- does anyone have a 'definitive' answer for fixing this in dmesg? there's no absolutely certain determination for the cause of the prob i can find on google [01:36] slackmagic: i do [01:36] well not at the moment but until a day or two ago i used it exclusively [01:37] dartmouth: ok, so i set up this old system for a friend of mine. He takes it home, the first day he plays with it he says the panels dissappeared. I'm wondering now, is there some kind of keyshortcut binding that simply takes off both/all panels in xfce ? I don't know what he did, he said he just turned it on and the panels dissappeared. He still has all icons on the desktop, can still right click on em to get the right-click menu etc, ju [01:38] he has never used linux before, but he's eager to learn I must admit [01:38] slackmagic: not anymore :) [01:38] Hi slackmagic, how are you? [01:38] firebird619: sup mate, you doing allright this evening? [01:38] slackmagic: yes, doing very well, thank you. [01:39] I'm using xfce 4.6.1, rworkman's packages. [01:39] slackmagic: his panel probably just crashed [01:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:39] Did he restart, were the panels still gone? [01:39] if they're not ever there anymore then that's good, just create new panels [01:39] what makes xfce so great is that it's so customizable [01:39] have him find a seetup that works for him, and the next time you see his desktop it'll be alien to you but work great for him. [01:39] he did restart yep, said the panels do not come back. He clicked all over the place just to see if he can get them back..but no options for that though he said [01:40] dartmouth: usually you need to right click on a panel to create another one. Is there another way? [01:40] yeah just have him go into the xfce panel [01:40] xfce4-settings-manager [01:40] you should be able to create one from there [01:41] oh yeah, duh. forgot about that. [01:41] :P [01:41] dartmouth: ok, i'll have him do that..uhm, now once he has it set up as he likes it; anyway to back it up so he can easily restore them at any time? [01:41] uhhh [01:41] yeah i think [01:41] i cannot figure out for the life of me how to allow java [01:42] backup the directories xfce saves it's config to. ~/.config and some stuff's in ~/.local as well. [01:42] i was on facebook and clicked "no" to allowing java, but now I can't figure out how to go back and tell it "yes" [01:42] TwinReverb: what browser? [01:42] firefox [01:43] i tried dumping the entire ~/.mozilla directory but the problem persists [01:44] Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> Enable Java. [01:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:45] to be honest if you're making a box for someone else and they're not interested in learning anything themselves i'd just make it where they can't edit the session [01:45] java is enabled [01:45] firebird619: k thanks. I almost feel ashamed that I've never really played with xfce. Have always been a fluxer, so I couldn't even tell him how to solve this problem when he asked me at work today rofl. [01:45] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:46] :). I like fluxbox too, but prefer xfce. [01:46] i prefered xfce until i got settled into kde4 [01:46] TwinReverb: was it facebook that asked about java, or firefox? [01:46] it was a java popup [01:47] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] kde4 still has issues that are simple yet annoying [01:47] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [01:47] like asking every time an email is sent (say you have 3 in your outbox, you get asked the password 3 times) [01:47] dartmouth: yeah I see your point, but since I wanted him to have the freedom to just screw around and play with xfce to get used to it, I didn't want to do that. Worst case scenario really is create another user account and have him start from scratch. Nothing bad about that really [01:47] guess I'll be late today too ='( [01:47] like kde3 before it, dirmgr crashes or hangs trying to verify the signature on an email from someone at a .mil address [01:47] TwinReverb: Try going to tools and then Clear Private Data, make sure cache and cookies are checked. [01:48] firebird619, dude i totally dumped ~/.mozilla with firefox closed, it should be gone. [01:48] superGear (i=1000@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:48] or should have been (past tense) [01:48] dartmouth: If this person wants to learn, the worst you can do is lock everything down. [01:48] slackmagic: if you want to really get the most out of xfce i'd hook him up with ion3 and have him grab the pieces he wants ;) [01:48] firebird619, not necessarily. some people end up accidentally deleting things that they need, hence they have to reinstall [01:49] TwinReverb: Yes, I know, but I suggested that because maybe firefox maybe stores cookies, etc. somewhere other than ~/.mozilla. I don't use FF, so I don't know where it stores things. [01:49] locking down, say, a user to the user group would be smart (i.e. not giving them root) [01:49] we protect you by securing you in a "room" :D [01:49] gday all [01:49] hey aperturefever. How are you? [01:49] good good firebird619 :) [01:50] TwinReverb: I see your point, but sometimes the way to learn is by messing up. [01:50] and sometimes it is not [01:50] true [01:50] i see a day in the future where i rent computers to people. 'get your powerful linux desktop', but the os is remotely loaded from my machine, and none of them have root. [01:50] I guess alot depends on the person to, if they'll be prone to continuously shoot themselves in the foot. [01:50] dartmouth: hehe [01:50] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] s/to/too [01:51] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [01:52] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:52] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:53] I want a desktop that reminds me of quake. all my desktop icons are like little glyphs floating and spinning and im in 1st person view mode and have to walk over them to access them, i hit a panel on the wall to ssh, i hit escape for options, installing and running new software is like modding [01:54] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] someone shells in, and i see a shadowy figure walk across the hallway in the distance [01:55] it could be done. [01:55] chuc (n=bean@72.13.209.81) joined ##slackware. [01:55] i want the computers that were used in 'quantum of solace' [01:55] no idea what that is [01:56] in any case i've totally got the batcave computer thing down [01:56] firebird619, i'm prone to shooting myself in the foot and had to just learn not to [02:00] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) joined ##slackware. [02:01] goatdog (n=goatdog@tn-74-4-34-143.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:02] wow hay TwinReverb [02:02] long time no see [02:02] lol [02:03] yeah it's been a while [02:03] yagh [02:03] i've been off irc for ages :( [02:03] i'm backs now tho [02:04] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:04] dartmouth: i think i ve seen somewhere a fps window manager or it was file manager.. cant recall [02:05] aperturefever: if you find that somewhere please pm me a link as i'd love to show it off to people. [02:05] i've been asking for one for years now lol [02:05] lol ok [02:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:08] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427949.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:09] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [02:09] system/fglrx-driver: Removed - this won't compile on 12.2. [02:09] why is this so? [02:10] oh the older version will compile, okay. [02:13] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] grazymax (n=grazymax@host10-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:18] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-153-156.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] grazymax (n=grazymax@host232-54-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:24] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:24] greetings [02:25] yahsu, The-Croupier [02:25] Hello The-Croupier. How are you? [02:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:27] great...today im on my slacklaptop yeye [02:27] cool [02:27] greetings antler,firebird619 [02:28] quick question..slackpkg upgrade-all... looks like it updates all the pkgs that i have installed..am i right? [02:28] yes, if there's updates available for them. [02:29] it updates all the packages that were marked in the manifest for update the last time you ran slackpkg update [02:29] there are 2 or three [02:29] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-129-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:29] gooph: i run slackpkg update just now [02:29] ;) [02:29] bbl [02:29] well...there you go :) [02:30] And it also installs any of the removed packages from a full installation if there are any? just syncs with the repository, afaik? [02:30] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:30] cool. ;) that is good..that means i dont have much missing than [02:30] ;) [02:31] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:43] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [02:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [02:45] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [02:48] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:53] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] hi all [02:56] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:57] redtricycle, hey [02:58] grazymax (n=grazymax@host232-54-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [02:58] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:59] grazymax (n=grazymax@host123-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:59] a good (that gets updated very often) mirror for slackpkg.. [03:00] when I compile a soft, must I be root? [03:00] zxh: sometimes ;) [03:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427949.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:01] zxh: it depends on a number of things but usually you can run make as a user but make install usually requires root [03:01] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Ficthe (n=grieve@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:04] alternatively you can use fakeroot. but slackware doesnt use it by default, nor has a package for it [03:04] chuc (n=bean@72.13.209.81) left irc: "leaving" [03:07] when I run make, should I be root? [03:07] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] not necessarily [03:09] I use zsh and one of the built-in themes. When I open the terminal each time, I get this: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13353 Any ideas? [03:10] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] firebird619: do you have autoload -U promptinit in some zsh config file? [03:11] sahko: yes, in ~/.zshrc [03:11] & promptinit too [03:11] antiwire: I just tried compat-wireless-05-06 and hostapd-0.6.8 as someone posted success with this combination...same segfault. [03:11] sahko: yes, and then prompt elite2 red [03:11] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [03:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:12] injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown. [03:12] `marc_ (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] chopp: dang [03:12] Nick change: `marc_ -> _marc` [03:12] hmm, sorry then i dont use a custom prompt. mine looks like a bash one [03:12] ask in #zsh [03:13] sahko: ok, thanks. [03:15] guys i just did /ignore slackware quits joins but i still see them in the channel..did i miss something in that? [03:16] ./save? [03:16] The-Croupier: what are you trying to do exactly? irssi? [03:16] firebird619: yes [03:16] The-Croupier: and you want to not see joins, quits, at all? [03:16] i dont want to see all the joins and quits..cas there are lots [03:16] yes... [03:17] i have that enabled for like ever [03:17] Ok, you don't use ignore for that. [03:17] shit [03:17] firebird619: ! [03:17] first do this: "/set window_check_level_first OFF" [03:18] firebird619: ok... [03:18] then "/window level ALL -JOINS -QUITS" [03:18] i put every important file i have in one directory temporarily to reorganize, and I accidentally did rm -r on that dir instead of the one i was cleaning out, im on ext3, what is the suggested recovery solution? I stopped the rm process before it finished but i know it hit some of that dir [03:18] firebird619: is that in the slackware window..or in the info one? [03:18] -PARTS too perhaps [03:18] The-Croupier: then, do you want that to stick across all windows. [03:18] dartmouth: alias rm='rm -i' [03:18] firebird619: yes [03:18] The-Croupier: do those in whatever window you want to remove joins and quits from. [03:19] chopp: yes, good idea. [03:19] So add -PARTS to that second command The-Croupier [03:19] yeah i know it was stupid but can't afford to lose this one the hard way; i've got court documents in there. [03:19] is there a 'suggested' recovery tool for ext3? [03:19] i saw an undelete option in mc yesterday but said only to work with ext2fs [03:19] turn off the system immediately [03:19] firebird619: thanks ..hope it works..cos sometimes..it doesnt.. [03:20] The-Croupier: also, leave out the quotes, I put them there because otherwise it will actually execute that command. [03:20] http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html [03:20] ok, after those two, do this: [03:20] firebird619: yep..;) no worries [03:20] image the disk and start working on and offline image or at least save an image somewhere safe and work on the disk itself [03:20] stop writing to the disk though right now! [03:21] The-Croupier: "/set window_default_level MSGS PUBLICS NOTICES CTCPS ACTIONS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTCRAP" [03:21] firebird619: yep..;) [03:21] The-Croupier: That will set it so that it leaves out joins, parts, quits all the time, not just while you have irssi open now. [03:22] firebird619: there is a way to same all this.. /save right? [03:22] The-Croupier: then run "/set window_check_level_first ON" [03:22] The-Croupier: yes, after you run those commands, run /save [03:23] firebird619: thanks ;) appreciate it..;) [03:23] The-Croupier: yw. [03:26] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [03:26] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:27] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:28] firebird619: have you seen nullboy around? [03:29] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host16-118-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:29] The-Croupier: no, haven't seen him. chopp said the other day he spoke with nullboy and that he was bummed, but doing ok. [03:30] firebird619: i see..:( [03:30] hrrr [03:31] Hey Urchlay. [03:31] hola [03:31] firebird619: also... ousol.something.com mirror for updates? [03:31] hiya Urchlay [03:31] ;) [03:31] can one remember the correct one? [03:32] The-Croupier: I uses http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2 [03:32] s/uses/use [03:32] The-Croupier: why you pompous little.... no, one cannot remember. [03:32] there was a program you could put on a usb drive that printed all the deleted files in red [03:32] if i remember right [03:32] hey antler. [03:32] and you hit enter and it copies it over to where its supposed to be [03:32] hey firebird619 :) [03:33] does anyone remember? [03:33] can he really be *that* upset over a single date gone wrong? [03:33] photorec works good for recovery. get a System Rescue CD, load it up and try. [03:33] Urchlay: were you the one the other day wondering about shred and shredding an entire partition. [03:33] yeah [03:33] you tried it? [03:34] It is possible, shred -znX /dev/device. X being number of passes you want. [03:34] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:34] I came across that on the net today. [03:34] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:34] dartmouth: you could also check out ext3grep http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html [03:34] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.23) joined ##slackware. [03:34] hdparm --security-help and specifically --security-erase [03:34] eh, looks like the -z doesn't have anything to do with whether it's a device or not [03:35] that is the best known method so far [03:35] just plain "shred /dev/hdX" would work in that case [03:35] Urchlay: yeah, the -z is for writing zeros to the drive. [03:35] hdparm --security-erase does a physical trick where it offsets writes in the track by a few %'s of position [03:36] and -n to specify number of passes. [03:36] antiwire: neat trick [03:36] neat trick indeed, I didn't know about that. [03:37] I am compiling libsigc++, after I run make, it output some error? can anybody help me? pastebin.com/m3cdd9b74 [03:37] antiwire: how long would that take, say, with a 500gb partition? [03:37] that will prevent magentoscope reading [03:37] antler: no idea [03:37] I am compiling libsigc++, after I run make, it output some error? can anybody help me? pastebin.com/m3cdd9b74 [03:39] Don't ask your question more than once yo [03:39] If people know they will help you [03:39] firebird619: freebsd is good for you so far? [03:40] antler: No, mouse won't work. :( [03:41] does the keyboard? [03:41] (in x) [03:41] yeah [03:41] sysmouse [03:41] you got a special kind of mouse or smthin? [03:42] hrrr [03:42] no, nothing special really. I use the mouse that came with my wireless keyboard. Microsoft Wireless Comfort 4000. [03:43] OK, firefox is pretty good at saving its window/tab state and restoring it if it crashes [03:43] grazymax (n=grazymax@host123-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:43] firefox is da best IMO [03:43] if? its a matter of *when* it crashes [03:43] tho i like seamonkey too [03:43] is there a way to save the current windows/tabs so I can exit firefox normally, but have them restored at next startup? [03:44] Urchlay: yes [03:44] exit [03:44] it's in the about:config somewhere [03:44] http://www.idquantique.com/products/quantis.htm [03:44] prowire [03:44] agh. Screw it, I'm using an impaired window manager, will hit crtl-alt-backspace [03:45] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-18.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:45] Good night boys and girls and antiwire [03:45] night superGear [03:45] superGear: what's antiwire then? :P [03:45] better [03:45] Urchlay: i *think* it's browser.startup.page user set integer 3 [03:46] I forgot how unusable the default fvwm2 config really is [03:46] grazymax (n=grazymax@host49-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:46] and I also forgot everything I used to know about configuring it :( [03:46] if only ff could make fonts look as nice as they do in opera [03:47] Opera FTW!!! [03:47] eh, they don't look *hideous* in ff though [03:47] antler: Opera makes saving sessions easier too. :) [03:48] well, I poked my head out of wmaker, but I didn't see my shadow, so we get 6 more months of me using windowmaker I gues [03:48] firebird619: yeah, opera's nice. i would use it over ff, if hotmail.com worked most, if not all, the time [03:48] what doesn't work with hotmail? [03:48] no, photorec was not it. the one i used before restored filenames as well [03:48] antler: I've been working with the latest opera 10 snapshot too. [03:48] firebird619: for me, hotmail.com doesn't work well using opera [03:49] I bet it'll work better in 10, their making alot of things work that didn't before. [03:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [03:49] firebird619: hm might give it another go, then :) [03:50] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:50] antler: Opera 10 isn't released yet. It's in alpha, but really stable in my experience with it. [03:51] on a decent machine, i can see no good reason why anyone would chose fvwm2 or anything remotely close to it [03:51] antler: well I was going for a minimalist approach [03:52] Urchlay: you mean you were going for the wasted potential effect? :P [03:52] lol [03:52] eh? no, I was going for "don't use a ton of memory and CPU for such a simple task as window management" [03:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [03:53] use fluxbox. :P [03:53] save the memory/CPU for actual application [03:53] xfce is also nice [03:53] fluxbox... is one of those "tiling" window managers? [03:53] no [03:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:53] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:53] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.73) joined ##slackware. [03:53] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:53] No, fluxbox is really nice. Takes a bit to get it configured to how you want, but nice in the end. [03:54] heh. That's what I remember about fvwm2, also. But I've apparently lost my old config files and don't feel like dorking with it any more [03:54] It's a simple window manager, one of the smpler ones. *you* still get to tile windows, in twm's, arrangement of windows isn't up to you [03:54] I don't want 'em tiles [03:54] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [03:54] d [03:54] or even overlapping [03:56] I've got 3 virtual desktops in wmaker, each one has an xterm in the same place, at the same size (2/3 as wide as the screen and the full height), and a 4th desktop that's fullscreen firefox [03:56] Urchlay: If you want ff to have your tabs, etc. from the previous time do: Edit, Preferences, Main, "When Firefox starts:" and choose, Show my windows and tabs from last time. [03:56] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:57] and 2 sticky xterms that are 1/3 the screen width, that appear on all 4 desktops (those 2 do overlap, but they're the same size & position, so only one's visible at a time) [03:57] heh when i had an manual rx-7, no power windows, seats, etc., i thought, "good. put the power that would've been used for all that into the engine." when i drove my first luxury sedan, i thought, "screw the rx-7 i had" [03:57] antler: you were also right about browser-startup-page. What I just said above is another way to change it. [03:58] antler: I am apparently GUI-impaired. I've tried windows, mac os x, kde, and gnome... and it all feels like it's getting in my way [03:58] err s/-/. [03:58] Urchlay: drop to cli, forget X. :P [03:58] not saying fancy GUIs are necessarily a bad thing, saying I suck so bad at using them that I'm better off with a minimal setup [03:59] firebird619: but I likes me my firefox. Name a CLI browser that can play youtube videos... [03:59] I can't. [03:59] me either, and if there were one I'd probably know about it by now :) [03:59] probably. [04:00] i thought i heard one mentioned in here; i'm pretty sure one exists [04:00] firebird619: yeah, i like opening a web browser in the same state i closed it [04:00] seriously though. I don't move my windows around or let 'em overlap. Everything's right where I expect it to be (right where I told it to be) [04:00] antler: yeah, I do too now and then anyway. [04:01] Urchlay: use awesome. :) [04:01] I normally don't want firefox to save its state, I was just looking for an easy way to save what I had right then for a quick X server restart [04:01] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:01] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:01] haha [04:02] you know whats funny [04:02] yeah, ff doesn't really have that option, opera does, File -> Sessions -> save session. [04:02] im pretty sure i had that recovery app backed up in that directory [04:02] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:02] yeah, that would be the option I'd have wanted, if only it existed... [04:02] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:02] and i dont remember what i used [04:02] ctrl-alt-backspace worked well enough though [04:02] firebird619: thanks for the uosl.com thingie ;) [04:03] Urchlay: FF did have an addon to do that, but I think it got removed or something due do ff devs adding session restore into it, but their's isn't as functional. [04:03] The-Croupier: your welcome. :) [04:03] figures [04:03] Urchlay: if you don't like overlapping windows, etc. you may just really like awesome. [04:04] Urchlay: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [04:04] firebird619: well, what I like, is for my xterms and firefox to start up when X starts, in the positions where I want 'em, and never move [04:04] you can do session restores in ff if you use the tab mix plus extension [04:04] desktop #4 is for "transient" stuff like xpdf or the gimp, stuff I'll use a while, then close [04:04] Urchlay: yeah, I think awesome may do just that. [04:05] but my xterms + ff will stay running 24/7 until X dies (or firefox does, from me having too many tabs open) [04:05] rodrigo (n=rocch@unaffiliated/notaffiliated) left irc: Client Quit [04:05] Anyway, It's 03:00 here, have to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. [04:05] "It's extremely fast, small, dynamic and heavily extensible using the Lua programming language. [04:05] I've looked at that, didn't feel like learning Lua though [04:06] Now tomorrow I'll have to install awesome, this talk's got me remember how nice it was. :P [04:06] there's a perlwm, but it's pretty lame and poorly documented [04:06] s/remember/remembering [04:06] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] Urchlay: try wmii then, or any other nice tiling window manager. But be aware, they are addictive [04:06] he doesn't like tiling. [04:06] anyway, gotta go. later Urchlay [04:06] nite dude [04:06] hmmm, too bad [04:06] see ya antler. [04:07] bye The-Croupier [04:07] I should sleep too, but probably won't for a while [04:07] haha, won't but should. [04:07] isn't that how it goes. [04:07] got blister on right index finger, guess it's time to replace crappy old bass strings [04:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:07] I would say so. :) [04:07] Hi and Bye Old_Fogie. :) [04:08] also should play at least a little every day to keep the calluses there, but I get bored playing bass by myself [04:08] yeah, but should do it anyway. [04:08] :) [04:09] too bad guitar strings don't work for maintaining bass-playing calluses [04:09] later guys. :) [04:09] Old_Fogie: :D [04:09] bb firebird619 [04:09] bye aperturefever [04:09] cause I like noodling around on a guitar, even if nobody else is there [04:09] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:12] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. 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[05:13] The-Croupier: Srsly [05:13] grazymax (n=grazymax@host37-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] Zordrak: what,and why? [05:15] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) left irc: "leaving" [05:15] Wasnt it you complaining that you were banned from bringing in a linux laptop? or was that slackytude? [05:15] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [05:16] Zordrak: ;) that doesnt mean i cannot bring it without them knowing about it ;) [05:16] i didnt get your other statements though :( [05:16] grazymax (n=grazymax@host221-153-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:17] paissad (n=paissad@72.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] if you cant use something thats faster and more efficient because your boss just says so, stand up to him or quit [05:19] hehe yeah [05:19] sticking it to the man! [05:19] that's what i did for a while [05:20] tewmten: what? stick it to the man? [05:20] now they just trust my judgement and just let me do my job [05:20] The-Croupier: it's an expression [05:20] tewmten: same here [05:20] tewmten: in fact they fired everyone else and now it's up to me to do everything and make every decision [05:20] Zordrak: and if the boss has anything behind his forehead he will see the benefits of it after some time [05:21] yeah? [05:21] yeaop. [05:21] neato [05:21] yep my boss does the same really ...he sees the benefit of it after a bit ;) [05:21] yeah i got alot more responsibility these days [05:21] tewmten: im getting more responsibility slowly though..too slow for my liking tbh [05:22] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) left irc: "leaving" [05:22] lol@ms [05:22] *sigh* i have to migrate these queries from our old database structure to our new structure [05:22] If you dont want to subwit your information, click cancel (oh and by the way you wont be allowed to download unless you submit your information) [05:23] and i didnt write the original queries, nor the database.. [05:23] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:23] so many nasty joins and stuff [05:24] grr need to go driving again, got an 1236km trip today :p [05:24] Woo! Driving! [05:24] Yay! [05:24] nille_ where are you going? [05:24] kristianstad-umeå [05:25] och tillbaka sen [05:25] wow, that's a long trip [05:25] well i got the return trip so it's realy the dubble [05:26] måste vara en tjej eller ett bra pröjsat jobb som motiverar den resan ;) [05:26] work [05:26] too bad :) [05:26] as i wrote this night i do drive alot [05:26] yeah, consultant are you? [05:27] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [05:27] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:27] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [05:27] no [05:28] svarta pengar behövs ibland [05:28] which font is best for working in console? i want to hear you advice. [05:28] Thursap: The default [05:30] aha, svart-taxi:) [05:30] Zordrak: the default font seems blurred for me. i mean the font in konsole on kde [05:30] nooper_ (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:46] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:46] Nick change: n1hub -> nlhub [05:49] trip canceled so now i can internet all day [05:49] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:51] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:53] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [05:54] kind of noob question... slackpkg updates pkgs that come with slack...what about the rest of them? [05:56] You have to take care of those yourself The-Croupier [05:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@host221-153-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:58] alienBOB: i remember that..is there a way to check from something? [05:58] alienBOB: check against ? [05:59] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:59] morning :-) [05:59] hiya macavity [06:04] whats the quality of the slackware polos of slackstore if anyone has bought one? [06:06] frullet: probably about as pedanticly chosen as everything else that is slackware :P [06:06] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:08] it better be for the price of the postage [06:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] frullet: i seriously doubt that it is of anything but excelent quality.. however, *if* it is just a regular Wall Mart polo, you will still have contributed to our beloved distro ;-) [06:09] frullet, I still wear the grey slack t-shirt bought in 1998 [06:10] eewwww..*smelly* [06:10] lulz [06:11] Strykar: what is the shirt? havnt been able to find much in the way of sizing [06:11] s/what/what size/ [06:12] I wear size 40-42 shirts and always get the Large sized tee, it's the smallest size: http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/serious?id=DChIzq4c:mv_pc=65 [06:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Old_Fogie: ellohay oldway eindfray :-) [06:14] haba haba Old_Fogie [06:15] hey macavity how are ya :) ( and hello to all too of course :) [06:15] Old_Fogie: excelent.. just upgraded to -current [06:15] Old_Fogie: and you? [06:15] oh yea? cool [06:16] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] oh well.. i've been hit by the intel/xorg bug that arises when the kernel is =< .28 and xserver > 1.5.x [06:16] macavity, just wondering here, in --current, in rc.4 do you have a line such as : /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders 2> /dev/null ? [06:16] the only problem is that i happen to be the only one who can reproduce it [06:17] that's a feature that's needed in very late gtk's, it's not in 12.1 I had to add it, but didn't know if slack --current did it or not. [06:18] no, mine just says "/usr/bin/update-gdk-pixbuf-loaders --verbose [06:18] " [06:18] ok do you have that binary tho? [06:18] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Old_Fogie: yes it's in current [06:18] the /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders ? [06:18] yes [06:18] ok then I'll send a bug into slackware then [06:18] Old_Fogie: pulled it during install-new [06:19] Old_Fogie: slackpkg update-all && slackpkg install-new [06:19] Old_Fogie: it's actually in rc.M [06:20] the call that is [06:20] oh it is there, ok then [06:20] yes, that is where it is here [06:20] good then they have it. [06:20] macavity: upgrade-all [06:20] ok, then I wont 'bug' it. [06:20] ah, yes [06:20] s/update/upgrade/ [06:20] I wanted to make sure it was there, else the gnome for slackware projects will have issues. [06:20] mib_rw36ey (i=5961e889@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ab3714df3aeaf5ed) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:20] any gnome project for any distro has issues ;-) [06:21] very true :) [06:21] macavity: what bug? (i've experienced lots o' bugs with intel/xorg too - X3100) ? :( [06:21] Old_Fogie: confused me to start with because i only did an upgrade-all and forgot the install-new.. so was bitching at me during startup [06:21] The-Croupier i use sbopkg for the rest and submit a slackbuild if there isn't one for some app. [06:21] Zordrak, ah I see [06:21] aperturefever: oh, X3100 is an entirely different beast from the GMA950 found in i945 chipsets [06:21] macavity, well between intel, and radeon driver's, I plan on staying with slack 12.1 for the unforseeable future. [06:22] macavity, so I guess I'm building slackware as I go, heh [06:22] I really don't need all this xorg madness. [06:22] Old_Fogie: i am working on a clean rebuild of the 77 packages that needs to be fixed before we can call the xorg upgrade a success :P [06:23] woohoo [06:23] Old_Fogie: find / -name "*.la" -print0 | xargs -0 grep "xcb-xlib.la" | cut -d : -f 1 | cut -d \/ -f1 --complement | grep -l-f - /var/log/packages/* | uniq | sort | cut -d \/ -f 5 [06:23] macavity, the way this is all sounding, it's not going to be 1 to 2 years til' there is some stability in the intel, radeon stack. So, I dunno looks like 12.1 will be around here for me, for quite a while. [06:24] yeah that libxcb is a pita [06:24] Old_Fogie: the output of that will show you which packages you have which will be broken once we switch to the new xcb based xorg (which is *much* faster, because it uses asynchronious I/O) [06:24] Old_Fogie: oh, and from what i read, Intel is stable.. as soon as you make it to xserver-1.6.x [06:25] well, isn't that the one in ubunut? and (assuming they did it right) from what I read, intel on ubunut is a nightmare [06:25] I read the 965 is borken [06:25] oh? well... at least i945 seems fixed :P [06:26] my buddy runs Arch, and there verything works nicely [06:26] I'll probably try fedora's next release out for the heck of it, on a cd-r/w of course, just to see if intel in their release works or not. [06:26] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] then delete the fed of course :) [06:27] to see how that new x works or doesnt [06:27] macavity isn't it an space missing in the grep -l-f ? [06:27] yes... it is going to be a nightmare to fix all of this.. and i mostly blame Intel [06:28] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:28] nille_: yes [06:29] macavity, between the move to modular xorg, and now this intel/radeon madness.. X has had some major, invasive, re-vamps in just 2/3 years. Such a pita :( [06:29] nice to hear that i'm not totally incompetent :p [06:30] nille_, that's right, your just "mostly incompetent" :) [06:30] Old_Fogie: the biggest breakage is that Intel just goes ahead and does their own stuff.. XAA->EXA->UXA and the same on the kernel front [06:30] alice_ (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:30] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] macavity, right. [06:31] Old_Fogie: i mean, it is probably good tech they are delivering, but they bloody damn need to play team wise and get the rest of the driver teams on board [06:31] then again, they must have their reasons. I doubt they're doing all of this, "just cuz" [06:31] mib_lop6jb (i=5961e889@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ebe5c5757e43a9a2) joined ##slackware. [06:32] the new GTT interface on the kernel side IS better.. but there are not enough people working on it because the other dreiver teams are far from ready to adapt it [06:32] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [06:32] macavity: that is the prime reason why Slackware's x.org has not been updated for a while. Too much is in flux and basically the only hardware that may profit was Intel for a long while. Perhaps it is stabilizing now, with the latest mesa/libdrm/x.org releases [06:32] Old_Fogie: i, in all my paranoia, think that part of the reason is that intel wants to be "The only viable option if you want fully free drivers" [06:33] after I make a software, where can I find the out file [06:33] alienBOB: i know.. *trust* me i know [06:33] I mean when compile , after make, where can I find it [06:33] alienBOB: my only sour grape is that the current situation is pretty broken for me :-/ [06:34] zxh, make only builds, you have to run "make install" ; but I really suggest you learn how to make a Slackware package, which that line would have "make install DESTDIR=/tmp/package-yourappname" [06:34] alienBOB: if i VT-switch to the real console, you will see me disconnect.... X hangs with blank screen and keyboard grapped when i VT switch back to it [06:35] macavity, ouch [06:35] zxh, and after you install to DESTDIR, you learn to strip your binaries, etc etc. [06:35] Dorian87 (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa493ccf12abdce7) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Old_Fogie: this hits certain i945/GMA950 users on all kernels =< .28 [06:36] Old_Fogie: and it does not go away before the bloody hole school bus has been dinged to maximum level :-/ [06:36] macavity, ah the oddities of software. Yes I finally realized that it was 2.6.26 series kernels that borked resizing 'xterm', you have to love learning to live with glitches [06:36] Old_Fogie: eg, latest dri2+libdrm+whatever-else-needed+xserver-1.6.1 [06:37] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [06:38] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:39] you mean make a pkg by myself? [06:39] zxh, yes [06:39] zxh: you should look over slackbook.org [06:40] zxh: or download some random script from slackbuilds.org and see how it is put together [06:40] does use make install will make it work? [06:40] I will read slackbook, [06:40] that will install something over your system that you cant remove again with removepkg [06:41] giuppy (n=giuppy@host156-162-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:41] "make install" is not really a good idea unless you really know what you are doing [06:41] giuppy (n=giuppy@79.2.162.156) joined ##slackware. [06:41] I don't know what I am doing, [06:41] read my son... read... :P [06:42] :) [06:42] thank u, [06:42] zxh, what software is it? is it possible that there is already a buildscript for it at Slackbuilds.org ? [06:42] zxh, perhaps some other Slacker already worked something up for you. [06:42] Old_Fogie++ [06:42] libtorrent [06:43] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libtorrent/ [06:43] zxh, ^^ [06:43] my system is slackware 12.0 [06:43] zxh, those are buildscripts, so be *sure* to read their FAQ. [06:43] so [06:44] macavity: your big find command will not find all packages that need a recompile though... [06:44] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=libtorrent&sv=12.0 [06:44] ok then here http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.0/libraries/libtorrent/ [06:44] zxh, ^^ [06:44] hahah, see how simple that is zxh ... why reinvent the wheel. [06:44] alienBOB: what am i missing? [06:44] thank u [06:44] Use ldd in /usr/bin to find out. [06:45] oh yes.. fsck.. all the pkg-config based packages does not get listed, only libtool creations :P [06:45] zxh, again, I reiterate, those are "scripts" that will _build_ the software, you *must* read their FAQ at their site. that is _not_ a binary site. [06:45] zxh, and all will be fine then ok? [06:45] Action: macavity slams the head into the deask repeatedly and dramatically (and expects a big applause from the audience) [06:45] uthank u [06:46] Action: Old_Fogie claps happilessly [06:46] thank u [06:46] macavity: dbus being the most painful omission I guess... [06:46] zxh, your welcome :) [06:46] alienBOB: ouch ouch ouch [06:46] >_< [06:46] objdump [06:46] thrice`: are you grokking all of this? [06:47] alienBOB: ok, i see good reasons for the reluctance to upgrade [06:48] Hermaniette (i=1000@129.16.11.72) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:53] alienBOB: uhm, it looks like a lot of that is indirect.. that is, if amarok depends on Qt, and Qt links to xcb-xlib.so, amarok gets listed as linking xcb-xlib too [06:53] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:54] macavity: using ldd you should see direct dependencies, not indirect ones like you describe [06:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:56] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: [06:56] alienBOB: i will have to look into this.. but *i think* i am correct on this, and *belive* that this is one of the side effects of object prelinking [06:56] oh fuck [06:57] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:57] alienBOB: no, you are right.. this IS what object prelinking does :-/ [06:57] alienBOB: it makes indirect dependencies direct [06:57] Action: macavity rams the head into the table again [06:58] which makes sense... Amarok does *not* call libdrm on its own... [07:00] macavity, on debian, for example, to get the depends for a binary called abiword, a command such as "objdump -p abiword | grep NEEDED | cut -d ' ' -f 9 | tee ldd.log" is used. OBJDUMP is really powerful. [07:01] macavity, there's so much to that binary, check the manpage, it has a lot to offer. [07:01] Action: macavity is on it [07:02] phew.. i am again to fast to fire :P [07:03] object prelinking does not glue xcb-lib into amarok [07:03] that command I gave you there, that gives a nice list of the lib's, and not the mem locations, and such, and thus, can be passed to scripts nicely is why I mention it. [07:04] running what I gave you does show libxcb-xlib.so.0 libxcb.so.1 both as needed [07:04] for amarok [07:06] not on -current [07:06] http://pastebin.ca/1414120 [07:06] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-201915.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "-" [07:07] there is no amarokapp in -current [07:08] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:08] macavity, probably the new version of amarok 2 series doesn't have amarokapp [07:08] right [07:08] macavity, on the older amarok, that amarokapp was the one to use for debug/use-with valgrind [07:08] i know [07:09] well, that's what it spams in console if launched. [07:09] you should see all the NEEDED I get for the older amarok here :) [07:09] Old_Fogie: if it says needed doesnt mean its not already there..it just mean thats what is needed for it to work right? [07:09] macavity, the command I gave you there, cuts out the word NEEDED and the white spaces [07:09] i know [07:09] macavity, ok [07:10] Old_Fogie: did you see my cut-fu in the above command? [07:10] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.7.65) joined ##slackware. [07:10] The-Croupier, it means the binary says it needs it, it doesnt mean those libs are in fact on the box. [07:11] Action: macavity starts hacking up a revised version that will list all packages directly dependant on libxcb-xlib [07:11] so with a | ls /var/log/packages/ on that we could see what is already on the box and eliminate ;) [07:11] The-Croupier, which from what I understand, is the limitiation of just using 'ldd' on a binary, vs using objdump ...if I read and understood the debian developers/packageing manual correctly [07:12] Old_Fogie: thanks, i think i have a nice use of that command to find out exactly what i have on the box and what is missing from lots of other stuff in there ;) [07:12] Old_Fogie: thanks [07:12] The-Croupier, in essence yes, there would be some things missed along the way tho. you need to run that on libs too, so it'd be a real chore to do that. [07:13] Old_Fogie: on the way making a script for it ;) already on the todo list ;) [07:13] The-Croupier, so for a package like amarok, you dont just run that on amarok, you have to run it on the /usr/lib/amarok. blah blah [07:13] on and on [07:13] Old_Fogie: i understand ;) [07:13] The-Croupier, there already is someting of this nature done for slackware, 'required builder' google it, you'll see. [07:13] sQuEE` (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [07:14] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Connection timed out [07:14] Old_Fogie: nice one, didnt know that... i have really serious problem remembering names ;) [07:14] thanks ill do that [07:14] but the required builder is really for hooking into slapt-get to be like debian does there, so you wont really want to use that. but you might get an idea of how 'they skinned the cat" [07:14] so as to wright the script for yourself [07:15] Old_Fogie: yep ;) that is exactly what i was thinking..but with lots of help [07:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Old_Fogie: thanks again..that saved me lots of time ;) [07:15] yw [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-186.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] "I am a 26 years old virtualization hacker" thats whats written in the whoami page of his ;) [07:17] http://stabellini.net/whoiam.html [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-248.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] he writes some good articles on slack. he had a nice one for sleeps/hibernate. [07:19] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:19] i see there are quite a few manuals,documents interesting in there ;) [07:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:19] got to go meeting with boss ;) seeya guys soon [07:20] bye The-Croupier [07:20] Old_Fogie: thanks man..really helped find some new stuff to read [07:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat079.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) joined ##slackware. [07:27] donnowhat (n=dumbo@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [07:28] ok, now xarg is being a bitch about maximum lenght.. [07:30] *xargs [07:31] morning [07:33] alice_ (i=alice@89.194.134.226) joined ##slackware. [07:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:34] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.7.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:35] kama (n=kama@87.19.135.179) joined ##slackware. [07:35] morning :-) [07:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.223.171) joined ##slackware. [07:36] i have a *weird* problem [07:36] nothin like going to the gas station at 6am to get cat food [07:37] find /usr/lib -type f -print0 | xargs -0 file | grep "shared object" | grep ELF | cut -f 1 -d : | xargs objdump -p | grepNEEDED [07:37] that produces output ^^ [07:37] interject a space after the last grep (copy paste error) [07:38] find /usr/lib -type f -print0 | xargs -0 file | grep "shared object" | grep ELF | cut -f 1 -d : | xargs objdump -p | grep NEEDED | cut -d ' ' -f 9 [07:38] however, THAT does not?!? [07:38] it only gives me a shitload of blank lines [07:38] kama (n=kama@87.19.135.179) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] Old_Fogie: you still around? :P [07:39] macavity, maybe try xargs -I % objdump -p % ? [07:40] RFIDtag (n=mike@cpe-24-160-216-194.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:40] macavity, and the same for for the other xargs [07:40] donnowhat: its the last part of the pipe construct that blows up [07:40] which one? [07:40] as i said, the first version shows output [07:40] the seccond one (and yes, i testet seperately that the cut command is right) only produces blank lines [07:41] fine. going back to the underworld [07:41] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:50] bbl [07:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:55] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:55] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] donnowhat (n=dumbo@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) joined ##slackware. [08:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:11] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.159.220) joined ##slackware. [08:12] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [08:13] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:13] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:14] alice_ (i=alice@89.194.134.226) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.92.11) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:21] macavity: why are yuo using xargs ? [08:22] macavity: find /usr/lib -type f -exec file {} \; | grep "shared .... [08:23] http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind [08:23] Floops (n=baihu@irus.balgus.info) joined ##slackware. [08:26] duryodhan: old habbit i guess :P [08:27] and makes your pipe look longer :) [08:28] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [08:28] pipes rule. such a great tool. [08:28] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [08:29] but the whole print0 and xargs -0 is a mess [08:29] ideally .. just write a script that does all taht and then find -exec script [08:33] slava_dp: oh, and you even made it rhyme :P [08:33] duryodhan: i know.. but old habits die hard you know ;-) [08:34] macavity, :D [08:34] slava_dp: i didnt know you were the resident UNIX poet :P [08:36] hasansahin (n=huseyin@78.177.225.84) joined ##slackware. [08:36] hi all [08:36] hello [08:37] very good that peoples are using slackware [08:37] :) [08:38] when only the best is good enough ;-) [08:38] i would like to understand [08:38] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.28.42) joined ##slackware. [08:39] are third party slackware 12.2 packages compatible with slackware-current? [08:39] for example : smplayer from slacky.eu [08:40] RFIDtag (n=mike@cpe-24-160-216-194.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:40] well they usually are... [08:40] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@160.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:40] hasansahin: use slackbuilds.org [08:41] they are supposed to be compiled / tested for 12.2 and / or -current [08:41] duryodhan : i dont want to build package [08:41] already there are on many sites [08:41] but usually it's better to go with a slackbuild, as duryodhan said [08:42] why better? [08:42] more control [08:42] arch? [08:42] for example, yes. and config options. [08:42] arch? what do you mean? [08:43] ok but i want to manage my all packages with slapt-get over internet [08:43] i dont want to install as manually [08:43] uhm..dont use slaptget [08:43] why buddy [08:44] because its a peice of crap and has a history of trashing installs [08:44] @straterra: i guess hge means that you can choose to which target platform you're gonna build the package to, i.e. i486, i686, x86_64... [08:44] *he [08:45] what is the best pack.man in your opinion? [08:45] the ones that ship with slackware [08:45] slackpkg [08:45] over internet? [08:47] as far as which i know, slackpkg can't packages over internet. is it correct? [08:47] Guess what?! [08:47] I got a fever! [08:48] And the only prescription is more Cowbell! [08:49] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [08:50] Hi guys. There seems to have been a boom of trouch-screen technologies. TVs, mobile phones, and tablet PCs/laptops. I assume their support is getting better - so I'm considering getting a tablet laptop (to take hand-written notes, and whatever else possible with it). Is that a wise choice, or should I wait a bit? Any idea how the Slackware support for it would be? I heard some issues about the screen not calibrating if you hold it side [08:50] ways, etc. etc. [08:50] alienBOB: ping? [08:50] touch* [08:51] Hey macavity [08:52] alienBOB: here is the revised version that takes direct dependency of libxcb-xlib.so into account [08:52] alienBOB: http://pastebin.ca/1414172 [08:52] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.154) joined ##slackware. [08:52] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [08:52] alienBOB: package count = 85 [08:53] alienBOB: dont forget to > somefile it... it is *bloody* slow... [08:54] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] and all you lazy slackers currently in here: get to work on finding my bugs :P [08:56] lol. sorry, busy making 22.50 an hour teaching german. [09:00] olefowdie, warum warum ist die banane krum? [09:00] what are you working on macavity? [09:00] agentc0re: detecting all the packages that needs to be recompiled when i upgrade xorg :-/ [09:01] And you want me to put myself through the same hell? ;) [09:01] no, i just want you to check my script for errors :P [09:02] agentc0re: http://pastebin.ca/1414172 [09:02] OBSERVE: This script takes a bloody long time to finish.... LOL [09:03] agentc0re: just so people dont think it hung [09:04] You want me to test it out on my machine? I am running slamd though. [09:05] i want you to doubble check that my thesis is correct about objdump and the NEEDED flag ;-) [09:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) joined ##slackware. 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[09:19] rc.M fonts, gtk stuff [09:19] slackuser1, ^^ [09:19] default install ~ [09:19] pgrep does not show the full command string. even pgrep -l [09:19] icon stuff [09:20] greetings:) [09:20] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [09:20] hey hitest [09:20] hello hitest [09:21] slackuser1, the rc.M file has a lot of stuff that runs/updates on boot. for a normal day to day, I personally have no need to update the fontcache, icon cache, gtk imodules..so I comment them out in that file. however, big caution, if you upgrade/remove stuff, you need to run those commands to update them items. [09:22] hi frullet, Old_Fogie:) [09:22] Nick change: AbsTradELic -> AbsTra [09:22] slackuser1, but those are the items that lag you the hell out on boot [09:23] Nick change: AbsTra -> AbsTra`dE`NivEr [09:23] Old_Fogie: http://pastebin.ca/1414172 [09:23] Old_Fogie: check that [09:23] ok [09:24] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:24] Jaxjaz (n=augusto@189-041-60-168.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:25] macavity, ah neat. I'm waiting for debian kernel to build, then I'll give it a whirl and see. [09:25] Old_Fogie, 10x i will try [09:25] slackuser1, what do you find slow in particular? if it takes time to load the kernel in memory and you are using LILO, your problem is fixable [09:25] Old_Fogie: debian?!? [09:27] slackuser1, to re-run them items, when needed, I wrote a script, but really didn't need to, a user can use 'pkgtool' -->'setup' and then place a check next to the fonts, gtk, cups stuff and hit the enter key and it refresh all them things. I would recommend if you use the pkgtool way, to 'telinit 3', log in as root on terminal, and then run them. you really shouldnt update gtk or font's while running an X session. it's an [09:27] inconvenience, only for those times you upgrade, or remove stuff, but better then waiting all day for the pc to load. [09:27] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [09:27] macavity, yes sec upgrade to kernel [09:28] Old_Fogie: are you using debian to pry out the secrets on how to build gnome? :P [09:28] macavity, I dont run their kernels, package my own. they remove firmware that the kernel really needs imo, but they apparently dont like my bug reports :) [09:28] Old_Fogie: or have you become an infidel? ;-) [09:28] macavity, haha, no debian is my second linux (by far) but I do give it to family/friends that live too far away for me to do upgrades/slackware [09:29] okies [09:29] olefowdie (n=Ford@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [09:29] macavity, debian ticks me off the second least of all linux's, so it's my backup linux for lack of better term at the moment. [09:29] yeah, my second favourite linux as well [09:29] macavity, for whatever reason, their package management/sytle makes sense to me. other linux outside of slack, or debian..well they just tick me off or do things too screwey for me to even spend 5 minutes with them. [09:30] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-129-65.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [09:30] macavity, plus, both slack and debian can have a nice load without mono :) [09:30] <_chess_> debian is really the only other linux I use as well [09:30] <_chess_> works nicely on my nslu2 :-) [09:30] i just saw mono.. i suppose its not needed that much then [09:30] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:31] The-Croupier, not yet ... [09:31] eventually GNU will kick out gnome... when the reality of microsloths patent hell kicks in ;-) [09:31] Old_Fogie: what do you mean not yet? [09:31] _chess_, ironically tho, debian removes firmware from the kernel, cuz it's "non-free" yet they ship the byte-code interpreter on.. bunch of hipocrates they are huh. [09:32] macavity, read that ^^ [09:32] so I rebuild freetype, to yank apple stuff, and rebuild the kernel so it actually works [09:32] lulz [09:32] what byte-code interpreter is that? [09:32] macavity, the apple freetype code [09:33] heh [09:33] <_chess_> Old_Fogie: there is still a lot of nonfree stuff in the Debian kernel, which is why that linux-libre kernel exists [09:33] macavity, see even the freetype.SlackBuild .. Mr. V addresses it's use. [09:33] <_chess_> Debian voted in 2008 to include some of that binary firmware [09:33] _chess_, yea I know that's what kills me. they killed firmware that runs the ATI cards, sounds cards, you name it. I don't get it. [09:34] hence, the reason their kernels aren't even an option for the family/friends I give it to. [09:34] <_chess_> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/04/msg00010.html [09:34] Old_Fogie: Patrick avoids patent encumbered stuff.. but it can be as propietary as it wants, as long as Pat can redistribute it free of charge [09:34] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-201915.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:34] yeah I saw that, it's retarded [09:34] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.103) joined ##slackware. [09:35] macavity, right, and ironically debian ships patent encumbered. [09:35] macavity, with all their speech about 'freedom' it's quite ironic [09:35] Old_Fogie: personally i dont consider the freetype apple thing "non-free".. as i live in a place that does not allow patents on software ideas [09:35] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] <_chess_> Old_Fogie: Debian did not remove the firmware from their kernel, they included it [09:35] macavity, sure I understand, remember we're talking debian who get's pissy cuz the FSF does not call them free here is my point of mention [09:36] heh :P [09:36] _chess_, nah, there's no ATI microcode for r300 for example. [09:36] debian thinks that the GFDL is not Free because it allows invariant cover text [09:36] go figure.. [09:36] asheron (n=stephan@h1486370.stratoserver.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] <_chess_> hmm, my r300 works on default Debian kernel with opengl... anyway, I guess this is OT for this channel :-) [09:37] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) joined ##slackware. [09:37] they think it is ok that the GPL says "dont remove stuff that displays author/copyright information", but the GFDL cant do the equivalent for texts.. lulz [09:38] <_chess_> r500 is not supported b/c mesa and xorg are old [09:38] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [09:38] _chess_, right, but if you boot up a kernel you make, when you boot you'll see the linux kernel say "uploaded r300 microcode successfully" or something like that. [09:38] yes.. the current xorg situation is somewhat fscked up :-/ [09:38] as part of the boot process I mean _chess_ [09:39] <_chess_> Old_Fogie: gotcha [09:39] Old_Fogie: not all microcode is non-free [09:39] _chess_, it's just a small part of how they "re-engineer" the kernel, I prefer the kernel the way linus does it ya know, not some guy from debian [09:40] :) [09:40] Old_Fogie: actually there are quite a few devices that have microcode in source form in the kernel [09:41] yeah, now the microcode they yanked out for soundcards, that just makes the sound cards not even work. [09:41] or firmware, whatever [09:41] that's just ridiculous, but oh well. [09:41] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) left irc: Client Quit [09:41] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) joined ##slackware. [09:47] macavity, was just looking over that script, you know, it might be worth having that script save a copy of objump's for later use, in case you ever need to search for some other lib. [09:47] it is easily modifiable [09:47] well, assuming nothing changed on the system of course. in lieu of having to run it all over again. [09:47] yup [09:48] na, i am just > packagelist [09:48] :) [09:48] and it only takes like 5 minutes or so [09:49] Old_Fogie: these are the 85 packages that needs fixing on slackware: http://www.pastebin.ca/1414221 [09:50] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:50] woh, good grief [09:51] Nick change: greymaus1 -> greymaus [09:51] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [09:51] Old_Fogie: that is -current as of today [09:52] Old_Fogie: so yes.. when we get to upgrading xorg, it is going to be some invasive batch of updates :P [09:52] macavity: how did you get that? [09:52] The-Croupier: http://pastebin.ca/1414172 [09:54] macavity: fantastic one ;) thanks [09:56] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) joined ##slackware. [10:00] will a regular format of my disk mark the bad blocks, or do i have to do a low level format? [10:03] is launchpad not the slowest site you ever seen or what [10:03] what is it hosted off a palm pilot or what [10:03] hahaha [10:03] wanted to grab latest avant window navigator, seems' that a no-go [10:05] m__ (n=m@97-117-50-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:06] mib_lop6jb (i=5961e889@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ebe5c5757e43a9a2) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:08] mibbit ugh ... what a terrible client >.< [10:09] is that the browser client? [10:09] ya [10:09] well ... client inside a ajax website [10:10] macavity: i have a huge list as well [10:11] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:11] alienBOB: a patch the supposedly fixes my vblank/vt-switch problem hit the intel-gfx list yesterday [10:11] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) left irc: "brb" [10:11] alienBOB: it is up for drm-next, so odds are that it will make it to a .29.x release [10:12] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] gotta go thanks again guys..its always a pleasure and a priviledge being here ;) [10:12] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [10:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:14] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [10:16] macavity: good news [10:16] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.28.42) left irc: Connection timed out [10:18] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] alienBOB: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2009-May/002293.html [10:19] fevel (n=fevel@200.142.124.146) joined ##slackware. [10:19] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [10:19] alienBOB: lets hope it gets into .3 [10:20] alienBOB: as i gather that there are *quite* a few users with 945GM based laptops :P [10:21] isn't 945GM the one in all the netbooks? [10:21] yes [10:21] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [10:21] Indeed [10:21] i've got one of those [10:21] has xp and fedora though [10:21] But I do not have macavity's issues on my eeepc... perhaps because I never switch to another VT while in X ... [10:22] alienBOB: or perhaps it is pinned slightly different [10:22] yeah, i don't know if i have the problem; i don't think i've ever done a VT switch on it [10:22] alienBOB: i also get strange messages from glxinfo these days: [10:22] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.159.220) left ##slackware. [10:22] Dorian87 (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-aa493ccf12abdce7) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:23] imouse (n=imouse@58.33.67.151) joined ##slackware. [10:23] macavity@rogue:~$ glxinfo > /dev/null [10:23] do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly. [10:23] Try running with LIBGL_THROTTLE_REFRESH and LIBL_SYNC_REFRESH unset. [10:23] again, vblank fsckiness [10:23] macavity: which model do you have? [10:24] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [10:24] macavity: glxinfo shows the same message here [10:24] goon12 (n=goon12@68-116-193-186.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:24] alienBOB: uh, oh? what about dmesg | grep vblank? [10:25] alienBOB: could i have you try and turn off desktop effects in KDE, log out, log back in and enable them? [10:26] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [10:26] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:28] mib_4lhde6 (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a0dd5c8fae4a88b) joined ##slackware. [10:28] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [10:28] mib_4lhde6 (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6a0dd5c8fae4a88b) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] copland-leopard_ (n=copland-@c-71-203-34-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:37] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [10:37] Action: nille_ downloads kde4.2.3 and gets ready to compile [10:40] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:40] Action: i_is_cat sticks with his kde 3.5.10 and enjoys it while it lasts [10:41] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@YMMD.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:41] well in every version things get alot better, so i wonder whats better this time [10:44] Am i the only one who has no problems with kde4, loves it, and likes how it makes him more productive [10:45] Action: Old_Fogie puts on his Ms. America gown, and gleefully answers nille_ with "World Peace" /end blinks eyes :) [10:46] Zordrak, just wondering (not being wise - really want to know here) , but what do you find makes your 'more productive' ? [10:46] Zordrak: I think so :) [10:46] gsan1 (n=gnoel@c-68-32-44-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:52] i hate that crap [10:52] fevel (n=fevel@200.142.124.146) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:52] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:53] using compiz and having the expo on set to the cursor at the top left corner bugged the shit out of me [10:53] Old_Fogie: also, the one thing i cant live without in a DE is a quicklaunch bar... and now i have one [10:53] i_is_cat: each to their own.. it is VERY good for *me* [10:53] Old_Fogie, you got any pics of you in your Ms. America gown? [10:53] and quicklaunch bars are available for almost all de's as far as i know [10:54] thats true [10:54] yeah the expo is nice, i cranked the speed *way* up no animation, to make it more effective for me, yeah that's a nice one. [10:54] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-20-121.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Old_Fogie: Konqueror4, Dolphin and Device Notifier also make for speedier progress [10:54] edman007, paypal :) [10:54] lol [10:55] the whole messaging subsystem is about 1e939 times better than in KDE3 [10:55] Zordrak, glad to hear something good of a review about it than most blogs of "well the last rev of kde ran like crap..blah blah" . good to hear some actual review of it for a change [10:55] and the primary reason i wouldnt use kde3... it was fluxbox or xfce only then [10:55] stillborn (n=blow_my_@KMDCCXCI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] yeah knotify left a little to be desired, but was very customizable, but ...errr had to explain. [10:56] Old_Fogie: glad to help [10:56] Old_Fogie: on the whole, specifics aside, it just feels for the first time like it's a proper integrated environment rather than 100 apps all fighting to live in the same space [10:57] there are still little things missing before feature parity with KDE3 is up [10:57] like: in plasma folder views i can deside what files gets previewed.. now in both konq and dolphin it is either-or [10:58] Zordrak, yea kde always did have the feeling you describe to me too. gnome, xfce seemed more integrated then kde did. [10:58] will anyone help running lamp on slack - i have a script that uh partly works [10:58] Zordrak: what do you mean by quicklaunch bar? [10:58] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) joined ##slackware. [10:58] gem_cat: slackware already include everything needed for a "lamp" setup. [10:58] good morning fellow slackers [10:58] amazon10x: it's a panel widget [10:58] just start httpd, mysqld and start configuring :P [10:59] morning vastina:) [10:59] Zordrak: with a bunch of shortcuts for apps? [10:59] macavity: AFTER reading rc.mysqld :) [10:59] amazon10x: yeah [10:59] Zordrak++ [10:59] alt+f2 is my quicklaunch bar :) [10:59] i_is_cat: there is no quicker way :P [11:00] i_is_cat: but not as quick and sometimes alt+f2 gets stolen by apps [11:00] i_is_cat: yakuake and alt-F2 is pretty much the only ways i start things [11:00] yes and it seems to work well without any major effort BP{k} but a script I am trying to run is for some reason having a prob [11:00] yep same here alt+f2 is mainly for reg gui apps like firefox or whatever and ill launch them in yakuake if something messes up and i need to see output [11:00] i've noticed in kde4 that when i alt+f2 and type, i have to wait just a few tenths of a second for it to catch up to me before i press enter. anyone else experience this? [11:00] gem_cat: than you probably need to be more specific about "this script" and what the problem is you are having. [11:01] the scrip is wordpress and runs widely but on my instal only the back end is working - the front end fails [11:01] the only app thats ever stolen focus from my alt+f2 is mythfrontend and thats kind of a given heh it takes over everything [11:01] bbl [11:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:02] gem_cat: did you read the instructions in rc.mysqld before you started it? [11:02] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.103) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] i did notice on my other box that if i hit printscreen about 7 or 8 times really fast, it brings up about 4000000000 instances of ksnapshot and wont stop [11:02] i sit there and manually kill the pids and think im done after 200 or so and then check again theres another 50+ and growing [11:03] i dunno if thats kde or ksnapshot or a keyboard thing.. [11:03] i_is_cat: there is currently some kind of buggering around with khotkeys, which is currently giveing me the finger on several apps/shorcuts [11:04] ya the khotkeys thing has given me issues too [11:04] macavity, I think mysql is running perfectly - I can read and write and the working part of wordpress displays, only the mainpage is missing [11:04] same. my print screen key doesn't do anything anymore [11:04] gem_cat: ok.. just double checking [11:04] well at least you have alt+f2 ksnapshot ;) [11:04] lol [11:04] gem_cat: lots of people fall into the "db is owned by root" trap because they dont read rc.mysqld before they start it [11:05] macavity, i have phpmyadmin working flawlessly afict [11:05] i think the slackwiki tutorials also have mysql and apache info if im not mistaken [11:06] but it is a database call that is crashing the script [11:06] gem_cat: will you please just go read over rc.mysqld then? [11:06] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] thank you macavity, I will surely do that [11:06] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.170) joined ##slackware. [11:06] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:07] gsan1 (n=gnoel@c-68-32-44-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:07] Action: macavity bets a fiver that gem_cat is about to learn something about slackware ;-) [11:07] heh. i had to use mysql the other day and it wasn't working properly. alas, reading rc.mysqld fixed it :) [11:08] all hail man pages! [11:08] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [11:09] vastina: manpages are for wuzzes.. real men uses hexdump and cstrings to deduce how a program works ;-) [11:09] macavity: mental note taken ;) [11:09] haha [11:10] s/cstrings/strings/ [11:10] vastina: however, i am apparently still just a kid ;-) [11:10] yeah you young ones ;) [11:10] i use gdb [11:11] to deduce how a program works [11:11] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-230-188-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] vastina: just make sure you dont do that on any of my custom crafted binaries :P [11:12] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [11:12] vastina: a little linktime magic can send gdb into orbit for good [11:13] can i install the -current kernel on 12.2? [11:13] ... especially if gdb is run as root :P [11:13] chowabunga: you mean the package? [11:13] or source [11:13] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [11:13] macavity: i think you have a faint picture of how i use my system, do i seem like the type of person that would be running gdb as root? [11:13] yeah, how about no [11:14] hehe [11:14] you can always install a new kernel from source. kernel.org is your friend. [11:14] monstro (i=1000@189.111.18.132) joined ##slackware. [11:14] thats not what i asked [11:14] yes it is. [11:14] you just don't realise it yet. :P [11:14] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.115.170) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:14] chowabunga: the -current package of the kernel source is the prestine kernel.org source, only modified to extract to /usr/src/linux/ [11:15] yesi mean official packages [11:15] Don't selectively install -current packages [11:15] Install them all or none [11:15] not kernel.org, i've already done that [11:15] i concur [11:15] Don't install the -current kernel unless you are running -current [11:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:16] Don't install the -current anything unless you are running -current [11:16] well i should steal the -current kernel config [11:16] if not the source [11:16] chowabunga: do you mean the kernel-source-package? (as part of k/ or the actual kernel files as present in kernel-*-2.6.29.2*.tgz in A/ [11:17] never mind [11:17] chowabunga: do you want it for huge-smp or generic-smp? [11:17] chowabunga: i can pastebin it so you dont have to download and extract the package [11:18] i dunno i just cant get fuse/usb to work on 2.6.29 [11:18] and im sick of rebooting [11:18] hang on [11:18] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:18] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) joined ##slackware. [11:18] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) left ##slackware. [11:18] but huge-smp .config was buggy on 2.6.29 last i tried [11:18] and took a year to compile [11:19] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [11:19] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] http://pastebin.ca/1414312 [11:19] there [11:20] that is generic-smp [11:20] dont forget to include your rootfs, or make an initrd [11:20] rootfs and 3ware-9xxx [11:20] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) left irc: [11:20] oooohh... droooool.... geif that controler nau! :P [11:21] Hi all, [11:21] Is possible enable connect pppoe on virtual box with slackware ? [11:21] hehe i bougt this pc from a friend for 500 bucks [11:22] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.171.13) joined ##slackware. [11:22] bartas (n=bartas@siec.interblock.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:22] macavity, this is all facinating but the permissions and owners for the data look as I would expect them to - surely if mysql is running before it drops this call it is not really a mysql prob [11:22] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:23] monstro: Ify ou give VBox a "true" controller to work.. yes [11:23] but if you're doing NAt.. no [11:23] cool, i can download at 3mb/s from kernel.org [11:24] gem_cat: i know *squat* about this.. ive just seen so many odd problems stem from the fact that people "forget" the mysql.mysql owership [11:24] Dominian, then I need two physical ethernet card ? [11:24] monstro: yep [11:25] You can't have your ethernet card "owned" by the host os and then virtual os if you want to do PPPoE on the virtual.. won't work.. has to be bridged [11:25] gem_cat: have you checked the mysql log? perhaps the problem is with something else in the stack other than mysql [11:25] the error looks like this it says PHP Notice: Undefined property: stdClass::$version_checked in ~wp-includes/update.php on line 37 [11:26] or similar undefined property error [11:26] wtf [11:26] does 12.2 have the required version of php that is needed to run that? [11:27] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-214-174.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] If its wordpress.. yep [11:28] Action: Dominian runs the latest wordpress on slackware 12.0 without issue [11:28] Dominian, okay [11:28] thanks! [11:28] i run wordpress on 12.2 [11:28] i run wordpress on 12.2 [11:29] i press words on 12.2 [11:29] I run herpes on 12.2 [11:29] well, my point was that if it works on 12.0 with its version of php.. it sure as hell sh ould work on 12.2 and its version of php [11:29] lmao [11:29] on words i press 12.2 [11:29] anybody know anything about fish [11:29] or aquariunms [11:30] aquariums [11:30] i have tried reinstalling it over a dozen times - what dirves me nuts is the backend works fine but the mainpage is gone [11:30] ./valtrex --treat /straterra [11:30] razel_, there is a yahoo group on that topic [11:31] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:31] razel_: you put them in water and after a certain length of time, they die. [11:31] lol [11:32] razel_: salt or fresh water? [11:32] I had an aquarium once. I will never do it again. It's only worth it if you get something thats 100 or more gallons. Small aquariums are fun at first, but you can only hold so much fish in them. [11:32] chowabunga, did it just run? can you show me your conf files? [11:32] Bitmaster (n=Bitmaste@wpa-n5-50.kthopen.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [11:32] fresh [11:32] i just started [11:32] And it's much funner to watch a school of fish than it is a few fish. [11:32] but i put 2 goldfish in ther to cycle the tank [11:33] and now that i read some shit i herd theyre bad [11:33] so i wanna switch to tropical fish [11:33] gem_cat> uh, [11:33] should i just take the goldfish out and put the tropical in ? [11:33] razel_: go to the library and get a good handbook for hobbyists [11:33] razel_: let your tank cycle until your nitro/ammonia levels are stable. [11:33] agentc0re|work: how big was your tank? [11:33] like 25 L [11:33] amazon10x: 20 gal, wide. [11:34] razel_: if you change the population you should change the water and add the bio conditioner suitable for that kind of fish [11:34] i just started yesterday [11:34] chowabunga, did you have no prob at all? [11:34] razel_: really... get a handbook from the library [11:34] anyhow.. have to go now [11:34] thats my next step [11:34] is it expesnive to get like a 100-150 gal tank and all the stuff you need to run it? [11:34] no problems [11:35] amazon10x: the tanks is a bit more expensive, but everyone else is maintenance. [11:35] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) joined ##slackware. [11:35] s/everyone/everything [11:35] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [11:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [11:36] hey [11:36] razel_: Honestly the same ammount of work goes into cleaning a 100gal tank versus a 20gal tank. It's a lot of work to clean them and keep the water fresh, etc. etc. [11:36] razel_: So if i were you, i'd return the tank and go get a bigger one if this is something you really want to do. [11:36] because after a few months, you're going to hate cleaning it. [11:37] bigger means a bit easier to clean because you have more room to work with. [11:37] Bitmaster (n=Bitmaste@wpa-n5-50.kthopen.kth.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:37] I love my gf's pet rats [11:37] Those things are easy to train and clean..and eat anything [11:37] I also made my own filters, so i would recommend doing that over buying them premade. you save lots of money. [11:37] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:37] razel_, dont forget how much it weighs [11:37] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-248.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-52.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] /topic Domestic Auquatery [11:38] :P [11:38] hi, I've got a problem with java to get my hostname, application servers and web java applications are very often giving me this error java.net.InetAddress.getLocalHost(InetAddress.java.... [11:38] my 7yr old granddaugher has caught a tarantula and is trying to keep it [11:38] I guess it is using gethostname function unsuccessfully [11:39] gem_cat: zomgwtf [11:39] but my hostname is set, /etc/hosts seems ok [11:39] but java still can't get it [11:39] does she know that she's supposed to be scared of those? :P [11:40] anybody know the reason ? [11:40] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] god this is ridiculous [11:41] everyone is trying to make viral videos that are getting more and more insane [11:41] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [11:41] its like...who can be the dumbest to get the most hits [11:41] agentc0re|work: i just started... [11:41] i just want something small [11:41] untill i learn [11:41] gem_cat: What kind of tarantula? [11:41] then ill get something big [11:42] A man eating tarantula [11:42] heh what's that practice called when hamsters are inserted into body cavities? [11:42] im just worried that if i take the goldfish out right now and add a tropical starter fish instead it wont survive [11:42] in texas is bound to be a trapdoor spider [11:42] chowabunga: It's funny how that works. The more stupid you are the more popular you get. Idiocracy again. [11:42] trap door spiders are like crazy poisonous [11:42] my buddy told me to use goldfish as a starter fish to help the tank cycle [11:43] but i read on the internet thats bad [11:43] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [11:43] fish suck, get a gecko [11:43] gem_cat: Aren't those the ones that have the kind of poison that will make you numb and wouldn't know if they were eating your hand away? [11:43] yes but seldom bite unless severly provoked [11:43] razel_: It's fine. [11:44] remeber i just started yesterday [11:44] started what? [11:44] the aquarium [11:44] no agentc0re this one would hurt famously [11:44] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-201915.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "-" [11:47] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-72-191.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:47] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:47] gem_cat: 7 year old granddaughter? wow you're an old-timer :P [11:47] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] don't know why, but I can resolve an IP of my hostname only as a ROOT, but as a user >> uknown host...please help [11:48] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [11:48] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [11:49] sloinn: pastebin the /etc/resolv.conf file. [11:49] antler: LOL. Now just tell him how old you are to rub it in deep with some salt. [11:49] sloinn: also, include getent host [11:49] agentc0re|work: hahah [11:50] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] anyone use facebook? [11:51] I do [11:52] thumbs, resolve is fine with proper DNS servers, and in /etc/hosts there is an entry 127.0.0.1 ... and getent host throwing unknown database "host" [11:52] lol just checking [11:52] sloinn: sorry, getent hosts [11:53] sloinn: i asked for /etc/resolv.conf [11:53] $ping hostname >>> unknown host #ping hostname >>> works [11:53] sloinn: either you give me what i asked for, or I don't help you. [11:53] sloinn: suit yourself [11:53] anyway I learned some of you are successfully running wordpress - please give me some basic info like are you using a .httpaccess file and if so what does it say (or is that just for permalinks) [11:54] resolv.conf [11:54] nameserver 84.19.44.1 [11:54] nameserver 82.197.66.164 [11:54] sloinn: and getent hosts ? [11:54] sloinn> stfu [11:55] chowabunga: be respectful. [11:55] thumbs, 127.0.0.1 myhostname [11:55] I found a list of modules for wordpress but wonder if some might be contraindicated ( a basicly enabled them all ) [11:55] its a php error not wordpress [11:55] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.140.228) joined ##slackware. [11:56] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [11:56] its the easiest thing to setup, you did something bad [11:56] chowabunga: telling someone to stfu in a public channel is a sure way to get a ban [11:57] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:57] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:58] god scribd suxxxx [11:58] chowabunga, my php-conf is default except I enabled parsing for different types of files and have tried it the other way too [11:59] thumbs, I'm using my own bind server, but I stopped it and tried the one of my ISP, I really can't figure out why it works for root process and not for user process [11:59] konaya (n=Bitmaste@wpa-n5-50.kthopen.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [11:59] is hosts and resolv.conf readable? [11:59] konaya (n=Bitmaste@wpa-n5-50.kthopen.kth.se) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:59] yes [12:00] permissions are ok [12:00] but $hostname works, so problem is with resolving the IP [12:01] run netconfig again [12:01] but I guess that it should just look at /etc/hosts for it [12:03] chowabunga, my ol tells me she has a couple of books on php - I will see what I can find. Thanks [12:03] you dont need books, just google for the erro [12:03] s/google/search/ [12:03] I will also do that [12:04] chowabunga, and what about the domain name to put in the netconfig, is it mandatory ? [12:04] i guess not, but it doesnt hurt [12:05] and does this netconfig rewrites /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ? [12:05] cause it wouldn't be nice [12:05] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-20-121.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Vanishes with a small pop" [12:06] it will undo whatever you broke i guess [12:06] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:06] omg.. win7 - Password hint (required) <-- [12:06] yes but if it undo 50 #rules in my configs .... [12:09] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [12:10] Zordrak: hit the space bar and hit next [12:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:11] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] straterra: well yeah.. and actually ialways prefer to put in a hard space (Alt+0160)... but it's the principle of the thing [12:12] chowabunga, didn't help...still can't resolve localhost and hostname as a user...but browser resolves it [12:12] reboot [12:12] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) left irc: "Leaving" [12:16] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] soon i'm able to try kde4.2.3 (when my compilation is finnished [12:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:17] kde 4x :/ [12:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[12:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Control_Message_Protocol [12:28] whats in your hosts file [12:28] Zordrak: man up, it's just poorly written code [12:28] sorry read wrong [12:28] :p [12:29] Action: vastina would probably be nauseated as well though [12:29] chowabunga, well, I don't block anything, I only routing and masquerading [12:29] Zordrak: what's it like? [12:29] so i take that back [12:29] do they finally have a wm that will actually, you know, let you manage the windows? [12:29] chowabunga, cause I have some VM on brctl bridge [12:29] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [12:29] amazon10x: im trying not to think about it.. i feel sick enough [12:29] just search the web [12:30] Hey guys what would be a good phone that can act as a 3G modem in linux? [12:32] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) left irc: "leaving" [12:32] Zordrak: i have such a hard time palating anything beyond winxp (which blows my mind as is), what exactly nauseates you though fancy bloated gui sat atop of immature code as usual, or?? [12:34] sloinn (n=adam@84.19.44.79) left irc: "Leaving" [12:35] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:36] i'm installing windows xp now [12:36] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.10.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] such a pain. the three step install process and at the end nothing works. i have to go hunting for all the drivers [12:37] craziness [12:37] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:37] hhaha [12:37] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.140.232) joined ##slackware. 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[12:40] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-152-52-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) got netsplit. [12:40] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) got netsplit. [12:40] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) got netsplit. [12:41] guess i can understand that, haven't been a gamer since the release of half-life 2 though, so i guess my winneeeds are lower [12:41] i use xp on my laptop because it gets me more battery life than linux. it uses a very new wireless driver and i believe it had an issue that was sucking power. i'm going to try out fedora 11 when it releases and hopefully that'll fix it [12:42] i figure i already have the xp license so i might as well use it [12:42] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-78-15.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:42] do you work for amazon? [12:42] AbsTra`dE`NivEr (n=vldmr@189.52.144.227) joined ##slackware. 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[12:44] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) returned to ##slackware. [12:44] kevlinux (n=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [12:44] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) returned to ##slackware. [12:44] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@69.245.162.6) returned to ##slackware. [12:44] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) returned to ##slackware. [12:44] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) returned to ##slackware. [12:44] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) returned to ##slackware. [12:44] StevenR (n=foo@212.44.56.204) returned to ##slackware. [12:45] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-114-206.dsl.telesp.net.br) returned to ##slackware. [12:45] stef_204 (n=stef@pool-71-99-147-74.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Umm, not sure what language that is, or tbh what you said, but I'm doing very well, thanks. :P [12:45] nice netsplit. [12:46] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) got lost in the net-split. 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[12:46] It's not over yet. :P [12:46] firebird619: haha i just said lots of work, and little money, you know, the usual [12:46] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-20-121.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] firebird619: hi [12:46] vastina: haha, ok. [12:46] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [12:46] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [12:46] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:46] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [12:46] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-148-60.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:46] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] chopp (i=1000@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [12:46] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. 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I had left because I had a lag of over 300, now I know why. [12:47] Global message incoming... [12:47] amazon10x: sweet! spanish lessons are great [12:47] Action: Camarade_Tux away : hi and bye all :) [12:47] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:47] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) got netsplit. [12:47] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) got netsplit. [12:47] rapid (n=rapid@c220-239-129-83.dandn1.vic.optusnet.com.au) got netsplit. [12:47] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) got netsplit. [12:47] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) got netsplit. [12:47] zounds (n=zounds@81.234.214.184) got netsplit. [12:47] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@72.20.48.65) got netsplit. [12:47] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) got netsplit. [12:47] UdontKnow (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) got netsplit. 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[12:47] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) returned to ##slackware. [12:47] UdontKnow (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) returned to ##slackware. [12:47] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) returned to ##slackware. [12:47] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) returned to ##slackware. [12:47] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest44178 [12:47] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest46711 [12:47] vastina: yeah, i really wish i would've continued on in my own study. i'm pretty sure i was on the verge of fluency [12:47] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:47] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [12:47] sQuEE` (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:47] nooper_ (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [12:47] uva (i=bno@118-168-237-87.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. 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[12:48] it gets rustyt a lot, you really need to stay in practice, and with loads of mexicans here i can keep it up, but my dialect is different [12:48] NaCl: I guess. :P [12:49] i think i'm going to come into a lot of free time soon, so i'm considering learning a language. i was thinking chinese, japanese, german, or russian [12:49] but it'd be hard to get practice with those here in the states [12:49] NaCl: It said when I got back on: Your nick is owned by Held for nickname owner (enforcer@services.) [12:49] spanish from catalonia is only intelligible to mexicans, they have a tonne of language lexicons i'm unfamiliar with [12:50] chowabunga, google leads me to a long discussion about some ongoing syntax changes in php if that is what is going on I am just unlucky to be first - and someone will certainly have to fix wordpress - it seems an active community [12:50] amazon10x: i'd pay you a grand in whatever currency you'd like if you fluently learn mandarin [12:50] firebird_619: netsplit probably messed with NickServ's logic a little bit [12:50] NaCl: yeah, I think I got it straightened out here. [12:50] haha, well with even the most intensive study i'm pretty sure that needs at least 2 years. so i'm going to have to write that down to remember :P [12:50] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [12:51] ta-da. :D [12:51] amazon10x: do so, and i'll be most impressed, even in two years [12:51] lol, the global message: oops! the network for one of our sponsors suddenly disappeared. sorry for the troubles... [12:51] spanish from catalonia, you mean catalan? [12:52] psychicist: i learnt in catalonia, but my teachers were from leon, so i know that may sound misleading [12:52] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [12:52] finally. found the ethernet driver [12:53] i know some catalan, but i speak spanish from the leon region [12:53] would be interesting to learn more basque considering the region [12:55] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-10-1.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:55] wtf. windows assigned the drive letters C-H to my card reader and cd drive and gave "I" to my system disk [12:55] superGear (i=1000@71.212.187.149) joined ##slackware. [12:55] even though i didn't pick up fluent catalon in the region, one thing i did pick up is the foods, and to this day i still can't get enough allioli in my meats [12:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.223.171) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:56] wtf is allioli? [12:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427949.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:56] i second that [12:57] 2nd what? [12:57] "wtf is allioli" [12:57] superGear: it's kind of like a catalonian version of barbeque, you take a pinch of salt at the bottom of a mortar+ pestle, add 4 cloves of garlic, smash that to a puree, then slowly add olive oil to a paste and splash in some lemon [12:57] lol [12:57] it's really amazing [12:57] that actually sounds interesting [12:58] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.25) joined ##slackware. [12:58] in China i am told they have English parks where people can go to practice and assume western persona [12:58] yeah, marinade your meats in that, i promise heaven on the dish, also add a little saffron and a pinch of pimenton paprika and it's the best [12:59] last night i did that on some sockeye salmon... added a little maui sweet onion... bliss [13:00] catalonia is like in/near spain or smthin? [13:00] northeast spain [13:00] kkady32 (n=kkady32@unaffiliated/kkady32) joined ##slackware. [13:00] they think they're independent of spainn, but the scottish think they're independent of the UK, bit of the same crap [13:00] Is that where you're from? [13:01] no, i'm from woking, surrey, england [13:01] living in colorado [13:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [13:01] Where in Colorado? [13:01] on Colfax or smthin [13:01] please. don't place me where you pick up your slappers [13:01] hookers* [13:01] i'm not in denver [13:01] kkady32 (n=kkady32@unaffiliated/kkady32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:01] vastina: dammit, now I am hungry [13:02] north colorado springs, and do a load of work in boulder [13:02] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Hey BP{k}. How are you? [13:02] firebird619: not bad, yourself? [13:02] BP{k}: haha try that i think you'll enjoy [13:02] vastina: I am sure I will :) [13:02] BP{k}: doing very well, thank you. [13:02] Action: BP{k} starts poking kethry_ [13:02] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Connection timed out [13:03] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [13:03] vastina: heh, she already knew what allioli is. \o/ [13:03] BP{k}: figure that, is she a mediterranean? [13:03] vastina: nope. much much worse. [13:03] she's a brummie! [13:04] ooh! gutted! [13:04] haha [13:04] hmm pidgin isn't saving my accounts -anyone? [13:04] well, former brummie. ;) [13:04] rm ~/.pidgin [13:04] BP{k}: well there's a slight saviour [13:04] vastina, why not just move to Boulder? [13:04] BP{k}: she cook well for you? [13:04] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-130-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:04] vastina: she came for a "weekend" about six years ago. [13:04] chowabunga: Doesn't work [13:04] having a long weekend? [13:04] haha [13:05] there is no dir [13:05] :p [13:05] that's like a long ass trip each day [13:05] superGear: because i went to university there and have enough ties, i like living where i'm less known [13:05] you have to login before it will save the info [13:05] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Action: superGear is in Southeast Denver [13:05] vastina: aye :) she's a great cook (apart from some dishes, which are mine by right), and a loves scifi/fantasy etc. [13:05] nowhere near Colfax thankfully [13:06] BP{k}: not a bad woman at all then mate, sci fi plus decent food, sounds win/win to me, mind we all have to deal with the regular bitching sessions, but no one is free of that it seems [13:06] superGear: aurora? [13:07] close [13:07] superGear: highlands? [13:07] like the other side of the street [13:07] is aurora [13:07] woohoo. finally got the ethernet driver installed. now i just need to run windows update before the machien gets compromised [13:07] I'm in Denver [13:07] vastina: aye, part and parcel. But it's worth it :) [13:07] superGear: oh, well you're close enough to me, i probably pass you on a weekly basis on my trips to boulder via 470 [13:07] off of Hampden [13:07] windows updates arent really necessary imo, just dont use internet explorer and use a router [13:08] I'm not that far east [13:08] you can install the sp3 redistributable if you want, but doing individual updates will just make your system crappy [13:08] that be like Southlands and such [13:08] superGear: oh ok, i was working around that area last year, LOVE the whole foods near I-25 and hampden [13:08] yeah I'm near walmart which is a mile or so from Whole Foods [13:09] chowabunga: i suppose if you're always behind a router you'd be fine, but i'm not so i just keep it updated [13:09] Colorado Springs is nice [13:09] then install a firewall [13:09] but i'd hate to be there in the wintet i think [13:09] superGear: i love it here, do the incline every other day [13:09] winter* [13:10] Boulder is ok [13:10] ping (n=ping@119.131.248.126) joined ##slackware. [13:10] a bit too liberal tho [13:10] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-201255.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:10] too pretentious for me, and i'm conservative by nature [13:10] Pretty University girls tho [13:10] that's about it as far as perks [13:10] but i have mine at home ;) [13:10] ping (n=ping@119.131.248.126) left irc: Client Quit [13:10] well, the green there is nice as well [13:11] :x [13:11] vastina: you gotta love a girl who does *this* for my birthday: http://tinyurl.com/cypt3p && http://tinyurl.com/cypt3p && http://tinyurl.com/d7s6bu [13:11] green would be Mary? [13:11] superGear: yes sir [13:11] Action: superGear is a good boy ;P [13:11] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:11] BP{k}: christ man!, envy! [13:11] BP{k}: she probably wants to kill you slowly using cholesterol [13:12] lol [13:12] shit, kill me with that cholesterol, i'd be so happy [13:12] BP{k}: you're one lucky guy. [13:12] superGear: you're a good boy? [13:12] come on you're in colorado, spare me [13:13] I don't do mari [13:13] aperturefever: probably .. but heck .. what a way to go! [13:13] I have in the past tho [13:13] vastina, keep to that garlic sauce and cholstoral is just a myth [13:13] BP{k}: true! [13:13] gem_cat: you are so right ;) [13:14] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:14] time to validate my windows. MS needs to check up on me and make sure i'm being a good user [13:14] superGear: to each his/her own, as for me, no one need know if i do it or not, but i appreciate it, i'll say that [13:14] Don't use windows [13:14] vastina, cholestoral is just a garlic deficiency ;) [13:14] whoever says windows is easier to setup than linux has clearly never compared the install times of windows xp vs any modern distro [13:14] amazon10x: so, have you been a good user? :P [13:15] gem_cat: haha well put, and i concur [13:15] Windows is easy to install [13:15] time consuming to config and turn stuff off [13:15] superGear: I've got Windows 7 RC in a VM, it's not bad. [13:15] and install drivers and such [13:15] firebird619: i pass the test this time at least [13:15] I got 7 RC in dual boot [13:16] superGear: I notice it performs better than the beta did. Do you notice the same? [13:16] Windows 7 is nice when Windows Explorer doesn't crash [13:16] superGear: my appreciation would probably be about as liberal as this conservative heart can get though [13:16] haha [13:16] m__ (n=m@97-117-50-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] shower time [13:16] superGear: explorer hasn't crashed for me yet, but it is windows after all, so I'm sure it will soon. [13:16] amazon10x, please, i can smell you all the way over here [13:17] haha [13:17] Action: vastina is still thinking about how jealous he is of BP{k}'s woman [13:17] i'm my own home's cook [13:17] men make better cooks [13:17] best chefs in the world are men! [13:17] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) joined ##slackware. [13:17] which means probably more like "men like showing off" [13:17] hm, do they ever even have women on that "iron chef" show? [13:18] Urchlay: I think there have been in the past. [13:18] I don't watch Iron Chef [13:18] I watch Hell's Kitchen sometimes [13:18] disconnected imap or imap ? which to choose? [13:18] tho i don't really like it that much [13:18] not watched it much, but the times I've seen it, it's always men [13:18] superGear: i read, loads and loads [13:18] sod tv, plus i work in hospitality, i work with famous executive sous chefs [13:19] yah, reading beats TV any day [13:19] I'm reading right now! [13:19] we all are [13:19] (morning people) [13:19] Urchlay: http://www.foodnetwork.com/chefs/cat-cora/index.html [13:19] I can't read, you insensitive clods! [13:19] mornin Urchlay [13:19] Urchlay: good morning, how are you? [13:19] eviljames, explains your bad typing or smthin [13:19] regarding chefs .. granted there are more male than female chefs around the world .. but give me Nigella Lawson any day ;) [13:20] hmmm, she can cook and she's kinda cute... probly spoken for [13:20] Urchlay: s/probably// [13:20] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Success [13:20] she's probably married to a male chef. [13:20] BP{k}, stop being geek! [13:20] BP{k}: the girl on the web page, not your wife :) [13:20] BP{k}: i cook with what i know, i've travelled a decent issue of this blue rock, and i LOATHE eating out, plus cooking is relaxing, not a show-off thing, just a personal satisfaction thing [13:21] Urchlay: I thought you mean Nigella Lawson ;) [13:22] So i like this ubuntu [13:22] never even heard of her until now [13:22] and living in colorado springs, next to these mountains, no excuse not to work off all the food i pack in [13:22] ha - julia child started the tv chef thing after a full career as a spy [13:22] Urchlay: from that female chef's bio: Cat resides in Southern California with her family, including her biggest fans, her two sons. [13:22] superGear: you WHAT? you like Ubuntu? :P [13:22] vastina: heh yeah. I am still planning on one day to translate the dutch indonesian cook book into english :) [13:23] lolol [13:23] firebird619, do we all? [13:23] yeah, well, at my age, I can't expect them to be virgins you know... [13:23] don't* [13:23] no ubuntu is hated [13:23] superGear: I guess I don't care for it, but to each their own. [13:23] BP{k}: wouldn't that be something? my current projects are thai and portuguese dishes [13:23] ubuntu is nice for newbies [13:23] superGear: Are you talking about the latest, 9.04. [13:24] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:24] superGear: yes, for newbies it's great. [13:24] firebird619, no idea [13:24] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:24] ubuntu is hell for experts [13:24] I'm using slamd64 [13:24] actually yeah, I wouldn't run ubuntu for myself, but I do recommend it to complete non-technical types who want to know "what's this linux thing all about?" [13:24] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [13:24] superGear: heh, ok. :) [13:24] unless they want to be an ubuntu expert [13:24] vastina: nice :) my most favourite kitchens are Indonesian, Greek, Italian and Japanese (and other associated south east asian dishes) [13:24] Ubuntu gets on my nerves really [13:24] stephan_ (n=stephan@h1486370.stratoserver.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] BP{k}: whats your favorite greek food ? ;D [13:25] but it works well for newbies [13:25] keeps noobs noobs [13:25] buntu is all fun and games until it breaks. Then you don't always know what's breaking what. :P [13:25] oops i read that as what's your fav geek food [13:25] lol [13:25] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [13:25] lmao [13:26] chowabunga: the kind of person I'd recommend ubuntu to is the perpetual noob anyway. People who really don't give a damn about computers or how they work, they just want one to use... [13:26] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Client Quit [13:26] the people who have run windows for 10 years and are amazed when I show them how to copy and paste, or drag a shortcut to the desktop... those peopel [13:26] Urchlay, and for ones who break Windows easily [13:27] BP{k}: that's a good regional lineup, mine is relatively close the only deviations are some of my chilean and argentine native-inspired dishes, and the occasional polynesian dish [13:27] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:27] aperturefever: hmm well done dolmades, greek farmer salad, stifado and anything with fish .. oh .. and ouzo :P [13:27] Action: gem_cat tries to be noncommental about Ubuntu [13:27] more work to secure their windows then to just install Ubuntu or some other newbie distro [13:27] mmm, dolmades [13:27] lol [13:27] Action: vastina loves dolma [13:28] ubuntu will just make you dumb and frustrated [13:28] I've never been a fan of debian based distros tho [13:28] real ouzo, has these bits floating in it... someone told me those were some kind opium, should I believe it or is it urban myth? [13:28] or debian itself [13:28] definitely urban myth :P [13:29] chocolate binds to opiate receptors i think [13:29] Coca-Cola has coke in it! [13:29] you have to do the research [13:29] had* [13:29] it did [13:29] Urchlay: the only time I saw things floating in ouzo .. was either .. when I was too drunk .. or it had been in the freezer and basicall it was icecrystals floating around :) [13:30] just like bayer sold heroin over the counter and kept aspirin under the counter [13:30] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:31] ok, so my leg hath been pulled [13:31] the guy who told me that was known to... exaggerate, anyway [13:31] anyone want a KGC free meal, it's from Oprah: http://www.unthinkfc.com/ [13:32] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] vastina: did he mention i'm a geek too? [13:32] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] bartas (n=bartas@siec.interblock.pl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:33] Hi kethry_. How are you? [13:33] dont eat that! [13:33] we are all geeks or smthin [13:33] all medicine is poison - no one has a medicine deficiency - go for the whole Greek Easter with the lamb and bitter herbs and all those other dishes too [13:33] KGC is nasty [13:33] hey firebird619 ... I'm good ta. you? [13:33] so is KFC [13:33] KFC is made from people [13:33] superGear: yes but not all ladies with male geeks are geeks themselves. [13:34] kethry_: I am very well, thank you. [13:34] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [13:35] kethry: oh damn, you're the lady [13:35] i was trying to suss that [13:35] haha [13:35] vastina: LOL [13:35] I met a couple of students yesterday - one had vista running in an xwindow on a notebook running fedora [13:36] gem_cat: Greek easter should be called suicide easter or sth like that :P [13:36] kethry: well then, my envy is near overwhelming [13:37] vastina: :D [13:37] kethry: all we need to know now is what your face is like, geek, plus cook usually doesn't conjur the prettiest perception of a woman to most men. No offence in advance [13:37] I miss my geek girls :( [13:37] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:37] eh, well, they weren't really "mine", but I still miss 'em [13:37] vastina: hang on and i'll track you down a pic of me. [13:38] vastina: all women you meet on the internet, you treat them like they're the most beautiful angel you're ever seen, until proven otherwise :) [13:38] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Urchlay: i've only seen ONE, yes count her, one geek girl that was fit. The rest, oh god (slightly blinds a bit on the memory) [13:38] vastina: there used to be two that lived near here... one was really hot, the other was cute if you like them plump [13:39] Urchlay: yeah... HOW plump? [13:39] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.73) joined ##slackware. [13:39] of course the hot one was the one who got a job making $90k/yr writing perl scripts, who used to come in my #!/usr/bin/perl IRC channel and beg for help 'cause she didn't know the first thing about perl [13:39] ehh, lemme see if I can find a pic, you be the judge [13:40] Urchlay: the doors a pretty face will get you through, huh? [13:40] yeah. Also she was a single mother with a <1 yr old baby [13:40] (dunno if her employers knew that or not, but it can't hurt) [13:40] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:41] how to make Slackware FULLY support Unicode ? [13:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [13:41] bleah, I can't find a pic of this girl, nor remember her IRC nick [13:41] yeah, i'm 25, NO babies for a while... i have money to make, places to go, baby-bitching to avoid... [13:42] Thursap: find out which apps and libraries don't support unicode, patch or rewrite them :) [13:42] as i know, it does not support unicode by default, right? [13:42] vastina: got one. ok to pm you the link? [13:42] kethry: go ahead [13:43] anyone wanna buy an ati tvwonder theater pro 550 tuner card? [13:43] Urchlay: i'm using Scim for my local input method, but it seems not work well [13:43] i sell cheep or trade for something cool [13:43] Thursap: I believe most (all?) KDE apps support it, and I know Firefox does, and xterm does but it has to be enabled in .Xdefaults or such [13:43] no idea what Scim is, sorry :( [13:44] and actually for me, "unicode support" just means "being able to see non-ASCII characters", not "being able to type them", since I only know English [13:45] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] What is Scim? [13:45] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] i_is_cat, dont some use that to rip tv shows - maybe there is a chat or group for that [13:46] it doesnt work on linux [13:46] its junk unless you have winderz [13:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Urchlay: Urchlay, superGear: SCIM=Smart Common Input Method, which is used in almost every distros, including Slackware [13:46] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:47] Urchlay: sadly, the browser(firefox) display my language well, just in some documents (.doc, .odt) the text is broken for some [13:48] it might be that the document(s) in question don't specify a character set, and your app(s) assume it's UTF-8 when it's really Latin-2 or something [13:48] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [13:49] have that problem when people paste stuff from Word as HTML [13:50] kethry: yeah may become a new mainstay huh? :) [13:51] Urchlay: nope, these docs are typed in Windows or Fedora or Ubuntu, etc :) and they are just fine on them. just on slack came the prob [13:51] stephan_ (n=stephan@h1486370.stratoserver.net) left ##slackware. [13:51] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Vietnamese? [13:52] Urchlay: i've read that slack does not support Unicode by default, and i think may be it's the reason [13:52] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] hm. I'm not an expert on the subject but I think there's something you set in the environment (LOCALE=UTF-8 possibly, I dunno) [13:53] http://lwn.net/Articles/332000/ heh [13:53] superGear: right :) how do you know? [13:53] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:53] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-192-126.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [13:53] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:53] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) joined ##slackware. [13:53] an IRC bot told me so [13:53] Thursap: your ircname is "Binh Nguyen", sounds Vietnamese to me too [13:53] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:53] slackware supports TF-8 fine it just won't auto guess really like some other distros [13:54] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.25) joined ##slackware. [13:54] unfortunately I wouldn't know enough Vietnamese to be able to guess whether it's being displayed properly or not :( [13:55] I don't know any Vietnamese [13:55] me either [13:55] except I think "cha gio" means "spring roll" :) [13:55] I only know engrish :( [13:56] alright everyone, back to some IT for me, speak soon [13:57] Have fun [13:57] vastina: later :) [13:57] Urchlay: sounds like you are very similar with Vietnamese things :) [13:57] Georgians don't take kind to other races! [13:57] I still have my same prob - I may find a configuration way around it - or roll back to an earlier version of php [13:58] well, I really like Vietnamese food... especially pho [13:58] never had Vietnamese [13:58] but I can't read the alphabet at all [13:58] i fear the sterotype! [13:58] overcome your fears. It's good stuff [13:59] no whiskers in the food?! (is kidding btw take no offense) [13:59] dude, it tastes so good, I wouldn't even care [13:59] superGear, the potted catfish is a bit strong but the soup is always good [14:00] I like chinese and jp food [14:00] never had Vietnamese food [14:00] bartas (n=bartas@siec.interblock.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:00] maybe one day i will [14:01] and thai and indian and filipino [14:01] never had them [14:01] maybe thai is best - they have stolen everyones best recipies [14:02] Action: vastina cooks loads of thai [14:02] thai sticky rice.... to die for [14:02] Go back to work vastina ! [14:02] ok sorry... [14:02] haha [14:02] heh [14:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-113-163.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [14:05] so is there a way to make php ignore 'legasy' syntax [14:05] m__ (n=m@97-117-50-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:07] eh? like what? You can turn off register_globals (it probably is off by default in 5.x) [14:07] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:08] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [14:09] in a way, the entire PHP language can be considered "legacy syntax" :) [14:09] thanks Urchlay - I will look into that [14:10] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hello guys, I just got a docking station for my laptop, and a 19 inches lcd monitor, is there a way to set-up X so when it starts it autodetects the correct display? at the moment i have display on both screens... I don't want xinerama or anything like that, if I can turn off the laptop monitor it will be great... is this possible? (i'm using radeon driver) [14:10] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.84.104) joined ##slackware. [14:11] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] 12:59 < astrophysicist> By the way, uname -p returns amd64 [14:11] opps [14:11] Action: superGear knows nothing about ati :/ [14:12] i supposed this is the right doc to follow: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Projects/XRandR ? [14:12] xrandr, yes [14:12] I don't know the exact steps you have to take, but you're at least looking in the right place [14:12] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "bbl" [14:13] thanks Urchlay [14:14] Urchlay, This feature has been DEPRECATED as of PHP 5.3.0 and REMOVED as of PHP 6.0.0 [14:14] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-171-172-153.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [14:14] gem_cat: what, register_globals? yeah, you want it turned off [14:14] its gone [14:15] dunno what else you were asking about (not really a PHP guru, I just learn bits of it as needed) [14:15] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Urchlay, what are you a guru of? ;P [14:17] hey, everything I know enough about to be a guru of is extinct [14:17] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:18] superGear: 6502 machine language and Atari 8-bit architecture... pretty much obsolete skills [14:18] Nick change: nooper_ -> nooper [14:18] and even there, there are real gurus who do stuff that impresses me :) [14:20] hey Urchlay linux has a nice suite for pic micro 8-bit - [14:20] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:20] echo Hello, world! [14:21] when I last messed with PIC stuff, that wasn't the case (in like 2000)... [14:21] -bash: echo: command not found [14:21] :) [14:24] there is even a slack pkg for it Urchlay - looks just like mplab [14:27] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:27] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [14:28] /dev/root 16G 16G 6.2M 100% / [14:29] HHmm I had an un-networked pc I used to run as root on - now i copied my files over to my main pc and because all the dirs and files were created as root I can't use them without sudoing - how can I change all the permissions for my user account to access them? [14:29] my box that has the pic stuff on it was in storage and either I have forgotten the passwords, or it has - time for a new slack anyway [14:30] compl3x: with chown, I suppose [14:30] rg3: cheers ill look it up [14:30] gem_cat: [14:30] hi Lexus1 [14:31] chown your_user_name:user's_group -P /that/dir [14:31] hi:) [14:31] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [14:31] for example, chown alexey:users -P /mnt/data/music [14:31] rg3 - cheers buddy - worked a charm [= [14:31] not -R? [14:32] since this time, the owner of all the files and the directory will be user alexey from group users [14:32] m.. [14:32] Lexus- I just used chown -hr username /dir [14:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:32] if -P doesn't work, do -P %) [14:32] -R * [14:32] whats a good game [14:33] Slackware is simple :D [14:33] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "reboot" [14:33] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-247-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] simple stable speedy secure [14:33] sure:) [14:33] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-247-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:33] Lexus1, i spent 4 days messing with chown and never found a magic solution, although I learnd some things not to do :/ [14:34] 0_o [14:34] what are you tryign to do [14:34] poor guy:) [14:34] gem_cat: chown will help you [14:34] i promise) [14:35] chowabunga: a good game? highly subjective question... [14:35] run the command under root. and then you'll be able to use your directory & files in it from that user's account [14:35] a good computer game [14:35] er, yeah, I got that part :) [14:35] as in not sucky [14:36] install a NES emulator and play Super Mario Bros. 3, I always like that one [14:36] gem_cat: try http://www.slackbasics.org/html/chap-filesystem.html#chap-filesystem-permissions [14:36] i have a modded xbox...and thats not a pc game [14:36] NES emulators do run on PCs (and modded Xboxes too) [14:36] but not a pc game [14:36] shame on me :-[ the option is -R :D [14:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-130-143.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:37] still talking about chown? [14:37] yes %) [14:37] I used -hr worked first time :p [14:37] well I have *no idea* what you're looking for. First person shooter? Strategy? (realtime or turn-based?) Platform? Arcade style shooter? [14:37] chown -hr username /dir [14:37] Urchlay> anything that doesnt suck [14:38] dude, you're not helping much... "sucking" is subjective, you might hate my favorite game... [14:38] you can just type them out [14:39] oh and free games [14:39] try this one: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/typhoon_2001/ [14:39] it's free but not open source [14:39] indeed nice game [14:39] Lexus1, I used the chown in mc and tired setting the user/group to apache/apache also john/user also apache/user and other things [14:40] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/eduke32/ <--- Duke Nukem 3d for Slackware (can play the first few levels for free using the shareware game data) [14:40] chowabunga: my taste in games is that I like older ones... I still think Doom II is pretty neat [14:40] john/user seems to be the default but somewere the manual recommends apache/apache [14:41] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Urchlay> ok what else [14:41] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:41] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [14:41] eh, go here & look, all these are easy to install on slackware: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/ [14:42] freeciv is very nice if you're into 4x strategy games [14:42] micropolis is the same game as the original Sim City (for PC and for Super Nintendo), I always liked that even though I'm terrible at it [14:42] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [14:43] i need to free up drive space [14:43] del all [14:43] Jaxjaz (n=augusto@189-041-60-168.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [14:44] dude, no [14:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] %) [14:48] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "me_em" [14:49] hey Old_Fogie [14:49] as in the old anecdote about win) [14:49] - father, what does it mean - "Format c: completed"? [14:49] - !!!!!!!!!11 >:0 [14:50] hello all [14:50] hi compl3x [14:50] hello Old_Fogie [14:50] It means that you allready don't exist! Lexus1 [14:51] :) [14:51] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] WB Old_Fogie [14:52] :) [14:53] tecky_ (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] does slackware have a epoll library package? [14:55] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-171-172-153.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] elverig (n=devrmst@66-17-10-243.biz.bkfd.arrival.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] I see that man epoll brings up some info on sys/epoll.h But for the sake of compiling things I have configure complaining with "configure: error: Cannot find epoll_ctl() function for socket engine" [14:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427949.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427949.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:57] elverig (n=devrmst@66-17-10-243.biz.bkfd.arrival.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:57] whaa... what are you trying to build? [14:58] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] epoll appears to be part of the Linux kernel, not a separate library [14:58] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.224.123) joined ##slackware. [14:59] you have the kernel source or at least headers installed? you might have to tell the package you're building where to look for them (in the Makefile or via configure script or something) [15:02] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] rtcg: /var/log/packages/glibc-2.9-i486-3:usr/include/sys/epoll.h [15:03] I *thought* it was part of the kernel. Maybe the kernel is just too old... [15:03] uhm, that is -current, so yours is probably glibc-2.7 [15:03] grazymax (n=grazymax@host100-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Ok.. it is slackware 11.0...so I'll try a newer version first. [15:04] rtcg: whatever you're building, it may have a --without-epoll config option [15:04] rtcg: grep epoll_ctl /usr/include/sys/epoll.h [15:04] (you won't say what it is though) [15:04] paissad (n=paissad@72.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:04] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:04] I did look for the --without-epoll option. I'll grep epoll.h though. [15:05] rtcg: if it returns "extern in epoll_ctl( fu, bar, etc" then it is a matter of DEFINE to get it in [15:05] rtcg: eg, if you are running on the 2.4 kernel on slackware 11 it might not be available [15:06] actually I'm running on the never released Slackware 11.1. :) [15:06] gsan1 (n=gnoel@c-68-32-44-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] the --current that had 11.1 set...but then "things" changed. :) [15:06] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:06] perhaps there was a reason why it was never released ;-) [15:07] Nick change: tecky_ -> tecky [15:07] and perhaps it is time to update :P [15:07] It will be a matter of DEFINEing it it appears, because epoll_ctl *IS* in there.. ok.. Looks like I get to learn how to do that. [15:07] :p [15:07] a weird thing is happening to me... I can't log in as root but i can su to it. any idea of what could be the problem? [15:07] update-schmupdate... the thing is rock solid. [15:08] Excellent security gsan1. You are to be praised. [15:08] i wish [15:08] are you talking about logging in locally or via SSH? [15:08] from the console [15:09] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] rm -rf / [15:09] no no no! [15:09] whoops wrong terminal [15:09] lol [15:09] haha [15:09] NO terminal is good for that! [15:09] lol [15:09] why does kde take so long to compile om my laptop [15:10] toastytoast: do NOT do that in here again.... [15:10] its laarrge :p [15:10] There was/is a file that can specify ....usernames to not allow login. [15:10] yes it is [15:10] oh common it was funny [15:10] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] but i promise not to [15:10] toastytoast: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [15:10] toastytoast: read the section about "harmfull commands" [15:11] nille_, Kind of a silly question. It is a massive compile and a laptop is not exactly the ideal build box. It is going to be pretty slow. [15:11] it wasa joke i'm funny [15:11] im sorry* [15:11] >.> [15:11] nille_: mostly becuse KDE is written in C++ [15:12] g++ is not nearly as fast [15:12] nille_: and seccondly because they use a lot of templates, which makes compiling C++ even slower [15:12] MS3FGX yes i know that but since my compile box isn't accessible right now i have to build on my lappy, and it's actually me that can't wait to try it out :p [15:13] nille_: what version are you building? [15:13] 4.2.3 [15:13] O_O [15:13] geez.. i checked yesterday [15:13] well i was released today [15:13] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-214-174.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] i cant turn my back on anything for freaking five minutes before they update my grandmother :P [15:13] s/i/it [15:14] oh well.. ill wait for it to hit -current [15:14] well i use it on 12.2 so current doesn't do much for me :) [15:14] gsan1: Have you checked your login.access file for clues? [15:15] where is it? /etc? [15:15] gsan1: Your restriction to root from the console MAY/COULD be in there. [15:15] gsan1: Yes.. /etc/login.access 'man login.access' for help [15:15] and good luck. [15:15] there's also /etc/securetty [15:15] god damn it! whoever took the postal service's gay song and applied it to UPS adverts is an arsehole! they beat that song into contempt with complete overusage... even if i hear that song in the background i cringe [15:15] sorry... had to be said [15:16] or those whiteboard adverts.... ooh god those are annoying [15:17] login.access is just full of comments on my system [15:17] so /etc/securetty is your next stop, gsan1. [15:19] rtcg: sorry, i was trying to log in from tty1 but from the computer itself [15:20] securetty has console and tty1-6 uncommented [15:20] mib_ds46ev (i=516e6e27@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e0833393000ed381) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Nick change: mib_ds46ev -> suke [15:20] hihi [15:21] im toastytoast's gf ^_^ [15:21] he told me to come here ^_^ [15:21] no i didn't suke plz don't [15:21] dunno y :/ [15:22] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.140.232) left irc: [15:22] lol aww :p [15:22] yesh u did [15:22] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd81b1.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [15:22] and she is't my gf either she is a freind [15:22] Action: suke runs up to toasty and kisses him ^_^ [15:22] i love u bbz [15:23] last night was soooooooo fun ^_^ [15:23] Action: toastytoast goes and sits in the corner waiting for thsi to be over [15:23] no man has EVER made me cum that fast [15:23] what about a girl [15:24] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [15:24] hihi im suke im a girl [15:24] lesbian? [15:24] If you were a girl would you say that your a girl? [15:24] im also toastytoast's cuggle muffins [15:24] i used to be a lesbian [15:24] but [15:24] ^//////^ [15:24] toast turned me [15:25] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("thought this was slackware not sex-wear."). [15:25] I'm a lesbian stuck in a mans body :/ [15:25] oooh am i making people horny?? [15:25] 0_0 [15:25] how? [15:25] toastytoast help their gonna rape me >___< [15:25] it's just text on a screen [15:26] now if there was pics and such then maybe [15:26] ;) [15:26] ud have to ask toastytoast for pics ^_^ [15:26] i don't want pics of him [15:26] he has some nudes of me and i dont mind sharing,but its up to him [15:27] toast they want to see our nudie pics [15:27] superGear: welcome to IRC.. where the men are men, the women are men, and the little girls are FBI agents [15:27] lol [15:27] lol [15:27] Urchlay: haha nice one :p [15:27] suke is a 50 year old fat male [15:27] thats funnu [15:28] funny [15:28] 0_0 [15:28] no thats toast [15:28] kick? [15:28] Anyone XD [15:28] or is suke a troll? [15:28] im not a troll >< [15:28] toastytoast told me to come here [15:28] yet toastytoast isn't speaking [15:28] suke, it's channel policy that women how come here put "away" in their name, try it, you'll get more guys responding to you [15:29] lol [15:29] ? [15:29] suke-away [15:29] yup like that [15:29] ooh [15:29] funky [15:29] you might also find this site entertaining or informative: http://baiting.org/ [15:29] type like /nick suke-away [15:29] nope [15:30] how else they gonna know a girl is in here? [15:30] ..........why do i get the feeling im not wanted [15:30] If you're a female you gotta prove it [15:30] make a pic with Old_Fogie is really old! [15:30] or smthin [15:30] no i dont [15:30] u have to ask toastytoast for a pic [15:31] then you're just a guy to me [15:31] yup, else you'd be suke-away [15:31] who the heck cares. [15:31] Jesus does. [15:31] hah [15:31] gah! [15:31] caresMuhammad [15:31] Ginto8 (n=Ginto8@pool-71-245-115-224.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Muhammad cares* [15:31] lol [15:31] Seriously..no one gives a flying fuck of your gender [15:32] or lack of [15:32] toastytoast why wont u talk to me :( [15:32] someone needs to remove the "female" :P [15:32] and please try and group your messages into one - tis getting annoying [15:32] kk [15:33] uh toastytoast? are u alive? [15:33] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:33] :( [15:33] obviously he isn't [15:33] im worried now [15:33] I was thinking annoying [15:33] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@76.104.183.185) left irc: Killed by Md (broken bot, please contact staff) [15:34] toastytoast has magnifent balls [15:34] i mean marbles [15:34] what ever their called [15:34] ok leave please [15:34] their really pretty [15:34] :P [15:34] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] for updating current - would this be sufficient - slackpkg update - slackpkg install-new and slackpkg upgrade all - ( I have my conf file pointed to my local mirror ) [15:34] i call them balls he calls them marbles [15:34] suke, pleast type /part [15:35] they have weird stuff in the middle [15:35] suke, make like a tree and leave [15:35] is this for real? am i really seeing this crap on ##slackware? [15:35] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:35] ##slackware: mode change '+d cpc2-cwma4-0-0-cust550.swan.cable.ntl.com' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [15:35] GTFO [15:35] Action: vastina checks if he's in slackware [15:35] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [15:35] Thank you mr rworkman [15:35] :) [15:35] macavity: pong [15:35] :) [15:35] rworkman: cheers, i thought i was in the wrong channel there for a moment [15:36] Anyone notice my question in hidden in all this bullshit ^? [15:36] ? I still see suke listed as in the chann [15:36] compl3x: repost? [15:36] for updating current - would this be sufficient - slackpkg update - slackpkg install-new and slackpkg upgrade all - ( I have my conf file pointed to my local mirror ) [15:36] she is gone now? [15:36] Old_Fogie: he is, but he's muted. [15:36] toastytoast, maybe muted [15:36] rworkman, ah ok [15:36] suke (i=516e6e27@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e0833393000ed381) left irc: Client Quit [15:36] toastytoast is that your friend or smthin? [15:37] rworkman knows how to handle a woman, mute them! [15:37] :) [15:37] compl3x: if there are glibc-solibs, sed and pkgtool upgrades, apply them first in that order [15:37] Old_Fogie: if only they were all that easy. [15:37] compl3x: then proceed doing what you said [15:37] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:37] rworkman, you could say that again. [15:37] Old_Fogie: if only they were all that easy. [15:37] too bad there isn't a mute button IRL [15:37] :D [15:37] hahahah [15:37] rg3: Using installpkg / or slackpkg? [15:37] a freind from a different server [15:37] compl3x: in principle yes (see also slackpkg(8), and do read the UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT) [15:37] http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wintysworld/wife_remote.htm [15:38] compl3x: whatever you prefer, i suppose [15:38] i told them bout what i did when i came on [15:38] BP{k} , rg3 cheers [= [15:38] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-185.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:38] toastytoast: eh, so tell us. Is this person really female? [15:38] yes [15:38] well [15:38] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:38] ? [15:38] Urchlay, hahahah, good find! :) [15:39] it's wierd it's a case of multpe personalty disorder [15:39] so she's a she and a he [15:39] so the person is technicly a guy but suke is a different persoanlty [15:39] yeah [15:39] head desk [15:39] thats fucked. [15:39] it's strange be suke is the feamle personalty [15:39] he need to see a doctor imho [15:39] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] do you know him IRL? [15:39] or a train. [15:40] and if you've seen kyle talk you would know they are two different ppl [15:40] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.171.13) left irc: [15:40] rworkman, I read that 3x ..finally got it :) [15:40] he has seen a doctor [15:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:40] Old_Fogie: no, not *that* kind of train. [15:40] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.224.123) left irc: "brb" [15:40] lol [15:40] toastytoast: walked right past, huh? [15:40] man train [15:40] No manual entry for train [15:41] lolo [15:41] thank Heavens [15:41] doctor? screw that..that means our insurance goes up [15:41] I have a .45 that can be borrowed [15:41] murder/suicide isn't acceptable yo [15:41] It is to me [15:42] so we get someone in here with more issue's then straterra and we mute them? is this chann policy :) [15:42] toastytoast: so you have a multiple personality shemale following you about? you don't speak when they speak in the channel... [15:42] Action: vastina is trying to put this together [15:42] well it's just plain wrong to wish death on another [15:42] No its not [15:42] Welcome to earth [15:42] i didn't speak becaseu i went afk [15:42] curious timing [15:42] toastytoast is suke? [15:42] no different ips [15:43] Action: vastina thinks so [15:43] Get the torched [15:43] proxies [15:43] torches^ [15:43] and the lube [15:43] i live in maine [15:43] superGear: yeah [15:43] yeah! burn the witch! she's lighter than a duck! [15:43] straterra: don't forget the pitchforks... [15:43] proxies and lube - rofl [15:43] she live in the uk [15:43] he [15:43] Urchlay: I have my meatfork [15:43] aperturefever, haha, what movie was that again? [15:43] it's a HE [15:43] giggity [15:43] "What do you burn apart from witches?" "MORE witches!" [15:43] Fuck - im in the same country as that? [15:43] Old_Fogie: Holy Grail ;) [15:43] oh yea yea forgot that part [15:43] The British are odd people [15:43] sod this shit, i'm afk... see you all when this channel gets back to norm... oh and a hello to Old_Fogie [15:43] Not all [15:44] he/she i consider them two different ppl [15:44] superGear: are we? [15:44] vastina: bye! [15:44] yes! [15:44] superGear - eh? [15:44] they act and talk like two different ppl [15:44] So does an actor [15:44] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-78-15.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] vastina, hello [15:44] Yet..one person [15:44] superGear: if your from america - then you sir are a hypocrite [15:44] they == I [15:44] Americans are odd too [15:44] and "she" is friend with "he" ? [15:45] Humans are odd [15:45] well howevber you look at it is up to you [15:45] "people are odd" [15:45] so what are we? men or mice? [15:45] nah, we have Obama now, the world's gonna love us, he even said so. [15:45] are kyle and suke lovers [15:45] and plus i would never use mibbit and neither would any of my alt personalties [15:45] mice or men.. [15:45] if i had any [15:46] so toastytoast has other personalities [15:46] also i would never use windows do a nmap -O on sukes ip and you'll see it's windows do an nmap -O on mine you'll see linux [15:46] VM! [15:46] Two boxes? [15:47] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-171-172-153.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:47] 2 PCs [15:47] the to pcs i own both run slackware [15:47] or do you? [15:47] one is a dell i use for an ftp [15:47] one is my main i am useing right now [15:47] and i have two laptops both running slackware [15:47] VM. [15:48] Action: toastytoast sighs [15:48] sure [15:48] why not [15:48] ;) [15:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [15:49] well that was interesting for 5 mins [15:49] I wish I could get my KDE desktop to look like this. http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3769/xfce46awesome.jpg [15:49] How is everybody's day going? [15:49] you caught me i thouht you guys were a bunch of old men who don't like haveing fun so i spoofed my ip and wenty to a windows box to shake this place up a bit [15:49] Ginto8 (n=Ginto8@pool-71-245-115-224.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:49] Shingoshi: I think it's too full of stuff [15:49] Shingoshi: dang, way to budy :) [15:50] my desktop is *empty* :D [15:50] busy* [15:50] Is anyone using the -current pkgtools. [15:50] On -current, yep [15:50] :P [15:50] Shingoshi: eeeeww my eyes hurt [15:50] i am but i'm on slamd64 so dunno how current it is compared to slack [15:50] ok, i'm trying to avoid this channel, but this is just completely ludicrous... toastytoast: know what kills you in this conversation? you're trying way too hard to cover your tracks... remember you're in a channel of guru's or at least the aspiring, typically (with some respectable exceptions) most people in here are grown, and they know better... i just don't know why you'd do that... really silly actually [15:50] superGear: Its down by quite a few updates [15:51] holy hell I missed something [15:51] Can you view packages with it. I can't. It never fully loads. I had to go back to using pkgtools-tukaani. [15:51] does it matter? [15:51] no [15:51] it was kind of lame tho [15:51] Shingoshi: what version of slackware are you on? [15:52] i either did it or not anything i do won't change what you think so meh [15:52] -current [15:52] Shingoshi: If you're trying to run pkgtools from -current on something other than -current.. it won't work I don't believe. [15:52] Shingoshi: oh.. hr [15:52] Shingoshi: I haven't tried and my vps with slackware-current is at home [15:52] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] toastytoast, if that was you don't do that again as it could get you banned i guess [15:53] All I know is that when I click on view, it never loads. It just goes into a loop. [15:53] mine loads fine [15:53] View Packages [15:53] infinite loops will make you dizzy [15:54] nonsense infinita loops are fun! [15:54] It's not a real problem, since pkgtools-tukaani will handle it. But I'm not sure about the xz packages though. [15:54] the two aren't mutually exclusive (hence the popularity of alcohol...) [15:55] or that "sit & spin" toy everyone had as a kid, that they used to make themselves puke [15:55] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-180.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:57] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.171.13) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-214-174.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] OK, this is waaay off topic, but there are a lot of smart people in here... anyone know anything about car batteries? [15:58] wow there are logs going back to 04 [15:59] for this chan [15:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) joined ##slackware. [15:59] specifically: a car that won't start, but the radio/lights/etc work OK... if I jumpstart it, it'll start, and run forever with no problems until I turn it off. Sound like the battery's dying? [16:00] alternator [16:00] if it was the alternator, I wouldn't be able to keep driving it with working headlights/radio for over an hour, though...? [16:00] gemcat (n=GEM@207-119-20-121.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Urchlay: actually, i had a similar battery issue recently with my nissan z... [16:01] it would run until i turned it off then it's flatline, electricals would come up thoguh [16:01] so probably the batter [16:01] y [16:01] you're right on the alt [16:01] cool [16:01] thought I'd ask for a 2nd opinion [16:01] Wow... AbiWord 2.7.0 is a candy [16:02] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-78-15.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:02] yeah, honestly think it's the battery, considering i just went through it, are you in the US? [16:02] waiting for someone to get here to give me a jumpstart, will go get a battery, see if that helps [16:02] yah, in the US [16:02] go to autozone, or somethign similar, they'll runa battery diagnostic for free [16:02] ah, cool [16:03] miss my old car with stick shift, I could roll-start and pop clutch [16:03] Action: vastina loathes automatic cars [16:03] lose so much control [16:03] drive a Saturn now, it's like the Ubuntu of automobiles... [16:03] hahaha [16:04] is the gui decent in the console? [16:04] you can't even check the damn transmission fluid (no dipstick, no place for one)... have to go to Saturn dealer, they hook up computer, it tells them how much fluid is in there [16:04] oh that's shit [16:04] o.O [16:04] heh. It's a 2000 saturn, no in-dash screen, just regular analog gauges and a clock on the radio [16:05] sQuEE` (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:05] especially considering an auto... manual the trannie fluid is less of a novelty [16:05] Everything on my car is cake to get to [16:05] well the price was right. Bought <10 year old car for $300 [16:05] XVar (n=nnscript@unaffiliated/xvar) joined ##slackware. [16:05] and drove it home [16:05] on a side note of our off-topic convo here, i'm thinking about replacing my oil with royal purple on the next change [16:05] $300? [16:06] what was wrong with it? [16:06] That's Zimbabwean dollars as well [16:07] superGear: it needed the transmission rebuilt. Which cost $1300 [16:07] I run royal purple [16:07] copland (n=copland-@c-71-203-34-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: [16:07] straterra: what do you think? [16:07] worth it? [16:07] still, decent car for $1600 [16:08] It's expensive.. [16:08] I won't be switching back..but I'm not changing every 3k miles [16:08] probably the dead battery is because it's the original battery, now 9 years old [16:08] im going 8k [16:08] straterra: the money's less the issue, i've heard the change time is much mroe with the purp [16:08] change time? [16:08] yeah the mileage for change [16:09] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-119.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] i change every 1500miles because the previous owner neglected, recently moved up to 3k once the engine sounded more to my satisfaction, but i'm considering moving to royal purple [16:09] gemcat (n=GEM@207-119-20-121.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Vanishes with a small pop" [16:09] How many miles? [16:10] just under 75k... however it's a 1987 [16:10] Have you changed plugs, cleaned the intake, checked the valve specs? [16:11] bought it at 64k miles, the previous owner completely neglected it, and the only issue was one of the fuel injectors was unplugged [16:11] straterra: of course [16:11] what plugs? [16:12] injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown. [16:12] :P [16:12] all i have left to do is the exhaust rebuild... [16:12] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:12] chopp: you have *no* idea how that came across ;-) [16:12] i used NGK [16:13] macavity: probably just about how I intended it to. :P [16:13] echo Bye, bye, world! [16:13] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] i need to replace the entire exhaust manifold from the cat to the pipe... so that should be fun [16:13] doing that next week [16:14] but my question was really; does royal purple make a noticeable difference, or not? [16:14] yes [16:15] then i'm sold, heard enough opinions to this point [16:15] how often would you change it considering my car's age? [16:15] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-20-121.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] you can go 10k miles on full synthetic [16:16] if you have no leaks, but you can do 5k with full synthetic easy [16:17] chowabunga: thanks for the reply [16:18] synthetic rules [16:19] chowabunga: yeah i'm still on Castrol crap, last time was amsoil, but i didn't like it [16:19] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-119.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [16:19] and even thoguh i didn't hit 75k yet, since i bought the car i've been throwing in high mileage oil, really helped the car loads [16:20] just get valvoline max life [16:20] or hunt fors ome shaffers [16:21] yeah, like i said, on the next oil change 76k, i'm going royal purple [16:21] wtf is royal purple [16:21] full synthetic oil, highly praised by tonnes of people i know, and those i don't know so well [16:21] what brand [16:22] it has some propietary solvent/detergent in it that makes it superior to rivals... [16:22] it's by a company named royal purple [16:22] hmm [16:22] www.royalpurple.com [16:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:22] anyway, IT calls [16:22] bbiab [16:24] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.194.235) joined ##slackware. [16:27] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-124.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@office.sephone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Whats up, how is everyone today? [16:32] terrible [16:32] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd81b1.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:32] superGear (i=1000@71.212.187.149) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] lol [16:32] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [16:33] tomorrow i have to finish my isearch on os development :( [16:33] why put off till tomorrow what you can get done today? [16:34] because one, I'm at work [16:34] lol [16:34] for* [16:35] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@160.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [16:37] shardz_ (n=trey@dblt-216-227-24-77.gtcom.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] when you have taken the skin of an animal, what is the process called that you carry out to get a finished leather/pelt? [16:39] tanning [16:39] tanning [16:39] thx [16:39] boo [16:39] thats probably the most random question i've seen today [16:39] XVar: i dont have a dictonary :P [16:40] you dont have linux? [16:40] or a computer.. [16:40] wierd [16:40] shardz_: yes.. what packages can do translation? [16:40] last time i checked a dictionary isnt very useful for looking up a word that you know the meaning of [16:40] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:41] macavity, google . com [16:42] shardz_: macavity is a regular here, so he is entitled to "get away" with one dumb question per week. Who are you? [16:42] i am a regular smart ass [16:42] so i, too have entitlement [16:43] hmm [16:43] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] A "regular smart ass" or "a regular, smart ass" ? :) [16:43] 2nd one [16:43] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] oooh :P [16:43] and I don't recognize you, fwiw. You don't talk much here. [16:44] rworkman: btw, did you look over the use of objdump? [16:44] lol that reminds me of the C&H strip with "every time i see a phrase with -ass at the end of it i move the hyphen one place to the right, so it says "that's a sweet ass-car" [16:44] macavity: not yet. Too much else going on [16:44] rworkman: it was actually Old_Fogie that pointed out that debian calculates dependencies that way [16:44] ooh, then we can't use it ;-) [16:44] But yeah, objdump is very good for that - more reliable than ldd [16:45] rworkman: ldd lists "dependcies by proxy" due to object prelinking [16:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [16:46] rworkman: do you think Pat would find it usefull? [16:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-130-44.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:46] oh [16:47] rworkman, A "regular smart ass" [16:47] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:47] sorry was being an ass to someone else [16:47] heh [16:47] macavity: he's got something similar already :) [16:48] damn.. too late :P [16:48] is pat a cyborg [16:48] chowabunga: sometimes i get that feeling too :P [16:50] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:51] hi i have two questions, one big [16:51] return the big one [16:51] 1 - how can i "maintain" slackware? and 2 - does slackware come with a java compiler? [16:51] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Hey guys, whenever I move my mouse within X11 I get this really annoying high-pitched sound from my speakers. Any ideas on how to remedy this? [16:51] missyjane: 1) slackbook.org 2) yes [16:51] missyjane: ok, that was a cheep shot on 1) [16:52] macavity, thank you and what is it? [16:52] err.. [16:52] missyjane: gcj [16:52] gcj? [16:52] macavity@rogue:~$ gcj --version [16:52] gcj (GCC) 4.3.3 [16:53] oh wow i had no idea gcj is a command [16:53] ok ty so much, igot it [16:53] your version is probably a little different [16:53] however, as to 1) [16:53] you gotta know what is going on in a slackware system [16:54] you see, slackware obey you blindly.. and if you tell it to blow the system up, it *will* do so witout warning [16:54] there is no "are you sure" in the package management tools [16:54] i'd install java-jdk to get javac [16:54] but thats just me [16:54] is backtrack reall slackware? [16:54] gcj is the java compiler [16:54] no [16:54] well [16:54] it's slax [16:54] i know that much [16:54] shardz_: ^^ [16:55] for one i am trying to figure out for example, how to maintain logs and what i should do with /tmp? i have about 20gb in /tmp [16:55] its two distros put together right? [16:55] it's a slackware derivative, so to speak [16:55] missyjane: you can "rm -rf /tmp/* /tmp/.*" on boot [16:55] yikes i dont want to do that [16:55] i remember how hard slackware was yearsss ago, im still afraid of a real install [16:55] missyjane: just add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local [16:56] slackware was never hard [16:56] what? [16:56] hehe shardz_ im a bad user, i used it almost all my life cause someone first introduced it to me but [16:56] campared to redhat :/ [16:56] shardz_: your kidding me? [16:56] having a large amount of data in your tmp location shows your fear of data committment :) [16:56] i never knew the ins and outs of it [16:56] gooph, lol! [16:56] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-84-181.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] You've never used one of the first versions of Slackware have you chowabunga ? [16:56] missyjane: slackbook.org [16:56] missyjane: and slackbasics.org too [16:56] im talking about like 10 or more years ago [16:56] Dominian> yea i have [16:56] thank you again :) [16:56] i used sls [16:57] shardz_, yea the floppy discs days [16:57] haha, yeah floppys [16:57] WrongDevice (n=WrongDev@tdev213-38.codetel.net.do) joined ##slackware. [16:57] i did LFS.... that was scary [16:57] missyjane: oh, and all the other URLs in the channel topic are nice to visit too :P [16:57] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-84-181.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] i like the advent of the liveCD :p [16:57] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@office.sephone.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:57] ha. .how about the 5.25 floppies? the real FLOPPY floppies, those were the days [16:57] heh [16:57] frisbees [16:57] Necos: lulz.. LFS is the only thing *other* than slackware i ever got serious with.. however, my home roll always ended up looking just like slackware, so eventually i just "went home" :P [16:58] will do macavity :) [16:58] ty again [16:58] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [16:58] ubuntu seems to be straight up garbage though [16:58] macavity: exactly [16:58] guys..you remind me of this.. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6938 (from the pico part) [16:58] shardz_: oh, ive seen worse: puppylinux [16:58] tardage [16:58] macavity: I had the exact same thing happen to me. [16:58] lmao [16:58] ubuntu is actually really nice [16:58] eviljames: it's funny how that goes to people, huh? :P [16:59] Elverig_ (n=chatzill@66-17-10-243.biz.bkfd.arrival.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] but not for me [16:59] i just dont like ubuntus install, too gimped, im sure it can be filled out [16:59] Necos: id take stock debian over it any day (if you drag me kicking and screaming away from my beloved slackware) [16:59] id rather go with straight debian [16:59] yeah mac [17:00] id rather die [17:00] elitist :'( [17:00] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: "maintenance" [17:00] zero_cool [17:00] i want control.. and i dont want to have to do all sorts of seccond phase crap before i get to the action [17:01] thus even debian tends to annoy me [17:01] im sure if i had time, id love slack [17:01] WrongDevice (n=WrongDev@tdev213-38.codetel.net.do) left irc: Client Quit [17:01] WrongDevice (n=WrongDev@200.88.213.38) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Action: macavity mutters something about debian being frigid [17:01] what WM do you run on slack? [17:01] KDE [17:01] and yakuake [17:01] foureyes779 (n=theron_g@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [17:01] xfce [17:01] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:01] kde turned me off last i tried it [17:02] ok.. i actually run "yakuake with KDE underneath" most the time :P [17:02] im liking the gnome [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-180.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] then slackware is probably not for you :P [17:02] desklets and shit [17:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] lol, we have a ricer [17:02] zooooom [17:02] shardz_: have you tried KDE-4.2.x yet? [17:02] pink flowers all over my desktop [17:03] mac: yeah, it reminded me of vista too much :/ [17:03] gentoo? [17:03] Pig_Pen: s/t/p/ [17:03] s/t/p/ ? [17:03] stone temple pilots [17:03] where have i heard that? [17:03] ah [17:03] ok [17:03] sed s/t/p/ [17:03] lol [17:03] i don't like kde 4.x....3.5 worked find for me. [17:04] i say screw the elephant altogether [17:04] well might get used to it [17:04] too bloated [17:04] the stone temple pilots have a couple of good songs [17:04] 3.5.10 was the last release of the 3.x series afaik [17:04] gooph: 4.0 and 4.1 were outright awfull.. but 4.2 is actually kinda growing on me, and ive only used it for three days [17:04] i guess seing kde first come out trying to copy windows made a bad first impression on me [17:05] hmmm....i might have to give 4.2 a look then. [17:05] shardz_: the funny thing is that they set out to do this way before Vista was available as a Beta [17:05] thanks for the heads up macavity [17:05] yeah [17:05] well, i think enlightenment started it all out [17:05] shardz_: i followed much of the discustion, and watched the mockup drawings [17:05] bartas (n=bartas@siec.interblock.pl) left irc: No route to host [17:05] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:05] i wonder, why slackware have glib [17:06] e16 [17:06] it seems that glib is only for gtk apps [17:06] how can i get my desktop to make ubuntards go WOW is that the latest berylllll zomgggggg [17:06] gooph: there are still a few little funny things missing before it is back to feature parity with 3.5.10, but it is absolutely usable as it is... and it can actually do nice things [17:06] chowabunga: beryl is no more [17:07] hehe, YES! [17:07] chowabunga: there is compiz and compiz-fusion [17:07] how can i getz the shiny shiny on slackware [17:07] except eye-candy, does compiz really give you anythong? [17:07] chowabunga: maybe compiz/emerald [17:07] chowabunga: what graphics chip? [17:08] it makes me drool and babble incoherently [17:08] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] lets see, i like Creep (everyone does) and Plush is a good one too [17:08] macavity: yeah, ubuntu users are fuckin clueless, but it's a really good "beginner linux" [17:08] i like bright colors and flashy animations with cute sounds! im 3 [17:08] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-171-172-153.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] cmk_zzz: not a god damn thing, but the GF found it very nice that it "sucks" the apps down to the task bar, etc [17:08] i actually am starting to get my students used to using stuff like backtrack (for comparison) [17:08] macavity: I guess everything that sucks is sorta good [17:08] cmk_zzz: the visual feedback really help noobs grasping clue [17:08] a desktop should be cold, hard and ugly like a Russian turnip [17:09] Pig_Pen: in mother russia your desktop box spins you! [17:09] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] in soviet russia, the turnin is your desktop [17:09] turnip >.> [17:09] how cani make compiz blow my windows [17:09] s/box/cube/ [17:09] k well, im gonna go check out a motels wireless :p [17:09] bbl [17:09] necos: I'm not sure ubuntu is a good "beginner linux". It might be a good OS and easy to work but I am a bit afraid it is like saying VB is a good beginner programming language [17:09] lol [17:09] chowabunga: slackwiki [17:09] Elverig_ (n=chatzill@66-17-10-243.biz.bkfd.arrival.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [17:10] cmk_zzz: it's like a preview [17:10] i want my taskbar doing a constant blow fest [17:10] chowabunga: then get to it :P [17:10] j/k [17:10] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [17:10] im not really 3 years old [17:11] chowabunga: smoke some dope and you ll sew mickey mouse riding the big bad wolf on your desktop [17:11] .... and that was a joke too? :P [17:11] Floops (n=baihu@shellium/member/floops) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:11] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.194.235) left irc: Connection timed out [17:11] hey guys [17:11] what kind of dope makes yuo hallucinate? [17:11] ubuntu is just trying to be the answer to "grandma cant run linux" arguement, but it is pointless because those that are clueless about computers are clueless no matter what OS you put on it, sure some are easier than others but considering the botnets and viruses by the millions just shows windows is no answer for the clueless either [17:11] cmk_zzz: ubuntu is still very important for linux conversion... and it will be for quite some time [17:11] chowabunga: LSD is a good starting point [17:11] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:11] life saver diesel? [17:11] that strain definately doesnt make you trip [17:12] The reason I hate ubuntu is you get brain dead idiots using it and thinking they know "loads" about linux. [17:12] chowabunga: lysergaciddiatylamide [17:12] when infact the closest they probably get is apt-get [17:13] macavity> thats not "dope" [17:13] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Haven't heard weed being called dope in a looong time [17:14] compl3x: it is at this point that i feel like pointing out that even if you are a shell power user, you still dont nessecarily know very much about linux [17:14] mickey high light me [17:14] wake up !!! [17:14] what gets me since ubuntu is #1 at distrowatch and seems to be gaining in popularity nobody has exployed the fact that the real root is disable but sudo is easily defeated with making gnome keyring remember passwords since those types of users tend to click ok without considering the consecquences like on windows [17:14] Floops (n=baihu@irus.balgus.info) joined ##slackware. [17:14] compl3x: i like pope, the pope smokes dope [17:15] compl3x: you may, however, know quite a bit about GNUs implementation of the standard POSIX programs :P [17:15] macavity: true true but its just the general mainstream of it [17:15] exployted* [17:15] exploited [17:15] macavity: Smart arse :p [17:15] yeah [17:15] heh [17:15] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.84.104) left irc: "Leaving." [17:15] compl3x: yup, that's me :P [17:15] the pope smokes little white things [17:15] Action: compl3x pokes macavity in the eye with a large pointy stick [17:16] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] Action: compl3x just realized he has shaving foam in his ear.. hmm [17:16] Pig_Pen: but so long as remote root is disabled, it's ok [17:16] compl3x: s/pointy stick/stack of spec sheets/ [17:16] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] ;p [17:16] I think ubuntu has given up on the most important aspect of unix/linux. Educating its users to do things a "better" way. And I hate the term "user-friendly" becuase it has changed meaning to easy to learn. Those to are orthogonal [17:16] eventually i bet some malware will be downloaded and run taking advantage of that [17:16] Windows 7 !!!!!! [17:16] lol [17:17] windows 7, i guess in a few years they will be back up to windows 95 [17:17] compl3x: ok, i admit it, i am the local FSF/GNU Zealot(TM), guilty of every nuisance Linus and his freinds have accused us of.. and i am damn proud of it :P [17:17] ubuntu is for retards, case slosed [17:17] I think the main aspect of linux that is the reason I love it and use it is the fact - if i want to do something I can, if i want to change something to suit my needs, [17:18] macavity :P [17:18] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-201255.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "need sleep" [17:18] where as with windows - your limited, it all looks the same and the constant errors is mind boggling - thats why I hate ubuntu - it all looks the same [17:19] yeap [17:19] has anyone ran the windows 7 release client? [17:19] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:19] *candidate [17:19] its for steeds [17:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-214-174.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] gooph: god heavens no.. i am not an infidel [17:19] Im fed up of obese ubuntu fans on youtube . [17:19] cmk_zzz: you're never going to get the "perfect" linux for everybody [17:19] im starting to believe in eugenics [17:19] hrm.. write an article "I'm fat and I use Ubuntu" [17:19] haha [17:19] thanks to ubuntu and twitter [17:19] macavity: can you tell me then what you have to do to have copyrights assigned to the FSF (a requirement for contributions to GNU projects)? I couldn't find anything on their website [17:19] and digg and facebook [17:20] i'm running it now, the 2 best features are the windows xp virtual machine and the fact that you can uninstall ie pretty easy [17:20] I was going to install the RC in a VM, but only got to the point where you had to sign up for the key before I lost interest [17:20] haha MS3FGX: same [17:20] thanks to ubuntu and twitter _?????_ [17:20] psychicist: you write copyrights@fsf.org i belive [17:20] since mickysoft includes product activation and one OS per PC i will not waste my time and money on windows anymore, i made the decision to abandon windows when the news about XP's product activation first got out [17:20] psychicist: however, it is only a requirement for the very core project packages [17:21] psychicist: eg, for ncurses it is not required [17:21] when was XP first released? early 2001? [17:21] macavity: thanks, I will try that. I'm talking about things like glibc (and eglibc) [17:21] oh i agree Pig_Pen, but you will probably never get away from people running windows, so it pays to at least understand what's going on. [17:22] http://uk.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=UKTRE5436PQ20090504 [17:22] psychicist: try looking up Ulrick Drepper at redhat.com [17:22] psychicist: he will at least know, if all else fails [17:22] whats to understand about point and click, the control panel has been in the same place since win98 and in xp it is still in the same place [17:23] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.66.111) joined ##slackware. [17:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] hmmmm [17:23] Action: cmk_zzz points [17:23] psychicist: http://www.dreamsongs.com/IHE/IHE-110.html [17:23] Action: cmk_zzz clicks [17:24] haha wow [17:24] KABUL (Reuters) - Afghanistan's only known pig has been locked in a room, away from visitors to Kabul zoo where it normally grazes beside deer and goats, because people are worried it could infect them with the virus popularly known as swine flu. [17:24] arrrrg [17:24] mickysoft light me [17:24] stop, I wana sleep :p [17:24] Pig_Pen: :o [17:24] Zozma (n=Winter@69-29-228-190.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@host100-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:25] Pig_Pen, That is a vast understatement. I have worked in Unix administration for most of my professional life, and even I have to deal with Windows machines from time to time. The new changes in Vista and now 7 are game-changing in a lot of ways. [17:25] i just seen that on /. eglibc on debian, hmm, i will wait until the dust settles on that issue to see who all does what with it [17:25] I.E. networking configuration is very different. If you are approaching it with a 9X or even NT mindset, you are not going to get anywhere [17:26] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.111.69) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] Pig_Pen: I'm going to have a look at it, but Ulrich Drepper definitely has "attitude problems" [17:26] lol! i work construction not IT, i am just a few years away from turning 50, [17:28] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.171.13) left irc: [17:28] " in 2007 the Debian Project Leader sent an email criticizing Drepper for refusing to fix a bug on glibc on the ARM architecture because in Drepper's words it was 'for the sole benefit of this embedded crap.'" my answer would be just use eglibc on the arm and be done with it i think debian likes to fuss and fight with people [17:28] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host118-207-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:29] heh [17:29] Apparently Uli's nice in real life. He just doesn't quite know how to say nice things infront of his keyboard. [17:29] psychicist: My 2 Sheevaplus have arrived! [17:29] Drepper is mad [17:29] Action: MoZes is making a u-boot package , then a kernel, then will put Slackware ARM on it [17:29] like a "Mad Scientist" [17:29] rachael (n=nnrachae@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] probably next week. the instructions seem pretty simple. [17:30] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [17:31] rachael (n=nnrachae@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:31] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.70.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Pig_Pen, Why have a separate fork for that one architecture, when it could be made the code portable to work on everything? The issue was that Ulrich didn't feel ARM was a significant enough arch to make the required changes, which is not only an asinine judgment, but absolutely the wrong mindset to have in the OSS community [17:31] MoZes: good to hear, I've almost built 12.2 EABI up to completion and patches too [17:31] cool [17:32] Action: compl3x is finally running a successful update to current [= [17:32] Action: MoZes is going to get support for the Sheevaplug before starting on the abi [17:32] eabi [17:32] not only that, but ARM is the number one architecture in the world with MIPS in second place [17:32] you make a good point MS3FGX [17:33] psychicist, #1 for 8-bit: 6809, #1 for 16-bit: ARM7, #1 for 32-bit: >=ARM9, #1 for 64-bit: x86-64. [17:33] but when eglibc is implemented wont a heck of a lot of stuff (everything) have to be rebuilt and recoded to match it? [17:35] see, now you know why i work construction and not IT, because i am better with a nailgun than a keyboard [17:35] with Fedora ARM, Ubuntu/Debian and others getting an ARM port, I'd guess Uli will get some pressure to get the required bits into glibc [17:35] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] My understanding is that everything is binary compatible. So a program built with eglibc should work with glibc, and vice versa. But it seems really unlikely that it is going to work out perfectly like that without any glitches, so I imagine there is going to be a rough patch there as things are worked out [17:35] if ulrich wants glibc to be included he better, or it could be swept aside for eglibc [17:35] maxote: you're right, I was only considering 32-bit and up. embedded is a lot larger than desktops and servers alone. [17:36] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [17:36] ARM definitely can't be ignored. There is an insane amount of hardware running on ARM chips now, some people even think it will take over the netbook market, though I think Atom will more than hold it's own. But for handhelds, ARM is very very popular [17:36] Action: MoZes goes off [17:36] lots of stuff has third party patches, why not just have an arm patch for glibc and forget it? [17:36] it was only a few releases back that support for ARM and MIPS was moved to glibc-ports [17:37] ARM is an electronic architecture that wouldn't be wasted [17:37] what all runs on arm? those mini notebooks? PDA? smartphones? [17:38] everything you can imagine but probably can't see during your daily life [17:38] Pig_Pen: lots of wireless accesspoints, routers, switches etc [17:38] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: Client Quit [17:39] Pig_Pen: not to mention every recent phone.. they dont even have to be "smart phones" [17:39] ok, now i am getting the picture, lots of little appliances [17:39] Mostly anything handheld is using some ARM variant. Cell phones and PDAs are big consumers, some of the cheap netbooks are using ARM, but the big name ones (EEE, Wind, Mini9, etc) are still x86 [17:39] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [17:39] GPS [17:39] those too [17:39] Right, the little nav units are really popular right now too [17:40] then yes, the top dawg developers needs to include arm support [17:40] tomtom [17:40] But the ARM debate was just one issue people had with Ulrich. He has a history of being uncooperative, at best. [17:41] hes a goat in a sheep world? [17:41] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-29.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] http://yawoot.com/post/3078 [17:42] better than a sheep in a lions world [17:42] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] yeah [17:42] Action: rk4n3 thinks the goat probably has it pretty well [17:43] a ram is a male sheep and they can kick a goats ass all to heck :D [17:43] oh wait, I guess that's what I was thinking - a RAM in a sheep's world ) [17:43] :) [17:44] im a rhino [17:44] ... don't let me be the one to sign the contracts, folks ;) [17:44] WrongDevice (n=WrongDev@unaffiliated/wrongdevice) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:44] oh well, anyways all i can do is watch anyways, it is interesting the progess and changes that happen in Linux, [17:44] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "laters yall" [17:46] i need a shower, bbiaf [17:47] bah i hate work [17:47] but i gotta save up to buy some politicians [17:47] heh [17:47] i hate work too, but i hate going hungry even worse :D [17:47] maybea few news papers [17:48] I love work - but maybe I define the word "work" a little different than most :) [17:48] That crap I do all day for a paycheck is what I call "interruption in my day" [17:49] asheron (n=stephan@h1486370.stratoserver.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:49] rk4n3: "trading time for money" :P [17:49] macavity: indeed [17:49] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.36.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:50] grazymax (n=grazymax@host118-207-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:50] s/money/paper/ [17:51] every once in a while, the "interruption in my day" ends up involving the occaisional bit of actual "work", but that's so rare that I have to use my own time for most of my actual "work" [17:51] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [17:51] grazymax (n=grazymax@host43-155-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:51] where do you work [17:53] you mean, where does the "interruption in my day" take place ? [17:53] :) [17:53] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] gsan1 (n=gnoel@c-68-32-44-206.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [17:57] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.66.111) left irc: Connection timed out [17:57] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-124.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [17:59] stef_204 (n=stef@pool-71-99-147-74.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:00] andrew_ (n=andrew@ip68-100-194-47.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-29.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:01] i would be happer working for myself instead of working for someone else, then i could set my own hours and not have to worry about satisfying someone elses expectations, but then again i would be happy laying on a beach somewhere on a deserted island sipping a pina colada [18:02] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.70.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:02] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-38.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] if i worked for myself i would die of hunger [18:03] i am not good at self motivation :-/ [18:03] Nick change: andrew_ -> MidasManchu [18:05] Bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93.103.100.192) joined ##slackware. [18:06] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:06] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:08] macavity: welcome to my poor little world [18:09] i like working, I work way too much... I just no motivation to look for new work [18:12] Pig_Pen: ah but you would be working to statisfy your clients expectations and their hours ;) [18:12] mmlj4: u mean, for better job? [18:14] http://imagebin.org/48100 [18:15] pupit: for more work [18:15] though a decent job might work, too [18:15] yeah, i am afraid so, even if i owned my own business i would still have customers to please, damn! i guess you just can win [18:16] pupit: I'm a consultant [18:16] that does not speak to much for me mmlj4 [18:16] eather u are happy with it or not [18:16] Pig_Pen: actually I have had my own company .. it was way more work than working for someone. :) [18:16] simple as that [18:16] too* [18:17] pupit: I don't understand what you mean [18:17] pupit: I'm a consultant, I work for myself [18:17] Nick change: Bojevnik -> bojevnik [18:17] pupit: I hate sales, or looking for more clients [18:18] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] i understand u very well [18:18] but, eeather u are happy with your "life" or u change something about it.. right? [18:19] because, u can :) [18:19] you have a point [18:19] why the heck does dbus need xcb at all?!? [18:20] that is nothing short of plain wrong [18:21] isn't d-bus a thing created to be used for X apps? [18:21] no [18:21] it is a thing created for things that would in some way like to be notified by other things [18:21] eg, it is a message bus [18:22] all i can say is ... mew? [18:22] WOOF! [18:23] i still dont install either dbus or hal, and rebuild any app that requires them, kde & the Gimp is what i had to rebuild in 12.2 [18:23] you know .. i go into #ubuntu thinking it'll be ok, yet i join and its 1,500 people... and text scrolling by faster than a human should be able to read [18:23] grazymax (n=grazymax@host43-155-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93.103.100.192) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [18:23] Bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] tecky: I guess those ubuntu ppl are somehow superhuman [18:24] Bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:24] cmk_zzz, thus would seem so [18:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@host132-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Bojevnik (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Bojevnik_ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] ubuntu = a hyperactive child that wont sit still and wont shutup, you've seen them before [18:25] Bojevnik_ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:26] sudo apt-get install ritalin [18:26] alicephilippa (i=alice@78.105.168.173) joined ##slackware. [18:26] thorozine for the really bad cases [18:27] Pig_Pen: I was thinking more along the lines of people that look the the "any key" on a keyboard. [18:27] eh, so for those of us not following -current, what's the deal with libxcb? it's being removed, but its functionality is or isn't still there? [18:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) joined ##slackware. [18:28] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@166.70.89.42) joined ##slackware. [18:28] libxcb? is that part of xorg? [18:28] it's its own package in 12.1 [18:28] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:29] hey [18:29] Anyone got their ipod nano 3rd gen running under linux ? [18:29] Urchlay: nothing is happening to xcb-xlib in -current. No changes in the way x.org is setup there [18:29] ah, hm, from googling it looks like it's just a recompile, when/if it does happen [18:30] alienBOB: ok... heard someone in here talking about it the other day, whoever it was was smoking something funny then... [18:30] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] shardz_ (n=trey@dblt-216-227-24-77.gtcom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] Well, xcb-xlib will disappear when x.org gets updated [18:31] XGizzmo, so your telling me there's no any key on the keyboard, is that right?!?!?! [18:31] And since a lot of packages have a dependency on xcb-xlib, a lot will have to be recompiled after x.org gets its upgrade [18:33] at the source level nothing has to change though, right? [18:35] Action: cmk_zzz loves Oracle patching. 650Mb software install 1GB patch. Great! [18:35] first off i don't use grub, so excuse the ignorance in advance... I have a colleague here who installed fedora (ick) and it screwed up his windows side of the dual boot, anyone able to help me with grub? [18:36] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:36] hd0,0 = /dev/hda1 in grub ? [18:36] vastina: what's in his menu.lst? [18:36] his windows part is on /dev/sda5, so that would make the drive hd[0,4] [18:36] Nick change: XVar -> XVar`sleep [18:36] amazon10x: i'm just looking at grub.conf [18:36] do i need to pull up menu.lst? [18:37] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:37] Action: vastina has always hated grub, hates it more tonight [18:37] whast the key to get out of dosbox [18:37] i think menu.lst is where the juicy bits are [18:37] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] could've been changed to grub.conf though. i'm not sure [18:38] dumping both files in a pastebin would probably be easiest [18:38] ok, so where is it (it's loading right now), under /boot/grub/menu.lst? [18:38] yeah [18:38] i think (i'm doing this from memory. i haven't messed with grub for a while) [18:38] cool, let me get to this quick, don't have time for pastebin, i'm competant so go with that [18:38] :p [18:38] sounds good [18:40] bahhhhhhhh i just lost at dune2 because i didnt have the manual to answer some questions [18:40] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.88.125) joined ##slackware. [18:40] ok... so in menu.lst his windows is on /dev/sda5 so i have: rootnoverify (hd0,5) [18:40] makeactive [18:40] grazymax (n=grazymax@host132-96-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:40] chainloader +1 [18:40] oh, just saw this on google: grub.conf is a link to menu.lst on redhat and fedora [18:41] oh, well it looked the same anyway [18:41] quick quick i wanna go home, no offence btw [18:41] haha [18:41] Have a loot at this link http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#DOS_002fWindows [18:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:41] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-180-239-90.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:42] that looks correct [18:42] what happens when he tries to boot windows? [18:43] getting the 12th error [18:43] vastina: it's rootnoverify (hd0,4) for /dev/sda5, grub has a CLI so you can try before committing (and buying) [18:43] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:43] oh yeah. zero indices for gub [18:43] frub* [18:43] grub* [18:43] Channel flood from amazon10x -- kicking [18:43] lol [18:43] amazon10x kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:43] lol [18:43] teeeheee :P [18:43] error 12: cannot mount selected partition [18:44] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-547bc7800d3db101) joined ##slackware. [18:44] oops [18:44] amazon10x: pwnd by slackboy :P [18:44] HAHAhahahahahahHHHAEeeeeeeeee [18:44] psychicist: yeah i ave that in there [18:45] what happens if you go into the editor and just type "(hd" and use tab completion after that? [18:45] and i'm not going to use the CLI at boot time, i'm in the fedora, and i'm editing the /boot/grub/grub.conf file [18:45] maybe the SATA drive is hd1 [18:45] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:45] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:45] then why would it pull fedora on the same type of mapup? [18:46] oi... i wish i had the answer now, i really don't have time for this grub bull [18:46] is there one hdd with windows on one partition and linux on another? [18:46] sorry if i'm ansy [18:46] no, all on the same disk, sliced into logical parts [18:46] window stick off [18:46] oops :\ [18:47] what happens if you omit "makeactive"? [18:47] ajuna (n=ajuna@97-126-211-220.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Afghanistan's only known pig has been locked in a room [18:48] omitting makeactive... [18:48] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] Pig_Pen: judging from your nick, this is a very important situation to you? [18:48] same bs [18:49] ready for next suggestionb [18:49] did you try bringing up the grub cmd line and tab completing (hd [18:49] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:49] http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5444XQ20090505 here it is amazon10x if you want to read about it [18:50] oh, because of the flu [18:50] limac (n=chatzill@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] ok typed rootnoverfy (hd (tab) on the tab i see my part on 4 [18:51] but it says filessytem type unknown [18:51] that help? [18:52] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-38.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:52] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-173.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] anyone around? [18:52] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [18:52] what do you mean by "my part on 4" [18:52] Pig_Pen: I find it more annoying that Egypt is putting down most their pigs living close to densely populated areas [18:52] cor i hate when BS like this happens at the end of the day [18:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] if "rootnoverify (hd0,4)" followed by "chainloader +1" doesn't work, I don't know what the problem is either [18:52] partition 4 under grub being /dev/sda5 [18:53] psychicist: i'm trying that now... [18:53] oh i know. i bet the grub part is working properly and the windows boot loader got messed up [18:53] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.10.225) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:54] vastina, did you ever look at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#DOS_002fWindows ? It might give you some ideas [18:54] cmk_zzz: yes i did... long before i brought this up in here even [18:54] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [18:54] rodrigo (n=rocch@unaffiliated/notaffiliated) joined ##slackware. [18:54] now it's saying A disk read error occured [18:54] any ideas? [18:55] psychicist: those two lines you're expecting are what i'm using [18:55] and i'm getting this... [18:55] i seriously hate grub [18:55] so badly [18:56] OMeil (n=oliver@CPE-124-180-160-153.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:56] doing rootnoverify (hd,4) ; chainloader +1 [18:56] are you sure it is actually /dev/sda5 that should be booted, not something else? [18:56] sure as the sun mate [18:56] that's not correct, they should be on two separate lines [18:56] or if you're implying that, never mind my suggestion [18:56] i put the semicolon on so i could show you in the channel here they're on two seperates [18:57] one more thing [18:57] it should be (hd0,4) [18:57] hi all, my sound does not work, when kde starts i get something about sound being set to null because /dev/dsp couldn't be opened [18:57] hd0,4 = /dev/hda5 [18:57] ? [18:58] not really, it's the first hard drive mapped in BIOS [18:58] OMeil, did you add your user account you're logging into KDE with, in the 'audio' group? [18:58] psychicist: it was i'm just in a hurry and mistyping into the channel [18:58] we're on the same page though [18:58] Old_Fogie, I'm logging in as root [18:58] ! [18:58] OMeil, no good. did you run 'alsaconf' as root yet, especially before starting X/kde ? [18:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-130-44.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:59] grazymax (n=grazymax@host1-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:59] vastina: this definitely looks like either a messed up grub or windows bootloader [19:00] psychicist: yeah, it's not mine, i avoid grub like the plague personally, just trying t help a colleague before i walk out the door [19:00] not sure what the deal is [19:00] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] greetings and salutations [19:01] wotcha andarius :) [19:01] andarius: salve! [19:01] hello andarius [19:01] wotcha BP{k} :) [19:01] salutations vastina and Old_Fogie [19:02] vastina: i bet the windows boot loader is messed up [19:02] Old_Fogie, nope :) [19:03] Old_Fogie, first time using slackware :( [19:03] you probably don't have time now, but tell your guy to get a windows cd and to boot it and check out the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the recovery console [19:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427949.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] he'll probably have to do fixboot and fixmbr and then he'll have to reinstall grub after that [19:04] this is weird, because I have done installs of linux (not fedora) with grub in the mbr and vista chainloaded [19:04] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-153-94.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] i have an install of fedora on this very laptop i'm typing at with the chainloader and it works properly [19:04] yeah you're right, thank you all so much! have a good night! [19:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:05] good night [19:05] OMeil, some cards still need that to be done. you'll want to exit kde, log into a terminal, using ctrl+alt+f6 for example, log in a root there, and run 'alsconf' as root, let it detect your sound card. you'll then want to use 'alsamixer' as root, after wards, to review your volumes of each of the sound channels, etc. then hit 'esc' to exit it, then use 'alsactl store' to save the settings. look at slackwiki and slackbook [19:05] for more help. be sure to add a regular user to your system, and add them to the audio group in /etc/group file. and _do-not_ log in as root. ok? [19:05] can you mount and look at your windows install? how do you know for sure that when installing Linux you did not accidently wipe or bork your windows install? [19:05] OMeil, all those commands, you can use "man alsaconf" or 'man alsamixer' if you have questions, and you shouold read them, they are a short but good read. [19:06] gr_u1 (n=McBrutal@93.126.83.76) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Old_Fogie, Sure thing, im logged in as root because i didn't get a choice to create a user account, it says darkstar login: whichi thought was weird :D [19:06] OMeil: useradd [19:06] useradd omeil [19:06] passwd omeil ? [19:07] then enter the password right? or wrong? [19:07] yup [19:07] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] ah cool, thanks for the info guys [19:07] OMeil, ok, the 'darkstar' thing, is becuase you didn't set a "hostname" of the pc, so the default fall back is darkstar. that can be edited/created with 'netconfig' as root, as I presume your other network stuff might not be in the best state [19:07] actually. you might want "adduser" [19:08] Old_Fogie, Yeah im in ubuntu atm because i couldn't get my wifi working, i mean i got it to connect to the router and get an ip and ping but i can't get access to the internet [19:08] OMeil: http://slackbook.org/html/essential-sysadmin.html#ESSENTIAL-SYSADMIN-USERS-SCRIPTS that section talks about how to add a user [19:08] and read what the adduser presents you with, there's other groups that are good to be in [19:09] rodrigo (n=rocch@unaffiliated/notaffiliated) left irc: Client Quit [19:10] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. 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[19:15] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:15] and yeah, i still say "folder" all the time [19:15] drive/device doesn't matter [19:15] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] yeah, same fs, same drive [19:16] yup, then it should be fast as a flash [19:16] i think my slack install just killed itself. it's been sitting at the bind pkg for about 10 mins now [19:16] if it's the same filesystem, then it will be fast. [regardless of whether it's on the same device] [19:17] oh woah. that's weird. i pressed a key and it started flying through packages again [19:18] wow, installing from a 100mb ftp is very nice [19:19] this installer would probably be faster if it used a single persistent ftp connection to download all the packages, wouldn't it? 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[19:27] where can i find a description of x11.startwithblackscreen ? [19:28] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [19:30] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-October/133423.html ? [19:31] gr_u1 (n=McBrutal@93.126.83.76) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:32] 1or maybe [19:32] http://markmail.org/message/j6wvo7qt4k62fpfa [19:33] PatV doesn't have explodepkg working with .txz packages. Or at least when I just tried it, it failed. [19:33] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-200-39.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [19:34] ag3ntugl1 (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] question for you all: in your sudoers file do you just put "youraccount ALL=(ALL) ALL" [19:35] that's what i do, but i'm wondering if it's a bad idea for some reason [19:35] http://pastebin.com/f1269df26 i want a job as a diesel fitter :D [19:36] limac (n=chatzill@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [19:36] :) [19:37] OMeil (n=oliver@CPE-124-180-160-153.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:38] amazon10x: the risk is that its more open to unwanted hacks, as you are giving su powers to your users, and as sudo cache the access for some time [19:38] someone might try to abuse it... su you have to enter the password every time [19:39] but isnt a big issue [19:39] okay, thanks [19:39] specially if you lock the screen every time and have a very low screensaver+lock timeout [19:40] i want to set this system up so that it'll ignore all incoming traffic unless i specifically allow that port, and i want to set it up so that if someone tries to login to ssh serveral times with wrong username/pass then it'll ignore their ip [19:40] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [19:40] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:40] do i use iptables to do that? [19:41] yes [19:42] for the ports at least [19:42] obviously [19:42] what was your question again? [19:42] is deny.hosts still effective? [19:42] Action: cmk_zzz is seriously confused. Thinking about the poor pig in afganistan [19:42] Pig_Pen it is for inetd services [19:42] two questions i guess. i want a firewall basically. i need all incoming traffic ignored unless i specifically allow it on a port [19:43] i have a lot in common with that Afghani pig [19:43] other question: i want to setup ssh so that after so many failed login attempts from an IP, it'll ignore that IP [19:43] i am the only Pig_Pen in ##slackware, and that pig is the only pig in afghanistan [19:44] amazon10x: denyhosts or fail2ban from SBo, and alienBOB's firewall generator. [19:45] I use fail2ban on my servers. It's OK. [19:45] chopp: is the firewall generator on his slack page? [19:46] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [19:46] excellent. i'll read all the stuff on that page. thanks [19:47] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:49] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:49] rodrigo (n=rocch@unaffiliated/notaffiliated) joined ##slackware. [19:50] http://pastebin.com/d113782aa [19:51] Wilduck (n=erik@c126h098.wless.reed.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:52] hey guys, I'm having trouble connecting to the internet via ethernet on my slackware box [19:52] after doing a lspci, I can see that my ethernet controller is detected [19:52] and I'm not sure where to go from here [19:52] any suggestions? [19:52] chowabunga: how many times did it need to read the robots.txt file to finally understand it? :P [19:52] did you run netconfig [19:53] yeah, it didn't help [19:53] i dunno its going crazy :P [19:53] http://pastebin.com/d7ed15f80 [19:53] always wondered how many poorly-written bots would crash with buffer overflows if you symlink /dev/urandom to robots.txt [19:54] Wilduck what network card is it? [19:54] maybe it is a malacious robots.txt file designed to crash web spider crawlers [19:54] maybe [19:54] (normally the ones polite enough to read robots.txt aren't the nasty ones though) [19:55] Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c900B-TPO Etherlink XL [Cyclone] [19:55] from lspci [19:55] is that what you were looking for? [19:55] yes [19:55] mmm, how old's that 3com card? [19:55] verify the correct module is loaded [19:56] I'm not exactly sure [19:56] it's an old computer I got off a guy on craigslist [19:56] lsmod or ifconfig -a [19:56] ag3ntugl1 (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:56] I recall there being 2 modules that sorta overlapped on those old 3com cards... like 3c59x and 3c90x maybe [19:57] what should I be looking for in lsmod or ifconfig? [19:57] I can't print the results to a pastebin... [19:57] eth0 or a 3com module [19:57] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] lsmod|grep 3c <--- see if any 3com driver at all got loaded [19:57] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-113-163.lijbrandt.net) left irc: "never push the red button... never... oops..." [19:58] lsmod|grep 3c gives me two results [19:58] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-173.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:58] 3c59x [19:58] and mii [19:58] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-5.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] looks like recent 2.6 kernels don't have 3c9xx module any more, either [19:58] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [19:58] that ought to be the correct driver [19:58] hmmm [19:58] does "ifconfig -a" show an eth0 device? (assuming this is your first/only network card?) [19:58] yes [19:59] it shows one [19:59] and gives me some addresses [19:59] I'm not sure what they mean though... [19:59] do you have an inet addr: entry? [19:59] yes [19:59] should I copy it here? [20:00] why not [20:00] 134.10.18.137 [20:00] are you on dhcp or static? [20:00] ethtool -i eth0 ? [20:00] dhcp [20:00] you appear to have gotten a DHCP lease, then [20:00] ethtool -i eth0 gives me a driver, but no version or firmware version [20:01] a DHCP leas? [20:01] does "route -n" show a gateway for 0.0.0.0 (aka a default route)? [20:01] Wilduck, it wont always give a version [20:01] well you didn't manually assign 134.10.18.137, did you? [20:01] I didn't [20:01] if not, that had to have come from a DHCP server [20:01] Wilduck, but at least yo uknow the driver fwiw [20:01] ok [20:01] you at Reed College? [20:01] yes... [20:01] =P [20:02] then it's even on the correct network :) [20:02] so why can't I connect to the internet? [20:02] so. "route -n" and look for a 0.0.0.0 line at the bottom [20:02] it gives me three lines [20:02] and 7 columns [20:02] does the bottom one have 0.0.0.0 in the left-hand column? [20:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [20:02] yes [20:03] does it have a valid-looking IP in the 2nd column? [20:03] Destination 0.0.0.0 [20:03] eth0 [20:03] yes [20:03] Ok, good, so cat /etc/resolv.conf [20:03] genmask 0.0.0.0 [20:03] try pinging the IP from the 2nd column (that's your default gateway) [20:03] grazymax (n=grazymax@87.13.247.218) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:03] 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 [20:04] cat: search reed.edu [20:04] that's not "0.0.0.0 in the left-hand column" dude [20:04] 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 [20:04] ? [20:04] you need dns servers [20:04] Wilduck: I thought chowabunga was you... [20:04] oh, ok [20:05] hm, resolv.conf is just one line, "search reed.edu"? [20:05] yes [20:05] use opennic or opendns servers [20:05] use 68.87.68.162 [20:05] I'm not sure what you're asking me to do... [20:05] what should I use it for? [20:05] nameserver 68.87.68.162 [20:06] put that in your resolve.conf [20:06] (that's one of reed.edu's DNS servers, I can use it, and I'm not even on their network...) [20:06] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [20:06] Urchlay> orly?! [20:06] no, not really [20:06] .... [20:06] it's my ISPs, I read nslookup output wrong [20:06] ok, done [20:07] no go to opendns.org and get their nameservers from the bottom of the page [20:07] I dunno if my comcast DNS server is going to work for you [20:07] put them all in resolv.conf [20:07] try 134.10.2.33, that really is a reed.edu DNS server [20:07] and then? [20:07] then you are done [20:08] ...unless his network's got a firewall rule to keep him from querying outside DNS servers [20:08] twanny_ (n=twanny@85.232.202.111) joined ##slackware. [20:08] did you set your crap up for dhcp in netconfig? and their dhcp server didnt give you dns??? [20:08] yes [20:08] I really appreciate the help guys [20:08] so you set your own dns servers and it should work if you have av alid ip [20:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] anyone with experience on installing linux wifi on dell latitude c640? [20:08] you've given me a lot of good pointers [20:08] but I've got to run [20:08] thanks so much [20:08] 134.10.2.33 looks like it really will work, and it's the "closest" server (you'll get better performance, unless it's a crappy DNS server) [20:08] Yes, but the next time he restarts /etc/resolv/.conf is overwritten [20:08] mylovingslack (i=1000@114.121.63.58) joined ##slackware. [20:08] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] dhcpcd -R, IIRC [20:09] the dhcp server usually supply the dns servers [20:09] you'd hope [20:09] well yeah, but for some ungodly reason, his didn't... [20:10] maybe it's doing something retarded like using WINS as a DNS proxy [20:11] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.73) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [20:11] perhaps. Anyway dhcpcd -R does the trick [20:11] mylovingslack (i=1000@114.121.63.58) left ##slackware. [20:11] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-230-188-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:12] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.88.125) left irc: [20:13] rodrigo (n=rocch@unaffiliated/notaffiliated) left irc: Client Quit [20:16] grazymax (n=grazymax@host131-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:16] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-230-188-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] im back! [20:17] Linux neosapien 2.6.29.2 #1 SMP Wed May 6 12:32:37 EDT 2009 i686 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 244 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [20:18] slacknode (i=0@c-71-56-242-212.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-5.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Viva REVOLUCION!" 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[20:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:28] acidchil1 (n=victoria@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Hai! [20:28] helo acidchil1 [20:28] s/helo/hello [20:30] helo 2 u [20:30] 2 [20:30] Hummm... which does anyone think is better? Blackberry or a THC phone? [20:30] s/THC/HTC/ [20:31] thc ftw [20:31] :( [20:31] haha yeah I know I'm having a bad day at typing apparently :D [20:32] lf4, BB is going to be better for mobile email and integration, but if you are just trying to get the most possible features than go with HTC Touch Pro or similar. Or a G1 if you are on T-Mobile [20:32] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:33] MS3FGX: Basic email, phone, SMS/MMS, web surfing and as a 3G modem. Thats all I'm looking for haha I keep talking my self back and forth between a HTC and BB. [20:33] acidchil1 (n=victoria@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:34] nheco__ (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [20:34] What carrier are you on? [20:34] Thats the thing I am looking at carriers so thats not to big of a deal right now. [20:34] how bout get a pager [20:35] Verizon or AT&T are the two main ones. [20:35] chowabunga: a pager for all the things I mentioned? [20:35] t-mobile has better customer service [20:35] screw at&tumor [20:35] If you are not locked in to any particular carrier, then definitely go with the G1 on T-Mobile. TM's coverage is not great outside of metropolitan areas though, so keep that in mind. [20:35] Yeah T-Mobile was really good when I was with them but they dont offer 3G in my area. [20:35] Hey lf4. How are you today? [20:36] hey firebird619 I'm doing well how about yourself? [20:36] lf4: Doing great, just got back home. Went out of town and took a ton of cloud pictures. :) [20:37] ... [20:37] lf4: 237 to be exact. :) [20:37] i took a bunch of GRASS pictures [20:37] firebird619: Oh cool why did you take a trip? Haha nice [20:37] If you are willing to wait a few months, you might go with the Calgary on Verizon. Looks very very cool so far. VZW/Motorola's first Android phone, slide out keyboard with the Razr aesthetic going. [20:37] lf4: went shopping with my mom, sister, and nephew. [20:37] Oh nice :) [20:37] Or else Palm Pre on Sprint, looks very nice too. [20:38] lf4: and seen some great clouds along the way. [20:38] :D [20:38] persistent contrails? :P [20:38] MS3FGX: Calgary Humm.. I'll have to check that out. [20:39] Omeil (n=oliver@CPE-124-180-160-153.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:39] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] It is going to be my next phone, for sure. [20:39] MS3FGX: the thing is I dont really like the side phones like that. [20:40] Hi all, im having an issue with connecting to the internet from slackware, at first i thought it was a wifi problem but i connected to the network via cable and i can't ping or browse outside of my network, although i can ping the router and the lan xp machines? [20:40] firebird619> http://chemtrails.cc/images/contrails_nasa.jpg [20:40] I heard BB's are propritary with blackberry is that correct? [20:40] What HTC were you thinking of then? The best HTCs are the slide ones [20:40] Well it is a completely proprietary OS, yeah [20:40] Omeil: do you have DNS set on the computer? [20:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] chowabunga: nah, didn't see anything like that today, but some nice clouds none the less. [20:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] Woo hoo [20:42] i got my desktop on the internet :D [20:42] lf4, i think i do, in slackware kde where do i check that exactly? [20:42] hey acidchild. How are you? [20:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:43] heeyy, much better now thanks! [20:43] MS3FGX: I was thinking if I got that I'd go with VZW HTC Touch Diamond or the BB Bold for AT&T. [20:43] i used my girlfriends laptop to steal wifi and running my desktop off NAT on her laptop [20:43] =] [20:43] will do for the time being until i get internet installed [20:43] =) [20:43] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Connection timed out [20:43] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.39.175) left irc: Success [20:43] nice new desk from IKEA :D [20:43] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:43] acidchild: sounds like a good day then. :D [20:44] Omeil: open a term and do route -v [20:44] it had its good parts and bad parts :) [20:44] don't they all. [20:44] route -v Ew ! [20:44] acidchild: lol what? [20:44] route and ifconfig are just nastay [20:44] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:44] narstay* [20:44] ;P [20:44] haha [20:44] lf4, il have to restart cause i dual booted into ubuntu [20:44] what do you use then? [20:44] iproute2? ;/ [20:45] Ahh don't you have another system to be on? [20:45] lf4, What about the Storm? Certainly the best overall Blackberry, though software support is a little behind currently. [20:45] lf4, laptops in the car :D [20:45] MS3FGX: i need a new phone, my blackberry is b0rk3d... [20:46] but the storm just doesn't grab me like it should. [20:46] MS3FGX: Yeah that was another one I was thinking about. [20:46] lf4, il route -v see what that gives. and il check DNS. il try netconfig again aswell [20:46] Omeil (n=oliver@CPE-124-180-160-153.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] where do i disable video4linux in the kernel [20:47] firebird619: new mouse and keyboard as i'm quitting smoking :) [20:47] MS3FGX: I would prefer GSM instead of CDMA but VZW is only on CDMA :P [20:47] don't smoke in my new place... so no more ashtray style keyboards. [20:47] CDMA is bs ;/ [20:48] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] acidchild: Yeah I know which is why I am really thinking about going over to AT&T [20:48] grazymax (n=grazymax@host131-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] MidasManchu (n=andrew@ip68-100-194-47.dc.dc.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:48] acidchild: cool, what keyboard and mouse do you use now then? [20:48] just no name :D [20:48] and some standard usb logitech [20:48] cool. [20:48] black and simple. [20:48] so how was youuuuurr day? [20:48] =] [20:49] Well, CDMA has better coverage in the US, and the downsides versus GSM are not really that big of a deal for most people. Of course it is all kind of moot because we will be seeing LTE in a year or two anyway. [20:49] LTE is that replacing GSM? [20:49] VZW also has a few GSM/CDMA hybrids now too, if you really wanted something GSM. Actually, the Storm is one of them. [20:49] you really think in a year or two? [20:50] try 5-6 years... [20:50] acidchild: My day's went great, went shopping with my mom, sister, and nephew, took 237 pictures of clouds. All in all, a great day. [20:50] It is replacing everything. [20:50] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:50] haha took 104 pictures of clouds [20:50] wicked :D [20:50] MS3FGX: The one thing is the Storm does not have Wifi support. [20:50] lf4: really? O.o [20:50] you 100% sure? [20:50] acidchild: :P, yeah, I took a ton of pictures today. [20:50] :) [20:51] :( [20:51] acidchild: Here's the keyboard/mouse I have: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=094 [20:51] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-185.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] acidchild, Verizon's rolling out LTE towers this year. It will be awhile before coverage is usable outside of heavily populated areas, but they will be carrying LTE phones by years end [20:51] acidchild: Yeah I'm on BB's site and they dont say it does. [20:52] some of the curves do. [20:52] MS3FGX: Humm I need to contact Verizon about that and find out when they plan on having that in the Salt Lake Area. [20:52] I'm not saying BB does not have Wifi just the Storm doesn't. [20:52] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:52] why are telecoms allowed to blast us with em pollution [20:52] i'm sick of my face peeling. [20:52] bastards should pay me [20:52] its fucking nasty [20:53] That is supposedly one of their bargaining chips with Apple. They are way ahead of anyone else in terms of LTE adoption, which could be very lucrative for the next gen iPhone. Plus Apple agreed to not put out a CDMA iPhone as part of the AT&T agreement, which is a nice loophole now [20:53] lol did you get sunburned? [20:53] i spent last week arc welding [20:53] so yeah, sunburn [20:53] Oh yeah. [20:53] I know what you mean. [20:53] its fucking nasty [20:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:53] i look like i have some nasty hooker STD [20:53] mmm maybe not _that_ bad. [20:54] hmmm, well, good evening ;p [20:54] haha acidchild you had that for years.... ;) [20:54] :D [20:54] Hey Camarade_Tux. How are you? [20:54] Good evening Camarade_Tux [20:54] lf4: its good money ;] [20:54] firebird619, hey :) [20:54] lf4, hey too :) [20:54] lf4: all them deprived wives out there. [20:55] me is doing pretty well, although I'd better go to bed ;) [20:55] haha humm maybe I should get in to that business then. [20:55] :> [20:55] yeah its way past your bed time Camarade_Tux :D [20:55] 3am :) [20:56] time to get up and deliver the paper [20:56] and on tomorrow, well, I have to wake up at... he, I don't have to wake up :p [20:56] p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77kjRuvhbik [20:56] look at the size of that video on HD [20:56] i didn't know youtube was now accepting videos of that size. [20:56] size/quality. [20:57] acidchild: wow, that's nice. [20:57] they increased the size they accept quite recently [20:58] lf4: I even took some pictures in negative. My camera has that mode for negative pictures. Turned out interesting. [20:58] Haha firebird619 I bet they did :) [20:58] lf4: that sure is a cool effect. [21:01] compilizoring kernelzorz [21:01] Haha I would do that on the computer :) [21:02] lf4: http://www.imgur.com/IK2a [21:02] wow haha it looks like snow/frosh at night sorta. That is cool :) [21:03] lf4: yeah, it looks really cool. It's sure unique. [21:03] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [21:04] lf4: There were a few times today where it would have been cool to have a 20x zoom like your camera has. :P [21:04] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Omeil (n=Omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:05] I know what you mean, I've been in situations like that before. [21:05] you know that you can take old negatives from a regular film camera and scan em with a flatbed scanner then save as jpg, png whatever then use photo editor like gimp and in in the menu select "Colors" > Invert to make them as normal photos [21:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] Pig_Pen: :) Yep I have a G4010 that does just that :) [21:06] you know th at boogers are salty? [21:06] Pig_Pen: I have a scanner that can scan negatives, I've never scanned a negative though. [21:06] lf4, Yup it was DNS problem, i thought the router would handle DNS but i guess not :) thx. im on slackware now but i don't have sound when i boot i get this error Sound server informational message: [21:06] Error while initializing the sound driver: [21:06] device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) [21:06] Channel flood from Omeil -- kicking [21:06] The sound server will continue, using the null output device. [21:06] Omeil kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:06] lol [21:07] who likes corn? [21:07] hahaha [21:07] Omeil (n=Omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:07] Action: lf4 me [21:07] woopsy [21:07] Omeil: glad to hear it :) [21:07] we should have a corn party [21:07] lf4, i thought my paste would be pasted in a line :D got kicked [21:07] Omeil: Yeah its happened to lots in here :) [21:08] lf4, hehe, oh with the sound problem i ran alsaconf and my sound card got detected CA0106 all went fine, then i ran alsamixer and increased my sound setting then alsactl store [21:09] OMFG, i found the worst site today. Idiocracy to the max. http://whythefuckdoyouhaveakid.com [21:09] wow exactly what the alsa INSTALL would say....hmm slackware tastes vanilla [21:09] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] lf4, but slackware seems to be seeing my vid cards HDMI sound output as the first card [21:10] wow agentc0re that is messed up. [21:10] Omeil: try editing xorg.conf to fix that [21:11] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:12] http://9.media.tumblr.com/O5dig2ziemnwzelahflVSYJIo1_500.jpg [21:12] http://www.imgur.com/2UQd.jpg <-- LOL ! [21:13] lf4, slackwares xorg.conf handles audio aswell? [21:13] haha sorry no it does not Omeil lol I'm half in here and half doing research :) [21:13] lf4: Ya, i can't believe some of the shit i saw on there. [21:14] agentc0re, mumma needs another little helper [21:14] lol [21:15] heviarti (n=ptpChat2@70-14-184-233.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] time to go to bed, good night everyone :) [21:15] night Camarade_Tux [21:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] freak!!! "Because Car seats are over r8ed" What the heck who would ever do that to their baby. [21:16] wtf is drivers/uwb/ [21:16] xorg handle audio? probably about as good as alsa handles glx [21:17] haha Pig_Pen that was my mistake :P [21:18] anyone here successfully connected a palm centro to linux? [21:19] rvwinkle (n=Miranda@76.184.14.140) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Omeil (n=Omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:21] Nick change: nheco__ -> nheco [21:24] anyone here successfully mated with a female? [21:25] chowabunga: I think only Pig_Pen can clam that ;) [21:25] haha [21:25] chow: I have been successful... [21:26] Omeil (n=Omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Dominian: ping [21:27] Action: heviarti wants to inseminate Ashley more. [21:27] lf4, I fixed it :D, just had to option out my ATI card HDMI sound and set my real audio card as default and then alsamix it up [21:27] Good to hear :) [21:27] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:27] Omeil: Isn't that why she had him? :) [21:28] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:28] i meant a female human [21:28] agentc0re, haha, still can't believe people actually do these sort of things in front of children [21:29] I keep trying to get four channel sound out of my emu10k. possible? [21:29] Omeil: What gets me the most is the, "Lets take a picture when we're preggers and we're only 16, YEEEEYYYY!!!!" [21:30] Thats so sad. [21:30] It'll be the moment to remember for the rest...of...our.......lives............ [21:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] So... BB Storm on VZW's network or BB Bold on AT&T I cant make up my mind... [21:31] Action: agentc0re needs more liquor. [21:32] Oh and did you all hear or see about the damn KFC coupon thing going on right now? [21:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [21:32] agentc0re: lol what is that? [21:34] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [21:34] unthinkkfc.com [21:34] or google kfc coupon [21:35] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] opera spread some chaos about some free food. [21:36] agentc0re: I got those coupons and ate that KGC meal today. :P [21:36] firebird619: you mean kfc? [21:36] It's been months since I had KFC [21:36] agentc0re: lol no its KGC meal [21:36] firebird619: and how'd you install that shittastic adware "coupon printer" of theirs? [21:36] i haven't ahd kfc for like 5 years [21:36] agentc0re: yeah, but they call the grilled chicken KGC. [21:36] KGC? [21:37] oh grille [21:37] agentc0re: It's a pdf download, I didn't have to install anything. [21:37] er grilled [21:37] Kentucky Grilled Chicken [21:37] mmmm [21:37] imho, that meal was really good. [21:37] rvwinkle (n=Miranda@76.184.14.140) left irc: [21:37] really? go to unthinkkfc.com is where i was directed and i had to download some exe of a "coupon printer" [21:38] I actually got asked today to unblock this shit from our webfilter. [21:38] has any one had luck running wine with Half Life 2 Source games or mods without a gargantuant amount of error messages and problems? [21:38] So i left work at that point and went to the bar. [21:38] i was so pissed the hell off. [21:38] play Konquest [21:38] epic battles [21:38] agentc0re: I didn't have to at all, that's the site I went too. [21:39] ajuna: I run half life 2 from steam. [21:39] what Ifind interesting about ubuntu is it's easy to install, but the slackware dvd has all the packages I need. Once kubuntu is installed I need another gig or so of apps [21:39] agentc0re: oh what the heck, it changed since I was there, now they do have some coupon thing. Oh well, I saved the pdf. :P [21:39] how did you get steam working? [21:39] ajuna, Last time I tried in WINE, Half Life 2 ran basically perfectly (well, Garrys Mod at least). Aside from being very very slow. Though it doesn't run a whole lot faster under XP on this machine either, so that is more my hardware than anything [21:39] firebird619: LOL [21:39] firebird619: so they changed their tactics. [21:39] agentc0re: indeed they did. [21:40] buggers [21:40] firebird619: thats hilarious! hahaha [21:40] Hmm if I could get it to work flawlessly I could finally ditch Vista [21:40] agentc0re: So you didn't get the coupon at all? [21:40] I block PDF's at work since adobe's issues.. I've been working on a solution to remove adobe entirely from my network and install an alternative but it's a long hard process. [21:40] Have you tried it in Cedega? It must certainly have some optimizations for it, it is an exceptionally popular game [21:41] firebird619: Click on that link on their site and see what it takes you to. [21:41] firebird619: Linux is safe from their bs. [21:41] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:41] ajuna: Just ditch it. [21:41] indeed it is. :) [21:41] ditch what? vista? I love gaming though [21:41] ajuna: Then find a life outside of your games, and you have a nice stable os. [21:41] :P [21:41] haha [21:41] agentc0re: did you want the coupon? [21:42] well I have issues with audio too. I can't find a gapless linux player for DJ mixes [21:42] firebird619: Heh, sure. agentc0re at learnix dot net [21:42] k [21:42] hba (n=hba@189.188.142.157) joined ##slackware. [21:42] kfc food full of MSG so AVOID KFC altogether imho [21:42] Arnorak puts digital pops between my tracks for whatever reason [21:42] firebird619: i'll send it to everyone that bitched about having it at work on the same day it expires. [21:42] lol [21:42] jkroll (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:43] haha [21:43] ajuna: what sound card? what version of slackware? [21:43] Creative X-Fi [21:43] 12.2 [21:43] Last time i ate at KFC, and the last time for sure, i (not shit you) got a brain with my dinner. [21:44] er amarok sorry, that's what I meant [21:44] you might want to look at updating your kernel to 2.6.29.X to see if that fixes it. [21:44] agentc0re: yummy ;) [21:44] okay I'll give it a shot [21:44] gnubien: Heh, you're telling me [21:44] I think i got video of it. [21:44] agentc0re: It's sent to you. :) [21:45] can't really see the brain all that well though. [21:45] Like a Boss!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c [21:45] I haven't used slackware in 6 years though. I'm a little rusty. Back then it required a lot of time to setup right. Stupid Xfree86 [21:45] agentc0re: you got a brain with your dinner? [21:45] firebird619: Yup! [21:45] getting linux to run always took me several days to iron out all the bugs. I just want my shit to work [21:45] Let me find the video and i'll upload it. [21:46] heviarti (n=ptpChat2@70-14-184-233.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] agentc0re: was the brain packed with knowledge? :P [21:46] heviarti (n=ptpChat2@174-144-102-170.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] chicken brains are tasty [21:48] ... hopefully, that's the kind of brain it was :) [21:48] So i have this breath-a-lizer that i got from think geek. I just blew a 0.20 [21:48] :D [21:48] agentc0re: drink some more. :P [21:49] agentcOre: bah! You can legally drive with 0.2 even in Sweden! (or was it 0.02?) hmmm. Never mind. get it to 0.5 just to be sure [21:49] agentc0re: awesome:-) beers? [21:49] what's the limit for u.s.? [21:49] ah you meant .02 [21:50] in canada it is .08 [21:50] it's 0.08 in the US [21:51] so if agentc0re blew a 0.2... doesn't that mean that about 20% of his blood is alcohol? lol [21:52] actually, it depends on what scale you're talking about - its technically .8%, which if your talking about in purely numeric form, is .008 [21:53] Nothing loads in kvm5 [21:54] What the hell.... [21:54] so, .2 could mean .2% which is .002, or .2 could be a mis-statement of 2 percent (.02) [21:54] SHMConfig stopped working .. [21:54] Why are things breaking all of a sudden.. [21:54] either could be feasible, but anything else probably isn't [21:54] I don't understand this bs [21:54] oooh. got x working with this radeonhd stuff [21:54] so in the US it's 0.08% BAC [21:54] let's see what happens when i turn on special fx [21:55] no, its .8% [21:55] so 0.0008 BAC [21:55] ... or .008 [21:55] you're missing a zero [21:55] no, .8% is .008 [21:55] when i adduser just wondering what groups the user should be in? [21:55] 8% is .08 [21:55] it's 0.08% [21:55] that's 8% [21:56] Omeil: we're pretty busy here working on percentages :P [21:56] no that's less than 1% [21:57] ajuna: OK, follow ... 8 = 800%, .8 = 80%, .08 = 8%, .008 = .8%, etc... [21:57] hmm, perhaps kernel versioning should use the same idea here. [21:57] 0.08 is 8% if you working off a calculator [21:57] yea, it's 0.08% [21:57] no 0.08 decimal [21:58] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [21:58] amazon10x, did u also get 3D enabled? [21:58] video is pending! [21:58] amazon10x: No, not 20%. [21:59] Omeil: i don't think i did. when i try to enable the fx it says "failed to activate dekstop effects using the given config options. blah blah blah" [21:59] Now don't say you can't swear off drinking; it's easy. I've done it a thousand times. W.C.Fields [21:59] i'm probably missing an option from my xorg.conf [21:59] amazon10x, what card u got? [22:00] 4670 [22:00] oh, i need DRI, i think [22:00] A woman drove me to drink, and I'll be a son-of-a-gun but I never even wrote to thank her. W.C.Fields [22:00] ya but i think when you blow a 0.20 it's not saying that 20% of your blood is alcohol. [22:00] gnubien: Good man. [22:00] it's .20% [22:00] less than 1% [22:01] my favorite WC Fields quote is: "i quit drinking water when i realised fish f*** in it" [22:01] gnubien: women are good for 3 things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzG0ib-K2m0 [22:01] its a common mis-conception - the phrase "I blew an oh-two" originally referred to .02, or 2%, which is fairly "impressive" [22:01] Pig_Pen: haha [22:01] ... but its mis-perceived sometimes as "oh-two" = 0.2 [22:01] 20% blood alco concentration haha you sure woun't be standing then :D [22:01] ajuna: Oh, ah i before was missing the "point" before the percent. so ya. [22:02] Omeil: No, I would be out dancing!! [22:02] 20% would be far beyond dead - 6% should pretty much kill anyone [22:02] or having a fit :D [22:02] Omeil: I sure would be dead then. [22:02] fatal is .5% BAC [22:02] not 50% [22:02] yea some guy here in aus had .45 and he was driving lol [22:02] ajuna: no, 2% and sometimes even 3% are fairly common [22:03] 4% is very dangerous, but people have been known to survive it [22:03] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:03] that's what listed as fatal [22:03] .50% [22:03] 5% (.05) will kill, and 6% definitely [22:03] you decimal is wrong [22:03] it's .50% [22:03] look it up [22:03] .5% is not fatal [22:03] and .5% is .005 [22:03] has anyone tried radeonhd 3D accel before? [22:03] ... we just went through that earlier [22:03] yes I know [22:04] loll [22:04] yes, you're missing zeros [22:04] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [22:04] look it up on wikipedia [22:04] 5% *is* fatal, and 5% = .05 [22:04] Omeil: Why would anyone want an ATI video card? :P [22:04] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:04] wikipedia has fatal as 0.40% or 0.004 [22:05] ajuna: are you mathematically-challenged ? 5% = 5 100ths = .05 ... end of story [22:05] ajuna: yeah i just edited that in :P [22:05] wikipedia is for weaklings [22:05] can you rk4n3? [22:05] that's what it's listed as [22:05] BAC of 0.40% [22:05] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:05] .4% = .40% = not fatal [22:06] that's how it's listed [22:06] so you're a medical doctor then? [22:06] My KFC brain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Lz9sohNu4 [22:06] only one way to find out I guess... [22:06] Action: cmk_zzz uncorks the wine [22:06] 4% = .04 = possibly fatal [22:06] site me that fact [22:07] fatal is below 1% [22:07] "While this may seem a [22:07] small amount to worry about, a blood alcohol concentration of 0.30 can [22:07] cause a person to go into a coma, while a blood alcohol concentration [22:07] Channel flood from amazon10x -- kicking [22:07] level of 0.40 could kill you." [22:07] amazon10x kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:07] HAHHAH [22:07] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-547bc7800d3db101) joined ##slackware. [22:07] knew that was gonna happen, lol [22:07] amazon10x: Good jerb! [22:07] copy/paste from pdf was a bit of a failure [22:07] Sweet, i'm half way to death. [22:08] Action: agentc0re screams in happiness!! [22:08] http://chavesdwiprogram.us/pdf/Effects%20of%20Alcohol%20Intoxication.pdf [22:08] that article says that BAC is always measure in % [22:09] My birthday i blew a 0.27 and continued to drink. The amazing thing is i continued to remember everything there after. I drank an entire 1 Gal growler after that. [22:09] I was really screw the hell up though. :P [22:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:09] so it says 0.08% is illegal or 0.0008 [22:10] Action: alkos333 can't figure out why synclient would all of a sudden complain that SHMConfig might be disabled if it's set to on in xorg.conf and it worked before. [22:10] What might have caused it to stopped working folks? [22:10] agentc0re, what nvidia do you have then :P [22:10] Fourplay - Between The Sheets - 05 - Flying East.mp3 [22:10] time to get this logitech mouse working. anyone use an mx510? [22:11] ajuna: I stand corrected - .08% indeed *is* the legal limit, and .4% is potentially fatal - I was one decimal off on that, but I was correct on the mathematical statements (8% = .08 and .8% = .008, etc...) [22:11] amazon10x, G9 here :) [22:11] how did you configure it in xorg.conf? [22:11] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:12] yes, I was using the same math to get my number [22:12] amazon10x, didn't i just set it as a usb mouse [22:12] ajuna: well, you misstated some of the percents though ... [22:12] how? I said 0.08% [22:13] remember the whole fiasco with verizon where they didn't understand the difference between $0.002 and ".002 cents" [22:13] this reminds me of that :P [22:14] Omeil: A 8800 GT [22:14] firebird619: see my KFC brain link? [22:14] ajuna: somehow I got that you were saying .008 = .08%, which is incorrect [22:15] ajuna: ... maybe I misunderstood - if so, sorry :) [22:15] no problem ;-) [22:15] I am going to go watch the new punisher movie. BBL. [22:15] agentc0re, you prefer nvidia over ati because of brand name or performance? [22:16] in my experience, both ATI *and* nVidia are really having a difficult time with their drivers lately [22:16] Omeil: How about compatibility for the linux os? [22:16] agentc0re, its just that im buying a new card soon and im choosing between ATI 4870 possbiyl x 2 and the GTX 260 or 280 [22:16] tomshardware guild has a good performance sheet each month [22:17] er guide* [22:17] you look up how much you want to spend and it tells you the best card for the price [22:17] Omeil: are you planning on using it with linux? [22:17] amazon10x, yup [22:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:18] you might want to take into account the current driver state. as far as the proprietary blobs, i think the consensus is that nvidias is better [22:18] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-gtx,2270.html if you're concerned from a hardware stand point [22:18] tom even breaks down video cards into tiers [22:18] nvidia is less troublesome [22:19] so if you're upgrading more than 2 tiers the money is worth the investment [22:19] suppose back when i had an 6200 it was quite easy just install the prop [22:20] i hear matrox cards are really good, just more expensive than either ati or nvidia, anyone use matrox lately? [22:21] http://www.yousendit.com/download/dVlvbGtOUnFVbS9IRGc9PQ [22:22] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] Is there any sort of benchmark for linux [22:22] phoronix [22:23] http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/support/drivers/latest/ they do have linux drivers [22:23] no they arent good [22:23] nvidia is good, the rest suck [22:23] sad but true [22:23] lol [22:24] since ati was bought by amd, hasn't amd been talking about making some super-duper oss drivers? [22:24] talk talk talk talk [22:24] yea, but it's just talk. Who knows if they deliver [22:24] blah blah blah blah [22:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:24] my penis is 11" long [22:24] [22:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] i think i might go nvidia this time. [22:25] I've always used nvidia cards because I've never had a problem with them [22:25] and I started using nvidia since TNT came out in 99/00 [22:25] even 3dfx [22:25] i bought an ati card last month and i'm not very happy with it as far as the linux drivers [22:26] they won't even install on a .29 kernel [22:26] yeah im having issues right now :D [22:26] i switched to radeonhd in svn [22:26] way easier [22:26] nvidia isnt really stable either, but there are enough drivers to find one that works [22:26] yea, nvidia has always been rock solid driver wise for me [22:26] they just added support for my card though so i couldn't use a release i had to get it from the git repo. was super easy to setup though [22:26] not defending ati but the nvidia drivers encounter problems sometimes too [22:26] just installed 9.4 catalyst and couldn't even boot to KDE [22:26] the only time I had an issue was when GLX first came out for XFree86 [22:26] nah, their drivers have glitches every few releases [22:26] Omeil: what card do you have? [22:27] amazon10x, only an HD2600 Pro Turbo AGP 8x :D [22:27] there was only once when i had to hold back upgrading a kernel because of nvidia's driver, but it was not long before nvidia had a new driver that worked so nvidia does want to support their cards in linux [22:27] yea, their intention is authentic [22:27] they do try [22:27] Omeil: why not use the radeon or radeonhd driver? [22:28] like creative support for sound, they don't give a shit [22:28] X-Fi took forever to finally come out [22:28] what i've heard, and i don't know if it's true, is that animated movie studios and the like are using nvidia cards in linux machines for render farms [22:28] amazon10x, im on the radeonhd driver but i don't think i get 3D support [22:28] and that is why nvidia is so good about linux support [22:28] creative has the worst drivers I've used hands down even in windows environments I have problems [22:28] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] render farms are all cpu [22:29] unless they are doing gpu programming [22:29] cuda [22:29] ray-tracer = cpu [22:29] cuda maybe [22:29] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [22:29] yes, I think you're right amazon. There's a cartoon that was used just on linux. Legends of Sinbad? [22:29] those 295 cards are bad ass [22:29] had catheern zeta jones [22:29] nvidia has been good for linux befoer cuda [22:29] ajuna: yeah. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6103 [22:29] ajuna: you had catheern zea jones? Well congratulations! [22:30] so whoever told you that was half retarded [22:30] I wish lol [22:30] i had her while preggers [22:30] apparently it's cool to be attracted to saggy, shapeless objects [22:30] i once had a 3DFX voodoo2 card years ago that was cool, it gave me options for screen resolutions that nvidia and ati never did, like 960x720 - long long time ago back when win9x was still the current windows desktop and linux was just something i was trying learn to use [22:30] i just pushed on the baby to make her tighter [22:31] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] back when you had two video cards [22:31] chowabunga: your a female? [22:31] it's funny we came full circle to SLI/Cross fire [22:31] 2 video cards ftw [22:32] 3DFX voodoo2 3d blaster banshee :D 2001 that was [22:32] I have never been able to join #c++, it always forwards me to ##overflow [22:32] I remember when the industry first switched to Glide/OpenGL [22:32] that was incredible experience going from software to 3d [22:33] i used to join #c++ all th etime [22:33] pi31415: that is odd. I always get forwarded to ##segmentation_fault [22:33] but its full now lol [22:33] ajuna: how was it incredible? [22:33] visually it was a jump [22:33] going from horrible pixels to smooth textures [22:33] ever play quake 2 on software verses hardware? [22:33] it looks like total shit [22:33] When I think of hardware 3d, I think of everquest and WoW, which make me yawn. [22:33] its better on software if you can do 1600x1200 i bet [22:34] fugly fonts are like jagged little pills = hard to swallow [22:34] lol, back then 1024 was the highest you could go [22:34] Give me roguelikes and etext! [22:34] RequiemL Avengin Angel 2mb SVGA (3Dfx/ Direct 3D; 4MB for D3D :D [22:34] all your roguelikes, you suck at [22:34] people ran 2 voodoo cards in sli with their primary 2d video card [22:34] just to play 1024 [22:34] chowabunga: eh? [22:35] what ever happend to 3dfx? they got bought out by somebody? nvidia? [22:35] yes [22:35] nvidia [22:35] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [22:35] they went bankrupt [22:35] Glide wasn't bad tho [22:35] every company without hedge funds goes bankrupt [22:35] long time ago, i vaguely remember reading about it [22:35] eventually [22:36] i actually liked OpenGL/Glide better than D3D back in the day [22:36] yea, their video card: Voodoo 5 IIRC was a huge flop [22:36] had an external power supply [22:36] thats stupid when it can get power from the pci or agp port [22:37] thats why the dildo i designed failed [22:37] it required extra power for the horses [22:37] lol [22:37] it's like the SLI power cables you use now [22:37] the 260 requires to 6 pin connects besides the PCIe slot power [22:37] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] anyone wanna buy a dildo? [22:38] horses included ? [22:38] horses with paypal sure [22:38] haha [22:38] :P [22:38] rofl [22:38] stillborn (n=blow_my_@KMMDCCXIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [22:38] slackware dosen't have a package manager right? all binary? [22:38] wtf [22:39] slackware is trinary [22:39] say again in slackanese [22:39] pkgtool [22:39] Omeil: there is a package manager, it just doesn't manage dependencies [22:39] or roll your own [22:39] each bit is true, false, or maybe [22:39] .tgz, source, .slackbuild [22:39] to accomplish this we use a special virtual machine [22:40] lol (true false or maybe) [22:40] http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/05/06/duke-nukem-never-3d-realms-shut-down/ [22:40] Everyone i know, goes away, in the end [22:40] then you must avoid the end, my friend [22:40] :) [22:40] duke3d comes out in 2012, but the world will have ended! [22:41] 3D Realms is no more [22:41] Doomsday!!! [22:41] ever play shadow warrior? [22:41] wtf is "Tweet This" [22:41] its called a Twat [22:41] sleepytime, laters [22:41] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:41] not at Tweet [22:41] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:41] probably something to do with Twitter [22:41] ah [22:41] you tweet, then its a twat [22:41] Twitter is so in [22:41] haha [22:41] wtf is a twitter anyways [22:41] and you are a twit that twatted [22:41] good question [22:42] some gay shit made to dumb people down more [22:42] FACT [22:42] Twitter = publishing your status for subscribers "watching" you [22:42] for example [22:42] ... its like publish/subscribe model of text messaging [22:42] "my balls itch." is a fine TWAT! [22:43] twitter is usally used to share your incredible bash one-liners. Very popular among teenage girls and trendy politicians [22:43] also "i just took a shit, it was green with corn" is the second most popular twat [22:43] I actually tweet pgp-encrpyted XML command sequences for my bot net nodes to pick up and execute [22:43] Tell me where did you sleep last night? [22:43] "I am cornholio! I need tippie for my bunhole!" [22:44] "XML command sequences" is the 3rd most popular twat [22:44] see they are retards [22:44] lol [22:44] I'm a facebooker [22:44] DIE [22:44] ahh [22:44] at least make the nsa pay for your info [22:44] same thing as tweeter: "What's on your mind?" [22:45] matt damon [22:45] oh yes the genius [22:45] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-200-39.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] good comparison [22:46] How many people is slackware maintained by? [22:46] 3-2 [22:46] 2 people that think they help, and one guy that does everything [22:46] does omniplex still hang here? That crusty bastard knew his shit back in the day [22:47] rofl [22:47] heviarti (n=ptpChat2@174-144-102-170.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:48] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:48] Hey when i create an account via adduser im just wondering how do i give that person admin permissions? [22:48] group root? [22:48] Omeil: su - / sudo [22:48] i did create an account but it says im not in the sudoers file [22:48] Omeil: my preference is to add the user to the wheel group and then uncomment one of the wheel group directives in /etc/sudoers [22:49] Omeil: i usually just add the user to the sudoers file myself [22:49] Omeil: type `visudo` as root [22:49] is this a photoshop? [22:49] http://imgur.com/IKoZ.jpg [22:49] wtfffffffffffff [22:49] woah [22:49] i'm pretty sure that's shopped [22:49] ROFL [22:49] haha [22:49] amazon10x, ok what do i change from the sudoers file? [22:50] no thats not photoshopped shes on steriods [22:50] lol yeah its shooped [22:50] haha thats buff!! [22:50] camel toe [22:50] Omeil: see the line with "root (ALL)=ALL ALL" or something like that [22:50] Omeil uncomment the % wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL lie and add yourself to the wheel group in /etc/group [22:50] actually. the whole team that assist Patrick would considt about 11odd people or so. However Pat puts it finally all together and sprinkles it with magic frop ;) [22:50] cmk_zzz: :) [22:51] cmk_zzz: does wheel already exist by default on slack? [22:51] amazon10x: yes [22:51] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@YMMD.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] BP{k}: i've seen a bsd distro with a wheel group like that. why is it called "wheel"? [22:52] rk4n3: oh:) I am a copy cat. cp -r rk4n3 cmk_zzz [22:52] hehe :) [22:52] I honestly don't know how this thing broke. [22:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:53] I probably messed something up in my kernel config. [22:53] %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL [22:53] %omeil ALL=(ALL) ALL [22:53] Omeil: you just need the first line [22:53] Is it done that way? [22:53] amazon10x: I think it's because you've got to be a "big wheel" to get into that group [22:53] and then add your user to the the "wheel" group [22:53] ah woops [22:54] got it [22:54] remove the % [22:54] mmm magic frop [22:54] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [22:54] done [22:54] k im gonna go log and give it a go [22:54] Omeil (n=Omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [22:54] amazon10x: uhm, good question actually; googling :) [22:55] danc3: i can honestly say that i've never heard the phrase "big wheel" before [22:55] amazon10x: dunno. you must have led a sheltered life I guess ;) [22:55] amaxon10x: ??? big wheels keep on turning, dadadada, proud mary keep on burning. [22:55] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-230-188-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:56] acidchild: pong [22:57] omeil (n=omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:57] lol i did something wrong [22:58] amazon10x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_(Unix_term) [22:59] # Uncomment to allow people in group wheel to run all commands [22:59] wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL [22:59] thats right isn't it? [22:59] BP{k}: ahhh. danc3: you were right [23:00] omeil: looks like it, yeah [23:00] anyone happen to know how to install a "print to PDF" printer? [23:00] amazon10x: I nearly always am... ;) [23:00] lets start a wheel war! [23:00] wheel:x:10:root,omeil and thats the group file [23:00] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-230-188-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] TwinReverb: cups-pdf [23:00] TwinReverb cups-pdf is one way, never used it though [23:01] cp twolf cmk_zzz [23:01] heeh [23:01] diane (n=diane@201009251072.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:02] TwinReverb: What's the make of the printer? [23:02] print to pdf isn't really a printer, it just allows you to print to a pdf file [23:02] amazon10x, do i have to restart? [23:02] Does anyone in here use Barry to manage their blackberry? [23:03] omeil: i don't think so [23:03] maybe you have to log out and back in for the group to take effect? [23:03] i did tho [23:03] omeil: you need to log out and back in to become a member of the wheel group. I hate that thing about linux (unix?) [23:03] logged out of root [23:03] logged into user account the startx [23:04] ok, what does command: groups say? [23:04] If4: What you trying to figure out? [23:04] sbopkg is good, right? [23:05] yes [23:05] root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom tape plugdev [23:05] MLanden: just if I get the Storm would I be able to manage it with Linux or do I need to do what I did for my iTouch and use a VM. :P [23:05] oh wait that groups of sudo [23:05] sorry i mean root [23:05] I wanted to know how well Barry worked. MLanden [23:05] mine says users wheel floppy audio video cdrom plugdev [23:06] Would you know my name, if i saw you in ##slackware [23:06] superGear: not at all ;) [23:06] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [23:06] MLanden, nevermind [23:07] cmk_zzz: i still get omeil is not in the sudoers file [23:07] omeil: have you included yourself in it? :D [23:07] why can't kde-config be found on my system? [23:07] TwinReverb:OK [23:07] oh. it should be kde4-config i guess? [23:07] omeil: you'll have to logout to get the new group [23:07] lf4, i uncommented wheel in there [23:08] omeil: log out and log back in, that is [23:08] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-143-56.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] omeil: log completely out and then back in. [23:08] k [23:08] has anyone built yakuake from sbo recently? it is looking for kde-config and can't find it for me [23:08] omeil (n=omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:08] omeil: you can use the "id -a" command to verify your ID's current session groups [23:08] amazon10x: I did about 3 days ago [23:08] I have a feeling yakuake was meant to work with kde3.. if you're on -current YMMV [23:09] or was it longer... ? lol [23:09] longer [23:09] oh, yeah, there's a new version for kde4 [23:09] goon12: you remember us talking about that? [23:09] Dominian: as far as I understand yakuake 2.9.x series if yakuake is supposed to work with KDE4 [23:09] If4: what features are you wishing to manage? [23:09] l4m3rx, no just busting ya chops. [23:09] omeil (n=omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:09] nope still the same [23:09] err lf4 [23:09] omeil: are you logged in as omeil? [23:09] Jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] goon12: haha I see :) [23:10] MLanden: Contacts and other data back up [23:10] cmk_zzz, yup [23:10] kiraa (n=kiraa@ip68-102-46-3.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] The things barry does... I was just wondering if it worked smoothly or not. [23:10] omeil: ok, so paste the result of id -a [23:11] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [23:11] total size is 109,585,795,455 speedup is 3,445.49 [23:12] uid=1000(omeil) gid=100(users) groups=10(wheel),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev),100(users) [23:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:12] could it be because my main group is users? [23:12] omeil: nope - it looks OK [23:12] omeil: syntax error in /etc/sudoers would be my next guess [23:13] omeil: now do: su -c "grep ^%wheel /etc/sudoers" [23:13] omeil: and make sure you have the line: %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL [23:13] in the list [23:13] sudo is retarded [23:14] cmon [23:14] diane (n=diane@201009251072.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "fui" [23:14] this isnt ubuntu [23:14] it isn't ? [23:15] crap [23:15] #ubuntu [23:15] sudo isn't retarded [23:15] sudo is for retards* [23:15] lol [23:15] no.. it is just a bad idea :P [23:15] sudo isn't for retards [23:15] how ould i remove everything in a directory except two particular directories [23:15] If4: all I can tell you is that it's a WIP...can't give you feedback other than with some it's worked smoothly and with others,it's a PITA [23:15] "sudo bash" is the greatest idea ever... [23:15] and good/bad idea depends on why you need it [23:16] it works on current kubuntu :P [23:16] su - [23:16] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:16] the concept of using root as little as possible is a good one [23:16] sudo is fucking retarded [23:16] Thanks MLanden :) I think I'll just try it out and see how things go. If not I can always boot in to windows. [23:16] and running one command from sudo rather than "su -" and several commands is smart [23:16] granted you can use su -c "foo" but still [23:16] granted you can not be a retard and watch what you type [23:17] problem solved [23:17] ajuna (n=ajuna@97-126-211-220.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:17] np,If4...good luck [23:17] well we're all human. *nix admins in college are taught to use root as sparingly as possible, and it's a good idea [23:17] o_O? [23:17] wow college [23:17] lol [23:17] haha thanks MLanden on and my name is LF4 if you want to tab it ;) [23:17] Nick change: lf4 -> LifeForce4 [23:17] reikyv (n=reikyv@60.51.251.170) joined ##slackware. [23:17] any admin that needs to be taught in college is a retard [23:17] ah man im gonna restart lol X is being retarted now be back soon [23:18] i doubt anyone in here as *not* accidentally screwed up a *nix install before [23:18] o_O?? [23:18] you are supposed to scrwe up on your own before some old guy tells you not to screw up [23:18] TwinReverb: I have [23:18] so you dont screw up again [23:18] chowabunga, ok now you're just being childish [23:18] Oh wait.. :D you meant hasnt haha ;) [23:18] omeil (n=omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:18] i dont know what to say.... [23:18] oh shweet [23:18] yakuake is nice [23:18] TwinReverb> ok now you're just bieng childish [23:19] saying nothing could be a good idea [23:19] amazon10x: yeah it is :) [23:19] TwinReverb> cmon dude, admins being trained by old guys in "college" rofllllllll [23:19] thats just sad [23:19] there's alot more to avoiding use of root than just cautious typing ... if you become dependent on everything working despite wacky permissions, simply because you're root, your system is likely to be not set up very well at all ownership/permissions-wise [23:19] I don't fully agree with chowabunga but partly... doing a little work is good but asking is also a valid way of learning just as long as you don't ask "EVERYTHING". lol [23:19] not when the end result is getting a job and knowing more than the off-the-street thinks-he-knows-everything punk [23:19] :( my scanner's stopped working and the scanner group has disappeared. [23:20] sudo is nice because it logs every command so you can always go back and see what you typed :D [23:20] TwinReverb> oh really, so you have a masters degree in computer engineering / computer science too? join the club [23:20] Aww sorry to hear that firebird619 [23:20] "sudo - for all your retarded needs" :) [23:20] i still knwo college is bs, cuz i didnt buy any books, and taught myself everything [23:20] LifeForce4: Me too. :( I wonder what happened. [23:20] and oh guess what, no debt [23:20] chowabunga, education does not make one good at a job in and of itself. you can be book smart but not be able to apply it. [23:21] its getting a little heated in here... [23:21] but you're starting an unnecessary conversation about essentially nothing [23:21] Action: LifeForce4 gets the hose. :D [23:21] sudo is for retards [23:21] it's getting hot in here. so take off all your clothes. bum bum bum bum [23:21] hahaha amazon10x [23:21] it's still a concept taught on major respected papers and HOWTOs: use root as sparingly as possible [23:21] it puts the lotion in the bucket, or it gets the hose again [23:21] Nick change: LifeForce4 -> LF4 [23:21] Zozma_ (n=Winter@75-121-153-94.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] on your own machine you can use root all the time, if you arent a retard [23:22] firebird619: Your scanner is USB,correct? [23:22] chowabunga: anyone who would say something as retarded as "sudo is for retards", is a retard. [23:22] MLanden: yup [23:22] omeil (n=omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:22] chowabunga, yeah and everyone in slackware will flame you for doing something risky [23:22] danc3> yes, im a retard [23:22] danc3: count me in :P [23:23] good to see the education paid off and expanded your vocabulary to the point you can use retard or retarded in every sentence [23:23] how do i access /etc/sudoers? should i log in through root? [23:23] you should've heard the krap we all gave Lindows [23:23] TwinReverb> lol, what do they know [23:23] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Success [23:23] chowabunga: ok, now that we've got that settled, hows about you hush up for a bit? [23:23] omeil: yes, you should edit it as root [23:23] omeil: login as root and type `visudo` [23:23] danc3> hows about you lurk more [23:23] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.71.71) joined ##slackware. [23:23] omeil (n=omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:23] firebird619: when you plug in your scanner, are there any errors that show up in dmesg? [23:24] MLanden: No, no errors at all. [23:25] Omeil (n=Omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Ok in root [23:25] firebird619: does the computer see the scanner? [23:25] i had wheel without the % [23:25] Omeil> omg, dont do anything stupid! [23:25] too late [23:25] :) [23:25] chowabunga, don't worru [23:25] haha [23:25] AHHHHHHHHHH roootttttttt run!111111111111 [23:26] one typo out of a billion and you will be screwed [23:26] lol [23:26] no, but the potential exists [23:26] o_O??? [23:26] MLanden: yeah. [23:26] life sucks when you accidentally rm -Rf / and you had your backups mounted to /mnt [23:26] haw [23:26] it's that human factor [23:27] ok lemme try now [23:27] Omeil (n=Omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [23:27] backups should be mounted read only [23:27] ... although, as I said before, unfortunate typing accidents are only a small portion of the concept [23:27] backups *in* the same media?? thats not a *real backup* then :) [23:27] but hey....thats just me [23:27] tell me how you're going to update backups in read-only :) [23:27] TwinReverb: it could be argued that anyone with backups mounted to /mnt should be classified as a retard, as well. [23:27] chowabunga, unless it's backuping [23:27] olefowdie (n=jircii@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] which is ironically why they recommend backing up your stuff: because of the human factor [23:27] all my crap in mount is read only dudes [23:28] cuz i learn from retards mistakes [23:28] firebird619: which program were you using for scanning? [23:28] i only mount mine to update them and then i remove them [23:28] anyone know what the requirements are for X? [23:28] omeil (n=omeil@CPE-124-185-4-234.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:28] olefowdie, www.x.org [23:28] iirc [23:28] And its fixed [23:28] chowabunga: really ? I do the opposite - all my stuff is write-only ... :) [23:28] alias mrw='mount -o remount,rw /mnt/mega-store-a;mount -o remount,rw /mnt/mega-store-b' [23:28] alias mro='mount -o remount,ro /mnt/mega-store-a;mount -o remount,ro /mnt/mega-store-b [23:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:28] but in slackware, do i need stuff like seejpeg and ungif? [23:28] before when i posted the %wheel someone said to remove the % [23:29] or does X11 set handle that? [23:29] olefowdie: x/ and l/ [23:29] so i did and it screwed the wheel group being allowed to sudo [23:29] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] chowabunga: I have unlimited space that never gets filled up in my write-only file system - I mount it at /dev/null ... is that cool or what ? :D [23:29] rk4n3> almost laughed [23:29] omeil: than someone lied to you. without the % you specify a username I think. If all else fails there is always man sudoers to have a look at the syntax [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] hba (n=hba@189.188.142.157) left irc: "leaving" [23:30] ok i laughed at you after 30 seconds....not with you [23:30] olefowdie: but really, i can only reccomend that you do a full install if you want to have the least amount of hassle [23:30] oh c'mon - its funny :) [23:30] i think it was danc3 [23:30] omeil: that was me... it was a mistake, leave the % on there to specify a group [23:30] sorry about that [23:30] MLanden: I tried kooka and Xsane. [23:30] ah its cool :) [23:30] all good now :D [23:30] kk [23:30] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-230-188-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("kills self"). [23:31] MLanden: sorry for the delayed answers, I was just making some food. :) [23:31] macavity: I understand that... but I am install the GNUStep framework, and I want to have a "pure" system [23:31] define pure [23:31] olefowdie (n=jircii@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:31] as soon as you log into it, it's not :P [23:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] olefowdie (n=jircii@adsl-176-178-179.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] np,firebird619 .. try it each program from a cli [23:32] olefowdie: good luck.. that requires quite a bit of manual inspection and/or trial and error :P [23:32] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:32] macavity, understood, I was just hoping :\ [23:32] olefowdie: ldd and objdump -p | grep NEEDED [23:32] olefowdie: tose are your freinds when it comes to determining what libs are required [23:33] *those [23:33] thats kinda cool [23:33] objdump -p | grep NEEDED [23:33] objdump -p /path/to/library.so | grep NEEDED | cut -d ' ' -f 9 [23:34] tozefs (n=_tozefs_@207-172-252-92.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] objdump -p /path/to/library.so | grep NEEDED | cut -d ' ' -f 9 | sort -u [23:34] that just spits out the name of the hard dependencies [23:34] in order [23:34] beer [23:34] doesnt print anything but is really good [23:34] MLanden: hadn't tried it from cli yet, I'm going to eat now and then I'll try it. Thanks for your help. [23:34] np,firebird619 [23:35] In the SlackwareCD, if I were to just install the packages that were labelled required, would it be functional? [23:35] olefowdie: yes.. but severly limited :P [23:35] {half of the recommended stuff is very... kde oriented} [23:36] beer doesn't print ? I thought there was nothing beer couldn't do ... :( [23:36] olefowdie: just make sure slackpkg runs.. then you can fetch what you find out you needed anyway [23:36] olefowdie: you'd just have a CLI interface [23:36] how do i install pkgtool? [23:36] lol [23:36] oops [23:36] build from source? [23:36] rk4n3: It does in snow,but you have to drink it first.:D [23:37] omeil: are you sure you don't already have it ? [23:37] omeil: how don't you install pkgtool? [23:37] MLanden: haha :) [23:37] i tried installpkg but just got a bash [23:37] I know the packages I need to build a sane, no fluff system... I am just having problems figuring out what is absolutely necessary for X11... [23:37] omeil: ls /sbin/pkgtool [23:37] omeil: are you running as root ? [23:37] Kpackage see it as installed tho [23:37] rk4n3, nope [23:37] rk4n3: of course he doesn't! he just set up sudo [23:37] ;) [23:37] omeil: must be root [23:38] or sudo [23:38] omeil: sudo /sbin/pkgtool [23:38] cmk_zzz: haha [23:38] omeil- tar -xzf pkgtool / [23:38] sudo installpkg wine-1.1.20-i486-1kjz.tgz [23:38] sudo: installpkg: command not found [23:38] he doesn't have sudo [23:38] i do [23:38] su - [23:38] oemil: sudo /sbin/installpkg ... [23:38] omeil: sudo -H /sbin/installpkg filename.tgz [23:39] ... also might want to actually specify /full/path/to/filename.tgz [23:39] oemil: your normal user doesn't have any sbin directories in the path. If you really want them there add them to your $PATH environment variable. But I prefer to remember where they are so I have to think before I run them:) [23:39] oh :D [23:40] omeil: I agree with cmk_zzz on that [23:40] sorry i usually use ubuntu this is really different :) [23:40] he said a bad word [23:41] omeil: here is a tip: get used to switching to root when you need it.. [23:41] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [23:41] omeil: I'd also say that it isn't completely "taboo" to use the root user - if I have a few things to do, like installing packages, I'll log in as root for that ... you just don't want to actually "operate" in root as a habit or for extended no-reason-for-it periods [23:41] omeil: root has /sbin and /usr/sbin in path [23:42] ah k [23:42] wow wine installed pretty fast compared to ub [23:42] perhaps because slackware doesnt spend half an hour calculating dependencies [23:42] It said Executing install script for wine-1.1.20-i486-1kjz... after 1 second and im waiting for it to install lol [23:43] Nuk3_ (n=awayer@200-193-76-81.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:43] omeil: i do not reccomend using packages from linuxpackages.net [23:43] omeil: really, learn how to use slackbuilds.org [23:44] omeil: slackbuilds are really cool [23:44] omeil: avoid linuxpackages.net, their stuff blows [23:44] cooler than cool.. and you get a 100% chance of a clean build environment [23:44] omeil: ... and, they usually have a great heads-up in their descriptions on the likely dependencies, so you can know what all packages to get/install [23:44] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:45] omeil: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1095 read. [23:45] Thanks for all the info all [23:46] Nuk3_ (n=awayer@200-193-76-81.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. 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