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[00:47] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:48] well... here goes nothing. just updated to the latest 64-current and alienBOB's kde4.4.2 packages.. bbiab [00:48] ron1n (~ron1n@70.44.172.13.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:50] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:51] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:53] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:53] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:53] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:54] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:56] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [00:57] ....and all is well so far. [00:57] printer on fire [00:58] hmm, i haven't detected any smoke yet. neither has that box on the wall.. [00:58] nope, no printer fire here. [00:58] Sadly, I've downloaded all of that stuff, but no chance to try itout yet [00:59] rworkman: have you had any issues with pidgin and the damn systray icons in current? [00:59] yeah, it's been sitting here taunting me, so I bit the bullet and took the system down a runlevel or two [00:59] first run of pidgin after reboot, icon is jacked. Close pidgin, restart it, systray icon is fine. [00:59] aside from kde , i've been running current since 13 came out , no issues [00:59] fire|bird has the same behavior too [01:00] antiwire: I haven't, but I don't use that shit either. [01:00] juice (1000@67.48.16.231) joined ##slackware. [01:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:00] oh pidgin shit! [01:00] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:00] davide (~davide@dynamic-adsl-84-220-55-110.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [01:00] rworkman uses etch a sketch for his X needs [01:00] antiwire: might be a kde issue, fine on flux [01:02] davide (~davide@dynamic-adsl-84-220-55-110.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Client Quit [01:02] argh. digikam. [01:02] can someone tell me what provides libkipi.so.6 ? [01:03] libkipi of course [01:03] not kipi-plugins, though. [01:04] ok, so the root cert drama is over...rsa finally has acknolwedged the famous root cert is their's...and they do still posses the privkey. they do recommend expunging though [01:04] eviljames: I just built digikam 1.2 today, and it didn't need anything not in Slackware already [01:04] libkipi! [01:04] my gidikam needed libkipi [01:05] exiv,libkdcraw, etc [01:05] oh, didn't realize 1.2 was out [01:05] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-254.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:06] hrmm, i didn't either, i'm on 1.1.0 [01:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:07] I was using an svn checkout, because 1.1.0 doesn't build with newer libpng [01:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:08] yar, i had patched mine [01:08] why does rworkman no need dependencies, does his shit not stink? [01:09] of course not [01:09] that's why he's rworkman [01:09] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:12] 1.2.0 is building fine here too. [01:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [01:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:18] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:18] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:18] bleah. Does *anyone* know of a tetrinet client that's graphical but doesn't require a ton of gnome libs like gtetrinet does? [01:19] Action: Urchlay seriously considers lobotomizing the gnome deps out of gtetrinet [01:21] oh, it requires kde4 (or at least their libs). how lame's that? [01:21] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:21] at least slackware has kde libs without spending 3 days compiling them [01:22] guess the digikam dev didn't get the memo [01:22] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:31] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:31] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [01:32] damn it ... i did crontab -d accidently [01:32] i entered -d key instead -e key [01:32] :/ [01:33] root user ^^ [01:33] great [01:33] too hard to reconstruct? [01:34] paissad, the default slackware root crontab is in dcron. explodepkg and cp that one file [01:35] if you added your own and you didn't make backups you willhave to re-do them [01:35] dcron ? [01:36] the dcron package. Slackware uses Dillon's Cron [01:36] as opposed to vixie cron [01:36] mwnn (~user@59.92.140.25) joined ##slackware. [01:36] dcrond [01:36] :P [01:37] the man page *still* has a typo [01:42] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-106.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:43] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:43] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:43] ~~/w 2 [01:44] rhisa (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [01:44] Hey folks. How can I adjust the time again? [01:44] date [01:45] I mean set the time in KDE. [01:46] don't get me started again... [01:46] o.o [01:46] Sorry... [01:46] :> [01:46] ntpdate pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc [01:46] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:47] antiwire, that looks good. I'll try it. It's 2AM now and my clock shows 3AM. [01:47] how is my date command less kde'ish than ntpdate? [01:48] It looks mean. [01:48] Don't be a muncher mancha! [01:49] the KDE way is to just run konsole and use those commands. haha [01:49] The command is amazing, it works. [01:49] boy howdy it works. [01:50] i'm going to workon making "date" align with the kde standards. expect kdate v0.0 next week. [01:51] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:51] YES! [01:51] start by not writing a man page [01:51] lol [01:51] lol [01:51] >< [01:51] you need to make it so that the only documentation is in the svn [01:51] and that documentation is just the comments anyway [01:52] i will use cmake to build and hide the cmake flags as best i can, maybe el-gamal encryption [01:52] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/sys/1672782505.html [01:53] classic [01:53] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-88-244.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Hm I don't see what's special about that ad. [01:54] they are selling a dekktop [01:55] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-106.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:55] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:55] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:56] they fixed it in the "TEM [sic] SPECIFICS" though [01:56] or at least partially on their way to cogent english [01:56] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [01:57] Alright thanks. [01:57] rhisa (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [01:57] what is "eset nod 32 4 antivirus" ? [01:58] "Parachute for sale, only used one, never opened, small stain" [01:59] trhodes, i am a gambling man so i am going to go on a limb and say an antivirus program. [01:59] be more specific. [01:59] :P [01:59] i am a male which enjoys taking remunerated risk.... 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[02:17] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:17] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:17] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:20] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431470.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:21] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.170.109) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:36] Anyone familiar with VirtualBox and usb devices? I have my usb multifunction printer working but can't get my ipod to work. I tried the "--debug" switch but don't know where to go from there [02:37] guest os is winxp [02:39] tank-man: it's just not showing up as a usb device or what? [02:39] can't use it under guest os, it shows up but says like unavailable [02:39] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [02:39] vbox open source version has no usb pass-trough, are you on the closed version? [02:39] i have one usb device already working [02:39] its not open source one [02:40] tank-man: is it mounted by root by chance? [02:40] unmounted [02:40] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] you have /proc/bus/usb in your fstab? [02:41] none /proc/bus/usb usbfs auto,remount,devmode=0664,devgid=83 0 0 [02:41] yea [02:41] cause I already have my printer working [02:42] mine is simply: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=83,devmode=664 0 0 [02:44] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:45] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:47] am I suppose to run VirtualBox as root? [02:47] tank-man: no [02:48] make sure your user is in the vboxusers group [02:48] its weird cause I already have one usb device working [02:48] damn apple [02:49] and plugdev [02:50] check [02:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:51] tank-man: have you attempted to enable the device in the settings first? not the drop down menu though the actual machine setting [02:52] what do you mean? [02:52] yea, i added a filter for it [02:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-156.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:53] and enable 2.0 ehci is checked correct? [02:53] under the filter options as well [02:53] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:54] yea to both [02:54] tank-man: maybe ask in #vbox [02:55] Nothing else really comes to mind for me anyway. [03:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:01] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:03] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:03] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [03:04] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:05] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [03:05] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:07] my ipod gets auto mounted by kde as well, is that a problem? i umount/eject it before trying to use it in VirtualBox of course tho. [03:08] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:10] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:11] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:16] i still have port 6000 open ( i believe X is listening). how do i stop that? [03:16] nolisten [03:16] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:17] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] you can pass your X: -nolisten tcp that'll keep it from opening up a listening socket bound to 6000 [03:18] ok. thanks! [03:18] editing .bashrc with alias startx='startx -- -nolisten tcp' [03:18] will make it to never do that? [03:19] that shoudl work. try it [03:20] mranderson_ (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] i don't have one. should i create it? [03:20] NickServ Identify [03:20] ahhh lol [03:21] please enter passwd [03:21] hehe [03:22] lolz [03:22] mranderson_ (mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [03:22] mranderson_ (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] mranderson_ (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:23] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] what's up guys [03:23] it's still open [03:23] goddamn it [03:24] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:24] did you try "startx -- -nolisten tcp" or did you mess with yuour alias funkiness [03:25] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [03:25] my alias [03:25] ok, so your alias is broked. does it show up when you type alias? [03:25] nope [03:30] how about when you close that terminal and open a new one? oO [03:30] or . ~/.bashrc [03:36] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:37] -j #pidgin [03:42] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:56] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:57] fuck pidgin [03:58] im just testing bad words [03:58] your point is? [03:58] dont have time to explain [04:00] Y0Z (~Y0Z@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: [04:00] mwnn (~user@59.92.140.25) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:03] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep [04:05] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. 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[04:27] Morn [04:27] King_Ozzy: means windows stack [04:27] cant* [04:28] i use openbox, is that tiling? [04:28] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:28] nop [04:28] morning Zordrak [04:28] King_Ozzy: ion, awesome, xmonad [04:28] those are tiling wm's [04:29] which is it, nope or yes? [04:29] 08:27:31 < lw0x15> nop [04:30] Action: King_Ozzy hadoukens lw0x15 [04:31] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.140) left irc: Client Quit [04:31] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:31] ATAKTAKNUUUURKEN [04:32] johnbristol (~john@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:33] rhcss (~bnhashmi@119.153.63.24) joined ##slackware. [04:34] hi all [04:34] baccardi (~nera@193.219.94.141) joined ##slackware. [04:34] baccardi (nera@193.219.94.141) left ##slackware. [04:35] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [04:35] http://i.imgur.com/WmHEv.jpg NSFW [04:36] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:36] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Zordrak: seen the vbox update yet? ;) [04:38] pprkut: bastard... i only finished doing it last night :) [04:39] was expecting an update mail to the ML [04:39] yep, I guess rworkman forgot about that [04:40] :) Well both your efforts are appreciated as always [04:41] :) [04:43] I'm already excited about the next major version of vbox, which will ship a vnc server \o/ [04:43] would update it myself probably [04:43] since its not working anyway, i cba [04:43] lol [04:43] pprkut: er.. Houston? We have some shizzle [04:43] heh, shoot [04:43] sec.. checking [04:45] Anyone here using Slackware with Sun hardware? Specifically X4240 and J4200? [04:46] ThomasLocke: ang and i have been talking about it (splack) but im not currently doing it [04:46] pprkut: think its my bad.. nm [04:47] haha, ok [04:47] Zordrak, Sun claims that both systems work with RedHat. The question is then: Does RedHat provide some "magic" to make it all work, or does the kernel simply support all the necessary hardware out of the box. [04:48] ThomasLocke: are they sparc? [04:48] Zordrak, No, x86 [04:48] orite.. well then the hardware should just be picked up by the kernel [04:48] Actually, the J4200 is just a storage array. A casing for a bunch of SAS disks. [04:49] i stole a U160 SCSI controller out of a sparc box for example.. works fine in slack in an x86_64 environment [04:49] the kernel has the qla1280 driver for it so its fine [04:49] and if the box has been shipped specifically for rhel.. then theres no reason ath all the drivers shouldnt be available in kernel [04:50] Sounds good. I would much prefer to stay with Slackware, instead of Red Hat or Solaris. [04:50] hells yeah [04:50] Intended use is a qemu-kvm host with the X4240 delivering the muscle and the J4200 delivering the storage. [04:51] fnuff.. im not too keen on server virtualisation in general... but should be a good setup [04:53] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:53] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] btw, anyone know if it's possible to give, say, 2GB of RAM to three virtual machines and they take more or less depending on their need [04:54] I mean: machine 1 may take 1.5GB at one point and later on, it won't need that much so it'll free it and another machine will be able to use that ram [04:54] I've been running some tests in the past months, and it's stable and performance is sufficient. I actually look forward to getting rid of some of my old iron. :o) [04:54] i know it's possible to give 2gb RAM to me :-p [04:54] ThomasLocke: you can ship it to me ;-) [04:54] heheh :-) [04:55] Action: Delahunt takes old iron [04:55] Camarade_Tux, Hehe.. Indeed. [04:55] where do you live btw? :-) [04:56] Camarade_Tux: 2G will working with 3 guests which OS you are using as Host OS [04:56] Camarade_Tux: afaik vbox will reserve the full memory on startup of the vm [04:56] Camarade_Tux: why are you not going for xen [04:57] Camarade_Tux: i think so 256M will be enough for HOSt [04:57] using qemu-kvm here [04:57] and kvm, because :P [04:57] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [04:58] I'd like to have several machines which will be mostly idle: like 6 maybe but currently I don't have all the ram I want and there may be a windows host [04:58] Camarade_Tux: even you can use them in runlevel 3 so you can also remove GUI overhead [04:58] each will only require RAM for a few minutes and not often [04:58] Camarade_Tux: yeh at boot time they need a bunch of RAM [04:58] it's not the GUI overhead which is the problem: it's really that each machine will do a lot of work during a few minute [04:59] Camarade_Tux: what is the purpose of using That VM's ??? [05:00] building software [05:00] any one know about selinux policy writing [05:00] not on slackware =) [05:01] Camarade_Tux: then they should not suck much RAM, i think you were using some sort of DB like oracle on them [05:01] rhcss, vm's allow you to run a different o/s for whatever reason without having to format your system to test new stuff [05:01] rhcss: you've never built webkit-gtk at -j3 or higher, when it takes 1.5GB of ram I guess =) [05:02] alisonken1noc: i am familiar with xen [05:02] alisonken1noc: but right now i am working on selinux [05:02] alisonken1noc: actually you just made me think about openvz (it's what DH uses, right?) [05:03] Camarade_Tux, not sure yet - let me check [05:03] linux-vserver.org [05:04] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/02/selinux-in-one-sentence/ [05:05] alisonken1noc: thanks [05:05] Zordrak:thanks [05:09] alisonken1noc: unfortunately, the "host" kernel would have to be patched =/ [05:09] and the patches are only stable for older kernels which don't support my hardware very well [05:09] patched for what? [05:10] for linux-vserver [05:11] ah [05:12] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:12] homie-vserver101:~# uname -a [05:12] Linux homie-vserver101 2.6.32.9-vs2.3.0.36.29.1 #2 SMP Tue Mar 2 11:07:49 PST 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [05:12] Camarade_Tux, ^^^ [05:12] one of the vserver hosts [05:13] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:14] alisonken1noc: but they're marked as experimental and currently, I'm on 2.6.34-rc3.5 (half-way through rc3 and rc4) =/ [05:15] so I'll have to go with the full virtualization route but I think I'll use linux-vserver too later on [05:15] (I also want freebsd and windows guests) [05:22] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:32] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [05:35] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [05:35] btw, I asked someone and since qemu basically mallocs memory, you can take advantage of linux' overcommit memory + swap to achieve what I wanted [05:36] (maybe use balloon too to actually free memory) [05:37] rhcss (~bnhashmi@119.153.63.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:42] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [05:45] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:46] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:46] phreak (~phreak@pool-71-247-99-46.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:47] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:49] twofifos (~neutrino@60.234.28.98) joined ##slackware. [05:50] i hate flash. [05:50] Zordrak: ++ [05:51] will html5 video sound the death knell for flash? [05:51] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: test! [05:51] no [05:51] Action: LSD` doesn't know, doesn't care [05:51] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [05:51] flash matters if you're on a slow connection and want to watch video [05:52] Guest52625 (~X0Z@proxy.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [05:52] I have no great love for flash, but I don't hate it either. [05:53] phreak (phreak@pool-71-247-99-46.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:53] i hate it because it forces you to work in a certain way rather than just working like anything else.. for the sole reason that it is closed [05:53] youtube is giving some effort toward html5. they are the biggest video site. could be influential? [05:53] meh [05:54] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] but it's easy to download youtube vids without using flash. it's all the other sites using flash that are such a PITA [05:56] wawowe (1000@cpe-024-211-210-089.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:57] Nick change: Guest52625 -> wroom [06:00] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:01] ever get "RSL error 1 of 1"? google it. pages and pages of results: googlebot logs the RSL error. [06:01] html5 has this problem with codecs [06:02] Yeah, I'm not sure I like hte idea of a particular codec being forced on developers [06:03] they should have made theora stanard, h264 possible and easy to fallback on something else (flash, quicktime?) if you don't have the correct combination of codecs [06:04] i don't care what codec they choose, so long as we dispense with funneling things through flash. [06:04] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: Saindo [06:04] ania_s (ania_s@fr.klupek.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:04] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-133-18.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:05] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [06:05] rhcss (~bnhashmi@119.153.222.92) joined ##slackware. [06:07] AtuM (~damjan@193.77.157.221) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:09] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:14] thats the right attitude.. screw the codecs... let everyone pick what they want and eventually most people will pick the same few... the problem is the decoder app [06:15] if browsers pass of video mime types to vlc or mplayer then codecs shouldn;t matter so much. [06:15] i dont want to be dependant on an ugly insecure and broken piece of shit 32bit proprietary binary blob for any and all interactive online content [06:15] what happened to mime in mozilla? [06:16] they want to build everything into the browser. a monolithoc mess. [06:16] thing is you're not going to see h264 decoding in firefo any time soon [06:16] crappy software patents, and yes, they don't apply for me [06:16] patents. [06:19] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:22] alienBOB: vdeqemu is deprecated (not sure starting from which version), you might want to update your wiki [06:22] wolf (~wolf@110.137.227.61) joined ##slackware. [06:23] helo [06:27] Camarade_Tux: I will, at some point in time [06:28] what is "streaming"? it's downloading either to memory or to disk, isn't it? internet "TV"? not quite. i read that korea it's acknowledged that people download then watch. what is netflix? do we need to recharacterise downloading as "streaming". [06:28] alienBOB: yeah, no hurry ;-) [06:29] maginot (maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [06:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] twofifos: streaming implies no local copy saved [06:31] twofifos: streaming is not the same as downloading [06:32] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:35] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [06:35] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6F32E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:38] wroom (~X0Z@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: [06:39] goj (~goj@p4FE6F74F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:39] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [06:44] Axius (~hi@109.97.55.239) joined ##slackware. [06:51] in order to install wine is it necessary to install webcore-fonts... i already have installed all my windows fonts for the whole system [06:51] i used Font Installer [06:51] in the system settings [06:52] hi who i can restrict some ip to not access my snmp comunity [06:52] ????? [06:56] isn't saving the choice of the receiver? [06:56] rhcss (~bnhashmi@119.153.222.92) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:57] the browser can be made to save to a temporary cache. but maybe not all browsers do that. [06:58] wolf (~wolf@110.137.227.61) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:58] it's data going from point A to point B. what point B does with it is up to point B. [06:59] twofifos: the point of streaming is that the data can be accessed as it comes and be useful. not every protocol or data type can be streamed [06:59] telnet being one of them [06:59] with two fifos we can workaround the buffering problem... perhaps. [07:02] much easier to just write to disk and then play. [07:02] disk space is inexpensive. [07:03] i'm not sure what point you're arguing [07:03] http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/04/07/gnu-is-definitely-too-messy-for-my-taste [07:04] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:05] i can't see the utility of streaming when not everyone has a fast connection and downloading remains more reliable. [07:06] one must have a slow connection to appreciate what i'm arguing. [07:06] Axius (~hi@109.97.55.239) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:06] twofifos, downloadable movies versus flash player movies? [07:06] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) joined ##slackware. [07:08] Delahunt: yes. and they are the same. same media. different delivery procedure. [07:08] some things should be downloadable, i agree [07:08] twofifos: you are not obliged to use streaming media. If you have low bandwidth internet connection, either find a low-bandwidth stream or try to download the stream locally before playing it. I do not see what your problem is [07:08] however, might i point out that /tmp/Flash{randomcharactershere} exists when you play a flash movie (usually) [07:08] much less usually you can click pause and wait [07:09] There are lots of ways to save flash movies locally instead of playing it through an browser-embedded player [07:09] alienBOB, thanks for your help yesterday, i got vsftpd up and running (which is huge for me because this is the first time i've EVER ran an FTP server) [07:09] But indeed, what Delahunt proposes is what I have used as one way of saving a video stream locally [07:09] alienBOB: hmmm. CDN's are pervasive. it's becoming more and more difficult to download video as more and more sites use buggy flashplayers. [07:10] Delahunt: I dod not help with setting up a ftp server at all... [07:10] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:10] alienBOB, but you helped with my rsync efforts [07:10] but i will stop complaining. you get my point. [07:10] twofifos, i may not agree, but i do sympathize [07:10] been there, done that [07:11] ftp :) [07:11] hmm ccel.org didn't respond to my email yet [07:11] Action: Delahunt is thinking of a list of websites to cache to his old laptop for going places [07:15] wroom (~X0Z@proxy.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [07:17] alienBOB: here's one i'm having trouble with- http://www.google.com/search?q=cdn-aki.vmixcore.com a lot of news sites are using vmix. see if you can access one. you may get "RSL error 1 of 1". i've had other people test this and they get the same error. [07:21] wawowe (1000@cpe-024-211-210-089.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: User abortion with 5 coathooks [07:23] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@5353059E.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:23] hi guys [07:23] Is there a udev rule that can load a bunch of modules when a certain module loads? 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[07:46] Zordrak: why is it ironic? vs means "very secure" not "virtual" :) [07:46] where on slackware is the equivalant to --> /etc/pam.d/login [07:47] david_-_, Slackware doesn't use pam. What, exactly, are you trying to accomplish? [07:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:48] MoZes: purely in that he has just set up his first ever ftp on vsftpd just as i am moving on from vsftpd. I meant nothing by it againts vsftpd, i really like it.. i just need to stop the ever-accumulating growth of users in our co-lo server's passwd file just to provide ftp accounts. i need virtual users and i wish vsftpd did it [07:48] i was just reading about security ..to only allow local root logins [07:48] Action: MoZes uses ProFTPd for it [07:49] pureftpd here [07:49] david_-_: you can use /etc/securetty for that I think. [07:49] ok thanks [07:49] Mel-nix_ (1000@117.255.72.18) joined ##slackware. [07:49] david_-_: what MoZes said ^ [07:49] david_-_: and for SSH, just set allowrootlogin to "no" or something like that - check the sshd config file [07:49] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:50] Nick change: Mel-nix_ -> Mel-nix [07:50] by default does slack not allow that with /etc/securetty ? [07:50] look at the file [07:51] it shows the deyaults. root can log in on tty[1-6] and console [07:51] ttys0+ are remote logins ? [07:51] but thats all local.. if you are talking about stopping REMOTE logins.. ie ssh, then you need to do as MoZes said in /etc/ssh/sshd_config [07:52] ttySx is local virtual consoles on the computer when not in runlevel 5 [07:52] runlevel 4 [07:52] david_-_: well yes, ttyS0 would be considered remote as it is a serial connection to the machine [07:52] hence "# These are some remote ttys" [07:52] so i should comment them all out to stop root remote root logins ? [07:53] >.< [07:53] they are already commented out [07:53] yeah i see that [07:53] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:53] but if your machine isnt setup to provide a login to the serial port its a moot point [07:53] Zordrak, you got a link to a good guild for securing slackware ? [07:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:54] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=securing+slackware [07:54] thanks [07:57] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.243.184) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:58] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. 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[09:10] $same_site/How_to_include_FATX_support_in_a_regular_Linux_kernel [09:10] the joys of google [09:10] linux-2.6.16-xbox.patch.gz [09:10] That is the latest patch [09:10] :| [09:11] it might still apply :) [09:11] bottom line is you want to be on the xbox-linux mailing lists with your questioen [09:11] kbai [09:12] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [09:12] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:12] kfu [09:15] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:19] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [09:22] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [09:24] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:31] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:31] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Action: Zordrak <3 tree [09:34] akSeya (~bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-twhdoyxyuixmqbcv) joined ##slackware. [09:34] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [09:34] iptables question. inside my lan, how can I redirect port 3002 on server1 to port 80 on server2? [09:35] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:35] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) joined ##slackware. [09:36] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Action: wisedud2u scratches head [09:36] afaik.. use a standard port redirect rule.. but instead of redirecting to a port, redirect to an output chain [09:37] iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -s x.x.x.x --dport 3002 -j SNAT --to-source x.x.x.x --dport 80 [09:37] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:37] where x.x.x.x are your IP's [09:37] ymmv :) [09:38] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [09:38] makes sense [09:38] I would prefer not using NAT inside my lan though [09:38] should be google-verifiable [09:38] its the nat chain, not actually nat [09:38] so you can pop a postrouting rule [09:38] you must use nat [09:38] ok, I'll try that :) [09:39] otherwise server 2 will say "oh my gonness mamma-san, this packetz be for another ip i beat not listen, innit" [09:39] alternatively [09:39] Action: admboom has a craving for pancakes now [09:39] Action: slava_dp sends admboom a pancake [09:39] that made you think of aunt jemima? [09:39] you could always just create an apache instance on server1 listening on 3002 that does a 302 to the address at server1 [09:40] mancha, unfortunately, yes. [09:40] or lighttpd or whateven [09:40] Zordrak, no, don't want to do that. I'll go with port redirect. [09:40] slava_dp: what are you trying to achieve.. doesnt seem to make sense [09:41] seems like sthg that should be taken care of at the border or the source [09:42] or with a nice firewall or router [09:42] the direction is unclear to me and not sure why adm made this an snat thing and not dnat, but... [09:43] i took it to be intarwebs --> server1:3002 --> server1:80 [09:43] me too [09:43] Zordrak, it' s complicated. the adsl modem that serves internet and NAT to this office is provider-locked, and we only have a number of ports forwarded to the inside network. a server in our network can then route the necessary ports to other computers that need to be visible from the outside. [09:44] eww [09:44] mancha, that's what I want. [09:44] er second is server2:80 (typo) [09:45] so I guess I should use dnat, shouldn't I? [09:45] argh.. must.. stop.. sshing.. to.. virtual.. ip.. then.. stopping.. virtual.. ip [09:45] lol [09:46] well, i'd confirm with adm but something on PREROUTING that targets DNAT [09:46] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-162.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] AtuM (~damjan@193.77.157.221) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [09:48] iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 3002 -d -j DNAT --to-destination :80 [09:48] where is whatever ip server1 is getting the packet for [09:48] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [09:48] slava_dp: there is an alternative [09:49] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:49] slava_dp: requires more work but would serve you better in the long run [09:50] put your own fw box in between the adsl router and the lan. if possible get the provider to reset the adsl to bridged mode.. if not, have them forward all ports to the fw box [09:51] snat/dnat depends on what you want rewritten [09:51] bridged mode means you end up with just one NAT level which is ideal.. the second option still gives you two NAT levels.. but you have simple and complete control [09:51] i guess to complete this you'd need a forward [09:52] Zordrak, I'll think about it, might do it. [09:52] unless your default forward is accepting [09:53] mancha, oh, right, I need a forward. been thinking what fails. [09:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [09:54] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.59.212.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:55] why is a business contracting a service that seems residential (port 80 blocks) [09:55] mancha: $$$ [09:56] i'd look for a new job, any business so strapped for cash will be giving you the boot soon! [09:57] mancha: i cant agree. if its true its not good practice.. but many small companies, especially those that grow organically have some pretty piss poor decisions made by hands-on CEOs [09:57] ok, lets argue! [09:57] bah [09:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Most businesses fail within 5 years. Those that make it 5 years, all made stupid decisions which got them to the 5 year mark. [10:00] catch 22? [10:01] pah.. this place has been running fer 12 and only 3 years ago started to l/eave the IT insanity bubble [10:02] congrats! [10:04] JonnyV (~jonny@190.227.141.130) joined ##slackware. [10:05] what's the "IT insanity bubble" ? [10:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [10:06] the point at which the IT stops being mandated by the CEO who knows "just enough" to keep things going and starts being managed by people with good technical skills hired specifically for the job [10:07] ah, that's *leaving* the IT insanity bubble ? [10:07] yeh [10:07] I getcha [10:07] its like a backwards poker bubble :) [10:07] why should the ceo know anything about it? [10:08] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.40) joined ##slackware. [10:08] thrice`: when the company consists of just the CEO and his wife as a PA.. he kinda needs to [10:08] ... though I'd say that whole "mandates by CEOs who know just enough to be dangerous" is only a part of the IT insanity epidemic - admittedly a significant part [10:08] Zordrak, ok, when you said "company" i assumed it was a legitimate company :p [10:09] thrice`: then he hires marketing and sales people or engineers depending on the type of company.. and eventually he hires people to look after the IT properly when the comapny gets big enougm [10:09] thrice`: legitimate companies have to start somewhere.. and not all of them have the financial backing to start reasonably big [10:09] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:09] I personally think the notion that good software engineering can be cookie-cutter packaged for low-skilled people to wield is a particularly nasty contributor to IT insanity that extends to even parts of the technical community [10:10] well, I know that our CEO doesn't care why the mail server died, he only knows it's losing the company money, and he's paying someone to make sure it doesn't happen :) [10:10] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:10] thrice`: indeed... but small small small startups dont have mailservers.. they have an ISP and a domain [10:11] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:11] sometimes not even that... theres a buttload of blue-collar stuff that still have hotmail and aol addresses [10:13] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:15] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:19] yes, true :) [10:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:24] wawowe (1000@cpe-024-211-210-089.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:29] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:32] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [10:43] oscillator (~oscillato@161.Red-88-8-253.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:48] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.14.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:48] remote log of the router [10:48] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:48] and it says.. [10:48] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [10:48] the boot of busybox and log iptables etc [10:49] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:49] all syslog klog of the router [10:49] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Client Quit [10:49] huh? [10:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:50] the problen start when reboot the router [10:51] ofcourse slackware64-current [10:52] Nick change: xchg_drichme -> xchg [10:52] syslogd -r -m0 [10:53] Torrentow (~rafalkraw@klatka.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:54] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:54] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:57] looks like there is a question and an answer all included in that. [10:58] admboom: im still hesitating to define it that far [10:58] Action: admboom tosses coin. hm heads, which was heads? [10:58] admboom: that would usually be followed by a part/quit [10:58] admboom: the lack of one suggests waiting for something [10:59] yea, was expecting that [10:59] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.191) joined ##slackware. [10:59] he could be an idler [11:00] raendeer: nah.. joined just before asking [11:00] Zordrak: I've joined a chan to ask questions before and idled until a reboot [11:00] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] its possible [11:01] before I just added this chan to my config, I'd join + idle for a few months.. then reboot and wouldn't rejoin until a new issue popped up :P [11:02] find -exec finished on the main box... now to du -hs the same selection :( [11:03] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:03] Zordrak: I had a block of code for stats homework that took 8 hours to execute.. figured it'd be done when I woke up and I was wrong [11:03] ncdu ftw! [11:03] ayone from the uk here who have ordered network cables and supplies from dttuk ? [11:03] s/ayone/anyone/ [11:04] snL20: no.. i generally use Videk for that [11:04] nope [11:05] slava_dp: solaris9 [11:05] slava_dp: and it still takes forever [11:06] Zordrak: but dttuk is a company you've heard of ? [11:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:06] snL20: nope [11:07] Zordrak: ok... nevermind... I ordered some stuff there dttuk.co.uk =) [11:07] glwt [11:09] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:10] Zordrak: ok :) [11:12] Zordrak: I had to pay by banktransfer... barclays bank... went ok... so far... =) [11:12] hughszg (~hugh@218.82.200.160) joined ##slackware. [11:12] they *look* reputable [11:13] Zordrak: yeah.. that's what I thought :) [11:14] snL20: but id have given them a credit card if possible [11:14] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:15] Zordrak: it was possible... they just dont do it over their website... [11:16] Zordrak: anyway it was only 167£ =) [11:16] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:16] im guessing you're not in the UK and thats why they wouldnt take a card.. [11:18] Zordrak: yeah, I'm in Norway :) [11:18] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.104.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] right [11:19] you'll be fine [11:20] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [11:20] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:21] i have to ask why you couldnt source this stuff in Norway.. [11:24] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:24] jikjtzzf (~edud@94.229.77.218) joined ##slackware. [11:25] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:26] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:31] rizitis (~rizitis@79.107.122.219) joined ##slackware. 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[11:41] anyone encrypt partitions ? ...ive been following alienbobs howto -> http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/README_CRYPT.TXT but i keep getting a error [11:42] whoops forget that ..my fault :( [11:43] oslo_ (~andre_@212.183.140.6) left irc: Client Quit [11:43] yes, just doing a fresh lvm/luks install now on a laptop [11:44] oh, he left =P [11:44] any friend can advise how to configure to make slack current support widescreen 1280x800 in console? ati mobility x1350 [11:44] hughszg: framebuffer? 191 is highest i've ever used/needed [11:44] what vga parameters I should use in lilo.conf [11:44] phragmatic: for 1280x800? [11:45] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:45] try vga=872 [11:45] thrice`: thanks. i will try it out now [11:46] remember to run lilo after changing your lilo.conf :) [11:46] hughszg: try googling [11:46] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/lilo-vga-modes-152575/ [11:46] thrice`: i will, thanks for reminding [11:46] phragmatic: i actually googled a lot these two days [11:46] i found that in <10 seconds =P [11:46] but found no useful suggestion, most of them are failed on my side [11:46] fair enough =P [11:47] phragmatic, you also didn't look at the link, as it doesn't provide any widescreen resolutions ;) [11:47] 1280x1024? [11:47] 1280x800 [11:47] that's 5:4 [11:47] 1280x800 is slightly different [11:47] ah, my bad =) [11:48] widescreen resolutions in vesafb are pretty hidden [11:48] phragmatic: i've tried your link yesterday [11:48] failed [11:48] cool cool, was just being arsey =P [11:48] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:48] 872 failed? [11:49] thrice`: may i ask before answer? [11:49] i can see a list in lilo.conf [11:49] after upgrading a customer's server to 13.0 32-bit i've had two crashes in two days :( [11:49] jimi: define crashes? [11:49] there is no option for 1280x800 [11:49] hughszg, those are all pretty old, and put there from slack's liloconfig [11:49] phragmatic: i'm still trying to figure that out [11:50] Nick change: jikjtzzf -> jg71 [11:50] I'm fairly well convinced that 1280x800 has to be hacked into it. [11:50] jg71 (~edud@94.229.77.218) left irc: Changing host [11:50] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [11:50] right now the raid 1 is still resync'ing [11:50] jimi: slackware is solid and stable... crashes may indicate faulty hardware... or corrupt install [11:50] jkwood: it seems that i must fight with configuring a new kernel [11:50] and enable kms to support it [11:51] phragmatic: slackware has been super stable for me for years. the machine had slackware 12.1 and was fine [11:51] but that's too much for me [11:51] I've seen it on livecds before, but again, those were the kind of livecds that are likely to introduce horrible security problems in SSL. [11:51] jimi: how did you upgrade? [11:51] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.250) joined ##slackware. [11:52] phragmatic: wipe all the partitions except for the /home partition and install fresh. then copy config files from old [11:52] jkwood, some of us are good linux users and don't require silly framebuffers any longer ;) [11:53] jimi: hmm, a little hard to pin point without specific errors / behavour [11:53] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:53] phragmatic: unfortunately nothing ends up in the logs. [11:53] phragmatic: kernel crash as far as i can tell [11:53] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [11:54] this morning there were several messages on the console from kernel [11:54] it stops passing packets ? [11:54] that is annoying... i don't know what to suggest.. only that perhaps some kernel change is causing it... could try rebuilding the old kernel config using make oldconfig [11:54] the last one with kernel: EIP: [11:54] Mel-nix_ (1000@117.255.75.29) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.40) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:55] i used the magic sysrq key combo to try to flush the disk and hopefully catch something in the logs, but no dice [11:55] i'm somewhat suspicious that mount.cifs is causing it [11:56] phragmatic: nagios is awesome [11:56] lol [11:56] mindbndr: yes it it =) [11:56] is* [11:57] i was in a nagios/cacti/deps mindstorm yesterday.. i take anything bad i said about nagios back =P [11:57] haha how did you reach to a positive conclusion then [11:57] cacti sux though [11:57] Action: mindbndr uses both [11:57] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [11:58] well, just got everything working/migrated over to the new environment.. also they changed some stuff from earlier versions which i had to work around [11:58] i do like seeing green tho =) [11:59] one strange thing i've never seen one any other system is the this in dmesg: "reconnect_path: npd != pd" [12:00] ive never found the need for the information cacti provides [12:00] i've no idea what that is [12:02] that seems to be related to NFS [12:02] nfs server, more specifically [12:02] it seems to be with newer kernels too [12:03] "I have around 1-3 complete kernel lockups a day with this nfs kernel server and xfs." [12:03] 2.6.30 and 2.6.30.1 kernels [12:03] try latest kernel.. 2.6.33.2 [12:04] phragmatic: yeah, i was just seeing those same google results :) [12:05] ooh, seems the rogue RSA cert in firefox has been owned up to.. from RSA =P [12:05] thank god my file server cluster is on 29.6 :) [12:06] Zordrak: so am i, and that's the kernel giving me problems [12:06] hm [12:06] PiterPunk, suggesting me to add supergrilo? auheuheu [12:06] custom kernel or slack generic? [12:07] slack smp [12:07] hugesmp.s [12:07] oh, i was goign to suggest trying huge =P [12:07] ew [12:08] i'd rebuild kernel to latest if your happy running bleeding edge... or maybe drop it down a few versions to test [12:08] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [12:09] this machine serves about 12 users via X terminals, all running kde4. it needs to be *solid* [12:09] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-isndoiagsssrgglf) joined ##slackware. [12:09] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Quit: inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris [12:10] if it goes down, this customer's whole shop comes to halt [12:11] so i'm not sure if i want to go new hotness or old and busted [12:12] i don't particularly want to go back to slack 12.1... [12:12] ... 12.2 [12:12] 12.2 was nice [12:12] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:12] you can run an old kernel... if that's the problem [12:12] to be brutally honest.. i would try a generic kernel first [12:13] good point [12:13] Zordrak: i am running a generic kernel [12:13] ive had a number of problems with huge in the past because its just trying to do too wuch [12:13] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [12:13] *much [12:13] i cant keep up... [12:13] Zordrak: do you mean something besides hugesmp.s? to me, hugesmp.s is a generic kernel [12:14] O_O [12:14] it's the huge kernel [12:14] uh yeah.. hugesmp.s is the huge kernel/ [12:14] =P [12:14] generic is the generic modularised kernel =) [12:15] as in vmlinuz-generic-2.6.33 vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.33-smp [12:15] heh - ok. i've always considered all the slackware kernels to be generic and anything i build myself not generic [12:16] yeah.. you need new definitions [12:16] i've got vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp [12:16] then "try a generic" is a valid answer [12:17] true. but i have a hard time believing that the extra drivers in hugesmp.s are the cause [12:18] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:18] maybe worth trying, just hard for me to believe ;) [12:18] jimi: if the kernel is hardcore dying, its definitely worth trying [12:18] zodrak's not lying [12:19] Action: Zordrak points trhodes at the tab key [12:19] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:19] sometimes tab gets me in trouble, too [12:19] http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20090715.030047.89e443c3.ja.html makes me think that i should try to find a kernel that contains a patch for this specific issue [12:19] Zordrak: do you know how many people have never heard of tab completion? it should be taught in schools :P [12:20] har (~AndChat@32.171.200.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:20] because of my ssh lag and the way i wanted that formatted, tab would have been more difficult [12:20] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:21] yeh but then when your brain gets sleepy you assume tab can read your thoughts =P [12:21] hughszg (hugh@218.82.200.160) left ##slackware. [12:21] what if i want to ship my slackware with a custom kernel? just changing and recompiling kernels will work? i see i need to regenerate the installation initrd [12:21] jimi: raid6? [12:21] ezrafree (ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [12:21] ezrafree (ezra@208.67.159.229) left irc: Changing host [12:21] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) joined ##slackware. [12:21] say the sentence im thinking of... !! =P [12:21] ok, here's another wrinkle: at my office i run slackware64-13.0 on an nfs server with the same (though 64-bit version) kernel and have no problems at all [12:21] trhodes, any clue? [12:22] guax: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guidel/ [12:22] guax: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [12:22] :| [12:22] jimi: i am also using 64-13.0 as a production RAID61 clustered NFS and CIFS server using xfs on lvm2 on hardware raid6 [12:22] phragmatic: try to tab complete passwords.. [12:23] the differences are 64 vs. 32 bit, software raid 1 at the customer, and the amount of ram and number of users [12:23] Zordrak, i know how to compile my kernel, im making a custom slackware cd. Just wondering how to generate new installation systems. [12:23] i need to update the modules available from the initrd in syslinux/ [12:23] replace the kernel package with your own [12:23] shit [12:23] isolinux/ [12:23] not syslinux/ [12:23] buh [12:23] Zordrak: I wish I could disable write-barriers on xfs and keep disk write cache ='( [12:25] heh [12:25] jimi: what file systems? [12:25] xfs everywhere [12:25] Zordrak: but I think I'll disable barriers and write-cache, seems to be faster [12:25] reiferfs [12:25] reiserfs? [12:25] cant remember [12:25] lol [12:26] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:28] jimi: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13375 ... sounds like it's an xfs bug [12:28] Camarade_Tux: mkfs.xfs -b size=4096 -l size=128m /dev/vg0/files; mount -o rw,relatime,nobarrier,logbufs=8 /dev/vg0/files /mnt/store/files [12:29] Zordrak: use logbsize=256k at mount time too [12:29] and using inode64 here [12:29] i dont know why i didnt use it but im sure theres a reason :) [12:30] ang: that matches some of the kernel messages i saw this morning [12:30] well, if you use logbufs=8, you'll probably want that too but I'm definitely interested in your reason not to use it if you can remember it ;-) [12:30] ang: at least there were messages from kernel this morning about radix-tree [12:30] also, how did you chose the size of the log (I had forgotten to bench that one) [12:31] using filestreams too btw [12:32] Camarade_Tux: it was quite some time ago i looked into it [12:32] gonna check how much it impact perf [12:33] I wrote a little tool to automate the testing, it's been very helpful :P [12:33] and definitely performs better without barriers and write-cache [12:36] Camarade_Tux: i will come back to you when i have more time to steal your tool [12:36] Zordrak: heheh :P [12:37] Zordrak: currently it doesn't do much but I plan to improve it [12:38] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:39] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:41] drbd-mc is so freaking awesome [12:41] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:41] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Zordrak: http://pastebin.com/pEjg6Zb7 , you want to compare first to fourth and second to third [12:44] (I'll have to improve how things are ordered... if that's possible) [12:44] ang: thanks for that kernel bugzilla link, it tells me what i need to know. looks like i can either downgrade to 2.6.28.10 or upgrade to something newer than 2.6.31 [12:44] Camarade_Tux: mail to me please (pm).. im literally just about to leave the office [12:44] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:45] l.tar is 'tar cf /mnt/tmp/l.tar /usr/src/linux-2.6', where linux-2.6 is linus' git branch of the kernel (1GB, 32k files) and /mnt/tmp is a ramdrive [12:45] k [12:45] cheers [12:45] jimi: no problem...good luck :) [12:45] im out.. see y'all later [12:46] ang: first i'm checking if the kernels in patches/ have the xfs+nfs fix [12:48] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:48] ang: looks like they don't :( [12:49] anyone knows how kernel is update on slackware? i mean updated on mirrors and installer. isolinux/ initrd included. [12:49] guax: how kernel is update?? [12:49] the installers are always kept up-to-date with the kernels [12:49] jimi: which patch were you looking for? [12:50] jimi, script or anything, im actually in doubt how to update the initrd image for the installer [12:50] Camarade_Tux: patches mentioned in https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13375 [12:50] leaving soon, no time to read, can you be more precise? [12:52] Camarade_Tux: Christoph Hellwig patched the xfs tree to fix an nfs+xfs bug. [12:52] Camarade_Tux: he also released a patch series for 2.6.29 [12:52] jimi: Slackware kernels are only patched for security reasons. for that you ll have to patch the kernel yourself [12:53] sahk0: that's what i thought [12:53] okay, stupid me, I hadn't seen all the patches were at the top [12:53] though imo, this is something that is worthy of slackware releasing an updated kernel. i can't be the only one running nfs exports over xfs [12:54] you can patch it yourself probably, or run -current [12:54] but no time to see, sorry, gotta go [12:54] i can patch myself, that's not hard [12:55] i'm just thinking that it would be good for slackware stability to include it in patches/packages [12:55] johndee_ (~id@93-81-136-206.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:55] yeah [12:55] 13.1 should be ready soon [12:55] well, quite soon [12:55] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:55] I mean, before next year [12:55] Camarade_Tux: really? i'm still getting customers up to 13.0! [12:56] aciar (1000@dhcp-046-133.cns.ohiou.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Anyone here have slack 13 running on a Thinkpad? Trying to get volume buttons to work... getting no output from xev [12:57] jimi: why not just try the latest stable kernel? [12:57] aciar: alsamixer? [12:57] ang: i might do that [12:58] jimi: yes i can use alsamixer, i just was trying to see if i could get them to work [12:58] johndee (~id@93-81-142-41.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:59] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:00] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:01] mm, kde picks up my vol-up and vol-down buttons fine [13:01] on my thinkpad* [13:02] me too [13:02] and xev works anyway [13:02] yea they worked for me in ubuntu with gnome [13:02] i just think its weird that xev isnt seeing them [13:02] are you in kde? [13:02] it sees the "access ibm button" [13:02] fluxbox [13:02] xfce or other window managers won't work by default, it's up to the WM [13:03] ahh [13:03] kwin is smart enough, but you probably need to set it in ~/.fluxbox/keys or so [13:03] i was under the impression they would still show up in xev [13:03] how can i set them up if i cant find the key codes? [13:04] aciar: you need to modify Xmodmap [13:04] use xev to identify the keys [13:04] xsamurai: the keys do not give any output in xev. thats the problem [13:05] on my old t42 i believe i had all the keys functioning [13:06] there are tons of howtos for thinkpad+linux online [13:06] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.104.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:06] im sure one of them will guide you to the proper setup , I havent used thinkpad in awhile [13:06] yep... ive been going through them quite a bit and getting a lot of varied answers so figured i would check here before diving down the rabbit hole [13:06] it might work with just "XF86AudioRaiseVolume" [13:07] (and AudioLowerVolume) [13:07] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:08] that's what I use in my openbox's RC file [13:08] guax: you still around ? [13:08] are you using a default kernel ? [13:08] trhodes, yes [13:08] xsamurai: yes [13:09] guax: mkinitrd can use a different kernel source tree [13:09] aciar: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_special_keys_to_work#thinkpad_acpi_events [13:09] trhodes, but it will not generate the initrd i need for the installation [13:09] see if the driver they mention is loaded [13:09] i can generate and copy the /lib/modules but i think thats ugly. is just that i need to generate? [13:10] xsamurai: okay thanks [13:10] guax: not sure :/ [13:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:10] guax: i'm not real sure as to the details, but you should be able to diff the two initrd's and see what's changed [13:10] Hi [13:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:11] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:12] I dont understand the point of cubicles , i despise them [13:12] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [13:13] good afternoon [13:13] they serve no purpose , managers lean over , ppl just walk in [13:13] xsamurai: I get a nice corner in an office :P [13:13] its almost like wearing a see through underwear [13:14] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:15] raendeer: i would love too [13:15] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:16] xsamurai: I'm a grad student, though.. so different situation [13:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:16] for now i'll put glass shards and barb wire on the edge of the cubicle [13:16] te (~te@adsl-68-94-218-20.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:21] sahk0: just using his example :) [13:21] yeah, bad example [13:21] as to the other package classes, awk sed and or grep [13:21] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [13:21] gtludwig, I heard... The latest kernel got it working. [13:21] I wonder if 2.6.33 was just packaged wrong in -current [13:22] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:23] aciar: not really like the doc says if the acpi driver is loaded it should work out of the box [13:23] try removing the mod and adding it again [13:23] run xev after that [13:25] te: awk -F\/ '/PACKAGE\ LOCATION/ {print $(NF-1)}' /var/log/packages/* # will get you package classes in the more general case [13:25] (it doesn't really work for stuff from extra) [13:26] (nor slackbuilds) [13:27] aciar: try dmesg -c , hit the key that doesnt show up , then dmesg -c again , use setkeycodes to set the key [13:27] trhodes: nice [13:28] also, if you have a repository locally, you can do: cd a; upgradepkg --dry-run :) [13:29] xsamurai: unloading and reloading the driver did not work. dmesg -c the first time gave a bunch of output, then i kit volume down, dmesg -c again and got no output [13:31] -c means clear the ring buffer [13:31] adamk: I think there were some kernel issues in -current with 2.6.33 at least on x86_64 [13:32] 2.6.33.2 includes too many bugfixes [13:32] adamk: When I upgraded I wasn't able to load any modules - all complained of some mismatches.. this issue disappeared after custom kernel compile, and doesn't seem to be present in 2.6.33.1 packages. [13:33] aciar: you might have dead keys, have you tested them on another os ? [13:33] sahk0: I find your statement intriguing. How could you fix too many bugs? [13:33] eviljames, Yeah, gtludwig had the same issue with fglrx. It was compiled with preempt support but the kernel wasn't. [13:33] eviljames: i think it fixed around 200 issues with 33.1 [13:34] xsamurai: when insmod the driver and checked dmseg again I see this: input: ThinkPad Extra Buttons as /devices/virtual/input/input10 ... anything meaningful there? and i dont believe the keys are dead, they just worked in ubuntu 2 days ago [13:34] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:35] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] anyone running google-chrome on slackware-current? [13:36] I am having problems with it. Every HTTPS site I visit, the browser doesn't trust [13:36] that didn't happen when I was running Bluewhite64-13.0. Now that I am back to slackware... I get this :( [13:36] any tips? [13:37] Kenjiro: did bw64 die? [13:37] not yet, as far as I know ;) [13:38] well, if *you* are not running it, theres probably only arny left :p [13:38] sahk0: ahahahaha [13:38] no, I know there are more people running it ;) [13:38] Apparently Arny RTFM for chrome. I'm surprised and impressed by this news. [13:38] Kenjiro: I have no problems with google-chrome + https on -current (I'm on 32-bit not 64-bit) [13:38] "there are" or "there is"? [13:38] aciar: i misunderstood your question. sorry [13:39] sitwon: yes, it is really strange [13:39] I visit gmail.com and chrome tells me it doesn't trust the certificate LOL [13:39] ang: i'm going to run with a patched 2.6.29.6 for now to minimize disruptions [13:39] jhw (~jhw@p57982752.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Kenjiro: sounds to me like chrome is missing some certs [13:41] te (~te@adsl-68-94-218-20.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:42] sitwon: I even deleted the whole google-chrome folder from my $HOME [13:42] and I installed chrome by means of a slackbuild I got at slackbuilds.org [13:43] (I used the same SBO to make the package for bw64) [13:46] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:47] Kenjiro: do you have seamonkey installed? [13:47] sahk0: no, thanks [13:47] but I do have firefox [13:47] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [13:47] which should have the same libs, if that's what you are after ;) [13:47] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:47] (on a side note, I spotted a problem with openssh-5.4p1) [13:47] i think thats needed, since Slackware doesnt ship nss, but not sure. dont use chrome [13:47] (a problem for those, like me, using RCA auth) [13:48] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:48] sahk0: all the libs google-chrome needs (which you can find with seamonkey) come with firefox too [13:48] at least it didn't complain about missing libs [13:48] im not talking about libs, but certificates [13:49] and stuff like that [13:49] like i said, not sure [13:49] well... it won't hurt reinstalling seamonkey ;) [13:49] about openssh... [13:50] anyone here running slackware-current and using Public Key Authentication? [13:50] (RSA) [13:50] I setup my box to use that (as I used in bw64)... and it didn't work. [13:51] messing here and there... searching google I found out a "solution" [13:51] whats the problem? [13:51] sahk0: perhaps this explains things a little better -> http://kenjiro.blogspot.com/2010/04/buggy-openssh.html [13:52] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-isndoiagsssrgglf) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:53] sahk0: damn good call [13:53] I installed seamonkey packs and the https problem vanished *LOL* [13:54] SBo also has mozilla-nss if you dont need seamonkey [13:54] would probably do as well [13:54] sure [13:54] read about the openssh problem? [13:55] yeah, looks like a bug in openssh [13:56] indeed [13:56] I even checked the stock sshd_config to see if the new one would come with that "string". But it doesn't [13:56] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Kenjiro: interesting [13:56] (I was using my old sshd_config file from bw64 when I had problems) [13:56] Kenjiro: version? [13:56] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:56] phrag: openssh version? [13:57] Kenjiro: ever thought of using a clean config ? [13:57] the one "shipping" with slack-current: 5.4p1 [13:57] to test the issue [13:57] phrag: yes, I did [13:57] the problem is that string [13:57] ah cool, submitted a bug report? [13:57] string/parameter/whatever [13:57] phrag: didn't had time *LOL* [13:57] *have [13:58] if it's broke, i'm sure it'll be fixed very soon [13:58] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:58] must be a server side issue, keying works fine here on -current [13:58] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:58] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:59] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:59] although i've not keyed *to* a slack box for awhile [13:59] phrag: the "server" is my home computer, running slackware64-current [13:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [13:59] hmm, i'll test that tomorrow [13:59] let me try and test it now, hold on [14:00] be good to fire an email off to pat though once confirmed [14:00] brief would do =) [14:00] the config file on this computer is fresh hehehehe [14:00] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.250) left irc: Quit: bye...., Going to bed [14:00] anyone else had similar problems with openssh + current? [14:02] phrag: that's why I decided to bring the issue up, to see if anyone else had problems [14:03] ok guys, i need your opinions. right now i'm running 5 users on X terminals to slackware 13.0. all users are running kde4, most of the time running an app i wrote called x5250 which uses very little memory and cpu. we're going to be ramping up to 12 or so users in the very near future. what kind of hardware would you recommend to handle the load? [14:03] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:04] high amount of ram and gigE i'm guessing [14:04] a decent server... sized correctly [14:04] "high amount" meaning how much? i realize this is only just guesses [14:04] 4gigs+ [14:05] take your box with say 5 users and use that as a base [14:05] ok, so how much would be overkill? 16GB ram? [14:06] the box with 5 users is underpowered. it has 1GB ram and a pentium4 [14:06] see how much resources are being used and scale accordingly, leaving a little extra room for scalability (adding few extra users... load spikes) [14:06] buy an island of the coast of africa too, jimi [14:06] right now i'm always into swap [14:06] only on that island your users will be safe. [14:07] jg71: ??? [14:07] im joking ;) [14:07] as if that wasnt obvious ... i got one more. [14:07] jimi: you will most likely see highest load when users first boot (morning or whatever)... setup some tests/logs to check the peak loading/memory usage [14:07] jg71: yeah, i just don't get it ;) [14:07] if one of your users is called Azeo-trope (without the -) ... chroot him. now. ok, im done. [14:07] phrag: right. i've been monitoring that [14:08] the owner of the company said to get something "big" [14:08] weird... just logged into my gmail and got red warning at the top of page.. "Warning: We believe that your account was recently accessed from: United Kingdom." ...no shit, i live in the UK =P [14:09] lol [14:09] phrag: careful, those uk'ers can't be trusted :P [14:09] jimi: sweet, well ram, fast disk, decent ether pipe [14:09] i guess it he wants to throw money around i could get dual opterons with 6 cores each and have one core per user [14:09] raendeer: so i heard! =P [14:10] jimi: no - go quad processor :) [14:10] ahd at least 8GB ram per [14:10] :) [14:10] NyteOwl: oh i thought about it :) [14:10] jimi: if you wanted, you could craft VM's for groups of users... would load balance better that way [14:10] lol [14:11] kde4 is using a lot more ram than kde3 did on slack 12.1 [14:11] easier to maintain VM's too [14:11] phrag: yep, same problem here [14:11] well, supposedly =P [14:12] (another slackware64-current box) [14:12] I started with a fresh new sshd_config file [14:12] Kenjiro: definjately worth firing a quick email to pat [14:12] volkerdi@slackware.com [14:12] only with ".ssh/authorized_keys" it doesn't work. Changing to "%h/.ssh/authorized_keys" works like a charm [14:12] the X terminals also don't seem to support the same colour depth as kde4 is running at. some window decorations are very grainy or mis-coloured. [14:12] will, do [14:13] nice one =) [14:14] anybody here use munin over cacti [14:15] Agh okay so I found out my volume buttons are working, just arent interfacing with ALSA [14:15] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] did a cat /proc/acpi/ibm/volume and its showing changes in the level when i press the buttons [14:17] tie the keys in amixer maybe? [14:17] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:17] Axius (~hi@109.97.49.191) joined ##slackware. [14:18] ok, email sent [14:18] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:19] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [14:19] how can i download everything from alienBOB [14:19] website *.tgz or *.txz [14:19] rizitis (~rizitis@62.169.254.161) joined ##slackware. [14:20] iAVOR: perhaps rsync, curl or wget w/ the appropriate flags. [14:20] ive tried wget http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/13.0/*.txz [14:20] and it gives me error that couldnt reach the page [14:20] iAVOR: that wont work [14:20] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:20] only in ftp are globs supported [14:20] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:20] iAVOR: lftp -o "open http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/; mirror 13.0" [14:20] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ gives instructions right in the text [14:21] any other method i could use? [14:21] iAVOR: the one i just gave you, which is also mentioned in the README [14:21] iAVOR: I have even documented how you should download the stuff [14:21] alienBOB: =) [14:21] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:21] thanks ill look into it [14:21] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [14:22] the first time i downloaded all of the compat32 packages manually and it was very frustrating :D [14:22] thanks alienBlurb [14:22] alienBOB: [14:22] :D [14:22] alienBOB: kudos on the kde 4.4.2 builds - working excellent over here. [14:23] eviljames: good! [14:23] aciar (1000@dhcp-046-133.cns.ohiou.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:23] compared to other documention, slack docs tend to be short, consice, and written in 'plain english'... ergo no excuse not to read when required =P [14:24] same here... although still never managed to set my time in kde correctly.. it picked up the system time though after restarting kde, so that's fine for now [14:24] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] but runnign very smoothly indeed on both my high end desktop and worktop [14:26] my clock is still something like 68 minutes wrong. Haven't even bothered to investigate why yet... perhaps that's a productive way to spend company time this morning ;) [14:26] also... auto configured my laptop screen and external on first kde boot... never had that before =) [14:26] eviljames: lol [14:27] least you have an excuse to miss meetings =P [14:28] Axius (~hi@109.97.49.191) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:30] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dehwntdpnqgpgpsd) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:30] phrag try krandrtray, cool tool to setup one big desktop spanning your two monitors - without am xorg.conf [14:31] ooh, that does sound juicy [14:32] i was also playing with synergy... that's pretty awesome too [14:32] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] wait [14:32] ..although i'm not so sure about the security implications of it, will have to do some digging [14:32] alias dualleft='xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --primary --output VGA1 --auto --left-of LVDS1' [14:32] eviljames: my car clock is 17 (maybe 18 now) minutes fast. I made it through a whole dst span without changing it :D [14:33] Action: guax have, dualoff, dualeft, dualright, dualmirror [14:33] =P [14:33] raendeer: hahahah, nice. [14:33] guax, that's not so convenient ;) [14:33] phrag: Synergy is supercool. [14:33] phrag: As far security concerns go - it's pretty wide open and afaik there aren't really safeguards in place in the software. iptables to the rescue! [14:34] thrice`, why not? its perfect. just type dualleft and bazinga you have a cool extended desktop :D [14:34] totally! =) [14:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:34] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [14:34] eviljames: well on a corporate vpn, i wouldn't be so bothered...but outside of that i would definately lay some rules down [14:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:35] phrag: I had, at one point in time, 3 machines on synergy: laptop, workstation and a server. The workstation had 2xATI cards, 4x 19" monitors. The server had a single 19". I had a near 180 deg desktop hahahah [14:35] Action: guax didnt know about synergy [14:35] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] eviljames: in fact that's my next mission when i get a spare minute at work.. lock down synergy and have it span 3 boxes =) [14:35] eviljames, please, stop. thats disgusting [14:35] eviljames: spoilt! that sounds awesome =) [14:36] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [14:36] guax, better would be 1 script, that had 4 arguments :) "dual -left" etc [14:36] phrag: Let me know if/how performance over the VPN is affected. I would expect there to be a slight lag in mouse movement.. [14:36] thrice`, alias >> .profile was waaaay faster by the time =P [14:36] tgoya (~tgoya@phi.ghs.com) joined ##slackware. [14:36] since i use mostly just dualleft [14:36] guax: Sadly, I don't have room on my desk for all that stuff anymore, but it was sweet while it lasted. I use a much more modest 2x19" now :P [14:37] :P [14:37] yeh, well i'll only be using it inside corp lan, at a physically fairly secure location.. i will test it over a vpn though, i'm sure the extra overhead may introduce fairly substantial lag [14:37] i have my notebooks 13.1 screen and a 15' standard screen [14:38] i kinda want a 24" dell ultrasharp... [14:39] but then again i could prob get 3 lower spec 22" for the same price [14:39] i want a 34234234" that covers all the wall with a ultramodafucka video card to play crysis with 1:1 guns and explosions and etc [14:39] despiron (~despiron@187.64.98.14) joined ##slackware. [14:39] guax: we all want that [14:40] phrag, and i want a internet connection made of awesomeness as well [14:40] that pretty much fills my dreamlist [14:40] i may come into the office one weekend and steal everyone's monitor and stack them into one mind blowing array 8oD [14:40] ahahhaa [14:41] alienBOB: hello there [14:41] we have a lot of spare monitors here, but not enought video outs to make the array [14:42] this is true... a shit load of pci slots and cards might do the trick =P [14:42] two monster firegl with 6 outs from ati in crossfire should do a nice trick as well [14:43] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-qwqnpkadrlelcbyu) joined ##slackware. [14:44] alienBOB: again, congrats for the kde-4.4.2 packs ;) [14:45] Hi Kenjiro and welcome back to Slackware [14:47] http://justimho.blogspot.com/2010/04/ubuntu-considering-critical-bugs.html lol [14:48] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:48] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:50] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:51] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: workshop time! [14:51] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [14:51] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.54.191) joined ##slackware. [14:52] alienBOB: ahahahah thanks for the welcome ;) [14:52] Kenjiro: your nick is familiar, did you frequent this channel years ago? [14:53] phrag: I come here from time to time [14:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:53] or you saw my nick on a forum (linux related)... [14:53] He's a spy! [14:53] jkwood: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [14:53] ah, i must be thinking of a different ken (6+ years ago)... wow, more than one ken in the world, what are the odds =P [14:53] don't spread the word :P [14:53] Kenjiro: I am too, don't worry, it's common knolwedge. [14:54] phrag: but I use freenode since.... holycrap, I can't remember [14:54] india has been a victim of widespread computer espionage for years according to a recent report [14:55] phrag: don't blame me for that [14:55] ..they also mentioned the dalai lama's email had be intercepted by foreign bodies for a long time.. wonder how usefull that was lol [14:56] Kenjiro: someone has to take the fall! =P [14:56] Kenjiro, you've been spoofing dalai lama's mails? o_O [14:56] I think it was.... jkwood then [14:56] guax: no no, I don't spoof his emails, I just read them [14:56] damn, did I "write that out loud"? [14:57] wol? [14:57] ok, it was my dog typing that [14:57] :p [14:59] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:01] i use to come on this channel as slackslut , got alot of pm's from the ops [15:02] were they hitting on you? [15:02] some of them were. ;) [15:02] they sent me custom slackbuilds [15:02] extra on the comments [15:03] lol, who? [15:03] BP{k}: for the millionth time , im a guy you gotta stop hitting on me [15:04] xsamurai: Well you kinda (well utterly) fail there. Since you said the ops were hitting on you. I am not an op. :P [15:04] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:06] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-131-51.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:07] can someone please make me a sandwhich [15:07] phrag, here, take this one [15:07] sudo make me a sandwich? [15:07] Action: guax handles a sandwich to phrag [15:07] a handled sandwhich o.0 [15:07] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:08] apt-get send sandwich [15:08] phrag: stop being lazy .. "sbopkg -b sandwhich" ;) [15:08] danke.. although all this talk of sandwhich, i'm gonna have to make a real one now [15:08] phrag: http://xkcd.com/149/ [15:09] shit, im hungry now [15:09] =P [15:09] :) [15:10] sandwich served by a french maid would be nice [15:10] eviljames you're canadian, thats french enough put on the outfit [15:12] hmm steak dinner \o/ [15:15] alienBOB: awwwwww still no sftp support on dolphin? Bad you! LOL [15:15] Not going to add it either [15:16] so mean [15:17] hehe [15:18] Kenjiro, tomo? [15:18] guax: ahahahaha [15:18] [stat1c] (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:19] that will force me to recompile some pieces of kde :( [15:19] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] and I came back to slack just to be rid of compiling kde *LOL* [15:19] Why would you use Slackware if your motivation was to not compile? [15:19] At least it's down to one package now [15:20] straterra: bw64 is dead, that's why [15:20] So? [15:20] alienBOB: one package too many *plays the violin for Kenjiro* [15:20] Slackware has never been known for not needing to compile apps [15:20] So, create your own set of KDE 4.4 packages _with_ whatever you want added xsamurai [15:21] that should be the motto [15:21] alienBOB: you missed the sarcasm =P [15:21] sarcasm is hard in text :P [15:21] [15:21] fixd [15:22] haha [15:22] Kenjiro, why use dolphin for sftp? [15:22] shy sftp anyways? =P [15:22] s/shy/why/g [15:22] s/^s/w/g [15:23] err no g [15:23] fail :P [15:24] Action: xsamurai slaps Necos , outcome is the same, just the g is not needed [15:24] that felt good , Necos can I slap you often ? [15:24] Action: Necos slaps xsamurai with a Perl regex [15:24] Action: xsamurai slaps Necos with vim regex [15:25] lol [15:25] this is like me and fire|bird stabbing each other :P [15:25] perl is for crack whores and kids with ADHD [15:25] perl is awesome mang :P [15:26] yeah back in the 90's it was [15:26] lol [15:26] soooooooooooooooooooo long ago [15:26] I actually like to maintain and read code after 2 days of writing it [15:26] that's why and decent programmer documetns their code [15:26] thats like web 1.0 mannnn [15:28] (c) oreilly [15:28] guax: why not using the file manager to do that? [15:28] easier to copy folders from on computer to another ;) [15:28] vcampos (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) joined ##slackware. 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[16:30] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Client Quit [16:34] i updated -current last night and now can't boot [16:34] details: [16:34] slackware 64 with generic kernel and initrd [16:34] booting normally hangs after the lilo screen [16:35] did you update the kernel last night? [16:35] yeah [16:35] did you run lilo? [16:35] just now I mounted the partitition and redid the initrd stuff [16:35] I did [16:35] however now when I run lilo manually it gives a syntax error [16:36] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@81.193.134.157) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:36] which says? [16:36] which it probably did last night, and I just didn;t see it [16:36] one sec [16:36] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:36] sbin/lilo: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected [16:38] Action: admboom dosn't recall () being part of line 1 of lilo.conf [16:38] doesn't* [16:38] me either [16:38] and have rechecked it too [16:38] paste your lilo.conf :> [16:38] or, fix line 1 [16:39] line 1 is a comment [16:39] # Lilo configuration file [16:40] are you running lilo from the chroot ? [16:40] or just from the install media or so [16:40] install media [16:40] oooh, good guess [16:40] prolly I need to chroot? [16:41] you need to also mount the /dev tree in there (mount -o bind /dev /mnt/ ), /proc too (mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc)., and chroot in (chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash) [16:41] heh, which gives the same error "(" [16:41] maddslacker: did your drives show up as hda or sda before upgrading to current? [16:41] assuming /mnt is where you placed the root partition [16:41] sda, before and after [16:41] root partition is / , no? [16:41] oslo_ (~andre_@212.183.140.96) joined ##slackware. [16:42] ok, lets back up; I assume you had mounted the root partition somewhere. have you only booted the install CD? [16:42] assumed* [16:42] oh right [16:42] I just made a dir [16:42] I can mount it under /mnt tho [16:42] ok, so where did you mount the root partition to? [16:42] if you encrypt you swap should top show the usage still ? [16:43] ok I backed up...root partition is unmounted [16:43] ive done swapoff /dev/mapper/cryptswap and i get not errors would there be if i hadent set it up right ? [16:43] where should I mount it per your above suggestion? [16:44] /mnt [16:44] k [16:44] strankan (~strankan@c-7cce70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:44] then do /dev and /proc per above, and do the chroot after [16:44] ah [16:44] /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt [16:45] now I'll mount the rest of what you said [16:45] ok, then "mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev" , "mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc" , "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" [16:46] then try lilo -v , and see what it says [16:46] all good except "/mnt/proc doesn't exist" [16:46] can I mkdir it or touch it ? [16:47] nobody encrypt swap ? [16:47] did you do my second "mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc" ? [16:47] yeah' [16:47] oslo, encrypted swap means it's encrypted on disk [16:47] says it's already mounted [16:47] o_O [16:47] does it complain about /proc, or device-mapper ? [16:48] ok, nm it had mounted the first time I guess [16:48] ok, chroot [16:48] "lilo -v" [16:48] yeah thrice` how can i tell it worked ? ...i follwed alienbobs howto my other partitions are working fine but im not sure about swap [16:48] error on chroot [16:48] oslo_, yes crypt swap shows up just like regular swap [16:48] /bin/bash no such file or dir [16:49] maddslacker, ok, are you SURE you mounted your / partition, and not another? try "ls /mnt" and see if it looks like / should [16:49] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_drichme [16:49] admboom, if i use top should it show swap usage ....it hasnt used any ...i dont have much ram so it should be using soe [16:49] it did, but checking again [16:49] some* [16:49] whoa [16:50] heh [16:50] /dev is mounted there [16:50] ok, umount /mnt and try to "ls /mnt" again [16:50] now it looks right [16:50] you might have had a typo with "mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev" [16:50] all the usual suspects [16:50] I think so [16:50] (the trailing "dev" is important ;) [16:51] oslo_, top should show swap usage, although if you haven't maxed RAM and depending on what swappiness is set to, it is not surprising to not use any swap [16:51] thrice`, a bit...heh [16:51] is there anyway to check admboom ? [16:52] thrice`, still get an error on chroot, cannot execute /bin/bash: Exec format error [16:52] would there be any harm in rebooting offf the dvd and starting fresh? [16:52] is /bin/bash a symlink or something ? [16:52] weird [16:52] shouldn't be [16:52] nope [16:52] it's an executable [16:53] i dont think it working ....im using kde ...to use some swap ..i normally use fluxbox cause i only have 756 mem of ddr1 [16:53] /mnt/bin/bash doesn't exist? [16:53] does /mnt/bin exist? [16:53] it does, but I still get the error [16:53] /mnt/bin/bash is there and is executable [16:54] oslo_, maybe, run vmstat in one term, and vi a massive file? [16:54] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] ima reboot it [16:54] maddslacker, are you on slackware 64 ? [16:54] hold on one second [16:54] thrice`, yes, 64 [16:54] can you see what "file /mnt/bin/bash" says ? [16:54] ok ill try that admboom [16:54] I was also in setup when i first booted [16:54] one sec [16:54] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:54] see if you notice a "64-bit" or "32-bit" file [16:55] <- also pretending to work [16:55] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] i.e. work from home day :D [16:55] speaking of, I'm leaving in ~2 mins :> [16:55] oslo_, vmstat takes an argument in seconds for update "vmstat 2" will update every 2 secs. Watch the "si" and "so" columns if it swaps those will reflect it [16:55] not 6 mins? [16:56] what file you reckon i should vi admboom ? [16:56] well, shutting down in ~2 mins [16:56] maddslacker, you don't need the entire "file /mnt/bin/bash" just the "ELF 32-bit" or "ELF 64-bit" part [16:56] thrice`, syntax error when I do file /mnt/bin/bash [16:56] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Quit: shutting down NOW [16:56] ^^ [16:57] maddslacker, mm, one more to try: "ls /mnt/var/log/packages/bash*" ? [16:57] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:57] twanny796 (~twanny@78.133.75.236) joined ##slackware. [16:57] x86_64 [16:57] 4.4.blah [16:57] 4.1 i mean [16:57] adm i vi'd syslog nothing just zero ? [16:58] maddslacker, OK, sorry, I'm not sure why it wouldn't work then. I figured you installed 32-bit items in your update [16:58] anyway, gotta run :) good luck [16:59] laters [16:59] thrice`, I do have multilibs installed actuallt [16:59] y [16:59] ill have a read of the howto again [17:00] Zordrak: up? what's the performance improvement of putting the xfs log on another disk? [17:02] any other ideas as to why I can no longer boot, and lilo won't run? [17:04] oslo_, are you wanting it to swap? [17:04] yeah to test it's working admboom [17:05] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-162.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] oslo_, you could fill up /dev/shm, copy a bunch of stuff to it or use dd [17:06] would reduce your free ram [17:06] wouldn't free show the availabe in swap and therefore that it is working? [17:06] top and free both show used/avail swap [17:06] it normally uses some swap when im using kde [17:07] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@89.214.221.77) joined ##slackware. [17:07] right, wouldn't that prove the point though? [17:07] ive started a few apps to see what happens but nothing [17:08] yeah it should the amount swap available [17:08] show* [17:08] but nothing used at all [17:08] are you trying to prove id encrypted swap is still available? [17:09] *if [17:10] well im not sure if its working ...ive just set it up as encrypted (if i did it right) [17:12] well [17:12] if free shows anything, then I would think it's 1) not encrypted, or 2) encrypted and working properly [17:13] are you using a swap partition or file? [17:13] partition [17:13] why not use a file, wouldn't that make this whole thing easier? [17:14] ive never done it that way ...ive been following http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/README_CRYPT.TXT <- that [17:15] ah [17:15] I don't bother to encrypt, I just shave my head, grow a long goatee and keep a gun next to my laptop [17:15] same net effect [17:15] I do use a swap file though, just not encrypted [17:15] i dont normally just thought id try it [17:16] yeah [17:16] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:16] I'm supposed to for work but haven't gotten around to it [17:16] ill read it agian and see if or where i went wrong [17:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:17] fenriz (~fenriz@95.179.94.219) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [17:21] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:21] does Xen require hardware virtualization support? [17:21] caoliver (~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Pretty sure, yes. [17:21] :| [17:22] i'm closer...I fixed lilo so it tries to boot, but now it says modules-2.5.33.1 not installed and kernel panics [17:22] ugh [17:22] strange, their site says that vt-x is *supported* since 3.0 [17:22] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:22] and no clear info whether it is required or not anywhere [17:25] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Hmm... I could devinitely be wrong, then. [17:26] so where can I get the kernel-generic-modules packge? [17:26] I don't see it on the site or DVD [17:26] kopie (~kopie@brln-4d0c7db9.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [17:27] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Blackice (~Jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] PACKAGE NAME: kernel-modules-2.6.33.1-x86_64-1.txz || PACKAGE LOCATION: ./slackware64/a [17:28] oh, I was in k [17:28] thanks admboom [17:28] np [17:29] caoliver (oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [17:30] caoliver (~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:31] caoliver (oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [17:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:32] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [17:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.104.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:56] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [17:57] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:00] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:02] Tomorrow is the day. Tomorrow is the day that my workstation is free from Fedora's evil clutches, and has the pure goodness of slackware-current installed on it. [18:02] Action: eviljames awaits with bated breath. [18:02] heh [18:02] mine's so pure right now that it won't even boot :( [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:05] maddslacker: orly? forgot to run lilo after replacing your kernel? [18:06] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:07] eviljames, I *think* I said 'y' after slackpkg updated, but the only logical explanation is that I fat fingered it [18:07] I just got it back [18:08] ahh, slackpkg. rsync + {upgrade,install,remove}pkg = the way. [18:08] with huge kernel, now I think I just need to redo my initrd and I can switch back to generic [18:08] or not [18:08] Not that it would obviate your responsibility to run lilo again after a kernel update, I just find that doing it step-by-step or by hand or whatever you want to call it makes me slightly more cautious. Certainly more cognizant of what I'm doing. [18:08] eidos (~eidos@189.27.102.170.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:09] me too usually, I think I just hit some other key and lilo didn;t run and I didn't recheck it [18:09] heh ouch [18:09] and then I was trying to rescue it with a 32bit setup dvd...heh [18:09] *63 bit os [18:09] 4 [18:09] so that was a fail [18:09] once I got the 64 bit dvd I booted and fixed in a jiffy [18:10] heh [18:10] my server is 13.0 so I don;t have all this fun there [18:10] heh [18:12] i'm working on my kids' laptop in the interim, also 13.0 [18:15] nepper (~furb@189.31.116.2) left irc: Read error: No route to host [18:18] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [18:18] eviljames, looks like I did run lilo, but also needed to rebuild initrd against the new kernel [18:18] I think [18:18] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-69-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:19] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-73-37.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:39] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [18:39] could be video drivers [18:40] i.e. the windows ones being better written and drive the card better/cooler [18:40] but that's just a guess [18:40] could it be windows defaulting to higher fan speeds? [18:40] I have the opposite on this laptop...Linux runs cooler/quieter [18:41] jgor: no, its lower speeds than in slack, and lower temp reading in win. [18:41] maddslacker: u could be right [18:42] maddslacker: what graphic card you have on lap? [18:42] Intel 4500 [18:42] Razec (~razec@187-27-198-22.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:42] thought soo [18:42] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Client Quit [18:42] mine is integrated hd 4200 [18:44] HD? [18:44] yeah [18:44] is that a brand? [18:44] its ati :) [18:44] HD4200 :) [18:44] ah [18:44] ati linux drivers are pure crap [18:45] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:45] are you using the 'radeon' driver, or the proprietery ones? [18:45] proprietary ones [18:45] radeon is not working well [18:45] i hate ati cards [18:46] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:46] ok ok :) [18:46] but that would be my guess as to temp [18:46] but it's just a guess [18:46] i hate them too, but trying to figure out whats idle-ing so bad in slack [18:47] hi guys, how can i disable the --x--x--x permission of the regular files for the mounted windows partitions and juliet dvds? [18:47] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [18:47] juliet :) [18:47] pupit: which chip is that based on? [18:47] /for/from [18:47] pupit, what does top say [18:47] maddslacker: I disagree, the latest batch of radeon stuff works really, really well for me. [18:47] eviljames, cool [18:47] eviljames: uhm let me see [18:47] tbh I haven't had a very new one [18:47] maddslacker: the open source stuff, that is. fglrx never seemed to behave the way I wanted it to. [18:48] same here [18:48] now I just don't use ATI -> solved [18:48] heh [18:48] eviljames: 785g chipset with sb710 [18:48] pupit: that's from the line in lspci about your video card? [18:49] eldragon: with different mount options, I suppose. [18:49] eviljames: no fom motherboard box :) [18:49] pupit: heh.. /sbin/lspci | grep -i vga [18:49] tgoya (~tgoya@phi.ghs.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:50] have to su for lspci :S [18:50] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [18:50] really? I don't think I have to. [18:50] let's see /exec -o /sbin/lspci | grep -i vga [18:50] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV620 LE [Radeon HD 3450] [18:51] root@DEUS:/etc/rc.d# /sbin/lspci | grep -i vga [18:51] 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9710 [18:51] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:52] we can shake hands: its ATI [18:53] sh: lspci: command not found [18:53] I have to su as well it seems [18:53] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.193) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Or you could put /sbin in front of it and try again? [18:54] meh [18:54] I know what card i have, and it works great [18:54] heh [18:54] it does work better with generic kernel than it does with huge [18:54] for whatever reason [18:54] pupit: is it pretty new? [18:55] 2-3 months [18:55] it has a ddr3 memory [18:56] its IGP as mentioned before [18:57] i can try to update the kernel to 2.6.33 and recompile it for my board and my needs [18:57] or update to 2.6.33.{1,2} somewhere in there [18:57] or run windows [18:57] Action: maddslacker ducks [18:58] make sure you get the latest firmware bits, possibly going to a git version of xf86-video-ati... [18:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] Someone more knowledgable on radeon stuff (*cough*adamk*cough*) would be able to give much better advice. [18:58] eviljames: thanks :) i appreciate :) [18:59] well, its a lot of work in front of me to solve this [19:00] Less than you might imagine. :P [19:01] fwiw, at least, I'm on an older card as you see above.. until the very latest batch of -current, I had to build custom kernel, build libdrm/mesa/xf86-video-ati all from git, etc. etc. [19:01] pupit: but now -current has .33.1, has updated libdrm/mesa. Hopefully you'd be able to do kernel + ati driver and you'll be golden [19:01] but I can't say for sure :/ [19:02] eviljames: you have a point, i have waited for a month to catalyst 10.3. show up cause 10.2 didnt work with a 2.6.33 [19:03] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-188-2-53-32.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:04] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [19:05] downgrading it to 2.6.29 and waiting. and, i did not know the temperature difference until my urge to play some new games in windows didnt come up. and to say, as soon as was done with games: reset, login, startx. [19:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:08] pupit: which card? [19:09] 4200? [19:11] your card is weird: I don't get what it's supposed to be: I have a 780g chipset and an IGP 4200 ( ATI Technologies Inc RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] ) [19:11] Camarade_Tux: its a 785g chipset [19:12] pupit: grep Chipset /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:14] Camarade_Tux: BIOSTAR TA785G3 # grep chipset /var/log/Xorg.0.log / (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported [19:14] right, stupid of me [19:14] # grep Chipset /var/log/Xorg.0.log / (--) Chipset Supported AMD Graphics Processor (0x9710) found (--) fglrx(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon HD 4200" (Chipset = 0x9710) [19:14] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [19:15] pupit: bah, I hadn't seen you said 4200 before [19:15] :) [19:15] pupit: 2.6.33 has a problem with our card, it's fixed in 2.6.34 however [19:15] (well, 2.6.34-rc3) [19:15] super! [19:16] just more patience then [19:16] I think they introduced the bug during one of the last 2.6.33 rc [19:16] =) [19:16] "Linux nabucho 2.6.34-rc3 #29 SMP Wed Apr 7 11:58:21 CEST 2010 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux" =) [19:16] Linux DEUS 2.6.29.6-smp #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 00:52:54 CDT 2009 i686 AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 545 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [19:16] will need updated firmwares but they are easy to find (first google hit) [19:17] going to bed, good night [19:17] Camarade_Tux: good night then, thanks for tip ;) [19:18] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Quit: felipe [19:19] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-188-2-53-32.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:19] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[19:48] fred (~fred@slamd64/fred) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:50] hm. Does anyone know a good (as in, easy to use) solution for capturing all audio output from an app? [19:50] fred (~fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Nick change: fred -> Guest45471 [19:50] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:51] right now, I know how to set up ~/.asoundrc to capture audio to a wav file, but it's all-or-nothing (affects all apps launched after changing .asoundrc) [19:51] looking for a way to selectively turn it on & off, and/or capture from already-running apps [19:52] any such thing exist, that anyone knows of? [19:52] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:53] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) joined ##slackware. [19:55] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:58] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [20:00] caixabox_ (~c9354334@gateway/web/freenode/x-dpnmgwixmbnswqwe) joined ##slackware. [20:00] guax (1000@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [20:03] twofifos (~neutrino@60.234.28.98) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:04] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Urchlay: i don't know enough (yet) to help, but pulseaudio might just do what you want [20:04] i have to go afk for a while, i'll look into it later [20:05] caixabox_ (~c9354334@gateway/web/freenode/x-dpnmgwixmbnswqwe) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:06] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:07] [stat1c] (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [20:07] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:08] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] was I the only one not to know of this site? http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ [20:10] Yes. [20:10] eviljames: that website is so 5 years ago [20:11] lame. [20:11] john_dee (~id@93-81-136-206.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:13] mwnn (~user@59.92.150.38) joined ##slackware. [20:14] trhodes: hm. will look into it. Basically, I want to be able to record (as a wav file) anything I can hear, which seems like it ought to be easy to implement [20:14] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Urchlay: just run the headphone out from your speakers to your line in. Should be fine, I promise! [20:16] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] yeah, but it seems like a lame solution [20:16] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [20:16] Urchlay: or it induces a crazy feedback loop... [20:17] the card converts digital to analog, then back from analog to digital [20:17] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.122) joined ##slackware. [20:17] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) joined ##slackware. [20:21] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [20:22] j0z (~SPH@189.58.25.164) joined ##slackware. [20:22] j0z (~SPH@189.58.25.164) left irc: Changing host [20:22] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [20:22] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [20:24] does anything go in /usr/X11R6 anymore? [20:25] no [20:26] that should have links to the /usr/bin and similar [20:26] just in case old apps try to use then [20:26] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:26] but no new thing should use that obsolete dir [20:32] thx [20:35] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.193) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:35] theblackerbox (~sammo@188-220-104-114.zone11.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:41] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:41] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] greetings and salutations [20:42] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.193) joined ##slackware. [20:43] flatulations? what? [20:43] Urchlay: is this any help? http://www.swview.org/node/213 [20:44] thrice`, you around? [20:49] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:49] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:50] trhodes: that's basically what I'm doing now [20:50] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:51] one major disadvantage of doing it that way: it only works for apps that are started (or anyway that open the ALSA device) after the .asoundrc gets changed [20:51] Razec (~razec@187-27-198-22.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:52] another major disadvantage: it captures audio from *all* apps that are started afterwards [20:52] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:53] yeah, you might get around that by using some of alsa's environment variables: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html [20:53] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] mm [20:54] basically, I run into a lot of audio/video stuff on peoples' websites (including *shudder* myspace and facebook), and I don't want to have to reverse-engineer every single proprietary flash/whatever player to be able to copy the audio [20:54] myspace is horribly [20:54] as in, I'm going to do a gig with some band, who tells me "go to http://blahblah and learn the song $whatever" [20:54] *horrible [20:54] so I dutifully go there and sit in front of the PC with guitar or bass [20:55] ahh ok [20:55] didn't know there was an official slackware channel :| [20:55] would have been here earlier [20:55] what I want is to snag the audio and stick it on something that doesn't require a PC to play (so I can sit e.g. in the living room and work on it, or listen to it over & over again in the car) [20:55] it's official ? :P [20:56] i'd imagine it be somewhat official [20:56] who cares [20:56] the ## means it's not official... but it's "officially unofficial" in that PV is known to hang out here sometimes [20:56] haha [20:56] you're using firefox for this flash awfulness ? [20:57] firefox, yah. Or seamonkey [20:57] chromium's starting to pick up [20:57] if only they could fix file uploads and a few other kinks [20:58] What it means is that Pat V hasn't done the paperwork and paid the fees Freenode stupidly requires. [20:58] guax (1000@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:58] not real interested in switching browsers, but I would if some other browser specifically addressed the thing I'm trying to do (highly unlikely since they all use the same binary-only libflashplayer.so) [20:58] yeah Urchlay [20:58] jkwood: ?! freenode seriously requires paying a fee to reg a channel? [20:58] jkwood, he could run his own irc btw... [20:58] shouldn't it be renamed "paynode" in that case? [20:58] i have a channel registered to me - its free [20:59] inspireircd is piss easy to set up [20:59] used it on my torrent tracker before it shut down [20:59] Urchlay: Pretty sure. I do know they require ridiculous paperwork. [20:59] bleah [21:00] jkwood [21:00] /chanserv register #dongparty doesn't require paperwork [21:01] mach_kernel: On Freenode it does. [21:01] i just did [21:01] free [21:01] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] WHAT?!\ [21:01] when did they do this? [21:01] PV probably doesn't want to run his own ircd (if it ends up with lots of users, it becomes a significant amount of work to admin it. He'd likely rather spend his time working on Slackware...) [21:01] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:01] i had a channel here once sans the ## part [21:01] and sans the paperwork [21:01] =S [21:02] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:02] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:02] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:02] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:02] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:02] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [21:02] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Urchlay I had over 1,000 members in a channel at once, it isn't hard if you know what you're doing [21:03] a man who's in charge of a linux distro shouldn't have problems [21:03] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] mach_kernel: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming [21:06] haha wow [21:06] back in like '01-'02 this wasn't the case [21:06] freenode was a different place then. [21:06] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:07] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-184-34.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] much [21:07] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [21:07] jkwood it's funny how things change, y'know [21:08] everybody wants to turn a profit and ooze sophistication for no reason [21:09] caixabox_ (~c9354334@gateway/web/freenode/x-aspdtgdshhvblmqr) joined ##slackware. [21:11] ...or cover their costs and keep up with the times. [21:11] yeah that makes sense too i guess [21:12] although i don't see how much profit they're getting out of this [21:12] brb [21:13] Nick change: mach_kernel -> mach_kernel|AFKK [21:14] rworkman: Around? [21:14] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:16] jkwood: sorta [21:17] I think i found a hole in slackboy. [21:18] Ooh, that's not good, but I'm not the responsible party. /msg details though [21:18] Action: jkwood looks slightly up [21:19] jkwood, is that what she said? [21:19] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:19] nope. She didn't say that. She wasn't able to say anything at the time. [21:19] mach_kernel|AFKK: the "AFK*" string shouldn't be used, fwiw [21:20] Nick change: mach_kernel|AFKK -> mach_kernel [21:20] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] hi all! [21:20] HI!!!! [21:20] afk [21:20] mach_kernel: thanks :) Use /away instead [21:20] I'm about to install slackware on one of my older computers that doesn't have a dvd/rw drive [21:20] hexdump_ i did it on something with only a floppy and one usb 1.1 port ;) [21:20] hexdump_: sweet. samba/nfs install? using a jump drive? [21:20] and I wanted to know if I need all 6 cd's for a full install or can I use just one and install additional packages later? [21:21] imo if it has a usb port [21:21] hexdump_: cd1 [21:21] hexdump_: just disc 1. [21:21] if it has a usb port just download the dvd and carefully customize what you want [21:21] alright sweet, this will be my first install of slackware. I've heard a lot of good things about it [21:21] hexdump_ it will make you need new underwear when you start using it [21:22] lol nice [21:22] Only because we require heavy drinking. Guinness tends to do that. [21:22] caixabox_ (~c9354334@gateway/web/freenode/x-aspdtgdshhvblmqr) left irc: Quit: ZzZzzZZzZZzzZZzZZzZZZZzzzzzZZZzz [21:22] what does it use like gnome, fluxbox, KDE errr? [21:22] anything [21:22] lxde is nice for older stuff [21:22] alright very nice, very nice [21:22] i personally like windowmaker and fuxbox but jwm and LXDE are nice too [21:23] *fluxbox damn typos [21:23] well all thanks for the help, I'm going to go ahead and install... [21:23] fuxbox would be a weird wm [21:23] fuxbox heh heh [21:23] alright thanks again, gotta run. I'm going to go install now. [21:23] have fun [21:23] thanks see ya [21:24] when in doubt...well...when in doubt pray you didn't fuck it up [21:24] :P [21:25] ah, solution is simpler than I think: run alsamixer, set the capture device to "Mix", then run "arecord -f cd stuff.wav" [21:26] Urchlay: aplay > /dev/urandom [21:26] (won't necessarily work with all sound cards, happens to work with mine though) [21:26] i'm just having one problem with my slack install [21:26] I used to run "tcpdump -w /dev/dsp" [21:26] could somewhat hear the difference between different types of traffic [21:27] wild :) [21:27] haha [21:27] whenever i add a user - that user can't run anything in /sbin it seems - and i added it to the appropriate groups [21:27] power, lp, audio, etc etc [21:27] not even if you type the full path? as a user, can you type "/sbin/ifconfig -a" and get a list of interfaces? [21:28] mach_kernel: echo $PATH - is /sbin:/usr/sbin present? [21:28] Urchlay: you're lucky you've got a "Mix" device :) [21:29] the default PATH for non-root users on Slackware apparently doesn't include /sbin or /usr/sbin (I say "apparently" because I've been using the same .bash_profile and .bashrc for 10-12 years now, so I dunno what the default might be in this year's Slackware) [21:30] eviljames it is [21:30] or wait i'd have to check on that after i'm done with this history crap [21:30] Urchlay: nor should it. /sbin is not for regular users. [21:30] i can't halt/shutdown/reboot/alsaconf/take a dump/etc [21:31] run the command groups, if not all your groups are there, logout/login [21:31] tried [21:31] eviljames: eh, anything that requires root privs, will require them whether the user's got /sbin in his path or not. I personally like being able to type "ifconfig" as a user without remembering the /sbin prefix... or "sudo installpkg blah.tgz" [21:31] i might need package management [21:31] generaly those commands are not allowed to be run by users [21:32] for shutdown type stuff check into the power group [21:32] i did [21:32] it's acting strangely [21:32] define strangely [21:32] erm [21:32] not working after doing said steps [21:32] :P [21:32] been using slackware since release 1 ffs never had that problem [21:32] but I wouldn't try to talk PV into putting /sbin:/usr/sbin into the PATH by default, or anything. My box works like I want it to, yours works like you want it to, no problem [21:33] Urchlay: heheh that's indeed part of the joy of slackware. it's your linux distro [21:33] when was rls 1, round, 1994 or so? [21:33] 1993? [21:34] been hooked ever since [21:34] although i must say debian isn't doing bad but tons of bload [21:34] *bloat [21:34] slackware 1.0 was before my time, think I started with 3.0, but it was already outdated (just was the only CD I could lay hands on at the time) [21:34] they win @ package management though [21:34] They fail miserably at package management. The only distro that wins at package management is slack. [21:34] heh, I read that as "tons of blood", was going to correct you (*gallons* of blood!) [21:34] barrels of blood [21:35] eviljames, slapt-get needs work [21:35] mach_kernel: slapt-get is retarded. [21:35] mach_kernel: after a user is part of the power group they can use hal methods. halt and the others are still require root privs [21:35] mach_kernel: {install,upgrade,remove}pkg - that's all you need. [21:35] slackpkg is useful for updates [21:35] heh, slackware actually has the concept of "power users" now :) [21:36] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.53.194) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Urchlay: why did we come down to the "power user" level? It should've stayed an elitist distro. [21:36] Action: eviljames packs up his toys and goes to play in a different sandbox ;) [21:37] higuita: i could see that. [21:38] eviljames i agree just saying - they make it easier [21:38] not going to change my ways anytime soon [21:38] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [21:38] been faithful since 1 ;) [21:39] M1ck3y's n00b question of the day! Is there still a "UNIX" operating system? I keep hearing things are "UNIX based" but is there anyone, or is it even possible to run just UNIX? [21:39] mach_kernel: I've always found that apt, pacman, yum, etc...they either get in the way, or they have strange dependency resolution issues, or they fsck up and really hose your system (I think this is less common these days..) [21:39] i still have a system V box [21:39] mach_kernel: at least with the aforementioned pkgtools, _I'M_ the one who fscks up my system :P [21:39] yeah i had that happen on a number of occasions (i'm gonna kill redhat) [21:39] M1ck3y: There are several Unix systems. [21:39] M1ck3y: Unix is a standard. Mac OSX is Unix, Solaris is as well. [21:40] M1ck3y, Mac OS X is BSD based Unix [21:40] basically the unix standard = system V [21:40] M1ck3y: plan9 [21:40] Action: M1ck3y has more reading to do [21:40] oh right! plan9! [21:40] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:40] jewbacca: thanks for reminding me [21:40] eviljames: produced by bell labs [21:41] I was also considering plan 9 from outer space, the greatest movie of all time [21:41] haha [21:41] Thanks again all! [21:41] plan9, wait, bell, shit, weren't they subsidaries of AT&T at a point [21:41] ? [21:41] mach_kernel: yeah... [21:41] Wasn't everything? [21:41] no [21:42] mach_kernel: at one point, yes [21:42] define everything [21:42] "define everything" this should be interesting... :) [21:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:43] mach_kernel: why? [21:43] when you're refferring to everything that's really broad [21:43] dudes, I was joking. [21:43] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [21:43] lol [21:43] and jewbacca was responding to some other comment [21:43] mach_kernel: is it? or is it specific? [21:43] hahahahahha [21:43] Action: mach_kernel head desk [21:44] jewbacca i'm about to go into a KP :P [21:44] mach_kernel: kp? [21:44] kernel panic [21:44] hahahah I caught it [21:44] mach_kernel: I'm going to steal that from you and claim it as my own [21:44] mach_kernel is the kernel for the mac os x/nextstep/openstep operating systems [21:44] unless you demand trademark & copyright in perpetuity... I live in a country that respects copyright :( [21:45] eviljames, but you don't respect it yourself! [21:45] Action: mach_kernel looks at eviljames' pirated porn and adobe folders [21:45] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) left irc: Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number [21:45] ^ hahaah [21:46] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [21:46] woops. I should stop sharing my /home with *.*.*.* rw and no firewall, eh? [21:46] yeah [21:46] :\ [21:46] one day i should counterfeit money and just say that i'm an open source supporter [21:46] put a little gnu stamp on a dollar [21:47] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [21:47] mach_kernel: equating gnu/linux with software piracy? evidence? [21:49] what no no no [21:49] wasn't a cognitive thing [21:49] i just thought of that as a joke [21:49] Action: mach_kernel does the drums! [21:49] :\\ [21:50] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [21:50] mach_kernel: the mighty tux is offended...you must sacrifice a goat and three virgins [21:50] Action: mach_kernel picks three random folk from this channel and goes to buy a goat [21:51] mach_kernel: i've got 5 kids and don't believe in immaculate conception... [21:51] haha [21:51] random [21:51] there are at least three virgins in this channel [21:51] although chances are low [21:51] i might has well have picked them [21:52] Action: M1ck3y regrets having looked away from this channel [21:52] mwnn (~user@59.92.150.38) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:54] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:57] jewbacca: does in vitro count as sex? [21:57] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:58] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:58] no [21:58] penetration = sex, therefore anything != penetration != sex [21:58] I heard this argument made in Chasing Amy [21:58] eh, turkey basters? [21:58] but... in vitro = sex for the baster, eh? [21:58] ^ +1 [21:59] that baster got some [21:59] *cough* [21:59] I was gonna say "are you sure they're yours", but then I though it's possible jewbacca is the mother... in which case, in vitro would apply to both potential genders [21:59] hahah [22:00] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:00] rarely ##slackware is more random than ##slackware-offtopic ... this is one of those times [22:01] Theres a slackware-offtopic!? [22:01] there's an -offtopic? and nobody told me? [22:01] lol [22:01] haha [22:01] how did you not know? it has been noobfarming for months! [22:01] I've only been around this channel for three days, I'm just pretending I fit in and understand the crazy things you all say :) [22:01] could probably go in the topic.. maybe? :P [22:02] sitwon: ask the wife if such methods were used to impreginate [22:02] haha [22:02] Action: raela uses a turkey baster to squirt mysterious white liquid at jewbacca [22:02] jewbacca: if you have a really tiny dick it's still in vitro =P (just kidding!) [22:02] raela: eggwhites? [22:02] raela: it puts the lotion on its skin else it gets the hose again [22:03] BP{k}: milk.. maybe mixed with eggwhites [22:03] oh, that gives me an idea [22:03] Action: raela squirts lotion at jewbacca [22:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-245-167.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] hey jewbacca, I think raela is flirting with you [22:03] Are we back to fuxbox again? [22:04] Action: jewbacca opens up the firehose on raela, in the pit dug in his basement [22:04] Action: raela rolls around in mud [22:04] ... [22:04] obviously you're unaware the effects of that much water pressure against the body [22:05] Action: M1ck3y is scared [22:05] it makes you clean [22:05] immobilized, but clean [22:05] pretty much. luckily, I'm not in a hole in your basement :P [22:05] sitwon: not always clean, but usually immobilized...sometimes with a layer or two of skin missing [22:06] I'm sure it's the dirty layers are the ones missing though [22:06] bah, who needs that skin thing anyway.. [22:06] pupit (~p@91.150.106.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:06] wroom (~X0Z@proxy.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [22:07] contrary to popular belief, the largest human organ is actualy..... SKIN [22:07] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:07] yes, it's bigger than that _other_ organ [22:08] although many try to claim otherwise [22:09] There is so much sex-talk between the two channels right now. [22:09] M1ck3y: well, this is slackware.. [22:09] lol [22:09] wroom (~X0Z@proxy.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [22:09] I guess that's as good of a reason as any :P [22:09] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:10] Life is sex, Princess. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something. [22:10] (probably viagra from Canada) [22:10] lol [22:10] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: COD2 [22:10] (which is most likely a sugar pill) [22:10] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: no, you can't put that there! [22:11] lol again [22:14] M1ck3y (jon@c-68-40-184-34.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:17] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:20] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [22:21] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. 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[23:21] heya,people [23:22] hi MLanden [23:22] heya,pi31415 [23:23] ola MLanden [23:23] guys i'm gonna do something wild [23:23] Action: mach_kernel recompiles his kernel [23:23] muahaha [23:23] whoo boy [23:23] bonjour,BP{k} [23:24] I was forced to recompile my kernel to work around a BIOS bug [23:24] john_dee (~id@93-81-136-206.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [23:24] back in the day I would do it just to get rid of bloat [23:24] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] pi31415, what bio bug? [23:25] s/bio/BIOS [23:26] MLanden: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10485#c4 [23:26] when i run a stock kernel and close my netbook lid, it starts an interrupt storm and eventually gets hot enough to crash [23:27] pi31415, heard of that....seen cases of it bein' real bad [23:30] pi31415, whcih kernel are you using now? 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