[00:02] [ in bed ] [00:03] heh [00:03] are those your sheets? [00:03] thumbs: No, the bedposts he is tied to. [00:03] ah, better [00:03] kik [00:03] 'lol [00:04] [still naked] [00:04] (that's the same bed) [00:04] nullboy: damn, you're in bed with Dominian ? [00:04] [and still naked] [00:06] Action: KidpunkX creating new package from slackbuild... [00:06] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] lol@nullboy [00:08] sickos [00:10] Dominian: you started it :) [00:10] yah yah [00:10] 10:41 < Dominian> Ya know.. I just realized... you can add "in bed" to everything said in this channel.. kind of like a fortune from a fortune cookie... [00:10] famous last words eh? [00:10] lol [00:10] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [00:11] nullboy: that was a long 30mins after i said that.. I looked away for 5mins and Old_Fogie was going nuts with it [00:11] famous _first_ words? [00:11] alisonken1home: first... last... whatever [00:11] hehe [00:11] hahaha [00:12] with my new custom kernel, should I have made my own rc.modules-version file? [00:12] nullboy: I was tired.. on the phone with ac lient troubleshooting a stupid issue.. and that thought popped in my head.. little did I know the consequences [00:12] heh. signal_add("send text", sub { s/$/ [in bed]/ }); [00:12] thumbs: if you modularized anything, probably a good idea [00:12] Urchlay: somene has already m entioned creating an irssi script for that [00:13] like that scene in half baked, ever looked at the back of a 20 dollar bill.....on weeeeedddd? [00:13] alisonken1home: I used a similar config file, actually based on Pat's [00:13] nullboy: haha [00:13] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [00:13] Ok time to find some more hard drives [00:13] back when I was "on weed" all the time I never had a $20 bill [00:13] I should branch my own, since I'm about to compile more modules by hand [00:13] (mostly cause I'd just spent it on weeeeed) [00:13] lol [00:14] thumbs: look at how rc.S checks which rc.modules file to link, then you have a good idea on where to start [00:14] alisonken1home: thanks [00:14] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:15] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:15] alisonken1home: yeah, it's reading the rc.modules link. [00:15] alisonken1home: I'll branch my own. [00:15] nullboy, hmmmmmmmmmm [00:16] Action: hiptobecubic ruins his cellphone. [00:16] there are actually several spots - one of them checks for a file "rc.modules.$(uname -r)" [00:16] yes, and also -L [00:16] alisonken1home: how did that "office" pc move go? [00:16] alisonken1home: and that specific version comes first, too [00:17] Dominian: if you're thinking of the server move, I was put on standby and never called, so they must have gotten it done without me [00:17] ahhh [00:17] damn [00:17] thumbs: rc.modules.local is first check, then rc.modules.$(uname -r) [00:17] yeah [00:17] but it doesn't check them all [00:17] I think they suggest doing rc.modules.local if you change the kernel config.. add your own modules there [00:17] it only uses the first one it finds [00:17] aye [00:18] but it looks like I'll be doing a network cabling/setup job this weekend [00:18] nice [00:18] Dominian: I think, for my sanity, I'll tack the kernel version on it [00:18] cat6? [00:18] thumbs: hehe [00:18] at least I'm back at the office this week trying to get openwrt to work with the boards he has [00:18] doh [00:18] Dominian: no - probably cat 5 with a fiber link between the main offices [00:19] cat5e [00:19] alisonken1home: I'm going to have to rethink that pagination though.. I think I'm about to drop that idea we were working on [00:19] nice [00:19] cat5e will still do gig ;) [00:19] sucituanbo (n=full@c-24-21-121-148.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Dominian: I think I've got the setup reasonably based now, just have to finish the index.php entries in it [00:20] one day i'll remember all the steps needed to compile a kernel.. i'm sure of it [00:20] Dominian: unfortunately, it's a windows shop that's never had a network yet - and he want's me to setup the domain controller entries as well [00:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:20] that's awesome [00:20] those are the best [00:20] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:20] alisonken1home: oh god [00:21] yp is best - windows domains suck [00:21] you get to sit down and get your click on [00:21] nullboy: doh! [00:21] alisonken1home: what server version of windows? [00:21] sherique (n=e@adsl-66-142-89-38.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:21] please don't say SBS [00:21] nullboy: you forgot the [in bed] with that one [00:21] ferdl (n=phiezer@p549922A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [00:21] lol [00:21] Dominian: won't know until I ge tthere this weekend [00:21] argh [00:21] if its SBS.. [00:21] sbs is the devil [00:21] They will have issues in the future.. can't have but one domain controller when you use SBS [00:22] not to mention the licensing for SBS is expensive hehe [00:22] probably not SBS since they've never had a network setup before [00:22] hopefully not [00:22] just use w2k3 [00:22] my guess is.. if its a new server.. its server 2008 [00:22] R2 has always been good for me [00:22] at the most I expect mostly xp machines with possibly a vista or two [00:23] nullboy: win2k3 r2 is nice [00:23] alisonken1home: well if I happen to be around and ya need help .. give me a shout [00:23] Dominian: I'm taking my laptop with me, so I just may take you up on that :) [00:23] hehe [00:23] Hopefully I'll be here of fand on.. so don't "count" on me being here.. [00:24] we'll see how the weekend shapes up [00:24] it'll be around 8am PST, so guess from there [00:25] haha [00:25] probably sitting with my daughter coloring [00:29] "copy the slackware directory (the one with the various package subdirectories in it, basically the "slackware" directory from the install CD) to someplace like /root/slackware/." ...I'm guessing that means all the packages from all three CDs to something like /root/slackware? [00:30] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [00:30] MiconFrink (n=mfrink@59.93.120.255) joined ##slackware. [00:30] if you're trying to do a disk mounted directory install, that would do it - disks 1-2 for basic, disk 3 for kde/kdei [00:30] anyone got experience with cross compiles? [00:30] thanks [00:31] micon: some [00:31] MiconFrink: I've been doing cross compiles with openwrt [00:31] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:31] mostly cc65, cross-compiling for the atari 800, probably not what you were asking about :) [00:31] I need to start a project that does fully automated cross compiles with a glibc toolchain [00:32] look at buildroot for a start [00:32] a cross compile is a a cross compile - different arches / patches and options but gneral proceedure is the same - build on one system deploy on another... [00:32] it mainly covers the kernel, but there are ways to add stuff to it. or use openwrt buildroot as a starting point since it does multiple packages [00:33] alisonken1home: Problem, buildroot is uclibc [00:33] my webcam just flashed at me! [00:33] MiconFrink: buildroot has an option for other toolchains as well - just make a few adjustments to the libs that are used [00:33] its horny [00:33] (insert dirty jokes) [00:34] MiconFrink: at least it gives you a base to start from - rather than trying to start from scratch [00:34] alisonken1home: yes but the generation of that "other toolchain" needs to be automatic... [00:34] alisonken1home: if it worked... I've had nothing but trouble with all the majors [00:34] it is - and buildroot does have an option for using glibc as well as uclibc [00:34] buildroot, crosstool, t2, ptxdist, oe [00:35] alisonken1home: show me... [00:35] crosstool I've had mixed results with [00:35] well really I was trying crosstool-ng [00:36] once it blew up, and once it worked flawlessly (built a win32-i386 cross compiler/tools) [00:36] crosstool-ng I've never even heard of :) [00:37] Urchlay: ng is a more recent crosstool fork - haven't seen anything recent from crosstool [00:37] ah, ok. Most recent use of crosstool for me was 2-3 years ago, and I think it was outdated then anyway [00:37] honestly buildroot does seem to be the most logically layed out but I'm having a whale of a time getting it to work the way I want... [00:38] crosstool-ng has recent activity as of last month - by comparison [00:38] alisonken1home: will it harm anything if, in copying cd2 into my newly-created /root/slackware, that the FILE_LIST and checksum files are overwritten? I'm copying /slackware/ from both cd1 and cd2 to /root/slackware [00:38] so I might actually be able to use the same gcc version as I use for native compiles? definitely need to look at that then, when/if I get around to updating some of this old code [00:39] judging from the UPGRADE.txt, it appears it won't because I'll be pointing specifically at the dir [00:39] dunno why I bother, they're all CLI-only utilities, and no windows user who ever looked at them has *ever* figured out how to run them [00:40] hehe - CLI is da bomb! [00:40] MiconFrink: where you see the options fobriareus: I typically do "tar -C /mnt/cdrom -cf - ./slackware | tar -C / -xvf -" to put the different slackware releases in their own directory. I've even installed from nfs mounting that direcory as well. FILE_LIST and checkusm files are all the same on all of the cd's [00:40] ok [00:40] MiconFrink: sorry - that was for briareus [00:40] (little tools for messing with emulator file formats, mostly. Stuff that'd be useful on windows too, if only supporting windows didn't mean I had to design a UI and do usability studies & crap) [00:41] I get you on both points, how you normally mount, and that my method won't hurt me here, alisonken1home [00:41] at least this time [00:41] yes I kinda realized that about halfway through... [00:41] MiconFrink: once you learn how buildroot sets up, it'snot that hard to change uclibc to glibc [00:41] alisonken1home: that's what I'm thinking [00:42] i can't find these options in menuconfig [00:42] USB_SERIAL_MOTOROLA [00:42] as I've got many arches to build for I wanted to get a robust tool [00:42] i find it when i search for motorola, but i can't find it int he menu so i can change it [00:42] how come "make menuconfig" hasn't got a search option, anyway? [00:42] success!! [00:42] hiptobecubic: oh that is from 2.6.28 [00:42] MiconFrink: if you want a good idea on how to setup for multiple targets as well as the other programs and get them into an image, look at how openwrt buildroot abuses the basic buildroot :) [00:42] ferdl (n=phiezer@p549922A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware ("ich GEMA"). [00:42] Urchlay: umm it does [00:42] hit / [00:42] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:43] nullboy, i'm configing that version [00:43] it's in there then [00:43] but I can't even get a uclibc stock config to compile - buildroot hates me [00:43] nullboy: that can search the entire config space for a directive like CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MOTOROLA, like he's trying to do? [00:43] briareus: got it [00:43] nullboy: do tell... [00:43] Urchlay: yes [00:43] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:43] thumbs: got what [00:43] briareus: the webcam to work [00:43] hm. How long has *that* been there? [00:43] long time [00:43] thumbs: really, do tell [00:43] briareus: I compiled v4l*, modprobed [00:43] briareus: then configured kopete. [00:43] oh hit / missed that... [00:44] that's cool [00:44] so you didn't use the slackware tgz or build? [00:44] briareus: no. [00:44] briareus: I can't use a slack package - it's kernel modules - they need to be compiled [00:44] thumbs: because I have the modules loaded, and the system loads them when it detects the cam (and according to the what I find on the net it configs the correct) [00:45] briareus: are you using v4l? [00:45] be damned. Been a few years since I compiled kernels for fun (or even for money), wonder if I should be slapping myself in the forehead right about now [00:45] yeah you're probably due a few lashings [00:45] I tried that way too with the older kernel as you describe, so then I tried the newer kernel with them in the kernel and modprobe them, same results [00:46] did the / think exist in the 2.4 series? [00:46] but the / search only searches for CONFIG_ so if you're using it with something like buildroot with the prefix BR2_ or crosstool with the prefix CT_ you're out of luck [00:46] briareus: so your card is supported by v4l. Good. [00:46] MiconFrink: i wasn't event alking to you [00:46] or in 2.2? [00:46] i was talking to someone else about kernel make menuconfig [00:46] briareus: I can't vouch for the newer kernel, I got the latest source from mercurial [00:46] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "beer is empty and my belly is full. nap time" [00:46] nullboy: I know I joined in a public chat [00:46] briareus: hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb [00:47] noting the limitations of the menuconfig [00:47] alisonken1home: have you used buildroot recently? [00:47] briareus: then modprobe uvcvideo and v4l2-common [00:47] briareus: and then magic! [00:48] thumbs: yours was the integrated cam correct? [00:48] briareus: yes, it's a dell. [00:48] i've used this buildroot many times https://dev.openwrt.org/log/trunk/?mode=follow_copy [00:49] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@adsl-235-197-111.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] MiconFrink: I've used the openwrt version of buildroot for the last couple of months [00:50] okay so how does openwrt buildroot differ from the one at uclibc? [00:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.92) left irc: "leaving" [00:51] it's on meth and has rabbies [00:51] opewnrt made changes where the kernel is just another package rather than the main menu entry, plus they breakout some of the modules into separate packages so you have the option of keeping some modules separate from the base kernel install - and adding extra programs to compile outside of the basic openwrt buildroot are part of feeds rather than base packages [00:52] rabies* [00:52] briareus: so what's missing for you? [00:52] rabbis* [00:52] rabbis is more amusing [00:52] fail. [00:52] once you figure out how the openwrt buildroot works, it's a lot easier to add extra software as separate packages, but still be able add them. the only thing they do is use a debian-based package manager [00:53] thumbs: no idea, I'm building that one you pointed me to right now [00:53] briareus: yeah, good luck [00:53] briareus: and only probe the modules I gave you too [00:53] alisonken1home: I see [00:53] thumbs: my cams come up and are detected correctly, but the apps fail or show noise [00:53] briareus: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_build_from_Mercurial [00:53] dios_mio (i=test2@88.241.129.88) joined ##slackware. [00:54] MiconFrink (n=mfrink@59.93.120.255) left irc: "Leaving." [00:54] briareus: you probably don't need that, but it might help [00:54] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] MiconFrink1 (n=mfrink@59.93.120.255) joined ##slackware. [00:54] akio (n=akio@ip98-166-142-242.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] more info is always better with a problem like this :) [00:54] the other point was they made it easy to specify a specific kernel version for each target - ex: if you have a broadcomm based board, the base system uses kernel 2.4 due to 2.6 issues with some of the broadcomm based cpu chips, whereas the x86 board uses the 2.6 kernel image. [00:54] mmmmm distcc [00:55] i have an s-video out jack on my laptop.. how do i output video out to the tv? [00:55] I am most definitely in the wrong place for this but I figured a die-hard Slackware user would know the answer. [00:55] to be honest. i just like the idea that i have distributed computing set up. It wouldn't bother me to sit an extra two minutes for this to compile [00:55] I'm trying to create a generic TinyCoreLinux that can cross compile for other arches [00:56] akio: what're you on about? [00:56] steerpike, what graphics driver? [00:56] hiptobecubic: intel [00:56] How would I use fbset or fb.modes to set a non-standard video mode for a framebuffer geometry of 1024x600 [00:56] MiconFrink1: well, I have an x86_64 box doing openwrt builds for a mips-based processor and an x86-based processor boards [00:56] alisonken1home: sounds interesting [00:56] steerpike: been hacking on this one for a while [00:57] also how do you do processor specifics? [00:57] steerpike, i believe in xorg.conf you tell it which devices are connected. you can specify crt (vga) dvi, or tv [00:57] such as? [00:57] akio, 1024x600 ... got one of those netbooks :) [00:57] hiptobecubic: cool, thanks.. so intel supports it? :) [00:58] er sorry that was completely NOT what I meant to say - IRL conversation at the same time as typing is never a good idea ;-) [00:58] MSI Wind U100, runs like a champ but the framebuffer console drivers/tools aren't made for this [00:58] thumbs: still black in kopete (though detected correctly) and still noise in palantir (also detected correctly) I have this exact same symptom for two different logitech cameras [00:58] steerpike, i don't realllly know for sure. you'll have to fiddle with it [00:58] It has a 945GME chipset [00:58] alisonken1home: how do you do patched kernels in buildroot [00:58] k thanks :) [00:59] same as mine, i think [00:59] there is a difference between the gm and the gme i think, not sure [01:00] thumbs: I'm going to install slackware 12.2 so I can benefit from the newer packages that things like cheese and such require that in 12.1 take a lot of doing [01:00] i dunno, where to start, i'm sure someone would know here.. they're just not here now ^_^ [01:00] all right' [01:00] briareus: this is 12.1 [01:00] I have no idea [01:01] briareus: no, I mean I am running 12.1 [01:01] each kernel version has a separate patches directory where the patches for that version of the kernel are saved - once the target board (ex. Target->x86 Subtarget->Generic) is selected, the target config specifies which kernel to build, with that kernel is defined a "kernel-2.6.x.x/patches" directory where the patches to the base kernel source are applied after untarring [01:01] briareus: mercurial 1.0. Everything's fine. [01:01] I knew what you meant, and I wish I could say the same [01:01] i've been trying to get a webcam going here for nearly a week [01:01] briareus: still no go? [01:02] closest I get is blackness in kopete and scrolling noise in other apps [01:02] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] briareus: waht about the custom modules you just compiled? [01:02] but the correct device is detected all the time, so I have no clue. One of these cameras worked in my last distro, and I'm new to slackware so I'm futzing around [01:03] MiconFrink1: I also have the openwrt buildroot specify a shared source d/l directory so the sources are only d/l once. Currently, I have 4 separate openwrt buildroot directories, but they all share the same source d/l directory [01:03] thumbs: I just made and installed from that link you provided [01:03] briareus: could be an issue with your particular kernel revision [01:03] when I plug in the webcam it pulls the correct driver up [01:03] briareus: oh, it's not built-in? [01:04] alisonken1home: that soinds like exactly what i want to do... [01:04] thumbs: did this with two different kernels, same symptom. I'm ready to give up [01:04] thumbs: nope [01:04] usb webcams [01:04] briareus: are you part of the video group? [01:04] I use a diff driver than you [01:04] yes [01:04] is there a step by step guide for that or...? [01:05] alisonken1home: you kinda reminded me that I have WAY too many modules loaded for nothing [01:05] briareus: Appleseed? [01:05] MiconFrink1: basically, svn from openwrt, then run make menuconfig to get a first-time config, then make. once the make is run (to get the host toolchain built), you can go in and make clean, then specify a build for a target machine [01:05] i.e. I'm gonna trim my rc.modules a little [01:05] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] appleseed and the original mythos, yeah. first read appleseed in the comic store in 1986 [01:06] okay that makes sense [01:06] thumbs: yea - that file is only really needed for modules that aren't autodetected, or needed by the rest of the scripts [01:06] looking at openwrt right now but cant find any list of minimum libs that are built [01:07] briareus: you have some years on me, I was born in 86' did you see my question above? [01:08] MiconFrink1: my current setup defines /home/openwrt/dl as the sources directory, then dir1 is the currently working build for x86 (earlier build due to bridge issues), a trunk that I use for testing new builds, and a specific revision directory for each target. that way if the target needs a specific upgrade, I don't have to worry about the other options that I don't need for that target [01:08] akio: how far above? above the appleseed question? [01:09] MiconFrink1: each package (program) defines in the makefile other dependencies, so the library needed is autoselected based on the package requirements [01:09] m__ (n=m@209.90.93.98) joined ##slackware. [01:09] Nick change: m__ -> n0xus [01:09] I figured the slackware users had a lot of experience so I came here to ask how to use a non-standard framebuffer video mode. [01:09] manually selecting libraries is only if you might have a future need for that library [01:10] hey everyone [01:10] since I'm trying to make a Duplicate of TinyCoreLinux these things are important... [01:11] basically I'm just wanting to build the basic linux-glibc-busybox system [01:11] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] can I add my own packages like for compiling Xvesa? [01:12] yes - there's a page on how to roll-your-own package and include it in the build process [01:12] not a step-by-step guide, but it gives you the basics :) [01:12] alisonken1home: cheers for the hints earlier [01:12] thumbs: np [01:13] chasmo (n=chas@69.4.149.188) left irc: "Leaving" [01:13] MiconFrink1: in fact, I'll be trying my hand at making my own package similary to x-wrt web interface to openwrt [01:14] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] alisonken1home: cool - I'd like to follow how that goes... [01:14] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] MiconFrink1: for that, look at the feeds setup, create your own repository, then update the feeds setup to add your repository for that package/setup [01:16] alisonken1home: not following you [01:17] basically, the/package directory is for openwrt base stuff. the /feeds directory is for extra packages (like x-wrt web i/f) and extra software packages for openwrt [01:17] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:17] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [01:17] there's a scripts/feeds program that will update the sources in feeds, as well as add/remove extra packages from the menu system [01:17] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.116) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.116) joined ##slackware. [01:19] currently, openwrt has some pretty advanced software packages available - like asterisk, to make a self-contained phone pbx for an office [01:19] akio (n=akio@ip98-166-142-242.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:19] doesnt asterisk require 3rd party interfaces tho [01:20] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:20] not always - there are some drivers available for some cards that are part of the base kernel [01:20] \nice [01:21] including sip processing, which is the phone setup/tear down protocol for a phone call [01:21] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:21] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] with that setup, once you get your sip setup, you can create your own pc-based phone bank for your office or call center [01:22] wicked [01:23] so ok, why i am doing it don't know, want to play with it, but, i installed apache, however I can only run it as root, presumably that is wrong, right? [01:24] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] c0nflict: typically, you run apache from /etc/rc.d/rc.apache (or rc.httpd, whichever it is now) - and the package should already have created a user/group entry for the apache stuff [01:24] but yes - apache requires start as root in order to do some initializatoin stuff before becoming active [01:25] you can setup to run apache as a user, but you have to change the default port to something above 1024 (typically 8000) in order to get a socket open [01:26] plus a few other setup changes [01:26] which, you would want to do right, i mean, it is not standard to leave it run as root [01:27] c0nflict: basically, any program that needs to open a port that's less than 1024 (like port 80 for http traffice) requires root access in order to open the port [01:27] bleh, I'm bored... [01:27] oh [01:27] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:27] what can I do to have fun with slackware now... [01:27] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. [01:28] dammit [01:28] another 5 hours, another zero for progress [01:28] c0nflict: normally the rc script does root initialization, then changes user to apache (for example) to run the rest of the stuff [01:28] dissocia1ive: creative ways to bork it, maybe? [01:29] Nick change: override -> override1 [01:30] Is there a slack package for apache? Didn't find one on SBo [01:30] went to homepage for it [01:30] alisonken1home: do you know if it would be possible to do a non-FHS system - specifying different libs dirs for example... [01:30] c0nflict: there is, and it comes on the slackware CD/DVD [01:30] c0nflict: already part of base slackware - it's on the cd under n/ [01:30] c0nflict: SBo doesn't make packages of stuff that's already in slackware... [01:30] ewww that would be why it wasnt on sbo [01:31] ;) [01:31] MiconFrink1: that would be part of the makefile install routines - but yes you could have it do non-FHS compliant directory structure with some work [01:32] I've got a bid on a project that wants the Gobo style so... yeah... ugh. [01:33] c0nflict: if you _really_ want to compile, look in the sources cd and get the apache source/slackbuild [01:33] actually, hm, all the rc.httpd script does is call apachectl with appropriate parameters [01:33] so, in contrast, the coworker installed ubuntu, and was all proud to get the webcam working [01:33] Urchlay: yep - that's what it's supposed to do [01:34] "Look, everything works and I did nothing!" [01:34] (I used to have rc.httpd as a symlink to /usr/sbin/apachectl, but I dunno whether I did that or some old version of Slack was set up that way) [01:34] already installed from the apache site source DL, seems to be working fine, just didn't know about the whole, apache running its own child processes as non-root thing and figured i'd ask ;) [01:34] Urchlay: I made my own rc.httpd in the start|stop|restart|graceful fashion [01:34] Urchlay: you had to do that - the rc.httpd script always does an executable file check before trying to call a program [01:35] c0nflict: that's part of the apache config setup [01:35] alisonken1home: if I did that, it would have been because there was no rc.httpd script to begin with :) that would have been around slackware 7 or 8 or so... [01:35] Urchlay: remember that apachectl takes start, stop, restart and graceful [01:35] yeah [01:35] I remember it, so much so that it never occurs to me to use the rc script these days [01:36] Urchlay: I usually followed the slackware style of creating a script that checks for binary and executable file before running [01:36] heh, and another guy used to whinge about not being able to "service apache restart" so I wrote him an alias or something [01:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:36] and I've been playing since before the 3.x series [01:36] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:36] alisonken1home: well just because I did it that way once, doesn't make it a good idea, I admit that :) [01:36] :) [01:37] I wonder if my custom apachectl replacement ever got exploited... it was meant to allow non-root users to restart apache (and nothing else), ran setuid root [01:38] for a client who really, really, really wouldn't listen to me telling them that was a Bad Idea(tm) [01:38] Urchlay: setuid root can be a security hole - depends on the progra [01:38] m [01:38] oh yeah [01:38] I couldn't explain it to them, or else the guy wouldn't listen [01:39] "How would you like your server to behave like your windows box - including the script kiddies logging into it?" [01:39] he had this anti-sudo prejudice, he'd actually rather have me (not a real security expert) write custom un-audited code [01:40] If things go sideways the client will blame you anyway [01:40] baradude (n=baradude@58.137.93.218) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:40] eelriver: I know it [01:40] you kinda ask for that kind of crap getting into this field anyway :P [01:40] where else could wireless card configuration be, if not /etc/rc.d/inet1.conf [01:40] Had a boss like that, he hosed OS X for fu**s sake [01:41] n0xus: /etc/wlan maybe? [01:41] n0xus: use wicd instead [01:41] nm, /etc/wlan doesn't exist on a stock Slack install [01:42] there is no need to use those scripts, unless you have one network that you connect to [01:42] wicd can deal with new networks in a much more elegant fashion [01:42] like a wireless desktop [01:42] n0xus: what are you trying to configure? [01:42] the fun part about this job was that his overseas (romanian I think) consultants had rooted his box (via suidperl exploit, circa redhat 5.2) [01:43] and he didn't *fire them* [01:43] alisonken1home: fair point [01:43] alisonken1home: I am partial to wicd since I discovered it [01:43] instead he wanted me to rebuild & secure his server (remotely, without upgrading the distro either), so those romanians could still have enough access to do their job [01:45] If you rebuilt it, why couldn't you upgrade? [01:45] let's put a band-aid on that 30 cm wounds [01:45] his colo was complaining about all the bandwidth usage... the romanians were serving up warez/etc, along with the site the box was supposed to be serving... [01:45] maybe it'll cover it ! [01:45] I'll be trying out wicd soon - now that I don't need my laptop to compile work stuff :) [01:45] Urchlay: u know it is crapy job like u did? [01:45] eelriver: rebuild as in reinstall packages, he meant... I didn't get to physically touch the boxes, they were in california (I'm in atlanta) [01:45] alisonken1home: you'll be VERY pleased [01:46] pupit: it was a horrible job [01:46] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:46] im sure.. [01:46] Urchlay: which part of Ca? [01:46] alisonken1home: how should I remember, this was ehmm... 6-7 years ago now :) [01:46] Time to get a new hosting company [01:46] i'm just trying to get wireless working in 12.1 - i'm running bt right now, and i want to copy the config file to my slack install [01:46] thumbs: well, getting ready to upgrade to 12.2, so thought I would give it a try [01:46] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] dngr (n=dngr@n219078039133.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] well [01:47] grrr kills me [01:47] eelriver: for a second, I though you said _hosing_ company [01:47] i'm on 2.6.28... and my graphics driver says it can't find the sources/headers [01:47] Kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@92.48.23.144) joined ##slackware. [01:47] eelriver: the guy really needed what he probably ended up getting: to lose all his venture capital funding, dry up, and blow away in the wind... [01:47] Urchlay: ;) know the feeling [01:47] I can follow howtos for compiling software from source and in my slackware system it fails. Lovely. [01:47] although according nvidia-installer.log it's looking in the right place. any ideas? [01:48] find the option for the 2.6.28 headers to include [01:48] briareus, :) [01:48] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [01:48] briareus: it failed? [01:49] ok - time to head to the shower and bed [01:49] alisonken1home: i'm not sure i understood you [01:49] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:49] make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.28' CC [M] /home/briareus/SLACKWARES/gspcav1-20071224/gspca_core.o /home/briareus/SLACKWARES/gspcav1-20071224/gspca_core.c:54:27: error: asm/semaphore.h: no such file or directory [01:49] briareus, ahaha [01:49] hehe that's funny in a sad sort of ironic sort of way [01:50] briareus: that probably means the code you're trying to compile, hasn't been updated to work with newer kernels [01:50] gspca again :( [01:50] briareus: you didn't screw around with the kernel headers, did you? [01:50] thumbs: no [01:50] briareus: as in change the symlink to the headers in your new kernel? [01:50] I'm just frustrated with trying 100 angles that work for peopel and it doesn't work here. [01:50] Urchlay, this code (gspca) is merged in kernel [01:50] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:50] thumbs: no [01:50] 'cause semaphore.h isn't in the asm/ include dir, in 2.6.27.7 anyway [01:51] nullboy: you're in 2.26.8 right? Are you using nvidia's drivers? [01:51] mohaa: irrelevant, apparently, since the webcams are detected and the correct modules loaded but still no functionality [01:51] Urchlay: yeah, so I notice [01:51] briareus, i said they were merged _not_ they work ;) [01:51] Is it one of those cams that need firmware loaded too? [01:52] briareus: huh? the filenames make it look like the code's from december 2007, and 2.6.28 is a lot newer than that [01:52] eelriver: one of the more common logitech quickcams, as well as a logitech labtec cam. both have identical symptoms here [01:52] (apologies if you're been over all this already, I'm only sporadically paying attention...) [01:52] Urchlay, there should be a patch to fix that header stuff [01:52] Urchlay: yeah, well I'm trying all kinds of things at this point, since none of the first 100 attempts worked [01:52] hiptobecubic: if you have headers or source in /usr/src ; sometimes symlinking /usr/src/kernel-2.6.28-foo /usr/src/linux lets nvidia find the reqd stuff [01:53] Does t create the device? [01:53] hiptobecubic: you can specify multiple include directories from the configure command or in a shell variable - if it can't find the file in one include directory, it should be able to look in the other include directories as well [01:53] eelriver: that to me? [01:53] Yes [01:53] eelriver: yes I have a /dev/video0 created [01:53] Rat409: i think that link is already there... hold on [01:54] and asm/ should be a link to the current asm- [01:54] n0xus (n=m@209.90.93.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:54] alisonken1home: that to me? [01:54] briareus, if you want to use external gspca module (third party) you have to stick with kernel prior to 2.6.27 [01:54] briareus: actually, toh iptobecubic but you can use the info too :) [01:55] i do and it works [01:55] so the 2.6.28 integrated is fail but if I revert I can run the older stuff. ok [01:55] that's it [01:55] joy [01:55] :D [01:56] that's linux magic [01:56] I still have a 2.6.26.5 on this machine [01:56] let's revert several kernels for webcam yay [01:56] :) [01:56] $ uname -r [01:56] 2.6.26.5-3MOHA [01:56] alisonken1home: i'm afraid you'll have to clarify that a bit. I don't understand what other include directories i'd even be use. I'm looking at my nvidia log and it says that it was looking in /lib/modules/2.6.28-smp ... which i just checked exists contains both build/ and src/ which are symlinks to /usr/src/linux-2.6.28 which also seems correct. [01:58] gspcav1-20071224_2.6.26.5_3MOHA-i486-1MOHA briareus [01:58] :) and it works [02:00] hiptobecubic: is the error in building or installing the module? [02:00] building [02:00] alisonken1home: ^ [02:00] i can probably pastebin the log. shall i try? [02:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:02] hiptobecubic: do you have /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include/asm link to your current arch - like asm-x86? [02:02] Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/VxSPPP63.html [02:02] alisonken1home: checking... [02:04] alisonken1home: yeah it's linked to x86 [02:04] what does your nvidia-installer-log show? [02:04] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-67-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] alisonken1home: i pasted it. [02:04] Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/VxSPPP63.html [02:05] that should be it [02:06] ok - are you running a 2.6.28-smp kernel right now? [02:06] (or - when you ran the nvidia installer?) [02:06] alisonken1home: i'm running it right now [02:06] and when i run the installer i get that log [02:07] and so i'm relegated to irssi and finch :D [02:07] ok - the only other thing I can think of is that there were some issues with the 2.6.28 kernel - not sure if nvidia was one of them, though [02:07] alisonken1home: haha. So the only other obvious answer.. is that it doesn't work. [02:08] try running a stock kernel and see if the nvidia installer works with that [02:08] rad. guess i'll boot back into 2.6.27.9 or whatever i was on last [02:08] if it does, I would suspect that the nvidia driver does not have the changes needed for the new kernel [02:08] i'm sure the installer works with the 2.6.27 series [02:08] i've been using it for months [02:08] with nvidia? [02:08] i guess i'll have to wait for an update [02:08] yes [02:09] using the nvidia driver install or the stock nvidia driver? [02:09] seems kind of terrible of them to not keep up. i wonder what's holding it up [02:09] i guess i'll just reboot [02:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [02:09] changes to some kernel api's would be my guess - and they don't want to open up their driver to let the kernel devs keep it up to date [02:09] Portmapper (i=Kerio200@92.48.61.110) joined ##slackware. [02:09] i'll ba back shortly [02:09] I [02:09] alisonken1home: yeah i know. it's miserable [02:10] 'll be in bed [02:10] i think ati is opening theirs soon [02:10] so catch you later [02:10] ok, well thanks. [02:10] night [02:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [02:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Kerio2005 (i=Kerio200@62.120.139.236) joined ##slackware. [02:16] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("goodnight"). [02:17] all that text that flies by while it's booting, where does taht get logged? [02:17] Kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@92.48.23.144) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:20] use the command "dmesg", pipe it to less ... [02:21] that isn't everything though [02:21] Portmapper (i=Kerio200@92.48.61.110) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:22] yeah, its the "kernel ring buffer", so its limited in size and rolls over itself, but before anything is mounted, there's nowhere else to put it, so that's what the ring buffer is for [02:22] oh [02:22] i just saw some message fly by about loading rc.modules. and wanted to investigate [02:23] ah - if its not in dmesg, check /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog [02:23] yeah it wasn't in either of them. Maybe i was seeing things o_O [02:24] ... if you know you're looking for something at boot time, capturing the dmesg to a file right after boot can be helpful - prevents losing that info when the ring buffer eventually wraps [02:24] hiptobecubic: it was the output of the rc script - those messages don't normally get logged, so you have to do some extra steps to catch them [02:24] alisonken1 to the rescue again! [02:24] panda (n=gabriele@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:25] well for some reason .... rc.modules is a symlink to some old rc.modules- [02:25] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2008-10-20 12:49 /etc/rc.d/rc.modules -> rc.modules-2.6.27.1-smp [02:25] oh wait. that's the right one [02:26] hiptobecubic: you can alwasy add a check in rc.S to change the symlink before it's called - that's what I normally do (as well as check symlinks in /boot/Sytem.map and /boot/config) [02:26] now i'm confused though... when i tried to boot 2.6.28.. did it try to run that rc.modules script? how does it know? i didn't make that symlink i dno't hink [02:27] antipivo (n=max@193.110.22.205) joined ##slackware. [02:27] simplesso (n=simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: "." [02:27] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] MiconFrink1 (n=mfrink@59.93.120.255) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] antipivo (n=max@193.110.22.205) left ##slackware. [02:29] hiptobecubic: /etc/rc.d/rc.S around line 255 - it checks [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-$(uname -r) ] && ... - the symlink I don't know about [02:29] MiconFrink (n=mfrink@59.93.115.34) joined ##slackware. [02:29] alisonken1, is it really necessary to put that in there? why hasn't this been an issue up to now? [02:30] if you notice, though, the last check is for rc.modules - check the rc.modules file and see which modules it's trying to load manually [02:31] hiptobecubic: other than the modules will load anyway if it exists, otherwise modprobe will throw a "module not found" or "module already loaded" error. not much of an issue with it unless it's loading extra modules you don't need, then it's just taking up space [02:31] oh it just manually calls rc.modules-$uname -r) [02:32] if that file exists, yes. otherwise it checks for rc.modules - which you show is a symlink to a specific kernel version rc.modules anyway [02:33] on an unrelated note. My webcam suddenly works in flash [02:34] well there is an rc.modules for every kernel i've had... except 2.6.28, which is what's giving me trouble [02:35] override1 (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [02:36] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:37] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:37] i'll explore this further tomorrow when everyone is back up [02:37] alisonken1, thanks for your help. [02:41] evanton (i=nobody@gateway/tor/x-5bc56dc69a71a1d3) joined ##slackware. [02:43] hiptobecubic: np [02:46] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] hello all [02:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:50] nullboy, you're in 2.6.28 right? [02:51] yeah [02:51] do you use nvidia? [02:51] yeah [02:51] hm. i can't get it to install here [02:51] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [02:51] i was thinking it might be a .28 issue but apparently not [02:51] NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.17-pkg1.run [02:51] SiegeX (n=SiegeX@c-71-198-5-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:51] what version? [02:51] maybe mine's older [02:51] you need a patch for the regular version or that beta [02:51] ahhh great. [02:52] and the beta works? [02:52] that 180.17 is the latest beta i think [02:52] doesn't removepkg remove the /etc/rc.d/rc.XXX init script by default? [02:52] that's what i'm using [02:52] MiconFrink (n=mfrink@59.93.115.34) left ##slackware. [02:53] oh good i'll try it again then [02:53] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [02:53] SiegeX: only if you removepkg the package that the /etc/rc.rc.XXX script is in [02:53] right, thats what I mean [02:54] doesnt seem to be doing that for my package, wondering what I'm missing [02:54] brb reboot [02:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:55] SiegeX: did you create /etc/rc.d/rc.XXX.new as suggested? if so, then removepkg will try to remove the /etc/rc.d/rc.XXX.new file, but not the /etc/rc.d/rc.XXX file since it wasn't in the original package [02:55] unless your /install/doinst.sh script has been modified to add /etc/rc.d/rc.XXX in the /var/log/package file [02:56] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [02:56] I do create the rc.XXX.new but doinst.sh moves it over and strips the .new if it rc.XXX doesn't exist [02:57] so perhaps removepkg only removes the .new [02:57] ahh, i see what its doing, right [02:57] the manifest says to remove .new [02:57] evanton (i=nobody@gateway/tor/x-5bc56dc69a71a1d3) left irc: "leaving" [02:57] ok, all is working fine then [02:58] muxer_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:59] kukukk (n=kukukk@193.231.33.1) joined ##slackware. [02:59] gabriele_ (n=gabriele@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] woohoo [02:59] nullboy, thanks. seems to be working [02:59] panda (n=gabriele@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:59] Nick change: gabriele_ -> panda [02:59] cool [03:00] nullboy, just one more. do you have an /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-2.6.28 script? [03:00] i just have my own [03:00] rc.modules.local [03:00] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [03:00] well i never make them, but every kernel i've built so far has one in /etc/rc.d/ except for this new one. [03:01] which means it must have loaded the previous one 2.6.27.1 because that's what rc.modules is symlinked to [03:02] hiptobecubic: i've seen patches for some nvidia drivers vs certain kernel versions and info at nvidia.com/forum,think the 177 is borked on the .28 and beta,the 180 is good not positive tho [03:02] Rockgarden (n=syl@hecate.therockgarden.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:02] nullboy, so did you cp the default to rc.modules.local and then work from there [03:02] nope [03:02] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [03:02] Rat409, yeah that is the case. I found the 180 and it's wokring now, thanks :) [03:02] i only have 2 lines in my rc.modules.local [03:03] haha oh [03:03] so which two do you load? [03:03] or do you load modules manually often? [03:04] well these two are cpu stepping and uinput is needed for my fingerprint reader [03:04] hiptobecubic, if you have the stock rc.modules files onboards from the stock kernels, slack will still boot without a custom one for your new kernel, read the scripts [03:04] /sbin/modprobe uinput /sbin/modprobe acpi-cpufreq [03:05] hiptobecubic, I should add most likely it'll be fine , ymmv (but I've yet to see it not work) [03:05] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [03:06] i'm confused. there are a lot of modules that load by default, that are commented out of my rc.modules* files [03:07] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:07] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:07] I do want them, for example battery and ac, but i don't see why they load automagically if they aren't in rc.modules? [03:07] The udevil made me load them. [03:07] hiptobecubic, the /etc/rc.d/rc.modules file .. see the value it declares "RELEASE" and it means "uname -r" that's the running kernel version.. [03:08] Old_Fogie, yeah i'm looking now [03:08] the $RELEASE is used throughout the script to get the kern version running, e.g. even a version you didnt make a custom for [03:09] SiegeX (n=SiegeX@c-71-198-5-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [03:10] Old_Fogie, i'm still more comfortable make an .local file that i iknow will be loaded everytime [03:10] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@c-71-198-5-215.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] unrelated note... does windows have any sip clients to speak of? [03:11] anyone have thoughts on rt vs. zen kernels? [03:11] hiptobecubic: several, last I heard [03:11] hiptobecubic, your pc :) [03:12] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:12] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [03:12] supergear (i=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] hiptobecubic, you could always cp /etc/rc.d/rc.modules /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-version-of-new-kernel and just add /sbin/modprobe XXYY ; again as that script indicates [03:13] anyone who uses transmission bt client here? [03:14] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:14] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:17] SIP client, meaning softphone? I think most softphones are for Windows. [03:18] bittorrent [03:18] like ekiga? with vid and text chat? [03:18] dissocia1ive, i do [03:19] i like deluge better myself [03:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-58.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:19] deluge is nice. transmission was just faster to set up [03:19] hiptobecubic: do you know how If can I resume a torrent download in the daemon that I started from the gtk-gui client [03:19] yes its good no doubt [03:20] dissocia1ive, if you tell the daemon to download to a particular place, and it finds the file already there, it checks to see if it's a match and continues/seeds based on what it finds [03:21] dissocia1ive, that's what i've gathered anyway. you can try asking in #transmission [03:21] dissocia1ive, but i think if you have a file. and you load the appropriate torrent in the daemon, it will resume rather than clobber [03:23] well i'm out be well ya'll [03:23] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:24] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] hiptobecubic: now I have noticed that the daemon and the gui client have separate configuration directories, I will try to tell teh daemon to use the same configuration directory of the gui client [03:27] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [03:28] Kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@92.48.23.208) joined ##slackware. [03:28] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [03:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:32] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [03:32] nullboy, have you seen this...? http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=21835 [03:35] dios_mio (i=test2@88.241.129.88) left irc: Connection timed out [03:35] that's for windows [03:35] isn't it? [03:35] i've done it over bluetooth on my laptop with linux [03:37] nullboy, it's to turn off evdo [03:37] and all kinds of other crazy things [03:37] it's how to get into the admin menu of phone [03:37] xterm with ttf ftw [03:38] also, i don't have bluetooth sadly [03:40] dot [03:44] sherique (n=se@adsl-66-142-89-38.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] the mic on my laptop is insanely sensitive [03:46] does iptables has rule for matching a listening port as target? [03:46] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:47] I would like to allow New not syn packets to ports that are already listening [03:47] only [03:47] nullboy, mine is insanely not recognized by alsa [03:48] who is your phone service provider and how much did it cost you to use phone internet? [03:48] verizon / an arm [03:49] snap [03:49] we're also verizon but i want both my arms [03:49] i'll probably never use this but i want to get it working anyway :D [03:50] that's what i did too [03:51] i just wanted to know i could make everything work [03:51] i'm not sue i understand how it works.... it's ppp? [03:51] Kerio2005 (i=Kerio200@62.120.139.236) left irc: Connection timed out [03:52] it uses ppp to connect [03:52] i've never used ppp. not since moving to linux anyway [03:53] should the phone be in /dev/ or something? it shows up properly in lsusb [03:53] Portmapper (i=Kerio200@62.120.173.101) joined ##slackware. [03:53] and i loaded the moto_modem module [03:53] and usb_serial [03:53] Were you using pppd? or did you get... what is it? kppp? [03:53] did you get a special serial device? [03:54] pppd [03:54] nullboy, i'm not sure if i did or not. /dev is full of nodes and i only really know anything about a few of them [03:54] dmesg [03:56] well is says some promising things, but no mention of /dev [03:56] http://rafb.net/p/j2cXII26.html [03:57] something like ttyACM0 or simliar shows up for me [03:57] i must have .... 40 tty* [03:57] no more like 200 [03:58] aha [03:58] i'm looking at creation times [03:58] n0xus (n=m@209.90.93.98) joined ##slackware. [03:58] usbdev3.6? [03:58] man i can't remember if i'm running 12.2 or 12.0 [03:59] n0xus, cat /etc/slackware-version [03:59] thx alot [03:59] 12.1 [03:59] :d [04:00] nullboy, also possibly ptmx? [04:00] i dunno [04:00] mine really just showed up in dmesg with a dev entry [04:01] rats [04:01] it should be clear, maybe you need to put the phone into data mode [04:01] i wonder why mine isn't [04:01] hmm maybe... [04:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] where should I install mysql? /etc/? [04:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:03] probably not. [04:03] jescisp2s: slackware comes with mysql [04:04] nullboy, I'm following the O'Reilly Web Database Applications with PHP & MySQL book. [04:05] then look at what the stock slackbuild for mysql does [04:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [04:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [04:09] shevek (n=shevek@athedsl-192852.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:09] Kerio2004 (i=Kerio200@92.48.23.208) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:11] nullboy, on the machine or the website? [04:11] if you must manually install it i, look at what the slackbuild does so you have an idea [04:12] is there a central location gpg looks fro all keys or do you drop it in the build environment [04:12] jescisp2s, just put it in /opt or something? if you're willing to do what you have to do to PATH, etc [04:13] BanaN-TT (n=chatzill@78.157.188.50) joined ##slackware. [04:14] Dave_VK (n=chatzill@58.168.49.130) joined ##slackware. [04:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[04:23] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Client Quit [04:23] sherique_ (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] nullboy, i'm pretty much at a complete loss here. guess i should get bluetooth [04:25] sherique (n=se@adsl-66-142-89-38.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:25] hiptobecubic, leave a message at the sound of the beep... *beep* ;) [04:26] super-st0ned (n=bart@c89222.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:27] I hate when you're looking for a howto and it says something like. "download the wizard" [04:27] "click ok ok, yes, ok, i agree, ok.... and there you go! everything works perfect" [04:27] hahaha yeah :D [04:28] who the hell is the target market for those howtos? [04:28] someone that can google things but can't read a dialogue box? [04:29] hiptobecubic, ex-MM$ Windows users :x [04:29] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [04:30] Action: Old_Fogie hums "mohave..." [04:30] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Freaking cold outside last night [04:33] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:33] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] But I still didn't skate yet :'( [04:35] Don't have ones that fit anymore, such a shame. [04:37] Portmapper (i=Kerio200@62.120.173.101) left irc: Protocol not available [04:44] Tyrael (n=bart@c89222.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:46] well idk its 0c right now outside [04:46] at might maybe it was at most -4 or so [04:46] and i am used to -20 at nights [04:46] and more lol [04:46] so its kinda a pussy weather for me [04:46] :-) [04:47] unless you arent used to cold at all ;P [04:50] How would I remove the first 1000 bytes from a file ? 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[06:37] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:37] christmas was 2 weeks ago [06:40] christmas was 2 weeks ago [X] in bed. [06:54] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.95.123) left ##slackware. [06:55] tiny (n=ivob@89-212-253-180.static.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [06:56] pupit: Orthodox Christians count religious holidays according to teh Julian calendar and they celebrate Christmas today :) [06:56] of cors. [06:56] :D [06:56] veki [06:56] :D [06:56] :) [06:57] we should start the holidays according to the catholic tradition and switch to the orthodox one on new year ;p [06:57] in that regard you were right by saying "mery christmas" [06:58] :) [06:58] well [06:58] Camarade_Tux: and from time to time to add some other religions too, especially for lazy people who do not like to work ;) [06:58] but all this discussion is off topic [06:59] in my opinion, veki, where are u from? :D [06:59] simplesso (n=simplex@uglyplace.org) joined ##slackware. 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[08:07] hey...so let's say i have over 1000 emails in a particular user's local mailbox on a linux system, and i want to forward them all to some external email address. can anyone think of a simple (command line) way to do that? [08:09] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) joined ##slackware. [08:09] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-39c17790e5de829a) joined ##slackware. [08:18] mutt can bounce them [08:20] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-43-132.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:20] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [08:20] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [08:21] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:22] nooper: details? i've looked at mutt but i can't find a way to either forward multiple messages at once or call up individual messages from the command line in a scriptable way [08:22] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-db2ec8bca6ae707a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:22] after opening it in mutt: T.;b [08:23] it'll tag all emails, and bounce them to the address [08:23] ah, excellent! trying it now [08:23] oh wait [08:24] k [08:24] T.;b
[08:24] yeah [08:27] beautiful, it worked. thanks! [08:29] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-39c17790e5de829a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:33] pookiewookie_ (i=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [08:34] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:36] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [08:36] pookiewookie_ (i=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [08:37] np [08:39] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [08:40] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:41] pupit: pozdrav :) [08:41] de si spiki :) [08:43] vasili! [08:43] plant this sticky bomb on their tank! [08:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] vasili, win the war for us! [08:47] Anyone got any thoughts on mixing matched RAM pairs? [08:48] elektr1k_ (n=betrayal@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] eg 2x matched 6400s (5-5-5-18) in one channel and then in the other 2x matched 6400s from diff manufacturer on 6-6-6-12 [08:49] should work [08:49] i imagine at the higher latencies [08:49] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:49] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:49] heh, hit wrong button [08:49] just, I already have the 6-6-6-12 that I can add into it.. but if i bought identical ones to the originals im looking at £30 [08:50] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [08:52] perhaps i could up the voltage of the 66612 and try to get it to run at 5-5-5-18 [08:53] bah screw it.. if i want to upgrade i'll pay and buy identicals [08:53] esp since they are GOOD (Corsair XMS2 CM2X1024-6400 Matched Pair) [08:54] is the slackware.com down? [08:54] seems it.. or heavily chonked [08:59] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.199) joined ##slackware. [08:59] sucituanbo (n=full@c-24-21-121-148.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [09:00] elektr1k (n=songoku@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:03] Carlows (n=carlos@189.8.192.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. 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[09:33] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:33] i havent used in in 10+ years [09:33] what's dialup? :p [09:33] Cann0n, well, since then, there's been the advent of V.92 and 56K. [09:33] i wish i could get something good... [09:33] That's pretty much where it peaked. [09:34] Though, if you can afford satellite, might as well spring for ISDN. [09:34] But seriously, it hasn't changed much in the sense that, dial-up tech hasn't changed much either, so slack is still up-to-date. [09:34] can u hook a wireless lan to dial up? [09:34] So what's the next step ? I have nothing to solve now [09:34] Cann0n, sure. [09:34] Cann0n: wtf? [09:34] Just need a gateway to do the dialing. [09:34] you can hook any network to any other network [09:34] Other than that, it's just PPP. [09:34] Just use the connection as a router/gateway for your wireless network. [09:34] With slackware, you just use it and work on having fun with it, I don't have problems anymore :S [09:35] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [09:35] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:35] i never fucked with dial up... [09:35] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) joined ##slackware. [09:36] what is sad is dial up is faster than wild blue [09:36] I'm having some problems using cpan2tgz on 12.2 [09:36] Cann0n, it's probably not faster so much as it's not as lossy. [09:37] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [09:38] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:38] lol... when u pay 90 USD monthly and only get not even 2 weeks of use for that month.... [09:38] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [09:38] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [09:38] after running the initial setup, when I try to install a module, I get the following error: Failed to find module: build_requires [09:38] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Cann0n, that's when you demand a refund. [09:39] And, like I said, get ISDN instead of dial-up. It's just as much as satellite, but a little faster than dial-up. [09:39] when we call, they do some thing and it works like a champ [09:39] i only get dial up and sat out here [09:40] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl169-154.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [09:40] shit, im about to leave the computer world for a bit any ways... being out here in the sticks has warped my mind [09:41] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [09:44] evanton (i=nobody@gateway/tor/x-72406acfed6563d7) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:47] I am so pissed off wioth Logitech! [09:47] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:47] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.212) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:47] If I were american thjey would allow me to buy a G7 mouse.. but since I'm not.. I'm not good enough for them and am therefore not allowed to purchase one!" [09:47] they wont even let Amazon ship one to me even though they are in stock! [09:49] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:49] ... [09:49] order somewhere else.... [09:50] show me where [09:50] without putting the cost through the roof [09:51] ... [09:51] letmegooglethatforyou.com [09:51] dont make me plonk you [09:51] the point im making is that logitech have decided to stop selling it in EMEA and there's sod all I can do about without spending a fortune [09:53] this is a mouse? [09:53] yesh [09:53] But look at the bright side. You're NOT American. ;) [09:53] that IS a bright side [09:53] why so much stress over a mouse? [09:54] Action: rob0 <3 his Trackman Wheel [09:54] because i can prolly persuade the company to buy it [09:54] i use a $10 USD microsoft usb mouse i found [09:54] I own two of them.. one at home, one at work.. and the one at home is a bit broken [09:55] so i want to take the one at work home and use it there.. and i may be able to persuade the company they should be me a nother one forwork [09:55] ... [09:55] why not convert tho company to dvorak while you are at it. :P [09:56] i tried to find a dvorak keyb but i coiuldnt find anyone to sell me onw [09:56] one [09:56] just rearrange the keys and set the kbd map [09:57] bah.. too much effort [09:57] I once paid US$60 for a Trackman serial. Shortly thereafter the prices went way down, of course. But that one is still working fine ... I stopped using it on my main computer because it lacks a scroll. [09:57] ... [09:57] dtanner (n=dtanner@76.233.37.58) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Zordrak, it took me 5 minutes to do my laptop [09:58] Rearranging keys won't work on better keyboards, which have differently-molded keycaps per row. [09:58] hello rob0 [09:59] At work I exclusively use some very serious old clicky dell keyboards (by serious I mean I couldnt break one by putting my foot through it when i tried) [09:59] at home I exclusively use Logitech Cordless Desktop Optical (also out of production now) [09:59] my cheap usb keyboard has different keys per row [10:00] rob0, some people like fancy hardware... i bought 4 or 5 kbds at a thrift store for 0.50 USD each [10:00] i have an old slack box, how to find out what version of slack it is running [10:00] the kernel has been changed to 2.6.14.4 [10:00] cat /etc/slackware-version [10:01] Action: rob0 <3 fancy hardware :) (typed on a Saitek Eclipse II with lighted keys) [10:01] I rearranged all the keys on my keyboard still, though.. only the i is in the correct place [10:01] what layout? [10:01] my goal is to one day wear off all of the keys [10:02] didn't change the layout. the keys don't correspond to it [10:02] a and m should be the same [10:02] ah.... [10:02] i swapped my laptops keys for dvorak... just needs the dot on u and h [10:03] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:03] it's like extra security.. if anyone tries to use my laptop that shouldn't, for one they probably couldn't use linux, but if they hunt and peck, they're in trouble [10:03] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [10:04] but if its qwerty... it wont be hard to use lol [10:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] dtanner , tanks [10:04] kannan: welcome [10:04] if they hunt and peck, they'd do it wrong due to switched keys :P it was a common trick in high school.. switch the m and n keys and a ton of people begin having login problems [10:05] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:05] Nick change: judequinn -> usus12jari [10:05] if they hunt and peck, they probably wouldnt have much use for a laptop [10:06] thinking about it [10:06] I *MIGHT* have a spare Cordless Desktop Optical mouse at home [10:06] ah... we are talking about HS kids. of course that would confuse them [10:06] I bought a couple of extra sets when i needed new keyboards,, but i think i mnight still have a packaged mouse [10:06] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:06] putting tape over the power switch slows them down [10:06] I dunno if my roommate could use my computer.. keyboard might stop her [10:07] Action: Old_Fogie chuckles ... [x] in bed [10:07] my dad used my laptop.. he didn't have it plugged in so he grabbed my powercord, then realized he couldn't figure out how to get back to the internet when he turned it back on [10:07] then couldn't turn it off.. so he just let the power die [10:08] i let folks use my laptop... but they get fed up with how its set up [10:08] ffs [10:08] Cann0n, they don't like the fluxbox? [10:08] I use fluxbox and x doesn't boot on startup, so it's really confusing for people used to only windows [10:08] prising the kjeys of a keyb.. theyre flying all over the place.. behinmd stuff where i cant get at them [10:09] yeah. "no start button" [10:09] hahaha [10:09] im now sless [10:09] my mom knows about right clicking in fluxbox, though. so proud of her [10:09] Cann0n, tho I do put the word "menu' in xfce, gnome has it, dont know if kde can , but none of my family uses it [10:09] so never really looked [10:10] my missus downloaded and started a torent on my flux server all on her own! [10:10] lol [10:10] def a proud moment [10:10] though she also has the annoying habit of closing every open window when she's done - even things she did not open herself [10:10] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.78) joined ##slackware. [10:10] hmmm [10:10] i dont hang out with computer capable people [10:10] anyone know if there's a UK dvorak map built into slack? [10:10] raela|alt, I do that too. It's a very bad habbit from using windows and fear that you may crash, or that your win boxes weren't so great at multi-tasking [10:11] yeah, most of my friends are no computer people [10:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Old_Fogie: she's just weird. she also came into my brother's room once, opened up firefox, and began checking his history for porn.. while he and I were sitting there [10:11] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:12] if he's under 18 I dont see an issue with that [10:12] no, he was 20 or 21 at the time [10:12] wzs3zpoooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisszssssssssdssssffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffsfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffsudkrreers3333333333x x444xxxrewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [10:12] she then proceeded to close all his windows [10:13] jesus, I need goggles for this [10:13] raela|alt, ah I see [10:13] elektr1k (n=saiya-ji@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [10:13] she didn't want to yell at him.. she was just curious [10:13] fffvvvvvc dfffffgiop[ [10:13] raela|alt, not that it's right, but some/many have hard time 'cutting the cord' [10:13] cool [10:14] iiuooop[ghhhhhhhhhfffffffffffffffffffffffdijgggvbyip [10:14] iip [10:14] sorry [10:15] Old_Fogie: hrm, I think she's fine with letting him go, but he never goes far. she had an awful time when I left for college.. called me every night for a year [10:15] ... [10:16] my mom doesnt want me to leave home... [10:16] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiw205.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:16] damnnit.. the keys are diff molded for each row [10:16] raela|alt, dod what I did, ask for money when they call, they'll stop [10:16] I left for school 6 hours away [10:16] Old_Fogie: oh, I only talk to her 1-2 times a week now.. she's learned to chill out [10:16] hahah [10:17] Old_Fogie: she had justification, though.. I was only 16, so meh [10:22] hrm, I should update this laptop to firefox 3.. using 2.0.0.7, which is from may 2007 [10:24] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [10:26] jay_ (n=jay@70.234.182.28) joined ##slackware. [10:26] http://xs135.xs.to/xs135/09023/1231340636726145.jpg [10:26] heh [10:27] Nick change: jay_ -> jdetring_ [10:27] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Connection timed out [10:29] 14:58 < rob0> Rearranging keys won't work on better keyboards, which have differently-molded keycaps per row. [10:29] Woo!! I'm done [10:29] I now have a Classic UK DVORAK keyb [10:30] I set my kids up with dvorak, but didn't keep it up on them, they're falling into the qwerty trap like the rest of us did. [10:30] no, azerty :p [10:31] I would be so lost if I tried to go to dvorak.. I type with only my index fingers, so learning something else would be hard [10:31] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:32] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [10:35] h, [10:35] can anyone access www.slackware.com? [10:35] Baisuoklis, nope not here either [10:36] darn i wanted to use easy firewall creator :( [10:36] Baisuoklis, it was up an hour or so ago tho [10:36] ok ,can someone tell me how to open-up a particular port, lets say port 6511 [10:37] huh.. ok.. so how do i change the active keyboard layout for the command line>? [10:37] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:39] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:40] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Wow, I'm completely baffled here. All my 'ogg video' files made from gtk-recordmydesktop do not play on pc's that use intel driver on 12.2. Yet the same file plays on a box with radeon. The pc's are imaged..so it's the same exact install. Any thoughts? [10:42] #omg [10:42] still dvorak issues huh [10:42] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:43] my wpm is so slow it needs to be measured in words per week [10:43] heh! when I tried to learn touch typing, I went from 70-90 wpm to 10 [10:43] maybe I'll upgrade libtheora and recomp and see where it goes [10:43] after a week, I was at 30 with cheating, so I gave up [10:44] it hurt to type 'correctly' [10:44] raela|alt: find your own style, dont conform! :) [10:44] tho, I cant help but wonder if it's an xv issue, hrmm [10:44] im like WHERE'S THE FRIGGING V?!? [10:45] gnubien: that was my conclusion. who cares if it's pretty much hunting and pecking :P [10:45] I memorized the keyboard if I'm typng with my index fingers, but the second I put all my fingers on the keyboard, I can't think of the layout at all [10:45] raela|alt: practice typing some sentence with all the char's in it [10:46] plus i have done a dvorak-uk layout but im still on a dvorak-us map [10:46] gnubien: too much effort [10:46] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: "leaving" [10:46] raela|alt: ok, done! :) [10:46] loadkeys (1) - load keyboard translation tables [10:48] rob0: did that.. thats why :& [10:48] :*) [10:49] hrm, I think I should change my taskbar date layout from dd mm yyyy to mm dd yyyy.. my lcd's big white bar of death covers the day [10:49] afk, class over [10:50] Z, the gotcha I encountered with Dvorak was that the BIOS was still assuming qwerty. [10:50] tryingc to find a dvorak-gb map so i dont have to self-mod [10:50] I think LILO did too. [10:50] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:51] wikipedia reckons xorg has 1 [10:51] obviously not a big deal, just do the translation mentally. [10:51] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:57] ok.. so i can add "-variant dvorak" in setxkbmap .. what about the cmd line [10:57] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:02] panda (n=gabriele@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:04] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] I typed this with my eyes closed [11:05] touch-typing rocks! [11:05] x9kasdddfk [11:06] It's worth learning if you're stuck in a bad environment or are prone to errors [11:06] I typed that with my nose [11:06] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:06] that's very precise [11:06] fsdkjliuo [11:06] my nose is wider :) [11:07] :) [11:08] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [11:08] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:08] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:08] alch (n=alch@78-28-80-141.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [11:10] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:10] so yountype with your bnoze ? [11:10] oh, s/noze/nose [11:10] W|GGL|T (i=99279c5d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d6262241abc5dd31) joined ##slackware. [11:12] W|GGL|T: grrrr [11:12] :) [11:12] i may get yelled at for using mibbit at work [11:12] Anyone know anything about xorg keyboard layouts? [11:12] whether one could be exported to a map.gz? [11:13] W|GGL|T: so don't use mibbit [11:13] Action: Camarade_Tux had also noticed the mibbit ;) [11:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Dominian: that means no IRC [11:17] bah...bbl [11:17] W|GGL|T (i=99279c5d@about/slackware/wigglit) left ##slackware. [11:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:18] ? [11:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:20] Zordrak, Read slackbook [11:21] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-ad52d3352ef51bdd) joined ##slackware. [11:25] haha [11:26] what's the name of the firefox plugin of mplayer ? [11:26] wmp? [11:26] Action: Old_Fogie hums "mohave" [11:26] pip: I wouldnt expect a section on that in slackbook(!) [11:26] It can play whatever mplayer can play [11:27] pip, oh you mean the mplayer-plugin ? [11:27] Zordrak, keymap ? there is a configuration file in /etc [11:27] Old_Fogie, No, but that's an option [11:27] Anyone please ? [11:27] c0nflict (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:28] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:28] plugin of mplayer <-- mplayer-plugin ? what else is there pip? [11:28] Action: pip goes to search online [11:28] mozplugg [11:28] pip: I dont see how that helps with finding a gb-dvorak map file [11:28] okay, I don't know what gb-dvorak is [11:29] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:29] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-67-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] pip: it's a dvorak keyboard layout for UK English [11:31] Okay, Zordrak the first electronic computer was invented in American [11:31] *USA [11:31] so...? [11:31] Action: pip is a Chinese but is pleasant with US layout keymap [11:32] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:32] pip: you may not be aware but there is a standard UK qwerty layout that is used exclusively across all the countries in the UK.. and to that effect, there is also a UK/GB standard dvorak layout [11:33] xorg provide it by means of setxkbmap -layout gb -variant dvorak [11:33] Does it work ? [11:33] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [11:33] i just dont know where I can find that same layout as a map i can use in a command line environment [11:33] yes, it works perfectly [11:34] Old_Fogie, gecko-mediaplayer is what I am looking for [11:34] if necessary I will manually alter the dvorak.map.gz that comes with slack.. but I would have thought that someone has already done it [11:34] im not a fan of wheel-reinvention [11:34] Then google works ? [11:35] Googling was the first thing I did [11:35] but after 10-15mins I thgought I might ask a few people on IRC [11:35] esp. since this channel is where the discussion started about an hour or so ago [11:36] fwiw, wheel-reinvention should't carry such a negative image, particularly because there are so many crappy wheel inventions [11:37] rk4n3: But when you have the same design plans for the same wheel.. why build a new factory when someone else is already selling them? [11:37] wheel re-invention is a good thing in many instances [11:37] that metaphor strayed a little i know [11:37] thrice`: indeed [11:39] Zordrak: well, the usual reason for re-inventing is that the existing inventions suck [11:39] or cost too much [11:39] heh ... "suck" has many faces :) [11:40] indeed. [11:41] I dont want to start afresh if someone else has already done the exact same thing [11:41] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] and in the 60million people that live here, I would have thought one or two might have made a map file for something xorg did years agoi [11:44] dngr (n=dngr@pcd342166.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [11:47] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [11:50] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [11:53] what does glibc-i18n do ? [11:56] i18n is the international character set - so you can get those double-byte characters on your screen without the funny codes [11:57] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-67-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:58] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-11-200.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] think kanjii and some of those other oriental symbol-based character sets [12:01] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejd245.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:05] alisonken1home, er...yes, I am aware of that too, but glibc is supposed to do like ..... ? [12:07] The GNU C library. It's one of the most important parts of your system. [12:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host204-114-static.88-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:10] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn126.91-127-77.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:10] I see, so if you use glibc international support, you can have unicode charsets in your C programs right / [12:11] I would think so. 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[12:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:26] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:26] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-11-200.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:27] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-72-85.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:29] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Anyone here ever have a car repossesed? heh [12:30] repo'd [12:30] I'm wondering why I'm being forced to pay insurance on a car I don't have anymore [12:31] abby: No, but I used to repo them. [12:31] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left ##slackware ("*I'm a PC and I run Linux*"). [12:31] abby: Well, that doesn't make any sense. How long ago was it repossesed? [12:32] About 4 months ago [12:32] someone using RTL8185L WLAN card chipset ? [12:32] or Atheros 5211 ? [12:33] usr13, And I think they are charging me for the lein still too [12:33] Your state mandates the insurance requirement, right? [12:33] usr13, it's Wells Fargo. They took double payments out of my bank account twice which caused me to default on the loan [12:33] abby: Take it up with the loan company that had it repossesed. [12:34] usr13, Yeah I think the state does [12:34] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [12:34] usr13, good deal. I'm probably going to file suit too. [12:34] abby: What did the ins. co. say when you tried to cancel the policy? [12:35] i need a smoke, these guys piss me off so bad, and they're freakin rude and unprofessional [12:35] usr13, I just cancelled, I'm deployed to Afghanistan so I didn't have to pay insurance [12:35] abby: You may also need to call the state insurance board and explain your situation. [12:35] usr13, and I'm still here [12:36] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-018-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] usr13, sounds good [12:37] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] What's sad is I read in a few places that they're employees get paid bonuses for folks paying late fees and the like [12:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:37] they're/their [12:38] Why does that not surprise me.....? [12:39] Yeah, I mean that just encourages them to double dip into people's accounts and charge late fees on top of it [12:39] Happened to me twice [12:39] And they would "lose" my faxes when I would try and correct it [12:39] gah, I'm getting angry again [12:40] tricqster (n=knao@adsl-dyn210.91-127-75.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:41] dgo (n=dgo@unaffiliated/dgo) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Sorry to hear about your situation.... Our financial instutions have shortcommings - to put it mildly... :) [12:41] They run Windows servers! [12:42] I guess [12:43] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [12:43] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn126.91-127-77.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] It's alright, they are gonna be greating a lawsuit when I get back home [12:43] greeting [12:43] So mad I can't type [12:44] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:44] is there a military ombudsman who might help you? A lawyer s [12:44] scott_w (n=scott@5ac49bb1.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Nick change: tricqster -> qneo [12:44] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:44] (sure as hell won't, I was about to say) [12:44] you know you like it [12:44] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] so how bout that Slackware [12:45] ops that wasnt fstock [12:45] is there a military ombudsman who might help you? A lawyer sure as hell won't [12:45] rob0, not getting a lawyer [12:46] Getting a new hobby, of typing up pleadings and depositions? :) [12:46] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [12:47] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] rob0, I'll deal with the $5000 cap in small claims [12:47] As long as they eat that damn loan and fix my credit [12:47] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [12:47] hey guys [12:48] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:48] hey seejay. [12:48] I hope you win, but the deck is stacked against you. [12:48] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] rob0, JAG can help me out with that [12:49] rob0, military lawyers are free . . . but you get what you pay for [12:49] dgo (n=dgo@unaffiliated/dgo) left irc: "Leaving" [12:49] wait [12:49] I missed it [12:49] Seems like they'd have support services to help with issues like this, don't they? [12:49] something happened with insurance? [12:50] car repo'ed because of bank errors, still charging insurance after the repo [12:50] uhhh [12:50] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] abby: you cancelled the insurance I'm assuming? [12:51] and if you DID send faxes.. please tell me you still have the originals. [12:51] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [12:51] Dominian, I cancelled before the repo [12:51] because if you have the originals... the insurance companies is screwed [12:51] [x] in bed [12:51] Dominian, because I left to come here to Afghanistan [12:51] abby: good.. get JAG give them the faxes you sent..be done with it [12:51] Action: Dominian slaps Old_Fogie [12:51] Dominian, and was not required to have insurance [12:51] Dominian, hahahah [12:52] Dominian, and yes I have the original faxes [12:52] not required to have insurance [x] in bed [12:52] rob0, lol [12:52] abby: you weren't required? [12:52] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-018-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:52] abby: wqhen was the policy due to lapse? [12:52] and did you get a cancellation confirmation FROM the insurance company? [12:53] Dominian, but they put forced-placed insurance on my car (that they have) and are charging me for the lein still along with late fees [12:53] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-018-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] eh [12:53] Dominian, after they double dipped into my bank account twice causing me to default [12:53] Wait.. wait.. [12:53] do you have the cancellation notice from the insurance company.. you said you cancelled before you left.. [12:54] Dominian, Last month the policy lapsed, that's when they put forced-placed insurance on the car [12:54] They usually give you a receipt or somethning so you have confirmation. [12:54] uhhh [12:54] they can't do that. [12:54] Dominian, the car that THEY have [12:54] Yeah.. they can't do forced-placed insurance on a vehicle they repo'd [12:54] if you bought the car with a bank loan, the bank can do that [12:54] hi, i got a more general question: my new hdd just arrived, and i am about to shove slackware on it. so what partition layout do you recommend (that will be a pure linux system)... as i got no clue:) [12:54] the bank CAN not the insurance company [12:54] alisonken1: once the car is repo'd its the banks responsibility.. not the insurance company [12:54] Dominian, I have the cancellation notice [12:54] if the vehicle is repo'd, then it's another issue [12:55] abby: Then they are screwed [12:55] lowkyalur: I personally do swap, / , and /home [12:55] some like to break it up even more [12:55] abby: I don't think you have anything to worry about [12:55] other than bad credit due to repo on your report [12:55] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:56] thrice`: i think someone sometime mentioned to put /var/log onto an extra partition just in case something goes mental that is flooding the log files and cramming the disk that way? [12:56] brazilian_lammer (n=root@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Dominian, whew alright cause I wasn't sure how that all worked [12:56] Dominian, the insurance they bought was $980 [12:57] lowkyalur: I've never seen it, but some do like /var separated [12:57] bank insurance is always higher than you can find [12:58] Dominian, I'm definitely still being charged as if I still have the car too [12:58] Dominian, can they do that? [12:58] no [12:58] They are acting like nothing ever happened [12:58] lowkyalur: simple is good to start out, but I personally like to set aside some unused 8GB partitions on big new drives. [12:58] Semei (n=Semei@94-192-115-70.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:58] abby: They can't charge you for insurace for a vehicle the bank repo'd [12:58] They have no grounds to do that. [12:58] Semei (n=Semei@94-192-115-70.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [12:58] Dominian, I'm talking about for the loan [12:59] Dominian, I'm still being charged monthly loan payments [12:59] uhhh [12:59] rob0: what would that be for? [12:59] They *might* be able to dot hat.. [12:59] indeed they can [12:59] even though the repod it.. however.. if they repo'd it.. they should be trying t work with you on what ouc an afford. [12:59] damn, freakin wierd [12:59] not really :| [12:59] I thought they were supposed to sell it again and I pay the difference [13:00] thrice`: its easy eough.. tell them.. work with me... or I'll declare bankruptcy and you get nothing [13:00] hehe [13:00] That truely is double dipping then [13:00] abby: Well heres the thing.. are they pulling the payment RIGHT out of your bank account? [13:00] They can literally have two leins against the exact same car? [13:00] If they are, pull their authorization so they can't do it. [13:00] abby: no [13:00] two leins is illegal as far as I know [13:00] Dominian, hell no. I told my bank not to let them take anything [13:00] lowkyalur, it makes upgrading easy, it gives flexibility for the unexpected [13:00] abby: Ok.. so they can't double-dip now? [13:00] Dominian, nope [13:01] good [13:01] Dominian, they aren't getting anything right now [13:01] rob0: how does that make upgrading easy? [13:01] yeah I would definitely discuss it with JAG [13:01] Dominian, not until I talk to a lawyer [13:01] because I think there are certain laws.. especially for deployed soldiers.. that the bank/insurance are violating [13:02] abby, not sure how it works these days, but way back when, if a creditor made the attempt to garnish wages and won, that could be rights for discharge. talk to a lawyer. [13:02] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:02] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [13:02] oh stfu, they didn't even have cars "back then" :> [13:02] thrice`, :) [13:02] Old_Fogie: not anymore [13:03] Dominian, ah ok [13:03] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [13:03] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-018-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:03] We still had to take out loans to buy dinosaurs. [13:03] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-018-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] I hate talking to that bank, they act like everything is my fault and they can do no wrong [13:03] sounds like my ISP [13:04] Pisses me off to no end [13:04] lowkyalur, a new install into a different root partition. [13:05] And after they double dip, they still act like I didn't pay them at all! [13:05] "We have no record of payment this month" [13:05] abby, save them bank records [13:05] I did [13:05] there's always a 'routing number' [13:05] rob0: oke, thank you! [13:05] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [13:06] get a copy of your check, it'll be on there abby (how they routed the funds) [13:06] They took my car too, which was really the last straw [13:06] abby, even by law your bank has to give it to you , but they may charge, some banks only micro-fiche the checks [13:06] abby: Who is the bank? [13:06] Old_Fogie, they had direct ACH payments from my bank account [13:06] scott_w (n=scott@5ac49bb1.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:06] I never do ach payments to a bank .. cause they are bastards [13:06] hehe [13:06] Now insurance and late fees! gah [13:07] abby, yea ok, that's totally backtraceable from your bank. call your bank and have them send you proof of payments. [13:07] What a bunch of crooks [13:07] lowkyalur: I also do not skimp on swap. Swap can be used for suspend-to-disk (I've not messed with that) and tmpfs for /tmp (which I do use.) [13:07] abby: who is the bank? [13:07] Dominian, Wells Fargo was the lein holder [13:08] oh god [13:08] those guys SUCK [13:08] abby! [13:08] Dominian, my bank, USAA, refunded me what they took double of and restricted them from taking anything else [13:08] abby: you should look at getting a USAA.com account :) [13:08] WOOT! [13:08] abby: I LOVE usaa [13:08] StevenR_, !!!!!!??????? [13:08] Dominian: DHCP-server NOT FOUND!!!111oneone :( [13:08] StevenR_: I NOT FOUND! [13:08] abby: I just recently got my CC and checking account going with them.. I love it so far. [13:08] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""second lunch [x] in bed"" [13:08] Dominian, me too. They are freakin awesome [13:09] aye [13:09] they love us soldiers [13:09] lol [13:09] Dominian, I had Bank of America and they screwed me a number of times [13:09] Dominian, so I got USAA and never EVER had any problems [13:09] aye [13:09] I love the free checks for life :) [13:10] Hah, yeah I love everything about them [13:10] heh [13:10] deposit@home is sweet [13:10] as soon as i get a flat bed scanner [13:10] rob0: ah, i usually put twice the ram for swap - 2GB - that's also good for suspend-to-disk (other than suspend to ram that needs some changes in the bootloader). tmp is a nice idea. i'll check into that. how big would i make / then (assuming to have the major part of the 320GB disk for /home) [13:11] only 1GB RAM? You're sure to upgrade that before too long. :) [13:12] Also, you probably want at least 1G for /tmp, I use on my workstation. [13:13] Dominian, their support team is freakin awesome [13:13] rob0: hmmm. i got a thinkpad. ram eats battery. 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[13:18] thrice`, I hear ya man [13:18] I really feel sorry for all the folks that don't really have much job security [13:18] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-98-118-72-85.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:18] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-154-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] Unemployment is going through the roof [13:19] Though I can't wait to get back to civilian life [13:19] What I have is better than job security ... it's ... enough resources to ride out the unemployment. [13:19] (and I am unemployed ATM) [13:20] Yeah I'm working on getting to that point [13:20] But certain things aren't really helping [13:20] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.116) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:20] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:21] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:39] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] hi all, my current 12.0 version lacks a checkinstall tool, I looked for the slackbuild package but found nothing, is there anything in checkinstall that it prohibits it from being distributed with slackware or ship the slack build packages ... will ./configure make make install would install the checkinstall fine [13:40] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:41] paul424, have you tried src2pkg, or slackbuilds? [13:41] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] paul424: if I remember correctly checkinstall would not work correctly on Slackware anymore. There is a bugfix for it already in cvs/svn (don't know what it uses) but not in a release yet [13:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] tribeca (n=naitso@host44-247-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:45] dive: slackbuild you mean using the makepkg ? it's too complicated for my purposes [13:46] no i mean a slackbuild from slackbuilds.org [13:46] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [13:47] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [13:48] dive: as pprkut mentioned, this system is not avalaible under slackware anymore [13:48] shevek (n=shevek@athedsl-192852.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:48] slackbuilds dont use checkinstall nor does src2pkg [13:48] Nick change: shevek -> Guest71277 [13:48] afk [13:49] Nick change: Guest71277 -> abendrot [13:49] wait a second. I said *checkinstall* does not work anymore. I said nothing about src2pkg and slackbuilds. [13:49] Anybody else getting gmusicbrowser segfaults? [13:51] pprkut: yeap I meant that [13:52] paul424: http://checkinstall.izto.org/cklist/msg00319.html [13:52] --fstrans=no [13:55] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:56] ok thanks to all [13:56] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [14:00] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:07] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:08] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:08] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [14:08] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] nickname (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:20] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [14:21] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:26] Working in KDE4 right now kinesis. But Old_Fogie KDE4 is not in the 12.2 tree... only in -current [14:27] alienBOB, ok that makes sense, I couldnt see it on the ftp site, but it's on my rsync , hehe [14:27] alienBOB: 4.1.x or 4.2 beta? [14:27] alienBOB: rc1 ? :> [14:27] s/beta/rc1/ [14:28] I get this building xine-lib "video_out_caca.c:305: undefined reference to `caca_get_canvas'" ; there's an option "--without-caca" ; what's 'caca' ; mother google says nothing [14:28] xine 1.1.16 [14:28] 1 newere than in 12.2 ; since ogg isnt working in xine for me [14:28] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-192852.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [14:30] thrice`: RC1... looking for it, but could not see it yet. I run KDE4.2beta2 [14:30] Action: Old_Fogie can see the "can I sniff your KDE4.2beta2 binaries" requests starting :) [14:31] alienBOB: hehe; it's tagged, and I think only maintainer access yet [14:31] I was hoping Pat would have finished his by now, but he was trying to get rid of dependency packages that are hard to get rid of apparently :-) [14:31] thrice`: yes I hope rworkman is able to grab them [14:31] we were hoping to bribe you for secret access [14:32] heh, there's 1 :) [14:32] My packages do not work for you ;-) [14:33] Mine will. [14:33] They make you grow more than one tentacle [14:33] lol [14:33] for some people that might be an incentive to use them ;) [14:33] Anybody tried adding EXA to to Slack? Is it a pita. I'm googlign some of these errors that xine, and totem, and realplayer give for the ogg video, and there's been bugs file with Red hat for things "similar" in scope; maybe that's what I need on these intels, dunno. 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[14:42] that was just wrong ^^ [14:42] jkwood: don't comment out your regex's - my synapses blink and I see pink elephants :) [14:42] I put home videos in ogg video format; can you say ---> ... [14:42] Old_Fogie: use mplayer :) [14:43] thrice`, I tried it gives an errorr..hang one sec [14:43] That's a perfectly valid sed line, thank you verrah much. [14:43] great google is making it's own routers now [14:43] lol [14:44] Old_Fogie: yes use mplayer it works and there has been no vet yet it seems to visit Andrew Peters yet :P [14:44] rk4n3: are they complaining that there are too many elephants in the room? [14:44] s/#/\//g ftw [14:44] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:44] thrice`, "could not open codec" <-- if launch from gui, then segfaults. and then if 'mplayer' from console it's "X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation" [14:44] yikes [14:44] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:44] thrice`, yeah [14:45] / doesn't handle spaces. :p [14:45] thrice`, on a *clean* slack 12.2 box (dual bootted from 12.1 mind you that *can* play the file) xine-ui and gxine just flat out die on this. [14:45] i got that from vlc, the X11 error [14:45] Old_Fogie: try a different vo module [14:45] -vo x11 (gmplayer works, but mplayer still fails) [14:46] jkwood: really ? ... in what way ? s/ x /x/ works ... [14:46] Necos, "Ogg stream 0 is of an unknown type" [14:46] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] And yet, this file plays *fine* on a 12.2 box that has the 'radeon' driver [14:47] Old_Fogie: a result of your gnome package additions perhaps? [14:47] so it's something with the intel..but I have no clue where to go onthis [14:47] you have theora installed too? [14:47] I get an unterminated s command. [14:47] alienBOB, no clean box too, that's the first thing I tried. And also the gnome box that has radeon is fine. [14:47] really ? ... interesting [14:47] Old_Fogie: new mplayer ? [14:47] so it's just the intel acer aspire one, and the boxes that have theonboard i810 chips [14:47] Old_Fogie: ffmpeg installed? if yes, try "ffplay " [14:47] thrice`, yes I trid the cvs one at sbo [14:48] oh, wait - I get where you're coming from - I always wrap mine in double-quotes... [14:48] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [14:48] X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation [14:48] that's ffplay [14:48] is the ram ok ? [14:48] Old_Fogie: on a clean box, really? [14:48] yeah, that's a bad driver... you upgraded your ati driver? [14:48] This same box, right...even tho it's slow. can run nexuiz, tvtime. [14:49] alienBOB, yea so Im trying the lateset xine-lib (as they have new version today for security fixes anyway to see) [14:50] I tried upgrading libdrm and compileing the latest intels from xorg (as the latest intels need later libdrm than in 12.2) and no luck that way either [14:50] you gotta be careful with that, 'cause you need to upgrade xorg-server in some cases [14:50] But this same box, is dual boot with 12.1, and that box I can play these home videos, run tvtime, heck even play neverball on with the intel driver. I dunno. [14:51] Necos, yeah I was experimenting out of desparation [14:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-11491.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Old_Fogie: libdrm 2.4.3 breaks intel, I've heard - i wouldn't touch that [14:51] well, that'd be a good starting point [14:51] I got the home videos all in ogg video, so if I cant get this, then yea I gotta convert gigs of data, or just stick with 12.1 [14:51] thrice`, I rolled back as it didnt seem to do the trick [14:51] Old_Fogie, how did you get it into ogg video? i always wondered.... [14:51] well, start looking at what packages you have installed =p [14:52] Necos, no clean box same thing [14:52] Old_Fogie: http://tinyurl.com/6dxabq [14:52] i mean, what versions of packages [14:53] Necos, stock system, eg stock driver, stock xine ; [14:53] I have a partimage load of the pc with stock and non-stock [14:53] boot into slakc 12.1 ; run partimage and wright over the 12.2 ; takes 5 minutes, boom done. [14:53] makes it easy to test ya know. [14:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:56] pprkut, I dont think will work "The VideoRam option, which in the past had been necessary to allow more than some small amount of memory to be allocated, is now ignored." and in my /var/log/xorg.0.log (II) Loading sub module "xaa"; later - (II) intel(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) [14:57] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:57] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] which is what they recommend, using XAA [14:57] Old_Fogie: try using EXA instead of XAA [14:58] we dont have exa in 12.2 [14:58] pprkut, that's what is recommended on the red hat bug reports I read [14:58] hey i was wondering: is slackware ever going to implement the "usb" group ? [14:59] TwinReverb, back when hal was added iirc that was discussed on SBo mailing; and plugdev was chosen [15:00] so really the "usb" group is "plugdev" on slackware? [15:00] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Old_Fogie: are you sure. Because exa has been around quite a long time already. I don't have an intel card, so I don't know... [15:00] hmmm [15:00] http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22534/53/ [15:00] or that we lumped all that into one group rather than two? [15:01] in my experience the plugdev group is not the same as usb [15:01] i've only seen usb used on gentoo [15:01] i had to create my own usb group in slackware since udev only operates on entries in /dev and not /proc [15:01] so i mount proc usbfs with a gid for usb group [15:01] isn't /proc dying anyway? :> [15:01] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [15:02] thrice`: gotta do what you gotta do [15:02] the usb group exists on mandriva also [15:02] lots of stuff uses proc still [15:02] then it *must* be right :> [15:02] well there's lots of useful info in /proc [15:02] but still, i'm just asking if making a usb group is smart and/or if hal/udev will notice and use it [15:02] pprkut, brb, going to try it [15:02] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:02] Old_Fogie: ok [15:03] lol [15:03] TwinReverb: unless you know you need it don't make it [15:03] too late [15:03] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Bart_Y (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:04] you'll know you need it when some program keeps looking at /proc while udev is working against /dev. then you'll know [15:04] Bart_Y (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:04] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [15:05] omg wtf i'm in /lib/udev and i run grep -R usb * and grep starts thrashing my system? [15:05] total used free shared buffers cached [15:05] Swap: 1999864 297680 1702184 [15:06] that's a big swap file [15:06] retarded.... [15:06] swap partition , rather [15:06] well nothing that control+C and then "swapoff -a && swapon -a" can't cure :P [15:07] hehehe [15:08] so ... uh, are there any in here who know of any security devices on linux, specifically hardware encrypt/decrypt engines? i'm asking because normally i don't need user-level security (because this is a single-person laptop) but i do need to protect my privacy in the event of theft. [15:08] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: No route to host [15:08] i know via has the ACE Padlock hardware crypto engine, which works nice (or so they say) [15:08] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] there are lots of hardware encryption devices [15:10] pprkut, its still loads the xaa [15:10] Old_Fogie: hmm, ok [15:11] Old_Fogie: have you tried outside of X? [15:11] yeah, well gonna play with this xine, and see where it goes, the newer one [15:11] pprkut, no that I didnt try [15:11] would be interesting if that works [15:12] ok I give it a shot n see [15:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.116) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:13] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [15:15] hmmmm [15:15] TheGhost84 (n=TheGhost@190.232.57.158) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:17] pprkut, no framebuffer on this pc forgot. [15:17] haha, ok [15:18] lol fail [15:18] yeah, I can hack the lilo, but its' a pita as you lose that resoltuion to X if need be, and log-in/out gives some un-pleasant colors on the screen [15:19] Old_Fogie: what -vo have you tested with? [15:19] cat /proc/asound/cards returns the following http://rafb.net/p/2UITiC59.html , but alsaconf finds only the HDA-Intel card (http://tinyurl.com/793n6x). Why? [15:19] in xine, totem, mplayer (realplayer has none really) x11,xv,xshm [15:20] Old_Fogie: gl? [15:20] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-233-37-58.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] pprkut, yes that too in mplayer [15:23] Old_Fogie: ok, the only ones left here would be gl2, sdl and xvidix (though that might not work). I guess you tested those too already? [15:23] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] pprkut, every one in mplayer, not every one in xine (but almost). [15:25] I see [15:25] pprkut, but I know that normally this card likes xll/xshm [15:26] well historically that's always been the best setting actually for all my boxes,nvidia, radone, intel. [15:26] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:27] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [15:27] anybody have 12.2 on floppies? [15:28] no, the kernel won't fit [15:28] kernel won't fit on a floppy anymore [15:28] Old_Fogie: I read scaling the video down might work (I know that won't be a solution....) [15:28] pprkut, could being in the huge-smp-huge kernel make any diff? [15:28] Old_Fogie: I don't think so [15:28] that's what I'm in [15:29] pprkut, yes scaling down, at that point, I'll probably just move them into some other format. but the 'fud' in my head is, why these intels doing it..makes me think stay on 12.1 for time being to get my head wrapped around it, instead of the drama and hours converting the videos. [15:30] the cards play flash, they play realplayer test files, [15:30] even avi file [15:30] I have Slackware 2.2 installed on my old laptop right now [15:30] tho, avi can be anything i suppose [15:30] finished last night [15:30] o sorry I have Slackware 4.0 with 2.2 Linux kernel [15:31] X feels snappy too, and drm is fine. dunno [15:32] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn102.78-99-138.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [15:32] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.116) joined ##slackware. [15:32] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl179-243.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [15:32] Old_Fogie: what driver do you have again? [15:33] 'intel' ; it's for an onboard 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller] [15:33] this might interest some of you even thought it seems to require the use of a windows tool http://www.lancelhoff.com/multi-partition-a-usb-flash-drive-in-windows/ [15:34] shevek (n=shevek@athedsl-192852.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:34] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [15:34] Nick change: shevek -> Guest37188 [15:35] Nick change: Guest37188 -> abendrot [15:36] Old_Fogie: you have the option "CacheLines" set in xorg.conf? [15:36] pprkut, no I do not [15:37] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:37] Old_Fogie: My last take ;) Try adding 'CacheLines "1280"' to the intel driver section [15:37] pprkut, compiz, aiglx both off (X melts if aiglx is on, but that was in 12.0, 12.1 too) and theonly options in the device driver section is the Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" [15:38] Old_Fogie: that's my reference on this (still suggests EXA at the end though...): https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2772 [15:38] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [15:38] ok [15:39] pprkut, brb [15:39] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] pprkut, hey that actually plays the file, but it's got a *lot* of vertical up/down jumpiness..but that's progress [15:42] Old_Fogie: cool [15:43] so I suppose I play with it til I get what I want then? [15:43] eh, the values... [15:43] Old_Fogie: would the i850 driver work as well with your card? [15:43] not sure, never tried it [15:43] the card is 810 so I always just put in 'intel' [15:44] 1280 is the largest value, as I read on the bugreport I gave you [15:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:44] slow pc didnt get there yet [15:44] :D [15:44] it's actually i810 anyway [15:45] there are some additional options for that driver, that might help [15:45] all described in the bugreport as well :) [15:45] "The server's certificate chain is incomplete, and the signers are not regeisterd" [15:46] huh? [15:46] your link [15:46] bugs.freedesktop.org uses an invalid security certificate. [15:46] The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown. [15:46] thats' FF3 [15:46] opera was the other [15:46] try http then...I guess [15:46] instead of https [15:47] yep that worked [15:50] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Old_Fogie: In the end trying to get EXA up and running might still be the most promising option [15:51] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] pprkut, well I'm gonna fiddle with the numbers then. At least I know that this is not an issue with my hardware, but seems to be some kind of regression since 12.1 worked for this card, and now doesnt; or should I say now I have to add stuff into xorg where it used to do it automagically. [15:51] pprkut, ok I'll try around some more on that. [15:51] brb [15:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:51] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:53] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-209.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:53] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [15:54] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:56] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [15:56] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. 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[16:10] in the tcpip options, there's a checkbox that says "register this connection with dns", which is referring to the dns servers it's using [16:10] helo dns...register...kthxby [16:10] All the Linux comp needs to do is let dhcpcd send a hostname to the DHCP server and if the DHCP server talks to a dynamic DNS server, your hostname will be added to the DNS [16:10] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:10] but it just dawned on me that i need to do something else... [16:11] In Slackware you need to give DHCP_HOSTNAME[?] a value [16:11] basically, i was thinking of how to make the linux boxen i'm setting up be pingable by hostname [16:11] by windows boxen... [16:11] And you need (1) dnsmasq wich does this almost out of the box or (2) make dhcpd and bind do the right things (c) [16:11] but since we maintain a DNS server for Active Directory, if I install samba and add them to the network, then it'll be in the DNS table too [16:12] Action: Necos googles dnsmasq [16:15] crazyfool (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:16] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] its silent. [16:19] ah, damn, dnsmasq won't work... [16:20] is there a way to prevent the system from incrementing the USB deivces ID's for the same device just because it was plugged and replugged? [16:20] nullboy: udev [16:20] if i insert it the first time i'll get 001.003, then the secodn time i get 001.004 and so on [16:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [16:20] udev [16:20] it's driving my vms nutty [16:20] write a custom udev rule for it [16:20] ok thanks [16:20] there's a good tutorial by rworkman on slackwiki.org [16:21] nice perfect [16:24] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:24] pprkut, thanks again for the input. I don't have "utopia" but a step forward,thanks again. [16:24] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [16:25] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Old_Fogie: no problem :) [16:25] Have any of you guys tried Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB ? [16:27] alisn91 (n=Administ@189.81.243.146) joined ##slackware. [16:28] eh? is that a usb soundcard? [16:28] Yes [16:28] rhys (n=rhys@hephaistos.EECS.CWRU.Edu) left irc: "leaving" [16:28] Supposed to work flawlessly under linux [16:28] It's a 5.1 surround sound card [16:28] http://www.terratec.net/en/products/pictures/produkt_bilder_en_3226.html [16:29] wow, that's a nice piece of equipment [16:30] driver support only says 2k/xp... ; ; [16:30] alisn91 (n=Administ@189.81.243.146) left irc: "Leaving" [16:31] Yet, it has the Windows Vista logo. [16:32] Action: Old_Fogie hums "mohave..." [16:32] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:32] yeah, that's odd [16:32] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Dominian: that how to is referring to creating a symlink to keep the same device node, i need to make the system stop incrementing the actual usb device ISd [16:33] IDs [16:33] Necos: Yes, it's supported by alsa usb sound [16:34] nullboy: eh.. [16:34] nullboy: dunno if you can.. [16:34] I'm sure udev CAN do that though [16:34] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] Well, I'm looking for a good usb 5.1 or 7.1 sound card that would be well support in linux [16:35] looks like it'll work out pretty good tho alkos333 [16:35] everytime i plug a stick in it gets an incremented bus/usb/001/006 entry [16:35] so if i plugged it again it would become bus/usb/001/007 [16:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:36] I think the currency of the world should be pretzels. [16:36] That way I can order the slack dvd. [16:36] lol [16:36] Gargantua: subscriptions are nice - and cheaper than ordering [16:36] I'd need a much bigger oven for that [16:36] pretzels as currency... damn it would pay to be a baker :) [16:38] Necos: Yes, it's supposed to work nicely. This is the card I have currently. Check out the note on there :) http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Creative_Sound_Blaster_Live_24-bit_external_(USB) [16:39] you're using it on a laptop? [16:39] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [16:39] jmoncayo (n=Administ@190.152.113.180) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Yes [16:39] Well, trying :) [16:39] hey guys, when using mail command to send mail from console, i should end with a . in a new line right? [16:39] Before, we just hooked up to my roomie's desktop which runs XP [16:40] jmoncayo: yeah [16:40] Necos: we got a Toshiba HC1600 mounted to the ceiling with a 7.1 surround system. So we watch quite a lot of HD movies in our room :P [16:40] on a separate line by itself and nothing else, yea [16:40] hahahaha alkos333 nice! [16:41] how the hell did you pay for all that? =p [16:41] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] Necos: what could be the problem for trying to end, and mail not ending [16:42] Necos: However, his desktop chokes quite a bit when it comes to h264 decoding of HD movies and my mplayer w/o CPU runtime detection is smooth like a baby's butt, so I decide to pass the control to my T60 instead. I already got the projector set up, now working on the sound. [16:43] Necos: Well, the projector was $940 with a 4000-hour light bulb, the system was my roommate's. [16:43] *sound system [16:43] geeez! $940 is more than my rent =p [16:43] Yes, it's a doozy :P [16:43] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:43] lol Necos [16:43] The bulbs are expensive. [16:43] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [16:43] :] [16:43] this computer had been working for like 6months and ls -l /bin/mail shows -rwxr-xr-x 1 root mail 82996 Jan 7 2007 mail [16:44] Necos: The projector itself was $579 [16:44] bulbs are as much as the damn projector [16:44] hmmm that's odd jmoncayo [16:44] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Necos: So the way it's going, I will need to get a new bulb in about 3 years [16:45] Necos: It's totally worth it man. The experience is amazing.. [16:45] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:45] The projector even serves as a heater during the winter.. [16:45] so here's some luck. I thought my harddrive on my server was doomed. Turns out a flute fell from the ceiling (i have no idea how this happened) and turned it off. [16:45] i already have a 32" tv =p [16:45] i've had it for like 5 yrs almost now... it works for me [16:45] Yes.. well this is like a 135" (due to space limitations, could be bigger) tv :) [16:46] Toshiba HC1600 is HD ready, too [16:46] yeah, but could you hook up your cable tv to it? lol [16:46] Nah, use a TV capture card, and then from my ThinkPad's dock station dvi to projector's hdmi [16:47] to hell with that... i want my hbo on demand movies ^^ [16:47] and since on February 17th, everything is gonna be digital, you get a 100% digital hd tv there :) [16:47] i have an analog tv, but i have cable, so no worries on my end... [16:47] i just keep on movin [16:48] I have DirecTV. Same deal. [16:48] Right, you'll have a seamless transition [16:48] Not even seamless. It's non-existant. [16:48] there is no transition lol [16:49] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:49] Nick change: r0b_ -> r0b [16:49] evern better. [16:49] only person that has a problem is my mom, who still uses rabbit ears on one of her tvs [16:49] lol [16:49] I saw OTA HD on a DLP rear projection once. It was pretty fly. [16:50] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [16:50] I also saw an SD signal OTA (using an HD channel) on the same TV. Looked like shit. [16:50] crazyfool (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:50] crazyfool (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] oh, "over the air"? what's SD? standard digital? [16:51] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Standard definition. [16:51] crazyfool (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [16:51] standard definition [16:52] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [16:52] doh [16:52] hey i think it's standard definition [16:52] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:52] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Some of the local stations use an HD channel to broadcast their SD shit when there isn't an actual HD feed, so you can see every single artifact. [16:52] oh heh [16:52] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] i'm not up on all the acronyms [16:52] ewwww [16:53] i've heard about that [16:53] Not to mention it was all crammed into a small box on the screen. [16:53] It kind of put things in perspective. [16:53] Now I just have my little 13" Sharp TV on my desk, and it suits me just fine. [16:53] lol [16:54] It's a bit smaller than my 21" monitor, but it still works. [16:54] HD is kind of a waste tho... 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[17:54] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [17:54] 2.6.28.1 is going to have epic fixes [17:55] just look at the git log so far [17:56] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [17:56] I hope one of them is "fixed the fucking at76 driver". :| [17:56] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:58] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [17:59] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:59] hello happy slackers [18:04] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.39) left irc: "Bye Bye" [18:06] nullboy, epic ? [18:06] epic? [18:06] 2.6.28.1 is going to have epic fixes [18:06] ... 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[18:58] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:59] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.201) left irc: "leaving" [18:59] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.229.202.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] hm. so, i just started playing with apache, and noticed when i connect to freenode i get two entries in the access.log a connect and post, the post comes up proxy check if i put in the ip that posted, what's that about? just out of curiosity :) [19:00] it's probably a freenode proxy checker [19:00] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-135-233.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:01] anyone knows if its possible to make pppd to reload the configuration files without losing the internet connection? [19:01] what is it that its doing [19:02] I changed some things in /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf but pppd still doesnt shows the configuration changes [19:02] c0nflict, checking to see if you're running an open proxy. [19:03] If you are, it kicks you off. [19:03] It's right in the MOTD when you connect! [19:04] i got k-lined for having a Tor proxy running [19:04] well, it does it by sending to apache? so that is something that only applies if you are running apache then [19:04] c0nflict: hwo about you reconnect and tcpdump it all instead of using the log [19:04] c0nflict, it does it by attempting to connect to your IP address on some port. [19:05] Apache is probably listening on that port, hence the log item. [19:05] you'll be able to see everything if you install wireshark and run it while connecting [19:06] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] it even specifically mentions IIS [19:07] http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies [19:11] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-71-163-13-239.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:20] Ada [19:20] PupUserbebbc9 (n=PupUserb@c-68-51-18-177.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] i live about 5 miles outside town, on the southeast of town [19:21] I have to make two computers to use the same internet IP but without a router, I will have to get an additional nic card [19:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:22] yup [19:22] dissociative: Is that supposed to be a question, or are you just telling us this for some reason? [19:22] yes [19:22] Yes? It wasn't a yes or no question... [19:23] Pig_Pen: I almost had a job in Bartlesville, at ConnocoPhillips. [19:23] sitwon (n=adam@pool-71-191-246-79.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] i worked at that refinery before [19:23] This would have been at corporate [19:23] the pc where I'm now is going to provide the internet connection with rp-pppoe, and I'm not sure which cabling norm should I use to connect both computers [19:24] dissociative: If you are connecting directly between the two machines, use a crossover [19:24] i worked at lots of refineries in the oklahoma, texas & kansas area, mostly oklahoma & kansas [19:25] FriedBob: that does not matter if this computer has another nic connected to the adsl modem? [19:26] dissociative: The computer connected to internal and external networks needs 2 NICS. [19:26] The external connection will use a straight through cable. [19:26] removed asbestos, then reinsulated pipe with a calcium based insulation then put a sheetmetal jacket over the insulation [19:26] The internal to the second PC will use a crossover, UNLESS you have a switch or hub [19:26] Pig_Pen: Sounds fun [19:26] I need to go for a decent nic for linux [19:27] voting enabled ;) [19:27] sometimes it was terrible, the pipeing was very hot (live steam or something) [19:27] mmm... I think that if the page of the manufacturer runs over IIS is a bad sign... [19:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:27] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. [19:29] I just upgraded my slackware(I think). How do I confirm it? [19:29] FriedBob: I would like a switch if it has Linux on it or other Open source known firmware [19:29] cat /etc/slackware-version usually does it [19:29] SO find one. [19:30] or make myself one... [19:30] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:30] thanks Necos [19:31] Either way. [19:31] Action: BP{k} would think that usually you *would* _know_ if you upgraded or not. [19:32] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-180.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:35] i'm just trying format a 32 bit fat sd drive.. should i use W95 FAT32 (LBA) in cfdisk? [19:36] yup, steerpike, that is what you want [19:36] thanks :) [19:38] Using cfdisk is "partitioning". Using "mkdosfs -F 32" is "formatting" steerpike ... [19:38] steerpike, if you have a windows PC or dual boot, sometimes windows is flakey about they way other OSs format FAT32 so keep a backup copy of whatever you put on there [19:38] i was trying to use mkdosfs -F 32 -v /dev/mmc.. [19:39] but cfdisk was just showing it as an unformatted partition [19:39] Pri/Log Free Space [19:39] That is usually the device. Was there no partition, like /dev/mmc1 ? [19:39] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.177.109) joined ##slackware. [19:40] the partition was.. mmcblk0p1 [19:40] but i deleted it [19:40] What a strange device [19:41] the device is.. mmcblk0 [19:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-80.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] it seems i can mount it just fine after i do mkdosfs [19:41] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:42] alright, thanks :) [19:42] i thought i was doing something wrong since cfdisk wasn't showing any fs type [19:43] point cfdisk at it: cfdis /dev/sd## [19:43] how are you going to use it? some devices can't read FAT32, only FAT12 or FAT16 [19:44] you wont need that last part: cfdisk /dev/sd# [19:44] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:44] Pig_Pen: it doesn't show as sd* :\ [19:44] hmm? [19:44] plug it in then run tail /var/log/messages [19:46] Jan 7 19:46:20 epsilon kernel: mmc0: new high speed SD card at address 0001 [19:46] jumperboy: i'm going to use it for a handheld device from which i'm going to boot linux [19:47] but nothing like: Jan 7 18:46:34 ok kernel: sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 1014784 512-byte hardware sectors (520 MB) [19:47] nope [19:47] odd [19:47] (shrug) [19:47] tribeca (n=naitso@host44-247-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [19:47] it's fine with me :) [19:47] thats what i get when i plug in a 512 meg usb thumbdrive [19:48] oh, it's not via usb [19:49] it's a secure digital memory card [19:51] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-9-129.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:51] soo... you have a card reader hardware thingy that interfaces with it? [19:51] yeah [19:51] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-9-129.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [19:52] you might need to load some kernel module that deals with that, seems like udev, or dbus & hal would catch it [19:52] yeah, if i had used a sd to usb adapter then it would have recognized it as sdXX because of the usb controller [19:53] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [19:53] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] oh, hal prevents me from booting, so i had that disabled long ago :\ [19:53] mlangdn (n=michael@host-209-214-174-12.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] slackware still blacklisting the e100 ? [19:54] i only install udev, i still dont use dbus or hal [19:54] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [19:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:55] Pig_Pen why no dbus or hal? cause udev suits fine? 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[20:33] hi Necos :) [20:33] hmm well bind ntp and openssl will get patches soon [20:34] Necos: i found out my burner was set to DVDROM booktype by default :D [20:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-157.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:37] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-72-8.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:39] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: [20:42] steerpike: oh, fun stuff [20:42] i was just mucking with avidemux to transcode a vob file >.<; [20:43] did the video, but testing to make sure it encoded right [20:43] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:44] i.e., if it works in the youtube-clone flash player we have on the school's website [20:45] _ohm (n=nava@nom19473a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:46] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] http://www.lahigh.org/apps/podcasts/show_channel.jsp?pcOwnerREC_ID=&rn=4947220 <--- the video i just encoded... lol [20:48] this is sad [20:49] th3nux3r (n=th3nux3r@202.150.88.155) joined ##slackware. [20:49] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:53] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [20:53] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:04] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-132-195.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:05] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [21:09] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[21:25] whats up SpacePlod [21:25] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:25] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-132-195.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:25] howdy override [21:26] a little to quite, don't you think? [21:26] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.174.147.4) joined ##slackware. [21:26] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.130.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:27] too quiet? [21:27] dunno...I have not been on in awhile. [21:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:27] yeah it seems, there are just a bunch of logins, and logouts [21:27] Hi nullboy [21:28] hey! [21:28] maybe we missed a party invitation! [21:28] maybe [21:29] man, I can't seem to find a newer release of x-server in my repositories. [21:29] you're right override...it's quiet. [21:29] SpacePlod: how goes it? [21:30] yeah [21:30] dimmerbold: good. Workin' hard. [21:30] Are you going to Mo.? [21:30] yes! you? [21:30] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] I'll be there. [21:31] I want to do my homework, but for some reason slackware won't let me, I'm hooked, on customizing it. [21:31] it's the first week of the first month, everyone is busy BSing their boss [21:31] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] I'm on the schedule. Look me up. We'll have a beer (or 6). [21:32] no doubt. [21:32] I see roughly three security advisories coming out soon for Slackware [21:32] beer is good [21:32] override: the same thing happens to me at work sometimes. [21:33] lol [21:33] I get distracted trying to change stuff. [21:33] One of my co-workers calls it "chasing the shiney" [21:34] I've been at it for hours now, just upgraded to 12.2, got compiz-fusion going, now I just need a good dock for kde, and to upgrade my x-server, but can't seem to find it for slackware [21:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:34] why would you want to upgrade your x-server? [21:34] can't help you there...I use XFCE when I'm on slack. [21:34] never took to KDE (yet, anyway) [21:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-141-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] I used kde when I first started out :) [21:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] ugh not this shit again. [21:35] How does inetd know which service you're requesting? Just based on the port? Is that defined somewhere? /etc/inetd.conf has no port listings in it [21:35] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-211.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] hmm I should diff my source changes to bind9 [21:36] hiptobecubic: most use the config file for said service [21:36] unless it's like ftpd or one of those [21:36] kitche, because, I was just in the compiz-fusion channel yesterday, and was informed that I should upgrade my x-server for compiz-fusion to run good, or I need to tweak my xorg.conf, and xorg.log or something, to get good performance. [21:36] kitche, i'm trying to make it so distcc is only run when i call it. that's what inetd does right? [21:37] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [21:37] it responds to the port in use by the config of the app you're using >.> [21:37] Which I did, but now I upgraded my system, and I think I should do it for x too. [21:37] hiptobecubic: look in /etc/services [21:37] Necos, how does it know where to look? [21:37] ahh [21:37] ok [21:37] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-165-184.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:37] foureyes779 (n=don@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [21:38] it knows by the port in /etc/services, as nullboy pointed out [21:38] did slackware abandon gnome or something? [21:38] ah i see. it's already defined in there [21:38] override: long time ago [21:38] override, yes? [21:39] gnome was abandoned so long ago... [21:39] sometimes i wish they'd abandon kde too lol [21:40] heh [21:40] baba-roga (n=petros@93.86.1.116) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:40] back in '05 IIRC [21:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-76.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:40] ahh, sucks, was about to get that too, but I need som dropline, and I'm not too sure if it's compatible with many tools. [21:41] Necos, why? What do you use? [21:41] xfce :D [21:41] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-190-7.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:41] +1 on XFCE [21:42] Why do a lot of the inetd.conf entries end with a repeat of the binary name? /usr/bin/nmbd nmbd [21:42] Why do a lot of the inetd.conf entries end with a repeat of the binary name? /usr/bin/smbd smbd [21:43] oh sorry didn't mean to repeat that whole line [21:43] +2 on Xfce [21:44] It says the last thing is ... but if you call sometihng without args.. such as /usr/bin/distccd do you just leave that off? [21:44] hmm, it comes with slackware by default. Because I only seem to have fluxbox, and I'm not into it that much. [21:44] ? [21:45] you should have more than fluxbox unless you disabled them during install [21:45] killing x and running startx.xfce [21:45] mgs` (n=mgs@mail.polyvalent.org) joined ##slackware. [21:45] i think it's called that.... [21:45] startx you put startxfce4 in your .xinitrc [21:46] there is an app that does it for you.. which i can't remember [21:46] xwmconfig [21:46] there it is [21:46] I'm running bittorrent and ed2k+kad plus downloading a file through http and my connection randomly drops [21:46] the first argument (argv[0]) is the name of the binary [21:46] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#X-WINDOW-SYSTEM-XWMCONFIG [21:47] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:47] nooper, oh that explains it. thanks. [21:47] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] override: see if you have an xinitrc for XFCE in /etc/X11/xinitrc [21:47] It seems that if I overload squash to the maximum my internet connection it just drops everytime [21:47] with most people, i would assume that was a sarcastic answer. its a relief being in ##slackware [21:48] yo [21:48] dissociative, mine just drops for fun. [21:48] ok, thanks. let me kill x, and try out xfce, because I remember that's what I used to run, on my ubuntu, when I had a crappy machine, that could never in a million years even run compiz [21:48] override, there's a lot you can do with xfce [21:48] hiptobecubic: I tried clamping mss and it doesnt makes difference [21:48] dissociative, i don't even know what that means. [21:48] :D [21:49] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:49] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [21:49] oh, sorry, had to run off for a second... i use openbox with no DE [21:49] : grep -i mss /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf [21:49] but DE's are lovely [21:49] RatPoison [21:49] actually i have no idea what the difference is. DE vs WM? [21:49] hiptobecubic, I don't seem to have xinitrc, but i do have xinit [21:49] why do i need a DE? [21:49] so i can have icons? [21:50] i have everything keybound [21:50] what about panels? [21:50] Necos: how on earth do you function without drop shadows?? [21:50] seriously [21:50] is there a dedicated channel for troubleshooting network performance issues? [21:50] dissociative, probably? [21:50] i use lxpanel so i can have a clock lol [21:50] I just use a DE for web browser anymore everything else is cli [21:51] /j #troubleshooting-network-performane-issues [21:51] dint werk [21:51] brilliant [21:51] until i get bored with lxpanel, it'll stay [21:51] kitche, i like watching movies and chatting on webcams and being able to click on an artist. yummy old desktops [21:51] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [21:52] Necos, no system tray? no battery indicator? [21:52] Irssi: Channel #troubleshooting-network-performane-issues is temporarily unavailable, this is normally because of netsplits. Irssi will now automatically try to rejoin back to this channel until the [21:52] join is successful. Use /RMREJOINS command if you wish to abort this. [21:52] foureyes779, file a bug report [21:52] :P [21:53] heh [21:53] what the hell do i need a battery indicator for on a desktop? [21:53] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] Necos, in case the battery dies! geez... [21:53] Action: Necos sighs [21:54] will it monitor the CMOS battery ? [21:54] hiptobecubic: fail [21:54] Necos: to check status of your cr2032 [21:54] foureyes779, haha [21:54] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [21:54] 2 points to DBAmethyst for knowing the model [21:54] Action: Necos deducts 2 points from hiptobecubic for not knowing he's on a desktop [21:55] hey now I have had to replace 4 of them in the last six months or so [21:55] and got a small stack of them in the back room [21:56] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [21:56] 500 points to hiptobecubic at the end of the book for wild disregard for the safety of others and breaking several hundred rules. 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[21:58] startx.xfce doesn't do anything [21:58] but yeah, you don't _NEED_ a DE... i've gotten by for quite sometime w/o one... i just started using lxpanel because i missed the clock on the old openbox task panel [21:59] which they took out in version 3 :( [22:00] :\|0] [22:01] going to deattach for the night [22:01] lol [22:02] :( [22:02] http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Image:Slackware_skinn3r.png <---- nice desktop, but not mine [22:02] _ohm (n=nava@nom19473a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [22:02] NaCl__ (n=NaCl@pool-71-191-30-140.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] NaCl__ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [22:02] how do I take a X screenshot? [22:03] import from imagemagick, scrot, or one of the other various tools [22:03] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] barkink (n=barkink@88.247.222.151) joined ##slackware. [22:04] mmm.. gimp? [22:04] fridim_ (n=fridim@gar13-5-88-161-23-155.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] dissociative: import -w root file or get the SBo for scrot off http://slackbuilds.org [22:04] dissociative: "man import" - like necos said...if you have imagemagick [22:04] ...nevermind [22:06] barkink (n=barkink@88.247.222.151) left irc: Client Quit [22:07] override, somehow you managed to not install the rest of the wm's apparently. [22:07] don't you have to select them during install? [22:08] hehehe [22:08] guys I'm trying to install slackware from floppy but there seem not to be any disk images on the ftp... [22:08] P4C0: kernel does not fit on floppy anymore [22:09] nullboy, humm I have floppy and network... it's an old laptop... how can I install? [22:09] usb? [22:10] older release and then upgrade [22:10] ? [22:10] by 'network' you mean just network access or network boot as well? [22:10] no, I doubt it. but when I run xwmconfig, xfce is second on the list, but my question is, if I make xfce the default, how would I go back into kde, do I type startx.kde, or do I have to run xwmconfig again, to restore kde. Or is there something that I can type, like for fluxbox, I just type flux, if I remember correctly. [22:10] no usb... i have a usb cdrom but it's not listed at boot [22:10] nooper, just network... this is old laptop [22:11] ummm, override... [22:11] you don't have to use xwmconfig if you don't want to =p [22:11] override: ever thought of just running xwmconfig again? [22:12] maybe this can work: http://www.slackware.at/data/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/etherboot/ETHERBOOT_README.TXT [22:12] P4C0: you just said you can't ethernoot [22:12] etherboot* [22:12] yeah, it's in my comment, the last part. What I'm asking is, can I setup xfce so it becomes like fluxbox, because right now, if I want to run fluxbox, I can just type flux [22:13] nullboy, yes, but this is a floppy that does the trick right? at least that's what I can read [22:13] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] P4C0: so try it and see [22:13] I don't need to run xwmconfig or anything [22:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [22:13] nullboy, I'm on it [22:14] just edit your .xinitrc? [22:15] which is all that xwmconfig does, using pre-configured .xinitrc files [22:15] if I screwed the pooch with the kernel in a new 12.2 install, is there a way I can grab it off the install cd's again? [22:15] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:15] override: you mean like just typing "startxfce4"? [22:15] briareus: yes [22:15] use an alias [22:16] override: use an alias for stuff like that [22:16] oh, because you or somebody else told me to run startx.xfce or something, which didn't do anything [22:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] you know that all the information you need is right there in front of you so if someone told you to run something you should first check it out [22:17] grep and find are stock tools.... [22:18] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [22:18] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [22:20] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) joined ##slackware. [22:22] yeah, xfce is better [22:22] override: this is my .xinitrc (because the openbox package doesn't have a startx.openbox, so far as i know): http://www.pastebin.ca/1303207 [22:23] the export lines are so i can use my japanese input, but not sure if they're needed now >.<; [22:23] oh Necos. I got it working, I just wanted to know the command for running xfce, someone. [22:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:24] sweet rawrite said it passed some boundary and when i tried it doesn't boot... why there's so many rawrite files? (RAWRITE.EXE, RAWRITE12.EXE, RAWRITE13.EXE, RAWRITENT.EXE) any ideas about their differences? [22:25] why are you using rawrite on windows? [22:25] P4C0 : when you run those, they display basic help [22:25] read it [22:25] just use winimage lol [22:25] you'd have been done already [22:25] hmm [22:30] rawrite, altho cool, is pretty arcane (but it does get the job done) [22:31] anywho, now that i'm done with this stupid dvd conversion, i'm out... peace! [22:31] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "A yawn is a silent shout." [22:32] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [22:33] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. 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[22:38] I think so [22:38] I'm actually trying to figure that out now, I had a good howto on it in my system but I cant find it, I think it was accidentally deleted [22:39] leadernux (n=leadernu@189.71.205.91) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:40] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Nick change: upyr -> [^] [22:41] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Nick change: [^] -> upyr [22:42] I only see a Linux-Howto for 2.4 kernels [22:45] you're trying to hook it up, sharing the connection? [22:47] dissociative: check out slackwiki [22:48] dissociative: http://slackwiki.org/Masquerade [22:48] you would also need to configure dnsmasq [22:49] or dhcp + bind [22:50] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [22:51] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Connection timed out [22:52] exmachina (n=exmachin@74.12.146.11) joined ##slackware. [22:52] any idea what i should set rts to in iwconfig if there's a lot of nearby, active, nodes? [22:53] EdgeX- (n=EdgeX-@CPE-58-169-241-17.wa.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:53] steerpike: but the computer has to run the pppoe connection, not the adsl modem [22:53] just set the essid to "linksys" and it will work :) heh [22:54] ammm.. [22:54] dissociative: wait, what's your setup? [22:54] can I use EXT_INTF=ppp0? [22:54] erm EXT_IF=ppp0 [22:55] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:56] the computer were I'm makes teh internet connection through rp-pppoe [22:56] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [22:57] dissociative: yes, whatever interface you have will work [22:59] dissociative: that's how i setup my wireless AP on slackware ;) [22:59] of course i needed to run hostap [22:59] _ohm (n=nava@nom19473a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:59] *hostapd rather [22:59] tangibledaydream (n=tangible@c-98-233-205-3.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("goodnight"). [23:00] lol I was thinking about using wireless instead of ethernet for this [23:00] but not sure yet [23:01] dissociative: you'll have to check if your wireless card can do Master mode though :\ [23:02] it's not as simple as ethernet [23:02] fridim_ (n=fridim@gar13-5-88-161-23-155.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:04] and how many distance can it handle? [23:04] the additional computer has to be in another room [23:04] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] dissociative: it's pretty decent.. almost as good as an actual wifi router [23:06] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] but first, you have too check if your card can handle it.. otherwise it's pointless [23:07] ralink, atheros are decent [23:09] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] is that config adhoc? [23:10] nope, Master mode > ad-hoc :) [23:11] ad-hoc can only handle 1 peer i think, and it's short range [23:17] steerpike: You are correct. ad-hoc is just one on one. [23:17] P4C0 (n=onetwo@190.141.76.51) left irc: "Leaving" [23:18] wds is one to one, adhoc is many to many [23:18] sure wish there was a reasonably priced data plan from a cell phone service [23:19] you have it backwards [23:19] Thurin1 (n=Thurin1@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:19] alisonken1home: don't i know you from #israel? [23:19] steerpike: wds requires association to a specific mac and only that mac - ad hoc means multiple computers talk to each other as peers [23:20] steerpike: nope - have never been to that one [23:20] #zipit? ^_- [23:20] ralink and atheros are chipsets or card brands? [23:20] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] dissociative: chipsets [23:21] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315041 [23:21] override (n=override@76.195.183.56) left irc: [23:22] that one has ralink.. $25 altogether [23:22] alisonken1home: Is that correct? ad-hoc mode allows multiple connections? [23:22] yep [23:22] oh yeah.. you can do a mesh setup using ad-hoc [23:23] ad-hoc is peer-to-peer [23:23] alisonken1home: So, can you bridge a wireless wan via ad-hoc? [23:23] there are other issues with bridging ad-hoc networks - if you want to bridge, there's better ways that take a little more work, but easier to maintain [23:24] alisonken1home: Well, I know you can bridge a wireless WAN via ad-hoc, but didn't know you could do it with multiple piers. [23:24] bridging would be between the wirless and the wired interfaces [23:25] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:26] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [23:27] alisonken1home: Yes, I know that bridging is from wired to wifi or wifi to wired, but can you bridge from wireless to 2 wifi clients? Or not? [23:28] no - bridging is between interfaces on the same device - you can't bridge between interfaces on different devices [23:29] well, doesn't matter, just interested to learn that ad-hoc mode is not just one to onw. [23:29] one not onw [23:32] err ad-hoc is [23:32] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-3-3.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:32] I have wifi LAN. I have wifi client bridge on a tower wired to IPcop connected via GREEN nic to a wireless switch. (And I say wireless switch but what it really is, is just a wireless AP with it's DHCP server turned off and the WAN port unused. [23:33] So I have dissabled the AP mode by simply turning off the DHCP server and not using the WAN port. [23:34] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejd245.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:34] And am receiving internet connection via the client bridge on my 70' tower. [23:34] I am installing 12.2 now yaya [23:34] On an old Dell [23:34] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [23:35] ukabin (n=ukabin@190.200.222.161) joined ##slackware. [23:36] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:36] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [23:36] I just installed 12.2 on an old 800MHz Cyrix [23:37] Runs like a charm. [23:38] nice good to hear [23:38] Mine is a 2.0G [23:38] I'm running 12.2 on a Celeron 850 MHz, a Plll 667 MHz, and my main machine a pentium D 2.8 GHz [23:39] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.232) joined ##slackware. [23:39] i got it on a dorito [23:40] lol [23:40] you win [23:40] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "I am Einstein in disguise" [23:41] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Is there any way to find out which one is the device (hda or sda) of the HDD device? [23:43] 3 fdisk -l [23:43] # fdsik -l [23:43] My PC is a P4 CPU 2.8GHz, but am on the XYL's AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ which is 1.5GHz They are both decent machines IMHO. I stay several steps behind the cutting edge of Hardware Technology, (for economy purposes). [23:43] my typing sucks [23:43] Thank you very much hitest [23:44] :-) [23:44] # fdisk -l [23:44] no problem [23:44] nice hitest [23:44] i can't run anything above slackware 11.0 on my celeron 250mhz/32mb of ram :\ [23:44] thank you [23:44] I am starting to play with minix too [23:44] We'll see how that goes [23:44] i'm thinking of doing linuxfromscratch [23:44] steerpike: Ever heard the term "Boat Anchor" [23:45] who? [23:45] steerpike: Go for it! [23:45] how is LFS a boat anchor? [23:46] usr13: what have you smoked? [23:46] chadraz (n=asdasd@189.174.143.140) joined ##slackware. [23:46] you should change your dealer. [23:46] heh [23:46] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [23:47] I did not say that LFS is a Boat Anchor. I said Go for it! [23:47] crazyfool (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Thurin1 (n=Thurin1@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] I'm all for it. LFS is awesome project. I want to do it myself. [23:47] steerpike: LFS is the best thing you ever did. [23:47] you will learn what Linux really is. [23:48] and once you learn how linux works, you can do anything on it. [23:48] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.177.109) left irc: "leaving" [23:48] I think that any linux 101 course should hinge on an LFS setup [23:48] make it do backflips accross fire [23:48] acidchild you forgot the blindfold :] [23:48] I agree, LFS is a great learning experience. [23:48] crazyfool: :-P [23:48] acidchild: but it still has a long way to go before it keeps me as warm at night as the wife does :) [23:48] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-8.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] alisonken1home: But I still would not tell the wife that you're planning an LFS project. :) [23:49] my girlfriend is learning ubuntu :-) [23:49] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] project? what project? ;) [23:50] lfs requires that you compile everything from the same machine you're planning to install it on? [23:50] no [23:50] no, when i did LFS [23:50] i used distcc [23:50] hmm [23:50] accross 12 machines :-P [23:50] dios_mio (i=test2@88.241.138.127) joined ##slackware. [23:51] hi, slackware wifi atheros tutorial¿? [23:51] LFS defines where the installed binaries, man pages, and recommended directory structure are, not how you create your software packages [23:51] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] My XYL has been using ubuntu for couple years now. She has an XP and Ubunt machine on a KVM switch. She uses XP a lot less than the Ubuntu machine. She uses VPN connections for work purposes on the XP machine. [23:51] i bet she loves you for that setup [23:51] usr13: wicked :-] [23:52] I have the same setup for her mom. (Mother-in-law). [23:52] word [23:52] They have both learned to love linux. [23:53] everytime that I plug a hauppauge wintv-go card I get random programs segfaulting on Linux+me, I used the card in windows before with the propietary drivers and never had a crash its possible that the card went faulty or wth [23:53] They both testify to the fact that it's like a brick house vs a wood siding one. [23:53] never saw an error like that [23:54] I only have used slackware with it all the time [23:54] For me, I have 3 slackware boxes on a KVM switch in the other room under my desk. I'm greedy... [23:55] I have ran memtest86+ with the card plugged in a complete test and there werent errors [23:56] wow ipkungfu made forwarding inet to my second computer from this laptop almost no config at all [23:57] mgs` (n=mgs@mail.polyvalent.org) left irc: "leaving" [23:58] If nothing segfaults then the system completely lockups or the kernel crashes when watching analog tv [23:58] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] and sometimes the card starts to trigger many irqs [23:58] What is the config to configure X [23:59] in slackware [23:59] X -configure [23:59] xorgsetup? [23:59] thanks [23:59] dissociative, i had a pvr250 and a motherboard with via chipset and i had random freezes [23:59] In my room, I ahve one slackware box with AIRONET Wireless nic bridging to the wireless NIC plugged into a 4 port hub that has 2 other Slackware PCs plugged into it and a 5 port KVM switch on it so that I have plenty of room to hook up one or 2 more PCs to work on at any given time. [23:59] I have also a via chipset [23:59] got a board with nforce and no more problems [23:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [00:00] --- Thu Jan 8 2009