[00:00] :) Teaching high school has its advantages ;-) [00:00] you might be a 'shithead', i am not [00:00] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-30-221.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:00] Action: macavity holds his breath [00:00] Considering the anti-carjacking stuff in use in South Africa, I'll bet some of this stuff is actually in use [00:00] C_S: Right; we've already established your status. [00:01] ? [00:01] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [00:01] oh man I thought a ban was coming on. [00:01] darn and me about to get the popcorn out [00:01] You know i have read that line once before.. but by a different nick. [00:01] You're just rude and disrespectful, but you know exactly how far to push it, for the most part. IOW, you're annoying but harmless. [00:01] "you might be a shithead, i am not"... hrmm. wonder who's hiding behind the new nick. [00:02] it is CRAZY_SCIENTIST here [00:02] ah no, i think we have a "unique" here.. he didn't try to provoke a situation [00:02] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [00:02] he just didnt like that i didnt like that he sniffed at my bud without my sayso [00:02] be careful with the accusations [00:03] Oh, I forgot unjustified self-righteousness. [00:03] C_S: "a unique" as in, not some previously known idiot who changes ident/nicks to play pranks on us [00:03] how did you conclude that? [00:03] rworkman: WHOA, them be big words for the youngin. [00:03] i do not change ncknames [00:03] i know [00:03] i was asked to use lower case letters [00:04] but i think this whole thing is a temptest in a teapot [00:04] and i shortened it [00:04] lots of people dont like being sniffed. know you know. end of storry. [00:04] Yeah, I'll stop provoking too. :) [00:04] rworkman: good :-) [00:04] you mean CTCP requests [00:05] not sniffing [00:05] C_S: same thing.. information gathering [00:05] no it is not the same [00:05] C_S: the first step in any exploit is to find a target [00:05] are you assuming that i am looking for vulnerable software to exploit? [00:05] C_S: then port scanning is no different.. in both cases you do technically just ask politely for the info, and the host gives it to you [00:06] hi there.. guys, i'm trying to use the blueetoth from an Acer Aspire 5920 ... lsusb shows the device, but hcitool dev does not show any device [00:06] C_S: no, but i cant tell if you are or if you are not [00:06] Is anyone using haskell in 64-current? I want to try it out but the SBo script is a (complicated looking) repackaged i386 binary package [00:06] C_S: thats the point.. [00:06] Port scanning is not a tool native to irc though. [00:06] hcitool scan say that device is not avaible [00:06] ctcp scanning is, though [00:06] CTCP requests are not packet analysis [00:07] Arenics (n=Arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [00:07] no one said anything about packets [00:07] ihe said sniffing [00:07] he* [00:07] i didn't say sniffing [00:07] he not you [00:07] you can label it the way like.. i just dont want people prying info out of my box [00:07] you can certainly use ctcp to gain info in IRC [00:07] i label it how it is not how i like [00:07] bottom line is to not do it [00:08] you'll find yourself banned [00:08] yes but that is not sniffing [00:08] you argue too much and don't listen [00:08] and the technicalities between asking my IRC client something or asking my TCP stack something ammounts to exactly the same in my book... and i dont care if your CS professor agues otherwise [00:08] i read everything you say [00:08] but you aren't listening [00:08] The point is: this isn't a debate. You can't "win" this. [00:08] unixfool: greetings, btw :) [00:09] ding ging [00:09] ding, that is [00:09] heya man [00:09] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.68.126) left irc: "Leaving" [00:09] if everyone learns what is true what is not, everyone 'wins' [00:09] and what* [00:09] oh good thing I popped a 55gal drum of popcorn this is getting interesting again. someone pass the butter. [00:10] Action: fire|bird passes some butter to panzer. :P [00:10] 55gal, wow. [00:10] macavity: did you start breathing again? [00:10] 55 gal of butter [00:10] hehe [00:10] unixfool: howdy :) [00:10] sniffing = packet analysis, CTCP requests request information by the IRC client [00:10] BP{k}: i never stopped :P [00:10] Hey unixfool, how's it going? [00:10] ew...one gal of butter per pound of popcorn [00:10] lol [00:10] haha [00:10] hiya BP{k} and fire|bird [00:11] C_S: if you insist... [00:11] i do no analyse packets to obtain that info [00:11] Need som salt too! [00:11] or, per gal of popcorn [00:11] not* [00:11] one gal and a stick of butter .. party time. [00:11] C_S, pls just drop it! [00:11] BP{k}: :) [00:11] Do not piss him off [00:11] C_S: in that case i dont like to be neither port scanned, sniffed or CTCP requested, grapped on the arse, or kissed by girls i havent picked myself [00:11] He's killed for less [00:11] C_S: clear? [00:11] yes [00:11] troop leader to raven. raven come in please. troop leader calling raven, talk to me, panzer. [00:12] popcorn sounds good, actually...midnight snack before 5 hrs sleep [00:12] unixfool: ask panzer nicely, he's got plenty to share. [00:12] Oh, we had kettlecorn at the 4th of july concert we went to this weekend. That stuff is really good. [00:12] pft popcorn... midnight snack. what are you a wuss? :P [00:12] Action: rworkman just finished up some chips and salsa + beer :) [00:12] hehe...looks like he can spare quite a bit [00:12] so please, next time someone tries to drive a point into your brain, stop bitching about technicalities, 'cause it aint gonna make your e-penis look any bigger ;-) [00:12] your lifestyle is not very healthy :P [00:12] that's a recipe for the "farts" rworkman [00:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettle_corn [00:13] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:13] Dominian: andI *love* that. :) [00:13] Action: panzer rattles antler's antlers [00:13] mmmm kettle korn [00:13] rworkman: Yeah I'm sure $wife doesn't though hehe [00:13] DUTCHOVEN! [00:13] *smack* [00:13] Dominian: HAHAHAHAA [00:13] hahaha [00:13] who told you that technicalities do not matter? [00:13] She *hates* that. [00:13] hehe [00:13] $WIFE hates the dutch oven. [00:13] rworkman: but we do it to them anyway [00:13] C_S: they do matter.. in their right place and right time [00:13] It's a guy thing. [00:13] and the dutch shower [00:13] and they still love us [00:13] C_S: this was neither :-) [00:13] agentc0re: o.O [00:13] agentc0re: eww. [00:13] why do you say that? [00:13] I really don't wanna know... [00:14] the warm water makes it 10x worse. [00:14] ohhhh [00:14] Something about water makes a fart much more horrible. [00:14] never mind.. i rest my case [00:14] you know that Zombie's song, Let it linger? ;) [00:14] Yeah farting in a humid bathroom is a really bad idea [00:14] I think it's just called Linger actually. [00:14] agentc0re: wasn't that the Cranberries? [00:14] Dominian: "the voice of experience"? ;) [00:14] or Ace of Base? [00:14] rworkman: Yup, i'm all sorts of fsck'd up. [00:14] Yeah.. cranberries [00:14] BP{k}: you know it [00:15] lol ace of base. rworkman saw the sign. [00:15] agentc0re: oh, do you want to form a club? [00:15] Cranberries. Zombie is another song of theirs.. [00:15] Band name /fail! [00:15] Action: rworkman goes back to work on SBo stuff. antler :) [00:15] antler++ [00:15] macavity: Hehe, sure. :) [00:15] darn and me about out of popcorn. well the show died [00:17] panzer: eh, it was one of those no name shows anyway, could you really expect much to begin with? :P [00:17] a guy eating popcorn would be good friends with a guy that owns a cat. [00:17] antler: o_O [00:17] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:17] agentc0re: Oh? [00:18] :P [00:18] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:18] do any of you have children? [00:19] i have 3 [00:19] huh.. noobfarm.org gets referrals from facebook.. wth [00:19] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:19] http://www.sonnyradio.com/meetings.jpg [00:19] age of the oldest one? [00:19] hehe :D [00:19] 10 [00:20] how many years you are married? [00:20] "too long" [00:20] Action: antler dims the lights. [00:20] enough to have a 10 yr old :) [00:20] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:20] hah [00:20] thumbs_ (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:20] where did you meet your wife? [00:21] Deliverance [00:21] His [her] name as Bubba.. and he [she] had a purty mouth [00:21] in the military [00:21] Dominian, lol [00:21] and squeeled like a pig [00:21] hah [00:21] you were a soldier? [00:21] that movie is fucked up [00:22] Action: panzer puts on the music [00:22] yep [00:22] we both were [00:22] special forces? [00:22] and now we're both vets [00:22] women can't be SF [00:22] Action: Dominian hears banjos... [00:22] we were both intelligence [00:23] Heh, that reminds me of a Bloodhound Gang song "A Lap Dance is So much better if the stripper is cryin" [00:23] ok, i think its bedtime [00:23] veterinarian? [00:23] Action: unixfool changes 'cryin' to 'wet' [00:23] lol [00:23] lol [00:23] or veteran? [00:23] dear lord [00:24] veteran [00:24] why are you so curious about stuff like that [00:24] you must be bored to all hell [00:24] now she is a housewife and you are only working? [00:24] .... [00:24] unixfool: He works for the Census Bureau [00:24] there are many good books to read [00:24] LOL [00:24] no i like listening to others talk about their lives [00:24] she's what she wants to be...that's what happens when you retire with 20 yrs of service [00:25] C_S: lack one of your own? ;) [00:25] Dominian: oh no, they've released them onto the interwebs now. :P [00:25] no [00:25] fire|bird: not good [00:25] you ever go camping? [00:25] or else i would be dead [00:25] Dominian: not at all. :) [00:25] do you light a fire? [00:25] me? [00:25] unixfool: I think you and I have been down this road before... But bet it was when i had been drinking.. :P What branch? [00:25] Do you cook marshmellows on that fire? [00:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] agentc0re: army [00:25] Dominian: What color is fire? [00:26] agentc0re: depends if you have your eyes shut or not [00:26] agentc0re: that depends on whatever you are on LSD or mescaline :P [00:26] We're in BAT COUNTRY! [00:26] most of the times the flames, not fires, are orange [00:26] it was blue on her leg. yellow about three inches above her leg [00:26] did you see the size of that chicken? [00:26] heh [00:27] twolf: i dont think that was a chicken [00:27] whoah! over my head.... what movie is this from? [00:27] panzer, what is 'it'? [00:27] twolf: chickens dont have shotguns do thay? [00:27] the flames. [00:27] young guns [00:27] oh, young guns [00:27] unixfool, now you work as a software engineer? [00:27] oh [00:27] lol [00:27] macavity: depends if they're redneck chickens. :P [00:27] no, IT security consultant [00:27] kinda what happens when one rubs alcohol on the wife's legs and lights it [00:27] twolf: is that with that lou-diamond-la-bamba guy? [00:28] fire|bird: i thought redneck chickens had M60s? [00:28] antler: yep, they get into some peyote [00:28] do you go to security conferences? [00:28] macavity: they do [00:28] Yeah.. unixfool goes in and says "What's your password?" 1234 "what are you a moron?" [00:28] nope, but some of my peers do [00:28] why not? [00:28] panzer: Which way to go to bush to forest fire though. [00:28] panzer: usually with steel core amo, right? [00:28] s/which/quick [00:28] unixfool: Still got the big truck? [00:28] the special ones have M40A3's [00:28] twolf: ah [00:28] macavity: eh, depends on which neighborhood they live in. :P [00:29] roger [00:29] C_S, i don't need to. [00:29] agentc0re: this fire was in a house with a lady straped to a board. come on no forest needed. [00:29] ok rather on the lady straped to the board. [00:29] Dominian, yeah [00:29] you began working as an IT security consultant after you retired from the military? [00:29] panzer: now we are talking :P [00:29] panzer: No, her bush to her forest fire.. [00:29] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [00:29] C_S: no he worked at a zoo [00:29] looking for something different, still, but trying to get it paid off before i get something else [00:29] ya know.. the one south of the equator? [00:30] agentc0re: shaved. [00:30] unixfool: I know the feeling [00:30] unixfool: I wanna see you drivin' a smart car :D [00:30] the new rams are NICE [00:30] there was no bush none at all. [00:30] lol [00:30] they aren't cheap, tho [00:30] unixfool: eh... I'd rather go for an F150 [00:30] joke /fail [00:30] I think I'm done with Dodge for a while [00:30] lol [00:30] yeah, same here [00:30] unixfool, how many vehicles do you own? [00:30] unixfool: rear break seal went out on it last week [00:30] dodge.gov [00:31] unixfool: haha yeah.. [00:31] C_S: six [00:31] well actually dodge.fiat.it ;P [00:31] hehe [00:31] gm.gov [00:31] unixfool: but the F150's are really sweet [00:31] panzer, how old are you? [00:31] yea pretty much gm.gov [00:31] and with all the damn incentives going on... [00:31] C_S: 42 [00:31] unixfool: both of our trucks qualify for the "gas guzzler" program :D [00:32] what is your education? [00:32] yeah [00:32] uni [00:32] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-30-221.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] i wouldnt mind one of the big Honda Civic Coupé 1.8i VTech [00:32] dunno what i'm gonna get next [00:32] area of study? [00:32] ME [00:32] not a truck, though [00:32] ME? [00:32] yes ME [00:32] what does ME mean? [00:32] unixfool: Well the newer F150s get like 24 mpg in town [00:32] Mechanical Eng? [00:32] oh [00:33] i cant spell "engeneer" [00:33] or Master of Elanphantitis [00:33] macavity, clearly :D [00:33] elephant [00:33] engineer? [00:33] did you study for a minor degree also? [00:33] macavity: yes [00:33] Millennium Edition [00:33] i'm probably going to go import this time [00:33] ah, thats rediculous.. nothing like french at all [00:33] hiptobecubic++ [00:33] hiptobecubic, hahaha [00:33] ingeneur [00:33] ;) [00:33] :P [00:33] unixfool: yeah... toyota tundraas are nice [00:33] MSME FTW! [00:34] yea not the other ME. I don't like dealing with dead bodies that much [00:34] unixfool: I just can't see life without a pickup.... I tried that once.. hated it [00:34] MicroSoft MicroEdition? [00:34] featuring the new MicroStability(TM) technology [00:34] Action: hiptobecubic sold his jeep and bought a 1987 Honda Aero 50nb [00:34] you wanted to become a mechanical engineer since you were a child? [00:34] i'll keep the truck, most likely, for the heavy tasks [00:35] macavity: So small you can't even tell it's there, or doing anything useful! :P [00:35] C_S: no I took fine arts and someone blew up the building I was in [00:35] you still draw? [00:35] agentc0re: oh, you will know it is there.. despite computers dont need oxygene, this can turn your computer blue in the face all the same :P [00:35] agentc0re: yeah, but you can control it via the M$MicroManager [00:35] lol [00:35] unixfool: yea it would make a fine technical. mount a 50cal on it. [00:35] panzer++ [00:35] lol [00:36] panzer: that sounds too interesting to be real [00:36] antler: what you have not seen third world countries with the big guns mounted in the bed? [00:36] where the trucks have big guns mounted in the bed? [00:37] should the citizens of usa have the right to bear arms? [00:37] panzer: no, that you left fine arts for me because the building was blown up [00:37] C_S: yes [00:37] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:37] no me. I had nothing to do with it. [00:37] not me. [00:37] C_S: if there were a very limited number of unregistered hand guns in the wild, i would say no [00:38] ? [00:38] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:38] C_S, why do you care...you're not a US citizen [00:38] i am [00:38] C_S: meaning, the situation is hopeless now.. if you ban guns in the homes, everyone is going to be robbed tomorrow [00:38] i thought you said you were greek [00:38] i was born in the us [00:38] but i am greek [00:38] in greece [00:39] i am a greek that is an american citizen [00:39] and that you didn't speak english very well [00:39] C_S: where i live, guns are quite rare, and it would be really nice if it stayed that way, so people cant get hand guns here [00:39] I exercise my right to bear arms. [00:39] i improve every day [00:39] yea so do I [00:39] i learned english mostly on my own [00:39] panzer: well i guessed that. what i meant to say was that you chose a discipline that involved building becuse your classroom was destroyed seems too interesting to be true (to me). i thought you were joking about it. [00:40] where do you live? [00:40] Denmark [00:40] for someone who's a citizen, you've been asking odd questions today [00:40] unixfool: technically speaking, he didnt say he was a resident citizen [00:40] someone has to build better buildings. [00:40] a citizen that has not been in the us since 2002 [00:41] C_S: why? [00:41] no, but his comments implied he wasn't [00:41] his mother moved back to grece? [00:41] and his demeanor [00:41] because i live in greece [00:41] i guess [00:41] why live in greece? [00:41] why live in the US?!? [00:41] C_S: well that explains it! [00:41] why ask questions?!? [00:41] lol [00:42] i will have to ask my parents, i do not know [00:42] C_S: how old are you? [00:42] pprobably because my father wanted to live and work here [00:42] 23 [00:42] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:42] ok [00:42] probably* [00:42] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] and you don't have a say in this? [00:42] then 7 years actually is something in terms of language [00:43] panzer: do the quick math here.. he was 16 [00:43] i was there to see relatives for the summer [00:43] 1998 and 2002 [00:43] oh.. so you were only like 12 when you moved off permanently? [00:43] only the first few years after my birth i lived there [00:44] maybe 3 years old [00:44] macavity: nm. [00:44] ah [00:44] well.. you have a free pass in to the US [00:44] i will never be let in in my life [00:44] .. not that i intend to go anyways [00:44] oh, why's that? [00:44] (not allowed) [00:44] there many opportunities in the usa for people that are willing to work hard [00:44] are* [00:45] you should probably study US history and US government since you've so many questions about US laws and govt [00:45] i will [00:45] macavity: ^^ [00:46] i need a GED also [00:46] a) when i was 14 i was suspected of having bombed a phone booth (it wasnt be, but it bloody well could have been) b) I am a member of a socialist party. c) I have shitty military papers covering mostly everything from drugs to insubortanation [00:46] ... oh, and they gave me advanced demolition before i got busted [00:47] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-73-117.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:47] advanced demolition? [00:47] so, who belives uncle sam is going to let in a commi basterd who knows how to make bombs, and who is known to disregard authority? [00:47] ok, i'm out...gotta get up at 5:30ish [00:47] i want to work as an actor [00:47] later [00:47] C_S: i was in the armoured artillery.. they do tend to teach people a think or two about how to blow shit up :P [00:47] unixfool: cya [00:48] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:48] macavity: cool [00:48] once i have enough money i will look for private teachers and classes [00:48] macavity, hehe [00:48] conscription is mandatory here in greece [00:48] antler: the reason why i got selected for the advanced demolition and pyrotechnics training was because they observed a certain aptitude in the field :P [00:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-171.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] antler: as in, i had a certain amount of beforehand knowledge (no, dont ask) [00:49] macavity: of course not. they teach that stuff in school [00:49] actually they do.. if you are bright enough to see through the veil [00:50] macavity: hahah to some, piano keys make sense; to others, how to blow shit up. [00:50] makes no diff how you knew :P [00:50] macavity, www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis [00:50] antler: and to some, it makes sense to rig a piano key to blow something up. :) [00:51] antler: i was an A student in math, chemistry and physics.. lets just say i forgot to pay attention in art class :P [00:51] also the embassy might have loterries for green cards in your country [00:51] fire|bird: how bugs bunny rigged the piano to blow up yosemite sam [00:51] lotteries* [00:51] antler: and the ACME company made great stuff that blew up [00:52] antler: hahaha, yeah, like that. :) [00:52] macavity, what would you do f you were in the usa now? [00:52] if* [00:52] C_S: catch a plane home? [00:52] panzer: hahaha wile e. coyote's biggest customer [00:52] you were about living there? [00:52] joking* [00:53] C_S: i wouldn't.. i refuse to live in a country that is so in humane as to "out source" medical care to insurance companies [00:53] *inhumane [00:53] antler: wec was ACME's biggest customer yes [00:53] public health care is important [00:54] it is a must to be called a civilization by modern standards [00:54] macavity is like a bull when he sees red? [00:54] antler: worse :P [00:54] user8902 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] then it's the bulls that are communists! [00:55] antler: i am the self proclaimed advocate of all that is good and just :P [00:55] what does have to do with public health care? [00:55] antler: like.. Free Software and Universial Helthcare [00:55] communism* [00:56] C_S: don't communist get sick? [00:56] macavity: why not free everything? [00:56] antler: Free as in Freedom [00:56] yes but what does that have to do with public health care? [00:57] because it would not be sustainable [00:57] C_S: that i think both are too important areas to let greedy merchants get in on [00:57] the population must decrease [00:57] macavity: no one is really free, friend. [00:57] you are [00:57] dizbin (n=dizbin@71.202.109.152) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:57] antler: no, but some are more bend over than others [00:58] macavity: very true, indeed. [00:58] user8902 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:58] you choose to live as you live [00:58] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:58] chose* [00:58] antler: and i maintain that a little less bend over than yesterday is a cause worth fighting [00:58] C_S: that is, again, a technicality [00:58] how? [00:58] C_S: technically i only choose to breath [00:59] LOL [00:59] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] macavity: why do you fight a losing battle? [00:59] C_S: however, if i stop for long enough, suddenly the motivation is going to be so strong that it doesnt feel like a choise any more [00:59] you could live in the forest and pay no one [00:59] perhaps you don't see that you're losing. [00:59] antler: i am not fighting a losing battle :P [01:00] antler: since i joined the FSF we have gone up 650% in annually paying Associate Members [01:00] antler: the GNU project is stronger than it ever was [01:01] macavity, are you willing to do itt? [01:01] it* [01:01] antler: and the SF (the political party i am a member of here in Denmark) became the 4th largest party in Denmark on last election [01:01] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:01] C_S: to do what? [01:01] macavity: these alleged victories don't constitute winning the battle. [01:01] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. [01:01] live without being close to populated areas [01:01] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [01:01] C_S: why would i want to move? [01:02] to be completely independent [01:02] you said you are not free [01:02] uhm, please re-read all that i said [01:02] how can someone become free then? [01:02] C_S: you're greek? [01:02] yes [01:03] antler: i am a lot closer too a fully free operating system now than i was a year ago [01:03] C_S: because socrates talked a lot of shit, too [01:03] C_S: that is, again, a technicality [01:03] what do you mean? [01:03] C_S: i explained that on the line just after [01:03] C_S: the one about holding your breath [01:04] C_S: the philosophical definition of "free" does not hold in the real world [01:04] breathing is essential to remain alive being free is not [01:04] if i love someone i am not "free" [01:05] you are loyal to someone with your free will [01:05] but naturally that is not the kind of freedom i am talking about [01:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] talked a lot of shit? what do you mean? [01:06] i am plainly talking about not being fscked in the arse by greedy idiots who think they should deside what i want to do or not [01:06] are you saying tat he was a bad thinker? [01:06] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [01:06] what kind of decisions are we talking about? [01:06] socrates did say some utter non-sense about the origin of words [01:06] .. that is, if you happen to be non-religious [01:07] philosophy questions everything [01:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] nheco (n=nheco_nh@200-96-102-213.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:07] philosophers question* [01:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:08] C_S: like the little annoying peice of crap in my machine called iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode [01:08] (2009-07-06 22:02:32) Arenics: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to antiwire) from Arenics [01:08] What do you want? [01:08] how do you define freedom? [01:08] that is the will of Intel that i should not do what i want with the hardware i bought [01:09] that is not my will.. i am not free to do what i want with my own hardware [01:09] you can buy from another manufacturer [01:09] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:09] no one forced you to buy from intel [01:09] C_S: exactly [01:09] i just didnt know at the time [01:09] now you do [01:09] i looked it up in the kernel tree and thought that i would be golden [01:10] you are better informed now [01:10] C_S: i'm saying that he was poisoned for talking much about nothing :D [01:10] as soon as i get my hands on an atheros based miniPCIe wifi card, trust me, i will replace it [01:10] are you implying that philosophy is useless? [01:11] not always.. James Berkly got some things right [01:11] [ in bed ] [01:11] at least he got us rid of the Aristotel world view [01:12] C_S: not at all, but "i am a living man, i've got work to do" --peter tosh [01:12] did you take everything under consideration about why they thought what they thought? [01:12] yes [01:13] macavity: actually, copernicus and galileo did before him [01:13] antler: they proved the mechanical world view wrong.. but not "the realm of ideas" that was still being clung to at the time [01:14] macavity: no, something more modest than that: geocentric theory is false. [01:14] C_S: i happen to have a minor in philosophy, so it is not just trash talk :P [01:14] macavity: for some, though, the sun is god. [01:15] antler: one thing is sure though.. without it we would not live long [01:15] you were the best student ? [01:15] and with that, many world views fell like dominos. [01:16] then the religious point of view was important to his reasoning [01:16] C_S: i was a little older then the rest of the class, so lets just say that i was a little less inclided to just learning by heart [01:16] learning by heart? [01:16] antler: yup [01:16] C_S: "memorizing" [01:16] they teach critical thinking [01:17] thats funny... i had the notion they thought how others have applied critical thinking [01:17] but never really asked any hard questions that cant be looked up in a book [01:18] if your arguments contain fallacies you are not an excellent critical thinker or you have something to gain [01:18] Action: macavity looks up fallacies [01:19] C_S: take heed, padwan, "don't concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all that heavenly glory." --bruce lee [01:19] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-71.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] i concetrate on the big picture and each detail in it [01:19] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:20] i take everything under consideration [01:20] ive learned that i reach better results if i go by gut feeling [01:20] you're awe inspiring :D [01:20] C_S: ^^ [01:20] instict is important too [01:20] Action: antiwire throws up in his mouth [01:21] lol [01:21] for survival situations [01:21] we are talking about the difficult to answer questions [01:22] you mean, like "is she willing to do me?" [01:22] i only need precise definitions in mathematicle things [01:22] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:22] that is what a teenager that is horny would ask [01:22] 'is she in to fetishes similar to mine?' [01:22] other than that it is more of a "do i feel comfortable with this" kind of thing [01:22] straterra: now we are talking [01:22] 'does she know what chloroform is?' [01:23] lol [01:23] who cares if she does [01:23] if not..she'll learn [01:23] the really big question: will she run if i unchain her? [01:23] so, how can someone become free macavity ? [01:23] it puts the rag on its face, or else i get another taste [01:24] C_S: if they feel free they probably are [01:24] individual truth [01:24] objectively? [01:25] objectivity is no good in purely emotional matters [01:25] the real question is..call the next day or not? [01:25] Action: antler takes out his pen and pad. [01:25] i cant be objective about things that are not tied to logic alone [01:25] .. i am not Vulkan :P [01:25] furious scribbling can be heard in the background. [01:25] anondaemon (n=Owner@adsl-76-227-18-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:25] become vulcan :P [01:25] no [01:25] macavity, you aren't? damn [01:25] and do kirk [01:25] i've tried that [01:26] he's pimp [01:26] and it did not work out [01:26] he's knocked up more aliens than anyone else [01:26] people who attempt to become like the vulkans have another name: [01:26] emotion must not obstruct rational thinking [01:26] Control Freaks [01:26] not women [01:26] C_S: that is another matter [01:26] macavity, i thought they were called stoics [01:27] show me a vulcan like woman and I'll show you a transvestite [01:27] that is also important [01:27] fadein_ (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] come on be honest... who here puts the pussy on a pedestal? [01:27] C_S: but asking if your feeling of freedom is rational or not is somewhat oxymoronic [01:27] \o\ [01:27] too much of a climb to get it then [01:27] Not me, if I put pussy on a pedestal I wouldn't be able to step all over it [01:28] rofl [01:28] brklynRednek: probably, i am faring into an area where my english skills leave something to be desired [01:28] freedom is not a feeling [01:28] O_O [01:28] yeah it is [01:28] it is a fact or it is not [01:28] C_S, but the definition of freedom is subjective [01:28] last time i blasted down the free way on a fast motor cycle, i TELL you i *felt* the freedom [01:28] are you free? why? [01:28] because i *feel* free [01:29] it is not a rational thing [01:29] you felt good not freedom [01:29] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [01:29] damn fraking me, i could feed the troll if i've learned my english school lessons :p [01:29] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] my instinct tells me that i am free.. my rational thinking tells me that eventually the tank will be empty, and i need money to refill it, and i need a job to earn money [01:29] how it is not rational? [01:29] Emeaudroide: Fight him with your feelings! [01:30] "be human !" [01:30] eek! [01:30] and "having" to go to work is not being free :P [01:30] fadein_ (n=fadein@c-98-202-157-225.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [01:30] no you will rely on critical thinking not instict [01:30] hehe, no matter if i do not :;) [01:30] macavity, it can, you just need to enjoy your work :) [01:31] someone is not free if he has to work? [01:31] Emeaudroide: then "having to" becomes "wanting to" [01:31] do you understand why you are working? [01:31] Every morning i go to work with an happy face :) [01:31] Emeaudroide: enjoy :-) [01:32] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] erf, frak me, i'm not able to find appropriate words [01:32] Action: antler gives Emeaudroide the universal translater [01:32] the funny thing is that right now i am actually unimplyed.. and that feels pretty damn tied up [01:32] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-171.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:32] because you have to pay someone [01:33] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-64.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] I think that we interrupt and define meanings/words/feelings how we want to. Who are you to tell some one other wise that it's not? [01:33] work can be kind of pretty [01:33] macavity: don't worry, in your state, someone will take care of you :D [01:33] becuase i would like a new pair of shoes.. so the coice is between new shoes and shitty food.. or good food and no shoes [01:33] antler: i know [01:33] saying that our not free because you have toi work is stupid [01:33] you have to "have to" [01:33] antler: i am *not* complaining about the level of wellfare here [01:33] Most people can't be totally free [01:34] Emeaudroide: exactly [01:34] there mind can't be rational if they do [01:34] wisful thinking again agentc0re [01:34] and that was my original statement.. people are free if they think/feel they are [01:34] they become human and we can see the result nowaday [01:34] subjectiveness has no place in critical thinking [01:35] C_S: right.. but it is just not everything that can be thought of critically [01:35] yes, but that does not mean that what they think is true, is [01:35] give me an example [01:35] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] C_S: i dont like purple [01:35] cool, i feed the troll without understanding it, pretty cool :))) [01:35] why? [01:35] C_S: i like green and dark blue though [01:35] C_S: throw your ass in a third wolrd country. see how well your critical thinking serves you. [01:36] C_S: thats the funniest thing.. i dont have the slightest clue [01:36] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [01:36] C_S: and what is more funny... i dont even want to find out [01:36] antler, what do you mean? [01:36] you refuse to learn why [01:36] C_S: the difference between you and me is age, not answers. [01:37] or you're not able to handle the answer ? [01:37] antler: funny.. i was about to go down the same lane [01:37] antler: then i remembered how i would have taken that when i was 23 [01:37] age has nothing to do with rational thinking [01:37] antler: "mv * /dev/null" is probably the right answer :P [01:37] it is is rational or it is not [01:37] C_S: yes it does. [01:37] "all i know now it that i don't know anything" [01:37] macavity: it's definitely the weed talking tonight. [01:37] C_S, yeah, drop yourself in a 3rd world country...your reflexes will serve you better than your logic [01:37] C_S: i beg to differ [01:38] C_S: age teaches you when to apply rational thinking, and when to just let go and be a balanced human with all that encompasses [01:38] C_S: i have been down the lane you are exploring now [01:39] C_S: and my adice is: keep looking till you find the answer [01:39] C_S, it clearly do, you're rational thinking is influenced by your experiments, your answer and mostly your actual questions. Hu, it's not rational isn't it ? But yep, we call that rational thinking [01:39] why would i go to that country? to do what? [01:39] *advice [01:39] how can you expect that you're thinking is not influenced by your subconcient ? [01:40] you can become more aware [01:40] Emeaudroide: give him time.. he will see through the veil soon enough [01:40] think deeply, to the bottom [01:40] C_S: sometimes to become more aware you have to let go more... not grap tighter [01:40] yep, but you'll never base your judgement only on facts [01:41] never saw someone like that, hope there's noone who can :) [01:41] far far from it [01:41] Emeaudroide: oh, those are called "machines" [01:41] i wonder what fact kirk based his decision on when he decided to pork that green woman thingy [01:41] my judgement is objective because i think with data and knowledge [01:41] else i probably call him droid :) [01:41] hehe :)) [01:42] Emeaudroide: technically, gears working eachother is the perfect exable of "flawless logic thinking" [01:42] C_Tux, here? [01:42] rworkman, around? [01:43] C_S: and what if you see someone tramp on a kitten? [01:43] C_S, wow, impressive, how's your mom today ? [01:43] C_S: what happens to the objectiveness then? [01:43] 3hl/min nice one ! [01:43] i would stop him and i would ask him ask [01:44] -ask| why he wants to hurt the kitten [01:44] can we get a little broarder definition of "stop him"? [01:44] push him for example [01:44] and why would that be a rational thing to do? [01:44] C_S: heh on the off chance you're not playin around, you're 23... try to have a little physical fun in your life :) [01:45] i mean, a kitten is, rationally, a completely insignifigantly little being.. like a fly or some other bug [01:45] it is far down the food chain, it is in no danger of becomming extinct [01:45] yes but there must be a good reason to hurt it [01:45] C_S, your answer was influenced too, by the context of the discussion we can assume that your pretty rational mind will take care to be logical in your answer and to "adjust" them to prove your point [01:46] C_S: but if you see someone swat a fly, would you stop them and ask them why they want to hurt the fly? [01:46] what will be accomplished by tramping it? [01:46] the kitten could belong to someone [01:46] most flies do not belong to anyone [01:46] lol /me changes slackware topic to "flies: friends or foes" [01:47] so you would only do it because it might hurt someone *elses* feelings? [01:47] why does this kitten have to belong to anyone? [01:47] we have a couple down the yard that does not belong to anyone [01:47] because i do not care about myself only [01:47] robotic (n=brian@ip98-182-27-242.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] nice args macav*ty :))) [01:48] and if i see someone try to harm them i WILL hurt them [01:48] C_S, it's the most logical thing imo [01:48] not out of rational thinking, but because it feels right [01:48] macavity: Heh, i was just going to say that. [01:48] <|alisonken1churc> does it show up when you type "lsusb"?Ken? [01:48] "macavity sacrifices life for fly" [01:49] You feel that you should protect them, your rational thought is to beat the person doing the harm to a pulp. [01:49] antler: no way.. im the kind of guy who uses a cheep deodorant and a lighter to deal with flies [01:49] agentc0re: exactly [01:49] well, kind of interesting discussion but i "have to" work :) [01:49] you were nurtured in a way that makes you think emotionally [01:49] agentc0re: i do, for no apparent good reason, feel connected to the little critters [01:49] Enjoy your rational day :) [01:50] C_S: no, it is an aquired taste [01:50] thought is not taste [01:50] macavity: I would agree, and it increases with age. [01:50] C_S: as i said, ive been down the lane that you are exploring now.. and it just didnt work out for me [01:51] Action: antler plays the violin. [01:51] why did you give up? [01:51] agentc0re: exactly.. life feels empty without a certain amount of "irationality" [01:51] you can be rational and have fun [01:51] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [01:51] Because he grew up and became wiser with his age. [01:51] rational and fun? have you seen vulcans have sex? [01:51] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:51] C_S: because it occured to me that some of the most rational beings ive met were also the most cold and calculating sociopaths ive met [01:52] antler, ?? [01:52] if he became wiser can he answer the question? [01:52] Scissor me timbers! [01:52] you can't be rational and feel all feelings :) [01:52] C_S: knowing when to switch off the brain and switch on the "heart" (or vice verca, depending on your original configuration) is what i would call "wisdome" [01:52] irrationality is kind of goodness is specials contexts [01:53] C_S: and no, fun is not part of that equation [01:53] mohaa: ?? [01:53] i am talking about justification [01:53] C_S: however, "passion" is [01:53] why would you stop a man from tramping a kitten? [01:53] Beeing "sensible" and rationally, in other words, have a kind of mind process balancing [01:54] it's pretty cool to choice when to be rational and when to feel :)=~ [01:54] mind process balancing? [01:54] rational and fun? have you seen vulcans have sex? <<< are you okay :°D [01:54] hum, have two point of view [01:54] because it paints a picture that i associate with unfairness.. rationally i could just say "i dont like this" and walk on, but acting on it defines me as an entity in this world.. and i like how that feels [01:54] you mean to overlook the irrationality? [01:54] resulting of two analysis process [01:54] irrationalities* [01:54] one with feeling, the other with facts and rationality [01:54] Action: agentc0re hates FF [01:55] stupid thing just crashed and closed. [01:55] agentc0re: for what rational reason? [01:55] mohaa: oh... sex is fun. i prefer the loud, nasty girl, to the hot vulcan that raises one eyebrow when she climaxes [01:55] agentc0re: that is just a technical flaw, you should understand that [01:55] technical flaw? [01:56] agentc0re: a mere "i observe that this computer application does not live up to my expectations" is enough.. no need to hate ;-) [01:56] lol [01:56] agentc0re: have you thought about how ff feels about you? [01:56] send crash report [01:56] antler: wow.. now we are getting somewhere :P [01:56] Action: agentc0re stomps on FF [01:56] adn how you kill fox by hating this product ? [01:56] see? that didnt make me pissed at all [01:56] macavity: lol [01:56] FF had it comming! [01:57] FF: to ya balls sucka! [01:57] it has a mind of its own [01:57] :P [01:57] antler, and what does it have to do with slackware ? [01:57] antler: It feels squished. [01:57] Does anyone have experience setting up and connecting to a Slackbox all via SSH? [01:57] I have no physical access to it. [01:57] slackbox? [01:57] robotic: ssh user@ip ?? [01:57] robotic: you are obviously not going to install it that way... [01:57] antler, what if you were stuck for eternity with the alien female? [01:57] robotic, yes [01:57] Derp. I forgot the important bit... VNC server [01:57] oh [01:58] :( [01:58] VNC is ghey :P [01:58] vnc :( [01:58] you would not have sex with that female? [01:58] Use port forwarding? [01:58] Arenics (n=Arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "cya" [01:58] Yeah yeah. I just need to set up a VNC server on it. [01:58] C_S: what female? where? is she hot? [01:58] lol [01:58] the vulcan girl [01:58] aww [01:59] Jolene Blalock? [01:59] i dont want women to be rational [01:59] i want them to be passionate and a mystery to explore [01:59] why not? [01:59] Action: Motoko-chan would rather be stuck with Hoshi Sato (Linda Park) [01:59] C_S: because i have very nice buddies i can be all rational with [01:59] mohaa: oh god she was hot [02:00] Motoko-chan: ^^ [02:00] who told you that rational women do not like to get banged? [02:00] not hoshi, but tpal [02:01] T'Pol was just semi-hot. [02:01] C_S: it is my experience that women who are less rational are a lot wilder in bed [02:01] you could train them :P [02:01] Did anyone see the photos of Linda Park from Yolk? [02:01] Motoko-chan: there was a good reason why tpol was chosen to reveal part of her ass to us [02:02] viewers want that ass, not hoshi's. [02:02] Action: Motoko-chan would take Hoshi's ass [02:02] C_S: my GF wears the leather colar i gave her when we play [02:02] Motoko-chan: did she have one? [02:02] you like kinky sex [02:02] antler, please don't highlight me :/ [02:02] yup [02:02] antler, she had something [02:02] Did you see the photos? [02:02] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:02] and no, dont ask me to be rational about why i like to spank a girl on the behind :P [02:03] 'x_x [02:03] it becomes Freudian rather quickly :P [02:03] mohaa: didn't mean to. mo tab takes me to moh, not mot. [02:03] because it is joyful :) [02:03] I believe this is one of them: http://www.celebrity-pictures.ca/Celebrities/Linda-Park/Linda-Park-11.JPG [02:03] macavity: Because you're the bull and she's the cow! [02:03] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:03] lol [02:04] agentc0re: s/cow/kitty/ or will have to teach you some unrational lessons about how to adress my girl ;-) [02:04] it's all about the endorphin and their psychological triggers baby :P [02:04] endorphins* [02:04] macavity, does she wear nekomimi? [02:04] Motoko-chan: i am not familiar with that term [02:04] Cat ears [02:05] macavity: all good if she doesn't strap it on for you. or that might be, depending on whether or not you like that sorta thing [02:05] Motoko-chan: nope.. that is not my kind of thing [02:05] macavity, you are bisexual? [02:05] lol cat ears [02:05] macavity: pfft.. i'm not calling her a cow. however, i think you know that and the point i was making. :D [02:05] antler: naaa.. my rectum is strictly one way :P [02:05] lol [02:06] agentc0re: yes, but that wasnt nearly as fun :P [02:06] You call her kitty, but no cat ear headband? [02:06] Shame [02:06] C_S: nope.. i am a hetrosexual dominant (to speak the lingo) [02:06] macavity, if you do not use the collar you do not have sex? [02:07] C_S: come again? [02:07] how dominant? exvinicus or alvinicus? [02:07] C_S: oh, well.. sometimes we "just have sex" [02:07] just kidding :P [02:07] More hoshi: http://downloads.scifinews.de/files/Serien/Star_Trek_Enterprise/Bilder/Linda_Park/001.jpg [02:08] i'd take just tpol's leg over hoshi. [02:08] http://trekcore.com/specials/albums/human/album6/linda_park.jpg [02:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI [02:08] i can hump a leg. [02:08] LOL [02:08] those sexual engagements are dissapointing to you? [02:08] you have difficulties ejaculating? [02:08] You'd rather have *her*? http://trekcore.com/specials/albums/human/album6/nana_visitor.jpg [02:09] not at all.. actually i think she would like to be "used" more of the times [02:09] Motoko-chan: who's that?? [02:09] Correction [02:09] how about megan fox she is very popular :P [02:09] id hump her! [02:09] http://cullrich.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/jolene-blalock-more-pic-5-big.jpg [02:09] everyone wants to bang her [02:09] lol [02:09] no shit.. [02:09] http://www.wallpaperez.net/wallpaper/celebrities/Jolene-Blalock-in-fuzz-52.jpg [02:09] well she is single now [02:10] if you were in hollywood you could have tried to make a move [02:10] right.. [02:10] what happened to rational thinking? :P [02:10] are you attractive? what does your gf say? [02:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHaAFqoVLtI HAHAH! [02:10] what about it? :P [02:11] not really [02:11] are you thin? [02:11] but my gf is nice and polite and say that i am good looking [02:11] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-162-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] she does not find your body hot? [02:12] C_S: medium hight, medium weight, plain face with kinda heavy eyelids.. people tend to take me for somewhat slow untill i speak up [02:12] C_S: are you masturbating right now? [02:12] yes. [02:12] :P [02:12] macavity has a fan :D [02:12] why do you not start exercising? [02:12] C_S: my gf is a little older than i am.. it is much less the physical attraction that is important to her [02:12] i am joking of course :P, i am heterosexual [02:13] for maximum sexual pleasure it is [02:13] antler: oh, i have many :P [02:13] afterall you admitted that you would prefer megan fox over your gf [02:13] macavity: bubba from d block doesn't count [02:14] antler: yes it does.. i love the way he begs for mercy :P [02:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:14] macavity: lol [02:14] newbieslacker (n=luis@host156.190-137-68.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [02:14] C_S: honnestly, i havent met the bitch, so i cant say [02:14] http://www.sexyfemaleabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/brittany-daniel-the-game-abs.jpg [02:14] why are you calling her a bitch ? [02:14] i'm always a big fan of brittany daniels [02:15] let me callher fans they will tear you apart :P [02:15] call her* [02:15] somebody can help me with glib ? [02:15] C_S: previous experience with celeberties :P [02:15] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Connection timed out [02:15] female hollywood ones? [02:16] newbieslacker, maybe...do you have questions or do you just want me to come over? [02:16] C_S: in fact, i think there is an over whelming chance that i wont like her at all.. and it has been some years since i came to the conclusion that i dont bother screwing girls i dont like [02:16] yes [02:16] i have one [02:16] im using devede [02:16] and i have this error [02:16] glib.GError: /usr/share/devede/wprogress.ui: required gtk+ version 2.16, current version is 2.14 [02:16] C_S: is that a feeling or rational thinking? [02:16] though you lust her body [02:16] Action: macavity puts the OTing on pause [02:16] i dont know how to update gtk [02:17] that is human nature [02:17] that is how we evolved [02:17] newbieslacker, what version of slack are you running? [02:17] edman007: since when did you become mean? [02:17] :D [02:17] lol... [02:17] edman007 : current [02:18] antler, i'm in #java talking to someone saying his data is related so he wants it in an array, but its not related enough to make his tables normalized.... [02:18] some people are stupid... [02:18] edman007: show him timecube.com [02:19] C_S: you gotta write down these things you're saying. david hume was 26 when he published 'an enquiry into human understand', but you, you're only 23. [02:19] edman007: hahah [02:19] newbieslacker, you tell the people that want to help you about do you exactly want help with [02:19] you must* [02:19] antler, hahhaha, wtf is that site? [02:19] ok [02:19] C_S: oh, his error is quite clear [02:20] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-71.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:20] i need GTK 2.16 [02:20] edman007: you mean agentc0re ? [02:20] but i have GTK 2.14 [02:20] exactly [02:20] to him? [02:20] edman007: Pure awesome :D [02:20] heheh [02:20] antler, ? [02:21] newbieslacker: just a seccond.. i am going to look something up for you [02:21] do i have to compile from sources ? [02:21] why should i save what i write? [02:21] must* [02:22] newbieslacker: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/source/l/gtk+2 [02:22] the norwegian mirror is great :P [02:22] agentc0re, omg, at the bottom there is a next page link, wtf!?!?! [02:22] agentc0re, yes.... [02:22] newbieslacker: you edit the gtk+2.SlackBuild to reflect the source upgrade [02:23] newbieslacker: then you manually check if these patches are still needed [02:23] macavity : thank you man [02:23] newbieslacker: then you apply them or not. perhaps merge them manually if something has been moved a little [02:23] edman007: thats why you give it to him. :P hopefully he'll leave you alone after that :D [02:23] nite all [02:23] newbieslacker: then you launch the script, and if all goes well, it will dump the new package in /tmp [02:24] newbieslacker: dont forget to use upgradepkg instead of installpkg, ok? [02:24] agentc0re, hahaha [02:24] macavity : ok . i will try [02:24] edman007: what link? i missed it. post it. [02:24] newbieslacker: oh, and make sure you have the original version handy, in case something goes wroing [02:24] *wroing [02:24] *wrong [02:24] *headdesk* [02:24] yes [02:24] lol [02:25] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [02:25] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:25] antler, timecube.com [02:25] damn.. gtk+2 has become rocket science to install [02:26] macavity, i got evince working on my box... [02:26] what does that make me? [02:26] newbieslacker: please take care when you fiddle with this, ok? better one question to many than one too few! [02:26] edman007: speshul! [02:27] macavity : ok man [02:27] edman007: heh wtf [02:28] macavity, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee [02:28] robotic (n=brian@ip98-182-27-242.sb.sd.cox.net) left ##slackware. 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[02:53] Agiofws, hi [02:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-64.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:54] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-200.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-85.dial.telus.net) left irc: "SLEEP TIME IS NAO TIME!!" [02:55] RaNdY (n=randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:56] spazz (n=spazz@ppp157-183.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] spazz (n=spazz@ppp157-183.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:09] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:27] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:32] I am receving a message "malloc: using debugging hooks" when ever I enter a command in console [03:32] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:33] anyone have an idea why that would start happening I haven;t changed anything in my enviroment settings [03:34] set | grep MALLOC shows me MALLOC_CHECK_=3 glibc.sh in profile.d is by default commented out entirely [03:36] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [03:36] xdan779, check your .bashrc/.bash_login [03:37] but the malloc_check causes that...and makes stuff REALLY slow [03:38] the real question is: how did this get enabled? [03:38] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [03:39] edman007: I actually do not have a .bashrc or .bash_login [03:39] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [03:41] jeffrey_ (n=jeffrey@219.134.26.170) joined ##slackware. [03:41] when did that message first appear? [03:42] antoni (n=user@113.pool85-53-7.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [03:42] anyone know if scim still does not work with kde4 like the script says? [03:42] in /etc/profile.d/scim.sh [03:43] not me i have 3.5.10 [03:43] C_S: it started about a half hour ago [03:43] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [03:43] what did you do? [03:43] I wasn't doing anything to out if the ordinary though I was using a Virtualbox session [03:44] you were running virtualbox? [03:44] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [03:45] yes, but it wasnlt doing what I wanted it to do so I removed the modules and added kvm and kvm-intel [03:45] voodoopushy (n=unknown@200-101-114-186.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:45] after you closed it the message began to appear after very command that is executed? [03:45] Darko (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-4e9afc7562890c3a) joined ##slackware. [03:45] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-13.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:45] Darko (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-4e9afc7562890c3a) left irc: Client Quit [03:46] yea can;t imagine how that it would that as I was using it without issue before today [03:47] install virtualbox again [03:47] xdan779, it happens in a new login? [03:47] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:48] edman007: only in X if I alt-ctrl-f6 and log in they do not appear [03:48] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:48] if I use xterm konsole or rxvt in X I get them [03:49] antoni (n=user@113.pool85-53-7.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:49] did you log out of your X session and back in? [03:50] did you try using a different WM (not starting KDE on login) [03:50] edman007: I have not tried that yet [03:51] do it [03:51] did you restart the system? [03:52] voodoopushy (n=unknown@200-101-114-186.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: [03:52] setenv MALLOC_CHECK_ 0 [03:52] C_S: I have restarted the system I did notice this in dmesg http://pastebin.com/m4daf46ad which I am wondering if Virtualbox is the culprit though ot wasn;t doing this yesterday [03:53] you use a 2.6.26 kernel? [03:54] alright, now its new kernel time! [03:54] though only -rc2 :( [03:54] wait for stable [03:54] I am going to logout and login trying from afterstep if that doesnt work I will disable those modules and restart [03:55] version first [03:55] C_S, nah, i filed a bug report, and they told me to test the rc, so i will [03:55] Linux daniel 2.6.28.5 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Feb 15 00:44:46 CST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [03:56] ok to both [03:56] did you set the enviroment variable? [03:57] C_S: yes and that message does go away [03:58] which glibc version do you have installed? [03:58] I am still a little concerned though as I haven;t messed with anyof my envorment settings anytime recently [03:59] C_S: glibc-2.7 [03:59] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-200.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:59] it will not create issues [03:59] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) joined ##slackware. [04:00] it might something to do with memory corruption [04:01] have* [04:03] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [04:03] xdan779, do not worry be happy :P [04:04] C_S: maybe so, thanks for the help. the message is gone and everthing seems to be running fine [04:04] you are welcome [04:04] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:06] C_S: well in case your wondering I know what caused them now, as I have managed to bring them back [04:06] echo $PATH [04:06] happens after loading the kvm modules [04:07] hm [04:07] output of set? [04:09] C_S: http://pastebin.com/de9b6a61 [04:09] it changes the variable configuration [04:10] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-145.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:10] you have the latest version? [04:10] of kvm? [04:12] i suggest to use the latest linux version [04:12] C_S: I probobly do not, I usually grab the latest version when I upgrade my kernel, so it is at least as old as the kernel [04:12] yes i read that it is included in mainline now [04:13] first chance you get compile a new kernel [04:13] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:14] C_S: yea I can live with out kvm for a few days, I will upgrade it over the weekend [04:14] excellent :) [04:14] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] still a little baffled as to how it chaged my malloc variable [04:15] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:16] C_S: anyways thanks again definatly appreciated [04:16] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [04:16] you are welcome :) [04:17] do a memtest though [04:19] C_S: yea wouldn't hurt, another thing I can add to my weekend [04:20] yes [04:20] any iptables ninjas here? how do i redirect an incoming udp connection on port 8000 to port 9000? [04:20] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Success [04:24] www.fwbuilder.org [04:27] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:30] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [04:31] nope...kernel bug is still there :( [04:32] what bug? [04:32] http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12940 [04:32] i'm going to reply now...i don't feel like recompiling and rebooting to make it work, i confirmed the bug is still there... [04:33] C_S: why the fuck are you versioning me you twat? [04:33] slava_dp: something like this maybe? $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i $INET_IFACE --destination-port 0000 \ -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.2:9000 [04:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:34] you might be a 'twat', i am not [04:34] C_S: still up to this crap hey [04:34] you are from greece that is why [04:34] eimai ellinas [04:36] that would explain your twatness [04:36] ?? ???; [04:36] he has already been warned [04:37] you are 'twatty', not me [04:38] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) joined ##slackware. [04:39] the douchebag spent all afternoon listening to a diatribe about not setting away messages.... and then went for food and set an away message.. and promptly got fisted by slackboy [04:39] you are a douchebag, not me [04:39] s/lmessage/nick/ [04:41] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:41] the next one will hurt a tad more [04:42] chopp, thanks for the iptables hint, it worked. [04:42] slava_dp: hey right on :) [04:42] you're welcome [04:43] slava_dp, it seems that google is not your friend [04:45] jeffrey_ (n=jeffrey@219.134.26.170) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:45] Action: Zordrak provides a comfortable pile of hay under a bridge for C_S to live in [04:45] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [04:46] provide it to yourself not me [04:46] to* me [04:48] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [04:49] Action: chopp revs the evo as he cruises under the bridge and throws a molotov coctail at the pile of whatever it is on the hay [04:50] dude.. troll bridges are road over water... i hope that evo has water wings :) [04:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:52] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [04:53] I'm not trading my hog in on a jetski :P fsck the troll [04:54] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [05:02] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host182-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:02] sbopkg is the greatest tool since screwdrivers [05:02] Zordrak, agree completely [05:03] 20 standard packages added on new server install, compiled from source, in about 10 mins [05:03] what would i do without it.. [05:05] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [05:09] jeffrey_ (n=jeffrey@218.17.57.41) joined ##slackware. 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[06:16] and Zord [06:16] rak, [06:16] you [06:16] Channel flood from Aldaron -- kicking [06:16] should [06:16] Aldaron kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [06:16] lol [06:16] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Action: Zordrak points [06:16] Action: Zordrak laughs [06:16] damn. Z knew exactly how much he can spam without being kicked ;) [06:18] anybody know what happens? why the site down? [06:18] Action: Zordrak is smiling. I don't know why, I just love compiling custom kernels. [06:20] BentoPUNK: dunno. I'd think if it was a technical reason, it'd be fixed already :P [06:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:20] Aldaron: its server failure [06:20] i believe (but am not certain) that it's a hardware fail [06:21] Zordrak: oh? Maybe.. A harddisk fail can be a bitch [06:21] + maybe everybody's on vacation [06:21] i had a hdd fail yesterday morning... but it was raid1 so all is well :) [06:22] maybe theyb just want to save b/w after announcing rc1 status :) [06:22] ;) [06:23] much chepaer to just shut 'er off for a week [06:24] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-06c609ead40ef630) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:25] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:26] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-2a3833a3754293e1) joined ##slackware. [06:27] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:30] -topic [06:30] ^wrong key... ignore [06:31] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:31] Action: Zordrak fails miserably at ignoring [06:31] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:34] i just added a new user (renee) and tried to log into kde using the new account... i didn't work... this is what .xsession-errors has in it - http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d6cef9a04... any ideas??? [06:35] zoran119: did you creata a homedir? [06:35] Zordrak: yeah... used adduser [06:36] whats with the pastebin url? [06:36] http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d6cef9a04 [06:36] s/pastebin.php?dl=//g [06:37] hmm [06:37] why is it an attachment not just paste? [06:37] nm [06:38] http://pastebin.com/d6cef9a04 sorry [06:38] thats better [06:38] zoran119: ls -la /home/renee [06:38] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:40] http://pastebin.com/m6887d9c [06:43] Zordrak: any ideas [06:43] looking [06:44] im not good with fonts [06:45] but id start looking at fc-cache [06:45] and /etc/fonts [06:45] for problemn [06:45] zoran119: is this a full install? [06:45] sahko: yes [06:45] 12.2 [06:46] xset q should provide your font path [06:46] the font warning is a red herring I think. [06:46] XGizzmo: *nod* quite possibly [06:46] XGizzmo: i found it likes to bitch about a font server when you're out of disk space [06:49] wow fun... started X on new server... fluxbox loaded.. then system hung flat [06:50] thank god for reisub [06:51] and woo for 38M RAM used when loaded [06:52] Zordrak, reisub? [06:52] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reisub [06:52] :] [06:52] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [06:54] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Zordrak, oh, the Raising Elephants trick :) yeah, that's handy. [06:56] wish it wouldnt do it in the first place [06:56] need something to detect and kill hanging hardware stuff [06:56] pipe dream [06:57] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-199-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Action: Zordrak blames the nv driver [06:58] wish the nvidia driver site worked in console browsers [07:00] sorry guys... be back in a sec [07:02] lol [07:02] found my problem [07:02] i disable hald on servers by default [07:05] Zordrak: he, it works ;) [07:05] it's awful but it works ;p [07:06] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [07:06] now, a question : I just installed slackware64-13rc1 and have a keymap problem in X : my keymap is always "us" no matter what I do [07:07] from X's log : (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us" [07:07] C_Tux: search for hal X config [07:07] that's no longer managed by xorg configurations [07:08] dunno why - I think it's harder now than it was before, but meh [07:09] C_Tux: read my post here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3570580#post3570580 [07:09] it's *much* harder =/ [07:12] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@S010600a0c5e3aa5d.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:12] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@S010600a0c5e3aa5d.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:13] scubacuda (i=rog@186.sub-75-250-190.myvzw.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:18] cyclist (n=a@sxanth.static.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:18] that really, really suck [07:19] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [07:19] xml is the new human readable default [07:19] sahko: thanks [07:19] btw, I use oss-latin9, that goes in the variant part, right? [07:20] and xml is really unreadable and is sheer bureaucraty [07:20] xml is used in html, openoffice, etc [07:20] wiki too [07:20] i dont know, it should look like a xorg.conf. if you put it in variant, it should be the same [07:21] maxote: xml is funnier when it comes with documentation, it's everything but self-explanatory [07:21] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Client Quit [07:21] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:21] (you may embed a dtd to make that better, that'd already be a dream) [07:21] sahko: well, I'll see when I close and start X again ;) [07:22] C_Tux: you need to restart hal too [07:22] UML-2.x's XMI uses xml too [07:22] sahko: good to know, thanks [07:22] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [07:22] hi guys =) [07:22] maxote: my main complain about xml is that it is not self-explanatory but people think so and don't give doc about it [07:22] Hi there phrag [07:23] phrag: yo :) [07:23] been awhile =P [07:23] Action: alienBOB leaving for work... just got 60Mbit internet installed at home ;-) [07:23] o.0 ...i'm still stuck on 2mbit! [07:23] bloody student housing =P [07:23] NL, best internet services in the EU [07:23] Action: C_Tux understands why alienBOB is still at home at 1pm ;p [07:24] better than se? [07:24] sahko: I could get 100MB at home ;) [07:24] C_Tux: i bet NL is cheaper than FR [07:24] although its been a while since i had looked it up [07:25] C_Tux: half of the city has 100Mbit fiber but the digital tv quality is not as good as my 60Mbit / digital tv [07:25] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:25] sahko: 30 euros? [07:26] alienBOB: yeah, internet and digital tv don't usually mix well =/ [07:26] alienBOB: slackware.com's new mirror ;p [07:26] hahaha [07:26] Action: phrag is already mirroring slackware.com to alienBOB's home pc [07:27] hoi phrag =) [07:28] hey dude [07:29] wzup? [07:29] been doing a bit IT work at festivals, saving for hacking @ random 8o) [07:30] cool [07:30] whats the plan, cause i'm not sure i'm going with anyone, so could meet you guys in dam and head down with you [07:30] phrag: sure thing [07:30] =/ building nouveau is a pita now, it used to be simple, now you have to use their kernel tree... [07:30] phrag: im quite busy during the summer tho, my boss is on work so im the head of operations dept until august [07:30] and i have to check how much free days i can take [07:31] safe, how long you guys planning on staying for ? 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[07:35] phrag: yeah of course [07:36] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Success [07:38] \o/ touchpad tapping ok, keymap ok :) [07:38] aah yes [07:38] but I still think that way of configuring things is pretty bad [07:38] the eye of the bofh.. one of the muppets at the office came complaining a server was responding very slow [07:38] and especially since xorgsetup doesn't set things correctly [07:38] so i brought up the VI client and stared at the server [07:38] now its all good again [07:40] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:42] he, 1337 skills :) [07:42] erjc_ (n=erc@cable-12-97-132.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Nick change: erjc_ -> erjc [07:43] Action: C_Tux got his conky, his black X background, his grey consoles and his vim and openbox config, feels much better :) [07:43] now, only have to make firefox stop using that ugly serif font [07:44] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [07:44] C_Tux: im still struggling on that [07:45] fluxbox is now ignoring the startup that sets the background and loads conky [07:45] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) left irc: "Leaving" [07:46] Action: C_Tux knows nothing about fluxbox [07:47] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [07:48] staring works [07:48] never underestimate the power of a good stare [07:49] after all, yelling at raid arrays has an effect, so why not ;) [07:50] erjc (n=erc@cable-12-97-132.b2b2c.ca) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [07:52] phrag: yeah [07:52] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] its my mad sk1lz [07:53] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [07:53] can someone dig ns0.tpa.me.uk for me? [07:54] http://pastebin.com/ma7167b8 [07:54] there you go [07:54] ty [07:54] oh man my collega is quitting smoking [07:54] he just came by my desk looking completly trashed [07:54] "man i just wanted to tell you.. not smoking sucks ass!" [07:55] then he left [07:55] hehehe [07:55] tewmten: hahaha :P [07:55] hm, i think its time for an espresso and a ciggie [07:55] bbl [07:57] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:05] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [08:05] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.216.77.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] cyclist (n=a@sxanth.static.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:11] I've noticed slackware.com has been down for several days... any rumors? [08:11] lol /topic < campassi [08:11] hehe [08:11] whoops [08:13] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:14] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [08:19] yosi_ (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:21] slackware.com is down?! [08:21] anyways, uh, yeah, dbus and wicd still do not get along and both are installed (both on slackware64-13.0-rc1 and slackware-13.0-rc1) [08:21] >.< [08:22] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:22] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:22] all these negative thoughts : bob isn't down, he's just high, terribly high :D [08:23] lol [08:23] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:25] TwinReverb: be sure to restart dbus after installing wicd, otherwise dbus doesn't know about wicd [08:25] Darko (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-aa37a93e87800b99) joined ##slackware. [08:26] in mplayer, the patents are all software patents, right? [08:26] thrice`, this was a cold power-yup [08:26] er up [08:26] both were previously installed before i shut the machine off [08:27] is there some prerequisite of wicd i am not aware of? [08:27] anyone on fluxbox on rc1 -- has the startup procedure changed since 12.2? flux is seemingly ignoring my startup file to set the bg and exec conky [08:27] thrice`, my apologies the library is closing, i will log back online in a few minutes [08:27] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:27] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03AC4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] ok, can't wait <3 <3 [08:28] Zordrak: mm, I don't use fluxbox. Doesn't it use ~/.fluxbox/autostart or something ? [08:28] well i the [08:29] hm? :) [08:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.88) joined ##slackware. [08:29] well it DID use "startup" in ~/.fluxbox [08:29] Darko (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-aa37a93e87800b99) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:30] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:30] ah, ok. what does it look like? [08:30] yours, that is [08:30] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Client Quit [08:32] pretty much the same as a default except an fbsetroot, and an exec for conky [08:32] in fact thats all it is [08:32] I feel like replying to that nigerian scam I just received by mail :) [08:33] well, do you append & after your commands ? [08:33] i'd do something like: ( sleep 2 && conky ) & [08:34] Darko (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-c6d88daf54a8dddf) joined ##slackware. [08:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:35] gah, I forgot to enable vdpau in mplayer, I'm stupid (or will it use vdpau automatically?) [08:35] thrice`: the startup is identical to 5 other servers on 12.2 that work perfectly [08:36] the .fluxbox and /etc/conky dirs are duplicated [08:36] cool, autodetected :) [08:36] Zordrak: does 'ps -e |grep conky' show anything? [08:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:37] not really relevant as its not proccessing the fbsetroot [08:37] anyways, dbus and wicd no worky together (cold boot) [08:38] Zordrak: are you sure it's not processed at all, maybe it's just not displayed properly [08:38] TwinReverb: what is the error? [08:38] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] TwinReverb: did you add your user to the power and netdev groups? [08:39] C_Tux: execing the startup after loading runs fbsetroot ok [08:40] "unable to contact the wicd daemon due to an access denied error from dbus. please check your dbus configuration" [08:40] oh now there's a netdev group?! [08:40] you cant use wicd without being on it! :) [08:40] Zordrak: weird errors are weird... ;) [08:41] Zordrak: you might make X run 'strace fluxbox &> /tmp/fb_strace' instead of just 'fluxbox' and check if it reads the config correctly [08:41] Action: TwinReverb will try again tomorrow [08:41] (or you might check the autostart file last access time) [08:41] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-2a3833a3754293e1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:41] TwinReverb: and if you run it as root? [08:42] C_Tux, i prefer not to, i'll try it tomorrow [08:42] it's probably me then [08:43] TwinReverb: that would only be to check once [08:43] C_Tux, i know but i'm good [08:43] doh, mplayer's slackbuild failed at the very end ='( [08:43] TwinReverb: vi /usr/doc/wicd-1.6.1/README.SLACKWARE [08:43] /MPlayer.SlackBuild: line 288: cd: /mnt/tmp/package-MPlayer/usr/share/mplayer/skins: No such file or directory (I disabled the gui ='( ) [08:47] sahko, ah yes [08:47] Action: TwinReverb will be putting all this on his 13.0 linux laptops pages btw [08:47] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:48] sahko: any specific thing? (/me doesn't have wic) [08:48] C_Tux: i dont know what you mean by that [08:49] hmmmm i think its a startx thing [08:49] startfluxbox runs the startup file, but doesnt load X [08:49] suggesting startx isnt calling startfluxbox [08:50] kyoga (i=0@200.209.164.124) joined ##slackware. [08:50] sahko: when you pointed him at the doc, did you have any specific problem in mind or did you only pointed at the whole doc? [08:50] hello, guys [08:51] C_Tux: only that he wouldnt have to ask if he actually read the documentation? i dont know.. [08:51] sahko: ok [08:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:53] wicd works, thanks [08:54] Nick change: thumbs_ -> thumbs [08:54] john_dee (n=id@93.81.119.74) joined ##slackware. [08:55] I really really hate not to have /sbin and /usr/sbin in my path [08:55] the thing is for current, there is no UPGRADE.TXT where such issues are normally explained [08:55] Action: C_Tux checks how he made his user [08:55] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:56] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:57] wachbirn (n=wachbirn@128.131.200.10) joined ##slackware. [08:58] anyone happen to have an openoffice slackware package that is 64bit? 8-) [08:58] no sorry [08:58] hoi )( [08:58] =) [08:58] sahko, or you mean changes and hints [08:58] dot txt [08:59] anyone have any good idea about polling an IMAP mailbox to check for emails? like in a script or something [08:59] for a little website.. [09:00] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] TwinReverb: yeah, all those docs in the root directory in general [09:02] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [09:02] morning all [09:02] sahko, yeah /usr/doc probably should've referenced that [09:02] haven't needed it in so long i guess i forgot about it 8-S [09:03] TwinReverb: robby did. [09:03] ? [09:03] TwinReverb: er: OO.org 64bit [09:03] anyone using go-oo? [09:03] thumbs, i didn't see it, you got a link? i tried to go up in directory on his website but alas [09:04] wachbirn (n=wachbirn@128.131.200.10) left irc: "Leaving" [09:04] TwinReverb: he gave it to me at some point, it was not public. [09:04] TwinReverb: sorry [09:05] drat anyone have some channel logs? 8-S [09:05] this channel is publicly logged. [09:05] i just chrooted to a mounted external hdd partition, modified lilo.conf and wrote lilo to it's mbr. now, when i typed exit (to exit the chroot), i cannot umount the partition, umount says it's busy, while lsof says nothing is using it. what could be the cause? [09:07] or, how can i force a umount? (sync first of course) [09:07] TwinReverb: /topic [09:08] C_Tux: I have at some point [09:09] did a umount -l, hope it's not destructive.... [09:09] 1766 [09:10] i am grepping the logs [09:10] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] and not finding it [09:13] i'm trying to compile gst-plugins-base, but i have this error http://pastebin.fr/5054 [09:13] pprkut: any opinion about go-oo? better, worse or same? [09:14] locate libgobject returns me http://pastebin.fr/5055 [09:14] i don't understant why the programs goes search into /usr/lib and not into /usr/lib64 [09:14] even if i build with --libdir=/usr/lib64 and LDFLAGS="-L /usr/lib64" [09:15] C_Tux: well, it was faster, and had a few nifty features more [09:16] paissad_: you shouldnt have libgobject in /usr/lib/ only /usr/lib64 [09:16] C_Tux: but getting normal OOo was easier [09:17] sahko, if i remove the package glib2-32 which contains libgobject into /usr/lib ... the build of gst-*-base tells me " libgobject not Found !" [09:17] pprkut: I saw a benchmark showing go-oo was slower than oo and was a bit surprised, anyway, I'll probably try to install go-oo next time [09:17] if i install glib2-32, the file is in wrong format ! [09:17] :( [09:17] paissad_: then fix your script to find it! [09:17] thrice`, you don't happen to remember how many days ago it was, do you? [09:18] that's what i want, but dunno how to do that [09:19] paissad_: what are you running? slackware64-current? [09:19] slamd64 .. [09:20] ah that would explain it [09:20] TwinReverb: sorry, what was? [09:20] FWIW gt-plugins-base is in Slackware64current. [09:20] s/gt/gst [09:21] i don't see that at sbo.org [09:21] giant (n=giant@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] thrice`, do you remember how long ago you got the package from rworkman? [09:21] paissad_: http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware64-current/source/l/gst-plugins-base/ [09:21] which package ? I don't use wicd [09:22] granted i see the advice you gave on how to make the slackbuild work on it (openoffice 64 bit) [09:22] Nick change: giant -> Giant81 [09:23] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:23] I walked away from my desk, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to do [09:23] find the package of openoffice 64bit that rworkman gave you the non-public link for [09:23] i'm grepping the channel logs [09:24] i found the thing you said about how to make the slackbuild work so i may end up going that route [09:24] I don't think there IS a package for openoffice; just use the slackbuild [09:25] http://ftp-atl.osuosl.org/pub/openoffice/stable/3.1.0/OOo_3.1.0_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz [09:25] and ARCH="x86_64" ./openoffice.SlackBuild should be enough [09:26] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] yes, i read that in the logs, but thanks bro 8-) [09:27] tgf hal-disable-polling [09:27] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) joined ##slackware. [09:28] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587202.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Woo!! it's persistent! [09:29] btw powertop works good in case anyone wants to improve their laptop battery life [09:31] TwinReverb: i thought it wasnt much cop outside of intel.. [09:31] is it? [09:31] so now audacious using alsa output plugin won't work even though my user is a member of audio group and i made sure my settings are good [09:31] sahko, when i run the script from the site you send to me, i got this error LINK libgstalsa.la [09:31] /usr/lib/libasound.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format [09:31] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [09:31] Channel flood from paissad_ -- kicking [09:31] make[3]: *** [libgstalsa.la] Erreur 1 [09:31] paissad_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:31] Zordrak, it's by intel so it may not be [09:31] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Making all in cdda [09:31] Making all in fft [09:31] but some recommendations are about things intel don't put out, like dbus [09:31] Making all in floatcast [09:31] Making all in netbuffer [09:31] Making all in pbutils [09:31] Making all in riff [09:31] Making all in rtp [09:31] uh... [09:31] Making all in rtsp [09:31] Making all in sdp [09:31] Making all in video [09:31] Making all in app [09:31] Making all in gst [09:31] copy pasta spam [09:31] Making all in adder [09:32] Making all in app [09:32] DIE freakboy [09:32] Making all in audioconvert [09:32] Making all in audiorate [09:32] Making all in audiotestsrc [09:32] Channel flood from paissad_ -- kicking [09:32] Making all in ffmpegcolorspace [09:32] paissad_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:32] \0/ [09:32] alienBOB: Please to be makxing an appearance [09:32] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Making all in ximage [09:32] Making all in xvimage [09:32] Making all in v4l [09:32] wtf! [09:32] Making all in ext [09:32] Making all in alsa [09:32] LINK libgstalsa.la [09:32] Channel flood from paissad_ -- kicking [09:32] /usr/lib/libasound.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format [09:32] paissad_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:33] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [09:34] i wanted to do a middle click, i did copy/paste [09:34] paissad, PASTEBIN please [09:34] paissad: pastebin idiot! [09:34] i use pastebin [09:34] the problem with that is once you start the paste, you can't stop it [09:34] Action: agentc0re slaps forehead [09:34] even if you didn't mean to [09:34] agentc0re, ohhh, idiot yourself, [09:34] paissad, use it more often please [09:35] Giant81, yes you can, it's called killall xchat [09:35] or whatever you use [09:35] true [09:35] paissad: no, you are the idiot, for joining the channel twice and trying then again [09:35] i said that i did not do it in purpose, i hightlightened the pastebin for a middle click, but i did crtl v [09:35] thats funny [09:35] you made people freak out like elitists [09:36] thrice`, no no, that's the paste which was continuing .... it's automatic , i promise [09:36] that's not elitism [09:36] i did not paste twice, i would be idiot ... [09:37] maybe his auto-join is enabled [09:37] that's the 1st time it happens to me, and people going hard, damn it .... [09:38] i use to use pastebin .... i repeat ... [09:38] Thats because i figured on the rejoin you pasted again. [09:38] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:38] kick should've stopped the paste, or so i thought. [09:39] agentc0re, it didn't [09:39] unless the information was already sent to the server [09:39] or his client was still transmitting even though he was kicked [09:39] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:39] i think so .. [09:39] auto-join pops back in, and client keeps going [09:39] who knows... [09:40] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:40] w00t w00t!!!! got my med card last night!! [09:40] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] paissad: regarding your problem, i suggest you ask in #slamd64. i cant help you. its obvious that the 32bit libs you have installed are the problem [09:41] sahko, yes ... thanks [09:42] you could have inconvenienced people and brought down the ENTIRE FREENODE....you noob!!!!!1111111111111 [09:42] lets flood about the flood [09:44] i don't know if i shoud reconnect now , dunno if the paste is over now :) [09:44] Action: slava_dp is flooding [09:44] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:45] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [09:45] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] im putting my shoes on the wrong feet [09:49] Action: slava_dp keeps flooding [09:51] FLUD FLUD [09:51] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:51] i shoulda used pastebin! [09:51] AHHHRRGGGGGG [09:52] Action: xXChronosXx requests k-line for dramatic effect [09:52] done? [09:53] damn tomaw is at work [09:53] it's very strange that the huge kernel cannot boot from an external usb drive. i added a couple of modules to the generic one and it booted no problem (notably ehci_hcd, usb_storage and reiserfs). [09:53] usus12jari (n=sardinem@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:54] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: "Leaving" [09:54] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:56] huskell (n=frb@p5B0EE27B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.165.35) joined ##slackware. [09:58] losim (n=andrew@144.38.70.31) joined ##slackware. [09:59] what's the program which search for the libs , pkgconfig or ldconfig ? ..... actually my problem is that the program i want to build is searching into /usr/lib knowing that it should search into /usr/lib64 [09:59] esb__ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] do you have an idea of how i can solve that problem ? [10:01] LDFLAGS="-L/usr/lib64" ./configure -blahblah [10:01] thrice`, i did that , but nothing ... [10:02] i even add --libdir=/usr/lib64 [10:02] what program is it? [10:02] probably hard coded somewhere in the Makefile [10:02] gst-plugins-base [10:02] no [10:02] show the actual script you are using, and the resulting output [10:03] uhm .. why would you want to compile gst-plugins-base? [10:03] Anyone played with PEAR/PECL in rc1? Seems thoroughly broken [10:03] http://pastebin.fr/5059 [10:04] does slackware64 have a lib32/lib64 directory thing [10:04] http://pastebin.fr/5060 [10:04] paissad_: what slackware version are you running? [10:04] xXChronosXx: the answer isnt simple.. google "slackware multilib" [10:04] BP{k}, because i'm on slamd64 which have no gst-plugins-base [10:04] C_Tux (n=adrien@kami.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:05] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] which version of slamd64? [10:05] 12.0 [10:05] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] xXChronosXx: yes: /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 [10:05] sigh, why so old? [10:06] upgradepkg slamd64 ;) [10:06] slava_dp, why not :) [10:06] whats the point of that [10:06] why so serious?! >8-) [10:06] i thought it was pure64 bit....my pure 32 bit doestn have lib64 [10:06] and rather than saying "slackware/slamd64 doesn't have it," the proper thing is "my really old version doesn't have it yet" [10:07] omg, your 32-bit doesn't have lib64??? [10:07] t3h horror [10:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:07] =) [10:07] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:07] on that note...i'd rather go slackware32-13.0 vs slackware64-13.0 [10:07] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.130) joined ##slackware. [10:08] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03AC4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] xXChronosXx, whatever floats your boat, as they say. [10:08] Action: Dominian is already running slackware64 [10:08] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:09] if you have 64-bit hardware, running a 32-bit OS is silly [10:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:09] paissad: http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/slamd64/slamd64-12.2/source/l/gst-plugins-base/ [10:09] thrice`: not always, there are driver and program issues with 64bit [10:09] wait, nevermind, that won't work on 12.0 either [10:09] root (n=root@189.58.216.57.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:09] fadein (i=fadein@static-ip-62-75-255-124.inaddr.server4you.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] or there were issues with 64bit drivers, probably has cleared up by now [10:10] root (n=root@189.58.216.57.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:10] thrice`, there is very little speed benefit. i use 32 bits on my 64 bit system to be able to create 32 bit packages. [10:10] i'd be curious for specific examples [10:10] Wow.. php 5.2.10 is really quite broken [10:10] i wonder if Slackware64 is gonna have grub before 13.0 is released [10:10] Action: Zordrak votes for slack to roll back to 5.2.9 [10:10] cause it still doesnt [10:11] sahko: it's in /extra [10:11] I like lilo. [10:11] grub is not an upgrade [10:11] sahko, slackware has grub in /extra. install it if you wish. [10:11] Zordrak: no its not [10:11] http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks [10:11] .. [10:11] sahko: oic.. not in extra on 64 [10:11] there are TONS of data showing clear benefits to 64-bit. anyone that says it's not quicker is FUD [10:11] slackware64 doesnt have a grub package, even in extra [10:11] that's because grub doesn't compile on 64-bit [10:12] thrice`: like I said, I'm not sure if it's still an issue, but I always had issues with driver when I first started running 64bit OS's, I haven't had any for quite some time and run 64bit when I can [10:12] it needs to be loaded 32-bit as a static build [10:12] thrice`: i know.. [10:12] thrice`: in most circumstances the speed increase is barely calculable and not worth an upgrade [10:12] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [10:12] maybe not worth an upgrade, but worth it if you fresh install [10:12] If you have 32 bit bins, the 64 bit distro might not have supporting libs. [10:13] another way i to modify the /usr/lib/*.la ....but it's not a really good solution even if that works [10:13] Zordrak: how? there are CLEAR tests that show otherwise [10:13] giant81_ (n=me@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] subjective "it's barely noticable" is boring [10:15] thrice`: i think it really depends on *what* you're doing in 64bit and esp the capabilites of the app [10:15] C_Tux (n=tux@80.13.211.241) joined ##slackware. [10:15] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Client Quit [10:16] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [10:16] it's like a free performance update. why wouldn't you? [10:16] for me I don't use linux for anything where the applications preformance is a huge issue [10:17] I want my interface to be snappy, and my e-mail/web to load smoothly, but a 500ms difference isn't a deal breaker [10:17] then run 8-bit [10:17] a properly built firefox is a reason on its own IMO [10:18] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:20] a good quote from the article above: [10:20] "At this point, using a 64-bit distro is rather like enabling hyperthreading on your CPU - you get a free performance boost for your PC, and if that means you can put off upgrading it for another six months then it's an easy win. As we said earlier, it's a nice bonus. Sure, 5-10% isn't a lot, but when it's across your whole desktop and comes at no cost, why not?" [10:20] thrice`, read the article. i would happily switch to 64 bits, but i need to be able to build 32-bit packages. so - no joy. [10:20] slackware64 is multi-lib [10:21] well, supports multi-lib [10:21] I was always under the impression you could build for lower bit levels from higher bit levels [10:21] thrice`: Are you running the RC? [10:22] so you could build 8/16/32/64 from 64, you just needed the libraries [10:22] 8/16 is the funniest part [10:22] CygnusX1: I do, sure [10:22] :) [10:22] I'm sure people are still building 16bit stuff, not sure why, but I'd bet someone is doing it [10:23] thrice`: Any 'gotchas' you have found? [10:24] Action: Zordrak pokes alienBOB and rworkman for talk of php-5.2.10 being more broken than a very broken thing [10:25] CygnusX1: nope, pretty good. though I don't play any closed source games, or use wine [10:26] (which are probably the two big causes of "gotchas" ) :) [10:26] :-) [10:26] Try running FF 3.5 on 64-bit. You'll find that Slamd64 (dreading the migration to 13) is missing glib-dbus and others. [10:27] caoliver: huh? of course dbus-glib exists [10:27] giant81_, orly? linux is 32-bit and up. [10:27] thrice`: Great! Thank you. [10:27] As a 64 bit lib. FF 3.5 is a 32 bit app unless you want to self build. [10:27] yes because the only programs EVERY built are linux ones [10:27] 386 being the first cpu linus started making it on. [10:27] slamd64 builds it from source [10:28] Slamd doesn't have ff 3.5 [10:28] neither does slackware [10:28] just like slackware, though, it can be built [10:29] The point is that ff 3.5 is a 32 bit app with a headachy build, and you don't have all 32 bit compat libs to support it. [10:29] no, the point is FF is NOT a 32-bit app [10:29] As DOWNLOADED. [10:29] mozilla provides a 32-bit binary. that does not make it exclusive to 32-bit [10:29] lol [10:29] THEN DOWNLOAD THE SOURCE [10:29] Your splitting hairs. [10:29] iluminator101 (n=iluminat@69.120.215.236) joined ##slackware. [10:29] no he's being accurate. [10:29] It's a nasty build to inflict on the end user. [10:30] I have question listed is my paste bin http://linuxcranks.pastebin.com/d7b5abda9 , on the pastebin why is there bunch of samething repeating can someone tell me whats going on in regards to my pastebin [10:30] slamd64 provides 64-bit firefox [10:30] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] Not 3.54 [10:30] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] ok, I have better things to do than talk to brick walls [10:30] you win, gg [10:31] I'm not a brick wall. I just don't think it's terribly nice to say people should build their own firefox 3.5 to support 64 bit. [10:31] why not? [10:31] how do you think every 64-bit distro does it/ [10:31] thrice`: to MC Hammer? [10:31] xD [10:31] Thing END USER damn it. [10:31] s/Thing/Think/ [10:31] Slackware isn't for 'end users' [10:31] I call bull. [10:32] i'm thinking slackware user, which usually implies competance, though there are exceptions to every rule [10:32] whats ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP)? [10:32] chris punchs! [10:32] :D [10:32] Look. I've programmed since the late seventies, but some slack users haven't. [10:32] iluminator101: adding NET DEV_IP as ADDRCONF, really takes some context. [10:32] caoliver: so? [10:32] Now I'm talking to a brick wall. [10:33] so [10:33] ? [10:33] just because you have programmed since the late seventies, doesn't automagically make you the resident expert. [10:33] what does that do, how do change that? [10:33] your comment about slamd64 lacking a 32-bit dbus-glib doesn't make sense, though [10:34] caoliver: i might be mistaking but i think you are only saying all those things because you want firefox *3.5*, not just any version, to be included in Slackare 13.0 [10:34] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:34] But maybe, just maybe, I might know a thing or two, such as having the courtesy to think that some slack users might not do scratch builds of everything. [10:34] i copy Gnu IceCat to /dev/shm before i launch it...improves responsiveness [10:34] caoliver: sure, but you are the one complaining that you are trying to get 3.5. [10:35] caoliver: thats how all other software comes.. as source. [10:35] I would like to see the new javascript engine whcih is supposed to be substantially faster. [10:35] Nick change: C_Tux -> Camarade_Tux [10:35] yosi_ (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] disable javascript [10:35] and the web is substantially faster [10:35] caoliver: and those that do not want scratch build usually patiently wait till Pat releases it. Those who want it can and will learn how to make scratch builds [10:35] And you are the one saying everyone must migrate to 64 bit. [10:35] Sigh! [10:36] then here, robby did the hardwork already: http://rlworkman.net/mozilla-firefox/ [10:36] I am just pointing out that some folk might still want to run 32 bit for quite practical reasons. [10:37] That's not saying that I don't run 64. I AM typing this on a 64 bit system, though I need to run a 32 bit VM to build my firewall firmeware. [10:38] ill run 32bit [10:38] Action: acidchild runs 32bit ;x [10:38] i dont see a point in 64 bit [10:38] Bigger bignums.' [10:38] :-D [10:38] if your main concern was about the speed increase, you wouldn't be hacking mozillas binary for a 64-bit system [10:39] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:39] I wanted 64 bit for lisp stuff. [10:40] what are the advantages if you dont have ? gigs of ram [10:40] Action: giant81_ dares Microsoft to scrap 32bit and release windows 7 as only 64bit [10:40] Action: caoliver dares MS to ditch its whole OS division. [10:41] I do have GBs of ram. [10:41] Action: xXChronosXx dares ms to activate its botnet against the nsa's [10:41] caoliver| i have opteron cpus, but only 2gigs of ram [10:42] has anyone ever thought of using virus's like conflicker to install patches that will stop conflicker spreading? [10:42] Giant81| yes [10:42] Actually here: my current free is 2.47gb out of 3.00, so there's not that much trouble. [10:42] but its illegal to do that [10:43] -/+ buffers/cache: 574 1453 [10:43] And yo might get the patch wrong. Think of the Morris worm. [10:47] slowloris! [10:47] slowloris destroys slackware.com [10:48] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:50] bye everyone. have a good evening or whatever that is you're going to have now. :-) [10:50] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] a yesterday [10:51] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:51] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:53] great search feature http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=tor&sv=12.2 [10:54] xXChronosXx, it is great. Look at all of those builds it found. [10:54] lol [10:54] ;) [10:55] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [10:55] What's the name of the graphing calculator included in slackware? I thought for sure there was one called like kplot or something. [10:56] dont know [10:56] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:56] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:56] xcalc [10:56] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:56] :p [10:56] ah yes! [10:56] very good [10:58] x calc is not a graphing calc as far as i can see? [10:58] Meh. I'll just use gnuplot [10:59] hiptobecubic| use your minds eye [11:00] Thought for sure there was a nice gui one included though. [11:00] lennyf (n=lf@220-132-182-120.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] I was going to suggest gnuplot [11:00] What are you graphing? [11:01] huskell (n=frb@p5B0EE27B.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [11:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [11:02] nathanbw| there probably is one [11:02] Just some really simple 2d functions. Gnuplot is really cool, it's just a bit of a pain to use (Home and End keys don't work, but instead print character sequences, stuff like that.) [11:03] saivin (n=saivin@122.166.89.232) joined ##slackware. [11:03] http://freshmeat.net/search?q=graphing+calculator&sort=updated_at&submit=Search&with=&without= [11:03] home/end ?! [11:03] wtf? [11:04] why don't you use a regular text editor and call the script? [11:04] My thoughts exactly. [11:04] Darko (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-c6d88daf54a8dddf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:04] scheme programs writes points to file, and gnuplot displays them. [11:05] s/scheme// [11:05] kyoga (i=0@200.209.164.124) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:05] gnuplot can graph a function without generating all the points in scheme [11:05] I know that. [11:06] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] i know that [11:06] Yeah, when I said simple, I meant really simple (like x+(x*0.1)) I don't feel like calculating a bunch of points, writing them to a file, and the plotting them :-D It's just a moment's curiosity. [11:06] Let's say you were reading some hardware and plotting points. [11:06] then you would use punto [11:07] That'd be trivial. (Punto's news to me.) [11:07] http://freshmeat.net/projects/punto-10 [11:07] Or read the points from the hardware and write a gnuplot script. [11:08] what kind of hardware gives you points lol [11:08] X-Rite densitometer. [11:09] Ok. Series of Y values. [11:09] oh and time is the x dimension YAYORZzzzzzzz [11:09] The X coord is from a step wedge. [11:10] I.e. I'm fiddling in the darkroom with a new developer or film and want to compare with a known film/dev. [11:10] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] sure you are [11:10] I run the darkroom at a small college. Next question? [11:11] this is a question [11:12] xXChronosXx, no it isn't. [11:12] i know? [11:12] No you don't. [11:12] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [11:12] What do you think about this? http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jul-06.html [11:13] blogspam from a twittard [11:13] and m$ fanboy, next [11:13] that ain't critical thinkin' [11:13] i cant be arsed to read some microsoft drivel which will just dissapoint [11:13] At least RMS gives rational arguments [11:13] Much of the time. [11:14] yes, i am often compared to RMS :p [11:15] I think that this blog post could be a reaction to something RMS wrote. [11:15] Still I am skeptical because it does not show up on the Microsoft site. If I do not get it in writing from Microsoft, then do I really get it? [11:16] pi31415: not the blog post but MS's position [11:16] caoliver: ooh, how long you been running the darkroom? [11:16] Understood. [11:16] Past four years. [11:16] http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx [11:16] pi31415: ^^ [11:16] even if you get it from microsoft you wont get it [11:17] look at their track record [11:17] damn, that's fun... film photography is so expensive though :( [11:17] look at PowerShell....then tell me they dont produce shite with hype [11:17] B&W isn't that expensive except for the printing. [11:17] Necos, ihave a perfect view of Forest Lawn lol [11:18] that's what i mean, the paper can get pricey [11:18] Camarade"MICROSOFT AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY OF THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE DOCUMENTS AND RELATED GRAPHICS PUBLISHED AS PART OF THE SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE." -- http://port25.technet.com/pages/termsofuse.aspx [11:18] jeev, wtf are you doing looking at forest lawn? [11:18] they're burying michael jackson there dood [11:18] oh, bleh... [11:18] who? [11:18] magic johnson died? [11:18] lol [11:19] Necos: Have you played with the Fomatone MG at all? [11:19] yea i dont give a rat ass either but the stupid helicopters woke me up [11:19] all 1000 of them [11:19] Eeek. [11:19] oh wait...i saw that alien on the cover of 4 magazines this morning...how did they catch an alien with a human name [11:19] Were they black? [11:20] nope caoliver [11:20] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-63-100.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] pi31415: of course but it's still likely to happen and be made official pretty soon [11:21] i thought they'd stop talking about the alien when he died...guess not [11:21] Camarade_Tux: At that time would it invalidate RMS' point about risk? [11:21] Nice paper, but the 28cm X 36cm runs about $2 US a sheet. [11:22] my theory is he was a survivor of the roswell crash and undercover [11:22] I just started testing it for the students, 'cos they are going to need to use it for an assignment we use to do with another paper which went away when Kodak stopped making paper. [11:22] geez caoliver [11:22] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Our supply just ran out. [11:23] Old fashioned hand colouring with oils. Kinda hokey, but some times it can look good. [11:23] pi31415: check http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8yrtt/miguel_de_icaza_microsoft_promises_to_never_sue/c0av2b4 [11:23] it mostly invalidates it, but everything isn't usable [11:24] pi31415: also read http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8yrtt/miguel_de_icaza_microsoft_promises_to_never_sue/c0av7la [11:24] So they're doing it on 2 [11:24] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Camarade_Tux: sounds like it will cover the stuff bundled with Debian once they split out the stuff not covered by the CP [11:24] err.... 13x18 cm pieces of Foma MG and learning tray processing earlier than before. [11:25] Enough photo geekery from me. [11:25] "The CP applies only if the implementation conforms fully to required portions of the specification. Partial implementations are not covered." [11:25] anyone know how to combat phpize failures in slack? all the google results aru just ubuntu users who didnt instal php5-dev [11:25] saivin (n=saivin@122.166.89.232) left ##slackware. [11:25] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03AC4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Client Quit [11:27] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [11:27] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:27] that's awesome :) [11:28] use bing.. it's the 'deciscion' engine [11:29] Decision [11:29] so instead of searching for things, you tell it what you want and it decides what you should be given [11:29] Thanks. It's a lot of fun, and I'm surprised that the younger folk you'd expect to be all over digital are really interested in traditional photo. For me it's a big change from sysadmining which I really don't want to do again, but fear I'll need to in order to eat. [11:30] I think film photography is a lost art [11:30] properly setting your f stop and shutter speed to get the shot just right [11:31] esb__ (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [11:32] caoliver: i do digital, but every book i've read at this point basically says 4x5 film is where it's at... [11:32] Large format is a bear. [11:32] so i'm looking at getting an F5 to start out... figure it's a good deal at ~2-300 [11:33] Euro? That is good. [11:33] $ [11:33] lol [11:33] slackware.com [11:33] is up [11:33] Cools. [11:33] Necos: where are you? [11:33] no it isn't [11:34] los angeles [11:35] iluminator101 (n=iluminat@69.120.215.236) left ##slackware. [11:35] nope, it isn't here either xXChronosXx [11:35] i live about 30 minutes from jeev >.> [11:35] My traceroute there falls over at 20.78.210.209.in-addr.arpa. 10801 IN PTR sac-main.cwo.com. [11:35] adeodatus (n=rp@92.84.24.53) joined ##slackware. [11:36] You're pretty near Freestyle photo I think then. [11:36] yup same here [11:36] yeah, freestyle is pretty awesome... i've only been there once [11:37] the guys from hackware seem to be attacking slackware [11:37] "for the lulz" [11:37] I ran into them at a photo conference in Chicago three years back. I wanted to put them in my case, and take them home with me. [11:37] Home ::= Traverse City, Michigan. [11:38] suxxorz [11:38] Attacking Pat's site that is. [11:38] adeodatus (n=rp@92.84.24.53) left irc: Client Quit [11:38] lol [11:39] Freestyle is about the only place for weird traditional materials like the eastern European films and papers. [11:39] I usually use B&H for the mainstream stuff. [11:39] Or KEH for used gears. [11:40] But enough photo. [11:40] ;-) [11:40] i've heard mixed reviews about KEH [11:41] damnnit.. i want rid of this slack/phpize error permanently... but this strace is hard to follow [11:42] lennyf (n=lf@220-132-182-120.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [11:42] I've done fairly well there. I got a batch of Mamiya stuff from them. The other used places are even more mixed. The only bad think was a C220F twin lens which had bad frame spacing, and they swapped it quickly. [11:42] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.24.53) joined ##slackware. [11:42] But enough photo. ;-) [11:43] I need coffee! [11:45] lol coke for me, thanks [11:45] anybody know of anyone that uses pure CLI on a laptop as there computing platform? [11:46] I've always been interested if in this day and age, you can use the CLI exclusivly [11:46] Have coke. Need coffee! Coffee monster has spoken. [11:46] /etc/bash_completion in 64-current has not yet been updated for *.txz has it? [11:46] Giant81: yes, you can... but why? [11:46] coffee, coke, it's all the same. Just a caffine delivery system [11:46] I pretty much am a shell guy, but with a bunch of RXVTs. [11:47] But good French press coffee TASTES nicer. [11:47] water joe all the way baby [11:48] nothing more than bottled water with caffine in it [11:48] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:48] does that have any flavor at all? [11:49] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [11:49] That's like taking ethanol in water rather than Champagne. [11:49] Lose! [11:50] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Giant81: What did you mean pure CLI? RXVT+shell, Screen+shell, just a shell? [11:54] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-162-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [11:55] damnnit... i just wasted an hour on that strace... it doesnt tell me anything! [11:56] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [11:58] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) left ##slackware. [11:58] Zordrak: stracing what? [11:58] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [11:59] What are you trying to debug? [11:59] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [12:01] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:01] indeed Zordrak what are you debugging? [12:01] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Success [12:01] installing pecl modules [12:01] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Client Quit [12:01] on slackware.. doing it the normal way always results in "phpize failed" [12:01] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] so on slack you have to use pecl to d/l, then run phpize yourself, then configure, make, make install [12:02] if i can stop phpize dying.. i can do it automatiaclly like everone else [12:02] my interest as soon as i found out what that was died. [12:03] Sorry, Ich Spreche Kein PHP. [12:03] well.. im not writing in it.. im running an app that compiles c for it [12:05] ananke: ping [12:06] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-98.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.88) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:07] nyao~~ [12:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.88) joined ##slackware. [12:16] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.193) joined ##slackware. [12:17] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [12:17] how can is ee how [12:17] how can i see how nfs-utils were compiled [12:18] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:18] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:18] check the slackbuild in source? [12:18] yep [12:19] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:19] i just commented out a line and i want to rebuild it [12:19] hrmf [12:19] here you go jeev [12:19] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/n/nfs-utils/nfs-utils.SlackBuild [12:19] I may have to give up.... im now diffing a manual-install strace vs an auto-install strace... and seeing barely any difference in the end-action [12:19] you can't comment confiure lines, they must be deleted [12:19] no, not config. [12:19] get_exportlist or somethin [12:19] inside the src [12:19] oh, ok [12:19] thrice`, how can i automate this [12:20] What's the differerence between LILO and GRUB? I have only used GUB so far.. [12:20] mv it to tmp/SBO ? [12:20] or, make a patch [12:20] and call the patch in the slackbuild [12:20] hmm [12:20] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] copy the file to file.orig, edit, use diff -u file.orig file >> l33t_patch.diff [12:21] but how do i build it with sbopkg ? [12:21] i have to search for it first? [12:22] I know there are many different ways to manage packages in slackware [12:22] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.154.249) joined ##slackware. [12:22] sbopkg only searches slackbuilds.org, nothing in slackware's repo [12:22] which one do you feel would be the most user friendly for someone starting out with slackware? [12:22] the official way [12:22] Giant81: slackpkg will handle official slackware stuff, and slackbuilds.org for anything not-in-slackware [12:23] ty [12:23] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-109-20.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:23] errr. i can't get to the mirror list at http://www.slackware.com/getslack/... [12:23] I've used debian, Fedora Core, and SuSE ( suse was way back in the day) but I figured I'd like to try slackware [12:24] it times out [12:24] Richlv: slackware.com is dead currently [12:24] thrice`, probably first time in the last few years, just when i need it :) [12:24] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) joined ##slackware. [12:24] been for a long while, too! :( [12:24] anyone use tor [12:25] Giant81: it's a little different, and perhaps a little more "hands-on," but works quite well [12:26] "sbopkg" is a pretty nice tool, too, to do alot of stuff for you, using slackbuilds.org scripts [12:26] first page opened for me after a minute or so, but mirror list is what i'm after [12:26] maybe somebody has address of a fast, stable & complete mirror ? [12:26] especially containing older releases [12:26] slackware.osuosl.org/ [12:26] google "osuosl slackware" [12:28] john_dee (n=id@93.81.119.74) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [12:28] thanks [12:29] as long as it's abit less hands-on than collecting and installing tarballs [12:29] thrice`.. default is nfs3? 4 isn't built? hrmf [12:29] ./configure; make; make install; etc.. [12:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:29] giant81, that's what slackbuilds are for... [12:30] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-98.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] nfs, any idea to see how to check what nfs is using right now? (version) [12:30] i mean thrice heh [12:31] I'm kind of clueless on nfs, as I dont' use it [12:31] looks like the configure script calls that though [12:31] jeev, nfsstat [12:31] (as root) [12:32] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@75-151-58-78-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] ahh fixed it [12:32] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [12:32] yea, too late lol [12:32] thanks though [12:32] i just wanted to not show exportlist [12:32] nfsstat -m for detailed overview of all mounts [12:33] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [12:33] i wanted to hide exportlist from customers, some are l33t [12:33] i dont need them spooforizing LAN ips of other servers and mounting [12:33] spoof/binding lol [12:34] >.> [12:34] necos, he's still in glendale [12:34] _Jim_ (n=Jim@189.2.86.146) left irc: [12:34] they should be giving me tax for driving up in here [12:34] the stupid service starts at 10 [12:35] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl4-205-62.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jeev: umm, you do realize that driving for work is always tax deductible... [12:36] no antiwire, im gonna mafia them and tell them, to drive in my city.. you've gotta pay up [12:36] i'll bill it to michael jackson [12:36] I'd rather do the driving [12:36] get paid to drive, then get paid milage on top of it [12:36] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:37] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:37] while I respect MJ for what he did musicaly, that man was just CREEPY [12:38] i dunno, i dunno if i could believe that shit [12:39] the point is, people knew they could get money out of him if they said he was a molestor [12:39] no parent would let their kids play with him if he really was a molester.. it was all monies [12:39] + his friends and people around him were assholes and idiots with no care whatsoever for him. [12:39] I'm not saying whether he did it or not [12:39] oh, surgeries and color, yea [12:39] I'm just saying he's creepy, irregardless of the molestation charges [12:39] he got his ass kicked a lot when he was young [12:40] mentally he's always came across like a 12yo [12:40] which is probalby why he could relate to kids so well [12:40] yea [12:40] I almost feel sorry for the guy [12:40] well i feel sorry for him [12:40] i wonder if he's gonna be burried at Forest lawn [12:40] got a couple people there [12:41] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:41] is there a way to 'lock' the cli? [12:41] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.51.138.48) joined ##slackware. [12:41] jeev: that's what the news has been talking about today, that's where he'll be buried. [12:41] other than using screen,, I think if I use screen, disconnect my screen session, log out, then log back in later, it would be like 'locking' it [12:42] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:43] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [12:43] no giant81 [12:44] you can block access to what you're running sort of in screen, but you can't really "lock" it [12:44] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@75-151-58-78-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: [12:46] Cann0n_ (i=045b65b1@gateway/web/freenode/x-663b96c4d8a77afd) joined ##slackware. [12:46] hey [12:47] y0 Cann0n_ [12:47] can i get some help on my winmodem? [12:47] lol [12:47] sup fire|bird [12:47] Action: Necos stabs Cann0n_ [12:47] screen locks doesn't it? ^a ^x ? [12:47] hmmm, i need to look at the manpage [12:48] Cann0n_: ugh, winmodem, this is 2009 man. :P [12:48] don't feed the trolls ^^ [12:48] lol [12:48] its the only way i can get online [12:48] Cann0n_: ouch [12:48] lol poor Cann0n_... i almost feel sorry for ya ^_^ [12:48] lol im using my moms macbook... and i fucking hate apple [12:48] I always used a U.S. Robotics external serial port modem, worked great. [12:49] it's all qwerty and different.... [12:49] Cann0n_: you usually use dvorak, don't you? [12:49] yeah. i swapped my keys on my laptop [12:49] wow, qwerty must suck then [12:49] to have to use [12:49] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-74.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:50] yeah lol. the fonts are all blurry and its just shitty compared to what i normally use [12:50] if you've always on qwerty, it isn't bad >.> [12:50] I have an ATI IXP Modem MC97 [12:51] Cann0n_: I've always thought of trying dvorak, there's another one that starts with a c that is suppose to be better yet. [12:51] Coleman [12:51] Cann0n_: oh yeah. ever tried that? [12:51] nope. Dvorak all the way. [12:51] Necos: yeah, that's what I've always used. [12:52] Cann0n_: Well, I got extra keyboards, I'll have to try it. Got a good link for it? (yes, I know I can search for it too). :) [12:52] where the hell do you get a dvorak keyboard anyway? [12:53] loadkeys dvorak [12:53] Necos: They are sold online and stuff. Otherwise, you can just switch your keys around too. [12:53] ohrite... i just rearranged the keys on mine [12:53] no, 'cause that'll confuse the shit outta me >.> [12:53] dvzine.org [12:54] Necos: get a second keyboard an try it. [12:54] Cann0n_: ok, thanks. [12:54] what's the point of going through retraining for a keyboard layout that is hardly ever used in the wild? [12:54] Only switch keytops on a cheapo keyboard. Better ones have keys shaped per-row. [12:54] antiwire: to GET it widely used [12:54] Zordrak: yeah, but you still would have to switch it in the settings too or it'd really be messed up. :P [12:55] antiwire: a challenge? :) [12:55] antiwire: i dont use computers in the wild lol. only mine. but, i cant get internet via dial up (the only thing we have out here) [12:55] fire|bird: this laptop is dvorak when its linux and qwerty when its windows [12:55] Zordrak: nice [12:55] but when its linux its hooked to a dock with a big dell clicky dvorak keyb [12:55] it took me like, a month to learn dvorak to the point were i was typing as fast on qwerty [12:55] I tried to switch to Dvorak in ~2004, but I had too much work to do at the time, and wasted too much time with Hunt and Peck. [12:55] hmmm [12:55] lol [12:56] I have never walked into a single home or business which had any keyboards setup for dvorak [12:56] I'll probably give it a try, I have several keyboards around here. [12:56] is there any entry in /sys that will give me the cpu use? [12:56] y0 Camarade_Tux [12:57] yo fire|bird, how is it going? [12:57] nor have i... but thats besides the point. if everyone wears tight girl pants, i wouldnt because i dont like them [12:57] Camarade_Tux: going great, thanks. :) yourself? [12:57] well, /proc/cpuinfo might be a start [12:57] Qwerty is stupid, to the point of absurdity ... it was designed to make typing more difficult, so as to prevent mechanical typewriters from jamming. [12:57] fire|bird: fine, thanks :) [12:57] so i managed to get slackware installed on my netbook and now i am having bizarre intermittent network issues [12:57] rob0: but once you've used it for so long, it's hard to train yourself otherwise >.> [12:58] as I found [12:58] pretty well mostly off with intermittent sparses of connection [12:58] Cann0n_: At one time, I had a printout of the key layout for dvorak, but I can't find it now. :P [12:58] both wirelessly and through the wired nic [12:58] interesting. rsync over at osuosl gives me "@ERROR: invalid uid rsync" multiple times, then starts working [12:58] Necos: no, it doesn't display what I want (basically 0%, 2%, 100%...à [12:58] Wikipedia has the layout [12:59] fire|bird: dvzine.org has one somewhere. i just rearranged my keys when i converted lol [12:59] rob0: here in France we have Azerty, maybe the worst layout in the world [12:59] m and h are the same on both layouts [12:59] Cann0n_: yeah, that's what I'll do is rearrange the keys, I just need to find the layout again. :P [13:00] so, has anyone here got an ATI winmodem working? [13:00] I'm searching that site you gave me, they have a whole tutorial on converting your keyboard. [13:01] its worth converting. qwerty was made to slow typist down so typewriters wouldnt jam... that was a good enough reason for me! [13:02] Cann0n_: yeah, I'll try it here. I type about 70-80 wpm in qwerty. [13:03] bbiab [13:03] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.80.215) joined ##slackware. [13:03] just remember when you rearrange them, the nipples need to be placed on the home keys [13:03] fascinating... [13:04] touch typing is a bitch when you dont have the dots [13:04] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [13:04] yes, yes it is [13:04] oh, you are talking about keyboards... [13:05] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:05] lol [13:05] >.> [13:06] grr... i need to get my laptop online. this mac shit sucks and i dont want to get used to it [13:07] lol [13:07] are you running slack on the macbook? [13:07] michael jackson aint dead, he's at my house.. we're playing call of duty 4 [13:07] jeev lol [13:07] cnn is streaming and wow, the traffic is horrible [13:08] you aren't gonna be able to go anywhere [13:08] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Success [13:08] Necos: no. im using my moms laptop [13:09] http://www.sigalert.com/Map.asp?Region=Greater+Los+Angeles [13:09] im going to attempt to get my dial up working on my laptop... again (try 6) [13:09] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] there's a kernel module for the modem [13:09] heh [13:09] could you enlighten me a bit? im in the .config now [13:10] i dont think anyone will ever get a turn out like this [13:10] anyone else [13:10] maybe a religious leader.. [13:10] problem is there is no modem in /dev [13:10] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:10] its a lost device. i forgot what all i tired before, [13:10] dalai lama would get massive attendance [13:10] george dubbya would too. of people crying of happiness! [13:11] the module is enadled in my current .config [13:12] would it make a difference if it was a module vs. not? [13:13] wow smokie robinson is speaking, now that is interesting [13:13] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [13:13] Cann0n_: just saying you can modprobe it [13:14] i built it in the kernel [13:15] snd-atiixp-modem not found [13:16] ima build it as a module and try again [13:16] k [13:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-145.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [13:18] i dunno why people are sad about MJ. he died in th mid 90s when he became a white woman pedophile [13:20] fuck! fsck kicked in on reboot.... [13:20] Cann0n_: ok, I'll remember to get the nipples in the right place. :P [13:20] I didn't know they were adjustable. :P [13:21] you can use glue by dabbing a drop on with a toothpick [13:21] ok, that's a good idea. [13:22] i still glance at my hands. i always have. i also dont use my pinky fingers [13:22] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] what dvzine has is a sticker you can either order or print out and stick over the keys, but it still gives the right layout, so I should be good to go. [13:23] yeah, i just love the shock factor when people look at my laptop [13:23] I could never rearrange the keys in the keyboard I'm on right now, these keys are different sizes, it's an M$ Comfort Curve. [13:24] Cann0n_: lol, yeah. "How the heck am I suppose to type in this thing?" :P [13:24] they think it came like that... "wow ive never seen a laptop like that! i bet it's awesome!" [13:24] lol yep [13:24] http://www.asl.dsl.pipex.com/symbolics/photos/IO/keyboard-9647.jpg [13:25] Cann0n_: I'll work on it in a bit and let you know how it goes. :) [13:25] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl195-164.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:25] user8902 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Yesterday I could login into the slackbox with putty and an ssh-key. Today I can't. So I went to the box's keyboard and I can't even ssh localhost (key denied). How can this be? There no sshd update. [13:26] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-71-248-55-100.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Something messed up in /etc/ssh? [13:27] or /etc/hosts [13:27] Or your dns? [13:27] things dont change by itself. you did something...maybe even days ago. changes that are made won't be applied until you restart the system or daemon. [13:27] nick4 will have to get in somehow and find out what's wrong. [13:27] try shelling in again with verbose ode [13:28] mode [13:28] did a dog chew on a cable? [13:28] "I didn't change anything, and from the moment I didn't, nothing worked anymore." [13:28] lol [13:29] At least nick4 has narrowed it down to a few hundred possibilities, so we don't have to guess. ;) [13:29] key denied [13:30] maybe he's using the wrong key [13:30] or a MITM ... or ... [13:30] Is there anything in /var/log/security on slackbox that's useful? [13:30] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Don't MITM attempts produce a nasty big display on the client? [13:31] depends how good/successful it is, I suppose :) [13:32] nothing should be in the middle...that's the bigger implication [13:32] I usually get bitten by those if I'm playing with VMs, and have several that have the same IP, but different /etc/ssh contents. [13:32] Agree. [13:32] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Action: unixfool knocks on nick4's head [13:33] nick4: hello [13:35] gotta love how people ask for help then disappear [13:35] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] help! [13:35] xXChronosXx (n=xXChrono@c-98-230-189-247.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:36] lol [13:36] :) [13:36] (And the help sought is impossible to provide, with no information given.) [13:36] lol...yep [13:37] I need some help... [13:37] Let me show you the exit. [13:37] i already knew that [13:37] lol [13:37] heh [13:37] so, if ttySx doesn't have my modem linked to it, and there is no /dev/modem, but the module is loaded... what do i do? [13:37] Cann0n_: hit it with a hammer [13:38] man, i haven't messed with a modem in like 11 yrs [13:38] heh [13:38] Edit the /etc/rc.d/rc.modules I think. [13:38] there's one in my laptop.. its gotten used 0 times. [13:38] well, messed with port authority but that's a bit different [13:38] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [13:38] yeah... lol its either i get it to work, not use the internet at home, or use my moms Mac [13:38] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.24.53) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] yeah, if i go overseas, i'm royally screwed [13:39] How is the Mac connected to the i'net? [13:39] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.193) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:40] dial up [13:40] I'm wondering if there's some sort of NAT thing you can do provided the Mac's on broadband. [13:40] Oh! [13:40] OK. [13:40] lol [13:41] Now you know the shoe size of my mouth. [13:41] i never got dial up working on linux. never needed to until now [13:41] lol [13:41] I've not done Linux dial-up since my ISP days. [13:41] this is a winmodem [13:42] user8902 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-51-28.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:42] I understand. Those were just coming into being. People stuck Supras on the lappies with winmodems. [13:42] sorry rob0, I went AFK with a phonecall [13:43] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [13:43] Still no coffee. I may be back. [13:43] Or comatose. [13:43] do i need slmodemmd? [13:44] 23Moo [13:44] ? [13:45] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [13:45] blah. this MJ shit is getting on my nerves. why did i agree to tape it? [13:46] respect? [13:46] :) [13:46] people on CNN talking about the time they bout a MJ record... [13:46] im watching the hulu/fox feed [13:47] yeah but i dont see how a creepy white woman that used to be the king of pop makes everyone cry...no one cried when he got in trouble for touching little boys... except maybe the little boy [13:48] Cann0n_: that right there is the problem. There was a court case.. nothinghappened.. who cares. What i care about is the effect his music and performance had on me and the rest of the world [13:48] if it werent for him, music would be very different now [13:48] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-71-248-55-100.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:48] Dialup with a real modem is not that difficult. The only difference with a winmodem is the kernel driver. [13:48] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [13:48] yeah, but he died in the mid 90's [13:49] rob0: im DLing smatlink [13:49] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-63-100.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:49] damn you hulu MORE BANDWIDTH! [13:49] Another thing about MJ's big news stories in the 90's and so on, is that it's a good idea to take what you read/hear in the news with some skepticism. His friends believed him and stuck with him. [13:50] true dat [13:50] don't believe everything you hear/read [13:50] this dude says he got this one working and had to use smlink [13:50] the media is a mutherfscker nowadays [13:50] lakan (n=sdafgas@c-4f66561e-74736162.cust.telenor.se) joined ##slackware. [13:51] truer still.. Thriller sold more than twice as many times worldwide than the second biggest selling album [13:51] my gf doesnt believe he had plastic surgoery [13:51] lol [13:51] dunno about that one [13:51] Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous didn't just change a generation.. they changed several generations [13:52] No doubt MJ was a hurting and unhealthy guy. Bad self image. [13:52] he sure had that moonwalk down [13:53] yeah, and we should all be wearing jackets with 20 zippered pockets (for our geek gadgets) [13:53] MJ is shadowing the other people who died recently... [13:53] Cann0n_: dont be a hater.. be a lover :) [13:53] farrah died before he did and she got shadowed [13:54] With 1/4th that many pockets I begin to lose things in them. [13:54] he overshadowed everyone [13:54] billy, farrah, ed, and the 2 others [13:54] rob0: lol [13:54] farrahs impact on the world < 1e98 * MJ world impact [13:54] anyone knows an easy way to upgrade glibc_2.3.6 to atleast glibc_2.4 ? [13:54] Camarade_Tux (n=tux@80.13.211.241) left irc: "leaving" [13:54] yeah.lol [13:54] C_Tux (n=adrien@kami.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:54] ed mcmahon and some other prominent guy (90+ yr old) [13:54] But Billy! No one could yell like that!! [13:54] oops...you said ed already [13:55] project [13:55] Cann0n_: I'm working on the dvorak converstion now. The keyboard I'm using is perfect, all same size keys, etc. :) [13:55] Carl Malden I think his name was [13:55] i didn't know billy was that young [13:55] Hey, Ed's whole career was as a sidekick, why should he be a star when dead? :) [13:55] He hosted Star Search [13:56] he did quite a bit by himself, from what i understand [13:56] s/career/claim to fame/ [13:56] would have been nothing without Johnny [13:56] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl195-164.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:56] indeed [13:56] Mikey and Billy where both humans... why does one get a 60 million person audience, and the other doesnt? [13:57] billy didnt moon walk or touch little boys... and his son isnt named Blanket.... [13:57] hmmm, I think we need a Pearly Gates joke about these folks [13:57] anyone knows an easy way to upgrade glibc_2.3.6 to atleast glibc_2.4 [13:58] 60 million fan(boys) who don't know you don't really matter [13:58] oh i like all the new kde screen effects... and look ma no compiz [13:58] i heard they are donated the 90% of plastic in MJs body to make legos for orphans of the netherland ranch [13:58] VampirePenguin: resource hog [13:59] actually not at all.. not any noticeable cpu usage [13:59] lakan: no, update your os [13:59] on on machine i have 3gb ram anyway and is only using 400mb [14:00] VampirePenguin: 400mb is still a shit load lol [14:00] how do I tell how much ram slackware is using from cli? [14:00] thrice:isnt it any easy kernel setup or something ? [14:00] Cann0n_, as far as the pedophile issue with MJ, he had his day in court. that's enough for me [14:00] thats almost double my ram [14:00] unuesd ram is wasted ram [14:00] i avg that b4 these effects [14:00] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:00] no way in hell a system should constantly be using 3gb of ram [14:00] are you telling me compiz doesn't use anything? [14:00] its not compiz [14:00] its kde [14:01] it has compiz like effects [14:01] oh. i misunderstood look ma [14:01] fluxbox ftw! [14:01] Cann0n_: ++ :) [14:01] unixfool: easy, I have systems constantly using 128gb of ram [14:01] unixfool, ive hit 2500gb ram used plus swap but i was doing a couple vms and a mess load of screens open [14:02] i dont usually break the 500mb level [14:02] 2 words, SQL Server [14:02] and running compiz at the same time? [14:02] Cann0n_: On that dvzine sticker pdf, what's the key right under the 1 ? [14:02] Hey unixfool, how's it going? [14:02] Giant81, seriously... wow [14:02] for some reason, you two don't seem to be the typical user. enterprise is a whole different story [14:02] ' [14:02] hiya fire|bird [14:02] fire|bird: '/" [14:03] sql server is worthless unless it's eating it all, and that's a good thing [14:03] and if not enterprise, certainly you're doing much more than others here [14:03] anyone know the best way to increase glibc version ? [14:03] fire|bird: thats the " key [14:03] yeah, if that system is dedicated to sql only [14:03] but i think you know what i was getting at [14:03] lakan, -current has a diff glibc than 12.2 [14:03] Cann0n_: ok, I thought so, but wasn't quite sure. Thanks. [14:04] lakan: again, glibc isn't something that can be easily updated [14:04] hey fire|bird [14:04] it depends on the kernel, the toolchain, etc. to all by in sync [14:04] Hello VampirePenguin [14:04] if you change glibc you cant compile your old programs [14:04] stuff swill start breaking all over [14:05] thrice : hehe ye i know its not easy , but it should be possible to update to a new one and keep the old one for the already installed programs [14:06] VampirePenguine: so the best way is to reinstall all :( [14:06] its a main tool kit [14:06] unixfool: I also rn GNS3, that eats ram alot [14:06] u cant just change one piece of it it is all integrated [14:06] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:07] it would be diff if say oh i like this vers of python and have 3-4 on your box [14:07] its not a main tool [14:08] Giant81: you obviously aren't the typical Linux desktop user, as I said earlier [14:08] ok , thx =) [14:08] kde4 has so many changes, there a new txz protocol, new ext4 available... development is going to kde4.x > 3.5 is dead [14:09] i seem to remeber dcop is not used in kde4 [14:09] i could be wrong [14:09] x isdifferent [14:09] man u could go on [14:10] unixfool: hehe, as if linux users were 'typical' [14:10] Cann0n_: conversion complete. :) [14:10] VampirePenguin: nope, correct. [14:10] Giant81: all products usually have a general user base, even linux [14:11] BP{k}, corect what? [14:11] evenin guys [14:11] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:11] no dcop in KDE4. [14:11] dive: wotcha. [14:11] Hi dive, how's it going? [14:11] i think its just dbus [14:11] Heya BP{k}. How are you? [14:11] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] i also said 'typical linux desktop user', as VampirePenguin mentioned compiz, which is when I responded. I doubt a general linux user is even going to have 128gb or above [14:12] the 128gb of ram was on an IBM server [14:12] bingo [14:12] blade? [14:12] 4x 3.xx ghz quad core xeons, 128gb ram, [14:12] i want to say System X 3750 [14:12] thats fast [14:13] Action: Giant81 wants to run distributed.net on it [14:13] it's a beast [14:13] we have 6 of them with 3x more comming [14:13] though I think the new ones are 4x 6 core CPU's for a grand total of 24 3ghz cores [14:14] fire|bird: not bad thanks :), you? [14:14] where can i get smartlink? [14:14] distributed.net labels threads by letters 'a','b','c' etc... anyone know what happens if they run out? [14:14] i cant make it. i gotta get this modem working [14:15] BP{k}: doing great, thank you. :) [14:15] Cann0n_, there should be plenty of tutorials on the web to get winmodems working in linux [14:15] theres a specific winmodem project around [14:15] Cann0n_: eh, this keyboard may not be the best comfort whise, although the keys are the same size, they're different angles. :P [14:16] s/whise/wise/ [14:16] unixfool: they either point or smlink/slmodem, or nothing at all [14:17] im hoping i can get a build or .tgz of slmodem, since im having issues compiling from source. [14:17] fire|bird: yeah, its odd t first, but once you get used to it, you wont want to go back... [14:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:18] lakan (n=sdafgas@c-4f66561e-74736162.cust.telenor.se) left irc: [14:18] i was going to check aliens repo but its down [14:18] Cann0n_: where is the | key at? It doesn't specify on that sticker, so I assume it stays where it is. [14:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.51.138.48) joined ##slackware. [14:19] your mom's Mac is connected to the network how? [14:19] modem too? [14:19] fire|bird: same place. under bckspc [14:19] Cann0n_: use my mirror [14:19] unixfool: i am out in the woods. the only internet we have is dial up [14:19] i didn't word that right [14:19] http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/ [14:20] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:20] unixfool: iMac at home I have has a network jack [14:20] thanks alienBOB [14:20] and a modem [14:20] piggyback off of her Mac's connection? [14:21] Cann0n_: ok, thanks. On this keyboard, it's to the right of the right shift due to an oversized enter key. [14:21] Action: unixfool hears dueling banjos [14:21] Action: unixfool waits for 'purty mouf' comments [14:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [14:21] squeel like a pig! [14:21] i duno how to piggy back like that [14:22] Cann0n_: now to just tell slack I'm trying dvorak. :P [14:22] im not all good with networks that involve more than one computer lol [14:22] it may be a better option than trying to get a winmodem to work [14:22] fire|bird, doing great thanks - yourself? [14:22] or go out and find an external modem [14:22] craigslist [14:22] BP{k}, wotcha mate [14:23] I heard craigslist was full of weirdos [14:23] i have no money [14:23] maybe if you're talking about the adult section [14:23] lol [14:23] heh [14:24] dive: doing great, thank you. [14:24] Cann0n_, you'll figure something out [14:24] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Action: unixfool has never trusted winmodems, even when there was code to get them working [14:25] i thought i had a spare modem around here (pci card) [14:25] bsdprep3 (n=itezzie3@rrcs-67-78-222-89.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] hi all [14:25] i just cant find a fucking working source of slmodem... [14:25] hey, try linuxquestions.org [14:26] search before you post, though [14:26] i got modem problem on this T42 - there's no serial port for an external and slmodem seems to work but it doesn't dial out [14:26] KERNEL_DIR is set right... but it still says drivers error [14:26] wondering if it's kaked [14:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] unixfool: ive been on linuxquestions, google, etc since i logged on irc lol [14:26] ? if im using makepkg to make a .tgz file and the file needs to compile with ./configure --enable-stuff, how do i add that in the makepkg command?? [14:26] im asking here because i cant find it [14:27] bsdprep3: you build the program first and then package it... [14:27] bsdprep3, you don't - you run that during the ./configure [14:27] Cann0n_, what i'm saying is post a help request on LQ (don't just search) [14:27] Dvru (n=ipei@201.47.38.246.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:27] unixfool: i posted something once and it took 4 months to get a reply... [14:27] bsdprep3: makepkg is for building packages from a structured directory [14:27] im not looking to wait until xmas to get on dial up with my laptop lol [14:28] adeodatus (n=rp@92.84.24.53) joined ##slackware. [14:28] what makes you think the same thing won't happen in here? [14:28] lol [14:28] i found a few threads of the same think and there isnt much help there. asking there would be redundant [14:28] Cann0n_: what happened when you tried the moprobe version? [14:28] s/think/thing/ [14:28] antiwire, so i use that after i installed the program? [14:28] it loaded the module [14:29] bsdprep3: no [14:29] everyone stop what you're doing, Cann0n_ needs help and can't wait [14:29] actively posting and waiting is better than just relying for input in ##slackware, imo [14:29] but still doesn't act like its lost [14:29] bsdprep3: you using it after the program has been built and arranged in a directory structure for packaging [14:29] bsdprep3: read http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script please [14:29] TehsExor (n=TehsExor@c-24-126-162-214.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] shit...i'd be cutting grass like a mutha just so i could buy a modem [14:30] yeah, need money to buy a mower [14:30] you're in the woods! you guys don't cut grass?? [14:30] i stood on the corner the other evening with my sign, but it wasnt worth the 1.29 i made in 3 hours [14:31] unixfool: id have to use scissors, since thats the biggest sharp thing i have [14:31] Cann0n_, sign? 'Hungry, Cold, Need a Modem.' ;) [14:31] most homes in the woods have mowers [14:32] unixfool: my dad has a riding mower, but how do i get it to place to place? need gas, which is 12 miles to nearest store [14:32] this winmodem is in a laptop, i take it? [14:32] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [14:32] antiwire, thanks [14:33] unixfool: yeah [14:33] hrmm...then the modem that I have isn't going to help you [14:34] someone here may have a real modem that they'd be willing to give to you [14:34] itd have to be usb lol [14:34] someone gave me a 5.25" floppy drive maybe six years ago [14:34] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:34] from this channel [14:34] bsdprep3 (n=itezzie3@rrcs-67-78-222-89.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] Nick change: Dvru -> dvru [14:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:35] smlink.com is no longer there... which is the main place all the forums link me to... >< [14:35] soon as i get enough money to buy a gun, ima take out the makers of winmodems [14:36] bbl...gonna run to wegmans and grab a mess of sushi [14:37] Cann0n_, you looked at pcmcia modems at all? [14:37] Cann0n_: I recall that in the 2.6 kernel, the closedsource smartlink driver is not needed, and that you can use the snd_intel8x0m driver. [14:38] dive: my mmc card reader doesnt work so i doubt my pcmcia slot will work [14:38] alienBOB: thx [14:38] However Slackware blacklists that driver by default in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [14:39] alienBOB, hmm interesting - onna try it [14:39] snd-intel8x0m it is btw [14:39] alienBOB: would i have to reconfi my current kernel .config? [14:41] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:41] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [14:42] k well ima try it out. take a break. ive probably spend 40 hours on this issue [14:42] 40 hours, wow. s/break/drink/ :P [14:42] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-181-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:43] in 40 hours you could have made 17 dollars with your sign [14:45] Cann0n_: imagine all the lawns you could get done if you had the mower from Home Improvement with the jet engine on it. :) [14:45] yeah i know right [14:45] you'd be done in no time. [14:46] brb [14:46] Jeanne-Kamikaze (n=Jeanne-K@225.Red-212-170-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] what's up with www.slackware.com ? [14:46] ... [14:46] DoS ? [14:46] Jeanne-Kamikaze: read the topic [14:46] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:47] :D [14:47] antiwire: If we only got money for every time someone's asked that the past few days, we'd be rich. :P [14:47] wait yay! [14:47] lol [14:47] anyway, why is it down ? [14:47] Cann0n_: it works? [14:47] i found a slmodem source that works! [14:47] Cann0n_: awesome [14:47] ima make install it too [14:47] Jeanne-Kamikaze: Why does that matter? It's down and the reason doesn't really matter for end users. [14:48] Cann0n_: I'm converting my 3rd keyboard to dvorak. :) [14:48] just so i can fool with it. ima text alienBOB's solution real quick. brb [14:48] Dvru (n=ipei@201.47.38.246.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "CyberScript - até o Lula usa (www.cyberscript.org)" [14:48] fire|bird: good deal. hope you take kind to it [14:48] Cann0n_: You might want to post that link in all the forums and in here... [14:48] Don' you think? [14:48] Cann0n_: I think I will. [14:49] just need to get the hang of it. [14:49] antiwire: it does matter ? [14:49] Jeanne-Kamikaze: rumor has it that it is a hardware failure, but frankly noone seems to know [14:49] I was planning to download the latest iso [14:49] Jeanne-Kamikaze: is that a statement or a question? [14:49] Jeanne-Kamikaze: the mirrors aren't affected... [14:49] it's a statement [14:50] Jeanne-Kamikaze: you can download from any mirror [14:50] Jeanne-Kamikaze: there are no ISOS at slackware.com anyway [14:50] orly [14:50] is latest version 12.1 ? [14:50] ah, 12.2 [14:50] man your topic does have information :) [14:50] 12.2 and 13rc1 [14:51] Cann0n_ (i=045b65b1@gateway/web/freenode/x-663b96c4d8a77afd) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [14:52] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:55] Jeanne-Kamikaze: gotta read it sometimes ^_^ [14:55] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] Administrador (n=Administ@190.19.196.225) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Nick change: Administrador -> gonza [15:02] macavity, 2 days of using kde 4.2.4 with those intel changes... not one problem or lockup or crash... u da man [15:02] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl12-70.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:03] mm just use xfce :P [15:03] hello everyone [15:03] yo [15:03] long time no talk [15:06] heya Lord_Khelben [15:06] :) hello Necos [15:06] yosi_ (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Hey Lord_Khelben [15:07] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] heya fire|bird ^^ [15:07] Hey Necos [15:07] ah fire|bird is here too :) [15:07] how goes it you two? [15:07] Necos: goes great, thanks. you? [15:08] someone decided slackware was too popular and needed a DDoS to put it in its place [15:08] workin [15:08] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] probably the yeti [15:09] lol [15:09] it was a dos ? [15:09] Nick change: yosi_ -> brklynRednek [15:10] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.206) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Lord_Khelben: nobody really knows for sure. there's been talk here that it's hardware issues, but who knows. [15:10] ah ok [15:10] FOUND A JOB FOUND A JOB FOUND A JOB [15:10] brklynRednek: \o/ [15:11] fire|bird, exactly [15:11] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:11] i must have given them bad luck then. yesterday my box crashed and it took me some time to find what it was [15:11] someone was crazy enough to let me drive another heavy truck [15:11] fortunately it was a bad dimm [15:11] Lord_Khelben: It's been down for a while now. [15:12] brklynRednek: haha, those poor suckers. :P [15:12] i mainly visit the ftp which is up and so i didn't notice it till i came here and read the topic [15:15] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [15:16] slackware.com is not being DoS'ed, DDoS'ed, or compremised. [15:16] obviously not [15:17] it would be a sacrilege/blasphemy/etc to dos slackware.com :) [15:17] CRG (n=chris@cpe-66-69-57-62.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:17] it would be exceptionally stupid [15:18] CRG: a fellow SATx user? [15:18] i wouldnt really care if i got in trouble with the entire ubuntu crowd... but getting in trouble with the slackware crowd requres a new identity and some serious plastic surgery :P [15:19] hahaha :) [15:19] like your mesa3d-dev post? that one made me laugh ;) [15:19] "We do offer DESTDIR you n00b!!! gtfo" [15:19] even without these consequences, what would you/anyone gain by the dos. its lame/mean [15:19] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:20] thrice`: well, since you are so clever, have you found out if it is Mesa or gmake that offeres DESTDIR? [15:20] psh, who cares? it's autotools, and it works. looking into it further just causes headaches ;() [15:21] the funny thing is that DESTDIR exists in every xorg component [15:21] ... and slackbuilds documentation says "grep for DESTDIR".. so i figure that somewhere someone would actually like to know [15:22] not sure why pat still patches it, though :\ maybe rworkman fail :> [15:22] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [15:23] i guess Pat hasnt observed that DESTDIR works... [15:25] suppose it doesn't matter much anyway [15:25] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] ok, the demos does not get installed [15:26] which slackbuild are you referring to (if i am not becoming nosy) [15:26] if one compiles a package, by downloading source and make install [15:27] then one wants to clean up and remove everything the make install created [15:27] how would one do it? [15:27] would make uninstall remove everything from the make install? [15:27] dustybin: if you still have the source you can try make uninstall [15:28] but it is not a clean uninstall and not all sources have a uninstall target [15:28] Lord_Khelben: does it depend on how it was created? ie some are clean, some are not [15:28] make uninstall is your only shot; the proper way is to create a package [15:28] right ok [15:28] ok [15:28] dustybin: it depends on the package and what it installs [15:28] right so that could be random [15:28] dustybin: you pray to the gods that the authors did not goof up their build system [15:28] it's for this reason that packaging exists ;) [15:28] the proper way is to use make DESTDIR=/foo and make a package [15:28] haha i see [15:28] read a slackbuild for more info how to do it [15:29] ok thanks [15:29] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [15:29] ( i am actually using lfs at the moment, but i will move onto slack soon) [15:29] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:29] thrice`: ah, ok, there is not install target in the xdemos/Makefile :P [15:29] s/not/no/ [15:29] nope, so a couple of the bins need it [15:30] glx*, but those can be installed manually [15:30] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-132-192.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] in that case Patrick's patch is redundant [15:31] install -m 755 progs/xdemos/glx* $PKG/usr/bin would do :) [15:31] TehsExor (n=TehsExor@c-24-126-162-214.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:31] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] TehsXOR (n=TehsXOR@c-24-126-162-214.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] or just glx{gears,info} [15:35] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:35] ok, glxcontext is a funny app... [15:36] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [15:37] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-136-184.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:42] adeodatus (n=rp@92.84.24.53) left irc: Client Quit [15:43] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] rhys (n=quassel@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.105.227) joined ##slackware. [15:46] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:47] slava_dp (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:05] cann0n (i=045b64fb@gateway/web/freenode/x-82767dab57f38da1) joined ##slackware. [16:05] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [16:06] well... i connected my moms usb dial up modem. i could connect but it dropped me after a few seconds... NO CARRIER [16:06] lol your phonelines fail? [16:06] cann0n: haha. [16:06] no im on it now but on the mac book [16:06] lol yeah i know [16:07] i just cant figure out dial up on linux [16:07] Necos: s/phonelines/cann0n/ :P [16:07] cann0n: I got a keyboard converted to dvorak that is perfect, same size keys, no different angles or anything. :) [16:08] ttyACM0 is the only way i could get anything... via the usb modem [16:08] good deal [16:08] i got frisky and popped my keys off my laptop lol [16:08] cann0n: I just have to set slackware for dvorak [16:08] haha, to switch to dvorak or just for fun? :P [16:08] both lol [16:09] haha [16:09] so, how could i sap internet from dial up on a mac to my laptop using wifi? [16:10] O.o [16:10] go to starbucks or something [16:10] im 36 miles to the nearest public AP [16:10] Hmm, I found this on LQ from 2004, does this still work or is there a better way? setxkbmap -model 102 -layout dvorak [16:11] im not asking to piss people off... im asking because im tired of the only internet access i got is thru a shitty mac book [16:11] and dial-up no less. :P [16:11] cann0n: what's wrong with mac books? [16:11] y0 thumbs [16:11] fire|bird: loadkeys dvorak.map [16:11] fire|bird: hola [16:12] cann0n: ok, and if I need to switch back, loadkeys qwerty.map? [16:12] thumbs: how's it going? laptop still working good now? [16:12] yeah, thanks [16:12] fire|bird: us.map [16:12] the battery is in great shape [16:12] cann0n: ah, ok. thanks. If I start typing random characters, you know what happened. :P [16:13] fire|bird: thinking of saving for a mbp [16:13] cann0n: does that setting span across logout's login's etc. [16:13] thumbs: nice. [16:14] thumbs: i hate them. there is no page up/down. no delete (traditional), home, end, and they keys are small. its on qwerty keymap, its on a MUH smaller screen... no cd player, the GUI options lack too much, i use fluxbox (going on 7 or 8 years) and i hate where it puts minimized windows [16:14] ok.. lets see if Gallum blows up.. [16:14] >.> [16:15] boom [16:15] fire|bird: no, unless you change the default layout, which i do during install [16:15] Action: Necos sabotages macavity [16:15] cann0n: ok. [16:15] cann0n: well, here goes. *gulp* :) [16:15] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:15] lol good luck [16:16] thanks :) [16:16] cann0n: Hmm, I ran that and I get: Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console [16:16] and keys are still the same. [16:17] do I run that as normal user (like I did) or as root? [16:17] try sudoing it [16:17] ok [16:17] Well, I didn't get that message, but keys are the same. [16:17] hmm [16:18] loadkeys only works on a tty. are you running X ? [16:18] don't do it on xterm/konsole/etc [16:18] Lord_Khelben: Ah, yes, I am. [16:18] what keyboard layout do you use ? [16:18] if you use the us map it has a dvorak variant [16:18] he's going from qwerty to dvorak [16:18] Is there a way to do it from X, or should I drop X, run it, and then start x [16:18] Lord_Khelben: yes, us qwerty [16:18] you can use setxkbmap -variant dvorak, [16:19] Hmm, ok, I'll try that. [16:19] thanks [16:19] open a xterm first [16:19] and run setxkbmap -variant basic, [16:19] hmm. woops lol yeah try that [16:19] cann0n: I see what you mean by needing the little things on the two home row keys, it's weird without those there. [16:19] so that if you can't get used to the keys go to that terminal press the up key and run that command again [16:19] cann0n: you fail. :P [16:19] and it will go back to qwerty [16:20] Lord_Khelben: ok, awesome. thanks. [16:20] lol [16:20] if you do a lot of coding there is programmer's dvorak or you can try colemak which is also good [16:21] I don't do much coding aside from html, css, etc. here and there. not a lot. [16:21] lol yeah. i went to dvorak and never went back. so, thats where i become useless. lol cant remember how i did it without setting it up as the default when i installed slack [16:21] coding dvorak? hmmm [16:21] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:22] i was using colemak for a time because i found it difficult to code with dvorak's placement but i went back to qwerty now [16:23] why back to qwerty? [16:23] friends call me now and then to fix their computer or something and it took me hours to type to qwerty :P [16:23] i forgot it [16:23] there is even a one handed dvorak [16:23] i used to type qwerty with one hand back in the D2 days [16:23] on a qwerty keyboard, qwerty sure is easy to spell. :P [16:23] dvorak/colemak and microsoft natural 4000 keyboard rule though [16:24] Lord_Khelben: I'm on a M$ Wireless Comfort Keyboard. [16:24] 4000 [16:24] let me see what mine says [16:24] "microsoft natural ergonomic keyboard 4000 v1.0" [16:25] best cheap ergonomic keyboard [16:25] i wanted to try a maltron and such stuff but even on ebay they cost 200-300$ [16:25] >.> [16:25] alright, I'm on dvorak now [16:25] that's more than what i spent to upgrade my box at home [16:26] someone know how to solve a problem like this The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. [16:26] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.146) joined ##slackware. [16:26] when i try to load gens [16:26] from console [16:26] fire|bird: http://www.maltron.com/images/keyboards/maltron-usb-dual-l90-uk-mac-qwerty-gray-1-large.jpg [16:26] this is going to take nome getting used to [16:26] some [16:27] crap, my first mistake [16:27] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:27] Lord_Khelben: ok, thanks [16:27] fire|bird: do you have print a visual guide for the dvorak ? [16:28] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:28] ouch man... i suck at building Gallium :P [16:28] what happened ? [16:28] cann0n: I can see how this is nicer than qwerty [16:28] http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6742 [16:28] Lord_Khelben: everything blew up.. [16:29] Lord_Khelben: I have a little diagram [16:29] anyhows.. i think i will contemplate the finer details of my experince while i go for a big nasty burger :-) [16:29] yea. all the major keys you use are clustered better. vowels on the left. the most common keys are on the stronger fingers... [16:29] 300 woods on the middle row with qwerty. 3000 with dvorak. less travelling of the fingers means less strain [16:29] interesting... i need to get my hands on one of those lol [16:30] is this the dvorak over qwerty again? [16:30] cann0n: yeah, it'll just take some getting used to [16:31] macavity: well, it's something to do while you're bored, at least [16:31] playing with keymaps, that is [16:31] a disadvantage of dvorak is when you also use another layout, like me using the greek too but in general it is way better [16:31] I'm alot slower right now, but with practice, it'll get better [16:32] well, for me typing in japanese, that'd be a huge pain [16:32] nheco_ (n=nheco_nh@201.66.189.173) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Necos: qwerty vs dvorak == emacs vs vi :P [16:32] I'm trying to touch type still [16:32] macavity: haha [16:32] fire|bird: ktouch is your freind [16:33] and aspell is mine.. apparently [16:33] macavity: hmm, I'll check that out, thanks [16:33] macavity: not really... its more like high heels vs sneakers with gelled soles in them for extra comfort [16:34] cann0n: sure.. emacs vs vi :P [16:34] nheco (n=nheco_nh@200-96-102-213.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:34] fire|bird: slack comes with a typing app for kde [16:34] if i boot up in single user mode, the root partition is mounted read-only? [16:34] macavity: nice, that looks like exactly what I need now [16:34] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.105.227) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] macavity: you beat me to it [16:35] fire|bird: oh, and the format for making new exercises is *dead easy* [16:35] gosh, I type slow now :P [16:35] fire|bird: so, say you wish to practice programming, you just take a random kernel driver and add the line break makes to it :P [16:35] fire|bird: there is also a cli type tutor just for dvorak. i like it the best. less flashy more to the point. but the best thing for it is irc [16:36] macavity: ok, thanks [16:36] im picked up qwerty again in a few hours... since this michael jackson shit blew up the tv [16:36] fire|bird: google dvorakng [16:37] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [16:37] fire|bird: or get some random text.. the english version is pretty borring because it is "only exercise".. at least the danish version has some real text (a touch typing book went out of copyright, so they could use the text in ktouch) [16:37] cann0n: yeah, that site you gave me has some practice things too [16:38] gtypist also has dvorak touch typing lessons [16:38] this will be great once I get the hang of it [16:38] bbl [16:38] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.24.53) joined ##slackware. [16:38] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:39] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-74.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [16:39] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] gzamora (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [16:39] ktouch looks perfect for practice [16:40] tank-man: i don't think so. it would be mounted read-write [16:41] Lord_Khelben, do you know the lilo option at boottime to make root readonly? is it root=ro ? [16:41] i think it is plain ro [16:41] without root= [16:41] cann0n: thank gosh the function keys didn't change. :P [16:41] but the initscripts will again mount it readwrite at some point [16:42] xmodmap fixes that if need be :) [16:42] why do people spend a lot of their lifes installing and removing packages? [16:42] i know exactly what i want on my server [16:43] that means i dont need a package manager [16:43] i want to learn every detail about the few packages i do use [16:43] if i never removed anything i would still have my first PC with win98 on it ;9 [16:44] ive come to the point where i know exactly what i like [16:44] i have made a list of all the packages i will use [16:45] its better to learn a few packages inside out rather than installing a shit load of junk IMO [16:45] slava_dp (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left ##slackware. [16:45] slackware will go on my future server [16:45] agreed. but you cant install them without a package manager. enter pkgtools [16:47] gonza: does the program crash ? this is a common message and usually doesn't cause anything bad [16:47] cann0n: nah, they are fine how they are. [16:48] ktouch seems really nice. [16:48] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [16:49] gzamora (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] cann0n: well, this will certainly be a challenge. :) [16:56] lol [16:56] its worth it [16:57] cann0n: it will keep my brain working [16:58] Lord_Khelben: wow, that is some keyboard. [16:58] fire|bird: :) [16:58] after about 8 hours you will start getting the hang of it. it took me a month to get it down real good [16:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:59] cann0n: I love this layout, I just have to get more familiar with it. [16:59] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [17:01] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl12-70.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:03] cann0n: yeah, I'll stick with it, just need more practice. [17:03] fire|bird: the hard part about it is getting used to not moving your fingers 10 miles per paragraph [17:03] cann0n: haha, yeah [17:03] yes it crash [17:04] sometimes crash and others not [17:04] Lord_Khelben left [17:05] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] stealth-_ (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) joined ##slackware. [17:05] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.146) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:07] cann0n: wow, typing url's are fun now. :P [17:08] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x53587202.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:12] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.24.53) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:14] holy shit >.> [17:15] http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0028.html [17:15] the ssh thing? [17:16] yeah, securina doesn't seem to have anything on it yet [17:16] guys, does hal have a log? [17:16] isc.sans.org does [17:16] for some reason X is not picking my policy file [17:16] Necos: but what's that you were showing us [17:16] akSeya (n=schanuel@187-26-118-77.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:17] happyslacker (n=happysla@66-233-150-148.boi.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] i just got the email from the SELinux ML [17:17] ohhh I see it is the SSH thing lol [17:17] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] they pwned his ass eh? lol [17:19] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] yeah [17:20] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:20] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:21] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:24] Kaapa: did you restart hal? [17:24] happyslacker (n=happysla@66-233-150-148.boi.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:27] hmmm, vlc 1.0.0... [17:27] mm [17:27] im having some problems when reproducing dvd [17:28] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:29] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Action: The-Croupier waves at the channel [17:30] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] someone know how to confiugre mplayer or vlc in order to do a continue reproduction? [17:31] losim (n=andrew@144.38.70.31) left irc: "leaving" [17:31] becouse from title to title it goes out from the full screen [17:32] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.148.0) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Action: fire|bird waves to The-Croupier [17:32] ? [17:32] fire|bird: hiya hows it going tonight [17:32] ? [17:32] The-Croupier: going great, thanks [17:33] gonza: they have a playlist...put things in there ...youll be fine [17:33] fire|bird: anything wierd these days..anything worth mentioning? [17:34] The-Croupier: nope [17:34] The-Croupier: urmom. :P [17:35] i wanted to run something after startfluxbox, is there a file to make it auto? [17:35] BP{k}: thanks bro :p [17:35] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:35] The-Croupier: ~/.fluxbox/startup [17:36] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7a37.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:36] BP{k}: thats nothing new though :) [17:36] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.154.249) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:36] fire|bird: hahaha .. nice ;-) [17:37] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] BP{k}: I'm on dvorak right now. It's slow typing atm. :P [17:37] night [17:37] Jeanne-Kamikaze (n=Jeanne-K@225.Red-212-170-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Did you hear that ?" [17:38] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.80.215) left irc: "leaving" [17:38] good night [17:39] fire|bird: lol typing slow [17:40] cann0n: yup, but it's getting a tad better as I go. :) [17:41] http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-setup-your-linux-server-use-serial-console [17:42] CRG (n=chris@cpe-66-69-57-62.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] cann0n: I think in the long run though, this will be much nicer. [17:43] Action: macavity haz teh Java Mocca [17:43] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] who wants? [17:44] macavity: ah, so that's what you were away doing. :) [17:46] fire|bird: i went to BK to get a doublewhoppermealwithouttomatoesandonionsandanextrafriesontheside [17:46] if it don't come with a big booty bitch, i don't want it >.> [17:47] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] fire|bird: however, on the way home i realized that i would run out of coffee, so i bumbed up seven elleven for their notatallbadbutnotgurmetshiteither java mocca [17:47] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.148.0) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [17:47] esbjorn (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:47] macavity: wow, it didn't come with spaces either. :) [17:47] esbjorn (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:47] fire|bird: spacekeyisdeadkkthxbai :P [17:48] macavity: waffle house coffee? [17:48] nyao~~ [17:48] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [17:48] id preffere coffee house waffles, but that's another story :P [17:48] i'd prefer a sexy female nurse in high heels serving me coffee in a waffle house >.> [17:49] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5acfccc6.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:49] dont we all :P [17:49] macavity:dang,Ididn'tgetthatspacememo. [17:49] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:50] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [17:50] fire|bird: dontworryaboutitcausetherewillbeinstalledsoftwareonallmachinestoautomaticallydisregardanyspacekeypresses [17:51] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-199-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:51] esb (n=esb@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] macavity: ahthatisgoodtohear. [17:51] fire|bird: jjuussttmmaakkeessuurreeyyoouurrdduupplleexxsswwiittcchhddooeessnnoottggeettoouuttooffssyynncc [17:52] chew that one :P [17:52] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:52] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-181-122.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Peace!" [17:52] mmaakkeessuurreeyyoouussttiillllpprreessssssppaaccee [17:52] anTraxc (n=gts@189-041-41-120.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:53] macavity: okallchewedupnowwhat [17:53] chew corn [17:53] fire|bird: nowanythingyoucanthinkofaslongasyoukeeppracticingonyournewdvorakkeyboardlayout [17:54] those long sentences are giving me a headache [17:54] fire|bird: thatisbasicallywhyihavebeenissuingmemoesonspacekeysandduplexswitches :P [17:54] _juan (n=juan@200.93.17.250) joined ##slackware. [17:54] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.12.152) joined ##slackware. [17:54] thumbs: sorry, we will think of another word game for fire|bird [17:54] learn how to use the space key, dammit. [17:55] fire|bird: niw gimi: riplici ill wivils with i [17:55] nospacesarethenewtrend [17:55] nispicisirithiniwtrind [17:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] macavity: I fail at this game. :( [17:56] <_juan> hi, i am running sensors-detect as root and i do not get the output lines i should copy to /etc/modules.conf and to /etc/rc.d/rc.local [17:56] fire|bird: "replace all vowels with i" :P [17:56] theanewatrendaisareplaceaspaceawithaaa [17:56] ok, OT on pause, use in trouble [17:56] talkalikeamarioa [17:56] miciviti: ih, nici [17:57] lol [17:57] thisisdamnscary [17:57] dontmakemybrainthinkanymorethanithasto [17:58] Necos: I guess you've never looked in a mirror then, if this is scary. [17:58] _juan: i just ran it, and here it outputs: [17:58] modprobe coretemp [17:58] /usr/bin/sensors -s [17:59] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:59] _juan: but if it doesnt output anything, that means that you already have everything loaded [17:59] macavity: dvorak is really nice, I just need practice. [17:59] fire|bird: i looked in your mirror when you weren't at home... [18:00] Necos: that would explain why it's broken. [18:00] fire|bird: start blogging about everything you dont want others to blog about :P [18:00] macavity: haha [18:01] macavity: that would really be practice. [18:02] fire|bird: here is a few starters that should keep you busy writing for some time: the size and color of your buggars, how you like your eggs boiled, what *exactly* do you socks smell like if you wear them for three days and them give them 15 secs in the microwave oven, how the fungus on that 4 months old cheese in your fridge is developing [18:02] hahahaha, those are good ones. [18:02] hey thats *my* cheese [18:03] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:03] fire|bird: just tell me if you need more topics.. just dont *ever* post the URL to our blog in this channel, or i will simply have to get medival on your arse, ok? :P [18:03] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Error: Can't find file "evdev" for keycodes include [18:03] fire|bird: you know yew wub me ^^ [18:03] anyone knows what this is? [18:03] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [18:03] aceofspades19: shouldn't have let it go to waste. [18:03] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.130) joined ##slackware. [18:03] fire|bird: but I like watching fungus develop [18:04] macavity: gotcha [18:04] aceofspades19: I guess [18:04] fungus, eh... [18:04] fire|bird: you shouldn't have stolen my cheese [18:04] _juan (n=juan@200.93.17.250) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:07] nonoreallymyspacebarisworkingperfectlywhatmakesyouthinkitsnot [18:07] a word that means "slowly leaking" which phonetically sound like "seeping", how is that spelled? [18:08] it is [18:08] seeping was right? [18:08] its spelled right [18:08] is that a joke? [18:09] if it's not, then yes it is spelled correctly. "seeping" [18:09] thx [18:09] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] oh yes, now i found it in a suitable dictonary [18:09] lol [18:10] "too ooze" or to "slowly pass though small openings or pores" [18:10] you mean to ooze ? [18:10] which dictionary has "too ooze" ? [18:11] jokes are like things that make us laugh right? [18:11] s/too/to/ [18:11] in the context where a bandage does not fully stop the bleeding [18:11] "you'r wound is seeping" would be correct there? [18:12] s/you'r/your/ [18:12] fsck.. my english just went out the window for some not readily apparent reason [18:12] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.31.100) joined ##slackware. [18:12] and now i just got myselef annother accound of "talking to myself" in that chat stat page :P [18:13] lol [18:13] blood seeps through the wound or bandage [18:13] fire|bird: you are the one who is supposed to be talking this much. get to it! [18:13] lol [18:13] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] tank-man: is the above incorrect, or just a slightly unlikely usage? [18:14] passive voice [18:14] sounds incorrect, what is the wound seeping through? [18:15] i dont know.. Gina Davis said it to Samuel Jackson in The Long Kiss Goddnight [18:15] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:15] lol [18:15] or rather she said "you are seeping" [18:15] that makes sense actually... [18:15] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:15] yea [18:16] so he can be seeping, but his wound cannot?!? [18:16] in other words, he was getting on her nerves [18:16] ok, english is NOT as easy as adverticed :-/ [18:16] it's a nuance... [18:16] no, he was bleeding.. she pulled off the bandage right after she said it [18:16] you shouldn't expect to understand it so easily [18:16] oh, bleh... [18:17] i think im gay... [18:17] sounds like a personal problem [18:17] there's a bad storm heading this way. I'll be getting off soon. [18:17] talking of which.. i think i shal downl^h^h^h^h^hrent it online. its a good movie [18:17] lol [18:17] firebird619: what does storms have to do with IRC?!? [18:18] so like, how do i know if im gay? [18:18] cann0n: is that a trick question? [18:18] just talk with an accent and your english/grammar doesnt matter :) [18:18] cann0n: are you male of female? [18:18] lol [18:19] male [18:19] cann0n: do you get a hardon when you watch big muscular capenters sweat in the sun? [18:19] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] *carpenters [18:19] no... [18:19] ok, good. [18:19] macavity: nothing, but I get offline when there's storms in the area. [18:20] cann0n: do you get a hardon when you watch big racked girls in white t-shirts wash cars? [18:20] firebird619: ok, what does storm have to do with on/off-line? [18:20] no [18:20] cann0n: do you ever get a hardon? [18:20] haha [18:20] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Reconnecting" [18:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:20] cann0n: your computer does not count. [18:20] no, that was a legit question [18:20] macavity: nothing, but I get offline when there's storms in the area. [18:21] fire|bird: why? :P [18:21] macavity: The Internet keeps going out now. :P [18:21] fire|bird: oh.. crappy service in your area? [18:21] yeah i do, but its random. i dont care for girls that much anymore... i think all i want to do is smoke weed and skate... [18:21] Because connectivity in his part of the world isn't exactly *perfect* [18:21] fire|bird: ^ [18:21] macavity: because, sometimes the power goes out. I've had hdd's go out from storms/lightning. :P [18:21] cann0n: you're just confused. [18:21] i think id be happy being alone for the rest of my life [18:21] y0 eviljames [18:21] cann0n: nothing wrong with that [18:21] cann0n: you are not gay then, you are just getting adicted [18:21] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.206) left irc: [18:21] fire|bird: stormy weather again? photos, flickr. :D [18:22] oh... [18:22] I had one of your photos as my bg for a while. [18:22] eviljames: haha, yeah, storms. Nothing photo worthy as of right now though. [18:22] cann0n: please seek fellowship at your local Narcotics Anonymous meeting [18:22] would i be gay because i masturbate all the time? [18:22] no [18:22] Sounds like you're pretty healthy in that regard. [18:22] I'm givin' er right now, tbh. [18:22] cann0n: ^ [18:22] or that id rather masturbate than let a girl give me a hand job? [18:22] That one is a no brainer. [18:23] No woman gives a good handjob, that's why mouths were invented. DUh. [18:23] lol [18:23] hahaha [18:23] cann0n: stop smoking for a while and see what happens.. this is the adice of someone who smoked regularly for 10 years, but have been off it for about 5 [18:23] lmao [18:23] oh.. ok lol [18:23] s/invented/intelligently designed with tongues and all/ [18:23] actually, scratch that last sub: s/mouths/tongue rings/ [18:23] Rielo (n=fffeop@adsl195-164.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:24] before i stopped smoking i only did three things really: smoke, masturbate and play with my computer [18:24] its not the weed... i just dont like my gf telling me i cant steal, skate, etc... [18:24] comon, she won't let you steal? [18:24] well.. ive shared my experience, do with it what you want [18:25] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:26] yeah... nd she wants me to wear jeans [18:26] akSeya (n=schanuel@187-26-118-77.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:26] the horror! [18:26] I had Slack installed since December. Today I decided to make a fresh install. The installation complete successfully and I chose to install LILO on MBR. Now, each time I try to book the system LILO displays the message "L 02 02 02 02...". fsck sais the partition is good. So what do I check next? [18:26] we got in a fight because she wanted me wear jeans... [18:26] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [18:26] black eye showed her what i thought about wearing jeans... [18:27] you have an odd relationship [18:27] Pointless fights are cute, and domestic violence is really, really, really funny. [18:27] >.> [18:27] i told her, "bitch dont get me jeans!" and i smacked her [18:28] cann0n: I don't think that's proper, or something you should say in public. [18:28] She's going to end up saying: "bitch, no way am I swallowing your genes" and you'll be back to masturbating before you know it. [18:28] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.32.15) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Rielo| reinstall lilo [18:29] eviljames: yeah i know [18:29] TehsXOR tried that already. Booted from Slax 6.x, chroot'ed and typed: lilo -v. But nothing changed. [18:29] thumbs: i'm just kidding. i didnt really hit her. [18:29] I also tryed disabling the bitmap. Again, nothing. [18:29] but you did really wear the jeams cann0n, didnt you? :P [18:29] cann0n: congratulations? [18:30] but we did get in a fight. i dont wear jeans [18:30] lol [18:30] wait til she hits you in the head with a bat ^^ [18:30] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:30] anywho, ima go find something to steal [18:30] what do you wear cann0n? dresses? [18:30] Be happy if she's merciful enough to hit you in the head. [18:30] bbl [18:30] cann0n: Go steal some jeans. [18:30] he wears tu-tus [18:30] lol [18:31] Rielo: I would try making up a very, very basic lilo.conf and using that [18:31] i have not worn a pair of slacks since my wedding about 12 years ago [18:31] i seriously hope he was joking... [18:31] if not that boy has a shit load of bad karma comming his way [18:32] Rielo: did you install it to MBR? [18:32] macavity yes [18:32] hah, aint that the truth. [18:32] eviljames erm.. I removed pretty much everything. UTF8 support, the bitmap. The Windows partition, I don't know what else to remove! [18:32] pastebin it and let the chan take a peek? [18:32] sure! [18:32] lol macavity [18:33] Rielo: do you know how to boot the media, chroot into slackware and mount proc? [18:33] just gimme a minute, I need to transfer it manually. [18:33] cann0n (i=045b64fb@gateway/web/freenode/x-82767dab57f38da1) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [18:33] macavity up untill chroot [18:33] how do I mount proc? and is mounting proc necessary? [18:33] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [18:33] well, aparently it is since you said it [18:34] Rielo: a) boot the media b) mount the slackware partition in /mnt c) chroot /mnt d) source /etc/profile e) mount -t proc none /proc [18:34] okey, then what? [18:34] Rielo: yes, lilo likes to read the partition table out of /proc :P [18:34] ahhh.. [18:35] Rielo: after that it is as if your slackware system booted completly normally [18:35] panzer_ (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] panzer_ (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left ##slackware. [18:35] okey, so, after mounting proc, I just lilo -v, and see it that works. Otherwise I paste here my lilo.conf [18:35] Rielo: so, edit /etc/lilo.conf to a totally minimum configuration, and keep banging untill lilo is happy [18:36] Rielo: correctemondo [18:36] what is correctemondo? [18:36] Rielo: my language of "that is right" or "correct" [18:36] okey [18:36] I'll need some time. Be right back. [18:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] we are not going anywhere [18:37] the internet goddess has confined us to a life sentence in community service [18:37] we used to be selfish bastards before we were trapped inside an IRC channel for life [18:37] hello, im Johnny Cash [18:37] :) my god, what kind of sins are you paying? :P [18:37] ah, that explains it [18:37] Action: macavity stabs Pig_Pen [again] [18:38] Action: macavity was just awarded another 2000 years of artificially prolonged life by the internet goddess [18:38] You'd think with all those stab wounds he would die someday.. [18:38] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [18:38] sup all ong time no type [18:38] i just downloaded a flv file and wanted to convert it to an iso file so i can watch it on my dvd player .. any ideas ? [18:38] great! now i am up to 320K years in IRC :-/ [18:38] gonza (n=Administ@190.19.196.225) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:38] macman_: ffmpeg + tovid [18:39] heh [18:39] macman_: Take your time reading the documentation of those tools, all will be well. [18:39] that the only way eviljames ? [18:39] That's the simplest way. [18:39] hell, tovid might do everything for you [18:39] considering that it can use ffmpeg to convert into appropriate formats. [18:40] macman_: actually, avidemux + tovid ^_~ [18:41] im looking for whatever is easys [18:41] easy.. she is about to come home [18:41] short term or long term easy? [18:41] macman_: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Tovid_Wiki [18:41] like i convert it and it plays in the dvd player [18:41] 1 time use [18:42] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.165.35) joined ##slackware. [18:42] macman_: tovid -ffmpeg -in file.flv -out movie_name && makexml movie_name.mpg -out my_dvd && makedvd -burn my_dvd.xml [18:42] eviljames: think you very very much! [18:43] heh [18:43] my_dvd.xml [18:43] btw, that probably won't look good. tovid/ffmpeg have a lot of options to tweak. [18:43] macavity: Who's thinking what in the where now? [18:43] that's why you use avidemux which has an auto-dvd mode to general a useful file [18:45] More than one way to skin a dead cat. [18:45] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] eviljames: errr.. thank you :P [18:45] may someone who use slamd64 pastebin me his /etc/ld.so.conf file please [18:46] paissad: I would but I may have added a bunch of stuff to it. [18:46] I don't exactly keep an audit log of this machine :P [18:46] ok, np thanks ! [18:47] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [18:48] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [18:48] http://pastebin.ca/1487500 [18:48] paissad: ^ [18:48] :) [18:48] :) [18:49] gtl (n=gustavo@189.4.125.77) joined ##slackware. [18:49] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:49] am bored [18:50] akSeya (n=schanuel@189-95-133-73.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:50] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "brb" [18:50] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:50] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] jjnw (n=wibble@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:51] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.195) joined ##slackware. [18:51] It's never boring when you're irc from work! [18:51] Why would you be irc from work? [18:52] I worked far from electricity/internet back when I worked D: [18:52] gtl (n=gustavo@189.4.125.77) left irc: Client Quit [18:52] straterra: Why not? [18:54] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: [18:54] if your job is to set at a desk and wait for the next nubi to come and ask a lame question, you might as well be on IRC :P [18:55] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. [18:55] macavity that's the simplest lilo.conf I could make: http://pastebin.com/m1c4a11f1 [18:55] sorry, minus the UTF8 [18:56] Rielo: uncomment the compact line [18:56] Rielo: add lba32 right under it [18:56] okey, be right back [18:58] http://pastebin.com/d497e769 [18:58] uncomment the timeout so it will actually work [18:59] sinkigobopo_ (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:01] macavity it didn't worked, I am going to try Pig_Pen's version too [19:01] http://pastebin.ca/1487512 [19:01] Pig_Pen can I comment the UTF8 line? [19:01] yeah, remove that completely if you dont use it [19:01] the UTF8 stuff has nothing to do with lilos ability to start the sytem [19:01] system [19:02] okey, I will try that one too [19:02] that is just the text locale in the console [19:02] yes [19:02] brb [19:02] or rather the encoding [19:02] but yes, Pig_Pen was on to the seccond as i was.. try without compact mode, eventhoug it is absolutely rare it doesnt work [19:03] if i open any file in /etc to edit i always remove the cruft i dont use [19:04] hey, there is something wrong here?!? [19:04] hell yeah my dyndns account got banned [19:04] why does the windows one say tabel = /dev/hda [19:04] ? [19:04] epic [19:04] typo [19:04] LOL [19:05] table = /dev/hda [19:05] doesnt that somehov incline that lilo expects to chainload the factory bootloader? [19:06] as in, lilo -M /dev/hda, and then change it boot = /dev/hda2 && lilo -v [19:06] if he has the lba32 directive he can boot past the 1024th cylinder anyway [19:07] all he then has to make sure is that he only sets hda2 bootable in cfdisk [19:07] otherwise the factory bootloader will put him straight into windows [19:08] there was no "tabel" in any of your configs guys [19:08] sorry, typo [19:08] table [19:08] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] Rielo: i am just thinking out loud here :P [19:08] hehe : [19:08] :D [19:08] okey [19:08] Channel flood from Rielo -- kicking [19:08] the first config failed, I am trying the second now [19:08] Rielo kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:08] Rielo: i havent had a dual boot solution for about 8 years or so [19:08] hah! That's all the free help you get! [19:08] Rielo (n=fffeop@adsl195-164.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Rielo: uhm beware that slackboy sometimes laggs a little, so many short sentences may be taken as spamming [19:10] Rielo: we have established that you positively run lilo everytime you have altered /etc/lilo.conf, right? [19:12] yes! [19:13] mount hda2, chroot, source /etc/profile, mount proc, edit lilo.conf, lilo -v [19:13] aaaand the second config just failed, I will check with cfdisk whether hda2 is bootable [19:13] akSeya (n=schanuel@189-95-133-73.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] that shouldnt matter actually [19:14] only to factory boot loaders [19:14] umm... I forgot to mention that this is a quite old machine: P4 1.5GHz, FSB 133MHz, 512MB RAM, IDE HDD [19:15] confirmed, hda2 is bootable [19:15] i just looked up the 02 error [19:15] "adress mark not found" :-/ [19:16] yep [19:16] I read it before joining the channel (http://www.wlug.org.nz/LiloErrorCodes) [19:16] don't know what that means though [19:16] Windows can boot fine on that hard drive. And Slackware did, before I re-installed it. [19:16] it means that the first stage loader dont find the seccond stage loader [19:17] so... what do I do? [19:17] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Rielo: try this: lilo -M /dev/hda mbr [19:17] okey [19:17] it means that the boot loader isn't at the first 512 bytes or whatever in the 2nd partition [19:17] Rielo: change the boot = /dev/hda to boot = /dev/hda2 [19:18] Rielo: cfdisk /dev/hda -> make sure only hda2 is bootable [19:18] okey [19:18] Rielo: run lilo again [19:18] Rielo: reboot [19:18] guys, gimme a quick help. I cant get hal to function property [19:18] Can't find file "evdev" for keycodes include [19:18] can anyone do a grep evdev /var/log/packages/* for me? [19:18] Rielo: this *may* render you unable to load windows for the time being, but i think we can get around that too [19:18] so I: a) change the boot = /dev/hda to boot = /dev/hda2, b) lilo -M /dev/hda mbr, c) reboot [19:18] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:18] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-30-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Rielo: of *only* hda2 is bootable in cfdisk [19:19] no problem about Windows [19:19] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] hda2 is bootable in cfdisk [19:19] Rielo: the only one? [19:19] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.11.189) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Rielo: dont attempt to have more than one bootable flag if you use a factory bootloader in MBR [19:19] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:19] Does anyone know of a good howto for getting vmware setup in slackware? I have it installed but im lost lol [19:20] Rielo: are we clear that you should have the lba32 in lilo.conf for this to work? [19:20] macavity the only one. What would happen if it wasn't the only one? Or if the bootable flag wasnt in hda2? [19:20] lolwut: what are you trying to do? [19:20] lba32 is always there [19:20] phillipsm (n=matt@173-23-63-230.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Rielo: if there are two the factory bootloader gets confused, if there are none it says no bootable meduim found, if it is set to hda1 it just boots windows without ever invoking lilo [19:21] Necos: Boot a live CD from a .ISO in a virtual box and I'd also like to be able to have a virtual windows box running so I dont have to use wine or switch to my windows box [19:21] Rielo: are you reasonably in on what is going on with the factory bootloader in MBR, and lilo on /dev/hda2? [19:22] lolwut, so you should set up 2 virtual machines in vmware [19:22] I dont know what is the factory bootloader [19:22] macavity ^ [19:23] Rielo: if you buy a new disk there is already a small peice of software in the MBR [19:23] Rielo: that is called "the factory boot loader" or "the IEEE boot loader" or something similar depending on your documentation [19:23] Necos, the thing is I have no clue how to do that and I cant find a guide or anything and the man pages dont help much, a side question it is vmware server that I need right? [19:23] macavity this HDD has been formated and gone so many OS installs :P [19:23] are you using vmware workstation (which is easiest for this) or server? [19:24] macavity: I always figured they just did C:\> fdisk /mbr [19:24] Necos, server, I installed it forever ago but never messed around with it until today [19:24] Rielo: that is a very simple little program that just looks for a partition table, and if it finds one it looks for a bootable flag on a partition, and if it finds a bootable flaged partition, it simply executes from the first adress of that partition [19:24] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-28-103.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:24] macavity I ended up with the error: "No boot signarue in partition" [19:24] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:24] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-10-100.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] eviljames: lilo -M /dev/hda mbr does *exactly* that [19:24] so start up the server console lolwhat =p [19:25] Rielo: O_O [19:25] what? [19:25] after a month or so does slackware still make your butt sore [19:25] Action: macavity scratches head [19:25] Eh? [19:25] Necos, its asking for a username password when I just run vmware from terminal and I dont know where those are set [19:25] yes [19:26] TehsXOR: is it bending you over? [19:26] its a metaphor [19:26] TehsXOR: either you or slackware is going to get bend over.. if you dont RTFM, it will be you ;-) [19:26] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:26] Rielo: i am thinking.. this is quite odd [19:27] i want to bend slackware over [19:27] TehsXOR: read all the URLs in the topic then [19:27] Rielo: private message? [19:27] sure [19:27] are they slackware roofies? [19:28] slackpkg + slackbuilds.org makes slackware pretty easy these dyas [19:28] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:38] vmware-uninstall.pl [19:38] there is only the install.pl [19:38] I got it from the official site [19:39] what version of server is it? [19:39] vmware -v ouputs 2.0 build 122956 [19:39] its in usr/bin right? [19:40] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] i bet vmware also has files in /usr/share and /usr/lib [19:41] yeah I found the uninstall file [19:41] goodboy leroy! [19:41] necos, so for what I want to do I should use the workstation? [19:41] mamma put my guns in the ground, i wont be shooting anymore [19:43] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-10-100.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] workstation is easier to use IMO [19:43] that's what i use (6.5.1) [19:44] can someone on 12.2 give me the md5sum of /boot/diag1.img? 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[19:55] i'll be back there in the fall, so i was just excited to see a fellow student :) [19:55] I think we've had this conversation before, unless there is another CSUN student here [19:55] i sure as hell forgot then lol [19:56] no, jeev lives in glendale, and then we have mr. ventura... i swear, i'm surprised how close some of you guys are =p [19:56] get a pope soap on a rope [19:57] hello all you happy people [19:57] hiya [19:57] hello truck driver [19:58] what is a .bundle extension? [19:58] pi31415, hey [19:58] Pig_Pen, made some progress on the project...not finished [19:58] it's just a binary shell script [19:59] cool, take your time with it, post it on imagebin.org when you get it finished [19:59] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) left irc: Client Quit [20:00] necos, oh lol k [20:00] lolwut: like when you get quake3.bin [20:00] sh quake3.bin and call it a day ^_^ [20:00] Pig_Pen, when i put together a retextured slack pill [20:00] Pig_Pen, it'll be killed [20:01] macavity: nouveau is terrible beast to install ;) [20:01] macavity: and are you running slackware or slackware64? [20:01] luckily I have not dealt with nouveau yet [20:01] and generally haven't had to deal with linux and graphics in quite a while [20:01] C_Tux: 32-current [20:02] livinded: the annoying part is they require some bits in the kernel [20:02] o rly? [20:02] that is annoying [20:02] that's GOOD, not annoying [20:02] macavity: ok, I was having a problem with libdrm but that only happens on 64bit [20:02] why is that good [20:02] CalgaryConehead (n=jardine@S010600a0c5e3aa5d.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:02] because it takes the load off of the server [20:02] it belongs in the kernel [20:02] C_Tux: i have intel gfx here, so i generally dont have problems compiling stuff [20:02] see the intel development ;) [20:02] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:02] certain stuff does, like memory management [20:03] I don't know what exactly nouvea puts into the kernel, but why can't you build it as a module? [20:03] btw, I'd like to know if anybody of the team had a problem building libdrm : it refuses to install in /usr/lib64, stating it doesn't want to install in directory not ending in /usr/lib64/lib (with --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64) [20:03] radeonhd++ [20:03] C_Tux: use slack's libdrm [20:03] I've accepted the fact that when it comes to graphics in linux everything pretty much sucks [20:04] thrice`: nouveau needs libdrm to be compiled with --enable-nouveau-experimental-api [20:04] it's going to pretty much stay that way until xorg is replaced or re-written [20:04] thrice`: it's annoying *and* good ;) [20:04] C_Tux: oh, sorry :) then use this: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/x/libdrm/libdrm.SlackBuild [20:05] thrice`: it's annoying because it's not in linus' branch and I don't know the 'quality' of the branch [20:05] I'm guessing you missed a "\" when you added your configure line [20:05] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:05] macavity: earlier with slackboy kicked Rielo, it wasn't lagging. it will kick if it sees 4 lines within 5 sec. Rielo broke that threshold. just an fyi :) [20:06] thrice`: I was compiling and installing without a slackbuild but the problem would be the same, and when I mentionned that issue on #nouveau, I've been told it was known and have been asked to pinpoint it [20:06] with=when [20:06] unixfool: that is another way of saying "dont write many short sentenses in a short time" :P [20:06] hey, I am just too fast, okey? :P [20:07] brb [20:08] well, better goto :sleep, 2am and I'm waking up, in oh shit 6 hours =/ [20:09] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] well, anyway, thanks unixfool, macavity. It's time to shut down. [20:09] Rielo (n=fffeop@adsl195-164.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [20:09] livinded (n=livinded@s147n181.csun.edu) left irc: [20:10] guax (n=guaxinim@201-11-81-236.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:11] macavity, yep :) [20:13] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [20:16] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x503e7a37.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:17] ChamanGT (n=ChamanGT@unaffiliated/chamangt) joined ##slackware. [20:18] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:19] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [20:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@61.43.249.4) joined ##slackware. [20:22] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:22] hmm is there a 64 bit flash player for Linux yet? i just noticed that Flash Player is not 64bit (or so it seems) [20:23] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-76-80.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:23] ... see extra/ [20:25] stupid ralink driver! [20:26] is it too much to ask for this thing not to disassociate when there is other stuff connected?! [20:27] i see flash 10 64bit in alpha status ... [20:28] Action: nachox is a happy person, looks like there will be a new release of monkey island [20:29] flash10 alpha works extremely wel [20:29] the original monkey island i mean, revamped with cooler graphics, and grog that really smells :P [20:30] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:31] Action: macavity dreams of a world with a working Free implementation of flash [20:31] preferably with a configuration UI that will have some sort of "flashblock" builtin [20:32] html-5 might put flash and other audio/video plugins out of business, i hope it does [20:32] so that one can just right click on a flash thingie and pick "dont ever show this again" or "dont show anything from this site again" [20:32] Pig_Pen: well.. i dont know if i think it was a smart move to just leave the codec part unspecified [20:33] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x503e7a37.kd4nxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:33] yeah it works 8-) [20:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [20:36] it has to be better than the mixed bag of tricks being used now for plugins [20:36] my fingers hurt...did 2 hours of UFC on xbox [20:36] unixfool, that's a problem [20:36] every time i pick up my old guitar my fingers hurt too [20:36] unixfool: heh, you had it comming yes you did :P [20:37] i won most of them tho [20:37] Pig_Pen, that one is hard to overcome [20:37] oh man.. the Alt-F2 thingie in KDE is pretty damn nice [20:38] what's it do mac [20:38] hit alt-f2 and type gg:linux on xbox and hit enter [20:38] or just tipe "fire" and hit enter [20:38] its from not practicing enough, when i played two or more hours a day i was a better player and my finger tips were tougher [20:38] heh [20:38] it gives you its best guess as to what you might mean, and so far it has not guessed wrong on me yet [20:38] i think i'm gonna put on a video...i got dark city director cut [20:39] jeev: slashd finds slashdot.org in my recently visited websites, and launces it in my standard browser :P [20:40] ok, sla even did it [20:42] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] too much macavity, i'm on windows now [20:45] jeev: dont take the blue pill! [20:45] anyone knows what could cause "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: > Error: Can't find file "evdev" for keycodes include" ? [20:45] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [20:46] are you trying to compile xserver? [20:46] rather, are you trying to compile xserver 1.6 on 12.2? [20:51] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "yngre" [20:51] no [20:51] I'm trying to configure the stupid keyboard [20:52] with the hal policy files [20:52] for some reason - it' s not working [20:59] gzamora (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [21:02] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [21:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [21:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-250.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:17] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.156) joined ##slackware. [21:18] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] phillipsm (n=matt@173-23-63-230.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:21] phillipsm (n=matt@173-23-63-230.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] phillipsm (n=matt@173-23-63-230.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [21:22] damn, there' s something really wrong here [21:22] setxkbmap -rules base [21:22] Couldn't find rules file (base) [21:23] hum, broken link here [21:24] can anyone tell me where does /usr/share/X11/xkb link point to? [21:24] (I'm assuming it's a link, correct me if I'm wrong) [21:27] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [21:28] $ readlink /usr/share/X11/xkb [21:28] ../../../etc/X11/xkb [21:29] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] adeodatus (n=rp@92.84.7.116) joined ##slackware. [21:31] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:32] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:33] hum... and does it exist? [21:34] oh, son of a.... [21:34] penguin? [21:35] No thanks I ate already. [21:35] ln -s /storage_where_I_dont_lack_space/usr /usr [21:35] Action: Kaapa curses all the tutorials that recommended several partitions for the data [21:36] LVM FTW [21:38] And I have my keyboard back! [21:38] damn, 4 hours wasted by a broken link! [21:38] stupid relative symlinks [21:38] wtf aren't they absolute? [21:39] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-140-171.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Kaapa: for workstations: 10-20GB for / and the rest for /home [21:44] Kaapa: for servers: 10-20GB for / and the rest for /var :P [21:44] macavity: yeah, right, 10 years ago the rules were much different [21:44] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Kaapa: or, as XGizzmo points out, LVM FTW [21:45] Kaapa: rules? [21:45] that space distribution rule [21:46] oh well [21:46] when I installed this server (I think slack 4.0 or 7.1) 3gb whould be enough for / [21:46] :p [21:46] the princible still applies: the space you need for your software in one place, and the all the rest in somewhere else [21:47] I know, but at that time my software didn't need that much space [21:47] Kaapa: if it is a server i would maintain that 3GB for / is still enough, unless you run Oracle on it :P [21:47] anyone who lives in the areas bound by maine, virginia, and ohio...if you run into a guy wearing slackware paraphanalia at a truck stop, it's most likely me [21:47] it's my multi-use home server [21:47] Kaapa: just removepkg anything in sight :P [21:48] brklynRednek: ok, that is the funniest contact advertisment ive seen so far ;-) [21:48] heh [21:48] mac-, LOL [21:48] my home server storage distribution: 46G 9.1G 35G 21% / && 688G 638G 43G 94% /DATA [21:49] macavity, rather [21:49] antiwire: you need more space :P [21:49] antiwire: i can haz to see your mofoing huge prøn collection? [21:49] it fluctuates between around 90-99%, it stores backups [21:50] JBOD ftw [21:50] yeah right [21:50] that;'s a mirror [21:53] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-140-171.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:53] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [21:54] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:54] whast jbod [21:54] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-140-171.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:55] google! [21:55] just big one disk? [21:55] bing! [21:55] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:55] ... [21:55] no [21:56] Necos, if your still here thanks Ive got a registered version up and running now :) [21:57] anyone familiar with mysql? the contents of my /var/lib/mysql directory is 7GB, does that sound reasonable? I think it is mainly used for mythtv [21:57] TehsXOR: Just A Bunch Of Disks [21:58] TehsXOR: eg, just "glue" disk together like a RAID, only they sit at the end of each other, so you just add more when you need more space [21:59] TehsXOR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBOD#Concatenation_.28SPAN.29 [21:59] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [22:00] except it also increases the chance of data loss where RAID1-6 actually decrease the chances of data at the expense of available capacity [22:01] \DSAFEW\ (n=dsafew@c-67-182-170-130.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:09] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [22:11] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.12.152) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:15] antiwire: depending on the "rescue" tools available for your particular fs, JBOD usually only means that you lose the data associated with the disk that goes bonkers [22:15] antiwire: jfs should handle "holes" in the the filesystem rather well [22:16] which still means you lost data... [22:16] yes.. but unlike raid0 it doesnt *increase* the chance like you implied [22:16] yes it does [22:17] marginally.. as if you have a file begenning on one disk and ending on the other, yes [22:17] JBOD adds more parts to a system without adding any redundancy [22:17] TehsXOR (n=TehsXOR@c-24-126-162-214.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:17] MadneX (n=Nestor@189-015-221-037.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:17] MadneX (n=Nestor@189-015-221-037.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:18] MadneX (n=Nestor@189-015-221-037.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:18] if you have x disks mounted in x directories and you just put stuff on them untill you are close to full, that is only marginally safer than JBOD [22:18] MadneX (n=Nestor@189-015-221-037.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:18] madnex_ (n=Nestor@189-015-221-037.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:18] We aren't comparing JBOD to non raid though. [22:19] madnex_ (n=Nestor@189-015-221-037.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:19] i am :P [22:19] since JBOD *is* non raid [22:19] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03AC4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:19] Well you clearly saw what I was comparing it to. [22:20] it is a rather convenient solution for people with huge pron collections :P [22:20] but erhm.. raid0 across 8 drives is very close to 8 times more insecure than JBOD over the same configuration [22:21] can't you see what i typed? [22:21] I purposely left out R0 [22:21] .... [22:21] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [22:22] see, it was right here...I left out R0 and only compared JBOD to R1-6, not to single disks and not to R0 (2009-07-07 19:00:42) antiwire: except it also increases the chance of data loss where RAID1-6 actually decrease the chances of data at the expense of available capacity [22:22] ah, i just read that as RAID-6.. didnt see the 1 [22:22] Action: macavity got pwned by dyslexia again [22:22] adeodatus (n=rp@92.84.7.116) left irc: Client Quit [22:23] btw, how limited are you in choices when you want to add space to a raid 5 or 6? [22:23] eg, do you have to add a certain number of disks in one go? [22:23] it depends on the setup [22:23] some controllers will let you do whatever you want [22:24] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] this is also where LVM for linux comes in [22:24] so i got wireless working on the acer netbook then it died and when it died the ethernet came up then that died and neither works [22:24] as long as the filesystem used on the array/volume supports growing or shrinking, you can just add disks to the LVM [22:25] id prefere if i could just add one disk at the time, and have 75% of the added space available for data storrage almost instantly [22:25] so i decided ill just take it back and get a different netbook with different ethernet and wireless cards [22:25] some high end raid backplanes and BIOS support that [22:25] now im sitting here with an hp mini running slackware lsci -v says ethernet is atansic unknown and ifconfig -a shows no interfaces at all :S [22:26] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:26] i_is_cat_: so, you just learned to get a speclist *before* you buy? [22:27] i_is_cat_: EeePC 900 if you want to be reasonably sure [22:27] macavity, i checked specs before hand but unfortunately certain things are unlisted [22:27] i_is_cat_: if it has black box hardware in it, dont buy [22:27] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.12.152) joined ##slackware. [22:27] and i figured since some aspire models come with linux, that it should work find [22:27] fine* [22:27] i_is_cat_: eg, if wikipedia cant give you a complete list, ditch it hard [22:27] and it did.. except the network being sketchy [22:28] i_is_cat_: what wifi was in the acer bucket? [22:28] the wireless in this new one is a broadcom it shows up in lspci [22:28] touch luck, huh? [22:29] *tough [22:29] the acer one was atheros [22:30] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] ath5k? [22:30] ya [22:30] oh, those i have had great luck with on the workstations [22:30] it wouldnt do wpa in slax but worked with wep ok, then in slackware it wouldnt do wep at all and managed to get wpa working for a few hrs [22:30] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:30] then it died and ethernet came back, then the both died [22:31] Action: macavity scratches head [22:31] you DID try a kernel upgrade, right? [22:31] like.. latest stable kernel from kernel.org? [22:32] especially ath5k has seen a shit load of development since 12.2 came out [22:32] no but i will if i have to, usually when devices show up unknown in lspci for me, the kernel upgrade seems to solve [22:33] scubacuda (i=rog@211.sub-75-248-226.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [22:33] i_is_cat_: upgrading pciutils or just /usr/share/pci.ids alone usually tells what the heck the gizmo is [22:33] hmm ok.. [22:34] i_is_cat_: and upgrading the kernel will not alter the output of lspci :P [22:34] As an easy test, as root just run: update-pciids && update-usbids [22:35] aarhg [22:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [22:35] update-pciids --help just went away and overwrote a system file without asking me [22:35] Action: macavity shoots a developer [22:35] heh it couldnt resolve the host [22:35] guess why it couldn't resolve the host [22:35] :P [22:36] lol [22:36] anyhow, you need a recent kernel for that to work.. [22:36] .30 works nicely for me here [22:36] alright.. well then i guess that will be my next step [22:36] havent done a new kernel in a while [22:37] i_is_cat_: use Patrick's config as a template, then run make oldconfig and just press and hold enter [22:37] i_is_cat_: and test that first, before you get all clever and stuff ;-) [22:37] allas.. hungry again [22:37] alright i'll try it [22:37] cya l8r [22:37] "The server at www.slackware.com is taking too long to respond." [22:37] !? [22:38] Oh [22:38] Sorry [22:38] :-( [22:38] asarch: bit slow :) [22:39] I was doing an speed connection to decide between Slackware and Gentoo (from a Gentoo box) and bum! There is no Slackware server :-P [22:39] C'est la vie! [22:40] asarch: ftp.slackware.no <- get your isos [22:40] I already have them [22:40] I just did want to check the news [22:41] the news is in ChangeLog.txt on your local ftp mirror ;-) [22:41] this is slackware.. we dont use fancy new invenctions like blogs.. or html for that matter :P [22:41] Wow! [22:41] *inventions [22:41] It's good to know [22:42] Thank you very much for the tip [22:42] :-) [22:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-205.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:42] whatever you are on a stable release or on current, it is *expected* that you read the changelog before you update [22:43] there might be instructions like "dont forget to back up your fubar before upgrading this package" or something like that [22:43] I mean, the site's news [22:43] Like about the new 64-bit port :-P [22:43] those are in the changelog of -current too [22:43] D'oh! [22:44] that is usually where they appear first [22:44] If there is any news about changes in either branch the changelogs will have it [22:44] yup [22:44] the changelog is the gospel [22:44] everything else is just an echo [22:45] rather easy and simple solution, dont you think? :P [22:45] anyways.. time to shoot a hotdog [22:45] bbl [22:45] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:45] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "Reconnecting" [22:46] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [22:49] One very stupid question: [22:49] Currently I have three partitions: [22:49] asarch: there are no... err wait. [22:49] Swap - 2G [22:49] Damn. Once again: [22:49] Root (/): 21.5G [22:49] Swap: 2G [22:50] just out it all on one line... [22:50] asarch: use a pastebin? [22:50] Home (/home): 88G [22:50] Just three partitions [22:51] I would like to delete the first one an create a new one with 15.5 GB (thank God Slackware doesn't need too much space) and the Swap partition (2GB) [22:52] Is it safe this operation? [22:52] What is the actual partition layout on disk? We can't answer you without that information. [22:53] asarch: any extended partition? [22:53] I would like to use the new root parttion to back up my home data and then delete the /home partition to create a new one with the freed space [22:53] Here is: http://slackware.pastebin.com/d56508658 [22:53] thumbs, no [22:53] Any extend partition [22:56] that swap partition will either need to be recreated or moved as well for you to be able to do what you described [22:56] Ok [22:57] (Actually, I was planning to move the swap partition as well) [22:57] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [22:57] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Client Quit [22:58] ..but you said you wanted to use the existing / (sda1) to hold a backup copy of the contents of /home (sda3) [22:58] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-164-227-192.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] what's up with slackware.com and the repos? [22:59] After the resizing procedure [22:59] umm we had repos? and you look at the topic you would know the anwser maddslacker [22:59] kitche: as long as repos == mirrors ;) [22:59] asarch: umm [22:59] But *why* is it down? [22:59] heh [22:59] maddslacker, the mirrors should still be working. [22:59] more to the point of my qustion [23:00] I'm on my third try [23:00] of? [23:00] maybe I'll try an overseas one [23:00] maddslacker, what country? [23:00] us [23:00] kernel.org should be fine. [23:00] asarch: How big is /home ? [23:00] As should TDS [23:01] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/ [23:01] WFM [23:01] http://slackware.pastebin.com/d32592927 [23:01] Ah, ignore my kernel.org mention. They don't mirror Slackware. [23:02] (They should!) [23:02] asarch: sda3 is using 16GB and sda1 only has 9.9GB free [23:02] Actually I have one DVD ISO inside it [23:02] i tried univ of utah and oregon state, my usual 2 [23:02] I could easyly free 4.2GB [23:02] asarch: How do you plan to delete sda3 and backup its contents to sda1? [23:03] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:03] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-17.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] Dominian, new quote in noobfarm :P [23:04] maddslacker: osuosl is working fine for me [23:04] nachox: k [23:04] will be a imnute [23:04] antiwire, http://slackware.pastebin.com/d491e5422 [23:04] heanet in ireland is working..woot [23:05] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.154.127.236) joined ##slackware. [23:05] what does konqueror need to list samba shares? [23:05] and kitche maybe we should have an even longer topic, I only had to scroll back two screens to see the server down msg..heh [23:06] acidchild, samba for starters [23:06] asarch: ok to answer your question "is this safe"; I don't see why it would be unsafe as long as you're capable of executing it. [23:06] maddslacker: what /topic was to hard for you :) [23:06] maddslacker: indeed... got that [23:06] the length [23:06] i is stupid and can't read very fast [23:06] acidchild, in the address bar, smb://your_server [23:07] i use dolphin, but konq works too [23:07] maddslacker: thanks lol. [23:07] smb:// worked. [23:07] np [23:07] all that work and there are no new updates anyway [23:08] kinda want ff 3.5 [23:08] oh well [23:08] I see... [23:08] maddslacker: I made my own package. [23:08] maddslacker: it's trivial. [23:08] thumbs, agreed, but I'm trying to stick with the mirrors as much as I can on this box [23:09] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:10] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [23:10] how would i play a dvd over the network [23:10] if its still in VOB files etc? [23:10] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:10] mplayer or vlc [23:11] is it a dvd disc, or vob files ripped to a samba share? [23:11] mplayer! [23:11] acidchild: poke [23:11] maddslacker: ripped on a samba share [23:11] acidchild: I finally did it.. and got a small linode... took some convincing with the wife... :P [23:11] mplayer [23:11] so can i do mplayer dvd:// --dvd-drive smb:// [23:11] Dominian: nicce =] [23:11] try it, sounds right [23:11] now we can make a private IP [23:11] ! [23:11] acidchild: a years worth of service on the CC [23:11] ah!! [23:11] but i don't have a folder to check that syntax [23:11] 13.0rc1 [23:11] coolies [23:12] acidchild: but I have to get her a new cell phone at the end of the month hehe [23:12] good trade off if you ask me :P [23:12] get her a Palm Pre, it runs linux [23:12] mplayer has some issues with shares like that. Mount the share firest. [23:12] first [23:12] Dominian: "You already have all these computers all over the house and now you want to rent one from a place far away? wtfgtfoomgbbq" [23:12] maddslacker: she wants an EnV [23:12] G1 > Pre [23:12] The EnV is a pain. [23:12] she likes it [23:12] oh wait.. not the EnV [23:12] Dominian: LOL [23:12] Requires Raphsody to sync it last I checked. [23:12] it was something else... UML1080 or whatever [23:12] Dominian: you got owned :-P [23:13] acidchild: nah [23:13] acidchild: I got the better deal hehe [23:13] acidchild: more than likely move the mail server to the linode though.. faster connection.. fast as hell.. will make email simply look like the starship enterprise [23:14] haha [23:15] EnV?... [23:15] acidchild: but for anything email related to "your" business like any clients you add.. I'll put them somewhere else when the time comes.. build another mail server or something on your linode. [23:15] what's that? [23:16] redtricycle: verizonwireless.com [23:16] ew [23:17] I have a really old WinMo phone.. [23:17] advantage is that I figured out how to tether it to linux [23:17] I have the G1. Works great for tether too. [23:18] nod [23:18] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [23:18] Has anybody tethered the iPhone 3Gs to linux? [23:18] you can't tether iphones [23:18] I heard you need to have itunes to sync stuff to it.. [23:18] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.12.152) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:19] jail breaking it you probably can though [23:19] the new iphone tethers, not sure about to linux [23:19] and yes it needs itunes [23:19] and yo uhave to be gay to want one [23:19] << [23:19] >> [23:20] uh ok [23:20] heh, yeah, the new one does have tethering though [23:20] Dominian: yeah [23:20] =] [23:20] Dominian: spy works for the time being. [23:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [23:21] iTunes with wine? [23:21] ah, it's silver [23:22] jeffrey_ (n=jeffrey@61.145.147.178) joined ##slackware. [23:22] http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1347 [23:22] danc3 (n=danc3@wsip-24-120-62-66.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] i find it rather odd that they cant figure out how itunes is communicating with the phone [23:23] i mean it is over USB for crying out loud.. the most easily tappable interface in the world [23:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:24] does wine have access to USB devices? [23:24] macavity: that isn't the problem [23:24] anyway, work provides me a blackberry curve, and it works fine with 'nix [23:24] maddslacker: i belive you can configure that, yes [23:24] antiwire: then what is? [23:24] As far as I understand it, the problem is how apple deals with the music database on the devices. [23:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] rhythmbox and gtkpod can read it, can't be that hard [23:25] maddslacker: can they *write* to it? [23:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:26] macavity, yes, I have done it [23:26] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-17.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] maddslacker: also the new versions? [23:26] G1 nano [23:26] ok [23:26] I refuse to support apple so I don't have a newer one [23:27] good choice :-) [23:27] there vendor lock-in is worse than M$...screw 'em [23:27] and the nano was a freebie from work [23:27] heh [23:27] I have never given a dime to apple [23:27] neither worse nor better than M$ [23:27] much worse [23:27] you can at least install winders on your own damn hardware [23:27] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-136-184.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] so you're "gay" as you put it then too...you have an iPod [23:27] no [23:27] the criteria is the same for both of them: "how much can we get away with, without the bublic stringing us up by our balls" [23:27] iphone is gay [23:27] ;) [23:27] yeah, you're "gay" [23:28] ipod is just dumb [23:28] and lately M$ cant get away with nearly as much :P [23:28] good [23:28] rumor has it that Windows 7 will ship without IE on all of Europe [23:29] not rumor, true [23:29] oh, lets call it a rumor untill release day, shall we? [23:29] I have win7 64 bit on the wife's laptop, it's not totally horrible [23:30] i cant even boot into my windows since I migrated the partition over to another drive [23:30] it still came out of redmond, so i wouldn't touch it with a fire poke [23:30] http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/mscorp/archive/2009/06/11/working-to-fulfill-our-legal-obligations-in-europe-for-windows-7.aspx [23:30] horse's mouth ^^ [23:31] macavity, I don't make this crap up ;) [23:31] dartmouth: how did you migrate it? [23:32] oh that is so sick reading! [23:32] with a magnetized needle and a steady hand [23:32] dartmouth: did you dd the partition or cp/tar the contents? [23:32] "to ensure that windows will promote choice and competition in the computer industry, in keeping with our Windows Principles." [23:32] Action: macavity hurls [23:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:33] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.156) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [23:33] heh [23:33] jerkwire: I did dd [23:33] I didn;t say it wasn't full of self back slapping [23:33] dartmouth, moved a windows partition [23:33] ? [23:33] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-133-184.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [23:33] maddslacker: yeah [23:34] dartmouth: Why are you calling jerkwire? I'm trying to help you. [23:34] i plugged in an old drive and then just dd'd it over [23:34] jerkwire: its a script lol [23:34] jerkwire: i'll turn it off [23:34] dartmouth, boot a windows xp cd, choose repair with the CLI and run fixboot and fixmbr [23:34] maddslacker: i no longer have the installation media. any of it. [23:35] you can download it [23:35] there's got to be an equivelant [23:35] really? [23:35] legally [23:35] yeah [23:35] no way [23:35] where? [23:35] lemme look [23:35] antiwire: better? lol [23:36] samcarter_ (n=samcarte@92.27.243.233) joined ##slackware. [23:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-250.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:36] im so pooped; worked 4am to 11pm doing hard labor [23:36] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-250.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] dartmouth, http://www.tipandtrick.net/2008/windows-xp-sp3-with-service-pack-3-full-installation-cd-iso-image-relased-on-msdntechnet/ [23:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-250.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] one of those should work [23:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-250.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] dartmouth: sometimes i question your mental state.. who in their right mind would install an auto-insult script, then go somewhere and ask for help?!? [23:37] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:38] macavity: is he still going on? [23:38] wtf [23:38] heh [23:38] Nick change: maddslacker -> jerkwire [23:38] there [23:38] no, i was just reading, so i didnt get a chance to bash him at the appropriate time [23:38] hit me [23:39] naaa.. i think the kid knows better than to insult me to my face :P [23:39] Nick change: jerkwire -> maddslacker [23:40] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:40] There is no Hack but Slack and Slackware is its Prophet. [23:42] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427952.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:43] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:45] Nick change: antiwire -> jerkwire [23:45] Nick change: jerkwire -> antiwire [23:45] samcarter (n=samcarte@78.151.178.72) left irc: Success [23:46] dchmelik: oh, getting all philosophical are we? :P [23:46] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:46] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:47] scubacuda (i=rog@211.sub-75-248-226.myvzw.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:48] how do i become a mirror ? [23:48] lamenick (n=lamenick@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:48] you most likely don't [23:49] is http://www.slackware.com/ down? [23:49] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-109.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] think so [23:49] and judging from your nick this might be a lame attempt at trolling... [23:49] yes [23:49] relax, antiwire [23:49] na i have fast speed [23:50] remove your tin foil hat and chill [23:50] lamenick: how about you relax. I wasn't talking to you. You joined while I was typing. [23:50] my bad [23:51] lamenick: do you have a guilty conscience about your nick? Do you feel like it might be a nick that could cause problems? [23:51] slackware.org and slackware.com are both not coming up for me, too... [23:52] what's the estimate for the site going up? [23:52] Right before everyone notices it's up. [23:52] no, but I had reasons to think you were talking to me [23:53] lamenick: I see, you were pretty quick to assume I was talking to you. It just seems like you might have a little guilt or self-conscious. [23:53] dchmelik (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [23:53] dchmelik (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:53] :) [23:53] lamenick: Also, your tinfoil hat comment is interesting. [23:54] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-205.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:54] lamenick: I think you're probably someone who comes in here often enough to know a few of the channel memes. [23:54] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:54] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] no, not really [23:55] tin foil hats are cool [23:55] what of it? [23:55] :D [23:57] sorry, I didn't mean to stir shit [23:57] heh [23:57] it needs stirring from time to time [00:00] --- Wed Jul 8 2009