[00:00] very different music FriedBob ... I like it [00:00] TriniTuX: Is that your only partition? [00:01] alreadygone: I should be workong on tracks for my next CD, or coding, but instead I am just glitching. [00:01] you are a musician then ?! [00:01] I wouldn't call it that. [00:02] a DJ? [00:02] FriedBob: other than swap and ntfs yes [00:02] I've chopped and screwed a few songs and did a few mashups. [00:03] TriniTuX: Not sure. What is generating the error? [00:03] grayn0de (~root@cpe-66-69-220-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:03] alreadygone: djlowder.bandcamp.com if you want to listen sometime. [00:04] I'd love to FriedBob [00:04] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nqrzddlckxsixzwo) joined ##slackware. [00:04] FriedBob: I have no idea; all I was doing was updating to current and all packages give that error [00:04] um no that's "l'd love to fry bob" [00:04] and why would you want to do that? :P [00:05] Delahunt: Mornin' [00:05] http://paste.linuxassist.net/215255 [00:05] so you can see I have the space [00:06] I'm out of ideas. [00:06] it is indeed odd; I just booted the thinkpad [00:06] TriniTuX, um what filesystem [00:06] ext3 [00:07] tune2fs -m 1 /whatever/root/is [00:07] then see if it persists [00:07] are all FS on this machine about 48% ? [00:08] no only my root partition [00:08] Delahunt: got your mail. Whenever I get some stuff done, I'll ping you. It might be a while :/ [00:09] TriniTuX: in slackpkg.conf, set CHECKSIZE=off [00:09] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:09] There's a bug in that function; it will be fixed in next version (and default to off) [00:09] ah [00:09] rworkman: ok taking a look [00:10] rworkman: Oi oi! [00:10] hey hey [00:10] shouldn't slackpkg be using spaces instead of \t's for indenting? [00:10] how goes? [00:10] FriedBob: suckage [00:10] you know that lovely feeling after the morning cigarette? I feel like that after going back to slack after a week of trying another shitty *nix distro :-) [00:11] rogersman1, which distro? [00:11] rworkman, it's all good, it's mainly so that if i move to 13.1 beta i have software. not being selfish: i want to test, just being a wimp [00:11] I understnad [00:11] MLanden: the dreaded kubuntu 10.04 [00:11] rworkman: ok cute, thanks [00:11] rworkman: Sorry to hear that, but I know the feeling. I am so stressed and overwhelmed right now myself. [00:11] NaCl: whyzat? [00:11] 16 spaces is a bit far [00:12] (IMHO) [00:12] escaflow1 (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Action: rworkman lost laptop net access at work until I find a clever way to hide :/ They decided ot start enforcing the "no personal laptops on district network" policy today :/ [00:12] rogersman1, feel for ya...al least,curiosity didn [00:12] MLanden: kinda like dating a 17-year old...after the novelty wears off... [00:12] rworkman: lamesauce [00:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:12] indeed [00:13] rogersman1, true [00:13] rworkman: We have that policy as well, due to PCI requirements. Though I do have to use my personal PC some since I telecommute [00:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:14] escaflow1 (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:14] We have no wifi at work, and the network ports are locked down. Which reminds me, I have to review the firewall rules for our new router tomorrow [00:15] It'll likely take me an hour or two to do. :( [00:15] Since it is replacing 4 different routers [00:16] I'm considering an approach to the board, but I'm not sure. There's a bit of history of folks losing everything on their district machine all of a sudden due to unknown gremlins - apparently something in the DC decides to wipoe homedirs arbitrarily. For that and other reasons, I do *all* of my work on my laptop, and it's a bit inconvenient to have to transfer stuff via flash drives. [00:17] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Not being terribly familiar with Windows, I don't exactly know how to hide. [00:18] Maybe find a way to use WIndows internet sharing to nat/masq a connection from your official machine to your laptop, or spoof your MAC address? [00:18] They found me because I have a nonstandard hostname, so I think they got that from the dhcp server logs. Apparently they cross-referenced that with the http proxy (bluecoat) logs to find that I'd been authing there as "rworkman", and then they tried to logon remotely with my AD creds. [00:19] FriedBob: that's one I've considered (ICS from the WinXP box) [00:20] if the penalty is loss of job if you get caught, it's not worth it [00:20] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-145.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:20] ang: yeah :/ [00:20] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-145.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] Or try to do it in the system, to see if you can get an exception made. If it is a security thing, of there is a sufficent compensating control it may be doable if you talk to the right people and such [00:21] s/of/if/ [00:21] Well, the IT Director is the one I corresponded with today, so "the right people" are going to be difficult to find. [00:21] He's a big brother control freak type with PHB syndrome. :/ [00:21] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:21] where i used to work, everyhting was locked down. no web mail, no personal laptops, they even had writing to usb devices disabled. they didn't want any information leaking out [00:22] At least they were consistent. [00:22] razzzat (~razzzat@166.132.28.223) joined ##slackware. [00:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:22] If I *really* wanted to take student personal info, I'd put it on a removable hard drive and go from there. [00:22] My mom and wife both work for the government. Those are some locked down systems [00:23] my experience was at an investment bank [00:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:23] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.28) joined ##slackware. [00:23] I told him that I'd even be willing to allow inspection of the machine to ensure it was not an internal threat, and I've offered to help with drafting a new policy that allows "authorized personal laptops only" [00:24] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Until they buy me a laptop, I will have to use my own system [00:26] then there may be little need to buy one... [00:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:26] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [00:30] They should buy lappys for the dev staff, but we can't get good prices from Dell on those like we can on our servers and workstations [00:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:33] rworkman: I'm guessing he didn't go for your suggestions? [00:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:34] No response. Probably means no. [00:35] mernilio (1000@h-223-74.A258.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [00:35] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:35] mernilio kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Ooh, look, it's moron mernil! Oh, you're still banned - I had removed it since you hadn't been around in a while. I thought maybe you'd stepped in front of a bus or something. [00:35] He doesn't like me, for what it's worth. [00:35] That never helps [00:35] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] it means that your reasons were justified and he can't figure out how to say no [00:36] It's the same guy who asked me "what were you up to?" when I reported that rDNS for an ip didn't match forward DNS for the name [00:36] "Why are you looking at our rDNS?" [00:36] lol [00:36] say proactiveness and mitigation [00:37] lol [00:37] razzzat (~razzzat@166.132.28.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:37] rworkman: What does your job typically entail? [00:37] Why compiz wont work on my slack13? [00:37] I have seen friends victimized like that for being 'smart' [00:37] FriedBob: I'm a high school science teacher. [00:38] rworkman: like mr arzt? [00:38] rworkman: lol. Fun. I have a friend who is a teacher. Getting ready to move to the KC area to teach [00:38] Part of the justification I gave today for having the linux laptop on the net was that I needed some linux-based forensic software to try and recover a dead hdd. [00:38] Then I was informed that "it is not your responsibility to work on district equipment." [00:39] lol [00:39] datace: you *might* possibly need to provide more details... :-p [00:39] Probably I didn't help matters when I explained that "I was trying to make sure you guys had time to investigate non-issues like why someone is looking at your rDNS." [00:39] Respond with that you are saving them hundreds, or thousands in fees? [00:40] But I'm not - they will tell my colleage "tough shit" [00:40] Oi vech [00:40] john_dee (~id@95-29-184-244.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:40] rworkman: I may not know the details of your jobspec but those kind of crappy responses disappear with written correspondence i.e. email your request [00:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:40] This was *all* over email. He CC'd the personnel director and my principal on his first mail. I also know how to play that game, so I did too on my replies. [00:40] I can't wait till I get my Masters. [00:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:41] Those classes are gonna be FUN [00:41] I'm not going to win, but I'm going to enjoy the fight. [00:41] thats a road to destruction [00:41] Nah, I don't have to be liked to have job security. :) [00:41] john_dee (~id@95-29-184-244.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:41] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [00:42] that's what unions are for [00:42] well good once you _have_ the security [00:42] with the world going contracts unions are loosing teeth [00:42] i think it's a requirement for school IT departments to be worthless [00:42] I don't normally have much use for unions (I think they're more bad than good), but this is one case where I'm glad to be in one :) [00:43] There was a point in time when unions were good, and were needed. [00:43] like the oil and sugar trade movement back in the days lol [00:43] But I think by and large, they have outlived their usefulness. Or at least gotten too big and too greedy. [00:43] The IT Director admitted that (in writing) that they've never enforced the policy in the past, so they *know* they aren't going to discipline me for this time. Therefore, they can kiss my ass and read my emails :) [00:44] I think they are a large reason that the US Auto and airline industries are in such bad shape. [00:44] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [00:44] so send the damn thing for them to fix and keep emailing for progress updates [00:45] TriniTuX: That'll just piss 'em off more. [00:45] So? [00:45] I've has clients do that to me [00:45] hello, I'm trying to upgrade -current with slackpkg but I'm getting lots of md5 errors, also I noticed that the .asc are been downloaded and it tries to handle it like regular packages [00:45] so you are following protocol [00:45] The guy already doesn't like me, so tough shit. [00:45] I wind up telling them that I can either work on it, or I can talk to them about it, but not both [00:47] node357 (~seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] I should go to bed soon I think. I really don't want to go to work in the morning. [00:47] sigh; ever notice the only people stressed are the ones who care or have a high iq [00:47] or both [00:47] hi, any idea how to play dvd on slackware? a guide said to install libdvdcss so I did, but still I get errors in every program when trying to play a dvd [00:47] libdvdread [00:47] steinberg (~sb@67.23.167.36) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:48] any up to date -current mirror? [00:48] or css [00:48] libdvdcss is only for decrypting the stream - you still need libdvdread [00:48] Well, I did point out that since they obviously had extra time these days, they might consider fixing a problem that I reported two years ago on my school desktop (actually a problem at the DC side). I had told them back then that I would work around it by manually attaching the network shares, but since it wasn't my responsibility to service district machines, I would no longer be doing that, and I need those network shares to do my job. [00:48] I forget [00:48] okay, thank you [00:48] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] rworkman: Nice. [00:48] This was on the CC'd mail to the personnel director and my principal. They had that fixed in about ten minutes. :) [00:48] node357, you may need dvdnav as well [00:48] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [00:48] alright, thanks MLanden [00:49] time to stop doing favours eh? [00:49] P4C0, slackware.mirrors.tds.net [00:49] alisonken1noc: thanks [00:49] TriniTuX: indeed. If the power cord comes unplugged, I'll be putting in a work order. Fuck them. [00:50] rworkman: I hope thats a metaphore; the power cord that is, but I see your point [00:51] Well, it's possible that I won't know it's the power cord. I would have checked, but I didn't want to take the risk of overstepping my responsibilities. [00:51] W00T: "And with that, we're calling this Slackware 13.1 BETA1" [00:51] rworkman: yep just don't 'say' that in the email [00:52] Oh, absolutely not. [00:52] if you overstep your responsibilities you can sometimes be punished when things go awry [00:52] (sadly enough) [00:52] rworkman: talking to you is like dejavu from 2006 at the University of Trinidad and Tobago [00:52] or promoted to upper management and not allowed to work on the equipment [00:52] http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-11-02/ [00:53] Responsibilities? Aren't you just suppose to get ahead by playing golf well? [00:53] hehe [00:54] my favorite is when you get stuff fixed then "oh well i can't any more, now you have to go through Mr ____" [00:54] this damn thing still won't play.... [00:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:54] wait, i got it... thanks.. and sorry for the bitching [00:54] is it okay if I idle in here? [00:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:55] node357: is it a p0rn dvd? :p [00:55] node357, um yes, there are many of them already [00:55] How did you know that [00:55] wait, no! [00:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:55] it's The Matrix :D [00:55] cause the bitching :p [00:55] it has me! omg! :p [00:55] hehe [00:56] :) [00:56] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:56] I have libdvdcss, nav, play & read and all my dvds work [00:57] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:57] there used to be issues with encrypted dvd or something like that, is that something from the past already? (sorry I'm not into dvd that much) [00:59] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [00:59] the issues are legal ones, not technical ones [01:00] Action: Delahunt hates legal issues [01:00] yeah [01:01] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.108) joined ##slackware. [01:01] we don't know whether its porn reenactment of the matrix though node357 [01:01] trinity is hot :) [01:01] bleh [01:02] i was trying to come up with a kinky version of the movie title [01:02] but alas, its not as easy as usual [01:02] belluci > moss [01:04] hmm [01:04] i'm really liking this bartab firefox plugin [01:04] however, fwiw, believable beauty > unbelievable beauty [01:04] omg not you too! [01:05] lol me? about bartab? [01:05] haha [01:05] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Action: TriniTuX is installing bar tab [01:08] :3 [01:08] hey it looks promising [01:09] yeah, i don't want to load like 10-20 tabs when i restore firefox after it crashes :) [01:09] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:09] yep def useful [01:10] why do you need that many tabs? [01:10] i lied...i only have about 10 [01:10] lol [01:10] i tried to make it sound more useful by saying 10-20 [01:10] I can find a reason to have 20 open now though [01:11] What is the latest kernel avalible for Slack? [01:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:11] Kyril: slackware-current is at 2.6.33.3 [01:11] forgot what stable was at though [01:11] then there is testing [01:13] fhobia : thank you [01:13] Kyril: i'd check one of the slackware distribution sites ... probably under slackware and then k directory [01:13] ok, i see it, 2.6.29.6 for stable, Kyril [01:14] fhobia : -current can be compared to what in term of stability / package availibility ? [01:14] (Currently on F13) [01:14] its the next iteration of slackware in development [01:14] so there could be issues [01:14] Kyril: development version. Newer software, but things might be unstable at some points and you are supposed to know what you are doing. [01:15] what BP{k} said :3 [01:15] be careful which you choose because the recent kernels all use sda for hdd even if you are using an ide drive [01:16] My hardware is recent [01:16] lucky you lol [01:16] nice upgrades im going for them [01:16] I'm wondering since i need a > 2.6.32 kernel for KMS w. RV770 [01:16] Or something like that... [01:16] BP{k}, I would say "ongoing testing of the next Slackware" rather than "Development", but that works too [01:17] TriniTuX, it's not the kernel that changes hdX to sdX, it's the switch to libata [01:17] well, installation is nearly the same, so if you fail on one you can try the other Kyril [01:17] you can know what you are doing or you can just not care and go for it [01:18] i went with current, because i read that my wireless card is in bad shape in 2.6.29 [01:18] other machines i just go with stable, because i'm lazy [01:18] let's just say it should be stable, but if it's broke, just complaining may not get you the results you want :) [01:18] hmm what if I still have ide hd? [01:18] P4C0: it will be renamed. [01:18] alisonken1: right thanks [01:18] P4C0: you're ok! [01:19] BP{k}: thanks, good to know ;) [01:19] P4C0, ide drives are still ide drives, but they're accessed as /dev/sdX rather than /dev/hdX [01:19] due to pata sda reorganization in the kernel [01:19] imho it's a good thing [01:20] I remember that changelog; fun 'fixing' my system 2 mins before a presentation [01:20] lol you live live dangerously, TriniTuX [01:20] yep its no fun if you don't break it [01:20] extreme sports ;) [01:21] haha nice [01:21] extreme slack! :) [01:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:21] *avoid saying something...* [01:21] my wife hd has 1 reallocated sector, it doesn't boot into windows anymore... no backups, so all the weeding and moment pictures are there :p will try to recover it tomorrow :p [01:22] Kyril: ? [01:22] P4C0 : good luck trying to sleep ! :P [01:22] more importantly other stuff in the hidden folder on D: needs to be recovered ;) [01:22] Mhm, i'm on F13 w. updates-testing system wide... [01:22] i know, i'm bad.. [01:22] its ok [01:22] :3 [01:23] nah, not my fault, i told her to copy them to dvd or something, but she is as lazy as me [01:24] SELinux only target network services on Slack (w. default policy)? [01:24] *the [01:24] sorry... English isn't my first spoken language [01:24] SELinux on slack?? when? where? why? why? [01:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:26] Kyril: I just said its only fun if you break it [01:26] Mhm, i could port the targeted policy from Fedora to Slackware i guess :) [01:26] how to get just some files in a folder with rsync? i use rsync --exclude 'folder' --include 'folder/pattern' rsync://server /dest but not work [01:27] fonseg, use --exclude or --include, but not both [01:28] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:28] in most cases, start with the base directory and then --exclude as needed [01:29] rsync --exclude folder/ /folder/to/sync/ host:/destination/folder [01:30] one we use a lot is rsync -av -e 'ssh' ... [01:31] i'll go to bed, bye bye [01:31] nite [01:31] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:31] night ! [01:31] Kyril, why not just figure out how to harden what you have rather than copy off another distro? [01:31] fonseg: also you can rsync /path/file /path/file2 .... host:/destination/folder should work as well [01:32] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/linux/securing/securing.html [01:32] alisonken1noc: thanks, though that rsync syntax seems rather unlogical to me [01:32] (i'm no security expert but that's what i've learned over the years) [01:32] Delahunt : Yep, but that's not MAC [01:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:32] well, rsync isn't exactly from the dos world :) [01:32] folks I'm heading out as well, 73s [01:33] Kyril, some stuff applies on MAC [01:33] catch ya on the flip side [01:33] MAC ? [01:33] heh! [01:33] mandatory access control [01:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:33] oh ok [01:33] TriniTuX (chatzilla@cuscon152004.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware ("bye bye"). [01:33] ::fhew:: . . . [01:33] oh MAC [01:34] i thought Mac like Apple :S [01:34] M.A.C. - not Mac [01:34] Yep, sorry....^ [01:34] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:34] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:35] Anyways, good night guys [01:35] I appreciate the info, thanks. [01:36] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-156.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Night [01:37] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [01:40] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839574.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:41] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[02:12] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-145.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:13] Nick change: oobe -> oobe-nick-collis [02:14] Nick change: oobe-nick-collis -> oobe [02:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:16] Action: slava_dp wows @ Pat+kde4.4 [02:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:17] what is the download size of the latest update to -current? i'm thinking if I shouldn't be downloading it at work.... [02:20] hmm i'm not sure, maybe you can look at the sizes of the packages on one of the slackware mirrors ? [02:20] too bad rsync -n does not show the real size of updates, only the ~100kb data it actually transmits [02:20] slava_dp, probably at least 500mb to a gig [02:21] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [02:21] i'd say a gig [02:21] jeev, now that will not be acceptable for work :) will leave it for home then. [02:21] haha you brought your slack laptop to work, slava_dp ? [02:22] nope, my work computer is running -current and has a mirror. [02:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat SO delicious man [02:22] if that's what i think it is.. armenians call it "new world" i dunno why but [02:22] it's so damn good [02:24] anyone ever had it [02:24] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:25] My aunt used to have a tree in her backyard (or it was the neighbours overhanging into hers, I can't remember...). I remember they tasted alright, but I haven't had them in forever [02:25] wiki says the fruits don't survive transportation, and can only be had in the countries where they grow (Israel + Italy) [02:25] it's so good man i wanna try to grow it [02:25] slava_dp, they grow in the mid-east and in the u.s. [02:26] it bruises easily though.. [02:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat#Production <- They grow pretty much everywhere it would appear [02:28] speaking of israel, joe lieberman/scott brown's new law about "revoking citizenship" specifically exempts "those who fight for israel" [02:28] funny shit [02:29] yea LSD`, i just wonder why armenians call it new world <- armenian [02:29] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-96.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:29] guess what nationality this lieberman is then :) [02:30] yea slava_dp, it's obvious who he's catering to, he's always been that way [02:30] the jewish are everywhere.... even here and now in Dnipropetrovsk a large jewish memorial center is being built. (there is no Ukrainian memorial center still, but there will soon be a jewish one(!) [02:31] :) [02:31] They have Israel, why do they need to build other memorial centres? :P [02:31] slava_dp, there's a lot of things we'll never understand, i dont hate them but i think they're really putting themselves in th emiddle of shit. [02:31] and i dont think it's the jews who want to live in peace, it's the other ones who want to dominate the world, using the jews as human shields [02:32] Adult use legalization could net the state some $1.4 billion in revenues, according to California's Legislative Analyst's Office, or more than $1.2 billion by California NORML's estimate. [02:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:32] ^ i dont get why they dont just legalize the fucking thing already [02:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:34] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [02:35] bastards are all asleep [02:36] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se expired. [02:36] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:36] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:38] 1.4 billion? Seriously? Without regulation and control (which the hippies will fight tooth and nail), they won't be in line to make any more money than they were with it illegal. The best they can hope for is saving the money they were spending on police, courts, etc and on that, it was costing them 1.4 billion?!> [02:38] Taxes. [02:38] ck and polkit! :o [02:38] They can tax the sale. [02:38] Motoko-chan: unless they control the production and supply, they can't [02:39] Sales tax. [02:39] Motoko-chan: from where? [02:39] Like tobacco. [02:39] adrien, all of a sudden :) [02:40] Motoko-chan: Tobacco taxes work because of regulation on the production. They aren't going to make a cent from people growing plants in their backyard and selling it from there. [02:41] why should it be taxed if the user is growing it [02:41] Either way, time for bed for mew [02:41] me [02:42] slava_dp: well, was pretty surprised to see these added to slackware ;-) [02:43] We have been fooling you all along :-) Eric [02:43] LOL [02:43] yeah, maybe :P [02:44] read the last comment http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde-4-4-3-packages-for-slackware-current/#comments [02:44] oh yeah, that means no more hal ? [02:45] eh, not really [02:45] and hadn't seen but 13.1 beta [02:45] I hoped there would be the kernel 2.6.34 and newer xorg-server though =/ [02:45] hmm i think i'm going to end my slack subscription [02:45] i don't need the cd/dvds [02:45] s/wouldbe/would have been/ [02:45] have to figure another way to support [02:45] 2.6.34 is not released yet [02:46] adrien: .34 has something you need ? [02:47] nouveau support that works with the xorg-server currently in slackware [02:47] oh, i c [02:47] and I need to have a few patches done too [02:47] oh well, you'll have to build your own kernel i guess, have you built your own kernel before ? [02:47] (well, .34 has one or two crashers for this laptop but I can have them debugged and probably fixed) [02:47] .34 also has a fix for my NIC too [02:48] must have gotten a new laptop [02:48] no, almost 3 years ol [02:48] d [02:48] oh, i c [02:48] yeah, i had thinkpad that didn't get DRI for 5 years [02:48] so i can understand ha ha ha [02:48] they broke one or two things in .34 but next week I'll have enough time to debug/report that [02:48] nice :) [02:49] *yawn& [02:49] ah, there are people actually using the release candidates 8) [02:49] I don't believe nouveau was ready for the mainstream, there's still too many yellow and red boxes in their hw support matrix, especially in the older cards that need it most [02:50] .33 is at a .3 minor, do you really think that noveau fixes aren;'t going into that and you need .34? [02:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:50] LSD`: thing is you can now boot with something that doesn't damage your eyes, if you want, you can install another driver, pretty easily [02:50] and nouveau works well, and if it doesn't for you, nv should (nv is horrible on newer cards) [02:53] nv is horrible, period. And I get the need for something better, it's just that newer cards are supported well enough by the current proprietary driver while older cards have to deal with the messcreated by something like 3 different versions of that driver. [02:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:54] also nouveau is a *lot* more stable than nvidia [02:56] Damn, I have a pimple behind the ear [02:56] weird [02:56] at least its not visible [02:56] Yeah [02:57] or it could be on your lip ...those suck ! [02:57] err no on your eyelid [02:57] man, those are weird [02:57] hmmm, never had one of those [02:57] lol [02:57] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [02:58] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [02:59] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:59] one thing i'm excited to play with is ceph... [03:00] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:00] ceph ? [03:00] tck9 (~gentoo@S010600a2bc4a5271.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:00] http://ceph.newdream.net/ [03:01] Hmm... I just took a closer look at their status matrix and it appears I wasn't as up on model number/series names as I thought I was. NV30, 40 and 50 covers enough of what's realistically still in use so I guess it's not as much of an issue as I thought... [03:01] mancha: cool, you have a petabyte worth of storage to use it on ? [03:02] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:06] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:07] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:08] LSD`: I have a 8600M GS, which is nv50 [03:09] Yeah, they go back as far as NV30 (GF FX), but I thought that was further along than it was [03:10] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-14-153.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:12] All the rebranding and relaunching nVidia has done over the past 2-3 years has thrown me when it comes to tracking the eveloution of the architecture [03:13] mancha, yep - we're building a rack or two of servers just to work on ceph [03:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-96.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:19] OMG OMG OMG [03:19] Why I didn't check the changelog yesterday ! KDE 4.4.3 ! And with that, we're calling this Slackware 13.1 BETA1. A stable release [03:19] should be just around the corner... [03:19] =D [03:19] Action: Ephedrax jump around [03:20] that's what i like to see, damnit. passion! [03:20] =)) [03:20] (not joking) [03:20] how do i tell if i have bluetooth? :3 [03:21] hehe [03:21] fhobia: lsusb should tell you, even if it's internal [03:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:21] so the new kde is the thrust of 13.1 ? :) [03:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:22] must be a big improvement [03:22] +1 [03:22] Action: fhobia hopes k3b has improved . . . [03:22] there've been other significant changes iirc, glibc, udev, bash, bluez [03:23] Action: fhobia doesn't care about amarok anymore [03:23] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [03:23] any user facing impact from glibc changes, mancha ? [03:23] come again? [03:24] mancha: if he upgrades, will anything break [03:24] oh, i always see glibc updates, but i guess i don't know what changes impact the user experience [03:24] i figure some bugs have been squashed and its more stable i guess [03:24] Action: fhobia should go read the changes [03:24] news calls available [03:24] some newer sw will not build against older glibc [03:24] ah, ok [03:25] s/news/new [03:25] Ephedrax, wouldn't have helped - the kde 4.4.3 changes didn't happen until a few hours ago :) [03:25] but we knew about it much earlier than you, Ephedrax [03:25] wa ha ha [03:26] hum ? [03:26] nothing, just joking around [03:26] Ephedrax, your comment about checking the changelog yesterday [03:26] yep [03:27] Thu May 6 21:02:02 UTC 2010 [03:27] I just missed some hours ;) [03:27] I just finished syncing my mirror here to catch up [03:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.71.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:32] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) joined ##slackware. [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.86.63) joined ##slackware. [03:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:42] how do i hide the User-Agent and Message-ID on mutt? [03:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:45] guo (~chatzilla@222.70.27.8) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Nick change: guo -> vincen [03:46] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [03:46] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-099-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:46] help [03:47] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [03:47] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422193.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:47] vincen: what's wrong ? [03:48] sorry, i want to show the help [03:48] I send an SOS to the world [03:48] missing / [03:48] :) [03:48] oh ok, carry on then, vincen :) [03:48] ::fhew:: [03:48] fhobia [03:48] yeah, datace [03:48] \/\/\//\///\\\\/////\\///help [03:49] o_o [03:49] [3~ [03:49] fhobia - What application will I install to run windows program. X86_64 platform. [03:49] [03:49] whine [03:49] slack13 [03:49] datace: probably "wine" [03:49] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] :)) [03:50] if you have windows, virtualbox works too [03:50] wine, except it's experimental for 64 win apps [03:50] i don't use x86_64 so i'm not sure if wine works on that [03:50] or virtual or vmware [03:50] oh ok [03:50] virtualbox or vmware [03:50] multilib + wine [03:50] not wine64 [03:50] but if you want 32 win apps download 32 bit version of wine [03:50] what adrien said [03:50] fhobia - are you using 32 bit slackware 13? [03:51] datace: yeah [03:51] uh [03:51] then just wine, no multilib [03:51] How you dat install 32 bit? [03:51] datace: it just seemed like flash would work better on 32-bit, so i just decided to go with slack 32 [03:52] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:52] fhobia: probably hindered other things thou [03:52] Just how many fully 64 bit Windows apps are there anyway? o_O [03:52] hmmm, nice, xfs deletion performance that doesn't suck \o/ [03:52] datace: just downloaded it from slackware-current instead of slackware64-current and installed the packages [03:52] LSD`: lots =) [03:52] mina86: ? [03:52] fhobia - How you install slack 13 as 32 bit??? [03:53] fhobia: besides, i'm using flash64 and I'm fine [03:53] flash works fine on 64bit [03:53] fhobia: with enough RAM 64 works faster [03:53] mina86: oh ok, i didn't even try flash on 64 so :) [03:53] ah ok, i see [03:53] well, i hope in the future i'll be on 64 :) [03:54] fhobia - How you install slack 13 as 32 bit??? [03:54] datace: same way as you installed slackware 64 but just used the slackware packages [03:54] I mean, if you have 32 it's probably not worth switching just for the sake of bits [03:54] what link? [03:54] regular "slackware" is 32-bit while "slackware64" is 64-bit packages i believe [03:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:54] same place you got slackware - just add a 64 to the directory [03:54] check any of the slackware mirrors [03:54] fhobia: I believe they are both Slackware [03:54] theres a corresponding "slackware64" [03:55] I mean the name [03:55] but otherwise you are right [03:55] i see... [03:55] ftp://slackware.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/ [03:55] It could just be an idiosyncrasy of the distro, but I've only managed to get flash wrking halfway well in firefox on 64 bit. Fine if you use firefox I guess... [03:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:55] see a slackware64-13.0 directory [03:55] vs slackware-13.0 [03:55] you just use the packages in the 64 directory [03:55] LSD`: I got it working on Opera... [03:55] i believe [03:56] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424039.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:57] mina86: it works in Opera in as much as it will appear and play, but you can't do anything with it because it's permanently locked in "Click to activate and use this control" mode [03:57] fhobia - so your slackware is 32-bit x86? [03:57] yeah [03:57] LSD`: well, I dunno, works for me [03:58] 2.6.33.3-smp #2 SMP Sat May 1 00:26:54 CDT 2010 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU U7300 @ 1.30GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [03:58] is my uname -a output [03:58] probably 64-bit shows something different [03:58] x86_64 instead of i686 :P [03:58] 8) [03:58] Linux erwin 2.6.32.12-mn #7 SMP Mon Apr 26 20:09:40 CEST 2010 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) II X3 710 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [03:59] fhobia - Why u install slack 13 32bit instead of 64 bit, what s ur own opinion? [03:59] :] [03:59] datace: i'm not one to talk..i never tried 64 bit - i just installed it because i read some forum post about 32-bit flash videos playig a bit better [03:59] i have no real world experiece with 64-bit linux [03:59] crap once improved remains crap [04:00] oh, except at work...but that has over 10 cores... [04:00] :) [04:00] I'm still of the opinion that unless you genuinely need 64-bit (having 4GB or more RAM barely cuts it as a reason to need it) then you should stick with 32, much less hassle [04:00] or not [04:00] is it okay to chmod go-rx /usr/sbin ? [04:01] on 64bit, you can use strings of more than 16MB, the 16MB limitation on 32 is ... *small* [04:01] that alone can be a good reason to use 64bit and it's also often faster [04:01] strings? like program names or something? [04:01] adrien: ? [04:02] adrien: "strings of more than 16MB"? [04:02] java jvm can use more ram on x86_64 [04:02] yes, in programs [04:02] oh, yeah, java the pig [04:02] lol [04:02] LSD`: 64 is actually faster if you have like 2G or more [04:02] LSD`: besides, you can handle up to 64G on 32bit [04:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:03] vincen: any app can use more RAM on x86_64, but we haven't quite progressed far enough that developers can/do completely ignore 32 bit yet [04:03] What actually the diffirence if ur running 32 bit or 64 bit? [04:03] Nick change: wario -> OutBound [04:03] datace: address space is bigger [04:04] mina86: PAE is a less than ideal way of handling it to the point I suggest people run 64 bit instead of that, that's what I was getting at when I said "barely cuts it" [04:04] datace: thus you can handle up to 2^64 bytes of RAM in theory [04:04] datace: there are also more registers which may speed things up [04:04] mina86: it's not even 2^64 yet, more like 2^48 I believe [04:04] 56 [04:04] LSD`: yes, that's why I've said theoretycally [04:05] datace: also, operations on big integers are faster which helps SSL and such [04:05] datace: on the downside, pointers are 8 bytes [04:06] datace: stack is alligned to 8 bytes even if you push 4bytes [04:06] :) [04:06] so ur on 64 bit mina? [04:06] datace: addres translation is slower as there are more levels of tables [04:06] yes [04:07] i use 64 bit also [04:07] Also, I never denied there weren't situations where it's useful and even necessary to go 64 bit, just that they get fewer and further between the closer you get to user desktop situations [04:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:07] and that's why, I always keep saying that with little RAM 64 will be wors [04:07] I actually tested it back then I had .5G [04:07] I also find 64bit to be "clearner", there are less kludges involved for the OS to work properly, which means more stability too [04:07] worst [04:07] cleaner* [04:08] ok, brb, my cup is empty... [04:08] need tea... [04:09] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:10] adrien: x86_64 is a kludge in and of itself, really. x86 was never great to begin with, _64 just compounds the problem. [04:10] good night, thanks for the help [04:10] node357 (~seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:10] i use 32 with PAE enabled, it looks like i should moving to 64 bit soon :) [04:10] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:11] so long and thanks for all the fish [04:11] !? [04:11] fhobia: you've never heard of hitchikers guide to the galaxy?!? [04:11] i've heard of it [04:11] yeah, i should read it huh ? [04:13] the quote from OutBound is from the book [04:13] or about it [04:14] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [04:14] __marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [04:14] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [04:14] __marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:14] ah, i c [04:15] i rememmber when slackware dropped xmms - i think xmms dudes put that quote on their page with some old dude on a boat [04:15] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.108) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:15] it was the dolphins that said it [04:15] reaver7 (~reaver7@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:15] fhobia: it was probably the most attention anyone paid to xmms in ages, heh [04:15] 8) [04:16] lol just went to about:config in firefox and it warns me about voiding my warranty [04:16] cooommme oooon [04:17] btw. do people ban here for away nicks? [04:17] i don't think so [04:17] but people will make jokes about it [04:17] yes the bot bans/kicks [04:17] oh [04:17] ha ha ha [04:18] LSD`: 64 removes some legacy thoug [04:18] 'll have to turn it off then [04:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:19] mina86: so did i386 too in the beginning. The problem is you still have to wade through all that crap before you get anywhere near 64 bit because too much will break if you just rip it out [04:20] agreed [04:20] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:20] that's why I dream of ARM netbook [04:21] but hope is in like 10 years _64 will drop the compatibility mode [04:21] or maybe not... [04:21] Even though it's getting there, ARM is still a ways off from being suitable for general desktop tasks. It'll be an interesting time when it gets there though [04:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:22] mina86: It's been 30 years yet we're still tied to real mode through the use of BIOS, another 10 probably isn't going to change that [04:22] I work with ARM an dailsy basis but never looked closly to it so I'll just trust you on this one [04:23] yes, that's what I realised second after commentig ;) [04:23] There's every chance I could be completely wrong in that conclusion, I'm just going on how every second cellphone review I read criticises performance and that's just with basic cellphone stuff [04:24] I dunno if that's really CPU fault [04:25] or at least if CPU is the only culprit [04:26] mina86: http://noobfarm.org?id=1797 [04:27] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:28] mancha: ;) [04:28] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:29] personally I like away nicks and ignare all joins, parts, quits and nicks [04:30] http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/away.html [04:30] I mean, it provides valuable information about the porson [04:31] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1930 [04:32] let me just clarify that the only usage I consider right is when one goes away for a long time, like few hours [04:35] *yawn& [04:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:41] well dnssec's been fully deployed at the root level. thoughts? [04:42] it changed google's front page, i don't like it, i tell ya, i don't like it none [04:43] phew, haven't been banned -- probably disabling awaynick worked ;) [04:43] thats all it takes [04:43] Skywise: don't like balley? [04:44] no, actually i do like it, its more compact [04:44] i was just being reactionary [04:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:52] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) joined ##slackware. [04:54] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [04:57] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [04:59] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:01] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [05:03] hey guys! 8oD [05:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:03] hi -) [05:09] Operated (~Operated@91.214.69.11) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Operated (~Operated@91.214.69.11) left irc: Excess Flood [05:09] Operated (~Operated@91.214.69.11) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Operated (~Operated@91.214.69.11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:12] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [05:13] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [05:13] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | Public Channel Logs: http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26 2009 | Torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: kdebase-workspace, sudo, irssi | Slackware 13.1 Bet [05:14] Bet...a ='( [05:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:15] ah, heh [05:15] 13.1beta ? [05:15] shorten the torrents link ? [05:15] 13.1 Bet! lol [05:15] second, i'll fix =) [05:16] btw. how does the supscription work in slackware store and why is it cheaper by 10 USD? [05:16] because it's a recurring order, they give you a break on the price [05:16] mina86, every release is sent to you and your card is billed [05:16] john_dee (~id@95-29-184-244.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:16] whenever the final release comes out, they charge your card that's on file and send you the new cd set/dvd [05:16] zoran119 (~zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:16] ah, neat, what if I don't have money on my card? [05:17] but the point being ... Slackware 13.1 Beta1 Released! =) [05:17] then it's a fail [05:17] uh... [05:17] you don't get it shipped [05:17] i will be renewing my subscription when 13.1 is released [05:17] phrag, if you already have a subscription, then it's automatic [05:17] 1st open beta [05:17] b careful) [05:17] w/it -) [05:17] phrag, or did you cancel your previous subscription? [05:17] yeh i had to cancel it last year to.. feed myself =P [05:18] ah [05:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:18] I believe if you subscribe now, it will resume on the next release [05:18] check the notes on subscription [05:18] but 13.0 will be shipped first [05:18] phrag: uh... food, Slack -- I'd chosen Slackware ;) [05:18] not when I started my subscription - since the beta is out, I was sent the next release [05:19] mina86: yeh, i failed =P [05:19] plus I believe you can add a note that says next release [05:21] mina86, yep - you can always hit up mom/sister/friends for food :) [05:21] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Public Channel Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26 2009 | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Security: kdebase-workspace, sudo, irssi | Slackware 13.1 Beta1 Released! [05:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:22] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [05:23] for me, the worst thing is that shiping takes like half the costs... [05:23] alphageek (rooot@206-248-131-150.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:23] well, maybe not half, but still ;) [05:24] where is the beta released? [05:24] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:24] hi there, please how to pipe gcc log in a text file : "gcc ... > log" didn't worked =( [05:24] 2> [05:24] malikcpp: 2> instead of > [05:24] thank you very much mina86 [05:25] gcc ... 2>&1 | tee log [05:25] mancha, see your local mirror under -current :) [05:26] mancha, the beta is released in the ChangeLog.txt, as usual :) [05:26] alison, what i mean is, -current is a rolling snapshot right? [05:26] slava_dp: 2> worked [05:26] whatever [05:27] mancha, it's the testbed of the next release. it's also where new packages are allowed to be tested for bugs before getting included in the next release [05:27] slava_dp: =P thx ... but i've to read again the slackbook [05:27] so it's sort of arbitrary to say the state of -current on may 6 is called 13.1beta :) [05:27] usually when one releases a beta, theren's a packaging effort: a tarball, an iso, etc. [05:27] malikcpp, it's bash essentials. http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/howto/redirection_tutorial [05:28] mancha, anything that the changelog posts as "Beta" or "Release Canditate" in the notes is up to Pat to decide :) [05:28] malikcpp: only Pat did that so it's not arbitrary [05:28] arbitrary - yes. but typically 6-8 month cycle [05:28] jlindsay (~none@c-71-228-171-33.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:28] everyone happy with the url shortners? [05:28] yeah, works for me [05:28] it's just weird. [05:28] mancha, Pat does not bother to make isos. you can make them in 3 mins from your local tree. instructions in isolinux/ [05:28] phrag, gotta do what ya gotta do to get the info out :) [05:28] compression ftw =P [05:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:29] i'm misundestood :( [05:29] phrag, the only question is will those tinyurl sites keep the links for a while? or are they timed-destruct links? [05:29] mancha, misunderstood how? [05:30] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [05:30] according to the site, they are permanent [05:30] phrag, i really like the previewable shorteners [05:31] mancha: you can do that with is.gd by adding a - on the end of the url, like http://is.gd/bYfRK- [05:32] phrag, aha, then i like it :) in tinyurl, you preface "preview" [05:32] =) [05:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:33] i guess my point is there's no discrete beta snapshot kept. say tomorrow Pat changes something in who knows, say coreutils. [05:33] then Slack13.1beta is lost forever [05:33] exactly [05:33] yeh, and it's very likely [05:33] except those who somehow kept the may 6 snapshot somewhere [05:33] mancha: so dowload the current state... [05:33] i guess it's just his way of officially saying... we are very close to 13.1 release [05:33] no - after pat declares beta/RC, he only put's in bug fixes [05:34] i'm sometimes regretting there are no back-archives of upgraded packages [05:34] alison, are you not understanding what i type??! [05:34] it takes something extreme for him to add a new package after that [05:34] Morn :( [05:34] mancha: if you want to keep snapshots with history, there's an option in rsync that allows you to do that [05:34] there could be numerous -current updates after beta1, which won't be labeled as betaN, just -current [05:34] Zordrak, o/ :) [05:35] phrag, yes, i get that. i guess it could have been solved with a noe in the changelog: Slackware 13.1 around the corner :) [05:35] it's more just a land mark i guess, but your point is taken [05:35] morning Zordrak, cheer up, it's beta1 day! =) [05:35] phrag, i am not very passionate about this, just was feeling weird cause no one seemed to understand what i was trying to say at first :P~ [05:35] now that pat is "stealing" (in the good sense) some of alienBOB's work, will we have vlc too? [05:36] phrag: No, it's I'm STILL living in a totalitarian communist dictatorship and don't know when or if it's ever going to end day. [05:36] we have xine and mplayer [05:37] yeah, mplayer and smplayer is good enough. [05:37] he should mainline vlc i think [05:37] xine (Dragon Player) is good enough. I never use mplayer [05:37] they're both far from perfect, in my user oppinion [05:37] it's a solid player (pretty complete) and alien's package has been field tested long enough [05:37] I can't even decide which one I like less :p [05:38] though i do think vlc uses a lot of patent-burdened stuff...so pat's release would be pretty limited i guess [05:38] I would only lose mp3 and aac encoding in that case, I think [05:38] Although Pat uses my VLC at home, I think it will not be added to Slackware as a package [05:38] alienBOB: which is pretty what ppl use [05:39] mina86, ENcoding [05:39] vlc ftw [05:39] Decoding would be supported of course [05:39] hmm... till 2015 [05:39] or something... [05:40] find / -iname "*.mp3" -exec mp3toogg {} \; [05:40] doesn't AAC have the same restrictions as H264? [05:40] in 2015, of course :) [05:41] wouln't you also lose amr and css stuff? [05:41] I cared about the jre and jdk in current, the new update fixed some security issues. [05:42] is it at u20? [05:42] alienBOB: You and I have different views on the meaning of the word "soon" :) [05:42] yeah [05:42] now u19 in current [05:43] i meant was current at u20 :) [05:44] YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!! [05:44] Action: Zordrak is listening to Nick Clegg [05:45] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:45] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:46] Zordrak: where did I use the word "soon" ? [05:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:46] alienBOB: when you gave me a kindly nod a week or so ago that i should not hold for 13.1 as it would probably not be soon :) [05:47] do i need those policy packages if u dont use kde or something? [05:47] s/u/i [05:47] cteg, as of now xfce doesn't authenticate with the kits [05:47] 4.8.x is nearing though and i have no idea what the development plan is [05:48] xfce in -current is now started with ck, see the changelog [05:48] so the answer is yes [05:48] i dont use xfce either so i guess i dont have do bother with that anyway [05:48] thanks [05:48] slava_dp i don't think that is corrent [05:50] you can clearly not launch with consolkit if you prefer [05:50] yes. an edit of xinitrc.xfce will do. [05:50] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Quit: Insert generic quit message here [05:51] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [05:52] yep, sed 's/ck-launch-session//' [05:53] sed 's/.*ck-launch-session/#&/' [05:53] the sed-foo voltage is increasing.... [05:53] ;) [05:54] btw. have yeu seen sokoban.sed? [05:54] except that'll break it [05:54] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) left irc: Quit: Chivas Royal Salute 21 Y.O. here I come! [05:54] uh, ok, I wasn't aware how the initrc looks [05:54] it'll turn "exec ck-launch-session xfce-session" to "#exec ck-launch-session xfce-session" [05:55] we want "exec xfce-session" or summit [05:55] http://aurelio.net/sed/sokoban/sokoban.sed [05:55] Cassull (~lys@p5DC13DAC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-177-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] mancha: I thought it's command on its own [05:56] Cassull (lys@p5DC13DAC.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [05:56] don't mind me then ;) [05:56] just generating noise [05:56] it's a wrapper launcher thing [05:57] mina, wow, that's a neat site/game! [05:57] Action: mina86 nods [05:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:58] i'd be scared to run into the creator of sokoban.sed in a dark alley! [05:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:58] hehe [05:58] it's really a simple idea actually [05:59] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:59] adrien (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:59] if you move left then " @" changes to "@ ", " o@" to "o@ " etc. [06:01] OK - time for lunch. i was happy to see people get passionate about 13.1 [06:02] pat should announce it hisself here and do a Q&A [06:02] he'll probably come [06:02] "An Hour with Pat" f [06:02] when more people update :) [06:02] then he can get a feel for what some of his user base likes, dislikes, wants, appreciates, etc etc :) [06:03] he has popped in here numerous times in the past for a chat [06:03] maybe I'll trigger an rsync... [06:03] yeah... I reported my intel graphics problems yesterday, just so he knows [06:03] not recently tho afaik [06:04] slava_dp: what is your problem? [06:04] usually right after the release actually :P [06:04] the latest mesa + video-intel brought me crashes with kde desktop effects. [06:04] ah [06:05] gem_cat (~gem3@207-119-11-229.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] dive: btw, everything was ok? [06:06] hi adrien [06:06] :-) [06:06] yes it all works [06:06] I downgraded to 13.0 [06:07] why? [06:07] someone on slackbuilds mailing list is having problems installing hydrogen [06:07] so I thought it would be best to do it on a stock slack [06:08] dive, have a virtual machine [06:08] worked for me though so dunno [06:08] slava_dp, yeah [06:08] yeah, better [06:08] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.153) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:08] I have to improve the available pxe environments, currently there can only be one at a time and you need to be root to change it [06:09] I trashed a module by forgetting to config_localversion so now I have 2 non working kernels - can I fix it by doing make modules install on my original kernel? [06:10] you have the kernel sources? [06:10] slackpkg reinstall kernel-modules-smp [06:10] ok [06:10] yup, better, I always forget about that ^^^ [06:11] or upgradepkg --reinstall ^ [06:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:12] thanks [06:13] any time :) [06:14] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:15] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:875:417f:ee95:144) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:15] gem_cat (gem3@207-119-11-229.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware ("Fades from view"). [06:15] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:9d39:4d84:39f4:d729) joined ##slackware. [06:22] radeon kms should be working in 2.6.33, right? [06:22] yes [06:22] which card btw? [06:22] 9100; apiece of junk [06:22] I think there was a bug for integrated 4200s that has been fixed since [06:23] /o\ [06:23] you're not using vesa for that? :P [06:23] and software rendering for 3D :P [06:23] hey, at least it works [06:24] although I have bugs with it on slack 13.0 [06:24] X does not load sometimes and the system freezes [06:24] you want to use it instead of your core i3's unit? [06:24] other times it loads fine [06:24] adrien: Just the 4200 and none of the previous designs the 4200 is just an evolution of? Odd... [06:24] adrien, totally different computers..... [06:24] #radeon is very nice and helpful in case you have a problem (with current) [06:24] slava_dp: ok [06:25] LSD`: it was working in 2.6.33-rc5/6 and they broke it after that and before 2.6.33 [06:25] vincen (~chatzilla@222.70.27.8) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.4/20100503122926] [06:25] so really a bug in the kernel [06:25] bbl, exam time [06:26] adrien: I just find it curious it affects one of them when they've had the same basic design through the 780G -> 790GX -> 785G -> 890GX (and offshots thereof like the 760G, etc) [06:27] why? they made something that broke it, it was most probably a trivial thing, no reason it affects other cards [06:27] just write a bad test and you're done [06:32] alphageek (rooot@69-196-151-188.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [06:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[07:19] Mcar, look at wicd in extra/ [07:19] alisonken1noc: Thank you :) [07:19] follow instructions about adding your user to the proper groups to work with it [07:20] kay [07:20] http://slackbook.org/html/network-configuration-wireless.html here? [07:20] I can't beleive I missed that [07:20] :| I feel dissapointed in myself [07:23] Also I will look at wicd, It comes with 13, right? [07:24] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Mcar, that's if you want to use /etc/inetd.conf for default wireless. wicd is more flexible in allowing what/where/how to connect [07:25] Mcar, as noted, wicd is in the extra/ packages directory [07:25] I see, thank you alisonken1noc :) [07:25] sorry - /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [07:25] not /etc/inetd.conf [07:25] I know where it is, I just found it [07:26] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:27] derf` (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep [07:28] The moment I begin building a library will it appear in /var/log/packages? [07:28] I didn't check whether I already had it prior to building so I'm wondering if it's already in /var/log/packages because I have it, or because I'm building it currently. [07:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [07:30] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pvduhicqvsbrucpu) joined ##slackware. [07:30] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.con..it brings up all the changeable data in a text file...right okay, I know how to mess with this.. [07:31] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [07:31] Also, alisonken1noc is there any way to err..well search the area for connectable networks like windows had? I remember ubuntu had a similar feature and such. Hmmf. [07:32] Mcar, wicd shows you a list of ap's in range - and a refresh option to update the list [07:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:33] right, right..so it's in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and it opens in an editable text document, correct? I'll install slackware so I can see to this in a more managable fasion, hold on! [07:33] you can compile ubuntus [07:33] i think its just Network Manager [07:35] GooseYArd (GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware. [07:45] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [07:47] zhoun (~guo@218.82.103.134) joined ##slackware. [07:47] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:47] Installed! (Using other computer (laptop) to type with) [07:47] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:48] CelestialWurm: /var/log/packages shows only installed packages, nothing else [07:48] pprkut: Well now I'm mega confused :D. But thanks. [07:49] evening all [07:49] eventing jrodger [07:49] CelestialWurm: what's the source of your confusion? Maybe we can clarify [07:50] eventing jrodger [07:50] oopw [07:50] oops* [07:50] pprkut: Let me get back to you, I think I may be okay now. [07:51] zoran119 (~zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:51] alisonken1noc: I have run into a problem, now I'm in rc.inet1.conf but I have no idea what my net is, gah, what a lamer, any pointers to find out a guide to it? [07:51] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:52] alisonken1noc: What I am basically asking is, is there a more friendly, gui based alternative to wincd? [07:52] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [07:54] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-lvyfqckpblspovix) joined ##slackware. [07:54] wicd has both a gui frontend and a cli frontend. [07:54] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:55] KDE has networkmanager - but it's universally regarded as "discard with prejudice" here :) [07:55] Uhm alisonken1noc, KDE is universeally regarded as "discard with prejudice" here, anywhere, hell even #ubuntu hates #kubuntu [07:56] Also wpa_gui seems nice, I'll go with that [07:57] Is canceling something while it's building a bad idea? [07:57] Depends what you are building [07:57] glibmm [07:57] Depends how far along it is.. [07:58] and how....well...I wouldn't do it. [07:58] Probably pretty far along. I'll just let it finish. [07:58] Thanks for the advice :P. [07:59] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [07:59] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. [07:59] bom dia [07:59] ;) [08:00] Why is the SlackBuild for gtkmm so far behind the current gtkmm version? [08:00] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [08:00] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:01] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Probably because it takes time and energy to maintain and test slackbuilds and each person only has so much of each of those to spare. [08:02] adamk_: Ah :D. I hadn't even thought of that. [08:02] I Can't install wine throught sbopkg, (cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32 bit development libraries).. Im on a slack13 x86_64 platform... Is there any 64bit application? [08:02] neuro_sys (~firat@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [08:02] There could very well be technicalk reasons, but I think the first explanation is more common. [08:02] datace: A 64-bit version of wine would only be able to run 64-bit windows applications. [08:03] datace: And, as far as I know, wine64 is still under heavy development and may not work properly at all at the moment. [08:03] datace, wine64 is available somewhere, but there are still too many 32-bit windows apps that would require it anyway [08:03] datace: just download binary wine from winehq [08:04] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:04] He'll still have to make his system multilib, which I'd guess is what he wants to avoid. [08:04] Can I install 32 wine on x86_64 platform? - mina86 [08:04] ah, ok [08:04] datace: you need multilib [08:05] mina86- what multilib [08:05] i think that is what i need [08:05] first [08:05] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [08:06] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:06] and follow instructions [08:08] k thnx [08:09] I have to do a trade-off. I have LUKS for my regular user's home, and SSH disallows root logins. So, I have to either allow root in ssh (in case of power failure/reboot) or add a new user with root permissions. Any other ideas? [08:11] alisonken1noc, my wireless is connected, thanks for your help ;) [08:12] Azeotrope: PAM [08:12] Also whats the terminal command for shut down? the command for reboot is "reboot" [08:12] poweroff [08:12] halt [08:12] or "shutdown -h now" [08:12] mina86 - is there a command to upgrade gcc and glib packages? [08:13] datace: ? follow instructions on the page [08:13] yep im reading [08:13] thanks guys [08:13] ctya [08:13] Mcar (~chatzilla@CPE-58-165-232-89.lns1.fli.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.0.19/2010031422] [08:13] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] mina86: how would pam help me? [08:14] pam_mount [08:15] filesystems will be mounted with password used to mount [08:16] If i use the same password for the user and LUKS maybe... I have ssh keys. [08:16] well... I have the same problem ;) [08:17] so far, i can only timeout LUKS so the system won't halt at the pass input point. [08:22] CelestialWurm: because gtkmm/glibmm/*mm need to match the glib/gtk/* version of Slackware [08:23] ie, newer gtkmm requires a newer gtk than available in 13.0 [08:23] pprkut: So I'm screwed then? I need GTKMM 2.16 or greater. [08:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-224-124.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:24] what permissions should I have on /var/www/htdocs? [08:24] mine got changed accidentaly [08:25] drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2010-03-10 03:49 /var/www/htdocs/ [08:25] CelestialWurm: wouldn't advise you to try it on 13.0. Should be fine on 13.1BETA ;) [08:25] thank you [08:25] pprkut: So don't get gtkmm 2.18? Basically. [08:25] While running Slack 13.0 [08:26] well, you can do it, but it involves upgrading Slackware core packages and stuff, so you should know what you do before trying it [08:27] Any idea of where I can go to know what I'm doing ;D? [08:32] Wait. [08:33] pprkut: SBO has glibmm 2.18, but only GTKMM 2.14. [08:33] I thought you said the two have to match the version of GTK? [08:35] zhoun (~guo@218.82.103.134) left irc: Quit: ‚» [08:35] CelestialWurm: no I said, gtkmm has to match gtk2, glibmm has to match glib2, etc [08:36] Oh, I misunderstood you, my bad. [08:36] no worries :) [08:36] I'm still stuck without GTKMM 2.18 though, unless I change those core packages, right? [08:36] There's no "easy" way around it? [08:37] if it was easy - it would be *buntu :) [08:37] Haha, good point alisonken1noc. [08:37] Where would I go to find what core packages need to be changed and how to change them? I'd really love to get GTKMM 2.18. 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[08:54] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:56] appreciated:) [08:57] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: goin' to BETA1 [08:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY [08:59] That guy's been around [09:00] not that knob head [09:07] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:08] eat! [09:10] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:11] drink! [09:11] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Action: slava_dp refuses to say "fsck!" :) [09:12] ;) [09:14] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:15] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:16] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:18] slava_dp: why would anyone want to fsck? :o I like to never have to do that, I mean, dirty umounts, and then dirty mounts :o [09:19] hey, I agree with adrien for once! [09:19] crap [09:19] I gotta take that back then! [09:20] hmmm, I'm getting really tired of an ntfs partition on my external drive but at the same time, I need the compatibility =/ [09:21] fat32! [09:21] raela, 2gb file size limit, right? [09:21] Arirang: something like that [09:21] yeah, but potantial problems are: long filenames with non-ascii chars and maybe big files but it should be ok [09:22] ext2fsd driver for windose [09:22] should be to store music [09:22] altho ntfs is ok for storage [09:22] but I'm also worried about making a >500GB fat partition (is it even possible?) [09:22] fat32 is up to 2 TB iirc [09:22] slava_dp: can ext2 drivers for windows read ext4 partitions read-only [09:23] yeah but you need a really big cluster size then iirc [09:23] nope, ext4 is not supported [09:23] like 64KB or more [09:23] bah [09:23] ext3 is a fine fs [09:23] I don't like ext3, ext4 so-so but ok [09:24] so make multiple partitions [09:24] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839574.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:24] wouldn't be too obnoxious [09:24] I like the thing that you can store all kinds of funny characters in ntfs file names that windose can't delete afterwards :-) [09:25] raela: that's definitely not a good solution :P [09:25] what's wrong with ntfs on this drive? [09:26] reaver7 (~reaver7@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:26] ntfs-3g is slow, takes far too much cpu [09:26] slava_dp: you can do that even on Windows [09:26] adrien: solution: don't use windows. bah [09:27] that's why I use ext3 on the storage volumes on the dual-boot pc. and a windows driver. [09:27] mina86, you can? that's nice :) [09:27] slava_dp: you can run a something that uses POSIX subsystem and then case does matter in file names for instance [09:27] raela: even so, I'd probably use xfs and that means I wouldn't be able to read it on most computers [09:28] eh? all linuxes can read xfs! [09:28] slava_dp: what about slackware 3.0! [09:28] slava_dp: actually I'm tempted to write my own driver ;-) [09:28] some people still use that [09:28] slava_dp: but others than linuxes mostly can't iirc [09:28] raela, surely not as a workstation. [09:28] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-245.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] slava_dp: someone was in here the other day trying to get it set up [09:29] I'm not sure you could decode flac files properly on slackware 3.0 ;-) [09:29] actually I think I have seen other people say they use the older versions for older boxen they still use [09:29] lol.... spring has come and the necrophiles took their shovels [09:30] haha [09:30] Well, dead chicks can't say no [09:31] Arirang: hell, live ones can't say no if you gag them... [09:31] haha [09:31] Niagar4 (~alpha@93-41-229-203.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:32] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh [09:32] ive somehow lost 3 hours of work :'( [09:32] Action: adrien hugs Zordrak [09:32] it will be faster the 2nd time around [09:32] Action: slava_dp pats Zordrak [09:33] nowait! I GOT IT!! [09:33] Action: slava_dp unpats Zordrak [09:33] sse? [09:33] Action: Zordrak pops back in the brick he just shat [09:33] see [09:33] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:33] it wouldnt be so bad, but its a visio network diagram.. [09:33] oh [09:34] you managed to spend three hours on that without a nervous breakdown? [09:34] working on one of these for three hours is undhuplicatable... its all about punching it till it does what you want [09:34] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-dapxfnoqjddhcbim) joined ##slackware. [09:36] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:37] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) joined ##slackware. [09:42] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [09:43] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:44] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:55] brainvision (~brainvisi@host136-53-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:56] maybe... http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Communication [09:57] and that new google design is horrible [09:57] hi boyz.. [09:57] I need a little help [09:57] please.. [09:57] refused -_- [09:58] or pay me 1000 EUR -_- [09:58] is there a way to open a terminal [09:58] LOL [09:58] :D [09:58] is there a way to open a terminal maximized? [09:58] but not using the -geometry command? [09:58] CathyInBlue: #Openoffice.org [09:58] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-224-124.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:59] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [09:59] brainvision : a terminal....? [10:00] uupss. sorry.. a terminal emulator, I mean.. like xterm or urxvt [10:00] Kyril: * [10:00] which "terminal" you using? on which window manager [10:00] I'm using urxvt and xterm on xfce [10:01] |tpocra| (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:02] xfce has it's own Terminal [10:02] which is > * [10:02] :) [10:02] Action: adrien throws an xterm at slava_dp [10:02] I know slava_dp but.. so?? [10:03] next q -- why are you doing it? [10:05] updating kde from aliens packages to current ones [10:05] alienBOB, thanks for the great work [10:05] i owe you a beer [10:05] Action: phrag is so excited by -current [10:05] Action: adrien is ready to testify [10:08] hey guys, so is it safe to unblacklist all the kde stuff and deps now then? 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[10:32] ta rolando uma palestra aqui total patamar da lixosidade [10:33] wrong language [10:33] How can one upgrade the system with slackpkg to reflect the latest updates in changelogs? [10:33] brainvision (~brainvisi@host11-20-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:34] slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all [10:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-68-200.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] jkwood: thanks [10:36] Sweet, PolicyKit is included [10:37] Axius (~fd@92.82.79.2) left irc: Client Quit [10:37] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:38] morning [10:41] |tpocra| (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Action: oscillator good afternoon [10:42] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:43] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] alienBOB: ping? [10:44] can I use bash to write a script that connects to a website, i.e. gmail.com and logs in with user/pass? [10:45] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [10:46] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [10:46] yes but I don't know if is the best option.... [10:46] oscillator: which would be? [10:47] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [10:47] I want to make a script that reads websites, usernames and passwors from a file, logs in with those, generates random pass, changes it and then changes it in my source file. [10:51] despiron (~despiron@187.45.84.58) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [10:52] Azeotrope, if it's legit, then python would be a better choice since it has networking and parsing available [10:53] Hmm... can someone with a full install grep libgpg-error /var/log/packages * for me? [10:53] -current or 13.0 [10:53] wow, just watched the video on wikileaks... pretty shocking and awefull [10:54] jkwood? [10:54] Either one is fine, I just want to know what package it's in. [10:54] there's a libgpg-error pkg [10:54] that's probably it then. [10:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-68-200.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:54] libgpg-error-1.7 according to slackware64-13.0 [10:54] yeah I have a libgpg-error-1.7 in 13.0 [10:55] Thanks. [10:56] alisonken1home: legit? those are my accounts. or you're talking about violating the TOS? [10:56] TOS [10:57] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:57] TBF, it did sound like a dodgy question =P [10:58] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[11:13] Axius (~fd@92.82.79.2) joined ##slackware. [11:14] US military slaughtering a load of reuters journalists, then afterwards, blowing up a van that came to help the injured, which blatently had two children in it.. i regret watching it, but it is powerfull stuff... makes me angry [11:14] not the forum for discussion, was just in shock [11:15] oh, i saw that the other week [11:17] i was a bit angry about it too, but i tried to look at it from their point of view. when you're being shot at every day its hard not to see guns everywhere i guess [11:19] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839574.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:22] brainvision (~brainvisi@host11-20-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:25] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [11:26] nachox: yeh, was more the reaction after that shocked me more [11:28] We're not used to seeing dead people, much less killing them. They are. It's still shocking though our mistakes usually cost little, theirs cost lifes [11:29] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-144-126.lns5.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:30] this is true, i can't put myself in those shoes, as i've never experienced anything like that.. and certainly would not want to be and give full respect to people that do [11:30] at the same time, it is an attrocity and probably just the tip of the iceberg [11:31] Axius (~fd@92.82.79.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:31] agreed [11:31] anyway, how you going bud? =) [11:31] phrag: On that topic, the biggest problem is that they were dishonest about it. [11:32] On the other hand, journalists in war have always risked their life delibereately. They're foolhardy imo. [11:32] eviljames: i agree [11:33] jkwood: we don't see eye to eye on this one. While it is indeed foolhardy to enter a warzone, I think that those journalists have the potential to do more good work in a few minutes with a camera than I do in the average year. [11:34] eviljames: Perhaps. That conceded, they generally don't. I'm no fan of the media in its current state. [11:34] phrag, dissconnected, i moved out and still have no internet at home except for some unreliable open aps [11:34] phrag: I can understand the soldiers on the ground making the 1st mistake. There was a convoy going by 2 blocks over and when the guy with the camera peeked around the corner and snapped a picture of them. They took that to be lining up for RPG fire - then overtly lied to commanders, but those aren't even the worst part... that the brass covered it up drives me batty. [11:34] jkwood: *shrug* watch a real news channel, like Al Jazeera [11:35] or CBC! [11:35] phrag, other than that, i'm very happy with the change [11:35] Just because CNN/Fox/NBC/MSNBC/CNBC/CBS/Global/CTV et al are all pointless for the news, there are places to get real info. [11:35] though there is a lot of work to be done [11:36] nachox: moved job too or just home? [11:36] just home [11:36] Wiren- (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:37] yeh it's a nightmare, i'm planning on getting myself somewhere soon.. sick of sharing [11:37] i am sharing with my gf [11:40] eviljames : Al Jazeera, BBC :) [11:40] BBC are far from open [11:40] I trust the BBC more than any U.S mainstream media... [11:40] still controlled by the security services [11:40] security services ? [11:40] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 269 seconds [11:40] woot [11:41] yeh, we have over 200 secret gag orders current in effect in the UK at present [11:41] oh [11:41] libel law or something ? [11:42] those are stories the media is banned from even mentioning that they can't report on it [11:42] stories that just dissappear [11:42] probably to protect 'important people' [11:42] probably ? [11:42] ;) [11:42] sorry, i took this conversation way off topic, it is quiet tho =P [11:42] probably =P [11:44] eviljames, did you see what i said ? [11:44] last night [11:44] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-39-173.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:44] go read up on lieberman/scott brown's new "law" about revoking terrorist linked citizen citizenships, then read who is exempt. [11:45] who is expempt? [11:46] whoever fights for the IDF [11:46] any american that fights for the IDF [11:46] which is funny they consider a terrorist organization, because everyone in the world calls it a terrorist organization, so lieberman knows what's up [11:47] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:50] phrag, taking it all in :? [11:50] one mans terrorist.. [11:51] i dislike that word, it's used far too often in the wrong context [11:51] it's reversal, those people they're calling terrorists aren't really the terrorists, the real ones are the ones we think are our friends [11:53] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:54] hint: they wear swits [11:54] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pvduhicqvsbrucpu) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:55] errm suits [11:55] Niagar4 (~alpha@93-41-229-203.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:55] or skirts? [11:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-109-68.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [11:57] I am using a slackware IBM T40 laptop as a file server, with an 2TB Lacie external hard drive hooked up via usb. A day ago I awoke in the middle of the night because the harddrive was making some loud bad sounds. There is usually a blue light on the front of the case, When I awoke I found a red light blinking too. I had formatted the drive to ext3. Now when i turn it on the red light comes on after a few seconds. I see no o [11:58] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-144-126.lns5.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:59] Niagar4 (~alpha@93-41-229-203.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:59] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:01] AEnima1577: sounds like the harddrive broke. [12:02] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:02] spook, i still have hope, [12:02] Seagate is a data-terrorist, xD [12:02] terror in the losses of data, xD [12:03] Not going to lie, had my entire collection of media on there, which i thought was a very stellar collection [12:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-109-68.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [12:03] Action: Delahunt hasn't had problems with seagate [12:03] your content is a constellation that you can lose if the harddisk has errata, xD [12:03] AEnima1577: open the case and plug the disk in directly, bypassing the usb bridge chip [12:03] Action: NaCl did [12:03] AEnima1577: well good luck to you, i have redundantcy in my storage [12:04] spook, after this I will have myself 3 redundancies from now on, [12:04] Action: adrien had troubles with every brand and had no troubles with every brand to [12:04] my external usb broke the otherday too, cheap bridge boards, nothing wrong with the disk.. ripped it out the case and plugged straight in, works a treat [12:04] i don't understand why Seagate does incorrect & dangerous seeks when it detected the first lifetime's defectuous sector. [12:04] Thats basically my plan Zordrak, I have a different external case that has a SATA and ATA connect as well as USB [12:05] thats what i like to hear phrag, hope. [12:05] you can buy the bridge boards for like10 quid [12:05] blanky (~blanke@212.183.140.3) joined ##slackware. [12:05] quid? ssswhat [12:05] phrag: or a backplate extender for internal sata [12:05] sorry, GBP Great British Pounds [12:06] theyre very useful [12:06] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] wertik_ (~wertik@95-25-84-75.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:08] i cant type £ withoutt the leading A [12:08] in irssi [12:08] Niagar4 (~alpha@93-41-229-203.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:08] seagate sucks since their bigger drive size issues [12:08] er, phrag, I don't see one. is it an Ahat? [12:08] yeh [12:08] £ [12:08] that's a font/unicode issue [12:08] you guys just see one character ? [12:08] yup [12:08] £ [12:08] yup [12:08] yes. the A hat is added under certain conditions [12:09] yeh, that's what i see Zordrak [12:09] I think I see it when I don't have LANG set with ut8 [12:09] *utf8.. I'd check at that setting [12:09] what do you see in locale? [12:09] yeh, i've seen some funkyness with man pages sometimes too [12:10] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-224-124.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] though I did find it interesting, even with the proper unicode options... sensors would show just the degrees, but when I used sed to remove it, the Ahat appeared.. sed again removed that [12:11] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] phrag: well, to fix it, I either switched to liberation mono, made sure locale indicated I was using a utf8 font, set a screen setting.. umm.. I think I just did one of those. I'm pretty sure it was doing export LANG='en_US-utf8', though [12:12] Nick change: wertik_ -> wertik_rus [12:13] LANG="en_US" but i changed to en_GB [12:13] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] then change to en_GB-utf8 [12:13] errr en_GB.UTF8, sorry [12:13] exporting LANG should change LC_* in `locale` as well [12:14] all set to en_GB.UTF8 now [12:14] oh, which terminal emulator are you using as well? do you actually have unicode support? [12:14] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-200-40.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:15] nyao~~ [12:15] £ still see the ahat? (and is it changed on your current term..) [12:15] i am curently using konsole, within screen on a remote box =P [12:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-84-75.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: No route to host [12:16] yeah, should be it. is it set in the screen session? might need to /exec export LANG= [12:17] not sure, it's nearly the end of the day so i don't mind just now =) [12:18] aww, but I'm curious if that's really the issue [12:18] where you put that raela ? [12:18] in irssi [12:18] hmm, the exec dint work [12:18] blanky: I have the export LANG='' in ~/.zshrc and ~/.bashrc [12:18] yeah, tried here and nothing [12:18] althouh i've not changed ont he remote machine [12:19] so that will prob be why =) [12:19] ok thanks [12:19] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:19] raela: yeh i still see it in your post [12:20] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:20] oh, I also have double quotes.. argh. exact line is: export LANG="en_US.UTF8" [12:20] yeah, I'm ssh'd in as well.. oh maybe.. hrm, will test something [12:22] if i change US to GB should it change my keyboard layout in X [12:22] phrag: well I can't figure out how to make irssi/screen pick it up.. probably an option in screen. anyway, that should fix it whnever you get around to it [12:22] wertik__ (~wertik@95-27-201-229.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:22] blanky: er do you live in UK and want to use the GB set? [12:23] yeah [12:23] i changed to GB but still US layout [12:23] blanky: one sec.. i have a link for that [12:23] would prob need to relog [12:24] most likely. just a quick quit, set, and load up irssi again [12:24] relog ? ....i just opened console after editing .bashrc ? [12:24] especially easy if you have irssi to reconfig it all [12:24] oh [12:24] blanky: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/30/slackware-13-0-xorg-hal/ [12:24] thanks Zordrak [12:24] er.. to reconnect and all. I have mine connect to servers/chans/ident me on open [12:24] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-148-166.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:24] thanks Zordrak [12:24] np [12:25] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:25] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-200-40.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:27] i was just thinking about raid10 vs raid5... you actually get less space with raid 10 [12:27] brainvision (~brainvisi@host11-20-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:27] given the same number of drives [12:27] wertik_ (~wertik@93-80-110-34.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:28] wertik__ (~wertik@95-27-201-229.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:28] Necos: if you want to play with the (in)equities of different RAIDs: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/high-availability-storage-with-slackware-drbd-pacemaker/ [12:29] blanky (~blanke@212.183.140.3) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:29] well, hardware-based raid :P [12:29] In any case, if the data set is quite large, RAID5 is professional negligence [12:30] i gotta hear this explanation [12:30] do tell [12:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:30] blanky (~blanke@212.183.140.20) joined ##slackware. [12:30] rebuild time fro l/arge data set vs likelihood of a second failure before the rebuild is complete [12:31] for small fast disks its not a problem.. for 1G sata disks for example its a huge problem [12:31] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-148-166.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:31] We lost a whole server even though it was U160 SCSI 72G disks [12:31] purely cos a second died before the rebuild completed [12:32] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [12:32] RAID6 and RAID10 are both better, each having their own benefits and drawbacks.. personally Ive gone for RAID61 [12:32] and the redundancy i have now is awesome [12:32] i just recovered our 160x6 4+1+1 server and it was pretty damn painful [12:32] it was a raid5 build [12:33] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-tdkxlapgurtjkqpp) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:33] i can lose *any* 5 disks simultaneousy and have no problems [12:33] it was suggested i switch to raid 10 for better integrity [12:33] if its the right set of disks i can lose 8 or 9 [12:33] Necos: do it yesterday [12:34] raid is no substitute for backups [12:34] Necos: honestly.. read through at least the RAID section of that link [12:34] Necos: it can be quite enlightening [12:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:35] Necos: the last paragraph of "The Disks" compares RAID10 with RAID61 and why i went for the latte [12:35] *latter [12:36] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:36] not to mention my raid61 is between 3 and 10 times faster than our old hardware raid that used U320 146G Sun disks depending on the test [12:36] *5 [12:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:37] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ksgqjtywyxybeqxc) joined ##slackware. [12:38] velcroshooz (~deanventu@173-31-161-55.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] i only have 6 disks to work with btw [12:40] and my card doesnt support raid6 >.<; [12:40] Necos: you can do raid6 with >=4 [12:40] aw man [12:40] that sucks [12:40] raid10 is your man then [12:40] just get off 5 [12:41] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Necos: RAIDZ2 in FreeBSD or OpenSolaris! [12:41] Action: eviljames ducks & runs [12:41] Action: Zordrak does a Clint Eastwood 3 mile headshot [12:41] brainvision (~brainvisi@host77-78-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Action: eviljames got splattered :( [12:42] that'll teach ya y'lil varmint [12:43] adrien: What does teton mean in English? [12:43] hahaha [12:43] eviljames : you don't want to know... [12:43] wertik__ (~wertik@95-27-149-64.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:43] using an escalade 7508 card for the replacement of this promise sx6000 [12:43] Oh, actually, you do [12:43] >.< [12:43] Necos: 3ware. ALWAYS 3ware. [12:44] BREAST [12:44] Its the 3ware 9650SEs that are doing 256K RAID6 here [12:44] Kyril: I _knew_ it! [12:44] Zordrak, this promise card, despite it's problems, has been in service for 10 yrs [12:44] eviljames: -e s/e/i/ -e s/on// [12:44] eviljames: Ever been there? [12:45] Kyril: I was looking through pictures of a road trip the other day, and I couldn't remember why I took all those pictures of Teton County in Montana. The Teton Serenity Old Folks Home, the Teton Catholic church... [12:45] errr, I meant, it's the pointing device sometimes found in the middle of laptop keyboards [12:45] Action: jkwood figured eviljames was talking about the mountains [12:45] Teton County? \o/ [12:45] thats called a clitoris [12:45] eviljames : Oh... :P [12:45] adrien: oui. Teton County! [12:45] Teton Catholic Church? ^^ [12:46] La Province de Teton [12:46] jkwood : I know youuuu? [12:46] jkwood: Been to Teton County? Yes sir! [12:46] :P [12:46] hehehe [12:46] Kyril: This is possible. [12:46] jkwood : RH ? [12:46] Zordrak: wikipedia sas [12:46] bah [12:47] wertik_ (~wertik@93-80-110-34.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:47] says nipple, clit mouse or nipple mouse ;-) [12:47] Zordrak, thanks for the link, btw [12:47] Necos: np. Pass it on. [12:47] mice for perverts? [12:47] Red Hat? Not I. [12:47] Im out. ttfn. [12:47] jkwood : Oh. [12:47] :) [12:49] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:49] I think I know who you're talkin about, though. [12:49] Been mistaken for him/her before. [12:49] jkwood : I wonder why ? :P [12:50] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:50] wertik__ (~wertik@95-27-149-64.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:51] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:51] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:52] velcroshooz (deanventu@173-31-161-55.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:52] on a 640GB raid5 with 5 drives and hot spare, it takes me ~1 day to rebuild the array [12:52] i swear i read that as a minute lol [12:53] a minute ? [12:53] still too slow... [12:54] jeev, stop thinkin how long it takes you to... [12:56] it's awful how much power a hard drive takes at boot: at least 15W, so if you have 6 disks, more than 90W only for disks (5W after) [12:57] hey Zordrak, random question... how come jbod is never used? [12:57] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:57] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:57] gay Necos [12:58] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:58] jeev likes to call the kettle black :P [12:59] He then touches the kettle inappropriately. [12:59] dios_mio (dios@88.243.196.10) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Action: Necos is going to clean his screen session with bleach to get that awful image out [13:00] in my dream slackware had a new version out!! [13:00] that poor kettle.. [13:01] dios_mio: Close, there's a new beta [13:01] raela, i installed the new ubuntu, it rocks [13:01] dios_mio, i've had that dream as well [13:01] hey eviljames [13:01] heh [13:01] dios_mio: good for you! [13:01] :) [13:02] dios_mio: _heathen_ [13:02] :D [13:02] hoobop: hello. Slackware 13.1BETA1 is on the mirrors - start testing! [13:02] yeah, is the ubuntu thing about boredom? [13:02] sorry: dios_mio, is that about boredom? [13:03] eviljames, that's good news [13:03] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [13:03] which version of KDE is included (or slated for inclusion)? [13:03] hoobop, ubuntu is fine imo [13:03] hoobop: dios_mio is an ubuntu fanboy :P [13:04] dios_mio, yeah, i have no problem with ubuntu per se, i just wouldn't dump slackware for it [13:04] it is handy as a live CD though [13:04] and that's useful [13:04] actually i install linux for fun at times, but in reality i am mostly on windows [13:04] lol Zordrak, i like the quip about alien invasion in the article [13:05] hoobop: 4.4.3 [13:05] Slax or SystemRescueCD are far more handy. [13:05] NICE! [13:05] i just like the part when everything installs and it connects to the net.. back in the days that was not easy, now it is so easy [13:05] hoobop: No PAM still, but it does include ConsoleKit,Polkit [13:05] jkwood, the workhorse live cd has to be systemrescuecd [13:05] i love that toolkit [13:06] eviljames, i wonder what the deal is with PAM and slackware... [13:06] maybe it'll be added at some point [13:06] hoobop: It is considered more of a pain to have than not to have. afaik Slackware is the only holdout, I think just about everybody else uses PAM. [13:07] hoobop: I believe it's the horrendous and involved dependency chain. [13:07] hoobop, slackware is much easier than ubuntu or debian... i find debian/ubuntu more complicated [13:08] dios_mio, i'm still all about conf files and going at things that way [13:08] yes hoobop [13:08] i'm always frustrated by "wizards" that leave me having to do work anyway [13:09] while trying to get around the automation/wizardry/whatever [13:09] pam doesn't have any deps, things just need to be built against it [13:09] enabling/disabling services is easier on slack too [13:09] thrice`: So it's a reverse dependency thing. [13:10] or a from-the-ground up overhaul to accomodate PAM [13:10] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-144-126.lns5.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[13:28] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:29] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:30] Nick change: Dominian -> Chuck-Norris [13:30] Nick change: Chuck-Norris -> Dominian [13:33] alphageek (rooot@69-196-151-188.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:36] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) joined ##slackware. [13:37] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.9) joined ##slackware. [13:39] hi folks, i've forgot the command for checking the time needed for kernel compiling, help :) [13:39] 'time' [13:39] lol [13:39] huh? [13:39] aka: time make -j9 [13:40] -j9?! [13:40] j9? [13:40] i don't know what confused me more: pupiteee or Dominian [13:40] lol... [13:40] octocore much ? [13:40] SmartOne_ (~chatzilla@112.135.21.114) joined ##slackware. [13:40] mancha: how is what I said confusing? [13:40] mancha : type : time make [13:40] >.> [13:40] 'time' does do it ;) [13:40] I use 2 x number of cores myself [13:40] octo core? [13:40] mina, you should stick to cores+1 [13:40] -j3 on a dual core [13:41] 2 x #cores + 1 [13:41] I have a quad-core processor [13:41] -j9 works fine [13:41] mancha: no, I've checked [13:41] Dominian: suppose, thanks [13:41] pupiteee: no worries [13:41] mina86 : what mancha said [13:41] mancha: -j6 works faster for me then -j4 [13:41] Kyril: no [13:41] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-177-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:42] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.128.103.mtnl.net.in) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:42] there's no general fit all rule but generally I observed that 2n works better then n+1 [13:42] use core+1. i have spoken. [13:42] even thou its like 5% or so [13:43] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:43] mancha speaks... run for the hills folks >.> [13:43] mancha, -j9 is maybe for those intel procs with hyperthreading [13:44] adrien_ (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] nessundo1ma (~mike@78-134-79-80.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@97.198.38.255) joined ##slackware. [13:44] it's for not migrating processes between cores [13:45] at least that's the theory [13:45] 2x #cores +1 will almost invariably be faster thanks to the way most build processes are designed. [13:45] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:45] It has nothing to do with hyperthreading. [13:46] uhm, not really [13:46] depending on the processor it might actually be slower than make -j2 or make -j1 even [13:47] Dominian: time does not writes it, kinda hangs reading some "CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h" [13:48] Well, yes, processor architecture will make the biggest difference. [13:48] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:48] time will calculate the entire time it takes to run the make command [13:48] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-144-126.lns5.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:48] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:48] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-245.wlms-broadband.com) got netsplit. [13:48] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-79-80.dynamic.eolo.it) got netsplit. [13:48] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.21.114) got netsplit. [13:48] adrien (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) got netsplit. [13:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-103-150.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:49] Dominian: just executing command "time" writes me zeros [13:49] alphageek (rooot@75-119-249-18.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] for real, user and sys [13:49] foh real [13:50] pupiteee: because it takes zero seconds to execute nothing [13:51] ooh [13:51] time sleep 1 [13:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:52] mina86: thanks for clearing this up for me :) [13:52] freenode is horribly annoying, I can't nick because "adrien_" is not registered and the nick change could be used to spam some channels which have +R so I have to identify as "adrien" while using the "adrien_" nick so I can "/nick adrien" [13:52] >< [13:53] Nick change: adrien_ -> adrien [13:53] Possible future nick collision: adrien [13:53] oh, you can id as a nick from another nick? I just always did a part, nick, join [13:53] /msg nickserv identify [13:53] yeah, you didn't know... [13:53] I guess noone knows [13:54] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.21.114) got lost in the net-split. [13:54] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-79-80.dynamic.eolo.it) got lost in the net-split. [13:54] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-245.wlms-broadband.com) got lost in the net-split. [13:54] it's not a feature I've heard of on other networks. good to note, though [13:54] backwwards [13:54] /msg nickserv identify [13:54] so I /j #ircd-seven to tell them that if the nick you're changing to is registered then maybe they should allow it (not sure how but I don't care) but they don't want to [13:54] no, "adrien" is spam [13:54] Dominian: right [13:54] you can cange to a registered nick [13:54] it just warns you that it is already registered [13:55] I wasn't able to /nick adrien because some channels I'm on are +R [13:55] now if they have nickserv enforcement turned on.. you'll have 30secs to identify before it forces you to change nick [13:55] adrien: That's because you weren't identified to nickserv [13:55] I get annoyed by the "this nick is owned by blah" message.. it's like no, it's unregistered and blah is me anyway.. bah :P [13:55] and its there to combat spammers [13:55] before? I was [13:55] Dominian: I know but it's really really annoying [13:56] Yes it is, but [13:56] there's an easy way to stop that from happening [13:56] adrien: use an automat which identifies yourself on connect? [13:56] what irc client you use? [13:56] it's maybe a bit like grsec: ok, it works but it's also deeply annoying for regular users (makes ifconfig segfault, /proc unreadable, ....) [13:56] wertik_ (~wertik@95-25-149-240.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:56] irssi [13:56] how dumb does that sound? "freenode | adrien #nouveau Cannot change nickname while banned on channel" [13:56] adrien: for server password use: youruser:yourpass [13:56] adrien: that will identify you to services no matter what nick you are using [13:56] irssi has a connect command or semo such [13:56] mom phone [13:56] irssi has a server pass thing? oh.. heh. I have autosendcmds [13:56] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-245.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:57] uh, that's even better [13:57] Dominian: hmmmm [13:57] adrien: /help server [13:58] specifically: /server add -ssl irc.freenode.net 7070 yournick:yourpass [13:58] something along thos elines [13:58] there's other requirds there.. just read the /help and you'll get it [13:59] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-103-150.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:01] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:01] freenode support SSL ? :O [14:02] Dominian: and how does that appear in irssi's config file? [14:02] yes and no, afaik it's wonky [14:02] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] just edit the .irssi/config file directly. its easier [14:02] come on... it's not like the channel is not public [14:03] Yeah, and it's not like the NSA isn't monitoring every word you write no matter how encrypted anyway [14:03] Kyril as of the recent migration in ircd's it supports SSL [14:03] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Dominian: you have the ssl_verify part enabled? [14:03] eviljames: ;-) [14:03] wertik_ (~wertik@95-25-149-240.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:03] fuck the NSA -_- [14:04] right, since this channel is public, ssl isn't to keep the channel convo secret but it prevents snooping on the client<-->server link and also keeps /msg private if your peer is also SSL'd [14:04] true, but is it really worth it? [14:04] worth it? that's a judgment call and quite personal. [14:05] the overhead is minimal, i'd say [14:05] depends on which side [14:05] it would adds up on server if everyone used SSL [14:05] Action: jkwood blinks [14:06] mina86: you mean it could result in even more netsplits? :o [14:06] is that even possible? [14:07] On Freenode? No. [14:07] damn, it seems eggdrop does not accept passwords with : ... [14:07] nope, 'infinity > infinity' evaluates to 'false' in ocaml's toplevel so there's nothing to lose with enabling ssl /o\ [14:08] jkwood: let me just say... I've been on IRCNet few years back [14:10] aigoo (~jfo@92.84.0.210) joined ##slackware. [14:11] How can I mount a dvd iso image to install some packges which I for my system? [14:12] loopback mount [14:12] jkwood: let me also say that your nick name manifests dirty thoughts in my head every time i see it [14:12] adrien: mount -o loop file.iso /media/cdrom [14:13] aigoo: not adrien [14:13] Action: adrien hugs mina86 [14:13] ok [14:14] adrien: you know "a" in my nick is like the last "a" in "Maradona"? [14:14] ;) [14:14] and that means...? >.> [14:14] uh.. nvm [14:15] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:15] shalkie (~shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] adrien: :P [14:15] bah ^^ [14:15] worst tab-fail ever >< [14:15] and typo too [14:15] Action: adrien hides [14:16] it's ok adrien. have a cookie... [14:16] poor adrien, fails so often.. :( [14:16] He's French [14:16] give him a chance... [14:16] freedom fail [14:17] oh, -I- like adrien. and don't mind his fails too much.. adds amusement.. :P [14:17] Action: raela ducks [14:17] food win [14:17] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: senate/irc:0.1b -- by cyberpunk.. [14:17] adrien hates me, though [14:17] xsamurai: It's the JK part, isn't? [14:17] raela: I like your fails too ;-) [14:17] hmm.. seahorse depends on gnomelibs? [14:18] adrien: hey, you've been missing them recently.. lucky for me :P [14:18] raela: don't worry, I know that each and every day you fail in a new way =) [14:18] the french do interesting things, for example salix *cough* theft *cough* [14:18] http://www.cnbc.com/id/36960201/Gamer_Wins_1_Million_Perfect_Game_Prize_In_Less_Than_90_Minutes [14:19] i should have been playing a video game instead of talking to Necos yesterday Bah! [14:19] Necos: you owe me a million now [14:19] die google, die [14:19] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) left irc: Quit: changing servers [14:19] echelon seahorse is a gnome-centric frontend, i'd expect gnome deps [14:19] lol [14:19] mancha: salix? [14:19] i saw that article yesterday [14:20] hrm.. too bad [14:20] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) joined ##slackware. [14:20] it lets you insert images into your public key [14:20] you don't need that for that [14:21] latemus (~m@c-24-10-210-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:21] oh? [14:21] aigoo (~jfo@92.84.0.210) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:22] yeah, you can do it cli, lemme show you :) [14:22] adrien: sometimes people give me this look and I know they're thinking "I have never imagined someone could fail that hard.." [14:23] gpg --edit-key [ID] addphoto [14:23] raela: hahaha :P [14:23] raela: hey, look, a matrix! (1 2) [14:23] adrien: there have been several times my tae kwon do instructor has said "never in my 35 years of teaching have I seen someone do.." [14:24] ah [14:24] My tic tac toe instructor used to say I'd never amount to anything. [14:24] mancha, so how would i view it? [14:24] echelon, you need the image in jpg format though, so make sure you have a jeg [14:24] [Updated at 2:15 p.m.] A bomb squad robot has completed its X-ray of the suspicious cooler left in Times Square, CNN's Susan Candiotti reported. But, the results were inconclusive. [14:24] T_T [14:24] adrien: bah! they have -almost- started making sense to me now, wtf. maybe not so much in summation notation (well, kind of).. but I was proud of myself for understanding the last 2 stats lectures/spotting a mistake in the matrix stuff :P [14:24] jfo_ (~jfo@92.84.0.210) joined ##slackware. [14:25] with a gui frontend [14:25] raela: good, next week we're doing opengl =) [14:25] yeah.. seahorse :-/ [14:26] gpa doesn't have it i think [14:26] mina86: According to a reliable source, the use of SSL has negligible effect on irc server load. [14:26] How do I install packages if I dont have slackpkg installed. I have only a dvd mounted. [14:26] jkwood: my cobol professor told me I was going to be a loser in life and end up in a cardboard box , apparently he didn't like me too much to give a 10 minute lecture during class on my failures [14:26] but like mancha said , if the channel is public , whats the point ? [14:26] adrien: we as in you and someone else, right? [14:26] unless i missed some other apparent reason [14:27] i'm going to put a giant phallus in the id [14:27] echelon, try kgpg [14:27] the channel is not only public, its logged and the logs are public too [14:27] i don't have kdelibs [14:27] jfo_: installpkg(8), upgradepkg(8) and chapter 18 of the slackbook [14:28] In which series I find slackpkg? [14:28] echelon, well you're asking pretty kmuch how do i do XYZ w.o any tools todo XYZ [14:28] so sorry [14:28] :-/ [14:28] xsamurai: I finally told my COBOL professor to just nod, smile, and continue lecturing whenever a certain student asked a question, as it was almost always completely unrelated. [14:28] ssl is only good when everyone on the channel is using ssl and no one is logging [14:28] i guess i'll just ask gpa guys to support it [14:28] Skywise: Untrue. [14:29] raela: me and ... *you* :P [14:29] sure its true [14:29] raela: rotation matrices! \o/ [14:29] if someone isn't using ssl, then their packets are in the open even if everyone else's isn't [14:29] and if someone is logging then that just means its not a real time leak [14:29] adrien: HELL NO. you can go do opengl yourself [14:29] Paul_S (~Paul_S@082139050094.radom.vectranet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:29] raela: ='( [14:30] Nick change: nessundo1ma -> nessundorma [14:30] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839574.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:31] ssl is good for the authentication part [14:31] Does anyone knows in which series can I find Slackpkg? [14:31] echelon, try gpg --photo-viewer $favorite_image_viewer --show-photos or summit [14:31] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@97.198.38.255) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:31] ah :) [14:31] jfo_: /ap, I believe. [14:31] or pm msgs to ops regarding naked pictures in weird positions [14:31] thanks [14:32] jfo_: ap [14:32] Skywise: One use of SSL is to encrypt conversations in channels. It's not the only use or even the most interesting one. [14:32] oh? [14:32] such as? [14:32] s/encrypt/hide [14:32] alienBOB: are you there? im trying to build kdebase-workspace 4.4.3 and it doesnt seem to pick up polkit-qt. is it supposed to? [14:32] ok, thank you. [14:32] Keeping people from sniffing your password is a popular one. [14:32] i was able to get mutt/msmtp/getmail rigged with torify [14:33] that falls under secure comms between the client and server [14:34] but thats not really more interesting [14:34] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. 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[14:36] he signs his keys so he doesn't have to auth [14:37] passwordless auth, rather [14:37] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:39] jfo_ (~jfo@92.84.0.210) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:39] it says required to build policykit-kde [14:41] but configure cant find it [14:42] sahk0: it's seems we have a little difference between polkit-qt and polkit-qt-1 [14:42] it isn't? [14:42] dont think so [14:42] one of you change your nick immediately. [14:42] Your conversation is too hard to follow :( [14:43] install nickcolor.pl [14:43] That's a downstream patch, I do not approve [14:43] sahk0: http://api.kde.org/kdesupport-api/kdesupport-apidocs/polkit-qt/html/index.html [14:43] eviljames: hahaha :P [14:43] sahk0: http://api.kde.org/kdesupport-api/kdesupport-apidocs/polkit-qt-1/html/ [14:44] shyko: did you bump into the same issue too? [14:44] yep [14:46] damn it. /me migrates to the office desk [14:46] why's sahk0 talking to hisself? [14:49] its getting hard to keep track just in his head [14:49] what with all the other voices, etc all... [14:49] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:49] now theres 3 of us [14:50] now we can talk to each of the personalities directly [14:50] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:50] we're doomed! [14:50] sahk0 finally lost it.... [14:51] padded walls and daily meds it is! [14:51] he had it? [14:53] good point! [14:54] hmm alienBOBs build doesnt have the timeput patch. but i doubt that causes the issue [14:54] no it cant [14:57] shyko: no thats not the problem. theres no plain polkit-qt anymore afaict [14:57] did i mention i hate google's new look? wtf [14:58] adrien:no I don't do ssl verification [14:58] Dominian: I don't either, doesn't work here [15:00] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-90-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:04] sakurat (~sakurat@tmo-108-56.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [15:12] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:15] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-254.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] rberto (~rberto@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] hey guys. I just installed slackware 12, under /boot, there are 4 kernel images... and the 'System.map', 'config' and 'vmlinuz' symbolic links point to HUGE kernerl. My question is, can I switch to loading the SMP kernel by simple changing the symbolic links (3 links) to point to the files pertaining to the kernel I want to load or do I need to do the initrd thing? [15:18] by simply* [15:19] blanky (~blanke@212.183.140.20) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:19] Asmadeus_ (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [15:19] rberto: Depends largely on your setup & config. You will need to re-run lilo [15:19] rberto: Yes, depending on whether /boot is on /. You may need an initrd (and lilo will need to know about it). There are READMEs that address this. [15:20] lilo points to vmlinuz.. which is a symbolic link to HUGE [15:20] rberto: As soon as you modularize the kernel, you run into a chicken an egg problem with accessing the root file system, which is needed to both a Linux system. [15:20] sinhu: Im afraid I didnt understand [15:21] rberto: Why would you install 12 instead of 13? [15:21] rberto: The huge kernel is huge because everything is compiled into one vmlinuz file. [15:21] Asmadeus_ (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Client Quit [15:22] sinhu: true.. so to load to generic SMP, I need to do more than just change the symbolic link targets? [15:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:22] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:22] rberto: The generic kernels have modules in /lib/modules/ which is a part of the root filesystem. An initrd provides the kernel, grabbed from lilo, to access the *real* root file system. [15:22] s/provides/allows/ [15:23] There's an initrd README that explains this. [15:23] sinhu: excellent, I fully understand now. Thank you so much for explaining that [15:23] No problem. [15:24] Paul_S (Paul_S@082139050094.radom.vectranet.pl) left ##slackware. [15:24] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:25] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [15:27] sinuhe: there is a command that generates the 'mkinitrd' that I need to issue to generate an initrd? [15:28] sinuhe: no? [15:28] rberto: There's a mkinitrd example in the README for ext3 filesystem. [15:28] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:28] sinuhe: yes, thanks [15:29] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [15:29] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:29] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [15:30] rberto: By the by, 12.0, 12.1? Also. I didn't see an answer as to why not 13? [15:30] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [15:30] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [15:30] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [15:30] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:30] sinuhe: I have my reasons I guess [15:31] sinuhe: 12.0 [15:31] rberto: The initrd README is linked from /boot on your installed system. [15:32] sinuhe: yes [15:33] sinuhe: Im reading it right now... I use xfs... that should be pretty much the same as ext3? [15:35] sinuhe: so its gonna be: #mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.21.5-smp -m xfs [15:35] sinuhe: correct? [15:36] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] no need for the '-f' and '-r' switches? [15:38] does anyone know what lightweight web servers are available in the slackware repository? [15:41] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:43] Coolmax (~mateusz@ip-94-42-55-83.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:45] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ksgqjtywyxybeqxc) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:48] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839574.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:50] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-eaqebnuvjxgyqvju) joined ##slackware. [15:51] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [15:53] lighttpd [15:53] mancha: what about nginx? [15:54] sure [15:54] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:54] duet: there u go [15:55] rberto (rberto@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [15:56] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-254.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:02] |tpocra| (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:03] |tpocra| (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-14-153.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] sakurat (~sakurat@tmo-108-56.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:10] rberto: Yes, basically. I haven't played with a filesystem big enough to use XFS recently, so don't remember what module dependencies there might be. [16:10] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:12] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.19.59) joined ##slackware. [16:14] SmartOne_ (~chatzilla@112.135.21.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:19] gem_cat (~gem3@207-119-11-229.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-eaqebnuvjxgyqvju) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:21] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] now I have 3 non-booting kernels that fail in different ways :( [16:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:23] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-klflujxisgajdbxz) joined ##slackware. [16:24] rberto: thank you [16:24] the original kernel fails with a message EXT4-fs (hda1) ....cannot be mounted without config_LBDAF [16:24] mancha: thank you too [16:24] gem_cat: Custom build? [16:25] yes [16:25] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:25] I am following alianbobs instructions from his wiki [16:26] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [16:26] duet welcome [16:27] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-dapxfnoqjddhcbim) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:28] the modified kernel (1 change and localversion) fails with 'unable to mount root fs on unknown block(3,1)' [16:28] the new kernel crashes when a font is chosen [16:28] gem_cat: I believe this was a change in 2.6.31. [16:29] Shuren (~Devilman@host137-235-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [16:29] gem_cat: You have to enable large block support when using LVM, etc. [16:29] yes 'kernel compression mode' [16:29] gem_cat: You should find the option in your config file. Just enable it. [16:30] I shall try sinuhe thanks [16:30] gem_cat: You could also disable the feature in your filesystem with tune2fs... [16:31] also - the make modules install is not behaving as advertised and may be smashing a module [16:32] grazymax (~grazymax@host102-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:32] This should have been caught with oldconfig. [16:32] I will need to understand tune3fs before I can use it [16:33] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Quit: ok, gone [16:33] I used oldconfig with the first compile [16:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: mazzardo viadinho! =D [16:34] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-klflujxisgajdbxz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:35] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-rlxabasbfqwwgrnj) joined ##slackware. [16:35] hm, anyone got a solution for copy/paste between host and qemu guest? (the host is running X, the guest isn't) [16:35] several tries make for lots of debris :/ [16:36] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:36] tcp-clipboard? [16:37] mancha: will have a look, thanks [16:37] hm. google finds nothing useful [16:37] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [16:38] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [16:38] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [16:38] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:39] Urchlay: not that I know of, unless you use something other than VNC to access the guest. [16:40] hrr? am displaying the guest with qemu's regular stuff (which IIRC uses SDL) [16:40] guest and host both running slackware [16:40] Shuren (~Devilman@host137-235-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:41] probly what I should do is learn to use tun/tap networking so's I can ssh from the host to the guest (usermode net stack only works the other direction apparently) [16:43] urch, why not redir? [16:43] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [16:44] start it with -redir tcp:1234::22 and run sshd on the guest. then you can ssh -p 1234 on the host [16:44] mancha: eh, mostly cause I don't know it exists yet [16:44] never messed with qemu network stuff until like 5 minutes ago :) [16:44] that's the easiest solution to ssh in i'd say. [16:45] ah, that'd do nicely, thanks [16:45] the tcp clipboard is nice to have regardless of using an ssh solution though. [16:45] wonder if the qemu consol's got a way to turn on the redir stuff without exiting qemu [16:45] tcp clipboard... got a url? [16:45] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] sinuhe, the LBDAF was there but the EXT4 was a module so am compiling that in [16:46] Action: oscillator hi good night slackers [16:46] Urch, i was digging though my stuff to get you a url but it's slow going. if i find it i'll beep you [16:46] groovy, and thanks [16:46] gem_cat: If the problem is modules, then you may just need a ram disk. [16:47] gem_cat: As long as the kernel size is fine, then compiling ext4 in won't hurt. [16:47] I can boot fine from cd - and was booting fine for months with this kernel [16:48] hmm - I added 1 module and its too big - if this doesnt work I will trim some hardware excess [16:49] |tpocra| (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:49] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:49] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.82.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:49] hrmm, i just noticed that my slackbuild template for a certain type of package was missing gzipping commands for manpages [16:50] Could be worse. It might not be failsafe for when there are no man pages. [16:50] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] so i have some stray uncompressed manpages on my boxed and tbh i am too fucking lazy to remake the packages [16:50] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] onward thru the fog mancha :) [16:51] ej, what's failsafe do? [16:53] Hey Mancha [16:53] hey [16:53] by definition a failsafe is supposed to keep you from doing something stupid - that never stopped me ;> [16:54] lol @ gem_cat [16:54] failsafe is usually the omgz everything is breaking make it stop make it stop! button. [16:54] oh i misread, i thought it was an application. d'oh been a long morning [16:54] yeah, a build script that borks when it tries to compress missing manpages would be worse [16:55] I found a missing failsafe in slackware's installer today [16:55] Urch, did you redir work as expected? [16:56] when you go to select the target partition to use for the root filesystem, if you select one of the empty menu entries (the ones that just say "---")... it's not an error, and when you go to install, you end up trying to install into the installer's ramdisk [16:56] I', still trying to set up this server I am babysitting that reads a scrolling insert coin on the tiny lcd display [16:56] mancha: not tried it yet, the vm is doing something for the next couple minutes [16:56] Urchlay: hahahah that's not a missing failsafe [16:56] Urchlay: That's the expected and intended behaviour. Seems totally appropriate to me. [16:57] anyways, now these unzip'd manpages piss me off....just knowing they're there... [16:57] i predict sleepless nights [16:57] OH SHIT THE microwave is SMOKING! [16:57] eviljames: eh, well, it might be kind enough to not crash with a kernel panic, when the ramdisk fills up [16:57] adrianno (~unknown@201.22.49.181.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Action: fatalnix opens up the microwaves and waves out the smoke [16:58] I sat scratching my head for a couple minutes anyway [16:58] Now thats what I call kentucky fried chicken! [16:58] acidchild (~ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] mancha: a combination of find and an if statement will let you go through and gzip [16:58] adrianno (~unknown@201.22.49.181.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [16:58] Urchlay: Nope. Again, that's the expected and intended behaviour. [16:59] Urchlay: Slackware is not for people who select things at random! You have to _think_ about what you're doing ;) [16:59] dying with a kernel panic is expected and intended? [16:59] eh, yeah [16:59] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] evil, doing it real-time is not an issue. i just hate that the system files and the package files don't match [16:59] All is good guys, my microwave just had a bit of a kernel panic. [16:59] I've been installing it for 10+ years now, doesn't mean I'm perfect and never make mistakes [16:59] I think when I set CONFIG_LOCALVERSION to "-gem" it should make a directory in /lib/modules/ when I make modules install but it does not - what am I missing [16:59] so if i want to do it, ill do it proper and repackage those packages [17:00] it'd be dead easy for the installer to go "You are trying to install the OS into a tiny ramdisk, are you sure this is what you want?" [17:00] Urchlay: just givin' ya the gears bud. [17:00] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: 6PM [17:01] more than anything else i was just sharing that i've gone a little ocd with my manpages [17:01] bbiab :> [17:01] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:01] also found what looks like a genuine bug in installpkg/upgradepkg the other day. I've got /usr and / as separate partitions, went to install a pkg and /usr got filled up (but / didn't). I got no error message, no warning, installpkg exited with status 0, but about half the files I expected to find in /usr weren't there [17:02] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:02] Urchlay: That actually does sound like a bug. [17:03] yah, and I meant to report it to PV, and forgot until just now [17:03] wanted to try to replicate it on a different slack installation, too [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-245.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [17:04] another mystery - I tried running slackpkg reinstall kernel-modules-smp and it did nothing except think and make suggestions - why would that be? [17:05] rude suggestions? [17:05] I thought so [17:05] gimme yo package biatch! it said, right? [17:05] maybe the BOFH symlinked it to fortune -o [17:05] :D [17:05] fortune -o is awesome [17:06] last month I discovered an exciting way to take down my whole system with 1 symlink [17:08] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:09] ln -s /proc/mem /dev/null ? [17:09] fatalnix: there aren't enough in there, though :/ they loop rather quickly [17:09] no I am a lot more creative than that [17:10] judges are dumb http://blogs.mallesons.com/ipwhiteboard/digital-downloads-not-goods [17:13] What did I mess? [17:14] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.40.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-79-80.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:17] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.48.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:18] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.41.22) joined ##slackware. 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[17:41] just what we need, ubuntu lame*** leprechaun [17:46] ok i trimmed dell and laptop and language modules [17:47] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:51] fatalnix: ubntu looney losers? [17:51] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:51] Is that their next codename? [17:51] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-lvyfqckpblspovix) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:52] heh [17:52] Urch glad it worked. I feel like every day i grow more obsolete [17:52] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: lalala caindo fora [17:52] This server is running ubuntu server, my friend is always not understanding why I put slackware and BSD on all my servers and never ubuntu and no longer debian [17:53] debian breaks itself, but thats another story, but seriously, why did he put ubuntu on this thing? 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[18:36] I see that SmartOne_ is making the rounds [18:37] admin: could you please do that ? please ? I don't want to ban forever. [18:38] SmartOne_ (chatzilla@112.135.35.182) left ##slackware. [18:38] do it youself, its call'd "/quit" [18:38] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.41.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:41] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:42] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:44] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:b843:f1c7:b883:a812) joined ##slackware. [18:44] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-79-174.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:59] crashdata: consider how /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow interact, it should come clear as to how to fix. [19:02] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.9) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:03] but /etc/shadow is encrypted. [19:03] evilgayes [19:03] loz [19:04] how do they interact? [19:05] t minus 1 hour and i'm off lolz [19:05] my whole day consist on being on a conference... [19:05] cant wait to down some brewski [19:07] eviljames's whole day consists of looking at women, so when he gets home.. he can't wait to have his boytoy's penis [19:09] j0z (~j0z@201.22.28.210.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:10] eviljames: i forgot the password here for my nickname :) [19:11] neBu: You'll need to go into #freenode and request a staffer send you a password reset [19:11] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] ok thanks you Dominian :) [19:11] np [19:11] lol @ jeev [19:12] yo [19:13] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:14] yo [19:15] Coolmax (~mateusz@ip-94-42-55-83.multimo.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:16] yoyoned (~todd@c-76-125-118-53.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:23] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] dfunct (~dfunct@74-130-178-43.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] j0z (~j0z@189.114.191.218) joined ##slackware. [19:30] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:31] gem_cat (~gem3@207-119-11-229.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Vanishes with a small pop [19:31] crashdata: Why is /etc/shadow encrypted on your machine? [19:33] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:b843:f1c7:b883:a812) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:35] CathyInBlue, share your password with us [19:35] why not? [19:35] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] My password is powtrixlikesthecock. [19:36] lolz [19:36] its always been like that... [19:36] it never shows u the exact passwd [19:37] grazymax (~grazymax@host102-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:37] *facepalm* [19:37] lolz [19:37] You mean the password hash field within the unencrypted /etc/shadow file isn't in plain text, it's hashed, just the way it's supposed to be. [19:37] And no, UNIX passwords have never been stored in plaintext format. [19:38] y u ask me if its encrypted....i;m confuse lollz [19:38] my brain doesnt work nmore i jsut want to go home [19:38] If you want to change a password, you have to use a password hashing utility... like passwd... and it'll do the heavy lifting for you. [19:38] ahh [19:39] but what if I forget my passwor [19:39] But if you want to reverse a password hash to discover what a password is, good luck. It's meant to take more computer time to reverse a hash than it available from now tot he heat death of the universe. [19:39] Then you're fucked. Don't do that. [19:39] Reset your password to what you think it is and move on with life. [19:40] gotcha [19:41] there might have been some misunderstanding in my part on eviljames comment. it sounded like it was easy to reset it..by opening the /etc/shadow [19:41] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [19:42] and /etc/pwd [19:42] /etc/passwd * [19:45] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-099-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [19:47] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:64b8:d05b:1aec:55c4) joined ##slackware. [19:49] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-177-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:58] whatever happened to that write-up for selinux on slackware? [19:58] j0z (~j0z@189.114.191.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:59] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:01] ugh, no. [20:01] what? [20:02] say no yo selinux. [20:02] dios_mio (~dios@88.243.196.10) joined ##slackware. [20:03] hrm, so what's bad about it? too intrusive? [20:04] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:06] it's a PITA to manage. [20:06] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:07] weird.. there's a slackbuild for tripwire and it has an _SBo tag, but it's not on sbo.. ftp://ftp.soc.soton.ac.uk/pub/pwc101/slackware/slackbuilds/system/tripwire/tripwire.SlackBuild [20:08] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:09] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [20:10] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.44.56) joined ##slackware. [20:11] DeputyDERPDERP (batman@75.110.36.127) left ##slackware. [20:14] snowdonkey (~bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:17] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:19] j0z (~j0z@187.59.79.239) joined ##slackware. [20:21] eviljames: yes, there are some third-party slackbuilds out there. [20:21] yoyoned (~todd@c-76-125-118-53.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:22] err [20:22] dios_mio (~dios@88.243.196.10) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:23] digitaloktay (~arch@unaffiliated/digitaloktay) joined ##slackware. [20:24] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:25] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [20:25] they're supposed to change the SBo tag. [20:26] indeed. [20:29] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:31] lol, this guy just said that the reason why Swap memory exists is that memory is fast and swap is slow. [20:31] and the os knows that mem is fast and swap is slow [20:31] ... [20:31] latemus (~m@c-24-10-210-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:33] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [20:40] medum (kevin@d67-193-176-255.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] how can I flush the cache? eg. after to verify a '.sfv' redoing it will be more fast than 1st time [20:47] you mean like sync? [20:48] no, I would to verify again but with near time [20:48] near real time [20:51] I dunno if the OS knows last information into cache memory, but I think redoing a .sfv verification it is more fast than 1st time [20:52] sakurat (~sakurat@tmo-109-101.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:39] mancha? ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/qt/source/ [21:40] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Client Quit [21:40] i used to use the x11 ones. is everywhere a replacement? [21:40] brb [21:40] oktay-slack (~slack@dslb-084-056-240-234.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:42] http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/linux-x11-cpp [21:42] powtrix, yes i think my issue is solved by realizing there's been a naming change [21:42] Slackkware uses qt-kde from gitorious [21:42] was qt4-x11 for 4.5.x and qt4-everywhere for 4.6.x+ [21:43] threw me for a loop [21:43] kde-qt* [21:44] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:45] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177839574.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:48] sahk0, interesting. do you know why? [21:49] hmm why take this to long to boot up, it hanging up by call trace Code: xxxx [21:49] it has some stuff needed for kde ii assume [21:54] digitaloktay (~arch@unaffiliated/digitaloktay) left irc: Quit: bin mal weg langer! [21:55] zhoun (~guo@218.82.103.134) joined ##slackware. [21:58] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [21:59] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] hey guys is kde 4.4 good and stable or should I wait a bit? [22:02] no idea can you let us know how it is, xovan ? :) [22:02] it seemed like people were disappointed when it didn't come as part of 13.0, so i'm sure its better than what it used to be... [22:02] No I'm looking for volunteers to screw up their computer. :D [22:03] ha ha ha [22:03] 4.4 wasn't out when 13.0 was released (and not even close) [22:03] xovan, If you want something screwed up right, do it yourself. ;) [22:03] rofl [22:03] thrice`: it was whatever the next one was going to be then :P [22:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] fhobia, yeah, that being 4.3 :) [22:04] :3 [22:04] you're so informed :) [22:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:04] I tried 4.2 and felt it was really buggy for me I hope 4.4 isn't so bad. [22:04] 4.4 is very much improved over 4.2 [22:04] that's good to hear [22:06] well I'm going to upgrade to -current today so I was hoping I could get a look at some of the new features that kde has. [22:07] 4.4 still has a crashy run command interface [22:07] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: POOF [22:07] actually, it wasn't crashy in other reasons [22:07] does it have problems with .desktop files? [22:07] *versions [22:07] xovan: eh? [22:08] xfce gave me some trouble at first with .desktop files and their exec line [22:08] eh. [22:08] got the ones I needed working. [22:08] oh, rather [22:08] I haven't seen anything in KDE. [22:08] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:08] then again, I run a lot of stuff in alt+F2 or the terminal [22:09] terminal works? That's all I need most of the time but sometimes I just like the convenience of clicking on something. [22:09] Action: fhobia has an addiction to ncurses :( [22:09] ncurses is like smoking [22:10] makes you cool. [22:10] :D [22:10] sometimes when I open konsole it returns as bash $ [22:10] ;D i'm cool now [22:10] its unique problem I see in KDE 4.4 [22:10] I'd start with a fresh ~/.kde* for 4.4 [22:11] then I guess its safe to try an upgrade. After I clean some stuff up then. [22:11] fhobia: ncurses programming? [22:11] no, i'm just a user [22:11] not a pusher yet [22:11] i once made a dialog [22:11] then i got distracted [22:11] s/pusher/punisher [22:12] powtrix: you may need to tell konsole to startup a login shell [22:12] bbl [22:12] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:13] you mean command=/bin/bash ? [22:14] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:14] 98% it opens as "me@machine:~", few times as "bash-4.1$" [22:14] really it is not a problem [22:16] powtrix: that is not a KDE issue. [22:17] razzzat (~ragz@166.188.66.206) joined ##slackware. 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[22:28] zhoun (~guo@218.82.103.134) left irc: Quit: ‚» [22:28] I suppose anomolous probs are proof positive I do not think like other people :[ [22:29] anybody tried 13.1 beta [22:29] you are special gem_cat [22:29] nope, noone [22:29] nope, i haven't [22:29] k [22:29] i'm waiting for the lab rats to report back [22:29] I have a booting kernel but it has lost all its modules [22:29] if they don't report back, i probably won't [22:30] hmm i really want kde4.4 [22:30] then update [22:30] but dont wanna screw mu prodn machine [22:30] o___O [22:30] same story again [22:30] i tried but something got messed up [22:31] so just dont wanna play with it [22:31] how can people mess up? slackpkg is 4 commands to update [22:31] wait for stable, razzzat [22:31] it clearly thinks it put them in /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-gem but did not create or populate that dir [22:31] yeah i think so [22:31] there will only be a couple changes between the beta and final [22:31] -current is unstable for a reason. :P [22:31] Although, yeah, that is harmless [22:32] gem_cat: what command lines did you use to install your modules ? [22:32] i suppose it will be out soon as it will be a year in a august for 13 [22:32] make modules install [22:32] user2438 (~user45925@76.235.55.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:32] and august is right around the corner [22:32] is there also a modules_install rule, gem_cat ? [22:33] new slack in the fall semester [22:33] oh yeah [22:33] new slack will probably be this month [22:33] could be [22:33] i will look [22:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:35] alphageek (rooot@75-119-249-18.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:37] dchmelik (~d@72.95.80.110) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:37] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] fhobia, i see none [22:38] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] oh, ok [22:39] http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/compiling-linux-kernel-26.html [22:39] i was looking at step #4 there [22:39] i guess the rule modules_install may be old and gone now [22:40] snowdonkey (bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:40] q [22:40] Do you want to save? [22:40] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:40] guess not [22:41] I see one glaring mistake I made - I should have copied the source into another folder [22:41] usually just under /usr/src/ right ? [22:42] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] yes i just used the src right there [22:42] bp would make a new folder for the modified version [22:43] must look at the menuconfig again I guess - [22:44] what do you mean look at menuconfig ? [22:44] what are you looking for in there ? [22:46] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] I think I figured out what I did :/ [22:48] :3 [22:48] the auto mode overwrites the manual [22:48] auto mode ? [22:48] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.25) joined ##slackware. [22:48] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:49] so for some reason it took the manual for the system map and the auto for the install (we will see) [22:49] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] it booted - the first six tries didnt even do that [22:51] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:54] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [22:54] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-238-36.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Hello, I'm getting "No resource agents found." on akonadi server self-test, what is this? [22:55] cool, gem_cat [23:05] /join #tcl [23:05] oops [23:07] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:12] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:14] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:15] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:16] is there any way to disable the soundcard headphone port? [23:17] something's jammed in it, and it's preventing any sound from coming out from the speakers [23:17] remove the soundcard and clear the port echelon [23:18] it's a laptop -_- [23:19] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:19] a mess to do but possible - you may have to get a usb sound device if you dont want to dismantle your laptop [23:19] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:20] yeah, i know.. just thought maybe there was a temporary software solution [23:20] it is a physical disconnect in that socket - at least on all the ones I have seen [23:21] there's nothing actually stuck in it [23:21] the port got displaced, and it's all the way inside [23:21] desolder it [23:23] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.28.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:23] if you wait long enough the fan will fail and then you will either have to take it apart or throw it away :) [23:24] -_- [23:24] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:25] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.69.143) left irc: Quit: Say good night to the bad guy. [23:29] http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HE-280B&cat=SND&cpc=SNDbsc there you go echelon - all fixed [23:30] thanks, i've seen 'em [23:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] ugh [23:31] dont get that [23:31] get the turtle beach srm [23:32] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [23:33] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:34] looks pricey [23:34] kuitang (~kuitang@173-30-14-191.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:36] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-178.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] $24 AND no mic input [23:39] the srm has mic input [23:39] stereo mic...optical...8 channel [23:39] optical in and out [23:41] ic and musician quality - I have heard too much construction noise to need the best :) [23:42] the srm has fantastic sound quality [23:43] so does my wife's MAudio - but I am half deaf [23:47] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:49] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:50] straterra, tell me - how does the cheapie compare to the built in sound on a laptop - could it be worse? [23:50] kuitang (~kuitang@173-30-14-191.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:50] troy (~troy@70.51.157.31) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-144-107.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:51] did anyone make an install iso for 13.1beta? [23:51] yes [23:51] it could be a lot worse [23:52] aigoo (~jfo@92.84.31.232) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Action: troy is looking for an install iso so he doesn't have to install 13.0 first and then download ALL of current [23:53] I tried opensuse on this laptop for about a week now, and it's pissing me off so much that I'm going back home to slack :P [23:53] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-211-243.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:54] i think slackware.no puts out -current ISOs [23:54] but they are not "official" [23:54] yes, but they won't have them till monday. [23:54] ang: that doesn't bother me :P [23:54] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:55] he can grab what they have and then slackpkg the rest [23:55] what specificly about suse got to you troy ? [23:55] or use the mirror-slackware-current.sh script and have it spit out the isos [23:56] gem_cat: well, I needed to go to suse factory to get drivers new enough (things I've had in -current for a while) - but while -current is usually quite stable, 'factory' is not [23:57] gem_cat: on the upside, I did get the opensource ati drivers working fully on this laptop for the first time [23:57] I'm assuming they should work in -current just as well, I just haven't tried in a while [23:57] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:59] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [23:59] anyway - thanks guys - I'll use the slackware.no isos to install :) [23:59] corretico__ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Action: troy goes [23:59] troy (~troy@70.51.157.31) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:00] --- Sat May 8 2010