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[00:33] sheesh, this is crazy, the actual ldappr.h is in comm-1.9.1/mozilla/config/system_wrappers, .configure is looking for it at comm-1.9.1/mozilla/dist/include/system_wrappers, which is a symlink to comm-1.9.1/mozilla/config/system_wrappers [00:33] fire|bird: did you try yelling at it? [00:34] frullet: yup, no luck. :P [00:34] it doesn't like links :) [00:34] Rat409: It seemingly doesn't like anything. :/ [00:35] what's the difference between an argument and a flag ? [00:35] in seamonkey nightly 2.1pre1mughh chatzilla atm,browers much improved tho [00:35] Rat409: really? [00:35] deco: an argument is between two people, a flag is what one our the other waves to surrender. :P [00:35] i'd like to upgrade my kernel, please [00:35] s/our/or/ [00:35] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-13-103.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:35] Action: deco kicks fire|bird [00:36] deco: what? you asked. :P [00:36] yuh i find it easier to unpack it in ~/ and run from there,way mozilla releases fixes lately [00:36] i have no need to compile it,personally [00:37] fire|bird: .... let me say rephrase it [00:37] in linux what's the difference between an argument and a flag [00:37] Rat409, frullet, any ideas? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/t5l3XC38.html [00:39] Action: wollw guesses that a flag is a specific type or argument [00:39] or/of [00:39] fire|bird: you're still trying to compile seamonkey? :) [00:39] flag is binary, on or off [00:39] and that, flags don't have to be arguments [00:40] flag registers come to mind... [00:40] neonflux: yeah, thrice` helped me and it builds and works, however, the way it's built is by eliminating the two make's in the slackbuild that provide the nss/nspr stuff that other things like gxine, rpm, pidgin, etc. need to build against. [00:40] fire|bird: that sucks [00:40] so you have flags, options, arguments, and generalized good cheer [00:41] neonflux: indeed. I'm just sort of at a loss as to what to try next with it, I don't understand why it's not seeing ldappr.h [00:42] fire|bird: could you also pass --disable-ldap to configure? [00:42] neonflux: tried it, it wouldn't load any web pages, at all. [00:42] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-196-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:42] fire|bird: hmmm...weird :/ [00:43] neonflux: it sure is. [00:45] fire|bird: i'm not seeing anything myself, hmm [00:47] neonflux: It looks for ldappr.h:3:25: Is there a way I can see what the ldappr.h file is, as far as if it is in fact 3:25 or something? [00:49] running file ldappr.h doesn't show any version-ish info, and opening the file doesn't show any relevant info either. [00:49] fire|bird: I think your guess is as good as mine....I'm really not sure...sorry [00:49] neonflux: no worries, thank you. :) [00:50] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] fire|bird: fwiw http://pastebin.ca/1660603 [00:51] its the buildconfig for this binary seamonkey [00:51] fire|bird: ldappr.h is a header file which is used to declare standardized indentifiers in more than one source file [00:52] Rat409: thanks. [00:53] not much there but ..shrug [00:53] frullet: yeah, and the file is there, ./configure looks to comm-1.9.1/mozilla/dist/include/system_wrappers, which is symlinked to comm-1.9.1/mozilla/config/system_wrappers, which is where the file is, yet it doesn't see it. :/ [00:56] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.47.154) joined ##slackware. [00:56] uva_ (i=bno@220-136-228-102.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:57] Nick change: jescis|afk -> jescis [00:58] fire|bird: thats an sbo slackbuild? [00:58] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.154.148) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Rat409: slackware slackbuild. [00:59] fire|bird: time learn autoconf? [00:59] *time to [00:59] Rat409: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/source/xap/seamonkey/ [00:59] NaCl: Is that what I need to know to fix this? :P [01:00] If configure is failing to find something, then you may have to mess with configure.in or something like that. [01:02] NaCl: I've already looked through there. [01:02] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-226-47.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:02] wgetting it,i'll see if configure passes here [01:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:14] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.52.249) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.47.154) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:24] fire|bird: going wild here [01:24] building [01:24] Rat409: lol, it will be a ways into it if it errors out. [01:25] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] It errors during the chatzilla phase. [01:25] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:25] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [01:27] sweetandy (n=sweetand@c-98-237-235-242.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:33] my laptop scrolling so fast i can barely read it [01:33] haha [01:33] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:34] i thought it would just run configure i could kill it was doing another app boom its compiling [01:35] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-24-21-15-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] doing chrome etc [01:38] Rat409: yeah, it's a beast to build. [01:39] nss stuff now [01:41] Guest28047 (n=si@60-242-50-107.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:42] mail now [01:42] this is too much like gentoo :( [01:42] lol [01:46] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@173-16-206-87.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:48] deco, !! version me ;P [01:48] nix_chix0r: !!!huh ? [01:48] he doesn't do that on the first date [01:49] lol [01:49] mancha: He doesn't do that ever, he doesn't know how. [01:49] i have no morals [01:49] it built here [01:49] :( [01:49] i ran slkbuild as reg user also [01:50] Rat409: wow, and no errors? [01:50] he doesn't know how to do that [01:50] no, [01:51] anyway deco slackware is installed :) [01:51] if you got a host for a lg file i'll pass it along [01:51] Rat409: does /usr/include/seamonkey-2.0 have nss and nspr? are they populated? [01:51] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [01:51] probly [01:51] one sec [01:53] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [01:55] any python enthusiasts or geeks? [01:56] cryptic0: geek here [01:56] and a geek there [01:56] here a geek [01:57] there a geek [01:57] lol [01:57] every where a geek [01:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@173-16-206-87.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:59] Somebody has sound working after upgrading to KDE 4.3.3? [02:00] fire|bird: it only pkg the damn plugins [02:00] no bin [02:00] maybe cause i didn't run it root [02:01] lol [02:01] but thats still lame it just built the pkg didn't attempt to install it [02:03] nope its in /tmp [02:03] scrollback buffer [02:03] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [02:04] is there a slackware package for py2exe? [02:04] o/ heyllo there. [02:05] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:05] fire|bird: its good 2 pkgs one seamonkey 1 solibs [02:06] if theres a free web host i can find for these 2 i can pass them on [02:06] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-066-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] i unpack'd both .xz's looked them over [02:06] brb [02:10] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [02:11] uva (i=bno@118-160-171-183.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-54.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:20] fire|bird: i;m uploading to omploader.org,be a minute [02:21] Rat409: ok, thanks. [02:21] had to grab ham,cheese [02:21] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:22] aigon (n=jfo@92.82.89.19) joined ##slackware. [02:22] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.145) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:23] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.145) joined ##slackware. [02:24] fire|bird: http://omploader.org/vMnByYQ and plugins in a minute [02:26] fire|bird: http://omploader.org/vMnByZA [02:30] well,least i know mb sensors,fans fine,longest compile in a long time. i tend to baby this laptop [02:30] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [02:30] lol [02:30] thanks Rat409 [02:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.64.61) joined ##slackware. [02:30] sure [02:31] what happened to nix chixor? [02:32] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Rat409: she's on her way home, she was at her brother's house. [02:32] ohh [02:32] Reaver (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:33] cool [02:33] Rat409: btw, if you ever really want to test that laptop, build kde4. :P [02:34] no thanks lol,best i'd do is xfce4 :P [02:34] lol [02:35] temps are normal,nice n cool now tho [02:35] If that laptop had any issues, kde4 compile would find em, and may leave it in a heap of smoking plastic and metal. [02:36] 1st time i did gentoo on old celeron 700mhz w/320mb pc100 ram,base was est'd at like 3 days iirc [02:36] hahaha [02:36] yuh it wasn't pretty lol [02:37] a learning experience tho [02:37] yeah [02:37] and 3 days watching text scroll by. :P [02:37] yup and wondering when when is it done lol [02:37] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.154.148) left irc: "Leaving" [02:38] that'd suck though, 2.5 days into it and you get an error for some reason. [02:38] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [02:38] yuh cflags,useflags are dangerous for newbies,i know lol [02:39] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] i know people tho run kde4 all the extras and think nothing of emerge world [02:39] crazy [02:40] lol [02:40] but to each their own,and hw is always getting better in leaps [02:40] b0tnet (n=void@67.183.66.193) joined ##slackware. [02:40] halp [02:41] plz [02:41] wxcam: cannot open /dev/dsp...no audio [02:41] what is incorrect? [02:41] ppp (i=1000@adsl-68-123-181-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:41] Rat409: yeah. My pc is from 2004 and I am thankfully able to compile and what not with ease, slack runs excellent on it. [02:42] b0tnet: current and upgraded kde4? [02:43] Rat409: My laptop is newer (2007), and runs even better than my desktop, and certainly compiles things faster. [02:44] b0tnet: Are you using slackware -current and just upgraded, including kde? [02:44] i am using slackware 13 [02:44] 64 bit [02:45] this is 2 yrs old xmas,amd turion x2 1.9ghz , 2gb ram [02:45] Rat409: lol, neither of my machines have 2g of ram. [02:45] slack runs nice on it,. snappy [02:45] b0tnet: Did you just update and this problem occurred? [02:45] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:46] Rat409: yeah, same here. [02:46] no, i just tried to record audio on wxcam and this occurred [02:46] b0tnet: ok, does /dev/dsp exist? [02:46] i can record audio on audacity and with recordmydesktop, by wxcam says "could not open /dev/dsp" [02:46] yes, it exists [02:47] sweetandy (n=sweetand@c-98-237-235-242.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:48] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] i even tried chmod 777 on it, but wxcam still cannot access it [02:50] b0tnet: seems to be more an issue with wxcam beings you can record with other programs. [02:50] yeah, i know its wxcam, but i thought to ask you guys since generally you all know how to fix things.. [02:51] yuh i should add ram but does what i need. brb [02:52] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left ##slackware. [02:52] b0tnet: I've never used wxcam, so I'm not sure what the issue might be, maybe someone else will come around that can help more than I can. [02:52] b0tnet: wxcam uses alsa? 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[06:18] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [06:21] infoman (n=info_man@196.202.27.173) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Hi :) [06:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.69.60) joined ##slackware. [06:26] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [06:26] greetings... [06:28] im trying to compile the new kernel 6.32version...question: is there a new version of alienBOB's compiling kernel doc in his wiki? [06:28] is anything changed in the philosophy or is it all the same..i mean something to be careful about ;) [06:29] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:29] yskapell (n=panthro@195.134.89.99) joined ##slackware. [06:29] hello guys [06:29] hello! [06:30] I update kde in slackware-cuurent64 and I can see the icons in kde applications [06:30] any idea? [06:30] yskapell: you are supposed to see the icons arent you? [06:30] The-Croupier: 6.32, crap, I'm years behind :D [06:30] yskapell> slackpkg install-new [06:30] The-Croupier: same ;) [06:31] The-Croupier: yes... [06:31] Camarade_Tux: same here...;) thats why im updating [06:31] or slackpkg upgrade-all [06:31] yskapell: You mean the icons are showing through into windows where they aren't supposed to? [06:31] i do it yesterday [06:31] I can not see open icon in ktorrent or the ktorrent when it is running [06:31] Camarade_Tux: thank you ;) [06:32] hows it going by the way? everything alright? [06:32] usr13: No I mean that I can not see the icon of dolphin or the folders [06:33] yskapell: Maybe you should start over and explain more clearly the abnormality you are seeing on the screen. [06:34] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:34] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.137.44) joined ##slackware. [06:34] i shouldn start this now...i dont have livecd..hope i dont get the famous kernel panic [06:35] usr13: check the problem http://img195.imageshack.us/i/kdeproblem.png/ [06:36] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.52.249) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:36] yskapell: let me guess, slackware-current + kde 4.3.3 ? [06:36] The-Croupier: actually I'm already on 2.6.32, I was joking at the "6.32" kernel :D [06:37] BP{k}: /var/log/packages/kdebase-4.3.2-x86_64-1 [06:37] yskapell: how did you install? [06:37] slackpkg [06:38] yskapell: have you read the changelog for -current? [06:38] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-157.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:39] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] BP{k}: BP{k} No [06:40] now I upgrade in kde-4.3.3 and I will see [06:40] yskapell: then why are you running -current? [06:41] How to laod a new font? [06:42] I run it from 12.0 that's why [06:43] you upgraded from 12.0 to slackware64-current? [06:43] no [06:43] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-46-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:44] I upgrade from 12 to current nnd I install slakcware64 in VM [06:45] I've downloaded terminius-font from slackbuilds. [06:45] Reaver (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:45] Axius: build it, install it, it works. [06:45] I've build it. [06:45] weird.. i just stumbled upon a picture of RMS holding a gerbil wrapped in duct tape [06:46] what was he planning to do with it.. [06:46] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:46] imr4N (n=pikachu@203.128.250.0) joined ##slackware. [06:46] http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/images/jsol-rms-gerbil-liz-mg.jpg [06:46] see for your self [06:46] BP{k}: How to load it? [06:47] yskapell: Since I am such an fscking bluebird of joy this morning, here's your free clue. "There were several packages added to the 4.3.x series that weren't in the 4.2.x series." .. these are generally marked as "ADDED" in the Changelog. [06:47] tewmten: howdy! [06:47] andreas-- (n=root@ppp091138233184.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [06:47] hola BP{k} [06:48] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [06:48] Axius: did you install it? [06:48] BP{k}: yes, I've installed it. [06:49] Axius: hmm last time I installed terminus, it just appeared in the font list for my terminal/konsole .. however I am not sure how to add it on a tty. [06:52] imr4N (n=pikachu@203.128.250.0) left ##slackware. [06:53] yskapell2 (n=panthro@athedsl-4513887.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:57] BP{k}: With fontconfig does not work either. [06:58] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-46-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[07:26] you must use ps fonts [07:29] nyRednek: can you help me/ [07:31] nyRednek: can you help me? [07:31] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] hi, slackwaer [07:31] in the slackbook [07:32] is this line a typo ? cat arch/i386/boot/bzImage > /vmlinuz [07:34] chee: not really. Although most seem to prefer /boot/vmlinuz these days. [07:35] the line before it is [07:35] mv /boot/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz.old [07:35] Axius (n=fd@92.85.209.200) left irc: "leaving" [07:35] this is why I felt it might be a typo. [07:36] Axius (n=fd@92.85.209.200) joined ##slackware. [07:36] but you say it doesn't really matter? [07:36] i'm compiling my kernel at this very moment [07:36] chee: nah, doesn't matter really where you stick it, as long as lilo can find it at boot. /vmlinuz is old style. [07:36] i did it earlier in the AM, but i failed somehow [07:37] 'No file system could mount root.' [07:37] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [07:37] i must have forgot to compile in ext3 & ext4 support ^w^ [07:37] probably missing either your root partition file system or hd controller :) [07:37] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [07:40] i think it must have been missing the file system, because the next line was [07:40] "Tried romfs" [07:40] guys...can i cd into linux-newkernel..compile the kernel and after that do the symlink stuff [07:40] and i said :| [07:41] im worried cos im at work and i dont have a slackware cd with me :( [07:41] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [07:41] i dont want to get something wrong :( [07:41] slackie (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [07:42] i had to burn a new slackware dvd this morning, The-Croupier , because I forgot to adjust my time delay on lilo [07:43] Axius_ (n=fd@92.85.209.200) joined ##slackware. [07:43] i do not know the answer to your question [07:47] The-Croupier: symlink stuff? [07:48] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:48] yeah..you know delete linux...symlink to new kernel...etc..etc [07:49] Well, how'd you want to else do it. You can't make symlinks to stuff that isn't build yet. [07:49] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:49] Well .. you _can_ . it just doesn't make much sense. [07:49] BP{k}: :( well in the manual it says first delete linux and point to new kernel then compile ...etc [07:49] so i was wondering if i could change it a little bit ;) [07:49] The-Croupier: and which manual is that? [07:50] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding&s[]=kernel&s[]=compile [07:50] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [07:50] i accidently restarted X [07:50] The-Croupier: ah. [07:50] Does slackware have program to listen radio channels? [07:51] you mean linux as in the kernel source. [07:51] Does slackware have program to listen radio stations? [07:51] BP{k}: yep...;) [07:52] The-Croupier: does help if you are actually a bit more clearer about what you're talking about. :P [07:52] as always...my terminology and detail explanation is soooo bad :( [07:52] quite. [07:52] BP{k}: sorry :( [07:52] Axius_: no need to ask the same question twice within a minute, unless you like getting people annoyed :) [07:52] The-Croupier: and your answer is in the text :) go re-read ;) [07:53] no, indeed. [07:53] BP{k}: i am ;) [07:53] Axius_: I am sure xmms, audacious and amarok can listen to radio streams. [07:54] something to in console. [07:54] Action: BP{k} sighs .. [07:54] mpg321(1) [07:55] A program the work without X. [07:56] Axius_: lol [07:56] mplayer? does it do stuff like that? [07:56] Axius_: Have a look here: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [07:57] Axius, mplayer can do that [07:57] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:57] BP{k}:lol [07:58] Axius (n=fd@92.85.209.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:58] BP{k}, bookmarked [07:58] im trying to compile kernel 6.32 and the config-generic in current is 6.29...:( if i remember correctly it doesnt matter so much right? [07:59] Axius_, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mplayer+slackware [07:59] NthDegree: i think he is not looking for mplayer per se... but anyway ;) [08:00] I don't think he's even read the manpages .. but alas ;) [08:00] MPlayer listens to streams and can work without X [08:01] even han so gui by default [08:01] gmplayer for a GUI and mplayer for CLI [08:02] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [08:02] free software for the win >_> [08:02] oss even [08:02] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:02] I'm downloading MPlayer to see if it works. [08:02] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [08:02] smplayer looks nice but it's for kde4 [08:03] Axius_: mplayer is part of slackware. [08:04] I know that but I've removed it. [08:05] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-130-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:06] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-130-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:06] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-130-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:07] thieusoai (n=thieusoa@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: "leaving" [08:07] thieusoai (n=thieusoa@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Axius_: well then put it back on ;) [08:10] there are some things that you never remove from slackware (i.e slackware :p ) [08:10] I've put mplayer back and alot of other stuff too! [08:11] It required samba for what? [08:11] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [08:12] winter: kde4 or qt4? [08:12] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.172.65) joined ##slackware. [08:12] hi there! :) [08:13] Camarade_Tux: qt4 [08:14] Camarade_Tux: it's in qt4 so i assume that it's the same [08:14] paul424_ (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:14] no, it's not [08:14] that's like saying gtk=gnome [08:14] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-155.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:14] I compiled it on a computer without kde* last week >< [08:14] kde4 is the only de based on qt4 [08:14] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:15] says who? [08:15] but qt4 apps run without kde4 [08:15] and qt* apps run without kde* [08:15] yeah, yeah, yeah [08:15] paul424_ (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [08:15] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Hi why the slackpkg mirror .no does not contain the newest kde 4.3.3 why on slackware.org it is ? [08:16] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:17] gnubien (n=e@231.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Cara_Magro (i=0@189.125.173.149) joined ##slackware. [08:17] paul424: uhm .. it does. [08:18] Camarade_Tux: smplayer will look like at home anly in kde4, doesnt matter if it uses some kd4 widgets/functions or not [08:19] impy (n=impy@88.147.64.235) left irc: [08:20] Alan_Hicks: SYN/ACK [08:20] it'll look like almost at home on other DEs [08:20] well not in my gnome [08:21] pain is that you can use gtk-qt-engines in kde and there is no equivalent for gtk based de's [08:22] ok, other DEs but gnome I guess [08:22] same with xfce [08:22] or lxde [08:24] Axius_ (n=fd@92.85.209.200) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:24] Gnome is fugly and evil [08:24] ++ [08:24] wrong [08:24] xfce is good [08:25] lxde is good [08:25] some readon i like KDE4 tho hated KDE3 [08:26] BP{k}: slackpkg search kde, gives: [ upgrade ] - kdebase-workspace-4.3.2-i686-1_vb --> kdebase-workspace-4.2.4-i486-1 [08:27] Naraku: wanna screenie? [08:27] ;) [08:28] impy (n=impy@88.147.64.235) joined ##slackware. [08:29] spook: seems 65535 was lvm1 only.. lvm2 is 2^$ARCH [08:29] s/5/6/ [08:29] paul424: have you ran "slackpkg update"? [08:30] hmm nope :\ [08:30] >.< [08:30] Action: BP{k} sighs [08:30] BP{k}: good catch [08:31] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:31] Patzy_ (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] winter: Qt has native support for gtk themes [08:31] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] it will look like any other gtk app, you just have to set the theme [08:31] pprkut: can i set it in qt4-config? [08:32] let me look [08:32] Right, since the level or sillyness in this channel seems on the rise .. I am going to mooch off into town to look at bikes. later folks :) [08:32] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [08:32] winter: yes, I think it's called "Gtk+" [08:33] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:34] there is such option here [08:34] Appearance -> GUI Style -> Set GUI Style -> Gtk+ [08:35] anyone bought corsair PSUs? [08:35] s/set/select/ [08:35] yes, i havn't got such option [08:35] oh, well [08:37] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [08:39] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: "leaving" [08:40] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.7.129) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] should be any peformace issues bettween the packages i486 and i686 [08:44] Action: paul424 sighs [08:45] Nick change: StevenR_ -> StevenR [08:49] impy (n=impy@88.147.64.235) left irc: [08:50] impy (n=impy@88.147.64.235) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] w3b3r (n=tomasz@dynamic-78-8-50-161.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:00] I'm working with hosting and websites and I'd like to offer free hosting to opensource and free software projects [09:00] w3b3r (n=tomasz@dynamic-78-8-50-161.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:02] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:02] Yes. you speak with the leader. [09:04] hello paul424, nice to meet you [09:04] Does slackware community pay for the hosting? [09:05] with money? :) [09:05] oh, sorry, I read "how does" [09:05] no they don't. The hostiing is free. [09:06] ok [09:06] so I think you are not interested in another free hosting [09:06] Mostly those are universities,,, yeah [09:06] |CtrlAltCa| (n=fabio@83.225.159.58) joined ##slackware. [09:06] ok [09:07] slackware has a main server, but kind of uses osuosl for distribution to other mirrors who volunteer to host it (slackware.com/getslack for a nice list) [09:07] If you know some opensource projects without free hosting, contact me [09:07] mbutUbuntu01: it would be difficult to you because most package upgrades comes not through www, but other software like slackpkg or slapt-get [09:07] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.94.189) joined ##slackware. [09:07] paul424, yes but I think all package management software uses http o ftp [09:07] no? [09:07] Cilyan (n=come@110.155.68-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] but paul424 [09:08] get my email address [09:08] mbutUbuntu01: yes but you want to but banners, pop ups and so forth right ? [09:08] mbutubuntu@yahoo.it [09:08] paul424, no [09:08] only a little banner [09:08] with little I say about 150x150 pixels [09:08] no popup [09:09] I hate poput [09:09] mbutUbuntu01: yes, but listen if someone does not use the web browser to download the packages you have no use in banners either. [09:09] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-96-44.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:09] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:09] or about the banner also a little banner like this http://www.amaiddabordonaro.it/images/netdesign.png [09:09] paul424, infact I'm not offering a mirror [09:10] I'm offering server-space for websites [09:10] or websites+MySQL [09:12] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.24.199) joined ##slackware. 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[09:48] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:48] RipVanWinkle: breakfast of champions! :) [09:49] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:49] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-46-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:50] sticks to your ribs (and the roof of your mouth) [09:51] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [09:51] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [09:54] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@89.72.161.94) joined ##slackware. [09:55] man, it seems that no matter how many workspaces i have, i always need one more [09:56] i think windowmaker will add them automatically as needed but you have to enable it in that config thingy [09:56] sdrv (n=notRoot@e176072127.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:56] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [09:57] how would it know i need another? [09:57] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176073070.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:58] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7337B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] ctrl+alt+ & left or right arrow [09:58] i tried it before a while back, it works good [09:59] let me log in to windowmaker and take a quick look/see [09:59] v4nelle (n=van@adsl21-114.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:00] interesting [10:01] the seventh block thing up top, select wrap work spaces and automatically create new work spaces [10:02] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:02] w3b3r (n=tomasz@dynamic-78-8-50-161.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:02] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.24.199) left irc: "Leaving" [10:03] you have to launch the config tool from the menu, that desktop icon is pointing to the wrong location (Preferences Utility) [10:03] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.24.199) joined ##slackware. [10:03] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:04] thanks [10:05] przemoc (n=przemoc@89.72.161.94) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:08] Has anyone tried using LinuxLive with slackware? [10:09] The result is called SLAX hiptobecubic [10:09] alienBOB, oh that's it? Just slackware on squashfs? [10:11] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Success [10:13] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.98) joined ##slackware. [10:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [10:17] hiptobecubic: a little more offbeat that "slackware on squashfs", but effectively, close enough [10:18] it has it's own packaging system and repository [10:18] ah [10:20] I like the idea of using squashfs + aufs, but slax looks.... kind of ridiculous [10:21] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.154.148) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] aigon (n=jfo@92.84.24.199) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:22] feel free to re-invent the wheel [10:24] tom__ (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:24] jva (n=jva@78.155.75.155) joined ##slackware. [10:24] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:24] Nick change: Panzer_ -> Panzer [10:24] Hi I did the upgrade through the slackpkg but I didn't requested to overwrite the config files... what should I do only to overwrite them [10:25] marin (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [10:25] got vim? [10:25] marin (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:25] i've recently installed slackware 13, what is the best package manager [10:26] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [10:26] RipVanWinkle: ? [10:26] slackpkg for updating system stuff, and slackbuilds.org for stuff in included in slackware jva [10:26] I don't even know which one I have skipped [10:27] with slackware YOU! are the package manager, but there is slackpkg for downloading & updates, slackbuilds.org for third party packages you can build yourself, [10:28] tom__: did you make a backup copy of /etc before starting your upgrade? and did you read the documentation about doing an upgrade? (personally i just do clean installs myself) [10:28] jva, sbopkg.org and slackpkg are all people will vouch for in here i think [10:29] hiptobecubic: i tried with 13. it fails ^) going to have to reinvent the wheel myself [10:29] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:29] john_dee, you tried slackware + livelinux? [10:29] er... linuxlive, rather [10:30] hiptobecubic: yes. i'm kinda in process of making a live system based on slack [10:30] hmm i don't have a package manager [10:30] and yes, i tried linux-live. so far the experience was not very good [10:30] john_dee, i made a usb boot slack install, but i'm looking at the disadvantages of having it write all over the disk constantly [10:31] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.182.156) joined ##slackware. [10:31] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:32] Mihaylov (n=mihaylov@87-126-169-48.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [10:33] Nick change: g4tt0 -> gatt0 [10:33] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.154.148) joined ##slackware. [10:33] hiptobecubic: makes sense. but for me it's about making system work from a read-only media to relieve me paranoia =) [10:33] what about linux-live anyway? have you tried it yourself? [10:34] john_dee, no i was just looking at it. i might still try [10:34] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:35] should I do slackpkg reinstall kde if I didn't put the config files where they should be ... I mean I should do the new install there is no magic option to just install the new config files, right ? [10:36] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [10:37] did you accidently skip past them, or did you refuse them? [10:37] refuse [10:37] tom__: why dont use wipe out $HOME instead? sounds, and must be much easier. [10:37] which config files? [10:37] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-169-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:37] at least .kde, .config and .local [10:37] all which come with the kde packages ... [10:37] i thought he was talking about 'slackpkg new-config' kind of config files [10:37] hiptobecubic: well, it doesn't seem to play well with 13. both with precompiled kernel and with manually built. or maybe it's pebkac [10:37] ^) [10:37] packages dont install anything in $HOME [10:37] do YOU know which those are tom__ ? there's no interaction involved from the packages [10:38] he never mentioned home, sahko [10:38] he said config files. [10:38] john_dee, let's see how it does :D [10:38] yes, he said config files [10:38] but yeah chee i see your point [10:39] thrice` : I just did slackpkg upgrade kde ... the logs should list which of them were upgraded exactly [10:40] tom__, I don't know if you understand :) you don't need to touch ANY config files that the kde package provide [10:40] when you change KDE settings, the configurations stuff will go to your $HOME directory on a per-user basis [10:40] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: "Leaving" [10:41] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [10:41] so, reinstalling kde packages will not reset configuration settings [10:41] thrice` : seems I need cause after upgrade it crashes [10:41] sdrv (n=notRoot@e176072127.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:42] hiptobecubic: if you're going to give it a try it'd be nice to know how it goes for you, if you don;t mind :D [10:42] Action: hitest is curious about the status of slackboy?! Maintenance? [10:43] Nick change: gatt0 -> g88 [10:44] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [10:44] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] samba_ (i=75f07c01@gateway/web/freenode/x-vhjofiuogqgvfndu) joined ##slackware. [10:45] whats with all the netsplits? has freenode gone downhill since i been gone? [10:45] hello [10:45] can anybody help me configure samba to share files in a network [10:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@78.25.173.34) left irc: K-lined [10:46] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] RipVanWinkle: noone ever told you fighting the ubuntu crowd on reddit was already lost? :P [10:47] samba_: there are many step-by-step guides on the web [10:48] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:48] hiptobecubic: a friend of mine put a slax on his usb key which was formatted as xfs, worked pretty well [10:48] mako-sama:I am using xfce environment and nothing seems to work [10:48] well, he borked it but that was his fault, not the system's :P [10:48] lol [10:48] Slax looks really unorganized [10:48] samba_: I don't use xfce, but I am sure that it has nothing to do with samba configuration [10:49] xfce works perfectly for me [10:49] hiptobecubic: how so? [10:49] hi, i am using slackware64 + alienBob's multilib. has anyone used amarok to fetch covers? does it work for you with the amarok that came with slackware 13? [10:49] Camarade_Tux, have you looked at the modules 'repository' ? [10:49] and crap, this PSU weighs way more than the hard drive, motherboard, cpu and ram combined (i.e. everything else in the system) [10:49] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] hiptobecubic: yeah, that is definitely crappy [10:49] mako-sama:can you just tell me how to mount samba to a folder to browse different files shared by other computers [10:49] but that's not really slax itself, it's around slax [10:50] They look randomly made by who knows who, different versions all over the place, etc [10:50] sdrv (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [10:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: "Leaving" [10:50] hiptobecubic: s/look/are/ [10:50] sdrv (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] Camarade_Tux, sure, but it's not like i'm not going to want any software. I'd rather reinvent the wheel as RipVanWinkle said. At least my wheel will be round [10:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] plus i have yet to use squashfs and i'm curious [10:51] so ... whats keeping you? [10:51] hiptobecubic: what did he say? I was away and just came back [10:51] thieusoai (n=thieusoa@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: "leaving" [10:51] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176072127.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:52] mako-sama:can you just tell me how to mount samba to a folder to browse different files shared by other computers [10:52] Camarade_Tux, i was just talking about how slax doesn't like I want to use and he suggested that I reinvent the wheel :) [10:52] anyone use amarok in slackware 13? [10:52] samba_: something like mount -t smbfs //remotehost/directory /mnt/localdir [10:52] yeah but i dont fetch covers [10:52] jva (n=jva@78.155.75.155) left irc: "Leaving" [10:53] hiptobecubic: alienB0B said he had started something but put it on hold because of slackware64 [10:53] hiptobecubic: and you may also be happy with slackware + linux-live scripts [10:53] maybe next slackware release, kde-4 will be better [10:53] Camarade_Tux, that's what i'm looking at now. john_dee said he tried and it bombed [10:54] oh, a "CORSAIR" sticker with the PSU, how bad this computer is going to be case-less :D [10:54] mako-sama:how to first browse the remote directory [10:54] "bombed" meaning "rocked" or "sucked" [10:54] ? [10:54] I don't really want to push a button and drool while some blackbox generates a filesystem for me. I'd like to see how it all works [10:54] mako-sama:how should I see files shared by other computers in a network [10:54] Camarade_Tux, sucked. [10:54] will your new comp glow in the dark, Camarade_Tux ? [10:55] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] jg71: I hope it'll be invisible and won't make any sound [10:55] hiptobecubic: they're still the best live-distro tools *by* *far* [10:55] i'm sure they are [10:56] I don't even see any others [10:56] oh ... then make it play evil laughter when you log in as root ;) Camarade_Tux [10:56] hiptobecubic: and I digged in the scripts too, were pretty readable [10:56] samba_: I don't remember really...maybe: smbclient -L HOSTNAME [10:56] plus you still have to make the kernel and friends [10:56] it has been years since the last time i used samba [10:56] Camarade_Tux, i'm more of a 'learn by failing' kind of person [10:57] So i'll spend a few days making ugly .sqfs files that don't do anything and then i'll understand it [10:57] hiptobecubic: debian's (knoppix mainly), ubuntu/fedora which are a regular install but on an usb stick (which sucks 'cause it's not meant for that) [10:57] opensuse's too [10:57] hiptobecubic: I am too ;-) [10:57] which is why I am going to try to boot a system without a screen :) [10:58] Camarade_Tux, haha. As long as sshd comes up you'll make it [10:58] I'm not even sure lilo is properly installed :D [10:58] all I have to test is a laptop which means I can't replace the hard drive and test :D [10:59] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Camarade_Tux, i didn't have any trouble with lilo after i figured out the initrd situation [10:59] mbutUbuntu01 (n=mbutubun@host91-109-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [10:59] Camarade_Tux, I also used some relative paths in my lilo.conf and had to run lilo from a particular directory only :D [11:00] well, I chrooted lilo -M /dev/sdb, hope it's gonna work [11:00] I tried in qemu but it failed, but my qemu-foo is terribly low [11:01] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.161.250) joined ##slackware. [11:01] lol [11:01] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-130-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:02] i'm getting better at qemu :) largely because of this project i think [11:02] lilo -t is your friend [11:03] should try -v 5 too to increase verbosity ;-) [11:05] and since I'm case-less, I don't have a power button ^^ [11:06] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:06] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [11:07] ok, mobo boots, let's add the cpu, ram and hard drive now :P [11:07] http://openofficemouse.com/ [11:07] needs more buttons [11:07] >< [11:07] saw it earlier and >< [11:08] :) I almost can't hear the psu :) [11:08] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.161.250) left irc: Client Quit [11:08] otoh it only needs to provide something like 5W right now >< [11:08] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.161.250) joined ##slackware. [11:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.161.250) left irc: Client Quit [11:15] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-188.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Camarade_Tux, what are the parts sitting in if you have no case? just on the table? [11:16] my quess shoe box :D [11:16] crap, where are my scissors, I need them to turn the computer on :D [11:16] hiptobecubic: maybe on the floor :D [11:16] also, slackware has no mksquashfs? did i miss something [11:16] or maybe a show box, or, the motherboard box :P [11:16] How do I prevent fslackpkg from upgrading to lowest version of packages when I do upgrade-all when I have obviously newer version of package from other vendor ? [11:16] hiptobecubic: it's a userspace tool that comes with squashfs-tools I think [11:17] paul424, blacklist them in /etc/slackpkg until you want to go back to the standard repo [11:17] Camarade_Tux, slackware has no squashfs tools either? [11:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:17] no one has needed to make a squashfs before? That's crazy talk [11:18] thats not what I exaclty want [11:18] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [11:19] hiptobecubic: well, there is no squashfs in the slackware kernels ;) [11:19] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:19] paul424: well, and can't unselect by hand? [11:20] Blaguvest (n=Blaguves@h68n3-bot-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] hmmm can but so many packages ,... and can't just the slackpkg see that the verison number is higher that he is going to install, never mind the switch to prompt user when the package number is higher would be nice [11:22] no. [11:22] there is maybe going to be a wildard blacklist but for now, there is non [11:22] e [11:22] that's not even how the pkgtools work at all. [11:22] and ls /var/log/package/*_vb > list [11:23] the pkgtools don't know anything about version numbers [11:23] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-155.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:23] they see changes, not versions [11:24] antiwire: tthey could regex the version numbers and compare them. [11:24] best way to fail actually ;) [11:24] like autotools which thinks 2.4 > 2.10 [11:25] paul424: why don't you go ahead and try to write a 100% reliable regex for the devs then...as if this hasn't been thought of [11:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:25] I tried to make something like that, it's much harder than it sounds ;) [11:26] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-155.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:26] will the kernel tell me ' atl1 0000:02:00.0: eth0 link is up 100 Mbps full duplex' when I plug an ethernet cable in but there is nothing on the other end? [11:27] Camarade_Tux: if there is not other deivce on the other end to bring up link negotiation, no. [11:27] \o/ , oh, but it doesn't mean the OS booted :D [11:27] a cable with no other device is just an extension of the pins in the rj45 jack of the nic [11:27] s/booted/has booted/ [11:28] antiwire: yeah, that's what I thought but maybe there was a "sensor" like for jacks [11:28] Camarade_Tux, but how would it know the speed? [11:28] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] well, let's check [11:29] except I'm not sure the route is going to be ok [11:29] I think it is :) [11:29] jinjii (n=fabio@host221-125-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:30] lol, I can't remember the static IP I gave it :D [11:30] \o/ [11:30] it's up ^^ [11:30] nicely done [11:30] argh, no, it's me [11:30] lol. [11:31] I can't believe the DHCP server (I don't control it at all) gave me the same IP :P [11:31] I mean, one on wlan0 and one on eth0 ;) [11:32] it did that because of dhcpcd caches on your system. [11:32] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-188.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] ls -alh /etc/dhcpcd/ [11:33] it remembers the mac until the lease expires. whether youre connected or not. or i didn't get what you mean :p [11:33] ... [11:33] dhcpcd asks for the same IP [11:33] I mean, the dhcp on wlan0 gave me (almost?) the same IP as the one for the *other* computer, on eth0 [11:33] look in the path I just showed [11:34] packet dump your interface during dhcp negotiation and you'll see [11:36] woot, cpu running much cooler, /me is gonna keep the windows open :P [11:36] antiwire: yeah, I guess it does ;-) [11:38] Vince (n=Vince@94-193-185-234.zone7.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:38] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.67.172) joined ##slackware. [11:38] let's improve my qemu-fu now >< [11:40] my CPU cores run about the same no matter what i do, between 48 C & 54 C [11:41] well except for compiling then they warm up a little [11:41] RipVanWinkle: laptop here :) [11:43] hmmm, I can boot qemu from my /dev/sda without problem, let's install lilo again [11:43] http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7600/1.html hah [11:43] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.241) joined ##slackware. [11:44] sahko: \o/ [11:44] a friend of mine rejoiced telling me he upgrade his boobuntu and switched to ext4... xD [11:45] seems new ubuntu isnt that good [11:45] sahko: IMO Ubuntu hasn't been good since 6.06 [11:45] or to rephrase its worst than the previous one [11:45] i think ubuntu is a secret weapon run by microsoft [11:45] sahko: s/new // ? :) [11:46] Vince: is that the first version? [11:46] no must be 4.04 or something [11:46] 404 maybe :) [11:46] It's the first LTS version. [11:47] ah [11:47] cananybody help me cnfigure samba to view files shared by others in a network [11:47] \o/ [11:47] lilo -b /dev/sdb [11:47] :) [11:48] morning [11:48] morning [11:48] "morning" :) [11:49] evening ^^ [11:49] still not up [11:51] sahko: just finished reading that page, I can't believe there's FS Corruption in a stable release. [11:52] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [11:52] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik|off [11:54] it took like two months to test the slackware13 release candidates, how can anyone keep up with a 6-month period? can't they make that 9 or 12 months? [11:54] It needs to be. Well they've proved themselfs what happens when they release so often. [11:54] themselves* [11:54] or can't they make a major release every 12 months and a minor in-between? [11:55] because they have hundreds of developers, not 1 like slackware [11:55] thats worst for the most part [11:55] why do you think that's worse? [11:56] thrice`: RC and betas aren't meant for *developpers* to test [11:56] because the system turns out to be a mixture of a million different blends [11:57] tewmten: what you want spaz? [11:57] and slackware may have less manpower, it doesn't move slower imho [11:57] it moves incredibly slower [11:58] acidchild: geeze .. talk about late for the party [11:58] anyone know any good websites for searching public records to find people? in canada... [11:58] I don't see what improvement has been added to ubuntu recently [11:58] not ones that aren't "pay to use" [11:58] Dominian: haha yeah i know, i've been busy painting whiteboards around my loft :D [11:58] acidchild: hehe [11:58] geeky walls :D [11:59] Camarade_Tux: Me neither. [11:59] Especially, Kubuntu, I tried that, it makes KDE look really bad. [12:00] |CtrlAltCa| (n=fabio@83.225.159.58) left irc: "byez" [12:00] eye candy mostly [12:00] a recent change has been grub-legacy -> grub2, not sure it couldn't be done for slackware in less than a day (provided slackware used grub-legacy, and in less than two days without already using grub-legacy) [12:00] Dominian: http://webapps.easy2.com/cm2/flash/generic_outline_index.asp?page_id=35961121 [12:00] at least from what i can read and see [12:00] hehe [12:00] I'm quite happy with lilo. [12:01] I could never get on with Grub, and I still can't with Grub2 [12:01] Vince: Yep. Lilo does the job for me as well. [12:02] xovan (n=xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] acidchild: yeah I've been thinking about that for my daughter's room [12:02] the only thing I wanted in lilo was the pretty boot graphic :D [12:02] Dominian: it goes on great does a really large area too, 7x7 [12:02] hitest: on the Arch wiki it says that lilo has more chance of leaving the system unbootable. I really disagree, Grub has left me in the dust many times with an unbootable system. In 10 years lilo never has. [12:02] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-203-19.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:03] but almost 40$ a kit (two part mix) [12:03] i've never had problems with grub or lilo [12:03] acidchild: hehe [12:03] acidchild: we have textrued walls so I'd have to smooth an area out to paint [12:04] Dominian: prime it :) [12:04] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [12:04] you have to use the entire tin within 2hours though (yes i'm serious) [12:05] Vince: well, lilo tells you when you run it so you actually know if it failed, otoh grub doesn't, but grub lets you fix it at boot [12:05] Unless grub it's self doesn't work anymore ;) [12:06] ;) [12:06] like they say, "dont grub your own grave" [12:06] acidchild: priming isn't the issue.. textured walls wouldn't act very well as a dry erase board hehe [12:06] Dominian: paint your daughter. [12:06] :D [12:07] new meaning to staple it on your forhead. [12:07] hehe [12:07] hahaha, "unable to mount root fs" <- in qemu [12:07] Vince: Agreed. I've never had difficulty with lilo. Lilo mutli-boots OSs for me perfectly and never fails me. I ran Arch for about a week and found it very bleeding edge. I've now dropped Arch and FreeBSD. Slackware is it for me;) [12:08] that's why it didn't boot properly :) [12:08] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.192.9) joined ##slackware. [12:08] I was pretty sure that was going to be a problem : sda vs. hda :) [12:08] hitest: yes, Arch is definitely too cutting edge. Especially when I'm using the fglrx driver. [12:08] hi room, anyone been able to compile mediatomb ? [12:09] have you tried using a compiler, reaperIII ? they were born for this [12:10] ? [12:11] Vince: Yeah, I quickly tired of trying to keep Arch updated, patched (I was able to do that, but, what a PITA). I'm dual-booting Slackware 13.0 w -current on my main machine atm. Slackware is a joy to maintain:) [12:12] I'll have to load up -current at some point. Especially now they have kde 4.3 [12:12] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:12] But actually KDE 4.2 has been running great. [12:12] Not a single problem since I installed Slackware64 [12:12] can't wait till 4.4 comes out with the netbook optimizations [12:13] Vince: I think you will like -current. Current is stable as hell [12:13] Nick change: g88 -> g4tt0 [12:13] I used -current a few years back and I never had any problems. [12:13] http://www.recordsfinder.net/?hop=ucme24 [12:13] are these kinda websites scams? [12:15] that one might be but ancestry.com is legit. [12:15] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.67.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:15] do you not find kde 4.2 on slack64 to be too slow? :( [12:15] xovan: you have used it? [12:15] how was your results? [12:15] bleh [12:15] too slow as in ? works fine for me [12:16] or... hmmm [12:16] as in you click things and you dont immediately see window resize etc [12:16] there's a lag [12:16] 4.3.2 is faster even compared to 4.3.1 [12:16] any way to tell qemu to use sata/scsi for disks? [12:16] acidchild, I used it awhile back and got some decent results [12:16] DralaFi: No way, it flies. [12:16] xovan: can i pm you? [12:16] Vince, :( [12:17] sure [12:17] DralaFi: Never really had a problem with KDE 4.x at all, it was just Kubuntu. [12:18] Vince, well i have problems with slamd64 12.2 anyway. slow resizes etc. and disk IO is damn slow :( [12:18] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Sounds more like your system than KDE. [12:18] GArik (n=wesnoth@89-179-110-103.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:18] hello [12:18] Does the x86 build do the same? [12:18] just recently got a problem where if I burn a DVD using k3b, I can eject the drive, mount it again, and then I run an indexing shell script, and then i can no longer eject. have to be root to eject :( [12:19] DralaFi: which fraohic driver? [12:19] *graphic [12:19] Camarade_Tux, nvidia something version [12:19] ok [12:19] the newer the merrier [12:19] just checking it wasn't nv [12:19] I can't even use K3B, I've obviously removed a package it depended on and I can't be bothered to look into it yet. [12:20] Camarade_Tux, (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 190.36 Wed Sep 23 06:55:10 PDT 2009 [12:20] flambers (n=flambers@unaffiliated/flambers) joined ##slackware. [12:20] but disk IO has been an utter pain on Linux for the past year or so [12:21] which filesystem? [12:21] ext3/ext4 [12:21] probably due to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309 [12:21] though i've not had time to update from 2.6.30 with the CFQ patch [12:22] *31 even [12:22] How is ext4 btw, I switched to JFS a few years back and haven't looked back on the other FSs [12:23] DralaFi: well, I have the same problem here actually although I don't bother much [12:24] and I don't do that often so I'm not sure [12:24] but not that extreme maybe [12:25] its not as extreme anymore on 2.6.31 [12:26] well, I'm on .32 now, hard to say [12:26] it used to be really bad, you move some porn file and while that happens you cant even move the mouse for like 30 seconds or do anything else [12:27] hiptobecubic: bah bah bah, it's not booting [12:27] had that too :) [12:28] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:28] acidchild: are you married? [12:29] he wuvs jooo [12:30] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.192.9) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [12:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [12:35] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] xovan (n=xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] bah, I haven't turned the oven on, I turned something else on and some plastic just melt =/ [12:38] Mick_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:38] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] nixchix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:43] lol what [12:43] :D [12:43] nixchix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:43] josteint, it is dependent on your disk speed and how many packages you have installed, i believe [12:44] i have installed everything. i am using a msi wind u100 laptop. i am sure it is not among the fastest disks [12:44] or cpu [12:44] that is the problem [12:47] seems it wasn't my fault: lilo was broken, I umounted the disk, ejected it, remounted it, ran lilo again and now it's ok [12:48] yeah, works better when adding "root=/dev/hda2" to append [12:49] hiptobecubic: oh, and I forgot to write the fstab :D [12:49] smackdaddy (n=cx@76.199.50.237) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:49] Camarade_Tux, I TOLD YOU [12:49] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:49] oh, I have *no* fstab, I saw expecting a broken one at least [12:49] but pretty normal there is none [12:50] the default fstab gets written during setup [12:50] smackdaddy (n=cx@76.199.50.234) joined ##slackware. [12:50] if you installpkg everything, you have to make your own [12:50] yeah [12:51] . [12:52] btw, with a stock kernel, do sata drives use the sd** or the hd** scheme? [12:53] sd [12:53] sd* [12:53] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't get why it fails [12:58] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-195-3-224.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Cara_Magro (i=0@189.125.173.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] cristian (n=chatzill@pc-24-1-44-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] smackdaddy (n=cx@76.199.50.234) left irc: [13:03] josteint: the next release of slackpkg should be faster [13:03] _bruno (n=bruno@201-92-4-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-96-44.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:05] cristian (n=chatzill@pc-24-1-44-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.18/2009090618]" [13:06] alienBOB, what's changing? [13:07] So squashfs isn't so hard. It will be a real game changer when they manage to make it read write [13:07] now to figure aufs.... [13:08] smackd (n=cx@76.199.50.235) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:08] josteint: this is a thread on LQ that deals with this speed issue - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/boost-slackpkg-upgrade-all-performance-749412/ [13:11] grrrrrr, I'll maybe just end up using a screen [13:13] _bruno (n=bruno@201-92-4-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] jinjii (n=fabio@host221-125-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [13:14] _bruno (n=bruno@201-92-4-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Karu (n=alch@77-233-85-166.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:16] _bruno (n=bruno@201-92-4-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:16] _bruno (n=bruno@201-92-4-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:17] s0d0 (n=bggr@host86-175-233-155.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-181.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Camarade_Tux, still nothing? [13:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:21] hiptobecubic: no but I'm not very productive [13:21] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-96-44.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:21] I just decided to make it boot *completely* in qemu and see on real hardware afterwards [13:22] Camarade_Tux, ah. Yeah it took several rounds of qemu -> real computer -> qemu before i got mine to boot reliably [13:24] erg, what is going on? [13:24] oh, ok, my fault [13:27] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-157.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:27] yeah, I was pretty of that: when I edit the fstab, the changes aren't seen by qemu since it accesses /dev/sdb directly [13:27] and sync does nothing [13:27] gotta wait for xfs to flush everything [13:28] Camarade_Tux, i found that unmounting everytime i wanted to boot qemu was the only option [13:28] Camarade_Tux, otherwise crazy crazy things would happen [13:28] I had troubles when running lilo too [13:28] because of that, I would change lilo configuration and nothing would happen [13:29] `cd $ROOTDIR && lilo -v -C etc/lilo.conf && cd .. && umount $ROOTDIR` <-- ran that at least 20 times [13:29] gonna try to mount with -o sync [13:29] it syncs when you umount [13:30] with -o sync it should sync immediately... but maybe not because of xfs [13:30] BAH! [13:31] anyone have reasonable python-fu? [13:31] hiptobecubic: \o/ [13:31] I remember reading a quick python one-liner to get the first line of a text file, but can't find the reference anymore [13:31] echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches [13:31] hiptobecubic: ^^ that syncs ;) [13:31] should i wipe off my ubuntu 9.10 for slack 13.0 which has no binary repository online? [13:31] also true [13:32] dios_mio: there _are_ slackware binary repositories online, but they're unsupported [13:32] i didnt know that alison [13:32] unsupported as in "not officially supported by ##slackware) [13:32] " [13:32] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:33] heh [13:33] hah [13:33] os.system('head -n 1 file.txt') [13:33] mancha, lol [13:33] well, there's that :) I was hoping for more of staying within python [13:33] there's no os.system() [13:35] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] CallMe_JC (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-157.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Sys.command ftw! :) [13:35] os.execv(..)? [13:35] ::execve() ? [13:35] \o/ [13:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:36] ::execve(); ? (don't forget semi-colon) [13:36] semicolon not needed in python [13:36] and what for a default root password? [13:36] semicolon is the bestest! [13:36] no need for stinky forced tab-indentation [13:36] :P [13:37] not quite - database options are kept outside of programs, so need to get the db type (like mysql), user, pass to access database [13:37] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.238.156) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Action: Camarade_Tux really hates python [13:38] Action: alisonken1home kinda likes python :) [13:38] bah! [13:38] beats perl [13:38] its just your weird ocalm fetish [13:38] (not to start a flame war or anything) [13:38] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [13:38] perl sucks [13:38] Hello. I'm having a little memory failure. Does anyone know the location of the mouse configuration file? On my system, it usually has one line that's commented out. Something like #mouse = imps2. I need to remove the comment to get the touchpad click on my laptop to work. [13:39] Action: slackytude grabs some asbestos underwear [13:39] python would be great with ; [13:39] ajna: which version of slackware? [13:39] 13.0 32but [13:39] slackytude: :) [13:39] i love python [13:39] Camarade_Tux, :P [13:39] slackytude: ocaml, repeat, ocaml [13:39] /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse is what you might be thinking of [13:39] ajna: been replaced with udev rules [13:39] DralaFi, python doesn't need ; [13:40] Camarade_Tux, ocaml whatevar [13:40] ocaml doesn't either [13:40] slackytude: :) [13:40] That's the file I'm looking for. Thanks, alisonkenlhome. [13:40] I just started playing around with turbogears [13:40] Action: hitest starts on his walk..bbl [13:40] its nifty [13:40] I'll check out the udev rules too. [13:40] hiptobecubic, i dont care if it *needs* it - just ; is the best and i'm right and you know it ;) :P and ; is the best. [13:40] anyway, i need to leave [13:41] i provide the help and alison gets the thanks (life's not fair...) :P [13:41] DralaFi, you can use ; in python if you want [13:41] DralaFi, you just don't have to [13:41] ah, dont tell him [13:41] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-195-3-224.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] Id hate to see a python script with a lot of ; [13:42] Nick change: CallMe_JC -> EasyTUX [13:42] s/ with a lot of ;// [13:43] Camarade_Tux: why do you hate Python? [13:43] found it: "import fileinput \n for line in fileinput("path/file"): \n\t print line [13:43] " [13:43] python is great, it serves as a reminder of how shitty scripting languages can get and reminds me why i like perl [13:43] ok - ends up being a 3 liner :) [13:44] :> [13:44] perl is great - it reminds me of why I prefer spaghetti as food :) [13:44] i don't like Perl syntax, ie: $ @ % and so forth [13:44] spaghetti is great, it reminds me of why i like hitchcock movies [13:44] reminds me of spices for a recipe [13:45] no, i don't think perl is spaghetti code!@# [13:45] :D [13:45] though sometimes it can become write-only [13:45] $ref vs @list vs %hash [13:45] perl is write-only code [13:45] you know what i hate [13:45] alisonken1home, thats cat in python? [13:46] the idea of the perl one-liner as some kind of badge of skill [13:46] one thing i did like about Perl was the interactive debugger [13:46] hiptobecubic, yeah [13:46] pi31415: because it has weak^no typing, is indent-based, has a complicated syntax (too many syntax kludges), is pretty slow, has a non-optimal garbage collector, errors at runtime when it could error at compile-time... [13:46] these days I do a lot more printf debugging [13:46] hiptobecubic, get that in any language tho [13:46] slackytude: no - it iterates over a text file without going through the manual open file, read file, parse line, close line [13:46] pi31415: python logging module - thumbs ub [13:46] up [13:46] camarade_tux: imho the lack of typing is an advantage [13:47] alisonken1home, should do that same for stdin Id say [13:47] Thanks again alisonkenlhome and mancha. bye. [13:47] alisonken1home: I am not using python these days [13:47] slackytude: yep - works with text files, binary files, and stdin [13:47] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.238.156) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:47] pi31415: which programming language do you know? [13:47] alisonken1home, so its more like less [13:47] hiptobecubic: working well :) [13:47] Camarade_Tux, lack of typing is absolutely a feature in a prototype language [13:47] I remember running into a problem with the Python logging module and the IRC channel said something like "Nobody really uses that module anyway" [13:47] I guess various web frameworks implement their own logging modules [13:47] hiptobecubic: "prototype language"? [13:48] Camarade_Tux, languages people use to throw together an idea and get proof of concept [13:48] pi31415, ha. I asked #java recently is implementing cloneable was the right thing to do [13:48] s/is/if [13:48] hiptobecubic: oh, yeah, and I agree [13:48] IE not C/C++ [13:48] Camarade_Tux: I have used many languages, but I have spent most of my time in C, PHP, and Javascript [13:48] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Connection timed out [13:48] now, I don't think people should use scripting languages for bigger projects [13:48] pi31415: ocaml? haskell? *ml? [13:48] no, not haskell [13:49] Camarade_Tux, I think there are a lot of big projects that should use them .. WITH another language [13:49] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:49] I tried ocaml in the late 90's but do not remember anything [13:49] pi31415, probably for the best [13:49] there is no reason to have a 10 million mile-an-hour module that sits and waits for user input [13:49] well, it has strong and static typing and type-inference: I never declare any type in ocaml but I have static typing and avoid unsafe runtime casts [13:50] for instance [13:50] tux (n=tux@79.119.175.201) joined ##slackware. [13:50] also, in ocaml, typing actually helps [13:50] I have written real programs in forth, tcl, and scheme [13:50] the compiler can tell you there's a type error [13:50] in python, it would fail.... at runtime [13:50] slackytude: one way of looking at it [13:50] The last real anything i had to write was in perl. What a fucking disaster that project was. [13:51] Camarade_Tux: I have not noticed it help me that much [13:51] Camarade_Tux, you're comparing a compiled language to an interpreted one [13:51] which means it may fail during a space flight or whatever, but with stronger typing, it would have been caught at compile-time [13:51] the whole point of the interpreted one is that you don't have to compile it in advance [13:51] Camarade_Tux: ie: if I go from C and Java to TCL and Javascript, I like losing all the scaffolding [13:51] hiptobecubic: yeah, sure, but compiling _usually_ provides more safety [13:51] thats why C is so safe [13:51] pi31415: it's maybe a bit hard at first but it's really great [13:52] slackytude: :) [13:52] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:52] ada [13:52] slackytude: *_usually_* [13:52] Camarade_Tux, sure, but it's not always want you want. It's silly to argue that compiling makes a language better compared to some other language that relies on 'not' being compiled [13:52] pi31415: you can move code around and if it still compiles, chances are it works as well as it used to [13:52] hiptobecubic: it is often an artificial distinction [13:52] (pi31415: in python you may be hit with an indentation problem ><) [13:52] I haven't seen too many programs that sport an ocaml scripting interface ;) [13:53] hiptobecubic: for example, javascript is typically interpreted but it can be compiled [13:53] pi31415: not really, types are really strong [13:53] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:53] you usually capsule that in a try-except, tho, and have the exception travel upwards with a nice stacktrace, and the interpreter keeps running [13:53] pi31415: ATS, for instance, it can sometimes check you are not trying to access an array out of its bound *at* *compile* *time* [13:53] like, in any decent python framework [13:53] pi31415, sure, you can 'compile' python down to byte-code also, but you still need a python interpreter to run it. it's not a stand-alone as i understand it [13:54] hiptobecubic: I know ocaml code with #!/path/to/ocamlrun ;-) [13:54] at the beginning of the file that is ;) [13:54] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [13:54] hiptobecubic: even C is not standalone, it depends on a runtime [13:54] god doesn't like me [13:54] he removed my /usr/share/vim directory [13:54] well it was me actually [13:55] I acknowledge python has uses but I don't think it (or any other scripting language) should be used for bigger projects because it makes it easier to have bugs [13:55] but i have to blame someone [13:55] reinstall vim :) [13:55] thrice`: i did :( [13:55] like yast in suse, it's in perl and I can make it fail whenever I want [13:55] so ? problem? [13:55] of course you kept your config elsewhere, outside of /usr/share [13:55] thrice`: gvim doesn'thave menus and toolbars etc... [13:55] Camarade_Tux, i'm not sure i agree with that. I think it's more likely that those easier languages will have a crappy beginner working in them such as myself and thus be buggier [13:55] deco: have you run it from console? [13:56] thrice`: and that directory doesn't get popluated [13:56] Camarade_Tux: let me try [13:56] acquiesce (n=dkkfjgjk@212.183.134.210) joined ##slackware. [13:56] deco, you did "upgradepkg --reinstall /mount/point/ap/vim*.txz" ? [13:56] Camarade_Tux: nope doesn't look complete [13:56] Camarade_Tux, not really, testing is the pretty much only thing that can reduce bugs. you can have bad code in any language [13:56] (and gvim) [13:56] hiptobecubic: in ocaml, you can't segfault, do you see the security implication? [13:56] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] in python you can't either but programs run much slower [13:56] thrice`: i didn't do that [13:56] deco, reinstall gvim too [13:57] thrice`: i did both [13:57] slackytude: but what if the compiler *reduces* the number of bugs? [13:57] how did you reinstall, then? [13:57] deco: anything written on console? [13:57] thrice`: slackpkg install vim gvim [13:57] deco: :set guioptions+=T [13:57] Camarade_Tux: nothing [13:57] why install, if they were already installed? [13:57] same for m [13:58] s/reduces the number of bugs/lowers the number of bugs/ [13:58] thrice`: it was 1am :P [13:58] Camarade_Tux, why not have the compiler optimize it for parallel processing as well? I hear the Itanium does that really well [13:58] slackytude: try haskell :D [13:58] slackpkg part of slapt-get ? [13:59] deco, un-install /var/log/packages/*vim* and install again [13:59] acquiesce, no [13:59] Camarade_Tux, http://caml.inria.fr/pub/ml-archives/caml-list/2007/11/e138f61a4284b6ce1f3e3674903188bd.en.html :D [13:59] or openmp actually [13:59] pretty nice one-liner ;) [13:59] thrice`: ok thanks gonna do that [13:59] hiptobecubic: it's using C to communicate with the OS, it's easy to crash with that ;-) [14:00] hiptobecubic: he, hadn't looked precisely at it ;p [14:00] Camarade_Tux, so can ocaml not do that natively? [14:00] hiptobecubic: it's OS dependant and the only way to communicate with the linux api is to use C [14:00] Camarade_Tux: If the source in Java is 20 pages long and the source in Script is 1 page long, I know which I would rather debug [14:01] every language will do that [14:01] pi31415: the ocaml one which is 3 to 5 lines ? [14:01] I am boycotting ocaml [14:01] or less [14:01] lol, why? [14:01] pi31415, why? [14:01] Camarade_Tux: because you said it too many times [14:01] hahaha :P [14:01] lol [14:02] I'm only using it as a counter-example ;) [14:02] now, there is two of us then [14:02] ^^ [14:02] thrice`: thanks it worked!!!!! :D [14:03] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] if I ever encounter a project that needs something else than python, I shall surely give ocaml a look [14:03] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:03] nice PM jeev. my answer is still no [14:03] like, when I need to do some control software for my Mr Fusion [14:03] python to native code: http://pyastra.sourceforge.net/ [14:03] pi31415, lol? [14:03] btw, an example of a big project in ocaml, the xen hypervisor :P [14:04] javascript to native code: http://code.google.com/p/v8/ [14:04] pi31415: that's JIT ;-) [14:04] and squirrelfish extreme/nitro ftw! [14:05] haha [14:05] Camarade_Tux: not strictly [14:05] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.192.9) joined ##slackware. [14:05] pi31415: that's the part where native code comes frmo [14:05] *from [14:06] Camarade_Tux: for example, parts of the v8 runtime are native code but were compiled from javascript at build time [14:06] adrien@nabucho:~% uname -a [14:06] Linux nabucho 2.6.29.6 #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 11:58:18 CDT 2009 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [14:06] \o/ [14:06] nice [14:06] pi31415: weird [14:06] Nick change: Instained_Atom -> Epigrammaticus [14:06] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] pi31415: any link? I'd like to read more on that [14:06] OMG [14:06] slackytude: :) [14:06] nix_chix0r: :) [14:06] y0 nix_chix0r [14:07] gotta go now [14:07] see ya [14:07] hi Camarade_Tux dear:) [14:07] bai Camarade_Tux [14:07] free ram: 3423760 [14:07] nix_chix0r: ^^ [14:07] I'll be back soon, I need to buy some food [14:07] slackytude, i have slackware now <3 [14:07] crap,I'm really late [14:07] gogo [14:07] tux (n=tux@79.119.175.201) left irc: "Leaving" [14:08] fwc (i=0@cpe-204-210-154-184.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:09] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pnillxmkkvtwtgho) left irc: "leaving" [14:09] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-evzfxjsaoukwueyx) joined ##slackware. [14:09] nix_chix0r, nice ^-^ [14:10] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host188-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [14:11] samba_ (i=75f07c01@gateway/web/freenode/x-vhjofiuogqgvfndu) left irc: "Page closed" [14:14] i need a montblanc refill [14:14] aren't you guys in germany [14:14] shizer [14:14] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] montblanc? [14:15] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:15] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] acquiesce (n=dkkfjgjk@212.183.134.210) left irc: "Leaving" [14:16] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [14:17] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.154.148) left irc: "Leaving" [14:18] "This is because the first context needs to create the built-in objects and parse the built-in JavaScript code while subsequent contexts only have to create the built-in objects for their context. With the V8 snapshot feature (activated with build option snapshot=yes, which is the default) the time spent creating the first context will be highly optimized as a snapshot includes a serialized... [14:18] ...heap which contains already compiled code for the built-in JavaScript code. " [14:18] http://code.google.com/apis/v8/embed.html [14:18] best I could find, I must have heard it more clearly in a video [14:18] yea slackytude [14:19] fwc (i=0@cpe-204-210-154-184.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-159-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:21] azarion (i=anahel@yunix.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:21] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [14:21] "Some standard libraries are written in Javascript. So to package everything in one executable, they translate them to big C arrays containing each char and compile that. Sounds to me like something others could reuse to build their own executables from Javascript, all bundled with V8." [14:21] http://offthelip.org/?p=113 [14:21] slackytude http://www.pen101.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/img_base/Montblanc-Starwalker-Rubberized-Fine-Liner.jpg [14:21] jeev, ah [14:22] jeev, I thought you meant something to drink [14:22] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: [14:22] i only drink water [14:22] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [14:22] jeev, never heard of montblanc before. my pens are all pretty cheapish [14:22] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.94.189) left irc: "brb" [14:23] really ? [14:23] damn [14:23] you say they are based in Germany? [14:27] yea [14:28] tom__ (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [14:30] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.150) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [14:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:33] w3b3r (n=tomasz@dynamic-78-8-59-152.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:35] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [14:36] :) [14:36] jeev: pen? [14:36] oh, ok [14:36] and I'm in Russia, not France, sorry :D [14:37] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:37] pi31415: thanks [14:37] fredoslack: :) [14:37] Re Camarade_Tux =) [14:38] _bruno (n=bruno@201-92-4-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:41] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@79.114.56.18) joined ##slackware. [14:43] I have recently switched to Slackware (a long-time Debian user) and have a question regarding SlackBuilds - is there an advantage to compiling your own packages vs installing a pre-prepared package? I ask because I notice both packages and buildscripts on alienBob's site [14:43] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.209.151) joined ##slackware. [14:43] The_Seeker: depends if you trust the binary packages [14:43] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] alienB0B's are pretty good ;) [14:44] we need a canned answer for that question gets asked way too many times [14:44] The_Seeker: The only supported slackware binary packages are part of the official tree. Slackbuilds are the unofficial official 3rd party packages [14:44] slacky.eu, linuxpackages.net... aren't great [14:44] slackbuilds.org is trustworthy too [14:44] Aren't supported here either [14:44] The_Seeker, SBo stuff is usually multi-arch. also, some binary stuff can be pretty badly packaged. SBo is a trusted source. altho, its probably safe to uses alienBOB 's stuff ^-^ [14:44] (slacky.eu) [14:45] I've compiled all my all my wanted packages from SBo - it's only VLC that I'm looking to install now [14:45] linuxpackages.net is like dirty virus infeected warez (best stay away from them) [14:45] -all my [14:45] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:45] no shame in getting VLC from alienBOB [14:45] but I thought it was going to be in SBo anyway [14:46] alienBOB's right when he says the VLC script is a monster [14:46] yeah, I heard [14:46] SBo does not have VLC at the moment [14:46] another reason to use mplayer, imho [14:47] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:47] doh, I broke the root account password >< [14:48] slackytude: maybe I'll grab smplayer from SBo [14:48] slackytude: makes it a little easier to watch DVDs [14:48] The_Seeker, need the codec pack too [14:48] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5457c96e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [14:48] oh >< [14:49] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@79.114.56.18) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [14:49] slackytude: mplayer-codecs [14:49] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-159-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:49] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-159-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:49] The_Seeker, yeah [14:49] I'm really enjoying Slackware - after using Debian for 5 years, I needed a change [14:50] in the lasy few days I feel as if I've regained control of my computer [14:50] last* [14:50] heh ^-^ [14:50] tried slackware before? [14:50] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "IRC is just multiplayer notepad" [14:50] 9.1 was the last I think [14:50] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:51] my mouse would only move vertically so I threw a tantrum and re-installed Debian [14:51] heh [14:51] The_Seeker: I know what you mean about regaining control of the computer [14:52] doh, I used usermod -p A, but -p expects the *encrypted* password, not the cleartext one :D [14:52] The_Seeker: there is less crud to wade through [14:52] Camarade_Tux, wtf are you doing? [14:52] pi31415: I've learnt quite a bit since I've installed Slack [14:52] slackytude: crap :) [14:52] I thought I knew a lot already [14:52] The_Seeker: the same minimalist experience that made DOS and BSD charming [14:52] Camarade_Tux, well, use python instead [14:53] slackytude: hahaha :P [14:53] slackytude: reminds me I have to removepkg it [14:53] :o [14:53] you fool! [14:53] ^^ [14:53] my box sounds like a jet engine with alienBob's VLC script running [14:53] gotta love it [14:53] I love turning my computer on and off with a pair of scissors :D [14:53] been going for around 15 mins now [14:54] The_Seeker: I'm about to compile gcc, should be even worse ;) [14:54] lol comrad [14:54] I love doing that at work. start sbopkg and watch them cycles burn. [14:54] Camarade_Tux: keep an extinguisher at the ready [14:54] tux_boy (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [14:55] i've been playing with BasLinux, a distribution that comes on two floppies. Disk 1 is the system. Disk 2 is X. It is based on Slackware 4.0 [14:55] The_Seeker: new machine, I'm "benchmarking" it, I hope it'll stay pretty cool :) [14:55] slackytude: I discovered sbopkg recently - great little tool [14:55] The_Seeker, it is [14:55] pi31415, what kernel? [14:55] (uses busybox and xvesa) [14:55] slackytude: haven't been that impressed since the AdminMenu on Libranet :P [14:55] a floppy for X is kinda impressive [14:56] wertik|off (n=wertik@95-24-46-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] slackytude : 2.2.26 [14:58] whoa [14:58] one thing I'm still getting used to is not always craving the latest version of a given package - running Debian Sid will do that to you [14:58] bah, I'm stupid >< [14:58] The_Seeker, what for? [14:58] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Camarade_Tux, back from food shoppin [14:59] jiraia (n=jiraia@2406:a000:f0ff:ffff:0:0:0:25) joined ##slackware. [14:59] lenny is stable, sid is unstable, not sure what testing is called now [14:59] slackytude: well, I figure as I'm new to Slackware I'll stay with the stable branch, then maybe switch to current when I'm more settled in [14:59] testing is squeeze [14:59] niels_horn (n=niels@189.106.163.195) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:00] The_Seeker: you can compile newer versions using the slackbuilds provided in the source/ folder [15:00] testing is whatever the next stable release is going to be [15:00] just be sure nothing depends specifically on the current version [15:00] Camarade_Tux: source folder? [15:00] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:01] The_Seeker, yeah, like sbo allows you to edit the slackbuild. you can change the version and source. sbopkg lets you keep both slackbuilds, so its pretty easy to switch between them too [15:01] slackytude: I see [15:01] redtricycle (n=redtricy@user-64-9-235-84.googlewifi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:01] The_Seeker: on a slackware mirror/cd/dvd/whatever installer, you have the source/ folder which contains everything required to build the packages that come with slackware [15:02] it's next to the slackware/, usb-and-pxe-installers, extra, pasture... ones [15:02] Camarade_Tux: very handy [15:02] yup :) [15:02] 1 2 3 4 5 [15:02] Camarade_Tux: ah yes - I remember looking in the /extra dir [15:02] I just tried to type a capital five [15:03] hahaha ^^ [15:03] and there is of course, slackpkg [15:03] NUMJOB=" -j 4 " <- that's so low :D [15:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:03] which makes staying in sync with -current easy as well [15:03] slackytude: slackpkg has been great [15:03] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:03] slackytude: that's how I plan to move to current when I'm ready [15:03] Action: slackytude nods [15:04] i was ready last night [15:04] i sure like slackpkg :) [15:04] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] my VLC has finished compiling - took around 30 min [15:04] slackytude: slackpkg reminds me of 'apt-get dist-upgrade' [15:05] well, the upgrade-all command does anyway [15:05] it is in a way. if you keep in sync with your original way, you'll just get the security patches, tho [15:06] gcc takes so long to extract, maybe I should extract it and compile it on a ramdisk :) [15:08] that helps [15:08] need /tmp on ram, too [15:09] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] the cpu of the computer which is compiling gcc is cooler than this cpu which is idle :D [15:10] The_Seeker: Out of interest why did you compile VLC? There are binary packages available? [15:10] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Vince: just to know that it was me that compiled it [15:10] oh crap, this computer is too fast :D [15:10] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.150) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Vince: feel I'll learn more that way [15:11] hi, anybody here knows about good comics websites? [15:11] Makes sense [15:11] www.dilbert.com [15:11] sinfest.net, glitchtown.com? [15:11] sinfest <3 [15:11] glitchtown isn't update anymore but it haz archives [15:11] oh, and phdcomics.net ;) [15:12] userfiendly.org [15:12] userfriendly [15:12] only interesting if you're doing or if you've done higher-level studies imho [15:12] nah, phdcomics is fun [15:12] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:12] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:13] slackytude: but funnier if you are like the people depicted ;-) [15:13] heh [15:13] thieusoai (n=thieusoa@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left ##slackware. [15:13] not phdcomics.net but phdcomics.com btw [15:13] http://www.pvponline.com/ [15:13] oh thanks :) [15:13] not as good as it used to be tho [15:14] and of course http://xkcd.com/ [15:14] slackytude: well, it's 12 years old ;) [15:14] really? [15:14] oh i was trying to remember that one too, great :) [15:14] or more :P [15:15] 10/27/1997 [15:15] Action: slackytude is getting old [15:15] ^^ [15:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:16] bbl [15:16] dogsoul (i=doggy@67.159.18.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] How have unionfs and aufs not made it into the kernel yet? [15:17] aufs? it hasn't [15:17] afaik [15:17] I thought unionfs was [15:17] I'm searching for a very lightweight CPUs current load display, in a kind of what "pavumeter" does for sound style... Do you know some ? [15:17] conky? [15:18] hiptobecubic: read http://lwn.net/Articles/324291/ and http://lwn.net/Articles/327738/ ? [15:18] conky++ [15:18] or gsomething [15:18] gkrellm [15:20] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) joined ##slackware. [15:20] lol [15:20] look at #python [15:20] http://pound-python.org/ [15:21] "Aufs consists of about 20,000 lines of dense, unreadable, uncommented code" [15:21] :D [15:21] ah, the best kind of code [15:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] slackytude: [15:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:24] slackytude: BAH! [15:28] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.192.9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:29] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:29] I think this new computer can compile gcc in 15 minutes :) [15:30] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] StevenR (n=foo@user-514d3f27.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Camarade_Tux: :o [15:33] that's scary :P [15:33] Camarade_Tux: indeed [15:33] Camarade_Tux: now where's my vimrc! [15:33] :P [15:34] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:34] deco: he, forgot, just a sec ;) [15:34] Camarade_Tux, nice reading :) [15:34] Camarade_Tux: \o. [15:34] yeah, lwn.net is great :) [15:35] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [15:36] deco: http://pers.yaxm.org/temp/vimrc [15:36] is there a way i can checck when i installed my slackware? [15:36] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:36] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:36] hm, check date on /etc/slackware-version ? [15:37] no, it's not the good one [15:37] -rw-r--r-- 1 root 21 2009-08-26 05:23 /etc/slackware-version [15:37] and I installed on yesterday [15:38] there is a file but I can't remember which one >< [15:39] arielg (n=ari@host76.190-139-163.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [15:39] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]" [15:40] siimo: check /var/log/packages [15:40] dates on them filez.. [15:41] Camarade_Tux, what is it? [15:41] hiptobecubic: what is what? [15:41] cool [15:41] must be right [15:41] aug 28 [15:41] your computer [15:42] Panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:42] because i have no phone [15:42] hiptobecubic: Phenom II X4 955, 3.2GHz, quad-core [15:42] oh yummy [15:42] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.241) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:42] yeah ^^ [15:42] i'm suddenly in the market for a (goonoo)/linux address book [15:42] expanding .xz files is IO-bound :D [15:42] or phone number case, even [15:43] Camarade_Tux, is that what you've been assembling on the floor? [15:43] yeah ^^ [15:43] Camarade_Tux, how much to put it together? [15:43] those boys are getting the nine o'clock train, !! I'd better get the shower! [15:43] hiptobecubic: < 400 euros [15:43] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.52.10) joined ##slackware. [15:44] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" [15:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Action: chee comes on to you [15:44] Action: hiptobecubic wipes it off [15:45] ahaha :D [15:45] HEYYYOOOO [15:45] i laughed aloud [15:45] no that's gross. lol [15:45] :D [15:45] :D [15:45] i wish there was an emoticon to express the way i say things sometimes [15:46] there, it's call a-z [15:46] |mn [15:46] who has upgraded to kde 4.3.3 so far? [15:46] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:46] antiwire, a-z doesn't help to represent ones tone [15:47] unless i were to write in /me all of the time, perhaps [15:47] yeah don't do that [15:48] /W/win 7 [15:48] bleh [15:48] antiwire: I've tried it in Arch, but not Slackware. [15:49] I'm running it now under Slackware [15:49] Action: chee raises the index finger of his left, to point at the sky, like a little girl making a point, and then speaks the next line of chat with a somber, but delicately amused timbre [15:49] I'll run it in Slackware at some point, I like how fast KDE is on Slack. [15:50] 4.2 is working brilliant at the moment. [15:50] what is slackware? [15:50] from what i understand, kde 4.3 is a bit more snappier than kde 4.2 [15:51] but thats for current. [15:51] i'm talking kde in general [15:52] I'd love to be using kde 4.3, but not -current. :| [15:52] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Client Quit [15:53] that's understandable [15:53] ananke: i have but its a home made KDE [15:54] antiwire*^ [15:54] I'll just stick with 4.2 for now. [15:54] It's stable and at the end of the day that's all I ask :) [15:55] niels_horn (n=niels@189.106.163.195) joined ##slackware. [15:56] fwiw, it annoys teh hell outa me when people try to talk to me when i'm asleep [15:59] the mail man just handed me a box which contains my new buttset. [15:59] rock on. [15:59] buttset? [16:00] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-159-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:00] http://www.datacomtools.com/catalog/ts44.htm [16:00] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Alas (n=demjanov@193.239.129.220) joined ##slackware. [16:01] antiwire, that looks impressive [16:01] antiwire, in a baby blue kind of way [16:02] haha mine is red and black [16:02] Alas (n=demjanov@193.239.129.220) left ##slackware. [16:02] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:04] ayone heard the Daft Punk Technologic song? [16:04] does anyone know if this is serious or a joke? http://openofficemouse.com/ [16:05] I mean look at it... [16:05] lol [16:05] http://openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html <--- even more silliness [16:06] hey absentminded|medics [16:06] hehe [16:06] er, Urchlay [16:06] Urchlay: I don't like it [16:07] it must be a joke [16:07] hey, anecdotal|sureties [16:07] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] metrofox: well yeah, it's an abomination, and probably needs to be dunked in holy water or something [16:07] it's so goofy I thought it might be a joke [16:07] anyone running current could you please check if you have this (http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3126/snapshot5y.png) wallpaper in kde? :) [16:08] john_dee: yeah, I have that one. [16:08] $80 for a fscking mouse? you gotta be kidding me [16:08] its not just any mouse [16:08] nice wallpaper ... [16:09] but to install kde for just one nice wallpaper ... naah. [16:09] I can see a lot of accidental mouse clicks with that mouse. :P [16:09] i know. [16:09] fire|bird: oh, sweet. could you upload it somewhere please? ^) i couldn't find it in kde's svn. hope it makes it into kde's set [16:09] dl the wallpaper only! [16:09] sahko: other than a few keystroke macros mapped as extra mouse buttons, yeah, it is [16:09] Action: winter is brilliant [16:09] john_dee: sure, sec. [16:09] fire|bird: yeah, and unlike a regular mouse, those accidental mouse clicks would be difficult to undo [16:09] Urchlay: yeah [16:10] That has got to be a joke. [16:10] it looks like a pain to use 8 hours a day [16:10] It's got to be, surely. [16:10] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: "Leaving." [16:10] Nick change: aiiiiiii -> xTz [16:10] I mean I once bought (for $20) an example of a mouse with too many buttons (like 9 of them IIRC), to prove a point to someone... [16:11] my point was "more buttons doesn't mean more useful" [16:11] (OTOH, apple goes too far in the other direction, a one-button mouse isn't enough) [16:12] Urchlay: agreed on both counts [16:12] I always buy The Microsoft Intellimouse 5 button. [16:12] mm, netflix started shipping ps3 discs [16:12] then again, can't you add a 2btn + wheel usb mouse and it work fine on mac? [16:12] I hate it when people don't have side buttons now lol [16:13] nyRednek: you can. You just can't buy one from Apple, and you can't swap the mouse buttons in OSX if you happen to be left-handed [16:13] you call boobs "side-buttons" and women "people"? [16:13] when i had mice, i always would grab the cheapo mouse that had a switch [16:13] Vince: really? side buttons annoy me (not all that useful, too easy to hit by accident, yet hard to hit on purpose) [16:14] Urchlay: i'm left-handed and prefer a right-hand mouse [16:14] jg71: No I meant if I go to someones house and they don't have side buttons on their mouse, hence I said people. [16:14] well, two side buttons and a wheel is nice. but add more and it just gets too complicated [16:14] I'm left-handed and prefer a left-handed trakball (no mouse at all) [16:14] vince sure ;) [16:14] you know, a switch instead of a wheel...just pull it down to scroll [16:15] Urchlay: i really like a trackpoint, but i am stuck with a touchpad for now [16:16] I used to use a trackpoint for a desktop PC, 10+ hours/day, and liked it... until I wore out the rubber cover and all 3 spares [16:17] Urchlay: that's when you order another(if you can find one) [16:17] touchpads suck in the extreme, unless you're talking about a precision wacom tablet to be used for drawing (are those even really touchpads though?) [16:17] john_dee: http://imagebin.org/70864 [16:18] nyRednek: I prefer not to use a piece of equipment that wears out & needs replacing every 3 to 6 months [16:18] fire|bird: nice colours, you take that? [16:19] thanks fire|bird [16:19] acidchild: no, it's included in kde [16:19] jg71: I'll be sure to tell my Fiance about that one. BTW [16:19] fire|bird: oh lol [16:19] :/ [16:19] acidchild: I wish I had. :P [16:19] its abit boring though. [16:21] Urchlay: try the new one, it seems a bit more rugged(trackpoint keyboard) [16:21] night all :) [16:21] fire|bird: oh, joy. this wall even makes xp bearable ^) thanks. u're the man. i'd buy you a beer if you weren't on the other side of the planet %) [16:23] Urchlay: also, you can get more caps [16:23] Camarade_Tux: Night [16:24] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: "leaving" [16:26] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:27] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] when on battery power and the screen saver activates, kde4 notifies me that it is about to suspend [16:27] I looked in the power settings and it does not appear to be configured to suspend [16:30] make a bug report [16:30] ah, the Powersave profile says When the system is idle for more than 15 minutes, Suspend [16:31] I will change that to Do Nothing [16:33] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Nick change: panzer -> Panzer [16:33] Karu (n=alch@77-233-85-166.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [16:36] Hello. I need some guidance. I'm trying to find a domain name for my project. [16:36] The purpose of the project has to do with the page generation. [16:36] Will you find something short and good domain name? [16:36] What I came up with was (takeme.com) & (randomme.com) but they were already occupied. [16:36] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] ezpage ezpager [16:37] fuckme.net is for sale [16:37] ugh...what the heck [16:37] What does ez stand for? [16:37] i used sbopkg [16:37] easy [16:37] tried to install htop [16:37] and it deleted my root directory [16:37] eek. [16:37] wtf? [16:38] SERIOUSLY [16:38] Thanks for the proposal. [16:38] someone want to check the htop script? [16:38] I cant do anything with my system hosed [16:38] the slackbuild looked fine...I wonder if there was a typo in the slackbuild [16:39] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Very confused, is this a bug on sbopkg? [16:40] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] I used sbo for htop quite recent [16:40] I doubt its a failure in the script [16:41] right now, I suspect a pebkac [16:41] what's a pebkac? [16:41] if you dont know what pebkac is then it is pebkac [16:41] its a layer 8 problem [16:42] Well, can't start firefox to read up about it... [16:42] =/ [16:42] you mean it deleted your /root or your / [16:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] I'm just wondering what (whether user error or not) would cause sbopkg to delete my /? [16:43] It tried to download htop...then it started scanning through my entire man directory [16:43] o_O [16:43] where did you download it? [16:43] redtricycle, #sbopkg [16:44] redtricycle: maybe 'rm -rf /' in a script [16:44] Ican't join #sbopkg in this state [16:44] Oh wait, I can [16:44] winter, weren't you already warned for typing that? [16:44] thrice`: i'm doing in everyday, for sport [16:45] very self developing. [16:45] there's a great chance of being banned for it, especially after you've already been warned [16:45] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: "trall" [16:45] so ban [16:46] i dont car really. [16:47] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:49] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:50] i just built htop-0.8.3 by hand and no problems (did not use sbo's slackbuild) the Makefile even supports DESTDIR so i am going to make a package out of it [16:50] just build htop with sbopkg, no issue [16:52] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] too late, already built, packaged & installed [16:52] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-138-242.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [16:53] delt0r (n=delt0r@80-123-56-27.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] sonny boy i was rolling my own packages before SBO was a gleam in a slacker's eye [16:54] meh [16:54] PULSE (n=PULSE@host217-44-192-4.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] can i be your friend? [16:55] john_dee (n=id@95-29-11-151.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [16:55] PULSE (n=PULSE@host217-44-192-4.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:56] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:56] Madeline Albright was around before Eliza Dushku was a gleam her daddy's eye, but we know how that story ends. ;-) [16:57] lol [16:57] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] i wanna know who would win in mud wrestling, madeline albright or janet reno [16:57] redtricycle (n=redtricy@user-64-9-235-84.googlewifi.com) left ##slackware. [16:57] my money's on the man: reno [16:57] You let me know. I can't watch. [16:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JgrBtn8XdU [16:57] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:57] Action: rworkman unsees that mental picutre. [16:57] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:58] rworkman: once something like that has been seen, can it really be unseen? :P [16:58] Unfortunately, no. [16:59] don't play coy with me, i know you like it! [16:59] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-181.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] im gonna send the xfce devs to military boot camp [17:01] mancha: lol, how come? [17:01] mancha: they borked something ? [17:01] because you don't use am/pm on a 24 hour clock [17:02] :O [17:02] that's just horrible [17:03] "sergeant et your men read to deploy at 1600 hrs, 1600 pm" :P [17:03] s/et/get [17:03] haha [17:04] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:06] GArik (n=wesnoth@89-179-110-103.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] mancha: Using the orage clock, I just set it to display hour and minute, so, like atm, it's 16:05, no pm/am or anything. [17:06] otoh, xfce is quite nice! [17:07] mancha: wrong usage :) [17:07] and no "hours" [17:07] right now PDT/PST is 1407 [17:07] not 1407 hours [17:08] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:08] there are people who would say "sixteen hundred hours" [17:08] sometimes i think alison just likes to argue with me... [17:08] quite possibly, [17:08] Action: CcSsNET dips back to another channel [17:09] nope - 21 years in Uncle Sams Canoe Club speaking on that part :) [17:09] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] the warter boys omit the hours [17:09] not only the water boys [17:09] but the folks who really carry the show...those in the sky use hours [17:10] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] you mean the boys that were late to the party? :) [17:11] "sergeant, get your men ready to deploy at 1600, that's 1600 in the pm" [17:11] Nick change: xTz -> aiiiiiii [17:11] Nick change: aiiiiiii -> xTz [17:11] Joe^ (i=1000@151.81.2.207) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Joe^ (i=1000@151.81.2.207) left ##slackware. [17:12] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-48-90.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [17:12] hmm, so alison, you're navy? [17:13] retired [17:13] cool. ever see combat? [17:13] Nick change: xTz -> aiiiiiii [17:13] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:13] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [17:13] cruised the gulf of omahn during desert shield, almost had a scud launch detect, but that was it [17:14] guys, when I use wicd in the laptop, do I need rc.inet* ? [17:14] cruised on what? [17:14] Kaapa, nah, let wicd do it [17:14] if you want to use wicd, then rc.inet1.conf can be left blank, but they do have to run [17:14] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] mancha: guided missile cruiser [17:15] USS Horne (CG30) and USS Gridley (CG22) [17:15] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [17:15] did you ever go through hormuz and get some "brave" iranian ships try to bug you? [17:15] thrice`: then just chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.inet* ? not even inet1? [17:16] just take the dhcp calls out of rc.ient1.conf [17:16] Kaapa: they need to run - otherwise you stay in runlevel 1 [17:16] what about rc.wireless? [17:16] why woudl you stay in runlevel1? [17:16] I've done a chmod -x to rc.inet1 on my laptop, and it works just fine [17:16] rc.inet* scripts are what bring up the rest of the daemons [17:17] wtf? [17:17] tux_boy (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] inet* brings the deamons?! [17:17] rc.inet1 is used for localhost - which is what's needed for X [17:17] since when? [17:17] sorry for being OT, i'll stop [17:17] alisonken1home, try it, you'll be surprised [17:18] rc.inet1 bring up the net interfaces, nothing more [17:18] rc.M brings up runlevel 2&3 stuff [17:18] hmmm - well, it's been a while since I went through the scripts [17:19] right - like I said, been a while [17:19] you seemed pretty confident in your recommendation fwiw :> [17:19] well, nothing like an old dog and all that :) [17:19] meh [17:20] btw i am not afan of rc.inet1 or rc.wireless [17:20] I don't think anyone is [17:20] after nuking elvis, i nuke those [17:20] which is why wicd is great ^-^ [17:21] sure, but readable init scripts aren't a bad thing either. rc.inet1 is unreadable to my noob-skills, still [17:21] pretty readable to me, even when I first started [17:21] I imagine it's worse for someone who HASN'T used slackware for 5 years :) [17:22] i ended up coding my own set of networking scripts (both wired and wireless) some time ago...i'veused them ever since [17:22] the wpasupplicant stuff is worse. plain old rc.inet1 is ok [17:22] not to be rude, but you just mentioned that it was responsible for bringing up system daemons. perhaps it's not :) [17:22] someone who's used to *buntu? :) [17:22] but I added my own network startup scipts as well in rc.local [17:22] back on 11 or so [17:23] i am actually quite proud of my wpa_supplicant scripts. i've yet to be in a place where the wireless doesn't work [17:23] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-48-90.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] and i do some funky stuff, cert auth, etc [17:23] I haven't had to use wpa_supplicant or rc.wireless by hand. rc.inet1 is great though [17:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever."). [17:24] I go to bed now, see ya :) [17:24] its hardly worth it. if its a laptop = wicd. for PC's just using inet1 is usually enough [17:24] gn metrofox [17:24] Perforated (n=Perforat@137.28.229.223) joined ##slackware. [17:24] see ya slackytude [17:24] o/ [17:24] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.172.65) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:25] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:25] damn, i think i scared rworkman away with my mud wrestling imagery, come back! [17:26] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:27] mitigating factor was working on a python script for work with the kid looking over my shoulder wanting to play pingus [17:28] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:28] pingus? lol [17:28] <3 python scripts at work [17:28] slackie (n=x@213.63.200.24) joined ##slackware. [17:28] I just got to play with turbogears [17:29] its neat [17:29] especially since I can use the models I already made [17:31] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [17:31] turbogears? [17:32] Action: hiptobecubic googles [17:32] boooo. web dev. [17:32] its neat [17:32] whats wrong with web dev? [17:33] booo [17:33] whut? [17:33] Nick change: v3gard_ -> v3gard [17:34] it can even expose your api as json call [17:34] Action: fire|bird sticks a post-it note on hiptobecubic's forehead that says "Boooooo" [17:34] for REST clients [17:34] slackytude, boooooo [17:34] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.159) joined ##slackware. [17:34] comes with an async js framework as well [17:34] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.231) joined ##slackware. [17:34] for them AJAX things [17:34] fire|bird, what was that image you posted earlier? the sand dunes? did you take that? [17:34] slackytude, booooooo. trash. [17:34] hiptobecubic, any reason? [17:35] hiptobecubic: No, I didn't, it's a nice shot though. It's one of kde's wallpapers. [17:35] slackytude, no, not really. [17:35] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-153-18.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Perforated (n=Perforat@137.28.229.223) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew." [17:36] hiptobecubic, bah. troll! [17:37] nonsense. I legitimately dislike webdev [17:37] depends [17:37] but why do you dislike it [17:38] depends? depends on what? [17:38] what sort of webdev [17:38] I dislike it because the web is hideous and unreliable. [17:38] you mean users [17:38] jiraia (n=jiraia@2406:a000:f0ff:ffff:0:0:0:25) left irc: No route to host [17:39] w3b3r (n=tomasz@dynamic-78-8-59-152.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] no, i mean the web [17:40] for example, it's usually completely dependent on the delivery platform and not the content [17:41] and worse [17:41] It's only just starting recovery from being dependent on the browser you're using [17:42] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:43] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [17:43] oh haha. pingus is based on global warming :D i love it [17:47] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:48] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-157.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "*this => vda" [17:48] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]" [17:50] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Got some milk stuck in my teeth" [17:50] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-169-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] slackytude: there will likely never be a vlc SlackBuild in slackbuilds.org (just returnning from a night out, so the response is a bit delayed) [17:55] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:55] alienBOB, why's that? [17:58] hiptobecubic: the list of dependencies is too long, several of the dependencies need patches, and vlc needs patches to cope with some versions of the dependencies. No one will want to maintain that. [17:58] alienBOB, ah [17:58] I usually spend a day to figure out if everyting still works when I build a new vlc package [17:59] Meaning - pretty much *all* of a working day (includes compilation after compilation) [17:59] anyone played with slackintosh recently? [17:59] impy (n=impy@78-23-1-17.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [17:59] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] alienBOB, that's pretty terrible. although.. doesn't that mean you're already maintaining a build procedure? [18:01] ivan_ (n=ivan@166.99.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [18:02] nyRednek: few months ago.. its a bit behind [18:02] alienBOB: just installed VLC using your buildscript - worked a charm [18:02] alienBOB: thanks by the way [18:02] Dominian: yeah, i know [18:03] about to get my hands on an old powerbook [18:03] Dominian: i think an older 2.4-based system would work better anyways for the machine i'm getting [18:04] well slackintosh is at 12.1 [18:04] which iirc is 2.6 kernel by default [18:05] hiptobecubic: of course I am already maintaining a build procedure for vlc [18:05] Dominian: yeah, but either 11.x or 10.x is 2.4 based [18:05] But that will not go into slackbuilds.org, ever [18:05] It is not a script we like to see at slackbuilds.org [18:05] alienBOB, Because of the ugliness? [18:05] No [18:05] alienBOB: just so you know, the link in the script to download schroedinger doesn't work as the link is a 404 [18:05] It is not ugly. It's complex [18:06] heh [18:06] The_Seeker: I know, there is a problem with that url [18:06] alienBOB, odd, I remeber hearing a vlc build in #slackbuilds.I might be confusing things [18:07] alienBOB: it sure is a monster as you said - took around 30 min to compile on a dual core [18:07] hiptobecubic: IMO the only way to properly build VLC is all static libraries. Which is not the "Slackware way" or the "SlackBuilds.org" to build things (using dynamic libs) [18:07] slackytude: someone asked for it on the mailing list and it was quickly decided that such would never happen, with my script available already [18:07] I see [18:08] for those that use a wm only what pdf viewer do you guys use ? [18:08] xpdf? [18:08] epdfview [18:08] Vince (n=Vince@94-193-185-234.zone7.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:08] acroread ;-) [18:09] hiptobecubic: i'm using that but scrollwheel doesn't work in it [18:09] xpdf, kpdf (okular), craporead [18:09] deco, which version? mine does [18:09] deco, i remember that being an old bug [18:09] hiptobecubic: 0.1.7 [18:10] alienBOB: :o [18:13] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) left irc: [18:14] hiptobecubic: hmmm can you send me your epdfview package? :P [18:14] deco: evince [18:14] i think there is a patch maybe... hold on let me look at this [18:15] evince demands gnome, doesn't it? i remember having that issue before [18:15] hiptobecubic: no. [18:15] BP{k}: that one works great with xfce [18:15] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host188-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:15] looks like i'll be doing gentoo on this book... [18:16] nyRednek: eeeewww why ? [18:16] slackintosh isn't going to quite do it [18:16] oh [18:16] deco: it's a powerbook 1400 [18:17] nyRednek: hmmm doesn't debian work ? [18:17] Action: hiptobecubic builds evince.... [18:17] deco: i will stab you [18:17] nyRednek: better than gentoo ..... [18:17] deco, anyway, i am use 0.1.7 of epdfview and my scroll works great. [18:17] deco: better in what way? [18:17] sbopkg -i evince [18:18] hiptobecubic: ah :P, well i got it from some site , i couldn't make my own slackbuild [18:18] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:18] hiptobecubic: can you send me the package or slackbuild ? :P [18:18] i'm looking [18:18] ok thanks [18:18] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/epdfview/ [18:18] deco, you tried that? [18:18] it has the scroll fixing patch included [18:18] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [18:19] hiptobecubic: o_O i couldn't find it there and it's there now o_O [18:19] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-253-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] hiptobecubic: thanks i'll try that [18:19] nyRednek: just messing with ya [18:20] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [18:20] Nick change: wertik_rus -> Skunky|suck [18:20] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-128-218.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:22] hiptobecubic: yay it works now \o/!! [18:22] omg evince works now. WOOOOOOOOOO \o/ [18:23] hiptobecubic: happy day for the both of us ! \o/ [18:23] epdfview was OK as long you didn't need to actually do anything. like highlight text. [18:23] hiptobecubic: yeah i just need something light to go with openbox [18:24] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware. [18:26] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] jiraia (n=jiraia@2406:a000:f0ff:ffff:0:0:0:3) joined ##slackware. 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[19:16] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] Sier (n=sier@unaffiliated/sier) left irc: Connection timed out [19:24] StevenR (n=foo@user-514d3f27.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [19:24] /me is learning c [19:25] slackie (n=x@213.63.200.24) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [19:26] what kinda flavour? [19:26] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-162-84-119-238.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] deco, what you writing? [19:27] hiya MLanden:) [19:27] heya,slackers...how's everyone? [19:27] heya,hitest [19:27] evil. you? ;) [19:27] y0 MLanden , hitest [19:27] y0 slackytude|evil [19:27] ^-^ [19:28] you|moron (n=wertik@95-24-153-18.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:28] slackytude|evil: just reading the K&R c book ^_^ first chapter [19:28] I am well MLanden, ty:) how are you? [19:28] hi slackytude|evil:) [19:29] man i wish i could fight zombies. This Movie is Awsome [19:30] fine thanks hitest [19:31] lotec, you can... just spend a night or two in a graveyard with a shot gun, or play Resident Evil ;-) [19:31] deco, oh, first chapter? just open vim and hack away [19:31] even better, open a prompt and enter python [19:31] i got resident evil, not the same thing. [19:31] slackytude|evil: yeah doing that ^_^ [19:31] shyko (n=shyko@187.39.219.228) joined ##slackware. [19:32] lotec, well, how about silent hill? [19:32] deco, \o/ [19:32] slackytude|evil: well actually doing the examples...as they are presented :P [19:32] jescis: no i really want a zombie hord to come after me, so i can kill them [19:32] deco, did I tell you about my first game? [19:32] slackytude|evil: nope , tell me [19:32] deco, well, first serious game [19:33] lotec, I don't know then -_- [19:33] deco, Visual C 6 in windows, with win32api and directx 7 api [19:33] slackytude|evil: :o, what kind of game ? [19:34] a bit like worms, but in space. you had this ship around a planet in an orbit and tried to hit other players, in turns [19:34] hehe ^_^ [19:34] could zoom in and out and the camera could follow the projectile [19:34] kc1411 (n=ken@static-87-102-68-157.karoo.KCOM.COM) joined ##slackware. [19:34] but everyting in 2d [19:34] :o that's awesome [19:35] coz I didnt dig 3d back then. [19:35] heh [19:35] what about now ? [19:35] had some dude doing graphics. was his idea, actually. nice looking planets [19:35] oh [19:35] slackytude|evil, I love 2D games... mmmm Mario Bros. mmmm [19:36] thats the problem with making games, thos graphic dudes are hard to come by [19:36] yeah [19:36] now, I write boring stuff [19:36] slackytude|evil: like what ? [19:36] I did try to rewrite spy vs spy, tho [19:36] lol nice [19:36] still laying around somewhere [19:37] boring stuff for people who wear ties [19:37] oh :/ [19:37] like, customer relation software [19:37] oh [19:37] or some other crap [19:37] slackytude|evil: for windows? [19:37] many windows clients, but most off my stuff uses python [19:38] oh [19:38] whenever I can get away with it [19:38] heh, if not what do you use ? [19:38] .Net, C# or VB.net [19:39] oh :( [19:39] why :( ? [19:39] Action: jescis hoped slackytude|evil said C or C++ :-\ [19:39] microsoft :( [19:40] nah, hardly ever use C or C++. not as important in many fields as it was [19:40] ASM? [19:40] that's embedded stuff and you can even run java and most of the stuff now [19:40] Action: deco cries [19:40] on most of the [19:40] don't cry please [19:40] jescis, what about ASM? [19:40] k [19:41] deco, why cry? [19:41] slackytude|evil: because c and c++ are not as important in many fields [19:41] it's all going to be alright, i promise [19:41] deco, so? [19:41] slackytude|evil, if it's not c/c++ I'd do ASM because it's more venturous ;-) [19:41] Action: deco hides [19:41] jescis, heh :P [19:42] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [19:42] you could do ASM in gw-basic even ;) [19:42] Action: fire|bird deploys a couple helicopters to search for deco's hiding spot. [19:42] slackytude|evil: when using microsoft suff do you use the IDE or just text editor ? [19:42] fire|bird: found me! [19:42] \o/ [19:43] \o\ [19:43] fire|bird: heya [19:43] /o/ [19:43] heya MLanden [19:43] deco, hard to get around using Visual Studio when you do .Net stuff. Its a huge monster. I tried MonoDevelop but not so easy to switch [19:44] deco, my python stuff is eclipse with pydev and eclim. or just vim [19:44] sometimes the eric4 IDE too [19:44] slackytude|evil: ok [19:44] kc1411 (n=ken@static-87-102-68-157.karoo.KCOM.COM) left irc: "leaving" [19:44] mostly on Linux, sometimes in win [19:44] microsoft beleives, if standards != fallow make your own crap ;-) [19:45] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:45] MLanden: How's it going? [19:45] slackytude|evil: hmmm variables in c don't have a symbol right ? like $ etc.. [19:46] deco, learning C is good mainly because of the concepts involved. Its direct machine access. You hardly ever will use it, but knowledge in C/C++ helps with a lot of other languages, like php or so [19:46] deco, nope [19:46] alright thanks....been compiling some of the newer player listed on http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=2 .... nothing fanciful [19:46] slackytude|evil: oh ok thanks! :) [19:47] deco, and the good thing is, that most stuff is better than C++ anyway [19:47] s/player/players [19:47] slackytude|evil, logo? ;-) [19:48] jescis, heh, you mean kturtle? [19:48] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "leaving" [19:48] and yourself,fire|bird? anything new? [19:49] slackytude|evil, I meant logo, the programming language that's on the Apple II ;-) [19:49] jescis, meh, oldschool [19:49] MLanden: I'm doing great, thanks. The weather was really nice again today (Am I still in Minnesota?) :P There's not a whole lot that's new, still messing with SeaMonkey and it not building. [19:49] But if kturtle is the same then yes. [19:50] cool,fire|bird...been a nice day here in Virginia...warmed up a bit [19:50] slackytude|evil, sometimes there's no scxhool like old school ;-) [19:50] jescis, not really but simliar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTurtle [19:51] MLanden: cool, I think it got to around 70 again today, which isn't normal at all for this time of year here. [19:51] true,fire|bird...as close as y'all are to the Dakotas....:P [19:51] haha, yeah [19:53] MLanden: It's sure nice having this type of weather though, makes the winter season more bearable and a bit shorter. [19:53] It's snowed here about 3 times, but nothing that stuck around long, melted as quickly as it fell. [19:53] lol.....keep Old Man Winter at bay...:P [19:54] yeah, for sure. This nice weather isn't suppose to last long, but it's sure great while it lasts. [19:55] Action: deco has never seen snow [19:55] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [19:55] jescis, looks like its based on logo [19:55] any awake scrotwm user? [19:55] we used it in school [19:55] slackytude|evil, loosely based on logo :-) [19:55] deco: snow, cold temperatures, etc. You aren't missing out on anything. :P [19:56] although I doubt it was kturtle at that time [19:56] fire|bird: i love darkness ... [19:56] some other interpreter [19:56] Action: fire|bird cuts power to deco's house. [19:56] dark enough? [19:56] nyRednek: not that kind of darkness!! :( [19:56] grrr i mean fire|bird [19:56] lol [19:56] lol [19:57] got so scared of the dark, you couldn't type the right name, or couldn't see to type the right name. [19:57] shyko (n=shyko@187.39.219.228) left irc: "Leaving" [19:57] fire|bird: exactly :( [19:57] Action: fire|bird reconnects deco's power lines. [19:57] \o/! [19:57] slackytude|evil, I've been trying to learn to program with my Apple //e ;-) [19:57] deco: wtf? not even paying that much attention to this window [19:57] hi fire|bird [19:58] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] Action: fire|bird gives deco a flashlight, in case another power loss occurs. [19:58] jescis, nice ^-^ [19:58] hey hitest, how are you? [19:59] helluva name for a mp3 player...Guayadeque Music Player...interesting project [20:00] fire|bird: I am well,ty:) you? [20:00] hitest: I'm great, thanks. :) [20:00] MLanden, any good? [20:01] nyRednek: nothing wrong nick carry on [20:01] http://sourceforge.net/projects/guayadeque/ [20:01] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176072127.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] different is all I can say,slackytude|evil...just needs cmake and the libs for exaile [20:02] MLanden: It seems like a unique project, to say the least. [20:02] MLanden, exaile? [20:02] slackytude|evil: another audio player [20:02] on SBo [20:02] got it [20:02] python based [20:03] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:03] wxWidgets :( [20:03] hey thrice`, how are you? [20:03] good, yourself? :) [20:03] great, thanks. [20:03] just got home, and having a beer [20:03] cool [20:03] been home all day fighting SeaMonkey. :P [20:03] you all drink! [20:03] gem_cat (n=gem@207-119-12-49.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] any luck? [20:03] deco: not I [20:04] fire|bird: ok that makes 2 now ;) [20:04] thrice`: unfortunately know, I just can't figure it out. The file is there, it looks to the dir that is symlinked to where the file is at, the only thing I can think of is a version mismatch which doesn't really make sense. [20:04] s/know/no/ [20:05] http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/floppy_disk_gangsta.jpg [20:05] slackytude|evil, 6502 asm is easier then 80x86 asm. While it seems RISC like, it's not a RISC CPU. It only has two registers to play with. With the acumulator, Stack Pointer and the like. Also having mnumonics like LDA, BNE, and so forth ;-) [20:05] just wow:) http://openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html [20:05] hitest: haha, yeah. Talk about an accidental mouse click disaster. [20:06] hitest didn't you show that earlier? [20:06] an 18 button mouse.....wtf?! [20:06] jescis, I like ARM. and everything is better than x86 asm [20:06] lotec: no, someone else. [20:06] lotec: no,maybe someone else did [20:06] zombieland is a good movie [20:06] slackytude|evil, ARM iss good too [20:06] jescis, never messed much with 6502, thats motorola? [20:06] hitest: lol...not good for FFS [20:06] slackytude|evil, MOS Tech. [20:07] lotec: it was me [20:07] slackytude|evil, people who worked for motorola that went to make their own chip company [20:07] ah [20:07] that doesnt sound good [20:07] slackytude|evil: think atari 800 [20:08] better or worse than motorola? [20:08] darylc (n=darylc@166.205.133.91) joined ##slackware. [20:08] the 6500 was an exact clone of the 6800 ;-) [20:08] better or worse what? company? [20:09] chip and asm code [20:09] that chip is 30 years old :) [20:09] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] ananke, actually it's older [20:09] I still can't believe that the 18 button mouse is real.....that takes epic failure to a whole new level:) [20:09] jescis: yeah, by a few years. 30 is just a nice round number [20:10] Ive seen people getting buggered about 8086 [20:10] I know, I was born when the Apple ][ came out ;-) [20:10] darylc (n=darylc@pdpc/supporter/active/darylc) left irc: Client Quit [20:10] or even 8085 [20:10] being able to remember the micky-modem dates one severely [20:11] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-157.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [20:11] I'd say it's 34 y/o ;-) [20:12] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [20:12] look at the technology that was current when you were born http://www.computerhistory.org/timeline/ [20:13] before devorac invented the keyboard he had a one-handed portable keypad that encoded ascii directly in binary [20:13] RipVanWinkle, some great computers, no? ;-) [20:14] in 61 IBM had a disk storage system about the size of a compact car [20:15] and in 62 they donated it to the college because it was obsolete [20:15] RipVanWinkle: here's some of those computers over at Lilek's site http://www.lileks.com/institute/compupromo/ [20:15] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:16] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] RipVanWinkle, over 1MHz was something, now it's over 1GHz. 140k floppy 5.25" then, 1TB HDD now o.O [20:16] Nick change: SiegeX- -> SiegeX [20:18] someday moore's law will meet murphey's law [20:18] true,jescis....with flash drives replacing floppy [20:19] i want to see SSD replace disk storage that uses platters, and see those drives with spinning platters become obsolete [20:19] RipVanWinkle, of course that's if you can afford the disk drive. If you could, cassette tape was the only medium for you ;-) [20:20] couldn't* [20:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [20:21] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [20:21] RipVanWinkle, can't wait for the laws collision ;-) [20:21] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) left ##slackware. [20:21] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-73-222.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:22] those two laws must have collided before at least once = when microsoft went in to business [20:23] twice, a second time when ubuntu was started [20:23] MLanden, they have hardware for the Apple II to use CF on it ;-) [20:23] RipVanWinkle, lol, could be :-) [20:23] so,i've seen,jescis....also for the c64/c128 as well [20:24] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.182.156) left irc: [20:24] MLanden, just wish someone could make them cheaper -_- [20:25] not mass marketed computers anymore,jescis [20:25] watching cops on TV, this guy falls asleep in a pickup truck while waiting for the light to change in a left turn lane [20:26] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.52.10) joined ##slackware. [20:26] MLanden, too bad -_- [20:26] possesion of a bong and weed [20:26] hiptobecubic (i=4b6fbd0b@gateway/web/freenode/x-helspgyftvunafhr) joined ##slackware. [20:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] 90$ is just too much for me -_- [20:27] also possesion of xanax, hes going to jail for a while [20:28] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl11-2-95.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:29] RipVanWinkle, it's just another casualty in the mj prohibition -_- [20:30] whats xanax? [20:30] he was doing more than pot, he was taking xanax while driving, [20:31] wakeup pills? [20:31] xanax is a downer sort of [20:31] is that a brand name or street slang? [20:31] same category as valium, cant think of the name [20:31] perscription drug [20:32] so, couldnt he have it legally? [20:32] makes no sense, uppers I can see, but downers? o.O [20:32] with a prescription yes, but still if he is messed up from abusing them he has no business driving on them [20:33] Action: jescis agrees with this statement [20:33] that might be true. still, if that was a first offense that shouldnt mean jail time [20:33] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:34] my dad was a trucker once :D [20:34] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:35] hello, what is the key with an arrow and a box called on a keyboard? [20:35] chendy (n=chatzill@116.30.194.230) joined ##slackware. [20:35] O_o [20:35] #hardware [20:35] box? [20:36] backspace? [20:36] it's usually next to the control key [20:36] no, not back space [20:36] hiptobecubic (i=4b6fbd0b@gateway/web/freenode/x-helspgyftvunafhr) left irc: "Page closed" [20:36] brings out the contextual menus [20:36] tab? [20:36] windows key? [20:36] chendy (n=chatzill@116.30.194.230) left irc: Client Quit [20:36] like right mouse click [20:36] the menu button ! [20:36] Akuma: which way is the arrow pointing [20:36] is that the name? [20:36] i believe the menu button's name to be 'Menu Button' [20:36] great slackware related question that os [20:36] mata? [20:36] is [20:36] I know this! [20:36] Menu key, according to wikipedo [20:37] *key [20:37] hiptobecubic (i=4b6fbd0b@gateway/web/freenode/x-vzkwujhzcrrostao) joined ##slackware. [20:37] hi, hiptobecubic [20:37] well it's because the Slackware people are usually the most helpful [20:37] :3! [20:37] chee: howdy [20:37] slackware people are incredibly helpful and rude and bitter [20:37] and we like cookies [20:37] Akuma, good thing to say in here ;-) [20:37] oh well, can't have it all [20:37] they are the best ! (^^)b! [20:38] :D [20:38] "Its menu key you jerk! i hate the world so much" [20:38] or something [20:38] toastytoast: Did you decide to install LXDE? [20:38] Akuma, nooper is right [20:38] i haven't yet [20:38] i wasn't invited to someone's house tonight because I once called him a paedophile. [20:38] i got sidetracked [20:39] Now, I can't imagine myself saying that unless it was quite clear I was lightly joking with him [20:39] so, I can only imagine that he'd take it to heart if he in fact is a paedophile [20:39] lol [20:39] ok [20:39] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-167-34.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Connection timed out [20:39] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [20:39] now I have to find the X denomination for it [20:39] toastytoast: ok [20:39] although, I don't see why I'm not invited to his house.. we could stel children together :( [20:39] I hate pulling keys off of the keyboard when i have to fix something [20:39] can't seem to make it work with irxevent [20:39] it's always so risky [20:40] he, this is nifty [20:40] I was checking out http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/squeezebox-duet.html [20:40] hiptobecubic, especially with these membrain/rubber contacts keyboards ;-) [20:40] and they have some kind of 3d avatar that sells you stuff [20:41] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "And Punt" [20:41] arielg (n=ari@host76.190-139-163.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:41] its not as annoying as it sounds [20:41] jescis: seriously. It's the worst. [20:41] that sounds like clippy [20:41] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] There are already two keys gone on this one. One i had to cannibalize to fix a more important key [20:42] mako-sama, its nice.Im goig to the wizard for selecting a product right now [20:42] Its like very cheap star trek [20:43] Nick change: packetee1 -> packeteer [20:43] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-73-222.cia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:43] slackytude|evil: yeah i've been looking at that for awhile. It'd be nice to hack that remote to do other things. [20:44] hiptobecubic, the agent? [20:45] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:46] http://www.codebaby.com/ [20:47] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-203-19.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:49] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-53-157.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[21:08] bbiab [21:08] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-162-84-119-238.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:11] Back in New Zealand where we invented rap... [21:14] New Zealanddidn't invent rap! >:( [21:14] sup jessica [21:14] rap has been around for years [21:15] Action: jescis hits jeev with an Edison 80~ record [21:15] rpm* [21:18] shit, windows is maxing it's uptime [21:18] Time is 6:18pm, computer has been up for 2w 6d 9h 54m 9s [21:18] better reboot [21:18] jeev, and that's 1/4" thick btw [21:19] go reboot jeev, you sissy ;-P [21:22] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:24] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [21:25] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.52.10) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:28] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:28] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [21:29] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. 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[21:39] yes - the plans for the mickey modem were in that book [21:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-196-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] ls [21:41] Er. [21:41] I need to look at my old books - some may need to go up for auction ;) [21:43] MLanden, it was published in '81 but was a collection of articles from the magazine which had just quit publishing about that time [21:45] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] gem_cat: ok [21:45] mlanden [21:45] jeev [21:45] go sleep! [21:45] nite [21:45] gem_cat (n=gem@207-119-12-49.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware ("fades slowly from view"). [21:45] hey, it worked.. wrong guy though [21:46] lol [21:47] redtricycle: lurker [21:47] winter: =P [21:48] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:48] But yeah, I'm still unsure about what caused the wiping of my system... [21:48] restoring from backups atm [21:48] pff [21:48] backups are for losers! [21:49] Jeez, I hope it was really "user error" as you guys suggested... [21:49] Only I wish I knew what the heck happened. [21:49] linux wont do that to you by itself [21:50] I know it wouldnt, but I watn to know how the script got into that condition [21:50] I was thinking making my usr/share directory was deleted (by me or something) [21:50] your taht guy with removed / , right? [21:50] yeah [21:50] and then the cd path changes [21:50] and set -e didnt catch the error.. [21:50] and then started removing it? [21:50] I can't even retrace the steps to make sure it doesnt happen again [21:51] If nobody cares, then I'll just forget about it unless it happens to someone else... [21:51] any crap in dmesg.log? [21:51] I already restored my system from backups [21:52] any saved logs? [21:52] No, I formatted and restored [21:52] because [21:52] everything was gone [21:52] so no logs were left [21:52] you could retrive that data [21:53] if you had separated /var [21:53] Which I never do -- do people recommend separating /var? [21:53] i do [21:53] What's the advantage? [21:54] dont know about people. [21:54] how did you remove / ? [21:54] i personally seperate /var/spool for my system based on the way my system caches sourcecode. but thats my box and not really relitive to slackware at all [21:54] like in exaple retriving those logs woould be less problematic [21:55] CcSsNET, why /var/spool ? [21:56] i already said it ^ [21:56] jonsmith1982: No clue. The events that lead up to it were sbopkg -> htop [21:56] But it works fine for other people... [21:56] and I just built the package as a regular user just now [21:56] winter, What about /usr/? that's where the bin files are. Shouldn't that be parted too? [21:56] i use sourcemage for the record if that helps, i already mentioned i didnt use slackware. [21:57] i separate that one too [21:57] Actually, it was sbopkg -> htop -> download timed out -> retry -> things starting wiping [21:57] infact i really only symlink /var/spool and its not done at a partitioning scheame [21:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] CcSsNET, I dont see the benefit [22:00] slackytude|evil, on sourcemage it creates a cache folder in that one for sourcefiles, so it doesnt have to download it again, so i can effectivly set it up on a nas, and symlink it network wide [22:00] I see [22:00] I just tell sbopg to use home [22:01] Action: CcSsNET id head desk right now . . . but its covered by this laptop [22:01] but the network thing is interessting [22:01] mhmm [22:01] sshfs [22:01] anything will do [22:01] sshfs is great [22:02] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] redtricycle: so .. more likely to do with sbopkg then with htop? [22:02] CcSsNET: a better solution would be to make /var in its own disk partition [22:03] nothing wrong with htop i installed via sbopkg a couple of days ago [22:03] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:03] you do ur thing ill do mine, also try reading all of the above ^ [22:03] ..... [22:03] maybe something more suspect, like network being compromised? [22:03] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [22:04] i did that for a while when i was messing around with a few distros that build packages in there, like Arch, Crux, Gentoo (/usr/ports too) [22:04] BP{k}: Probably...I dont really want to try it again [22:04] the whole "Hit retry after the download fails" thing [22:04] FjoelAv (i=FjoelAv@host-90-233-129-162.mobileonline.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] There's nothing wrong with htop. [22:04] I just built the package with a regular user [22:04] redtricycle: I know there isn't (or there shouldn't) ;) [22:05] Right, I don't know what actions sbopkg takes to do the retry, though... [22:05] that said, sbopkg obviously shouldn't begin removing your / [22:05] I'll have to install a a VM with slackwaer and try again [22:05] I'm doubting I can recreate it [22:06] whenever i am trying out new software i am unsure of i never build it as root, i build it as a user and prefix it to ~/ so i can see what all it installs in my user home dir [22:06] o_o [22:06] we'll never know. [22:06] and see how it handles DESTDIR or INSTALL_ROOT or INSTALL_PREFIX [22:06] ripvanwinkle i suggest u give sourcemage a try then, gaze install packagename will show u a history of all file changes or creations [22:07] sourcemage has the most retarded build system alive [22:07] uh huh sure ;) [22:08] it surpasses gentoo imho [22:08] I had a look the last time you were trolling about it [22:08] CcSsNET, thrice` is your master! Beleive him, he knows what he says ;-) [22:08] lol jescis [22:10] CcSsNET, plus, no one disses gentoo! [22:10] i do [22:10] Action: jescis hits CcSsNET with an 1/4" Edison 80~ rpm record [22:10] anyone had a laptop have a weak connection with a/c? it seems like it's slipping, cuts power. the battery is dead anyway [22:10] Action: CcSsNET eats it and casts mage spells on record collection [22:11] i am sticking with slackware, it has been my favorite distro for a long long time [22:11] jeev twice with toshibas [22:11] CcSsNET: Do you use Slackware? [22:11] this is a dell :/ [22:11] jeev seen it with almost all compaqs over a 4 year age [22:11] o.O what strong teeth you have!?! Thompsons teeth? ;-) [22:11] nothing looks different, power isn't loose, the jack looks fine [22:12] ive tried another adapter too.. same thing [22:12] minewsa the jack both times , looked fine but broke off the board [22:12] redtricycle, check for an efnet log in slackware recently last week or so about my opinion of it [22:12] oh, internally ? [22:12] yes [22:12] im not getting into it again [22:12] this looks mint [22:12] mine looked fine also [22:12] if i wiggled it it would start charging again [22:12] i should probably open it up then, i hate opening lappies man [22:13] same here [22:13] last time i changed a screen for my friend [22:13] i had like 9 screws left [22:13] lol [22:13] lol [22:13] there always designed to make you break something plastic [22:13] haha [22:13] and it was kind of bumpy up top haha [22:14] hmm my cable is doing 3300kb/s [22:14] 26400 [22:14] 26.4 meg, bah [22:14] CcSsNET, http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/sourcemage/grimoire/codex/stable/chat-im/pidgin/ you find THAT to be intuitive? [22:14] my only peeve with slackware lately has been kde-4 and i know its not Pat's fault, its those muppet kde developers and i am not really a fan of kde-4, kde-2.x & kde-3.x was was decent though, i am done with messing with kde for a while, i might try it again next year when a new slackware is release [22:14] that's easily the worst build system I've ever seen [22:14] ooh, 3800 now [22:14] 30400 [22:14] thrice` you had same arguement last time, and clearly ur overwelmed looking at the iso booted [22:15] I took apart a Dell laptop and was scared to put it back together... *shudders* ALL THOSE SCREWS *shudders* [22:15] have you heard the famous question to ukrainian presidend on some chat? [22:15] CcSsNET, booted the iso? no thanks [22:15] "how to patch kde 2.0 on freebsd" [22:15] thrice` hands down ive used linux since redhat 5.2, sourcemage tought me more about linux in 1 year, then all other uses, and ive used everything ever touching distrowatch.com [22:16] and still keep a updated collection ^ [22:16] winter, the closest you will get to Unix is *BSD ;-) [22:17] the sourcemage wiki makes it sound like a game [22:17] and the funniest thing is that he answered. [22:17] casting and dispelling programs [22:17] CcSsNET, that may be, but it's package maintenance system (keeping aside it's childish names) is overly complex, and doesn't apply anywhere else [22:17] winter .... correctly? [22:17] lol scuzz i agrea there naming of stuff is well strange but its all hierachy logical unlike most distros [22:18] yes. [22:18] brb [22:18] what part of http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/sourcemage/grimoire/codex/stable/chat-im/pidgin/ is logical ??? [22:18] thrice` i claim u have never ever even seen a system running it never mind tried it [22:18] I don't like any distro that I cannot easily produce packages for, and this would certainly fit that bill [22:19] see that big russian get beat tonight? [22:19] LOL [22:19] thrice` simply try it . . . [22:19] CcSsNET, Slackware has good reasons for how it is... It's the oldest distro and Pat still maintains it ;-) [22:19] yes but i dont agrea with slackware practices by "the common users" [22:19] although u can learn from them [22:19] thus im here [22:19] then you should quit trolling, and perhaps leave :) [22:20] its funny u dont want to learn [22:20] and rather insult [22:20] troll?! Where?!? [22:20] learn what? [22:20] point proved [22:20] a new build system that doesn't apply to any other distribution? [22:21] stygian (i=stygian@69.149.152.230) joined ##slackware. [22:21] that wont last long [22:21] This channel seems to attract more and more morons every day [22:21] besides lunar's is similiar [22:21] indeed :) [22:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [22:22] frullet, i dont like being insulted so now im going to insult you. when was the last time u did a checksum verification on ur sourcecode, o wait do u use linuxpackages.net binaries? hmmm exactly. sourcemage integrates checksum verification on all actions [22:22] <.< >.> [22:23] CcSsNET: whatever... the sourcemage channel is over there -------------> [22:23] lol [22:23] no lol [22:23] go about ur day ill just idle [22:24] cool. does that mean you're gonna be quiet? [22:24] i am going to build a chicken coop and raise about a dozen chickens next spring [22:24] not many people here use linuxpackages.net binaries, doubt any. fwi [22:24] true dat [22:24] v4nelle (n=van@adsl21-114.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:26] Slackware uses packages that are upstream sources more then binary propriatary packages like YUM, deb, or the like. Whyhide the code? [22:27] any rebuttles? [22:27] (sp?) [22:28] i rolled my own qt338 & kde-3.5.10 in slack-13, runs great :) [22:28] same philosiphy as sourcemage, but in respect to that, your base is binary. and in respect to gentoo they modify there sources and maintain a repo. thus sourcemage or lunar are the only sane from source solutions available [22:28] anyway by now [22:28] CcSsNET: whatever... the sourcemage channel is over there -------------> [22:28] all distros are binary, once source code is built and packaged it is binary, take that false logic elsewhere [22:29] RipVanWinkle, why? Pat provided packages for kde3 :) [22:30] i wanted kde to be in its own path separate from /usr so i prefixed it to /usr/local [22:30] yes but when a distro is based on compiling packages on localhost and avoid precompiled packages then it's qualified as source based [22:31] since gentoo is easily the most widely-used source based distro, I really doubt they're "doing it wrong" :> [22:31] package system, if the distributer builds good quality binaries why bother unless you want to change something either in the way it works or the path/prefix it is installed in [22:32] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:32] i had gentoo running nicely but after all that work i seen slackware runs just as good so gentoo seemed like more work than necessary (for me) i am sure there are some that have a need for it but not me [22:32] At least my Apple II can be coded with better stuff then windows or what anyone else peddles ;-) [22:34] i had to make it seem i was leaving for you people to think on it rationally and respectably, ripvanwinkle in respect to awnsering you to fully audit code as a community, u must first have a sane distribibution scheme one that relys on verifying the code is unmodified, this hashes. and once that is acheived all else related to auditing patching whatever can be said sanely that yes we know it is the same we the people. not the distro [22:34] I like both Slackware and gentoo... they're awesome and have no need to force X on the user ;-) [22:38] Debian(Ubuntu), RedHat/Fedora, and others like them force one to use X even making it difficualt to do anything without X(especially Ubuntu) and hiding the code from the user. Whereas slackware and gentoo doesn't. ;-P [22:38] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:39] night,folks..take care [22:39] good point jescis [22:39] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-167-93.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:40] CcSsNET, I have plenty of them ;-) [22:40] Action: jescis points at his head ;-) [22:41] uou mentioned slackware and gentoo but not arch? :p [22:41] CcSsNET, did I forget to mention I have a sense of humar ;-) [22:42] toastytoast, because I never used it :-) [22:42] i see [22:42] it doesn't come with x so you ahev to do alot in command line [22:42] arch is excellent [22:43] I should get and try it :\ [22:43] more work than slackware to get installed, but less than gentoo [22:44] I did forget lfs though too. ;-) [22:44] i know someone who used it becasue of that reason [22:44] LFS is not worth the effort required, IMHO [22:44] its easy than gentoo but harder than slackware a happy medium is what they called it [22:44] all distros suffer the lack of source checksumming other then sourcemage and lunar. i assume gentoo does but i cant stand it based on source modification and repository like it where a binary distro [22:45] what are you talking about? slackpkg checks the md5sum of every package [22:45] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-22-196.dyn.iinet.net.au) left ##slackware. [22:45] in source form? [22:45] gentoo also verifies every tarball download, and also every build script [22:45] slackpkg doesn't deal with source [22:45] okk then slackware is not included in hash use [22:46] but i mentioned gentoo might me [22:46] be* [22:46] i knew it! CcSsNET is an undercover secret agent from sourcemage of the lunar nation come to subvert and recruit slackers! [22:46] pkgtool does, right thrice` ? [22:46] CcSsNET: who cares? [22:46] u should [22:46] I don't [22:46] run along and troll somewhere else [22:46] seriously, you are clueless about slackware, and how it works [22:46] then ur worse off then a windows user [22:46] run along and troll somewhere else [22:47] slackware is NOT a source based distribution [22:47] CcSsNET: Pat V has been building & developing slackware since you were pooping in your diapers, ya think he knows what he is doing by now? [22:47] then like all others it suffers the same problems ;) im only giving wisdom as its asked [22:47] heh [22:47] CcSsNET: nobody is asking for your "wisdom". bugger off [22:47] noone is asking you anything! quit talking [22:48] But we no ask :-( [22:48] or as im insulted [22:48] ;) [22:49] good. leave, troll. [22:49] Action: jescis wishesthere was an actual door to slam in CcSsNET software peddling face :-( [22:50] you guys ever had an ext3 filesystem decide that you can't create files or directories that are numerical only? I can create alpha named files and dirs, just not numerical [22:50] ;.; [22:50] lsattr doesn't show anything either [22:50] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:50] RipVanWinkle, he does the best he can as a lonely person doing a Linux distro [22:50] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:50] slackware would be better off, as with linux as a whole community, if it where based on sourcemage philosophy last statement by now [22:51] CcSsNET, you mean by, bye, or buy? [22:51] CcSsNET: <------------- clueless n00b [22:51] bye [22:51] CcSsNET, just because sourcemage is checking md5 sums? [22:51] Pat is married and has at least one child, i doubt he is lonely, i bet he stays busy [22:51] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:52] and i bet if pat is here. he will find my email and email me [22:52] ;) [22:52] RipVanWinkle, I didn't mean that, but it's his personal distro [22:52] and or sourcemage [22:52] Slackware is a one-man distro mostly [22:52] 04:50 < jescis> ;.; [22:52] Does Pat have a successor? [22:52] women is crying because of you [22:52] winter, I'm a man!! [22:52] i bet Pat has an inner circle of developers he works with [22:53] ......... [22:53] JEremiah SCott NorrIS = jescis [22:53] jescis: oh, there is no women in the internet. [22:53] RipVanWinkle, it's an assumption, and I doubt so, I think some people do help him, but he does the bulk of the work [22:53] i forgot. sorry, my bad. [22:53] winter: Its wimen is Pluralis.' [22:54] winter, It's ok :-) [22:54] winter: There are many wimen rocking the webz. [22:54] RipVanWinkle, and since he is alone that's why there is this policy of "developers know best" and "pristine package" policy to save time. [22:55] FjoelAv: i wonder where, it's comunist propaganda imo. [22:55] winter: What is this or that ? [22:55] What's the easiest way to upgrade alsa? I've created my own slackbuilds for -driver and -utils before, but i was wondering if there was a more automated way (e.g. via sbopkg) [22:56] i been using Linux for a little less than 10 years, tried a lot of distros and Pat's Slackware has to be the best [22:56] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [22:56] FjoelAv: i wish to understand. [22:56] redtricycle, you don't need to upgrade -driver, the drivers are in the kernel, you only need to upgrade libs and utils [22:56] RipVanWinkle, me too :-) [22:56] winter: By saying that you have not yet tried. [22:57] RipVanWinkle, same for me, Slackware is the easiest to understand [22:57] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:57] redtricycle: and you can't do that with SBo because they don't generally include things already in slack - you'd need to create your own and put them in a local repo [22:57] because it's pointless, the truth is terrible. [22:57] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] so i'm not even trying. [22:57] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-48-90.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] winter: Haha, youre a starving child, living deep in the saharas without perhaps water then ? [22:58] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) left irc: "Leaving" [22:59] winter: I can picture you now with a new computer in the middle of the saharas :) [22:59] a OLPC ^^ [22:59] RipVanWinkle, 1999 I took a class on Unix. That had computers with Red Hat ;-) [22:59] I love the OLPC's [23:00] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-18-152.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] 1997, I was using Slackware, and Windows 95 for games :) [23:00] i used my todays portion for the water cooling for my 8core xeon :( [23:00] witukind, I was a slow bloomer ;-) [23:01] dead links [23:01] jescis, good for you, you'll live longer :) [23:02] good night [23:02] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [23:02] hehehe [23:02] jescis: I have many books on computing systems. They go back as far as the birth of computers. Me and my friend made some IC boards with tonnes of wires back in the day. 0,5 MegaBytes of RAM took a long time to conjoure up :) [23:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:02] FjoelAv, Wow, cool! o.O [23:03] FjoelAv: maybe youi're interested in my amiga 1200 then [23:03] smokeybandit (n=cntrfeit@207-237-64-142.c3-0.80w-ubr6.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [23:03] jescis: We built the first computer in a garage. Indeed... it was an experience. Then they started full frontal lobe constructions of the designs. [23:04] not cheap to sale.. but ... it's working perfectly [23:04] Everyone always speaks about amigas and ataris, apple IIs and stuff like that but no one knows Amstrad, I feel left out :s [23:04] In fact My first computer I used was an Apple IIe when I was fourteen. I could of used one when I was five :-( [23:04] winter: My Amiga 500's floppy actually croaked its ballbearings :) [23:04] and it can run linex. [23:05] sleepytime for me, laters [23:05] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] Amstrad forever :) [23:05] witukind: ATARI ruled though. [23:05] I started with Slackware 3.2 on a friends server. I cut my teeth on Slackware 3.3 by installing it onto my Pentium 100Mhz at the time, as real floppy disk sets :D [23:05] The MX was sexxi [23:05] sp4z (n=sp4z@unaffiliated/sp4z) joined ##slackware. [23:06] FjoelAv, But Apple ]['s ruled more ;-) [23:06] jescis: remember Frogger ? :) [23:06] I started with Slackware 3.3 or 3.4 not sure, and then switched to Red Hat for a while, and then forevermore with Slackware [23:06] My favorite is Burger Time ;-) [23:07] witukind: I toyed with RedHat 4.2. It wasn't bad, but that was the last version of RedHat I actually enjoyed [23:07] oh great, sweedish nationalist. [23:07] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [23:07] FjoelAv, ATARI I remember had great games, but there were PC ports for my Amstrad :D [23:07] aWNED (n=everest@adsl-177-110-202.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] probably had a role in "nasty old people" [23:08] fuzzbawl, I even baught the boxed set of RedHat 5.2 or 5.3, I did buy two Slackware boxed sets too for my defense :) [23:08] Atari had ports of games for the Apple ][ ;-) [23:08] they like to flood. [23:08] oh yeah [23:08] well hello everybody [23:09] that's why the crash of 83/84 happened ;-) [23:09] winter: The nasty old people as you so kindly put it, had something vital to show us about the worlds. As i like you, heres something that could possibly bring tears to your eyes: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/xrick/xrick.swf [23:09] fuzzbawl, but you're right I remember as soon as they introduced the python "kudzu" hardware stuff, I dumped it and went directly back to Slackware. [23:09] does slapt-get install updates automatically update all libs etc like ubuntus apt-get? [23:10] sp4z, slackpkg is easier to use [23:10] witukind: What was the name of the game for ATARI where you swung across the amazons over crocodiles ? [23:10] pitfall? [23:10] lool [23:11] That was for C64 [23:11] jescis: does slackpkg do dependencies automatically? [23:11] FjoelAv, no idea, I know there was "le manoir de mortevieille" for Atari ST, and they ported it to the PC and I could play it on my Amstrad :) [23:11] Or I386 (286) [23:11] pitfall was on atari as well [23:11] witukind, no, slackware in general does not do dependency tracking [23:12] Cool [23:12] thrice`, I knew that thanks :) [23:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:12] witukind, further, any package_manager that claims to add support for that is unsupported here :) [23:12] wiklund ? [23:13] sp4z, if a package needs another it will install it, so I beleive --- yes [23:13] no, slackpkg doesn't do dependencies [23:14] jescis, slackpkg (nor does slapt-get) doesnt resolve dependancies [23:14] thrice`, I support the idea of dependency tracking but not at the insane level of RPM [23:14] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:14] then slackware is not right for you [23:14] aWNED, sorry wasn't sure. sp4z then no -_- [23:14] bed time. later all [23:14] jescis: thanks anyways :D [23:15] sp4z, yw :-) [23:15] lol [23:15] stygian: How is Patric nowdays ? [23:15] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@adsl-99-20-198-250.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Erp. So that's what kill %1 does!" [23:15] I mean a base Linux system should have standard libraries and no dependencies should be explicit for that, but the Linux world being so fragmented as it is, dependency checking is inevitable [23:15] witukind: so i by upgrading libs and util, soudn will work on my system? [23:15] hm? im not who you're probably thinking I am [23:15] I dont need tou pgrade alsa-drivers to the latest one, also? [23:16] I merely share first names. [23:16] petslack (n=petslack@201-42-216-85.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Gutzmek (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Action: Gutzmek needs direction [23:16] witukind: Your dimples seem fragmentedly scattered across your face. why are you saying bad things about GNU/Linux ? [23:16] redtricycle, that I don't know but the "alsa drivers" are in the Linux kernel, and the rest you have is out of the kernel. [23:16] sp4z, yes it does [23:16] db groups? [23:16] Gutzmek, go left on I64... ;-) [23:17] FjoelAv, come say it in front of me :) [23:17] redticycle, make sure alsa supports your sound first. while its unlikely, you never know... [23:17] sp4z, nm, actually, misunderstood what you were asking [23:17] featuring voip [23:17] So, the latest alsa drivers may not be in the slack 13.0 kernel [23:17] turkeyshoot, :D np ty [23:17] aWNED: I know it does, but I was curious what the minimum alsa install is [23:17] Drivers only? Or do drivers/lib need to go hand in hand? [23:17] Do I need the trio? drivers/lib/utils? [23:17] petslack (n=petslack@201-42-216-85.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [23:18] sp4z (n=sp4z@unaffiliated/sp4z) left irc: "Leaving" [23:18] petslack (n=petslack@201-42-216-85.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:18] FjoelAv, GNU is not the be all and end all of computing, but the Linux kernel is indeed the best UNIX-like, or even the best OS kernel there ever has been until now. Too bad the userland is so subpar. [23:18] anyone specialize in voip networks, or can point me [23:18] witukind: Im 2,05 tall and the worlds strongest man. I also have black belts in judo and karate. We can eat cake and watch UFC perhaps. Where do you live ? :) [23:18] if your worried that you dont have the latest version, uninstall it (pkgtool, remove) and download the sources from the alsa website and build it [23:18] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:19] witukind: Would there be a Linux without the GNU ? /Nope [23:19] lol keres is on my fibre [23:20] FjoelAv: yes there would, it just wouldnt be as bloated ;) [23:20] Action: jescis tries to help anyone he can. But fails at times -_- [23:20] FjoelAv, I live in belgium right now, I'm merely 1m79 tall, and I think weight lifting is unnatural, I did judo when I was young, but I rely on my rage when I fight but still I prefer civilised people who don't resort to such primitive ways. [23:21] Action: aWNED comforts jescis [23:21] FjoelAv, why not, there's BSD without either GNU or Linux [23:21] witukind: you seem to have adapted. [23:21] witukind: BSD [i]is[/i] unix, linux is based on unix [23:21] witukind: Oh, Gov [23:21] witukind: :) [23:21] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] aWNED, historically yes [23:22] aWNED, thanks :-) [23:22] jescis: hehe sure [23:22] so [23:22] aWNED: How well is your windows working for ya ? :) /ME throws on some maiden and laughs evilly :P [23:22] BSD can use the UNIX trademark or not? [23:23] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:23] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] glad i could get some assistance [23:23] Actually Lini\ux is based off of Minix, which in turn is based off of BSD, which is based off of Unix. Or some veriation of that tree ^.^ [23:23] witukind: no, just AIX, HP-UX, IRIX, Solaris, Tru64 (formerly "Digital UNIX"), A/UX, Mac OS X 10.5 on Intel platforms, and a part of z/OS. [23:24] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:24] jescis: but in the end it all comes down to unix -> // linux and unix -> unix [23:24] all i need is an arrow to a db room [23:25] jescis: unix -> bsd*** [23:25] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-169-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:25] jescis: It appears to a GOWD compared to those systems though. Perhaps thats why BANKS, POLICE, MILITARY and NAVY etc have switched systems to Linux. [23:25] GNU/Linux [23:25] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:25] aWNED, I've read up on my computer history. I know in gest I have it correct :-) [23:26] anyway this is all nitpicking, the Linux kernel is basically the most advanced UNIX-like kernel these days, and FreeBSD etc... have long deviated from SysV etc// [23:26] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] witukind, that's what I like to do... nitpick ;-) [23:26] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A745EB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:27] witukind: I should hope so, its where we put our greatest coders these days [23:27] FjoelAv: military still hasnt switched all together as panasonic doesnt support their linux systems yet, once Pan gets on that then we should see the entirety of the military switch to RedHat [23:27] witukind: Shows doesnt it ;) [23:27] FjoelAv, it is, the Linux kernel rules, too bad the userland sucks! [23:27] Unix owns for backbone, linux owns for stability, the rest is secondary [23:27] aWNED: Its settled then. [23:28] Gutzmek: in my experience BSD has been more stable than linux but linux is more stable than everything else thats usable [23:28] Gutzmek, VMS rules for stability as far I heard [23:28] witukind: What is it now... then ? [23:28] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:28] :) [23:29] what are u actually trying to do.?.?.? [23:29] Action: jescis wishes he had the PDP-11 code >.> [23:29] FjoelAv, I didn't get what you meant ? [23:29] FjoelAv, your handle sounds scandinavian or german [23:29] as a basic web backend, linux does fine [23:29] jescis: at least you can emulate it, and play some good ol' unix chess [23:29] need greater stability go unix [23:30] witukind: IT is [23:30] aWNED, I rather try to port it to the Apple //e I have. :-P [23:31] Gutzmek: for basic everyday use (web browsing, coding, and fucking with the internet) linux will crash once every year, BSD will crash once every two years [23:31] FjoelAv, I guess you must be Danish as in my experience swedes or norwegians are not as outspoken as you are :) [23:31] Gutzmek: theres no difference really but, its there [23:31] Truely awesome: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4885188/Plants_vs_Zombies__[KTB]_-_v1.0.0.1051 [23:31] FjoelAv: haha, my history professor actually was playing that when i walked into class yesterday.. [23:32] why does ktorrent say stalled, whats its problem? [23:32] turkeyshoot: what were you doing? [23:32] witukind: Im from Belgium to begin with. A few hundred years ago [23:32] or you are a fake Finnish-swedish speaking satanist :D [23:33] witukind: thats always the most logical conclusion [23:33] witukind: LOL! [23:33] aWNED, nothing, i just opened a .torrent and its stalled, first time using it [23:33] turkeyshoot, it wants to kill you with the same method Doctors use... patience overdose ;-) [23:33] does freenode have a group for databases? [23:33] aWNED, i opened port for it [23:33] witukind: Rock is satannical nowdays ? :) [23:33] aWNED, im not sure what it wants from me [23:33] witukind: Red Cross or something ? [23:34] turkeyshoot: shouldnt do that. by stalls you mean it becomes unresponsive right? try using something *cough*better*cough* [23:34] turkeyshoot: transmission is nice [23:34] FjoelAv, rock has always carried the culture of individualism and "might is right", I know all about it cause I've been listening to Metal since I was 14 or so [23:34] me too [23:35] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [23:35] witukind: Youre forgiven my child /Jokin :) [23:35] FjoelAv, how old are you to call me your child? :) [23:35] aWNED, yeah lol [23:35] witukind, I only like Heavy metal live... can't mosh with yourself ;-) [23:35] jescis, good point [23:35] \o\ [23:35] /o/ [23:35] \o\ [23:35] /o/ [23:35] \o\ [23:36] witukind: Hence the joke, we are not more then a few years apart. Seen "Kenny the last starfighter" ? [23:36] witukind, if he's not old enough, I might be ;-) [23:37] FjoelAv, not sure, I guess you're referring to South Park ? [23:37] lol [23:37] jescis: Get a boyfriend already :P [23:37] think of how old the Apple ][ is and that's the same with me ;-) [23:37] witukind: IMDB it [23:37] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [23:38] 45 ? [23:38] FjoelAv, 32 [23:38] +1 [23:38] FjoelAv, I googled it doesn't rignt a ball [23:38] *a bell [23:39] You want "Heaven can wait" by "Iron Maiden" ... Rocks your socks off [23:39] witukind, "ring a bell" you mean? ;-) [23:39] :) [23:39] I have to admit that beyond LOTR, Braveheart and Michael Collins I don't really like many movies [23:39] jescis, yes [23:39] The album is called "Somewhere in time" [23:40] jescis: really do like to nitpick eh? [23:40] oh Iron Maiden, my favorite album from them in fact [23:40] thanks! [23:40] aWNED, jah [23:41] witukind, how about Space Balls or Star Wars, or Star Trek ;-) [23:41] can anyone suggest a good (not mpd) based cli music player? [23:41] aWNED: mplayer [23:41] Gutzmek (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware. [23:41] jescis, nah I didn't watch that [23:41] mplayer *.mp3 [23:41] moc? [23:41] deco: with some sort of library functionality [23:41] I love them too. I also love all kinds of rock but im having second doubts about those who are on tv atm (); [23:41] Star Wars was not bad, but not anything that is memorable [23:42] witukind: I diverge [23:42] witukind, good stuff. Star Wars came out the same year as "Smokey and the Bandit," the Apple ][ and me ;-) [23:42] jescis: the first one? [23:43] aWNED, yes [23:43] 1977 [23:43] soudns like a good year lol [23:43] FjoelAv, my favorite bands, Burzum, Entombed and old Metallica, but not sure with Paradise Lost and Absurd. [23:43] mostly because of SMokey and the Bandit [23:43] one year after the bicentinial ^.^ [23:43] I have to write a new gtk+-filechooser. Its rotten if yould like users to be able to pick either a file or a directory such as could be with rsync [23:44] aWNED, I have it on DVD ^.^ [23:44] buggger off!!! [23:44] all of you!! [23:44] Action: aWNED lugs out VHS player [23:45] witukind: What i teach you now is something YOU should never forget. Only listen to that kind of music when you feel happy. [23:45] deco, you bugger off, you insane person [23:45] when I'm happy I listen to Onkel Tom Angelripper [23:45] witukind: OnkelKonkel :P [23:46] OnkelKonkel, dat meint nix zu mir [23:46] Vrävarna ? [23:46] GTFO!!!! [23:46] Ich spreche gar kein schwedisch [23:46] all of you!!! [23:46] Action: jescis has Pyromania by Def Lepperd ;-) [23:47] Action: aWNED wishes rosseta stone for swedish would finish torrenting [23:47] FjoelAv, heh told you [23:47] witukind: Ich spreche deutsch. Or try to :) [23:47] HAL is kinda a douche [23:47] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [23:47] wish they spoker german or gealic ;-) [23:47] witukind: Wo ist den schaal (Basically what we learned :P) [23:47] FjoelAv, ich probiere Deutsch zu sprechen auch, aber ich kann Deutsch net so schlecht [23:48] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-73-222.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:48] ich weiß nicht wat heiß schaal [23:48] FjoelAv, I do! [23:48] can we kindly keep it to English here folks? [23:48] witukind: Jaja, aber ich can den blyfoot (heavyfoot) on den gaspedal pressen :P [23:49] kann [23:49] nien! BP{k} [23:49] can/kann [23:49] is this the german slackware channel ? [23:49] ich habe eine grosses dich effeschlange [23:49] Ill go smoke some, brb [23:49] dick* [23:49] thats all the deutsch i know [23:49] BP{k}, j/k ;-) [23:50] FjoelAv, auf Deutsch heißt es nicht "gaspedal" [23:50] das bin ich sicher an [23:50] witukind: ##slackware.de [23:50] BP{k}: lol [23:50] witukind, nien deutsch! [23:50] BP{k}, ok so I won't speak German [23:50] :s [23:51] jescis: would be"nicht deutsch" [23:51] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:52] aWNED, yeah? ithought that's how you spelled the word for no? :\ [23:52] RedSocrates (n=RedSocra@cpe-69-207-175-250.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:52] aWNED, you can also pronounce "nicht" as "net" or "nit" which is the German pronounciation of "nicht" in most western Germany [23:53] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host188-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [23:53] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] jescis: nein is no but its used in the context of a reply, nicht is command and usually literally means not but it depends on the context. [23:53] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [23:53] usually for "no" you say "nee" in germany which is like the old-english "nay". [23:53] witukind: yeah, took one year of german in highschool [23:54] witukind: thats a regional thing though right? [23:54] yes [23:54] it's regional but widespread [23:54] right [23:54] witukind, aWNED I like german because I'm part german. Also I'd like to learn it more. [23:55] smokeybandit (n=cntrfeit@207-237-64-142.c3-0.80w-ubr6.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware. [23:55] at least in my area, I'm not strictly a German, but a from the German-speaking parts of France, Luxemburg, Saarland etc... [23:55] jescis: its a pretty language in its own respect but portugese is better :) [23:55] witukind: french = old frankfurt + catalonia [23:56] france rather [23:56] aWNED, I like Spanish, german, and Gealic [23:56] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) joined ##slackware. [23:56] hey im trying to get my macbook (os: osx 10.5.8) to back up to my server comp (os: slackware 13 64bit) so i just installed netatalk from src and i change /etc/rc.d/rc.atalk modifications to make it an executable ( just guessed that would work and it did ) , everything seems to be fine i can connect to it with my mac although when i try to make a backup with time machiene it fails and dont know why :S.. anyone have any expierence with th [23:56] is? [23:56] aWNED, yes [23:56] jescis: classical spanish is good. the mexicans have greatly skewed the perception of latin languages in the united states though. you know that they have started to teach mexican spanish in schools now? [23:56] Can someone explain to me the relationship between alsa-driver and the kernel drivers? Does the kernel incorporate all the drivers, and the alsa-driver only contains drivers that the kernel does not yet have? [23:57] cathy_chang (n=wangchan@61.150.43.46) left ##slackware. [23:57] I'm trying to figure out why slackware64 does not include alsa-driver package [23:57] redtricycle: alsa interacts with the kernel drivers i think [23:57] aWNED, not really since I have no children -_- [23:57] redtricycle, forget about the alsa-drivers [23:57] the drivers are in the kernel [23:57] redtricycle: i think it did, sound worked fine for me right of the bat, just make sure to unmute you sound in alsa-mixer yeah [23:58] nod, I've upgraded oss and lib so far [23:58] jescis: neither do it. keeping up with the times :) [23:58] but sound still isnt working for me [23:58] redtricycle: iirc oss is a different system than alsa isnt it? [23:58] or is that something else? [23:59] alsa-oss [23:59] aWNED, yeah, like parents who are not like the old school parenting principals of "just because X gets y, doesn't mean you're going to." ;-) [00:00] --- Sun Nov 8 2009