[00:01] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.8.200.235) joined ##slackware. [00:01] anyway, eduke32 crashing isn't really that much worse than eduke32 running at like 2 frames/sec, which is what it used to do in 12.2 on this laptop [00:02] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:03] if I run in a 320x240 window, the speed is tolerable, but of course it's like looking at the game through grandma's glasses [00:04] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:10] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.8.200.235) left irc: "Leaving" [00:10] kbrd____________ (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:11] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) joined ##slackware. [00:11] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] karlos (n=karlos@201-13-222-61.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "karlos has no reason" [00:16] UrchLap: LOL [00:17] UrchLap: Can I quote you [00:17] love it [00:19] bird (n=lee@pool-173-60-81-69.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] is it possible to upgrade to 13.0 with out losing all my programs/drivers/configuration from 12.2? [00:21] kbrd (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [00:22] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:25] bird: yes [00:25] well, sort of [00:25] actually, not really [00:25] is there documentation out there for this [00:25] oh [00:25] "drivers" will be replaced [00:26] backup your home dir and /etc to save your configs [00:26] i can live with drivers i guess, only have one for my wireless card [00:26] but not all of it is re-useable [00:26] bird: do you use KDE? [00:26] no i'm using awesome [00:26] never heard of that, but ok [00:27] watch out for the . files in ~/ [00:27] a lot are not reusable, eh, danc3 [00:27] the configuration should be the same i guess, but what about the /bin/ files? [00:27] what about them? [00:28] they'll be replaced by the upgraded versions [00:28] not an issue [00:28] but all the ones i've installed from slackpackages [00:28] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] i would back up my configs and go with a clean install [00:28] :) [00:28] bird: you'll have to re-do those [00:29] of course, you don't *have* to upgrade anything if you'd rather not [00:29] does 13.0 offer something that you're not getting now? [00:30] if not.... [00:30] yeah, i guess that's true [00:30] i don't have a 64 bit processor [00:30] are you on 12.2 now? [00:31] yeah, just thought with all the buzz with 13.0, i should upgrade [00:31] well, as I said, if there's no pressing need to upgrade, why bother? [00:31] the "buzz" is the same as it always is with a new release [00:31] if you don't want to do it, don't. [00:32] there are bug fixes that don't make it into patches/packages [00:32] it is a lot of work to upgrade versions [00:32] takes me most of a day to get it done [00:32] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] yeah, reinstalling programs and dependencies would take me so long, i guess its more trouble than it's worth [00:33] that includes a new custom kernel and about 50+ Slackbuilds [00:33] bird: maybe you're better off waiting for 13.1 or 13.2 [00:33] dunno [00:33] well if you use /usr/src/ and such you can always move that [00:33] i just move build directory since i use all slackbuilds anyways [00:33] move it where? [00:34] /home since my /home is separate from my / [00:34] and what does that accomplish? [00:34] i just have to run slackbuilds at that point [00:34] it accomplishes not having to reconfigure them and download them all again [00:34] no, i usually delete all of the source files after i have compiled them. maybe i will upgrade once i upgrade my computer [00:35] really the "to upgrade or not to upgrade" is user preference [00:35] sorry, not trying to start an argument [00:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] I believe that's what I was telling him [00:36] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] danc3, ok, slap my forehead then please [00:36] won't do any good [00:38] I still don't get what good it is to move /usr/src to your home dir... you still have to download the latest source for whatever slackbuild you're doing, and why would you want to have an old kernel source tree from the previous Slack version...? [00:38] to me the xfce's power manager and luks mounter are worth it [00:38] go to slackbuilds.org and look at some of the 13.0 slackbuilds ... some stayed almost identical [00:38] yeah, the scripts did, but not the source code for the package [00:38] you'd think they'd change "tgz" to "txz" for example but they did not [00:39] TwinReverb: why would we? [00:39] you still need to DL the newer source version [00:39] moving /usr/src serves no purpose whatsoever [00:39] BP{k}, because the new package compression algo is more efficient with disk space? [00:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [00:39] (and also network bandwidth) [00:39] it is quite costly on the compression side [00:39] TwinReverb: 1) You can change that yourself by seting PKGTYPE in your shell startup script. 2) the new compression algorythm is more time consuming compressing. [00:39] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [00:39] sbo doesn't have the packages though twin [00:40] i know that [00:40] so you don't send a tgz or txz over the wire, just a bash script [00:40] TwinReverb: THUS it is more time wasting for us. if the user wants to build TXZ packages .. see point 1. [00:41] the other point would be to lock 13.0 packages from people using 12.2 [00:41] (to prevent others from accidentally doing silly stuff) [00:41] (except if these are binary packages, see firefox/skype/openoffice etc) [00:42] "lock" them? Huh? [00:42] if you're on 12.2 you probably won't be able to installpkg a txz [00:42] yes cause it's so much trouble for a user to go sed -i 's/txz/tgz/' [00:43] why stop ppl from downloading a package? they could be grabbing it for another machine [00:44] how will that make it possible for them to install something with a different compression algo? if it is Z and the script thinks it's gz it probably won't work [00:44] the compression is quite impressive but boy does it take a while [00:44] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:44] Action: TwinReverb hasn't noticed enough of a time difference [00:45] i compared compressing a full kernel tree, big difference [00:45] I prefer TGZ still, mostly because I'm used to it. By around 13.2 we'll be weaned off of that. [00:45] on what specs of a system? [00:45] hi people [00:46] it doesn't matter what system specs, it is relative [00:46] correct [00:46] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:46] so some people hold the package spec due to being used to it, and another adopts it because it's new. i don't really see how either side is right or wrong (sorry if that's how the discussion seemed to be going) but i figured adopting a feature pat took the time to code in would be our way of showing our appreciation [00:46] granted at this point it's moot [00:47] For us, it's a nobrainer and not worth discussion. We default to what will take the least amount of a user's time, and it's easy to change if desired. Everybody wins, except for those who whine. :) [00:47] as was already stated, if you want the SB's to make TXZ, it's trivial to modify the script to do that. [00:47] No need to even modify the script. [00:47] export PKGTYPE=txz [00:47] danc3: export PKGTYPE="txz" [00:47] heh, ok [00:47] rworkman: dang you :) [00:47] hehe [00:47] 00:39 < BP{k}> TwinReverb: 1) You can change that yourself by seting PKGTYPE in your shell startup script. [00:47] rworkman, maybe declare it at the top? [00:47] BP{k} made the point almost 10mins ago [00:48] (i'm assuming it isn't but let me look at a couple) [00:48] TwinReverb: no need. For anyone who cares, it should be obvious enough. [00:48] TwinReverb: are you not reading what's going by on your screen here...? [00:48] SlackBuilds.org -ENOKOTTP [00:49] danc3: s/reading/understanding/ [00:49] heh [00:49] Twin, you are right in that xz might parallelize more effectively than gzip, or maybe addressing affects it, i don't have enough hw to verify that but my hunch is it is raw umphh primarily [00:49] Action: TwinReverb shrugs "I just edit the slackbuild" [00:49] that's the hard way [00:49] [00:49] Translation: I just waste my time. :) [00:49] but you only have to do it once 8-) [00:49] jezuz [00:49] for each one [00:50] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [00:50] TwinReverb: seriously, what we suggest is *easier* [00:50] rworkman, where should i declear that then? /etc/profile ? [00:50] .bashrc would work [00:50] sigh [00:50] when TwinReverb gets to the stage, the "argument" is nearly over.... ;) [00:50] /root/.bashrc [00:50] ? [00:51] if i want to make it global ... [00:51] Well, yeah.. can't run the script as a meer mortal. [00:51] hey dangit i'm learning here! 8-D [00:51] I put it in /root/.bashrc and then source .bashrc from .profile [00:51] Action: BP{k} goes and edits ~/.irssi/savedcolours [00:51] learning is what it's al about [00:51] would that make me have to su - instead of su root ? [00:51] No, that will make it work both ways :) [00:51] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] just making sure because i knew about the difference in $PATH [00:52] Well, you probably want to use .bash_profile instead of .profile -- I use .profile because both bash and ksh will use it [00:52] rworkman, you realize i'm building a lot of your stuff over simply because i like txz ? 8-) [00:52] it's got nothing to do with $PATH [00:52] You should su - anyways [00:52] i highly doubt my "repository" will ever get used though 8-) [00:52] well sometimes txz is moot.. [00:52] the package sizes on some apps are so small.. who really cares if they are txz or not [00:53] Everyone has to learn by wasting their time. I was no exception, even if I didn't advertise it as much :) [00:53] rworkman, thanks [00:53] lol [00:53] hey come on i'm a perfectionist! 8-) [00:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:54] Action: rworkman still wonders who all thought he was a complete moron when he was announcing glibc rebuilds on AOLS :) [00:54] you guys have taught me tons so far, and i've taught it all to like at least 7 people here this year [00:54] TwinReverb: why aren't you coding your apps with assembly then? [00:54] devnix (n=devriza@HOST-58-65-240-86.isat.net.id) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Twin, pay it forward :> [00:54] danc3, because i am primarily a musician and an aircraft mechanic. i only have so much time left (plus i'm a family man) [00:54] i apologize for alluding to the worst movie ever [00:55] TwinReverb: can I get a list of the aircraft you work on. [00:55] mancha, it wasn't so bad, the one female actress (forgot her name) is beautiful [00:55] TwinReverb: you make an income as a musician? [00:55] and i think the AI kid is cool [00:55] BP{k}, F-117, F-16, CV-22 [00:55] oh okay .. not civilian .. thank god. [00:56] hell no, i'm a SSgt in USAF, 2A372 integrated avionics craftsman [00:56] TwinReverb: you make an income as a musician? [00:56] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:56] danc3, no but if i ever do i will leave military [00:56] i don't make income at it yet [00:56] you're not 5 or 7 yet?! [00:56] TwinReverb: what kind of music ? [00:56] ok, so you're a "hobbyist", not a "musician"... got it. [00:56] any chance of getting shipped off to a bad place or are you pretty set? [00:56] deco, christian [00:57] danc3, no i am a musician. don't confuse lack of time with lack of talent 8-) [00:57] TwinReverb: oh you use a lot of reverb ? :P [00:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:57] hehe [00:57] deco, reference to my Fender amp [00:57] nm, got my numbers backwards [00:58] TwinReverb: musician doesn not mean you get paid [00:58] TwinReverb: :D [00:58] deco, ref danc3 [00:58] TwinReverb: yeah should have [00:58] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) left irc: "leaving" [00:58] TwinReverb: I know about lack of time.... retired USN myself. [00:58] rworkman, haven't you noticed hits from south korea? 8-) [00:59] danc3, yeah good on ya, USN > civilian [00:59] I don't follow my weblogs as well as I should, I guess [00:59] Does the AF have CV-22s? [00:59] yes we do, not many, and they're outfitted much different than the marines MV-22s but yes we do [00:59] TwinReverb: i use ibanez guitars but i would love to have a carvin one day [00:59] ours are USAF special ops [00:59] TwinReverb: true, and USN > USAF.... ;) [00:59] danc3, 8-P [00:59] Action: TwinReverb stabs danc3 [00:59] firedix (n=firedix@host63.200-45-153.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [00:59] heh [00:59] Action: TwinReverb with an F-16 [01:00] that F16 would have been shot down already by an F/A-18 [01:00] Nick change: nullify_ -> nullify [01:00] i will stick with my m-14 (was the team designated marksman) [01:00] Beautiful rifle [01:00] *back to trolling* [01:00] danc3, that's why i'm stabbing you with it 8-P [01:00] it was served me well in iraq [01:00] grin [01:01] ok sorry for OTing this channel (see ##slackofftopic ) [01:01] rworkman, ping seo [01:01] i lvoe rworkman [01:01] kahm sahm nee dah [01:01] astroturfing [01:02] pff, the F16 would own an FA-18 in a dogfight :p [01:02] Action: danc3 eats some kim-chi [01:02] quasar: lol, not hardly [01:03] nothing beats the P-38 [01:03] except a tiger moth ;) [01:03] is that what Pappy Boyington flew, or was that the P-51? [01:04] Part` (i=partitio@archlinux/trusteduser/Part) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:06] the early part of his unit used the wildcat [01:08] pappy flew a corsair [01:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:09] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] ahhh yeah corsair. What was the "number" of the corsair? [01:10] danc3: the only way the FA-18 would win is if the pilot of the F-16 is stupid enough to let the FA-18 slow them down in the fight [01:10] quasar: hard to say, and it's one of those arguments that can't really be "won"... let's not bother. [01:10] F4U [01:10] ahh yes that was it, thx. [01:10] great show [01:11] yup [01:12] yes yes it can you take tom cruise and put him in one plane, then take tom cruise and redo the movie top gun... [01:12] well, the F-14 would have both of those others for lunch. Too bad they're all gone now. Phoenix missile FTW. [01:12] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-swwzuleatleolgcr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] devnix (n=devriza@HOST-58-65-240-86.isat.net.id) left ##slackware. [01:14] does anyone have a nice mozconfig for 3.0.x they'd share? [01:14] good missile, good use of tech for the day. [01:15] i know, lazy as hell, i'll admit it [01:16] i use 3.5 w/ ubiquity [01:16] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] any complaints? [01:17] nope [01:17] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] have they patched all their initial security blunders? [01:18] i haven't had any issues with it [01:19] kwrt (n=root@221.193.114.62) left irc: "leaving" [01:20] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:20] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:20] at least its not IE [01:24] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:24] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-28-84.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:25] bird (n=lee@pool-173-60-81-69.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:25] does anyone remember sandman1? [01:25] yes [01:25] mingdao, does he still frequent here? [01:25] what about him? [01:25] not that I know of [01:25] I thought he got banned [01:26] A long time ago, maybe couple years, he had falling out with others here. [01:26] And went to something like slackman or some such channel. [01:26] Ryan [01:26] I asked about him a couple months ago. [01:26] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:27] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:27] Aug 03 05:15:20 Whatever happened to Sandman? [01:28] ah [01:28] i think he might have fallen asleep... [01:28] Aug 03 05:34:49 yeah he shows up online from time to time [01:28] Aug 03 05:35:10 last i spoke with him he was doing volunteer work for anti-drug things [01:28] That was what I was told. [01:29] ah, well at least he didn't just disappear then [01:29] smart kid [01:30] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [01:30] some of his stuff is still up on slackwiki [01:31] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-119-118.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [01:32] so is dragon player a skin for mplayer or xine? [01:33] I'm confused, I read the wiki [01:33] phonon? [01:33] is it a completely new framework? Programmed from the ground up? [01:34] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.215.238.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] ok, I'm an idiot. Xine it is [01:34] RTFM [01:34] out of curiosity, does anybody have a working slackbuild/package for mythtv for slackware 13? [01:35] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:36] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.215.238.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:36] not on the site, i am sure you looked but i have been using some slack12.2 stuff on slack64 [01:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:39] with a little editing, you could probably use the slackbuild for 12.2 [01:40] but I don't know for sure [01:41] s/probably/can [01:42] echtts (n=echtts@189-18-129-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:43] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] blackorca: SlackWiki -> There has been a reset of the wiki. The database was corrupted. A few pages, all Talk/Discussion pages and all user accounts were lost. --Erik 23:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC) [01:43] Emeaudroide (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-71-217.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:43] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-71-217.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:44] mingdao, what about it? [01:44] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:44] hm. Interesting and weird. Does anyone know a "clean" way to force a particular PCI device to use a particular IRQ, on a running Linux system? [01:46] up until about 5 minutes ago, I was convinced that IRQ sharing for PCI devices was a solved problem... [01:47] blackorca: got the answer to the unasked question ... [01:48] mingdao, oh, I was wondering why you showed me that :P [01:48] I figured that anyway since all the pages' histories I looked at said that they were restored from "old" at some point [01:48] mingdao: you might find this interesting. http://www.nabble.com/mach64-kernel-modules-for-2.6.26-kernel-td22668419i20.html <--- look at the last post [01:49] foureyes779 (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [01:50] UrchLap: why? [01:50] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:51] cause you seem to be interested in low-level stuff (kernel hackery) [01:51] or am I confusing you with someone else? [01:51] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:51] yes and no [01:52] interested, but by no means any more than a novice ;) [01:52] fair enough [01:52] I'm convinced a kernel devel guy to sort of mentor me along [01:52] That is an interesting read ... have you tried it? [01:52] yah [01:52] and it actually works [01:53] I gave away 3 comps last year, so at the moment I'm low on raw testing boxen. [01:53] used to be, IRQ 5 was shared between the mach64 and the via686 (which I believe is the sound chip) [01:53] what works assigning interrupts? [01:53] And I don't like to do kernel work in a vm. [01:53] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [01:54] mancha: manually hacking driver source to hard-code the interrupt, actually fixed my kernel panicking problem with the mach64 dri driver [01:54] ah, i see. [01:55] mornin [01:55] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [01:55] I dunno what's responsible for assigning IRQs in a reasonably modern (2002-model) machine. Regular BIOS? ACPI? [01:55] or does the kernel decide? [01:55] what does /proc/interrupts show? [01:56] fErnando|w (i=960103@189.83.75.102) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:56] 2nd column [01:56] er, 4rd, can't count [01:56] 3rd! [01:56] it used to show IRQ 5 was used by both the sound chip and the vid card. And attempting to run any GL app more complex than glxgears caused a kernel panic [01:56] heh [01:57] that shoudl tell you if APIC is doing it or the kernel is doing it [01:57] ahh [01:57] they all say XT-PIC-XT [01:57] not here [01:57] which kernel UrchLap ? [01:58] 2.6.29.6 (the -huge kernel from slack 13, 32-bit) [01:58] what machine? [01:58] which BIOS? [01:59] but, the mach64 driver isn't part of the kernel proper, it's from freedesktop.org's git repo (probably never will get merged into the kernel, it has possible security issues, and nobody much cares about fixing it these days) [01:59] I have had some similar hardware issues. [01:59] i wish i had the patience for learning how to compile and write a kernel [01:59] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] compiling a kernel is easymode :) [02:00] omnipotentduo: it's not that hard ... and you can build in ~/ and come and go from the configuration [02:00] the machine's a sony vaio fxa49 laptop, from about 2002 [02:00] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] it's just a process of learning your hardware and all those esoteric terms [02:00] UrchLap: I had one of those. [02:01] I bought it in 2002 ... first laptop I ever bought, though I built my first PC in 84. [02:01] mingdao: it's lasted pretty well. I've gone through 2 batteries though :( [02:01] In 2003 I started running Linux on it. [02:01] actually it had the *weirdest* issue with one of the batteries: [02:01] It kept overheating and shutting down. [02:02] I didn't know why, and when I learned the fan was being cut on, it was too late. [02:02] Burned the southbridge chip. [02:02] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) left irc: [02:02] when this one particular battery was in either of the slots, about every 3rd or 4th keystroke failed to register. This happened in Linux, in a DOS boot disk, and in the BIOS setup itself [02:02] i built my first computer in 1994, when i was in grade school, and started with linux when slack 9.1 came out [02:02] then i got a 64bit processor [02:03] UrchLap: I think I still have two sticks of memory from it. [02:03] mingdao: hm. Wonder why I never had that problem? This thing has been 100% linux since it was new [02:03] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: "leaving" [02:03] I was running Debian. [02:03] And didn't know jack about it. [02:04] I tried DeadRat back in 1999, and couldn't stand it. [02:04] Then again in 2003, with DeadRat 9.0. [02:04] jesus that's a distro i haven [02:04] Still couldn't stand it. [02:04] t head of ever [02:05] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Then I started running Debian, and would probably still be if I knew you could compile from source. [02:05] But that apt-get ran me away. [02:05] To Slackware ... and I've been here ever since. [02:05] short time though [02:05] omnipotentduo: that was 9.1, iirc [02:05] omnipotentduo: perhaps he means RedHat? [02:06] I was still trying to figure out "distro haven" [02:06] ;) [02:06] lostnhell (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] DeadRat is slang for RedHat ... sorry omnipotentduo [02:07] By the way ... are there two of you in there? [02:07] omnipotent duo ? [02:07] i ran from slack when i couldn't figure out how to install programs, so when ubuntu was released in beta i moved to it, still couldn't figure it out, then i learned what a terminal was, then started my quest [02:07] now that slack64 is out i am in the sack with slack again [02:08] heh, last time I used a debian box, it was broken. "apt-get install slackware" didn't work :( [02:08] I looked at a couple of other distros with 64-bit ports while waiting for alienBOB to get Slackware64 on the street. [02:09] I don't see how those people can stand such things as openSUSE ... package manager distros. [02:09] i needed to be spoon fed for a little while while i learned what the hell a command line was [02:09] i like package managers i dont like non modular distros [02:10] "get slackware64 on the street"... somehow I have a mental image of a Tux penguin smoking a pipe, leaning against a lamppost, saying "you wanna have a good time, baby?" [02:10] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [02:11] UrchLap: that's about it, eh? [02:11] haha, i was thinking something along the lines of tux stepping out of a honda and looking at a gt40 and going nice, but it's not free [02:12] so what the heck is XT-PIC-XT in /proc/interrupts supposed to mean? Means "legacy" PnP BIOS assigned the IRQs? [02:12] UrchLap: next time I'm in the States I should send you this memory. It was only used maybe 15 months. [02:12] UrchLap: sounds correct [02:13] humm how to partition this new installation of 13.0 :/ [02:13] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] lf4: 2100M swap; 100M /boot; 15G /; the rest ~/ [02:14] y0 slackers..How's everyone? [02:14] o.O [02:14] hey MLanden [02:14] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:14] hi [02:14] y0,lf4 [02:14] XT-PIC is pre-APIC interrupt controller [02:14] mingdao: why 100MB for boot instead of just putting that in /? [02:14] y0,echtts [02:14] mingdao: hmm, I wonder whether I have 1x 512M or 2x 256M in here [02:15] lostnhell (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:15] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] How is everything going MLanden? [02:15] lf4: old habit ... like to save /boot over reinstalls? [02:15] Goint' great,lf4 [02:16] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [02:16] MLanden: good to hear. :) ; mingdao: I see, that make some sense. [02:16] :) [02:18] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [02:19] mancha: hm. So is there a clean/safe/sane way to do what I want? I want to tell the video chip what IRQ to use, or at least tell the BIOS "when you're handing out IRQ assignments, don't share IRQs"... I had 3 or 4 unused IRQs, yet the video & sound were sharing IRQ 5 [02:20] mancha: do I have to go use the stupid BIOS setup menu and manually assign everything (assuming it'll let me)? [02:20] I thought we finished with the IRQ stuff like 10 years ago [02:21] you can code this in [02:22] Action: omnipotentduo thought IRQ's were still being used (more so with the more complex mobo's) [02:22] brx|exOtik (n=T_Guest@189.62.149.174) joined ##slackware. [02:22] How are people liking ext4 so far? [02:22] Nick change: brx|exOtik -> rasgadO [02:23] while i am thinking about it, is it normal to have to remove the batt jumper to get linux to boot? [02:23] mancha: eh? [02:23] i like ext4 [02:23] its like reiserFS on crack [02:23] lol nice [02:23] guess I'll try it out on this system :) [02:24] "on crack" usually means something bad... [02:24] the driver can request it [02:24] file transfers are much faster also, however it can be a bit touchy on the occasion, not yet [02:25] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] for me atleast some people say they have had one or two problems [02:25] UrchLap: lol i've always seen people say "on crack" as in its crazy (good). [02:25] but NEVER use your / or /boot secotors [02:25] morning :) [02:25] sectors* [02:25] omnipotentduo: What do you mean? [02:25] mornin' ,Camarade_Tux [02:25] Morning Camarade_Tux [02:25] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-28-84.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [02:25] dunno that's what i keep hearing [02:26] Camarade_Tux [02:26] there's that dataloss thing because of delayed writes [02:26] omnipotentduo: What do you mean by never use your / or /boot/ lol meaning never format them to ext4? [02:26] mancha: right. But if the driver *doesn't* request it (contains no code to request it, just uses whatever the BIOS assigned)...? [02:26] Urch, it's been a while but i coded something about this some years back, let me flip through my files [02:26] yesyes: it has delay writes? how come I thought it was suppost to be faster. [02:27] well, that does make it faster, i believe. [02:27] lf4: yes, from what i hear one should stay with the old ext2/3 [02:27] mancha: I edited the driver to hardcode the IRQ to 11 (which used to be unused) [02:27] echtts (n=echtts@189-18-129-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [02:27] ah ok, so it works now? [02:27] lf4: http://www.h-online.com/open/Ext4-data-loss-explanations-and-workarounds--/news/112892 this [02:27] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:27] echtts (n=echtts@189-18-129-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:28] it is a journaling file system [02:28] yeah, but hard-coding the IRQ number as a compile-time constant isn't really ideal [02:28] rufoz (n=chemical@189.4.70.49) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "standard modulation for sleep mode..." [02:28] have it a module parameter then [02:28] humm ok i'll stick with ext2/3 for now. [02:28] used to be: p->irq = dev->pdev->irq; [02:28] now it's: p->irq = dev->pdev->irq = 11; [02:28] modprobe mydriver irq=xyz [02:28] yeah [02:29] but is there no general-purpose way to do it, for any given PCI device? [02:29] hrmmm, something like fbsd's boot.hints? [02:29] possibly (not entirely sure what boot.hints does) [02:29] omnipotentduo, what problems? [02:29] er, device.hints, sorry [02:29] (ext4) [02:30] Action: foureyes779 oh great... [02:30] Urch: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/device-hints.html [02:30] rasgadO (n=T_Guest@189.62.149.174) left irc: [02:31] Action: TwinReverb has had no known problems with ext4 so far [02:31] TwinReverb: i am going off what i have heard, some people (only in the ~buntu world) have had issues with ext4 in their boot sectors, i haven't had issues [02:31] but its only in the ~buntu worlds, that's it. [02:31] if its only ubuntu then that wont matter to much lol [02:31] believe half of what you see and none of what you hear [02:31] I know at least one person in here reported data loss during a power failure [02:31] besides, ubuntu is the african word for unstable 8-) [02:32] mancha: yeah, assuming that changing the IRQ number in device.hints actually makes the card use the new IRQ (instead of just making the kernel try to use the new IRQ while the card uses the old one) [02:32] data loss during power failure will affect anyone running a journalled FS that caches heavily [02:32] ref XFS [02:32] the solution is to use UPS and have backups [02:32] Has there been a succinct resolution to the long commit delay in ext4 yet? It's important for mobile systems. [02:32] Action: foureyes779 setup both / and /home as EXT4 [02:32] (or if you own a laptop, you're pretty much already good to go) [02:32] TwinReverb: i hear ya [02:33] A laptop battery is not a UPS. [02:33] i am using ext4 on my raid partitions for data [02:33] Action: TwinReverb sees no commit delay on mobile systems in ext4 ... in fact he increases the commit to 30 minutes [02:33] mancha: I keep thinking there ought to be a /proc file... [02:33] antiwire, there is no such thing as a truly uninterruptible power supply if you count acts of God 8-) [02:34] it's a battery backup, should be fine. i've only had one battery fail on me and i've used laptops since 2000 [02:34] apparently there ain't though [02:34] my experience != reality, true, but still, i haven't noticed a problem [02:35] is that normal the difference of perf between luks or not : hdparm -t /dev/sdb1 = 91MB/s ; hdparm -t /dev/mapper/crypt_sdb1 = 15MB/s ? [02:35] TwinReverb, my dad took a couple of marine batts and set them up with an ups we timed how long they lasted with an old 21" CRT monitor and his computer it ran for nearly 13 days [02:35] Thom1, i thought hdparm -tT used direct writes not through FS but i could be wrong [02:35] omnipotentduo, awesome lol [02:35] TwinReverb, I tried with /dev/sdb but i don't know how to test with luks [02:36] Urch, I don't know [02:36] linXea (n=e@130.238.116.231) joined ##slackware. [02:36] TwinReverb, it is, the cool thing is he has the same set up only now he is using optimas [02:36] and perf with /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 are the same [02:36] http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 nice article on ext4. seems nice. but i'm happy with ext3's performance. [02:37] yesyes: i used xfs, then reiserfs now '4 [02:38] Thom1, i don't think you can [02:39] fair enough. if i knew 4 was a lot faster than 3 for desktop use i may upgrade, but i've never heard anything like that. [02:39] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [02:39] TwinReverb, and you think this perf lost is normal ? [02:39] i am very happy with ext4's performance. in benchmarks on a 1GB SD card of actions i take during the day (kernels, upgradepkg, etc) it blew most out of the water, and is faster than XFS which was my defacto standard at the time [02:39] Thom1: Test the filesystem IO by using dd [02:39] Thom1: test it before LUKS and after LUKS [02:39] speaking of FS's anyone ever have a fragment issue with any of the EXT family? i have heard of people having problems with that. [02:40] Thom1, no i don't, i said i think it goes to HARDWARE not software, shouldn't touch LUKS or LVM [02:40] omnipotentduo (or anyone else who knows)... are there any issues with modern UPSes, swapping the batteries for higher-capacity ones? The onboard CPU doesn't get confused or anything? [02:40] If you write files to the FS instead of using hdparm you certainly can test it. [02:40] antiwire, ok i'll test when my backups finished [02:41] UrchLap, dunno this was done on an ups built in the late 90's, me personally i would never hook an ups up and take over one of my needed USB ports [02:41] but hdparm wants a device not a FS iirc [02:41] yep, it says hdparm [flags] [device] [02:42] UrchLap: here is a decent article on hacking it, http://catbear.livejournal.com/186573.html [02:42] omnipotentduo, get a usb hub 8-) [02:42] UrchLap: here is a better one: http://hackaday.com/2009/08/28/beef-up-your-ups/ [02:43] Thom1: Also, The performance hit you will take depends on the system. Which CPU are you using? [02:43] antiwire, sempron 2800 [02:43] TwinReverb: heh all 4 of my PCIe's are filled with 6 USB ports and 2 vid cards, and the 6 on the mobo are full [02:44] rufoz (n=chemical@189.4.70.49) joined ##slackware. [02:44] oh this is a desktop [02:44] well you can still put some on a laptop-style usb hub [02:44] i am debating about the new phenomII's [02:44] pick items that have low bandwidth and slap 'em on the hub [02:45] TwinReverb, i could but i love my coke fridge [02:45] ?! lol [02:45] hmm, well one advantage of ext4 is an online defragmentation tool it seems. [02:46] i'm not sure to what extent 3 is fraged though. [02:46] antiwire, maybe too old, don't you think ? [02:46] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [02:46] i used to defrag my xfs partitions via cron job [02:46] TwinReverb, i am working on a couple ideas about CPU cooling [02:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:46] omnipotentduo: I wasn't talking about USB ports... I meant, the on-board electronics might be hard-wired to charge the battery for a certain time, and sticking a bigger battery in there, might need to charge longer (but it won't do it) [02:47] UrchLap, ahh, no issues i have seen provided the UPS batteries that came with are a 12v system [02:48] TwinReverb: when i have the money i am going to get around 12 gallons of mineral oil and submerge my compy for cooling [02:48] Action: TwinReverb would advise against that [02:48] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:48] TwinReverb, why is that? [02:48] because there are ways to work around that at the hardware level (the problem of performance versus cooling) [02:49] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-213.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] but you may not like them [02:49] Action: yesyes has found out about filefrag [02:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] dunno how bad 4 extents is, though.... [02:49] yesyes: You can defrag directories by just tar and gzip'ing them, delete the original and then extract the tarball again [02:50] take care,slackers...happy tweakin' [02:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-149-228.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:50] ah, thanks for the tip, antiwire [02:50] doesn't that require enough space anti? [02:50] well yeah... [02:51] How can I sed -i -e 's///' where there is new lines? [02:51] TwinReverb, i am just talking about my MoBo, not anything else, i know hardware updates/grades are not an option after trying to submerging but i want to see how efficient it is; and i dont like phase change systems, too much condensation. [02:51] enough contiguous, i mean [02:53] How can I sed -i -e 's///' whats that do? replace empty with empty? :) [02:53] omnipotentduo: OK, then I think I'm going to frankenstein my crappy belkin UPS with dead batteries [02:53] make sure its a 12v system [02:53] mancha, comments out three lines [02:53] if it's 24V, just means get 2 12V and wire in series [02:53] yep [02:53] if it's 6V, I guess I could use a motorcycle battery [02:54] with C style comments "//" ? [02:54] those are C++ style comments [02:54] also an old tractor bat that has been referbed. [02:54] does anyone know how soon the new slackbook is coming out? [02:54] you would need to s/^/\/\// [02:54] What the heck is that thing which replaced tux for the console?!?! [02:54] or s,//,, [02:54] TUZ ! [02:55] yeah or s$^$//$ [02:55] lol quasar are you joking? *going to google it now* [02:55] eh, wait, which are we doing, commenting or uncommenting? [02:55] commenting [02:55] not at all [02:55] s,^,//, [02:55] or really any character, IIRC sed ain't picky [02:56] not overly [02:56] perl lets you s{foo}{bar} or s [02:57] lol interesting quasar :) thanks. [02:57] np [02:59] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:00] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:03] i wonder how one of these would work on a CPU die, http://www.everythingusb.com/usb_beverage_chiller.html [03:04] the thing that makes me wonder is condensation [03:04] does it heat faster with usb3? [03:04] i mean cool [03:05] blackorca (n=blackorc@70.4.17.31) left irc: "Leaving" [03:05] subchee (n=chatzill@dsl51B7AD34.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [03:05] hello [03:05] subchee: hello [03:05] heh, maybe with increasing voltage and doubling the data transfer speed.... [03:05] hey [03:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430602.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:07] omnipotentduo: peltiers are commonly used on CPUs to keep them cool for overclocking, however due to the massive amoutn fo heat that one side outputs they usually have to setup watercooling to efficiently transfer the heat. [03:08] I'd like to ask you guys about that my Atheros wifi card. Is the new release support AtherosAR5001 (mini PCI Express) out of box or I should complie the Madwifi driver? [03:08] *compile [03:08] the new release has a maure ath5k kernel driver [03:08] people here say it is solid [03:08] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-iezgujxzdtlwehee) joined ##slackware. [03:08] mfillpot, i did not know the other side puts out heat, although it would make sense... [03:08] maure=mature, not manure [03:08] subchee: I dunno about that specific card, but I do know slack 12.2 needed madwifi to work with my pcmcia wireless card, but in 13.0, ath5k works fine [03:08] :) [03:09] sounds good :) [03:09] thank you for the answer [03:09] omnipotentduo: if you are looking at using a peltier check out http://www.crazypc.com/products/peltiercoolers.html [03:09] Urch, and i take it ath5k is in the default kernel? [03:09] mancha: yes [03:09] subchee, you should be good then out of the box [03:09] mancha: MY ath runs perfectly out of the box on 13.0 [03:10] in 12.2, my card sort-of worked (it would connect, but every minute or so it would freeze up for a few seconds, and even when not frozen it was very slow) [03:10] JosyR (n=JRosy@adsl-75-35-186-195.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] er, in 12.2 with the standard driver (ath5k), I mean. [03:10] mfillpot, i will stick with my original plan of using mineral oil [03:11] Nick change: shadowx -> xwodahs [03:11] mineral oil? for what? [03:13] urchlap, submerge the mother board and use it to keep the die from getting hot spots, and breaking the soldier points [03:14] subchee: what's the usb id of that card? [03:14] even cooling/heat distribution [03:14] http://imgur.com/gallery/CQoF [03:14] does the new k3b version have that trumpet at the end of burns? [03:14] UrchLap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok [03:14] I'm about to find out [03:15] oh, it started to play, then stopped [03:15] hahahahahahah quasar [03:15] another question: what about Ati (integrated) VGA cards? is there a built-in default driver for it? [03:15] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:15] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:16] subchee, it has the radeon and radeonhd drivers, what ati card do you have? [03:16] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] x200m [03:16] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] subchee: pretty much all ATI cards will at least work & give you good 2D performance. Some of them will give halfway decent 3D, but most don't (you'd want the ATI proprietary driver in that case) [03:17] alisonken1home, you using verizon's fios? [03:18] echtts (n=echtts@189-18-129-245.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [03:18] quasar: http://imgur.com/gallery/C4r2 [03:19] jeev: win [03:19] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:19] omnipotentduo: why are you asking about fios? [03:20] okay, thanks :) [03:20] mfillpot: curious about other's performance with it, mine rocks so i was wondering how others like it [03:20] omnipotentduo: it is rock solid, I've only had two outages since feb [03:21] mfillpot: where about you located, i am in the dallas area, i have yet to have an outage *knock on wood* [03:21] milfpot eh [03:22] Action: i_is_cat gets ideas [03:22] omnipotentduo: I am in norfolk, VA the outages I had were when they were rewiring a hub to add other neighborhoods [03:22] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Quiznos: get your head in here, omnipotentduo needs some wood. :P [03:23] mfillpot: only maint thats good, how about your connection speed, i usually linger around 24Mbps [03:24] omnipotentduo: that is one of the drawbacks to being one since day 1 .. the speed is in the same area, it is very constant which beats cable to the dirt. [03:25] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-iezgujxzdtlwehee) left irc: "Page closed" [03:25] mfillpot: yes yes it does, when i was in iraq we had sat internets and they sucked then i get home and out of the army and jumped in the sac with verizon [03:27] here is my speedtest result .. http://www.speedtest.net/result/558669642.png [03:28] Action: TwinReverb wonders if speed tests are accurate [03:29] i test speed by downloading something from a source that i can know isn't saturated [03:29] sup TwinReverb [03:29] openoffice, kernels, stuff like that, or sustained stuff up/down stream like from my ssh login at puresimplicity.net [03:29] nix_chix0r, nothing much, how are you? [03:30] TwinReverb: It's not entirely accurate because the servers could be bogged with additional traffic drawing bandwidth, then some servers don't even move traffic as fast as my connection, but those are very noticable [03:30] pimptastic thank [03:30] you [03:30] mfillpot, true [03:30] JRosy (n=JRosy@adsl-75-37-158-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [03:30] but the speedtest servers could be bogged too [03:31] they commonly are [03:31] TwinReverb: yes they can, my best downloads are experienced from the utah slackware mirror server. [03:31] i hit 25.92 down and 21.04 up [03:31] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:33] omnipotentduo: that is quite nice, running fiber in dallas sets you right on the backbone. 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[03:34] well i am gonna crash for a couple hours [03:35] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_sleep [03:35] anything is better than cox customer service [03:35] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-213.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:36] mfillpot: I disagree, though I dont have residental service [03:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] I dropped cox when a recorded voice told me I would have to pay $5 to speak with a human [03:37] quasar: in the two years I had cox I couldn't get any answers out of them , the most knowledgable person I spoke to with them was the person I returned my dvr to. [03:38] but as a warning, the verizon people are lazy it took some work to get the installation done on the day I scheduled, and I've heard the same from others. [03:38] ah, I'm only talking about internet.. buiness line.. they gave me a direct line to a technician that I've only had to call once (at 3am, he said he'd make a call and if it wasn't fixed within 20min he'd come out -- it was fixed) [03:38] quasar: that was nice [03:39] Jully (n=jullyend@201-41-199-97.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:39] worst customer service I've ever experienced was with TMobile [03:40] anyone ever gotten a wacom tablet to work with slackware? [03:40] had 2 cellphones with them at one time.. called in to get nights+weekends put on them but the rep only put it on one of the phones.. then I got a $1026 bill the next month and they refused to correct it [03:42] quasar: that has to be hard to handle, I bet you dropped them right away [03:42] yep [03:42] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [03:43] wtf [03:43] there ought to be a way to tell the company "cut off my service immediately if my outstanding balance ever goes above $500, because if that happens, I won't be able to afford to pay you" [03:43] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [03:43] http://imgur.com/gallery/8ipZx [03:43] that's such a cool picture [03:44] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:46] jeev: lol! :P [03:46] ugh, WTF was I thinking. Brought crimps and ends when I moved here, but the big box o' cat5 is in the storage space :( [03:47] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:47] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:48] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.7.246) joined ##slackware. [03:48] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [03:48] lolol http://imgur.com/gallery/Siwq4 [03:50] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:51] http://imgur.com/AOqVW [03:51] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:51] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.248) joined ##slackware. [03:52] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) joined ##slackware. [03:53] heh [03:56] lol morons http://imgur.com/gallery/udguq [03:56] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:56] ahahhahahahahahahaha http://imgur.com/gallery/jxe8a [03:57] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pvbncuenoeexoxne) joined ##slackware. [03:57] hey slackers, i have a problem with cpu frequency scaling. I use slackware 12.2 with a freshly made 2.6.30.5 kernel. I've included cpu freq scaling, my default governor is ondemand and now i'm stuck at 1200 MHz per core (Pentium T4200) Any hints? [03:58] http://imgur.com/gallery/mcow2 [04:01] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: No route to host [04:01] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A5090.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] hi [04:01] all [04:01] hi jekkt [04:02] lol tewmten [04:02] how can i change between channels in irssi? [04:02] Alt + # of window to switch too [04:02] alt-window#. alt-2 for window 2 [04:03] thx [04:03] Urchlay_ (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] and, ctrl-n, ctrl-p for next-prev windows [04:03] killall -9 Urchlay [04:03] nickserv ghost [04:03] you didn't die, you fail. :) [04:03] not regged with nickserv [04:04] why Urchlay_ why [04:04] if I were doing anything like opping a channel I'd feel a need to register [04:04] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:04] but all I do is connect and chat in this one channel [04:05] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [04:05] Nick change: Urchlay_ -> Urchlay [04:05] hahahahah http://imgur.com/gallery/G8n [04:05] i almost did a /nick Urchlay [04:05] shoulda known stoopid netgear router couldn't handle me switching from wireless to wired without losing track of NAT'ed connections [04:06] jeev: http://imgur.com/gallery/Juc [04:06] :D:D [04:06] yeah. But you didn't, because this channel is populated by civilized humans [04:06] oh my god lol http://imgur.com/gallery/EitK [04:07] yes [04:07] ugh, so wired networking is working fine, but now I have to put my room back together :( [04:08] had to move the bed to get to the spot where the hole in the wall needs to be [04:08] and had to toss my own room, to find crimping tool [04:08] lol. just lol http://imgur.com/gallery/1N7t [04:08] can you tell I *really* hate wireless? [04:09] jeev: hahaha, what the.... :P [04:10] http://imgur.com/gallery/DREp [04:10] bwhahahha [04:11] lol [04:11] but the best was the truck [04:11] http://imgur.com/gallery/jxe8a [04:11] that one was the funniest [04:11] haha, yeah, I've seen that one before. :P [04:11] thanks for sharing [04:11] when you had seen it [04:11] should've shown me [04:12] haha, that was like a month or so ago. I think I showed it to someone here, I don't think you were around at the time. :P [04:12] ok next time message it [04:14] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: "I bid you farewell, Gentlemen." [04:15] later turds [04:15] pass out time [04:15] lame [04:16] wrong channel sorry [04:17] I meant to say that in another channel* [04:18] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [04:18] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [04:18] =] [04:18] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [04:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:21] woot got chromium working [04:22] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) joined ##slackware. [04:23] siimo: much faster than ff? [04:23] yesyes: yeah definately [04:26] as soon as theres a adblock+ equivalent ill switch [04:26] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:26] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [04:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:30] siimo, all those symlinks i suggested or anotherway? [04:33] yeah i had to do that + install gconf which isnt pkged in slack but got it from slackbuilds [04:33] it needs orbit2 as well [04:33] IceW (n=sartori@189-18-160-223.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:34] right, gconf uses orbit2 [04:35] you got a .deb and extracted it, right? [04:36] no got nightly chromium build [04:36] link? [04:36] http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux/25597/chrome-linux.zip [04:37] unzip and run ./chrome [04:37] thanks. wasn't able to navigate toit, my google-fu is lacking [04:38] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-pvbncuenoeexoxne) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:39] they're not going to open it, are they... [04:39] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [04:40] gconf :-( [04:40] open what [04:40] the code [04:40] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:40] the code is open [04:40] always has been [04:40] orly! [04:40] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/ [04:40] Action: mancha sudenly gets very interested [04:41] the project is called chromium, google uses their own artwork in their builds, chromium uses similar pokeball but a blue one [04:41] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:42] but that build is pre-compiled, right? [04:42] yes [04:43] now anyone know what package Firefox needs to determine how to open various files when i click a link? its some gnome package i cant remember [04:44] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [04:46] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:47] don't know if you mean libidl, but if so thats already in orbit2 [04:48] evo- (n=evo@p4FD29868.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:48] well i have orbit2 and still broken firefox [04:49] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:50] hmm [04:50] ./chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [04:50] ? [04:50] create symlinks from whereever it is [04:50] i dont have it [04:50] slackware call them .so with no 1d [04:51] install seamonkey-solibs-1.1.17-i486-1 [04:51] hmm [04:51] or firefox [04:51] seamonkey-solibs-1.1.17-x86_64-1 [04:51] i have that [04:51] :p [04:51] i guess it doenst have those files in 64 bit [04:53] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:53] are you using the 32bit firefox from slackware? [04:53] oh wait they are in usr/lib64/seamonkey-1.1.17/libnss3.so [04:53] im using 64bit everythng [04:53] i mean siimo :) [04:54] i am using 32bit slackware [04:54] only have 3gb ram no need for 64bit right now [04:54] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:54] well the ff binary that slakcware officially distribures is fully static [04:55] you don't need additional stuff [04:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:56] oh no im not using that [04:57] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:57] is there a bot here using xchat on Slackware 13 ? [04:58] Bots not allowed here [04:58] got to check for japanese caracters are supported [04:58] fed up recompiling it :P [04:59] hmmm [04:59] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:59] ./chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so.1d: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 [04:59] wtf does that mean [04:59] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [04:59] means it needs 32 bit libraries [04:59] ah it needs libgnome.. i aint installing it cos that needs gnome-vfs that needs GConf2, gnome-mime-data, libbonobo [04:59] you are telling me they made 32bit only browser ? [04:59] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:59] how stupid is that :p [04:59] evo- (n=evo@p4FD29868.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [05:00] :) [05:01] one good is enough, two bloated is sh!t [05:02] Chrome font rendering looks a lot smoother than firefox for some reason [05:02] capone: 64bit is done too bt you will have to build from source [05:02] they didnt have it until recently cos the V8 Javascript engine's JIT was not compatible with it [05:03] did you rebuild your freetypes? [05:04] yeah i did im using BCI [05:04] but firefox still looks kinda different [05:04] ff is not using them [05:04] hmm? [05:05] J [05:05] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Operation timed out [05:05] im using official firefox it should be using it and it is, it just looks a little bit less dark than chrome [05:05] J < can you see the caracters in xchat ? [05:05] (on slackware 13) [05:05] mohaa: i can in pidgin [05:06] pidgin looks ok [05:06] thanks siimo [05:06] blackula__ (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [05:06] ok, where did you get your ff from? [05:06] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:06] but I am mad xhat would not [05:06] mancha: mozilla.org [05:07] mohaa: i can see those characters fine on slackware 13 64bit in Xchat [05:07] siimo so you compiled it yourself? [05:07] no they make binaries too [05:07] yes, which is my original point [05:07] capone, original xchat or a recompiled one ? [05:07] install it in ~ and you can even do automatic updates [05:08] yeah but they support BCI [05:08] mohaa original xchat [05:10] siimo: where do i get 64bit one then? [05:11] moks107 (n=shim@84.255.139.245) joined ##slackware. [05:12] capone: you will need to get source and compile it yourself [05:12] yeah but where is the source, i dont see shit on their website [05:12] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxChromium64 [05:12] i already saw taht [05:12] oki thanks capone [05:12] Camarade_Tux, -_- [05:13] oui ? : D [05:13] also refer to http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions [05:14] siimo: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php [05:14] does that apply to cromium aswell ? [05:14] chromium* [05:14] i dont know [05:14] but chromium is open source so you can check it [05:14] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.4) left irc: "Leaving" [05:16] what is(are) the advangate(s) of chromium? [05:17] its alpha/beta so you get to break your pc by using it ? :p [05:17] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-unesxerztqwdubus) joined ##slackware. [05:18] it is pretty stable for a alpha [05:18] also its multi process so if one tab crashes or runs slow your whole browser doesnt go down with it [05:19] capone, because people like helping by testing [05:21] seems the current builds hemorrhage private info (intentioanlly for dev purposes surely) [05:21] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-139-126.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:21] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) joined ##slackware. [05:22] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.139) joined ##slackware. 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[05:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.248) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:40] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:41] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [05:41] KMFDM better than the best, megalomaniacal and harder than the rest! [05:41] Action: quasar dances [05:41] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [05:42] lio_013 (n=ahmed@196.205.14.137) joined ##slackware. [05:42] i configure samba as in this tutorial http://www.foogazi.com/2006/11/01/simple-samba-slackware-setup/ [05:43] i can access my slack from windows [05:43] but when i browse from dolphine i cannot see other windows pc [05:43] my machine is slackware 13 [05:43] blacknaml (n=blacknam@fm-ip-118.137.115.185.fast.net.id) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:43] do you have anything shared in windows? [05:43] at least i have printer [05:44] and default shared folder [05:44] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) left irc: Client Quit [05:44] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.53) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:44] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.27) joined ##slackware. [05:44] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [05:45] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.7.246) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.248) joined ##slackware. [05:45] so you haven't enabled sharing on any other folders/drives? [05:46] let me check [05:46] subchee (n=chatzill@dsl51B7AD34.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: "bye" [05:47] i did [05:47] and nothing [05:48] quasar has a good taste in music ;-) [05:48] when i click on samba shares shortcut in dolphine it only show me the group that i set in global sectoin of smb.conf [05:48] Action: quasar bows [05:48] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.102.10) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [05:49] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:49] have you tried mounting the share manually to see if you get an error? [05:50] no how can i do that [05:50] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:51] also the section samba at kde system setting is disabled [05:51] i cannot edit any text field [05:55] u still there quasar [05:56] you're not running X as root would be my guess behind that, and you can mount them using the mount command (ie: mount //server/share /path/to/mntpoint -o username=blah,password=blah) [05:57] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A5090.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:57] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:59] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: "Leaving" [06:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:00] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.9.147) joined ##slackware. [06:01] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:01] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [06:02] should i leave //server/share as it is [06:03] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/mounting-samba-share-11439/ [06:07] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.9.147) left irc: Client Quit [06:08] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A5090.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] btn (n=benny@ppp118-208-222-53.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.193.82) joined ##slackware. [06:15] lio_013 (n=ahmed@196.205.14.137) left ##slackware. [06:15] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [06:17] you're probably better off mounting them like that anyway.. I'm reading that dolphin copies a selected file to /tmp instead of mounting the share.. which could cause issues with large files (both in read time and disk space) [06:18] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [06:19] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [06:20] btn (n=benny@ppp118-208-222-53.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:24] Thom1_ (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:24] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [06:24] Nick change: Thom1_ -> Thom1 [06:25] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:26] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:27] Stanto (n=S@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:30] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. 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[06:54] rob0: its definitely MS.. everything checks out right down to the SPF records [06:55] is your company in strict compliance with MS licenses? [06:56] (that's probably not easy, if it's even possible) [06:56] thing is it says (paraphrased) "you are legally required to carry out a licence review within a reasonable time after we request one. This is a legal requirement because it's part of all Volume Licensing agreements" [06:56] (unless you dump MS altogether of course) [06:56] but all our MS shit is OEM or retail [06:56] ahh ... that sucks [06:56] well then they are full of excrement [06:57] send 'em a bill [06:57] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.193.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:57] well.. yeah.. which is why im considering a formulated reply asking them to detail what VLAs they believe we have that would require us to undergo a review) [06:57] Even the time you spend on that reply is compensable [06:58] Even the time you spend HERE [06:58] start the clock [06:58] you cant bill someone for sending you an email :) as much as Id like to [06:59] You can bill them because they are requesting (demanding) action from you. [06:59] under a contract that did not exist ... you make it exist under YOUR terms [07:00] just send them a contract proposal with reasonable terms of acceptance [07:00] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-171-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:00] probably ought to involve the sharks in this, if you have them [07:02] Terms of acceptance: "any further demands for Volume Licensing agreement enforcement signify acceptance of this contract." [07:04] rob0 you are from poland? [07:05] http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/log/posts/debtree_0.7.3_-_Oh_what_tangled_webs_we_weave.html ! :o [07:05] rob0: i have no sharks :( [07:06] Action: Zordrak could do with some sharks :/ [07:06] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] nah, you'll be okay [07:06] jekkt: no [07:07] I think for the moment the best action to take is none [07:07] i wall see what further contact they make [07:07] that one's okay too, but do tell the boss [07:08] forwarded to him aieddy [07:08] they COULD come at you with a subpoena, unlikely, but possible [07:08] indeed.. but a theyd need more than one ignored contact for a court to issue a warrant [07:09] ha, don't count on courts to do anything right [07:09] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.50) joined ##slackware. [07:10] has to go to MS legals first anyway [07:12] Jeff1 (n=Orland@77.247.172.246) joined ##slackware. [07:13] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Jeff1 (n=Orland@77.247.172.246) left ##slackware. [07:15] rob0: new topic :) -- what do yau think of a 98.99% SLA for a business ISP providing fibre? [07:15] seems a little low.. gives them four full days a year [07:15] 1.01% downtime could be painful :) [07:15] yes [07:15] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-139-126.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:16] but.. each incident has 2hr response, 4hr fix [07:16] which means lots of incidents to compensate :P [07:16] (this is a proposal for a replacement for our current after they bought out the old supplier) [07:16] Generally anyone offering a SLA is intending to get 99.99999% [07:17] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:17] i guess so. [07:17] they just need breathing room [07:17] three nines would be a nice figure though [07:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.9.147) joined ##slackware. [07:18] three 9's meas they'd have to invest in a lot more redundancy [07:19] afaik they have pretty good redundancy.. i think theyre just playing for space around street-diggers poking holes in their cables [07:20] geoff_ (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [07:20] that and the wonderous power failures sheffield city centre is constantly at the mercy of [07:21] adupuis_ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Stanto (n=S@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [07:22] samuelig (n=samuelig@202.pool85-57-153.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Zordrak, cannot be worse than Poona here [07:24] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:25] Strykar: do ou get 255V frying your 230V equipment too? 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[08:23] before that, i saw "tty4 deleted" [08:23] Action: Zordrak is not suprised by your fail [08:23] but the tty devs exist [08:23] Yo Quiz [08:23] :) [08:23] hi [08:23] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:23] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:24] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:25] hmm, must be all those lp.net packages you installed Quiznos [08:25] heh [08:25] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:25] Quiznos: voided his slackware warranty :) [08:25] ^^ [08:25] moha__ (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) joined ##slackware. [08:25] moha__ (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) left irc: Client Quit [08:26] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Quiznos: go directly to jail, do not pass Go do not collect 200 dollars [08:26] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.9.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:27] i havent rolled yet [08:28] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:29] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:29] garme (n=garme@201009157034.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:30] moks107 (n=shim@84.255.139.245) left irc: Client Quit [08:30] RuSH4ck3R (n=RuSH4ck3@d58-104-114-213.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:31] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.88.74.98.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] mmm when slackpkg finds that httpd apache needs to be upgraded [08:31] do you stop it with /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd stop before actually upgrading? [08:32] Lalloso: apachectl stop would suffice [08:32] but i dont bother [08:32] just restart apache after the upgrade [08:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:33] crudo (n=0xdead@189.81.149.117) left ##slackware. [08:33] Stylles (n=Jully@200.138.23.184) joined ##slackware. [08:34] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-134.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:35] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "¬" [08:36] adupuis_ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [08:36] thx, so the upgrade can overwrite files that are being in use? [08:36] Hi. I just installed Slackware 12 last night. KDE 4 only allows me to choose 640x480. 800x600, or 1024x768. I know my monitor supports up to 1600x1200, so I want something a little sharper than 1024x768. I ran "Xorg -configure" to create a config file, and I used it, but when I do so and start the X server with either "startx" or "Xorg" I just get a blank screen when X starts. Also, my video card is an ATI All-in-Wonder Radeo [08:37] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.165) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [08:37] paddy, is the corect driver for your card named in the conf? [08:37] install your video card 'driver' PAddyMac [08:38] mine first :) [08:38] PaddyMac: which card model? [08:38] Lalloso: yes [08:38] MINE FIRST! :) [08:38] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] -_- [08:38] Urchlay will decide -_- [08:38] ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 9200 [08:38] open your eyes damnit [08:38] lol :) [08:38] volo (n=volo@84.224.26.168) left ##slackware. [08:39] I've always been puzzled by the upgrade procedures for some packages [08:39] Action: Quiznos fights for a ansewr over cac_tux [08:39] caca_tux [08:39] since pat provided instructions in slackware security ml [08:39] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.165) joined ##slackware. [08:39] but you can also update pkgs automagically with slackpkg [08:39] all this hustle and bustle is making my head hurt [08:39] Lalloso: PaddyMac dare i ask why you installed slackware 12? [08:40] ahem: [08:40] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.248) left irc: Connection timed out [08:40] i'm stil waiting for a answer [08:40] Quiznos: hmmmmm [08:40] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [08:40] PaddyMac: dare i ask why you installed slackware 12? [08:40] Zordrak dont go there pls; it's his box [08:40] Quiznos: your quiqui is riquiqui -_- [08:40] heh [08:40] As for the driver, the new Xorg supposedly doesn't need a xorg.conf file anymore, so I made one to try to fix teh problem.... [08:40] My bad! I installed version 13! [08:40] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.4) joined ##slackware. [08:40] PaddyMac answer our qustions pls [08:40] ^^ [08:40] PaddyMac: that makes more sense [08:41] i could install 12 [08:41] PaddyMac: have you installed the ATI proprietary driver (fglrx)? [08:41] i could install 3.3 [08:41] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/linux64-radeon-prer200.aspx [08:41] van (n=van@adsl72-46.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:41] RuSH4ck3R: So is teh radeon driver not already instaleld with version 13, and I have to manually install it? [08:41] Quiznos: please discontinue your verbal fail [08:42] PaddyMac: there are two ATI drivers [08:42] three actually [08:42] FAIAP [08:42] Zordrak: No. I will be using the open source radeon driver. The newest ATI proprietary drivers dropped support for the 9200 and lower a couple of years ago. [08:42] let me google that P [08:42] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.82.60) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:42] PaddyMac: ok [08:43] PaddyMac: lcd or crt? [08:43] CRT [08:43] hmph [08:43] Dell P780 [08:43] unlikely to be stabbing at EDID issues then [08:45] im a little short of ideas for you im afraid.. its entirely for these reasons i went to nVidia exclusively a few years ago after suffering badly at the hands of 9250s ant X1800XTs [08:46] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:46] Zordrak i aM TEH TR0LL; YOU SH4LL RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH [08:46] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:46] ... [08:46] Yes. When I upgrade I will probably go to nVidia. But this desktop computer is aging and, except perhaps for more RAM, it's not worth upgrading parts any more. [08:46] and i'm not fat; I'M JUST BIG B0N3D [08:46] obviously the Xorg.0.log & dmesg are where i would start [08:47] OK. I'll check those. [08:47] http://imagebin.org/62843 [08:48] PaddyMac, The open source driver definitely comes with Slackware 13... [08:48] Zordrak, RuSH4ck3R was sugesting perhaps the video drivers are not already preinstalled with Slackware 13. Could this be the problem, and I just need to manually install the proper video driver with Slack 13? [08:48] PaddyMac: depending on waht youll be relying on it for.. the uber-cheap geforces can be picked up for next to nothing and give you a better experience (eg 6200 TurboCache / 7300GT) -- just a thought [08:48] PaddyMac: its up to hal to detect the driver [08:48] which it should do for such a standard card [08:49] lshal might give you more detail [08:49] Action: adamk_ dislikes hal almost as much as he dislikes nvidia. [08:49] PaddyMac: lspci -vv should show which driver your video card is using [08:50] Zordrak. Are there any up-to-date AGP cards still being made? [08:50] PaddyMac: not sure if theyre still being made.. but the 2nd hand market is full of reasonably recent ones [08:50] you can still buy brand new AGP cards at newegg.com [08:51] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:51] my mate has a huge basket of agp cards [08:52] PaddyMac, Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? [08:52] anyone interested? [08:52] you should be able to walk into your local non-chain tech shop and get a reasonable nvidia agp for a tenner or so [08:52] winter: 32MB GeForce2 MXs? No thanks :) [08:53] well probably some newer shit also [08:53] i haven't seen it [08:54] under 12.2/hal, the whole computer is described with 110 entries; 13/hal only described 4 or 5 devices. hal is further suspected as being broke [08:54] what's better Slackware 13 or OpenSUSE 11.1? [08:54] ii mean i dont know what kind of salvage it contains [08:54] RuSH4ck3R: use Windows Vista. MUCH better [08:55] MS DOS 6.22 [08:55] WinME [08:55] adamk_ I will, but I'll have to reboot and come back. I had to boot into Windows to connect to the internet. KPPP was also giving me problems, but one problem at a time.... [08:55] mayhaps 13's x11 would work under 12.2? [08:55] No it will not [08:56] why? [08:56] Do not place the suggestion that mising binaries from different releases would work. The support workload will be for you then [08:56] s/mising/mixing/ [08:57] that doesnt answer why `it will not' work [08:57] pls answer? [08:57] I do not care what you think [08:57] heh [08:57] then your statement is rejected for not supporting it with further information. [08:57] Mixing packages from two releases is a no-no. Period [08:57] ty for playing. [08:57] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [08:57] Warranty void if not adhered to [08:57] there is no warranty [08:57] Action: Zordrak remebers vividly why he red-tagged Quiznos [08:57] Not for you [08:57] Quiznos: roll your own, all the tools are there [08:58] not for anyone [08:58] I care to help people who are not playing insane [08:58] Pig_Pen all i said was "mayhaps" and alienBOB is making unsuported statements; why should I read what he responds but excludes his reasoning? [08:58] no thank you. [08:59] Quiznos: roll your own, all the tools are there [08:59] i read that he first time, Pig_Pen [08:59] the [09:00] Quiznos: Please insert $1 to continue... [09:00] Quiznos: what do you think Slackware developers do when they are not here talking to wisecracks? Indeed, testing what is stable and what breaks. I can tell you, if you install the X of 13.0 and not all other updates since 12.2, you will not have a stable system [09:00] And what do we see than? Whiners who complain that their Slackware sucks. [09:01] Bob, all i wrote was "mayhaps" [09:01] When it is the ass who goffed up [09:01] goofed [09:01] that's called a conditional; why are you being so vociferous? [09:01] Because of you. Your behaviour in this channel invokes this kind of reponse [09:02] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:02] Quiznos: come on, it's fairly clear to see that a binary may call a feature in another lib/binary that's been changed / removed / whatever. [09:02] RuSH4ck3R : 'better' is subjective, and depends on a lot of factors. try both, and see which one fits your needs 'better' [09:02] ananke++ [09:03] lol, I know ananke I got both installed [09:03] yesyes i'm aware of the need to install all of x, including all libs; but bob is just over-reacting badly to a conditional statement and refusing to provide elaboration. [09:03] RuSH4ck3R : if you know that, why do you ask? [09:03] using OpenSUSE though, preffer it over slackware 12.2 [09:03] i'm asking about 13.0 [09:03] and don't wanna download 4gb for nothing [09:03] Plus, demanding answers isn't likely to be looked upon favorably. [09:03] RuSH4ck3R: what do you *expect* to be different? [09:04] what do you prefer about suse? [09:04] RuSH4ck3R : see my original statement. we can't answer that question [09:04] well, ofcourse, user friendliness [09:04] yesyes bare and unsupprted statements such as "no it wont" require elaboration. [09:04] yesyes bob's refusal is the response of a politician who wont explain his statement. [09:04] "Require elaboration." :) [09:04] witch pkg contains X11 headers "Xv.h" [09:05] RuSH4ck3R: Slackware's user experience remains pretty much the same throughout its life; things like Xorg updates makes X easier to configure (or in some cases needing no config at all); but how the system is maintained and so on stays pretty static -- it's supposed to be [09:05] Requirements for elaboration require funding. :) [09:05] videoproto. [09:05] 4 gigs to download is nothing, start a torrent then go watch TV for a couple of hours = one movie and when its over your torrent should be finished and in seed mode [09:05] l [09:05] gm152: thx [09:05] so slackware is like you are replacing automative programs [09:05] Quiznos: Well, "you're being quite uptight about this" requires some elboration, some may argue. But if you demand it, in the manner you are doing, you're probably not going to get it :P [09:06] anyone know were I can buy 5.25" floppy disks? [09:06] sitwon: uhh.. 1985? [09:06] RuSH4ck3R: for you you may prefer graphical or hand holding tools to configure or use the system; to me that is ok if I can avoid them and do stuff by hand; but if I had to use them or found that they broke my hand edited configuration to *me* it's not friendly, it's user hostility ;-) [09:06] sitwon: i would look on ebay [09:06] Zordrak: that's when I was born! [09:06] RuSH4ck3R: hence you always have to ask specific questions. [09:06] Action: MoZes dances [09:06] sitwon: birth fail [09:07] RuSH4ck3R: anyway I'd suggest you stick with suse since I would imagine that 13.0 isn't going to make any difference for you. [09:07] RuSH4ck3R : distributions do not change drastically between their releases. [09:07] no, I don't preffer gui over terminal actually, quite the opposite, I just don't like to do things that wastes your time when another program can do that for you much quicker [09:07] ananke: Fedora does :) [09:07] RuSH4ck3R: an example ? [09:07] yesyes i'm not "uptight"; i maybe a reasonable man evaluating what another man is telling me, but I think that's normal. [09:08] MoZes : well, at least not enough to make a difference, according to his very vague scope [09:08] yesyes he made a statement and I asked for more info; he refused to elaborate. how would you evaluate that? [09:08] gm152: and XShm.h ? [09:08] xextproto. [09:09] Quiznos: give up. [09:09] The MANIFEST.bz2 file covers this. [09:09] nop [09:09] it's a reasonable request. [09:10] And asking you to STFU is a reasonable request, too. For some reason, I think both are unlikely to happen. [09:10] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:11] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.4.162) joined ##slackware. [09:12] fair enough Quiznos. i would have just tried to ask it again in a slight different tone - i.e. not "you haven't done this". but really, i'm tired of this molehill. [09:12] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] Hi Jesus! [09:13] he left [09:13] heh [09:13] damn. too excited. [09:13] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [09:13] and even not tryied to ressurrect a shit :() [09:13] :( [09:14] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.50) left irc: "Leaving" [09:14] i know Jesus, he is a mexican that drives an old pickup truck around the neighborhood and does lawn care for a living [09:14] RuSH4ck3R: if you think openSUSE-11.1 is user friendly, you'll hate Slackware-13.0 [09:15] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [09:16] Please don't PM me without asking. [09:18] Pig_Pen: can you ask him an autograph for me? =) [09:18] sorry [09:19] np ... it's actually a channel rule ... not that they're followed/enforced ;) [09:19] Yo Tux [09:20] an autograph? ok, next time i see him, i can scan it and upload it as a jpg file [09:20] I tried openSUSE-11.1 while Slackware64 was not yet released. It drove me up the wall, editing files and the YasT2 things and whatever changed them. [09:20] yoyo elderK, how's it going? [09:20] PaddyMac (n=Pat@dialup-4.88.74.98.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [09:20] Pig_Pen: no, not jpeg, png, please ='( [09:21] Camarade_Tux: your nose is running ^^^ [09:21] mingdao: no :o [09:21] looks like your lips are closed, so you're probably safe for now [09:21] Camarade_Tux has running body parts [09:21] I'm losing everything ='( [09:22] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] he can disasempl in anytime [09:22] disassemble* [09:22] that can be convenient [09:22] his body parts are hot swappable, eh? [09:22] i can summon the watercolsets [09:23] In that case, he could probably hang in there with a package manager distro like openSUSE; which swaps config files without asking the user. [09:23] klaatu13 (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] yesyes pm? [09:24] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [09:24] Nick change: PeanutHorst -> MidComMobile [09:27] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host197-69-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Nick change: MidComMobile -> PeanutHorst [09:27] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [09:28] mingdao : it does ask the user. you just didn't notice it [09:28] sam_albuquerque (i=51b3258d@gateway/web/freenode/x-hboxntqbkmdldbws) joined ##slackware. [09:30] hi [09:30] ananke: no, it did not [09:30] I edited files in a terminal with vim and it never asked me anything. [09:31] van (n=van@adsl72-46.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:31] Camarade_Tux: Not bad man, just working through the FreeBSD boot scripts :) Trying ot understand them all. [09:31] :) [09:31] iirc /etc/resolv.conf was one of them. [09:31] Already learned a whole bunch of new things about Bash too, which is cool. [09:31] :) [09:31] mingdao : just think for a second what you just said: 'i edited files in a terminal with vim, and it never asked me anything' [09:31] Heya, ananke! [09:31] and mingdao! [09:31] Hi elderK [09:31] mingdao : resolv.conf is a prime example of a file that will get overriden automatically with dhcp client [09:31] hi [09:32] ananke: Perhaps I am not stating it properly, but YasT2 or some such creature created a different file, and the /etc/resolv.conf I edited did not get used. [09:32] ananke: And I am not sure that file, particularly, but there were files that happened with. [09:32] resolve.conf gets blown away by dhcpcd, not a package manager [09:33] resolv * [09:33] yo, thrice`, to you too! [09:33] And whatever made that decision, be it YasT2 or whatever, never gave me any indication. [09:33] hi elderK [09:33] thrice`: How long now have you run openSUSE? [09:33] mingdao : that makes very little sense, since /etc/resolv.conf would be used, you can't point your system to use a substitute [09:33] I don't use opensuse [09:33] I thought so ... [09:34] lol, ok [09:34] ananke: You just love to argue ... whatever the file was that was edited, I already said I don't remember. [09:34] lol [09:34] mingdao : and the failure is on your part, for not reading the fine print [09:34] ananke: you win [09:34] :~> head -1 /etc/resolv.conf [09:34] ### /etc/resolv.conf file autogenerated by netconfig! [09:34] ananke: sure, buddy, you're always right ;) [09:34] mingdao: it's not a suse item - resolv.conf is a dhcpcd item [09:34] mingdao : i don't love to argue, despite what you may claim. i just don't like when people lie [09:34] ifconfig [09:35] *yawn* [09:35] bash-4.0$ cat /etc/resolv.conf [09:35] # Generated by dhcpcd from wlan0 [09:35] if you edit a file that has clear mention of being autogenerated, then you really ask for trouble [09:36] ohh, and the next two lines: [09:36] # Before you change this file manually, consider to define the [09:36] # static DNS configuration using the following variables in the [09:36] mingdao@silas64:~$ head -1 /etc/resolv.conf [09:36] timeout:1 [09:36] j0z (n=JESUS@189.58.12.72.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:36] ananke: again, you can stop arguing, because I told you at least twice I don't remember exactly which file ... okay? [09:37] you were quite certain with resolv.conf, which the package manager has nothing to do with [09:37] thrice`: still failing reading comprehension? [09:37] 21:37 < mingdao> ananke: And I am not sure that file, particularly, but there were files that happened with. [09:38] mingdao : you're the one who said it was resolv.conf. i'm simply showing why it's a very bad example to support your original claim of files being overwritten [09:38] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-75-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:38] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-75-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:38] 09:31 < mingdao> iirc /etc/resolv.conf was one of them [09:38] what did I mis understand ? [09:38] i'm all for fair criticism, as long as you have your ducks in a row [09:38] thrice`: you still can't read ... what does iirc mean? [09:38] dug [09:39] it means that YOU are suggesting that a package manager overwrites resolv.conf [09:39] mingdao : so the point is, if you're not sure if it was resolv.conf, are you sure about anything you've said so far about files being overwritten? [09:39] RuSH4ck3R (n=RuSH4ck3@d58-104-114-213.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [09:39] if you're changing your tune, please clarify [09:41] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.15) joined ##slackware. [09:42] IIRC: if I recall correctly [09:42] ("wtf iirc") [09:42] elderK: nice :) [09:43] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.4.162) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:44] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:48] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.244.196) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:51] does anyone know what does this mean: [09:51] OK! Your choice is nothing! slackpkg will Keep the old files for you to deal with later [09:51] Camarade_Tux: Really should be in bed sleeping :P Fell asleep earlier in the day so, don't feel so tired. :P I don't mind. Learning is worth being a zombie later. :P [09:51] which extension do have the files now? [09:51] Lalloso: .new [09:51] elderK: hahaha :P [09:52] ah ok so that's the default behaviour thx [09:52] :P You can totally relate, right? :P [09:53] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-75-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [09:55] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: "leaving" [09:55] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [09:56] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [09:56] elderK: ;) [09:56] but it's 4pm here ;) [09:56] :P [09:56] Action: Quiznos confs a ginormous kernel. no modules. [09:57] coffee... [09:57] mmm java juice [09:57] Quiznos: if you want to use ntfs-3g, keep at least fuse as module so you can modprobe -r it when ntfs-3g goes nuts [09:57] ty, dont need [09:58] linOnly house [09:58] going to bed at 0530 wasn't as good idea as it seemed [09:58] it haps [09:58] diven: ^^ [09:58] firedix (n=firedix@host246.201-252-172.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [09:58] :D [09:58] twas only 3 hours ago [09:59] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:00] diven: drink a bit to forget :) [10:01] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:03] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Camarade_Tux, it always seems like a good idea at the time [10:03] then the kids get up early... [10:04] MrDusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:04] :D [10:05] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Client Quit [10:05] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [10:05] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [10:06] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [10:06] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:06] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:06] good evening good people :-) [10:06] evening? not here, and definitely not there :) [10:07] diven: ah, I see ;) [10:07] morning macavity [10:07] ananke: 16:12 is in the evening, isnt it? [10:07] (you just work up, right?) [10:07] macavity : nope. that's afternoon [10:07] Camarade_Tux: actually no :P [10:07] ananke: right.. i knew that :P [10:07] can't believe that :P [10:08] Afternoon is the time of day from 12:00 (noon) to  depending upon context  evening, sunset, or 18:00.<- wikipedia has an actual entry. awesome [10:08] lol [10:08] when in doubt, consult wikipedia [10:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuff . yep. it has everything [10:09] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-131.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.64.136) joined ##slackware. [10:10] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:10] ananke: have you heard of that timecube whacko? [10:10] garme (n=garme@201009157034.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [10:11] garme (n=garme@201008098010.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] timecube has been around for ages. still absurd [10:11] i only heard about it this year [10:12] I only hear about it here [10:12] i think it pops on a radar every couple of years, like an old tired internet meme [10:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:13] i did not have the patience to read through is crazy website so i found some interviews with the guy on youtube, he is just a nutcase old man in Florida [10:13] timecube sucks [10:13] it is serously flawed logic [10:14] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@pool-173-75-173-54.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] hmm, i replaced memory on 3 servers, now i got 8 2gb sticks. time to find something else to put them in [10:14] timecube or my statement? [10:14] ananke: mail me :) [10:15] ananke: what speed? ECC or not? [10:15] it's sad, i have another 32gb of ram, sitting in a box, and nothing to put them in [10:15] O_O [10:15] macavity : ecc. pc2-3200 [10:15] boo, I need some pc5300 [10:15] if you send me the ram, I'll build the computer to accomodate it :D [10:15] me too. this came out ouf three poweredge 2850s [10:16] ananke: ok.. that is a somewhat crappy FSB by todays standard (unless you consider AMD) [10:16] yeah. i bought 16gb for each server, they'll be our testing xen servers. [10:17] interestingly enough, getting new scsi drives and memory was cheaper by going directly to dell, than third party [10:17] i wonder if they're just emptying their older stock [10:17] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left ##slackware. [10:17] ananke: that's sooo kind of you to give me a shell account on this test server :) [10:17] wow.. [10:18] my HDD just said some pretty weird noises [10:18] really... [10:18] Camarade_Tux : hehe, sorry, can't do [10:18] ananke: ='( [10:18] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-201-127.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:19] greeeee-eek-eek-eek-eek-eek-greeeeee-eek-eek-eek-eek, but no HDD LED light, and nothing in dmesg [10:19] hi everybody ! [10:19] hi paissad-hp [10:19] macavity: running seti@home? :P [10:20] i would like to know if it's possible to send a signal to a process in order to make it run faster ? [10:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [10:20] Camarade_Tux: no [10:20] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-119-140.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:20] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [10:20] Camarade_Tux: i am starting smartd to see if the disk is in trouble [10:20] i did NOT like that sound :-/ [10:21] hmm, crap. one of the servers now has an amber light. [10:21] Action: Camarade_Tux still think macavity got an alien virus [10:21] paissad-hp: not a signal.. you can renice it.. see nice(1) [10:21] paissad-hp : not really. you can change the priority though [10:22] paissad-hp: ionice(1) might be worth looking into too [10:22] paissad-hp : what makes you think that the process is running slow? [10:22] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [10:22] macavity: and make sure your backups are up to date. [10:23] macavity, ananke when i run htop, i see the process at the top, it uses a lot of ressources, but what i want actually is to make the process use much more ressources, the two cores for examples, (just as i ran make -j4 for example ) [10:24] paissad-hp : parallelization is not something you, as the user, can magically make happen [10:24] BP{k}: roger that :-) [10:24] ananke, oops [10:24] paissad-hp : if given software cannot take advantage of multiple processors, then you can't make it happen [10:24] ananke, ok i see, thanks [10:24] paissad-hp: if the paalication is not written to use multiple threads there is *nothing* you can do [10:24] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:24] ok [10:25] macavity: I spent some time wondering what a paalication was :P [10:26] SIGFRIGHT - on receipt of a SIGFRIGHT a running process will run faster, and a stopped process will start to run. [10:26] Camarade_Tux: keyboard dyslexia ;) [10:26] rob0: I like that one [10:27] Just remember, you heard it here first. [10:27] rob0: ill test your patches when you think they start approaching beta quality :P [10:27] Guys, in the construct if [ 1 -o -f some_file ]; what is the -o doing? [10:28] Bash manual says -o tests if a shell option is set. [10:28] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@pool-173-75-174-34.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:28] it's "or" [10:28] elderK: or [10:28] crap [10:28] Ah, thanks. [10:28] :) [10:28] elderK: man test [10:28] That obvious huh. :) [10:28] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:28] :) [10:28] Cheers guys [10:28] In that test, the "1" is true, so the -o is true too. [10:28] rob0, lol [10:28] lol, the guy I'm squatting the room just left the channel :P [10:29] he'll be here soon :D [10:29] eshepard (n=eshepard@ip68-111-115-62.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:29] elderK: -o is or [10:29] weird, my man for test doesn't document -i [10:29] er, -o [10:30] yes.. just above -n [10:30] It's the bash builtin, see "help test". [10:30] EXPRESSION1 -o EXPRESSION2 [10:30] either EXPRESSION1 or EXPRESSION2 is true [10:31] My bad. [10:31] I didn't look far enough down. [10:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] elderK: hit /-o [10:33] elderK: / is search in less (less is the pager used by man) [10:33] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [10:33] oh, and per channel guidelines, ask to PM please [10:34] more is the pager used by woman [10:34] I did, macavity. [10:35] I just didn't have enough patience. [10:35] THat's a. [10:35] :) Operator error. [10:35] :) [10:35] ... [10:35] :P I admit my fault. :) [10:35] wth is e4 being built when i didnt choose it? [10:35] i like to keep anything technical in the main channel if possible [10:35] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.244.196) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:35] some people use the logs to grep for answers [10:36] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) left irc: Success [10:36] and i would say that if have logs since the beginning of this channel, mostly anything can be found there [10:37] the interface is less intuitive than that of linuxquestions.org... but the results are often better ;-) [10:38] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:38] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Nick change: agentc0re1 -> agentc0re [10:39] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:39] Nick change: klaatu13 -> notKlaatu [10:43] macavity++ [10:44] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Stylles (n=Jully@200.138.23.184) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:45] Stylles (n=Jully@201.3.92.182) joined ##slackware. [10:45] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521d56.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Mesa-7.5.1 out [10:51] Action: macavity awaits an update [10:53] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.64.136) left irc: Connection timed out [10:53] macavity: ^^ [10:54] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:54] test34 (n=test34@c-69-244-245-20.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] macavity: update? slackware will probably be inactive for a couple months :) [10:55] Man, BSD is clean. [10:55] :D [10:55] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] thrice`: then guess who will pester Pat about it ;-) [10:55] elderK: what version BSD? [10:56] thrice`: http://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes-7.5.1.html [10:56] old news :> already updated [10:56] thrice`: for one thing we no longer need the seperate GLEW lib [10:56] hitest: FreeBSD, 7.2. But, I mean BSD in general. [10:56] :) why, hitest? [10:57] lol.. how much would you charge to set up a ~thice mirror with fresh packages for graphical update junkies like me? ;-) [10:57] I wonder if executing /etc/rc as the "system's core init script" is hardcoded into BSD's init. [10:57] Action: elderK ponders [10:57] elderK: what does their inittab say about that? [10:57] elderK: nice. I was just curious. I'm also a FreeBSD user (7.2). Agreed. BSDs are clean, stable. [10:57] (Yes, I know, this isn't Slackware discussion but, Slackware is one of my favourite hang out places :) Community is nice here) [10:58] macavity: there is no inittab, afaik. [10:58] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.88.76.77.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] But, I'll have to check up on that. [10:58] you think it's clean? I dislike their directory structure, and find it cluttered [10:58] http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=init&sektion=8 [10:58] I find it ordered. [10:58] and a lot of it can be pruned. [10:58] afaik. [10:58] :) [10:59] for example, /usr/local/ for everything??? come on :D [10:59] I dig that. [10:59] :P [10:59] /usr/local for everything built from ports. And yes, that's much cleaner than most linux distributions. [10:59] Aye. [10:59] That's how I feel about it too, adamk_ [10:59] Which put all 3rd party software under /usr along with the actual base distribution. [10:59] how is it cleaner? It's more complex and un-necessary :) [10:59] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-99-109.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:00] It's not really complex. [11:00] when GNU/kFreeBSD matures enough, i may wery well attempt to do a Slackware port :P [11:00] It's ordered and known. [11:00] Everything is at a predefined place. [11:00] That's why it's simpler, overall. [11:00] And it follows strict convention, right, adamk_? [11:00] 2 system structures instead of 1 is not simpler, to me :) [11:00] (or am I mistaken? :)) [11:00] thrice`: :) Well, I personally like to seperate things like a maniac. [11:00] I don't care if it's a system package, or from ports - it's the package manager's job to keep track of that [11:01] So, I guess it's personal preference. [11:01] i, for one, think that /opt is unclean in its own right [11:01] Did I come in on a Linux vs FreeBSD discussion? [11:01] Not really PaddyMac. [11:01] yes, choose a side :) [11:01] We're just musing. [11:01] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521d56.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [11:01] thrice`, It's such simple when the structures are for different parts of the system... One for 3rd party software and one for the base system. Much simpler and cleaner. [11:01] and a lot of the cruft in /usr/share is just there because someone had a case of -pedantic [11:02] macavity: opt in any nix, usr/share in any nix? or linux/bsd in general? [11:02] LOL. Well, I've hardly used FreeBSD. If I did use it, I'd use PC-BSD because it makes teh whole thing easier. But I just about gace up on it when it came to setting up wireless under FreeBSD. Linux is easier. Plus I hate the FreeBSD bootloader. [11:02] anywhere [11:02] Aye. [11:02] I dislike /opt, too. [11:02] adamk_: I suppose it's opinion. to me, if it's a binary, it belongs in /usr/bin. not posibly /usr/local/bin, /usr/bin/, /opt/bin [11:02] eulerphi (i=euler@unaffiliated/eulerphi) joined ##slackware. [11:02] and if it wasnt for the lack of a proper mergefs implementation, i think that /usr should go too :P [11:02] Anyway, I almost resolved the problem with X.org. [11:02] thrice`, And to me, if it's not part of the base system, it shouldn't be in /usr/bin :-) [11:02] although I am a FreeBSD user I prefer Slackware and have recently removed my FreeBSD partition from my main machine. [11:02] hi, i just lost audio on my laptop [11:03] how do i find out what happened? [11:03] :) thrice`, I tend to stick strictly to FHS, afaik. [11:03] really, hitest, whyfore? [11:04] anyone? [11:04] how did you just lose audio? [11:04] dmesg giving you any love? [11:04] alsamixer? [11:04] But now that I'm at 1600x1200, the KDE4 panel at the bottom of the screen no longer is teh same width as my screen. It's as wide as it would be if I was still at 1024x768. It's minor but still annoying. [11:04] i don't know, i think it might have to do with wine [11:04] eulerphi: checked your cables? :P [11:04] eulerphi, As macavity said, check alsamixer to see if anything is muted. [11:04] elderK: Slackware stays out of my way and has a package management system that does what I want. Each to his own. Slackware is it for me. [11:04] PaddyMac: unlock it and drag it to the size that you want [11:04] yeah, i checked alsamixer [11:05] PaddyMac: then lock it again [11:05] anyhow.. time to hit the shower and get some f00d [11:05] eulerphi: is wine still running in any form? [11:06] ps ax, see if anything audioishy seems to be around [11:06] i just killed wineserver and winedevice.exe [11:06] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:06] wrong thing to ask, but, have you reboot? [11:06] no [11:06] I wonder if some file could be locked, or something. [11:06] Action: elderK shrugs [11:06] ah, there's a few more wine processes i overlooked [11:06] lsof on your sound device [11:07] rlex (i=rlex@yunix.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] aye, adsp or something like that, thrice? [11:07] rlex (i=rlex@yunix.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:07] adsp ? [11:07] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] eulerphi, 'lsof | grep dsp' is probably what you want to check. [11:07] /dev/adsp ? [11:07] Macavity. The panel crashed once, but it started again and I was able to resize it. [11:08] rlex (i=rlex@yunix.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] ah, that fixed it :) [11:08] stupid wine doesn't know when to quit ;) [11:08] hehe [11:09] So I guess the only remaining "bug" is in Xorg itself. The bug being that it doesn't autodetect my monitor when running without a xorg.conf file, so it limits me to 1024x768. But if I run "Xorg -configure" and put the automatically created xorg.conf file in /etc then it wiill work fine with maximum resolution up to 1600x1200. [11:09] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:09] eulerphi" Better than not knowing when to quite wine/ [11:10] We don't need any more drunk Linux users. [11:10] ;) [11:10] hehe [11:11] PaddyMac: which video card? [11:11] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [11:12] ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 9200 [11:12] It detects teh video card just fine. It's teh monitor it doesn't detect automatically. Strangely enough it does detect the monitor correctly when I run "Xorg -configure" and it will generate a correct xorg.conf file. [11:13] tried playing with xrandr? [11:13] xrandr --auto [11:13] xrandr --help [11:14] eulerphi :) Sweet. [11:14] Nope. How would xrandr help? [11:15] PaddyMac, xrandr will list all the modes that the monitor said it supports. [11:16] :) [11:16] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Connection timed out [11:16] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) left irc: Connection timed out [11:16] xrandr states it supports from 640x350 up to 1600x1200 [11:17] I have tried to run a 32bit program with multilib following the quick n dirty instructions by alienBOB, but it says segmentation fault: http://pastebin.com/m38bf2cc5 [11:17] But I had to generate a xorg.conf file for Xorg to know that. [11:17] how does 'xrandr --auto' configures the screen? [11:17] Tirili, 3D applications can be a little more complicated, particularly when dealing with closed source drivers. [11:18] Tirili, What video card do you have? [11:18] Tirili: errrr [11:18] it'll be hard to know [11:18] Action: Camarade_Tux votes for gdb [11:18] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) joined ##slackware. [11:18] or strace [11:18] Action: adamk_ votes for more easily to obtain information :-) [11:18] didn't Unreal Tournament have a 64bit binary? [11:19] Errr... Bad grammar. [11:19] BP{k}, ut2004 did, not ut. [11:20] adamk_: ah :) Yeah guess I am used to UT2004 [11:20] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [11:21] GeForce 9200M GS [11:21] Tirili, The nvidia drivers are installed? [11:21] yes [11:21] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Did you install them after you created the multilib setup? [11:22] no [11:22] Hello! [11:22] ok, I'll try that.. [11:22] blackula__ (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:22] Tirili, Heh... I'm not an expert on nvidia, but I would guess that it doesn't install the 32 bit libraries if it doesn't detect a multilib system. [11:22] ok [11:23] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:23] if you use nvidia's installer, it asks you whether it should or not [11:23] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [11:23] blackula__ (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [11:23] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@120.28.189.83) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Well, even if he said yes, he would have overwritten the nvidia drivers GL library with the one from the mesa compat32 package when he made his system multilib. [11:24] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-61-180.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] adamk_: right [11:25] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.85.161.10) joined ##slackware. [11:25] hallo! [11:26] moin moin [11:26] I'm having a hard time deciding if I will upgrade my slack 12.2 to 13.0 [11:26] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [11:27] slack is my first linux distro... it's also my first time to upgrade a linux distro... [11:27] eulerphi (i=euler@unaffiliated/eulerphi) left ##slackware. [11:27] I'm just wondering if the configurations I made before are going to be affected and changed? [11:28] i want to install Abiword but i get this error : configure: error: Error: libgnomeprint-2.2 >= 2.2.0 libgnomeprintui-2.2 >= 2.2.0 required ; I instaled libgnomeprint-2.18.0.tar.bz2 but i still get this error; any help? [11:28] The Linux & free software world moves fast, atom_fox, but you don't have to move with it. [11:28] dorin_ro: you install libgnomeprint-2.18.0.tar.bz2? [11:28] thanks for the advice... [11:28] where's that from? [11:29] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:29] libgnomecups [11:29] dorin_ro: from the slackbuild abiword::readme:-->This requires wv, libgnomecanvas, libgnomeprintui, libgnomeprint, and libgnomecups [11:29] atom_fox: a recent study has shown men using slackware13 had much more success with girls [11:29] that it is binary ( I installed with configure make install [11:29] That said, you'll typically want to upgrade and enjoy all the new bells & whistles. [11:29] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:30] The UPGRADE howto provided with Slackware 13 explains the procedure. [11:30] Action: Zordrak has had enough of LDAP support being a complete and utter joke in f/oss projects. [11:30] dorin_ro: did you also install libgnomeprintui? [11:30] (you don't have to download the whole thing to read that) [11:30] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Action: Zordrak let off some steam about it.. please feel free to comment: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?p=115 [11:31] no; i will install those too [11:31] that * [11:31] Action: Zordrak pokes ananke particularly [11:32] dorin_ro: so, it tells you what is missing, you install one of them and just expect the other one to magically be installed by the dustfairies on your system? :) [11:32] garme (n=garme@201008098010.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:32] echtts (n=enzooo@201-93-237-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:33] echtts (n=enzooo@201-93-237-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [11:34] hackedhead (i=1000@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [11:34] now i see the diferences libgnomeprint and libgnomeprintui [11:34] :)) ;lol [11:34] tnx for light up [11:34] dorin_ro: although seriously you might be better off using slackbuilds.org ;) it makes maintaining things easier. [11:34] dorin_ro, romania? [11:35] yes [11:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.15) left irc: [11:35] dorin_ro, pm? [11:35] u are romanian too?:D [11:35] yep [11:35] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] everytime i see something with gnome in the name i remember what it was like building gnome from source five years ago.. a nightmare of epic proportions.. and rumor has it that it has only gotten wose ever since :P [11:40] macavity: considering how painful building gtk is, I'm sure it has [11:41] macavity: btw, http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/log/posts/debtree_0.7.3_-_Oh_what_tangled_webs_we_weave.html [11:41] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@120.28.189.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] Camarade_Tux: too bad they dont post results.. id like to see what it takes to run "gnomedesktop" (or what its name is) on debian :P [11:43] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.81.135) joined ##slackware. [11:44] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:45] goddamn.. HAL *has* to go :P [11:45] haha :P [11:45] really.. it does [11:46] blackula__ (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:47] what's it's replacement? [11:48] devicekit-{disks,power,?} [11:48] not sure what xorg will go with; libgudev I think [11:48] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) joined ##slackware. [11:49] we need mesa-7.5.2 all ready :P [11:49] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.88.76.77.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] broken? :) [11:49] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-134.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [11:50] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] ok, now it works :) Thank you! [11:51] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Cool. Glad to help. [11:51] Nick change: omni_sleep -> omnipotentduo [11:55] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:55] thrice`: no, it just got a build patch a few hours after release :P [11:55] thrice`: btw, libgudev will require glib [11:55] macavity: there is an x-server 1.6.3.901 or so you can try too [11:56] thrice`: so i guess the BSD people arent happy at the moment [11:56] yeah, who cares about them :> [11:56] thrice`: i dont particularly care about xorg.. as long as it works :P [11:57] oh, i think it would be really nice to have some "Free UNIX de-facto interface" for the whole xorg-related things [11:57] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-19-137.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:57] those are the kind of things that can become POSIX amendments in the future, and hence used to press for real standards [11:58] i see that as a must when it comes to proper involvement from OEMs [11:58] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:58] eg, that whatever new gizmo will work with *BSD, GNU/Linux, *Solaris, AIX, $FUBAR and whatnot [11:59] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.39.36) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:59] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FED24.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] datou__ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) joined ##slackware. [11:59] and yes, you heard the FSF Zealot say this: if we pick something existing, it should be under a simple mermissive license, so the BSD people dont have to play katch-up all the time [12:00] forcing *BSD to ship something [L]GPL as default is just not going to fly [12:01] cough, zfs? [12:01] s/mermissive/permissive/ [12:01] who cares aout zfs? btrfs already seems to kick it in the nuts :P [12:01] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:01] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:02] besides, zfs is NIH [12:02] maybe a year from now :| [12:02] how many years have we waited for xf86-video-intel and Mesa? ;-) [12:03] eventually we got it [12:03] honestly, I don't think my next video card wil be intel; they bit too hard this time [12:04] if the ATI cards start producing better free drivers than Intel, then yes, i'll go for those [12:04] As far as I'm concerned, ATI drivers are already there. [12:04] mostly because it get some actual GPU power there.. and i dont have faith in Intel doing the right thing with Larrabee [12:04] I'm running kde, with 3D compositing, on my x3450 right now with free drivers. [12:04] Sorry, make that HD3450. [12:05] I agree, I'll probably do radeon [12:05] datou_ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:05] adamk_: and i can assure you that the HD4350 is a NoGo(TM) atm [12:05] in the last year, I finally have 2D working with intel; I still, however, can't play games from 2002 or so :> [12:05] macavity, And I can assure you that it's working here. [12:05] 3450 may be, but not 4350 [12:06] i have one sitting on my desk lauging straight at me [12:06] It's the same driver for all r600/r700 GPUs. I'm using the latest code from git as of this morning. [12:06] And I'm willing to bet it would work for you too. [12:06] ah, nice [12:06] It's still buggy at times, but it works. [12:06] i just went with what slackware has, as it was an official testing effort [12:07] Action: macavity looks forward to 7.6-release [12:07] gentoo has a live-xorg overlay, i'm tempted to drop that on my laptop :> [12:07] dartmouth (n=dartmout@24.25.172.165) joined ##slackware. [12:08] currently i have no issues with xorg itself.. but i probably use it in the most common way [12:08] single user machines with one monitor, local server and client [12:08] and we have no odd periperals [12:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [12:09] eeek.. mIRCuser? [12:09] I'm only slightly more complicated, with two monitors. But I always tend to use the most cutting edge drivers. [12:09] ok, time to take the GF out for dinner [12:09] cya l8r mates [12:09] adamk and you're using the drives from ati's website? [12:10] agentc0re, No, the open source drivers. [12:10] adamk ah. the radeonhd or whatever? [12:11] No, just 'radeon' not 'radeonhd'. I've used radeonhd in the past, and it works, but I generally just stick with 'radeon' [12:11] It seems to get the most development. [12:11] Mind you, the r600/r700 Mesa drivers aren't quite ready for use by most folks, but I wanted to give them a shot here and they seem to work pretty well. [12:12] adamk i ask because i'm curious how the proprietary drives are lately. i switched to nvidia a while ago because of their driver mess. [12:12] openbox (n=openbox@124.114.95.21) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Oh, I've used the fglrx drivers recently, too. They work well. I haven't tried much with them beyond doom3 and compiz, but they both ran smoothly. [12:14] Of course, they only support the HD cards these days. [12:14] oh yes, that's right. [12:14] which is really lame on their part. [12:14] openbox (n=openbox@124.114.95.21) left irc: Client Quit [12:14] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [12:14] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:15] slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] whats the best way to setup a mail server in slack 12.2 i purchased a domain [12:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-28-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [12:16] slaxxer, slackwiki.org has a tutorial [12:18] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [12:19] ok [12:19] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:24] echtts (n=echtts@201-93-237-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:25] good morning :) [12:25] morning echtts [12:25] what's up ? [12:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.39.36) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Just getting my laptop all setup, What are you up to? [12:27] troy_ (n=troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:27] hey folks, I think wicd as shipped with 64bit 13.0 has a memory leak [12:27] I'm at 4 days uptime, and wicd is at 155MB [12:27] lf4: just chatting :P [12:28] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [12:28] echtts: Thats nice :) [12:29] troy_ (n=troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] and a very, very good morning to the beautiful people people and the butt ugly people in here :D [12:30] antler: good morning! [12:30] Action: hitest waves to antler [12:30] Action: hitest looks in the mirror [12:30] lol [12:30] :) [12:30] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [12:30] nepenthe (n=ville@YKMLXX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:31] antler: mornings are never good... so how can this one be very, very good? [12:31] Action: lf4 shattered the mirror while looking it it. [12:32] agentc0re: morning felatio doesn't help ever? [12:32] agentc0re: if they do, then mornings are sometimes good :P [12:32] lf4: lol [12:33] (heh sorry missed an 'l') [12:34] EgoX (n=user@78-59-112-79.static.zebra.lt) joined ##slackware. [12:38] antler: lol [12:39] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:39] CaptNemo (n=CaptNemo@adsl-75-60-180-14.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] When did Slackware dump xorgconfig? [12:40] 13.0 its not always there it sounds. [12:41] probably when xorg stopped using a conf file [12:41] Well, that sucks.... [12:41] how does one configure xorg now? [12:41] CaptNemo: use xorgsetup [12:41] My newly installed X is complaining that no screens were found in xorg.conf.... [12:41] and it's done automatically for you now with the help and use of hal. [12:42] I used xorgsetup :( [12:42] nuke your xorg.conf and try again Nemo...does it work confless? [12:42] well it sounds like it still writes to xorg.conf [12:42] what complaint is it giving besides no screens found? [12:42] There's a VERY incomplete xorg.conf.... [12:42] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [12:43] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.39.36) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:43] the error says: (EE) No devices detected. (which is odd because 12.2 detected my nvidia just fine) [12:43] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:43] ah [12:43] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [12:43] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.81.135) left irc: Client Quit [12:43] you probably just need to rerun the nvidia binary [12:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:43] hey [12:43] the modules it makes are kenel specific [12:44] so when your kernel gets updated you have to reinstall them [12:44] i got a question. If i installed a few things via without ./config prefix [12:44] I was hoping that xorgsetup would load the generc nv driver. [12:44] nepenthe (n=ville@YKMLXX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] couldn't i just delet /usr/local to remove them all so I can do it properly? [12:45] delete* [12:45] nemo [12:45] Hang on... kid aggro [12:45] Cannon, you can delete all the stuff it installed and yes it woudl be gone entirely [12:45] CaptNemo [12:45] just make sure you catch all the files, did it only put stuff in /usr/local? [12:45] do wget tr.im/y65q [12:46] thats the newest nvidia driver [12:46] mancha: so if I rm -rf /usr/local/ it'd be safe yet delete all the none properly installed items? [12:46] mancha: yeah basically. [12:46] or if you want to use the nv driver you could just edit your xorg.conf by hand [12:47] i only installed about 6 things over the course of 12.2 so it's not bad [12:47] nepenthe (n=ville@MYCCXXIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:47] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:47] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] I'm just searching the easiest way, since the only things in /usr/local pretain to ./gonfigure && make && make install without --prefix=XXXXX [12:48] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] so is that suggested? [12:53] Cann0n: is what suggested again? [12:53] Action: eviljames just wandeed in [12:53] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [12:53] fom the backlog it looks like you use the same management stategy that I do, /usr/local is fo things that are built/installed w/o slackbuilds. [12:53] sup dude? how have you been? [12:54] working, mostly. So/so I guess :P [12:54] Sorry, the kid's MNT directory somehow has gotten blown.... [12:55] lucky MNT directory [12:55] Okay back to xorgsetup... I haven't DL'd the nvidia driver yet, is there a way to force HAL/xorgsetup to use the nv driver? [12:55] I discovered a few things I installed in the past wrong. I forgot to set the prefixs in .configure and it threw the programs in /usr/local, which only seems to contain that stuff. I wonder if I could just rm -rf /usr/local in order to remove them all easily [12:55] you could edit the /etc/xorg.conf file yourself [12:55] Cann0n: sure, then recreate the folders there according the FHS. [12:55] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [12:55] yeah basically. I'm having rouble upgrading them [12:55] Cann0n: if something stops working because it depends on /usr/local/lib you can track that down with ldd. [12:55] trouble* [12:55] but CaptNemo: wget http://tr.im/y65q [12:56] will get you the nvidia binary blob [12:56] ah that a good tip. kudos [12:56] and xorg.conf will get sorted by the nvidia-xconfig [12:56] eviljames: i guess it's not a major problem that things are installed there huh? [12:56] NG, k I'll do that now. thanks [12:57] I took the lazy way out on installing minicom and nostromos deps I couldn't find os SBo [12:57] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Cann0n: nah, I use it for things that I do a quick ./configure ; make ; make install on w/o a slackbuild. [12:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] yeah. I never was a fan of setting the correct prefixes my self. [12:58] I get lazy and don't check my spelling sometimes. Thanks for the tips. [12:59] I'd like to go 13 but I had massive failure 12.1 to 12.2 [13:00] _kevlinux_ (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [13:01] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] anybody has problems with the new intel drivers in slack 13? [13:02] Anyone know a command that I can tell the vidocard chipset without having to open the box? [13:02] lspci [13:02] Duh [13:02] <-- frustrated [13:02] lol beat me too it [13:03] that link I gave you not work? [13:03] or wrong driver, rather? [13:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:03] NG, you there? [13:03] yes [13:04] You have a short link for the x86_64 driver blob? [13:04] I'll grab you one [13:04] TY [13:04] Cann0n: 13 is excellent, and apparently with slackpkg the transition is smooth [13:05] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_bottling_ho [13:05] i am having trouble with the intel video in 13. the new drivers don't work for me [13:05] http://tr.im/y6ai [13:05] hackedhead (i=1000@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [13:05] Thnx! [13:06] yah np. let me know how it works out [13:06] DLing now [13:06] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [13:07] gnoel, In /extra/ there are a number of other versions of the intel driver. [13:07] adamk: i tried them all without success [13:07] i even tried to install the driver from 12.2 [13:08] gnoel, Well what's the trouble you are having? [13:08] whats the your video chipset model gnoel ? [13:08] i do startx, it changes to graphic mode, i see the mouse and can move it but it gets stuck and i never go anywhere [13:08] 865G [13:10] if i remove the intel video package, i can go to X no problem through vesa driver but the resolution is awful [13:10] so, i am pretty sure the driver is the problem [13:12] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:12] SlackWeird: chipset model is intel 82865G [13:12] I don't care what the Debian guys say, you guys are ok! It worked [13:12] There is a write-up about 13.0 and X in Pat's log. I believe he recommended to start X without an xorg.conf file. [13:13] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [13:13] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:14] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:14] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] gnoel: what 'lsmod | grep intel ' returns? [13:14] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] snd_intel8x0 28696 0 [13:14] snd_ac97_codec 100128 1 snd_intel8x0 [13:14] snd_pcm 68128 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec [13:14] Channel flood from gnoel -- kicking [13:14] snd 50820 9 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer [13:14] snd_page_alloc 7972 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm [13:14] gnoel kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [13:15] ouch [13:15] Nemo, there are a lot of us here. Give us a chance and we can live down to our reputation. [13:15] :) [13:15] any luck nemo? [13:15] I hate it when things change! [13:15] Ya, the trick IS to install the nvidia driver first [13:16] Someone should write that down somewhere. :) [13:17] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] That is odd... I installed 13 on my son's laptop the other day and I didn't need to load the ATI drivers first.... [13:17] perhaps you loaded the framebuffer drivers [13:17] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] I dont know.... It's working now so, I'm happy [13:18] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:18] SlackWeird: i was kicked out, and didn't realize it for a while. i don't know if you made further comment [13:18] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:20] gnoel: seems your video module is not loaded [13:20] which? intel_drv or something? [13:20] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [13:21] hm, picasa doesn't work in 13 64bit? [13:22] SlackWeird: i am just using the huge kernel at the moment. so i might just be compiled into the kernel. [13:23] try this : #modprobe intelfb mode=1280x1024-24@85 (those values are just examples, switch them for your needs) [13:23] sam_albuquerque (i=51b3258d@gateway/web/freenode/x-hboxntqbkmdldbws) left irc: "Page closed" [13:25] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:26] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-219-99-109.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] SlakWeird: it just returns nothing [13:26] so the module you think is not loaded is intelfb? [13:27] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left ##slackware. [13:27] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] yep... the nothing returns probably means it was loaded [13:28] what echo $? returns? [13:28] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:28] 0 [13:28] then it was right [13:28] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [13:28] try startx [13:28] so the driver is loaded, right? [13:29] yeah [13:30] same thing. i see the desktop and a window. i can move the mouse but all else is stuck. [13:30] plee (n=kurt@83.243.165.183) joined ##slackware. [13:31] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:31] gnoel: in extra/ there are alternate intel drivers. [13:31] yes, i have tried them all with the same result [13:32] i even pulled the driver from my Slack12.2 DVD which worked fine under 12,2 but not here [13:32] oh gnoel you have to add an entry in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf about this card [13:32] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: "leaving" [13:32] or try without an xorg.conf at all. intel is supposed to autoconfigure [13:33] what entry? [13:33] i don't have an xorg.conf [13:33] moks107 (n=shim@84.255.139.245) joined ##slackware. [13:33] i tried to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log but i got lost [13:34] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) joined ##slackware. [13:36] does vlc have problems playing 1080 stuff for anyone else in slack64? mplayer plays the same 1080 file fine. [13:37] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [13:37] gnoel: you have to create it [13:37] ok, but what entry do i need to put in there? is there an article somewhere? [13:38] gnoel: have you tried autoconfig? as root: Xorg -configure [13:38] gnoel: i think you would run a program and answer some questions to generate one [13:38] yes [13:38] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] i tried Xorg -configure and also xorgsetup [13:38] any good results for grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [13:39] let me look now [13:39] Bassist (i=1000@c006.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) joined ##slackware. [13:39] (EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0) [13:39] (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) [13:40] G'evening.. Anybody manage to get a microphone on a Lenovo laptop to work under SW 13? [13:40] gnoel: as far as i know, X -configure creates the new xorg.conf file in /root (xorg.conf.new), make sure you move that to the proper location where it needs to be [13:41] yes, i'll try that but xorgsetup puts it in /etc/X11. but it is worth a try [13:41] gnoel: you should basically add this http://pastebin.com/m6a5241ae into the xorg.conf, if still doesnt work [13:42] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] rlex (i=rlex@yunix.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:42] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [13:42] ok, i am going to try this. [13:42] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:43] thanks, for all your help everyone. i might be back for more [13:43] gnoel: actually this http://pastebin.com/m3dad24e9 [13:43] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.85.161.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:43] matt0 (n=matt0@203.213.78.125) joined ##slackware. [13:43] End section [13:43] with [13:43] so just create an xorg.conf file with that as the only content, right? [13:44] yeah, the hal dbus and xorg-server will be doing the rest [13:44] intelfb? Is that actually a driver? [13:44] hopefully [13:44] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [13:45] adamk: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/FB_INTEL.html [13:45] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [13:45] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:46] Well, yeah, that's a kernel module, not an Xorg module. [13:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:48] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Client Quit [13:49] ok, just tried with the xorg.conf file and it failed. [13:50] the grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log give [13:50] (EE) Failed to load module "intelfb" (module does not exist, 0) [13:50] (EE) No drivers available. [13:50] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@pool-173-75-173-54.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:51] Yeah, intelfb is a kernel module, not an Xorg driver. [13:51] gnoel, Change that line in your xorg.conf file so it loads 'intel' and not 'intelfb' [13:52] i just did now, and it bring up the desktop then hangs [13:52] /c/c [13:52] bah [13:52] Right, the mouse and keyboard aren't working? [13:52] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] the mouse seems to work as i can move it [13:53] gnoel, OK, so describe then "the desktop then hangs" [13:53] the keyboard i don't really have a chance to test it [13:54] i use xfce it brings up the desktop with the status bar at the bottom, the icon for the computer and the trash [13:54] and a window. i can move the mouse all i want but nothing else [13:54] also there are some blurb in the desktop [13:55] Well what else have you tried? Can you click on the desktop with the right mouse button? [13:55] Does alt+f2 bring up the run dialog? [13:55] let me go try [13:55] nope [13:56] So neither of those actions do anything. [13:56] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:56] no [13:56] There is a decent change that your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file might give us some hint as to what is going on. Any chance you can remotely log into that machine and copy the log file off? [13:57] Bassist (i=1000@c006.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) left irc: "Leaving" [13:57] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] i am remotely logged in now. where do i copy the file though? [13:57] Just copy it to another machine and then use a service like http://pastebin.com so that we can see it. [13:58] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.207.145.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] ah ok. just a moment. do you want the whole file? [13:58] Yep. [13:58] ok [13:59] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:59] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [14:01] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Success [14:01] chopp: I got ignored by missyjane \o/ FTW! [14:02] Stylles (n=Jully@201.3.92.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] http://pastebin.com/d40fd5d16 [14:03] sorry it took so long [14:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:04] btw lf4 if you wanted me to ignore you a long time ago you shouldve told me, esp if you were going to piss me off on purpose [14:04] gsan1 (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] i still love you missyjane [14:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:05] lol Pig_Pen hi [14:05] hi [14:06] gnoel: adamk is right use just intel isntead intel_fb in the xorg.conf [14:07] SlackWeird: i tried both [14:07] gnoel, Well I really don't see anything wrong in that log file. Perhaps it is xfce4 that is screwed up and not Xorg. [14:07] gnoel, You could try fluxbox instead. I think that comes with slackware 13.0 [14:07] well, i tried KDE4 same thing [14:08] if i remove the intel driver, i can use both xfce and KDE4 but at low resolution [14:08] It loads, and then hangs? [14:08] Right, because it's reverting to the vesa driver. [14:08] so, it makes me think that it is an intel driver issue [14:08] yes, it then uses vesa [14:08] this is something that I experience and others have experienced as well. [14:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] gnoel, Perhaps. I've never seen this before, though. [14:09] I have a system that cannot use any drivers for X other than vesa. [14:09] antiwire: are there any known resolutions? [14:09] gnoel, As another test, you could run 'xinit /usr/bin/xterm' which should start X with just an xterm, and see if the system at least starts into X and is responsive. [14:09] gnoel: you can try using the other intel driver versions in extra [14:09] ok, i'll try that [14:10] slackware-13.0/extra/xf86-video-intel-alternate/* [14:10] i have tried the other drivers in extra [14:10] look in there [14:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:10] but with no luck [14:10] gnoel: me too, not difference [14:10] what about bit rate? instead of 24 maybe try 16 [14:10] not/no [14:10] Pig_Pen: It doesn't matter [14:11] antiwire: so how are you coping? [14:11] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:11] running vesa [14:11] the driver that came with 12.2 worked like a charm [14:11] how do you get decent resolutions? the only one i get is 840x460 or something [14:11] steiger_1 (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) joined ##slackware. [14:12] gnoel: This began to happen before 13 was released, in the -current tree after one of the changes to xorg. [14:12] All this considered, I would definitely post this to the freedesktop.org bugzilla. [14:12] gnoel: I don't [14:12] adamk_: it's not an unknown bug [14:12] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:12] firedix (n=firedix@host246.201-252-172.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:12] antiwire, Perhaps, but just because it's not unknown doesn't mean it's been reported :-) [14:12] i was thinking to compile the driver for the 12.2 version and try that but it is not a trivial task [14:13] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:13] adamk_: The Slackware dev team knows about it and people other than me have had the same problem. [14:13] Right, but unless it's been reported to the freedesktop bugzilla, can you be sure that any of the intel developers actually know about it? [14:14] They know [14:14] it still hasn't been fixed, even after the changelogs mentioned X being sorted out [14:14] Cool, then what's the bug number? [14:15] I don't follow the mailinglist for the intel driver project [14:15] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] Nick change: gsan1 -> gnoel [14:16] Well if the changelogs mention it being fixed, and it's not fixed, then someone with this problem really needs to make sure that the appropriate bug is still open... Or, frankly, it will likely never get fixed. [14:16] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [14:16] I gave my report information to the people in here which were working closely with the xorg/intel people [14:16] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] Apparently not that closely if the changelogs mentioned it being resolved. [14:17] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [14:17] adamk_: I'm not waiting for it to be fixed, I'm not wasting anymore time rebuilding packages and testing random combinations either. [14:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) joined ##slackware. [14:17] But hey, what do I care. If you guys are happy using vesa, fuck it. [14:17] antiwire: i hav found this article on the web. have you tried this? http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/current-865G-Intel-chipset--ftopict500623.html [14:17] i haven't yet [14:18] gnoel: my mouse is not dead. X crashes and I can still move the mouse around fine. I can ssh into the system and reboot it and that is all. [14:19] trying to kill off X or change runlevels didn't help. I have to fully reboot when I try to use the intel driver in xorg.conf [14:19] ahh so it will get me nowhere then...hmm [14:19] InspectorWho (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) joined ##slackware. [14:19] yes, same here [14:19] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [14:19] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [14:19] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [14:20] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:20] how about using the 2.4.3 version which worked? could that solved the problem? [14:20] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] go for it and try [14:20] Any way to set up login-via-LDAP on Slackware, preferably without setting up PAM? [14:21] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:21] veritos: No, there is no way to hook the local login processes to advanced auth systems without PAM [14:21] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.78.204) joined ##slackware. [14:21] should i be able to use the one that comes off the SlackDVD for 12.2? Or do i need to build it with the new libc that comes with slack 13? [14:21] firedix (n=firedix@host246.201-252-172.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:22] The shadow package can support PAM and that is how you'd create the hook [14:22] gnoel, You should never mix binaries between different versions of the same distribution (or different distributions). If it doesn't work, you won't know if it's because the driver and/or X server are broken, or because you mixed versions. [14:22] antiwire, I just stumbled across http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/nss_ldap/ which looks like it might be a starting point for further research. [14:23] Action: veritos sees how out-of-date it is and says nevermind [14:23] that's what i thought. but compiling the driver isn't exactly a trivial task either [14:23] veritos: I don't know. If i was going for LDAP auth I'd use PAM [14:23] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-35-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [14:24] user2438 (n=user4592@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] I already have PAM fully integrated for my fingerprint reader [14:25] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] I just vanadlized my own system. [14:25] I removed a number of programs and now ssh does not work. [14:26] eh, was one of the removed programs called "openssh"? cause that'd explain it... [14:26] well......... [14:26] ganeshix, what's the error that you get? [14:26] I reinstalled openssh [14:26] veri [14:27] do you have a list of programs you removed? maybe in your .bash_history ? [14:27] if you used "removepkg" they'll be in /var/log/removed_packages [14:27] "libc? whats this? i've never used that!" [14:28] wow slack 14 rc1 has ext5 support! it's so fast boot [14:28] veritos, http://pastebin.com/m53ab2168 [14:28] veritos, it just keep silent after this [14:28] openssh needs openssl and openssl-solibs [14:29] if you removed either of those, then that would explain ssh not working [14:29] mancha, ill check. tnx [14:29] mancha: if you look at his pastebin, ssh runs, so it's not missing ssl libs [14:30] it gets as far as: debug1: Connecting to arwen [24.28.193.9] port 22. [14:30] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:31] I just checkec: I do have openssl and openssl-solibs [14:31] online, they're talking about it being a DNS caching problem, but i'm guessing that 'arwen' is in your subnet [14:31] ganeshix: what happens if you "telnet 24.28.193.9 22"? Does it ever connect, and if so, does it print a banner that looks anything like: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2 [14:31] moks107 (n=shim@84.255.139.245) left irc: Client Quit [14:32] dont forget, openssl and openssl-solibs have their own set of dependcies. libcrypto, libssl and so on [14:32] openssl-solibs contains libcrypto and libssl [14:32] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-lyhcauszcsewruks) joined ##slackware. [14:32] nooper, as far as non-very-base packages, its only openssl and openssl-solibs [14:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_ZX81 <- now thats a computer [14:33] try using http://www.serfish.com/console/ and see if it asks for your password (DON'T ENTER IT, OF COURSE) [14:33] it probably also needs zlib but then again the elflibs probably make sure to help in case you did something stupid [14:33] toastytoast: I used to know someone who had one of those, got to play with it some [14:33] Urchlay: they're not listed in /var/log/packages/openssl-solibs-* [14:33] oh nevermind [14:33] nooper: eh? [14:33] i kinda wich i had one to mess with [14:34] they are :) [14:34] hey, I'm getting " mount: /dev/sr0: can't read superblock " when I'm mounting dvd via sr0 [14:34] am I missing anything ? [14:34] nheco (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) joined ##slackware. [14:35] I have RC1 [14:35] ganeshix: honestly, it looks like you have a network issue, nothing wrong with ssh itself. Maybe the network just happened to develop this problem at the same time as you removed some software (coincidence, not causation) [14:35] whats on the dvd? [14:35] it's a blank rw [14:35] can't mount a blank dvd [14:35] never used [14:35] hrad: eh, why do you think you need to mount a blank dvd? [14:36] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:36] purpose of mounting is to read the data on it... blank = no data, not mountable, wouldn't be useful if you could mount it. Make sense? [14:36] omg, because I was working 13 hours .. I guess :) [14:36] hrad, refer to mount(8): One mounts a filesystem on a device, not the device itself. [14:36] UrchLay, tnx. You are exactly right. I just checked. [14:36] thank you [14:37] hrad: either get some sleep, or drink some coffee :) [14:38] In my desperation, I went downstairs and connected through an ethernet cable. Since I have permanent IP addresses at home, I had to run netsetup again for my eethernet connection. That wiped out my previous hosts file. [14:38] I'm gonna install the final release now :) [14:38] The ips were wrong. [14:38] That was it. [14:39] I was particularly uncautious today. [14:39] now removepkg openssl to see what that feels like [14:39] Maybe because it's Memorial Day. [14:39] j/k don't [14:39] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.78.204) left ##slackware ("It's getting to late."). [14:39] mancha, tnx a lot too. [14:40] Urchlay, you got it right from the outset: you must be psychic. [14:42] ganeshix: eh, I just read your pastebin... if I had psychic powers, I'd have been able to tell you why the network got broken, and when :) [14:42] Urchlay: hech, K3b shows the size of the slackware 13.0 iso is 1,7GB and different Md5 sum...but in filesystem it has correct size and correct md5 sum [14:42] huh? [14:43] adamk_: you mentionned trying xinit /usr/bin/xterm and see if it was responsive. I just did and it is, the keyboard works and i can run commands [14:43] hrad: yuck. You're 100% sure k3b is looking at the correct .iso file? [14:43] gnoel: r u still there? [14:43] yes [14:43] did you find out somthing interesting? [14:43] I suggest you read this [14:43] http://intellinuxgraphics.org/documentation.html [14:44] build the driver from scratch, using this http://intellinuxgraphics.org/install.html [14:44] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.207.145.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-lyhcauszcsewruks) left irc: "Page closed" [14:45] i saw that yesterday, but i am not too sure about it [14:45] if his slackware-13.0 iso is 1.7G it is the home made one from ftp.slackware.no without source/ [14:45] gnoel: it will do the trick just follow that [14:46] i am wondering about the requirement to compile the driver [14:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:46] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] gnoel: are you on 13.0? [14:47] yes [14:47] a kernel upgrade would do you good then.. [14:47] there is one in extra/ [14:47] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.81.135) joined ##slackware. [14:47] i have not tried that one myself, but i run a comparable version (drm/dri/kms wise) [14:47] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:48] but other than that, you should be good to go [14:48] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [14:48] macavity, my problem is that i am having problem with the intel driver and the new Xorg. could upgrading the kernel solve the issue? [14:49] "the new xorg" being the stock slackware version, or the latest git/beta? [14:49] stock slackware version [14:49] WhiteMagic (n=white@p549FDD24.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] xf86-video-intel-2.8.0? [14:49] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] yes, but i have also tried all the alternate drivers in /extra [14:50] with or without xorg.conf? [14:50] both [14:50] any things in /var/log/Xorg.0.log about drmOpen or vblank? [14:50] checking [14:51] no [14:51] anthing about drm at all [14:51] ? [14:52] drmAddMap gives a non-fatal error here [14:52] no, [14:52] but yes, i think a kernel upgrade might help you [14:52] grep -i drm /var/log/Xorg.0.log returns nothing [14:53] have you ever compiled a intel driver from scratch, macavity [14:53] ? [14:53] dakarn (n=skas@93.68.94.227) left irc: "leaving" [14:54] yes [14:55] just use the xorg .SlackBuild [14:55] it is rather easy [14:55] gnoel: your problem is that HAL is trying to use a depracated driver which doesnt ship with kernel anymore "(EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)" [14:55] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Quitting" [14:55] so you should point some usable driver in your xorg.conf [14:56] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:56] thats why you should build the driver from scratch [14:56] but i do when i use the xorg.conf in Device->Driver = intel, right? [14:57] gnoel: /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [14:57] paste here [14:57] try #modinfo intel [14:57] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] /j #modinfo [14:57] oops [14:57] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [14:57] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] modinfo: could not find module intel [14:58] thrice`: are you arnound? [14:58] gnoel: that is the xorg module.. not the kernel module [14:58] the kernel module is called i956 [14:58] *i965 [14:59] gnoel, modinfo only works on loaded modules. look at /proc/modules [14:59] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521ffc.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:59] mancha: wrong [15:00] mancha: modinfo works on any module pressent in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ [15:00] i meant kernel modules not loaded [15:01] macavity, i am confused about the kernel module vs the other module [15:03] nheco (n=nheco@201.10.44.57) left irc: "Saindo" [15:04] re [15:04] gnoel, So you got X working properly with just an xterm? [15:04] gnoel: ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/ [15:04] gnoel: the name in xorg.conf is postfixed with _drv.so [15:04] well, i don't have the desktop but xterm was responsive [15:04] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:05] gnoel, Once you get the xterm running, try launching fluxbox from it and see if you end up with a working fluxbox session. [15:05] just returned from Walmart; i think a girl there a growing sweet on me. [15:05] Quiznos, that's what they all say [15:05] who? [15:05] ok, ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri, i don't have i956_dri.so [15:06] all of 'em [15:06] she didnt say anythng; it's how she speaks and looks at me [15:06] i have i810_dri.so i915_dri.so and i965dri.so [15:06] i956 is fubar, thats nonsense [15:07] mancha, maybe it was a typo [15:07] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [15:07] high fire [15:07] yeah, could be [15:08] adamk_, how do i launch fluxbox from xterm? [15:08] matt0 she prods me to say what i'm thinking about [15:08] gnoel, Just run 'fluxbox &'. It should launch. [15:08] ok, trying [15:08] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:09] shouldn't it be "startfluxbox"? that's what i put in the .xinitrc [15:09] rg3 user's choice [15:09] oh, i see, i didn't put it [15:09] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: "Leaving." [15:09] # *box [15:09] a program did, probable wmconfig :D [15:09] xwm* [15:10] a;tho the ^x is redundant [15:10] i love italian sausage [15:10] i got a fat stick [15:10] lol [15:10] oh boy [15:11] wish i had provolone [15:11] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:11] i have muenster :) [15:11] nix_chix0r pervert; i tawkin fo0d here [15:11] hence the nick? :) [15:11] the muenster mash? [15:11] heh [15:11] me too [15:12] muenster cheese is bomb [15:13] girl gave me her email & webaddy [15:13] adamk_, i type fluxbox & in the xterm. it tries to bring up the wm but then hangs [15:13] Hmmm... [15:13] gnoel kill and strace it [15:13] gnoel, Do you have a "Module" section in your xorg.conf file? [15:13] adam oops ; move your fat toe :) [15:14] no, right now i am without an xorg.conf [15:14] Quiznos, will strace but first i need to reboot [15:14] gnoel: echo fluxbox ~/.xinitrc [15:14] kk [15:14] and try again [15:15] gnoel, But X is using the intel driver still? [15:15] gnoel: echo fluxbox > ~/.xinitrc [15:15] fixed it [15:15] it should [15:15] chmod +x .xinitrc [15:15] gnoel, I'd suggest disabling direct rendering by creating an xorg.conf file with these four lines: http://pastebin.com/m72fbd70c [15:15] gnoel, At least this way we can determine if the problem is due to the 3D driver. [15:16] ok, i'll try [15:16] crap on tv [15:16] have to reboot machine first [15:16] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:16] stop threatening and do it already :) [15:16] heh [15:16] ok, i will do that [15:16] kthnxbai [15:17] crap on tv [15:17] lf4: ping [15:17] Action: Quiznos pokes chopp and falls over [15:18] i love sharp nives to cut food [15:18] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] taht the way uh hu uh huh i like it uh huh uh huh [15:18] user2438 (n=user4592@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:18] Action: Quiznos bops [15:19] past few days we have been watching househusbands of hollywood [15:19] oh lord, just what we need, a singing sub. :/ [15:19] now all i need is the BG's [15:19] BGs [15:19] adamk_, i get an error that module isnt a valid keyword in that section [15:19] BeeGee's [15:19] 1029BobFM.com [15:20] hi guys any tips installing festival on slackware 12.2 [15:20] nop; its BGs; Brothers Gibb; not possessive [15:20] gnoel: no, i965 is the *kernel* module [15:20] ./../../../speech_tools/include/EST_THandle.h:140: warning: friend declaration 'int operator==(const EST_THandle&, const EST_THandle&)' declares a non-template function [15:20] gnoel: intel_drv.so (short: intel) is the xorg module [15:21] macavity, i do have i965_dri.so in /usr/lib/modules/dri [15:21] gnoel, Sorry, my mistake. On that last line, it should just be EndSection, without the "Module" [15:21] gnoel: sooory [15:21] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] my mistake [15:21] those are the Mesa drivers [15:21] bnhashmi return to coder [15:21] alicephilippa (i=alice@88.128.90.245) joined ##slackware. [15:22] gnoel: the 2D drivers are in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ [15:22] Quiznos: How i can fix it? [15:22] if you dont know c++, you cant. [15:22] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] adamk_, YES, i do get my wm running [15:22] bnhashmi return to coder [15:23] "dead code walkin" [15:23] gnoel, Woohoo. [15:23] lol [15:23] Quiznos: i am searching for a text2speech tool [15:23] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] adamk_: thannnnnnnnnksss [15:23] freshmeat |sourceforge [15:23] Well, the good news is that xfce4 and KDE4 will probably both work, at a decent resolution, but without 3D acceleration at the moment. [15:23] gnoel: yes, it is unfortunate that both the kernel and the mesa driver is called i965 [15:23] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-135-130.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] ew [15:24] Quiznos: i want asterisk to place a call when a device is down in Nagios. [15:24] ok [15:24] gnoel, There is some something with the direct rendering modules that is causing a problem. [15:24] macavity, is the mesa driver the 3D drivers? sorry for my lack of knowledge [15:24] search freshmeat |sourceforge [15:24] gnoel: yes [15:24] Yes, mesa provides the non-kernel 3D module. There is also a kernel 3D module provided by... Well, the kernel. [15:24] adamk_: without 3D acceleration is still much better than not having it at all [15:24] s/3D/DRI [15:24] adamk_: ^^ [15:25] wow kernel compile failed [15:25] here [15:25] you guys rule!!!! [15:26] gnoel, Are you using a framebuffer device at all (ie. what is the output of 'cat /proc/fb' ?)? [15:26] gNoel; are you GPL'd? [15:26] :) [15:26] in any case i dont plan on doing any serious graphic work on that machine [15:26] gNoel; are you a GNU development project? :) [15:26] cat /proc/fb ==> 0 VESA VESA [15:26] matt0 (n=matt0@203.213.78.125) left irc: [15:27] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Quiznos, no. why? [15:27] gNoel, maybe a December surprise project? :) [15:27] :) just funin ya :) [15:27] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] gnoel, The first thing that comes to mind now is that the framebuffer device might be interfering with the DRM kernel module. [15:27] Noel [15:27] CaptNemo (n=CaptNemo@adsl-75-60-180-14.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:27] time of the year [15:27] Quiznos, hahaha quite the joker, i see [15:28] gnoel, You could try disabling the framebuffer device by booting with 'vga=normal' as an argument to the kernel (or editing /etc/lilo.conf and rerunning 'lilo') and then trying Xorg again with the dri and dri2 modules loaded. [15:28] trollish actually; good mood atm [15:28] the kernel DRI/DRM driver is called i965, the Mesa 3D driver needs the kernel driver to privide fast 3D via i965_drv.so, and the xorg 2D driver (called "intel") tells the Mesa driver to render 3D things into windows that it has allready set up [15:28] adamk_, you speak chinese to me at the moment [15:28] heh [15:28] lol [15:28] DRI == Direct Rendering Interface, and DRM == Direct Rendering Manager [15:28] riaa.drm == life suxers [15:28] Yeah, basically my current theory is that the framebuffer device and the direct rendering manager are competing over control to the video card. This can be a bad thing. [15:28] adamk_, yes i can try that. [15:28] is that mandarin? [15:29] or chin? [15:29] adamk_, actually i'll try now [15:29] gnoel: you are not dont anything with modesetting, right? [15:30] Hmmm.. That's an interesting thought. [15:30] as KMS is totally broken on the 13.0 kernel [15:30] macavity, no, at least not directly [15:30] got me a 16g secure jumpdrive for 15.us$ @walmart (discontinued stock) [15:30] macavity, that is not that I am aware (newbie here) [15:31] then you are not [15:31] it takes knowledge and direct action to enable KMS [15:31] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-35-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Connection timed out [15:31] KMS == Kernel Mode Setting [15:31] Ahhh, that's good to know. After you said that, I thought it might be enabled by default, or something stupid like that :-) [15:31] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] what does KMS do? [15:32] It moves the normal job of setting monitor modes from Xorg to the kernel. [15:32] it makes the kernel interact with the monitor/graphics hardware [15:32] Stylles (n=Jully@200-103-171-171.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:32] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-115-83.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:32] instead of the Xorg server [15:32] also it gives a nice and pretty console ;-) [15:33] Action: macavity is running the linux console at 1280x800@24bbp [15:33] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [15:33] oh ok. [15:33] all the way to X startup.. and it flicker-free [15:33] macavity, intel? [15:33] mac, what fbval is that? [15:33] adamk_: yup [15:33] yay usb works [15:33] adamk_: kernel .30 and above had it right [15:34] adamk_: options i915 modeset=1 [15:34] Never tried it on intel, but I have it working on my r500 at work. [15:34] 1280x800 isnt std, is it? [15:34] Quiznos: it is not a VESA standard, no [15:34] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:34] macavity what's the vga= val? [15:34] Quiznos: that is why you need KMS or intelfb to get it right.. and intelfb on its own is a *major* pita [15:34] kk [15:34] Quiznos: no vga= statement [15:34] since when does kms exist? [15:34] orly? how is it set? [15:34] it is *not* a vesa vga text console [15:35] kk [15:35] adamk_, I started kernel with vga = normal, reenabled dri, dri2 (renamed xorg.conf), startx and same hanging problem as before [15:35] it detects the native resolution of the panel itself [15:35] if the framebuffer was causing X problems i would disable it completely maybe even go so far as to rebuild the kernel without framebuffer support if it was being a real pest to disable [15:35] ah [15:35] Quiznos, The DRM talks to the monitor to pick up the best resolution. [15:35] nods [15:35] gnoel: If you had started to build the driver since when I told you, by now you'd be already watching movies through your favorite WM [15:35] gnoel: It's going to keep doing it too. [15:35] gnoel, Alright, so there goes that theory... Sorry. [15:35] i hate it when "they" reuse establish acronyms [15:35] drm being the worst offender [15:36] DRM existed in linux before it was the digital rights crap. [15:36] exactly [15:36] So I'm not sure which "they" you are talking about :-) [15:36] Ahhh. [15:36] we dont exist to them [15:36] heh [15:36] Just wanted to make sure your anger was aimed in the right direction :-) [15:36] good; mayhaps they'll leave us alone [15:36] _kevlinux_ (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:36] heh it is [15:36] i rarely mispoint [15:37] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:37] so, a kernel make here failed; 'no mem' [15:37] `ld: final link failed; mem exhausted' [15:37] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [15:37] gnoel, You could try bringing this up on #intel-gfx, or the dri-users or dri-devel mailing list and see if they have any suggestions. That is if you really care about 3D acceleration. [15:38] antiwire: thanks to adamk_, i created an xorg.conf file with the content found here (http://pastebin.com/m72fbd70c), and i was then able to start X. you might want to give it a try/ [15:38] restart kern make all [15:38] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] foureyes779 (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [15:39] notKlaatu why the negative? [15:39] adamk_, i think i might just for the heck of it (and hoping to learn a few things) [15:39] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:39] adamk_, but i am ok without 3D accl as I am not using that maching much with X [15:39] Quiznos: because klaatu was already taken when i was registering my nick. [15:39] Quiznos: er, i mean, cuz i'm hardcore like that. [15:39] adamk_: however, i really really appreciate all your help [15:40] lol [15:40] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:40] look at him defy society!! [15:41] srecko1 (n=srecko@93-139-90-102.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:41] "society" is a fiction [15:41] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [15:41] ftw [15:41] gnoel, No problem. Glad to help. [15:41] antiwire: EndSection without "Module" at the end [15:41] gnoel, Just sorry it took so long for me to make that suggestion about disabling DRI. [15:41] hm [15:41] can softwares destroy hardware? [15:41] yes [15:41] missyjane, If the software has direct access to the hardware, sure. [15:41] vista does it all the time :-p [15:41] chips can be built with "kill swicthes" internally [15:41] adamk_, the process was also fun, especially when there is a resolution at the end, hehe [15:42] bad reflashes can too [15:42] wrong freqs to monitors, repeated cycleing of drives, to name a few things [15:42] there was a kernel bug in 2.6.28 or so that was eating e1000 nics [15:42] recycling of power too [15:42] adamk, really? i never heard of anything lik ethat [15:42] i destroyed a monitor once by using it at too high of a resolution lol [15:42] it's bad to cycle power to electronic devices. [15:42] this was an old ghetto 15 inch monitor [15:42] adamk_, how did you acquire all that knowledge? do you work much with video cards or the kernel? [15:42] that was probably dieing anyway [15:42] wears out mobo components [15:43] gnoel, I've been dealing with Xorg on Linux and FreeBSD for nearly 12 years. [15:43] gnoel we wear ear plugs and try not to forget [15:43] i've forgotten more than most people about alot of subjects [15:43] missyjane, Sure.. For example, a video card driver could run your card at a higher frequency than the card really supports, causing it to overheat. [15:44] adamk, hm wow.. [15:44] what about cpu or hard drive? [15:44] cpu, probably not (unless fan control died or something) [15:44] adamk_, wow...i know who to ask next time i have a video issue. [15:45] make failed again [15:45] bah. "I'm 4 1/2 years old, and I can use windows". I hate that ad. [15:45] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-lomdhczleupogcqj) joined ##slackware. [15:45] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:45] lol [15:45] when i was 4 1/2 i was using dos :-p [15:45] i think cpu has a protection against that if i remember correctly but not sure at all, what about hard drive? [15:46] Urchlay: I gave it up, the 1.63 version of k3b is really crapy, I hope that in final 13.0 release there is 1.67 [15:46] i dont get it, what commercial? [15:47] missyjane, Probably depends on the hard drive and CPU. And, of course, the software. [15:47] thumbs i'm 2.half years old and run linux [15:47] missyjane: It's a Microsoft commercial where they have a 4 1/2 year old putting a picture onto the computer from a camera and at the end of the ad she says "Im a PC and I'm 4 1/2" [15:47] adamk, i just want to see if its posisble to write a malicious software to do that [15:48] it gets stuck on 99% everytime...and another weird thing is that there is no wodim package in RC1, how can I use growisofs if for non-blank dvd-rw, if I can't blank them with wodim [15:48] missyjane, I'm not sure of those specific cases, but generally speaking, I think a driver could cause very serious damage to most types of hardware. [15:48] so the Kid is a PC? Fascinating. 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[15:52] stunix (i=1000@80.239.44.253) got netsplit. [15:52] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got netsplit. [15:52] 1st google hit for "wodim" says: Oct 28, 2008 ... The cdrecord program has been renamed to wodim ("write optical disk media") so that users will not confuse it with the original cdrecord, [15:52] wodim is part of cdrkit. [15:52] A replacement for cdrtools [15:53] Which was forked over a license issue. [15:53] There is still much drama. [15:53] right. Slackware ships with the original cdrtools, so you'd use "cdrecord -format blahblah" instead of wodim [15:53] or dvd+rw-format [15:53] Urchlay: you saved my life :) finally I can go home, thank you [15:53] The new k3b should accept either. [15:54] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) returned to ##slackware. [15:54] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) returned to ##slackware. [15:54] nepenthe (n=ville@MYCCXXIII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) returned to ##slackware. 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[15:57] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) got lost in the net-split. [15:57] i am a cool man, thanks to the fan i bought this summer [15:57] adamk_: no man.. she threw me out :-/ [15:58] adamk_: that is, after i tried diggin a real basment (we lived on the 3rd floor) [15:58] Bah. [15:58] rg3: no, you are a man who is about to have a cold ;-) [15:59] heh [15:59] macavity: hehe, nopes, i've been using it for more than a month and i'm still fine [15:59] you dont get a col from being cold [15:59] col/cold [15:59] a rhinosceros virus is not from the cold [15:59] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-145-105.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:00] lol [16:00] it's rhinovirus [16:00] ty for paying attn [16:00] that's funi [16:00] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:00] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) joined ##slackware. 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[16:01] besides, you spelled rhinoceros wrong too. :P [16:02] good night folks [16:02] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [16:02] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:02] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:02] in observance of labor day, surely [16:02] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-115-83.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Connection timed out [16:03] you really dont comprehend puns and figero spishes, do you? :( [16:03] even mispellings tell a story. [16:03] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@64.208.214.225) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] or add emphasis [16:03] yeah, a story of "Look at me, I can't spell" :P [16:04] and yes, I comprehend puns and figures of speech :) [16:04] then why do you protest so much? [16:05] [yop] (n=[yop]@lar56-1-88-178-152-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] I don't protest, you can't type however you want. 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[16:06] gottawatit till splits finish [16:06] yeah [16:06] i ated them :)) [16:06] multiples [16:06] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:06] 3 so fae [16:06] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) got netsplit. [16:06] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [16:06] far [16:06] Tassis (n=tassis@valadares.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] [christel] [Global Notice] Hi all, one of our american hubs appear to be having some issues presently, we're looking into it and hopefully will have things back to normal shortly. It may be slightly noisy should we need to re-hub [16:07] must be rebelling [16:07] ahh [16:07] GO TEAM! [16:07] echtts (n=echtts@201-93-237-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [16:07] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:18] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) returned to ##slackware. [16:18] y0 slackers..How's everyone? [16:18] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [16:18] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) returned to ##slackware. [16:19] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [16:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:19] ArTourter (n=artourte@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [16:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Xeus_22 (n=Xeus_22@190.51.247.6) joined ##slackware. [16:20] hi! [16:20] i don't speach in english [16:20] we dont write x [16:20] i problem whith amsn and autopackage [16:21] whats your native lang? [16:21] autopackage install amsn-0.97.2-1.tcl85.x86.package [16:21] Sorry, Autopackage only supports x86 32-bit systems, or 64-bit systems with compatibility libraries installed. Please install the compatibility libraries and rerun install. [16:21] Quiznos, is spanish [16:21] ##linux-es i think [16:21] :'( [16:22] Xeus, it seems that you are trying to install on a 64 bit system and it is saying it needs 32 bit libs [16:23] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) got lost in the net-split. [16:23] are you on slackware64-13? if so, i've seen people paste a multi-lib thing that alienBob has written up [16:23] mancha, How do I install the libraries?? [16:23] dl the source [16:23] yes... [16:23] and compile amule [16:23] its easy and fast [16:23] and it will work [16:23] amule/amsn [16:23] mancha, i slackware64-13 [16:24] Xeus_22, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [16:24] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) got lost in the net-split. [16:24] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) got lost in the net-split. [16:24] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [16:24] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@bender.elementalit.net) got lost in the net-split. [16:24] admiralboom (n=mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) got lost in the net-split. [16:24] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) got lost in the net-split. [16:24] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [16:24] Heh. [16:24] Xeus_22: what is "autopackage"? It is no part of Slackware [16:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:24] i need install amsn alienBOB [16:24] That is no answer to my question [16:25] that .package looks debian-ish [16:25] i download, compile e install the source: not found... [16:25] Xeus_22, I would recommend using slackbuild instead of autopackage. [16:25] There is a slackbuild for amsn: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/amsn/ [16:25] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/amsn/ :) [16:25] adamk_: haha [16:25] adamk_: you're too quick. :P [16:25] Heh. 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[16:39] install and reinstall tls module..... and not found [16:40] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:40] [16:40] he asks me to install, says not detected [16:41] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [16:42] chopp: ack [16:42] Xeus_22, You are trying this via slackbuild? Did you install tls via slackbuild too? [16:42] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] Wazzeg (n=Wazzeg@wc4zo1he33.adsl.datanet.hu) joined ##slackware. [16:42] adamk, yes [16:42] install via slackbuild [16:42] lf4: pm? [16:42] Xeus_22, So grab tls from slackbuild and install that. [16:43] sure chopp [16:46] core dump on kernel make clean [16:46] Nick change: Quibbler -> Quiznos [16:46] if just a make clean is core dumping you have serious issues. [16:46] yep [16:47] is this the same system which you upgraded using the Quiznos method instead of the UPGRADE.TXT method? [16:47] lol [16:48] haha [16:48] hey fire|bird [16:48] hi [16:48] \o/ [16:49] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:49] yes (smart ass :) [16:50] fire|bird: how's everything going? Any new kernel rebuilds? [16:50] btw, i've actually scene this happ before [16:50] nope, no new builds. [16:50] it's a makefile prob actually [16:50] deja vu,Quiznos? [16:50] figabo_ (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) joined ##slackware. [16:50] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [16:50] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] fire|bird: Thats good news. :) I'm just about to install slack64 on my laptop. [16:51] heya MLanden, how's it going? [16:52] y0 fire|bird..just chillin'..you? [16:52] MLanden: not doing much, just messing with some audio stuff. [16:52] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:53] fire|bird: cool....tweak away..:D [16:53] MLanden: Will do. :) [16:54] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [16:54] hi, i am running slack 13 + alienBob's multilib support. i have a question about convertpkg script that he provides. if i take a 32 bit app that he has packaged , xvidcap for instance, and run it through the convertpkg tool, will it 'just work', or will i have to alter, compile other libs? [16:54] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:55] hrmm...would anyone have an idea why I keep getting the following message: errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in /usr/lib/libz.so when attempting to compile anything? [16:57] blkdg, Any 32-bit libraries that application depends on will need to be installed. 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[17:04] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:04] MLanden kinda; but i know what to do [17:04] gotta blame coders tho [17:04] blkdg, To make a multilib system, you ran that mass conversion, right? That create 32 bit versions of all the 64 bit libraries installed in Slackware 13. [17:04] Quiznos: good to hear...good luck on a resolution [17:04] blkdg, If you need another library that didn't come with slackware 13, you'd need to download it and install it in /usr/lib/, but don't yell if it doesn't work :-) [17:04] heh; stop kissing my ass pls; it's crowded alrady [17:04] lol [17:04] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Quiznos: you should clean your ass more regularly [17:04] ty [17:04] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. 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[17:06] good question,lf4 [17:07] adamk, i took xvidcap from alien's repo, then i ran convertpkg-compat32 -i xvidcap-1.1.7-i486-1alien.tgz then i installpkg ./xvidcap-compat32-1.1.7-x86_64-1alien.txz. there were no errors, but i cannot run xvidcap. it doesn't auto fill in my bash prompt [17:07] lf4 net-{wplit,joins} [17:07] Stylles (n=Jully@200-103-171-171.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: No route to host [17:07] to the stubot [17:07] witukind_ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-238-95.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [17:07] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [17:07] Ah ok [17:08] this was the only odd bit An installation script was detected in ./install/doinst.sh, but was not executed. [17:08] run it [17:09] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] bhaki (n=bhaki@121.242.77.130) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] Instained_Atom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] kozandr (n=kozandr@92.243.174.247) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:09] blkdg, 32 bit binaries are installed to /usr/bin/32/ [17:09] blkdg, Check to see if xvidcap exists there. [17:09] ok [17:10] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] Instained_Atom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.178.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Quiznos: stop commenting on what you do not understand [17:12] Run it... NOT [17:12] It is a message a the end of makepkg and you can ignore it blkdg [17:12] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [17:13] adamk, you're right it's there, and when i run it i get /xvidcap: error while loading shared libraries: libglade-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. i take it i need a 64 bit version of this? [17:14] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:14] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:14] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host197-69-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [17:14] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] blkdg: the script convertpkg-compat32 was meant to convert original Slackware 32bit packages and to build a multilib layer on Slackware64. I do not guarantee it's usefulness if you start using it on non-Slackware packages. [17:15] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host197-69-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:15] thanks alienBOB i really want to understand how ths works so i can finish tweaking my laptop [17:15] blkdg: you need a 32bit version of libglade, remember xvidcap is 32bit too [17:15] ok [17:16] so, assuming libglade exists at in the slacktree in 32bit, i can take it and put it in the dir structure that your multilib script built, right? [17:16] The use of 32bit software on a 64bit OS should really stay limited to binary software that only exists as 32bit, and for which no source code is available (so that you cannot compile a 64bit program yourself) [17:16] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [17:16] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] blackula_ (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [17:17] blkdg: convertpkg-compat32 libglade-XXXXXX.txz followed by: installpkg libglade-compat32-XXXXXX.txz [17:17] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [17:17] ok, that's helping! [17:18] could i ask you to please add that last line to your wiki? [17:19] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [17:19] naniwick ready to make a kernel? [17:20] ViN86 (i=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-TWO-TWELVE.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [17:21] umm, i found this with the package browser at slackware.com libglade-2.6.4-i486-2.txz, but every mirror i try including slackware.com says file not cound. [17:21] found. [17:22] http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=13.0/libglade-2.6.4-i486-2.txz is where i'm lookinf [17:22] looking [17:22] witukind__ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-236-120.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/slackware/l/libglade-2.6.4-i486-2.txz [17:23] InspectorWho (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) left irc: [17:25] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:25] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/l/libglade-2.6.4-i486-2.txz.tgz The requested URL /pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/l/libglade-2.6.4-i486-2.txz.tgz was not found on this server. [17:25] weird [17:25] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-233-105.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:26] wait [17:26] i see txz.tgz [17:26] use wget with that URL i posted [17:26] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FED24.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [17:26] when all else fails copy & paste [17:26] thanks Pig_Pen_ , but all the mirrors have that double extension bug [17:26] getting it. [17:27] hmm, yeah, i just noticed that myself [17:27] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:27] i rightclicked on the item and selected "Copy Link Location" is how i got it [17:28] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] a really funi on the tv marathon now; catch now [17:30] lweis marathon [17:30] lewis [17:30] ok, so libglade made xvidcap happy, now it seems i need libdbus-glib-1.so.2 is this going to keep on happeingnin? [17:31] why didn't you do a full slackware install ? [17:32] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/ [17:32] yup, a full install would have saved you this trouble [17:32] /var/log/packages/dbus-glib-0.80-x86_64-1 [17:33] /var/log/packages/libglade-2.6.4-x86_64-2 [17:33] thrice`, i did from the dvd [17:33] JosyR (n=JRosy@adsl-75-35-186-195.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] no you didn't [17:33] no? [17:33] you'd have these packages [17:33] but i chose the first choice, bull install [17:33] full [17:33] rather [17:34] run "ls /var/log/packages/*dbus*" and pastebin it ? [17:34] ok [17:34] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] http://pastebin.ca/1557718 [17:35] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [17:36] ^ I solved my problem above (errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in /usr/lib/libz.so) by removing the symbolic link pointing to zlib.so.1.0.4 with the proper, zlib.so.1.2.3...something I installed must have changed this !! [17:36] how does that look? [17:36] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-238-99.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] blkdg: good :) what package is complaining about that library ? was it a third-party package you installed? [17:37] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [17:37] edman007 (n=edman007@ool-18bca56c.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] i am trying to learn how to use alien's multilib i would like to use his xvidcap pkg [17:39] hmm, mrxvt is fairly cool, i think i will abandon sakura for this [17:40] kbrd (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:40] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] moks107 (n=shim@84.255.139.245) left ##slackware. [17:41] libtheora.so.0 now. [17:42] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:42] umm, is there a faster way than this? [17:42] how many libs are there for this app [17:44] SiegeX- (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] htmlol (n=take@ool-457a3d2d.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:45] datou__ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:45] kbrd (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:45] datou__ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) joined ##slackware. [17:45] does anyone know why the package browser is addin wrong extensions / dir names? [17:46] 32bit compatibility sucks IMO. if you need it, use a 32bit distribution. [17:46] datou_ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) joined ##slackware. [17:48] ummm, i don't need it sahko . i just have a 64 bit machine that ran 12.2 in 32bit, and then i installed 13.0, and was trying to add all the apps i had before. [17:49] you just described need in more words [17:49] but i shudder to think what would happen if this was an app that i actually needed. [17:49] ok, well i need citrix client [17:50] i see your point [17:50] blkdg: I actually use citrix client on Slackware64 - that was why I started the multilib effort [17:50] That, and you need to replace lesstif with openmotif (I have a package) [17:51] my god, sainthood is just around the corner for you. [17:51] and pat [17:51] and most kind folks here. [17:51] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.88.72.243.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:52] lol [17:53] alienBOB is now known as aliensaintBOB [17:53] chopp: knight him :) [17:53] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] :) [17:53] lf4 is now known as NotWorthy :P [17:54] fire|bird: :P oh and PM? [17:54] mentr (n=Hey@adsl-64-237-139-36.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] ok, is another way to do this then me running /usr/bin/32/xvidcap over and over and building the libs , converting them rather? [17:56] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Connection timed out [17:57] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] As I said - rebuild it from source as a native 64bit app. You'll save yourselves a lot of trouble. Alternatively, keep starting it, looking at what missing library it complains about, convert that library's package into a -compat32 package, etc... [17:59] Ad nauseam [17:59] yeah, no more libs missing, now i get this (xvidcap:8365): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file '/usr/share/xvidcap/glade/gnome-xvidcap.glade' [17:59] tada! [17:59] ok, i missed that/ [17:59] i will try. [18:01] smoooth (n=smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Just upgraded my server from 12.2 to 13.0 over ssh, no problem, workin like a charm :) Only afew .new files to check out [18:05] datou__ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) left irc: Connection timed out [18:06] so, what is a wireless card's "nickname" (set with "iwconfig nick") actually used for, if anything? [18:07] I don't know that it is used for anything and some nic's don't even support it. [18:08] my card works fine with the ath5k driver, but when running rc.inet1 I get "Error for wireless request "Set Nickname" (8B1C) : SET failed on device ath0 ; Operation not supported." [18:08] apparently ath5k doesn't support it [18:08] figabo_ (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] and I can ignore the error msg, it doesn't hurt anything, was just curious [18:09] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.150) joined ##slackware. [18:09] I get the same message here also. [18:09] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:11] iw is used now [18:12] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:12] trying to generate some applications from slackbuilds for x86_64 but when I run slackbuild script it stops on "configure: error: the important kde-config was not found!" any ideas why it would say this [18:12] slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:12] datou_ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:13] datou_ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) joined ##slackware. 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I know people used to have problems [18:16] ahh maybe those arent _64 13 ready [18:16] I thought the "Set Nickname" error was patched out, but I guess the patch was never applied in Slackware... [18:17] UrchLap: no as I use a linux-wireless kernel tree. I'm waiting for 2.6.31 for just this reason. [18:17] smoooth, it is unlikely that all the kde slackbuilds have been updated by their maintainers [18:17] smoooth: on SLackware 13 there is no external dependency for digikam... Slackware contains all [18:18] you could give them a nudge though ;) [18:18] alienBOB: what's the patch do, just &>/dev/null the command? [18:18] oh sweet thanks [18:18] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [18:18] Except for my own package for which I also built lensfun (which makes that a dependency for my digikam package) [18:18] Whoa KDE4 :) [18:18] UrchLap: not setting the nick [18:18] thanks alienb [18:19] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [18:19] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:19] yah, that'd work too. iwconfig(8) says the nick is useless anyway [18:19] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521ffc.cns.vt.edu) left ##slackware. [18:19] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [18:20] KDE4 looks like vista. [18:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:20] alienBOB, i just installed xennapp client 11.0 and it works great, i'm connected to work and i'm running apps across the vpn. but my question is this, is xennapp client working because of the mass conversion script that you wrote and i ran? [18:20] KDE looks better [18:20] UrchLap: well I guess my wait is up. 2.6.31-rc9 ath5k AP mode enabled. :) [18:20] quasar: Well yeah but still is really close to vista. [18:20] otherwise, if i haddednt done the mass convert, it wouldn't run right alienBOB ? [18:21] antiwire: you see that? :) [18:21] Urch, some script of yours seems to be using iwconfig nick (takei it out) [18:21] mancha: eh, /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 uses it. I just commented it out [18:22] so people do use those scripts? :) [18:22] sure, I'm lazy, if the scripts work I use 'em [18:22] (and it was working already, just printing a harmless error message) [18:23] chopp: you have it running now, you mean? nice. [18:24] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.178.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:24] UrchLap: no I just downloaded it, and checked out ath5k/base.c and it's ready for AP [18:25] blkdg: without the massconvert32 script and installing the resulting packages, the Xenapp client would not have run on Slackware. [18:25] Slackware64 that is [18:26] alienBOB, ok, can i remove all the libs that the mass convert put in tmp? [18:26] Yes [18:26] are you planning to make 64 bit versions of the goodies on your site? [18:26] crossing fingers.... [18:29] chopp: stoked! [18:30] antiwire: haha, figured you'd be liking that. [18:30] anyhow, when i run /usr/bin/32/xvidcap, i get this error (xvidcap:11519): libglade-WARNING **: could not find glade file '/usr/share/xvidcap/glade/gnome-xvidcap.glade' but i know that i don't have a /usr/share/xvidcap. how can i fix that error without compling xvidcap from scratch? [18:30] blkdg: I need (1) more time and (2) faster hardware. I only build 64bit versions of new software I add to the repo, or older software that I need to install on my desktop computer. [18:31] makes perfect sence alienBOB [18:32] by repo do you mean yours or slackbuilds or both? is it the same? [18:32] blkdg: the original xvidcap package has /usr/share/xvidcap/glade/gnome-xvidcap.glade ... [18:32] so should i just copy the file from where it is to where it thinks it should be? [18:32] But... [18:33] I have some troubles typing [18:33] :) [18:33] My convertpkg-compat32 script removes usr/share from the package it is converting. Like I said, it is primarily to be used with official Slackware packages [18:34] It removes a lot more too... everything that is already present in the 64bit package that it expects you to have already installed [18:34] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:34] So, there is your problem [18:35] kevin01133 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:35] As anyone succesfully compiled Amarok 2.1.80 in Slackware? [18:35] Has* [18:35] in 2.6.29.6, arch/x86/boot/compressed/relocs.c, undefined STT_COMMON; undefined STT_TLS; -- anyone else have this error? [18:36] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] Quiznos: Your kernel is 2.6.29, but Slackware x86 used 2.6.29-smp. Are you using Slackware64 or just regular 32 bit Slackware? [18:37] kevin01133: haven't tried :> any errors in particular ? [18:39] thrice`: I'm missing mysqld.a in /usr/lib64/mysql. slocate can't find it, and I've perused everywhere. Any idea how to approach this? [18:39] are you using the slackware buildscript ? [18:39] it has some code to account for this [18:40] toggle_nicklist [18:40] thrice`: No, I'm not. [18:40] duh [18:40] i fail [18:40] kevin01133: are you on slackware ? :) [18:42] thrice`: Yes. [18:42] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.0/source/kde/amarok/ check out how Pat does it [18:42] Cand o. [18:42] ... [18:42] Dan co. [18:42] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:42] ... [18:42] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] I get it :> [18:43] What is wrong with me? Can do. [18:43] How do I enable modules on startup? I looked at /etc/modprobe.conf and it told me to stick files in /etc/modprobe.d/ [18:43] Do I do that, or add a line to rc.modules? [18:43] redtricycle: well, depends - what specifically do you mean? [18:44] I want to enable lib80211.ko and wl.ko (my wireless card kerneld rivers) [18:44] the files in modprobe.d/blah.conf will dictate which options modules should load with [18:44] redtricycle: there is a very good chance those will be done for you [18:44] either rc.modules.kerver or rc.local are good places [18:44] What tells it to be done? [18:45] rc.modules-kerver, that is [18:45] redtricycle: the hotplugging stuff takes place on its own; extra stuff that it doesn't do, is rc.modules [18:45] so, if the kernel / udev find support for a network card, it'll load the module on its own for it to be active [18:45] Ahh... [18:45] okay, got it [18:45] since there was no support [18:45] I'll have to do it myself [18:45] and I'll do it in rc.local [18:46] What's the command? [18:46] do I use modprobe or insmod? [18:46] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) joined ##slackware. [18:46] modprobe is the command to load a module [18:46] /sbin/modprobe module [18:46] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host197-69-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [18:47] modrobe is insmod's smarter brother [18:47] ah [18:47] I'll restart my computer to see if that worked [18:51] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.232) joined ##slackware. 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[19:00] as in run mass convert then install the pkg from your repo alienBOB ? [19:01] because then it askes for 3 libs which i used your other convert32 script on alienBOB [19:01] and now i have a glade warning [19:01] tada. [19:01] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [19:02] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:20b) joined ##slackware. [19:03] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] alien, there seem to be compelling reasons to go multilib like ubuntu64, etc. *me ducks* [19:04] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [19:04] s/ducks/runs/ :P [19:04] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Unless you can run the speed of sound you're screwed [19:04] mancha: I guess you just read my LQ post where I called Ubuntu a "braindead distribution" ? [19:05] antiwire: lol [19:05] Action: quasar would like to read that one :o [19:05] Try to find it then ;-) [19:05] well then multilib like $pick_your_choice_of_multilib_64_bit_linux [19:05] Invariably people complain that the scripts I write, do not run on Ubuntu. [19:06] rofl [19:06] i should go to LQ more often...i've not been in ages [19:06] i'm not complaining [19:07] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackbuild-for-openvpn-cant-work-with-comp-lzo-622181/ that the one? [19:07] blkdg: yes (1) masconvert to get the multilib layer, then installpkg xvidcap, then inspecting the "library not found" errors to find out what additional Slackware 32bit package to convert using "convertpkg-compat32"... that is the right way [19:08] quasar: that was another stumbo whi did not reach maturity [19:08] ah [19:08] Action: quasar goes back to searching [19:08] I will find it. I must. [19:08] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/createmultipartboot.sh-script-returns-parameter-not-set-753396/#post3673521 [19:08] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] haha thanks :D [19:09] I was reading the advanced linux routing document and I finally understand why both up and down stream seems to slow down when I either upload or download something medium to large in size. [19:09] The modem has a shared queue for both up and down so it gets saturated [19:10] It can be fixed by using tc on the internal router to limit outgoing or incoming just barely enough to prevent the queue saturation [19:10] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [19:11] sigma957 (n=bjp@98.246.183.126) joined ##slackware. [19:11] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[19:14] sigma957: all over the internet [19:14] redtricycle: indeed [19:14] That is the only option you have [19:15] sigma957: the mirrors that have the ISO will also have the .md5 [19:15] And a lot more mirrors that _dont_ have the ISO still have the .md5 [19:15] These are the instructions: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/README ? [19:15] I'm new, so I want to make sure there isn't a package that does this already [19:16] i've checked a couple of mirrors, but no joy. just for the regular dvd [19:16] alienBOB: Guess I just picked bad mirrors when I searched. [19:16] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:17] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:21] alienBOB, when you wrote, blkdg: try just _installing_ the original 32bit xvidcap package. That will work wonders did you mean from source? i am raking my brain here. [19:23] blkdg: I meant "installing the original package as opposed to running convertpkg on it and installing the resulting package" [19:23] And with that, I am out of here [19:24] sigma957 (n=bjp@98.246.183.126) left irc: "Leaving" [19:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] ok, thanks again for all the help and work [19:29] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.198.6) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:31] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:28] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:30] Anybody know how to set up an Atheros 5xxx card in Slackware 13? Im clueless. :( [20:30] Nick change: ircleuser -> Rackattack [20:32] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:34] anybody? [20:37] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:39] CmdLnKid_ (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [20:40] mcbunny (n=mcbunny@pool-71-110-242-172.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.203.214.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] hello all [20:41] I know it might be the wrong channel to ask but. [20:41] does anyone know of a patch for squashfs4 to allow lzma compression [20:42] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [20:43] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [20:45] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] google might [20:46] I been googlying for a good while and no luck sofar. [20:46] hold [20:47] mcbunny: I found some patches that they used for open-wrt [20:47] http://www.squashfs-lzma.org [20:47] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [20:47] I'm trying to build a live cd but I can't seem to get it down to fit on a cd. [20:48] build a live dvd media is cheap enough [20:48] Quiznos: thanks, but the website is only support kernel 2.6.27 and squash3 not the current kernel with squash4 [20:48] neonflux (n=mrjones@207.47.17.19.static.nextweb.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:48] ok [20:49] are your files in the .iso already compressed? [20:49] http://www.squashfs-lzma.org/ ? [20:49] mancha: it would be great for a dvd but I'm trying to create a kids distro and it has to be able fit on a cd. [20:49] what's in the iso? [20:50] 700mb is a lot! expecially if things are compressed, lzma isn't a LOT better than bzip, is it? [20:50] what's in the iso? [20:50] well it actually is.. I run squashfs against the usr directory it comes out to be around 500M. [20:51] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:51] than I run tar with -J (lzma compression) and it compress it down to 350M [20:51] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] the distro will be base on current slackware with e17 desktop and some kids games. [20:52] neonflux (n=mrjones@207.47.17.19.static.nextweb.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] oh thats quite a difference, squashfs must use gzip then [20:52] I need help in setting up an Atheros 5xxx card in Slackware 13. [20:53] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:54] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) joined ##slackware. [20:54] lzma has been mainlined in the kernel, sure its not supported in recent kernels? [20:54] mancha: I belive it does. [20:55] There's 300 people here. Someone's gotta know o_O [20:55] so why not use a newer kernel then and forget the patching [20:55] mancha: both are now supported by the kernels but squash is not setup for lzma yet. [20:56] Rackattack: what issues are you having? [20:56] mcbunny, ah i see. hrmm, why not forward port the patches then to your kernel, are they too hard to do that to? [20:57] maybe it will be by the time kernel-2.6.32 is out. [20:57] harryirene (n=gapinski@adsl-99-34-89-33.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] i am sure it won't skip 2.6.31.x :> [20:58] have you tried applying the pathces to your current kernel? [20:59] mentr (n=Hey@adsl-64-237-139-36.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] plankton (n=peretto@gw.grupoperetto.com.br) left irc: [21:00] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [21:00] yes, I have. the only patches I seen are for open-wrt like mfilpot mentioned. [21:01] and they don't seem to work either. [21:01] oh well, I'll keep looking.. thx anyway. [21:02] mcbunny: Sorry I couldn't help, but the answer will show itself soon enough [21:02] no prob. [21:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [21:03] :) [21:03] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [21:03] mcbunny (n=mcbunny@pool-71-110-242-172.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:03] mcbunny, no what i mean is that project squashfs-lzma you said works for 2.6.27, it is a standalone module, presumably? have you tried making that module against your current kernel source [21:04] oh, that was well spent energy right there... [21:04] I'm back. mfillpot: 1. I can't find networkmanager. 2. I'm clueless on how to get wireless working. [21:05] networkmanager is a gnome thing, you won't find it in standard slackwares [21:05] wicd isone non-gnome equivalent to network-manager [21:06] Rackattack: in slackware 13.0 wicd is used to setup your network connections from within a gui [21:06] I've gotten a little used to Fedora, which has wireless out-of-the-box on atheros 5xxx. But I wanted to try Slackware, and I'm quite happy with everything but the wireless bit. [21:07] yeah we know [21:07] I need a little help on setting up drivers. [21:07] Rackattack: my ath5k works perfect out of the box, what wm are you using? [21:07] WM=window manager? [21:07] Rackattack: are you talking about setting up an AP or client mode? [21:08] Rackattack: yes, are you using KDE, another window manager or are you trying a setup from CLI? [21:08] I use KDE. [21:08] you should see the icon that looks like a monitor with an ethernet plug in the task manager bar. [21:09] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Client seperation from host: ( Exit 241 )" [21:09] I don't see one, [21:09] Rackattack: how about trying to run wicd, by typing wicd into your terminal [21:10] Rackattack: does your interface show up in iwconfig yet? [21:10] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [21:10] Terminal Says: "wicd: command not found" [21:11] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) joined ##slackware. [21:11] this is a hint paste I wrote up for using the stock Slackware networking scripts with /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1557871 [21:11] Rackattack: forget about wicd [21:11] step 1: confirm your interface shows up in iwconfig [21:11] I have something show up in wlan0. [21:11] step 2: configure a section in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf for your wireless interface [21:12] IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" is the first line [21:12] step 3: configure a section in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf for the network you are trying to connect to. [21:12] step 4: restart networking: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [21:13] you can use that pastebin I posted as examples for rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant.conf [21:13] antiwire: this manual method may scare off fedora users, are you sure it wouldn't be best to try the gui method first? [21:14] set it and forget it [21:14] ... [21:14] a lot of people swear by wicd, if you don't want to edit scripts thats the way to go [21:15] i sometimes swear at wicd [21:15] I agree with "*everyone* should be able to set up the wifi with the provided scripts" [21:15] Okay. I'm on step 2. I'm editing the document with nano. What's next? [21:15] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.203.214.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:15] Or if you are after multiple wireless hotspots in different locations.. [21:15] I configure /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf for each network I use as well as setting a lower priority for the catch all section. I never nee to touch it. [21:15] andrew_50: wpa_supplicant.conf handles everything. [21:15] I have over 15 entries [21:16] What does "configure a section" mean in this case? [21:16] Most people fail to read the wpa_supplicant documents. It handles plaintext, wep, wpa, wpa2, and eap with multiple sections in the single config file [21:17] alphad64_ (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) joined ##slackware. [21:17] someone buy this: http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/dp/B000J36XR2/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t [21:19] hehe, read the reviews [21:19] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:19] haha yea theyre hilarious [21:21] Rackattack: is this for a client laptop or desktop system? [21:21] laptop. need the model? [21:21] blackorca (n=blackorc@173-100-182-211.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Rackattack: the model is unnecessary, I am trying to asses your needs. Would you be using this to connect to unknown hotspots? [21:22] Yes. [21:23] Rackattack: in this case, with no disrespect to antiwire, the best method would be to use wicd rather than manual modification because you don't want to have to ask someone else for the ssid, frequency, passcode, etc.. whenever connecting. [21:24] Rackattack: antiwire's method is rock solid, but it involves alot of work when on a mobile system [21:24] blackorca (n=blackorc@173-100-182-211.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:24] I see. [21:24] antiwire: do you agree, or do you know another good solid way for him when in mobile mode? [21:26] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] Rackattack: do me a favor run "ls /var/log/packages|grep wicd" to see if wicd is installed. [21:27] what's the command for finding out what version of kernel your using? [21:27] alphad64__ (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) joined ##slackware. [21:27] slackwared (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [21:27] omni_schoolworks: uname -r [21:27] thanks [21:28] alphad64__ (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:28] omni_schoolworks: uname -a will give much more info [21:28] nothing seems to happen [21:28] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:28] Rackattack: are you running Slackware 13.0? [21:28] Yes I am. [21:29] Rackattack: in 13.0 wicd is in the extra apps, do you have the installation disk? [21:29] In the leather case [21:29] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Rackattack: pop the disk in so you can install wicd [21:30] steiger__ (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:30] steiger_1 (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:30] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:31] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) joined ##slackware. [21:31] SlackDVD appears in my plugged-in devices [21:31] Rackattack: are you running 32-bit or 64-bit? [21:31] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] 32-bit [21:32] Rackattack: have you setup sudoers to run root commands or do you have to log in as root? [21:32] I have to log in. [21:33] in the terminal type su to log in as root [21:33] I'm logged in already. [21:33] Just to save time :) [21:33] one sec, please [21:36] Rackattack: let me know when you return [21:36] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) joined ##slackware. [21:36] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.204.135.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) joined ##slackware. [21:36] IceW (n=sartori@189-46-225-239.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:38] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) left irc: Client Quit [21:39] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.53.164) joined ##slackware. [21:39] I'm back, for now. [21:39] datou_ (n=datou@124.205.137.168) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:39] Rackattack: ok, to install wicd type "installpkg /media/SlackDVD/extra/wicd/wicd-1.6.2.1-i486-1.txz" [21:41] interesting. I compiled the 2.6.29.6 kernel on slack 12.1. the realteck rtl8185 wireless card driver loads fine. as soon as I type "ifconfig wlan0 up" the system literally locks up requiring the big red switch [21:41] one sec, again [21:42] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:43] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] alisonken1home: bugged driver? [21:44] have to do some more checking, but it's the default driver in the kernel [21:45] Terminal says: "Cannot install...: file not found" [21:45] ViN86 (i=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-TWO-TWELVE.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [21:45] rtl8185 a/b/g card [21:46] Rackattack: can you manually navigate to the wicd tgz package? [21:46] Yes i can. [21:46] alphad64_ (n=quassel@41.189.39.254) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:46] Rackattack: I have the entire tree on disk, so I may have given a bad path to the installation package, if you find the path you can correct the command. [21:48] That was odd, It's the same, and all i had to do was drag it? [21:48] It's installed though. forget that. [21:48] Rackattack: Most likely it was a case sensitive issue [21:48] ok, run wicd now [21:49] alisonken1home: default drivers can be a lot buggy :) [21:49] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.211.125) joined ##slackware. [21:49] it just gives me another line. [21:50] Rackattack: what line does it give you? [21:50] nothing. [21:50] It's like this: Root: wicd; Root: [21:51] Rackattack: it should have automatically configured most necessary files, after a reboot it should be up and running... now for the run part. [21:51] Rackattack: now run "lsmod|grep ath" to see if the ath drivers were enabled through the kernel [21:52] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left ##slackware. [21:52] I see ath5k in certain spots. [21:53] I can't copy-paste, since i'm using another computer for internet. [21:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:53] Rackattack: that means that it loaded the atheros drivers after detecting your card, give the computer a quick reboot to allow wicd to fully load [21:54] alright [21:54] brb [21:55] Rackattack: let me know when you are back in kde [21:55] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] I just need to wait an eternity, then run startx XD [21:57] X is starting... [21:57] Rackattack: afte rwe get your wireless managed I can help you to trim the boot time and have it boot into KDM [21:58] blackorca (n=rebecca@173-100-182-211.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] I'm actually a little happy using the DOS-like thing to log in. I find it a little convenient. [21:59] But I could use the time trimming. [21:59] How do I setup a host-only network in Virtualbox? I've used the Slackbuild scripts. Neither host nor guest connects [22:00] Awesome! I got the network menu! :D [22:00] Rackattack: I prefer wicd to network manager it is very simple to use and allows you to quickly switch between wired and wireless [22:00] Aw... "Connection failed: Unable to obtain IP adress" [22:01] Rackattack: most likely you need to configure it to use the passphrase [22:01] I have no password on the router. [22:02] silent: when in VB, on a VM (that is not started) go into settings network and change the "attached to" option. [22:02] I think I see the problem... just maybe [22:03] mfillpot, I've tried that, yet the VM never gets an IP from the internal dhcp server. [22:03] i'm not sure but maybe strace would give you some info [22:03] oops [22:03] silent: are you setting up a virtual machine to be the dhcpd server? [22:04] Rackattack: Slack may seen manual to you, but after some playing around you will see the configurability and stability as a very big plus. [22:04] mfillpot, no I'm trying to setup a simple host-only network. The VM nor the host can see each other. [22:05] silent: does that mean you want an internal network? [22:06] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.211.125) left ##slackware. [22:06] It works! :D [22:06] mfillpot, no, I want to setup host-only. Not a internal network, because I want to the host visible to the VM [22:06] Let me get on Xchat real quick... [22:07] Rackattack (n=newbie@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Quit" [22:07] user9399 (n=user5306@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] Rackattack (n=root@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Did I get it? [22:08] Yep :) [22:08] gnubien: can you help silent to track his issue? [22:08] Rackattack: I am glad to see it works, and it is quite simple at this point [22:08] user9399 (n=user5306@adsl-99-139-139-104.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:09] Very simple :) [22:09] mfillpot: no, sorry, cant [22:10] Rackattack: I am sorry, but I assumed since you are a fedora user that you are not quite that comfortable with cli and config files, which would make this the best option for you. [22:10] If it helps any: Host has interface vboxnet0 and it's suppose to connect to Virtualbox's DHCP server. [22:11] I'm not very big into DOS-like prompts, yet. [22:11] silent: have you been able to get a dhcp address on vboxnet0? [22:11] Rackattack: hopefully you will get comfortable with it, it speeds things up. [22:12] mfillpot, No I have not. [22:12] is it possible to connect to wireless networks via terminal?I'm just asking there. [22:12] yes [22:12] I showed you how [22:12] nevermind, then XD [22:12] uh, what does "connect to wireless networks via terminal" mean? [22:12] I think he means CLI [22:12] yeah [22:13] Any GUI frontend for network management is just that: a frontend. [22:13] silent: have you tried running "ifconfig vboxnet0 up" and "dhcpd vboxnet0", to enable the adapter and call for a dhcp address? [22:13] I need to get to bed. first day if School tomorrow. [22:13] *of [22:13] Rackattack (n=root@user-0c8h5mh.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:13] Next time, don't use IRC as root. Oops, too late. [22:14] Rackattack: feel free to drop back in here and the others can help to speed up the boot by dropping unecessary processes and moving you to the generic kernel. [22:14] lol [22:14] :) [22:15] mfillpot, Just tried, but got an IP out of the proper range. Should 192.168.56.x but its 169.254.29.77 [22:16] was everyone just hanging out in the shadows waiting for me to fail? [22:16] they do that, milf [22:16] qemu/kvm usermode networking "just works" [22:16] mfillpot i cant explain it cept to say that some here arent predisposed to help unknowns; i dont know why [22:17] Action: antiwire slaps Quiznos with a large flounder [22:17] even I cant get help occassionally and some of them here have known me for years. [22:17] Action: Quiznos slaps a log of butter upside antiwire net wire [22:17] lol.. I have been in and out of here for a few years and I bet very few know me [22:17] well; cultivate then [22:18] Can anyone here with more experience in virtualbox help silent? [22:18] with these clowns it's about "face"-time [22:18] Action: hitest gets some popcorn to watch the Quiznos antiwire scrap [22:18] antiwire net wire" <--- that's awesome [22:18] "" [22:18] heh [22:19] Quiznos: I have been tapping in and helping when I can, and recently jumped in at making slackbuilds, it takes time. [22:19] 3rd shift's about to start; everyone ready? [22:19] mfillpot i know [22:19] gogogo [22:19] where's kenny? [22:19] he's late already! damnit [22:19] heh [22:20] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:20b) left irc: "Fui embora" [22:20] oh btw, box-o-flops, 4$us, walmart [22:20] mfillpot yea, it takes time to establish your own level of competence with others regardless of situ [22:21] silent: in the Virtualbox network setup, did you setup your internal network to enable the dhcp server? [22:21] to display your own... [22:22] Quiznos: I have been using slack since 2002 and still feel like a noob, but I am comfortable enough to laugh at some features of other distros and ask why they though they had good ideas. [22:22] firedix (n=firedix@host246.201-252-172.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:22] mfillpot, How would I do this? All I've done is enable DHCP server by click a box in the Preferences. Is that it? [22:22] mfillpot that sounds like a confidence issew [22:22] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Connection timed out [22:22] quit it [22:23] silent: that is it, I am mirroring your process now to see if I can replicate the issue or find a solution. [22:23] mfillpot, Thanks [22:23] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [22:23] mmm Debi Mazar [22:23] dancing star [22:23] hot? [22:24] to me [22:24] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:24] mfillpot, I'm a noob to Slackware (been 3 weeks) and semi-noob to linux (1 year) [22:24] she has a dark sultry thing going on [22:24] Quiznos: I will get there soon, knowing the structure of slackbuilds is helping alot. [22:24] kool [22:24] Debi's a actress [22:24] Quiznos: she sounds hot:) [22:25] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:25] mfillpot, though if mirroring my situation is going to take a while don't bother, because I'll be gone in a little while (school tomorrow). [22:25] silent: I am nearly there [22:25] mfillpot, ok [22:26] bbl [22:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] silent: did you setup your system to start rc.vboxdrv? [22:27] mfillpot, yes I did. I do get an error when I try to add another host-only interface. [22:27] Failed to execute 'VBoxNetAdpCtl add' (exit status: 768).. [22:28] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [22:28] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:29] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] silent: what output did you run when you tried to run dhcpcd eth0 in the virtualmachine? [22:30] mfillpot, this is what I'm shooting for: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html#network_hostonly [22:30] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] mfillpot, on the VM I got nothing. [22:31] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:34] silent: did you install the vbox guest additions in the gues? [22:34] brb [22:35] mfillpot, No I have not [22:35] silent: I noticed it is talking about a specific adapter name, but it is not recognized in the guest, it may only be recognized with the guest additions installed [22:36] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:36] oh fuck, any idea what might have caused this? http://grbzks.pastebin.com/f19867d0b [22:37] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [22:37] mfillpot, ok I'll try that later. How about the host's end? [22:37] knoppix (n=knoppix@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] thats the output of ls /mnt [22:37] knoppix (n=knoppix@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [22:37] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:38] who knows, kill kill [22:38] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [22:38] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-28-84.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:38] the thing is , i think i have visited /mnt a couple of days ago. and those werent there. but it says they were created on 27th of Aug [22:40] silent: once I started vboxdrv my host picked up the connection and established the address, does you host even get an address on that interface? [22:40] mfillpot, no it does not. [22:40] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:41] loo (n=loo@201.230.8.27) joined ##slackware. [22:41] mfillpot, now if I had installed the guest addon on my host then remove them, would that pose a problem? [22:41] loo (n=loo@201.230.8.27) left ##slackware. [22:42] silent: that could have wrenched some kernel modules, but I am not familiar enough with vbox to say which ones [22:42] archiebenedict (n=knoppix@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] mfillpot, well I reinstall vbox tomorrow then. Any pointers in case that doesn't work? [22:43] don't be afraid to reinstall the kernel packages on your host prior to that to insure the kernel is in the original form. [22:44] mfillpot, how do I do that with me hosing the system? [22:44] mfillpot, without I meant [22:45] I've dont it in a dirty manner, but it worked. install of using upgradepkg or removepkg, just use installpkg on the kernel packages, it won't be missing any components, instead it will only replace and add pieces. [22:46] if I am wrong, someone please jump in. [22:47] mfillpot, ok thanks for the help. [22:48] I agree - that's a good approach [22:48] Then once you know the new kernel works, you can remove the old packages [22:48] Oh, what is this generic kernel deal for slackware? [22:48] See CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT for discussion about that. [22:48] ok thanks. [22:49] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:49] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] rworkman: thanks for chiming in ;) [22:50] y0 slackers....How's everyone? [22:50] mfillpot: :) [22:50] archiebenedict (n=knoppix@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:51] yelsn (n=none@cm103-236.madisontelco.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] hey MLanden_lap [22:51] Evenin',mfillpot..How's it going? [22:51] MLanden_lap: hey, I resemble that remark! [22:52] MLanden_lap: good, but it has been quiet in here for the most part [22:52] Evenin',sitwon [22:52] evenin' [22:53] mfillpot: That's because Pat is awesome and Slackware 13 is so nice that people have nothing to complain about [22:53] just toyin' 'round with lxpanel's latest source 0.5.3...still has a few bugs in it [22:53] er [22:53] sitwon: don't count on that [22:53] Action: Dominian found something that he isn't quite sure about if its been report or not [22:54] sitwon: I can agree with that, my only real problem since going on current is when a disk corruption messed up kde. [22:54] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: [22:54] rworkman: ping [22:55] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Dominian: well I'm happy enough w/ Slackware 13 for the both of us [22:55] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/vndmZn76.html [22:55] mfillpot: easy fix, don't use KDE ;-) [22:55] That's the "bug"/issue I found [22:55] its possible that it was already addressed at some point before the release [22:55] or its a known issue [22:56] sitwon: actually I liked kde more when it was a black screen with yakuake on top, but I had to fix it for my family. [22:56] Dominian: did you install pixman? [22:56] sahko: uhh yeah [22:56] Action: Dominian isn't that freakin' stupid [22:56] you will get the same message for example if you remove jasper [22:57] Dominian: I haven't messed w/ the 64-bit port much other than installing it to a VM [22:57] sahko: the issue is with 32bit compat libs [22:57] pong, but I don't understand the problem [22:58] blackula (n=blackula@97.81.105.128) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] rworkman: You read the pastebin? [22:58] yes [22:58] what isnt' there to understand..? [22:58] That happens on 64 or 32 system? [22:58] 64 [22:59] Like I said, it appears to be an issue with 32bit-compat [22:59] If it happens on a 64bit system, then I don't see how it can be our bug (yet) :) [22:59] hrm alright [22:59] and (yet) is a *hopeful* yet. [22:59] That being said, what's the solution? [22:59] no idea [22:59] which is why I pasted here [23:00] I haven't messed with multilib AT ALL - so I basically am useless where it's concerned. Poke Eric about that. [23:00] my *guess* is a 32bit compat of libpixman [23:00] I guess I could pull libpixman from 32bit ... and installpkg it [23:01] perhaps. I think Eric ahs some sort of converter script though [23:01] brb [23:02] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:02] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] ea_suter (n=easuter@ev2-84-90-182-83.netvisao.pt) left ##slackware. [23:06] neonflux (n=mrjones@207.47.17.19.static.nextweb.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] MLanden_lap (n=lilslack@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] neonflux (n=mrjones@207.47.17.18.static.nextweb.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] I think everyone is toasted right now. [23:09] nah...bit crispy,but not toasted yet...:P [23:10] guilherme (n=guilherm@189.63.210.6) joined ##slackware. [23:10] that reminds me, I think I figured out what pat need to add to the slackware store to increase sales, a different beer mug/stein/chalice for each release.. then most of us would become collectors. [23:10] Nick change: guilherme -> Guest26389 [23:10] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@71-213-50-96.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] kbrd (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] true,mfillpot [23:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:13] I would love to see a deal were when you get the subscriptions they ship out the dvd and a limited edition stein. [23:13] mfillpot: he also needs to twit it ? [23:13] test34: twit? [23:14] mfillpot: see http://twitter.com/ [23:15] test34: it's called "tweet", not "twit" [23:15] test34: that would be "tweet" then .. not twit. [23:15] test34: ow, you need tweet, or whatever they call it.. whatever works, I thinks that whole twitter thing is pointless, no one needs to know everything you do or think. [23:15] it makes you sound a bit like a twat if you confuse a tweet for a twit. [23:15] tweet == lame [23:15] mfillpot: true..that's why they have psychiatrist [23:16] i thought a tweet was a twit, but a twat was still nothing related. [23:16] you must care more about it if you spelll it right [23:17] test34: no, I spell it right because I actually finished school [23:17] agentc0re: neh...that would be a treat...:P [23:17] danc3: what kind of school is that [23:17] test34: in your case, elementary/grammar school [23:18] all, stop the bickering and have a been then none of us will be able to spell [23:18] * and have a beer [23:18] good, I don't like beens [23:19] danc3: I hired emailhackers.com to get you hotmail password [23:19] good luck [23:19] just kidding... what is your email again? [23:20] it's: test34@moron.n00b [23:20] thanks,mfillpot.... <----C O={____} [23:21] damn, my power is out [23:22] only 15 minutes left of battery life on the laptop and I'm in the dark :S [23:22] yes mfillpot is rihju [23:22] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: [23:22] wow...screem + slackware is a nightmare [23:22] blackorca: you have nuclear powered internet access, or what? [23:22] MadneX (n=Nestor@189-015-227-106.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:22] danc3: 3g wireless [23:23] oh. cool. [23:23] 3g is too slow, hook into a fiber line with your own ups [23:23] blackorca: add some alcohol to your fuel cell [23:24] mfillpot: no fiber out here [23:24] mfillpot: no cable or dsl for that matter [23:24] satellite [23:25] firedix (n=firedix@host246.201-252-172.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [23:25] yeah, but I'd bet the latency is higher than with 3g [23:25] I bet it's lower than no connection at all [23:25] probably [23:26] yeah, but why use sat. when I have 3g? [23:28] Nick change: korg815 -> korg815_ [23:28] http://www.google.com/search?q=satellite+vs+3g [23:28] Nick change: korg815_ -> korg815 [23:28] kbrd (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:29] eh, 3g works great in storms, sat. doesn't [23:29] we have sat. tv and it goes out even during rain [23:29] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] dioz_mio (i=test@88.243.192.67) joined ##slackware. [23:30] foureyes779 (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [23:30] blackorca: how many times a day does your connection drop off ? [23:30] test34: with what I have currently? 0 [23:30] yes [23:30] zero [23:30] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:31] (that I know of) [23:31] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] between 1 and 3 - gotta love verizon dsl :) [23:31] (o/t - I know :) ) [23:32] Action: foureyes779 is LOVIN Slack13 [23:32] I'm on Charter cable and after much ripping of flesh and gnashing of teeth, my signal has stabilized. [23:32] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.221) joined ##slackware. [23:32] my problem is the upstream verizon connection, not the local wired/wireless connections [23:32] blackorca: pretty good then, I would have though it would be much less reliable.. [23:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] ok guys, I'm off to play urbanterror, enjoy your evening [23:33] mfillpot: bomb? [23:33] test34: maybe once a month an occasional 10 minutes or so I can't get on the internet, but then the problem is usually resolved [23:34] test34: check slackbuilds.org, the game is listed there [23:34] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:34] mfillpot: I have that game I was asking if you were going to play on a bomb server [23:34] I did not know that slackbuild had games on it... [23:34] ;o) [23:35] blackorca: not bad at all but still not as good as my cable connection;) [23:35] Guest26389 (n=guilherm@189.63.210.6) left irc: "Leaving" [23:35] test34: :P [23:35] autotools are a bitch to actually do anything useful [23:36] cable company wants $40,000 to bring it here, so cable is not worth it for me [23:37] shit, well battery is nearly dead, so I'm off [23:37] blackorca (n=rebecca@173-100-182-211.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:37] $40,000... they want you to pay for the whole neighborhood ? [23:37] bye [23:38] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:40] witukind_ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-238-95.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:40] witukind_ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-172.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [23:40] heh [23:44] dioz_mio (i=test@88.243.192.67) left irc: [23:45] hmmm [23:46] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [23:46] y0 foureyes [23:46] Greetings all. I trust everyone is having a pleasant day/night/afternoon/evening/etc. [23:47] y0 MrHales [23:47] can someone help with a network issue,i have lost connection,running 12.2 [23:47] got really quiet, thought I had lost my connection [23:47] MLanden_lap: h0wdy [23:47] gets that way from time to time,foureyes779 [23:48] ifconfig does not show etho anymore [23:48] Anyone else have issues with flash player for firefox 3.5.2? [23:48] artv61: What's is your ethernet card/chip? [23:48] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.33.71) joined ##slackware. [23:48] MLanden_lap: anyone else notice a speed improvement with Slack-13 ? [23:48] via tech [23:49] MrHales: full screen problems? [23:49] Installation problems. [23:49] haven't upgraded yet..so I can't say,foureyes779 [23:49] vt6102 MLanden_lap [23:49] I noticed a massive speed improvement after disabling nepomuk [23:49] maybe it was the OS I was running before bloating things down [23:49] artv61: Does the card show up when you lsmod? [23:49] Getting that 50% of my CPU back was awesome. [23:49] I had PC-BSD on here for the last year [23:50] checking [23:50] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] hba_ (n=hba@189.188.146.54) joined ##slackware. [23:50] PC-BSD was using KDE3.10,right? [23:51] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:51] MLanden_lap: kde4 [23:51] think it was 4.1 series [23:51] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [23:52] ok,foureyes779 [23:52] viarhine comes up in list MLanden_lap [23:52] didnt care for it too much [23:53] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.52.211.125) joined ##slackware. [23:53] I have been an OS slut the last couple of years, so I am goin to switch all my computers back to Slack and be done with it [23:54] Nick change: hba_ -> hba [23:54] artv61: when you invoke dhcpcd eth0..does it time out? [23:55] hear ya,foureyes779....lot of OS choices to slut on..:P [23:56] MLanden_lap: MLanden_lap yes itdoes [23:56] heh [23:56] freakin Ubuntu....aaarrrrggghhhhh [23:57] artv61: do you have another ethernet cable to try..to see if it's not a faulty connection [23:58] MLanden_lap: i did move it to another spot in switch ,i'll look and see if i have another cable [23:58] lee555J5_ (n=irchon@71.91.2.18) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:59] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Ubuntu is the methadone of the Linux world. [00:00] --- Tue Sep 8 2009