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[00:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-239.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:01] strankan (~strankan@c-7cce70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ [01:03] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:03] slacktv (~47689732@gateway/web/freenode/x-oxurjvhoclohczbx) joined ##slackware. [01:06] has anyone got firefox to play audio over HDMI? I got every application working playing sound over HMDI but firefox. [01:06] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: zZz [01:06] try FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" firefox # or so [01:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-13-192.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] nope. [01:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] anyone else? [01:09] pupit (~p@109.93.233.72) joined ##slackware. [01:09] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:09] is it stuff that uses the flash plugin only ? [01:11] How do you push audio to a network-attached speakers? [01:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:13] trhodes: yes [01:13] redtricycle: look into esd or pulseaudio [01:13] redtricycle: what exactly are they, though ? [01:14] conceptual question, because my desktop doesnt have speakers [01:14] I want to push audio to my iphone [01:14] so I can use the iphone as pseudo speakers [01:15] redtricycle, your computer doesn't have a headphone jack? [01:16] Well, the iPhone doesn't have audio-in [01:17] well, liek I said, it was a conceptual question [01:17] I could always get speakers... [01:17] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:17] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:17] you can even do low-tech, crappy things like have mplayer output to a fifo and play that on the iphone [01:18] That doesn't sound crappy at all :D [01:18] Well, do I just dump /dev/dsp to a file? [01:18] well, the buffering is annoying [01:19] redtricycle, gotcha....it is conceptually possible,like what trhodes said with pulseadio and one could use mpd...wonder if there's a mpd client app for Iphone? [01:19] nod, that's the other half, I suppose... [01:19] not sure if you can do that with OSS's dsp... you'd for sure want some ioctls to improve the sound quality [01:19] Maybe publish a stream [01:20] good ideas [01:20] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:20] I tend to spend hours on this kind of pointless crap... [01:20] i've just nfs exported my music collection [01:20] I should learn from experience and stop now [01:20] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) joined ##slackware. [01:20] =P [01:21] that's interesting, trhodes. I haven't played with NFS at all [01:21] I've always used smb-fuse [01:21] nfs is super simple [01:21] compared to smb/cifs [01:21] that way, you skip the transcoding or streaming what amounts to .wavs over the lan [01:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-13-192.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:24] can you mount nfs on an iphone ? [01:24] (without lots of hassle) [01:25] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:26] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] Anyone have experience with nvidia 8400 gs PCI cards? I'm getting a kernel panic on boot. I've tried a Ubuntu 9.10 disc and it also kernic panics.. However if I use a Ubuntu 8.10 disc it boots up just fine and the card seems to work.. [01:28] I tried the 185.18.36 driver described to fix the problem here --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/cant-start-x-with-slackware-13-on-hp-pavilion-dv9000-nvidia-757540/ [01:28] but doesn't seem to do the trick.. [01:28] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] I'm not sure how to find what version Ubuntu 8.1 is using.. can't find version info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [01:29] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d859691.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Hi all, suddenly the links to my block devices in the LXDE file manager are gone [01:30] I used to rely on them to mount USB sticks and stuff [01:30] Has anyone else seen this before? [01:31] wescotte, is there any indication in /var/log/packages/ ? [01:32] MLanden: Ubuntu stores stuff in /var/log/packages too? [01:32] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [01:32] i.e. like ls /var/log/packages/xf86*? ... just guessin' [01:33] wescotte, ubuntu uses aptitude I believe - man aptitude [01:34] hmm I think Ubuntu 8.10 uses the "nv" driver not "nvidia" I think that's the open source drivers no? [01:34] Maybe if i blacklist the nvidia kernel module and try using "nv" instead.. [01:34] which.. didn't seem to work :( [01:35] slacktv: what have you done to make all your apps output to hdmi ? does the flash plugin continue to use the wrong device ? [01:35] Bassist, are you using pcmanfm? [01:35] MLanden: Yes [01:36] MLanden: Right now I get links to my home folder, Desktop and frequently accessed folders [01:36] But no block devices [01:37] added asound.conf and added pcm.!default { type hw card 2 device 3 } [01:37] Before, I could insert an external drive, wait for the block device to pop up, click on it and bam. Mounting and unmounting stuff was just so easy [01:38] Bassist, Under view..is there anything to side panel...shortcuts [01:39] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:41] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:41] MLanden: No [01:41] slacktv: some xbmc thread says to set FLASH_FORCH_ALSA=1 and FLASH_FORCH_ALSA=1 in the flash player's environment, too -- i can't find out much more about those variables [01:41] There is a bookmark editor, but it wouldn't help much [01:43] Bassist, under View...side pane [01:44] MLanden: "Open Side Pane" and a choice between "Show Location Pane" - "Show Direction Tree" [01:44] That's all that's in there [01:45] Bassist, which is selected...location or directory? [01:46] MLanden: Location [01:46] It was always that way [01:47] Axelpalm (~alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Except now I have no block device entries [01:49] It's a silly issue, but it puts a dent in the usability nevertheless [01:49] Nick change: Axelpalm -> Karu [01:50] is there a way I can see my dmesg info from a previous boot? It's not kernel panicing now but it's just hanging.. Or a way I can scroll up? [01:50] slacktv: whoops, copy/paste error on my part :) FLASH_AUDIODEBUG=1 and FLASH_FORCH_ALSA=1 [01:50] Bassist, not silly at all...any errors in dmesg after you plug in the usb? [01:50] wescotte: $ dmesg |less [01:51] Bassist: doesn't dmesg get cleared after a reboot? [01:51] yes [01:52] wescotte: Oh yeah, sorry.. Checked the system logs? [01:52] MLanden: No, none [01:52] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [01:52] Bassist, any entries for the usb devices in /dev ? i.e sdb1 [01:53] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:53] MLanden: And I can manually mount and unmount my stuff with no problems.. I just got aware of this because I was always shown the two block devices from my hard drive, and a USB stick if one was inserted. But now my hard drive partitions are "gone" too [01:53] what has changed? anything that you know of ? [01:54] MLanden: They're usually assigned to /dev/sdb [01:54] sdb1 to be precise [01:58] Bassist, any change to hal/dbus? [01:59] MLanden: No, not that I'm aware. In fact I even avoided upgrading hal since quite a while to avoid breaking something [02:00] MLanden: Sorry, I have to get to work now. Thanks for all the help! [02:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:00] Bassist, good luck...check hal...might ne the culprit...take care [02:01] s/ne/be [02:01] MLanden: Thanks I will. Bye! [02:01] Anyone know the xorg.conf setting to identify your video card by your lspci device id value like "03:00.0" [02:01] Bassist (~bass@mnch-5d859691.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:02] pci:03:00.0 ? [02:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:03] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] man xorg.conf shows "PCI:::" [02:06] http://selfsolved.com/problems/share-sshfs-via-samba | I can't seem to get this to work on my setup; It's telling me to check the man; checked the man, dont see anything wrong. [02:08] hmm pci;03:00:0 not .0 seemed to work.. [02:08] i guess im asking about usage; im trying to mount an sshfs directory, and then trying to access that directory on another machine through samba. [02:08] doesn't have to be sshfs, but that seems the easiest as im not a sysadmin on the host of the directory im mounting through sshfs [02:09] slacktv (~47689732@gateway/web/freenode/x-oxurjvhoclohczbx) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:09] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:09] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:10] slacktv (~47689732@gateway/web/freenode/x-xknlbwoaayxxqzwv) joined ##slackware. [02:10] found the fix for firefox HDMI no audio. [02:10] http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28199&start=0&hilit=ati+hdmi [02:12] removing pulseaudio is always the first step in fixing ubuntu somehow lol [02:13] well I didn't remove pulseaudio just created the asoundrc with the settings he shows. [02:13] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [02:13] hmm, maybe i shoulda asked for your aplay -L output :P [02:14] slackware doesn't have pulseaudio :/ [02:14] well, not normally [02:14] you can pretty much assume slackers aren't gonna have it [02:15] cause it's pretty much useless :D [02:15] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:15] i actually like it [02:16] but i see why most folks don't [02:16] almost always you can fudge something else to do what pulse does [02:17] phreak (~phreak@pool-71-249-16-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Odd.. Why would setting my bios to "onboard" vs "pci" for video affect slack from booting? If I use onboard it boots.. I have to force the BusID value in xorg.conf to my PCI card but it works.. [02:18] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.51) joined ##slackware. [02:18] now I just need to figure out how to get both the DVI and VGA ports working at the same time. or at the very least use the onboard VGA and the PCI DVI [02:19] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:19] vhann (vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left ##slackware. [02:19] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.97) joined ##slackware. [02:20] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:21] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:21] vhann (vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left ##slackware. [02:22] what happened to the channel logs? [02:23] eidos_ (~eidos@189.27.96.107.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:23] eidos (~eidos@189.27.102.170.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:24] duno [02:24] i think they stopped over a month ago [02:24] wescotte: plug both ports in and try "xrandr -q" and see if the ports show as connected [02:24] t0f, they stopped in February, 2.19.10 [02:25] ok, perhaps someday slackboy will log once again [02:26] Could be slackboy still is and they just aren't being published for some reason. [02:26] yes [02:26] trhodes: tried.. only lists a single connection [02:27] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.112.11) joined ##slackware. [02:27] trhodes: I think I have to manually configure the xorg.conf for multiple displays.. I DID get it working with both DVI and VGA (and different resolutions per connection) with the "nv" driver under Ubuntu 8.10 [02:27] oh, so it certainly is possible [02:28] I just don't know how to specify a second screen [02:28] i duno much about that stuff, i've hardly had to troubleshoot anything, myself [02:28] and it's odd cuz it won't boot if I disable the onboard video.. but if I leave the onboard working it boots.. but I have to force xorg.conf ot use the proper BusID.. [02:28] hmm [02:28] yeah me either.. never had to futz with it too much.. [02:28] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:28] well, it boots but kernel panics.. [02:29] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:30] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.97) left irc: Quit: t0f [02:30] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:33] not sure how to add the 2nd screen.. either the onboard or the 2nd port on the nvidia card.. [02:33] morning [02:33] yo Camarade_Tux [02:33] Camarade_Tux: ola. [02:34] heya,Camarade_Tux [02:35] yoyo trhodes, BP{k}, MLanden =) [02:36] wescotte: the VGA or DVI yet needs enabled on the nvidia ? this sounds rather difficult to troubleshoot :S [02:37] trhodes: it works with which ever one is plugged in when X starts.. [02:38] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:38] the onboard video just stays black though.. even if I setup a second screen/monitor/display device.. [02:39] Action: wisedud2u reading http://lordfu.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/slackware-nvidia-twin-display-xorg-conf/ [02:39] wisedud2u: thanks [02:39] your welcome [02:42] I have this Atheros WiFi PCI express card and I want to use to i make an AP so I can share my eth0 to my laptop (wich is running windoze). I don't have any idea on how to do that [02:42] wisedud2u: Option "Twinview" "1" works but it makes both monitors unique.. know a way to have it duplicated? [02:43] phreak (phreak@pool-71-249-16-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:43] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:46] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:10] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:10] is it a problem if a slackbuild installs files to site_perl? should I move them over to vendor_perl? makepkg gives a warning that site_perl is fine only for local builds. [03:11] aha.. nvidia-settings run as root can do all the stuff i need [03:11] slava_dp: 1. maybe / 2. maybe [03:13] shit. have I no other way to figure that out now other than try and submit the build and see if it gets approved? :-) [03:15] submit. wait. cry. [03:16] the thing works for me very fine. I'm just trying to comply with SBo guidelines. [03:16] wescotte: :) [03:17] slava_dp: SBO guidelines are vendor_perl only [03:17] wisedud2u: thanks for all your help though [03:17] heh thats work [03:17] wisedud2u: would have taken me ages to figure out how to "clone" the displays :) [03:18] lol [03:18] pprkut, well, that's exactly what I wanted to know. [03:18] sadly I still have the boot problem.. If I disable my onboard video I get kernel panics on boot.. If I leave it enabled I just go to runlevel 4 and it uses the proper card.. [03:19] .. [03:19] hmm [03:19] so let me get this right: if you leave it enabled, it works. [03:19] what's the problem? [03:20] ? [03:20] If leave it enabled I don't get any video until X starts.. as it's using it as the primary display.. I have my monitor/HDTV plugged into the nvidia card not hte onboard [03:20] so I won't see any video until X files up.. so I set it to runlevel 4.. [03:21] wescotte: you sure you flicked the right switch in BIOS? [03:21] Also, I assume it's wasting ram for the video memory.. [03:21] Coke: yup.. Video "Onboard" or "PCI" [03:21] perhaps its a result of anxiety [03:21] If I set it to PCI it starts to boot linux but hangs [03:21] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:21] sometimes it says kernel panic and sometimes it doesn't.. [03:22] but always hangs.. [03:22] wescotte: do you use some weird framebuffer mode? [03:22] weird being anything that isn't standard 80x25 [03:22] in lilo? vga = normal [03:22] udev? [03:22] leave the drive as vesa perhaps? [03:22] driver [03:23] which driver? [03:23] briareus: this is before an xorg driver is consulted [03:23] ah [03:23] oh, like during boot he means [03:23] Coke: what about udev? [03:23] wescotte: I've had big problems with udev setting up framebuffer even though I disabled it in kernel [03:24] wescotte: if your pci card, do you see ANY output at all? [03:24] Coke: hmm I'm really not good with udev.. know specifically what i should look for? [03:24] like, the bios booting, kernel loading? [03:24] I've had that problem with crap settings for framebuffer mode. [03:24] Coke: yes, kernel starts to load and then just hangs after a few seconds [03:24] set your lilo config for 'ask' [03:24] ah [03:24] wescotte: sounds like udev [03:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] Unfortunately, there's no way around it. [03:24] hmm, perhaps [03:25] If the kernel loads in proper 80x25 and then when it mounts root and starts udev it hangs, might be it [03:25] I've not had it freeze, but I've had it all black until X before. it was an incorrect framebuffer mode [03:25] could be udev.. it lists some video debug info and then some usb stuff it detects.. and just sits there [03:25] I had MASSIVE problems with udev changing my console resolution and thus making it unusable on my TV [03:25] hmmm, ugly [03:25] well if I leave it onboard when it finishes booting it is 80x25 [03:25] It cannot be turned off or controlled, it's just how the new type of linux developers operate [03:26] well there are "rules" you can change right? [03:26] I'm not too familar with udev though [03:26] They want a feature in there, everybody else can just go fudge themselves. [03:26] wescotte: who the hell is? [03:26] It's a complete uber mess. [03:26] bummer [03:26] It makes Microsoft's registry look like a walk in the park [03:26] The syntax of udev makes C++ templating look sane [03:27] well, I guess I can live with this for now.. Just kinda sucks if I want to do anything in the bios I need to swap stuff [03:27] wescotte: what version is this in? [03:27] plus you don't get any video until X starts [03:27] Coke: version of what? [03:27] kernel [03:27] 2.6.29.6 [03:27] slack 13's default [03:27] That's another issue too. All kernel versions from 2.6.28 and forward should be blacklisted [03:27] kernel shmernel, its all about the ball bearings these days. [03:28] I'm not sure if slack's 29 has been patched [03:28] blacklisted? what for? [03:28] trhodes: Yes, I need to manually run dhclient(8). [03:28] get yourself a 2.6.32.x, it never failed me. [03:28] briareus: how about breaking multiple USB devices? [03:28] hmm, no problem here yet, but my needs are simple [03:28] slava_dp: 2.6.32 seem to have cleared up a lot of the bugs introduced during 2.6.28 [03:28] I'm on 2.6.33.1 I think [03:28] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [03:28] briareus: all our barcode scanners stopped working, as did most Synpatics touch pads [03:28] I'll just educate the people I'm setting this up for that they won't get video for a minute or two after turning the machine on I guess [03:28] Action: wisedud2u make menuconfig see what in it [03:28] until I can find another solution.. [03:29] wescotte: like I said, I had massive problems with my laptops not working properly with the TV, touchpads not working and a few connected USB devices quit as well [03:29] For me, it was the darkest time in Linux development history since 2.1 [03:30] I've had problems in the past w/ my touchpad and udev but I can't remember what I had to do to fix it :) [03:30] Some maintainers also dismissed the bugs as hardware failure. Talk about hybris. [03:30] wescotte: what card? [03:30] I think this was in the Slack 11.x days.. I haven't had the problem in awhile [03:31] wisedud2u: Nvidida 8400 GS (PCI) [03:31] wescotte: you're better off with 2.6.26 or 2.6.32 [03:31] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:31] in fact, try building 2.6.32 and retry, it might just clear all that shit up as it did for me [03:31] what's in -current these days? [03:31] 2.6.29.6 [03:31] oh, current [03:32] 2.6.33.1,I think [03:32] Man, I actually came in here to ask a question myself, but that console video crap bothered me so much I couldnt help buttin in :) [03:32] I've been trying to read up on KDM to see if it can obtain kerberos credentials from login, but the manuals are written for total non-technical people. Any iedas? [03:32] Coke: hah [03:33] I'm thinking of switching from GDM to KDM [03:33] (because GDM is like all things Gnome: bloated and overly complicated) [03:33] Well, I'm too lazy right now to attempt 2.6.32 so I'll just leave it. Slack 13.1 (or whatever ver) will be out soon enough and I'll update the machine then [03:33] wescotte: oh, that's lazy. :) [03:34] heh [03:34] It's not my machine so I think it's okay ;0 [03:34] So, any Kerberos users with KDM login working? [03:34] dunno what Kerberos is [03:34] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:34] wescotte:probing problem [03:36] Action: wisedud2u have very slow connection is trying to open http://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.fedoraforum.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D219737&ei=poa9S_6wK4THrAf-58HIBw&usg=AFQjCNFzTdckpgfOLNP96hRS07tQA8HvXQ&sig2=7TKXbLzssu9yUPb-6BBUpA [03:36] wisedud2u: yeah I figured it was something like that. cuz X won't even attempt to use the card unless I force it to via BusID "PCI:xx:xx:x" [03:36] wescotte: kerberos is a way of authenticating and authorizing users [03:37] wescote: might help http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=219737 [03:37] The manuals just say "XDM and KDM offers Kerberos support". Yeah? How? TGT? kinit? kauth? [03:38] ( Coke) 2.6.29.6 [03:38] (10:30:27) ( Coke) oh, current [03:38] (10:30:56) ( MLanden) 2.6.33.1,I think [03:38] sorry [03:38] righteous (~righteous@72.95.100.167) joined ##slackware. [03:39] trhodes: Yes, I still need to manually run dhclient(8). [03:39] wisedud2u: hmm suggestions look promising. I'll give them a shot.. Although I did read something in the changelogs of the drivers that seem to fix this bug.. so it might be something else [03:39] Coke: is it the same issue here ? [03:39] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:40] wisedud2u: what? [03:41] your probing problem [03:41] with the fedora ? [03:41] wisedud2u: I don't use fedora [03:41] or an 8400 chipset [03:41] i mean the fedora forum [03:43] Kernel panic - not synching [03:43] Attempted to kill init [03:43] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:43] I think Coke determined his problem was with udev and some framebuffer options [03:43] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [03:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-178-227.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] johndee_ (~id@93-81-136-206.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:48] johndee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:49] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:49] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. 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[04:22] i have a swap partition for slack. i have installed another distro which made this partition a cryptswap. will both systems be able to use or i should expect some bitching from one of the systems? [04:23] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.117) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:23] johndee, what other distro? [04:24] byteframe: i'd rather not tell :P [04:24] johndee, tell me. [04:24] Tell me now. [04:24] byteframe: lucid beta [04:24] Why do all slackware users get off on trashing ubuntu? We need something to give to others. [04:25] I believe there is support for booting from encrypted root, so swap should hopefully work. I've not used it. Check docs on slackware cd/dvd. [04:25] johndee, make sure to mkswap before doing swapon in slackware (rc.S, i believe)., and you'll be fine. [04:25] Encrypting ones swap...hmm [04:26] johndee: read README_CRYPT, encrypted swap is explained there quite well [04:26] I believe slava's suggestions will work. [04:26] 'formatting' the swap area takes a second. [04:27] Whether or not ubuntu puts it back... [04:28] i was just wondering if both systems will be able to use it in current config. slack - unencrypted. ubuntu - encrypted [04:28] byteframe: slack is not setup to use encryption in any way [04:29] johndee, slack will not recognize an encrypted partition as swap. so either set it up to do so, or mkswap. [04:29] ubuntu should reencrypt it on boot. [04:29] no guarantees, though :) [04:30] slava_dp: i see. thanks [04:30] guess i'll just make a swapfile for slack in that case [04:30] johndee, check README_CRYPT.TXT from a slackware mirror if you want to install slack on an encrypted partition. [04:31] johndee: slackware resets the encrypted swap to an unencrypted one on shutdown. I would expect ubuntu to do the same. Then again.... [04:33] byteframe: no need for this yet. thanks, though :) [04:33] johndee, should my paranoia reach epic proportions and it doesn't enact a huge perforamance it, I might try it [04:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.9.43) joined ##slackware. [04:34] morning lads o/ [04:34] Nick change: phragmatic -> phrags [04:34] phrags (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [04:34] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [04:34] pprkut: i guess i can check whether partitioning tools recognise it as a swap partition from a livecd. encrypted partition is most likely to be recognised as unknown format.. [04:35] lol, you still on about your encrypted swap? [04:35] phrags: morning, yes :) [04:36] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:36] well i've got full disk encryption with slackware-current on all my machines, anything i can help with? [04:36] byteframe: mine is already there. will encrypt as soon as i sort aout more actual probs :) [04:37] phrags: yes, how can you boot such a system up remotely ? ;) [04:37] johndee, likewise. [04:37] :D [04:38] phrags: using lvm? [04:38] i've been thinkin about using busybox + dropbear to let me unlock the volume, and then doing the pivot_root (or whatever) to finish starting up [04:40] nheco (~nheco@189.73.189.22) joined ##slackware. [04:40] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:41] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: bubye [04:41] trhodes: store the password in /etc/crypttab. Of course that has a certain impact on security.... [04:42] pprkut, that wsa the point, i'm worried about the machine being stolen :/ [04:42] johndee: yes, lvm+luks [04:42] anyone use zenwalk ? [04:43] trhodes: i don't.. it's desktop/laptop.. i've no need for remote boot =) [04:43] phrags: looking for traitors? :P [04:43] haha, i figured as much, not many people have the threat model I do [04:43] lol, someone in the office just mentioned it to me.. i was surprised i've never heard of it [04:44] am i right to assume that encrypted partitions are recognised as unknown partitions by, say, parted? [04:45] phrags: wasn't that called mini-slack, or something like that aeons ago? [04:46] johndee, try swapon /dev/yourswap and you'll see if it can be activated. no need to use parted. [04:48] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[05:07] while read -r line; do wc -l <<< "$line"; done < file [05:07] something like that [05:07] you can also echo the line, and the line number if you wish... [05:08] use python? [05:08] slava_dp: wc -l ? [05:08] python: len(line) [05:08] whoops, wc -c [05:08] or line.length() [05:08] Camarade_Tux, thanks for correcting :) [05:08] ;-) [05:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.170.24) joined ##slackware. [05:10] shemp (~shemp@66.226.201.54) joined ##slackware. [05:11] thanks [05:12] Camarade_Tux, where has slackytude disappeared? [05:13] I saw him in January [05:13] think he got busy [05:16] ha. i was right. encrypted swap is unknown partition. but how it could tell if the type is written in MBR... [05:17] johndee, well it could have read the actual partition header. ext2/3/4, reiserfs, xfs, jfs, all of them have the mbr type of Linux, but they do get recognized, don't they? [05:19] slava_dp: silly me. that's right [05:21] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [05:23] anyone still use reiser killer fs? [05:24] then i assume buntu doesn't reset it to unencrypted :\ [05:24] phrags: it has bad karma. i wouldn't trust my pr0n to it :) [05:24] hehe [05:24] otherwise it would be detected by parted [05:25] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:25] s/be/have been/ [05:27] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.170.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:32] I have this Atheros WiFi PCI express card and I want to use to i make an AP so I can share my eth0 to my laptop (wich is running windoze). I don't have any idea on how to do that [05:33] still having problems with that? [05:33] yes [05:33] Azeotrope, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/hostapd/ [05:33] it's messed up everything up in my head [05:34] Azeotrope: http://tinyurl.com/yccugxg [05:34] nnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! sparkle on the mobo, won't boot anymore [05:35] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] reiserfs is a good filesystem. i would've still used it, if not for it's karma. [05:36] slava_dp: and what driver should I use? [05:36] ath5k/ath9k [05:38] ok, boots again hopefully [05:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.224.229) joined ##slackware. [05:46] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:47] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:03] site_perl is not stupid [06:03] the pure/vendor/site trilogy actually works pretty damn well [06:04] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Client Quit [06:05] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:05] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) joined ##slackware. [06:06] no doubt it does [06:06] but having this thing install in vendor_perl instead of site_perl is giving me headache [06:06] s/having/trying to have/ [06:07] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:09] yy? [06:09] meaning? [06:09] why? [06:10] no way to specify that. debian apparently has a configure patch that makes it install to vendor_perl, i'm gonna try it now. [06:10] Oo [06:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-196-117.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [06:11] ^ [06:13] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[06:34] <:D [06:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:34] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:34] how do I get to run an app inside screen at kde startup? [06:35] rhisa: try du -a, it's even better [06:35] rhisa, you haven't tried "tree" yet. [06:35] D: [06:35] ls -R seems to do what I need. [06:35] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6E346.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Why would I need disk usage? :D I can use df for that. [06:35] Never heard of tree... [06:36] Whoa tree looks even better!!! <:O!! [06:36] rhisa: because ls wasn't originally designed to be used for reccursif stuff, but du was :p [06:36] I am now confused. So many goodies! [06:36] heaumer_, you apparently also haven't tried 'tree' yet :D [06:37] i did, but i never needed to use it :-° [06:37] I need it for managing my backup. [06:37] Action: rhisa drools. [06:37] how ? [06:37] I need referencing. [06:37] For example, after I store my backup away, I don't feel like taking it out, plugging it in, etc, when I could just open up a txt and read. [06:38] hm, sounds funny, you've got an example ? [06:38] Ya know? [06:38] on an unrelated note, there is also pstree, which shows a handy user-parseable process tree :-) [06:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-160-14.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [06:38] Let's say you want to know if you have ever downloaded a song. Instead of taking out the backup, etc. You could just open up a txt file and search for that song name. <:) [06:39] what's the effect of fdisk's message "partition does not end on cylinder boundary"? worst perf? bad compatibility? [06:39] rhisa: well, du -a | awk '/name/ { print $2 }' does the job, or may i misunderstand ? [06:39] You have your backup turned off and completely disconnected from your computer. [06:39] goj (~goj@p4FE6F32E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:39] ah [06:39] No command work. Unless it's literally magic. [06:39] ok [06:39] lol [06:39] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [06:39] Get it now? :) [06:39] yep [06:40] methinks heaumer_ is a du fan :) [06:40] not really, but i like to think in the « unix way »; one tool, one job :p [06:42] A good way to abuse a tool. [06:42] lol [06:43] yeah, let's use du for everything :) [06:44] Action: slava_dp invents duatks, a tool that stands for "du and the kitchen sink" [06:44] LOL [06:44] hmm sounds like teco [06:45] teco can everthing, including driving you crazy [06:46] debian patch for vendor_perl worked. now to do some final touches to the build.... [06:46] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [06:47] grrrr, why am I getting these "Partition X does not end on cylinder boundary" in fdisk? and no way to avoid them it seems [06:47] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Client Quit [06:47] Camarade_Tux: because you used parted or another tool to create them [06:48] no, fdisk [06:48] I'm making them from scratch [06:49] or, is it because I'm using '+10GB' in fdisk? [06:50] my only concern is that the output of 'fdisk -l' is ugly >< [06:51] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-160-14.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:57] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.18.65.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:57] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.18.99.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:59] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@5353059E.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:01] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [07:01] unless it's due to extended disks, fdisk -l looks fine on my 750G drives [07:04] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:04] /dev/sdb2 1217 91201 722804512+ 83 Linux [07:04] might try "+10G" and leave the B out [07:07] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) joined ##slackware. [07:08] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:11] yeh i've had that issue too [07:12] i found just sticking to fdisk/cfdisk keeps me right =) [07:17] just throwing this one out here... Anyone here using Thinkpad x200 with slackware ? [07:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] slava_dp: well, it's not using du for everything, but ls wasn't originally designed to list reccursively the content of a directory, but du was [07:20] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-egzexeixqquczzcu) joined ##slackware. [07:20] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [07:21] good morning [07:24] Kenjiro: uia [07:24] Kenjiro: morning, Kenjiro [07:24] :P [07:24] necropresto: why "uia"? ahahaha [07:24] necropresto: like you never saw me here [07:25] Kenjiro: i missed you @#slackware-br [07:26] Anyone have a favorite cpu monitor? :) [07:26] Currently I use the system monitor that comes with KDE, not sure I find that acceptable. [07:26] htop [07:27] Bah top. [07:27] I am so used to gui... [07:27] I.. you're right. [07:27] <:( [07:27] rhisa (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [07:28] htop is cool [07:28] wtf you need a gui to monitor procs? =P [07:29] beats me [07:30] hes gone [07:30] or shes* [07:30] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:33] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] phrags: perhaps he/she only wants to monitor the percentage of cpu usage? [07:33] who knows [07:34] again... why gui =P [07:34] since it's already running? :) [07:34] to waste resources viewing resource usage, ofcourse! [07:34] hehe [07:34] and there are plenty widgets to do that, or gkrellm if a gui is really reqiured [07:34] makes nothing but perfect sense [07:35] lol [07:35] since I already have a gui running, why not use gkrellm and monitor multiple items with a graph [07:35] phrags: ive actually found the availability of widgets for it somewhat lacking [07:35] and it's not like I overload the desktop or anything [07:35] i agreee... that's not a process monitor though [07:35] and gkrellm blows [07:35] I like it [07:35] and conky is awesome but so painful to get right [07:35] for what I use it for [07:35] i rather like gkrellm... wish it was more dev tho [07:37] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:41] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.254.1) joined ##slackware. [07:48] it looks like I have troubles booting on usbboot.img so I've booted on a CD, now, can I use that to continue the "boot" process from the usb key? [07:49] Camarade_Tux: which usbboot.img? [07:49] i test these with every update [07:49] the one from -current in usb-and-pxe-installer [07:50] so 2.6.33.1? [07:50] sahk0: I think the problem is the computer actually [07:50] it doesn't seem to "see" the usb key [07:50] did you press F12? or the bios cant boot from usb? [07:51] sahk0: F8 on Asus :) [07:52] fwiw the usbboot.img's are a hit or miss here. 2.6.33 didnt work, 2.6.33.1 does. so does the 2.6.29.6 from 13.0 [07:52] but since isohybrid works im mostly done with them [07:53] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) joined ##slackware. [07:55] well, I'll see soon [07:55] I'll try on this laptop [07:56] but the bios should definitely handle that [07:56] will boot on CD1, it should be good for what I want (repartition) [07:56] baccardi (~nera@193.219.94.141) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@5353059E.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:58] baccardi (nera@193.219.94.141) left ##slackware. [07:59] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) joined ##slackware. [07:59] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pfbkyjbjdadkrwda) joined ##slackware. [07:59] morning' [08:00] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:02] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.254.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:03] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:10] _nheco_ (~nheco@189-72-60-146.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:12] oslo_ (~andre_@212.183.140.36) joined ##slackware. [08:12] anyone encrypt swap [08:13] no - too much of a performance hit even if it's allowed [08:13] i can encrypt data device just having trouble with swap [08:13] nheco_ (~nheco@200-102-254-6.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:14] yes [08:14] you do phrags ? [08:14] yes [08:14] _nheco_ (~nheco@189-72-60-146.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [08:14] Action: Zordrak too [08:14] ok - what kind of performance hit do you get? [08:15] alisonken1noc: none.. cause swap is unnecessary :) [08:15] :) [08:15] nothing noticable [08:15] i encrypt root, home and swap [08:15] i was following -> http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/README_CRYPT.TXT but i must be doing something wrong when slack boots i get message saying swapon: cannot stat /dev/mapper/cryptswap: no suh file or diectory [08:15] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:16] when something IS swapping.. the difference between RAM and swap is SO much morce than the diff between nocrypt and crypt disk that its pretty irrelevant [08:16] did you lvscan --mknodes and lvchange -ay ? [08:16] no i didnt [08:16] can i do that now [08:16] can hurt [08:16] cant* [08:16] lol [08:16] =P [08:16] ok ill try it [08:17] har (~AndChat@elkhart.benningtonmarine.com) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:17] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:17] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:18] also, it should be accessed via /dev/cryptvg/swap as oppossed to /dev/mapper/* [08:18] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:18] assumign cryptvgis the name of your volume group if using lvm [08:18] lvscan: unrecongnized option '--mknodes' [08:19] sorry [08:19] vgscan [08:19] k [08:19] and vgchange [08:20] it's documented in the README.CRYPT [08:20] vgchange -ay [08:20] yeah i must have missed that [08:20] phrag, do reboot or can i check without it ? [08:20] ivob (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:21] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:21] no reboot needed [08:21] it depends how you have your setup, are you using LVM/LuKs? full encryption or just swap? [08:22] just swap at moment ..i was going to do all my partitions [08:22] Nick change: ivob -> tiny [08:22] tiny (ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left ##slackware. [08:22] also make sure you mkswap /dev/cryptvg/swap [08:22] har (~AndChat@elkhart.benningtonmarine.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [08:22] seems like today is LUKS day in ## [08:22] then you can swapon /dev/cryptvg/swap [08:22] pprkut: idd =P [08:23] there isnt a /dev/cryptvg <- [08:23] let's open the meeting of the anonymous LUKS users! [08:24] oslo_: then you missed a step... i suggest going back and making sure you created and enabled the luks devices [08:24] with pvcreate, vgcreate and lvcreate [08:25] ill have to reinstall phrag ? [08:25] then vgscan --mknodes and vgchange -ay, which should make the device nodes in /dev/cryptvg/* which you can then access like normal devices/partitions [08:25] oslo_: no, you shouldn't have to.. [08:25] ok ill do that thanks [08:27] can't hurt to remake your swap [08:30] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@5353059E.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:32] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Goliath (~shockrate@unaffiliated/goliath) joined ##slackware. [08:33] hi [08:34] i added a new hdd with windows on it in my pc [08:34] so i changed the fstab and added uuid [08:34] added some partitions too [08:34] less pushing enter please :> [08:34] is it ok like this? or are things missing [08:34] http://pastebin.org/141308 [08:35] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:35] mm, I think /home should be "0 2" instead of "0 1", but looks OK [08:37] whats 02 and 01 [08:37] ? [08:37] what order they're checked on startup for fsck [08:37] Goliath: man fstab [08:38] alisonken1noc, this is the order i get from fdisk -l and blkid [08:39] fdisk did not give you those options :) [08:40] from fsck i get these msgs [08:40] WARNING: bad format on line 12 of /etc/fstab [08:40] WARNING: bad format on line 13 of /etc/fstab [08:40] your missing some fields there [08:40] yeah [08:40] how should they be? [08:40] oh, I was only looking at 15-18 [08:41] first, you already have swap on line 16 [08:41] 12 and 13 lines refer to the new hdd i added [08:41] which has windows on it [08:41] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [08:41] and was formatted by windows [08:41] its windows swap [08:42] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [08:42] windows requires a swap ? [08:42] virtual memory [08:42] maybe [08:43] windows requires swap - but it uses a file rather than a swap partition [08:43] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:44] http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions might help [08:44] anyway how should those 2 lines be [08:44] I don't feel like spoon-feeding you teh line, because you need to learn something here [08:44] read that link above for a good NTFS example and explanation why [08:45] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:45] alisonken1noc: fyi windows CAN be given a partition for swap... but its certainly not a default [08:46] isnt page file same as swap? [08:46] regardless, I don't think you'll need to access it in linux [08:46] the new search result layout of the google is ugly, innit [08:48] new layout? [08:48] thrice`, ok [08:48] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [08:48] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [08:48] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:48] so should i mount that hdd as said in that guide? [08:48] i don't see a layout change.. same old google [08:49] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@5353059E.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:49] phrags: think someone left the bridge doors unlocked [08:50] phrags: swap is swap - but a swap file has extra overhead that a swap partition doesn't have [08:50] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:50] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:52] is creating a group a must? [08:52] cant i just mount the partition? [08:52] does anyone have a clue when 13.1 is coming ? [08:52] what's your problem? [08:52] iAVOR: yes... 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[08:56] im going to use slackware for my laptop [08:56] and im going to buy a SSD [08:56] since trim is supported [08:56] on [08:56] 2.6.33 [08:56] kernel [08:56] i would want to upgrade :) [08:56] iAVOR: well it will be out when it's ready, and -current is nice right now, suggesting 13.1 is not too far off... but the slackers way: it'll be ready when it's actually ready =P [08:56] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [08:57] well fair enough :) [08:57] to do this [08:57] /dev/hda1 /mnt/winXP ntfs-3g rw,gid=102,dmask=0007,fmask=0117 0 0 [08:57] do i need to create /mnt/winxp first? [08:57] or is autocreated? [08:58] mkdir /dev/winxp [08:58] make it [08:58] also... Linux is usually case sensitive [08:58] Goliath: some1 told me that 0 0 is not a good idea but i might be wrong [08:58] why? [08:58] so /mnt/winXP != /mnt/winxp [08:59] i dont remember the reason :) [08:59] i was going to make my windows partition with 0 0 [08:59] but the man suggested 1 0 [08:59] if you don;t know the reason then don't suggest chanigng 0 0 to 1 0 [08:59] should i chmod at /mnt/winXP? [08:59] or leave it as it is [08:59] sorry ;) [09:01] dude, mounting a windows partition is not rocket science... i suggest you do some reading and figure it out... or pick a different OS =P [09:01] i just ask so i may not run into problems [09:01] stop asking and do [09:01] thats the way to break things [09:01] :d [09:01] you don't learn to ride a bike by asking questions [09:02] well i did [09:02] :D [09:02] you're an imbecile [09:02] yeh, slackers tent to be pragmatists =P [09:02] notKlaatu (~sxe@office.vivisimo.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] an imbecile is someone who acts before he thinks [09:03] prob you i guess [09:03] :) [09:03] now now, no need for insults =P [09:03] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Action: thumbs insults phrags [09:04] only if they're good ones [09:04] no time for insults.. i need a wee! [09:04] like Churchill [09:04] "so let me get this right, you say i need to pedal in such a way as to offset the sideways forces that act on my center of gravity in terms of newton's equation of..." "no dummy, i mean get on the bike and fucking pedal" :P [09:05] mesoDann (~dann@204.154.43.246) joined ##slackware. [09:05] hehe [09:05] oslo_ (~andre_@212.183.140.36) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:05] mancha, well its easier for me to think first [09:05] i guessed a password for an install the other day... it was [09:05] lol [09:05] hah [09:05] brackets and all =P [09:06] phrags: that's my password! [09:06] someone follows instructions well [09:06] thumbs: it's all over the interwebs! [09:06] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:06] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [09:06] hmmmm I should change my password then? :P [09:06] I better firewall my boxes, then [09:06] phrags: you h4x0r [09:06] ahahahaha [09:07] i use secure passwords, mine is always "xy" where xy is a random two digit number [09:07] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:08] mancha: good call [09:08] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:08] so, it seems all the brouhaha over the mystery root cert is over. at least that was fun for 24 hours. 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[09:16] paul424_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] mozilla needs to set it PR right cause when the contract with google ends in 2012 they will have a hard time signing a good deal with all the negative publicity lately [09:16] Goliath (~shockrate@unaffiliated/goliath) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:16] paul424_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:17] i like lastpass, it's a nice password manager [09:17] you know, yeah it was a bit of confusion but ultimately i think it shows something is working over there. i mean, a questionable cert was identified and is now poised for removal [09:17] a text file in a truecrypt vault is a nice password manager ;) [09:17] i use randomly generated secure passwords for everything [09:18] slava_dp: that's my backup =P [09:18] mancha: you talking about the RSA cert? [09:18] yes [09:18] paul424_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [09:18] didnt RSA eventually claim that yesterday? [09:18] i still removed it tho =P [09:18] yes they claimed it, but they also recommended removal [09:19] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:19] lol [09:19] and though they also claim they have the privkey and they can assert chain of custody, 24 hours earlier they claimed it wasn't theirs. so how safe has that privkey been? [09:20] exactly [09:20] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-229.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:24] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:24] Goliath (~shockrate@unaffiliated/goliath) joined ##slackware. [09:24] hi [09:26] hi [09:26] hi [09:26] the method suggested worked [09:26] i need to add a grub entry now for that hdd [09:27] grub? [09:27] yes that hdd has windowsxp on it [09:27] Goliath: your not using slackware are you? [09:27] doesnt slck have grub? [09:27] Goliath, cat /etc/slackware-version [09:27] haha [09:27] lol... i'll take that as a no [09:27] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] hmm, i remember seeing grub in extra at some time [09:28] but don't really now if it's supported [09:28] Oh yeah, that's the ticket! [09:28] slackware does not come with grub.. but can be configured to use grub [09:28] hence why i assume Goliath is not using slackware [09:29] why do so many people from other distros come asking questions here? =() [09:29] 8-ball says you're right [09:29] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:29] slava_dp: when all else fails.. /j ##slackware =P [09:29] phrags++ [09:29] anyway i use grub here [09:29] that's great, good luck with your OS [09:29] that explains the dumb questions though [09:29] it does =P [09:29] why dumb? [09:29] slack is for pros? [09:30] no, just people with a brain [09:30] or at least a working facsimile [09:30] ##slackware is for Slackware users. [09:30] it's slack's one dep =) [09:30] why the insults now? [09:30] grub is okay once you got past the crying-in-the-shower-under-cold-water-because-you-are-such-a-filthy-whore phase [09:30] lol [09:30] heh [09:30] grubby whore! [09:30] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] lol [09:31] wow it people have issues [09:31] :) [09:31] anyway thanks for the help up to now [09:31] yeh we do when someone is trying to hood wink us [09:32] i was trying nothing [09:32] or bamboozle [09:32] Goliath: good luck with your future endevours =) [09:32] u 2 [09:32] ##elsewhere [09:32] (i hope) [09:32] tewmten: you went through that phase? ;-) [09:33] try to be polite next time [09:33] AbsTradELic (~ezequiel@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [09:33] it works :) [09:33] Goliath (shockrate@unaffiliated/goliath) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:33] please... Im having problems with notebook toshiba's biometric reader and mouse pointer ! Im using xorg 7.5.can somebody help ? [09:33] we are here offering free support.. we have no obligation to anyone [09:33] Camarade_Tux: hey, i started working at a company who was using ubuntu as their main distribution! oh yes i was going through that phase! [09:33] bbl, meeting [09:33] never touched biometic devices [09:33] i'll leave that one well alone =P [09:34] tewmten: I had something in the end when I read your message and let if fall on the floor =/ [09:34] ubuntu... [09:34] Im using current [09:34] phrags: X:P [09:34] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [09:35] AbsTradELic: I probably won't be able to help you either because I've never used any device like that, but... what is the problem? can you describe it? [09:35] AbsTradELic you might end up not wanting slackware [09:35] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:35] for biometric finger readers you need a PAM plugin for auth, slackware doesn't officially support PAM, and installing it is not trivial [09:36] everyone else supports PAM though (so you have many choices) [09:36] Camarade_Tux: mouse pointer only work if I have my finger inside of biometric reader [09:36] hmmmmm [09:36] lol [09:36] Action: Camarade_Tux raises an eyebrow [09:36] lol, you have a problem then [09:36] thats same hardcore crazy [09:36] AbsTradELic: it's a feature, not a bug! lol [09:36] finger above* [09:37] phrags: serious ? [09:37] xD [09:37] lol, no just joking hehe [09:37] and yeh, you might run into some problems with PAM [09:37] but I always need to put my finger above for pointer move [09:38] stranger [09:38] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:39] mouse pointer dependence of random fingers [09:39] xD [09:39] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:39] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:39] mancha: huM... ok [09:40] but at this moment I need work with my mouse [09:40] and it only work with my finger above bio reader [09:41] X:/ [09:42] AbsTradELic, can you disable the bioreader in the bios? [09:42] might be your only option currently [09:42] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:43] har (~AndChat@166.188.107.178) joined ##slackware. [09:44] nvision (~nvision@g225054027.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:46] slava_dp: huM [09:46] I will see it... thanks [09:46] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Action: Zordrak <3 xfs [09:48] Zordrak, tell us more :) [09:50] oh you're out of space? Oh, well a little lvresize -L +64G /dev/vg0/archive here and some xfs_growfs /dev/vg0/archive there and off you you liitle scamp, you [09:50] hehe [09:50] you were expecting to have to umount? oh no young sir, this is not redmond.. it *needs* to be mountde to grow it [09:51] well on the downside it can't be shrunk [09:51] which, when on top of a pacemaker controlled DRBD RAID61 is some really awesome powah [09:52] slava_dp: lvcreate -L $smaller /dev/vg0/new_archive; mkfs.xfs !$; mount !$ /foo; rsync -av /archive/ /foo/ [09:53] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:53] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [09:54] slava_dp: lvremove archive; lvrename new_archive archive [09:54] if desired :) [09:54] Zordrak, that would work :) [09:54] do you use xfs for / too? [09:55] no, ext4 [09:55] I go for ext4 for / and /home, and xfs for storage usually [09:55] ext4 for /, /boot and anything else thats pretty small. Any kind of large storage area goes xfs [09:55] slava_dp: snap [09:55] why xfs? [09:55] NaCl: teh purest awesomeness [09:55] what are the benefits of jfs by the way? why does it exist? [09:55] THATs why ;) [09:56] Zordrak: that sounds like many of the arguments I've seen in the editor war. care to elaborate? [09:56] slava_dp: meh. i just donc bother myself with it [09:57] NaCl: the biggest reason for xfs > ext4 for large filesystems is that ext4 eats up too much of the space [09:57] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] i've heard some people actually use jfs, but the info is very scarce. [09:57] NaCl: a 500G xfs FS is only 450/470 or so if formatted ext4 [09:57] (ottomh) [09:57] eh. [09:58] Zordrak: how big is your /home? [09:58] NaCl: which /home, where? [09:58] the one where you have xfs as storage [09:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems [09:58] 3TB [09:58] so what about the xfs partitions? [09:58] (at work.. 2TB at home) [09:59] NaCl: not sure what youre getting at.. step back and start again [09:59] How big are your xfs partitions? [10:00] at home theres 2x400G, 2x500G, 4x640G [10:00] at work theres a 3TB volume that so far hase one 320G xfs and the rest will soon be filled at a few hundred G per filesystem.. maximum expecrted single FS will be at most 1TB [10:01] Action: NaCl only has at most three partitions per disk [10:01] And my largest one is 1.5 TB [10:01] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:01] and the system is desiugned to scale to a total single-volume size of 16TB with new disks [10:02] nice [10:02] would need new chassis to go further than that really [10:02] Action: NaCl has seven HDD slots [10:02] until WD and seagate start shipping 4TB sata enterprise drives [10:03] (each of the two servers backing it has /boot and / on a hw raid1 on WD velociRaptors) [10:03] why not use disktrays? [10:04] Skywise: the system makes sense as is [10:04] i'm just wary of the reconstruct/sync times of the larger volumes [10:04] if i wanted to go past 16TB i could externalise some disks... but id still prolly be looking at a new raid card with more lanes [10:05] i want to build a storage array for home [10:05] Skywise: which is why you use RAID61 with LTO tape backup [10:05] then it really doesnt matter all that much [10:05] just for movies, music and possibly games.. think coupel 1TB WD with LVM2 would suffice? [10:05] error_developer_ (~barby@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:05] hi [10:06] phrags: seems reasonable.. but the lvm might not be worth it [10:06] its still gonna take ages to reconstruct/sync a 4tb drive [10:06] i am upgrading slackware64-current .. [10:06] my question is.. would lvm be practical and not too much of a performance hit? (just storage, no OS) [10:06] jvv (~jvv@averon.wojtysiak.org) joined ##slackware. [10:06] and now i seem to be missing libuuid.so .. [10:06] phrags: raid1, whole disk xfs [10:06] does anyone has a clue about this lib? [10:06] software raid? [10:06] well yeh, i just want to be able to scale it up [10:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:06] phrags: if you hit real trouble, you want to be able to do raw recovery and the LVM will shit in your cereal [10:06] software raid6 takes alot of cpu overhead [10:07] Skywise: i use hwraid6 [10:07] not too bothered about bit overhead, no OS [10:07] http://thenextweb.com/uk/2010/04/08/uks-digital-economy-bill-approved-democracy-fail-social-media-win/ [10:07] jvv (jvv@averon.wojtysiak.org) left ##slackware ("EKG2 bejbi! http://ekg2.org/"). [10:07] so xfs on raw disk? [10:07] phrags: tbh.. i recommend doing what I do at home (unsurprisingly) [10:07] (yes) [10:08] sweet, i'll definatly research that as a solution [10:08] be next payday when i get the disks =P [10:08] I have two servers, each an identical copy of the other.. one is off most of the time and it has two scripts: chechk_backup.sh and do_backup.sh [10:08] the check is basically an rsync -avn --delete that shows me what would happen during backup [10:09] if im happy with it and theres nothing deleted that shouldnt be.. then i run the do_backup script [10:09] ideally check_backup would do a hash compare.. but i dont have the CPU to make it feasible [10:09] if its a backup, do you really need to delete? [10:10] this 3G modem work in current? -> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E1552 (HSPA modem) [10:10] but in any case if i get silent corruption on the master.. the corruption is not gonna be copied to the slave.. or if it is.. it would show that it will do it in the chack and i will say WTF that shouldnt have changed [10:10] Skywise: yes.. because i might have moved some things around or deleted sme old crap to free space [10:11] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [10:11] also.. both boxes are XBMC machines, one in the bedroom one in the lounge so wherever im using xbmc im using local media not loading the network [10:11] i'd like to have an archive so i can revert [10:12] and if something happens to any one disk.. the corresponding backup/primary will be left offline permanently til i have a replacement to re-backup [10:12] Skywise: i do have that in this setup [10:12] but its becomming increasingly rare to revert now tho, its usually press on to the newest version for a fix [10:12] Skywise: i manually choose how long between backups [10:12] hey guys, old thinkpad x40.. rather slow but great machine... ext4 or ext3? [10:13] the problem with RAID1 being when your shit corrupts.. the backup is instantly worthless [10:13] phrags: 4 [10:13] i'm thinking ext4 is pointless, and just makes me load an extra module with initrd [10:13] phrags: ahah.. not so fast [10:13] phrags: the ext4 module will now do ext2 and 3 too.. [10:13] so you *only* need the ext4 code [10:13] (im pretty sure of this) [10:13] Zordrak: yeh, that's cool [10:14] don't do journaling on top of raid tho [10:14] so you reckon just go with ext4, even on a slow laptop ? [10:14] that will only end in heartbreak [10:14] phrags: i dont see its really gonna make all that much difference [10:14] Skywise: the hell? its your only backup against fs corruptioen [10:14] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:15] nah, the raid keeps the integrity of the data, they're redundant [10:15] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] Skywise: WTF? [10:15] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:16] Skywise: raid does no such thingc [10:16] but the real problem is that after an unclean shut down, the journal can start reconstructing from areas on the raid partition that aren't properly synced [10:16] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:16] Skywise: if you corrupt the FS on disk one the corruption is instanly duplicated on disk2 [10:16] and then will reconstruct files using bad data [10:16] slava_dp: afaik it may be possible to shriknk XFS in the future [10:16] no, you only corrupt one at a time [10:16] Skywise: are you insane? [10:17] Skywise: dd if=/dev/null of=/important/file/or/part/of/FS/root count=64 [10:17] no, not at all, i've seen it happen with raid5 and ext3 and theres wide spread reports of similar issue [10:18] ah ..ok, so util-linux-ng-2.14.2-x86_64-2 did not have the libuuid.so and now -2.17.1-x86_64-1 has it! [10:18] ^ instantly done on BOTH disks. bye bye data [10:18] thats not corruption [10:18] thats wiping the disk [10:18] i just need to wait for slackpkg upgrade-all to finish the job! :_) [10:18] Skywise: no. thats corrupting a file. just like any authorised process on your box is more than happy to do if asked [10:18] the whole point of raid is to be resilient to a failed sector on one device [10:19] Camarade_Tux: indeed.. xfs has active feature development and its good [10:19] raid doesn't protect against mistakes [10:19] Skywise: that is NOT filesystem corruption. thats something completely different [10:19] it only preserves the integrity of the data, its agnostic to what the data is [10:19] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [10:19] you could dd i_f=/dev/sda, same [10:20] err, of= ;-) [10:20] Skywise: http://www.google.com/search?q=define:integrity [10:20] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:20] theblackerbox (~sammo@94-194-182-106.zone8.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:20] it preserves the availability... not the integrity [10:20] the way i'm using that term is to mean that what you read is what you wrote, and no more [10:20] Nick change: xchg_drichme -> xchg [10:21] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [10:21] having data availible even if its the wrong data would satisfy availibility, but it wouldn't be worth much unless its accurate as well [10:21] and this is precisely my point.. RAID1 gives you no integrity protection.. manually backup to duplicate media does preserve integrity [10:22] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:22] at least if you check it before it runs [10:22] phrags: hence my home policy and recommendation to you [10:22] I hate how hard drives get slower near their end ='( [10:23] raid 1 is just a virtual device made from 2 identical copies of the data, but it doesn't care why you change the data [10:23] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:23] RAID1 should be used to preserve uptime of a resource that is backed up to some other media (other disks or tape) on a regular basis.. it should not bo used to step your missus bashing your head in because you lost the latest series of Dexter [10:23] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:23] *stop [10:23] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:23] there's a new series of Dexter! [10:23] if you do what you said to any raid array, they would all faithfully accept your blanking of the filesystem [10:24] raid isn't backup [10:24] Skywise: you need to understand that data can change without you telling it to.. this is called corruption and can be caused by many different things including bugs and bad software [10:24] phrags: lolbears [10:24] i think unintentional changing of data is corruption [10:25] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Zordrak: thanks for the info, appreciate it [10:25] but its perfectly allowable for the os to write to the entire volume of the disk depending on its needs [10:25] phrags: np [10:25] AbsTradELic (~ezequiel@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:26] phrags: i lost 10 disks in a 3 year period.. and 3 of those over one weekend in three different boxes each on a different power ring, each disk of a different batch and model... i learned the hard way how to ensure data preservation [10:26] the difference in raid versions is fault tolerance of failure of the equipment in the system, but not the failures in the os [10:27] did you learn to shop for better hardware too? [10:27] phrags: the way i work now is the only way i will ever work... until i can afford an LTO5 robotic tape library at home that is ;) [10:27] if you get a process that decides to null random sectors on the disk, raid won't stop that from happening at all and will happily accept the changes [10:27] mancha: the problem was primarily environmental and related to a specific manufacturer's abil/ity to handle said environment... ive since stopped losing disks [10:28] hopefully the fs would prevent updates to critital sectors and areas of the volume [10:30] phrags: although at LTO5 capacity.. id accept manual tape changes.. but i still need someone to donate me an LTO5 drive.. lots of tapes and a U320 SCSIor FC card to run the bitch :)... oh yeah.. and i need LTO5 mfrs to start shipping their drives too [10:30] Slackware (~First@pool-173-58-26-39.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] suffice to say im sticking with my current solution for now [10:30] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Nick change: Slackware -> Guest29600 [10:31] haha, those robotic tape arms are awesome, never seen one up close tho [10:31] dang, i thought slackware had finnally come to visit us [10:31] they're nuts to load [10:31] Nick change: Guest29600 -> THE86d [10:31] Skywise: ? [10:31] phrags: depends a lot on the type and MFR.. the Sun L1000 was crazy.. the C4 is actually reasonably neat, and simple [10:32] you either have to load every slot by hand and then have it index/format/scan each volume [10:32] Skywise: they do an auto-inventory when you shut the door (unless you turn it off) [10:32] or which is worse, you have to load each 1 at a time thru a slot as the device initializes it [10:32] either way, its gonna dance all night [10:32] Skywise: youd never load more than one or two through a load port [10:33] and loading a 18-space magazine takes no more than a minute and even in an aging C4 will inventory in about 3 minutes [10:33] what do you do for the initial setup [10:33] 18? nah, i'm talking hundreds of slots [10:33] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [10:34] and even with ganged drives, it still takes forever [10:35] .. the F? the drives are irrelevant to the inventory.. maybe you are talking about a full import.. which (again) is a completely different thing [10:36] yeah, you gotta do it at least once [10:36] until the thing crashes and you have to reset [10:37] i just discovered 'sudo !!' today [10:37] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] awesome trick =) [10:37] you start a gunfight as root? [10:38] no, it runs the last command in history with sudo =) [10:38] hmm, thats good too, but i think a gun fight would of been neater [10:38] =P [10:38] phrags: also !$ and the duplicate Alt+. [10:39] Action: phrags experiments [10:39] bash wins. Fatality! [10:39] $_ (the last parameter) is neat too [10:40] what's the !$ ? [10:40] !$ == $_ ? [10:40] phrags: the same as Alt+. .. the last argument to the last command [10:40] THE86d (~First@pool-173-58-26-39.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:40] eg: [10:40] chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.samba [10:40] Zordrak, not really, i never use !$ [10:40] !$ start [10:41] ah that's cool... bit dangerous tho [10:41] although can you use with :p [10:41] phrags: if you worry about danger, use Alt+. then it completes before you actually hit enter [10:42] what's the difference between alt+ and tab then? [10:42] tab completes possible entries.. Alt+. just pastes whatever the last argcument to the last command was [10:42] try it [10:42] ah cool, i see now =) [10:42] morning Zordrak & phrags. [10:42] acidchild: sup foo [10:43] CentOS; yum update... so not allot. [10:43] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [10:43] j0z (~SPH@189.58.25.164) joined ##slackware. [10:43] j0z (~SPH@189.58.25.164) left irc: Changing host [10:43] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:43] that's a nasty quit message [10:44] slava_dp, you have to recognize the lulz in it. [10:44] acidchild: me too =P [10:44] hehe. [10:44] for i in {1..254}; do ssh root@10.0.0.${i} yum -y update; done [10:44] :) [10:44] =) [10:44] Zordrak, LOL [10:44] i could of used that foo recently logging into 50 boxes to update nrpe config =P [10:44] i do that for the gridengine execution hosts (centos) [10:45] but my awk/sed foo was weak and i didnt have time to google =P [10:45] there are parallel ssh scripts [10:45] bunch of vmware boxs running against a SAN [10:45] kinda nice. [10:45] yeh, could of used tenticle [10:45] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:46] phrags: bah.. for i in {1..254}; do rsync -av /etc/nagios/nrpe.cfg 10.0.0.${i}:/etc/nagios/.;done [10:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] phrags: bah.. for i in {1..254}; do ssh root@10.0.0.${i} /etc/rc.d/rc.nrpe restart;done [10:46] er.. s/bah..// [10:47] is there a simple way of stripping down CentOS with one command? [10:47] stripping down? [10:47] it has X and a bunch of other crap on it, because it was a clone VM. [10:47] yep [10:47] rm ? :) [10:48] rpm -e all the bad crap [10:48] rm -rf / [10:48] baad, don't post such things [10:48] Zordrak: ummm too much like hardwork. [10:48] :) [10:48] or yum {remove|erase} foo [10:49] Skywise: im telling alienBOB on you [10:49] :) [10:49] he loves me, i'm his biggest fan [10:49] LOL [10:50] acidchild: tbh all you need to do is remove a core X component and dependency hell will rewove the whole rest of the OS [10:50] *remove [10:50] whats the core x package called? [10:50] he's really saved me aeons of trouble [10:50] rpm -qa | grep X [10:51] Zordrak: no, i had to edit some conf files on each host... could of scripted it tho.. i will for next time =) [10:51] phrags: indeed [10:51] Zordrak: i've only just recently become an SA, so learning a lot of stuff i've never needed before.. it's great =) [10:52] Zordrak: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/GINL1g89.html [10:52] acidchild: how about "yum erase xorg*" [10:52] ok, i'll go for it [10:52] without a -y it will prompt before doing anything.. so go nuts [10:52] Action: guax asks himself what is all this talk with yum on ##slackware [10:52] isn't there some meta command for a set of basic packages [10:53] guax: sysadmins bitching about the crap they have to take at work [10:53] guax, come on you can offer bad advice on something you don't use like the rest of us [10:53] Skywise, ill try [10:53] # yum-get install build-essential [10:53] Skywise: thing is.. im offering GOOD advice [10:53] Skywise, there you go [10:54] Skywise: if i thought it was bad avice id stfu [10:54] yum-get? [10:54] very nice :-P [10:54] Which category should ZoneMinder fit on SBO? Network and system both fit [10:54] i think guax got it right [10:54] notKlaatu (sxe@office.vivisimo.com) left ##slackware. [10:54] Zordrak: thanks, that looks a hell of allot better. [10:54] slava_dp: difficult one [10:54] slava_dp: id say network [10:55] when running lilo, I'm getting "Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x0000 (NFS/RAID mirror down ?) [10:55] " [10:55] bah [10:55] Zordrak, k [10:55] slava_dp: its not related to core system management.. its an application to do a specific non system job that is networky [10:55] but i could be wrong [10:55] and the system shouldn't see a raid right now [10:55] poke pprkut [10:55] slava_dp, multimedia? [10:56] slava_dp: ^ [10:56] guax, that's not multimedia, it can't even do audio :) [10:56] Action: pprkut slaps Zordrak [10:56] yes? :) [10:56] isnt zoneminder is a security camera manager? [10:56] lol [10:56] pprkut, which category on SBO should ZoneMinger fit? [10:56] singlemedia is also multimedia :P [10:56] LOL@zoneminger [10:56] zoneminder is awesome. [10:56] what is that? [10:57] ZoneMinger probably in 'BuckRogers [10:57] pprkut, security camera solution, DVR [10:57] its a motion detection camera software [10:57] motiond is an easyer smaller alternative. [10:57] not ming the zoner [10:57] it lets you select zones of interest from a camera input [10:57] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:57] urbandictionary: minger [10:57] motion is in system, afaik [10:57] (zoneminder) that is. [10:57] slava_dp, we dont have a "security" or "surveillance" category, put on multimedia [10:57] Action: thrice` votes system [10:57] MonZinger ? [10:57] LOL [10:57] i need a camera that can run standalone [10:57] ZoneMinder I would think would be multimedia [10:58] or Misc [10:58] eidos_ (~eidos@189.27.96.107.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [10:58] pprkut: i find motion has more 'to the point' support for more cameras. ZoneMinder takes a little more effort. [10:58] pprkut, right, if motion is in system, will put ZM in system too. [10:58] id LOVE to run zoneminder... if only i had cameras :( [10:58] slava_dp, what about Misc? [10:58] acidchild, motion is great, but it hasn't a webinterface. [10:58] but you can make it webinterfaceable... [10:58] guax, misc is for some weird junk [10:58] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:59] i did GET pull JPEG to RTSP/RDP with motion... later on with zone minder though a perl proxy [10:59] at worlk im running a POS called DM NetVu Observer which is Java, but not supported on linux [10:59] my motion sensitive camera always goes nuts when i'm on vacation [10:59] acidchild, sure, but you'd have to create a webinterface/archives manager for it. that's a tough task. [10:59] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:59] i'll try its setting before i go and no triggers, the moment i leave, it fills my email with the same snapshot [10:59] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:59] and ZM has one ready. [11:00] i like to skin the cat my way thx. [11:00] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Action: acidchild skins Zordrak the cat. [11:00] LMAO [11:00] and i had no idea why until, i happened to catch shadows of birds flying by the window [11:00] buh? [11:00] it flickers enough to trigger the motion detector, but too short to get captured in the image [11:00] hey guys, i could go into #centos and ask this but thought i'd bounce it here to save me switching windows... [11:01] bah@acidchild [11:01] you can open more then one window, phrags [11:01] phrags: dude.. laaaame excuse :) [11:01] shush your bleeding Zordrak... i'm making you in to a pair of socks. [11:01] acidchild: orite.. just so long as i know [11:01] when building rpm's from custom spec file i wrote, what's the difference in Requires: and those deps needed to build? [11:01] slava_dp, i dont think it should go to system. its multimedia or misc to me [11:01] squishy socks, eww [11:01] Zordrak: yeh, i'm being cheeky.. .feel free to tell me to fsck off =P [11:01] phrags: i stay FAR away from .spec files im afraid.. no idea [11:01] slava_dp, and if you can decide what it its, perhaps it is a weird stuff [11:02] people have talked about worse in here. [11:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-133-18.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Zordrak: i would too if i could avoid... awefull... they spit out a shell script in /tmp that actually does the install... wish you could jsut start with a shell script, would make much more sense =P [11:03] lunch time [11:03] :D [11:03] phrags: you can.. its called "slackware replacement" [11:03] think is, i need these deps to build the package, but i won't need them on the machines it will be installed on, or can't figure out which is needed to build and which is needed to run... [11:04] glwt :) [11:04] ..are we agreed we all hate deps ? [11:04] pprkut: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-rpm-depend.html [11:04] guax, it went in system :) who cares anyway, everyone uses search. [11:04] no - just auto dep resolution :) [11:04] phrags* ^^ [11:04] alisonken1home: yeh? [11:04] acidchild: checking out! [11:04] auto dependencies pull in packages you may not want or need [11:05] awesome :-) [11:05] when compiling, dependencies are needed otherwise you end up recoding common stuff [11:05] Urchlay_ (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] work day over, I'm going home. have fun everyone ;) [11:05] bye slava_dp [11:05] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:06] so is PreReq just what's needed to build, or run? [11:06] ='( [11:06] i'll go hassle ##centos =P [11:06] alisonken1home: 2 or 3 pages on on that link above explains all that. [11:06] depends on where you see prereq at [11:07] requires: [11:07] I don't understand how lilo can tell me about a raid which doesn't exist ='( [11:07] acidchild: yeah - fun stuff [11:07] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:08] i really dislike people who make a joke, get no laughs... then go 'its funny' on the end to re-enforce their ego [11:08] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:08] i feel so dirty... im booting up an Ultra10 [11:08] they're like people who laugh at their own jokes [11:08] no they are worse. [11:08] way way worse. [11:09] Q: What is the difference between a duck? A: One leg is both the same. [11:09] hey now - sun hardware is still good hardware [11:09] it's FUNNY! [11:09] that is funny [11:09] HAHAHA [11:09] Action: Camarade_Tux actually cries [11:09] and they have a slack ported to the sun :) [11:09] Urchlay_ (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:10] print 'Skywise, your momma likes gravy'; sleep(5); print 'its funny...'; sleep(2); look_around_room('5ms') [11:10] Camarade_Tux: you learned you have no balls? :P [11:10] but she does [11:10] good for her. [11:10] :) [11:12] agentc0re: can't install lilo [11:12] did you try the -l option? [11:12] Camarade_Tux: whats wrong? [11:12] alisonken1home: its dirty, its horrible and it makes me feel ill [11:13] just thinking about slice 2 makes me want to vomit [11:14] hmmm - this one doesn't appear to have the raid option as -l [11:14] oh man, you know what really makes you vomit, ginko trees are blooming [11:14] getting "open /tmp/dev.0: no such device", then I add '-b /dev/sda' (I always have to do that) and then get: "Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x0000 (NFS/RAID mirror down ?)" [11:15] the only raid info i give lilo is raid-extra-boot=mbr [11:15] but I don't even have a raid there! [11:15] er mbr-only [11:15] I have a raid but on other disks [11:15] O_O [11:15] and I've unplugged them [11:16] so, last possibility is that it doesn't enjoy a possible mix of 32bit and 64bit [11:16] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Camarade_Tux: pastebin your lilo.conf real quick for me. [11:16] ah - -x option for raid stuff [11:16] agentc0re: impossible right now [11:16] agentc0re: but it doesn't have anything fancy [11:16] does it have an internet connection? [11:17] going to remake an iso and will copy the files [11:17] it's off [11:17] but yeah, won't take long to turn it on [11:17] Camarade_Tux: ah. you can do this, "cat /etc/lilo.conf | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" [11:18] wtf? [11:18] phrags: it's a cli pastebin util. http://sprunge.us/ [11:18] agentc0re: been looking for something like that [11:18] it's pretty neat. [11:18] agentc0re: ah cool! =) [11:18] Zordrak: ya, it's very cool. [11:18] that's nice [11:18] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] if I have scp, I can also copy it ;-) [11:19] agentc0re: though if id have been really bothered id have written a perl script to pipe to pastebin.ca [11:19] Zordrak: lol, that requires work. [11:19] I used a 32bit CD iso but I'm going to make a 64bit one, and root=/dev/sda5, should be better [11:19] i like pb.ca.. simple numbers [11:19] http://github.com/michielvw/pastelling/tree/master <-- script to paste to pastebin.slackadelic.com ;) [11:19] pb.ca doesn't load reliably for me [11:19] or used to not [11:20] i really dont like pb.s.c [11:20] vpaste.net =) [11:20] AndChat- (~AndChat@elkhart.benningtonmarine.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] BP{k}: Master always out shows the student. :P [11:20] not just mixed case letters and numbers.. but a /p and a trailing .html! [11:21] har (~AndChat@166.188.107.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:21] i can remember pastebin.ca/1765334 .. but try remembering and retyping pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/HO3t4659.html [11:21] Nick change: AndChat- -> har [11:21] blame Dominian :> [11:21] I never know how to make the iso >< [11:22] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:22] Action: Zordrak blames Dominian [11:22] what kind of 64-bit are you looking for? [11:22] slackware64? [11:22] yeah, what I'm using [11:22] thing is that I can't manage to boot from usb and I only had a spare *cd* drive, not dvd [11:23] try that [11:23] what's the mole about in slackware console? [11:23] sorry - those are dvd's [11:23] har (~AndChat@elkhart.benningtonmarine.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:23] phrags: its not a mole [11:23] Urchlay_ (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:23] phrags: depending on your kernel version its eithor Tux or Tuz [11:23] I haven't finished with the cd maker yet [11:23] ='( [11:23] har (~AndChat@elkhart.benningtonmarine.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Action: Zordrak wants a 1 letter TLD for pastebin: http://p.b/1 [11:24] numeric.. 1 month retention [11:24] my favourite TLD is still co.ck [11:24] he [11:24] heh [11:25] they are very cagey about giving them out tho.. has to be approved by the emperor of cook islands and a goat sacreficed or something =P [11:25] phrags: i bet a few thousand dollars would shut his yap [11:25] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:26] and a few more goats [11:26] yeh they pricey too, but would totally be worth it for the hilarity =P [11:26] yeah.. im gonna go ahead and disagree.. [11:26] (1000 points for the reference) [11:26] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-pfbkyjbjdadkrwda) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:26] vague as it is [11:27] which ref? [11:27] *BZZZ* [11:27] lumbergh [11:27] ang: 1000pts... 1up [11:28] i've seen that movie too many times [11:28] oh lol [11:28] guess I missed it [11:28] i have seen it in a perfectly insufficient quantity of iterations [11:28] Apollo 13 is on my current loop [11:28] agentc0re: pers.yaxm.org/temp/lilo.conf [11:29] alisonken1home: seen it multi-million times.. read the book multi-million times [11:29] Zordrak: good, so then there is room for more viewings :) [11:29] Urchlay_ (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:29] Favourite movie ever. Favourite book ever. [11:29] Robert Heinlein and Frank Herbert are the only ones I've worn out [11:30] and Piers Anthony [11:30] oh no [11:30] piers used to be good until he just kept writing the same story line over and over again [11:31] depends on which series you read [11:31] its like you can tell when he discovered search and replace [11:31] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] one series i like alot is the mission earth series by l ron hubbard [11:31] Christopher Stasheif had a good series with his Wizard series [11:31] Skywise: g t f o [11:31] its a riot [11:32] you will not stop laughing [11:32] yeh man.. so's Utah [11:32] i'm into Breaking Bad at the moment... it got good [11:32] the whole series confirms for me that scientology was meant to be a joke [11:32] I would like to see the Xanth series made into movies [11:32] goj (~goj@p4FE6E346.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:32] also, bring back FireFly !! [11:32] Skywise, yep :) [11:32] xanth started out great, so did blue adept [11:33] the last one I read was the brown adept [11:33] have you read elfquest? [11:33] Camarade_Tux: you're missing the "boot = /dev/sda" directive. [11:33] oops - actually got to where the spell of reversal was used with the flute rather [11:34] Camarade_Tux: is this a raid setup too? [11:34] heard of it - haven't read it [11:34] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] goj (~goj@p4FE6E346.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] agentc0re: no, it's not raid [11:34] http://www.elfquest.com/gallery/OnlineComics3.html [11:34] agentc0re: where boot=/dev/sda? [11:35] agentc0re: oh, I see [11:35] Camarade_Tux: k, good. put boot = /dev/sda (assuming it's sda) just below append. [11:35] now I see and I don't know why it wasn't there [11:36] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:36] and got a 64 CD to boot [11:36] Camarade_Tux: does lilo -t -v give a passing test run? [11:37] the stephen donaldson series white gold wielder is also very good, very piers like [11:37] rv2733 (rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:38] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:40] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:40] ok, the burn had actually failed, burning again [11:41] do you simulate your burns? [11:41] not that one [11:42] Camarade_Tux: also, i wonder if your append options could be causing the grief as well. /shrug. I don't know much about them but you could also remove them if you continue to have problems to see if lilo will pass then. [11:42] Camarade_Tux: try lowering the burn speed. 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[11:58] no, burnt it and now booting on the cd + root=/dev/sda5 [12:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:01] huh, it booted like I hadn't given a root= arg [12:01] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:02] hmm, because I had given an extra argument on the prompt [12:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:07] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [12:09] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.50.100) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-249-61.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [12:11] goj (~goj@p4FE6E346.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:11] installing lilo like I did the first time: external enclosure [12:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:14] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:15] but it doesn't tell me "Linux added", "LinuxExp added" [12:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-249-61.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:16] and the bitch outside won't stop her music [12:17] Throw water on her [12:18] too far away [12:19] ='( [12:20] snipers [12:20] oh \o/ [12:20] looks like the disc is going to work \o/ [12:20] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:20] and yes, snipers too \o/ [12:20] but I think she's in a dead angle [12:20] corner bullets [12:21] air strike [12:21] and now I can't umount the partition [12:21] hunger strike! [12:21] whats using it [12:21] the chick with the music [12:21] she just wants you to come out and oil her back [12:23] \\o o// \o/ [12:23] Skywise: you should see the weather [12:23] oh, and the music is crappy [12:23] then it must be porn music, you're a shoe in [12:23] bomp chika wow wow [12:23] greenlantern (~aLinux@unaffiliated/alinux) joined ##slackware. [12:24] nah, girly music, sugary, slow, oh, love, oh you left me, oh you're my true love [12:24] thats even moar betterz [12:24] I think fuser will tell you why it is busy [12:24] ilj (~ilj@195.88.15.2) joined ##slackware. [12:24] j0z (~SPH@187.59.144.154) joined ##slackware. [12:24] ilj (~ilj@195.88.15.2) left irc: Changing host [12:24] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:24] j0z (~SPH@187.59.144.154) left irc: Changing host [12:24] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [12:24] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrags' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:25] when she gets all sappy, you can just slide over and save her from the bad man [12:25] was preparing for a bot attack there =P [12:26] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrags' by phrags!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [12:28] hi all, [12:28] greenlantern: Hi. [12:29] im out. ttfn. [12:31] adrenaline: turned out I had left a bind mount [12:31] lol [12:34] !op [12:35] does that usually work fer ya? [12:38] goj (~goj@p4FE6E346.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] i thought newbies always got ops [12:40] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-203653.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:40] phrags: If you are going to put on your badge I want to see some action . :P [12:40] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:40] Action: Skywise sets mode: +o greenlantern [12:40] have fun now [12:41] yea got to love the newbies coming in and asking for an op [12:41] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:41] pew pew! =P [12:41] hello [12:41] off home, cya ugys later o/ [12:41] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:41] alphad64 (~alphad64@rs.aviso.ci) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:42] I just installed wxgtk-2.8.7-i486-2kjz from slapt-get and when I "import wx" in a python shell the module is not found. Must I forgot some pre-installation step ? [12:43] wxgtk has no pyton bindings [12:43] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:44] you need to uninstall wxgtk and install wxpyton [12:44] janemba: you shouldn't be using slapt-get. [12:44] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] yeah make the package yourself http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/wxPython/ [12:44] Especially with linuxpackages enabled. [12:45] thumbs: oh. What should I use ? [12:45] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:45] janemba: sbopkg and slackpkg [12:45] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] g2g [12:47] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] thumbs: thx [12:48] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:14] bitlord (~bitlord@93.87.190.94) left irc: Changing host [13:14] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [13:14] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] nheco (~nheco@189-72-60-146.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:17] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Nick change: Guest15027 -> TheGroove [13:23] guys i add new thermal paste on my laptop cpu....how many hours must i have me laptop on low temps to setup correct the paste? [13:24] thermal paste is not epoxy [13:24] it shouldn't take long - look at the instructions that came with it [13:25] there shouldn't be any need for that at all [13:25] DrHow (~mail@91.140.119.107) joined ##slackware. [13:25] hi [13:25] its a conductive paste, the only real issue is putting it on too thick, but it doesn't need to set [13:25] my sis forgot the pass of her vista laptop [13:25] how can i remove it or retrieve it? [13:26] #vista might know [13:26] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:26] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:26] Download a program called locksmith [13:26] and allowing bubbles to form in the paste - air is a thermal insulator [13:26] or call or locksmith [13:27] a locksmith* [13:27] ask the botnet for your machine password [13:27] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:28] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:28] adrenaline windows tells me to get ntpassword [13:28] program [13:28] you're screwd [13:29] what khappen ? [13:29] DrHow: that's not a Slackware question, and you're not a regular here, so you don't get a free pass with it. [13:29] I don't know about that one, but locksmith will work ntpassword will probably work too [13:29] from the last 5 sentences I'm assuming someone lost the keys to their house which is being attacked by a botnet [13:30] nice assumption [13:30] What can we do to defend ourselves from a botnet? [13:30] hire ninjas [13:31] What about a ninja shell script? [13:31] run slackware [13:31] xsamurai: I think space ninjas would be better suited for this [13:31] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Kung Fu Panda FTW [13:31] or space firemen [13:31] put the matrix wallpaper on an endless loop [13:31] that usually stops most hackers [13:32] stealthy [13:32] Skywise: last I recall you can't reall set stuff on fire in space easily [13:32] thats one of the reasons its hard to be a space fireman [13:33] Similarly why it's even harder to be a space arsonist [13:33] stuff in space on fire tends to be in reentry or radioactive [13:34] if fires cant exist in space, then it would be easy to be a space fireman [13:34] xsamurai: what about fires in things in space? [13:34] but that would make any fires that did exist even worse then we thought [13:35] NaCl: hmmm depends on the things and if any sexy aliens are aboard this "thing" [13:35] heh [13:35] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:35] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn-128.95-102-94.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:35] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:35] failing that, you could always open up emacs and do M-x extinguish-fire [13:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [13:36] never liked emacs [13:36] emacs.... [13:37] it was used by my archrival in my early linux learning days [13:37] whatever he used , I would use the opposite [13:37] redhat, slackware | emacs , vim etc etc [13:37] I used vim very often until recently. [13:37] i use pico [13:37] haha [13:37] Skywise: you might as well use nano [13:38] nano does crazy screen updates when i use it [13:38] Action: NaCl shrugs [13:38] My text editor is taking up 16 MB of ram! (oh noes!) [13:38] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [13:38] DrHow (mail@91.140.119.107) left ##slackware. [13:38] yeah i've tried both xterm and ansi terminal types and the cursor will be off 1 space or line [13:39] it makes it really hard to know where the curor actually is [13:39] works for me [13:39] (in konsole) [13:39] yeah, i use openssh [13:39] but either way, pico gets the job done for me [13:40] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [13:45] oslo_ (~andre_@212.183.140.36) joined ##slackware. [13:46] phrags you there ? [13:47] error_developer_ (~barby@nat65.mia.three.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:48] Skywise: very well [13:48] Skywise: do much source code editing? [13:48] yeah, syntax highlighting bores me [13:50] it makes it so much easier to read [13:50] yea but then wheres the fun in matching parentheisis and quotes [13:53] how do you regex matching and yanking lines or blocks , moving blocks etc etc [13:53] I think I would die if I had to use pico [13:53] ctrl-^ [13:54] I'm sure the options exist [13:54] ctrk-k, ctrl-u [13:54] need syntax highlighting or my brain breaks [13:54] phrag: agreed [13:54] ctrl-^ is mark [13:54] k is cut, u is paste, w is search and replace [13:54] thats all i need [13:55] my laptop's screen is too small. :( [13:55] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-178-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [13:55] i grew up before there was syntax highlighting [13:55] i use linebreaks instead [13:55] how? [13:55] whitespace is cheap, why its free [13:56] indenting [13:56] what are you coding cobol [13:56] if had too i could [13:56] but its mostly php [13:56] Skywise: last I checked that is what I do most of the time [13:56] jeesmus line breaks [13:56] And the syntax highlighting helps figure out typos and whatnot [13:57] php doesn't care about returns and tabs [13:57] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.120.29) joined ##slackware. [13:57] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.120.29) left irc: Changing host [13:57] rizitis_ (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [13:57] you don't even have to continue lines [13:57] so its easy to have each parameter on a line with a comment [13:58] if you can't manage that, colors won't help alot more [13:58] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Disconnected by services [13:58] Nick change: rizitis_ -> rizitis [13:58] IIRC you can do that in C too [13:58] no, you have to \ [13:58] for a continue on next line [13:59] Action: NaCl meant something else, but whatever [13:59] sql is the same [14:00] Action: NaCl does approximately zero web progrmming [14:00] rhisa (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Hey folks. [14:00] it won't hurt ya [14:00] hi [14:01] Thought this would be interesting. I got a USB to IDE adapter. Now I plug it in. My hard drive spins, I feel it but.. I feel the clicking too. I can't hear the clicking cuase I"m deaf. [14:01] i develop my apps exclusively on the web now [14:01] So... not sure where else to go now. [14:01] How do I mount this thing? :) It should show up as usb methinks. [14:01] not having to install anything or keep files straight on a client pc, is so much easier way to run a railroad [14:01] rhisa: you have checked dmesg for errors relating to the detection/operation of the drive? [14:01] rhisa: maybe it requires some power adapter [14:01] rhisa: clicking usually means dead drive [14:02] not to him [14:02] I plugged in power too of course. :) That's why it's spinning. [14:02] dmesg | grep sd [14:02] rhisa: how do you detect clicking if you are deaf? [14:02] he's feeling it spin... [14:02] pupit: he just said he feels it. [14:02] will show the newly detected drive [14:02] Yep. [14:02] Let me pastebin dmesg results. [14:02] oh [14:02] This looks like bad news. [14:03] rhisa: if you feel the click it's almost guaranteed to be bad news. [14:03] have you tried fdisk -l? [14:03] rhisa: like... time to take the drive apart and carefully put the platters into another chassis type bad news. [14:03] Yeah of course I tried fdisk -l. Didn't do dmesg now. [14:03] I am not afraid of bad news about ata. I will give it proper burial. :) [14:04] It served me very well. I even gave it a name. [14:04] try sticking it in a fridge overnight [14:04] rhisa: can i pm you? [14:04] Skywise: you serious ? [14:04] yeah [14:04] .... [14:04] Skywise is close to right - it does work. BUT be very careful about condensation levels. [14:04] it can sometimes revive a drive [14:05] yeah i don't think putting them in a bag helps tho [14:05] Go for it pupit. [14:05] Sec let me edit pastebin a bit. [14:05] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Skywise: iirc (and I easily could be wrong) a deep freeze works best. [14:05] never heard that one before , i've seen tons of clicking drives and leaving them off and sitting in a cold data center never brought them back to life [14:05] http://pastebin.com/HJjA9pss [14:05] Here it is. [14:05] thats not cold enough [14:05] xsamurai: fridge is incorrect, it should be freezer. you want like -10C or more [14:06] I've heard of the freezer one. [14:06] it needs to be freezing [14:06] Exactly eviljames. :) [14:06] is there anyway to test if swap is working .....ive done swapoff and swapon without errors but top is only showing total amount used and showing nothing used ? [14:06] rhisa: You're in bad shape, amigo. [14:06] oh i was thinking freezer [14:06] but i did say fridge [14:06] eviljames, did you see it? [14:06] despiron (~despiron@187.64.98.14) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [14:06] oslo_, you'll see it in free [14:06] rhisa: Yeah, I checked. I hope there's no crucial data on the drive, you'll have a painful weekend ahead of you... [14:07] I do but I have backup copies. [14:07] Action: rhisa sighs a relief. [14:07] <:) I will keep it for keepsake. [14:07] It served me very well. [14:07] Like 5+ years. [14:07] yeah it shows the amount is should have ... Skywise ....ive enctryed swap ...since then it doesnt seem to use any swap [14:08] Camarade_Tux: get lilo working? [14:08] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [14:08] oslo_, did you use swapon afterwards? [14:08] Wait, anyone else beside eviljames look at it? [14:09] *crickets* [14:09] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Haha. I'll just unplug it and try something else. [14:09] i booted up and then used top ..which showed the amount i have ..but it didnt show any being used so i tried swapoff and the turned it back on [14:09] when i turned it off top showed zero for swap [14:10] rhisa: ah... might wanna throw it in the freezer for a day or half a day and then plug it in. if it works, grab your data quickly. :D [14:10] but have you put a load on the machine to consume memory? [14:10] so it's showing as though it's there but doesnt seem to use it [14:10] I don't need to, already have copies. [14:10] yeah i ran glxgears 4-5 times [14:10] i dont have much memory so it should start using some [14:12] im sure someone here can give you a little C program to eat up all your memory in sequential order [14:12] yeah, lets just hope its not malicious [14:13] How can I set to follow dmesg? [14:14] oslo_: cat /proc/swaps [14:14] do you mean tail | dmesg ? [14:14] YES! [14:14] Thank you. [14:14] dmesg | tail # though [14:14] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Changing host [14:14] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [14:14] tail -f [14:14] /dev/mapper/cryptvg-swap trhodes [14:15] oslo_: does it show any used ? [14:15] no, you have to either watch dmesg, or change the log level and tail the syslog [14:15] none used [14:16] tail -f <(dmesg) # seems to work for me [14:16] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:16] usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 4 I want to get it to connect again. [14:16] What a headache. [14:16] its a dmesg option, or you maybe you can tail /proc/kmsg [14:16] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:16] oh, Skywise, i gotcha [14:17] that only appeared to work ;) [14:17] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:20] think ill reinstall and try again see if i made a mistake along the way :( [14:20] well maybe you need to compile something while running it [14:21] yeah [14:21] you hit swap if you start x? [14:22] i didnt check that [14:22] ill try that now [14:22] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:22] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] tmpfs might be an easy way to get something swapping [14:22] It's stuck at usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 4, aaaaahhh. ;_; I guess I'll have to reboot the pc? Anyone have any idea? [14:23] its not touching swap on startx [14:23] cant be using it ...it does see it though ,the correct amount i setup [14:25] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:25] how do i test it with tmpfs trhodes ? [14:25] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:25] rhisa: see what throdes wrote regarding dmesg, i ended up writing the command backwards =P [14:25] I know it tells me what's up. [14:26] oslo_: how much memory do you have and what does free show you when you run x [14:26] rhisa: fwiw, I don't really bother troubleshooting drives anymore. 1TB is < $100. If it clicks, toss it and grab a new one. [14:26] i used same amount as the howto ...it isnt double the amount i have ...its 1gb [14:27] shows nothing being used when i startx [14:27] Oh I am not. [14:27] I am just looking through these pata drives I have. [14:27] I got like 20 of them. [14:27] lol [14:28] Some of them I found. I'm curious as to what people kept in these drives. <:) [14:28] oslo_: sorry, I might've missed this above, but you have how much ram + 1gb swap? [14:28] maybe you will be able to build an hdd brick house when you retire [14:28] oslo_: swap will not be used until you use up your memory space [14:28] Haha. [14:29] rhisa: use it as key chain [14:29] i have 756 meg ...i normally double it with swap ..but i went with the howto ...1gb [14:29] oslo_: ok, and what do you have going on that's memory intense? kde4 + firefox + virutalbox + netbeans ought to hit swap. [14:30] Heavy! [14:30] i didnt install kde [14:30] i ran glxgear 4-5 time and it started lagging ..like the mouse moving across the screen [14:31] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:31] oslo_: open up firefox and open as many tabs as possible [14:31] oslo_: I didn't think glxgears was particularly ram intensive... [14:31] just write a script whats up with opening apps [14:31] i don't see lags here until i open up like the 90th or so tab, so i keep firefox at 85 tabs max [14:31] i thought glxgears was more gfx intensive [14:31] xsamurai: easy enough to go to wikipedia and get like 100 :P [14:32] ok i try a few programs see what happens [14:32] maybe a spreadsheet or two if you have any [14:32] you could even do that from a terminal, just for x in {1..100} do firefox ; done [14:32] mancha 85, I expected more from you [14:33] i went to nearly the full amount probably 100 meg below and no swap used [14:33] oslo_: open up several pdfs? [14:34] i didnt try that [14:35] no i must have missed something out on howto [14:35] anything else ?, we should recommend movies as well [14:35] watch all 6 discs of star wars at the same time [14:35] that will probably make the poor thing thrash [14:36] rhisa (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rhisa [14:36] turn on your speakers really loud and run in a circle, wth kind of help is this [14:36] hmm, i wonder why slack initialises /dev/cryptvg/root for / and /dev/mapper/cryptvg-home for /home [14:37] when i've specified them as /dev/cryptvg/* in fstab [14:37] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [14:37] ask rworkman, maybe [14:37] odd , i have similar setup in debin /dev/vgname/lvname [14:37] only one root fs maybe ? [14:38] no, i have 3 lv, root, home and swap [14:38] works fine, just seems strange to use /dev/mapper/bleh for one and /dev/cryptvg/bleh for the other [14:38] when they are defined as /dev/cryptvg/bleh in fstab [14:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:39] yeah [14:39] perhaps it's the way lilo initialises it [14:39] they are both just symlinks to /dev/dm-N [14:41] phrag, could my problem be /dev/cryptvg/swap and /dev/hda1 swap ? when i first booted up it have both working [14:41] oslo_: what was your problem again? [14:41] well it looks like swap is showing but it's not getting used [14:41] oslo_: are they the same device? or 2 different swap partitions [14:42] no i setup for cryptswap but slack must have seen my other old partition for swap [14:42] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:42] and put both in fstab [14:43] yeh that's could of confused it, or you didnt set just the /dev/cryptvg/swap [14:43] i comented it out and rebooted it but still not working [14:43] probably didnt phrag [14:43] i must have made a mistake along the way [14:44] /dev/mapper/cryptvg-home swap swap defaults 0 0 [14:44] meh, that's not right lol [14:44] /dev/cryptvg/swap [14:44] /dev/cryptvg/home [14:44] what? [14:44] yeah i got same for swap [14:45] */swap too [14:45] I see we still continue LUKS-day 2010, nice :) [14:45] haha [14:45] tis the season [14:45] paste your mtab oslo_ [14:45] oslo_: ok, so swapon /dev/cryptvg/swap [14:45] free -m [14:46] used none [14:46] well it's not going to get used much [14:46] does free show it available ? [14:47] 1048568 [14:47] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:47] available [14:48] just to make extra sure your using the right swap part.. swapoff -a && free -m && swapon /dev/cryptvg/swap && free -m || echo FAIL; [14:48] phrag: agreed. It's April again, month of the f.... [14:50] shows swap with 0 amount and then swap with 1023meg [14:50] free [14:50] sweet =) [14:50] it's working then [14:51] ill have to install kde ...it normally uses swap with kde [14:52] yeah just seens strange it mormally uses swap more often [14:52] change swapiness ? [14:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:52] dont know what you mean ? [14:54] eq time bbib [14:54] ill reinstall and give it the correct amount of swap ...and install kde [14:54] correct is double right ? ...thats what ive been doing [14:54] Traveler (~traveler@cpe-173-169-225-198.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] if you are using lvm you can resize it without reinstalling [14:55] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-79.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@cpe-74-71-*-*.twcny.res.rr.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:55] Grifulkin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: (Ah, our channel spammer, surferdude/spliff. you're banned. [14:55] yeah xsamurai [14:55] ive never used lvm before [14:56] time to read up [14:56] yeah i will [14:57] if i had another install of slack on another partition can i mount this lvm partition ? [14:58] like a seperate install [14:58] yes [14:59] chaosparser (~chaospars@cpe-173-169-225-198.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] ok ..ill have a read [15:00] Hello all. I have a bcm5754 ethernet card. I have the tg3 module loaded, and the device shows up with ifconfig -a... how do I make it actually work? [15:01] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-nsowwturckfyxueg) left irc: Quit: Page closed [15:03] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:04] ely_cast (~Ely_cast@187-25-183-17.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:04] ely_cast (Ely_cast@187-25-183-17.3g.claro.net.br) left ##slackware (""). [15:05] ely_cast (~Ely_cast@187-25-183-17.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:05] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:05] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:08] nvision_ (~nvision@e179133163.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:09] ifconfig devicename up [15:09] dhcpcd -d devicename [15:10] or setup /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [15:10] ooh nice.. irssi has tab completion on local directory tree =) [15:11] doesn't work here :/ [15:11] what version of irssi are you using? [15:12] irssi 0.8.14 (20090728 1938 [15:12] always worked [15:12] nvision (~nvision@g225054027.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:12] never noticed before, just automatically hit tab and it worked =P [15:12] has to be in the right context [15:12] ie, you can't start with / and have it tab complete [15:13] i love finding treats! that's like my third today.. sudo !!, !_ and now this! what a treat =P [15:13] thanks for the tip trhodes [15:13] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:13] that goes without saying. starting with / it assumes its an irssi command [15:14] (which tab completes as well) [15:14] 4th.. !bleh:p [15:14] heh [15:16] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:18] why didn't this work,,, chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd && !_ [15:18] -su: !_: event not found [15:18] where's it getting the -su from ? [15:19] "!" things are expanded right there on that line, before the command is actually evaluated [15:19] because you are root by using 'su' ? [15:20] i am using su - [15:20] so perhaps it's using my users history [15:21] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:21] if you add "start" after? [15:21] same [15:22] although i did omit that =P [15:22] try $_ instead of !_ [15:22] must meditate on bash fu [15:23] lol, that ran my last command, which was vim rc.sshd =P [15:23] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [15:23] no wait.. [15:23] oh shit, i tested that in zsh [15:24] oh that worked great.. thanks trhodes 8o) [15:24] yw, i didn't test it very well though ;) [15:24] don't think i'll be using that on any 'live' boxes until i've mastered it tho =P [15:27] qneo (knao@adsl-dyn-128.95-102-94.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [15:28] nheco (~nheco@189-72-60-146.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:30] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] what is the best way to manage logrotate and log files with the chattr +a attribute set? [15:32] wario, i think you'll have to turn it off then back on [15:32] that is what I was thinking. so i'm guessing cron script would be the best method ay. [15:33] yeh, -a it on prerotate and +a it on postrotate would be my solution [15:33] I just was concerned about the security of having a script that runs chattr [15:33] aveng3r (~avenger@li115-114.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] okay [15:34] um, that script is already running as root, if you fear logrotate fear it all [15:34] yeah hehe [15:34] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] wario, if you're overly concerned about bad guys removing their tracks from teh logs, yopu should look into better logging setups. distributed logging for one [15:37] well, i'm taking the first steps now. thanks for the advice [15:37] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:37] what do you suggest for that? [15:38] there';s syslog-ng and rlog, heard of either? [15:38] mesoDann (~dann@204.154.43.246) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:38] yes [15:38] I can man them to find out more i suppose [15:39] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) left irc: Changing host [15:39] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [15:39] s/rlog/rsyslog? [15:39] i know of syslog-ng [15:39] will iptables drop packets before tcpdump can view them? [15:40] tcpdump is in userlan [15:40] +s [15:40] +d, ack [15:40] sorry i dont follow [15:42] mancha: logrotate prerotate option sounds like a better option than cron to avoid timing problems, someone just suggested. [15:42] postrotate and prerotate [15:43] yes, packet is never seen by pcap [15:43] wario, didn't i suggest prerotate/postrotate? [15:43] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:44] mancha: yes. didn't see that. :) [15:44] well don't blame me for your blindness [15:44] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:44] i said -a on prerortate and +a on postrotate [15:44] i wasn't placing blame. ;) [15:44] heh [15:44] let me have some fun by picking on you at least! [15:44] damnit! [15:44] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:44] :D [15:45] okay, go for it [15:46] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:46] mancha: do you often go unheard and this is why you are malformed? [15:46] wario, if you don't want to move to the stronger syslog daemons, syslog (vanilla) does network logging [15:47] so you have a central log server that logs and routinely backs up, then if box a is compromised they would have to compromise box b too to remove the logs [15:47] and box b can be set to only have the syslog port open...etc. [15:47] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [15:48] the reason i mention this is, usully those log files you'redealing with are only writable by root, so if you're chattr'ing them it seems odd since root can unchattr, knowdamean? [15:48] mancha: that sounds like a good idea though I have one main server that i'm using so no real need for that i don't think. [15:48] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] i guess the question is what benefit do you get from +a ? [15:49] mancha: yes, i'm reading this article; http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/299241-becoming-a-qlinux-security-artistq- [15:49] hoping that a bad guy won't know about the chattr command? [15:49] i have all my servers relay to a central location so i only have to analyze 1 log and if a machine is compromised i'll have an external copy of the event [15:49] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Imma outta here [15:50] Sky, committing the logs to write only media is also cool [15:50] syslog also has a remote logging conifguration option [15:50] it depends on if you really wanna keep them or not [15:50] i only keep logs for a year [15:51] a lot of otherwise competent sysadmins don't know about chattr, so it's plausible that an attacker might not know it [15:51] not so much an option, instead of a file you simply use a network addy, @192.168.69.69 or summitz [15:51] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:51] option, parameter, tomato tomahto [15:51] potato pothead [15:52] mr potato head is a rastafarian? [15:52] yah mon [15:52] wario, one thing i must warn you about, out of the million artciles on seurity linux-wise, maybe 100 are actually written by people with some intelligence :) [15:53] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] heh [15:53] one of the biggest dangers in this stuff is a sense of false security [15:54] all of suddent by some supposed security measure you feel like you're safe and don't worry, meanwhile someone with a .cn or similar rips you a new a**hole [15:54] i focus on recovery more then prevention [15:54] well, i have backup methods already in place. [15:55] it an ever escalating cat and mouse game, you gotta anticipate to lose sometimes and then what would you do [15:55] s/it/its [15:55] mancha: actually, skiddies who take advantage of some 0-day exploit probably wouldn't know about chattr [15:56] i like the term skiddies, makes me think of kids who are skidmarks on the underware of life [15:56] i dunno, i don't think an "underestimate your opponent" is a good policy when dealing with security [15:56] i always assume that the black hat knows at least as much as i do [15:57] yeah you could easily delude yourself into thinking you're impregnable [15:57] a lot of otherwise competent sysadmins don't know about chattr, so it's plausible that an attacker might not know it << so true :D [15:57] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:58] now we have a channel of noobs who know about it thogh [15:58] now we've done it [15:58] well, i know no system is truly safe though I'd like to do it the right way first [15:58] the innernets are sunk now [15:58] and they'llgrow up to be sysadmins who know and hey'll tell their friend sysadmins who willalso know [15:58] the fuckin secret's out! [15:58] someone trigger the self destruct [15:58] hit the red button! [15:58] what's all the chattr about ? [15:59] ok, that's my cue to return to boring shit: the bad pun :P [15:59] lol [15:59] i thought it was funny. [15:59] we'll be safe as long as they don't learn about the man command [15:59] doh! [16:00] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [16:00] then again i like Mr. Potatoe Head [16:00] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:00] that one belongs to dan quayle [16:00] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [16:01] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:03] well, this brings up a good question actually. who would target a small system like mine? [16:04] i don't think systems are target with intent as more as they're just going thru ipranges and try bruteforce attacks [16:04] right [16:04] yeah they just want to transform yourself into a zombie [16:05] but i'm not letting them compromise my system without a hosting contract first [16:05] ^^ [16:06] well, if you know your main enemy you can be better suited to fend them off is my thinking. [16:06] yeah, but microsoft as a couple of class a addresses [16:07] has a [16:07] johndee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:07] i had to block the whole bing subnet at my external ring cause they were dossing my servers [16:08] they were trying to index every page on my cluster every 20 secs [16:08] damn [16:08] cus they are #1! [16:08] ^^ [16:09] at your expense of course [16:09] and if you look at their page about this they say you can use robots.txt to manage them, but they ignore it [16:10] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:10] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.194) joined ##slackware. [16:11] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Kenjiro (kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware. [16:21] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Quit: curiosity kill the kat [16:24] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving for the day [16:24] Nick change: dormant_kernel -> mach_kernel [16:26] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:36] stuartSan: that is for basically setting the hostname and setting up your wired ethernet. to change host name edit /etc/HOSTNAME [16:37] wario: i can't seem to get internet connection even tho i'm on a router and i did ifconfig eth1 up (because my network card is PCI on eth1) [16:37] stuartSan: it is wired or wireless? [16:37] ely_cast (~Ely_cast@187-25-183-17.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:37] wired [16:38] what is on eth0? [16:38] eth0 is normally the main wired interface [16:38] my motherboard onboard network card, which got fried with lightning [16:38] stuartSan: ifconfig eth1 up [16:38] yup [16:38] dhcpcd eth1 [16:38] whats dhcpcd [16:39] man dhcpcd [16:39] gets you and ip address from the router [16:39] ok imma go upstairs to my desktop now [16:39] i'm imagining you walk up the stairs now [16:40] lol [16:41] Nick change: Guest45471 -> fred [16:41] fred (~fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) left irc: Changing host [16:41] fred (~fred@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [16:44] agentc0re: yeah, lilo working [16:44] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.50.100) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.53.40) joined ##slackware. [16:45] ok cool ifconfig eth0 up and dhcpcd eth0 worked [16:45] but how do i make that automatic on boot? [16:46] agentc0re: the thing I did was to put the drive in an external enclosure and connect it to my laptop, that was *MUCH* for comfortable than doing on the other computer [16:46] stuart_: normally you use the network manager in kde though you can run pkgtool and select the network setup if you would like [16:46] agentc0re: but the change you mentionned indeed solved another problem I had [16:47] wario, how do i do that with network manager [16:48] stuartSan (~stuartSan@124.13.53.40) left irc: [16:48] stuart_: i do not use kde though now that I think about it network manager was removed from slackware due to a bug. it would probably be easiest to install the wicd from /extra [16:49] in the slackware repository [16:49] wario: no, NM was never in slackware [16:49] ah [16:49] wario: it needs polkit and friends [16:49] i see [16:49] And in the beginning, it didn't work in slack to begin with [16:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:50] wario, and how would i do that [16:50] stuart_: the best method would be slackpkg [16:51] edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and uncomment on of the repositories; either 13 or -current if you are on -current [16:51] then slackpkg update [16:51] slackpkg install wicd [16:52] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. 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[16:56] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@cpe-74-71-*-*.twcny.res.rr.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:56] aveng3r (~avenger@li115-114.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:57] it won't connect [16:57] it's a pcmcia orinoco card [16:57] okay now that i have network settled, can anyone explain to me why the girls you treat like shit end up dying for you and the girls you really want just won't give you the time [16:57] it's recognized, it seems to be scanning, but no dive [16:57] *dice [16:58] stuart_: join #dating [16:58] what? [16:58] haha anyway where do i put the flashplayer.so, /usr/lib/firefox? [16:58] mach_kernel: do you have mac address filtering enabled? [16:58] stuart_: [16:58] the program gives these messages [16:59] stuart_: ... plugins/ [16:59] stuart_: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or ~/.mozilla/plugins [16:59] mach_kernel: i mean in your router [16:59] ioctl[somethingorother]: Input/Output error [16:59] wario nope [16:59] or /usr/lib/firefox/plugins or ~/.firefox/plugins [16:59] and then i keep getting a bunch of [16:59] CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS [16:59] card's blinking as it would be scanning [17:00] because it *is* scanning [17:00] hm, i moved it to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and it still doesn't work? [17:00] stuart_: install it from SBo [17:00] mach_kernel: did you use wpa_passphrase ? [17:00] mach_kernel: why not use wicd? [17:00] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:01] stuart_, you need to restart FF to take effect [17:01] stuart_: did you restart firefox and check about:plugins? [17:01] thrice`, restarted [17:01] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:01] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:01] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:01] whoops [17:01] jimi (~jimi@danix.eaerich.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-229.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:01] stuart_: as your user mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins then move the libflashplayer.so to there [17:01] sitwon, so if about:plugins doesn't show flash, what do i do? [17:01] don't have it on this install, wicd [17:02] mach_kernel: ? [17:02] i don't have wicd installed [17:02] I guess it's still in /extra? [17:02] wpa_passphrase will generate the correct key to put in your wpa supplicant conf file [17:02] i guess you're right, install time [17:02] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [17:02] wario yeah did all that already [17:03] stuart_: are you sure you have the right .so? [17:03] if it's the wrong arch it won't load [17:03] sitwon, okay nvm i moved it to /usr/lib/mozilla instead of firefox [17:03] now how do i install nvidia drivers [17:04] mach_kernel: i'd try wicd like sitwon said. see if you still get an error [17:04] download the nvidia drivers [17:04] i will [17:04] installing now [17:04] stuart_ the nvidia drivers usually install with no problem whatsoever :D [17:04] blaines_ (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] wicd is MUCH easier than working w/ wpa_supplicant by hand [17:04] blaines_ (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Excess Flood [17:04] though good to know in a pinch [17:04] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:04] how do i run the nvidia .run files, sh file.run? [17:05] yes [17:05] since it comes with slackware and wicd doesn't by default [17:05] chmod +x yourfilenamehere [17:05] :) [17:05] yeah [17:05] i always like struggling with things [17:05] stuart_: make sure to get the latest beta nvidia driver [17:05] if on current [17:05] wario: wicd has been in /extra since... 12.1 or 12.2 [17:05] okay and what file do i edit to start linux in init 4 again? [17:05] instead of init3 in slax [17:06] edit the default runlevel in /etc/inittab [17:06] sry haven't been slaxing in a while, kinda lost it all [17:06] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [17:06] stillborn: it doesn't come with slackware by default and if you have no connection what good does it do sitting in extra on some repository some where? [17:06] trhodes, thanks [17:06] sitwon: ^ [17:06] wario you don't know what i did to get slackware running on this box :P [17:06] wario: /extra on the install media... [17:06] ^ [17:07] but literally had to dos boot it off of a usb hdd [17:07] does slackware 13 full install come with a default bittorrent clietn [17:07] sitwon: okay. still wpa_supplicant is good to know. [17:07] stuart_: yw, and yes, in extra/ [17:07] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.53.40) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.18.99.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:08] wario: if you're a wifi h4x0r (I'm not admitting to anything, btw) but for an end user it's just a pain in the ass [17:08] aircrack is awesome :D [17:08] although wpa is hard to do [17:08] airdrop-ng ftw [17:08] hehe [17:08] not that we'd know or anything ;) [17:09] man wpa_supplicant gave me all the info I needed. not sure what haxoring was involved with that [17:09] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:10] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:10] wario: what I mean is that there is no reason to go through the hassle of doing it by hand unless you're doing something specific that wouldn't be supported by a normal network manager like wicd [17:10] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:11] sitwon: i had to use it because no X and wicd-curses was failing me. so it was well worth knowing [17:12] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] wario: wicd-curses failed? [17:12] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.53.40) joined ##slackware. [17:12] uh [17:12] yes [17:12] how do i change my clock time [17:12] wario: how? [17:12] wicd-curses failed for me too on -13.0 [17:12] define "failed" [17:12] stuart_: hardware clock ? [17:12] it wouldn't start, threw some python error [17:12] and what file do i edit to make sure linux uses nvidia drivers instead of onboard [17:13] if the connection failed, that is not the fault of wicd-curses, but wicd itself [17:13] erm [17:13] xorg.conf [17:13] NaCl: it was pythong [17:13] what now? [17:13] i always! make that typo wtf [17:13] mach_kernel, where's xorg.conf again [17:13] NaCl: the gtk client worked fine, but the curses client didn't start [17:13] sitwon: didn't start? [17:14] NaCl: it immediately threw a python error [17:14] stuart_: google.com [17:14] sitwon: can you reproduce it now and pastebin it? [17:14] NaCl: not anymore, I'm on -current now [17:14] sitwon: let me guess. It works now, right? [17:14] wait, I might have a Slack13 vm [17:14] NaCl you're deadly split :P [17:14] NaCl: yea it works in -current [17:15] ugh i accidentally deleted my taskbar running programs [17:15] Action: NaCl blames old urwid [17:15] NaCl: python was not linked correctly and PYTHONPATH needed to be set manually [17:15] how do i bring it back [17:15] wario: also not my problem. :P [17:15] Action: wario didn't blame you. [17:16] :) [17:16] ...this vm takes a while to boot up... [17:17] acidchild: whats on your mind? [17:18] ...KDE is ssslllooowwww [17:18] wario it's saying that it's currently obtaining an ip address [17:18] new kde makes me want to vomit [17:19] wario: very well. [17:19] sitwon: anyway, there is nothing wrong with learning how to do something from the base level. if anything it gives a person insight onto how everything works. [17:19] I just wanted to know what the problem was, notably if it was a bug on my end. :P [17:20] wario: never anything wrong with learning, just no point in subjecting yourself to a unneccessary hassles when you just want to get a conenction and download some pr0n [17:20] says its unable to get an ip address [17:20] NaCl: heh, nah. i always stay with -current so don't know the specific time though it was when they switched from python 2.5 to 2.6 iirc [17:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:21] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [17:21] rhisa (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Hey folks. [17:21] mach_kernel: just want to be sure there isn't any mac address filter in your router correct? [17:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Can I get help again regarding the pata hard drive connected by usb? I am using http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156102&cm_re=bytecc_usb_adapter-_-12-156-102-_-Product [17:21] It doesn't come with instruction and google isn't helping. So I plug it in, I feel it, no clicking. So it feels like it's working but I dunno what's up. [17:21] woah, weird [17:22] nvision_ (~nvision@e179133163.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:22] hub__ (~nvision@g225048207.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:22] what the heck are you looking for, rhisa ? [17:22] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:22] Trying to get my pata hard drive to work. :) [17:23] rhisa: does fdisk -l show it? [17:23] NaCl: So I had this clean 13.0 install in VBox. I installed wicd from the package on the DVD and ran wicd-curses and got the error. Then I started up X so I could cut/paste into pastebin and now it works fine. [17:23] NaCl: is it possible it has something to do with running KDE? [17:23] right, that was my problem. ;) no X though. [17:23] wario, no. [17:24] rhisa: that device connects via usb? [17:24] vhann_ (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Yes. [17:24] what does lsusb show? [17:25] Good command, I forgot about that. [17:25] I don't see bytec or anything like that anywhere. [17:25] Hm.. [17:25] it may not show as that [17:25] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:25] sitwon: doubtful [17:25] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] unplug it and run lsusb then plug it in, run lsusb and look for changes [17:26] rhisa: ^ [17:27] wario this thing is killing me [17:27] tried all the types of wpa on my router and no dive [17:27] *dice [17:27] ffs [17:27] mach_kernel: have you tried disabling wpa and connecting without security enabled? [17:27] wario, no change. [17:27] rhisa: you should have googled [17:28] damn it, now I can't reproduce it [17:28] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-178-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:28] jg71, I just said Id id. [17:28] wario it connects to the unsecured network next dore [17:28] not sure how that works, but it did happen [17:28] rhisa: yes. you suck at it :) [17:28] So help me out at it. [17:28] mach_kernel: well that is good at least. are you sure the device even supports wpa? [17:29] it should, shouldn't it? [17:29] watch dmesg when you plug your usb-pata hdd in. if nothing shows up there, yar fucked. [17:29] orinoco gold card [17:29] Already watched that. [17:29] So ALL of my pata drives are fucked, even the relatively new ones? I doubt it. [17:29] not the drives, you. [17:29] says here that there's a windows driver with wpa-psk support [17:30] oh well. So what do I Do? [17:30] try another usb case [17:30] rhisa: search google for your device model/id and linux [17:30] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] I just did. [17:30] does slackware come with a default office .doc viewer [17:30] and it said ask in #slackware? [17:30] when i run netconfig ,i'm a little confused between hostname & domain name ... for the 1st one, ... i just want to have paissad.net when i enter --> hostname <-- from command line [17:31] paissad: edit /etc/HOSTNAME [17:31] when i run netconfig, i 1st enter paissad & then paissad.net ...but hostname command returns only paissad [17:31] and make it whatever you want [17:32] it will only return paissad because the .net is not your hostname [17:32] ah ok [17:32] aha! [17:32] i thought that the hostname was paissad.net [17:32] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:33] paissad: you could get it to say the if you really want to though it's not in reality [17:33] i got it now :) [17:33] dot dot dot [17:33] Bah. [17:33] This is harder than I thought if you guys don't know. [17:34] rhisa: wtf was the google result? [17:34] you are saying there is nothing mentioned anywhere about that device under linux? [17:35] have you tried a livecd? [17:35] there are many things you can try first [17:35] Hm, maybe you are confused on what I'm trying to ask. [17:35] Correction to earlier link: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156101 [17:35] The earlier link = SATA, this one is PATA. [17:35] hm what's the shortcut to change between workspaces in slack cos ctrl+alt+arrow doesn't work [17:35] rhisa: it's a PATA drive connected via USB? [17:36] Yep vastina. [17:36] and you didn't find it under lsusb? [17:36] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] is it self powered? [17:37] NaCl: Here it is -> http://pastebin.com/8yiXUTwB [17:37] iow, more importantly, has it worked before? ever? on this planet? rhisa to the information desk, pls [17:37] stuart_: that is a desktop environment configuration not slackware. [17:37] rhisa: i can't help you if you don't respond [17:38] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] vastina, no it has its own power supply. And didn't find it under lsusb. [17:38] anyone here administrating a statewide lug in their area? [17:38] jg71, yes. [17:38] rhisa: so it's self powered [17:38] Erm I misunderstood, sorry. [17:38] sitwon: you have to first run wicd as root [17:39] did you try plugging it into another usb receptacle? [17:39] before you can connect to it with wicd-curses [17:39] does it work from another operating system? [17:39] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:39] in short, are you confident the hardware is operational [17:39] vastina, I tried plugging it into a completely different pc. [17:39] hense all the dbus errors [17:39] vastina this adapter is completely new. Just fresh out of the box. :) [17:40] I have like 20 pata drives, I am trying it with different pata drives. Some are relatively new and all of them have worked in the past. [17:40] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:40] hm, i can't seem to find the menu to configure double-click instead of single-click? [17:40] rhisa: that wasn't what i asked though, i'm speaking about 1 PC, try another port... and before that you do, please ensure the hardware is operational [17:40] Well I did try another port. [17:40] NaCl: i don't recall though even if the kernel doesn't have the module for the device built in, it should still see it with lsusb right? [17:40] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.29.39) joined ##slackware. [17:40] I feel the hard drive spinning., [17:41] wario: don't recall [17:41] i think so [17:41] rhisa: that's fantastic, you have power to the spindle... that doesn't mean the hardware is communicating though, did you try it on another PC successfully? or did you try it upon another operating system? [17:41] vastina, yep a Windows XP. [17:41] and nothing? [17:42] Yep nothing. [17:42] send it back [17:42] :) [17:42] Action: vastina facepalms [17:42] heh [17:42] :| [17:42] your bios may not even support it [17:43] your karma lacks access levels to the drive, rhisa [17:43] it's cool rhisa, try sending it back to the manufacturer, sounds like you have defective hardware [17:43] Action: jg71 doubts that, he said it worked before [17:43] Nick change: [OpenSys] -> OpenSys [17:43] he probably broke it [17:44] jg71: does working before mean working now? [17:44] rhisa: it's broken. [17:44] good thing if it did work before, so the replacement should work [17:45] vastina: a) dont assume anything b) he was unclear about almost anything so excuse me for pulling some legs c) who cares [17:45] Action: vastina chooses c) [17:45] brb [17:45] d) leave brittany alone [17:46] :) [17:46] Wasn't her name Britney? [17:46] i pick c [17:47] Action: vastina now codes in C [17:48] how do i change from single click to run files to double click [17:48] stuart_: Depends on your WM [17:49] *Window Manager [17:49] vhann_, kde,d efault [17:49] which version of kde? [17:49] just the default that comes with slack13 [17:50] 4.2.2? [17:50] stuart_: improve your morale upon CLI or ask in #ubuntu [17:50] soz, excuse me [17:50] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) joined ##slackware. [17:51] stuart_: i said before these are kde settings, not pertaining to slackware [17:52] rhisa (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:52] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:52] anyone have any experience with slackware upon gumstix [embedded]? [17:52] vastina: Don't ask to ask ;) [17:53] gumstix to my shoes [17:53] vhann_: don't answer if you don't have an answer :) [17:53] i like cookies [17:53] vhann_: he didn't [17:53] actually gumstix do look pretty cool [17:53] ok so no one has an answer [17:53] thank you [17:55] vastina, you will notice this room is full of egotisical morons who just USE what Patrick Volkerding wrote. They are not as smart as they lead you to believe [17:56] Action: xsamurai actually wears the same brand of underwear as patrick [17:56] KaMii is the only exception to that rule [17:56] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:56] KaMii: they didn't lead me to believe anything, other than the extent of trolling [17:56] just so you know [17:56] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-egzexeixqquczzcu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:56] sahk0: :) [17:56] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:56] sahk0, i dont claim to know anything [17:57] KaMii: you claimed to know that we are all egotistical morons etc or so it seemed [17:57] Trolls in ##slackware ? Who could have imagined such a thing! [17:58] shemp: haha! nice [17:58] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Quit: curiosity kill the kat [17:58] apparently sahk0 is feeling a little guilty about my statement... guilt = truth [17:58] wario: Well, that kind of question won't get a meaningful answer imo (unless you consider 'yes' or 'no' to be a meaningful answer) [17:59] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: m0o [17:59] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:59] i pick c [17:59] frist [17:59] vhann_: http://shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com/ [18:00] That seems interesting, gimme a sec... [18:00] if guilt = truth, then all we know is that guilt != 0, right? [18:00] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] ut: fi [18:01] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:01] Action: ut needs coffee [18:01] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [18:01] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] perlsyntax (~perlsynta@adsl-68-248-237-150.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] wow digitalgangster.com has gone further than a thought... go ytcracker [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:02] I going to install slackware 13 on a 80 hardrive should i just install everything would be the easy way to do it? [18:03] s/a/i/ [18:03] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:03] :) [18:03] what kinda hardware do you have perlsyntax? [18:03] perlsyntax: Hum, 80 GB might be a little fit for the base system... [18:04] it a ibm R50e [18:04] laptop [18:04] how much ram? [18:04] processor? [18:04] 600 [18:04] perlsyntax: I have one of those... [18:04] yea, just do a full install [18:04] intel m [18:04] perlsyntax space wise you are fine [18:04] wont KDE run slow on that? [18:05] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R50e [18:05] might be better to just use fluxbox [18:05] KaMii: KDE runs slow on EVERYTHING [18:05] not on my system [18:05] it runs just fine [18:05] Nick change: phrags -> phrag [18:05] KaMii: he mentioned space not speed [18:05] i know [18:05] i have run gnome on that laptop with no prob. [18:05] but whats the point of putting something on the HD if it wont work? [18:06] mine runs Fluxbox [18:06] wario: Ahah, that thing's excellent almost as good as badgerbadgerbadger.com (which I just found out is made by the same guy/crew) [18:06] sitwon,How big the hardrive? [18:06] KaMii: why on earth would you run the elephant? [18:06] even if you could.... why? [18:06] perlsyntax: mine has a 40G drive [18:06] just to annoy egoists like you vastina [18:06] You install everything? [18:07] yea [18:07] KaMii: ouch, didn't mean to make you go emotional there [18:07] i just worry how much space i would have if i install everything. [18:07] vhann_: Weebi ^^ [18:07] My dell desktop has more space then my laptop. [18:07] hehehe [18:08] sitwon,If i like it i will install it on my dell desktop. [18:08] Guys, what's the point of asking about HDD size when talking about a Window Manager? It's not like you'll ever need over 10 GB for anything else than data (i.e.: /home) ? [18:08] it's entirely up to you. I just install everything because it's easier than wading through all the packages and manually marking the ones I want [18:08] well i like KDE 3.5 the KDE 4+ is garbage IMO [18:08] and you can always remove stuff later if you don't want it [18:08] that what i thought. [18:08] :D [18:09] adamk_ (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [18:09] (eg, KDE) [18:09] Action: vastina feels better going through "expert install" [18:09] haha [18:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:09] makes me feel 'expert' [18:09] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:10] expert install is like Gentoo stage 1 install... everyone does it once to say they did, then they realize their system isn't actually any faster and they just wasted a few hours of their life [18:10] lolz [18:10] KaMii: they're both large chunks of garbage and wastes of clock cycles, hence the name 'elephant' [18:10] unless you are on a system that cant take a full install sitwon [18:11] vastina, i like it.... and its my computer not yours so why do you care so much? [18:11] KaMii: helped me get over this 15 minutes :) otherwise i don't. [18:12] KaMii: a full install is only 5GB, not many systems have less than 10GB these days [18:12] sitwon: Well, you would at least have learned a bit about your system. And if we're talking about what Best Buy sells today, sure you won't see any difference in speed [18:12] vhann_: yea, I suppose learning isn't a waste of time [18:12] sitwon, this lappy im on only has 1 gig hd [18:12] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [18:12] KaMii: and it runs KDE 4? [18:12] no [18:12] i have fluxbox on this [18:13] i hate KDE 4+ i dont use it [18:13] KaMii: use twm hehe [18:13] but I have KDE 3.5 on my desktop [18:13] vastina, dont tell me what to use.... nazi [18:13] Tsk tsk [18:14] :) [18:14] I have nothing against old hardware... I just don't have any systems with less than 10GB that I want to put Slackware on [18:14] if i using slackware 13 (on_64); it is ok to use this package? [18:14] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.0/development/gpsim/0.22.0/ [18:14] open-source = freedom, vastina just wants to take away all our freedoms and control everyone... geez grow up [18:14] it was a suggestion KaMii; please refrain from disparaging language [18:15] if it aint broke dont fix it, and this lappy aint broke [18:16] eg, I have an XO-1, but I'm happy running Sugar on that... it doesn't need Slackware [18:16] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [18:16] KaMii: I'd rather say Free Software is freedom, but whatever [18:16] alienBOB: have any experience with slackware on embedded hardware? [sp: gumstix] [18:16] vhann_: yes, let's get into a pedantic debate about nomenclature [18:17] lolz sitwon [18:17] exactly what i meant by egotistical ppl in here [18:17] if your not 100% PC then everyone jumps on you [18:17] sitwon: Hence the whatever at the end meaning roughing: "I care enough about the difference to bother telling you but realize you probably don't so... whatever" [18:17] pedantic != egotistical [18:18] is it me or does it seem like theres 5th graders loose in the channel [18:18] whee ! [18:18] agreed trhodes [18:18] xsamurai: good observation, not just you [18:18] xsamurai: s'not just you [18:18] its always like this in here [18:18] hub__ (~nvision@g225048207.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:18] everyone is god in here remember? [18:19] KaMii: those're the people with the @s [18:19] and whats the word of the day "egotistical" or "lol" [18:19] xsamurai: s/lol/lolz/ [18:19] lolz [18:19] :) [18:19] ^ [18:20] now we all know how the greek gods acted, same as everyone in this chatroom [18:20] actually lolz is a phrase if i look it up in my "how to be an online ass" dictionary [18:20] lolz [18:20] haha [18:20] The only words I can think of atm are 'Sweet Lemonade'... but some might say that shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com thing as something to do with it [18:20] so... what's up w/ armedslack? [18:20] lolz = im a 14 year old girl and i can care less what you think becase all boys are dumb [18:21] wow [18:21] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:21] Action: alienBOB smells real assholes from great distance [18:21] perlsyntax (~perlsynta@adsl-68-248-237-150.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] alienBOB: have any experience with slackware on embedded hardware? [18:21] tried to ask earlier [18:21] everyone has one and the alll stink alienBOB [18:22] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:22] The Moon is Waning Crescent (27% of Full) [18:22] ##slackware: mode change '+q *!*@91.90.29.39' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [18:22] vastina: buy me one and I will tell you [18:22] <3 pom [18:22] vastina, MoZes might know [18:22] phrag you were faster ;-) [18:22] alienBOB: my question was more alluding to your own experience, but thanks [18:22] ...i really should script some irssi stuff, or at least some alias's =P [18:23] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [18:23] iAVOR (~ppcanfly@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [18:24] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.218.6) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:24] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I have a machine that goes ... PING! [18:25] niels_horn: are you alive? [18:25] trhodes: when's MoZes typically active? [18:25] Action: sitwon is curious if armedslack will ever support more platforms... SheevaPlug isn't the only ARM system out there. [18:26] if you know [18:26] sitwon: i have armedslack on my zaurus [18:26] orly? [18:27] yep, full slackware install to a cf card on it [18:27] spyfuture (~spyfuture@189.98.10.20) joined ##slackware. [18:27] nice [18:27] only trouble i'm having is figuring out how to pass kernel parameters in the bootloader, but that aspect is zaurus-specific [18:27] vastina: I don't know :/ [18:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.3.154) joined ##slackware. [18:27] PiterPunk: opa, tudo bem? [18:27] trhodes: alright, appreciate the pointer anyway :) [18:28] PiterPunk: cara eu gostaria de saber o motivo do meu BAN no canal slackware-br, sinceramente não entendi. [18:28] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.23.185) joined ##slackware. [18:28] I'm wanting a Pandora running Slackware [18:28] http://www.open-pandora.org/ [18:28] o neat, heard of that [18:29] PiterPunk: Howdy. Did I remember to send you my note on wildcard-globbing in slackpkg? [18:29] spyfuture: no portugues en ##slackware, ingles. [18:29] :) [18:30] spyfuture (spyfuture@189.98.10.20) left ##slackware. [18:30] sitwon: i essentially chrooted into the armedslack install from a debian environment i already had on my zaurus. i imagine it would be possible to do the same thing for the pandora [18:30] s/install/installer [18:31] jkwood: Well... *I* don't remember -;) [18:31] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.53.40) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:32] jgor: i'm not that familiar w/ ARM, wouldn't I need to recompile everything for the specific ARM processor or will the binary packages just work? [18:33] PiterPunk: I probably didn't send it then. I had a novel way of solving it, but I'll have to find my notes. [18:34] sitwon: i'm not positive about this, but i'd think it's like the standard slackware i686 packages working on most x86 machines, the arm packages in armedslack should work on most arm machines [18:35] the difficulty would be making sure you find a kernel with support for the pandora's devices [18:36] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:37] jkwood: I will be happy with any bugfix -;) [18:40] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:40] It'll be a few days at least - I'm swamped with student needs related to Google Summer of Code. [18:41] sommer of code is gonna be real tight this year [18:43] fsilva (~fsilva@201.22.12.48.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:43] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:45] What is the difference between, for example, dpkg/apt-get and slackpkg? [18:46] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:46] for starters, nobody uses apt-get on slackware. as to the rest, somebody else take over (dont mind me, im on my way out) [18:47] vhann_, apt-get does dependency resolution, slackpkg doesn't [18:47] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:49] jkwood: No problems, we always will have a new slackpkg version to come -:) [18:51] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.193) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:53] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.21.65) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [18:59] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:59] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.22.28) joined ##slackware. [19:00] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. 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[19:26] no Slackware has evolved [19:31] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:31] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:31] ##slackware: mode change '-q *!*@91.90.29.39' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [19:31] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [19:33] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [19:35] Hey all! I just finished installing slackware, but I may need a little assistance installing all of the packages. I'm not sure if I did or not, also configuring the system. [19:35] I don't need any help right now but a little later possibly if that's okay [19:35] I'm really looking forward to using it. I'm going to be running it as a mirror to my website and a SMTP server [19:35] I'll be back sometime later. thanks [19:35] so you're reserving your spot in the help desk queue? [19:35] ha I dunno [19:36] too late, back of the line please [19:36] ha ha [19:36] I'm really looking forward to using slackware it seems badass [19:36] yes. that's exactly the image it strives for [19:36] it will do whatever you can do with it [19:37] yeah I have to type startx everytime to launch the gui. [19:37] I have to login then type startx to launch the desktop interface. what is the proper name tho? [19:37] if you want to start in x you can change the initmode [19:37] its called X [19:37] Skywise: I'm really new to linux in general [19:38] Skywise: yeah I jus typed X in the command line and nothing happend really [19:38] yeah, but i still gotta use the right words, they'll make sense eventually [19:38] Skywise: what is the name of the desktop gui or interface or whatever? [19:38] X is the system, then you have window managers such as kde [19:38] like KDE or Gnome or blackbox or fluxbox or whatever? [19:38] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [19:39] ok nice. I would like to use KDE, because I'm using KDE on my ubuntu system and it looks really nice [19:39] I'll be using a lot of the CLI tho [19:39] mail server, and apache webserver mirror for my website [19:39] thats fortunate, cause thats really your only choice [19:40] well that's okay but I would like to be running a nice window manager tho like KDE. I'll be back a little later tho, my cousin is waiting on me to join a game with him [19:40] Skywise: thanks for you help [19:40] I'll be back a little later folks [19:41] ok [19:41] you can edit /etc/inittab [19:41] change the default runlevel from 3 to 4 to boot graphically [19:41] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:42] Th0th (~thoth@ichabod.thalhalla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:43] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. 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[20:15] gotta be careful down there now, i heard 53 died in a mud slide last night and theres been over 200 killed this week from the rain [20:19] Skywise: Things are ugly over here... :( But mostly in the slums, where people built houses on unstable soil (or even on a landfill) [20:19] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:20] yeah, the poor always gets hit hard [20:20] like haiti [20:21] yeah, haiti broke my heart [20:21] exactly... And politicians are experts in using hollow phrases and promises... [20:21] i used to spend my summers there when i was a kid, and i knew before the reports that most of the place had collasped [20:21] you could lean against a building and knock it down and a earthquake was gonna flatten it [20:22] its mostly unrefinforced cinder block construction [20:24] in a slum you are lucky to have cinder blocks [20:24] a tin shack won't crush you when it falls [20:24] that is true [20:24] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:25] slums are bad everywhere tho [20:26] yeah, the ones I have seen didn't have much more than wood and metal and cardboard construction, I was blessed to never have to live there [20:26] theres lots of hatians in tent cities when the heat and storms of summer are comming thru [20:27] anybody with core 2 duo T7200? [20:27] I have a T7100 [20:27] !google "smart questions" [20:27] v4nelle: I got one in a thinkpad [20:28] and which are the normal temps? [20:28] v4nelle: runs pretty hot, 45c idle 60c at load [20:29] v4nelle: but the thinkpad never feels hot to the touch, so I have been sceptical of the readings [20:29] i have 39C with cpu at 10%....i think is good [20:29] v4nelle: that is good [20:30] my new t410 with i7 runs about 35c idle, 45c load [20:30] with some dust inside my laptop me old idle temps were 60-65C [20:30] lol [20:31] at least those chips can take it [20:32] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-173-103-83.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] i hope arctic ceramique will help me..... [20:32] telperion (~Adium@proxy4.unal.edu.co) joined ##slackware. [20:34] probably will help some, keeping it clean probably more [20:34] but they can run at high temps [20:37] Dear all, can I use fully qualified hostnames inside hosts.allow in slackware 13.0? I know it is not a good practice, but I HAVE to. It is not working, and I would like to know if is there a more basic explanation [20:37] the hostname of the machine in question resolves fine [20:40] say what? [20:41] mancha: the question is for me? [20:41] adamk_ (user@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.600 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"). [20:44] For instance, can I put something like portmap: hostname.dyndns.com : ALLOW inside hosts.allow ? [20:45] npo [20:45] Blackice (~Jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:45] the syntax is service: host (there's no : ALLOW business" [20:45] man hosts.allow [20:45] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:47] mancha: thanks, lets change it to: portmap: http://hostname.dyndns.com/  only [20:47] is it possible? for me it is not working ... [20:47] maybe man 5 hosts_access [20:47] portmap: hostname.dyndns.com [20:48] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [20:49] peacedog_ (~peacedog@pool-71-254-92-76.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:49] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-173-103-83.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:50] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [20:50] what port is portmap on? [20:51] let me check, and I am reading the manual page, I got an idea, I will try and then I will tell you [20:52] i bet you don't have portmap registerted as a service on your box [20:52] does grep portmap /etc/services give you joy? [20:53] yes I have it, of course I have it, because I have it working on a small subnet (NAT) [20:53] and your command returns [20:53] : [20:53] rpc2portmap 369/tcp [20:53] rpc2portmap 369/udp [20:53] except that's a problem [20:53] bmap 3421/tcp #Bull ... [20:53] etc [20:53] stop saying of course and listen to me [20:54] ok [20:54] can i haz port number you think you need to allow? [20:54] Razec (1000@187-27-225-67.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:56] anyways i have to run so the socratic method will have to wait. [20:56] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:56] put this in hosts.allow "sunrpc : hostname.dyndns.com" [20:56] how can I get that port? Byusing netstat, i have different rpc services listening on 738(rpc.rquitad), 54823(rpc.mountd), 111(rpc.portmap), 37490, 1015, 43416 [20:57] ok I will try, sorry for the delay, I am on a different machine [20:57] ops, no space after sunrpc: "sunrpc: hostname.dyndns.com" [20:58] yep [20:58] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:58] i diti it, and still not working, on the client I am getting the message RPC program not registered [20:59] your line is "sunrpc: hostname.dyndns.com" ? [20:59] maybe is important to say that at the server i have running dnsmasq, and that I am tryng to setup NFS over a university network [20:59] yes, is exactly that line [20:59] deathof1_ (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] ok, next time tell me the whole setup from the start. i have to run. good luck. [20:59] in /etc/hosts.allow [21:00] ok bye and thanks [21:00] telperion: cifs with samba would be much easier [21:00] ananke: really? ok, I will take a look on it [21:01] yep. you wouldn't have to deal with such a large number of services/ports as nfs3. and with unix extensions you can still do everything that nfs can do [21:01] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:02] anake: oh that is great! , I will give it a try, I will start reading the manual =) [21:02] right now [21:03] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Razec (1000@187-27-225-67.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:09] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:10] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:11] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable" [21:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:19] Skywise: eh buddy, you still around? [21:19] i iz [21:19] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:20] did you catch that bit about /etc/inittab? [21:20] Skywise: is there a way I can change from XFCE to KDE in slack? it's all new to me, I still haven't tried to connect my wireless adapter [21:20] Skywise: yes I added the bit about /etc/inittab to my notes [21:20] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:20] k, you can change managers from the menu in the gui [21:21] hexdump_: xwmconfig [21:21] guys how can i read the temp of my gpu? [21:21] otherwise you have to do some editing and configuration [21:21] _ZeH_ (ze_@189.30.85.98) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Skywise: is there a good starters guide in slackware or somewhere on the net? [21:21] hexdump_: slackbook [21:21] hexdump_: slackbook.org slackbasics.org [21:21] BP{k}, he's a brand spanking newbie, i don't think his setup would ever work again if he ran xwmconfig [21:21] oh okie slackbook isn't that on one of the iso images? [21:22] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:22] Skywise: yeah brand new with slackware, but I've gotten used to some debian distros [21:22] np [21:22] still pretty much a brand spanking newbie [21:22] not even a month old yet [21:22] i'm not degrading you, just that its something real easy to fubar [21:22] oh pfff yeah I know no prob [21:22] how can you fubar xwmconfig? [21:23] bad answers [21:23] I don't see any kde in the xwmconfig [21:23] cat /dev/urandom > .xwmconfig [21:23] lol [21:23] I see fluxbox, blackbox, Windowmaker, F(?) Virtual WIndow Manager, and Tab Window Manager [21:24] hexdump_: did you do a full install? [21:24] did you install kde? [21:24] BP{k}: I ran into a few problems during install. Is there a way to install all packages right now from the DVD? I have an external DVD drive, but my old BIOS won't find it on boot. [21:25] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:25] Maybe I had a duplicate cd burned I'm not for sure. [21:26] Just wondering if there is a possibility for me to install everything from the Slack DVD now that I'm logged in and stuff. [21:26] hexdump_: if you mount the dvd, you can just go to it and either use pkgtool -> install from current dir, or installpkg manually [21:26] ^^ what raela sais. [21:26] or something like installpkg *.txz if you really wanted it all [21:26] raela: ok thanks I'll go ahead and give that shot. Hopefully it auto mounts and I don't run into any problems with this old system [21:26] raela: *.t?z .. just to be sure :) [21:26] peacedog_ (~peacedog@pool-71-254-92-76.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [21:26] BP{k}: well, okay.. sure :) [21:27] can't he run setup [21:27] hexdump_: mount by hand shouldn't be too bad [21:27] so then he can use menu or tags for full [21:27] ... [21:27] okie, yeah I've done that before. I know a few things, I'm just all new to slackware. Like I said before I've heard nothing but good things about it so I'm going to give it a shot. [21:28] good luck [21:28] its good stuff [21:28] hexdump_: no problem :) some wms will automount, but I know I don't have it on any of my systems [21:28] I gotta take down these notes, one sec [21:28] taking notes is a really good idea [21:28] hexdump_: if you want some stuff to read "man upgradepkg", "man installpkg" and chapter 18 of slackbook. [21:28] learning to use man is good as well [21:29] sladegen (~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [21:30] k thanks all, I'll be right back. [21:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] did someone link him to slackbook? [21:33] yep, BP{k} took care of that [21:33] is it slackbook.org ? [21:34] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:35] okay I found the pdf [21:35] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:36] I'm reading the slackbook pdf now, thanks everyone. [21:37] _ZeH_ (ze_@189.30.85.98) left irc: [21:37] guys when i try to open firefox or konqueror i get a message,and after that my pc shuting down....can i find the message? [21:37] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] greetings and salutations [21:38] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:40] telperion (Adium@proxy4.unal.edu.co) left ##slackware. [21:43] pupit (p@109.93.233.72) left ##slackware. [21:43] wotcha andarius [21:44] wotcha BP{k} :) [21:44] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-97.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:51] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-175-204.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[22:04] andarius: I am very well thank you:) polishing off a bottle of shiraz and a pizza [22:05] MLanden: chilling and relaxing here. finishing dinner and a fine bottle of wine [22:06] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:06] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:07] hitest, awesome...was just listenin' to CITR from your neck of the woods [22:07] meh, my nepomuk store size is 7.1 gigs [22:07] MLanden: nice, good station:) [22:11] sailhenc (~sailhenc@visualserver.org) joined ##slackware. [22:13] theblackerbox (~sammo@94-194-182-106.zone8.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:15] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [22:15] hmmm seems I have to add my user to /etc/sudoers to make use of installpkg or pkgtool [22:15] else login as root right? but that probably isn't a great idea [22:17] root or sudoers is correct. or something along those lines [22:17] Action: ut uses su a lot, isn't aware of any "best practice" violation [22:20] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:39] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:41] hexdump_: I use su all of the time.. but never sudo [22:41] raela: ditto [22:42] yeah I use sudo on debain but su on like mandriva [22:42] fedora too I think [22:42] good thing about Linux is you can do whatever the hell you please [22:42] ha yeah [22:43] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) left irc: Quit: Darkness shrugs and bids the day goodbye [22:43] I have a question about the default runlevel. I was told to change from 3 to 4 for X [22:43] though.. I do get annoyed when ssh'ing into the workstation.. it has a different root password, but the bash prompt is the same as my laptops.. so I end up with incorrect passwords :P [22:44] hexdump_: I believe the slackbook has a section on that [22:44] whatever you prefer, 3 will give you a cli login, 4 will go straight to graphical [22:44] does that mean to change this part from id:3:initdefault: to id:4:initdefault: [22:44] ah ok I'll check out slackbook [22:45] (that's the first uncommented line of /etc/inittab) [22:45] despiron (~despiron@187.64.98.14) joined ##slackware. [22:45] oh I found it cool it seems it has all I need thanks [22:45] hexdump_: sorry, it's not something I do regularly, so in the end I'd just end up looking it up myself [22:46] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-39.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:48] hexdump_: if you want a graphical log-in change to id:4:initdefault [22:48] ah well I'm going to give it a go, restart and see what I get [22:49] hitest: yeah that's what I did at first, but I just wanted to make sure I was doing it correctly. [22:49] I was able to add my user to sudoers [22:49] so I'm getting the hang of this little by little [22:49] :) [22:49] I'm not real great at vi so I used joe [22:49] joe blow seems to work ok for me [22:49] what ever works [22:50] git-r-done [22:50] heh heh [22:50] I think lots of people like nano [22:50] or pico [22:50] yeah I'm startin to dig slackware [22:50] nano and pico [22:50] slackware rules for me [22:50] I just need to get used to the packaging system slack uses I'm not used to it yet of course [22:51] yeah I'm trying out a bunch of different distros right now. got backtrack, slackware, ubuntu, xubuntu running right now [22:51] did away with windows 7 ultimate. I never use it anymore now [22:51] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:51] seems I don't need windows 7 for anything anymore. [22:52] hexdump_: once you get used to the way slackware does packages you can kiss rpm and apt-get goodgye:) [22:52] I'm just regretting running my apache webserver on xubuntu. I should have run it on slackware. Seems slackware runs much, much smoother. [22:52] i find that highly debatable :) [22:52] try to remove ndiswrapper and all of gnome wants to go with it.. [22:52] (in centos) [22:52] might have been kde [22:52] isn't centos just red hat enterprise [22:53] yes [22:53] ha [22:53] well done [22:53] but hey I don't see anything wrong with buying red hat enterprise just to support linux a little bit [22:53] raela: that's odd, considering rhel doesn't come with ndiswrapper [22:53] or buying slackbook or something [22:53] centos is the re-branded free version of RHEL [22:53] I might end up getting a hard copy of slackbook. I'm sure they sell it [22:54] ananke: oh, my brain turned off.. I meant lm-sensors [22:54] yeah but it is good to help out and buy a little bit. I'm more willing to buy something if I'm not told I have to. [22:54] raela: not there either [22:54] ya know what I mean [22:54] at least not in rhel5 [22:54] I compiled the newer one by source to get support for my hardware and it wouldn't let me remove the older one [22:54] hexdump_: donate to slackware:) that's what I do [22:55] hexdump_: you can find ways of supporting Slackware at the slackware store, buy a book or shirt or something [22:55] well, unless I wanted one of the wm's to go away.. and their repos didn't have the more up to date [22:55] yeah I'm on disability, (fixed income) but I'll try and donate as much as I can. [22:55] raela: no wonder. you compiling from source doesn't result in having metadata [22:55] ooh t-shirt sounds good. [22:55] should have been compiling srpm [22:55] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:55] hexdump_: you can donate as little or as much as you want [22:55] hexdump_: at least you can get it for free if you don't have much to give [22:55] ananke: it was in centos 5.. used by some system monitoring thing, which then I think wanted to take out gnome-session [22:56] ananke: in the end, I was very displeased with centos and just switched the box to slack since it was what I was used to [22:56] unrelated, I used to have a 2600 magazine hat. I'll check out the slackware store and buy some of their merchandise [22:56] hexdump_: if you're short on cash, no problem. take the time to really learn slackware and help others to learn our OS. [22:56] raela: so you fell for the same issue most people do: they go back to familiar things [22:56] oh this is cool [22:57] hitest: I'll try the best I can. See the good thing is I have all day to learn and try to help others. [22:57] awesome [22:57] hitest: It sucks I can't work and I get a little depressed but it helps coming to places like this [22:57] ananke: pretty much. I'm not always up for a challenge [22:59] hexdump_: our community is vibrant and growing. welcome! I hope you like slackware:) [22:59] hitest: thanks I do already. It runs so good on my old computer I will be using it to mirror my site [22:59] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-175-204.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: [22:59] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] deathof1_ (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:00] hitest: like I said before I just regret running my primary site on xubuntu. it runs slooooow [23:00] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [23:00] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:01] thanks all for the hospitality. [23:01] hexdump_: I've run all of the debian variants as well. now I just run Slackware:) [23:01] hexdump_: i somehow don't think distro choice would make such a great impact on how your web server performs [23:02] at least it as been many years since I have seen a core-dump [23:02] ananke: It does when I have to get in there and edit some things [23:03] ananke: maneuvering around the operating system when I have to make updates, it is real slow [23:03] hexdump_: such as? what's the bottleneck? [23:03] ananke: I'm not sure it just seems it takes forever when I have to launch a program(s) [23:03] navigating the os when you run updates is not something that's limited to ubuntu [23:03] ananke: I should have just done away with GUI completely. [23:04] I might just do away with it [23:04] hexdump_: or spend a few minutes and gather some basic metrics to help you figure out what the issue is [23:04] It's just ridiculously slow when I get in there to edit my html pages. So I just say screw it and edit it using ssh [23:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:05] what do you mean by 'i get there' then you're mentioning ssh? is this a remote box? [23:05] ananke: I just simply think it's an old system and the GUI is bogging down the system. [23:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] maybe (~may_be@196.202.27.173) joined ##slackware. [23:06] ananke: yeah I remote login instead of sitting down in front of my computer and editing pages because it's so slow plus a headless box takes up less space. [23:06] I switched over to just a headless box editing using ssh instead. [23:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:07] i see. so your issue is with accessing graphical software over the network. that's not ubuntu specific problem. [23:07] oh ha seems my slackware box is booting up graphically now. [23:07] ananke: well it's slow using vino-server too, but slow when I'm physically sitting down in front of the terminal editing as well. [23:08] hexdump_: try using 'top' and see what's happening on your system. that's a good basic diagnostic tool [23:08] ananke: I'm just saying it's slow opening up programs in the event that I hook up a monitor and log in. [23:09] ananke: yeah I do that sometimes, but that's not a bad idea I haven't checked up on cpu usage in a while [23:09] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:09] ananke: thanks for the tip, I'll check that out real quick. tho it will probably be more work isolating the problem then just switching over to CLI only [23:10] I will see what I can do tho. [23:11] the thing about performance is that it's unlikely for one distro to be significantly faster/slower than another. it's usually a choice of software or some real misconfiguration, or in very rare cases: some serious software bug [23:12] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.129.40) joined ##slackware. [23:12] \o [23:12] heya,alreadygone [23:12] hey MLanden, how you feeling today? [23:13] doin' fine thanks alreadygone...yourself? [23:13] i'm ok too, thank you [23:13] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:13] just woke up [23:14] ax25nut (~ax25nut@cpe-98-28-13-69.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] ananke: I bet it's something I did [23:14] ananke: I'll check it out here in a little while after I setup slackware [23:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:15] alreadygone, mornin' for your area or just for yourself?...:P [23:15] :), it's morning for my area.... [23:16] can't say good morning here... for the same reason, so I just wave :) [23:17] ax25nut (ax25nut@cpe-98-28-13-69.columbus.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:17] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:17] alreadygone, lol...very true [23:18] :) [23:18] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:18] alreadygone, where are you? eastern US here [23:18] Pakistan [23:19] Pakistan ==> GMT+5 [23:19] it's 8:15 here [23:19] alreadygone : take a look here http://linuxurducbts.com/ [23:20] Varmint (~ax25nut@cpe-98-28-13-69.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:20] are you Kamran maybe ? [23:21] no [23:21] ok [23:21] just get the link by search [23:21] and i do not know URDU [23:21] ohh so you know we speak Urdu [23:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-39.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:22] Urdu? omg. [23:22] well, I don't need stuff in Urdu for learning... my English is ok [23:22] at least English is the other official language [23:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:23] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] take a look here http://www.wbitt.com/ [23:23] yeah, THAT is Kamran's website [23:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:24] i think the site is informative :-) [23:24] hehe [23:24] that's a badass rack [23:26] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.76.199) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:27] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:27] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:27] Naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] this guy teaches courses in Linux and I sometimes receive email from his institution about latest offerings. That is how I know. [23:28] his wife is going "WTF?" [23:28] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:28] lol [23:28] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [23:29] ##slackware-offtopic [23:29] waaah [23:29] cray me a river [23:29] yeah, and cry one too [23:29] lol [23:30] hi [23:30] Varmint (ax25nut@cpe-98-28-13-69.columbus.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:30] hi [23:30] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:30] hello [23:31] call the waaaaaaaambulance [23:31] heya,Naraku [23:31] I wode in dah waaamublance [23:32] wack when wit was wilarious [23:32] This is Webrah Waltahs, weworting wrom wha wrenches [23:33] you are starting to sound like a kde or apple fanboy :( [23:33] starting everything with a k or i [23:33] or W [23:33] antiwire, lol..old school SNL with Gilda Radner [23:33] lol [23:35] MoZes: You around? Any special reason why ARMedslack is on 2.6.33.2 already? [23:36] niels_horn: howdy, how's things down there? [23:36] BP{k}: I'm fine, but Rio is bad :( [23:37] Buh, I guess my P3 server is gone... kernel panic about some CPU error code :( [23:37] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] niels_horn: yeah read about the mudslides today. \: [23:39] BP{k}: about 200 homes destroyed... [23:39] I know they were illegal constructions, but there were people living there... [23:41] illegal people too? [23:41] lol [23:42] I'd just like to warn everyone who hasn't tried alienBOB's vlc package yet; it is like crack and your brain will keep coming back for more. [23:42] telperion (~Adium@186.28.174.66) joined ##slackware. [23:43] telperion (~Adium@186.28.174.66) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:43] Action: alreadygone is using it [23:43] it's dope [23:43] VLC is crap. [23:44] Motoko-chan, I suppose you use "Dragon Player" huh [23:44] mplayer [23:45] mplayer +1 [23:45] never heard of it [23:45] hehe [23:45] never heard of mplayer? [23:46] impossible to not have heard of mplayer [23:46] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:46] just messing with Motoko-chan (or at least I tried) [23:46] may be alreadygone not use gui :) [23:46] maybe if you have spent last 5 years smoking crack under bridges [23:47] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:47] Flashdance is on http://s5.viastreaming.net:7150/ :) [23:48] ummmm [23:48] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:49] *what a feeling [23:50] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.53.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:54] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:54] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-175.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:54] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:55] alreadygone: Beware, Motoko-chan has access to orbital lasers. [23:55] ooh [23:55] hehe [23:55] mach_kernel: yeah, i've used it for a while... [23:55] How can I get rid of "Devices recently plugged in window" ? Should I remove Inotify, automounter ? [23:55] Motoko-chan: i need you to zap a few fsck'ers for me [23:55] Sorry, I don't do contract work with them. [23:56] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.90.209) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Motoko-chan: well damn [23:56] In kde4 I mean. [23:56] Motoko-chan: you wouldn't need to kill them, should you choose...just give them a good sunburn, so to speak [23:56] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:57] yeah I'm doing away with the whole sudo thing. can't even use pkgtool for some reason. [23:57] sorry to interrupt. I'll be back later [23:59] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.22.28) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:00] --- Fri Apr 9 2010