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[00:23] failbuses are common [00:23] lol [00:24] sound like it was based off zipslack [00:24] agentc0re: the reason why we only see about two or three utterly stupid newbies a week is *because* all the writers/bloggers dont mention us [00:25] agentc0re: people turn to slackware when they have grown a clue ;-) [00:25] most the time, that is :P [00:25] macavity: I am going to post a comment, but before i did so i went to see if anyone had mentioned Slackware not being mentioned and a lot have. [00:25] What a fuck tard for not mentioning. [00:26] He obviously hasn't seen this. http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt76.png [00:26] slackware isn't as "hyped" as some of the more popular linuxuntu distros [00:26] its a good thing, imo [00:26] foldingstock: yes [00:26] foldingstock: Yes and No. [00:26] foldingstock: I think it deserves a lot more credit than what's ever been given. [00:27] I don't mind all the idiots going to Ubuntu. [00:27] agentc0re: I think it stands on its own, it doesn't need the credit [00:27] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1385 [00:27] I'm starting to think that people that write linux distro blogs, can't even install Slackware so they don't write about it? [00:27] slackware has a reputation of being conservative and hard to use [00:27] right... just the way i like it :P [00:27] jkwood: LOL [00:27] this channel is much better quality then ubuntu, fedora, etc [00:27] I like it like this [00:27] foldingstock: i agree with you there no doubt. [00:28] yes.. and if slackware got mentioned more often, we would have to deal with stupid script kiddies who want to run slackware so they can feel all 1337 and shit [00:28] and we dont want those [00:28] when i found Slackware I found exactly what I was looking for in an os, haven't felt the need to change since. [00:28] Old_Fogie: You are probably right there. Whats funny is that it's no harder than installing one of the others. I'd say you have less choices to fuck up the installation than say Ubuntu or Fedora (been a while since i've even seen an install of those though). [00:28] exactly, instead we need old buffoons to run scripts and feel 1337 :) [00:29] agentc0re: you have to actually read what is on the screen... [00:29] the Ubuntu installer fails on a lot of hardware due to enabling compiz by default [00:29] it won't even run on my laptop without a lot of work [00:29] more work then I want to put in it / have time to put in it [00:30] I just don't "get it" about ubunut anyhow, I've found much better distro's than that, my 0.02$ [00:30] foldingstock: recent suckage in the intel drivers... but things *should* be better in the future [00:30] Old_Fogie: hype ;) [00:30] and a nice brown interface that makes people feel all fozzy [00:30] *fuzzy [00:31] macavity: yeah. A guy I work with purchased a Dell laptop preinstalled with Ubuntu (he's never used linux before) [00:31] out of the box the machine won't even boot [00:31] lol [00:31] woh really? [00:31] taht's horrible [00:31] Old_Fogie: ive just attempted to build gallium-mesa-7.4 [00:31] Old_Fogie: no dice yet :-/ [00:32] Action: Old_Fogie has his fingers and toes X for macavity [00:32] Old_Fogie: aye, luckily he was able to ship it back [00:32] i have just subscribed to the -dev and -user mailing lists [00:32] was a shame though, left a bad taste in his mouth about how "unstable" linux is [00:32] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.176.74) joined ##slackware. [00:32] did he get a replacement ubu laptop or no [00:32] macavity: What if i can't read? :P [00:32] nah, vista [00:32] macavity: aha I see [00:33] foldingstock: can't say I blame him after that really [00:33] does any of you guys know now to convice mailman to push the all the messages from the last year? [00:33] agentc0re: then you *should* use ubuntu/fedora/mandriva/ [00:33] Old_Fogie: I don't see how Dell can justify shipping machines that don't boot, but meh [00:33] macavity: Hahaha. [00:33] foldingstock: they really seem to have gone done hill; shame. [00:33] foldingstock: they are being paid by MS to do so [00:33] large corporations do many things that don't make since [00:33] lol [00:34] foldingstock: quality control has started taking elssons from custoemr service :) [00:34] macavity: I think reading is most of peoples problems that have any issue with Slackware, or linux in general. [00:34] macavity: you may not be far off the mark [00:34] one company that has really slipped lately is Asus, seen 4 doa motherboards in the last month [00:34] agentc0re: tho, in a way, most linux doc's stink anyhow ( /me pets his freebsd manaul ) [00:34] NyteOwl: i doubt neither MS nor Dell would like to be caught making such an agreement [00:35] twolf: don't get me started on Asus. I have been trying to find out which TPM to get for this motherboard since alst august with absolutely NO useful help form Asus [00:35] agentc0re: I find myself reading man pages, and saying "who in the heck are they writing this for anyway" [00:35] You know I like *buntu deviants. Or in fact any distro that makes it "easy". Everyday i learn more and more how much the general public just doesn't want to know anything about computers and expect that they work. [00:35] NyteOwl: that could very very well cost MS a three digit million euro fine with the EU counsil [00:35] macavity: probably not, but if there is no paperwork well, hard to prove [00:35] sigh. if if iwlist wlan0 scan returns an essid and other things, wlan0 is up, right? [00:35] mwnn (n=user@59.92.143.39) joined ##slackware. [00:35] you used to be able to rely on asus, but no more [00:36] twolf: huh? [00:36] twolf: asus has *never* failed to deliver on my end.. [00:36] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] asus is pretty good [00:36] imo [00:36] hi, This is the ouput i get when i type "df -h": "/dev/root 5.8G 5.5G 0 100% /" [00:36] Old_Fogie: I agree with you there. Some documentation is lacking. [00:36] Action: foldingstock has a 701 eee and loves it [00:36] macavity: they threw quality control out the window lately [00:36] mwnn: yup, its full [00:36] Why is the value of avail equal to 0? [00:36] at least on motherboards [00:36] I love this motherboard, and they have an i7 version but since the exchange rate took a crapper I'm glad I didn't wait to get it. this one is relaly nice and getting it when orices were good makes it even better :) [00:36] mwnn: thats not good. [00:37] agentc0re: well, there's really nothing wroing with expecting a computer to "just work". I mean if you buy a car it should just work. If you want to tinker on the car you should be able to do so. But if you're not tinkering with it, then it should run the same as before, the same as when you got it; and the dev's should try and design towards that model :) [00:37] macavity: I tried removing the packages. [00:37] macavity: but still the avail column is always 0 [00:37] O_O [00:37] ok, that is bad [00:37] try touch /etc/FORCEFSCK or what its name is [00:38] agentc0re: problem is, linux has no official releases, all the under lying libs, and such move so fast, and the breakage. I dont think you'll ever see a year of the linux desktop, and to that extent, I'm ok with it. [00:38] macavity: ok [00:38] /etc/forcefsck yes [00:38] BP{k}: what was that again? [00:38] driving me mad. /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_start ------> timed out waiting for a valid dhcp server response. what does that mean in dummy terms? [00:38] mwnn: what jkwood said [00:38] Old_Fogie: Very true. And I'm not trying to say that Slack isn't that kind of distro. However, more common sense comes into play when using it versus the others i think. [00:38] agentc0re: yup [00:38] mwnn: then reboot.. it will check all the filesystems [00:38] Slack is energy in == energy out for sure [00:39] I see from a post on linuxquestions somebody tried putting their system with a 3ware RAID card into suspend to ram and the RAID card wouldn't wake up :) [00:39] macavity: ok. I will give it a shot [00:39] antler: it means that you got connected, but you didnt get an IP adress [00:39] antler: try do it manually [00:39] agentc0re: unfortuantely common sense is a rare commodity these days [00:40] antler: eg, iwconfig wlan0 essid "yourAP" key s:yourpassphrase && dhclient wlan0 [00:40] antler: assuming you are using WEP [00:40] macavity: "/etc/forcefsck". There seems to no such file [00:40] mwnn: thats why you have to "touch /etc/forcefsck" [00:40] macavity: wpa [00:40] macavity: ok [00:40] shutdown -f ? [00:40] Old_Fogie: I think in the sense that Slackware tries to say as vanilla as possible make's it harder for a common user. IE, lets say you needed to restart your network. In slackware you must know where the rc.* scripts are and which one to restart. In "red hat" distros you can do service network restart. I think the second is much easier for the unknowning and unwilling to learn user, at least imo. [00:40] mwnn: that will create an empty file, and when you are done rebooting it will have gone away [00:41] macavity: ok. I am rebooting the machine now [00:41] antler: so i take it you have set up /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf correctly? [00:41] mwnn (n=user@59.92.143.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] NyteOwl: Aye, true. I also think that sometimes people don't use it do to the fact they've been hand fed for a long time too. [00:41] agentc0re: yes but you still have to "know" 'service network restart' heh, still a learning curve none the less [00:41] agentc0re: exactly - no one wants to exert any more effort than they can avoid doing [00:42] whats the best way to stream to another machine? [00:42] macavity: i copied lines from alienBOB's wiki, substituted in my info. ran /etc/rc.d/inet1 wlan0_start [00:42] anyone done this..mythtv or something? [00:42] NyteOwl: That is a perfectly put sentence! Exactly! [00:42] agentc0re: I tell family n friends, "hey you learned windows over 10 years, dont think you'll learn linux in 10 minutes". you give people a heads up like that, they'll be fine [00:42] antler: you have to know what you are doing... [00:42] antler: just copying shit wont work [00:42] macavity: exactly. and i don't [00:42] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b07dfca3647b9d54) joined ##slackware. [00:43] macavity: first time wireless. i've always been wired [00:43] acidchild: not yet - it's on my todo list [00:43] Old_Fogie: True. But what's easier to remember? rc.inet1/rc.inet2/rc.inetd ? or service network restart? Keywords help (some) people. [00:43] anyone around that knows anything about DVB ? [00:43] antler: time to read some man pages then: wpa_supplicant(8) and wpa_supplicant.conf(5) [00:43] NyteOwl: i think maybe VLC or what ever can listen? and stream to it [00:43] off another machine [00:43] DV*B* [00:43] Old_Fogie: Why learn something new when you know how to do it already? I think that is most peoples logic, and it's not a bad one. [00:43] as in boy [00:44] im switching to fedora if i can't get this issue fixed [00:44] XDS2010: yes [00:44] antler: you have to set up the later with passphrase and whatnot to be able to use /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 [00:44] Think simple, stupid. Or Think smarter, not harder. A few sayings we had in the corps. [00:44] agentc0re: all babies know how to crawl, that mean we shouldn't learn to walk? would be my response :) [00:44] antler: dont forget to fill out /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf too [00:44] acidchild: I have a rebranded HP HVR 1500 that won't initialize. [00:45] im fresh out of moves [00:45] NyteOwl: See, this is where common sense falls into play. :D [00:45] good luck. [00:45] macavity: i did that. ssid and psk (from wpa_passphrase essid phrase) [00:46] I am off to watch a movie. Be back in a couple of hours. :) [00:46] antler: try calling wpa_supplicant from the command line [00:46] acidchild: no help for the wicked ? [00:46] sure show me some [00:46] the stuff i need to see [00:47] antler: wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0 [00:47] ? [00:47] < sigh > [00:47] macavity: i've tried that as well, but apparent /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_start is supposed to do that fo rme [00:47] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] antler: does the above work? [00:47] antler: manual wpa_supplicant that is? [00:47] macavity: one sec [00:48] XDS2010: lspci, dmesg, errors,etc,etc,os,kernel version [00:48] antler: also, are you absolutely sure that you have all that is needed to get your wifi card running? [00:49] acidchild, mooooo [00:49] eek ;> [00:49] mwnn (n=user@59.92.143.39) joined ##slackware. [00:49] macavity: i can't be sure. i feel as though i'm chasing my own tail [00:49] Peluch3 (n=hooh@cbl-sd-80-151.aster.com.do) joined ##slackware. [00:50] nix_chix0r: hows the grass [00:50] macavity: The disk check did not help. The "avail" column still has the value 0. [00:50] manually calling wpa_supplicant ioctl operation not supported [00:50] is it treu its greener on the other side of the fence? [00:50] green grass is the best [00:50] wpa: key negotiation completed [00:50] twolf: I prefer dried [00:50] antler: ok, it logs on [00:50] but that's me [00:50] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.159.193) left ##slackware (""... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow.""). [00:50] antler: now, in another terminal, call dhcpcd wlan0 [00:51] acidchild, not bad,, [00:51] :) [00:51] antler: if that bitches at you, call dhcpcd -k wlan0; dhcpcd wlan0 [00:52] macavity: it didn't bitch. i think that worked [00:52] nice [00:52] now, pastebin your /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [00:52] one sec [00:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:52] hah i can't ping [00:52] ? [00:53] unknown host [00:53] can you ping the IP adress of the AP? [00:53] type "route" to see its IP adress [00:53] macavity: operation not permitted [00:53] Shrp_ (n=without@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] ?!? [00:53] what the heck is wrong there... [00:53] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-c130f6cbaeadc144) left irc: Client Quit [00:54] was that the ping or the route that respoinded "operation not permitted"? [00:55] the ping [00:55] Action: Old_Fogie yell "put the stinking lotion in the basket" [00:55] antler: what does "route" say? [00:56] did you get a default gateway? [00:56] acidchild, had the bf try salvia earlier [00:56] i'm trying now. just restarted wlan0 [00:56] try dhclient wlan0 this time [00:56] its a little more verbose, and it doesnt take down the interface if it doesn succede [00:57] macavity: route gave me the gw [00:57] iface wlan0 [00:57] IP adress of the gw? [00:57] yeah. and i seem to have been assigned an ip. still can't ping. [00:57] IP adress of the gw? [00:58] 'ifconfig wlan0' should tell you what adress you got [00:58] macavity: routed outputs 3 columns. 192.168.1.0 ; loopback ; default [00:58] and 'route | grep default' should give you the adress of the GW [00:58] its the default [00:59] ls [00:59] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-267e47b8fa5e77ea) joined ##slackware. [00:59] mwnn (n=user@59.92.143.39) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [00:59] yeah, i do see the gw [00:59] mwnn: fail :P [00:59] macavity: i definitely have an ip (ifconfig wlan0 [01:00] is that adress different from the adress wlan0 got? [01:00] the GW adress? [01:00] does iwconfig show any goodness? [01:01] macavity: yes. the gw is 192.168.1.1 ; box ip is 192.168.1.104 [01:01] goodie [01:01] now to investigate why you cant ping 192.168.1.1 [01:01] Old_Fogie: yeah. essid ; ap ; etc [01:01] per chance, is your wired nic online, and using diff gateway, nameserver? [01:02] Old_Fogie: he gets "operation not permitted" when he tries to ping the AP [01:02] does ifconfig show an iface for a wired nic up? [01:02] oh [01:02] Old_Fogie: that befuddles me a little... [01:02] Old_Fogie: i've disabled it, commented out nics not in use. no wires are connected [01:02] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-123-145.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:02] antler: do you have any nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf? [01:03] oh, that might just be it.... [01:03] yeah i have several [01:03] out of the box dhcpcd will write to resolv.conf, but dhclient will not [01:03] my wireless here *hates* me having nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf [01:03] Old_Fogie: why that? [01:04] My script to bring up wifi0 rm /etc/resolv.conf && ln -s /etc/resolv.conf-wireless /etc/resolv.conf [01:04] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:04] rc.local_shutdown ...rm /etc/resolv.conf && ln -s /etc/resolv.conf-wired /etc/resolv.conf [01:04] odd... [01:04] slackwares scripts just dont work for me, I totally dont use them for wirelss at all [01:04] arghh2d2 (n=pickit@239-108.125-70.bham.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Old_Fogie: tell dhcpcd to not use nameservers for wlan0 then [01:05] havent used them in 2 years now [01:05] to be honest [01:05] I dont use dhcp [01:05] dhclient? [01:05] wicd made wireless easy on my new laptop [01:05] that's the problem, they work if dhcp ok, but if you want to specify ...they fail for me. [01:06] macavity: dhclient wlan0 gave me love, but still not permitted to ping the gw [01:06] antler: i am out of ideas [01:06] antler: it did the same as dhcpcd [01:07] yeah [01:07] antler: do you have some firwall script or something? [01:07] macavity: you see, if you have 192.168.100.1 and 192.168.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf the darn timeout is too long.. Slackware shouldnt try the first nameserver everytime on every darn command and then go thru timeout, it's just nuts. [01:07] mwnn (n=user@59.92.143.39) joined ##slackware. [01:07] macavity: yeah, i'll shut it down now [01:07] test [01:07] Old_Fogie: that is not the fault of slackware [01:07] macavity: so if you hard code nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf which I do, the net is so darn unresponsive on DNS alone it's not even worth it. hence why I rm it [01:07] Old_Fogie: it is glibc that reads resolv.conf [01:07] macavity: sure it is... [01:07] nope.. [01:08] ok design flaw [01:08] windows and mac can do it [01:08] macavity: you da man. i truly appreciate you help. :D [01:08] see a dns server not there and ignore [01:08] antler: .... [01:08] macavity: i found the culprit using up the filesystem. It was the compilation of packages from slackbuilds that added a directory called SBo in /tmp directory. [01:08] macavity: i got love now. [01:09] It should see 192.168.100.1 is down, and then use line 2 or line 3 til' it finds one that works, then keep using that for the rest of the session in my opinion [01:09] and if 192.168.100.1 was good..but then gone..then requery all til' it finds one then use that. [01:09] not every darn ping, or net traffic, it's insane [01:10] macavity: man i can't get over it. thanks again. :) [01:10] mwnn (n=user@59.92.143.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:10] Old_Fogie: #DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[4]="yes" # If you dont want /etc/resolv.conf overwritten <<-- this doesnt solve your problem? [01:10] I dont use DHCP, I hard code the wireless [01:10] I also hard code the wired [01:11] but at times, I may be wired, or may be wireless. [01:11] antler: i am looking up that feature to make the network script wait just a little while before running dhcpcd [01:11] that's the problem [01:11] antler: it is a known problem that TKIP/CCMP takes a litle while to negotiate [01:11] antler: that could be why you get dhcpcd timeout [01:11] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) left irc: No route to host [01:11] arghh2d2 (n=pickit@239-108.125-70.bham.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [01:12] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:12] macavity: yeah, it was driving me crazy [01:12] Old_Fogie: i dont even want to aks why... [01:12] macavity: makes it much easier to setup radius [01:13] firewall rules [01:13] etc [01:13] with my hardware at least [01:13] still confuses me, though. restarting (or starting) wlan0 is supposed to call wpa_supplicant [01:14] antler: it's supposed to [01:15] yeah. i tried doing it manually ; ran the command right from the man or help page (forgot which) and i still timed out. [01:16] you can run that with a debug iirc or more verbosity [01:16] read the script it explains how [01:16] antler: in rc.inet1.conf, what interface number is wlan0? [01:16] macavity: [0] [01:17] you mean the index? [01:17] DHCP_TIMEOUT[0]=60 [01:17] i'll slip that in right now [01:17] Action: Old_Fogie blushes :) [01:17] you dirty guy, you [01:17] hahah [01:17] hee hee [01:18] I wonder if there is a marekt for used pipes [01:18] er market [01:18] I think that guy from the Olympics might be looking for some [01:18] Sell them as "antiques" [01:18] NyteOwl: oh boy, i think i have used about fifty pipes today [01:18] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-213-17.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:18] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [01:18] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [01:18] NyteOwl: so if you find a market, please tell me :P [01:18] macavity: lol sorry but not |'s [01:18] i could crank up my pipe usage to nearly infinite [01:18] donate them to the PBA [01:18] ;-) [01:19] PBA? [01:19] Policeman's Benevolent Assoc. [01:20] lol [01:20] haha [01:21] Public Bananas in Assholes [01:21] I was housecleaning a drawer and found some of my father's pipes. all used, except for a couple of novelty ones [01:21] yeah, bring them pipes over there, you may not get free money for the pipes, but I assure you , you'll get some free room and board [01:21] macavity: DHCP_TIMEOUT[0]=60 still times out after wlan0_restart [01:22] antler: stop the iface, killall wpa_supplicant, start up iface [01:22] sometimes it hangs [01:22] my dads pipes were all used for smoking pot, damn hippies. [01:22] antler: pastebin rc.inet1.conf [01:23] antler: i just want a quick look over it.. [01:23] macavity: ok. one sec [01:23] Old_Fogie: still hanging [01:24] or timing out, rather [01:25] antler: is the AP hidden SSID? [01:25] manual wpa_supplicant works fine [01:25] now just give me the .conf so i can find out where you made the typo [01:25] Old_Fogie: no, it's not hidden. i've read that hidden ssid's are bahahaddd. [01:26] pastebin url? [01:26] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) joined ##slackware. [01:26] macavity: one sec. i just got online now [01:26] antler: i use it here works well (tho I think that's the router) ; at a friedns house it's a no-go [01:27] the funny thing about hidden ssid is that it just means that a bit is flipped in the beacon [01:28] the bit that means "dear wifi driver, please dont let your user know that i am here" [01:28] which is nothing short of redicilous :P [01:28] http://pastebin.ca/1330561 [01:28] i cant spell worth a damn, can i? [01:28] oh well [01:28] brb. giving my wife her lappy back [01:29] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:29] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:29] antler: comment out DHCP_HOSTNAME[0]="mywirelessbox" [01:29] that sounded faintly ... naughty [01:29] antler: you dont know what a DHCP hostname is, and you dont have one on your LAN [01:30] macavity: yeah. i didn't even have that line in there earlier. result of blindly copying and pasting [01:30] ... [01:30] macavity: yes true, but stops alot of chatter on the router [01:30] Peluch3 (n=hooh@cbl-sd-80-151.aster.com.do) left irc: "Leaving" [01:31] antler: that is about the most stupid thing ive heard all day... sorry.. [01:32] antler: do you also get confused that you cant find that "any key"? [01:32] Old_Fogie: apparently here it stops *too* much chatter.. in general [01:33] heh :) yeah stops the darn windows users from trying to connect all day long unbeknownst to them I s'pose [01:33] macavity: http://pastebin.ca/1330563 [01:33] macavity: yes, very true. very stupid. [01:34] the later looks good.. though, you can safely remove PSK-EAP and RSN [01:35] you wont ever fall back to those, and if you actually did, it would not work, as you dont have it set up [01:35] macavity: "any key" doesn't confuse me, but "yourpassword" does. [01:35] lol [01:35] heheh [01:36] observe that psk=hex:hex:hex: or psk="yourpassword" [01:36] also observe that for most drivers on Windows XP you need SP3 or a specific hotfix to use CCMP [01:37] why they didnt push that hotfix emidiately is just SO beyond me [01:37] but allas.. i will never like, understand nor accept Redmond [01:38] macavity: oh come on. i was kidding. i'm idiotic, but not a complete idiot. ;-) [01:38] oh, ive forgottne the quotes to psk= myself [01:39] in fact, i forgot about that one the last time :P [01:39] rinaldi (n=chatzill@adsl-072-148-191-246.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0a3pre/20081212000452]" [01:39] heh forgetting is different from "complete idiot" :) [01:39] im used to "loaning", which means WEP, which means key s:easypw [01:40] so i just blindly wrote key=s:fubar [01:40] hahaha [01:40] for some odd reason that didnt let me connect :P [01:40] mmm beer [01:41] btw, aircrack-ng cracks most networks in less than 100K packages now [01:41] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] no need for ARP injection there... just a user watching youtube for fscking 25 secconds [01:42] my current loaner was done in only 17K [01:42] at least I live in bfe, crackers got to be desparate to drive out here to try to crack a wpa network [01:42] but, 01:23:45:67:89 is not much of a key :P [01:43] people who want to read it in ascii gets a nasty surprize though... [01:44] my wife's been watching old kung fu movies online the whole day. [01:46] it's not annoying because she's watching them. it's annoying because the site she's watching them from won't let her fullscreen. [01:47] what site is that? [01:47] i'm not sure, some chinese site that a friend gave her [01:47] teach her how to use BT :P [01:48] hahah. she loves this site [01:48] kung fu can be quite mezmorizing [01:48] anyways, it am taking it that rc.inte1 wlan0_restart works as intented now? [01:48] even in partial screen [01:49] macavity: no, the timeout[0]=60 still times out on me [01:49] i'm calling wpa_supplicant manually [01:49] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [01:50] and running dhcpcd manually as well [01:50] manual ain't so bad [01:51] something is wrong there [01:51] i cant put my finger to what it is.. [01:51] what wifi card is that? [01:52] linksys rt2561/rt61 [01:52] hba (n=hba@189.188.147.150) left irc: "leaving" [01:52] i use DHCP_TIMEOUT[4]="8" && WLAN_WPAWAIT[4]=15 [01:52] that ought to work [01:52] AH! [01:52] there it was [01:52] antler: WLAN_WPAWAIT[1]=15 [01:52] what nullboy said? [01:53] antler: WLAN_WPAWAIT[0]=15 [01:53] dooh [01:53] good $timeofday [01:53] yes, what nullboy said [01:53] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:53] oh cool. i'll try that. [01:53] thats the one i was looking for [01:54] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) joined ##slackware. [01:54] that setting works well for my intel 3945 setup but you might need to play with the timings of both to make it just right [01:55] nullboy: yeah. trying it now. brb [01:55] antler: 12.1 or 12.2? [01:55] 3945 has always been working well here [01:56] hi, how to give rw permission of /dev/ttyS0 to normal user in slackware? [01:56] aBiNg: man chmod [01:56] he should have.. [01:57] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2009-02-07 21:47 /dev/ttyS0 -> tts/0 [01:57] twolf: i mean change permission after rebooting [01:57] oh wait [01:57] crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 4, 64 2009-02-07 21:47 /dev/tts/0 [01:58] group is uucp, i add username to uucp group, but the user can't use this serial device [01:58] aBiNg: add your regular user to uucp [01:58] have you logged out and back in? [01:58] yeah [01:58] hm [01:58] udev rule? [01:58] yes, [01:59] udev rules in slack may diff from other distro, isn't it ? [02:00] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: "Leaving" [02:00] there is no default*rule* in /etc/udev/rules.d/* [02:01] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [02:01] c [02:01] still timing out. tried increasing the values [02:02] macavity: 12.2 [02:05] aBiNg: have a look at /lib/udev/rules.d [02:06] unless of course your running 12.1 [02:06] chopp: ok, find it.:D thanks. [02:06] yw [02:08] i wonder these rules work as if those in /etc/udev of other distro. [02:09] slackware uses default udev [02:09] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:09] thank you, twolf [02:10] and they also used to be located in /etc/udev [02:10] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:10] chopp: get it,:) [02:11] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [02:11] quite cool: 3d accel for vbox guests. [02:11] nice [02:13] smp support before 3d, though, imo. [02:13] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn182.91-127-243.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [02:14] non-smp with nice 3d card handles 3d well, no? [02:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-5.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:15] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [02:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-6.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Connection timed out [02:16] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [02:17] i haven't tried the 3d yet [02:19] ckp_LastPride (n=andrekgl@a213-22-123-145.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [02:23] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] mbhayes: hey [02:26] hello, acidchild [02:27] hows it going? [02:27] had a few beers, a little tipsy [02:27] nice [02:28] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:28] i'm buzzed wondering what to do with my new toy [02:28] hehe [02:28] new toy? [02:28] source583 (n=user1@ll62-66-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [02:29] we have been watching heroes season 1, good show [02:29] hehe [02:29] http://dubstep.7a69.co.uk/~ash/desk1.jpg [02:29] nice toy [02:29] the 3 screen thingi [02:29] hehe [02:29] I see 4? [02:30] only one of the 3 is turned on [02:30] look again [02:31] 2 19"s side=by=side and one one top? [02:31] yep [02:31] its got a frame xD [02:31] http://www.massmultiples.com/products/c17/c3p17.htm [02:31] nice. you have enough there to start your own security/surveilance company :P [02:32] Action: acidchild found it in the garbage room [02:32] 100% working condition =] [02:32] nice [02:32] wow [02:32] I have found lots of good stuf in the bin [02:33] gallium was pulled into the mesa master branch 33 hours ago :-) [02:33] me too :-P [02:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:35] i'm thinking of just putting 2 PCI graphics cards in a box and using the onboard video [02:35] use it for visual security apps [02:35] =] [02:35] oh, and the mesa-7.4 branch *is* the master branch [02:36] guys, we are going to see some *hefty* shit with X11R7.5 + Mesa-7.4 [02:36] will it make me care about mesa? [02:37] if not, they can do as they please aslong as that all works right [02:37] :P [02:38] if you have anything but nVidia you should care about this [02:38] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) left irc: "leaving" [02:38] nvidia 8600gt [02:38] =] [02:39] and if you have nVidia, you should be prepared to see ATI kick your arse within a forseeable future [02:39] acidchild: i got nx8600gt [02:39] lol [02:40] ive been studying this phenomenon called Gallium3D for some time.. and if i am not mistaken, that will provide some real tangible benefits [02:40] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [02:40] grissiom (n=grissiom@121.19.39.154) joined ##slackware. [02:40] A) it runs an optimizing pass on the shader instructions before they are sent to the GPU [02:41] B) it can deside to sprinkle in some sse instructions if the pipeline is overworked :P [02:41] popular card it seems. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) [02:41] C) it is a shortcut to get *native* DirectX support on xorg [02:42] that makes me droool! [02:42] for sure [02:42] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-6.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:44] http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/11/gallium3d-llvm.html [02:44] lw0x15_: itsn't that a compaq laptop? [02:44] lol [02:44] whaat [02:44] no lol [02:44] :P [02:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [02:45] its actually pretty good :] [02:46] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-69.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [02:48] valvola (n=val@host113-251-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:54] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:04] High_Priest (n=Mean@cable-89-216-142-199.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:05] Nick change: Packetee1 -> packeteer [03:11] damn.. you guys are wholeheartedly boring today :P [03:11] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c671478d8d8c106d) joined ##slackware. [03:12] lol [03:12] i cant keep entertaining you with my graphics subsystem fetish [03:13] macavity: it's Sunday.. :) [03:13] its *day everyday [03:13] oh, It was supposed to be for lw0x15_ ^^ :P [03:14] omg I'm confused today :D [03:14] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:14] and here i though you cared about me? [03:14] source583 (n=user1@ll62-66-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] but nooooes.. you just go talk to someone else, huh? [03:14] oh well... ill just sit in the corner and wait to be adressed, 'scuse me [03:14] :P [03:14] ike_ (n=ike@203.115.88.171) joined ##slackware. [03:15] I must be carefull today, I would rather to not touch anything, and don't post anything :) [03:15] I woke up this morning, taek shower, breakfast... them my mom come downstairs and asked me - "where are you going?" I thought, that it is monday today. almost went to work. :) [03:15] Action: rworkman mails macavity to the North Pole [03:15] if thats our excuse for not talking to me, then ok, fine, so be it *sniff* [03:16] and now, I'm messing thing up here :D [03:16] rworkman: with my fat ass thats gonna cost you every thing you won for stamps :P [03:16] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] *own [03:17] Action: macavity is obviously trying to make it someone *else's* problem that he is bored [03:17] ike_ (n=ike@203.115.88.171) left ##slackware. [03:18] if three times four is twelve, what is parrot times Elvis? [03:18] matt5 (n=river@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [03:18] Gorge Bush? [03:19] :) [03:19] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [03:19] :D [03:21] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:23] i *really* admire those who write 3D drivers [03:23] I am sure the pay is good too. [03:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [03:24] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:24] ive read over a couple of kernel drivers for both disk controlers and wifi chips, and that shit was *easy* compared to this clusterfuck of magic numbers and sheer amount of registers [03:25] twolf: yes, i am really glad that xorg has good funding, and that Tungsten got purchased by a company that has the money to throw after them [03:28] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] grissiom (n=grissiom@121.19.39.154) left irc: "‚»" [03:34] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:40] cindy__ (i=LIQAUT@41.236.14.185) joined ##slackware. [03:42] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [03:48] draeath (n=draeath@unaffiliated/draeath) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Hey, the 'network' script for the 12.2 installer doesn't detect my atl1e chipset ethernet, but i can load the module manually and it works fine [03:48] who/where should I make noise about this? [03:50] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:55] go to your bathroom, close the door, and make noise [03:59] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] don't forget to flush :) [04:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:01] lol. I went ahead and sent a message to info@slackware.com [04:01] anyways. thats it for me [04:01] draeath (n=draeath@unaffiliated/draeath) left irc: "leaving" [04:03] what was that about? [04:04] Action: stybla didn't get it [04:04] winux ftw? [04:07] atl1e probably doesnt autodetect (yet) [04:07] NIH, will probably be fixed by upstream, kkthxbai [04:07] it looks like i should run installer more than once in century. [04:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:08] valvola (n=val@host113-251-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:08] still, autodetection - ... [04:08] Action: stybla sighs [04:08] i'm getting old :( [04:09] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [04:10] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:12] XDS2010 (i=440e5f72@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b07dfca3647b9d54) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:13] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:13] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] thats what she said [04:14] wait what? [04:14] :D [04:14] spook: morning! [04:15] evening [04:17] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:17] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [04:23] good night [04:23] night night [04:23] lol macavity [04:23] i'm thinking about lunch :p [04:23] its 10:27 in the morning.. and i'm about to go to bed :P [04:23] talk about being a computer geek, huh? [04:23] it's 10:23 [04:24] im faster than you :P [04:24] uhm :) [04:24] or at least its been a while since i botherd to run ntp [04:25] amitav (n=amitav@122.50.134.212) joined ##slackware. [04:25] thats the only flaw of my nice Asus machine.. it gains a little when powered off [04:25] anyhow [04:25] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "zZzZzZz" [04:25] i make it 25 [04:25] cindy__ (i=LIQAUT@41.236.14.185) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:27] amitav (n=amitav@122.50.134.212) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [04:29] haha, only 2:28am here. 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[04:48] agentc0re: it's the same time in alberta, and i'm in alberta. [04:48] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-150.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:48] antler: I was just giving you shit :P [04:49] hehe i know [04:49] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:50] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:52] ok, I've installed slack12.2 on my eeepc again; I'm using fluxbox, is there a way to use applications' menu by /usr/share/applications in fluxbox? [04:52] Little problem here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/switch-is-preventing-connections-to-the-lan-699851/ [04:54] ganeshix: Are you just going to randomly post LQ links in here all night? [04:54] confrey: you can generate the menu, if that's what you mean [04:54] and how can I manage font's size in gtk applications? I've setted 96 dpi as startx option, but I have too large fonts in gtk apps [04:55] jkwood, no. It's my post, and I haven't been able to go around the problem until now. I would like to spend the few hours until down trying to solve it. [04:55] Ah, okay. My bad. [04:55] I really wish I could help. =/ [04:56] antler: but is it an automatic task? can I have adjourned menu every time I install new apps or uninstall? [04:56] ganeshix: I only read the first post and the reason why you cannot see the other pc's is that they are on totally separate networks. [04:56] agentc0re: it already is explained there ;) [04:57] ah that it is. [04:57] antler: or, more simple, is there a minimal window manager supporting freedesktop menus? [04:57] agentc0re, tnx. It's because of the switch. [04:57] *cough* [04:57] it's an evil switch... [04:57] ... [04:58] but there must be a way to set up the local network... [04:58] the two posters suggest different approaches... [04:58] i could modify the netmask... [04:59] ganeshix: Don't do that. [04:59] confrey: it's just a command one runs. fluxbox-generate-menu, i think [04:59] ganeshix: can you please say, what do you want? because reason and solution is already explained there. [04:59] ganeshix: The 3rd option of adding in a route on your gateway to allow the PC's to talk is the best way if they HAVE to be separated on different subnets like that. [05:00] ganeshix: What kind of router do you have? [05:00] i wish they could be on the same network... [05:01] Router=Belkin N [05:01] just set IPs as static ones. [05:01] Why do they have to have separate IP's? I don't understand. [05:01] Err sorry. [05:02] Why do they have to have separate subnets? [05:02] it's on the little diagram on my post: i need to place a switch because the router only has 4 ports and i need 10 outlets on that lan... [05:03] antler: ok, I did it, thanks; my goal is to obtain a minimal desktop, but with eye-candy, I like fluxbox, but I'd like to use compiz and screenlets, can I do it with fluxbox? [05:03] but i did not expect the Vista box to get an IP on a completely different network... [05:03] ganeshix: Just because you need a switch attached to your router doesn't mean you need to put things on the switch in a different subnet. [05:03] ganeshix: as agentc0re said, you dont need different subnets just because one pc is on a switch and the other is not [05:03] jinx! [05:04] 1-10 [05:04] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:05] i don't want different subnets... it's the evil switch that's doing it... [05:05] i want all the computers to be friends, in the same network... [05:05] okay, what kind of "switch" do you have. [05:05] Switch=http://www.ciao.com/Rosewill_RC_406_...orts__15362553 [05:05] page not found [05:06] does the switch have its own dhcp server or something? [05:07] hi everybody :) [05:07] i don't think so... as you can see, it's the cheapo type... [05:07] i can't see shit, page not found. [05:07] 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper [05:08] can you connect to portmapper or do anything with it directly? [05:08] ganeshix: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166007 [05:08] is that it? [05:08] confrey: i don't think you can do flux and compiz [05:08] agentc0re, yes, that's the one. [05:08] you'd be better off with xfce4 [05:09] ganeshix: my point being that it cant be your switch that is causing the pcs hooked up to it to be on a different subnet since switches operate at a layer under IP and thus have no sense of what an IP is [05:10] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:10] antler: I supposed it.... and what window manager can I use to do it? I don't want desktop environment like gnome or kde, I only need to use system tray icon, for wicd and others [05:10] ganeshix: Okay, ya this switch wouldn't be causing that. And if it is, it's defective and not working as a switch but something else. [05:10] i see... [05:10] so if the pc's hooked up to your switch are set to DHCP, then its the dhcp server (on the router ) that is giving out different subnets. But im not sure how thats possible either, since ive never seen one of those routers able to dish out ip's one more than one subnet [05:10] are you SURE none of these PC's have a manually set IP? [05:11] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:11] ganeshix: Okay, so which box is statically set or do you have two dhcp schemes fro them? [05:11] i'm sure. both are set to dhcp. [05:11] Or better yet, is your linux box acting as a freaking dhcp server? that could be screwing some shit up. [05:12] i'm not sure about other wm's, but xfce4 is light and quick, but quite aesthetically pleasing. [05:12] agentc0re, i doubt it. At least, not on my watch... [05:13] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [05:13] well, since its just one pc, set it manually and call it a day [05:13] you might want to look at your router and see what its dhcp settings are at [05:14] ganeshix: Okay because here's the deal. Most routers like yours can have multiple dhcp scopes. Your linux machine has dhcp'd one subnet and your windows a complete different subnet. So either you router CAN have multiple scopes, or something else in your network is serving out that scope. [05:15] ganeshix: To be safe, check to make sure /etc/rc.d/rc.dnsmasq isn't set to be executed. [05:16] i'll do that [05:17] or that 'pgrep dhcpd' doesnt return anything [05:17] ganeshix: don't you have more 'boxes' there, like wifi ap? [05:17] What else is in your network? Other PC's? Servers? Again like SiegeX said, check your DHCP scope on your belkin router. [05:18] dnsmasq can't be executed [05:18] ganeshix: i'd also check what SiegeX just mentioned. Thats even better than what i just said. [05:20] no dhcpd working on my slack box... [05:21] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-124-212.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:21] SiegeX, I'll try setting up the Vista box manually to an ip inside the original network... [05:21] however, it's showing the switch ip as the gateway... [05:22] so, i'll set the router's ip as the gateway... [05:22] i'll be back... [05:22] .. The switch has a management interface? [05:22] alienBOB: you wouldn't happen to be around fosdem would you? [05:24] hmm, wtf [05:24] are you sure this thing isnt a router? [05:24] cause it sounds alot like a router [05:25] switches, even managed ones, shouldnt ever be gateways becuase they dont do ip routing [05:25] that has to be whats going on [05:25] SiegeX: they do. [05:26] they do what [05:27] they do ip routing (switches) [05:27] SiegeX: not entirely true. My cisco at work acts as my router switch.. But thats because it's super expensive. :P [05:27] i just set the vista's ip statically. it got immediately disconnected. i'm rebooting there... [05:27] router & switch.. [05:27] ganeshix: Is there a web interface for this switch? [05:28] no [05:28] ok, so layer 3 switch which is basically a router without the wan port [05:28] is that what this is? [05:28] that switch, he posted, has no management. [05:28] But you just said that the gateway was set to the IP of the switch. [05:28] SiegeX: yes :) [05:29] so i would hope this is web configurable [05:29] cause i dont think hes going to learn IOS in the next few hours [05:29] the manual does not mention any configurable option. [05:29] or an IOS like language [05:29] how the hell does the switch have an IP if it doesn't have a web interface? [05:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:29] Are you sure this switch has an ip? If so, how'd it get it? [05:30] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] maybe it has a serial interface? [05:30] Hello World [05:30] SiegeX: the switch he posted has no management. [05:30] ahh, did he post the actual model? [05:30] stybla: Yeah, but he said it has an IP. [05:30] i must have missed it [05:31] if its a layer 3 switch, it has to be configurable somehow [05:31] which it's not if it's the switch from the link i posted. [05:31] and he said that was his switch. [05:31] SiegeX: it is not - http://www.ciao.com/Rosewill_RC_406_switch_8_ports__15362553 [05:31] heh, that would be the worst business model ever. Buy this model if you want the 192.168.1.0 subnet, buy this other model if you want 10.0.0.0 etc.. [05:32] ganeshix: do you have wifi ap? [05:33] the router does [05:33] Action: SiegeX scratches head, something is not as it seems [05:33] SiegeX: I agree. Something is not being told to us here. [05:34] i'll tell you everything... i swear... [05:34] ganeshix: Did you check your dhcp options on your router? [05:34] heh that reminds me of a mad tv sketch [05:34] i tell you ever tiing! [05:35] s/ever/every [05:35] LOL [05:35] i mentioned that ip for the switch because that was the ip that the Vista box was showing as the gateway. [05:35] the switch, it looka like a man [05:36] the dhcp options are simple: dhcp server on or off. [05:36] it's on [05:36] ganeshix: i wan you to paste bin ipconfig /all from windows, ifconfig from linux and IP/Subnet for internal iface on router and DHCP options. [05:36] ganeshix: Okay, if it's on it is going to give you a range to be able to set PC's to. [05:37] ok [05:38] ganeshix: oh and also route -n from linux. [05:39] and 'route PRINT' from vista [05:40] user1 (n=user1@ll62-68-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [05:41] ganeshix: http://imagebin.org/37907 [05:41] what's his current netmask? [05:41] ganeshix: See how there is a start and end? Even options for gateway and netmask. You're router should have something very similar. [05:42] stybla: Thats what we're asking for. [05:42] because ... you can setup dhcp far than 'on/off'. [05:42] i installed ati driver ; but i receive this message : aticonfig --initial > Uninitialised file found, configuring.Segmentation fault [05:43] user1: Throw away that ati card and buy an Nvidia one :P [05:43] advice worth of gold. [05:44] :D [05:44] so ? [05:44] I use to have an ATI card when i first started Slackware. I hated life every update. Since the Nvidia card, i've had no issues. It's great. Saves me the pain and was worth whatever i lost in the ATI card. [05:45] user1: I can't help you much, except point you to the ati wiki which is referenced in the download page for the drivers. There is a slackware section, and i suggest following that. [05:46] agentc0re, ok thanks ! [05:46] agentc0re, I almost have all the information. Let me get the info from the Vista box using sneakernet... [05:47] ganeshix: Okay. [05:51] Ive never had a problem with my ati cards, ( well, only once i had to use an older driver since the new one was buggy ) [05:52] the nvidia "official" graphic driver sucks. [05:52] nearly as much as the "nv" one [05:52] frullet: It's never a problem with the cards, just the drivers. Thats what makes having an ati card so painful. [05:53] Camarade_Tux: at least it has 3d support :p [05:53] Camarade_Tux: Compared to, what? [05:53] agentc0re, yeh, the drivers can be a pain in the ass from time to time [05:53] stybla, nouveau is getting 3D support and suspend too :) [05:53] didnt ati open them up? [05:54] agentc0re, suckiness is not necessarily relative ;) [05:54] but especially I don't like how unbuildable they are [05:55] That makes no sense. I just build the latest version like 2 hours ago. [05:55] Took like 1 min. [05:56] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: " " [05:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:58] try again with the kernel sources coming from a git repository (maybe a 2.6.27, but with /usr/src/linux being a git repo), it just doesn't handle the name changes due to versions, and I had to patch it twice, both were trivial patches (a struct being changed) but it took weeks for the changes to appear in the nvidia driver [05:59] Ah, you shouldn't download the sources when building it. [06:00] "download the sources" ? [06:00] Ya, it askes you if you want it to do that during the install. Say no. [06:00] just like drugs. [06:00] josemanuel (n=josemanu@133.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:00] it doesn't download anything [06:00] Maybe i am not understanding you correctly from your previous post. [06:00] Camarade_Tux: nouveau? [06:01] Camarade_Tux: oh, is getting :) [06:01] confrey_ (n=chatzill@94.162.137.211) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Action: agentc0re is tired [06:01] it's 4am.. [06:01] agentc0re, I got all the info. [06:01] Okay i am done wating.... God damn it. [06:01] http://pastebin.com/d69dcc04e [06:01] :P [06:02] you came back in the nick of time. [06:02] http://imagebin.org/37908 [06:02] stybla, and nouveau supports RandR so it's the external displays paradise :) [06:02] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039A9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:02] (I'm currently stuck with nv and it huuuuuuurts) [06:02] I hope you can help me, because I'm really suffering here... [06:03] Camarade_Tux: isn't nouveau still work in progress? [06:04] stybla, right but it's much better than nv (really, it has accel and supports more cards) [06:04] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [06:04] ganeshix: Okay, on your windows box we need to figure out what 192.168.15.1 is. so do a ping -a 192.168.15.1 and do a arp -a. [06:05] plus nvidia itself is WIP too ;) [06:05] ok: sneakernet again... [06:06] dragonfist (n=boby@202.93.37.88) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Camarade_Tux: WIP? [06:06] for the mean time, maybe you can just add a static route to the router [06:07] to tell it that 192.168.15.0/24 is that way ---> [06:07] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:07] at least your boxes will be able to talk then [06:07] stybla, Work In Progress ;p [06:07] Camarade_Tux: ah, right :) [06:07] Slackware rocks! It is way faster than Mandriva! :D [06:08] dragonfist: heh :) [06:09] I've one probem with Slackware. [06:09] i knew there was something to it. [06:09] The screen makes me feel dizzy. [06:10] It feels like it is so sharp makes my eyes tired. [06:10] lol [06:10] they goggles, zey do nothing [06:10] s/they/the [06:11] Should I change VGA card driver? [06:12] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:12] dragonfist: You could try chaning your Hz . try changing to 60hz [06:12] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Client Quit [06:12] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:13] agentc0re: How? [06:13] Are you running kde? [06:13] agentc0re: Yes. [06:14] look in your display options. I can't remember where, im not running kde atm, but you will find your resolutions with whatever hz was detected with it. [06:14] ie: 1024x768@60hz, 1024x768@70hz... and so on. [06:14] Maybe.. [06:14] Settings can also be found in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [06:15] It is on kcontrol->peripheral [06:15] There is only 61 HZ. [06:15] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Ok I'll check /etc/X11/xorg.conf again. [06:15] OH okay. Thats good. [06:16] agentc0re, http://pastebin.com/d4eb8ceb1 [06:17] tribeca (n=naitso@87.13.47.113) joined ##slackware. [06:17] Okay here comes the fun part. you need to find which machine has this MAC, 00-22-69-8c-a5-6a [06:18] Is that hz thing is on monitor section? [06:18] ganeshix: do a arp -a on your linux machine. [06:18] yes, let me pastebin what i have for ya. [06:19] agentc0re, "router (192.168.2.1) at 00:1C:DF:E2:61:F3 [ether] on eth0" [06:19] dragonfist: http://pastebin.learnix.net/13 [06:19] user1 (n=user1@ll62-68-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) left irc: "Leaving" [06:19] ganeshix: Okay, it's not your router. [06:19] ganeshix: once you find the machine with that mac, thats the one giving you that trouble. [06:20] at this moment, there are only two machines on this network... [06:21] ganeshix: http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/?string=00-22-69-8c-a5-6a [06:22] ganeshix: only one device is plugged into that switch? [06:22] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [06:22] haha, so there is something else on the network :) [06:23] confrey (n=chatzill@94.162.173.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:23] stybla: Has to be. [06:23] agentc0re: yeh, we had similar situation here too. [06:26] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [06:30] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-328723.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:35] dragonfist (n=boby@202.93.37.88) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:35] dragonfis1 (n=boby@202.93.37.88) joined ##slackware. [06:35] agentc0re: Thanks! [06:36] e45645 (n=e45645@ll62-68-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [06:36] dragonfis1: did that fix it? [06:37] agentc0re: Yes, actually. [06:37] ganeshix_ (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:37] This is my first time using "actually" word. [06:37] Well that's good news! :) [06:38] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:38] this is getting creepy... [06:38] ? [06:38] I installed ATI driver using fgrlx driver but i receive this error when i run aticonfig --initial : Uninitialised file found, configuring. Segmentation fault [06:38] what can i do? is the switch haunted? [06:39] ganeshix_: What else is plugged into that switch? [06:39] i think there is something else. leme look again... [06:40] how I can add information for ATI driver on xorg.config mannually [06:41] e45645: edit the xorg.conf? [06:41] agentc0re, how [06:41] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:42] e45645: edit it with vim or any editor of your choice. You will need to do it as root though. [06:42] under device you should see "driver". thats where, "ati" would go. [06:43] ganeshix_: what else is plugged into network? [06:43] Nick change: sahko -> scion [06:43] agentc0re, there is an ATA from Vonage (phone) [06:43] Nick change: scion -> sahko [06:43] Nick change: sahko -> scion [06:44] ganeshix_: Here's my last suggestion before i go to bed. You could unplug the switch from your router, and repair the windows connection so it will redhcp or do a /release /renew. If it still pulls an IP, it's getting it from something on that switch. [06:44] ganeshix_: what is an ATA? [06:44] Nick change: scion -> sahko [06:44] I bet you that sucker is serving DHCP for your IP phone. [06:44] ATA = Analogue Terminal Adapter Connects an Analogue Telephone to a VOIP network [06:44] agentc0re, i know but what i have edit [06:45] there we go. [06:45] finally. [06:45] e45645: ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf [06:46] On that note, i am done for the night. See you all in like 6-8 hours :P [06:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [06:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-1.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:46] agentc0re, I'm a little slowed due to sleep deprivation. Let me see if I'm getting it right: unplug the switch; then the Vista box will be disconnected.... [06:46] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-154-105.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [06:47] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:47] then connect the vista box directly to the router? [06:47] and repair the connection? [06:47] ganeshix_: how's ATA connected to network? [06:48] through the switch [06:48] disconnect ATA from the network and try to repair connection at Vista machine. [06:48] dragonfis1 (n=boby@202.93.37.88) left ##slackware. [06:48] ok, i'll do that. 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[07:03] I can't believe it!!! [07:04] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-1.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:04] this is embarrasing [07:05] :) [07:06] Pig_Pen: that's a good one [07:09] glad you like it [07:12] i been hearing on the news that in Australia there are some really bad fires [07:12] indeed.. [07:12] heaps of people burnt to crisp [07:12] yup [07:13] I can see the smoke, lucky I don't live in the country side [07:14] it was the hottest day recorded 46.4c w/e what works out to.. pretty dang hot [07:14] Pig_Pen, 38 people have died so far in the fires [07:14] i think its double that frullet [07:15] yeh, im guessing now it would be [07:15] any relief would help, i take several cool showers or baths a day during hot weather [07:15] some woman left her kennel of dogs to burn to death, what a piece of shit [07:16] at the farmer's market they have those metal water troffs for watering livestock, i may buy one this summer and put it in the back yard and fill it with water to cool off [07:27] awesome, think my external just carked it =/ [07:30] frullet (n=root@124-168-154-105.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [07:31] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:32] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-267e47b8fa5e77ea) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:34] heret|c_ (n=heretic@adsl-232-63-140.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:35] gui_ap (n=gui_ap@201-95-13-39.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:36] rapid: send some heat over here :( [07:38] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-232-63-140.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] it has been unusally warm here, the normal temps is supposed to be in the 30s or 40s farenheight, but it has been in the 60s & 70s F' the last few days [07:40] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [07:41] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:41] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] Pig_Pen: still, 60 isn't that high to start the fire, is it? [07:55] the dead grasses & weeds in winter burn easily, i keep my land cleared so there is nothing to burn [07:55] e2kb (n=e2kb@201-25-248-22.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:56] i see. [07:57] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-216.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [07:58] all it takes is one person to toss a burning cigarette out their automobile while driving by [07:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-328723.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:59] ganeshix_ (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:02] probably some turist. [08:03] kama (n=kama@host176-103-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039A9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:15] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03BBC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [09:15] yup, audacious is a piece of crap, thats why i am sticking with xmms for audio [09:17] I should be writing mine but I don't have much time [09:17] =/ [09:17] but I think I'll be using ffplay now :p [09:18] mp3blaster is good but it only does mp3 files, i would like to see a text mode (ncurses) audio player that handles all types of audio files [09:20] a friend of mine switched to mpc/mpd [09:22] midnight commander will use file associations to launch audio & video files in to play [09:23] but it uses what you already have installed, mpg321, & etc... [09:23] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:23] brb, coffee time [09:27] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [09:27] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. 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[09:50] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [09:51] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-145-20.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [09:52] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) joined ##slackware. [10:02] qneo (n=kneo@adsl-dyn182.91-127-243.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:03] googling for "donation system" yields : http://www.brunching.com/oralsexdonation.html ^^ [10:04] qneo (n=kneo@adsl-dyn63.91-127-238.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:05] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:07] hehe, Camarade_Tux. google is weird. [10:09] What is the default block size for the dd command? [10:09] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] anyway, I was looking for the name of the website that gives you a widget to embed on your website and showing the progression of donations up to a certain goal, it's quite popular afaict, any idea ? [10:13] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:14] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-156-116-36.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:15] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] nope, sorry. [10:19] i could whip up a cgi script like that for a small fee :) [10:22] Soul_keeper, hehe, I found out that specific one seemed to make people donate more :p [10:22] but anyway, by the time I would like to set that up, I'll surely stumble upon it again :) [10:23] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] yay now i have sound in mythtv [10:25] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.149.12.180) joined ##slackware. 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[10:40] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:41] muraii[]work (n=muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) left irc: "leaving" [10:41] i'm not too swift with linux but man, i've been going around in circles for weeks with this situation [10:42] Camarade_Tux: doesn't PP have something like this? [10:43] stybla, PP ? [10:44] bah, my nfs install keeps freezing... it's been going at least a full 12hrs and it's only on bind! [10:44] Camarade_Tux: Pay Pal. [10:46] stybla, dunno, but it feels like people don't like to donate through paypal [10:48] Camarade_Tux: some blackbox in the corner pub is better? [10:48] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Camarade_Tux: i mean, is there something more secure than PP-like transfer? [10:52] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:53] bah!! this is just annoying now [11:01] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host54-72-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:01] anyone use linksys wrt100/110? [11:03] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [11:03] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:06] stybla, right, I'll sure check the safety first ;) [11:06] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] matte3 (n=matte3@bim49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:09] hi [11:10] HTC Touch Diamond you think thats good fone? [11:10] Camarade_Tux: i'm just wondering what's wrong with such way of donation. [11:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:12] hey all, I'm installing slackware 12.2 over NFS on a network machine, but it's taking FOREVER!! literally been installing since 2300 (it's now 1600!!) it keeps getting stuck on one package or another for no obvious reason.... NFS is up and fine, iso mounted, I can ping both ways.... any one got any suggestions about what might be holdin things up? [11:20] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:21] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl126-41.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:23] theblackbox: Have you checked the ISOs MD5sum so it's not broken? [11:23] yeah [11:24] the only thing I know for sure could be screwed is the disc I'm booting the networked machine from... it's an old 12.1 that's pretty ruffed up [11:24] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [11:24] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-228.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] but I wouldn't have expected that to cause a problem once I'd got to this stage [11:25] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:26] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-250.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] I don't know what could be wrong. Let's wait for a pro ;-) [11:26] SupernalTriad (n=Supernal@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:26] SupernalTriad kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Douchebag [11:27] lol, go slackboy [11:27] kjell, I doubt they could help, ws a bit of a long shot - something ppointlessly esoteric is going on here =S [11:28] is it a particular package, or just all of them extremely slow? [11:28] it seems a lot of them are pretty slow [11:29] it got stuck on guten.... text? last night, then bind this morning [11:29] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [11:29] i've never done an nfs install, but even http/ftp would have finished by now O.o [11:29] yeah [11:29] it's infuriating [11:30] which package set is it on ? [11:30] hmm i have done nfs installs in the past. but they pretty much move along smoothly [11:30] heck even installing my laptop of 'b'-wireless would not take that long . [11:30] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] I've never done an nfs install. Maybe the roughed up 12.1 CD is the culprit? [11:32] possibly.... not got a burner to make another though =S [11:32] hmm.... got a usb boot.... [11:32] Action: theblackbox wonders why he didn't try that earlier! [11:32] well, is it nearing completion? [11:32] theblackbox: have you also checked all the packages that they are okay. (ie md5sums, asc verified) [11:32] thrice`, it's still stuck on dhcp [11:33] ALL the packages!! give me some of that legendary coffee of yours BP{k} and I'll see if I can get it done before work tomorrow =P [11:34] i'm guessing it's network related, and not the media. but, of course, that's a wild guess :) [11:34] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [11:34] hmm... I'm currently booted into this system using my usb which is mounted: usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) [11:34] there won't be any issues umounting that will there? [11:36] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:39] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03BBC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:39] stybla, there's nothing _wrong_ with it but I find myself less inclined to donate when it's through the big paypal corp [11:40] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:40] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Camarade_Tux: hm. [11:42] i've said -like, but okay. [11:42] (as there is not only PP, at least here). [11:44] well, banks are quite blood-sucking here, so making it wire - 10USD and add like 100USD to it :) [11:44] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-228.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:44] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:44] stybla: lol [11:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-77-55.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [11:47] well, cruel truth. [11:47] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:48] but i'm pretty sure it's funny to all ->west from this country. [11:48] somebody have htc device ? [11:49] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] greetings and salutations [11:50] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. 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[12:52] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-170-142.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:54] agentc0re: hopefully it got sorted out [12:54] :) [12:55] battlemi1get (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: No route to host [12:55] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.213.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] lw0x15_: Hopefully. [12:56] Hi everyone, I'm facing a sort of dilemma with regards to installing 12.2 [12:56] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-78.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:57] My university configures wireless networking only for Windows and Mac machines (yeah :\), but of course I'd rather be using a linux system [12:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-184.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Given a laptop with approximately 1 GB of RAM and an 80 GB hard disk, would you deem it wise to install slackware under virtualbox and run it over my windows system? [12:58] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] epinav: the other way around would be better ;) [13:00] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [13:00] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Yeah I would much prefer it that way, but I'm sort of worried about how the wireless configuration would go if I were to do that [13:02] epinav: what's there to worry about [13:02] ? [13:02] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:03] I'm not sure they'd be able to set it up correctly if I had windows running in a virtual machine [13:03] dusty (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:03] They're not the most open-minded administrators I guess :p [13:03] Action: stybla looks around [13:04] how about dual-boot then? [13:04] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:04] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:04] i just don't get it, sorry :\ [13:04] don't you have login to wifi or something? [13:05] That's my set up now (with 12.0), the idea is I want the advantage of using linux on the internet [13:05] i mean, your school admin has to set it up for you? [13:05] Yeah, exactly [13:05] sucks [13:05] your school network sucks :( [13:06] Tell me about it :p [13:06] I don't have the settings otherwise I would have set it up on linux myself [13:06] And I won't break policy to get them [13:06] umm what do you need to know? a wep-key? just tell him: type it here. and that's it. [13:06] It's some crazy WPA-TKIP with MS-CHAP2 or something :s [13:07] closed network for some reason [13:07] Kool-Aid (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:07] wpa* is reasonable. [13:07] LOL http://failblog.org/2009/02/04/translation-fail-3/ [13:07] but isn't CHAP user auth? [13:08] stybla: Yes, it is. [13:08] I really don't understand how it works at all [13:08] It just auto-connects when I'm in range [13:09] wpa supplicant then. well, anyway with WPA-TKIP in the house. [13:09] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.210) joined ##slackware. [13:10] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [13:10] Nick change: Dinde -> me238 [13:10] I do that same style of authentication for my work. [13:10] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.136.69) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] Nick change: me238 -> Dinde [13:11] using something like wicd (graphical, anyway), i'd try it :) [13:11] i'm still in 'the planning' stage :\ [13:11] I have to have a radius server that controls who is able to login. So i setup the radius server to only allow people inside of my wireless group, and then setup the wireless on the machines to use PEAP. [13:11] yeah [13:11] agentc0re: I'm pretty sure you just described what I've got [13:12] The trouble is, that the machines wont auto detect peap. So that requires manual intervention. [13:12] But I'm not familiar with it so I wouldn't know how to obtain the settings to configure wpa supplicant [13:12] epinav: Look up linux wpa peap [13:13] maybe there are some how to's. [13:13] epinav: reading man? [13:13] Oh, here's a nice one about configuring it on windows. I'll read that and then the [13:14] *information for linux [13:14] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:15] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4F2A1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:16] epinav: Well i could tell you how to do it on windows, just not in linux. [13:17] That's ok, I expect I'll be digging around on the web anyway [13:17] Gadotti (n=x@189.72.112.26) joined ##slackware. [13:17] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] but I was wondering if it would be worth it, or if I should just stick 12.2 in virtualbox, would that be a good experience? [13:19] Gadotti (n=x@189.72.112.26) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1219 /HARDFAIL [13:20] it really is up to you, epinav. WPA* works with wpa-supplicant. [13:20] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:21] http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ [13:22] peap / mschap v2 is supported [13:22] problem solved. [13:22] was there a problem? [13:22] hehe, that's cool [13:22] if he has intel or atheros, there is no discussion. [13:22] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/wlanconnection-wpa2-eappeapmschapv2-how-to-configure-633456/ [13:23] Wow [13:23] mikeym (n=mmk@96.53.128.204) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Weird, i found that in only seconds. [13:23] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:23] agentc0re: surprised? [13:23] :) [13:23] stybla: maybe :P [13:23] LOL [13:23] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:23] eileen (n=nukedclx@aejb247.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:24] epinav: setup a vbox, and see if you can get it working. [13:24] agentc0re: you know, example wpa-supplicant.conf speaks for itself ;) [13:24] tribeca (n=naitso@87.13.47.113) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [13:24] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.169) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Thanks you guys, I'll try both approaches and see if I get anywhere [13:24] stybla: Heh, i've never seen it. I guess i could have looked at that too eh? I've actually never setup wireless in linux. [13:25] Nick change: straterr1 -> straterra [13:26] agentc0re: if you have need to do so, but i'd say - not really. [13:26] agentc0re: i've meant it like - it's really easy and i'm not surprised about how-to_s [13:26] stybla: Gotcha. [13:27] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net expired. [13:27] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:28] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb247.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:28] agentc0re: i'd be worried about wireless card support under linux in the first place ;) [13:29] Lucky I've got an intel card [13:29] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [13:31] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [13:32] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] bpx (i=Snake@unaffiliated/bpx) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[13:54] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Tell360 (n=76570347@119.101.227.160) left irc: [13:56] you install the tor package, setup firefox to use it as a socks proxy and enable socks_remote_dns in about:config [13:57] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [13:57] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [13:58] nullboy (i=nullboy@gateway/tor/x-8f09ba87c0a1f2a4) joined ##slackware. [13:59] nullboy: fail! :P [13:59] haven't used this account for a while. still had autojoin on [13:59] no love :( [14:00] well someone said Tor so i just had to sport my Torified mask [14:00] amora (n=lady@201009167219.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-131.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:00] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-90.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] epinav (i=d997e01d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6271b17e9a121393) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:01] fred: I was at a remembrance mass for my father today... had no opportunity to visit FOSDEM unfortunately [14:02] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] giuppy (n=giuppy@host36-171-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [14:03] anrxc what about extensions.torbutton.saved.socks_remote_dns [14:03] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] let it off ? [14:04] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [14:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.42) joined ##slackware. [14:06] torbutton is not a must-have, btw SwitchProxy is a nicer way to control and switch among multiple proxies [14:07] well is not working on me... [14:08] what, tor or the extension? [14:08] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [14:09] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:09] i can't surfing with tor... can't open any sites... [14:10] are you sure tor is running? and log did not report any problems? [14:10] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.77.154) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] if it is then you setup firefox like this: for the socks proxy you enter 127.0.0.1 port 9050, and mark the socks v5 checkbox [14:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "banho" [14:11] where to enter that ? [14:12] Nick change: battlemi2get -> battlemidget [14:12] firefox proxy settings or in torbutton/switchproxy settings [14:13] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.77.154) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] qneo_ (n=kneo@adsl-dyn123.91-127-60.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:14] qneo (n=kneo@adsl-dyn63.91-127-238.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:14] what do you mean you can't open any sites? are you getting an error message or are you just expecting the same loading speeds as non Tor proxied browsing? [14:15] moyia (n=moyia@ppp-94-67-39-13.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:15] because you won't get that [14:15] mrselfpwn (n=root@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Hi in new in slackware and looking for somehelp with Ati drivers installation any1 can help? [14:16] what is the best way to connect to a device on the rs232 (9 pin) port ? [14:16] mrselfpwn: minicom [14:16] nullboy Proxy Server Refused Connection [14:16] k [14:17] wen i turn on tor i can't surfing... [14:17] tntslack: then something is not setup correctly. check prixovy [14:17] privoxy [14:17] in fact i bet i know exactly what you missed [14:18] well this is the config that i made [14:18] https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/PrivoxyConfig [14:18] you don't need privoxy with firefox 3 [14:19] if you don't want to cache and filter ads etc. [14:19] who said i don't use Tor with other programs [14:19] bughunter2 (n=jg@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [14:20] i don't think that privoxy block the connection [14:20] hey, can anyone help me setting up (open)JDK on slackware? [14:20] can some1 help plz or there is any other channel that i can get some help about ati driver installation in slackware 12.2? [14:20] that's beside the point, he has no idea if even tor works right now and he slaps privoxy on top of it... maybe he'll get it all to work by this time tomorrow [14:20] i've googled around but can't really find good info on it [14:20] sorry if that sounds noobish [14:20] moyia: you need to try yourself first and then come back and tell us what you have done [14:20] Feb 08 21:07:53.390 [notice] Tor has successfully opened a circuit. Looks like client functionality is working. [14:21] anrxc is that correct ? [14:21] nullboy, im trying it the last 6hours.... [14:21] moyia: yeah so tell us where you're stuck then [14:22] Error: unable to open display (null) [14:22] what have you done to get this far? we can't read minds [14:23] nullboy, i used minicom before and it gave me an error that device is locked. I was using mandriva so i though it was a permission error, so now i'm in backtrack and it seems as though it will do the same thing. Minicom is not accepting key inputs either. [14:24] sec i think somethink i miss [14:24] mrselfpwn: you need to configure ti first [14:24] it [14:24] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:24] minicom nullboy? [14:24] nvm found it [14:24] bughunter2 (n=jg@77.164.66.126) left ##slackware. [14:24] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [14:24] mrselfpwn: yes, minicom -s [14:25] thank you [14:27] amixer set Master 10%- [14:27] ops, sorry [14:30] moyia: i usually download the driver from ati.com and run the script. how did you install your driver? [14:30] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:30] thats what i have done also [14:30] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [14:31] moyia: did you type: aticonfig --initial after the driver was installed? [14:31] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:31] antler, Yes [14:31] amora (n=lady@201009167219.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:31] moyia --initial -f [14:31] ok [14:31] -f = force? [14:32] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-0448144e993ac176) joined ##slackware. [14:32] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] ati's always been good on slackware (for me) [14:33] antler, i notice that i have the same error without atidriver installed .. [14:33] antler, unable to open display [14:34] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [14:34] aliase (n=aliase@206-248-160-216.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [14:34] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:35] link the current atisysteminforeport? [14:36] moyia: so you've just finished installing slack and can't get into x? [14:36] antler, no i can get in x Without ati driver [14:36] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:37] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-90.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:37] but with ati driver up :/ [14:37] "same error without atidriver installed" [14:37] yes [14:37] moyia did you use -f ? [14:37] yes [14:37] what graphic you have? [14:37] try to install the old version... [14:38] not 9.1 [14:38] sapphire 2400 xt [14:38] try 8.13 [14:38] i need to put a line for shm to fstab to work this driver. [14:38] confrey (n=chatzill@94.162.137.211) joined ##slackware. [14:38] tntslack, i google it :) [14:39] hi everybody [14:39] but is to slow [14:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-147.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] fstab does not help for driver... [14:40] nullboy, I only have one seriel port. will it most likely be ttyS1?. I am reading the configuration for the device and it tells me to set it to 9600 8n1. [14:40] I can't compile compiz-bcop, using Slackbuild, and I don't know what to do, one of errors is : /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36:26: error: linux/limits.h: No such file or dire [14:40] ctory [14:41] and i did set it to 9600 8n1 [14:41] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:41] mrselfpwn: ttyS0 [14:41] look in dmesg [14:41] thank you again [14:41] okay [14:41] keanne (n=riken@125.5.136.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] i make a dmesg at take this line from the driver http://pastebin.com/d4a5fd4c what this mean? [14:44] nothing, i'm looking in dmesg and their doesn't seem to be anything relevant there [14:44] i set it to ttyS0 [14:44] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:45] It is actually a device to link into a card reader. [14:45] mrselfpwn: dmesg | grep tty [14:46] is this a USB serial port? [14:46] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A 00:07: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [14:46] ah bingo [14:46] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] no standard [14:46] yep [14:46] though i do have a usb option as well [14:46] :) [14:47] what is your synopsis? [14:47] for what? [14:47] connect that bish [14:48] lmao [14:48] :/ [14:48] i don't know how [14:48] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [14:49] i mean, i do, though it's not reading on that port [14:49] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] what is the other device? [14:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-170-142.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:49] moyia (n=moyia@ppp-94-67-39-13.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] it is a card reader [14:50] the mid device is a box with inputs on both sides, one a rs232, the other is to connect to the card reader [14:50] a serial card reader? [14:51] so you're not trying to get a login [14:51] right [14:51] there will be some daemon or program then [14:51] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [14:51] proprietary? [14:51] my serial gps units, for example, are not tty devices so they have a control daemon [14:51] okay [14:52] just get a usb card reader [14:52] they "just work" [14:52] no bro [14:52] nullboy: you got time to look at something? [14:52] bra! [14:52] this is an actual card reader [14:52] werd [14:52] spmd (i=N95@189.3.46.205) joined ##slackware. [14:52] bra! [14:52] lol [14:52] oh you mean a card swipe thing? [14:52] like a mag card [14:52] *brofist* [14:52] nullboy: you got time to look at something? [14:52] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] proximity, when you put a badge up to it it lets you in a door [14:53] antler: pastebin it and show us all [14:53] http://pastebin.ca/1330975 [14:53] mrselfpwn: rfid? [14:53] qneo_ (n=kneo@adsl-dyn123.91-127-60.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] radio frequency yes [14:53] nullboy: ezzii [14:53] =] [14:53] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [14:53] lol [14:54] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-213-17.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] how are you? [14:54] pretty much the same thing as what macavity was helping me with last night [14:55] acidchild: good good, drinking tea in bed still...lazy sunday [14:55] i found a world available flash BBC 1/2 stream [14:55] so i'm watching BBC2 its awesome <3 [14:55] cosmosy (i=amg@unaffiliated/cosmosy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:55] nullboy: saammee [14:55] i don't mind calling wpa_supplicant manually, but that leaves a root terminal open whenever i'm online [14:56] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [14:56] antler: i use screen for wpa [14:56] antler: if you don't mind manual running just background it then [14:56] hehe [14:56] daemonize [14:56] from the dmesg it finds it [14:56] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl126-41.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [14:56] yeah '-d' [14:56] do you think i need software to access it? [14:57] or is there a setting i'm missing [14:57] antler i use wired for that ;) [14:57] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] mrselfpwn: i think i don't know enough about that device to suggest anything else [14:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-147.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] okay, thank you for the help you have given [14:57] tntslack: i was close to drilling a hole in my window frame to run some wires :P [14:57] np [14:58] skatar (n=lupin@host229-36-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:58] antler xaxa [14:58] slaptget [14:58] acidchild: i've never really needed screen for anything... [14:58] :o [14:58] advance user :P [14:59] cosmosy (i=amg@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] nullboy: background, as in put it in a script somewhere? [14:59] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [14:59] antler: no just use '-d' [14:59] lol [14:59] OH! [14:59] hahaha [15:00] brb [15:01] cosmosy (i=amg@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] nullboy what about tor, any idea? [15:02] what about tor? :-P [15:02] U-Neeks (n=hell@200-193-227-203.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:02] nullboy: check the link i sent you =O [15:02] tor tor! [15:02] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Looks around for terminal..." [15:03] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [15:03] anonymous surfing [15:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@87.13.101.205) joined ##slackware. [15:04] skatar (n=lupin@host229-36-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] Action: acidchild doesn't like tor [15:04] i use to run a end point. 3TB/aday [15:04] cosmosy (i=amg@unaffiliated/cosmosy) joined ##slackware. [15:04] 99% of it is crappy warez [15:06] nullboy, now I get "Device /dev/ttyS0 is locked." when i run minicom [15:06] k adding -d did nothing. i still gotta keep that terminal open [15:06] probly -D then [15:06] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "rtw" [15:06] root@cid:~# wpa_supplicant -h |grep daemon -B = run daemon in the background [15:07] :) [15:07] thanks for your help thus far, it's just that i'm at whits end with this thing [15:07] thanks guys trying it [15:07] wits* [15:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.210) left irc: "Leaving" [15:09] Philadelphia (i=bono@118-160-160-109.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] mrselfpwn (n=root@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] antler: its -B btw. [15:13] acidchild: yeah. i was looking at the help. -B is not giving me love either. [15:13] "operation not supported" [15:15] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [15:17] how annoying w/e [15:17] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] indeed. [15:18] hey how's weather in to? [15:18] warm, warm, warm here [15:18] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [15:18] acidchild ^^ [15:19] warm here too, i have the window open and a fan pushing air around [15:19] where are you Pig_Pen ? [15:19] oklahoma, southeast part of the state [15:19] 7C in calgary. t-shirt weather. [15:21] it is in the mid 70s F' here [15:23] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:23] antler: i'm not sure, i went to the store, seemed fine [15:25] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [15:26] think i'll change the oil in my car today [15:26] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] moyia (n=foinikas@ppp-94-67-39-13.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:26] alo agian [15:27] moyia: any luck? [15:27] yes i found what is wrong [15:27] fglrx: Unknown symbol pci_disable_msi [15:27] fglrx: Unknown symbol pci_enable_msi [15:27] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.108.114) joined ##slackware. [15:27] uva (i=bono@118-168-234-205.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:27] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:28] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-220.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] need to rebuilt the kernel probably... [15:28] was it a fresh install? [15:28] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] yes [15:29] i install 12.2 this afternoon i fix all acept this [15:29] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [15:30] even my dlink wireless usb stick work :) but not my graphic card :/ [15:32] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Looks around for terminal..." [15:33] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:35] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb247.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:35] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [15:35] moyia: for what you live? kill yourself!!! [15:35] antler, is any chance the problem coming from the pcie?i think fglrx is using his own driver? [15:37] huh? fglrx IS the driver [15:37] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "if i am lucky there will be sexy chicks at the gym, then i will be motivated :o" [15:37] Starchaser, i try and failed [15:38] antler, yep [15:38] have you looked at your xorg.conf? [15:38] moyia: you are the pice of shit. kill yourself DO IT!!!! [15:39] Starchaser: *stab* [15:39] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] If you can't be polite, be quiet. [15:39] s/polite/useful/ [15:39] i dont understand rtorrent. torrents marked as low priority keep getting more bandwidth than the high ones. even though both have tons of peers [15:39] antler, in xorg.conf try to load the fglrx and he return the fglrx: Unknown symbol pci_disable_msi [15:39] ban that asshole [15:40] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [15:40] i am still poor! i did not win the lottery :( [15:40] moyia: did you try an earlier version as was suggested by someone else earlier? [15:41] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:42] antler, no because 8.12 makes my card to slow in games [15:43] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.3.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Meh. Slack locked up on me earlier. [15:55] right and what were you doing? [15:55] "i was installing using rpm -i" [15:55] Compiling mplayer. Every distribution locks up me. So I figure it either has to be a kernel related problem or my hardware is faulty. [15:56] did you get the builds from slackbuilds.org for mplayer? [15:56] Yes. [15:56] it's not the builds..it is your system [15:56] I finished building it just now and it segfaulted. [15:56] lol [15:56] memory [15:56] or just a shitty system [15:57] are you the guy who was told by another channel to get a new motherboard? [15:57] Yes. [15:57] :o [15:57] ..... [15:57] In #debian. [15:57] hahaha [15:57] you have a shitty system [15:57] How do you figure? [15:58] If it doesn't lock up on a different operating system (i.e. not linux), how can it be my system? [15:58] oh i don't know...the segfault sort of lead me to this...considering the mplayer works fine for hundreds of other people that use the same build scripts [15:58] sajes: because those other operating system will let themselves corrupt themselves [15:59] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Memtest86 said my memory was fine, anyway. I know that isn't 100% certain, but it's something. [15:59] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [15:59] moyia: there is an frglx build on slackbuils.org [16:00] you're not the only one using mplayer though and it works fine under slackware [16:00] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:00] or you can do ./ati-driver-installer-9-1-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Slackware/All [16:00] i blame some aspect of your system. either drivers or memory [16:00] moyia: it takes the version that matches your kernel and repack it.. read the README on how to make it integrate properly with the onboard mesa install [16:00] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-59-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] I use nv modules for my video card. [16:01] macavity, kk [16:01] And the only errors in dmesg are about my shitty sony dvdrom. [16:01] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:01] nullboy, how did you set up irssi to use tor? I keep getting timeout and connection drops... [16:01] moyia: MY BAD, it is not up for 12.2 yet [16:01] dive: i don't run irssi [16:02] ah [16:02] i hate irssi [16:02] moyia: that should indicate to you that there is someting wrong.... [16:02] nullboy, xchat? [16:02] moyia: slackbuilds.org has always provided nvidia and ATI repackage scripts.. i dont know why the ATI stuff currently is our of order [16:03] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] moyia: can "radeon" or "radonhd" give you any mojo while this is being worked on? [16:03] i use pidgin with irc plugins [16:03] makes it usable [16:03] pidgin and finch [16:03] nullboy: dont be a hater now :P [16:04] nullboy: And I was able to compile the kernel 15 times in a row without problems. [16:04] hey i don't care what you guys use but for me irssi is simply a big pain in the butt [16:04] sec gona try 8.12 with plug and play enable as some1 suggest says that this solve some problems brb [16:04] sajes: ok whatever [16:04] i really could careless [16:04] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] you're system is segfaulting while hundreds of others use mplayer just fine [16:04] your* [16:05] moyia (n=foinikas@ppp-94-67-39-13.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:05] it's not the mplayer build or script i can tell you that much [16:06] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [16:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Just locked up again. I'll memtest86 again tonight, but I don't think it'll yield any different results. I'll probably end up needing to build a new machine anyway. ;( [16:08] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "fui correr" [16:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:11] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Client Quit [16:14] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] AEnima1577 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Can someone who has http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/slib/ read the top lines of their script for slib @ /usr/bin/slib and see if the SlackBuild directory is hard coded into the top of their binary like this: http://pastebin.com/d75a766a4 pleaase? [16:16] SCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH=/tmp/SBo/package-slib/usr/lib/slib/ <--- taht line there [16:20] linkinpork (i=test@88.242.162.20) joined ##slackware. [16:23] someone screwed up the slackbuild, you would be better off building that the old fashioned way [16:23] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [16:24] nope, my bad, the slackbuild does not look obviously bad [16:25] yes, that is borked up [16:26] no, rworkman approved it [16:26] so it pretty much have to be a subtle error [16:26] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.149.12.180) left irc: "off to google this &$$#@ cingular aircard" [16:26] Old_Fogie: try ./configure --help [16:26] Old_Fogie: and see if it there is a --scheme-library-path= [16:27] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [16:27] The upstream maintainer of slib has no idea how Makefiles work. [16:27] wow... you need to hand hack the Makefile [16:27] yep [16:29] yup, i was just looking at slib's Makefile, it does support DESTDIR so rolling it by hand wont be a problem [16:29] btw, why do we run --strip-unneded on exacutables? [16:29] 's|SCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH=\$(DESTDIR)|SCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH=|' Makefile should work [16:29] macavity: make em smaller [16:29] thrice`: i --strip-all [16:30] thrice`: and --strip-unneded on .so files [16:30] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-119-183-187.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] ecelis (i=ecelis@otaku.freeshell.org) joined ##slackware. [16:31] it still screws up the /usr/bin/slib thing at lines starting at 110 (SCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH) [16:31] Z_God (n=Z_God@main.actualweb.es) joined ##slackware. [16:31] it is still pointing to /usr/local even if you edit the Makefile to go to /usr [16:33] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:33] I'm completely reworking the Makefile to introduce some sanity to it. [16:33] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:33] use sed like a man [16:34] rworkman, ah ok [16:34] Or like jkwood. [16:34] heh [16:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:38] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Success [16:40] what is the name of program in kde for cpu load? [16:40] graph [16:41] Nick change: wahcordian|Work -> wahcordian [16:43] you would think software developers at MIT would build their stuff better than that [16:43] pupit, ksysguard? [16:43] no, [16:43] something other [16:43] some other name [16:43] Screw this. [16:43] at least most of stallman's stuff is good, (except for emacs) [16:43] rworkman, no good? [16:43] Old_Fogie: Add these two lines somewhere after "make install": [16:44] # The Makefile is braindead [16:44] sed "s%$PKG%%g" $PKG/usr/bin/slib [16:44] er, sed -i [16:45] That Makefile needs a wholesale rewrite, and I don't feel like doing it. I've wasted too much time already. [16:45] rworkman, ok [16:46] rworkman, I s'pose that's going to be issued by SBo too? or yank slib out of repo then? [16:48] February 13th, UNIX Time Will Reach 1234567890 [16:49] and... ... its going to be a Friday the 13th [16:49] ok, I'll try again [16:49] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Pig_Pen: beers will be required [16:50] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.232) left ##slackware. [16:50] rworkman, what's that sed? it looks scary, is slib a binary? [16:50] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] I'm trying to compile compiz-bcop on a eeepc 1000H with slack12.2; I have some error about limits.h, I pasted all here : http://pastebin.com/m22f72096 can anybody help me? [16:51] cold beer sounds good [16:51] tntslack (n=will@adsl69-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] eviljames (i=6031516b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22a71e921fe5db6c) joined ##slackware. [16:52] yep:) [16:52] confrey: your going to try running compiz on an EEE [16:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-143.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:54] I've already compiz, from 12.2, I'd like to use ccsm too, salckbuilds.org tell me a strict order oof compilation, it starts from compiz-bcop [16:55] confrey: is that the GMA950 or the GMA500 version? [16:55] confrey: lspci | grep VGA | grep 965? [16:56] macavity: 945GME [16:56] that will not fly [16:56] period [16:56] trust me.... [16:56] macavity: excuse but I don't mean what are you saying [16:57] i945 will not do compiz satisfactory [16:57] macavity: compiz-fusion runs very nicely even on ancient intel chips. [16:57] macavity: that's patently false. [16:58] eviljames: if you know something here, let me know, cause i have been banging my head aginst this for a *long* time, and recent updates (12.1 and 12.2) has effectively killed the performance [16:58] bpx (i=Snake@unaffiliated/bpx) left irc: "AnacønÐa · "If anything can't go wrong, it will anyway"" [16:58] really? [16:59] Old_Fogie: you around? [16:59] macavity: I haven't seen any problems, I have intel chips on every single computer in my house. [16:59] eviljames: pastebing xorg.conf? [16:59] *pastebin [16:59] macavity: all onboard stuff for cheap computers :) [16:59] macavity: Ihave already compiz working, cube, composite and so on; I need only ccsm to configure it [17:00] Action: macavity is a little bewildered [17:00] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [17:00] nachox: no, it's a script. [17:00] macavity: Depending on the chip, you may want to change the AccelMethod [17:00] Old_Fogie: it will be in the next update [17:00] ive been building git of xorg/mesa/drm/dri2/intel for a while, and it only gets worse and worse [17:00] Older ones (iirc) work better as XAA, whereas newer ones work better as EXA [17:01] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [17:01] eviljames: yes, with XAA XVideo is broken in 12.1 and 12.2 [17:01] macavity: http://pastebin.ca/1331089 [17:01] eviljames: and with EXA it is horrible [17:01] macavity: Use XShm [17:01] ? [17:02] this is 12.2? [17:02] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a282.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:03] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:03] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-68.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] and how do you specify XShm? [17:03] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-188.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] macavity: Well, in xine you can specify XShm instaed of xv and in many applications that use that engine [17:04] ie: kaffeine [17:04] roger, thx :-) [17:04] I don't know about mplayer/vlc but I would imagine they have similar options. [17:05] i use xine, so no proplem [17:05] xine was my only sour grape with XAA [17:05] In the prefs, set it to "Advanced" or master of the universe or whatever :) [17:05] roger, are you using 12.1 or 12.2? [17:06] 12.2 [17:06] k [17:06] But this file hasn't changed since 12 [17:06] or so, I've been mostly carrying it forward [17:06] slight adjustments per machine, but for the most part this setup does it. [17:07] what chip is in this particular macine? [17:07] i915-945 uses one driver, and i965 another [17:08] This one is now a G33, but this exact file worked with many between 915 and 945 [17:09] also make sure you've got the right one compiled in the kernel. [17:09] good... time to prune the system of my own packages and try agian [17:09] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-213-17.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:10] Performance *did* suffer in 12.1/12.2, I agree. I'm relatively certain it was due to kernel options, no xorg stuff [17:11] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] from what i read nothing interesting happened in the kernelspace prior to GEM [17:12] .. which ive completely failed to get along with :-/ [17:12] I don't think any of that is quite ready yet. [17:14] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:15] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.42) left irc: [17:17] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.89.195) joined ##slackware. [17:19] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:21] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:21] greetings [17:21] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [17:22] salutations [17:22] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] hows things gone over the weekend guys??? [17:35] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [17:36] i went to my monthly mn2600 meeting, and had lunch with some family [17:36] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:36] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [17:37] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-188.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-234.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] What do people use for a terminal emulator? [17:38] I've been on aterm for years. [17:38] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:38] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] if any of you guys is using something like fluxbox, what program do you use to mount and eject removable media like memory sticks? [17:39] rg3: mount/umount !? [17:40] rg3, I used to use gkrellm with some custom buttons to do that [17:40] and also some entries in flux menu [17:40] dive: but using hal or directly, as lns40 says, using mount with entries in the fstab? [17:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Old_Fogie: ping? [17:41] well I last used flux bfore hal support was in slack [17:42] rg3: I use fluxbox [17:42] I just manually mount/remove from a terminal [17:42] i use flux as well, and i do exactly what foldingstock just said [17:42] but yes i believe i had entries in fstab [17:43] but you guys use /etc/fstab? [17:43] no [17:43] rg3, I used to use autofs [17:43] mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever [17:43] its not hard :) [17:43] foldingstock: but you must do that as root, then [17:43] root/sudo [17:43] rg3: what is wrong??? [17:43] nothing [17:43] lol [17:44] ;) [17:44] who said there was something wrong? :) [17:44] hello in which packet are mv and rm commands? [17:44] h8R: in linux shell? [17:44] Action: lns40 just saw saw v [17:44] autofs will allow you just to cd into a /mnt/whatever and auto mount the device if it's setup correct [17:44] i'm going to move to fluxbox and installed pmount to handle that part with hal, but pmount is broken and doesn't work [17:44] The-Croupier, blah I've just did swaret --upgrade -a and i got strange erro msgs [17:45] The-Croupier, mv: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.6' not found (required by mv) [17:45] h8R: don't use swaret, it's very broken for many things [17:45] rg3, yeah i won't .. [17:45] :) [17:45] h8R: you used swaret ? lol [17:45] i've downloaded 12.2 iso and started again .. [17:45] i'm reading post factum the UPGRADE.TXT :D [17:46] ;) sounds better that [17:46] The-Croupier and foldingstock: so i was starting to write a program to handle those devices properly; i now see there's a point in finishing the code and publishing it [17:46] h8R (n=h8R__@95-42-98-116.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:47] ok [17:47] rg3: that being? [17:47] ls <-- list removable devices with labels and mount points if currently mounted [17:47] mount <-- mount a removable volume [17:48] eject <-- umount and eject removable volume [17:48] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [17:48] using hal, of course, so being in the plugdev group should be enough [17:48] Assuero (n=Assuero@189.104.128.220) joined ##slackware. [17:49] rg3: something like a script you mean ;) passing ls,mount,eject parameters ;) [17:49] and reading the devices in the system [17:49] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [17:49] you trying to put him out of a job with a small shell script? [17:49] if you mean a shell script, the answer is "no" [17:50] sorry, i usually use shell scripts...learning and such, but still awsome and quick the bastards [17:51] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] because you have to use dbus to get information from hal, like a list of devices, ask which ones are removable, getting the filesystem and preferred mount options... [17:51] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:51] and it's simply much easier to do that using python than using shell scripts with the dbus-* commands [17:52] Nick change: signal111 -> signal11 [17:53] rg3, can this run as a daemon and be configured to say automatically pop up a term or some other prog? [17:53] rg3: that would be nice to see. [17:54] dive: it's currently only a prototype; i've only been working on it for like 2 hours [17:55] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ok [17:56] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-234.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:57] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:59] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [17:59] xchat seems to be clobbering stump's bindings [18:00] I deleted all the shortcuts that use S- prefix, and that doesn't help. [18:00] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:02] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-122-188.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:05] sorry i couldnt help, i use irssi ;) like it better [18:05] if I can't figure this out in five minutes i'm moving back to irssi [18:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:07] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [18:07] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "Leaving" [18:07] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [18:08] That didn't last long. I still sort of want nice fonts in my IRC though. Can anyone recommend a new terminal emulator? (currently on aterm, don't think it'll do xft) [18:08] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:10] mooglenorph: stumpwm ? :D [18:11] aperturefever: stump is great [18:11] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] yeap kicks buttocks:D [18:11] aperturefever: somewhat idiossyncratic, but easy/fun to hack on [18:12] i just hope it will inherit ratpoison's small footprint [18:13] I get very little CPU usage with stump [18:13] as for terminal emu i use urxvt .. handles xft nice [18:14] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [18:14] hi [18:14] here too but not as light as ratpoison.. heck i dont even care.. does what i ask it to do.. :) [18:14] would that be rxvt-unicode on SBo? [18:14] yeap [18:15] dwm is good for a lightweight wm [18:15] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [18:16] memunkey (n=w0nd3rd0@pool-98-117-25-19.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] dwm is nice too [18:17] hello again all! Long time since I have been in here [18:17] guys, i have a partition that is a broken i think.. how can one format it back as reisef or ext3? on the fly while working? [18:17] oh, wow this is nice. [18:17] Z_God (n=Z_God@main.actualweb.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] just installed urxvt [18:17] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] mooglenorph: urxvt has 256 colors if you patch it [18:18] I've had xft in emacs for ages but not in aterm [18:18] quick question, anyone use a newer Epson with newer CUPS and GutenPrint? [18:20] I have an Epson Stylus NX400, running the current release of CUPS (1.3.9) on Slack 12.1, and GutenPrint 5.2.3... I am having a bear of a time getting a test page to print [18:20] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:23] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [18:23] rantic (n=lol@d39-3-160.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Action: memunkey wonders if anyone can see him type [18:24] bb ppl [18:24] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-199104.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [18:24] rantic (n=lol@d39-3-160.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:24] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:24] Is there a good way to browse through only xft fonts available on a system? [18:25] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] mooglenorph, do you have all of your fonts installed in the same path? [18:26] memunkey: I don't know, what's the default for slack 12.2? [18:29] there really is no 'default' for any Linux distro. [18:29] refresh my memory, xft is...? [18:30] is that the FreeType fonts? [18:30] yes [18:31] I want to browse them and see exactly how they'd look at different point sizes and such. [18:31] I fantasize that there is a nice little app just for this. [18:31] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [18:31] xfontsel? [18:32] but it wont show how they look [18:32] i dont think [18:32] been a while since I used that [18:32] dive: basically exactly xfontsel, except supporting xft [18:32] anyone happen to have an address of a fast n.a rsync mirror? [18:32] ah, mooglenorph, you just came over from Windows, didn't you? Looking for something like the "Fonts" app on Windows? [18:33] I tried to display DejaVu sans mono in it... Didn't work out well at all. [18:33] antler: rsync.osuosl.org [18:34] No, I've been on slack for a while. But I need to specify xft fonts by string in a couple places (emacs, urxvt) and it would be nice to have a "preview app" to consider all my options in. [18:34] alright, guys, i've already got a prototype to list, mount all devices and umount all devices, in 72 lines; it looks like this, at this moment: http://rafb.net/p/Twc7fT58.html [18:34] thanks, chopp [18:34] If that's what the "fonts" app does, than certainly, yeah. [18:35] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:35] KFontView if you are using the KDE GUI [18:35] The-Croupier: do you think it feels fine? :) [18:36] antler: thats whats used in alienBOB's rsync_current.sh script. [18:36] alien technology. i like that. [18:36] depending on the version of KDE you are using, it could be several places... in 3.5 it is under Utilities -> More Applications [18:37] antler: gotta like it. ;) [18:37] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.89.195) left irc: "Quit" [18:38] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:38] so, anyone know how to get my Epson printer to use a URI other than epson:/dev/usblp0? [18:38] Ah. This KDE program is quite decent. [18:38] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Pity that you need to use the awful KDE file open dialog to select a font. [18:40] well, I haven't used Gnome much since PJV dropped it from the official Slack releases. [18:40] back in what, 10? [18:40] Never really got Dropline to work right [18:41] now, if only I could configure this printer [18:41] I don't like Gnome or kde much at all. [18:41] StealthAsimov (n=andy@c-7278e255.030-101-6b6c6d10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Though I haven't tried 4 yet so I suppose I can't talk. [18:43] 4 isn't too bad, just go ahead and skip over 4.0 though. It sucks to configure and then most of it is a pain to get working right. [18:44] I haven't tried 4.1, but most of the KDE dev crew think that is better than 4.0, so that would be the next ssuggested release candidate [18:44] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:44] You'll be wanting 4.2 [18:44] 99% there... yet the last 1% stops me [18:44] *stop [18:44] 4.1 was a lot better than 4.0, but 4.2 is the first truly usable one. [18:45] okay, I haven't been on kde-devel for a while. Wasn't sure how far along 4.2 was [18:46] It was released in January. [18:46] ah, okay. That explains it. I haven't been online there since about July or so. [18:46] there is a reason they called KDE 4.2 "The Answer" [18:47] around 4.2.3 is probably going to be "enterprize class" [18:48] 4.1 is usable :P [18:48] too many sessions of working weekends and OT for the state. IBM creates great development tools, and good OSes, but their Java code... [18:48] straterra: "usable" [18:48] it is usable [18:48] I've bee using it at work for a while [18:48] been* [18:48] straterra: the interaction with the destop was nothing short of clumsy [18:48] this from a guy who chose his nickname after his ADD medication. :D [18:48] not entirely as bad as 4.0, but still, at best, unrefined [18:49] im not bashing them over it, as i know just how much of the back end was changed [18:49] macavity, how are the accessibility features in 4.2? Tested? [18:49] its just a matter of bringing technology that is already there to the font [18:49] memunkey: i always ditch those packages :P [18:49] memunkey: thatd be 'strattera' [18:50] memunkey: but accessibility was one of the key values of the KDE4 vision [18:51] not all that important to me yet, but after a few more 36-hour days at work, I might have a stroke and need those features. [18:51] They're in good shape. [18:51] planning for a stroke is..uh.. [18:51] yeeeaaahh [18:51] naturally.. what else would one be planning for? [18:51] death [18:52] i dont plan for any other possible health issue [18:52] this is SO fscking annoying... XAA is by far supperior to EXA/UXA in terms of speed [18:52] .. but no XVideo support :-/ [18:52] WebSphere Application Server and WebSphere Process Server Administrator for the Unemployment Compensation System in a state with ann Unemployment rate of 7%. No pressure. [18:52] and XShm does *not* cut it [18:52] govtcheez (i=govtchee@c3p0.reverse.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:53] memunkey: dont fuck up at work [18:53] memunkey: ive been left out to dry because my money didnt arrive more than once... [18:53] the movie beerfest is on comedy central tonight [18:53] macavity, I can't. Nobody else knows the systems [18:53] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] memunkey: so no.. no pressure.. [18:54] memunkey: just dont leave people who are already under pressure between a rock and a hard place... eg, make sure compensation arives in a timely fashion, even if all else goes up in smoke [18:54] in fact, the last time I took a sick day, the system crashed and I had to be on conference calls every two hours from home. [18:55] dont call in sick then... untill you have a coworker who is up to the job [18:55] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-170-152-187.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:55] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) joined ##slackware. [18:55] macavity, fortunately, the only part of the system I am maintianing is the wage portion. The benefits portion won't be turned over to me until about 2k11 or so. [18:55] you probably want to talk to you boss about this :P [18:56] memunkey: make sure that runs on something reliable... [18:56] macavity, I am supposed to be training my backup, who is covering seven other systems and managing three junior developers. [18:57] fantastic [18:57] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:57] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "See you later..." [18:57] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-236.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] macavity, the rest of the system is running on mainframe code almost as old as I am [18:57] keep it that way [18:57] we can't. Nobody knows mainframe assembly language any more [18:58] lol [18:58] call IBM and ask [18:58] IBM recruits their experts from our retirees. [18:58] confrey (n=chatzill@94.162.137.211) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008120415]" [18:58] that might be a hint to management [18:58] and we won't let the few we have who know the system go [18:59] macavity, welcome to government [18:59] seriously, you should consider staying on the mainframe [19:00] even the bleeding edge models from IBM is backwards compatible all the way back to the stoneage [19:00] *are [19:00] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:00] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:00] macavity, we can't do it, seriously. The code we have out there is so bandaged and patched it is a wonder the system hasn't failed yet in the past 30 years. [19:00] "bandaged and patched" means "extensively debugged" [19:00] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:01] We have a staff of about fifteen people who just keep that old code running, not really using tax dollars effectively [19:01] netscape died because they figured that a quick litte rewrite from scratch would be a good thing [19:01] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-156-116-36.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] seriously, the thing to do is stay mainframe, but porting the code function by funtion to a higher level language [19:02] and i know this because my govt made a semilar mistake [19:02] macavity, no, it means we have pieces of .Net code, COBOL code, and every other language that came along accessing IMS, flat file, VSAM and ISAm files, and even some DB2 stuff with a little SQL Server thrown in to mae a royal mess of things [19:02] macavity, mainframes are still alive because they are reliable as hell [19:02] nachox: exactly [19:03] macavity, I agree. first we have to move to the higher level, then if we need the mainframe, we can move everything back over to it. [19:03] and you will NOT move banks away from cobol any time soon [19:04] memunkey: not "back over to it".. get a bigger mainframe and stay on it [19:04] nod [19:08] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:08] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:08] macavity, hiya [19:09] macavity, was busy eating my first dinner [19:09] Old_Fogie: nothing.. i just thought i had found the holy grail [19:09] macavity, oh yea? [19:09] Old_Fogie: if you dont use your machines for video, XAA is a nice thing :-/ [19:09] i get very very smooth compiz, but no matter what i do, i cant get video to work with it [19:09] macavity, video being something like flash, or high def stuff? [19:09] satisfactory that is [19:10] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] Old_Fogie: video being .avi files.. some in pretty big resolution, yes [19:10] macavity, aha I see. I wonder why that is. [19:11] Old_Fogie: XVideo is broken with XAA [19:11] .avi files are just container formats, avi video mean nothing :P [19:11] nachox: mpeg4, xvid, h264 etc [19:11] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [19:12] Action: nachox nods [19:12] macavity, so is the XVideo being dev'd to run better with XAA or no? [19:12] nope [19:12] macavity, or is it looking like vapor ware [19:12] aha [19:12] it looks like only thing that will help us is time [19:12] I see [19:13] the light that is Gallium3D shall save our composite desktops [19:13] eviljames (i=6031516b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22a71e921fe5db6c) got netsplit. [19:13] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:13] UXA is being merged back into EXA for some odd reason [19:13] GEM looks like a mistake, as the Gallium state tracker will do the same job [19:13] macavity, my i810 on 12.2 has a tuff time (now playable thanks to heinz giving me some tips) ; but still unusable. 12.1 for my i810's cards is still best for me at present [19:14] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:14] playable for oggs [19:14] but barely [19:14] macavity, too bad the Radeon IGP cards seem to be forgotten in Gallium [19:14] all in all it looks like Intel does not trust that Tungsten Graphics can pull it off [19:14] memunkey: it will come [19:15] memunkey: currently they target the two different ends of the spectrum [19:15] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [19:15] memunkey: the hardware that does *not* look like a graphics pipeline, and the hardware that fully does [19:15] of course, I got frustrated about 8 months ago trying to get things working on SLAMD64, so maybe things are working better now. [19:15] memunkey, my radeon's across the board have no love lately. r300/r350 ATI binaries no longer build, and free driver just isn't enuff to play a flash, or ogg and do something else. [19:15] memunkey: the point being that LLVM will fill in the blanks [19:16] nvidia binary... looking like the thing to stay with as much as I hate to say it [19:17] have faith my son! [19:17] macavity, yeah I just want to buy a new laptop, and I'll be honest, I'm truly torn on my purchase due to these video cards. [19:17] there shall come a time when nVidia wished they had been strangled in the navel cord [19:18] go with nvidia, you know it works, or ATI or intel since the libre' , suck right now, but have promise to be better. [19:18] having my own little internal struggle of libre' vs immediate self gratification [19:19] eviljames (i=6031516b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-22a71e921fe5db6c) got lost in the net-split. [19:19] Old_Fogie: you are aware that the architecture that Gallium provides, might end up rendering nVidia very slow compared to ATI [19:19] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-232-63-140.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:19] .. unless they migrate the driver to this framework [19:20] macavity, yeah. like I said it's a 'hmm, what should I do...hmmm" situation. Maybe I'll just pick up a cheap laptop used and wait a little while longer before I buy a new expensive fancy one. Maybe in that time, things'll shake out. [19:26] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4F2A1.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [19:26] what's Gallium? [19:27] btw, you think nvidia will not work with Xorg to solve any problem regarding to their drivers? [19:28] Gallium is one of the metals used to dope Silicon for making microchips, nachox [19:28] nachox, google for gallium3D ;) [19:29] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-236.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:29] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-29.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] N1Ka (n=root@adsl-99-172-0-145.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Hello room. [19:30] Old_Fogie: intel is great if you don't need 3d crap [19:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:30] a mesa replacement? [19:30] I was wondering if anyone here wanted to be a mentor to a hacker-in-training, I know all the basics, but want a teacher to help me. :) [19:31] The Moon is Full [19:31] wtf [19:31] figures. [19:31] thrice`, for my needs, it's really just web stuff (me and the wife), occasional (more or less flash once in blue moon) and home video, not hi res, just stuff from the camera. I just dont want it to feel video lagged is my biggest beef . [19:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-340749.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:31] damn, I will be glad when my brother and I get those new windows put into my basement and I insulate these walls [19:32] not looking for compiz or games on the laptop, just dont want it to run like poo, or regress or be abondoned [19:32] Or can anyone tell me a good channel on here for hacking support? [19:32] it must be about 40 degrees F. down her [19:32] isn't gallium3d a driver framework with actual memory management? [19:32] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] N1Ka: when you say you know the basics .. what do you mean? [19:32] BP{k} wotcha ;-D [19:32] N1Ka, define "hacking" [19:33] lw0x15_: wotcha :) [19:33] I know how it all works, exploiting, getting in, covering your tracks, and I know a few programming languages. [19:33] But not how to do it all... [19:33] lol [19:33] the reason nvidia's drivers were better for so long, iirc, is that they just write their own memory manager and just ignored much of X? [19:33] you obviously dont have the first clue about keeping your mouth shut on hacking [19:33] ok, you're a script kiddie. [19:33] Pretty much [19:33] N1Ka: what languages do you know? [19:33] the first rule of hacking is that you can't talk about it [19:34] #fbi is a good place for tips on hacking [19:34] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] Old_Fogie: although ##NSA is not bad either. [19:34] haha [19:34] <-- works for a government, and has a friend in the FBI. Doesn't want to hear any more about your exploits [19:34] A little C & C++, python, HTML, PHP, and I think some more but I forget... :P [19:34] html lol [19:34] is there no filelight/baobab type utility that runs without gnome? it seems like it shouldn't be terribly hard to write it as a front end for du.. if one knew what they were doing [19:35] hiptobecubic: ncdu? [19:35] "I can hack any fortran server out there" [19:35] lol [19:35] i cannot hack my laptop [19:35] Can anyone teach me?? I'm determined to learn. [19:35] "I can hack any Perl box in existence" [19:35] N1Ka: what OS do you run? [19:35] Slackware 12.2 [19:36] Action: Old_Fogie looks to see if he's in #script-kiddies or not and tries to rejoin #slackware in the event thereof [19:36] 12.2 is released? Must have missed that PR [19:36] what do you want to hack? choices are endless [19:36] I just want to learn as much as I can. [19:36] Nika, step one. Learn more than 'a little' of those languages. Step two, learn to do something useful, like FIXING security holes. Then maybe you'll know enough to start exploiting them. [19:37] N1Ka: have you read esr's howto? [19:37] ...no? [19:37] Action: BP{k} smirks [19:37] keanne (n=riken@125.5.136.115) joined ##slackware. [19:37] I don't think so. [19:37] BP{k}: go for a headdesk today [19:37] lol [19:38] lw0x15_: sod that, I already have a stinking cold. I don't need more of an headache. :) [19:38] hehe [19:38] BP{k}: Should I give them a read? [19:38] N1Ka: just read around and it will come to you ;) [19:38] N1Ka: what do you think? [19:38] N1Ka, go read Kevin Mitnik's book, then you'll learn how not to get caught [19:39] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] I'll never understand tho, what makes random people come here, a linux support chann, and ask to learn about hacking. I whish I had a dime for every time I see this. [19:39] because everyone knows slack for haxors [19:39] i knew it before i knew that linux and unix weren't actually the same thing [19:39] So is BT3, but my drivers arn't supported on it. [19:39] :( [19:39] N1Ka: there is a lot more about being a hacker than "exploiting, getting in, convering your tracks" [19:39] Old_Fogie, they hear the phrase "Slackware is for the Linux hacker" and think we are all 1337 or something [19:39] wait, he's a backtrack users. ph33r him [19:40] hba (n=hba@189.188.198.10) joined ##slackware. [19:40] No I'm not. [19:40] <.< [19:40] Just said my drivers don't work and I use Slack 12.2 [19:41] N1Ka, in here, "hacking" is defined as getting your hardware to work properly in Linux. beynod that, we have no time for you. [19:41] :( [19:41] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:42] N1Ka: honestly, you should spend more time reading, more time coding, more time helping out people. etc. Asking in the manner you did .. makes you come across as a bit of a scriptkiddy tbh. [19:42] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:42] I've read a lot, but nothing really...good... [19:42] N1Ka: looks like you watched far too many movies and not enough reading [19:43] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] but anyhow, thanks for the info on who you are. The traceroute to you really will help if any of the systems I maintain come under attack [19:43] Any particular reads? [19:43] N1Ka: yes. [19:43] google ;) [19:43] N1Ka, learn by reading and trying things. If you don't know how things work, firewalls, etc [19:43] for a start, i would suggest what the word "hack" means and where it came from [19:43] get some books at the local courthouse [19:43] then follow BP{k} advice [19:43] read ESR's hacker howto. [19:44] Okay, thanks everyone. :) [19:44] Action: Old_Fogie recommends a Bible and an ethics book , this kid needs help, my 0.02$ [19:44] N1Ka: and if you were really serious about it .. you should ask less, a lot less, and explore more, a lot more. [19:44] N1Ka: https://thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=0147ab279830976cba48998eff897bb1&topic=8874.msg109792 [19:46] college computer labs are good places, too - if the people who go to your college have more than five working brain cells that is. [19:47] the easiest way to destinguish between a script kiddie and a security expert is to see if they have a BackTrack disk or not [19:47] macavity: he had .. but it didn't work ;) [19:47] if they have, tell them that the coolest military server in the world is 127.0.0.1 :P [19:47] BP(k) he probably had it in upside down [19:48] lol [19:48] i looked at that backtrack site once, seems the distro is full of ads and costs 400 euro to have them make a custom iso with no ads [19:49] macavity: love the 127.0.0.1 idea.. i have a friend of mine who is busting my * to get a wpa2 psk key, ill tell him that next time ;) [19:49] awsome ;) [19:50] No college here, only 15. [19:50] I actually work with someone who brags about how she had a problem with her computer eating floppy disks and not giving them back (when floppies were 5.25") [19:51] She was sticking them between the drives and the blank-off panels and they were falling into the case [19:51] She got four in before calling someone [19:53] and macavity and nachox wonder why we want to get off the mainframe. This woman PROGRAMMED the mainframe!!! [19:54] lol [19:55] memunkey, hahah, that's funny. but my granddaughter sticking ritz crasckers in the floppy drive still beats that [19:55] memunkey, hehe [19:55] :) [19:55] same day, we caught her dropping nickels, dimes and quarters down the AC vents ... what a day that was. [19:56] memunkey, IBM stuff? [19:56] government employees. [19:56] she said she 'piggy bank' so she must've thought the AC vents were a piggy bank, heh [19:56] compared to them, I am a genius [19:57] N1Ka (n=root@adsl-99-172-0-145.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [19:57] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] and I once put my boots on the wrong feet as a kid [19:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] I still do, put a brown and black shoe on the other day (same model shoe, just diff color) [19:58] went the whole day without knowing [19:58] Old_Fogie: ok, i am going the long way and building the damn whole thing from git [19:58] Old_Fogie: check this out: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/git [19:58] macavity, I've got a funny suspiciion that's the way to go on that. it seems that's what Phoronix does on their ubunut test boxes in the articles [19:58] Old_Fogie: it has a nice automated build that wont collide with the system version [19:59] macavity, what are you building? [19:59] memunkey: mesa/drm/xorg/intel [19:59] memunkey, i didnt know you worked for the government [19:59] oh, yeah, They recommend building from git [19:59] nachox, state, not federal. [20:00] what state? [20:01] macavity, looks straight forward, which obviously gives me pause, as nothing ever is. I'd vm build that for sure [20:03] Old_Fogie: observe that the "init" usage also needs to be run as root [20:03] Old_Fogie, having a dev box helps with that [20:03] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:04] Old_Fogie: it also looks like a good starting point for a "SlackBuild" that creates proper packages [20:05] yeah true [20:05] Old_Fogie: look at strip(1) an [20:06] holey.. if you are seeing this... something blew up, and my entire system looks like LSD [20:06] what about it? [20:06] ah [20:06] macavity, yes we see it [20:06] ctrl-L helped [20:06] macavity, if you get a SlackBuild working, I'll port it to SLAMD64 and send it up the line... [20:06] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [20:06] well, test it anyhow [20:06] macavity, you can't strip all in X building tho [20:07] not all drivers like strip [20:07] if that is what you were referring too [20:07] oh, wait, you're only building the Intel driver. I don't have any Linux boxes that use an Intel chipset. [20:08] Traveler6 (n=traveler@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] Nick change: Traveler6 -> whizzazawho [20:08] Maybe my old Thinkpad iSeries laptops, but they don't even have 3D support in them. [20:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [20:10] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:10] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:10] wow.. that was psychedelic [20:10] everything went kaboom [20:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:11] screw XAA [20:11] haha... I think I had the same problem with it, that's why I stopped working on it when I did. [20:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:11] ahmed-tux (n=kvirc@adsl196-82-72-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:11] man.. that was scarry [20:12] i think i got a couple of megs of errormessages from the kernel to all std-outs [20:12] that makes irssi look a wee bit funny :P [20:12] brb [20:12] I bet [20:12] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Client Quit [20:12] most of the devs on the mesa stuff are using debian [20:12] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-153-131-8.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] I notice that macavity has a warped sense of fun. [20:13] wazzazajoo (n=Lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] when I asked for help, they usually just said "it works find for me in debian" [20:14] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:14] man.. ive never seen slackware go down like that [20:14] [ in bed ] [20:14] it was like watching a drunk cheerleader on prom night [20:14] [ in bed ] [20:14] jkwood: no your not [20:14] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-200.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] [ in bed ] [20:14] Actually, I am. [20:15] most of the devs on the mesa stuff are using debian [20:15] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:15] screw that.. it has an autotools based build system [20:16] Mesa can build with scons too, as they also support Windows [20:16] but thats another story [20:16] scons and cmake, two very odd build sys [20:16] yeah, I gave up when they told me to switch distros [20:17] after all, I have been using Slack since 3.0 [20:17] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] wow, a longtimer [20:18] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:18] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] yeah, tried Caldera, tried SuSe, tried RedHat, tried Mandrake, tried Linspire, tried Ubuntu, but kept coming back home to Slackware [20:19] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] it's a valid suggestion. if it works for them, in other distros [20:20] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-200.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [20:20] especially if there is no clear evidence as to what the problem involves. [20:20] ananke, the trouble is, debian supports the standardization attempt that they are trying to make and Slackware doesn't. [20:21] that means that everything is organized into RPMs or deb packages [20:21] and everything is ordered "the Red Hat way" [20:21] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-37.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Slackware organizes things "the BSD way" [20:21] wazzazajoo (n=Lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [20:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] the 'bsd way' is an urban legend [20:22] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-9-29.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] rworkman, I'm a tad confused on what you recommended for the slib. Slackyeu has this -> http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.1/development/slib/3b1/src/slib.SlackBuild <- is that inline with what you're referring too, or should I just hold out til' next SBo push/updates? [20:22] yeah, like 'r0b is a man' [20:22] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-196.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] hba (n=hba@189.188.198.10) left irc: "leaving" [20:24] whizzazawho (n=traveler@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Java user signed off" [20:24] Bonix (n=Bonix@212-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:25] memunkey: the xorg devs told you to switch distro? [20:25] memunkey: errr.. the mesa devs? [20:25] of course, they are recommending openbsd now [20:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:25] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [20:26] more free :P [20:26] lol [20:26] macavity, I was in #dri-dev I think [20:26] OpenBSD makse SUCH a nice desktop... [20:26] I havent tried openbsd in a while, diggin my pcbsd and freebsd tho [20:27] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] I should try to get FreeBSD running again. The box sits over in the corner now in my basemen. Waiting for some power [20:28] Old_Fogie: how's the kde in pcbsd? [20:28] memunkey, freebsd is nice, just make sure it really installed before you reboot :) and don't add stuff from repo's while installing, just use what's on the cd or dvd, else you get a fail [20:28] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-216.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:29] antler, works good, no problems really. [20:29] but I prefer the freebsd as it has the gnome (for the wife) and few apps I use. [20:30] FREE TEH BSDD [20:30] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] Hmm... that's apparently an augmented Unix. [20:30] Fogie, so, that's what happened [20:30] Old_Fogie: does pcbsd come with any other other wm's or de's by default? [20:31] antler, kde is default desktop [20:31] the newester version that is [20:31] Old_Fogie: i meant can you choose? [20:31] oh havent reinstalled or upgraded in a while, just do updates, and it's holding thru them [20:31] my last attempt at FreeBSD was 5.3, but I am shure that is way outdated now [20:32] memunkey, the installer is still the same probably, and core is core, heh [20:32] yeah, I always have trouble with the disks, though. [20:32] masybe I should burn them in Linux instead of Windows. :D [20:33] memunkey, yeah the installer still has a tendency to make you think you commit slices and formatting, and installing when, in reality it did nothing due to PEBKAC. they really need to fix that. [20:33] weee... my new graphics stack is ready for consumption :-) [20:33] macavity, you built all that already? [20:33] macavity, from git? [20:34] macavity, get the SlackBuild done? [20:34] goodnight everyone ;) [20:34] seeya tomorrow [20:34] gn The-Croupier [20:34] Old_Fogie: yes, that sed line is accomplishing the same thing. [20:34] Old_Fogie: yup [20:34] The-Croupier (n=ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [20:35] it's only 8:30 PM, Croupier! [20:35] rworkman, aha I see thank you. [20:35] macavity, how many hours did it take to build? and on what spec's? [20:36] Old_Fogie: about half an hour on a T7400 and a 7.2K rpm drive laptop [20:36] wth is t7400 :D [20:36] sounds like an alien in terminator [20:36] :) [20:36] more expensive than I can afford [20:36] 2.16GHz Core2 Duo with 4MB L2 Cache [20:37] yes, it cost an arm and a leg when i bought it... two years ago [20:37] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@211.180.33.110) joined ##slackware. [20:37] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:37] I'll stick to my Turion 64x2 laptop [20:37] 2GB low latencey 667MHz DDR2 ram [20:37] rather 2x1GB [20:37] for now [20:37] Action: Old_Fogie execs scp:/.mozconfig && moozilla_tree macavity:/home/macavity/build-queue [20:38] lol [20:38] hahaha, man I need me one of them [20:38] macavity, how long to build huge smp huge on that? [20:38] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:38] if i want to modprobe tun at boot, where should i put it? [20:38] "make" "make bzImage" or "make modules"? [20:38] macavity, just make [20:39] half an hour or so [20:39] oh man,nice [20:39] i dont know.. i just light a cigarette and get some fresh coffee [20:39] tho, make make's the bzimage anywho [20:39] . [20:39] macavity, yea that's nice [20:39] talk you you a little, and then the fan starts relaxing, and i know its done :P [20:39] *talk to you [20:40] yeah I'm over an hour 15 min for sure (off the distcc farm) [20:40] O_O [20:40] p3 900 takes about 3 hours now [20:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:40] if I did on them alone. [20:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] whats the biggest peice of iron you have? [20:40] firefox is almost 2 hours [20:40] hiptobecubic, should be in /etc/rc.d/rc.modprobe or rc.modules. I think the former is the current location, but I could be wrong [20:40] *piece [20:40] macavity, amd 2500 [20:40] ok [20:40] that explains a lot [20:41] the rest of the world has moved to very big L2 caches [20:41] that sits in the dist farm most of the time, it's too powerful for desktop use for my needs on linux. was necessary in windows. [20:41] I am on an AMD 64x2 right now, running 32-bit Slackware [20:41] and +8K bogomips on laptops :P [20:41] HOST: rogue | OS: Slackware Linux 2.6.28-ajj | CPU: Intel Core2 T7400 @ 2.16GHz (2 Cores, 8643.67 Bogomips Total) | CACHE: 4096 KB | MEM: 1770.33/2018.54 MB (87.7%) | UP: 34 minutes | [20:42] ok, the entire build took less than 34 minutes [20:42] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] hmm i wonder why the volume thingy in xfce seems to crash when i log into xfce and the first application to use sound makes a sound [20:42] as i started over after the crash [20:42] macavity, Slackware is highly usable desktop use for me, my needs (even gnome, kde, xfce) , cd playing a music cd, web browser (opera, epiphany) , xchat, pidgin, a text editor (hacing some scripts) abiword, gnumeric or kspread, kontact and tv time all open same time. p3 866 256mb ram. [20:43] Old_Fogie: whats the total bogomips count in your entire houshold? :P [20:43] Action: macavity ducks [20:43] macavity, umm, I never added it up really [20:43] probably won't exceed 1000 [20:43] dont' know honestly [20:44] Hi, I have acpid,suspend2disk and suspend 2 ram working and am wondering if I can have suspend2disk kick in after a set period of time the laptop is in suspend2ram mode [20:44] I can even edit a 600 dpi 8.5x11 scan , in gimp, still highly useable. Slack is just great (/me pets the 866) :) [20:45] tank-man: you can probably hack something in to the suspend2ram script [20:45] the biggest issue, is hard drive speed, I should really get a pci card ata 133 on this box. that's where I feel it really. that's a big performance boost on the other boxes that are in the dist farm. [20:45] tank-man: like figure out what the time is, add, say 15 minutes to that, and then call "at $THISTIME suspend2disk [20:45] 1000 bogomips would be an extree slow computer ;) [20:45] just a bunch of old boxes I took home from the office, that were idle , slapped in new drives, new ata/133 cards and ata/133 drives, they really push out builds quite well. [20:46] hmm, ill test that [20:46] suddenly, I don't feel so bad about my old computers. Thanks Old_Fogie [20:46] BP{k}: my Nokie 3310 can probably muster that ;-) [20:46] *Nokia [20:46] lol [20:46] memunkey, well they draw such little power, and are still highly useable ya know, and work, so in my mind, why get rid of em'. [20:47] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.108.114) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] macavity: hmm I am tempted to see how many bogomips my p2 has ;) [20:47] memunkey, like one box is 266 mhz here, its' a file back server, a debian repo, and slack repo, and it does it's job splendid. [20:47] slack/slapt-get [20:47] heh, thing only draws a light bulb of power [20:48] true. my highest power eater is about 600 Watts [20:48] oh and that guy also hosts apache/egroupware [20:49] I am actually wondering if I can get them to run on 12V DC, so I can convert to Solar for them. [20:49] anyways, time to test new graphics stack [20:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [20:49] macavity, gl [20:49] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "..Lets hope for the best, shall we!" [20:49] memunkey, or a dc to ac inverter [20:50] can get one at an RV store [20:50] or car store really [20:50] I got one for the car, plug into cig lighter (they still make them :) and can power the GPS and laptop with it. [20:50] nah, I have a 24V inverter, but I want to save that for an appliance. Computers run internallly on DC, so why change to AC then back to DC? [20:51] oh didnt know what you had there. [20:51] use DC across the board and save the hysterisis loss [20:52] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep" [20:52] solar panels produce DC. [20:52] so you want to what, kick 24 down to 12? [20:52] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [20:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] batteries produce DC. Desktops run on 12 VDC and 5 VDC internal power. inverters wast power. All you do is run them through a simple voltage regulator. [20:53] ¬ haxxer.bot activated » [20:53] ¬ haxxer.bot taking over w0rld » [20:54] battlemidget, ?? [20:54] lol [20:54] yes I understand that, I just didnt know what you had there for solar , but yes you can do that power a pc off solar. we do that for some monitoring stations. a quick google you'll find some decent guides. [20:54] im bored waiting for qemu to format this image [20:54] and? [20:54] and nothing tough guy [20:54] heh [20:55] Old_Fogie, yeah, I knew it was possible. I don't have the solar panels yet, but am looking to put them in. $100 or so a month is a bit too high for electric even for my house. [20:56] memunkey, heh no argument there. [20:56] as much as I can get off the power grid will help [20:56] bots are not allowed here so i'm kind of making sure you do have braincells and not any kind of algorithm behind your words [20:56] memunkey, that's why I like the fact that these older pc's , built with better gauges, and factor of safety in them, still serve me some beneficial use after all these years , heh [20:57] nachox: im just typing text, calm down [20:57] 'calm down' is such an insult [20:57] now i know, you have nothing to worry about, i was just checking :) [20:57] battlemidget: but a bot would say that .. wouldn't they? ;) [20:57] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-153-131-8.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:58] memunkey, wait til' the 'stimulus package' comes out, there ?may? be some write offs related to purchasing them (if you're in US, also depending on what get's cut out of the package) [20:58] BP{k}: dont give my position away [20:58] ;p [20:59] memunkey, also if you haven't done so, check with your power authority there, you may be able to sell some back to the grid. [20:59] the thing about solar panels is their high price entry point. it would take quite a bit of time to see any ROI [20:59] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:59] ananke, depending on where you are sure, here in Buffalo, it's out of the question. [20:59] ananke: dont be offended, i still love you [21:00] Old_Fogie : even in the middle of texas, it would take a few years [21:01] you also need a lot of solar cells to power a datacenter... they'd take more space than the datacenter itself :P [21:01] ananke, yes, but remember that's given current "in the market technology" and their efficiencies. I just read an article that a company (I cant recall the name, the magazine's at the office) has now doulbed the efficiency of the voltaics. That's _very_ interesting and promising for sure. [21:02] ananke, I'll bring it home this week, see if I can find you a link to their article, I'm an online suscriber there. [21:02] it was a good read [21:03] Old_Fogie : definitely. i'm looking forward to it [21:03] First see if your package manage has an espgs or ESP/Ghostscript package for you. [21:03] That is a good place to start weeding out bugs. [21:03] tho, I wouldnt doubt, once that companies Marketing Dep't gets their greedy mits on it, they keep the price at or slighly above in use technology for the "don't leave too much money on the table" philosophy, heh. [21:03] I take it we don't have ESP GhostScript in Slack? [21:04] if anything, i wouldn't mind having a solar based water heater [21:05] ananke, yeah, it kills me to power that guy, for "standby" too. we yanked ours out a few years back, put on instantaneous/on demand heat. it's _so_ much better, and we saw the diff in our bills right away. [21:05] ananke, I had to have a bigger breaker installed tho in the electric panel tho. but it still came down to cheaper than gas. [21:05] memunkey, there's two ghostscript pax in Slackware [21:06] Old_Fogie : yeah, i'm used to using one of those in europe, but it was gas based. i didn't know they have on-demand based on electrical heater [21:06] oh , memunkey , nm I had a moment [21:06] Old_Fogie, I got the "first time homebuyer" credit and am using that for new low-E windows and a more efficient central air unit [21:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:06] ananke, yes they're not the cheapest up front cost, but they're worth it, no doubt. [21:06] ananke, i'm looking for audiobooks that can make the time i spend in the bus from home to work bareable, any ideas? [21:06] Old_Fogie : out of curiosity, how much did you pay for yours? [21:07] memunkey, aha, check into the 'energy star' program, you may still be eligible in your area , that's awesome . [21:08] ananke, I had to have the elect service done, and the equipment, I'd guess around 1200 installed. hard to say as I had a lot of other work done on the same bill. [21:08] Old_Fogie : i'm looking at the lowe's pages, looks like prices range from $230 to $850. not bad [21:09] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:09] ananke, I had the house wired to back up generatore, auto transfer switch, an instant on for the whole house, not just a room here there. a reverse osmosis system, and a few other things that just needed fsxing. [21:09] not bad for $1200 [21:10] ananke, right, so for budgeting, you figure a man day or two at your local labor rate over that to get it installed, maybe a half man day for electricla if need be. [21:10] damn, i'm looking at the specs for this one water heater: 200A for the house, unit requires 120A [21:10] well, installed, and un-install existing and cap off,etc [21:11] we put a small in at that shower, it does a loop back. oh it's splendid, the water is always hot as soon as you turn the valve :) [21:12] i got two showers, if anything i'd want one for an entire house [21:12] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-177-132-036.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:12] memunkey, the big thing on that energy star is that you get the house leak checked, and thermal report and the work done accordingly. man does that work save you money in long run (if you plan to own the home). [21:13] ananke, oh I dont blame you. we have a long run of the pipes to the main bath, so I wanted a small one there to handle the fact that I get heat loss in the basement here in Buff ;) [21:13] i can imagine. i got no basement [house on a slab], but it's a two story one. the distance results in heat loss [21:15] although i'm very glad i bought a new house [4 years old now]. all new appliances, and decent house insulation [21:15] the biggest thing here for us was really upgrading the spec's of the entire house's insulation. Ours was older, breaking down. We actually even went so far as to rip off siding and reinsulate there as well. [21:15] I've got 2' of blown insulation in the attic [21:15] :) [21:15] Old_Fogie : me too [21:15] impossible to use it for anything else, but it keeps the house warm [21:16] yeah, it's a must have [21:16] i actually got my biggest electric bill last week: $170. damn cold winter [21:16] I've been eye balling radiant heat for the floors. That too is really starting to be a candidate here. [21:17] yeah that hurts for sure. [21:17] Assuero (n=Assuero@189.104.128.220) left irc: "Saindo" [21:18] the wife's been on me to get mud floors in the bathroom, so the radiant may be "good to go" in then. [21:19] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [21:19] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:20] lol [21:20] this is SO stupid [21:20] xkb didnt build [21:20] and i cant get it to.. [21:20] so, i can run this fancy new graphics stack [21:20] .. but i cant use the keyboard :P [21:20] fserve (n=gbs@201008199048.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:21] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.169) left irc: "leaving" [21:21] Action: macavity gives up [21:21] PrettyGirl- (i=zk382na@41.236.13.115) joined ##slackware. [21:25] then i can go get some burgarz instead [21:25] bbl [21:29] hahaha, an annoyed hacker :P [21:30] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:30] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [21:32] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-196.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:32] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-249.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] I m checking out OSGrid right now [21:36] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:38] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:38] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:40] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: "ZzzZzzZZzzzZzZZzzz" [21:41] ////win 4 [21:41] lag. ugh. [21:41] ping dimmerbold [21:41] N1Ka (n=root@adsl-99-172-0-145.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] Hello room. :) [21:42] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] N1Ka: you really should not irc as #root [21:43] ...? [21:44] N1Ka (n=root [21:45] I'm logged in as root... >.> [21:45] whats up chopp ? [21:45] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:45] N1Ka: yes. we know. you shouldn't. [21:45] Why not? [21:45] create a "regular" user the irc [21:45] anyone know where to get rsvg support for python? [21:45] rather, I'm trying to install wine-doors [21:45] okibisan: no [21:45] dang [21:46] N1Ka: the idea is that you use root, only when possible. [21:46] night all [21:46] later nachox [21:46] I see. [21:46] Okay [21:46] N1Ka (n=root@adsl-99-172-0-145.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [21:47] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.58.229) left irc: "Leaving" [21:48] dtanner: not much, and you? [21:48] is there no decent wine gui out there? [21:48] Action: okibisan sighs [21:49] Action: Old_Fogie humms 'mow-hah-veeee' [21:49] playonlinux won't load, wine-doors has stupid dependancies that they don't even list, crossover doesn't apply menus in xfce [21:49] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] wine-doors even just announced a new version and said to get it on the download page... where it isn't listed yet (still!) [21:50] i just want a decent wine gui... [21:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [21:54] hmmmm... wine.... [21:54] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [21:56] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-37.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:56] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-228.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [21:57] yes... wine [21:58] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-200-153.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [21:59] PrettyGirl- (i=zk382na@41.236.13.115) left irc: No route to host [22:00] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:02] hey [22:02] Texas is a beautiful state [22:03] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:03] i just got back last night from a short notice 2600 mile road trip for this girl [22:03] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [22:03] didnt pay for shit... [22:04] Hope it was worth it. [22:05] Cann0n, wow! she gave you a freebie! :) [22:05] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:05] ...hee hee if you read what you said , you'll get what I meant haha [22:05] juice_ (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [22:06] sex on the road..my favorite. [22:06] Nick change: juice_ -> juice [22:07] traveling at 70mph or in the middle waiting for the car? [22:07] =P [22:08] yes 70mph or so, but on a hog [22:08] Old_Fogie: lol [22:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) joined ##slackware. [22:08] "on a hog" <--- She was that bad looking ? :) [22:08] nah, i drove her car back [22:08] by myself [22:08] pics or it didn't happen [22:08] Old_Fogie: haha [22:08] chopp, gonna call you "sooo-eeee" now :) [22:09] thrice`, :) [22:09] it was nice. Texas, west from San Antonio is all good [22:09] Old_Fogie: I guess I asked for that one. :P [22:09] chopp, reminds me of a game guys played back in college (as you know I'd never do such a thing /rolls eyes) playing a game called "hogging". [22:09] SpacePlod: wattsup? [22:10] Old_Fogie: nor have I ever played. ;) [22:10] chopp, put money in a hat at beginning of the night, go out on town with bunch of the guys, he who has the largest girl (hence the hogging) at the dorm the next day won the kitty of money in the hat. [22:10] dimmerbold: hey, the update for 3.0.1 is in slackbuilds now [22:11] and thanks for the help with the bike [22:11] Old_Fogie: I used to refer to it is riding a moped. Hell of alot of fun to ride, but you don't want to be seen on one. [22:11] no prob. I should forward you my gmail account. [22:11] chopp, hhahah very true [22:12] chopp, I had one buddy sell out for beer tho. The guys and I were razzing him on this ugly wilderbeat he was with, and he says "but ...dude she's buying Heinekens'" ahahah. [22:12] hahah mopeds. [22:12] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] antler: skateboards > * [22:13] Old_Fogie: haha [22:13] scooters are a waste of money. you can get a 250cc crotch rocket for the same price [22:13] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:14] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.62) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] Cann0n: but can be driven by someone at 14/learners permit. At least in CAN. [22:15] Mellar_ (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [22:18] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:19] min age here is/was 16 [22:19] reminds me of when lloyd and harry went to aspen [22:19] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:20] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:20] my god... my friend i grew up with went from nerdy, fat gammer to brute jarhead marine.... because he loved COD too much [22:21] COD? [22:21] call of duty [22:21] oh [22:21] I purchased a 1-TB maxtor tonight for 99 bucks [22:21] we used to have Halo parties [22:21] dtanner: geif! :P [22:21] me is in awe of what the last 10 years have done with technology [22:21] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:21] :P [22:21] dtanner: i am SO out of diskspace.. that is what is effectivly putting a top to a laundry list of projects [22:21] try Fryes [22:21] try monies :-/ [22:22] i need a life.... sigh*** [22:22] they are having loads of sales here locally on al HDDs [22:22] :O laundry [22:22] 99 bucks aint nuttin for a stepper =) [22:22] glad i read here and someone said "laundry" [22:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:22] Action: linux_probe needs to do laundry or go nude :) [22:22] go for the later [22:22] it gets you more attention [22:22] Action: Cann0n is in the same boat with linux_probe [22:22] nude = arrested & jailed =p [22:23] i know of at least one person in here who would vote for go nude [22:23] then fir everything that is holy do laundry linux_probe ! [22:23] antler: me? [22:23] Old_Fogie: sturgis one year, with my "hog" at the time. :) http://www.casebliss.com/tmp/sturgis2.jpg [22:23] jeans last me 5 days minimum here [22:23] macavity: no [22:23] one pair* [22:23] ha [22:23] >_< eww [22:23] antler: then you know two ;-) [22:23] hahahah [22:23] nullboy (i=nullboy@gateway/tor/x-8f09ba87c0a1f2a4) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:23] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [22:24] chopp: is that you on that img with the bandana? [22:24] chopp, woh tha's a big get together there [22:24] macavity: that would be me. [22:24] Action: macavity scratches head [22:25] macavity: was a few years though. [22:25] it will probably click in sooner or later :P [22:25] so now your all white and nerdy? [22:26] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] chopp: you rid a hog? [22:26] ride [22:26] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [22:26] antler: I do yes. [22:26] nahice [22:26] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Success [22:26] a hog being another word for a chopper style MC? [22:27] macavity: i think choppers are a little different [22:27] antler: wouldn't have it any other way. macavity hog=harley [22:27] bigger handle bar? [22:27] chopp: ah [22:27] i always thought they had longer forks [22:27] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:27] gah [22:28] chopp: then we apparently reside on on each end of the spectrum [22:28] chopp: my wet dream is a Honda VFR750 :P [22:28] macavity: the conversation earlier, was about a different type of hog. ;) [22:28] hahah [22:28] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] ah [22:29] macavity: to each is own. Whatever blows your hair back. ;) [22:29] tight curves so close to the pavement you can smell it :P [22:29] thats my drug [22:30] fortunately a feind of mine lets me drive his from time to time [22:30] all i have is a 50CC scooter :-/ [22:30] antler: and yes, my main ride is about as chopper as it gets. [22:30] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [22:30] chopp: http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/Harley# [22:31] dtanner: not to dis your ride in any way, but that looks like something you would give your mother in law a ride to work on :P [22:31] dtanner: right on. :) [22:32] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "leaving" [22:32] macavity: I think not but to each his wn , that is a dyna-wide-glide 2008 , the only "choped look" bike you can get from harley. They are not making the wide glides starting 2009 anymore [22:32] U-Neeks (i=555@189-11-236-253.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:32] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [22:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:33] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [22:33] macavity: but i don;t like the "crotch rocket" styles , i like a cruiser with some comfor t and I could not afford the ultra classic [22:33] silly willie. WGD. I'd like to kick his ass. ;) [22:34] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Client Quit [22:34] heh [22:34] http://laudeman.com/hondavfr/images/vfr3.jpg [22:34] PORN [22:34] that bike looks mint [22:34] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [22:34] antler: i keep it mint [22:34] dtanner: what year? [22:34] observe that on the VFR the handle bars are pretty high [22:34] despite the R in the name [22:34] 2008 , i got it on march 7th 2008 [22:35] had it almost a year now [22:35] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [22:35] heh two completely different rides. i like em both [22:36] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Client Quit [22:36] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:36] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Connection timed out [22:36] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [22:36] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Client Quit [22:37] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [22:37] any Eterm users in here that are awake ? [22:37] oh i get it now. chopp for "chopper" :) [22:37] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.111.76) left ##slackware (""... 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[22:41] wow, that was really read incorrectly by me [22:41] but was much funnir that way [22:42] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.95.196.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:42] you saw something with pork pussy? [22:42] of course [22:42] pig [22:42] :P [22:42] diner by where i used to live called porky's. sign read: porky's -- porkin' in the rear. [22:42] Action: chopp backs to the wall, and says "make my day" [22:42] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-31-232.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] antler: reminds me of the "roadkill cafe" in sturgis. [22:43] lol [22:43] That wall is a gloryhole wall, chopp [22:43] duct tape to the rescue. [22:44] haha [22:45] rworkman: you have any intel graphics based systems? [22:45] Mellar_ (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] macavity: I don't [22:45] damn [22:45] Action: XGizzmo_ does [22:46] otherwise i would have force admitted you to my new project :P [22:46] radeon for the lappy, radeonhd for the dev box. The firewall as intel, but it's obvoiusly not useful in that regard. [22:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:46] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "leaving" [22:46] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-249.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:46] hmm.. i need online space [22:46] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [22:47] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-163.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] XGizzmo_: ill come back when i have the kbd build error fixed [22:47] .. and pruned this build script up.. its horrible [22:48] zburger [22:48] u have? [22:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] nullboy: no i don't have zburger.. i haz aten zem all! [22:52] macavity: going to sleep(21600); soon, you want to ping me tomorrow evening? [22:52] Spiko_ (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] XGizzmo_: roger that, kkthxbai [22:53] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:55] Spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:56] macavity, you know, talking about input controllers, I just read a few days ago, that X will soon be getting game controller/joypad control soon. Wow! that's neat. I bet that'd make a real winner for a home theatre game linux box. [22:57] makes me really wish that gatos had finished working drivers for ATI radeon 9700 AIW. that card is great, you can hook a TV up to it, and it even shows all the bios posting and stuff. still have mine htpc on xp :( [23:01] xorg/mesa will eventually be the nicest thing since sliced bread [23:01] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] lets imagine that all new games comes with linux support [23:02] and now, where they are putting all the acceleration stuff into the clients, what a bliss it would be to build a net/game cafe on linux [23:05] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:06] e. [23:06] raphics based systems? [23:06] what the?? [23:06] i didn't type that [23:07] stupid mouse wheel click [23:10] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:10] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c671478d8d8c106d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] macavity, yes that'd be really nice. [23:12] antler: having fun? :P [23:13] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:17] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] macavity: :D [23:18] laters! [23:18] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:19] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-183-187.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:19] nite all [23:19] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.49.221) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:23] hba (n=hba@189.188.156.55) joined ##slackware. [23:26] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [23:27] poing. [23:27] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-172-163.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX: Now available for the Gibson" [23:27] hashed_ (n=hashed@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware. [23:29] piong? [23:29] :) [23:29] morning :s [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] _adrenaline (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] <_adrenaline> Hello [23:32] Nick change: Guest1740878011 -> Gargantua [23:32] ¬_¬ [23:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [23:35] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: "leaving" [23:36] Hate to ask this here but uh... [23:36] anyone know a movie sharing site like watch-movies.net? [23:38] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [23:38] <_adrenaline> sidereal.com [23:40] <_adrenaline> Hey why if I edited slapt-get in /etc/ to use /home/slapt-get instead of /var/slapt-get does it still use /var/slapt-get [23:43] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "Leaving" [23:43] no slapt-get available in this channel [23:43] ask slapt-get [23:44] Action: macavity highfives mbhayes [23:44] :) [23:44] you want support... use slackpkg [23:44] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [23:45] <_adrenaline> sorry I just figured that it was slackware [23:45] slapt-get has never been supported by slackware [23:45] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-0448144e993ac176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:45] <_adrenaline> I am just trying to get gnome that is all [23:46] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] <_adrenaline> I need some video editing tool and they all seem to need some gnome file [23:46] you're better off google'ing for gnome slackbuild [23:46] <_adrenaline> ok [23:46] poona (i=80de2514@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f868e7ba489c671) joined ##slackware. [23:46] <_adrenaline> Going to bed [23:46] there are a few other projects too [23:47] which is a good sandbox for slackware. i checked out plash. Is there any other sandboxes? [23:48] what? [23:48] drugdealerontor (i=drugdeal@gateway/tor/x-c1c4d5eeea354d4c) joined ##slackware. [23:48] Define "sandbox" [23:48] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] i mean a program or environment to run other programs in a restricted environment [23:49] something like this http://plash.beasts.org/wiki/ [23:49] Chroot? [23:49] virtualbox [23:49] vmware [23:49] poona, virtual machines? [23:49] Deep Dreeze? [23:49] Deep freeze* [23:50] deep freeze really isn't a virtual machine [23:50] jkwood: something similar to chroot [23:50] but providing more control [23:51] i haven't tried it manully with chroot though [23:52] lando_ (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] Gargantua: looks like deep freeze isn't free [23:53] torrent [23:54] lando (n=lando@c-66-176-131-206.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:54] Gargantua: torrents are a nice way to invite all those unwelcomed malwares [23:54] you never know who has edited the code with some malware and seeded it [23:54] so is connecting to the internet [23:54] Action: jkwood slaps Gargantua [23:55] Gargantua: yes, of course. but it can't be as worse as using torrents [23:55] Well [23:55] you can probably get the trial off the offical site and a keygen from torrents [23:56] Action: jkwood slaps Gargantua again [23:56] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [23:56] well, yes. but for some reason i would want something that is free. plash apparently doesn't have a build for slackware [23:57] qemu a snapshot of slack within slack [23:59] SiegeX: with 1 gb of ram it is sort of hard to qemu a slack within slack. i thought of vms and all [23:59] the extra memory constraint pushed me to a sandbox [00:00] --- Mon Feb 9 2009