[00:00] samuel: Is that what you want? :) [00:00] Masterx831: Freezes? At the start? [00:01] deximat: worked, xinput set-int-prop "PIXART USB OPTICAL MOUSE" "Device Enabled" 8 0 [00:01] deximat: ops, after 45 seconds, it shows again. [00:02] samuel: how do you mean? It is working again? [00:02] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:02] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:02] caoliver: sorry i was reading on google on this [00:02] no success [00:03] deximat: yes, it's working more or less. [00:03] When I start X it locks up but i could move my mouse [00:03] mine is good [00:03] Masterx831: I ask 'cos in 13.0 X got tightly couples to hal and dbus. I don't use those, and I had to add some server falgs to the xorg.conf to make X work for me. [00:03] s/couples/coupled/ [00:04] I'm on non graphic using irssi just because i cant startx [00:04] s/falgs/flags/ [00:04] deximat: strange, can be because hal [00:04] samuel: hmmmm, have no idea... :( [00:04] caoliver: what that hell is a falgs [00:05] I meant to type flags. [00:05] lol sorry [00:05] but how would i do that because i have no clue 0.o [00:05] Then you shouldn't be spewing verbal diarrhea about "13.0 sucks" [00:05] I've been witht his problem for 2 weeks already [00:06] vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:06] But that way leads to much hazard. [00:06] roll tide [00:06] Oh, btw, ROLL DAMN TIDE! [00:06] mag0o: :) [00:06] deximat: it's because hal, I'm working for resolve it [00:06] (acutally a GA fan, but SEC comes out on top) [00:06] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: [00:06] slackboy needs P-A-K right about now [00:06] deximat: I have hal too and its not bothering... [00:07] caoliver: do I just add s/couples/coupled/ <--- on the last line on the etc/X11/Xorg.conf? [00:07] No. [00:07] nix_chix3r (n=hellokit@97-127-223-109.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:07] mag0o: understood. I'm the same way for non-Bama teams in the SEC [00:08] deximat: I'm doing it in ubuntu, I hate ubuntu [00:08] Those s/what-i-typed/what-i-meant-to-type/ are corrections to previous lines. [00:08] samuel :( [00:08] Masterx831: Hang a sec. I'll pastebin what I am talking about. [00:09] I'd like to find out if that's the problem first [00:09] Masterx831: ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [00:09] ok [00:09] Yes. Check the modes on those. Also do a 'ps aux' to see in the system dbus and hald are running. [00:10] samuel [00:11] lets go on pvt [00:11] no a/s/l [00:12] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 906 2009-08-01 01:32 /etc/rc.d/rc.hald* [00:12] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1740 2009-06-09 01:00 /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus* [00:12] masterx831@fubx:~$ [00:12] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:12] So those should be running. [00:13] caoliver: let me ps aux [00:13] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] caoliver: I see hald on there but let me check for dbus [00:14] yes it is [00:14] Hmm... [00:14] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:14] lspci | grep -i vga [00:15] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Have we taken a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log? 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[00:17] caoliver: search for my nick name on pastebin.ca the latest one [00:17] Nick change: Guest68044 -> fire|bird [00:18] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [00:18] root@fubx:~# [00:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@buhkit.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] let me post it again [00:20] you my friend should stick to tiddlywinks [00:20] Masterx831: that chipset is screwy [00:20] It's an Xorg bug - you're stuck with the vesa driver. [00:20] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:20] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [00:21] hey would anyone know why df wouldnt be showing me the filesystem root? i had to use an initrd+dmraid to get my fakeraid mounted as the FS root (its a /dev/mapper device) [00:21] There has to be a solution to this caoliver what did you do on etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:21] stillborn (n=root@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware. [00:21] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:21] stillborn kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [00:22] What chipset, RW? [00:22] caoliver: 865 [00:22] Masterx831: there's not. It's not going to work with Xorg in 13.0 [00:23] There's an xorg.conf.vesa in /etc/X11 - you should be able to use it. mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa /etc/X11/xorg.conf [00:23] fwc: paste 'df' output in pastebin [00:24] rworkman: yeah there is but do you want me to rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [00:24] and /proc/mounts output [00:24] roberto [00:24] Masterx831: Where did you get xorg.conf? [00:24] i got kde on a vps at the datacenter, sexy [00:24] nxserver in [00:24] jeev: :) [00:24] i did a giganews speedtest, it's only a 3 meg file but it said 87mbit eh [00:24] http://pastebin.com/d6fda9ae0 [00:24] gosh (i=58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-cwsqpehdupmuuvaa) joined ##slackware. [00:24] whoops mistype [00:25] hi [00:25] rworkman: ok nevermind my mistake you want me to mv [00:25] hold on [00:25] fwc, did you fix it [00:25] http://pastebin.com/d6fda9ea0 [00:25] jeev, fix what, mount/df not showing the FS root? or my raid stuff? :P [00:25] yea [00:25] dmraid [00:25] if I run irssi.Slackbuild, why it creates stuff under / [00:25] jeev, ah yeah dmraid stuff is now working [00:26] wjhat was it [00:26] jeev, there were a few problems.. most recently, realized i had to statically compile dmraid for use in initrd [00:26] fwc: you don't appear to be in the real system right now [00:26] samuel (n=samuel@bhe200150026221.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [00:26] rworkman, uh well.. what system would i be in then? :P [00:27] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.53.214) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:27] fwc: the initrd environment [00:27] samuel (n=samuel@bhe200150026221.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:27] ah [00:27] rworkman, haha umm.. then how would i start X? or be getting 400mb/s from files off of here? [00:27] rworkman: I have proc but not mounts [00:27] fwc: good question. Something isn't right, that's for sure [00:27] Masterx831: I wasn't talking to you [00:28] http://pastebin.com/m59f4a6cd [00:28] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:28] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [00:28] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [00:28] rworkman, yeah.. well i mean the /dev/mapper device is obviously mounted, but i cant figure out why mount/df etc dont know whats mounted on / [00:28] rworkman, never seen this before, dont even know where to start looking heh :( [00:28] fwc: I'm not sure what's going on there. I do know that the problems you're encountering aren't normal. [00:28] How do I format the thumb drive to ext3 format? [00:29] fwc: how did you create your initrd (before deciding that it was bad)? [00:29] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:29] rworkman, yeah, which is weird because i didnt do anything too insane.. [00:29] kleanchap: mkfs.ext3 [00:29] where'd you get the irssi.SlackBuild from? [00:29] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [00:29] rworkman, thnx [00:29] rworkman, mkinitrd -k `uname -r` -f ext3 -r /dev/mapper/pdc_dbbgp2 [00:29] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/n/irssi/irssi.SlackBuild [00:29] root@fubx:~# /proc/mounts output [00:29] -su: /proc/mounts: Permission denied [00:29] root@fubx:~# [00:29] mancha: you can probably find it in ftp.slackware.no under the source directory [00:30] rworkman, then copied dmraid over, and added dmraid exec into the init script in the initrd-tree, then mkinitrd again [00:30] fwc: run /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [00:30] and show me the line it spits out [00:30] mancha: was that directed to me? [00:30] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:30] gosh, it shoulnd't, can you show me pics? [00:30] rworkman, no such thing, its Slack [00:30] rwork, not really :) [00:30] rworkman: He had to hack dmraid stuff into the initrd. [00:30] oh, never mind [00:30] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [00:30] what pics mancha [00:30] XGizzmo: but I don't think he should *have* to do that. [00:31] fwc: 13.0 ships that. [00:31] gosh, pics or it didn't happen. you're saying that runing that puts files in / ? [00:31] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:31] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:31] show me: ls -l / [00:31] fwc: what Slackware version? [00:31] rworkman, ah, sec, i was trying to type it on this one.. im gettin a little silly right now [00:31] rworkman, its a 13.0 box, but uh i didnt make the image from that partition, if that matters [00:32] It does [00:32] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [00:32] See, you *did* do something insane :) [00:32] rworkman, well i couldnt make it from the /dev/mapper partition, i made it frm a PATA drive on that computer [00:32] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:32] rworkman, it spits out mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.32.1-raptor -f ext3 -r /dev/mapper/pdc_dbbgp2 -o /boot/initrd.gz [00:33] oh what [00:33] there is a generator ? [00:33] Action: jeev reads the source [00:33] rworkman, same as what i did minus the clear and output image name (which is the same as the default anyway) [00:33] fwc: okay, do this: /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh -c > /etc/mkinitrd.conf [00:33] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m2ae22c1b [00:34] fwc: then open that and make sure RAID=1 [00:34] `uname -r` = 2.6.32.1-raptor, so what i did was mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.32.1-raptor -f ext3 -r /dev/mapper/pdc_dbbgp2 [00:34] rworkman, its not mdadm [00:34] What is it? [00:34] rworkman, its dmraid + /dev/mapper [00:34] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:34] gosh, oh my, that's bad [00:34] hence the "/dev/mapper/pdc_dbbgp2" :D [00:35] who checks these things before they get puplic? [00:35] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [00:35] fwc: I don't think that's supported in 13.0 any more, but I may be wrong. [00:35] it's 2010 and i'm not a multi millionaire yet.. something must be wrong [00:35] rworkman, it doesnt come with it... i had to write a patch for dmraid to get it to see the metadata on my drives [00:35] rworkman, but yeah, i statically compiled dmraid, put itin the initrd-tree, and did mkinitrd again, the system boots and works fine [00:36] rworkman, so ive gone through no small amount of effort to get this working.. :D [00:36] gosh: the irssi package on 13.0 doesn't have that, so kill the implication that it wasn't checked. [00:36] but running that slackbuild does it [00:36] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:36] fwc: it sounds like something is going wrong in the initrd (maybe with switch_root), but I'm not sure what. I have zero experience with dmraid :/ [00:37] rworkman, should be the same as any other chroot operation, but ill start looking there.. i cant imagine why itd have a problem :\ but thank you very much for trying to help [00:37] there's something screwey with your own perl path [00:37] Sorry I can't help more :/ [00:38] those things in / should be in /usr/lib/perl5/blah/bleh/bloo... [00:38] rworkman, no problem.. i didnt think to look in the init script at all, so ill take a look there and see what i can figure out (if anything) [00:38] gosh: yep, what mancha said. I just built it here and it's fine [00:38] how can it be [00:41] masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] I'm root and i still dont have permission for /proc/mounts output [00:42] Huh? [00:43] cat /proc/mounts is how you get that info. Again, though, nobody asked you for it. [00:43] gosh (i=58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-cwsqpehdupmuuvaa) left irc: "Page closed" [00:43] It's NOT RELEVANT to your problem. [00:43] I've already told you all there is to say about your problem. [00:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:44] rworkman, woa woa woa hang on [00:44] rworkman: yeah confirm it works gave me xfce screen when it boot up but still locks up but still could move my mouse [00:44] that's plain weird [00:44] rworkman, that kinda helps mea tiny bit actually, /proc/mounts shows me /dev/mapper/pdc_dbbgp2 on / [00:45] rworkman, but nothing from mount wtf? does it normally say "rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0" in /proc/mounts? [00:45] let me switch wm maybe fluxbox [00:45] fwc: yeah, that's right [00:46] masterx831: on that chipset, I *strongly* recommend that you stick with 12.2. 13.0 simply isn't going to run well (or at all) in X. [00:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:49] masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:53] masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:54] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:57] hrmm, so ff 3.0.x wasn't eol'd as i thought on nye...so what gives? [00:57] nix_chix3r (n=hellokit@97-127-223-109.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:01] giuppy (n=giuppy@host175-168-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:08] elderK (n=zk@125-236-160-103.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Hey, would anyone mind posting me the default Xmodmap? [01:08] % xmodmap [01:09] It'd really be appreciated. [01:09] no default [01:09] damn. [01:10] is the "initial" xmodmap, the default keymap? [01:10] OSX's X11 has some really weird modmap bindings... [01:10] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon125663.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [01:14] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:14] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [01:15] can anyone help me with this error. I have installed (I thought) all dependancies for the feh application. feh: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object [01:15] file: No such file or directory [01:16] have you got zlib installed? [01:17] yes [01:17] .so.1 sounds wrong to me [01:18] it's zlib3 [01:18] maybe just a symlink [01:18] techwonder: what does /var/log/packages/* show you? [01:18] what does ls -l /usr/lib/libz.so.1 say? [01:18] techwonder: uhm .. /var/log/packages/zlib* I mean. [01:19] Mancha: ls -l shows no such file or dir. [01:19] trying BP's now [01:19] ok so you don't have zlib [01:20] wierd. when I type whereis zlib it comes back with all sorts of paths [01:20] how about: ls -l /usr/lib/libz.* [01:20] techwonder: now, I asked you about "ls -l /var/log/packages/zlib*" [01:20] mancha: which is kinda strange, as libz is also part of aaa_elflibs as well. [01:20] yes, he really hould have that... [01:20] it says no such file or dir. [01:21] BP, except i don't think the symlink is part of elflib, is it? [01:21] I installed the full dvd of 13.0. Must not have been on there? [01:21] tech, it has to be there... [01:21] is this 64 bit btw? [01:21] techwonder: I doubt you did. otherwise it *would* have it. [01:22] /var/log/packages/zlib-1.2.3-x86_64-2 [01:22] ok, do you have /usr/lib64/libz.so.1 ? [01:22] 64 bit and I installed all but the dev part [01:23] mancha: from aaa_elflilb doinst.sh: "( cd usr/lib64 ; ln -sf libz.so.1.2.3 libz.so.1 )" [01:23] /usr/lib64/libz.so.1 [01:23] techwonder: "dev part"? [01:23] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-207-239.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:23] tech, ok so feh is looking in the wrong path for the libs [01:23] default install of 'all' was all but the dev disk [01:23] where's this feh thing being build from? [01:24] .tgz [01:24] BP{k} fair enough, it does do the ln'ing [01:24] feh is a graphic viewer for the terminal [01:24] tech, i mean where'd you get it? [01:24] samuel (n=samuel@bhe200150026221.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [01:24] sounds like it is prebuilt against a 32 bit slack, not a 64 bit like you have [01:24] from the main download site of slackware [01:25] i am giving up very soon [01:25] techwonder: impossible. [01:25] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:25] unless the quality of the answers improves! :) [01:25] I'll give you the addy [01:25] techwonder: can you please provide us with a link? (considering feh is not part of slackware) [01:25] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:26] it appears that the contents of zlib-1.2.3-i486-2.txz does not contain libz.so.1 according to mc [01:26] TriniTuX: back to your corner. [01:26] thats not the issue, the so.1 is a symlink so it won't show up in that [01:26] TriniTuX: (hint: go read the install/doinst/sh) [01:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:26] lol [01:27] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-207-239.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:27] please focus on the right thing to be researching, and that my friend, is the answer to my (and bpk's) question [01:27] doinst.sh* okay my typing is deteriorating with the amount of bourbon I had. ;) [01:27] kentucky? [01:27] your right. I usually get all the packages from slack packages, except it seems, that one [01:28] mancha: yes, Makers Mark. [01:28] that sgtuff makes it all the way out to yurp? [01:29] mancha: aye. :) [01:30] so any suggestions to go from here? [01:30] kapu (n=kapu@cpe-72-224-113-105.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:30] yes, answer the farkin question; where did you get the tgz [01:30] standby, I'll get the url [01:31] what is an efficent *nix way to parse a text file and insert new line characters such that no line exceeds n characters and also no word gets cut in two? [01:31] what you need to do is get the source and build against your 64 bit libs, there might be source packages out there, SBo mayhaps, dunno. [01:32] kapu, cat bad.txt | fold -w n -s > good.txt [01:32] mancha: ty very much. added to my growing nix notes [01:33] note i used "n" as you did. this should be a # when used [01:33] all but glib-solibs was from slackpackage. [01:33] and yer welcome [01:33] mancha: thought so, thanks again! [01:33] kapu (n=kapu@cpe-72-224-113-105.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:33] techwonder: URL. [01:34] mancha: I actually found out about Makers Mark as my favourite whisky (Laphroaig) users Makers Mark barrels. [01:35] www.linuxpackages.net feh is from 10.1 [01:35] well good luck with that. [01:36] so you thought that using a 10.1 32bits package .. on a 64bit 13.0 system was going to work just fine? [01:36] epoch (n=epoch@adsl-99-155-152-190.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:36] I must have missed something because the Howto I read from this install suggested getting packages from there. [01:36] haven't had a problem before now [01:37] techwonder: here's a new piece of advice. [01:37] there are too many things wrong with that picture: a) people don't think too highly of LP.net (i'll let others speak on thaty) 2) things change from 10.1 to 13.0 so to expect a binary from 10.1 to work on 13 is unreasonable i think. c) you are using a 64 bit OS, to expect a 32 bit binary to work there is totally ludicrous unless you do some 32 bit lib co-existing [01:37] Do not *EVER* use linuxpackages.net. [01:37] techwonder: how many other packages have you installed from there? [01:38] almost everything I have downloaded since my install a few days ago [01:38] there were no 64 bit and 10.1 was the most recent [01:38] techwonder: my advice .. use "slackpkg clean-system" and rebuild everythhing with the use of slackbuilds.org and/or sbopkg. [01:39] btw. linuxpackages.net is far from being official, i bet it is not even informally sanctioned. [01:40] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] slackbuilds.org is also not official, but a few of the folks who help run that also help develop slackware officially so you do the math [01:40] is there a way to launch a program but give it a particular process name? i want to launch dzen as "topLeftDzen" and another dzen as "topRightDzen" [01:40] and finally, there's YOU and upstream source! that has always worked! [01:41] wow, thanks. I was thinking that linuxpackage under slackware was THE site. My bad. [01:41] techwonder: the site to get your computer borked ;) [01:41] apparently :) [01:41] slackware is a distro where you take it into your own hands [01:41] :-D [01:41] slackbuilds let you do that ! [01:42] techwonder: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1095 <-=- that should explain enough. [01:42] thats what I liked about it...Ubuntu was turning into a M$ Windows clone to me. [01:42] I will check out the url. [01:42] techwonder the silver lining is that you only just installed so re-installing is not going to be a HUGE issue [01:43] and do the clean-system stuff mentioned [01:43] "shows you the build scripts can be trusted since it allows you to audit it" [01:43] i dunno about that, i don't do slackpkg, you'll have to trust our drunk yurpean for instructions on that [01:43] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] tally ho ladies and nubs !! 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[02:58] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "yes, I would gladly piss on your foot if you did something stupid" [03:02] so, i'm compiling boxee right now [03:02] and i found something interesting [03:02] the source is 183mb, and the windows exe is 44mb [03:02] shouldnt it be the other way around [03:06] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-159.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:07] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:08] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [03:09] source makes more than just an binary. [03:10] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [03:10] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:12] ah, makes sense [03:14] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:24] Urchlay: trying to:d hehe:d [03:25] I probably have o install mac os x again and use refit :d [03:25] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] no idea how the boot sequence works on an x86 mac, I know they don't use a PC-style BIOS [03:27] the MBR is only the MBR because it was defined as such in whatever version of the IBM BIOS first supported booting from hard drives, I suppose a non-PC-BIOS-based machine doesn't have to support the same convention [03:33] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [03:37] maybe. hmm. can anyone tell me how to get oidentd working in slackware? I have installed it and run it.. but it doesnt work. I got it working on another machine. only ipv4.. but I isntalled pidentd first so probably that is running. or should I go for pidentd? [03:41] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:41] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-159.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:46] it doesnt have oidentd.conf either. hmm [03:50] Delahunt (n=robert@fd213-235.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:50] i've been compiling boxee for an hour now [03:50] compiling on a slow single core is boring [03:51] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:51] Reticenti, could be worse: [03:52] i could be compiling the kernel on a 333? [03:52] I've downloaded the Pidgin sources and I want to modify some things. When in the buddy list, if you right click there is a menu with "Buddy Notes" item. Clicking it a window with First Name, Last name, Phone number, Address will appear. I want to change instead of phone no to put IP Address. How do I do that? [03:53] Reticenti, on a 386 16mhz w/o math coprocessor [03:53] Azeotrope, check the format of that xml file and maybe add it as "comments"? [03:53] oh, you want pidgin to tell you other people's IP addresses? [03:54] No no. Just to change the text. [03:54] Delahunt: there is no xml file. only .h, .c etc [03:55] retsudo_ (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:56] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:56] Nick change: retsudo_ -> Guest84697 [03:56] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:57] Azeotrope, no i mean in your ~/.purple/pidgin [03:57] there's a contact list in xml format [03:57] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:57] try finding the format of that file and seeing if you can add comments [03:57] but if you're trying to get it to show you other people's IP addresses i don't know how to do that [03:58] if it's a family member, point them to http://www.whatismyipaddress.com [03:58] fraktil (n=fraktil@ip68-227-80-107.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:01] Delahunt: Pidgin shows by default your buddy's IP address in the "Get Info" menu. I just want to change something in the program. Like instead of "File" "F1lles" [04:02] Azeotrope: and what does it show you when you click that in the get info menu? [04:02] oh [04:03] mrselfpwn: Ip address, status of the buddy, a link to his profile [04:03] which protocal? [04:04] also there is another menu: "Buddy notes" [04:04] chat protocal [04:04] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:04] yahoo [04:04] it doesn't show you their ip [04:04] it does [04:05] Guest84697 (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:06] If the guy is behind a NAT and has ip external ip of 111.222.3.4 and internal one of 192.168.0.101 pidgin will report the internal one [04:06] of not behind nat, it shows the external [04:06] which isn't really useful at all 8-) [04:07] unless you penetrate their NAT [04:07] welp, compiling boxee failed [04:07] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:07] I've never had it show me an IP before. Is that a modified source? [04:07] Nick change: retsudo -> Guest26741 [04:07] On yahoo. [04:08] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:08] can someone take a look at http://www.pastebin.org/72403 and help me build pam_ldap ? [04:08] pretty please [04:09] mrselfpwn: no, original source. [04:09] just curious, because i've never seen an ip using "get info" with pidgin and yahoo [04:09] sounds like it could be a security issue... [04:09] sip related? [04:09] isp* [04:11] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] hi. can anyone tell me how to get oidentd to work? I have installed it from source. and then there should be oidentd.conf in /etc but there is not:( [04:11] The reason i am curious now again is because i'm wondering if my ip is available to others. Though since I am unable to see someone elses, if it wont work for me or what. [04:11] mrselfpwn: no, i don't think so. [04:12] Do you guys want to make some screenshots? [04:12] i thought that a file transfer had to be initiated to gain an ip on im. [04:12] and imagebin them? [04:12] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:13] not really. some text msgs will do [04:13] Azeotrope: would you add me on yahoo so I can see? [04:14] patrick05 (n=chatzill@pasuluzey.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:14] sure [04:14] can you pm your ID [04:14] sure [04:14] grazymax (n=grazymax@host207-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] Kowalczyk: touch /etc/oidentd.conf ? [04:16] Reticenti: but still I need something in. i run oidentd but it doesnt show up in ps x either. and it doesnt work :( [04:17] gutts_ (n=gutts@213.162.50.61) joined ##slackware. [04:17] if you just went "make install" it might be looking for /usr/local/etc/oidentd.conf instead [04:17] Urchlay: how do you prevent that from happening in the future? [04:17] you can check its man page or --help options, see if it's got a debugging or verbose mode you can run it in [04:19] oidentd looks for /etc/oidentd.conf as a standard anyway [04:19] Reticenti: use or write a proper slackbuild that passes appropriate options to configure/make, --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc whatever else is needed [04:19] ah [04:19] so, it's useful to make a slackbuild script for every package? [04:19] I did ./configure && make && make install [04:20] then run it like this: oidentd -g nobody -u nobody and yes I have opened port 1123 [04:20] 113* [04:20] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:20] Reticenti: yes... and if you do, upload it to slackbuilds.org so the next guy doesn't have to [04:21] Urchlay: roger, will do :) [04:21] klirk (n=klirk@e179155157.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [04:21] I have followed all the guide but still nothing. hmm [04:22] Kowalczyk: I don't know anything about oidentd, never touched it... but running it in debug/verbose mode would be a good first step to finding out what's wrong [04:22] ok.. [04:23] if there is no debug or verbose option, you could strace it (strace -o strace.out -f oidentd -options -blah) [04:23] I did oidentd --debug now. and do a -tail -f /var/log/debug but nothing there [04:23] somewhere near the bottom of strace.out you'll find the system call that failed (usually)... [04:23] try /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/syslog [04:24] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:24] aha [04:24] Jan 8 09:27:16 darkstar oidentd[27633]: Fatal: Unable to setup listening socket [04:24] hmmm, what port does the identd protocol use again? [04:24] 113 [04:25] and are you running oidentd as root, or as your regular user? [04:25] (hint: only root is allowed to listen on ports 1 through 1024) [04:25] I startet it as root.. but as the user nobody and group nobodty [04:25] and it worked for everyone else according to slackware forum on lq. ahve read that alot [04:26] but nothing they say works for me [04:26] right, if it works like most programs that switch users, it'll bind to the port as root, then switch users to nobody/nobody [04:26] mmm. but still no go [04:27] are you sure nothing else is using port 113? netstat -plnt|grep 113 (do that as root) [04:27] inetd is using that.. [04:27] there's your problem [04:27] hehe. maybe:d [04:28] either kill inetd, or comment out the auth service in /etc/inetd.conf & restart inetd [04:28] ok :d I will try [04:28] only one process can listen on a given port... so if inetd is already listening on it, then oidentd can't [04:29] no its nothing listening on it [04:29] now maybe [04:29] eh, you just said inetd is using it. Can you paste the line of output from netstat that tells you that? [04:29] but i stopped that :D [04:29] it works now [04:29] ah, cool [04:29] thanks:d [04:30] hello guys... can someone please help me with this http://www.pastebin.org/72403 [04:30] but... still not in ipv6.. [04:30] that was my problem on this box as well. [04:30] if you really need inetd, comment out the auth/identd service in /etc/inetd.conf. If you really don't need inetd, chmod a-x /usr/sbin/inetd [04:30] I get ipv6 oidentd but no ipv6 [04:31] huh? [04:31] ehh [04:31] ipv4 but no ipv6 [04:31] I meant:d [04:31] oidentd 9653 nobody 5u IPv4 999522 TCP *:auth (LISTEN) [04:31] AtuM: try running "autoreconf" beforehand? [04:32] does oidentd even support ipv6? [04:32] yes it does [04:32] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:32] its enabled but default [04:32] hi people [04:32] if so, does it need a --enable-ipv6 flag when you compile it? does it need a flag to enable it at runtime? [04:33] no. its enabled by default it says. but use --disable-ipv6 if you need it [04:33] dont [04:33] a program that i wrote a slackbuild for (task) has been updated. i updated the slackbuild, do i just upload it to sbo as a new submision? [04:33] do you have an ipv6 address? does it resolve to your hostname? does the oidentd.conf need to mention an ipv6 address or something? [04:34] yes I have an ipv6 adress.. [04:34] zoran119: contact the maintainer first (look in the .info file for his email address) [04:34] Urchlay: i'm the mainainer [04:34] oh. Eh, yes, just upload it then [04:34] Urchlay: cool. thanks [04:34] read the bit on the submission screen about keywords [04:35] Urchlay: just didn't want to annoy the admins by doing the wrong thing [04:35] Urchlay: 09:39 !efnet.port80.se *** No Ident response [04:35] :( [04:35] nah, they're OK with you updating your own scripts [04:35] Kowalczyk: is that an ipv6 irc server or something? [04:36] yes it is an ipv6 server [04:36] and I get ipv6 host [04:36] but no ident [04:36] does netstat show oidentd listening on an ipv6 socket? (tcp6 in the first column) [04:37] oidentd 9693 nobody 5u IPv4 999810 TCP *:auth (LISTEN) [04:37] so, no corresponding IPv6 entry? [04:38] no.. [04:38] but I can try upgrading to 2.0.8 I see that is the newest version [04:38] can try that [04:38] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [04:40] when you ran ./configure, did it spit out a "WARNING: not including IPv6 support. [04:40] ? [04:42] I will see now.. [04:42] vil > into a file and see [04:42] will [04:43] configure didnt say anything about ipv6 [04:43] I think it's a case of "no news is good news" then [04:43] no. nothing [04:43] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) joined ##slackware. [04:44] nope. not with 2.0.8 either [04:44] hmm [04:44] what slackware version/arch are you on? [04:45] I'm building it on slackware64 13.0 (because yes, I am that bored...) [04:45] 13.0 [04:45] 32 bits [04:45] OK [04:45] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:45] alisonken1noc: :) [04:46] ok - we have 64-current on the desktop [04:46] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:46] I can shut off my laptop now [04:46] :P [04:47] mindbendr (n=neveraga@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:47] messages dont show anything for the ipv6. just for the ipv4hmm [04:48] I take it you're running oidentd on a box that's directly connected to the net, or anyway not behind a NAT? [04:48] its connecte through a router. it worked in debian with the same router.. [04:49] as I have the same router there as my home [04:49] a non-NAT router? [04:49] (almost certainly not though) [04:49] its probably nat.. [04:49] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [04:49] "probably" [04:49] hehe:d [04:50] to get ipv4 identd working, you had to forward port 113 on the router to the linux box, right? have you done the same for ipv6 port 113? [04:50] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:50] yes I have. 113.. shouldnt have to do that? havent done that before.. [04:50] (or are you doing tunnelling, so the router doesn't know/care that you're using ipv6?) [04:50] doing tunneling [04:50] ok [04:51] anyway. The root cause of the problem seems to be that oidentd isn't listening on a tcp6 port at all [04:51] yes.. [04:52] yeah, I'm getting the same results as you: oidentd's listening on a tcp socket but not a tcp6 one [04:53] hmm. it worked for me in debian. without doing nothing. weird and not funny... :P [04:55] maybe a line I have to add to inetd.conf and force it to be tcp6? hmm. I dont know:d [04:55] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:55] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [04:55] nope [04:56] looking at the debian package: http://packages.debian.org/sid/oidentd [04:56] on that page is a oidentd_2.0.8-3.diff.gz with debian's patches (they don't distribute it as-is) [04:57] near the top of that file I see something that says exactly what's going on here: by default if ipv4 and ipv6 addresses for an interface are present, oidentd only uses the ipv4 address. [04:57] ok. hmm [04:57] A workaround is to set /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only to 1 according to +http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man7/ipv6.7.html [04:58] eh, that looks like you might have to run 2 instances of oidentd (one each for ipv4 + ipv6). /me checks [04:58] "/proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only" E667: Fsync failed [04:58] when I set it to 1 [04:58] really? [04:59] yes [05:00] what command did you use to set it to 1? [05:00] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:00] hehe.. probably wrong since iom a noob at that. tried vim:d hihi:d but I figured that is wrong:) hihihi:d [05:00] (what the heck is "E667: Fsync failed" coming from, I mean? It's not a normal error message you get from standard tools like cat or echo) [05:00] no [05:01] can try echo then [05:01] oh, it's a vim error. You can't edit /proc files, they're not real files [05:01] echo worked [05:01] as root, "echo 1 > /proc/whateveritwas" [05:01] ok:) [05:01] done. I will try now [05:01] yeah, that seems to have worked. But I kinda wonder what effect this will have on the rest of your system [05:02] :P [05:02] I suppose you could write an init script that sets that flag to 1, runs oidentd, then sets it back to 0 [05:02] wee:d [05:02] it worked [05:03] hmm. but I wonder as well if its okay [05:03] man ipv6 [05:03] search within the man page for "bindv6only" [05:04] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.170) joined ##slackware. [05:04] If this flag is set to false (zero), then the socket can be used to send and receive packets to and from an IPv6 address or an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address. [05:04] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.170) left irc: Client Quit [05:05] just says the default value is 0 [05:05] ah, the proper way to fix oidentd would be to patch it so it sets IPV6_V6ONLY to 1 itself (which only affects the oidentd process, not the entire system)( [05:05] If this flag is set to true (non-zero), then the socket is restricted to sending and receiving IPv6 packets only. In this case, an IPv4 and an IPv6 application can bind to a single port at the same time. [05:05] hacfed (n=fed@host86-140-249-96.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:06] yeah, I can read it here too. I was telling you where to find the documentation that would help you decide whether you want to leave that bindv6only option set to 1 or not [05:06] (if you do want it set to 1 always, you better set it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local or something, so it survives across a reboot) [05:06] doesnt look like its dangerous for the rest of the system anyway.. [05:06] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:07] it'll only affect ipv6 apps if I'm reading this correctly (and only ones that listen on a port, e.g. servers, not clients) [05:07] looks like it:) thank you very much Urchlay :) [05:07] i appreciate it:) [05:07] I really love the slackware community :) [05:07] no problem. This is what I do when I get insomnia... [05:08] it's 5AM, I can't sleep, and can't think of anything else to do, so I find someone with a problem and try to solve it [05:08] hehe:) you are kind:) [05:09] its 11:08 am here [05:09] Urchlay, pig latin for "lurch"? [05:09] Delahunt: yep. Not many people get that, you'd win a cigar if I were having a contest :) [05:10] i realized tonight that i can switch between korean and japanese (although i barely know any of either) [05:10] so i guess i have a knack for this [05:10] ok - adobe flash plugin r42 kills firefox 3 in slackware64-current [05:11] dngr (n=dngr@n112118170048.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:11] :P [05:11] is that version of adobe flash a beta release? [05:11] the one from sbo [05:11] sbopkg [05:11] alisonken1noc: you mean firefox 3.5? [05:11] slackbuilds [05:11] alisonken1noc: did you run slack64 13.0 on the same hardware, and flash plugin worked fine? [05:11] 3.5.6 [05:11] yes [05:12] well, I have 13.0 installed at home and it works there [05:12] i had minor issues with flash plugin with slack64-13.0 with the flash plugin [05:12] I just upgraded this machine to 64-current this morning [05:12] there would seem to be these random sites (very rare too) that would bring down flash and subsequently firefox [05:13] bzzzt, I said "same hardware". Turns out some earlier amd64 CPUs are missing an instruction from their instruction set that's present on all later versions... and the flash plugin binary uses that instruction in certain code paths (but not always, so it sometimes works) [05:13] no - firefox dies with "/usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.6/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 15035 Illegal instruction "$prog" ${1+"$@"}" [05:13] so, i'm going to attempt to change to zsh, do any of you have some required reading on how to properly learn zsh? [05:13] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-180-188.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] alisonken1noc: that's exactly the symptom I was getting. Hold one sec for the URL to the fix... [05:14] this one's a dell [05:15] alisonken1noc: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi%3Fid%3D198604&ei=lwVHS_OUOMKVtgfuj7HmAQ&sa=X&oi=spellmeleon_result&resnum=1&ct=result&ved=0CAcQhgIwAA&usg=AFQjCNFNYsAI8uJKGCWKpFAbN0s3PSBPOw [05:15] oh cripes that's a long URL [05:15] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.53.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:16] Urchlay: don't "copy link" from a google search :P [05:16] there's a copy of the C source here, too: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/install-flash-player-under-slackware-13-x64-770337/ [05:16] Dell Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz [05:16] Reticenti: well, you used to be able to do that [05:16] dual core [05:16] alisonken1noc: try the lahf fix [05:16] Urchlay: they changed it, which is slightly annoying [05:16] s/slightly/highly/ actually [05:17] yeah [05:17] tru dat [05:19] the name darkstar come from on the servers "at slackware" right? [05:20] alisonken1noc: fire|bird and I both had the same problem with flash crashing with "illegal instruction", he found the fix, and it works for both of us. I wish there were a way to get it into official slackware (since flash is in /extra, it'd be nice if the lahf fix could be installed as part of the slack package) [05:20] one of the* [05:20] Kowalczyk: actually I suspect Pat got the name "darkstar" from the movie "Dark Star" (John Carpenter's student film, *really* bad but funny) [05:20] ok :) hehe [05:21] I just kept the name on the server at my mom's place :d [05:21] i kind of liked it [05:22] yeah, it's a cool name [05:22] ok - looks like it worked for this intel box as well [05:22] alisonken1noc: yeah, I think I typed "amd64" when I should have typed "x86_64" above [05:22] remember it's not really amd64 [05:23] (i.e. slack64) [05:23] *shrug*, mine is, it tells me it's an athlon64 [05:23] I haven't been able to afford to buy a new CPU and motherboard in eons, so I'm not really paying attention to what the newer CPUs are called or what they're capable of [05:24] (I'll start caring again when someone's paying me to care, I guess) [05:24] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:25] hehe [05:25] Urchlay: i have an athlon 64 as well o/\o [05:25] the other thing which is annoying is that gcc doesn't have a "amd64" processor option, only athlon64 if we wanted to be picky 8-) [05:25] well, this one reports as genuine intel, so it works for that as well [05:26] it's abode's fault for enabling whatever compiler optimization they used that turned on the use of that instruction [05:26] (gcc doesn't use it by default, I dunno what compiler adobe uses but I bet it's gcc) [05:26] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:26] one more reason why I hate closed source software [05:27] is anyone in here by chance familiar with a term emulator for windows? the shell is just ugly in win7. xterm for win7 without cygwin? [05:27] technically slackware64 is compiled -O2 -fPIC arch="x86_64" with libdirsuffix=64 [05:27] eh, yeah, I've written a few hundred slackbuild scripts with that in them :) [05:27] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:27] all i seem to be finding are ssh and telnet clients lol [05:28] surely someone has done this. [05:28] dartmouth: heh, run a sshd locally and use putty to ssh to localhost :) [05:28] is that really as good as it gets? that's kind of assbackwards [05:28] you could try copying cmd.exe from a windows xp box, see if it'll run [05:29] I've never touched win 7, what's ugly about the shell? [05:29] you just can't really customize it, and i dont like not being able to highlight stuff to copy. [05:30] you mean you have to hit ctrl-C or something to copy? [05:30] that's kinda standard on windows [05:31] well i just dont like it dammit lol [05:31] why not go ahead and use cygwin and its xterm? [05:31] because cygwin is huge. [05:31] you don't have to install every package that it comes with [05:31] im cramped for storage space. [05:31] ok - next to get huludesktop working and see how it does [05:31] IIRC, you initially download a small installer that gives you a menu of components to install, then goes & downloads the stuff you selected [05:31] also, cygwin is funky; i'll be working with a local windows installation of strawberry perl and python. [05:35] i have a question: if you find a way to craft a packet, let's say the packet sequence you receive from google when connecting to the page, and you send those packets to somebody's IP, will the google page appear on their screen? [05:35] bypassing tcp 3way handshake or so [05:35] Azeotrope, no. [05:36] Azeotrope, no. no. no. [05:36] you silly little man. [05:36] not even a ping packet can be crafted? [05:36] you can craft the packets all day, it won't make their client do a darned thing. [05:36] Azeotrope: You need to do some serious learning [05:37] best you can hope to do with that is confuse the hell out of their network. [05:37] still [05:37] Zordrak: I know. where to start? [05:37] Azeotrope: http://www.google.com/ [05:37] SETKEH (n=setkeh@CPE-121-219-143-77.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:38] http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS336US336&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=basic+networking+crash+course [05:38] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=network+theory [05:39] Zordrak, smartassed as it is, everyone could benefit from reading up on it once in a while. [05:39] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [05:41] i was thinking logically, noobly. i one can record packets received while listening online radio for 10 minutes, why couldn't you playback the sequence later. i mean, modifying packets so to be sent to a designated IP address [05:41] SETKEH (n=setkeh@CPE-121-219-143-77.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [05:41] and kill that guy with the same 10 minutes of music [05:41] Xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:41] SETKEH (n=setkeh@CPE-121-219-143-77.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Because the packets are travelling between applications that are experting them [05:41] *expecting [05:43] Azeotrope, if you are just wanting to boot someone off the network, try using virtual interfaces spewing packets while arp spoofing as them. [05:44] dartmouth: i don't wanna do that. i only know very little about networking and i put myself lots of questions [05:44] You need a networking course. [05:45] You need a structured learning program. [05:45] so what does packet crafting really do? [05:45] You will not find that here. [05:45] Zordrak: yea. [05:45] Zordrak, i'd tell him to check out #networking but those guys would make him their punishment mascot. [05:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:46] :)) [05:47] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.45) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Somebody in #remote-exploit sais that slackware days are over [05:54] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:55] Azeotrope, they said that to you because you're new and they think you'll tell people that when trying to sound knowledgable. [05:55] it's distro-war propaganda, we call it 'FUD'. [05:56] :)) [05:56] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [05:56] like the people who run slack follow fads [05:56] you serious? [05:56] Azeotrope, most of the kids in #remote-exploit are using slackware-based script-kiddie distros loaded up with tools they don't know what to do anything with. [05:57] Like backtrack-- literally is a derivative of slackware. [05:57] they based it on ubuntu now [05:57] So you go back there and tell those young men they are full of the deepest, darkest horse shit. [05:58] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:59] What? [05:59] Who told you backtrack was based on ubuntu? [05:59] Are you just making stuff up for attention or is there really someone that stupid? [05:59] script kiddie distros? [06:00] they [06:00] who cares about distros anyway [06:00] `they`? [06:00] oooooh ominous. [06:00] the babies we don't speak about [06:00] a distro is only a kernel and a set of packages [06:00] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [06:01] http://gentoopebble.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/backtrack-4-beta/ [06:02] do i sound like making stuff up for attention? [06:02] SkyTV, yeah, but a combination of the endless multitudes of variety and coupled with support scripts, tools, and precompiled binary packages to such a level of complexity and diversity that them being the same operating system is only by a technicality, especially when you look at the security rules (e.g. compare ubuntu and slackware) [06:03] oh my god, they're basing backtrack on ubuntu lol [06:03] just when you think it can't be any more of a useless toy. [06:04] lol [06:04] there may be alot to choose from but its all structured and i don't think its complicated [06:04] well better ubuntu than windows [06:04] lol [06:04] who needs a hacking tool you have to register when you install [06:04] "watch me hack you from an insecure platform!" [06:04] ubuntu is more user-friendly [06:04] it depends [06:05] ubuntu is less user friendly than windows ... if viruses are your users 8-) [06:05] a gui is more friendly when all the user can do is hunt and peck [06:05] if you mean "easy for the completely computer illiterate", then yes, ubuntu is. [06:05] if the user is me, though, or a good chunk of the regulars in this channel, ubuntu is user-hostile [06:06] if you got someone who can read, then they should be able to use slack [06:06] s/can/can and will/ [06:06] yeah i was about to say, i have a much more difficult time using ubuntu for anything real besides checking my email [06:06] plenty of people think they should never have to read again, once they get out of school [06:06] (or if they're in school, they think reading is something to be done only when forced to) [06:06] i hate the way redhat doesn't everything thru stupid scripts as if text editing is too hard [06:06] Urchlay, once they get out? lol come on you give people far too much credit. [06:07] they expect that before they even finish their BAC [06:07] yeah ubuntu is user hostile for me too. the most user-friendly distro i've used that i could tolerate if there were no slackware would be mandriva (but that's due to long experience with them) [06:07] Delahunt, i found freebsd to be quite friendly [06:08] yeah i know of freebsd, it's ok for my needs [06:08] but if i give out linux to someone who is a complete n00b i give out mandriva because i know my way around it, and because it's not a complete pile of garbage [06:09] but if it's a total n00b that i will have to supervise and/or administer remotely, slackware it is [06:09] SkyTV, ive considered trying out fedora for a while [06:09] anyway, backtrack is kinda cool if you don't want to spend time gathering and customizing all the tools [06:09] SkyTV, how is it for a slacker? [06:09] so whats the difference between a "complete" and a "total" n00b? [06:10] Azeotrope, you meant to say 'learning how to use the tools' not 'spend time gathering and customizing all the tools'. That's exactly what you meant. [06:10] BP{k}, Azeotrope is a total n00b because he's new to it; I'm a complete newb because I'm not lol [06:10] BP{k}, to me, complete n00b means they have hope but are new to Linux. total n00b means they'll never change so i will have to change their diaper for them [06:11] n00bness has a halflife lol [06:11] it wasn't too hard to figure out, but things i'd do with a quick edit ended up taking a couple of steps because of how they manage their init scripts [06:11] No. Installing and customizing. You have a livecd, you boot it and voila! all apps there [06:11] Azeotrope, what apps? [06:11] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:12] hacking apps... hydra, password cracking tools, etc [06:12] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [06:12] Azeotrope, which apps, specifically, did you have in mind? [06:12] i for one, dont see the need for apt-get, yum and all the other package managers they have [06:12] What I mean is, which apps do you actually use on it? [06:12] actually, pentesting toolds [06:13] Because I would bet money you haven't ever needed to use a single tool on that distro and spend all your time cycling through the list of tools hoping you can get something to happen on the first couple of tries because you want to be a hacker. [06:13] So you can show your dorm buddy and make him think you are 1337. [06:14] having all in one place is a good thing [06:14] pfft [06:14] I know this because I, too, was a jackass in college. Now I am a jackass not in college. [06:14] the combination of "install everything on the network" and "a default install has almost nothing" in debian, really irritates me [06:14] 1337 1$ 4$ 1337 |)03$ [06:14] not exactly. i'm not a hacker wannabe [06:14] yeah debian install options can be alarming and confusing sometimes [06:14] network quits working, I ain't got traceroute or nslookup on a stock install, and hey, guess what, "apt-get install traceroute" won't work because the network is down [06:14] freebsd and slackware's installers are a lot alike, which i like [06:14] apt-get aclue [06:15] Urchlay, and the compiling for days doesn't [06:15] Azeotrope, oh you're one of those new hacker wannabes who doesn't want to come across like a hacker wannabe. It's cool I can dig it ;) [06:15] [06:15] compiling wha? I was talking about a stock install of debian vs. a stock install of slack [06:15] its not a real debian install unless you wait 3 days to compile it [06:16] you're thinking of gentoo [06:16] doh [06:16] sorry [06:16] dartmouth: you have problems. go to therapy. I said i'm just playing with backtrack [06:16] i don't use either [06:16] guax (n=guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [06:16] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-206.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [06:16] Azeotrope, ok, so you're just playing with it and don't know how to use those tools. Like I said. [06:16] i don't watch myself in the webcam while "hacking: [06:17] dartmouth: how is he supposed to learn? some of us are "hands-on" learners [06:17] yeah you do. you take pictures of your xterm and put it on your myspace. [06:17] trying to learn [06:17] dartmouth: because you know better. you know yourself [06:18] i dislike that entire mentality because I had to have it beaten out of me lol [06:18] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-206.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [06:19] and what is your mentality now? [06:19] bleah, I got lime juice on my fingers like 11 hours ago, washed them multiple times, they still smell like limes [06:19] were they good limes? [06:19] yeah [06:20] just now my eye itched, I tried to rub it, managed to get traces of lime juice in my eye. Ugh. [06:20] you might wanna try washing your hands better, maybe theres something on the back [06:20] nah, I washed 'em thoroughly [06:21] hot water? [06:21] it should dissolve readily [06:21] i'm watching CEH v6 [06:21] being as I was cooking dinner, then switched to playing the bass... I'm paranoid about getting gunk on my bass strings, the damn things are too expensive, so I wash the hell out of my hands [06:22] maybe something you handled in the interim is still covered [06:22] *shrug*, it's only annoying, not fatal [06:24] Urchlay, how many strins? [06:24] s/strins/strings [06:24] lordkefir (n=lordkefi@89.238.76.224) joined ##slackware. [06:24] Urchlay: FYI this is where the inspiration for "darkstar" came from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_%28song%29 [06:24] 5 on the one I was playing last night [06:25] you ever hear of abraham laboriel? [06:25] alienBOB: ahh, Pat and John Carpenter both got it from the Grateful Dead. Shoulda known. [06:25] SkyTV: no... bass player? [06:25] yeah, my favorite [06:26] you've never heard anyone so dexterous [06:26] steve rodby is my 2nd but doesn't solo he plays for pat metheny [06:26] watching/listening on youtube now [06:27] victor wooten = amazing [06:27] wow, i wanna watch too [06:27] also, WTF was the guy's name... [06:27] yeah, he is good [06:27] tunes his own scale? [06:28] i can't think of it either [06:28] jayen varma, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_hAFabslho [06:30] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) joined ##slackware. [06:30] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:33] dude has some nice licks [06:34] the guitar player playing with him ain't too shabby either [06:34] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:38] that idea of looking on youtube was great, i haven't seen a new abraham performance in such a long time [06:38] planktum (n=planktum@200.28.91.220) joined ##slackware. [06:40] planktum (n=planktum@200.28.91.220) left irc: Client Quit [06:40] i feel like i'm getting back in touch with an old friend, all i have to listen to are his albums [06:41] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-244-78-56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] morning [06:42] dtanner: morning [06:48] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:52] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.165.43) joined ##slackware. [06:53] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-153.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-153.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] hey all [06:56] SETKEH (n=setkeh@CPE-121-219-143-77.lnse2.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [06:56] would it be ok use everything else on -current with 13.0 kernel 2.6.29? [06:57] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [06:57] should be, the packages don't care about the kernel as much as the libs [06:57] Nick change: SkyTV -> Skywise [07:00] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-iaspbzylfdhftcoq) joined ##slackware. [07:00] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:00] sherri (n=sherri@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [07:01] What's a good way to search the package tree? [07:01] I was using [07:01] http://packages.slackware.it/ [07:02] but .. [07:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Urchlay, check out these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUwINMW0MbI [07:07] stan clarke is the bassist i was thinking of [07:10] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:11] hmm windowmaker. 1.3MB package size when compiled -Os -march=pentium-m -mtune=core2, 1.7MB in slackware 13 [07:11] Action: Delahunt is fascinated [07:11] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:12] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.165.43) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:13] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:14] sherri (n=sherri@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [07:14] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [07:15] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:16] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) joined ##slackware. [07:19] sirius (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:24] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.96.4) joined ##slackware. [07:24] sherri (n=sherri@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [07:26] i like wmaker from years gone by... need to give it a try again [07:26] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:27] anyone have an alternate way to search the package tree? (since the "Slackware Package Browser" is [still] down.)? [07:28] sherri: download the file PACKAGES>TXT and grep it [07:28] PACKAGES.TXT [07:29] grep -i mplayer PACLAGES.TXT <- for instance [07:29] or use find and look thru the distro files [07:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] dtanner: That works. Thanks. [07:31] np [07:32] i was going to suggest `grep "mplayer*txz" PACKAGES.TXT` but for some reason grep doesn't like the *(wildcard) with or without the quotes [07:32] Action: dtanner tries to wake up [07:32] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [07:32] then you would get a cleaner output [07:32] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [07:32] Nick change: zecafig -> zecasmoke [07:32] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:32] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Just saw the cooles piece of ascii-art (from fortune): [07:34] http://pastebin.com/f585bfa29 [07:34] Thought I'd share.... [07:34] sherri: http://packages.slackverse.org/ <-- that might help to. [07:34] anyone knw why the wildcard is not being used by grep ? -> ex: grep -i mplayer*txz PACKAGES.TXT OR grep -i "mplayer*txz" PACKAGES.TXT ? something simple but I am just curious [07:34] (And now I know that fortune is from bsd-games) [07:35] i put ascii art in /etc/motd but to keep it from getting wiped out on the next boot you got to remove a stanza from rc.S that puts the kernel version in there [07:36] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [07:38] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p579B57B7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] dartmouth: Inside the quotes... well I just don't think * will be understood as wildcard... Will it? [07:38] wrong nic sorry. [07:38] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.40.136) joined ##slackware. [07:39] nick* [07:39] you can always to a double grep : " grep -i mplayer PACKAGES.TXT | grep .txz [07:39] " [07:39] sherri: here it is for a wildcard match and a cleaner output -> grep -i mplayer.*txz PACKAGES.TXT [07:40] you shouold get nothing but packages in your output now [07:41] dtanner, try grep -ie 'mplayer.*txz' PACKAGES.TXT [07:41] that should tell grep to expect a regular expresion [07:41] nachox: thanks, the former works but that is good to know [07:42] here is a nice grep page I found... http://www.panix.com/~elflord/unix/grep.html [07:42] of course nothing replaces the manpages but I'm just sayin =) [07:43] especially early in the morning [07:43] Action: dtanner loads his pipe [07:43] I think I just ruined something, but not sure. [07:44] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) joined ##slackware. [07:44] I went to slackbuilds.org and got mplayer and the codecs[all] and installed it, [not realizing that MPlayer-r29390-i486-1.txz 7280K slackware/xap [07:44] was already installed [07:45] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [07:45] sherri: uninstall the packagew you just installed and reinstall the original package [07:45] dtanner: Ok, yea, I'll do that.. Yea that should work. [07:47] filesmasta (n=filesmas@92.1.247.78) joined ##slackware. [07:47] NEW TORRENT SEARCH SITE http://Torrentpirates.org [07:48] filesmasta (n=filesmas@92.1.247.78) left irc: Client Quit [07:50] damnit [07:50] Dominian, around? [07:51] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:52] Stx, around? [07:52] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:54] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.165.43) joined ##slackware. [07:56] Nick change: zecasmoke -> zecafig [07:56] yes => grep -i edwa*.*d /home/dtanner/*/Oliva-Serie-O.abw [07:56] amang (n=matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:57] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Does 13.0 include the dns tool dig? [07:57] yes => grep -i edwa.*.*d /home/dtanner/*/Oliva-Serie-O.abw [07:57] I can't seem to find it [07:57] I know it's in 12.2 [07:57] amang: yes its part of the bind package [07:57] Ah [07:57] makes sense [07:57] Action: amang slackpkg's [07:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [07:58] no => grep -i edwa*d /home/dtanner/*/Oliva-Serie-O.abw [07:59] not tring to flood .. just tooearly for me guys [07:59] Thanks, sahk0 [07:59] np:) [08:00] amang (n=matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [08:00] nachox: oh and -ie `*` works too. so now I have relearned that ... too stoned too early .. now I will light the "Bob" pipe [08:00] hehe [08:01] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:01] mmmm this Delirium frmo my local tobbaconist is good cavendish [08:03] filespirate1 (n=filespir@92.1.247.78) joined ##slackware. [08:03] filespirate1 (n=filespir@92.1.247.78) left irc: Client Quit [08:03] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) joined ##slackware. [08:03] theblackerbox (n=sammo@89.240.17.24) joined ##slackware. [08:04] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:04] Nick change: theblackerbox -> theblackbox [08:05] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-249-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:06] :O hi there [08:06] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:06] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.40.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:07] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [08:15] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] jdetring_ (n=jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:31] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-169-114.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:31] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:45] nachox: I'm around now [08:45] Dominian, there was a guy switching channels advertizing some new and possibly illegal torrent site [08:46] oh? [08:46] [filespirate1] (n=filespir@92.1.247.78): SearchIRC Java User [08:46] can you PM me what he was posting? 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[08:58] dtanner, anyway, you might try #alt.smokers.pipes on undernet . it used to have some people in the evening chatting about pipes and baccy. i used to be a pipe smoker but now more cigars [09:00] here [09:00] haldir: thanks, i smoke cigars regularly.. dailt in fact , what channel are you in for that and net ? [09:00] s/dailt/daily/ [09:01] never did a chat for cigars. pipes seem more of a club than cigars. the act of packing lighting, choosing blends, etc [09:01] they were a pretty good bunch of guys on there [09:02] haldir: you like the Lane RLP6 or 1q blend? [09:02] i never smoke much of the bulk back then. more of the tins, navy flake, etc. the only bulks that i liked were the english ones [09:03] baccy stores rename them of course but you can purchase straight from Lane in bulk on the net, those are the two used mostly when stores blend for a base ( i just learned this lst week) [09:03] haldir i have tried 2 english blends [09:03] different, more "clovey" [09:03] some less on that , i like the stouter one i had with less clove flavor [09:04] i dont know enough yet . i want to learn more about pipe baccy [09:04] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] just trying different stuff, never had any in the tins yet [09:04] there is the usenet group that they are based upon too alt.smokers.pipes [09:04] i would loke to try the Davidoff [09:05] the tins didnt used to be as expensive as they are now [09:07] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:10] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-089-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-244-78-56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Changing server" [09:15] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-244-78-56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-244-78-56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] theblackerbox (n=sammo@78.151.188.29) joined ##slackware. [09:20] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] metrofox1 (n=metrofox@ppp-194-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. 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[11:12] it updated FH_DATE_PAST_20XX [11:12] and i got mail marked as spam [11:12] score FH_DATE_PAST_20XX 0.0 [11:13] yea i just set t ht [11:13] that [11:13] put that in your sa-mimedefang.cf [11:13] maybe it' cause i didn't restart spamd [11:13] yes [11:13] you have to after you make those changes [11:13] yea [11:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:14] Dumbix (n=ence@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:14] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-226-221.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:15] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:15] hugo1123 (i=hugo1123@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@server1.bshellz.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:15] hugo1123 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Stop wasting my oxygen. [11:15] hi folks [11:16] hey folk [11:16] :P [11:16] booo [11:17] Action: macavity almost got scared [11:18] so, what about 'em squirels? [11:18] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:21] am i the only one who cant get wicd to act right when it comes to overriding the DNS servers in the dhcp lease? [11:21] gar0t0_ (n=gar0t0@189-69-93-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:22] it simply seems to ignore the "Global DNS servers" setting [11:22] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [11:22] guess so - it usually works on my laptop [11:22] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:22] macavity: last I checked, it worked for me. [11:22] what does that do NaCl, pass -r ? [11:22] and you both use custom DNS settings? [11:23] I did for a bit. [11:23] gar0t0_ (n=gar0t0@189-69-93-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [11:23] I added 4.2.2.1 to my DNS. [11:23] utterly strange... [11:23] For a little bit, and wicd seemed to cooperate. [11:23] mixed - one uses dns settings, two use global, and one uses fixed [11:23] Hello Everyone :) [11:23] Ech (n=Me@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [11:23] s/dns settings/dhcp settings/ [11:23] macavity: I stopped doing that once DNS resolves took about 0.5 seconds to complete [11:24] NaCl: my ISP's DNS service is no longer acceptable [11:24] NaCl: so i rely on google's [11:24] its not too hard to setup your own [11:25] just install bind and setup a caching only nameserver [11:25] Sky, i don't think that's the point here [11:25] :) [11:25] hello all [11:25] NaCl: the problem is the ISP hardcoded the router to reset the custom DNS field on every reboot (it remembers *all* other settings) [11:25] oic [11:26] macavity: can't set it to bridge? [11:26] so you have a dynamic ip [11:26] NaCl: i dont have a spare box to handle the NAT [11:26] altering settings on the modem can void the contract, i know on my isp they won't close the account, they just won't support the modem anymore [11:27] Skywise: oh they are lax in that regard.. as they can always just say "reboot the router" and know that it is working well enough for them to remotely flash it [11:27] macavity: blah. :/ [11:28] yeah, thats fine, but its not the same as changing the routers settings [11:28] i had to close SNMP to prevent them from resetting my QoS settings every 8 hours :P [11:28] but more to the point, your workstations can use their own dns settings [11:28] and thats the original problem [11:28] wiced seems to disregard the Global DNS settins [11:28] oh i guess i didn't scroll back far enough [11:29] completely and utterly disregard it.. on both this workstation and on my laptop [11:29] so things are failing to resolve or its using your isps dns servers instead of what you wanted [11:29] and if i just chmod /etc/resolv.conf to read only, dhcpcd chokes and takes down the interface [11:30] lol [11:30] you could always setup a static addy for your lan [11:30] its as if dhcpcd doesnt care when wicd tells it to not obtain the DNS settings [11:30] but without changing your dhcp server's settings you are in an uphill battle [11:31] macavity: wicd (afaict) just nukes the resolv.conf [11:31] then maybe the fix is in changing the client [11:31] IIRC, rather. [11:31] id prefere to get this issue tracked down.. as i have heard other people voise dhcpcd problems in here recently [11:31] macavity: consider this for a moment [11:31] NaCl: apparently not [11:32] If people keep on complaining about 1.6/1.7 not working, we're never going to be able to get the rewrite done. [11:32] as it still puts in the the broken "search" line that i only get via dhcp [11:32] NaCl: you are on the wicd team? [11:33] yep, wrote wicd-curses and help with general stuff [11:33] haven't been doing a lot recently, though. [11:33] macavity, the -R option on dhcpcd prevents it from replacing an existing resolv.conf file [11:33] could you be assed to double check whatever wicd hardwrites the /etc/resolv.conf before or after dhcpd returns? [11:34] macavity: did you try the global DNS and the DNS for that particular connection? [11:34] Skywise: wicd doesnt allow me to pass extra options to dhcpcd (at least not in teh gui) [11:34] doesn't dhcpcd in general blow away resolv.conf ? [11:34] yes [11:35] and all wicd does is call dhcpcd, so of course it should too :) [11:35] SlackerJoe (n=jcherney@cpe-74-70-49-185.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:35] you can also put options in /etc/dhcpc [11:35] macavity: that feature is hidden to prevent people from "breaking things" [11:35] ? [11:35] ill look at the dotfiles then [11:35] macavity, what if you manually rm resolv.conf, and have wicd connect? [11:35] macavity: sorry, the feature does not exist. [11:36] To prevent people from breaking things. [11:36] ah, ok [11:36] macavity: did you try the global DNS and the DNS for that particular connection? [11:37] NaCl: global [11:37] try the per-connection one. [11:37] That's the one I remember working for me. [11:37] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Nick change: Ech -> ech [11:38] ok, it doesnt change it emidiately [11:38] eh? [11:38] lets see if i cycle the connection [11:38] i hit "properties" -> use statick DNS [11:38] didnt change resolv.conf [11:39] but ill have to wait with breaking the connection untill slackpkg is done upgrading [11:39] macavity: yeah, that'll have to wait [11:39] Make sure you put your DNS IP into the per-connection settings. [11:40] Otherwise it will definitely not work. [11:40] 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 [11:40] obviously :P [11:40] tsonev_ (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [11:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] heh, it would suck if it would change things runtime by editing prefs [11:41] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:41] i find that the most intuitive [11:42] i change the DNS and hit [OK], and expect it to use the new settings on everything i do from now on :P [11:42] macavity: that will confuse people. :P [11:42] naturally firefox is a bitch about it... since it caches DNS lookups for *way* longer than it should [11:42] that would suck [11:43] i would think that checking static dns just calls dhcpcd with the -R flag [11:43] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176065120.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Sky it doesn't i just looked at the code, it lets dhcpcd do what it wants and then it overwrites itself [11:43] sheesh [11:43] who wrote that crap [11:43] mancha: referring to wicd? sounds about right [11:43] Skywise: not me. :P [11:43] lol [11:44] uhm, then what happens the 3600 secconds later when dhcpcd obtains a new lease? [11:44] does dhcpcd then just overwrite what wicd wrote, and wicd doesnt know/care? :P [11:44] ...sounds about right. But IDK for sure. [11:45] Wicd is not aware of when leases are reobtained. [11:45] ok, broken by design then [11:45] macavity: complain in #wicd [11:45] or maybe i should just set it to use dhclient and see if that changes anything [11:45] how do you save a log using irssi o.0 [11:45] read the irssi faq [11:45] ok [11:46] dhclient is like dhcpcd's cousin with down syndrome [11:46] masterx831: /help log [11:46] mancha: I'm seeing problems that are going to make wicd 2.0 hard to implement. :/ [11:46] komentarze_listy (n=komentar@unaffiliated/komentarze) left irc: Client Quit [11:46] macavity: thanks [11:47] NaCl, hrmm, that's not such good news. is 2.0 a complete re-write or bing build on 1.6 codebase? [11:47] NaCl: one think is for sure.. you need to make sure that if dhcpcd is told to disregard the DNS settings, then it actually does [11:47] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [11:47] setting up a static network for 2 machine has to be less work then this [11:47] mancha: rewrite [11:47] ping? [11:48] did i manage to reconnect without killing my IRC connection? [11:48] macavity: please file a bug report. [11:48] great -) [11:48] NaCl: on it [11:48] NaCl: commencing gigantic test case scenario [11:48] bug reports suck [11:48] Skywise: writing them or erading them? [11:48] ok, the per connection DNS setting works [11:49] writing them [11:49] i just fix stuff myself, its simpler [11:49] now i just have to wait for an hour to see if dhcpcd over writes /etc/resolv.conf [11:49] NaCl, i am doing this at the same time as writing a document for a meeting in an hour but it seems like global dns is not what we think [11:49] i need to get better about submitting fixes, but thats just as big a pain in the ass [11:49] Skywise: python is not my ball game :P [11:49] NaCl/mac, my read is that global dns doesn't write anything to /etc/resolv.conf (via wicd). [11:49] mancha: I did not write that part of wicd, I only wrote wicd-curses. [11:50] Skywise: lots of people htat make wicd bug reports don't always give enough information. [11:50] mac, confirm this by setting verbosity on or high and connecting with global dns settings. if it says "not a valid ip skipping" or something, then i'm right [11:50] no doubt, collecting exhaustive information is burdensome [11:50] there needs to be a better way [11:50] mancha: roger [11:51] macavity: here's the deal with dhcp leases [11:51] Skywise: yes.. its and they are called patience and perseverance :P [11:51] wicd can't know when they're happening in it's current design. [11:52] NetworkManager uses dhcp client scripts to tell the daemon over dbus that something has happened. [11:52] NaCl: i figured as much.. that is why knowing how the external tools behave (and how to controll them) is key [11:52] Any status changes. [11:52] So, this means one of two things: [11:52] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [11:52] EIther we have an external daemon control the dhcp client [11:53] or wicd can't use externally-called dhcp client sessions. [11:53] or you write a dhcp client into wicd [11:53] why cant the main daemon do it? [11:53] eh? [11:54] 17:56 < NaCl> EIther we have an external daemon control the dhcp client [11:54] i would think the whole point of a client daemon is so that each app won't have to do it [11:54] macavity: oh. [11:54] macavity: dbus has this nice thing called "signals" [11:54] no dhcp client has support for dbus directly. [11:55] ah [11:55] so lemme see if i get how this works, wicd establishes the interface and then uses dhcpcd to configure the interface? [11:55] yes [11:55] That's how NM does it too. [11:55] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [11:56] macavity: the dhcpcd guy wrote a dbus daemon for dhcpcd. [11:56] well i think if wicd allowed configuring how dhcpcd and other helper apps are called then the issue would be resolved [11:56] Skywise: that could result in feature bloat [11:56] just allow entering of additional parameters [11:57] no, you wouldn't check or have options for each [11:57] just a string for additional options, no sanity checking or validation [11:58] Skywise: Well, problem with that is that someone somewhere will try to do something there, have it not work, and then they'll complain about it. [11:58] and then you tell them not to do that unless they know what they're doing [11:58] Hm. [11:58] They may ask anyway. :P [11:58] but not being able to tweak the client as needed, will cause more problems in the long run [11:58] NaCl: [x] "i know what i am doing" ;-) [11:59] macavity: I know. Many people here do. [11:59] there are plenty of oddball setups out there, especially with wireless [11:59] Skywise: file a bug report/feature request [11:59] imagine relying on dhcpcd on every hotspot you use [11:59] yes being able to pass "-R" for example would be good. [12:00] i wish i could, but i just can't seem to generate enough interest [12:00] thats the problem i was talking about earlier [12:00] how about an "expert settings" submenu or something that is not enabled by default to prevent noobatrocities [12:00] NaCl: here might be a hint: it looks like dhcpcd writes the info down in /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-wlan0.info even if it doesnt use it to generate /etc/resolv.conf [12:00] i could prolly even help, its just that i never get around to it [12:01] If this feature ever exists, it will be flagged with a "do not contact the developers about any problems encountered while using this feature" [12:01] :) [12:01] just my kind of feature [12:01] macavity: eh? [12:01] advanced/basic settings [12:02] and that enabling advanced settings may have undesireable effects, but you knew that before you enabled it and did it anyway [12:02] brb food run [12:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ggxyzhkzcsfpkdti) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:05] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Skywise: make an argument to adam7 [12:05] In #wicd [12:05] When he's around (should be in a few hours) [12:05] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [12:08] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:11] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] see that would require me actually doing something, when i all i really do is pontificate [12:12] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [12:12] If you want to get somethnig done in the world, you've got to start somewhere. [12:12] yes, i usually start with getting someone else to do it [12:13] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:13] I may be willing to do it but I may forget later. :P [12:14] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] heh [12:14] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Hi how do I set the variable values at the global level ? [12:15] bhychik_ (n=bhychik@83.167.107.103) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Skywise: if you want to pontificate to the main wicd guy, he's around [12:15] Good day [12:15] in #wicd [12:15] Could somebody help me with kernel panic [12:15] we can always try ;) [12:15] kernel panic not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs [12:15] I had compiled new kernel [12:15] And after reboot it happened [12:16] your initrd does not exist/does not work/is too old [12:16] how can i repair it? [12:16] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] I have used livecd to edit lilo.conf and load my vmlinuz.old [12:17] boot into the old kernel, and make a new initrd using mkinitrd [12:17] so i can load my slack [12:17] just write mkinitrd? [12:17] man mkinitrd is good too. [12:17] bhychik_: it's a tool. [12:17] read the man page. [12:18] I want to make a script that will go to various websites (eg Facebook, Gmail) log in with my pass and username and then change the password with a random one, maybe exporting it to a file too. [12:18] Do you think it's doable? [12:18] bhychik_: You can tell it to assemble an appropriate initrd that will work, after you tell lilo to do it. [12:19] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:19] Oh i have read Russian wiki, there wasn't any word about initrd( [12:19] Now i will use google, i think it will help [12:19] Hi how do I set the variable values at the global level ? [12:21] oh, by the way, can anybody give me a good manual about making kernels? [12:21] hm .. [12:21] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:22] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [12:23] paul424, what? [12:23] /etc/rc.d/rc.6, line 183: [12:23] /bin/umount -v -a -r -t nfs,smbfs,cifs [12:23] i think that causes a hang if nfs server is stoped then .( [12:23] i installed compat32 packages following AlienBOB's wiki and issued an '# ldconfig' but Wine.Slackbuild complains 'X 32-bit development files not found'. is a reboot in order? [12:24] Necos: I want to set the FOO variable as BAR for all consoles for all sessions on my machine, u get it ? [12:25] how can i mount a bin image? [12:25] Azeotrope: convert it to iso [12:27] wlirc123 (n=wlirc123@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) joined ##slackware. [12:27] ananke: how? [12:27] bchunk [12:28] gtludwig: you didn't read everything, source /etc/profile.d/32dev.sh [12:28] gtludwig: it may be more advisable to install a precompiled package. That's what I did. [12:28] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:28] Is there a good info on how to shrink a slackware system? [12:29] put it on the couch, and talk about its childhood and relation to its parents? [12:29] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] BP{k}+++++ [12:30] I have access to a hydraulic press [12:30] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/you-can-now-mount-bincue-files-daemon-tools-equivalent-90498/ [12:30] NaCl, thanks =) [12:30] wlirc123: that works too, but you only get bonus points if you post a video of it on youtup afterwards ;) [12:31] paul424, then put it in your .bashrc? [12:31] or set it in /etc/profile [12:32] wow at last someone answered me. [12:32] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:32] sorry, i'm actually working :P [12:32] blasphemy [12:32] have some strange samba issues here that i'm trying to debug [12:32] use nfs. [12:33] but I suppose there was a command to set it via hand ·... hmm all the settings with bash variables are stored in /etc/profile ... irght ? [12:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] s#/etc/profile/#/etc/profile.d/10-local.sh# [12:33] hiatus (n=hiatus@246.sub-174-210-55.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:33] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] BP{k}: hmm seeems as veryh non standard directory [12:34] it is not [12:35] nfs is ewww :P [12:35] take a look in /etc/profile.d/ and you will see that it is quite integrated in slackware [12:35] and i have windows boxen connecting, so nfs is out of the question [12:35] paul424: ^^ [12:35] Necos: Slow, buggy and insecure. I know... but it's still better than samba in an all unix environment. [12:35] s/unix/*nix/ [12:35] any .sh in there will get sourced [12:35] ^MAssEy^ (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [12:36] actually, scratch that, any +x .sh in there will get sourced [12:36] lmao2k (n=nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:36] macavity: err theres a two dozens of sh files , whoch one I should edit ? [12:36] masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] paul424: as BP{k} said, 10-local.sh [12:37] make paul424.sh [12:38] macavity: ok I will touch one ... [12:38] udevitis chronicus :> [12:38] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [12:38] paul424: just make sure you chmod +x it afterwards [12:38] anyway who provided the name touch for file making in UNIX ? [12:38] urmom. [12:39] it was found to be needed before "mount" [12:39] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [12:39] paul424: I just had a quick look /etc/profile.d has been in slackware .. hmm at least since version 8.1. [12:40] O_o [12:40] its the only way to make sure /etc/profile isnt clubbered every time a new package that needs shell integration is installed [12:40] i would be severely pissed if slackpkg came asking me to hand merge stuff every time :P [12:41] :P [12:41] Agreed. That would turn old pretty fast. [12:41] this is just KISS at work :P [12:41] :-D:P [12:43] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-69-110-12-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] digitteknohippie (n=g@88-110-145-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:46] guax (n=guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left ##slackware. [12:51] Axius (n=fim@92.82.71.214) joined ##slackware. [12:51] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [12:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] hey, kids how do I reload the /etc/profile.d settings in my system ? [12:52] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "reboot" [12:52] digitteknohippie (n=g@88-110-145-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware. [12:52] paul424, open a new terminal [12:53] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [12:53] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-194-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [12:53] :) [12:55] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:55] hiatus (n=hiatus@246.sub-174-210-55.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.112) joined ##slackware. [12:56] ok, latest -current batch works great :-) [12:56] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:57] Axius_ (n=fim@92.84.24.104) joined ##slackware. [12:59] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:00] rhys (n=srees@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [13:02] astra-x (n=astra-x@ip34-198-20-64.metroe.ctsmail.net) left irc: "00FFCA/Kernel Panic" [13:02] mindbendr (n=neveraga@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [13:03] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:03] how do i list all the users that are logged in? [13:03] who [13:03] w [13:03] i did that and it only said root [13:03] but i know other users are logged in because i created a new account called peter [13:03] and i logged in as peter, and on my prompt it says peter@slackware [13:03] pics or it didn't happen [13:04] ok let me get a picture [13:04] I have repaired my problem [13:04] But why standard kernel doesn't need initrd? [13:04] ComputerNoobie, what does "whoami" say? [13:05] why should anyone require initrd is a better question [13:05] what do you mean? [13:06] the initrd exists purely to mount / [13:06] thrice`: whoami says peter [13:06] you asked why the standard kernel doesn't need initrd and i think that's the wrong question, it should be why do you need initrd not why don't you need [13:06] i logged in as root first, and then i did su - peter [13:07] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] su doesn't change the name of the login [13:07] i am newbie in it [13:07] ComputerNoobie, that's why [13:08] http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/73/36386126.jpg [13:08] oh [13:08] but what do i need to make my kernel not be in need for initrd? [13:08] i was root, and then i did su - peter and then after that i did su - mysql [13:08] my root fs is ext4 [13:08] do i have to log off peter, mysql to get back to root [13:08] compile the drivers for whats needed in the kernel core or as a module [13:09] two exits one after another will get you back to the root login shell [13:09] er not as a module [13:10] rapid_ (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [13:10] bhychik_ basically you need your boot HW drivers (the hard drive stuff) and the fs compiled into the kernel (mot modules) [13:10] mot=not [13:10] mako (n=mako@81.22.24.16) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:11] so ext4, in my case, must be mark as "*", not "M" in menuconfig? [13:11] yes [13:11] tnx a lot [13:11] OMG) [13:11] Now kwin is unstable, after i loaded new kernel( [13:11] you need to make sure you have all the drivers the original kernel did as well [13:12] FYI all you need is whatever you need to mount /. If your /home is JFS, then you don't need to compile that in, just ext4 [13:12] Axius (n=fim@92.82.71.214) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] and if its a new version then compile and install the modules as well [13:14] Is there a transparent fs like unionfs in any stock slackware kernels? [13:15] unionfs is not a transparent fs, it is a way to merge several areas into an fs (some ro some rw) [13:15] also, slackware doesn't patch the upstream kernel, so you will not find any 3rd party patch on any slackware kernel since a slackware kernel is a kernel.org kernel (with one maybe 2 exceptions) [13:16] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@server1.bshellz.net expired. [13:16] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@server1.bshellz.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:16] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [13:17] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.145.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:18] so if im logged into root and i use su to log into a bunch of other users, is there any way to find out which users i logged in as? [13:18] I have the switch user applet in xfce. When I try to click on it nothing is happening. Am I missing something here? [13:18] type whoami [13:19] rapid_ (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:19] kleanchap: ls -l /var/log/packages/gdm* [13:19] skywise, it says peter after i type su - peter [13:19] that sounds right to me [13:19] yeah, but then i did su - mysql [13:19] and i did whoami, and it still says peter [13:20] i guess you outsmarted it [13:20] BP{k}, It lists "gdm-2.20.10-i486-1_SBo" [13:20] lol [13:20] kleanchap: and "who -r" reports what? [13:21] run-level 4 2010-01-08 05:17 last=S [13:21] hmm [13:22] ComputerNoobie, try using id -un [13:22] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: "POF!" [13:22] yeah it tells me which user i am [13:22] so if i do su - peter, it says peter [13:22] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] I think I will reboot. Even the Media Player is giving a strange message. The switch user applet never worked though. [13:23] brb [13:23] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CA4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [13:23] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:25] hello [13:25] oops wrong channel [13:25] >.> [13:25] :p [13:26] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CA4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:27] kerberos is always a strange beast... [13:27] and a multi-headed beast [13:28] if you use mit's implementaiton make sure you have their latest sec patches [13:30] kimjeng (n=mike@196.201.218.215) joined ##slackware. [13:31] heimdal [13:31] bless you [13:31] i only use kerberos for samba anywho [13:31] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] why wouldn't you use mit's? 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[13:35] usually -p0 [13:35] kimjeng, hold on one sec [13:36] kimjeng, if you put the patch file into your source tree then use -p1 [13:36] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [13:37] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [13:37] i.e. cd /usr/src/2.6.33.whatev ; patch -p1 < /path/to/2.6.33-rc3.patch [13:40] how do i put the patch in the source tree [13:40] forget that comment [13:40] just cd into your source tree and write the command i gave: patch -p1 /path/to/... (typo correction) [13:41] Network question, I have my IP/mask set in the rc.inet1.conf file but slack is NOT detecting the broadcast right... is there some where in the rc.inet1.conf file I can force the broadcast so that I don't have to do it manualy via ifconfig? [13:41] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [13:42] make sure the line you changed isn't commented out or overridden later on [13:42] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] never mind... I'm a dumb ass. I had the netmask wrong. Sorry [13:46] mancha: thanks [13:46] Nick change: Dominian -> Dominoman [13:47] Nick change: Dominoman -> Dominian [13:47] haha, dominoman. [13:47] where's my pizza [13:48] :) [13:49] yo jeev [13:49] sup necoslocos [13:49] heh, thanks btw for reminding me of one of the easiest things to forget about RAID.. [13:50] swapped out the 160, and the raid rebuilt just dandy [13:50] ahh [13:50] kimjeng np [13:51] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:52] Pi3rrot (n=pierre@unaffiliated/pi3rrot) joined ##slackware. [13:52] hi all [13:53] is it possible to setup KDE 3.5 instead of KDE 4 on slackware64 13.0 [13:53] yeah [13:53] it's in /extra [13:53] There are compatibility packages in /extra [13:54] ej, but it's kinda broken if you try to build things like kdepim3.5 [13:54] i take that means you build around the old QT as well, no? [13:54] those probably are only libs though, right? ie not the full kde suite [13:55] Necos, eviljames, Thx, but how do you do? [13:55] `slackpkg search kde' [13:56] Necos, i don't see kde... [13:56] on slack64 you are sure is it possible? [13:57] yes [13:57] FYI: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [13:57] tediosu (n=lahlahal@217.146.88.13) joined ##slackware. [13:57] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-089-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "zzzzt - gone" [13:57] Packages needed for KDE 3.5.10 on 13.0 (32 or 64 bit) [13:59] there is a short dirty readme/howto explaining well how to do it [13:59] http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware64-13.0/extra/kde3-compat/ [14:00] have anyone got success compiling slmodem on SW13-64? [14:02] Pi3rrot (n=pierre@unaffiliated/pi3rrot) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:02] running 32-bit meself [14:02] never used it. [14:02] slmodem that is. [14:03] i have turned on compat32 but still i don't get it compiled [14:04] Necos: on sw13-64? [14:05] lol no, i mean i'm using slack 32-bit [14:05] oops... ignore my last question [14:08] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:08] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:08] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Client Quit [14:13] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:15] macavity: you can join back now. :) [14:15] :P [14:15] fire|bird: hand on [14:18] macavity: hahaha, I just changed the phrase before you did that, so it didn't take affect. [14:18] anyone knows if there's a native module for sm56 modem? [14:19] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [14:19] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [14:20] tediosu: if it is one of them winmodems you might still need linuxant :-/ [14:21] fucking perverts [14:22] wlirc123 (n=wlirc123@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) left ##slackware. [14:22] macavity: :( [14:23] tediosu: i know.. its horrid [14:23] tediosu: roumor has it that people are so pissed with this practice that they opload such drivers to popular peer to peer sites [14:23] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:24] komentar2e_listy (n=komentar@200-207-57-235.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:25] macavity: hehe [14:25] downwater (i=1000@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] hello [14:25] je suis passé à la 13 ^^ [14:25] slackfan (n=slackfan@dslb-092-072-005-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] oups sorry [14:25] downwater: please speak english, or join ##slackware-fr [14:25] downwater: boa tarde para você também :) [14:25] macavity: forgive me [14:26] wrong chan ^^" [14:26] all good :-) [14:27] http://blog.gar0t0.net/2010/01/slackware-in-brazil/ <-- for all here [14:27] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.24.104) joined ##slackware. [14:27] macavity: it's portuguese... [14:28] tediosu: downwater speak fr :) [14:28] tediosu: oh well.. i only speak five languages, and neither french nor bortuguese are any of them :P [14:28] macavity: wow [14:29] macavity, they are? [14:29] slackfan: danish, english, german, norwegian and sweedish [14:29] slackfan: but danish norwegian and sweedish are so alike that it doesnt really count [14:30] :> [14:30] hehehe because macavity is from Melmac [14:31] Action: macavity looks up Melmac [14:31] LOL [14:31] melmac? [14:31] tediosu: Melmac is a fictional planet in the television series ALF. [14:31] lol [14:31] danish + english + german + norwegian + sweedish = klingon [14:32] not by a long shot :P [14:32] :D [14:32] Nick change: StevenR__ -> StevenR [14:33] bash + rubbish = klingon :P [14:33] i've set up my keyboard [14:33] in xorg.conf [14:33] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] im trying to install vmware, in KDE, a window popped up with the contents of the vmware tools, but in terminal I can't access this. I went into /mnt/cdrom/ and when i typed dir nothing was inside [14:33] but when i'm on X, it doesn't seems to take it [14:33] downwater: KDE? [14:33] i've just installed slack 13 [14:33] macavity: nope, windowmaker [14:33] Action: macavity backs off [14:34] macavity: but it's at Xorg level [14:34] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [14:34] ComputerNoobie: it is probably mounted in /media somewhere [14:34] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:34] ComputerNoobie: try "mount" with no arguments in the console to see what is mounted where [14:35] gtludwig: thanks for the comment :) [14:36] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [14:37] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:38] ComputerNoobie: when you ask for help you are expected to actually stick around and be responsive....... [14:38] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:38] im here :p [14:38] i just did mount [14:38] im trying to understand what its saying [14:38] it doesnt say anything about cdrom [14:38] its in something like /media/VMWare-2.0/ isnt it? [14:39] heres what it says when i type mount, i can't copy/paste from vm to host [14:39] it says /dev/root on / type ext 3 ( rw., errors = continue, data=ordered) [14:39] theres nothing like /media/VMWare-2.0/ [14:39] lets not get confused about the host and the guest here, shall we? [14:39] yeah [14:40] the KDE session you mentioned before, is that inside the guest? [14:40] it doesnt say anything like /media/VMWare-2.0/ [14:40] yeah [14:40] KDE should automount [14:40] yes [14:40] yeah it did [14:40] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [14:40] when i went into KDE, this window popped up with teh contents [14:40] and it automounts to /media [14:40] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "/gogogowiiparty" [14:40] now im back to terminal, i exited KDE [14:40] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] i wonder if kde unmounts before it exits [14:41] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] hmm [14:41] thats a good point [14:41] start KDE again, and use konsole to see if it is mounted under /media [14:41] let me go back to KDE [14:41] ok [14:41] it probably unmounts [14:41] mancha: that sounds logical to me too [14:41] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:41] macavity: when I leave stuff unmounted, it makes the optical drive spin. :/ [14:42] gar0t0, no biggie ;) [14:42] NaCl: hal-disable-polling /dev/sr0 if you are fed up with it [14:42] macavity: thanks [14:42] NaCl: hal-disable-polling --device /dev/sr0 that is [14:43] I can't use it right now, but I can in a little while. :) [14:43] i did mount again in terminal emulator, and i see something like VMWare in /dev/hda [14:43] in /media/VMWare... [14:43] /dev/hdc, probably [14:44] ComputerNoobie: cd /media/VMWare; ls [14:44] ComputerNoobie: is NaCl correct that it is /dev/hdc that is the corresponding device? [14:44] its /dev/hda [14:44] Action: NaCl scratches his head [14:44] strange [14:44] what is / then? [14:45] Action: mancha scratches his ***** [14:45] /dev/sda1 ? [14:45] yeah , my hard drive is sda [14:45] ah [14:45] see you ppl :) [14:45] are you using -current? [14:45] are we getting confused about host and guest again? [14:45] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [14:45] i did the ls command, and theres 2 files, a .tar.gz, and a .rpm [14:46] WMWare doesnt have a hardrive.. it only *thinks* it has :P [14:46] my virtual hard drive :p [14:46] and wmvare calls this virtual hard drive /dev/sda1 ? [14:47] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [14:47] how would i know whether im on ext3 or ext4? [14:47] mount [14:47] /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered) [14:47] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:47] ComputerNoobie: does your first line in mount look like that? [14:48] ComputerNoobie: ls -l /dev/root [14:48] what he said :P [14:48] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:49] did /dev/root start getting used on v13? [14:49] is in xorg.conf the keyboard is configured in slack 13 ? [14:49] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:49] in mount, the first line is /dev/root on / type ext3 [14:49] downwater not by default, the default is to use hal (i know i know) and this means xml'd .fdi files [14:49] ComputerNoobie: ls -l /dev/root [14:49] ComputerNoobie: ls -l /dev/root [14:49] ok [14:49] macavity: lol [14:50] it says /dev/root -> sda2 [14:50] i think sda1 is my swa [14:50] swap [14:50] that would be in mount [14:50] mancha: thx [14:50] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [14:51] odd.. i could have *sworn* that the .29.6 kernel that 13.0 ships with had vmware drives as hd* not sd* [14:51] I think. I don't have a slack box with me right now. [14:51] im using slackware 12.2 [14:51] ComputerNoobie: are you 100% sure you didnt download -current? [14:51] O_O [14:51] uname -r [14:51] even more strange [14:51] ComputerNoobie: what NaCl said :P [14:51] it says 2.6.27.7 -smp [14:51] downwater, in a nutshell, grab the skeleton /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi and move it over to your hal policy dir, then edit [14:51] ok.. i stand corrected [14:52] what happened? [14:52] WMVare's virtual controler is infact emulate sata [14:52] i could have sworn... [14:52] when i install a new vm, it recommends using SCSI for hd [14:52] anyhow, /dev/hda is your cdrom drive [14:52] ok [14:52] or at least, one of them [14:53] mancha: this way allows to switch from a keyboard to another one by for example lwin & rwin keys ? [14:53] i only have one i think [14:53] i think this one is a virutal one with a virutal disk in it [14:53] *disc [14:53] downwater, i don't know what that is [14:53] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:53] ComputerNoobie: it only holds the client tools, doesnt it? [14:53] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:54] yeah VMWare tools [14:54] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) left irc: Connection timed out [14:54] i untar'd the stuff inside the .tar.gz [14:55] this is as far as i can help you.. i never used proprietary virtual machines [14:55] perhaps NaCl knows more? [14:56] thanks mancha ... sounds like udev [14:56] ok ill try to figure out how to install vmware tools now [14:56] thanks :p [14:56] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:57] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [14:58] ComputerNoobie: i am pretty sure that you can get copy/paste to work (at least if vmware is even just a half decent product) [14:58] fxer__ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:58] yeah thats the only reason im installing vmware tools [14:58] ah, bummer :P [14:59] no tools, no copy/paste.. i see the problem :P [14:59] macavity: I don't. [14:59] The only VM I use is VirtualBox [14:59] well.. then ComputerNoobie i about to get his skills upgraded ;-) [14:59] NaCl: OSE [14:59] ? [14:59] I use the closed-source one [14:59] *sniff* [14:59] :P [15:00] Action: eviljames too [15:00] The only feature I really could potentially need is USB passthrough [15:00] And it's a lot easier to install VBox than it is to install all of the debs required for virt-manager [15:01] Which works very, very well on vbox closed source [15:03] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [15:03] ok, the USB feature i never even noticed [15:03] It also as an RDP server and a SATA controller [15:03] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521083.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] is it possible to somhow mount dirs from the host os in the guest? [15:05] in OSE [15:05] yes [15:05] After you install the guest additions [15:06] good.. and those are all also open source? [15:06] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [15:06] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521083.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Client Quit [15:06] AFAICT, yes, even for the closed-source one [15:06] all good then [15:06] what arch should i choose for a core 2 duo is it x86 or ia64 after compiling a new kernel? [15:06] kimjeng: it is the arch that your distro is [15:07] And it is definitely not ia64 [15:07] kimjeng: as the compiler is rigged to output the right format (simplified version) [15:07] kimjeng: are you on slackware or slackware64? [15:07] rhys (n=srees@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) left ##slackware. [15:08] slackware 64 [15:08] kimjeng: and as NaCl pointed out, it is x86 or x86_64 (only Itanium supports ia64, and i dont belive you have ever even seen one of those if you have to ask this question) [15:08] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [15:09] kimjeng: i can only reccomend that you use one of the configs from /boot as a template [15:09] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) joined ##slackware. [15:09] macavity,Nacl:thanks. [15:09] kimjeng: in that case, x86_64 is the right kernel choice [15:10] you cant have a 32 bit kernel with a 64 bit userland [15:10] the other way around is possible though [15:11] ok [15:12] downwater (i=1000@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [15:12] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [15:13] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "Leaving" [15:14] fxer_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:16] What is most secure to use for administration su, sudo or seperate virtual console with root login? [15:16] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.4) left irc: [15:17] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: "*" [15:17] deximat: that depends on how finely grainded you need to have it [15:17] deximat: how many admins? [15:17] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [15:17] Guest67148 (n=_@port-94030.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Broken pipe [15:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:18] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:18] deximat: and what kind of work do they need to perform individually? [15:18] h4ngedm4n (n=h4ngedm4@pool-71-104-6-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:18] macavity: still one admin (me), I am practising on my small home network.. to gain some experiance... [15:19] WarCriminal (n=IceChat7@124.43.52.252) joined ##slackware. [15:19] *This is an iniated video game* [15:19] deximat: in that case ssh and su should do just fine [15:19] WarCriminal: no, this is a support channel for Slackware :P [15:20] >.> [15:21] Action: WarCriminal finally able to rewrite xorg.conf for slax to his Thoshiba dynabook 2010 [15:21] Action: WarCriminal with the 1024x768 mode supported [15:21] Action: WarCriminal for the trident video card [15:21] congrats, but slax != slackware [15:22] but slackware = slax is syntatically correct. [15:23] upcasting is illeagal. [15:23] slax is derived from slackware [15:23] strcmp("slackware","slax"), then [15:23] only in the beginning, not anymore [15:23] slackware is too heavy to put into laptop like dynabook 2010 [15:23] Um... [15:23] so I went for slax [15:23] Action: NaCl doubts that [15:24] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521124.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:24] how old is that dynabook 2010? [15:24] it's a PIII 800MHz mobil [15:24] 256MB ram [15:25] just don'[t use kde [15:25] should still be ok [15:25] nix_chix3r (n=hellokit@97-127-223-109.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:26] kimjeng (n=mike@196.201.218.215) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:26] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521124.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] nix_chix3r (n=hellokit@97-127-210-71.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] ya wish to use xfce window manager [15:27] that's what hack that I did to get the fulll svga mode in xpud linux [15:27] plate UI window manager [15:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.45) joined ##slackware. [15:27] sorry xfce is a desktop environment not a WM [15:27] oye (n=oye@84.120.132.229.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:27] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.88.241.198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] WM runs on a Desktop manager [15:28] * desktop environment [15:28] I'm more into IceWM myself.. who needs all that extra junk [15:28] WarCriminal: 1) we do NOT support Slax [15:28] akar (n=oijhif@92.82.68.99) joined ##slackware. [15:29] WarCriminal: 2) Slax is *based on* Slackware... so is freaking OpenSuSE, so no, dont count on slackware knowledge to automatically work on Slax [15:29] *was* opensuse.. not really anymore [15:30] tuxdev: the same can be said about Slax [15:30] true [15:30] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.70.248) joined ##slackware. [15:32] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-160-63.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Has anyone installed SL 13 on eeePC? The network drivers on this eeepc are a beast. Does the default install kernal have the Atheros AR9285 (ath9k) driver for wired LAN and Atheros AR8132 (wlan0) driver for wlan? [15:33] Immundus (n=obi@e179129194.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:33] kleanchap: iirc 13.0 does work on EeePC out of the box [15:34] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521124.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:34] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521124.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Client Quit [15:34] kleanchap: and if no, -current surely does (kernel .32.2) [15:34] WarCriminal, you should install slack13 on your notebook and install something light to use as a desktop like LXDE [15:34] afk [15:34] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] kitty_ (n=kitty@c-66-30-160-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] mohaa (n=nome@188.115.65.245) joined ##slackware. [15:35] macavity, How do I get the "current" distro in a iso format? [15:35] sync a repo, then follow the make cd's script [15:36] kleanchap: you can use aliens mirror script [15:36] alisonken1home, I have not done that before. Any urls? [15:37] Scuzz, url? :-) [15:37] one sec [15:37] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [15:37] fxer__ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] it will make a mirror and an iso for you [15:37] Scuzz, Thnx [15:37] np [15:37] that will make a dvd won't it? [15:37] thank alienBOB [15:38] or an iso [15:38] cds [15:38] How do I exit a channel without disconnecting from the server? [15:38] Scuzz: do you need cd's or a dvd? [15:38] either [15:38] ok [15:38] jsut change in the script [15:38] from CD to DVD or vise versa [15:38] what chat client are you using? [15:38] XChat [15:39] /part [15:39] right-click on the channel name and select "close" [15:39] Gracias [15:39] kitty_ (n=kitty@c-66-30-160-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:39] Scuzz, I am going to install it on a netbook. and want to have a lightweight X windows. [15:41] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:35) joined ##slackware. [15:41] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@adsl-69-110-12-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:41] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:42] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:43] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:44] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-235-190.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] what you mean by lightweight X windows ? [15:45] as I know there is a XFree86 project and .. [15:45] Axius (n=oijhif@92.84.24.104) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] there are desktop manager API's above it [15:45] and some few apps use native xlib directly. [15:46] anyway one question remains , if KDE is written fully using C++ then why it is too costly? Even plate UI which is written using some javascript is lightweight than the KDE [15:46] :S [15:47] Is it possible to use the ISO image from alienBob's script and put it on a thumb drive and boot up the system and install it from the thumb drive? [15:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:47] kleanchap: yes [15:47] kleanchap yes it is [15:47] I did it [15:47] kleanchap: and the documentation for it is even in the usb-and-pxe-installers/ dir [15:47] neconide (n=nnscript@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] ok. [15:48] Thnx guys [15:48] kleanchap: there is even a handy little script for rigging the thumbdrive correctly, so you only need to copy over the slackware/ directory [15:48] tuxdev_ (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:48] I did not use any scripts , I did it manually [15:48] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:50] lol the mail servers at work [15:50] allow spoofed from addresses through their smtp servers for internal mail (internal -> internal) [15:50] is this normal ? [15:50] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] nix_chix3r (n=hellokit@97-127-210-71.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:50] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc652118b.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:51] it probably also allows it to the WAN [15:51] you should contact your netops then goarilla >.> [15:51] yeah thought so tho [15:51] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc652118b.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Client Quit [15:51] although i know next to nothing about mail serves [15:51] servers* [15:51] it was probably just an config oversight [15:51] they should authenticate [15:52] i don't know Necos because [15:52] i've seen it used for like holiday announcements locally [15:52] Damnit [15:52] like santa clause dropped you a present (sent from root@localhost) [15:52] lol [15:52] that's awesome [15:52] Shitty nick filter, every time you say Necos it beeps. [15:53] but we do need to authenticat Scuzz to send it [15:53] but it doesn't matter if the malware has access over your outlook [15:54] it's nice to find out who was first in sending the malware [15:54] Necos [15:54] user ... send an email with a from address which was not internal ... and a message body equals to hash or something like that [15:54] neconide: heh, sorry. [15:55] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:55] it's nice for accountability but that doesn't matter if the guy who was patient zero is a professor a few echelons higher up [15:55] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.70.248) left irc: "Leaving" [15:55] I'm assuming you wouldn't stop using every letter in my name? XD because apparently whenever someone uses the letter e, d, i, n, o, c, or e, even when it's in the middle of another word, noooo, you're talking to me. [15:55] Gotta disable it. 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[15:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit [15:58] Sir goarillington, may I have a word with you [15:58] downwater (i=1000@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Which looks better to you for nick recognition? m/neco(.+)/i, or m/nec(.?)/i [16:00] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:00] ah, i thought so [16:00] it's now part of the amd64 architecture [16:01] i'm not familiar with that kind of regular expressions, whats ( ) there? [16:01] so its any character at least once or more or nec or more [16:01] i think the first is better [16:01] enhanced virus protection lol [16:02] but whats wrong with enlaring the neco part [16:02] necon for example [16:02] or don't do case insensitive [16:02] therer are many ways to bypass that protection. [16:02] because you're colliding with Necos [16:02] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:35) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:02] :P [16:02] specially on Intel plactform [16:03] and nachox is quite right [16:03] the () is a grouping [16:03] () is usually used for \(stuff\) or (term1|term2) ORING [16:03] it isn't needed here tho ? [16:03] Necos, in what regular expression language? perl? [16:03] it's not it sed [16:03] in perl, you'd use () if you want to capture those to a variable [16:04] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] \( \) Necos iirc [16:04] he's using pcre [16:04] goarilla: if(m/neco(.+)/i != m/Necos/) [16:05] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:05] why are you using a case-ins. matching pattern if your nick is always lowercase? [16:05] yes that what i also was wondering [16:05] sure about that neconide [16:05] goarilla: because sometimes people say Neconide, or NECO [16:05] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] and neconide, that's an incorrect regexp comparison [16:06] goarilla: I'm trying to figure out a way I can use regexp to exclude a..m o..z after neco [16:06] Necos: I know :\ [16:06] then use a negative look-ahead assertion [16:06] Necos: or I can just split it [16:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] ([^a-m]|[^o-z]) [16:07] OMG! [16:07] yes i know [16:07] it's been a while [16:07] and re implementation do differ quite a bit [16:07] m/neco(?!\w+)/ [16:09] doesn't that mean [16:09] good afternoon slackers, anyone know if there's a slackbuild out for firefox 3.5.7 yet? [16:09] follow neco by something just not word delimiters [16:09] i googled, came up with nothing yet [16:10] HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH I'm DYING of laughter [16:10] http://orderzero.pastebin.com/m22034a1 [16:10] it means, only match if the next character is NOT a word character... close, but a subtle difference [16:10] i do have the camel perl book only an arms strecht away [16:11] goarilla: yeah, its been a while since I've done anything in perl [16:11] so it's the exact opposite [16:11] me 2 [16:11] it has quite a bit of dust on it [16:11] goarilla: It's always either programming or gaming, I go back and forth very often [16:11] it goes in long waves isn't it :D [16:11] and by the time you get to the next cycle [16:11] hehehe [16:12] you've forgotten most coding or most gaming [16:12] although gaming is more muscle memory prone [16:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:12] goarilla: yup. I'm either really bad at C and Perl or I suck at FPSers [16:12] hehehehehe :D [16:12] ah, interesting, i think i like perl regexp [16:12] very binary logic :P [16:12] jack of all masters of none [16:12] yo! ^^ [16:12] vastina: you should be able to use the slackbuild script in the xap directory [16:12] goarilla: just takes a few days of warming up. but I like it this way [16:13] Scuzz: i was thinking of doing just that and updating the slackbuild script to the version number [16:13] SlackerJoe (n=jcherney@cpe-74-70-49-185.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "SlackerJoe has no reason" [16:13] yep [16:13] yeah but still it takes a lot of thinking to do something that the real coders do in a few days [16:13] cheers mate [16:13] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.30.172) joined ##slackware. [16:13] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.27.248) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:13] neconide, that work for you tho? with the negative look-ahead? [16:14] Necos: perfectly. [16:14] Necos: time to test it [16:14] neconide (n=nnscript@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [16:14] neconide (n=nnscript@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] say my name :3 [16:14] neconide :P [16:14] say necon then necop [16:14] necon [16:14] necop [16:14] yup, works perfectly. [16:15] neconide: awww, now we can't bother you any more. [16:15] hahaha [16:15] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos [16:15] Action: Necos grins and stabs fire|bird back [16:15] :) [16:15] Action: neconide counter-stabs fire|bird [16:15] lol [16:15] Action: Necos flexes his perl muscle [16:15] :P [16:16] thumbs: well, I guess so [16:16] Necos: show off. :P [16:16] Action: neconide flexes his wimpy nerd arms. [16:16] lol [16:16] Action: neconide looks at his left arm, then his right arm. lowers head in shame. [16:16] lol [16:16] strong right arm? :P [16:17] my right arm is BUILT [16:17] haha [16:17] no, they've both got nothing [16:17] vastina: rofl [16:17] Action: fire|bird cuts off neconide's left arm and attaches it to neconide's right arm, there, you have one strong arm. :P [16:17] isn't this off-topic chan talk? [16:18] Action: neconide cuts off fire|bird's penis and attaches it to his nose. [16:18] defo is [16:18] lol [16:18] yes, indeed it is, therefore ---> ##slackware-offtopic [16:18] vastina: ^^^ [16:18] :) [16:18] mohaa (n=nome@188.115.65.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] neconide: You weak little....... :P [16:18] as fire|bird keeps going [16:19] lol [16:19] vastina: you're still in OT too, right? [16:19] fire|bird: retort [16:19] fire|bird: yeah, thought you were lobbying OY buddy, adhere! [16:19] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:19] lol [16:20] s/OY/OT [16:20] >.> [16:20] Necos is in OT too, never says a damn thing. :P [16:20] I should kick his butt out. :P [16:20] heh, i'm looking at the NX_bit article and i just noticed... this is a double-edged sword :) [16:20] lol [16:21] i usually don't say much here either :P [16:21] good thing you're not an OP here [16:21] :P [16:21] lol [16:22] if a program marks all of its ram NX, well, it won't be much of a program lol [16:22] i'm longing for a death by frozen eel [16:22] maybe it could live in the registers only ? [16:22] that's probably not true [16:23] lol, i had unagi rolls for dinner on wednesday night with the lady friend :) [16:23] the tall one with the nice boobs [16:23] / [16:23] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:23] yes, and she's coming over for dinner on sunday night... :) [16:24] jhlulalaaaalal <-- stallion growl [16:24] lol [16:24] raelaa (n=raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:24] i hope you can cook [16:25] she's cooking lol [16:25] hehheehheheeh omg [16:25] does she have a sister :D [16:25] yeah, but her older sister is married... her younger sister is like 16... sorry bro :) [16:25] 16 eh? If there's grass on the field play ball! [16:26] LOL [16:27] jhlulaululua is the noise thrice's mom makes [16:27] lmao [16:27] :D [16:27] and here comes jeev from randomville to make his presence known [16:27] HA! [16:28] 16 almost 17 or 16 16 [16:28] http://imagebin.org/78937 wild turkeys in my back yard! [16:28] i think almost 17 lol... but i'm not gonna ask :P [16:28] oh boy... paedos in the house [16:28] naah unless she's really mature for 17 she's prob a high school bimbo anyway [16:28] no offense [16:29] but your whole jock vs nerd american football home coming stuff is really ridiculous to me [16:30] lol Pig_Pen [16:30] Pig_Pen, my coworker is asking where you live at lol [16:30] parkandstop (n=parkands@pool-173-57-102-146.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] south east oklahoma [16:30] los dellos nicuaraga [16:31] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] lol [16:31] i'll eat my cigarette if that place actually exists [16:31] about 30 miles north of Lake Texoma [16:31] minus the nicuaraga spelling mistakes [16:31] nice... [16:32] you told me before Pig_Pen, but i forgot lol [16:32] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.165.43) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:32] why is it that you pronounce arkansas as ar-kan-saw [16:32] instead of aaarggh-kansas [16:33] i have no idea, i did not name the state [16:33] because it's not kansas, aaargh [16:33] kansas is in ohio no ? [16:34] yep, sure is [16:34] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p579B57B7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:34] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc652118b.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:34] ok kan anyone in here tell me in which state/province brussels is ? [16:35] can* [16:35] Belgium [16:35] brussels is a city [16:35] damn crazy frenchies [16:35] yeah k doesn't change the question [16:36] Necos: i'm makeing a related point [16:36] it's in Flemish-brabant [16:36] NOT FRENCH-BRABANT [16:36] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-089-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] you know what i hate [16:36] sites that do geoiplookups and decide to forward you to the french section if you're from belgium [16:36] lol [16:37] 62 % speaks dutch here [16:37] 2 % speaks german [16:37] goarilla: the fact that you still haven't sent me those yeast strains.... get on it [16:37] vastina what if i'll send you beer instead ? [16:37] no, the beer comes to me... [16:37] you belgians started screwing things up when you invented french fries, so its your own fault [16:37] you can filter out the yeast yourself [16:37] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [16:37] goarilla: then i can do that anyway [16:37] its french coz it's fried [16:38] and waffles, whats the matter? pancakes not good enough for you? [16:38] we have pancakes but not like you [16:38] bye [16:38] downwater (i=1000@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [16:39] it's one thing i kinda enjoy about the french oppression in the past here [16:39] http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%AApe_Suzette [16:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] hahahaha [16:40] it's very thin [16:40] like real pizza bottoms [16:40] if i lived in a neighboring state next to france i would go in to france and steal wine and absenthe and whatever else they drink [16:41] goarilla: do you lot consider the historical carl martel [charlemagne] a belge or a french [16:41] ? [16:41] the english page is MUCH better [16:41] carl martel [16:41] Pig_Pen: yeah, do it all the time, that's why i take easyjet from london and go to paris, cheap arse wine [16:41] you're in belgium Necos learn the language :D [16:41] DarklyCute (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] no bish, i'm in los angeles, learn spanish you bastard :P [16:42] dballator (n=dballato@ANice-751-1-20-139.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Necos: buonos tardes amigo, que tal? [16:42] :p [16:42] i'm sorry, i only speak french and japanese :P [16:42] eh gtfooh [16:42] hahahaha [16:43] :) [16:43] vastina: carl martel != charlemagne [16:43] good french or decent latin is enough to at least read spanish [16:43] laj2 (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:43] vastina: nitpicking .. i know [16:44] MarderIII: charlemagne was his grandson, sorry i didn't make the distinction [16:44] :p [16:44] charlemange is carl the great [16:44] if belgium had coffeeshops more people would know about it [16:44] parkandstop (n=parkands@pool-173-57-102-146.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:44] it's actually legal here [16:44] sort of [16:44] they tolerate it just like in the netherlands but i can't sell it in a store :( [16:45] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:45] Nick change: DarklyCute -> Motoko-chan [16:45] you guys need to work on that part [16:45] It doesn't help that if you ask a lot of people who's famously from Belgium, they often get stuck after Tintin and Poirot [16:45] cause waffles and french fries are great munchies food [16:45] hehehe [16:45] i know but the situation has gotten very stale [16:46] MarderIII: but appreciate the head-check, clarity was due, good call [16:46] but in the netherlands they're thightening the softdrugs regulations [16:46] no MORE immigrants in coffeeshops is their game [16:46] herman van rompuy AlexElliott_ ? [16:46] well that is why people come, hasn't anyone told them about the weather there? [16:46] AlexElliott_: tintin was from belgium? that cartoon blew [16:46] I'm exaggerating for effect ;) [16:47] :) [16:47] yes it is vastina [16:47] and mind you [16:47] goarilla: i'm sorry [16:47] first release was in early 60's [16:47] yeah must've blew back then too [16:47] a lil bit after WWII and deep into the cold war [16:47] ewww [16:47] http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX [16:47] you guys need to keep your saturday night activities to yourselves... [16:47] only cartoon that sucks more is johnny quest and hadji [16:48] goarilla: but Herge was french speaking :-P [16:48] heh, johnny quest was the shit :P [16:48] well thats not the only one [16:48] yes Skywise immigrants does include us [16:48] have you seen my little pony? [16:48] omg does that suck [16:48] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:48] a group renegade former dutch provinces [16:48] Necos: if i was with johnny quest i'd sock him in the trachea after a couple lines of self-deliberation [16:48] that was too stuck on catholicism [16:48] lol [16:49] yeah i know [16:49] then i'd steal hadji's turban [16:49] excuse, but Johnny Q's target audience was specifically non-douchebags. [16:49] not only that but they're gonna go hard on large distributors of dutch/belgian spliff [16:49] which means the coffeeshops itself would have a hard time supplying theirselfs [16:49] dartmouth: you must've missed the cartoon then? [16:49] I'm talking about the cartoon. [16:49] Johnny Quest was the shit. [16:49] which means less coffeeshops, highger prices and probably lower quality of weed [16:49] thats the problem with religous people, how are you supposed to respect someone worshiping the voices in their heads [16:49] back in the day. [16:50] i respect my amygdala Skywise [16:50] according to you sure [16:50] goarilla: panic attacks keep you in check? [16:50] haha [16:50] thats cause it makes you [16:50] no my amygdala [16:50] makes sure my panic attacks are under control :D [16:50] yeah, i agree with dartmouth for once ;) [16:51] yeah which causes panic attacks, and other mechanisms of fear [16:51] Necos: that's nice, johnny q was good; i just felt like typing [16:51] haha [16:51] crap vastina [16:51] whats that other part then [16:51] vastina is having a touretts attack :P [16:51] kevinw (n=kevinw@cpe-68-206-172-239.hot.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:51] that mellows out panic attacks [16:52] lol [16:53] space ghost coast to coast is the only decent thing to come out of that series [16:53] so the guy with the exact same name as me, which lived 40 km from me ... [16:53] drak was annoying [16:53] he and his girlfriend apparently got killed gangland style [16:53] SG C2C is awesome! [16:53] by the neighbouring teacher [16:54] he's lawyer is saying he flipped because he was insulted and pestered with [16:54] >.> [16:54] Necos: yes i was having a tourettes attack, hell my name *is* Johnny, how could i really hate johnny q? [16:54] his* [16:54] :p [16:54] lol [16:54] john baptiste vastina ? [16:54] johnny come lately [16:54] many times mancha fu [16:55] vastina is a latin word [16:55] so is baptiste [16:55] agreed [16:55] lol [16:55] my brain rewrote that sentence "vagina is a latin word" [16:55] s/st/g [16:56] john is probably jewish/hebrew/arminian/germanic from johan/johannes [16:56] Necos: that was the intent, so good job [16:56] my name is *not* bloody zion-nosed armenian [16:56] lol damn auto-spellcheck :P [16:56] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] it probably is mancha [16:56] lol [16:56] it means opening [16:56] passageway [16:56] or port [16:57] or love canal? [16:57] gateway? [16:57] naaah they don't have the word in latin [16:57] :D [16:57] sorry, friday's make me silly [16:57] the romans didn't make love [16:57] the entered many many passaways [16:57] passageways* [16:58] passed-aways ;-) [16:58] mancha: it has the same effect on me [16:58] hehe, typos are evil :P [16:59] no they're not i've gotta catch'em all ! [17:00] lol [17:00] grab your pokeball :P [17:00] Those Type 0's 'll get you all the time [17:02] hehe [17:03] when you do ifconfig eth0 hw ether hw-addr [17:03] have you guys every found out that it must be lower-case and ... [17:03] even then it sometimes throws a SIGIOCADDR error [17:03] yes i've put my eth0 down first [17:04] eg this 01:02:03:04:05:06 doesn't always work [17:05] how many cards? [17:05] only one [17:05] could it be the realtek driver ? [17:06] never seen this, but i dont have a realtek chipset [17:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-197.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:08] i'll typescript it monday if i can replicate it [17:08] its crapdora tho :( [17:11] just a thought.. is it a card with WOL capability? [17:11] slackfan (n=slackfan@dslb-092-072-005-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [17:11] don't know [17:11] how do i know [17:11] mii-tool -v ? [17:12] mmm.. don't know mii-tool :-( [17:12] WOL = Wake On Lan [17:13] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Something is keeping that card locked/blocked. Its either hardware (wol) or software (dhcpclient?) [17:15] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Ah well... enough guessing. Success with it. :-) [17:16] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-089-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:18] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:21] oye (n=oye@84.120.132.229.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: [17:21] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:21] h4ngedm4n (n=h4ngedm4@pool-71-104-6-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Changing server" [17:21] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:22] aaz> how i end up there? [17:22] [06:47] you got redirected from some channel [17:22] [06:47] you can't talk there because it's probably +m [17:22] Channel flood from WarCriminal -- kicking [17:22] [06:47] and you don't have a voice. 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[17:25] Remove the -l [17:25] go to the profile of the konsole window [17:25] uptop Settings > Edit Current Profile [17:25] And it should say /bin/bash -l [17:25] remove the -l and it won't print your name@host name [17:26] change your PS1 in /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc [17:26] i can imagine no earthly or productive reason to hide that in your bash prompt [17:27] I usually end up adding the -l when I do a new install. [17:27] dartmouth: space on line in a small terminal screen? [17:27] patrick05 (n=chatzill@pasuluzey.xs4all.nl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.1/20091206080429]" [17:27] dartmouth: err... _More_ space on line in a small terminal screen? [17:27] well fire|bird [17:27] If u have two balls between ur legs it means u r man.If u have four it does not means that u r superman, iska matlab aapki koi ga#d mar raha hai [17:28] fire|bird: I now know what to tell people to type for [17:28] neconide: you can join back, now you know what it does. :) [17:28] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] Action: dartmouth does /ignore extremist_wannabe [17:29] Action: dartmouth no longer hears WarCriminal [17:29] wtf? [17:29] dartmouth: good on you.. going to follow your example. [17:30] anthis (n=anthis@got.high.and.ended.up.forgetting.his.user-name.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] PsYkHe (i=PsYkHe@187.36.145.178) joined ##slackware. [17:30] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-194-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:32] MarderIII, good to hear; you know the stupid:not-stupid ratio here just changed dramatically when I did that. [17:32] :-D [17:32] wait... was patrick05 "The Patrick"? [17:33] ask him [17:33] He quit... [17:34] Pig_Pen: ok, you can join back. :D [17:34] L) [17:34] :) [17:34] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-46-138.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Pig_Pen hi [17:35] hi deximat you get your wifi working good? [17:36] oh yeah! it was an antenna problem [17:36] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.45) left irc: [17:36] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-089-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Pig_Pen, I dont know... it is shiting me again... it works perfectly 15 mins then it doesnt work... cant get ip... then it works slow.... I have no idea [17:37] Pig_Pen: on my laptop it is just fine, I use wicd now, and on PC changable [17:37] Pig_Pen: do you have any idea? [17:38] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] greetings and salutations [17:38] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [17:39] i heard some people having that problem with wifi cutting out every so many minutes like that, sometimes it was a driver or particular wifi card, other times it was wpa/wpa2 [17:39] Pig_Pen: no encription [17:40] what wifi chip does your laptop have deximat [17:41] laptop is fine, PC is problem, just a min [17:41] deximat: had a related problem with ethernet over the AC power cables. At high(er) speeds the connection choked after 5-10 minutes. Lower speed settings did just fine [17:42] MarderIII you mean I should limit connection speed? [17:42] Pig_Pen I got model of the wifi card: TL-WN350GD [17:43] think of it like burning CDroms years ago when you would get buffer underruns, and you had to throttle back the speed of your burning session just a notch, [17:43] deximat: give it a try at least [17:44] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.178.177) joined ##slackware. [17:44] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: "Leaving" [17:46] i would rather throttle it back just a tiny bit below the capacity than have to restart the service every 10 or 15 minutes [17:46] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:48] evening folks [17:48] I've got a question that maybe someone can answer. [17:48] i guess the connection was "noisy" and connection errors kept piling up until the driver/hardware locked up. [17:49] I putted 54M [17:49] we will see now [17:49] rebooting [17:49] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.224.163) left irc: Connection timed out [17:50] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit [17:50] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:50] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:51] There has been a thread going on in the Slackware section of LQ. KDE 4.2.4 seems to have an issue where the calendar in the clock causes plasma to crash. I know this is resolved in later versions of KDE, and I'm sure it's probably a question for the KDE channel, but I was curious if Volkerding was aware of that issue in Slackware 13's KDE 4.2.4. [17:51] and if a backport for that was in the works [17:52] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.165.69) joined ##slackware. [17:52] SigmaVirus24 (n=WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:53] it seems like its working :))) [17:53] MarderIII [17:54] :-) [17:54] ClaudioM, that's a vendor-specific patch, and so therefore, my guess would be that he doesn't care [17:54] we will see in couple of minutes [17:54] Necos: fair enough. Thanks :-) [17:54] there are 4.3 packages available in -current [17:55] I know, but I didn't want to move to current. I was pretty content with the release versino [17:55] but I guess I'll have to do it [17:55] thanks :-) [17:55] ClaudioM: we do not backport bugfixes, only if they fix a security hole [17:56] paul_Ram (n=paul@cpe-24-167-96-211.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:59] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [17:59] alienBOB: ok good to know...thanks for the info [17:59] alienBOB: I'll check out that unofficial one you mentioned [17:59] thanks guys [18:00] See http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/ ClaudioM [18:00] will do, thank you much [18:00] rezidue (n=alex@114.59.35.218) joined ##slackware. [18:00] nyRednek: o really? Now it shows that I never run 32-bit Slackware ;-) [18:00] I will share this information on the LQ thread as well [18:01] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-089-060.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:01] alienBOB: thought you may want to know [18:01] Thanks [18:01] I'll look into that [18:02] alienBOB: i think it's more of the download url you choose to download the proprietary daemon from [18:04] O, I do not download the daemon... the client does that on first start. Let's see.. [18:04] alienBOB, think i should bother writing a howto for lvm/raid1 with grub2 and xen? [18:05] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.166.156) joined ##slackware. [18:06] jeev, i'd like to read it. [18:06] bastard [18:06] lol [18:07] i'll have to write one up again... [18:07] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.234.154.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] necos, how's the weather there [18:07] Immundus (n=obi@e179129194.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [18:08] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] guax (n=guax@201-24-68-188.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:08] jeev: why should you *not* bother? Documentation for Slackware is always a good thing to find (even if it is probably largely distro-independent, it will be proven to work on Slackware) [18:09] rezidue (n=alex@114.59.35.218) left ##slackware. [18:09] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.234.154.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:09] deximat: pc still "online" ? [18:10] ok dokie [18:10] i will do it then [18:10] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [18:10] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.178.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:11] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: "Leaving" [18:12] has anyone gotten intel-KMS to work right away at boot? I'm trying to build i915 + intel-agp into the initrd, but it still doesn't kick on [18:14] MarderIII working on it... it uses wicd, I set rate limit somwhere else... [18:15] dunno what kms is ;D [18:15] deximat: good luck with it.. :-) gtg now, see you around. [18:15] but my lappy is downstairs, has slack64 on it [18:15] should i get it thrice? [18:15] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [18:16] nah, it's pebkac, but I'm too lazy to keep rebooting. figured I'd ask :) [18:16] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [18:16] man nothing is worse than rebooting a system that takes 20 seconds to hit bios and have to deal with the latency of a slow kvm over ip [18:16] over https heh [18:17] ^MAssEy^ (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:17] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] jeev: bah, reboot a system with an external usb drive that takes 10s to start plugged-in and which makes lilo fails afterwards [18:19] eh [18:19] your system sucks then [18:19] gm152_ (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] gm152_ (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] (or in good days, the bios stops the disk, starts lilo, lilo starts linux, linux starts the drive again and waits 10s for it) [18:19] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] jeev: external 3"5' drive in an enclosure, it takes ages to spin up [18:20] nasty [18:20] you booting to it ? [18:20] but I'm also using it connected through sata and it's ok [18:20] jeev: not booting it but the systems thinks so (I have USB boot before disk boot) [18:20] i see [18:21] and going to bed now, good night :-) [18:21] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] sarkoman (n=sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [18:23] what should be problem if I connect to the router but I dont get internet access ? (only on one pc, other gets internet too) [18:24] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:24] deximat you need to improve the questio [18:24] you connect? how do you know? what do you connect with? etc etc [18:24] 2 pcs connected to wireless router, has local IP with dhcpcd... [18:25] one has internet access other doesnt [18:25] neconide (n=nnscript@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] can i haz smart question [18:25] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Delahunt (n=robert@fd213-235.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:26] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:28] lol evil mancha [18:29] eeef you has smartur anzer [18:29] if people really spoke like that, i'd be in jail for murder [18:30] Necos: i know...me too [18:30] tavl__ (n=tavl@189.70.221.221) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Guest26741 (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:31] speaking of which, that elevator idiot better hope i'm never behind him on a subway platform [18:31] elevator idiot? ignorance is bliss... :) [18:32] Necos: at the atlantic terminal, some idiot kept pushing the platform button when we were trying to go to the street [18:33] lol [18:34] and you mean to say you managed to keep from tossing him out of the elevator? [18:34] Necos: honestly, if you entered an elevator, leaving a train tunnel...the two buttons were labeled p and s...why would you ever hit p? [18:34] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-46-138.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] i'd look up to see what floor i was on :) [18:35] and then push the other one lol [18:35] hey what's the cheapest way of getting a platform to play with ARMedSlack? [18:35] Necos: i hit him on the back of the head and pushed the right button [18:35] Delahunt: buy a sheevaplug [18:36] why did i think of NGE just now? :P [18:36] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:36] Necos: nge? [18:36] neon genesis evangelion [18:37] Necos: and told him on way up that i told him that i was surprised that he made it to his current age in this city [18:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_franchise [18:37] lol [18:38] poor bastid he is [18:39] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] goarilla (n=goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:39] by the way, this is a standard size elevator car(about 1mx0.75m) and we had 10 people or so inside the car [18:40] the entire population of the car was laughing as we got off(after my comment to him) [18:40] i'd have thrown him out and made it someone else's problem lol [18:40] i would have, but that would have also pushed him across a baby in a stroller [18:41] collateral damage [18:41] Necos: i wouldn't want to go to jail over hurting the kid [18:41] do what Delita did in final fantasy tactics... [18:41] "blame yourself or blame god" [18:42] Necos: doesn [18:42] lol [18:42] doesn't work well in NYC [18:42] good thing i live in LA then :P [18:42] i still hate eeepc keyboards [18:43] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.166.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:43] apparently, they still hate you :) [18:44] Necos: no biggie...sunday i get another notebook [18:44] Andi_ (n=Andi@201.11.70.113) joined ##slackware. [18:44] nyRednek, ah thanks [18:44] although i'd rather find something a bit larger [18:44] goarilla (n=goarilla@169.92-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Hi, how can i install apt-get / dpkg in slackware?(i need to make some packages .deb) [18:44] i'm thinking: what is the absolute cheapest way to buy someone a computer that works with Linux for their home (like grandparents)? [18:45] no, you can't do that [18:45] i'm thinking used netbook [18:45] Andi_, check alien (if that project still exists) [18:45] Delahunt: buy used from craigslist,pawn shop, LUG member [18:45] use alien to convert it to tgz, but better yet, look for a slackbuild [18:45] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:21d) joined ##slackware. [18:46] oh wait... [18:46] he's making packages for debian... [18:46] so, either use checkinstall or install debian :P [18:46] yeah =p [18:46] hmm [18:46] Necos: i'd suggest a virtualbox with a debian install in it [18:47] and if i compile dpkg by source? [18:47] don't you dare [18:47] I think src2pkg can create deb files [18:47] a big russian will show up at your door with a baseball bat [18:47] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:47] i need the .deb package to run in my iphone... :x [18:47] at 3am, and his name will be igor [18:47] Necos: and i just cleaned my shotgun [18:47] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:47] gnubien, yeah [18:47] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:48] lol [18:48] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] gnubien, hey what about PS3? there are some used ones at the thrift store for cheap. to make them into linux machines you just need a hard drive for them, right? [18:48] have any of you guys seen the movie R.E.C.? [18:48] moral of the story: don't bring a club to a gunfight [18:48] it's what Quarantine was based off of [18:48] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:49] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: "Leaving." [18:49] Necos, there's no way then? =// [18:49] well nyRednek, it's a good thing Igor isn't showing up at your door :P [18:49] Andi_, try checkinstall or src2pkg as alienBOB suggested [18:50] i know checkinstall can generate debs (but i'm not sure how it works) [18:50] okay... i'll try :), and about making a debian repo, using slackware, it's possible? [18:50] no [18:50] and don't ever ask again :) [18:50] worst thing a cop can hear after a knock and identify: "fire in the hole" [18:50] nyRednek, lol! [18:50] that'd be great [18:50] tuxdev_ (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] ew .deb files [18:51] Necos thank you ;D i'm asking it becouse my iphone use this shit --', and i want to make a repo to install things easier :D [18:52] you have a data plan... use it! [18:52] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:53] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.164.189) joined ##slackware. [18:53] i have wireless too xD, but i want to make my packages o.0 can be intersting xD [18:53] Necos: the bad thing of all that--i haven't had any negative contact with the NYPD [18:53] i'll try to run vmware and run ubuntu under vmware on my slackware server ;) [18:53] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "I am out for a bit, maybe longer" [18:54] Necos: my last negative police contact was the NY Thruway Authority [18:54] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] nyRednek, you're apparently NOT black :P [18:54] tavl__ (n=tavl@189.70.221.221) left irc: Connection timed out [18:54] Andi_, that sounds painful [18:55] Necos: no, i'm a light-skinned mid-easterner [18:55] lol [18:55] i look white [18:55] i have negative contact with the police and i'll i'm doing is driving! [18:56] i get tired of gettin stopped because i'm DWB :P [18:56] Necos: i got charged with operating a salvage operation without proper signage in dutchess co [18:57] a class e felony [18:57] i was handcuffed to the point that my wrists were purple, gun pointed at my head while being searched, and punched in the nuts because i "fit the description of..." [18:57] i didn't even do anything wrong >.> [18:58] Afro (n=bostjan@89-212-215-104.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] Hi everyone. I have a rather curious thingie going on. When I untar the archive, most of the time all directories untarred get the 777 permissions. If I untar the same archive on another [18:58] machine, the permissions are normal 755-ish. Can anyone hint me why this is happening? Umask is normal 0022. [18:58] Afro, because the two locations differ in umask? [18:58] if that cop had done any of that, i would've put my rig over his hood, and gave him a *reason* to cuff me [18:58] was it two different users? [18:59] nope, umask is definitely 0022 [18:59] nyRednek, yeah, that's the difference in skin color :P [18:59] Necos, but it is easier than backup all my slackware(router,mysql,dhcp,dns,web,...) and install ubuntu or other debian-based system :X [18:59] and if I create directory with mkdir, it gets normal permissions [19:00] so you're saying if you tar -xjf whatever.tar.bz2 && ls -lh whatever gives dxrwxrwxrw etc? [19:00] Necos: well, i won't say racism is dead, cause it obviously isn't, but i look more at a person's projected attitude over any skin color to guage whether i'm going to be friendly [19:00] but if you mkdir whatever && tar -xjf whatever.tar.bz2 && ls -lh gives drwxr-xr-x ? [19:01] necos, you dont get stopped for dwb, you get stopped for dwg! [19:01] Necos: and it doesn't seem to be as bad in nyc as it was in la last time i was there [19:02] all the dirs created with tar 'inherit' 777 permissions [19:03] if the umasks are the same the extraction should be the same [19:03] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [19:03] pics or it didn't happen [19:03] dwg? lol [19:03] Necos: jeev is openly racist [19:03] just tried to make sure, it is like this: [19:03] Afro, check man tar and see if it's a tar setting you can change [19:03] 1. mkdir dirname [19:04] gets 755 [19:04] 2. tar -jxf dirname.tar.gz [19:04] changes dirname to 777 [19:04] Nick change: tavl_ -> tavl [19:04] this really seems wierd, I know [19:04] :) [19:05] ok i don't know what you're doing but use --same-permissions on the untar if you're sure something is amiss [19:05] i still don't have a good idea of what you're doing [19:07] I am simply untarring an archive [19:07] ok, describe the situation fully [19:07] Agiofws (n=nnAgiofw@athedsl-420449.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:07] and lately I have noticed all directories created that way get 777 permissions [19:08] have you fiddled with the umask? [19:08] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:08] no, it is 0022 [19:08] Agiofws (n=nnnAgiof@athedsl-428305.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:09] and the thing is, besides umask I do not have an idea what does influence the permissions of newly created directory with tar [19:10] it *should* be set to whatever the directory mode was when the archive was created [19:10] hmm with sheevaplug, why not just get some used apple airports and hack 'em ? [19:11] yes i agree, there's no reason why it'll be different [19:11] using --same-permissions does not change a thing [19:11] the dir will have the original perms (at archive creation) as modified by the user's umask [19:12] Afro, --no-same-permissions [19:12] delahunt: just tried, same result [19:12] (--same-permissions is default for superuser) [19:12] temporarily they might have different ones as file creation within might require higher pris [19:12] privs [19:12] --no-same-permissions uses the user's hostmask (not for superuser) [19:12] otherwise why do we care at this point if we can chmod -R 755 at the end ? [19:12] hostmask? umask you mean? [19:12] s/hostmask/umask [19:13] true, but it is anoying because besides that I have almost every aspect of the system under control :) [19:14] you still have this aspect under control [19:14] tar -xjf whatever.tar.bz2 && chmod -R 755 whatever [19:14] nope, I still have this aspect TO GET under control :) [19:15] true, Delahunt, but this is a 'postfest' quick and dirty workaround around real problem [19:15] Action: Delahunt shrugs [19:15] or go file a bug with tar project [19:15] i can't reproduce your problem Afro [19:15] thanks for all your assistance [19:15] Afro: can you put a sample archive somewhere? [19:16] (reprodce the problem with it and then upload it somewhere for me to get) [19:16] so i am archving it to my personal PEBKAC file [19:16] nono, me neither on my laptop machine, but it happens on servers [19:16] until i can see pics, it didn't happen [19:16] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-23-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:16] mancha: indeed PEBKAC [19:16] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:16] LOL [19:17] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] nono, it is definitely not tar issue [19:17] :> [19:18] afk for supper now though [19:18] the thing is, I only install bare slackware and then compile almost whole system (libs and progs which are used as production environment) via puppet recipes... [19:18] that's not relevant to this though [19:18] so ... 20GB hard drive on internet for PS3, $40. PS3 from thrift store, $20. so far seems to be a cheap way to make a personal computer for someone, but i wonder if they have the rest of what is required lol [19:19] therefore next step in this debugging process is to recreate that process and verify between stages to discover WHEN does the change occur. [19:19] terver (i=misha@epicsol.org) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Afro: does /bin/tar --versino say 1.22 or 1.13? [19:20] 1.16.1 [19:20] tar (GNU tar) 1.22 [19:20] this one is from distro [19:20] ok what distro? [19:20] tar (GNU tar) 1.16.1 [19:20] Slack64 13.0.0 [19:21] sorry, I lie [19:21] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.164.189) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:21] Slack 12.2 [19:21] that doesn't sound right because i'm on slackware 13 ... oh [19:21] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:21] time to upgrade 8-) [19:21] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] the tar permission process hasn't changes from tar 1.16.1 to 1.22 [19:22] never mind then [19:22] didn't think it had but i'm one of those current stable version freaks 8-) [19:22] mancha: no, but slackware ships with tar-1.13 too [19:22] is it in /pasture ? [19:22] mancha: and it is handled by a symlink [19:23] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-21-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:23] probably true, but it is irrelevant [19:23] Delahunt: nope.. the slackware pkgtools call tar-1.13 directly [19:23] happens the same with 1.22 on Slack64 13.0 machine [19:23] ah never noticed that [19:23] mac, yes with a different name thoug :) [19:24] why would pkgtools want to call tar-1.13 directly? [19:24] Anyone else running Slackware inside VMWare? [19:24] why is that? [19:24] no, tar-1.13 is not handled by a symlink [19:24] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.191.9) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Motoko: I did once. [19:24] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Motoko-chan, i'm running it in virtualbox [19:24] I was wondering what kernel module is required for the SCSI it uses. [19:24] It looked like mptspi, but that isn't working. [19:24] mancha: if you omit installing tar /bin/tar becomes a symlink to /bin/tar-1.13 iirc [19:24] LSI I think [19:25] tar (plain) is 1.16.1 on 12.x (there is also a /bin/tar-1.13 executable) though [19:25] sherri (n=sherri@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:25] but why does pkgtools use tar-1.13? backward compatibility? workaround? [19:25] macavity, how can that be? tar-1.13 is part of the tar package [19:26] so how can you get tar-1.13 while omitting installing tar? [19:26] /bin/tar-1.13 [19:26] call the binary directly [19:26] mancha: never mind.. brain fart.. i just checked [19:27] hah, i knew i recognized the smell. i get those (usually on monday mornings) [19:27] tediosu (n=lahlahal@217.146.88.13) left ##slackware. [19:27] i think "stable tar" *was* part of aaa-base at some point [19:27] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-23-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:27] or maybe i just dreamed it.. [19:28] ah ok, possibly so. not sure about that [19:28] btw, the info page for tar sucks :P [19:28] the info page for glibc is nothing short of amazing though [19:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [19:30] alrighty folks, have a good weekend :) [19:30] i'm out of here! [19:31] latars Necos [19:31] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-21-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:31] u2 necos [19:32] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-21-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:32] ComputerNoobie: back for more? :P [19:32] intermezzo question: Have you ever upgraded glibc on any of your machines? [19:32] heck no [19:32] that's a good way to royally screw up a linux distribution iirc [19:33] Afro: every time slackware bumps major version :P [19:33] i would say upgrade to slack 13 if you need a newer glibc (or -current if your needs are even more bleeding edge) [19:33] Delahunt: not really.. glibc has been binary stable for *ages* [19:33] macavity: by installing whole system afresh? [19:33] macavity, no i'm saying that if you do that, almost everything on the machine depends on glibc [19:33] Afro: no, by upgrading according to the docs [19:33] the reason pkgtools uses tar-1.13 is (IIRC) to do with how tar handles symlinks. On slack, /usr/share/man is a symlink to /usr/man. If you install a badly-made package that has man pages in /usr/share/man, using tar-1.13, /usr/share/man remains a symlink and the man pages end up in /usr/man. With later versions, /usr/share/man become a directory, containing the man pages [19:34] did it cause any anomalies? [19:34] Afro: UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT are there for the exact same reason [19:34] (morning everyone, BTW) [19:34] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.198.241) joined ##slackware. [19:34] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:34] I know, I know they are:) [19:34] Urchlay: right [19:34] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] Afro: but please.. be a real pro and dont compile your own packages on production systems :P [19:35] Afro: that you even need to ask about glibc clearly shows that job is better done by someone else (no offence, we all have to start somewhere) [19:35] :) I sure hope you are serious [19:36] not unless you (a) *really* need the new version, and (b) have thoroughly tested it on a dev/staging system, and (c) use a proper slackbuild instead of plain "make install" [19:36] This wireless setting is killing me! [19:36] fwiw though if you really need to do this you can always use a virtual box or virtual machine and do it there, compiling static though [19:36] actually i am... that is why i frawn upon people who use homegrown gentoo builds with 1337 use flags and -fun-roll-loops on their production servers [19:36] deximat, which one? [19:37] Afro: if you're wanting to upgrade glibc to understand how the process works, do it on a throwaway install (maybe on a virtualbox vm) [19:37] s/frawn/frown [19:37] that too [19:37] i mean, look at openoffice, it's compiled static so that it works on almost all linux boxen [19:37] "frawn", is that pronounced to rhyme with "pr0n"? [19:37] you can compile it static in a vm/vb [19:37] I did not ask if I should upgrade it, I only asked if any of you guys do it. What I have learned is that servers pass out of production faster than there is a need to upgrade glibc. [19:37] Delahunt: I am trying to set wireless to work with rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless but it doesnt work :((( [19:37] Urchlay, probably lol [19:38] deximat: WEP or WPA? [19:38] deximat, let me guess, intel 2100/2200 ? [19:38] or that [19:38] Afro: really? you mean the hardware becomes obsolete, or you mean you upgrade/reinstall them after a year or so? [19:38] nope, hardware thing [19:38] macavity: no encription [19:39] O_O [19:39] Delahunt TL-WN350GD [19:39] hmm [19:39] deximat: can you do it manually with iwconfig and dhcpcd? [19:39] Hardware. [19:39] no [19:39] ap doesnt want to associate [19:39] have you checked if that particular card needs firmware? [19:40] does dmesg say anything? [19:40] Stable systems which are not redundand can not be just taken down and reinstalled after a year of operation:) [19:40] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-177-88.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] Action: ananke doesn't know any sane person who upgrades glibc on their systems outside of regular distro patches [19:41] macavity: it has some wierd things sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt... [19:41] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] macavity, I will check it now [19:41] glibc hardly breaks anything these days [19:41] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Afro (n=bostjan@89-212-215-104.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "lousy irc client..." [19:42] Agiofws (n=nnnAgiof@athedsl-428305.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] Afro (n=bostjan@89-212-215-104.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] macavity: (ath5k): not using net device ops yet [19:42] Afro: hm, unless the hardware dies from old age, a server's still as capable as it ever was [19:42] thrice`: you mean it is binary compatible with previous versions? [19:43] I didn't say that [19:43] macavity: ADRCONF(NETDE UP): wlan0: link is not ready [19:43] it used to be that they would break quite a bit, but that hasn't been the case in a couple years [19:43] if you got a 5-year-old machine, it should still work (if not, it was a piece of junk in the first place) [19:43] Urchlay: true, but applications grow hungrier [19:43] then start complaining [19:43] Urchlay: except that now you have a machine without hardware maintenance support :) [19:43] Afro: server side apps don't bloat up as fast as desktop apps though... [19:44] ananke: is anyone's hardware maintenance support ever worth a crap? (maybe if you pay $thousands for it, I dunno, never worked in a place big enough to have that) [19:44] Urchlay: the developers of web applications are hard to convince to write them to be more effective :) [19:45] Urchlay: uhmm, yes. you mean you buy hardware without warranty? [19:45] Urchlay: tried to tell them, failed 70% of time [19:45] Afro: then fire 'em, replace 'em with people who actually know what they're doing? [19:45] :) [19:45] Afro: no, not without warranty. But everywhere I've worked that had warranty/maintenance contracts, the vendor was pretty useless [19:46] Urchlay: "Educate them" is better way I believe, but you have the point anyway [19:46] deximat: ok, it uses the ath5k driver [19:46] I call 'em up and go "the RAID card has gone bad", they take 2 or 3 days to ship a new one. Yeah, we can afford 2-3 days downtime, sure... [19:46] deximat: it has the AR2417 / AR5007G combo [19:46] Urchlay: interesting. they didn't honor their warranty or what? what kind of vendors were those? [19:46] deximat: so, in all probability, a kernel upgrade to latest stable will fix the problem [19:46] Dell. Which I already knew was crap (I didn't pick them) [19:47] deximat: since -current is in a *very* good shape these days, i actually reccomend that you upgrade to it if it is important to you [19:47] Urchlay: Urchlay: are you talking for servers or generally? [19:47] and now i am probably going to get flamed :P [19:47] Afro: talking about the servers at a particular job I used to have, I guess [19:47] Urchlay: dell servers and their warranty aren't crap. sounds like you didn't pay for the right kind of service [19:47] macavity: I need internet connection, how can I upgrade it? [19:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] ananke: maybe. I had no control over that... [19:48] deximat: use a wire first? [19:48] Urchlay: if you can't afford downtime, you buy their 4 hour service. if you need next business day, you buy that. [19:48] ananke: the actual hardware was fine [19:48] deximat: or, download the unofficial isos from ftp.slackware.no [19:48] macavity: I dont have wire, that shy I bought router [19:48] deximat: or create your own isos as described in the documentation [19:49] deximat: what computer are you using to talk to me from? [19:49] yeah it's not hard to rip your own -current ISOs [19:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Client Quit [19:49] if i can do it, i know you can 8-) [19:49] macavity: laptop [19:50] deximat: that's a little sparse.... [19:50] Urchlay: overall, your experience sounds a bit sketchy [19:50] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.191.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] macavity: that pc is my mothers... [19:50] deximat: does it run Linux of some sort? can it burn a CD? [19:50] grazymax_ (n=grazymax@host32-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:50] i dont care whos it is.. [19:50] i care if we can get a shit load of packages onto it so you can get them onto the slackware machine [19:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-229-20.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] do you have an external USB drive? [19:50] macavity same slackware13 [19:51] exelent [19:51] what kind of transfere options do we have? [19:51] usb would be the best [19:51] do you happen to have a 4GB USB thumbdrive? [19:52] nope 1G [19:52] why do i need that much? [19:52] because i dont, for the love of god, remember how many of the packages have been upgraded since 13.0, so i reccomend grapping them all if possible [19:53] macavity: what are we going to do? [19:53] do you have a spare blank DVD? [19:53] unforenutely no :( [19:54] deximat: either you compile a new kernel by hand, or you upgrade to slacwkare-current [19:54] uhmm... come to think of it, you can just grap the two kernel packages you need from -current [19:54] since they have no userspace deps, that should be allright [19:54] yeah kernel packages *should* work -current to slack13 [19:55] just be *very* mindfull of the that the new kernels will rename /dev/hda to /dev/sda [19:55] so you may need to do some lilo trickery [19:55] oh the new kernels started that retardation? [19:55] Delahunt: all drivers have now been moved to libata [19:55] all of them [19:55] Action: Delahunt rolls his eyes [19:55] ath5k cant be just installed on this kernel? [19:56] no no no.. libata is much much faster internnaly [19:56] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] deximat: negatory [19:56] no i don't care about them moving, just that i don't see the harm in pata staying /dev/hd* [19:56] that way you could easily distinguish it from sata/usb /dev/sd* [19:56] macavity: slackware-current is newer than slackware 13? [19:56] case in point, right now on my machine the cd/dvd writer is pata on ide controller and comes up as hda [19:56] deximat: that would require you patchen the hell out of half the kernel subsystems.. and i dont think you have the skills to do that [19:57] and hard drive sda [19:57] easy to tell apart [19:57] deximat: yup.. its the development snapshot that will eventually become slackware 13.1 or slackware 14 (we dont know which yet) [19:57] macavity: stability? [19:57] Slackware-current is a snapshot of the active Slackware development tree. [19:57] It is intended to give developers (and other Linux gurus) a chance to test [19:57] out the latest packages for Slackware. The feedback we get will allow us [19:57] Channel flood from BP{k} -- kicking [19:57] to make the next stable release better than ever. [19:57] BP{k} kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:57] deximat: as i said before, right now -current is in a *very* good shape [19:57] usually -current is stable [19:57] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [19:58] okay, I guess I deserved that. :-) [19:58] not always, and there is no guarantee, but like i said, 99.9% of the time, -current is stable [19:58] BP{k}: but it *had* to be done. ;) [19:58] Delahunt: personally i think it is better than 13.0 ever was (because it went out the door at an unfortunate time due to kernel/mesa/intel wierdness) [19:58] i think i was using -current from slack 10 to 11 full time without much problems [19:58] ok, I will download it and try it.... [19:58] well 13 is fine, my only gripe honestly is wicd [19:59] it supports athk5? [19:59] yes [19:59] why do you think i suggested it? [19:59] i know 8-) [19:59] ok, thanks a lot, I will put to download :) [19:59] but again, you could just upgrade your kernel [19:59] i have an intel card and i helped test the stuff for rworkman so i guess i have no issues due to being involved and giving feedback lol [19:59] if you have the stomack :P [19:59] i do [19:59] but now I dont have time [20:00] I have to learn other things on linux [20:00] I will do kernel later [20:00] deeply [20:00] deximat: is your root /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* ? [20:00] sd [20:00] ah, then it is a walk in the park [20:00] so I can do just upgrade not freh instal? [20:01] download the three kernel packages for -smp from the slackware-current directory [20:01] grazymax (n=grazymax@host32-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [20:01] yes [20:02] what packages? [20:02] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:03] I can not for the life of me find any way to get my sound card working. I tried Alsa. I have an ASUS G51VX-RX05 gaming series laptop, P7350 C2C processor, and a realtek sound chip set [20:03] deximat: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/a [20:03] deximat: all the ones whose name start with kernel- [20:03] deximat: and have -smp in the name [20:04] downloading kernel-* [20:05] kernel-generic-smp-2.6.32.2_smp-i686-1.txz, kernel-huge-smp-2.6.32.2_smp-i686-1.txz and kernel-modules-smp-2.6.32.2_smp-i686-1.txz [20:05] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.181.208) joined ##slackware. [20:05] upgradepkg all those, run lilo [20:06] strictly speaking you probably dont need the -generic-smp, since i take it you havent made an initrd and fiddled with lilo, etc etc [20:06] but just for good measuers [20:06] *measures [20:06] you can get the corresponding kernel source in slackware/k/ [20:07] time to go [20:08] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.198.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] flavio_ (n=flavio@189-68-65-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:10] me 2 [20:10] take care all and thanks for your hints [20:10] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-74-47-114-207-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Afro (n=bostjan@89-212-215-104.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:11] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-20-78.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:11] hey alienBOB you wrote a doc in 03-dec-2010? [20:11] http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.3.85/ [20:13] wow, nice [20:14] hrm [20:15] i guess aliens are capable of time travel [20:16] gees [20:17] KDE *requires* virtouso [20:17] http://virtuoso.openlinksw.com/dataspace/dav/wiki/Main/VOSIntro [20:22] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "¬" [20:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [20:23] flavio_ (n=flavio@189-68-65-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [20:24] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-187.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:24] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-21-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:24] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:25] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:32] xZago (n=xzago@189.61.149.104) joined ##slackware. [20:33] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] macavity: so I just run upgradepkg *? [20:36] --install-new [20:37] deximat: in the dir where you downloaded the packages: upgradepkg *t?z [20:37] powtrix: no need [20:37] oh just kernels [20:37] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.224.163) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:37] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.224.163) joined ##slackware. [20:38] deximat: after that you re-run lilo [20:38] thats all? [20:38] deximat: if you forget that things will blow up [20:38] yups [20:38] thanks a lot man! [20:38] :) [20:38] if it works yay :) [20:38] you can tell me in a few secs [20:38] so when frimware is bad it sometimes work sometimes not? [20:39] yeah [20:39] going to that room to reboot [20:39] good evening all [20:39] in ath5k there IS no firmware [20:40] it is one of the few fully free drivers [20:43] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.234.154.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:47] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@68-30-229-20.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:50] hi computer [20:52] I need alienBOB brain neuron preceptron net connected to my Dyanbook 2010 laptop computer and help to Write these scripts [20:52] * via ssh channel [20:53] if you want serious help, please state a serious question [20:53] tuvok302Lappy (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-162.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:53] macavity: should I use ath5k driver somwhere in the configuration? [20:53] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] deximat: nope [20:54] deximat: it *should* just autoload [20:54] deximat: iwconfig wlan0 essid MyAccesPoint [20:54] deximat: dhcpcd wlan0 [20:54] macavity :( [20:54] not working... [20:54] :( [20:54] dissociative (n=alejandr@186.97.26.50) joined ##slackware. [20:55] what does dmesg say? [20:55] and what does uname -r say? [20:55] 2.6.32.2-smp [20:55] dmesg has a lot to talk... [20:56] even just for wlan0 [20:56] dmesg | grep ath5k [20:56] sec [20:57] just on out on a limb here.. does that laptop have a wifi switch? [20:57] unsupported jumbo [20:57] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.161.168) joined ##slackware. [20:57] unsupported jumbo? [20:57] yes [20:58] that is not good.. [20:58] what that means? [20:58] i google told me that your nick *should* be fully supported in recent ath5k [20:58] and you dont get it any more recent than what you have [20:59] i suspect your best bet is to wait untill antiwire shows up [20:59] he is, as the name implies, the local wifi guru [20:59] ok [20:59] thanks [20:59] since i cant get to see your dmesg output i am really stuck [21:00] matu (n=matu@client80-83-42-119.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [21:00] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) got netsplit. [21:00] it would probably aid him if you can find a cross over cable to run between the two of them [21:00] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) returned to ##slackware. [21:01] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] ok tnx [21:01] a lot [21:01] you are welcome [21:02] also, inform him (and anyone else) that you have upgraded your kernel to 32.2 with the official ones from -current [21:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [21:03] it is working now, but trouble with nvidia [21:03] xZago (n=xzago@189.61.149.104) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] new kernel [21:04] xZago (n=xzago@189.61.149.104) joined ##slackware. [21:04] ah, reinstall the driver [21:04] this always happen with each and everyone of the out-off-tree drivers you have [21:04] i, however, suspect that the nvidia one is the only one you have :P [21:04] you shouldn't compile kernel support for nvidia if you're also using the binary drivers [21:06] Skywise: exxplain [21:06] macavity: I cant just reinstall downloading sources for new kernel [21:06] Skywise: he didnt [21:06] komentar2e_listy (n=komentar@200-207-57-235.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [21:07] anyone have an opinion on puppet (a cfengine alternative)? [21:07] deximat: sorry, that didnt make sense [21:07] deximat: are you re-downloading the proprietary nvidia driver? [21:07] deximat, basically if you compile your own kernel, don't enable the framebuffer driver in the kernel [21:07] mmlj4: major contender in that area is puppet [21:08] generic is fine [21:08] Skywise: he is not compiling his own kernel.... [21:08] no, I am downloading sources of new kernel so nvidia software could build its module for new kernel [21:08] deximat: right, you know where to find it :P [21:09] deximat: you are picking the source package from -current, right? (as opposed to the "real" version from kernel.org) [21:10] yes [21:10] omfgggg [21:10] this is not working again [21:10] i cangt beleeve it [21:10] huh? [21:10] it works for 15 minutes [21:10] and then after reboot not working... [21:10] i dont understand nothing.... [21:10] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:11] it sounds more like your AP is either picky, your wifi card is acting up, or something else is at foul play [21:11] if you dont understand nothing, then you understand all [21:11] Delahunt (n=robert@fd213-235.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [21:11] macavity: ap is good, laptop is connceting with no problem at all [21:12] what wifi card is in the laptop? [21:12] i have no idea [21:12] lol [21:12] lspci will tell you [21:13] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [21:13] anyhow, time for me to log off.. its 03:17 in the morning [21:13] nn guys [21:13] 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 [21:13] night macavity [21:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "¬" [21:13] good night macavity [21:13] neconide (n=neconide@ool-ad0360d1.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "zZzZzZzZzZz" [21:14] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-183.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-173-108.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:20] haha. :) [23:22] XGizzmo, long time no see. how are you? [23:22] hmmm, what wise thing for batts to say to assist these slackers to their afterlife [23:23] "piss off, grasshopper"? ;-) [23:23] "i must not be too big a deal Bob has been there and back a couple of times" [23:24] s/i/it [23:24] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:27] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.245.46) joined ##slackware. [23:27] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:28] Delahunt: Not bad. Just busy. [23:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:31] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-131.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:31] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:33] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:34] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. 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[23:48] uh /etc/prifile i think hold on [23:48] set VISUAL to the editor you want [23:48] Skywise+ [23:49] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.217.71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:49] Skywise: I am not sure I understand [23:49] run this [23:49] edit /etc/profile [23:49] VISUAL="vim" crontab -e [23:49] and/or edit /etc/profile [23:49] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:49] theres an environment variable which dictates the default editor to use [23:50] Action: Delahunt sushi nom nom nom [23:51] /etc/profile says VISUAL = emacs [23:51] Action: Skywise is listening to Charles Mingus - Ah Um, nom nom nom [23:51] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:51] is there a # in front of it? [23:52] change emacs to vim, then login again [23:52] or specify on command line before running crontab -e like i suggested [23:52] cryptic0: thats for ksh [23:52] it's set in /etc/profile as a global environmental variable but setting on command line overrides it for the current command [23:53] theres no setting for other shells in /etc/profile [23:53] sahk0: yes, thats for ksh [23:53] wow, thanks sahk0 i didn't notice that [23:53] do you use ksh? [23:53] you can also customise your own .profile [23:54] if you dont "/etc/profile says VISUAL = emacs" is wrong :p [23:54] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] sahk0: I don't use ksh [23:56] I used temp method for now [23:57] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-158-131.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:57] will .profile be located in ~/? [23:57] yes [23:57] create it if it doesn't exist [23:57] diogenes323 (n=diogenes@99.141.121.246) joined ##slackware. [23:57] and can it only contain this? VISUAL="vim" [23:58] no, its just a script executed on login, just like /etc/profile [23:58] you can also "export VISUAL="vim" " in .bashrc. that works too [23:58] only ~/.profile is per user and /etc/profile is global [23:58] Skywise: I am the only user [23:58] then make it global [23:58] and then you'll never need change it again [23:59] so if you want to make it global you can do it in /etc/profile but make sure you don't do it within the "if shell=ksh" part or it only applies in ksh shell [23:59] or just copy it to where the other variables are set [23:59] Delahunt: so should I make a separate entry in there? VISUAL=vim? [23:59] its a simple shell script you can manage it [23:59] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-70-18-158-131.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] if you want to make it global in all shells, yes [00:00] --- Sat Jan 9 2010