[00:00] (isnt driver circus par for linux?) [00:00] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:00] Nope. [00:01] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.25) left irc: Quit: ? [00:02] artaud (~artaud@189.115.167.119) joined ##slackware. [00:02] artaud_ (~artaud@189.115.167.119) joined ##slackware. [00:02] artaud (~artaud@189.115.167.119) left irc: Client Quit [00:02] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [00:02] artaud_ (~artaud@189.115.167.119) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:02] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [00:03] thanks and good nite [00:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:03] gem_cat (~GEM@207-119-11-229.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Vanishes with a small pop [00:05] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:08] raha (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:11] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:12] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:16] I was looking at the guruplug: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx [00:16] why does it need 2 ethernet ports? [00:18] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] "need" is the wrong Englush word [00:21] English even [00:21] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.28) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:22] It can be used as, for example, a firewall appliance. [00:22] razzzat (~ragz@166.188.66.206) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:23] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.60) joined ##slackware. [00:24] and it will, once the fucker gets here. [00:25] why is the kde-qt branch taken over the mainline qt? [00:26] Because mainline QT is a bunch of... nevermind. [00:26] rworkman: Thoughts on mtr being so dependent on graphical libs this time around? [00:28] JJJunkk (spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [00:29] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] mancha: it's smaller, and kde-devel team tests with that branch [00:33] jkwood: I didn't know it was [00:35] ah wasnt able to compare size readily, -current has a txz and nokia has a tgz - i figured compression differences [00:36] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] Gripes about using libgtk and a number of other libs in 13.0, so Linode is removing it from the upcoming images. [00:37] how competent are the kde folks? cause i am usually hesitant to go with out of tree branches that are yet to be mainlined... [00:37] jeev: strike when someone walks away... I knew I should've listened when your mom said not to trust you :( [00:38] mancha: Pretty competent. [00:38] rworkman: pm for a sec? [00:39] I get this error while trying to install packages with sbopkg:Checking GPG for wgetpaste.tar.gz ... FAILED! [00:39] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:39] seems like the signature doesn't work out [00:39] eviljames: sure [00:40] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:40] i don't know how sbopkg works, but presumably it is dl'ing a .sig file (detached gpg sig) for the tarball and verifying and it is not working. [00:41] chendy (~chatzilla@119.123.51.215) joined ##slackware. [00:43] I get the some error for each package I want to install with sbopkg. [00:43] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:44] oh do you have gpg installed? [00:44] ls /var/log/packages/gnupg* [00:45] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [00:45] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:46] /var/log/packages/gnupg2-2.0.12-i486-1 [00:47] ok, i have no idea. you prolly need to add the sbo pubkey to your keychain [00:47] did you read the sbopkg docs? [00:47] no [00:49] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:57] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace [00:58] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:58] aigoo, i just realized you only gnugpg2....why not gnupg (v1) ? [00:58] sbopkg might be using the "gpg" command not "gpg2" [01:09] o_o wow, new laptop still going after 5 hours [01:10] fhobia, ? [01:10] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:11] mancha: What should I do then. [01:12] Delahunt: seeing how long my new laptop's battery lasts [01:12] oh, 4 hours, not 5 yet 53% [01:14] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.48.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] mancha: What should I do then? [01:18] fhobia, netbook? [01:20] i think its almost a netbook it has core 2 duo 1.3 ghz culv [01:20] asus ul30a [01:20] how many cell battery pack? [01:21] i think 6 [01:22] oh, 8 cell [01:22] 4400mAh it says [01:23] i get like 4 on my netbook (atom n270, 4 cell i think) [01:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [01:23] but i could always get the 8 cell and get like 8 hours out of it [01:24] oh ok, nothing really incredible then :3 [01:24] though the weight is already heavily towards the battery side as is [01:24] did you tune your system for power savings? [01:24] yeah, i used powertop and tried to follow the tips [01:25] yeah powertop is good stuff [01:25] it seems to show the laptop slowing down to 800 mhz and in C6 state [01:25] i haven't done anything else though [01:25] me, i made my custom acpi_handler.sh to implement their tips when on battery power, and to revert to stock settings when on ac power [01:25] oh, i c [01:26] mechanical hard drive? [01:26] yeah [01:26] hdparm -B 1 < --- highest power savings setting [01:26] hmm ok [01:26] so hdparm -B 1 /dev/sda or whatever when on battery, hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda or whatever when not [01:27] ah ok, i see it in the man page [01:27] makes quite a difference you think ? [01:27] i'm sure it does since its mechanical part [01:28] i think it does [01:29] but you need to try to get stuff to not write to disk [01:29] some ideas are using iotop to figure out what is being written and why [01:29] ah to prevent it from spinning up [01:29] ok, i see [01:29] some stuff can be made into tmpfs (ramdisk) [01:29] gotcha [01:29] one easy default is to make /tmp tmpfs (maybe at the tune of 10% of your RAM or less depending on your needs) [01:30] oh, cool [01:31] all i have is SBo packages in /tmp :P and some firefox junk [01:31] you sort of have to experiment and watch [01:31] ok [01:32] aigoo, do you have "gpg", use "which gpg". [01:32] oh, did you disable access times, Delahunt ? [01:32] me personally, i also add commit=1800 or so to /etc/fstab (this essentially means it should commit all changes to disk at 30 minute intervals) [01:32] if not, install the gnupg package, the v1 one, not v2 [01:32] yean, i do /etc/fstab "noatime" [01:32] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.48.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:32] ok [01:32] the difficult/dangerous thing though is caching heavily to RAM [01:33] when you have noatime ? [01:33] some stuff that you don't want or care about (tmp space stuff like /tmp, ~/tmp, etc) can stay in RAM [01:33] oh ok [01:33] so you got to be careful [01:33] you may forget, for example, and reboot, to find /tmp empty lol [01:34] :3 ok [01:34] is akonadi working on -current? [01:34] can't think of anything i would keep in /tmp that is important so thats good [01:35] awesome, thats 4 more improvements i can try [01:35] i think you have to (for /tmp) do mode=4777 but i forget (hold on let me check) [01:35] thanks, Delahunt [01:36] http://wiki.geteasypeasy.com/How_to:_Reduce_Disk_Writes_to_Prolong_the_Life_of_your_Flash_Drive [01:37] tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 [01:37] with tmpfs specify the size [01:37] i.e. size=128m (128MB) or whatever you want [01:37] it works in percentage of RAM too like size=10% [01:37] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [01:38] ah, i see [01:38] eviljames, pff. when you're here or not, i'll talk smack f00| [01:38] isn't there a way to turn line-in mic to headphone jack? [01:38] they move log files to RAM as well ;] [01:39] watch out for putting /var/log in RAM [01:39] i wouldn't do that, personally [01:39] overflow ? [01:40] oh, useless junk [01:40] if you had to shut down your system and people ask "what caused X to freeze" you're going to be like "uh, i dunno, i lost my logs" [01:40] haha [01:41] good nite [01:41] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:43] maybe unionfs could be used to keep active files in ram (tmpfs) but then put them back upon unmount, but it's only a guess, i'm not going to play with that just for the sake of a couple more minutes battery life [01:43] if it takes longer to implement than it gives you in extra battery life, it's probably not good [01:43] yeah [01:45] so as such, i see really only hdparm, the stuff in powertop, and a few of the other per-program mods as being useful [01:45] the rest isn't worth the time [01:45] gotcha [01:45] as for solid state, it's a mixed bag right now [01:46] most my power savings in practice comes from screen brightness and CPU clock speed [01:46] seems like you need to know what you are doing to get the most out of it [01:46] i've been playing with it for a few months [01:46] plus still too $$$ i think [01:46] 500 gb vs 80 gb ssd...nah i thought [01:46] yeah if you want battery life and have the money you can definitely do it [01:46] yeah [01:47] i.e. you'd be buying a laptop with an ULV processor [01:47] some of those laptops are like $2-3k [01:47] o_o [01:48] yeah plus then obviously you'd buy a bigger battery [01:48] as for the solid state, i don't know if it's truly worth it yet [01:48] Action: Delahunt is waiting for Tom's Hardware to say it is lol [01:49] yeah [01:49] i'll know its time when everybody is doing it :P [01:49] what you're not on SSD yet ??? [01:49] lol [01:49] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:49] i have an eee 900a with an ssd, yes [01:49] but my core2 is not ssd [01:49] :) [01:50] the cool thing about the eee 900a is that the screen brightness function has got to be bios/hardware based because it works at any time from the keyboard [01:50] i.e. it's not software-based like other laptops [01:50] oh, yeah, same here for my asus ul30a [01:50] on my sony, with all the suspend to RAM sessions, eventually something stops working and the function keys stop responding to control brightness (it's mapped in xfce keyboard shortcuts) [01:50] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:50] which is annoying but oh well [01:51] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:51] if you really had to get a netbook with ssd, price is no option, and wanted ssd removable and fast as heck, i'd say the sony's [01:51] :) [01:51] their memory stick pro duo is a faster card type than the SD card [01:51] (mine is not an SD card type) [01:51] i mean, me personally, i'd prefer a touchpad, but those sony's are very nice [01:52] but also very expensive [01:52] no touchpad ? [01:52] yeah, sony is always expensive it seems [01:53] but worth it imho [01:53] chendy (~chatzilla@119.123.51.215) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [01:53] sort of like mac: if you can stick with sony and their memory stick pro duo, i.e. with your computer, camera, accessories, it will work out good for you [01:53] ah, i c [01:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] i'm just bitter from my ps3 melting ha ha ha [01:54] lol [01:54] its going to take me a while before i can move on :) [01:54] i accidentally dropped my vaio laptop out of a moving vehicle and it still works [01:55] (except the cd drive died but i needed a usb optical drive for my 900a) [01:55] :3 [01:56] you know, i'm really tempted to get a via C7 netbook just for the heck of it [01:56] just to have something not by intel or AMD [01:56] do you think you will learn a lot from using via ? [01:57] well, just for the heck of it i guess :) [01:57] yeah just for the heck of it [01:57] if my core 2 duo dies though, i'm definitely getting another sony laptop, refurbished [01:57] fhobia: nothing that can be cured with sufficient quanities of gin ;) [01:57] & tonic [01:58] BP{k}: :) [01:58] refurbished scares me [01:58] why? [01:58] thats how i got the ps3 lol [01:58] well, i got it from ebay [01:58] my eee was refurbished, $170 is a @#$ing awesome deal [01:58] zhoun (~guo@218.82.103.134) joined ##slackware. [01:58] i don't think it was ever opened up though [01:58] Delahunt: s/tonic/vermouth and olives/ [01:58] yeah, thats true, you can get some amazing deals [01:58] BP{k}, should try that [01:58] mwave.com [01:58] Delahunt: look up "martini" :P [01:58] they're selling a 160gb hard drive atom processor netbook for $200 today [01:58] BP{k}, ah lol [01:59] insane deal [01:59] i'm tempted to sell my core 2 duo for $200 and get that one lol [01:59] (but typing on a sub-14" laptop i find painful) [01:59] really for an atom ? [01:59] yeah, i don't compile much software at all, just kernels [01:59] there are no ugly women, just too little gin... [01:59] rworkman and alienBOB have all my software needs (except bibletime and freeciv) met [02:00] :) [02:00] if you have enough netbooks, compiling isn't an issue: use distcc [02:00] mancha: :) [02:00] hehehe [02:00] the battery life imho is worth it [02:01] but to take the place of my main laptop it would have to have 250GB hard drive at least [02:01] :> [02:01] i have 140G of /home that i absolutely need, and my needs are increasing, not decreasing [02:01] yeah, music and stuff huh ? [02:02] plus if it comes with another OS i usually resize the other OS (after removing scrapeware and defragging) to have 50% space free [02:02] yeah music, in FLAC [02:02] i keep the other OS just in the rare case it's needed [02:02] which was/is good when the wife wants to play a video game with me or something [02:03] it takes a LOT of love for me to use something other than Linux ;) [02:03] oh, yeah, FLAC is a disk space eater o_o [02:03] :D [02:05] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:05] hiya [02:05] but i love FLAC though [02:06] on my netbook i used ogg (a copy of everything on the main machine) though [02:06] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [02:09] and my pictures are all scaled to the netbooks' max res [02:09] so it's sort of like a "mini-me" [02:11] my laptop had a 20gb hard drive, so i had to convert from flac to ogg :/ [02:11] i can't really tell the diff between flac and ogg so [02:11] i'm not the best listener [02:11] hehe [02:12] but now i have 500 gb ;] [02:12] Action: Delahunt shrugs [02:12] i use flac because i'm basically archiving my music [02:12] i made the choice to use lossless with music and lossy with pictures [02:12] so flac for music, jpg for pictures [02:12] gotcha [02:12] my wife is an artist so hers is the opposite: lossy music, lossless pictures [02:12] mp3 and png for her [02:13] ah, not psd? :) [02:14] well yeah that too [02:15] I get this error while trying to compile packages: Searching for symbolic links /sbin/makepkg: line 196: mktemp: command not found [02:15] The-Croupier (Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [02:15] What could be the problem? [02:15] it looks like you are missing mktemp, aigoo [02:16] you didn't do a full install? [02:16] fhobia: no, I did not. [02:16] why not? [02:16] we have to figure out which package mktemp is in and install it aigoo [02:16] then that error will probably go away [02:16] ok [02:18] ok, i did "grep -H mktemp /var/log/packages/**" [02:18] first result is bin-11.1-i486-1 [02:18] that sounds pretty important... [02:18] you didn't install that!? ha ha [02:19] I will install bin to see what's happings. [02:19] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.108) joined ##slackware. [02:21] let me see what category bin is in... [02:22] hey aigoo, its in a [02:22] I get this error too while trying to compile cmus: this is the link:http://dpaste.com/192101/ [02:22] you really should install all of a [02:22] and probably all of d [02:23] fhobia: Could you look at this links:http://dpaste.com/192101/ [02:23] i don't see any error on that page [02:23] but do you understand what i'm saying about the a category of packages [02:23] thats like the essentials for your system [02:24] oh, i see a bunch of nos is that what you mean ? [02:24] fhobia: yes, I understand. [02:24] you probably don't have a lot of the dev tools installed [02:24] which are in the d category of packages [02:25] i guess some people really don't like to install more than they need so they selectively pick stuff [02:25] but i have a pretty big hard drive so i just install all the packages [02:25] its probably all under 5 gb though [02:25] so these days most people shouldn't be picking and choosing unless they have some real tight constraints [02:25] I've installed some packages from d/ series but not al. [02:25] I've installed some packages from d/ series but not all. [02:26] gotcha [02:26] cause like i've compiled cmus before on slackware and it was fine [02:27] I don't know which packages to install from /d to compile cmus. [02:28] i don't know either, aigoo [02:28] i just have them all :P [02:28] maybe someone else can help you find those specific packages [02:28] Robby Workman's repository - http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [02:28] AlienBOB's repository - http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [02:29] oh yeah, you can probably get a compiled version from those sites, aigoo [02:29] Action: Delahunt has those on xchat user list buttons lol quick draw! peew peew! lol [02:29] rofl [02:31] I get this kind of msg:Make sure your CC and CFLAGS are sane [02:32] pew pew! [02:32] aigoo: if you don't know, then you install all of them. [02:33] pew pew! [02:36] this is the links of one my config.log file http://dpaste.com/192102/ [02:36] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:37] WallRat007 (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:38] That's nice. When you've installed all of the packages from A, D, and L at least, and have reproduced the error, let us know. [02:38] Alternatively, you can do your own trial and error tests and call this a learning experience. [02:39] you could play with MANIFEST.bz2 and find where all your libs are that you need but that is not very fun [02:39] i.e. try to compile, "i need libfoo18.so", bzgrep libfoo18.so MANIFEST.bz2, etc etc etc [02:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-241.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [02:45] jdetring (~jay@70.234.189.83) joined ##slackware. [02:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:47] it's works. I've only installed mpfr-2.3.1-i486-1. [02:48] nice :) [02:48] fhobia: thank you for your help! [02:49] np, you helped yourself out :) [02:52] fredoslack (~fredoslac@80.10.46.52) joined ##slackware. [02:54] fredoslack (fredoslac@80.10.46.52) left ##slackware. 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[03:15] (so in 13.1, it should be good) [03:15] (when 13.1 is released) [03:15] wow, awesome [03:15] i may have to get a tablet :3 gave my grapphire 3 to the parents [03:15] I need to stop buying toys. [03:16] Those damn cheap arm devices are going to break me. [03:16] you got another sheevaplug or something ? [03:16] haha [03:16] There's a GuruPlug waiting to ship - it's been charged to my card for almost a month now :/ [03:17] :| not amazon-level shipping service i see [03:17] The SheevaPlug is currently doing a superb job at firewall duty, but I want the GuruPlug because it has gigabit ethernet as opposed to only 10/100 [03:17] how about getting a ...wacom tablet? ;) [03:17] next-month delivery free for orders over $20 [03:17] rworkman:I thought I was running 13.0, does that mean I just need to grin and wait? [03:17] (and it has two GigE ports0 [03:17] and wifi [03:17] jrodger: probably; that's the easiest route [03:17] XGizzmo: is that for sure? I wasn't sure about that part - even better :) [03:18] jrodger: tell us when you get it working...i think i'll get a tablet if you succeed ;] [03:18] and bluetooth :) [03:18] very cool [03:18] like with all the pressure sensitity and hotplugging and stuff [03:18] fhobia: that's actually on my list of stuff to get sooner or later [03:18] i would be shocked if that all worked o_o [03:18] rworkman: As far as I understand it has it all. [03:18] rworkman: cool :3 [03:19] XGizzmo: very nice; here's hoping, even if I won't use all of it :) [03:19] I have lights on the tablet but nomovement from the mouse:(( [03:19] jrodger: you can probably build xf86-input-wacom yourself; the source tarball is in the -current tree [03:20] chenfengyuan (~user@122.228.131.68) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [03:21] thanks rworkman, has anyone tried the slackbuild build? [03:21] can't wait for one window gimp soon too [03:22] jrodger: I have :) [03:22] probably on his sheevaplug [03:22] !? [03:22] nah, no point in that [03:22] rworkman: did it work? [03:22] If you'll cd into slackware-current/source/x/x11/ and do ./x11.SlackBuild driver xf86-input-wacom it should work [03:23] (work=build a package) [03:23] /var/log/packages/apcupsd-3.14.8-arm-1_rlw /var/log/packages/sshfs-fuse-2.2-i486-1_rlw [03:23] chenfengyuan (~user@122.228.131.68) joined ##slackware. [03:23] I know those two things work on the plug, along with verizon 3g cards :) [03:24] I bet that thing can run for hours on that cheap ups. [03:24] dinnertime, see you all later [03:24] later [03:27] I bet it could. [03:29] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:29] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.30.33) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [03:32] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable. [03:32] fuck it, gitorious keeps bombing out on my kde-qt dl at about 85% in [03:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.86.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:32] i'm going with nokia, at least they have a non-braindead server than supports resume [03:33] latemus (~m@c-24-10-210-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:33] s/than/that [03:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.112.252) joined ##slackware. [03:35] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-241.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:36] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:38] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. 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[03:59] wine* [03:59] Nancy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-199.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:59] Nick change: Nancy -> Guest43464 [03:59] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-178.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:00] Nick change: Guest43464 -> tuvok302 [04:00] Sajmon: try ~/.wine something [04:02] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:03] thank you I found it now. [04:03] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.149) joined ##slackware. [04:03] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.171) joined ##slackware. [04:05] die google, die! [04:06] ? [04:07] I'm having troubles connecting with the router's DHCP, getting NAKs, maybe it only happens with the latest dhcpcd, ifconfig+route+resolv.conf works without problem [04:07] fhobia: the new layout [04:07] oh, yeah, how do you remove the sidebar ? [04:07] greasemonkey time huh ? [04:08] probably bye-google time actually [04:08] oh, what are you going to use ? [04:08] fhobia, http://lifehacker.com/5533297/disable-googles-new-sidebar-from-your-search-results [04:09] sweet, instead of google, we can use fire|bird [04:09] lol [04:09] haha [04:09] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:10] fhobia: pi/2 euros in canadian dollars [04:11] 404 [04:11] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.69) joined ##slackware. [04:11] 500 [04:11] Sajmon (500@ej131.netikka.fi) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:11] you crashed? :o [04:11] 8) [04:12] adrien, he's still in beta testing, a few bugs. [04:12] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:14] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:15] I just figured out that you have to install ConsoleKit in order to get Xfce running. Why would I need PolicyKit? [04:16] because that's a dependency? [04:16] adrien: Eh, I mean what functionality would I miss without it? [04:18] damn, i really did crash there [04:18] screen ftw though! [04:19] lol [04:19] thats the policayyy [04:20] it um looks like to be some finer grained permission control [04:21] anyone know http://www.hdfury.com/ ? [04:21] don't worry, i'm sure it will be phased out soon, Mel-nix :3 [04:21] ha ha ha [04:21] adrien: No. [04:21] says it's an HDCP decipher [04:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [04:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:22] what does this do? [04:22] lol [04:22] its 2:00 am for me [04:22] i can't read anymore [04:22] err [04:22] ah whatever [04:22] lol [04:22] "HDfury rox the HD scene" [04:22] i'm sold [04:22] Mel-nix: not sure but afaik, it's used for privileged operations, if you do everything that requires root rights in console (install fonts e.g.), then you don't need it [04:23] adrien: All right. Thanks. [04:23] I *MUST* try hdfury, I have to know if it works [04:24] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.149) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:24] how much is it? buy it ? [04:26] my main problem is that I've always stayed clear of the HDCP crap [04:26] so I have nothing to test it with ;-) [04:27] :) [04:27] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.30.33) left ##slackware. [04:28] from 100 to 300 USD [04:29] but if it's effective in getting rid of the "protection", that has huge implications [04:30] hmm [04:31] WildWizard (michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:64b8:d05b:1aec:55c4) left ##slackware. [04:31] i see so if i try to play some hdcp content the tv would not show it [04:31] but with this hd fury connected i could potentially watch it [04:31] pc -> hd fury -> tv [04:32] oh ok, reading the faq here [04:33] uh oh, 4% battery finally [04:34] it has hdmi inputs with non-hdmi outputs [04:34] "An HDCP stripper box is placed between your playback device (e.g. HD-DVD or Blu-ray player, etc) and your non-HDCP compliant display. It then behaves in a similar manner to a secure device. In order to achieve this, HDCP strippers use the same HDCP chips built into high definition displays." [04:34] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:38] nice [04:39] ...ok,i have 0% battery [04:39] something is going to give soon [04:39] ##spiderman [04:39] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [04:40] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [04:41] =) [04:42] yay it says 30 seconds left [04:44] me hugs fhobia [04:44] how, he's dead ='( [04:44] lol [04:44] its at 0 now [04:45] guess its not calibrated right [04:45] :-P [04:45] yeah, usually it's a bit off near the end [04:49] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [04:49] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:51] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIyNw <- good, I finally know what gtk+3 is supposed to bring... [04:53] I get this error while compiling mplayer:[libvo/libvo.a] Error 2 [04:56] and? [04:59] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-110.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:00] hi ## [05:00] hi [05:00] is it possible to align some text in screen's caption to the left and some to the right? [05:02] look at the Movement keys section in the man page [05:03] man screen then type /Movement [05:05] oobe: I don't see what it has to do with caption string [05:05] Let me imagebin it [05:06] I want to make a script that uses tar to achive some files. I have set HOME=/home/me and then tar -cvzf /media/backup/archive --exclude=$HOME/Excluded-files $HOME and it won't exclude anything [05:07] latemus (~m@c-24-10-210-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:08] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-157-28.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Azeotrope: my guess, it works like --exclude=dir not --exclude=filelist [05:09] jailbox: that is a dir [05:10] Does anyone in wich series can I find linux-headers? [05:10] http://imagebin.org/96085 [05:10] Azalyn: --exclude-from instead of --exclude when you have a list of files to exclude [05:11] rachael: thanks [05:11] Say, align hostname and windowlist to the left and Load+time to the right side [05:11] does it work work for dirs too? [05:11] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:12] Azeotrope: it works for files and directorys if you have them in that file that lists what to exclude [05:12] Tmux can do that. But i could figure out if screen can [05:12] s/could/can't [05:13] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:14] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:16] i've found the error: HOME=/home/me/ and tar --exclude=$HOME/dir [05:19] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:21] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-110.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:21] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [05:22] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [05:23] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [05:27] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:d185:398a:8351:196) joined ##slackware. [05:29] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [05:29] <_slax0r_> Hi, is there a possibility that something goes wrong if I update slack 13.0 with packages in -current, all of them, except aaa-*? [05:29] <_slax0r_> and kernel, because I'm using a custom compiled one [05:31] there's always something that can go wrong =) [05:32] even if you don't do anything :P [05:32] <_slax0r_> not on slack :P [05:32] aigoo: a/ iirc [05:33] (or d/ ?) [05:33] _slax0r_: which kernel do you currently have? [05:34] and why not use slackpkg for upgrades? [05:34] <_slax0r_> 2.6.31.13 [05:34] aigoo, if you mean the kernel headers you want d [05:35] <_slax0r_> adrien, I feel stupid now :( [05:35] <_slax0r_> I didn't know slack had this until nao, I was still doing it the old fashion way [05:36] heh [05:36] <_slax0r_> omg :O [05:36] <_slax0r_> all that time :( [05:36] well old fashion way works anyway [05:37] <_slax0r_> sure it does [05:38] still is it worth updating to current ? [05:38] redha (~redhat017@41.99.74.5) joined ##slackware. [05:39] if you don't update the kernel, I don't think there's anything special to worry about [05:53] how can i write this number without 'e' : 6.5536e+06 ? 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I need to know so I can avoid it [06:06] mm been awhile [06:06] would have though there was a awk oneliner for that , aint :( [06:07] :-) [06:07] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/195890/symantec_study_mischaracterizes_linux_spam.html [06:07] gedit [06:07] and on slackware? [06:07] wtf...why's symantec being a bitch? [06:08] well they have beening selling you a trojan for years that hunted down less bloated virus and trojans [06:08] are they losing business due to linux or summit? [06:08] adrien: kate and krite [06:09] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] aigoo (~jfo@92.84.31.232) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:12] mancha: one explanation would be that many home routeres uses linux, and they have upnp so a infected windwos box could infact open up ports if need to the outside world, a os finger print with nmap or simular might then detect the router and make the whole thing show up as a linux one [06:13] or that the linux router might be the one that has been infcted, has been example of such things in the wild that targeted misconfigured routeres and installed software on them [06:13] yeah, there are many ways the fingerprinting could be skewed....i am just trying to figure out why symantec has an incentive to be a bitch [06:14] the article i posted has a few scenarios like the one you descibed [06:15] well, they are always fearing those systems that gets along without a antivirus product [06:15] ph|ber_ (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [06:15] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:18] my file look ok now, no more spaces, it's utf-8 but the diacritics are all messed up [06:18] Osx is usual also under attack from those firms, trying to get people to buy their product to protect them against none excisting threats, guess symantec are trying to sell their software to the growing numbers of linux uses, they might succes with the ubuntu crowd [06:18] tuvok302 (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-199.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:19] lowkyalur (~low@dslb-088-070-129-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:21] FriedBob_ (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:21] <_slax0r_> Why would it be a bad idea to leave port 25 open to the interwebz? I mean I have it open, but I'm still not an open-relay. [06:22] maybe it's because my locale utf? [06:22] dont think any distribution this days dont lock the MTA down hard to only accept access from their local net, but ofcause if a box is comprimised there [06:23] you need port 25 open if you're a mail server that wants to receive mail [06:23] <_slax0r_> well duh [06:23] <_slax0r_> that's the point of mail server right? [06:24] right, so i don't get your question which to me was the "doh" [06:24] GUI text editors don't really bother about the locale when displaying text [06:24] <_slax0r_> This suggests that one reason there is so much spam from Linux could be that many companies that have implemented their own mail servers, and are using open source software to keep down costs, have not realized that leaving port 25 open to the internet also leaves them open to abuse." [06:24] seems like the answer is: if you need a mailserver you have it open if you don't you have it closed. not rocket science, knowdamean? [06:24] well, they shouldn't [06:24] <_slax0r_> from here my question arose :P [06:24] need to turn your irony detector higher, me thinks [06:25] open relays are probably still a problem [06:26] <_slax0r_> they are, but open port 25 doesn't mean an open-relay [06:26] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit. [06:26] mindbendr (~neveragai@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) got netsplit. [06:26] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) got netsplit. [06:26] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) got netsplit. [06:26] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) got netsplit. [06:26] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) got netsplit. [06:26] sadsfae (~sadsfae@funcamp.net) got netsplit. [06:26] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got netsplit. [06:26] zounds (~zounds@80.85.119.158) got netsplit. [06:26] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. 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[07:21] digitaloktay (~arch@unaffiliated/digitaloktay) got lost in the net-split. [07:21] directory is for storage, folder is for storage named to a real world object to make it easy to visualize its use [07:21] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [07:21] digitaloktay (~arch@unaffiliated/digitaloktay) joined ##slackware. [07:21] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [07:21] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-211-243.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:21] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] stunix (1000@85.19.183.98) joined ##slackware. [07:21] asdfjkl (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:21] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [07:21] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [07:21] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:23] which is what Azeotrope was asking [07:25] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [07:25] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [07:26] ma097 (~chatzilla@host238-227-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:26] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:27] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:29] it is impossible to know without context, it is the same as 'I can close this door without touch it with my hand' I suppose [07:29] same as spirit and ghost... [07:31] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:34] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.245) joined ##slackware. [07:36] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:37] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:39] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-110.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Have anyone read this? http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-March/132191.html [07:39] I wonder if himself will be brave enough to enable it in the upcoming 13.1?! :P [07:41] I DO NOT want to see that by default, it's horrible, it's painful to some people [07:42] some will find it looks better, others will have their eyes bleed because of how the fonts look [07:43] maybe that the majority of people find that it looks better but if it's trading off usability for looks, the choice should be pretty easy to make [07:43] Axius (~fd@109.97.54.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:43] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:d185:398a:8351:196) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:43] (sorry, but it really really hurts my eyes and makes me cry) [07:45] adrien: Trade usability? Don't make my socks laugh %) When fonts look FUGLY! as they do in most linuxes except Ubuntu and there's a way to improve it... what is that tradeoff we are talking abut? [07:46] I think he meant focus [07:47] and I am quite sure of that [07:47] so that's why slackware is uglier than ubuntu [07:47] tsccof: I think he doesn't know wat he's talking about! :P [07:47] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:48] john_dee: lol! [07:48] Azeotrope: Not Slackware, font rendering in Slackware.. [07:48] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:48] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:51] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:52] I haven't had issues with font rendering on Slackware in ages :S Maybe I'm just not demanding enough.. [07:52] chenfengyuan (~user@122.228.131.68) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:53] only I can make Slackware pretty or ugly, Slackware only give me freedom for make my system ugly or pretty [07:53] true, most people who take a look at my desktop get amazed by the look of it [07:53] and they run Windows Vista/Seven mostly [07:54] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:54] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:54] most people looking at my desktop totally freak out because of my console-like theme for kde [07:54] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:55] I run XFCE, I like how things can be beautiful without becoming a trip to Disney with all those fancy effects [07:55] most people go: "wtf" when they only see some terminals in a tiling wm [07:56] chenfengyuan (~user@122.228.131.68) joined ##slackware. [07:56] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:ed77:a562:6f8f:4c31) joined ##slackware. [07:56] + my keyboard at work is a das keyboard ultimate without any signs on it (completely black) and I use a trackball instead of a mouse, I don't have to worry about people using using/abusing my computer :P [07:56] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [07:57] I have a blacked out keyboard as well [07:57] nice :) [07:57] I love these! [07:57] but I use a standard moue [07:57] love the way the das keyboard types [07:57] mouse* [07:58] I have never used one [07:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:58] but I took a lot at the pictures [07:58] look* [07:58] has anyone here tried Arch? [07:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:58] yes [07:59] surrounder: what do you think of it? [07:59] nice, too bleeding edge for me though; don't like to tinker with my system as much as I used to [07:59] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:00] yes [08:00] tsccof: can I see a screenshot of your desktop, please? [08:00] tsccof i am using arch [08:00] I am running arch as well, hence the question [08:01] tsccof: have you tried Slackware? what do you think of it? [08:02] shak0: I prefer Slackware. Arch is great, but I still feel it is not home [08:02] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:02] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:02] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Nothing is home, when you're not in rome [08:03] sahk0: Arch is a more practical system for managing software, but Slack's DIY way actually works a lot better [08:04] using pacman ^^ [08:04] das keyboard? [08:05] sahk0: I have had some small issues with Arch, nothing serious, but it would never had happened if I had done it myself [08:05] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:06] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:06] sahk0: on the other hand, Arch Linux is the second distribution I like the most, Slackware being the first one, if you have not given Arch a shot, you should try doing it [08:07] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Slackware is a tank [08:08] pacman is the thing i like the least about arch nowadays tbh. if it used pkgtools, even a modified version of it, id use it. [08:09] I like pacman [08:09] I like it better than yum or apt or zypper [08:09] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] I have never had a good experience with openSuSE [08:09] Debian feels old [08:10] or pisi [08:10] well, we could go on talking for a day about distros [08:10] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:10] is ok [08:10] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:10] I am considering trying Gentoo [08:10] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:11] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:11] tsccof: poor fellow [08:11] is a good option but the times of compilation are hard.... my only election today is Slackware Gentoo an Debian [08:11] but the idea of spending so many hours installing it kills me [08:12] john_dee: these fonts are blurry and make my eyes cry, I *really* cry, I can't look at them [08:12] so yeah, it's definitely giving up usability [08:12] one istallation for the life [08:12] currently my fonts are perfectly readable [08:12] tsccof: try crux if you want a nice, sane sourcebased distro [08:12] and actualy, quite often, some people say their fonts look blurry, turns out they don't really like such hinting [08:13] surrounder: thanks for the hint, I heard good things about CRUX [08:13] pprkut: it's definitely a matter of taste (or for me, more than taste) [08:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:14] whenever I try any other distribution, I end up going back to Slackware [08:14] does anyone else feel the same? [08:14] or experiences the same? [08:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:15] I onli like test LFS, [08:15] years with Slack and Gentoo [08:15] sorry only [08:15] oscillator: which one do you like the most? [08:16] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-250-60-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Slackware I grow with Slackware [08:17] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:18] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.89.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:20] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.245) left irc: Quit: must go [08:22] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:22] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:22] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [08:25] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:25] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. 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[08:38] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:40] just dropping by to say that http://alec.mooo.com/mpx.php giude for two cursors in X works :) [08:41] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:42] I use the "system monitor - network" applet on the panel, when I hold mouse over, the pop-up just says Network and has not statistics like before... I'm on KDE 4.4.3 slackware64-current [08:42] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:42] redha (~redhat017@41.99.74.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [08:43] this network monitor looks different now too... it is just lines.. it used to be colored areas under the graph... it just looks pretty, but it has no real informatino now [08:43] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:45] in KDE 3.5, the network monitor could show me numbers, which I liked [08:46] system load viewer always shows my cpus running at full 2666 MHZ speed... but it used to show the cpu clock changing to as low as 1200MHZ... what happened? I guess I made some change to my kernel [08:48] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:48] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:50] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: [08:51] Niccke (~Nick0@ip-117-198-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:08] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:08] trf (1000@shiva.norgrind.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [09:08] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:08] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:08] pupit, i only wanna make one homepage and put files to download, only that, ubuntu one will do it , now i only need make the page :) [09:09] and how is that slackware related? [09:10] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:11] pupit: you have MPX in slackware? with xorg-server-1.7? [09:11] sorry i wanna know if have one slackware one, just like have ubuntu one, and if i could use the ubuntu program to access ubuntu one in the slackware [09:12] adrien: yes :) [09:12] my english not very good, dont know if u understand me [09:12] oh, I thought it was only with server-1.8 that it had been introduced [09:12] and thanks for the link ;-) [09:13] adrien: np [09:13] I have to go at a friend, I'll think I'll make her mad with that ^^ [09:13] (plus I have some interest in MPX for something else) [09:16] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:16] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:18] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:31] oscillator: you can use two mice for doing things simultniously [09:32] great for tablets etc. list is endless like an imagination [09:33] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:ed77:a562:6f8f:4c31) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:33] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:34] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:35] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:36] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:37] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) joined ##slackware. [09:37] heheh: AT&T paying for DSL lines that were actually slower than promised: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AT-T-dsl-lawsuit-settlement-att,10369.html [09:38] can someone give this link to nix_chix0r when she joins? 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[10:08] since if i don't I will use gNewSense, but i don't like it very much... [10:08] which packages offend you in slackware ? [10:09] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:09] the problem is that, the kernel forexample isn't the free one [10:10] and i know that i can compilate one but i don't want to do it... [10:10] there is no single free kernel [10:10] if you don't want the firmwares, just rm them from /lib/firmware [10:11] auska: there is no non-free kernel. you may be talking about the firmware that gets uploaded into other hardware (like wireless driver firmware) - but the linux kernel is the linux kernel - all in one [10:12] also, the definition of free varies so check that yours matches the one of others' [10:13] especially, the lack of comments/docs/... seems to be considered non-free by debian, I can say I don't always comment properly my code [10:14] the gNewSense kernel is a free one. What they do is take the linux kernel and remove every source they found which wasn't absolutely free, and if somethink wasn't clear why it was there they removed it to [10:14] D3lahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:15] and for example the firefox, isn't free because it doesn't have the GNU-GPL licence,it's open source, but not free. Then i don't want it... [10:16] maybe you should get a hobby instead [10:16] MPL is free [10:16] :> [10:16] straterra lol there is some guy with a "modern warfare 2 server mod" i was playing wondering why i have a gold deagle, was jumping with no gravity.. but it sucked [10:16] the problem is the name "firefox" which is trademarked [10:17] what 'problem' ? [10:18] adrien! thrice! die! [10:18] aha... but i mean that i want a distro like gNewSense on Ututo but similar to slackware... [10:18] like, losing sleep at night, knowing firefox is installed to the HD, or? :> [10:18] do you have a ps3 jeev ? I'll pwn you at mw2 [10:18] thrice`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project [10:18] someone, i don't remever who, told me that it exits but i don't know the name of the distro [10:18] no idea [10:19] the thing with slackware is that if you're not happy with something, you can change it yourself [10:19] adrien, I know that it is trademarked, but I'm wondering what the actual problem you have with it is, since I don't understand people who think this way :> [10:19] auska: theres dragora, but isnt based on slackware anymore afaik [10:19] here, removing firmwares is easy and not compiling in the code you don't like is easy too [10:19] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] tocki (~Miranda@cable-89-216-161-97.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [10:19] and kongoni is dead [10:19] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [10:19] slack geeks should have their vote on nmap future, methinks: http://nmap.org/survey/ [10:19] thrice`: my problem with firefox is that it sucks, but that's unrelated to its name ;-) [10:20] so *I* have no problem with the name [10:20] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-110.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:20] sahk0, if isn't like slackware is not a problem... the think is that i want one like slack or arch [10:20] which could let me learn a lot... but free [10:21] i get along perfectly with firefox [10:21] no ff - no problems :) [10:21] working on _my_ browser ,o [10:22] s/,o/;p/ [10:23] sahk0, Dragora it's Dragora a KISS distro? [10:23] auska: dont ask, havent tried anything other than Slackware [10:23] read their resources [10:25] oqs... sorry it my question had annoyed you... [10:25] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:26] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.183.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [10:27] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [10:28] its not annoying me. im just not willing to waste my time answering to you. search yourself. you obviously own a computer [10:29] Ask sahk0 for his phone number, and call collect [10:30] thrice`, no.. ps3's are gay [10:30] i have a PC [10:31] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:31] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:33] Candinho_ (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [10:33] auska: and btw ask in #fsf . they ll help you better, "free" distros are their gama [10:33] game* [10:33] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:34] jeev, seriously? what a noob ;( [10:34] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:35] thrice`, who plays first person shooters on console [10:35] who plays console ? [10:35] how many nukes have you had so far [10:35] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [10:35] people intelligent enough to realize PC gaming died years ago [10:36] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:36] pc gaming died because of assholes like infinity ward [10:36] but it's not dead [10:36] pc gaming will never die [10:37] that's because you can always earn additional lives :) [10:37] your mom lets you poor her hard earned money into new hardware every year? that's rude [10:37] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [10:39] bah thrice`, i need an upgrade [10:39] i've had this stupid core i7 940 for over a year now. [10:40] hoobop, how ? cheating ? [10:40] also, 'hard eanred,' get it? [10:40] snowdonkey (bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [10:40] yea whatever, i get a hard one -- screw your mother and earn my money. so ? [10:41] thrice`, ;) [10:42] tocki (~Miranda@cable-89-216-161-97.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [10:43] see? i'm not a liar, it's true and he's crying now.. his mother text me and said to stop messing with Caidence, his boyfriend just broke up with him and he's depressed [10:44] haha [10:45] no but seriously, friends dont let friends play on consoles [10:48] meh, for the cost of a video card alone, my ps3 will last 4-5 years and run games top-notch [10:51] so what [10:51] you've gotta look around by moving your thumb in circles, turd\ [10:54] snowdonkey (~bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [10:54] lowkyalur (~low@dslb-088-070-129-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: zzzzt - gone [10:55] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. 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[11:11] brainvision (~brainvisi@host31-9-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [11:11] two completely different files [11:11] brainvision (~brainvisi@host31-9-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:12] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Quit: BBIAB [11:12] indeed, i was looking at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/how-will-i-change-computer-name-after-install-457423/ [11:13] someone suggests that changing /etc/hosts is also neccesary [11:14] post 8 [11:14] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.108) joined ##slackware. [11:14] pim_: all you have to do is look in /etc for your hostname [11:14] eg on mine [11:14] root@wizbit:/etc# grep -ri wizbit . [11:14] Channel flood from MoZes -- kicking [11:14] ./HOSTNAME:wizbit.armedslack.org [11:14] ./mail/sendmail.cf:##### built by root@wizbit on Thu Apr 22 18:05:06 BST 2010 [11:14] MoZes kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:15] MoZes (3355@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] and also the ssh keys - but you don't need to re-do those. [11:15] then do "hostname " and login again [11:15] pim_ your hostname is in /etc/HOSTNAME [11:16] alright, i think it has been set up correctly now [11:16] the /etc/hosts file is used for name resolution using the "files" directive [11:16] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [11:16] auska (~auska@83.57.8.113) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:16] so you might wish to change that so your machine knows the new hostname is "local" [11:19] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-109-033.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [11:19] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. 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Likely possible for mplayer [12:58] if you are on kde you might wanna take a look at kamoso, on gnome I think it is cheese [12:59] i have openbox [12:59] mostly shell [13:00] i will check that option with mplayer ... [13:00] i didnt know i could do that with mplayer, but sounds really cool [13:03] camera is just a V4L source so mplayer should handle it [13:03] not sure how thoug [13:05] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.25.139) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Action: SmartOne was taken tablets and now oky and fine to join the channel again. [13:07] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Silly question maybe, but... Are "byte-compiled" python program architecture dependent? IOW: If I have a foo.pyc on Slackware 32-bits, will it work on Slackware64 or do I need to recompile? [13:10] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:10] niels_horn: not sure about ARCH dependent, but will be lib{,64} dependent if in the traditional PYTHONPATH [13:10] I sometimes just delete *.pyc files from a python package [13:11] neonflux: OK... I have this little python script written by a friend and can't find the sources :) Maybe I'll simply try to run the .pyc file on Slackware64 [13:12] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:13] niels_horn: you could try opening up the *.pyc file in a python interpreter (command line) and see what happens [13:14] eycel (~eycel@67-61-15-122.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] neonflux: I'll try that... Thanks :) [13:14] if you get an import error then that will probably give you your answer [13:14] yeah... I'm not much of a python expert at all.... [13:16] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [13:16] me neither, just got done taking an "Intro. to Python" course [13:16] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:16] cool neonflux :) [13:16] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:17] i'm a pydev too (right now doing a tool to download and make the packages from slackbuilds) [13:17] it's uncomfortable to open the browser, search the package, download the slackbuild .... [13:17] I just have the basic "How to survive with python" knowledge :) [13:18] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-72-86-6-205.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [13:20] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:24] barryt (~barry@212.183.140.20) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] niels_horn: That's simple.. don't let it coil around you. Once it does, you're done. [13:25] FriedBob: hehe... :) [13:25] x-ip: g'mornin - you're the same x-ip of SBo? [13:26] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:30] fallertsen (~Franz@host116-56-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:31] good morning eviljames ... i dont know something called 'SBo', sorry [13:32] x-ip: slackbuilds.org [13:32] hei everyone [13:33] I've a problem with the latest -current version and cryptsetup [13:33] does anyone of you use it? [13:33] update to the latest -current then [13:33] eviljames: I'm in -current :-) [13:33] New updates pushed maybe 2 days ago - slackware 13.1BETA1 - if you look in the changelog there are comments about cryptsetup [13:33] Action: eviljames <- doesn't use crypted lvm [13:33] but from what i read there was an issue with where the binary ended up or some such thing [13:34] I've an issue with ext3 instead [13:34] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [13:34] fallertsen: well, dont keep me waiting, boy! ask! :P [13:34] ok [13:34] t0yt0y (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/t0yt0y) joined ##slackware. [13:34] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [13:34] t0yt0y kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [13:34] if I put the right password [13:34] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [13:34] then I've to mount the partition [13:34] and I got an error [13:35] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on[...] [13:35] [...]In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so [13:35] ouch. pastebin the whole output perhaps? mount -v as well [13:35] ok [13:35] also the dmesg output [13:36] sure, last 10 lines or so [13:36] depends on how much output is there [13:37] http://pastebin.com/NTx5D4mD [13:37] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] I've tried with a 13.0 stable and everything works great [13:38] o yes eviljames [13:38] Nick change: qenomeD -> xchg [13:39] x-ip: pm for a sec? [13:40] yes [13:41] fallertsen: The exact same device works under 13.0? [13:41] yes [13:41] oscillator (~oscillato@136.Red-79-154-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:43] fallertsen: and you're using crypttab? [13:43] Action: eviljames is furiously googling [13:43] hahaha [13:43] fallertsen: I don't use encrypted lvm, so I'm not very useful for this specific issue [13:44] I've asked here for everyone :-) [13:44] thanks anyway [13:44] So, is that a yes or a no to crypttab? [13:44] you're doing this manually with cryptsetup? [13:44] yes [13:44] losetup /dev/loop0 /root/gen/jose.fs [13:44] cryptsetup create jose /dev/loop0 [13:45] mount -v /dev/mapper/jose /mnt/floppy [13:45] I've always used those commands [13:45] neonflux_ (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) joined ##slackware. [13:45] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:46] fallertsen: Can you try mount -t ext2 ? [13:46] why ext2? [13:46] I ran across a forum post that wants to link the issue with a corrupt journal [13:47] same issue [13:47] EXT2-fs (dm-0): error: ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 0 not in group (block 3535497663)! [13:47] EXT2-fs (dm-0): group descriptors corrupted [13:47] ah [13:47] yeah [13:47] mounted read-only? [13:47] k, it didn't make much sense, but I figured if it worked we'd have made progress.. [13:47] adrien: you use LUKS/LVM don't you, mon grenouille? [13:48] adrien: same issue [13:48] eviljames: the fs is not corrupted, because it works perfectly on 13.0 [13:48] fallertsen: agreed. [13:49] fallertsen: dumpe3fs | grep -i superblock [13:49] err, sorry that was a copy/paste gone wrong [13:50] eviljames: nope, I don't [13:51] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.223) joined ##slackware. [13:51] adrien: ca me faire chiez [13:51] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:51] piccardTE20 (~j@143.Red-88-25-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] eviljames: "chier", it's infinitive [13:51] merde [13:51] heheh [13:52] lol adrien [13:53] eviljames: ;-) [13:54] the block number looks a bit high, looks like it's almost 32bits [13:54] but just a wild guess [13:56] adrien: so it's a cryptsetup bug? [13:56] adrien: http://imgur.com/XsBZU [13:56] tusk: http://imgur.com/XsBZU you too, I think [13:57] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.223) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:57] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.223) joined ##slackware. [13:58] eviljames: no X currently [13:58] eviljames: yeah i guess that works only in french [13:58] :) [13:58] upgrading this computer, to kde 4.4 among others ;-) [13:58] adrien: try i3 [13:58] adrien: ugh, I have to go and update from 4.4.3-alien1 to 4.4.3-official :P [13:58] i3? [13:58] oh, not my computer [13:58] adrien: save that link somewhere, you'll appreciate it later. [13:58] http://i3.zekjur.net/ [13:58] btw, what is the use for polkit-gnome? [13:58] eviljames: I'll wget it [13:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] eviljames: btw, will it shock the girl I'm at? (only friend) [13:59] oh no [13:59] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:59] She'll probably laugh her ass off. [13:59] k ;-) [14:00] rah nothing to worry [14:00] nah* [14:01] upgrade won't take too long now [14:03] Action: tusk has fallen in love with his i3 setup [14:03] why i3 instead of i5 or i7? [14:03] $ [14:03] ? [14:04] Any suggestions of good console font? [14:05] eviljames: I'd say i3 is not a cpu... more a software ;-) [14:05] eviljames: i3 as the WM not processor [14:05] still have a good old Q9550 inside here [14:06] oh hah [14:06] still far better than i3 [14:06] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.1.154) joined ##slackware. [14:06] That explains my confusion [14:06] ^^ [14:07] Any suggestion for a good console font? [14:08] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.17) joined ##slackware. [14:08] no idea =) [14:08] Axius_: fixed, terminus or xft:Bitstream Vera Sans mono [14:08] :) [14:09] eviljames: tusk | http://i3.zekjur.net/ [14:09] oh, bah [14:09] I'm stupid, I thought you meant linux console... [14:09] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@89.214.230.48) joined ##slackware. [14:09] I use DejaVuSansMono [14:09] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:09] which is not that great for console fonts actually [14:09] which should look like bitstream vera (should be a bit better actually) [14:09] tusk: why? [14:10] na vera is way better imho [14:10] I want a font for cli. [14:10] adrien: i used dejavu for a long time [14:10] slackfan (~slackfan@unixboard/users/slackfan) joined ##slackware. [14:10] and bit vera is far better for prolongated use [14:12] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:12] piccardTE20 (~j@143.Red-88-25-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:12] what's the difference? [14:12] I thought they were meant to look alike [14:12] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] adrien: i dunno [14:13] people who are font nerds know the diff. [14:13] this is just what i feel after 8 straight hours working on a term [14:14] you're probably right [14:14] and i swear i'm not a nerd [14:14] I can't really tell teh difference between most sans fonts, but I work with a font nerd and he says he can. [14:14] It's amazing how subtle the differences are, and that they actually _do_ have an effect [14:15] but fixed fonts in i3 + dzen2 works pretty well [14:16] damn i wonder why i didn't use a tiling WM before [14:16] will have to check [14:16] but DejaVuSansMono\ 6 has been pretty nice for me [14:16] 6 ? [14:17] damn man [14:17] how old are you? [14:17] because in 5years you'll have to wear big glasses which will makes you look like a nerd [14:17] that's gonna happen [14:18] adrien: Do you have microscope built into your eyes? [14:18] j0z (~j0z@201.22.33.235.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:18] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.1.154) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:19] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.154) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Action: eviljames wears those glasses :( [14:19] john_dee: he gonna end blind [14:19] sorry eviljames [14:19] actually it's because adrien is poor and can only afford a 13" CRT [14:19] LOL [14:20] john_dee: absolutely no problem with this size [14:20] tusk: Ya. That's very harsh for one's eyes %\ [14:20] actually, at the ocaml hacking day, I noticed almost everybody had pretty small fonts [14:20] maybe not as small as mines but around 8 [14:20] problem 1) small fonts, problem 2) ocaml [14:20] that's because you start bein blind [14:20] adrien: If you're using sniper scope with your computer, then yes :P [14:20] toss in some regex and you've got a trifecta of awful [14:21] eviljames: I have my laptop's 15" and another 22" screen ;-) [14:21] and eviljames is right [14:21] eviljames: hahaha [14:21] ocaml isn't a reference [14:21] :D [14:22] hahaha, you'll see when vlc starts using an ocaml program for setting up the build environment for windows builds=) [14:22] adrien: 22' with 1024*768 resolution neither [14:22] 1920x1080 [14:22] and I'm 22, I wear glasses but it's not evolving anymore [14:22] who cares about VLC? [14:22] also, I need the screen space [14:22] tusk: millions of people? [14:22] alienBOB cares about vlc. [14:23] yeah windows ppl [14:23] oooops sorry [14:23] :D [14:23] Any suggestion for a tutorial about how to install a new console font on slackware? [14:24] nope [14:25] Axius: in X or not? because if not in X it's quite easy afaik [14:26] adrien: I do not have X installed. [14:26] i'd though it's easier on X [14:27] If you're in X, you can use a terminal emulator and do it just fine. [14:27] Saying it would be harder in X is silly. [14:28] It won't be any easier, though, since this is an operation for the terminal. [14:28] Axius, dl the font and use setfont [14:28] the font has to be a "console font" thought [14:28] *though [14:29] i.e. psf [14:29] errr [14:29] why does slackpkg insists on using files in /var/cache/packages? [14:29] I mean, i don't have a / big enough for that [14:30] mancha: What font do you suggest to dl? [14:30] Axius, i am not suggesting you change fonts! :) [14:30] adrien: fortunately you can make a filesystem just for /var! [14:30] adrien, because you didn't change it [14:30] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [14:30] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [14:30] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:30] it's configurable of course - don't blame slackpkg [14:31] :> [14:31] hahah thrice` with the easier answer [14:31] this is what you have to pick from default: /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts [14:31] eviljames: actuall the disk is too small, it's a netbook: 8GB [14:31] thrice`: what should I look for? [14:31] thrice`: and I'm not blaming slackpkg, only wondering ;-) [14:32] adrien: get out a screwdriver, you know what to do [14:32] Axius.. [14:32] adrien, most configuration files live in /etc . [14:32] adrien, (hint, /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf ) [14:32] Axius I hope this link ould help you: http://is.gd/c0neA [14:33] could* [14:33] adrien, also, cat /var/log/packages/slackpkg* to see which files it put on your system - that should also point to a good idea of where to look for these things [14:33] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] thrice`: btw, do you know I used to have another nick? ;-) [14:33] Axius, best smallest font (even for terminal) are Terminus, cure and lime.. imho! [14:34] brainvision: seriously terminus doesn't get me in [14:34] brainvision: thank u for the suggestion. I will take a look. [14:34] everyone raves about terminus, i hate it. [14:34] adrien, sorry, how would I know that? :p [14:34] LOL [14:35] yeah everyone like terminus [14:35] I use much of all cure.. [14:35] i don't [14:35] thrice`: ok, I was wondering because you seemed to take me for a _complete_ noob ;p [14:35] terminus in my terminal is very cool [14:35] and what font do you use, so?? [14:35] *cough* [14:35] adrien: you _are_ a complete noob [14:36] we all know it now [14:36] brainvision: Do you use it in cli? [14:36] thrice`: I mean, I know configs are in /etc, /etc/slackp ... ;-) [14:36] adrien: Not even able to edit a simple text file in /etc. I bet you use emacs! [14:36] Action: adrien hugs eviljames [14:36] eviljames, you just knew it now? ;) [14:36] Action: eviljames gives adrien a little tap on the butt [14:36] Axius: what are you talking about of? terminus font?? [14:37] eviljames: my vim-fu is maybe stronger than yours ;-) [14:37] thrice`: Camarade_Tux btw [14:38] brainvision: I talked about terminus-font [14:38] yes I use it ion the terminalo! [14:39] terminal* [14:39] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [14:39] j0z (~j0z@201.47.22.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:40] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:41] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:41] brainvision: How is the font loaded at boot time? [14:44] Axius: did you read the how-to of the link I gave to you? [14:44] thrice`: you meant the value for TEMP in slackpkg.conf? [14:44] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:44] once you did everything the font is automatically loaded like others! [14:45] it's not necessary to do something else.. [14:45] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-150.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:45] "# Downloaded files will be in directory below:" [14:45] sounds good [14:45] brainvision: ok [14:46] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.23.130) joined ##slackware. [14:46] thrice`: because it doesn't seem to correspond to the problem I had unless I ran out of space [14:46] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [14:46] which I don't think I did [14:47] well, your response was "why is slackpkg downloading things to /var", and I showed you why :> [14:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:49] demonbell (frost@82.119.85.253) joined ##slackware. [14:49] thrice`: well, right ;-) [14:51] my problem is that it complains about the files in the cache/ being corrupt, and I think it was set not to download all files... [14:51] (will check after the current run is done) [14:51] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad2758.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:52] medum (kevin@d67-193-176-255.home3.cgocable.net) left ##slackware. 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[14:58] neonflux_ (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:59] it takes longer to compile qt than it did for the marines to secure bagdhad [14:59] just to be sure [15:01] sloin: I think TRIM support is planned for > 2.6.33.xx [15:02] sloin: /is/was/ [15:03] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:04] what ? omg, i thought it could be supported already [15:04] it spoiled 2 hours of internet shopping to put my new server together [15:04] sloin: there are some workaround's/hacks but they only work for specific types of SSD's [15:06] sloin: do check further, because I only talk from memory... an article I read a week ago.. :-\ [15:06] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.23.130) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:06] ok, thank you [15:07] sloin: I believe T'so was working on the TRIM part.. [15:07] cool [15:07] it's supported [15:07] You can add 'discard' to the options of the mount point in /etc/fstab. In Linux trim = discard. Here is my fstab entry for an ssd: [15:07] /dev/sda2 /home ext4 defaults,noatime,discard,errors=remount-ro 0 2 [15:07] mancha: that's because you compile qt on way less cores than the marines had soldiers ;) [15:08] in slackware64 current [15:08] sloin: Good to know [15:09] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [15:09] pprkut, ooh-rah! [15:10] sloin: discard is the option to "discard" filesystem journaling... [15:10] hech, I'm just reading it [15:10] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/sackware64-current-and-ext4-and-ssd-795003/ [15:10] the guy is crazy [15:11] sloin: I don't think it means TRIM exactly.. [15:11] if ext4 can do it then it's implemented in the ATA(?) block layer? [15:12] idon't think trim support made it into the kernel until 2.6.33 which is not the default slack 13 kernel [15:12] Nick change: sloin -> sloinn [15:13] sloin: The article I read was in the paper version of "Linux Magazine" from this month. It specifically covered SSD's [15:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:14] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [15:15] SmartOne_ (~chatzilla@112.135.21.26) joined ##slackware. [15:16] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:17] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645213.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:18] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.25.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:18] hmm.. there isn't a separate package for alsa driver? [15:18] Nick change: SmartOne_ -> SmartOne [15:19] echelon: the drivers in the kernel you mean? [15:19] echelon: alsa drivers are part of the kernel. [15:20] So they would be in the kernel-modules package. [15:20] well what if i want to upgrade just the alsa driver [15:20] without upgrading the kernel [15:20] slackware-11.0 used to have alsa-driver package separate [15:20] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Download the alsa-driver source package from the alsa website. [15:21] And then compile it. [15:21] I'm not sure how that compares to the version in the kernel, though. [15:22] What's an easy way to debug sendmail? [15:22] The only way I'm able to debug is via MAILER-DAEMON errors [15:22] and those take half an hour to arrive.... [15:23] Oh. There's a maillog [15:23] where is libstreamanalyser? :o [15:23] redtricycle: The only way to debug sendmail is to ditch it... [15:23] adrien: strigi [15:23] redtricycle: really... it is a to debug. [15:24] pprkut: ah, ok, thanks [15:24] had seen it but thought is wasn't that one [15:24] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:24] frankd (1003@cpe-24-161-9-57.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:25] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [15:25] redtricycle: do take a look at mailer daemons such as postfix or exim.... much easier to configure and debug [15:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad2758.async.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:26] lurk (~lurk@unaffiliated/lurk) joined ##slackware. [15:26] redtricycle: question. What are you using sendmail for? homeserver? [15:26] yes [15:26] just to send myself cron messages... [15:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] the default config isn't working to allow my user to send mail [15:27] because i get errors in my hosts file [15:27] "host name lookup failure" [15:27] redtricycle: are you directly connected to the internet, or via a internal lan? [15:27] lurk (lurk@unaffiliated/lurk) left ##slackware. [15:28] May 8 12:27:52 skidboot sendmail[5737]: My unqualified host name (localhost) unknown; sleeping for retry [15:29] I'm just mailing my own user [15:29] just to see if it works [15:29] from root, "mail redtricycle" [15:29] from redtricycle "mail redtricycle" [15:29] redtricycle: ok. you have an incorrect config. As you guessed. [15:30] redtricycle: Wait a couple of minutes. I'll try to unearth some old documentation. [15:30] well, I'm using the default config [15:30] it might be my hosts file [15:31] JJJunkk (spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:31] redtricycle: nope. its your hostname [15:31] i see [15:31] grep 127.0.0.1 /etc/hosts [15:32] 127.0.0.1 localhost [15:32] 127.0.0.1 skidboot [15:32] OK, it works now [15:32] it fails 'localhost', then uses the "short name" [15:32] and then sends to 127.0.0.1 [15:33] try to make that first line: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost [15:33] localhost.skidboot localhost, then? [15:33] JJJunkk (spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] um, as i wrote it! [15:34] okies [15:34] "try A"; "you mean B?" [15:34] "no I mean A"; "oh ok, just making sure" [15:34] :) [15:34] that's exactly why =) [15:35] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y expired. [15:35] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:35] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:2c30:503a:429c:99e2) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:36] localhost worked at first, but localhost.localdomain localhost doesn't [15:37] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:2c30:503a:429c:99e2) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Well, I found my old sendmail docs, and now I remember why I hated it [15:38] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645213.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:38] oky a stupidest question what is the difference between a host and a domain? [15:38] same thing. [15:38] domain is set of working computers. [15:38] shal [15:38] should I need to explain more? [15:39] a workgroup is a complete example. [15:39] anyone enabled the plasma netbook ui in kde? [15:39] old slackbuild still good.. http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-11.0/source/l/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.SlackBuild [15:39] just needed some minor tweaking :) [15:39] This can be two computers one is in Sri Lanka and another one is from United States (completely other side of the world). But connected with a Secure Socket Turnnel [15:40] belongs to a one workgroup [15:42] redtricycle: what does your /etc/resolv.conf say? [15:42] # Generated by dhcpcd for interface eth1 [15:42] search gateway.2wire.net [15:42] nameserver 172.16.0.1 [15:43] Channel flood from redtricycle -- kicking [15:43] Ohh..... [15:43] redtricycle kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:43] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [15:43] I think i'll install postfix [15:43] I want to use gmail to send my mails anyway [15:43] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.154) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:43] redtricycle: you don't have to install postfix to use gmail. [15:43] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.154) joined ##slackware. [15:44] but it'd be easier to configure, right? [15:44] in default gmail doesn't support POP3 and IMAP protocols , you have to go to your mail settings page and enable those. [15:44] redtricycle: you could use a dumb null mailer like ssmtp [15:44] hm [15:45] but can I mail both my local users (for cron) and external users with gmail? [15:45] why not use a smart nullmailer ? [15:45] redtricycle: Errr.. no [15:46] adaptr: because smart is dumb [15:46] and dumb is the new smart! [15:47] so ssmtp would let me get my cron mail, along with sending extnerla mail? [15:47] no.. cron would use ssmtp to send its mail to an external server [15:48] redtricycle: Only if you "relay" it via your provider, and fetch the mail with fetchmail or something like it. [15:48] OK...alternatively, I can just have cron send all my mail to my gmail acct [15:48] right? [15:48] no [15:48] redtricycle: right. [15:48] plasma netbook UI is ... disturbing [15:49] haha [15:49] a default sendmail install will work red, what did you do to it? [15:49] redtricycle: you can send mail via ssl to gmail [15:49] itr8r (~x@lolwat.shitpisstub.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] ya gmail supports [15:50] mancha, i left it default [15:50] i think my hosts file is just odd... [15:50] all you need is a proper /etc/hosts file and that's it [15:50] 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost $otherhosts [15:50] adrien: check that image then? [15:51] or maybe just 127.0.0.1 localhost $otherhosts [15:51] mancha: how do you force name lookups to use hosts file first and then dns? [15:51] mancha: That worked! [15:51] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] I have multiple 127.0.0.1 [15:51] had* [15:51] but I put them all on one line [15:51] MarderIII: check /etc/nsswitch.conf [15:51] MarderIII it depends on what, some things will only use dns (eg nslookup) [15:51] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:51] nsswitch alloows you to specify files before dns though [15:51] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] thanks. I had forgotten [15:52] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:52] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] so for example "hosts: files dns" will use/etc/hosts before ndslookup, etc. [15:53] sorry for all the typos, handheld w/ mini kb here :( [15:53] no problem. clear enough [15:54] redtricycle excellent. [15:54] eviljames: right, gimme a second [15:54] So by default, sendmail should be able to SEND to gmail, right? it'll just be put into the spam folders normally, correct? [15:55] eviljames: how can I open an image stored in ~ when using kde? [15:55] I mean, kde is hard to use xD [15:55] I'll simply DISPLAY:=0 gpicview ~/foo [15:55] redtricycle: Check with your provider if they allow direct mailing from your ip adress, of if you have to relay through their machines. [15:56] redtricycle: My provider doesn't allow direct mailing, so I use a nullmailer [15:56] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:57] redtricycle: /of/if/ [15:58] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:58] ok, thanks mancha and MarderIII [15:58] I'll check it out when I get back [15:58] gotta run [16:00] angelgen (~angelgen@190.42.74.253) joined ##slackware. [16:00] angelgen (angelgen@190.42.74.253) left ##slackware. [16:01] Publicity (~sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] eviljames: teton county ^^ [16:01] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-225-223.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Publicity (sjoerd_nl@cpe-173-173-56-39.stx.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [16:02] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.44.56) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:02] adrien: yessir! [16:03] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.59.144) joined ##slackware. [16:03] adrien: I have a bigger one, it's either the church or city hall, can't remember. [16:03] eviljames: checked out how the girls at school looked? /o\ [16:03] dunno where the photo of the teton old folks home is atm :P [16:04] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:05] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:06] :P [16:06] and sad news: I'll have to downgrade to kernel 2.6.29 and broadcom's wl driver [16:07] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:07] :(, i got my broadcom wl driver to work with 2.6.33 [16:08] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [16:09] komentarze_listy (~nuke@189-46-80-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:10] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.154) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:13] john_dee (~id@93-81-2-110.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:14] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-115.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[16:36] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Disconnected by services [16:36] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [16:37] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424039.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:38] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:39] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] yoyoned (~todd@c-76-125-118-53.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:44] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [16:44] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [16:44] 2hi everyone. Did anyone try to use the new -K option available for the mkinitrd script in order to unlock a luks root partition at boot with a keyfile on a usb key? [16:45] this is available just in cuyrrent [16:45] current [16:46] not with a usb key, but luks/lvm works np [16:46] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@89.214.230.48) left irc: Quit: Saindo [16:46] yep i have it wrking too [16:46] in the recent updates in current, the mkinitrd now have a -K option [16:47] with that option, you can unlock your root partition with a keyfile on a usb key [16:47] which means u don't have to type your password anymore for unlocking the luks partition [16:48] so far i havent succedded in using that -K option [16:48] was wondering if someone got it to work? [16:49] Action: slava_dp suspects alienBOB has it working since he was the one to implement it [16:49] :) [16:49] yep but i cant get a hold on him [16:51] he's usually here during the day in europe. [16:53] ok. i'll try later then [16:53] thanx guys [16:55] dunix (dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:01] what's the kernel parameter to enable kernel-mode setting on slackware 13.0 ? [17:01] (yeah, googling is annoying for me right now) [17:02] depends on the chipset [17:02] intel, sorry, thought I had written it [17:02] radeon.modeset=1 or intel.modeset=1 [17:02] thanks [17:02] D'oh. [17:02] Wait. [17:02] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [17:02] i915.modeset=1 [17:03] IIRC. [17:03] googled for i915.modeset and it seems to be it [17:03] answer soon anyway [17:04] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-150.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] intel modeset is on by default in 13.1 [17:04] (it has to be, because xf86-video-intel depends on it) [17:04] pim_ (pim12@stud172240.mobiel.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:07] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] yu, i915.modeset=1 [17:07] thrice`: yeah, that's why I need to enable it... [17:08] this broadcom chip doesn't work with the driver in >= 2.6.32 kernels so I have to use 2.6.29.6 + broadcom's wl.ko [17:08] less than ideal [17:08] ah, ok [17:09] and something is preventing X from starting [17:09] if KMS is not enabled, X won't start with the intel driver [17:09] first, had conflicts with i2c-core and i2c-algo-bits apparently being also built-in the kernel... [17:09] now, kms is enabled but X fails to set it up properly [17:09] What's the log file say? [17:09] paste a log [17:11] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:11] http://pers.yaxm.org/temp/Xorg.0.log [17:11] in a second [17:12] your KMS is not enabled [17:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:12] in the kernel? [17:12] considering the resolution in the console, it definitely is [17:12] (EE) intel(0): Kernel modesetting setup failed [17:12] failed, but it's there [17:12] lol [17:12] I was getting another error before I enabled it [17:13] paste your lilo.conf then [17:13] vga=normal if that's what you're wondering [17:13] actually, lsmod | grep drm ? [17:14] shows drm and agpgart (which depends on drm) [17:14] no 'drm_kms_helper' ? [17:14] wait [17:15] dmesg says it didn't recognize the i915.modeset=1 parameter but I'm definitely getting a native resolution (the screen has a weird ratio) [17:16] and it's a module and I had the resolution change, so it was definitely noticeable, dunno what's happening [17:17] ok, the x.org log indiciates it's not setup properly, so that's about all I can wager; if you think it is, *shrug* [17:18] it even changed the screen luminosity actually [17:18] adrien: Are you booting to runlevel 4? [17:19] no, 3 [17:20] 4 would be horrible ;p [17:20] dmesg will give that error because the kernel doesn't understand that option. Only the i915 kernel module does. So the message from the kernel is, theoretically, harmless. [17:20] Is the i915 module getting loaded during the system boot up? [17:20] Or is it only getting loaded when X starts? [17:21] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:21] rebooting now, so I'll check but I believe it is loaded during boot [17:21] modinfo i915 might show its options [17:21] the new video-intel might not work with the old intel kms in 2.6.29.6 [17:21] I know that with radeon, libdrm has to be compiled to support KMS or things break in X. [17:21] THat might be the case with intel as well. [17:22] basically, I have slackware 13.1 beta but with an older kernel [17:22] if he's using -current, it's taken care of [17:22] Correct, but I don't know if he's using -current :-) [17:22] -current, with the 13.0 kernel [17:22] I take that back. [17:22] Ewww. [17:23] is he using -voltage? [17:23] yeah, ewwww [17:23] :P [17:23] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [17:23] bah [17:23] The kernel module is likely to be backwards compatible with older libdrms, but I can't say if newer libdrms are backwards compatible with older kernels. [17:23] Nick change: usus12jari -> Guest18024 [17:23] Anyway, I have to go. [17:23] brainvision (~brainvisi@host31-9-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:24] I'd like to be able to take the xorg-server from current from last december [17:24] I'd start by checking 'dmesg | grep drm' for any obvious errors. [17:24] x-serve rhas nothing to do with it, it's the -intel driver that requires KMS [17:24] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.59.144) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:24] and the -intel driver from 13.0 won't work (don't try it), since the ABI will be different from the server [17:25] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:27] thrice`: I'd use the X part of current from december, both server and driver [17:27] oh, wait [17:28] I had an old thing in rc.local that modprobed i915 and drm [17:28] I had used these to (remotely) debug a problem where some symbols were both in modules and built-in the kernel [17:28] (i2c-core and i2c-algo-bit(s) as mentionned earlier) [17:28] try an '/etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf' with "options i915 modeset=1" [17:29] icarus_ (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. 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[17:40] heh, there was something obviously wrong so I was fixing that first [17:41] no, the point was that the module would get loaded with the parameters while you were booting [17:41] having a modprobe line in rc.local is harmless [17:41] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:41] yeah, I'm rebooting again now [17:42] actually it quite fucked up the display during the boot, I got no output for some time [17:42] I wouldn't know, since 'let me see your lilo.conf' was ignored too. really, good luck [17:43] awww, someone igored it. tsk. [17:44] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.58.21) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:44] night everyone o/ [17:44] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [17:44] goodnight and say hello to azeotrope, slava_dp ;) [17:44] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-72-86-6-205.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [17:44] eh? he ain't here [17:44] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.248.50.133) joined ##slackware. [17:44] but he loves it. [17:44] he's in romania and that's pretty far [17:45] (you gotta trust me on this one) [17:45] ~800 km [17:45] thats not even half an ash cloud [17:46] i don't follow the cloud, i'm too far east :) [17:47] well, pers.yaxm.org/temp/lilo.conf, you won't find anything very interesting however, and booting in vmlinuz3 which is 2.6.29.6-smp [17:47] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:48] Evenin [17:48] evening Zordrak [17:48] any reason slackpkg should be ignoring blacklist entries it didnt ignore prior to upgrading from march current to beta1? 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[17:59] ok, my problem definitely looks like something wrong in the kernel/driver, wrong combination (there's a marc.info message mentionning disappearing the /dev entry I need) [17:59] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:59] anyway, gotta leave, I'll finish that tomorrow [18:01] bah.. guess i picked a bad time to play with ths [18:02] so I'll most probably go back to 13.0 and work from that [18:02] =/ [18:02] bbl [18:02] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:02] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:2c30:503a:429c:99e2) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:03] nick4 (~fffeop@77.49.107.194.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:09] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. 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[20:29] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [20:31] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:32] slackboy: I agree. [20:35] anyone familiar with kde4+hibernate? pm-hibernate works fine, but asking KDE to do it just locks the screeb [20:35] *screen [20:35] asdfjkl (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:39] Pumpkins1979 (~asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [20:39] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:41] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:43] frank (~deepdaemo@190.227.152.245) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Hello. I got a problem: The only sound I hear from my pc is the one at boot time and shuting down. the only 2 aplications where sound worked right was Amarok and Gxine (right after execute by firs time the configuration wizard) that was the las time _I've heard multimedia sound, web sound doesn't work. I've tried by running the wizard again but nothing happens. Also I installed alsa-driver alsa-lib alsa-utils alsa-oss, then ran alsaconf and error m [20:50] essage says: No supported PnP or PCI card found. and there's no legacy ISA "thing" to my sound card [20:51] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.21.26) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:56] any suggestion about from where should I start that I mean no RFM! [20:59] Hire someone? [20:59] asdfjkl (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:02] frank: Well it's pretty clear that if you are getting sound when you boot up and shutdown, Slackware is detecting and using the right driver. [21:02] I'd try those other applications, that aren't working, from a terminal and see if they give any errors related to audio. [21:02] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Also, check alsamixer to make sure nothing is muted. [21:02] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:04] aplay -vv /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup_new.wav [21:04] ^ watch the ascii-art VU meter at the bottom [21:04] and, obviously, listen :) [21:05] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:06] alphageek, nothing sounds but the ascii VU meter moves like if the sounds was working. [21:09] jalalsfs (~jalalsfs@109.200.174.197) joined ##slackware. [21:09] wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh ; sh alsa-info.sh [21:10] upload the result & paste the url here [21:11] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Here is the result [21:13] http://pastebin.com/uD1tph8v [21:14] *blink* [21:15] what? [21:15] I assume the wget failed [21:15] 'less alsa-info.sh' [21:15] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [21:15] #!/bin/bash [21:15] SCRIPT_VERSION=0.4.59 [21:15] CHANGELOG="http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh.changelog" [21:15] ^ first 3 non-blank lines [21:15] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [21:17] more like copy & paste fail, i bet [21:17] I think wget didn't fail when i do less alsa-info.sh no error seen. [21:18] are the first 3 non-blank lines identical to those I pasted above? [21:19] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:19] no the result is this http://pastebin.com/BDuLqtMN [21:19] Pumpkins1979 (~asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: Quit: Saindo [21:19] uppercase O not lowercase o! [21:20] ffs [21:20] LiNuX if CaSe SeNSitIvE [21:20] you can't follow simple directions, so I quit [21:20] s/if/is [21:20] ask in #alsa [21:20] oh what an asshole! [21:20] Don't quit [21:20] Linux gets its feelings hurt easily. [21:20] gospch (~gospch@p5088C0DB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] gospch (~gospch@p5088C0DB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:21] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@shitpisstub.com expired. [21:21] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@shitpisstub.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:21] yes, I'm an asshole. I also have better things to do than waste my time pandering to people that cannot follow CUT AND PASTE DIRECTIONS [21:21] I tought that was a cero look into the man wget and I found -o so i put that. [21:21] I'll do it again [21:21] sory. [21:21] gospch (~gospch@p5088C0DB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] i'm an asshole! [21:21] trh -O is unneeded anyways [21:21] not you xD. [21:21] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:21] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [21:21] was a misunderstood [21:22] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*shitpisstub.com expired. [21:22] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*shitpisstub.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:22] mancha: try it. the output filename gets munged otherwise. weirdness on alsa-project's part, I assume [21:23] yes alpha you're right, shittiness on the server side [21:23] the -O is needed! [21:23] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Now it works [21:23] sh alsa-info.sh worked [21:25] this is the result http://pastebin.com/LiT0b7yj [21:26] looks quite incomplete to me... [21:26] *sigh* [21:26] it should be several hundred lines [21:27] run it again. when it asks to 'upload' or 'save locally', UPLOAD [21:28] I chose Upload then it asks if I want to see what i've upload and that's the result I showed to you. [21:28] now it is [21:29] alphageek (rooot@75-119-230-129.dsl.teksavvy.com) left ##slackware ("frobnicate foo!"). [21:29] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.245) joined ##slackware. [21:29] jalalsfs (jalalsfs@109.200.174.197) left ##slackware. [21:30] Here's the result http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9293758b337994a52088533526521944a020c9ea [21:31] there is already a PCI spundcard installed. So I don't know why alsaconf doen't works [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488E37E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] goj|afk (~goj@p5488FE74.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] you ran alsaconf as root, right? [21:33] i just joined so i don't know what isse you have except i presume non-working sound. [21:33] When i ran alsaconf error was "no supported PnP or PCI card found. And still it is [21:33] i'd just run alsamixer and alsactl store [21:34] Hello. I got a problem: The only sound I hear from my pc is the one at boot time and shuting down. the only 2 aplications where sound worked right was Amarok and Gxine (right after execute by firs time the configuration wizard) that was the las time _I've heard multimedia sound, web sound doesn't work. I've tried by running the wizard again but nothing happens. Also I installed alsa-driver alsa-lib alsa-utils alsa-oss, then ran alsaconf and error m [21:34] essage says: No supported PnP or PCI card found. and there's no legacy ISA "thing" to my sound card [21:34] that's my issue [21:34] goj (~goj@p4FE6AA3C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] Nick change: goj|afk -> goj [21:35] ok, make sure the mixer levels are good (alsamixer), save the config (alsactl store), and add your user to the group: AUDIO [21:35] done. [21:35] audio (in lower case) [21:36] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488E37E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:36] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] i can't believe i screwed up a big compile and erased the source tree before testing my packages...i have to re-do it all [21:36] i never make these sorts of mistakes, must be tired. [21:40] If i listen sound at boot time and when shuting down. Doesn't it means that I'm on group sound?? Anyway i don't what group sound is? I don't have users stored in groups [21:40] aghori (~Addy@78-105-163-91.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:45] groups are deprecated anyway. we should use acl's instead [21:49] can i haz readin comprehension? [21:51] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [21:52] frank why do you have such problems following simple instructions? [21:53] mancha: live and learn. [21:56] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] latemus (~m@c-24-10-210-149.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] aghori (~Addy@78-105-163-91.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:59] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:02] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:04] mancha, I just had problem with tuhe "o" uppercase. The las time i ran sh alsa-info.sh soesn't work this time yeah [22:05] I don't have problems to follow instructions. The mistake was because I have view-loss problems, sory. [22:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:09] fluxbox or openbox? [22:19] blackbox [22:20] gsan_ (~gsan@cpe-66-65-134-160.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:20] gsan_ (~gsan@cpe-66-65-134-160.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:22] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [22:24] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:25] Sounds keeps not working :S [22:31] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:35] T0nD0L (~ngik@202.70.59.180) joined ##slackware. [22:38] dios_mio (dios@88.241.140.140) joined ##slackware. [22:38] good morning all... [22:38] check this... bandwidth graph of a youtube video--> http://j.imagehost.org/view/0589/youtube [22:44] T0nD0L (~ngik@202.70.59.180) left irc: Quit: ... [22:45] T0nD0L (~ngik@202.70.59.180) joined ##slackware. [22:46] T0nD0L (~ngik@202.70.59.180) left irc: Client Quit [22:49] dios_mio, wtf are you running? [22:49] its cool isnt it? :P [22:49] you like it admit it! [22:50] well? [22:50] cool dios_mio [22:50] :D [22:50] I lke the geomtric figures [22:50] yeah [22:50] how did u do that? [22:51] probably a script to mess with youtube [22:51] i didnt do anything.. this is how some videos on youtube sends its data to you [22:51] really? [22:51] yeah [22:51] wow [22:52] it looks like a mathematical function [22:52] what did u u use to get the bandwith graph? [22:52] its called netmeter, but only for users of microsoft :P [22:53] i wanna try one of those youtube vid too :) [22:53] :( too bad [22:53] heh [22:53] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:53] i'm sure there should ne something similar in *nix world [22:54] yeah i bet [22:54] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:54] anyway, looks cool [22:54] yeah i thought so [22:55] have any of you bought the humble indie bundle from wolfire? [22:55] dios_mio, escaflown http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ [22:58] thanx edman [22:58] it's not free, right? [22:58] hiptobecubic: I know for sure at least some people have bought it. [22:58] but I am not among them. [22:58] eviljames, it's "pay what you want" [22:59] eviljames, I bought it, i was just wondering what people thought of the games [22:59] what do u think of the games hipto? [22:59] hiptobecubic: I wouldn't take it for free, and I don't have anything to pay :P [22:59] are they good? [22:59] hiptobecubic: I think the game designers _deserve_ to be compensated for it, they're supposed to be awesome. [22:59] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [23:00] WorldOfGoo is really great [23:00] frank (~deepdaemo@190.227.152.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:00] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] I just started playing Gish, but it's got some crazy controls that take getting used to [23:00] the other three games are 32bit only as far as i can tell, so i haven't tried them out yet [23:01] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:01] ldd them and adapt multilib around that :P [23:01] lol [23:01] that's evil, eviljames [23:01] eviljames, hah. i mean sure. i'm just not thrilled about it :) [23:02] shouldnt be hard hipto [23:03] once u get the 32bit package u need, Eric's converter script should do the trick [23:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. 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[23:34] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:34] or test as a live version? [23:34] yes, no. [23:35] no live version? how do i test it before installing? [23:35] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] i thought every distro has a live version these days [23:35] Xgates: what kind of "user tools" are you looking for. [23:35] robertzaccour: not slackware. [23:35] BP{k}, why not? [23:36] robertzaccour: probably because Pat never saw the need for one. [23:37] oh ok. guess i like to try before installing lol [23:37] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [23:38] try this [23:38] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...."). [23:38] http://www.slax.org/ [23:39] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:39] oh ok. is the gui easy to install and can i include apt-get? [23:40] i would sudjest to install, slackware 13.0 [23:40] apt-get? that's debian. so .. no. [23:40] but you could try that out [23:40] not just debian, apt-get can be used for rpm also [23:40] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-195-60.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] actually pretty much any distro, its just a front ent [23:40] end* [23:40] theres installpkg, sbopkg slapget etc [23:41] slackpkg [23:41] ... what did i just walk into, slaptget is not be mentioned [23:41] robertzaccour: but slackwares `native` package format is neither .deb nor rpm. [23:41] did someone tried to rebuild qt using the SlackBuild? [23:41] robertzaccour (robert@97.81.160.189) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:41] and another happy customer leaves the channel. [23:42] thankfully? [23:42] alisonken1home: indeedy. [23:42] heh [23:42] BP{k}: its your southern charm =) [23:42] ahhahahaah [23:42] he prolly went to a ubuntu channel [23:42] I should install apt-get and rename debs to tgzs. that makes them work, right? [23:43] raela: yah. [23:43] :0 [23:43] lulz [23:46] xsamurai: I would be worried if I had southern charm .. I never lived in the south (regardless of what country) my entire life .. unless the southern comfort counts ;) [23:48] just like renaming a *.tgz.asc to *.tgz makes a slackware package [23:48] Sibulas (~Sibulas@cpe-24-58-66-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:48] alisonken1home: :) [23:48] well, another long night for me [23:48] alisonken1home: exactly the same. see, I learn all of my info from noobfarm :) [23:49] I've got the watch for mother's day - and the saturday swing guy has a dr.'s note to stay home, so I've basically got the server watch from 230 this afternoon till 8am tomorrow morning [23:49] raela, :) [23:51] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [23:54] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:57] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-195-60.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:58] Sibulas (Sibulas@cpe-24-58-66-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:59] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:00] --- Sun May 9 2010