[00:01] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:06] archiebenedict (n=owner@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:07] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.35.6) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:08] that's for sure. When you said the other day "it just get's worse", you were definately right. See the sayed danc3 thing earlier? [00:09] wtf [00:09] what happened? [00:10] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [00:10] oh nothing, just a fail on my part. :P [00:11] so nothing new, then? ;P [00:12] apparently not. :P [00:12] How's it going godling? [00:12] why you little [00:12] what is the difference between Intel's Quad Core and Core 2 Quad processors? [00:12] meh [00:12] I have to write this stupid paper for class [00:13] what fun, what fun eh? :P [00:13] how many pages does it need to be? [00:13] I usually like writing, but this book sucks. [00:13] 2-3 [00:13] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:13] could be worse then. [00:14] double-spaced [00:14] so yeah, it could be [00:14] but this book is so wonky it's like driving nails into my eyes [00:14] double spaced is always a bit easier to fill a couple pages with. [00:14] ouch :P [00:15] fire|bird: http://www.amazon.com/Science-Technology-Society-Sociological-Approach/dp/0631232109/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254975285&sr=8-2 [00:15] that's the book [00:16] gawd, please don't tell me someone's still trying to fake like sociology is a hard science again [00:17] oh, probably not - good [00:17] I think they're just trying to self-validate. ;P [00:17] godling: just the title makes it sound extremely boring. :P [00:18] The book quotes the New Testament and Terry Pratchett in the same chapter. [00:18] ruiwen (n=ruiwen@113.10.74.54) joined ##slackware. [00:18] Hello, does anyone know how I can set a custom path in dcron? [00:18] Some of it's interesting, but the language used is somewhat excessive at times, and the book assumes that the reader is familiar with the work of certain philosophers. [00:19] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:22] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:23] ruiwen: what do you mean? [00:25] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:26] godling: I've noticed that cron resolves the path to the scripts/commands listed in the crontab relative to $HOME for the user. I want to be able to have a crontab entry that just lists the script name, eg. "Test.sh", but "Test.sh" isn't in $HOME, but a few levels deeper. So I was hoping to set $PATH during cron's execution so that it would find "Test.sh", eg. PATH=/path/to/test/:$PATH [00:26] gonzalo_ (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. 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[00:32] Er, I see that rk4n3 has already told you [00:32] ruiwen: there's no way to make the path dynamic - you'll just have to use the full path, but your script then has control of everything else from there [00:32] You can set PATH in your script if needed. [00:32] rk4n3: the reason that i'm hoping to make it dynamic is because i'm hoping to deploy this crontab across multiple machines with different environments.. and box-specific customisation isn't fun [00:33] See the README in /usr/doc/dcron-* [00:33] yep - PATH and all other user environment details [00:34] ruiwen: fourth "paragraph" of the readme [00:34] "Talk about nonsense!" [00:34] ruiwen: ah, that's an interesting point ... instead of having only one thing to change, if you make too many assumptions about the environment, you'd maybe have a whole slew of things to change inside the script ... [00:35] my script's not that complex, luckily =P i just need cron to be able to find it [00:36] well, its about to become a little more complex :) [00:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:36] ... you'll want to set up some of your environment, no doubt [00:36] and as the readme says, you can't rely on external env vars either, you have to set them inside the script [00:37] its all good - I think you'll find in the long run that being more explicit in your script about those details will provide better portability anyway [00:38] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:38] make your script +x and place it in /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} [00:41] agentc0re: have thought of that.. but i do need my scripts to run at specific times unfortunately, so the fixed cron.daily|hourly, etc are somewhat unsuitable [00:41] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:41] thanks all the same rk4n3 rworkman godling and agentc0re.. i'll probably have to go customise a crontab now [00:41] ruiwen: you can also create similar cron jobs like the ones that run what's in the cron.directories. [00:42] soFTWare FTW (especially giFTWare) [00:42] o_O [00:43] agentc0re: you mean like cron.custom? [00:43] or, cron.myscripts? [00:43] godling, why the weird face? did you drink some sour LMAOnade? [00:44] ruiwen: yup. [00:44] ruiwen: i created one for work that is cron.minute [00:44] that way if you have multiple scripts that need to run the same schedule you only need to script it once and place them in that dir with the others. [00:45] TwinReverb: Have you ever been beaten with a rubber hose? [00:45] agentc0re: i would still need to provide the full path to my scripts though, right? [00:45] godling, why? is that satisFYIng? [00:46] anybody want a peanut ? [00:46] omg, this book is lame [00:46] who uses the word glocalization? [00:46] godling, is it awFUl? [00:47] sociologists, that's who [00:47] TwinReverb: I am going to stab you. No joke. [00:47] sociLOLogists aren't very funny [00:47] hey you can't have manslaughter without laughter [00:47] no, but you can have the Internet without TwinReverb [00:47] :P [00:48] TwinReverb: I'm laughing out loud on the inside. [00:48] my friend is taking tylenLOL for his fever [00:48] i'm taking ROFLprofen for my sides (in pain from all the laughter) [00:49] man, I prefer the sociologists... [00:49] Action: TwinReverb can just see godling "ok who gave TwinReverb a webster's dictionary in .txt file?" [00:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@p5DC30216.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [00:51] later [00:51] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." 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[01:10] there not extinct tho are they [01:10] nooper are you an op [01:10] no [01:11] thats still alright have you ever redistributed wifi on linux [01:11] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:11] buffalo are not extinct - they just went through a huge population decline from the over-hunting and caused some concern, but they've bounced back now [01:12] once, 8 years ago. i looked up how to do it on google [01:12] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:13] well im on puppy linux and i found a guide using ifconfig but i dont know if i have that tool [01:13] wasn't there something about gene research that allowed the scientists to bring back the buffalo about 15 years ago? [01:13] dgn20: as root in a console: "ifconfig" - if you see your nic's then you have that tool [01:14] cool i do have it [01:15] now to try the commands [01:18] no they have benn protcted in yellowstone national park [01:22] yeLOLstone national park is a fun place [01:23] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:25] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:27] gonzalo_ (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Client Quit [01:27] dgn20 (n=puppy@cpe-72-184-70-125.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:27] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS9Bvw0L7VE [01:29] |mel| (i=1000@117.255.75.126) joined ##slackware. [01:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:29] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [01:34] mikinanuq (n=mikinanu@71-215-78-65.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:37] `free` says i've used 30mb of swap, but `procinfo' says swap in/out counts are at 0 [01:37] is this possible? [01:38] check cache [01:38] do you know what swap in and out mean? [01:39] mancha: i thought it was a count of the pages swapped in or out [01:39] yes, the # of mem pages that are 'paged' in/out from swap [01:39] alisonken1noc: where? [01:40] well, my 'free' has a "-/+ buffers/cache" line [01:41] and as noted, you should read a little more about "swap in/out" [01:41] alisonken1noc: how is cache related to my question, and i correctly answered mancha's question [01:44] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [01:44] nooper: linux uses unused ram as cache space - there is the posiblity that the swap reported by free is using how much swap is used, but in/out may be reporting how many pages _on disk_ are actually used [01:44] <|mel|> Can I place sharable files such as music in some location say: /usr/share/music, and make it available for all users? [01:44] of course, I could be totally speaking out of my ear on that one as well. it was just a suggestion [01:45] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] ken [01:45] i hear dreamhost randomly cuts people off for usage and stuff [01:45] jeev [01:45] pretty nasty reviews at webhostingtalk [01:45] jeev: not randomly [01:45] /cl [01:45] |mel|: of course you can [01:46] wht isn't known to have members jump on a pro or con bandwagon but it looks bad heh [01:46] hey rk4n3 [01:46] hi :) [01:46] all of the people I've seen that may have been cut off were due to abuse and/or bad scripts after being warned [01:46] i see [01:47] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:48] <|mel|> Yesterday I created a directory named `data' in /usr/share/ and tried to move some data from my $HOME directory to it, but I could not. [01:48] what do you mean [01:48] what was the problem. [01:48] Action: buffer init[1] waves o/ to slackers :) [01:49] oh no [01:49] |mel|: check permissions - /usr/share is typically root [01:49] |mel|: do you have permission to write? [01:49] spectre (n=kyle@pool-173-54-180-207.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:50] |mel|: try to understand FHS http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html before using UNIX like systems [01:51] Action: buffer overflow :D [01:53] |mel|: the actual location "/usr/share" is more of a specific-purpose area - I wouldn't use it as general user storage [01:54] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [01:56] |mel|: in fact, the entire tree under /usr is mostly specific purpose locations - I usually recommend utilizing actual home directories for user storage, or make up your own new locations - you'll just want to pay attention to where file systems are mounted and on what file systems you want your stuff to live [01:56] |mel|: /usr is usually on the root file system, another reason its not great for general storage [01:57] <|mel|> rk4n3: I have created a separate partition for /usr . [01:58] |mel|: ah, interesting choice - I know some people do that - here's why I don't like that ... [01:58] |mel|: a good deal of your OS software and package software goes in there - I prefer to separate system files from user storage [01:59] |mel|: I sometimes create a /opt and mount a file system there for general storage [01:59] ... leaving /usr to be just for system stuff [01:59] a good practice is to mount file systems you often use under /mnt for easy access and it provides a central location for future upgrades [01:59] <|mel|> rk4n3: I thought /opt was for add-on packages. [02:00] |mel|: that's kind of a Solaris-specific convention - the rest of the *nix's don't really follow that [02:00] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [02:00] geliving (n=geliving@69-29-1-248.stat.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] |mel|: another approach is to mount a file system on /home and then all home directories are automatically on separate storage, and you just use your home directory for all your stuff [02:01] |mel|: /usr should be for your system stuff. I usually make /home a separate partition/disk and anything I want to store I create a separate /home/ [02:01] alisonken1noc: :) [02:02] nooper it's probably not looking in the right place, the thing's from 2001 [02:03] |mel|: I go another step - I actually mount my file system on /opt, make an /opt/home, and change /home to be a link to /opt/home ... then, you just create other directories under /opt as preferred, and your homes are there too, suitably under a "home" subdirectory :) [02:03] geliving (n=geliving@69-29-1-248.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] |mel|: ... but really, you can go as far as you want designing to your own preference - the flexibility is there for you to leverage [02:05] hello people [02:05] hi :) [02:06] whatever you decide its good to have the /home and /var directories under individual partitions to limit the growth of these folders, but its all up to what you prefer [02:06] i think its better to mount /tmp on seperate partition [02:06] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:06] yes and /tmp lol [02:06] yeah, all good strategies [02:06] I tend to keep / and /tmp small so I know when someone (or me) screws up [02:07] if some one fills a /tmp which is part of / system screws up! [02:07] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:07] nooper_ (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [02:07] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [02:08] nooper it's probably not looking in the right place, the thing's from 2001 [02:08] buffer: some places use a separate partition for /tmp - but that's the idea. when the system get's screwed because /tmp (or / ) get's full, there's an issue that needs attention [02:08] but hey if you wait just a little while win7 will come out and save the world, and little kids can make commercials on how great it is. or NOT. [02:09] alisonken1noc: yes indeed ! thats what i tried to convey ! :) [02:10] <|mel|> I have checked the man-page for hier(7). It says /usr/share contains application-specific, shareable read-only data. [02:11] |mel|: correct - typically things like system-wide shared software configuration information (think man pages, internationalization text, etc.) and things of that nature [02:11] The London Stock Exchange just moved to a linux based setup, So i guess the Highly Reliable Times was WRONG [02:11] plus, note it says "read-only" [02:11] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7858.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] so anything under /usr/share should not be writable by just anybody [02:12] nvision (n=nvision@pD95352E1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:12] ruiwen (n=ruiwen@113.10.74.54) left ##slackware. [02:13] just put another 150 miles between me and home tonight [02:14] crazy insane multi site install [02:15] morning alisonken1noc [02:15] Kowalczyk: yo [02:15] <|mel|> alisonken1noc: So I was thinking of moving files as root to /usr/share/data, and allowing other users to have read-only access to it. Would it be appropriate? [02:15] that would work, but keep in mind what is the data going to be used for? [02:16] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:16] nooper (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:16] funny note: one of our communications teams was yelling wire power at a company event, and If you hear about 40 people yelling, it sounds like racist chanting. Everyone misunderstood what they were saying. [02:17] oh yeah. new naruto episode today :) [02:17] they mistook it for a klu klux klan ceremony from the deep south? [02:17] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen [02:17] toofer-home (n=toofer@c-71-199-13-151.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] mancha: or a Steve Balmer developer conference? [02:18] <|mel|> alisonken1noc: It's sharable data, available for all users, data such as music, videos, images, etc. I did not like the idea of creating it under /home, for I consider it to have the (private) data of all users. [02:18] yes the person leading it was for the south with a deep accent [02:18] while true; do echo Developers; done [02:18] |mel|: that kind of data is usually better _not_ under /usr since /usr is for sytem stuff. you can make /home/data directory be read-only for everyone else and still achieve the same results [02:19] you could say, ok the developer, deveoper thing actually ended up being catchy but then he did it again, like spaz 2.0 [02:19] wtf [02:19] |mel|: and btw - individual's /home/ directories can be made to not be viewable by anyone else as well [02:20] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:20] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:20] funny how microsoft gets free testing yet they still charge so much for their pOS [02:20] |mel|: put it into /opt/data and do a readonly [02:20] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [02:20] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:21] I'm 10 miles from Mexicali for a network install tomorrow [02:21] TwinReverb: its not the mircosoft to be blamed,but the people who reported the test result :-/ [02:21] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) joined ##slackware. [02:21] <|mel|> buffer: Thanks for the idea. I am trying to be in compliance with the "Linux Filesystem Hierarchy". [02:21] all night...border patrol helicopters.... [02:21] nvision (n=nvision@pD95352E1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] buffer, bull, proper programming is proper programming. they need to have better QA. [02:21] bummer [02:21] antiwire, ROFLcopters? [02:22] TwinReverb: [02:22] more like rolling around my bed copters [02:22] yea but if you try telling anyone about alt OSs they act like its the devil and leaning a need interface is evil. What do you think vista was. besides a test for win7 [02:22] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] just venting [02:22] spider1010, please vent to /dev/null, thanks [02:23] lol [02:23] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [02:23] i did that all day yesterday [02:23] spider1010: you can also ask them about the difference in desktops between windows 3.x, 95, XP, and vista and see if they give an honest answer [02:23] and i know that sometimes it's companies whose drivers suck, but they could compensate for this by programming in more fail-safes and checks into their OS that those drivers plug into [02:23] i like /usr/share/whatev [02:24] there really is no excuse. either put out a good product or close your business. the only reason they still exist is mass ignorance and dependency really. [02:24] sometimes i wonder what would happen if Apple put out a MAC OS X version that was without support but worked on PCs 586 and higher. [02:24] Twin, you missed the biggest issue, they're in bed with the HW makers [02:24] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: "ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" [02:24] TwinReverb: are you for or aganist MS ? [02:24] i realize that [02:25] i am for good software [02:25] if windows was really good enough for me, i wouldn't be using Linux [02:25] yea but asking most people about anything to do with computers even their likes and dislikes I usually get the answer. I just want it to work and so I stick with what i am using. so it makes me want to bet them. [02:25] i used microsoft since DOS 5 through Windows XP. [02:25] that loots your privacy and freedom you mean TwinReverb ? [02:25] they haven't tried the alternatives so they can't really say that [02:25] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [02:26] what loots my privacy and freedom? [02:26] Action: buffer nvm! [02:26] I know and i tell them that often. [02:27] i've seen people give away laptops for cheap because their sound failed to work. i am using one right now. remove windows, install linux, works like a charm. thanks for the discount 8-) [02:27] lol. thats great [02:28] in fact i have a friend who GAVE her laptop to her sister because of that. i was like "wtf?! it worked fine in knoppix" [02:28] i am just absolutely amazed at how people throw away money that way, but oh well, they chose to do it, and wouldn't listen to me [02:29] i have my wife and father using ubuntu (for them). and they enjoy the whats the word [02:29] stability [02:29] over winblowz [02:29] sanity? 8-) [02:29] <|mel|> Why do most of the computer dealers sell their systems with Windows? [02:29] extortion [02:29] because originally ms had created contracts with them, and since then public inertia [02:29] |mel|, because they're in bed with windows? i dunno. because of software they need for their work, like microsoft office / adobe creative suite? [02:30] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:31] <|mel|> But I as a user/customer want my freedom to choose the OS of my choice, not theirs! [02:31] |mel|: exactly ! [02:31] I work with Microsoft operating systems at work. One of the requirements for the job is owning your own laptop with XP Pro or Vista Business [02:31] mel, nothing keeps you from nuking the pre-installed OS [02:32] so i don't really see a "freedom" argument holding any water to be honest [02:32] |mel|: once i contacted dell tell them that i don't want vista with this model ,! they said then don't use this model! and vista comes along the set !:-/ [02:32] mancha: read my sentence ! [02:32] nooper_ (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:32] buffer: You're doing it wrong. [02:32] i don't understand it :/ [02:33] mancha: i would like model xxxxx and i don't want vista, and i have to pay for vista to get my model xxxxx [02:33] mancha: but I would rather _not_ send money to some company for a product I don't use [02:33] antiwire: what did i do wrong ? [02:33] buffer, yes, so they sell a bundle. you're free to shop elsewhere [02:33] mancha: tell that to my other half :) [02:34] Dell will ship systems even without hard disks. You need to get in contact with a decent rep. [02:34] just like you can't buy an M&M bag w/o the brown M7Ms [02:34] M&Ms [02:34] mancha: thing is not about shopping else where ! thing is the try MS plays and takes our freedom! [02:34] mancha: getting me ? [02:34] no i don't get you [02:34] buffer: You clearly don't understand the game. [02:35] mancha how the hell is dell and MS to tell us to use this and that ! [02:35] a/how/who/ [02:35] ok this definitely deserves ignore [02:35] antiwire: can you make it clear ? [02:35] where have i gone wrong ? [02:37] ? any one ? have all put me into /ignore ? [02:37] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Nick change: buffer -> init[1] [02:38] buffer: it's more of a ##slackofftopic discussion about ms and hardware tie-ins [02:38] alisonken1noc: aah ok then, i keep quite :), [02:39] in this case a couple of points are ok, but continued discussions should move to ##slackofftopic [02:40] got cha :) [02:40] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-167-71.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:43] relampagou (n=relamp@190.80.227.91) joined ##slackware. [02:43] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [02:45] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.142.217) joined ##slackware. [02:47] root (n=root@92.84.18.149) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Nick change: root -> Guest96994 [02:48] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.142.217) left irc: Connection reset by peer [02:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.87.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:48] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-142-217.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] How to mount a partition? [02:49] mount [02:49] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-142-217.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [02:49] Tidus (n=nobody@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [02:49] i.e. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/mymount (or summit) [02:49] mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/gentoo [02:49] s/i.e./e.g./ [02:50] you can specify options (for example: if you want to read, but not update, your backups, you probably want to make it read-only in case you accidentally do something wrong) [02:50] see man mount (etc) [02:50] When run that command i get msg:you must specify the filesystem type. [02:51] then tell it what fs it is with the -t flag [02:51] Guest96994: Is this NTFS? [02:51] uh no, -f FILESYSTEM [02:51] ext3 [02:51] er nevermind, sorry, i'm wrong, -t FILESYSTEM -o options [02:52] brain fart [02:52] i was thinking mkinitrd [02:52] it should be fine w/o. anyways try mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 /mnt/genpoo [02:52] example mount -t ext4 /dev/foo /mnt/foo or ext3 ,etc.. [02:53] if it says bad filesystem you can fsck it but be careful that you know what you're doing at that point (to use -f or --force iirc can be disasterous) [02:54] Dinithion (n=thomas@242.80-203-59.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:54] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:55] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-237.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-237.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [02:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." 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Installed slackware 13.0, created myself a user account, and now trying to install some packages [03:27] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:27] Nick change: mingdao -> mingdao_ [03:28] good luck [03:28] Nick change: mingdao_ -> mingdao [03:28] guess I've gotta uset he pkginstall tool. Do I need to edit the path somehow so I can excecute this program? [03:28] from my user [03:28] hmh [03:28] slackN00b: check the /topic, there's some links there that will help you out. [03:29] C00re: I hope that's not your password anymore, is it? :P [03:29] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-xxykmelgzkksajvs) joined ##slackware. [03:29] k [03:29] fire|bird: ofcourse not :) [03:29] C00re: :) [03:29] C00re: I've been there done that, barely a week ago. :P [03:29] hi [03:29] hi [03:30] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-59-129.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [03:30] always identify in the status window, not in channel [03:30] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] hey mingdao [03:31] Dinithion (n=thomas@242.80-203-59.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [03:31] hiya firebird ;) [03:31] haha [03:31] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:33] and never copy/paste a /msg command to a channel window ... [03:34] nope, it'll auto-paste most of the time. [03:35] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [03:35] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:35] elbeardmorez_ (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:36] slackN00b (n=slackn00@216-67-107-212.static.acsalaska.net) left irc: "Java user signed off" [03:36] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-59-129.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. 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[03:59] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [04:00] ehh [04:04] Kowalczyk: 61?! [04:04] slava_dp: what you up to today? [04:05] Dominian: noobfarm always makes my day...;) i put it as one of my first todo things when i come in to work...;) [04:05] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:05] The-Croupier, reading a book at work. lazy day here. [04:05] Action: The-Croupier hopes he sees it at some point [04:05] slava_dp: im changing departments..im going into academic research ;) [04:06] that includes #slackware and noobfarm ;) [04:06] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [04:06] The-Croupier, if you have a 64-bit capable cpu on your small laptop, then why not? ^^ [04:06] slava_dp: im sorry to say this..but i dont know if i do [04:06] The-Croupier: I was supposed to type /61 to get to window 61 :D [04:06] noobfarm is in my bookmark batch that i view every morning :) [04:07] Kowalczyk: 61?! wtf? [04:07] slava_dp: so im not the only one...thank god ;) [04:07] Kowalczyk, you're pretty multitasked [04:07] or not [04:08] slava_dp: not if he can't get to the windows, in #slackbuilds he did the same thing, only /63 :P [04:08] if it takes 2 to 3 times to get the right window... do that for like 10 times a day.. you got at least 2hours gone from your work [04:08] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [04:08] haha [04:09] fire|bird: haha:d there I had a space :D [04:09] if you add the toilet time, and the coffee time ...well the tobaco time.. [04:09] he actually works for like 3/8 hours [04:09] Kowalczyk: haha :) [04:09] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7858.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:09] Kowalczyk: That must be fun in irssi managing all those windows. :P [04:10] fire|bird: point proven..and spaces werent taken into account [04:10] and if you add irc time.... well, there we go, no time for work again =) [04:10] The-Croupier: nah.. hehe:d [04:10] slava_dp: what i didnt add irc time.. ?! [04:10] slava_dp: eh, there never is, so why plan for it from the start anyway. :P [04:10] slava_dp: damn you are right... [04:10] fire|bird: yes:d it is :D :) [04:11] I dont drink coffee, and I dont smoke :) [04:11] jhw (n=jhwiesch@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [04:11] jhw (n=jhwiesch@194.64.6.1) left ##slackware. [04:11] Kowalczyk: if it is...then why are you here [04:11] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [04:11] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] i cannot work if im not on irc, while smoking with my coffee [04:11] :p [04:12] jhw (n=jhwiesch@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [04:12] :D [04:12] Tidus (n=nobody@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: [04:13] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:13] The-Croupier: hehe.. I drink cola:) and ircing :d heheh [04:13] i drink ayran lol [04:13] jhw (n=jhwiesch@194.64.6.1) left irc: Client Quit [04:13] jhw (n=jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [04:13] you drink cola... what is wrong with you people...thats why they call IT people geeks :p [04:13] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] slava_dp: what do you do for a living? [04:14] The-Croupier: haha:D I dont like coffee. and I dont like smoke:d so :D [04:15] Kowalczyk: i stick to my initial statement [04:16] The-Croupier: and I stick to mine :D [04:17] The-Croupier: full ack [04:17] irc, coffee and cigarettes are essential for working ;) [04:17] The-Croupier, tinkering with small linux servers and touch panels. the company does home automation. [04:17] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] apoca: thank you very much ;) [04:17] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:17] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:18] slava_dp: i was asking about that the other day (home automation) [04:18] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:18] The-Croupier, but it's just a year since my uni graduation. so i'm still learning a lot of stuff. [04:18] do you recommend it ? or not? [04:18] cola and kebab <3 :) [04:18] The-Croupier, depends. this stuff is expensive. [04:18] i was having a look about that kind of stuff some time ago [04:19] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:19] im looking for something cheap, monitor the house, make things a little more helpful and nice..you know geeky style ;) [04:19] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:19] morning slackers [04:19] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] y0 Camarade_Tux [04:19] morning Camarade_Tux [04:19] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:20] Camarade_Tux: ;) [04:20] morning Camarade_Tux [04:20] btw, I think I'll have to leave you soon... I finished my project with the slackware boxes and will probably never touch them again ;) [04:20] maybe I stay because you're such nice guys ;) [04:20] apoca: i wouldnt care less :p ;) [04:21] :( [04:21] apoca, The-Croupier is a liar. we are going to cry and miss you a lot. [04:21] Well, there went the nice guy theory. :P [04:21] fire|bird: ;) [04:21] if you think you got a chance...you are mistaken..we are in different countries baby... [04:21] slava_dp: that's what I wanted to hear [04:22] Well, I have to get going. See ya later nice guys. :P Take care. [04:22] {-Y-}_a (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) joined ##slackware. [04:22] fire|bird: lol, bye bro [04:22] gl, fire|bird [04:22] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] apoca: why wont you touch a slackware box anymore? [04:22] see ya The-Croupier [04:22] bye slava_dp [04:22] later Kowalczyk [04:22] <{-Y-}_a> anybody know whats up with .txz/tar.xz all of a sudden? [04:22] bye apoca [04:22] later fire|bird [04:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:23] {-Y-}_a, get a proper nick please. [04:23] Nick change: {-Y-}_a -> proper_nick [04:23] proper_nick, txz is a new package format based on lzma. [04:23] awsome,smart and quick ;) [04:23] Kowalczyk: I had a project with 2 slackware boxes, and now they both run fine. And I really like 'never touch a running system' [04:24] proper_nick, yeilds a much better compression ratio compared to gzip (the former one). [04:24] slava_dp: i notice that gnu is using it also [04:24] apoca: when you say touch...you mean fiddle with it..tweak ...etc [04:24] apoca: aha. I thought you meant that you never gonna use slackware again :D [04:25] apoca, don't forget to patch them. and do backups too. [04:25] s/patch/patch regularly/ [04:25] that would be wierd install slackware to all your boxes in the house and never touch/use them... [04:25] Action: The-Croupier looks in the horison thinking [04:26] Action: The-Croupier doesnt like the view...sounds like a nightmare [04:27] well, these 2 boxes are the only ones with slackware. Backups are done nightly via cronjob [04:27] but I will not patch them, it was hard enough to get them running with my old sco-binaries [04:29] I would advise against lzma and only use xz/lzma2 [04:31] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [04:34] at the top of the hill for configuring my desktop's kernel. rest is downhill. [04:35] anyone know a good automatic backup tool for important system files? i have seen some in sbopkg, though not sure which is the best one. [04:35] or even a manual one [04:36] cron ^^ [04:37] lol, wow i came in at the right time. ;) [04:39] next question. besides the obvious ones such as my /etc which others should be kept on backup? [04:41] /var/spool for instance? [04:44] hey Camarade_Tux btw, I found how to raise the resource level for a user. I had to add it to /sbin/initscript [04:45] mrselfpwn: yeah, I saw it in the backlog :) [04:46] the program worked after that. [04:46] I don't have access to a slackware machine but please tell me there is no /etc/alternatives on slackware [04:47] Not that I see. [04:47] thanks god [04:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:49] see http://linux.die.net/man/8/alternatives and read the paragraph beginning with "It is possible for several programs fulfilling the same or similar functions" [04:49] (second paragraph) [04:51] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A574.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Nick change: adupuis_ -> Arno[Slack]`Work [04:54] yeah, a little silly [04:54] Camarade_Tux: are we making some kind of dependency script or something for slackware? [04:55] i thought .bashrc was for setting default programs. [04:55] morning [04:56] morning slackytude [04:56] slackytude: morning [04:56] morning [04:58] reminds me of that old cartoon "mornin Sam" [05:00] Wolf and Sheepdog. [05:01] The-Croupier: no, not at all, I've just discovered that on cygwin and right after on ubuntu and found out it came from debian [05:01] morning slackytude [05:01] see, several ^^H only for you, what a special attention :) [05:02] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: "Leaving." [05:02] jhw (n=jhw@194.64.6.1) left ##slackware. [05:03] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7858.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Camarade_Tux: does it seem like a superfluous approach? [05:06] mrselfpwn: what? [05:06] to have /etc/alternatives [05:06] it's pretty hard for me to follow anything as my connection is really really crappy [05:06] aye [05:07] mrselfpwn: I just find that horrible to have a symlink in /usr point to a symlink in /etc which points to what is probably another symlink which points to what is maybe the real file [05:07] aye [05:07] yeah, hokey [05:08] and it's more to deal with and take into consideration. [05:08] yup [05:09] I get the idea of changing only files in /etc but I don't think it's worth [05:09] it [05:10] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] hi [05:15] hi [05:15] wow I have a gamers addiiction [05:15] err addiction [05:16] what game? [05:16] heroes of newerth [05:16] www.heroesofnewerth.com [05:17] i've been playing it since like aug 28th [05:17] i have played 162 games at an avg of 38 min each [05:17] it's in beta ? [05:18] yep [05:18] i have 2 invites for it [05:18] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:18] wow the SS look really nice [05:18] will it be free? [05:18] right now it is free [05:18] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:18] but I preordered ofr 30 bucks [05:18] Reaver1 (n=AFLI@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:18] one time fee [05:19] 30 now and nothing again [05:19] can you invite me to beta? [05:19] sure [05:19] pm emailaddy [05:19] it runs in linux nice [05:19] natively [05:19] awesome [05:19] they have win mac and lin clients [05:20] what your email addy? [05:20] what's [05:20] it's mrselfpwn@gmail.com [05:20] k [05:20] juice: could you also invite me? [05:21] looks really interesting [05:21] sure [05:21] i actually didn't think. irc is logged. spammers probably gonna get my email now. [05:21] GREAT SUCCESS! mrselfpwn@gmail.com: invitation sent. [05:21] lol [05:21] and again ;) [05:21] lol [05:21] sorry [05:21] lol [05:21] double wammy [05:21] apoca pm addy? [05:22] what's the gameplay like? [05:22] now I will tell you people are rude [05:22] so ... newbs get no mercy [05:23] so if you want I can play with you guys [05:23] to help teach you [05:23] nick is juicejar [05:23] on the game [05:23] it is fun [05:23] basically you have main chars [05:23] the heroes [05:23] I will try the game later that daywhen I'm at home [05:23] and then creeps [05:23] np [05:23] i will try it also... ;) its nice to have friends in a game..;) [05:23] so you kill heroes and creeps [05:23] i shouldn't have bought this stupid aion online game [05:23] to gain hp and gold [05:24] and the idea is to take out defense towers [05:24] mrselfpwn: you email is: **@gmail.com :p right ;) [05:24] and the other teams base [05:24] then you take out a world tree [05:24] and win [05:24] every match you start at level 1 [05:24] ^^ [05:24] and can level to 25 [05:24] you have an overall psr ranking [05:24] is it sort of like savage2? [05:25] i'm sure [05:25] never played it [05:25] it's like dota [05:25] guys, could you invite me as well? [05:25] okay [05:25] for warcraft 3 [05:25] i'm out of invites for now [05:25] but I might get more [05:25] then I can [05:25] or open beta starts soon [05:25] i believe [05:25] I can ask some friends [05:25] pm me your email addys [05:25] juice: well, when you do... you know where to find me ;) [05:25] they might have invites [05:25] i'll send some [05:26] you got that... [05:27] yep [05:27] mrselfpwn: im on web-irc.could you pm me so that it opens the pm tab..i cannot from here [05:27] mrselfpwn: well since you got it ;) ok then [05:27] bli (n=quassel@195.207.85.194) joined ##slackware. [05:27] good morning [05:28] Quite bored of Gentoo, and frustrated of *buntu's, will I find happiness in Slack? [05:28] bli: tried it yet? [05:28] bli: maybe. [05:28] bli: read first. try second. [05:29] great! [05:29] read what/where? pdf? [05:29] /topic [05:29] bli: quite bored with my wife, frustrated with my gf, will i findhappiness in slack ;) [05:29] I have here the 13.0 DVD...got a nice prompt quickly 'live' [05:30] The-Croupier: I see the attitude...but that kind of humor is distro-wide, right? ;) [05:31] bli: no man, just humor...no attitude ;) [05:31] bli: dont get it wrong, didnt mean the slightest ;) [05:31] he was just being honest bli [05:31] bli: just bear in mind that because of the nature of slack being that expects you to know what you are doing you will almost certainly find you have a lot of simple questions very early on. If you ask them in here you will get told to rtfm once and then be flamed. I guarantee they are all answered in the links in the topic. [05:31] If you cant find your answers there.. THEN we welcome questions [05:31] I am sure: geek are the most fidel kind of people, but that is neither here or there [05:32] proper_nick (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) left irc: "leaving" [05:32] bli: just making sure i set your expectations properly early on [05:32] Zordrak: grat! I have a great willingness to find a distro that _only_ do what I want, and, yes, that mean understanding a lot... [05:33] bli: then you've come to the right place [05:33] but i like to think of myself of an advanced linux enthousiast, running unstable gentoo version for years [05:33] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:33] bli: and we warmly welcome you ;) [05:33] bli: _only_ do what you want you will surely find. [05:33] but becoming a dad, won't have time to compile all day long [05:33] FYI i have the answers to a few not-so-obvious slack13 starter-issues here http://blog.tpa.me.uk [05:33] yes, I do feel warmly welcomed, never feel so softly surrounded on irc in my entire life! [05:35] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-59-129.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [05:36] giuppy (n=giuppy@host4-166-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:36] bli: you havent seen anything yet. ;) [05:36] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.141) joined ##slackware. [05:36] all in all (and sorry for the quick & dirty shortning) Slack is about a package manager? really differences from the shell? [05:36] Zordrak: ;) i already added that to my rss ;) [05:36] nice to know your friends websites ;) ..etc..;) [05:37] bli: no.. slack is about simplicity, security and stability while not modifying upstream sources [05:37] and about you controlling your sytem not the other way around. [05:37] bli: Part of that is that dependency resolution is your job.. not that of a package tool [05:37] system* [05:38] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:38] bli: but suffice it to say if you do a FULL install.. you will have most of everything you need and all dependencies will be there... anything you need to add can be added from sources that also tell you what dependencies you might need and provides them too [05:38] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:38] bli: see the blog post about tha package management guide [05:39] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.102) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:39] bli: on that note most dependencies can be found at slackbuilds.org and the slackbuilds on there will tell you what you need also. [05:39] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [05:40] ouch, that is heavy! so _really_ only installing what I want, you guys were not kidding! [05:40] bli: and.. unlike other distros.. a full install does NOT mean bloat.. because daemons are not all started by default.. the only thing a full install takes up is disk space and so long as you're not worried about a couple of gig the ONLY install i recommend is a full install.. its then just about making sure the only services that start at boot are the ones you want [05:40] oahong (n=user@220.115.249.239) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [05:41] Zordrak: yeah, i find the Gentoo mind there, that is good. [05:41] bli: between a full install and SlackBuilds.org (and sbopkg) you will find theres almost nothing you want that isnt available very easily [05:41] bli: you won't get 3-4 dvd players in your install unlike some other distros for example. [05:41] so my first "fork" choice is between this fullinstall and an slackbuild> [05:41] someone mention ncdu yesterday... because of sbopkg i had compiled, installed and run the program within 60 seconds [05:41] bli: No [05:42] bli: no, slackbuilds are extras you can choose to install later if you need them. [05:42] ah ok [05:42] bli: Do a full install. Then IF (and i mean **IF**) theres anything else you need.. it will be available on SBo [05:42] binary distro anyway? [05:42] Zordrak: go it. [05:42] bli: meaning? [05:42] pre-compiled packages? [05:42] no [05:43] well yes [05:43] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [05:43] slackware itself (the distribution) is pre-compiledh [05:43] ok [05:43] slackbuildsare scripts that allow one-touch compilation [05:43] not like gentoo then,...rather like debian (and again, sorry for these "like" comparison) [05:43] with Slackware-style defaults [05:43] its just not *like* anything else enough to compare [05:43] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-59-129.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [05:44] which is why its my only choice [05:44] slackware is basically like slackware (partly) :-) [05:44] probably for me it is time to start reading this slackbook [05:44] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-168.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] sbopkg allows a graphical (or not) interface for very simple compile/install direct from SlackBuilds.Org [05:44] Yes [05:45] (or any other starting-block?) [05:45] oh and FYI.. SlackBuilds.Org is a natural extension of slackware because.. if you look at the source directory.. you will see that Slackware is compiled entirely with its own slackbuild scripts [05:45] start with slackbook [05:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] its a liitle out of date at the moment but the core of the OS hasnt changed much in a long time and it will get you where you need to bo [05:46] *be [05:46] then move to slackwiki [05:46] bli: you won't spend all day compiling. most small packages take very little time and for the larger ones such as open office there are binary packages from different slackware users and devs available. [05:46] Zordrak: there is a gui in sbo?! [05:47] ncurses is technically graphical :) [05:47] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-168.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:47] Zordrak: right i see...;) [05:47] http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/postsfd2009 [05:47] The-Croupier: aah,did you find out some solution for the forum issue ? [05:47] relampagou (n=relamp@190.80.227.91) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:48] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host230-161-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:48] slackpkg will keep you up to date with the latest official packages and you can use sbopkg (which is very similar) to install apps from slackbuilds.org directly from the terminal. [05:48] Zordrak: hi,did RMS reply / [05:48] oahong (n=user@211.161.249.161) joined ##slackware. [05:48] init[1]: not yet [05:48] sbopkg does not come installed default though just as a note. [05:48] Ok. Enough talk. Reading time :) [05:49] relampagou (n=relamp@190.166.145.241) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Action: init[1] eagerly waits :) [05:49] is it just me or does the lady with the "Pleasure Craft" sweatshirt (second pic) have a possible double-entendre in the way the shirt is printed? [05:49] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) joined ##slackware. [05:49] init[1]: not exactly... i need to be able to monitor the changes [05:50] and the input to every blog will be manually [05:50] some of them have rss and some do not.. [05:50] and how up to date is slack? FF 3.5.3 for example? [05:50] init[1]: still thinking and looking for it [05:50] mmm does your slackpkg find sdcc package? [05:50] bli: yes [05:51] slack13 came out not long ago and is cutting edge [05:51] The-Croupier: either you request them to include rss feed or do i manually :D [05:51] security updates will be released when needed [05:51] s/i/it/ [05:51] bli: i've found slackware is typically more up to date than other distros. [05:51] yes indeed ! [05:51] bli: otherwise slackware-current is the dev branch and is usually stable enough to run but there are NO guarantees [05:51] Nick change: init[1] -> buffer [05:51] could some of you guys tell me if there is sdcc on his system pls? :) [05:51] bli: i ran -current for 6 months because it had waht i wanted and wolked for me [05:52] bli: but 13.0 should suit you fine. [05:52] bli: and.. when the time comes.. -current will be halted and will become 13.1 ... then -current will start off again [05:53] bli: at the moment there is barely any difference between 13.0 and -current... mafbe 8 packages (OTTOMH) [05:53] like KDE 4.3.1? [05:53] 4.2.6 is in 13.0 [05:53] great [05:54] 4.3.1 or later will be added to -current when Pat gets around to it [05:55] and.. because EVERYTHING is based on a slackbuild.. if you want something else.. or a newer version than available.. modify the slackbuild and off you go [05:55] buffer: what do you mean add it manually? [05:55] how? [05:55] depending on whats changed between versions.. sometimes all you have to do is get a newer source and change the VERSION in the slackbuild and youre done [05:56] The-Croupier: i mean you will have to monitor is manually :) [05:56] i did that when subversion 1.5 came out.. i took the 1.4 slackbuild, changed the version and recompiled.. and had 1.5.. pat came along with 1.5 in -current a liitle later on [05:56] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-63.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] buffer: that is going to be a biaaatch [05:57] buffer: <-- ? [05:57] The-Croupier: ask, the forum guys to have a feed thingy ! if they don't have yet1 [05:57] Zordrak: its me init[1] :) [05:58] buffer: i know [05:58] buffer: thats the point [05:58] anyway [05:59] init[1]: RMS replied: "If that works for you informally, it's ok. But we can't do it because it invites confusion with a rather nasty company." [06:00] come on guys tell me if you locate sdcc on your slackware :-) [06:01] Zordrak: hm, yea we can only do that now,i guess! [06:01] giuppy (n=giuppy@host4-166-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [06:01] Lalloso: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sdcc+slackware [06:02] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:02] i wonder if it's a good idea to rename root accounts on servers to smth (toor?) to make all those ssh bruteforce attacks pointless. i have them throttled to 2/180sec, but they still fill my syslog. [06:02] theyll still try [06:03] slava_dp: if you dont have anything that allows remote root you have nothing to worry about [06:03] but they will not succeed. the root username gives a single point of failure. [06:03] Zordrak: i know that it's just that i don't find it installed on my system [06:03] maybe i have to take it on the slackbuilds [06:04] Lalloso: youre obviously not reading the results properly [06:04] Zordrak, so you suggest disabling root access. i'll have to make myself a user account then.... [06:04] slava_dp: uhhh... YEAH [06:04] nheco (n=nheco@200-96-85-164.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:05] root is for doing specific tasks.. otherwise run as a user [06:05] that's a gateway/firewall. i'm always doing specific tasks on it. [06:05] please tell me youre not IRCing as root... [06:05] what about remaning /etc/passwd and /etc/group ? [06:05] Zordrak, i'm not. [06:05] kk [06:06] even if -x is for /etc people can still read those file ! [06:06] then only allow access to it from an internal IP and then access it from the outside by SSHing to an internal box as a usler first [06:06] its not perfect.. but allowing root login from outside is just dangerous [06:07] if you MUST have remote root login then it should be restricted to a password-protected 2048 rsa certificate only [06:08] o_O [06:08] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:08] Reaver1 (n=AFLI@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [06:08] Zordrak: sounds like a logical idea ;) [06:09] i think i'll just make myself a user. that'll be a logical solution. [06:09] indeed! [06:09] absolutely [06:09] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:09] Action: The-Croupier hopes noone gets his user (i suppose with extended permissions) account credentials ;) [06:10] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:10] thankfully.. slackware is by default reasonably secured against defoult-priv local users [06:10] eg not even in plugdev by default [06:11] yeah, but the umask is 022, so anyone can read each other's files. [06:11] Zordrak: i've understood now [06:11] thx [06:12] (should be 077 in the real world) [06:12] Zordrak: defoult-priv, huh? [06:12] a is next to o on my keyboard [06:12] :) [06:12] ok,i feel making /etc/passwd and /etc/group to read by users is quite insane [06:13] slava_dp: if you need 077.. MAKE it 077 :) [06:13] buffer: no its not [06:13] is there any way to rename it ? and still make utilities depending on the work ! [06:13] leitaox (i=leitaox@187-26-153-162.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [06:14] buffer: the whole point is that those passwords are encrypted... the files remain available so that processes that need to read them can [06:14] Zordrak: i didn't say /etc/shadow [06:14] buffer: in any case it is not an issue [06:14] read access to /etc/passwd and /etc/group is normal and reasonable [06:15] you can make them 440 if you so choose [06:15] but that is a choice you make [06:15] but some apps break ! [06:15] they depend those files, [06:16] right [06:16] so dont do it [06:16] :D [06:17] i still feel it can be done with group filtering [06:17] will try some day [06:17] and put those apps into the group ! [06:17] buffer: feel free to try. its your system. but you will be wasting your time [06:18] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Zordrak: why is it a waste of time? [06:18] security is about the weakest link in the chain. read access to those two files is nowhere near the weakest link in your system [06:18] what does protecting them give you [06:18] buffer: you are the weakest link ;) [06:18] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-63.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:18] Zordrak: :(! [06:19] The-Croupier: ^ [06:19] archimandritax (n=locus@83.173.146.253.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [06:19] ESPECRIALLY if you are not hosting a properly multi-user system like, for example, a university research processing machine [06:19] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:20] hi slackers good morning [06:20] Zordrak: i still do not understand.. i spend alot of time messing with security stuff on my system and i dont host any university stuff [06:20] Zordrak: i was under the impression of mutliuser system [06:20] All Imcan say is.. if it was of any importance.. dont you think the distros would have changed it by now? *especially* pat... [06:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:21] maybe he let it as it is..so that we could do whatever we want with it ;) like other things [06:21] most _especially_ The Man ;) [06:21] usually I receive mensages in xchat Iex. ING:unknow command..... why this malformate commands... Slackware 13 default version xchat [06:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [06:21] Zordrak: agreed ! :),logical answer [06:22] plus.. bash would hate you forever [06:22] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:23] if you do ever do o-r on /etc/passwd -- have a boot disk handy [06:23] i think we will have a deadlock,even if we do a group filtering [06:23] archimandritax (n=locus@83.173.146.253.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:24] ok - 2 minutes without an answer = leave [06:24] gotta love the microwave generation [06:24] alisonken1noc: lol [06:24] :::: archimandritax!n=locus@83.173.146.253.dyn.user.ono.com has left ##slackware: "Leaving" [06:25] 03:48 < archimandritax> hi slackers good morning [06:26] http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/economics-of-foss-slides/ [06:27] Action: theblackbox misses his microwave [06:30] hmmm, drunk girls, to take advantage or not... [06:30] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) joined ##slackware. [06:30] lol [06:31] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:31] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.134.249) joined ##slackware. [06:31] ok did any one try out google wave ? wave.google.com [06:32] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-135-247.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:32] buffer: do you have a firefox extinsen that just pastes whatever URL you're on into the channel? [06:32] spook: yes, take thair money [06:32] buffer: i have been invited, i'll be able to use it eventually [06:32] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:32] Zordrak: no o_O why? [06:33] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] buffer: cos every ten minutel you paste a random non-slackware-related URL into the channel [06:33] ah,sorry when channel is idle,aa nvm, will not do that again :( [06:34] its alll right occasionally.. but you spend an inordinate amount of time pasting random links [06:35] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-214-82.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [06:35] aah,well just paste out things what interest me,under the impression that you guys would like too :) [06:36] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn64.91-127-209.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:39] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.134.249) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:39] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] HUBI (i=hubi@ubuntu.org.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:41] nille (i=1000@95.209.88.57.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [06:44] How do you make powerdevil to unload modules when i suspend and load modules when i wake it up again? I looked for run script but i didn't find it in powerdevil [06:44] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:44] buffer: some of them have rss...happy about that...its the first time im actually liking something i dont understand completely..but it makes my job easier ;) [06:44] nille: acpi scripts? [06:44] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [06:45] The-Croupier: are you doing that with google reader ? [06:45] not exactly...:( [06:45] The-Croupier: if you do that,you will find people of your interest [06:45] crap korganizer [06:45] aparently ie has rss reader /synchroniser..;) [06:45] aah ;) [06:45] buffer: i am still learning of best ways [06:45] yes but isn't it implented in powerdevil already like "run script when lid is closed" [06:46] The-Croupier: what client are you using for feeds ? [06:46] ie, has rss synch [06:46] buffer: im at work atm..cannot do much [06:46] I know how to make it work with acpi scripts but i wanted to know how to do it in powerdevil [06:47] just reading and trying whatever [06:47] The-Croupier: np, :) [06:47] samyf (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.4) joined ##slackware. [06:47] hello [06:49] samyf (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.4) left irc: Client Quit [06:51] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:51] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:01] Action: Zordrak wonders how many more times adeodatus is gonna change his nick and not expect to be treated like thu turing failure he is... [07:01] is it asking for problems if i upgrade cario? this box has slackware 12.1 on it and firefox 3.5.3 renders badly. i do have 13.0 on my other box but it's not ready for primetime, yet. [07:02] i would tend to say yes [07:02] ive seen a number of random things have cairo deps [07:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [07:06] ok. i'll have to try to downgrade firefox, thanks [07:07] Zordrak: :) [07:07] (nic changes) [07:12] anyone uses something like this? http://www.box.net/ [07:13] nope [07:13] Action: Zordrak has co-lo [07:13] Zordrak: co-lo? [07:13] co-located server [07:14] Zordrak: still didnt get it..;) [07:14] Zordrak: sorry for being thick...am reading and wirtting at the same time [07:15] google co-location [07:17] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Zordrak: can you recommend good vps providers ? [07:17] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:17] buffer: define: "good" [07:18] buffer: if it offers slack 13 its a good VPS provider.. if it offers only 12.2 its a reasonable vps provider.. if it doesnt offer slack its a bad vps provider [07:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [07:18] which Zordrak felt it as good!,as he is sys Admin ! and he seems to have good choice in that! alisonken1noc <- :D [07:19] Action: Zordrak does not use VPS [07:19] 12:13:13 * Zordrak has co-lo [07:19] aaha, alisonken1noc,nvm,i take my words back ;) [07:19] t0f: issue "grep "cairo" /var/log/packages/*" just to see how many packages have cairo [07:20] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-purhrhssngfcpchu) joined ##slackware. [07:20] mingdao: wow, yeah [07:21] that lists more than just packages, but you see there are maybe 5 or 6 that probably need rebuilt [07:21] glad i asked [07:21] i would say.. if its worth going to the effort of updating cairo.. its worth upgrading to 13 [07:22] buffer: well, we don't have slack here :) [07:22] this fs might get upgraded, after i get my p4 humming [07:22] other than my machine [07:22] i think linode does 12.2 [07:22] alisonken1noc: are you a provider? [07:23] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [07:23] i'm new to this domain,can't we ask the provider to install it for us ? [07:24] buffer: no [07:24] buffer: you choose from a list [07:24] if its not on the list you aint getting it [07:24] if you want your choice of anything to do with however you please.. you want co-lo [07:24] 12:19:13 < Zordrak> 12:13:13 * Zordrak has co-lo [07:24] :) [07:25] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.254.63.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [07:25] my pleas for advice seem to be falling on deaf ears, so forgive me for being off topic, but it's a simple matter - looking for open source solutions to managing hosting (cPanel like) and tracking stats.... would be in a world of wonder if I could get them as slackbuilds ;) [07:25] Zordrak: aah, i will have to research on this,will contact you guys if in trouble [07:26] Action: buffer facing power failure [07:26] Action: buffer brb [07:26] theblackbox: i dont know about anyone else.. but i dont consider that a simple matter [07:28] well, it's a matter of relativity .... I'm currently at Base Camp 2 on the side of mount Everest, so.... ;) [07:29] no, Zordrak I'm aware it'll be a bit of a mission, but it's all part of the learning process [07:30] I've got the full gamete of features set up on my server, I just want to add in an interface so that I can shop some hosting packages to some friends without having to do /everything/ for them [07:30] c/l scares people you know! [07:31] well good luck.. but im no help [07:32] Action: Zordrak is busy trying to work out whats a good SLA to demand.. i have an fibre internet service contract with a per-year target SLA of 98.98% [07:32] and im not too happy about it [07:32] they say theres roomw for negotiation [07:32] but im not sure how far to go with it.. 90 hours a year is a lot when your running a mailserver [07:33] *you're [07:33] thats an hours downtime every 4 days [07:34] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:35] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.134.249) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:35] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [07:37] dont all speak up at once [07:38] heh [07:38] gaj (n=chatzill@vi154.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:39] poor, poor Zordrak :( [07:39] sounds like your troubles are a bit ahead of me Z .... although I think I've got an idea of what to do - Munin for data (looks interesting, anyone had exp?) and leaning toward ISPConfig for host management [07:40] X is magical and fun to use with 2 monitors. [07:40] fyi.. by "i have a contract" what i mean is.. i have the contract in hand and am going to ask for adjustments before we commit to signing it [07:41] Zordrak, ahhh, low-ball them bastards...... [07:41] Action: theblackbox stops with the management-speak [07:42] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:45] nille (i=1000@95.209.88.57.bredband.tre.se) left irc: "Leaving" [07:45] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:46] by magical i mean versatile. [07:46] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] how though do I make my login manager stop spanning across both my screens with xinerama enabled? [07:47] if I disable xinerama I am unable to drag from one monitor to the other. [07:49] v4nelle (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:51] duthac (n=chatzill@2.219.68.216.DED-DSL.fuse.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009050419]" [07:52] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.54) joined ##slackware. [07:53] mrselfpwn, I'm not sure there is a way to do that. When using xinerama, both monitors look like one screen to the login manager. [07:53] mrselfpwn, Is the login window actually centered between the two monitors? [07:54] adamk_: yes [07:54] Odd... [07:54] Once you login, do windows maximize across both monitors? [07:54] it does take the resolution into account though it seems. [07:54] adamk_: no they do not [07:55] Which login manager is this? Apparently it's ignoring the monitor placement information from the xinerama extension. [07:56] adamk_: a certain game i play does though [07:56] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [07:56] slim login manager [07:56] I'd suggest checking with the developers of slim, then. [07:56] using nvidia-settings to set up the monitor placements [07:57] Hmmm... Each time you start up X, you use nvidia-settings? [07:57] "a certain game" = leisure suit Larry? [07:57] mrselfpwn, And what is the output of 'xdpyinfo -ext XINERAMA | grep -i head' ? [07:57] adamk_: i used nvidia-settings once to gererate my xorg.conf [07:58] head #0: 1280x768 @ 0,0 [07:58] head #1: 1680x1050 @ 1280,0 [07:58] Alright, so X is clearly conveying the correct placement information. [07:58] Slim is just doesn't use it. [07:58] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:58] and the game i suppose? [07:58] Sounds like you'll need to take this up with the slim developers or check the slim documentation. [07:59] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] is it possible to drag across multiple monitors without enabling xinerama? [07:59] mrselfpwn, No. [07:59] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:00] mrselfpwn: not with the current implementation of X [08:01] v4nelle (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:02] i'll keep fooling with the settings and see if I can make some progress with it. it's not slim i'm worried about to much as it is only a login manager that I don't "need" though the actually apps i run are my concern moreso. [08:02] As long as the apps and window manager are xinerama-aware (and nearly all are, slim is one of first I've heard about) they should work just fine. [08:02] rgouveia_ (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:02] It's possible that slim needs an --enable-xinerama option when compiling. [08:03] Or something similar. [08:04] i did have to manipulate the xorg.conf because my big monitor is on the secondary gpu output port, but i wanted it to show my fullscreen apps. though didn't want to put it on the first port because when i boot up i like the normal boot to go to my smaller more suitable monitor. [08:05] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:05] so to console my small monitor is default and to X my larger is the main monitor. [08:05] v4nelle (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:05] renee (n=renee@nat-resnet5.uwa.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427644.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:06] adamk_: how does screen, monotor, and device correlate to each other in xorg.conf? [08:07] anyone here does use pwm window manager? [08:07] the device i think specifys the actual gpu pot the monitor is on. [08:08] device specifies the card [08:08] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:08] s/specifys/specifies [08:08] mrselfpwn, Usually the device defines the driver and options for the GPU. The monitor section defines the properties of the monitor, and the screen section defines some combination of the two. I'm not particularly familiar with the specifics of the nvidia driver. [08:08] then theres the serverlayout section [08:09] Mind you, when using open source drivers that ship with Xorg, many/all of these sections can be skipped these days. [08:09] I don't even have an xorg.conf file on this laptop. [08:09] well, there is a device0 and device1. I only have one gpu card so nvidia apperently divides the outputs as device0 and 1 [08:09] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] mrselfpwn, Correct... Alternatively, you could have only one device section and use twinview instead of xinerama. [08:10] mrselfpwn, Though I doubt that will change anything in regards to slim. [08:10] rgouveia1 (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:10] How does twinview differ? I thought it was just to duplicate screen one on screen two. [08:11] Good Morning one and all. [08:11] No, it lets you control two monitors attached to one video card. It is remarkably similar to xinerama, but it will all you to use a compositing manager such as the KDE desktop effects or compiz. [08:11] With xinerama, compositing is not possible. [08:11] twinview is nvidia's own approach to dual monitor. if you got nvidia card, and two monitors, twinview will be probably easier and faster [08:12] twinview mode is the graphics card combining the two outputs so that the os can treat it as a single device [08:12] Hmm, maybe i'll try it again. For some reason long ago I couldn't use it, but maybe they fixed whatever the reason was in the later drivers. [08:13] mrselfpwn, Are you rotating any screens? [08:13] No [08:13] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:13] I don't even use compositing. [08:14] gaj (n=chatzill@vi154.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.18/2009090618]" [08:14] v4nelle (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:15] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:16] archiebe1edict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:16] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [08:17] hi [08:18] hi [08:19] hi [08:19] i've had 4 screens once, was really cool. [08:19] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [08:23] well, the twinview actually seems to be working well. Except for slim my other apps are respecting it. [08:23] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3d) joined ##slackware. [08:23] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-160-232.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:23] I'm not sure why I had to disable it before, though I know I did with this same setup. [08:23] the login manager might not be cooperative [08:24] if i ran slim in daemon mode would that make a difference? [08:24] I don't understand why a login manager even has a daemon mode. [08:24] rgouveia_ (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:25] xdmcp or whatever its called [08:26] for seperating the server and client components of x [08:26] Oh, i remember why I had to disable it before. The fonts would be either huge on the big monitor or so tiny you couldn't read them on the smaller monitor and dpi or nothing would fix it. That's why I started using Xinerama a long time ago. [08:27] It just works now, so I guess nvidia fixed it. [08:27] spook, kind of like pty? [08:28] and tty [08:28] mrselfpwn: uh... no. [08:28] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-160-232.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:28] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-160-232.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] for connecting to the x client and logging in over the network [08:30] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] oh i understand [08:31] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-134-249.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:31] yeah. [08:31] gnubien (n=e@237.242.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] x is counter intuitive, the part with the graphical interface is the server. [08:32] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.163.211) joined ##slackware. [08:32] hi there! [08:32] metrofox: hey! [08:33] metrofox: hello [08:33] yo spook & mrselfpwn [08:33] what's going on guys? =) [08:33] we were talking about you behind your back. [08:34] :O that's an interesting topic... [08:34] ;D [08:34] :P [08:37] actually i was just telling spook how x client works to log in over the network. [08:37] loooooool. [08:38] XD [08:40] that conversation was counter intuitive spook. ;) [08:40] mrselfpwn: thanks. [08:40] ahh i see. [08:41] spook: you're welcome [08:41] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] I was taking a look at FreeBSD, just getting a little more documented... [08:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [08:45] I was looking at the differences in different shells earlier. [08:46] ksh has many features. [08:46] mrselfpwn, yeah... I should get documented about that too... There are a lot of things I've to learn before =) [08:47] *fist(I know, my English sucks... :P ) [08:47] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:47] haha, i was wondering where you were going with that. [08:47] ksh is not so nice for scripting. [08:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:47] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:48] the ubuntu freezes on my laptop. so is fedora. any recommendation? for another distro? [08:48] it does support scientific notation which I thought was interesting. [08:48] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:48] meatburn: uh......slackware [08:48] heh [08:48] :) [08:49] meatbun, slackware ;) [08:49] meatbun: try minux [08:49] come on... i know u guys will say sometihing liek that [08:49] meatbun: slackware? [08:49] honestly.... give me something else.. [08:49] i don't like K stuff.... so i quit slackware [08:50] try asking on #someotherdistro [08:50] how about a kick to the rear [08:50] meatbun, slackware has different D.Es. [08:50] but it's worst when laptop freezes [08:50] meatbun: try gsb then [08:50] meatbun, you can choose fluxbox/xfce/windowmaker as default D.E... [08:50] meatbun: seriously, you might like sabayon. [08:50] oahong` (n=user@118.126.12.180) joined ##slackware. [08:50] alisonken1home, ah..... a worth a try-answer... [08:52] oahong (n=user@211.161.249.161) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:52] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [08:52] wait....... it reminds me of something else.... Go Os or something.. [08:52] meatbun: another possibility is gware [08:52] debian [08:53] mornin [08:53] Action: mrselfpwn lists a random distro. [08:53] bot gware and gsb are slackware based distros that use gnome de [08:53] distrowatch.org? [08:53] hi agentc0re [08:53] gsb isnt a distro afaik. [08:53] mornin alisonken1noc [08:53] mornin agentc0re [08:53] winter, yeah... distrowatch.. is a good place.... [08:53] mrselfpwn: yo [08:53] heheh [08:54] i think my lappy hardware is just sucks. that's why fedora and ubunut keep crashing [08:54] gotta be the sound card/all-in-one-modem... [08:54] meatbun: http://lmgtfy.org/?q=linux+distributions [08:55] sound card/all-in-one-modem? that does sound old. [08:55] winter, cool.. [08:55] slysir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:56] mrselfpwn: there was a sound card and modem??? [08:56] ! [08:56] ah.. it's call gOS... [08:56] old isa i think there was one. [08:56] winter, it's very hard to google. gotta click, gotta type.... [08:56] does he mean the modem made the call? [08:57] mrselfpwn: damn...i now realise when they say im too young ;) [08:57] 3 year old lappy. toshiba a105 s2001 model [08:57] meatbun: for an old laptop slackware and flux may be the ticket. [08:57] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-160-232.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:57] hitest: yeahhhh [08:57] The-Croupier: haha, how old are you? [08:57] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-160-232.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] how much RAM? [08:57] hitest: for a new laptop as well..they seem ideal [08:57] yep [08:58] hitest, no apt-get. and i have to compile alone-all-by-myself :( [08:58] apt-get? O.O [08:58] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:58] meatbun: slackware doesn't give you the option to apt-get yourself [08:58] what's apt-get? :smoking: [08:59] meatbun: it has got a very retarded gpu and i'd suggest using a xorg older than 1.6 [08:59] apt-get is like yum or rpm for redhat [08:59] apt-get off my system [08:59] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) joined ##slackware. [08:59] I know what apt-get is [08:59] later dude[s|ettes] [08:59] it isn't on slackware [08:59] bye [08:59] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) left irc: Client Quit [08:59] bye [08:59] metrofox, asked what is aptget [09:00] meatbun, we're joking, all we know what apt-get is ;) [09:00] you sure it wasnt irony? ;) [09:00] debian based package manager [09:00] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:00] lol [09:00] apt-get is like yum. it is not like rpm. dpkg is like rpm. [09:00] ha [09:00] hitest: please dont elaborate [09:00] i am in no mood for irony [09:00] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:00] Good Morning :) [09:00] spook, yes. [09:00] meatbun, you will :P [09:00] meatbun: it has got a very retarded gpu and i'd suggest using a xorg older than 1.6 [09:00] meatbun: i was just asking i dont know [09:01] hi gar0t0 [09:01] The-Croupier: I can't help myself. but,I'll stop now:) [09:01] heh [09:01] really, you come to ##slackware and ask what distro you should use? you serious? [09:01] hitest: i know thats why i tried to help you with that process [09:01] ty [09:01] slava_dp, situation looks like serious :P [09:01] he just wanted somebody to talk to. [09:01] :) [09:01] winter, u are referring to my lappy gpu? [09:01] hitest: np ;) anytime [09:01] yes [09:02] slava_dp, i used to run slackware... [09:02] oh [09:02] slava_dp: its like going to the public toilet and asking the guys in there which one to use ;) [09:02] use slackware 12.2 or debian lenny or anydistrowithxorg-server1.5 [09:02] LOL [09:02] awesome [09:02] hitest: i know [09:03] raelakoira (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:03] imagine the guys in the public toilet going.... use the tree outside..the one with the ubuntu label on it :p [09:03] Action: The-Croupier hides [09:03] The-Croupier: i'm not sure if that was the best analogy. [09:03] mrselfpwn: it works for people with IQ < 10 [09:03] * knows how to pee [09:03] i dont really want to run slackware again....hoping u guys can offer another alternative [09:03] Action: The-Croupier hides better [09:03] oh yes [09:04] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-140-18.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] touche [09:04] meatbun: try slamd64 ;) [09:04] its not called slackware if that helps [09:04] ha [09:04] meatbun: go away troll. [09:04] don't have amd x64 on lappy [09:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:05] meatbun: gtfo is my alternative to you [09:05] good ol celeron [09:05] Action: winter hides [09:05] Action: metrofox hides behind winter [09:05] Karu (n=alch@77-233-87-186.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Action: The-Croupier kicks metrofox in the ass hoping to get them both out :p [09:06] Action: metrofox immediately gets out :D [09:06] Action: slava_dp lofl's and watches from a distance [09:06] Action: meatbun goes to play tea-party by himself on bench #4 [09:07] if i didn't run slackware, i would probably use archlinux [09:07] Action: theblackbox looks on bemused and wonders what all this "lie nux" business is all about... [09:07] Action: hitest installs a point-and-click distro on meatbun's lappy [09:07] meatbun, I found another alternative... *bsd [09:07] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-140-18.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [09:08] hihi [09:08] gl [09:08] freebsd ftw [09:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:08] slava_dp vicariously gazes as he endulges his sence of humor and resonating loudly his delight. [09:08] sense [09:08] im installing that tonight..after slackware64 ;) [09:09] ok [09:09] Action: The-Croupier shuts up [09:09] i haven't been to sleep yet. [09:09] hitest, where is the mouse? [09:10] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:11] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.27) joined ##slackware. [09:12] welcome back mohaa [09:14] meatbun: mouse? the mouse is close to the cheese. [09:14] I go to bed now... I'm so tired.. :P See ya later guys ;) [09:15] later [09:15] oahong` (n=user@210.51.60.114) joined ##slackware. [09:15] meatbun: If you can't run Slackware, the next option for you would be Windows 7 from Microsoft, Inc. [09:15] rgouveia1 (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:15] The-Croupier: i think i lost iq points from the last 10 minutes of looking at this. [09:15] ha-ha [09:15] mingdao, i am running win7 rc. works great. [09:15] and thats where the conversation stops [09:15] then stick to it ;) [09:16] Action: hitest slams head into keyboard:) [09:16] i want dual boot [09:16] meatbun: post me an ISO on the interwub so I can d/l and use it, please! [09:16] win7 is great enough not to worry about slackware :P [09:16] meatbun: in English ... [09:16] hitest: dont you will look like meatbun afterwards [09:16] lol [09:16] freestyle (n=freestyl@250.Red-83-63-242.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] hello [09:16] agris: any software incompatibilities? Such as Adobe producst? [09:16] hello freestyle [09:17] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD8A52E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:17] meatbun iS Bill Gates just stopping by to screw with us. [09:17] mingdao, it works perfectly for him, so no issues [09:17] hitest: next time you hit your head on the keyboard put your head in a proper possition and youll get W in one eye and 7 in the other ;) [09:17] hehe [09:17] i try to install my sat card(skystar 2) and the dmesg print "i2c_core: exports duplicate symbol i2c_smbus_xfer (owned by kernel)" [09:17] haha... [09:18] meatbun, if you want to dual boot, may i suggest vista and win7 for you [09:18] W in one eye and 7 in the other ;) [09:18] hehe [09:18] The-Croupier: sounds like you have actually tryed that before lol [09:18] mrselfpwn: nope i just noticed it can work [09:18] haldir, hey i am not that retarded. not yet. maybe in two more weeks i will [09:18] Action: The-Croupier lmao [09:19] meatbun, well win7 and winxp then [09:19] it's you or us meatbun. someone will suffer though. [09:19] Action: hitest looks away and giggles [09:19] dos and dos [09:19] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [09:19] haldir: he said he is not that retarded...which part didnt you understand [09:19] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:19] haldir, what? i might as well wear my undies backward [09:19] mesa_booger (n=mesa_boo@unaffiliated/mesa-booger/x-2567591) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] The-Croupier, i am not convinced [09:19] haldir: me neither but thats besides the point [09:20] and i got proof for my statement [09:20] i thought perhaps it was the vista part that he was considering retarded, which would be true as well [09:20] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-160-232.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [09:20] hitest: The-Croupier is right ... I have a shot of him doing the headbang ... http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/Linux_images/head_bang_keyboard.gif [09:20] haldir: think better..look at the bigger picture [09:21] haha... [09:21] mingdao: lol [09:21] mingdao: lol [09:21] actually i did that at work one time. .. [09:21] haldir: you need more proof? [09:21] mingdao, now we know how The-Croupier looks. do you have a better resolution shot? [09:21] these people i have to deal with.. my gosh.. [09:21] I like to just throw the kbd up against an immovable object. [09:21] walls are good [09:22] meatbun: doesn't surprise me;) [09:22] no, meatbun .... sorry [09:22] i think the bigger picture is that someone comes on a slackware channel says he wants to dual boot but not slackware. i think dual booting windows would be suitable [09:22] i'm happy if my keyboard actually works from time to time. [09:22] :)) [09:22] slava_dp: i swear to god, im so close of doing that... and im at work atm [09:22] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-44.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] if using win7, why even dual boot.... virtualize! [09:22] haha.... mrselfpwn [09:23] haldir: yep...and the funny part is that none of the 2al Oses he wants to use is slackware [09:23] oh great, only meabun laughs at my jokes. [09:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [09:23] mrselfpwn: go check yourself.. have some sleep [09:23] mrselfpwn, oh, was that a joke? :) [09:23] actually it wasn't [09:23] agris, it's faster to dual boot. the virtualization part is just for marketing/sales [09:23] slava_dp: lol [09:23] so i take him as either a troll or a dimbulb [09:24] 79 dollar keyboard and works when it wants. [09:24] hey i can be both [09:24] true [09:24] which once again means he should dual boot windows [09:24] and gay at the same time [09:24] with windows [09:25] lol [09:25] meatbun, install slack, install win7, run loadlin. maybe. or better dualboot openbsd :D that would be a lot faster to get woking [09:25] i bet everybody just went /ignore meatbun [09:25] morning TwinReverb [09:25] hiya TwinReverb [09:25] so [09:25] mrselfpwn, The-Croupier hi [09:26] i am having my tea-party alone by myself, and u guys keep bothering me [09:26] mesa_booger (n=mesa_boo@unaffiliated/mesa-booger/x-2567591) joined ##slackware. [09:26] scroll up like 15 minutes back [09:26] oh, it's evening there. [09:26] wb mesa_booger ;) [09:26] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [09:27] thx buffer [09:27] don't scroll up if you value your sanity [09:27] buffer: i liked your other nick better...why did you change? [09:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:27] The-Croupier: to preserve my nick,reason is some one might steal it with help of freenode staff,it buffer is inactive ;) [09:28] buffer: its hard to link your nick to the previous one..to realise who you are.. after working for 8 hours and reading the above 10 minutes [09:28] TwinReverb: thanks for the info about the web cam recently. [09:28] mingdao, did your webcam that you bought work? [09:28] buffer: i dont get it..you have to nicks i suppose...that you use occasionally [09:28] TwinReverb: I am buying it via NewEgg and shipping to someone in the States. [09:28] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:28] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A574.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:28] oh [09:28] Action: meatbun is tired.... [09:28] mingdao, you never know, some of those foreign models may work on linux [09:28] Nick change: buffer -> init[1] [09:28] TwinReverb: She is a friend, and we sent her our old laptop; it's so she can Skype with us. [09:29] The-Croupier: happy ? :D [09:29] oh [09:29] Action: meatbun says goodbye to all these gay-assess in #slackware [09:29] relampagou (n=relamp@190.166.145.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:29] TwinReverb: Next time we're in the States, I will boot the laptop into Slackware 13 for her. [09:29] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] ok [09:29] TwinReverb: It is installed, but she has never used a computer. So I wanted her to have something where she could get help locally. [09:30] The-Croupier: did ya settle on smthing? [09:30] TwinReverb: So, I wanted to buy a webcam that would work in Slackware. [09:30] TwinReverb: I actually need to get one for this workstation. [09:30] ah [09:30] mingdao: doesn't HCL help you out ? [09:30] TwinReverb: We fire up Vista on the laptop when family Skype's us. :( [09:30] that's where he got the info init[1] [09:30] init[1]: Which HCL? [09:31] my review on linuxquestions.org [09:31] (their HCL) [09:31] init[1]: I am the maintainer of it. [09:31] Hardwaer com... list [09:31] ;) [09:31] hoo ;D [09:31] And that is why I contacted TwinReverb. [09:31] He has a review on someone's post, and all the reviews said that one worked well with Linux and Skype. [09:31] sing it with me: it's a small world after all ... [09:31] ooh, mingdao but any cam that works on linux kernel should work on slackware right? [09:32] init[1]: I am the LQ HCL maintainer ... give me a link to the one you menitoned please. [09:32] init[1]: should, yes [09:32] mingdao: you are what? [09:32] TwinReverb: We were just talking with a Chinese person about that today. [09:32] what is hcl? [09:32] init[1]: not yet.. [09:32] The-Croupier: I am a human. [09:32] oahong (n=user@118.126.12.180) left irc: Success [09:32] spook: harwaree compac... list [09:32] n00bfarm that [09:33] s/hardware/ [09:33] mingdao: apart from that [09:33] yes and that's why he found my review because i went to the logitech website to find ones compatible with linux and looked at them all on their linux compatibility matrix and then found the cheapest one at the computer [09:33] HCL = Hardware Compatibility List [09:33] oh. [09:33] mingdao, we must be talking chinese to init[1] [09:33] bah anyways whatever you get the point [09:33] TwinReverb: ;) [09:33] granted i don't know chinese either [09:34]  K-‡ [09:34] i hate you UTF people [09:34] I'm not from china :-/ [09:34] Me, neither. [09:34] TwinReverb: You don't use UTF-8? [09:34] but i have eaten at a chinese buffet express [09:34] no [09:34] i don't haven't enabled utf either [09:34] haldir: let's go!!! [09:34] s/don't/ / [09:35] UTF-8 is nice ... should be standard for those of us who use international forums, etc. [09:35] yea i mean on irssi [09:35] TwinReverb: You have no excuse for that ... shame on you! [09:35] TwinReverb: Are you not learning Korean at all? [09:36] there's nothing funny about chloROFLorm poisoning [09:36] yet you can't have manslaughter without laughter [09:36] Action: init[1] :D [09:36] ??? [09:36] mingdao, tell me when i have time [09:36] TwinReverb: 1/2 of you IRC time would be more than enough! [09:36] i'm on local leave this week ... vacation [09:37] TwinReverb: that would be 12hrs ;) [09:37] 12 hours a day, eh init[1]? [09:37] pfft whatever [09:37] public logs ... don't tell a fib TwinReverb [09:37] ;) [09:37] being online doesn't mean i'm actually awake and doing something [09:37] I do /lastlog TwinReverb in irssi and it floods my screen and slackware kicks me ;) [09:37] sometimes i forget to close xchat [09:38] mingdao: lol [09:38] TwinReverb: build a server and run irssi on it with screen and ssh in ... we'll never know where you are at any given moment [09:39] um ok [09:39] :D [09:40] If you spent half the time you chat in ##slackware on learning Korean, you'd be fluent in reading and writing by now. You're been there, off and on for what ... 5 years? [09:41] mingdao: do you know korean ? [09:41] No. [09:41] um seriously i don't have that much time [09:41] I don't live in Korea, either. [09:41] firedix (n=firedix@host195.201-252-177.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:41] mingdao: i was about to ask that tooo [09:41] I know some Korean people. ;) [09:41] I live in China. [09:41] I do speak and read and write -‡ ... Chinese. [09:42] mingdao: so you are a chinese ? [09:42] init[1]: no [09:42] ok understood :) [09:42] I am an Amurikan ... [09:42] china has strict internet policy ! [09:43] and? [09:43] Action: TwinReverb stabs init with a pair of chopsticks ... metal ones [09:43] that's why Xorg via ssh is so kewl [09:43] They limit us to 24 hours of internet use a day. :( [09:43] i mean how did they manage to allow you come here :D [09:43] dangit my lacie hard drive is dying [09:43] winter: Xorg via ssh? [09:43] mhm [09:43] TwinReverb: replace it with a Samsung [09:44] or Seagate, Hitachi [09:44] winter: vnc ? [09:44] so you caould use uncensored internet [09:44] oh well [09:44] init[1]: whatismyip? [09:44] dot com [09:44] winter: there is NO uncensored internet ... period [09:44] mingdao: no, i didn't ask that ! [09:44] Yes, I started the internet. [09:45] Action: TwinReverb stabs mingdao [09:45] come here = irc.freenode.net? [09:45] mingdao: yeah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzQs1HIkKNk [09:45] winter: Don't you know Al Gore started the internet to spy on us? [09:45] winter: YouTube is blocked by The Great Chinese Firewall [09:45] i wonder how do they manage to run their golden egg fire dragon blah firewall or netnancy on linux boxes ! [09:45] hey all, I'm trying to build a package from source so configuring the innards now.... it's asking me for a "CMD_IMAP" and a "CMD_IMAP_SASL" and has defaults of "/etc/init.d/courier-imap" and "/etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl" ... but I'm not using courier... I /think/ I'm using dovecot, am I right in thinking I point it to that instead, or is that not enough? i.e. courier != dovecot [09:45] i know that piracy will eat your children [09:45] some kind of chinese jokes? :D [09:45] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:46] mingdao: doesn't tunneling work ? [09:46] theblackbox: you are building what app? [09:46] know it's a pretty vague question, so not expecting much [09:46] ispcpomega [09:47] Action: init[1] goes for a coffie [09:47] theblackbox: http://isp-control.net/ ? [09:48] yes [09:49] there doesn't appear to be slackware specific installation instructions, but there are whispers on the forum that it installs well [09:50] slackbuild? [09:50] adeodatus (n=rm@92.84.25.251) joined ##slackware. [09:50] mingdao, ssh isn't afaik [09:51] renee (n=renee@nat-resnet5.uwa.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [09:51] ssh isn't what? [09:51] blocked [09:51] or is it? [09:51] theblackbox: using this source ... ispcp-omega-1.0.2.tar.bz2 [09:51] TwinReverb: how could they block ssh? [09:52] using iptables its 1 line [09:52] TwinReverb: they block websites, not services [09:52] spook: I think you need to rethink what we're talking about. [09:52] mingdao: nah, i don't. [09:52] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.45.38) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:52] adeodatus (n=rm@92.84.25.251) left irc: Client Quit [09:52] spook: A firewall for the country blocking internet websites is hardly capable of stopping every computer in the country using ssh. [09:53] oh of course not [09:53] mingdao, yep [09:53] adeodatus (n=rm@92.84.25.251) joined ##slackware. [09:53] ISPs do it all the time [09:53] and by PROTOCOL too, not just port [09:53] modifying the ispcp.conf now to bring it in line with slackware [09:53] adeodatus (n=rm@92.84.25.251) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:54] please don't PM me without asking first [09:54] TwinReverb: except you cant do that for encrypted packets [09:54] you would only have the header to work with [09:55] spook, dude the protocol is still shown [09:55] tell me how then they do it (and i'm not the only one to complain about this, by far) then if changing port doesn't fix anything [09:55] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.37.90) joined ##slackware. [09:56] i'm not saying china does it, i'm saying it's not hard [09:56] two minutes. [09:56] because (like i said) american ISPs do it all the time [09:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol#TCP_segment_structure [09:56] otherwise if mingdao can provide an IP and ssh account for me, i'll try logging in, we'll test the theory out first [09:57] i know how it's done, i don't need to be told [09:57] i'm saying filtering out ssh by protocol is not hard, can't be if american ISPs are doing it [09:57] racist =P [09:57] Action: spook quits the conversation in the face of people lacking networking knowledge [09:59] no, let's prove it [09:59] make me an ssh account over some dynamic port and we'll test it [09:59] i'm thinking your ISP probably blocks it already [09:59] my isp isnt stupid. [10:00] regardless, i can make you an account and you won't be able to log in here because this korean ISP blocks it [10:00] exactly [10:00] so either you're saying the chinese are stupid or lazy [10:00] your isp blocks ssh? what for? [10:00] arent those parts of the word behind like a country wide NAT [10:00] theblackbox: I'm still here ... d/l is really slow. [10:01] Action: TwinReverb has no clue [10:01] spook: not NAT.. just network peering is heavily restricted to government sanctioned connections and technologies [10:01] i have to go... ;) [10:01] thank you guys... [10:01] mingdao, n/p .... I'm beginning to think I don't have the setup here to test it, and don't want to test it on a live server, so trying to come up with alternatives [10:01] rgouveia_ (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:01] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-rxbcgkkhsucufbqu) left irc: "Page closed" [10:02] Zordrak: i would have thought at least an isp level NAT, due to population density and lack of allocated addresses [10:02] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:02] spook: theres still 423 million IPv4 addresses left... :) [10:02] Zordrak: so they won't run out next year? [10:03] 423,843,400 [10:03] 423,843,360 [10:03] 423,843,320 [10:03] heh [10:03] Zordrak: Shut the hell up [10:03] Action: mingdao grabbed those 40 [10:03] lol [10:03] currently 741 days to exhaustion... but that only at the current rate.. which is slowing [10:03] at 120 (ore more) a minute, they will [10:04] 10% or /8s are still unused [10:04] seeing how much trouble I have with ipv6 ... [10:04] *of [10:04] My server and home network is fully ipv6 [10:04] windows still? [10:04] 3.1 all the way! [10:05] Windows, Linux, FBSD [10:05] And OSX [10:05] sirmacik (i=sirmacik@host-86-63-158-4.nplay.net.pl) left irc: "leaving" [10:06] theblackbox: which Makefile did you use? [10:06] TBH its 50/50 whether the world goes mostly NAT first or mostly IPv6 first [10:06] needs US government intervention [10:06] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] mingdao, not done a make yet - still editing the ispcp.conf for my system setup [10:06] then where the US companies go (due to being forced) other countries' companies will follow [10:07] nothing needs US intervention [10:07] sirmacik (i=sirmacik@host-86-63-158-4.nplay.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:07] or UN intervention [10:07] TwinReverb: please don't PM me again ... [10:07] in terms of internet at least [10:07] um ok [10:08] corporate mass IPv6 adoption will only happen when its financially beneficial [10:08] ISPs arent doing it because they dont see that theyll get any return yet [10:08] I'll be moving my company over to ipv6 by the end of next year [10:09] our current business IP is only now looking into it because we and a couple of others have been harassingthem about it [10:09] Not really [10:09] honestly some of it is peer pressure [10:09] until they see IPv6 == Less lost customers or more new customers... its hard for them to justify [10:10] mostly its the networking specialists who are at that point at the moment.. [10:10] the wider eaching generalised ISPs just arent there yet [10:10] ipv6 is easier to work with than ipv4 [10:11] they know about this thing called ipv6... but need a push to learn and adapt [10:11] straterra: well i'm glad we agree on something [10:11] not to mention they need to reach a point where all their equipment will do IPv6.. our current ISP is doing a router upgrade program to allow them to provide it [10:11] Layer3 devices are like a lynchpin [10:12] All of the equipment doesn't need to support ipv6 [10:12] yeah [10:12] i would figure ISPs don't like upgrading stuff because it gets expensive [10:12] even our current WAN gateway device wont do IPv6.. i will replace it with pfSense or similar when thu time comes [10:13] TwinReverb: exactly... they have to prove to their finance managers that the money they spend will come back eventually [10:13] the fact is, the isps will eventually have the equipment because manufacturers are supporting it [10:13] spook: right... but it takes time to pervade the market [10:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Action: init[1] interesting [10:13] Zordrak: but eventually :) [10:13] s/pervade/saturate [10:13] and everyone is just sihtting back and waiting [10:14] TwinReverb: beh [10:14] Only two things will make it go any faster. Consumer demand (ie voting with your feet) or government intervention. [10:14] the latter wont happen [10:14] thank God it won't [10:15] Zordrak: do mind if i pm you ? its for that co-lo thingy [10:15] the former isnt going to happen in sufficient quantity [10:15] so its just time [10:15] we don't need more taxes spent on some clowns somewhere who sit at a desk making phone calls that do no good [10:15] init[1]: make it quick [10:19] theblackbox: strange ... I see that in 2008-02-07 * Added: Slackware documentation -- but there doesn't seem to be any now, nor a mention or removing it [10:19] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:26] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:26] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:27] theblackbox: going back to your original question, and reading the INSTALL docs, you are required to Install the Courier IMAP server. [10:27] theblackbox: as well as remove Sendmail so Postfix will be the default MTA. [10:27] mingdao, ahhh... I'm looking through the docs myself and this was also my conclusion [10:27] sure this isn't from the devil? [10:28] yes, I use postfix though [10:28] lol [10:28] theblackbox: oh, sorry ;) [10:28] theblackbox: doesn't look that difficult if it matches with your system [10:29] theblackbox: for me, it would mean somewhat of a rewrite of what I have installed, and how I use those services [10:30] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:30] Courier IMAP? *groan* [10:30] Alan_Hicks: I like courier IMAP [10:31] theblackbox: But if it is basically compatible with what you have now, reading Debian, CentOS, Gentoo INSTALLs should give you enough info. [10:31] Alan_Hicks: bit of a pain to set up, but worth it [10:31] no, but it's the sasl stuff I'm struggling to get my head round... I'm not sure what to do as I sure as hell could do with avoiding Courier IMAP seeing as how I've got it all working fine and dandy through postfix/dovecot [10:31] theblackbox: I have a real problem when reading such as: yum --enablerepo=remi update php* [10:31] postfix/dovecot is the way to go. Courier IMAP sucks fat donkey balls. [10:31] Alan_Hicks: meh. It works for me. [10:31] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@200-158-10-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Alan_Hicks, that was my understanding, but I'm less than versed in these worlds [10:32] theblackbox: What are you trying to accomplish here? [10:32] mingdao, yes I know, it's a little ikky ;) [10:32] Alan_Hicks: he's trying to setup ispCP Omega [10:32] http://www.isp-control.net/ [10:32] I'm wanting an opensource alt to cPanel so I can shop some of my server to some friends who can't deal with c/l [10:33] this seemed like a good option, but I'm open to suggestions [10:33] couldn't find anything on sbo, but I might not have looked hard enough [10:33] What is it supposed to do? [10:34] I want them to be able to configure some of their personal settings, webmail, ftp, those basic things [10:35] COuld use phpmyadmin, but I'm not found of any of those sorta things. [10:35] spook, sorry to sound like a jerk earlier, but now you see my frustration (granted it's always been like this on every ISP since about 2006) [10:35] stybla_ (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] theblackbox: What exactly does CourierIMAP have to do with that? [10:35] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:35] ssh no workie on any port for me OR my friends (to/from personal/home ISP accounts) [10:36] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:37] I'm leaning more and more towards just setting them up with a page of links pointing to phpMyAdmin and postfix.admin with one or two others if you have any recs [10:37] Alan_Hicks, yeah good point, I guess it's just a standard they chose to accept for the mailserver config [10:38] that said, a nicely integrated solution would be nice.... but if it's a headf*ck I just can't be arsed with it [10:39] theblackbox: I can't make any recommendations. [10:40] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:40] n/p appreciate the input none the less [10:41] freestyle (n=freestyl@250.Red-83-63-242.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:41] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) joined ##slackware. [10:42] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-1-133.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:43] anyone willing to proofread a document for administering the linux public computer that i set up? [10:43] i'm hoping that this document is idiot-proof (or as close to that as possible) [10:44] TwinReverb: sure! [10:44] shall i/ [10:44] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:44] TwinReverb: catch me tonight [10:44] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:52] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [10:53] slackie_ (n=slacker@87.196.139.71) joined ##slackware. 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[10:57] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@200-158-10-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:58] jhw (n=jhw@p548F7858.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:59] i guess i could use <2048 [10:59] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:01] 9mins [11:01] ShamwowVideoProf (n=neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] how do you decompress a slackbuild in command line? [11:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:01] its a .txz or .tgz [11:01] i cant do it [11:03] tar zxf, tar xJf, tar xf, etc all dont work. please help [11:03] ShamwowVideoProf; http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto/ [11:03] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] which version of slakware are you running? [11:04] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Client Quit [11:04] frotz47 (n=matthew@cpe-74-65-160-125.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:04] and last I checked, you need to put a dash in front of the options - like "tar -xvf " [11:05] alisonken1home: Nope [11:05] is lua not working with 13.0? [11:05] ShamwowVideoProf: maybe if you told us WHY it didn't work [11:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427644.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:05] straterra: i cnat find the right syntax [11:06] "This does not look like a tar archive" or whatever [11:06] straterra: when did that change? I remember us talking about not needing to specify decompression [11:06] alisonken1home: its been that way for a while [11:06] k [11:06] ShamwowVideoProf: then read the manpage [11:06] i did [11:06] too long [11:06] you could just tell me so i could go [11:06] or you could just go now [11:06] not without help [11:06] :) [11:06] I could..or you could just look it up yourself [11:06] check out the link above [11:06] i did [11:07] ok ill go to the link [11:07] Want me to wipe your ass too? [11:07] and? [11:07] yes please [11:07] which version of slackware are you using? [11:07] make you nice bottle? [11:07] yes [11:07] i want all that [11:07] #ubuntu has all of that [11:07] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [11:07] hahaha! [11:07] kk ttyl all [11:07] ShamwowVideoProf (n=neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:07] ShamwowVideoProf: what part of the how to is unclear? [11:07] ShamwowVideoProf: which version of slakware are you using (for the fourth time) [11:07] That was easy [11:07] duh [11:08] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Why doesn't that always work [11:09] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.160.52) joined ##slackware. [11:09] is lua broken on 13.0? [11:09] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:11] frotz47, no [11:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [11:12] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.163.211) left irc: "+-||\-" [11:12] okay [11:12] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:12] just having trouble with configure scripts finding it... [11:13] adeodatus (n=rm@92.84.9.103) joined ##slackware. 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[11:20] to watch what the user did? [11:20] the user is locked out of LOTS of stuff [11:20] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-77-111.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] TwinReverb: if smthing goes wrong [11:21] these people don't have forensic skills [11:21] you can track the cause [11:21] stybla_ (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] i'm afraid to say it but they'll probably just put windows on it (again) [11:21] i won't be here [11:21] ooh, [11:22] neonflux: /usr/local [11:22] TwinReverb: this usually happen,at my place too [11:22] i hate it when my efforts are wasted on the "Press any key to boot" cd :-/ [11:23] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [11:23] i meant windows installer :) [11:23] Action: TwinReverb shrugs again [11:23] you do what you can [11:23] Action: init[1] ok [11:23] Action: init[1] no more shurgs ;) [11:23] frotz47: I asked *when* and not *where* it was installed. On 13.0 lua was broken from slackbuilds.org due to it not linking to the appropriate libraries [11:23] TwinReverb: can you major in forensic skills at the college of hard knocks? ;) [11:23] neonflux: oh, when not where... I put it in yesterday 5.1.4 [11:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:23] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:23] you can lead a horse to linux and free it of m$ but you can't make it not reinstall m$ [11:23] Is there a graphics program I can use to check performance? glxinfo looks normal but I'm having poor performance with Quake Live [11:23] EKayFive (n=Paz@70.233.173.180) joined ##slackware. [11:24] gnubien, not if their ISP blocks incoming ssh [11:24] its fixed now: try here ---> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/lua/ [11:24] TwinReverb: good point [11:24] this has worked for me [11:24] me and spook just tried it, nothing from the states is getting in, and i was in DMZ on router with no tcp_wrappers or firewall going [11:24] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-160-52.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:24] neonflux: great, thank you [11:24] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: "leaving" [11:25] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "gtg" [11:25] EKayFive (n=Paz@70.233.173.180) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:25] frotz47: what are you planningon using LUA for? graphics stuff? [11:25] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-173-180.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-62-232.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:27] esoteric: ToME scriping [11:28] kiyoura_ (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [11:28] frotz47, cool. thought it might be something like that. [11:28] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Cryp71c, What GPU? [11:28] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-18-103.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:29] Cryp71c, Openarena has a decent benchmarking demo. [11:29] frotz47 (n=matthew@cpe-74-65-160-125.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [11:29] adamk, Radeon Mobility [11:30] Well that encompasses a wide range of cards :-) [11:30] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-5-124.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:30] However, if it's an IGP card, there was a bug in recent Mesa releases that really negatively impacted performance. [11:31] IGP? [11:31] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] lspci reports: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3470 [11:32] Cryp71c, OK, so that's not relevant. Did you install the proprietary drivers? [11:32] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-173-180.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [11:32] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD8A52E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-173-180.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] adamk, as near as I can tell there is no longer proprietary driver support for the mobility series [11:32] Yes, yes there is. [11:32] Cryp71c, All HD cards are still supported. [11:32] macius (n=macius@i209-195-109-39.cia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:33] Hrm, I don't recall if I've done that. I know I've been messing with this for - arguably - weeks now [11:33] If you want to use open source drivers, you will have to grab some code under heavy development that is still somewhat buggy and not really optimized. [11:33] Cryp71c, Pastebin the output of 'glxinfo' and I can let you know. [11:34] taht's wierd. glxinfo was reporting back fine before, now it says Error: unable to open display [11:35] you can't run glxinfo as root? [11:35] You're not running it as root, are you? [11:35] yeah I was :P [11:36] adamk, http://paste2.org/p/458636 [11:36] slackie_ (n=x@87.196.233.185) joined ##slackware. [11:37] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-173-180.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] The mobility radeon 3470 isn't on ATI's list of mobility radeon drivers =\ [11:37] Generally speaking you can't run X applications as a different user than the one logged into X. It's possible, but requires some xhost magic. [11:37] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-173-180.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:37] OK, you don't have the drivers installed. [11:37] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) left irc: Success [11:37] I see x1800 down to x300 and then 9800, 9700, and 9600 [11:38] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Just select regular radeon and pick the HD 3*** series from the drop down. [11:39] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-168-88.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] adamk, I'm pretty sure I did try that driver once before, but it made things worse? IDK maybe I did it wrong. [11:41] They should definitely work. I'm not saying they will work (obviously every setup is different so something could go wrong) but they are supposed to support all HD cards, including the mobility ones. [11:41] re :) [11:41] would writing to hfs+ volumes work? I thought it wouldn't but I've seen messages on the internet saying it worked [11:41] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-168-88.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:42] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-168-88.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] adamk, how can I check my version of XOrg? I triex X -version but I don't think that's it. [11:43] stybla_ (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:43] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:43] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-168-88.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:43] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-168-88.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Camarade_Tux, write support is now not marked "EXPERIMENTAL" in the kernel [11:43] meaning it's probably considered stable enough now [11:43] TwinReverb: \o/ [11:43] s/is now not/is no longer/ [11:43] gbowden (n=gbowden@239.Red-83-38-55.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Action: TwinReverb chops off Camarade_Tux 's hands so now he's doing iOi [11:44] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] is it enabled in slackware13? [11:44] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-168-88.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] gbowden (n=gbowden@239.Red-83-38-55.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] just kidding [11:44] TwinReverb: these ioi? 'IOI - International Olympiad in Informatics' [11:44] ? [11:44] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Camarade_Tux Linux vaio 2.6.31.3-slap #2 SMP Fri Oct 9 00:05:31 KST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [11:44] Paz_ (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-154-24.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Cryp71c: Xorg -version [11:45] as of 2.6.31.3 (unless i didn't notice in a previous kernel release) [11:45] the newfirewire stack is also no longer marked "EXPERIMENTAL" [11:45] TwinReverb: I was wondering whether I had to recompile a kernel or not, it would be for an atom netbook ='( [11:45] i should have my buddy format a USB stick HFS+ [11:45] that would take hours [11:45] esoteric, erm, isn't the current version of xorg like. 6+ or 7+ ? xorg -version reports: X.Org X Server 1.6.3 [11:45] Camarade_Tux, do it overnight then [11:45] TwinReverb: :) [11:46] TwinReverb: I've recompiled a kernel on an eee, took almost all the battery life :P [11:46] Camarade_Tux, or you could use distcc [11:46] but for that netbook, I can probably make a smaller kernel [11:46] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-173-180.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:46] TwinReverb: I thought about cross-compiling it [11:46] bleh [11:47] I'll have to install a toolchain... [11:47] wait, that won't be a problem ^^ [11:47] I'll probably go that route but only when I get physical access to the machine ^^ [11:47] actually I'm really tempted to do it remotely ^^ [11:48] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-19-254-30.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:48] honestly, if you can, i recommend the following: download and unpack linux source tarball, cp generic-smp config to .config in the build directory, then "make oldconfig" and for everything you see, either choose an option for those with multiple choices, otherwise pick "M" if it exists (for module) or go with the default (Y/N) [11:48] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] then make menuconfig, set ext4 or whatever your root FS is to <*>, specify your cpu (if it is shown) and if your cpu can be specified, disable GenericX86, set compile for size, etc, hack away [11:49] then set to compile overnight (one thread per cpu) [11:49] slackie (n=x@87.196.139.71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] nah, that's *far* too safe, I'll use 2.6.32-rc3 (actually git) and do everything by hand :D [11:49] Action: Camarade_Tux has compiled hundreds of kernels (really) [11:49] you crazy G.I. [11:49] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:49] you worry me long time [11:50] veritos (i=80d0019e@gateway/web/freenode/x-rbgmqrohkxfmpfol) joined ##slackware. [11:50] TwinReverb: ^^ [11:51] Paz_ (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-154-24.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:51] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-19-254-30.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Paz_ (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-154-24.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] adamk, muwahaha, last time I didn't follow the setup configuration to configure the driver for my particular card. [11:52] Cryp71c, Xorg is the server. The versions you're referring to are for the X11 window system... ls /var/adm/packages/x11* [11:52] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:52] Cryp71c, It's working now? [11:52] Cryp71c, ^ you'll find the version numbers you were expecting [11:52] adamk, http://paste2.org/p/458674 [11:53] okay, so I'm not going to install Courier and fanny around with an already working mailserver just so I can get an untested/untried package to install.... that's my final decision [11:53] adamk, havn't tried QL yet. [11:53] Action: theblackbox is beginning to make sense [11:53] Cryp71c, It should perform much better. [11:54] veritos (i=80d0019e@gateway/web/freenode/x-rbgmqrohkxfmpfol) left ##slackware. [11:54] sooo, anyone know of a open source cPanel alternative that I can have a look at? just not finding something that is manageable [11:55] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:55] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] adamk, indeed, it works very well. [11:57] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rangotime" [11:57] theblackbox, terminal works very well :P [11:58] its very open source [11:58] =P if it were up to me that would be all I ever needed [12:00] e01_ (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] e01_ (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. 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The last time I tried it in a VM, I had mouse issues that I never did figure out, but the times before that I've used it, it's really nice. [13:02] y0 channel [13:02] y0 slackytude [13:02] fire|bird: cool :), [13:02] hossa fire|bird [13:02] Action: adamk_ primarily uses FreeBSD on his desktops. [13:02] my icalender app is rocking now! [13:03] but somehow timezones get displayed wrong [13:03] adamk_: what DE do you use on freebsd ? [13:04] deco, Depends on my mood :-) I switch freely between KDE4 and xfce4 primarily. Sometimes gnome. [13:04] does FreeBSD's gnome use pulseaudio? I've never used gnome in freebsd. [13:05] adamk_: cool, :) i might give it another try on hardware when i get a ethernet cable :) [13:05] an* [13:06] And, of course, sometimes I just prefer the simplicity of fluxbox or windowmaker. [13:06] Zordrak: halp! xbmc wont start because it seems to think i dont have a compatitible driver [13:06] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [13:07] spook: upgrade your mesa package to version 7.5.1 [13:08] fire|bird: hmmmm i would think so ?...it's a gnome thing to have it isn't it ? [13:08] i tried it on vm with gnome but never played audio.. [13:08] neonflux: fo srs? [13:08] deco: the latest gnome anyway, yeah. I ask because I don't like pulseaudio. :P [13:08] fire|bird: same here :P [13:08] I'm not sure when pulse became a gnome default thing, but argh. :P [13:08] spook: the default Slackware 13.0 glxinfo doesn't work with XBMC. [13:09] fire|bird, It does start pulseaudio, but I'm not sure if that's the only option. [13:09] there is an update for glxinfo [13:09] adamk_: Ok, thanks. [13:09] spook: Pat upgraded it in current so now it is no longer a symlink and the actual file is installed [13:09] deco: oh nvm archlinux uses pulseaudio for gnome... [13:09] neonflux: oh yay [13:09] so it's not a gnome thing [13:09] deco: you're talking to yourself now? [13:09] its in /patches for 13 as well [13:10] fire|bird: OMG [13:10] ... [13:10] fire|bird: i don't know what to say.... [13:10] thanks guys :) [13:10] np [13:10] deco: haha, as long as you don't start answering yourself, you should be alright. [13:10] fire|bird: k :) [13:10] 10:38 < deco> deco: oh nvm archlinux uses pulseaudio for gnome... [13:10] neonflux, spook there should be a patch for 13 [13:10] init[1]: ok.... like an hour later.. [13:10] deco: ;) [13:10] time to rsync... [13:11] init[1]: .....get back to work [13:11] Action: init[1] back to work [13:11] :) [13:12] have you ever used openbsd? [13:12] nope but i liek their songs :P [13:12] like* [13:12] Action: esoteric laughs condescendingly [13:13] hello, deco [13:13] Action: esoteric listening to Sonic Youth [13:14] esoteric: hi, hmmmmm cool :P [13:14] esoteric: they are famous for their guitar feedback :P [13:14] deco: they were innovators ;) [13:15] deco: saw them in concert a few months ago -- they are awesome [13:16] you guys sure about those packages? [13:16] esoteric: oh nice :) [13:16] spook, pretty much, why? [13:16] rsync with osoul didnt pull them down [13:17] Sat Sep 19 17:16:06 CDT 2009 [13:17] x/mesa-7.5.1-i486-1.txz: Upgraded. [13:17] Fixed install script to add glxinfo and other programs that were part [13:17] Channel flood from slackytude -- kicking [13:17] of previous Mesa patches. [13:17] slackytude kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [13:17] haha [13:17] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75C50.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/mesa-7.5-i486-2.txz [13:17] oh wait there it is [13:17] wb slackytude [13:17] bah [13:18] damn linebreak [13:18] lol [13:18] slackytude: you should know by now not to disrespect slackboy's authority. :P [13:18] fight the power! [13:18] lol [13:18] look, I did only 3 lines. there was a line break in them tho [13:19] I know, j/k :) [13:19] s/fight the power!/fight the deco's/ [13:19] ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA [13:19] haha [13:19] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [13:19] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [13:20] If you are using closed source drivers, though, and install that mesa update, you will need to reinstall the drivers. [13:20] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] fire|bird, you try vbatts 4.3.2 yet ? [13:20] fire|bird: don't hate... [13:20] Scuzz: On my laptop, yeah. [13:20] nice and stable still i take it ? [13:20] what does vbatts do? [13:21] build kde packages [13:21] :) [13:21] lol [13:21] yeah [13:21] esoteric: yeah saw them in denver a couple months back doing "The Eternal" [13:21] amazing gig [13:21] ah heh. thought that was an app: vbatts version 4.3.2 [13:21] .... [13:21] giuppy (n=giuppy@host11-170-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:21] haha [13:21] heh [13:22] noobfarm [13:22] mancha: nope, just kde 4.3.2 ;) [13:22] yes please [13:22] Action: slackytude is too lazy [13:22] whats the kde that comes with 13? [13:22] slackytude: i'll do it ;-) [13:22] Action: BP{k} recompiles vbatts-4.3.2-noarch-2 ;) [13:22] deco, ^-^ [13:22] deco: you're turn to submit to noobfarm ;) [13:22] mancha: 4.2.4 [13:22] howdy BP{k} [13:22] vastina: yes. amazing. one of my all time favorite bands. [13:22] yes \o/ [13:22] fire|bird: howdy :) [13:22] mancha, 4.2.4 [13:22] ah ok. and i take it it's made a nice improvementfrom 4.2.x to 4.3.x [13:22] did I mention that timezones suck? [13:22] Action: vastina plays "The Diamond Sea" [13:22] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:22] anybody tried compiling boxee? [13:23] mancha: so they say. ;) [13:23] mancha: yes, very much so. [13:23] esoteric: yeah, they had hendrix in their fingers when i saw the gig with my lady, completely blown away... been a fan for well over a decade [13:24] fire|bird: what was that fix for flash/firefox keeping crashing you had for your laptop? [13:24] removepkg flash-plugin? :> [13:24] what band? [13:24] slackytude: Sonic Youth [13:25] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:25] good guitars, you say? [13:25] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:25] mancha: :) [13:25] slackytude: leave it there, i appreciate their tune, not out to make comparisons [13:25] :) [13:25] BP{k}: let me know how that compile works out for you, i'm still trying to work out the kinks ;) [13:25] I shall check [13:25] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [13:25] has anyone tried gnash recently? i did ages ago and it was still flaky [13:25] BP{k}: This is where I found the fix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8070856 An Ubuntu account is needed to get the file though. If you're interested at all, I can upload the file somewhere. [13:26] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:26] slackytude: get the tune "Sunday" by them [13:26] Action: slackytude nodss [13:26] slackytude: fire|bird submitted \o/ [13:26] I met the boys in #physics and I tell them about tlpd.org they told me about Feynman Collection which is 3.2GB or reading :S , I hope those boys are just smarter that us [13:26] deco: \o/ [13:26] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.14) joined ##slackware. [13:26] hello, isn't xorgconfig script available on slackware 13.0? [13:26] slackytude: also listen to "Sugar Kane" [13:27] woah, ubuntu has closed r/o to their forum until you register? lame. [13:27] wtf slackpkg, why arent you seeing theres a newer mesa? [13:27] neuro_sys, Nope. Use xorgsetup or 'Xorg -configure' [13:27] fire|bird: thanks, got it. :) [13:27] neuro_sys, xorgconfig has been dropped upstream. [13:27] Action: mancha wonders is bugmenot will add ubuntu after the NYT entry [13:27] adamk_: thanks, I'll do. [13:27] BP{k}: yw :) [13:27] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [13:27] anyone know a good httpd slackbuild? =( need to rebuild with mod_suexec [13:28] slackaaaaaa (n=slack@d51A497BF.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [13:28] spook, blacklist? wrong mirror? [13:28] esoteric: Silver Rocket? [13:28] theblackbox: source/n/httpd ? [13:28] slackytude: hmmm [13:28] :) [13:28] httpd comes with slackware, therefore, any slack mirror will have the slackbuild. [13:28] BP{k}, forgot about that [13:28] jesus BP{k} [13:28] slackytude: not blacklist... [13:28] hi. any nice graphical html editor, for slack? [13:28] how did you get the right Dir so quick [13:28] vastina: been a fan since Daydream Nation album [13:28] Scuzz: He's fast as lightning. :P [13:28] lol [13:28] Scuzz: I just know :) [13:28] slackaaaaaa, quanta [13:29] slackytude: hurrr, mirror -_- [13:29] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: Client Quit [13:29] BPk was kung fu fighting... [13:29] spook, ^-^ [13:29] esoteric: been a fan since bad moon rising [mum got me into them when i was tiny] [13:29] vastina: silver rocket is cool [13:29] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.163.211) joined ##slackware. [13:29] hi there! [13:29] Scuzz, due to a 1:50 blood to caffine ration BP{k} is no longer considered mortal and cannot be understood by mere humans [13:29] vastina: that's awesome! [13:29] hahah [13:29] y0 metrofox [13:29] speaking of [13:29] i need a refill [13:29] lol [13:29] slackytude, i dont seem to find a good version of it. it's supposed to be inside kdewebdev package - package i already installed, but its not/. [13:29] theblackbox: hahaha. c[_] ~~~~~~~ [13:29] vastina: i've listened to them since Sister, though [13:30] lol [13:30] yo fire|bird =) [13:30] ciao deco [13:30] im finally gonna go 64 bit [13:30] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:30] fire|bird: I created a ubunto forums account when I needed the 64bit windows drivers for my laptops wireless card. [13:30] 96% complete [13:30] esoteric: "Schizophrenia" is a great tune off Sister [13:31] slackaaaaaa: quanta isn't fully ported to kde4 yet. You'll need kde3's kdewebdev for that [13:31] and Pacific Coast Highway [13:31] BP{k}: Ah, cool. I have one from a number of years ago when I used Ubuntu. [13:31] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:31] slackaaaaaa, yes, it used to be in kdewebdev. not sure it is in 13 anymore [13:31] /usr/bin/quanta [13:32] "( cd /usr/bin && ln -s /usr/bin/gvim quanta )" ;) [13:32] quagga! [13:32] vastina: would you concur that these are some other good songs for slackytude to get a taste from: Schizophrenia, Tom Violence, Teenage Riot, Dirty Boots, Sunday, Disconnection Notice [13:33] fire|bird: interested in checking out a boxee.SlackBuild? [13:33] neonflux: sure [13:33] vastina: PCH is one of my favorites and one I want to hear live badly [13:33] yban (i=1001@89.189.87.60) joined ##slackware. [13:33] nah, pprkut's right, quanta's not installed on kde4. btw, pprkut, you wouldnt happen to have a repository where i could get it? the ones on kde website seem to be broken (all of em:/) [13:33] fire|bird: I'm still working on it...lots of issues right now [13:33] esoteric: excellent arrangement, I'd add Sympathy for the Strawberry, Karen Koltrane, and Karen Revisited [13:33] vastina: when I saw them a few months ago they played Cross The Breeze -- amzing! [13:34] otherwise concurred naturally [13:34] fire|bird: When I get it working I'll let you know :) [13:34] vastina: ;) [13:34] slackaaaaaa: repository of what? [13:34] fire|bird: much harder then xbmc [13:34] vastina: I love the guitar sound in Karen Revisted [13:34] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] oh yeah [13:34] neonflux: lol, I've read about boxee, I had never tried building it though. [13:34] pprkut, one containing that package [13:34] Nick change: SIGBUS_ -> SIGBUS [13:35] Murray Street was brilliance [13:35] vastina: did they play Cross the Breeze at your show? [13:35] fire|bird: pain in the arse!!! :) [13:35] yban (i=1001@89.189.87.60) left irc: Client Quit [13:35] vastina: I love Murray Street [13:35] slackaaaaaa: kde3 packages for 13.0 are in Unsupported, but don't have a link right now [13:35] nah, they did play Silver Rocket and Sunday though... and accented the riffs enough to make my spine go jell-o [13:35] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [13:35] /usr/share/xbmc/xbmc.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [13:35] URH [13:36] neonflux: haha [13:36] vastina: if they come back to the rocky moutain area we should hit the same show - lol [13:36] where are you? [13:36] and damn right we should [13:36] pprkut, ok, i'll have a look. thanks [13:36] i'm going to see the upcoming pixies gig next month at the fillmore [13:36] slackaaaaaa (n=slack@d51A497BF.access.telenet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [13:36] bbiab [13:36] spook: which xbmc slackbuild are you using? [13:37] installpkg mysql.... [13:37] vastina: I love those guys [13:37] latest one posted to the sbo list [13:37] oh [13:37] spook: running -current? [13:37] pprkut: yes. [13:37] esoteric: you're in this beautiful range? [13:37] vastina: I just pm'd you [13:37] spook: compiled on -current as well? [13:37] got it [13:38] pprkut: yes :) but not since i just upgraded mesa [13:38] will that make a difference? [13:38] spook: you sure you haven't upgraded mysql as well? [13:38] oh yeah it just did :S [13:38] brb i suck cocks [13:38] -current should have .so.16 now :) [13:39] pprkut: you part of the Slackware dev team? [13:40] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] neonflux: nope [13:40] just a mere user :) [13:40] pprkut: just asking...I've seen your name in the Changelogs before [13:40] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:40] after installing the new mesa package should i just reinstall the nivida drivers or build them again ? [13:41] deco: slackbuilds? [13:41] pprkut: yeah [13:41] hiya [13:41] bdiamond (n=bnguyen@113.22.110.61) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:41] neonflux: you'll have seen my name in there :) [13:41] neonflux: I send mails every once in a while, and some end up with me being in the ChangeLog. But that's the same for everyone else sending mails to Pat [13:42] is there a command to know touchpad type? [13:42] pprkut: hmmmm nvm i'm gonna use the closed source ones... [13:42] deco: nvidia-switch --nvidia [13:42] bdiamond: problems with x? [13:42] deco: that's all you need after updating mesa with nvidia-driver installed [13:42] pprkut: ok thanks ! :) [13:42] spook: yeah i cannot use my touchpad, maybe lack of driver. so i want to know its type first [13:43] bdiamond: but keyboard is working? [13:43] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] spook: yes [13:43] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [13:43] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:45] bdiamond good chances its synaptics? [13:46] pprkut: do you plan on uploading pybluez from your git repo to SBo? [13:46] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [13:46] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [13:47] yay xbmc works now ! \o/ [13:47] thats a good idea, git repo for slackbuilds [13:47] neonflux: eventually, yes. If you have a use-case for it, it might speed up the process ;) [13:48] pprkut: In my xbmc slackbuild the optional wii controller needs pybluez [13:48] pprkut: but, otherwise, no [13:49] sirmacik (i=sirmacik@host-86-63-158-4.nplay.net.pl) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] sirmacik (i=sirmacik@host-86-63-158-4.nplay.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:49] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [13:49] neonflux: wheres the other end of the iphone remote control? [13:49] spook: not sure what you mean? [13:49] nvm [13:50] neonflux: heh, guess that's why it worked fine for me when I built it with wiimote support enabled ;) [13:50] I'll wrap it up and submit it later today [13:50] pprkut: it only needs it for a runtime dependency [13:50] ah [13:50] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3d) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:51] if you run 'import xbmc.bt.bt' it will error out at the python prompt saying it needs pybluez or lightblue [13:51] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:3d) joined ##slackware. [13:51] well, would be good to note that in the README anyway [13:51] also, lightblue depends on pybluez as well [13:52] I did note it in the last update [13:52] haha, so "we need pybluez or .. pybluez. Gotta choose.." [13:52] not as a runtime/build time dependecy...but just as a dependency [13:52] bdiamond (n=bnguyen@113.22.110.61) left irc: "leaving" [13:52] neonflux: ok then, I haven't had a look at the latest build yet [13:53] pprkut: yup [13:53] man xbmc is awesome [13:53] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.84) joined ##slackware. [13:53] No manual entry for xbmc [13:54] elbeardmorez_ (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] just an FYI to everybody...I may have put together the slackbuild to build XBMC...but I'm not a very good resource to actually using it! :) [13:55] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:55] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [13:55] neonflux: first time i built using your latest, for whatever reason it didnt execute makepkg [13:56] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:56] neonflux: it's ok, that happens sometimes. You'll get used to it ;) [13:57] spook: yeah, there may be issues with it. That's primarily why I wanted to get some people to test it as it is too big for me to run every test case. [13:58] Nick change: sirmacik -> pomysl [13:58] spook: hopefully, most of the nasty kinks have been ironed out. [13:59] Nick change: pomysl -> sirmacik [13:59] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:59] [OT] Must read! http://ssh.shellium.org/~buffer/The_Dangers_of_Software_Patents.pdf [13:59] Nick change: sirmacik -> pomysl [14:00] Nick change: pomysl -> sirmacik [14:00] how much swap should i allocate for 2GB of RAM on a Laptop ? Why ? [14:00] razel: what are you doing on the machine? [14:01] Nick change: sirmacik -> pomysl [14:01] everything that can be done. [14:01] from gaming to writing in vi [14:01] and converting videos [14:01] razel: just use a swapfile :) [14:01] in other words, im looking for the best performance [14:01] moovies (n=moovies@190.94.93.176) joined ##slackware. [14:02] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Nick change: pomysl -> sirmacik [14:02] slackaaaaaa (n=slack@d51A497BF.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [14:02] say, you wouldnt happen to know the exact location of qt headers? [14:02] Nick change: sirmacik -> pomysl [14:03] linuss (n=Linus@198.84-49-167.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] slackaaaaaa: /var/log/packages/qt* will know [14:03] spook: isnt that slower than a swap partition ? [14:03] razel: i dont know, maybe. [14:03] hmm, I read that Eric S. Raymond focus on the pragmatic, he wanted to earn money with open source program, beside that any other good reason? [14:04] razel: i dont think you'll need swap. [14:04] and i also heard that suspend function uses the swap space [14:04] spook, it gives me permission denied [14:05] slackaaaaaa: less /var/log/packages/qt4* [14:05] linuss: read that pdf extarct ,you will understand it, :) [14:05] maybe i should still allocate 2 GB [14:05] razel: its up to you. [14:05] razel, hibernation (suspend to disk) will use a swap partition. suspend to RAM obviously doesn't. [14:05] s/extarct/extract/ [14:05] cool [14:06] init[1] link? [14:06] http://bit.ly/nQiNZ [14:06] i guess ill stick to 2 [14:06] linuss: ooh you came in late i guess! [14:07] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-253-47.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [14:08] thanks [14:08] slackaaaaaa (n=slack@d51A497BF.access.telenet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [14:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-105-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Bonsoir, hello [14:10] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [14:11] hi fredoslack [14:11] Hi firedix [14:11] =) [14:11] fire|bird, * [14:11] lol [14:12] fredoslack: salut [14:12] Yep deco =) [14:13] thank you xbmc, in trying to quit, YOU SHUT DOWN MY MACHINE' [14:13] Nick change: pomysl -> CzarnoBrody [14:13] Nick change: CzarnoBrody -> sirmacik [14:13] yay! 2.6.32rc3git1 + nvidia + vbox working fine \o/ [14:13] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:14] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:14] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:14] spook: hahaha [14:14] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:14] spook: I had that experience as well :/ [14:14] mikl0 (n=User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:19] SEGFAULTS GALORE [14:21] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] Nick change: sirmacik -> CzarnoBrody [14:23] Nick change: CzarnoBrody -> sirmacik [14:24] seems to segfault every 3 minutes [14:25] Karu (n=alch@77-233-87-186.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [14:27] mikl0 (n=User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [14:28] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:30] yay more segfaults [14:30] hmm.... can I format 3 partitions on the same drive all at once? all ntfs? =S [14:30] that was a particularily bad one [14:30] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-purhrhssngfcpchu) left irc: [14:31] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:39] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Client Quit [14:40] Action: init[1] huh! all the channels are idle [14:41] Action: init[1] switching to #ubuntu for entertainment [14:41] hahaha init[1] ftw [14:41] Lord_Khelben: ;) [14:41] happy birthday init[1] ! [14:42] quasar: happy bday ? [14:42] pupiteee (n=p@89.216.70.39) left irc: "Leaving." [14:42] yep, its your birthday.. and I'd bet you didn't even know it, did you?\ [14:43] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [14:43] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:43] quasar: no,my bday is on xxx xx but not today ;) [14:43] ah, alzheimers is kicking in earlier than expected for you, I see :\ [14:43] really unfortunate. [14:44] quasar: o_O [14:44] Action: init[1] goes checks his bday date [14:45] /window 14 [14:45] oops [14:45] fail [14:45] /window 14 [14:45] FAIL [14:45] grrrrr [14:45] I was just told by someone "I work for the fedral gov and if its not a mac and not unix its not secur" .. (he was claiming to work with NASA, and those typos are his spellings, not mine) [14:45] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:46] lol [14:46] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] hahahahaha [14:46] Tomorrow morning NASA crashes a rocket into the moon [14:46] sweet [14:46] yep yep [14:46] y'all hear about the huge ring around Saturn? [14:46] Action: deco uses nasa launch theme for firefox [14:46] The Moon is Waning Gibbous (78% of Full) [14:46] take that moon! [14:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [14:47] lol [14:47] They are gonna broadcast the crash on NASA TV, around 7:30 AM or so. [14:47] quasar: saturn just got married to pluto :D [14:47] O.O [14:47] I call bullshit on that ! [14:47] init[1]: Who attended the wedding? [14:47] not me [14:47] pics or it didn't happen. [14:47] Saturn was previously married to Uranus. [14:47] urg xbmc segfaults too many times [14:48] spook: It doesn't here at all, you fail. :P [14:48] < quasar> y'all hear about the huge ring around Saturn? [14:48] fire|bird: 64bit? [14:48] init[1]: that actually IS true. [14:48] init[1]: its true. [14:48] spook: yeah, on my laptop. [14:48] init[1]: something like a billion earths could fit in it [14:48] fire|bird: hmmm, why is it segfaulting for me? [14:48] doesn't like ya [14:48] I don't know. strace it? [14:49] i'll sleep on it [14:49] When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried. [14:49] i'm tired. [14:49] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] so sleeping, plus its 3am [14:50] the flash plugin for 64 bit slackbuilds fails to install for me [14:50] did you change the arch to x86_64? [14:50] Scuzz: congrats, want a prize? [14:50] sure [14:50] brb other computer [14:50] /Downloads/flash-player-plugin/install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory [14:50] Scuzz: why not use the one in extra/ [14:50] spook: where are you from ? [14:51] hrm [14:51] i didnt know there was one in extra [14:51] Scuzz: that's not a 64bit flash tarball. [14:51] thanx fire|bird [14:51] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] yw [14:51] bolide (i=1000@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] yeah i know fire|bird [14:51] *yawn* [14:51] deco: your mum [14:51] morning people [14:51] morn' [14:51] y0 Urchlay [14:51] spook: :O [14:51] Scuzz: if you can adjust with no sound in youtube you can use gnash [14:51] hey asynchronism|accumulates [14:52] err Urchlay [14:52] thanx init [14:52] lol [14:52] slackytude: did you listen to any of those songs? [14:52] Scuzz: i wasn't joking :) [14:52] esoteric, the sonic stuff? yeah [14:52] slackytude: and? like or lame [14:52] lame [14:53] Action: esoteric rolls eyes [14:53] Action: fire|bird rolls ears [14:53] I have difficult tastes [14:53] wow that's tricky [14:53] haha [14:53] slackytude: all good [14:53] coz I is sophisticated and shit [14:53] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] esoteric: lol [14:54] slackytude: huh, that's weird -- most sophisticated people i know like it [14:54] never liked that british style [14:54] oh well [14:54] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [14:54] cant argue about taste [14:54] no you can't [14:54] well, I lied, I aint sopisticated [14:54] but I can argue that's it's not british [14:54] lol [14:55] and yet, so many people manage to make a sucsesful career of that. ;) [14:55] true [14:55] soda|bastion [14:55] 99% of all "news" stations today [14:55] slackylister [14:55] yes, smegger? [14:56] goalpost head [14:56] nostril man [14:56] hm, that'd be an extra-cheap costume, just put a plastic H on my forehead [14:56] oh and i've uploaded the 4.3.2 i686 packages just now http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.2/ and rsync://cardinal.lizella.net/vbatts/kde4-packages/4.3.2/ [14:56] need a space fleet uniform as well [14:57] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:57] vbatts: awesome, are they too based on -currents qt? [14:57] I'll beat up the doorman at the Hyatt, his uniform looks like it belongs on a low-budget TV show [14:58] SIGBUS (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:58] vbatts: thanks!!!!!!!! \o/ [14:59] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:00] whats better ext3 or ext4 ? why ? [15:00] google^ [15:00] lol [15:01] really [15:01] razel: gonna ask my cat right now [15:01] razel: damn it i can't :( [15:01] MEOW [15:01] razel: i don't have one ... [15:01] Action: init[1] hey kitty kitty [15:01] fire|bird: kitty! [15:01] what a pussy. [15:01] lol [15:01] hahaha [15:01] razel: get a quarter or other coin, get a sharpie marker. Write ext3 on one side and ext4 on the other. Flip the coin. [15:02] cool. [15:02] \o/ [15:02] Do you like your data? If so..don't use ext4 [15:02] what about jfs ? should i use that with ibm latops ? [15:02] lol^ [15:02] haha [15:02] :) [15:02] fat16! [15:02] jfs is a robust filesystem [15:02] deco: This one's perfect for you (from fortune) F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm! [15:03] fire|bird: lol [15:03] fire|bird: I should get a bumper sticker of that, stick on my car [15:03] so which filesystem is the fastest [15:03] jfs is very nice fs but doesn't get much light. ext4 is also very good [15:03] Urchlay: yeah, that'd be cool. [15:03] razel: no fs if fastest on all workloads [15:04] no fs is. [15:04] Urchlay: or, "F u cn rd ths u r drvn 2 clse" [15:04] ext4 is a piece of shit [15:04] ext4 is crap [15:04] razel: it depends on type of data you use, [15:04] movies, dvds, games, text files, everything [15:04] how is ext4 bad? [15:04] ext4 is as bad as early reiser [15:04] I've had it kill two root partitions [15:04] slackytude: it pacman's on data [15:04] this doesn't count as an argument but i never had any problem with ext4 [15:04] slackie (n=x@87.196.152.163) joined ##slackware. [15:05] razel: speed isn't really a scalar quantity. One fs might be faster when dealing with large files but suck for small ones... one might be fast at reading, slow at writing, or maybe it's fast until the disk gets 90% full, then slows to a crawl... [15:05] reiser ? they still have that i tought he got hit by a train [15:05] the "delayed allocation leaves zero-sized files" is the same as xfs and as every other fs [15:05] Urchlay: where could i see a table of these differences? [15:05] eh, no, hans reiser is in prison for murder [15:05] Lord_Khelben: recently, I had a suspend/resume failure kill X; hard-reboot consumed all of / [15:05] never had problems with ext4 or reiser.... [15:05] if that happens on JFS, it WILL recover [15:06] early reiser was horrendious [15:06] thrice`, ouch [15:06] dous^? [15:06] thrice`: sorry to hear that. ext4 should recover too [15:06] ext4 is hungry..very hungry [15:06] i had reboots with ext4 and didn't have this problem [15:07] i've been on ext4 since it was released as stable, no problems either [15:07] razel: I dunno, there are a few of them out there if you search on google [15:07] Lord_Khelben: of course it should; every FS should :) I've heard a similar story from 2 other (intelligent) linux guys [15:07] I dunno [15:07] razel: ext4 is still "new" so a lot of the pages you'll find won't mention it [15:07] i count as non-intelligent ? :( [15:07] jfs is my fs of choice if I need 'normal' performance..XFS for battery backed high performance applications [15:08] about each and every FS you hear the same horror stories [15:08] Lord_Khelben: no, I mean, two other buddies have had ext4 failures [15:08] i used jfs some time ago and it was great but i moved to ext3/4 because of lvm [15:09] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) joined ##slackware. [15:09] if jfs/xfs were able to shrink they would be great [15:09] properly plan and you wont need to shrink o.O [15:09] thats why i use lvm. so that i don't need to properly plan :P [15:10] actually i do some planning, but things (and needs) change [15:10] xfs seems to outrank the others [15:10] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] and jfs [15:10] HP-UX can shrink JFS [15:11] Action: init[1] jockey too [15:11] xfs will nomnomnom on your data if you don't have a UPS too [15:11] isn't that a different jfs ? [15:12] Newer version of JFS [15:12] JFS isn't a Linux originating FS..all of our AIX boxes run it..with great results [15:12] i had the impression it was some proprietary version [15:12] yes. wikipedia says its some version of veritas [15:12] wtf is ups [15:13] It's JFS 3.3..Linux runs JFS 2 [15:13] razel: google? [15:13] 2 many tabs [15:13] runing out of memory [15:13] you know what "wtf" is, but not "ups"? [15:13] Then get more memory [15:14] anyway. i hope i don't find out what thrice and straterra says [15:14] united postman service [15:14] wrong [15:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] United Parcel Service [15:16] lol [15:16] hehe [15:16] United Borked-My-Shit Service is more like it :\ [15:16] i dont get it [15:16] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:16] razel: for what domain have you google ups ? [15:16] razel: you don't get what [15:17] s/google/googled/ [15:18] Action: deco needs to listen to more gothic power metal [15:21] Action: Lord_Khelben sends to deco a dvd-audio and 2 beer barrels [15:21] Action: deco doesn't drink [15:21] but thanks Lord_Khelben anyway :) [15:22] how can you listen to metal and not drink :P [15:22] bah, songbird isn't working and I forgot the option to add to fix it: Could not initialize GStreamer: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal [15:22] [Nobody] (n=BomberBa@user-54464f96.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:22] hackedhead: songbird hahahahaha [15:22] fire|bird: * [15:22] grrrr tab fail [15:22] you didn't even start with the right letter. [15:22] you FAIL [15:23] keres_ (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] fire|bird: shuddap [15:23] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] you first [15:23] Lord_Khelben: hmmmm i never attended teh parties ok ? :P [15:23] johny-b-goode (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-229-245.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] the* [15:23] [Nobody] (n=BomberBa@user-54464f96.lns3-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:23] hey slackers. [15:23] hello johny-b-goode [15:23] AHHH, it's [Nobody] [15:23] does anyone have a good recommendation for a cli media player? [15:23] fire|bird: ohgod [15:24] johny-b-goode: mplayer? [15:24] johny-b-goode: mpg321 and mplayer [15:24] mplayer and that's it [15:24] best damn cli player [15:24] preferrably one that can play internet radios plus media player and manage libs too. [15:24] DN having some issues [15:24] free sat untill they fix it [15:24] I like mplayer. [15:24] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-105-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Anyone know of an app to grab album art, aside from amarok, etc.? [15:24] I should have said console based mplayer. [15:25] something along the lines of Finch as an IM client. [15:25] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl9-166.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "back in a hour" [15:25] fire|bird: be a man and download them via browser [15:25] shaddup [15:25] johny-b-goode: cmus ? [15:25] deco: lol. [15:25] caio: cmus? googling. [15:26] fire|bird: do you want me to track your dependencies too ? [15:26] lol [15:26] ohgodno [15:26] especially not you. [15:26] fire|bird: audacious [15:26] init[1]: doesn't fetch em [15:26] fire|bird: my favorite,i think it has plugin [15:27] let me check [15:27] init[1]: I'm mainly looking because amarok isn't grabbing them, exaile grabs them but doesn't put them in the individual Music folders as a .jpg [15:27] caio: perfetto. thanks. [15:27] johny-b-goode, Italian? [15:28] fire|bird: i thought amaroke worked for you :P [15:28] no [15:28] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:28] amarok* [15:28] not anymore [15:28] any more [15:28] metrofox: if I only have to speak wors popular in the U.S. like perfetto or bellisimo then ok. Otherwise, no. :) [15:28] fire|bird: told you the amazon api changed [15:28] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-105-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:28] shaddup [15:28] moovies (n=moovies@190.94.93.176) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [15:28] fire|bird: no bird is gonna make me shaddup [15:29] lol. [15:29] johny-b-goode, you really say perfetto or bellissimo? :P [15:29] deco: wanna bet? [15:29] fire|bird: bingo! [15:29] fire|bird: i have no money... [15:29] init[1]: It does, really? [15:29] in need of a cat though... [15:29] fire|bird: jukebox can fetch for you ! [15:29] metrofox: no but these are words known in the U.S. So at times or extra importance some people will say it. [15:29] *of impo.... [15:30] init[1]: that's an audactious plugin? [15:30] audacious [15:30] johny-b-goode, I didn't know that, thank you friend ;) [15:30] though you will have to load the whole mp3 or ogg or whatever to juke box and configure it t [15:30] fire|bird: huh! its in kde [15:30] metrofox: :). [15:30] check that in multimedia [15:30] i made up my mind [15:30] init[1]: oh yeah, I know which one now, thanks. [15:31] inititally it was jfs vs xfs vs ext3...now im at jfs vs ext3.. and i think jfs is the winner [15:31] fire|bird: that will fetch it,and fill the folders with album art [15:31] maddslacker (n=corey@63.150.163.134) joined ##slackware. [15:31] metrofox: so are you Italian? [15:31] perfect, thank you. :) [15:31] Camarade_Tux: you there?????:) [15:31] guess not :/ [15:31] fire|bird: i owe you for *all-tray* [15:31] johny-b-goode, yes I'm... I'm speaking from Palermo [15:31] init[1]: :) all-tray is awesome. [15:32] fire|bird: indeed my irssi is a tiny guy now in my sys tray :) [15:32] I'm running slack64 and I followed alienBOB's multilib how-to, so far, so goo, but I'm trying to install Rigs of Rods that requires 32bit liblua [15:32] fire|bird: what's that all-tray you speak of ? [15:32] Action: maddslacker loves alltray! [15:33] deco: a handy little app that can pretty much dock anything to the system tray. [15:33] deco: its meant to minimize the apps that can't minimize to system tray [15:33] fire|bird: init[1] k [15:33] is there a way for me to use the liblua slackbuild but build it into 32bit lib? [15:33] aah,fire|bird said it! [15:33] deco: eg : TB [15:33] slackie (n=x@87.196.152.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] deco, it's an amazing little too [15:33] metrofox: I had an Italian roomate in college. But someday I hope to visit. [15:33] *tool [15:33] nice [15:33] maddslacker: indeed [15:34] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:34] where can i get that much loved all tray ? [15:34] deco: SBo [15:34] deco: alltray.sourceforge.net [15:35] i've got it in my repo [15:35] johny-b-goode, Italy is beauty to visit but maybe one of the worst countries to live, here in Palermo especially... :) [15:35] thre's a slackbuild for alltray, I thought [15:35] winter: link ? [15:35] fire|bird:isn't jukebox working ? for you [15:35] metrofox: worst to live? why? [15:35] debian.org [15:35] deco: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/alltray/ [15:35] esoteric: thanks! [15:35] init[1]: yeah [15:36] Action: init[1] \0/ [15:36] metrofox: it's supposedly a fun idea to get there and just stay for a while.... even if overstaying the visa. And just enjoy the place and work for a while. [15:36] winter: hmmmm you're gonna get a spanking.. [15:36] a monkey? [15:36] johny-b-goode, well... corruption... nepotism... and I'd add something else. [15:37] metrofox: nepotism? Just marry someone important. problem solved. :p [15:37] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.95.84) left irc: "Leaving." [15:37] johny-b-goode, no... I don't wanna walk that way, that's wrong... ;) [15:38] metrofox: lol, it's not wrong. It's maybe compromising a little. I know what you mean tho. :) [15:38] wow alltray is awesome [15:38] alltray? what is alltray. [15:38] johny-b-goode: read above :) [15:40] metrofox: oh one other thing: Laura Pausini is pretty cool. [15:40] johny-b-goode, that's a good solution but there are a lot things which don't work here... For example, corruption... [15:40] alexzyp (n=ping@58.254.92.222) joined ##slackware. [15:40] metrofox: I bought one of the albums and later realized it was spanish version. It didn't sound like Italian but I couldn't tell the different until later. [15:41] johny-b-goode, Laura Pausini? Oh God... Do you know her? :P That's not my kind of music... I hate her! :P [15:41] alexzyp (n=ping@58.254.92.222) left irc: "leaving" [15:41] johny-b-goode, just listen to PFM ;) [15:41] metrofox: i love her :P [15:41] deco, you too... So she's really important as people say :O [15:41] metrofox: nek :P [15:41] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:41] any thought on my 32bit build? or could someone running 32bit compile it for me and send me the lib? [15:41] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:41] metrofox: laura non c'e [15:41] deco, laura non c'è, è andata via... :P [15:42] metrofox: i love that song :P [15:42] metrofox: you ? [15:42] metrofox: I heard e ritorno da te on line when my brother was playing it. [15:42] deco, I gate that :P [15:42] metrofox: lol :P [15:42] *hate [15:42] :P fire|bird [15:42] I'm alternative, you know Fabrizio De André? [15:42] metrofox: no :P [15:43] :p [15:43] deco, eheheheheh... He's a poet, really important for Italy, more important than Laura Pausini & Nek... [15:43] deco, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO4lOukYjBQ take a look there... [15:43] metrofox: well, I like her voice and I listen to a lot of music. And playing along some songs is pretty fun. [15:43] :p >> this symbol is our main theame to be a expert that show you are the expert and others are not [15:43] metrofox: thanks ill listen to that later :) [15:43] so who is PFM? [15:43] init[1]: Hmm, it found the covers, but afterwards, they aren't in the music directories. :P [15:43] metrofox: solo un italiano.... you know that song ? :P [15:44] deco, no... :P [15:44] yeah :P [15:44] johny-b-goode, PFM is one of the most important Progressive Rock all around the world(they're also known in Japan) ;) [15:44] I'm sure every one knows boys boys boys the top italian pop music export. [15:44] they came in US different times ;) [15:45] Italian band? I'll google. [15:45] you mean exploit the music player using music files :p [15:45] macilious music [15:45] I listen to metal, heavy metal, power metal, and all those quite a bit too. But there's music for all moods. [15:45] johny-b-goode: i love power metal!! [15:45] kamelot!!!! [15:46] I wonder why you boys have too much kiddie tendencies [15:46] :P [15:46] darn, now boys boys boys will be stuck in my head all day.... ALL DAY!!!!! [15:46] johny-b-goode, :P [15:46] deco: \o/, I found where amarok stores it's album art, I can use that. :D [15:46] deco, are you listening to De André? [15:46] hrad_ (i=4e88ac36@gateway/web/freenode/x-qlzlmzhoefwamzvb) joined ##slackware. [15:46] deco: I've been listening to Skillet and Fireflight quite a bit in power metal / alternative metals.... [15:47] hey, I have 13.0 64bit identically installed on two machines [15:47] fire||bird have too much fire , metrofox is too much foxy init[1] is interrupting always who else in ##slackware [15:47] metrofox: in a sec.., oh i found the name of the singer i had in mind he's called toto cutugno [15:47] metrofox: l'italino the song [15:47] on the first one, the loading of booting image last allmost 30 sconds [15:48] brb lunch [15:48] on the second one it's in a second [15:48] what might be the reason ? [15:48] more over the first one is quatro core [15:49] deco, aaaaahhhhh yeaahh... [15:49] metrofox: I used to listen to Tan solo Tu a lot by NEK and LP. Don't know any other NEK stuff. But the song had a decent guitar line. [15:49] I know that song, lasciatemi cantareeee :P [15:49] johny-b-goode, I know nothing about NEK... :D [15:50] but you know that song? [15:50] you're betraying your alternative metal roots, buddy. [15:50] johny-b-goode, no I know just a song... Laura non c'è... :P [15:51] metrofox: what does that mean? Laura non c'e... ? [15:51] maddslacker (n=corey@63.150.163.134) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:51] keep in mind I don't speak Italian. other than ciao, pronto, etc.... [15:51] Laura non c'è = There's no Laura [15:52] lol. but she sang for the pope. He would disagree.... [15:52] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [15:52] how do you say, For Shame! in Italian. [15:52] Vergogna :P [15:52] I'm sure I can't pronounce that. [15:53] Vèr-go-gna ;) [15:53] gna = nia? [15:53] as in lasagna. [15:53] nooper, gna = gna... Lasagna is pronunced lasagna and not lasania ;) [15:53] hrad_: the difference between "#compact" and "compact" in your /etc/lilo.conf ... [15:54] in Italy I mean... hi alienBOB ;) [15:54] in the U.S. we say Lazania. [15:54] is that wrong? [15:54] johny-b-goode, yes it is wrong... :P you should say: Lasagna as it's written.. [15:54] s = s and not z [15:55] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:55] but that sounds wrong!!! lasaGna? [15:55] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:55] but it is your language after all.... :) [15:55] johny-b-goode, that sounds good instead :P [15:56] johny-b-goode, yeah... But I prefer English :P [15:56] so LP is a big pop singer? is that why she's popular around the world but not in Italian metal community? [15:56] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [15:56] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:57] hm. Does the ZZ = TS pronunciation (like "pizza" or "mozzarella") even really exist in Italian? [15:57] johny-b-goode, yes it is :P [15:57] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [15:57] pizza comes out sounding like peet-sa in the US [15:57] metrofox: so is italia uno still a tv channel? Own by berlusconi probably.... [15:57] alienBOB: do I need to add a line with compact ? [15:57] best pizza I had was in Malta. [15:57] Remove the # in front actually hrad_ [15:57] cause there is no #compact in the file [15:57] Urchlay, yes ZZ = TZ(a little longer and harder) ;) [15:58] And then run "lilo" of course [15:58] in US you say pizza good, and mozzarella too... [15:58] alienBOB: and I don't think there was any [15:58] lilo? ewwww!!!! [15:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Italian [15:58] hrad_: in Slackware, there is always [15:58] hrad_: you _are_ running Slackware? [15:58] johny-b-goode, berlusconi has: Rete 4(4 Channel), Canale 5(5 Channel) and Italian uno(6 channel) [15:58] johny-b-goode: and are _you_ running Slackware? [15:58] metrofox: that as good :) [15:59] lol he has uno? I used to watch uno and the "5" channel lot. [15:59] alienBOB: I have slackware running on a different machine. Not this one. It's mid configuration. I'd like to configure KDE stuff and install more items. [15:59] alienBOB: of course, but I can swear that I haven't modified it...if I didn't touch it now, the time of the installation would be on the file [15:59] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [15:59] alienBOB: and it does has lilo. I just hope I can move it to grub if lilo becomes troublesome. [16:00] TO me lilo has never been troublesome [16:00] deco, those televisions are free, they're good... I feel good with Mediaset ;) [16:00] alienBOB: it hasn't to me either. I just don't know it enough and it seems strange as such. [16:00] fire|bird: qt-4.5_0bd8418-i486-1 [16:00] there's a bar called "Mazzy's" here, and a guy I know who pronounces it "Mat-sees", which is wrong and makes me want to strangle him after he's said it 8 or 10 times... [16:00] alienBOB: but the second slackware (quick loading) is the RC version [16:00] vbatts: ok, thank you. :) [16:00] Strange, why? If you do not "know" it... [16:01] ok, thank you..no need to think about it [16:01] alienBOB: don't know it. seems alien. no pun intended. Overtime it will be normal app. [16:01] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [16:01] metrofox: oh sorry bad typo, i ment the video you sent me was good [16:01] hrad_: try adding a line "compact" somewhere at the top and see if that speeds things up [16:03] Urchlay, :D mazzy's = mazz(harder)y's; deco Fabrizio De André is one of the most important poets in Italy but today young people don't know him... His music is alternative and that's not accepted by them [16:03] alienBOB: I added it at the end and it says Syntax error at or above line 68 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' :) [16:03] metrofox: today Italian main culture is pop music? [16:03] adult contemporary? slow pop? [16:04] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] alienBOB: it's ok when it is at the beginning [16:04] thanks [16:04] johny-b-goode, yes it is, but if you don't listen to that music you'll be considered as different ;) And I feel good :P I go out with motorhead shirt :P [16:04] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-179-38.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] johny-b-goode, techno music, disco music(also called "House")... Those kind of music are the most known here =) [16:05] metrofox: interesting stuff. I guess that's all places tho. popular music is the broadest appeal mucic. [16:05] metrofox: huh. This place is a sports bar, they drink weak american beer and watch weak american football, and pronounce the ZZ like a Z [16:06] metrofox: my band does trance music. :) [16:06] lol [16:06] metrofox: I play both trance/house and rock music guitar driven. [16:06] as a musician I listen to a lot of styles of music. :) [16:06] Urchlay, no... When ya see 2 Z you should say that harder... =) [16:07] johny-b-goode, yeah that's interesting, ya see the most important thing is to know all kind of music.. =) [16:07] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] is there a fast avi to flash encoder? [16:08] or anything to flash [16:08] metrofox: I guess someday I'll visit. If I do, I'll keep my wallet in my front pocket while walking thru rome. [16:08] like, really fast [16:08] will definitely try renting and riding a vespa. [16:08] mencoder maybe, or ffmpeg or transcode. I dunno if they're fast enough for you [16:09] johny-b-goode, bad experiences in Rome? [16:09] riding a vespa is the most italian thing you can do :D [16:09] metrofox: no, people always say tourists get pickpocketed in rome. [16:09] slackytude: like real-time fast? [16:09] metrofox: riding a vespa and may having some gelato.... [16:09] Urchlay, suppose I want to run an app inside an decidated X-server and want to have the screen recorded, so I can view that stream in a browser [16:10] johny-b-goode, that's true, in Palermo this situation is worse... [16:10] slackytude: hm. Errr, there's some app on SBo that'll do that, I fail completely to remember what it's called though :( [16:10] metrofox: why there's is vespas and gelato on every street? [16:10] ok,i have a question [16:11] Urchlay, ah, dont tease me like that [16:11] [OT] how is neighbour spelled in uk and us ? [16:11] without the u in U.S. [16:11] echtts (n=echtts@201-27-188-205.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:11] echtts (n=echtts@201-27-188-205.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:11] we don't believe alphabets in the U.S. [16:11] johny-b-goode: lol [16:11] johny-b-goode: ah ty [16:11] :) [16:11] esoteric, seen my question to Urchlay ? [16:12] hrad_ (i=4e88ac36@gateway/web/freenode/x-qlzlmzhoefwamzvb) left ##slackware. [16:12] slackytude: affirmative [16:12] johny-b-goode, there's always a vespa and gelato(ice cream ;)), and because that's Italy tradition =) [16:13] slackytude: look at XVidCap [16:13] LordAnta (n=wacky@188.27.105.29) joined ##slackware. [16:14] metrofox: to the locals it seems "worse". to the tourists it's amazing. lol [16:14] esoteric, thx [16:15] slackytude: np -- you might also want to look at vnc2flv [16:15] johny-b-goode, if you come in Palermo, and you walk the streets alone in the old streets(the historic center) [16:15] somebody might beat you [16:16] why would that happen? [16:16] johny-b-goode, ignorance, poverty, mafia [16:16] slackytude: I noticed alienBOB has slackbuilds for both of those [16:17] metrofox: but I'll wear a LP shirt. [16:17] she's an Italian darling. [16:17] esoteric, nifty, thx [16:17] np [16:17] people will appreciate my appreciation of their pop star. [16:17] johny-b-goode, Laura Pausini is not a charm... :P there are teenagers who don't read... [16:17] johny-b-goode: LP? [16:18] NM ^ [16:18] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.224.44.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] esoteric, Laura Pausini(in Italian singer) ;) [16:18] calopteryx (n=caterpil@83.173.146.253.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] calopteryx (n=caterpil@83.173.146.253.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:18] metrofox: lol. ok how do I say, "But I'm Italian!" in italian so they thing it's alright. [16:18] and they don't read because they don't want... But they don't know how to read... [16:19] johny-b-goode, I'm Palermitan... Once they beat me [16:19] that sucks. [16:19] metrofox: and why did you get beat up? [16:19] 'til breaking my nose... Luckily there was a friend of mine in front of me who helped me... [16:19] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:19] johny-b-goode, who knows... There's no reason... [16:20] they just stop you, they ask you if you can give them money... And once you finish to give them money they just beat you... [16:20] that sucks. [16:20] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/sanzilla) left irc: Success [16:20] LordAnta (n=wacky@188.27.105.29) left irc: "BitchX Official FTP Site -- ftp://ftp.bitchx.org/" [16:20] how about soccer. I'll wear a roberto baggio t-shirt then. lol [16:20] sometimes they're children... But they're armed with knife... [16:21] johny-b-goode, Roberto Baggio is great :P He's one of the most important Italian soccer ever! [16:21] man, I was heartbroken in '92 (right?) when Italy lost to Brazil. [16:21] and Baggio was crying. It was pretty sad. [16:22] calopteryx (n=calopter@83.173.146.253.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:22] I guess yes... When baggio wrong kicking? [16:22] RB played brilliantly thru out the entire season. [16:22] right, baggio missed the penalty kick. [16:22] ah yeah... I wasn't born yet but, that video is known :P [16:22] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] I can't believe the coach made him take a shot when his entire leg was frozen/massaged/bruised/bandaged. [16:23] baggio and maldini was the two favorite players the entire season. [16:23] after that I never really followed soccer that much. I guess I grew up. [16:24] rather got older with school and stuff. [16:24] johny-b-goode, Maldini is also a good player, he made story in Italy, he played in Milan(Berlusconi's team) [16:24] hello slackers, now my nick is calopteryx why I register it, but I am archimandrita. thanks [16:25] hi archimandrita :P [16:25] hello [16:25] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [16:25] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [16:25] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:25] calopteryx, how do we know you aren't just lying to us? [16:25] :P [16:25] calopteryx: so, you like dragonflies? [16:26] metrofox: back then soccer was fun. U.S doesn't get much soccer coverage. It's hard to watch. [16:26] you can't know [16:26] can't know what? [16:26] johny-b-goode, that's true, but last time I saw US soccer team I was happy US got better =) [16:26] it's called football. FOOTBALL [16:26] yes I shoot dragonflys for years [16:27] cool [16:27] just a lucky guess [16:27] winter, really? [16:27] I prefer calopteryx maculata.. [16:27] yes [16:27] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] Action: init[1] gn slackers [16:27] Nick change: init[1] -> init[0] [16:27] well in the U.S. there's another "foot"ball which typically is played by what the rest of us think are "hands". But to avoid confusion..... [16:28] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] ahh yes, calopteryx maculata -- cool looking black dragonflies [16:28] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:28] why not soccer? I mean... there are differences in England or in the US? [16:28] blue male green female [16:28] metrofox: U.S. is the only place I know that calls is soccer. [16:28] ah ok... =) [16:29] johny-b-goode, which state you live in? =) [16:29] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:29] metrofox: currently, TX. [16:30] lol, I'm still singing boys boys boys.... [16:30] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-19-254-30.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] argh!!!!!!!!!!! [16:30] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [16:30] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [16:31] :O Texas... I've always been loving US... Since I was a child... My goal has always been: "studying in Italy, got laureated and transferring to the US ro job, and obviously being the american dream" [16:31] metrofox: so you're in Italy or U.S.? [16:31] I hope not to disturb, I read first for time to learn. thanks [16:32] I'm in Italy... always been in Italy... I'm dreaming U.S. for the future ;) [16:32] u in college? [16:32] samuelig (n=samuelig@154.pool85-57-134.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:32] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [16:32] johny-b-goode, there's no college here... Just superior schools...(they're called that way =) ) [16:33] so I guess how old are you or have you done your BSc? If not apply for that in the U.S. [16:33] that's how most of the foreigners come here. They come here, learn a skill, get a degree and apply for permanent residence based on their skill. and gov't gives them permanent residence 'coz of their skill. [16:33] what's BSc(sorry my ignorance... but that's already a miracle I speak English :P ) [16:34] lol. baccalaureate [16:34] slackie (n=x@87-196-152-163.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:34] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@78-119-103.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:35] typically, after the first 12 years of schooling a 4 year degree. [16:35] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:35] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ [16:36] here after 13 years of school you obtain a diploma... 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[16:37] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] v4nelle (n=van@adsl197-163.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:37] anyway, it's lunchtime. :) [16:37] there's no point in universities [16:37] look at the things they produce (george dubbya) [16:38] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:38] metrofox: it was nice to talk to you. Hopefully we'll talk later. [16:38] for now I gotta to find lunch. :) [16:38] johny-b-goode, ok... [16:38] I shall go to bed now to sleep, tomorrow I've school... Well... See ya soon ;) [16:38] one other word I know. :) ciao. [16:38] night metrofox [16:39] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] later [16:39] nite. [16:39] ciao a tutti!!!! 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[17:03] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:03] wtf? [17:03] SnoopyDas (n=andrea@host220-253-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6520b01.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:05] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [17:05] appzer0 (i=1000@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-44.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] wtf indeed. :P [17:07] whats wrong with you guys [17:07] you dont like watching bugs have sex ? [17:09] Scuzz: plush penguins and cats maybe... [17:09] but bugs ? dude! wtf [17:09] lol [17:09] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [17:09] haha [17:10] deco would rape a sloth if he could find one [17:10] rofl [17:10] sloths are easy though [17:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.105) joined ##slackware. [17:10] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] to slow to run off on ya [17:11] yup [17:11] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) left irc: Connection timed out [17:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [17:12] are most of you slackware guys also into bugs ? [17:12] Scuzz: nah im into cats.... [17:12] lol [17:12] 900mhz audio bugs hidden in your living room, yes. [17:12] haha [17:13] deco: \o/, all cover art is fetched. :D [17:13] fire|bird: yay! \o/ [17:14] fire|bird: i was done fast. only 3 albums on my pc atm... which happen to be kamelot albums :P [17:14] deco: Cover Flow looks absolutely AWESOME. :D [17:14] acidchild, that'd be a fun project actually [17:14] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:14] wubbster: yeah, its really not hard to do [17:14] use zigbee though [17:15] fire|bird: and fast :D [17:15] yeah [17:16] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "Hora do mmo" [17:19] raela (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:21] they did google streetview in my city now [17:21] feels abit privacy violating [17:22] acidchild: Well, you weren't outside in your b-day suit at the time, were ya? :P If not, don't worry. [17:22] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-174.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] lemme check [17:23] oh lord, you can't remember? :P [17:23] seems not [17:23] you can see in my balconey [17:23] what happens out there is nobody business [17:23] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.224.44.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] lol [17:24] What happens on the balcony, stays on the balcony? :P [17:24] lol [17:24] sure or continues in the bedroom [17:24] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-105-15.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:24] huh ? [17:24] balcony and a cat what ? [17:25] ash says fuck no [17:26] .... [17:26] acidchild: for the town I'm in, google hasn't done street view, but M$ has done that aerial whatever. Birds eye view or something, [17:26] ah [17:26] fire|bird: what they hoped on you and recorded ? [17:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Connection timed out [17:26] oh lord. [17:26] hopped* [17:27] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-167.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] you did say birds eye.... [17:27] If that would have happened, I'd have been paid, and I wouldn't be here. :P [17:27] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-167.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:27] They hired the friggen crow across the street. :( [17:28] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-167.dialup.farlep.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] hah, my context switch count reached 2^32-1 and stopped incrementing [17:30] ejp [17:30] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] grrr [17:31] you guys think it's time for a cat story ? [17:32] appzer0 (i=1000@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:32] OHGODNO [17:32] iceknight (n=iceknigh@nas-12-167.dialup.farlep.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] Paz_ (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-154-24.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:34] fire|bird: your lose.... [17:34] s/lose/loss/ and no, our win. :) [17:34] don't I always? [17:34] :P [17:34] BP{k}: grrr spelling fail [17:35] Action: fire|bird hands deco irssi's spell checker [17:35] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] fire|bird: no i'm a man ill learn soon... [17:35] you haven't yet, why keep hope? [17:35] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] I mean, I'm all for being optimistic, but there comes a point in time when optimism isn't helping. :P [17:36] fire|bird: because i belive in something called love... [17:36] in a thing called * [17:36] better [17:36] oh lord [17:36] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432785.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:37] nop_ (n=nop@98.212.160.11) left irc: "Leaving" [17:37] fire|bird: oh and why a plugin and i have you guys ? [17:37] when * [17:37] We won't always be around to save your spelling/grammatical errors. [17:37] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432785.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:38] You shouldn't become dependent upon others. [17:38] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [17:38] die fire|bird die [17:38] fire|bird: that's what she said... [17:38] acidchild: you first, then I'll think about it. :P [17:38] deco: you need to learn when to use phrases like that :P [17:38] OH THE LOVE [17:39] fire|bird: ... [17:39] your dumped ;/ never step food infront of my door again [17:39] you enjoy your horse [17:39] [ in bed ] [17:39] deco: don't you ... me. :P [17:39] slackie_ (n=x@87.196.152.163) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Action: fire|bird hears crickets chirping it's so silent now. [17:40] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] slackie (n=x@87-196-152-163.net.novis.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:40] cat story time! [17:41] NO!!!!! [17:41] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:41] :( [17:41] jerks [17:41] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo [17:41] ill include a happy ending guys i promise ... [17:41] We aren't jerks, we just don't like cat stories. [17:41] slackie_ (n=x@87.196.152.163) left irc: Client Quit [17:41] cat + happy endings = scary [17:41] Well, maybe if it ended with a dog chasing a cat and catching it. :P [17:42] well i tried a sad ending and it freaked out people [17:42] fire|bird: .... [17:42] ..... [17:42] i like fire|bird's idea of a happy cat story [17:42] ......... [17:42] ... at least funny [17:42] BP{k}: how long is the list of deps for screenlets going to be? [17:42] too cliche [17:42] ................... [17:42] ....................... [17:42] pastebin the cat story and link us [17:42] y0 nooper [17:42] yo [17:43] nooper: hmmm well the whole point of the cat story is to break the silence ... [17:43] beats the purpose of it [17:43] Once upon a time there was this majestic cat... [17:43] oh now you've done it [17:43] lol [17:43] deco: type up the whole story, paste it here, and we'll watch the fireworks. :D [17:43] slackie (n=x@87-196-152-163.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:43] i live next door to a guy who's in the guinness book of records. he's had 43 concussions. he lives very close, in fact he's just a stone's throw away [17:43] i agree with fire|bird [17:43] fire|bird: ok :) with vim ;-) [17:43] mesa_booger: nice [17:44] Action: deco gets really for his novel [17:44] 43 concussions, holy crap [17:44] ready* grr [17:44] I know, re-enact the story and post on youtube. :D [17:45] fire|bird: don't have a cat :/... anyone good with blender ? [17:45] not I [17:46] cats + blenders = funny cat story [17:46] esoteric: Would that make a bloody meowy (instead of mary) [17:47] fire|bird: ouch [17:47] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] y0 slava_dp [17:47] esoteric: Well, for the cat, yeah. :P [17:48] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:49] anybody knows why i don't have /proc/acpi in 2.6.30.9 (as well as stock 2.6.29.6) kernel? i have acpi all right on 2.6.27.7 though. [17:49] y0 fire|bird =) [17:49] slava_dp: zgrep -i config_acpi /proc/config.gz [17:50] thrice`: it's pat's acpi settings. "y". [17:51] i did not touch that when rebuilding. [17:51] slava_dp: any option in lilo? something like acpi=no or apm=yes [17:51] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [17:51] also, is your MB older than 2003 (nor sure the date) [17:51] slava_dp, 2.6.29.6 has /proc/acpi [17:51] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:52] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [17:52] higuita: my mobo is nforce2 athlon xp. around 2004 i think. [17:52] slackweird: for you, it does. not for me though. [17:53] my cat stoy is done \o/ [17:53] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427644.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] slava_dp: i think is new enough for decent acpi support, not blacklisted by age [17:53] deco: make sure to copywrite it first... it may end up on the bestsellers list if you don't [17:53] but maybe blacklisted by chipset... nvidia isnt very friendly of linux kernel, no info released [17:54] higuita: i've installed slack on a pentium 3 system in the uni this week, the mobo is i815-based. acpi works there. [17:54] esoteric: hahaha [17:54] slava_dp: try to check the boot log/dmesg after boot for acpi messages [17:54] ready to pastebin it [17:54] story* [17:54] esoteric: good idea [17:54] higuita: will do now [17:55] deco: paste away... [17:56] Action: esoteric is annoyed (working on windows server) [17:56] slava_dp: i have acpi working on a MB from 1999, but there is a option in the kernel that disables acpi for old MB, as their acpi is usually too broken to be usable [17:56] esoteric: yeah almost done [17:56] just found out dmidecode won't work for me now too. it worked previously, i'm sure about that. [17:56] YES! my firewall is working after a long complex rule-set, i know no one gives a dman, but i'm happy :D [17:57] s/dman/damn [17:57] vastina: iptables? [17:57] you got cancer anyway [17:57] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:57] esoteric: pf... i'm a BSD guy [17:57] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:57] just enjoy slackware for my unix bloat needs [17:57] :) [17:58] vastina: nice-- pf is cool [17:58] higuita: i've tracked it down in dmesg. my chipset seems to be indeed blacklisted. says use acpi=force to enable. [17:58] all here is my new cat story http://pastebin.com/d46f3ed8a [17:58] enjoy [17:58] vastina: free, net, open? [17:58] yes it is, iptables always frustrated me in contras [17:58] open [17:58] even nicer [17:58] s/contras/contrast [17:58] thanks [17:58] obsd is elegant [17:58] openbsd is solid [17:59] slava_dp: strace dmidecode might give you a tip why doesnt work [17:59] and solid too [17:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [18:01] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:02] i have to stop writting these cat stories and learn php :/ [18:02] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] deco: don't give up yet. it's probably just a little writers block [18:03] esoteric: did you see the link? [18:03] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] wish my ntp daemon would hurry up and do another transmission to know that nothing is crapped [18:03] i wrote it already [18:03] no! [18:03] ...yes [18:03] esoteric: ok :) [18:03] kittyboy... lol --- back to the story [18:03] esoteric: best name :) [18:04] deco: yeah, I picture a member from KISS [18:04] esoteric: ;-) [18:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] slackie (n=x@87-196-152-163.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:05] deco: Masterful! great moral [18:05] Dinithio1 (n=thomas@242.80-203-59.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [18:05] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:06] esoteric: thank you thank you [18:06] deco: catnip addictions are a b&#ch [18:06] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.105) left irc: "Leaving" [18:06] esoteric: indeed [18:06] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:09] Action: esoteric thinks screen pwns [18:10] ^ using it as a serial console [18:10] alphad (n=alphad@41.189.50.88) joined ##slackware. [18:11] screen is <3 [18:12] best way to multiplex a single DEC VT100 style [18:12] werd [18:12] or a /dev/stty0 : /dev/com0 [18:13] i'm defo doing a beer in about 20 minutes to congratulate my own stupid arse [18:13] slackweird (n=acolyte@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: "init 0" [18:14] vastina: lol -- cheers [18:14] in my 2009 Great American Beer Festival mug [18:14] esoteric: cheers [18:16] vastina: are you a vim or emacs guy *not intending to start a flame war* (just curious)? [18:16] vim ! representing [18:16] vim hater [18:16] esoteric: emacs ? [18:16] nano! [18:17] esoteric: i'm all vi [18:17] :) [18:17] deco: i like vim a lot, but have been forcing myself to learn emacs and am starting to really like it [18:17] esoteric: dude just leave now ..... [18:17] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host145-162-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:17] *forcing myself* that's just wrong [18:17] :P [18:17] deco: i'm thinking about starting a emacs-evangelical site or something [18:17] yeah, not to stand against you esoteric but emacs sucks the gay out of elton john's arse [18:17] esoteric: we already have the church of emacs... [18:17] LOL [18:17] Action: esoteric laugh his arse off [18:17] giuppy (n=giuppy@host11-170-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:18] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:18] Dinithion (n=thomas@242.80-203-59.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:18] no need to reinvent the wheel [18:18] Action: esoteric hopes everyone detects his thickly laid sarcasm [18:18] esoteric: .... [18:18] esoteric: cat story ? [18:18] lol [18:18] ;) [18:19] hey what happened to Quiznos ? [18:19] cats and emacs belong in the same story. give it a shot deco [18:19] esoteric: maybe... [18:19] deco: k-lined [18:19] deco: fuck you man, Quiznos annoys me [18:19] fire|bird: :O, what did he do ? [18:19] i can't even watch his text without headdesking [18:19] I have no idea, but good riddance. :) [18:19] tis a sad day [18:19] Action: esoteric sniffles [18:19] i'll miss the guy [18:19] I won't [18:19] nor will many others :) [18:20] DonQuixote! [18:20] Action: vastina raises imaginary [for now] beer glass [18:20] y0 vastina [18:20] Action: esoteric sobs violently into his hands [18:20] no please no... sod all that stupid don quixote and sancho panza bs [18:20] Action: deco hugs esoteric [18:20] Action: fire|bird hands esoteric a box of kleenex [18:20] hey fire|bird [18:20] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-62-232.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:21] oooh 4:20 colorado time [18:21] I'll be right back guys... gotta go curb-check a cat [18:21] too bad i'm not finished yet [18:21] ^that always makes me feel better [18:21] damn [18:21] lol [18:21] Action: vastina adds green to his to-do list [18:21] esoteric: lol [18:22] vastina: were you here back around 1991ish? [18:22] Nick change: sirmacik -> czarna [18:22] esoteric: i was in england going to school [18:22] :) [18:22] oh [18:22] big no, i guess [18:22] yeah England != America [18:22] that [18:22] is what i hear [18:23] yeah there's this apparently small mass of water [they call it a pond] between them [18:23] :) [18:23] huh -- something new every day [18:23] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: [18:24] i got my first whiff of colorado in 1996, then came back for university @ CU Boulder [go buffs!] in 2001, and then came back again in 2006 [18:24] you, england is across the pond. :) [18:24] yup* [18:24] :P [18:24] deco: I can't spell now either, THANKS A LOT. :P [18:24] lol [18:24] fire|bird: be accountable [18:24] Action: vastina smax [18:24] lol [18:25] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] vastina: I was fine until deco started coming around. :P [18:25] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:25] fire|bird: hey it's not like he's compgenius9969 or Quiznos [18:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] fire|bird: :) [18:26] vastina: :) [18:26] deco: i reckon fire|bird has a secret thing for you... watch your red eye man [18:26] hahaha [18:26] Action: fire|bird walks away [18:26] err, s/walks/flies/ [18:27] vastina: i always have the lights off... [18:27] whoa... [18:27] Action: vastina backs right the fuck off this convo [18:28] fire|bird: giving you a hard time mate ;) [18:28] fire|bird sits in an uncomfortable silence [18:28] yup :( [18:28] spechless... [18:28] coward... [18:28] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Action: fire|bird tosses a fireball in deco's direction. [18:29] can i have one? [18:29] Action: deco counters with a super soaker [18:29] Action: fire|bird gives vastina a fireball [18:29] sweet [18:30] Action: vastina enjoys the fireball [18:30] Action: deco super soakes everyone [18:30] deco: It's an eternal flame, it cannot be extinguished. [18:30] frotz47 (n=matthew@cpe-74-65-160-125.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] fire|bird: yes but this is no ordinary water gun tis a super soaker [18:30] Action: vastina armbars deco [18:30] Action: deco kicks vastina on the nuts [18:30] no making me wet, i have a cock [18:30] o_O [18:30] that's what she said [18:30] no, see you were in an armbar... and you didn't tap out [18:31] Action: esoteric stands by, shaking his head [18:31] children [18:31] ... [18:31] .... [18:31] how old are you guys ? [18:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] yeah this is ridiculous... [18:31] ... [18:31] Action: vastina re-affirms his composure [18:31] 12 [18:32] seriously? :P [18:32] i'm 5 [18:32] esoteric: dog years ? [18:32] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:32] jk [18:32] i'm 12/f/somalia... pm? [18:32] I'm really mature. [18:32] emacs user?: http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/10/07/alex-in-wonderland/ [18:32] We KNOW deco is 5 1/2 [18:32] phoenix^: inches ? [18:33] lol [18:33] OMG [18:33] hey my Xorg is really messed up and i've been troubleshooting for over a week-- nothing is showing up in Xorg.0.log and im not sure what to do as i have no errors to work with. i get a blinking cursor in the upper left hand corner. I believe this has something to do with a hal issue since my upgrade, but has anyone experienced behaviour like this? I still use a Xorg.conf file. [18:33] Action: vastina prefers CLI [18:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:34] Action: dartmouth doesn't when his date wants to watch a movie [18:34] dartmouth: good point [18:34] sorry dartmouth [18:34] phoenix^: how did you know ? [18:34] most chicks dig GUI [18:34] i have a mac for gui [18:34] :) [18:34] use mplayer [18:34] most chicks dig Mac [18:34] in cli [18:35] Nick change: czarna -> pomysl [18:35] plus how can i showcase linux to prospective gals if it's broken when they come over, forcing me to use Windows RC 7. [18:35] I watch movies converted to ascii art [18:35] dartmouth: don't make me sick elton john on you for using windows [18:35] lol [18:35] my xorg is broken and i dont know how to troubleshoot it any futher than i have [18:36] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:36] is there a way to launch X11 in a way that is more verbose so I know where it's crashing? in a way thats humanly readable? [18:36] dartmouth: so you type "startx" and it goes to a blank screen with a cursor blinking? [18:36] because i blanked out my xorg.0.log so i would know what kind of issues its running into [18:36] use a different drive [18:37] driver [18:37] are the logs not telling you enough? [18:37] esoteric: yes and the inability to change TTys and i think its a hardlock [18:37] hackedhead: the logs are saying nothing [18:37] hackedhead: they are blank [18:37] and you cannot move your mouse and use your keyboard [18:37] ? [18:37] or what [18:37] mouse and keyboard work in TTY until I start kdm [18:38] are you using a proprietary graphics driver? [18:38] phrag (n=phrag@217.10.145.3) joined ##slackware. [18:38] enable it in xorg conf [18:38] hi guys =) [18:38] esoteric: yes i am, it's the new ATI prop driver [18:38] 9-4 [18:38] hi, phrag [18:38] and your gpu model is? [18:38] dartmouth: does it work if you switch it back to the opensource driver? [18:38] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [18:38] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [18:39] esoteric: no it doesnt [18:39] alright dartmouth sorry for not being more help, i'm more concerned with the beer n bud i'm about to enjoy, rest of you slackers, see you in an hour or so! [18:39] winter: RV610 [18:39] Action: vastina away [18:39] later,vastina [18:39] the mouse and keyboard are prolly disabled in your xorg.conf [18:39] later on esoteric [18:40] winter: if that were the only issue then i'd still get a kdm [18:40] but all i get is a text cursor and a hang [18:40] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [18:40] its not a hang ^^ [18:40] Nick change: pomysl -> sirmacik [18:41] it's working ok but with your mouse and keybord turned off [18:41] Nick change: sirmacik -> pomysl [18:41] winter: X does nothing after i launch kdm-- i could leave it there all day and i'd still have a cursor in the upper left hand screen. it looks much like a hang [18:41] so you're getting no error messages [18:41] dartmouth: is that coming out of a suspend or something? [18:41] winter: no its not working ok but with my mouse and keyboard turned off [18:41] so kdm would be another thing [18:41] ^that's the only time I've seen that [18:41] esoteric: no its during launching of kdm [18:41] well it's ok for xorg [18:42] rule out kdm by launching fluxbox or xfce [18:42] hey guys [18:42] how do I get xfce to shutdown from xfce4-shutdown-helper? [18:42] or whatever that app is called. [18:43] Nick change: pomysl -> sirmacik [18:43] One used to modify /etc/sudoers for that. [18:43] %power ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper [18:43] I got this in my /etc/sudoers, but no joy. [18:44] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Buggaboo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xfce-shutdownreboot-buttons-641963/ [18:45] frotz47 (n=matthew@cpe-74-65-160-125.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:46] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:46] wtf i just installed slackware Base Package and now i try to run and it says: [18:46] Enter runlevel: [18:46] .... [18:46] What did you install? [18:47] INIT: no inittab file found [18:47] that's bad [18:47] the A package series [18:47] razel: what do you mean by "Base Package" there is no such thing. [18:47] razel: install the whole dvd if you have it [18:47] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:47] why [18:48] .... [18:48] BP{k}: hey, hows it going =) [18:48] yo phrag :) not bad man :) how're you? [18:48] would having /etc on a separate partition have anything to do with it [18:48] i'm good thanks, missed irc! =P [18:48] razel: uhm .. that is universally stupid. [18:48] cbrpnk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [18:49] why [18:49] razel: well for starters, you'll need to install the K package for a kernel, etc [18:49] phrag: !!! \o/ [18:49] razel: how do you expect to know what to mount, what to start, when you need the files that are on the /etc/ partition without knowing where that /etc/ partition is? [18:49] 8o) [18:49] esoteric: nah. [18:49] i know where it is [18:49] you do. [18:49] in the setup it asked me to label it [18:49] so i did [18:49] your system don't. [18:49] phrag: don't know you but i saw you on slackware gallery :P [18:50] so wtf is fstab for [18:50] razel: for mounting partitions [18:50] BP{k}: K is just kernel source? right? [18:50] esoteric: yes. [18:50] so why doesnt it know then [18:50] razel: tone the swearing down please... [18:50] razel: how would it know wher /etc/fstab is. [18:50] good point. lol [18:50] you are trying to read a file from a partition you don't know/can't know without reading the /etc/fstab file [18:50] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] so what should i do [18:51] reinstall. [18:51] and have /etc on the root partition ? [18:51] yep. [18:51] oh [18:51] cool [18:51] thx [18:51] giuppy (n=giuppy@host69-104-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:51] deco: haha, that's... worrying =P [18:51] including /bin and /sbin and /lib etc [18:51] copy the whole content of your /etc partition to the /etc on your root partition, modify fstab (delete the feral /etc partition from it) and reboot [18:51] phrag: i have good memory that is all :P [18:51] razel: why did you just install a/ ? don't you wnat networking? [18:52] hehe, just messing =) [18:52] and use a livecd for it [18:52] BP{k}: i want to do everything by hand so i dont get any garbage [18:52] but yeah thats my next step [18:52] k :P [18:53] nille_ (i=1000@79.138.131.20.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [18:54] phrag: deco's odd, but harmless. :P [18:54] BP{k}: won't you also need 'L' for glibc, etc? [18:54] =) [18:54] :) [18:54] esoteric: well in principle those libs shouild be in aaa_libs [18:54] BP{k}: huh - cool [18:55] esoteric: for a minimal system I would selectively install from a/ n/ and l/ but I have grown lazy .. nowadays I just enter full isntall as diskspace is cheap and odn't worry :) [18:55] BP{k}: yeah [18:56] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [18:57] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. 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[19:22] alphad (n=alphad@41.189.50.88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:25] gm152: no [19:25] giuppy (n=giuppy@host69-104-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:26] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75C50.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Dominian: OK, thanks. [19:28] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:29] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-233-227.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:31] gnubien (n=e@237.242.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.88.238) joined ##slackware. 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[19:41] I have both the default 13.0 installation of python 2.6 and the slackbuild or python 3.1 [19:41] python 2.6 is being used [19:42] is it as simple as changing a symlink? [19:42] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] or do i need to do something with a bash profile? [19:43] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: [19:43] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-207-32.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [19:43] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:43] python 2.6 must be in your /usr/bin folder [19:44] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:44] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Nick change: caio -> Guest17318 [19:44] did you check to see that python 3.1 is in your /usr/bin? [19:45] it is [19:45] python2.6 and python3.1 are both there [19:45] zaltekk: actually usally it's determined by the hashbang in your script .. ie for bash #!/bin/bash .. for perl #!/usr/bin/perl etc. [19:45] try this: ls -l /usr/bin/python* [19:45] BP{k}: okay. [19:45] show the output [19:46] oh... heh [19:46] because 2.6 is linked to /usr/bin/python [19:46] just change the header of that file [19:46] .. [19:46] ah, okay [19:47] so i was correct... python is symlinked to python 2.6... [19:47] i must not be awake enough. [19:48] yeah, python is linked to 2.6, plus i didn't even include the hashbang so it was executing as a shell script i believe [19:48] so two dumb problems fixed. thanks [19:49] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.248) joined ##slackware. [19:49] there is no dumb question, except for the one you don't ask [19:49] in most cases :P [19:50] its okay we've all been there [19:50] but i shouldn't have asked, because after i rethought it, i already knew the answer [19:50] sometimes im so messed up before my 1st cup of coffee... i forget that i need coffee to fix me [19:51] and i go through the day making all kind of blunders [19:51] i've stopped(at least for now) drinking mountain dew, so by this time in the day i am almost a zombie [19:51] until i realized i need my coffee [19:51] huge drop in sugar and caffiene intake [19:51] Nick change: icy1_ -> icy1 [19:51] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] that's why... you're having your 'stupid moments' [19:52] icy1 (n=Administ@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:52] i used to drink Mtn. Dew like it was water [19:52] lol mountain dew [19:52] the hick drink [19:52] had to switch to coffee [19:53] well [19:53] i would have it for my breakfast [19:53] reduced myself to 1 cup a day [19:53] and then one mid afternoon [19:53] course my 1 cup of coffee would wake the dead [19:54] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:54] icy1 (n=Administ@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] chazbro: wake up lenin and the red army then [19:55] actually Mtn. Dew is the porr man's cocain [19:55] eeekk! hell NO [19:55] Action: chazbro hisses at winter [19:56] Action: chazbro holds up his fingers in a cross [19:56] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:58] _genuser_ (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-229-245.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:58] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.130) joined ##slackware. [19:58] so zaltekk you quit cold turkey? [19:59] donoban (i=1000@77.211.153.1) joined ##slackware. [19:59] one for breakfast & one for mid afternoon isnt addicted... like i was [20:00] it was the ONLY thing i drank [20:00] i ran on it [20:00] then i got really rotund [20:00] retsudo (n=retsudo@cpe-76-174-219-13.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:01] had to make some changes [20:01] i think it's quite funny, jeev calling something a 'hick drink' [20:01] now i drink diet crystal lite peach tea [20:01] Action: Dominian is far from a "hick" [20:01] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Action: Dominian drinks a LOT of Mtn. Dew [20:01] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:02] Dominian: my old boss lives on it too [20:02] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] ananke: well, I'm sure I'm going to need a root canal in the future because of it [20:02] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] at work we go through periods of drinking a lot of it, then nothing for awhile. actually, we go for the cheap substitute: kroger's lemon drop [20:03] so mr. sophisticated jeev: what do the upper crust drink? [20:03] jeev's girl juice [20:03] orange juice [20:04] moovies (n=moovies@190.94.93.176) joined ##slackware. [20:04] LOL orange juice? [20:04] yup [20:04] but it doesnt have any caffeine [20:04] no pick me up [20:04] no rocket fuel [20:04] nada zip [20:04] Mt dew has orange juice in it [20:04] pick me up's are for fat people [20:04] BS! [20:04] hah [20:05] Action: Dominian is far from fat [20:05] i was 130lbs [20:05] and i drank it to wake my a$$ up [20:05] Dominian, spameatingmonkey is sort of useless to me after zen and barracuda [20:05] jeev: I put SEM before zen [20:05] chazbro i could knock you over with a simple fart [20:05] point Dominian? [20:05] jeev: no point.. I don't rely on just one. [20:06] he's too precious [20:06] lol... [20:06] If you think one RBL is enough for your setup.. so be it [20:06] you thinks thats a good thing to say out loud? [20:06] Dominian, dunno. it's only got about 5 warnings after zen and barracuda [20:06] i have two rbl's. barracuda and zen [20:06] chazbro, sure [20:06] one rbl? what is this, 1997? [20:06] barracuda... [20:07] You use barracuda? ha [20:07] jeev: you admit... you STINK? [20:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:07] barracuda rules [20:07] no chazbro, nevermind [20:07] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.88.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:08] eh.. [20:08] yeah.. barracuda "rules" [20:08] damn right it does [20:08] sarcastic remarks suck [20:08] seagate barracuda? [20:08] try it [20:08] or something else? [20:08] moovies, hell no [20:08] ummm for us not in the know... wth is barracuda and/or zen? [20:08] barracudacentral [20:09] zen.spamhaus [20:09] ok [20:09] they are Real time blacklists for mail servers etc. [20:09] jeev doesn't like caffeine..might mess up his period [20:09] rofl [20:10] jeev... get off the girl hormones dude [20:10] a man should not have periods [20:11] thats just way too bizarre [20:13] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] huh [20:13] retr0 (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) joined ##slackware. [20:15] it was said you drink your 'girl juice' [20:15] get off the 'juice' [20:15] its messing you up [20:16] Action: chazbro wonders what jeev puts in his orange juice... besides oranges [20:16] icy1 (n=Administ@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:17] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] icy1 (n=Administ@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] chazbro (n=chazbro@adsl-70-234-191-195.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:22] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.242) joined ##slackware. [20:23] how would i automate monitoring the size of a file i am transfering? something like watch "ls -l filename" [20:23] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [20:23] but i'd rather it be shown in terms of MiB or GiB than bytes...like i would see with df -h [20:23] is there some utility for this i'd already have with slackware? [20:24] zaltekk: gui or cli ? [20:25] i was assuming i'd do it from the cli [20:25] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-77-111.cia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:25] deco why would anyone other than a windows adherent want gui? [20:25] i'm using putty's psftp to send something from a windows computer to my slackware laptop, but it doesn't display any information about the transfer's progress [20:25] :) [20:25] oh [20:26] vastina: dunno some people are weird... [20:26] Action: vastina shuts up then [20:26] using watch and ls works, but it would be much easier to check if it wasn't displayed in bytes [20:26] vastina: that's right [20:26] keep it shut [20:26] vastina: :) [20:26] wasn't referring to you deco [20:26] :) [20:26] vastina: pffft [20:26] :P [20:26] referring to him xferring files from a windows box... [20:26] i know [20:27] Action: vastina sips his beer [20:27] my roommates had trouble with our media box running linux [20:27] your roommates should read man [20:27] so it has windows xp media center edition on it now so that they can work it without bugging me [20:27] xbmc ftw [20:28] so am i missing a utility program that i could be utilizing? [20:28] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:30] zaltekk: man du [20:32] okay, thanks [20:33] perfect :) [20:33] also try the -v flag of psftp, if you want verbosity [20:34] estranho (n=diogo@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [20:34] okay. i assumed psftp could be told to do it, but i was worried about having to start the transfer over again [20:34] yeah sorry my attention isn't completely on this, but i hope the little i'm giving you helps [20:35] felt the need to reply since i'm running my keys in here [20:36] watch "du -h filename" is working great [20:36] there you go then :) thanks for making me feel helpful [20:36] :) [20:36] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [20:36] anyway afk [20:36] Action: BP{k} likes "watch --interval=1s uname -r" ;) [20:37] it was probably referencedsadly the df manpage doesn't mention du [20:37] although it seems logical to me for it to reference it in "See Also" [20:37] soydepr (n=soydepr@12.19.62.130) joined ##slackware. [20:37] Action: vastina likes BP{k}'s idea better [20:37] good call [20:37] Action: vastina raises beer to BP{k} [20:38] vastina: I wish I could take credit for it, but it's an example from the watch manpage :) [20:38] soydepr (n=soydepr@12.19.62.130) left irc: Client Quit [20:38] beer actually sounds good. [20:39] so what's with kde themes. there's not good themes with color themes. It's all nitrogen this and fart gas that. [20:40] does nobody make themes just for default kde color schemes to set the widgets different colors? [20:40] No idea. I prefer XFCE. :) [20:40] Pref (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.130) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:41] themes? obviously that doesn't get any attention [20:41] haha [20:41] we no need no stinking themes! [20:41] the focus is on MOAR EFFECTZ [20:41] xfce on slack? infidel! [20:41] ew XFCE... mighty heavy she is [20:41] johny-b-goode: uhm yeah whatever kiddo. [20:41] Action: vastina prefers fluxbox [20:42] BP{k}: j/k. I use xfce also. [20:42] :) [20:42] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] johny-b-goode: but you look at KDE .. you dirty bugger ;) [20:42] I use flux on gentoo, xfce on xubuntu, kde on gentoo and slack, dwm on openbox. [20:42] *openbsd [20:42] johny-b-goode: you use X on obsd? [20:42] the fuck? [20:43] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-146-18.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] y0 MLanden [20:43] if i use X on openbsd it is only with the tabbed window manager [20:43] and that is rare [20:43] such sophistication, and then... xubuntu? [20:43] lol [20:43] xubuntu doesn't even ship XFCe [20:43] *2 lol [20:43] vastina: sure why not use X on openbsd? [20:44] johny-b-goode: read the faq... [20:44] nob [20:44] heya, phoenix^ [20:44] s/nob/noob [20:44] hi phoenix^ [20:44] nob works too [20:44] MLanden: How's it going? [20:44] hey thrice` [20:44] OpenBSD is suprisingly enough the only BSD that supported my laptop's hardware when I got it. [20:44] otherwise i wouldn't be able to use BSD and have wireless internet [20:44] thrice`: How are you? [20:44] Heya,folks....how's everyone? [20:44] phoenix^: doing well, yourself? [20:44] vastina: I used for what is does and for what it can do. FAQ is somebody's idea of trying to be superior if they "recommend" blah. couldn't care less. [20:44] drinking [20:44] i think that FreeBSD-CURRENT is _still_ missing the driver [20:44] how about you MLanden? [20:45] Goin' good,phoenix^ thanks .. and how are you? [20:45] fine,vastina...yourself? [20:45] johny-b-goode: yeah, we're done on convo, you may have tried obsd, but you don't use openbsd [20:45] MLanden: bueno amigo [20:45] thrice`: great, thanks. I was editing opera's irc client for colors and added a feature so that it shows how many times my nick has been said if I'm afk. [20:45] MLanden: great, thank you. [20:46] Bien! [20:46] vastina: didn't mean to be rude. It works well for what I tried. I was originally trying for of FreeNAS which is a raid solution based on openbsd. [20:46] NO openbsd user would say such blasphemy like "FAQ is somebody's idea of trying to be superior..." chalk... n00b [20:46] vastina: I wanted to try openbsd for what it can do. I don't use it on regular basis. Mainly to compare linux and *BSD. [20:47] vastina: trust me, I've read my share of openbsd FAQs. :) [20:47] after those words? [20:47] Action: vastina spits out a HA [20:47] but it's true some of the FAQs go out their way to insult hte common reader, hence the original comment. [20:47] Action: vastina then takes another swig [20:48] johny-b-goode: version me. [20:48] :) [20:48] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] hey neonflux [20:48] hi fire|bird [20:49] heya,neonflux [20:49] hi MLanden [20:49] how are you guys doing? [20:49] hi mrjones [20:49] :) [20:50] :) [20:50] hello vastina [20:50] just got here in the last few minutes,neonflux....but besides that,doin' good [20:51] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:51] MLanden: working on anymore CS problems? [20:51] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] nille_ (i=1000@79.138.131.20.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:52] v4nelle (n=van@adsl197-163.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:52] neonflux: nah....rolled the kernel back to 12.2 with all the incompatibilties with intel's GEM in their newer drivers with 1st generation intels (810s and 8xx) [20:53] MLanden: you on 2.6.27.* kernel then? [20:53] MLanden: sorry to read that... what were you seeking to gain with the 13 release? i'm still happy on 12.2 on a couple of my internal systems [20:54] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:54] I rolled back my kernel to 2.6.28.10 in the hopes to get ATI drivers working only to find out it doesn't work with xorg 1.6...DOH! [20:54] neonflux: yup [20:55] vastina: just testing the newer intel drivers in curiosity [20:55] neonflux: funny i had that issue going from 11 to 12.1 [20:55] with ATI drivers [20:55] MLanden: ah [20:55] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [20:56] vastina: yeah, after the 9-3 driver they stopped support for older graphics cards...sucks [20:56] but the open source drivers seem to work pretty good [20:56] neonflux: what hardware are you running mate [20:56] ATI radeon Mobility x1400 [20:57] on my 3 1/2 year old lappie [20:57] ah yeah, i've read a few problems with the mobilities across the forums... seems their emphasis [if they have one!] is on the workstation vpu's [20:58] Nothing (n=algorith@adsl-209-78-17-56.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] no, issues here...except it isn't supported anymore :( [20:58] sadly, across my hardware, considering propietary *n?x crap, seems nvidia has a strong edge over ati in compatibility [not saying you can hock those out, just food for thought] [20:59] Yeah, I have never tried Nvidia before [20:59] never had an issue with ANY of my nvidia cards [20:59] Action: vastina only has 2 though [20:59] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:00] I'd be interested to try out the vdpau or even CUDA with the newer Nvidia cards [21:00] you'd be surprised, they're decent to the opensource community, wish they'd be more decent and just release the damned source of course [21:00] sure [21:00] neonflux: i promise you don't... so much "wtf" code all over CUDA [21:01] vastina: what is wrong with CUDA? [21:02] it's great, don't get me wrong the concept is wonderful, but the support for the open source community just seems lacking at best... purely an opinion [21:03] damn... night everyone [21:03] night,vastina [21:03] vastina: night [21:04] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] MLanden: did you ever finish the script to download SBo tarballs and then run them after unpacking? [21:07] neonflux: tarballs for what source? [21:07] you had asked about a week ago to get the bar variable from bar.tar.gz...or something like that [21:08] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:09] sbopkg -b "appname" ;) [21:10] BP{k}: yes, that would be the easy way [21:10] MelisandA (n=Melisand@modemcable093.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:11] neonflux: don't think it was me who asked....but may have asked while bashing during backups...:D [21:12] MelisandA (n=Melisand@modemcable093.225-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left ##slackware. [21:13] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] what do you guys use for transparency in kde? [21:19] meant to ask earlier but the convo went to heck. [21:21] I don't use the bells and whistles of KDE4 [21:21] Action: Dominian has no real use for them [21:21] Dominian: same here [21:21] Yeah its cool to have your desktop flip like a cube... [21:21] but is it really that much more functional? [21:21] hehe [21:21] well finally a laptop that can dish out some cpu power. So I'm wanting to try it out. [21:22] too much resources were wasted on that shit [21:22] Oh its nice don't get me wrong [21:22] I'vr tried compiz b4 but stooped. But I do like transparency. :) [21:22] KDE4 by itself has all the ability to do what you want [21:22] yeah it has it's own built in effects [21:22] no compiz needed [21:22] In fact I think its turned on by default [21:23] it auto-detects if your video can handle it [21:23] 'coz kde4 I stopped using compiz. But I'm trying to figure out transparency [21:23] johny-b-goode: we said already it can handle that by it's self [21:24] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [21:24] deco: oh I understand. I just need to read or find out how to turn it on. :) [21:24] hackedhead: system settings [21:25] johny-b-goode: KDE menu --> System Settings --> Desktop [21:26] ah. I was looking under Appearance. :) thanks. [21:26] fire|bird: can you be more specific ? :P [21:26] deco: Can you tab complete the right nick? 2024 deco> hackedhead: system settings [21:27] fire|bird: oh damn lol [21:27] fail [21:27] again [21:27] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [21:27] can't multitask [21:27] can't single tast [21:27] task [21:27] .... [21:27] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-157-196-155.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:27] lol [21:28] no comments... [21:28] hmmmmm sql is easy yet tricky [21:29] fire|bird: oh i figured full screen in xbmc [21:29] cool [21:29] fire|bird: xbmc -fs duH! [21:30] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] ..... [21:31] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:31] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:32] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:33] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) joined ##slackware. [21:33] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) left ##slackware. [21:33] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] hello everybody [21:35] heya,spider1010 [21:37] It's just so great to be here. I would like to thank Burger King for making me so full I don't want to move and a four day weekend for removing all motivation. [21:38] spider1010: try the angry whopper? [21:38] that is what i eat [21:38] beer hath been aquireth! \o/ [21:38] and a tinder crisp [21:39] =kind_of_beer [21:40] got my rig today. [21:40] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [21:40] dude threw in some extra's.. jumpsuit is decent and fits me. [21:41] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:41] agentc0re: nice:) [21:41] agentc0re: cool :) [21:41] :D i'm stoked. :D Now to jump or not to jump with a purple leg.. [21:41] hrmm.... [21:41] oranjeboom, perchance? [21:41] mancha: oranjeboom != beer. [21:42] BP{k}: Wikipedia disagrees. [21:42] its good stuff, you snob [21:42] mancha: sure it is. if you like fermented horsepiss. [21:43] BP{k}: some people like driving on the left side of the road [21:43] godling: agreed, silly brits. [21:43] I got a jury summons. :/ [21:43] I'll have to take two buses to get to the courthouse on a Saturday. :/ [21:44] freack_ (n=frkbr@189.58.219.119.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Save me ##Slackware! [21:44] freack_ (n=frkbr@189.58.219.119.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:44] godling: google jury duty [21:44] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:44] gnubien: what about it? [21:44] how bout saint bernardus? [21:44] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [21:45] that reminds me of the soccer club in the village I lived. [21:45] I am having a Wychwood's HobGoblin. :) [21:45] godling: your paying for your sins for being a registered voter ;/ [21:46] mancha: actually, that looks like a decent beer. :) [21:47] Action: BP{k} adds that to his "keep a lookout for" beer-list. [21:48] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) joined ##slackware. [21:48] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:48] gnubien: In the US, a potential juror's name is picked from their DMV records. [21:48] i should make lists, i'll start with a "lists i should have" list heh [21:48] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] hi all, can an assign an action to a screen edge beyond the 6 or so options? I would really like to minimise all windows at the bottom right...thanx [21:48] gnubien: If you're going to say something stupid, at least get the premise correct, eh? :P [21:49] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Duvelenglas0uj.jpg <-- one f them in the fridge :D [21:49] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.14) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:49] lol [21:49] godling: same for you too [21:49] gnubien: that doesn't even make sense [21:49] :P [21:49] rogersman1: kde4, I guess? [21:50] To top it all off, they actually made the automated voice on the juror line sound bitchy. [21:50] ViN86 (n=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-ONE-SEVENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [21:50] oops, thought i was in kde irc room ...duuuuh... [21:51] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:51] it is like half 3 in the morning here :-p [21:51] no, you're in the gnome room!@# [21:51] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] and by that i mean we're all 2 feet tall [21:51] can't you tell by all the feet and hair? [21:51] rogersman1: where the heck are you then? ;) [21:51] Action: godling makes rogersman1 smell his feet [21:52] sunny scotland [21:52] Fri Oct 9 01:52:20 UTC 2009 [21:52] you really ned to adjust your clock then .. since it's probably closer to three ;) [21:53] rogersman1: wait, you're on drugs yes. sunny + scotland .. does that work? [21:53] that's about saying "it doesn't rain in manchester" [21:53] well actually I am..lol [21:53] oh .... [21:53] after a bottle of whisky, everything seems sunny [21:53] well .. uh .. carry on ;) [21:53] mancha: too true. [21:53] Action: BP{k} makes a note to purchase a new bottle of Laphroaig. [21:54] scotch snob too? ggez [21:54] ach , its not too bad...p.s big shout to batts for the 4.3.2 txz's ! [21:54] so bpk likes the nice single malts, i see.... [21:54] yeah and I prefer porthmouth gin or otherwise bombay saphire gin. ;) [21:54] laphroaig? like the smokey stuff, huh? [21:55] yep, I strongly prefer the islay malts as my favourite whisky's [21:55] try hendricks gin (from scotland!) made with cucumbers... [21:55] good lad [21:55] rogersman1: I have heard about that one, supposed to be quite good as well. :) [21:56] "welcome to ##slackware, were the ##AA people hang out when not at a meeting" ;) [21:56] the japanese whisky isnt too bad either...love bourbon too...okaaaay, now i sound like an alcoholic lol [21:56] hi, my name's mancha and i'm a slackware user [21:57] rogersman1: Hmm ever tried Markers Mark? [21:57] everything in moderation....including moderation ;-) [21:57] BP{k}: hey BP [21:57] i LUV makers mark, makes a great manhattan.....wild turkey, woodford reserve, gorgeous gorgeous stuff...i'de love a tour of the south distilliries [21:57] mmm maker's mark [21:58] ViN86: howdy [21:58] rogersman1: heh, too true. I watched the laphroaig distillery webcast from there .. so got to procure myself a bottle at some point. :) [21:58] any of you guys install slack from a usb drive only? [21:58] i found the bootable image [21:58] yep, that's how I install [21:59] thrice`: how do i setup the tree? [21:59] to a separate partition on the usb drive? or just throw it on there? [21:59] mm, personally, I use /home/ftp/slackware/ [21:59] on a separate usb drive? [21:59] (my /home is on a separate partition from / ) [21:59] ...yeah, so back to slackware lol....*hiccup*.... [22:00] I think you can throw it onto the USB drive, too, if it's big enough [22:01] thrice`: so i should be able to do it if i put the files on a separate usb drive? [22:01] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/ [22:01] BP{k}: ill check that out thx [22:01] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] ViN86: yep, it's up to you :) [22:02] thrice`: k thx [22:02] BP{k}: thx for that, i think i found that before [22:02] you can do, say "mkdir /install_from_me" and mount your second disk there, and point the installer at "/install_from_me/slackware/" during the selection [22:02] okay, going to sleep, peace all [22:02] rogersman1 (n=root@78.144.106.124) left ##slackware. [22:03] so much for the root ban [22:03] slackboy: you're fired. [22:03] Spanky (i=89641cfe@gateway/web/freenode/x-ibvthrmmignvteey) joined ##slackware. [22:03] thrice`: on a second usb drive, right? [22:04] sure, or, the guide BP{k} linked to describes sticking it on the drive you are booting. a second drive can probably be used if that doesn't have enough space [22:04] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [22:04] hi [22:04] hello [22:04] will slackware run on a 2002 vintage dell dimension 8650 with 512 rambus? [22:04] latest version of slackware..? [22:05] 2002 is vintage? :( [22:05] any slackware [22:05] new one i guess [22:05] thrice`: k cool, thx man :) [22:05] ruben23: /topic [22:06] ok ill go for 12.x [22:06] Spanky: I am quite sture it will. I ran slackware until recently, on a PII with 180odd MB [22:06] ruben23: and how do you come to that briliant conclusion? [22:06] Spanky: that's a Dell XPS,right? [22:06] BP{k}: I detect troll. [22:06] no not xps [22:06] set phasers on frappe [22:06] haha [22:06] dimension 8650 [22:06] lmao [22:07] frappe; i'll need to add that setting to my phaser [22:07] could be handy [22:07] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.14) joined ##slackware. [22:07] MLanden: i do own an xps though but may get this dimension 8650...worried about this rambus thing [22:07] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vrzamoljvrlastjf) joined ##slackware. [22:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:08] BP{k}: on my applications best resommended distro [22:08] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-vrzamoljvrlastjf) left irc: Client Quit [22:08] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:08] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wemvzrnibdaabmxq) joined ##slackware. [22:09] BP{k} i have heard some really bad stuff about this particular dell machine with rambus, as opposed to sdram or ddram, wondered if anyone here was running slackware in a machine withthis controversial rambus [22:09] Spanky: Gotcha. not sure. but send me one, and I'll get back to you ;) [22:09] Controversial? Is it anti-semitic? [22:09] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Connection timed out [22:10] Spanky: type of memory doesn't affect linux. [22:10] if so, i'm buying it [22:10] hi [22:10] if anything, rambus wasn't particularly liked [22:10] hullo [22:10] guys [22:11] ananke: i have heard it is a lot faster ram but is slow on the quick easy tasks...which is why i asked...does better on long drawn out things [22:11] im on the mirror section to download slackware what file should i download [22:11] evening [22:11] ok channel thanks [22:11] BP{k}: that link was exactly what I needed, thx [22:11] Spanky, there's always wiki [22:11] ananke: I thought rambus was just made obsolete [22:12] strange the topic isnt finished on alien's wiki [22:12] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:12] godling yes it has [22:12] godling: it is. he's talking about an ancient machine [22:12] ViN86: no problem. :) [22:12] ah, I see now [22:12] ananke i will get 3 and take all the rambus and put into one [22:12] alien never finishes anything [22:12] to get 1.5rambus [22:12] Action: godling points to a plate of peas [22:13] ding dong [22:13] Spanky: Radeon video? [22:14] yes [22:14] MLaden heard slack install and runs on the ram thus my concern [22:15] wwas hoping someone here had rambus [22:15] Anyone here experienced with nfs root? [22:15] cool..shouldn't have any problem...KDE4'd be a bit heavy,but usable [22:15] I did a search in menuconfig in the the kernel config unfortunately whatever I do an nfs root option isnt there -.-... [22:15] stig (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:16] MLaden anything weird about the radeon you mentioned? [22:17] moovies (n=moovies@190.94.93.176) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [22:17] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [22:17] fatalnix: http://www.linuxpackages.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10822&view=next&sid=11a16b9f7850e018025cbb83052199f4 [22:18] guys help [22:18] fatalnix: old, but it might help you out [22:18] ruben23, what file? [22:18] what do you want? [22:18] i see slackware. DVD.iso md5 only, what to download dvd.iso [22:18] use the torrents luke [22:18] Spanky: dunno...just have experience with intel [22:19] im on the site mirror [22:19] ruben23: only some mirrors carry the iso's. torrents is easier/nicer [22:19] MLanden yes it is intel 2..4 p4 comes with it [22:19] ruben23, http://www.slackware.org/getslack/torrents.php [22:19] ruben23, otherwise if you insist on downloading that way, it will be slower, but you want the .iso [22:19] ok thanks [22:19] Spanky: was refering to the intel video not the cpu [22:19] ill follow the lead [22:20] what you're getting on the torrent is the .iso and the .md5 at least (the .md5 is used to verify file integrity only) [22:20] stig (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [22:20] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] verify slowly [22:20] ;P [22:20] MLanden, ok thanks, yes have heard linux stuff has some issues with radeon also though(forums) [22:20] prolly wh they are free [22:20] If he didn't know what to download there I doubt he'll know what to do with a torrent. [22:21] ruben23, do you know what bittorrent is? [22:21] TwinReverb: yes downloading it now [22:21] ok cool [22:22] so 13 version is stable [22:22] yes [22:22] good good [22:22] and imho you want the dvd [22:22] assuming you have a dvd burner and a blank dvd for use [22:22] TwinReverb: my site application compile the slackware kernel... [22:22] folks,would one need to update the kernel for better support with radeon or would stock do fine? [22:22] before doing the installtion.. [22:22] um i have no clue what you mean by that [22:22] does it need to be compiled..? [22:23] lately, newer is better with x.org [22:23] be it kernel / driver [22:23] MLanden, imho compile the most recent kernel 2.6.31.3 and use that as a separate LILO boot entry, and try it versus the old [22:23] i echo thrice`, newer ought to be better [22:23] Spanky: which radeon does your Dell have? [22:24] my intel graphics get better with each (major) kernel [22:24] thanks godling :) [22:24] fatalnix: did it help? [22:24] open-source radeon is the same [22:24] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:24] fatalnix: I think the basic idea was to create the dev, lilo, and fstab entry [22:25] fatalnix: initrd can handle it pretty easily I'd think [22:26] Spanky (i=89641cfe@gateway/web/freenode/x-ibvthrmmignvteey) left irc: "Page closed" [22:28] thanks,twinreverb..hopefully that'll help the one askin' who had the dell [22:28] Lant (n=Decoy@cpe-071-068-102-115.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:29] MLanden, thank thrice [22:29] i was assuming most recent version = better [22:29] he actually knows most recent = better [22:29] most of the intel/radeon guys develop with bleeding edge kernels, I think :) [22:30] thanks,thrice` [22:31] sure [22:31] ruben23: you don't even have to touch the slackware kernel. [22:32] definitely not. if you're not comfortable, I wouldn't bother [22:34] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:34] hopefully they can get the kinks out with the newer mesa (7.6) [22:37] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] mrselfpwn:ok ill will not [22:37] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] The latest kernel supports gspca webcams for those interested. [22:39] it has for a while bro [22:39] Hmm, it says new. [22:39] the stock slack 13 kernel supports those webcams, just that 2.6.31.3 supports more [22:39] Oh i see. [22:39] maybe some of the individual models in there are marked (NEW) [22:40] my two GSPCA webcams work with stock slack 13 [22:42] iim reading it now [22:42] yeah my old instructor wants to make a pc lab [22:42] so my idea is to root nfs, pxe noot them, then aoe and lvm all of their hard disks for a shared home. [22:43] Okay, well that interesting they all say new to me, and actually looking it over as a matter of fact EVERY video input device is labeled new. I used the .config from default 13 slackware. Anyidea why it does that if it's not really "new"? [22:43] mrselfpwn, maybe due to a change in the CONFIG_ entry in .config like how they're named? [22:44] Could be right I suppose. [22:44] bleh usually i do make oldconfig now before make menuconfig, so that (NEW) items come up. i make 'em all either modules (if i can) or pick the default (Y/N) or pick LZMA [22:44] then i make menuconfig [22:44] btw the new firewire stack is now not labeled EXPERIMENTAL, the same for HFS+ filesystem support [22:44] i can do benchmarking against HFS+ now >8-) [22:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] cool ++ [22:45] I'd like to test btrfs when it gets a little more stable. [22:47] yeah i only use FSs when they are marked stable [22:47] and recently i've been benchmarking them against a 1GB SD card i have for common things i do (upgradepkg, kernel related stuff) [22:48] not benchmarking against theoretical krap. seriously, in real life, am i going to make 5000 symlinks? 8-) [22:48] if i did, surely it would be a shell script gone bad [22:48] right. :D [22:49] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Fuck off with your Star Trek ideas" [22:49] An SD card makes for a good thing to test against. Something you'd use on the regular. [22:49] well it's not tied to spindle speed and such, so i thought in theory it would be a good equal playing field [22:50] and since i don't want to test on my own hard drive, it's also safer lol [22:51] I removed support for ieee1394 even though I have one I never use it. [22:52] why bother removing it? some day you might want to use it and you'd be like "aw @#$" and have to recompile your kernel [22:52] i mean sure though if your computer doesn't have a port i don't see why you need it, but there's always expansion cards too [22:52] yes, though it's easy just to add one module back into the kernel. [22:53] take care,folks...talk with y'all later [22:53] think more like 5 [22:53] MLanden: later [22:53] later MLanden [22:53] nite MLanden [22:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-146-18.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:53] Well yes 5. :P [22:53] Action: thrice` leaves firewire off too [22:54] Action: danc3 does too [22:54] firewire can be set up for some fast transfers from PC to PC though [22:54] if you have the right cable [22:55] nobody has that right cable [22:55] lol [22:55] firewire is kinda like the "beta" tapes back in the VHS wars [22:55] it's actually better, but people don't use it [22:56] especially in these days of gigabit LAN speeds, who needs it? [22:58] ViN86 (n=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-ONE-SEVENTY-TWO.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] I extend my usb with phone cable. It works great. [22:59] yeah, I like using RG-58 coax for that, too [22:59] I just get a tin can and some string [22:59] awesome! [23:00] Dominian: Nice. Pretty good transfer rate? [23:00] oh yeah [23:00] about as good as a pigeon [23:00] ;) [23:00] :D [23:01] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Pref (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [23:01] Action: hitest is enjoying his red wine:) [23:01] danc3, i do [23:01] i have the cable [23:02] and it helps when transferring files to mac (or at least it says but usually mac can't connect because it's retarded) [23:02] but linux to linux you get some nice transfer rates [23:02] suitable for distcc use also (for mini-laptops, if equipped) [23:02] TwinReverb: is it faster than gigabit on a LAN? [23:02] haven't tried that yet [23:03] probably not going to be (obviously) [23:03] but this doesn't require a router [23:03] The thing is that you have to fumble around with another cable, easier to just transfer something over the LAN [23:03] Action: mrselfpwn has a crossover cable. [23:03] but there are times you don't have a router / switch / LAN [23:03] that's what thumb drives are for [23:03] granted if you have the right cable for gigabit (crossover?) the point is moot [23:04] no crossover needed [23:04] thumb drives can't distcc [23:04] just a regular connection between two machines on the lan, or ssh or whatever [23:04] donoban (i=1000@77.211.153.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:04] do you guys just love to intentionally miss the point? [23:04] Well, the thing is actually that I have all the tools to make any ethernet cable I need. So it's easier for me to make a crossover cable. [23:04] there doesn't seem to be a point [23:05] in a situation where you don't have an ethernet cable or LAN to plug into, it is useful. if you have gigabit, you can use that instead if you have the LAN/cable [23:05] there is: you say it's not useful, i'm pointing out situations where it is [23:05] that's also assuming both machines in question have firewire [23:05] many don't [23:05] thumb drive FTW [23:05] there is no win [23:05] yes there is, right there above [23:06] hehe [23:06] ok, how can you distcc over usb stick? [23:06] I don't give a shit about distcc [23:06] ftw [23:06] TwinReverb: I have never been in the situation you describe. [23:06] nor have I [23:06] nor has nearly anyone else... [23:07] if i have another laptop (this case, pentium-M, my old one) compiling a kernel is faster with 3 CPUs over firewire than with one with two cores doing all the work to transfer a file on usb stick [23:07] what situation? [23:07] Action: TwinReverb sigh [23:07] the one i described [23:08] baloney [23:08] I just sat down. describe it again. :P [23:08] scroll up [23:08] like that's a common situation... lol [23:08] be realistic, man. Nobody uses distcc to compile a single kernel for one laptop... jeez [23:08] neither is having gigabit LAN lying around, at least for a military guy like me on a remote assignment [23:09] it's a lot more commonplace than what you are describing [23:09] if it isn't useful why did someone program the necessary tools? [23:09] what branch? [23:09] USAF [23:09] people here typically (though i don't know them all) deploy with one laptop from home. desktops are for stable assignments. [23:10] ah, military security :P [23:10] i could be at a coffee shop and someone has a mac and owns Batman Begins but didn't bring their dvd. viola, transfer iso or vob directly to them [23:11] or in the barracks playing a game against someone in the desert [23:11] or put it on a thumb drive [23:11] (granted linux doesn't have many games) [23:11] or you could just go outside and kill people irl [23:11] assuming the user has a large enough thumb drive. they're losing commonplace as DoD has directed no more USB sticks on gov computers [23:11] just carry around a midget with you so he can yell "Head shot!" into your ear [23:11] yeah there are always random people IRL to just go kill [23:11] godling: HAHA [23:12] he'd have to use a digitizer so it sounded enough like counterstrike [23:12] come on man. thumb drives are huge and cheap. [23:12] TwinReverb: soldiers are sort of half-expected to go all homicidal-rampaging [23:13] tell me where i'm going to buy one if TDY to (say) Africa or Iraq (before AAFES stores arrived) [23:13] wait 2 months for one to arrive via mail, if i'm lucky? [23:13] you bring it with you.... [23:13] TwinReverb: not everyone is on a remote mission in the jungle. I respect you for your service, though it's just not most people. [23:13] the user may not have sticks bigger than 4GB [23:13] my stick is way bigger than 4GB [23:13] that's plenty big enough [23:13] oh wait, thumbdrive [23:13] much less FAT32 doesn't like files bigger than 4GB so you're almost back to square one [23:13] TwinReverb: and trust me I understand. I was in GTMO and you didn't get shit there until the barge arrived. [23:14] the point isn't that these situations are commonplace so stop trying to trump card. [23:14] it's that they may occur [23:14] yeah, I use a lot of files bigger than 4GB... do you? [23:14] who's trying to trump you? [23:14] i'm not trying to trump card [23:14] and having a cable (takes up like very little space) with you can come in handy [23:14] TwinReverb: a metor may hit the earth this weekend, too [23:14] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:14] I think TwinReverb is just being defensive. [23:14] the usual [23:14] i'm being attacked for no reason [23:14] as usual [23:14] nobody is attacking you [23:15] lol "attacked" [23:15] corrected, maybe [23:15] then why to they persist? hmm? [23:15] educated, maybe [23:15] attacked, no [23:15] no, you're not correcting me. i've already found it useful once, and if it wasn't useful, no one would've programmed the tools necessary [23:15] are you sure you're not section 8, airman? [23:15] if he was, how could he be sure? ;) [23:15] there's no scientific law that says firewlre networks are never useful so stop pretending there is [23:15] lol [23:16] wow [23:16] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] :) [23:17] why does it seem like there are so many paranoid people working for the US military? ;P [23:17] TwinReverb where you stationed [23:17] kunsan air base, south korea [23:17] godling, who's paranoid? 8-) [23:18] godling watches too much news [23:18] paranoid is what they call people who _really_know_ what is going on. [23:18] TwinReverb: that guy behind you [23:18] lol [23:18] mrselfpwn: then TwinReverb isn't paranoid... [23:18] paranoid is in the eye of the beholder. i may come across as paranoid, or someone else, but you may not know the full story as to why 8-) [23:19] at least i can say now that i've been to Tonopah Test Range i know for sure there are no such thing as alien life forms [23:19] man, I've been aroudn military guys my entire life. don't presume to tell me where I get _my_ information from spider1010 :P [23:19] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:19] (or at least conspiracies about them) [23:19] yeah, that's great logic there [23:19] yeah, my dad's been out to a specific place in New Mexico and he says the same thing TwinReverb . [23:20] how can you possibly "know" that? [23:20] that's right, you can't [23:20] as much as you can't know it either [23:20] agreed, but I'm not the one making such claims [23:20] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:20] I have to and I'm in the air force too [23:20] so it's settled. you guys don't know anything. [23:20] but i have a lot more useful information towards knowing than someone who just sits at home [23:20] p.s. omaha sucks [23:20] who just sits at home? [23:21] i wasn't referring to anyone specific [23:21] right.......... [23:21] you have no idea..... [23:21] hey you're the one reading into the statement, not me 8-) [23:21] hehe [23:21] echo 0 > /proc/danc3/vm/pissing_contest [23:22] well, there are still people who don't think we went to the moon and, though there is a mirror up there now that is visible. one we put in place and they still think it's false. [23:22] those guys are morons fwiw. with a powerful enough telescope you can see the stuff they left behind [23:22] mrselfpwn: people believe that contrails are actually chemical trails left in the air by government agencies [23:22] s/people/some people/ [23:23] hehe [23:23] TwinReverb: you can? What telescope is that? [23:23] some people are freaking retarded. [23:23] if you look close you can see an astronaut playing halo. [23:24] Action: hitest thinks that anyone who believes in moon landing conspiracies is misguided. [23:24] tomorrow you can watch NASA bomb the moon [23:24] TwinReverb: what telescope can I use to see the American flag planted on the moon? [23:24] assplosion [23:24] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:25] around 04:30 PDT [23:25] need a telescope to see it though [23:25] yup [23:25] I wonder why TwinReverb doesn't answer my question....? LOL [23:25] he's googling [23:25] lol yeah [23:26] nah, just looking it up on Wikipedia [23:26] TwinReverb: see, _now_ we're poking fun at you. ;P [23:26] and about now he's realizing he's made another bullshit claim that he can't back up with any facts.... [23:26] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] I don't know about that. there is stuff left on the moon. [23:27] oh yes, I agree [23:27] yes [23:27] but you can't see it with a telescope [23:27] I don't know if you can [23:27] yeah [23:27] the stuff is small, around people-size [23:27] cans of beer.....and other things [23:27] they also left a few mirrors up there that are relatively small [23:27] lol hitest [23:27] :) [23:27] perhaps with soemthing like a Naval Observatory telescope, but certainly not something available at home. [23:27] mfillpot: yeah [23:28] danc3, because i was taking a shower [23:28] ok, so how about an answer now? [23:28] i never said civilians can get a telescope powerful enough [23:28] i said with a powerful enough telescope [23:29] http://spacegrant.nmsu.edu/lunarlegacies/artifactlist.html [23:29] find me a telescope powerful enough to scope out a pair of boots on the moon's surface. [23:29] TwinReverb: you said "with a powerful enough telescope, *YOU* can see..." [23:29] didn't say boots [23:29] I can't see anything [23:29] your time starts now [23:29] danc3: the answer is 42 [23:29] the bottom half of the lander is up there [23:29] TwinReverb: that's the kind of stuff they left behind [23:29] and a flag [23:29] and some golf balls [23:30] danc3: there's a list at that url [23:30] wait............ yes! I can see a golf ball! It's a Nike! [23:30] true, but i wasn't saying let's see shoes, i was referring to something larger [23:30] no, it's a Titleist [23:31] Yo danc3! I'm really happy for you and I'm going to let you finish, but Fox News has the best one sided views of all times. OF ALL TIMES. [23:31] actually he's making them look fair and balanced [23:31] :D [23:31] TwinReverb: the biggest thing left by Apollo 11 is the descent module, I think. [23:32] yeah that's what i was referring to [23:32] TwinReverb: with what telescope can I see that descent module? [23:32] twinreverb i've been waiting to use that for like 2 weeks. damn [23:32] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] danc3, i dunno, you find out for me [23:32] all my plans done for [23:32] because i never said it was one you can buy [23:32] hmm, one astronauts trash is another man's archeological treasure. [23:32] TwinReverb: you made the claim, I'm asking you to back it up [23:32] I think you people are ridiculous. [23:32] i never said "that you can buy" [23:33] i said "with a powerful enough telescope" [23:33] spider1010: agreed. for pin-headed right-wing propaganda, Fox is exceptional. [23:33] where did I use the word "buy"??? [23:33] nobody said you did TwinReverb [23:33] :P [23:33] if a dongle is really a computer part, could one say 'suck my dongle' in a public place of non-computer people? [23:33] [23:33] you're asking for a model telescope to go get to see it with. i'm not an astronomer. [23:33] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] dchmelik: sounds too much like dong [23:33] however, the wreckage is on "our side" of the moon and given the right telescope, you can see it [23:33] TwinReverb: if you're not an astronomer, how can you make such claims? [23:34] TwinReverb: what telescope is that? [23:34] common sense [23:34] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [23:34] because he's really god [23:34] common sense? [23:34] really? [23:34] i never said how powerful the telescope had to be, just if it's powerful enough [23:34] common sense: [23:34] common sense is not a type of telescope [23:34] TwinReverb: don't quit your day job [23:34] 1) they left stuff on our side of the moon [23:34] 2) you use telescopes to see things far away [23:35] The major issie with having a telescope powerfull enough to see out remnants on the moon is that the orbiting speed of the moon would make it very hard to focus on items so small without some sort of assistance from an automatic adjustment motor [23:35] TwinReverb: well, if I had a powerful enough light bulb, I could obliterate the sun's light by overcoming it and pushing all it's light back into the sun. [23:35] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [23:35] http://science.howstuffworks.com/question188.htm [23:35] explanation (scientific) disproving TwinReverb's claim [23:35] um, no, that's not how light works afaik [23:35] TwinReverb: I know that... just making a ridiculous claim, like yours [23:35] I was about to bust out the measurements myself but found Googling was easier. [23:36] yep, that explanation pretty much spanks TwinReverb right into his bedroom, without supper. [23:36] nope, i said with a powerful enough telescope [23:37] jesus [23:37] the article explains that we don't have one yet that is powerful enough [23:37] TwinReverb: dude, just shut up [23:37] what telescope is more powerful than Hubble [23:37] i never said the telescope exists today [23:37] TwinReverb: loses the argument, badly. [23:37] TwinReverb: it's more dignified to admit you are wrong than continue being an ass [23:37] no kidding [23:37] talk about childish [23:38] I have hard a hard enough time focusing on individual craters with the rate of orbit constantly moving the object, I can't imagine trying to track a small object [23:38] Action: hitest wonders if this will be settled with arm wrestling or a flatulence contest. [23:38] Will all of them space studying people that looks at them there lights in that sky please stand up. [23:38] it's already settled. TwinReverb loses, badly. [23:38] no, stupid is as stupid does. i made a broad but correct statement. whether or not you can own one / construct one doesn't matter. no one in physics refutes the "given a large enough stick and a proper fulcrum, i can move the earth" in the principles of leverage portion. [23:38] more bullshit from a bullshitter. [23:39] both conversations have shown that certain people live only to make others look stupid without regard to what they said [23:39] welcome to ignore [23:39] no, the conversation shows that some people are stupid, regardless of what they say. [23:39] that's you [23:39] oh no [23:39] where will I go? What will I do? [23:39] gentlemen [23:39] godling, answer that for yourself [23:39] sigh [23:40] TwinReverb: dude, it was a quote from a film :P [23:40] that's enough TwinReverb spanking for now [23:40] interesting time to bring this window into focus [23:40] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [23:40] diven: nerdrage 2000 [23:40] it's gettin too easy, anyway [23:40] Guest17318 (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [23:40] and just because dongles sound like that and are also long, i object to their name [23:40] Congratulations you all win NOTHING. But you have proved that all of you can use google. [23:40] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:41] spider1010: ask your mom about what else I can do [23:41] anyone who thinks there was a win or lose to the conversation missed the point entirely [23:41] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] TwinReverb: nope, everyone knows that you lost the argument, and badly. [23:41] A debate is always a good thing. [23:41] meh. whoever wins, you're still in the air force TwinReverb [23:41] who's the real loser? ;P [23:41] hahaha [23:41] Wow I must have hurt you little 12 yr old feelings to go to a mom joke [23:41] i'll get back to you after i retire at 20 yrs [23:41] a debate with out me ? [23:42] spider1010: no, actually I'm not taking htis very seriously at all :) [23:42] deco: not a debate. A TwinReverb spanking party. [23:42] hence the mom joke [23:42] danc3: nice :D [23:42] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:42] i heard on a radio talk station that a 4-year old was being faced with possibly having to register in the sex offenders list for looking under a public restroom stall. i'm not sure what the turn out ended up being though. [23:42] Nice to see the off topic chat still occurrs [23:42] blech [23:42] yes [23:42] TwinReverb do you use books24x7 [23:43] Dominian: what else are we going to talk about? [23:43] Action: Dominian looks at the channel name.. [23:43] isn't it obvious? [23:43] ;P [23:43] Gee, Slackware is sure great. [23:43] SLACKWARE [23:43] Ok, now what? [23:43] Yes it is [23:43] If someone had problems then that would be another story. [23:43] well sql is great , it's fun [23:44] i learned to inser , update, delete stuff [23:44] insert* [23:44] that is all [23:44] bye [23:44] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:44] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [23:45] if I want PAM on slackware, what do I do? [23:45] TwinReverb: Do you use books24x7 through the IT-Educations like on the Home page of the Portal [23:45] goldfrapp is a cool band. [23:45] *link [23:46] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1736 [23:46] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:47] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left ##slackware ("/*Leaving*/"). [23:47] Congratulations people, The TwinReverb was scared off. I said no sudden movements. [23:48] Dominian: ever consider putting in a random quote list on noobfarm? [23:48] what the hell is that crap [23:49] hmm random quotes would be good [23:49] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:51] godling: yes [23:51] that makes the 20th request tonight hehe [23:51] I guess I should probably look into it [23:52] really? hah [23:52] people are probably just used to it from bash.org and such [23:52] :) [23:52] Eventually noobfarm will get an overhaul [23:52] when.. I have no idea [23:53] I just checked and it appears that I am not on noobfarm, is that a good or bad thing? [23:53] just means you haven't said anything stupid.... yet [23:53] :) [23:54] it just means he hasn't been caught saying anything stupid [23:54] Dominian: I know that I definitely have said a few stupid things, but I think you didn't catch them [23:54] mfillpot: quick! say something stupid! [23:55] keres_ (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:56] godling: the dumbest thing I can think of right now is your name [23:56] Well, I have the RAND() function sorted out already [23:57] mfillpot: you know my name? [23:57] :P [23:57] my $zombie = rand($dominian); [23:58] would there be any kind of license, patent or copyright violations if I setup a script to output a random quote from fortunes on twitter every hour? [23:58] godling: I only know your nick and thats enough for me [23:59] mfillpot: twitter has enough rabdom crap already [00:00] --- Fri Oct 9 2009