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[00:08] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:08] sailhenc: humm what? [00:09] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [00:09] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:12] alright cool, I'm getting the hang of this now. Figuring out how to use the pkgtool, pretty nice. [00:13] whats your favorite pkgtool command? [00:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:14] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:14] installpkg porn.txz [00:14] hehe [00:14] what was yours briareus when you started using it 10 years ago? [00:14] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:14] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:15] i haven't used slackware for 10 years [00:15] not my point [00:15] i am missing it [00:15] Action: alreadygone shrugs [00:15] come on, vbox, I needja [00:16] mach_kernel: dig it [00:17] i used me some linux since 10 years [00:17] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:17] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:17] rpm stuff first [00:17] mandrake [00:18] redhat [00:18] debian variants [00:19] sourcemage [00:19] --which is truly my favorite i believe [00:19] slackware, which just works [00:19] always [00:20] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [00:20] for me anyway ('cept when i brake it) [00:22] slackware works?!?! [00:22] sailhenc (~sailhenc@visualserver.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:22] rworkman: well I added /sbin and /usr/sbin to my path but...maybe I need to log out or something. [00:22] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:23] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: round and round we go, where I stop... sleeping in my bed ! [00:26] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:27] bleeding|edge (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [00:28] Nick change: mach_kernel -> dormant_kernel [00:28] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:28] night night! don't let the packets bite! [00:29] what about if they nybble [00:29] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:33] when you start rxvt-unicode, how do you have it set the TERM=rxvt-unicode ? [00:34] i know i could type it in manually or put in the .bashrc ..but it seems like this should just happen when i start rxvt-unicode [00:34] ah! [00:34] found it :-P [00:34] -tn termname flag [00:35] Action: fhobia edits his .Xdefaults [00:35] oh shit, i had it in there already [00:40] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:41] sladegen (~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:41] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:47] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:48] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:48] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:51] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.229.237) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:53] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:54] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.90.209) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:56] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [00:56] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [00:57] nheco (~nheco@189-72-60-146.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:57] ha cool I figured it out finally [00:57] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] rworkman: I figured it out finally [00:58] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:59] what'd ya figgle out? [01:01] I was having problems with sudoers [01:02] with the sudoers file? [01:02] I wasn't able to access pkgtool, and rworkman told me because /sbin and /usr/sbin wasn't in my path [01:02] Anybody's using an Intel GM965/GL960? And if yes, which version of xf86-video-intel do you use? [01:02] well I added the user to /etc/sudoers [01:02] but I had to change the PATH [01:02] environmental variables I think it's called [01:02] so you want you users to be ale to install/remove packages? [01:02] *your users [01:03] I had to assign values to variables right? [01:03] i had to add /sbin and /usr/sbin to my PATH= [01:03] yup seems I figured it out [01:03] or you could call them with full path [01:04] mancha: ah okie I gotcha [01:04] instead of "installpkg" "/sbin/installpkg" [01:04] mancha: so wherever pkgtool is I could call it [01:04] I'll add that to my notes [01:04] hexdump_: You always can, provided you use the right path of course [01:05] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-91.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:05] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:05] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:05] gotcha thanks [01:06] I'm installing all the packages now. ha I was like arrr why am I not able to install packages. tried installpkg *.txz pfff wasn't even in the right directory [01:07] put also I could have just did installpkg /path/*.txz [01:07] err? [01:07] I'll try that out next [01:07] hexdump_: Right. Or relative/path/to/file [01:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:08] E.g.: vhann@pc:/home/vhann $ bin/script.sh would execute /home/vhann/bin/script.sh [01:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:08] right [01:12] hexdump_: might want to use *.t?z as some packages are still .tgz [01:12] ah [01:12] i recommend against that [01:12] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.36) joined ##slackware. [01:13] mancha: is there some sort of conflict that occurs? [01:13] sailhenc (~sailhenc@visualserver.org) joined ##slackware. [01:13] no, but are there any official slackware 13 packages that are not .txz? [01:13] vhann_, check AlienBOB's alien pastures....think I recall reading 'bout how to get the Intel GMA chips to work nicely with the newer 2.10 driver [01:13] mancha: yes [01:14] I was also trying to figure out a way to install an entire directory of packages recursively instead of doing installpkg /a/*.txz ; installpkg /d/*.txz [01:14] broke, which? [01:14] pkgtools and slackpkg for two [01:14] or maybe I could write a script to do it for me [01:15] MLanden: This: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ ? [01:15] something like for files in *.txz; do installpkg [01:15] vhann_, his blog http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/ [01:16] hexdump, are you on a previous version upgrading to slack 13? [01:16] macha: nah first time and I didn't install all the packages I wanted during install. I screwed something up. [01:17] I think I may have burned a duplicate cd and left one out or something now I'm just trying to install everything so I don't miss anything. [01:17] hexdump_: I use a `for' loop to upgrade all packages. [01:18] Humm, I've removed device notifier widget... (partprobe command don't pop up storagevolume _unclosable_ window with "open with dolphin" suggestions... [01:18] hexdump, brokedown's point is that all the pkgtool-related stuff is in tgz for the upgraders benefit: gzip, tar, pkgtools, lackpkg, and probably xz [01:18] Mel-nix: could I just do a find command then installpkg [01:18] vhann_, but not 100% positive..but there are entries of various laptop users with Intel graphics so should be a some assistance [01:18] also you don't need for file in *.txz; do installpkg; done [01:19] Mel-nix: I'll try that [01:19] installpkg *.txz does that [01:19] sweet [01:19] wait but I have multiple directories [01:19] it is called filename expansion, and bash provides it to you, free. [01:19] whooo [01:19] lemme try installpkg *.t?z then right? automatically install recursively? [01:20] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [01:20] tjat won't do recursive [01:20] MLanden: Ok, I'll try searching but this is weird. The only I am unable to do is play fullscreen games with Wine. Even fullscreen dosbox works :S [01:20] I'll have to do a loop [01:20] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:21] hexdump_: find /path/to/cd -name "*.t?z" -exec installpkg {} \; [01:21] but really the only question is should I do *.txz or *.t?z I've had a couple different responses [01:21] vhann_, maybe mesa [01:21] vhann_: yeah I was thinking something similar to that [01:21] if it is from official install media then t?z is fine [01:21] since dosbox just makes calls to sdl [01:22] MLanden: What do you mean? My mesa would be the one thing which is screwed? [01:22] I'm not real great at using the shell yet tho [01:22] Not sure if that last sentence made any sense... [01:22] johndee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:22] yeah it's from the slackware DVD [01:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:22] greeings ## [01:23] MLanden: Which mesa version do you use? [01:23] vhann_, could be....I'm using an older 865g and tries to use the newer mesa with wine only to have to roll back to 7.6 [01:23] hi johndee [01:23] vhann_: glxinfo(1) can be of help. [01:23] sladegen (~nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [01:24] vhann_: would something like this work? for in in $(find . -name *.t?z) ; do installpkg \; [01:24] typing one for each dir: a, ap, etc. you'd be done by nowe [01:25] vhann_: Which version of wine? [01:25] mancha: yeah I know, I'm in no hurry tho [01:25] Mel-nix: glxinfo reports direct rendering to be activated. Wine 1.1.41 atm [01:25] i'd just do upgradepkg --install-new */*.t?z from the slackware dir [01:25] MLanden: I'm using Mesa 7.5 :S [01:26] ok, cool, let's talk about the script another hour then :) [01:26] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:26] lol alright I'm outta here [01:26] thanks everybody [01:26] hexdump_: There are some errors in your shell command and it wouldn't be a very effective way of doing what you want [01:27] vhann_, which xorg-server? stuck at 1.6.3..tried to use 1.7 only for it to slow to a crawl and tear [01:27] vhann_: cool I'm learning I'll get it eventually. thanks buddy [01:27] MLanden: I use xorg-server 1.6.3 too [01:27] hexdump_: No problem, check the manpages in case of doubt ;) [01:28] hexdump_: here is a good place to learn about bash: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html [01:29] mancha: Yeah, he'd be done for this one job, but learning to automate things is never wasted time if you ask me [01:29] brokedown: thanks got it. I'm out. Time to read... [01:31] vhann_, check out matters entries at lq..here's on for example that has helped http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xf86-video-intel-2-9-0-i486-1-tgz-how-to-identify-to-xorg-conf-to-make-sure-it-runs-782257/ [01:32] vhann_: What does the line "OpenGL renderer string:" form the output of glxinfo show? [01:33] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 [01:33] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:34] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:36] Naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-91.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:37] Mel-nix: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 [01:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:38] vhann_: Why do you not use v 2.10 of the Intel graphics driver? [01:40] sailhenc (~sailhenc@visualserver.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:40] Mel-nix: How do I do that? By upgrading xf86-video-intel ? [01:41] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:43] vhann_: I initially had the `915' graphics adapter, then upgraded the motherboard to have `G41'. In both cases I have found it to work well. Although in the latter case, full-screen games work well too. Even in wine. My problems have been solved by upgrading to `current', but I cannot advise you to do that. However you are free to take the risk. [01:44] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:47] Mel-nix: Ok. But do you know how to upgrade the Intel graphics driver? [01:47] I just tried playing World of Goo (natively) and it runs perfectly fine, I wonder if the problem ain't linked to Wine [01:50] vhann_: You can get it if you upgrade to `-current', but if you want to be safe(r), you can selectively upgrade to the required packages (from -current). A visit to the Intel graphics driver's site will tell you about the related/required packages such as Mesa, dri2proto, etc. [01:52] vhann_, I also had some probs with wine 1.1.41..but when I build and installed wine 1.1.39...no probs...you could try and see if 1.1.40 works for you [01:53] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] MLanden: Thanks for the hint. I'm already building 1.1.28, and a bisect between 1.1.42 and some older version [01:54] vhann_: Yes, wine 1.1.41 had problems, so I reverted to 1.1.40. [01:55] But since my laptop's processing power is so incredible, I should be done in about a year or two [01:56] could be their new d3d engine doesn't take to intel's changes [01:58] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:59] MLanden: Maybe, I'm not too good with Wine's internals yet [02:00] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [02:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:01] Mel-nix, with that g41 upgrade,was wine able to pick up on anything that's OpenGL 2.0 or is that still experimental? [02:03] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] MLanden: Sorry I don't know. How do I find out? [02:06] noobInSlackware (~noobInSla@79.114.224.29) joined ##slackware. [02:07] Traveler (~traveler@cpe-173-169-225-198.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:07] Mel-nix, dunno right off the top of my head..was referring to some of games that might make calls to it [02:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:08] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] chaosparser (~chaospars@cpe-173-169-225-198.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:11] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-28.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:11] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-226.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:11] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:12] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Tusk (~Tusk@213.200.235.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:24] something really weird is going on with my server [02:24] is it turning blue? [02:24] yeah something like that [02:24] I just typed df -l [02:25] and every few seconds seems the space available keeps getting less and less [02:25] ever happened to anybody? [02:25] nope [02:25] nope. something is easting up your HD....logs? [02:25] ls -lh /var/log [02:25] yeah probably and error [02:25] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:26] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.50.100) joined ##slackware. [02:26] yeah I checked the logs but not thoroughly yet. [02:26] don't check em, just tye what i wrote (sheesh) and see if any file is huge [02:26] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [02:28] hmmm I dunno [02:29] nothing looks strange [02:29] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:30] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Action: slava_dp o/ [02:31] I'll be back [02:31] mancha: I know thanks [02:32] I gotta find out wtf is goin on [02:32] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.249.104.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:44] it makes me wanna rush out to best fry and pick me up one....*not* [02:44] :> [02:44] :3 [02:44] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-138.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:47] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:48] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Good evening slackers. [02:49] How's the weather in the channel? [02:49] :3 pretty calm here tonight [02:49] partly sunny with scattered noobs [02:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] luckily not raining n000bs [02:49] hexdump_: Except the fact your HD is slowly filling up [02:50] 08:48AM in southern norway and sunny :D [02:50] mostly dark with a near 100% chance of light toward dawn [02:50] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [02:50] wow.. vim continues to amaze me. i just discovered by typing :X instead of :x that you can encrypt files with a symmetric key :) [02:51] (: [02:51] t0f: Eh, those weather forecasters never know what they're talking about. ;) [02:51] vhann_: yeah I'll fix that in a sec [02:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:51] godling: true [02:51] v3guard, type, :help 42 [02:51] Vim is indeed awesome, v3gard [02:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:52] I wish vim.org was as awesome. ;P [02:53] haha mancha. nice one :) [02:53] i remember learning vi in the 80's and thought it was the worse editor ever, but today? the best [02:54] t0f, on what machine,dos or amiga for example? [02:54] v3guard, it is weak encryption though, don't rely on it for serious stuff. [02:54] xenix [02:55] on a pc [02:55] I'm sure you guys have read about Ed Roberts? [02:55] yeah [02:56] Bummer. [02:56] (not that you heard about it, but for the obvious reason) [02:57] morning [02:57] he really wasn't all that old either :/ [02:57] I wonder if he was a happy man. His Wikipedia picture makes him look so severe. [02:57] mancha: would you happen to know what cipher vim uses? [02:58] v3gard: The Hertel algorithm I believe :p [02:58] i think it is des, but don't hold me to it [02:58] what's the package asking me for my password on runlevel{1,2,3}? think it's shadow but not sure and I have a security problem with it (namely, my password can be visible) [02:59] :X [02:59] bad command name X [02:59] trhodes: Did you know that in addition to being an electrical engineer that he was also a medical doctor? [02:59] hm [02:59] so I'll probably try to patch it but I want to be sure I'm looking in the sources of the proper package [02:59] trhodes: I thought that was awesome. [02:59] godling: yeah, i read more about him when I saw the news [03:00] he was a talented guy [03:00] I really looked at the Altair 8800 too. It was a nice machine. [03:00] It made me giddy actually. [03:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:01] That switch input system is crazy, especially when you realize that you're basically using them to flip bits between different buses. [03:01] Talk about carpal tunnel syndrome. :P [03:01] haha [03:02] a few days earlier, i ran into a web page that used to be served on an 8800 [03:02] (somehow) [03:02] the machine had been taken off the web because of the interest it drew :) [03:02] Camarade_Tux: Sorry, I don't know what package you're looking for. I can root around online though. [03:03] Camarade_Tux: the password is being echoed ?! [03:04] Camarade_Tux: might actually be "login"? [03:04] afaik, it's agetty that spawns login which handles the input [03:05] trhodes: somehow: if there is some lag after I type my username, I won't get a "password" prompt right away and the linux console will display what I'm typing [03:05] oh ok [03:05] I should wait for the "password" prompt to appear, but who always does that? [03:05] haha [03:05] so today I ended up writing half my password in clear and the other half in password [03:06] You mean you are typing faster than the prompt appears? I do that sometimes and the login prompt will only read half of what I typed. [03:06] trhodes, lol...reminds me of something I saw on youtube not too long ago...play ZORK like a master http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRj_bDPuLg [03:06] Nick change: jeagoss -> jeagone [03:06] Camarade_Tux: ^ [03:06] BP{k}: don't have a package with such a name? [03:06] Sorry, I just ate an entire box of marshmallow Peeps. [03:06] lol [03:06] I'm a little excitable atm. [03:07] godling: worse: if you type your whole password and press return before the password prompt appear, it will be completely fucked up [03:07] it'll ask you for your login name again and then, it won't ask you for your password... [03:07] that's freaking weird [03:07] BP{k}: can't find a package with such a name [03:07] There's no "login" package on my machine either. [03:08] actually I believe it's reading what's in the buffer [03:08] I think it should make sure there's nothing in the stdin buffer before asking you for your login name [03:08] It's really stupid. [03:09] godling,lol..are you ok? you aren't showing these symptoms,are you http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/31682.jpg [03:09] wow, cute overload [03:09] (shadow provides login) [03:09] MLanden: .... [03:09] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:09] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] That's what I thought, trhodes [03:10] MLanden: haha, that 8080 sure takes it's time :) [03:10] trhodes: ok :-) [03:10] anyways, Camarade_Tux, are you trying to change the timeout or something? [03:10] no, not the timeout at all [03:11] v3gard i am wrong, appears vim uses pkzip's encrypion, not des [03:11] after I type and validate my username, the system lags a bit (HD LED blinking), that's why the password prompt takes time to appear [03:12] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:12] /etc/login.defs is the file to set all those parameters in [03:12] trhodes, true..not for the microwave generation...like what my science teacher used to say...stick a roast in the oven,take a stroll,talk with the neighbors...hopefully,be loaded by then [03:12] Camarade_Tux: has this always happened or has it just recently been happening? [03:12] yeah my /var folder is like 63gigs [03:12] j0z (~SPH@201.47.12.15.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:12] j0z (~SPH@201.47.12.15.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [03:12] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [03:12] wot [03:12] and on a laptop on a small low table in the living room with a short ethernet cable with low screen luminosity, with low battery life, and worst of all, no breakfast! brb [03:13] logs [03:13] ah nm [03:13] godling: not always I think but for some time [03:13] I counted everything including my server [03:13] that's a lot of freaking logfiles, my friend [03:13] hexdump_: you must have logfiles from the 1800's (: [03:13] I'll check my logs again [03:13] :) [03:13] log folder almost a gig [03:13] MLanden: the oldest machine I've used (and it's my age) is a commodore 64; it's my only CP/M experience . BTW, that peeps pic is great :) [03:14] t0f: What tz are you in? [03:14] my bad my www folder is like 60 gigs and my log folder is almost 1 gig [03:14] I'm just curious [03:14] ah! 4-bit technology [03:14] godling: tz? [03:14] time zone [03:15] sorry, time zone [03:15] eastern usa [03:16] well dunno nothing seems to be changing now. My hard drive space looks like it's remaning the same now [03:16] hrm. I was trying to find some corroboration between location and the orientation of the emoticons people type (ie. I use :), but am on the west coast) [03:16] hmmm, my mother is on vista and just complained she couldn't play freecell anymore, not sure what's worse [03:17] godling: i use :) just to be different [03:17] lol [03:17] i mean (: [03:17] ha! I got you! imposter! [03:17] lol [03:17] =] is easy to type the the qwerty types [03:17] Camarade_Tux: /bin/login is part of shadow :p [03:17] Action: t0f is nabbed [03:18] BP{k}: ;-) [03:18] BP{k}: too early in the morning ;-) [03:18] Camarade_Tux: numpty. [03:18] trhodes, same here...never had much luck with running cp/m with the C64 or C128...by that time,was messin' with MSDOS and Amiga [03:18] and I knew about the "login" bin, just didn't make the link ^^ [03:18] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.129.40) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:19] my ti99 4/A could address a whole 32K of ram [03:19] BP{k}: ='( [03:19] everytime I type df -l it's logged isn't it? [03:19] I know that's a dumb question but oh well [03:20] nope, it's just stdout [03:20] Camarade_Tux: ;) [03:20] -l, --local [03:20] limit listing to local file systems [03:20] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-33.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:20] man [03:20] shell history? [03:20] anyway, bbl =) [03:21] hexdump_: you can hide repetitive entries in your history [03:22] hexdump_: Google histignore [03:22] godling: it's strange I'll type df -l and free space reduces then goes back up a little then down then up a little [03:22] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-138.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:22] oh, that's not what you meant [03:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-188.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:23] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:23] hexdump_: how much is the variation ? [03:24] and is there a trend ? [03:24] hang on let me check [03:25] watch -d -n 1 'df -l' # or so [03:25] a few bits at a time sometimes a couple bytes [03:25] that's insignificant [03:25] (unless it's a trend) [03:26] I know but my server is online for days and days and days [03:26] I'm just curious as to why that even happens [03:26] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.127.231) joined ##slackware. [03:26] I'll see what I can come up with [03:26] yawn [03:26] next topic [03:27] lol alright thanks all [03:28] hi, if cat /etc/resolv.conf says nameserver 208.67.222.222 nameserver 208.67.220.220 and /var/log/messages says primary DNS address 202.125.156.118 econdary DNS address 202.125.153.221 what is going on? from where is these name server addresses are getting picked? [03:28] ate you using some kind of ppp? [03:28] yes [03:28] it's a 3G USB device [03:28] so that is ppp reporting the dns's which it apparently isn't setting in resolv.conf [03:29] what to do? [03:30] does it not work? [03:30] it's working fine [03:30] sothen do nothing [03:30] hexdump_: how much space left on the partition? [03:30] 4 gig [03:30] and which FS [03:30] ? [03:31] ok, what could I do if there were something wrong? [03:31] you don't have to worry about it [03:31] like slow speed [03:31] ext4 [03:31] look, just forget about it [03:31] alreadygone: could you clarify what you mean by slow speed? [03:31] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:32] Camarade_Tux: no biggie, I'll figure it out [03:32] alreadygone: dns will affect your name resolution speed but as far as bandwidth goes, that's another thing altogether. [03:32] like it used to be ~200KB now it never passes ~80-100KB [03:32] Camarade_Tux: Thanks tho [03:32] you would need to code it up in your ip-up script [03:32] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [03:32] bleeding|edge (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [03:32] that's unrelated to th edns thing [03:32] ok thanks guys [03:32] talk to your provider about yuour speed problem [03:32] :-) [03:33] nah, I know it is run by morons, I'm lucky it works [03:33] well dns is not the right place to look for answers on the bandwidth reduction [03:34] okie [03:34] Technically a lag in name resolution speed might slow down throughput but I don't think it'd be really significant at all. [03:35] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:36] i see [03:37] Isn't "I see" a universal euphemism for "I have know idea what you are talking about but ok"? :) [03:38] i used grep -r "202.125.156.118" * on the whole /usr/local directory, and I found that that address is present in a binary file named "pppd2.tdb" [03:38] o_O [03:38] try grepping /etc/ppp [03:38] ok [03:38] why for? [03:39] nothing comes up [03:39] strange, i'd have thought /etc/ppp/resolv.conf but who knows [03:40] the only resolv.conf I know of is /etc/resolv.conf, mancha [03:40] please shut up [03:40] Is there another? [03:41] the driver for this USB 3G device is written by some Chinese guy, and one resolv.conf is located in /usr/local/hw_pppd/etc/ppp [03:41] I'll pastebin the scripts present in this folder [03:41] aha, ok, so they use /usr/local/hw_pppd to preface /etc/ppp [03:41] oh, that kinda explains why the tdb file is under /usr/local -- that seemed weird [03:42] wawowe (1000@cpe-024-211-210-089.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:43] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [03:43] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:44] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:45] kindly have a look: http://www.pastie.org/911041 [03:45] mancha: Prefacing the phrase "shut up" with please just makes you look like more of a prick. :P [03:45] You could have just answered my question. [03:46] already, so you commented out the changing of /etc/resolv.conf or was that in the script that you got? [03:46] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:46] I commented the changing of /etc/resolv.conf [03:46] ok so you know the answer to why it is not changing it then! [03:47] Wow. [03:47] your system is using /etc/resolv/conf regardless of what your logs report [03:48] ppp is just updating that /path/from/hell/etc/resolv.conf and then your doctored ip-up is not letting it propagate to your system /etc/resolv.conf. this is what you want right? same dns server s no matter what? [03:48] but if I un-comment it, and put my own resolv.conf in /usr/local/hw_pppd, when I connect the internet, my /etc/resolv.conf will have the 202.125.156.118 as dns servers [03:49] it will have whatever the ppp peer reports on that connection [03:50] hmm, well, after a week, my /etc/resolv.conf will have like 20 nameserver entries [03:50] because the ip-up script is a bit fucked. it uses append: cat "${MYPWD}/resolv.conf.local" >> /etc/resolv.conf [03:50] goj (~goj@p4FE6E346.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:51] Action: alreadygone should learn bash scripting [03:51] a little at least [03:51] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-33.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:52] alreadygone, to give you an idea: it takes your current resolve.conf, copies it to a temporary place, puts the new peer dns's in resolve.conf and puts back the original afterwards [03:53] you should have noticed it was last on top, right? [03:53] yes!! [03:53] you can change the script to only have the new ones in there, keep it as is, or else do what you did which is comment it out and only have your own in /etc/resolv.conf [03:54] like i said, this is not why you have less bandwidth. [03:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:55] I understand that part now ... but I don't like those DNS servers :) [03:55] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] Electricity will go out in 6 minutes... I'll find a way to fix this now that I have a little idea what is going on [03:56] goj (~goj@p4FE6F4DE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] must shut down the PC, see ya later, bye [03:57] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.212) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:57] cu alreadygone [03:57] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.127.231) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:58] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:58] [euK] (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [03:58] http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0l9p6eMvk1qzo0vqo1_500.jpg [03:58] lmalo [03:58] lmao [03:58] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable" [03:58] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-194.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:59] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:59] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:00] That must be one of those new Cartesian pencil sharpeners. [04:03] Nick change: [euK] -> viscosity [04:03] i think those same guys open garage doors [04:07] Nick change: viscosity -> visco [04:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:13] cmk_zzz (~karlsson@122.58.182.213) joined ##slackware. [04:13] nheco (~nheco@189-72-60-146.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:14] error_developer_ (~barby@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:14] hi [04:15] i have just upgraded to -current [04:15] few probs ;( [04:15] free breakfast at work! =) [04:15] ati driver not working and some udev problem .. [04:15] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:16] ati isnt part of slackware, but i've never used it [04:16] and what udev problems [04:16] like /dev/input/event* and /dev/snd/* missing ;*( [04:16] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:17] i didn't upgrade the kernel ..hm, do i really have to? [04:17] well they are prob related to the drivers you are using [04:17] man iptables is great [04:17] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [04:19] speakign of which, anyone use iptables to modify openssh version header? [04:20] sorry man I'm new just now learning how to use it [04:20] phrag: why would you want to do that? [04:22] i have my reasons =) [04:23] phrag: Ok, so you want to change it from 1 to 2? [04:26] no, openssh daemon version, not ssh version [04:26] doesnt mater, was just asking if anyone did [04:26] ah ok, well obviously I'm not;) [04:27] visco (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: visco [04:29] visco (~euK]@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] phrag: http://marc.info/?l=focus-linux&m=111435976121046&w=2 [04:29] that might help you [04:29] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-133-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:29] I've never done it myself but it seems reasonable. [04:29] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [04:30] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-148.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:30] crap, those links are broken [04:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-194.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:30] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [04:32] Here's a link to a libipq tutorial: http://4j.blogspot.com/2007/11/passing-packets-from-kernel-land-to.html [04:32] phrag: ^^ [04:32] ooh thanks godling =) [04:32] it's from 2007 mind you [04:32] there might be better ways to do it now but I have no idea [04:33] There goes the Internet. [04:33] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:34] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:53] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:00] despiron (~despiron@187.64.98.14) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [05:00] cmk_zzz (~karlsson@122.58.182.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:03] alienBOB: I saw your dropbox-client package. Do you know if there's any simple way to make that thing work with xfce? [05:05] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.112.37) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:08] Morn [05:08] Kaapa: I use it with XFCE too [05:09] alienBOB: do I need anything besides that - or to do anything else? [05:10] I assume I still need the daemon? [05:11] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:13] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:14] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:14] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:15] Kaapa, it works with xfce for me [05:16] slava_dp: my question should be - where can I read instructions on how to setup dropbox integration in slackware? [05:16] I'm assuming just installing alienBOB's dropbox-client is not enough [05:17] Why? [05:17] just install it and run? [05:17] Install it, then run the dropbox menu entry, and the rest is automatic [05:17] Kaapa, sometimes the habit of reading docs beforehand doesn't help :) [05:18] "run the dropbox menu client" <- Ah! That was the missing link! [05:18] you're right - I'm not used to this kind of goodies in slack :) [05:19] I downloaded the 18mb code they have in their page - how could I thought that a simple 100k executable would do what the other beast doesn't? [05:20] wow [05:20] and it's working - amazing! [05:22] one last question [05:22] it says in the "how to use the public folder": "Right-click/control-click this file, then choose Dropbox > Copy Public Link. This copies the Internet link to your file so that you can paste it somewhere else" [05:23] doesn't work in xfce [05:23] ah - k [05:23] go to the webinterface and copy the link from there. [05:23] I assume it's a static link, though? [05:23] ok! [05:23] should work in kde though.... [05:23] Yes [05:23] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.249.104.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:24] Well no [05:24] slava_dp: where in he webinterface can I copy the link? [05:24] I always use the web interface [05:25] Rightclick the dropbox tray icon, and "launch dropbox website" [05:25] yes, I'm on the website [05:25] Then go into your public folder, and right-click any entry there [05:25] got it! [05:26] The link you get is static, it will not change over time, so it remains valid forever [05:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:27] right click on the webinterface is awesome [05:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-92.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:27] I thought the link was to the entire folder [05:27] not to each file individually [05:27] Action: slava_dp <3 dropbox devs [05:27] great stuff [05:27] not really understanding the dropbox love-in [05:28] wanna share a folder, make an archive out of it and give a link to it [05:28] Zordrak: man - I use pens to swap files with the guys around me :p [05:28] ... k [05:28] s/ns/nis/ [05:28] soo.... [05:29] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:30] I love commands that you can type with one hand, like you type wget with the left hand and mouse-copy the link with the right hand =] [05:30] hehe [05:31] i still prefer carrier pigeons [05:31] smoke signals and morse! [05:32] never understimate the bandwidth of a wagon full of tapes -_- [05:32] haha [05:32] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [05:33] as far as i can tell dropbox might as well just be a FrontPage server [05:34] Kaapa: there is a dropbox add-on which creates an index.html for your public folder, with links to every individual file, so that you do not have to do that for individual files [05:34] Zordrak, you are being prejudiced [05:34] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [05:34] Can't remember where I saw that though [05:34] is there a linux equivalent for drop box but on the local LAN? [05:34] Action: slava_dp not sure if he used a valid word :/ [05:35] Delahunt, rsync [05:35] figured 8-P [05:35] unison! [05:35] (because it's in ocaml :-) ) [05:35] Dropbox has a feature "LAN sync" where you sync directly between computers without using the server IIRC [05:35] Camarade_Tux: ocaml-fan ? [05:35] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:35] ah yeah...you're french :P [05:35] surrounder: some say s/fan/troll/ ;p [05:36] hehe :) [05:36] alienBOB, but the files are still uploaded to the server in the meantime, so you use the bandwidth nevertheless. [05:36] Action: Delahunt 's concern is security and privacy, not bandwidth 8-) [05:36] but it's a good language: fast to code in, fast code, you can't segfault (so no buffer overruns for instance or similar security problems) [05:37] Action: Delahunt is thankful for alienBOB 's README_CRYPT.TXT as is, it's very helpful [05:37] Camarade_Tux: that sounds nice indeed [05:37] does anyone run an rsync server on the local LAN? i'm wondering if it's possible to use rsync without going through ssh (just local LAN) [05:37] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [05:38] Delahunt: rsyncd maybe ? [05:38] Delahunt, of course it is possible, rsyncd is the daemon you want [05:38] slava_dp, through inetd or no? [05:39] I gave a 1TB hard drive to mother for her to put it in the washing machine... [05:40] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-130-128.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:41] 10:33:44 < slava_dp> Zordrak, you are being prejudiced <--- prejudice requires bias of opinion.. i have nothing but scant information about a service that seems not to be useful unless you have an uberfast connection everywhere and are constantly needing access to more files than you can fit on a stick [05:42] Zordrak: it works with any connection bandwidth [05:42] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.250.24.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [05:43] And it is a way to backup my critical files in a redundant fashion - and safe against local catastrophe - by encapsulating them in a truecrypt container first [05:43] Beats hacking a gmail account to make that a storage facility [05:43] alienBOB: perhaps i can understand it as a backup medium [05:44] alienBOB, i've always wondered, do you really have stuff so secret as to need to encapsulate and send in that manner? [05:44] Yes [05:44] it is a backup solution for me. [05:44] alienBOB: but not so much as the Magic Pocket they market [05:44] Action: Delahunt shrugs and nods [05:44] My gpg and ssh keys, my SSL certs, my tax data, my passwords for a zillion sites and tools, etc... [05:44] Help. I always have to manually run dhclient(8) to get connected. [05:44] hmm [05:44] Zordrak: I use it to share data between computers automatically, as well [05:45] Action: alreadygone is installing Dropbox [05:45] If I want to send new pics to my mom, I just drop them into my dropbox. That, she can manage... not email attachments [05:45] alreadygone: use my referral to create the account, it will get both of us an additional 250 MB free storage [05:45] does anyone know the KDE feature that kinda comes default with slackware, where you rollover mouse on the top left twice and you get a running applications menu? where do i go to configure it? [05:46] stuart_: no idea what you are talking about [05:46] umm, how do I do that? [05:46] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:47] alreadygone: find the referral in http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/dropbox/ [05:47] ok [05:48] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [05:48] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.229.237) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:50] Action: Delahunt figured out rsync [05:50] surrounder, slava_dp thanks [05:51] np :) [05:51] rsync is _the_ tool for intelligent synchronozation of data [05:51] haha, np [05:51] What do I do about the `.new' files in `/etc'? [05:51] slackpkg new-config [05:51] why haven't I made a backup of the previous kernel, this new one panics right on boot (2.6.34-rc3) [05:51] alienBOB, do you think it's safe to run nightly cron of rsync with the "only if newer" option on files for having two laptops that sometimes get taken different places at different times (local files receiving random use and update as needed)? [05:51] git/hg/darcs/bzr can be good too, but not for large binary files ;-) [05:52] er s/alienBOB// [05:52] alreadygone: whats that like for linux [05:52] Perhaps, or look at unison, as stated earlier [05:53] phrag, I am not done installing it yet [05:53] from source i imagine? [05:53] think i'll have a go at building from source [05:53] for some reason i would have the problem (with updates to, say, puresimplicity.net) where i'd update on one computer and on the other pull down rsync over ssh from puresimplicity.net to make that laptop agree with the website, only to see it replace almost every file in ~/public_html with the contents of puresimplicity.net:public_html/ even though only one file (for example) changed (puresimplicity.net is FreeBSD) [05:54] but change one file (as a test) on local and update puresimplicity.net with ~/public_html and only that file gets replaced [05:54] slava_dp: I am told to un-comment a mirror. [05:54] it was as if rsync had a hard time figuring out file dates [05:54] alreadygone: I see you have completed your use of the referral [05:54] yup [05:54] :) [05:54] Thanks ;-) [05:54] 7.5 GB now for me, free [05:54] least I could do [05:55] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.229.237) joined ##slackware. [05:55] isn't that just wrong rsync syntax? [05:55] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-92.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:55] -av on both [05:55] the commands (options) were identical [05:55] Mel-nix, and what do you do? [05:55] phrag, want me to pastebin? [05:55] hmm.. i just had sound working, after reboot now i dno't have sound? videos play but there's no sound [05:56] stuart_, forgot to alsactl store perhaps? [05:56] rsync -aPvz --delete ? [05:56] androm (~me@dsl-145-100-81.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [05:56] man rsync [05:56] bleh [05:57] slava_dp: I don't want to use slackpkg(8) to update slackware, I just want to use the `new-config' feature. [05:57] phrag, i was asked not to use -z [05:57] meh, i don't care [05:58] i don't see a difference really between -av and -aPvz (i don't compress, and i don't do partials) [05:58] Mel-nix, then diff and merge them manually if you don't want slackpkg [05:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-212.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:58] hmm, yeh was just comparing what i use in slackmon [05:58] oh [05:58] 8-) [05:58] Action: Delahunt is going to change out of his uniform now [05:58] slava_dp: So it seems silly on the part of slackpkg to tell me to un-comment a mirror, when I don't want to mirror. [05:59] i use rsync -aPvz --delete --exclude-from=/tmp/current-rsync.exclude "$MIRROR"::"$RPATH" "$LPATH" [05:59] Mel-nix, send a bug report if you feel it's silly. [05:59] phrag, I'd say Dropbox is awesome on my Slackware 13+XFCE [06:00] alreadygone: would like a slackbuild.. if i liek it might write one =) [06:00] For dropbox phrag? [06:00] phrag, alienBOB, has a package... on his site [06:00] I used that one [06:00] ooh =) [06:01] http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/dropbox/ has a SlackBuild, packages, and a referral link which gets you 250MB additional storage for free [06:01] slava_dp: All right. Thanks. [06:01] awesome, thanks alreadygone & alienBOB =) [06:01] Help. I always have to manually run dhclient(8) to get connected. [06:01] heh [06:01] I *really* *love* having a git repository of the kernel sources: perfect for playing with new kernels: latest one would panic right at boot, a quick look at git-log, git-checkout one a bit older and now, it boots :-) [06:02] Axius (~hi@92.82.78.84) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Axius (~hi@92.82.78.84) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:04] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:04] Action: Delahunt mirrors alienBOB and rworkman 's websites, makes it easier to figure out what changed [06:04] Action: Delahunt also mirrors slack/slack64 13.0/current and kernel.org [06:04] local cache > internet cache [06:05] Delahunt: I maintain a ChangeLog.txt for the changes I make [06:05] alienBOB, and i appreciate you doing that, it helps me a lot [06:05] as i read it locally 8-) [06:06] Action: sladegen is writing "new" package manager, but i doubt anyone present here will get scsh working on 64-bit just like that... [06:07] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:07] the main reason i cache is because i may deploy (military) and someone may want to try out linux [06:07] so do i need to grab the dropboxd from somewhere too ? [06:07] if they do, alienBOB and rworkman 's websites have important software people want [06:07] (mainly skype and openoffice, and handbrake) [06:08] it has rudimentary (upgrade-hints) and (update-hints) but only takes into account "core" packages and i haven't yet made it work wirh -current ;|| [06:08] oh isee now =) [06:08] plus with all of rworkman 's packages for xfce, it's the new gnome for slackware 8-) [06:08] phrag, what you have a repo too? [06:08] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:09] sorry ? [06:09] nevermind [06:10] if I have two email addresses, will I be able to have two dropboxes? [06:11] maybe (may_be@196.202.27.173) left ##slackware. [06:13] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [06:13] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [06:14] sladegen (nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [06:16] alreadygone: yes [06:16] But not active at the same time, on the same computer [06:17] i see. thats cool :) [06:17] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [06:17] hello [06:17] I just installed "[0]) [06:18] [0]) [06:18] wxpython-2.8.10 from sbopkg and I can't use it from an user account [06:19] alekto (~nico@ti0153a380-0117.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [06:19] what permission have I to set on what files to get it work ?? [06:19] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:20] john_dee (~john_dee@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:20] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.229.237) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:20] how do you mean to use it? [06:21] in root : [06:21] $ python [06:21] >>> import wx [06:21] it works [06:21] in user : [06:21] $ python [06:21] >>> import wx [06:21] I have an error [06:21] >>> import wx [06:22] Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in [06:22] ImportError: No module named wx [06:22] so I think this a permissions problem [06:23] Bloody startssl.. they dont tell you till after youve registered that if you want a wildcard certificate you have to pay. [06:23] Action: Zordrak heads back to cacert, tail between legs [06:23] wx? wxwidgets? don't think it's part of a default slackware install [06:23] wxwidgets is an addon so you don't have to program gui for gtk or qt [06:24] he mentioned SBo [06:24] it also works with windows [06:24] Zordrak: it say that on the front page even [06:24] rly? [06:24] the problem may be the user profile does not have the full path where the wxwidgets were installed in the python path environment [06:24] ah, right, hadn't seen that [06:24] alienBOB: my bad [06:24] Wild cards are mentioned for "Verified Class2", not for "Free" [06:25] alienBOB: still bloody annoying. [06:25] I'd strace python for both regular user and root, then diff/vimdiff [06:25] janemba: fwiw, it works fine here, which likely means it's related to your setup [06:26] pprkut: oh [06:26] just wish cacert would pull their finger out and get the audit done [06:26] :( [06:27] and from what I remember, I haven't done anything special to make it work either [06:27] me too...I just launched sbo and install wxpython... [06:27] how have i not heard of vimdiff? [06:28] any chance it will suppress common without having to type --suppress-common-lines in full? [06:28] alienBOB: bleh sorry mate, forgot to use your referral url [06:28] phrag, getting old? [06:29] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-212.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:29] yeh.. fired the client up and registered through there, sorry =P [06:29] janemba: as user, start python, "import sys". then what's the output of "sys.path" [06:29] doh [06:29] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:29] do the same for both root and user [06:30] output of sys.path : [06:30] ['', '/usr/lib/python26.zip', '/usr/lib/python2.6', '/usr/lib/python2.6/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-old', '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages'] [06:30] I understand the problem now [06:30] was that as user? if so, try as root [06:30] this for user [06:30] try as root and see what the path is [06:30] ['', '/usr/lib/python26.zip', '/usr/lib/python2.6', '/usr/lib/python2.6/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-old', '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/wx-2.8-gtk2-unicode'] [06:31] ok [06:31] alienBOB: i could possibly delete my account and re-register [06:31] where can I modify the python path globally ? [06:32] phrag don't worry [06:32] problem solved, thx [06:32] is it just me that doesnt like unified inboxes? (tb3 iPhone4) [06:33] janemba: how ? [06:35] rob0 (~rob0@tuxaloosa.org) joined ##slackware. [06:36] I'm installing -current (32) on a netbook, 4G SSD. I got a* l n tcl x* y totalling 2.5G. I think I'll also want some of d, and can maybe trim some out of x*. [06:37] rob0: sup.. LTNS [06:38] I'll mostly be using it as a console machine, but I need the ability to run a GUI at times. [06:39] rob0: you will recover some space by removing several Asian TTF font packages [06:39] ah, nice tip, thanks [06:39] You will probably not need all of N/ either [06:39] true [06:39] Thinks like Apache and PHP take space and you may not use those at all [06:40] you could always kill y/ ;) [06:40] is not postgresql part of slackware? [06:40] personally i would consider it an affront to humanity.. but you could [06:40] eldragon: no [06:40] Zordrak: blasphemer! [06:40] eldragon: nope [06:40] :( [06:41] rob0: ^ :) [06:41] the postgresql sql transactions are cleaner than mysql's [06:41] eldragon: and? [06:41] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [06:41] i would agree that hand picking your way through n/ would get you some reasonable results [06:41] that i don't like to use mysql ever more. [06:41] eldragon: then don't use mysql [06:42] then i don't have rdbms on slackware. [06:42] eldragon: so get postgres from slackbuilds [06:42] eldragon: correction: you don't have the rdbms you _like_ on slackware [06:42] eldragon: pgsql is available at SBo. You might have to rebuild some things to link to it. [06:42] thanks Zordrak [06:45] rob0: l/{akonadi,strigi} can definitely go [06:45] heh [06:46] could get rid of emacs, too [06:46] grissiom (~grissiom@111.225.62.218) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Emacs wasn't in my list. [06:47] i dont know for certain.. but i believe qtscriptgenerator is rarely used [06:47] i know its needed for some amarok stuff [06:47] only used in amarok iirc [06:48] amarok is KDE, right? So I don't have that. I'm hoping to avoid kde/ and yet have a useful GUI. [06:48] indede [06:48] *eed [06:48] same for tagglib-extras iirc as well [06:48] even if the GUI you ran *was* kde.. amarok is hardly required [06:48] tip: [06:49] Action: Zordrak is using ncdu to find the largest stuff to rule out first [06:49] protip: [06:49] there are many other players [06:49] i replaced amarok with moc in my netbook. it takes mores than 10 seconds to even start [06:49] shoot the cyberdemon until it dies. [06:49] hmm, qt? [06:49] rob0: i would hesitate before killing qt [06:50] rob0: tell you what you can kill though... hal [06:50] I use playmp3list for music.. just a frontend for mpg123 [06:50] (depending on whether youd really get use from it) [06:50] "What are you doing, Dave?" [06:50] qt is used for example for wpa_supplicant gui [06:50] lol [06:50] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:50] rob0: certainly there are a few boxes i dont use hal on [06:51] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:51] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [06:51] hal is essential for power management though, if you dont want to write acpi scripts [06:51] you can also probably kill apr and neon.. dont think anything but apache uses them [06:51] I keep a 16G SD card in it all the time, so manual mount/umount is fine, but I do hope to get power management working. [06:52] rob0, same here [06:52] for that matter.. im not entirely sure what other than daemons use the gd library [06:52] fuse is another possible candidiate depending on your use [06:53] Action: Delahunt has a 16GB SD card on LUKS for his netbook's /home stuff (not /home, but stuff mapped to /home, so that his user can unmount and remove it if necessary) [06:53] but prolly notn [06:53] Delahunt, yeah, that's how I've been using this one. [06:53] rob0: needless to say I would strip out completely absolutely anything in the kernel thats not required [06:53] Zordrak: iirc, subversion is compiled against apr [06:53] Action: Delahunt ^5 [06:54] pprkut: client as well? [06:54] don't know [06:54] yeah [06:54] libaprutil [06:54] AND neon(!) [06:54] morning all [06:55] gtludwig, 'morning [06:55] (it's evening here) [06:55] SD card? isn't that really slow? [06:55] Delahunt, hehe! 8AM here in Brazil [06:55] it can be [06:55] long writes? [06:55] Action: alienBOB getting his linux-powered phone today! [06:55] only if you are doing large writes [06:55] alienBOB: which!? [06:56] is it 3G?! [06:56] HTC Desire phrag [06:56] Yes [06:56] alienBOB: i have HTC Hero on custom Andriod openmodaco [06:56] ooh they might sell it here in Japan!!!!!!!! [06:56] alienBOB: ooh, i love those... girl in the office just got one [06:56] Action: Delahunt will keep his eyes open for them [06:56] Heh [06:56] alienBOB: definately checkout android.modaco.com [06:56] ooohhh ipod-like! [06:56] I already installed Eclipse and the Android SDK, and am running through the first set of tutorials [06:57] Action: alienBOB going to write Android apps [06:57] alienBOB: i run custom MCR from modaco, its really nice [06:57] i bet it understands ogg and flac! [^-^] [06:57] Let's look that up [06:57] rob0: i definitely think n/ is gonna be the place to strip.. tin/epic/httpd/php/htdig/imapd/yptools/vsftpd etc [06:57] alienBOB: awesome! keep me posted =) [06:57] alienBOB: much faster than the stock roms, new kernels, better memory management, process control [06:57] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.19.122) joined ##slackware. [06:58] right now I'm just browsing in pkgtool, and I am considering losing cd* stuff [06:58] phrag: i wonder how old my E90 has te be before i can make the company buy me a linux phone [06:58] Zordrak: at least 5 years! [06:58] mkisofs might be useful in some cases, but there is no optical drive, obviously [06:58] phrag: 3 down... :) [06:58] =P brb [06:59] phrag can't even deduce from android.modaco.com what it's all about there [06:59] rob0: thinking about it.. you can probably get away without inetd.. and in that case, the list of defaults in inetd.conf is just a list of things to strip [07:01] alienBOB: why can't he? [07:05] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) joined ##slackware. [07:09] Hmmm, mailx is back, no longer "heirloom mailx"/nail? [07:10] I liked nail. [07:11] straterra: I omitted the word "I" [07:11] Oh [07:14] jhw (~jhw@p57982322.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:16] openssl not going to 1.0 yet? Also, openvpn 2.1.1 has been out quite awhile. [07:17] rob0: i think openssl is prolly just that little bit too new to have been got to on the todo list [07:17] rob0: openvpn prolly requires people to be saying to pat... why isnt it updated [07:18] I sent him an email a few days ago about that. [07:18] seems some things can stagnate if no-one ever asks about them [07:18] (openvpn) [07:18] *nod* [07:19] Yes, updates are usually not done just because something is available, but because there is a need or it fixes stupid bugs [07:19] alienBOB: i second rob0 on openvpn needing to be added to the todo list certainly [07:19] openvpn 2.1 gets rid of the silly /30 for every client, I'd call that a stupid bug. [07:20] plus 2.0.9 is pretty ancient in software terms.. 2.1 took forever [07:20] You can get around that on older OpenVPN too [07:20] i would compare it to apache1.3 [07:20] You mean peer mode? Sure. But not with a multi-client server. [07:21] huh? [07:22] straterra: ^^ [07:22] oh. strat is /i [07:22] oh, samba. this is a hard choice [07:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:22] rob0: id leave samba if i were you... youd kick yourself when you needed it [07:22] rob0: Without peer mode [07:23] it's huge, I don't need the server, but to be mobile, you never know when you might want to connect to someone's CIFS [07:23] rob0: indeed.. can clint libs be split out? [07:23] *client [07:23] goj (~goj@p4FE6F4DE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:24] not sure, I have ubuntu on here now, I might look and see what they did [07:24] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:24] s/here/the netbook/ [07:25] edw [07:25] s/edw/ew/ [07:25] rob0, how much local hard drive space? [07:25] 4G [07:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:27] seamonkey-solibs and seamonkey if I'm going to use FF? [07:28] solibs yes.. dont think you need sm [07:28] yes=keep? [07:28] not sure about the losibs.. but i have a funny feeling theyre needed [07:28] ok [07:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:29] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:29] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:30] yes on the solibs... ldd on firefox-bin reports /usr/lib/seamonkey/{several}.so [07:31] goj (~goj@p4FE6F0C6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] john_dee (~john_dee@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:33] john_dee (~john_dee@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:33] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ttolvkzzoeojpbnq) joined ##slackware. [07:34] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.250.24.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [07:36] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wanvkyylspohxmro) joined ##slackware. [07:37] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] xf86-video-*, I have Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04) [07:38] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-99.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:38] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:38] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:39] load up X, find whats being used, kill xf86-*-* if unused [07:40] yeah, I haven't booted this yet [07:40] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:40] especially xf86-input-* [07:40] right now just installing into a directory on my 64-bit desktop [07:41] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:41] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] http://erxz.com/pb/24663 - How can i make Perl execute this $load command (It is for perl sockets)? [07:42] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] i do like dropbox =) [07:46] * phrag - PONG - 328765876584ms [07:49] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:50] Zordrak: sorry? i was just playing with irssi alias's, did i do something? [07:50] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:51] lol.. no i was taking the piss [07:51] relating to the elapsed time between the end of the dropbox conversation and your last statement [07:51] oh yeh i thought so... just worried i spammed the channel with CTCP's or something =P [07:51] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [07:52] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] ##slackware: mode change '-qn aSDFasff!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [07:53] ##slackware: mode change '-e *!*@gateway/web/freenode/x-bjeivvpnaywrvkpc' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [07:53] ##slackware: mode change '+n ' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:53] ##slackware: mode change '-q aSDFasff!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [07:53] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:53] has now been an hour since i started an rm -r on that damn Ultra10 [07:53] ##slackware: mode change '-q newbie2010!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [07:53] =) [07:53] c. 20G or data [07:54] *of [07:54] ##slackware: mode change '-q *!*@gateway/web/freenode/x-bjeivvpnaywrvkpc' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [07:54] ##slackware: mode change '-q Tristany!*@*' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [07:54] ! [07:54] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [07:54] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Action: Zordrak waits for phrag's accidental +b *!*@* ... [07:54] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Zordrak: that's coming =P [07:55] Action: Zordrak holds on to his chair [07:55] "Your search - slackware a ap d e f k n l tcl t x xap - did not match any documents. " ='( [07:55] sorry, been testing some alias's.. done now =) [07:55] where can I find a quick explanation of the categories (for someone else)? [07:55] Camarade_Tux: in slackware.com [07:55] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:56] http://slackware.com/install/softwaresets.php [07:56] gnome is irrelevant nowadays [07:56] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ttolvkzzoeojpbnq) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:57] sahk0: ah, thanks =) [07:57] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:57] doesnt have set info in it.. but the resulting google did turn up a useful document: connie/~mozes/docs/slackware_pkg_presentation.pdf [07:58] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [07:58] do you have a /etc/hosts entry for connie? =P [07:58] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-vjitkjflosjizjcq) joined ##slackware. [07:58] lol.. i ought to :) [07:59] hahaha :P [07:59] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] i alias's an IP dev box i've been working, then overwrote the /etc/hosts with a large host list... thank goodness for vim saving hosts~ or i would of completely lost the IP =P [08:00] heh "you do not have permission to access /~fred on this server." [08:01] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:03] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:04] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [08:04] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:05] screen in split mode =) [08:05] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-vjitkjflosjizjcq) left irc: Disconnected by services [08:05] hm should try tmux today [08:05] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [08:06] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-mjdmmjuttwfmraed) joined ##slackware. [08:07] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:07] for a 4GB ram how much swap do i need for slackware im installing it to a laptop [08:07] 2gb? [08:08] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:08] depends [08:08] iAVOR: depends how much s-wap you expect to use [08:08] iAVOR: you can probably get away with none [08:08] i believe there are people who say, and some evidence to support, that beyond 2gb there is no preformance benefit, just more swap space to use. [08:08] historically it should be twice your RAM [08:08] iAVOR: i usually double the ram for safety [08:09] if you want to hibernate, it should be at least the size of your RAM [08:09] so if i have 4gb of ram i need to allocate 8gb of swap ? [08:09] twice the size is if you need to memory dump your entire RAM [08:09] iAVOR: *need* is not the right word [08:09] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:09] iAVOR: no, that's overkill.. you do not *need* that much [08:09] id use a bit more than the ram size. eg. 4.2gb or so [08:10] if you plan on hibernating [08:10] iAVOR: if you think you will at some point have 12gb of application memory, yes [08:10] prolly will hibernate [08:10] phrag: tbh id do a second swap part for that and then hardcode it into the kernel [08:10] so yeh, bit bigger than your RAM [08:10] but thats me [08:10] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-21-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Zordrak: hmm, well i've never done that.. not a fan of swap except for hibernation [08:11] thanks [08:11] phrag, why aren't you a fan of swap? [08:11] phrag: meh, i dont hibernate linux anyways [08:12] if you hibernate a pc, you're doing it wrong imo [08:12] Action: Delahunt tried hibernation a few times when configured ala README_CRYPT.TXT (with hibernation support) but for some reason it just did not work so he gave up [08:13] spook: a non-windows pc [08:13] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:13] Zordrak: i mean, unless its a laptop, i dont see a point to hibernation [08:13] Looks like I can punt l/glibc-* too! [08:13] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:13] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) joined ##slackware. [08:13] rob0: O_O [08:13] spook: yes indeed [08:13] Delahunt: well apart from laptops.. my desktop has fast enough RAM and enough of it [08:13] rob0: true, besides l/glibc-2* though :p [08:14] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-22-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:14] quite honestly i dont get why Pat still splits solibs and stuff [08:15] sahk0, but I have glibc-solibs, and I am not going to compile stuff on a netbook. [08:15] phrag, just wondering. me, i just don't like the concept in general (on machines that have enough RAM), much less having that much of it (i.e. you have 2GB RAM, having 3GB or higher swap to me feels wasteful) [08:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-99.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:15] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:15] rob0: oh, right. thats another alternative [08:15] error_developer_ (~barby@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:15] sahk0, solibs? i thought i heard someone once say this is so that you can install the system but leave out the ability to compile software [08:15] Delahunt: its just about how much application memory you need. [08:15] john_dee (john_dee@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware. [08:16] i cant imagine anyone not compiling software at all [08:16] even on a netbook [08:16] sahk0: ubuntu users [08:16] you keep saying application memory. i'm wondering, does this mean you are infering that you can specify what is application and what is system? [08:16] sahk0, people who want an ultra-secure setup? [08:16] on a netbook? I have much better machines which can compile what I might need there. [08:16] Delahunt: lol? [08:16] yeah my netbook takes overnight to compile a kernel (distcc i know would help) [08:17] sahk0, if you can't compile, you can't compile a root kit, etc [08:17] androm (~me@dsl-145-100-81.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:17] any idea why when i ADDSWAP it detects my ext4 partition instead of allocated 4.2gb swap ? [08:17] i think that is their logic [08:17] Delahunt: if the system/kernel is using more than the system ram, something is probably wrong. i'm using application memory to refer to the memory reserved/allocated to applications that arent the core of the system :) [08:17] lol [08:17] iAVOR, did you mkswap the swap partition? [08:17] spook, oh ok [08:17] i used gparted to make the partitions its what i did with my desktop pc [08:17] and worked like a charm [08:18] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:18] worked like a charm? you mean like with milk in a bowl (like Lucky Charms (tm))? 8-) [08:19] (if that's the case, i wonder what UNlucky charms work like) [08:19] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] unlucky charms: now with more dingleberries [08:20] my bad i didnt saw the numbers correctly [08:20] i tought it was the ext4 partitions [08:20] partition* [08:21] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Excess Flood [08:21] it's all good 8-) [08:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-15.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:23] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [08:23] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [08:23] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.112.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:25] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Delahunt: same, i never see it used when i've configured it in the past, and my box at home does not take any performance hit that i can tell [08:25] rob0: out of curiosity, are you gonna use kde, xfce, or something else in that machine? [08:26] KDE not installed. Probably will try xfce to start. [08:26] actually, I'll be in console mostly [08:27] (which is why I couldn't tolerate ubuntu) [08:27] rob0: if space is the issue, id probably consider dropping xfce for fluxbox [08:27] but thats me [08:27] lxde is a great alternative, rob0 [08:27] twm :) [08:27] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:27] thrice`: get your feet off my cereal! [08:27] dwm! [08:27] wtf? [08:27] ;) [08:27] heh [08:27] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:27] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-mjdmmjuttwfmraed) left irc: Disconnected by services [08:28] lxde lacks a lot of things though. most importantly for me, a power manager [08:28] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] i may go back to flux for my thinkpad... thing is i lost all my keybindings/menu configs for flux from years ago [08:28] i dont see it being any useful without one [08:28] who needs a power manager? :> [08:28] people who use DE's [08:28] and have laptops [08:28] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-vwhwgfbpjcccmroi) joined ##slackware. [08:28] I mean, for what purpose sahk0 ? [08:29] suspend/resume stuff? [08:29] I need power management, but I want it to work even when I'm in console-only. [08:29] thrice`: yes [08:29] pm-suspend [08:29] acpid can easily handle suspend/resume events [08:29] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [08:29] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [08:29] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:30] thats dirty though, and i dont see the purpose of using a DE if youre willing to do stuff like that yourself [08:30] mbecker (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Good morning.. [08:30] acpid is quite powerful. also isnt pm-suspend use discouraged? [08:30] sahk0: well, you can bind it to the closing of the lid or something [08:30] or am i confusing it with something else? [08:30] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:30] spook, no, pm-utils are probably the best (kde also uses them, I think) [08:30] Yes, maybe I could get by with a real simple WM. [08:30] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Excess Flood [08:31] thrice`: yeah i was confusing it. [08:31] spook: hows the beowulf holy grail coming? [08:31] Zordrak: its not beowulf. [08:31] has anyone here ever used ddclient for use with their web server? [08:31] I use acpid scripts, and then for my screen blanking, a simple xset command in my ~/.xinitrc [08:31] Action: mbecker is having trouble with a dual-head NVidia GeForce 6200. X under Slack 13 can't seem to get both screens working.. [08:31] its SSI process migration [08:31] .. even with the NVidia driver. [08:31] spook: thought it was the core MPI for beowulf.. [08:31] no. [08:32] Action: Zordrak shakes head and watches shopping trollies, beer cans and bricks fall out of his ears [08:32] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] http://slackadelic.com/~thrice/configs/xinitrc.openbox is what I use, if interested :> [08:33] looks handy [08:33] spook: linky for reminder? [08:33] Zordrak: linuxpmi.org irc.freenode.net/linuxpmi [08:34] heh.. 503 Over Capacity [08:34] that should be irc://irc.freenode.net/linuxpmi [08:35] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:36] Could I ask for some help getting this GeForce 6200 properly configured for X ? [08:36] (or maybe it's the other way around...) [08:37] mbecker: run the installer, kjill the input l/ines in the xorg [08:37] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] toastytoast (~toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:37] I did run the NVidia installer... and do ?what? to the lines in the xorg.conf file? [08:37] whats the lilo option to disable disk check? [08:38] open xorg.conf remove the two lines about mouse and keybaord input and then remove the mouse section and keyboard section [08:38] Hmm.. [08:38] Editing now. [08:38] mbecker: i dontmhave an unfudgered xorg.conf for clarity [08:38] pastebin if you like and ill clarify [08:38] john_dee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Which pastebin is good for you/ [08:39] ? [08:39] i like pastebin.ca [08:39] use whatever you like [08:40] androm (~me@dsl-145-100-81.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:40] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:41] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.44) joined ##slackware. [08:42] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] that you would be able to enter in the lilo promt on boot up my friend dinked up his hdd now its half dead and diskcheck would never finish he is still using the hdd until his new one gets here [08:42] poymep (~lx779900@shpd-92-101-177-202.vologda.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Zordrak: pastebin.ca isn't loading here. Do you have another pastebin site? [08:43] .com [08:43] otherwise theres about a bazillion [08:43] wobbles (huntsman@C-59-101-130-128.mel.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:43] Nifty. Should have caught that . One moment. [08:43] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:44] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:45] :( ? [08:45] It's at 2.3G after trimming, then adding d/{perl,python,ruby} [08:46] Zordrak: http://pastebin.com/Uz5n5wdg [08:46] rob0: nice [08:46] rob0: but kill that ruby crap :) [08:47] well fsck not diskcheck i guess [08:47] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [08:47] It's by far the smallest of the three [08:47] two input device lines at the top "Keyboard0" and "Mouse0" [08:47] kill them [08:47] perl and python are huge :( [08:48] then delete the two whole sections labelled "InputDevice" [08:48] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] rob0: i hate having to have python.. but its too prevalent now not to. I could live my life with just perl and bash [08:48] error_developer_ (~barby@nat65.mia.three.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Done. Back shortly. [08:48] mbecker (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [08:48] ugh he's looking on his own now i have other things to do :( its fatalnix so if he shows up meh [08:49] toodles [08:49] toastytoast (~toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:49] ? [08:50] uhm [08:50] fatalnix_ (~IceChat7@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:50] theF? OpenMPI (hint.. the name starts with "Open") has demo videos on the site... which are Quicktime MOVs.. [08:50] Yeah my disk is messed up [08:51] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] And I dont have access nor the hardware to attach the disk to my desktop or any linux system to change fstab [08:51] fatalnix_: slackware install cd / slax / ubcd ? [08:52] Zordrak: Well, no major grief with doing those edits. X comes up.. but only on one display. Any ideas on how to get the second display activated? [08:52] MarkB2: nvidia-settings [08:52] No I'm not at home [08:52] "Zordrak : rob0: i hate having to have python.. but its too prevalent now not to. I could live my life with just perl and bash" <- same here ='( [08:52] fatalnix_: that'll teach you to leave the house without them :) [08:52] im unsure what to install first .. nvidia-kernel or nvidia-driver from slackbuilds [08:53] Like I said the only thing I would be able to do that I can think of is find a way to disable it with an argument [08:53] Zordrak: I'll look... uh, what am I looking for? [08:53] Thought there was one too [08:53] iAVOR: i would personally say neither and use the proprietary driver.. others way disagree [08:53] MarkB2: get a shell, type nvidia-settings [08:53] iAVOR: *may [08:54] Zordrak: One of these days I'll learn. :-) Okay, the panel is up. [08:54] It thinks I have one screen. [08:54] Oops.. nope, it finds TWO screens on the left. [08:54] MarkB2: then youre done.. nowt more i can tell you [08:56] Hmm.. It doesn't know the CRT-1 refresh rate. But I did get the EDID (not sure what that is). [08:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-15.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:56] AH [08:57] the thing is startx wont run without driver installed [08:57] i have the driver on a flash drive [08:57] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:57] but i cant seem to mount the flash [08:57] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:57] df -h show no drives other than my linux partition etc... [08:57] MarkB2: EDID is the monitor saying "this is what i am and what i can do" [08:57] iAVOR: fdisk -l [08:57] navigating with LYNX [08:57] ill check that [08:58] Zordrak: Gotcha. Yah, I found the X configure stuff.. am threading through it now. [08:58] iAVOR: try #blkid if fdisk -l yields nothing [08:58] I'd like to get rid of my cable TV service and just use a computer to play shows from places like Hulu (or view photos, clips, mp3s, any other kind of multimedia) to my TV. What's the best approach for this? Since I doubt there's linux support for any TV remote hardware such as the remotes for window media center/server, so I can use a wireless kb and mouse to control it from the couch [08:58] MarkB2: dont forget to save when youre done.. will generate a new xorg.conf.. you may need to strip the input info again [08:58] thanks fdisk -l showed the flash [08:58] i mounted it already :) [08:58] \o/ [08:59] Anyone know the best way to go about this? It sounds like a pretty common enough thing [08:59] gartt: one sec.. i posted on linuxquestions ain the last 2 days on this [08:59] Zordrak: Sure, of course [08:59] gartt: you'd be surprised at what IR remotes are available for linux [08:59] hm .. [09:00] alisonken1noc: Great to hear, but at least a wireless thumb ball mouse and kb would work at the very least and be somewhat conveneient [09:00] gartt: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/linux-remote-control-800733-new/ [09:00] Well, now to try this.. [09:00] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [09:01] gartt, I use logitech usb wireless thumbdrive and keyboard at my house - works great [09:01] hey ..what's the score with kernel-2.6.33 and udev-151 in -current ? [09:01] lazy to say the least - the computer is next to my lazyboy recliner, I just don't like the cables hanging around :) [09:01] Zordrak: Thanks a lot, reading [09:01] john_dee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:02] alisonken1noc: Wireless thumbdrive? Used how? [09:02] i didn't get the kernel to boot ..and well in fact i'm quite happy with my 2.6.29.6 [09:02] john_dee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:02] but the udev seems to have some stuff missing in /dev [09:02] like /dev/snd/* and /dev/input/* [09:02] that would be quite silly if it didn't have input or sound devices [09:03] error_developer_: iirc udev-151 cant work with such old kernels. or was it the other way around? [09:03] yeah ..i see [09:03] sorry - wireless logitech trackman, not thumbdrive [09:03] but it works (kind of) [09:03] gartt, ^^ [09:03] i'll revert to old udev then [09:04] were you using the huge or generic kernel? [09:04] alisonken1noc: Ah [09:05] ..hm [09:05] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:06] time to head home [09:06] alisonken1noc: ttfn [09:06] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:07] let me reboot ..hm [09:07] No you may not reboot. [09:07] rob0: dude.. GTFO of my head! [09:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:10] is Sync To VBlank the vertical sync ? [09:10] its a nvidia gpu [09:10] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:11] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:11] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:12] MarkB2 (~mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] i need to filter process ids that match a given PID name, if I want to display all java-related processes will "top | grep java" work? [09:12] Zordrak? [09:13] gtludwig: pgrep java [09:13] MarkB2: .. [09:13] Zordrak, ty [09:13] Thank you. [09:13] gtludwig: np [09:13] MarkB2: np [09:13] Two screens, mouse easily slides between the two. [09:13] Nice & responsive. [09:13] indeed [09:13] Where do I send the beer? [09:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-22.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:13] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Been at this for WEEKS... [09:14] Did NOT see "nvidia-settings" at ALL. [09:14] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:14] MarkB2: Real beer: will msg an address if you're serious. Virtual beer: http://blog.tpa.me.uk [09:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@ppp089210183194.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@ppp089210183194.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [09:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Real beer might be hard.. am in the US. Let me check the virtual stuff. [09:14] heh [09:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] I should set up a donations account :) [09:15] I just started firefox on THIS screen.. and slid it over to the OTHER screen.. [09:16] but you have prompted me to blog those instructions.. not thought to do so yot [09:16] Wonderful. [09:16] *yet [09:17] Keyword the instructions, OK? I've been using Slack for a Long Time and This is the first real difficulty I've had with it. [09:17] wouldnt worry.. my blog is high on the list of google results for nearly any topic it covers [09:17] Action: MarkB2 is bookmarking that blog site. [09:18] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:19] I had to add the ServerFlags option for "AllowEmptyInput" "Off" [09:19] Was the only way the mouse would work. [09:19] O_o [09:19] oh i gotcha.. the removal of those input lines should make that irrelevant [09:20] Read the xorg.conf(5) manpage on AllowEmptyInput and cry. [09:20] error_developer_ (~barby@nat65.mia.three.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:20] I read that section of docs.. and I am still having trouble figuring out what the author means. [09:20] id recommend trying it without that line now youve removed the input lines.. should still work.. up to you [09:20] I'll give it a shot. [09:20] Oh, this is so pleasant... [09:21] Two 17-inch displays... [09:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:21] (that might sound like the ravings of a nut.. but if you'd been arguing with X for a couple weeks....) [09:21] Two 25's are better than 17's [09:22] ok the driver works well [09:22] but my wifi isnt supported [09:22] rob0: True.. but this entire collection was recycled from my local dump. [09:22] Oh, CRT's? [09:23] CRT's, computer, keyboard, two UPS, ether switch, hubs.. the whole bit. [09:23] The mouse was in my junque box. [09:23] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) joined ##slackware. [09:23] nice, but I like my LCD's [09:24] Oh, these ARE LCD's sorry. HP vs-17 and a Vison 17-incher. [09:24] :) [09:24] Believe it or not, it's CRTs not CRT's, and CDs, not CD's, DVDs, not DVD's. I just realized it a month ago and it seems pretty common to throw in a comma to pluralize abbreviations [09:24] iAVOR: which wireless device/chip is it? [09:24] If I get re-employed for a few months, I'll think about wide-screens.. [09:24] lspci shows [09:24] That's not a "comma". That's an apostrophe. [09:25] Sorry, apostrophe. Just woke up :) [09:25] Broadcome Corporation Device 4357 (rev 01) [09:25] Broadcom* [09:25] gartt, not. It's an apostrophe to denote the missing letters. [09:25] :-) [09:25] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.31) joined ##slackware. [09:25] rob0: But the missing letters are already abbreviated [09:26] You do it your way, I'll do it my way. [09:26] rob0: It's the correct English way [09:26] It's like spelling a word wrong. You can do it, but it's still wrong [09:27] This is amazing. I can start two Large xterms on one screen.. and they auto-fit. [09:28] gartt: it's actually acceptable to pluralise acronyms with apostrophes. I don't personally, but it is not officially wrong. [09:28] Start two CMD windows under WinXP.. and the second is one pixel diagonal downward and to the right on the overlap. [09:28] iAVOR, /sbin/modinfo b43 ... that's your driver. [09:28] Zordrak: AFAIK, it's incorrect- just as incorrect as using their when you mean they're [09:29] gartt: no, it's an acceptable alternative for acronyms. [09:29] Action: MarkB2 starts looking for his Chicago Style of Writing manual. [09:29] Zordrak: I'd been doing it the wrong way for years, and looked it up [09:29] Zordrak, "pgrep java" already helps already, but I need one step further... I need know the cpu usage of each process [09:30] rob0: i did what u posted but is that all ? [09:30] You said your wifi was not supported. You are wrong. [09:31] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [09:31] gtludwig: then you need to grep the output of ps and do some cut fudging [09:31] iAVOR: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [09:32] "cut fudging"? [09:32] ill see what i can do [09:32] fatalnix_ (~IceChat7@208.233.36.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:33] fatalnix_ (~IceChat7@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [09:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_and_initialism There we go [09:36] Yeah.. 'cause wikipedia is /always/ canonical.. [09:40] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: pew-pew[friggin lasers, mounted on Shark] [09:40] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:41] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[09:50] Zordrak: 2 issues with that link. 1. it mentions say yes to multilib, but the link you provide is pkg1, which is 64bit only [09:50] 2. there's no mention of the SlackBuilds :P [09:50] pprkut: the link is just an exapmle of what *I* need which is the 32bit [09:51] Minor nit on spelling. "Xback" --> "X back" [09:51] kinell. [09:51] pprkut: are there builds for the proprietary? [09:51] :o [09:51] pprkut: yeah ok [09:51] how rude ;) [09:51] Action: Zordrak slaps self. [09:52] Just never bothered.. [09:52] Ive never needed to uninstall a prorietary nvidia driver i guess [09:52] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:53] + SBo builds are out of date... but i will add a mention [09:53] Nick change: fatalnix_ -> Some [09:53] Some of them can be [09:53] Nick change: Some -> fatalnix_ [09:53] Zordrak: in READY, been busy :P [09:53] fatalnix_: i meant specifically the nvidia ones right nom [09:54] ah [09:54] Now, if I were running everything under Slack like I do under XP, the processor fan would be screaming like there is no tomorrow. Yet, at the moment, it's humming along smoothly, no frantic cooling. Uh, did I get it wrong and the CPU about to puddle? [09:54] pprkut: :) not a jab.. just another reason i guess i havent bothered [09:54] visco (~euK]@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:54] I kept them out-of-date intentionally, fwiw [09:54] *nod* [09:54] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-209.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] and the other stuff that sits in pending for ages? ;) [09:55] Action: pprkut looks around and whistles [09:56] Action: Zordrak refreains from issuing a "you go girl" [09:56] fatalnix_ (~IceChat7@208.233.36.250) left irc: Quit: Hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now [09:56] pprkut: does the build throw in an xorg.confL?? [09:56] s/L??/?/ [09:57] no [09:57] kk [09:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:57] poymep (lx779900@shpd-92-101-177-202.vologda.ru) left ##slackware. [09:58] pprkut: Do you prefer reference as HW or pprkut ? [09:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:00] Zordrak: both are fine, with a slight preference of HW [10:00] aveng3r (~avenger@189.121.219.108) joined ##slackware. [10:00] kk [10:01] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:01] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:09] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Hmm.. what's good for reading out CPU and GPU temperatures under Slack 13... [10:11] sensors [10:11] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [10:11] pprkut: how does it look now? [10:12] looking [10:12] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-26-50.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:13] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:14] Zordrak: yep, looks fine. Thanks :) [10:15] i aim to please :) [10:15] There's one thing I might come back to you about, but that requires a feature for SBo's website first [10:15] Okay.. sensors-detect worked. Where is the service lm_sensors started? [10:15] oyah? [10:15] MarkB2: its not a service [10:15] Zordrak: that's about all the information I'm gonna spill :P [10:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:16] Ok, I stand corrected. That's what sensors-detect had right after writing a config file. [10:16] MarkB2: if you need to modprobe the sensor modules for your board on boot then add /sbin/modprobe calls to rc.modules or create an rc.lm_sensors and call it from rc.local [10:16] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-203653.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: a [10:16] pprkut: aww c'mooon [10:16] Ah. [10:18] pprkut: tiny update, changed my reason paragraph to an
    [10:18] Hmm.. no sensors mentioned in rc.modules, no file with "sens" in /lib/modules . [10:18] Zordrak: indeed, looks better now :) [10:18] MarkB2: re-read my last [10:19] Action: Zordrak wipes brow and pats self on the back for another good post [10:19] Hm. [10:20] sensors-detect has no real purpose in slack other than to tell you what modules it thinks you need to lead on boot [10:20] *load [10:20] I can agree with that. I'm looking in rc.modules for the appropriate spot to un-comment. [10:21] if you tell it to create an init script it will generate one for you and thats just the content you need to put in an rc.lm_sensors file [10:21] MarkB2: they may well not already be in rc.modules [10:21] grep the names [10:21] ..It said it created a conf file, not an init script. I'll go look at it. [10:21] Zordrak, it's time to write an article on sensors in slackware ;) [10:21] slava_dp: lol [10:21] MarkB2: for the purposes of lmsensors theyre the same thing.. just a list of modules to load [10:23] MarkB2: WRT to ease of finding the post.. it is already number 12 on google for a search on: slackware nvidia [10:23] Zordrak: Now, THATS amusing. Google has you under their eyeball... [10:24] SlackNews (moo@apple.chaosorigin.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:24] Action: MarkB2 imagines a bloodshot 6-foot eyeball hovering over Zordrak... [10:24] well that and i have a plugin that submits an xml sitemap to google whenever the content changes [10:24] [10:24] Still.. [10:24] Chrysalis (~UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:25] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] Zordrak, rapid google update is cool. [10:28] yeaowp [10:28] does to the other search engines too but i dont really carce about them [10:29] Hmm... well, sensors-detect wrote /etc/sysconfig/lm_sensors .. but a grep through /etc/rc.d does not produce a reference to HWMON_MODULES or MODULE_0. [10:29] altho the number 12 ain't your last post.... it's the previous one on nouveau [10:29] MarkB2: no.. this is what im trying to tell you [10:29] Easy... [10:29] than file is nothing but a reference for you to create an init script from [10:30] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@132.170.112.161) joined ##slackware. [10:30] slava_dp: meh.. for me it was the other way around [10:30] fair, since I get google.com.ua [10:30] heh [10:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:32] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-50.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-224.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:35] Action: MarkB2 loves it when Comcast's DNS servers vanish. [10:38] what is a .la? [10:39] OK. Looks like I have to d/l the sensor stuff and do a kernel compile. [10:39] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:39] poymep (~user@shpd-92-101-177-202.vologda.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:40] MarkB2: why? [10:41] Uh.. docs suggest unpacking sensor code into the Linux source tree ? [10:41] and running a compile. [10:41] wayttd? [10:41] swhat docs, what sensor code? [10:41] http://www.lm-sensors.org . [10:42] O_o [10:42] methinks MarkB2 is up to no good :) [10:42] [10:42] modprobe the modules, run sensors... what else do you need? [10:42] MarkB2, pastebin sensors-detect output [10:42] Those modules don't exist in distribution slack 13 (or so sez modprobe [10:43] ^ [10:43] sensors-detect 2>&1 | tee file; wgetpaste file [10:43] lm_sensors contains "dme1737". [10:44] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:44] Alright.. one moment. [10:44] dme1737 is in kernel [10:44] as of 2.6.23 i believe [10:44] my 2.6.32 has it [10:45] MarkB2, what does "modprobe dme1737" report? [10:45] It reports "user stupid" [10:45] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:46] .. [10:47] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16C51.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] [euK] (~euK]@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Nick change: [euK] -> visco [10:49] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [10:49] OK. the sensor probe unloaded the i2c-i801 driver and I didn't see it. [10:50] modprobe i2c-i801 ; modprobe dme1737 produced a running sensors. [10:50] unbelievable O_x [10:50] :-) [10:50] Thanks. [10:50] glad you got it working [10:51] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] I'm used to running Slack on a P2, maybe a P3. [10:51] now put the modprobe lines in /etc/rc.d/rc.local [10:51] This HT P4 scrolls the display too fast. [10:51] MarkB2: Next time you have a big problem, step back and breath then think.. this cant be that hard, i must be overcomplicating it. ill assume that i am and look to see if theres a simple explanation [10:51] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-178-3.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Which of the Intel processors incorporated temperature measurements on the silicon? [10:52] MarkB2, um everything since 686? not sure. [10:52] i'd post you a link via hugeurl.com but i'd get kicked for flooding [10:53] This is the first toy I've had where I've had to worry about fan control and processor temperature. [10:54] Somewhere, I thought the hardware guys would have made fan speed hardware dependent on processor temp and not involve software. [10:55] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:57] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:02] grissiom (~grissiom@111.225.62.218) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-178-3.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:03] ugh.. centos dont build open mpi with gridengine support [11:04] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:07] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:08] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-224.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:09] hmmm, there's no author in usb-and-pxe-installers/etherboot/populate_tftpboot.sh, who wrote it? [11:10] Zordrak, Delahunt, et al.. thank you for your help. Very much appreciated. Good thing to get sensors running.. for next up is to get fancontrol running. [11:10] Cheers to all.. thanks again. [11:10] MarkB2 (mbecker@c-65-96-39-170.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:10] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:11] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.19) joined ##slackware. [11:13] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] damnnit.. i can find lots of information about open mpi and HPC and running application many times on many machines with mpirun.. but theres a missing link.. how to split threads across machines to achieve hpc [11:14] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] the only answer i can find so far is to actually code mpi api calls into an application [11:14] im concerned that thats the *only* solution [11:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-216-33.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-176.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Zordrak: if you don't find your info, ping me later on (in a few hours, leaving now) [11:17] k [11:18] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-216-33.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-176.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:24] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[11:42] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:42] your grammar is weird and you don't give enough infos [11:43] sirslacker: yes, wxPython does not compile against glib2 in -current without patch [11:43] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [11:44] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] pprkut: do you have any link or tip, how does this patch had to work! [11:47] _ZeH_ (ze_@201.67.211.9) joined ##slackware. [11:50] androm (~me@dsl-145-100-81.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:54] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.109.198) joined ##slackware. [11:54] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@132.170.112.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.214.227) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:57] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-25-78.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:57] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [12:00] sirslacker: not currently, no. There's a git repository on github though, which has the necessary modifications to build wxPython on -current [12:01] http://github.com/Ponce/SBo-git [12:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-78.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:02] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-156.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [12:03] pprkut: thank you for the link, i will take look on it, i read for a week the same issue for redhat and fedora! there was a little hack, maybe i could find that again and test! thank you again! [12:05] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-248-56.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:05] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] vhann_ (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:06] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-196-163.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:06] acidchild, well done mate [12:07] :) [12:08] What you doing today? [12:08] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Hi all, got a lil question for ya's [12:08] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-130-57.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] we're probably more interested in why you asked to ask a question. [12:09] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:09] restrictive parents? [12:09] seems I have to start sshd like so /etc/rc.d/./rc.sshd start [12:09] and we'll beat that topic into oblivion, too. [12:09] I thought It was /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start [12:09] pprkut: isnt that slackbuild? they never write scripts for an offical package again! [12:10] hexdump_: the /. is not required, no. [12:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) joined ##slackware. [12:10] hexdump_: it is. [12:10] hexdump_: /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start is correct. [12:10] hexdump_: is it executable? should be.. but.. did you touch perm? [12:10] *perms [12:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-156.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:10] ah wait I see I got it [12:10] thanks false alarm no prob [12:10] lol [12:11] thanks for swiftly coming to my aid tho [12:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:11] Things have been working out rather smoothly since I installed slackware [12:11] hexdump_: good to hear. [12:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-91.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:12] I had a more difficult time it seems when I first tried to get ubuntu working. Well that was my first install tho [12:12] hexdump_: you'll find that slackware will run as well as you can administer it. [12:13] thumbs: yeah I installed ddclient first I thought it would be hell but I found out how to do use the SlackBuilds [12:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:14] I've run into a few problems here and there but nothing major yet. [12:14] _ZeH_ (ze_@201.67.211.9) left irc: Quit: trabalhooo [12:14] hexdump_: good man! That's a good start. [12:14] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] I've only had one issue tho. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I try to use slackpkg install "package" and it seems they can never be found [12:15] sirslacker: huh? [12:15] so I have to go to slackbuilds.org and do it that way [12:15] hexdump_: you want to use sbopkg for slackbuilds on the CLI [12:15] hexdump_: it's a nice utility. Try it. [12:16] I've heard of that and also slapt-get. dunno I'll try out a few different types of package installers [12:17] hexdump_: don't use slapt-get. [12:17] Billtoo (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016189.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:17] yeah I've heard a lot of slackware users don't like it [12:17] hexdump_: we recomment slackpkg and sbopkg [12:17] the best type of package installer is you, not something else [12:17] compiling from source is amazing [12:17] I have had problems installing from repositories using slackpkg tho [12:17] slackbuilds are nice [12:17] i use wget [12:17] too [12:18] wget and curl are nice for grabbing files :D [12:18] Action: thumbs pushes Skywise back into #mysql [12:18] lol [12:18] pprkut: that was the slackbuild packages! i use the same script all the time, over sbopkg but it doesnt work. i find the patch for fedora and arch! maybe i do my own patch there! [12:18] ah wget that's a good idea. wget and curl, I know there are some firefox plugins for that [12:18] theres also rsync [12:18] man rsync its cool because it can do like resumed downloads, etc [12:18] yes rsync and svn for umm. hmm umm projects/sources ? [12:19] rsync is good for anything [12:19] oh guess what, I'm putting my entire /home under mercurial :D [12:19] but I can install packages from repos with slackpkg tho right [12:19] well, for my user, and seperate repos for other users [12:20] I just ordered a 250 GB sata disk for my laptop for 45 bucks last night [12:20] how can i install googleerath on slackware 13 (arh x86_64) ? [12:20] sirslacker: I just gave you a link to the front page. You have to look more carefully. There's a specific branch for wxPython which contains the fix [12:20] okie cool thanks. great help here [12:20] Fatalnix: wha wha what? [12:20] disk space ill never even use. I've had a 100 GB disk in my desktop for years and I dont think ive ever filled iyt [12:20] it* [12:21] oxiredo_ro: you need to have the 32bits compatibility packages + OpenGL installed. [12:21] yeah I have a 750gb dunno what I'm gonna do with it. thinking about just opening up a free ftp server [12:21] 250 GB sata 2.5" hard disk, western digital 0.99 shipping off of new egg, 45 bucks. [12:21] vsftp or something [12:21] it says free shipping but I payed 99cents anyways [12:21] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [12:21] but not bad [12:21] ah new egg. I just got an old IDE 125gig Maxtor for my old pc for 30 bucks [12:22] from amazon [12:22] BP{k}, and where/what/how should i do to install them? [12:22] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:22] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136387 [12:22] Fatalnix: I have max 4gb in my laptop, but I'm pretty sure it goes beyond that right? [12:23] of ram? [12:23] the ram is usually limited to the bios before the chipset [12:23] oxiredo_ro: well instalpkg probably. ;) [12:23] my desktop's northbridge can handle up to 16 GB of ram [12:23] and its a pentium 4 equivilent [12:23] but it can only take 4 GB because of the bios [12:24] yeah I know some desktop boards can handle 64gb max [12:24] hackedhead (~hackedhea@pool-71-164-68-181.albyny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] hackedhead (~hackedhea@pool-71-164-68-181.albyny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Changing host [12:24] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [12:24] however, more may work. thats the most they tested it with :) [12:24] yeah ram [12:24] now, laptops usually tell you how much you can max it out to really [12:24] BP{k}, and what pakages shoud i install? [12:25] Fatalnix: yeah, next pc I get is definitely going to be built. [12:25] my laptop can go up to 4 GB with a 64 bit 2.33 ghz dual core, 256 mb of video memory and such... [12:25] but I have a dual core 32 bit 1.8 ghz with 1 GB of ram.. [12:25] Fatalnix: I'm pretty sure mine is about the same I think. [12:25] oxiredo_ro: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib probably is a good start to read. [12:25] works fine for me, I had 2 gb of ram in this laptop but ha dto give it back [12:25] btw..clock speed is a terrible indicator of speed [12:25] now qemu sucks running [12:25] yup pretty much identical except I have a 2.2ghz dual core 64bit [12:26] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:26] eclectist (~weechat@h105.248.17.98.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] I have a bunch of 4 and 6 GB hard disks on my bedroom floor! [12:26] IDE [12:26] :d [12:26] Channel flood from Fatalnix -- kicking [12:26] :D* [12:26] Fatalnix kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:26] Fatalnix (1001@robots.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) joined ##slackware. [12:26] oops [12:27] sorry.. I'm kinda out of it [12:27] aciar (1000@dhcp-045-221.cns.ohiou.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] ty BP{k} [12:27] yeah I had a pin break off from one of my old hard drives and I attempted a solder job on it. not so good [12:27] this may not be slack specific, but is there anyway to bind a browser to use a specific network interface? [12:27] worked for a little bit, but didn't hold [12:28] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:28] well all, I'll be back a little later [12:28] aciar: definately not slackware specific. However, I'm damn sure theres a way [12:28] hows it going guys [12:28] friday and almost time to go home! =) [12:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:29] you know whats cool, linux supports more than one IP address on the same interface! [12:30] aciar: hmm, could route based on protocol perhaps [12:30] I cant seem to find anything on google for binding to ip's [12:30] or assign one interface a specific address, then point your browsers gateway to it [12:31] (the interfaces address) [12:31] oh, that makes sense [12:31] blehh. the wireless here requires you to use a login page... i want to bring my wireless up but also keep my wired connection intact but i cant get to the auth page for the wireless [12:31] ideas? [12:31] aciar: http://serverfault.com/questions/93740/make-an-arbitrary-linux-application-use-a-specific-ip-address-for-outbound-connec [12:31] Policy routing only seems to work for packets passing through, not for those originating on the iptables machine. [12:32] ah, then setup routeing for that network [12:33] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [12:33] maybe setup a proxy? [12:33] ok cool. time to learn iptables [12:33] should be able to do it with route / ip route [12:34] it's LARTC stuff mostly [12:34] LARTC? [12:34] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control [12:35] blaines (~blaines@c-98-213-119-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:35] heh, the latest news on lartc.org is 2005... saying: The Mailing list is down, ...going to fix this [12:35] ahh [12:35] lol [12:35] yes, but it's still the best overall routing reseource [12:35] right guys, i'm off home =) [12:35] catch you later o/ [12:36] rob0: I tought you were the best resource. [12:36] 2nd best, sorry [12:37] johndee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:38] I recently had the same question/goal as aciar, and I found there's no easy way to do it. Maybe some would consider intercepting the socket() to precede with bind() easy, but that's beyond me. [12:38] yea i mean at this point its quicker to just disabled my wired connection, authenticate, then reenable it [12:38] (Not easy to do it when your machine is the router. OTOH it is easy to do it for machines behind the router.) [12:38] see ya phrag [12:39] thanks for the help [12:39] aciar (1000@dhcp-045-221.cns.ohiou.edu) left ##slackware. [12:41] I wonder if that was school work. [12:43] got to get on the bus soon [12:43] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-91.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:44] lol [12:45] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:45] how can i kill all sound players ? [12:46] dillon minigun? [12:46] i mean : kill al mplayer`s ; xmms and other stuffs that use alsa [12:47] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:47] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [12:54] misczu (misczu@internetlions.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) joined ##slackware. [12:55] hi, whenever i do crontab -e, it says /var/spool/cron/crontab.2596 written, but the crontab doesnt update [12:55] what could be wrong? [12:56] i mean after i edit the crontab with crontab -e, it doesnt keep changes [12:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-77.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:59] misczu: I haven't seen this issue. To clarify, just a little, you run crontab -e, make some changes, :wq it, re-run crontab -e, and no change is made? [12:59] misczu: What about if you do run as root crontab -e -u misczu [12:59] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-28-99.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:00] same happens [13:00] i may add that crond is running [13:01] IWFM, what did you change that might have broken it? [13:01] Yeah, wfm as well. [13:01] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) left ##slackware. 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[13:18] I changed my dns in resolv.conf but after restart the pc in the file there is again the older dns [13:18] why is that? [13:19] With this dns my internet connection is veery slow [13:19] It's a feature of DHCP. You can disable it. [13:19] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.59.130.188) joined ##slackware. [13:19] disble dhcp daemon? [13:20] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:20] DHCP_KEEPRESOLV in rc.inet1.conf [13:21] try using wicd and specify static dns like google 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 [13:21] or what rob0 said [13:23] I changed this function on "no" [13:23] but after restart work again with the old dns [13:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-130-57.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:26] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.58.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:26] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.47.134) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:35] any ideas [13:35] try wicd [13:35] I can stop using dhcp and put static ip and dns with netconfig [13:36] DHCP_KEEPRESOLV works if it's done right. [13:36] yup [13:36] misczu: your editor making backups might be the problem with crontab -e [13:36] vhann__ (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:36] unless you have a static IP from your ISP that may cause issues [13:36] misczu: try a different editor [13:37] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-vwhwgfbpjcccmroi) left irc: Quit: ja vorto [13:39] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-45.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:39] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.4.151) left ##slackware. [13:40] Whoa.... when did rob0 return to ##slackware? [13:40] 10:34 -!- rob0 [~rob0@tuxaloosa.org] has joined ##slackware [13:40] Alan_Hicks: when did you lift the ban? [13:41] Just joking. [13:41] XGizzmo: I didn't. That fucker rworkman must have done it. He's too soft. [13:41] lol [13:41] I was asking for suggestions on how to trim down a -current for a netbook, 4G SSD. [13:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-158.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:41] I ended up with 2.3G. [13:41] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:41] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] rob0: Remove the e/ series. [13:42] e was not included [13:42] rob0: nicely done [13:42] rob0: I need to trim slackware down to fit in the sheeva flask rom. :) [13:42] flash [13:42] you can do the expert installation and choose every package [13:42] you can trim it down significantly [13:42] also k/ series [13:43] sl f [13:43] ls f [13:43] k/ d/ e/ kde/ kdei/ [13:43] f/ [13:43] x/ xap/ [13:44] 10:36 < rob0> I'm installing -current (32) on a netbook, 4G SSD. I got a* l n tcl x* y totalling 2.5G. I think I'll also want some of d, and can maybe trim some out of x*. [13:44] zap kapow! [13:44] it can be a trick, remember for a small slackware do kde three times k/ d/ e/ kde/ kdei/ [13:44] You can likely trim a lot of drivers and things out of x/. Not sure what that will save you in size though. xap/ is very succeptable to trimming as well. [13:45] install just a and l [13:45] there you go [13:45] =P [13:45] jg71 (~edud@94.229.77.218) joined ##slackware. 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[14:48] Billtoo (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176016189.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [14:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-29-20.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:50] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-175.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:52] robertzaccour (~robert@97.81.160.189) joined ##slackware. [14:53] is there a big difference in the target audience between slackware and bsd? [14:53] i think you need to properly compare linux to bsd, not slackware. [14:53] robertzaccour (robert@97.81.160.189) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:54] bye :-) [14:54] that was a lengthy discussioN! [14:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.107.145) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [14:56] was that flame bait? [14:57] If he just joined and immediately said that, probably [14:57] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-140-156.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:58] slackware vs. bsd doesn't seem too flamey [14:58] now.. vim vs. emacs.. [14:58] everyone knows vim is better [14:58] if by vim you mean emacs [14:58] Action: raendeer nods at mancha [14:58] agreed mancha [14:58] see what you started? [14:58] haha [14:58] whoa [14:59] Action: Urchlay just rolled out of bed, now looking for a foxhole to hide in [14:59] started then leaving :P [14:59] lol [14:59] Slackware is for *nix users who prefer the GPL? [14:59] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:59] admboom: Slackware is for Linux users who know how to use their system. Licenses be damned! [14:59] emacs is a great OS waiting for a kernel [14:59] not everything in slackware is gpl, though [14:59] i think slackware is for linux lovers who hate the advantages PAM has to offer [14:59] hahahah [14:59] Action: mancha ducks [14:59] oh my [15:00] mancha: Now THAT's some delicious trolling! [15:00] heh [15:00] you can learn vi in the time it takes emacs to load [15:00] if you're gonna do something, do it right, knowdamean? [15:00] eviljames, yea, there is that. [15:01] wasn't there a recently noobfarm'd convo we had about emacs? [15:01] Action: SigmaVirus24 shrugs [15:01] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-140-156.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) left irc: Client Quit [15:01] mancha, you mean this one? http://www.noobfarm.org/?id=1897 [15:02] that's the one [15:05] VanRoy (~kitsilano@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] but i was less accurate than he was in a sense. a bsd is more properly compared to an entire distrib of linux... [15:07] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-66-210.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-143-156.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] aveng3r (~avenger@189.121.219.108) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:09] jhw (~jhw@p57982322.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:13] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] BSD is kinda neat... the OS, minus its ports/pkgs, is maintained as an entire unit [15:14] and go compare the source for *BSD's ls command to the GNU one in coreutils, sometime... [15:14] Action: phoenix^ waves hello to Urchlay [15:15] the BSD code is a lot more clear & easy to read (or was, last time I looked) [15:15] hey, existentially|gymnast [15:15] I'm actually only here for a couple minutes more, gotta go drive in a bit [15:16] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Urchlay drives a hard bargain. [15:18] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423183.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:18] rob0: sort-of. My car originally cost $300, which is a bargain [15:19] robertzaccour (~robert@97.81.160.189) joined ##slackware. [15:19] when will slackware have a gui? [15:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-143-156.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:19] And it's hard to drive, for a price like that. [15:19] (but then it needed $1500+ worth of work later on) [15:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:19] Slackware should be getting a GUI in 1993 or so. [15:20] hehehehe [15:22] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-131-173.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:22] i thought it was all CLI [15:23] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [15:26] raelakoira (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:27] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-9.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:28] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-131-173.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:28] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-175.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:28] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [15:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-16-240.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] robertzaccour: that's why you should do a *little* bit of research before you join a project's channel and ask what's going to sound like a braindead quesiton., [15:32] er, question. [15:33] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [15:34] so i can install slackware and just point and click my way around to installing everything? [15:35] if thats what you're looking for, you might wanna shop elsewhere [15:36] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Could try a mac? seems right up the piont and click alley [15:37] I think Windows 7 also supports that functionality. [15:37] can you IRC on a mac? dunno, but kinda hoping not. [15:37] yes [15:37] admboom: irc on a mac? are you crazy? [15:37] I heard they can only open up itunes [15:38] robertzaccour: no, you can't do that, and you likely never will be able to do that. If you can't install Slackware without a pointyclickety interface, then you can't use it either. [15:39] so much for drawing in new users. people wanna be able to use it without a course study [15:40] Tough shit. [15:40] i guess lol [15:40] If one is too lazy to want to learn how things work, then Slackware isn't for them. [15:40] just makin conversation, not confrontation lol [15:40] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:41] I'm not being confrontational either - I'm just being blunt. [15:41] Installing Slackware is good for the soul. [15:41] really? [15:41] It's not like you're the first person to suggest that Slackware could get more users by becoming just like the other distributions. [15:41] Or the last. [15:42] well, it is obvious though. more users = more development = better OS :) [15:42] It's not obvious at all. [15:42] Explain how more users = more development [15:42] more dedicated users = better development, perhaps? [15:42] In fact, reconcile that statement with Windows. [15:43] windows is different, it was built incorrectly from the start. also its not a community based OS so its not even in the same comparison. [15:44] and they never stripped it down and started over like they should have in order to make it a decent OS [15:44] see the bsd's for a counterexample, then [15:44] I'm pretty sure they actually did exactly that with XP. [15:44] robertzaccour: you are making the assumption that users have something to do with OS development which is wrong. just look at red hat or canonical. its their *employees* who design the os. community based distributions follow what they do for the most part [15:44] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:45] red hat and canonical define linux [15:45] and novell too btw [15:45] not familiar with bsd. pc-bsd looks pretty good, but i'll probably wait til next month to try it out [15:45] Linus defines Linux. [15:45] i tried opensuse, didn't really like it much [15:45] MrHales: he goes under red hat :p [15:46] wtf, is this some sort of compulsory conversation that has to come up every other week? [15:46] Probably. [15:46] Action: vastina facepalms [15:46] actually i don't really care what Linus thinks or recommends, it is what people want it to be and he's just part of the community now [15:46] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:46] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Action: rob0 definitively defines definitions [15:46] Therein lies the problem. You don't get to decide what someone else's creation is or becomes. [15:46] I haven't been here for *months* so I couldn't take part in any of those other semi-monthly debates, darnit! [15:47] of course [15:47] haha [15:47] users who need graphical should not start with something non-graphical and ask why it isn't graphical. [15:47] Is not Linus project lead on the kernel named Linux? [15:47] try starting with something graphical, and ask why the heck you need graphics for that? [15:47] Slackware is defined by its creator and head honcho, not by the community. [15:48] And Pat rules. [15:48] My new laptop says "invert and shake to reboot" [15:48] The other devs that work on Slackware get to help decide, and user input is considered, but ultimately, it's Pat's call. [15:48] it has a two-knob interface [15:48] Strangely my wife is labeled in a similar manner, rob0 [15:48] i'm just sayin I use linux, but what Linus thinks these days doesn't mean much. he doesn't really have much say in Linux now, however he is great for makin the kernel [15:49] And, to be perfectly accurate, Linux *is* the kernel. [15:49] you all have some interest in slackware whether you use it or you like it, or have questions pertaining to it, hence you're here... who gives a damn about more users = *; who cares? does anyone have any sweet project they're working on *within* slackware? that would be exponentially more interesting than this perpetual limp debate [15:49] neener. [15:50] i'm having fun with USB's ACPI... see? more interesting than queer flame war about the OS [15:50] I'm having issues with the nvidia blob... [15:51] MrHales: propietary drivers always raise more questions than answers, but that is more interesting than the previous conversation [15:51] http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/MyDeskTop-Jun-22-2005.gif [15:52] in Ubuntu Lucid beta I'm having issues with screen flickering every few minuts. put up the bug report, hope its fixed before the release later this month sigh [15:52] robertzaccour: intel gm* chip? [15:52] and it started with 2.6.32.something kernel? [15:52] i know its an intel mobile 4 series lemme get the correct info brb [15:52] I'm sort of a conversation maven.. they all interest me... but for now the latest legacy driver from nvidia + 2.6.33 = really weird X problem on logout [15:53] GMA 4500MHD [15:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:53] so rworkman was right, it's intel gm* [15:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Screen shuts off (because, presumably the video card did) and input devices cease function... sorta just hangs there waiting. [15:54] it shuts off just for a blink, but still annoying [15:54] If I kill X this don't happen and the power button still fires off the shutdown script [15:54] here's the log for the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/555503 [15:54] but mouse and keyboard are d-e-d. [15:55] And one of these days I'll remember to save the log file! [15:55] jescis (~irchon@166.137.8.161) joined ##slackware. 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[15:57] lol [15:57] kowznc (znc@xchat.kowalczyk.be) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:57] Action: vastina nods [15:57] been one of THOSE days [15:57] Action: vastina hasn't been to offtopic in a while... [15:57] robertzaccour: /join #linux or #intel or #whatever. this is a place to discuss Slackware [15:57] that place is EVIL... eviljames is there... [15:58] Necos, you think that's bad, I'm there too ya know. [15:58] :P [15:58] sahk0, apparently, this is an intel card issue that also affects slackware :P [15:58] hey, offtopic is awesome :( [15:58] yeah, damn fire|bird :P [15:58] has there been an update to any packages for slackware? I can't check because it's not able to connect to the Internet as of right now :-< [15:58] Action: Necos stabs phoenix^ [15:58] Action: phoenix^ stabs Necos in return [15:58] jescis: uhm .. how can you tak on irc then? ;) [15:59] he's not on said slackware box? [15:59] sahk0, sorry, i didn't know rules were so strict [15:59] Necos: yeah but he doesnt use Slackware. so its irrelevant. he should join #intel [15:59] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-16-240.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:59] rworkman just said he has the same issue on slackware :P [15:59] jescis: 479,453 updates since 1993. [15:59] with irchon on my iPhone [15:59] no one at #intel [15:59] give or take a half million [15:59] jescis: Last update to 13.0,-current: Mon Apr 5 03:06:19 UTC 2010. [16:01] hey how come this intel regression doesn't affect other distros? [16:01] thanks BP{k} [16:01] confusing logic, where problem on intel results in switching a distribution is an attempted resolution. [16:01] lol [16:01] robertzaccour: try #xorg [16:01] thanks [16:01] robertzaccour: because some distributions aren't shipping 2.6.32+ yet <-- just a guess ;-) [16:01] (with KMS enabled) [16:02] jescis (~irchon@166.137.8.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:02] #xorg cannot send to channel [16:03] i wonder if i can change the kernel [16:03] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:04] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:07] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:09] _ZeH_ (ze_@189-30-69-157.fnses700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:11] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.29.39) joined ##slackware. [16:12] any ideas why kvm-intel worked fine under 32bit slack 13, but on slackware64 -current, the kvm-intel.ko says kvm: no hardware support? [16:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-7-246.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] maybe i should switch to amd [16:13] i wonder if i can do that with this laptop [16:17] regebro (~lregebro@1.16.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] VanRoy (~kitsilano@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:18] ls [16:18] oops [16:19] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:19] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:22] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:24] OK, google failed me, so maybe freenode can come to the rescue. :) [16:24] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:24] Which is the best way to get Python 2.6.5 installed on Slackware 12.0? [16:24] raelakoira (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: bus, later [16:25] regebro, python is on the D set of the slackware install disks [16:25] _ZeH_ (ze_@189-30-69-157.fnses700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: [16:25] KaMii: Python 2.6.5? [16:25] or go to a slackware mirror download the python .tgz file [16:26] check the patches folder on a slackware mirror [16:26] it may be updated to that version im not sure [16:26] if not, then you will need to compile it from souce probably [16:26] or get it from slackbuilds.org [16:26] eclectist (~weechat@h105.248.17.98.static.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.2.5 [16:27] KaMii: Can only find 2.5.2 there. [16:28] How the heck did I get 2.4 installed, because I have that too? [16:28] Heh. [16:28] not sure, but you should remove all versions before upgrading [16:28] i think your best option is to compile it from source [16:29] download, untar [16:29] I'm not gonna upgrade anything. :) [16:29] read the readme or install file [16:29] and follow the instructions [16:29] KaMii: Well, that was what I tried first. [16:29] did yall know there's a hannah montana distro? lol [16:29] its just kubuntu with a theme and boot up song [16:29] didnt compile? [16:30] KaMii: Nope, it claims to not find everything that is needed for some modules (even when I tell it not to use those modules). Very annoying. [16:30] KaMii: Usually the configure handles all that... [16:30] hrm.... dunno, why do you need that version? [16:31] When I want a more recent version of software that Slackware ships, first thing I try is to edit the Slackware slackbuild script for the new version. Usually that works. [16:31] sorry im like running out the door its why i might sound like im vague [16:31] KaMii: Installing plone, and it should run 2.6. 2.5 might work too be isn't really supported. [16:31] i see [16:31] well hope you can get it working, sorry i gott arun [16:32] kerberosbaby (~krb_@karanliklar.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] ok, thanks [16:32] kerberosbaby (krb_@karanliklar.net) left ##slackware. [16:33] Nick change: dormant_kernel -> mach_kernel [16:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-7-246.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:35] eclectist1 (~weechat@h105.248.17.98.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] [16:36] [16:37] [16:37] robertzaccour (~robert@97.81.160.189) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:37] mine was a double space [16:37] win! 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[17:01] goatse.fr [17:01] don't go there [17:02] yes [17:02] slackbuilds.org [17:02] phrags: I've got most/all of the useful ones on my site [17:06] mach_kernel, pushing it here too? :) [17:08] >.> [17:08] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:09] rworkman: great! thanks =) [17:10] hmmmm [17:10] strange, i tried this trick on my laptop, and it worked... as root, export DISPLAY=:0.0 [17:10] but it's not working on my desktop [17:11] trying to use a program with a GUI as root [17:11] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... .. . [17:12] visco (~euK]@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:12] You also need XAUTHORITY=/path/to/the/X/user's/.Xauthority [17:13] ah, that worked [17:13] wonder why i didn't need to do that on my laptop... [17:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.121.58) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:14] Because your environment was different, maybe "su -" vs. "su", lots of possible reasons. [17:14] i use "su -" always [17:14] Funny thing, I know how to do that, but the only thing I ever use it for is to pop up xeyes at /dev/wife [17:15] maybe xmessage if I'm somewhere else and need to tell her something [17:16] lem1 (root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [17:17] hehehe [17:17] that's useful to know, tho... [17:18] i'm updating rockbox on my sansa with the utility [17:18] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:19] sahk0 (~grbzks@ppp089210183194.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:19] sahk0 (~grbzks@ppp089210183194.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [17:19] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:20] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. 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[17:36] Necos, the only way to save a variable to export is put it in a script [17:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:38] i.e., not having to export DISPLAY= ... every time i su - [17:39] you could put that in the root profile [17:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [17:39] in .bash_profile, i'm guessing? [17:41] that's one place - just make sure which profile su - calles [17:42] i mean, in root's .bash_profile... [17:42] since su - produces a login shell [17:43] theres also ~/.profile and /etc/profile [17:43] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:44] don't want it to be used system-wide... [17:44] but i completely forgot about .profile [17:44] i do what i can [17:45] hehehe, always appreciated :) [17:47] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:47] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.225.23.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:19] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:21] actually, no, I can't reach the computer from the outside, not sure what I should do [18:21] (maybe go to bed) [18:22] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:23] ivo_ (~strato@f048050219.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:23] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:23] have a beer Camarade_Tux [18:24] heheh :P [18:25] Nick change: oobe -> lenswipe-afk [18:25] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-21-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:25] Nick change: lenswipe-afk -> oobe [18:25] I want to connect to the virtual machine otherwise I'm stuck with vnc and it's pretty slow ='( [18:26] gem_cat (~gem3@207-119-11-237.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.3.154) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:27] tobyl (~tobyl@host86-142-232-10.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] what does slack need to have for the variable PYTHONPATH ? [18:28] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.62) joined ##slackware. [18:28] mine is empty [18:29] gem_cat: what does your app need to have there is the question [18:29] appears to be needed only for the interpreter [18:29] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [18:30] I try to import a module and get module not found [18:30] notKlaatu (~klaatu@ip-66-80-74-154.iad.megapath.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:30] you sure that module is installed? [18:30] are you .. * [18:30] I installed numpy with a slack-package and it appears to be in place [18:32] all the stuff I googled seems not to apply [18:32] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:37] anyway I think the reason modules do not import in the interpreter is that the variable is empty - and the book examples do not go to any directory in slack [18:38] gem_cat: so set the var and see what it does.. ask another distro what they have [18:38] what? [18:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:39] PYTHONPATH probably is the location of the python program, which would be /usr/bin [18:39] which is part of PATH [18:39] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:39] man, http://energystar.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/energystar.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2564&p_created=1148315239 <--- WIN! :) [18:40] need to get me some 100W CFLs this weekend [18:41] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:41] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:43] I will figure it out - I just thought someone would recognize the prob [18:44] thanks anyway [18:44] gem_cat (gem3@207-119-11-237.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware ("Fades from view"). [18:47] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:48] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [18:50] regebro (~lregebro@1.16.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[20:11] so.. now I cant boot up at all without being thrown into the initrd shell [20:11] sad face :( [20:12] I need a cable for backing up the disk [20:13] Then again, on the bright side: Laptop hard disks are known for their shorter lives, and SATA for their cheap parts, but it's been running since 2007 without a problem, that's not bad. [20:17] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [20:20] fatalnix__ (~chatzilla@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] fatalnix__ (~chatzilla@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:23] fatalnix_ (~chatzilla@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [20:29] VanRoy (~kitsilano@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[21:45] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [21:48] hi, if i want to partition the disk for a home directory how much should i reserve for / ? [21:48] on a 100gb disk for example [21:49] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:49] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:50] afu (~afu@beavis.cba.ua.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:51] suid0_ (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:51] are you doing a full install echelon? [21:52] it's nice to have /var off by itself, too -- i'd say 10G though [21:52] yes, minus kde. [21:52] 10G just for /var? [21:52] no [21:52] no, 10g for / [21:52] thanks KaMii :) [21:53] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.216) joined ##slackware. [21:54] personally i like to use smaller hd [21:54] for my install [21:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-72-184.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] i then use the large ones for media and junk.... and i use those for network file shared via sshfs or samba [21:56] haha. i wish there was a bash.org for forums. [21:57] "Knowledge held in common by people is bits of information that's been grabbed through various sources and shared badly by other peers with each other until there is the illusion of approximate reconciliation near a witness-able and progressing median's rate that is proportionate to the rate of growth of its container." --Chris Punches [22:00] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: pornography calls. [22:00] Which are the recommended groups besides `users' that I should be a part of? [22:00] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-tzhmlbmmxmydcfaq) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [22:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-72-184.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:06] Mel-nix:: the grassroots rap movement in chicago, il. [22:06] lmao [22:06] but um... no [22:06] Action: righteous starts beatboxing [22:07] Swedish Hardrock is better [22:07] Action: righteous does the old manwhiteguywithnohips dance and continues to beatbox [22:08] swedish hardrock/metal sucks ass [22:09] Hey, I'm speaking of `users' and `groups'. Think `Slackware' and not other groups. [22:09] you dont have to be mean snL20 [22:09] KaMii: sorry just my opinion =) [22:11] Mel, you mean discuss on-topic stuff in here? Imagine that! [22:12] Mel, Slackbook might have some slightly outdated recommendations. [22:13] Mel-nix: the adduser script should point you in the right direction [22:16] sahk0: Ah yes. Thanks. 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[22:48] Nick change: PrincessBob -> Cann0n [22:48] lol [22:48] gotta love how irc is and is not anonymous 8-) [22:49] lol [22:49] I know *nothing*! Nothing! [22:49] nothing is a lot to know. i wish i could know nothing [22:49] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Nick change: KosherWookie -> Ralph [22:50] Delahunt: depends on the person, I guess :P [22:50] Cann0n: cool; thanks :) [22:50] Nick change: Ralph -> Barfolomew [22:50] but once you add each other on facebook... 8-) [22:50] Action: Delahunt isn't against facebook [22:50] Action: DrStrangeNix Is. [22:51] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] if one goes totally anonymous on irc (which is almost impossible) you get no respect because no one knows who you are (even though irc nicks can be hacked/obfuscated so it's not even close to being a dependable mechanism) [22:51] Delahunt: i know you aren't :) [22:51] The only organization that I really *need* to keep information away from already has it, so what's the point? [22:51] roccity_ (~roccity_@202.154.158.6) joined ##slackware. [22:51] if you go out in the open with your last name or a combination thereof, like rworkman and myself, you get over it [22:51] Delahunt: I think some people get respect just based on how they conduct themselves [22:51] that too, yes [22:52] roccity_ (~roccity_@202.154.158.6) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:52] As long as there are fiber splitters, they know. [22:52] There are quite a few people on IRC that I have interacted with, and have lots of respect for htem, but had (or still have) no idea of their real identity [22:52] i'm trying to install slackware on my netbook...i got the pen drive to boot.. i have the extracted file on my hard drive partition [22:52] I don't give out my last name, usually, but it isn't too hard to find who I am/where I work [22:52] rworkman, i almost made the journey to see you when i was in the states that time [22:52] that would've been cool [22:52] but i still cant install it.... [22:53] two slackware/xfce zealots lol [22:53] i've already been a victim of identity theift. [22:53] Cann0n, seriously? [22:53] i've giving it the right source...and where the folder is located [22:53] i still have no idea who i am [22:53] mancha, lol [22:53] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-97.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Delahunt: next time you have to do better ;-) [22:53] crashdata, the extracted file?! [22:53] rworkman, d[-.-]b [22:53] i'm not suppose to extract it? [22:54] the .iso? [22:54] crashdata, um, so you booted the usb installer and the .iso is on your hard drive? [22:54] crashdta one usually mounts an iso. what are you trying toinstall? [22:54] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] I know people who have been owned by money wire scams. How can that happen? Seriously. [22:54] ahhhh i extracted the content of the .iso [22:55] Delahunt: yeah. went to a detective and accused of stealing a grand and a laptop [22:55] mancha; slack 13.0 [22:55] i would think simply go through the motions in the installer, and right after it asks to select a source, control+alt+F2, run mount /wherever/the/iso/file/is.iso /var/log/mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop [22:55] Delahunt: it was my manager... he framed me [22:55] Delahunt, i cant loop it..i'm install slack fresh [22:55] then control+alt+F1 and then tell the installer that you want to install from some pre-mounted directory and then point it at /var/log/mount [22:55] took a VSA test (newest form of lie detection) and came out clean [22:55] that's what i would think [22:56] Cann0n, too bad it wasn't the Voight-Kampff test 8-) [22:56] Delahunt, who needs respect on IRC? [22:56] Delahunt, it wont mount cause its NTFS [22:57] pi31415, everyone needs respect [22:57] pi31415, stop being irrational [22:57] ror [22:57] dang...soo i guess i have to reformat that drive? [22:57] lol [22:57] Delahunt, that may be true, but on IRC too? [22:58] crashdata, so you have the iso on ntfs? uh ... can you mount the ntfs at /mnt/tmp or something (read-only) then mount the iso file using the command i told you? [22:58] pi31415, well i would say that everyone needs to be respectFUL [22:58] any hex editors that come with slackware? [22:58] if an anonymous person joins the channel, will we be compelled to be disrespectful? [22:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DZ3_obMXwU [22:59] pi31415, you'd be surprised [22:59] i would [22:59] fhobia, hexedit is nice, though it is not in the official distrib [22:59] i would think mount /dev/whatever-the-ntfs-is /mnt/tmp -t ntfs -o ro [22:59] i'm surprised khexedit isn't in slackware 13.0 (probably renamed in kde) [23:00] oh yes, lkhexedit is in the slackware 12's if you install kde and shit [23:01] Delahunt: elvis file.dat # then press Ctrl-W, then press d, and your hex editing [23:01] pi31415, cool thanks, didn't know that [23:01] s/your/you're/ [23:01] (though i usually uninstall elvis joe jove jed) [23:01] i think elvis is the default vi in slackware [23:01] pi31415: correct. [23:01] Delahunt, its giving me cant find /mnt/tmp in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [23:01] Action: Delahunt wonders if there's a nano plugin for hex editing [23:02] crashdata, what partition is ntfs? hda1? [23:02] sda3 [23:02] mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/tmp -t ntfs -o ro [23:02] er mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/tmp -t ntfs -o ro,mode=0777 [23:02] (i think i've had issues where if you didn't specify mode=0777 no one can read or execute stuff) [23:03] now i'm getting unknown filessytem type ntfs [23:03] ntfs-3g [23:03] use that. [23:03] -t ntfs-3g [23:03] mount.ntfs-3g /dev/sda3 /mnt/tmp -o ro [23:04] my apologies [23:04] y? thats okay [23:04] i thought slackware still had the in-kernel read-only ntfs support [23:04] thanks for helping [23:04] yw [23:04] is there a space between that . ? [23:04] *pew*pew*pew* [23:04] no spaces between mount and .ntfs-3g [23:04] k [23:04] Action: fhobia is using emacs for the hex editing [23:04] *spat*spat*spat* [23:05] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) joined ##slackware. [23:05] dang....no go....its giving me: No such file or directory [23:05] pi, does elvis allow you to edit in hex? [23:05] crashdata, mkdir /mnt/tmp ? [23:05] yup [23:05] i did that [23:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] and you're sure it's sda3 ? [23:06] heya,folks [23:06] (usually windows is the first thing on a machine, hence it's usually sda1 hda1 etc) [23:06] vim # :%!xxd and :%!xxd -r [23:06] yup...thats what it say [23:06] Just pastebin the output of "fdisk -l" when it is run as root. [23:06] xxd plugin sucks, thats just a dumper [23:06] mancha: edit yes, edit the hex side, no [23:06] on the installation..it ask u to press enter to see partition [23:06] right i meant edit the hex side, like adding "6e 4f 59 a0" [23:07] how do you enter non-ascii values then? [23:07] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:07] Delahunt, previous OS was ubuntu..cause it was able to fit on my flash drive [23:07] 1GB flash drive [23:07] oh [23:08] everything is setup using Gparted... [23:08] elvis has Ctrl-X or Ctrl-X Ctrl-X for hex data entry [23:08] back in the day I would install bvi [23:09] can i install slack via samba? [23:09] okay, so say i run elvis file.dat, ^W-d, how do i enter a hex value? [23:09] mancha: probably platform dependent, for entering special characters [23:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:10] mancha: go to append, input, or replace mode, then press Ctrl-X Ctrl-X and start entering hex digits [23:11] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] the first time i used a hex editor, it was to edit game save files [23:13] convert character statistics to hex, search, edit, load buffed character [23:13] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.164) joined ##slackware. [23:14] \o [23:14] mancha: type ^X thenthe hex digits [23:14] mancha: but you still need to select insert, replace, change, etc first [23:15] mancha: http://elvis.vi-editor.org/elvisman/elvisdm.html#hex [23:17] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5aed) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:17] Delahunt, should i format it to fat or ext4? [23:17] vcampos (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) left irc: Quit: quit [23:17] the partition or it doesnt matter? [23:17] crashdata: what are you trying to do? [23:18] crashdata, well i'm tyring to install slack using my partition drive on my netbook [23:18] but because its NTFS the installer cant mount it [23:18] Cann0n, [23:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:19] beats me. i always install via cd/dvd [23:20] Cann0n, :) me to untill now. [23:20] i seriously doubt you have to format anything as fat [23:20] i'm using alienbob's pendrive image to boot to my pin drive [23:20] remember back in the old days u cant mount ntfs [23:20] what? [23:20] well i guess the installer is still stuck on that era [23:21] pendrive pin drive? [23:21] flash drive [23:21] i never installed via remaveable media [23:21] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) joined ##slackware. [23:22] whats wrong with the "old fashioned" way? [23:22] nothing...i'm just saying...the installer doesnt have the capabilities to mount ntfs [23:23] i wouldn't know. i haven't used anything windows based in 10 years [23:24] i remember seeing a lot of issues with ntfs, but i don't touch the stuff [23:24] ahhh ha...what format is ur storage? [23:24] ekt4 [23:24] ext4* [23:24] cool thats what i was asking :) [23:24] if it matter [23:24] to format it as fat or ext4 [23:24] i guess not [23:24] i'd assume it does matter. you wouldn't want to make your native linux parititon fat32 [23:24] not the native [23:24] just the partitioned storage [23:25] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [23:25] not the linux partition [23:25] do you use windows any? [23:25] no [23:25] then scrap all ideas of using ntfs and fat32 :) [23:26] :) [23:26] i format my usb media to ext3 [23:26] accept for one [23:26] Does not journaling cause more writes? [23:27] good to know..wasnt always sure if it makes any diff. [23:28] groo (~groo@187.47.44.202) joined ##slackware. [23:28] groo (~groo@187.47.44.202) left irc: Client Quit [23:28] MrHales: seems to have very little change [23:29] johndee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:29] morning [23:30] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:31] Wasn't sure on that one. Mounting -noatime will prevent some unnecessary writes, though. [23:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 [23:38] Nick change: DrStrangeNix -> SwapDonkey [23:42] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:42] i wonder how Reiser is doing in prison [23:42] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] wikipedia has a comment about it [23:44] lol [23:46] sucks4him [23:47] he got 15 years??? thats lame. i'd gave him 6 months probation and a 400 dollar fine [23:47] that is why i'm not a judge. [23:47] Cann0n: For killing his wife?!?? [23:47] it costs about 50 bucks a day to keep one prisoner in prison for one day... [23:47] jkwood: he obviously had a good reason [23:48] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: Saindo [23:48] and what was it? [23:48] Cann0n: Less crack. More brain-stimulating activities. [23:49] i'm not a fan of our judicial system. like i laid, 50 bucks a day per prisoner... tax payers pay for it. [23:50] i say eye-for-an-eye but toom any sissies would be against that... so let him off the hook. why notL [23:53] s/toom any/too many/ [23:54] Justice would be branding people's crimes upon their face and then releasing them and let society do what it will. If approached by an individual with "Murder" branded on his face, you could then decide whether or not to associate with such an individual. [23:54] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:54] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] ... and vote for me in 2012. ;-) [23:55] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-97.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:55] MrHales, reminds me of one of Isaac Asimov's short stories or one that was printed in the Foundations series [23:56] if i was tthe BDFL of the USA, i'd kill all the killers, legalize herb, remove warning labels from everything, and allow cops the ability to shoot people on sight without questions. [23:56] Haven't read that, but I'll take that as a compliment in a "great minds think alike" sort of way. :-D [23:57] I'd allow people to shoot cops on sight, as well. Turnabout is fair play. [23:57] :) lol [23:57] eye for an eye dude [23:58] Honestly, nationwide open carry... now that's crime-prevention. [23:58] can I safely remove different languages from /usr/share/locale ? [23:58] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [23:58] i think prisons are pointless. the trial should follow the day of the criminals capture. next day is a public execution [23:59] wario: why would you want to remove them? [23:59] because it takes up 200mb [00:00] --- Sat Apr 10 2010