[00:00] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:00] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [00:02] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:02] S Cali had an earthquake how fun [00:02] the only distingusing factor i can find on the motherboard is agere. i'm trying to find what display adapter i need [00:02] dimmerbold: not sure to be honest. What type of function would it do? [00:02] :( [00:04] nullboy: hold on to you beer! [00:04] http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/latest.htm [00:05] only 3.3 [00:05] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:05] too bad it didn't hit LA :( [00:05] 4.5 quake 1 mile south of San Bernadino... it's nothing much.. [00:05] 4.5 is decent but not too bad, depends on the depth and the substrate [00:06] they say within 30 years a destructive EQ may his california [00:06] and where the 4.5 is [00:06] That would equate to the shock wave of a princess cracking a newly polished finger nail [00:06] lol [00:06] supergear: so then we just deal with it [00:07] glad my state doesn't get EQ or hurricanes or anything real destructive [00:07] i have canned foods and water stockpiled [00:07] ready for mayhem [00:07] nullboy: and beer? ;) [00:07] lol [00:08] make shelter for your libanese beerdealer ;) [00:08] earthquakes require much stiffer sauce [00:08] i'd break out the rum [00:08] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-31.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-70.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] I live about 100 yards east of the Hayward fault and when that puppy goes they predict greater than 7.0 conservatively.. I ain't moving.. I would be might pissed if I missed it. [00:09] for anyone who has not felt what an earthquake feels like, you're so missing out [00:09] brb [00:09] So everyone's fav OS gets an offical public beta tomorrow [00:09] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [00:10] nullboy, I was here for the 89 quake and it was one scary experience.. [00:10] lammerzao_br (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Lab_Rat: you mean "oh fuck ..armageddon came and went and I missed it"? ;) [00:10] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:10] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [00:10] BP{k}, Next time ... there always a next time [00:10] atom_fox (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) joined ##slackware. [00:11] the the 94 quake our property took some damage, some walls failed, in 89 only dishes broke [00:11] Are you in southern ca nullboy [00:11] yeah [00:12] You guys had a bad one in 94... [00:12] well it shook the windows [00:12] yeah northridge [00:12] 89 was pretty ugly here ... the place I was living got knocked off the foundation [00:12] I remember both of them [00:13] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [00:13] hi guys. I want to install slack on my new laptop. But it's my first time to install slack on ah laptop. Would the installation detects the drivers? Or slack would detect the driver, specificaly LAN, MODEM or WLAN... because I believe this are the important ones. By the way I'm going to dual boot it with a preinstalled Vista. Thanks guys... [00:13] It's not so much the richter scale rating although that matters.. It's the duration that does the damage [00:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [00:13] this is awesome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercalli_intensity_scale [00:13] atom_fox: did you check if your hardware is Linux compatible first? [00:14] 94 was IX. Ruinous [00:14] lol [00:14] a great earthquake is coming soon in ca ... dont you think to move ? [00:14] :-) [00:14] lammerzao_br: ? [00:14] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:14] you think CA is the only place that can have epic quakes? [00:14] nice... a new scale... ruinous, catastrophic. a walk in the park.... I like it [00:14] Lab_Rat: lol [00:14] :-) [00:15] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [00:15] The east coast as well as the midwest can have quakes [00:15] Lab_Rat: the definitions are even better: General panic; damage considerable in specially designed structures, well designed frame structures thrown out of plumb. Damage great in substantial buildings, with partial collapse. Buildings shifted off foundations. [00:15] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.74) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew." [00:15] I believe it's compatible... because I tried backtrack and xubuntu it worked well but I cant use the wlan on backtrack but using PPOE connection it both work... but I'm not sure how to use it on slack [00:15] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-763f6175698f5f93) left irc: "Leaving" [00:15] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:16] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:16] nullboy, very nice...:) [00:16] Action: BP{k} likes the richter .. although since they called 10+ epic ... I want quakes less than 2.0 name failquakes ;) [00:16] are you from california nullnoy? [00:16] lammerzao_br: yes [00:17] Oh geez I love the lowest one.... " feeble" [00:17] Are you afraid ? [00:17] lammerzao_br: no [00:17] :-) [00:17] lammerzao_br: being afraid means being unprepared [00:17] guys?^^^ [00:17] atom_fox: install it already and find out wtf man [00:17] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] aereinha (n=aereinha@cpe-76-84-191-84.neb.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:18] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] another thing [00:18] dimmerbold: Fixed it. Ended up being a bios issue. I had remembered that before i upgraded to 12.2 that i did a bios upgrade and it must of turned off a few features. [00:19] atom_fox, The worst that can happen is you will be stuck with Vista.. Give it a shot.. it will probably fly just fine [00:19] ok thanks... [00:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Client Quit [00:19] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-220.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [00:20] In fact there is an asteroid coming to hit us ... [00:20] in 2014 [00:20] lammerzao_br: awesome [00:20] hahaha [00:20] another thing, what packages should i install so it would only install xfce mand flux on my hd... and omit K on the installation? I'm really not sure because I used newbie install before [00:21] Asteroid "2003 QQ47" [00:21] i've always wanted it all to end with a space rock big enough to make Earth go *poof*. Not some "omg Earth on fire"...i want it all turned into a cloud of dust [00:21] atom_fox: if you have the diskspace .. just install all. [00:21] atom_fox (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) left irc: "Leaving" [00:21] especially if you are new to slackware, it saves you a .. oh ffs ... [00:22] some enormous ball of iron could do it i bet [00:22] [ in bed ] [00:22] going fast enough, like a few hundred thousand miles per hour [00:22] atom_fox (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) joined ##slackware. [00:22] alright i lied. Half way fixed. USB auto mounts now, but cdrom doesn't. [00:23] atom_fox: especially if you are new to slackware, it saves you a load of hassle. [00:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kBjO8RpgYc&feature=related [00:23] imagine this big ball hitting our earth [00:24] that's weak [00:24] i want POOF [00:24] no leftovers [00:24] I'm not really new at slack been using it for months but I'm not sure about the process of installations, and it is my first linux distro. I just want to uninclude the kde packages. But I'll still follow your suggestion. [00:25] atom_fox: well you could do that. just deselect KDE (KDEI should be deselected anyway), then hit "full install" [00:26] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.96) joined ##slackware. [00:27] One stupid question: Why does the Slackware's Elvis doesn't include support for X11? [00:29] because..it was compiled without X support [00:29] That would require X to be installed to use elvis [00:30] lots of slackware machines are servers and don't need/want X [00:30] straterra: negative. [00:30] Negative what? [00:30] wait. nevermind. [00:30] Action: BP{k} shuts up. [00:30] ok [00:30] Oh [00:31] If you want X support, feel free to recompile it [00:32] wow elvis with x11 support looks weird. [00:32] indeed [00:32] nullboy, this is a fun real time view of the UCB seismograph... it requires Java http://memento.ieor.berkeley.edu/memento.html [00:32] i'm watching that youtube link from lammerzao_br [00:32] it's pretty cool [00:33] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.74) joined ##slackware. [00:34] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [00:34] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [00:35] nullboy: Do you believe in life in others planets ? [00:36] of course [00:36] i think the odds are too great to assume that we are alone [00:36] I mean, Intelligence life [00:36] Damn those guys at JPL have all the really good toys to play with... I am jealous [00:36] lammerzao_br: yes [00:36] so .. [00:37] why they didnt comunicate with us ? [00:37] lammerzao_br: because they are intelligent? ;) [00:37] communicating or traveling here is a completely different question [00:37] BP{k}: lol [00:38] rk4n3: Are you an Alien ? [00:38] They come here to figure out how to install slackware on their super computers [00:38] well, I know I've been called worse [00:38] lammerzao_br: i agree with rk4n3's comment but to humor you, any civilization that is capable of detecting ours is probably going to understand that intervening into our device is a bad idea [00:38] why .. [00:39] they could bring peace .. [00:39] because we haven't reached a certain "understanding" yet [00:39] lammerzao_br: you think some other civilization will "bring" us peace? [00:39] no [00:39] peace is not brought [00:39] t [00:39] But if they bring us a cure for herpes..that'd be sweet [00:39] fuck .. we can't even make peace among ourselves. [00:39] lol [00:40] LOL [00:40] sometimes I think that they are observing us .. [00:40] even in this room [00:40] we'll make great pets [00:40] lammerzao_br: maybe [00:40] That's cool [00:40] where do you all look for centrist news? I'm pretty sure it doesn't really exist. [00:40] INTELLIGENT ALIENS...BRING SOOTHING CREAM PLEASE [00:40] I want to be a pet - as long as I get walked often enough [00:40] :-) [00:41] if i ever find out that i'm a pet i'm going to poop all over the place [00:41] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:41] lammerzao_br, there's a movie about that, can't remember the name.. [00:41] oh, you are so going to the shelter dude [00:41] lol [00:41] they're in the ocean XD. [00:41] you know ... Strykar can be an Alien .. and how we could know that [00:41] nullboy: what if they rub your face in it? [00:41] "No one could have dreamed we were being scrutinized, as someone with a microscope, studies creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. " [00:41] cr0w_: abyss [00:42] thank you nullboy :). [00:42] http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W8JLqsbK5V0 <-- lammerzao_br ;) [00:42] lammerzao_br: we'd know because he'd sound way smart - but he doesn't, so ... (haha - just kidding Strykar) :) [00:42] BP{k}: War of the Worlds ? [00:42] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Wait [00:43] If there are aliens.. [00:43] rk4n3: eve of war. [00:43] ah [00:43] Thats an opportunity to give them living sacrafices of our.. 'best' citizens [00:44] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:44] and our best citizens are all in congress! [00:44] one stop shopping [00:44] There was an australian woman who said that a big fly source .. [00:44] "We give you..um..the amazing..carrottop...and OJ Simpson..and um...George Bush Jr." [00:44] nullboy, don't forget the new socialist president :) [00:44] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:44] lol [00:44] would have flied on October 14th [00:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.74) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC" [00:44] cr0w_: yes yes, we can't leave out any one [00:44] I was watching the sky .. [00:44] I didnt see anything [00:45] hehehe [00:45] staterra: don't forget Sinbad - get him in on the package deal [00:45] oh lord [00:45] jack thompson [00:45] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] lammerzao_br: don't you think NASA would have noticed a huge space rock on track with earth by now? at least anything that had a certain amount of doom in its trajectory? [00:45] cpunches too [00:45] short of the good old "from behind the Sun" setup... [00:46] nullboy: I saw that movie!! Bruce Willis died :( [00:46] lol [00:46] Nullboy, there are already thousands of conspirist theories related to the government hiding aliens. [00:46] cr0w_: i'm talking about rocks dude [00:46] space rocks [00:46] like..space crack? [00:46] the killah rockz0rz [00:46] sign me up [00:46] My 6th grade science teacher is convinced there will be one hitting us in around 2020. [00:47] omg..alien alcohol [00:47] jalk (n=aldskfj@c-24-10-229-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] isn't that just sour milk ? [00:47] hahhaha oh man [00:47] rk4n3: that freaking rocked [00:47] straterrea would the US's drinking age apply in that situation :O? [00:47] :) [00:47] 5x human strength [00:48] haha - 5x human strenth, superior technology, but they can't get the splotches off their heads and they get drunk off of sour milk ... yay the aliens are here \o/ [00:49] what i really want..is for the aliens to bring us widespread ipv6 adoption and SoIP...that being Stabbing over Internet Protocol [00:49] Specifically integrated use with IRC [00:50] sweet - vengence over IP [00:50] Nuke over IP [00:50] haha [00:50] For when Nagasaki gets out of hand again [00:50] Action: straterra ducks [00:50] is ther esome aliens here in this room ? I would like to know [00:50] Yes [00:50] :-) [00:50] I sir, am an alien [00:50] hehehe [00:51] I'd bet there's some illegal aliens 'round abouts [00:51] This is why I have no STD's..I am immune to your Earth cooch critters [00:51] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:51] there are a lot of illegal aliens in this room.. [00:51] haha - that must also be why you want a cure ;) [00:51] my other aliens arent so lucky [00:51] rk4n3: I hate those -.-...doesn't look like it's getting fixed soon either. [00:52] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-70.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:53] unlikely as it is, I actually think its more likely that earth residents of the future would visit us in the past, which I think would be far more interesting than space bugs or space sponges or whatever [00:53] any of you guys use mod_xml for apache2? [00:53] Action: cr0w_ likes tacos, aliens better stay. [00:53] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.138.205) left irc: "chauchas" [00:54] rk4n3: As long as Biff doesnt get a hold of a sports almanac [00:54] exactly [00:54] rk4n3, That's more in keeping with string theory as depicted in the movie " What the Bleep" [00:54] true enough [00:55] watch now next week they show up and all they have to say to us is "WTF?" [00:55] jalk (n=aldskfj@c-24-10-229-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:56] "zomgpwnd" They are fluent in Gentoo! [00:56] haha - "where's the love, man ?" [00:56] 1am sleep time [00:56] cr0w_ (i=1001@adsl-241-230-56.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("beddytime."). [00:57] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:58] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:59] supergear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:59] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] this one is cool too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngmeli6sCAA&feature=related [01:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:01] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.96) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." 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[01:06] bbbs (n=aldskfj@c-24-10-229-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:07] nullboy, In 89 you could see the waves in the ground... It looked like ocean waves.. The noise was unbelievable.. It was the sound of moving buildings and rattling glass. [01:07] atom_fox (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) left irc: "Leaving" [01:08] that's the thing at always trips me out the most, that massive earthquake noise [01:08] scary [01:08] that gnarly deep rumble [01:08] it's like hell trying to escape [01:09] We get a lot of them that are very close by... less than a quarter mile... It's just a huge bang.. Like something really heavy landed on the roof [01:09] usually only in the less than 3.5 range [01:10] i've since moved a bit north to ventura county so i only feel the the bigger ones from down there, i can usually feel 3.5+ [01:11] i didn't feel today's though i was driving [01:11] newbie (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) joined ##slackware. [01:11] I am right on the fault and there are a lot of tributaries in the area.. They just make a lot of noise but do no damage [01:11] guys how do I connect to the internet I choose DHCP [01:12] I mean I use... [01:12] netconfig [01:12] Is there a GUI I could use? [01:12] netconfig? then? [01:12] (as root) [01:12] yes [01:12] ok [01:12] then? [01:12] connect to anything that's there? [01:12] you'll get it when you run it [01:12] ok [01:12] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html [01:13] newbie (n=Administ@124.107.19.117) left irc: Client Quit [01:13] read that when you're finished [01:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.74) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:16] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:17] lammerzao_br (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [01:18] hmm, does vanilla slack not come with an asound.conf? [01:18] or am I jus tlooking in the wrong place? [01:19] lammerzao_br (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:19] /etc/asound.conf [01:22] yeah, I doesn't have that [01:23] I do ... me > you :) [01:24] rk4n3: bah [01:24] hehe [01:24] it's strange, because I can do aplay -L and it lists a bunch of profiles [01:24] but I assume those are default profiles of some kind [01:24] mine has /etc/asound.conf [01:25] so it's getting information from SOMEWHERE [01:25] /proc/asound/cards ? [01:25] CaptObviousman: have you run alsaconf? [01:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.29.222) joined ##slackware. [01:25] mshade: I don't believe so, no [01:25] well then. [01:25] ~/asoundrc? [01:25] well, I have to store the current volumes [01:25] you won't have /etc/asound.conf :) [01:25] sahko0 (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-191-153.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:25] wait, no that's alsactl [01:25] Action: TwinReverb doesn't run alsaconf until/unless it is required [01:26] current volumes are stored in /etc/asound.state [01:26] try running alsaconf, CaptObviousman [01:26] also, hiya TwinReverb :) [01:26] hi :D [01:27] honestly, on a default slackware install with no running of alsaconf and no adding users to audio group, sound just works (tm) [01:27] with dmix no less [01:28] yeah, so I discovered happily [01:28] but my card is crackling, and the alsa wiki suggested adding a line to the config file [01:29] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [01:29] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.29.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:31] mshade: I ran it, and still no /etc/asound.conf or .asoundrc [01:32] CaptObviousman: oh. bullocks :) [01:32] baradude (n=baradude@58.137.93.218) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:32] try alsactl store ? [01:32] CaptObviousman, did you check to see if your bass or treble settings are too high. I had the crackling problem and when i adjusted the base and treble it stopped [01:33] nullboy: done before. Did again just now, nothing [01:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:34] it doesn't bother me, provided making my own won't overwrite previously established (default?) settings [01:34] You are doing this as root? [01:34] Lab_Rat: root has no .asoundrc either. But no, as a user in the audio group [01:35] when I ran alsactl store, I did it as root. Same for alsaconf [01:35] Action: TwinReverb blacklisted all the alsa oss modules [01:36] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): let go" [01:37] sahko0 (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-191-153.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] hmm, getting late. I'll have to tackle this tomorow night [01:38] thanks for the suggestions, forks [01:39] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.11.96) joined ##slackware. [01:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.21.135) joined ##slackware. [01:46] hello girls ... are you there ? :-D [01:46] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.69.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:46] hey baby [01:46] wait [01:46] Nick change: nullboy -> nullgirl [01:46] hey baby [01:47] lol [01:47] come on [01:47] Nick change: nullgirl -> nullboy [01:47] lammerzao_br: dude, you might as well be looking for aliens [01:47] it seems that gilrs doent like slackware [01:47] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.69.6) joined ##slackware. [01:47] alienBOB: Hey AlienBOB .. are you there ? [01:48] hehe [01:48] oh geez this will end poorly [01:48] heh [01:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.21.135) left ##slackware. [01:54] rk4n3, hey! we actually have an alien in here [01:54] ? [01:54] go ahead [01:55] not illegal, I hope ? [01:56] what is the fun if your legal, and you won't believe how hard it is to get the US to believe that planet SXjzls exists [01:56] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.73.223) joined ##slackware. [01:56] lol [01:57] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:57] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.73.223) left irc: Client Quit [01:59] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [02:02] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Nick change: lammerzao_br -> n00b_br [02:06] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:07] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@120.164.11.96) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:09] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.73.223) joined ##slackware. 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[02:26] pidgin's finch, interesting [02:26] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:27] TwinReverb: yes, I use pidgin but i'd like somehting out of a cli [02:27] out of a terminal [02:27] finch is pidgin for the term [02:27] http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Finch [02:28] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] briareus: bitlbee is also nice [02:29] i use the public bitlbee servers :) [02:30] thanks nullboy [02:30] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: "Reconnecting" [02:30] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [02:31] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:31] Nick change: steerpik1 -> steerpike [02:32] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.69.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:32] fluxnuk31 (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] rworkman_ (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] anyone ever try to compile Hydrogen drum machine on slackware 12.2 [02:35] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.69.6) joined ##slackware. [02:35] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:35] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] guitarman4: is there a specific problem? [02:36] or in general have challenges compiling apps requiring qt4 when u are using the qt3.xx slack default. [02:36] skyln (n=ok@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] it can't find module qt4 [02:36] if it requires qt4, it needs qt4 [02:36] i installed the qt4 slackbuild and its in /usr/lib/qt4 [02:36] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] skyln (n=ok@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:37] i pointed the install script to that but it says qt4 module not found [02:37] hrm :S [02:37] oh! [02:37] does it use qmake? [02:37] there's a problem with pkgtool, when i go to remove, it says a package has been removed, but i haven't removed anything, no list of package whatsoever, what's gone wrong? [02:38] rather 'no module named qt4' [02:38] because you'll need to use `qmake-qt4` instead [02:38] steerpike, i will look [02:38] oh, you're stuck in the ./configure portion, nevermind :\ [02:38] IntangibleLiquid: wat? [02:39] steerpike, pkgtool --> remove --> the packages have been removed, see complete log bla bla bla <-- this is what i meant :( [02:40] stuck in the ./configure position? :S [02:40] the list of packages that i can choose to remove should be there [02:40] IntangibleLiquid: ls /var/log/packages/ ? [02:40] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:41] steerpike - it actually uses scons [02:41] steerpike, lots are there of course, my system is still functional, except for pkgtool [02:43] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [02:57] google almost always holds the answer :) [02:59] fixed hydrogen compile prob - thx for listening steerpike ... editing the build file Sconstruct wasn't the right place to specify where qt4 was ... an export command was what i found was what it was looking for ... its happily compiling - so far. ;) [02:59] ls [02:59] oops [02:59] has anybody tried to put slack on usb stick with persistence? [03:00] SiegeX: I have put slack on a USB stick, but I'm not sure what you mean "with persistence" ... ? [03:00] i.e not just use it to install slack on another computer, but to actually have a distro on a stick [03:01] and persistence meaning changes you make get written back to the flash so that next time you boot it up, the changes remain [03:01] SiegeX: yeah, I've put Slackware on a USB stick with the goal of just leaving it plugged in, no harddrive, and just running the computer off of it [03:01] basically pendrivelinux.com but with real slackware, not slax [03:02] SiegeX: I put stock Slackware on, had to muck with my initrd to get things to boot up OK, but after that its just a plain ol slack install ... [03:02] SiegeX: ... but that also means its not designed to optimize where changes are written or anything like that, so it does write to the USB drive alot and it ends up running a bit slow - I expect some creative setup of RAM disk or some such scheme to minimize writes would be good... [03:03] do you remember what things you had to much with? I found this thread which is a year old but people seemed to still not get it all down correctly with 12.0 --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [03:03] s/much/muck [03:03] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:03] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX: the ONLY IRC client on Viagra!" [03:04] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:04] SiegeX: yes, I remember pretty clearly - all I had to do was set up my initrd with the right modules, and then I had to make some changes to the startup scripts for some odd little things like a sleep to let the USB drive have enough time to register before trying to mount the root file system, stuff like that [03:04] hmm, ya a write to ram disk with a flush to flash before shutdown would be really nice [03:05] SiegeX: ... and I'm referring to the startup scripts in the initrd, because its before mounting the root fs that these changes are important [03:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [03:05] SiegeX: so it was a little exercise in understanding the initrd thing, but it wasn't that bad [03:06] ya, they talk about initrd in there. Did you use rootdelay option? [03:06] SiegeX: I found the resulting system to be a bit slow to keep using though - if I wanted to, I'd imagine having to do something with RAM disk and other such techniques - haven't spent the time yet though [03:06] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:07] SiegeX: I didn't know about that option - I just put a sleep into the appropriate script - worked fine [03:08] aereinha (n=aereinha@cpe-76-84-191-84.neb.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:08] SiegeX: what I did come out of it with, though, was a clear understanding of how to boot stock Slack from a USB harddrive, which definitely IS very useful and plenty fast - I do it quite a bit [03:10] SiegeX: at work, the stick us with this "company blessed" Windows installs, and I can't take it so I reboot from my slack install on USB drive and just use the computer that way without messing with the HD in the box, that way I can just reboot back to the "blessed" install if I need to [03:10] so basically the process is to create an install cd's (or dvd) and have it partition + install on your usbstick. Then after you have all the packages installed and your partitions mounted and created, you create a new initrd for it? [03:10] yep, that's about it :) [03:10] rk4n3: thats exactly what I want to use it for. [03:11] but im a bit confused, you say its slow in one post but quick in the next [03:11] understood - its a good way to go [03:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:11] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [03:11] slow off of USB stick, plenty fast off of USB HD [03:11] ahh, usb HD, missed that part [03:11] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.25.20) joined ##slackware. [03:11] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.54.12) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:12] hmm, i wonder how close to slackware slax is, because this little guy sounds pretty neat, it doesnt even require you to reboot windows, it runs slax in a qemu virtual machine --> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/qemu-persistent-slax-linux/ [03:13] im not sure if slax is just minimal slackware, or if its a whole new beast with slackware at its root [03:13] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) got netsplit. [03:13] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) got netsplit. [03:13] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) got netsplit. [03:13] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) got netsplit. [03:13] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) got netsplit. [03:13] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) got netsplit. [03:13] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) got netsplit. [03:13] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) got netsplit. [03:13] v3gard (n=v3gard@svale.hia.no) got netsplit. [03:13] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [03:13] Tibux (n=Tib@tibux.org) got netsplit. [03:13] Dinde (n=kayser@81-65-176-209.rev.numericable.fr) got netsplit. [03:13] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) got netsplit. [03:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:13] I've used slax some, I've found it to be fairly close to slackware - it pretty much based off of a slackware release, and then they just make some changes to make the live-cd thing feasible [03:14] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) returned to ##slackware. [03:14] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:14] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) returned to ##slackware. [03:14] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) returned to ##slackware. [03:14] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) returned to ##slackware. 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I think it says something that you just take any slackware package, run "mo2pkg" or whatever that tool is, and it produces a slax package straight from the slackware package [03:15] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:15] now thats nifty [03:15] ... I think its "pkg2mo" or something like that [03:16] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [03:16] yeah, it keeps you "in touch" with slackware - its feels like at least some evidence that slax isn't too far off [03:16] well thanks for the tips, cant wait to try it at work [03:17] I've also found slax very easy to customize ... I've created my own CD dists of it with customized sets of software - I hate XFCE and KDE, so I put my own favorite X programs in there [03:17] ... yeah, have fun :) [03:17] z [03:17] does it come with gcc/glibc stuff standard? I mostly want it for developement [03:18] I think you have to get the "development module", but its definitely available, just not in the stock CD [03:19] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:20] no biggie then, looks like it only wants 512M and i got an old 1gig floating around. that pkg2mo is really going to come in handy I bet [03:20] definitely [03:23] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.54.12) joined ##slackware. [03:24] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:24] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] fluffo (n=a@e179148083.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [03:27] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:27] rk4n3, SLAX IS Slackware. [03:27] It's just been made to be run in a live environment from read-only media. [03:27] well even better [03:27] However, you won't get help with SLAX issues here. [03:28] ccfreak2k: I agree that its very close, but it's NOT an official port/release of slackware [03:28] Neither is Slamd64. [03:28] agreed [03:28] That doesn't stop them from being descendents. [03:28] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Connection timed out [03:28] agreed - I just think "slax *is* slackware" is just a little too strong ... its a descendent [03:29] heh, two peeps in #slax doesnt seem promising [03:29] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.25.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:29] derivative? [03:29] I could go with that [03:29] but assuming i dont get problems with the live env stuff, i shouldnt have much questions [03:29] SLAX is pretty simple; it's hard to go wrong with it. [03:29] SiegeX: yeah, I never had questions [03:29] ccfreak2k: indeed [03:30] rk4n3, except that running from the live cd is slower [03:30] wonder if its worth getting those high-performance flash sticks for abit more [03:30] ..a bit more money [03:30] IntangibleLiquid: yes, there's some noticeable difference, but its pretty minimized and isolated to certain areas ... its nothing like trying to run stock slackware from a USB stick - THAT'S slow [03:31] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:31] SiegeX: I'd go with a 2.5" USB HD - just get an enclosure and buy an inexpensive laptop drive [03:32] rk4n3, agreed, but there're not a lot of extra things you can do. Good for demonstration or to be on the go [03:32] IntangibleLiquid: indeed - but there is one extremely useful application - exactly what both SiegeX and I aim to use it for... [03:33] IntangibleLiquid: escaping the Windows nazis at work without messing up their "blessed" HD [03:33] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:33] rk4n3, that's nice :) [03:34] yes, it works extremely well [03:34] :) [03:35] does Slackware provide a tool for updating packages for the Official repos? [03:36] hi :) [03:36] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.73.223) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:37] heh, well I *do* have seven 60G IDE laptop drives in my hardware cabinet at work that we use for our embedded controllers. Who's going to miss a measley 1? =) [03:37] IntangibleLiquid: you mean get updated packages from official repo ? [03:37] it is after all being used at work *for* work =) [03:37] rk4n3, that's what I meant [03:37] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:37] IntangibleLiquid: slapt-get or slackpkg, I prefer the former but the latter is "official" [03:38] SiegeX, what's the option that follows? [03:38] i've read the man but i'm a bit confused [03:38] IntangibleLiquid: I should know the answer, but I never do it, so I'm not sure ... I'm under the impression that slapt-get and slackpkg aren't encouraged, but getting the packages from -current is fairly easy with standard tools like wget, and just use the pkgtools programs to update your system with them [03:39] ... I could be mistaken though [03:39] sola5_ (i=IceChat7@dialup-4.224.174.195.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] well you would setup your slapt-getrc file with SOURCE=http://some.slackware.mirror/12.2/:OFFICIAL [03:39] and then run 'slapt-get --update && slapt-get --upgrade' [03:39] tidus_ (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [03:40] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] I think now that slackpkg is official, and now that slapt-get has source priorities they are no longer discouraged, maybe not encouraged [03:40] Nick change: tidus_ -> Tidus [03:41] slapt-get and slackpkg for official sources are pretty much one and the same, but i like slapt-get's api better. I also wrote a script for it that you put in cron that will check to see if your behind on updates and email you a nice list of what needs to be upgraded along with the changelog excerpt to go with that. [03:42] slapt-get does allow you to install non-official packages whereas slackpkg does not, so there is some danger in that if you just go willy nilly installing any old crappy .tgz (linuxpackages im looking at you) [03:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-52-197.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:43] ok, i'm doing it [03:43] IntangibleLiquid: here is my script, pretty self explanitory (at least I hope) --> http://www.aetherstorm.com/slapt_update [03:43] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [03:44] just toss that into /etc/cron.daily and make sure its chmod +x, then you never have to guess when you are out of date [03:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.138) joined ##slackware. [03:45] hmmm... I'll have to check into all that, sounds interesting. I know that instinctively prefer a simple "rsync and pkgtools" approach, though... [03:46] Nick change: Camarade_Tux_ -> Camarade_Tux [03:46] slapt-get uses pkgtools under the hood (as does slackpkg) [03:46] so its essentially not much different except you're not hosting your own mirror essentially [03:46] rk4n3, now that you talk about rsycn, i think Slackbasics has that section on how to use rsync for update :) [03:47] IntangibleLiquid: the :OFFICIAL tag after the SOURCE= is very important, it tells slapt-get to track that mirror exactly and not care about version numbers. [03:48] so dont forget that [03:48] SiegeX looking for slapt-getrc in vain, where is it? [03:48] in /etc/slapt-get [03:49] i dont seem to have that, weird [03:49] sola5_ (i=IceChat7@dialup-4.224.174.195.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left irc: "Not that there is anything wrong with that" [03:49] did you install the slapt-get .tgz? [03:49] SiegeX, nah, that explains why :) [03:49] =) [03:50] thought it was pre-installed [03:50] noper, http://software.jaos.org/slackpacks/12.2/slapt-get-0.10.1-i386-1.tgz [03:50] assuming you're on 12.2 [03:51] SiegeX, yes I am [03:51] thanks for the link [03:52] yep, when you're done, post your slapt-getrc file to pastebin or whatnot and ill make sure it looks OK [03:53] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:54] SiegeX, I didn't make many changes to it, just the source, but there's TWO source options, should I comment one out? [03:55] ahh, ya I see what you mean, i have a copy of the latest one. They have :OFFICIAL on them right? [03:55] SiegeX, yeb, they even have 2 :) [03:55] which I'm confused [03:56] leave the bottom SOURCE alone that has software.jaos.org, that will be used to update slapt-get itself when new releases are out [03:56] the top source is for slackware itself [03:56] SiegeX, now I get it :) [03:56] so i suggest what you do is go to www.slackware.com/getslack and find an http/ftp mirror closest to you [03:56] SiegeX, can I safely ignore the email thing? I don't run an mail server on my system [03:56] and toss that in there instead, making sure to keep the :OFFICIAL [03:57] SiegeX, I have one here, pretty fast, 160kbps on avg [03:58] IntangibleLiquid: thats fine, just set the SEND_TO_STDOUT option to equal '1' and then you can ignore the two MAIL_FROM and RCPT_TO options at the top, instead cron will put the email in your local root inbox [03:58] so next time you login to root, it should say that you have mail [04:01] SiegeX, done http://pastebin.com/d60492560 :) [04:02] host_ (n=host@116.204.38.17) joined ##slackware. [04:02] IntangibleLiquid: thats output from two seperate files right? [04:02] ls [04:03] pwd [04:03] SiegeX, eh, only one file [04:04] heh, no no. put my slapt_update script into /etc/cron.daily, then 'chmod +x /etc/cron.daily/slapt_update [04:04] shame on me :) [04:04] IntangibleLiquid: lines 1-6 of your paste should be in your /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc file [04:04] so make sure you remove them from my slapt_update script [04:05] also, I noticed that you have TRACK_CURRENT=1 but the SOURCE URL you gave to slapt-getrc is pointing to slackware 12.2 (i.e, not -current) [04:05] Unless you want to be on the bleeding edge and help debug packages, I suggest you not track current [04:06] in which case your SOURCE= line is fine in slapt-getrc, but you need to change TRACK_CURRENT to '0' in my slapt_update script [04:06] ok [04:07] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:07] so do me a favor and 'cat /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc' and put that into pastebin [04:07] then do the same for /etc/cron.daily/slapt_update [04:08] Wow.. i didn't think it possible, but Windows 7 IS worse than Vista! [04:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.138) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:11] thats not the word on the street. Are you running the actual beta? [04:11] SiegeX, you're doing me a BIG favor dude! http://pastebin.com/d458ca663 [04:11] Zordrak, ppl are thinking it's gonna be a killer app [04:11] SiegeX: no [04:12] SiegeX: the test build [04:12] but rumoured to be near identical [04:12] funny, that is in complete opposite of what've read. I literally read that this test build was already better than vista in its current form [04:12] right, thats the one [04:13] IntangibleLiquid: ok, looking good [04:13] host_ (n=host@116.204.38.17) left irc: "‚»" [04:13] SiegeX, thanks a bunch! [04:13] now gimme slapt_update [04:13] also, do an 'ls -l /etc/cron.daily' just to make sure [04:14] In vista you had the option to turn off the fisher price childrens toy interface bits so that you could be prductive...... but not in 7 [04:15] SiegeX, http://pastebin.com/d5a5e6713, there's slapt-update in cron.daily [04:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:15] eg no more can you have a normal start menu [04:16] [MA]Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [04:16] IntangibleLiquid: one more tweak to slapt_update, doesnt really matter all that much but you might as well change the CHANGELOG_STABLE variable to use your mirror [04:16] instead of the one i choose [04:17] SiegeX, ok ;) [04:17] WTF! [04:17] Action: Zordrak wakes up [04:17] are you recommending slapt-get?! [04:17] more like crapt-get! [04:18] heyyyoooooooo [04:18] <[MA]Amine_> is patrick volkerding present here ? :) [04:18] hiptobecubic: right on brudder [04:18] [MA]Amine_: no [04:18] Action: hiptobecubic listens to the crickets... [04:18] <[MA]Amine_> Zordrak: what is his nickname ? [04:18] Zordrak, nice interrobang back there. [04:19] Action: SiegeX recommends it with a vengeance [04:19] [MA]Amine_: Pat Q. Eusenhower [04:19] tell me why you don't and ill show you why thats wrong [04:19] <[MA]Amine_> Zordrak: ok thanks :) [04:20] [MA]Amine: ive seen him like 2x in the past 5 years [04:20] Action: Zordrak slaps SiegeX - "GET A HOLD OF YOURLSELF!!" [04:20] maybe 3 [04:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:20] Zordrak: i think you have been fed alot of misinformation about slapt-get [04:20] and/or are confusing it for swaret [04:20] nope [04:21] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:21] so you know the following: 1) it doesnt do any dependancy checks with official packages 2) it uses pkgtools for everything it does 3) it tracks official sources [04:21] ? [04:21] <[MA]Amine_> SiegeX: wooow, he is never here so :S [04:22] SiegeX: superceded by slackpkg [04:22] not even close, slackpkg's api looks like slapt-get in its early years [04:23] but, im all for slackpkg too [04:23] so whatever api you prefer is all good [04:23] i just find it serves a redundant purpose [04:24] s/it/slackpkg =) [04:24] it does have the additonal feature of not being locked down to only official packages [04:24] which one does Pat like enough to include? [04:25] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:25] which is for the reason I just stated [04:25] Zordrak, that argument is pretty terrible. [04:25] he has no interest in supporting custom packages [04:25] SiegeX: thats part of the problem though [04:25] Pat also doesn't include all kinds of other fabulous apps [04:26] not that he should [04:26] or part of the solution if you custom build your own stuff [04:26] SiegeX, I'm using KDE4, and slapt-get seems to be downloading kde3.5 ? [04:26] if it's not part of slack you should be making your own pkg [04:26] i'm just throwing that out there as grounds for debunking your argument that not being included means that slapt-get is worse [04:27] & if you need THAT automated.. then sbopkg [04:27] Zordrak: what makes you think it cant be used for that either [04:27] talk to Old, he has his own custom repo of like 600+ packages [04:27] bah! [04:27] IntangibleLiquid: cat /etc/slackware-version [04:27] Action: Zordrak waves paw [04:28] dogbert stylee [04:28] SiegeX, 12.2.0 :) [04:28] IntangibleLiquid: well, since KDE4 doesnt come with 12.2, and you are trying to mirror 12.2, its going to say screw you to your custom installed package [04:28] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:29] SiegeX, lol, so what to do? [04:29] IntangibleLiquid: where did you get KDE4 from OOC? [04:29] please dont say linuxpackages [04:29] SiegeX, from an australian repo on slackware.com [04:29] <[MA]Amine_> SiegeX: what is your best desktop environment ? [04:30] [MA]Amine: I don't use X, so Im not the person to ask =) [04:30] linuxpackages or not it's still built by someone else [04:30] [MA]Amine_: fluxbox [04:30] [MA]Amine_: if you really need one [04:31] I'm on LXDE, pretty light and nice :) [04:31] <[MA]Amine_> Zordrak: ok [04:31] though Enlightenment is worth the try if you ask m [04:31] IntangibleLiquid: well, i suggest you only trust packages from slackbuilds.org from now on. But since we dont want to go breaking something that seems to work, just edit your slapt-getrc file, and tack on ^kde.* to the EXCLUDE list [04:32] SiegeX, understood [04:32] make sure you put a comma between ^kde.* and the last entry [04:32] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:32] SiegeX: i suggest you only trust packages from slackbuilds.org -- what pkgs? [04:33] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [04:33] whatever packages he wants to install that are not in slackware proper or he didnt make himself [04:33] i mean: SBo doesnt provide pkgs [04:33] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] <[MA]Amine_> but dudes the big question for me is still : Why slackware has no Advanced Packaging Tool Like others distribution, it's not a good issue in security ! [04:34] [MA]Amine_: Go google [04:34] [MA]Amine_, it's only a security issue if you go around randomly building garbage that you don't know anything about [04:34] [MA]Amine_: The reasons are WELL documented [04:34] [MA]Amine_: it does, slackpkg or slapt-get. Thats what we've been discussing for the last 10min or so [04:35] otherwise it's more secure. [04:35] <[MA]Amine_> Zordrak: give me just a few words [04:35] or at least i have [04:35] <[MA]Amine_> I see [04:35] [MA]Amine_: Your argument suggests Windows is secure & therefore is flawed [04:36] <[MA]Amine_> Zordrak: no never, I talked about other linux distro [04:37] your talking about a priniple of managed software repos [04:37] since slackpkg is now official, we really should have a script in cron.daily similar to the one I wrote for slapt-get that has the facility to email you about updates or toss it into your local mail bin [04:37] s/r/'re/ [04:37] <[MA]Amine_> and you don't think that it's fastidious to do updating by hand ? [04:37] Action: SiegeX does [04:38] slapt-get --update, done son [04:38] make that --upgrade [04:38] <[MA]Amine_> SiegeX: ahh it's cool so [04:38] [MA]Amine_: google: slackware patches slackpkg [04:38] slackpkg update-all [04:38] i think it's called [04:38] or that ^^^ [04:38] hiptobecubic++ [04:38] siegex+=2 [04:39] one important thing about slackpkg over slapt-get is that you compile the binary yourself, so you know that it's not tainted. [04:39] how about that [04:39] hiptobecubic: thats sbopkg [04:39] free($SiegeX); [04:39] not slackpkg [04:39] sorry, meant sbopkg [04:39] dios_mio (i=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [04:39] and if you point either slackpkg or slapt-get to an official slackware mirror, that ought to put the fears to rest [04:40] siegex = malloc(sizeof(Zordak's ego)) [04:40] SiegeX, things seem to be fine now, I also excluded qt and amarok :) [04:40] [MA]Amine_: So in short.. go do some research [04:41] <[MA]Amine_> oh thank you guys [04:41] I resent the suggestion I'm egotistical though [04:41] <[MA]Amine_> Zordrak: I will do it now [04:41] Zordrak: you're right, that was my bad [04:41] hatred for auto-tools? [04:42] not hatred exactly [04:42] and not because they are auto [04:43] mostly anything related to installation of a pkg created by a 3rd party [04:43] [MA]Amine_, this may be too basic, but there you go http://slackbasics.org/html/chap-pkgmgmt.html [04:43] but that has nothing to do with slapt-get. It comes by default pointed to an official 12.2 mirror [04:44] if it didnt get released by Pat and I didnt comple it.. it shouldn't be on my system [04:44] ya it can be used for non-official, but hell thats their prerogative if they choose to do that, im not going to blame the tool [04:44] well, you can compile slapt-get, it comes in tarball form [04:45] I guess it's cause it's so often the method used by people getting from 3rd party repos [04:45] <[MA]Amine_> IntangibleLiquid: thank you bro [04:46] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) joined ##slackware. [04:47] well if it makes you sleep any better, ive never helped anybody point slapt-get to anything but official mirrors [04:48] thats def good [04:48] oh well, as long as it works for me, i don't care. when it doesn't, i'll move to something else until it does [04:48] and I always mention slackpkg being another official option, but of course I also give my opinion that I think slapt-get has the better interface [04:49] to be honest, i wish Piterpunk forked slapt-get, im not quite sure why that didnt happen, im pretty sure slapt-get was pretty stable by the time slackpkg came to fruition [04:50] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:50] ROFL!!! [04:50] re my earlier thoughts on Windows 7 [04:50] look at todays xkcd [04:50] IntangibleLiquid: if you are going to use it to --dist-upgrade, just know that it does not alleviate you from closely following UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [04:51] Action: SiegeX looks [04:51] haha, that is some good shit right there [04:53] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:01] schenkel (n=schenkel@187.4.24.92) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:05] pip (n=pip@219.140.54.184) joined ##slackware. [05:05] c0nflict (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:08] It was yet another humorless xkcd comic. [05:09] bah! [05:09] Action: Zordrak waves paw [05:10] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:11] Reaver_11 (n=m@193.108.254.83) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [05:16] anyone know where the virtualbox config files are stored ? [05:17] ok, ~/.VirtualBox , I had tried with lowercase letters [05:18] Glad I could help. [05:20] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.24.52) joined ##slackware. [05:21] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [05:22] muxer_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:23] oh, my computer's dead :) [05:23] bash: /bin/mount: Input/output error [05:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:24] ouch [05:25] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl66-80.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "http://v4nelle.wordpress.com" [05:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl66-80.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:26] so I was wondering : have my last messages arrived or was my computer already too dead ? [05:26] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.24.52) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [05:26] 10:23:25 < Camarade_Tux> oh, my computer's dead :) [05:26] 10:23:41 < Camarade_Tux> bash: /bin/mount: Input/output error [05:26] crap, that kernel has serious problems [05:27] yep and it just happened [05:27] again [05:27] nille_ (i=1000@c-5261e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:27] jon_snow (n=jon_snow@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) joined ##slackware. [05:27] I'll quit when xchat tries to write its backlog... [05:27] disk diags time! [05:27] it seems to be firefox's fault >< [05:27] no, not disk diag, I just upgraded my kernel [05:27] ah [05:27] and am getting several warnings at boot time [05:27] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.24.52) joined ##slackware. [05:28] I had some work to do so I wanted to actually do that work before reporting but it seems it won't be possible... [05:28] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7b41b7cf4f47b97d) joined ##slackware. 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[05:33] =) [05:33] actually the problem was with stk11xx, an out-of-tree kernel module for my webcam which I hadn't recompiled or updated along with my kernel upgrade [05:33] (.28 but actually a git) [05:33] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] I removed it thinking one or two things could improve but actually all my problems were solve [05:34] d [05:34] no more disk errors [05:34] I can use nouveau and don't have to fallback on nv [05:34] virtualbox starts [05:34] Hi. When I try to boot from a bootable Slackware 12.0 DVD, the system hangs on "Serial tty......" I have an ATI chipset board, with AMD Athlon 64 ... I was using Slackware happily on my PIII for the last 2.5 years...but now... any idea? [05:34] the sun shines, no clouds visible and there is snow outside \o/ [05:35] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [05:36] y0 [05:36] no work, no school [05:36] :D [05:36] Action: slackytude is a happy slacker [05:36] hi slackytude :) [05:36] no school either, but work ;) [05:37] y0 Camarade_Tux [05:37] gotta work monday [05:37] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.25.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:37] hows the weather in paris? [05:38] got -12 C on tuesday [05:38] getting a bit warmer now, just -8 C [05:38] wow [05:39] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) joined ##slackware. [05:39] Action: Zordrak isn't.. Dead network meant 6am start.. sick cat needs to go to vets, missed physiotherapy because of dead network & at 4pm theres an announcement which could range from "hey.. stuff's cool" to "you're all out of a job!" [05:39] yeah, I was freezing my ass off [05:39] Zordrak, ahh, one of those days [05:39] amd im STILL slow as shit on this dvorak keyboard [05:40] currently -36C with the windchill here. [05:41] slackytude, basically as cold, well warmer now and the weather is actually very good : shiny and cold enough so the snow stays but not too cold either :) [05:41] U2: try the 12.2 DVD? [05:41] wouldnt bother with a new keyboard layout while stuff was falling to pieces around me, tho [05:41] -36°C... [05:41] chopp, Moscow? [05:41] hmmm ok Zordrak [05:41] Edmonton, AB [05:42] slackytude: s'only for my IRC box [05:42] Camarade_Tux, yeah, nice weather. winter sun is nice, can even feel it somewhat [05:42] I bought Debian 4.0r5....it is working flawlessly.... 12.2 is not yet available in Pakistan. I'll have to wait I guess. [05:43] U2: if it's a buggy driver in the kernel it may be updated since 12.0 [05:43] O_o [05:43] "12.2 is not yet available in Pakistan." [05:43] wtfZ [05:43] it complains about my Clock I think when I used the debug option... [05:43] yeah ! [05:43] input/output error again \o/ [05:43] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:44] and xp running ina virtual machine, I think it won't survive :) [05:44] chopp, AB? [05:44] slackytude: Alberta, Canada [05:44] jon_snow (n=jon_snow@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) left ##slackware ("Átaremma i ëa han ëa"). [05:44] wow, it actually shut down properly :o [05:44] actually It is...I just checked....http://copyleft.com.pk/cgi-bin/eshop/agora.cgi?cart_id=9617318.11414*P12IC7&xm=on&product=Distributions [05:44] U2: you do know u're on the "INTER" "NET" rtght? [05:45] I know smart ass [05:45] but can't download [05:45] this is a public PC. I have dial up [05:45] maybe he is on a different internets, where the tubes are clogged [05:45] ohz [05:46] downloading dvd iso with a modem really makes you wanna cry [05:46] it does actually [05:46] Action: slackytude nods [05:46] U2: alternate option: [05:46] chopp, thats pretty cold [05:47] just DL the 12.2 hugesmp kernel & see if it boots [05:47] that makes sense Zordrak ... good idea [05:47] thanks :) [05:47] np [05:48] OR.. get someone to make a USB boot iwage from 12.2 & send it to you [05:48] slackytude: yes it is. I used to work outside in it, and didn't bother me too much. Now I don't like it so much. I must be getting old I guess. ;) [05:48] I think I'll soon be reporting my first kernel oops :) [05:48] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:50] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:51] argh, dead again [05:51] I can download the iso image :) I don't want to get used to any other distribution. All I know about Linux I learned from Slackware because it *makes* you learn stuff [05:51] and really quickly this time [05:51] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:51] then get going :) [05:52] U2: I hear ya, I wanted to watch TV tonight and Slackware said no =| [05:52] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:20] or Maggie [06:20] well, you see Jethro only once ;) [06:20] You mean Jebediah [06:21] although... could be the perfect time to use Lisa [06:21] A know-it-all who tells everyone what to do [06:21] I think his name was like Jebediah Jethro [...] [06:21] hehe :p [06:22] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.54.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] [Jebediah/Hans] [...] Obediah [Springfield/Sprungfeld] [06:23] Omega_Red_ (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) joined ##slackware. [06:23] ah [06:24] Jebediah Zacharia Obadiah Springfield [06:24] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [06:24] Jebediah Obadiah Zacharia Jenediah SpringfieldZ [06:25] hmmm, possible, that was a long time ago ='( [06:26] noone seems to agree on Jenediah vs. Jedediah [06:26] nm [06:26] Lisa it is [06:27] is there anyway to save what is already on tty1 - tty6? i want to capture the display of a ncurse application [06:27] IF I can easily use Slack as a primary YP server [06:28] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:28] usus12jari, I know there are console screenshot programs but I don't know for capturing text [06:30] mindbndr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) joined ##slackware. [06:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:30] Camarade_Tux: console screnshot, like import? that requires X [06:32] no, scr2png and vidcontrol : install scr2png and then [06:32] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:32] vidcontrol -p < /dev/ttyv0 | scr2png > shot.png [06:34] alright, googling it now... thanks for the info :) [06:35] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.175.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:36] Nick change: Omega_Red_ -> Omega_Red [06:38] dios_mio (i=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: [06:38] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [06:38] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [06:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-51.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:41] Omega_Red_ (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) joined ##slackware. [06:41] Omega_Red_ (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:42] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Camarade_Tux: is vidcontrol included in scr2png ? can't find source tarball for vidcontrol [06:43] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:43] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [06:45] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) joined ##slackware. [06:45] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.173.48) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:46] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:47] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:47] usus12jari, it seems to actually be (free)bsd [06:51] vid control IS fbsd's vid control tool [06:52] is there any other program like that for non BSD ? [06:53] not that *I* know of [06:53] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-228-226.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:53] personally have always wanted to be able to easily echo a TTY [06:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [06:57] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [07:05] Nick change: rworkman_ -> rworkman [07:06] Qbee (i=q-b-e@dynamic-78-8-116-52.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:06] Qbee (i=q-b-e@dynamic-78-8-116-52.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left ##slackware. [07:10] mindbndr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:11] szymon_g (n=szymon@94-192-155-58.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:11] hi [07:12] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:15] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [07:20] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] hey guys [07:22] hi Buggaboo [07:22] My xchat has been randomly highlighting random nicks since the version 12.2 upgrape. [07:22] Is this some new "feature"? [07:23] I haven't changed my settings. [07:23] Anyways, it keeps triggering that I got a message, which isn't the case 99% of the time. [07:25] anyone got the same problem? [07:27] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [07:30] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [07:35] can you check this screenshot and tell me the problem please? in webpages some images dont appear [07:35] http://e.imagehost.org/0557/screenshot.png [07:36] check for instance how the youtube logo and other yellow colors around "upload" button etc dont appear [07:39] another screenshot: http://e.imagehost.org/view/0899/screenshot2 [07:40] shitty connection , bad proxy , bad dns... [07:40] shuold be something along this lines [07:40] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.24.52) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [07:40] hmm [07:40] dios_mio, I know it sounds weird but what is your graphic card ? [07:41] Geforce2 Mx/Mx 400 [07:41] and you are using the nv driver ? [07:41] no.. this is a fresh slack install [07:42] so vesa ? [07:42] (nv is not nvidia's official kernel) [07:43] I dont... all I know is I did a X -configure before starting X [07:43] could that be it? [07:43] let me paste my xorg.conf somewhere [07:44] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:44] I too have an nvidia card and when I use the 'nv' driver, some images doesn't get properly displayed (those that have to be redimensionned afaict) [07:44] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-51.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:44] xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/d1b740ab7 [07:44] yeah, Driver "nv" [07:45] yes [07:45] you could try nouveau : http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ [07:45] so thats the problem [07:45] thanks [07:45] it's not straight-forward but it shouldn't be too hard [07:45] or perhaps should I switch back to vesa? [07:45] you can try that too [07:46] why don't you just do what you have to do anyway? : install the nvidia driver [07:46] i did an X -configure just so i wouldnt have to configure the mouse wheel myself [07:46] I don't use vesa because I don't have a standard scren resolution (I have a wide screen) and vesa doesn't handle that afaik [07:46] Kaapa, yeah but now I will need to install the kernel source first [07:46] install the kernel source? [07:46] didn't you do a full install? [07:46] Kaapa, nvidia's driver sucks, and ... oh, does it support a geforce2 AND a recent kernel ? [07:47] yeah nvidia driver compiles 9its own stuff using kernel headers [07:47] Kaapa, the nouvea stuff isnt too bad. for an old card like this, it might be better than the official nvida driver [07:47] Kaapa, no, didnt install kernel source [07:47] I use nvidia for a long time and it just works [07:47] dios_mio, you'll need that too for nouveau btw, it compiles a new kernel module (but you should read the doc on nouveau's website) [07:47] and never had problems with recent kernels, they do a great job in keeping it up to date [07:47] dios_mio: you should just do a full install :p [07:47] but nvidia drops support for older cards and since the kernel evolves, woooooops [07:48] brb [07:48] sam_albuquerque (n=sam@gauntlet.oregan.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Camarade_Tux: they have several branches. My card is a GeForce FX 5200 and it still works [07:49] you just need to pay attention and d/l the correct version [07:49] hi guys. anyone here used a Tablet with Slackware? need help with calibrating the pointer [07:49] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:49] Kaapa, but I can assure you kernels > 2.6.28 will need new versions... [07:49] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.24.52) joined ##slackware. [07:50] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.24.52) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:50] and I am *sure* a geforce2 won't be supported [07:50] btw, anyone seen ronin lately ? (the only one I know who uses a tablet) [07:50] well, let's wait and see. I'm glad there's alternatives anyway [07:50] geforece2 nvidia drivers worked for me on 12.1. but if they continue that after 2.6.28 is up to anyones guess [07:51] I will just convert back to vesa [07:51] no glxgears for you [07:51] Camarade_Tux, I tried installing the Nvidia driver for my card with slackware before.. it didnt work then, but it worked when I tried it with debian last week [07:52] slackytude, what is that? [07:52] welll till ronin comes back then, any hints i can get? [07:52] if you have to ask, you wont care anyway [07:52] good :) [07:52] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: "Leaving" [07:52] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:52] hey.. be thankful it's not ATI drivers :) [07:52] nivida always worked great for me [07:53] but AMD released a lof of stuff for ati cards, so they might be the better choice in the future [07:53] nvidia's drivers have their one caveats [07:53] ati works great on my laptop [07:53] even the external vga adaptor works as a charm [07:54] projection in meetings \o/ [07:54] Kaapa: try using it dual-head, with Xinerama (or Xrandr) for a big desktop with two monitors of different sizes when one supports DDC and the other doesn't [07:54] gosh, everybody is working but me [07:55] overrides for DDC don't work, and the driver tends to mix up the inputs and limit the modes of the DDC-incompatible monitor to the set of modes returned by the DDC-compatible monitor [07:55] guess I should be doing something [07:55] lol [07:55] I've got a shitty nvidia card in right now. [07:55] AbortRetryFail: I'm happy in not making a foul of myself when a client asks me to use his projector [07:55] just a hint: if you remove nvidia's drivers: reinstall X [07:55] Kaapa: it works fine with clone-mode [07:55] huh? [07:55] no need for that [07:56] no need if you use the slackbuild [07:56] but if you use the executable installer from nvidia' [07:56] it overwrites some of the GL libs [07:56] there is nvidia remove [07:56] there's a slackbuild for that? [07:56] slackbuilds.org has one [07:56] it works great. [07:56] supports diferent versions? [07:56] yeah [07:56] slackytude: that wrecked X on my 12.1 box [07:57] i had to reinstall the packages from the disc [07:57] that worked for me [07:57] [MA]Amine_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:57] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.254.185) joined ##slackware. [07:57] and it did so back with slack 10 [07:58] anyone want to test out a console organiser/calendar/todo app? [07:58] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts [07:59] bo-1.0.0-tar.gz [07:59] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [07:59] beg pardon [07:59] bashorganiser-1.0.0-tar.gz [07:59] its very simple [07:59] kama (n=kama@host242-36-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:00] sam_albuquerque (n=sam@gauntlet.oregan.net) left ##slackware. [08:00] what could be the reason for this error about my fluxbox config file is missing, and it gives me a list of items that it couldnt find and went to default after I close X? was that caused by X-configure too? [08:00] what does it do? [08:00] console organiser/calendar/todo app [08:00] kama (n=kama@host242-36-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] zaemis (n=tboroncz@cpe-74-67-192-4.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:01] screenshot? [08:02] ok i can do one - lemme boot up x [08:03] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: Client Quit [08:05] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.41.245) joined ##slackware. [08:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [08:06] Action: slackytude eats ppizza [08:06] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:07] I guess I could take the dog for a walk [08:08] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) joined ##slackware. [08:08] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [08:09] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:09] woah huge x freeze up on exit [08:09] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/bo.png [08:09] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:10] Nick change: dive^ -> dive [08:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:11] hello, I want to do a setup like this -> put 5 slackware boxes running apache + other apps. Only te 1st slack server is on a public domain, the other 4 are behind NAT. How to redirect web pages from a NAT'ed server for usrs on the www? Kindly advise where to get started? [08:11] hehe, the nicest part I had was when I would quit X and keep the image in console, I could have a wallpaper on my console ;p [08:11] lol nice [08:12] always wondered.. why is rc.pcmcia emabled by default? [08:12] dive, and it looks really sexy ;p [08:12] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:12] Zordrak, you are prompted to select/deselect services during setup [08:12] be nice is there was some way to do that with frame buffer [08:12] jescis_ (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] trans fb console [08:12] jescis_ (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:14] slackytude: of course.. i just wonder why the default selection has pcmcia enabled [08:14] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [08:14] NVIDIA driver would copmile its module on debian, but it wont on slackware.. must be because of different kernels? [08:15] dios_mio, never had problems with nvidia + slack [08:15] slackytude, thats my first c++ program. Made it a few years back :) [08:15] dive, its nice looking [08:16] dive, not much use for it tho [08:16] thanks - oh well [08:16] it's useful if you are working in the console a lot and need one [08:17] which is why I made it - not much choice when it comes to calendars that any sort of function [08:17] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: Client Quit [08:17] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] now i should make one based on ddate ;) [08:19] dios_mio, which kernel are you using? [08:20] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) joined ##slackware. [08:20] mwen (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) joined ##slackware. [08:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [08:21] mwen (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) left irc: Client Quit [08:22] when dios_mio comes back, I'd need to know the error as in /var/log/nvidia-installer.log [08:22] Action: slackytude nods [08:22] *if* he comes back [08:23] he already came back several times ;p [08:23] and if he doesn't, well, he can use irssi in console ;) [08:24] there are OTHER ways?? [08:25] kannan, just pulling soething out of my sleeve here, but I guess you could do some sort of round robin with iptables [08:26] kannan, http://cormander.com/blog/2008/05/round-robin-balancing-with-iptables/ [08:26] slackytude , thanks [08:26] crudo (n=0xdead@189-87-68-209.rec.megazon.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:26] kannan: OpenWRT I think is the backbone of that [08:26] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:27] kannan, you could do the same with a proxy like squid or via dns and whatnot [08:27] Reaver_11 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:28] slackytude , thanks again. i am looking to squid [08:28] Zordrak, thanks [08:29] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [08:30] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-104.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:31] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:36] _chess_: props on the Queue & Build+Install options [08:39] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) joined ##slackware. [08:42] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [08:43] yes... thats awesome [08:43] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:44] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [08:44] slackytude, well, it see... he did :p [08:44] when dios_mio comes back, I'd need to know the error as in /var/log/nvidia-installer.log [08:44] heh [08:44] zaemis (n=tboroncz@cpe-74-67-192-4.twcny.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [08:44] I installed Openbox... how can I make it my default WM ? xwmconfig doesnt see it [08:45] what about your nvidia problem? [08:45] slackytude: mine? well it is the same, no progress.. Nvidia driver failed to compile a module [08:45] dios_mio, you need a xinitrc.openbox in /etc/X11/xinit for it to be seen [08:45] ok [08:46] dios_mio, paste your nvidia og then [08:46] your log, too [08:46] ok hold on plz [08:46] dios_mio, we'd need the /var/log/nvidia-installer.log file [08:46] Action: Camarade_Tux hopes dios_mio doesn't paste directly in the channel ^^ [08:47] comp_ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:47] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:47] <_chess_> Zordrak: thanks! and there are some good updates to that in SVN. the queue can be resorted, which is helpful I think. [08:49] dios2 (n=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [08:49] http://pastebin.com/d398518b4 [08:49] dios2 (n=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: Client Quit [08:50] thats the link [08:51] it seems you need to use at least version 173.14.15 [08:51] _chess_: fantastic...I was going to make queue resorting a feature request! [08:51] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [08:52] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Camarade_Tux: for Nvidia drivers? [08:53] dios_mio, yes [08:53] yes [08:53] hmm.. it is the only one the nvidia.com gave me :/ [08:53] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:54] strange thing is it worked last week on debian [08:54] I suspect it is about different kernel versions [08:55] dios_mio, yes, kernel's api has changed and nvidia decided not to support drivers for your card anymore [08:55] debian's kernel must be older..? [08:55] and if you complain, their answer would be you should buy a newer card, go guess why they don't support drivers for that long ;p [08:55] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/windows_7.png [08:55] <_chess_> SpacePlod: it can now be reversed or each individual item can be moved up or down, so you can essentially resort however you want [08:56] dios_mio, yes, 2.6.27 is recent, less than two months old I guess [08:56] input/output error again \o/ [08:56] Action: Camarade_Tux reboots and see you soon :) [08:57] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:57] _chess_: great. I was installing ffmpeg and some dvd tools and I kept having to go back and add packages that I'd already looked at...I thought "gee it would be great to be able to add and then resort". You're mind reading skills are excellent. [08:58] crudo (n=0xdead@189-87-68-209.rec.megazon.com.br) left ##slackware. [08:58] s/you're/your [08:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-51.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:58] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:58] <_chess_> SpacePlod: *grin* I was just doing the same thing with ffmpeg :-) I mentioned my desire to have this feature to Mauro Giachero and he sent me a patch so the thanks goes to him. [08:59] \o/ again [08:59] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:00] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:00] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:00] Camarade_Tux, having fun? [09:01] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [09:01] slackytude, yeah, my kernel keeps on crashing since I upgraded it this morning [09:01] Action: SpacePlod applauds Mauro [09:01] great [09:01] it might also be the disk failing however [09:02] even better [09:02] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [09:02] I think the problem is it's .29-git, not even rc1 so I'll use the 12.2 stock kernel and stress the computer to check [09:02] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) joined ##slackware. [09:02] but only later on today [09:04] what's the benefit in using a git kernel? [09:04] having random crashed [09:04] lol [09:05] comp_ (n=comp_@h219-110-127-176.catv02.itscom.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [09:07] no, I usually use the -rc>5 but wanted to upgrade from .28-rc9 to .28 and in fact upgraded to .29-not-yet-anything so I upgraded again for having a working virtualbox and, and... :'( [09:07] who uses openbox? [09:08] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:09] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [09:09] Camarade_Tux, omg :) suppose you'll have to downgrade now [09:09] slava_dp, yeah, I installed slack 12.2's kernel [09:13] I admire you guys [09:13] Kaapa, why ? for being irresponsible ? :p [09:13] I don't know how you have the pacience to follow all those minor.minor.minor-rc releases [09:13] Kaapa, no, it's just for the fun [09:13] after some years of kernel compile, I just use stock kernels [09:14] I take that back [09:14] yeah, crashed again \o/ [09:14] I admire you guys. I wished I had that free time [09:14] :) [09:14] bash-3.1# sync [09:14] bash: sync: command not found [09:14] :-D [09:14] it's *always* triggered by firefox, that program is such a hog it stresses every part of the hardware >< [09:15] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:15] well, another reboot with Alt+PrintScreen+b :) [09:15] brb [09:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:15] alt+printscreen+b ? [09:15] wtf [09:16] kernel sysrq command [09:16] i used to remember them [09:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [09:17] plus, with stock kernel, it will take me ages to boot ='( [09:17] I thought it was AltGr [09:18] I use Alt [09:18] and I can confirm it works ;p [09:18] I tried it about 100 times today (with ssssssssuuuuuuuub) [09:18] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) joined ##slackware. [09:19] infotek411 (i=8096@shell.datasync.com) left irc: "wow." [09:19] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:20] hate t it in the evening that Internet connection becomes crappy [09:22] just kill everybody :) [09:23] Camarade_Tux, i realize they want to kill me as much as i do [09:23] Nick change: [MA]Amine -> [MA]Macchiavelli [09:23] so kill them before they kill you ;) [09:23] well, time for another reboot :) [09:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:23] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@AMontsouris-158-1-64-146.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:25] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:26] right [09:26] time to go shopping for a new keyboard [09:26] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] microsoft ergnomoic 4000 :D [09:27] well, :) [09:27] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Anyone tried windows 7 ? [09:27] it seems it was the kernel's fault [09:28] and have to go [09:28] pip: yes [09:28] lol [09:28] don't care for it much [09:28] pip, I used to use NT4, didn't like it [09:28] [MA]Macchiavelli (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [09:28] how can I change the governor in stock 12.2 kernel ? I'd like to use ondemand, not performance [09:29] Windows Vista with a new UI, slightly less annoying UAC, and maybe a 5% speed boost [09:29] pip, you were on #ocaml yesterday, right ? [09:29] Yeah, I know you guys don't like them, that's why we are here [09:29] Yes, I was [09:29] Action: Camarade_Tux has nothing against windows, I just prefer slackware :) [09:29] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.251.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:30] pip, you left just before I sent my answer : ocaml programs are usually very fast, roughly the same as C (the goal is to be less than 2x slower) [09:31] lol [09:31] camarade_tux: just 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' [09:31] ktabic, that's what I used to do but now I don't have that 'file' anymore [09:31] :P [09:31] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:32] then cpufreq isn't modprobed? [09:32] but that's not very important, I just wanted to spare some noise while I'm not even there [09:32] oh, yeah possible [09:33] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs ktabic [09:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.20) joined ##slackware. [09:34] I have nothing against Windows, in particular [09:34] it was in a module :) it's been month I haven't used slackware's kernel (and am not using slack's rc.modules files as I change kernel between reboots) [09:34] is there an official beta already? [09:35] was released yesterday, I believe [09:35] its on MSDN now [09:35] ok [09:35] slackytude, it's an offical one, but not available for everybody afaik [09:35] well, gonna test it on monday, then [09:35] so you'll need to torrent it :P [09:35] a public beta is supposed to be released later this month, iirc [09:35] Camarade_Tux, well, static languages are averagely fast [09:36] got MSDN access [09:36] usually^ [09:36] foldingstock, how is it? [09:36] slackytude: basically, Vista SP2 with a new ui [09:36] its decent [09:36] but not 30% faster as all the reviews claim [09:36] well, good [09:37] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:37] maybe 5-10% faster [09:37] uac is less annoying [09:37] less trouble there is with it, less annoyed customers I ge [09:37] the new UI looks a lot like KDE4, I don't like either personally [09:37] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [09:37] foldingstock: uh.. [09:37] Win7 is more like Vista than XP [09:37] By a LONG shot [09:37] Windows 7 ui looks identical to KDE4 [09:37] Exept..for the Windows logo.. [09:38] lol [09:38] yeah [09:38] and all the icons.. [09:38] and the start menu.. [09:38] heh [09:38] start menu is basically the same, actually [09:38] Not really [09:38] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:38] I don't know what KDE4 you're using.. [09:38] pip, yeah, the other advantage is that it's terribly stable and safe which should make it ideal for web-apps, did I mention http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7oif5/standalone_web_applications_using_ocaml_ocsigen/ ? ;) [09:38] straterra: its close enough that my gf didn't know the difference ;) [09:39] Then..your GF isn't observant [09:39] Camarade_Tux, no, you didn't [09:39] as is the case with most computer users [09:39] Camarade_Tux, that's so nice then [09:39] anyway, just saying, I don't care for KDE4's look and I don't care for W7's look [09:39] the french really like ocalm [09:39] they're too similar [09:39] put it in their nuclear reactors [09:39] W7 is pretty similar to Vista in terms of UI [09:39] internet feels so much slower since I started using 12.2's stock kernel :'( [09:40] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.82.84) joined ##slackware. [09:40] slackytude, and in planes ;) [09:40] yeah ^-^ [09:40] straterra: agreed [09:40] I found vistas UI just annoying. especially in the explorer [09:40] but then I use xfce [09:41] I like the new explorer [09:41] It takes getting used to..but so does anything that is different than what you know [09:41] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.82.84) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:41] its easier/faster to navigate [09:41] win7 explorer or vista? [09:41] or are they the same? [09:41] they're the same [09:42] win7's main UI change from vista is the taskbar [09:42] everything else is about the same [09:42] yeah, heard about the taskbar [09:42] its good then? [09:42] the taskbar looks like KDE4, that's what I was saying earlier ;) [09:42] heh [09:42] if you like it, then its great [09:42] I like the classic windows look better though [09:42] oh well [09:42] uses less resources too :) [09:43] I'll stay with Vista [09:43] I see NO real reason to switch [09:43] gonna see it soon enough anyway [09:43] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:43] Camarade_Tux, And it's easy to learn as well [09:43] just hope our app runs on it [09:44] would be bad if it doesnt [09:45] I thought KDE has been deriving some elements from Windows UI [09:45] uhhh no [09:46] if anything Windows pulls from KDE more often than not [09:46] or Gnome.. or fluxbox etc etc.. you get the picture [09:47] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Well..all GUI's are a ripoff from Xerox's originally..so.. [09:48] even ratpoison stole the idea from screen [09:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.199) joined ##slackware. [09:49] straterra: that was xerox's fault [09:49] and it wasn't a ripoff when you find the stuff in the trash ;) [09:49] Lies [09:49] nope [09:49] atch pirates of silicon valley.. steve jobs even admits it :P [09:50] I have [09:50] its still a rip off [09:50] heh [09:50] yeah.. ok [09:50] If you throw your car away.. and nothing wrong with it.. thens omeone else "takes it" then didn't rip it off.. [09:50] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.82.84) joined ##slackware. [09:51] thats different as a car isnt an idea [09:51] its a tangible object [09:51] morning straterra and Dominian ( and anyone else that is lookin ) [09:51] dtanner: morning [09:51] straterra: as far as I'm concerned.. Xerox fucked themsevles.. no one fucked them. [09:52] Perhaps [09:52] But its still their idea [09:52] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] thats why theyre manufacturing printer paper today [09:52] straterra: *shrugs* not my problem [09:52] No, its not [09:53] palo alto had lots of good ideas, xerox was just crap at taking advantage of any of them [09:53] straterra: all GUI's may be a ripoff of xerox...but xerox's ui really sucked tbh [09:53] Perhaps [09:53] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.46.123) joined ##slackware. [09:53] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.82.84) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:53] foldingstock: they actually came up with the "mouse" and point and click hehe [09:53] yeah, I know [09:53] and wysiwyg editors [09:53] but have you ever looked at the xerox star? [09:53] it was terrible [09:53] haha yeah I remember it [09:54] i was wondering which frontend you guys use for bittorrent,. What is the top 2 or 3 used gui clients for bittorent? I have not been online in almost a year . I have "vuze" and of course the gui that comes with bittorrent already , just curious which one everyone is liking the most, or is the the better ones [09:54] may have been terrible.. but apple was smart to take the idea and run with it [09:54] dtanner: ktorrent for me [09:54] rtorrent for me [09:54] ktorrent at home + it's web interface for remote management from elsewhere [09:54] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:54] Azureus is popular [09:54] slava_dp: ktorrent has a web ui? [09:54] rtorrent + screen + ssh = remote management for me :) [09:55] slava_dp, ktorrent has a web gui? [09:55] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejl10.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:55] slava_dp: jinx [09:55] er.. slackytude jinx [09:55] Dominian, yep, look in plugins [09:55] heh [09:55] straterra: yeah , they have renamed it to "vuze" in the newer versions and I am running it now [09:55] slava_dp: no way.. that's interesting. [09:55] Gotcha [09:55] yeah, it is [09:55] ktorrent really improved a lot [09:55] aye [09:55] it used to be crap [09:55] when you are 'torrenting', you can see what client your other peers are using too [09:56] http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=55 [09:56] if you press play here [09:56] tank-man: hmm , thanks for reminding me of that. [09:56] does it d/l for u ? or does it launch normally [09:56] rtorrent is a win for me because running it in screen just plain rocks [09:56] rk4n3: ^5 [09:56] I also am looking at a long list of clients I just found [09:57] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: "leaving" [09:57] rk4n3: I run rtorrent on my VPS when I'm doing torrent seeding [09:57] foldingstock: ^5 ? [09:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:57] hmmm rtorrent, sounds good , no need for X [09:57] Dominian: sweet [09:57] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.254.185) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:57] rk4n3: In fact.. Me and the guys at slackbuilds.org were torrent seeding 12.2 stuff for Slackware for quite a while lol [09:57] What's that signup-only torrent website? [09:57] I need some pointy/clicky for my gf and children because i want to keep them using linux ( i have them using slackware about 50% of th time now. [09:57] straterra: microsoft.com [09:58] rtorrent is supposed to be faster than others [09:58] No.. [09:58] rk4n3: ^5 = high five [09:58] qartis (n=qartis@218.109.149.196) left ##slackware. [09:58] dtanner: nice [09:58] foldingstock: aha - I learned something today :) [09:58] My wife and I just bought Sims 'Urbs for Xbox yestetrday :) [09:58] for 4.99! [09:58] so far Vuze ( formerly azureus ) looks good for poity clicky =0 [09:58] hehe [09:58] its java [09:58] dtanner: I use frostwire.. dunno ifi t does torrents.. but it is p2p [09:59] not that I recommend it, but I believe LimeWire has integrated bittorrent support now [09:59] frostwire ist he opensource version of limewire pro from my understanding. [09:59] so does ktorrent (with web front end) requie an X running? [09:59] frostwire = limewire != torrent [09:59] slackytude: I think it does torrenting now [09:59] Dominian, O_o [09:59] oh well [09:59] http://torrentfreak.com/frostwire-adds-bittorrent-support/ [09:59] BOOyah! [09:59] :) [10:00] lol [10:00] LimeWire definitely does torrents now - I just did it on my daughter's PC last weekend [10:00] They added bittorren support in.. 2006 lol [10:00] Dominian: ^5 [10:00] lol [10:00] ^5 in bed [10:00] my wife LOVES frostwire [10:00] so limewire/frostwire is p2p ( !=torrent ) gnutella I think is one netword it uses [10:00] my wife LOVES frostwire [ in bed ] [10:00] heh [10:00] http://xkcd.org/528/ [10:01] http://www.java4k.com/index.php?action=games&method=view&gid=55 [10:01] heh, saw that [10:01] if u press play, does it launch normally ? or asks to download for you [10:01] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.82.84) joined ##slackware. [10:01] my java seems to be fine :-/ [10:01] no idea whats the problem [10:01] LOL (xkcd/528) [10:02] qneo (n=Miranda@adsl-dyn209.78-99-9.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:02] mwendi (n=ledre@120.161.82.84) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [10:02] FUD [10:02] lmao, that was good [10:03] its only FUD if its intended to be taken seriously - its a joke, man :) [10:03] Action: muxer_ goes to forum :-/ [10:03] rk4n3: some people keep their panies in a wad and there is nothing that can be done about it [10:03] ie: some people cannot take jokes [10:04] haha - I don't know where I keep my panies ... what are those again ? [10:04] :) [10:04] panties* :) [10:04] hehe [10:05] aww man.... [10:05] dumb and off topic question I know, but how do I get the sound system in the taskbar (in KDE)? [10:05] know it was a tickbox somewhere but canny find it [10:05] #kde [10:06] yeah sorry [10:06] took a LOT out of generic kernel.. added only a tiny bit.... but managed to INCREASE the size by 300k :( [10:06] lol [10:06] no need to feel sorry. your changes for a good answer just are better in #kde [10:06] I take jokes fine..just tired of hearing about Vista being this big pile of shit [10:07] straterra, well it is a big one in fact [10:07] Action: Zordrak sucks at good kernel configs [10:07] Did you hear the one about Vista being a big pile of shit? [10:07] hehe just kidding [10:07] Not really [10:07] heh, you mean ME [10:07] straterra: then they should have put more work in to it before releasing it [10:07] They put a LOT of work in to it [10:07] And there are TONS of improvements over XP [10:08] It's not perfect..but nothing is. [10:08] Its expensive [10:08] it microsoft :P [10:08] Action: adrenaline prefers free [10:08] it wasn't even an improvement [10:08] Or donations [10:08] Atleast Windows didn't break CD burning three times in a row with new kernel releases [10:08] adrenaline: Linux isn't free [10:08] I have donated more to slackware than Microsoft [10:08] ktabic: Yes it was. How wasn't it? [10:08] straterra: that could be argued ;) [10:09] WHAT could be argued? [10:09] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.46.123) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [10:09] the comment you made about breaking cd burning [10:09] straterra has one of his bad tempes again [10:09] guys, stop talking about proprietary stuff! it sucks by definition. [10:09] i just wish people would notice that 7 is *worse* than Vista... they impoved the high profile flaws from vista so it seems better... but have made other stuff even worse! [10:09] I'm not in a bad mood [10:09] wait.... how is Linux not free ? [10:09] slava_dp: amen and ^5 [10:09] rk4n3: time and bandwidth costs [10:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.138) joined ##slackware. [10:10] have you ever compared run speeds between Xp and vista? how about disk access times, expecially with deleting stuff? [10:10] Zordrak: too much hype right now, wait until its released ;) [10:10] ah, in the "everything has a cost somewhere" sense... [10:10] ktabic: yes. Vista runs faster than XP on modern hardware [10:10] bollocks [10:10] As for file deletion, thats because XP reports a file deletion/copy is finished BEFORE it actually is [10:10] brand new, £2000 dell, made for vista [10:10] It doesn't keep the prompt up when the system is flushing from memory to disk [10:10] and at lesast twice as fast with XP [10:11] With what gauging this "twice as fast" remark? [10:11] Action: foldingstock watches straterra argue about how great Vista is in a #slackware channel [10:11] Action: foldingstock has now seen it all [10:11] Action: foldingstock can die happy [10:11] wth is the shadow group for? [10:11] Action: adrenaline is popping some popcorn [10:11] foldingstock: ##slackware != windows sucks [10:11] start up, opening docs, browsing network [10:11] Oh..so it SEEMS faster [10:11] straterra: I never said Windows sucks ;) [10:12] So there is LOTS of room for placebo effect [10:12] no, it is faster [10:12] foldingstock: never said you did [10:12] I bet more people don't use Microsoft in a slackware channel than do [10:12] straterra: its just funny, you aren't going to change your opinion and they aren't going to change theirs [10:12] Me for instance has no need for microsoft products [10:12] its a pointless debate over an OS that 50%+ people here avoid using [10:12] adrenaline: I somehow..doubt that [10:12] I do have a need for mac for my I-toys [10:12] can anyone tell me what is the shadow group for? [10:13] straterra, I have no windows or are you doubting something else? [10:13] a little debate over even difficult topics is good once in a while - that's how insights come to light [10:13] I bet more people here USE Windows than people that don't [10:13] Either at work..or libraries.. [10:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [10:13] # ls -l /etc/shadow ---->>> -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 596 2009-01-08 12:20 /etc/shadow [10:13] In the Slackware channel? [10:13] Or stuff they don't KNOW runs Windows..gas pumps.. [10:13] 08:11 < straterra> I bet more people here USE Windows than people that don't [10:13] drive through screens [10:13] I admin a mainly windows network [10:13] adrenaline: no, in bed ! [10:14] it has over 80% market share [10:14] no shit sherlock [10:14] rk4n3, lol [10:14] :) [10:14] You missunderstood me [10:14] Action: slackytude uses slack more often than windows [10:14] looks like i missed the fun [10:14] I said more people in #slackware probably do not use windows products than do [10:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:14] slava_dp: the group shadow. im basically wondering why rworkman added a patch so slock can be used only by root and members of the shadow group [10:14] we are not upgrading to vista, becuase comparisions with XP resulted in vista constantly being slow to respond [10:14] adrenaline: and I seriously doubt that [10:14] its a screenlocker [10:15] Maybe it is just me than [10:15] For the reasons I outlined above. [10:15] sahko: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Shadow-Password-HOWTO-2.html [10:15] I use slack exclusivly at home, and some slack and debian at work [10:15] adrenaline, when i go to work, they will put windows right through my throat [10:15] free beat of win7 today! im converting from slackware asap! [10:15] Well if I pump gas with a windows box I can't really control that, but I can control no microsoft in my house [10:15] foldingstock, that wasnt what he asked [10:15] sahko, to unlock you have to have a permission to read /etc/shadow. Passwords are stored there. [10:15] foldingstock: ah just by seeing the title it kind of makes sense. shadow, passwords.. [10:15] Well except for my xbox admittedly [10:16] slava_dp: ah yes thank you [10:16] slackytude: :P [10:16] I am sorry about that IntangibleLiquid [10:16] I get to use ubuntu at work [10:16] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [10:16] In fact that is what I am talking to you on [10:16] slackytude: that howto explains what it is, what its used for ;) [10:17] how do you set the idle time for screen blank and monitor standby if you are on console? [10:17] ktabic: Do you think Vista is a step backwards from XP in every way? [10:17] adrenaline, there's a little dirty trick, rk4n3 showed me, we have a Slax choice :) [10:17] foldingstock, yeah, just found it in the howto :P [10:17] IntangibleLiquid, sweet [10:17] IntangibleLiquid, there is also andlinux for windows check it out it is quite good [10:18] managing a win2003 box became a lot more fun with cygwin on it [10:18] nah, some of the interface is pretty good (better looking than XP default) [10:18] adrenaline, or i can negotiate, it depends on the nature of the job if they want me to be a windows full-timer [10:18] There are a TON of functional improvements [10:19] adrenaline, and seamless VBox can do the trick as well [10:19] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: "leaving" [10:19] straterra: aye, like the new Explorer [10:20] I remember a similar sentiment comparing Windows 2000 to Windows XP - for the longest time people cursed XP and swore never to upgrade to it, but after a while everyone settled down and it became obvious that there were quite a bit of improvements [10:20] and Ipv6 stack [10:20] dngr (n=dngr@pcd342166.netvigator.com) left irc: Excess Flood [10:20] the ipv6 stack in XP is the WORSE stack I've ever seen in my life for networking [10:20] rk4n3: I still prefer 2k to XP :) [10:20] xp was actually faster than 2000. can't say so 'bout vista. [10:20] Vista is faster than XP on modern hardware [10:21] foldingstock: so do I, but I'm not paid to maintain 2k [10:21] The threading engine is TONS better, as well as the memory management [10:21] ktabic: exactly [10:21] there's no doubt that M$ made some mistakes with Vista ... they're definitely coming out with W7 quickly [10:21] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) joined ##slackware. [10:21] W7 = Vista SP2 [10:22] yah, now people have paid tons of money to upgrade to vista and they'll be forced to spend again on w7. that's ridiculous. [10:22] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [10:22] M$ is ridiculous, that's what i think. [10:22] Also, the file syncronization and folder redirection in Vista is much more complete than in XP [10:22] those poor little suckers [10:22] slava_dp: I read that people buying Vista machines after June (may be wrong) of 2009 will receive a free W7 upgrade when W7 comes out [10:22] i find it totally ridiculous that such a company with so much money and talented programmers can have such Epic Fails (tm) [10:22] June or July, can't remember [10:22] they should call themselves Major Fail [10:23] thedlw (i=1005@pool-98-111-116-50.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:23] foldingstock, thats true from some OEMs not all of them [10:23] 80% market share is fail? [10:23] Shit..I want some of that fail [10:23] foldingstock: June is a provisional date [10:23] it's not who has the money in the end: it's who is remembered [10:23] TwinReverb, haha, agreed [10:23] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:23] they could easily have an inversion in stock to 20% [10:23] Easily? [10:23] hey i'm trying to use Nut with my belkin ups and nut can't find the ups. anyone have any experience with nut and knows if the syntax is wierd or anything? [10:23] TwinReverb: its because they pull off some genius marketing [10:24] especially if apple snuck in a mac os x x86 for centrino. they could code a dozen of the drivers that are not native and be done with it: centrino would essentially belong to apple [10:24] Yeah..they could easily be beaten back to 20%..and this is the ZOMGYEAR of Linux! again! [10:24] [10:24] year of the linux desktop [10:24] lol [10:24] think: centrino. 90% of the hardware on the centrino is intel. the rest is usually a hand full of wireless and/or network cards, and some video cards. [10:24] More like the Decade of the Linux desktop [10:25] its the desktop part thats linux biggest perceived weakne [10:25] essentially a mac laptop is barely different from most centrino laptops [10:25] TwinReverb: except Macs are supposedly sexier [10:25] and compared to the standard dell... [10:25] lol [10:25] straterra: i think we shouldn't be arguing that if win has a greater market share it's the better os. [10:25] regardless, they could offer a no-frills no-support version of mac os x for x86 centrinos [10:25] slava_dp: There is no "better" OS [10:25] they would probably, within a year, own 25% of all laptops [10:26] Every OS has its strengths and weaknesses [10:26] expanding their hardware offerings is dumb [10:26] there is a better OS but that depends on what you use it for [10:26] Personally..I think Linux for everything is a scary and stupid idea [10:26] oddly enough, i perceive slack to be a better desktop than ubuntu :P [10:26] it's really how you define better. it's not relative, it just depends on your needs. [10:26] the POINT of apple is a small selection of VERY good hardware that is 100% supported perfectly by software [10:26] i know what their point is [10:26] straterra: any OS for everything is a scary and stupid idea [10:26] not a "try to cover 100% of the bases" OS [10:26] Action: adrenaline agrees with IntangibleLiquid [10:26] but they should sieze opportunity by the horns and blast m$ off laptops [10:26] God, the M$ joke is old [10:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:27] why ? M$ is not a bad thing [10:27] straterra, did you buy some MS stock recently? [10:27] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [10:27] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [10:27] slackytude: its the Ballmer Coolaid [10:27] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.199) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:27] And Apple is where they are because they don't have to backward support much of anything [10:27] without M$, apple would have no competition. that would be pretty retarded [10:27] Action: adrenaline would like windows better if he didn't have to buy 3rd party software to keep the OS safe [10:27] Look at how much shit they broke moving to OSX..on purpose [10:27] straterra, it's like we repeat over and over what's been said for decades, the decade of windoze debate [10:27] security: linux > vista. battery life: linux can > vista if you run a minimal system versus their over-themed OS. interoperability: depending on the system and field, linux > vista. price: linux > vista 24/7 [10:27] slackytude: Nope [10:27] straterra, :P [10:27] I would rather buy a music player than virus control [10:28] adrenaline: but now you can buy software from MS to keep windows safe [10:28] total cost of ownership: linux > vista [10:28] Action: ktabic only spies a small problem with that [10:28] TwinReverb: Linux security is weak too [10:28] TwinReverb: unless you count time + bandwidth as a price, lol, poor straterra [10:28] straterra, prove it [10:28] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.61) joined ##slackware. [10:28] You are the ones making the claims..you prove it o.O [10:28] you counter-claimed [10:28] thus you should prove [10:28] I have paid more money to slackware than windows but I like it better [10:29] ok, easy. vista has no anti-virus and you must pay for it. and even then, even the best failed miserably lately on the secunia tests, versus with linux essentially you would have to be ultra-stupid to get infected. [10:29] You don't HAVE to pay for antivirus [10:29] TwinReverb, i wouldn't call cost of ownership, i call that cost of conversion, as most people are on windows, imagine all of them are on Linux, cost of ownership is 0 [10:29] TwinReverb, though that's another FUD i [10:30] And simply not being a dumbass is the best antivirus out there [10:30] thedlw (i=1005@pool-98-111-116-50.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [10:30] as for vista, it's firewall is only minimal and intended not to be your daily firewall but to be enough to protect you, in hopes you buy better stuff. linux comes with iptables which is insanely good even if you must use a front-end to configure it. and linux COMES with this awesome firewall. [10:30] straterra, even on Windows i didn't [10:30] TwinReverb: how is the Vista firewall minimal? [10:30] IntangibleLiquid, nope. not FUD at all. windows costs you money, linux costs you time (and rarely), and if your needs are simple enough, you don't need additional software, so you're good. [10:30] straterra, as for viruses, a user simply plugs a usb flash into a windows box and gets INFECTED. that's so DUMB. [10:30] straterra, i've seen it and i've port scanned people using it. [10:31] I've paid more money to MS than slackware, but only until the next slack dvd comes out [10:31] slava_dp: link? [10:31] TwinReverb: port scanning means..nothing [10:31] even with mandriva, you get notified when someone scans you, and you can set to auto-block if you really want to. [10:31] Windows usually costs me more time than linux but I have used linux more than windows [10:31] straterra, my network in my university. [10:31] haha, mandriva is a piece of shit. don't use that as your leverage [10:31] straterra, autorun.inf [10:31] the infection via usb flash is a night mare to windows people [10:32] slava_dp: ok..and that doesn't actually execute anything in Vista [10:32] It ASKS you if you want to run it [10:32] Action: adrenaline thinks IE is the easiest way to infect a windows box [10:32] pip, I agree ocaml is terribly easy to learn, the problem according to most people is the syntax, but I find it actually very good :) [10:32] and what makes me hate my friends is they always call me about the virus things, i cant always be there to fix their own problems again, again, and again [10:32] the same can be said for a slackware package that installs a nice little bash script to remove your / . [10:32] Yup. [10:32] thrice`, ouch [10:32] Camarade_Tux, that's great [10:32] Action: foldingstock gets some popcorn [10:33] and as for the true source of this problem: linux has true user privelege separation from root to user (provided you're not being stupid with the permissions and have a clue; but even then, there are many graphical tools to protect you from you). on vista, people disable the questions that pop up asking you if you really want to do things (which annoys them), but even if they don't, there are (iirc, as i read) portions of vista that run [10:33] as root regardless of who is logged in. [10:33] Action: adrenaline joins foldingstock [10:33] Windows has true user seperation too. [10:33] Its just most people don't use it. [10:33] which windows? [10:33] because it is annoyinhg [10:33] NT based [10:33] TwinReverb: I could give you a package that you install as root with a nice doinst.sh to blow away your /home. you're saying you check everything you install ? [10:33] straterra, wrong. even on windows xp there were portions of IE and of various IE-related libs that ran as root. [10:34] sorry foldingstock now I will join you [10:34] thrice`, i get from trusted sources and check things. and however, even though i am not a programmer, if i really was that paranoid, i could read through the source code. [10:34] lol [10:34] I think we need more butter tho [10:34] much less i can compile [10:34] most ppl run their username with admin pril [10:34] I tthink TwinReverb is correct on this fro XP at least. not true anymore with vista [10:34] I think the DropMyRights approach is better than a user one : a program decides which rights it needs and drops the others, it's applicable on linux too :) [10:34] and DropMyRights was created for IE ;) [10:34] now i don't own vista, but watching others, and seeing them get infected, using a Normal User Account (tm) with vista, the track record speaks for itself [10:35] much less, again, with linux you can see what goes on, find the documentation, and explore and protect yourself. if you get hacked on linux it's because either you had a senior moment or because you're lazy, period. [10:35] home! later all [10:35] linux is documentation and security overload. vista is the polar opposite. [10:35] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:35] If they get infected..then they are 1) An idiot with bad habbits 2) and idiot for turing off UAC and running as admin/allowing the app the access it asked for [10:36] straterra, the users i speak of did not disable UAC or set up as admin [10:36] If you run UAC, then you run under an admin account [10:36] Thats the point of UAC [10:36] If they were infected, they GRANTED the application the access it requested. [10:36] granted, even then, beyond which, windows does not have any warnings i've seen to prevent you from using admin 24/7 on their OSes, and never has. linux used to (mandrake, red hat, slackware, etc) warn the heck out of you if you ran as root, much less everyone in the community tells you this over and over. [10:36] You think Linux is zomgsecure? [10:37] i distinctly remember logging in on mandrake 9.1 as root and the desktop background was a huge bomb with a warning symbol, and you got warned with popups [10:37] usus12jari, http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7ojhl/linux_tip_how_to_take_a_screenshot_without_x_gui/ ;p [10:37] Link on its way [10:37] nothing is secure, linux > vista [10:37] TwinReverb: I remember loggin in as root on red hat servers, there was this red background with giant yellow caution signs. I got a kick out of it [10:37] Unless you want DirectX.. [10:37] Or a kernel where the ABI doesn't change all the time [10:38] opensuse has that same wallpaper [10:38] How about this for statistics? [10:38] You think Linux is SO secure? [10:38] Secunia has 407 vulnerabilities listed for Fedora 9 [10:38] Released on May 13, 2008 [10:38] wife on skype > same old discussion (tm) [10:38] I don't think Linux that secure, is it C2 certificated ? [10:38] usus12jari, oh no, that doesn't apply, that's just something useless ='( [10:38] 407 [10:39] and how many for firefox ? ;) [10:39] While windows is also C2 certificated [10:39] dogking (n=dogking@222.35.171.5) joined ##slackware. [10:40] TwinReverb: also..maybe you've missed some of the recent user escalation exploits in Linux [10:40] such as the vmsplice exploit [10:40] straterra: compare the risks of linux exploits with windows exploits ;) [10:41] Infact.. TwinReverb, I will set up a Vista machine and run any executable you want on it. I want to see you infect it. [10:41] i wonder if there's ever a time when MS tells Windows to switch to Linux so they can have time fixing their Windows, like the recent IE story :) [10:42] I did this same challange with an actual cracker. He wrote his own botnet software and claimed vista was zomgterrible for security..i ran all of his exploits and such. Not a single one actually DID anything to the system. [10:42] IntangibleLiquid, MS didnt come out and say "use linux" [10:42] slackytude, that's why i wonder, just a future comparison to the past :P [10:43] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:43] straterra, numbers aren't everything. how many of those were serious and how many were trivial? [10:43] There are enough serious [10:43] a cracker friend of straterra couldn't break vista...it must be really secure [10:44] hehe [10:44] Linux isn't nearly as secure as Linux pr would leave you to believe [10:44] I'm not even talking about privilege escalation either [10:44] linux pr? who is the guy doing that? [10:44] DoS's [10:44] most linux exploits (user escalation, etc) require remote or physical access to work [10:44] foldingstock: as do Windows exploits [10:45] Really who gets DoS'd anymore [10:45] its rare to find a linux exploit that will install a service and send spam mail without by clicking a popup [10:45] Lots of people? [10:45] That isn't even os level anymore [10:45] foldingstock: bah.. physical access is the be all and end all [10:45] which happens often on windows [10:45] my 10 router fixed that [10:45] lots of people here, frequent reports on Botnets [10:45] TwinReverb: Linux took 20 kernel releases to fix a KNOWN DoS with TCP ordering! [10:45] Sounds like you need a little more expensive router [10:45] 20 releases! [10:46] not one..not two..not 10.. 20 [10:46] one that affected everyone however, iirc [10:46] And that isn't the case with windows? [10:46] straterra: MS took 7 years to fix a known bug with samba shares [10:46] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [10:46] 7 years! [10:46] and it was rather serious [10:46] MS is taking over 20 years to fix its os [10:46] foldingstock: that has to do with a protocol itself, not an issue with an implementation of a protocol [10:47] uh? they made the protocol! [10:47] straterra: its MS's protocol [10:47] thus, their issue [10:47] So? [10:47] now we can ignore local vulnerabilities in my opinion, at least for a home user. if your laptop gets lost or stolen, it's already over. however, yes, you can encrypt and all that, but if they have the machine, it's still essentially over [10:47] so? your argument is pathetic [10:47] it was their stuff [10:47] ignore local vulnerabilities?! [10:47] Action: adrenaline wonders when ms will go to a unix file system [10:47] yes, for me [10:47] adrenaline: The same time LINUX goes to a unix file system [10:47] single user machine [10:48] I like the monolithic kernel I hope it stays linux [10:48] adrenaline: see what I mean about the wadded panties? [10:48] lol [10:48] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@dhcp-18-190-51-53.dyn.mit.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:48] I don't have wadded panties. The continous flow of FUD is annoying. [10:48] besides, look at secunia for the linux kernel. 286 vulnerabilities, supposedly. however, look at the level: less critical [10:49] bed time, nice discussion guys :) [10:49] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.41.245) left irc: "Leaving" [10:49] dogking (n=dogking@222.35.171.5) left irc: "‚»" [10:49] straterra: you're in a #slackware channel [10:49] So? [10:49] you shouldn't expect a strong Windows love here [10:50] ##slackware != ##spread-fud-about-other-software [10:50] There is a difference between love and fud [10:50] you spread it for me [10:50] i say things and you back them up. ironic. [10:50] Uh.. [10:50] what's funny is this whole argument was started over an xkcd comic [10:50] a joke [10:50] :) [10:50] Actually, it wasnt [10:50] If it isn't one thing it is anotheer [10:50] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.54) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:51] ah well, I prefer *bsd [10:51] TwinReverb: I havent seen you provide any evidence to support any claims [10:51] straterra, is OK but I have little to no love for MS products [10:51] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [10:51] and thats fine [10:51] hence #slackware [10:51] I'm not asking for love of Windows [10:51] I'm askin for a reduction of FUD [10:51] straterra, i don't [10:51] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:51] besides, win still uses crappy file systems. reiser4 and ext4 rule. [10:51] You don't have any evidence? [10:51] i sit and read security news [10:52] Action: adrenaline would like windows if they opened it up and we could make it our own [10:52] like the majority of non-OCD people [10:52] uh, windows is still closed source [10:52] if something comes out, i patch and/or fix [10:52] what adrenaline said [10:52] slava_dp: NTFS supports a LOT of the same stuff as modern "Linux" file systems [10:53] straterra, did you know they are working on getting rid of NTFS [10:53] Closed source has its place and isnt zomgevil or zomguseless [10:53] lol [10:53] straterra, to support and to actually use are two different things [10:53] they are working on I think it is called WinFS [10:53] as for track record, historically and realistically, linux land discovery to patch time is significantly less anyways [10:53] I hope that is a win [10:53] WinFS was scrapped [10:53] straterra, a closed source kernel or os is basically lulz, imho [10:53] adrenaline: WinFS and the MinWin kernel were both scraped [10:53] I heard they are still workign on it but it is not ready so they won't release it [10:53] figures [10:53] they've been working on those since 1995 [10:53] its sad [10:53] They scrapped them [10:54] its logical to expect better performance out of a company as large as MS [10:54] better performance in what way? [10:54] haha, no more winfs, i'm so happy =o) [10:54] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] even more lulz for a os that needs to call home for activation [10:54] <[MA]Amine> no more win no more pain [10:55] no windows, no cry [10:55] slackytude: it doesnt have to [10:55] straterra, pirate! [10:55] slackytude: nope [10:55] huh? [10:55] straterra: they announced WinFS and MinWIN in 1995...and in 2008 they scrapped both [10:55] that's BAD performance, imo [10:55] they might have been working on them since 1995 but the unix side has the HURD... [10:55] You can activate Windows without an internet connection [10:55] HURD is a joke :) [10:55] <[MA]Amine> LOL [10:55] as is RMS [10:55] yeah, it always makes people laugh [10:56] overweight underwashed hippy [10:56] Closed source != useless, evil [10:56] straterra: no one said it = evil [10:56] go eat your pie and be happy [10:56] foldingstock: TwinReverb used Windows being closed source as a reason as to why its bad [10:56] *but everyone thought so :-D * [10:56] Windows is lacking in security = fact [10:57] <[MA]Amine> you will need windows in one time : when you can't find a diver for a special hardware.. unless you don't need it [10:57] i never mentioned closed source [10:57] Yes yo udid [10:57] I did [10:57] i mentioned that you could go investigate [10:57] TwinReverb: he's losing it, me thinks [10:57] I'm losing nothing [10:57] i can't read source code so that advantage doesn't apply to me, if it exists [10:58] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:58] Most people who preach open source don't actually go through and read/understand every line of every peice of software they run ANYWAY [10:58] but i find it funny that somehow windows > linux because they can read through the source code and mention 600-something supposed vulnerabilities (all which ironically are not critical) [10:58] you can't do that with vista so you don't know how much there is until someone finds it [10:59] Uhm..lots of vulnerabilities in OSS isn't found by reading the source code ANYWAY [10:59] with linux, those testers can just go look and read and find. true. with vista, they cannot. # vulnerabilities != severity of problem [10:59] straterra, its not about reading every line of code you run, its about the ability to do so [10:59] why would they bother using any other method to find the problems? i know you need proof of concept, but that's not where the story begins. [11:00] it's not like vista where they supposedly have to go code stuff and try random stuff. they source code is right there to be read. [11:00] because how code should theoretically run is often times not how it ACTUALLY runs [11:00] true but that difference is usually thereafter discovered IN the source code [11:00] straterra: how are YOU today? [11:00] caps are fun [11:00] "oh, that's how/why it breaks / is vulnerable" [11:00] TwinReverb: Yeah.. [11:01] And when there is a vulnerability in a Microsoft product..you do the same thing you do with OSS [11:01] You tell the upstream devs [11:01] versus vista where you can only test "third person". you'll never see the windows vista source code in your lifetime. [11:01] And a patch is released [11:01] but with linux, as was shown by rworkman and myself, you can see why the problem exists, and give much better troubleshooting information. in fact, we fixed the xfce issue in 12.0 ourselves, easily. [11:01] "we" ? [11:02] TwinReverb: your xfce discovery is a big dead horse. [11:02] can you do that with windows? no. you have to assume that you matter to microsoft, much less that they can do something with the information that you have provided. [11:02] straterra: we = a term used to describe the person who said it and other people directly involved [11:02] <[MA]Amine> TwinReverb: and never understand it because they use there own programing languages like C#, VB ... :s [11:02] thrice`, how? [11:02] foldingstock: I know what the word means. [11:02] well, you asked [11:02] it's f'ing annoying that you feel you contributed a ton and bring it up every chance you see fit [11:02] VB is evil -_- [11:02] let it die [11:02] thrice`: that was my point [11:02] (to be honest) [11:02] VB isn't that bad if you are developing for Windows only environments [11:03] thrice`, stop crying. i never said any such thing. the problem exists in you, not me. [11:03] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] <[MA]Amine> slackytude: it's dead :P [11:03] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:03] i did not contribute hardly a thing anyways, as i had to say a million times because of people like you who think i'm a glory hound but you don't even know who i am. [11:03] well, I have alot more issues with you than that, but nothing that ignore won't fix [11:03] give him a hug [11:03] [MA]Amine, I wish [11:03] i have an excellent understanding of who you are, actually :) [11:04] i even told The Man himself when he visited, asking him to put rworkman's name on it rather than my own, but of course that would never be enough for you because of your prejudice [11:04] The Man being Pat? [11:04] and thinking you know anyone on irc is naive. meet me in person and get to know me. [11:04] yep [11:04] ah, t3h horror. [11:05] if ignore will fix it, do the smart thing and use it. don't cry about being somehow on moral high ground because you can use an irc command [11:05] <[MA]Amine> slackytude: only small companies that still using VB.net technologies and nobody else [11:05] speaking of VB, is there still VB support for Vista and Win7? [11:05] slackytude: yes.. [11:05] bottom line still is that even someone as clueless as myself can find and fix a problem [11:05] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Using .Net 3 and 3.5 [11:05] straterra, via .NET? [11:05] can you do that with vista? i highly doubt it. [11:05] gah [11:06] slackytude: yeah, Visual Studio runs fairly well on W7 ;) [11:06] slackytude: You'd be suprised how many apps in Vista/7 are actually .Net apps [11:06] straterra, .NET is ok. VB aint [11:06] slackytude: for VB / .NET dev. [11:06] Like.. Media Center is built off of .Net 2.0 [11:06] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) joined ##slackware. [11:07] well, thats nice [11:08] <[MA]Amine> I heard that .NET virtual machine is a big concurrent for Java Virtual machine and even supported in Linux, is it true ? [11:08] I hate media center [11:08] its slow and bogs the system down [11:08] [MA]Amine, Iam in a small company that did a lot of VB stuff for internal work. lots of Word makros and such [11:08] its a pain [11:08] [MA]Amine, mono [11:08] eew [11:09] is the .NET implementation of Novel for Linux and Mac [11:09] <[MA]Amine> slackytude: oh yeah right I heard about that [11:09] its ok [11:09] if its works [11:09] which it doesnt [11:09] Zhig (n=Evlun@adsl-223-89-22.aep.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:09] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] there is another one by the GNU but I forgot the name [11:10] .NET comes with its own price [11:10] like every time a new .NET version comes out, the API changes ;) [11:11] <[MA]Amine> but my big ambition is to see PHP as a real programing language adopted by Linux [11:11] uh, isnt that the case already? [11:11] PHP is a real programming language.. [11:11] and it runs under Linux [11:11] [MA]Amine, ? slackware comes with php. you're not saying that kde and xfce should use php as their programming language, are you? [11:11] <[MA]Amine> slackboy: but it's not famous like other languages [11:12] it's probably the most widely used web programming language there is! [11:12] [MA]Amine, oh well, good luck with that [11:12] <[MA]Amine> they say that it's heavy to program with [11:12] not if compared to COBOL [11:13] <[MA]Amine> TwinReverb: yes that's it [11:13] well i don't get that (it's a programming thing) but i don't see what's wrong with qt/gtk [11:13] PHP is *definitely* a real programming language - its relatively new, and extremely popular and widespread for how new it is [11:13] <[MA]Amine> TwinReverb: it's heavy when it's used by PHP [11:14] what is heavy? [11:14] <[MA]Amine> TwinReverb: unless gtk in C is fanny [11:14] <[MA]Amine> dive: PHP/GTK [11:14] aren't there already programs that use a little bit of php? [11:14] gtk is on the way out, afaik [11:15] There are a lot of programs that ONLY use PHP [11:15] <[MA]Amine> TwinReverb: this is my big question for you all [11:15] <[MA]Amine> straterra: in Linux ? [11:15] Action: slackytude is pythinoc, dont preach the PHP to me [11:15] PHP is OS independent [11:15] slackytude, what is replacing gtk? [11:15] ProjectSTFU is all PHP [11:15] PHP is a script language - no compile [11:16] does OS Independent = better ? [11:16] of course [11:16] it will run on everything [11:16] much less isn't gtk essentially os-independent when teamed with the proper gcc/glibc libraries? i know there's gtk for windows, for mac, and for bsd ... [11:16] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] gtk is just for GUI [11:16] <[MA]Amine> dive: we have to test the speed first [11:16] TwinReverb, everything else. there are a lot of cross platform toolkits nowadays [11:16] bb all, thanks for a very entertaining evening, straterra and everyone :) i had lots of fun [11:17] the gtk element can be cross platform, but the rest of the code may not. [11:17] well i don't program at all any more, but my point is this: how do we define what is best? i would say efficiency, but that's just me. [11:17] I know of no current os-dependant language, except *maybe* vb [11:17] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [11:17] <[MA]Amine> LOL [11:17] TwinReverb, ease of use is another factor [11:17] slackware coded in only php more efficient with cpu and memory than C? [11:17] TwinReverb, nope [11:17] but thats th same for any code - needs to be compile against right libs for OS - wether it's C/GTK or whatever [11:17] Camarade_Tux: .NET should count, the mac and linux version sucks [11:17] true, but i don't program so i don't know if ease of use matters to me [11:17] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.229.166.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [11:18] PHP is interpretted [11:18] to me, what matters is to be able to use an OS to do work and do that in a secure way so that i don't get pwnd [11:18] Writing an OS in it would be difficult [11:18] in bed [11:18] impossible [11:18] on current CPUs [11:18] slackytude: not impossible [11:18] foldingstock, it's not OS-dependant, an OS-dependant language is really something you can't get somewhere else, and mono proves it's not [11:18] Camarade_Tux: I know, but mono is terrible :) [11:18] <[MA]Amine> php was wrote in C [11:18] [MA]Amine, PHP is a script language - it *will* be slower than a compiled language like C [11:18] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: "Leaving" [11:19] straterra, youd need a way to have perl directly execute on CPU [11:19] <[MA]Amine> dive: this is what I said [11:19] slackytude: no you wouldn't [11:19] perl2assembly anyone? [11:19] <[MA]Amine> dive: php is a C program :) [11:19] [MA]Amine, the intepreter might have been written in C but the language in still interpreted, hence slower [11:19] You could bootstrap with assembler and have the bootstrapper interpret PHP [11:19] good luck with that [11:20] Difficult..not impossible :) [11:20] anyways, like i said, to me efficient and secure are the main tings [11:20] <[MA]Amine> perl was wrote in C too [11:20] er things [11:20] omg [11:20] as such, so far, slackware is the OS for me [11:20] <[MA]Amine> TwinReverb: Slackware is the true Linux [11:21] it's where efficient, secure, and productive meet, at least for me. it's the Zen. [11:21] <[MA]Amine> TwinReverb: Slackware is the true GNU/Linux [11:21] to each his own [11:21] ugh microsoft so slow today [11:21] [MA]Amine, perl is another interpreted language - yes the interpreter might be written in C but it doesn't matter - it's an interpreted script language again [11:21] Gentoo! [11:21] .com that is [11:21] <[MA]Amine> dive: ok [11:22] <[MA]Amine> I heard that Win7 need 2 Go of memory size to be efficient :p [11:22] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] interpreted = slow, compiled = fast [11:23] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] hello world [11:23] hello Nigromante [11:23] said the world [11:23] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:23] [MA]Amine: actually...I tested W7 on an older HP AMD Athlon 3000+ with only 512MB of memory and it was decent [11:23] not as fast as XP on the same machine [11:23] but very usable [11:24] free(world); [11:24] <[MA]Amine> OK [11:24] granted, I couldn't take advantage of the 3d effects [11:24] havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) joined ##slackware. [11:24] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [11:24] what is slackbuilds ? [11:24] a site [11:24] a website [11:24] heaven [11:24] a project [11:24] go to their site [11:25] pprkut, not enough nekkid women to be heaven [11:25] a slackbuild is a script to create packages for slackware [11:25] or a site with slackbuilds [11:25] slackytude: you write a slackbuild to rectify that situation? [11:25] pprkut, I might try [11:25] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062160217.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Nick change: ClaudioM_ -> ClaudioM [11:25] hard to say which is correct going by the grammar of the original question [11:26] <[MA]Amine> is there is someone who has tested to deploy an asterisk server in Slackware ? [11:26] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.1/network/asterisk/ [11:26] i want nekkid women [ in mine bed ] [11:27] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [11:27] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/asterisk/ [11:27] <[MA]Amine> ok thx [11:27] dive: so bug slackytude about the slackbuild for it :P [11:27] you are welcome [11:27] yeah cmon slackytude [11:27] faster [11:27] dive, sure [11:28] dive, there is the question of the fee, tho [11:28] uh oh [11:28] <[MA]Amine> slackytude: it's perfect to me thx :) [11:28] besides it might need neekid women for testing purposes [11:28] can't they be open source and free as in free beer? [11:28] [MA]Amine, no sweat [11:29] [MA]Amine: where are you from? [11:29] szymon_g (n=szymon@94-192-155-58.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] <[MA]Amine> Nigromante: I am Moroccan [11:29] Ahh [11:29] <[MA]Amine> Nigromante: and you ? [11:29] I'm on you :-P [11:30] <[MA]Amine> LOL [11:31] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [11:31] <[MA]Amine> my next project is to deploy a complete asterisk server, and of course I will choose Slackware GNU/Linux my first and my last distro :) [11:31] Cann0n, I got some scripts for you to try out [11:31] yeah! [11:31] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/video [11:32] dvd rippers and a reencoder [11:32] simple ones though [11:32] ish [11:33] dripper needs mplayer + ffmpeg for reencoding, vipper needs vobcopy + ffmpeg, reen needs ffmpeg [11:33] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:34] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:34] clean [11:34] -h will show options [11:34] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:35] :) i need a web server [11:35] they are handy indeed [11:35] i wrote a nice file encryption script and a war driving 'cloak' script [11:36] cloak? [11:36] straterra, the other problem i have is that microsoft intentionally locks out competition in order to survive. not trying to be evil, just stating a fact. i'm military. everything is Microsoft-SQL rather than SQL, for example. they also gave sway to IE by being nice to DOD in some custom security extensions that no one else gets. [11:36] well if you want me to host them I can put them on my ftp... [11:37] not trying to be rude, i just get tired of seeing the military shell out tons of money for that which they really wouldn't have to [11:37] some day i may decide to program something for linux that DOD could use, but oh well [11:37] it changes the mag add and toggles icmp options [11:37] much less i don't see how (in light of the NSA's work with SELinux) they don't implement it more [11:37] Cann0n, interesting... like to see that [11:38] when TwinReverb programs anything for the military, we're all doomed :P [11:38] Action: TwinReverb stabs thrice` thrice [11:38] TwinReverb: any military secret you could reveal? [11:38] a linux program could easily eclipse our tool accountability system using linux SQL or PHP or whatever [11:38] and it could cost significantly less if they chose [11:38] dive, i'll paste bin them? [11:38] but alas [11:39] if you like [11:39] as if the military has an issue with blowing away our tax dollars... [11:39] Because to use open source solutions requires Clue, and there's not a lot of that in the DoD. [11:39] Nigromante, /dev/null [11:39] thrice`, actually we do. you'd be amazed what we do out here to try and trim our budgets [11:39] Plenty of money, however. Also, bribery. [11:39] TwinReverb: ha, trying layoffs [11:39] try*] [11:39] dive, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9095 WD cloaking [11:39] Bribes can be made almost legal, too. [11:40] much less we downsize all the time trying to cut costs. but that's more of a government question (i.e. we are on the discretionary spending budget in congress. medicaid, medicare, and social security keep demanding more of the pie, so we must try to downsize) [11:40] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9096 encryption [11:40] I guess it has some logic [11:41] if you guys wanted i could be a consultant and you could program a tool accountability system (even something with the features of kmymoney, if you've ever used it, could work) [11:41] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:41] but alas ... [11:42] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7b41b7cf4f47b97d) left irc: [11:44] dive, might want to set $REMOVE=false on the encryption script [11:44] right [11:44] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:45] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.61) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:45] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.55) joined ##slackware. [11:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] tr4sh (n=tr4sh@201.39.12.73) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Nick change: tr4sh -> tenorio [11:48] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left ##slackware. [11:49] dive, nice work [11:49] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:49] havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) left irc: "Leaving" [11:50] Cann0n, you have some lines outside of fucntions: MAC=`cat ${TMPFILE}`, A1=`ps ax | grep apachectl | grep -v grep | wc -l` S1=`ps ax | grep smbd | grep -v grep | wc -l` [11:50] look like they should be either in functions or at the end between calls [11:50] ` ` is depreceated [11:50] or however thats spelled [11:51] Nick change: steerpik1 -> steerpike [11:51] hmm [11:52] mind if I work on these a bit and see if can update them ( also to use $() rather than `` )? [11:52] dive, yes [11:52] $(echo "deprecated") [11:52] thats to check if apache is running [11:52] and samba [11:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-51.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:53] never liked the `` [11:53] slackytude, it's a lot faster to type though [11:53] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-134-51.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:53] dpends on keyboard layout [11:54] and when you are reading through a script it's easier to spot `` vs $() which can be mistaken for ${} [11:54] really? its the opposite for me [11:54] it's 2 keys the same... [11:54] as opposed to $() [11:54] I always confused ` with ' [11:54] 3 different [11:54] distinguishing between nested opening-` and closing-` is difficult enough that $() is probably more solidly-parseable [11:55] i dont mind. i prefer that way because the standard way to see if rc.samba is executable didn't always work for me... sometimes i'd -x samba or apache after i started it [11:55] $( ) seems to be a more capitalist symbol [11:55] Nigromante, O_o [11:55] hah [11:55] heh [11:55] Cann0n, yeah I will probably move those lines to a separate test function [11:56] ok £() ftw [11:56] ¬( ) [11:56] or €() [11:56] yeah i should have done that. the originally went next to the global vars [11:56] $(echo "gimme-yo-money") [11:57] but to prevent accidental tampering i hide them from myself [11:57] `echo "share the wealth"` [11:57] $(echo "The Bank has you") [11:57] heh [11:58] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [11:58] it's a needless function anyway lol. its only for -h iirc [11:58] also $() makes it a whole lot easier to nest several levels than `` [11:58] $(echo "Bow down before the IMF, the WTO, and the World Bank") [11:58] BP{k} :P [11:58] 10:54 < rk4n3> distinguishing between nested opening-` and closing-` is difficult enough that $() is probably more solidly-parseable [11:58] rk4n3: you mean $(echo ":P") right? ;) [11:58] lol [11:59] rk4n3: ah. missed that. my bad :) [11:59] $(eval $(echo "bah")) [11:59] :) [11:59] c0nflict (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [11:59] fridim__ (n=fridim@gar13-5-88-161-23-155.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] -bash: bah: command not found [11:59] $$rich [11:59] eh, it works good and i only use it when i have to war drive to get online [11:59] [[ ]] [12:00] so ` ` is old or just not the suave way to do it? [12:00] make the_money [12:00] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:00] i waa thinking about taking a trip up to my local holiday inn and parking outside a while ;) [12:00] Cann0n, `` will be taken out at some point [12:00] Cann0n, old and not POSIX, afaik [12:01] bleh [12:01] Cann0n: `` will technically be made depreceated from bash-3.2 IIRC [12:01] damn [12:01] shevek (n=shevek@athedsl-197824.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:01] so lots of bash rewriting [12:01] i would start now [12:02] glad i found out... i got like 10 scrips to fix then lol [12:02] what about [ against [[ ? [12:02] egad [12:02] [ works different to [[ [12:02] Nick change: shevek -> Guest2950 [12:02] in some cases [12:02] one of the reasons, I believe as well, why Pat hasn't switched to bash-3.2 yet (and why bash-3.2 is in testing) [12:02] more often than not [[ works when [ doesn't [12:03] but I've no idea how the bash people stand on keeping or not [12:03] It's like (( )) [12:03] annoying when you forget to use (( in a for loop [12:04] so instead of A1=`ps ax | grep apachectl | grep -v grep | wc -l`? [12:04] when most people are used to using ( ) [12:04] i'm trying to install firefox3, but after a copy /opt/firefox/firefox to /usr/bin, i get the error:"Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting." [12:04] A1=$(ps ax | grep apachectl | grep -v grep | wc -l) [12:04] GsXs: for which version of Slackware? [12:04] I also dont like the [[ vs [ [12:04] or test [12:04] 12.2 [12:04] ah ok [12:04] GsXs: and your installing firefox3 from? [12:04] Firefox 3 is part of SLackware 12.2.... [12:04] thats no biggi [12:05] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:05] alienBOB: goodafternoon :) [12:05] lol [12:05] eh [12:05] Hi ho BP{k} [12:05] People just do not read do they.. [12:05] Dominian: sorry what did you say? I didn't read that? [12:05] [ in bed ] [12:05] hehe [12:05] from the .tar.bz2 file that i've downloaded at ff website [12:06] GsXs: Slackware comes with firefox 3.x [12:06] i've removed the old version, and extracted the ff3 in /opt/firefox [12:06] GsXs: well as alienBOB pointed out, Firefox3 is part of Slackware-12.2 [12:06] :S [12:06] just a minute [12:06] GsXs: tell me why you think you need the tarballl of the mozilla website? [12:07] slackytude, have you tried working with arrays in bash? That was a pain to get to grips with [12:07] The Slackware package is a _repackaging_ of the same binaries [12:07] dive, I find bash a pin in general [12:07] a pain too [12:07] dive you can find examples in rc.inet1.conf [12:07] Action: BP{k} hands slackytude his new "Learning the Bash shell" from O'Reilly [12:07] i know [12:07] alienBOB: i'm not sure if my slack version is 12.2, maybe it isn't..how can i check this? [12:07] GsXs: post the output of cat /etc/*sio* [12:07] BP{k}, got a PDF? [12:08] slackytude: no. it's hardcopy :) [12:08] cat /etc/slackware-version [12:08] ive been using slackware for a while and havent seen what pat looks like heh [12:08] bah [12:08] oh [12:08] BP: Sry...Slack 12.1 here [12:08] Nick change: Guest2950 -> aperturefever [12:08] i think i've downloaded the wrong version so --' [12:09] alienBOB: rt73 seems to not work correctly in 12.2 (just for you to know) [12:09] (i needed to use source from an alternate site) [12:09] won't matter.. you can yank the firefox file from 12.2 if ther eisn't a firefox package that's already updated in 12.1's /patches directory [12:09] alienBOB:Output shows "Slackware 12.1.0 [12:10] after i close X, and I am on console on irssi, when the setterm -blank time comes for screen to go blank, it goes blank partially, I can still see the < > of nicks moving in the screen.. what would be the problem? [12:11] GsXs: you can install the firefox of Slackware 12.2 without any problems on Slackware 12.1 ...! [12:12] this is a big bug in slackware [12:12] dios_mio, it works in other distros? [12:12] dive, I dont know [12:12] then how is that a slackware bug? [12:13] then why say it's a sw bug? [12:13] sounds like acpi/hw problem [12:13] considering screen in slackware is upstream vanilla.. [12:13] som ore than likely if it is a "bug" its in screen [12:13] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [12:13] or like dive said.. acpi/hw [12:13] Dominian, he didn't mention screen the wm o0 [12:14] not using screen, just irssi [12:14] i think he meant display [12:14] alienBOB: hum...i'm trying to do this, but i get the error ÿ"Cannot find mozilla runtime directory. Exiting." [12:14] and i'm trying to install from the .tar.bz2 file, not from a tgz package (i want to learn how to compile and instal manually the programs) [12:14] dive: doh [12:14] dive: I guess I didn't read enough of it. [12:14] GsXs: good luck [12:14] GsXs: the firefox package from the website.. is not "source" [12:14] it is a binary package of firefox [12:14] You aren't building anything. [12:14] Action: thrice` wrote the one for slamd64 - it's a pita [12:14] thrice`: hehe yeah I remember doing 1.5.. [12:15] thrice`: 3.x is more of a pita [12:15] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.170.179) left irc: "leaving" [12:15] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:15] GsXs: try with the kernel first [12:15] GsXs, if you want to learn to build from source try something smaller for the first time perhaps [12:15] sure, so.. [12:15] it is easy to build [12:15] yeah.. like fortune [12:15] thank you for the help guys [12:16] I'm going to continue trying here ^^ [12:18] is that a threat? [12:18] hehe [12:18] I think its a gaurantee he'll be back [12:18] right time for dinner - laters all [12:18] soon for dinner [12:20] dinner? You must be in the future. Don't tell me what happens I liek to be surprised [12:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:20] have you programmed with shared memory? [12:22] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [12:23] Action: slackytude checks noobfarm [12:23] (just to say: problem solved) [12:23] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@dhcp-18-190-51-53.dyn.mit.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] anyone good with regexp in here? [12:25] TwinReverb: which environment? [12:25] [MA]Amine (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:25] linux [12:25] _juan (n=juan@201.248.7.55) joined ##slackware. [12:26] I mean, language / application [12:26] adblock plus plugin for firefox [12:26] never worked with it [12:26] general theory i may help [12:27] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: "Leaving." [12:27] i was wanting to match /ad. and /ad_ so i started with [/._][Aa][Dd][/._] but somehow i can't get it to work and i don't know what i'm missing. i'm reading the page about what regular expressions are but i can't figure out what i did wrong [12:27] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:28] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.86) joined ##slackware. [12:28] TwinReverb: is that the whole expression? [12:28] <_juan> hi! i have a small problem, firefox reads the flash plugin and thus shows youtube videos, but konqueror or opera dont. i have tried with the package from slackbuilds and from the adobe site, neither works...what could be wrong? [12:28] I don't believe flash works in konq 3.5 [12:28] i'm guessing you really want to match */ad/* or */ad_* right? [12:29] can try ^*[/][Aa][Dd][.]*$ [12:29] rather */ad.* [12:29] can try ^*[/][Aa][Dd][._]*$ [12:29] <_juan> it was working untill i upgraded seamonkey [12:29] k [12:29] sorry: ^.*[/][Aa][Dd][._].*$ [12:30] but you should read docs for that application, and symbols supported [12:30] 0 hits [12:30] "^.*" is the same thing as "" [12:30] i did but i'm still not getting it. i'll keep trying [12:30] .* = any character 0 or more times [12:31] well the problem isn't the front or back: it sees this [12:31] er, if you leave out the * * at the ends it knows to match anywhere within a URL [12:31] Are you saying I'm wrong? How does the expression differ if you omit "^.*"? [12:32] i.e. /[Aa][Dd][0123456789Ss]/ matches a bunch of stuff [12:32] depends on the matching mode rob0 [12:32] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [12:32] their documentation points to https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Global_Objects:RegExp and i'm reading it but maybe i'm not totally getting it [12:32] dngr (n=dngr@pcd342166.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [12:33] ahh I see, / is part of the syntax [12:34] seems quite similar to Java [12:34] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] TwinReverb: so which "literal string" would you like to get ? [12:36] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] i'd like to match a string that has either &, ., or / as the first character, [Aa][Dd], then _ or / or . as last character [12:37] so i thought [._/&][Aa][Dd][./_&] [12:37] but it doesn't seem to work [12:37] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] what about: .*[._/&][Aa][Dd][./_&].* [12:38] i don't think you have to specify the front and back of the string but i'll try it [12:39] that would match the whole line [12:39] can try: .*([._/&][Aa][Dd][./_&]).* [12:39] and get the captured substring [12:41] also, if parser is quite greedy: [^._/&]*([._/&][Aa][Dd][./_&]).* [12:41] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:41] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [12:41] no, forget last one [12:42] hmm it seems to want me to enclose strings as // [12:42] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:44] ok i think i got it [12:44] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [12:44] which one? [12:44] i had to do /[/][Aa][Dd][Ss][0123456789][/]/ [12:44] etc [12:44] ok [12:46] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Connection timed out [12:46] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) left irc: Client Quit [12:47] but how do you block something like http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=omFsikS00lhavvZMSRrm56v.07QhTUlnjWgABvvg&T=13tfohvj4%2fX%3d1231523176%2fE%3d2716149%2fR%3dyahoo_top%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d1.1%2fW%3dJ%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d2582548828%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d58D2B444&U=13fr3beea%2fN%3dt_JIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d635447.13182433.13350803.9641268%2fD%3dHDLN%2fB%3d5504402%2fV%3d1&U=13gg03pfd%2fN%3duPJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d289534.13034496.13338353.5322130%2fD%3dHEADR%2fB%3d4040821%2f [12:47] V%3d1&U=12bvp0hsh%2fN%3dufJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-1%2fD%3dNGM%2fB%3d-1%2fV%3d0&U=12ds72vut%2fN%3duvJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-1%2fD%3dFDMY2%2fB%3d-1%2fV%3d0&U=12b24t2he%2fN%3du_JIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dNBM%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0&U=13g22nben%2fN%3dvfJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d261366.10729796.12726797.10391589%2fD%3dFPC1%2fB%3d1720487%2fV%3d1&U=12c106ksv%2fN%3dvvJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-1%2fD%3dSTCK%2fB%3d-1%2fV%3d0&U=13eelid56%2fN%3dv_JIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d385895.13201823.13360626 [12:47] .9365916%2fD%3dMKP%2fB%3d5560267%2fV%3d1&U=13fi340kd%2fN%3dwPJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d635447.13182398.13350799.9413843%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d4758805%2fV%3d1&U=13f2jb0hq%2fN%3dwfJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d385895.13201851.13360639.8855218%2fD%3dMKP1%2fB%3d4763740%2fV%3d1&U=12cr0fu0r%2fN%3dwvJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-1%2fD%3dMKP4%2fB%3d-1%2fV%3d0&U=13f8ppdr1%2fN%3dw_JIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d629009.13252909.13385795.8383570%2fD%3dFPAD%2fB%3d5577659%2fV%3d1&U=13gkm612l%2fN%3dxPJIl9 [12:47] j8fbU-%2fC%3d635447.13182468.13350820.10360830%2fD%3dMNTL%2fB%3d5551362%2fV%3d1&U=12bq13lub%2fN%3dyPJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-1%2fD%3dSIP%2fB%3d-1%2fV%3d0&U=12bdq6l5l%2fN%3dyvJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dRMP%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0&U=12cmtvkr1%2fN%3dx_JIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d-2%2fD%3dSIPR%2fB%3d-2%2fV%3d0&U=13d8ots8f%2fN%3dxfJIl9j8fbU-%2fC%3d224039.2072002.3536622.2012076%2fD%3dFOOT%2fB%3d1088125%2fV%3d1&Q=0&O=0.110825188625295 [12:47] hahahaha [12:47] dude wtf [12:47] Excellent! [12:48] >.< paste fail (sorry!!!) [12:48] TwinReverb: this better not be a link to goatse when I click it! >:( [12:48] ... [12:48] no it's one of those obfuscated yahoo ads [12:48] what are you trying to do with it? [12:48] ffs, someone +b [12:49] oh, heh. [12:49] use adblock to block it [12:49] using regular expressions [12:49] TwinReverb: are the ads alweays prepended by a "/b?" in the URL/ [12:49] Why bother? [12:49] if so.. just block on "/b?" [12:49] done [12:49] sorry it didn't look like it would be that big a paste [12:49] a /b ? huh? [12:49] I map *.yahoo.com and *.yahoo.ca to 127.0.0.1 [12:49] yep [12:49] http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b? [12:49] that TwinReverb [12:49] I realize that yahoo is allegedly the most trafficked site in the world, but who the hell actually uses it? [12:50] i remember doing that with Ogame [12:50] i was thinking a rule that blocks when it sees % maybe 10 or more times in the same string [12:50] are the ads always pre-pended with "/b?" [12:50] not sure yet [12:50] I'd find out [12:50] because it looks like it is [12:50] .*([%].*){10, }.* [12:51] no, it doesn't seem to be [12:51] Nigromante, thanks but i was about to think and generate the rule and ask you if it's correct lol [12:51] alisn91 (n=alisn91-@189.12.240.107) joined ##slackware. [12:51] thanks, i think i'm flying on my own now, i think i get regexp [12:52] oki [12:52] look-ahead is handy too [12:52] A man had a programming problem, and he decided to solve that problem using a regular expression. [12:52] Now he has 2 problems. [12:52] :-P [12:53] I learnt programming an IRC library [12:53] learnt (regexp) [12:53] TwinReverb, just block *.yahoo* [12:53] TwinReverb, just block *.yahoo.* [12:53] heh [12:53] *yahoo* even [12:53] haha [12:53] Do they own an ip block? You could just block the whole thing with iptables [12:53] Problem solved. [12:53] well i'm trying to get all "zen" with my filters so that i don't need to type a million of them [12:54] nah i use yahoo mail, i just hate ads [12:54] the *ad* and *ad[0-9]* type ones already work very well [12:54] block 0.0.0.0/0 :-P [12:54] it's just that before i would have /ad. and /ad1. and /ad2. and /ad/ and /ads/ and /ad1/ and /ads2/ etc [12:54] hahaha [12:56] Nigromante, that will block some, uhh, important sites :P [12:57] Not if you only block port 80 [12:57] No internet that matters happens on port 80 [12:57] except, perhaps reddit.com [12:58] you can set ad block plus to import rules from easynet etc but having that large a rule set makes browsing slow and annowing [12:58] Just disable it for your favorite sites. [12:58] but then no ads on those sites get blocked [12:58] Many of those sites you want to let the advertising through, (again, reddit is a good example). [12:58] Reaver_11 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [12:59] Yea, well, how are free sites supposed to make money? Power of positive thinking is not enough to keep a server online. [12:59] TwinReverb: avoid loading images [12:59] and javascript [12:59] Just use lynx [12:59] :-P [13:00] I use privoxy [13:00] its default rule set is quite good [13:00] eviljames: you mean servers need more than just love? [13:00] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Action: alisonken1home get's All You Need Is Love song in head for some strange reason [13:01] it looks as if servers were like pets [13:01] alisonken1home: Be careful when lovemaking with your server. It can lead to unexpected behaviour. [13:01] tribeca (n=naitso@host160-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Also, be careful when lovemaking with your s/o. It can lead to unwanted babies. [13:01] not anymore here :) [13:02] fixed that problem after the last one [13:02] hahaha *snip*! [13:02] actually - *snip* *snip*. remember, they come in pairs [13:02] ... you have 2?! [13:03] everyone has 2, eviljames [13:03] Nigromante: not everyone, just the normal ones :) [13:03] I figured all 3 were attached to one wire, so to speak. [13:03] like a small RAID array [13:03] all 3? [13:03] mutant [13:03] Nigromante, true to a point [13:03] that's why the multiple *snips* - have to get all of them [13:04] eviljames, i could care less to be honest. most of the time adblock plus just hides the items (iirc) [13:05] Well, we moved from on topic to off topic to bizarre topic and then came back to snipping berries... [13:05] _juan (n=juan@201.248.7.55) left irc: "Leaving" [13:05] TwinReverb: Well, I find that if I'm regularly reading sites that I typically would like them to continue publishing [13:05] Welcome to ##slackware - your PBS channel [13:05] i wonder if slackware's bind is affected by last vulnerability [13:05] n00b_BR (n=ricardo@189001130222.usr.predialnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:05] TwinReverb: In order to do so, they typically need revenue. If ABP just hides the content, then all the better! [13:05] Nigromante: link? [13:06] let me get it [13:07] http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0025 [13:07] ]/ [13:07] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062160217.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:10] Nigromante: possible - it notes that it's similar to CVE-2008-5077, but that was not addressed in the changelog, so a possibility exists that slackware bind (which is v9.4.2) may have [13:11] it [13:11] I see, I just remembered seeing it today [13:12] well, it's listed as candidate, so still needs review before getting posted [13:13] last bind security update in changelog wasr bind 9.4.2 CVE-2008-1447 posted July 09 [13:13] ok. Do you know of the "huge" tcp vulnerability they claimed to have found, some months ago? [13:14] I've seen something about it, haven't seen the actual claim yet [13:14] holdmypocket (n=holdmypo@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:14] oki, i havent seen any other update either [13:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Wait [13:15] a huge tcp vulnerability, or a huge dns vulnerability? [13:16] tcp [13:16] dns was another one [13:16] oh, I hadn't seen anything about that yet. [13:16] I was going to say, I thought by and large that the dns one was patched. [13:17] they said they could jam your tcp stack by forcing it to believe older connections were alive, while creating new ones [13:17] the dns cache poisoning vul. was patched, that's the one I listed above [13:18] http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/16-12/ff_kaminsky?currentPage=all [13:18] That has an interesting breakdown, in story form [13:18] for the dns cache poisoning vulnerability. [13:19] josemanuel (n=josemanu@240.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:19] edman007, moo [13:19] nix_chix0r, !!! [13:20] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] nix_chix0r, i still want my TV [13:21] noooo [13:22] what about the pony? are you going to get me a new one after you killed the other one? [13:22] i think it was this one: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid14_gci1332898,00.html [13:22] edman007: and _what_ would you do with a pony? or do I want to know? [13:23] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: [13:23] alisonken1home, train it to bite nix_chix0r [13:24] nooo [13:24] yes! [13:26] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Nigromante: interesting that they don't specify which o/s they found were most vulnerable, but they do say "... specific vendors ..." 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[13:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-164-206.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl9-225.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:47] hello try to find austrumi /user/dev someone in here ? [13:48] ??? [13:48] :/ [13:48] pizux : wtf are you saying? [13:49] iam looking for austrumi dev or users [13:49] I was thinking it, but ananke said it. [13:49] austrumi? [13:49] ananke: I believe he's looking for someone who either uses Astrumi, or a developer of the astrumi distro. [13:49] austrumi is a slackware-based distr from letonia [13:49] (it's a business card size bootable live CD (based on slackware) [13:49] pizux: they have a forum, perhaps ask there. [13:50] the problem is the forum is in letonian [13:50] :s [13:50] the problem is that austrumi != slackware :) [13:50] impossible to registrer [13:50] slackware=austrumi=linux [13:50] no. it is not. [13:50] Huh? [13:50] pizux, go ask in #linux then [13:51] slackware=linux sure, but slackware!=austrumi [13:51] linux=debian ... might as well ask there too. [13:51] i'd buy tickets for that [13:51] try #ubuntu-women [13:51] distrowar [13:51] ;p [13:51] #analbuntu [13:51] Slackware, the mighty gorilla of distros, would win. [13:52] currently iam under frugalware= slackware [13:52] ( but better) ;p [13:52] regarding Empire State, I thought NYC streets were wider [13:53] (mighty gorilla -> Empire State building) [13:54] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] Some day I will go to NYC, and verify the claims I have heard about it: streets are slim, drivers are crazy, subways are crazy, all NYC citizens are crazy, etc. [13:55] and plan fall in buildings [13:55] plane* [13:56] actually walking across Google Street View :_) [14:01] pizux (n=pizux@vel78-2-82-243-104-41.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [14:04] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.202) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Nigromante, hey with regexp if two or three links are the same until you get to like the last couple characters, is it still necessary to /[h][t][t][p][:][/[/][w][w][w][.][g][o][o][g][l][e][.][c][o][m] etc or can i do /http://www.google.com/a/b/c/img|def[_]\w{8}[.]gif|jpg/ [14:06] schenkel (n=schenkel@187.4.24.92) joined ##slackware. [14:07] or how would i put the text in there that doesn't change? like with " " ? [14:07] you can omit [ ] for normal chars [14:07] and I guess you must escape / ( \/ ), perhaps [14:07] oh so http[:][/][/]www[.]google[.]com[/]etc ? [14:07] ah [14:07] thats [14:07] ok no need to escape with [ ] [14:08] http[:][/][/]www[.]google[.]com[/](folder1|folder2|folder3) [14:12] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. 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[14:18] Nick change: shevek -> Guest16081 [14:19] Nick change: steerpike -> BrianTumor [14:19] Well, have a nice day [14:19] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]" [14:19] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] Nick change: BrianTumor -> steerpike [14:21] Nick change: Guest16081 -> abendrot [14:23] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-197824.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:24] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [14:33] is google's favicon different for any of you? [14:34] nullboy: it changes awhile back [14:34] To the ugly lower-case G [14:34] changed [14:34] lower case g? [14:34] yep [14:34] this looks more like abstract art [14:34] I tried to call them and tell them it was ugly. They do not accept complaints at 1-800-GOOG411 [14:35] lol [14:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.20) left irc: "Bye Bye" [14:35] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:36] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0E04C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] I sense a -current update and probably an entry into 12.2's patches/ http://www.openssl.org/source/ [14:39] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.239.43) joined ##slackware. [14:41] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:43] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-194977.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:48] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-193649.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:48] nullboy, me too, http://www.gnome.org/ [14:48] :D [14:48] :) [14:49] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl9-225.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] what? [14:49] DBAmethyst (n=panzer@68-186-203-234.static.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/Picture%201.png [14:49] wtf? [14:49] gnome isn't part of slackware and there was an advisory to openssl on the 7th [14:49] smtp_ (n=smtp@66.240.11.2) joined ##slackware. [14:49] hey [14:50] nullboy, you missed the joke [14:50] I made a package... I want to save the config file when someone removes or upgrades the package. how can I do this? [14:50] the only thing I can find on the google is the doinst.sh script, which runs after the installation, so that doesn't seem to help me [14:50] nullboy, but I wouldnt doubt openssl (tho there are others that need att'n) [14:50] giuppy (n=giuppy@host139-170-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:50] slackytude: wtf indeed... ? [14:50] last sentence [14:51] the linux command line interface is disabled ... [14:51] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [14:51] why? [14:51] Who needs a cli [14:51] It's probably for a touchscreen [14:51] with no keyboard [14:51] iphone style [14:52] smtp_, look at http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/network/avahi/avahi.SlackBuild ; you see where is says' ".conf.new" near the end, it too has an applicable doinst.sh file. So the avahi script is an example to achieve what you're looking for. [14:52] hiptobecubic: I am irc-ing from the cli right now. [14:52] smtp_: You need the config() routine which is found in many doiinst.sh scripts [14:52] hiptobecubic, nope, its a netbook [14:52] hiptobecubic: and I would be totally lost without cli. My iTouch is painful to use in some circumstances because I can't just tell it what to do. [14:52] haha a netbook? [14:53] It implies installing the conf file as NAME.conf.new [14:53] slackytude: How do they figure they can disable the command line in a netbook? [14:53] eviljames, you missed the sarcasm in my comment, but it isn't your fault. of course one needs the cli. [14:53] eviljames, no clue how, Im still baffeled by the why? [14:53] Which netbook is this? [14:53] hp mini mi [14:53] http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2009/01/08/hp-introduces-command-line-free-linux-netbook#Comments [14:54] Old_Fogie: hmm. okay, so I see you could name your config file in the package config.new, then in doinst.sh rename config.new to config. but since I didn't think of that for my first release, I can't think of any way the doinst.sh script could help [14:54] oh [14:54] nm I see [14:54] thanks guys [14:56] smtp_, yw [14:56] hiptobecubic: sarca..s. .. . .m ? plz post wiki link thx! [14:56] ;) [14:56] smtp_, keep in mind, most configs are in the /etc directory and under it..so a quick tar.gz or what have you prior to upgrading is always recommended in my book :) [14:56] hiptobecubic: People often miss the sarcasm in my statements as well, I found that the most annoying way around this is to use gratuitous amounts of emoticons. :P :D o_O! [14:56] eviljames, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm [14:57] eviljames, ..... [14:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony [14:57] I did the opposite of what was expected? [14:58] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] hrm. Well, it is good to blaze my own trail, I suppose. [14:58] Action: eviljames wanders away [14:58] ugh. Do i need to post the Sarcasm link again? [14:58] got my xrandr working [14:58] http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090109a.png [14:59] smtp_ (n=smtp@66.240.11.2) left irc: [15:00] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [15:01] that's a lot of red briareus :) [15:01] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-194977.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [15:02] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009108030.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Hello ppl :) [15:02] tonight or tomorrow I'll figure out how not to lose that bit of memory below the gkrellm on the right, that part of the screen I cant see because the laptop is only 1280x800 [15:02] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:03] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) joined ##slackware. [15:03] and I absolutely have to recolor that finch IM [15:04] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0E04C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [15:04] thanks nullboy for the finch [15:05] schenkel (n=schenkel@187.4.24.92) left irc: Client Quit [15:06] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-104.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [15:06] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:06] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.59.208.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:07] briareus: nice - but too many similar colors there for my eyes :) [15:07] alisonken1home: good for my dark room [15:08] :) [15:08] briareus: that's a good reason [15:08] I tend to make it all themed. last night when I was running a black and white image of clouds, all the colors of the terms are greys and the fluxtheme similarly [15:09] qneo (n=Miranda@adsl-dyn209.78-99-9.t-com.sk) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [15:09] hmm, my laptop's function keys work to change from LCD to vga out or to both [15:10] mine don't [15:10] but i think it will only output the same res on each port [15:10] i have to use xrandr [15:10] can xrandr let me us different res on each port? [15:10] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.188.134) joined ##slackware. [15:10] nullboy: it did for me last night at one point when I was futzing around, though for me it was a misconfig [15:11] I'm need to install propietary printer drivers from a rpm package in slackware, do I have to do something additional aside converting the rpm to tgz? [15:11] or at least I think it did, I tried a lot of things in rapid succession [15:11] and just install it [15:11] nullboy, well i'm actually using nvidia's twinview so i have no idea [15:11] I was thinking if its necessary to change the package name layout to PRGNAM-VERSION-ARCH-BUILD.tgz [15:11] I only have "one" screen that both of my monitors share [15:12] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:12] dissociative: you aren't required to rename it, but beware converting from rpm to slackware package automatically, it's not guaranteed to work properly [15:13] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:13] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] yes I know, I just ask to have a resulting slackware package as clean as possible [15:14] dissociative: in that case i'd consider a repackage [15:14] repackage? [15:14] i would create a slackbuild that extracts rpm and builds a slackware package how it should be if you are really worried about cleanliness [15:15] fridim__ (n=fridim@gar13-5-88-161-23-155.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] humm. this is wierd. the stock hugesmp kernel from 12.2 lats my thinkpad brightness Fn keys work, but the new one i compiled does not. odd. [15:16] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] nullboy: and what can I do with stuff that goes to /usr/local? [15:16] or should I left that there [15:16] make it go where it needs to be.... [15:16] it would be your slackbuild.... [15:20] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009108030.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:21] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.21.37.5) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Hey [15:21] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-164-206.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:21] How is progress towards a slackware 13 looking? [15:21] I want a KDE4 that will peacefully coexist with KDE3 [15:21] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-9-123.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:22] deepfriedsquirre, why keep kde3? [15:22] Just in case I want to go back [15:22] Configuration, etc [15:22] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-9-123.btc-net.bg) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:22] It will be either KDE3 or KDE4 [15:22] You see I prefer KDE3 at the moment but it's not worth me learning to do anything with it because it;'ll soon be replace by KDE [15:22] poor dude: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1378 [15:23] deepfriedsquirre: "not worth me learning to do anything with it" ??? [15:23] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Well [15:23] What is there to learn about KDE3 or 4... [15:23] lol I know, I know it's easy peasey :P [15:23] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.239.43) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:23] But still, I don't want to go and get used to stuff then find I have to get used to something else [15:24] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Meh [15:24] chopp: lol [15:24] so what /does/ that do? [15:25] I think I'll go grab KDE4 on Debian, see what I think and maybe install on Slackware [15:25] hiptobecubic: it's a fork bomb [15:25] Awww [15:25] terminator 3 on the tube [15:25] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [15:27] nullboy, howso? I see the &... [15:27] hiptobecubic, man bash [15:29] hiptobecubic: http://www.shell-fu.org/lister.php?id=77 [15:30] explanation [15:30] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] try it on a VM to see what it does [15:30] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [15:30] i've never tried a fork bomb on a vm myself [15:32] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:33] me_ (n=me_@78.149.255.83) joined ##slackware. [15:36] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:36] me_ (n=me_@78.149.255.83) left irc: Client Quit [15:37] me_ (n=me_@78.149.255.83) joined ##slackware. [15:39] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.21.37.5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] what can I do to make my shell to reload my user account group membership modifications [15:39] logout [15:39] and back in [15:39] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] wait for a power surge to blow your psu [15:40] if I'm runnig X [15:40] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.202) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [15:40] log out of X [15:41] and back in :) [15:41] this is hilarious [15:44] you know what's funny about this HPminimi with the commandline disabled? [15:44] check this out... [15:44] Click customize and buy..... http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Mini&series_name=minimi_series [15:45] big deal [15:45] just image the stock disk for a backup and reinstall [15:45] no i mean [15:45] The giant windows logo [15:45] Can they even put that there? And then sell you linux? [15:46] Lamedows [15:48] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:49] Also, the larger screen has a lower max resolution... [15:49] anyone knows how do i build fftw? [15:50] slackbuild script doesent make it clear :/ [15:50] fftw? [15:50] yes [15:50] from sbo [15:50] for ex. what arch i should use? in script it's 'custom' wtf? [15:51] save the entire slackbuild tarball (.tar.bz2 or .tar.gz) in /usr/src/ [15:51] unpack [15:51] and do i have to compileit 3 times? [15:51] save the source code to build it with in /usr/src/fftw-whatever/ [15:51] no, you don't compile it 3 times [15:51] josemanuel (n=josemanu@240.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:51] maybe the how how to at the site makes it clear.... [15:51] TwinReverb: in fact, you do (in that particular case) [15:51] anyways, once the /usr/src/fftw site is ready, run fftw.SlackBuild or whatever the slackbuild file is [15:51] i give up :P [15:52] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [15:52] .... [15:52] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/libraries/fftw/fftw.SlackBuild i'm confused [15:52] Baisuoklis: read the documentation at the site [15:52] Baisuoklis: If you don't know how to change things and what to change, stick to the defaults [15:53] Baisuoklis: that script "as is" is meant to be useable for 99% of all users [15:54] i want machine specific optimisations, i have p4 3.6 ghz [15:54] RTM is the answer to everything [15:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] compiling it as a cinelerra dependancy [15:55] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:55] alisn91 (n=alisn91-@189.12.240.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] If I want slackware 12.2 without kde, I just don't install kde and kdei? Is that correct? [15:55] dissociative: so true, or JFGI :D [15:56] te0xx (n=info-AT-@217.201.7.83) joined ##slackware. [15:56] skibur: yes [15:56] hiptobecubic, dont see no windows logo [15:56] Baisuoklis, it's really not worth your time trying to optimize for p4 [15:57] slackware is already very fast and light even on my pentium-M 1.5GHz [15:57] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] you can't make it omgfast [15:57] thanks dissociative [15:57] but the line HP recommends Windows for everyday computing on that page is funny eniugh [15:57] slackboy, click customize and buy? under os selection? [15:57] you could always get a turbo button [15:57] hahah [15:57] i remember those [15:59] hiptobecubic, ahh, [15:59] hiptobecubic, heh [15:59] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [15:59] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.59.208.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:59] who was the one with the Dell XPS M1530 laptop? [16:00] te0xx (n=info-AT-@217.201.7.83) left ##slackware. 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[16:19] gzamora (n=kiaja@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [16:20] I'd cam if mine would work :) [16:20] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [16:21] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-51.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:22] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: [16:22] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.201.40) joined ##slackware. [16:22] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:23] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.26) joined ##slackware. [16:25] who big is KDE on Slackware 12.2? [16:25] *how [16:26] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:26] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-129.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:26] i dont think it matters which version of slackware you use [16:26] kde version whatever will be the same size on any distro [16:27] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] skibur, find a mirror and measure the KDE directory. [16:27] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [16:27] hey, how can i instruct a running instance of dhclient to refresh the IP? [16:29] dhclient? That's not the Slackware default DHCP client. Did you check "man dhclient"? [16:29] yep [16:29] i did [16:30] andoo (n=andoo@dslb-084-063-109-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] but i couldn't find a lot of useful info [16:31] me__, not necessarily. Optional components as well as the toolkit used could vary the size. [16:33] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [16:33] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [16:34] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.118.234.18.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] bughunter2: I don't think "a running installce of dhclient" would really apply - which is to say that dhclient is something that runs all the time. [16:37] usr13: yes, that's exactly what i said [16:37] sorry, I ment to say dhclient is not something that runs all the time. [16:37] yes it does [16:37] at least, it can [16:37] so what's the use of that functionality if you can't do anything with it [16:37] bughunter2: You can. [16:38] how? [16:38] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.159.207) joined ##slackware. [16:38] bughunter2: if you run /sbin/dhclient you should query the DHCP server for IP info. [16:38] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [16:38] yes, that was not my question [16:38] bughunter2: But, you can simply restart the network. /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [16:38] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:38] i know [16:38] dhclient sucks [16:39] bughunter2: works for me.... I don't understand [16:39] what part don't you understand? [16:39] if it runs all the time, it should be able to do something while it's running? [16:39] but it's just eating memory, doing nothing [16:39] What about dhclient sucks... [16:39] i can't even tell it to refresh the IP [16:39] unless i run ANOTHER instance [16:42] bughunter2: I just checked and my dhclient does not use any memory. [16:43] that's bullshit [16:43] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Client Quit [16:43] of course it uses memory [16:43] otherwise it just doesn't run [16:43] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:45] bughunter2: It is not using any memory. 0 means zero [16:45] the executable is still loaded in memory usr13 [16:45] stop trolling [16:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Action: TwinReverb doesn't see trolling [16:46] bughunter2: Oh I'm sorry, that was cpu cycles, it uses 0.1 [16:46] percent [16:46] heh :P [16:46] me__ (n=me_@78.147.207.31) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] there's a troll in #centralpark [16:48] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=samuel@201.20.64.142) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] Well nope, I take it back. On my slackware system it is 0 percent. I have a ubuntu system running which reports 0.1 percent. Now I don't know what the difference is, but it is very slight. [16:48] that's only idle [16:48] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:48] that's like 1% of the big picture [16:48] it probably is little to nothing, but it still is something [16:48] what's the use of it sitting in the background while idling [16:48] TwinReverb: But my slackware box says 0 [16:48] you can't tell it to refresh the IP or something [16:49] bughunter2: Sure you can. [16:49] /sbin/dhclient eth0 [16:49] Action: bughunter2 sighs [16:49] usr13: that starts *another* instance [16:49] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.229.166.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:49] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] usr13, that's only how much load the system sees at idle [16:50] there's so much more to computing than just idle utilization [16:50] Nick change: tenorio -> tr4sh [16:50] bughunter2: NO it doesn't [16:51] usr13: yes it does, i did that and "ps aux" showed me TWO running instances [16:51] instead of one [16:52] I just did it on mine and ps aux did not show 2 instances of dhclient [16:52] "omg! cpu use is -0.1% in reverbix linux ... it's superior!" [16:52] bughunter2: But I do not see a point in it because if the lease has not expired, it's not going to do anything different. [16:52] usr13: what if you plug out/in your cable? [16:53] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] bughunter2: I dono, what if you DO plug out/in your cable? You tell me. What happens? [16:53] "my cpu does NEGATIVE work! my linux distro is a perpetual motion machine!" [16:54] bughunter2: When I plug out/in my cable, nothing happens. [16:54] usr13: the point is, if you plugged out, then in, you must re-run dhclient manually [16:54] well doh [16:54] Action: bughunter2 shrugs [16:54] SlipperyChicken (n=andrew@CPE00219103d9c4-CM0018c0d910d2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:54] bughunter2: Not if you plug into the same router. [16:54] i didn't have an IP address yet usr13 [16:55] bughunter2: But, yes, I see your point. I think what you are saying is that if you unplug from one network and then go plug into another, I guess Yes you are right, you would have to query the new DHCP server for new IP info. Is that what you are getting at? [16:55] well like hours ago, yes :P [16:56] listening to motorhead gives me hope that some day i can be famous too :S [16:56] bughunter2: Myabe it would be simplier if you just tell us what you are trying to do. [16:56] usr13: my first question ^ should be pretty damned obvious [16:57] My first answer should have been equally obvious. [16:57] usr13: your answer was that dhclient doesn't run all the time [16:57] which has been proven to be false [16:58] bughunter2: Your first question was: [16:58] "how can i instruct a running instance of dhclient to refresh the IP?" [16:59] exactly [16:59] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:59] and you said: bughunter2: I don't think "a running installce of dhclient" would really apply - which is to say that dhclient is something that runs all the time [16:59] if it runs all the time, my question makes a LOT of sense [17:00] you were rambling at random [17:00] and my answer was to simply run /sbin/dhclient or /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [17:00] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] which is not the answer to my question [17:00] is mldonkey a favored p2p client? [17:00] bughunter2: Well, I've answered your question. Now what else would you like to ask? [17:00] you did not [17:01] if i do /sbin/dhclient eth0, i get *another* instance [17:01] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.159.207) left irc: "hazta" [17:01] bughunter2: Well, there must be something wrong with your system. Because it does not do it on mine. I just don't know. [17:01] even if i run dhclient with the same parameters [17:01] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] it keeps making new instances [17:02] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [17:02] kill -9 it. [17:02] bughunter2: What version of slackware are you running? [17:02] 12.2 [17:02] Let me look on my 12.2 system and see what it does. [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-129.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] elektr1k (n=saiya-ji@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] me_ (n=me_@92.24.75.14) joined ##slackware. [17:08] bughunter2: My 12.2 system is the same. [17:08] the same as what? [17:09] same as ms access [17:10] evenin [17:10] hello [17:11] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [17:11] another exciting episode of friday night in #slackware [17:11] clearly [17:12] i just shat myself with joy [17:12] Action: dive has a new brushed alu soft touch keyboard to play with [17:12] someone moved the keys [17:12] lame [17:12] ? [17:12] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left ##slackware. [17:12] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:12] wtf is his problem?# [17:13] hates quiet chatrooms? [17:13] dunno [17:13] well he is called bughunter and he found a bug [17:13] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] bughunter2: I've never tried this, but take a look at man dhclient, dhcpctl, omapi, omshell. There might be something you could script. [17:13] szymon_g (n=szymon@94-192-155-58.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [17:14] bughunter2 has left [17:14] ooh, sure did. oh, well [17:15] i appreciate yur effort though [17:15] bughunter2 needs to install wicd I think. [17:15] i compiled out all the wireless modules on my desktop and i still see ieeeblabla being compiled... [17:15] that means you win [17:15] what do i need to do, take a knife to it? [17:16] usr13, why? [17:16] you've must have missed something [17:16] I think that is what he wanted, some automated stuff happing and he is not going to be happy doing it himself. [17:16] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:16] should work auto with inet1 script on boot [17:16] Pig_Pen: Did I miss something? [17:16] if you set it up [17:16] ieee is also firewire isnt it? [17:16] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] although just about everything i've read about dhclient and dhcpcd says to use dhcpcd [17:17] that was for dive and the wifi module he missed [17:17] Pig_Pen, is it? [17:17] usr13, wicd is stock in 12.2 [17:17] well i dont use firewire neither [17:17] and i'm sure it had a 'net' in there somewhere [17:17] let me poke my nose in menuconfig and look around dive [17:18] wicd isn't stock.. [17:18] its in /extra [17:18] i'm gonna look too when this compile is done [17:18] Dominian: thanks [17:18] no problem [17:19] wicd is great for roaming [17:19] with a little persuasion it could be naughty [17:19] Dominian: the 12.2 announcement does say that, doesn't it :) [17:19] look in Networking Support > Wireless (wifi stuff is not just in device drivers >wireless LAN) [17:19] :o [17:19] ieee1394 is the firewire spec [17:20] that what i was thinking of [17:20] its just a name for a hardware protocol [17:20] :) [17:20] hello briareus [17:20] my screen buffer doesn't go up far enough back to reread it :/ [17:20] dtanner: what's up [17:20] dtanner: got my xrandr thing going [17:20] lee555J5: aye hehe [17:20] yeah but whats the wireless net driver with a similar name? [17:20] briareus: cool [17:21] lee555J5: Yes, I just installed it with slackpkg [17:21] http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090109a.png <- dtanner [17:21] just to try it out. [17:21] briareus: i have used gnomebaker several times now... data , audio and burned a few images. It is nice. SO far the only thing it is missing is multisession support. At least I can't find it in the gui. [17:22] dtanner: thanks I'll use that one next time, I like to have options [17:22] other than that is is straight forward get the job done frontend. no coasters yet =) [17:22] dtanner, is gnomebaker a frontend like k3b, or does it have its own internal workings for burning? [17:22] dtanner, yes same here, gnome baker works well. [17:23] anyone use virtualbox? [17:23] dtanner, brasero too, and it's *gorgeous* [17:23] Action: eviljames ! VBox = great [17:23] dive, i dont see any wifi adapter drivers with ieee in the name [17:23] Old_Fogie: brasero, interesting [17:23] dive: is a frontned for cdrtools , cdrecford etc [17:23] me_: I use virtualbox closed source edition, WinXP + USB Support + iTunes + Seamless mode. [17:23] well not specifically [17:24] me_: 2nd gen ipod touch requires itunes >:( [17:24] ieee80211 [17:24] me_: why do you ask? [17:24] wireless lan ieee 802-11 [17:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:24] yeah [17:24] Old_Fogie: i think i have the source downloaded for brasero.. let me take a look [17:24] dtanner, well not necessarily anymore, I believe it can use the other stuff now (libburnia) too as a config option [17:24] its pissing me off and ive never even used it [17:24] but that is a protocol, not a specific driver for a specific adapter [17:24] i turned off all wireless options and it's come back to haunt me [17:24] Action: dive stabs his kernel [17:24] dtanner, you can use cdrecord, or the libburnina at compile time. I havent tried the libburnia tho. [17:24] take your time, poke around, i am sure you will find it [17:24] i love the look of seamless mode though [17:24] Pig_Pen, I don't need any wireless on a desktop [17:25] Old_Fogie: ah, so see senor [17:25] yup, you made that point already :) [17:25] dtanner, haha [17:25] Old_Fogie: you find multi session support in gnomebaker? [17:26] briareus, can't be cooler [17:26] dtanner, honestly I've never had a need too use that, as I have so many cdrw's and dvdrw's [17:26] dtanner, I bought a bunch of read writes after having been a windows user, and having so many incompatible multisession cd's [17:26] Action: dtanner looking for brasero ( i like to have options also ) [17:26] right gonna reboot and see if all this trimming down has left me a eunach or nor :) [17:27] does anyone know of a utility that can act as a virtual keyboard over the network? not like synergy, because I only want to send certain commands to the client as if they were issued by the client itself [17:27] I still like using cmd line burning just to know it but a quick point and click works too =) [17:28] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-197.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] dtanner, you know what I like on my old boxes, is mybashburn. SBo has a buildscript for it. [17:28] dtanner, an ncurses client [17:29] yeah , i have a ncurses burner on an old box but i can't remember the name of it [17:29] so far so good [17:29] client , I should say [17:29] should be timing it [17:29] dtanner, bashburn? [17:29] briareus, fluxbox ? [17:29] nope [17:29] briareus: nice ss [17:29] pip: yes [17:29] no 'mybashburn' [17:30] fluxbox, custom theme, xcompmgr [17:30] and a horde of custom eterms in my menu [17:30] damn this cigar is good :P [17:31] eterm .. ahhh , i like rxvt and aterm and eterm and well i guess tht is the whole reason i like linux so much "chioces galore" [17:31] so there's this motorcycle parked out in the covered parking out in front of my our apartment, and I've never seen it ridden. Just now, this smoking hot girl walks up, puts on her helmet, and blasts off. Nice. [17:31] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.53.192) joined ##slackware. [17:31] choices* [17:32] lsmod | wc -l [17:32] 37 :) [17:32] still a lot [17:32] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:32] tr4sh (n=tr4sh@201.39.12.73) left irc: "Leaving" [17:33] Blikjeham (n=deathmc@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] terminal is good because it picks up email/http links etc [17:33] right click - open link - firefox [17:33] handy for mutt [17:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:36] hmm, "iwconfig wlan0 key XXXXXXXXXXX" <-- no quotes, and I put in the hex for the wpa-psk; and I get "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) . Any thoughts, I can get wirelss working, but I'm trying to write my own script to bring up the wlan0 and clobber eth0, set my resolv and gw since Slack doesnt have a separae field for GW on wireless. [17:36] briareus: http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/Harley# [17:37] briareus: Old_Fogie , I just took a ride myself ,, the temp is near 80 degrees today here in Austin [17:37] wow, 80? [17:37] dtanner, oh wow, only 22 here :( [17:37] yup high 70's [17:38] you can see i changed out my stock pipes to vance and hines Big Radius on the photo album link [17:39] Old_Fogie: may I pm? [17:39] Blikjeham (n=deathmc@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [17:39] briareus, sure [17:39] Nick change: jean-1uc -> kraptronnik [17:40] dive: yeah "Terminal" is nice [17:40] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:40] dtanner, it's a pity that other terminals look nicer though - tabs and such [17:41] but i think terminal has mor capabilities [17:41] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:42] confrey (n=dario@94.163.77.222) joined ##slackware. [17:42] tr4sh (n=trash@201.39.12.73) joined ##slackware. [17:42] hi everybody [17:43] I have a eeePC 1000H, I'd like to use slackware with it [17:43] dive: I am using "Terminal 2.18.4 A terminal emulator for the GNOME desktop" . It has tabs [17:44] I've installed 12.2, do anybody know how to get working all eeePC controls? [17:44] dtanner, yeah I know it has - I just meant that some other terminals tabs 'look' better :) [17:44] aka konsole, mrxvt [17:45] I see [17:45] mrxvt hmmmm [17:45] i have not been on the computer for almost a year .. behind on some aps .. lemme take a look at that one [17:47] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.147.4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:48] mrxvt is ok but it is in the group of say xterm, rxvt and other simple consoles [17:48] but it *is* fast [17:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.26) left irc: "Bye Bye" [17:49] confrey, so [17:49] briareus: i mentioned nice ss befoer , after looking again i will say VERY nice desktop indeed. [17:49] confrey, what do you mean ? [17:50] ok another recompile - and I found those sneaky extra wireless protocols [17:50] Blikjeham (n=deathmc@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] briareus: what terminal are you using with the "pstree" and "df" outputs ? [17:51] That's an Eterm [17:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:52] I can cough up the commandstring, hang on [17:52] i thought so , sweet sweet [17:52] Eterm -O -g 130x20 --shade 1 -f red --font 6x10 -x --scrollbar=0 --buttonbar=0 -u [17:52] me_ (n=me_@92.24.75.14) left irc: "me_em" [17:52] that drop shadow is from xcompmgr [17:53] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-238-218.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:53] xcompmgr -c -t-5 -l-5 -r 5 -D 2 [17:53] to get the xcompmgr to work I had to add this to xorg.conf [17:53] Option "Composite" "Enable" [17:53] Option "RENDER" "Enable [17:54] in an "extensions" section [17:54] pip, I mean : I'd like tu use controls about cpufreq scaling and governor, LCD dimmer, wifi and bluetooth toggle, and so on [17:54] and : is theere anybody using an eeepc with slack? [17:54] the part I don't like is the coloring in the finch IM, I am tinkering with it and talking to the finch devs, because if you alter the color schemes it doesn't behave correctly. gray becomes yellow, etc [17:55] confrey, just do it [17:55] confrey: I wanted to buy one but lacked the money [17:55] confrey: http://extelopedia.wordpress.com/eee1000/ <--- if it works with ubuntu it will work with slack [17:55] Blikjeham (n=deathmc@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [17:55] confrey, How do you feel about eeepc1000 ? I'm considering if it's better than Acer Aspire One [17:56] i got the eeepc 1000ha [17:56] its awesome [17:56] Fast with Atom ? [17:56] confrey, its easy to setup as any pc/laptop [17:56] does the python in slackware has tkinter ? [17:57] yea it has the intel atom [17:57] works smoothly ? [17:57] Camarade_Tux, think not [17:57] yea, i just need to setup 2 finger scrolling on touch pad (in xorg.conf) and suspend to disk [17:58] almost everything else worked with huge kernel on fresh install of slackware 12.2 [17:58] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:58] dpunches1 (i=1000@cpe-24-25-171-131.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] pip, I don't know anything about Acer, this eeePC is a present from my wife and my sons.... I don't know about Atom cpu, it seems it have two ALU, I can set two frequency monitor, and each one work indipendently [17:58] slackytude2, thanks, now, wth doesn't it complain about tkinter not being available ! [17:58] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't like python that much... [17:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.86) left irc: "leaving" [17:59] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-164-206.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:59] tank-man, I found a French tutorial, with links to tar.gz of sources to compile modules about wifi, lan, and audio; I tried to compile wifi module ut I had an error [17:59] so I come back to ubuntu.... [18:00] confrey, why do you have such nick ? [18:00] for the eeepc model i have, the wifi works with the kernel included with slackware 12.2 [18:00] pip, I think the Samsung netbook is a fine toy... [18:00] pip, :) [18:00] I will keep an eye on it [18:00] as Zez Confrey [18:00] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] haws anyone here had success with the logitech quickcam chat on slack? [18:01] slackytude2, actually it does come with tkinter [18:01] Camarade_Tux, yeah, just found it [18:01] anyone know is you can get the source instead of just the rpm and deb packages for Picassa3 ? [18:01] s/is/if/ [18:02] tried to import tkinter [18:02] but its Tkinter >-< [18:02] ahh found it -> http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/testrepo.html [18:03] actually when checking for tkinter, you should 'import _tkinter', 'import Tkinter', 'Tkinter._test()' according to their wiki [18:03] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] well, Tkinter._test() works [18:03] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:03] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:04] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] bah, still just .deb and rpm.. here comes rpm2tgz =) [18:05] dtanner, what what? [18:05] in the ... [18:05] J [18:06] dtanner: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/picasa/ [18:06] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Hello. I've been trying to figure this out for a while, sorry to ask again. In the cups docs, it says: Edit the configuration under the Detail tab and create a local port that points to the raw printer queue that you have configured above. [18:06] Where is this detail tab? [18:06] SiegeX: thanks [18:06] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:07] It seems to reference the cups web interface, but I can't find it there. [18:08] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:08] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] Nick change: deLusion__ -> deLusion`_ [18:08] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.88.138) joined ##slackware. [18:11] mooglenorph : what are you trying to accomplish? [18:12] ananke, I'm trying to share my USB printer with a windows box by making a raw queue for it (which I seem to have accomplished) [18:12] ananke, the USB printer is already shared via cups and works perfectly fine with all my linux boxes over the network [18:13] uhmm, i think that step refers to the windows side [18:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [18:13] 'detail tab' and 'create a local port' is all part of the typical windows printer setup [18:16] confrey (n=dario@94.163.77.222) left irc: "Sto andando via" [18:17] Ohhh okay [18:19] Ugh, I see it now. Thanks. [18:19] mooglenorph: let me guess. vista right? [18:19] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [18:19] I've never used windows. [18:19] No, XP. [18:19] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [18:19] mooglenorph: I dig the nick [18:19] not noce? [18:19] wow never ever? [18:19] (Had macs as a kid, then switched to linux) [18:19] once* [18:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.138) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:19] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [18:19] I mean, I've never *owned* one eather. [18:20] *rather [18:20] mooglenorph: now you are just making my penis erect [18:20] briareus, hahahaha [18:20] I don't mean in a gay way, I mean in the good sort of man respecting man way [18:21] (hm. where's straterra for the former?) [18:22] dpunches1 (i=1000@cpe-24-25-171-131.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:22] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [18:24] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-247-246.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:29] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:38] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:41] SiegeX: mind if I pm you ? [18:44] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:45] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) left irc: [18:47] Hey guys compile "Take 3" [18:47] lol [18:49] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [18:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] not sure what that means [18:56] ... [18:57] Take 3 is a nmap front end with a built in mine sweeper clone.... that was a random guess btw [18:57] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [18:58] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:59] opensource bcm43xx firmware !! http://lwn.net/Articles/314313/ [19:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] yay [19:00] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:00] my b4306 has given me so many headaches [19:01] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left ##slackware. [19:01] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [19:01] well, it's still completely experimental and untested but that's really good new :) [19:01] *news [19:04] take 3 == third try [19:04] lol [19:05] lol [19:05] it sounded more like you wanted us to compile some program called "Take 3" [19:05] what u compiling? [19:05] and then during the compile process I would see something funny [19:05] lol [19:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:06] rworkman: can I pm you ? If you are around that is. =) [19:08] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [19:09] I am compiling slackware 12.2 2.6.28-generic [19:11] Nick change: FriedBob_ -> FriedBob [19:12] Reaver_1 (n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [19:13] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) joined ##slackware. [19:14] kraptronnik (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:14] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [19:15] What shoud the CLASSPATH be? What am I supposed to be pointing to? [19:15] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) left irc: Client Quit [19:15] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Client Quit [19:15] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.214) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. 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[19:35] t [19:35] umhh.. in what package init scripts are located? [19:35] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:36] ls /var/log/packages/*init* [19:37] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:39] andoo (n=andoo@dslb-084-063-109-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:44] szymon_g (n=szymon@94-192-155-58.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [19:45] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-72-91-120-225.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [19:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:50] Chameleon (n=Chameleo@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:50] thrice`: thank you [19:51] does slackware have a reference card? [19:51] "It Works...." [19:51] lol [19:52] "We consider our users to be the smartest of them all..." [19:52] type fortune in a shell [19:53] slacks reference book http://www.slackbook.org/ [19:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] see you tomorrow guys [19:56] see ya [19:56] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@92.250.53.192) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [19:57] fortune in a shell is a perl of wisdom :D [19:57] hehe [19:57] I think that is so fun I configured that to work on my debian box [19:58] So i am still trying to figure out why KDE doesn't prompt me when i stick in a cd into my cdrom. It wont do it for root either. I can mount /dev/hda to /mnt/cdrom just fine. the udev cd rule looks like it's found the device. [19:58] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:58] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [19:58] Do you need to be added to the plugdev maybe? [19:58] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [19:58] audio/music CDrom? those can not be mounted [19:58] Chameleon (n=Chameleo@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] or maybe you need to ask #kde [19:59] not to push you away just maybe a kde issue [19:59] audio (music) cdroms can be played but not mounted like a data CD [19:59] I am apart of plugdev. It's not an audio cd, it's a game cd and i've also tried the slackware dvd. All of which use to in 12.1. [19:59] kde4 ? [20:00] nope, 3.5. [20:00] ah, no clue then :> [20:01] i thought maybe you didn't have the devices plasmoid loaded if kde4, but kde3 should just pop up onto the desktop [20:01] plasmoid [20:01] One thing has changed though. I did a fresh install of 12.2 because i just put 6 HD's in my system. That took all of the sata ports, which my dvdrom is. So i bought an adapter that allows it to be a ide device. But it is detected as a ide device and like i said, i can mount it from /dev/hda to /mnt/cdrom. [20:02] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:04] I think it might have something to do with udev, but I'm not sure. [20:06] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:06] I saw some errors in my syslog, but not sure where they are coming from. http://pastebin.com/d6bed2edd there's a snipit. [20:07] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [20:07] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [20:12] briareus, do you recall if that option "key restricted" is for wep only or not? [20:15] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:16] I believe they only had wep, because otherwise I would have used wpa_supplicant [20:17] if that means anything [20:17] briareus, ok I'm getting that feeling as I search the interwebs as the man page says nothing regarding the form of wep/wpa for that variable. [20:18] what also is confusing is the "Security Mode: open" when it's connected (using wpa-psk) [20:19] and the man page is all convoluted on that as well (same key/enc section of man iwconfig) [20:19] I should really start smoking crack, I'm sure if I did this would make sense. [20:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:21] that stuff messed with me too. I don't mean crack. [20:21] it's also why my memory of it is shady [20:22] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-10899.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] briareus, oh for sure, it's only half written [20:22] like in my system, key works but enc doesnt [20:22] it sucks [20:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:22] permissions on /dev/hda is root:cdrom but all the symlinks, IE /dev/cdrom are all root:root. could that be the problem? [20:23] I got a script now that works, but like I said...seeing something on screen saying "Encryption Open" and then a man page saying that if it's open can/may/might do un-encrypted makes your butt-hole pucker up [20:23] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:24] agentc0re, /dev/cdrom is normally by root:root [20:24] agentc0re, did you put yourself into the 'cdrom' group? [20:24] Old_Fogie: Okay, just making sure. [20:24] ok [20:25] yes, i am in cdrom and plugdev. [20:25] agentc0re, is that a dvd drive [20:25] Yes, it is. [20:25] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [20:25] agentc0re, I've gotten that too when I put a blank dvd in before, and also gotten it before the drive went bad [20:26] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] agentc0re, when I googled it, I saw many people got that when putting a dvd in that had some copy protection on it [20:26] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] Well it mounts manually just fine. [20:27] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [20:27] agentc0re, maybe it needs cleaned? new cable? [20:27] agentc0re, is it old? [20:27] IE: if i put the slackware dvd in, mount it manually i can access it fine. But kde doesn't prompt me with the autorun/automount screen for any choices on what to do with it. [20:27] dtanner: sire [20:27] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [20:27] No, it's not old. [20:28] briareus, well thanks again for that, I mostly got it working now. gotta test it for a few reboots, then make a quick launch icon for the wife on this :) [20:28] Old_Fogie: i think you may have missed what i said a bit ago, and it could be part of the problem... I recently filled all my Sata ports with HD's. Since my dvd drive was sata, i had to convert it to ide, which i did. [20:29] agentc0re, iirc there's a udev rule that has to be deleted and a udev script recreates your cdrom dev for you [20:30] agentc0re, take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules file [20:30] It's off a fresh install and the udev rule looks correct (but i'm no expert udev rule creater). [20:31] http://pastebin.com/dd2155a5 - udev 70-persistent-cd.rules [20:31] agentc0re, well basically (or historically) you couldn't just change the /dev/sda to hda for a cdrom, like moving an hd to a diff box, then boot up you had screwy stuff go on with the udev for cdroms, so the script is to be run to fix that, [20:32] should i delete this cdrom rule and rerun udev to recreate it? [20:32] "running" udev does not create rules [20:32] Oh [20:32] rules are installed, and udev rollows them [20:33] follows* [20:33] there's scripts to fix the cdrom thrice` [20:33] tribeca (n=naitso@host160-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [20:33] or was [20:33] i saw some scripts under /lib/udev/ [20:33] Old_Fogie: yes, but deleting a rules file is a bad thing :) [20:34] i have not seen foureyes in here for a while, he lives in washington state, i hope those floods have not caused him any problems [20:34] Slackware's udev implementation will automatically create rules files for your [20:34] optical devices (/etc/udev/rules.d/75-optical-devices.rules) and network [20:34] interfaces (/etc/udev/rules.d/75-network-devices.rules) on first boot. [20:34] Channel flood from Old_Fogie -- kicking [20:34] If you add/remove/replace any of this hardware, and/or you "clone" a system [20:34] to another hard drive for deployment, you will need to either remove these [20:34] Old_Fogie kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:34] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] gah! ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [20:35] lol, whoops. [20:35] hehe. [20:35] Okay, let me remove the rules and reboot. [20:35] that was how 12 was [20:35] agentc0re, well I believe it's still the same now.. [20:35] man so many domains for Waledac to block [20:35] i have a backup of them if they disappear. [20:35] but I'd check the 12.2 changes file...the wording in that script is no longer descriptive, someone got cute and shortened the wording [20:36] brb, trying this out. [20:36] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:37] agentc0re, see I never really gave out 12.1 via images, but 12 is still what most my family is on, and so I have a master image that I 'deploy" delete that file and reboot and done. [20:37] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-137-188.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] Old_Fogie: I reworked the avahi build, let me know if it bombs. [20:38] XGizzmo_, yes I saw a few options were added in configure there. It's in my Kwee (hee hee queueue) :) [20:39] ukabin (n=ukabin@unaffiliated/ukabin) joined ##slackware. [20:40] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@204.38.201.40) joined ##slackware. [20:41] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Could someone who uses wpa-psk for Slack 12.2 confirm/deny that in iwconfig output shows "Security mode: open" please? [20:41] does that sound correct. [20:42] Old_Fogie: i'm not running it presently, but iirc, yes it does show as open [20:42] rules were recreated, however it's still not coming up and prompting me on what i'd like to do. [20:42] agentc0re, welcome to old age :) [20:42] lol [20:42] ha ha ha! [20:43] agentc0re, hahaha [20:43] agentc0re, ok so what's not 'coming' up? like popping a dvd in and getting a file manager or something? [20:43] http://imagebin.org/35451 i dont know who posted this, but it is a good one [20:44] Correct. Like if i put in a USB device it asks me if i want to do nothing or open it in a folder. [20:44] agentc0re, also you're not getting that screwy message anymore correct in dmesg? [20:44] Old_Fogie: you know, i have no idea how i was getting those. I just checked my syslog and they aren't in there since the reboot. [20:44] agentc0re, ok, what desktop enviro? and did you add your user to 'plugdev' and 'cdrom' and 'floppy' ? [20:44] agentc0re, they wont be most likely [20:45] Old_Fogie: KDE and i am all part of those groups. [20:45] agentc0re, udev needs to be updated for them, and slack is thankfully being conservative and not 'hunting' for changes every boot and every few seconds like some other distros do. [20:46] agentc0re, I bet once upon a time, you clicked the box 'dont show me this message' once when you in a rush, plopped a cd in, and didnt want to be annoyed. Or you dont have the hal backend check box ticked in kcontrol. [20:46] SM177Y_ (n=sm177y@204.38.201.40) left irc: "[BX] Captain Kangaroo uses BitchX. Shouldn't you?" [20:47] Old_Fogie: I'll check the hal backend. This is a new fresh slack 12.2 install and i've never once been prompted on what to do when putting in a cd/dvd. [20:47] agentc0re, open kcontrol, ...then click peripherals...then storage media..then advanced tab (so many clicks kde yucky :) [20:47] agentc0re, fstab...did you uncomment it? [20:47] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-137-188.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] Old_Fogie: no. [20:48] dingg... [20:48] Old_Fogie: i didn't in 12.1 thought either. [20:48] and [20:48] ding.. [20:48] :) [20:48] well, no sorry [20:48] that's right to be commented..it should go to /media then my error [20:48] Correct. No problem there. [20:48] i force mine to /media/cdrom [20:49] agentc0re, is hal running? [20:49] agentc0re, ps ax |grep hal [20:49] yes [20:49] hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/hdc (every 2 sec [20:50] something shown like that for the corresponding dev of the cdrom? [20:50] DING, no! [20:50] thats it. [20:50] http://pastebin.com/d7bba516e [20:51] Pig_Pen: OH btw, thats a great find! [20:51] odd, why isn't it grabbing the dvd/cdrom device [20:51] IIRC if the cdrom is not commented in fstab it does not get polled. [20:51] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [20:52] XGizzmo it is commented. [20:52] ahh [20:52] steerpik1 (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [20:53] ukabin (n=ukabin@unaffiliated/ukabin) left irc: "see you next deculture" [20:53] I just commented mine out here, reloaded udev and hal and yea it's stilling seeing it...mounts a cd to /media/cdrom-label-on-the-cd and not /media/cdrom anymore. [20:54] agentc0re, stock kernel? [20:54] Stock. [20:54] I still need to recompile so i can get it to display all my memory. [20:54] agentc0re, what's "ls /dev/cdrom' show now? [20:54] I have 4G but it only detects 2.8G, but that's totally off topic. [20:54] how much memory do you have? [20:55] agentc0re: is this a fresh install? [20:55] XGizzmo Yes, it is. [20:58] Any thoughts for additions? So far this works after 3 boots http://pastebin.com/d4e1a5696 <--I have the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf tweaked as needed. [20:58] XGizzmo_, it's fresh but he changed all drives from being ide/pata to sata [20:59] Well i changed all of that before i installed. [20:59] oh [20:59] Sorry for the confusion :/ [20:59] xdoctor (n=xdoctor@201.79.169.105) joined ##slackware. [21:00] agentc0re, well, are you still able to see, for example , put a cd rom in the drive, open konqueror up, go to media and see the label of the cd, double click it and it mounts? [21:00] probalby not if hal ain't polling it [21:01] You know what's weird, it says that my fd0 drive is disabled from polling but it is not commented in fstab. [21:01] I think thats in a hal rule [21:01] jerryt (i=1985@99.235.168.132) joined ##slackware. [21:01] that'd be noisy as heck if it did poll [21:02] could you imagine the pc clicking on fd0 every 2 sec's looking for a stiffy [ in bed ] :) [21:03] You know since the install of 12.2, i noticed that i only have 2 ruels in /etc/udev/rules.d. Before (i only know cuz i backed up my old 12.1 /etc folder before i wiped and reinstalled) has a lot more rules in there. [21:03] Old_Fogie: LOL [21:03] they got moved to /usr [21:03] /lib * [21:03] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:03] yea I got mmm...5 rules there [21:03] one's kino ..so that's not stock [21:04] so 4 from Slack proper [21:04] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] /usr would be bad :) [21:04] Oh okay, i did see rules in there but wasn't sure if they were supposed to be there or in the /etc/udev/rules.d dir. [21:04] man I'm outta ideas here, can't tell you why it's not seeing the cdrom there. [21:05] agentc0re, tried manually mounting a cd for kicks n giggles? [21:05] Old_Fogie: Yup, works like a charm. [21:06] agentc0re, and it's a "full" install? [21:07] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [21:07] yup, complete minus kdei [21:08] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] I usually put that in, makes me think I'm an international super start :) [21:08] could acpi have an effect on this? [21:08] lol [21:08] don't know [21:09] I'd think that a box that could take 4 gig could handle acpi [21:09] Naicamine (n=Naicamin@99-52-186-240.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] for whatever that's worth [21:09] lol [21:09] thrice`: correct [21:09] St0rmMolest (n=St0rmMol@h2n2fls32o895.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:13] are there supposed to be any config files for hal in /etc/hal ? [21:14] there aren't any in mine [21:17] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:22] man... i wish i had something to bitch about [21:22] lol [21:23] we can trade pc's for a minute... but if you fix it you have to give it back :P [21:23] rdesktop? [21:23] heh [21:23] sure, my desktop is a p3 w/ 192mb ram [21:25] lol, dual core 2.66Ghz 4G ram, ..... 6x750GB raid10 (mdadm+LVM). :D [21:25] :) [21:25] I still don't understand why we cant configure a wireless nic to to have it's own gateway and dns server separate from a hard wired nic who has his own settings. [21:25] /end rant [21:26] i agree there [21:26] Old_Fogie: I would think you could if they are on two different subnets. [21:26] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] hi [21:26] yello [21:26] anyone using a bluetooth keyboard? [21:26] Yeah I gotta rm /etc/resolv.conf -rf and touch then echo a new one. it's just ridiculous [21:26] hey-free keylogging [21:27] otherwise your dns queries out to two seconds for everything [21:27] hrmm. Thats weird. [21:28] So do you have your wired going one place and your wireless to another? Or are you supplying a WAP via your wireless card on your box? [21:28] agentc0re, yes wired for home and wireless for work [21:28] and slackware doesnt allow that [21:28] to manually specify the settings that is [21:28] for dhcp..sure..but not declaring your values [21:29] is your wireless one of those cellular cards? [21:29] nope, ath5k [21:30] netbook? [21:30] jerryt, yup [21:30] actually I have 10 of them [21:30] ;) [21:30] heh [21:30] quite the cache [21:30] tr4sh (n=trash@201.39.12.73) left irc: "back" [21:30] why do you seperate work and home? Just trying to get a full story, maybe i can be some help (or not)? [21:30] what about wicd? [21:30] agentc0re, oh just different network settings [21:31] well way diff, manual ip assigments and mac checking [21:32] tr4sh (n=trash@201.39.12.73) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Okay, so i am assuming that you have a router and it controls the two networks? your wired from your pc connects to it and has access to the internet and your wireless is maybe setup for a vpn or something? (just taking a stab at it) [21:32] problem is you put two different name servers in /etc/resolv.conf you have such slow connection. so it's do I put my wired up at top..or wireles.. [21:33] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] Now she knows why her cat stays away from me! DAMNIT!" [21:34] so there just different networks..and for whatever reason..if your on 198.162.... it doesnt see.."oh I see a nameserver that is 198.162 in /etc/resolv.conf and that's named *just* like my IP I should use that..." no it uses the top most dns server in the list...on every name query and waits two seconds..then it goes to the next and so on and so forth. [21:35] so in essence, if your wired..you better put the nameserver of wired in top of /etc/resolv.conf and then if I use wireless..I gotta comment out the wired..and uncomment the wireless. [21:35] do you use dhcp ? [21:35] as far as I'm concerned../etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf should have wlan0_gateway..wlan0_nameserver and /etc/resolv.conf should point to /bin/true :) [21:35] thrice`, no [21:36] thrice`, for whatever reason, hiding the essid doesnt' seem to play well with dhcp [21:36] sobrewolf (n=ssssssss@lognet-F4-0-0-gacc02.sdr.embratel.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:36] thrice`, plus I'm not at that level yet where I can setup the radius correct for that auth [21:37] Cypheerpunk (n=root@187.9.24.183) joined ##slackware. [21:37] ah [21:37] so it'd be nice if we could have something like, oh I dont know... windows 98 and configure settings per nic :) ok...really //end rant [21:39] there's gotta be some way to tell the box...in some iwconfig wlan0 dns XXX.YYY.ZZZ.AAA you'd think; I just cant seem to find it. [21:40] Oh this is weird. Okay i deleted the entry for /dev/hda from my fstab all together. restarted hal, and now it says " Hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/fd0 (every 2sec) " if i do a ps -ef|grep hal [21:41] agentfloyd (n=matt@h53.233.55.66.ip.alltel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [21:42] that thing /have/ a floppy drive? [21:42] Yup, I did put on in there just in case. [21:43] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:44] elektr1k (n=saiya-ji@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:48] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware. [22:50] what is your take on this? found it in my logs, http://pastebin.com/d7c6af270 [22:51] Looks pastebinny from here (didn't open the link, BTW) [22:52] lol [22:53] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-92-159-76.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: [22:53] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:54] brb [22:54] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [22:56] bugeye (n=bugeye@cpe-76-87-254-112.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] fridim (n=fridim@gar13-5-88-161-23-155.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:59] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:24] bugeye (n=bugeye@cpe-76-87-254-112.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:26] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] Nick change: steerpik1 -> steerpike [23:28] Naicamine (n=Naicamin@99-52-186-240.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:29] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:29] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:31] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:33] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:34] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [23:39] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062153233.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:39] drs (n=devin@cpe-76-94-214-186.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:40] does the file /usr/include/stdarg.h exist in slackware? [23:40] or is my machine just messed up [23:40] i'm using 12.1 [23:41] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:41] Ni0 (i=500@host72.190-30-135.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Ni0 (i=500@host72.190-30-135.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [23:42] well still no luck. Found a post thought about someone who had the same problem in slackware. However it was supposedly fixed by adding the parted package. [23:43] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/kde-automounting-problem-or-hal-problem-670488/ [23:47] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:47] fluxnuk31 (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:50] drs (n=devin@cpe-76-94-214-186.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "[BX] 2000: year of the BitchX" [23:55] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-71-180-2-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [23:58] weird... 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