[00:00] <macavity> lamenick: what kind of intartube do you have?
[00:01] <agentc0re> I thought everyones was pretty much the same.  Filled with porn, spam and gambling.
[00:01] <macavity> ...
[00:01] <macavity> speed wise you nimrod :P
[00:01] <mrselfpwn> lol
[00:01] <agentc0re> Mine gets faster when i clear it out with lotto balls.
[00:02] <lamenick> around 700kb down and 160kb up
[00:02] <witz> 18kb down ftw
[00:02] <lamenick> lol?
[00:02] <mrselfpwn> damn
[00:02] <antiwire> http://www.zmescience.com/9-reasons-why-there-wasnt-stress-in-the-good-old-days-000007
[00:03] <macavity> lamenick: slackware.no usually give me ~550kB/s during the american prime time.. and ~1MB/s when its the pasive time
[00:03] <lamenick> nice
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[00:04] <macavity> lamenick: if you hit it up while it is syncing with the other mirrors it may drop as low as 400
[00:04] <lamenick> can't wait to get my acer to work and gtfo of this sinking boat (vista)
[00:04] <macavity> lol
[00:04] <dive> macavity, new sshot uploaded - like it more?
[00:04] <antiwire> must have been really fun to be able to just walk on down to the drug store and pickup a 6floz bottle of heroin and maybe a 5th of coca wine
[00:05] <macavity> dive: url agian?
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[00:05] <dive> http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi
[00:05] <mrselfpwn> lol
[00:05] <macavity> much better :-P
[00:05] <fire|bird> dive: I'm using the new diversity theme now. looks great.
[00:05] <mrselfpwn> those _were_ the good old days
[00:06] <dive> fire|bird, thanks :-)
[00:06] <mrselfpwn> my grandma was alive when they still put cocaine in coca-cola
[00:06] <mrselfpwn> she said that was when it was it's best
[00:06] <agentc0re> antiwire: lol that's a great link dude.
[00:06] <dive> cocaine adds life
[00:07] <kenny_duehitt> ok, does this sound right?: I exit X and run, as root, the the installer for my videocard (GTX 260). reboot system and then run X.   right?
[00:07] <fire|bird> Hmmm, what the heck is this: %%$[-12]0. It showed up with fire|bird, thanks :-). dive, what did you do? :P
[00:07] <agentc0re> kenny_duehitt: what about that nvidia-xconfig i told you to run?
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[00:08] <kenny_duehitt> it renamed the xorg.conf but it still failed to start
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[00:08] <agentc0re> kenny_duehitt: It should have created a new one.
[00:08] <kenny_duehitt> it did
[00:08] <kenny_duehitt> still failed
[00:08] <agentc0re> pastebin it.
[00:08] <mrselfpwn> kenny_duehitt, when i run the nvidia driver installer it asks me if I would like it to make a xorg.conf and back up the previous
[00:08] <mrselfpwn> it should for you as well
[00:08] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: are you on slackware-12.2?
[00:08] <agentc0re> mrselfpwn: very true.
[00:09] <agentc0re> i've never had trouble when installing the nvidia binary drives.
[00:09] <kenny_duehitt> hmmm.  ok.  I uninstalled it.  but I will try again then report back...
[00:09] <agentc0re> s/drives/drivers.
[00:09] <kenny_duehitt> yes 12.2
[00:09] <macavity> hang on
[00:09] <dive> fire|bird, ?
[00:09] <agentc0re> kenny_duehitt: no need to uninstall anything.  just rename the xorg it made and then rename the backup one to xorg.conf
[00:10] <kenny_duehitt> to late. already did uninstall
[00:10] <kenny_duehitt> give me a few min to install it again
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[00:10] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-kernel/
[00:10] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: do that one first
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[00:10] <dive> ich bin ubuntu!
[00:10] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then this one: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-driver/
[00:10] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: read the README and do what it says
[00:11] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: this is known to work, unless you have severly fucked up you system
[00:11] Action: kenny_duehitt hope he has not!
[00:11] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: if package number two refuses to build you may have to to re-install mesa (i dont know)
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[00:12] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: do you know how to use slackbuilds?
[00:12] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: if not: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
[00:13] <mrselfpwn> also you can download and run the newest driver for linux directly from nvidia.com
[00:13] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: do not attempt to use a never version of the nvidia driver
[00:13] <macavity> mrselfpwn: that is bad advice
[00:13] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: I know very little about most things :(
[00:13] <mrselfpwn> i didn't even know about a nvidia driver slackbuild
[00:14] <macavity> mrselfpwn: there is a reason that it is there
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[00:14] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: hold on then... just a seccond
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[00:14] <mrselfpwn> though i also have kernel .30 installed
[00:14] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: downlaod this http://sbopkg.googlecode.com/files/sbopkg-0.27.4-noarch-1_cng.tgz
[00:15] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: switch to root, and run "installpkg sbopkg-0.27.4-noarch-1_cng.tgz" in that directory
[00:15] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then type "sbopkg"
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[00:15] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then pick "rsynck the sbo mirror" from the menu
[00:16] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then search for "nvidia"
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[00:16] <beatzz> very nice :)
[00:16] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then build and install nvidia-kernel
[00:16] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then build and install nvidia-driver
[00:16] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then startx up again
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[00:17] <mrselfpwn> so why the slackbuild for the nvidia driver macavity?
[00:17] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: and dont forget to read the README and carry out any aditional steps it suggests to you
[00:17] <Kenny_Duehit> I'm Kenny Duehit.  I switched. to the other computer so that copy pasta would run smoothly
[00:17] <macavity> mrselfpwn: because that wont hose your system, it will remove cleanly with removpkg, and it is a version of the nvidia driver that is known to work
[00:18] <mrselfpwn> yes i understand that concept
[00:18] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: do you need me to repeat in a private session?
[00:18] <macavity> mrselfpwn: please read the README to see why all the trickery is being done
[00:18] <Kenny_Duehit> plz
[00:18] <mrselfpwn> aight
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[00:19] <Kenny_Duehit> the pidgin on my laptop crashed
[00:19] Action: Kenny_Duehit rages
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[00:21] <Kenny_Duehit> you will all see me around a lot for a while.   I got a lot to learn about slackware ;)
[00:21] <witz> Kenny_Duehit: I've noticed it happening on my machine also. What's your version?
[00:21] <Kenny_Duehit> pidgin 2.5.8
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[00:21] <witz> hmm
[00:21] <Kenny_Duehit> with libpurple 2.5.8
[00:22] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: when you get your nvidia issue fixed, please start reading all the URLs in the channel topic
[00:22] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: then you should be a hardcore slacker in a couple of weeks
[00:22] <Kenny_Duehit> will do
[00:22] <Kenny_Duehit> :D
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[00:22] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: first of all.. learn how to use the command line
[00:22] <fire|bird> Kenny_Duehit: especially if you join macavity's training program.
[00:22] <witz> amen to that
[00:22] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: .. and learn how to touch type (ktype can teach you that)
[00:23] <Kenny_Duehit> I understand the command line. I just am not fimiliar with all the available codes at my disposal
[00:23] <macavity> >_<
[00:23] <macavity> they are not "codes"
[00:23] Action: Kenny_Duehit is a bit of a programmer.  VHDL
[00:23] <macavity> they are commands
[00:24] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: are you aquainted with manpages?
[00:24] <Kenny_Duehit> a bit.  but some need explainetion to make sense
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[00:25] <macavity> you should read the following manpages: ls, cd, cp, mv, chmod, chown, su, clear, echo
[00:26] <macavity> .. or just go by slackbook.org as stated in the URL
[00:26] <macavity> and you need to learn how to use an editor
[00:26] <Kenny_Duehit> nano?
[00:26] <macavity> nano or joe are good beginner editors if all you need is to correct a few configuration files
[00:26] <fire|bird> vim ftw!!! :)
[00:26] <Kenny_Duehit> i hear emacs is powerful?
[00:27] <macavity> it is.. but a little hard to learn
[00:27] <Kenny_Duehit> I'll say!
[00:27] <macavity> save that for later
[00:27] <macavity> this is a crash cource
[00:27] <macavity> *course
[00:27] <Kenny_Duehit> took me 8 min just to EXIT emacs!
[00:27] <macavity> you need to be able to help yourself
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[00:28] <Kenny_Duehit> catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for life ;)
[00:28] <dive> emacs has everything including the kitchen sink. Vim on the other hand is much is just an editor
[00:28] <macavity> hence you must be able to use an editor to look at/edit configuration files
[00:28] <dive> -is much
[00:28] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: exactly
[00:29] <macavity> i think both emacs and vi sucks.. they have usability paradigms that are rather alien to people who grew up on modern computers
[00:29] <macavity> borlands "breif" editor is an editor i should really like to clone one day
[00:29] <macavity> *brief
[00:32] <macavity> i would like "kate for console" :P
[00:32] <dive> yeah kate is ok
[00:32] <fire|bird> lol
[00:33] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: I am going to shower and then try what you told me. bb in 20
[00:33] <macavity> kate is bloody awesome.. the only sour grape i have with it is that i dont bother learning how to make a personal indent style, and the preset options all annoy me just a little bit :P
[00:33] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: once you are done you should get someone in here to help you with editing the xorg.conf file to say "nvidia" instead of "vesa"
[00:33] <macavity> .. if i am not here..
[00:33] <dive> I dislike emacs because of the ctrl codes. Typing :w aka :write seems to make more sense
[00:33] <Kenny_Duehit> will do
[00:33] <macavity> uhm, hey, that could just be done with sed :P
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[00:34] <macavity> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa | sed s/vesa/nvidia/ > /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:34] <dive> wot?
[00:34] <macavity> that gives a working config with the nvidia driver every time
[00:35] <fire|bird> macavity: personal indent style, you just mean how far it indents, or other things too?
[00:35] <dive> sed -i 's/vesa/nvidia/g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:35] <dive> talk about cat misuse
[00:35] <macavity> dive: i am not so sure that his current xorg.conf is in a predictable state
[00:36] <macavity> dive: he has run a multitude of configuration tools, and i dont know if he has copied this or that over xorg.conf
[00:36] <dive> hmm
[00:36] <macavity> dive: thus, i want to use the one that i know the state of
[00:36] <dive> right
[00:36] <macavity> but yes.. i think i missed some 's there
[00:37] <macavity> no, i didnt
[00:37] <antiwire> I would rm all of them and use xorgsetup
[00:37] <antiwire> then just manually edit it for nvidia
[00:38] <macavity> antiwire: he doesnt really know how to use an editor :P
[00:38] <antiwire> nano is pretty damn self explanatory
[00:38] <dive> especially if he comes from dos 'edit'
[00:38] <macavity> yes, if you guess that ^G means ctrl+g
[00:38] <dive> which he probably does not though
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[00:53] <Emeauglobine> hehe, going to retrieve my new hardware before the week-end :)
[00:56] <mrselfpwn> a bud wants me to connect to his remote desktop though i'm on linux.  i know how to use rdesktop, but when you request one in windows to another msn user it isn't required to open the port usually in the router.
[00:56] <mrselfpwn> since i am not using msn client will he need to do so?
[00:57] <mrselfpwn> a simple port scan reveals no open ports on his ip
[00:57] <mrselfpwn> just wondering if i need to make him fiddle in the router or if there is an easier way
[00:57] <Emeauglobine> have you change the default windows "firewall" policy ?
[00:58] <mrselfpwn> k
[00:59] <mrselfpwn> he says yes and I told him to add exception for remote desktop
[00:59] <Emeauglobine> i guess you've configured your firewall ?
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[00:59] <mrselfpwn> well, he's in london and i'm in the states
[01:00] <gabriel_> i'm in chile
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[01:00] <mrselfpwn> my firewall is fine yes
[01:00] <Emeauglobine> and me in france
[01:00] <dive> fire|bird, sorry man - another upload of the theme - topic bar foreground colour was wrong
[01:00] <gabriel_> haha
[01:00] <Emeauglobine> :p
[01:01] <Emeauglobine> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/networking/expert/northrup_03may16.mspx
[01:02] <Emeauglobine> may that could help you figured out what's wrong
[01:02] <mrselfpwn> thx
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[01:03] <Emeauglobine> (first link in google with this query : remote desktop ports)
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[01:04] <fire|bird> dive: ok. any idea why when you type to me, your nick shows as: %%$[-12]0 ?
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[01:05] <dive> weird
[01:05] <dive> one sec
[01:05] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: SUCCESS on those steps
[01:05] <fire|bird> dive: yeah, really weird. It didn't do that until I changed to the new diversity theme. :P
[01:06] <dive> everyones nick or just when they type your name?
[01:06] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: nothing else extra needed in the readme either.  just uninstall information and switching scripts
[01:06] <fire|bird> dive: Umm, not sure. only noticed it when you typed my nick.
[01:06] <fire|bird> someone other than dive type my nick, please.
[01:06] <antiwire> fire|bird:
[01:06] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird: yes?
[01:06] <antiwire> fire|bird:
[01:07] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird: test
[01:07] <fire|bird> ok, that shows up as %%$[-12]0 too
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[01:07] <antiwire> fire|bird: fire|bird fire|bird fire|bird fire|bird fire|bird
[01:07] <fire|bird> haha
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[01:07] <Kenny_Duehit> lol
[01:07] <fire|bird> ok, that's enough. :)
[01:07] <fire|bird> dive: I guess anyone. :P
[01:07] <fire|bird> ok, I just switched the theme, someone try my nick again, please.
[01:07] <dive> works ok here - try downloading it again
[01:08] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird: test
[01:08] <dive> maybe file corruption
[01:08] <fire|bird> ok, that works, thanks Kenny_Duehit
[01:08] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird :test
[01:08] <dive> fire|bird,
[01:08] <fire|bird> dive: yeah, it's just the diversity theme, I'll try a redownload.
[01:08] <fire|bird> thanks
[01:08] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird: the first time I copy pastad your name the second i wrote it
[01:09] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird: I assume there is no funny unicode character in it?
[01:09] <fire|bird> Kenny_Duehit: ok, it worked both times now with a different theme. :P
[01:09] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: I'm looking at that link too; I think that will be your best bet
[01:09] <Kenny_Duehit> ah, I see
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[01:09] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: having your friend setup the web based remote desktop access
[01:09] <mrselfpwn> ah
[01:10] <antiwire> hmm wait
[01:10] <Kenny_Duehit> anyone know if macavity left? (afk)
[01:10] <antiwire> it requires an activeX control
[01:10] <mrselfpwn> will it be port 80?
[01:10] <antiwire> just read through that page really quick
[01:10] <fire|bird> Kenny_Duehit: he's still in the channel, just probably away from keyboard.
[01:10] <mrselfpwn> aight
[01:10] <mrselfpwn> thx
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[01:11] <fire|bird> someone type my nick again? please.
[01:11] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird: test
[01:12] <fire|bird> bah, dive, it isn't working after a redownload either.
[01:12] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:12] <dive> fire|bird, you will need to set theme xxx then set theme diversity.theme or the changes won't be applied
[01:12] <witz> fire|bird: :D
[01:12] <fire|bird> yeah, did that
[01:12] <mrselfpwn> i doubt i'll get very far with him anyways
[01:12] <mrselfpwn> he doesn't even know what an essid is
[01:12] <dive> did you install anything else?
[01:12] <fire|bird> dive: nope
[01:12] <mrselfpwn> nor what the name of his wireless network windows connects to is (aka essid)
[01:12] <dive> what did you download it with (client(?
[01:13] <fire|bird> dive: konq. I can try FF too. Would that make a difference?
[01:13] <dive> shouldn't do unless konq does something weird with .theme files
[01:13] <dive> worth a try though
[01:13] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: well using the request style RDP connection probably isn't going to work
[01:14] <antiwire> you'll need to help him just forward RDP through his router
[01:14] <mrselfpwn> no
[01:14] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:14] <mrselfpwn> i'm talking him through and actually got him into his router now
[01:14] <mrselfpwn> let's see if i can get him to open the port
[01:14] <fire|bird> dive: http://imagebin.org:80/55127
[01:15] <john_dee> why is that kde's taskbar reminds me of vista so bad %)
[01:15] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: the request style remote assistance uses some sort of XML file that contains a public key.
[01:15] <mrselfpwn> ah
[01:15] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: good luck getting that working, however krdc works fine with normal rdp connections
[01:15] <Kenny_Duehit> Question: how do I do a system wide search for a filename assuming I do not know the path to the file..?
[01:15] <mrselfpwn> that is good info to know
[01:15] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[01:16] <mrselfpwn> lol, antiwire thanks for the tip though there is a point where i stop caring.
[01:16] <fire|bird> ok, someone try my nick again, please. :P
[01:16] <antiwire> remote assistance requires a compatible guest and host OS but plain RDP connections from krdc to XP work fine
[01:16] <Kenny_Duehit> fire|bird: test
[01:16] <BP{k}> Kenny_Duehit: find(1) or slocate(1)
[01:16] <fire|bird> argh, it's still messed up.
[01:16] <mrselfpwn> i see
[01:16] <mrselfpwn> well his host is xp pro
[01:16] <Kenny_Duehit> BP{k}: thx
[01:16] <mrselfpwn> so it is compatible
[01:16] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: RDP is RDP and krdc supports it
[01:17] <dive> fire|bird, what is the output of /format pubmsg_hilight
[01:17] <fire|bird> dive: FF didn't do it either. :P
[01:17] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: you don't get the ability of the person on the other end to view what you do tough
[01:17] <antiwire> though*
[01:17] <fire|bird> dive: pubmsg_hilight = {pubmsghinick $0 $3 $1}$2
[01:17] <dive> fire|bird, can you join #diversity please?
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[01:17] <fire|bird> dive: sure
[01:18] <mrselfpwn> krdc you say it is?
[01:19] <mrselfpwn> i'll check it out
[01:20] <mrselfpwn> have you ever met the type that think they are computer geeks, but really don't know squat
[01:20] <mrselfpwn> even the difference between and internal and external ip
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[01:20] <mrselfpwn> but become offensive when you question their knowledge
[01:20] <mrselfpwn> this is the type of guy
[01:21] <antiwire> I'd let him flounder on his own then
[01:21] <mrselfpwn> want's everything done, but doesn't want to learn anything
[01:21] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: I just setup a VM so I can test this remote assistance method though. I might be able to make it work
[01:22] <mrselfpwn> sweet
[01:24] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: back
[01:24] <Kenny_Duehit> hey
[01:24] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: how far have you gotten?
[01:25] <mrselfpwn> yes, it would be a lot easier than walking someone through port forwarding and firewall settings.
[01:25] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: give me a second reading a man page on find.   gotta try to find a file.
[01:25] <macavity> which one?
[01:25] <mrselfpwn> locate works well too kenny_duehit
[01:25] <Kenny_Duehit> too late, reading find
[01:26] <macavity> mrselfpwn: only if he has an up to date db.. and i suspect it is the sbopkg tgz he cant find...
[01:26] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: find / -name name-of-file-you-have-lost
[01:26] <mrselfpwn> updatedb
[01:27] <Kenny_Duehit> it's running,  does it normally take long?
[01:27] <mrselfpwn> macavity, when does the system auto updatedb?
[01:27] <macavity> it is inspecting each and every single file on the computer untill it finds what you are looking for
[01:27] <macavity> mrselfpwn: at 04:40
[01:28] <mrselfpwn> seriously?
[01:28] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: but am i right that it is the sbopkg install file you are looking for?
[01:28] <macavity> mrselfpwn: yes.. look over the crontab for root
[01:28] <mrselfpwn> aight
[01:28] <mrselfpwn> thx
[01:29] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: find / -name XF86Config -type f      is what I ran.   still has not returned to bash....did i do it wrong?
[01:30] <macavity> you are not doing what i told you to do
[01:30] <Kenny_Duehit> i know
[01:30] <Kenny_Duehit> i did what i understood from the man pages
[01:30] <Kenny_Duehit> had to try on my own first
[01:30] <macavity> i dont thing XF86Config is part of the xorg distribution any more
[01:30] <macavity> *think
[01:31] <Kenny_Duehit> O
[01:31] <macavity> i belive it has been superseeded by xorgconfig
[01:31] <macavity> but you cant use that
[01:31] <Kenny_Duehit> true.  I am reading a post from 2004  :D
[01:31] <macavity> as it doesnt know about out-of-distribution drivers like nvidia
[01:31] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: Ok, I'm now certain that the remote assistance' component of windows XP will not work with Linux clients
[01:31] <macavity> now, can we get back on track?
[01:31] <Kenny_Duehit> sure
[01:31] <macavity> have you installed sbopkg yet?
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> ahh
[01:32] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: it spits out some binary XML crap
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> so i suspected
[01:32] <Kenny_Duehit> I did what you said. everything went off flawlessly
[01:32] <Kenny_Duehit> kernel and driver
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> intentional you think?
[01:32] <john_dee> do i need to put a user to some group so that i can use suspend2ram/disk?
[01:32] <macavity> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa | sed s/vesa/nvidia/ > /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:32] <macavity> ^^ that should set xorg.conf up to use the right driver
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[01:33] <macavity> type that off, then run startx
[01:33] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: well intentional to a certain degree. This type of additional functionality requires more stuff to make happen
[01:33] <antiwire> I'm going to try to setup that web based thing now
[01:33] <antiwire> ...but since it uses some active X control I doubt it will work on linux
[01:33] <mrselfpwn> yes, that should be interesting
[01:34] <mrselfpwn> right
[01:34] <antiwire> all I did was redirect ports 127.0.0.1:3389 and 127.0.0.1:80 using qemu-kvm to go into my VM
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[01:34] <antiwire> so it makes testing this easy
[01:35] <mrselfpwn> sweet
[01:35] <mrselfpwn> kvm is not supported on my processor sadly
[01:36] <mrselfpwn> if kvm isn't supported does that mean that virtualbox and others are not as well?
[01:37] <macavity> your CPU does not have virtualization on hardware
[01:37] <macavity> that means that if you run virtual machines it will be somewhat slow
[01:37] <mrselfpwn> it's the intel atom in my netbook
[01:37] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: not necessarily, you just won't have the speed enhancements
[01:37] <mrselfpwn> i see
[01:37] <antiwire> hmm I wouldn't suggest running an XP vm on a netbook...at least not yet
[01:37] <mrselfpwn> that's why i haven't even attempted virtualbox.  i figured it would be intolerable.
[01:38] <macavity> if my intel is correct, then virtualbox is faster than kvm/qemu if you dont have the good hardware
[01:39] <mrselfpwn> ahh
[01:39] <antiwire> umm what?
[01:39] <antiwire> I get nearly native speeds using KVM
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[01:39] <antiwire> probably around 95-98%
[01:39] <macavity> yes.. because you have virtualization support
[01:39] <mrselfpwn> on lower grade hardware
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> right
[01:40] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: ran it, now my X crashes upon startup
[01:40] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: were you in X before?
[01:40] <antiwire> you just said that vbox would be faster than kvm/qemu if you don't have the hardware that supports those features. that makes no sense
[01:40] <kenny_duehitt> i was in it before, but logged out to run the command
[01:40] <kenny_duehitt> as root of course
[01:41] <mrselfpwn> actually i removed virtualization from the kernel except for vm86
[01:41] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:41] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: and start up x again
[01:42] <macavity> no WAIT
[01:42] <macavity> cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log.backup *before* you start up x again
[01:42] <macavity> i need to know why it is insisting on fucking on like that
[01:43] <kenny_duehitt> k
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[01:47] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: Web based remote access confirmed to not work under linux due to ActiveX plugin requirements
[01:47] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: you're stuck using VNC or normal RDP
[01:47] <macavity> antiwire: ive heard from some of the people in here who use virtual machines a lot that vbox/vmware are faster than qemu if you dont have vme/vmx support in CPU
[01:47] <mrselfpwn> or have them open up the correct ports in their firewalls
[01:48] <macavity> antiwire: but they, and hence i, could be wrong
[01:48] <antiwire> macavity: Well that makes sense, initially it sounded like you meant the non accelerated box was faster than kvm+qemu
[01:48] <antiwire> and I can assure you that is not so
[01:48] <macavity> O_o
[01:48] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: nope, won't work
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[01:48] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: remote assistance simply will not work on linux
[01:48] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: http://pastebin.com/d111af1c
[01:49] <antiwire> you can only use the normal RDP connection. period.
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[01:49] <antiwire> which requires port forwarding anyway
[01:49] <mrselfpwn> i connect to another machine using rdesktop
[01:49] <antiwire> ...
[01:49] <mrselfpwn> very often
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[01:49] <antiwire> rdesktop is just the client
[01:49] <antiwire> dude.
[01:49] <mrselfpwn> right
[01:49] <antiwire> ok let me explain this
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[01:49] <mrselfpwn> go ahead, though i'm know what you mean
[01:50] <rucinter> slackware.com is UP :)
[01:50] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: this is odd.. there is no error in that log
[01:50] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: from xorg's point of view, everything went all right
[01:51] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: that is the backup version, right?
[01:51] <antiwire> remote assistance is the added layer on top of RDP. RDP is the plain old remote desktop protocol and yes, it works fine. Remote Assistance is different; the person requests your help and you connect to their system and they can watch when you use remote assistance but it requires windows on each end. the plain "remote desktop" does not require windows on each end because it doesn't have the added functionality.
[01:51] <mrselfpwn> the requested remoted desktop connection method will not work
[01:51] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: yes the backup
[01:51] Action: macavity scratches head
[01:51] <mrselfpwn> right
[01:51] <mrselfpwn> i understand that
[01:51] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log too
[01:51] <antiwire> both methods require ports forwarded though
[01:51] <mrselfpwn> i need him to turn on rdp and forward the correct port
[01:52] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: what I saw was my screen say power off and i could not change between tty's and everything was unresponsive
[01:52] <antiwire> unless UPNP works for the remote person's end
[01:52] <mrselfpwn> let me ask you this antiwire
[01:52] Nick change: dive -> xxx|yyy
[01:52] <mrselfpwn> will simply selecting "allow remote connection" in the windows remote desktop settings enable the rdp?
[01:52] Nick change: xxx|yyy -> dive
[01:52] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: ok, that we can work with :-)
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> and just forwarding port 3389 work
[01:53] <antiwire> yeah, then make sure windows firewall has the remote desktop exception enabled and the router has 3389 forwarded
[01:53] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: can i see the above anyway?
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> okay
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> cool
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[01:53] <mrselfpwn> we are at step: Router Port Forward :)
[01:53] <antiwire> lol
[01:53] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d27277c93
[01:54] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: Testing remote assistance and terminal services web access from Linux to windows was something I had be meaning to do and you got me to finally find out the answers.
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[01:54] <mrselfpwn> #
[01:54] <mrselfpwn> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
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[01:54] <mrselfpwn> yes
[01:55] <mrselfpwn> that is awesome that we know that now
[01:55] <mrselfpwn> i have been wondering myself for a while
[01:55] Nick change: dive -> test
[01:55] Nick change: test -> dive
[01:55] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: I bet putting IE into WINE would let us use the web access methods
[01:55] <mrselfpwn> would it be plausible for a program such as amsn to implement it?
[01:55] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: just a seccond..
[01:56] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: Maybe but it depends on being able to read that lame XML binary file
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> or because of activex no go?
[01:56] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: no worries
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[01:56] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: well, web access method uses the activeX and remote assistance uses the XML thing
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> right
[01:56] <antiwire> so we are stuck with the plain old RDP for now
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> i see
[01:57] <antiwire> I'm not about to try to stuff IE into wine either
[01:57] <mrselfpwn> heck no
[01:57] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: i belive it is your monitor section that gets fscked up
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[01:58] <mrselfpwn> i don't even have wine on my netbook
[01:58] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: as in, it was not the nvidia stuff that didnt work, rather that your monitor went bonkers because the video card tried to set a mode the monitor cant handle
[01:59] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: ill just have to try something and come back.. hang on
[01:59] <dtanner> Can someone look at this and tell me that I am not going crazy and this script is wrong. details in the paste what I am looking at. TIA -> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/i32P0B99.html
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[02:00] <antiwire> dtanner: line 6
[02:01] <antiwire> oh shit I see what you mean now
[02:01] <dtanner> not looking at that part. look in "finction stop" looking for $pid before it is defined
[02:01] <dtanner> function*
[02:01] <antiwire> I wonder if line 30 is supposed to be $PIDFILE instead of $pid
[02:02] <dtanner> yeah, i am very tired and wanted to confirm this
[02:02] <dtanner> thanks
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[02:02] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: exit x, type xorgsetup and follow the onscreen instructions
[02:03] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: and let it over write your current config
[02:03] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: then come back
[02:03] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: if it refuses to start afterwards, cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:03] <antiwire> dtanner: if line 30 was using -e for $PIDFILE then it seems like it would make more sense to me.
[02:04] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: ok, my laptop will stay logged in here as Kenny_Duehitt
[02:04] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: that is probably a good idea :-P
[02:04] <antiwire> check for the pid file, if it exists, kill the program using that pid
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[02:05] <dtanner> antiwire: correct. thanks for confirming.
[02:05] <antiwire> and because I'm a bastard I also think lines 10 and 11 should let you know about the stale file ;)
[02:06] <dtanner> just an echo ya mean ?
[02:06] <antiwire> yeah
[02:06] <dtanner> toss a coin on that one
[02:06] <antiwire> jusr because I like to know about stale pid files since it could be notice of an issue during shutdowns or reboots
[02:06] <antiwire> but that's just me
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[02:07] <dtanner> and there is also a /var/run/ConsoleKit/database that is dynamically created that needs deleting upon stoping the daemon
[02:07] <antiwire> is it bad if that's not deleted?
[02:08] <dtanner> err /var/lib/run/ConsoleKit/database
[02:08] <dtanner> which I need to edit also for PIDFILE to reflect the correct path
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[02:08] <dtanner> not sure if ti is BAD that it is not deleted.. but I will find out soonish
[02:09] <macavity> ok.. Savage2 will not run on Intel 945GM :P
[02:09] <macavity> Savage2 - Fatal Error: OpenGL 2.1 not available.
[02:09] <macavity> Savage2 - Fatal Error: Segmentation Fault
[02:09] <macavity> what a nice way to advice the user to get better hardware, huh? :P
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[02:11] <antiwire> I feel really stupid for being able to read most scripts just fine but when it comes to creating my own I have to constantly refer to the manuals for syntax
[02:11] <antiwire> wtf si wrong with me
[02:11] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: it hung and crashed my system
[02:12] <macavity> xorgsetup or startx?
[02:12] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: it ran fine and seemed to return to the bash fine, but same style of crash as before.
[02:12] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: startx
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[02:13] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: make a backup of the new xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[02:13] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: then copy the vesa backup over xorg.conf like before
[02:13] <kenny_duehitt> will do
[02:13] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: startx and pastebin the other two
[02:16] <macavity> brb
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[02:18] <macavity> much better...
[02:18] <macavity> EXA is really no good on -current
[02:18] <macavity> UXA is much much better
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[02:22] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: http://pastebin.com/d60ee1f0a and http://pastebin.com/d5ee4a638
[02:23] <antiwire> this is about the best depiction of DNA->Protein I have ever seen. I wish we had this type of explanation tool when I was in school http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM
[02:24] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: i cannot give you a sure reason to why this happens... the generated xorg.conf IS correct
[02:24] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: you *may* get around this by looking up the specs for your monitor and sticking those values into the Monitor section
[02:25] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: should I try and run this? NVIDIA-Linux-x86-180.29-pkg0.run
[02:25] <macavity> no
[02:25] <antiwire> comment out the load glx
[02:25] <macavity> you may try the nvidia-config or what its name was, but i dont think it will help
[02:26] <macavity> antiwire has a point
[02:26] <antiwire> nvidia prop. drivers have their own glx component, don't load that module
[02:26] <Kenny_Duehit> in windows my monitor supports up to 1600x1200
[02:26] <antiwire> get rid of that DRI load too
[02:26] <Motoko-chan> nVidia cards should auto-detect correctly.
[02:27] <Kenny_Duehit> I also currently have 2 screens plugged in...but i don't see that interfering....
[02:27] <antiwire> Motoko-chan: well in case you haven't been following, it's not working for him
[02:28] <Kenny_Duehit> comment out the glx in the xorg?
[02:28] <Motoko-chan> Ah.
[02:28] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: http://pastebin.com/m1d4263ba
[02:28] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: are you using any framebuffer drivers?
[02:28] <dtanner> hmmm i have Load glx in my xorg.conf.. I have an nvidia. I guess I need to get rid of it then. I wonder if that is why I am getting low fps?
[02:28] <Motoko-chan> nVidia's configure tool should re-write the config correctly.
[02:28] <macavity> Motoko-chan: it didnt work the last time..
[02:28] <Kenny_Duehit> antiwire: I don't know
[02:28] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: you are not
[02:29] <Kenny_Duehit> =-O
[02:29] <dtanner> Motoko-chan: well, ti will (should) be a working config but prolly not optimal. but a good starting point.
[02:29] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: when you boot up do you see some penguins?
[02:29] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: remove the glx and the dri lines and copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try again.. you know what to do if it blows up :P
[02:30] <Kenny_Duehit> when I boot I get the penguin and the standard verbose load to login bash
[02:30] <Kenny_Duehit> it all goes to shit when I startx
[02:30] <antiwire> ok
[02:30] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: that is what we are trying to fix
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[02:30] <antiwire> see if the the dri and glx commenting helps first
[02:30] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: basically take the pastebin you gave me and rewite it to my xconf  ?
[02:30] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: this is the xorg driver we are bugging with anyways.. the pinguins and the console text is another department
[02:30] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: yes
[02:31] <Kenny_Duehit> in that paste bin did you already remove the glx?
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[02:31] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: yes
[02:31] <Kenny_Duehit> k
[02:31] <lamenick> just finished installing slackware-current with kde
[02:31] <dtanner> for sure the DRI should be gone. the load glx should not crash you. but they say it is not needed. a new one on me. i will delete mine and see if my fps improves.
[02:31] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: if you happen to crash, start the system by passing vga=normal at the lilo prompt like this   lilo: Linux vga=normal
[02:31] <lamenick> I ran top and it says that close to 800mb of ram is being used
[02:31] Action: dtanner throws lamenick a bone.
[02:31] <lamenick> is this normal?
[02:32] <macavity> antiwire: you gotta be kidding me? are the nvidia drivers *that* rotten?
[02:32] <lamenick> is kde so gluttonous when it comes to resources?
[02:32] <macavity> lamenick: free -m
[02:32] <dtanner> macavity: i never have any problems whatsoever with nvidia binary drivers
[02:32] <antiwire> macavity: well there is a for sure conflict with the prop drivers and nvidiafb and some people also have issue with the normal vesa driver conflicting too.
[02:32] <dtanner> macavity: i have always liked them
[02:33] <macavity> lamenick: fetch your calculator and subtract the cached memory from used memory to see your actual usage
[02:33] <antiwire> the nvidia driver shouldn't even build at all if it detects nvidiafb though
[02:33] <dtanner> sometimes the fb needs to be changed
[02:34] <macavity> antiwire: slackware runs vesafb by default.. you need to pass kernel parameters to make it load nvidiafb
[02:34] <antiwire> well if he crashes he might as well eliminate one more variable
[02:34] <macavity> i still belive it is becuase the monitor goes out of sync
[02:34] <macavity> but lets try the ditching of glx and dri first
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[02:35] <macavity> fire|bird: you are late!.. and where is my coffee?
[02:35] <antiwire> he stopped talking, he's probably dead
[02:35] <kenny_duehitt> me?
[02:35] <antiwire> haha
[02:35] <macavity> no, he is just not so fast at working the command line :P
[02:35] <fire|bird> macavity: haha, whoops
[02:35] <macavity> :P
[02:36] <kenny_duehitt> just busy trying all this stuff
[02:36] Action: kenny_duehitt is not a speed demon!
[02:36] <antiwire> when you're done with all that: sudo make_me_a_turkey_sandwich
[02:36] <macavity> i want pastrami on rye
[02:36] <kenny_duehitt> try the -extra turkey sometime
[02:37] <macavity> we are GNU fanatics, so we use long opts: --enable-extra-turkey
[02:37] <macavity> or export TURKEYLEVEL=2
[02:38] <dtanner> hahah -> How do I type "for i in *.dvi do xdvi $i done" in a GUI? -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces
[02:38] <antiwire> I'm eating chocolate cake and drinking a becks
[02:38] <dtanner> i love turkey sandwiches
[02:38] <macavity> dtanner: that is at least 10 years old :P
[02:38] Action: fire|bird sends a 55 gal container of coffee macavity's way. :)
[02:38] <lamenick> thanks macavity, it makes more sense now :)
[02:39] <fire|bird> macavity: that enough?
[02:39] <macavity> woha! i ain't gonna sleep for a year!
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[02:39] <fire|bird> hahaha
[02:39] Action: macavity starts bouncing off the walls
[02:39] <fire|bird> macavity: sleep is over rated anyway. :P
[02:39] <antiwire> I think we talked about doing lines of caffeine in here before
[02:39] <fire|bird> macavity: don't worry, these walls are padded.
[02:39] <antiwire> my buddy tried it once
[02:39] <macavity> fire|bird: nope.. i like to stay awake for ~18 hours and then sleep for like 10
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[02:40] <antiwire> he was up for 2 days and took the biggest crap of his life
[02:40] <fire|bird> antiwire: Well, he got all the pipes cleaned out then. :P
[02:41] <kenny_duehitt> if I only change the xorg, I don't need to reboot the whole system, just X....right?
[02:41] <fire|bird> Argh, there's another storm on it's way. :P
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[02:41] <antiwire> we learned that a half ounce of pure caffeine goes a long way too http://www.aonevitamins.com/caffeine.htm
[02:41] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: just x
[02:41] <kenny_duehitt> good
[02:42] <macavity> antiwire: jesus.. 14 grams of pure caffeine should be enough to kill a whale
[02:42] <antiwire> yeah
[02:42] <antiwire> so we were careful
[02:43] <antiwire> just .25g was more than enough to REALLY get you going
[02:43] <macavity> why didn't you just do some drugs?
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[02:44] <antiwire> because caffeine isn't misdemeanorous
[02:44] <kenny_duehitt> http://pastebin.com/m1d4263ba   that is my xorg.conf   got a parse error on line 84 of section screen   unexpected EOF
[02:44] <kenny_duehitt> missing endsection keyword
[02:44] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: you forgot to have a line break at the end
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[02:44] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: open it in nano
[02:44] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: go to the bottom
[02:44] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: hit enter
[02:44] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: save it
[02:44] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: try again....
[02:44] <fire|bird> this is just horrible: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/08/national/main5144629.shtml
[02:45] <kenny_duehitt> saving in nano is known as writeout, correct?
[02:45] <macavity> yes
[02:45] <mrselfpwn> ping antiwire
[02:45] <antiwire> i'm here
[02:45] <mrselfpwn> okay
[02:45] <antiwire> mark me down for points
[02:45] <mrselfpwn> i had him set it up
[02:45] <mrselfpwn> lol
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[02:46] <mrselfpwn> now we have rdesktop able to connect
[02:46] <antiwire> cool
[02:46] Action: fire|bird antiwire gets 15 points
[02:46] <mrselfpwn> though when i go to login with the account he created for me
[02:46] <mrselfpwn> it says he is logged in and would be logged out for me to continue.  I know that on the other machine i connect to more than one can be logged in at a time.
[02:47] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: what OS is the other machine>?
[02:47] <mrselfpwn> albeit the other machine is server 2003
[02:47] <antiwire> that's why
[02:47] <antiwire> XP home and pro only support 1 user at a time if remote desktop is one of the users
[02:47] <antiwire> w2k3 is using terminal services so it's different
[02:47] <mrselfpwn> yes
[02:48] <mrselfpwn> i know i can google this though is there anyway to bypass that as often there are for other caveats?
[02:48] <macavity> fire|bird: death by chokolate :P
[02:48] <antiwire> As far as I know, there is no way to safely allow multiple users
[02:48] <antiwire> at least for home or pro
[02:48] <kenny_duehitt> ok, crashed. I'm going to keep this xorg.conf and pass lilo the vga=normal
[02:49] <fire|bird> macavity: yeah, fell into the vat while the machine was mixing.
[02:49] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: you know how to revert to a system that will start
[02:49] <mrselfpwn> well we use the word safely loosely around here ;)
[02:49] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: there might be some hackish writeups telling you to take some files form w2k3 and copy them over
[02:49] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: huh?
[02:49] <mrselfpwn> ahh
[02:49] <antiwire> like the TS libs and stuff like that
[02:49] <mrselfpwn> i see
[02:49] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: honestly, VNC is easier
[02:49] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: you know how to copy over a working xorg.conf if things go wrong, right?
[02:49] <mrselfpwn> it would required system files to be copied
[02:50] <antiwire> yeah
[02:50] <mrselfpwn> yes i know, but i've gotten him this far lol
[02:50] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: i have to go somewhere, but i dont want to leave you with your pants down
[02:50] <fire|bird> macavity: It's horrible, but, that batch would be chocolate chunks. (he was removed though, of course)
[02:50] <mrselfpwn> i got him to give me access to the router and create an admin account for me on his pc
[02:50] <antiwire> mrselfpwn: well it will still work for you but he'll be logged off and won't be able to see what you do
[02:50] <mrselfpwn> right
[02:50] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: hahaha  yea, I know how to copy the vesa back over the regular
[02:50] <macavity> fire|bird: now, do you think they actually threw out all that expensive raw cokolate? :P
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[02:51] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: if the vga=normal thing doesnt work you can try looking at the monitor section
[02:51] <fire|bird> macavity: I've thought about that. I would, for safety sake, hope so, but, you never know
[02:51] <mrselfpwn> okay, i'll see about getting the vnc route later
[02:51] <mrselfpwn> thanks
[02:51] <fire|bird> the storm is here, I have to be going. See ya tomorrow guys.
[02:51] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: look in the vesa one and see how the horizontal and vertical speeds are set, then look up the specs on your monitor and set them accordingly
[02:51] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: i shall, but I'm not too sure what to look for :(
[02:51] <fire|bird> see ya macavity
[02:52] <fire|bird> later mrselfpwn
[02:52] <mrselfpwn> later bud
[02:52] <mrselfpwn> storm hit me earlier
[02:52] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: will do
[02:52] <fire|bird> bye kenny_duehitt, oh, and pull your friggen pants up for gosh sake.
[02:52] <kenny_duehitt> macavity: thx for all the aids ;)
[02:52] <fire|bird> :P
[02:52] <mrselfpwn> keep up the photography ;)
[02:52] <macavity> fire|bird: will you help kenny_duehitt with HorizSync and VertReresh in xorg.conf?
[02:52] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: will do.
[02:53] <mrselfpwn> maybe we can correlate some slackware work together later
[02:53] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: no problem :-)
[02:53] <fire|bird> macavity: yikes, I haven't had to mess with that in a while. LCD and DVI. :)
[02:53] <mrselfpwn> photo wise :)
[02:53] <kenny_duehitt> yea, vga=normal crashed too.  :(
[02:53] Action: kenny_duehitt shakes fist in the air
[02:53] <macavity> fire|bird: well.. you know how to look up a monitors specs, and you know where to stick it in the xorg.conf, right?
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[02:53] <fire|bird> yeah
[02:54] <slava_dp> audacious 2.1 is out three days ago! woo!
[02:54] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: i do belive that it is the nvidia driver that attempts to run your monitor way out of sync
[02:54] <fire|bird> I have to get going now though, it's storming here.
[02:54] <macavity> lol
[02:54] <fire|bird> thunder, lightning, all that good stuff.
[02:54] <macavity> then you cant help him :P
[02:54] <kenny_duehitt> ha
[02:54] <fire|bird> macavity: nope, not now anyway.
[02:54] <kenny_duehitt> fail
[02:54] <fire|bird> kenny_duehitt: sorry. :P
[02:54] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: i am going to present you with some BOGUS exable
[02:54] <kenny_duehitt> no worries
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[02:55] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: you have to look up the specs for your monitor and edit the numbers so they become correct
[02:55] <kenny_duehitt> fire|bird: no worries
[02:55] <kenny_duehitt> will do
[02:55] <kenny_duehitt> google is my friend
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[02:57] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: http://pastebin.com/m601fa03e
[02:58] <macavity> kenny_duehitt: do you roger what that says?
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[02:59] <kenny_duehitt> yes
[02:59] <kenny_duehitt> I will do my best to make sense of it
[02:59] <macavity> if that doesnt work, then the only thing we can conclude is that the nvidia driver does not like your system and so you will have to make due with the vesa driver :-/
[02:59] <kenny_duehitt> this is nothing time critical either.. I have windows on another hard drive for playing games andwhatnot if need be ;)
[02:59] <macavity> you should just need to change the numbers 30-64 and 40-90 into what the manufacture says your monitor can handle
[03:00] <kenny_duehitt> but I will certainly give it my best shot.  I wanna be a slacker!!
[03:00] <macavity> that is the spirit!
[03:00] <macavity> ok.. i'll have to go now
[03:00] <kenny_duehitt> have a good whatever
[03:00] Action: kenny_duehitt salutes
[03:00] Action: macavity gulps the last of the coffee and bid all the nice people a happy hacking session
[03:01] Action: macavity over and out
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[03:03] <antiwire> I really wish there was a "happy hacking" type of people group around here
[03:03] <kenny_duehitt> happy hacking seems a bit an oxymoron, no?
[03:03] <jeev> i used to hax0r the planet
[03:04] <antiwire> the closest thing I have found is a LUG that isn't exactly cutting edge or edgy at all for that matter
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[03:04] <antiwire> jeev and Necos are close but I think the national guard would be called out if we got together
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[03:05] <jmoncayo> hey guys, sorry to bother in here, but could someone please help me with an iptables problem
[03:06] <jmoncayo> jmoncayo: i am not able to comunicate from lan to dmz
[03:06] <jeev> antiwire, the national guard comes over every time i go to the bathroom
[03:06] <antiwire> lol
[03:06] <mrselfpwn> where are you located antiwire?
[03:06] <antiwire> ventura county, southern california
[03:06] <jeev> jmoncayo, i dunno man ask away, maybe one will help
[03:06] <jeev> i dont know if you'll get iptables support here though
[03:06] <jeev> there is an iptables channel on freenode
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[03:08] <jmoncayo> http://pastebin.ca/1489314 , thats my firewall, my network is eth0 internet, eth1 lan, eth2 dmz, from dmz i can get to the internet and from the internet to the dmz, from the lan i can get to the internet, from the lan i cannot connect to the servers inthe dmz
[03:08] <juice> roadrunner had a burp
[03:08] <mrselfpwn> ahh
[03:08] <mrselfpwn> i'm in SC
[03:08] <juice> tried calling them and there system must have got reset
[03:08] <juice> s/there/their
[03:09] <mrselfpwn> SELF (southeastern linux festival) is held here
[03:09] <juice> i look down after I tried calling and my cable light came on
[03:09] <mrselfpwn> ended up missing this years
[03:09] <antiwire> I went to a couple Los Angeles 2600 meetings but that sucked. The magazine is better than the meetings.
[03:10] <antiwire> juice: demand credits for the down time
[03:10] <antiwire> I always do
[03:10] <juice> heh
[03:10] <dtanner> someone smack me so i can remember how to start elvis to put the prompt at an exact line number. ie: say i want to open a file and start editing at line "1,2,3" . or is that a valid switch. seems i remember it was and i can't find it in the manpage
[03:10] <mrselfpwn> i think rworkman was speaking at this one.  i was pissed that i let it slip by me
[03:10] <jeev> antiwire, you're still on chizartizer ?
[03:10] <juice> it only last 5 minutes here
[03:10] <antiwire> jeev: that's all i can get
[03:10] <juice> happened in the middle of me watching a youtube video
[03:10] <juice> I was like what the crap
[03:10] <juice> then saw the modem light was off
[03:11] <jeev> no gay-verse?
[03:11] <antiwire> jeev: I tried at&t dsl but I'm just barely out of range
[03:11] <jeev> ahh
[03:11] <dtanner> antiwire: i am barely out of range for u-verse also
[03:11] <jeev> i got uverse
[03:12] <jeev> better than charter
[03:12] <juice> not sure if it is around here but I don't like at&
[03:12] <juice> t
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[03:12] <dtanner> I have at&t dsl. the fastest i can get here. at&t dsl has been very stable here. no outages at all.
[03:12] <mrselfpwn> i have roadrunner at the house
[03:12] <jeev> i prefer dslextreme
[03:12] <jeev> rides off verizon or att
[03:12] <mrselfpwn> their dns is better then some
[03:13] <jeev> dslextreme is even pimping out 50 meg fiber in fios area's
[03:13] <mrselfpwn> but i use opendns
[03:13] <jeev> i run my own dns, 9 and 14ms avg from me
[03:13] <mrselfpwn> nice
[03:13] <jeev> i got servers at one wilshire and in irvine
[03:13] <jeev> for dns.. for me
[03:13] <mrselfpwn> i would, as soon as i get the long awaited server up and running
[03:13] <juice> this is only the 3rd time or so in a year it has been down
[03:13] <juice> the sad thing is even with my old isp everytime it was down was when I was on the net surfing then it dies
[03:13] <juice> never when I am gone or don't really care if I am online
[03:13] <jeev> rest of my network is value pretty much for pron
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[03:25] <kenny_duehitt> when "ZAxisMapping" for my IMPS/2 mouse, what is the difference between "4 5" and "6 7" ??
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[03:32] <kenny_duehitt> antiwire: when "ZAxisMapping" for my IMPS/2 mouse, what is the difference between "4 5" and "6 7" ??
[03:33] <antiwire> how many buttons do you have?
[03:33] <kenny_duehitt> 4 button 1 mouse click and the scroll
[03:33] <antiwire> usually, the wheel motions rolling forward and back are buttons 4 &5 and buttons 6&7 are the thumb buttons...*usually*
[03:33] <kenny_duehitt> ahhh
[03:34] <kenny_duehitt> my mouse: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/187&cl=US,EN
[03:34] <stillborn> did anyone install fglrx to current slack
[03:35] <antiwire> my Microsoft Bluetooth notebook mouse 5000 has a thumb button that does the same thing as the push down on the mouse wheel and the roll forward and back motions on the wheel are 4&5
[03:36] <antiwire> so even though my mouse as 6 push able buttons, two of them send the same code so I really only have 5 definable buttons
[03:36] <antiwire> as/has
[03:39] <jeev> i'd never use wireless mouse/keyboard
[03:39] <jeev> laptop/desktop, NMEVER
[03:39] <antiwire> because you're like that
[03:39] <jeev> i'd rather use vagisil as my shaving cream
[03:39] <antiwire> this mouse kickass
[03:40] <jeev> traffic is low this month
[03:40] <jeev> i'm going to surplus 100mbit
[03:40] <antiwire> in fact ai bet my bluetooth mouse has better resolution than your wired mouse
[03:40] <jeev> i have nothing to use it for bah
[03:40] <jeev> i need to sell it
[03:41] <kenny_duehitt> i think mine acts the same way. when i push mouse wheel or the thumb back in firefox a message pops up saying "the URL is not valid and cannot be loaded."
[03:41] <kenny_duehitt> it's doing SOMETHING!
[03:41] <kenny_duehitt> :D
[03:41] Channel flood from kenny_duehitt -- kicking
[03:41] <kenny_duehitt> and thumb forward and right click are the same...
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[03:42] <antiwire> that must have been lag
[03:42] <jeev> heh
[03:42] <jeev> he must be on charter
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[03:42] <jeev> ahh, close
[03:42] <jeev> lol
[03:42] <antiwire> hahaha
[03:43] <antiwire> kenny_duehitt: your network lag got you nailed for a flood
[03:43] <kenny_duehitt> orly?
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[03:43] <kenny_duehitt> I don't remember doing sudo lag-network
[03:44] <antiwire> on my end it appeared that you some how manged to type ~46 words across 4 lines in 1 second
[03:44] <kenny_duehitt> wow!
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[03:44] <kenny_duehitt> i got nothing but slackboy saying i was kicked for flooding
[03:44] <kenny_duehitt> :D
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[03:45] <nix_chix0r> jeev, we got our first real laughs and giggles out of little similac sucker today
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[03:51] <jeev> what's that nix_chix0r
[03:51] <jeev> the baby?
[03:51] <nix_chix0r> yeah
[03:51] <jeev> how old
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[03:51] <nix_chix0r> like all day he was just smiling and gurgling so weird. but awesome at the same time. he turns 4months on the 18th
[03:52] <jeev> ahh
[03:52] <jeev> but he's still producing turd at a high rate
[03:52] <nix_chix0r> creeps me out with some of his facial expressions. they remind me of an adult the smirks and the raised eye brows and winking. i swear he's mocking me
[03:52] <jeev> baby's know what they're doing
[03:53] <nix_chix0r> it just seems like a coincidense with the smirks at jus the right time when you're talking to him
[03:53] <jeev> oh
[03:53] <jeev> well i doubt they understand
[03:53] <antiwire> .
[03:53] <antiwire> router changes
[03:53] <jeev> he was probably making fun of you
[03:54] <nix_chix0r> yeah i think so
[03:54] <nix_chix0r> i accidentally drooled on him
[03:54] <jeev> eww
[03:54] <jeev> that should be the opposite
[03:55] <nix_chix0r> juggling him and trying to eat lunch the saw the pickle and my mouth just startied to drool
[03:55] <jeev> heh
[03:56] <jeev> ok
[03:56] <jeev> good night
[03:57] <nix_chix0r> nini
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[04:01] <jeev> anyway
[04:01] <jeev> before i leave, this is a pic of antiwire (to the left) http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/when-you-shouldnt-wear-tight-jeans.jpg
[04:01] <jeev> good night
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[04:01] <kenny_duehitt> night
[04:02] <mrselfpwn> antiwire, where'd you get that shirt?
[04:02] <kenny_duehitt> antiwire: TAKE ME NOW BABY!
[04:02] <mrselfpwn> i just gotta have it.
[04:02] <jeev> http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/userimages/user756_1177144711.jpg
[04:02] <mrselfpwn> lmao
[04:02] <mrselfpwn> i bet that guy uses gentoo
[04:03] <jeev> looks like a fedora user
[04:03] <antiwire> lmao
[04:03] <mrselfpwn> the first or second?
[04:04] <antiwire> 1st is awesome
[04:04] <mrselfpwn> hmm
[04:04] <kenny_duehitt> first looks like he has a decent rack
[04:04] <antiwire> the 2nd has far too much mooseknuckle going on
[04:05] <mrselfpwn> lmao
[04:05] <mrselfpwn> first one uses windows because it's safe for kids
[04:05] <mrselfpwn> ;)
[04:06] <mrselfpwn> second i'm sad to say is kenny_duehitt
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[04:08] <kenny_duehitt> >:o
[04:08] <mrselfpwn> i just wonder who the photographer was
[04:09] <kenny_duehitt> I'm about to reboot, after changing lilo....this could make or break my whole day!
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[04:11] <kenny_duehitt> well it doesn't dual boot windows like I had hoped, but at least slackware still boots :)
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[04:12] <antiwire> does anyone have a write up that explains the basics of setting up a chroot for the specific context of package building?
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[04:15] <macavity> man.. i wonder why irssi wanted to join back in when it gets ghosted like that
[04:16] <C00re> ghosted?
[04:16] <macavity> C00re: if you are already pressent in a channel but want to log in from somewhere else you can "ghost" yourself via nickserv
[04:16] <antiwire> How do I setup a chroot for building packages for programs that don't support DESTDIR?
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[04:17] <macavity> nix_chix0r: did you bring any candy?
[04:17] <macavity> C00re: type /msg nickserv help
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[04:20] <macavity> macavity_: damn boy, i just ghosted you.. stay down!
[04:20] <macavity> slackboy: could you kick that obnoxius sob plz kkthxbai
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[04:22] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity:  hardly a credible souce in my opinion. but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116390    specs page
[04:23] <Kenny_Duehit> wait
[04:23] <Kenny_Duehit> bad link
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[04:23] <macavity> heh
[04:24] <slava_dp> antiwire, i heard that you use slacktrack when the package does not support DESTDIR.
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[04:25] <antiwire> there has got to be a "standard" method though
[04:25] <Kenny_Duehit> test
[04:25] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: can't see you, reconnect
[04:26] <macavity> fail  :P
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[04:27] <antiwire> haha
[04:27] <antiwire> oh man
[04:27] <macavity> if he actually bought that one i *will* kick him in the nuts when he comes back :P
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[04:29] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: you are still not here.. it just looks like it on your screen :P
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[04:30] <Kenny_Duehit> iu am here
[04:30] <Kenny_Duehit> am I?
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[04:30] <Kenny_Duehit> what's real? what's fake?
[04:30] <Kenny_Duehit> i just don't know anymore!
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[04:32] <Kenny_Duehit> am I here now?
[04:32] <macavity> sure... where have you been?
[04:32] <Kenny_Duehit> LOL
[04:32] <Kenny_Duehit> i don't know
[04:32] <Kenny_Duehit> what's real?
[04:32] <Kenny_Duehit> what's fake?
[04:32] <Kenny_Duehit> how will i ever know?
[04:32] <macavity> slackware is real
[04:33] <macavity> everything else is fake
[04:33] <slava_dp> take the slackware pill
[04:33] Action: Kenny_Duehit takes 2
[04:33] <macavity> dont take the blue pill...
[04:33] <LSD`> Who are you? What do you want? Why are you here? Where are you going?
[04:33] Action: Kenny_Duehit tumbles down the rabbit hole
[04:33] <feinoM> And why are you going there?
[04:33] <macavity> LSD`: no, the big question is: who the fuck are you, and what are you doing in MY spaceship?!? :P
[04:34] <macavity> big panic
[04:34] <antiwire> omfg...from the slacktrack docs: "...The answer is simple: [a] find all files on the file system and dump to a file. [b] compile and install the software [c] find all files on the file system and compare the file produced by the first 'find'.  After a little pruning, you have the list of files for the controller tar ball."
[04:34] <macavity> someone came in and explained to me that they are about to start painting the room
[04:34] <macavity> no shit
[04:34] <antiwire> This sounds insane but I'll keep reading.
[04:35] <macavity> whisteling and all workey and stuff... i think i better split :P
[04:35] <macavity> yup... this smells like plastic paint all right.. i cant stand that smell, so i'll catch you all when i come home
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[04:36] <macavity> macavity_: you keep them company while i am gone
[04:36] <macavity> quit
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[04:38] <Kenny_Duehit> so I want my to get my other accounts name back. kenny_duehitt    but nickserv renamed me to kenny_duehitt1
[04:40] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: /msg nickserv ghost kenny_duehitt password_here
[04:40] <antiwire> then change nicks
[04:40] <Kenny_Duehit> ahhh thx.  i was forgetting the password part
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[04:44] <kenny_duehitt> win.   thx
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[04:45] <Kenny_Duehit> Hitachi made my monitor, but there is not a trace of anything to do with it on their website....almost like they are ashamed of it...
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[05:10] <Kenny_Duehit> gnight room
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[05:14] <The-Croupier> greetings...how can one convert an mp4 to an mpeg or something...:(
[05:14] <The-Croupier> any slackware software that does that?
[05:15] <dive> ffmpeg
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[05:15] <The-Croupier> dive: i see..ok..ill go an read the manual thanks
[05:17] <The-Croupier> dive: looks quite easy..;)
[05:17] <The-Croupier> any other  ones...with a gui maybe? i like gui ones
[05:18] <dive> not that I cn think of
[05:18] <feinoM> The-Croupier: maybe you can find a graphical frontend for ffmpeg somewhere
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[05:19] <The-Croupier> dive: cool ;) nearly finished the manpage..;)
[05:20] <dive> The-Croupier, just type 'ffmpeg' and it will come up with options
[05:20] <The-Croupier> need to convert from mp4 to avi or mpeg a whole directory... ill see what i can  do
[05:20] <dive> or perhaps 'ffmpeg | less'
[05:21] <dive> the command is just 'ffmpeg file.mp4 file.mpeg' so put that in a loop or bash script
[05:21] <dive> or even file.mpg
[05:21] <alienBOB> The-Croupier: vlc can do that from the gui
[05:21] <alienBOB> But what dive said is way easier ;-)
[05:22] <The-Croupier> dive: you mean something like for *.mp4 in /files/ do ffmep file.mp4 file.mpeg end
[05:22] <alienBOB> ffmpeg is pretty smart in figuring out what to do if you just feed it file extensions
[05:22] <dive> The-Croupier, yes something like will work
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[05:23] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: i see..ill try to use that.. seems quite nice that..and you cannot always have guis..so...;) thanks guys..;)
[05:25] <alienBOB> I think handbrake can also transcode from one format to the other. And that is a pretty cool tool
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[05:28] <The-Croupier> there was another tool we were trying with Zordrak the other day...i dont remember what it was though...that would rip dvds as well..and all sorts of videos..damn
[05:28] <The-Croupier> i hate it when i dont remember  names...
[05:29] <alienBOB> The-Croupier: yes I just ran handbrake and can select a .mp4 file, and tell it to transcode to mpeg (or to any other supported format). This is the handbrake gui but it also comes with a CLI
[05:29] <alienBOB> The-Croupier: handbrake can do all of that. Really recommended.
[05:31] <alienBOB> I have a slackware64-current package for it, and a few dependencies it has. And a SlackBuild of course
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[05:33] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: cool man..could you help?
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[05:33] <The-Croupier> that would be awsome
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[05:33] <alienBOB> Help you with the transcodiong? No
[05:33] <The-Croupier> no..i ment help me with handbrake  to try
[05:34] <The-Croupier> with the slackbuild and dependencies
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[05:35] <The-Croupier> is it hanbrake.fr that you mean?
[05:36] <alienBOB> s
[05:36] <alienBOB> Yes
[05:36] <alienBOB> http://slackware.org.uk/3rd-party/alien/slackbuilds/handbrake/
[05:37] <The-Croupier> http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/slackbuilds/handbrake/build/
[05:37] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: oops sorry i didnt see your post ..
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[05:40] <alienBOB> You will need some others too: webkitgtk, libnotify, icu4c, libsoup
[05:41] <alienBOB> I was unable to build webkitgtk on slackware 12.2 (it should be possible but required yet more packages so I did not bother). That is why I only have Slackware-current packages for handbrake & webkitgtk
[05:41] <dive> at this moment plain ffmpeg is looking better and better
[05:42] <alienBOB> Hehehehe
[05:42] <alienBOB> I also have that ffmpeg package ;-)
[05:43] <alienBOB> But I built handbrake primarily because it allows you to rip a DVD to a file (mkv, avi. mp4, ...) with only a few clicks and gives great results
[05:43] <dive> right
[05:43] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: im running current as well..not the 64bit one though
[05:44] <alienBOB> The-Croupier:  then you can simply build all of the above without issues
[05:44] <The-Croupier> i do have all the ones needed except webkitgtk...building that  as we speak though
[05:44] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: thanks alot ;)
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[05:44] <alienBOB> webkitgtk compilation needs all the other dependency packages I mentioned to be installed before
[05:45] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: yep i noticed..i read the sbo
[05:45] <alienBOB> The webkitgtk takes quite a while to build... not as bad as qt4 though
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[05:47] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: dont remind me of that.. i tried it when i  was at work..then i had to stay another 1.30hours  extra fo  it to finish..:(
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[05:50] <The-Croupier> alienBOB: i remembered, the  package i told you before was called k9copy..really nice..;)
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[05:55] <alienBOB> The-Croupier: k9copy is what dvdshrink does on Windows, right? It slims down a DVD but it is still a DVD you get
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[06:15] <stillborn> anyone hot fglrx installed to 2.6.29.5 kernel, i tried ver 8.9 to newest, no go
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[06:28] <slava_dp> i need to make lilo boot without the possibility to alter the kernel command line. shall i just comment out the 'prompt' line in lilo.conf? will that be enough, or is there some secret modifier key that will get the prompt back?
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[06:32] <slava_dp> simmons.freenode.net is after Gene Simmons, right? :D
[06:37] <slava_dp> slackboy, how are you doing, man?
[06:38] <slava_dp> slackboy, lonely as hell, i'd guess
[06:42] <adeodatus> How to configure utf-8 in the linux console?
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[06:44] <edman007> hmm...that was a bit split
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[06:48] <slava_dp> adeodatus, first set lilo to give you a unicode console (in lilo.conf)
[06:49] <slava_dp> adeodatus, then load a utf-8 font via /etc/rc.d/rc.font
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[06:52] <adeodatus> thanks , slava_dp
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[07:03] <spook> moon is still full
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[07:07] <Urchlay> hm, be anyone awake?
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[07:09] <slava_dp> s/awake/alive/
[07:10] <alisonken1noc> exit
[07:10] <slava_dp> watts up, Urchlay ?
[07:10] <Urchlay> weirdness, not used to waking up at 7AM
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[07:11] <slava_dp> does not apply. 2 pm here.
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[07:11] <rob0> Urchlay, it must be going around :)
[07:11] <Urchlay> considering updating this not-very-current -current install, wondering if anyone's running 13.0rc1 with the nvidia-legacy driver, if so does it even work?
[07:11] <Urchlay> rob0: the really weird thing was falling asleep at 7pm last night
[07:12] <rob0> My sleep hours are seriously wacky these days, being in the process of moving.
[07:12] <Urchlay> ugh, moving sucks
[07:12] <rob0> But, the worst parts of the move (the parts with deadlines!) are over! yay!
[07:13] <rob0> got the rental truck returned yesterday
[07:13] <Urchlay> last time I moved, couldn't afford a truck, had to take about 10 trips in a saturn
[07:14] <rob0> ouch :)
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[07:14] <Urchlay> (including one trip with the giant old CRT TV hanging 2/3 of the way out of the trunk)
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[07:14] <rob0> This move was ~300mi / 500km. Multiple trips would have been unthinkable, actually more expensive than a truck.
[07:14] <Urchlay> ouch
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[07:17] <Urchlay> so anyone tried nvidia-legacy 173.14.xx with xorg-server 1.6.1 and kernel 2.6.29.5 already? Or am I about to be the first guinea pig?
[07:17] <slava_dp> so you moved from the atlantic to the pacific, rob0 ? :)
[07:19] <rob0> um, that distance would be applicable in some parts of Central America or maybe southern Mexico, but no. I moved from one part of "flyover country" to another.
[07:19] <rob0> :)
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[07:28] Action: slava_dp has found out what the flyover country is. one more word to the vocabulary!
[07:29] <Urchlay> blargh. just remembered something. mplayer -nocache -dumpaudio -dumpfile test.mp3 http://blahblah   <--- anyone know a better way than that to capture a shoutcast mp3 stream?
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[07:32] <Urchlay> ah, streamripper
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[07:34] <SuN> A better way? What's wrong with that  :P
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[07:36] <Urchlay> SuN: mplayer works, but completely ignores its -endpos option, so I can't tell it "only record for an hour"
[07:36] <SuN> Oh really? That's annoying.
[07:37] <Urchlay> yeah, and I don't understand why that happens. I can't even press Q to quit, have to hit ctrl-C
[07:38] <Urchlay> (or in this case, kill it by PID, since it's going to be run by cron)
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[07:40] <naja> in slackware, is there an easy way to tell what a file's identifiers are?  like when you use the file command?
[07:41] <Urchlay> eh, an easy way other than to run the file command?
[07:41] <Urchlay> (it's possible I don't understand the question)
[07:41] <naja> I have alot of files that are proprietaary and file just returns "data".  I need to edit magic, but don't know what to use.
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[07:42] <Urchlay> oh, OK. Looks like modern versions of "file" use /etc/file/magic
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[07:43] <naja> yes.  that's waht i need to edit, but i don't know what to put in there.
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[07:43] <SpacePlod> naja: if you have a set of sample files that are the same, you can run xxd on them (pipe through head to limit output).
[07:43] <Urchlay> naja: try "man magic"
[07:43] <SpacePlod> if you see a pattern, use that to populate the magic file.
[07:44] <Urchlay> it explains the file format pretty well, I've used it before to add entries, but it was a long time ago
[07:44] <naja> i know how to edit it, and i understaind the format, just do'nt know what the data is.
[07:44] <naja> Spaceplod: i'll try that
[07:45] <Urchlay> in that case, do what SpacePlod said (xxd to get a hexdump)
[07:45] <SpacePlod> it works best if you use several files and limit the output so you're sure you see a pattern.
[07:46] <SpacePlod> i mean limit the output so you can read multiple files on screen to compare...that was a bit unclear.
[07:46] <naja> no, that's good.  I get it.
[07:52] <Urchlay> OK, dumb question about shoutcast: if I were to leave mplayer playing a stream, would it play forever, or would the stream end at some point (possibly because the "radio station" is broadcasting a loop), or does it depend on the station, or does this question not even make sense?
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[07:53] <naja> xxd worked great.  thanks guys
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[07:54] <Camarade_Tux> hannahmontana.sf.net ... f34r!
[07:54] <Urchlay> ehhh
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[07:55] <stillborn> hia all
[07:55] <Camarade_Tux> the language on the website is so childish I'm not sure it's a parody...
[07:55] <Camarade_Tux> yo stillborn
[07:55] <stillborn> what's up with intalling ati drivers to 2.6.29.5 kernel
[07:55] <stillborn> :P
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[07:57] <stillborn> with every driver version installer stops at the same error
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[07:57] <Urchlay> bleah
[07:57] <Urchlay> I dunno, I'm about to attempt the same thing with "nvidia-legacy" driver
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[07:58] <illuz1oN> Any of you guys tested the Kon-Boot image?
[07:58] <illuz1oN> Against Slackware 12.2?
[07:58] <stillborn> http://pastebin.com/db81bfcb
[07:58] <illuz1oN> I just tested, but I think it get's confused with a Dual-boot system.
[07:58] <stillborn> that's the error
[07:59] <Urchlay> ehmm. It's looking for XFree86 (which is what the X server used to be called), instead of Xorg (which is what it's called now)
[08:00] <Urchlay> you sure the driver doesn't come in separate XFree86 and Xorg versions, or maybe have a --xorg flag you have to pass to it or something?
[08:00] <stillborn> it's the same driver package i used in 12.2
[08:01] <thrice`> which driver are you tryinfg?
[08:01] <Urchlay> it talks about a --iscurrentdistro flag... Apparently it tries to figure out what linux distro it's running on, and makes decisions based on that... and apparently its distro detection is failing on slackware-current
[08:01] <thrice`> the latest ATI driver surely won't only search for XFree86; no distro has used it in years
[08:02] <Urchlay> you might be able to force it to pretend it's on slackware 12.2
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[08:03] <stillborn> drivers 8.10 and 8.12 what i tried now
[08:03] <stillborn> reading help file now
[08:03] <stillborn> :D
[08:06] <Urchlay> hm. Any idea what a typical radio station will use for the delay on a "live" broadcast?
[08:07] <stillborn> 9.3 driver gave me same error just now
[08:08] <thrice`> stillborn: what are you running?
[08:08] <Urchlay> got a friend who's supposed to be doing an interview on the radio this morning, trying to capture the shoutcast stream thereof. She was supposed to go on at 8AM, it's now 8:08 and they're still playing music...
[08:08] <stillborn> slack current, you mean
[08:08] <straterra> Urchlay: its usually only a few seconds
[08:08] <Urchlay> hmm. Wonder if there's a timezone error here.
[08:09] <Urchlay> (if so, it's her error, she would be showing up either an hour late or an hour early)
[08:11] <Urchlay> OK, they're just running late apparently, they just said it'll start "after this commercial break"
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[08:16] <Camarade_Tux> lol : http://www.licd.com/comic/20090625 :p
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[08:19] <Urchlay> heh
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[08:21] <moonhead> when did slackware.com come back up?
[08:22] <Urchlay> must have been in the past 13 hours (it was definitely down last I checked)
[08:22] <thrice`> who knows / cares ;)
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[08:25] <jfaosdp> hi, i cant start X , (EE)No devices detected. No screens found :S . How can i paste my xorg.conf in pastebin with links? :S
[08:26] <Urchlay> jfaosdp: go here: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/accessibility/wgetpaste/
[08:26] <Urchlay> install that, then go "wgetpaste /etc/X11/xorg.conf" :)
[08:26] <jfaosdp> thanks! :)
[08:27] <TwinReverb> hmm mousepad complains that it can't convert to ISO 8851 something :S
[08:27] <thrice`> or, to just install wgetpaste, try:
[08:27] <thrice`> wget -qO - http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2.13.bz2 | bunzip2 - > /usr/bin/wgetpaste && chmod +x /usr/bin/wgetpaste
[08:27] <thrice`> might be easier if you don't have x.org yet ;)
[08:28] <thrice`> jfaosdp: are you on 12.2, or -current ?
[08:28] <Urchlay> using the SBo package is easy enough without X
[08:28] <jfaosdp> yeah, 12.2
[08:28] <thrice`> Urchlay: sure, but installing it might be a challenge ;)
[08:29] <thrice`> well, I guess if he's already in links
[08:29] <Urchlay> ehh? sudo ./wgetpaste.SlackBuild ; sudo installpkg /tmp/wgetpaste*tgz
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[08:29] <thrice`> that will work with the default path?
[08:30] <Urchlay> probly not. I've had /sbin in my PATH for 10+ years, keep forgetting other people don't
[08:30] <jfaosdp> wait, i'm doing the first one
[08:30] <thrice`> anyway, how did you configure your xorg.conf jfaosdp ?
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[08:32] <jfaosdp> i think that it was with xorgconfig
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[08:37] <monstro> How to make permanent change in sysctl ?
[08:37] <thrice`> jfaosdp: I would try "X -configure" and let xorg make one for you
[08:38] <thrice`> and copy it (cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf) and try starting X with that one instead
[08:38] <monstro> the file sysctl.conf does not exist into /etc ?
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[08:41] <jfaosdp> more errors now :S . XKB: couldn't open rules file /etc/X11/xkb/rules/base ... """" xkb/rules/xorg. Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/TTF, removing from list! """" OTF, """ misc, """ 75dpi/:unscaled
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[08:42] <thrice`> did you install xorg after you install slackware ?
[08:42] <jfaosdp> yeah
[08:42] <thrice`> as in, separately from the install CD
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[08:42] <thrice`> well well
[08:42] <rob0> monstro: sysctl(8) is not by default used in Slackware, IIRC. You can read sysctl.conf(5) and populate your /etc/sysctl.conf file, then place an appropriate command in your rc.local script.
[08:43] <thrice`> jfaosdp: try this:
[08:44] <thrice`> for i in $( ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* ); do mkfontdir $i &> /dev/null; done
[08:44] <thrice`> for i in $( ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* ); do mkfontscale $i &> /dev/null; done
[08:45] <thrice`> and then startx using that same xorg.conf from X -configure
[08:45] <jfaosdp> i might to have the /fonts directory ?
[08:45] <jfaosdp> i dont have it
[08:45] <thrice`> ok, next question: how did you install xorg after wards?
[08:45] <thrice`> and why didn't you install any fonts?
[08:46] <jfaosdp> i did: slackpkg install xorg-server-1.4.2-i486-1
[08:46] <thrice`> no
[08:46] <jfaosdp> but nothing about fonts
[08:46] <thrice`> slackpkg remove xorg-server; slackpkg install x/
[08:46] <thrice`> slackpkg doesn't do dependencies; all you did was install xorg-server
[08:47] <jfaosdp> ahh...
[08:47] <jfaosdp> for that, i had to install all librarys individually ...
[08:47] <thrice`> once you install the x/ (xorg) series, run those two font-related commands, and you'll be good
[08:48] <thrice`> you will need most of x/, yes
[08:49] <jfaosdp> i cant remove the xorg-server package
[08:49] <thrice`> why not?
[08:49] <jfaosdp> it said: package not installed. ?
[08:49] <thrice`> removepkg xorg-server
[08:49] <jfaosdp> yeah! you did it now
[08:50] <thrice`> now try "slackpkg install x/"
[08:50] <thrice`> it'll pull in a couple hundred packages, most of which are really small
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[08:51] <jfaosdp> thrice`, no packages match the patter for install. Try: /usr/sbin/slackpkg reinstall|upgrade
[08:51] <jfaosdp> i put slackpkg install x/
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[08:52] <slava_dp> must be slackpkg install x
[08:52] <thrice`> try slackpkg install x
[08:52] <thrice`> sorry, I don't actually use slackpkg :)  it can do entire sets, though
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[08:53] <jfaosdp> no problem, thanks
[08:53] <thrice`> did it work without the trailing / ?
[08:53] <slava_dp> jfaosdp, if the above doesn't work, cd /path/to/installation/slackware/x/ && ./install_packages  -> OK
[08:53] <jfaosdp> ehm.. are you sure that all theese packages are necessary ?
[08:54] <jfaosdp> many packages with x ... :S
[08:54] <thrice`> xorg is modular these days
[08:55] <thrice`> I was worried "slackpkg install x" would catch anything with "x" in its name
[08:55] <jfaosdp> i think so
[08:55] <slava_dp> jfaosdp, basically they are not all nesessary
[08:55] <jfaosdp> lol
[08:55] <slava_dp> but if you have the space, don't play with it, install all of the category.
[08:55] <jfaosdp> i didn't do it yet... don't worry
[08:56] <thrice`> xorg-server needs about 100 or so, plus drivers and fonts.  installing all of x/ is a good idea, though
[08:56] <jfaosdp> ok, i will do it
[08:56] <jfaosdp> 10 gb will be enough ?
[08:56] <slava_dp> lol yeah
[08:56] <thrice`> yes, plenty
[08:56] <slava_dp> x will claim around 1 gig i phear
[08:57] <slava_dp> might be less
[08:57] <thrice`> I omit some stuff like KDE, and my install comes in around 2.4GB
[08:57] <jfaosdp> ok :)
[08:57] <Urchlay> omit kdei
[08:58] <thrice`> and e/, k/, kde/, t/, tcl/ :>
[08:58] <Urchlay> or, if you really really need it, install the languages you actually can speak, from kdei
[08:58] <jfaosdp> i'm spanish
[08:58] <Urchlay> right, so install the spanish language pack from kdei, but not portuguese, russian, french, etc...
[08:58] <slava_dp> thrice`, from slackpkg. You can use partial package names (such as x11 instead x11-devel, x11-docs, etc), or even Slackware series (such as n,ap,xap,etc) when searching for packages.
[08:58] <slava_dp> i. e. only for searching
[08:59] <slava_dp> so we both failed
[08:59] <rob0> Does KDE support Spanish? Esperanto, Pig Latin: sure. But Spanish?!?
[08:59] <Urchlay> dunno
[08:59] <jfaosdp> hahah
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[08:59] <thrice`> slava_dp: oh, I guess if it recognizes it :)  I was worried just "x" would catch *x*.tgz
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[09:00] <Urchlay> no hablo mucho español :)
[09:00] <rob0> Ewmew Fudd ... Google supports that.
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[09:01] <jfaosdp> Urchlay: yo tampoco hablo mucho ingles ...
[09:01] <jfaosdp> heheh
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[09:02] <Urchlay> your english is likely better than my spanish
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[09:13] <moonhead> hey guys, is ext4 supported in the currentx64 iso?
[09:14] Nick change: mako-don1 -> mako-sama
[09:14] <spook> there is no current64 iso.
[09:14] <moonhead> :-|
[09:15] <straterra> No official one any way
[09:15] <moonhead> right
[09:15] <moonhead> but that's really not the point
[09:15] <TwinReverb> moonhead, it is supported
[09:15] <TwinReverb> if you want to make a -current DVD, you must download all of slackware64-current
[09:15] <moonhead> thanks, TwinReverb
[09:15] <TwinReverb> (minus source if you don't want the source code)
[09:16] <TwinReverb> then in isolinux directory there are instructions on how to rip a DVD
[09:16] <TwinReverb> works like a charm, thanks to Patrick
[09:16] <thrice`> moonhead: it's the default actually on -current's installer
[09:16] <TwinReverb> ext4 is the default?
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[09:16] <thrice`> in the installer, yes
[09:16] <TwinReverb> cool
[09:17] <TwinReverb> not a bad idea (probably more appropriate for a laptop than XFS, which is probably more appropriate on servers that house large files)
[09:17] <moonhead> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware64-current-07_Jul_2009-DVD.iso
[09:17] <TwinReverb> oh well, i will re-accomplish my filesystem benchmark for typical home user stuff and report back eventually
[09:17] <TwinReverb> i accidentally lost my FS benchmark file in a refresh from backups
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[09:18] <spook> moonhead: not official.
[09:18] <TwinReverb> moonhead, but that will be bigger than simply rsync against the tree minus source code
[09:18] <TwinReverb> it may take less time but it will eat more bandwidth
[09:18] <thrice`> that will probably work though; I've never heard people report of them not working, anyway
[09:19] <moonhead> i already have the .iso
[09:19] <TwinReverb> actually i take that back, it's 1.6GB, my no-source iso was 1.4GB, so they probably did the same thing i did except they included kdei
[09:19] <thrice`> anyway, ext4 will definitely be supported in that :>
[09:19] <moonhead> excellent
[09:20] <lamenick> what's the preferred way of installing programs in slackware-current?
[09:20] <lamenick> let's say I'd like to install WINE
[09:20] <thrice`> slackbuilds.org is probably the safest, most tested route
[09:20] <TwinReverb> thrice`, any recommendations for simulating normal home user stuff?  i was going to do a FS benchmark by upgradepkg firefox from 12.2 stock to 12.2/patches, since i end up doing that every week or so (due to patches/) and then maybe a kernel tarball copy/unpack/etc check
[09:21] <TwinReverb> yeah slackbuilds.org i would also recommend
[09:21] <TwinReverb> i thought about what typically happens with benchmarks i see on the web and i seriously don't think i'm going to really need to mount and unmount 1000 times in one day lol
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[09:25] <lamenick> thank you both :)
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[09:33] <Urchlay> hm. mplayer -ss 60 -endpos 60 -dumpaudio -dumpfile output.mp3 input.mp3   <--- I would expect that to create a 1-minute mp3 file consisting of 1:00 to 2:00 of input.mp3, but instead the entire input gets copied to the output
[09:34] <Urchlay> anyone know of anything that comes with slackware that can do the job? (other than decoding the mp3 to a wav, using sox, and re-encoding. I don't want to lose quality...)
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[09:36] <jfaosdp> now it finished, all packages with **x** were installed :)
[09:37] <thrice`> ok, now run those two font commands
[09:37] <thrice`> to generate the font indexes and such, and then try starting xorg
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[09:38] <jfaosdp> 14:44 < thrice`> for i in $( ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* ); do mkfontdir $i &>  /dev/null; done
[09:38] <jfaosdp> 14:44 < thrice`> for i in $( ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* ); do mkfontscale $i &>  /dev/null; done
[09:38] <thrice`> I suggest running it on your system, instead of IRC, but yes :>
[09:39] <jfaosdp> ok hahah
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[09:41] <jfaosdp> omg ...
[09:41] <NetrixTardis> omgZ!%!#$%!$# NOOOZZZT!#^!#$^!
[09:42] <NetrixTardis> ?
[09:42] <jfaosdp> it appears go to work.. but i can only see lines
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[09:43] <jfaosdp> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. (it says in the log, when i close X)
[09:43] <thrice`> that's alright
[09:44] <Urchlay> blargh. Can anyone name an mp3 editor for linux that'll let me at least trim a few minutes off the front & back of a file, that works directly on the mp3 file without decoding/re-encoding?
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[09:45] <Urchlay> don't care if it's CLI or GUI so long as it doesn't have a ton of deps that'll take all day to compile
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[09:48] <usr13> Urchlay: audacity
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[09:51] <Urchlay> usr13: it works directly on mp3 files, can just discard the frames I want to cut?
[09:51] <thumbs> Urchlay: yes
[09:51] <Urchlay> cool
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[09:52] <Urchlay> was hoping sox could do it, but it doesn't (it decodes, trims, re-encodes)
[09:54] <alienBOB> Urchlay: mp3splt is another option
[09:56] <Urchlay> alienBOB: ah, nice
[09:58] <agentc0re> Sweet, qwest fiber is in my neighborhood now! :)
[09:58] <agentc0re> 20Mbs/5Mbps here i come! :D
[10:00] <Urchlay> alienBOB: am adding LIBDIRSUFFIX support to libmp3splt.SlackBuild, shall I send the modified file to someone? (It's a trivial change, but if someone's collecting 13.0 stuff already...)
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[10:03] <maxote> as .txz is smaller, is it possible to add more packages to the slackware repository?
[10:03] <maxote> e.g. icewm, wine, etc.
[10:03] <frullet> there isnt enough already?
[10:03] <slava_dp> let's make a slackware bd-rom (debian has one btw)
[10:03] <maxote> forget the CD limitation
[10:03] <slava_dp> lol
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[10:05] <slava_dp> 25 gigs of packages... .suppose we could provide any piece of software in existence today if we used that
[10:07] <slava_dp> (but it would be dated by a couple of versions probably). like in debian, again.
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[10:08] <thumbs> we really don't want to go the same route as debian.
[10:08] Action: slava_dp 's work day is over. bbt.
[10:09] <slava_dp> thumbs, we sure don't. that was just a rant.
[10:09] <maxote> thumbs, slackware and debian are different
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[10:09] <thumbs> maxote: oh, I know.
[10:09] <maxote> the additional .txz packages to extra/ , right?
[10:09] <thumbs> maxote: I loathe debian users every day in our channel.
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[10:11] <Urchlay> alienBOB: thanks for that, mp3splt works a treat
[10:12] <Urchlay> (if I'd used audacity, I'd still be building deps...)
[10:13] <alienBOB> Urchlay: I'll have to build a mp3splt for current (64bit too) soon
[10:14] <jfaosdp> many thanks, cu ;)
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[10:16] Action: beatzz is very happy with his slackware laptop
[10:17] <beatzz> good morning all
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[10:20] <Urchlay> hm, to remove a chunk from the middle of an mp3, looks like mp3splt can only do it by creating 2 output files. That sound right, or am I reading the docs wrong?
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[10:24] Action: maddslacker just uses audacity
[10:24] <Urchlay> I would *still* be building dependencies for audacity (as it is, the job's almost done)
[10:24] Action: thumbs too
[10:24] <maddslacker> I built deps for audacity once, and saved them to a thumb drive
[10:25] <Urchlay> audio editing isn't something I do regularly, this is a one-off for a friend
[10:25] <maddslacker> tbh honest, most of them were available at slacky.eu
[10:25] <fallertsen> Urchlay: http://slacky.eu/aadm/pkgs/index.php?ver=6&pkg=580
[10:25] <Urchlay> yuck
[10:25] <fallertsen> there is the audacity package with all the dependences
[10:26] <maddslacker> Urchlay: if you write down the start and stop times, you can do it in ffmpeg too
[10:26] <Urchlay> fallertsen: useless to me, I'm on 64-bit with no 32-bit stuff installed
[10:26] <maddslacker> fallertsen: heh, I didn;t even see that pkg, it did it the hard way
[10:26] <Urchlay> maddslacker: hm, already had ffmpeg installed... and am having to write down start/stop times anyway for mp3splt
[10:27] <fallertsen> Urchlay: ups, sorry, there's not (yet) a 64 repository
[10:27] <Urchlay> fallertsen: is OK, there will be sometime after 13 comes out I'm sure
[10:31] <maddslacker> Urchlay: read the man page for syntax, but it can split, then rejoin your track, can much with the bitrate too while you're in there, if need be
[10:31] <Urchlay> maddslacker: without decoding/re-encoding?
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[10:34] <maddslacker> Urchlay: sort of...if you're not changing the encoding container or bitrate, it does no encoding
[10:34] <maddslacker> even if it does encode, it's super fast
[10:34] <Urchlay> I don't suppose I can just cat 2 mp3 files together (assuming they're the same bitrate and have no id3 tags)?
[10:35] <Urchlay> speed isn't the problem, lossy encoding is
[10:35] <maddslacker> cat is worth a try
[10:36] <maddslacker> or ffmpeg -i one.mp3 two.mp3 -sameq three.mp3
[10:36] <maddslacker> ^^ that's from memory, but it's something like that
[10:39] <Urchlay> hm, "ffmpeg -i one.mp3 -i two.mp3 -sameq three.mp3" works, but it's re-encoding
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[10:39] <Urchlay> cat seems to work (at least mplayer plays the result, and doesn't "hiccup" at the point where they were joined)
[10:42] <maddslacker> that was my concern...heh
[10:42] <maddslacker> Urchlay: unless it's like hours long, re-encoding with ffmpeg is fast and if you use sameq it won't muck with the bitrate
[10:43] <Urchlay> the person I'm doing this for, she's probably going to end up editing it in some proprietary windows audio app, and cause her own losses, so I don't want to add more lossy-ness of my own
[10:44] <Urchlay> eh, plus, I want to rip out the two actual songs that are in there, for my own purposes
[10:45] <maddslacker> yeah
[10:45] <maddslacker> just saying, re-encoding in ffmpeg, using the same bitrate or sameq does NOT cause more loss
[10:45] <VampirePenguin> hey my compositing keps shuting down adn giving me the black warning dialog tha its moving to slow... anyone know how to fix it kde 4.2.4
[10:45] <Urchlay> will surprise the hell out of her, I'll know how to play her songs without her ever having taught them to me
[10:45] <maddslacker> heh
[10:45] <maddslacker> like you're clairvoyant
[10:46] <Urchlay> clairaudient?
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[10:49] <maddslacker> heh
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[10:59] <Wizard> lol, default fvwm in slackware rocks :D
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[11:01] <Wizard> i mean default config
[11:04] <campassi> anyone have any idea how long the final release comes after rc1 ?
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[11:04] <tank-man> using cat to combine 2 mp3s is not the proper way but it will play in most players
[11:05] <VampirePenguin> campassi, , when its ready
[11:06] <campassi> but surely there is an estimate, since there have been so many releases
[11:06] <VampirePenguin> campassi, , when its ready
[11:06] <VampirePenguin> thats the estimate
[11:06] <campassi> i estimate youre not very helpful
[11:07] <VampirePenguin> no slackware has a policy as does debian.... when its rready its released.. not until
[11:07] <campassi> yeah, that's very easy to see
[11:07] <thrice`> campassi: it's at RC1, so sooner than later
[11:07] <campassi> I would think, not more than another month or two? at max
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[11:15] <BP{k}> campassi: please see slackware.com - FAQ - General FAQ - question #5 on the release police :P
[11:15] <BP{k}> s/police/policy/
[11:15] <thrice`> I wonder why it even matters to people
[11:15] <BP{k}> thrice`: shiny new version syndrome? ;-)
[11:16] <thrice`> sure, but it'll just be -current + a few packages
[11:16] <thrice`> if they want it bad enough, it's already available :)
[11:16] <campassi> because I just got my old box back yesterday
[11:16] <campassi> and I don't want to install 12.2 on it if 13 is about to come out
[11:17] <campassi> but, if I wait until 13, then I can't use the box for a little while.. :-(
[11:17] <thrice`> grab a -current iso then and test RC1 :)
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[11:19] <spook> i have underground power, can lightning do electrical damage?
[11:19] <maddslacker> yes
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[11:20] <spook> how?
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[11:21] <maddslacker> 1) electricity i.e. lightning travel;s quite handily through the ground
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[11:21] <maddslacker> 2) your local substation is most likely above ground
[11:22] <maddslacker> 3) your house is most likely above ground and can itself be struck
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[11:22] <slack1> howto add boot slackware for file boot ubuntu
[11:22] <maddslacker> 4) you're apparently too cheap to buy a decent surge protector
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[11:22] <thumbs> slack1: did you ask #ubuntu how to edit grub?
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[11:23] <lolwut> I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone know how or if it is possible to format a flash drive so that it has both fat and an ntfs partition on it
[11:23] <thumbs> slack1: or did you install lilo on the mbr with slackware?
[11:23] <maddslacker> lolwut: yes, that's easy
[11:23] <thumbs> lolwut: it should work.
[11:23] <maddslacker> cfdisk, gparted, etc
[11:23] <maddslacker> I have done it
[11:24] <lolwut> so do i just wipe it and then write that it has both partitons then go in and format them?
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[11:25] <thumbs> yes.
[11:25] <spook> maddslacker: you raise some interesting points.
[11:25] <thumbs> any OS should be able to read the partition table.
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[11:25] <lolwut> thumbs, so write the partiton table and then throw it in a windows box and format them?
[11:25] <maddslacker> lolwut: it's no different than partitioning any other disk
[11:25] <thumbs> provided, of course, that a device does not assume a single parition, with fat/vfat/ntfs
[11:25] <maddslacker> lolwut: why use windows?
[11:25] <VampirePenguin> bsd's dont lie some linux and i think all m$ fs
[11:26] <maddslacker> and, slack can read-write NTFS, why bother with FAT32?
[11:26] <lolwut> maddslacker, I was under the impression that you should use windows to format ntfs and fat32
[11:26] <maddslacker> ok
[11:26] <maddslacker> linux can do it too
[11:26] <lolwut> how?
[11:26] <maddslacker> man mksfs
[11:26] <maddslacker> or use gparted
[11:26] <lolwut> dont haveit
[11:27] <pi31415> fat32 is more portable
[11:27] <maddslacker> or just partition it in windows if you have it available
[11:27] <pi31415> for example mac os x cannot write ntfs
[11:27] <maddslacker> pi31415: only if yuo need to take it to a mac
[11:27] <maddslacker> right
[11:27] <pi31415> so you could share a writable usb drive between linux, windows, and mac os x if it were fat32
[11:27] <maddslacker> why would you sully your linux thumb drive with a mac? :D
[11:28] <pi31415> that point also includes gonzo devices such as the wii
[11:28] <maddslacker> yeah, I have a dvd player with a USB port that uses FAT32, in that case I wouldn't bother with ntfs, just make the whole thing FAT32
[11:28] <pi31415> maddslacker: i access my data on multiple platforms
[11:29] <maddslacker> anyway, lolwut it would be easier for you in windows, do it in drive manager
[11:29] <maddslacker> pi31415: me too, I jsut refuse to use any applesoft products
[11:29] <maddslacker> I like a little less vendor lock-in
[11:29] <lolwut> maddslacker, in windows it will only format it to the full drive
[11:29] <maddslacker> lolwut: wrong
[11:30] <lolwut> maddslacker, sorry i worded that wrong, I can only figure out how to format it to the full drive.
[11:30] <lolwut> lol
[11:30] <pi31415> maddslacker: hear hear
[11:30] <pi31415> (as if Microsoft were any better)
[11:30] <maddslacker> plug in thumb drive, right click my computer, choose manage, select drive management, select the thumb drive, delete the partition, create a new one smaller than the whole, create a second one, foprmat as needed
[11:30] <maddslacker> pi31415: M$ == apple these days
[11:30] <maddslacker> just apple CEO is less healthy
[11:30] <maddslacker> lolwut: ^^ that's how to do it
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[11:32] <maddslacker> Apple would try a lot more crap too if they had the market sahre
[11:32] <maddslacker> *share
[11:32] <maddslacker> lolwut: did yuo get it?
[11:32] <VampirePenguin> so no ones around that is running kde 4.2.4 with an intel chip that has solved compositing issues
[11:32] <slack1> how to add boot ubuntu for  slackware
[11:32] <maddslacker> apparently not
[11:32] <lolwut> maddslacker, im doing the partition table in cfdisk right now
[11:32] <maddslacker> slack1: go to #ubuntu and ask them how to edit grub
[11:33] <maddslacker> lolwut: if you just create partitons, you can then format them in windows like you said
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[11:34] <lolwut> maddslacker, I would rather stay in linux, so should i just download  gparted
[11:34] <maddslacker> it has some deps
[11:34] <maddslacker> let me check if I kept the list
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[11:35] <lolwut> is it on slackbuilds?
[11:35] <maddslacker> lolwut: I run a data center with 370 windows servers, I use the bootable gparted cd ALL the time for ntfs partitions
[11:35] <spook> you dont use pxe?
[11:35] <maddslacker> nope
[11:35] <spook> your loss.
[11:36] <Urchlay> long as we're talking about video issues...
[11:36] <maddslacker> gparted is simple, linux, and works extremely well
[11:36] <spook> maddslacker: i mean, you use an actual cd, in a datacenter of 370 servers
[11:36] <lolwut> side question, what is the difference between the 86 flag and the 87 flag?
[11:36] <Urchlay> anyone tried running 13.0rc1 (xorg 1.6.1, kernel 2.6.29.5) and nvidia-legacy 173.14.xx drivers?
[11:36] <Urchlay> I have been hesistant to upgrade my not-very-current -current
[11:37] <maddslacker> lolwut: deps (all of which are available as packages at slacky.eu)
[11:37] <maddslacker> cairomm
[11:37] <maddslacker> glibmm
[11:37] Channel flood from maddslacker -- kicking
[11:37] <maddslacker> gtkmm
[11:37] <maddslacker> libsigc++
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[11:37] <nachox> guys, anyone good with putty?
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[11:37] <nachox> and ssh tunneling
[11:37] <spook> nachox: theory yes, practice no
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[11:39] <edman007> nachox, sure, don't use putty
[11:39] <Urchlay> nobody's using -current with an nvidia fx 5500 or so?
[11:39] <maddslacker> Urchlay: sorry, I don't have an nvidia card
[11:39] <Urchlay> compared to the modern ones, I almost don't have an nvidia card either :)
[11:40] <maddslacker> lolwut: http://pastebin.com/d6c6990dd
[11:40] <maddslacker> gparted deps
[11:40] <maddslacker> they all are available at slacky.eu as compiled packages
[11:40] <Urchlay> ...or at slackbuilds.org, if you don't want to use somebody else's binary package...
[11:40] <lolwut> maddslakcer, im just gonna use the slackbuild lol
[11:41] <maddslacker> yeah, should be there too
[11:41] Action: maddslacker is too lazy for slackbuilds
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[11:41] <maddslacker> Urchlay: more specifically I have an Intel card ;)
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[11:42] <lolwut> too lazy? just use sbopkg
[11:42] <maddslacker> meh
[11:42] <BP{k}> maddslacker: that paste is incredible *FAIL*
[11:42] <maddslacker> I buld when I need to
[11:42] <nachox> edman007, i need to browse the net through an ssh tunnel to a remote server, i can do that with openssh, i just dont know how
[11:42] <maddslacker> BP{k}: yeah, I keep forgetting about that
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[11:43] <maddslacker> cudaman73: is a troll
[11:43] <edman007> nachox, honestly, i would just install cygwin and use the ssh in there, i would expect that to just take the unix args and you can do the SOCKS proxy thing
[11:43] <cudaman73> more like an orc
[11:43] <cudaman73> maddslacker is the troll
[11:43] <maddslacker> cudaman73: you run, um, ubuntu...right?
[11:44] <nachox> edman007, i suggested putty because it's what i though most would be familiar with, but i dont mind doing that from a real unix using a real ssh, i just dont know how
[11:45] <Urchlay> nachox: search for -L and -R in the ssh man page, should give you a good starting point
[11:45] <edman007> Urchlay, no, you use -D
[11:45] <nachox> i think it's with -D too
[11:45] <edman007> and then just tell your browser to connect to the socks proxy on localhost
[11:45] <Urchlay> at least, on the rare occasions when I need to use an ssh tunnel, I re-learn it from the man page, so the information's gotta be there :)
[11:46] <edman007> -L/-R just tunnels, it does not proxy
[11:46] <maddslacker> heh, I created a config file for my irc tunnels specifically so I wouldn't need to remember
[11:46] <maddslacker> right, -D is the proxy iirc
[11:46] <slack1> where  file boot slackware on filesystem
[11:46] <edman007> if the box you are connecting to runs a proxy, then you can -L to connect to it
[11:46] <Urchlay> thought he was asking about tunnelling
[11:46] <maddslacker> he is, sort of
[11:46] <edman007> Urchlay, well he is confused
[11:46] <edman007> -D does tunnel, but it starts a proxy on the tunnel
[11:47] <BP{k}> slack1: uhm what?
[11:47] <edman007> BP{k}, he is doing mad libs
[11:47] <maddslacker> slack1: == beanie?
[11:47] <maddslacker> slack1:  it boots it from the hard drive
[11:47] <slack1> yes
[11:47] <cudaman73> from the kernel... which is usually in /boot ?
[11:47] <maddslacker> do you have a real question?
[11:48] <slack1> name
[11:48] <slack1> name file boot
[11:48] <maddslacker> maddslacker: that's my name
[11:48] <BP{k}> slack1: english complete sentence properly.
[11:48] <maddslacker> sorry slack1, no idea what you are asking
[11:48] <cudaman73> or not understand us
[11:48] <Urchlay> yoda talk worse you than
[11:49] <maddslacker> talk worse than yuo, yoda does
[11:49] <BP{k}> Urchlay: yoda was just plained stoned. ;-)
[11:49] <rob0> Yoda <3 Kermie
[11:49] <maddslacker> I could understand yoda though
[11:49] <jeev> wtf rob0
[11:49] <Urchlay> slack1: I *think* you're looking for /boot/vmlinuz (which is a symlink to something like vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.2 or whatever)
[11:49] <cudaman73> i dunno, he's just missing some key verbs, methink
[11:49] <maddslacker> lolwut: did you get your thumb drive partitioned?
[11:49] <cudaman73> methinks* rather
[11:49] <BP{k}> rob0: ah you know what they say; it's not easy being green. :)
[11:50] <lolwut> maddslacker, im installing all the deps for gparted atm
[11:50] <maddslacker> cool
[11:50] <maddslacker> you'll be glad yuo did, gparted is very useful
[11:50] <lolwut> I think it went like 7 or 8 deep lol
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[11:50] <maddslacker> heh
[11:50] <lolwut> but sbopkg has a queue thing so is just put em all in that and pushed go lol
[11:50] <lolwut> nice and ez
[11:50] <maddslacker> nice
[11:51] <maddslacker> slack1: so are you trying to dual boot ubuntu and slackware via grub or what?
[11:51] <lolwut> im still pretty new at all this if you cant tell lol
[11:52] <BP{k}> lolwut: yeah it's gtkmm that's the bastard. ;-)
[11:52] <nachox> edman007, excellent, could not have been easier with openssh
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[11:52] <usr13> slack1: Did you get my suggestion?
[11:52] <edman007> :)
[11:52] <lolwut> BP{k}, lol seriously is that all the gnome ish?
[11:52] <maddslacker> not *all*
[11:52] <maddslacker> but some
[11:53] <BP{k}> lolwut: nah.
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[11:53] <lolwut> lol
[11:53] Nick change: yoda -> maddslacker
[11:55] <lolwut> you need ntfs3g to read/write ntfs in slackware right?
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[11:56] <maddslacker> lolwut: mine reads/writes natively, Ididn;t have to add anything
[11:56] <maddslacker> awwww, slack1 left without his answerr
[11:56] <lolwut> really?
[11:57] <lolwut> huh
[11:57] <lolwut> mine recognized the drives but I couldent open them or write to them until i installed ntfs3g, bu
[11:57] <maddslacker> lolwut: I'm at work and thre is a 500GB NTFS external drive attached to this laptop docking station, it comes right up, and I even do my backups to it
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[11:59] <lolwut> maddslacker, weird, im wiping my netbook here in a few and putting slackware on it so I guess ill find out if i am jsut retarded or not soon lol
[11:59] <Necos> ^_^
[12:00] <maddslacker> retarded is a prerequisite
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[12:01] <Necos> speak for yourself maddslacker
[12:02] <maddslacker> Iam
[12:02] <maddslacker> being retarded really helps me
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[12:08] <jeev> http://www.usbchainsaw.com/
[12:09] <rworkman> maddslacker: that's because ntfs-3g is installed as part of Slackware.
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[12:09] <nachox> edman007, damn, i think i need something else, i need to use paros and paros doesnt understand socks...
[12:10] <edman007> winsocks ;)
[12:10] <nachox> ?
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[12:10] <edman007> err...i thought thats what its called, but there is a lib you can load to catch the network calls and pump them into socks
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[12:11] <edman007> ahh, its "ProxyCap" http://www.proxycap.com/download.html
[12:11] <maddslacker> rworkman: That's what I thought, so not sure why lolwut was missing it
[12:11] <edman007> WinSocks is the server made by them
[12:11] <rworkman> Me either
[12:11] <spook> rice cookers are awesome
[12:12] <rworkman> spook: you're using Gentoo now?
[12:12] <rworkman> ;-)
[12:12] <edman007> spook, not if you fail to share
[12:12] <spook> lol.
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[12:12] <vdv> hi all
[12:12] <lolwut> rworkman, for somereason I had to install it after I loaded slackware on to this box
[12:12] <maddslacker> rworkman: do you know if FF 3.5 will make it into 13?
[12:12] <rworkman> lolwut: what Slackware version?
[12:13] <lolwut> rworkman, 12.1
[12:13] <rworkman> maddslacker: I don't know, to be honest.
[12:13] <vdv> how can i configure inetd, so that it will start telnetd on telnet connections?
[12:13] <maddslacker> rworkman: the wording of the changelog sort of implies no
[12:13] <vdv> i uncommented corresponding line in inetd.conf, but it doesn't help
[12:13] <lolwut> rworkman, 12.2**
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[12:14] <rworkman> lolwut: ntfs-3g is included in both, in the A series, no less.
[12:14] <edman007> vdv, did you send inetd the HUP signal or reboot?
[12:14] <rworkman> vdv: are you using telnet over a nonsecure network?
[12:14] <rob0> Is inetd(8) running? Did you send SIGHUP to it?
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[12:15] <maddslacker> vdv what's your ip address again? :D
[12:15] <lolwut> rworkman, ok thanks
[12:15] <vdv> :)
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[12:15] <vdv> i'm behind a provider's nat :)
[12:15] <rworkman> /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart
[12:16] <lolwut> maddslacker, the deps are still installing lol
[12:16] <maddslacker> heh
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[12:17] <maddslacker> lolwut: you could have downloaded the bootable gparted and used it by now
[12:17] <lolwut> maddslacker, nah I like doing things the hard way lol
[12:17] <giant81_> you learn by doing them the hard way
[12:17] <spook> you could netboot it
[12:18] <maddslacker> lolwut: me too actually
[12:19] <giant81_> best way to learn? tinker until you break it, then figure out how to fix it
[12:19] <maddslacker> exactly...on a TEST machnie...not production
[12:19] <giant81_> oh very much on a test machine
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[12:19] <maddslacker> although you do learn much faster when you break a production machine
[12:19] <mac-> how can I check which code page is set for console and terminal at X?
[12:19] <giant81_> I've noticed that... you can learn alot faster when there is a deadline
[12:20] <maddslacker> and a boss pacing
[12:20] <lolwut> maddslacker, soo umm I installed it but it detects no devices when I run it
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[12:21] <maddslacker> not even the system hard drive?
[12:21] <lolwut> maddslacker, nope lol
[12:21] <lolwut> there we go
[12:21] <lolwut> just restarted it and its working now lol
[12:22] <lolwut> wow thats sweet lol
[12:25] <maddslacker> now just don't format yuor system drive with it
[12:25] <maddslacker> heh
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[12:25] <eviljames> I wish I could learn faster... but here I am, doomed to instantaneously know everything.. :(
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[12:26] <Cann0n> hey! i got dial up working on a usb modem
[12:26] <lolwut> maddslacker, so I formatted them but when I try to access them it says that the enclosing drive for the volume is locked
[12:26] <eviljames> Cann0n: Why?
[12:26] <Cann0n> so happy!
[12:26] <maddslacker> 'safely remove' and re-insert the thumb drive
[12:26] <Cann0n> eviljames: it's the only way i get internet at home... in the woods.
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[12:27] <lolwut> maddslacker, i did
[12:27] <maddslacker> weird
[12:27] <maddslacker> new one on me
[12:27] <eviljames> Cann0n: ouch.  I'd move out to the forest, if not for that exact problem.  If I could bet a fibre line built to my log cabin, I'd be in heaven.
[12:28] <Cann0n> eviljames: if you ever have that happen, could i move in with you?
[12:28] <lolwut> maddslacker, I just had to close out of gparted lol
[12:29] <Cann0n> so happy im in the comfort of my own home AND my own computer!
[12:29] <giant81_> mmm fiber at home
[12:29] <giant81_> would be sooo nice
[12:29] <maddslacker> lolwut: well yeah
[12:29] <maddslacker> it literally locks the volume
[12:29] <lolwut> giant81_, only problem is that you would need a fiber switch to really utalize all of it lol
[12:29] <giant81_> though my parents are doing ok with interent rhough Verizonwireless
[12:30] <giant81_> lolwut, media convert to gig E
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[12:30] <Cann0n> maddslacker: having issues with automounting?
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[12:30] <cubicool> Is there a channel for just GnomeSlackBuild? I'm having firefox say "COuldn't load XPCOM" when I try and run it.
[12:30] <cubicool> Didn't happen until after I installed gsb.
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[12:31] <lolwut> maddslacker, thats a sweet little program
[12:31] <eviljames> Cann0n: possibly.  if I was to do it, I'd make a compound.  my own little utopia in the british columbia rainforest.
[12:31] <eviljames> Cann0n: there would be an IQ test and a capital investment required. :P
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[12:31] <lolwut> anyone know where the readme for making a slackware boot flashdrive is slocate has failed me
[12:32] <Cann0n> eviljames: i might mot be book smart, but i can pretend!
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[12:33] <eviljames> Cann0n: Well, I'd like to (as much as feasible) run a think tank or R&D lab out of this presently ficticious compound (one can dream, right?).. so in order to gain access, you'd have to contribute to that in some way.. book smarts be damned, just provide practical ideas!
[12:33] <eviljames> fire|bird: how was the t-storm?
[12:34] <fire|bird> eviljames: It was a heck of a storm.
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[12:34] <fire|bird> a LOT of thunder, lightning, wind, etc.
[12:34] <eviljames> pics or it didn't happen!
[12:34] <lolwut> alienBOB, anychance you could point me to the file containing the wiki for the usb loader
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[12:34] <danklesman> had a bad t-storm here yeasterday...
[12:35] <giant81_> I always thougt that was how they tried to gear IQ tests, you don't have to be book smart, just able to figure out problems
[12:35] <fire|bird> eviljames: I wish I had some, it was dark, so couldn't see the clouds, and lightning is hard to catch.
[12:35] <giant81_> which shows how well you pick stuff up and how well you can use it
[12:35] <eviljames> ahh, too bad.
[12:35] <eviljames> giant81_: Aside from the cultural bias inherent in the IQ test, that is the point.  It's not about how you read but how you think.
[12:35] <fire|bird> eviljames: there's a chance of storms again today. :P
[12:36] <eviljames> exceppelt.
[12:36] <eviljames> err
[12:36] <eviljames> excellent
[12:36] Channel flood from eviljames -- kicking
[12:36] <eviljames> wtf
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[12:36] <fire|bird> hahahahahahaha
[12:36] <fire|bird> wb eviljames :)
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[12:36] <christian> hello
[12:37] <fire|bird> hi
[12:37] <spook> press enter less pls
[12:37] <eviljames> That's what I get for being such a despicable spammer!  one word per line from now on!
[12:37] <fire|bird> :)
[12:37] <danklesman> it was an auto kick script probably
[12:38] <spook> danklesman: its slackboy.
[12:38] <eviljames> danklesman: slackboy = bot, autokicks if you pump out 4 lines in less than 5 seconds (iirc)
[12:38] <fire|bird> danklesman: It was that bot we have here, slackboy. :)
[12:38] <spook> also people with auto-away scripts
[12:38] <danklesman> yeah i kinda figured
[12:38] <fire|bird> or if you change your nick to help :P
[12:39] <eviljames> Or if you change your nick to something like faraway, or layaway..
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[12:39] <Cann0n> fire|bird: SUP!
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[12:40] <Cann0n> i got my laptop online with a usb modem
[12:40] <fire|bird> y0 Cann0n, how's it going?
[12:40] <fire|bird> nice
[12:41] <Cann0n> my mom called in work today... i finally get dial up working to be annyed endlessly about college
[12:41] <spook> lol
[12:42] <Cann0n> she calls up the office of the school and hands me the phone. im like, WTF!
[12:42] <Cann0n> annoyed*
[12:42] <fire|bird> lol
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[12:46] <eviljames> Cann0n: are your parents putting you through college?
[12:48] <edman007> my parents didn't help much with me at all :(
[12:48] <edman007> Cann0n, and stop using dial up, its evil
[12:48] <fire|bird> edman007: that's all he has access to, he's out in the woods somewhere.
[12:48] <eviljames> He's in the bush, leave him be.
[12:48] <Cann0n> eviljames: no, they are making me sign up for financial aid, so i will be broke once i get out
[12:49] <Cann0n> my mom and i just got in a fight over that shit
[12:49] <Necos> welcome to life
[12:49] <fire|bird> y0 Necos
[12:49] <eviljames> Cann0n: Well, they must be supporting you in some way, otherwise how to pay rent or bills while you're in school?
[12:49] <Necos> heya fire|bird
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[12:49] <rk4n3> better to be broke coming out of school than never go to school and be broke your whole life
[12:49] <Cann0n> eviljames: student loans...
[12:49] <edman007> fire|bird, if you get cable you should be able to get a cable modem...and you have to be really out there to not have cable avaible
[12:49] <Necos> Cann0n: stop bitching... we all go thru it =p
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[12:50] <fire|bird> edman007: yeah, should be able to.
[12:50] <fire|bird> Hey rk4n3
[12:50] <rk4n3> hey fire|bird :)
[12:50] <Necos> hey rk4n3
[12:51] <Cann0n> yeah i know but being broke, i dunno how my mom expects me to get to school. it's 40 miles one way..
[12:51] <rk4n3> Necos:  hi - how's it going ?
[12:51] <eviljames> rk4n3: That's the truth!  College grads simply make more money over the course of a lifetime.
[12:51] <maddslacker> sometimes
[12:51] <edman007> Cann0n, nah, its good, i went through 4 years, and ended up with less than $20k in debt...anyways, you HAVE to do the FAFSA stuff to get the pell grant which is the major fed thing where they just give you money
[12:51] <rk4n3> eviljames:  heh - yep imagine that - when you actually have something to offer an employer, your pay goes up - its magic :)
[12:52] <Cann0n> edman007: i cant get it... i already applied
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[12:52] <Cann0n> see, my mom takes care of all the paper work for me, and later wonders why i dont know wtf is going on...
[12:52] <edman007> eviljames, yup...i actually can probably pay off my $20k in 18 months or so..which will be nice
[12:52] <eviljames> maddslacker: The unemployment rate for college grads has been under 2% for decades, and even amidst the 'financial crisis' it hasn't risen.
[12:52] <eviljames> maddslacker: I think it's safe to say 'always'.
[12:52] <maddslacker> that's differnt then them making more money
[12:53] <eviljames> That's the quickest way to look at the problem - more employment = more money.
[12:53] <rk4n3> maddslacker:  ah, yeah there are some "evil" forces out there, like unions, that tend to artificially elevate non-educated work pay
[12:53] <Necos> rk4n3: at work, of course... damn this student email system is shitty
[12:53] <eviljames> Not to mention that average wage for a college graduate is $20,000 / year higher than a non-grad...
[12:53] <edman007> eviljames, i don't know...i heard a lot of people saying that for graduation people this year, only 20% have jobs...
[12:53] <Cann0n> id rather be in jail than living with my parents...
[12:53] <rk4n3> Necos:  sympathies - I'm at work too :)
[12:54] <Necos> LAUSD needs to spend money on a better email system
[12:54] <eviljames> edman007: wtf?  Where?
[12:54] <rk4n3> Cann0n:  I wish my stepson had your view
[12:54] <Cann0n> rk4n3: lol.
[12:54] <edman007> but the tech sector is better than that, its the damn business and English and history people that take it way down
[12:54] <Necos> rk4n3: just send you stepson to Cann0n
[12:54] <eviljames> edman007: Oh, so people who choose pointless degrees (ie: english, economics) have a hard time finding meaningful employment?  I'm SHOCKED.
[12:55] <rk4n3> yeah, what the heck is someone gonna do with an English major besides teach ?
[12:55] <Necos> write books? >.>
[12:55] <Cann0n> being broke and living 30 miles from town
[12:55] <edman007> Necos, but you don't need a degree for that...
[12:55] <eviljames> rk4n3: many businesses employ english grads to write copy/manuals/adverts etc.
[12:55] <rk4n3> Necos:  good idea - if I could get him out of the house at all, I'd be ahead
[12:55] <Necos> write textbooks? debate writing techniques amongst each other?
[12:55] <Cann0n> no sidewalks. takes 6 hours to walk to town
[12:55] <maddslacker> eviljames: http://pastebin.com/d63cbd69c
[12:55] <eviljames> rk4n3: You probably would already know, but hte vast majority of people can barely spell.
[12:55] <maddslacker> I didn't see that clarification there
[12:55] <maddslacker> yuo implied 'all' college grads
[12:56] <maddslacker> even pointless ones
[12:56] <eviljames> maddslacker: heh, touche :D
[12:56] <rk4n3> eviljames:  yeah, I suppose ... still, seems like a stretch to tie that degree to actually needing it
[12:56] <Cann0n> i already finished college once
[12:56] <edman007> a lot of people go to college, just to go, they don't learn something useful, those are the people that can't get a good job and end up drowning in debt from the loans
[12:56] <Cann0n> i did 3 years
[12:56] <Cann0n> going back for 3 more
[12:56] <maddslacker> i'm in college now, I make $75K a year, I very much doubt I will get a $20K upon graduating
[12:56] <eviljames> edman007: I don't know about that, many middle-management positions in large org require a college degree - no matter what the flavour.
[12:57] <Cann0n> i havent worked in almost 3 years
[12:57] <jeev> college is for suckers
[12:57] <Cann0n> florida = NO jobs
[12:57] <rk4n3> eviljames:  very true - I always thought that was sort of a dumb thing, though ... lets hire someone who wasn't smart enough to pick a decent major ... sheesh
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[12:57] <maddslacker> eviljames: but in a general sense, you are correct: http://askville.amazon.com/money-college-graduate-earn/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=3839287
[12:57] <edman007> eviljames, thats an MBA, a lot of those people are fine, because they go to college after they get the job, and the degree is for the salary bump
[12:58] <macavity> who wants to cuddle?
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[12:58] <Cann0n> macavity: me
[12:58] <eviljames> rk4n3: I was one of 3 managers in a GE callcenter without a completed degree (managing a team of 60 in a centre of 1500).. most of my peers were tardonauts who happened to have a sociology or equivalent failure degree.
[12:58] <macavity> Cann0n: then go brush your teeth
[12:58] <rk4n3> Cann0n:  in the spirit of Sam Kinnison ... "Move to where the jobs are !  Ah, Ah, AHHHHHH!"  :)
[12:58] <macavity> Cann0n: ... i dont want to get my **** dirty ;-)
[12:58] <eviljames> at least, those are degrees I consider to be failure degrees - on grounds that they add nothign useful.
[12:58] <Cann0n> im all sad and pissed off. i fucking hate women. who here is female?
[12:59] <eviljames> wtf, how can you hate women?
[12:59] <rk4n3> Cann0n:  women suck - at least the good ones, anyway
[12:59] <Cann0n> macavity: i purposely havent brushed them in 3 days
[12:59] <rk4n3> Cann0n: :)
[12:59] <macavity> Cann0n: no wonder you are having bad luck with women....
[12:59] <Cann0n> rk4n3: ive been to 7 cities in florida looking for work
[12:59] <rk4n3> Cann0n:  then maybe the "in florida" part of that is the problem ;)
[13:00] <Cann0n> eviljames: i hate them. they are all crazy.
[13:00] <macavity> not all of them
[13:00] <dtanner> 1% are not crazy.
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[13:00] <rk4n3> Cann0n:  yes, they're all crazy, but that's no reason to hate them
[13:00] <eviljames> Cann0n: Your perspective is wrong.  Learn to love the crazy, embrace it..
[13:00] <Cann0n> rk4n3: yeah. GA doesnt have much either
[13:00] <dtanner> the last official world-wide poll said
[13:00] <macavity> just the ones who would find them selves talking to a stoned skater boy :P
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[13:00] <eviljames> Cann0n: crazy jealous is the best kind - flirt with other girls and they'll rock your world in bed.
[13:01] <Cann0n> eviljames: trust me... i don't want nother to do with a female until i turn about 40 or 50
[13:01] <dtanner> macavity: you would be suprised at how many women really want a bad boy and not the polished up doctor or lawyer they are living with because of the money
[13:01] <edman007> eviljames, yup...unless your plans are to never see the real world...my cousin is doing that, get a PHD in english and then teach it, and thus will spend their entire life, right up until they retire, in school
[13:01] <macavity> eviljames: or blow your head off with a .357
[13:01] <Cann0n> br, i gotta smoke
[13:01] <rk4n3> macavity:  good point
[13:01] <edman007> Cann0n, now thats a problem, don't smoke
[13:01] <macavity> dtanner: i know.. im not the nice type
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[13:03] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: i see we didnt manage to scare you away?
[13:03] <eviljames> Women, by and large, want a guy who treats them bad 75% of the time, ignores them 20% of the time, and is very affectionate 5% of the time.
[13:03] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: of course not
[13:03] <eviljames> if you wear all black and have piercings/tattoos, you can put that 20% into the 75% and make it a 95/5
[13:03] <macavity> eviljames: no woman i have met to date wants sex 75% of the time... ;-)
[13:04] <eviljames> macavity: I meant in public :D
[13:04] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: but i can't find my monitor anywhere online! hahaha even the manufacturs website must be ashamed they made it....not a trace of it there
[13:04] <antiwire> eviljames: So if I actually go pay the money that I've been waiting to spend on ink I'll get chicks?
[13:04] <rk4n3> eviljames:  my experience is that women want a man they feel they can "fix" 75% of the time, takes care of their needs (mostly financial) 20% of the time, and does housework the rest of the time
[13:05] <macavity> eviljames: if those are your actual statistics, then i think you date the wrong women, or the all right women you date are just still in denial about their need to submit
[13:05] <eviljames> macavity: Ignoring girls at the bar is the best way to take 'em home I find.  It's like some kind of magic candy.. 'that inked-up dude in the black t-shirt keeps ignoring me, he must be awesome.'
[13:05] <Necos> macavity: lol
[13:05] <rk4n3> eviljames:  yeah, you're right on there
[13:05] <eviljames> macavity: consider it a napkin calculation, but north american women by and large are bred to submit.
[13:06] <rk4n3> eviljames:  I got more chicks as a long-haired unemployed guitarist in a rock band than any other time in my life
[13:06] <thumbs> the problem is that the attention is nice.
[13:06] <eviljames> rk4n3: as a short haired employed guitarist - girls dig guitarists. :D
[13:06] <Kenny_Duehit> Women = 70% bat shit crazy + 30% bipolar
[13:06] <rk4n3> haha
[13:06] <Necos> lol evil
[13:06] <Necos> eviljames:
[13:06] <eviljames> Even if you just pick up someone else's acoustig guitar at a party and play 2 chords, guaranteed lay that night.
[13:06] <antiwire> rk4n3: what happens when you bring them to your place that is a funny little hole in the wall apartment?
[13:06] <antiwire> then what!
[13:07] <antiwire> or that doesn't matter and they like it more?
[13:07] <Necos> eviljames: that's why learning an instrument is awesome
[13:07] <rk4n3> antiwire:  that would be a mistake - always go to *her* place :)
[13:07] <antiwire> lol
[13:07] <eviljames> antiwire: and yes, as long as the tattoos aren't your mother's name with a heart or something equally female.
[13:07] <Kenny_Duehit> antiwire, you tell them your going to blindfold them to make it kinky
[13:07] <Necos> lol
[13:07] <eviljames> ++rk4n3;  that's some words of wisdom!
[13:07] <rk4n3> :)
[13:08] <Necos> kenny_Duehit that works too!
[13:08] <eviljames> I used to live in a wild party house - holes in the walls, beer bottles everywhere, the place was always destroyed... it was a chick magnet.
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[13:08] <macavity> if you bite the "rock star" contract with a woman, dont forget to play it by the book: be gone *before* she wakes up
[13:08] <macavity> she expects that
[13:08] <rk4n3> indeed
[13:08] <Cann0n> argh... anyone need a roommate?
[13:08] <Necos> lol
[13:08] <macavity> Cann0n: your ex?
[13:08] <thrice`> macavity: are you on mesa 7.5-ish?
[13:09] <Cann0n> macavity: me. lol
[13:09] <eviljames> macavity: but leave a calling card - 'meet me at [such-n-such bar] at 8PM on Friday' - then show up at 9:30 already drunk.  She'll be yours for life.
[13:09] <macavity> thrice`: nope.. 7.6-devel blew up.. i havent attempted 7.5 yet
[13:09] <macavity> Cann0n: no way :P
[13:09] <Cann0n> i can see it now, 40 years old living with parents
[13:09] <Necos> lol fail
[13:09] <eviljames> hahaha Necos good call.
[13:09] <thrice`> isn't 7.5 the RC / devel of 7.6?
[13:10] <macavity> eviljames: no, that is NO the rock star contract
[13:10] <campassi> i was just thinking, how come people want a 64 bit OS right now?
[13:10] <Necos> more memory
[13:10] <eviljames> macavity: I didn't say that you'd be hers for life, just that she'd be yours -- even after she gets married and stuff, permanent booty call.
[13:10] <eviljames> campassi: able to md5sum things faster!
[13:10] <campassi> ah, yeah, forgot about the memory
[13:10] <Necos> means bigger space to hold integers / numbers / floating point data
[13:11] <Necos> means larger / faster calculations
[13:11] <campassi> yeah, but, it's not really any faster is it?
[13:11] <macavity> eviljames: the rock star contract is: "screw her 'til she begs for mercy. leave sweaty t-shirt with your bands name/logo as a trophy for her to brag to her girlfreinds about"
[13:11] <Cann0n> campassi: because they bought a 64bit processor and want to take advantage of it, which i personally dont see a point other than to keep up with technology
[13:11] <eviljames> macavity: That's a good contract, I'll have to write that down. :D
[13:11] <Cann0n> in 5 years watch a 128bit come out
[13:11] <campassi> i'm thinking, if you don't use programs that utilize 64 bit, why use the OS? stuff doesn't work right with it..
[13:12] <macavity> eviljames: seriously, i have some pretty hot girlfreinds who do that kind of thing when there is prominent bands in the area
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[13:12] <thrice`> there are clear advantages to using 64-bit on 64-bit hardware
[13:12] <Cann0n> macavity: 300lbs isnt hot
[13:12] <macavity> eviljames: they are exactly *no* better than us about trophy hunting
[13:12] <eviljames> campassi: I use 64 bit pretty much everything, I haven't noticed things not working.
[13:12] <Cann0n> unless you like that thing
[13:12] Action: Kenny_Duehit could net get slackware64 to install  :(
[13:12] <macavity> Cann0n: i wasnt talking about your momma
[13:12] <campassi> hmm, i just remember something about flash problems, etc.
[13:12] <eviljames> macavity: Oh, I know.  Women are devious, I think that the best ones are way, way worse than we are about trophy hunting.
[13:13] <Necos> the weight number doesn't matter... proportionality does
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[13:13] <eviljames> Necos: Yeah, if she's 7'2 and 300lbs I'm sure it's all good.
[13:13] <thrice`> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks
[13:13] <Kenny_Duehit> eviljames: 2 words, gold digger
[13:13] <Cann0n> macavity: lol. reminds me of the time i got drunk with a stripper and woke up with 3 piercings
[13:13] <Necos> a 6' woman that weighs 150lbs, that's a fuckin stick
[13:13] <macavity> Necos: so, 300lbs is what? 9 feet tall? :P
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[13:13] <eviljames> (especially considering my 5'11 and 160lbs :D)
[13:13] <Necos> ewww eviljames ya skinny bastard
[13:13] <eviljames> yup
[13:13] <eviljames> You don't see any fat rock stars, do you?
[13:14] <macavity> no.. coffee, the life on the road and amphetamine does that to you :P
[13:14] <eviljames> macavity: hell yea, me and Mick Jagger stay skinny all day that way.
[13:14] <macavity> and brian damaged :P
[13:14] <eviljames> Other things I have in common with Mick Jagger: always dating chicks way out of our league, and generally being awesome.
[13:14] <eviljames> Oh, and what macavity said.
[13:14] <maxote> 64-bit is a must for >=8 GiB PCs
[13:15] <rob0> http://www.heatherhaven.com/ I think she's ~330lb / 150kg
[13:15] <eviljames> rob0: sfw?
[13:15] <rob0> yes
[13:15] <maddslacker> apparetnly not
[13:15] <maddslacker> http://pastebin.com/d1d27fef9
[13:15] <macavity> looking at mick jaggers doughter he must have scored something rigt.. i mean *he* is dog ugly, yet gets a pretty fscking nice kid.. that mother must have been chick^2000
[13:15] <maxote> i will buy 4 modules of 4 GiB each for 16 GiB
[13:16] <maddslacker> macavity: same with steve tyler and his daughter
[13:16] <rob0> hmmm, she says only 210 lb / 95 kg
[13:16] <macavity> danklesman: oh yes :P
[13:16] <Necos> eviljames: lol
[13:16] <Kenny_Duehit> rob0: she would crush me with her thighs
[13:17] <Necos> macavity: fair enough
[13:17] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: or pulverise your pulvis is she did a cowgirl on you :P
[13:17] <rob0> Must have been some other tall girl I saw who was 330
[13:18] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: That's how I wanna die, if givin the choice!
[13:18] <rob0> (saw == saw online pix)
[13:18] <eviljames> Kenny_Duehit: Death by snoo-snoo?
[13:18] <Necos> macavity: you would have came and went in the same moment >.>
[13:18] <Kenny_Duehit> eviljames: YES!
[13:18] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs eviljames 
[13:18] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: being raped to death by a woman you wouldnt have touched with a fire poke even for money?!?
[13:18] <Camarade_Tux> hi everybody :)
[13:18] <Kenny_Duehit> eviljames: i love that futurama
[13:19] <campassi> interesting thrice`
[13:19] <eviljames> Kenny_Duehit: Me too, Bender, Fry and Zapp get in some great mysogeny jokes
[13:19] <macavity> Necos: i think i went out of sync?
[13:19] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: death that way sure beat most of the other ways to die!
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[13:19] <antiwire> you can't rape the willing
[13:19] <Kenny_Duehit> antiwire: so very true
[13:19] <maddslacker> nor can you will the raping
[13:19] <macavity> ok.. id rather just fall a sleep and not wake up than be raped to death...
[13:19] <eviljames> Kenny_Duehit: "Here where women play basketball" Fry: "Oh, really, they any good?" Amazon:"They no dunk, but have good fundamentals" Fry: "So, no." *(laughter)*
[13:19] <Necos> old richard pryor joke =p
[13:20] <Kenny_Duehit> eviljames: :-D
[13:20] <Necos> about his dad dying while having sex (he came and went at the same time)
[13:20] <macavity> dooh :P
[13:21] <fire|bird> hey macavity
[13:21] Action: macavity hasnt slept for about 20h so he is naturally excused
[13:21] <macavity> water|hound!
[13:21] <Necos> macavity: you fail -_-;
[13:21] <macavity> Necos: hush!
[13:22] <Kenny_Duehit> does anyone know of a monitor refresh rate dump online?  I can't find anything about my monitor anywhere...
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[13:22] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: brand and type?
[13:22] <jeev> heh, he said dump
[13:22] <eviljames> Kenny_Duehit: Can't pull the info from Xorg.0.log?
[13:22] <macavity> jeev: shut up Beavis
[13:22] <jeev> uh huh boobs
[13:22] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: hitachi superscan 812
[13:25] <Kenny_Duehit> eviljames: no i can't   on versa drivers now.  can't get nvidia to work properly.  keeps crashing.
[13:25] <agentc0re|work> Wow, fun day so far today!  We had a fire in our building.
[13:25] Action: Kenny_Duehit whisltes.   shhheeeeeewwwwwwww....BOOM!!!!
[13:25] <eviljames> Kenny_Duehit: womp womp :(
[13:25] <agentc0re|work> I feel like i finished the rest of my weeks work by doing what i did today.  I was the only IT guy out side of our building holding backup tapes and our thecus(holds back up data as well).
[13:26] <Camarade_Tux> yo flaming|breasts :)
[13:27] <fire|bird> y0 Camarade_Tux
[13:27] <Necos> brb
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[13:27] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: how is it going? :)
[13:27] <agentc0re|work> We shut down all of our servers too.  Had a doc call us and start to tell us his problem, my co-worker told him "We're on fire!"... and he completely ignored him continuing to tell him his issue and then he interrupted him again and told him the same thing and it then finally clicked.  LOL
[13:27] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: going great, thanks, you?
[13:27] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: Is that the same building as those payment processing jokers?
[13:27] <eviljames> authorize.net I think was the one.
[13:28] <agentc0re|work> No, i'm in a hospital.
[13:28] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: going great too, thanks :)
[13:28] <eviljames> "Why can't I access my e-mail?" "because it's on fire!"
[13:28] Action: Camarade_Tux is sad : eviljames didn't answer my hug ='( 
[13:28] Action: eviljames punches Camarade_Tux in the kidneys.
[13:28] <jeev> Camarade_Tux, he doesn't respect russians
[13:29] <jeev> told you
[13:29] <eviljames> I only accept hugs from cute gals, not frogdudes.
[13:29] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: ='(
[13:29] <fire|bird> haha
[13:29] <jeev> and you should be able to see russia from canada too with sarah palin's standards!
[13:29] <macavity> ok, this is probably the most mysterious monitor to date...
[13:29] <gtl> hi al
[13:29] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: a punch in the kidney is the highest respect I can pay to another gentleman.  You'd have to understand Canadian rednecks to know why :D
[13:29] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: kiss the frogdude and he will transform into a cute gal :)
[13:29] <fire|bird> Hey gtl
[13:29] <gtl> all*
[13:29] <macavity> searching google for 'hitachi superscan 812 vertical refresh rate' yeilds 6 results :-/
[13:29] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: pic or it isn't true. :)
[13:30] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: hey, he hasn't kissed me yet ;)
[13:30] <Kenny_Duehit> hahahha
[13:30] <gtl> fire|bird, what's up?
[13:30] <fire|bird> gtl: not much, how about yourself?
[13:30] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: videotape you kissing yourself and then the transformation that follows. :)
[13:30] <fire|bird> it'll be a youtube sensation.
[13:30] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: if for testing purposes, I have a Viewsonic E70fb I can use instead..
[13:30] <gtl> wrecking my brains at work... that's ok... don't need them anyway ;)
[13:31] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: try that
[13:31] <Kenny_Duehit> macavity: ok,  I'll power down and back up with that screen
[13:31] <macavity> Kenny_Duehit: but dont hold our breath.. i have this nagging feeling that it is just the nvidia driver that has desided to hate you
[13:31] <Kenny_Duehit> :(
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[13:32] <pi31415> thrice`: that ubuntu 32vs64 benchmark has a graph titled Google V8 Benchmark.  I didn't realize Google v8 was 64-bit capable.
[13:32] <jeev> why power down for a monitor change
[13:32] <jeev> heh
[13:32] <gtl> having problems installing an IBM framework on my slackware...
[13:33] <kenny_duehitt> i dono
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[13:34] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I need my true love(tm) to do that
[13:34] <Camarade_Tux> (not sure it's "true love" in english)
[13:34] <eviljames> For the last time, Camarade_Tux, I'm not your true love.
[13:34] <kenny_duehitt> I'm too used to Windows IT troubleshooting is guess, Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[13:34] <eviljames> I'm in a relationship with a girl!
[13:34] <macavity> thrice`: do you happen to track the mesa3d-users mailing list? :P
[13:35] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: the translation was bad : you need to be prince charming or something like that
[13:35] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Well, go find your true love (this could take a while).
[13:35] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: ahh, well, find yourself a nice lebanese girl and get to it dude!
[13:35] <eviljames> ( I know, they're all nice...)
[13:35] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: although, if you're gonna turn into a gal, you may want to find a man. :)
[13:36] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: and I'd probably try to find a lumberjack :D
[13:36] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: ;p
[13:36] <Camarade_Tux> unrelated : I could make 3D porn...
[13:37] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Does France have a dating show you could go on? :P
[13:37] <eviljames> A lumberjack?!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekqsHP9Sck
[13:37] <macavity> ok.. now i shall crash hard and long
[13:37] <macavity> see you all in about 12 hours or something..
[13:37] <fire|bird> later macavity
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[13:38] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: "le salon de 'érotisme"!
[13:38] <spook> hmmm
[13:39] <rworkman> Are French women "easy?"
[13:39] <kenny_duehitt> while booting my lan cable came out, how do I bring eth0 back up?
[13:39] <spook> ifconfig eth0 up
[13:39] <antiwire> I'm about to loose control with my neighbor. She goes into her backyard with guitar and starts belting out off key songs
[13:39] <kenny_duehitt> thx
[13:39] <rworkman> I mean, I suspect that you could just yell "boo! Give it up, bitch!" and they'd surrender.
[13:39] <antiwire> and she does it everyday with no improvement
[13:39] <fire|bird> antiwire: haha
[13:39] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: no, not that song! ;)
[13:39] <pi31415> eviljames, why do you keep pasting that video?
[13:40] <Camarade_Tux> rworkman: not more than any other
[13:40] <Camarade_Tux> and probably less than lots of american women
[13:40] <eviljames> antiwire: Go over there and tune it.
[13:40] <rworkman> Camarade_Tux: sorry, I think humor (or the attempt at least) didn't translate.
[13:40] <spook> antiwire: record her, then play it back to her through big speakers
[13:40] <eviljames> pi31415: just because people love it so much.
[13:41] <pi31415> victim blaming is evil indeed
[13:41] <rworkman> Camarade_Tux: it was a (bad?) joke about French history
[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> rworkman: it's quite hard for me to get some puns ;)
[13:41] <rworkman> :)
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[13:41] <Camarade_Tux> now I'm trying to find what could have been that historical event, hmmm
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[13:42] <antiwire> all she seems to be interested in is trying to hit those super loud screaming notes like christina aguilera so she keeps singing the same verse of some song she wrote over and over and over and it goes like this "oh eeeoh eeeoh I know why I'm going home with you OOHHHYEE OHHEEE OHHH...repeat"
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[13:42] <eviljames> antiwire: Get your own guitar and do the same, but much louder.
[13:42] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks the heat doesn't help him think >< 
[13:43] <Kenny_Duehit> antiwire: think electric guitar with BIG amp
[13:43] <spook> antiwire: use my idea
[13:43] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: water bomb
[13:43] <Camarade_Tux> ... or horny dog
[13:43] <antiwire> more like hydraulic water canon
[13:43] <spook> just play herself back to her
[13:43] <eviljames> spook: your idea will just encourage her.  If she can't hear that she's out of tune while singing, it's likely that she can't hear it from a recording.
[13:43] <Camarade_Tux> rworkman: think I got it, ... slow xP
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[13:44] <spook> eviljames: well you do it not only when shes singing, but also late at night
[13:44] <antiwire> I don't know shit about reading music but I can at least tell when someone is so far out of tune that cats fear it
[13:44] <eviljames> spook: touche.
[13:44] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: scream "OMGWTFBBQ, Mickael Jackson is alive, he is aliiiiiiiiive!" and hope she runs home and watches tv
[13:44] <spook> eviljames: or digitally make her sound even worse.
[13:45] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: better, scream "OMGWTFBBQ!!  Christina Aguilera died in a plane crash onto Neverland ranch?  How can this week get any worse?!"
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[13:45] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: hahaha ;p
[13:46] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: did you see hannamontana.sf.net ? ;)
[13:46] <agentc0re|work> ...
[13:46] <eviljames> NO, DO NOT MENTION THAT AGAIN
[13:46] <spook> i think the network on my htpc might be broken
[13:46] <eviljames> IT DOESN'T EXIST
[13:46] <agentc0re|work> Camarade_Tux: is that work safe?
[13:46] <agentc0re|work> lol
[13:46] <agentc0re|work> oh.
[13:46] Action: eviljames covers eyes, plugs ears
[13:46] <maddslacker> eviljames: it's the natural evolution of ubnutu
[13:46] <agentc0re|work> Quick, go to your happy place!
[13:46] <agentc0re|work> http://timecube.com
[13:47] <agentc0re|work> !
[13:47] <eviljames> agentc0re|work: ah, timecube... thanks for restoring my sanity by posting a good link.
[13:47] <plee2> spook, what os?
[13:47] <Camarade_Tux> agentc0re|work: yes but it cannot be unseen
[13:47] <spook> plee2: what
[13:47] <pi31415> What is appealing about timecube?
[13:47] <plee2> on the htpc :)
[13:47] <spook> timecube is the worse site on the internet.
[13:47] <spook> but also the best.
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[13:48] <spook> plee2: slackware.  i think its hardware.
[13:48] <antiwire> that's it. I'm going to take my frustration out on a wifi hotspot somewhere else.
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[13:48] <plee2> cool :) I'm working on my htpc now :) slackware and xbmc :)
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[13:48] <spook> i'm using mythtv
[13:49] <plee2> cool :) this will be my first test, so I'll also try mythtv and see how that looks and feels :)
[13:49] <eviljames> pi31415: Uh, it's the theory of everything duh.  It's obvious that physics and reality have it all wrong and Ray Gene knows all.
[13:49] <spook> you need the mythvideo plugin.
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[13:51] <plee2> yeah :) I'm also waiting on a ca-module and the code for it from a buddy of mine.. Will be nice to get the ugly tuner out of the bench
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[13:52] <mirash> hi slackiens!
[13:53] <mirash> anyone ther?
[13:53] <eviljames> YES
[13:53] <mirash> how can i connect to interet using dial up?
[13:53] <pi31415> heh.  . o O (Why is this script still hanging?  Oh.. I am editing it on one server and running it on another.)
[13:53] <Kenny_Duehit> Can VESA support any resolution as long as my monitor and video card can handle it?
[13:54] <Kenny_Duehit> any standard resolution that is
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[13:55] <pi31415> I seem to recall having to tweak my BIOS from Linux to get an Intel video adapter to use the native resolution of my LCD TV
[13:55] <mirash> is ther a way to conect to broadband using dial up mode?
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[13:55] <pi31415> mirash: that sounds like a joke
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[13:56] <plee2> mirash, if you have pppoe yes
[13:56] <mirash> in windows, i hav RASDIAL. i need an equivalent one here.
[13:56] <mirash> how to use pppoe?
[13:57] <spook> mirash: rp-pppoe
[13:57] <mirash> then?
[13:57] <spook> mirash: pppoe-setup
[13:57] <mirash> and
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[13:58] <plee2> there is a package called rp-pppoe
[13:58] <mirash> does it ship with slack
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[13:58] <spook> mirash: yes
[13:58] <plee2> yes
[13:59] <Camarade_Tux> Kenny_Duehit: vesa can support quite a lot of resolutions, for instance I use it with 1280x800
[14:02] <Kenny_Duehit> I'm trying to look up how to change mine to 1600x1200
[14:02] <spook> increase the... hsync?
[14:03] <spook> yeah, increase the hsync range up to your monitor's max.
[14:04] <spook> 50hz only does 1024x768 maximum
[14:04] <Kenny_Duehit> what would 1600x1200 be then?
[14:04] <spook> can your monitor do it?
[14:05] <Kenny_Duehit> yes
[14:05] <Kenny_Duehit> that is my standard res when in windows.
[14:05] <illuz1oN> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCRNXUngAM * LOL *
[14:05] <spook> 60Hz is 1280x1024
[14:07] <Kenny_Duehit> is google.ca down?
[14:07] <Kenny_Duehit> that can't be right
[14:07] <spook> ca = ?
[14:07] <Kenny_Duehit> canada
[14:08] <Kenny_Duehit> home of hockey
[14:08] <spook> when are the damn gTLDs coming out?
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[14:11] <eviljames> Kenny_Duehit: Canada <- greatest place on eareth.
[14:11] <eviljames> s/eareth/earth/
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[14:12] <pi31415> illuz1on: disturbing
[14:12] <Kenny_Duehit> eviljames: I sure enjoy canada.  I've never really been to too many other places to comapre it to though
[14:12] <illuz1oN> It's funny
[14:12] <illuz1oN> :D
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[14:14] <jeev> eviljames, canada sucks
[14:14] <Urchlay> the worst thing about vesa is that the standard modes have such low refresh rates (which only matters on a CRT anyway, but still...)
[14:14] <eviljames> hah
[14:14] <eviljames> jeev: If anything sucks, it's Iran.  They can't even do an election right!
[14:14] <jeev> eh
[14:14] <jeev> america can't do an election right either, what's your point
[14:15] <Kenny_Duehit> eviljames: America is right up there with fked up ballot counting :D
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[14:15] Action: eviljames <- Canadian.  Doesn't care what America does in their elections.
[14:15] <andarius> greetings and salutations
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[14:15] <eviljames> Here, we trade parties without too much in the way of miscounts or gunfire.
[14:15] <fire|bird> greetings andarius, how are you?
[14:15] <andarius> salutations fire|bird, goes well. Vacation and all. You ?
[14:16] <jeev> i want shawarma right now
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[14:16] <sp> Kenny_Duehit: when I was trying to get my monitor to do 1600x1200, I looked up the monitor's specs on the manufacturer's site and entered the refresh rates they listed there
[14:16] <fire|bird> andarius: doing great, thanks. Ah, vacation, nice.
[14:16] <kenny_duehitt> I only eat shawarma when I'm drunk
[14:16] <andarius> very, two weeks of doing nothing
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[14:16] <eviljames> jeev: Isn't that a fancy word for Donair?
[14:17] <kenny_duehitt> sp: I can't find my monitor anywhere
[14:17] <fire|bird> andarius: sweet, how much vacation do you have left?
[14:17] <jeev> i dunno/give rats ass
[14:17] <kenny_duehitt> sp: i think the manufacterure is embarrased by it and deleted all records :(
[14:17] <andarius> after this two weeks, since it is the end of the year i get reset for two more.
[14:17] <sp> lol
[14:17] <andarius> i am near done with my first week off this round
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[14:18] <sp> so, what kind of monitor is it?
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[14:18] <kenny_duehitt> sp: hitachi Superscan 812
[14:18] <kenny_duehitt> CRT :D
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[14:19] <Urchlay> kenny_duehitt: don't use a CRT with a refresh rate of less than 72Hz (you'll end up with mysterious headaches). Above 80Hz is even better.
[14:19] <eviljames> jeev: I googled it, sure enough shawarma = donair :D
[14:19] <Urchlay> kenny_duehitt: if that means reducing the resolution, do it.
[14:19] <jeev> eviljames, why dont you google testicles + your mouth and then add mine to it
[14:19] <kenny_duehitt> Urchlay: ok
[14:19] <eviljames> jeev: A little 'testy' over the Iran/election joke are we?
[14:20] <jeev> no lol
[14:20] <kenny_duehitt> Maybe  I'll try to get 1280x1024 working
[14:23] <kenny_duehitt> let's play a game
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[14:23] <kenny_duehitt> google your first and last name and see who get's the most results
[14:23] <pri4pus> Where irssi keeps log files, history?
[14:23] <kenny_duehitt> 1,720,000
[14:24] <jeev> i googled eviljames's first and last name, got a billion results, 'penis toucher'
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[14:24] <plee2> 10100
[14:24] <plee2> hehe
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[14:25] <witz> 0 hits here.
[14:25] <eviljames> 294,000
[14:25] <eviljames> not bad.
[14:25] <kenny_duehitt> I am winning
[14:25] <witz> I'm off the radar heh
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[14:25] <eviljames> None of mine are about me, though.
[14:26] <kenny_duehitt> flooded google did you?
[14:26] <eviljames> I google bombed myself.  when you search 'penis toucher' it finds all sorts of things about me.
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[14:26] <Urchlay> 8,030,000  <--- none of them are actually about me, either
[14:27] <kenny_duehitt> someone must have a more common name then mine.  people can't even spell my last name properly! :P
[14:27] <witz> O.o
[14:27] <jeev> Urchlay, that's not a good sign because you're a performer!
[14:27] <kenny_duehitt> haha
[14:27] <Urchlay> jeev: eh, well, it takes a while to get famous you know...
[14:27] <giant81_> so if I'm reading slackpkg documentation right, to go from 12.2 to -current I'd set my mirror to a -current, then do an install-new? then upgrade-all?
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[14:27] <mirash> done
[14:27] <spook> only 5080 results for my name
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[14:28] <spook> i'm a female astronaught
[14:28] <jeev> Urchlay, how'd you go through all 8 million so fast/
[14:28] <fire|bird> 1,310,000 for my name. for my nick, I get 35,600,000 :)
[14:28] <giant81_> 755,000 unknown how many about me
[14:28] <giant81_> mostly stupid spam pages about finding people
[14:28] <Urchlay> jeev: I really meant "none of the first page of results are about me", no way am I going thru 8 million, fast or slow
[14:29] <jeev> :>
[14:29] <giant81_> holy crap
[14:29] <giant81_> I found a hit
[14:30] <spook> holy shit people have the same last name as me?
[14:30] <giant81_> it's my amazon profile I didn't know I had
[14:31] <witz> tsk tsk
[14:31] <nix_chix0r> spook, you just want to join the million mile high club:P
[14:31] <spook> nix_chix0r: what?
[14:31] <fire|bird> Hey nix_chix0r, how are you?
[14:31] <nix_chix0r> i just read that you're a female astronaut
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[14:32] <spook> nix_chix0r: someone shares my name, and is a female astronaut
[14:32] <thrice`> srsly jeev , go faster
[14:32] <spook> ask jeeves
[14:32] <Kenny_Duehit> Kenny Duehit only gets 650, but the whole first page is all me
[14:32] <nix_chix0r> oh well that sucks for you;)
[14:32] <nix_chix0r> girly man
[14:33] <spook> nix_chix0r: lol, thanks.
[14:33] <nix_chix0r> np
[14:33] <Kenny_Duehit> I'd love to see boobs in space.   just floating there....
[14:33] Action: Kenny_Duehit snaps back to reality
[14:33] <giant81_> hehe... nix chix = good name for an all girl LUG
[14:33] <witz> lol
[14:33] <fire|bird> Kenny_Duehit: quit daydreaming, you have work to do. :)
[14:33] <spook> like in futurama, where scruffy is reading 'zero-gee juggs'
[14:34] <Kenny_Duehit> haha
[14:34] <Urchlay> always thought they should do an episode about scruffy
[14:34] <nix_chix0r> kenny g
[14:34] <Urchlay> make him the star of the show, just once
[14:34] <giant81_> chixnix = distro build by above mentioned all girl LUG
[14:34] <spook> i'm scruffy, the janitor
[14:34] <Kenny_Duehit> i love when fry says "I get it" then they reveal something else and he says again " OOO, NOW i get it!"
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[14:35] <nix_chix0r> giant81_, it probally wouldn't support anything
[14:35] <nix_chix0r> and would be very unstable
[14:35] <plee2> anyone here using a radeon hd3200 by any chance? I have a problem installing the catalyst driver
[14:35] <spook> and requires pads every month
[14:35] <nix_chix0r> haha
[14:35] <fire|bird> lol
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[14:36] <giant81_> nix_chix0r and wouldn't let you interface with it for a week every month
[14:36] <Urchlay> I like the subtle stuff... like, when they're on the Titanic, there are a bunch of pictures of naval guys on the wall, one of them's a robot and the caption says "Commodore LXIV" (you see it for like half a second...)
[14:36] <fire|bird> spook: but, it's linux, there can be a patch made to fix that. ;)
[14:36] <nix_chix0r> yeahh
[14:36] <spook> lol.
[14:36] <beatzz> sup all.
[14:36] <Kenny_Duehit> hi
[14:36] <nix_chix0r> so who's going to have a little girl for my similac sucking monkey boy to marry. i'm saving up the dowry
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[14:37] <spook> heh'
[14:37] <Urchlay> arranging marriages is kinda unfashionable I thought (especially when the kids are still infants...)
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[14:37] <giant81_> my monkey girl would give that monkey boy a run for his money
[14:38] <nix_chix0r> got one offer on the table at least:))
[14:38] <spook> in india, where most marriages are arranged, they have a very small divorce rate.
[14:38] <giant81_> redheaded, fire temper'd, crazy child
[14:39] <nix_chix0r> oh nooo
[14:39] <eviljames> spook: I don't know if that has as much to do with the marriage itself, or cultural sensibilities.
[14:39] <nix_chix0r> a redhead. i don't want ginger grandchildren
[14:39] <spook> eviljames: heh
[14:39] <Urchlay> spook: wonder why that is. If someone told me who I was going to marry, and I didn't like her, I'd get a divorce so fast, you'd miss the entire marriage if you blinked
[14:39] <giant81_> probably has more to do with the fact they figure, once your married you never split
[14:39] <giant81_> nix_chix0r nothing wrong with ginger babies
[14:40] <nix_chix0r> my friends mom has been legally seperated for 14 years cause she can't afford to divorce the drunk bastard
[14:40] <giant81_> nix_chix0r expecially if they aren't yours, and you don't have to handle their tempor
[14:40] <nix_chix0r> giant81_, oh i believe it
[14:40] <Urchlay> OTOH, if some girl's parents commanded her to marry me, that'd save me a lot of trouble I guess...
[14:41] <nix_chix0r> Urchlay,  i have a half sister
[14:41] <spook> is she single?
[14:42] <Urchlay> top half, bottom half, or is she split sideways?
[14:42] <nix_chix0r> if you're an abusive drunk, you'd be perfect for her cause that's all she ever seems to want to date
[14:42] <spook> i can be an abusive drunk if thats what she likes
[14:43] <nix_chix0r> she must like that or she'd date some one decent
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[14:43] <Urchlay> bleah, so I'm not a big enough asshole for her...
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[14:44] <abby> assholes have character
[14:44] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: She'd love me.
[14:44] <abby> don't have to be an asshole, just a personality
[14:44] <Urchlay> spent too many years chasing a girl like that (my function was to provide a shoulder for her to cry on, in between abusive boyfriends/husbands)
[14:44] <nix_chix0r> i'm sure if you smacked her around every now and then for making the spagetti sauce wrong and rubbing her face in it she'd be yours forever
[14:44] <spook> nix_chix0r: awesome!!!
[14:44] <abby> Urchlay, tell her you want to lay down some pipe lol
[14:45] <spook> nix_chix0r: whats her number?
[14:45] <nix_chix0r> 867-5309?
[14:45] <nix_chix0r> i have no idea
[14:45] <abby> two types of guys, the sucker and the fucker
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[14:45] <eviljames> Urchlay: If you had blown her off instead of been the shoulder to cry on you might not be on irc right now. :D
[14:45] <Urchlay> abby: I quit talking to her a few years ago, she married her meth dealer and they've stayed together (assuming they haven't died of meth o/d)
[14:46] <straterra> abby: i prefer doing both to vagina
[14:47] <abby> she doesn't sound like that great a person
[14:47] <Urchlay> eh, she was, 10+ years before that when I first met her
[14:47] <spook> nix_chix0r: no really
[14:47] <Urchlay> but it'd be hard for you to meet her now and see the beautiful person she used to be
[14:47] <nix_chix0r> i honestly don't know her number i see her every now and then working at one place getting fired.
[14:48] <nix_chix0r> new job every month it seems
[14:48] <Necos> ...?
[14:48] <Kenny_Duehit> So I found some light light specs of my monitor of an old school forum
[14:48] <Kenny_Duehit> is it bad that it is from Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:42:58 -0500
[14:48] <spook> yes
[14:49] <Kenny_Duehit> lol
[14:49] <dustybin> are there any non-GUI-tards in this channel?
[14:50] <abby> Urchlay, sounds like you loved her
[14:50] <abby> Urchlay, you ever tell her?
[14:50] <nix_chix0r> Urchlay, is she a poster chick for women who did meth that were gorgeous
[14:50] <nix_chix0r> and now look like scraggly women from that movie monster
[14:50] <abby> A lot of guys make the mistake of not voicing how they feel
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[14:51] <nix_chix0r> dear abby, ....i don't think he needs dating advice
[14:51] <witz> dustybin: HOLA
[14:52] <Cann0n> best dating advice ever: DON'T!
[14:52] <witz> lol
[14:52] <Cann0n> girls = evil
[14:52] <nix_chix0r> if my husband was tweeking out on meth i'd say bai bai
[14:52] <Kenny_Duehit> Urchlay: do you think 1600x1200@75hz would bother the eyes much?
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[14:53] <Necos> i missed the whole convo regarding this phantom woman >.>
[14:53] <dustybin> anybody here use minimal window managers like: ratpoison, ion3, awesome, wmii-3, dwm, scumwm, xmonad   ?
[14:54] <plee2> currently using twm on my 37" full hd lcd tv :) hehe
[14:54] <abby> nix_chix0r, sure
[14:54] <plee2> 1920x1080 of xterm! oh yeah :)
[14:54] <abby> I'm probably bad at giving advice anyway, since I've been married since the dawn of time
[14:54] <abby> lol
[14:55] <abby> HD huh
[14:55] <nix_chix0r> one day i'll be a veteran at marriage and will have an advice colum
[14:55] <spook> you can run, but you cant glide! pew pew!
[14:55] <Necos> reee
[14:56] <rk4n3> dustybin:  I use ion3
[14:56] <abby> got the same resolution on this laptop
[14:56] <dustybin> rk4n3: you like it?
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[14:56] <rk4n3> dustybin:  absolutely love it
[14:56] <dustybin> ace :D
[14:56] <giant81_> holy crap
[14:56] <giant81_> I like the minimal windows manager approach
[14:56] <giant81_> sweet
[14:56] <Cann0n> nix_chix0r: would you let me move in if you ditched ur dude?
[14:56] <plee2> abby, nice :)
[14:57] <nix_chix0r> Cann0n, you're welcome here any time:)
[14:57] <nix_chix0r> i'll cook for you
[14:57] <nix_chix0r> i'll just throw him in a closet
[14:57] <rk4n3> Cann0n:  its a trap - you'll have to change diapers
[14:57] <plee2> abby, I only have a 12.1 laptop, so max is 1280x800.
[14:58] <Necos> nix_chix0r: don't threaten the hubby with a good time >.>
[14:58] <nix_chix0r> rk4n3, he's almost 4 months he changes his own diapers
[14:58] <rk4n3> haha
[14:58] <Urchlay> abby: I did tell her, multiple times. She'd say "I love you too", then go back home to whoever she was with at the time
[14:58] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: is he making slackbuilds yet? :)
[14:58] <rk4n3> heck, he's old enough to send him out to work !  :)
[14:58] <Cann0n> oh.. yeah.. i dont touch babies... that includes diaper duty and burping...
[14:58] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, almost!
[14:58] <Urchlay> Kenny_Duehit: 75Hz is probably fine. I'm more sensitive to flicker than most people, I'd notice it, but you might not
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[15:00] <nix_chix0r> so i thought about bringing my computer to my buddies who has unlimited bandwidth and rsyncing those movies through ssh but the person i want them from has a min upload of 300k so it would take weeks for 800gigs
[15:00] <Kenny_Duehit> Urchlay: does it make sense that my hsync is 31 - 107 Khz?
[15:00] <Necos> Cann0n: babies are chick magnets >.>
[15:00] <Urchlay> Kenny_Duehit: that doesn't sound unusual
[15:00] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  send your friend a 1TB hard drive and just have him copy and mail it back to you
[15:01] <Kenny_Duehit> Urchlay: ok,  thx
[15:01] <nix_chix0r> i may just have to drive to his plce again and finish the transfer
[15:01] <nix_chix0r> i want those damn movies
[15:01] <Cann0n> Necos: i'd rather skate that deal with chick drama... lol
[15:01] <nix_chix0r> time for work bai
[15:01] <Cann0n> i just want boom boom
[15:02] <Necos> skate? ewww
[15:02] <nix_chix0r> rk4n3, i was thinking about that
[15:02] <nix_chix0r> it's a 3hrs drive to his house
[15:03] <nix_chix0r> i'd transfer it over my internet but i have satellite and a 12gb monthly max bandwidth so
[15:03] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  ah, then driving the HD there works too - age old saying:  "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes"
[15:03] <Kenny_Duehit> wait,   If I change my Hsync to be 31 - 107 khz   do I need to change my Vsync from the standard 40 - 90  ??
[15:03] <giant81_> ok is 12.2 and -current the same?
[15:03] <nix_chix0r> my media pc will be complete eventually
[15:03] <Kenny_Duehit> eventually.  lol
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[15:03] <Necos> hahaha rk4n3
[15:03] <rk4n3> :)
[15:03] <Urchlay> eh, both hsync and vsync should match what the monitor's specs say they are. If you don't know, 40-90 is a reasonable guess for vsync
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[15:04] <nix_chix0r> i miss cable internet:(
[15:04] <nix_chix0r> makes me want to move out of this house in the woods just to get it once more
[15:04] <giant81_> nix_chix0r how far out into the woods?
[15:04] <Cann0n> nix_chix0r: im on dial up now
[15:04] <spook> measured in reisers
[15:04] <Kenny_Duehit> Urchlay: i can't find specs from the manufacturer. just an old email in a thread from 1999
[15:05] <Urchlay> Kenny_Duehit: is that monitor *really* old (like early 1990s)? If it was made in the mid/late 90s, it should be smart enough to shut down the picture tube if it's given a signal it can't sync to (it may or may not be smart enough to display a "sync rate out of range" message)
[15:05] <nix_chix0r> giant81_,  theres  3 houses near me but the rest are 7miles away
[15:05] <giant81_> a couple old primestar dishes and home made 2.4ghz antenna and you could beam a signal from furtehr away to where you are
[15:05] <Kenny_Duehit> Urchlay: http://pastebin.com/d3c1dfee8
[15:05] <nix_chix0r> i'm a mile past the cable box in the wrong direction
[15:05] <nix_chix0r> so they say
[15:05] <Urchlay> #
[15:05] <Urchlay>     auto sync range: 31-107 kHz  50-160 Hz,
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[15:05] <nix_chix0r> well dsl anyway
[15:05] <Urchlay> there's your hsync and vsync specs right there, assuming they're correct
[15:05] <nix_chix0r> if i drive two hours north i'll be in canada
[15:05] <Kenny_Duehit> Vsync being 50-160?
[15:06] Action: Kenny_Duehit lives in canada.   come by and buy me a beer some time ;)
[15:06] <giant81_> you can line of sight cable speeds between old dishes for almost nothing
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[15:06] <Urchlay> Kenny_Duehit: yes
[15:07] <Urchlay> horizontal sync is usually given in kHz, vertical in Hz
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[15:07] <giant81_> so if I point my slackpkg to -current instead of 12.2, they really aren't that far apart?
[15:07] <spook> they are very far apart
[15:07] <thrice`> 12.2 is very apart from -current :>
[15:07] <spook> current is 13-rc1
[15:08] <Kenny_Duehit> I'm scared but I'm gonna try restarting X.
[15:08] Action: Kenny_Duehit crosses fingers
[15:08] <giant81_> I'm looking for a way to safely upgrade from 12.2 to -current so I can try out KDE4, all I read says to go to -current folder on the mirror and check the 'upgrade.txt'
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[15:08] <giant81_> but the 'upgrade.txt' talks about going from 12.1 to 12.2
[15:08] <thrice`> the process in upgrade.txt is pretty generic, and doesn't change
[15:08] <giant81_> ahh ok
[15:08] <giant81_> so it should work for 12.2 to -current
[15:09] <thrice`> it doesn't use slackpkg either
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[15:09] <thrice`> (upgrade.txt, that is)
[15:09] <Kenny_Duehit> F*CK YEA!!!
[15:09] Action: giant81_ puts his helmet on
[15:09] <thrice`> slackpkg should work fine as you mentioned, though :)  just follow the man page's order
[15:09] <giant81_> AAARRrrrgggg, I'm going in!!!
[15:10] <Kenny_Duehit> 1600x1200@86hz   I feel like god must feel!
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[15:10] <Kenny_Duehit> however I can see a small line scrolling upward..  :(
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[15:12] <Urchlay> kenny_duehitt: whoa, 1600x1200@86 is pretty impressive for something that old... it's not interlaced, is it?
[15:12] Action: kenny_duehitt does not know what interlaced means
[15:13] <Urchlay> eh. Are there visible horizontal scanlines in the picture?
[15:13] <kenny_duehitt> also i switched to 1280x1024 and crashed X, haha.  my win was short lived.
[15:13] <kenny_duehitt> yes, I can see the scanline scrolling upwards
[15:14] <Urchlay> eh, a single line that creeps up the screen? That may just be interference from something like a refrigerator or A/C compressor on the same circuit
[15:14] <kenny_duehitt> well more then a single line
[15:14] <kenny_duehitt> more like a bunch and look faded
[15:15] <Urchlay> eh, probably you're looking at an interlaced picture. Each time the screen gets drawn, it only draws half the lines on the screen (first all the even-numbered ones, then all the odd ones)
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[15:15] <Urchlay> try dropping the resolution
[15:16] <Urchlay> 1600x1200 also gives you teeny little pixels that probably look fuzzy on that old tube
[15:16] <kenny_duehitt> I dropped it in KDE to 1280x1024 but x crashed
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[15:16] <kenny_duehitt> no they look nice actually
[15:16] <kenny_duehitt> this monitor when it was new was worth over 1000$
[15:17] <kenny_duehitt> it is very crisp for a CRT
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[15:18] <Urchlay> hm. take a look at this: http://www.ckollars.org/lcdtest.html
[15:18] <Urchlay> does the background appear to move?
[15:18] <Urchlay> and can you tell it's a checkerboard?
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[15:21] <Kenny_Duehit> i can tell it a checkerboard, and it doesn't move too much.  haha
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[15:22] <Kenny_Duehit> it looks very strange to me
[15:22] <Kenny_Duehit> I see what you meant a bit fuzzy
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[15:22] <Urchlay> here's another test for you... go find a mostly-white screen (web page, or empty document in a gui text editor or something)...
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[15:23] <Urchlay> with the white screen displaying, turn your chair around to the left, then back up a few feet...
[15:23] <Necos> >.>
[15:24] <Urchlay> ...look at a point on the wall or whatever directly in front of you, so the white display is visible only in the corner of your eye
[15:24] <Urchlay> if it appears to flicker like mad, it means your refresh rate is too low
[15:24] <Urchlay> (try with both left and right eye)
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[15:26] <spook> GHOST BUSTERS
[15:27] <Kenny_Duehit> I don't think I see it flickering....I should be good. Maybe I'm just slow in the head :D  I will keep in mind to lower the res and up the refresh rates if I get a neadache though
[15:27] <Urchlay> good plan
[15:27] <Urchlay> different people are more or less sensitive to flicker, I don't really know the reasons
[15:28] <Urchlay> I can actually see the flicker of a fluorescent light tube, which drives me completely insane in an office that's lit up with 8 or 10 of them
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[15:29] <Kenny_Duehit> that sucks
[15:29] <Kenny_Duehit> ok, I need to know now!
[15:29] <Urchlay> yeah, especially when using a CRT monitor in such an environment
[15:29] <Kenny_Duehit> how do I make IRC say cool reasons that I exit the room for?
[15:29] <straterra> Kenny_Duehit: /quit
[15:29] <thrice`>  /quit i like boys
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[15:30] <straterra> loser
[15:30] <Urchlay> either "/quit [reason goes here]" or "/part #channel [reason goes here]"
[15:30] <spook> Kenny_Duehit: its considered 'impolite'
[15:30] <straterra> he wanted part
[15:30] <straterra> I wanted him to quit
[15:30] <Urchlay> what is? quit/part reasons?
[15:30] <kenny_duehitt> i just did /quit and it deleted the group from my chat too.  haha
[15:30] <straterra> You disconnected from the server
[15:31] <kenny_duehitt> straterra: :P
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[15:31] <Kenny_Duehit> so It's /part that i want. huh
[15:32] <Kenny_Duehit> well played straterra, well played
[15:32] <giant81_> ok how do I wget the entire http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ directory? I thought it was
[15:32] <Urchlay> heh. reminds me of the "how do I do <whatever> on IRC?" where people would answer "Alt-F4"
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[15:32] <giant81_> wget -m http://url.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/
[15:33] <thumbs> giant81_: man wget
[15:33] <giant81_> I tried man wget
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[15:33] <giant81_> that is where I got -m from
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[15:34] <thumbs> giant81_: look for 'recursive'
[15:34] <giant81_> I tried -r too, no luck, I wonder if I should be using -r with the ftp:
[15:34] <eviljames> I'm pretty sure rsync would be easier.
[15:34] <giant81_> instead of the http
[15:34] <Urchlay> recursion (n.) - see "recursion"
[15:35] <thumbs> Urchlay: hahahaha
[15:35] <DeeeeP> is the dude that was running LTSP on his network around ?
[15:35] <giant81_> all I ever get with any of them is the robots.txt and the index.html
[15:37] <plee2> good night guys
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[15:39] <Kenny_Duehit> cool
[15:39] <spook> dont cross the streams
[15:40] <Kenny_Duehit> was that at me spook?
[15:41] <brklynRednek> is anyone in the nyc area?
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[15:45] <Urchlay> brklynRednek: no, the NYC area is completely deserted, it's been evacuated due to nuclear waste or something (you'd know this if you ever left your basement lair...)
[15:45] <Necos> trying to save yourself again, eh?
[15:46] <brklynRednek> Urchlay, i  was referring to anyone in the channel...needing some perspective on a few neighborhoods
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[15:47] <antiwire> my friend keeps calling me on his lunch break each day to vent on me about things that he can't talk to his girlfriend about because she hardly speaks English enough to understand why he is ranting.
[15:48] <fire|bird> maybe he needs to hire a translator.
[15:48] <Urchlay> maybe he needs a new girlfriend?
[15:48] <Cann0n> or no girl friend
[15:48] <fire|bird> english speaking preferably.
[15:48] <Alan_Hicks> I *HATE* stupid users!
[15:48] <antiwire> seriously
[15:48] <fire|bird> Hey Alan_Hicks, how are you?
[15:49] <giant81_> hmmm worked with ftp
[15:49] <giant81_> but wouldn't work http
[15:49] <Alan_Hicks> fire|bird: Pissed off at the moment.
[15:49] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: you hide it well. :)
[15:49] Action: giant81_ wonders if he needed to put a TAG argument in to make it follow <a href= tags
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[15:50] <Alan_Hicks> I spent the whole week-end of the 4th moving an aged sendmail installation over to postfix and dovecot with pop3 and imap access.  Monday, I move a user from her pop3 account to using imap 'cause she wants to fetch her mail from multiple devices.
[15:50] <Urchlay> giant81_: eh, normally, "wget -r http://blah.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2" will work just fine. Which mirror are you trying to use?
[15:50] <Alan_Hicks> She's been complaining ever since that "e-mails are taking too long to be delivered" or "I'm not getting all my e-mail", shit like that.
[15:50] <giant81_> Urchlay, slackware.cs.utah.edu
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[15:50] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: that sucks. I'm using dovecot here, works excellent, and fast.
[15:50] <kenny_duehitt> I'm going to just guess: ide channel 2 master device is /dev/eda ??
[15:50] <Cann0n> someone give me 500 USD
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[15:51] <fire|bird> Cann0n: oh yeah, why not. /me hands Cann0n 5 $100 bills.
[15:51] <Alan_Hicks> So I looked into moving her back to pop3 today just to satisfy her (and because MS Outlook is a fuckin' broken IMAP client), which was epic fail. This shitty end-user spam filtering program she'd loaded dumped half her INBOX into her Junk mail folder.
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[15:52] <Alan_Hicks> So... I switched her back to IMAP (I, being the smart guy that I am, made a backup before swapping her account to pop3).  Everything's working fine in all my tests.
[15:52] <xNiGHt360> hello
[15:52] <giant81_> lol @ fail spam filters
[15:52] <antiwire> Cann0n: I'll give you 500USD and I expect it returned in one month (30 days from the signing date) along with 10 points of interest.
[15:52] <giant81_> we use a third party to filter our spam for us and it works very well
[15:52] <Alan_Hicks> Fifteen minutes later she calls me chewing me out. "See!  Tony just sent me an e-mail fifteen minutes ago and it *STILL* hasn't arrived!"
[15:52] <Urchlay> heh, inside their robots.txt I see this: User-agent: *
[15:52] <Urchlay> Disallow: /pub
[15:52] <Alan_Hicks> Basically, calling my new mail server a piece of shit. So I go over there...
[15:52] <xNiGHt360> in what channel i can ask about wine ?
[15:52] Action: giant81_ should have read there robots.txt
[15:53] <Alan_Hicks> And the damn bitch has been lookin' in the wrong fuckin' INBOX folder the whole damned time!
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[15:53] <antiwire> Alan_Hicks: make a note of this incident for CYA
[15:53] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: OMG, all that work for her (err. stupidity can I say).
[15:53] <Alan_Hicks> I *TOLD* her to "Use the INBOX folder under her@domain.tld"
[15:54] <Alan_Hicks> Correction.  I told her that when I set her up with imap on Monday.
[15:54] <Urchlay> giant81_: add "robots = off" to your ~/.wgetrc
[15:54] <Alan_Hicks> Today, she says to me "Well how am *I* supposed to know that?!"
[15:54] <Alan_Hicks> BITCH!  BECAUSE I FUCKIN' TOLD YOU!
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[15:54] <Urchlay> giant81_: or use another mirror. Apparently the admins of that mirror don't want it to actually be used the standard way a slackware mirror is usually used...
[15:54] <giant81_> lol
[15:55] <giant81_> Urchlay, their ftp mirror works fine so far
[15:55] <xNiGHt360> so where can i ask about wine problems ?
[15:55] <antiwire> xNiGHt360: take a wild guess....
[15:55] <Urchlay> xNiGHt360: possibly #wine ...ya think?
[15:55] <giant81_> xNiGHt360, I'm guessing #wine?
[15:55] <Alan_Hicks> One of the driving reasons behind this change-over was because she wanted stronger spam filtering and imap access, but then later she told me to "take out the spam filtering 'cause people are sending me e-mails and they're getting spam filtered".
[15:55] <xNiGHt360> i can't enter :D
[15:55] <Urchlay> giant81_: well FTP doesn't support the concept of robots.txt, so that's not surprising
[15:55] <antiwire> xNiGHt360: then you wait until the channel is returned from +i
[15:55] <antiwire> xNiGHt360: amazing concept huh?
[15:56] <Urchlay> Alan_Hicks: she wants magic. She think you're a wizard, and you just have to cast the appropriate spell...
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[15:56] <giant81_> am I the only one that has had users tell me 'disable this it's slowing me down' you do nothing, tell them it's done and suddenly it fixes the problem?
[15:57] <adeodatu`> hi everybody
[15:57] <antiwire> giant81_: it's called the placebo effect.
[15:57] <Alan_Hicks> giant81_: BTDT
[15:57] <giant81_> BTDT?
[15:57] <antiwire> wtf is wrong with this channel
[15:57] <Urchlay> BTDTGTTS
[15:57] <Alan_Hicks> giant81_: # wtf is btdt
[15:58] <giant81_> no idea
[15:58] <Kenny_Duehit> What does everyone use as their sound driver?
[15:58] <Alan_Hicks> giant81_: No.  Run the command "wtf is btdt"
[15:58] <giant81_> wtf is btdt
[15:58] <giant81_> lol
[15:58] <antiwire> Alan_Hicks: is the rage level rising?
[15:58] <Alan_Hicks> No.... run it in a fuckin' terminal!
[15:58] <antiwire> because it is for me.
[15:58] <Alan_Hicks> antiwire: The little cartoon thermometer is about to burst.
[15:58] Action: giant81_ facepams
[15:59] <giant81_> *facepalms
[15:59] Action: Urchlay loads up tranquilizer dart gun and prepares to open fire
[15:59] <Urchlay> will save the last shot for myself...
[15:59] <giant81_> fuck tranq's, .223 is quite an acceptable round for close quarters
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[16:00] Action: Alan_Hicks prefers the good old fashion .30-30.
[16:00] <gar0t0> hi ppl :)
[16:00] <Alan_Hicks> Preferably loaded with hornady LeveRevolution rounds.
[16:00] <Alan_Hicks> gar0t0: Howdy!
[16:01] <Urchlay> heh. You haven't seen the Venture Brothers episode where the pirate guy gets addicted to tranq darts?
[16:01] <giant81_> .30-30's not bad, I think the rounded nose hurts it abit balistically but close quarters who cares... as long as it can reach 100ft on a flat trajectory you're fine
[16:01] <Alan_Hicks> giant81_: google horandy leverevolution
[16:01] <Alan_Hicks> giant81_: It'll blow your mind.
[16:01] <gar0t0> Alan_Hicks: :) how are you?
[16:02] <antiwire> did you just use ".30-30" and "close quarters" in the same sentence?
[16:02] <Alan_Hicks> Balistic rounds, full copper jacket, in a tubular magazine.
[16:02] <antiwire> do you have any idea wtf you're talking about?
[16:02] <Alan_Hicks> gar0t0: I am doing good!  how are you?
[16:02] <giant81_> I'm in love with Hornady
[16:02] <Alan_Hicks> antiwire: Yes, I know very well what I'm talking about.
[16:02] <antiwire> not you
[16:02] <giant81_> oh brb
[16:02] <gar0t0> Alan_Hicks: fine tks, I'm configuring my slackware64
[16:03] <antiwire> you didn't use ".30-30" and "close quarters" in the same sentence
[16:03] <giant81_> 4x IBM servers just showed up
[16:03] <giant81_> xmas for me
[16:03] <Alan_Hicks> gar0t0: Cool.
[16:03] <giant81_> 12GA and close quarters go hand in hand
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[16:03] <antiwire> yeah .30-30 sure doesn't....
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[16:03] <gar0t0> Alan_Hicks: great work!! :)
[16:03] <Alan_Hicks> giant81_: They make those same rounds in .45 Long Colt, .44-40, even .44 Magnum.
[16:04] <Nigromante> hello
[16:04] <antiwire> giant81_: let me guess... /k/
[16:04] <Nigromante> one thing, slackware.com is not down
[16:04] <antiwire> Nigromante: hey thanks for that breaking news
[16:04] <thrice`> is that a question? :)
[16:04] <Necos> he's right >.>
[16:05] <Necos> i forgot it was even down... lol
[16:05] <Nigromante> you can update topic...
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[16:06] <Urchlay> heh, so I was a day late paying my rent
[16:06] <eviljames> Eviction!
[16:07] <thumbs> nice, the web site is back up.
[16:07] <Urchlay> the day after it was due, first thing in the morning, the landlady said "Hey, look at this!"
[16:07] Action: fire|bird Urchlay has been kicked from #apartment (overdue rent)
[16:07] <kenny_duehitt> lol
[16:07] <Urchlay> it was a police target (the man-shaped kind), she'd managed to hit it in the head 5 times and there was a nice grouping around the heart
[16:08] <Urchlay> eh, so I said "I can take a hint!" and paid up
[16:08] <kenny_duehitt> ummmm, good call?
[16:08] <Urchlay> she sits there scratching her head for a minute, then busts out laughing
[16:08] <Urchlay> (she had forgot the rent was past due, too, she just wanted to show off what she did with her new gun...)
[16:09] <kenny_duehitt> then bursts out cacking **fixed
[16:09] <kenny_duehitt> *cackling
[16:09] <Urchlay> eh, she's an old lady, but not quite to the "cackling crone" stage
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[16:11] <agentc0re|work> giant81_: ... .223 is good for close quarters?  are you kidding me?
[16:12] <eviljames> wtf
[16:12] Action: giant81_ is a Marine, and M4 is a descent weapon
[16:12] <eviljames> Wouldn't that be a little bit more of a ranged weapon?
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[16:12] <Urchlay> http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm <--- this is what she just got
[16:12] <agentc0re|work> giant81_: I am a Marine myself there devildog...
[16:12] <Kenny_Duehit> when looking to enable/setup sound, where is a good place to start?   I've run alsaconf but no sound yet
[16:13] <Urchlay> Kenny_Duehit: run alsamixer, make sure the channels aren't muted, and are turned up
[16:13] <agentc0re|work> giant81_: MOS?
[16:13] <SpacePlod> .223 is a *fine* CQB round.
[16:13] <agentc0re|work> ...
[16:13] <eviljames> I can't even buy an M4 legally :(
[16:13] <agentc0re|work> SpacePlod: Do you speak from experience?
[16:13] <giant81_> you can get range on an M4 but it's not a huge ranged weapon, small, light, easy to through around corners is what you want for CQB
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[16:14] <Pig_Pen> just get a 12 guage and saw the barrel off at the end of the magazine
[16:14] Action: SpacePlod is a former 0351 0321 and 8541
[16:14] <giant81_> 0231
[16:14] Action: giant81_ is pog
[16:14] Action: jeev has a bunch of pogs and slammers
[16:14] <eviljames> jeev: I was just gonna go there.. good call.
[16:14] Action: Kenny_Duehit lols.  It was set to my headset
[16:15] <Kenny_Duehit> how do i change this?
[16:15] <SpacePlod> agentc0re|work: yes, I think I speak from experience, yes.
[16:15] <fire|bird> jeev: haha, I used to have a ton of those too. I can't remember what I did with em. :P
[16:15] <jeev> heh
[16:16] <Urchlay> Kenny_Duehit: possibly from within alsaconf? I'm actually not sure (the brief time I used a USB headset, it showed up as the 2nd audio device, wasn't used by default)
[16:16] <Urchlay> Kenny_Duehit: one way would be to unplug the headset :)
[16:16] <fire|bird> jeev: I had a metal slammer with a skull on it, and easily 100 if not more pogs, now I don't know where the heck they are. I don't think I got rid of them, but I can't remember.
[16:16] <Pig_Pen> also use the "m" key to unmute with alsamixer mm = mute, 00 = unmute
[16:16] Action: Kenny_Duehit facepalms
[16:16] <Kenny_Duehit> will try
[16:17] <Urchlay> that headset I had was weird, it also showed up as a keyboard (had volume up/down buttons, which were the only 2 "keys" on the keyboard it appeared as)
[16:18] <Kenny_Duehit> nice, my headset has volume up and down on it to (wireless) and some other button that has a picture of a phone on it, but I've never gotton it to work or have a clue what it does...
[16:19] <agentc0re|work> SpacePlod: Appears so.  I would never say that from my experience(0311) after dealing with some serious shit in iRACK(pun indented)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaim (april 2004 citation you can find more on the 3/7 link) that those 5.56 rounds just don't do shit.
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[16:22] <SpacePlod> agentc0re|work: experiences differ.  If you're using the 55gr. round, then your terminals will suck.  Stick with the 75's and you'll do fine.
[16:22] <SpacePlod> agentc0re|work: it's not the 5.56 that sucks, it's the 5.56 55gr. that sucks.
[16:22] <agentc0re|work> I have no idea what they gave us tbh.  probably 55gr 5.56
[16:23] <giant81_> teh best round in CQB has to be 12ga, but the 5.56 is better than the 7.62 because of weight
[16:23] <SpacePlod> I have an agency issued AR in my trunk loaded with 63 grain sierras and I'm quite happy with it.
[16:23] <agentc0re|work> i'd rather have a 7.62.  If i could have chosen my weapon i'd have a m468.
[16:24] <Nigromante> are you talking about weapons?
[16:24] <rworkman> Heh. "My Glock is just to keep me alive and provide distraction while I get to my shotgun."
[16:24] <agentc0re|work> 7.62 rounds are great.  They will go through the front of a car and out the back.  :D
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[16:24] <agentc0re|work> rworkman: Good plan! :D
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[16:26] <giant81_> I guess in a pure "can just shoot through the wall" senario the 7.62 is quite superior
[16:26] <rworkman> "Why do you wear your gun in your own house?  Are you expecting a gunfight?"    "No, if I were expecting one, I'd be carrying my shotgun and AR15.  This is just in case one shows up unexpectedly."
[16:26] <agentc0re|work> the racking of a shotgun will usually scare the poop out of anyone dumb enough to break into your house.
[16:26] <giant81_> ag3ntugly or tell them where you are so they can fire in that direction
[16:26] <giant81_> I'm of the mind that by the time I decide I need to use the shotgun, you won't know I have it and won't see it comming
[16:26] <rworkman> If you have to rack it before you can shoot it, YDIW.
[16:27] <giant81_> rworkman, not if you hvae kids
[16:27] <SpacePlod> giant81_: if you rely on an unchambered weapon to keep you kids safe:  FAIL
[16:27] <rworkman> giant81_: yes, even if I have kids.  By the time my daughter is old enough to get to where it's kept, she'll know better.
[16:28] <giant81_> I can see both points
[16:28] <Urchlay> hm.
[16:28] <agentc0re|work> rworkman: Oh i'd keep a shootgun loaded, but if you have time to rack it because the dude is froozen... more power to ya.  I'd rather scare them then have to shoot them.  Once the fear has been instilled, you can make them do whatever.  Lay down, sit on their hands... etc. etc.
[16:28] <rworkman> All of my accessible guns are kept either on someone's person or out of her reach, and again, by the time they're in her reach, she'll have her own small-calibre weapon and will know that it's not a toy.
[16:29] <Urchlay> racking a shotgun is probably all that's needed in most cases (very distinctive sound, 99% of intruders would run away)
[16:29] <rworkman> agentc0re|work: sure.  I'd rather not shoot anyone either, but I want to have the option immediately should I not be given a choice.
[16:29] <giant81_> we sleep on the second floor, this should allow me time to get it, gather the kids, and rack it... if I needed to use it in less time, then that, it's all over before it started anyway
[16:29] <Urchlay> at least when you're dealing with e.g. the annoying kids who you caught TPing your lawn, you probably don't want to actually fire at them
[16:29] <rworkman> yeah
[16:29] <agentc0re|work> my friend had someone break into their house.  All it took was her cocking back the hammer of his .38 spec. and the dude took off.
[16:29] <rworkman> hehe
[16:29] <giant81_> hehe
[16:30] <rworkman> My wife's is hammerless.  "SURPRISE!"
[16:30] <giant81_> tbh, I'd not wwant to shoot, but if I do, I'm going to shoot to kill
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[16:30] <giant81_> less paperwork and less legal issues
[16:30] <rworkman> With +P+ rounds. :D
[16:30] <agentc0re|work> rworkman: Yes.  but racking it shows that you are serious imo.  I'd still keep it loaded.  not like i'd need that one round i just popped out, ya know?
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[16:30] <Urchlay> if you shoot a middle school kid, you're screwed (even if he's trespassing)
[16:30] <giant81_> I want those experimental exploding rounds they were working on for the 12ga
[16:31] <giant81_> why shoot them when you can gib them
[16:31] <rworkman> giant81_: ooh, no, not for home defense.  You'll be indicted for sure if you pop someone with one of those.
[16:31] <giant81_> there is a term in the military call MAM... Military Aged Male = anyone old enough to point a gun and use it
[16:31] <giant81_> hehe, no for fun
[16:31] <Necos> that's 12 in some states >.>
[16:31] <giant81_> go down into the quary to shoot at cans or soemthing
[16:32] <antiwire> Urchlay: as per the DOJ, you cannot shoot someone for simply trespassing.
[16:32] <rworkman> You shoot to *stop* a threat, not to *kill* - if the person dies, tough shit, but never should you be on record stating that you shoot to kill.
[16:32] <giant81_> if you are old enough to point a gun and use it, your old enough to be shot in self defense
[16:32] <Urchlay> antiwire: right, my point.
[16:32] <rworkman> s/and use it//
[16:32] <antiwire> rworkman: in California it's different. The laws make it quite clear that if you need to shoot at all you shoot to kill.
[16:32] <giant81_> oh no...I'd never fire unless in self defense, but if I had to fire in self defense, I'm goign to make it count
[16:32] <Urchlay> antiwire: I have been shot at for trespassing, but I dunno if the guy was actually trying to hit me (might have been shooting into the air to scare the hell out of me)
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[16:32] <antiwire> rworkman: We aren't even allowed to own non-lethal ammo here
[16:33] <rworkman> antiwire: wow.  I like that. :D
[16:33] <rworkman> I mean... "that's messed up."
[16:33] <rworkman> ;-)
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[16:33] <rworkman> Sounds like someone from Texas wrote those laws.
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[16:34] <antiwire> if you end up in court after shooting someone and you only shot them in the knee, you get to answer why you felt lethal force was needed and why you only shot them in the leg instead
[16:34] <Necos> antiwire: that's why i love cali lol
[16:34] <antiwire> lol
[16:34] <rworkman> "it was an accident"
[16:34] <Necos> i shot him accidentally on purpose :)
[16:35] Action: jeev hopes for the opportunity to take out Necos AND antiwire at the same time!
[16:35] <antiwire> jeev: you wish buddy
[16:35] <antiwire> I only go out with pretty women
[16:35] <Necos> i'm black, you should be asking me how many guns i own >.>
[16:35] <rworkman> LEO's often shoot multiple rounds with only a 25% or even worse impact ratio.  They're regularly trained.
[16:35] <Nigromante> Necos, i see you pink :-P
[16:36] <rworkman> For the courts to expect that or better of Joe Citizen is absurd.
[16:36] <jeev> Necos, i own more guns than you
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[16:36] <antiwire> rworkman: Yep, California is like that
[16:36] <Urchlay> 25% would be a batting average of .250, which is halfway decent even in the major leagues :)
[16:36] <Pig_Pen> if you only like pretty women then dont get married because they dont stay pretty forever
[16:36] <SpacePlod> "there's always more air than meat"
[16:36] <rworkman> Pig_Pen: but the supply replenishes itself.
[16:36] <rworkman> SpacePlod: indeed :)
[16:37] <Urchlay> heh. "I keep on gettin' older, but they stay the same age"
[16:38] <giant81_> SpacePlod, yes but my 00 buckshot has more pellets
[16:38] <Pig_Pen> thats my favorite ammo
[16:38] <SpacePlod> giant81_: no doubt.  I luv my 870
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[16:40] Action: giant81_ has an 870
[16:40] <Nigromante> just a question: can I buy US weapons in Amazon?
[16:41] <gtl> hi all
[16:41] <Nigromante> hi
[16:41] <fire|bird> Hey gtl
[16:41] <spook> WHO YOU GONNA CALL?
[16:41] <fire|bird> GHOST BUSTERS. :)
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[16:42] <spook> Robby completed the quiz "How well do you remember the 80's?" with the result Totally 80's..
[16:42] <spook> rworkman: good work :)
[16:42] <antiwire> Nigromante: you looking for an arms dealer huh?
[16:42] <antiwire> that's serious business.
[16:42] <Nigromante> just curious
[16:43] <spook> do you stock bear arms?
[16:43] <Nigromante> bear?
[16:43] <spook> because every american has the right to bear arms
[16:43] <Necos> and shoot bears
[16:43] <Necos> let's not forget that :)
[16:43] <spook> Necos: only for the purpose of getting bear arms
[16:44] <Nigromante> ...
[16:44] <Necos> ^_^v
[16:44] <spook> yes americans, i am mocking your... 4th? ammendment right
[16:44] <Pig_Pen> 2nd
[16:44] <Nigromante> i prefer 5th
[16:44] <spook> 2nd then
[16:45] <spook> Nigromante: 5th allows you to refuse breath testing
[16:45] <agentc0re|work> antiwire vs jeev?  My money is on antiwire.
[16:45] <Nigromante> that is
[16:46] <agentc0re|work> Shit, jeev vs Necos and i'd put money on Necos while he's high, with the munchies just after someone's given him the noids! :P
[16:46] <spook> jeev vs Necos, i'm betting on the referee
[16:46] <fire|bird> agentc0re|work: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=antiwire&word2=jeev ;)
[16:47] <Necos> lol
[16:47] <fire|bird> Necos: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Necos&word2=jeev
[16:47] <jeev> https://www.dslextreme.com/Services/Internet/Fiber/Default.aspx
[16:47] <jeev> wowwwwwwwww
[16:47] <Necos> spook, i'll just scream at you in japanese :p
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[16:47] <jeev> they almost doubled the pricing
[16:47] <fire|bird> by google results, jeev's wins both. :)
[16:47] <spook> lol.
[16:48] <Necos> hahahahahahaha
[16:48] <spook> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=referee&word2=jeev
[16:48] <jeev> jeev > * > freebsd/slackware > windows ME > fedora
[16:48] <spook> referee wins
[16:48] <Nigromante> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=antiwire&word2=Nigromante
[16:48] <Necos> lol
[16:48] <spook> i dare anyone to beat me.
[16:48] <Necos> that's awesome, i learned something new today
[16:49] <agentc0re|work> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=antiwire&word2=jeev_ because he hardly fixes that damn _ so he doesn't deserve the credit of the results from ask "jeev's"
[16:49] <spook> i win almost all googlefights
[16:49] <agentc0re|work> Necos: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=necos&word2=jeev_  good jerb! :D
[16:51] Action: Nigromante looks at his atomic clock
[16:51] <fire|bird> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=fire|bird&word2=jeev_
[16:52] <Kenny_Duehit> question: when I download flash .tar.gz in firefox, it never starts the download, and when in Konqueror it only get to 30% then stalls...  what the hell is going on?  I download things all the time....
[16:52] <agentc0re|work> pwnage!
[16:52] <agentc0re|work> where are you saving the file Kenny_Duehit?
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[16:52] <eviljames> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=spook&word2=referee
[16:52] <eviljames> spook: you lose to the referee.
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[16:53] <Kenny_Duehit> /home/kenny/downloads
[16:54] <Pig_Pen> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10_for_Linux_(.tar.gz)   works here
[16:54] <agentc0re|work> Kenny_Duehit do you have permission to save files there?  i would check to be on the safe side.
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[16:55] <Nigromante> try saving to /tmp
[16:55] <Kenny_Duehit> yes I do have permission.  it is my users home folder
[16:55] <Kenny_Duehit> will try /tmp
[16:55] <Nigromante> enough space?
[16:55] <agentc0re|work> downloads is NOT your users home folder.
[16:55] <agentc0re|work> it's in your home folder.
[16:55] <agentc0re|work> and it's something that you could have created as root.
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[16:56] <dive> Kenny_Duehit, sometimes if you are in a terminal as root in a folder and try download with firefox the ownership gets changed to root and ff refuses to save with no error)
[16:56] <jeev> oh canada
[16:57] <Kenny_Duehit> I made a folder in /home/kenny called downloads /home/kenny/downloads as the user kenny
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[16:58] <Kenny_Duehit> nope, even in /tmp it stalls at 30%
[16:58] <Kenny_Duehit> where do I check disk space avaiable?
[16:58] <Nigromante> df
[16:58] <dive> df -h
[16:58] <Pig_Pen> df -h
[16:59] <Kenny_Duehit> 7.8 gig left
[16:59] <Nigromante> mmmm
[16:59] <Kenny_Duehit> :(
[16:59] <dive> try wget
[16:59] <Pig_Pen> clear your browser cache & history and try again
[16:59] <Nigromante> or IExplorer ;-)
[16:59] Action: dive shoots Nigromante 
[17:00] <dive> sorry
[17:00] <dive> instant reaction
[17:00] <Nigromante> np
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[17:03] <Kenny_Duehit> cleared cache, still do solution
[17:03] <Kenny_Duehit> do=no
[17:03] <DeeeeP> rm *xxx*
[17:03] <agentc0re|work> what about downloading other things from other sites?
[17:03] <Kenny_Duehit> what?
[17:03] <Kenny_Duehit> will test
[17:03] <agentc0re|work> something about the same size.
[17:04] <Nigromante> close and start again
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[17:05] <Kenny_Duehit> well other things download fine.  flash is 9 mb and I just downloaded Java 19mb
[17:05] <Kenny_Duehit> is there a flash mirror? lol
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[17:06] <Nigromante> tell your browser to not download cached files
[17:06] <agentc0re|work> probably, google it. :P
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[17:11] <antiwire> Those of you in a position that might require you to review resumes; Do you think it is acceptable or a bad idea to list some of the open source tools one is acquainted with in the area of security assessment?
[17:12] <antiwire> thinks like Kismet, nmap, Nessus, wireshark, aircrack-ng suite, ettercap
[17:12] <Nigromante> depends on the post you are applying for
[17:12] <antiwire> I'm tailoring my resume to a specific job opportunity that is a penetration testing company
[17:12] <Alan_Hicks> Thank God straterra ain't here right now...
[17:13] <XGizzmo> nice
[17:13] <Alan_Hicks> noobfarm me. :-)
[17:13] <antiwire> Alan_Hicks: Why, would he flame me?
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[17:13] <Alan_Hicks> That "penetration testing company" comment is right up his alley.
[17:13] <antiwire> lmao
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[17:14] <lamenick> hi (again), I have an Acer Aspire One (1G of memory) and I run slackware-current with KDE 4.2.4
[17:14] <Nigromante> company's logo is not a rabbit head, is it?
[17:14] <lamenick> I plan to install Windows XP within a VM
[17:15] <lamenick> and run a couple of applications
[17:15] <antiwire> Nigromante: nope, but do you know of a bad one I should watch out for?
[17:15] <lamenick> am I going to run out of RAM?
[17:15] <Nigromante> not at all
[17:15] <Nigromante> antiwire ^^
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[17:15] <antiwire> lamenick: honestly, I think you're doing to have performance issues all around
[17:15] <campassi> lamenick, yes, you are
[17:15] <campassi> it's going to catch fire
[17:15] <antiwire> doing/going
[17:15] <sp> Kenny_Duehit: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-hardware@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu/msg00486.html
[17:15] <lamenick> crap
[17:16] <sp> about your CRT monitor
[17:16] <sp>     The Monitor is Hitachi SuperScan 812 21" (20" viewable)
[17:16] <sp>     (There is no model # on the front of the monitor, the model ID
[17:16] <sp>      is on the back and is "CM812U")
[17:16] Channel flood from sp -- kicking
[17:16] <sp>     Hitachi 812 tech info from
[17:16] <sp>               http://www.hitachidisplays.com/products/21_813.htm is:
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[17:16] <Nigromante> ...
[17:16] <lamenick> will dropping KDE in favor of something less gluttonous (evilwm?) help?
[17:16] <campassi> nope
[17:16] <campassi> still going to catch fire
[17:16] <campassi> possibly explode
[17:17] <antiwire> lol
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[17:17] <antiwire> sparks, smoke, flames, gnashing of teeth, ripping of flesh
[17:17] <Nigromante> you may try a dual boot
[17:17] <antiwire> you know, the usual
[17:17] <campassi> zombies will be born
[17:17] <lamenick> the problem with dual booting is that I already distributed every free space
[17:18] <Nigromante> use gparted live cd
[17:18] <lamenick> thanks, I'll look into it
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[17:19] <Kenny_Duehit> huh, does it makes sense the Adobe didn't like/ blocked my IP?   because I just proxied in and got the file no problem...
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[17:21] <Nigromante> it may happen that you had many connections open against it
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[17:22] <Pig_Pen> lamenick: try this, build & install icewm, and use rox filer to draw the desktop icons & wallpaper, run rox as: rox --pinboard=PIN
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[17:23] <lamenick> hey Pig_Pen
[17:23] <Pig_Pen> hi
[17:24] <lamenick> thanks for your advice yesterday (booting Slax livecd and writing that usbboot.img to usb with dd)
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[17:24] <lamenick> worked like a charm
[17:25] <lamenick> brb
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[17:25] <Pig_Pen> cool
[17:26] <kenny_duehitt> test
[17:26] <Pig_Pen> echo test
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[17:29] <gar0t0> anyone get problems after install firefox plugin flash dont work more?
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[17:30] <antiwire> no
[17:30] <antiwire> check the symlinks
[17:30] <Kenny_Duehit> I'm about to do flash just after I figure out how to update the KDE menu to launch the new pidgin i compiled
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[17:30] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: did you use a slackbuild script?
[17:30] <gar0t0> antiwire: seamonkey its works
[17:30] <antiwire> you know pidgin comes with Slackware right?
[17:30] <Kenny_Duehit> i used ./configure
[17:30] <antiwire> gar0t0: yes...and did you check the symlinks for *firefox*
[17:30] <Kenny_Duehit> yes, but my solack had 2.5.2 and I went to 2.5.8
[17:30] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: ...
[17:31] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: you probably borked something
[17:31] <Kenny_Duehit> but when I launch it from the menu it loads up 2.5.2 still.   but when I launch from konsole it loads 2.5.8
[17:31] <antiwire> like i said..you messed it all up
[17:31] <antiwire> you didn't use the correct prefixes and other configure options...
[17:32] <Kenny_Duehit> i did. make then make install then make clean then make distclean
[17:32] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: pidgin is included in the stock package set which means there is a build script that only requires you to modify the source version and download the source package.
[17:32] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: no, you didn't
[17:32] <antiwire> you clearly didn't use the correct prefixes...
[17:32] <Kenny_Duehit> should I try again?
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[17:33] <Pig_Pen> i bet you still have the stock pidgin installed, and when you built it the Makefile install sent it to /usr/local
[17:33] <antiwire> I just told you what to do but now that you just randomly installed pidgin with make install you have a ncie mess
[17:33] <antiwire> does pidgin's Makefile support make uninstall?
[17:33] <gar0t0> antiwire: its ok!! I reinstall the plugin but dont work
[17:33] <gar0t0> I see it better
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[17:34] <Pig_Pen> just removepkg pidgin and the old stock package will be uninstalled, i bet a dollar the one you built is in /usr/local
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[17:34] <antiwire> I would remove them both and use the damn slackbuild...
[17:35] <Pig_Pen> that would be the way to do it
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[17:39] <gar0t0> after remove .mozilla flash is work
[17:39] <gar0t0> sux
[17:39] <gar0t0> :~
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[17:40] <dustybin> i am on the slack installer screen
[17:40] <dustybin> how can i find out exactly what packages the code letters have?
[17:40] <dustybin> maybe i need to move on >>
[17:41] <kenny_duehitt> after you choose the letters you are givin an option to install everything or go on a package by package basis
[17:42] Action: kenny_duehitt thinks
[17:42] <dustybin> ace
[17:42] <antiwire> Unless there is a good reason not to, you should do a full install.
[17:42] <dustybin> ill install everything apart from gnome + kde
[17:42] <antiwire> Then do that
[17:42] <dustybin> ok frank
[17:43] <antiwire> My name is not frank
[17:43] <kenny_duehitt> :D
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[17:44] <kenny_duehitt> so I did removepkg pidgin and Make is running now
[17:44] <kenny_duehitt> then come make install then make clean then make distclean then I can startx again and my menu's should be updated?
[17:45] <antiwire> wtf
[17:45] <antiwire> why are you still doing it this way?
[17:45] <kenny_duehitt> i don't know :(
[17:45] <kenny_duehitt> it's the only way i know how
[17:45] <antiwire> I told you exactly how to do this properly
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[17:46] <gar0t0> :~ remove .mozilla flash works, after install plugin puffff flash player dont work :~
[17:46] <antiwire> Download this entire directory http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/xap/pidgin/
[17:46] <antiwire> then download the latest pidgin sources
[17:46] <Pig_Pen> when i leared how to build my own packages slackbuilds.org was just a a gleam in some slacker
[17:46] <antiwire> put them inside that pidgin directory
[17:47] <antiwire> then open up "pidgin.SlackBuild" in a text editor and make the line that looks like this VERSION=${VERSION:-2.5.2} look like this instead: VERSION=${VERSION:-2.5.8}
[17:47] <antiwire> then save your changes
[17:48] <eviljames> or, VERSION=2.5.8 ./pidgin.SlackBuild
[17:48] <antiwire> btw, if you are running 12.2 and pidgin 2.5.2 is installed...you didn't install any patches.
[17:49] <antiwire> pidgin 2.5.6 is in patches/ for 12.2
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[17:49] <antiwire> so you will need to build 2.5.8 anyway but you also should upgrade to the patches/ as well
[17:50] <kenny_duehitt> wow, I almost wanna say f*ck it, I'll stay with 2.5.2 then....but I GOTTA master this!
[17:50] <antiwire> good lord.
[17:50] <antiwire> you should just completely quit right now
[17:50] <antiwire> just stop
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[17:50] <Pig_Pen> if he is going to build 2.5.8 why bother installing 2.5.6 in /patches?
[17:51] <Necos> it's a waste
[17:51] <antiwire> Pig_Pen: why don't you re-read what i typed
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[17:51] <antiwire> (2009-07-09 14:50:01) antiwire: so you will need to build 2.5.8 anyway but you also should upgrade to the patches/ as well
[17:51] <kenny_duehitt> screw that, Quitters never win
[17:51] <antiwire> pidgin isn't the only update in patches/
[17:51] <antiwire> he should upgrade to all of the patches
[17:51] <Pig_Pen> no, it would be stupid to go through the touble of building 2.5.8 and also install 2.5.6
[17:51] <antiwire> ...
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[17:52] <antiwire> Did i ever say to install 2.5.6 though? No. I clearly said he would still need to build 2.5.8
[17:52] <Pig_Pen> k, i see, he needs to use slackpkg to update all installed packages that need patched
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[17:53] <antiwire> The point is that there are more patches to apply, besides pidgin, in the first place and the fact that he still has 2.5.2 just shows that he has not applied any patches at all.
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[17:55] <odla> is slackware 64bit as good to go as 32bit?
[17:55] <antiwire> kenny_duehitt: For future reference, you should modify the stock build scripts if you wish to install newer versions of officially packaged software. Doing it that why will allow you to use the pkgtools to upgrade the packages and prevent the same situation that you have found yourself in from happening again.
[17:55] <antiwire> odla: twice as good.
[17:55] <odla> antiwire: doubly awesome
[17:56] <kenny_duehitt> i see
[17:56] <odla> also the slackware current isos at slackware.no do they have the typical slackware installer?
[17:56] <antiwire> odla: yes
[17:57] <odla> sounds good
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[17:57] <odla> it's been a while since i've used slackware so i'm pretty excited to try it again
[17:58] <Urchlay> for those of us not paying a lot of attention... is -current "frozen" now? I see nothing new in the changelog since July 1
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[17:58] <fire|bird> iirc, the changelog says it's froze, unless something fixes bugs.
[17:58] <Kenny_Duehit> 2.5.8    win
[18:00] <Urchlay> hm, so assuming nobody finds any bugs in the next little while, 13.0rc1 might end up being actual 13.0
[18:00] <fire|bird> Urchlay: so we're going to call this release candidate #1 and
[18:00] <fire|bird> (mostly) freeze further updates unless they happen to fix problems.
[18:00] <Urchlay> I mean nothing major will change, like the kernel or xorg server won't get version bumps
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[18:03] <Necos> i'm waiting for the 13.0 release, so i can format my box and start over
[18:03] <antiwire> same here
[18:03] <antiwire> It's time
[18:04] <Necos> i've had this box running 12.1 for the longest, so...
[18:04] <Necos> just backup ~/ and /root and i'm good
[18:04] <antiwire> my system has been running -current since 12.0
[18:04] <Necos> yeah, but -current always feels like a kludge
[18:04] <Pig_Pen> theres no way i am going to wipe what i have for 13, i will stick it in an extra disk partition and see what all it has and what i can do with it
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[18:05] <Urchlay> heh, originally I did my slamd64 10.2 install onto a raid-1 with 5 stripes. When 12.1 came out, I kicked a stripe out of the array and installed on that. When slackware 64-current was announced, I kicked another stripe out and installed on that :)
[18:06] <antiwire> It feels fine to me but I have done so much do it over that time frame that it's about time I clean wipe
[18:06] <Urchlay> probly when 13.0 is released I'll install it on the 3-stripe array and leave the 12.1 and old -current alone
[18:06] <Necos> nice Urchlay
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[18:09] <Urchlay> the only time I've done a slackware version upgrade was on my laptop (from 12.1 to 12.2), probly will upgrade that to 13.0 in-place
[18:09] <Necos> i have too many extra packages to upgrade in-place (at least for my liking)
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[18:10] <Urchlay> yeah, that might cause a problem on the laptop. I suppose I can use whatever the slackpkg option is that removes all 3rd-party packages
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[18:11] <Necos> slackpkg clean-install or something like that
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[18:14] <Urchlay> my favorite silly option like that is netbsd pkgsrc's method for cleaning up a build + all the dependencies...
[18:14] <Urchlay> make clean-depends
[18:14] <Urchlay> (sounds like something you do for grandma, not your computer...)
[18:14] <Kenny_Duehit> :D
[18:16] <Cann0n> im back. had a long talk with my girlfriend...
[18:16] <Cann0n> girls = not as evil
[18:16] <Urchlay> dammit, antiwire left. I was gonna tell him, I can actually see his little / symbol now (yin-yang)
[18:16] <fire|bird> wb Cann0n
[18:17] <Cann0n> lol yay for utf support!
[18:17] <fire|bird> Urchlay: haha, you got utf enabled now. :)
[18:18] <fire|bird> /
[18:18] <fire|bird> :)
[18:18] <lamenick> I installed a couple of software series that I'd like to remove, but when I choose the remove option given by pkgtool, I end up with a list of every single installed package
[18:18] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix
[18:18] <lamenick> is it possible to order them by series?
[18:18] <Urchlay> yeah, I had everything the way it should be except that LANG hadn't been set correctly when irssi started up (and I wasn't willing to exit/restart irssi right then when we were talking about it)
[18:19] <powtrix> fire|bird, heh
[18:19] <Cann0n> hey fire|bird! hows dvorak?
[18:19] <powtrix> first time i see that on irc ;P
[18:19] <fire|bird> Cann0n: EXCELLENT.
[18:19] <Cann0n> so you like it better huh?
[18:20] <Cann0n> /
[18:20] <powtrix> yes
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[18:20] <fire|bird> Cann0n: yeah, I do.
[18:21] <fire|bird> Cann0n: it's much less finger travel
[18:21] <Cann0n> lol. first thing i did to a fresh install was make sure my fonts are up to my standards...
[18:21] <Cann0n> fire|bird: thats the hardest thing to get used to. :)
[18:22] <fire|bird> Cann0n: I'm getting a bit faster at it too.
[18:22] <Zosma> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1509
[18:22] <Zosma> For all you UTF-8-happy people.
[18:22] <Urchlay> nice
[18:22] <Zosma> Oddly enough it doesn't display it in a fixed-width font for me there, but ah well.
[18:23] <Urchlay> now what was the other thing somebody was trying to paste in here that wasn't displaying right for me?
[18:23] <Zosma> Dunno but I have another test for you.
[18:23] <Zosma> íe ìa éèñ ëFø1Dg]c .. €0p�1¹‚2²ƒ3³„4t…5u†6v‡7wˆ8x‰9y .. �‚ƒ„…†‡‰
[18:23] <fire|bird> whoa
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[18:24] <Cann0n> Zosma: nice...
[18:24] <Urchlay> that might or might not be displayed right
[18:24] <Zosma> I'll post a screeny how it should be.. :-)
[18:25] <fire|bird> Cann0n: this does take some getting used to, but I really like it.
[18:25] <Urchlay> http://imagebin.org/55329
[18:25] <eviljames> That definitely does NOT work for me.
[18:25] <Zosma> http://goudrenet.student.utwente.nl/files/irssi.png
[18:25] <Urchlay> look about 7/8 of the way down towards the bottom
[18:25] <Urchlay> Zosma: OK, yours looks like mine
[18:25] <Zosma> Ah yes indeed.
[18:25] <Zosma> You were faster :-P
[18:26] <Zosma> Urchlay: what font is that? I like it.
[18:26] <fire|bird> Zosma: thats exactly how it looks here
[18:26] <Urchlay> uvga I think it's called... unicode version of the vga font from dosbox (based on the ROM font from the IBM AT, but I dunno how loosely based on it)
[18:27] <Zosma> Good good.
[18:27] <Zosma> Ah okay thanks.
[18:27] <Zosma> Are you using some tiled WM or is that a bad assumption.
[18:27] <Urchlay> I believe this might be where it came from: http://www.inp.nsk.su/~bolkhov/files/fonts/univga/uni-vga.tgz
[18:27] <fire|bird> I am using and prefer the terminus font
[18:28] <Urchlay> nah, using windowmaker, with multiple desktops
[18:28] <dustybin> eviljames: why are you evil?
[18:28] <fire|bird> dustybin: because he's not good? :)
[18:28] <dustybin> i see
[18:28] <Urchlay> fire|bird: nah, that could mean he's neutral
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[18:29] <fire|bird> true
[18:29] <eviljames> "What makes a man go neutral?  Lust for gold?  Power?  Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?" -- Zapp Brannigan
[18:30] <Urchlay> the trouble with someone calling himself evil is that evil people always lie (so if he says "I am evil", he's really lying, meaning he's good... but if he's good, he won't lie & say he's evil, therefore he must be evil... *bzzzzt*)
[18:30] <dtanner> dustybin: he is an 3l33t h4x0r who will invade your root $SHELL and do nasty things.
[18:30] <Urchlay> eviljames: thanks for that, I was trying to remember that quote :)
[18:31] <dustybin> dtanner: right i see
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[18:31] <eviljames> To finish novacrust's quit message: "Too weird to live, but much too rare to die."
[18:31] <dtanner> kind of a detailed quit message ya think?
[18:31] <eviljames> Which is precisely what makes me evil.
[18:31] <dtanner> ah =)
[18:31] <eviljames> dtanner: Anyone quoting Hunter S. Thompson gets a <3 from me.
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[18:32] <Urchlay> anyone quoting Futurama is probably OK, too
[18:33] <eviljames> That one is more doubtful.
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[18:33] <Urchlay> hence the "probably"
[18:33] <eviljames> "If we hit this bulls-eye, these dominos will fall like a house of cards.  Checkmate!"
[18:34] <dustybin> ssh root@eviljames rm -rf /
[18:34] <dustybin> eek wrong window
[18:34] <Urchlay> heh, that's probably the perfect Zap quote
[18:34] <Urchlay> su -
[18:34] <Urchlay> hunter2
[18:34] <Urchlay> oh crap
[18:34] <eviljames> Urchlay: There's a better one, in the same episode.
[18:34] <eviljames> wtf
[18:34] <eviljames> that only showed up as ******* for me!
[18:34] <Cann0n> i took alot of care with my fonts
[18:34] <dtanner> yeah, me too.
[18:34] <Urchlay> wait, that came out as ******* on every else's terminals, right??
[18:35] <Cann0n> *******?
[18:35] <Kenny_Duehit> Good news everyone. I've invented a machine that makes you read this in the Professors voice.
[18:35] <Cann0n> i see it...
[18:35] <Urchlay> Cann0n: stop typing my password!
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[18:36] <Cann0n> Urchlay: what funny was bakn in the day, 8 *'s was my password for a few things
[18:36] <eviljames> Urchlay: "The key to victory is discipline, and that means a well-made bed.  You will practice until you can make your bed in your sleep" Fry: "You mean, while I'm sleeping in it?"
[18:36] <eviljames> Urchlay: "You won't have time for sleeping soldier, not with all the bed making you'll be doing."
[18:36] <Urchlay> ++eviljames;
[18:37] <Cann0n> lol
[18:37] <eviljames> gf occasionally busts that last line out on me, and I always laugh.
[18:37] <Urchlay> Cann0n: I remember using crappy BBSes that only allowed 4-letter passwords (IIRC they actually had to be letters too, or maybe alphanumeric, but not case-sensitive)
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[18:37] <dtanner> Cann0n: i don't take too much time with fonts due to the fact that back in the day.. X fonts were a bitch sometimes.
[18:38] <Urchlay> pretty much the only fontery I engage in is to install the uvga (used to be plain vga) font and make xterm use it
[18:38] <dtanner> Urchlay: ah the BBS days
[18:39] <eviljames> Canada got the internet in 1994, but up until about 1999 the vast majority of time I spent on the net was via BBS.. it was glorious.
[18:39] <dustybin> Amiga BBS days FTW
[18:39] <Urchlay> and set a hard minimum font size in firefox, since apparently all web designers either use a wall-sized screen, or else have better than 20/20 vision, or else they really just want you to admire the layout while perceiving the text as unreadable tiny dots
[18:40] <eviljames> Urchlay: Get your prescription checked, dude.  also ctrl-+ is your friend :D
[18:40] <Urchlay> eviljames: I'm nearsighted... meaning I should be able to see everything fine from close up
[18:41] <dustybin> eviljames: good reads here: http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/
[18:41] <dtanner> Urchlay: agreed.. why the nano sized fonts all over the web?
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[18:41] <Cann0n> dtanner: it wasnt too hard for 12.2. just had to recompile freetype and set my dpi properly for my res and what not
[18:42] <eviljames> dustybin: cool, thanks for the link!
[18:42] <Cann0n> took me like 10 minutes not including compiliation.
[18:42] <dtanner> Cann0n: then the same ol same ol. i remember recompiling freetype2 many times.
[18:43] <Cann0n> wasnt bad. sub pixel rendering and bytecode interperting where the only options i enabled
[18:44] <dtanner> i remember something about having to edit something in particular in freetype source so you could use certain fonts. can't recall exctly what is was now but slackware would not ship it compiled that way because of some copyright infringemnt crap or some such.
[18:45] <Cann0n> yeah. lame stuff.
[18:45] <dtanner> i understand about complying with copyrights and such but for fonts? that seemed ridiculous to me. like copyrighting the air you breathe.
[18:46] <Kenny_Duehit> I had internet on my farm, dialup.  3kb/s on a good day.   Then i went to school in the city and had 1.2mb/s. oh the flood of porn that ensued was astronomical.
[18:46] <dtanner> yes , bytecode. that was it.
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[18:53] <lamenick> how does one remove entire software series with removepkg, if it's at all possible
[18:53] <manwichmakeameal> you can use slackpkg for that
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[18:54] <manwichmakeameal> slackpkg uninstall x or whatever series you want
[18:54] <lamenick> great
[18:54] <dtanner> i want to see the yingyang symbol
[18:54] <lamenick> when are they going to update the slackbook? :)
[18:55] <lamenick> I'm  going through it right now and it seems a little outdated
[18:55] <manwichmakeameal> has anyone tried (besides alienBob) alienBob's vlc 1.0 slackbuild script?
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[18:55] <manwichmakeameal> it keeps failing at twolame
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[18:58] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: Hey!  Stop hating on Firefox!
[18:59] <eviljames> :D
[18:59] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: haha, reddit ;p
[18:59] <Camarade_Tux> and no, never! ;p
[18:59] <fire|bird> y0 Camarade_Tux
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[19:00] <Camarade_Tux> hey |bdefiir!
[19:01] <Camarade_Tux> gah, text is garbled and I thought there was a website called Camarede_cheezburger.com with tons of lolcat pics =/
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[19:02] <fire|bird> haha
[19:03] <Camarade_Tux> sorry, you got sorted out ><
[19:03] <fire|bird> you should be sorry.
[19:03] <fire|bird> :P
[19:04] <Urchlay> manwichmakeameal: what's twolame for again? mpeg layer 2 audio? probably you could just comment that out of his script and never miss it
[19:04] Action: TwinReverb loves lolcat
[19:05] Action: Camarade_Tux loves lolcat too but not thousands on a website with his nickname :P 
[19:05] <Urchlay> DVDs don't use it, and the vast majority of .avi files are mp3 audio if they're not a straight copy of the AAC audio on the DVD they were ripped from
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[19:13] <manwichmakeameal> what about h.264? I'm not too familiar with all the different codecs and whatnot
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[19:14] <odla> how is kde4 on slackware-current? i am going to do a current install and am trying to decide between xfce4 and kde4
[19:14] <fire|bird> odla: I'm on kde4 right now. It's great.
[19:14] <manwichmakeameal> i like both. kde4 runs great on my desktop with nvidia drivers
[19:14] <manwichmakeameal> not so much on my laptop with ati
[19:15] <fire|bird> but, it's personal preference. They are both nice. If you install both, you can just try both out and see what you like more.
[19:15] <fire|bird> manwichmakeameal: which, if any, affects you have enabled in kde4 can make a huge difference.
[19:16] <fire|bird> s/affects/effects/
[19:16] <odla> fire|bird: yeah i use to be a fan of kde3 but kde 4.0 and 4.1 were too unstable for me and i was curious how 4.2 was doing ...
[19:16] <fire|bird> Well, current is 4.2.4, it has been very stable for me.
[19:16] <Camarade_Tux> well, night everybod :)
[19:16] <Camarade_Tux> *y
[19:16] <fire|bird> night Camarade_Tux
[19:16] <odla> yeah i am not sure if i've tried 4.2.x
[19:17] <manwichmakeameal> did anyone else using ati notice after the big Xorg upgrade that everything kinda slowed down?
[19:17] <Urchlay> manwichmakeameal: h.264 is starting to get popular, especially with highly compressed video files like the ones meant for viewing on little devices like ipods or phones
[19:18] <Urchlay> manwichmakeameal: I wouldn't omit h.264 in my own build of something like mplayer
[19:18] Action: Urchlay hasn't looked at vlc in many *many* moons
[19:19] <manwichmakeameal> well, I read somewhere (can't remember) that with 1.0, vlc has the ability to use hardware acceleration for h.264
[19:20] <fire|bird> Anyone know why konqueror views flash just fine, yet when I try the konqueror web browser widget for the desktop, it says I need flash?
[19:20] <Urchlay> yeah, though I think the cards that have support for that aren't all that common yet... might ask someone who actually keeps up with the hardware market though
[19:20] <Cann0n> fire|bird: cuz it's konqueror lol
[19:20] <Urchlay> fire|bird: same reason Evil always wins: because Good is dumb
[19:20] <fire|bird> Cann0n: :), I've been using konqueror the past couple days, it's actually really nice.
[19:20] <Cann0n> might need to symlink the plugins for flash to the widget
[19:20] <fire|bird> hahaha
[19:21] <Cann0n> it's ok. i used to use it a lot. too bloated for my taste
[19:21] <lamenick> manwichmakeameal: there's no uninstall argument for slackpkg that allows me to remove entire software series
[19:21] <Cann0n> im about to switch to opera cuz FF is getting to much bloat
[19:21] <fire|bird> Cann0n: 10 snapshots or 9.x stable?
[19:22] <lamenick> is there any other way?
[19:22] <manwichmakeameal> sorry, it's remove
[19:22] <Cann0n> 9.x
[19:22] <manwichmakeameal> slackpkg remove x
[19:22] <Urchlay> hm, what does "slackpkg remove ''" do?
[19:22] <fire|bird> Cann0n: Ah, ok. 10 is getting very close to final release.
[19:23] <fire|bird> a new snapshot was released today.
[19:23] <fire|bird> anyway, bbiab, gonna get some food.
[19:23] <Urchlay> (if the slackpkg authors are smart, an error message. If they're not, or if they hadn't thought about the possibility, it might try to remove everything on the system... so don't try it!)
[19:23] <fire|bird> Urchlay: test it out and give us a report. :)
[19:23] <Cann0n> opera 9.6 still seems like too mcuh bloat lol
[19:24] <fire|bird> bloat? how so?
[19:24] <lamenick> damn, sorry
[19:24] <Cann0n> widgets lol
[19:24] <Pig_Pen> if you really want "no bloat" use lynx or links
[19:25] <fire|bird> Cann0n: the widgets are bloat?
[19:25] <lamenick> I overlooked the pattern part in slackpkg's man page
[19:25] <Cann0n> yeah i should... i might go back to FF2
[19:25] <fire|bird> Cann0n: check out midori or arora (on SBo)
[19:25] <fire|bird> minimal, yet friggen fast.
[19:26] <Cann0n> yeah.
[19:26] <Cann0n> i hated midori. never tried arora
[19:26] <odla> what are my kde options for a network manager for slackware-current? knetworkmanager and kwifimanager are gone right?
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[19:27] <campassi> wicd
[19:27] <fire|bird> Cann0n: arora is very, very, nice.
[19:27] <fire|bird> imo
[19:27] <eviljames> campassi: wicd is great!
[19:27] <eviljames> odla: What campassi said. :D
[19:27] <odla> there's no QT options? just GTK?
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[19:28] <campassi> wicd is awesome
[19:28] <manwichmakeameal> the newest wicd looks pretty much like qt
[19:28] <eviljames> iirc, they are under construction.  Big whoop, though, wicd is a cute little python script that _works_
[19:28] <campassi> and works well
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[19:28] <campassi> network manager is a bag of fail
[19:29] <campassi> greasy fail I might add
[19:29] <eviljames> campassi: plz stay out of my brainz,kthxbye
[19:29] <coldford> network manager should be erased from the internets
[19:29] <campassi> hehe
[19:29] <campassi> boy, we have a network manager hate klan
[19:30] <coldford> i'd rather use ifconfig/iwconfig
[19:30] <coldford> wicd is awesome though
[19:30] <coldford> cause it actually works
[19:30] <kenny_duehitt> when installing flash it asks me for installation path to Mozilla.   /usr/lib/mozilla returns warning: please enter valid path....
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[19:31] <Cann0n> WICD is the best
[19:31] <RipVanWinkle> just put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins
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[19:33] <kenny_duehitt> RipVanWinkle: it did not much like that
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[19:33] <pi31415> ugh
[19:34] <frullet> kenny_duehitt: /usr/lib/firefox and use the build from SBo
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[19:36] <Cann0n> i tell you what!
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[19:37] <pi31415> having trouble w/ openvpn-gui client in 32bit vista
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[19:38] <Cann0n> cuz it's vista
[19:38] <Cann0n> i couldnt even get diablo 2 to work on vista
[19:38] <Cann0n> hell, i couldn't even get IE to work on vista
[19:38] <pi31415> tap driver blocked due to incompatibility (after about a dozen UAC and misc confirmations)
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[19:40] <Cann0n> a lot of things don't work on vista
[19:41] <Cann0n> compiling arora
[19:41] <Cann0n> fire|bird: this better be good... or else!
[19:43] <manwichmakeameal> i just got done compiling it too
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[19:44] <manwichmakeameal> as soon as i opened arora, it crashed
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[19:46] <fire|bird> Cann0n: It is good, imo. :)
[19:47] <fire|bird> Cann0n: If you don't like it, you get your money back. :P
[19:48] <gnubien> fire|bird: email me my money!
[19:48] <eviljames> I always hate it when there's a car across the street with its hood up, and a crowd of dudes standing around it, and I'm stuck in an office building.
[19:50] <fire|bird> eviljames: just close the window. :)
[19:50] <fire|bird> gnubien: not a chance.....and.....I'm broke. :(
[19:51] <gnubien> fire|bird: you cant squeeze blood from a turnip :)
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[19:51] <lolwut> Has anyone used alien bob's script for making a boot disk out of a jump drive?
[19:52] <fire|bird> gnubien: :)
[19:53] <fire|bird> gnubien: If you ever do though, save it, it might be worth something. ;)
[19:53] <campassi> lolwut, what do you mean bootdisk?
[19:53] <campassi> as in, to boot slackware?
[19:53] <gnubien> fire|bird: ok, i'll email you a sample ;)
[19:53] <eviljames> yea, pretty sure he means bootable usb.
[19:53] <lolwut> yea to install slackware from a jump drive, like on a netbook w/o a floppy drive or cd
[19:55] <|Slacker|> lolwut, using unetbootin i think is simpler
[19:55] <campassi> the file, usbboot.img
[19:55] <campassi> http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/
[19:55] <|Slacker|> you just need an iso
[19:55] <campassi> unetbooting doesn't work right with slackware for me
[19:56] <|Slacker|> for me worked perfectly
[19:56] <campassi> just dd the usbboot.img to a flash drive, and extract the iso somewhere, and that's all that's worked for me
[19:56] <campassi> hmm
[19:56] <lolwut> well im talking about using his script to make the image that you copy onto your jump drive, I set it to 4050mb like it said to but i got a not enough space error when it was making the iso
[19:56] <campassi> wish it worked for me
[19:56] <odla> what is appletalk daemon? it seems to really slow down my boot
[19:57] <Pig_Pen> for networking with macs on a LAN, get rid of it if you dont need it
[19:57] <lamenick> lolwut: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT
[19:57] <lamenick> and do a ftp/http install
[19:57] <odla> Pig_Pen: how do i turn it off?
[19:57] <lamenick> I just did that last night
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[19:57] <Pig_Pen> probably in /etc/rc.d
[19:57] <Cann0n_> fire|bird: i like aror
[19:57] <Cann0n_> a
[19:57] <fire|bird> Cann0n_: excellent. :)
[19:59] <Pig_Pen> i never installed appletalk because i know i would not need it, other than what it does i dont know much about it
[20:01] <lolwut> oh thats alot eaiser then making your own image lol
[20:01] <lolwut> i guess i was following an old howto lol
[20:01] <campassi> yeah, ftp install is a good idea
[20:01] <lamenick> yeah, just dd it to your usb flash drive
[20:02] <campassi> does it matter, ftp vs http ?
[20:02] <lolwut> well actually the other way includes all the pkg's on the jumpdrive so that you dont have to http/ftp them
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[20:02] <lolwut> the only problem Im having is when i make the stupid thing it freaks out
[20:03] <illuz1oN> http://milw0rm.com/exploits/9083
[20:03] <illuz1oN> time to update the stock kernels :P
[20:03] <illuz1oN> I'll go test...
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[20:04] <P4C0> hello, does slackware comes with qtdesigner?
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[20:05] <Cann0n_> P4C0: no
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[20:06] <BP{k}> Cann0n_: uhm... fail
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[20:07] <Cann0n_> where is it located BP{k} ?
[20:07] <BP{k}> qt-r964497-x86_64-1:usr/lib64/qt/bin/designer
[20:08] <BP{k}> P4C0: yes, it's part of QT.
[20:08] <P4C0> it didn't show in the menus, and I was looking for it as qtdesigner
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[20:09] <BP{k}> P4C0: I admit I had to quickly google it as well and came to find it was named "designer".
[20:09] <Cann0n_> i cant find it BP{k}
[20:09] <Cann0n_> ah
[20:09] <P4C0> :) thanks guys
[20:09] <Cann0n_> hence why i couldnt find it.
[20:09] <Cann0n_> it's def not in lib/qt/bin
[20:09] <Cann0n_> just /usr/bin/
[20:10] <BP{k}> Cann0n_: version of slackware?
[20:10] <Cann0n_> 12.2
[20:11] <BP{k}>  in that case: /usr/lib/qt/bin/designer
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[20:12] <BP{k}> (/usr/bin/desginer being a symlink.)
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[20:12] <Cann0n_> ah
[20:12] Action: Cann0n_ makes note of that
[20:13] <Cann0n_> i wish i had a driveway
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[20:18] <tenlet> is 12.2 going to be the newest slackware version for a bit or is 13.0 coming out soon?
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[20:19] <Dominian> 13.0 WhenItsDone(tm)
[20:19] <Dominian> If you follow the changelog.. you get a "hint"
[20:19] <Cann0n_> ... versions only watter when you are talking about what packages slack comes with
[20:19] <Necos> tenlet: they're on 13.0rc1, so "soonish"
[20:19] <tenlet> will i have the same problem with the -boot-load-size of 32 when trying to install
[20:19] <tenlet> for 13.0
[20:20] <Necos> ?
[20:20] <Dominian> eh
[20:20] <Dominian> I've never heard of that limitation before
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[20:22] <Necos> wow, it's referenced in an 8.1 install via floppies
[20:22] <Necos> http://www.userlocal.com/dosslack/
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[20:24] <Necos> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/slackware-linux-help/99793-slackware-12-cant-boot-installation-cd.html
[20:24] <lontra> how can i enable reboot/shutdown/suspend/hibernate in xfce4?
[20:26] <thrice`> add yourself to the power group
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[20:28] <lontra> thrice`, thanks
[20:29] <thrice`> sure
[20:29] <lontra> also how can i have a bytecode-enabled version of freetype?
[20:29] <Necos> recompile it?
[20:29] <thrice`> why, don't like the fonts?
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[20:30] <lontra> yeah they are fuzzy
[20:30] Action: thrice` thinks the whole "bytecode" freetype thing is silly
[20:30] <thrice`> fuzzy where ?
[20:30] <Necos> thrice`: linkage?
[20:31] <thrice`> to what, my opinion? :)
[20:31] <lontra> oh there is no wicd for 64 bit
[20:31] <BP{k}> thrice@home:/dev/brain/opinion/
[20:31] <Necos> what it is >.>
[20:31] <thrice`> sure there is
[20:31] <lontra> packages.slackware.it doesn't show it
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[20:31] <thrice`> let me open a mirror and look for you
[20:32] <Urchlay> slackware64-current/extra/wicd
[20:32] <Urchlay> er, sorry, slackware64/extra/wicd
[20:32] <thrice`> http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/extra/wicd/
[20:32] <Urchlay> lontra: packages.slackware.it is (guess what) not officially supported by slackware
[20:33] <gar0t0> slackpkg install wicd
[20:33] <gar0t0> :D
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[20:33] <lontra> Urchlay, strange since i found it off www.slackware.org
[20:33] <Urchlay> actually, you're right, it is linked to by slackware.com
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[20:34] <Urchlay> somehow I thought the package browser site wasn't a .it site
[20:34] <Dominian> yeah..
[20:34] <Dominian> its a good site
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[20:35] Action: Dominian would like to get their code and "mirror" that somewhere else "just in case"
[20:35] <Urchlay> apparently not *that* good though
[20:35] <Urchlay> see http://packages.slackware.it/browse.php
[20:35] <Urchlay> first entry is "slackware-slackware64-curre", and it's an empty directory. So searching for wicd in 64-current doesn't work, but then nothing else does either :)
[20:36] <Dominian> hehe
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[20:37] <lontra> so how can i get crisper fonts in slackware without recompiling freetype?
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[20:37] <thrice`> which apps ?
[20:37] <thrice`> is it the DE in general, just firefox ?
[20:37] <Urchlay> Dominian: honestly, you could probably whip up a PHP-driven site that does the same thing without spending much time/effort on it
[20:37] <lontra> i am using xfce ... pretty much all GTK apps, firefox, etc.
[20:38] <Dominian> Urchlay: probably
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[20:38] <Urchlay> and yours could avoid the empty directory bug :)
[20:38] <thrice`> well, in xfce, you set the fonts in appearance -> fonts
[20:38] <lontra> yeah i've played with that
[20:38] <thrice`> click on "enable anti-aliasing", and push "medium" or something for Hinting
[20:38] <Urchlay> (to be fair, the empty dir might be caused by whatever process mirrors the FTP sites, not the PHP web stuff itself)
[20:39] <thrice`> firefox uses its own
[20:39] <thrice`> pref., content, and click "advanced"
[20:40] <thrice`> going down the list, I use "Sans Serif, Lib. Serif, Lib. Sans, Lib. Sans Mono", and un-check "Allow webpages to do their own shit"
[20:40] <kenny_duehitt> What is a good music player for streaming music across an smb share? must be able to hadle a playlist of 3000+ songs.
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[20:40] <Necos> any
[20:41] <Necos> amarok, audacious (yeah, some people hate it), xmms...
[20:41] <Urchlay> kenny_duehitt: have you tried xmms? (It may not be the absolute best/nicest one available, but it has the advantage of probably already being installed on your slackware system...)
[20:41] <kenny_duehitt> will try,  thx
[20:41] <Urchlay> heck, mpg321 or mplayer would work, if you don't want a GUI
[20:42] <Necos> or gmplayer even... vlc... the list is endless
[20:42] <Urchlay> cd ~/music ; find . -type f -iname \*.mp3 | mpg123 -@-
[20:42] <kenny_duehitt> xmms reminds me of winamp
[20:42] <Urchlay> I always liked that one
[20:43] <Urchlay> kenny_duehitt: it used to be known as "x11amp", go figure :)
[20:43] <Necos> hehehe
[20:43] <kenny_duehitt> nice
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[20:43] <kenny_duehitt> i knew there was an odd reason I liked winamp a lot in windows...
[20:43] <Necos> winamp had to be the best project on windows, until v5 came out
[20:44] <Necos> i.e., when they got bought
[20:45] <fire|bird> Necos: heh, yup, good ol AOL. :P
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[20:45] <Necos> and now they're tanking... go figure!
[20:46] <fire|bird> around when they were bought, I switched to foobar2000
[20:46] <Necos> i still use the old versions =p
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[20:47] <fire|bird> Necos: yeah, I don't really use windows at all anymore, so it's all linux for me. I use xmms mostly.
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[20:48] <Urchlay> hm, I really do use mplayer as an mp3 player a good bit
[20:48] <fire|bird> mplayer? really?
[20:48] <Urchlay> yeah
[20:48] <Necos> mplayer with -list is good
[20:48] <fire|bird> any certain reason?
[20:48] <Urchlay> run in an xterm, use arrow keys to skip around
[20:48] <Necos> i just can't get it to /random
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[20:49] <Urchlay> fire|bird: I dunno, the keyboard's easier for me to use than the mouse, I guess (the first 10+ years I used computers, either the mouse wasn't invented yet or else my computer was too old to use one)
[20:50] <Urchlay> fire|bird: just lately, learning all these cover songs, I find I need the ability to skip around inside the mp3. Before that I used mpg123 (command line, completely non-interactive mp3 player)
[20:51] <fire|bird> Hmm, I guess I've never used mplayer as anything but a video player.
[20:51] <RipVanWinkle> i ripped streams with mplayer as ogg files
[20:52] <lontra> how can i load the ndiswrapper module at boot time?
[20:53] <Necos> add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local
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[20:54] <Urchlay> fire|bird: mplayer's useful for ripping the audio from a video stream too (like you did for that video last week)
[20:54] <Urchlay> eh, except you didn't actually use mplayer I guess
[20:54] <fire|bird> Urchlay: yeah, that's true.
[20:55] <fire|bird> what did I use, I can't remember now. :P
[20:55] <Urchlay> some web site called keepvid or something
[20:55] <fire|bird> Urchlay: oh yeah, that was to get the video. I can't remember what I used to get the audio stream from the video.
[20:55] <Urchlay> maybe it was mplayer
[20:56] <fire|bird> possibly.
[20:56] <Urchlay> mplayer -dumpaudio -dumpfile foo.mp3 file.flv
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[20:56] <fire|bird> ah yeah, that was it.
[20:56] <Urchlay> if it had been a youtube video, I would have run my silly little youtube2mp3 script
[20:57] <Pig_Pen> mms://stream.joefrank.com/Selections/AscenttoK2.wma  here is a stream to test on, Joe Frank has some funny monologues
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[20:59] <lontra> any tips on getting ndiswrapper to work?
[20:59] <Urchlay> one annoyance of -dumpaudio: when it's used, mplayer completely ignores the -ss and -endpos options (which normally tell it where to stop and end playback)
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[21:00] <Necos> i really like avidemux for that kinda stuff
[21:00] <Necos> takes out all the guesswork
[21:00] <eviljames> so does ffmpeg
[21:00] <aceofspades19> the only thing that I have found so far wrong with the slackware 13 rc1 is that kdevelop and koffice crash a lot
[21:00] <eviljames> by making you specify /everything/
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[21:01] <Necos> heh, which is exactly what i don't want when i'm just saving an mp3 from an avi =p
[21:01] <Urchlay> Necos: avidemux = GUI? that's a case where a GUI would be an improvement... much easier to select start/end position that way than to write down the minutes:seconds
[21:01] <thumbs> Urchlay: yes.
[21:01] <Necos> avidemux.sf.net
[21:01] <thumbs> Urchlay: avidemux is awesome.
[21:02] <Urchlay> hm, but avidemux probably can't take the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qweqweqweqwe URL and spit out an mp3 of it :(
[21:02] <Necos> avidemux is to linux what virtualdub / nandub is to windows
[21:02] <tank-man> something weird is happening here ... all of a sudden my filesystem is read-only, wtf
[21:02] <lontra> are there any special tricks for getting ndiswrapper to work?
[21:02] <tank-man> ls
[21:02] <aceofspades19> lontra: no
[21:02] <Necos> >.>
[21:03] <aceofspades19> lontra: what problems are you havin
[21:03] <aceofspades19> g
[21:03] <thrice`> http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network
[21:03] <lontra> let me try to get a different windows driver maybe that was the problem
[21:04] <Urchlay> tank-man: look for filesystem/disk errors in dmesg?
[21:04] <lontra> neither ifconfig nor iwconfig see my driver
[21:04] <aceofspades19> lontra: did you modprobe it?
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[21:04] <lontra> aceofspades19, yup
[21:05] <Necos> ok, time to get out of here :)
[21:05] <tank-man> yea i think i see errors, i was in the process of copying /home to a new hdd
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[21:05] <Necos> see ya guys tomorrow
[21:05] <fire|bird> see ya Necos
[21:05] <Urchlay> adios, Necos
[21:06] <aceofspades19> lontra: what wireless card do you have
[21:06] <tank-man> gotta shutdown
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[21:06] <lontra> aceofspades19, BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n
[21:06] <lontra> i am following this to get the driver ... http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=182684
[21:07] <Dominian> er..
[21:07] <lontra> then running ndiswrapper -i *.inf, ndiswrapper -l, ndiswrapper -m, modprobe ndiswrapper but nothing
[21:07] <thrice`> braodcome is supported natively on linux
[21:07] <thrice`> broadcom*
[21:07] <lontra> for wireless?
[21:07] <thrice`> yep
[21:07] <lontra> since?
[21:07] <thrice`> i'm not looking that up
[21:07] <lontra> hasn't worked for me on any distros
[21:07] <ccfreak2k> A while.
[21:07] <ccfreak2k> At least a few years.
[21:08] <ccfreak2k> Supported under bcm43xx and, more recently, b43.
[21:08] <lontra> you're not talking about that b43fw-cutter crap
[21:08] <thrice`> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=b43&sv=12.2
[21:08] <ccfreak2k> Actually I am.
[21:08] <thrice`> whynot?
[21:08] <lontra> doesn't work
[21:08] <Pig_Pen> you need to either use wicd, or edit some files directly = /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 & /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless
[21:08] <PiterPunk> lontra: you need only the firmware. I don't know 4328, but mine 4318 only needs firmware to work
[21:08] <lontra> i've tried elsewhere
[21:08] <thrice`> judging from your questions so far, I think it might be pebkac
[21:08] <thrice`> try again :)
[21:08] <ccfreak2k> lontra, it's hit-or-miss depending on the model.
[21:08] <ccfreak2k> Some work perfectly well, others don't.
[21:08] <Pig_Pen> also /etc/resolv.conf make sure your ISPs nameservers are in it
[21:08] <ccfreak2k> The official web site lists which work and which don't.
[21:09] <lontra> thrice`, coming from debian i've been using ndiswrapper not b43 as it's flaky
[21:09] <ccfreak2k> IF yours is supported, there's a very good chance that yours will work when set up correctly.
[21:10] <thrice`> your call; ndiswrapper is about as hackish as it comes
[21:10] <ccfreak2k> Indeed, and b43 is much nicer when it works.
[21:10] <ccfreak2k> There's even support for packet injection.
[21:11] <kenny_duehitt> going to put slack on a laptop now for the purpose of hooking up to my TV and watching shows/movies/etc     any tips?
[21:11] <lontra> according to http://linuxwireless.org my card isn't supported
[21:11] <kenny_duehitt> hmmmm
[21:11] <Pig_Pen> wow, kenny is turning in to a slacker
[21:12] <ccfreak2k> lontra, that's probably why it isn't working then.
[21:12] Action: kenny_duehitt used to be a slacker way back when
[21:12] <kenny_duehitt> then got to into games and stayed in windows and forgot mostly everything
[21:12] <kenny_duehitt> :(
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[21:13] <Pig_Pen> no time like the present to start learning slackware again, you have the advantage of already knowing what you're getting in to
[21:14] <kenny_duehitt> I wonder if this is what Alzheimers feels like...
[21:15] <Pig_Pen> maybe, are you old?
[21:15] <superGear> kenny_duehitt: remember your kids/parents name and such?
[21:16] <kenny_duehitt> 22  :(    and I'm bad with names regardless  :( :(
[21:16] <fire|bird> kenny_duehitt: you at least remember your name, right? :)
[21:16] <superGear> 22 isn't old
[21:16] <superGear> ....
[21:16] <kenny_duehitt> true
[21:16] <kenny_duehitt> double true
[21:16] <superGear> i bet there are people here twice as old as you
[21:17] <Pig_Pen> 50 is just a little over a year away for me
[21:17] <superGear> o_O
[21:17] <dtanner> 47 here
[21:17] <superGear> u r old :P
[21:18] <dtanner> my youngest child is 22
[21:18] <superGear> Danny Tanner
[21:18] <antiwire> I just did a clean install of -current on a test system and akonadi keeps erring out when I startx. I can get into kde4 just fine but i keep getting an error mysql
[21:18] <superGear> Full House
[21:18] <superGear> ....
[21:19] <antiwire> has anyone seen this yet?
[21:19] <superGear> need mysql?
[21:19] <antiwire> full install....
[21:19] <BP{k}> is mysql started?
[21:19] <fire|bird> antiwire: iirc, I got that when I first did the clean install of current, but haven't got it since.
[21:19] <superGear> mysql not started?
[21:19] <antiwire> BP{k}: the system has to run mysqld now just ofr kde4?
[21:20] <antiwire> superGear: seriously wtf
[21:20] <thrice`> or just ignore the errors :)
[21:20] <superGear> ignore the error?
[21:20] <antiwire> thrice`: I would but akonadi keeps putting its lame window up
[21:20] Nick change: Night-Horse1 -> NightHorse
[21:20] <antiwire> why is superGear not banned yet?
[21:20] <dive> yeah I found that
[21:20] <antiwire> he's not helping anyone
[21:20] <fire|bird> Hey dive, how's it going?
[21:21] <antiwire> dive: was that for me? you see the same issue?
[21:21] <Pig_Pen> mms://stream.joefrank.com/Selections/OddJobs.wma here is another one
[21:21] <dive> hi fire|bird - going well thanks - soon have a flux style up
[21:21] <dive> antiwire, yeah same error on staring kde4
[21:21] <antiwire> dive: ok, thanks. At least it's not just me then.
[21:21] <fire|bird> dive: nice
[21:22] <dive> actually I should look into it
[21:22] <dive> I've been avoiding it ad using xfce
[21:23] <BP{k}> I used KDE4 for a little bit, then switched to xfce.
[21:23] <antiwire> this akonadi thing is some bullshit
[21:23] <dive> I'm back to using flux on 12.2
[21:23] <lontra> how can i blacklist ssb?
[21:23] <thrice`> BP{k}: :>
[21:23] <dive> I only use -current for testing stuff out so it isn't set up for any particular use
[21:24] <thumbs> I love xfece
[21:24] <Cann0n_> anywhere know where i can order maple ply wood?
[21:24] <thumbs> xfce, rather.
[21:24] <thumbs> Cann0n_: your local renovation center?
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[21:24] <superGear> Home Depot or smthin
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[21:27] <BP{k}> hmm looking at "http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=62099" seems you might need to actually have mysql running.
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[21:27] <thumbs> that's heavy.
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[21:28] <BP{k}> also: http://www.curtisfarnham.com/2009/02/02/akonadi-and-mysql/
[21:28] <lontra> ok i get ifconfig to see my card building the wl.ko module ... now how can i get wicd to see it?
[21:28] <BP{k}> thumbs: agreed.
[21:28] <antiwire> that is some serious lameness
[21:29] <Cann0n_> thumbs: they dont have maple ply
[21:29] <antiwire> having mysql running is fine if i already have it running for a local DB but just for some kde akonadi bullshit?
[21:29] <Cann0n_> you cant just get it at home depot
[21:29] <Pig_Pen> Cann0n_: talk to some local cabinet makers
[21:30] <BP{k}> antiwire: not to mention if KDE starts to migrate stuff over to it. |:
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[21:30] <Cann0n_> im about to go cut down trees
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[21:30] <Pig_Pen> maple and other hardwood plywood in not typical homedepot stock i would not think
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[21:31] <Pig_Pen> there has to be some cabinet shops in your town, most civilizations have them ;p
[21:31] <Cann0n_> yeah but im out in the woods
[21:31] <lontra> could anyone throw me a tip as to how to get wicd to see my wireless card?
[21:32] <Cann0n_> ive been looking online all might
[21:32] <superGear> cut down some trees
[21:32] <Cann0n_> lontra: is your card on?
[21:32] <lontra> yup
[21:32] <lontra> iwconfig and ifconfig see it
[21:32] <Cann0n_> do you have the drivers right?
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[21:32] <lontra> yup
[21:32] <Cann0n_> did you try sudo wicd-client?
[21:33] <lontra> wicd started up automatically when i logged into xfce
[21:33] <Cann0n_> but did you try running it in su?
[21:33] <lontra> hang on
[21:33] <Pig_Pen> wait until normal business hours, get a telephone book out and look up "cabinet makers"
[21:34] <Cann0n_> yeah...
[21:34] <Cann0n_> but i'd rather have it shipped
[21:34] <Cann0n_> i dont have means to transport the size i neeed
[21:34] <lontra> Cann0n_, i get a seg fault
[21:34] <Cann0n_> hmm
[21:35] <Pig_Pen> a local cabinet shop could also pre-cut some of it if needed on a table saw so it would have nice square corners and straight edges
[21:35] <Cann0n_> thats not good. how did you install wicd? from /extra?
[21:35] <lontra> yes
[21:35] <thrice`> didn't you say wicd-client loads when you start xfce?
[21:36] <lontra> thrice`, yes ... so am i getting a seg fault cause wicd is already running?
[21:36] <Cann0n_> less talk, more do.
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[21:36] <Cann0n_> Pig_Pen: im building a skateboard
[21:37] <thrice`> lontra: if you click on the icon, it doesn't bring up ?
[21:37] <lontra> thrice`, no it just shows my wired network
[21:37] <Pig_Pen> ah, they probably have some scrap pieces about that size, you could get for almost nothing
[21:37] <antiwire> I think I just pinned my problems with kde4 effects + NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.14-pkg1.run
[21:37] <thrice`> lontra: go under preferences and make sure your wireless device is shown, as well as ndiswrapper or whatever
[21:38] <antiwire> it was the 2.6.30.* kernel causing the problems
[21:38] <lontra> thrice`, preferences does open for me
[21:38] <thumbs> antiwire: what's the fix?
[21:38] <lontra> err .. doesn't
[21:38] <Cann0n_> Pig_Pen: from a cabinet shop? i didnt think of buying their scrap wood
[21:38] <antiwire> thumbs: The fix was going back to 2.6.29.5 lol
[21:38] <thumbs> antiwire: bah.
[21:38] <antiwire> yeah i know
[21:38] <antiwire> i said more than bah too
[21:38] <thumbs> obviously
[21:38] <fire|bird> antiwire: I had the same issue here, my nvidia drivers would work on 2.6.30.* at all, so went to currents 2.6.29.5
[21:38] <Cann0n_> i really need 1/8" maple
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[21:39] <fire|bird> wouldn't
[21:39] <antiwire> fire|bird: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.14-pkg1.run works for 3D but kde4 effects won't enable when I use 2.6.30.*
[21:39] <Pig_Pen> good hardwood i bet they keep a bin with some small pieces if it is usable, hardwood is something you dont throw away like pine
[21:39] <Cann0n_> yeah
[21:40] <Cann0n_> yeah. im ready for a new skateboard
[21:40] <fire|bird> antiwire: I had the issue of the nvidia drivers wouldn't install at all, my drivers are 173-legacy though.
[21:40] <Kenny_Duehit> antiwire:  i can't get my nvidia drivers to work :( :(
[21:40] <lontra> maybe my groups are mixed up
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[21:40] <Cann0n_> im currently using a 44.5" plank of cedar
[21:40] <thumbs> Cann0n_: and more doobies?
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[21:40] <Pig_Pen> there is a guy i know that builds storage sheds from scrap he collects on jobsites we work at
[21:40] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: because you're doing it wrong
[21:40] <Cann0n_> thumbs: you holdin' out on me?
[21:40] <Kenny_Duehit> antiwire: how so
[21:40] <thumbs> Cann0n_: yeah. I have a few here.
[21:41] <Cann0n_> thumbs: shit... im bone dry here... mail me one?
[21:41] <Pig_Pen> he also builds dog houses and sells em on weekends at the flea market for 20 bucks a dog house
[21:41] <antiwire> Kenny_Duehit: whatever it is, we spent hours last night with you and everything should be fine so either it's your lame monitor, you aren't telling us everything or both
[21:41] <thumbs> Cann0n_: sure
[21:41] <Cann0n_> Pig_Pen: if i used scrap wood, it be better
[21:41] <Pig_Pen> sure if it is good quality hardwood
[21:41] <Kenny_Duehit> well I am certainly telling you everything.
[21:42] <antiwire> then it's probably your monitor
[21:42] <Kenny_Duehit> antiwire: I found my monitor spec sync rates today :D
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[21:43] <Cann0n_> my problem are funds. itd be awsome to get some 1/16" maple ply
[21:43] <Kenny_Duehit> but I will leave my screen alone for now.   VESA will keep me happy for the next day or 2
[21:43] <lontra> i think the preferences dialog box is seg fault or something
[21:44] <Cann0n_> i'd sandwhich 3 pieces of fiberglass between 4 pieces of maple
[21:44] <antiwire> fire|bird: I'm just glad that I can finally know that my system libs aren't borked and it was a change in the kernel
[21:44] <Cann0n_> lontra: try killall xfce-mcs-manager
[21:44] Action: thumbs blames nvidia
[21:45] <antiwire> thumbs: well, the same nvidia driver works fine under 2.6.29.5
[21:45] <lontra> Cann0n_, for wicd?
[21:45] <fire|bird> antiwire: yeah, no kidding. At least you know the cause now.
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[21:45] <Cann0n_> Kenny_Duehit: it takes me 45 seconds to set up xorg.conf lol
[21:45] <Pig_Pen> 1/16? that is damn thin, you might want something more like a half
[21:45] <antiwire> thumbs: this is a common thing with nvidia though, the driver usually totally breaks between kernel versions
[21:45] <Kenny_Duehit> Cann0n: grrrr
[21:46] <thumbs> antiwire: I agree.
[21:46] <ccfreak2k> antiwire, unsurprising. Linux's ABI is unstable like that.
[21:46] <lontra> seems strange that the preferences diaology won't open
[21:46] <Cann0n_> lontra: i dunno. i have problems running vlc with it
[21:46] <Pig_Pen> Kenny_Duehit: did you try X -configure then look at /root/xorg.conf.new (Maybe copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it works
[21:47] <Cann0n_> Kenny_Duehit: CRT?
[21:47] <Cann0n_> Pig_Pen: nah, thats why ima glue them togther and press them
[21:47] <antiwire> ccfreak2k: and this time it's even more strange because 3D accel continues to work fine, it's just the compositing effects that seem to break
[21:47] <ccfreak2k> Isn't compositing support for everything hinky anyway?
[21:48] <Pig_Pen> you are going to do your own lamination, i guess you know what you're doing
[21:48] <antiwire> I don't know enough about it to say yes or no
[21:48] <Cann0n_> Pig_Pen: nope. never did it before. lol. i couldnt be that hard
[21:49] <Cann0n_> i assume it'd take 3 days to make a board. including painting and clear coating
[21:49] <Pig_Pen> its not, just be sure to get the right kind of glue, (probably some sort of water proof epoxy)
[21:49] <dive> antiwire, it seems setting akonadi to use an external mysql db can fix some of the errors if mysqld is running, but that still leaves another 6 errors to do with dbus and resources
[21:49] <Cann0n_> yep. tite bond 3
[21:49] <lontra> also iwlist scanning shows a bunch of wireless networks for me
[21:50] <Cann0n_> lontra: what kind of card are you using?
[21:50] <Kenny_Duehit> Pig_Pen: I will try that now
[21:50] <Cann0n_> is the interface set in wicd?
[21:50] <Kenny_Duehit> Cann0n: yes CRT   hitachi superscan 812
[21:50] <lontra> Cann0n_, broadcom and i am using the wl.ko module from their website
[21:51] <lontra> Cann0n_, there is no interface in wicd ... i wonder if i needed to edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
[21:51] <Cann0n_> ...
[21:51] <Cann0n_> no... you set it...
[21:51] <Cann0n_> under the prefernce menu.
[21:51] <lontra> yeah but the preference menu doesn't work for me ... maybe i should roll my own
[21:52] <Cann0n_> mines wlan0
[21:52] <Cann0n_> sounds like you got a problem with gtk
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[21:52] <Cann0n_> did you kill xfce-mcs-manager?
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[21:53] <Cann0n_> Kenny_Duehit: careful when you set up xorg. no one told me setting the sync rates wrong could break a crt when i started linux...
[21:53] <thrice`> ?
[21:54] <superGear> duh
[21:54] <Cann0n_> my problem was i didnt know what my sync rates where
[21:54] <Cann0n_> lol
[21:55] <Kenny_Duehit> Cann0n: =-O
[21:55] <antiwire> even semi modern crts will simply blank themselves. it was the older ones that would screw up
[21:56] <Cann0n_> antiwire: yeah... it was old. it turned all yellw, then red, then started popping
[21:56] <Urchlay> and by "older" he means older than about 1994
[21:56] <superGear> everyone should be using LCDs now
[21:56] <john_dee> where do you report bugs on slack?
[21:56] <Cann0n_> yeah im on a laptop
[21:56] <Kenny_Duehit> is it a sign that it is you monitor or video card that when you startx it crashes the who0le system though....I can't even get to another tty when it does it....so does that mean it can't be just me screen not accepting the rates?
[21:57] <thrice`> john_dee: well, to Pat, but generally you should confirm them here or on forums
[21:57] <Urchlay> and honestly, most CRTs made 15+ years ago, if they've been used a lot, or stored in non-climate-controlled area, they probably aren't worth using even if they work
[21:57] <superGear> crashes the whole system
[21:57] <superGear> prob the vid card
[21:57] <Kenny_Duehit> yes, the whole system
[21:57] <superGear> wrong settings or smthin
[21:57] <Kenny_Duehit> ctrl alt del is even unresponsive
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[21:58] <superGear> it would be the video card i would think
[21:58] <Pig_Pen> wow, that bad, thats the last time i suggest X -configure to anyone
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[21:58] <john_dee> thrice`, there's a problem with wpa_supplicant. there's a config option "country" to set kernel regulatory domain, it seems to have no effect. while switching regdom by hand with "iw reg set SMTH" works
[21:59] <superGear> Kenny_Duehit: what's your video card?
[21:59] <Kenny_Duehit> nvidia gtx 260
[21:59] <Kenny_Duehit> factory OC'd
[21:59] <superGear> and what kernel?
[21:59] <Cann0n_> id be setting it up dude
[21:59] <Pig_Pen> how old is this PC Kenny_Duehit ?
[21:59] <superGear> maybe underclock it
[21:59] <superGear> or clock it to where it's suppose to be
[22:00] <superGear> or maybe your PSU is weak?
[22:00] <Kenny_Duehit> what is colsole command for kernel version?
[22:00] <Cann0n_> O.o
[22:00] <dive> uname -r
[22:00] <thrice`> john_dee: isn't that what crda is for with the kernel ?
[22:00] <Kenny_Duehit> kernel 2.6.27.7-smp
[22:01] <thrice`> john_dee: nevermind, I misunderstood
[22:01] <superGear> did you install the latest nvidia drivers?
[22:01] <Kenny_Duehit> my PC is custom built. incomming specs
[22:01] <Pig_Pen> stock 12.2 kernel
[22:01] <Cann0n_> yeah lol
[22:01] <thrice`> but crda was added to -current, I thought for that reason
[22:02] <Cann0n_> im still using 2.6.27.7
[22:02] <superGear> Kenny_Duehit: do you have a spare video card to see if it is the video card?
[22:02] <Kenny_Duehit> PSU: OCZ 700W   CPU: 939 pin Athlon 4200+ (2.4ghz single core) MOBO: ABIT AN8-SLI
[22:02] <Kenny_Duehit> yes I do actually
[22:03] <Kenny_Duehit> I have a Redeon X800XL
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[22:03] <john_dee> thrice`, you can set it with userland apps. for example "iw" command i mentioned. and you "can" set it from wpa_supplicant config. and it doens't seem to work
[22:03] <superGear> wow a highend vid card with a single core cpu
[22:03] <Pig_Pen> thats fairly decent cpu, and motherboard, not new but not ancient
[22:03] <superGear> time to upgrade ya mobo/cpu :P
[22:04] <Pig_Pen> heck i would keep something with specs like that
[22:04] <superGear> it's old in computer years :P
[22:04] <Kenny_Duehit> superGear: I upgrade at the weakest component and normally go big.   everything catches up eventually
[22:04] <Cann0n_> Kenny_Duehit: do you have the serial number of your mobo?
[22:04] <superGear> tho anything bought today will be old tomorrow
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[22:04] <john_dee> thrice`, crda is between userland app and kernel, if i get it right
[22:04] <thrice`> john_dee: oh, I see :)  it doesn't sound specific to slackware though, is it?
[22:04] <Pig_Pen> who cares, i would run it
[22:04] <Urchlay> yes, we always have to spend more money just because somebody says "time to upgrade", even if our machines are fast/capable enough to meet our needs. Bleah, you sure this isn't #windows?
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[22:05] <Pig_Pen> it is sli so it is not too old
[22:05] <john_dee> thrice`, well it may be supplicant problem, true :)
[22:05] <superGear> Urchlay: yes you must upgrade cause a random nick says so!
[22:05] <Kenny_Duehit> Cann0n.: let me get my flashlight.  ;)
[22:05] <Cann0n_> lol
[22:06] <superGear> flesh*
[22:06] <Pig_Pen> if i had to i would buy a cheap vid card at newegg and stick in it, preferably nvidia
[22:06] <john_dee> thrice`, don't have other distros installed to check
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[22:07] <superGear> john_dee: no LiveCD/DVD?
[22:07] <Kenny_Duehit> the video card WOULD block my serial # and make this hard, wouldn't it! >:o
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[22:07] <thrice`> john_dee: ah, ok.  sorry, not sure :)  you can email pat of course, but if it's beyond his control, not sure how far you'll get :>
[22:10] <Kenny_Duehit> I'll have to come back in 5 min with that serial #   gotta remove the video card
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[22:11] <john_dee> superGear, none that would help with this
[22:12] <john_dee> thrice`, just wanted to make sure that it's not my /dev/hands that is the issue %)
[22:12] <lamenick> does pidgin still depend on dbus?
[22:12] <Pig_Pen> --without-dbus
[22:12] <thrice`> the stock slackware package needs it
[22:12] <lamenick> that was fast
[22:13] <Pig_Pen> if you build with that parameter, but if you just use slackware's build then yes it depends on dbus
[22:13] <thrice`> I wouldn't try to rip dbus out of slackware
[22:13] <Pig_Pen> lots of breakages
[22:14] <Pig_Pen> lots of things to rebuild
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[22:15] <lamenick> thanks
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[22:19] <slak> anybody here?
[22:19] <Urchlay> no
[22:19] <slak> ok
[22:20] <slak> :D
[22:20] <powtrix> no, im
[22:20] <powtrix> well I was
[22:20] <slak> just wondering ...
[22:21] <slak> hey guys do you know exactly the reasons of pam being insecure according to pat
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[22:23] <Urchlay> I don't think pat actually claims it's insecure
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[22:26] <antiwire> slak: I'll tell you what I think but I don't speak for Pat
[22:26] <antiwire> I have created my own pam packages that integrate into slackware, which also requires the rebuilding of a ton of stock packages too.
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[22:27] <slak> Urchlay, "If you see a security problem reported which depends on PAM, you can be glad you run Slackware. I think a better name for PAM might be SCAM, for Swiss Cheese Authentication Modules, and have never felt that the small amount of convenience it provides is worth the great loss of system security. We miss out on half a dozen security problems a year by not using PAM, but you can always install it yourself if you feel that you're missing out on the fun
[22:27] <slak> . (No, don't do that.) OK, I'm done ranting here. :-)"
[22:28] <antiwire> It's an added layer of complexity that, from what I can tell, the Slackware project simply doesn't want to deal with right now. There was a time when some PAM *modules* had some serious flaws.
[22:28] <slak> pat states on slackware 9.1 release
[22:28] <thrice`> that's quite dated, I don't think security is an issue any more
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[22:28] <lamenick> I apologize if this sounds stupid, but does pidgin require dbus to run or just be present? *braces for shitstorm*
[22:29] <thrice`> probably just to be installed
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[22:29] <antiwire> lamenick: pidgin supports dbus via plugins if you want to do that
[22:29] <antiwire> that's why it is a dep
[22:29] <dive> I think there is an example plugin for dbus
[22:29] <shonudo> guess the feared weather front didn't develop, lamenick
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[22:29] <Kenny_Duehit> Cann0n: sry that took a while.  when you take out a piece of hardware you see all the dust...one things lead to another and my case is nice and clean again :D
[22:29] <antiwire> slak: so what is your point now?
[22:30] <lamenick> thanks :)
[22:30] <Pig_Pen> he is a travelling PAM salesmen
[22:30] <antiwire> slak: was your idea just to come in here and see if Slackware users will loose it if you bring up PAM?
[22:30] <antiwire> because most won't and I have actually created PAM builds for slackware for myself.
[22:30] <antiwire> so keep on stepping
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[22:31] <Kenny_Duehit> Cann0n isn't even here anymore...is he?
[22:31] <slak> antiwire, point is that the fact of centralizing authentication can be very harmfull, like ldap
[22:31] <Kenny_Duehit> his ghost is I think
[22:31] <antiwire> slak: How is a properly implemented single sign on mechanism harmful?
[22:32] <antiwire> Did you know that PAM on a single system doesn't just centralize authentication either?
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[22:32] <antiwire> do you know that PAM modules stack and be setup to auth against nearly anything?
[22:33] <slak> and more pam in my opnion is just reinvented wheel
[22:33] <antiwire> I think you don't understand PAM, to be very blunt about it.
[22:33] <slak> nsswitch can handle authentication by it self
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[22:35] <antiwire> slak: So what exactly are you getting at by coming in here?
[22:35] <BP{k}> antiwire: llort
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[22:35] <slak> just want getting around
[22:35] <BP{k}> like urmom?
[22:35] <slak> with intelligent people
[22:36] <antiwire> just want getting around? what does that mean?
[22:36] <slak> are you british?
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[22:36] <antiwire> slak: how do you suppose shadow will use nsswitch?
[22:37] <antiwire> I'm curious...because it seems like you don't know jack about PAM
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[22:38] <slak> alright can you explain me why slackware doesnt adopt pam?
[22:38] <antiwire> how would you propose shadow, sudo, screen, various biometric hardware pieces, samba, cups and the huge list of other random pieces of software be linked into a central auth system without a common thread like PAM, which already exists?
[22:38] <antiwire> slak: I already told you what I think about that.
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[22:39] <antiwire> (2009-07-09 19:28:20) antiwire: It's an added layer of complexity that, from what I can tell, the Slackware project simply doesn't want to deal with right now....
[22:39] <antiwire> So I did it myself instead.
[22:39] <Pig_Pen> Slack does not make drastic changes i bet PAM is not in slackware for the same reason it was not in earlier releases of slackware
[22:40] <BP{k}> well if you imagine how long it took for slackpkg to become part of Slackware... I wouldn't hold your breath for PAM.
[22:41] <antiwire> slak: policykit is already in the works from what I can tell. The topic of PAM has come up when Pat has been in here too and he also said at one point that he had 'looked at' OpenPAM. that doesn't mean a whole lot but it does suggest that he is not completely against it at some distance point in the future.
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[22:42] <staimeer> anyone know any tool for disaster recovery that is for free?
[22:42] <thrice`> policykit will go in for the 13+1 release
[22:43] <shonudo> staimeer, systemrescueCD
[22:43] <thrice`> well, should.  kde 4.3 needs it
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[22:43] <shonudo> a nice set of tools
[22:44] <RipVanWinkle> R.I.P. Linux (recovery is possible),liveCD might want to look in to it
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[22:44] <antiwire> staimeer: what type of disaster are you talking about?
[22:45] <antiwire> staimeer: I ask because the best disaster recovery tool is a decent backup plan.
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[22:46] <slak> will pam be necessary once samba 4 releases?
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[22:47] <staimeer> antiwire: Tivoli already use as a backup just want something faster
[22:47] <antiwire> slak: Don't you think that question would be better answered if you asked the samba dev team?
[22:49] <ananke> staimeer : your budget allows you to buy tsm, yet you want another free tool? :)
[22:49] <john_dee> i guess there's no flash plugin for 64bit firefox, right?
[22:49] <thrice`> wrong!
[22:50] <john_dee> :)
[22:50] <thrice`> http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/extra/flashplayer-plugin/
[22:50] <john_dee> thrice`, thanks!
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[22:52] <staimeer> ananke: yes, the company do not want to invest in a tool for disaster
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[22:53] <antiwire> staimeer: get that in writing and put it in your safe deposit box
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[22:54] <ananke> staimeer : well, tsm has drm functionality, given you got a license for it. what exact issues do you have with speed?
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[22:56] <staimeer> ananke: I have problem with drive, and allocation problem with the tape delay, so I wanted something faster for a possible loss
[22:57] <ananke> staimeer : introduce a larger disk pool
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[22:57] <slak> wonder if  there is a flash player standalone outthere other than gnash
[22:58] <staimeer> ananke: I have big disks
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[22:58] <snowdonkey> slak: There's flash-player-standalone on slackbuilds.org
[22:59] <slak> snowdonkey, really? what would it be like?
[22:59] <snowdonkey> slak: can't say, haven't used it myself.  But the descriptions seems like what you're looking for.
[23:00] <ananke> staimeer : that doesn't change the validity of my suggestion
[23:00] <snowdonkey> slak: Looks like a repackaging of the adobe flash player.
[23:01] <staimeer> ananke: I'm thinking about the rescue world, have you tried?
[23:01] <ananke> staimeer : never heard of it
[23:01] <slak> snowdonkey, you got it ... im gonna check it out
[23:01] <staimeer> mondo rescue
[23:02] <slak> snowdonkey, thankz
[23:02] <snowdonkey> slak: np, good luck.
[23:05] <ananke> mondo rescue is made by a jerk. i won't use it
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[23:08] <Cann0n_> dial up + porn = worst than death
[23:09] <Cann0n_> might as well recompile qt4 while i wait for this picture to load
[23:10] <Kenny_Duehit> hey Cannon_
[23:10] <Urchlay> heh
[23:11] <Urchlay> in the old days of BBSes it'd take an hour to download a gif file, and all the description you'd get was whatever would fit in the 8 character filename
[23:11] <Kenny_Duehit> Cannon_: I got that serial you asked for.  took time, side tracked by dusting. :)
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[23:12] <Kenny_Duehit> Cann0n_: RE590525013005016  AN8-SLI V1.0
[23:12] <Cann0n_> lol
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[23:14] <Cann0n_> lol Urchlay
[23:14] <agentc0re> Urchlay: hehe, i remember downloading a lot of mp3's that way.
[23:15] <agentc0re> good ol' LORD, Planets and Usurper.
[23:15] <Urchlay> gak, I don't think I could have dealt with mp3s in those days. 300 baud modem, later 1200 baud, much later 9600
[23:16] <agentc0re> i bbs'd with a first at first on a 9600 but when i was downloading those mp3's i had a 14.4k
[23:16] <agentc0re> then later got a 33.6.. which is where it stopped and then finally got cable.  Remember the AT&T @Home service?
[23:17] <Urchlay> yeah, I had that
[23:17] <agentc0re> back in the day when you could have your PC as a public IP and it didn't matter.
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[23:17] <Urchlay> somehow I switched cable ISPs 3 times without ever meaning to
[23:17] <agentc0re> heheh
[23:18] <Urchlay> eh, I'd still have a PC on a public IP, if this were my house (as it is, there's one of those crappy little linksysnetgearsomething routers)
[23:18] <Urchlay> granted, the PC would be running linux + iptables + NAT
[23:19] <agentc0re> At some point i got a router.. but not because of the public ip issue.  so i could hook up more pc's... might have not even been a router at first, probably just a 5 port HUB.  heh.  I didn't even know about linux back in the 90's.
[23:20] <agentc0re> Wish i would have though.
[23:20] <Cann0n_> gah!
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[23:21] <Urchlay> actually I knew about linux and NAT/masquerading before cable or DSL became available in my area, used to run a masquerading box with a modem + wvdial, it'd autodial when a client PC needed it to, and hang up after 10 mins inactivity
[23:21] <Urchlay> and the house was wired up with "blazing fast" 10baseT ethernet :)
[23:22] <agentc0re> NICE!
[23:23] <agentc0re> Hey at least that it can now be used as phone jacks... :P
[23:23] <Urchlay> think that house has been demolished since then :)
[23:23] <agentc0re> heh.
[23:24] <Urchlay> IIRC, I downloaded the old South Park Jesus vs. Santa 5-minute video clip, took something like 3 days
[23:25] <Urchlay> during which I unplugged every regular phone in the house to make damn sure nobody screwed up the download (I knew of no way to resume back then, using netscape 3.0 + windows 95)
[23:25] <agentc0re> Oh gawd.. Ya, i remember waking up to downloading something from the BBS to find out that my grandmother was on the phone and had disconnected my download 5 min before it was finished.  Ya, it was a overnight download..
[23:26] <Cann0n_> lol
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[23:27] <LSD`> heh, every time I tried to run a linux masquerading setup way back when the external modems kept dying forcing us back to ICS on the machine with the WinModem. When we finaly got ADSL we just bought one of those NAT router things because it was easier to just palm it off to a dedicated device
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[23:29] <Urchlay> what made the external modem die?
[23:30] <Cann0n_> i dunno
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[23:30] <Urchlay> mine were always rock-solid (old Hayes or USR modems, even the Atari SX212 was reliable as hell)
[23:30] <Kenny_Duehit> throughput?
[23:30] <Motoko-chan> I always found it interesting when Zoom Telephonics bought Hayes.
[23:30] <danc3> USR Courier V.everything external  FTW
[23:30] <Urchlay> danc3: yep
[23:31] Action: Motoko-chan always liked Zoom modems
[23:31] <danc3> I got one on the USR "Sysop" program, back when I ran a Fidonet (PCBoard) BBS
[23:31] <Urchlay> The last 56K modem I owned was a Zoom... I guess it worked fine, I just hated the plastic case (the old Hayes metal cases looked so much nicer)
[23:31] <danc3> best piece of hardware I ever owned
[23:31] <Urchlay> I remember Fidonet
[23:32] <Motoko-chan> I have an old Courier V.everything.
[23:32] <danc3> Fido was the leading edge, not so long ago
[23:32] <Motoko-chan> I also have some old Sportsters.
[23:32] <Urchlay> that was during the "dammit, I'm still using an Atari and all these damn boards keep sending ANSI codes at me!" stage
[23:32] <danc3> Fido basically died around 1996-7
[23:32] <LSD`> Urchlay: no idea, after a while they'd just die (or become next to useless). The obvious culprit is surges on the line but that probably would have killed the WinModem as well.
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[23:33] <Urchlay> LSD`: I'd expect anything that'd kill an external modem to not only kill an internal modem, but possibly the motherboard it's plugged into as well... *shrug*
[23:33] <danc3> anybody remember "QWK" packets used for offline mail reading  (my fav app was "SLMR")
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[23:33] <Urchlay> danc3: yeah, I used SLMR
[23:33] <danc3> those were the good ole days
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[23:34] <Urchlay> wonder if I still have my collection of 9 zillion stupid taglines
[23:34] <danc3> heh... I know I have mine
[23:34] <Urchlay> eh, to me, those weren't the good old days, they were the later, still halfway decent days
[23:34] <danc3> yeah, true
[23:35] <danc3> near the end, actually, before the friggin internet took over the world
[23:35] <Urchlay> the good old days were when things happened like me getting my first floppy drive (finally, no more frigging cassette tapes for program storage!)
[23:35] <danc3> ack
[23:35] <Urchlay> or my first modem (300 baud, but it was like stepping onto the set of the movie War Games to me)
[23:36] <danc3> yeah.  I started at 1200 baud
[23:36] <Dominian> remember "flex" technology?
[23:36] <Dominian> and v.92 or whatever the hell it was
[23:36] <danc3> on a Kaypro PC, no hard drive, dual 360K floppies, 256K memory, and a monochrome monitor
[23:36] <Urchlay> I finally got to move up to 1200 baud when my friend the rich kid managed to talk his parents into upgrading him to 2400
[23:37] <Dominian> heh
[23:37] <Dominian> I reember when 1200baud was the shiznit..
[23:37] <Urchlay> hell yeah
[23:37] <danc3> yeah, there were two competing standards there for a while with modems, v.92flex and something else
[23:37] <Urchlay> "Whoa, the text is almost coming in faster than I can read it!"
[23:37] <danc3> LOL
[23:37] <danc3> seriously, that was when computing was actually exciting
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[23:38] <Urchlay> I also remember the god-like feeling I got sitting at the console of a friend's BBS, watching everything users did
[23:38] <danc3> yes!
[23:38] <Dominian> heh
[23:38] <Dominian> I still remember winnuke...
[23:38] <Dominian> be on a bbs.. kid get a 'tude
[23:38] <agentc0re> winnuke ftw!
[23:38] <Dominian> winnuke!
[23:38] <Dominian> I also remember playing Quake on dialup...
[23:38] <Dominian> against these bastard college kids on T1s
[23:38] <Urchlay> I only sort-of remember winnuke. Some kinda winsock-killer packet or something?
[23:38] <agentc0re> i remember getting friends IP's from icq, back when it showed them, and nuking the crap outa them.
[23:38] <Dominian> when T1s were like.. 1000s of dollars
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[23:39] <Dominian> Urchlay: oh yeah
[23:39] <Dominian> Urchlay: overflowed the tcp stack.. crashed it.. only way to get working again was a reboot
[23:39] <agentc0re> remember you could use it to send a message too.
[23:39] <danc3> remember BBS door games?  One in particular was called "L.O.R.D." I think... some kind of turn-based game that you had to log in to every day and try to get stronger.
[23:39] <Urchlay> winnuke was right near the end of my time using windows I think
[23:39] <Dominian> and all it really was was a malformed ICMP packet
[23:40] <danc3> Legend Of the Red Dragon
[23:40] <agentc0re> danc3: Yup.  hehe i mentioned that earlier. :D
[23:40] <Urchlay> yeah, LORD. Also Trade Wars was fun.
[23:40] <danc3> heh
[23:40] <danc3> damn that shit was fun
[23:40] <agentc0re> http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/doorgame.htm
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[23:41] <danc3> cool.  I remember "VGA Planets" too
[23:44] <agentc0re> Okay, i'm going to throw up a BBS for fun now.
[23:44] <Urchlay> using what software? the old stuff, maybe running on dosbox or something?
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[23:44] <Urchlay> (or you have a stash of ancient PCs too?)
[23:45] <agentc0re> nope, i'll make it ssh.  wont have the slow connect feel but all the same bbs intro feel and door games.. etc.
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[23:46] <danc3> DOS?
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[23:46] <agentc0re> nope, i'll put it on my slackware box.
[23:46] <agentc0re> You'll see :D
[23:46] <danc3> kk
[23:47] Action: danc3 was once a DOS freakin wizard
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[23:51] <Motoko-chan> I had MS-DOS 6.22 working on a Packard Bell XT.
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[23:53] <macavity> goooood moooooorning vietnam!
[23:53] <danc3> I started with MSDOS v2.11
[23:53] <fire|bird> hey macavity, how are you?
[23:53] <Urchlay> I won a $50 bet once by getting an old 286 with DOS on the internet
[23:54] <danc3> heh
[23:54] <Urchlay> just lynx, a telnet client, and an IRC client
[23:54] <Motoko-chan> I started with 3.20
[23:55] <LSD`> I tried booting DOS on my MacBook once for SnG. It got further than I thought it would, gotta love x86. Even after all these years it still boils down to the 8086.
[23:55] <macavity> fire|bird: absolutely fabulous baby!.. and you?
[23:55] <danc3> Here's an excellent site for getting a DOS boot disk if you ever need one:  http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
[23:55] <fire|bird> macavity: doing excellent, thanks. :)
[23:56] <Urchlay> I used to dream of having one of these: http://www.atarimagazines.com/v2n4/productreviews.html
[23:56] <macavity> danc3: it's the likelihood of the "if you ever need one" that i question :P
[23:56] <danc3> macavity: bios updates sometimes need one
[23:56] <macavity> freedos works fine for that
[23:57] <danc3> true enough
[23:57] <macavity> or Celdera OpenDOS
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[23:57] <macavity> or boot the machine in single usermode and use dosbox
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[23:57] <Urchlay> can dosbox really flash the real BIOS?
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[23:58] <macavity> if you run is at root i *belive* it can
[23:58] <Urchlay> neat
[23:58] <LSD`> I wouldn't think so, DOSBox emulates all its hardware internally
[23:58] <Urchlay> guess that's what /dev/nvram support is for
[23:58] <macavity> verify it before relying on it.. i have it from a guy who is sometimes unreliable
[23:58] <Urchlay> heh
[23:58] <macavity> oh well.. ill take LSD`s word over jacks any time
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[23:59] <macavity> btw, what are the prospects of flashing the bios straight for GNU/Linux?
[23:59] <Urchlay> my gut feeling is that dosbox can't update the real firmware, but then the dosbox devs might have specifically included support for that (doing all the extra work needed...)
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