[00:00] nothing happened? [00:00] do i have to have the usb stick mounted? [00:01] if it works, isohybrid doesnt produce any putput. try dd'ing it now [00:01] usb has to be unmounted [00:01] eg dd iso /dev/sdb (and destroy all data on it) [00:01] not /dev/sdb1 [00:02] oh ok [00:02] you can afterwards create an additional partition to use, if theres any space left [00:02] grazymax (~grazymax@host213-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:02] sweet [00:04] obnauticus (~obnauticu@c-24-22-110-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:04] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:04] I forgot the command using mplayer to watch tv :P [00:05] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:05] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:05] pilipo: internet tv or a tv tuner? [00:06] MLanden, tv tuner... [00:08] david (~david@c-76-123-145-214.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Nick change: david -> Guest94391 [00:09] pilipo: using v4l, mplayer -tv driver=v4l:width=640:height=480:outfmt=i420 -vc rawi420 -vo xv tv:// http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/tv-input.html check out the examples for more info [00:10] _misfit_ (~phuk@cpe-173-095-175-246.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:12] pilipo: what's the make of the tv tuner? [00:12] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [00:13] <_misfit_> 2/ [00:13] <_misfit_> oops [00:14] Guest94391 (~david@c-76-123-145-214.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:14] MLanden, i only got green screen... [00:16] grazymax (~grazymax@host124-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [00:18] pilipo: try v4l2 in place of v4l [00:19] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:19] auro (~auro@unaffiliated/auro) left irc: Quit: no time for computer stuff today :( [00:20] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:21] MLanden, cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format [00:22] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:22] pilipo: ok...try LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so mplayer tv:// -tv [00:22] driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:fps=25:device=/dev/video0 -vo xv [00:23] sorry*.. LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:fps=25:device=/dev/video0 -vo xv [00:23] oltrebob (~oltrebob@209.162.43.209) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] sbs` (~sbs@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:26] oltrebob (~oltrebob@209.162.43.209) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:28] MLanden, still no picture... [00:28] grazymax (~grazymax@host124-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:28] pilipo: what is make of the tv tuner? [00:29] MLanden, still got green screen [00:32] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:33] can someone try this: import -window root -virtual-pixel Constant test.png [00:33] pilipo: usb tv card,pci tv card? [00:35] the option '-virtual-pixel' exists but it returns: "import: unrecognized option `-virtual-pixel' @ error/import.c/ImportImageCommand/1272." [00:35] powtrix: get an unrecognized option error as well [00:36] so a bug [00:36] my snapshoot script worked time ago.. [00:36] Thanks [00:36] powtrix: what about Edge,Mirror or Tile for virtual-pixel ? [00:37] MLanden, im using pci tv card [00:37] usually when you have hyphenated options, you use double dashes [00:37] have you tried if --virual-pixel Constant, works? [00:38] ah -- worked [00:38] mancha: good eye...didn't catch that [00:38] well help says - ;) [00:38] ah, typo in the manpage i guess. [00:40] this options worked with - when I wrote my snapshoot.sh (~2 y ago). so they changed the code, -- [00:40] let me try [00:41] pilipo: in console go to root and type lspci -vv | grep -i TV [00:42] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [00:42] wharncliffe (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:42] grazymax (~grazymax@host135-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:43] powtrix, seems like a bug then [00:43] long options often use -- and flags -, this is why i suggested it.. [00:43] but if it is not consistent then it is a bug [00:43] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) joined ##slackware. [00:44] ok, so that didn't work to well lol [00:44] got a "isolinux.bin not found" error [00:45] MLanden, http://pastebin.com/hW3bdUbP [00:45] procyonlabs (~randy@pool-173-69-175-97.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm outta heeere... [00:45] Necos: your iso is wrong [00:46] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:47] <_misfit_> this guy is telling me that you can upgrade glibc versions like 2.9 -> 2.10 without upgrading any packages [00:47] <_misfit_> i was under the impression that you had to recompile against a newer glibc [00:47] <_misfit_> because of possible compile time options [00:47] Necos: heres my script. you can adjust it to your needs http://pastebin.com/wDHdy5rS .it isoybrid's the iso at the end [00:48] notice '-b isolinux/isolinux.bin \ [00:48] necos, why dont you pxe boot and mount local nfs ? [00:48] because i don't have a local nfs server? [00:48] set one up sweetheart! [00:48] powtrix, i think the -- is fail [00:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-99-199-4.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] as if i have 2 computers to do that with :P [00:50] bah [00:50] i have more computers than pubic hair [00:50] with -- returns 2 or 3 snaps here [00:50] damn [00:50] remember jeev, i'm still in princeton :P [00:50] only have my laptop [00:50] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:50] pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft ok brb [00:51] powtrix, seems the import code doesn't support virtual-pixel, it should not be an option [00:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [00:53] pilipo: ok...in dmesg, does it see as BT8xx? [00:53] grazymax (~grazymax@host135-130-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:53] _misfit_: who is "this guy" ? [00:53] MLanden, bt878 [00:53] well, man says: -virtual-pixel method = Constant, Edge, Mirror, or Tile [00:53] Theoretically, you *can* upgrade libc like that without any recompiles, but as soon as you *do* compile something, all bets are off wrt what you compiled. [00:54] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:54] powtrix i know what the manpage says, i am telling you what the code says :) [00:54] ah [00:55] powtrix, so they might have deprecated the code and left the "option" there? [00:55] can you use "blurs" on import? cause that is what -virtual-pixel applies to [00:56] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:56] blurs? [00:59] yep, powtrix, it is gone from new imagemagicks....so if it was ever there, they forgot to drop the option from the manpage and help [01:00] probably [01:01] pilipo: ok.. http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_Pro it's either card=11 or card=39 [01:02] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:02] asarch (~asarch@189.188.158.185) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:06] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.92.154) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:06] powtrix i am not having luck finding if in fact this code ever existed for import. [01:06] grazymax (~grazymax@host37-155-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:06] do you remember when you used it and had it work? i.e. what slackware version? 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[01:18] well, i think 12.2 [01:18] pinnacle's always been crap [01:18] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:18] or slamd64 12.2 [01:18] sorry to be so harsh, but all i've had is bad experiences with pinnacle hardware [01:18] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] mancha: no feelings lost...they were PITA and with weak signals from the antennae [01:21] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:21] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:23] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) joined ##slackware. [01:25] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:49] hi [02:49] Hey [02:49] hey [02:49] heya [02:50] MLanden: you wouldn't believe what I did [02:50] say in the huge kernel Pat has compiled in USB device filesystem (DEPRECATED) & USB device class-devices (DEPRECATED), since they are both deprecated, not sure why they are in there. Anything Slack wants them for? [02:50] fatalnix: try me..>:) [02:50] sec [02:50] Jennifur (~Jen@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Well, I'm getting tired so I dont remember if I mentioned it already but about 10 minutes ago go or 20 now probably I did the most stupid rediculous program in the world: [02:52] http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7199/0xff.jpg [02:52] Got kinda bored. [02:53] fatalnix, what is SeaBios? [02:54] it's like chicken of the sea [02:54] Ahh, that's right. [02:54] but with less mercury [02:54] no its the bios used by KVM I guess, which is weird because qemu always used bochs all I knew [02:55] but yeh I was like, I wonder if I can use 0xFF instead of 0 for string termination.. heheh [02:55] fatalnix: better in speed? [02:56] no it's useless [02:56] its faster to do 0 than 0xFF [02:56] I think [02:56] I'm not sure, is or faster than cmp? [02:56] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:57] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:57] Action: slava_dp o/ [02:57] heya,slava_dp [02:58] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.154) joined ##slackware. [02:58] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("People living deeply have no fear of death."). [02:59] I think or al, al takes 2/7ths of a clock cycle it says here.. which is strange and that cmp al, 0xFF takes 2 clock cycles [02:59] 2/6 [02:59] so if that's true, \0 is much faster [03:01] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:01] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-70-164.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:02] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) joined ##slackware. [03:03] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:03] bavbat (~me@41-134-20-161.dsl.mweb.co.za) joined ##slackware. [03:08] Slack has [*] Disable heap randomization compiled in, isn't it better not to disable it? [03:09] beats me. [03:10] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:11] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:11] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:12] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Xgates, compatibility with older apps I would guess. Pat should know better. [03:12] heap randomization is to help guard against attacks that try to overflow the heap [03:13] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Morn [03:13] alisonken1noc: able to resolve the 3d issue with that Dell studio? [03:13] Nrom [03:14] ahhh I guess it's a security measure for exploits against it ic now... [03:14] MLanden: upgraded to robbie's xorg-1.8 - seems to be doing ok now [03:14] alisonken1noc: awesome [03:14] MLanden, it's working now [03:15] pilipo: good to hear [03:17] is there a way to monitor an mdadm RAID-1 setup? so that when a disk fails, I got some notification? [03:20] slava_dp: yes, yes there is [03:20] let me check what I use [03:20] ok boys and girls Xgates is thinking which to go with? [03:20] Xgates, go with what Pat uses. [03:20] ---> Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) or Voluntary Kernel Preemption (Desktop) [03:20] no this :) [03:20] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:20] Ahh. do you have >1 core? [03:20] I was always told that low-latency performed better even on a desktop workstation [03:21] 1 core [03:21] well, pick the preemptible option [03:21] in any case [03:21] for a desktop :) [03:22] slava_dp: man mdadm, MONITOR MODE. you can run it as a daemon [03:22] it can execute or mail or both [03:22] yeah I've always used Preemptible Kernel, just didn't know with newer kernels since this all started if anything changed in regards to Voluntary Kernel Preemption [03:23] Xgates, see this patch by con kolivas, to find out why. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/ck/patches/2.6/2.6.34/2.6.34-ck1/patches/preempt-desktop-tune.patch [03:23] alisonken1noc: lol...saw this one on a blog site...uses OpenGL 2.0 http://code.google.com/p/pink-pony/ trust,it is super sugary(awful) but might be useful for testing [03:23] adaptr, thanks, will look at it [03:24] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:24] Xgates, if you had >1 cores, I'd strongly suggest BFS. [03:24] but on 1 core it's indifferent. [03:24] slava_dp: it's no more than kicking /sbin/mdadm --monitor --pid-file foo --daemonise into rc.local [03:24] BFS? [03:24] MLanden: I remember seeing an article about games with that in int [03:24] in it [03:25] Xgates, http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt [03:25] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:25] might have been raiden's realm...that's where I heard of it [03:25] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:25] I used the patch in the beginning by con kolivas before it was in the kernel [03:25] so what's that patch you showing me now for? [03:26] bfs won't be in the kernel [03:26] it's an alternative scheduler which improves responsiveness on desktopsl. [03:26] greater parallelisation, etc. [03:26] I use it on two boxen. [03:27] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] yeah I know bfs is not in the kernel but what was with the preempt-desktop-tune.patch you showed me? [03:28] Orlov (~Richard@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:28] is this some tuneup to Preemptible that's already in there to make it better? [03:29] ok, con argues that voluntary preemption does nothing good, and people should be using full preemption. that is all. [03:30] so what's that patch suppose to do? [03:30] damn. [03:30] old apple o/s and windows used to use voluntary preemption - not a good way to go [03:31] Xgates, can you not read patches? it just changes the description for the voluntary kernel option, that's what it does. I showed it to you just to point out Con's opinion on this. [03:31] ok sorry I didn't know there was something called full preemption... [03:32] ok [03:32] hey you using bfs? [03:32] I use it on two boxen. [03:32] what do you think of it? [03:32] it's better. [03:32] ahhh my bad [03:33] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [03:33] but on 1 core it's indifferent. [03:33] that I remember you saying ;p [03:33] is there an environment variable to tell make to use "-j4" all the time? :3 [03:34] fhobia, echo 'export MAKEFLAGS="-j4"' >> /etc/profile [03:34] so I'll just stick to Preemptible Kernel since I have 1 core [03:34] or >> /etc/sbopkg.conf [03:34] oh, slava_dp ftw [03:35] heh [03:36] Orlov (~Richard@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:37] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:37] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [03:39] niiiice all four cores 100% [03:39] fhobia, if you are using the standard scheduler, make it -j6. [03:40] o.o ok [03:40] it's usually not able to fully load the cores. 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[03:49] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:49] I'm trying to check if there are some particular errors because if I try to virtualboxize the partition on Windows it shows lines of "9" [03:50] so you're trying to load the slackware partition in virtualbox? [03:50] is lilo written to the partition? [03:51] yes, before to have reinstalled slackware it was ok.... no, lilo is in the MBR [03:51] so I can also load window... [03:51] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:51] write lilo to the partition header, then you will be able to load it. [03:51] you can have it in both places. [03:52] ah ok [03:52] lemme try [03:52] I'll back later [03:52] Lurzino (Luigino@host80-52-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [03:52] dios_mio (test@88.243.192.138) left irc: Quit: Internet Relax Chat [03:59] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [04:01] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:04] Is there a name for the string that begins quoted text in email replies? Like Name on 2010-07-09 wrote:" [04:04] ? [04:04] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [04:07] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Nevermind [04:08] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [04:12] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:13] Lurzino (Luigino@host80-52-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:13] hello again [04:14] Action: slava_dp hides [04:14] tried to install Lilo also in the SuperBlock of the partition and recreated the steps in virtualbox on Windows but still I see lines of "9" once I start it.... [04:15] the weird thing is if I boot the PC itself, lilo goes ok and loads windows or linux ok [04:15] how did you write lilo to the partition? [04:16] slava_dp from the setup configuring the system and writing in the SuperBlock of the partition [04:16] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.48.159) joined ##slackware. [04:16] the superblock on which partition? [04:16] >.< [04:16] s/on/of/ [04:16] the partition where it's installed linux [04:17] as slava_dp said I could have lilo in both places, mbr and superblock of the partition [04:17] yeah, as long as the partition is not xfs [04:17] I thought you had installed on the superblock of the windows partition which would have been horrible [04:18] no... the partition is formatted with ext3 [04:18] but I think that when I did that with vbox, I used the whole disk and not a single partition because of that (boot problems) [04:18] you have to make sure that partitions do not get mounted twice however, this is *very* important [04:19] nono they are partitions indipendets even in same hard disk but windows doesn't see linux partition and viceversa [04:19] s/indipendets/indipendeNts [04:20] Lurzino: independent [04:20] anyway adrien you say I should remove -partitions 1 from the VBoxManage command when creating vmdk? [04:20] adaptr, I've set up mdadm monitoring, works great =) [04:20] (ok Zordrak just I forgot that N hehe) [04:20] Lurzino: and replaced an e for an i [04:21] ah right [04:21] didn't see I wrote I instead of E [04:21] thanks eheh [04:21] anyway I go try to recreate vmdk for the whole disk and not the partition [04:22] and lets see [04:22] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [04:23] you're booting to runlevel 3 or 4? I have to insist on that: partitions must not be mounted twice, once by linux and once by windows which can happen if linux mounts ntfs or fat partitions [04:23] (ntfs should have a lock, dunno about fat) [04:23] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:24] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:25] runlevel..... uh I don't remember if 3 or 4... [04:26] anyway adrien as I said, on fstab I didn't even added windows partition [04:26] s/on/in+ [04:26] graphical or console? [04:26] console console [04:26] automount in kde would probably still see the partitions [04:26] ok [04:27] then if I would go on xfce I just do manually startxfce4 and so on [04:27] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:28] jhw (~jhw@p5798290A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:32] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:33] YES [04:33] now it works! [04:33] I was dumb! I thought it was -partitions 1 to create the vmdk looking at disk management [04:33] but when I looked with listpartitions of VBoxManage it was 2! [04:34] what a dumb I am hehe [04:34] thanks anyway [04:34] don't call yourself dumb. [04:34] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:34] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:34] ehehe slava_dp right but for those little stupid mistakes... :P [04:35] don't we all do mistakes. [04:35] =) [04:35] right, man :) [04:38] Action: adrien is the king of stupid mistakes [04:39] like yesterday's: zcat $file | patch --verbose -p1 | exit 1, anyone sees the error? "$file" was the right name [04:39] yeah... "use more quotes" is the rule of thumb [04:39] | or || [04:39] ahh, || exit 1 lol [04:40] :P [04:40] well, that happens [04:40] exactly ='( [04:40] adrien, so, did it work? :-D [04:41] it doesn't patch anything nor exits ;-) [04:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.17) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:48] well.... now time for a coffee break [04:48] later :) [04:48] have a nice one [04:49] slava_dp i'll dccsend you an original italian cappucino if you want ;-) [04:50] Action: slava_dp smells it already :) [04:50] although I don't drink much coffee (if at all), but sometimes I do. [04:51] ah :-) here I'm in Italy and if you'd get a real cappucino you'd be very satisfied I bet :P [04:52] I will come visit Italy some time. not this year though. [04:57] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [05:06] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7DAE7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:15] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:21] window kill [05:21] pension (bb@2001:470:fc0a::1) left ##slackware ("bye"). [05:27] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.48.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:31] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-159-34-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:35] edthix (~ed@175.144.230.119) joined ##slackware. [05:37] Jennifur (~Jen@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Slackware is for anyone willing to learn [05:38] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:45] morning all o/ [05:47] Morning [05:47] morning [05:47] morning phrag [05:49] back :) [05:49] Action: Lurzino ddces to slava_dp an italian Cappucino :) [05:50] s/ddc/dcc/ [05:50] Zordrak right! dcces :D [05:50] s/dcces/DCCs/ [05:51] uhm to third person isn't with final "es"? [05:51] No. [05:51] ah ok [05:51] It's pluralisation of an acronym. [05:51] right, I forgot that [05:57] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.248.200.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [06:06] =) [06:09] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:10] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:13] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.43.226) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Awesome(!) complete hard lockup of my desktop slackware box [06:19] :( [06:19] (sound in a 1/4s loop) [06:19] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:20] fingers crossed for reisub [06:20] nope :( [06:20] what is reisub [06:20] >.< [06:20] something with reiserfs? [06:20] google it [06:20] i do not have a browser [06:21] yes you do [06:21] hint: sysreq magic [06:21] i am right now in clonezilla ssh:ing into another box while some hard disks are cloning [06:21] lynx is always an option [06:21] links http://www.google.com/search?q=reisub [06:22] mrcarrot: consider it a safe emergency reboot [06:22] read up on the details later [06:22] heh, cute. found this [06:22] R-E-I-S-U-B: Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken [06:22] :) [06:22] alphageek: do you have an alpha computer :) [06:23] nope [06:23] i have one at home... but it starts to be way too slow [06:23] shith this does not look good [06:23] only 166 mhz [06:24] most adsl routers are more fast [06:24] gotta go [06:24] see ya'll later [06:25] Lurzino (Luigino@host80-52-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [06:25] R-E-I-S-U-B, interesting [06:26] m3tti (~m3tti@p57B7DAE7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:28] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:29] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:29] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [06:31] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:38] if my EIDE disk develops bad sectors would low-leveling it help? or is it better to just toss such a disk? btw, it's out of warranty. [06:40] heh, I can't stand IDE these days, but only you can decide what is worth your trouble. [06:41] from the way I understand things, drives have reserved sectors used to remap the bad ones on the fly. when all the reserved are used up then you start seeing them on the user-accessible end [06:42] aka: roundabout way of saying that you'll likely see more bad sectors pop up at random [06:42] i've heard that they automaticly flag new bad sectors and if one becomes visible it's going bad...is this true? [06:42] Action: alphageek is, however, open for correction [06:42] dunno [06:43] it's a 120 so it is a nice size [06:44] FSVO "nice" when you can get 2TB SATA for ~US$90 ... [06:44] good price [06:45] i paid ~$120 for a 1TB sata last year [06:46] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:46] Personally, I no longer fight with old/dying hardware. That might change if/when I am in financial straits. [06:46] brainvision (~brainvisi@host221-158-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:47] rob0: well said [06:47] hi everybody! [06:47] I need some help with sendmail configuration file.. [06:47] I have to make changes on /etc/sendamil/sendmail.cf.. [06:48] but I read that I need to modify the original source .mc file and than recompile it [06:48] right? [06:48] just edit the cf [06:48] /bin/ls: cannot access /etc/sendmail/: No such file or directory [06:48] LOL [06:48] just the cf?? [06:48] sendamil too [06:49] sorry rob0 [06:49] What version of Slackware is this? [06:49] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:49] /etc/mail/sendmail.cf [06:49] :) [06:49] Zordrak: are you sure? [06:49] I read that.. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-sendmail-as-a-smart-host/ [06:50] Or, not Slackware at all? [06:50] sorry? [06:51] what did you mean rob0 ? [06:51] that website has the worst English grammar ever [06:51] LOL [06:51] :D :D :D [06:52] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:52] was curious, you did not answer < rob0> What version of Slackware is this? [06:52] so bad i was confused as to what it was you were doing until i read it [06:52] mine is 13.1 [06:52] but the cf file is in /etc/mail/sendamail.cf [06:52] but the cf file is in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf [06:52] /etc/mail/sendmail.cf line 96 [06:53] just add the FQDN to the line [06:53] sendmail.cf to add a smarthost is trivial. The "right" way is to edit the mc and recompile it, but yes, Dsyour.smarthost [06:53] DS [06:54] DS right sorry [06:54] mmm.. [06:54] so you are saying two diffrent things.. [06:54] different* [06:54] Action: rob0 is a Postfix admin anyway. [06:54] different? [06:55] but anyway I need to add my smtp server.. in that file [06:55] WildWizard: you are saying to edit the cf file [06:55] yes [06:55] rob0: said to edit the source mc [06:55] and than recompile it to obtain a new sendmail.cf file [06:56] the correct way is to edit the mc but you would have to find it first, the easy way is just edit the cf file [06:56] are 2 different ways.. [06:56] um, you did not understand the subtle meaning of "to add a smarthost is trivial." I would edit the /etc/mail/sendmail.cf [06:56] /usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf [06:56] the mc file is there.. [06:56] there are 4 different mc files.. [06:56] "right" in "" meant that I didn't consider it the best choice. [06:57] so no, we are saying the same thing. [06:57] brainvision: just stop. recompile from mc is just so you can edit something that looks easier and then turn it into the cf sendmail reads. since the change doesnt require that it looks pretty.. just change the cf [06:57] ok [06:57] but where I have to add my smtp serrver? [06:57] server? [06:57] line 96 [06:57] in line 96?? [06:57] the one that starts with DS [06:57] sure? [06:57] 10:50 < WildWizard> /etc/mail/sendmail.cf line 96 [06:57] :) [06:57] jesus h. christ [06:58] yes I know rob0 [06:58] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:58] but I want to be sure :D :D [06:58] W JESUS!! [06:58] DSa.working.smtp.server.from.my.isp.com [06:58] ok WildWizard [06:58] don't blame please! [06:58] I wanted only be really sure! [06:59] you know I'm trying to solve the problem since 3 hours [06:59] and I read various ways to do it [06:59] and I'm a little bit confused by all people who sayd their point of view!! [07:01] brainvision: How many people do you need. You've had at least three people here all tell you the exact same thing. Stop chuntering and go change it. [07:02] I'm doing it.. but I need people who writes down shit on their blogs!! [07:02] I meant* [07:02] brainvision: Oh i SEE... it has to be on a blog or it's not real advice... [07:03] :D [07:03] heh [07:04] ok now restart sendmail.. [07:04] NO DON'T! It,s not on a blog!!! [07:04] LOL [07:05] Zordrak: you misunderstood me! [07:05] You misunderstood yourself. [07:05] and you know that! ;) [07:05] impossible [07:05] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.43.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:05] brainvision: leave it alone at the LOL :) [07:05] I don't pay attention to myself [07:06] ..or anyone else. [07:06] Zordrak: I see you've been traumatized by blogs in your childhood, maybe something to do with your relationship with your mother, do you want to talk about it? sit on that sofa (I only take 40 pounds per hour) [07:06] ;-) [07:06] I'm paying attention to you! [07:06] :D :D :D D:D :D [07:06] tha's freud! [07:08] What's a dead dick-obsessed austrian got to do with it? [07:09] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:12] ok friends, another little question.. [07:13] I have the update.db work in the cron.daily that run at the 4:40 AM.. [07:13] you knopw, at that time usually I'm sleeping.. :) [07:14] but when I start slackware cron will run the lost works? [07:14] or do I need to set cron.daily at the morning? [07:14] the database of slocate is always old!! [07:15] You turn off the machine at night, and you are asking if the cron jobs will run? No. [07:15] as root, crontab -e [07:15] this is going back about 10 years, but redhat used to ship with a version of cron that would 'catch up' on missed jobs [07:15] so it will not run the lost work.. [07:15] ok.. [07:15] there's a big downside to this, though [07:15] or look at anacron to replace Slackware's Dillon cron [07:15] :) [07:15] no no I'll make it run at 09:00 AM.. [07:16] or keep it up as i do: uptime: 06:31:25 up 47 days, 16:00, 25 users, [07:16] that's the easy thing to do, go make breakfast while updatedb chugs along. [07:17] brainvision, I would like eggs and sausage please. [07:17] :D [07:17] you are all mad! [07:17] heh [07:17] rob0: oooorrr.. he can stop being lazy and learn how to use GNU find appropropriately in order to get what he wants faster [07:17] LOL [07:17] one simple approach would be to set up a script in cron.hourly that checks if the slocate db was updated 'today'. if it hasn't been, do so [07:17] bacon is an acceptable substitute [07:18] alisonken1noc: push button & receive? [07:18] but it's more complicate [07:18] KISS [07:18] or not?? [07:18] brainvision: Why don't you just hire a SysAdmin. [07:18] darn, my bacon printer is broke [07:19] the cleanest thing to do is set cron to run at a time that my notebook is on in a 90% [07:19] soryy.. Zordrak [07:19] brainvision: just do it during startup [07:19] hire?? [07:19] yes it's a solution.. [07:20] ah ok now I understand the meaning of hire.. :) [07:20] it means pay for with slugs [07:21] why I must pay when I can ask here?? [07:21] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [07:21] if [ $(date +%F) != $(date +%F -r /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db) ] ; then [07:21] brainvision: because there is no guarantee that somebody here will answer [07:21] # process stuff as it would otherwise be done normally [07:21] fi [07:21] ^ dead simple & pretty much foolproof. maybe [07:22] hey guys [07:22] there is a flaw, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the student. it's subtle [07:22] ok man.. [07:23] I'm leaving for now.. [07:23] hint: 7 minutes [07:23] edthix (ed@175.144.230.119) left ##slackware. [07:23] heh [07:23] 7 minutes huh? [07:23] say I use pcmanfm as a file manger in OpenBox when I plug a usb drive in it automounts and works fine and it has two partitions one fat32 and ntfs, I can write to the fat but I can't write to the ntfs and I have ntfs-3g installed [07:23] I go to lunch [07:23] thabnk you everyboy men!! [07:23] see you later! [07:24] keep reading, brainvision [07:24] Xgates: check the udev rules for mounting ntfs partitions - may be set to default ro due to original ntfs issues [07:24] and all will be solved [07:26] what in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ? [07:26] I don't have anything in there for ntfs [07:26] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wrfmqvowpvjexevc) joined ##slackware. [07:26] see if there's something in fstab for ntfs [07:27] ime ntfs is always ro by default, even with ntfs-3g.. and even then if there's a hiberfile it wont mount at all [07:28] I have this because I dual boot: [07:28] /dev/sda2 /mnt/c ntfs defaults 1 0 [07:28] that's all [07:29] change ntfs to ntfs-3g and change defaults to rw [07:29] thatll give you rw on /mnt/c [07:29] as for plugging stuff in.. it should be a udev sitchation [07:29] yeah but how does that affect a USB drive? [07:30] asarch (~asarch@187.132.139.75) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:30] I need rw for the USB not the C drive in Windows [07:30] in fact.. thats not even udev.. that's hal surely [07:30] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:31] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [07:31] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [07:32] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] well I compiled pcmanfm --enable-hal so it has the support [07:34] so how do you change ntfs-3g to rw? [07:34] asarch (~asarch@187.132.139.75) left irc: Client Quit [07:35] ntfs-3g is rw by default [07:35] adrien: he's not using slackwre [07:35] but if you use 'mount', it uses ntfs, not ntfs-3g: you have to use 'ntfs-3g' or 'mount -t ntfs-3g' [07:35] ah [07:35] well how come I can't write to a ntfs partition on a usb drive then? [07:37] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:38] I'm plugging the usb drive in and then looking at it in the pcmanfm file manger [07:39] also once I access the drive and then try to go to the term and write something to it at the CLI I can't do it there also [07:39] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.211) joined ##slackware. [07:40] if you have a usb drive automont from a filemanager why can you then write to it like that? [07:40] why can't... [07:40] what's the output of "mount"? [07:41] sorry what you want me to do with mount run/check it how? [07:41] "mount /" and see what get's returned [07:42] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:42] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [07:42] or mount -t ntfs-3g / / [07:43] -o rw [07:44] or mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw / / [07:44] ok [07:45] that works fine [07:46] but now how do I get it to work when I just plug it in and it automounts in the filemanger? [07:46] unless there's a problem with the filemanger [07:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-99-199-4.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:48] although its for Arch.. this should provide you with useful info: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HAL [07:48] lots of info about device automounting, perms, hacks etc [07:49] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [07:49] /etc/fstab needs this line, no? none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 [07:49] Zordrak: well this is what it says: [07:49] Upon installing NTFS-3G, a HAL policy file will be created at /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor. This will use ntfs-3g for all NTFS volumes. Simply restart HAL, and NTFS volumes should be writeable. [07:50] ahh t0f do we need that for usb? [07:50] hmmm [07:50] no [07:50] Xgates: not sure, that's why i'm asking [07:50] Zordrak: no what the fstab entry? [07:50] unless that file specifies device - it only looks at partition type and what to do when it sees that partition type - device independent [07:51] no to the fstab entry. See line 297 of rc.S [07:51] k [07:52] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:54] ok ic [07:54] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-159-34-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [07:55] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:56] so what so I need then a rule for hal? [07:56] so/do I... [07:56] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [07:56] *shrug* [07:57] Xgates, slackware would mount it the right way. [07:57] well actually if the filemanger supports hal then it should work [07:57] I forgot how to I stop and start hal> [07:57] ? [07:57] let me restart it and see [07:57] rc.hal [07:57] rc.hald [07:58] but you need to restart more than that [07:58] sorry - /etc/rc.d/rc.hald stop [07:58] there's only rc.hald [07:59] there's also udev [07:59] or udevd [07:59] ok [07:59] and rc.messagebus [07:59] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [08:00] ahhh brb thanks [08:00] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [08:00] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:02] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] mac- (mac@194.176.102.39) joined ##slackware. [08:04] archcezar (1000@age191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:05] archcezar (1000@afe106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:06] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:08] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [08:09] ok here's a question you use XFce in Slack and open Thunar and plug in your usb drive are you then after it automounts be able to write to the ntfs partition? [08:09] mac- (mac@194.176.102.39) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:09] plug it in and see [08:09] I don't use Xfce that's why I'm asking I use OpenBox with pcmanfm [08:10] mounting devices is below the de/filemanager area [08:10] I'm trying to figure in slack if it's automated with a filemanager [08:10] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [08:10] de/filemanager area huh? [08:11] automounting is at the hal/udev layer - not the file manager/de layer [08:11] at least that's my understanding [08:11] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:12] I understand that and if it was 100% correct then I should be able to rw to my ntfs partition and I can't so there must be some part of filemanger intervention here [08:12] pcmanfm has an --enable hal flag for compiling [08:13] maybe this pcmanfm is borked.... [08:14] Most stuff I've seen doesn't actually mount the drive [08:14] Either that, or I haven't found a way to make it work [08:15] I found this: [08:15] http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/837/external-usb-ntfs-drives-with-pcmanfm/ [08:15] _dTd_ (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] most USB thumb drives are set to FAT32 [08:15] because it requires less work [08:15] I have two partitions on mine [08:16] yay obscure use cases [08:16] ahhh wait there's not Fuse in /etc/group? [08:16] there doesn't need to be [08:17] at least from my limited use [08:17] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:19] brainvision (~brainvisi@host221-158-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:19] well in /usr/share/pcmanfm/mount.rules there's this: [08:19] [ntfs] [08:19] mount_options=umask=222;utf8;exec [08:19] fstype_override=ntfs-3g [08:20] someone change 222 to 000 and said it worked [08:20] hehe [08:20] man umask to see why that would be [08:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:21] I don't really know how the numbering works, never did hehe [08:21] it's time to learn [08:21] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-tsitvioezgkxtdpd) joined ##slackware. [08:22] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:22] think of umas as a clear bit for the permissions - if umask has a 1 in that position, then the chmod value is cleared [08:23] sorry 2AM a bit tired for the umask class at the moment [08:23] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.248.200.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [08:23] hehe [08:23] alisonken1noc, nice try [08:24] heh [08:25] yeah that worked but I thought 022 would be more correct perms for this? [08:26] ntfs-3g has only recently been declared reasonably stable enough to write to an ntfs partition - that's why the perms were read-only by default [08:26] v4nelle (~van@79.107.249.139) joined ##slackware. [08:26] remember, ms had issues with letting other people know how ntfs worked [08:27] should I just use the kernel ntfs support then? [08:27] same issue with the kernel nfs driver [08:28] actually the perms are RW not RO you can see that in the kernel at boot up [08:28] in-kernel ntfs is read-only. [08:28] that I know [08:28] I was talking about the 3g [08:28] and, what is your question then? [08:28] Solution: Don't use NTFS [08:29] should I just use the kernel ntfs support then? [08:29] you are confusing stuff a lot. [08:29] isn't 022 a more typical default for ntfs I remember as being so in the past, it's what I always used [08:29] pretty basic stuff, too. [08:29] Xgates: think again :) umask 022 is default for _stable_ filesystems [08:30] brainvision, ask away [08:30] ntfs and ntfs-3g has been considered unstable for some time until recently [08:31] I thought ntfs support for rw went stable like 2 years ago [08:31] or even 3-4 more like [08:32] brainvision (~brainvisi@host127-78-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:32] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:32] since I don't use ntfs I don't follow when they change setups - only what I read in status posts, and I haven't read anything about ntfs/ntfs-3g recently changing to stable [08:33] slava_dp: I asked that because of using 3g over the kernel was all, I thought 3g wasn't as mature as the kernel [08:33] brainvision, http://slackwiki.org/Sendmail_TLS_SASL_SMTP-AUTH [08:34] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [08:36] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.116.208) joined ##slackware. [08:36] alisonken1noc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS-3G [08:36] according to that the first stable version was in 2007 [08:37] my understanding is ntfs rw has been stable for a few years [08:37] again - since I don't use ntfs partitions, I didn't follow the development. as far as the umask goes, it may still be a leftover from unstable for the setup you installed [08:38] Xgates, what is your point? ntfs-3g is working RW for *all* of us. so FIX *your* file manager. [08:38] BUT I know how it is, this is what some say and I won't write to a partition on the OS, I'll just write to a usb drive is all one I don't care about either that as far as I go for stabilitu [08:39] stability,,,, cause I know it's still a mix bag of worms [08:39] what a mess of words [08:39] can't see the keyboard to good hehe [08:39] again - the ntfs partition doesn't care what hardware it's installed on - you have to look at _your_ system and the installed defaults, then correct for your setup [08:39] jjholt (~root@cblmdm72-240-21-44.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:39] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:40] slava_dp: I got the filemanger working all is good now [08:40] Xgates, so stop trolling here then. [08:40] alisonken1noc: I got it already [08:40] no one is trolling so chill [08:41] Action: slava_dp sits under an air conditioner and is pretty chilly already. [08:41] Action: alisonken1noc is in a noc and pretty chill even wearing 2 coats [08:42] thanks guys, later... [08:42] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [08:42] one way to find out eh [08:42] alisonken1noc, nice job you have. [08:42] slava_dp: can be :) [08:43] Emeau_ (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-58-83.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:44] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Emeau (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-42-160.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:46] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:46] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [08:56] jhw (~jhw@p5798290A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:57] jhw (~jhw@p5798290A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] psychicist (~dharm@a80-101-203-37.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:58] brainvision (~brainvisi@host127-78-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:59] any idea if its possible to ro loop-mount a gzipped image? [09:00] yeah, i'd like to hear the answer to this [09:01] have an image that seems like its zero filled.. so its only 60G-ish data.. but unzipped will prbably be 320G [09:01] but having trouble unzipping due to space [09:03] Knoppix manages this, although I think they use squashfs or something [09:03] not sure if it works on an ordinary gzip [09:04] something like 'mount -o loop <(zcat image.gz) /mnt/tmp' but it'll probably get unzipped first ;-) [09:04] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:05] the problem is seeking usually [09:05] i think you'd have to modify the loop driver [09:06] there's a way iirc [09:06] to detect an iso in the zipped file [09:06] i only want to extract one dir [09:06] oh you can do that too, but how big is it? [09:06] will you have enough room for just that dir? [09:07] yeah.. itll be max 5G [09:07] i just dont have a single location with 320G free space [09:09] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.116.208) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [09:09] you can try something with fuse+libarchive: http://code.google.com/p/sunteko/ or some listed on http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=ArchiveFileSystems [09:10] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.116.208) joined ##slackware. [09:10] most use libarchive (which is really good btw) [09:10] adrien, nice find [09:11] well gzip doesn't have an option to specify which files to extract [09:11] there's a catch however: many aren't maintained or perfect [09:11] but it does have an option not to overwrite files [09:11] so, I'd put a copy of the file, not the file itself [09:11] brainvision (~brainvisi@host110-78-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Skywise: no, it's a partition inside a gzip so it's not that easy [09:12] Skywise: this is a gzipped image. theres only one file. [09:12] and there's only one file in a gzip [09:12] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-126-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:13] but I think there's something better than *+fuse, but I can't remember ='( [09:13] fuse is neat! [09:13] mass_nerder (c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.87.99.29) joined ##slackware. [09:13] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:13] mass_nerder kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Plugging the spam hole. [09:14] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [09:14] ive still yet to use it for anythingf [09:14] I just installed sshfs the other day [09:14] hmmmm, the slackboy ban is not very nice to people, maybe it should explain the problem and not just /kb [09:14] I used sshfs a lot. [09:14] and I find sshfs really unreliable ='( [09:15] adrien, it has an option to reconnect if lost [09:15] lots of options really [09:15] although I only used it at home before I set up conventional networking. it worked. [09:15] I've had weird things, so I ended up not using it [09:15] chipster_ (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:15] i wonder if i can zcat it through ntfs clone in some way to have it strip the zero-filled space [09:16] s/ntfs clone/ntfsclone/ [09:16] adrien: unreliable? hrm. so far I've only used it with the two laptops, and they're just connected together [09:16] I fire up sanada instead, it's a standalone, single-file perl script, very short and very simple, gets the job done [09:16] sshfs is nice indeed [09:17] raela: in such cases, I use nfs ;-) [09:17] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [09:17] I only have a use for sshfs when I'm really remote and then, I haven't been happy with it [09:17] adrien: I might use it with connecting to frankie as well. what's unstable about it? [09:17] chipster_ (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:18] (slow amon others) [09:18] chipster_ (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:18] bah. Why did samba have to name a release by my name? [09:19] can't remember, first time I had problems was a few years ago now and I tried it again a few months back and also had problems but I stopped using sshfs as soon as they happened, I think the connection would randomly drop and I'd have stale mounts [09:19] Action: adrien dances samba with thumbs [09:19] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Disconnected by services [09:20] :( [09:20] ah. well I'm not keeping things mounted, just for accessing at a time [09:20] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@70.227.162.173) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:21] Action: adrien gives thumbs an icecream [09:22] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [09:23] thanks. [09:24] chipster_ (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:24] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:24] danix (~danix@host1-54-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:24] cfdisk (~cfdisk@c951c6c9.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:25] ^^ [09:26] oooh I could do with an icecream [09:26] it's 30C in here [09:26] adaptr: it's 30C in my appartment. [09:27] mkeil (~marcel@vs.marcel-keil.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:27] LostMyNick (darkhack@just.use.xterm.co.cc) joined ##slackware. [09:27] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:27] Nick change: LostMyNick -> DarkHack [09:27] DarkHack (darkhack@just.use.xterm.co.cc) left irc: Changing host [09:27] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [09:27] brainvision (~brainvisi@host110-78-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:27] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:27] yes, that would be where "here" is [09:27] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-188.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:27] the airco is blazing away behind me, with zero result [09:27] You guys are in the same apartment? [09:28] rob0: umm [09:29] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [09:29] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] 30C inside? ouch! the poor computers [09:33] its 75' in here and 80' outside [09:33] no, computers don't care until it gets over 100 [09:34] theres still plenty of differential at 100' [09:34] 26°C in my living room, I managed to keep the temps down: open some windows and shuts in the morning, close them in the afternoon, open the ones you had closed before... [09:34] if you have ac, you should keep all the windows closed [09:34] 26? i have almost 30 [09:34] windows opened at night [09:34] but it has no effect [09:34] and your ac should take in outside air [09:35] at 4 in the morning the sun comes again [09:35] actually, you should also keep the windows closed even if you have no AC [09:35] ac makes the air comfortable from dehumidifying too [09:35] hotter outside than inside? close everything [09:35] raela: I have tons of fan. [09:36] fans only shuffles the air, its not actually making it cooler [09:36] 26C in my apartment with windows open.. but it's early in the day. glad it isn't higher [09:36] sure it makes it cooler [09:36] it carries away more heat [09:37] thats why wind chill gets colder as the wind gets stronger [09:40] 24 outside, 19 inside. suck ite [09:40] s/e/./ [09:41] brainvision (~brainvisi@host130-29-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Zordrak: did you find a way to loop mount a gzip image? If not, I have something you can try. [09:44] SpacePlod: i managed to find enough space to extract it [09:44] it wasnt the full 320 [09:44] but im interested in the idea nonetheless [09:44] i wonder if a file manager like mc will let you browse inside the archive and the extract just what you want [09:44] hitest (~chatzilla@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] like winrar does in windows [09:45] Skywise: are you high?L [09:45] why, its just navigating the toc [09:45] you don't have to unpack the file first [09:45] its [09:45] an [09:45] image [09:45] browse, yes. But loop mount? I'm not sure it that would work. [09:46] Zordrak: in SBo there are "libewf" and "afflib". Both contain tools for dealing with forensic images. So... [09:46] Lurzino (Luigino@host80-52-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:46] hello everyone!!!!! :)))))))) [09:47] libewf comes with a program called "ewfacquirestream" that will allow you to create a empty-block commressed E01 forensic image (so you would have another compressed copy of the data - downside)... [09:47] ah [09:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloop [09:48] jlarrew (~WallRat00@c-68-43-1-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:48] that could then be fuse mounted with affuse from afflib (which supports compressed e01. [09:48] actually, they might have their own format [09:48] need a little help.. in my slackware I settled wicd and it found the wifi connection, settled with dns and stuffs but when I try to connect to google.com it doesn't reach even the site... I have also apache installed which if I type 192.168.0.1 (whch it's same ip of the router's gateway) on the browser it doesn't go to router's page but it shows "it works!".... [09:49] what could be happened?.... apache should be localhost which is 127.0.0.1... [09:49] I just tried it and it worked fine to loop mount an ntfs partition in a gzipped dd image. [09:49] Wow(!). Just wow. [09:49] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427654.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:49] indeed [09:50] zcat -> ewfacquirestream --> affuse. Done [09:50] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427654.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [09:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427654.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:55] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [09:55] no one could suggest me? [09:57] Lurzino: your computer and router have got the same IP address. This is BAD. [09:58] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:58] eh Zordrak...I think apache which it was configured by installation adopted 192.168.0.1 [09:58] how I can change that? [09:58] Wow. [09:59] I just can't come down to this level. It's too much. Just... no. [09:59] eh once I installed slackware 13.1 I just selected to run automatically apache, mysql [10:06] Elektro (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:08] brainvision (~brainvisi@host130-29-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:10] Lurzino: your issue is not with apache httpd. [10:11] thumbs I thought it was about /etc/hosts but in there it's all right... [10:11] Lurzino: start with the basics. [10:12] Lurzino: You're not even using hostnames. You're dealing with IPs. The hosts file doesn't even enter into it. [10:12] Lurzino: having apache httpd running will not break your network connectivity. Check the interfaces, the IPs, the gateway, the DNS servers, the routes. [10:12] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [10:13] grep 192 /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [10:19] psychicist (~dharm@a80-101-203-37.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:21] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:21] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) joined ##slackware. [10:21] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) left irc: Changing host [10:21] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Elektro (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [10:22] brainvision (~brainvisi@host131-14-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:23] well Zordrak in the rc.inet1.conf there's not 192.168.0.1 mentioned [10:24] I see though the WLAN_ESSID[4] is settled to DARKSTAR which my router's essid isn't darkstar but another essid [10:26] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-126-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [10:27] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) joined ##slackware. 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[10:40] cant find one on first pass [10:43] iceheart (~nihao@114.83.116.208) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:45] Lurzino (Luigino@host80-52-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:46] well with netconfig rc.inet1 didn't really worked.... at least localhost is 127.0.0.1 but still if I write on browser 192.168.0.1 it still goes "it Works!" as like typing http://localhost [10:46] perhaps slackware isn't for you? [10:47] haha [10:48] Lurzino: again, your issue is not with apache httpd. [10:48] Lurzino: why are you using that as a reference? [10:49] uva (as@111-240-210-52.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] because that "it works!" is an apache page as I remember.. [10:49] Lurzino: yes, why is that an issue, exactly? [10:50] but surely I should have forgot something somewhere.. [10:50] Lurzino: it's a default page served by apache httpd. [10:50] Lurzino: again, why do you concern yourself with apache httpd? What did you expect to happen? [10:52] I expected if I write localhost it should appear that "it works" but if I write 192.168.0.1 it should appear router's page [10:52] which is weird but wait [10:52] I havent' checked yet resolv.conf [10:52] hold on I go look on it [10:53] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Lurzino: well, look into your network configuration, routing tables, and such. [10:53] nader (~nader@85.133.204.122) joined ##slackware. [10:54] revel0__ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:57] RLa (~RL@90-190-52-138-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [11:03] brainvision (~brainvisi@host131-14-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:04] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:05] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) joined ##slackware. [11:06] vankoo` (~van@87.120.157.27) joined ##slackware. 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[12:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [12:55] fatal: open /dev/sda: No such device or address [12:55] KaMii, from which environment are you booted? [12:55] a liveCD ? [12:55] /dev/sda is my FreeBSD and blank filesystems [12:55] i booted in with a 12.2 cd [12:55] because thats all I have [12:55] but installed is 13.1 [12:55] is your partition ext4? [12:55] ext2 [12:56] same $arch ? [12:56] seperate /boot? [12:56] no [12:56] your mount command for /dev is correct ;/ [12:56] with the change of kernel between 12 and 13 the device names have changed [12:56] KaMii: your / is ext2? [12:56] yes [12:56] try using fdisk -l to get the new device name [12:56] heh [12:57] device name doesn't matter [12:57] its /dev/sdb2 [12:57] its the same as before [12:57] KaMii, ls /mnt looks nice ? [12:57] yes [12:58] i was trying to install winoze 7 ulicrap on another drive, I never did install it because it couldnt find a place to put it, so I backed out [12:58] now lilo is gone [12:58] heh [12:58] i didnt think just looking would murder lilo [12:59] and i do know before lilo was always screaming because the MBR was on a different drive [12:59] so idk, i want to change all that, but i cant get back in [12:59] KaMii, in the live environment, does /dev have some stuff populated, actually ? [12:59] yes [12:59] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [12:59] /dev is full [12:59] try 'mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev' ? [13:00] i tied that one too [13:00] kritter (~anonymous@64.108.5.130) joined ##slackware. [13:00] it gave me a usage on mount -o [13:00] wait no, it just says wrong fs type [13:01] o__O [13:01] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Hey guys, I'm definitely not here to bash pkgtool, but I am very curious as to the benefits of having no dependency checking. I read through the blurb in the Slackbook, but it wasn't very enlightening. [13:01] dmesg says SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) [13:02] hitest (~chatzilla@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624141736] [13:02] its faster [13:02] kritter, none, just that we prefer it that way [13:02] it's simpler [13:02] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [13:03] but dependencies can get rather convoluted [13:03] thrice`: do most people running on slackware have a script that at least logs the dependencies for future reference or something? I'm just wondering how one would remember dependencies when it comes time to upgrade or remove packages. [13:04] ls /var/log/packages | grep pacakagename [13:04] Action: kritter is considering eventually writing a small pkg utility and is just weighing different options and styles. [13:04] kritter: If you're a long term Slackware user, you tend to just learn the deps and intuitivly know which other packages you need to make something work.. [13:04] Ah, okay =) Fair enough. [13:04] kritter, well, an example might help :> normally you do a full-ish install, which covers all of your deps. for extra apps, slackbuilds.org will, for example, tell you if other stuff is needed to build apps [13:04] thrice`: how can i get lilo back? [13:05] KaMii, sorry, I'm out of ideas; something is b0rked on your FS [13:05] or is it hardware? [13:05] its only messing up on the FreeBSD drive [13:05] which is strange [13:05] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [13:06] yay, koffice 2.2.1 is out [13:06] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.236) joined ##slackware. [13:07] KaMii: Err, it probably will - BSD uses a different disklabel format from Linux, so it can't read the partition layouts. [13:07] KaMii, I thought you were trying to fix your 13.1 partition? [13:10] if you're booted from fbsd and trying to fix things, it won't work. if you're booted from 12.2, and mounting 13.1, with the command you gave above, it should work [13:11] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) joined ##slackware. [13:12] sahko: you around? [13:14] Necos: yes [13:15] henaaque (bd3a120c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.58.18.12) joined ##slackware. [13:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:15] henaaque kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Plugging the spam hole. [13:15] tried your suggestion with the iso... keep getting isolinux.bin not found [13:15] cpunches (~root@cpc1-cove4-0-0-cust40.sol2.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [13:17] cpunches: you should get a life. [13:17] hhm. is your source tree complete? at least containing isolinux/ kernels/ and slackware/ ? [13:17] yep [13:18] did you modify the script i gave you? can you post the one you used? [13:19] help, help, cpunches invasion [13:19] I'm just here to say that i've been a complete twat. I'm sorry. I'm just lonely and stalking is the only way I can get a hard on since I started stalking my ex-fiance... [13:19] ttp://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/fHsICf77.html [13:20] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/fHsICf77.html [13:20] I just want some man love. [13:21] you're whacked [13:21] trolling isn't much better received [13:21] Necos: what about the script to create the iso? [13:21] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/OGqYP034.html [13:22] could it be hardware issue? [13:22] i have this strange feeling my mb is going, it sometimes hangs at bios [13:23] blacklinux (~blacklinu@121.54.29.50) joined ##slackware. [13:23] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [13:25] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Necos: it looks like it should work. you only changed the isodir stuff. did you run it as root (su -)? [13:25] i cant think of anything tbh [13:27] since your tree is in /root i guess you did [13:27] oh, that Chris guy is here? [13:27] sigh. [13:27] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:28] thumbs: I'm just here for some man love [13:28] thumbs: I have to stalk people, it's the only thing that turns me on [13:28] yep [13:29] blacklinux (~blacklinu@121.54.29.50) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:30] what? [13:31] read the backlog [13:31] after [14:26] thumbs: I'm just here for some man love, Im just to afraid of reading the backlog [13:32] lol [13:32] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:32] too bad [13:33] ah, fdisk is reporting invalid flags on the drive, should press w and have it write to fix? [13:33] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [13:33] might destroy data [13:33] or will that make me lose stuff, like everything [13:34] bah [13:34] ive got a lot of stuff that i dont know how to backup on that drive [13:34] like custom kernel and settings, and all that fun stuff [13:35] guax: Don't you want my man love? [13:35] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] how would i know if I lose data? [13:36] would i see it immediatly [13:36] i mean i cant get back into the system so I should try anyway [13:37] if you can't afford to gamble back it up before you do anything [13:37] alienBOB rworkman [13:37] which file is my custom kernel? [13:37] it would be in /boot [13:37] is it just the one in /boot [13:37] Alan_Hicks [13:38] phrag [13:38] phrags [13:38] cpunches [13:38] Stx [13:39] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [13:39] revel0__ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:44] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@cpc1-cove4-0-0-cust40.sol2.cable.ntl.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:44] cpunches kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: idiot [13:44] seeeeya [13:45] thanks BP{k} =) [13:45] all he wanted was some man love [13:45] Action: raela hugs phrag [13:45] np. :) [13:45] \o/ [13:45] lol ^^ [13:45] that guy will *never* change [13:46] i suspect that kid has ADD or something.. ignorance is the best tool imho [13:46] You know him? [13:46] chopp: I hope he changes his clothes.. otherwise.. ewww [13:46] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:46] lol ^^ [13:46] Roin: he's a channel legend [13:46] phrag: yeah sounds about right [13:46] Roin: most people here know him [13:46] Roin: only as far as one knows the village idiot=P [13:46] raela: lol [13:46] check noobfarm for examples [13:46] Oh ok, I'm probably to new to know him xD [13:46] several nick searches - cpunches dartmouth among others [13:47] gammamute [13:47] Oh I see ##slackwares very personal troll ._. [13:48] alisonken1home: may i PM ? [13:48] ##slackware's personal stalker more like it [13:48] phrag sure [13:48] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:49] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:49] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:50] phrag: btw, is the ban on webchat fully automatic? [13:51] I mean, bans all webchat users? [13:51] no.. that should have been removed [13:51] yeh, webchat isn't restricted at present [13:52] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:52] at least is now =P [13:52] isnt* [13:52] ok, good ;-) [13:52] i'll keep an eye on it... was from spammers a week ago [13:52] the message wasn't very informative for a legit user, that was my main concern [13:52] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.22.50.219.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:53] (main and only actually) [13:54] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:55] yeh, we were going to just +q that hostmask so legit users could access and be more transparent.. anyway, webchat back open for now [13:55] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [14:03] jonsmith1982 (~jon@89.240.233.125) joined ##slackware. [14:03] might install slackware 13.1 tonight, can't believe i aint had time to do it yet. [14:04] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) joined ##slackware. [14:08] make sure to get your shots first [14:09] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:10] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFDF2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: laters o/ [14:13] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:14] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) joined ##slackware. [14:14] ponzi (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] hi [14:14] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:14] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) joined ##slackware. [14:14] why would I get a dhcp nack via dhclient when I take my laptop to wifi hotspots ? [14:15] err NAK [14:15] you're unauthorized? [14:15] how could I get authorized with out an ip in the first place [14:15] there is no wep on these hotspots [14:15] because either you are unauthorized or dhclient is stupid [most likely] [14:15] try dhcpcd [14:15] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-53-43.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:15] ok [14:16] ponzi (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:17] compmstr (~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] wow... got lilo back [14:19] nickals (~nickals@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [14:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:19] nickals kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: slackin, you've been warned *repeatedly* about that spambot, er, pugbot shit. [14:20] Warning: the boot sector and map file are on different disks [14:20] is this going to be a problem? [14:20] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-53-43.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] If I plug a wireless radio bridged on my eth0 and on my eth1 is 192.168.2.1 that is connected to a switch, will I can access the other point of the radio with my other computers that are plugged into the switch ? [14:22] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:22] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) left irc: Quit: exit error code 434 [14:22] Drone4four (~daniel@CPE001e58060588-CM001cea644aca.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] ponzi (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] hi [14:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:24] dhcpcd wlan0 doesn't work where dhclient does. [14:24] Broadcasting DHCP_REQUEST for 192.168.1.137 # stalls on that, and why that IP? Why not what the server offers. What if this were a class A subnet? [14:27] can't connect to a wireless dhcp server if you're authenticated first [14:27] if you're not authenticated first * [14:28] ponzi: try dhcpcd -O [14:34] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:38] mancha: what do you mean authenticated? THere's no wep. [14:38] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [14:39] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [14:39] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [14:40] huh? [14:41] you will need to associate to the AP somehow...before you can dhcp [14:41] skype_static is just like skype-64bit - seems like all skype binaries are shared 32-bit, they just change the name of the package [14:41] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [14:43] not to mention they "... don't have a beta version for Linux " but the linux official binary is labelled "Skype 2.1 Beta 2 for Linux" [14:44] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-126-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:45] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-2-11.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:45] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:46] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:47] lord_darwin2 (~lord_darw@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:47] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [14:47] oh right the essid [14:47] knnk (~ngworekar@rrcs-67-79-223-139.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:54] hitest (~chatzilla@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] GET /prot%c0%afected/cows.moo [14:55] alphad64 (~alphad64@rs.aviso.ci) joined ##slackware. [14:56] GET /..%c0%af/ [14:56] >> [14:56] Download Complete. [14:56] ofc =P [14:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:56] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:57] artv61test (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:57] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:57] they're droppin' like flies, i tell ya... [14:58] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: Changing host [14:58] nooneelse (~brunodeol@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [15:00] unless their IRC client parses webdav.. it wasnt me =P [15:00] my analog video out on my slackware laptop is shot....any help? [15:00] what driver you using? [15:00] you know how to use a soldering iron? [15:01] its prolly just lifted from the mother board [15:01] i always use a 3 wood [15:01] nvidia geforce 1200 [15:01] or something i gotta check [15:01] was it working before and then stopped or you have another issue? [15:01] no, i mean software wise its shot [15:01] oh ok [15:01] it was working on my windows partition and it WAS working on slack13 [15:02] *it is working in windows [15:02] i did yum update so that prolly caused it [15:02] yum! h0h0 [15:02] hmm [15:03] i didn't know slackware had yum [15:03] out of the box, no, but just like the slapt repositories it has to be installed [15:03] mass_nerder (c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.87.99.29) joined ##slackware. [15:04] why would you want yum on slackware? [15:04] can you undo what you did with yum? [15:04] I just use slackbuilds [15:04] raela to be chastised on ##slackware of course... [15:05] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:06] codeblocker1247 (~root@pool-70-109-141-133.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:06] nooneelse: sorry, wasn't paying attention while working :) [15:07] njathan (~njathan@203.115.80.164) joined ##slackware. [15:08] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:09] alphad64 (~alphad64@rs.aviso.ci) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:09] i am running 13.0... since the last few days dolphin seems to be giving problems.. dolphin takes ages to open.. it was working fine until about a week ago.. any ideas anyone? [15:10] figure out what changed [15:11] mancha, the only new app i have installed in the last few days was kdenlive (along with the other dependencies) [15:11] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.36.218) joined ##slackware. [15:11] mancha, i cannot remember installing or tweaking anything else [15:11] something's changed, this is a certainty. we need to find out what among those changed things has affected dolphin [15:12] mancha, is there a way of doing it... other than relying on self memory? [15:13] one week's not long, but slackware package installs leave a timestamp in /var/log/packages [15:13] nooneelse: If / when you read this, I might not be here, but feel free to mail me about ntop. It's working fine on my server [15:13] that can assist in your sleuthing... [15:14] also, is kdenlive a good editor? i have it but haven't used it [15:14] otzy_007 (oz@pc55078.static.is.airbites.ro) left ##slackware. [15:14] foureyes779 (~theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [15:14] d00m (~root@201.57.91.146) left irc: Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! [15:15] mancha: why would you need something other than vim? [15:15] because vim doesn' [15:15] because vim doesn't do nonlinear video editing as well as you'd like... [15:15] and this is why adjectives are wonderful [15:16] I'm sure you could make it work for that though [15:16] mancha, i'm yet to learn to use kdenlive :p [15:16] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:16] njathan, i've heard some good things though i know its a youngish project. [15:16] i am curious how it comapres to openshot, say [15:20] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:22] compmstr (~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:22] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) joined ##slackware. [15:23] ponzi (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:25] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-2-11.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-77-169.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:28] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:28] openshot is a POS >.> [15:29] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:29] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@200.132.136.239) joined ##slackware. [15:29] yukiti (~yukiti@200.129.209.4) joined ##slackware. [15:30] someone? [15:30] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-2-11.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:31] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] ? [15:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:31] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-2-11.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] someone what? [15:31] k [15:31] wpa_gui dont work [15:31] why? [15:32] nice description [15:32] going to have to give more info than that [15:32] never find wireless network [15:33] many speak to use wicd [15:33] wicd is better? [15:33] much better ;) [15:34] hi yukiti; did you setup your network (iwconfig, etc.)? [15:34] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:34] i'm not a big wicd fan myself, but try it for yourself :) [15:34] im connected by wireless [15:34] but [15:35] i always connect by ifconfig up, wlan0 essid [15:35] I was wondering if it is to detect wireless network [15:36] I always have to know the ssid of the network [15:36] asarch (~asarch@189.188.159.212) joined ##slackware. [15:36] i think im the only person in history not to have problems with linux overall [15:37] i've never had X issues, never had wifi issues [15:37] can i buy your poster for my office? [15:37] thx for all [15:38] i found one solve [15:38] thx [15:38] that's becuase you run windows jeev [15:38] what was the solution, yukiti? [15:38] wicd [15:38] on your eleet gaming machine [15:38] lol@thrice [15:38] but... o wpa_gui which already comes installed dont work [15:39] why? [15:39] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] run it from the command line, see if it spits back anything when you push 'scan' ? [15:39] k [15:39] w8 [15:40] i dont sell posters [15:40] yukiti, is english your native language ? [15:40] autograph my motherboard? [15:40] nothing happens [15:40] thrice`, yea i also run slack you homo, i have 37 computers and 150 servers [15:40] no [15:41] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@200.132.136.239) left irc: Changing host [15:41] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [15:42] english bad? [15:42] thrice [15:44] what the hell is going on in this channel? [15:44] haha. [15:44] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:201:c0ff:fe04:c41f) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:44] yukiti, no :) just curious [15:45] jeev, right. [15:45] k... but im not better english [15:46] :> [15:48] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-126-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:48] botnet (~botnet@174-21-29-160.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] turnedtodust (turnedtodu@get.rooted.by.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [15:48] oh hai [15:49] was wondering if anyone was around for a few questions.. kind of lost [15:49] better to just ask.. [15:50] turnedtodust, just ask a question, if anyone's around that can help you, they most likely will. [15:50] ITechJunkie (~ITechJunk@ip98-162-243-126.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:50] sorry for double asking ;) [15:50] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] I was going through slackbuilds. and mirrored the VLC build directory.. It said if I didn't have YASM I could set it to no. And start making the package with the script [15:51] i need a 32bit Openal library on 64bit slackware-current, can i build it myself since i have multi-lib? alien's wiki seems to only cover the conversion of existing 32bit packages to multilib [15:51] Gatto (~Romeo~@host124-66-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:51] hello guys [15:51] hi [15:51] well.. that ultimately failed saying I still needed YASM installed. so I found the YASM slackbuild.. did that [15:51] Vlc's script is still saying yasm isn't installed [15:51] and if so, is it simply a matter of making the slackbuild use ARCH=x86? [15:51] botnet, if you have the toolchain, sure :) [15:52] when it installed to /usr/include/libyasm/ [15:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-70-164.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:52] thrice, i have 32bit compat gcc and stuff, is that all thats needed? [15:52] turnedtodust, out of curiosity, are you sure you want to compile vlc yourself ? alienBOB makes some very nice packages :> [15:52] is possible mount an ntfs volume with usbboot.img [15:52] ? [15:52] mount to rw ^^ [15:53] Thrice. I went through downloading the build as I was confused as to seeing that as the only way to get mp3/dvd support [15:53] Gatto, not sure off hand, but i'd guess not [15:53] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:55] oh, wait, i missed a section in the wiki, let me try that [15:56] ok thanks... [15:56] turnedtodust, how closely did you read this page? :) http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-slackware.html [15:57] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [15:57] If I needed mp3/aac support to download from the non-us mirror.. [15:57] getting warmer :> [15:58] and as the guide said itself from vlc. to mirror the Build directory [15:59] now im assuming i need to convertpkg this, right? [15:59] http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/vlc/ just use those packages [16:03] ITechJunkie (~ITechJunk@ip98-162-243-126.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Notepad (znc@unaffiliated/stevemcqueen) joined ##slackware. [16:04] turnedtodust (turnedtodu@get.rooted.by.shellium.org) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:05] crunchpotato (~cold@180.186.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:08] crunchpo1ato (~cold@193-126-149-49.net.novis.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:10] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:10] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Quit: curiosity kill the kat [16:10] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:15] gahhhh sooo many dependencies to convert [16:15] jnylin (~jnylin@c-7471e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[16:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@97.103.10.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:20] uhh, am i missing something here? when trying to compile libsndfile i get incompatible libjack.so, then when compiling jack-audio-connection-kit, i get incompaitble libsndfile.so [16:21] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [16:23] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFDF2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] rirombo (~rirombo@h43.180.131.174.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:27] mass_nerder (c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.87.99.29) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:27] ahhh alienBOB, i have a question for you: im trying ultimately to run dwarf frotress on 64bit slackware-current, to do this i am needing to compile some 32bit sources, but i've run into what appears to be a cross-dependency problem [16:28] tekzilla (~jon@d069114.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:28] namely, to compile libsndfile, i need a 32bit libjack.so, and in order to compile jack-audio-connection-kit i need a 32bit libsndfile.so [16:29] Jennifur (~Jen@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:31] tekzilla (~jon@d033251.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:31] SpartanV1 (~spartan@adsl-176-2-187.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-2-11.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:37] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:39] Hi botnet [16:39] Check the ./configure options of all those pieces of software [16:39] hello [16:40] chocolate ninja pie! [16:40] First compile libsndfile (without jack) then compile jack, then compile libsndfile again - this time in the presence of jack [16:40] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Heya phrag meister [16:41] hey man, hows it going? =) [16:41] friday is here! [16:42] Yes, it is freaking hot here! [16:42] Another sleepless night [16:42] Notepad (znc@unaffiliated/stevemcqueen) left ##slackware. [16:42] It's nearing midnight and the thermometer says 29 degrees centigrade [16:43] ouchie [16:44] alienBOB, my fart is 29C [16:44] you call that hot ? [16:45] v4nelle (~van@79.107.249.139) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:46] Watch it jeev I am in a bad mood. My fart is hell fire [16:47] taco hell farts are the worse [16:48] 29C with 63% humidity here in princeton >.<; [16:48] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.86.45) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:51] lol [16:51] a hell fire missle ? [16:52] you know, taco bell has never given me gas [16:52] i think theBOB should fart in your general direction jeev :P [16:52] Python reference ftw [16:52] Necos, if i fart in any direction it's your general direction. [16:52] you live in burbank :P [16:53] go play with the armenian chain smokers [16:53] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:53] yea but my fart is so powerful, it's anyone's general direction.. get it ? [16:54] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:54] yeah, i get it... i just hope the winds blow it all back in your nose ^.^ [16:55] even better for me [16:55] death by fart wind [16:55] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [16:56] a fitting end for jeev lol [16:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:56] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:57] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] ron1n (~ron1n@70.44.172.13.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[17:11] phrag: \o/ [17:12] Razec (~razec@187.34.21.116) joined ##slackware. [17:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:13] nader (~nader@85.133.204.122) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [17:15] tsolox (~tsolox@124.6.157.10) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:16] how to tell what static options in a kernel? (loadable modules can be done via lsmod) [17:16] hey beavis and butthead might come back [17:16] yukiti (yukiti@200.129.209.4) left ##slackware. [17:19] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wrfmqvowpvjexevc) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:19] jeev seriously? [17:20] lol no way mike judge can bring it back [17:20] I like my 90's TV nostalgia, I think that would be ill-advised. [17:20] Razec (~razec@187.34.21.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:20] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Action: alienBOB is not nostalgic about any old tv stuff... only about old music [17:21] ++ [17:22] it seems that hollywood is remaking all the early 80s classics now, a team, nightmare on elm street etc, so in about 10 years they will remake the early 90s ones [17:22] or probably even sooner [17:22] Action: adrien can't wait for them to remake the Muppet Show [17:22] There will always be tv drones [17:22] they're running out of ideas pretty quickly, so i'd say within the next yr or two [17:23] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:23] wooooo \o/ stupid javascript says "foo@gmail.com" isn't the same email address as "foo@gmail.Com" >< [17:24] tallship (~hammer@174.33.24.54) left irc: Quit: It's potty time I can't hold it ! Can't hold it! Can't hold it! (Who loves kids? "Charlie Waffles!" - Right! ;) [17:24] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:24] hitest (~chatzilla@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624141736] [17:25] because js is case sensitive [17:29] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-tsitvioezgkxtdpd) left ##slackware. [17:30] Matt_S_G (Matt@94.99.94.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:33] Razec (~razec@187.34.22.187) joined ##slackware. [17:33] tsolox (~tsolox@124.6.157.10) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:34] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@70.227.162.173) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:35] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [17:38] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:38] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.6.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:41] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:42] any reason that wifi on an eeepc would suddenly stop working? [17:42] which driver? and what kind of encryption? [17:43] sahko: ath5k, wpa [17:43] nyRednek: ifconfig -a ? [17:43] adrien: doesn't show it [17:43] maybe you need to blacklist some module like in mine [17:43] is the module still loaded? and what does dmesg say? [17:43] but mines rt not ath5k [17:44] sahko: it has worked for months, and i don't know what would change to screw the setup [17:44] reproducible? reboot fixes it? [17:44] adrien: reboot does not fix it [17:44] months with pre .32 kernel? yes mine worked too [17:44] things change in the kernel though [17:45] sahko: it's still running 13.0 [17:45] nyRednek: cold or hot reboot? [17:45] adrien: both, no dice [17:45] well, then pastebin your dmesg [17:45] adrien: easier said than done [17:46] heheh ;-) [17:46] good ol' ethernet cable? [17:46] adrien: if i can dig a spare up [17:46] danix (~danix@host1-54-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:47] nyRednek: have you rebooted your AP yet? [17:50] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:50] alienBOB: not yet, thanks, that might fix things(it hasn't been rebooted in weeks) [17:51] bbs, rebooting ap knocks me offline too [17:52] rdogg112 (~lol@bl15-145-129.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] GUYS, how do i install ubuntu? [17:53] ... [17:53] -.- [17:53] i heard the shit is 20x harder than slackware [17:53] go troll elsewhere, really [17:53] i keep getting a kernel panic [17:53] I heard gentoo people get a kick out of it [17:53] the hardest part is instlaling ubuntu's pam_motd module [17:53] and the guys in #ubuntu said that ##slackware was the channel for ubuntu support [17:54] Sure, and you are bright enough to believe them [17:54] and, someone told me , you guys give away redhat in here? [17:54] For free yes [17:54] give me. [17:54] rdogg112: it's at www.centos.org [17:54] raela gtfo newfag [17:54] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:54] uh oh [17:54] right. go back to /b/ [17:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.dsl.telepac.pt' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [17:54] rdogg112 kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: rdogg112 [17:55] heh [17:55] I just wanted to tell him he reached the point where he needs to go xD [17:55] trolls have grown less creative i think...amirite? [17:55] agreed [17:55] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.dsl.telepac.pt' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [17:55] Ban was a bit too wide ;-) [17:56] ^^ [17:56] *!*@*.pt is moar better [17:56] alienBOB: portugal lost. ban them all you like [17:56] Portugese are OK [17:56] *!*@bl15-145-129.dsl.telepac.pt <-- wouldnt do it? [17:56] Sure, but he won't come back [17:57] oh ok [17:57] creative and witty trolls are sometimes worth a chuckle or two...these days it's lame though [17:57] If he does we'll have some more fun [17:57] Looks like you have more luck with trolls really leaving after they were banned one time ^^ [17:58] Well they are not all alike [17:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:58] Some go on for an hour screaming and fuming in PM [17:58] knnk (~ngworekar@rrcs-67-79-223-139.sw.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:58] Yeah I know, some even bother to change IP's and whatelse not to bypass bans -.- [17:59] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:59] i would like to see a troll activity breakdown by weekday, i bet we see weekend spikes [17:59] nyRednek_ (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Those are the ugly ones. They are purposeful little shits [17:59] agreed [17:59] where weekend starts late friday, for this purpose... [17:59] Necos (~tessai@dynamic-oit-vapornet-c-102.Princeton.EDU) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:01] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427654.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:05] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:06] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:07] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Elektro (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Hey fellas I know this is a little off topic, but any ideas why the standard IRC protocol isn't followed by most clients/servers? I've been thinking about this for the past couple days, and it seems like the standard protocol could be implemented as base and then the extra functionality as modules, no? [18:08] huh? [18:08] There is only one IRC protocoll [18:08] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:08] ok, wlan0 no longer exists, the wlan light isn't on, nor will it come on with the software switch [18:09] it used to [18:09] kritter: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459 :) [18:09] Nick change: nyRednek_ -> nyRednek [18:09] kritter what part of the rfc is being broken? [18:09] spidertux (~spidertux@95.237.178.130) joined ##slackware. [18:09] maybe I just got kritter wrong then @.@ [18:09] and by whom ? we like to know these things, so we can place blame [18:09] Well I was talking to some people about that protocol and they said that it's generally not fully accepted. I just don't understand why at least the base of each server/client could be fully standardized. [18:09] kritter: "some people" ? oh wow [18:09] Hi [18:09] kritter: IRC is a protocol. [18:10] Roin, mancha: Yep, seems like it is. over in #freenode they said that even the FreeNode IRC server doesn't follow protocol. [18:10] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:10] i can manually modprobe ath5k, but nothing seems to work [18:10] a prtocol spoken by at least two applications is by definition a standard [18:10] it's also the requirement to move an RFC onto the Internet Standards Track [18:10] kritter: i dont understand why you are asking here. try #linux #freenode #irc anything but ##slackware [18:11] its also quite obvious that you dont even use Slackware (since you were asking about dependencies earlier) [18:11] sahko: yes, sorry. i digress and will take it elsewhere. you guys are just generally knowledgable about things. [18:11] i want to know what part of the rfc is being broken [18:12] i am sure some servers extend functionality beyond the rfc, but is anything in the rfc broken? [18:12] sahko: i was just interested in the way things were being implemented in slackware is all. (as far as the dependency checking goes) I figured #slackware would be a good place to learn about that one. =] [18:13] kritter: claiming that software used by several tens of thousands of people using hundreds of clients is broken is not the best way to start a conversation [18:13] Well as IRC is a protocol it isnt really "implemented" into Slackware since you practically just need TCP sockets ._. [18:13] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [18:13] mancha: hm, well I'll check into it some more and let you know if I find out. it just shocked me when I heard that. I was told that if I wrote a standards compliant client that I couldn't not expect to receive standardized message from servers. [18:13] kritter there isn't an official tool that automates the checking of dependencies... [18:13] kritter: I wonder if you even realize the absurdity of your "some people told me" [18:14] Action: kritter has already digressed [18:14] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:14] I'll drop the irc stuff now... [18:14] try a networking forum [18:14] god damn windows is pathetic [18:14] word [18:14] kritter, i am not 100% on this, but my money is on a standards-compliant client able to connect to most servers [18:15] this is just a gut feeling, not based on any hard evidence... [18:15] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-11-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:16] So anyhow, the reason I was asking about package management is because I'm going through LFS and and it's mentioned that pkgtool has no dependency checking purposefully. I know now it's just because it's the way you guys like it. I wasn't attempting to downplay it at all. I'm just a fairly curious guy. [18:16] Thanks for all of the feedback by the way =] [18:16] Action: kritter is appreciative [18:17] alienBOB: i know these things occasionally just "stop working" for reasons unknown to me, but i forget the repair procedure [18:17] Repair for what, nyRednek? The laptop or the AP? [18:17] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-77-134.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:17] kritter a lot of the "whys" you ask have a supericial answer and a deeper answer, the first being "beucase pat wants it that way" [18:18] alienBOB: the ath5k wifi card on a eeepc 900hd [18:18] sometimes there's a public version of the 2nd type of answer and sometimes not :) [18:18] nyRednek: it remains dead after reboot? [18:18] Is it overheated? [18:18] mancha: I'm always interested in the deeper answer. (don't always expect that one though) [18:18] alienBOB: it's warm... [18:19] alienBOB: but i wouldn't say overheated...the wifi card flashes on right before the post finishes [18:19] alienBOB: and then it flashes back off [18:19] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:20] I g2g see ya all o/ [18:20] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFDF2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [18:20] nyRednek: so even before Linux gets a chance to initialize the card, the light goes off? Is there anything in the `dmesg` output about this card? [18:21] alienBOB: nothing about it [18:21] alienBOB: and it *did* work for months [18:21] and it doesnt seem to have staging drivers like the realtek ones [18:21] alienBOB: i tried to load an ath5k driver manually [18:22] Sounds like a hardware issue to me. Anything in the BIOS that changed? Does your comp have a harware wifi switch? [18:22] alienBOB, do you know if there is any reason to not log the 'WARNING' messages to /var/log/removed_packages/ or so, which displays files that removepkg has left behind ? [18:22] alienBOB: and it doesn't create a wlan0 device anymore on the load of the ath5k module [18:22] alienBOB: no hardware switch [18:22] alienBOB: nothing changed that i know of [18:23] thrice`: not my call, so I don't have an answer for that [18:23] Razec (~razec@187.34.22.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:24] alienBOB: can you program in BASIC ? [18:24] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:25] alienBOB: i feel like an idiot [18:25] alienBOB: it was in the bios [18:25] how can one program in BASIC on linux ? [18:25] many basics you can pick from [18:25] dustybin: by downloading a basic interpreter [18:26] nyRednek: any idea how it got changed? [18:26] adrien: no idea [18:26] or compiler...many basic compilers out there these days [18:27] mancha: the most common basic compiler on linux isn't really basic, but a screwed version of C [18:27] i never compiled BASIC in the old days [18:27] i just pressed run [18:28] HELLO WORLD [18:28] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [18:28] dustybin (~dustybin@wizbox.org) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [18:28] hah [18:28] the problem with basic...the way to do libraries in it is a real PITA [18:28] he must be running centos, someone rooted him and hijacked his connect [18:29] idoru, i wanted to see where he was going with that. [18:29] is wxBasic any good? [18:29] dustybin (dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [18:29] is *basic any good - no [18:30] don't be a hater [18:30] mancha: i never tried it [18:30] mancha: i haven't used basic since ibm basica [18:30] nvision (~nvision@g224249051.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:30] it was scary when the whole "visual" basic fad hit the scene [18:31] 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"; : 20 GOTO 10 [18:32] dustybin: try to do http accesses on basic... [18:32] ?! [18:32] dustybin: worse, try to add reserved keywords to it [18:32] eeek [18:32] dustybin: the http accesses are possibly [18:32] possible, even [18:33] veritos (~veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] the reserved keywords are possible, if you know assembly [18:33] if what you want is a 10 PRINT "hoho" 20 GOTO 10 then you might want chipmunk basic [18:33] small, console, interpreter. [18:34] i think qbasic allowed for function and subroutine definitions that were namespace-callable [18:34] but rexx was slightly better on it [18:35] wharncliffe (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] chipmunk basic might be closed source though (fugly) [18:36] ibm rexx was almost awesome [18:36] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:38] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:39] kritter (anonymous@64.108.5.130) left ##slackware. [18:41] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.101.88.222) joined ##slackware. [18:44] jnylin (~jnylin@c-7471e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:45] nachox (~Ignacio@201.216.213.17) joined ##slackware. [18:48] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: [18:52] how do i add my own CFLAGS to sbopkg so it uses them for every build? [18:55] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.101.88.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:00] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:00] phrag: You can't really [19:01] KaMii (nebulae@91.90.30.50) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[19:55] maybe a bad hardware, check dmesg and /var/log stuff and maybe find some issues [19:55] all though i think part of the problem is when i did a hard disk hot swap, [19:55] i did see some issues on slow response on ata5, which would have been the swapped hard disk [19:55] is it a new install or upgrade from older version? [19:55] new install [19:56] i wiped and installed [19:56] ok, bbl [19:56] although i did use xfs for file system, dont know if that makes a diffrence [19:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [19:59] gniks (~sking@nat-jsq-adm.advance.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:59] check top too... see if a program is sucking up all your memory [20:00] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7CAC3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] i use the System Load Viewer kde applet to keep any eye on my memory and cpus [20:00] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.86.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:01] anything that is going to crash the system will probably makde the load viewer look wrong first [20:01] if i just hot swapped a hd with a cdrom, whats thebest way to get it recognised? [20:03] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Client Quit [20:04] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:05] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) joined ##slackware. [20:09] phrag, you can force a scan echoing "0 0 0" to the device in /sys [20:09] tried that [20:09] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:09] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:09] echo "0 0 0" >/sys/class/scsi_host/host/scan [20:09] just keeps trying to spin the device up [20:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.154) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:11] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.154) joined ##slackware. [20:11] reboot :P [20:11] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [20:11] actually i found an easy way to lock up the pc and that was to "echo -n 2 > throttling" for the cpu's, basically any changes to the cpu throttleing would lock it up. (do opterons support throttleing?) [20:12] artv61test2 (~joe@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:50] phrag: not watching the local happenings in rothbury? ;) [20:51] Elektro (~elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:51] thumbs: an actual dvd, yeh [20:51] BP{k}: oh no! developments? [20:51] phrag: tried the de-interlaced options for mplayer? [20:51] thumbs: no, but will check them out, thanks [20:52] Hrmph... My display shuts off every once in a while (more often if I use arora) and I can't bring it back up without sleeping the laptop :( Any ideas of what it could be? Happens in X only. Using ratpoison WM. [20:53] phrag: see pm :) [20:53] hmm, doesnt help too much [20:53] lol [20:58] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7CAC3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:58] nader (nader@85.133.204.122) left ##slackware. [20:58] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:10] nachox some people use them as their tabletop dvd player too (for movies) [21:11] its cute to how they FF the movies with a gaming panel [21:13] does youtube have html5 videos? i cant find any. im testing firefox 4.0pre2 which is very nice and supposingly can play webm [21:13] mancha, i bought the remote control too [21:14] yes, you need to go to youtube.com/html5 and register to get a cookie [21:14] s/register/activate by pressing button/ [21:14] oh, i have cookies disabled [21:15] no cookie no joy [21:16] how do i change from flash to webm? [21:17] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:17] SpartanV1 (~spartan@adsl-176-81-11.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] change? [21:17] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] anyone using midnight commander here? i got update for ya [21:18] you just need to search for videos that have webm versions, append "&webm;=1" t your searches and it'll limit it to that [21:18] does FF have its own decoder? if it's using gstreamer, you need a newer version than in slackware [21:18] I *think* FF is doing their own, however [21:18] "If you are using a supported browser, you can choose to use the HTML5 player instead of the Flash player for most videos" [21:18] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:18] thats what google says [21:19] thats the html5 "player" [21:19] epiphany has HTML5Tube plugin (for youtube). [21:19] your FF has a webm decoder internally...it'll just play [21:19] SpartanVI (~spartan@adsl-176-4-177.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:20] ok it works now with &webm=1 [21:22] sahko, not all of youtube has been transcoded yet but the list grows daily [21:22] so some vids might not sow up in the webm=1 searches yet [21:23] nice. its not that gentle on cpu usage either, but the videos are better quality (non fullscreen) [21:23] the best on the cpu would be html5 h264 vids [21:24] firefox doesn't do those though. [21:24] you can change the vp8 quality too, there should be a 360p or 720p button at the bottom of the embedded player [21:27] 720p doesnt seem to work so well [21:27] slow connection? [21:27] nvision (~nvision@g224249051.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:27] you probably need 2mpbs+ for a smooth 720p [21:28] the one im viewing one works better [21:28] now* [21:30] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [21:30] ff 4.0 is very speedy in compare to 3.6.x though. thats a nice change. hope it stays that way [21:30] Evenin [21:31] what part is speedy? general rendering? [21:31] yeah rendering [21:32] i might dl it and compile tonight then, you've made me curious [21:33] theres both 32bit and 64bit nightly builds. no need to compiile it [21:33] there's a huge need [21:33] if that thing's gonna do my banking, it will be compiled by me! :) [21:34] or you can check sum it [21:35] better read through all of the code before you compile it too - definitely could contain some backdoors otherwise [21:35] do you guys read code before you compile? [21:35] and someone misses the point *swoosh* [21:36] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [21:36] cpuobsessed (~tim@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] i not only read it, i alphabetize and annotate it [21:36] sahko, how's the cpu/ram footprint compared to 3.6.x? 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[21:45] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:46] starting with no .mozilla 4.0 consumes a bit more [21:46] starting both* [21:46] ?? [21:47] SpartanV1 (~spartan@adsl-176-81-11.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:49] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:49] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) joined ##slackware. [21:52] Redness (~redness@c122-108-211-162.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:52] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EAA5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] starting both with no .mozilla, 4.0 consumes a bit more ram than 3.x [21:55] but its generally the same [21:55] so then it might have been your plugins/extensions on 3.x that were pushing it over 4.0? [21:56] goj (~goj@p5488F726.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] i expect 4.x to be more solid code, they really put a lot of manhours into that gecko upgrade [21:57] also, they've tightned some things...for example it is impossible to get a null ptr deref in 4.x - so no more of those kinds of exploits... [21:57] yeah i had the kde oxygen theme and stuff [22:00] it has an annoying bookmark icon you cant seem to be able to get rid of though [22:00] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:01] in the url bar? [22:01] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [22:02] next to it, its either a bookmark toolbar, or bookmark icon [22:02] cant have none [22:04] jasperhax0r (jasperj@officegateway.ethostream.com) left ##slackware. [22:04] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:05] but rendering is much faster even than rekonq (qtwebkit) here. it doesnt even compare to 3.6 [22:05] brb [22:10] ok I am trying to put a folder on an ftp site. using lftp. command is mirror -R Folder . is this corrent? [22:10] correct? cause it does not create the folder on the ftp just starts dumping the contents of the folder. [22:14] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:17] nvision (~nvision@g224249051.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:19] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-126-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [22:24] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:25] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [22:26] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.31.192) joined ##slackware. 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[23:14] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:14] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:19] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [23:20] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) joined ##slackware. [23:25] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Hmm, no "dict" as a slackware package... odd [23:29] and why would a slack package need a dict? [23:29] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:29] To make more slackware packages... [23:30] I thought everyone knew that... [23:30] a few letters off there :) [23:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:31] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:fbfa:aa09:6292) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:33] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.26.11.164.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:38] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Am I intended to install the jdk package atop the jre package, or remove jre first? [23:39] And is there any harm in doing it the wrong way? [23:40] the jdk replaces the jre - it's best to remove the jre or do the upgradepk jdk%jre method [23:40] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.31.192) left irc: Quit: bye.......... [23:40] 'tis what I figured [23:41] Action: veritos starts digging into the /var/log/scripts to figure out how hard it's going to be to back out the JRE [23:41] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:f8ab:aa09:6dc6) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Action: veritos wishes that gcj decided to support the same CLI options as javac [23:43] ha, I got both packages installed too. whupps. [23:44] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:44] rapid (rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:45] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) joined ##slackware. [23:45] rapid (rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [23:46] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:49] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.78.254.20) joined ##slackware. [23:50] Are there any good public USENET servers left? [23:50] sanguenet (~player@189.26.138.78.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:52] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:54] diven (~diven@cpe-72-183-237-2.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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