[00:01] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] what's the URL for ebay [00:14] jeeze [00:14] they only do phone and catalog services [00:14] they do offer assited suicide devices too [00:14] assisted even [00:15] slashe_r (n=slasher@71-17-28-232.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:16] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@c-69-180-248-119.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] I am surprised my slackware 12.1 system did not update to the daylight savings time this morning. [00:17] mine did. [00:17] maybe you don't have it set correctly [00:17] mine set it correctly [00:17] s is mine. [00:17] boojit (n=boojit@gw.carter.to) joined ##slackware. [00:18] cryptic0: ntpdate pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc [00:18] I am having problems getting sound to work with slackware 12.2. I have an nf4 mobo with AC'97 audio. I have installed the alsa drivers following the tutorial on their website with no problems. Any help as to what I should do next is appreciated. [00:18] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:18] nullboy, is that done as root? [00:18] yeah [00:19] slashe_r: alsaconf? [00:19] nullboy, ntp socket is in use, exiting. [00:19] I rant that and it gives me no errors [00:19] *ran [00:19] cryptic0: you have ntpd running already [00:19] cryptic0: you're running ntpd? [00:19] killall [00:19] I don't know when 12.1 was around but that release's timeframe was before the new daylight time change (2nd Sunday in March), you probably didn't update glibc-zoneinfo. [00:19] I must be, but grep ntpdate is not yielding anything [00:20] slashe_r: alsamixer and make sure it is unmuted [00:20] cryptic0: no, ntpd. [00:20] slashe_r: then alsactl store so it restores your settings when you reboot [00:20] thumbs, nullboy okay it worked now. I had to kill ntpd [00:20] I have unmuted them all [00:20] btw, was this a permanent change? [00:21] i'll try the alsactl [00:21] slashe_r: add yourself to the audio group too [00:21] done that already [00:21] cryptic0: permanent? you can change the time to whatever you want [00:22] nullboy, I meant, will it change back automatically in fall during daylight saving change. [00:22] slashe_r: when you run alsamixer does it show the correct card, I had a funny issue where it was trying to use my ati video card as a sound card [00:22] What's your version of glibc-zoneinfo? [00:22] cryptic0: well your system didn't update in the first place so unless you fix the root of the problem, no [00:22] cryptic0, maybe you will upgrade to 12.2 by fall [00:23] superGear, what will that do? [00:23] nvidia ck804: is that my sound card? [00:23] upgrade your glibc-zoneinfo [00:23] superGear, ah I see. [00:24] There should have been an updated glibc-zoneinfo for 12.1. [00:24] was there an option during installation which will prompt system to keep updated to DST? [00:25] no, slackware install isn't windows install ;P [00:25] slashe_r: I have no idea [00:25] thank you anyway [00:26] slashe_r: on a side note, you shouldn't of had to install the alsa drivers, it should work with the stock slackware kernel [00:26] superGear, :p. [00:26] thanks nullboy and superGear [00:26] have a good night. time to hit the sack. [00:26] you too [00:26] after a fresh install it gave me errors when first booted [00:26] Don't let the bed bugs bite [00:27] once installing the drivers and running ./snddevices it fixed my problem [00:27] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@c-69-180-248-119.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:28] Action: superGear is glad is has an generic sound card [00:28] Realtek HD on board crap [00:36] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are a few things i would like to know. sadly none of them are important" [00:40] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-118-221.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [00:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-78-184.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:42] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-11-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:44] kalasmannen (n=kalasman@h-7-189.A146.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:45] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-118-221.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:45] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:46] steerpike (i=ad4d266d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-77d41c1cc5b68448) joined ##slackware. [00:47] how long should a `fsck.reiser --rebuild-tree...` last on a 100gb disk? [00:47] steerpike: what are the specs of that drive? [00:47] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [00:52] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-105-1-163.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-208-111-237-227-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left ##slackware. [00:53] firebird619: re that xfce icon problem mentioned earlier, it only occurs if you have a user config from 4.4.x present. A fresh installation or a new user account will have no issues. [00:53] I'm working with upstream to try and fix it. [00:53] (not our bug - it's upstream) [00:53] So...can I submit Slackbuilds and not maintain them? [00:53] redtricycle: no? [00:54] so someone else wouldnt choose to maintain it, then? [00:54] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: ":q" [00:54] redtricycle: unless you can find another maintainer. [00:54] is that like buying a car and never changing the oil? [00:54] redtricycle: you'd be doing the community a disservice [00:54] well, the thing with maintaining is [00:54] At this point, if anyone else is interested in it, there's a very small chance of it not already being submitted. [00:54] that you always upgrade to the latest version [00:54] is it really that big of a deal to just update the versions, md5, and link once in a while [00:54] ? [00:54] thumbs: 100GB 5400rpm SATA hard drive [00:54] rworkman: Yes. I had XFCE 4.4 installed it was a fresh install of slackware, new user account, etc. [00:54] nullboy: I'd have to test the slackbuild, instead of merely updating the version, dont I? [00:54] steerpike: ugh [00:54] yes [00:55] Well, I'm talking about synce [00:55] firebird619: that's why you didn't have problems :) [00:55] what's the matter? :\ [00:55] redtricycle: that's not a big deal either...just run thew build script after you change the info [00:55] nullboy, good point, I wouldnt have to install it [00:55] explode the package and check it out [00:55] hum.. [00:55] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:55] Xfce bugzilla is down, but if you want to bookmark this for looking tomorrow: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5067 [00:56] thumbs: what does "ugh" equate to? :\ [00:56] 5hrs? [00:56] rworkman: is there a reason synce isnt in the slackbuilds? [00:56] rworkman: no maintainer, subpar slackbuild, or other? [00:56] steerpike: slow. 5400RPM will kill you. [00:56] rworkman: Yes. :) Xfce 4.6 is really nice. Thanks for making that package available. [00:57] redtricycle: other most likelyt. [00:57] redtricycle: what is synce? [00:57] firebird619: no problem [00:57] firebird619: you saw the update from yesterday or Friday, right? [00:57] rworkman: it's a plugin for claws-mail-extra-plugins .. probably syncs to windows based devices. [00:57] ya, I use it to sync to windows mobile [00:57] and tether my laptop [00:57] So I was curious, if I wrote the slackbuild [00:57] rworkman: Yes. [00:58] if I'd run into problems with getting it on slackbuilds.org [00:58] and I assumed that since I didnt see it already on there, that there must have been a problem getting it on [00:58] steerpike (i=ad4d266d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-77d41c1cc5b68448) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [00:58] that's not always the case at all [00:58] redtricycle: hmm no, I think it's more of a case that noone actually has the ability to test it if it is working properly. [00:59] slashe_r (n=slasher@71-17-28-232.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [00:59] ohh, like the approval process? [00:59] but tell you what. *You* buy me a windows CE device, and I'll write and maintain the slackbuild. :P [00:59] there is plenty of software that no one has written builds for yet [00:59] ^_^ [00:59] ah...that makes sense [00:59] okay, so since I can't submit it to slackbuilds.org [00:59] is there another large slackbuild repos? [00:59] redtricycle: uhm what? [00:59] who said you can't submit it? [01:00] Is there a way to see already submitted slackbuilds? [01:00] yes [01:00] yes [01:00] geez man look at the site [01:00] redtricycle: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/ [01:00] hello Mr. obvious [01:00] and look, we also have shiny search box :) [01:00] =P [01:00] http://slackbuilds.org/pending/ [01:00] ... [01:01] redtricycle: nice to see that you navigated the site before [01:01] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:02] eek, I stopped doing it [01:02] after I started using sbopkg [01:02] navigating the site, that is [01:02] but if you use sbopkg you STILL can see what has been submitted already [01:02] i mean...it's all right there [01:05] Nick change: Raphael_S -> Raphael_S[0FF] [01:05] anybody can help me with dns server? [01:06] Raphael_S[0FF]: uhm .. we *really* do not care you know. [01:08] pingno (n=root@66-190-220-30.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:09] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:10] Raphael_S[0FF]: we don't care [01:10] Raphael_S[0FF]: are you away? [01:11] Raphael_S[0FF]: come back! [01:17] Action: edman007 pokes slackboy [01:18] thumbs, do you can help me with dns server? [01:18] I have been looking for a way to make my MS comfort mouse wheel work [01:19] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [01:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b %Raphael_S[0FF]!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [01:19] I have been editing xorg.conf but scrolling the wheel makes the scroll happen horizontally not vertically [01:20] Raphael_S[0FF]: please don't broadcast that sort of thing to the channel. Once you leave and rejoin the channel, you'll have "voice" again; however, don't do this again. [01:20] Option "Buttons" "7" [01:20] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [01:20] Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" [01:20] Rodrigotr_LOPes (n=wiegraf7@201-92-229-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:21] Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" [01:21] should zaxismapping be 4 5 instead? [01:22] rworkman, nice [01:22] Zygocactus (n=Zygocact@189.77.57.103) left irc: "." [01:23] :) [01:24] it is a microsoft 3000 usb mouse [01:24] the kind that you scroll up and down and left and right [01:26] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-51.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [01:32] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-118-221.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:35] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:35] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:35] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-63-70.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [01:38] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] LopLiii (n=Loor@120.162.9.88) joined ##slackware. [01:40] so I used xev and the up and down are 6 and 7 would I be using the wrong protocol? [01:44] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [01:47] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:47] cjae, should be 6 7 [01:50] edman007, so should I set protocol to auto? [01:50] i usually use imps/2 [01:50] that works with most stuff IIRC [01:50] ok [01:51] actually... ExplorerPS/2 is what i have for my razer diamondback [01:51] which is a many button mouse [01:51] if you have something like that you may need ExplorerPS/2 [01:52] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] ya this is just a plain scroll up down left right, left and right button and middle click = 7 buttons [01:53] vieq (n=vieq@unaffiliated/vieq) joined ##slackware. [01:54] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] hi all, where is mini-slack I can not find it in the FTP site? [01:54] ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [01:55] vieq: mini-slack doesn't exist anymore. [01:55] minislack was turned into zipslack and eventually phased out. [01:55] hufnus (i=root@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] so what do I DL/get to have mini install? [01:55] BP{k}, didn't zipslack turn into zenwalk? [01:56] vieq: define "mini" [01:56] vieq, are you looking for the small boot iso? [01:56] well like mini-ubuntu mini-debian, arch [01:56] yes [01:57] qwaza: I doubt it. zenwalk might have worked off zipslack to begin with although I doubt that. Zipslack was meant to b e installed on top of UMSDOS to run on top of FAT filesystems [01:58] dsl gentoo [01:58] BP{k}, I graped ZenWalk 6.0 cause the core edition is still 5.2 [01:58] but it don't play nicely with VB0X [01:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aclc33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [02:00] I use zenwalk for my laptop [02:00] I use CrunchBang :) [02:00] Action: BP{k} uses slackware ;) [02:01] still do not know what to do [02:01] do I dl the first cd [02:01] bp, does you have an auto-setup script [02:01] that makes slackware to your liking on laptops? [02:01] and see where that will lead to? [02:01] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:01] redtricycle: no. I install most of it .. well minus E/, KDE/, KDEI, F/ [02:02] i have a problem with slack instllation [02:02] do you configure by hand every time you install? [02:02] vieq: I am still not sure what you mean by mini. What is it you want to achieve. [02:02] I was just wondering [02:02] b/.c that was what I end up doing [02:02] lilo boot loader are not loaded when booting [02:02] redtricycle: yes. It's not that much work. [02:02] i just have a win xp part [02:02] any clue? [02:02] BP{k}, I 'll tel you [02:02] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-105-1-163.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [02:02] lilo.conf is ok and lilo been written too mbr too [02:03] I have currently been loveing openbox + many selected apps I use [02:03] do I have to do massive DL's to get those small ones? [02:03] so I thought if there was mini-iso & just dl what I need next it would be easy [02:04] just like mini-ubutu/debian [02:04] vieq: so you want a system that includes X? (cd 1 and 2 would suffice then) [02:04] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-138-230.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] BP{k}, & I can still stop installing from the CD's after I had my basis installed right? [02:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] wahcordian|Work (n=wahcordi@97-123-90-45.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:08] BP{k}, ? [02:09] vieq, you can install whatever you want... [02:10] if you want people in here to help you, install everything [02:10] edman007, I have used SlackWare before..... [02:10] what are the specs of your system? do you have a real reason why you can't just install everything? [02:11] it's not the system!, it's the net connection it self! [02:11] do you know how long it 'll take me to DL the dvd ISO? [02:11] vieq: if you have used Slackware before, you should not have to ask these question. But edman007 has a point so my "official" point of view is this: [02:11] 3 1/2 full days ! [02:12] it was 10 back then [02:12] & I do not know what's the current status of Slackware that's why I asked [02:12] yes you can mix and pick whatever you want, but we are not that fond of trouble shooting problems that come from mix and pick installs. Like I said, your best bet is to download CD 1 and 2. [02:13] BP{k}, thank you very much [02:13] vieq (n=vieq@unaffiliated/vieq) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:13] ..... wow. [02:13] ... [02:13] much trouble I forsee in the future. [02:13] agreed [02:14] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) left irc: No route to host [02:17] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-155-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) joined ##slackware. [02:21] and edman007 will have to help him [02:21] me? 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[04:06] horray mouse scrolling [04:08] how hard is it to update slackware? [04:08] so hard [04:09] well I am coming here from ubuntu so I can learning something from this distro [04:09] so slapt-get probably is not going to teach me much [04:10] i rsync a copy of a mirror and use slackpkg. you can manually do it too [04:10] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [04:10] plus I like the idea of kiss in slackware. although you have to configure a lot of things they are not done the hard way [04:11] eg. fstab [04:11] no uuid crap [04:11] what? [04:11] you can use uuid [04:11] it's not crap [04:11] but it a lot easier to not use it [04:11] it has a purpose... [04:12] and the drive performs just as well right [04:12] mounting using a uuid doesn't change performance [04:13] right so if I have not use for it then why use it (kiss) [04:13] ... [04:14] i use a uuid for my sata disk bay because if i plug a usb drive in before the sata disk is attached the usb disk gets the next sdX style name. if i use the uuid i can plug the sata disk in at anytime with usb disks already attached and the system will mount it properly because the UUID is unique [04:14] the keep it simple stupid pharse [04:14] there is a perfectly solid reason to use uuid in fstab [04:14] using a uuid is not crap [04:15] ok [04:17] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:22] nullboy, manual way very hard or should I just do it your way first [04:22] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [04:22] hello hello [04:23] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [04:23] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:23] just download the updates from the patches directory in the mirrors to a local dir and then use upgradepkg if you want to do it manually [04:24] Nick change: Patzy_ -> Patzy [04:24] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [04:24] nullboy, does updating break anything if you don't update or files if that makes any sense, or does upgradepkg take care of it [04:26] well if you don't update in the first place nothing can get messed up anyway. if you use upgradepkg nothing should break [04:27] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-1-143.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:28] nullboy, ok thank you [04:28] if you don't update you can possibly expose your system to exploits or bugs [04:31] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [04:33] nullboy, right I just found /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and uncommented one and ran slackpkg update but seems like server is slow [04:33] try another then [04:33] I did this I do not know how to download multiple files from a http or site [04:34] any reason why apache would interpret .php file in htconf but not in htdocs/openengine/cms ? [04:34] I just see text there [04:36] nullboy, should an update be done fron the console or something or certain run level or is terminal ok [04:37] terminal is fine [04:38] if you are updating 'x/kde/xfce/whatever other gui related stuff' you might want to get out of X first [04:39] ok [04:40] read the changelog to see if there are any remarks about the updates [04:41] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp2-guest011111.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:41] cjae: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/ChangeLog.txt [04:44] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.101.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:52] Greetings ##slackware:) [09:58] I love waking up in the morning to good news. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/07/01/1214678002801.html /sarcasm [09:59] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [10:02] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.60) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:06] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:07] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [10:07] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.12.102) joined ##slackware. [10:14] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [10:14] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:14] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:32] patch [10:32] dissociative: aren't most rj45 ports autosensing nowadays? [10:32] thumbs: youd be surprised how few [10:33] Zordrak: really? [10:33] my boss broke the coffee machine -_- [10:34] thumbs: how often do you buy brand new equipment and how often is the equipment of a recent design generation [10:34] die! die! die! kill! kill! kill!! [10:34] slackytude: mine stopped providing free filter coffee [10:35] Zordrak, trying to save money? [10:35] *nod* [10:35] but I'm using old hardware [10:35] thats a sure sign you are going down [10:35] like from around 2002 [10:35] dissociative: patch [10:36] I would need a patch to crossover adapter [10:36] no [10:36] 19 days without changes in current :( [10:36] youd need a crossover to patch adapter [10:36] ah yes [10:37] necropresto: c. 5000 days of stability [10:37] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:38] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:40] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "leaving" [10:40] Wow.. what a good guess [10:41] 5715 days of stability and counting [10:41] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] calc 5715/385.25 = 14.834523 years [10:43] I still dont feel the need of upgrading to 12.2 [10:43] calc 5715/365.25 = 15.646817 years [10:44] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-11-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [10:49] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [10:50] giuppy (n=giuppy@host250-174-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:54] elvispresley (n=Elvis@201.47.15.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:55] hi all [10:55] is there anyway to reduce the unnecessary stuffs being loaded on boot? [10:55] not the services, but things from the kernel [10:56] recompile [10:56] IntangibleLiquid: use kernel-generic [10:56] IntangibleLiquid: unload the modules you don't use. [10:56] IntangibleLiquid: it loads only what u will use [10:57] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [10:57] necropresto, what's the difference with smp? [10:57] does it reduce the performance or anything? [10:59] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: Client Quit [10:59] IntangibleLiquid: kernel-generic-smp... [10:59] IntangibleLiquid: multiple processors or cores [11:00] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:00] So now that qemu 10 is out, there's really no need to install kvm because it's in the kernel anyway, right? [11:00] IntangibleLiquid: Pretty much no matter what you have use generic-smp and either compile in HDD controller driver and FS driver (*as i do) or use initrd [11:01] gtg to work, bah [11:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:01] IntangibleLiquid: verify your sata module with lspci -v [11:01] I mean their modules are more up to date, but the modified qemu version isn't necessary because those changes have been addressed in upstream as well it seems. Waiting for the updates, so I can install it :) [11:01] IntangibleLiquid: in my case BusLogic [11:02] IntangibleLiquid: so run mkinitrd -c -m BusLogic:ext3 [11:02] alkos333: I believe you still have to install kvm if you want to use it unless qemu 10 comes with kvm as well but I do not pay attention to kvm very much [11:02] IntangibleLiquid: and add initrd = /boot/initrd.gz in lilo.conf [11:04] anyone knowS how i configure 3d usb adaptor on slack? [11:04] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.3) joined ##slackware. [11:04] kitche: Well, there are default modules in the kernel. The reason I installed kvm before was because I needed the userspace program which was a modified version of qemu, but version 10.0 has KVM support now [11:04] necropresto, i don't think i ahve any sata [11:04] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] the hdd is an ata i think [11:05] IntangibleLiquid: you have to put filesystem module at leasrt [11:06] least* [11:06] it's using the ata_piix driver [11:08] IntangibleLiquid: grep -i piix /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [11:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:08] CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=y [11:09] IntangibleLiquid: you need only fs module inside initrd [11:09] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] necropresto, that is correct. so how do I rephrase the mkinitrd command? [11:10] mkinitrd -c -m ext3 i guess :) [11:13] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:15] IntangibleLiquid: yes [11:15] elvispresley (n=Elvis@201.47.15.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] necropresto, so next thing is add the initrd = /boot/initrd.gz to the lilo conf file, and reboot? [11:16] IntangibleLiquid: dont forget to run "lilo" to update mbr [11:16] another question: I compiled the broadcom wireless driver for the current system, will i have to recompile it for the new generic kernel? [11:16] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] IntangibleLiquid: do u use smp? [11:16] huge-smp [11:17] uname -r: 2.6.27.7-smp [11:17] so it's not huge? [11:18] its huge [11:18] the problem occurs when u change to/from a smp to a single kernel [11:18] but your module will work well [11:18] ok [11:19] i'll try [11:19] hopefully nothing goes wrong b/c i lost the cd [11:19] IntangibleLiquid: so dont add initrd to your lilo [11:19] IntangibleLiquid: add another linux entry [11:20] necropresto: hi! How are things on the other side of the ocean? [11:21] alienBOB: hi!!! its very hot here [11:21] its summer!!! [11:21] IntangibleLiquid: puts these lines inte your lilo.conf: [11:21] IntangibleLiquid: http://pastebin.com/m4c31025d [11:22] IntangibleLiquid: run lilo and reboot... choose Linux-generic [11:22] steerpike (i=420795a1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a07c4b95bf238d6a) joined ##slackware. [11:22] hi! [11:22] i just figured out how to use my cellphone as a modem with t-mobileweb [11:23] but i'm not sure what the default gateway should be :\ [11:24] so far i've been able to use the browser through the t-mobile proxy [11:25] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:27] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.57.103) joined ##slackware. [11:27] anyone use wvdial? [11:28] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:32] taquito (i=1000@75.22.56.2) joined ##slackware. [11:33] steerpike: used to [11:33] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:33] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] steerpike: used it to have nagios dial a number for notifications [11:33] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:4cb) joined ##slackware. [11:33] oh [11:33] replaced it with smsd&&gnokii [11:34] i'm trying to use mine as a gprs/edge modem [11:34] taquito (i=1000@75.22.56.2) left irc: Client Quit [11:34] *shrug* [11:34] clijunkie (i=pberry@67.223.226.64) joined ##slackware. [11:34] i found mobiles + manual AT = fail [11:34] hence using gnokii [11:35] how do you add a default gateway? :\ [11:35] route add default gw f.o.o? [11:35] for like regular w/lan, you just do `route add default gw ` [11:35] but i don't know what to do with the mobile service [11:36] rather, i don't what the router ip is.. so far i've only been able to get online via t-mobile's http proxy [11:37] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.12.102) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.12.102) joined ##slackware. [11:40] necropresto, the new boot process looks exactly like the old one [11:41] othermindszine (n=othermin@155.sub-70-193-254.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:41] IntangibleLiquid: yes [11:41] but look lsmod [11:41] othermindszine (n=othermin@155.sub-70-193-254.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:42] othermindszine (n=othermin@155.sub-70-193-254.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] IntangibleLiquid: i think you want to look at /etc/rc.d/rc.modules and also chmod a-x some rc scripts [11:43] necropresto, then the M will be optimized for my system, but the built-in drivers of the kernel are the same, regardless of generic or huge [11:44] Zordrak, I see what you mean. To conclude, I will have to compile my own kernel if I want something faster and get rid of the unnecessary built-in drivers [11:44] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [11:47] IntangibleLiquid: no... built-in modules arent the same [11:47] compare /boot/config-* [11:47] pingno (n=root@66-190-220-30.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] necropresto, there are many different versions [11:49] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-224.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] josemanuel (n=josemanu@99.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:51] holdmypocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:57] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "leaving" [12:00] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b90fe2a173bcd5ab) left irc: [12:04] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-5d815e17.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [12:04] hi there :) [12:04] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp2-guest011111.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [12:05] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-204-93.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Success [12:05] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:07] is there a mailserver you would suggest? [12:07] wakeup: postfix? [12:07] sendmail does not seems to do its job, and before I figure it out I maybe want to decide to learn to use another mailserver :) [12:08] wakeup: postfix is smaller, faster and easier to configure. [12:08] what about qmail? [12:08] steerpike (i=420795a1@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a07c4b95bf238d6a) left ##slackware. [12:08] I've never used it. [12:09] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-1105.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:09] I guess going for postfix seems a good idea, since slackbuilds got it :) [12:09] I concur. [12:10] I use it on many production servers. [12:10] wakeup: I would caution you against using qmail. While I am a heavy user of qmail, I think that solution is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain in today's email server environment. [12:10] and hello thumbs! long time! [12:11] rtcg: long time no see indeed. How are you? [12:11] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] I'm "doing" thumbs! :) Day by day! [12:11] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.12.105) joined ##slackware. [12:11] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89C90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [12:11] ramping up a new slackserver .. latest packages and functionality. [12:12] rtcg: nice nice. [12:12] rtcg: keep slackin'! [12:12] switching from postfix -> qmail to straight qmail. [12:13] rtcg: fail [12:13] excited about samba4 coming out..but going to continue with the Samba3+LDAP setup on slack. (using ldapsam:posix) [12:13] how so, Zordrak ? [12:14] not really intending to troll.. just seriously skewed postfix > qfail [12:15] Sasha1 (n=r6h3m4u1@shellium/member/sasha1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] mtk2 (n=Unknown@61.17.165.139) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Zordrak: DOH!! s/straight\ qmail/straight\ postfix [12:17] is that better? [12:17] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Much :) [12:18] Action: rtcg has been in a non-updated-with-the-times-qmail land too long. [12:18] Action: Zordrak longs for the day Pat decides to standardise on postfix [12:18] but i suspect the day will never come [12:20] I'm really excited about the new package tools. I'm skipping 12.1 and going straight to 12.2. I've done package.SlackBuilds so far and hope the new tools don't barf a slack install. [12:20] r-tz (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [12:20] I came here looking at the topic to get the name of the channel's favorite package tool, but I didn't see it in the topic this time. [12:20] Nick change: r-tz -> rizitis [12:21] slackpkg for updating/installing offical ones [12:21] You know, I had a customer DEMAND sendmail on a server -- that eventually got owned through sendmail. (course it was also a RedHat server -- but still) [12:21] sbopkg for automating the slackbuilds.org process [12:22] Has anything replaced checkinstall officially? I see slacktrack mentioned. [12:23] rtcg: yes, you need to go to www.slackbuilds.org [12:23] rtcg: making slackbuilds is the new 'trendy' way of making packages. [12:24] g9 slackers [12:24] sbopkg.. got it. Well, back in the Samba3+LDAP editposix days.. I was building all SORTS of samba packages with slackbuild. Simo had me applying patches and other 'stuff'. I'm pretty comfortable with slackbuilds. I'll check out the uh.. (checks webpage) [12:24] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.12.102) left irc: "Leaving" [12:25] thumbs: actually, slackbuilds have been part of Slackware for long time - 'sbopkg' is the new trendy way of managing slackbuilds :) [12:25] alisonken1noc: fine. [12:26] ACTUALLY...... [12:26] HAHAHAH [12:26] sbopkg is the new trendy way of managing [12:27] sbopkg is the new trendy way of managing SBo slackbuilds [12:27] ie slackbuilds.org [12:27] Zordrak: picky picky picky :) [12:27] you started it :) [12:27] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:28] yes, it's the dialog front end of managing slackbuilds.org - but it's also getting additions to work with slamd64 [12:29] slackware/postfix how-to's anyone? ;) [12:30] wakeup: google? [12:30] wakeup: postfix will work out of the box as configured. [12:30] ok - is it slackware or is it postfix you want how-tos on? [12:30] wakeup: otherwise, ask #postfix for basic guides. [12:31] I will look how far I get and report back in when anything fails :) [12:31] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.3) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:31] wakeup: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html [12:32] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] thx thumbs [12:32] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn30.78-99-23.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:33] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Operation timed out [12:35] chilkewar (n=chilkewa@203.115.68.32) joined ##slackware. [12:36] ?? [12:36] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:37] postfix is easy [12:37] removepkg sendmail [12:37] sbopkg [12:37] search postfix [12:37] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [12:37] make a local copy of the slackbuild if you want changes [12:37] hello all [12:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:37] build&&install [12:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:38] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [12:38] I miss some deps "No include file found." [12:39] then install berkeleyDB [12:39] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] I find 4 different db packages :| [12:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) joined ##slackware. [12:40] its not SBo it's part of slack [12:40] use slackpkg [12:40] yeah I find 4 db's with slackpkg [12:40] db42, db44, db3, db4 [12:40] db4 [12:40] ok [12:41] or 44 [12:41] just diff vers [12:41] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [12:41] yeah I figured that, but still I was confused :> [12:42] seems i have 42 AND 44 side by side [12:42] yeah [12:42] install both [12:42] plutonas (n=plutonas@c-83-233-152-13.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] thats what a defaul/t slack 12.2 install does [12:42] gotta catch them all :D [12:43] berzerkeley [12:43] "just do what pat does" [12:43] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:43] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:43] yeah I was kind of picky at installation of slackwar, as an arch user I was teached that way [12:43] actually what's up with that? 4 different versions of berzerkely DB with 4 different APIs? [12:45] as far as i am concerned anything but a full install is daft unless HDD space is limited [12:45] Action: BP{k} finds that a pretty funny statement [12:45] so long as you only enable the daemons you want [12:45] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.141) joined ##slackware. [12:46] and keep all that junk lying around? [12:46] I dunno about "daft", but it's convenient for sure [12:46] So arch teaches you to be picky, but lacking google skills? ;) Seems the way forward [12:47] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] mtk2: why not.. means it's there when you need it... and if you have a reasonable sized disk.. why the hell not [12:47] dunno how many times I've tried to troubleshoot someone's debian/ubuntu/whatever box that's having network issues... and they don't have traceroute or dig/host/nslookup installed... and the only way to install it is apt-get which won't work because the network's broken... [12:48] Urchlay: THERE'S my point [12:48] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Zordrak, it is actually personal choice. Some people are minimalists, others are pragmatic and others just don't care. [12:48] of course debian's "full install" would include conflicting packages (sendmail, postfix, exim, *and* qmail, IIRC) [12:48] who gives a toss about wasting a couple of gig when you can get a 640GB disk for £40 [12:49] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:49] Urchlay: troo.. i wousdnt necc do a full on any distro [12:49] but would do nowt else on slack [12:49] i love that i hardly ever have to go find random libraries for deps, cause slack installed them all [12:50] doing a full install on debian I guess would be like doing a full Slack install, plus installing evey package from slackbuilds.org [12:50] and with a custom kernel and minimal daemons running it's still tasty-fast [12:50] s/evey/every/; [12:50] Urchlay: *nod* [12:51] j0z (n=JESUS@189-31-214-1.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:51] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [12:51] hi all [12:54] hi arny [12:55] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [12:56] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [12:56] hm, maybe in a couple years when blu-ray drives are common, we'll be able to have a bluray disc with all of slackware + all of SBo [12:56] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Slack via SSD! [12:57] Urchlay: by then slack + SBo's would have grown enough to not fit on a blueray [12:57] likely, yeah [12:57] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Connection timed out [12:57] i guess peple would say the same when moving from floppys to cds [12:57] I don't miss installing slackware from floppies [12:57] ...or windows 95, for that matter [12:58] well /me didn't have a computer back then [12:58] tbh i think an SBo disc would be pretty useless [12:58] eh, not useless, but limited [12:58] very [12:58] too many SBo scripts have optional stuff, if you did a binary package disc you'd have to pick the options [12:59] i wouldnt do a bin [12:59] but theres too much fluctuation [12:59] I would, if I were trying to burn it all on one disc [12:59] otherwise no point in doing it as a disc... [12:59] slack can do it because it works on a release/patch/release sched [12:59] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] i guess it's kinda like doing isos of -current [13:00] yeah [13:00] not worth bothering [13:00] some people like that, though [13:00] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] some people like to whap their balls out at air hostesses... but i don't recommend it [13:01] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] why not? it's fun [13:01] not I... but I do like the idea of e.g. a slackware 12.2 iso that's had the old packages replaced with the ones from patches/ [13:01] plutonas: the jail time for a start [13:02] getting caught is something else [13:02] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:02] i don't think any people like getting caught while doing this [13:02] but they like to do it [13:02] plutonas: whap balls out at air hostess = Bubba's balls whapped out at you while his mates watch and threaten to shiv you [13:02] gak [13:03] not neccesarily [13:03] I could do without that mental image [13:03] but i think Urchlay doesn't like the idea of a disk with SBo's anymore [13:03] so now I have the same behaviour I had with sendmail; mails get sent to a user, but when I log in with that user and execute mail, it says no new mail [13:03] Action: Urchlay quietly vomits in the corner [13:03] any ideas? maybe mailx checks the wrong mbox? [13:04] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] wakeup: I don't really know... but have you tried other mail clients? (alpine, mutt?) [13:04] check hde spool [13:04] wakeup: system user -vs- virtual user? [13:04] check the spool [13:04] that'd narrow it down to either a sendmail fault (if no client works) or a mailx fault [13:04] how do I check it Zordrak ? [13:05] wakeup: Did your message store show the message being delivered?? [13:05] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] wakeup: look for /var/spool/mail/? [13:05] wakeup: less /var/spool/mail/user [13:06] mtk2 (n=Unknown@61.17.165.139) left irc: "Leaving" [13:06] only root got a file in /var/spool/mail/ [13:06] plus he got an mbox file in /root/, where pat's introduction mails are in [13:06] ok, so sendmail is doing something else with the incoming mail... [13:06] I am using postfix atm [13:06] ah [13:07] what are you using for an MDA? [13:07] (e.g. procmail... does postfix include its own mail delivery agent?) [13:07] postdrop [13:07] well, better check its config + logs? [13:07] Action: Urchlay don't know postfix [13:08] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [13:08] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:08] buenas tardes [13:10] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.141) left irc: ":wq" [13:10] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-24.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] mrjohns (n=mrjohns@201.254.160.196) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Kenjiro: en_US and not es_AR [13:10] Mar 9 18:01:13 cap postfix/local[22197]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory [13:10] Kenjiro: buenas dias [13:11] guess thats it [13:11] wakeup: run "newaliases" [13:11] postalias: fatal: open /etc/aliases: No such file or directory [13:11] does /etc/aliases exist? [13:11] necropresto: crap, I should have joined ##slackware-br *LOL* [13:11] sorry [13:11] he [13:11] h [13:12] but then... now I am staying *LOL* [13:12] mbhayes: nope [13:12] what about /etc/postfix/aliases? [13:12] Does anyone have any warnings against setting the Intel disk controller into AHCI mode for a Slack 12.2 installation? [13:12] no [13:12] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "You can't fire me....." [13:12] wakeup: you need to do some config [13:13] rtcg: i dont have any warn [13:13] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn30.78-99-23.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:13] wakeup: you need to go into main.cf and master.cf and config your basics [13:14] wakeup: which includes the location and storage type of your basic lookups like aliases [13:14] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn-137.95-102-13.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:14] mbhayes: /etc/postfix/aliases does exist [13:14] wakeup: yeah.. but your config doesnt point to it [13:14] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] wakeup: main.cf [13:16] wakeup: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases [13:16] wakeup: cp /etc/postfix/aliases /etc/aliases [13:16] newaliases [13:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] thx [13:17] the same goes for other maps [13:17] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] before use.. read the docs and go through ALL the params in main.cf [13:18] use vim.. the colouring will help [13:19] That's enough being nice for this year... the next Q gets a "RTFM! *headdesk*" :) [13:20] mrjohns (n=mrjohns@201.254.160.196) left irc: "Leaving" [13:20] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware. 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[13:30] and I wouldn't depend on a symlink [13:30] just because upgrades will possibly break that [13:30] Matt! :) [13:30] acidchild: sup man [13:30] arny: we don't care :) [13:31] Nothing much, watching some weird HBO thing. [13:31] acidchild: Sorry I missed you this weekend.. was spending time with my daughter an dthe xbox 360 hehe [13:31] mbhayes: i use /etc/aliases for compatability [13:31] mbhayes: -shrugs- no worries. dubstep is broken :-( [13:31] acidchild: what's wrong with it? [13:31] seems to be runing fine to me... [13:31] i had to reinstall glib-etc* [13:31] again? [13:31] glibc-solibs [13:31] ttfn [13:32] yeah i did a upgrade with slackpkg :/ [13:32] wth is doing that... [13:32] :/ [13:32] mkfs wont work very well at all [13:32] i think its gotta do with glibc-solibs [13:33] well my question is.. [13:33] what the hell is causing it [13:33] acidchild: I hate to say it.. I thnk its time to do a full backup.. and reinstall [13:33] and don't rely on the backups on /extra since its a raid5 array [13:33] yeah [13:33] chilkewar (n=chilkewa@203.115.68.32) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] meaning.. the backups are probably good.. but there's no guarantee that the array will be left a lone during install.. hehe [13:34] as long as you do the OS install to /dev/sdc.. probably be ok.. [13:34] chilkewar (n=chilkewa@203.115.68.32) joined ##slackware. [13:34] just reconfigure the raid5 array after the install completes. [13:34] not sure how that would affect it.. shouldn't though as long as they are untouched during the installation [13:35] Nick change: Raphael_S[0FF] -> Raphael_S [13:35] mbhayes: :| [13:35] yeah [13:35] Nick change: Raphael_S -> Raphael_S[0FF] [13:36] maybe we'll wait [13:36] acidchild: I just dunno.. hard to say.. [13:36] and i'll get 5 1TB sata drives [13:36] I don't think its hardware related [13:36] and revamp dubstep [13:36] acidchild: and dual quad-cores right? [13:36] with 16GB of ram? [13:36] hehehe [13:36] maybe 8GB [13:36] I can always dream [13:36] i dunno about the CPU though, maybe though, my desktop could do with a lil more juice [13:37] heh [13:37] I don't care.. dubstep is fine the way it is [13:37] i care :X [13:37] be nice to have more drive space, but other than that.. its fine... just needs a reinstall [13:37] acidchild: well something has to be corrupting the libs.. [13:37] the only thing it *could* be is that /dev/sdc is bad [13:37] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [13:37] since that is where /usr/lib is hehe [13:38] and the only real way to test that is to set fsck to go on startup and reboot the box [13:38] me_ (n=me_@89.240.110.215) joined ##slackware. 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[14:00] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:00] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-221.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) left irc: [14:01] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] heh [14:05] Wow.. I didn't see that coming! [14:05] Is there a way to copy the partition table from one drive to another? dd if= of= doesn't do logical partitions. and I can't seem to find a way in cfdisk. [14:06] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:06] me_ (n=me_@89.240.110.215) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:07] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:07] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:08] I don't think you should. [14:09] you can create it manually, of course. [14:09] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:4cb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:09] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:4cb) joined ##slackware. [14:11] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] yeah... It'd be nice though to be able to duplicate partition tables across drives when setting up software raid1 [14:19] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [14:19] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-93-4.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] rtcg: you want sfdisk [14:20] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:20] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [14:20] thx [14:24] energy (n=intranet@189.74.154.198) joined ##slackware. [14:26] c-square (n=countcob@d54C37FCE.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [14:26] Nick change: Shingoshi_ -> Shingoshi [14:27] Pessoal tenho aqui no meu squid um arquivo contendo os sites liberados para a galera aqui, ou seja eles so acessam os sites que adiciono aqui no arquivo, tem como eu adicionar um ip para acesso geral mais ele ser barrado pelos sites que estao na lista de negados ? [14:27] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [14:27] energy: English. [14:27] oops [14:28] Nick change: energy -> u7pL [14:28] u7pL (n=intranet@unaffiliated/u7pl) left ##slackware. [14:28] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:29] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) joined ##slackware. [14:32] energy: no habla espanol en la canal [14:32] dammit. [14:32] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] thumbs: that wasn't spanish :p [14:32] P4C0: it was an attempt. [14:33] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:33] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [14:33] thumbs: :) you were close :) [14:33] P4C0: correct me, if you don't mind. [14:33] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:33] thumbs: portuguese [14:34] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] P4C0: no I mean what would be the proper way to say it in Spanish? [14:36] thumbs: oh, "no hables espanol en el canal" (don't speak spanish in the channel), or "no se habla espanol en el canal" (no spanish in this channel), about portuguese, I have no idea [14:36] P4C0: thank you. [14:37] I was not that far, indeed [14:37] yup [14:37] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:38] Action: thumbs goes back to studying Spanish [14:39] P4C0: "não fale espanhol no canal" or "não se fala espanhol no canal" [14:39] necropresto: great! [14:39] brazilian portuguese [14:39] necropresto: I meant to learn Portuguese as well [14:40] :) I think 70% of slackware users are from brazil :p [14:40] thumbs: came visit us in Brazil [14:40] surely. [14:40] I meant to do that. [14:41] do you actually do any of the things you mean to? [14:41] i wonder how does chinese people do to type fast... i saw once a chinese keyword and it was crazy [14:42] josemanuel: I try. [14:42] P4C0: the chinese probably wonder the same about us. [14:42] thumbs, do, or do not: there is no try [14:42] thumbs: alienBOB and rworkman came to Brazil last year [14:43] BP{k}: or they type in english, lot's of chinese people can't write, and I read somewhere that it's easier for them to learn english than to learn how to type in mandarin [14:44] cubas (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [14:44] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:44] necropresto: yeah, I'd love to come. [14:44] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:45] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-194580.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:46] necropresto: did they get caipirinas and garotas? [14:47] uhauha [14:47] capirinhas!!! of course! [14:47] :) [14:47] cachaça [14:47] they got drunk. uhauhauha [14:48] necropresto: cachaça, that like a type of rum? like between rum and dry rum? [14:49] P4C0: i dont know dry rum [14:50] shad0w (n=shad0w@79.107.174.251) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.79) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] P4C0: but cachaça is a distilled made from sugarcane too [14:51] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009104207.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:52] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [14:52] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [14:52] necropresto: I think I tried it once... but can't say for sure, i was too drunk already :p [14:53] uhuhauha [14:53] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Well o well, slackware really got me this time.. [14:56] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [14:56] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] ils: oh? [14:57] I boot up this morning, and slackware just starts spitting out error and ends with a kernel panic. I just finally got slack 12.2 running the way I like it. [14:57] Default kernel, nothing really changed. [14:58] And also I lost both home and system partitions... all corrupted [15:01] I booted into a live cd and apparently the all the partitions are there, windows was untouched but both linux partitions are corrupted or something as I can't mount them. [15:01] and you did nothing? [15:01] nope not a single thing [15:02] Didnt make no sytem changes nor installed anything [15:02] Rather depressing. Luckly I backed up most of my passwords just a week ago on a usb stick. [15:03] sounds like hardware related [15:03] Yeah but why would windows be fine then? You'd think the whole drive to get affected in that case. [15:03] ils: can you use smartctl from the live cd? [15:04] ils: ext3 file system? [15:04] smartctl? never heard of that [15:05] and I've been runnin zfs on both partitions [15:05] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] ils: it's to poll the S.M.A.R.T. values from the hard drive, that can give you information of disk failure [15:06] Ah got it. Is it installed on most linux systems? er live cds .. [15:06] zfs? [15:06] since when does linux support zfs out of fuse? [15:06] ils: maybe, but i'm not sure, you will have to try [15:06] P4C0: rworkman got very very drunk from cachaça when we visited Sao Paulo... I did not touch the stuff [15:07] alienBOB: :) [15:07] Alan_Hicks got more drunk than me. Much more. [15:08] Alan_Hicks did not need the cachaça to get drunk ;-) [15:08] In fact, it was Alan that passed out. You and I stayed up and coded. :) [15:08] i drank over a fifth of tequila saturday...i was fucked up [15:08] ouch [15:08] tequila hangover is the worst! [15:08] HE got so drunk he almost believed us the day after when we told him he was visited by a collection of assorted melons [15:08] s/hangover// [15:08] brb [15:08] three of us tackled a galon [15:08] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:09] hehehe [15:09] robby, i only get good stuff [15:09] Impossible with tequila. [15:09] cheap tequila is nasty [15:09] s/cheap// [15:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:09] patron is good..but not enough bite for me [15:09] i like jose cuervo gold [15:10] thats what we had..a gallon of the gold [15:10] jose's reserve is good [15:10] then there was crown..and captn...and the girls had malibu [15:11] saturday was a bad night o.O [15:11] hehe [15:12] i still smell tequila [15:12] lol [15:12] and taste it [15:12] i cant have any for a while...ill get sick [15:12] I'll go back to 'ol' faithful...captain morgan [15:14] cubas (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] Alright, I ran smartctl and it said that my drive doesn't support? it [15:18] toor (i=1001@aokneufi.dyndns.org) left ##slackware. [15:19] For fun I ran gparted and it won't stop scanning.. geez [15:19] try smartctl -s on -S on /dev/XXX [15:20] what are you trying to do in the first place? [15:21] Well, I booted up this morning and slackware started erroring like mad and ends will a panic. And also my system/home partitons seemly are gone. [15:21] Windows is uneffected though [15:22] Just trying to hopely get back into my home and recover what I can I guess. [15:22] and what were the errors? [15:22] "slackware started erroring like mad" ...what? [15:23] I don't remember exactly but it kept saying like it was missing files and such then got a kernel panic. [15:23] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-194002.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:24] With zfs. [15:24] first off, if the disk is failing or a bad sector has come up you need to stop trying to use that disk and use a liveCD or another system to recover any data off of it [15:24] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Second time I rebooted and I somehow booted up. I couldnt start X but it seems like it somehow restored itself back ... with my files from 2 months back. Creepy.. third boot just goes back to panic mode. [15:25] ... [15:25] I know.. [15:25] and this is a one year old laptop [15:25] it's not creepy and it isn't voodoo or magic. you've had a failure [15:25] of what kind? [15:25] sounds like a disk or fs issue [15:25] ugh [15:26] so stop booting that disk and use a liveCD to test it and fsck the filesystems on it [15:27] What options do I need to pass on to use fsck from a live cd? [15:27] DoNoBaN (i=1000@77.208.101.185) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:30] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [15:30] ils: try smartctl if available on the livecd [15:30] ils: what model disk is it? [15:30] root__ (n=nukedclx@bql206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:31] fujitsu mhw2120bh if I'm correct. [15:31] if smartctl is saying smart is not supported it either needs to be enabled in the bios or enabled by smartctl -s on -S on [15:32] Let me try the smartctl again [15:33] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:35] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:35] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [15:37] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) joined ##slackware. [15:37] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:37] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-194580.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [15:37] Greetings Programs [15:37] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:38] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Greetings NyteOwl. How are you? [15:41] hi firebird619. Surviving :) [15:41] you? [15:41] good, thanks. [15:43] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] I tried those smartctl options nullboy , no luck. Just says drive can't support smart. [15:44] ils: what version of slackware are you running? [15:44] 12.2 [15:44] did you check the bios for smart settings? [15:45] mujo (n=Mujo@74.94.204.102) joined ##slackware. [15:45] If only I could remember which key boots me in bios lol [15:45] del? [15:45] I'm sure you can press all the keys on your keyboard in less than 2 seconds :) [15:45] f12 [15:46] I tried most of those.. ugh [15:46] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:46] ils: what brand laptop? [15:46] I swear no sony product is ever ever coming into my house even if it's free. [15:47] try F2 [15:47] or F3 [15:47] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aclc33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:47] alright I'll try some more hehe [15:47] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:48] Camarade_Tux: just drop a big book on it :) [15:49] Nick change: UdontKnow -> KnightWhoSaysNi [15:49] the other trick is to just cause a keyboard error ;) [15:49] Is it possible to set a var to the result of a shall command in make? [15:49] I usually start at Esc and press the whole line of keys : Esc, F1-12, Pause, Print Screen/Sys Rq., Inser, Del [15:50] (that's a laptop) and then, backspace :) [15:50] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] NyteOwl, I already tried, unfortunately it doesn't work very well =/ [15:50] Camarade_Tux: after F12 on thei keyboard comes "Wake Up", "Sleep", "Power" :) [15:51] s/thei/this/ [15:51] nullboy I got inside the bios and found no such settings. [15:51] sigh [15:51] ils: does your disk detect as sdX or hdX ? [15:52] sdX [15:52] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:52] i find it hard to believe that a modern sata 2.5" disk doesn't support smart but if that really is the case i'm not surprised that piece of crap failed [15:52] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:52] if it's sdX it should have smart capabilities... no? [15:52] P4C0: see above [15:53] nullboy: sorry, lag [15:53] Well, the hard drive didn't really "fail" as I'm booted off of it in windows [15:53] Nick change: Raphael_S[0FF] -> Raphael_S [15:54] if it was throwing i/o errors it is fail. [15:54] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:54] nullboy: not necessarily. might be the connection/cable or a flakey controlelr [15:54] Should I boot into slackware and try get some of the errors? [15:54] no if or but. if the disk throws i/o errors from one area it is just a matter of time before it totally fails. [15:54] oh.. [15:54] though you're right - most likely the drive [15:54] fuck [15:55] >.> [15:55] are you sure it doesn't support smart ? [15:55] from one area? yes sounds like a bad spot on the disk, or a weakness in that portion of the ehads travel. Either one is not good [15:56] yeah and funny thing is that my cd drive is also failing too .. [15:56] piece of shite [15:56] ils: do you have that pc behind power surge protection or similar (UPS)? [15:57] no [15:57] oh it's a laptop right? [15:57] yes [15:57] ok [15:57] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] So you recommend me ditch the drive and backup whats left and replace it right? [15:58] i recommend you use the fujistu disk tool to do a factory sanctioned test [16:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@189.27.17.*.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br expired. [16:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@189.27.17.*.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:00] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [16:00] alright [16:01] http://www.fujitsu.com/us/services/computing/storage/hdd/support/utilities.html#diagnostic [16:01] Greetings programs. [16:01] But for the moment, is it fine to be booted off of windows? [16:01] ils: maybe, maybe not [16:01] if you're worried back up data [16:01] you should have backups anyway...right? [16:02] Yes, being booted off of Window$ is mighty fine. I can't imagine a sweeter fate, actually. :-) [16:02] Ha! [16:02] ... [16:02] supporting windows systems pays my bills [16:02] Do you need a hug? [16:03] Eh, nothing much in windows.. I use it for playing some games once in a while. But linux sadly got nuked. Luckly I have old backups from a while back. Though sadly I know I just lost tons and tons of stuff. sigh [16:04] ils: if you're capable and have another disk that is bigger than your laptop disk you can just image your possibly failing laptop disk to a file and then recover whatever is able to be read directly from the disk image [16:04] If it can't run with Wine, it can't run with me. Course, I haven't acquired any new proprietary software (excluding my nVidia driver, of course) since Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne. [16:04] The most important was that my essays,info, passwords from school got backed up. That would be a horror to lose. [16:04] MrHales: so can i assume you also don't support windows networks for a living? [16:05] nullboy: Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full. [16:05] wtf was that supposed to mean? [16:05] lol [16:05] What, never seen Top Gun? [16:05] yeah but the pattern is full? wtf? that makes no sense [16:06] lee555J5 (n=lee@68.113.105.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:06] Well, the first word in the quote is the only important one when I use it in that manner. [16:06] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:06] a lot of people in this channel work with and support windows systems [16:06] Do they need hugs? [16:06] i do [16:07] Action: MrHales hugs ils [16:07] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-221.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] Thanks.. thats much better. *gets a hankie* [16:07] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:07] I work with Windows when I can't avoid it, and support (gratis) when I'm asked. [16:07] ils: use the fujistu tool first, if that passes you *might* be able to assume that you're dealing with just fs issues [16:08] I just ran that diagnostic tool.. well the short test. Says passed the test. [16:08] I say rubbish [16:08] you need to do the long test. [16:08] .... [16:08] lol k [16:08] a quick test is just a quick smart test [16:08] needs 82 min to run it ouchie [16:08] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [16:08] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-221.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:08] ils: ... [16:08] so do you even care about the disk? [16:08] I'm running it, just saying. :P [16:09] you don't have to run the test and waiting 80 minutes really isn't that big of a deal if your data is in question is it? [16:09] 80 days isn't a long time to wait if one's data is in question. [16:09] if the long test passes i would boot the system with a livecd or a boot disk and e2fsck that partition with the badblocks option enabled [16:10] Well I think at the moment I'm more worryed about the state of my drive really.. either way I'm already screwed [16:10] ils: is there no warranty for your system? [16:11] I think it's gone by now, aren't most laptop warranties one year length? [16:11] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] My Dell had a 3 year warranty. [16:12] Also, most hard drive companies have 3 or more year warranties, if it comes to that. [16:12] s/had/has/ [16:12] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:13] disks in laptops are covered by OEM warranties only [16:13] consumers cannot exercise those warranties [16:13] #@$%@$# and such [16:13] O rly? [16:13] ... [16:14] i worked work a disk distributor and OEM vs. consumer warranties is a big deal [16:14] Action: jkwood whistles innocently [16:15] seagate/maxtor, WD, fuj, samsung, toshiba...all had different warranty paths for OEM vs retail/consumer warranties [16:15] gona put slack on part of this hd . trying to kill time [16:15] ordered couple tb hds too [16:15] cheapola! [16:16] i need a couple 1.5-2TB disks to move my mirror over to [16:16] 750GB isn't enough anymore [16:16] it's just crazy how cheap hard drives are getting. [16:16] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:17] Ok I dug up the old box from the laptop.. lemme see [16:17] Action: MrHales once tried to kill time but tempus fugit. [16:17] nix_chix0r: kid yet? [16:17] straterra: its arm is hanging out, still waiting for the rest to emerge [16:17] ahh [16:17] straterra, hell no, complete and utter bollocks, i'm so close! [16:18] that must give you an advantage in guitar hero [16:18] lmao [16:18] haha [16:18] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:18] i honestly don't know how much more of this i can take with out some form of a drug [16:18] can you take valium with a latr stage kid inside you? [16:18] late* [16:18] ptosin [16:19] pitocin, wont do anything for pain that will just make my contractions slam more [16:19] and i could take valium [16:19] I would gladly sell this laptop right now, but I deleted vista from it. And plus all this new problems emerging .. I'm pretty much toast. [16:20] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:20] ils: wait for the test to finish and then fsck the linux partition with the badblocks non-destructive read/write option enabled [16:20] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-221.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] straterra, by wednesday we are expecting 12inches of snow, i hope i don't go into full blown labor by then or i'l be havin this baby via irc:)) [16:21] Ok the warranty is one year.. damn. [16:21] nix_chix0r: Thank you for the correction. Seriously, I can't stand spelling errors, even of words I've only heard spoken. [16:22] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: "Caput!" [16:22] i'll write a script that uses aspell to auto send spelling corrections to channel [16:22] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-221.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:23] nullboy, that could get annoying after a while [16:23] Oh, I don't mind when *other* people have spelling errors. Just me. [16:23] yeah i'd get banned quick [16:23] Instead of channel, send them to me. [16:23] Wy du speeling errurs ofend yu? [16:23] lol [16:23] give it ops and make it auto-kick anyone with more than a certain number of errors per minute [16:23] hehehe [16:23] Ah... that was painful. [16:23] Exactly! [16:23] kamaji: now you're talking [16:23] :D [16:24] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:24] holy crap [16:24] it's really like 3something [16:24] apparently my comptuer didnt switch ahead [16:24] no wonder i'm so hungry [16:24] ntpdate pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc [16:25] Digerati (n=member@host-216-153-220-61.pro.choiceone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Digerati (n=member@host-216-153-220-61.pro.choiceone.net) left ##slackware. [16:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn-137.95-102-13.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [16:30] Yeah and along with the other 1001 problems my battery is toast also.. I could go 3 minutes max without the cord. [16:30] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] when running ld --verbose -lssl is it normal for the last output line to say: ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; not setting start address ? [16:38] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [16:38] nullboy: Is it fine that the diagnostic tool is running off of windows? [16:38] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl8-168.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:39] ils: yeah [16:39] alright. its already halfway done [16:40] hopefully it's some fs problem, as I'll have to give this thing a slow painful death if not. [16:40] mujo (n=Mujo@74.94.204.102) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:41] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:41] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [16:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:44] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:44] int203 (n=adam@c-24-21-193-83.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:58] nullboy: yes, but I mean for outgoing traffic, I'm blocking outgoing connections too [16:59] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:4cb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:59] http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&q=whois+%2B+iptables&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=whois+%2B+iptables&fp=z9zbsQrXiw0 [16:59] first hit has and example [16:59] an [17:01] thanks nullboy, but i'm using a hardware firewall, it's funny because I have all the rules and the last one is to log and deny anything, but it keeps logging output traffic to port 43, and it's specified as allow before it... [17:01] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [17:01] so why are you asking in here then? [17:02] it's not even iptables? [17:02] Nick change: Raphael_S -> Raphael_S[0FF] [17:03] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [17:03] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] true [17:05] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.189.141) joined ##slackware. [17:12] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] gotta love apvlv ! "apvlv is a PDF Viewer which behaves like Vim" =) [17:15] mads- (n=piklort@pdpc/supporter/active/mads-) joined ##slackware. [17:15] and it has a slackbuild :p [17:19] nullboy: The drive passed the extended diagnostic test. [17:19] ils: check the fs now [17:19] with fsck right? [17:19] is your fs ext3? [17:20] plutonas (n=plutonas@c-83-233-152-13.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:20] Either xfs or *fs haha.. I truely can't remember off my head. [17:20] wow. [17:20] yeah.. [17:20] lol [17:20] that's an important little bit of information [17:20] you should know it [17:21] wait, which file system types does the slackware installer carry? [17:22] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@93.86.91.105) joined ##slackware. [17:23] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [17:24] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:25] how to make people stop running as root : http://qntm.org/?suicide [17:26] pwn them [17:26] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@93.86.91.105) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:27] "You know how sometimes if you mistype a filename in Bash, it corrects your spelling and runs the command anyway?" <--umm no...i don't know that [17:27] wtf is that person talking about [17:28] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:28] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:28] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74EEF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:28] nullboy, I think I remember something like that, I've stayed away from it as much as possible [17:28] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [17:29] bash never run runs commands... [17:29] just runs* [17:29] are old printer cartridges worth anything? [17:29] it will auto complete and fix some errors but it never just randomly decides to run commands [17:29] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] bash < /dev/urandom [17:30] eventually some of that random garbage would have to be a command... [17:30] i think what he meant to say was "i hit auto complete and it fixed my own error and then i still hit enter anyway because i'm a douche bag" [17:30] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [17:31] or because he pressed Return before he actually completely checked, like a typo [17:32] Anyone know where I could find a pretty "Made with Slack" logo I could stick on my site? My hosting company uses, apparently, a highly customized RedHat, so "Powered by..." would not be technically correct. I didn't find anything in Slackware.com's propaganda section, and I don't mind making my own, but I do so love the ease and simplicity of making use of the talents and time of others (and giving such artists full credit, of course). [17:32] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:32] Camarade_Tux: either way it was still his own fault [17:32] shopt -s cdspell [17:32] bash didn't do it [17:32] pi31415: laser printer carts? SOme places will give you a couple of bucks for them. inkjet, just toos in the recycle bin for palstics [17:32] apparently there really is an option you can turn on that'll do that, for dir names [17:32] Urchlay: he still has to hit enter though [17:32] MrHales: look on slackware.com - the link titled Propoganda [17:33] ah, that I just put down to him being imprecise [17:33] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:33] rizitis (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/rizitis) left ##slackware ("Time makes no sense"). [17:33] NyteOwl: I looked there. See above. [17:33] sorry :) didn't read the whole thing. mea culpa :) [17:34] Usually people have logos like "made with vim" instead. [17:34] :-) [17:34] nullboy, nah, it's easier to blame others ;p [17:34] hm. "Made with 100% guaranteed 1's and 0's" [17:34] ccfreak2k: That's awesome! But I'm migrating to Drupal... for the amount of stuff I need to get online, I really require content management [17:34] NyteOwl: thanks [17:35] Is slackpkg the correct tool to use if one wants to just apply the patches to STABLE ? [17:35] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-206547.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Eco-friendy! Displayed with recycled electrons [17:35] So I'm no longer "made with vim" :-( [17:35] Action: Camarade_Tux wants a slack sticker, but a small one that can be put on a laptop cae, not a bumper one [17:35] rtcg: it's one of the tools that will do what you need [17:35] Camarade_Tux: actually my laptop is big enough for a bumper sticker :( [17:35] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-156-113-61.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:35] Camarade_Tux: the palce that makjes hacker stickers had them but apparently they're not greatly reliable [17:35] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Seriously, though, any other good slack propaganda repositories other than the official one? Is there, for instance, something along the lines of KDE-look.org that's all Slack specific. (My browser, and Google, being *so* far away, and everything) [17:36] Urchlay, yeah, mine is too but not enough for two of them ;p [17:36] Action: NyteOwl has resumed his efforts on Kryptos K4 [17:36] currently got an Atari Fuji logo on my laptop though [17:36] I currently have a tux one, a 42 one and a meh. one [17:37] Camarade_Tux: you could always use a case badge [17:37] (it used to spend a lot of time emulating an Atari, so it sorta made sense at the time...) [17:37] they're great when someone asks you some question : first point to meh., then 42, and then linux :) [17:37] aperture1ever` (n=abell@athedsl-206713.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:37] slackpkg seems to want to upgrade my fresh 12.2 installation to -current. Am I missing a switch that will limit it to just STABLE/patches ? [17:38] MrHales: stay away from hackerstickers.com, I, along with a couple others in here, have been jacked by them [17:38] they took my money and never shipped [17:38] rtcg: see /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [17:38] MrHales: ditto on nullboy's comment [17:39] jillsmitt (n=sm@95.58.191.90) joined ##slackware. [17:39] hm. What do you actually need to print your own bumper stickers? silkscreening setup, or can it be done on a laser or inkjet these days? [17:39] hi i need help [17:39] jillsmitt: call 911 [17:39] cool [17:39] if 911 arent here? [17:39] jillsmitt: go here http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [17:39] Urchlay: you can get transparent stickeers for printers [17:39] Action: MrHales resigns himself to further gimping. [17:39] eh, then you're in real trouble [17:39] Urchlay: i think you can take your jpeg to a shop and they will do that for you... at least here it's possible [17:40] the problem is with the durabilityn of the ink [17:40] ugh, yeah [17:40] ok i use backtrack [17:40] jillsmitt: leave now [17:40] jillsmitt, 999? [17:40] this is not a backtrack help channel [17:40] made a few t-shirts with inkjet iron-on kits, they didn't live very long [17:40] jillsmitt, just curious : is it backtrack 4 ? [17:40] jillsmitt: and no, based on is not equal to [17:41] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] heviarti (i=4bae676a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f7a5795ed7168b80) joined ##slackware. [17:41] nullboy, heh very good... [17:41] jillsmitt (n=sm@95.58.191.90) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:41] nullboy: More weirdness I have found while running fsck lol [17:42] ils: yeah? that might be a good sign [17:42] ils: what was the output? [17:42] what is backtrack? [17:42] so, anyone had trouble getting 2.6.28 to compile usably? [17:42] hm. Where do I know the name "heviarti" from? not this channel... [17:42] I got "some" good news though [17:42] hackerstickers.com has some tempting stuff =/ [17:42] heviarti: Linux neutrino 2.6.28.7-RAS #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 20 18:36:08 PST 2009 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [17:42] no [17:42] heviarti: did you used to hang out in #linuxhelp on undernet? [17:42] urchlay: yeah, here... and undernet [17:42] Urchlay: yup. [17:43] yeah, name is familiar. Long time no see... [17:43] no net. [17:43] heviarti: the plan 2.6.28 also built fine for me [17:43] plain* [17:43] i'm on a cattle ranch in the middle of nowhere [17:43] how are the #linuxhelp crowd doing these days? haven't been in there in aeons... [17:43] he, actually, http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/slackplate?id=ajLJPoqG:mv_pc=124 =) [17:43] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.146) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:43] i've been having alot of trouble with 2.6.28. [17:44] hehe, worse : Linux tux 2.6.29-rc7 #44 SMP [17:44] Camarade_Tux: #44...wtf [17:44] dude. [17:44] one of two machines i've tried it on runs reliably. and that was after a long fight [17:44] i haven't had any issues with 2.6.28.* [17:44] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:45] nullboy, don't ask me, I don't know >< [17:45] lol [17:45] my little i815 box.... unless i totally disable all network functionality the kernel won't find /dev/console. [17:45] 2.6.28.7 built on an EeePC... couple issues to work out yet, but the kernel seems stable and happy (mostly) [17:45] nullboy: Seems like fsck ran clean on my home partition somehow funny. Everything inside looks the same other than one directory. When I ran fsck -n on the system partition, it said "errors detected in the allocation table.cannot repair an allocation error for and cannt recover" [17:46] i've built about 15 kernels.only two have ran, and they were so stipped they were nearly unusable. [17:46] stripped even [17:46] ils: what was the fs again? [17:46] took four on my p4. [17:46] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.24.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] my current kernel is completely stripped, yet it runs all of my hardware, but only my hardware ;p [17:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [17:46] nullboy: It's jfs. [17:47] ils: i don't use jfs let alone know anything about it, sorry [17:47] Camarade_Tux: no.. i mean stripped like no sound, no network..... [17:47] oh boy [17:47] i mean to the bone [17:47] ils: i hope you used the proper fsck tool [17:47] I hope so.. -_^ [17:47] ils: you didn't fsck.jfs ? [17:47] no [17:47] oh lord [17:47] what? [17:48] use the proper fsck method [17:48] i think you used e2fsck on a jfs partition [17:48] there's so much minutia in the 2.6.28 kernel... and that screwy qt based xconfig SUCKS. [17:48] that's bad [17:48] heviarti, eek, no network, like no irc ? ='( [17:49] Camarade_Tux: like no ping, like no tcp/ip. [17:49] we only care about irc and pr0n -_- [17:49] Action: Camarade_Tux learnt not to trust {x,g}config and only uses menuconfig now [17:50] the moment i enable network... the machine won't boot interactively. won't find /dev/console. [17:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) left irc: [17:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZWWTRmOM28 what a terrible waste of perfectly good radio tower! [17:50] nullboy: ok I tried that.. but still the same output [17:50] ils: it might be ruined by now [17:51] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:51] heviarti, wow, quite bad [17:51] like i said, i don't know much about jfs, i can only assume that using e2fsck on a jfs partition is a bad idea [17:51] Camarade_Tux: i don't have any net [17:51] *shrug* Looks like most of home partition is fine.. even though I ran plain fsck on it also. [17:51] gotta go... feed cow. [17:51] heviarti (i=4bae676a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f7a5795ed7168b80) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [17:52] Looks like it survived the wrong tool [17:52] It's not nice to talk about your wife that way. [17:52] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] ils: i suggest you back up any data that you can still access [17:52] http://www.cafepress.com/volkerdi.293676129 <-- we should buy this for nix_chix0r :p [17:52] Camarade_Tux: oh gosh not that logo! [17:53] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-194002.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] Nick change: aperture1ever` -> aperturefever [17:53] it should be ok as long as you didn't try to *fix* it [17:53] didn't like new logo at all [17:53] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-206547.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] nullboy: Yeah I'm very happy that almost everything is fine, other than one directory(that one is backed up yay) in my home. I really don't care about the system. Compared to losing the home hehe. [17:54] I quite like it, I find it funny [17:54] ils: back it up man [17:54] oh yeah :D [17:54] plus people will try harder to read "slackware" and it may stay in their head :) [17:54] ils: your fs could turn into swiss cheese [17:54] true [17:54] Camarade_Tux, cute [17:55] Camarade_Tux: or what ends up staying in their head is "wtf?" [17:55] nullboy: Any ideas from here on out? Or simply reinstall, backup and keep fingers crossed I guess [17:55] ils: my own opinion would be to back up any data i can and reinstall [17:55] Yeah [17:56] I liked that logo redux the first time I saw it. Still do. [17:56] ils: did your laptop ever loose power, or anything else that could cause fs corruption? [17:56] ils: dropped or hit ever? [17:57] I did have it battery die on me once or twice .. like a month or more back. [17:57] jfs should be pretty stable.. sigh [17:57] ils: could have caused this and it is just now manifesting [17:57] ils: maybe you should configure acpi to power it off when the battery is low [17:58] ils: i stick to ext* because the chances of getting help with a messed up ext* fs are greater. more people really know the ext family [17:58] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-221.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] battery goes from full to 0% in 3 min or so o.O @P4C0 [17:58] lol well that is not good for a disk at all [17:59] ils: it's only a year old too? [17:59] what a crappy battery [17:59] You, sir, need a new battery. [17:59] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] yeah I dont even use a laptop "as" a laptop. Simply acting as a desktop. [17:59] that explains the battery fail [17:59] Lithium ion battery? How long did it sit on the shelf? [17:59] you need to cycle the batteries at least once in a while [18:00] I actually used the battery, but just slowly lost it's power [18:00] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:00] nullboy: I tried that, now I cna't get it to charge at all despite the fact that the battery sensor says the battery is good :( [18:01] and the batteries cost a pretty penny too [18:01] NyteOwl: sounds like it has an internal short [18:01] NyteOwl: i'd get rid of it [18:01] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:02] over time the individual batteries that made up the battery module grow tiny shorts inside the compound and they stop being able to hold charges [18:02] nullboy: Thanks so much for the help so far, I wouldn't have a clue really without the help. :-) [18:02] you're welcome, good luck with that disk [18:03] i don't like to say 'luck' often but with hard disks it is appropriate [18:06] rizitis_ (n=rizitis@athedsl-4553804.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:06] rizitis_ (n=rizitis@athedsl-4553804.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [18:07] i have a client who had a disk failure due to power issues...and the disk was a Deskstar [18:07] click of death syndrome [18:07] nullboy: it was bought new, only a couple of months old :( [18:07] NyteOwl: sucks [18:08] NyteOwl: was it OEM or aftermarket? [18:08] OEM [18:08] ugh that sucks [18:08] my laptop accepts two batteries and the secondary is toast [18:08] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] mine does too but I never picked up the secondary [18:09] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.155) joined ##slackware. [18:09] NyteOwl: are you the other guy with a dell laptop? [18:09] jkwood has D series, so do i [18:09] mads- (n=piklort@pdpc/supporter/active/mads-) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )" [18:09] nullboy: no, mines an older thinkpad [18:09] ah yeah they have media bays too [18:09] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [18:10] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-200-201-93.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] I have a Deskstar, but not one of the infamous models. [18:10] It's broken anyway. [18:10] Powers off by itself after a while. [18:11] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:13] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-5d815e17.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "leaving" [18:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:15] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:24] ok... downloading first. the download list is correct. [18:24] rtcg: slackpkg --hwlp perhaps? Or visit slackpkg.org [18:24] s/hwlp/help/ [18:25] truzicic (n=quassel@83-131-238-210.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] othermindszine (n=othermin@55.sub-70-193-136.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:27] Raphael_S[0FF] (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:27] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:27] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] alienBOB: I've been all over. I learn by example and haven't seen the process by example, but I have the packages from patches/* downloaded and now upgrade patches/* seems to be correct. Verifying now. [18:28] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [18:29] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-193.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] G'evenin'(or afternoon or maybe perhaps mornin'),people [18:33] MLanden: Hi. How are you? [18:34] fine for the day thanks,firebird and y'self? [18:34] I'm good. Thanks. [18:37] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] greetings and salutations [18:37] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [18:37] Evenin',andarius [18:37] salutations MLanden [18:38] MLanden. o/ [18:38] andarius: greetings. How are you today? [18:38] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:38] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] salutations firebird619. i am well. and you ? [18:38] Evenin',MrHales...How's that netbook comin' along? [18:38] andarius: I'm doing good. Thank you. [18:38] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.146) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Well. Got a couple issues with ACPI and need to do a bit more tweaking on my kernel config before I have it where I want it, but very well. xfce is comfortable and attractive enough for my purposes. [18:40] Good t'hear,MrHales [18:41] ils (n=ils@ppp-69-237-199-106.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:41] When I get my shipment of tuits in, I'll find an editor that does not have undesirable (read: libgnomeprint) dependencies yet supports my preferred format (odt). But I'm taking a break from the 'book so I can pay a bit more attention to my book and sites. [18:41] stack (n=stack@host123-40-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Nick change: stack -> stackv6 [18:41] Wonder if there's a glitch with XFCE 4.6 and hal with cdrom drives [18:41] I tend to concentrate to the exclusion of all other things, occasionally. [18:42] stackv6 (n=stack@host123-40-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:42] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.11.148) joined ##slackware. [18:42] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [18:42] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.11.148) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] how do i see unicode characters with xterm and vim/gvim [18:43] xfce and hal seem like divorcees. They communicate, but only when they have to, and some subjects simply aren't breached. A security issue (like, I wasn't part of the power group) fixed some of that. [18:43] s/breached/broached [18:44] That's what it seems like..thanks,MrHales [18:45] Where are xorg's logging settings kept? Can logging be disabled/routed to /dev/null? [18:46] I want to, once the kinks are worked out, disable all logging and other such unnecessary disk writes [18:46] just write logs to a ram disk [18:47] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.189.141) left irc: "later" [18:48] packeteer: Thank you. I've been considering that possibility, but once the system is stable, I don't feel I'll need even that much. I'll not be doing more than security updates when I get it where I want it. [18:48] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:48] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: [18:50] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.175.136.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:51] I'm considering LFS on it so I'll end up with precisely what I need, but no more. Ideally the system will be lean to the point of emaciation. Partly for the experimentation/educational value of such an undertaking, partly so that I can afterwards simply image the disk to stick and then be able to do instant Eee PC makeovers. If it works, and works well, I'd like to package it all up nice and pretty, but have not the desire (nor time) to maintain such [18:53] .... Hmm, is there a Slack from Scratch or sommat? I have a strong preference for the Tao of Slackware. Admittedly I've little to no experience with other distros, but the experiences I do have send me running back home to Slack. [18:54] imo it would be better to use something like slackware (once you've done your learning etc) as it is much easier for upkeep / maintainence [18:54] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:54] You can always just build your system using the same scripts Pat does to build Slackware. [18:55] ^^^ [18:56] i'd use gentoo, that's what it's kinda built for [18:56] build a normal base system and then use pat's scripts for customisation [18:56] i like gentoo [18:56] i'm just lazy :) [18:56] don't want to do too much work [18:57] Action: andarius would vote gentoo or LFS. gentoo being up first as a lot of the guess work is done [18:57] lfs seems way overkill just for building a minimal system [18:58] gentoo does just that, and keeps it organized too [18:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!" [18:59] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) left irc: "bbl, saving BW for skype :P" [19:00] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [19:00] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [19:01] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] Yeah, but I have deep love for Linux. Sorta like deepening one's relationship with a diety, a significant other, or even oneself, I want to know more about the things I love. I need to score an old CRT of the free (as in beer) sort and finally get around to doing something with the tower collecting dust in the corner. I used to have spare displays but in a moment of genuine charity, I gave them away because "I won't need those". Two weeks later, one [19:01] Heya, Old_Fogie. o/ [19:02] hello all , hi MrHales [19:02] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] Old_Fogie: Hi. How are you today? [19:02] G"Evenin',Old_Fogie [19:02] salutations Old_Fogie [19:03] deepyox (n=deepyox@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [19:03] "how am i" :D I'm about to do a ethernet install from alienBOB's wiki for a thinkpad laptop that has a dead cdrom, no floppy, and wont boot USB even tho the bios says :) I wonder if I can do it, looks hard, heh :) [19:03] At the same time, though, I need (or a least desperately desire) mobile connectivity and word processing, at least, and a solid base upon which to expand for my son so he has something solid but fun and not averse to being educational. [19:04] Old_Fogie: :) Good Luck. [19:04] firebird619, yeah I think I'm gonna need it, this wiki has to be 16 "page downs" :D [19:04] Which series thinkpad,Old_Fogie? [19:04] its' a thinkpad t30 [19:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [19:06] I had slack 12 on it for long time (it's a friends), told them to bring it over get upgrades, etc.. found out I got myself into a can of pain over here. didn't know the cd rom was bad til' slackware 12.1 was installing and gave a ton of errors, and noticed the cdrom light was off. you have to push it in and hold it til it spins up :( [19:06] so you have to hold the cdrom the *whole* time while loading it, and then ...for some reason, it get's read errors too [19:06] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] IIRC,the cdrom's shipped with the T series weren't the best [19:07] yeah I wouldn't doubt it. it's a nice laptop, but I cant stand them eraser mice, I'm a touchpad kind a guy [19:08] my laptop has both! [19:08] this thing here, it even get's the compiz cube working, I'm kinda shocked at that [19:08] nullboy, you have both? what kind of laptop is that? [19:08] the intel is stronger than one gives credit for [19:09] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.175.136.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:09] Old_Fogie: dell D620 [19:09] my thinkpad has both too [19:09] nullboy, hmm I'll have to check that out [19:10] this laptop, this t30, high quality, makes my compaq look like a pile of poo [19:10] my dell D810 has a problem with the hinge, this is the 3rd one I order... [19:10] metal hinges on the lid, just a real nice feel to the chasis [19:11] Old_Fogie, metal hinges on my T42 too, plus eraser+touchpad [19:11] slack works great on it [19:12] P4C0, yeah that stinks. well get it fixed soon. you know that ribbon cable that comes up from the laptop to the monitor, well they dont like bad hinges, breaks the darn ribbon if it's open/closed off tilt too many times. I got 2 dead laptops here cuz of that, my own fault for not fixing em' I guess [19:12] dry rot? [19:12] dive, yea this laptop was meant to run Slackware, no doubt. he's got xp-pro on here, and it crawls (even with no antivirus) [19:12] MLanden, yea [19:12] Old_Fogie, any idea how easy/hard is to change the screen on a thinkpad? [19:13] I got a better screen on my old t21 [19:13] I called compaq, they want 60$ (iirc) for the damn ribbon cable for the monitor. You can imagine what I told them. [19:13] this one has some good gouges in it [19:13] can be a right PITA,Old_Fogie [19:13] Old_Fogie: it's on his way here, cost me like 8 dollars on ebay, dell wanted me to charge 100... [19:14] I think someone must have attacked MS paperclip man with a pair of scissors or a letter knife [19:14] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:14] dive, changing the screens aint that bad (on laptops) to be honest. The hardest thing is, figuring out how to get the plastic case that surounds the screen. google your model ( like I did ) and you'll find someone showing where to "pry here" and "jingle this" to get it to open. [19:14] right [19:14] and always be careful placing the plug over the pins [19:15] and look both ways b4 crossing street :) [19:15] lol [19:15] yeah that's what's worrying me mpst [19:15] blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-c643e455.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:15] bb - ran outta smokes [19:15] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:15] cyas [19:16] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:16] so you guys ever do the network boot / install of slack ? anyone here the resident guru for me to nag :) [19:18] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [19:18] i tried it once but failed :p [19:19] josemanuel (n=josemanu@99.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:21] Old_Fogie: PXE style? [19:21] nullboy, yes [19:22] i've only done usb boot with network based package serving [19:22] time to go! [19:22] cya [19:22] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [19:23] deepyox (n=deepyox@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:24] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] is anyone else getting that new floating box at google.com? [19:26] i want to kill it [19:27] i just did kill it with noscript. excellent [19:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] floating box,nullboy? [19:27] yeah it's some google ad [19:27] Old_Fogie, for PXE you need a tftp server and a dhcpserver [19:28] Old_Fogie: dnsmasq can do all of that in one [19:28] tftp too [19:28] the dnsmasq config isn't bad either, it's got a good manpage and the config file is understandable [19:29] doesnt look like you can do this behind a typical linky dink router appliance [19:29] sure you can [19:30] oh yea? [19:30] wait you mean use the router as the whole pxe server? [19:30] nope [19:30] well router for the dhcp [19:30] if it was running openwrt you could [19:30] and a slack box I have for the tftp part [19:30] oh I aint getting into openwrt for this, heh [19:30] i don't think you can spec a tftp option in the linkydinky dhcpd [19:31] yeah this ain't gonna work. [19:31] isolate then [19:31] guess I'll boot the cdrom, and hope I can type with one hand, mount a usb drive, and hold the cd door closed [19:31] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:31] wire it shut [19:32] duct tape [19:32] yeah gonna have to pull some Mr. T 'duct tape' action on it :) [19:32] lol [19:32] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7928996.stm [19:33] mcguyver it [19:33] "...the chimp collected and stored stones that he would later use as missiles." [19:33] hahah, yea remember that guy, he could make a bomb outta bubble gum, a swiss army knife and a piece of naval lint [19:33] chimps do that naturally in nature. so do baboons [19:34] ok off to try my duct tape experiment [19:34] good luck,Old_Fogie [19:35] well i'll be a monkey's uncle, thats one smart chimp! [19:35] thanks :) [19:35] np [19:36] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:37] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] NyteOwl: the news was that he stockpiled them because he knew he was going to be pissed off my all the visitors [19:37] "anticipation of a future state" [19:37] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:38] well,rocks probably not all that he hurled..LOL [19:38] if only I had that sort of forsight before installing freebsd on my other box... [19:38] yup, that ape was getting ready to go on the war path [19:38] kamaji: yes but that's not uncommon. baboons stockpile sticks and stoens to sue against cheetahs [19:38] and chimnpos are a damn sight smarter than baoons [19:39] "life is like an ape slinging candy and feces, you just have to know when to duck and when to catch" -author unknown [19:39] damn vicious too [19:39] lol [19:39] NyteOwl: apparently it's still in question though :\ [19:40] how to confuse a chimp: take all the rocks out of his enclosure and replace with grey pieces of candy - then see how he reacts whn people start catching and eating his 'stones' [19:41] he will still sling poo [19:41] or replace the chimps rocks with something very lightweight that do not fly like missiles, maybe styrofoam painted to look like rocks [19:42] he trys to throw it and it flutters like a feather [19:42] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:43] eventually it might break him of the habit (making him think it is a useless endeavor) [19:43] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:43] unless it's an obsession [19:44] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] personally I would sling a few rocks back, but I think that would upset people [19:44] it would be a weird way to spend your life, enclosed in a small habitat while many members of another type of life form gawks at you every day [19:45] yeah not very nice [19:45] i bet [19:45] how the hell do you put coordiantes into google maps? [19:46] I remember reading a sci-fi comic when I was a kid about some people who got abducted by aliens and placed in a zoo. Always stuck with me that story [19:46] there is a Twilight zone episode with that theme dive [19:46] MasterShrek (n=dp@71-87-39-128.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:46] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [19:47] and if you want a good book to read - try Great Apes by Will Self [19:47] quite funny and makes you think too [19:47] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [19:48] humans are of the same family of mammal, we share about 98% of DNA with the great apes, chimpanzees, gorillas, orangatains, [19:48] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:48] And we've got the same number of chromosomes as tobacco plants. [19:48] Action: dive lights himself up [19:48] ouvh [19:49] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] just look at a chimp, the ears look very very similar shape, same with the hands with opposing thumb [19:50] nixfreak (n=ice9@mn-10k-dhcp3-837.dsl.hickorytech.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] we are of the great ape family, we all share a common ancestor [19:50] Maybe you share a common ancestor with apes. [19:50] Pig_Pen, that's common knowledge [19:50] s/knowledge/misconception/ [19:51] we're also very close to Bonobos too [19:51] yup bonobos are of the same family [19:51] I'm close to my refrigerator. Does that make us related? [19:51] jkwood, so what's your theory then? [19:51] adam and eve? [19:51] Actually, yes. [19:52] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:52] There are just too many things in the theory of evolution that don't add up. [19:52] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:52] e.g? [19:52] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] Well, here. I'm a computer science/math major. We're always doing population simulations/calculations. [19:53] there are even more things in the bible that don't add up - the difference is evolution theory will be corrected and expounded upon as out knowledge increases [19:53] It's statistically impossible for human beings to have existed much more than 10,000 years. [19:53] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-68-242.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:53] jkwood: agree [19:54] there are proofs even, [19:54] jkwood: what about the fossil record? [19:54] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-93-4.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [19:54] whether you like it or not or believe it or not, there is enough evidence dug up by scientists to support evolution as fact, show me some evidence that there is a god [19:54] The fossil record only proves that something died and got buried in the mud. [19:55] It was common knowledge Earth was flat. It was common knowledge that the earth was the center of the universe. It was common knowledge that metal cannot float. [19:55] i have a good theory for u all! [19:55] Saw an interesting article about trees in Alaska petrifying in 5 years. [19:55] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-180-67-81.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:55] jkwood: and what proves that statistical impossibility of the 10000 y of existence? ... no , do not reply, I out of this... no use [19:55] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.155) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:55] MrHales, well actually I have read lately that it's a common misconception of us to think that people thought of the world as flat [19:55] That's total petrification, by the way. Not partial. [19:55] koolniczka: Statistics. [19:56] http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/09/evolution-vs-creationism-family-guy-style/ lol! [19:56] but that's by the by [19:56] or http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2677 [19:56] what really occured is andarius created it all :P [19:56] this can be tough.. [19:57] jkwood: statistics only proves that some numbers add up... that's about the same grade of argument as you put up previously (BTW, I'm an archaeologists) [19:57] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Action: MrHales never understood why evolution/adaptation/etc. is automatically considered to directly oppose intelligent creation. [19:57] lol Pig_Pen [19:57] Ilie (i=NuMaStre@93.112.65.249) joined ##slackware. [19:58] stack_ (n=stack@ridaca-1-pt.tunnel.tserv10.par1.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] And I respect your knowledge in your field. I'm not an archaeologist. [19:58] stack_ (n=stack@ridaca-1-pt.tunnel.tserv10.par1.ipv6.he.net) left ##slackware. [19:58] Action: MLanden agrees with MrHales that both should be able to go hand in hand [19:58] MasterShrek (n=dp@71-87-39-128.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:59] Anyone caring to really hash it all out in an offtopic channel care to join #slackware-social? [19:59] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] Action: MrHales adores debate. [19:59] MrHales: did you just invent that channel? [20:00] Nope. [20:00] Normally I would, but I have other things that need my attention just now. Perhaps another time. [20:00] There was a political discussion a few nights ago [20:00] did it evolve over millions of years :D [20:00] rworkman I think created it, initially [20:00] afk [20:01] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] http://pastebin.com/m3c60224 quotes by famous atheists [20:02] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-1105.tvcom.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:03] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.26.238) joined ##slackware. [20:03] pingno (n=dantelyn@66-190-220-30.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Pig_Pen: where do u keep those quotes... [20:03] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] hi guys [20:04] o/ [20:04] i am a pack rat of interesting graphics and text [20:04] hi nachox. how are you? [20:04] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:04] MrHales, here is an interesting paper on the subject http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/read/essays/nathist/perimeterofignorance [20:04] cant complain [20:04] Evenin',nachox [20:05] got access to a dedicated server at work, it's running smtp, pop3/imap but not showing in netstat, know of any reason why this could be? [20:06] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-183-254.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:06] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [20:09] MasterShrek (n=dp@71-87-39-128.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] gar0t0 (n=tiago@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [20:11] pingno (n=dantelyn@66-190-220-30.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com) left irc: [20:11] jonsmith1982, inetd? [20:11] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: "leaving" [20:13] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] nitro25_ (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] i'll have to check that out. [20:14] int203 (n=adam@c-24-21-193-83.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:16] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:16] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left ##slackware. [20:18] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7619.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] just tried that on here with ftp and it doesn't seem to hide it from netstat. [20:19] infact it states inetd as listening on port 21 [20:20] as it should, yes, are you sure, those services ARE running in the server then? 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[20:31] bono (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] Hi, I am using http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_slackware12_p6 because it will suit my needs and I am a slack noob [20:32] I`m slack noob too [20:32] hehe [20:32] the page asks to install fuse from slackbuilds, one is slackbuids good and not like automatix for ubuntu? [20:33] cjae: are you installing slackware 12 or 12.2? [20:33] cjae: you know slackbuilds.org ? [20:33] is very simple [20:33] fuse is in 12.2 [20:33] NaCl, 12.2 [20:33] ok [20:34] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] I dont see it on the site either just fuseiso and fusemb [20:34] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] NaCl, I thought it wasn't necessary for fuse anymore since ntfs was put in the kernel [20:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Slackware's default NTFS driver is ntfs-3g, which requires fuse [20:36] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:36] ok so what was adapted to the kernel? cause I am probably quite mistaken [20:37] What do you mean? [20:37] The kernel's ntfs driver is still there, it's just not used by default. [20:37] oh ok [20:38] so when I do a fresh install of slackware and plugin an external hd that is ntfs what make me be able to see it? [20:38] usb [20:39] If you install HAL and KDE, it will prompt you to automount it. [20:39] ok but what is telling slack to understand the fs on the drive [20:39] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) joined ##slackware. [20:40] fuse or ntfs-3g or something else [20:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-204-93.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:40] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] ntfs-3g is the driver [20:41] fuse is used by ntfs-3g [20:42] ok [20:42] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:42] pingno (n=dantelyn@66-190-220-30.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:42] so regardless if you have ntfs-3g in your kernel you must have fuse to read write drives [20:43] [>....................] resync = 0.1% (946368/732571904) finish=244.8min speed=49808K/sec [20:43] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] cjae: No. Just to use the ntfs-3g driver, and any other driver that uses fuse. [20:43] geez [20:44] ok [20:44] cjae: The other filesystem drivers (e.g. the ext2/3 drivers) don't use fuse, so they don't need it [20:44] right [20:44] ok thanks [20:45] np [20:45] edman007, time to spawn [20:45] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:45] http://images.howtoforge.com/images/the_perfect_desktop_slackware12/slackBuild2.jpg [20:45] Why is this a jpeg? [20:46] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:49] so people like you would ask that question [20:49] :) [20:50] seriously though, talk about an overkill [20:52] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] they should've used a bmp for that [20:52] /me humms "moe hah veee" [20:52] MasterShrek (n=dp@71-87-39-128.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:53] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.205) joined ##slackware. [20:54] this is brutal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vz1TVpwme0 [20:54] there is a desert in california pronounced that way "Mojave" [20:54] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:56] Ilie (i=NuMaStre@93.112.65.249) left irc: [20:57] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:00] http://imagebin.org/40749 [21:00] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7619.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [21:01] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] lol,Pig_Pen [21:01] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [21:02] hilarious thanks [21:02] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] good one [21:03] Old_Fogie, technically, a pngcrushed png version of the image would be much smaller than a jpeg version without looking like utter shit. [21:04] http://abstrusegoose.com/53 [21:04] oh I was joking about windows, using a bmp (windowsish) format, then humming their song of their next version [21:04] a windows format for slack (guess I was the only one that got the joke, heh) [21:05] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:06] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] bbiab [21:07] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:12] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.57.103) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:18] Nick change: KnightWhoSaysNi -> UdontKnow [21:18] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [21:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [21:21] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[21:50] MOO :P [21:50] agh my god its been ages since I've been in here [21:51] elektr1k: are you an irritating dumbass or do you just play one on IRC?? [21:52] rworkman, clearly he is just trying to make friends with an op [21:52] brb gotta screen this [21:52] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-206713.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:52] tecky (n=tecky@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:52] edman007: seems that way. I know one :) [21:54] rworkman, how have you been lately? [21:54] tecky (n=tecky@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] agh much better [21:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:54] elektr1k kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Frogboy, you and the horse you rode in on can leave until you find something constructive and sensible to say. [21:55] hehe [21:55] TwinReverb: busy. Very. :) [21:55] rworkman: you always seem to find creative kick/ban messages [21:55] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:55] I try my best :) [21:55] Raphael_S: did you disable your auto-away message? [21:56] Action: nachox awards rworkman with the best ban message of the month badge [21:56] Yay! :D [21:56] The "bizness" one was getter, IMO [21:57] *better [21:57] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:57] plus, I'm not sure that Frogs ride horses... they do ride lilly pads though. [21:57] nachox: isn't that the same thing he won the last 8 months in a row? ;) [21:58] bizness? I don't recall that one :/ [21:59] Lemme find it... [22:00] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [22:00] rworkman: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/slackware.log.05Mar2009 [22:00] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:02] NaCl, rworkman is not the only op here, that ban was through the bot so it might have been any of us, (it was no me) [22:02] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:03] It was me :) [22:03] nachox: I know. The --rw gave it away [22:03] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.113.93) joined ##slackware. [22:03] gar0t0 (n=tiago@189-69-91-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] ohh [22:04] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.113.93) left irc: Client Quit [22:06] TecR0c (n=TecR0c@acetow2.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] is it posible for two devices to have the same MAC addresS? [22:07] possible? yes, you can force them to have the same mac address, but i would assume that this would cause problems on a network [22:07] why you want that? [22:08] TwinReverb: well from what i can see, a Printer has the same MAC address as my Vonage VoIP ATA device. [22:08] so its fucking up with dhcp [22:08] I just had an attack of ignorance, so you'll have to forgive me, but I thought MAC address was set in hardware, although could be, like masked... [22:08] :| [22:09] acidchild, yes, but you'll have problems if they are in the same subnet [22:09] acidchild, can you change one of thir mac addresses? [22:09] nachox: they are :| [22:09] nasty ones, hard to debug [22:09] MrHales, on some devices you can change the mac address manually [22:09] TwinReverb: no :| no access to the printer... and no access to the control on the ATA [22:09] id say...get a new vonage phone [22:09] say yours is dead [22:09] or somethong [22:09] they shouldn't have the same mac [22:09] TwinReverb: Thank you. [22:10] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [22:10] they 'shouldn't' hence why i'm asking peoples opinion. [22:10] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] its possible [22:10] acidchild, nmap both? that is odd it only happens with crappy hardware or a nasty linux kernel module for a really odd layer 2 protocol [22:10] i can't nmap a device without an IP [22:11] i say get another phone [22:11] thats easy to replace [22:11] the printer has to have an ip to be useful [22:11] try with only one connected [22:11] nachox: yeah... [22:11] i'm going to plug it in to my desktop extra NIC [22:11] and just use NAT and dhcp heh [22:11] but this is ghey [22:11] many printers let you set an static ip yourself [22:11] i don't have accesso the printer [22:12] there is 100's of computers on this network. [22:12] ip doesnt matter [22:12] well on many you can do it on them [22:12] if they have the same mac... [22:12] arp will respond with 2 ips [22:12] acidchild, i dont know about the ata thing, i think there was something like AoE which does not require an ip [22:12] nille_: i'm sure i can, i just don't feel like touching someones multi-million $ printer. [22:12] and youll have a race condition [22:12] by breaking in to their office [22:12] yeah [22:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:13] i say..new vonage device [22:13] Action: Old_Fogie says "haway firefox 3.1b4 doesnt have popups in location bar when you type" [22:13] nar. i'll just add another layer of NAT [22:13] THAT is nasty [22:13] nat ftl [22:13] Action: andarius would verify the mac on the hardware (as it is supposed to be printed on it) [22:13] nachox: why? [22:14] acidchild, because NAT is nasty :P [22:14] odds are they ghosted the adaptor [22:14] of course NAT's nasty [22:14] andarius: i have. [22:14] :| [22:14] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] acidchild: the mac printed on them is the same ? [22:14] are the devices from the same hardware vendor? [22:14] yeah :| [22:15] the printer is Xerox it seems from tcpdump [22:15] and the ATA is vonage (so cisco?) [22:15] part of the mac is hardware vendor. if they match you have a hack job and some illegal crap [22:15] btw, ATA? [22:15] unlesss as noted they are from the same maker [22:16] either way, i am with straterra. if you ahve access to the vonage replace it. otherwise it is a toss up [22:16] s/ahve/have/ [22:16] i'm surprised that fully encrypted disk (via LVM and LUKS) doesn't seem to slow down my laptop much at all [22:16] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] nachox: http://www.unlockvta.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/d-link-vta-vr-4-300x300.jpg [22:17] ATA = Analogue Terminal Adapter [22:19] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:19] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:19] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-168-212.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:19] Advanced Technology Attachment [22:19] is there a way to reload the partition table without having to reboot? [22:20] nachox: rofl :P [22:20] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:21] I created /dev/sda7 with cfdisk but the device node isnt available yet [22:22] dissociative: partprobe [22:22] acidchild, that's why i said AoE [22:23] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:24] -shrugs- [22:25] so you plug regular phones there and use them as voip crap? [22:25] Mar 9 22:25:01 brouter dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.112 (192.168.0.1) from 00:17:9a:d1:6a:db via eth1: wrong network. [22:25] Mar 9 22:25:01 brouter dhcpd: DHCPNAK on 192.168.0.112 to 00:17:9a:d1:6a:db via eth1 [22:26] hardware ethernet 00:17:9A:D1:6A:DB; [22:26] fixed-address 10.1.0.108; [22:26] nachox: yeah :| [22:26] holy sheet ... acid? [22:26] acidchild, i'd check what andarius said [22:26] wzup [22:26] nmh [22:27] yeah. [22:27] been ages since i been on fnode [22:27] :) [22:27] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.57.103) joined ##slackware. [22:27] nachox: i'm moving away from this network soon so its no biggie [22:27] but what are the chances of having two devices with the same IP? [22:27] i could have won the lottery [22:27] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Okay, yeah, my sense of humor is ... well... any way. "holy sheet ... acid?" just made me giggle on the inside. Wanted to mention that. [22:28] nah, it's not that uncommon with cheap-o-crap [22:28] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:28] blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-c643e455.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:28] Guru (n=haha@CPE0016b6e68f58-CM00122574b6f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:28] thumbs is a noob [22:29] and your such an expert? [22:29] atleast i dont abuse my powers because someone called me gay [22:29] nachox: well Cisco isn't really cheap-o-crap [22:29] it's ok, rworkman likes your type [22:29] and Xerox 3 Ton printers are not really cheap-o-crap [22:30] Guru: you are gay [22:30] nobody can change that [22:30] acidchild, ... [22:30] blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-6ca772d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [22:30] And im proud to be gay got a fucking problem? [22:30] please, stay ouot of this [22:30] nope [22:30] nachox: lol [22:30] :) [22:30] Action: MrHales blinks. [22:30] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] WTF? [22:30] Guru, is there a problem? [22:30] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) [22:30] acidchild: while the printer may not be they likely buy the NIC bulk and cheap [22:30] NFW. [22:31] nachox: he was banned for causing trouble in our channel [22:31] andarius: aahh true true [22:31] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Success [22:31] which means he's avading :> [22:31] thumbs: previous nick? [22:31] nachox: he felt like taking it out here. I apologize for his behaviour [22:31] I wasnt banned, i told you off cause you called users dumbasses and made fun of people that cant read [22:31] Guru: ohh. Take that to priv msg. We don't care here. [22:31] acidchild: odds are they got a batch from some hack company since you mentioned cisco i doubt their is the same quality network hardware [22:31] Guru / KingKong / c0d3-r3d [22:32] Guru, whatever problem you have with thumbs we dont care, it does not belong here [22:32] I have the right to freedom of speech dont like type /ignore *@* [22:32] guess he's gonna yell at all of us, since we call users 'dumbasses" and make fun of their reading abilities too :) [22:32] wrong, this is a dictatorship [22:32] Guru: you have whatever rights we say you do here. [22:32] again, I didn't invite him here. I apologize if he came here. [22:32] Guru: you can stay, but the personal shit can't. [22:32] take this in to PM people! [22:32] Guru: you're free to talk to me in a PM. [22:32] yeah! /me gives rworkman the obama pump hand shake [22:32] even the ops bitching at the accused. [22:33] thumbs is a little bitch whos gonna die at a young age [22:33] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [22:33] sigh. [22:33] oh it's hammertime [22:33] thumbs is a little bitch whos gonna die at a young age [22:33] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:33] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [22:33] ##slackware: mode change '+b %Guru!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [22:33] bye-bye [22:33] Guru is apparently a moron. [22:33] cant touch this..dee dee dee dee bop bop, hammertime [22:33] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [22:34] rworkman: I sincerely apologize. [22:34] 1 more % and it will be insane here :o [22:34] rworkman: he must have /whois'ed me [22:34] why are people so stupid [22:34] All he had to do was stop. [22:34] seriously ? [22:34] tecky: stop spreading your genetics then! [22:34] I honestly dont understand why 12 year olds are able to use the internet alone [22:34] fu acid :P [22:34] They usually don't repeat themselves that much. [22:34] guys, you're not really helping, if you see someone misbehaving like that, dont make a big fuzz about it, it just encourages the troll [22:34] tecky: you know they are flawed so why do you keep telling them woman your a rock star?! [22:35] Guru (n=haha@CPE0016b6e68f58-CM00122574b6f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [22:35] I'm gonna go invent a internet condom ... you put it on before you web browse and it saves you from all the retards on the web from getting to your brain [22:35] a face at the base of the spine is NOT NORMAL. [22:35] tecky: Public education system offers special leadership courses to particularly bright or gifted youngsters and beats all the individuality and intellect from them. [22:35] LinuxGuru (n=haha@CPE0016b6e68f58-CM00122574b6f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] It's a very good system. [22:35] ahha [22:35] It works, too. [22:35] LinuxGuru: don't. [22:35] Dont what? [22:35] be yourself [22:35] hehe [22:35] be handicapabul [22:36] tecky: so why did you get a life ? [22:36] Hi, I am following a guide slackware 12 the perfect desktop and it wants me to install picasa 3 but I don't want it, but would like to try to see if I would recommend to others, but it is only in .deb and .rpm not .tgz ... [22:36] how is everyone tonight? [22:36] acid, nicole made me ? [22:36] you've not been on freenode for a long time [22:36] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] so you must have grown one from somewhere [22:36] rofl [22:36] alien can convert .deb. to .rpm but what do I do with this? [22:36] cjae: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/picasa/ [22:36] acid, well i left florida after divorcing my psycho ex-wife and moved to BFE New York... seriously like the nearest walmart is 20 - 30 min away :\ [22:37] Well, I'm off. G'night folks. [22:37] cjae: alien can also convert .debs to .tgzs, but SlackBuilds are preferred. [22:37] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:37] rworkman: sleep well :-) [22:37] rworkman: Good Night. [22:37] NaCl, ok how would you rate p3? [22:38] two peanuts and a banana! [22:38] p3? [22:38] picasa 3 [22:38] I don't use it. If I would use it, I would grab the package from there. [22:38] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Ok [22:39] god, slashdot users do not have a clue... [22:39] night rob [22:39] nachox: he seems to have left freenode, thankfully. [22:40] nachox: I apologize to you too for the trouble he caused [22:40] tecky: so what has she been making you do? [22:40] :) [22:40] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:41] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] someone asked for a way to replicate Active Directory Group Policies in linux, and all people can answer is "dont manage linux they way you'd do with windows" and "why do you want that, linux is already pretty locked up without root access"... [22:42] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:44] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:44] matt1632 (n=Matt@d75-153-90-230.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] wait..linux client or linux as a AD server? [22:46] none [22:46] he wanted something like AD group policies [22:46] but for linux [22:47] and dont tell me ldap + kerberos [22:47] samba4? [22:47] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:47] again, that doesnt work for linux clientes [22:48] right. [22:48] he wants to enforce a policy for linux desktops [22:48] Hi, could anyone comment on the compatibility of the nvidia 9800GTX+ or GTX 260 video cards with slack? I'm looking for an new card because my current ati card isn't really compatitble. [22:48] ummm. [22:48] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] matt1632: what ATI card? [22:49] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] It's an HD 4850, a great card but I get bad tearing during video playback with both the FOSS and proprietary drivers. [22:50] I have a 9800(with some letters on the end) and it works fine [22:50] matt1632: really? [22:50] yep [22:50] Action: sitwon has tearing problem with the X1400 in my ThinkPad [22:50] any Nvidia card will work fine [22:50] matt1632: my x300 does not exibit that behaviour [22:51] exhibit, rather [22:51] ATI drivers suck badly [22:51] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:51] granted, that tower is on 12.0 [22:51] so the drivers are quite dated by now [22:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] perhaps you could install slightly older drivers? [22:52] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:53] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Yeah, the proprietary drivers aren't any good. The radeonhd driver seems to be the only free driver that works with R700 cards(4800 series), but it's not that great [22:53] I'll try out the older Catalyst 8.12 drivers, those seem to be more stable [22:53] I do agree that the ATI drivers leave a lot to be desired. [22:53] acid, play wow ? Which 'we' recently quit playing :P [22:53] so that means more time for IRC / Linux [22:54] Thanks for the help, I'll look into nvidia cards if older drivers don't work [22:55] matt1632 (n=Matt@d75-153-90-230.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:55] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] tecky: wow [22:55] wtf [22:55] ya i kno [22:55] no seriously [22:55] you should let me hurt you [22:55] i know i know :( [22:55] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:57] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:59] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:00] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [23:00] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:02] Nick change: Raphael_S -> Raphael_S[0FF] [23:04] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:04] LinuxGuru (n=haha@CPE0016b6e68f58-CM00122574b6f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [23:04] hba (n=hba@189.188.145.239) joined ##slackware. [23:05] is md5sum in slack 12.2 [23:05] found it [23:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] take care,all [23:08] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-193.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:09] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:09] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:09] nix_chix, back? [23:10] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] no, she is left <--- [23:11] misspwn is back [23:11] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:12] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-105-1-163.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] hey hey [23:12] NaCl, sorry I keep getting phone calls that are very distracting, but after I get the slackbuild and extract and get the picasa.deb and run ./picasa.Slackbuild do I just install the .tgz from /tmp? [23:12] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.26.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:13] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:13] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] cjae: installpkg it, yeah [23:13] ok [23:14] cjae, and dance [23:14] the dancing is very important [23:14] i see [23:15] edman007: forgot to mention that. Sorry. [23:15] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [23:15] nothing to dance for cause picasa was not to my liking last time I tried it [23:15] NaCl, yea, well don't forget again! [23:15] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:15] well the learning aspect I guess [23:16] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] cjae, you can sulk too, but that tends to be less effective [23:16] Action: cjae does a warm weather dance [23:16] :p [23:16] misspwn, stop that [23:16] cjae: It takes a little while, but the learning curve is worth it in the long run [23:16] right [23:16] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:16] edman007: any suggested dances to do? [23:16] stop. hammer time! [23:17] NaCl, installed gentoo on my ps3 but that was from a stage 4 so not near as hard [23:17] I did that once. Then I tried to upgrade the kernel and gcc... [23:17] and a printed out page of instructions [23:17] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:17] Raphael_S[0FF] kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Raphael, the 8th deadly sin is ignoring the nice warning about non-broadcasting away messages. You have one day to reconsider. :) [23:19] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:19] cjae: I put YDL on my PS3. Sluggish as anything. [23:19] NaCl, was surprised to see how slow compile times where on it [23:19] The PS3 only has 256 MB of RAM, if that makes a difference. [23:19] And the compiler doesn't run on the SPEs. [23:19] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] was going to try something else when I get $ for a bigger ssd for it [23:20] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:20] g/f was severly pissed when I lost all save data for ps3 [23:20] lol. Does it actually make stuff go faster? [23:21] The SSD, I mean. [23:21] Action: cjae gets horrible reoccurring feeling in groin area [23:21] You know, you *could* back it up first. [23:21] i would have just imaged it [23:22] that's my plan for when i put debian onto my friend's ps3 [23:22] prepare for house fire followed by nuclear winter [23:22] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:22] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] apt-get is scary [23:23] yeah don't i know it [23:23] i ran lenny for a month [23:23] the one I tried was very fast could install winxp (for friend) slow partition setting was like 3 min for 80 gigs [23:23] deepyox (n=deepyox@190.40.109.115) joined ##slackware. [23:23] but was an intel ssd and was only one month old and broken [23:23] :-P [23:23] disappered from bios after install [23:24] waiting on new drive (platter) as we speak [23:24] I'm not going to get an SSD until they become more reliable [23:24] very good idea [23:25] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are few things as wonderful as a womans passionate touch" [23:25] Any suggestions of distros to run on a PS3? [23:25] dngr (n=dngr@pcd340128.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:25] no [23:26] too slow with most was going to try ubuntu just to see if any diff [23:26] Everything I have tried is either slow, out of date, or had no working WPA support [23:26] debian would probably be best [23:26] cant do it with slack? [23:26] You can, in theory [23:27] Just that the PPC port for Slack hasn't been updated in a while. [23:27] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left irc: "http://wordsmithsworldsmithsandink.com" [23:27] right ya my p4 spanked the ps3 [23:28] I was more interested in using it to fool around with the processor [23:29] sorry if I sometimes don't make sense trying to make supper [23:29] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:29] this is my next one http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=59&category=Pistol [23:31] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] apt-get sucks ass [23:31] rpms suck more [23:31] aptitude is much better [23:31] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) left irc: "ejecting..." [23:31] s/rpms/yum [23:31] I haven't touched a rpm distro for 6 years [23:32] yum = yellow dog update manager, modified. I had to use it when I tried YDL. [23:32] and don't plan on it in the future, debian packages have rules to follow and rpms don't at least not when I tried it [23:32] It was running a bunch of services that made the PS3 run much slower... [23:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:33] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:33] I might get the ubuntu when the ppc port for Jaunty comes out, assuming they have the right kernel and a SPE compiler [23:33] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] nullboy: Nice! [23:34] NaCl, get kubuntu with kde 4.2 [23:34] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:34] nice for a wm [23:35] cjae: I use KDE 4.2 on my laptop. It is really shiny. [23:35] Too shiny for the PS3, unfortunately [23:35] ya I was just trying to type that [23:35] I was going to strip it down considerably. [23:35] right [23:36] deepyox_ (n=deepyox@190.40.123.190) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Wipe out GNOME, just keep fluxbox on there if I ever need X, and run it on a terminal most of the time. [23:36] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] how is fluxbox is that the one on gparted live? [23:36] deepyox (n=deepyox@190.40.109.115) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:36] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:37] Hm... I haven't used gparted live in a while. Fluxbox is very lightweight. Perfect for things with small abouts of memory. Like the PS3. [23:37] or have you used it [23:38] I use when say I am hung over and don't want to make mistakes [23:38] :p [23:38] dsl wm [23:38] dsl is sweet [23:39] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] I don't have anything that isn't too small that I can't run Slack on it. [23:39] right slack can be on a 486 still [23:40] when's 12.3? [23:40] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [23:40] I don't have anything that isn't too small that I can't run Slack on it. <<----- I had to read that 2x to be sure you said what you meant :) [23:40] Action: nooper demands a date and time! [23:40] nooper won't be getting one, lol [23:40] Old_Fogie: T.O. enough said [23:41] NaCl, it'll be in 2012 I know that, all the big stuff's gonna happen then :) [23:41] hi kitche [23:41] Old_Fogie: what do you man? [23:41] *mean [23:41] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:41] TecROc (n=TecR0c@149.135.69.140) joined ##slackware. [23:41] I been busying myself playing with llvm+clang oon FreeBSD always fun looking for bugs on a compiler ..... [23:41] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] you don't know what 2012 is? you're obivously not a card carrying member of the tin foil hat brigade :) [23:41] wonder how much of linux will compile with it [23:41] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:42] I really need to learn that lvm and raid stuff, man so much todo, try learn... [23:42] Old_Fogie: Not that hard really :) [23:42] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [23:43] HeatHawk (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:43] I don't like lvm myself really [23:43] I dunno, it's a long howto I see. I was feeling inspired today, thought I was gonna do tftp...then realized I'm a dumb ass and quit before I got to the 8th page down at the wiki :) [23:43] HeatHawk (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] HeatHawk (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:43] HeatHawk (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:44] HeatHawk (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:44] actually, I dont have a box aside for dhcp yet...that too is on the todo, heh [23:44] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:45] lol [23:45] HeatHawk (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:46] Old_Fogie: when you're ready to try again, look into dnsmasq first. it has dhcp, dns and tftp all in one daemon [23:46] the dns is a forwarding daemon [23:46] nullboy, yes I was reading a debian wiki, at debian admin site, they too recommended that as well. [23:46] it's easy to work with too [23:47] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] I read somewhere that slack 12.2 comes with every codec installed is this true? cause noatun just doesn't load [23:47] cjae: not true [23:47] it does not come with any proprietary codecs [23:47] right just like every other distro [23:47] that includes DeCSS and flash ;) [23:47] right [23:47] deepyox_ (n=deepyox@190.40.123.190) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:47] cjae, not necessarily, it comes able to play mp3 (not all others include that) [23:48] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Success [23:48] right but mp3s dont play either [23:48] they should by default [23:48] well then you've got something wrong then [23:48] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.205) left irc: "leaving" [23:49] [===============>.....] resync = 79.6% (583555136/732571904) finish=48.6min speed=51028K/sec [23:49] cjae, try using "madplay foo.mp3" ; check your user account in audio group ; check kmixer has all your volumes up (you did run alsaconf as root no?) [23:49] almost there! [23:49] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] nullboy, rysncing what? [23:50] it's a raid 1 resync [23:50] oh [23:50] It's been doing that for a while... [23:50] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:50] well cli works (mpg123) [23:50] yep [23:51] cjae: xine should work too [23:51] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [23:51] TecR0c (n=TecR0c@acetow2.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:51] amarok? [23:51] nullboy: http://www.50bmgstore.com/UsedGuns/smlpics/Ruger_P90_3.JPG Thats what I currently own. Same grip to, which is tons better than stock. I wanna change the trigger to be more like yours and require less effort to pull. [23:51] maybe you have a farts, i mean arts issue cjae ? [23:52] or kmixer [23:52] think it just noatun when I used slack like years ago I couldn't make noatun play a .wav [23:52] agentc0re: i have a p345 from ruger too [23:52] alsa [23:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:52] agentc0re: it's a lot like your's [23:52] or does noatun use arts [23:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] cjae, noatun should play a wav, try one in the /usr/share/sounds folder [23:52] cjae: it does [23:52] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:52] agentc0re: you like your p90? [23:53] nullboy: Ya, I like it a lot actually. It has more kick than I would've expected, but hey it's a .45 after all. [23:54] so noatun plays .wav [23:54] yeah, i've shot .380, 9mm, .44mag and .45 and i like the .45 the most [23:54] it's a happy medium [23:54] 44mag is a bit overkill [23:55] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net expired. [23:55] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:55] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:56] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:56] nullboy: You know, worst case scenario too the .45 is the best protection weapon imo. It's meant for stopping power and wont go through much, so if you miss your robber you more than likely wont kill any of your neighbors. I dunno why we ever gave it up as a side arm in the military. [23:56] Action: hba has noticed all changes in -current... cool :) [23:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:57] ok now it works for all .mp3 must have been mount issue b4 [23:57] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:57] .38 special and .44 are both way over kill. Those things are powerful. My friend has a .38. We were just shooting a tree. The .45 would barely penetrate it but his .38 would go through half way through on a truck size of about 20" diameter. [23:58] ivan8013 (n=Ivan@190.148.53.106) joined ##slackware. [23:58] my sound is always good do I have to run alsaconf? I know how, but is it recommended even if sound is good? [23:58] cjae: you might as well [23:58] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [23:59] I remember that most slackware guides ask you to [23:59] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:00] --- Tue Mar 10 2009