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[00:15] Shingoshi: how did you screw up your /dev/null? mode should be 0666 [00:16] Shingoshi: while you're at it, "ls -l /dev/null", make sure it's actually a character device and not a regular file or something [00:16] err, I thought gimp would do it, but that failed. [00:16] o_O lol [00:17] Hmm, I have another idea. :) [00:18] "the gimp's sleepin'" [00:18] Hey Urchlay. How are you? [00:19] ge0rge007 (n=ge0rge@f69-65.fdsl.aegean.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:19] slowly getting over a cold [00:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:19] have been able to breathe thru both nostrils for most of the day today [00:19] how long have you had the cold now? [00:19] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.89.5) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:19] first symptoms were monday night [00:20] I alot of times have good luck with those breath right nasal strips if I'm congested. [00:20] Urchlay: sorry to hear of it [00:21] Action: MLanden hands Urchlay a bowl of soup in the tux mug...:D [00:21] mmmm, that's good soup [00:21] Chicken Noodle FTW!!! :) [00:22] yar [00:22] just ask tux what the source if the soup is,Urchlay...;) [00:22] s/if/of [00:22] I like the Cambell's and Progresso Chicken Noodles with the celery and carrots in it. Mmmm, good stuff. [00:22] hahaha, yes, my idea worked. [00:25] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [00:26] penguin soup? (they're birds, so are chickens...?) [00:26] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] lol, just as long as it's tux (penguin) and not tuz (tazmanian devil) soup. :) [00:27] true [00:28] tasmanian devils are what, felines? [00:28] marsupials? [00:28] marsupials [00:28] marsupial carnivore [00:28] probly tastes like cat then [00:28] largest living. [00:28] marsupial carnivore [00:29] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Sarcophilus harrisii [00:29] yep, they'll eat goats, stoats, elephants and especially rabbits:) [00:30] When they're stressed, they give off an offensive odor. [00:30] joannis (n=joannis@217.145.202.69) joined ##slackware. [00:30] anything that will eat a goat is probably not something I'd want to eat [00:30] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:30] elephants?! [00:30] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.90.212) joined ##slackware. [00:31] they're ugly, too [00:31] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:31] ha-ha, vague Bugs Bunny reference there:) [00:32] dartmouth: agreed [00:32] They suffer from DFTD, Devil Facial Tumour Disease. [00:32] yes [00:32] well, I hear it will be legal to marry them some time around 2012 [00:32] lol [00:33] haha [00:33] dartmouth: Which place will legalize that first? [00:33] Yikes. One of you guys should have banned me for that. firebird619 I think probably maine. [00:33] LOL [00:33] Nah, no ban for that. :P [00:34] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] ##slackware's an *open* community. :D [00:34] dartmouth: some of them are pretty hot [00:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430865.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:36] I can has cheezburger and boifriend?!? http://www.reallynatural.com/pictures/tasmaniandevil.jpg ...:D [00:37] I'm kidding......jeez someone take away my beer:) [00:37] here http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads13/opossum+503911215324486.jpg LOL...:D [00:37] Action: firebird619 takes away hitest's beer. [00:37] lol [00:37] damn [00:37] ask and you shall receive. :P [00:37] I know [00:38] I'm still thirsty tho [00:38] water is your friend. :) [00:38] ha, true:) [00:39] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.90.212) left irc: "Leaving" [00:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-80-173.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [00:42] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.66.178) joined ##slackware. [00:45] MLanden: Oh my, just clicked on your link:) hehe [00:46] cool [00:46] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.190) joined ##slackware. [00:46] which one,taz or the possum? [00:46] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] This channel is pretty quiet tonight... everybody must be out at Star Trek. [00:47] relax time! [00:47] ehh, that started tonight? [00:47] nix_chix0r: yay! Relaxing = good. [00:47] Urchlay: Yeah, I just got back from it. [00:47] Urchlay: How do I make it a character device? Does chmod 666 do that for me? [00:47] Action: eviljames went out and got his nerd on. [00:47] still waiting for the movie about the ship where Mr. Chekhov is the captain [00:47] hey eviljames. [00:47] you know, Tsar Trek... [00:48] firebird619: how goes? [00:48] Shingoshi: "man mknod" [00:48] eviljames: goes good. [00:48] ok [00:48] good to hear. [00:48] eviljames: is it as bad as the previews led me to believe? [00:48] MLanden: the possum:) [00:48] hitest: cool [00:48] Shingoshi: if I remembered exactly what the command was, I'd tell you (not trying to be a "RTFM noob" type, I really don't remember) [00:50] Thank you! Because I will have to look for how to do it. The man doesn't explain it. Not enough. [00:50] Urchlay: I think the hardest core ST fans will be critical no matter what. [00:50] If I weren't so cheap, I would go see it. [00:51] Shingoshi: the major and minor device numbers are 1 and 3 [00:51] eviljames: I'm a real old fart and a die-hard Star trek fan. So.....is the new film good? [00:51] The previews gave me good chills. [00:51] hrm. The previews made me think "wow, that's really melodramatic and pretentious" [00:51] Hi hitest! Good to see you here! [00:52] perhaps "mknod -m 0666 /dev/null c 1 3" [00:52] I hope you caught my joke in my post? [00:52] Urchlay: Nope, it's more of an action movie than anything... [00:52] er, how'd you trash /dev/null anyway? Shouldn't udevd recreate it automagically? [00:52] hiya Shingoshi, good to see you, man:) yep I caught the joke:) [00:53] There are ups and downs, on the whole I will probably go see it in the theatre again before torrenting it and considering to purchase. [00:54] eviljames: would you recommend it to someone who has hated the last 3 or 4 trek movies? (last good one, to me, was "generations") [00:54] So it has the eviljames thumbs up. In spite of pulling a lot of classic lines from TOS. [00:54] Urchlay: Oh yes. [00:54] hm. [00:54] I'm a sucker for all Trek films, I love them all [00:54] Urchlay: Most definitely, that was my concern -- that it would be a long TV episode. Not the case here. [00:54] how's ol' Sylar's performance as Spock? [00:55] I don't think I've seen one I haven't loved! [00:55] um. Reserving judgment on that one. [00:55] hitest: Then you're going to be impressed. [00:55] ps. Sulu kicks ass. [00:55] awesome [00:55] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:55] TopBunny88 (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:55] :) [00:55] TopBunny88 (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] As a child, Spock was my father. Good role model for me. [00:56] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@70.156.235.223) joined ##slackware. [00:56] Spock was my left-brain, Bones my right.. [00:56] bonehead [00:57] Logical Compassion. [00:57] lotec (n=lotec@adsl-65-68-106-153.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:57] mmlj4: no that is B5. ;) [00:57] k, so apologies if this is a spoiler but the actor got Bones to a freakin' T. [00:57] so that would make Kirk your other brain? :D [00:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:58] Kirk didn't have one, except between his legs... [00:58] kirk didn't need a brain, apparently [00:58] did just fine on testosterone & saurian brandy [00:58] I mean the original Kirk. [00:58] yeah [00:59] hitest are you over 50? [01:00] yes [01:00] 51 [01:00] Action: Shingoshi is 52 > 53 in August. [01:00] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.190) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] I'll be 52 in August [01:00] :) [01:00] 15th? [01:01] 13th [01:01] lol, close. :) [01:01] Holy Shit!! [01:01] heh [01:01] It's a small world after all. :) [01:01] agreed [01:01] Wow. What else could be said about that. [01:02] You two don't live in the same city also, do you? :P [01:02] I live in Canada [01:02] I have a feeling he's in England. Ok. I was wrong. [01:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:02] Oregon. [01:02] ah [01:02] south of me, I'm in BC [01:03] Geez! [01:03] Are you in Vancouver? [01:03] nope [01:03] x1nux (n=x1nux@unaffiliated/x1nux) joined ##slackware. [01:03] ok [01:03] north coast [01:03] Prince Rupert [01:03] Wow. That must be real pretty. [01:03] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009217149.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:03] close to Alaska [01:03] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009217149.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [01:03] yes [01:03] Wow [01:04] Are you right on the coastline? [01:04] it is beautiful [01:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:04] yes [01:04] I'm jealous of you! [01:04] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:04] x1nux (n=x1nux@unaffiliated/x1nux) left irc: "Leaving" [01:04] Shingoshi: take a vacation. :D [01:04] I hope all of you are doing well. [01:05] don't be too jealous it rains like a SOB here:) [01:05] but [01:05] And for those who are close to their mothers, show them some love this weekend. [01:05] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:05] It's bad here in Salem too. [01:05] sahko (n=sahko@94.68.129.180) joined ##slackware. [01:05] But I have lived on the coast. [01:05] when it is sunny there is no other place that is as beautiful [01:05] And I loved it there. [01:06] yeah [01:06] I'm happy here [01:06] it is home [01:07] So your city is small enough to have it's own internet provider. I mean owned by the city. [01:07] yes [01:07] not very good though [01:07] heh all kde rebuilt with txz . gcc* too [01:07] Now I have to look you up in Google maps. [01:08] yes [01:08] :) [01:08] sahko: Do you use mc? I can't view the .txz contents in mc. I really miss that. [01:08] dance dance [01:08] nix_chix0r: are you relaxing now? :) [01:08] But then, I was using pkgtools-tukaani for the longest. [01:09] ge0rge007 (n=ge0rge@f69-65.fdsl.aegean.gr) left ##slackware. [01:09] firebird619, oh yes, and watching old eddie murphy on comedy central [01:09] :) [01:09] nice [01:09] Action: Shingoshi listens to http://www.swissgroove.ch [01:10] glass of wine would be nice [01:10] Shingoshi: i ll check when i find an txz. havent rsynced yet. but its possible [01:10] Dancing in his chair. [01:10] I'm in a battle with inkscape, and it's winning. [01:10] Action: firebird619 hands nix_chix0r a glass of wine. :) [01:10] sahko: Download src2pkg and build one. Set the extension to .txz in the src2pkg.conf. [01:11] meh. i dont use PMS's other than pkgtools [01:11] not even slackpkg [01:11] src2pkg is not a package manager. It's a build tool. [01:11] Complete one at that. [01:12] yes [01:12] mmmm [01:12] whatever, it dont use it. :) [01:12] hitest: You use it also? [01:12] I do [01:12] Fabulous! [01:12] I've been using it for a number of years. [01:13] Kind of a contributor of sorts. [01:13] I admire gnashley's work [01:13] You're not alone on that one. [01:13] He's my coach and mentor. [01:14] hitest: See this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3534967#post3534967 [01:14] Cool. I very-much appreciate what he does for our community [01:15] click [01:15] I'm advocating for improvements to pkgtools-tukaani. Not that it needs much improvement. [01:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:16] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] I've been trying to convince Lasse to upgrade/update pkgtools-tukaani. [01:16] He told me to pay him for it! [01:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] back [01:18] wb hitest [01:18] ty [01:18] wb,hitest [01:19] clicked on the wrong damn button [01:19] thanks, MLanden:) [01:19] hitest: np [01:19] :) [01:20] redtricycle (n=lionel@68.125.161.157) joined ##slackware. [01:21] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.131.124) left irc: "Leaving" [01:21] Hey guys, where can I find a list of common kernel modules to disable? [01:21] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:21] I want to compile my own kernel [01:22] Shingoshi if you ever want to look me up my lq username is NewBirth88 [01:22] Be careful. Some software requires that things are loaded as modules. [01:23] TopBunny88: Thank you! I'll check you out. [01:23] Linux Kicks redmond ass [01:23] kicks and then ties it up in a bow. [01:23] bill gates go at it with linus? 10 bucks on gates :P [01:23] hey firebird619 :) [01:24] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Shingoshi: I am a bit of a hot head whennit comes to newbies asking stupiquestion on lq In fact I just had to serve a infraction for telling a newbie to Read the Frigging Manual. [01:24] I dunno.....Gates is getting a bit long in the tooth.....my money is on Linus:) [01:25] hey antler. How goes it? [01:25] TB88 = female? [01:25] good, thanks. how are you? [01:25] No i Have Dick so am fefinatly male [01:25] Oh, okay. [01:26] actually, i'd like to see rms and linus go at it in the octagon. no rules. one winner. to the death. [01:26] I don't know too many men comfortable using bunny in their name. [01:26] No i Have a Dick so am fefinatly male [01:26] oops. not linus, but theo [01:26] TDR would play dirty. [01:27] antler: a GNU-linux death match:) [01:27] And then RMS would call on his army. [01:27] lol [01:27] I like to se the us federal government turn their dogs lose on gates [01:27] hitest: :) [01:27] It would be epic. [01:27] yes [01:27] i honestly think theo would walk out and rms would be dead. [01:27] yeah [01:28] It we be more like a battle of the century [01:28] It must be good that some of us were never newbies. Life must be great. [01:29] well [01:29] I was a n00b [01:29] lol [01:29] Nick change: TopBunny88 -> Cryptic_BAt [01:29] I was being sarcastic... [01:29] heh:) [01:29] Action: Motoko-chan remembers being new and out of her depth [01:30] Motoko-chan is female? [01:30] Nick change: Cryptic_BAt -> Cryptic_Bat [01:31] "cause you made me feel shiny and new. hey!" --madonna [01:31] Be careful, there. [01:31] No ne as in rebirth in my use of computers as a interment of self improvement. [01:32] what the... [01:32] Its alphbet soup [01:33] antler: I'm great, thanks. [01:33] hitest: Have you started building .txz packages yet? [01:33] nope [01:33] not yet [01:33] Which version of src2pkg do you have? [01:34] Although i have thought about becoming female latter in life [01:34] You only need to change the extension in src2pkg.conf [01:34] joannis (n=joannis@217.145.202.69) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:34] the latest one from gnashley's site: 1.9.7 [01:34] Cryptic_Bat: wtf are you smoking? [01:34] gimme some :P [01:34] Action: chopp beats Cryptic_Bat with his club [01:35] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [01:35] hitest: Ok. He sends me his latest to test for him. I have 1.9.8-8 [01:35] !bitchslap antler [01:35] oooo yeah, i like that. harder! [01:35] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:36] what the... [01:36] hitest: You only need to do this: PKG_FORMAT="txz" [01:37] cool [01:38] I also compress my man pages with lzma. [01:39] I'm not sure if your version will do that or not. [01:39] But the PKG_FORMAT should work just fine. [01:43] Motoko-chan: Check your LQ PM. [01:44] I have an LQ account? [01:44] Folks.....it is getting late on the west coast here...I'm calling it a night. I will see you tomorrow. Good night:) [01:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:45] night hitest [01:45] How do i set the timein date on my machine? [01:45] Motoko-chan: Is this you? http://www.linuxquestions.org/user/motoko-464531/ [01:46] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [01:47] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:47] Action: Motoko-chan can't see without login [01:48] That person just registered in March 2009. [01:48] hmm wtf has all slackware been ported to txz ? [01:48] And I don't see any mail from that domain [01:49] no wonder the changelog broke [01:49] So I don't think it's me... [01:49] ok [01:49] Cryptic_Bat: i install openntpd and run ntpd -s [01:49] I sent the wrong person a hello. [01:49] man why is ff the only app that i have to run kill -9 on every now and again [01:49] antler: You too! [01:49] lol [01:50] antler: Does your ff hang after upgrading extensions? [01:50] I mean on restart. [01:51] osuosl is hot. [01:51] Shingoshi: i don't upgrade extensions often, so.... [01:52] Hi rworkman. How are you? [01:52] rworkman: how do you updagrade now? i guess we're not supposed to upgrade to the txz's for all packages.. [01:52] up da grade [01:53] sahko: you'll notice that a few packages aren't .txz - they're still tgz [01:53] pkgtools, gzip, tar, slackpkg iirc [01:53] ah. makes senes [01:53] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [01:53] Action: Shingoshi is checking on this .txz now. [01:53] so ill upgrade the gz's [01:54] giuppy (n=giuppy@host231-162-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Shingoshi: mc doesnt work with txz [01:54] needs to be patched [01:55] i wonder if the rsync script is gonna remove the no longer needed tgz's [01:55] It doesn't work, and it apparently requires magic incantations to do so. [01:55] which it should do [01:55] Have fun working it out then. I quit. There's a thread on LQ with my synopsis somewhere. [01:56] the should do was about rsync not mc [01:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [01:56] it just took me a while to write that [01:56] :) [01:58] This is amazing! For the first time, I am really proud of Slackware. I hope that doesn't change. 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[02:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:02] I think Slackware-13 is about to be released. [02:02] i think you're smoking crack [02:03] jaguargt (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:04] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:05] I think that was a disrespectful statement to make -- "For the first time, I am really proud of Slackware." [02:05] sahko: no, I don't have stats from before and after - sorry [02:06] I've been proud of Slackware since I started using it. :) [02:06] Action: chopp scp's Shingoshi a free pass to rehab [02:07] I'm curious about what exactly Shingoshi is looking at that make him think a release is about to happen [02:07] makes [02:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:07] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] Nick change: jaguargt -> dhabyx [02:08] I still can't get the date to come out right [02:08] I'm running current. So I get to see how many updates are made daily. [02:08] I think many of the packages have already been updated. [02:08] so are many of us in here [02:09] paissad (n=paissad@224.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:10] Shingoshi: so what do you see that suggests a release is eminent? [02:10] Here's a helpful hint, btw, to save some bandwidth: you can convert your existing *.tgz packages to *.txz on your local system, and they should be bit-identical to the mirrors. [02:11] txz? [02:11] The big step in a new release, is rebuilding gcc. That's been done now. [02:12] Shingoshi: So i wasted five cds last night [02:13] Sorry! [02:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Could you use a dvd instead the next time? [02:14] I do n't haveany cash left from my weekly allowence toppurchase a packet of dvds [02:14] I don't have any cash left from my weekly allowence toppurchase a packet of dvds [02:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) joined ##slackware. [02:14] I thnk that with txz, all of Slacky.eu could be added to the distribution now as well. [02:14] ..... [02:14] Cryptic_Bat: awwww. Cryptic_Bat gets an allowance [02:15] Shingoshi: lets just not do that, shall we. :) [02:15] just to install firefox3 i need to upgrade gtk on a slackware 11, that is, deinstall and recompile lots of libs and tools that depend on these libs that depend on these libs... f**k [02:15] or we could just stop shipping a compiler. [02:15] (you know, as long as we're discussing ways to fuck up Slackware) [02:15] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.108.21) left irc: "leaving" [02:15] The Moon is Full [02:15] ^^ Ah! [02:15] antler: I tsparet of Clearning to live on you own keeping a weekly budget [02:15] Indeed. :D [02:15] must be [02:16] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] No wounder my luck has been so bad/ [02:16] good morning :] [02:17] morning l4m3rx [02:17] Winter__ (n=Winter@75-121-152-169.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] I meant all of those packages could fit on a single dvd. Slacky.eu will probably do it themselves. Even if Slackware doesn't. [02:19] I wonder how much revenue they cause Pat to lose by doing that? [02:20] That's why they should work together, and not competitively. [02:20] WHAT? [02:20] nvm [02:20] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [02:20] this makes no sense. i must leave until this stop. [02:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [02:20] +1^ [02:20] who's fucking distro is this anyway [02:21] You should all bow down and worship your god! [02:22] How the fuck does slacky.eu go about that request? "Hi Pat, we've been taking your work and providing it to people for free. If you'll work with us, which implies that we get to have some say in Slackware or maybe some of the money, then we'll stop doing that." [02:23] Profit sharing? [02:23] and don't start with the bullshit about "the GPL allows this" -- of course it does. You are also allowed to play to chicken with a train, but that doesn't make it a good idea. [02:24] is 'cfdisk' not available in the 12.2 installation environment?? [02:24] Xires: should be. [02:25] Seems as if some of Slackware's users (or forks) need a remedial Biology course - specifically in symbiotic relationships. [02:25] BP{k}; any idea where it might be? I'm trying to talk someone through installing Slackware but he said it can't find 'cfdisk' [02:25] We have a subscription at wrok [02:25] work [02:25] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Success [02:25] Even if we don't actually use the discs. [02:25] Motoko-chan: and that's appreciated ; thanks :) [02:25] Action: Motoko-chan keeps a local mirror + network install [02:26] ditto [02:26] I really need to see about a donation to slamd64 [02:26] +1 [02:26] It runs on one of the big servers we use. [02:26] yo BP{k} [02:26] lw0x15: yow! [02:26] Xires: one sec, let me fire up VBox [02:27] Xires: should be in /sbin/cfdisk (based on booting from the slackware-12.2 DVD [02:28] BP{k}; tyvm..I had him reboot the box and he found it now..dunno why it didn't find it the first time [02:30] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@125-238-240-69.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:31] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@125-238-240-69.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left ##slackware. [02:34] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-12.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:35] rgdfgte (n=loot@122-124-137-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:40] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-98-23.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:41] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [02:42] good morning [02:42] good morning. [02:42] so, you into databases eh? [02:43] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [02:43] I'm not no. Do you have a question? I'm sure someone can help you out. [02:43] oh no, just saw the name [02:44] heh, The name's just something I chose one day to use, doesn't really specify anything. [02:44] yeah, those mozilla ppl did the same thing [02:45] Yeah, firefox was firebird at one time, then they changed it. [02:46] they've still got a couple of birds though :p [02:46] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [02:46] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] thunderbird, what's the other one? [02:47] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:47] the calendar one [02:47] heh and here i thought you owned a pontiac firebird [02:47] sunbird [02:47] oh yeah, duh. :P [02:48] antler: nice car, but nope, don't own one. :) [02:48] I guess songbird is out there too. [02:48] antler: haven't got any further with the freebsd mouse issue. [02:48] heh, I had to wikipedia Fennec [02:49] the icon looks birdlike... but its a fox [02:49] I will get it eventually though. :) [02:49] firebird619: that's too bad. didn't the visit to #freebsd help at all? [02:50] probly resulted in "zomgRTFMn00b lol!!11oneone" [02:50] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [02:51] Well, in a way, they mentioned that a funky mouse driver may be needed, I haven't done much with that. My xorg.conf's mouse section is exactly the same as the couple people that helped me. [02:51] Urchlay: No, they were really nice. [02:51] cool [02:51] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [02:51] er, you have a funky mouse? [02:51] evidently. [02:51] It's a laser wireless mouse. [02:51] cause I have yet to see a funky mouse that doesn't work as a normal mouse, as a fallback [02:51] usb? [02:51] M$ brand. [02:51] yeah, usb [02:52] the generic HID mouse driver ought to work (whatever it's called in fBSD) [02:52] maybe not all the buttons would work [02:52] I tried a Dell branded logitech usb corded mouse too, it didn't work either. [02:52] ...err, unless maybe it's a bluetooth wireless mouse? [02:52] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-1-17.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:52] nope, not bluetooth [02:52] your dell should Just Work [02:52] everything should just work [02:53] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:53] not an expert on BSD or anything, just can't conceive of any OS released this year that doesn't support USB mice out of the box [02:53] Urchlay: yeah, I know. It's weird. good thing it's just in VBox. :P [02:53] heh my kb and mouse don't work out of the box in said os [02:54] the one person mentioned in there that he's had a lot of issues with stuff not "just working" in freebsd. :) [02:55] I have memories of freebsd 4.x as a nice OS, not real user friendly, but worked well if you're comfortable in UNIXey environments [02:56] can't believe it's gotten to the level of "user-hostile" [02:56] I wonder. Since you're in vbox, you need to maybe install the vbox guest addons (assuming they even exist for freeBSD guests)? [02:58] Yeah, not sure about that. [02:59] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.160) joined ##slackware. [03:00] I'm not sure how I'd install guest additions with the mouse not working. Is there a way to bring up the kde menu, etc. via keyboard? [03:01] firebird619: omg can't believe i didn't think of that. Urchlay is probably right. [03:01] never tried KDE, but ctrl-esc is the "default" menu combination [03:01] firebird619: but it should just work even w/o guest additions, though [03:01] yeah, but worth a try. [03:01] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:02] switch to another console, "DISPLAY=:0 command", it's up to you to figure out what "command" should be :) [03:02] borrowed a friend's star trek box set, all 10 movies. about to see how many i get through before i fall asleep [03:03] :O a challenge. :) [03:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] that, or just insert the virtual CD, then, in a console (not X), mount the CD and cd /mnt/cdrom, ls, etc. until you figure out what's what [03:04] firebird619: i remember reading something a few months ago about difficulties in installing guest additions in freebsd [03:04] is this the sun virtual box? [03:04] antler: I predict you'll pass out during either I or IV [03:04] Its a pain to get working if you don't have all the dependencies already [03:04] (if you make it through I, you're OK through II and III at least) [03:05] Urchlay: heh iv was 'the voyage home'.... i remember liking it :P [03:05] IV was asuming, if you didn't take it seriously [03:05] V kinda pissed me off [03:05] With Spocks bro [03:05] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] that was never mentioned before or after that movie? [03:05] but, yeah, i skipped one and started with 'the wrath of khan' [03:06] "oh, by the way, Spock has a long-lost brother who happens to be the leader of an evil cult" [03:06] antler: Opera's doing a contest now with a quiz, you answer the quiz questions and then have a chance to win Motion Picture Trilogy or Star Trek: The original series. [03:06] and kirk/bones/etc are doing the "we don't *wanna* boldly go where no man has gone before!", so the ship has to get hijacked to get them to [03:06] firebird619: i have a box set of 10 movies in front of me now [03:07] cool, have fun. :) [03:07] Urchlay: oh that one hahahah [03:07] Action: Shingoshi has KDE-4.2.3. Initially seems faster in response. Panel now pops up immediately like it's supposed to do. [03:08] Urchlay: 'the undiscovered country' [03:08] I barely remember what the next movie was. Something about Kirk and McCoy captured by Klingons and put on trial, and I think that one had the line about "You haven't read Shakespeare until you're read it in the original Klingon" [03:08] lol [03:08] that line kills me [03:09] "Those weren't his knees" [03:09] hehheh [03:09] hahaha [03:09] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [03:09] that's the one with the shape-shifter [03:10] but that shakespeare line.... wow lol [03:10] "i cant believe I kissed you" "must have been your life long ambition" ? got kind of schoolyardish there for a while [03:10] pee wee kirk [03:11] for whatever reason, i quite enjoyed 'generations' [03:12] yeah [03:12] was expecting to hate it, went to see it, was Ok [03:12] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [03:12] that whole bit when kirk was chopping wood, talking to picard.... their perspectives..... was pretty cool [03:13] the first two were the only ones that seemed "real" to me, the rest just seemed like cheesy sci-fi [03:13] ivan8013__ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.160) joined ##slackware. [03:13] I kinda wish they'd let Trek die during the 1980s [03:14] then we could get a revival of it, like galactica and dr. who got [03:14] like star wars... [03:14] ugh [03:14] we got a reanimated zombie corpse, in the case of star wars... [03:15] ST:next generation was the revival [03:15] yeah, they should have never done that [03:15] you didn't like tng? [03:15] should have done "Star Trek: Phase II" like the original plan was [03:15] I like parts of TNG [03:15] Rat409 (n=nobody@205.209.66.178) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:16] Deep Space 9 and Voyager are about unwatchable to me though [03:16] you mean you didn't love neelix?? [03:16] :P [03:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Phase_II [03:16] and dax! [03:16] lol [03:17] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:17] Urchlay: oh cool [03:17] had no idea about that [03:17] yeah, it would have been better than the motion picture, IMO [03:19] i don't know... they were going to put Lieutenant "diana troy" Ilia in there [03:19] they put her in the movie, too [03:21] k, tng could've done w/o troi and laforge, possible one or two others. [03:21] you're going to laugh at me maybe... but I really like ST: The Animated Series [03:21] what? no reading rainbow? [03:21] god he's annoying. and it actually comes out in the series too. he almost never has a woman [03:22] Urchlay: i remember watching that hahah [03:22] antler: watch it again [03:22] Urchlay: i don't know where to rent / get it [03:22] I watched it as a kid but didn't remember too much about it [03:22] watched again last year, expecting a couple of laughs [03:23] it was like a continuation of the original series [03:23] there's a boxed set (which I borrowed from someone, but had to give back) [03:23] ha. let me point out some inconsistancies. In one ST:TNG episode, the doctor was saying a certain wall was hot but Jordi with his special visor couldnt tell the wall was hot! [03:23] oh you can buy it? [03:23] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "leaving" [03:25] man is it me, or is beverly crusher kinda hot? :P [03:25] kinda, yeah [03:25] haha [03:25] in a MILF-ey sort of way [03:25] exactly! [03:26] tank-man: Was Jordi having glitches in that episode? He had them from time to time. [03:26] antler: probly the guy I borrowed that boxed set from, got it from amazon [03:26] Shingoshi, no, the wall was hot and exploded some panel and he flew back. how can his visor not tell him the wall is hot [03:26] i honestly cannot believe that there is one person that likes laforge [03:27] Background radiation. [03:27] I think he was awesome [03:27] heh. I knew someone was going to say that [03:27] but I grew up watching reading rainbow [03:27] [firestarter] (n=paulo@189.27.225.248.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:27] this episode http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Generation-Episode-Disaster/dp/6304179596 [03:27] ok, but the guy who reads to little kids is not laforge hahah [03:27] they should have had Mr. Rogers do a guest appearance as a fleet admiral or something [03:28] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:28] oh man hahah [03:28] and Captain Kangaroo would make a nice Klingon, don't you think? [03:28] [firestarter] (n=paulo@189.27.225.248.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [03:28] sweet deal, lets get marry poppins in there too [03:28] What exactly was anyone's biggest problem with Jordi? [03:28] he's irritating imo [03:29] And Tom wasn't? [03:29] tom who? [03:29] whotf is tom?? [03:29] Number One. [03:30] Will [03:30] wesley crusher was my enemy #1 [03:30] riker? also irritating, and kinda pointless (he was sorta like a surrogate captain, he didn't really do anything useful) [03:30] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] "Fire at will!" [03:30] It's been a while, and I'm old. [03:30] sahko (n=sahko@94.68.129.180) left irc: "leaving" [03:30] "But Captain, he's still on the bridge!" [03:30] thebigh: yes. they could've done w/o wesley. totally. [03:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-180.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:31] I think most of you couldn't exist without someone to worship. [03:31] the TNG enterprise is supposedly full of civilians, women & children, etc. [03:31] even the actor that played wesley said he hated the role [03:31] heh. I think that applies to most of the human race, Shingoshi [03:31] laforge is in the same category as malcom and that black guy in enterprise [03:32] Malcom? [03:32] anyway I don't think anybody here worships trek, or any of its characters... [03:32] Shingoshi: you seem quite fixated on the notion of worship [03:32] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.245) joined ##slackware. [03:33] (anyone who put their religion down as "Trekkie" on the census form, speak up now....) [03:33] malcom, tactical [03:33] Raising someone to the level of cult leader status, is worship. [03:33] lol , i hear some people put down jedi for religion [03:33] who's doing that? [03:33] and who has cult leader status, iyo. [03:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon [03:34] jedi for religion... that's like basing your life on "touched by an angel" [03:35] thebigh: well if you're an atheist, you might put down "jedi" for a joke [03:35] you can edit that wiki entry to make you as leader [03:35] thebigh: i remember thinking that the force/jedi, whatever, had some elements of eastern philosophy [03:35] KyNs (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) joined ##slackware. [03:36] (don't think the US census even asks about religion... but if I were asked that question I'd tell em "none of the government's business") [03:36] KyNs (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:36] Urchlay: I'm sure it did... till those last movies came out [03:36] A religion exists in the code of ethics propsed. So Jedi can easily be a religion, if it's ethics are well codified. [03:36] antler: it does, cause Lucas was a fan of Japanese film (even went there during the 70s) [03:37] KyNs (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) joined ##slackware. [03:37] eh? religions usually (not always) profess a code of ethics, but by itself a code of ethics doesn't make a religion [03:37] The midi-chlorians made me kill my wife! [03:37] Urchlay: oh, that he was a fan makes sense now [03:37] I ask to be excused on religious grounds [03:37] thebigh: hahaha [03:37] And we could mention Dune as well. Frank Herbert was a historian of religion and culture. [03:38] antler: in fact he was planning to do the first movie with an all-Japanese cast, but the studio shot that down [03:38] Urchlay: back then definitely. perhaps even now [03:39] all japanese in a hollywood blockbuster? nope. [03:39] again, dune... good first couple books.... but then those sequels.... [03:39] Yeah. The sequels lost me too. [03:40] antler: more than you ever wanted to know about the origins of star wars: http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/ [03:40] But I don't think Frank wrote those. So that would explain the lack of continuity. [03:41] I started reading Dune possibly before I saw Star Wars. But in the same year though. [03:41] eh? Frank wrote them all up to & including Chapterhouse (book 6) [03:41] the prequels were after he was dead [03:41] ok [03:41] Urchlay: dood where you find these sites? good stuff [03:41] supposedly by his son (but not really), with a crappy starwars novel writer as coauthor [03:41] It got very esoteric. Even more so than the starting set. [03:42] aporio (n=aporio@79.232.165.110) left ##slackware. [03:42] the prequels IMO are terrible... no depth to them at all, they're like action/adventure stories set in the Dune universe [03:42] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.216) joined ##slackware. [03:43] antler: I don't even remember, that site's been there for ages :) [03:43] and then erasmus comes back at the very end of the last sequel [03:43] ugh [03:43] yeah, I forced myself to read "book 7" [03:43] like no one saw that coming... [03:44] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host34-235-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:44] I can't help but think that had *nothing* to do with what Frank Herbert had planned for the last book [03:44] Damn! Am I going to have to read all of them again? [03:45] sadly, there are now more shitty Dune books than there are good ones (like 6 originals by Frank, and 8 or 10 crap ones by Kevin J. Anderson) [03:45] Any of you use the maximum number of desktops in KDE? [03:45] well he did set it up in his books about the robots that were out there... even the god emperor pointed to it [03:45] but I can't believe that the original idea was erasmus and the other one [03:46] too... one dimentional [03:46] nah, if Herbert had thinking machines, they'd be more like Ship from "The Jesus Incident" [03:46] ivan8013__ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.160) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:47] (heh, maybe that was the plan, merge the two series together, a la Asimov's Robot and Foundation series) [03:47] heh will smith [03:47] um b4 i do something that may cause major problems .. in the /tmp directory there are a lot of sbo tars and in ht /tmp/sbo there are what looks like extracted tars to do the build... is it safe to delte these... i need the room and also want to start removing some programs i know im not going to need [03:48] i delete /tmp all the time [03:48] the same would go with wherever the actual tars are located for slackpkg [03:48] hi antler [03:48] but i always save the packages built there [03:48] Mine is mounted on tmpfs. I have 8 GBs to play with. [03:48] do you... so basically anything in there is fair game [03:48] VampirePenguin: hi [03:49] heh, R Daneel Olivaw [03:50] i have a 10gb / which ive never needed more than 6gb before..... so im trying to figure out way to trim that excess down [03:50] wonder if whoever invented the Data character for Trek had ever read the books with Daneel in them [03:50] this is really a new ground for me in building things from source [03:50] hymneforthedead (n=hymnefor@ip68-230-207-159.rd.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] speaking about robots... anyone else thing that 'a.i.' would've been much, much better had kubrick been able to finish it? [03:50] what? no slackpackage? [03:50] VampirePenguin: it's always safe to "rm -rf /tmp/SBo" unless you're actually in the middle of building one of their packages [03:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.216) left irc: "Leaving" [03:51] *think [03:51] Later Guys. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take Care. [03:51] antler: never saw it. Worth watching at all? [03:51] bye firebird619 [03:51] bye antler [03:51] see ya Urchlay [03:51] nite, fbird [03:51] Urchlay, where does slackpkg keep the original dls and extracted tars [03:51] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:51] antler: "Eyes Wide Shut" was another one like that, supposedly Kubrick but not really [03:51] i couldnt find any on an slocate [03:52] VampirePenguin: I do believe slackpkg uses /var/tmp, and cleans up after itself (there's maybe a --keep option to stop it from doing that) [03:52] Urchlay: if you have nothing better to do and don't mind mediocre dialogue, then it's ok to watch [03:52] Urchlay: really? kubrick didn't do 'eyes...' [03:53] antler: dude, I watched Zardoz all the way through, not long ago... does that count as "nothing better to do"? [03:53] ok .... im getting all this .. my whole box works great... this build im doing now i think will do the final tweak my vid cam needs for skype [03:53] antler: I know he didn't, but his name was on it IIRC [03:53] Urchlay: hahaha then watch 'ai' [03:53] Action: Shingoshi saw Zardoz when it first came out. '74 [03:53] VP: did you make your own package as well? [03:53] Urchlay: kubrick did NOT do 'eyes wide shut'? [03:53] look it up on wikipedia, it lists "Director: Stanley Kubrick"... [03:54] but he died pretty early on, IIRC [03:54] thebigh, just with sbopkg [03:54] VP: so its easy to uninstall when you want to upgrade? [03:54] Urchlay: if he didn't, then whoever did it is a really good imposter [03:55] im trying to stay within the boundaries of the tools provided and once i understand the process find out about any customizations [03:56] Shingoshi: I was 2, in 1974 [03:56] if I'd seen it then, I would have been scarred for life [03:56] hey, so how do i use slackpkg to upgrade my -current now that there has been a extension change? [03:56] "Gun is good. PENIS is EVIL!" [03:56] {Repelex} (n=STRESSAD@200.175.151.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Urchlay: Well, I was 17! [03:58] if it scarred you for life, at least you'd remember why... [03:58] hitest and I are about the same age. [03:58] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:58] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Urchlay: i missed it if it was a joke, but kubrick did 'eyes wide shut'. it was his last film. [03:58] it's very odd to be in an IRC channel where I'm not the oldest fart [03:59] antler: yeah, I know. I'd heard that he didn't live to finish it though. [03:59] you are so old [03:59] Urchlay: oh, you're thinking about "A.I" [03:59] antler: but wpedia says he didn't, so I'm misinformed or misremembering [04:00] (or wpedia is wrong, but in this case I doubt it...) [04:00] i dunno. read the first two sentences http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyes_Wide_Shut [04:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:01] maybe I only thought that cause I didn't like "Eyes Wide Shut" very much... it starts out great, but ends up like a Lynch film: a bunch of cinematically beautiful bizzare crap happens, with not even a token attempt at making sense... [04:01] (that's the impression I got at the time I saw it, 6-7 yrs ago) [04:02] VP: if you're going to start compiling all your programs now, I've got a "make install" substitute script here in case you get tired of making packages by hand: [04:02] http://computertechsolution.com/downloads/mymakepkg.tar.gz [04:03] yo [04:04] hymneforthedead (n=hymnefor@ip68-230-207-159.rd.hr.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:04] Urchlay: ah [04:05] maybe if I watch it again it'll be completely different, I dunno [04:05] (used to hate the Dune movie, watched the long "Alan Smithee" cut and now I like it) [04:07] Urchlay: you might be remember something about 'ai', kubrick's project that was later destroyed by hollywood speilberg [04:07] *remembering [04:07] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:07] I might be... thought I hadn't seen it though [04:10] JRosy (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) joined ##slackware. [04:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.I._Artificial_Intelligence <--- yeah, apparently kubrick thought about a.i. in the 70s [04:11] 2001? [04:11] yeah, he did that [04:11] man did that end weird [04:12] he also did 'the shining' [04:12] but was still better than AI [04:12] what do you expect? speilberg did the screenplay :P [04:12] 2001 and The Shining were novels before they were movies... was AI also? [04:13] a short story, apparently [04:13] 2001 was written in conjunction with the movie [04:13] and was based off the short story the guardian [04:13] "the sentinel" :) [04:13] true [04:14] so many books are based on that idea [04:14] 2001 book used Saturn, movie used Jupiter, always wondered why the difference [04:14] 'the shining'....'stand by me'.... damn that stephen king. one helluva writer [04:14] its in the preface [04:15] keoni (i=1000@208-106-15-140.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:15] (confusingly, the 2010 book is a sequel to the movie 2001 (set in jupiter's moons)) [04:15] yeah, 2010.... not nearly as good [04:15] I read both books before ever seeing either movie, I think [04:15] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.70) joined ##slackware. [04:15] or maybe I saw 2010 when it was new, but it didn't make enough sense so I went to read 2001 [04:16] says: the special effects department couldnt produce a saturn that stanley found convincing [04:17] ah, OK [04:17] too bad the last two sequels didn't exactly follow the stories of the first two [04:17] 2061 and 3001? [04:17] lol [04:17] its like they were in alternate universes [04:18] and clarke was just trying to make a point [04:18] 3001 I somewhat remember as being a really vague "future utopia" kind of story [04:18] spink (n=user@adsl-140-59.adsl.ntua.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] oh, 2061 and 3001 are actually novels? [04:19] Unfortuantely [04:19] yeah [04:19] hehe thought Urchlay was kidding [04:19] nope. I remember buying 2061 in great anticipation, thinking it was going to be great [04:20] turned out so-so... like Clarke wrote it while in a coma or something [04:20] They should have been stand alone novels, not part of 2001 and 2010 [04:20] more like marketing gimicks [04:23] ... [04:24] did anybody read the "Robert Heinlein" novel that came out a couple years ago, supposedly co-authored by Spider Robinson? [04:24] not I [04:24] (Heinlein's in quotes cause he'd been dead for 10+ years, it's not the title of the book) [04:25] was half-expecting it to be terrible, but it actually read like it really was written by Heinlein and Spider together (AFAIK, they never even met) [04:27] I haven't read any Heinlein novels yet [04:27] which is the best? [04:29] hard to say [04:29] but "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is a good starter [04:29] hey thats what google/amazon said... must be true [04:30] "the cat who could walk through walls" is a nice collection of short stories, sorta covers the timeline of his future history [04:31] I've always want to read stranger in a strange land [04:31] it's worth it [04:31] sounds like a phillip k dick plot [04:31] kinda, only PK Dick stuff always seems more surreal to me [04:32] oh, the time it takes to install ghostscript may be tar's fault... i.e. possible to improve =) [04:32] (possibly cause Heinlein didn't do drugs, and Dick did enough for both of them...) [04:32] Tux: what's the problem? [04:33] KyNs (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) left irc: Connection timed out [04:33] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:33] The search led me to the 100 top sci fi books [04:34] good to see alistair reynolds on there with all those others [04:34] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:36] yeah, Reynolds is a "new" writer, but in my own personal top-N list he's up there with some of the old masters [04:36] Let's say I have downloaded a bunch of txz packages and have installed latest pkgtools on -current, the command "upgradepkg *.txz" is the one I am looking for ? [04:37] he admits that he took his ideas from other writers, but the fact he crams it all together makes some amazing stories [04:37] spink: I believe that should work "upgrade *.tgz" [04:37] upgradepkg *.tgz [04:40] he's talking about .txz (new xz compression), so he had it right, "upgradepkg *.txz" [04:40] JRosy (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) left irc: Connection timed out [04:40] assuming you want upgradepkg and not installpkg (upgradepkg will only install a package if an older version with the same name was already installed) [04:40] thebigh, I'm not sure yet but this the problem I found : I extracted pkgsrc's source (130000 files, 520MB) to my hard drive and it took about 10 minutes, when I wanted to extract it again, I extracted it to a ramdisk (took 1-2mins) and then I copied it to my hard drive (in 1-2mins), doing that has been three times faster ! [04:41] Camarade_Tux: the first time around, your 520M tarball probably wasn't in the kernel's cache [04:42] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:43] l4m4_m4n (n=lama@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [04:44] spink (n=user@adsl-140-59.adsl.ntua.gr) left irc: "bye" [04:44] where is this info on txz? [04:45] Urchlay, I'm not sure it was the second time : the cache would have been big enough for 20MB (tarball), 520MB (tarball once extracted), 520MB (ramdisk), that really doesn't leave much space on a 2GB machine (and between the two, there have several hours I think) [04:45] thebigh, see http://tukaani.org/lzma/ [04:46] .xz is just another file format for .lzma but uses the same compression (lzma) [04:46] Thanks [04:46] ah, I thought you meant the compressed version was 520M [04:46] Urchlay, haha, no :p [04:49] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [04:49] hi [04:50] hi arny [04:51] lol, just tried to makepkg the new version of tar... but I couldn't as I already uninstalled it before upgrading [04:52] ^^ [04:52] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:52] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host121-76-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:53] odd, the new version of tar comes with no man file [04:53] possibly it's generated by help2man during the build? [04:53] (what version? latest release?) [04:53] 1.22 [04:54] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-180.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:55] well, the GNU project's man pages for the past 10+ years have had a little 'man pages are outdated, use info instead' paragraph at the bottom [04:55] maybe they really have ditched man pages [04:55] yeah, i see the info page, I just don't like them [04:56] yeah, me either [04:56] how am I supposed to grep 15 pages of info [04:56] partly because the default info viewer is such a pain in the ass to try to use [04:56] without lots of hassle [04:56] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:57] guess I'll have to write an info2man utility [04:57] their Makefile does have a "mandir=" setting in it [04:58] but it's not referenced anywhere (gets set and never used) [04:58] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.66) joined ##slackware. [04:59] so arny, hows bw64 going? [04:59] the ChangeLog doesn't say anything about "removed man pages" though [05:00] thebigh, is going well, thanks ;) [05:00] nope, I'm seeing nothing here [05:00] don't really need it though [05:01] well try help2man [05:01] still can't quit using the j and z flags when uncompressing [05:01] even though they're not needed anymore [05:01] {Repelex} (n=STRESSAD@200.175.151.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [05:01] I quit terribly fast ;) [05:02] s/fast/quicky/ [05:02] oh, wait. Go read your system's "man tar", scroll all the way to the bottom [05:02] scroll ? G you mean ;p [05:02] heh, I already removed it [05:02] the man page for Slackware's tar doesn't come from the tar sources, it came from Debian [05:03] well that explains it [05:03] Camarade_Tux: I generally press > to jump to the bottom when reading man pages... [05:03] Tux is a vi user... [05:03] < and > are easy to remember as "top" and "bottom" [05:03] Urchlay, not properly placed on the keyboard ;) [05:03] G is easy to remember when you use it everyday ;p [05:03] I'm a vim user, but I usually use :$ to go to the bottom of a file :) [05:04] I use G as well [05:04] :,$d is useful [05:04] in fact I have to admit I never quite managed to train myself to use hjkl instead of the arrow keys [05:04] better than 100000000000dd [05:05] :) [05:05] I started using them this week, but why when there are arrow keys? [05:05] Nick change: l4m4_m4n -> pri4pus [05:05] yep, slackware has additional manpages for tar [05:05] but info sucks ! [05:05] eh, the reasoning goes, hjkl are faster and less wear & tear on your fingers, because you've already got your fingers near them (or on them) if you're typing the way they teach in typing classes [05:06] I got used to hjkl quite quickly [05:06] Urchlay, try playing robots (bsd-games) ! [05:06] jkl; are the right-hand home keys [05:06] and it's true, if you use the arrow keys, you have to move your whole right hand a few inches, then move it back so you can type normal stuff again [05:06] but why is shift L/H move the cursor to the top/bottom of the page when j/k is up/down? [05:06] there are still a *lot* of things I need to learn in vi(m) however [05:07] I've just never been able to break my many-years habit of using the arrow keys (I used arrow keys on other computers/OSes for many years before I ever heard of Linux or vi) [05:07] thebigh: that's one of the great mysteries of the cosmos :) [05:08] I only started vim'ing about a year ago [05:08] I always assume they're for computers without arrow keys [05:08] I've been using vim for pretty near 10 years now, and *still* reach for the arrow keys :( [05:09] yeah, same here [05:09] once I can use hjkl in all programs I won't reach for the arrow keys anymore [05:09] when I was still going that, I forced myself to cancel what I was doing and do it again using hjkl instead [05:10] hey, I use hjkl in firefox, or rather, I try to >< [05:10] vimperator? [05:11] no because I want to get rid of firefox with my own browser and if I start customizing firefox, I'll have less reasons [05:11] to [05:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [05:11] I don't know how I got by without vimperator before [05:12] for me it's : "hey, the page doesn't move ! hmmm, using 'j' in firefox..." :) [05:12] I tried teaching myself to play Quake using hjkl as movement keys [05:12] but I got killed a lot [05:12] (I play left-handed, so I use arrows, not the WASD everybody uses) [05:12] I need zqsd (azerty keyboard), hjkl is for the right-hand [05:12] or maybe qsdf... [05:13] well my left hand is on my trakball when playing games (not a mouse) [05:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.71.71) joined ##slackware. [05:13] woot, qsdf actually fits me much better (especially since zqsd keys aren't aligned) [05:13] thebigh: you're the 2nd person this week to talk about how great vimperator is... I suppose I'm going to end up upgrading to firefox 3, just to try it out [05:14] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [05:14] and I will be actively developping my browser :) [05:14] yeah, that's no fun to compile it all [05:14] so they chnages the package extension to txz [05:14] changed* [05:14] eh? you're doing a full featured browser? [05:15] ttyX, no, txz is *also* supported (like tbz2 and friends) [05:15] I don't know if tgz will stay the default one (or maybe a mix ?) (but tgz should use less memory) [05:16] thebigh: also ff3 has a couple really annoying features... the default URL bar behaviour (which can be fixed), and the fact that you can't just type a filename into an upload field (clicking on it results in an abonimable-looking file-selector popping up) [05:16] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.70) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:16] Camarade_Tux: they've got txz packages in repo [05:16] Urchlay, using webkit-gtk so all the rendering is already there, but doing everything else :) [05:16] I download gst-plugins-base [05:16] and it was txz [05:16] downloaded* [05:16] ttyX: you running -current? [05:16] yep [05:16] Tux, oh good, I was afraid I'd have to support *another* browser [05:16] ttyX, see : http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [05:16] apparently it's txz now [05:16] well then, you gotta upgrade pkgtools to the latest version from -current, not a problem [05:17] (heh, unless pkgtools itself only comes as a txz package, I haven't checked...) [05:17] Urchlay: I got taht update already [05:17] that* [05:17] "The size of the main package tree in /slackware has been reduced from 1.9GB to 1.4GB by converting most packages to .txz." ^^ [05:18] yep it has better compression [05:18] can we add gnome back now? [05:18] thebigh, I'm not mad enough to make my own rendering engine [05:18] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/a/pkgtools-12.34567890-noarch-5.tgz <-- looks like it's still tgz, cool [05:18] (although we may update MMM and have it the browser too) [05:18] its lzma as the changelog says [05:19] the rsync is gonna hurt if all the packages have been changed... [05:19] Urchlay: they havent converted em all [05:19] time to change rsync mirror, that one was far too slow [05:19] Camarade_Tux: I've given some thought to how I'd go about writing an HTML rendered for a tiny, underpowered environment [05:19] just released a new version of slackroll to support the new formats [05:19] renderer [05:19] brb update time [05:19] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [05:20] but the platform I'm talking about, is just too damn small to do anything with today's average HTML page [05:20] "what do you mean NO flash?" [05:20] (48K of RAM, about 16K of which is eaten by the operating system... many many HTML pages are bigger than 32K these days...) [05:21] and pretty much any serious app for that old machine will be 16K or bigger [05:21] Urchlay, lol ;p [05:21] server-side processor? [05:21] so I decided there's no frigging way [05:22] thebigh: that's what Contiki does [05:22] interesting [05:23] MMM is an html *3* engine, no html 4, no xhtml and no js but it is written in ocaml so is very very very safe (you can't buffer overflow in ocaml) and is therefore of terrible interest [05:23] I *have* been able to fit a reasonably usable IRC client on that old Atari... you can only join one channel at a time, and there's auto-nick-complete or /ignore, but it's surprisingly usable [05:23] plus html4 should be easy, same for xhtml (we already have the libs) and js should be doable although it would take more time [05:24] sounds like a fun project [05:24] (and I've still got 8K of RAM free, if I stick with the default 40-column text instead of doing software bitmapped 80 column text) [05:24] crap, I had forgotten about that 'tar xf', it's the second time I'm running it and it definitely takes ages [05:25] or J [05:25] What IRC client do yall use? [05:25] reminds me of when I had to compress/decompress in .tar.xz, I had to do it the old way, piping tar's output to xz or vice-versa ;p [05:26] xchat, I may switch to irssi quite soon however [05:26] using irssi, happy with it [05:26] (actually that irssi would be on another computer so I wouldn't have to disconnect during the night) [05:27] (am kind of a perl-head, so irssi's perl scripting is a lot of fun... but AFAIK, xchat has some sort of perll interface too) [05:27] ah, I've been using pidgin [05:27] oh, nice : "a/tar-1.22-i486-2.tgz: Added support for .txz. Thanks to Robby Workman." :) [05:27] yeah, xchat can do perl too [05:28] hmm... perl... the only language I refuse to learn [05:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) joined ##slackware. [05:29] hmm... perl... the only language I refuse to learn along with ruby and python [05:29] what's wrong with Python [05:29] I sort of learned ruby for a job interview, wasn't that bad [05:29] perl/python/ruby seem to be equivalent... there's no pressing need to learn more than one of the three, unless you're just curious or need to for a job [05:30] at least indent-based grammar [05:30] and slow and not beautiful [05:30] ruby can be as unreadable as perl [05:30] hm, how do you define beautiful? [05:30] actually I might learn perl [05:30] Python is usually enjoyable to program in [05:30] (if you're one of those who defines beautiful as "like Lisp", let me know, so I won't bother trying to understand :) [05:31] Urchlay, it's hard to define, but defining "not beautiful" is easier :) [05:31] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [05:31] ok gcc updates are almost half in size now [05:32] I don't find lisp beautiful but it's easy to get used to it and the parens really easy to read [05:32] python's strength seems to be that it's easy to read and modify, even if you're me and you've never even thought about learning the language :) [05:32] Urchlay: and its always under development like Java [05:32] Plus its going through a transition right now, Its a bad time to start with Python [05:33] Any big projects support Python 3 yet natively? [05:33] yeah, you don't need to learn python to read and modify python but if its main strenght, python "programmers" ... [05:33] are often ex C programmers? [05:33] well I don't consider myself a python programmer at all :) [05:33] plus python is dynamically typed which is really really bad imho [05:34] I'm still a C programmer, will probably always be one [05:34] thebigh, no, can't be called programmers (if you didn't learn the language, I'm afraid of what you may do) [05:34] (it's not the right tool for every job, but C is really good for the things it's good for, if that makes any sense) [05:35] Anything you want to be good, small and fast? [05:35] Urchlay++ ;-) [05:35] C is next to assembly maybe thats the reason [05:35] eh, I'm sure actual python programmers *do* learn the language [05:36] QT is certainly better than mono any day though :p [05:36] actual ones, but most people doing python just write horrible code which makes python even slower [05:36] Yes, but hardly any commercial distributable code will be written in Python, so you won't have many professional coders using it for anything serious [05:36] and python doesn't want to die when it should segfault or divide by zero (it just raises an exception and waits) [05:36] Camarade_Tux: same thing applies to most PHP code I've seen that was written by contractors and such [05:37] thebigh, that's not a problem for servers ;) [05:37] Most PHP code is written by freelancers that don't know what they're doing [05:37] php is html on steroids :p [05:37] Most of what I've seen that is [05:37] Urchlay, yeah, when listing the languages I wouldn't learn, I should have listed PHP instead of perl ;) [05:38] pri4pus (n=lama@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:38] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [05:38] Action: Camarade_Tux is still waiting for that directory to be rm'ed [05:39] anyone here learn haskell? [05:40] I'm wanting to learn it... but just have too much to do before I get to it [05:40] The buggiest code ever would be VB for sure [05:40] I have't seen a single VB app which isn't broken already or can't be broken easily [05:40] yeah, rather be using PHP than any microsoft language [05:41] I had to use Java for my college project coz of buggy VB [05:41] I know ocaml and can read haskell [05:41] do you think its worth learning? [05:42] thing is... every generation of languages is designed to be easier to use... in the beginning you had to be a damn genius to write working code at all [05:42] these days IDEs and such allow complete morons to fake their way through it [05:42] whois ananke [05:42] skywalker? [05:43] or maybe the poor guy just got named the wrong thing at the wrong time by his parents [05:43] Urchlay, 6th generation ! (or is it 5th ?) [05:43] thebigh, I don't really know. do you know any functionnal language ? [05:43] (I mean functionnal programming language) [05:43] nope [05:44] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:44] here they still make us use the ancient borland compiler for c/c++ [05:44] pesartain (n=pesartai@79-72-92-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [05:44] ugh [05:44] I remember using that in high school... in like 1987 [05:44] ocaml could be an easier first step, but I'm terribly biaised [05:45] Turbo C, Turbo Pascal, and Turbo Assembler [05:45] I'm not really into "easy" [05:45] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] thebigh: go for assembly then :p [05:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-180.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:46] you _need_ to know at least one functionnal programming language : erlang, ocaml, lisp, haskell, pick any [05:46] ttyX: I like cross compatibility [05:46] Java? [05:46] Tux: Thats what I was thinking [05:47] C [05:47] and ocaml is not "easier" than haskell, it's only less complicated ;) [05:47] less complicated like c++ is less compilicated than c? [05:47] complicated* [05:47] ttyX, certainly not ! [05:48] c++ is less complicated than c? [05:48] eh, no [05:48] or perhaps it was sarcasm? [05:48] never really understood any of those properly :p [05:49] actually c++ is less complicated than c for some parts, but people who use these can't actually code and write crappy code [05:49] crappy code isnt permitted [05:50] no, its required! [05:50] thebigh, I can't really tell you if you should learn ocaml or haskell, the best thing is probably to look at haskell/ocaml, see if it fits you and if not, try ocaml/haskell (and then learn the other one) [05:50] Action: ttyX wonders why they want .net these days [05:51] ttyX, trendy [05:51] redtricycle (n=lionel@68.125.161.157) left irc: "Leaving." [05:51] Its where the people with money are throwing the money [05:51] All companies want .net pros [05:51] nah, not all [05:52] here atleast [05:52] most of em [05:52] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.255) joined ##slackware. [05:52] Otherwise most of us wouldn't have jobs [05:52] gboxx (n=gboxx@77.189.139.233) joined ##slackware. [05:53] but as they say learn C you'll learn em all [05:53] <_RadioHead> hi ##slackware :) [05:53] I don't know, I wonder how many slack guys use c# [05:54] one.. two [05:54] Hi Tom [05:54] wasnt that a borland invention? [05:54] none [05:54] lol [05:55] hi _RadioHead [05:56] <_RadioHead> hey Camarade_Tux :) how things dude? [05:56] still in the office _RadioHead [05:56] ? [05:56] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:56] _RadioHead, pretty well, /me is benchmarking tar and hard drive, not really exciting ;p [05:56] and how is it going for you ? [05:57] <_RadioHead> ttyX: i arrived aprox 2H before :) [05:57] wow that's some talent :p [05:57] <_RadioHead> Camarade_Tux: :) rsyncing here , but definetly linux software raid need much improvements [05:58] <_RadioHead> Camarade_Tux: rsycn stoped always as before k/.kernel-source-2.6.29.2_smp-noarch-1.txz.VhrIdB" failed: Read-only file system (30) [05:58] Action: ttyX believes it's hardware that needs improvement [05:58] ok, it seems I was wrong and copying from my ramdisk to my hard drive was much slower than I thought : using the ramdisk has only been 7% faster [05:58] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:59] Camarade_Tux u on current? [05:59] _RadioHead, lol, seems you're having some problems with your raid [05:59] <_RadioHead> lol Camarade_Tux :) yah but logicaly raid should work ok [05:59] ttyX, a three-months old slamd64 current [05:59] zmyrgel (n=user@80.221.6.179) joined ##slackware. [05:59] <_RadioHead> ttyX: you are right :) [06:00] I wanna get my hands on one of those SSDs [06:01] I don't get why people want SSDs when they can have ram :) [06:01] SSDs are the future? [06:01] the future is not here yet ;) [06:01] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:02] true that [06:02] I don't find SSDs _that_ compelling right now, but in a few years =) [06:02] major HDD players aren't there yet [06:02] comrade tux [06:02] SSDs still have caveats [06:02] <_RadioHead> Camarade_Tux: :) i rm k/.kernel-source-2.6.29.2_smp-noarch-1.txz.VhrIdB after remounting RW again my MD0 :) now again is working ok haha , strange problem seems my raid doesnt like kernel-sources :) [06:02] they've got some performance issues aswell [06:03] Action: ttyX hasn't got the kernel source package installed [06:03] A friend told me of a device you can place sticks of ram into, which keeps power to the ram all the time, so you can use the ram like an ordinary HD... 4GB HD, but that's enough for slack. Anyone heard of it before and know what its called? [06:03] <_RadioHead> ttyX: rsyncing -current here :0 [06:04] thebigh: solder em and plug em? [06:04] ocz has made a pci-e card that has 4 ssd drives [06:05] each and every tom's hardware test show at least a problem in one SSD, when these are solved and there is no catastrophic performance problem, I'll get SSD :) [06:05] that had quite nice performance, the price will not be so nice :) [06:05] lw0x15 :) [06:05] thebigh, when I head of it, it was 16GB ;) [06:05] valvola (n=fabiovio@pc85108.unile.it) joined ##slackware. [06:05] price is the mainprob [06:05] Samsung says prices will come down by the next year or so [06:06] camrade tux report in to your battleship [06:06] I just wish I knew what it was called. [06:06] reboot time [06:06] brb [06:06] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [06:06] <_RadioHead> later ttyX :) [06:06] <_RadioHead> coffe time here ;) [06:07] lw0x15, #ubuntu sighted, should we fire ? [06:07] all fire power [06:07] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:07] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:08] elderK1 (n=zk@222-152-15-125.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Hey people! [06:08] I was wondering if there was a way to have a slim KDE 3.5.10? [06:08] argh, they're counter-attacking, they're sending fighters, wait, they can't drive their fighters, they're crashing into each others, stupid ubuntards \o/ [06:09] elderK1, up to what point ? [06:09] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [06:09] To the point where nothing I don't need from the KDE bundle is there. [06:09] like, KWrite, KPPP, etc... [06:10] you can simply rm them by hand iirc [06:10] man i love star trek [06:10] I just saw the movie :) [06:10] so awesome [06:10] And ay. [06:10] just find /usr -iname "*kwrite*" and go [06:10] Aye, but for a jazillion components. [06:10] saw it three days ago :) [06:10] How about GSB, is it 12_2 friendly yet? [06:10] or DLG? [06:10] elderK1, yep but it's doable in one to two hours [06:11] Big problem would be finding what I needed to delete in teh firs tplace, [06:11] even knowing WHAT to delete. [06:11] Then getting all the GTK programs to look in place in KDE. [06:11] :P [06:11] lol [06:12] I usually use Fvwm, but man, I just can't be bothered setting it up at the moment. [06:12] xfce [06:12] ? [06:12] I'd rather not use Xfce. [06:12] works fine for me [06:12] I haven't used something like GNOME or KDE in /ages/ [06:12] no KDE here [06:12] There snothing wrong as such with Xfce, [06:13] elderK1, also, you can just removepkg most of kde [06:13] Theres just something abotu it that doesnt mix with me well, thats all. [06:13] I know, Camarade_Tux. [06:13] :) [06:13] But even the barest install of KDE comes with a lot of crap. [06:13] same with gnome [06:13] Aye, which is the problem. [06:13] infact its more in case of gnome [06:13] hmm, /me maybe haz a present for you on his /dev/sdb1 [06:14] ? [06:14] I think my major peeve with Xfce is Thunar, for some reason, I just dont jive with it well. [06:14] Not sure why. [06:14] why can't we have something like kdemod for slck? [06:14] Cant place why I dont like Xfce. [06:14] slack* [06:15] elderK1, same here, I can't stand thunar ----> pcmanfm :) [06:15] thunar works fine for me [06:15] Pcmanfm is okay, but, I dislike that too, for some odd reason. [06:15] pcmanfm is more easily customizable isn't it? [06:15] Just, not as much as I dislike PcManFM [06:16] As for Fvwm, I've been spoilt by it's awesome Virtual desktop implementation. [06:16] Up, down, left, right, diagonal... [06:16] No limits... [06:16] It's very awesome, very very awesome. [06:16] elderK1, seems I don't have my kde-enlighting scripts =/ [06:17] :( Gutted. [06:17] I mean, KDE isn't bad. [06:17] It's jsut, man, hundreds and hundreds of megs. [06:17] worth of stuff, I'll never use. [06:17] It's not that I dont mind the SIZE, as such [06:17] It's just, it bugs me when that size will never be used... [06:17] just use fluxbox [06:17] you know? [06:18] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:18] Any word on getting newer intel-driver to slack? [06:18] btw, Camarade_Tux, How is GTK-QT these days? [06:18] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:19] Is it possible to run Firefox, GVim and Pidgin in KDE now, without looking completely out of place? [06:19] elderK1, I don't know, I use no qt app :p [06:19] because Kopete just, bugs me too :p [06:19] which is why I tend to prefer GNOME over KDE. [06:19] actually I don't even have decorations on windows now :) [06:19] no title bar [06:19] What WM? :) [06:20] openbox (slackbuild available) [06:20] DWM or WMII or Ratpoison? [06:20] Ah. [06:20] heh, why slackbuilds :P [06:20] I just build from source. [06:20] ratpoison [06:20] lol [06:20] slackbuilds is from source ;p [06:20] or make your own make package program [06:20] I know :P [06:20] But, I don't know why you use slackbuilds, rather than just... vanilla. [06:20] well, you knwo what I eman [06:20] :) [06:21] I use musca as wm [06:22] elderK1, it's cleaner as you have a package :) [06:22] zmyrgel, afaik *newest* intel drivers require a xorg-xserger >= 1.5 which slackware doesn't have [06:23] I know that, thats why I asked is there any word when will it appear on slack :) [06:23] My card pretty much needs the newer driver as it xorg won't behave correctly with the older one [06:24] zmyrgel: compile yourself? [06:24] definitely no idea, I've been waiting for a newer X too =/ [06:24] I'm lazy :) ... and would most likely break the system [06:25] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:25] X is the only thing I won't recompile [06:26] buntues have 1.5 I guess [06:26] buntus* [06:28] but these X had problems, especially with older hardware iirc [06:29] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust712.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:29] I could build GARNOME, but last time Idid that, it wasn't all that much to call home about [06:29] In fact, I disliked that I basically had an entire 'fs tree' in /opt [06:29] that's fine normally [06:29] but I didnt dig how like, man [06:29] it just bugged me [06:29] all the libraries overriding everything else [06:30] I ditched all DEs :) [06:30] elderK1: tried slackbot? [06:30] forgotten (n=me@68.10.171.194) joined ##slackware. [06:33] slackbot? [06:35] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-171-172-153.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:37] "Backdoor.Slackbot.B | Symantec" ? [06:37] lol [06:38] :/ [06:38] Mannnnn [06:38] :( [06:38] http://sourceforge.net/projects/slackbot/ [06:38] *sigh* [06:39] what should I code now ? package manager (which works on windows too) or web browser ? [06:39] xisxon (i=1000@114.121.109.235) joined ##slackware. [06:39] bugtrcaker for windows [06:39] thet ditched ms debug :p [06:39] they* [06:39] bugtracker* [06:39] gboxx (n=gboxx@77.189.139.233) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:40] http://projects.gnome.org/garnome/ [06:40] :p [06:40] bugcaker : each time you solve a bug, you get a piece of cake ! \o/ [06:40] Gnome for slackware 12.2 ? [06:41] I just wonder ho wpainful building GNOME 2.24 over dialup will be [06:41] :/ [06:41] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.117.70) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [06:41] :/ [06:41] elderK1: three nights? [06:41] elderK1, only one was to know, have somebody do it for you ! [06:41] :O REALLY? [06:41] It cant be THAT huge [06:43] that's what she said ! [06:43] Gnome sources are well over 1gb [06:43] unlike KDE4 [06:43] which is almost half I guess [06:43] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:44] I bet they're not compressed with xz =) [06:44] Action: Camarade_Tux is willing to compress them ;p [06:44] bzip2 [06:44] bzip2 sucks :) [06:44] waht [06:44] what* [06:44] the size gain is not worth the time it takes to extract (or compress) [06:45] md5sum eror in slackpkg [06:45] wtf? [06:45] I usually download .tar.gz rather than .tar.bz2 even though they take more time to download, .tar.bz2 is just too long to extract [06:45] MPlayer sources are bzip2 :p [06:46] which makes me suffer [06:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:46] Oh man [06:46] ffs [06:46] :( [06:46] Channel flood from elderK1 -- kicking [06:46] This fucking sucks [06:46] elderK1 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [06:46] that depends on how fast your connection is, and how big the archive is [06:46] elderK1 (n=zk@222-152-15-125.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:46] Sorry for swearing, but man, this just, really, really, really blows. Blaot bloat and more damned bloat. [06:47] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:47] pretty good connection (40ms ping and up to 800KB/s download) [06:47] KDE4 will hopefully cut the bloat in future [06:47] Action: elderK1 sighs [06:47] cant say the same for gnome witha ll that mono stuff [06:48] take Xfce for example, [06:48] No way that I need Thunar or whatnot. [06:48] I dont even intend to USE thunar. [06:48] lol, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/footware.shtml lists slackware as shipping gnome ;p [06:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:48] :P I'd be happy with Fvwm, if I could only be ased like, spending 3 hours pissing around with Configuration [06:48] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [06:49] I just can't find gnome sources [06:49] Eh. It'd be giant anyway. [06:49] hi all i tried to install to the latest current (last update was few days ago), and coreutils and gcc fail to install: ERROR: Package ./gcc-4.3.3-i486-3.txz did not install [06:49] correctly. [06:49] You know, sometimes I really wish I could go back to /not/ caring [06:49] but, strangely, I do. [06:49] and why txz? [06:49] I care about a clean system, I care about using crap all space. [06:49] I dont know why. [06:49] I just do. [06:50] kr_eten, http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php%3Fcpu%3Di386&ei=318FSva9KZqRjAeX-LnnBg&usg=AFQjCNH_U7M6w57FcVraYNOwkF6k1RJEAQ [06:50] crap [06:50] www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [06:50] what*kde 4.2.3 in the repos [06:51] I havent touched KDE4. [06:51] KDE3 was tolerable. [06:51] KDE3 was gold [06:51] Last GNOME I used was Garnome 2.24, but I had it for like, 15 minutes after I installed it :P [06:51] last GNOME I liked at all, was 2.16, I liekd 2.0 :) [06:51] lol [06:51] Back when they had a different icon scheme [06:51] and all [06:51] lol [06:51] back in rh9 days. [06:52] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [06:52] finally found the gnome sources (I had to guess I'd better go to ftp.gnome.org) : http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/ , no way I download all that just to try tar.xz'ing them ! [06:52] Camarade_Tux: u can't be serious [06:53] :/ Maybe Ill just use blackbox and be done with it [06:53] I wonder if they offer decent freaking pagers. [06:53] like, up/down, etc. [06:53] ttyX, about what ? the fact that I couldn't find gnome sources ? [06:53] just movethe mouse to the edge, next desktop [06:53] etc [06:53] nope compressing em all [06:54] ttyX, it's not that long actually : I tried that with mingw-w64's toolchain which is 300-500MB and it only took a few minutes [06:54] was not compressing with bz2 of course ;-) [06:54] but here the size is like for times [06:54] :( [06:54] ttyX, I hate you : you motivated me to try ! [06:54] WAAAAAHHHH [06:54] four* [06:54] Can someone break my deadlock? [06:54] lol [06:54] am I messe dup in the head, when I cant isntall KD ebecause of its amazing bloat? [06:54] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Or am I simply one of the last few remaining sane? [06:55] anyone seen this error before? /usr/include/asm/posix_types.h:2:30: error: posix_types_32.h: No such file or directory [06:55] elderK1: next slack release will spill the beans [06:55] Camarade_Tux, I still cannot explain to myself why the update fails [06:55] this file is owned by kernel-headers. and exists [06:55] when i have the most recent pkgtools installed [06:56] kr_eten, retry with the even more recent releases, .txz support is still young [06:56] sahko, -I/usr/include/asm [06:56] you advice me to wait the next release? [06:57] well update not release [06:58] kr_eten, you said you had something like 3-days old, there have been an update less than one day ago, may be worth trying [06:58] I still can't understand the rush with KDE4 [06:58] this is what i am trying to do, but with slackpkg [06:59] i mean i am trying to update to the most recent current, but it fails for some reason [06:59] ok this is scary [06:59] slackpkg wants to upgrade rpm2tgz to *.txt lol [06:59] not .txz [06:59] Camarade_Tux: care to explain a bit further? [06:59] nvision (n=nvision@g229160130.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Camarade_Tux: downloading sources? [07:01] ttyX, not really : I can't find the most recent ones, I mean, a *sane* collection of sources [07:02] Camarade_Tux: slackbot can download for you [07:02] alal the sources [07:02] all* [07:02] sahko, I can't '#include ' without already specifying -I/usr/include/asm to gcc, I'm surprised it finds posix_types.h but not posix_types_32.h, how is the #include line ? [07:03] I have to update openoffice also [07:03] ttyX, well, let's try with slackbot [07:03] ttyX, "rush" with kde4 ? [07:03] yes pushing it to the next slack release [07:03] I'd rather wait for 4.5.x [07:04] ttyX, I wouldn't call it a rush, kde is already 4.2 and almost everybody that 4.2 is good [07:04] It's slow as hell here [07:05] haha, slackbot comes as a .bz2 tarball ;p [07:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [07:06] lol yes it does [07:06] you can tell the author [07:06] :p [07:06] Camarade_Tux: aha. thanks [07:06] bz2, loooong [07:06] sahko, :) [07:06] still extracting [07:07] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.151.170) joined ##slackware. [07:08] what happened to all those kde3.5 fork plans [07:08] kde is too big to be easily forked [07:09] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [07:09] ttyX, how can I have slackbot download the sources of gnome but certainly not install anything (including itself) on my system ? [07:10] Camarade_Tux: there's an option for that I believe [07:12] I guess it will be chrooted [07:12] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:12] hmm, no [07:12] those are slackbuilds [07:15] me no trust, me currently root [07:15] about the problem: i upgraded tar first, then installed xz and then the upgrade started working [07:16] =) [07:16] yeah, I managed to go from breakfast [07:16] to lunch without doing anything useful ! \o/ [07:17] woot [07:17] Action: ttyX is thinking about building lxde using slackbot [07:17] hmmm, pizza, pastas, eggs or steak ? [07:17] what is slackbot? [07:17] KyNs (n=JRosy@81.85.214.15) joined ##slackware. [07:18] kr_eten: build system for slackware [07:18] pizza with eggs steak and pasta [07:18] to build diff des [07:18] DEs* [07:18] well there is something fundamental i miss maybe :) [07:18] DEs? [07:19] XGizzmo, can I add cheese too ? :D [07:19] Desktop Environment [07:19] Dad` (n=Dad`@85-171-172-153.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:19] that's getting too dangerous [07:19] but I definitely feel like an egg on a pizza... [07:20] elderK1 (n=zk@222-152-15-125.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [07:20] steak cheval : egg on a steak, I'll keep the pizza for tomorrow [07:21] valvola (n=fabiovio@pc85108.unile.it) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [07:21] That reminds me my friend invited me for a pizza lunch today and I as usual missed :p [07:21] lol [07:21] sux0rage [07:22] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] hughszg1 (n=hugh_2@58.33.144.219) joined ##slackware. [07:24] hmm, that album I downloaded only had .jpg files in it... [07:24] lol [07:24] that sux [07:25] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:25] Not if the intention was to download a photo album ... [07:25] and file reports that other one as : RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 432 x 312, 29.97 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz) [07:25] pesartain, XP [07:25] (try to do XP ;) ) [07:25] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:25] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:26] bah, ugly [07:26] Bojevnik_ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.151.170) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:27] hd (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [07:27] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:28] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:28] the jpg files aren't as ugly however :) [07:28] kama (n=kama@host194-245-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:31] h4ck (n=enigma@222.172.214.14) joined ##slackware. [07:31] Camarade_Tux: what does debian use for compressing deb? [07:31] debs* [07:31] ar ? [07:32] hello, how to protect my box against arpspoof? [07:32] h4ck: turn it off? [07:32] ttyX, isn't is cpio ? [07:33] ttyX: someone use arpspoof on LAN [07:33] Action: ttyX goes to wikipedia [07:33] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host121-76-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "brb" [07:33] kama (n=kama@host194-245-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:33] cpio might be redhat's [07:33] ttyX: is there a simple way to protect myself against arp spoof? [07:33] ttyX, ar [07:34] cpio is for rpms [07:34] One or more errors occurred while slackpkg was running: [07:34] .: md5sum ?! [07:34] not very verbose [07:35] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:35] kr_eten: manually install that package [07:35] I did just that [07:35] Nick change: stillbor1 -> stillborn [07:35] its rpm2tgz [07:35] gasp, don't IRC while cooking, I *completely* failed both the steaks and the egg, they all look mutant now :p [07:36] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.203.219) joined ##slackware. [07:36] mutant like wolverine or gambit? [07:36] I like wolverine betterthough :p [07:36] h4ck (n=enigma@222.172.214.14) left ##slackware. [07:37] know, zombie mutants [07:37] ah now i understand your "txt" note [07:37] *no [07:37] zombie mutants are ugly [07:38] what I did was even uglier than a mutant frankenstein's creature zombie [07:39] now that's too ugly to be ugly [07:39] h4ck: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/arp-scan/ [07:40] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/arptables/ [07:40] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [07:41] slackpkg is really on dope today [07:41] it wants to install .txt [07:41] packages [07:41] a typo ? [07:41] nope [07:41] rpm2tgz.txt [07:41] lol [07:42] nice :) [07:43] and I can guarantee what I cooked was that ugly ! [07:43] seems like debs can use em all [07:44] tar,bzip2,lzma [07:45] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:45] yep, finally saw that [07:45] Camarade_Tux: http://i40.tinypic.com/6pc77a.png [07:45] I'm glad slackware actually shows the fileformat :) [07:46] ttyX, rpm sucks anyway, go for it ! :D [07:46] haha [07:47] I could fix broken slack-descs back in .tgz days [07:47] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-180.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:47] I wonder how am I gonna do it now [07:47] I would extract archive and recompress it [07:47] with fixed slack-desc inside [07:48] but yes it still supports tgz [07:48] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-180.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:49] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-180-166.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] hughszg1 (n=hugh_2@58.33.144.219) left irc: Connection timed out [07:54] Camarade_Tux: you can use my lappy for cooking breakfast [07:55] its 69 degrees at the moment [07:55] ttyX, haha, but I know somebody whose laptop can cook a breakfast one meter away ! [07:56] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:56] after a three-hour LAN, it had heated the whole 4cm-thick wood table :) [07:58] that's some extraordinary talent [07:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.71.71) left irc: "Saliendo" [07:58] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:58] now with txz, there must be enough space to fit gnome in the dvd [07:59] <_RadioHead> sahko: hope gnome will be included [07:59] sahko: tell that to Pat [07:59] I still doubt it [07:59] though I want it [07:59] hahaha [07:59] never! [08:00] id rather have OOo [08:00] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [08:00] yep, there are more useful things than gnome [08:00] it would be nice to have wine for instance /jk [08:01] like removing kde4 :p [08:01] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:01] and putting openbox ! [08:01] xfce should be default desktop [08:01] I'd really like to see openbox included in slackware =/ [08:02] ttyX, is there a "default" desktop in slackware ? [08:02] fluxbox ftw [08:02] twm was quite funny too [08:02] yes its kde [08:03] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [08:03] ttyX, how is it default ? you still have to choose your xinitrc [08:03] xwmconfig u mean [08:04] yeah [08:05] oh, MOST important : we need cowsay in slackware ! [08:06] that have u mooed today thingy from buntu? [08:06] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[09:23] hey rg3 [09:24] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:30] guys, I'm looking for a terminal app that's both lightweight and still supports better integration with the rest of the os (eg: gtk clipboard support, paste from the outside world better than 3rd click) [09:31] rg3: hey there, saw your message, I think it will be fine [09:31] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Does Aterm allow gtk clip? [09:32] I was looking at sakura or rox-term, any oppinions regarding these? (or others) [09:32] not tried any of those but Ive heard good stuff about sakura.. [09:32] Kaapa: hopefully, if something is completely wrong I'll get a bug report :) [09:33] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-204-152-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:33] Bojevnik__ (n=Bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:33] I'll try the roxterm first, since I use rox anyway [09:33] paste from X-clipboard with Shift+Insert :) [09:33] rg3: I have a system I need to upgrade where I can do a kernel upgrade, I'll let you know if anything goes wrong [09:35] hmm kde4.2.3 on its way [09:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] nothing sux more than sf mirrors [09:37] haha [09:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:38] xisxon (i=1000@114.121.66.184) joined ##slackware. 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[09:44] things are good, having a cup of coffee, compiling a kernel:) [09:44] nice nice - just downloading the recent current upgrades myself - looking forward to seeing the new package compression in action [= [09:45] :) [09:45] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] installations from CD should be faster =) [09:46] yeah :) [09:46] it is cool, foggy and rainy here in northern BC, Canada [09:46] bipolar weather here in the UK [09:47] compl3x, you mean cloudy and rainy vs. just cloudy ? :D [09:47] the weather changes very often here as well [09:47] I mean- Sun - Heavy Rain- Wind - Clouds - bit more Sun.. rain rain sun [09:47] Ricky| (n=fl0w@190.166.118.30) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:48] but when it is sunny - i have to work [09:48] that is the rule.....it is nice out when you're heading off to work:) [09:48] yep [09:48] it been nice all week [09:48] till the weekend [09:49] then it cools off [09:49] the weather has been pretty good up until today [09:49] hmm the new packages directory is only 1.4gb[= [09:49] been that way for like a month or so [09:49] why the fuck has my external hard drive been plugged to a mac ?! [09:50] hmm, I know, grrr, I hate macs [09:50] cause you hooked it up to a Mac? [09:50] someone using your external HD? [09:50] and if you hates Macs, why do you own a mac? [09:50] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] hitest, that's what I thought at first [09:50] superGear, lol ;) [09:51] and I knew it had been plugged to a mac because of the .Trashes folder that had been created [09:51] macs are waaaaay to shiny [09:51] Macs use to be nice [09:52] till they went to Intel [09:52] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.66) left irc: "Leaving." [09:52] but actually *I* plugged it, and there was only one I could have plugged it in but I haven't touched it in a long time, therefore my surprise [09:52] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] reikyv (n=reikyv@124.13.88.15) left irc: "Leaving" [09:53] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:56] xisxon (i=1000@114.121.66.184) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] I have only PPC macs, not thinking of buying an Intel one (well, maybe from ebay some day) [09:59] nice, xsane picked up my HP scanner right away [10:00] alicephilippa (i=alice@78.105.168.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:02] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host212-75-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: ""Muovendosi cambia" - Sbancor" [10:07] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Would I use screen to run two things in one terminal? ie: nano and something else.. [10:08] that would be one option [10:08] compl3x: why not? [10:09] compl3x: or background them with ctrl-z [10:09] hmm ill give it a go [= [10:09] compl3x: then you can use fg to revive them [10:09] Hmm id ideally like to have nano running in a terminal with space underneath to run commands [10:09] (though screen is best :P ) [10:09] compl3x: run jobs to see running jobs [10:10] compl3x: oh [10:10] yeah screen is good for that [10:10] I use that for my irc setup [10:10] Anyone got any examples ? I wasn't to successful when googling.. [10:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) joined ##slackware. [10:12] what just do screen nano then do ctrl+a S to split screen then do ctrl+a TAB then do ctrl+a :resize # to get the position you want for the lower one [10:12] cheers kitche ill give it a go [10:12] compl3x: splitvt [10:13] then you need to use the ctrl+a n or is is C I get those two mixed up a bit [10:13] I tried splitvt it's not that great but works [10:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] ill give splitvt a go [= [10:14] screen is a nightmare if you walk in blind. I printed a cheatsheet up for the usual commands - disconnect, reconnect, list. [10:15] Pin it on the wall behind your monitor and you're good to go! [10:15] man KDE 4 has annoying bugs [10:15] i dont bother with using more than one window per virtual screen since i can alt left arrow or right arrow (some people use alt F1 & alt F2 etc) [10:15] only rarely when i have to type info from one file in to another [10:16] splitvt seems a bit of a pain when using nano with it [10:16] thumbs: bugs? I'm curious as I'm not running KDE4. [10:17] thumbs: you on 4.2.3 yet? [10:17] hitest: started a I/O bound mv, and now no new terminal can df -h without hanging [10:17] compl3x: not my laptop. A friend's [10:17] ah right [10:17] she 'decided' to upgrade from 3.5 [10:18] it is the kde developers, it needs more work, if it dont get better by the time Pat releases the next slack i will roll my own kde-3.x-latest [10:18] im currently upgrading current - hopefully 4.2.3 will be a little more 'flowing' [10:18] 3.5 was flawless on her machine [10:18] this 4.2 is crap. [10:18] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:18] I hate kde4x as it is [10:18] I love the absence of DE on my computer :) [10:19] [= [10:19] Camarade_Tux: I use xfce on mine [10:19] Fluxbox here [10:19] i just keep kde around for the wife and others, i mostly use fvwm with a stipped down .fvwm2rc [10:20] heh girlfriend can't get the hang of right clicking the desktop on fluxbox .. so i just switch to kde for her [10:20] rox filer to draw the desktop (icons & wallpaper) i can always turn that on or off [10:20] anyone tried lxde? [10:21] lxde? nope, any good? [10:21] i dunno lol i only heard about it like 2 days ago which is why im asking ;) [10:21] compl3x, doh ! [10:21] haha yeah [10:22] Pig_Pen, it uses openbox. it doesn't "disable window contents on move/resize" which for my pc's/video card is a big issue. if/when they put that feature back, it'll be really nice. [10:22] lxde should be good, I'm happily using openbox, pcmanfm and gpicview, although out of lxde [10:22] ah, ok, i do use openbox on occasion [10:23] hmm lxde looks interesting [10:23] omg, "lxde: We are discussing applications for Lubuntu.", anyone tell them how "lubuntu" sounds ? :o [10:23] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [10:23] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.117.70) joined ##slackware. [10:23] haha [10:24] otoh that would go with boobuntu [10:24] a feature i wish was added to openbox is active screen borders so when you bump either the left or right hand edge of the screen it moves to the next desk, you can already do it dragging an application over seems like it would be an easy fix to just let the mouse/cursor do it [10:24] XXXubuntu, lube-ubuntu and boob-untu... [10:24] Camarade_Tux, blackbox with ubunut == bubunut ? [10:25] lubuntu? an alternative to KY jelly :D [10:25] haha [10:25] Action: thrice` votes Pat punting blackbox and replace with openbox :> [10:25] Pig_Pen, right about openbox, have you asked for that feature ? [10:25] thrice`, why replace ? there's room for too :) [10:25] thrice`: I like blackbox [10:26] no, i would not know who to ask [10:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [10:26] blackbox is dead [10:26] and blackbox has quite nice las ttime I tried it (before I could install openbox that is) [10:26] thumbs, same here, no depends for it to work [10:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:26] <_RadioHead> yo Old_Fogie [10:26] thrice`: it works [10:26] so does CDE :) [10:26] _RadioHead, heloo [10:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [10:26] thrice`: but CDE is annoying [10:26] so is blackbox!111 [10:26] :) [10:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:27] to each his own, that's why we use leenux ;) [10:28] openbox does window decorations and placement a lot better than either black or flux * box [10:28] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [10:28] openbox is my favorite. I guess I've never liked blackbox [10:29] I like bb on my server [10:29] whats with all the box's? flux black open [10:29] thrice`, i like openbox as well [10:29] i loved blackbox a long time ago, but i agree with whoever just said it seems development on it has faultered [10:29] yaaay mirroring done [10:30] there was a hackedbox, blackbox without a panel, never got popular [10:30] 40gig torrent - im going to die before this one finishes [10:31] really, if they make a lubuntu and somebody tells me his uses "lubuntu", I don't know how I'll react [10:31] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Client Quit [10:31] "and how is lubuntu ? very smooth" >< [10:31] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [10:31] compl3x, what is it ? [10:32] http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/2515/crunchbang-panel/page/3/ [10:32] Camarade_Tux: tv series :p [10:32] I haven't tried that one yet [10:32] compl3x, i am downloading a 40gb torrent right now its about 80% done and there were two other apprx 40gb torrs goin too but they finished yay! [10:32] compl3x, don't lie, I'm sure it's Blu-ray pr0n ! [10:32] i_is_cat: what were they? :P [10:32] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:33] what wifi chips are on the netgear pci wifi card? [10:33] so far a little over 2 weeks.. dl time [10:33] i got oz, all 6 seasons, and bleach and sailor moon and card captors lol [10:33] nice [10:33] sailor moon? [10:33] mythbusters here :p [10:34] yep sailor moon :P [10:34] things that are on tv, i just record with mythtv [10:34] ... why? [10:34] sailor moon sounds like some dodgy p0rn [10:35] thumbs, honestly, because my roomies pc is dead and i plucked her hdd and accidentally confused it with a dif drive, wiped it and now have to get as much data back as i can which includes sailor moon and card captors.. [10:35] haha [10:35] lol ^^ [10:35] Anyone suggest a decent capture card with decent linux support? [10:35] hauppauge [10:36] i_is_cat: fair enough [10:36] nearly anything by them, depends on your needs [10:36] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) joined ##slackware. [10:36] i_is_cat: cheers Ill check them out [10:36] Netgear WG311 has the atheros chip :) [10:36] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.70) joined ##slackware. [10:36] ooh UK aswell - nice [= [10:37] oh, I had forgotten about that one : "You need to install the gnome-common module and make sure the gnome-autogen.sh script is in your $PATH.", fuck off ! [10:37] i bought a gigabyte global tv card which uses the saa7134 chip and it works but all the encoding is done by cpu, ive setup a mythbox with a hauppauge pvr150 and 350 and hdpvr on it and the 150 and 350 work so great i was shocked [10:37] ah right [= [10:38] my saa7134 works fine too but it was a little bit more to configure like modprobe options and such [10:38] i am tempted to buy that card so i can run FreeBSD too and switch to wpa2, Linksys work but the options are limited [10:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) joined ##slackware. [10:39] if you're fine with the standard definition and not looking for hd, i'd probably recommend a pvr500 because its basically two pvr150's on one card [10:39] and nothing beats 2 tuners taking up one pci slot.. [10:39] :) [10:40] ive got an old capture card round - don't know the make - had real trouble getting any dvb channels even with a booster and wideband aerial [10:41] hehe, gnome apps are great : each time you install one, you discover a new linux software >< [10:42] i'd also recommend sticking with slack for any tuner type stuff, i had nothing but stupid issues with linuxmce, mythbuntu, and knoppmyth [10:42] i read about a TV card hack to use it to listen to out of band signals like police & other radio, basically turning it in to a poor mans SDR (features were limited) [10:42] knoppmyth wouldnt even load properly it just dropped to a limited shell so i pitched the disc in the trash, thats really no way to start a pvr system [10:43] since the TV card is internal i would imagine the rfi is awful for that type of hack [10:44] I believe slackware is the only distro ive ever had my tuner working on [10:44] well, ubuntu has selinux now [10:44] ya when i was setting up a dedicated mythbox i tried the specialized distros and still fell back to slackware.. its just the best, not to mention the easiest to get going [10:44] Action: thumbs curses [10:45] <_RadioHead> bah ill go for ahrdware raid better. [10:45] <_RadioHead> hardware* [10:46] screenshot of my desktop with myth: http://tinyurl.com/mythpic [10:46] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:46] .....among other things.. [10:47] Teddy Ruxpin................... [10:47] my neighbour maced another neighbour the other night and it leaked into my apt.. god damn mace is killer :O even my cats were dying.. lol [10:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:47] damn rights teddy ruxpin! i found it for $5 at wal-mart [10:48] must be for your kids [10:48] lol [10:48] no its for nostalgia :) [10:48] i like cartoons [10:48] heh [10:48] we see that [10:48] My Buddy? [10:48] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [10:48] no My Buddy? [10:49] my little buddy? lol i used to have a my little buddy doll but i never saw the cartoon that i can remember.. [10:49] no Care Bears?! [10:49] oh ya i have care bears [10:50] no My Little Pony?! [10:50] and talespin, gargoyles, chip n dales rescue rangers, x-men, archies funhouse, etc.. [10:50] i_is_cat: Nice screens [= [10:51] ty :) compiz makes screenshots look all fancy-like [10:51] anyone ever managed to get a twinhan capture card working with linux? [10:51] never heard of it.. what chip does it have? [10:51] mythtv has a wiki with hardware listed.. [10:52] not sure what chipset [10:52] my gigabyte global tv tuner isnt listed but the chip is the saa7134 so it works [10:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [10:52] compl3x, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards [10:53] already there i_is_cat [= [10:53] there are 5 twinhan cards listen [10:53] listed* [10:53] ooh nice [= [10:53] just hope this card doesn't have any bloody irq conflicts with this new setup [10:53] yep sounds promising.. my other tuner is an ati tv wonder theater pro 550 and it does *not* work at all which sucks huge balls [10:54] ati tv wonders are listed but when it comes to the theater pro 550, its a linux brick [10:55] :p [10:55] i_is_cat: Whats mythtv gui like .. ie: can I run windowed ? [10:56] the other thing that sucks is the ir receiver on my gigabyte tuner doesnt work, doesnt even seem to be recognized at all and my imon receiver decodes in the hardware so only the imon remote works with it and ya i believe you can set it to be windowed in the options [10:56] tho i'd use tvtime for that personally [10:56] and mythweb for the channel listings.. [10:56] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.165.242) joined ##slackware. [10:56] hi how do I set my color pallete to 32 bits just changed xorg.conf and cannot start X server [10:56] i_is_cat: So if I install mythtv - will that handle the drivers? [10:56] paul424: you want to use 24 bit instead [10:57] ough ok [10:57] most of the drivers seem to be built in when you stick your card in and boot up it should be recognized [10:57] brb ;) [10:57] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.165.242) left irc: Client Quit [10:57] i_is_cat: so just put it in, grab tv time and go from there? [10:57] you might have to append some options like my saa7134 gets recognized as card=0 so i had to add card=81 and a few other options to get sound working [10:57] ah nice cheers i_is_cat [10:58] http://tinyurl.com/pdlld3 [10:58] yep its pretty darn easy for the supported cards [10:58] superGear:ew [10:59] myth can be a bitch to setup depending on what you want to do with it but if you dont need myth, then tvtime basically just works (assuming the right kernel modules are loaded for your card) [10:59] ew? [10:59] i_is_cat: I have to agree on the old x-men cartoons [10:59] Fox's xmen was cool [10:59] purist (n=infiiini@ppp121-44-125-251.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] superGear: whys my name highlighted? ;p [10:59] imexius (n=imexius@70.76.192.80) joined ##slackware. [10:59] ya those old xmens are wicked [10:59] i_is_cat: I loved those. I recall one where wolverine was fighting a giant in a cave, and ripping him to shreds [10:59] compl3x: no idea [10:59] oh ]= felt special for a split second :p [10:59] i_is_cat: going completely insane, slashing left and right [11:00] hi all, can somebody help me with X server and XDMCP configuration to get a windows terminal server like behaviour from a linux box? [11:00] aaaaaaaaaarhhhhahhhhhhhhhhhagggggggggahhhhh [11:00] :) [11:00] wolverine is hands down the coolest xmen around [11:01] i_is_cat: I agree [11:01] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Rogue [11:01] not new Rogue [11:01] huge jackman: seen that guys ears? [11:01] inahurry (i=bcirap@205.236.45.109) joined ##slackware. [11:01] but old rogue [11:01] I am currently using ubuntu, i have XDMCP running and an X server on my windows machine, I would like to be able to connect to X, create a new session and detach from the session so that I can login at a later time from another client, is this possible? anybody? :) [11:01] rogue used to be powerful in the cartoons [11:01] besides his claws and healing power, his attitude and his wanting to gut everyone he dislikes just makes him great [11:01] the new one, in the movies, is a wuss [11:01] purist: try #ubuntu [11:01] [= [11:02] i_is_cat: the wolverine movie is gonna kick ass [11:02] i've seen it and it does :) [11:02] it's already out? [11:02] I hearn Wolverine movie sucked [11:02] it really really does [11:02] heard* [11:02] superGear: I have already tried #ubuntu couple of time , didn't come across anybody who knew what i was talking about, I came to slackware because i had this going on slackware years ago, just took a break and changed distro. :/ [11:02] gambit sucks imo but otherwise, it was awesome [11:03] purist: ask #ubuntu [11:03] purist: well we support slackware as you know [11:03] purist: or install slackware and we'll help you [11:03] we don't support ubuntu :P [11:03] +1 [11:03] Gambit has to suck coz the movie revolves around wolverine [11:03] has anybody had problems with kate (4.2.2)? [11:03] lol thumbs, have you not heard that the movie was stolen from the studio before being finished? and downloaded a reported 4million times [11:04] i_is_cat: oh, that [11:04] inahurry: in what sense? [11:04] ok lets forget the ubuntu part, on slackware, has anybody got XDMCP going with multiple logins able to create/attach and detach from sessions? :) [11:04] i_is_cat: I will go see it in theaters [11:04] Zozma (n=Winter@d2-230.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:04] I opened a new session in kate [11:04] it came out in theater too.. but im wicked poor right now [11:04] purist: are you using slackware? [11:04] i_is_cat: With no fx - just placeholders lol [11:04] theres fx [11:04] thumbs: yes I am [11:04] just not in every scene [11:04] ah right [11:04] purist: no, you're running ubuntu [11:05] i_is_cat: I might go see it tonight, then [11:05] thumbs: just say you don't knw the answer :) (by the way, I am using vista right now) [11:05] like when he gets smoked by the logging truck its a greyish oval type body that bounces on the truck lol no detail in it [11:05] purist: I know the answer [11:05] then I closed kate and it said something about SIG11 [11:05] and he climbs up some building and his claws arent there but the sound of the claws digging in is there [11:06] thats what they call a workprint I guess [11:06] purist: reboot to slackware, and we'll help you [11:06] I'm sorry, I didn't take note of the error in detail and I'm nowhere near the computer with kde4 [11:06] theres one scene where they show him holding someones arm and they keey switching views and from wolverines side, his claws are there, from the other guys side.. no claws lol and they keep switching back and forth [11:06] keep* [11:06] i_is_cat: no spoilers please [11:06] ok apart from thumbs here, does anybody else know what i am talking about? [11:07] inahurry: Ive had a few issues like that - but only on rare occasions - but as im running current i dismissed it and upgraded and they vannished [11:07] nah i wouldnt do that.. even if you see it in theater tho, its totally worth downloading.. just to see the neat areas where the effects arent done [11:07] purist: you'll find that no one will help you unless you are running slackware [11:07] purist: and you admitted that you were on ubuntu [11:08] inahurry: if you run -current, i would first upgrade to last nights updates [11:08] how old , I'm going to look at what -current (date) I'm using [11:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: [11:08] well since you said 4.2.2, older than last night. [11:08] the new current seems pretty kickass with the new compression [11:08] package dir dropped by a couple gig [= [11:08] thumbs: i don't see how that is a big deal.. [11:08] compl3x: yeah, I am just writing a script to convert tgz -> txz [11:08] purist: it is here [11:09] purist: no one will even resond to you anymore [11:09] thumbs: but fair enough, you don't have to help [11:09] BP{k} You updated then I take it? [11:09] purist: so go to #ubuntu [11:09] compl3x: not yet. [11:09] btw, I have a laptop with me with nothing but junk on it, I'm going to install -current on it but I only have with me a 12.2 dvd [11:09] BP{k} I mirrored - just waiting to upgrade [11:09] BP{k} is the only difference compression? [11:09] thumbs: orite just for you, I will fire up slackware [11:09] can I boot the 12.2 dvd and tell the installer to fetch the package sets at X mirror? [11:09] inahurry, you can dist-upgrade later [11:09] compl3x: I noticed it last night, but was out of bandwidth, so gonna convert everything first, then download. [11:10] compl3x: well there are some other changes to current (kde 4.2.3 for example) [11:10] BP{k} I meant the new packages [= [11:10] Hmmm, it's going to be recreating the entire mirror via rsync. [11:10] (local mirror) [11:10] damn! webkit source code is bloated has hell! 309 megs, wtf! [11:10] all GCC packages have been repackaged [11:10] gm152: only the pkg dirs. but you can convert tgz to txz [11:11] Pig_Pen: shouldn't be :( [11:11] gm152: source is 1.9gig now and pkgdir is only 1.4 [11:11] so, I should install the release and do a dist upgrade? [11:11] Pig_Pen: WebKit r43436 was built on 09 May 2009 and is a 10.3 MB download. [11:11] yes [11:11] http://nightly.webkit.org/files/WebKit-SVN-source.tar.bz2 309 megs [11:11] BP{k}: I'll try that first before the rsync. [11:11] is it going to remove kde3 and replace it with kde4? [11:11] yes [11:11] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [11:11] unfortunatly [11:11] just a moment, I'm at school [11:12] Pig_Pen: http://builds.nightly.webkit.org/files/trunk/src/WebKit-r43436.tar.bz2 [11:12] gm152: http://rafb.net/p/7yzViI39.html <-- rough draft, untested, but you'll get the general idea [11:12] I can't access ftp mirrors, just http [11:12] is this going to cause problems? [11:12] BP{k} Nice [= [11:13] Thanks, BP{k} That script seems handy to convert easily. [11:14] Otherwise, rsync will delete all *tgz as they don't exist in the remote mirror then dlownload al *.txz. [11:14] ah, thanks thrice` [11:15] gm152: that's _exactly_ what I had happen last night. Luckily I keep a backup mirror on kethry's computer. [11:16] unknown to kethry \o/ [11:16] Backups are a saviour. :) [11:16] zuhair (n=zuhair@202.59.174.193) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Hehe. [11:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] meeh I was lazy and just mirrored it all [11:16] gm152: yeah, I used to run my -current rsync script with --backup and --backup-dir. [11:16] ttyX, where did you get info about dist-upgrade, I've looked at FAQ and slackbook and can't find info there [11:17] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] inahurry, its three step process [11:17] very easy to follow [11:17] first sync the repos which isnt one of the etsps actually [11:18] steps* [11:18] then slackpkg clean-system [11:18] slackpkg install-new [11:18] you mean download down the slackware tree? [11:18] -down [11:18] slackpkg upgrade-all [11:18] yes [11:18] ttyX: you know .. you type to much. [11:18] ttyX: I never slackpkg clean-system first - what does this affect? [11:18] ttyX: all that can be summarised as "slackpkg(8)" [11:18] compl3x: slackpkg(8) [11:19] manpages: it's not there for just shit and giggles! [11:19] compl3x, it removes packages removed from the -current slack tree [11:19] so sync means to download the tree (like A/ KDE/ X/ L/ ,etc.).. can I do with with wget? [11:19] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] inahurry, man slackpkg please [11:19] hum hum [11:19] ok [11:20] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [11:20] does slackpkg come with base system? [11:20] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host21-234-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:20] ffs [11:20] type [11:20] man slackpkg [11:21] inahurry: are you running slackware-current? [11:21] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [11:21] duuuuude, I'm in the middle of installing 12.2 stable right now, so obviously I can't man slackpkg [11:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] I was going to follow ttyX's way [11:21] then why are you concerned right now? wait until you're done [11:21] ok :) [11:22] inahurry, don't worry you can't break anything with slackpkg [11:22] it can rebuild the whole system if you go wrong [11:22] how come slackpkg isn't in the slackbook? [11:22] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:22] coz it was included only in slack 12 release [11:23] and from then onwards its part of it [11:23] you mean 12.2, of course? [11:23] so I shouldn't rely on the book then? [11:23] no [11:23] The Moon is Full [11:23] :P [11:24] slackpkg has made life a lot easier :p [11:24] agreed [11:24] thanks, I will read its manual and come back here if I have any problems [11:25] is there an online manual page (so I can read while it's installing stable release)? [11:25] http://www.slackpkg.org/documentation.html [11:26] I need to download it first? [11:26] is this endorsed by slackware? [11:27] it's included in slackware-12.2 [11:27] its part of slack [11:27] thanks, I'll follow the instructions and come back in half an hour if the laptop is burning [11:27] wait, slackpkg is included? how do I use it? [11:28] :| [11:28] zuhair (n=zuhair@202.59.174.193) left ##slackware. [11:29] follow BP{k}'s link [11:29] ok [11:29] http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/sys/1162144420.html check this out, someone is selling a nvidia video card that has had the cooling fins and/or fan removed [11:30] that thing will fry as soon as you start using it [11:31] xfx had an electric stove edition of nvidias [11:32] mmmm fried chips [11:32] Pig_Pen, my guess is it's already fried [11:33] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:33] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [11:33] could be, i am always paranoid about buying electronics from craigslist, i wont buy, unless it is something bulletproof like an anvil :D [11:33] hey Camarade_Tux how did the breakfast went :p [11:34] Pig_Pen: anvils have electronics in them? ;) [11:34] ttyX :) [11:34] if I got this straight, slackpkg update; slackpkg install-new; slackpkg upgrade-all.. and I will have a working -current ? [11:35] it was lunch actually, /me is now waiting for the dinner ;p [11:35] of course, after specifying the mirror [11:35] inahurry, after slackpkg update its slackpkg clean-system [11:35] everything else is correct [11:35] but it'S already clean, no? I just installed 12.2 stable [11:35] u don't get it do you [11:36] eh.. no lol [11:36] "Remove all the packages that don't belong to a standard Slackware installation" [11:36] it'll clean the packages that were part of slack12.2 but not of current [11:36] but I just did a standard installation, no third party crap installed [11:36] ahhh [11:36] sorry, my english is not very good [11:37] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:37] hey Camarade_Tux will makepkg handle .txz now? [11:37] Zozma_ (n=Winter@72-160-223-233.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] if you tell it to [11:38] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [11:38] hmm will try with openoofice [11:38] openoffice* [11:38] for making packages, .txz is much slower than .tgz [11:38] thanks ttyX for your patience and help :) [11:38] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:39] np inahurry [11:39] BP{k}: no electronics in an anvil ;p it was the only thing i could think of that would be bullet proof [11:39] ok, I just vim'ed a kernel module that wouldn't insert, let's insert it now... [11:40] brb compile time [11:40] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] if its a tight fit you better use some lubeuntu [11:40] :D [11:40] depmod [11:40] Segmentation fault [11:40] seems you can't easily edit kernel modules by hand =/ [11:41] hmmm, I'm tempted to insert it anyway [11:42] urge to misquote .. rising. ;) [11:42] dont run strip on kernel modules! i did that once a long time ago and had to chroot and run make modules_install again, good thing i keep the kernel source around or i would have had to rebuild it [11:42] nvision (n=nvision@g229160130.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] crap, I'm not skilled enough to edit a kernel module by hand =/ [11:43] Pig_Pen, I didn't strip it, I vim'ed it ! that's 100 times worse ! [11:43] spazter (n=acid@spy.int.sevenl.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:44] I keep getting a symbol lookup error GST_CAT_DEFAULT when running rhythmbox after a update. What's likely causing this to happen? [11:44] when it comes to editing files i dont go outside of /etc (to scarry anywhere else) [11:44] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [11:44] src2pkg hey what do you think of that tool ? [11:45] imexius: rhythmbox from where ? [11:45] paul424: huge fan :) [11:45] paul424, good tool [11:45] unless it is something trivial like in /usr/share/applications [11:45] thrice`: GSB and I also made my own package [11:45] I ran intot his problem before, but I can't remember how I fixed it. [11:45] Pig_Pen, the file I edited was in my $HOME :) [11:46] it's only after that I cp'ed it to /lib/modules/... ;) [11:46] ah, you kept a pristine backup copy, goodboy leroy [11:47] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-64-161.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:47] ttyX, sorry to bug you again [11:48] Camarade_Tux: how do I install it ... I mean there is no package at SlackBuild.org [11:48] Pig_Pen, actually I was only too lazy to type vim /lib/modules/2.6.29/misc/stk11xx.ko the first time I edited it ;) [11:48] but when I ran clean-system [11:48] yes [11:48] I got a dialog window with a long list of preselected packages to remove [11:48] is it safe to assume they were correctly selected? [11:48] its safe to remove them [11:48] paul424, you got a .tgz ? it's already a package [11:48] gg [11:48] thanks [11:48] i like a dirty-system but with only my brand and arrangement of dirt [11:49] Zozma (n=Winter@d2-230.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] Action: BP{k} finds paul424 statement somewhat amusing. [11:49] didn't work, got a bunch of errors for many packages that were attempted to be removed [11:49] I know ! I didn't run make prepare on the kernel sources, that's why it still thought it was 2.6.30-rc5 [11:49] f.ex.: [11:50] Package: zsh-4.2.6-i486-1.tgz [11:50] Removing... [11:50] yikes [11:50] which mirror did you uncomment? [11:50] zsh should be at 4.3.x iirc [11:51] be careful while slecting mirrors [11:51] and sat away from belnet and gwdg [11:51] stay* [11:51] /usr/libexec/slackpkg/core-functions.sh: /sbin/removepkg: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [11:51] sorry 4.3.6 :) [11:51] I uncommented http://gulus... slackware-current [11:52] *sigh* [11:52] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [11:52] you broke it! [11:52] so it removeso mething I needed [11:52] removed* [11:52] well I am of fdoing something useful. [11:53] Action: BP{k} grabs a magnifying glass and starts looking for Higgs boson particle. [11:53] what went wrong, I followed instructions in the manual [11:53] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.70) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:53] edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [11:53] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host21-234-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [11:53] you somehow removed pkgtools, it seems [11:53] uncomment mirror closest to me with slackware-current [11:53] inahurry: try selecting some othre mirror I'd suggest osuosl but it's not listed in the file [11:53] i need a new bed for summertime sleeping, the one i have i get too hot in the mattress absorbs and keeps too much heat in, any ideas? [11:54] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host21-234-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Pig_Pen: remove the mattress [11:54] prob solved [11:54] sleep on the box springs? [11:54] Pig_Pen: join #summerbeds [11:54] ;) [11:54] maybe a waterbed [11:54] inahurry: you said you were installing slackware-12.2 [11:54] yes [11:55] and current borked it [11:55] BP{k}: he's upgrading to -current [11:55] and then I fetched the -current tree with slackpkg [11:55] Camarade_Tux: and then src2pkg package.i.want.to.install.tar.bz2 ? [11:55] inahurry: why do you want to run -current? [11:55] did an update, ran clean-system (this was weird, because slackpkg had preselected A LOT of installed packages) [11:55] I need latest of many things [11:55] uhm.... [11:55] because it was using current as a reference [11:56] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8be9.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [11:56] inahurry: Did'nt we tel ya it'll remove kde3 and replace it with kde4? [11:56] yes [11:56] you *NEVER* Run "slackpkg clean-system" as the second command [11:56] paul424, that's the gist of it. For detailed information, check the wiki: src2pkg.net [11:56] did you read the fscking manpage [11:56] yes [11:56] <_RadioHead> yo yo BP{k} :) [11:56] clean-system hosted your system. who recommended that? [11:56] inahurry: no. [11:57] inahurry: don't waste our time please. [11:57] alright [11:57] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.5.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:57] paul424, well, src2pkg sources_of_the_package_you_want_to_install.tar.gz/bz2 (iirc) [11:57] thanks for your hospitality [11:57] inahurry (i=bcirap@205.236.45.109) left ##slackware. [11:57] it saw none of the -current packages on your system, so it probably removed anything that changed in -current ( bad ) [11:58] yep. [11:58] that's how it's done [11:58] I didlike that only [11:58] ttyX: *no* [11:59] ttyX: you just hosed his system, btw [11:59] ttyX: well done. [11:59] lol [11:59] I really did it like that [11:59] ttyX: "slackpkg clean-system" is run as the *LAST* command. [11:59] the manpage clearly says: slackpkg update; slackpkg install-new; slackpkg upgrade-all; slackpkg clean-system [12:00] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] ROKO__ (i=milen@85.217.254.183) joined ##slackware. [12:00] ROKO__ (i=milen@85.217.254.183) left irc: Client Quit [12:00] haha [12:00] ttyX didn't you said read the man page aswell? :p [12:00] and your advise of "ignore the manual" was pretty epic [12:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:00] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.9.16) joined ##slackware. [12:00] fail :p [12:01] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] BP{k}: That tgz to txz conversion script you provided as a link needs a bit more work. Seems that a one liner is needed to convert .tar that resulted from gunzip to $BASENAME before xz deals with said $BASENAME. [12:01] thrice`: said ignore slackbook not manual [12:01] please read carefully [12:02] slackbook is the manual :p [12:02] itfm :p [12:02] slackpkg manual is what we're talkin bout here [12:03] Or can xz compress .tar ? [12:03] maybe your should brush up on it yourself :) [12:03] thrice`: I know it very well [12:04] install-new rebuilds the whole system [12:04] orly? [12:04] :p [12:04] Action: drijen snorts [12:04] no it doesn't [12:04] Action: drijen flat out guffaws [12:04] yes it does [12:04] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] wtf are you talking about? [12:05] :| [12:05] if you had a satndard slack-instal [12:05] it installs only new packages [12:05] the other way to rebuild the whole system is install group by group [12:05] seriously, please read through "man slackpkg" [12:06] speak of slackpkg - time to upgrade- :) laters all [12:06] you have no clue what it does, and subsequently just killed someone's system [12:06] lol owned. [12:06] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [12:06] thrice`: it wasnt my fault if he selected the wrong mirror [12:06] /quit [12:06] have u ever tried belnet mirror? [12:06] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] he *didn't*, he ran the commands in the wrong order, as you recommended [12:07] hell, the order is in the man page [12:07] Action: drijen still doesn't trust it for an upgrade [12:09] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:09] freerider (i=freeride@klodzko.linux.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:10] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:10] is there really no asvab study software for linux? [12:10] freerider (i=freeride@klodzko.linux.pl) left ##slackware. [12:10] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [12:11] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [12:11] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [12:11] anyone updated to last nights updates yet? [12:11] compl3x: no sir, exam week :( [12:12] hmm i mirrored - and was about to do the standard procedure of slackpkg update etc - but doesn't do anything - do I need to upgrade slackpkg? [12:13] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:13] compl3x: do it by hand [12:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:14] JaxjX (n=gts@189.41.59.184) joined ##slackware. [12:14] hhmm :/ [12:14] compl3x: I haven't tried, no. perhaps slackpkg is confused by the new format. you did update first ? [12:14] thrice' yeah I did .. [12:15] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [12:15] http://pastebin.com/m104974f [12:15] txz ??? [12:16] JaxjX, new format for packages.. [12:16] what you thinking of this ?? [12:16] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] quite like the idea- smaller files / faster decompression? [12:17] it's slower decompression [12:17] slower decompression [12:17] and *much* slower compression [12:17] was a audacious decision ;.. [12:17] unless the media you're reading from is slow [12:17] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [12:18] thrice`, in my benchmarkes, xz was twice slower than p7zip to compress [12:18] so that should improve :) [12:18] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.203.219) left ##slackware. [12:18] but are 2 diferent aproach .. [12:18] i compared it to gzip, and (admittadely basic tests), it was about 6 times slower to compress [12:18] so has anyone updated yet? [12:19] one are the compression .. on the other hand performance... [12:19] I'm about to but not via slackpkg. [12:19] Nick change: superGear -> Hakudoshi [12:19] hba (n=hba@189.188.139.5) joined ##slackware. [12:19] gm152: what method? [12:19] compl3x: are you sure your mirror is up-to-date ? [12:20] rsync. [12:20] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.108.21) joined ##slackware. [12:20] thrice`, yeah pretty sure [12:20] considering i have kde4.2.3 packages in the package dirs now [12:21] Pat was very agressive .. take look for FreeBSD.. (.tbz)... [12:21] compl3x: what does slackpkg upgrade-all say ? [12:21] when space is getting low, I always know where to look for... : 486M .mozilla [12:21] .tbz is bad, it's just too slow to extract [12:21] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] thrice`, ill try again and post the results .. brb [12:21] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [12:22] all your pastebin says is that you've already ran update :) [12:22] yes.. i gess... [12:23] will back ... [12:24] gm152: uhm .. fsck me over a barrel and call me roger. [12:24] WOOHOO [12:24] hawt [12:24] Action: drijen fsck's BP{k} over a barrell [12:24] been waitin for this@ [12:24] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:24] gm152: on line 8 .. ad .tar after $BASENAME [12:24] I think .. [12:24] .... [12:25] Action: BP{k} actually goes and test his code before doing anything else :) [12:25] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:26] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [12:26] BP{k}: Indeed, I did. :) [12:27] The script works after that change. [12:27] gm152: in my defence; I threw that together while having my first coffee [12:27] Wait until you're finished drinking that coffee then! :) [12:27] drijen: last time you promised to use bacon lube .. dammit. [12:28] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:30] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.79.158) joined ##slackware. [12:30] what's the fun in that? :) [12:31] hitest: Ask Gilbert to send you the latest version of src2pkg. His email address is in /etc/src2pkg.conf (At the top). [12:32] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-121-226.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[12:59] I still use it to see if a package will build ok before making a slackbuild script for some things [13:00] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host201-199-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Thursap (n=bnguyen@118.71.108.21) left irc: "leaving" [13:04] why does k3b stop at 100% for like 5 minutes EVERY time I burn a cd? [13:04] it feels a little arbitrary lol [13:05] 99%, yeah [13:05] odd k3b works fine for me [13:05] finalising the session? [13:05] works fine for me too but at 99% it always just sits there and stares at me [13:05] Hi Billy_Idol. :) [13:05] and then eventually pops it out [13:06] valvola (n=fabiovio@host203-251-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:06] firebird619: flesh! flesh for fantasy. [13:06] it burns okay tho? [13:06] dartmouth, it always take 30s-1min to finalize a disc [13:06] dartmouth: It's probably just finalizing the disc. [13:06] Hey Camarade_Tux. How are you? [13:06] greetings firebird619:) [13:06] Hi hitest. How are you? [13:07] hey firebird619 :) [13:07] firebird619: I am well, ty:) how are you doing? [13:07] nice, thanks, and you ? [13:07] hitest: doing very well, thanks. [13:07] Camarade_Tux: doing very well, thanks. :) [13:07] hi Camarade_Tux:) [13:08] firebird619: time to scrap the bsd vm and hook yourself up with ... :P [13:08] Billy_Idol: If I don't get that mouse figured out, it will get tossed out. :) [13:09] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] firebird619: i was actually going to try it in a real environment, but now way now :D [13:10] yeah, i just hit cancel at the end of it ;) [13:10] heh, yeah, I wouldn't try in a real environment either. [13:10] after like 5 minutes [13:10] let's see if it boots lol [13:10] i need more verbosity than k3b gives me [13:10] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [13:10] dartmouth: use cli tools then. :P [13:10] Hi compl3x. [13:11] hey firebird619 [= [13:11] im gonna have to [13:11] dartmouth - by any chance do you live in a place called dartmouth? [13:11] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [13:11] i don't, im in maine [13:11] ah right [13:11] I'm one of 10 nixers in the whole darn state [13:12] :p [13:12] haha, seriously? [13:12] maine's not a very safe place, if stephen king is right [13:12] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:12] hmm - i have a USB capture device - twinhan magic box and im assuming its using the usbvision drivers - but im not getting anywhere - no /dev/video .. any help? [13:13] hi hitest [13:13] http://imagebin.org/48445 && http://imagebin.org/48446 [13:13] :) [13:13] Billy_Idol: yeah there's all these clowns in the sewers and ancient gods under our mountains and stuff. really weird. [13:14] yep, that's what i hear [13:14] Hi Pig_Pen. How's it going? [13:14] dartmouth, don't complain, it's like I'm the only slacker in France =/ [13:14] good! [13:14] are you doing good firebird619 ? [13:14] Pig_Pen: Yes, doing very well, thank you. [13:15] heh la slackeur [13:15] Camarade_Tux: yeah, but you're in france. you have an excuse :P [13:15] :p [13:15] Camarade_Tux: ah, I should have guessed from the nickname [13:15] I bet she felt embarrased: http://img.makeupalley.com/9/5/6/8/1282025.GIF [13:15] actually I know two other slackers but it's like they are the only one in France [13:15] Hey thumbs. [13:16] How's it going? [13:16] dive: Yeah. I was the one testing the Opteron 64-bit builds. I need to get back to that soon. Buying replacement processors soon! [13:16] firebird619: not bad. I woke up at 8AM [13:16] thumbs: why? what's the nickname mean? [13:16] firebird619: I drank some water last night, woke up as fresh as a daisy [13:17] Billy_Idol: Camarade is a French word [13:17] dive: hitest: I'm writing a version control template for src2pkg now! [13:17] what's it mean? [13:17] thumbs :) [13:17] Billy_Idol: friend [13:17] thumbs: oh [13:17] Shingoshi, I tend to make slackbuilds now though [13:17] Billy_Idol: well not always, but often [13:18] firebird619: I will go to the office and grab the satellite [13:18] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:18] firebird619: I must try that shift trick [13:18] friend is Comrade. Is it spelled different in France? [13:18] You won't need to anymore. src2pkg has advanced that much. It's unnecessary. [13:18] thumbs: ok, let me know if it works. [13:18] firebird619: comrade is English [13:18] dive: ^^ [13:18] firebird619: errr Russian [13:19] thumbs: Ah, ok. [13:19] Shingoshi, I prefer slackbuilds though - and also submit them to SBo [13:19] firebird619: in French, you spell it Camarade. [13:19] ok [13:19] Shingoshi, nothing wrong with src2pkg though [13:19] firebird619: that's what I recall from my French classes [13:20] dive: We're creating the equivalent for src2pkg scripts now. [13:20] now if src2pkg could make a slackbuild script.. ;) [13:21] never really got to grips with src2slack [13:21] prefer using a template [13:22] Shingoshi: nice! [13:22] how can I check if my usb device is using a certain module? [13:22] No need for SlackBuilds. That's going to be obsoleted/depricated. Won't be required. [13:22] you hope ;) [13:23] I need to get back to work creating this version control system for src2pkg. [13:23] Shingoshi: you worship src2pkg [13:23] src2pkg lets you manipulate files, create symlinks in the package structure, etc ? [13:23] Hakudoshi (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [13:24] Shingoshi: ^^ [13:24] does it create a slack-desc? [13:25] does it create doinst.sh? [13:25] this fscking guy is still in here talking crap?! [13:25] Shingoshi: or, does it let you strip certain libraries ? [13:25] chopp: who? [13:25] src2pkg sounds a tad bit liek alien mixed with the other program [13:25] or cpan2rpm [13:25] :X [13:26] & configure switches and CFLAGS based on arch? [13:26] I forgot the other program name the one that you can use to make packages for [13:26] checkinstall? [13:26] yes [13:26] kitche: i've used src2pkg for various things [13:27] you'd better use the checkinstall that comes with src2pkg then [13:27] there a url for src2pkg? [13:27] ERROR! You must have a threaded Qt installed to compile MythTV.- does that mean im going to have to recompile qt? o.o [13:27] Camarade_Tux: wherefore [13:28] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] drijen, actually maybe not : checkinstall was unmaintained for some time (but it was updated in src2pkg) but it seems to be maintained again now [13:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.85.197) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:29] don't think checkinstall is maintained but installwatch is [13:30] valvola (n=fabiovio@host203-251-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:30] bbl slackers:) [13:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:30] Camarade_Tux: they have nothing in common [13:31] drijen: ah but they do since src2pkg uses installwatch which is part of checkinstall [13:31] i mean in terms of what the purpose is [13:31] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host201-199-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: ""Muovendosi cambia" - Sbancor" [13:31] umm what make packages out of source? [13:31] src2pkg is good for making a package quickly for testing but I wouldn't use it full-time [13:31] checkinstall is what you do, src2pkg does it for yuou [13:31] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:32] can't use src2pkg a lot anyway [13:32] cmake packages confuse it, -- anything with a nonstandard compile basically [13:32] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [13:33] I think it supports cmake now [13:33] neat [13:33] and some other make formats [13:33] tr_ (n=tr@adsl-68-94-7-42.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] i just started writing scripts, and got used to doing it that way [13:33] but still - prefer a SB script [13:33] How does one turn of touchpad clcking? [13:33] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:33] ON a laptop? [13:33] tr_: got synaptics driver installed? [13:33] configure the driver properly [13:34] tr_: theres a howto on slackwiki.org i belive [13:34] SlacBuilds will never be deprecated anyway - Slackware uses them you know :-) [13:34] drijen: I really don't know [13:34] bbl, haircut [13:34] quoting gilbert : "[...] also that I have forked the installwatch porgram/library and fixed the problems that [...]", I actually messed up the names [13:34] alienBOB, I think he has great expectations ;) [13:34] look a this slackbuild http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/amigolinux/download/src2pkg/src2pkg-1.9.7/src2pkg.build-noarch [13:34] good lord [13:35] are those bad characters in there too? [13:35] I have nothing against src2pkg, but I will never use it - I see no reason [13:35] Action: drijen bows before alienBOB [13:35] how are ya [13:36] Good good, a lot of changes to -current [13:36] drijen: Not sure what to search for... [13:36] alienBOB: good to hear [13:36] on slackwiki.org [13:36] tr_: i have a torrent running, moment [13:37] great [13:37] time to boot up -current box then do an update [13:37] alienBOB: xorg plz :> [13:37] database on slackwiki is still fubared [13:37] antiwire: red, green, blue, now isn't that cute. [13:37] just learn makepkg paul424 [13:37] chopp: lol [13:37] chopp: do you see those character issues or is it just my end? [13:37] antiwire: I see them as well. [13:37] so... [13:37] I like the fact he has 'cd $TEMP_DIR' twice just to make sure ;) [13:38] chopp, and most important, highly readable :) [13:38] who else is very drunked? [13:38] and ';' at the end of them [13:39] {Repelex} (n=STRESSAD@200.175.151.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:39] It's a mess, there's no doubt about it. [13:39] cypreshill (n=Administ@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:40] tr_: http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/ [13:40] tr_: i leave it to you to google the rest - plenty on linuxquestions.org [13:40] i have a tummy full of steak fajitas :D [13:40] anyway, off to haircut, later, take it easy [13:40] thrice`: It does all of that in the $PKG.src2pkg scripts that are created. [13:40] drijen: remember... lose the mullet this time [13:40] nooper_ (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] monstro (i=1000@189.111.23.138) joined ##slackware. [13:41] thrice`: It's a one-stop build-all system. [13:41] it looks like a frog in a blender [13:41] make install DESTDIR=/tmp/pkg then cd /tmp/pkg next makepkg /tmp/package_name.tgz done! [13:41] riiiibbbbit [13:42] Action: Shingoshi is going to be very busy. If I don't see your questions, it's because I'm on another desktop. My panel is set to autohide. 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[13:47] yeah, warts guts and all [13:48] How is the management of QoS in Linux? Without software additional, just the kernel ? [13:49] you need to use userspace tools [13:49] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [13:50] dngr (n=dngr@n112118148128.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [13:50] suggests some tutorial ? [13:51] fire yourself out of a tutorial cannon [13:51] sledgehammer [13:51] would that be what you call being cannonized? [13:51] no, its canon [13:52] my poor spelling & grammar [13:52] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:52] Nick change: n1hub -> nlhub [13:52] nooper (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:52] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] haha speaking to a windows guy who thinks ubuntu is linux's saviour - im going to punch him [13:53] hahaha. [13:53] compl3x: elbow him in the face for me [13:53] will do :p [13:53] dont use your hands, you'll hurt your hands as much as his face [13:54] distro wars will never end [13:54] true but considering this guy has never used linux - well hardley [13:54] ubuntu is to slackware as crackers are to hackers! [13:54] compl3x, why not? linux needs a mainstream distro if it is going to go public :) [13:54] it makes me laugh [13:54] {Repelex} (n=STRESSAD@200.175.151.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [13:54] tbh : do you want linux to go public? [13:54] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:55] linux to go public what exactly does that mean? [13:55] is linux not public [13:55] mainstream perhaps? [13:55] compl3x, sure ! that way we won't have to compile things for windows anymore >< [13:55] it means wide usage as a desktop system [13:55] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [13:55] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] windows is here to stay [13:56] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [13:56] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ well it is in /pub/linux* ;p [13:56] Camarade_Tux: You will always have to compile for windows :p [13:56] thats as public as it gets :D [13:56] Pig_Pen, haha [13:56] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [13:56] john_dee: sssshh you. [13:56] agreed Pig_Pen [13:57] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Client Quit [13:57] compl3x, noooooo, please, noooooooooooo ! [13:57] Pig_Pen, yeah, funny..sorta [13:57] ='( [13:57] spook, ye? [13:57] haha [13:58] guess what [13:58] even if i don't want it to become mainstream doesn't mean that no one wants that [13:58] I downloaded win7 upgrade advisor [13:58] and it rejected my system lol [13:58] ttyX, you're saved :D [13:58] monstro (i=1000@189.111.23.138) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:58] ttyX: i downloaded it too, wouldnt run. [13:58] not even with wine? [13:58] monstro (i=1000@201-92-44-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:58] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [13:59] hey, I need to install win7 rc pretty soon [13:59] whats wine? isnt that what windows users do? [13:59] MS is still stickin with win7 starter crap? [13:59] Camarade_Tux: I have it in a VM already. :) [13:59] starter can only run 3 apps [13:59] windows users whine, linux users just use wine [13:59] ttyX: win7 starter? [13:59] yes [13:59] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] firebird619, I have it truly installed [13:59] special edition for netbooks [13:59] ahh ok [13:59] dumbed down to be precise [14:00] lol isnt windows that way normaly? [14:00] Camarade_Tux: Well, I have the beta on an hdd, just not hooked up. In a vm anyway, very noticable performance increase. [14:00] can only run three apps at a time [14:00] with the rc thatis. [14:00] err. that is [14:00] firebird619: its RC now [14:00] yup [14:00] personally I had no problems with win7, everything was smooth; sometimes I didn't know whether I was running kde4 or win7 [14:00] I looking for a way to preven win7 from overwriting my mbr before I install it [14:00] s/I/I'm [14:01] / [14:01] cypreshill: so you wanna be a rock superstar? [14:01] cypreshill: that's one prob with MS they've stopped innovating now [14:01] Camarade_Tux: good luck. :) [14:01] cypreshill: Yeah I actaully liked Win7(For a windows platform) still sticking with slackware though. :D [14:01] Billy_Idol: such a good song [= [14:01] ttyX: They never were innovative just copy and paste. [14:01] xp is still the best windows. [14:01] a rock star? :S [14:01] the best windows are made of glas. [14:02] lf4: no they used to be long back [14:02] that means looooooooooooooong back [14:02] :p [14:02] i might look at win7 installed in someone elses PC, i dont buy or use windows for several reasons, 1. its a vulnerable piece of crap, 2. it costs an incredible amount of money when linux can accomplish all i need for free [14:02] cypreshill, its a song by them [14:02] lol back in the dos days. ;) just messing with you. [14:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "mIRC" [14:02] by who? [14:02] Pig_Pen: what about MAC then [14:02] costs too much money [14:02] Hey lf4. How are you? [14:02] Action: lf4 never bought a copy of windows. [14:02] I'm doing well firebird619 how about yourself? [14:03] lf4: heh, me either, just have had the windows that came with the pc's. [14:03] lf4: doing very well, thanks. [14:03] I got my BB Storm yesterday so I've been trying to play with that while I install XP on my grandmothers computer. [14:03] I got this name from The Simpsons, couldn't find anything original [14:03] Thats good to hear. [14:03] cypreshill, ]= [14:03] sorry, lol [14:04] Nick change: cypreshill -> UnoriginalNick [14:04] bleeding gums murphy is my favorite Simpsons cartoon character [14:04] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [14:04] lf4: What, grandma isn't on Slackware yet? :P [14:04] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:04] win2k was the best windows [14:04] monstro (i=1000@201-92-44-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:04] ttyX: yeah [14:04] mine is Ralph Wiggum, we both excel at nose picking [14:04] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Oh no ways... haha even my family is not on slackware because I dont want to deal with the hassle of trying to teach them all. [14:04] ttyX: it still is. It runs fast, it's lean, simple [14:04] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [14:04] yep [14:04] lf4: good plan. :D [14:05] its slack of windows world coz it works ;) [14:05] ttyX: the bootup time is killer, however. [14:05] I *bet*, I really bet a netbook on slackware could be a true success [14:05] firebird619: Its nice though no way for them to use my computer since they dont know linux and i boot at level3 :) so I know no one touches my computers. [14:05] ttyX: I wish they fixed that [14:05] yeah but overall beats the crap out of others [14:05] Camarade_Tux: Yeah that would be awesome. [14:05] lf4: yeah, that's nice. :) [14:06] firebird619: How is your weekend going sofar? [14:06] i am using my eeepc with slackware, it rocks [14:06] MS needed atleast one more sp for win2k [14:06] lf4: going great so far. How about yours? [14:06] spook: same [= [14:06] ttyX: it had 4, dont be greedy [14:06] 1000h [14:06] 900lin [14:06] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-148.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] 901 rather [14:07] nice [14:07] 1000 series is too big [14:07] spook: just to fix some minor issues [14:07] esp boot time [14:07] It's going alright just got bunked for a "date" tonight lol this girl is way to busy. haha [14:07] ttyX: thats not a service pack, thats just updates [14:07] SM177Y (n=josh@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] spook, they aint [14:07] compl3x: yes, they are. [14:07] Freak 42(364MB) Updates even after SP3 for XP. [14:07] dont argue with a drunk person [14:08] lf4: haha, you're not on dial-up are you? :P [14:08] spook, gnanana [14:08] sp3 is broken [14:08] I rolled back sp3 on all the boxes at work [14:08] only sp2 for now. [14:08] firebird619: Nope if I was I would connect my BB to the computer and go over EVDO it would be faster then Dialup. [14:08] hi, so im trying to build a new kernel here with PCI_MSI enabled for ati drivers and ive done it b4 but i keep getting kernel panics when it trys to mount my root drive so i know i must have missed something but i cant figure out what [14:09] sp3 sucks [14:09] All windows SP that are odd numbered break things and the even ones fix them. :) [14:09] i even made an initrd with all my modules in /lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp lol [14:09] i use xp 64bit, so theres only 2 SPs. same codebase as 2k3 server [14:09] SM177Y: What version of ATI drivers? [14:09] 9.3 [14:10] What version of slackware? [14:10] 12.2 [14:10] ATI 9.3 is having issues with 12.2 [14:10] ya but thats not my issue...yet [14:10] i need the kernel to boot first [14:10] if anything i will use an older driver i dont care [14:11] Ok :) just letting you know(if you didnt). [14:11] im on a laptop using xfs as my root fs with a laptop ide drive...what modules would i need in an initrd for that to work....or is that not the problem even [14:12] alright thanks for the heads up :) [14:13] can i just recompile the default kernel with PCI_MSI enabled? [14:13] and would that boot just like the default one with all the modules included in it so i wouldnt have to use initrd [14:14] SM177Y: That might be the simple way. [14:14] u removed huge kernel? [14:14] because at this point my initrd is so big that im better off just compiling the huge kernel haha [14:14] no dint remove [14:15] i still have a lilo option to boot using the original huge kernel. thats how im even online right now [14:15] forgotten (n=me@ip68-10-171-194.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:15] forgotten (n=me@ip68-10-171-194.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] my initrd is 405mb [14:15] i always leave that for backup until my new kernel is ready [14:15] OMG [14:16] thats insane lol how many lines of dots do u have when you boot that shit? HAHA [14:16] mines 17Mb and its like 7 lines lol [14:16] lol 3 ;) [14:16] not using lilo :p [14:16] aah [14:16] grub? [14:16] yep [14:17] Action: lf4 loves grub [14:17] Action: compl3x hates it - [14:17] "well, why don't you marry it, then?" --pee wee herman [14:17] ya i liked grub for its simplicity and not having to rewrite it into mbr every time u change it but i like lilo's stablility [14:17] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.73.162) joined ##slackware. [14:17] lol wow pee wee herman thats so old what ever happened to him? [14:17] if i was in the wh40k universe, i would want to be a space marine [14:18] 405MB... [14:18] any one here ever get the GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB error :P [14:18] SM177Y: Nope [14:18] he got caught wankin' it in public [14:18] lol [14:18] is that the same as the lilo 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 error? [14:18] well grub does that and lilo does 9 9 9 9 9 [14:18] he was in a movie after than, i think [14:18] ya lol [14:18] :P [14:18] *that [14:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] I've never gotten the Grub*x error and I've only used grub since 2002. [14:19] Billy_Idol: haha [14:19] grub sucks [14:19] :D must build a system to try and get just that error now :D [14:19] spook: QFT [14:19] lol [14:19] its lame [14:20] just a ton of GRUB all down ur screen. but like spook said lilo's is the continuous 99 99 99 [14:20] why do you find grub sucks ? [14:20] what does grub suck btw? [14:20] to what race would you want to belong to in the warhammer 40k universe? [14:20] I hate the way once ive installed it on a hardrive i can never seem to remove it :p [14:21] but I do prefer not having to write to the mbr everytime =] [14:21] i just prefer lilo because ive had far many less problems with it that grub in my own personal experiences [14:21] ttyX: what does grub suck? it sucks BALLS [14:21] SM177Y, same here [14:21] compl3x: second to that [14:22] thats why I like that we have choices LILO or GRUB :) pick whats best for you just like any computer or OS. :) [14:22] but at the same time i kinda like writing to the mbr...just seems more...solid to me [14:22] lf4: ya fer sure :P [14:22] SM177Y, yeah fair point [14:23] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] and its much easier to rewrite the mbr if it does fk up [14:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] easily boot a slack disc using the kernel on the disc into ur linux system, fix ur lilo.conf and rewrite it. problem solved in 2 seconds [14:24] UnoriginalNick (n=Administ@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [14:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:24] what i like about lilo is it does not rewrite the mbr unless you have all your ducks (penguins) all in a row [14:24] haha [14:24] Pig_Pen: well said [14:25] xD [14:25] Pig_Pen: That is true its double protection :) [14:25] and will tell you if something is wrong, so you can fix it before the big reboot [14:25] Action: compl3x isn't liking tuz..scares me [14:25] Pig_Pen: or Tasmanian Devils in case of the 2.6.29 series ;) [14:25] Nick change: Billy_Idol -> antler [14:25] tuz is cool [14:25] yeah, Linux ok 2.6.29.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat May 9 08:48:46 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [14:26] my initrd is 1mb lol [14:26] I was talkin bout the tree [14:26] haha [14:26] ya thats why i said OMG [14:26] Linux inf 2.6.29.2-smp #2 SMP Mon Apr 27 15:58:05 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [= [14:26] lol [14:26] 928kb [14:26] Pig_Pen: peen fight [14:26] Pig_Pen: Linux Requiem 2.6.28.7 #1 SMP Sun Feb 22 15:38:30 CST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [14:27] i have a q9450, so you can all stfu [14:27] drijen: same cpu [= [14:27] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] spook: fail. [14:27] Nick change: superGear -> Hakudoshi [14:27] its running at 4ghz [14:27] monstro (i=1000@189.111.20.134) joined ##slackware. [14:27] drijen, what mobo you running [14:27] bc with my 17mb lilo even warned me that it was too big to fit in the 15-16mb space after the kernel and it would be loaded in the first part of memory and assumed my comp supported that haha [14:27] spook: PII 955 beats the crap out of it [14:27] which it did but yea [14:27] compl3x: uhhhhhhhhhh [14:28] compl3x: some abit board [14:28] ah right [14:28] compl3x: abit IX38 [14:28] ah right [14:28] right before they went kaput [14:28] i was running at 3.8ghz but bailed when converting a dvd XD [14:28] i have a phenom II 940 in my desktop :) [14:28] epiclaly [14:28] AMD is gonna release new quads with 45W TDP :p [14:28] i game too tho [14:29] Intel is way better than AMD :/ [14:29] for now [14:29] intel ftw -- *hides* [14:29] if u want to spend 500$ on a cpu yeah [14:29] AMD probably going to die eventually [14:29] lolz [14:29] AMD is great for a budget build [14:29] leaving us with only Intel and VIA [14:29] twolf: yup [14:29] Action: ttyX is an AMD fanboy and can't help it [14:29] not anymore, a wolfdale 2.5Ghjz is $70 [14:29] ttyX: same here xD [14:30] Intel is cheap for what you get [14:30] Hakudoshi, actually intel really really sucks feature-wise (64-bit virtualization for instance) [14:30] though they make crappylinux video drivers [14:30] i am vendor neutral [14:30] except asus. [14:30] i am asus mobo all the way XD [14:30] they suck sweaty hairy donkey balls [14:31] spook, in good or in bad ? [14:31] ok, bad... [14:31] well never had an asus server board [14:31] but atx gaming boards hell yeah [14:31] asus server stuff is quite good [14:31] is Tyan still in business? [14:31] so are their netbooks [14:31] MSI for me [14:31] spook: yes [14:31] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [14:31] their consumer boards are possibly the worse in existance [14:31] especially the bios [14:31] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.73.162) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:31] drijen i meant [14:31] lol [14:32] lol I dont even have an initrd.gz file it seems. [14:32] Action: Camarade_Tux likes his asus laptop [14:32] ASUS boards are nice [14:32] lf4: ur doomed [14:32] lf4: are you using default kernel? [14:32] Yeah :D haha [14:32] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:32] thats y :P [14:32] huge? [14:32] Hakudoshi: most likely :P [14:32] I know ;) [14:32] don't need intrid with huge i don't think [14:33] no you don't. [14:33] nope its not needed [14:33] huge isnt recommended either [14:33] generic is what Pat recommends [14:33] ever flashed an asus consumer board bios? [14:33] Action: drijen hates initrd [14:33] Hakudoshi: ok how do i get my make to compile the huge kernel? i just want to change an option in the config and recompile it [14:33] spook: yep, gravy [14:34] ttyX: I'm going to build my own kernel some time in the near future which is why I just stuck with huge right now. [14:34] spook: I've flashed my boards before. [14:34] lf4: Alien's wiki is a must read in that case [14:34] SM177Y: do it about 10 times in a row. [14:34] it will fail at least 7 times [14:34] spook: already have :P i have dual bios :P [14:34] ttyX: I'll check it out :) thanks. [14:35] SM177Y: they have 'dual' bios because its very horrible [14:35] spook: and i havent had one fail, i have asus flash utility in bios, i can use bios image off my HD :P [14:35] lol I've been lucky and it worked the first time each time I did it. [14:35] drijen (n=quassel@pool-71-96-1-8.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [14:35] i think spook just had a bad mobo :P [14:35] not just me [14:35] ive had the same shit happen with MSI [14:35] corebot should be standard on all boards [14:35] but i do like msi [14:36] *coreboot [14:36] this is every asus board myself or anyone i've talked to (until now) [14:36] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [14:36] anyone has gnome-autogen installed ? [14:36] ttyX: yeah...now that it exists lol [14:36] SM177Y: no lots of people I've read have issues with ASUS BIOS flashing I just have been lucky I guess. [14:36] the dual bios is really just a single bios chip split in two [14:36] the bios is just badly made [14:36] dual bios sux [14:36] why have two when u cant handle oneproperly [14:37] ttyX: I agree. :) [14:37] and they use low quality flash memory. [14:37] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] Unless your moding you xbox and want different BIOS ;) [14:37] i dont know ive ran asus boards for years...never had flashing issues..maybe i was just lucky with all...20 or so motherboards...i dont know [14:37] you shouldnt need to flash the bios, nor should you. [14:37] abit motherboards-- [14:37] but when you do, it fails hard. [14:37] mainbords, fwiw [14:38] MSI never died on me ASUS did :p [14:38] if a new cpu comes out that requires a new bios to support it then yes you should :P [14:38] I never upgrade systems in parts like the CPU I built it and then when I wanted a new CPU I would build a new system. [14:39] So flashing was limited to maybe 3-4 times in the past 9 years. [14:39] lf4: same here [14:39] i bought a MSI k9a2 platinum and it was shit, returned it for a m4a79 deluxe and not one hiccup [14:39] lf4 & ttyX: that can be expensive tho [14:40] yes but its what I prefer [14:40] unless you wait till your machine is a pos compared to the newest standards and then upgrade, then its decent because you notice such a huge difference [14:40] me too [14:40] although ur left in the dust for a while too :P [14:40] SM177Y: about every 2-4 years depending on how updated the system was when I first built it. [14:40] SM177Y: what's the use of a prtial upgrade your PC would curse you for that :p [14:41] lf4: what things do u upgrade without a new built?? [14:41] I have 4 desktops and 1 laptop with in 4 feet of me right now lol [14:41] i would hope at least ram :P [14:41] build** [14:41] SM177Y: HDD, Graphics(if I require it) and Optical Drive maybe add RAM. [14:42] so basically everything but cpu/mobo [14:42] because more ram and a bigger graphics card and more hdd's could require a bigger psu :P [14:43] Sorta... Mainly its just HDD I did one Graphic card upgrade thats was just recent because I was sick of the onboard ATI and got an Nvidia. [14:43] what card [14:43] SM177Y: Nope I never had issues with PSU's [14:43] Action: ttyX hates nvidia but hates ati linux drivers even more [14:43] 9500 GT [14:43] BFG [14:43] they die on me all the time [14:43] mem? [14:43] no, PSU's [14:44] no i was asking lf4 mem size on the 9500 [14:44] thumbs: should get BFG they have lifetime on them. :) [14:44] I'll most probbaly go for 4770 soon [14:44] Oh [14:44] 1GB [14:44] nice [14:44] lf4: I get mid-range stuff [14:44] gddr3? [14:44] *probably [14:44] thumbs: me to [14:44] i have 64 million GB of memory [14:44] lolz [14:44] and 32 of ram [14:44] 4890 is way too out of budget [14:44] Yeah its PICe2 16x [14:44] ya if ur gonna go nvidia ur foolish to not buy BFG [14:45] lol spook haha million GB? wow ;) [14:45] unless its just a ridiculous deal [14:45] millions of gb isnt gb is it [14:45] lf4: its ddr6 [14:45] it'll be tb or pb [14:45] its pb [14:45] roughly [14:45] million gb would prolly be ZB :P [14:45] no [14:46] gb, tb, pb [14:46] ya and 3 sets of 000 [14:46] lol ttyX no its more fun to say I have 480719056 bytes of HDD space who wants to say GB or TB? [14:46] xaviertoor_ (n=xavierto@189-015-66-249.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:46] right? [14:46] woah [14:46] thats how it goes with Os also [14:46] maybe not haha [14:46] tr_ (n=tr@adsl-68-94-7-42.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:46] gigabloat,terabloat,petabloat [14:46] that would be trillion haha [14:47] :p [14:47] after thats its yt i think [14:47] yep [14:47] ya [14:47] I want to be the first to have a 1yt system ;) [14:47] then zt [14:47] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-83.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:47] hey DeeeeP [14:47] i just want a 1 zetabyte HD and ill be set for life :P [14:47] hi lf4 [14:47] untill it dies... :( [14:47] haha [14:47] zetabyte aint enough [14:47] Hakudoshi (i=supergea@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [14:47] SM177Y: lol [14:47] i'm rather 1000 x 1 yettabyte HDs [14:48] spook you wouldnt even know what to do with that kind of space [14:48] lol [14:48] yes i would [14:48] SM177Y: data collection like Google? [14:48] seriously even if you downloaded like the entire internet ud still have like 70% free space ahaha [14:48] why not just get a Googolplex? [14:48] use about 64 of them in mdadm raid 10 [14:49] and have a bunch of sets of 64 around the globe [14:49] I'd prefer a 100ghz proccy over some zbs of hdd [14:50] ttyX: touche xD [14:50] ttyX: think of trying to do a updatedb on a few zb drives lol with the processors we have now ;) [14:50] fonally after three failed burns and subsiquent failed installations I am well on my way to having a operable Slackware instaallation [14:50] i'd rather a 100 core cpu over a 100ghz cpu [14:50] nah 100 cores is overkill [14:50] ttyX: every process has a core [14:51] I think they were developing a 64core system I cant remember who it was though... [14:51] lf4: at that point i honestly dont think the cpu would be the bottle neck....we'd need a faster HD interface [14:51] well cpu too [14:51] lol true [14:51] lf4: 1thz cpu will come for sure [14:51] Tilera thats it.. they are trying to develop the 64core CPU [14:51] but even sata raided on like 100 drives lol thats nothing compared to that kind of space [14:51] guys at MIT are workin on it [14:52] http://www.tilera.com/ [14:52] i already have indepth ideas/some plans on a hex based computer [14:52] more ideologies [14:52] but in theory they should all work [14:52] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:53] http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=3077776 [14:53] they need to improve compilers first imho [14:53] we are stuck in the stone age with 1's and 0's [14:53] we need more possible signals [14:53] Someone was also talking about useing holograms for data storage for more data in a small area. [14:53] imagine 16 possible signales [14:54] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-144-112-117.range86-144.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] My instaalation only took three cds [14:54] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.117.70) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:54] Cryptic_Donkey: should've used DVD then [14:54] a single core could process as much information as 2 quad cores with 16 signals [14:55] consumer cpus are bad at number crunching [14:55] not exactly, things would be much more complex [14:55] (answering to SM177Y ) [14:55] k [14:55] lol darn it [14:55] instead of just on or off....why cant we have (for example) on and off at 1.1v, on and off at 1.2v, on and off at 1.3v, etc [14:55] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [14:56] chips can already recognize voltages [14:56] ttyX: The Dvd reader on my Dell Dimension 4600c is only capable of reading single layer dvd and i have a whole stack of daul layer DVDs [14:56] first, 1.1V and 1.2V are too close [14:56] then, much harder [14:56] why cant we make them to interpret the different voltages as different signals [14:56] i know they are close it was just an example [14:56] you'd run on 16V ? :p [14:57] the unit remains the transistor and I know no transistor which does 16 levels, or even 8, or even 4 actually [14:57] (just as an example) off at 1.1v=0, on at 1.1v=1, off at 1.2v=2, on at 1.3v=3, etc [14:58] ok well screw voltages then [14:58] fiberoptics [14:58] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [14:58] 1ms of light=0 2ms of light=1 3ms of light=2 4ms of light=3, etc [14:59] just an example of course [14:59] a tranistor works a bit like a diode (it's actually like two diodes) : a diode is on or off, it lets the current go or it doesn't, and when it does, the "ideal" model is that the voltage doesn't vary (iirc) [14:59] s/vary/change/ [14:59] lf4: its was GE they claim 500gb holographics storage [14:59] holographic* [14:59] then, light, I don't know, I can't think much tonight [14:59] Blu-Ray would be history [14:59] :p [14:59] Camarage_Tux: then you agree, possibly possible? [15:00] :) [15:00] Camarade** sry [15:00] purist (n=infiiini@ppp121-44-125-251.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) left irc: [15:01] SM177Y, well, I don't know how a system using light would work [15:01] the only problem with fiberoptics right now is our inability to make them as small as we can with metal [15:01] (not that I think it wouldn't, I just don't know) [15:01] I'm doubtful that the performance gain you'd get in any system by increasing the number of states would be linear. It would remain to be seen if it was worth doing or whether the added complexity would nullify improvement. [15:02] only limitation to fiber bandwidth is multiplexing [15:02] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [15:02] AlexElliott: can you elaborate a little more? [15:02] comp_ (n=comp_@89.137.6.138) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Adding more complexity to a system can improve things, but depending on the use cases it can reduce performance. The more extra features there are, the slower it typically gets at performing each task [15:04] the way i see it...pass the number 15...first in binary 1111...thats four bits....then in hex....F...one bit...four times less data to be sent.. [15:04] But you can sometimes get a more efficient path with the more complex actions [15:04] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] 400% speed improvement [15:05] but the larger the numbers get the more speed ur gonna gain [15:05] But you need more complexity to interpret those extra states [15:05] 400% penis size improvement [15:05] lol [15:05] yes [15:06] i wish i had a bigger epenis [15:06] i just cant afford that kind of hardware [15:06] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-64-161.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:06] but if it were fiberoptics.....data's movin so fast...speed of light to be exact :P i dont think it would matter. i think the speed of the more available states would much overcome the complexity [15:07] only the laser is speed of light [15:07] the circuitry at either end isnt. [15:07] lol light is speed of light [15:07] light=light [15:07] woah [15:08] ya but your not getting my full picture here [15:08] Yes, but the speed of light does vary in different mediums, it won't be going at the speed of light in a vacuum [15:08] the circuitry would be light... [15:08] Anyways, that's still speculation [15:09] NO SOUP FOR YOU [15:09] replace integrated circuits with fiber optics, even though currently larger...the speed gain is substantial at that point [15:09] anyways whats with this new standard [15:09] powerband [15:09] infiniband? [15:10] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:11] xaviertoor__ (n=xavierto@189-015-156-148.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:13] would the speed of light slow down when going through water? or even a thicker liquid? [15:14] What the heck? I can't ping localhost [15:14] What would be the reason? [15:14] rato (n=marcus@189.25.131.29) joined ##slackware. [15:14] which groups does a user have to be in in order to access the dE? [15:14] Pig_Pen: thats how light works yes [15:14] hi ! i need to install ktrace on slackware [15:14] slower in a denser medium [15:14] how do i it ?! [15:15] redtricycle: localhost is YOU! [15:15] yeah, I know [15:15] I should be able to ping it [15:15] redtricycle: can you ping 255.0.0.0 [15:15] spook: nope [15:15] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] ifconfig eth1... [15:15] can't ping that IP either [15:15] but I can ping like...google.com [15:15] o_o [15:15] weird. [15:15] what about 69.69.69.69? [15:15] pesartain (n=pesartai@79-72-92-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] No, I can't pin that either [15:15] omfg spook, you are so funny [15:15] ?? [15:16] Heya, folks... How's everyone? [15:16] -_- [15:16] *sigh* [15:16] hi MLanden [15:16] what about 1.1.1.1 [15:16] heya,twolf [15:16] The reason I ask [15:16] is because I can't connect to my localhost apache anymore [15:16] I checked my hosts [15:16] redtricycle: can you ping 68-125-161-157 [15:16] and localhost points to 127.0.0.1 [15:16] time=58.4 ms my ISO [15:16] ISP [15:17] run /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd status [15:17] spook: no option [15:17] oh then like [15:17] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:17] ps -ef | grep http [15:17] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] time=0.022 ms to myself [15:18] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] yes, I can ping my own IP [15:18] 68.125.161.157 [15:18] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.117.70) joined ##slackware. [15:18] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-156-101.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:18] spook: I have 5 instances of httpd -k start [15:18] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.73.162) joined ##slackware. [15:18] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.117.70) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:19] have you tried turning it off and on again? [15:19] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [15:19] is it definately turned on? [15:19] have you applied a sledgehammer? [15:20] I'll turn it off and on again...sure [15:20] but that doesn't explain why I can't ping localhost [15:20] Nick change: nooper_ -> nooper [15:20] That's just why I can't connect to localhost port 80 [15:20] google will advertise chrome on TV wtf lol [15:20] ttyX: huh?!? [15:20] good [15:21] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/09/1320209&from=rss [15:21] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[15:23] xaviertoor_ (n=xavierto@189-015-66-249.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:23] Firefox will get multi-process support ;) [15:23] been on the wishlist for a while [15:23] along with "less suckiness" [15:24] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] spook: hopefully next gecko willfix memeory issues [15:24] memory* [15:24] and /me is currently working again on his own browser ;p [15:24] xaviertoor__ (n=xavierto@189-015-156-148.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:24] seamonkey works fine whereas firefox sucks. [15:24] goodluck with that Camarade_Tux [15:25] its based on webkit I assume [15:25] ttyX, if you rely on webkit-gtk it's actually quite easy :) [15:25] gtk needs to die. [15:25] fucking txz (((( [15:25] gtk is sometimes annoying but qt is not always better [15:25] txz ownz [15:25] needs to be unified. [15:26] qt4 is way better [15:26] Cryptic_Bat (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] does anybody now any package manager with txz+dependence support? [15:26] tgz? [15:26] Starchaser: nope [15:26] Camarade_Tux: I agree in all parts but the "sometimes" ;) [15:26] Zenwalk hasn't updated I guess [15:26] pprkut, right ;p [15:27] Yippe I new ditributio to explore [15:27] slackware isnt new [15:27] I'll give next Fedora a shot [15:27] ttyX: agrhhh... why does no any notice before it? [15:27] (sorry for my english) [15:27] hopefully no kernel panics [15:28] Starchaser: because no one cares [15:28] Starchaser, no problem, it's because of the shock -_- [15:28] Starchaser: whats the prob [15:28] spook: I meant i new distribution for me to learn\ [15:28] its not new [15:28] ttyX: i'm slackfind.net owner, search is broken for now ) [15:28] its the opposite [15:28] spook: I meant zn old distribution for me to learn\ [15:29] its the oldest of the currently active distros [15:29] spook: I meant an old distribution for me to learn\ [15:29] older than debian by at least a year [15:29] ooh that sux [15:29] Slack is the oldest [15:29] isnt it? [15:30] oldest _maintained_ [15:30] spook: So your telling me tghe salckwware has been around sense the early nintes? [15:30] Starchaser, looks ok [15:30] Cryptic_Bat: ... [15:30] Cryptic_Bat: yes. [15:30] 1993 [15:30] Camarade_Tux: yes, but i need to rewrite alot of code ))) [15:30] Just a little bit before Debian :p [15:30] And we'll never let them forget it [15:30] Cryptic_Bat: 1.0 July 16, 1993 <- release date of Slackware 1.0 [15:30] yeah, we fsck'ed debian by about six months :) [15:31] spook: What is the realses cycle like with slackware [15:31] release cycle, what's this ? [15:31] earliest date of debian is announcing debian, not actually a release [15:31] suse is based on slack [15:31] Camarade_Tux: good question...:D [15:31] spook, but that has always been like that : slackware does and then debian announces it will do [15:32] Cryptic_Bat: Patrick seems tro try and release around once every 7 months, may be longer. it usually is released "When it's ready" [15:32] suse is the bastard child of slack [15:32] suse started as a german translation of slack [15:33] gotcha BP{k} [15:33] wth [15:33] Camarade_Tux: still no asnwer to why slackpkg wants to install the txt package lol [15:33] dont mention suse in the same sentence. [15:33] ttyX, lol ;p [15:33] Cryptic_Bat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware <-- has a list of what version what released when. [15:34] what would the world do without wikipedia? [15:34] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:35] they would read slightly better referenced media reports [15:35] true [15:35] suse started as a german translation of slack // suse is dead bastard child of slackware because it uses rpm ) [15:35] the media uses wikipedia as a primary reference [15:35] rpm sux [15:35] dont forget twitter [15:35] Starchaser: suse started as a german translation of slack. [15:35] so does deb [15:36] twitter is the bastard child of myspace? [15:36] you're the bastard child of your mum [15:36] RitualMast3r (n=maddoc@62.221.144.229) joined ##slackware. [15:36] hi all! ;) [15:36] suse-- ;P [15:36] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-101-72.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:36] time to shoot orkz in my dreams [15:37] how can i configure X to use 3 buttons mouse :P [15:37] thanks for reminding spook [15:37] RitualMast3r: xorgconfig [15:37] spook, be sure to only shoot the german translations of orkz [15:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] ttyX i'm using xorg.conf generated by nvidia-xconfig [15:37] :P [15:38] spook orkz are nice :P [15:38] RitualMast3r: set mouse protocolto auto in xorg.conf [15:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:38] see if it works [15:41] i think it looks like loss major slackware feature (((( [15:41] very sad [15:41] JaxjX (n=gts@189.41.59.184) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:41] whats sad [15:41] txz [15:42] its gr8 imo [15:42] better compression [15:42] txz? [15:42] worse package building and debug [15:43] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176073059.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:43] ? [15:43] Starchaser: don't forget tgz is still suported [15:43] supported* [15:43] read the changelog [15:43] Starchaser: it's a compression format. what's it got to do with debug? [15:44] lzma is the algorithm it uses which happens to be the best at what it does [15:45] RitualMast3r (n=maddoc@62.221.144.229) left irc: "See you...in H33L!" [15:45] gzip is everywhere, it is a standard [15:46] I was able to cut down extra 50megs on openoffice package [15:46] Starchaser: so is xz. More and more oss projects switch to it [15:47] I saw the size of updates going down by almost 50% [15:47] so its all good [15:48] yes it is fine [15:48] but why no one notice?) [15:48] its there [15:48] changelog [15:48] a lot of package tools is broken ) [15:48] actually the linux kernel now uses xz (well, lzma currently but that should change) [15:49] Starchaser: pkgtool works fine. That is all that matters. [15:49] well, it's *-current* [15:49] http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [15:49] you mean the new rpm2tgz thingy? [15:50] no broken packages here except that txt joke that slackpkg is playing on me since morning [15:50] "drink more coffee?" [15:50] please do tell [15:51] Action: ttyX is feeling sleepy [15:52] what's new about rpm2tgz ? [15:52] .txt extension? [15:52] lol [15:52] copes with shiny new suse rpms [15:53] hmmm, don't know but if it can't right now, it should be too hard to fix that [15:54] it isnt. [15:55] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@89.123.123.16) joined ##slackware. [15:55] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:55] am sleepy goodnight all [15:55] night ttyX [15:55] xaviertoor_ (n=xavierto@189-015-169-136.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:56] https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/private/slackware/2009-January/002998.html [15:56] peacenik (n=cypherpu@142-217-82-152.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:56] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [15:56] you need to be subscibed to access the archive, tho [15:56] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [15:56] afternoon,firebird619...I'm fine. How're you? [15:56] Will someone suggest some better search terms than 'convert raidtools mirror to mdadm' ? I'm swimming in hits that don't talk about how to move the raidtab info onto the raid devices. [15:57] the archives are private, well, I'll just read my mails >< [15:57] Hey MLanden, doing great, thanks. [15:57] peacenik (n=cypherpu@142-217-82-152.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] firebird619: Good to hear [15:57] Camarade_Tux, well, read the current log and thats it. the ml just states the origin of the package in -current [15:57] btw for people who want a tgz2txz script: http://buhkit.net/~michiel/slackware/tgz2txz [15:58] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Hey BP{k}. How are you? [15:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [15:58] txz is overrated. storage is cheap. [15:59] 500 gig satas are everywhere [15:59] schneiderr, according to that, you would only have to reduild rpm2tgz [15:59] rpm rather [15:59] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-12.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] schneiderr, bandwith isn't very cheap actually [16:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:01] Camarade_Tux, i disagree on the subject as a whole (which is switching standard package formats for the sake of saving some cpl of megs per package). more hassle than anything else. [16:01] BP{k}, lol, the licence of this tgz2txz is longer than the rest of the script ;p [16:01] Camarade_Tux: that can be fixed ;) [16:02] schneiderr, 1GB per disk a and a thousand disk download is 1TB in bandwith (and it should save more than 1GB and there will be much more than a thousand disk downloads) [16:02] Camarade_Tux, you dont get me. im talking strictly end-user stuff. [16:02] xaviertoor (n=xavierto@189-015-156-101.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:03] schneiderr, >30% faster downloads, faster installations from CD [16:04] and you cant check new packages with old slack installs. not so neat ;P [16:05] you can get xz :) [16:05] or you can do it in perl ;P (and i catch your drift) [16:05] mxml6563 (n=mxml6563@76.73.134.228) joined ##slackware. [16:06] why would you do that ? that's madness ! [16:06] is there a way to open a program in linux from one dir and make it think that workinng dir is another dir? [16:06] you dont catch my drift. i was joking [16:06] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [16:06] pizzledizzle, isn't that equivalent to directly opening it from another dir ? [16:06] Action: schneiderr nods [16:06] schneiderr, hey :p [16:07] Action: Camarade_Tux is getting tired ;) [16:07] really, i hear you, and i agree in the long run - things will just adapt themselves. [16:07] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@89.123.123.16) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] like .gz and .bz2 these days ...... both common. eventually there'll be .xz stuff too [16:09] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.255) joined ##slackware. [16:10] <_RadioHead> evening [16:10] Hi _RadioHead. How are you? [16:10] <_RadioHead> hey firebird619 , i am fine , how are you? [16:10] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] I'm doing great, thanks. [16:10] <_RadioHead> firebird619- i upgrade -current :) and enjoy gnome :) [16:11] which gnome did you install? [16:11] <_RadioHead> 2.24.3 from gnomeslackbuilds [16:11] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:13] mxml6563 (n=mxml6563@76.73.134.228) left irc: [16:15] poofo (i=poof@195.226.161.149) joined ##slackware. [16:15] hi [16:15] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/a/ [16:15] why all these packages have .txz instead of .tgz ? [16:16] poofo, see the ChangeLog ;) [16:16] ok [16:16] :) [16:17] we could even put a notice about the move in the /topic ;p [16:18] Camarade_Tux: good idea [16:19] thanks to me [16:19] and maybe make slackboy react to "why.*xz.*" :p [16:19] :) [16:19] :) [16:19] ;P [16:20] so slapt-get is now useless for $slacware-current ;D [16:20] it tries to download .txz.tgz :p [16:20] maybe pat is wanting to get slackware back down to two CDrom disks could be the txl (if it compresses the files down to a smaller package) [16:20] :D [16:21] get (n=getf@unaffiliated/get) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:21] get (n=getf@unaffiliated/get) joined ##slackware. [16:21] i would like 1cd installer and then rest fetch from net [16:21] :) [16:22] like debian's netinst CD, it is a good idea [16:23] the whole txz thing is sooo ironic [16:24] it is? [16:25] superGear (i=1000@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] maybe txz is for slackers that live in texas [16:25] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.255) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] ;D [16:25] lol [16:25] thank god i'm not in that hell hole of a state [16:26] quite independent state, please [16:26] Give Texas back to Mexico [16:26] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:26] and florida to cuba [16:26] naw [16:26] give the whole damn country back to the indians :D [16:26] just southern Florida [16:27] India has never owned the USA [16:27] ;P [16:27] native american indians, you know, the indians that wear feathers, not the ones with a dot [16:28] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: [16:28] Indians are from India! [16:28] Nick change: hd -> HellDragon [16:28] Columbus named them wrong or smthin [16:28] redskins [16:28] also called [16:28] xD [16:29] that's racist tho [16:29] columbus was biased. end of story. [16:31] everyone is biased in favor of their own kindred race thats just a natural survival instict [16:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl2-124.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] no shiit ;P [16:32] so why didnt columbus stick with ships then ;P [16:33] he was looking for a shortcut to india, but another continent that nobody in the EU was aware of was in the way [16:34] the EU didnt exist back then. thank allah [16:34] hi schneiderr [16:34] EU = europe [16:34] i hear you [16:35] _ohm (n=mark@pool-71-99-30-84.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] If they had asked the viking they would have known! [16:36] true [16:36] yup, the vikings bumped in to newfoundland about 400 years before columbis [16:36] vikings even would have stopped invading england for sake of hitting the jackpot [16:37] some beleive they even explored further than that in to the north american continent [16:37] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [16:37] may have [16:37] mayhem ;P [16:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] superGear (i=1000@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:39] it's likely vikings didn't do the journey back however [16:39] superGear (i=1000@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:39] dngr (n=dngr@n112118148128.netvigator.com) left irc: "disconnecting from stoned server." [16:39] how to get the laptop special keys (volume up/down) working ? [16:40] xmodmap somethingsomething [16:40] dngr (n=dngr@n112118148128.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] also check logs / acpi stuff [16:42] Pig_Pen, xmodmap is used to assign keyboard shortcuts? [16:42] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] i am fairly certain [16:44] if you are using kde it might be easy, kde-3.5.10 has a tool in the control center (kcontrol) that maps keys [16:44] Camarade_Tux: true,was a one way trip because of limits on resources [16:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:45] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Pig_Pen, well the kde tool doesn't detect my Fn key [16:45] but xev does [16:45] MLanden, or they found some drugs and decided to stay >< [16:45] thats no fun [16:45] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "leaving" [16:46] Camarade_Tux: lol....never know ;) [16:46] regional & accesability > keyboard shortcuts [16:47] Pig_Pen, is tthat kde3 ? [16:47] right next to the panel "Nuke Site From Orbit" ..... cant miss it [16:47] ya [16:47] it might show it, and the reason it is not working is because it was never mapped to any function [16:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:48] too bad i'm on kde4 [16:48] the tool for that doesn't see may Fn key [16:53] darn it all! the local NPR radio station is screwing up, i first thought my radio was messing up so i changed stations - nope radio works fine [16:54] Pig_Pen: anything good on? [16:54] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:54] paissad (n=paissad@224.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] yeah, i saturdays and sundays they play good music and no advertising [16:55] Oklahoma Public? [16:56] yeah, the local college has a low power transmitter that covers the county, low power transmitters are usually cheap little things you can buy online [16:57] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@69.79.73.162) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:57] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] cool,i'll check out their streams [16:57] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:57] i guess i can do that [16:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [16:58] http://www.npr.org/ [16:58] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "going to a play" [16:58] zmyrgel (n=user@80.221.6.179) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [16:58] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [17:00] stunix (n=stunix@cm-84.209.3.196.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [17:02] dngr- (n=dngr@n112118148128.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] dang, the streaming content is not the same as what the current radio station plays [17:05] Pig_Pen: Which station? [17:05] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.78.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:05] the radio station is prolly just lagging [17:05] net delay [17:06] lol, by hours and hours [17:07] they announced the war on terror days after my mother in law started it. [17:07] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-148.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:09] i sure wish wpa_supplicant would get a HUGE update by a group of wireless manufacturers so i can use it with wpa2 then FreeBSD would work online [17:10] stunix__ (n=stunix@cm-84.209.3.196.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:10] wireless-tools is not compatible with bsd, i guess it is just a linux app [17:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Pig_Pen: not even with "linux emulation"? [17:15] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:16] t_ (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [17:16] have not tried it that way [17:17] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html this is their website it is included in slackware [17:17] firebird619: holding shift didn't work [17:17] Nick change: t_ -> t [17:17] firebird619: a toshiba / phoenix came up negative for a bios password [17:18] dngr (n=dngr@n112118148128.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] take the cmos battery out [17:19] thumbs: ah that sucks. I'll keep searching and see if I find anything else. [17:19] superGear: none. It's a Toshiba. [17:19] thumbs: You held the left shift key? [17:19] yeah [17:19] try the right one maybe? [17:20] I did, but I'll try again [17:20] maybe both at the same time. :P [17:21] http://www.laptop-repair.info/toshiba_bios_password.html [17:21] nope. [17:21] superGear: nope [17:21] superGear: he tried that already. [17:21] sorry [17:21] Action: superGear shuts up [17:22] thumbs: If you needed the security chip, it's about $39.50 on one site anyway. :P [17:22] I would think there's an easier way around it, I'll keep searching. [17:22] where did you steal it from?!? ;P [17:22] j/k [17:22] from your mamma [17:22] superGear: not stolen. [17:22] my momma? [17:23] never knew the dead had PCs [17:23] lol, it's 2009, sure they do. :P [17:23] stupid f*** [17:23] superGear: the model is too recent, those don't work anymore [17:24] ok sorry i will not bother trying to help or anything [17:24] Action: superGear walks away [17:24] come back! we need more trolls in here [17:25] thumbs: I'm trying to hunt down the manual to see some more specs with it, and just double check that it is Phoenix. [17:25] firebird619: I don't think it makes much of a difference, tho. [17:25] found it. :) [17:26] I'm not a troll or trolling so wtf is your problem with me Pig_Pen ? [17:26] take care,folks....bbiab [17:26] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [17:26] hba (n=hba@189.188.139.5) joined ##slackware. [17:26] thumbs: Well, I'm looking anyway. :) [17:26] ok [17:26] chill out dude, drink a beer, maybe guzzle three or four beers [17:27] i don't drink..... [17:27] thumbs: found the manual. :) [17:27] nows a good time to start [17:27] no it isn't [17:27] as beer is nasty to me [17:28] merp (n=merp@75.sub-70-192-1.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [17:28] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:29] then do whatever voodoo that you do so well [17:30] is uhm [17:30] google down for you guys too? [17:30] thumbs: Hmm, this manual isn't the full user manual I don't think, it's only 12 pages. [17:30] hey dartmouth, how's it going? [17:30] firebird619: heh, then no. [17:30] dartmouth, nope [17:30] firebird619: pretty good [17:30] ok [17:30] thumbs: My search continues. I'll figure this thing out. :) [17:30] it's storming up here i bet there's a DNS issue with time warner (AGAIN) [17:31] dartmouth: I'm just on google, it's working fine here. [17:31] great [17:31] nope, google is as speedy as ever [17:32] im trying to look up how to grep with a pipe where it prints lines that match two params not just one....like `cat file | grep "poo" && "foo"` [17:32] Pig_Pen: thanks to them not adding flash and all that other fancy-pants stuff. :) [17:32] yup [17:32] you're not using gmail, are you ? ;p [17:33] or google docs, or ... [17:33] Camarade_Tux: I've used them, could be better, but could be worse also. [17:33] no, my ISP has a great email service and excellent spam filters [17:33] I was more refering to just the search though. [17:33] yeah, I know ;) [17:34] I use my ISP e-mail also. No spam whatsoever in the 2-3 years I've been with this provider. [17:34] actually I'm using gmail, but with ajax disabled [17:34] thanks to good spam filters. [17:34] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424419.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:34] I'm getting spammed much more now however [17:34] Camarade_Tux: Sometimes, when I am on gmail, I use the html version of it. Or, it load fairly well with elinks too. :P [17:35] ah yes, firebird619 doesnt read his mail ;P [17:36] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:36] i get lots of spam, it just ends up in the spam section where i delete it unopened, i dont even bother to read the subject lines = just click the "delete all" button [17:36] yeah im not seeing multiple pattern searches in graps manual [17:36] grep* [17:37] Pig_Pen: I don't get any in spam filters either. When I was on dial-up I sure got a lot though, but it was all put into the junk folder. [17:37] and quickly went to the trash. [17:39] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.253) joined ##slackware. [17:39] monstro (i=1000@189.111.20.134) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:40] The_Faithful (n=Mak@196.12.237.15) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:41] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:42] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:43] monstro (i=1000@187.10.69.60) joined ##slackware. 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[17:52] Hey _RadioHead [17:52] nathanbw: Congratulations [17:52] im assuming by degault the router address is almost always on most wifi networks going to be the gw [17:52] <_RadioHead> nathanbw- Congrats [17:52] but how is this determined? [17:52] nathanbw: Congrats and best of wishes..:D [17:52] (i was hoping dhclient would take care of all that...) [17:53] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:53] kevlinux (n=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Thanks firebird619 MLanden and _RadioHead :-D I'm going to do a wee bit of celebratory partying. Rock on, slackers! [17:55] nathanbw: Awesome [17:55] nathanbw: Have a good time celebrating. :) [17:56] <_RadioHead> nathanbw- go and have a fun :) [17:57] keep your box clean of opensuse ;P [17:57] <_RadioHead> schneiderr- keep clean or keep away:)? [17:57] yeah,concentrate on the other lizard...:D [17:57] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:58] what he said [17:58] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [17:59] thumbs: you still around? I was looking on Toshiba's site and it's not showing a 1900 for a model. Is there any more to the model then Satellite 1900? [18:00] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [18:01] firebird619: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-1900-series/4507-3121_7-20122219.html?tag=mncol;psum might be of some help [18:02] Thanks MLanden [18:02] firebird619: np [18:02] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:03] <_RadioHead> sleep time tomorrow people [18:03] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.253) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] yep, good night everybody :) [18:04] Max Altitude Operating 9840.0 ft what is this? so if somebody took this laptop to the ISS or on a hight mountain it wont work? (pikes Peak is 14 thousand feet) [18:05] haha, I guess. :) [18:05] hey, sleep works :) [18:05] that blows my idea of surfing porn while in outer space ;p [18:05] Night Camarade_Tux [18:05] that's at least one good thing with the nvidia drivers ;p [18:06] Pig_Pen: lol [18:07] Pig_Pen: look into the Panasonic Toughbook series laptops, maybe they can handle more. :P [18:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.199.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:08] i once drove to the top of pikes peak in colorado, the air is thin up there [18:09] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:09] i like those toughbooks, pretty big price tag on em too [18:09] hey yall [18:09] sounds like a challenge for Mythbusters [18:09] Oh no, it's compl3x. [18:09] Action: firebird619 hides [18:09] :P. Hey compl3x. How's it going? [18:09] heya,compl3x [18:10] Pig_Pen: you order your keyboard yet? :) [18:10] hey firebird619 - its going ;) yourself? [18:10] hey MLanden [18:10] compl3x: going great, thanks. [18:10] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-10-1.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [18:10] naw, i bought a cheap one at walmart for 11 bucks [18:10] Pig_Pen: that works too. I seen a decent logitech and Walmart the other day for $12.96 [18:10] the 200? [18:11] Pig_Pen: yup [18:11] thats the one i got [18:11] 200 keys wth [18:11] Pig_Pen: cool. [18:11] jk ;P [18:11] 104 key [18:11] cool [18:11] m__ (n=m@71.196.210.108) joined ##slackware. [18:12] i never actually counted the keys, i guess it is a 104 key [18:12] Pig_Pen: you like that keyboard so far then? [18:12] its ok, a little small but works good, like anything else i gotta get used to it [18:13] m__ (n=m@71.196.210.108) left irc: Client Quit [18:13] lets just see how long it lasts [18:13] Pig_Pen: Yeah, this keyboard I use has that comfort curve with the keys, that took a bit getting used to from a regular keyboard. [18:14] So you got it for $11, I wonder why it's more here. :P [18:14] superGear (i=1000@71-212-187-149.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:15] possibly tax, after tax there was not much left out of a 20 [18:15] Well, at least if that one doesn't last long, you didn't spend to much. [18:16] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:16] firebird619: true [18:17] superGear (i=supergea@71-218-133-52.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:17] I had looked at another one at Walmart that had the nice flat keys, that was $15, but I didn't get any. Gosh, I'm up to my ears in keyboards. :P [18:17] It's sort of that, yes I have a million at home already, but ah heck what's one more. :) [18:18] Action: compl3x only has 4 ]= [18:18] More a want then a need. I think if I were to get another keyboard, it'd be one with the lighted keys. [18:18] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:18] compl3x: Oh no, you gotta pick up the pace. :) [18:18] maybe the cheap way is better, what if i spend good money on a high dollar keyboard and it still wears out and/or the letters & numbers start wearing off [18:18] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Pig_Pen: yeah, sometimes it works out the cheaper ones are the more durable, long-lasting ones. [18:20] Pig_Pen: just get voice recognition setup, you won't need a keyboard at all. :P [18:20] get (n=getf@unaffiliated/get) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:20] I upgraded to last nights current - now I have no sound ... when I type alsamixer I get no mixer elems found.. [18:20] anyone go any info on this? :/ [18:20] compl3x: ouch. I'm on 12.2 so I'm of no help. [18:21] grrr need sound! [18:21] sorry. :) [18:21] no worries [= [18:21] what does aplay -l show, does it see your card? [18:22] yep [18:22] hrm [18:22] well, that's a good sign. :) [18:22] monstro (i=1000@187.10.69.60) left irc: Client Quit [18:22] alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [18:22] compl3x: try running alsaconf? [18:22] compl3x: What's your soundcard/chip? [18:22] already run alsaconf.. [18:22] card 1: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC1200 Analog [ALC1200 Analog] [18:22] compl3x: since you upgraded? [18:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] firebird619: Yeah but im not saying its the upgrade - my bets are on the modprobing i was doing to try get my capture card to work... [18:23] compl3x: have you tried restarting the pc? [18:23] firebird619: just turned it on.. [18:23] does lsmod show your sound card modules loaded? [18:24] what would i be expecting to see? [18:24] alsaconf [18:25] ran it.. [18:25] you ran it. and ignored rules that exist for the safety of you and your crew. [18:25] compl3x: well, for example my card with lsmod is: snd_emu10k1 [18:25] modprobe snd-pcm [18:25] maybe snd_nvidia. I'm really not sure. [18:26] snd_pcm [18:26] cheers guys ill give it a shot [18:26] compl3x: good luck [18:26] also snd-mixer-oss [18:27] MLanden: I found that Satellite 1900 on Toshiba's site now. :) [18:27] hmm no luck :/ [18:27] :( [18:27] sweet,firebird619 [18:28] gonna try a reboot [18:28] brb guys [18:28] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] MLanden: the model they use for it is a little off from what I thought it would be. :) [18:29] really,firebird619? [18:29] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:30] compl3x (n=compl3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Waay think its resolved [18:30] MLanden: Yeah, I would guess the model would be just 1900, instead, it's PS192C-00824, PS192-00UWN, etc. [18:30] compl3x: yay. [18:30] I took out my capture card... [18:31] rebooted [18:31] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:31] compl3x: Good to hear [18:31] compl3x: good thinkin. [18:31] Oh yus! it works [= [18:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:31] Action: compl3x can get back to watching the matrix tril ' :p [18:31] I got X windows system working [18:31] firebird619: Toshiba can be tricky like that [18:32] MLanden: I guess they can. :) Plus, it's on their Canadian site, but not USA site. Maybe this model was only sold in Canada. [18:32] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:32] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Is there and openofficeorg package for Slackware? And if so How woukd one istall it? [18:33] OUCH,that could explain it...congrats on finding the info,firebird619 [18:33] MLanden: thanks. :) [18:34] isn't oo bundled with slackware? [18:34] compl3x: openoffice? [18:34] no, you can get it at sbo though [18:34] no, it isn't. [18:34] hmm thought it was [18:35] rworkman also has packages for it. [18:35] thumbs: Ok, I found the *real* manual for it now, I'm searching now. :) [18:35] I might just give slackware a try on my laptop [18:35] I used the dreaded LP for mine haha - was desperate at the time [18:36] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:36] compl3x: you WHAT. :P [18:36] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [18:36] ;) [18:36] you're a bad, bad, slacker compl3x. shame on you. [18:36] you should be ashamed of yourself. [18:36] ]= [18:37] I keed, I keed. I joking with you. [18:37] but seriously, lp isn't the best place to get packages. [18:38] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:38] yeah I slack build nowadays [18:38] so much more easier [18:38] indeed it is. [18:38] Is there a way in which to perserve the file in my home partiton onm my laptop durring install most important is the list of saved wireless network passwords? [18:39] if /home is a separate disk partition just dont format it during install, just set the mount point [18:39] Cryptic_Bat: Do you have linux on the laptop right now? [18:39] couldn't you back them up? [18:39] If so, you can tell slackware not to delete your home partition [18:43] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-180-205-228.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:43] Cryptic_Bat, for openoffice you can rpm2tgz and installpkg (as I think the "official" setup fails due to some rpm dep. failure - freetype or smth) [18:44] or slackbuild http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/office/openoffice.org/ [18:44] no "or". The logical choice is the slackbuild. [18:44] yep [18:45] chopp: indeed it is. [18:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151100166.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:45] How are you chopp? [18:45] the more logical choice is "use ms office and windows" :) [18:46] hba:Ill pretend I didn't hear that [18:46] hba: that would be illogical. [18:46] Ok The insstalation is under way on the laptop [18:46] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:46] nice [= [18:46] swee [18:46] sweet [18:46] sweed [18:46] :p [18:46] firebird619: good, how's your day going? [18:46] haha [18:46] chopp: going very well, thank you. [18:47] compl3x: I didn't hear that comment, but unfortunately I read it. :P [18:47] haha [18:47] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.199.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] compl3x: I couldn't believe my eyes, so mistakably I read it a second time. :( [18:47] :p [18:47] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] Action: compl3x needs a coffee or tea or something [18:48] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) joined ##slackware. [18:48] I'm drinking a Coca Cola. :) [18:48] peacenik (n=cypherpu@142-217-82-152.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] eww [18:48] compl3x: you don't like coca cola? you like pop at all? [18:48] mmmmmmm cawfee [18:48] hey i_is_cat [18:48] Nick change: firebird619 -> i_is_dog [18:48] :) [18:48] what up [18:49] nmm [18:49] Nick change: compl3x -> i_is_catdog [18:49] haha [18:49] lolol [18:49] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:49] anyone remember that tv program? catdog [18:49] i_is_catdog: your what, a hybrid? [18:49] super hybrid [18:49] damned neighbours literally kept me up all night long i only got to sleep after the earlier convo [18:49] Nick change: i_is_catdog -> compl3x [18:49] and just woke up [18:49] What kernel version is slackware 12.2? [18:49] Nick change: i_is_dog -> firebird619 [18:49] 2.6.27.7 [18:50] now i've got to go see the new star trek movie [18:50] oh man that was a little trippy [18:50] :p [18:50] *sigh* responsibilities... [18:50] y0 antler. How goes it? [18:50] yo firebird619 :) excellent! how are you? [18:50] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:50] doing very wall, thank you. :) [18:50] well [18:50] :P [18:51] ugh, can't type. :) [18:51] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-163-98-23.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:51] Lookos like i might just have a Workiking Lslaware based laptop i n under two hours [18:51] :O [18:51] two hours, good grief how slow is this laptop? :) [18:51] yeah was just about to say :o [18:51] comp_ (n=comp_@89.137.6.138) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:52] I am only kidding around closer to twenty or thirty minutes [18:52] thank goodness. [18:52] :) [18:53] bbiab [18:53] Action: compl3x likes watching all the packages install [= [18:53] The Machine is only around 4 months old [18:53] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] nice Cryptic_Bat what model? [18:53] Lenovo 3000 N500 [18:53] ooh very nice [= [18:54] lenovos are beasts of machines [18:54] Cryptic_Bat, Very sexy [= [18:54] firebird619: good to hear :) [18:55] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-239-90.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:55] The installer isn't mounting the second CD [18:55] should of done dvd's :p [18:56] dvd'* [18:56] Never mind I was just going to past in my excitement [18:56] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] going to past :S? [18:57] Never mind I was just going to fast in my excitement [18:57] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.79.158) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:57] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-10-1.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [18:57] ahaha [18:57] p and f other ends of the keyboard dude [19:00] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-156-235-223.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: No route to host [19:02] antler: :) [19:02] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:03] Cryptic_Bat: nice laptop. :) [19:03] compl3x: p and f are in different rows too. :P [19:04] :p [19:04] Is there a way to instaal the broadcom stas wireless driver using slackpkg? [19:04] Is there a way to install the broadcom stas wireless driver using slackpkg? [19:04] wow double post [19:05] is it not with the kernel? [19:05] Action: compl3x need more cookies [19:05] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.111.11) joined ##slackware. [19:05] compl3x: The driver i am refering to is a proprietery driver [19:05] oh right [19:06] Action: compl3x goes back to his cookies [19:06] compl3x: chocolate chip? [19:06] mmmhmm maryland [19:07] http://imagebin.org/48490 dont repost like that, bad things can happen :D [19:07] lol [19:07] Pig_Pen, rofl at that image [19:07] yeah, i love that one [19:07] haha, nice Pig_Pen [19:08] nearly made me cry :p [19:08] compl3x: from laughing so hard? :P [19:08] yeah [19:09] Pig_Pen: lol..poor Jeffy [19:12] thumbs: for when you're around again, do you have anything inside the laptop labeled C88? [19:12] haha made me think of the ringer [19:13] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:16] whats everyones favorite matrix film? [19:16] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.79.158) joined ##slackware. [19:16] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.60) left irc: "Leaving" [19:17] I just seen the first matrix movie on tv the other day. I've seen it many times before that, but it was just on again a few days ago. [19:17] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] first one has to be my favorite but the fight scene in the third one is crazy [= [19:17] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.57) joined ##slackware. [19:17] and the second [19:18] well, I'm hoping they decide to do a 4th [19:18] There's room there for a 4th [19:18] hey Dominian. How are you? [19:18] Hoiw doi mount home on sda3 on my laptop [19:18] would make my day if they made a 4th [19:18] firebird619: good.. just got done handing out death certificates on Enemy Territory hehe [19:18] compl3x: which one is it with the fight seen, etc. on the interstate? [19:18] firebird619: you? [19:18] firebird619: that's three iirc [19:19] Dominian: doing very well, thanks. [19:19] Rat409_ (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] firebird619, where they all pile up on him.. second one.. [19:19] ohhhhh [19:19] taht fight scene. [19:19] the one-on one fight is the 3rd [19:19] no pirates on shortwave this weekend [19:19] wait.. that is the third one. [19:19] Do i have to rebuild the \kernel to enable ext4 support? [19:19] Cryptic_Bat: yep [19:19] unless you're using -current [19:19] I watched the second one earlier .. on the 3rd now [19:19] which I think has it in there by default [19:19] the one where neo flies in and saves morpheus and there's those semi's etc. [19:19] That's the second one, isn't it. [19:20] he always saves morpheu's ass [19:20] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.57) joined ##slackware. [19:20] How Do i switch to current? [19:20] haha, yeah. [19:20] not just the kernel, you need whatever makes a ext4 filesystyem, e2fsprogs? or whatever will do it [19:20] Nick change: Rat409_ -> Rat409 [19:21] Well look like its bak to Ubuntu [19:21] nooo! [19:21] Cryptic_Bat, I think I speak for all of us when I say this.. GTFO :p [19:21] Let him go back to Ubuntu. [19:21] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:21] If he's not willing to work at it, so be it. [19:21] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ [19:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:22] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [19:22] Action: compl3x hasn't bothered with ext4 yet [19:22] I wouldn't quite yet [19:22] has Pat built e2fsprogs to make ext4 filesystems in current? [19:22] I'm excited to try btrfs when it goes stable :) [19:23] Pig_Pen: I believe its availabe during install [19:23] on current yes it is [19:23] Cryptic_Bat: I suggest just not reading any docs at all, and then bugging dominian or a guy named mwalling on here; they love helping people. [19:23] ;) [19:23] /ignore [19:23] lol [19:23] Action: dartmouth gives Dominian a hug [19:24] aww guys :p [19:24] good, how stable it ext4, i dont run any high traffic servers and/or data centers with huge piles of data, just a few personal desktops so i probably wont get any benefits from ext4 or is there improvement for desktop/workstation setups? [19:25] So slackware doesn't include te2fsprogs [19:25] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:25] Cryptic_Bat: Slackware uses ext3.. you tell me [19:25] This has gone on for what 18hrs or so now? You my friend are not meant to run slack. [19:25] oh and xfs, jfs, reiserfs [19:25] mogunus (n=user@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] chopp, lol :p [19:26] Action: Dominian runs slackware, slamd64, openSUSE, NetBSD, FreeBSD, CentOS. etc etc etc :) [19:26] Lectus (n=quassel@189.105.79.158) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] Dominian: FreeBSD in a VM or on hdd? Does your mouse work? [19:26] firebird619: not in a VM.. I have to maintain servers at work that run it [19:27] Dominian: ah, ok. I have 7.2 in a vm and the mouse won't work. [19:27] anyone got a method for speeding up slackbuilds... ram disk? [19:27] compl3x: new computer? :P [19:27] firebird619, got one.. but still :p [19:27] haha [19:27] openoffice is taking ages [19:27] compl3x: What type of processor? [19:27] compl3x: IBM's super computer. :P [19:27] how man -j jobs did you specify? [19:28] intel q6600 - finished quicker than I thought tho [19:28] its my hd that lets me down [19:28] what hd? [19:28] ah [19:28] get SAS drives ;) [19:28] Maxtor 300gb peice of crap [19:28] compl3x: get a new drive and be happy. [19:28] firebird619, donate me money. [19:28] :p [19:29] compl3x: you donate to me first, then we'll talk. :P [19:29] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] firebird619, yeah.. that makes sense :p [19:30] 2~/cl [19:30] bleh [19:30] Rat409: you fail. :p [19:30] How's it going Rat409? [19:30] ivan8013__ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.57) joined ##slackware. [19:30] yup ,a lot lately :( [19:30] don't worry, be happy. :) [19:30] good ,thunderstorm on the way,hoping to be on the very edge of it [19:31] Action: compl3x loves thunderstorms- but hates not having internet during them [19:31] indeed lol [19:32] mm im feeling this decent d/l for once on a torrent [19:32] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:32] I dont like beeing put down just for choosing a distribution that works and that you guys thing maks me a newbie further more i have been using Linux sense 2004 [19:32] kthxbai [19:32] makes* [19:32] ;) [19:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WX_4FNoto4 heres a classic, i did not think Deep Purple was even a band anymore [19:32] ivan8013__ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.57) left irc: Client Quit [19:32] ive been having sex for years - doesn't mean im any good at it [19:32] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] hahaha [19:33] lol!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:33] Guest4270 (i=1000@70.94.221.53) joined ##slackware. [19:33] compl3x: practice makes perfect, keep trying. :p [19:33] well according to the other half [19:33] get a different half. :P [19:34] practice makes permanent [19:34] typ, firebird619 is right, you gotta practice and try new things like learning new stuff on a guitar, and pracitce a lot [19:34] I have ben using computer sense the early nineties [19:34] Pig_Pen: Was a joke :p - Im AMAZING [19:34] fortune said once: If practice makes perfect, yet nobody is perfect, why practice? [19:35] :p [19:35] compl3x: according to you, not the other half? :p [19:35] firebird619, hush [19:35] :p [19:35] oh noes! nobody is as good as i am, just ask my wife [19:35] congratulations, you're indeed a guy. :P [19:35] haha [19:36] Pig_Pen: where is she? :p [19:36] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.0.152) left irc: Connection timed out [19:36] shes here with me ;) [19:36] :O [19:36] so thats where she goes when she says she is going to play bingo [19:36] two people with the same other half? Oh my. [19:36] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.57) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] yeah shes playing with my balls instead [19:37] :O [19:37] Action: compl3x hides [19:37] compl3x: don't just hide, run man run. [19:37] compl3x: just make her take a shower when shes done [19:37] haha [19:37] Pig_Pen, Deal. No take backs :p [19:37] deal [19:38] Is saying that in ##slackware legally binding? :p [19:38] I guess you could use the logs for proof. [19:39] :P [19:40] wait - how could they make a 4th matrix- neo has no eyes in the end of the 3rd one [19:40] that would be a predicament wouldn't it. [19:40] sci/fi can do anything [19:40] laser eye surgery haha [19:40] haha [19:40] eye transplant [19:40] from morpheous [19:41] cool vid,Pig_Pen Ian Gillian FTW [19:41] he doesn't need them - hes helpless as it is [19:41] always getting his ass saved - [19:41] compl3x: Neo is "The One" the eyes regenerated. :p [19:41] bleah. Maybe they'll make a matrix without Keanu, and it won't suck? [19:41] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:41] hes neo not doctor who. [19:41] wishful thinking I suppose [19:41] hey Urchlay [19:41] morning [19:42] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] replace neo with octomom. :p [19:42] Keanu is so dreamy tho [19:42] or whatever it is (I woke up at 7pm) [19:42] its 0:42 am here.. [19:42] Use Arnold [19:42] Imagine Arnold as Neo... [19:42] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:42] haha [19:42] they're apparently making a new terminator movie with Ahnold [19:43] California governor arnold. Oh my. [19:43] as the govenor? [19:43] nice [19:43] good old arnie - i wanna share my cookies with him [19:43] the governator [19:43] er, I mean to say. Without arnold [19:43] Terminator Salvation [19:43] previews make it look silly [19:44] the us government military is working on robotic soldiers [19:44] but I'm starting to think maybe no movie's previews are any good [19:44] :p [19:44] (watchmen previews made me think "this movie will suck" but I liked the actual movie) [19:44] hmm [19:44] sometimes previews don't do the movie justice. [19:44] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Crank 2 [19:44] we already have drone aircraft, i can imagine robots remotely controlled already [19:45] They should make a snatch 2 [19:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:45] snatch as an awesome film [19:45] Pig_Pen: that's probably not far off I'm sure. [19:45] Pig_Pen: "The Forever Peace", by Joe Haldeman, good book about that [19:45] googles for that book [19:45] Action: compl3x wants one of the big robots from the matrix - with the big guns - but would add lasers to it [19:45] lasers are good on everything [19:45] compl3x: and do what, lasik. :P [19:46] firebird619, go round killing cats [19:46] BOOOM! [19:46] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176074091.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:46] meow, BOOOOOM! [19:46] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176074091.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:46] haha [19:46] you might read "The Forever War" first... to get an idea how the author thinks about war (but the other book isn't a sequel to it, they just have similar titles) [19:46] http://www.nesfa.org/reviews/Leeper/foreverp.html sounds interesting [19:46] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.119.57) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:47] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-10-1.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] they are somewhat critical but i sci/fi deals with the improbible but that is how new things become a reality [19:48] death race [19:49] that's a fair review I guess... the book isn't perfect, but even that reviewer says it's worth reading [19:50] lets see, my all time favorite sci/fi books are the Berserker series by Fred Saberhagin, Lucifers Hammer by Larry Niven, Footfall by Jerry Pournell and Larry Niven, [19:51] i will pick it up if i see it in the local used book store [19:51] whoa. "In October 2008 it was announced that Ridley Scott will direct a feature film based on The Forever War for Fox." [19:51] the forever war and the forever peace go together, read forever war first, i will keep that in mind [19:52] Ridley Scott = director of what, Blade Runner and at least one of the Alien movies? [19:52] :p /join #books - wow its actually a channel [19:52] blade runner was an awesome movie [19:52] true that [19:52] true classic [19:52] heh. Sorry, is there important slackware-related discussion that we're in the way of? [19:52] Action: Urchlay yields the floor [19:53] Haha was joking ;) [19:53] ok, going 10-7 if someone needs slackware problems fixed [19:53] Action: Urchlay staggers towards the coffeepot [19:54] Urchlay: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000631/ <-- Ridley Scott. [19:54] Alien: The Director's Cut [19:54] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:56] hmm [19:57] I really didn't like the bladerunner director's cut as much as the original [19:57] (mostly cause of the missing harrison ford detective-style voiceovers) [19:57] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] jg [19:58] yeah :S [20:00] Pig_Pen: Berserker series, would like to see that made into maybe a TV series with somebody good running the show (the babylon 5 guy, or maybe joss) [20:01] nah, not joss, he's too much into witty dialogue [20:01] yeah, it was an excellent series of books, if the sci/fi channel picked it up and just made one or two seasons it would be worth it [20:01] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176073059.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:02] Guest4270 (i=1000@70.94.221.53) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [20:02] what does this mean: cat <<-EOF > $PKG/install/doinst.sh [20:02] I understand it [20:02] I just don't get why EOF is used [20:02] end of file [20:03] yeah but dont get why in this context [20:03] signifies the eof of doinst.sh? I'm not sure. [20:03] hmm just looking round buildscripts - not very bash fluent myself.. [20:03] just trying to learn more.. [20:04] cat < blah blah [20:04] WHATEVER [20:04] compl3x: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/here-docs.html [20:04] cheers BP{k} [= [20:05] s/WHATEVER/WHATEVAH [20:05] it doesn't matter what the WHATEVER is, so long as it's the same in both places. Think of them as doublequotes... except they result in a "file" instead of a string [20:05] s/WHATEVER/WTFBBQLOL/ [20:05] ah right - kind of understand .. [20:06] thats called something right? [20:06] it means read from std input untill EOF marker and redirect to doinst.sh [20:06] that form of quoting [20:06] C style? C String? [20:06] dartmouth: it's called a "here document" [20:06] lol [20:06] kk [20:07] (see BP{k}'s link) [20:08] oh I understand it now .. when you do << it supplys input for the command before it [20:08] yep [20:08] thats pretty cool [20:09] you know what else is cool? [20:09] .. [20:10] disorder69 (n=user@bl7-113-194.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:10] I take your .. and raise you .... :p [20:10] ..... [20:10] hey do you guys know if there is somehting like glass2k for linux yet? [20:10] I fold [20:10] same [20:10] :p [20:10] :p [20:10] glass2k? [20:10] adam__1979 (i=1000@70.94.221.53) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Action: firebird619 googles [20:11] http://chime.tv/products/glass2k.shtml [20:11] okay now I kind of understand it - but cat <<-EOF > $PKG/install/doinst.sh still doesn't make sense [20:11] ughhh toast10101 any window manager that works with compositing [20:11] is EOF a literal end of file - or just a marker.? [20:11] disorder69 (n=user@bl7-113-194.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [20:11] it's a marker to tell the << where to stop [20:12] except it looks like they used -EOF instead [20:12] toastytoast: yeah, any de/wm that supports compositing. I think fluxbox can do that, xfce too iirc, kde4 also. [20:12] Urchlay, end of doinst? [20:12] well the reason why i haven't figured out how to get ff to do it yet [20:13] ff is stubborn. :P [20:14] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [20:14] compl3x: the end of the cat command's input. [20:14] ah right [= [20:14] (which is also the end of the doinst, because cat just echoes its input to its output, and the output has been redirected into doinst.sh) [20:14] toastytoast: I'm sure there's some way to make ff transparent, I just don't know what it is. [20:15] firebird619: squint a lot? [20:15] haha [20:15] lol, I don't, my windows are opaque, not see thru. [20:15] i'll figure it out eventually prolly [20:16] toastytoast: good luck [20:16] when i do i'll let you know [20:16] might be a while tho [20:17] that opaque resize? that is when you resize the window the desktop does not redraw the window until you are done resizing it, [20:20] Action: compl3x wishes he learnt to bash script a long time ago - this is awesome [20:20] you can do some well neat stuff [20:20] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-10-1.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Action: toastytoast heads over to #fluxbox [20:24] Action: compl3x follows [20:25] compl3x: you do know at least one programming language already, right? [20:26] Urchlay, Many.. [20:26] cool. I always feel bad for people who learn bash as their first language, it's confusing as hell for them [20:26] I wasn't expecting it to be able to do some of the stuff it can- thats why I was in shock [20:27] :) [20:27] definitely something I have to master [20:27] [= [20:27] yeah, bash compared to ms-dos batch script is like heaven [20:27] yeah Im feeling that [20:30] ms-dos is like a moped, bash is like a harley :D [20:30] :P [20:31] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:31] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:32] actually bash is like a harley that can turn into a submarine and a helicopter :) [20:32] with lasers? [20:33] yup, with lasers. :P [20:33] lol [20:33] Urchlay: what does that make perl? [20:33] :o [20:34] BP{k}: a better form of rot13 [20:34] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] perl = harley + submarine + chinook helicopter. Two sets of rotor blades are better than one. :P [20:35] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] firebird619: unless it's your card parked next to a roof full of gravel where said chinook flew over. [20:35] schneiderr (n=m@76.74.129.199) left ##slackware ("*.net *.split"). [20:35] yikes [20:36] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [20:36] would that said car then be a mobile sand (gravel) box? [20:37] also perl has rocket boosters and a warp drive [20:37] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-101-72.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:38] :O, harley + submarine + chinook helicopter, nasa space shuttle. [20:39] too. far. [20:39] :p [20:39] err, I've seemed to have lost my mp3 to ogg script. :( [20:39] also perl can transform into a giant mecha version of larry wall, capable of destroying Tokyo and defeating Godzilla in single combat [20:39] Urchlay, still not impressed. [20:39] :p [20:39] (capable of it, but too polite to actually do it...() [20:39] Whoa, it's a transformer too, wow. [20:40] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-113-163.lijbrandt.net) left irc: "never push the red button... never... oops..." [20:40] whoah [20:40] actually the best description of perl is the standard one... "Swiss Army chainsaw" [20:40] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] :P [20:40] Watch your fingers..:D [20:41] I guess I have to figure out how to make a mp3 to ogg script. I've lost the one I had. :( [20:42] firebird619: using? [20:42] not sure, the other one I had was one I found. [20:42] vorbis-tools? [20:42] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-101-72.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [20:43] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:43] I'm sure there's a one liner command somewhere out there. [20:43] Howcome when doing stuff like cat <<-EOF > file.txt [newline] Hello World [newline] EOF the EOF canno't be tabbed? [20:43] oggenc [20:44] http://pastebin.com/m66eea6b5 [20:44] you already have it if you install vorbis-tools firebird619 oggenc is part of it [20:44] anyone explain why that happens ^? [20:44] oggenc? yes, I already have it, looking at oggenc -h right now. Thanks Pig_Pen [20:44] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [20:45] you guys utterly sucks [20:45] xaviertoor_ (n=xavierto@189-015-169-136.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:45] err.. i mean hi guys :-D [20:45] Hey macavity. [20:45] Action: macavity obviously has Turretes Syndrom :P [20:45] feelings mutual. :P [20:45] Action: compl3x fixed his problem - stupid text editor was doing EOF [20:45] nope, oggenc wont do it firebird619, my bad [20:45] :( [20:46] Heya,macavity [20:46] perl audio converter firebird619 [20:46] Pig_Pen: is that a program or you mean a perl script? [20:46] yeah [20:46] hi - if I've a winxp desktop on my local network, what's an efficient way of sending messages to it from my linux desktop for common tasks (like sending a url)? starting a instant messaging service is too much of a hassle for this [20:47] http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/ firebird619 [20:47] Pig_Pen: thanks. [20:47] Ficthe: rfb [20:48] Ficthe: Remote Frame Buffer [20:48] Ficthe: aka "remote desktop" [20:48] Pig_Pen: It has a slackware package, think it's safe or am I better off building my own? [20:48] Ficthe: other than that, ssh [20:48] macavity, huh?! are you sure this is the most quick&efficient way of sending a message like a url? [20:48] I was thinking something like 'talk' [20:49] find something to communicate with microsofts "net" commands?.. [20:49] Ficthe: ah, ok, like that.. sure.. see if there is a talk client for windows or some such [20:49] will do [20:49] Ficthe: but.. isnt that sorta the same as having the two machines join the same IRC channel? :P [20:50] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Ficthe: its somewhat overkill, but if all else fails you can run a local ircd on your linux box and let windows use some god forsaken client [20:50] i gave up [20:50] ok, when dealing with windows you always end with a god forsaken solution anyhow :P [20:51] Action: macavity wanders off again.. this time to plunder the fridge [20:51] toastytoast: no luck? [20:52] well i found a few ways of how to do it but and in #fluxbox they said xcommgn but xcompmng makes switching between workspaces teribly slow [20:53] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [20:55] for soem reason ati doesn't like composite on linux or soemthing [20:55] toastytoast: that's to bad. [20:55] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-12.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] maybe i will discover an alternate way but i doubt it [20:58] oggenc will encode a wav file to ogg [20:58] Ficthe: why is opening a IM a hassle? [20:58] just not an mp3 to ogg. :) [20:59] nope, i tried just now [20:59] panzer, too many clicks. It's very often that I need to just give a link to the other desktop [20:59] perl audio converter seems really nice going by screenshots, etc. Think I should build my own, they do have a slackware package. [21:00] Ficthe: would you not leave the client up? [21:01] FILENAME = "output" - howcome this wont work in my script..? "line 3 - filename not found" [21:01] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:01] panzer, correct, I never do. I don't use any im services to begin with [21:01] Ficthe: ok [21:02] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Oh your not allowed spaces between = in bash [21:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] gboxx_ (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8d54.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [21:08] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [21:12] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "::" [21:12] ananke, i finally bought the lumix i told you about :) [21:13] redtricycle (n=lionel@ppp-67-124-91-110.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:19] compl3x: that "no spaces around =" rule is especially annoying because you *must* use spaces around = in an 'if [ "$foo" = "bar" ]' [21:20] Urchlay, haha yep found that out - pain in the ass tbh [21:20] firebird619, i'm impressed, i tried taking a picture with the automatic settings in total darkness using flash and poiting to a bottle of pills with full zoom and no tipod and i was able to read the label in the bottle [21:20] nachox: wow, that's pretty good, especially for auto and no tripod. [21:21] gboxx___ (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8fcf.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [21:21] nachox: The other day with the cam I got I took 237 pictures of clouds. :p [21:21] firebird619, mi brother took one of the moon yesterday [21:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [21:22] cool. I've done that in the past, but beings I only have 3x zoom, I had to use binoculars and put the camera lens up to the eye part of the binocular. That's where a big zoom camera would come in handy. [21:23] but big zoom cameras are harder to carry around everywhere. [21:23] i tried doing that with minimal success [21:23] with a point and shoot 5MP camera + some 30X binocs [21:23] nachox: I'm glad you got the lumix and are happy with it. [21:23] gboxx (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8be9.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:24] firebird619, the problem is that my brother did not know how to use the AF and one was out of focus... [21:24] antiwire: It's very difficult to do, just have to hit the right spot where it's all lined up perfectly. I think the one's I used were 10x25. [21:25] nachox: ah, yeah. knowing the settings and so forth is key to getting good/great pictures. Photography is an art. [21:26] almost two months old and demmanding to feed himself http://i40.tinypic.com/jab1qd.jpg [21:26] especially with the moon, sometimes af won't do very well, you need to use manual and adjust the iso, shutter speed if possible, etc. [21:26] nix_chix0r: Awww, that's really cute. [21:26] firebird619, the menues are very different to those in my old sony. i still have to get used to it [21:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] :D [21:27] nachox: yeah, that alone can be a challenge, I've heard from various people that nikon's menus are the worst. [21:27] firebird619, this is what happens when you install the lastest kernel on an infant [21:27] sometimes the manufacturers will put a well known option in the weirdest darn place. [21:27] nix_chix0r: 2.6.29.3? :P [21:28] 2.6.30.1:P [21:28] :O [21:28] nix_chix0r: you're running rc stuff? [21:28] it's serious buisness [21:28] I guess. :) [21:29] pretty soon he'll be making his own bottle too. [21:30] arno_ (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:30] firebird619, do you know whether lumix cameras have firmwares you can update? [21:30] nachox: I think it depends on the model. Which model did you get? [21:31] I am sure some do. [21:31] gboxx_ (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8d54.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:31] fz-28 [21:31] k, I'll look. sec [21:31] http://meeplemorph.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/1164067718140pu4.gif [21:32] come out with your paws up. :P [21:33] serious business. [21:33] can you pipe wget? [21:33] nachox: nice, that even shoots in raw format. [21:33] compl3x, ?? [21:34] nachox: ie: instead of downloading the file - pass the contents along to another apap [21:34] app* [21:35] gboxx__ (n=gboxx@cmnz-4dbd8d1d.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:36] compl3x, of course try wget www.google.com -O - | less [21:36] arno__ (i=100@81.57.177.108) joined ##slackware. [21:38] arno_ (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:38] nachox: Didn't work... hmm [21:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:39] compl3x, it does work, i tried it before pasting it here [21:39] hmm ill test again [21:40] interesting - worked.. ( checks typos on my part ) [21:40] Oooh -O not -0 :/ [21:40] hmm, i don't suppose any of you bought tires from tirerack.com? [21:41] compl3x, :) [21:41] thanks nachox [= [21:41] nachox: doesn't look like there's any updates for the FZ28: http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/index.html [21:42] unless they release something down the road. [21:42] i see [21:42] firebird619: inside... where? [21:42] thumbs: the C88 thing? Inside the laptop, possibly underneath the wireless card. [21:43] firebird619: that will require dissasembly. [21:43] firebird619: or maybe I can just remove a panel [21:44] Well, probably not complete disassemly, what I seen was just the keyboard being removed, it was for another model, so somewhat a shot in the dark, but would more than likely work if you have C88. [21:44] firebird619: I removed the keyboard once. It was a chore. [21:45] firebird619: I will look in the bottom panels [21:45] ok, just a thought. [21:45] Also, I looked through the manual, 269 pages, and no help as to what I was looking for. [21:45] firebird619: darn [21:45] firebird619: my screwdrivers are at work. [21:45] :( [21:46] thumbs: also, does it let you get to a point where you can press like F12 or something to get the boot menu? [21:46] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@bb-216-195-184-64.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] yes. [21:46] 2.6.29 came out yesterday:) [21:46] but even if I press that, the BIOS password kicks in. [21:46] I wonder if it hasbugfixes for the kernel panics I'm getting [21:46] it's F2 for the BIOS, F12 for boot options. [21:46] bhodgins: 2.6.29 has been out for a while, yesterday was a new revision 2.6.29.3 [21:46] was gonna say [21:47] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:47] mines "press the thinkpad button" to access setup options [21:47] or something [21:47] thumbs: so if, for example, you have a live cd in there, it still ask's for the password? [21:47] yes, thats what I meant however [21:47] bhodgins: IBM, yes. [21:47] IBM rocks [21:47] firebird619: yes, it asks before the boot sequence. [21:47] firebird619: very irrritating [21:47] bhodgins: do you have an IBM thinkpad or Lenovo Thinkpad? [21:48] thumbs: indeed. I'll keep searching. Do you see anything during boot that signifies what bios manufacturer it for sure is? I suppose you cant even get into BIOS Settings either. [21:48] halfway between [21:48] it was the last IBM [21:48] T series at least [21:48] firebird619: nope, otherwise the password would be gone! [21:48] :( [21:49] T60, I was like damn! I have to get my hands on a T60 cause they're freaking unbreakable [21:49] So nothing that shows what the bios manufacturer is either? [21:49] firebird619: no [21:49] I also have two R40's [21:49] thumbs: you in Canada? [21:49] In touch with Tomorrow - Toshiba [21:49] firebird: I thought it was cananada [21:49] firebird619: yes [21:50] Ok, just asking because that laptop is only sold in Canada. :) [21:50] you're gonna call Toshiba tomorrow? [21:50] firebird619: yes [21:50] firebird619: I have no other way to fix it. [21:50] firebird619: err, not tomorrow. Monday. [21:51] I suppose their solution will be, send it in and oops, wait, it's out of warrenty, send about $250 with the laptop. :P [21:51] warranty [21:51] i had slackpkg running an update in a yakuake terminal and yakuake dided but slackpkg is still running [21:51] how do i get it back to some other terminal [21:52] firebird619: yeah. [21:52] thumbs: that sucks, you can't even flash the bios or anything. :p [21:52] firebird619: I just send my new Dell to a service center in that manner [21:52] ...I have 26 temperature sensors in gkrellm... [21:52] firebird619: nope [21:52] that's spendy [21:52] firebird619: I spent 350$ on my new Dell [21:53] the price they charge is almost the price of a new, low-end laptop [21:53] adam__1979 (i=1000@70.94.221.53) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [21:53] plus, who knows, they probably root through all your stuff. [21:53] I spent 380 fir a thinkpad t60. its nice and its dual core, so I get two penguinz :D [21:53] firebird619: my Dell is worth over 2000$ [21:53] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] firebird619: I didn't give them my linux passwords, of course. [21:54] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.117.70) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [21:54] thumbs: just a thought, but have you asked in #hardware? [21:54] or #electronics [21:54] firebird619: I will [21:54] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] they may have ideas [21:54] Alan_Hicks: ping [21:54] firebird619: so 350$ for a 2k$ laptop, sure. [21:54] firebird619: 300$ for a 600$ toshiba, not so much [21:55] this toshiba was $600? according to the site, the 1900 series is over $2,000. [21:55] firebird619: not any more. [21:55] firebird619: it's a single core @1.7 w/ 512 MB of RAM [21:56] has a 40 GB HDD too, 5400RPM [21:56] Toshiba's site shows that one at $2,499 yet. [21:56] huh, that's impossible. Not with those specs. [21:57] http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en§ion=1&group=223&product=321&part=413#spectop [21:57] firebird619: yeah, those are accurate specs. [21:57] firebird619: darn, it is still decent. [21:59] you on windows in that toshiba? [21:59] firebird619: no idea. [21:59] :p [21:59] firebird619: the previous owner can't recall what was running on it. [21:59] bhodgins_ (n=bhodgins@pool-70-105-229-183.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] firebird619: I supposed I could read the HDD with a USB enclosure. [22:01] thumbs: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13548 [22:02] firebird619: interesting [22:02] http://www.elfqrin.com/docs/biospw.html [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] thumbs: and the previous owner doesn't remember the password either? :p [22:05] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] firebird619: no [22:08] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-101-72.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:08] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-101-72.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [22:09] firebird619: battery dead, and the adapter is not here [22:09] firebird619: was not meant to be tonight :( I will resume tomorrw. [22:09] :( [22:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) joined ##slackware. [22:10] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@bb-216-195-184-64.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] thumbs: Well, I'll keep looking for solutions. I read too that in some cases, toshiba has to replace the entire mobo. [22:12] firebird619: besides the low RAM, the only downside is that the laptop is very thick [22:13] yeah, that can sometimes be a pain. :) [22:13] I've never had a laptop, but have you seen the Dell Ademo, gosh is that thin. [22:13] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:13] that is thin [22:13] firebird619: its such a waste of money [22:14] aceofspades19: the ademo? [22:14] yes [22:14] Adamo [22:14] yes, it is [22:14] I'm sure it is. does it even have an optical drive? :P [22:14] the Mac equivalent is a much better deal. [22:14] hba (n=hba@189.188.139.5) left irc: "leaving" [22:15] who would buy something from dell when you can get the same thing from apple for cheaper? [22:15] not I. :P [22:15] with better specs. [22:15] my kid likes her macbook, stable, runs very well [22:15] Porpetones (n=tarcio@189.4.162.236) joined ##slackware. [22:16] if the adamo was cheaper then the macbook air, then it might be a different story [22:16] Porpetones (n=tarcio@189.4.162.236) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:16] aceofspades19: only if. [22:16] dell is a second-rate manufacturer of laptops anyways [22:17] the high end XPS, like the one I got, is great. [22:18] I agree [22:18] got one here too [22:18] M1530, works great, love it [22:18] danc3: that's the one I got. [22:19] including wireless and integrated webcam [22:19] you remind me, I must rip more DVD's with it tonight [22:19] danc3: yes, supported out of the box. [22:19] danc3: you have to be careful when picking the chipset, that is all [22:19] bhodgins_ (n=bhodgins@pool-70-105-229-183.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] wb MLanden. [22:20] mine has the Broadcom BCM4328 wireless, uses the "wl" driver, no problems [22:20] anyhow, I will head home now. [22:20] thanks,firebird619 [22:23] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [22:30] Anyone have ideas about this error: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13553 [22:30] ge0rge007 (n=ge0rge@f69-65.fdsl.aegean.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:32] nope sorry [22:33] i got that error too firebird619 [22:34] Winter__ (n=Winter@69-29-236-50.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] acti0nx (i=acti0nx@201-11-17-218.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:34] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] Pig_Pen: yet Header.pm is in: /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i486-linux-thread-multi/Encode/MIME/Header.pm [22:34] it looks like it is looking for a perl module [22:35] yeah, when I tried ./configure, it needs CDDB_get [22:35] checking for perl module CDDB_get... no [22:35] acti0nx (i=acti0nx@201-11-17-218.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [22:35] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:35] configure: error: missing: CDDB_get. try running the mod-install.sh script located in the extra directory [22:36] http://freshmeat.net/projects/oggvorbisheader maybe this? [22:37] hmm, possibly. [22:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] firebird619, you building something? [22:37] Pig_Pen: nope, I think it needs this: http://armin.emx.at/cddb/ [22:37] Evenin',Old_Fogie [22:37] Old_Fogie: yeah, perl audio converter. trying anyway. [22:37] firebird619, well a nice way to grab the perl dir is like Mr. V does in pidgin slackbuild : http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/xap/pidgin/pidgin.SlackBuild [22:37] wow - 3:38 AM :/ [22:37] hey MLanden :) [22:38] compl3x: get to bed. :P [22:38] Old_Fogie: I'm just trying to convert some mp3s to ogg. [22:38] firebird619, can't - enjoying the bash scripting :p [22:38] haha [22:38] compl3x: congratulations, you're a true slacker. :p [22:38] haha :p [22:38] lol [22:39] firebird619, oh try the mp32ogg app ? [22:39] :O, there is one? [22:40] oh that uses perl too, you might get same issue buildilng it, hmm [22:40] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [22:41] firebird619, ah then try this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29024 [22:42] Old_Fogie: sweet, thanks. [22:42] yeah, nice find Old_Fogie [22:42] slacky has a buildscript, I had used there's a while back, it's a quick build, no crazy dep's [22:43] builds on a stock slakc box [22:44] Here, I found an amarok plugin too, called transkode: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/transKode?content=27512 [22:44] firebird619, that's a binary (/me says putting on his tin foil hat) iirc [22:44] :O [22:45] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:47] what about this: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Audio+Format+Converter?content=23653 [22:47] dunno, I fell in love with soundkonverter a while back. [22:47] firebird619: Here's 'nother recipe http://www.linuxweblog.com/convert-ogg-to-mp3 [22:47] I'm working on installing that one Old_Fogie. [22:47] it dont need wacky stuff to build, and if you want one of them screwy encoders, you can build it and add it later [22:48] and no need to rebuild it [22:48] cant beat that I say [22:48] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:48] :) [22:48] sorry...wrong way 'round...:( [22:48] MLanden: no worries. :) [22:48] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [22:49] Old_Fogie: that soundKonverter just needs two deps, both of which I already have. :) [22:49] yup [22:50] good to hear,firebird619 [22:50] Old_Fogie: today was the city-wide rummage sale here, but the weather wasn't to nice. chilly/rainy. [22:50] yeah our stank [22:50] ours [22:50] Zozma_ (n=Winter@72-160-223-233.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] we had a big yard sale, over 300 vendors, and I bought an ash tray [22:51] Oh well, there will be plenty more rummages this summer. [22:51] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] The season is just beginning. :) [22:51] spent more to get in..then on the ash tray :) [22:51] lol [22:51] they had good food there tho [22:51] :) [22:51] In a town not far from here, there was 245 rummage sales today. [22:51] can't beat that,Old_Fogie [22:51] for their city-wide rummage sale [22:51] MLanden, right on [22:52] I'm gonna keep the hopes up tho, it's still early :) [22:52] indeed, very early. Many good deals to be found yet. [22:52] yeah, alot of stuff at this one, way over priced too. [22:52] never know what hidden treasures may be found..:D [22:53] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:53] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-72-47-14-178.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left ##slackware. [22:54] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Old_Fogie: isn't that just horrible how some people have stuff, sometimes crappy stuff too, and they have ungoshly high prices. [22:58] old, worn out matress, $200 [22:58] yeah, and alot of the things, even if they halved the price, it was still too high I thought [22:59] yeah, it's just horrible. The point of a rummage is to get rid of stuff, i.e. have cheap prices so the stuff sells. [23:00] People become greedy [23:01] yup, but I ain't putting someone's kids thru college on the purchase of a staple gun from 15 years ago, with a broken clip on it :) [23:02] Old_Fogie: haha, me either. [23:02] college is expensive these days. :) [23:02] over here in the UK we have `car boot sales` - where on a sunday everyone will meet in a feild somewhere and sell there items usually on tables and sit in the boot of their car - ( or the trunk to you usa lot ) [23:03] nice atmosphere [= [23:03] night all:) [23:03] firebird619: did you get soundkonverter built? [23:03] night hitest [23:03] night [23:03] Pig_Pen: working on it right now. I made a slackbuild. [23:03] night firebird619, compl3x:) [23:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:04] firebird619: you will get an error building it unless you go to /usr/include/cdda and symlink three files in there to /usr/include [23:04] after i did that it built good for me [23:04] Pig_Pen: ok, thanks for the heads up. [23:04] Pig_Pen, soundkonverter? [23:05] yeah [23:05] huh, I build it on 12.1, never noticed it, cd works,as that's what I use for my cd's. [23:05] maybe something changed in 12.1 to 12.2 dunno [23:05] hackeron (n=hackeron@78.33.200.139) joined ##slackware. [23:06] err, mental blank, in a slackbuild, do you put the -j# with make or make install? [23:06] make [23:06] ok, thanks. [23:06] yw [23:06] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:06] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.60.181: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: gnutls, xpdf | heads up: BitchX EOL notice [23:07] i am using 12.2 [23:07] me_ (n=me_@cpc5-bexl4-0-0-cust196.bmly.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:08] Pig_Pen: so ln -s /usr/include /usr/include/cdda/filename_here ? [23:08] no [23:08] ln -s /usr/include/cdda/* /usr/include [23:08] firebird619, http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/multimedia/soundkonverter/0.3.9/src/ [23:08] oops, I had it backwards. Thanks. [23:08] Old_Fogie: ok, thanks. [23:09] the cdda patch is probably what he's referring to that slacky has [23:09] err paranoia I mean [23:09] there are just three files in /usr/include/cdda just symlink them in to /usr/include [23:10] cdda_interface.h cdda_paranoia.h utils.s [23:10] utils.h [23:10] not s [23:11] alright, it's building. [23:11] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left ##slackware ("Quit"). [23:12] Nick change: E[m]ess -> Emess [23:14] ge0rge007 (n=ge0rge@f69-65.fdsl.aegean.gr) left ##slackware. [23:14] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.230.35) left irc: Connection timed out [23:17] enigma_ (n=enigma@222.172.214.13) joined ##slackware. [23:17] hello [23:17] hi [23:17] y0 [23:18] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.250) joined ##slackware. [23:18] hello enigma_ [23:19] Old_Fogie: that is a nice program. Thanks. [23:20] i'm suffering from arpspoof [23:21] firebird619, .. slackware stats Is firebird619 stupid or just asking too many questions? 35.5% lines contained a question! [23:21] haha :) [23:22] :( [23:22] compl3x: where'd you get that from? [23:22] at least I'm under 50% [23:22] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats/ [23:22] how to avoid such attacks? [23:23] Old_Fogie: hey, you're number one on there. :P [23:23] erejre (n=hooh@190.166.114.183) joined ##slackware. [23:23] compl3x: haha, I didn't know about that. :P [23:24] :p [23:24] Camarade_Tux brings happiness to the world. :P [23:24] Old_Fogie spoke a total of 49303 words! [23:24] Old_Fogie's faithful follower, TwinReverb, didn't speak so much: 32134 words. [23:25] Old_Fogie always lets us know what he/she's doing: 129 actions! [23:25] those stats are very out of whack and have been for a long time. [23:25] d4vidc (n=d@74-209-6-39.dsl.elltel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] chopp: So I'm not stupid? :P [23:25] nope ;) [23:26] :) [23:26] firebird619: now to figure out how to run xsane as my regular user. [23:26] thumbs: in the scanner group? [23:26] good question [23:26] yowza! i had no idea anyone was analizing ##slackware like that [23:27] firebird619: oops, nope. [23:27] Pig_Pen: me either. [23:27] thumbs: :) [23:27] hmm 4:27 am - do i go sleep and wake up feeling even worse for not sleeping - or do i stay awake till the morning [23:27] late morning.. [23:27] Pig_Pen: you're #4 in most active, pick up the pace. :) [23:27] damn...cat's outta the bag [23:28] i am up late, usually i am asleep by now, i bet i exit and go to sleep within an hour [23:28] enigma_ (n=enigma@222.172.214.13) left ##slackware. [23:28] yeah. Old_Fogie is #1 [23:28] Pig_Pen, what time is it there? [23:28] can you get lime disease from a woodtick [23:28] lyme*? [23:29] yes [23:29] http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=FjK&ei=9kkGSp3YE8u2jAeX1syVBA&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=wood+tick+lyme+disease&spell=1 [23:29] nix_chix0r: it's possible [23:29] oops my bad [23:29] its possible nix_chix0r [23:29] why are urls so stupidly long nowaday [23:29] the the chances are slim [23:29] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:29] i'll have to monitor my leg then he grabbed one off my ankle today [23:29] compl3x, tinyurl.com [23:29] nix_chix0r, yeah I know :p just didn't expect it to be that long [23:29] nix_chix0r: i don't think it'll show visual signs [23:29] firebird619: no go. [23:30] nix_chix0r: i think a doctor can check the tick, if you still have it [23:30] amazon10x: yes, it will. [23:30] http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ld_humandisease_symptoms.htm nix_chix0r [23:30] firebird619: let's run gdb on it [23:30] he burned it in the ash tray heh [23:30] there will be signs if there is lyme diseas. [23:30] Nick change: i-i3id3r -> l00t [23:30] disease [23:30] yup [23:31] he said they have a lot of them where he works and now i'm going to be paranoid going to work on monday thinking i'm covered in ticks [23:31] I had a tick in my ear one time. [23:31] had to go to the doctor, they got it with a tweezers, and then burned it in the sink. [23:31] read that page nix_chix0r keep an eye on it, if you see a rash develop go see your doctor [23:32] nix_chix0r: symptoms are simiplar to the flu, also watch for like a red spot, etc. [23:32] ugh, I can't spell [23:32] similar [23:32] :P [23:32] will do [23:32] i almost shaved my head haha [23:32] i dont want none hiding [23:32] haha [23:32] also aches in your joints & bones similar to arthritus [23:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [23:33] he said they continue to get larger the more they suck on you and then they get really translucent because they are so stretched. so i think i will be inspecting more often [23:34] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left ##slackware. [23:34] nix_chix0r: here's another good site for info: http://arthritis.webmd.com/tc/lyme-disease-topic-overview [23:34] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] nix_chix0r: yeah, they'll continue to suck your blood. [23:34] wonder if i wore a dog collar those repell ticks haha [23:34] lol [23:34] lol [23:35] hmmm i really should get some sleep :/ [23:35] unless any of you have any suggestions of feeling magically awake? [23:36] tino27 (n=Tino27@cpe-24-93-187-187.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:36] firebird619, i was going to install mandriva on my desktop and changed my mind at how crappy it is when i tested it out [23:36] redbull, it gives you wings. :) [23:36] so slackware is going on tomorrow and i dont have to do anything on sunday cause it's mothers day:D [23:36] wait-sunday is mothers day? [23:37] nix_chix0r: gosh, install ubuntu why don't you. :P. Yes, install slackware. please please please. [23:37] compl3x: yes [23:37] you forgot [23:37] No :| [23:37] i got flowers today from my mom [23:37] nix_chix0r: cool, in case I don't see you here tomorrow. Happy Mothers Day. [23:37] wait its sunday here today [23:37] oooh shit shit [23:37] compl3x: hahaha [23:37] thanks:) [23:38] ill just burn her a slackware dvd [23:38] :p [23:38] firebird619, yeah i'll probally be in bed all day doing nothing. he painted my fingers and toes today gave me a french manicure [23:38] i feel spoiled [23:38] o.0 [23:38] he can paint toes? [23:38] it's no where near perfect but he does a great job [23:39] cool [23:39] aww sweet [23:39] when i was pregnant he did all that and shaved my legs lol [23:39] wow [23:39] i would do the same to mine - but i hate feet and shes an impatient mofo' [23:39] haha [23:39] compl3x: aren't you sweet. :P [23:39] yeah i think he has a foot fetish or something he loves my feet [23:39] shaved your legs - hell that mans dedicated [23:40] nix_chix0r: he gives you foot rubs too? :) [23:40] oh yes:D [23:40] compl3x: he sure is. :) [23:40] Wait- you lot seen pulp fiction? [23:40] nix_chix0r: wow, he's a keeper. [23:40] A foot massage ... or a foot massage? - haha [23:40] nix_chix0r: hey! [23:40] rofl [23:41] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.248) left irc: "Leaving" [23:41] compl3x: lol [23:41] spook, hai [23:41] nix_chix0r: hows the little terror? [23:41] spook: he hold's his own bottle now. :) [23:41] much better he had a little bug but hes great now and yeah he grabbed the bottle from me and started to feed himself [23:41] advanced little monkey [23:41] nheco__ (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [23:41] not breast feeding? :P (remember that arguement?) [23:42] with the latest kernel. :P [23:42] naw my boobs are tapped out [23:42] haha, you're dried up. :P [23:43] that was a painful process the drying stage [23:44] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.250) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:44] I always wondered if that's painful for the mother.... [23:45] spook: here's the pic she posted today: http://i40.tinypic.com/jab1qd.jpg [23:45] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Off to see the Wizard (of my paycheck - or sleep)" [23:45] they just are really hard and feel like theywill explode [23:45] it's quite painful [23:45] yikes [23:45] nix_chix0r: ouch [23:45] awww hes so cute [23:45] that lasts for about a week. and then it slowly tapers off after 4weeks [23:45] #breastware [23:45] :p [23:46] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.250) joined ##slackware. [23:46] mmmmmmmm hard [23:46] so how many times have you wanted to kill him so far? [23:46] spook, hahahah [23:46] tips for men with pregnant wifes.... don't touch her there for a week [23:46] thumbs: not even the boobies? :O [23:47] spook, nah he's so mellow [23:47] spook: apparently, it's very sensitive. [23:47] sleepytime, laters [23:47] good sensitive or bad? [23:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:48] Action: edman007 waves [23:48] spook: I'm not a women, don't look at me [23:48] Action: firebird619 waves hello to edman007 [23:48] spook, bad [23:48] hello [23:48] How are you edman007? [23:48] nix_chix0r, i got no ponies [23:48] heya,edman007 [23:48] firebird619, good...i hate laundry [23:48] edman007, i'm sorrry [23:48] I was assuming bad [23:49] MLanden, hi [23:49] nix_chix0r, will you do my laundry? [23:49] nix_chix0r: can i do you [23:49] and i graduate in ~180 hours [23:49] r laundry [23:49] So i went sky diving today! It was awesome! [23:50] agentc0re, but can you do laundry? [23:50] what an unfortunate carrige return [23:50] haha [23:50] spook: you must have done it on purpose. [23:50] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.181) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] haha [23:50] thumbs: Ruin the fun why don't you [23:50] :p [23:50] spook, only if hubby gives it the ok:P [23:50] thumbs: i did your mum [23:51] 's laundry on purpose [23:51] which means you gota do something for him ha [23:51] nix_chix0r: do you swing? [23:51] naw but he said i could have an affair if he approved of the person jokingly im sure [23:51] is he hung well? [23:52] he's far from an asian stereotype that's all you need to know [23:52] maan maybe its the lack of sleep but this is messed up [23:52] nix_chix0r: he might feel inferior. [23:52] MIGHT [23:53] caps ]= [23:53] lol [23:53] i imagine he might approve of me more if i had a smaller penis than he [23:53] compl3x: I don't think it's the lack of sleep. :) [23:53] good times [23:53] this is getting too far. [23:54] firebird619, hmm hope not [23:54] heh [23:54] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:54] thumbs, yeah [23:54] beer league is on soon [23:54] hmm so slackware eh.... hmm .. yeah... [23:54] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:54] i still didnt get it to boot from flash [23:54] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] if you guys were in the warhammer 40k universe, what race would you like to belong to? [23:54] i gota wait till my bandwidth limit drops som emore [23:55] i hate satellite they shouldn't give you a limit since it's not that fast [23:55] they have to traffic trade with other isps [23:56] nix_chix0r: Is that all you have access to? [23:56] firebird619, yeah [23:56] nix_chix0r: where are you, out in nowhere land? [23:56] well they base your limit to 30days from your last spike so if you torrent a lot one day it will spike up really high and slowly go down 30days from that date [23:56] i live in the woods in northern minnesota [23:56] sweet [23:57] nix_chix0r: I'm in SW Minnesota. [23:57] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-70-234-163-245.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] sure i could get dial up but i dont want a landline [23:57] Ugh, I'm in the same state as nix_chix0r. :(. Just kidding. :) [23:57] i have naked dsl [23:57] also a naked girl in my bed. [23:57] :O [23:58] dinooooooooomite [23:58] spook: if the later is true, what are you doing here in ##slackware. :) [23:58] shes sleeping in. [23:58] ah, I see. [23:58] if you catch my meaning. [23:58] :P [23:58] cheeky [23:59] heh mine was- but she buggered off home :/ [23:59] i got a router w/ dsl [23:59] so now im allll alloone [23:59] :P [23:59] Lexus1 (n=Lexus@62.165.60.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:59] erejre (n=hooh@190.166.114.183) left irc: "Leaving" [23:59] i think in a year or two i may move into town just for the cable again [23:59] nix_chix0r: what town are you closest to? [23:59] i have a router/dsl modem, but its in bridge mode, to my firewall which manages the pppoe [23:59] all totally wired xD [23:59] saving up to move out of state not sure where we are going but i'm thinking virginia state or colorado [00:00] --- Sun May 10 2009