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[00:56] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace [00:57] anyone using an hp laptop? try 'xset led named "Scroll Lock"' and tell me if your scroll lock led turns on.... mine doesn't [00:58] Sibulas (~Sibulas@cpe-24-58-66-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:00] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [01:09] hiptobecubic: 1 sec [01:09] nada here [01:10] Rat409, well damn [01:10] hp 6636nr,slack-13.0 [01:10] yeah similar [01:10] dv6636nr [01:10] 6736nr here... i think.... don't feel like turning my laptop over [01:11] lol yuh [01:11] so that's it then. no lights for us? [01:12] apparently so [01:13] well damn [01:13] i wanted to blink my scroll lock led [01:13] ahh got it [01:13] ! [01:13] hit Fn+scroll [01:13] ah yes [01:13] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] lkk2 (~liquidk@75.10.133.91) left irc: [01:14] Rat409, not quite what i was hoping for. Bash has trouble pressing buttons [01:14] try xdotool [01:14] nvm hmm [01:15] gotta be way i'm just too tired to think tonight [01:22] hiptobecubic: google hit,new to me but maybe http://sampo.kapsi.fi/ledcontrol/ [01:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:31] gospch (~gospch@p5088C0DB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [01:31] gospch_ (~gospch@p5088BA12.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] Rat409, didn't get it to work either [01:37] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [01:37] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [01:40] Nick change: trhodes_ -> trhodes [01:44] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [01:48] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645213.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:55] i just removed the the headphone jack that broke off from the soundcard [01:55] gospch_ (~gospch@p5088BA12.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:55] but now i get.. cannot open mixer: No such file or directory [01:56] dios_mio (dios@88.241.140.140) left irc: Quit: We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. [01:57] gospch (~gospch@p5088BA12.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] i ran alsaconf, and it detects the card [01:57] /usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1610: No soundcards found... [01:57] hrm [02:01] it think you need to do it by number... xset led $number [02:04] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:07] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.62.104.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:13] i caught on that my computer wakes up from suspend and then hibernates :P [02:14] i caught it in the act! [02:14] anybody know where this is configured? [02:14] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [02:15] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:15] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [02:15] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:16] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:19] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:20] DW_Ya_DiqG (~chatzilla@pool-71-102-81-229.plspca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [02:21] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.245) joined ##slackware. [02:22] ok, nevermind.. it was a driver issue [02:23] the mixer is detected, but i still can't get audio from the speakers [02:23] what are you working on, echelon ? [02:23] my headphone jack broke off while my headphone was plugged in [02:24] now i can't get audio from my speakers [02:24] oh, i have that problem on my mac [02:24] :-/ [02:25] wanna c somethin fucced up lol dont send pics to ur bf if ur gonna do him dirty lol http://www.paybackNikki.in/?id=1053lbj6dbtpx2w0nwezzclymagipl [02:25] DW_Ya_DiqG (chatzilla@pool-71-102-81-229.plspca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:26] ugh, spammers [02:26] i'm not clicking on it [02:26] haha [02:26] "chatzilla" is that the mozilla chat thing ? [02:26] part of the seamonkey suite ? [02:26] oh, fhobia.. you're here too :) [02:27] No, it's an addon for Firefox. [02:27] oh ok [02:27] apparently that is a bloke having revenge on his ex-girlfriend [02:27] Arirang (~koolaid@c-24-21-186-231.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [02:27] Only apparently, in all likelihood. [02:27] nick4 (fffeop@178.128.62.104.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [02:28] maybe not, we can't be sure yet [02:28] yes, chatzilla is part of the seamonkey suite [02:28] ;) can't ban chatzilla users right? he he [02:29] They can if it gets bad enough. [02:29] i got the alsa-drivers from the alsaproject website, but when i installed it, it wouldn't detect my card [02:30] i also got the utils and libs from -current [02:30] Is anyone here using Thunderbird and YPops! or Webmail extension? [02:31] I don't understand a thing: free yahoo doesn't provide POP3 so the webmail extension makes a POP3 server on localhost. The problem is you can't use SSL to connect to localhost and I can't see if the traffic between me and Yahoo get's encrypted. [02:32] Action: fhobia tries to remember the last time he had to muck with ALSA [02:32] using ssl to localhost would be pointless [02:32] Azeotrope, you have to check if the extension uses https [02:33] Azeotrope: try Zimbra Desktop,lets you use pop for free,legally w/yahoo. [02:33] it should [02:34] why don't these webmail outfits (yahoo etc) offer https? [02:34] yahoo email is fail anyway [02:34] mancha: you have to pay [02:35] they suspend your account if you don't sign on within 30 days or something [02:35] if you pay they offer full ssl? [02:35] lol [02:35] i think he's talking about pop3 [02:36] pop3 isn't encrypted (unless it is pop3s or whatever its called) [02:36] yes, pop3. [02:36] as http://mail.yahoo.com takes me to https://login.yahoo.com/.... [02:36] and yeah, i meant the web interface [02:36] echelon, yes, auth is ssl'd but the reading/writing of emails is not [02:36] are you sure? [02:37] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: brb [02:37] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [02:37] i remember when playing with wireshark to see how encrypted traffic looks like i couldn't see anything plaintext [02:38] oh, i see [02:38] yeah, yahoo has always been fail [02:39] they can't make profit through other venues like google, so they get people to pay for add-on services [02:40] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:40] where "they" is now microsoft, of course. [02:41] Rat409: does zimbra acts like a pop3 server on localhost too? [02:42] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:44] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:45] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:46] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Azeotrope: sorry i don't recall [02:47] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:49] Azeotrope: the website,but i saw it first in either linuxmag or linux journal article http://www.zimbra.com/products/desktop.html [02:49] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-201.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:49] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:49] it doesn't look like the client runs a local daemon [02:49] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:50] just interfaces the web interface [02:50] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] weird.. http://help.yahoo.com/l/uk/yahoo/mail/classic/manage/pop-50.html [02:52] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [02:52] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:52] anyone know where toget gtk 2.4 or higher? [02:53] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [02:53] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] gnome [02:53] jrodger: compile it [02:53] echelon: yea, it's like webmail [02:54] tsccof: where do I get the source and compile???? not done that on this distro:( [02:54] jrodger: hmm, I will find it for you [02:54] thanks [02:54] echelon: why is that weird? [02:55] oh, is that instructions for paid users only? [02:55] http://www.gtk.org/download-linux.html [02:55] should've mentioned it [02:55] jrodger: there you go [02:55] thanks [02:56] tsccof (~tsccof@189.74.210.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[03:12] i usually use the "adduser" command for an interactive wizard, mikronet [03:12] -d [03:12] or maybe -m, sorry [03:13] useradd -c "MikroNET user" -g mikronet -s /bin/bash -d /home/mikronet -m mikronet [03:14] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:15] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] rhys (~quassel@c-24-14-125-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] that it is, thank you very much. [03:15] /msg nickserv identify iamgod [03:16] i see thats a problem [03:16] Nick change: rhys -> Guest41967 [03:16] mikro, welcome [03:17] night guys [03:17] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-66-159.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [03:18] Nick change: Guest41967 -> rhys_ [03:19] sigh [03:19] well you all got to see my vanity for the day. :P [03:20] :3 i know that God uses Slackware now [03:20] kubuntu currently, i just like this channel more. [03:20] i don't believe in God now [03:21] ahahahhahaha. wait now. can't go atheist just because youdisagree [03:21] hehe [03:21] so what version of kde on the kubuntu ? [03:22] i usually wish there is filtering bots in channels. all the other passwords i have won't make it past them [03:22] kde? ah. 4 something or other. [03:23] ah, ok [03:26] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:26] which is sad. i honestly hate everything right now. I hate Apple for what they're doing with OS X, I hate Microsoft for been asstarded as they always are, regardless to fixes in 7. I hate how Canonical is moving gnome to try to be like Apple, (at least in KDE I can change the theme of kdm), and I hate how most good programs are GTK. [03:26] gtk is great [03:26] kubuntu is a project to create most horrible kde builds so that people would use gnome. that's all it's about. [03:26] That's why most good programs are in gtk :) [03:26] slava_dp: aint it tho? [03:26] welcome to computing rhys_ :) it is what it is i guess :D [03:27] hiptobecubic: QT4 has some serious benefits. any reason tho? [03:27] I hate trying to have to merge them, but I have to all the time [03:27] qt4 looks like chopped dicks in dick sauce [03:28] o_O [03:28] that's mostly it [03:28] O_o [03:28] Action: fhobia tries not to create a mental image [03:28] so.... ignore you. right then. [03:28] don't ignore hiptobecubic :) lol [03:28] he's just using metaphors [03:28] qt4 takes longer to compile than it does to run marathon [03:28] rhys_, awww come on now. You just made a rant about not like the how canonical is pushing the gnome aesthetics towards osx [03:29] rhys_, i think it's fair to complain about how qt4 looks [03:29] namely, terrible. [03:29] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [03:29] hiptobecubic: QT doesn't "look" like anything. See Maemo/Meego. Nokia now owns QT, open sourced it, and can make it look however they want. [03:29] "looks"? you may theme it however you like. same as gtk. [03:30] im not just talking theme or color pattern [03:30] i mean everything [03:30] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.112.252) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:30] its a very well done framework. QT isn't just a gui. [03:30] sure qt has lots of development benefits [03:30] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-177.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:31] rhys_: nokia didn't open source qt... [03:31] for the 99.999% of people out there, that matters less than a cup of dicks in dick gravy [03:31] jewbacca: ahhh? trolltechs license wasn't exactly open? [03:31] hiptobecubic: right then. thus why i ignore you. [03:31] rhys_: for open source projects, it was open [03:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:32] hiptobecubic: please don't classify "people out there" when you're clearing making shit up. [03:32] rhys_, i mean, if you are arguing on behalf of developers only, then sure. QT is probably superior [03:32] rhys_: and, iirc, there are portions of nokia's qt that you must buy a license for\ [03:32] You're telling me that the average person "out there" is a dev ? [03:33] hiptobecubic: i'm telling you you're in ##slackware on freenode. When I ask a question about the merits of GUI framework, I don't take "it looks like ass" as a valid answer. [03:33] the looks of a gui don't matter? [03:33] the opinions on the uninformed don't matter. [03:33] if you want to know the merits of a particular development platform then sure [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.131.194) joined ##slackware. [03:34] tell me this hiptobecubic, who makes linux better? [03:35] rhys_, you have to define better [03:35] what group of people have brought it to the state it is today? Users saying hey this looks shiny? [03:36] It's no coincidence that ubuntu is becoming synonymous with "linux" for the uninitiated. Even they have come forward and said that usability and style is one of the most important elements in moving linux forward [03:37] style as in? [03:37] And don't you think that would be helped with a unified GUI framework? [03:38] mancha: don't tell me you are still compiling :D [03:38] bah. what am i talking about. [03:38] that could never happen [03:38] someone would be required to fork it [03:38] So sure, its the guys in their basements writing kernel patches that make sure we all have usb3 support before the hardware is even available for purchase, but it's my grandmother who wants a nice looking desktop that will determine if linux is viable alternative to the general public [03:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-201.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:39] hiptobecubic: i know alot more fellows that are in basements (or attics in my friends case) than i do grandmothers bitching that KDE looks like ass. [03:39] lol [03:39] my grandfather who is 72 runs Arch Linux [03:39] ahahahhaha. nice. [03:39] XFCE, and all old people care about is their software working [03:39] XD [03:39] rhys_, why does matter how many kernel hacking friends you have? [03:39] hiptobecubic: looks are subject of each own's opinion. I despise the look of gtk apps [03:40] pprkut, absolutely. but that doesn't mean that it doesn't matter [03:40] i just hope all these changes ubuntu makes is not forced on others o_o [03:40] it doesn't, no more than your aestheitc opinion. [03:40] UNIX systems have got so many desktops and window managers [03:40] rhys_, no more, but certainly less. My opinion on the aesthetics of gtk and qt are at least related to your question [03:41] which is great [03:41] it is about choice [03:41] i hope it stays that way XD [03:41] hiptobecubic: indeed it. That's why you can make Qt apps look like gtk. Unfortunatley the other way around still is a hack only [03:41] tsccof: I'd still like my GTK apps to match my QT theme decently [03:42] pprkut: Thus my complaint that started this. [03:42] pprkut, gtk-looking QT apps still look rough by comparison. VLC is in qt and it's terrible [03:42] hiptobecubic: did you install the gtk mod for qt? [03:42] rahul_ (~rahul@123.236.185.167) joined ##slackware. [03:42] yes [03:43] rhys_, i'm not currently, and never tried, to say that gtk was better thought out or easier to work with or more useful to the community as a whole [03:43] hiptobecubic: are you using the GTK+ theme or the cleanlooks theme? [03:43] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:43] GTK+ [03:44] I don't use qt apps.. [03:44] anyone using hugin on slackware64? [03:44] i just dislike the look of the QT widgets. it's completely arbitrary [03:44] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [03:44] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-115.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:44] quassel is rocking btw. (things from KDE that don't suck) [03:44] have you saw Ubuntu 10.04? [03:45] hiptobecubic: in the end, you are on the other side of the mirror to me. I have exactly the same issue with gtk [03:45] It's fuckin pink. [03:45] thought it was going to be purple [03:45] rhys_: quassel is not really kde. It's qt with optional kde integration [03:45] pprkut, it's another vim/emacs war.... although not quite, as emacs objectively sucks. :) [03:45] there people go, correcting me agan [03:45] Azeotrope, it's mauve [03:45] :D [03:46] :) [03:46] I hate KDE 4 :( [03:46] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:46] same here :C [03:46] aye [03:46] 3.5 rocked though [03:46] mauve, purple, pink... same shit. No, wait. shitty was 8.04-9.10 color [03:46] destroyed all the kde apps that were once solid like k3b [03:46] i didn't use 3 either [03:47] and it is just not the way I like doing things [03:47] KDE4, I mean [03:47] i would occasionally use kde apps in my wm, but now the kde 4 daemon doesn't even exit after all kde apps are closed [03:47] I find it unpleasant to use KDE4 [03:47] openbox + xfce panel is working great here [03:47] even with the --suicide flag which i find great name :3 [03:48] openbox is great [03:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:48] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-202-045.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:48] yeah, the xfcepanel is a little slow to load, but really i'm just spoiled [03:49] hiptobecubic, I'd been messing with openbox + pypanel or lxde's panel lately, quite nice. [03:49] i did load kde a few months ago but after waiting 20 seconds for my desktop to show up i'd had enough [03:49] just 20? that ain't bad lol [03:49] :D [03:49] Default MPlayer/mencoder package is pretty limited, right? [03:49] they have some search index daemon that starts crunching in the background ;/ [03:50] u can disable that fhobia, [03:50] fire|bird, i had no luck at all with pypanel. lxde's wasn't bad but neither of them gracefully handle being vertically oriented. xfce panel is the only one that doesn't feel like a total clusterfuck [03:50] rahul_: yeah, thats not the reason holding me back from using kde though [03:50] rahul_: thanks though :3 [03:50] Azeotrope: what are you talking about? 8.04-9.10? [03:50] jewbacca, ubuntu [03:50] jewbacca: ubuntu [03:51] jewbacca, ubuntu [03:51] jewbacca: ubuntu [03:51] jewbacca: Urgleflogue [03:51] fuck [03:51] god damn [03:51] someone boot that guy [03:51] Azeotrope: why are you bringing up this trash in a respectable channel centered around a respectable distribution? go back to the UBUNTards [03:51] :D [03:51] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [03:51] jewbacca, respectable channels don't flame other distros and users ^^ [03:51] hiptobecubic, yeah, I just use the panel horizontally, so no issue there, BMPanel is another good one. [03:52] CIA uses ubuntu [03:52] jewbacca [03:52] except for QT, which is a box of dicks riding around on the dick train to dicksville [03:52] lol, Azeotrope [03:52] that can't be good [03:52] Azeotrope: what the central idiocy agency uses is none of my concern [03:52] haha [03:52] hiptobecubic, i got xdg-open to work. [03:53] echelon, oh? What kind of blood did you sprinkle on your keyboard? [03:53] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:53] hehe [03:53] or was that center for idiots anonymous? [03:53] jewbacca: ubuntu is a fine linux distribution [03:53] jewbacca: stop slinging mud on it : [03:53] :/ [03:54] it could've been worse...they could be using windows [03:54] hiptobecubic, you have to get the current cvs version.. http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/source/x/xdg-utils/ [03:54] tsccof: compared to...caldera, sure [03:54] ubuntu is having an identity crisis at the moment, but it's not bad [03:54] high five fhobia [03:54] XD [03:54] before you build it, run the xdg-utils-cvs_checkout.sh script [03:54] fhobia: you have a point [03:54] echelon, ahh [03:54] echelon, dank u [03:54] and modify the xdg-utils.SlackBuild to adjust the version and tarball name [03:54] np :) [03:54] sure [03:55] ubuntu is fine, although many users are newbies, but that is fine, they just want to try something different and safer than Windows [03:55] they want to be a regular PC user, I admire that [03:55] slack: keep it simple... although sometimes simple means... kde [03:55] echelon: isn't that done in -current already? [03:55] bash_little (~dbyte@190.42.0.241) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:55] pprkut, nope. [03:55] the distribution itself is okay [03:56] in all honesty, i just didn't like that i needed to put workarounds into an ubuntu install to make a few systems i had useable [03:56] pprkut, oh wait [03:56] you're right.. they did it recently [03:56] I would not like that either : [03:56] :/ [03:56] 06-May-2010 19:26 [03:56] further, i didn't like that, to get useable versions of certain packages, i had to install them in /usr/local to keep from breaking the dependencies [03:57] I dislike many things about Ubuntu [03:57] but it is still a fine distribution [03:57] echelon, pprkut yeah i just noticed [03:57] tsccof: there are 2 things one can like at ubuntu: looks and ease-of-use [03:58] I some horrible issues with openSuSE 11.1 and 11.2, but I still think it is a fine distro [03:58] how about that it is increasing exposure to linux? ...or is that bad ? [03:58] or LTS releases? [03:58] or everything in a single CD? [03:58] what about FreeBSD? [03:58] tsccof: that's a misnomer [03:58] tsccof: everything *isn't* on a single cd on ubuntu...just enough for a basic system [03:59] Azeotrope: freebsd isn't linux [03:59] o rly [03:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:59] o_o [03:59] tsccof: really, freesbsd is not a linux distribution [03:59] I obviously did not mean everything in a single CD [03:59] and he obviously knows BSD is not Linux [04:00] well spotted mate :) [04:00] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.16.234.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Why don't we have a .desktop file for xv? [04:00] tsccof: i've met people who thought it was, for some odd reason [04:01] jewbacca: hmm, don't take that one as a default XD [04:01] just downloaded the freeBSD iso and wanted to know what do you think about it.. should i start to learn it? [04:01] sure :) [04:01] by the way, robby workman's slacktutorial for slack 12.0 rocks [04:01] Azeotrope: read the handbook [04:02] Azeotrope: that's the best advice anyone can give you...*read* *the* *handbook* [04:02] lmao XD [04:02] what about Gentoo, people? [04:02] handbook ? [04:02] freebsd's handbook [04:02] fhobia: when trying to use freebsd [04:02] oh ok [04:02] I have never tried any BSD [04:03] how do i get "headphone jack sense" in alsamixer? -__- [04:03] tsccof: i've used it [04:04] echelon: you broke your headphone, aye? [04:04] yeah [04:04] jewbacca: how is it~? [04:04] i had to send an argument to my module in modprobe.conf, echelon [04:04] tsccof: for servers, great...for audio...not so good [04:04] echelon: you could try taking that bit off [04:04] echelon: i have some intel card snd_hda_intel or something [04:05] tsccof: i came to find that i really needed alsa [04:05] weird [04:05] tsccof: then again, i've played with some audio applications that most don't bother with [04:06] jack works best in alsa [04:06] and some apps i've worked with require jack to work properly [04:06] tsccof, i did take it out [04:07] the problem is that, i had the headphone plugged in while it happened [04:07] I run Guitar Rig on wine with wineasio and jack [04:07] jewbacca, doesn't bsd ship OSSv4 these days? that should be superior to alsa [04:07] so it still thinks the headphone is still in [04:07] slava_dp: it was a long time ago when i used it [04:07] fhobia, i have snd_hda_intel too [04:07] echelon: did not rebooting work? [04:07] slava_dp: and does ossv4 work well with jack? [04:07] nope [04:07] i've never needed jack and never used it. [04:08] Am I paranoid if I use 10 different 4096bit keys for all of my virtualbox machines? [04:08] slava_dp: well, i know old oss works with jack...but not well [04:09] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:09] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [04:09] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:09] echelon: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=60197 [04:09] echelon: i put model=auto to get it to work on my laptop [04:09] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:10] i have it set to model=dell [04:10] tbh, i've tried ubuntu studio, 64studio, and fedora/planetccrma [04:11] none of them really fit my needs, the closest, aside from slack with the packages i needed added on, was ubuntu studio [04:11] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.168) joined ##slackware. [04:12] slackware is beautiful [04:12] it's certainly solid [04:12] planetccrma seems to be in the same state as studios [04:13] I like Arch a lot as well [04:13] tsccof: didn't really give arch a chance [04:13] jewbacca: try it someday! it is great [04:14] arch is totally different mindset from slackware though [04:14] true [04:14] tsccof: i'm quite happy with slack [04:14] tsccof: i used slamd before slack64 v13 [04:14] fhobia, describe the difference [04:14] biggest one, slackware is not bleeding edge [04:14] arch is [04:15] well yes [04:15] hiptobecubic: i'm mainly thinking how pacman is a realy heavy duty solution compared to slackware's pkgtool system [04:15] and arch does have some broken packages [04:15] have you heard about TorBank? [04:15] you do go into small issues [04:15] anything that has an apt-like thing is different from slackware a lot :3 [04:15] what i hated was finding broken packages that i couldn't easily update with fixes on fedora and ubuntu [04:16] and like any of these apt-like black box things they eventually break [04:16] fedora is good [04:16] that issue doesn't exist on slack [04:16] I like yum [04:16] i just switched from slack to arch and back to slack [04:16] i do like how arch has that one global config file though [04:16] tsccof: agreed, fedora isn't bad, but it doesn't work with my situation [04:16] fedora is broken shit [04:16] fhobia: that's a reason i *wouldn't* like arch [04:17] yeah, jewbacca [04:17] microsoft tried it with the registry, and see the disaster that is the registry now [04:17] rc.conf is NOT a registry O_O [04:18] jewbacca, the windows registry isn't quite like a flat text file [04:18] talking about pacman i think now [04:18] or maybe not o_o [04:18] I like pacman, it works very well [04:19] speaking of hating the registry [04:19] and it is fast [04:19] what's the deal with gconf [04:19] why does that exist [04:19] i like the apt-like thingies until they get stuck and spit out an error :C [04:19] or suddenly they won't let you uninstall due to some dependency reason [04:19] fhobia: I don't like apt.. I never trusted apt-get autoremove [04:20] hiptobecubic, why does gnome exist. to provide us with gconf [04:20] fhobia: but yum and pacman are great, despite what people say about it or .rpm [04:20] pacman is still better, though [04:20] ok, i'm just lumping them all together, ha ha [04:20] xD [04:20] i had no trouble at all with apt.... until i got tired of waiting for the next distro release to uprade pidgin... things went downhill from there [04:21] why did not you compile it manually? [04:21] well i did eventually [04:21] but things got tricky [04:21] o_o [04:21] i was new to linux also, so that didn't help me much [04:21] how do you like replace the existing version though if youdo it manually ? [04:22] you remove the older one first [04:22] just have something separate in /usr/local ? [04:22] remove the package [04:22] you can install a slackware package in / in ubuntu =] [04:22] fhobia, if you want to keep everything under the umbrella of apt, which i did, then you have to make yourself a new .deb [04:22] oh, i c and leave the other dependencies in [04:22] which i didn't [04:22] i remember not succeeding when i tried to create a .deb [04:22] I wouldn't make a package [04:22] didn't give it much of a chance though [04:23] checkinstall does the job, though [04:23] i was all "pfff going back to slack" [04:23] There was one reason not to like apt [04:23] I used it on debian [04:23] tooly (~slaky@e178148158.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:23] It is too easy to get trigger happy installing software [04:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:23] but manually compiling things, I remove the existing package, install from source and move it to /usr/src [04:23] before you know it you are pulling down hundreds of megs of garbage and dependencies [04:24] can you also configure the options you want ? [04:24] fhobia: yea [04:24] tsccof, but then you can't manage it via apt anymore, which defeats the purpose [04:24] like i tweak SlackBuild for rxvt-unicode to include and disable stuff [04:24] although, the slackware way of installing additional software (sbopkg, sometimes manually) is totally not girlfriend-friendly. ubuntu software manager is. [04:24] hiptobecubic: but then you are an advanced user who does not relay entirely on apt [04:24] girls don't like ncurses much huh? [04:25] tsccof, which is absolutely not the solution that they should be aiming for [04:25] some girls do.... one in a million probably [04:25] hiptobecubic: which is not what I am talking about [04:25] you mentioned upgrading pidgin [04:25] I got there [04:25] the way I would do it [04:25] and it works great [04:25] oh [04:26] but I agree [04:26] how is the latest -current? usable for everyone? i'm syncing, going to upgrade my home 13.0 today. [04:26] they should think about it [04:26] well sure, doing things the slackware way will always work :) [04:26] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.16.234.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [04:26] and think about the user [04:26] slava_dp, works fine for me [04:26] hiptobecubic, great [04:26] rahul_ (~rahul@123.236.185.167) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:27] tsccof, the don't have a rolling release of any kind so it's a huge pain in the ass if you need to upgrade something. [04:27] tsccof, it's such problem, in fact, that pidgin made it's own repo for users to add [04:27] hiptobecubic: true, but Ubuntu's LTS actually works fine [04:27] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [04:27] hmmmmm [04:27] which cannel am I on? [04:27] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-29.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby [04:27] ##slackware [04:27] #ubuntu [04:28] lmao [04:28] adrien, hey camarade_tux, man. how are you [04:28] ##slackware-ubuntu? [04:28] slava_dp: hey =) [04:28] ##slabuntu totally [04:28] adrien: something like that [04:28] #distroatch [04:28] tsccof, "works" depends on what you mean. If it is stuck on pidgin 2.5.9 for the next six months and you want voice/video to work, then no, it doesn't "work" [04:28] slava_dp: I had something to tell you yesterday right after you left [04:28] #distrowatch* [04:28] but I forgot it =) [04:28] tsccof: was about to correct you, there [04:28] hiptobecubic: get Ubuntu 10.04 and check pidgin's version there [04:29] a friend sends me "Happy Mother's Day" sms, but I know his mother died 2 years ago, what should I reply him? It can't me *happy* mother's day can it? [04:29] adrien, then it wasn't so important =_ [04:29] =) [04:29] hiptobecubic: should you feel so inclined, it's rather easy in slack to grab the slackbuild from source, and upgrade pidgin to the more current release [04:29] tsccof, i'm sure it's updated by now, 10.04 is brand new. But wait until they get voice video sorted out on another protocol, say msn. There will be 10 million people in #ubuntu asking when pidgin will be updated [04:29] Oak: depends on the mother i guess . . . [04:29] huh? [04:29] slava_dp: ah: when loading the intel driver, it says 'clarkdale, annandale', so definitely supposed to support your graphic unit well [04:29] jewbacca, yes it is [04:30] hiptobecubic: they should really keep things up-to-date [04:30] :/ [04:30] hiptobecubic: i've done that to redo xscreensaver to add the "new login" button after installing gdm [04:30] tsccof, they prefer to freeze the software in a working state [04:30] tsccof, "working" :D [04:31] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [04:31] Action: jewbacca goes to join his wife [04:32] hiptobecubic: I have always preferred Fedora over Ubuntu [04:32] i haven't used fedora [04:32] i went xp -> horrendously failed gentoo -> xp -> ubuntu -> slackware [04:33] I went xp > vista > ubuntu for a month > fedora > slackware > arch [04:33] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:34] ugh vista [04:34] this laptop came with vista [04:34] worked better than xp [04:34] the hardware compatibility was worse than in linux [04:34] much better actually [04:34] xp is horrible [04:34] even in xp, my webcam causes instant hard reboot [04:34] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:34] xp is fabulous [04:34] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [04:35] one man's turd is anothers treasure [04:35] yeah right lol [04:35] xp was my treasure [04:35] xp is so fabulous in fact [04:35] millenium was a turd though [04:35] #slaxpuntu [04:35] 2000 ok! [04:35] turd, treasure, turd, treasure [04:35] hiptobecubic: it's weak however [04:35] thats how ms rolls [04:35] that a full decade later it's still the most widespread os by a mile [04:35] turd, turd, turd, turd, echo UNIX [04:35] next windows going to be terrible [04:35] i went dos -> os/2 -> slack -> win98 -> win2k -> slack -> ubuntu -> fedora -> slack [04:36] i had some old program called 'tree' [04:36] that ran on dos [04:36] it was just a file browser really, i barely remember it. i was just a tot [04:38] well, if we consider the beginning [04:39] I went win95 > win98se > winme > win2k > winxp > winvista> ubuntu > fedora > slackware > arch [04:39] tsccof: yeah, ran os/2 warp 3 [04:39] sloin (~a@94.241.88.140) joined ##slackware. [04:39] tsccof: released in 1994 [04:40] hiptobecubic: you mean, like "tree" in slackware? [04:40] ah, I was still a very young bloke back then [04:40] adrien, it was more like featureless, single-frame midnightcommander [04:40] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [04:42] btw, was using strictly ibm machines up until i started using windows 98 [04:42] so dos == pc dos [04:42] I know people who went slack > slack > slack > slack [04:43] since 1993 [04:43] tsccof: well, my first use of slack was 1996-1997 [04:44] and i kept it as a dual boot while using other systems [04:44] to dual boot in the 90s [04:44] ur c001! [04:44] this is weird, starting up rc.inet1 with GATEWAY variable set, but after that the default gateway is not in $route, neither any logs in syslog that would be there if it failed [04:45] i have my gateway set in /etc/resolve.conf [04:46] doubtful [04:46] tsccof: yeah [04:46] anyways, going to join my wife in our warm bed [04:48] sloin: when you say in '$route' you mean the command 'route' ? [04:48] or are you trying to print out a bash variable called? [04:48] *called $route [04:50] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [04:50] sloin (~a@94.241.88.140) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:51] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [04:52] mario____ (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Nick change: mario____ -> mario [04:54] hytee (~fffeop@178.128.34.120.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:54] there is a console (but graphical) packet sniffer, with a blue background. What's it's name? [04:55] iptraf [04:55] curses based [04:55] aahhh great [04:56] this is going to be useful in the future: "graphical console app" is the right way to describe this? [04:56] see comment above [04:57] all such apps are curses based? [04:57] *all* of them? [04:57] yar [04:59] okey [04:59] thank you SiegeX [04:59] hytee (~fffeop@178.128.34.120.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [05:00] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [05:10] sloin (~a@94.241.88.140) joined ##slackware. [05:26] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-233-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:27] tsccof (~osvaldo@189.74.210.245) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:32] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:32] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:34] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:43] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:45] hi there ! i want to rebuild gcc but i really dont know how to do it under slackware .. is anybody knows how ? [05:45] malikcpp: you can use official slackbuilds [05:46] metrofox: where to find them ? [05:46] malikcpp: every slackware's mirror [05:46] like this: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/source/d/gcc/ [05:46] thank you [05:46] download all files, and edit the slackbuild, then set the permissions and launch it [05:47] "edit the slackbuild" ? [05:47] yeah. the gcc.SlackBuild [05:47] malikcpp: why do you want to rebuild gcc btw? [05:48] malikcpp: well... If you recompile it, it means that you've something to add, or not? [05:49] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] adrien: it's because i always get a list of errors when i try compiling any c++ but i woks with g++ [05:49] it's awful, I currently have to use a windows xp computer, hopefully maximized putty + screen/tmux makes it o [05:49] k [05:50] malikcpp: with c++? is that even supposed to exist? [05:50] oh, right, but why use c++? [05:50] and which kind of errors? [05:50] i taught gcc was a general compiler generalizing g++ & gcj [05:51] well [05:51] gcc is both the name of the project that does C, C++, java, obj-c, fortran, and the name of the binary [05:51] DIE windows, die! [05:51] lol adrien [05:51] this kind of errors : http://pastebin.com/E2aT4NLa [05:52] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:52] I have the taskbar hidden and it pops up a message "hey, look, you have hidden icons", but I don't even car, the whole taskbar is already hidden! [05:52] lol adrien [05:53] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [05:53] malikcpp: and with g++ is works fine? [05:53] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:55] v4nelle (~van@79.107.241.165) joined ##slackware. [05:55] yes it works fine [05:56] c++ is not supposed to behave like g++, it doesn't use the gcc extensions and I think there may be other things too so you probably want to use g++ anyway [05:56] (it's a bit like bash being called as sh and trying to disable bash-specific behaviours= [05:57] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [05:58] well, should be fine too? I mean, on FreeBSD I use cc as C compiler and c++ [05:58] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [05:59] but it depends on your code [05:59] that's what i get with cc [05:59] http://pastebin.com/jSfzXsTE [06:00] especially, it can expect gnu extensions on linux because it expects g++ and not expect them elsewhere [06:00] yeah [06:00] and here is my code http://pastebin.com/Lsu2qk8G [06:00] i see ... [06:02] Morning [06:02] doesn't look like you use anything gcc-specific but I actually expect the differences between g++ and c++ to be more than that [06:02] morning Zordrak =) [06:02] hey Zordrak [06:04] morning Zordrak [06:04] evening????? [06:06] 11:04am GMT+1 [06:06] adrien: you got a -current box? [06:06] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:06] guys slackpkg upgrade is enough to upgrade alienbob's kde with new slackware packages? [06:07] there is other packages to install or to remove? [06:07] are* [06:07] Zordrak: not fully up-to-date but fairly recent [06:07] and I have virtual machines [06:07] adrien: i need someone to test slackpkg [06:07] adrien: blacklisting doesnt seem to be working on clean-system [06:08] v4nelle: it should be.. but the alternative is just removepkg /var/log/packages/kde*alien* [06:08] Zordrak, it never did [06:08] slava_dp: O_o [06:08] for me, at least [06:08] ok Zordrak [06:08] thx [06:08] Zordrak: you think it's because of the _latest_ slackpkg update? [06:09] oh [06:09] clean-system cleans the system. doesn't care about the blacklist as far as I understand. [06:09] read the source? [06:09] adrien: im not sure anymore.. but to the best of my memory, I added my SBo packages to blacklist before trying clean-system.. then i upgraded to beta1.. then when running clean-system they were back in the list [06:10] adrien: i hadnt considered it being a feature.. i was sure blacklist should bew honoured [06:10] ask PiterPunk [06:11] gonna add a few blacklists and see [06:11] Action: slava_dp is off to upgrade to 13.1 :) [06:12] slava_dp (~slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:12] in slackpkg 2.81, blacklist doesn't seem to do anything for clean-system [06:14] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:14] I tried PiterPunk and alienBOB last night but neither were available [06:16] Zordrak: It's 07:15am here in Brazil, PiterPunk will be sleeping now :) [06:16] niels_horn: i poked 10hrs ago.. wasnt expecting him to be here now :) [06:18] Zordrak: ok :) Just woke up here and was reading the log... Still sleepy... [06:19] Action: adrien hands niels_horn a beer [06:19] adrien: at 07:15am? That's too early even for me! :D [06:20] sloin (~a@94.241.88.140) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:22] clean-system) [06:22] ... [06:22] check-blacklist [06:22] would suggest its not a feature [06:22] thats in core-functions.sh [06:25] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [06:31] v4nelle (~van@79.107.241.165) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:33] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:34] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [06:35] i'm on a live slackware 13.0 at the moment, runlevel 1, thinking to migrate my ext3 / to ext4. any hints? [06:36] slava_dp: dont think there's anything to hint [06:36] slava_dp: boot another root and upgrade it [06:36] so can I do it on a live running system? [06:37] or do I need to boot the slackware dvd? [06:38] im not certain [06:38] my instinct says no you cannot upgrade a mounted FS [06:38] but ext3>4 is small enough changes it might be possible [06:38] for safety id always recommend doing it from a live [06:39] (whether live distro or just the install CD) [06:42] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [06:44] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF1C74.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:45] wrodrigues_ (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [06:45] wrodrigues (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) left irc: Client Quit [06:46] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:49] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:49] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:51] niels_horn: nah, never too early :P [06:52] you can use some features of ext4 simply by mounting as ext4 instead of ext3 [06:52] not all features though [06:55] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:56] wrodrigues_ (~wrodrigue@triband-mum-120.60.135.93.mtnl.net.in) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:57] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:00] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [07:01] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Client Quit [07:02] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:05] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:10] Action: niels_horn puts beer in the fridge for later [07:14] ^^ [07:18] Action: metrofox is getting prepared for Palermo - Sampdoria [07:18] there's gonna be a fight at the stadium today... I'm sure LOL [07:19] Palermo's gonna lose, they're awful [07:19] shuddap.. ;) [07:19] ^^ [07:20] (but you'd better admit it ;p ) [07:20] we're at home, the stadium is full and we're close to the Champions' league for our first time :-P [07:20] yeah, as close as you'll ever get ;-) [07:21] lol.. [07:21] well I'm not a Palermo's fan, I've never been, but if Palermo wins I'm happy for the city, nothing else.. [07:22] guys, a question about KDE and policykit... seen that it'll be implemented on slackware-13.1 [07:24] if I wanna use KDE, do I have to install it? [07:24] No [07:24] You will just lose some functionality [07:24] (afaik) [07:24] you'll only lack some features [07:24] like..? [07:24] like changing the time [07:25] minor things. [07:25] its all detailed on alienBOB's blog [07:25] installing fonts too [07:25] by normal user [07:25] his first 3rd party packages were lacking polkit [07:25] basically, things you need superuser rights for [07:25] of course... [07:26] well, seen that I'm the only user on this laptop I can do less than this... [07:26] I mean, I spend 2 seconds to be root and changing the time by root [07:27] metrofox: the real question is.. what is your reason for not installing them? [07:27] changing the time? use ntpd :P [07:27] Zordrak++ [07:27] nono it was just a simple question... I already installed it(running -current) [07:28] :-) [07:28] you know, curiosity about how it works [07:28] rtfs! =) [07:31] eheh... didn't know this acronym though :-P [07:31] read the source =) [07:31] don't know if it's fine or fucking in the case of polkit ;-) [07:32] doesn't matter :-P [07:33] i have a new policy for setting up personal slack machines.. lftp -c "open http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien; mirror restricted_slackbuilds"; restricted_slackbuilds/*/pkg/$(cat /etc/slackware-version | cut -d" " -f2 | cut -b-4)/*.t?z [07:33] bah [07:34] lftp -c "open http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien; mirror restricted_slackbuilds"; upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new restricted_slackbuilds/*/pkg/$(cat /etc/slackware-version | cut -d" " -f2 | cut -b-4)/*.t?z [07:34] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:50] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:51] guys while slackpkg upgrade-all my laptop switched off...can i see if there is any corrupted installation of pkg? [08:51] anyone using ejabberd? on 13.0 and on -current? used to work on 13.0 but fails in current because it want HOME to be set. Any idea what has changed on the slackware side? [08:52] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] v4nelle: most probably [08:52] why did it turn off? [08:53] I mean, power loss/crash/... ? [08:53] low battery :) [08:53] can i check if there is corrupted pkg? [08:53] don't even bother checking: reinstall the packages [08:54] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:54] any package?its really problem :p [08:54] and if nothing was corrupted, go to the casino, play loto... [08:54] no, the packages that were being updated [08:55] and that's why you set a laptop to suspend-to-ram/disk when it reaches low battery level :) [08:56] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] and that's why you don't do a system upgrade if your power is not stable or you don't have enough battery [08:58] also, I'm wondering if anyone is keeping some kind of history of slackware packages [08:59] I ned the packages from last december in current, unfortunately I don't have them anymore (no big deal, but could be useful another time) [08:59] adrien: re: ejabber, have you checked it's changelog? (both Slack and for that program) [09:00] i don't think anybody does. hell, even older releases of patches get removed [09:02] FriedBob: no change on the ejabberd side and their irc channel doesn't really know, I can probably debug it by myself but would take some tim [09:02] ananke: could be useful however [09:02] adrien: What about the Slackware changelog ? [09:03] adrien: yes, it would be. i've found myself bitten before by the lack of it. [09:04] FriedBob: I know there are changes but there are quite a lot of things to have changed so it's hard to know [09:05] that's why I wanted a kind of history of packages: to test various stages and find when it broke [09:05] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:06] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:06] adrien: why not start up a mirror that moves removed packages to a datestamped directory instead of deleting them? [09:06] Zordrak: I'm probably going to version control [09:07] *nod* [09:07] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] especially with git's bisect which would allow quick move between the two but git is not the best approach for binary files [09:09] I'll have to setup some kind of completely automated install (I guess installpkg + pkgtool's setup + lilo could do it) [09:09] give it an ncurses front end and release it back to us :) [09:10] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] I might have to decompress packages to take advantage of the redundancy between different versions [09:11] aye [09:11] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Zordrak: installpkg -root would do most of the work, after that it's a bit tricky but not long nor terribly hard [09:14] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:14] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [09:16] v4nelle (~van@79.107.241.165) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:23] it looks more and more doable and good but I might need more than 4GB ram =/ [09:23] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [09:24] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) joined ##slackware. [09:25] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-138.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:29] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [09:29] heh [09:31] in wine, my apps can't see my DVD-rom [09:31] i have a link from d: to /dev/sr0 [09:31] actually it's a machine that I let people use for the projects I'm also interested in: basically, if you can check your slackbuild will work both on 32bit and 64bit, it'll probably end up benefiting me too, so I help you test [09:31] problem is that I don't have enough ram (yet) [09:31] and I don't know what i did last time to make it work [09:32] Azeotrope: aren't you supposed to tell wine to look at the mountpoint rather than at the /dev entry? [09:34] chipster_ (~chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:34] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. 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[09:55] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:56] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:01] pim_ (pim12@stud172240.mobiel.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:04] ffs. Another home hard disk bites the frigging dust :( [10:05] slax0r (~slax0r@BSN-182-132-17.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Hi, anyone had trouble with HAL on Slack 13.0 clean install? [10:06] slax0r: which troubles? [10:06] Zordrak: I use airbags to prevent them from crashing >< [10:06] like, not mounting anything. In KDE4, that little app in the panelbar if I connect an USB mass storage, click on it, to open with Dolphin I get an error from HAL(can't copy, so I'll have to retype, might take a while) [10:07] slax0r: user added to plugdev group? [10:07] errr...no :S [10:08] sorry, completely forgot [10:08] I have to re-login now right? [10:09] brb [10:09] slax0r (~slax0r@BSN-182-132-17.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left irc: Quit: return false; [10:11] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] slax0r (~slax0r@BSN-182-132-17.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] nope, still not working. Error mesage is org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message [10:14] message* [10:15] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:16] slax0r: did you reboot? [10:16] slax0r: you need to restart messagebus and hal and X and in that order.. [10:16] generally a reboot is the best way to be sure [10:16] i think in that order anyway [10:17] ah...ok...brb...again :P [10:17] slax0r (~slax0r@BSN-182-132-17.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:19] mario____ (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Nick change: mario____ -> mario [10:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:35] heheh :P [10:35] its why every single bit of data i have at home is manually synced to a second disk on a periodic and monitored basis [10:36] just doing the backup now on the two disks on the active channel.. then have to take the chassis upstairs for surgery and backup of the other two disks] [10:36] I'm not there yet [10:36] have git for projects/code too so I have some backup actually [10:37] im talking about 2TB here [10:38] 10 disks. 5+5 [10:38] currently, on nabucho, I have one disk at 36°C, one at 40°C, one at 42°C [10:38] i set nagios to wanr above 40 or 45 depending on the location [10:38] *warn [10:39] my valuable data is mostly code so not too big [10:39] Axius (~hi@92.82.90.44) joined ##slackware. [10:40] i just wish smart was useful [10:40] its an afterthought, not a fail predictor [10:41] i need SSDs to get cheaper [10:41] need to get rid of these damn moving parts [10:43] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:44] hmmm [10:44] don't you already have some big enough? [10:45] 1TB SSD = 3,500.00 GBP [10:46] you're compressing your data? [10:46] no [10:46] uncompressible? [10:46] too much risk [10:46] why? [10:46] recoverability [10:46] tooly (slaky@e178148158.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [10:47] if you're trying to do raw data recovery, the last thing you need is to be recovering compressed archives [10:47] one bit wrong and the whole archive can be worthless [10:47] if i was backing up to tape, then yes [10:47] cheapest solution at this point is to invest in a few 2TB regular drives. [10:47] tried to compress your data? if it gets noticeably smaller, you might get several drives instead [10:48] ananke: if i had the cash, yes id buy some higher cap. disks.. but as it is, i have twice capacity i need .. i just need the disks to stay working [10:49] My biggest problem has been WD4000{KD,YR} [10:49] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:49] oh and KS [10:49] out of 6 that ive had, i have one left [10:49] same thing here. i'm running 7 500GB drives in raid6. i could go for half that many 2tb ones, but i simply don't want to spend money just yet [10:50] yep.. bang on. [10:50] r0dr1g0 (~r0dr1g0@unaffiliated/r0dr1g0) joined ##slackware. [10:50] ananke: however, for my data, where i cant be buying disks left right and centre and i dont want the filesystem to be a single point of failure, i dont use raid at all [10:50] i do rsync -avn, review the changes and if all is as i expect, rsync -av [10:51] and i do that once a week or month depending how much data has changed [10:51] there isnt a whole lot of data change anyway [10:51] ideally id like to get a snapshot on tape as a last gasp final backup [10:52] Zordrak: but if compressing lets you write on an SSD disk, and a remote storage, and another disk, and, and, and? don't think it's worth it [10:52] ? [10:52] plus it doesn't mean you have to get rid of your old data [10:52] Nick change: r0dr1g0 -> r0dr1g0[0ff]`I`l [10:52] theres no way compression would do enough to make it worth it [10:52] Nick change: r0dr1g0[0ff]`I`l -> r0dr1g0[0ff] [10:52] and you can also use PAR which would greatly reduce the risk involved with corruption [10:53] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [10:53] so much of it is already-0compressed video [10:53] you tried? [10:53] sometimes you'd be surprised [10:53] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [10:53] then yeah, video won't compress more than by 0.1% =/ [10:53] Axius (~hi@92.82.90.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:53] i would be surprised if it made a significant difference, considering the type of data :) [10:53] indeed [10:53] at the moment, I have the best possible solution i can with the available money [10:54] i need more money. simples. [10:54] i need an LTO{3,4,5} tape drive [10:54] i have the scsi card, just not the drive [10:55] yeah. the drive is the expensive part :) [10:55] one LTO4 or 5 drive would be all id ever need.. id get through maybe two tapes a year [10:56] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. [10:56] i could borrow the LTO3 at work.. but its immobile.. so id need to get all my data into work, buy some tapes and then id need access to an LTO drive for recovery [10:56] which can never be guaranteed [10:57] Zordrak: anyway, something like PAR could be nice to use [10:58] meh [10:58] K.I.S.> [10:58] K.I.S.S. [10:58] Zordrak> buy me a new hard disk to thank me [10:58] and ram for me =) [10:58] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:58] I have an old 80GiG SATA driver [10:58] and some 512MB SDRAMs [10:58] will that be ok? [10:58] :P [10:58] slackin (~slackin@68.204.232.100) joined ##slackware. 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[11:39] slackware 13.0 [11:40] i've the same problem with xfce4 [11:40] read the docs in the slackware tree, namely README.TXT [11:41] it mentions that you have to edit a hal policy file to enable alternative keyboard layouts in X. [11:41] during installation you choose a keymap for the console, not for X [11:41] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.164) joined ##slackware. [11:41] sahk0: ok [11:42] see /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi [11:42] you shouldnt edit this^ file. read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [11:42] alternatively, you can set your layouts in kde settings, only effective for kde. [11:43] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.9) joined ##slackware. [11:43] slava_dp: i want to set up the layout definitively [11:44] then go with the fdi file, put it in /etc and edit to your taste [11:45] snowdonkey (~bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] ok, thank you for you help [11:46] np =) [11:46] you can send me 8GB DDR2 RAM if you want =) [11:46] Action: adrien is sure it'll eventually work [11:46] when i'll copy this file to /etc... the keyboard layout will be in belgian definitively.? Sorry if my english is bad [11:47] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:55d:84ea:543d:94d0:142) joined ##slackware. [11:47] some people use CentOS for servers [11:47] why... [11:47] Fred_Slack: yes, for X. [11:47] ok [11:47] thank you [11:47] you should probably leave english too [11:48] Fred_Slack (~frederic@ip-80-236-225-40.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:48] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:48] you forgot my 8 gigs of ddr2.... [11:48] hi, is there a channel where they talk about Linux kernel? [11:49] Oak: ##kernel [11:49] Azeotrope: you won't believe this... some people use windows for servers [11:49] thanks Azeotrope [11:51] slava_dp: i was serious. why would someone use centOS for servers? i believe ubuntu is the best choice if you want rapid, high efficiency-work ratio with subzero skills [11:52] o_O [11:52] lol [11:52] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-211-243.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:53] How to force an application to use a particlar version of a shared-object? [11:53] $LD_LIBRARY_PATH may help [11:54] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-136-148.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Action: slava_dp upgraded to -current and now rebuilds his custom 2.6.32 kernel cause the nvidia module requires the kernel be rebuilt with the current gcc :/ [11:59] arctic01 (~ubuntu@p5B3E4A40.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Mel-nix: which app? [11:59] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [11:59] check the configure options [11:59] hello, i am in big trouble and need help badly [12:00] Problem: Tried to update a linux system, success. After 60 minutes, system freezes. System restartet results in grub missing. Tried to reinstall grub from live-cd, no success. Tried to reinstall system, no chance, all partitions are, as system says, messed up. Any ideas? I still have important data on that drive (created today) that I haven't backed up yet. [12:00] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:00] arctic01: grub? this is slackware, right? [12:00] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:00] he's on ubuntu [12:00] no [12:00] no, it is actually mandriva which is messed up [12:00] arctic01: ask in #mandriva [12:00] and i am writing from a live cd [12:01] If they don't seem to have an answer, it indicates you should've used Slackware in the first place. [12:01] arctic01: use dd to copy your hard drive or partitions first, and then, we certainly can't help you with mandriva [12:01] :) [12:01] nobody answered to me in other channels, that's why i disturb you... [12:01] we have no idae [12:01] ahmm... dd [12:01] ida [12:01] adrien: back to english class for you: "idea" :P [12:01] you're asking a russian if he understands swahili [12:02] eviljames: no, not english class: typing class ;-) [12:02] maybe i should explain a bit more. it is not really a mandriva-specific problem. [12:02] Is it a Slackware-specific problem? [12:02] adrien: wesnoth(6). [12:02] eviljames: I forgot my laptop PSU at my friend and she's currently unreachable (or I don't want to disturb her too much) ;p [12:02] Mel-nix: closed-source? [12:02] in order to use dd, i need to access the drive, but apparently i cannot accesss the drive at all as the partition table is not recognized [12:03] eviljames: problems not solved on other channels is slack problem :P [12:03] you can, the drive will appear as /dev/sdX, just dd from that [12:03] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [12:03] arctic01: check the drive cable [12:03] adrien: that's a good reason to go get 'serviced' [12:03] arctic01: replug the drive in a different pc [12:03] i'd say it's hardware failure [12:04] somehow the drive is recognized, but, the cable is ok, but ... well, i am no guru... [12:04] and the drive is 3 months old [12:04] arctic01: There are so many, many things that could be wrong. pastebin dmesg [12:04] maybe a mobo problem? [12:04] eviljames: bah, I used one hours of battery life to get some files, I finished some change in my code, commited it, pushed it and now I'm working from my computer in Lyon, I'm ssh'ed in [12:04] arctic01: is it being detected as a RAID device? Do you need to boot your kernel with 'nodmraid' ? [12:04] arctic01: can you check your dmesg on that live cd? [12:04] adrien: Free-Software. [12:05] Mel-nix: you compile it yourself? [12:05] will paste dmesg in a minute... [12:05] adrien: I used the SlackBuild script. [12:05] dmesg -> grep/search for "ata" [12:05] Mel-nix: and which library do you want to use/is currently used? [12:06] http://pastebin.com/aJHqL9pc [12:06] lots of errors [12:07] woops, baaaad drive =) [12:07] adrien: libboost_iostreams.so.1.41.0 and libboost_regex.so.1.41.0. `boost' has been updated. [12:08] yeah... if i could save some of my latest docs anyhow, that would be great [12:08] but i guess all is lost.... :(((( [12:08] Mel-nix: rebuilding against the boost you want isn't an option? [12:08] arctic01: let the drive cool down, keep it cool, plug it in another computer (or use a livecd as you're doing) and try dd again [12:08] arctic01: if you can see the entry in /dev, try ddrescue [12:08] okay. [12:08] thnx a lot for your help [12:09] will come back if i am stuck again. :) [12:09] ddrescue isn't trivial to use however [12:09] come back from slackware next time :) [12:09] heh... had slack once (back in slack 10 days...) [12:10] but preferred gnome... [12:10] thus changed system [12:10] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [12:10] in dmesg says its a bad geometry [12:10] see http://www.linuxleo.com/Docs/linuxintro-LEFE-3.78.pdf [12:10] pupiteee: that means: start from scratch, eh? [12:11] arctic01: :S [12:11] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [12:11] if you could backup a MBR it would be reat [12:11] great* [12:12] adrien: I don't know since I don't directly compile from the source code. [12:12] uhm, restore i ment [12:12] Mel-nix: that would be the best way... [12:12] Action: slava_dp rebooting [12:12] tried to restore mbr, but no chance... [12:12] meh... [12:12] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:12] adrien: The application still seems to be looking for the version with which it was compiled. [12:13] arctic01: you could try some live-cd partition rescuers [12:13] Action: arctic01 let's system cool down. [12:13] yeah, will try one. [12:13] Mel-nix: of course, but why not compile it yourself? [12:13] cooling it down wont fix the mbr [12:14] need to download linux-rescue live-cd [12:14] :$ [12:14] arctic01: you want your drive to stay under 35°C, less than 30°C better, less than 25°C even better [12:14] thanx for now. later. :) [12:15] arctic01 (ubuntu@p5B3E4A40.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [12:15] who is Eric Hameleers? [12:16] is that some sort of Rand-ish existentialistic question ? [12:16] the president of the usa [12:16] Azeotrope: Alien? [12:18] Azeotrope: google cut down the lines in you neighborhood? :) [12:18] adrien: How do I proceed? ./configure ? [12:20] Mel-nix: you said it was using the slackbuild... [12:21] adrien: Yes. [12:23] then use the slackbuild... I don't get the problem, simply rebuild it [12:23] it should pick the new boost automatically [12:24] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Azeotrope: http://slackware.com/~alien/ [12:25] Any ideas for non-manual methods of monitoring dmesg for hard disk errors? [12:26] Azeotrope: why? [12:26] adrien: The problem is that the SlackBuild does not compile the latest/stable version. What I had installed was the older version. [12:29] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:31] grazymax (~grazymax@host201-152-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:31] adrien: Here's the error: http://pastebin.org/213739 [12:32] I'll give you 5:1 odds that wesnoth requires an older version of libpng [12:32] digiKam had the same issue. [12:32] eviljames: Oh, I think you are right. [12:33] they made some changes, now all downstream must comply [12:33] right, I remember when they broke the API [12:34] Action: adrien hugs rworkman [12:39] Zordrak: smartd(8)/smartctl(8)? [12:41] I have to go. Thanks for the help [12:43] v4nelle (~van@79.107.241.165) joined ##slackware. [12:44] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [12:44] cityLights (~cityLight@bzq-84-111-18-122.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:45] hi all, after I put a task in suspend using (ctl+z) how to renice it +10 ? [12:45] renice +10 %1 doesnt work [12:48] _ZeH_ (ze_@187.55.2.202) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.30.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:49] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:51] how do i upgrade to -current? [12:51] _ZeH_ (ze_@187.55.2.202) left ##slackware. [12:52] I think we should stop saying "*upgrade* to -current", it can be a downgrade too often [12:52] A good rule of thumbs in that case: If you have to ask how to upgrade to -current, you probably should stick with the releases. [12:53] eddie_grey (~eddie@201-25-239-129.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:53] snowdonkey (bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [12:53] rob0: agreed [12:53] eddie_grey (eddie@201-25-239-129.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [12:54] snowdonkey (~bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] eddie_grey (~eddie@201-25-239-129.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:55] oscillator (~oscillato@51.Red-79-147-47.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] yup, that's also why I said we should stop calling it an upgrade, makes it sound like something always positive [12:55] Action: oscillator good afternoon slackers [12:56] where again are those permissions in K3B? [12:56] mikronet (~root@93-138-6-230.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:58] eddie_grey (~eddie@201-25-239-129.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [13:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-116-224.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [13:00] can somebody pastebin me a copy of slackware.rc? [13:00] err [13:00] firewall.rc [13:00] http://www.hulu.com/watch/114794/heavy-metal-parking-lot hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaah [13:00] thnx [13:01] martian67: there IS no rc.firewall [13:01] martian67: if you want one you have to make one [13:01] There is no "firewall.rc" either. [13:01] there was [13:01] what happened to it :( [13:01] not in Slackware, never. [13:01] its not in the rc.S dir [13:01] I can pastebin you mine [13:01] its in some other dir [13:01] it like /etc/ppp/ [13:01] Action: jkwood eyes slax0r [13:02] i think is where its at [13:02] sorry i dont have access to a slackware syste, [13:02] rob0, i bet your'e in that video [13:02] >.< [13:02] jkwood: mine, as in I written it for my use? [13:02] you're [13:02] rc.firewall copied randomly from pastebin. i have one that forwads all the packets to me, u want it? [13:03] im smart enough to read what its doing [13:03] i just dont want to write one [13:03] ugh [13:03] in other words im horribly lazy :) [13:03] and the one that comes with slackware is decent enough [13:03] http://pastebin.com/JvrjGvn0 [13:03] martian67: "the one that comes with slackware" <-- There ISNT one [13:03] trty it [13:04] try* [13:04] Zordrak, yes there is [13:04] martian67: iptables -P incoming DROP [13:04] martian67: anything else is up to YOU [13:04] martian67: YOU, the system administrator, need to know what youre doing with iptables to create one [13:05] Zordrak, its in /etc/ppp/ [13:05] it IS there, i know it is, check yourself :p [13:05] slax0r, also thank you [13:06] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [13:06] check it through...and give it a good check, don't know which version it is, as I haven't been using it a long long time [13:07] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:07] yes, i promise to [13:07] http://www.google.com/search?q=iptables+howto [13:08] /etc/ppp/firewall-standalone is from RP PPPoE, and it looks pretty clueless. [13:08] i read this 2 page pdf leaflet that is all bright pink and now my brain gets all colours messed up [13:08] rob0: so does martian67 [13:08] rob0, im already behind a nat [13:08] rob0: how you doing? [13:09] i just need a quick script [13:09] thats all i care about [13:09] all these crappy scripts online are 10 miles long [13:09] i just want something simple [13:09] http://rlworkman.net/conf/firewall/rc.firewall.desktop.generic [13:09] thnx [13:10] r0dr1g0[0ff] (~r0dr1g0@unaffiliated/r0dr1g0) left irc: [13:10] what you guys use for dvd burning? [13:10] martian67: #!/usr/bin/bash; iptables -P INPUT DROP [13:10] slax0r: growisofs [13:10] Zordrak, too late [13:10] Zordrak: is it user friendly and with GUI? it's for my gf...I don't want to teach her how to use cdrecord command :P [13:11] slax0r: then use k3b [13:11] k3b is a peace of cr*... [13:12] then use growisofs [13:12] hahahah [13:12] or build a tool around cdrecord [13:12] slax0r: considering that k3b is just a front-end to all the rest of the burning tools, they must all be crap. [13:12] It's constantly complaining about permissions, and the device has permissions for cdrom group read and write, user is in cdrom group and still it complains [13:12] eviljames++ [13:12] adrien: not for DVDs.. hence growisofs [13:13] slax0r: It complains once, until you adjust the settings to that it has permission to burn. [13:13] slax0r: If it is still complaining, PEBKAC [13:13] but to each their own [13:13] I'm not using a keyboard, I use a gamepad :P [13:13] martian67, the Packet Filtering HOWTO at netfilter.org is pretty simple. [13:13] ok then, PEBGAC :P [13:13] rob0: isn't that howto part of package series f/ ? [13:14] jailbox: I'll have to slap rworkman around for that -P OUTPUT DROP. [13:14] rob0, i know, i just need something quick [13:14] Did someone just post a blog entry for "how to access ##slackware on FreeNode and bitch" [13:14] lol [13:14] Zordrak: of course [13:14] Zordrak: I did, it was "How to fundamentally misunderstand your tools and then complain on freenode" [13:14] martian67: you want quick? Pull the network cable [13:14] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0F18A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] arcsky (~arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1::1c2) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Zordrak: that they came here is just an unhappy coincidence :P [13:15] but if you only need to support *one* driver, it's much easier [13:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:15] hello did anyone used curlftpfs with ssl ? [13:15] Zordrak, its for 10 minutes behind another nat to begin with [13:15] i doubt the evil chinese are going to get me [13:15] since theres a few more people awake now.. I want to re-pose: since upgrading to beta1 from a march-ish -current it *seems* slackpkg is now ignoring the blacklist when running clean-system. I don't believe this is a feature. Anyone else noticed? [13:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-116-224.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:16] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:16] btw, anyone needing to read xfs on platform others than linux? [13:16] adrien: wouldnt hurt. [13:16] i need to read/wriet xfs on opensolaris. get porting [13:16] rhys_ (~quassel@c-24-14-125-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:16] adrien: oh, and free/net/open bsd. [13:16] and nintendo [13:17] yep [13:17] I might do something fuse-based [13:17] and windows [13:17] but most probably read-only [13:17] for windows, would use dokan there (fuse equivalent) [13:18] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:18] slax0r (~slax0r@BSN-182-132-17.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:18] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0F18A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] arcsky (arcsky@2a01:48:100:1:1::1c2) left ##slackware. [13:19] |Slacker| (~cris@189.65.73.180) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:19] ok.. crash and burn on that one.. how about this one: anyone using hibernate with beta1's kde-4.4.3? pm-hibernate works, but asking KDE to do it just locks the screen [13:19] which is hibernate? disk or ram? [13:19] disk [13:20] sec, I'll try [13:20] kthx [13:20] eviljames [13:20] Zordrak: can ssh to the box? [13:21] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:21] adrien: huh? [13:21] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:21] Zordrak: I mean, any log? [13:21] adrien: huh? [13:21] when trying to hibernate [13:21] adrien: orite [13:21] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:21] heh [13:21] hadnt got to diagnosing it.. dealing with three other things first [13:22] adrien: was hoping to find a congi option somewhere that specifies what kde does when you ask for hibernate [13:22] *cofig [13:22] damnit [13:22] *config [13:23] Zordrak: hahahah nope [13:23] you said it blanked the screen, you mean it acts as if you were trying to block the machine, the machine doesn't crash or anything? [13:23] Zordrak: for me it just did a straight sutdown [13:23] Zordrak: works here [13:23] s/sut/shut/ [13:23] if dhcpcd lease 192.168.1.33, why ifconfig show "inet addr:192.168.1.2", I view the trafic for 192.168.1.2 not 33, the arp tables of the router show 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.33, and router's DHCP leases show 192.168.1.33 [13:23] slax0r (~slax0r@BSN-182-132-17.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] both disk & ram [13:23] eviljames: you asked for hibernate and it shut down? [13:24] Zordrak: heh, sorta. i asked for hibernate and it looked like it was hibernating [13:24] then when I tried to bring it back, it started a fresh boot.. :/ [13:24] eviljames: lol.. you have got hibernate configured right? [13:24] eviljames: i.e. your kernel knows where to resume from? [13:24] Zordrak: pft, nope. Haven't ever bothered to try in the past, I use sleep or shutdown :P [13:25] hahaha :P [13:25] riiiiiiight [13:25] eviljames: remember when you called me a *complete* noob yesterday? :P [13:25] adrien: remember when you couldn't figure out what files were in what packages yesterday? [13:25] now now.. you both equally suck :) [13:25] hahah truth [13:26] eviljames: I'm going to call you a standard user, you know the one you have to deal with by mail and telephone? -_- [13:26] adrien: YOU BASTARD [13:26] eviljames: I never used kde ;-) [13:26] eviljames: ^^ [13:26] adrien is in windows right now, i guarantee it. [13:26] yep [13:26] guess i'll just have to wait till the morning and badger the hell out of bob [13:26] he's even faking ctcp version [13:26] Action: adrien hugs jeev [13:27] jeev: you know I'm sshed into my box? =) [13:27] adrien: you know i sshed into jeev's mom's box? [13:27] eviljames: I thought even hear had thrown you away /o\ [13:27] s/hear/her/ [13:28] Action: adrien eating pizza [13:28] j0z (~j0z@201.47.22.143.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:29] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-18-200.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:29] any help please :) [13:30] oscillator: your question is unclear [13:30] I'm not sure how many of you are using -current and ktorrent, but is anyone else finding it freezing solid periodically? [13:30] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:30] ok a moment I pastebin [13:30] troy: been working fine for me for some time [13:30] i only use it occasionally, but when i do it works fine [13:30] troy: yeah, same here. haven't seen any freezups [13:30] but thats March current not beta1 [13:30] troy: ssd disk? [13:30] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) joined ##slackware. [13:31] adrien: nope [13:31] he wishes [13:31] lol [13:31] only ktorrent freezes or everything? and cpu usage? mem usage, [13:31] I've been trying to think of things that might cause the issue - but perhaps the answer is a plugin - I'll disable them and see if it helps [13:31] Zordrak: depends, not the kind of disks with 2-seconds latencies [13:31] yeah, if I could swap my optical bay out for an ssd, I'd like it [13:31] adrien: just ktorrent - need to kill it and restart [13:32] adrien: anything with no moving parts would be better [13:32] Zordrak: than the first SSD disks? not really [13:32] adrien: time to freeze varies from 30 minutes to 4 hours or so [13:32] dhcpcd say your ip is 192.168.1.33 and ifconfig say your ip is 192.168.1.2 [13:32] Action: troy shrugs [13:32] troy: maybe try upgrading if there's a newer version [13:32] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: [13:33] adrien: well, I'm on current - so without going to kde trunk, I can't do anything [13:33] Action: adrien throws some ocaml code at jeev [13:33] troy: isn't ktorrent built separately, you could compile it yourself [13:33] adrien: incidentally, the same version of ktorrent worked fine on opensuse factory (one of the few things that worked better there than on slackware) [13:33] patches, configuration [13:34] it's quite likely opensuse has some patches against ktorrent/qt/kde [13:34] the arp of the router say 192.168.1.33 and 192.168.1.2 are complete [13:34] martian67 (~martian67@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:35] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:36] well, I can crash it instantly just by clicking on the plugins side-tab :P [13:36] gdb! but would take a recompile to get a usable backtrace [13:37] csujbc (~csujbc@137.205.16.206) joined ##slackware. [13:38] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Hi, im writing an essay about copyright infringement. I need an example of how copyright law is used by large organization to make an income by claiming damages, [13:39] So go ask a large organization. [13:39] h264 and mpeg-la? /o\ [13:40] csujbc: you'd have better luck in #fsf or some channel, should it exist [13:40] alphageek (rooot@75-119-230-129.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [13:40] gif and unisys too ^^ [13:41] csujbc: Microsoft/Novell comes to mind [13:41] the old gif patents might be a good example though, but that's patents, not copyright [13:41] csujbc: you need an easier example than MPAA/RIAA ? [13:41] right [13:42] i mean, mpeg-la is a very small potato compared to those abominations. [13:42] eviljames: still rotten though ;-) [13:42] j0z (~j0z@201.47.22.143) joined ##slackware. [13:42] fjunis (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:43] eviljames: i have a different section for piracy :) i need a software example [13:44] copyright would be any paid software redistributed without paying the vendor I guess [13:45] Action: jeev throws ocam2 code back at adrien [13:45] yes i know it's ocam L but i want to make joke! yes make joke, not make A joke [13:46] jeev: ... [13:46] jeev: else I didn't get it else it was really bad =) [13:47] in slackware 13 why if dhcpcd say syour ip is 192.168.1.33, ifconfig show 192.168.1.2, only eth1 is configured for dhcpcd in inet1.conf. http://pastebin.com/B436EjpV [13:47] because ocaml looks like ocam1 (one) [13:47] adrien, you frenchies are so slow [13:48] jeev: yeah, what I had guessed but you joke was crap =) [13:48] csujbc: look at Microsoft and companies like HTC recently [13:48] btw, it's ocaml-3.11.2 and soon 3.12.0 ;-) [13:49] MS are silently picking off people they claim have infingnded copyrigfht and demanda monthly royality not to sue [13:49] mikronet (~root@93-141-13-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [13:49] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] is the question clear now? [13:50] If its so silent..how do you know about it? [13:50] I'd say, show the logs [13:51] straterra: is for me? [13:51] No [13:51] phrag: thnx, [13:52] csujbc: Apple [13:52] err [13:52] no, my bad, just read the backlog [13:52] Nick change: fjunis_ -> fjunis [13:53] my questions are wrong? [13:53] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-18-200.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:54] ok thanks [13:55] oscillator (oscillato@51.Red-79-147-47.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("zzZ"). [13:56] heh [13:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] straterra, because phrags took the windows ISO and sed windows for phrags and sold it. [14:01] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-74-249.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:01] ZOMG [14:02] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad276f.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Old_Spike0 (Old_Spike@82.158.3.30.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:03] oscillator (~oscillato@51.Red-79-147-47.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] http://mirror.libre.fm/audio-video/video/richard_stallman-speech-girona-apr04-272x176_theora_video.ogg [14:03] jeev: bah, he failed at case-sensitivity =/ [14:03] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:04] I understand this, why you can understand me? [14:04] lies and slander! [14:04] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [14:05] mikronet (~root@93-141-13-11.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-31-139.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_fandi [14:08] sick, andrew zimmern just took a tarantula that was fried and ate it and did his signature head moving eye rolling "oh my god this was delicious" move [14:11] can you understand how I feel? == http://mirror.libre.fm/audio-video/video/richard_stallman-speech-girona-apr04-272x176_theora_video.ogg [14:12] is that 2+ hours? [14:13] it is two hours, but WHY? [14:14] i hope i never feel like you [14:15] I also hope this [14:16] csujbc (~csujbc@137.205.16.206) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:18] -quit [14:19] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:19] -hello [14:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-31-139.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:20] jeev: I hope you don't because that'd mean oscillator feels like you and I wishes noone does =) [14:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:24] I have seen one of Stallman's talks in person, and he has a serious problem adhering to the alloted time. I was in there for over 3 hours [14:26] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.108) joined ##slackware. [14:28] does he smell? [14:28] i get this message when running powertop on slackware 13: http://pastebin.com/aWhPVPXZ. does this mean that i have to recompile the kernel? [14:29] yes [14:29] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:30] slax0r (~slax0r@BSN-182-132-17.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left irc: Quit: return false; [14:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-248-228.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] MS3FGX: definitely ;-) [14:35] good speaker however [14:35] good [14:38] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.212) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:40] fonseg: yes. fwiw the kernel in -current has that enabled. and powertop is in ap/ [14:40] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:41] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@188.140.43.216) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:42] barryt (~barry@212.183.140.21) joined ##slackware. [14:43] adrien, you're so funny! [14:44] jeev: that's what they all say, but that's what _girls_ tell me [14:47] haha lame [14:48] adrien: before leaving? [14:51] can you understand? [14:51] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [14:52] tusk: nope -_- [14:52] tusk: what they before leaving is simply to slap me =) [14:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-248-228.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:52] oh [14:52] so you're not that funny [14:52] :P [14:52] Kyril (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645213.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:54] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:55] they also shout "you perv! no way I do that!", don't know why they don't want =/ [14:56] estranho (~diogo@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:57] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:58] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [14:58] escaflow1 (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:09] slax0r: Have you tried using a different blank disk? [15:10] indeed I have [15:13] can this mean the drive is failing? [15:14] It could, yeah [15:14] yep, but sometimes you only need to clean your laser in cd/dvd recorder [15:14] oh happy day! >:X [15:15] monday tuesda... huhm, I better not start singing =) [15:15] emphasis on "only" [15:16] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:16] I'll clean it with a nice 10kg hammer [15:17] a suitcase nuke will blast it clean also. [15:17] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] snowdonkey (~bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:17] Razec (~razec@187.34.17.80) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:18] just remembered, I have 4gig sd card, I might be saved :) [15:20] whatcha doing slax0r ? [15:22] I wanna watch a movie, dvd player has an sd card reader and I don't have a hdmi and/or s-video cable right now... [15:22] o_o dvd player has a sd card reader? [15:23] my tv has one [15:23] not sure what it can decode though [15:23] (42" 1080p flat btw) [15:23] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:24] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF2D67.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] fhobia: why shouldn't it have one? [15:24] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:24] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:24] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:24] don't know if it can play movies off it tho [15:24] I know I can preview images from it [15:24] i thought the dvd player was going to dump the movie to the sd card [15:24] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:24] o_o [15:24] probably only dixv and xvid work [15:25] my tv has a sd card for a crummy picture gallery it can show :) [15:25] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:26] I'll soon find out [15:27] ah, the card reader is only useful to watch pictures [15:27] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:29] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:30] it doesn't work :S [15:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.230.25) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:40] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:41] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:43] mikronet (~root@93-141-93-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:44] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-208-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:47] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:47] Does anyone else who is running the latest -current have strange looking, vertical white bars in their KDE panel? [15:51] i just took my mailserver/fw apart trying to figure out why outgoing smtp wasnt working, silly verizon fios has all outbound traffic on port 25 blocked [15:52] That's a jip [15:53] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:54] now now they give you an option to upgrade to a static ip for a low low price [15:54] nice [15:55] verizon lets you run servers ? [15:55] they're trying to make ipv4 space run out [15:55] no they don't [15:55] im trying to connect to my servers [15:55] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:55] its against their tos even for games [15:56] isps need a good kick in the nuts [15:56] e5150 (~e5150@c-83-219-196-248.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] my ISP gives static IPs for free and actually even somehow encourages servers (blocks 25 by default, lets you easily unblock it) [15:56] specially in areas where its a monopoly [15:57] xsamurai: you're trying to reach your own computer but through the internet and it doesn't work? [15:57] adrien: http://www22.verizon.com/residentialhelp/highspeed/general+support/top+questions/questionsone/124274.htm [15:57] you can read it there [15:58] read what? [15:58] Skywise you missed my rant earlier [15:58] lol i didn't know version did anything else besides phone service [15:58] s/version/verizon/ [15:58] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] xsamurai: so they hope that by changing the port it will block anything? [15:59] i think they just block all inbound connections [15:59] outbound [16:00] i dont know about inbound, thank god im not running anything from here [16:00] oh if they're filtering 25 outbound then just relay thru their smtp server [16:00] adrien: they hope to mitigate the spam issue by blocking port 25 [16:01] xsamurai: so the app just needs to find out if it's running on verizon and use the port 587, right? [16:01] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:02] its very much like blocking telephones from making outgoing calls to stop telemarketing [16:02] sounds like the solution for everything else in our current society [16:02] rape the masses for small amount of douche bags [16:02] the thing to do is just configure your mailserver to use an their smtp relay [16:03] the dynamic ips are prolly on spam blacklists anyway\ [16:03] Skywise: client [16:03] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:03] and if you use spf for your domain, update it to include their servers [16:05] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [16:06] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.30.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:09] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. 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[16:23] god lenovo's are gay [16:23] even though i have a few [16:24] their batteries are the gayest [16:24] dell rules [16:27] dell has a master degree in suckiness too [16:28] i thought that was oracle... [16:28] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-233-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [16:28] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-233-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [16:29] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:30] jg71, it's an inside joke.. his moms nickname is dell [16:30] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) left ##slackware. [16:30] dive dive dive [16:31] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:33] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. 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[17:11] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:11] BP{k}: I had an elastic strip around my hand and wondered how much it hurt, well... it's a very strong one and I haven't pulled a lot but that was enough ;p [17:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:19] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:22] cityLights (~cityLight@bzq-84-111-18-122.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:28] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:28] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [17:33] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:36] adrien: heh. ;) [17:36] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:36] actually I meant it wasn't a strong one (for my hair) [17:37] Action: adrien hugs kethry [17:37] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:37] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-233-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:37] adrien: perhaps that is better suited for #OT ;=] [17:39] BP{k}: bah, as long as noone what we're talking about :P [17:40] but later on in the week ;-) [17:40] asdfjkl (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:41] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.30.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [17:43] having fun writing regular expressions actually =) [17:44] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:14] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [18:15] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:21] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:23] fghfgf (~vanko@87.120.157.27) left irc: [18:25] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@cuscon152004.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [18:25] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:26] So how do you rm a file on a ntfs hard disk, if it says the disk is read only? [18:26] its been awhile, i want to say its got something to do with how you mount it. [18:27] but maby its something in the bios? [18:27] because i can delete SOME files, just not the ones i need to delete, which have the same permissions as the ones i can delete. [18:27] yeah, i bet you have to remount it as rw [18:27] oh [18:27] ? [18:28] when i deleted files it was via windows xp [18:28] xp would let me delete files, but not the ones i wanted. [18:28] sigh, hush [18:28] SLAX would not rm at all. [18:28] well like fhobia said [18:28] less enter key more IQ [18:29] just supplying all the information I can. [18:29] It dosent come to me all at once. [18:29] well thanks fhobia [18:29] beatzz (~beatzz@66-90-163-118.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:29] o_o [18:30] how do you configure a wireless interface timeout parameters [18:31] the status lights on the card is on but as soon I utilized the network it disconnects [18:32] only to reconnect and work good until there is a lapse of inactivety [18:32] its really annoying [18:32] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [18:33] nesv (~nick@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:33] so umm if I ping lets say google continuously it works fine...all day/night etc [18:34] TriniTuX: Yup. [18:34] nesv: well I was saying that the card goes to sleep but the status lights lie [18:35] so turn that off [18:35] status lights on the card indicate that the card has been associated with the ap but its drops the connection only to reconnect [18:36] so I'm thinking its a powersave feature BUT i have that disabled via iwconfig [18:36] I've checked wicd settings, could it be udev? [18:36] you didn't succeed. read your driver's docs [18:37] Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR2413 802.11bg NIC (rev 01) [18:37] those drivers are already merged with the kernel [18:38] doesn't matter if they're merged or not [18:38] man iwpriv [18:38] and like i say it works fine but inactivity turns the card off; i'd like to disable that feature [18:39] iwpriv does not appear to manage power issues [18:39] you are again misraken [18:39] mistaken [18:39] dngr (~dngr@n112118130253.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] whats the param? maybe I missed it [18:40] mancha: what would you like pastebins of? [18:40] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:42] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] doesn't seem like he wants a pastebin, hehe [18:43] lol [18:43] :D [18:44] i'm doing a bunch of things, heh. :) [18:44] its not really a problem just a bit annoying as soon as I come to use the system and launch the browser I see disconnecting and reassociating [18:44] did you try iwconfig ath0 power off [18:44] yup [18:45] well in my case its wlan0 [18:45] ath5k driver? [18:46] yup [18:46] /whois sinuhe [18:47] Sorry, wrong screen. [18:47] stalker [18:47] look I'm assuming its a power management issue but I can't be cause the status leds are lit all the time [18:49] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [18:52] asdfjkl (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] although i havent defined any udev rules, disabling /etc/rc.d/rc.udev stops my usb mouse and an integrated network card [18:53] does someone know why? :) [18:54] psYcker (~psYcker@201.165.130.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:54] TriniTuX i don't know w/o sitting at your box and playing with things... [18:55] Action: TriniTuX decides to solve problem by streaming movies [18:55] sorry (tm) [18:55] mancha: wasn't me...heh thanks for the thought anyways [18:58] could your AP being dropping on idle? [18:59] s/being/be [18:59] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF2D67.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:59] I don't think so because this issue only started popping up recently [19:00] [19:00] which update? [19:00] within the last 3 months [19:00] I think [19:00] ha [19:00] which update? [19:00] don't remember; I just feel like fixing it now [19:01] ok, good luck [19:01] my bad [19:01] lol [19:01] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] yeah its not a big deal; i'll keep irc open [19:04] Action: TriniTuX contemplates if he was engaged with piracy eg dl software, mp3s movies he would never have encountered this 'problem' [19:08] psYcker (~psYcker@201.165.130.142) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:13] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF2D67.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF2D67.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:18] Hawkeeyes (~47a1e2cc@gateway/web/freenode/x-fpyebmxhtlsjeoye) joined ##slackware. [19:19] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:20] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-132.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:24] TriniTuX_ (~chatzilla@cuscon126116.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [19:25] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@cuscon152004.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:25] Nick change: TriniTuX_ -> TriniTuX [19:26] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:27] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [19:29] nice cover up, TriniTuX ;) [19:30] huh? [19:30] no really I stream everything over youtube [19:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:30] :D [19:30] and blinkx [19:31] blinkx hmm [19:31] neat :) [19:32] 72 mins a day [19:32] for free [19:32] unless you have a dynamic ip [19:32] :D [19:32] or a subscription [19:33] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] is the slackware site down on your end fhobia ? [19:34] maybe updates [19:34] v4nelle (~van@79.107.241.165) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:35] TriniTuX: Yeah, the site is down for me, too. [19:36] nesv: the occasional/usual... [19:36] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-208-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:36] yeah, i can't load the site, TriniTuX [19:36] it was up thirty minutes ago for sure :P [19:37] true [19:38] is the 13.1 announcement getting posted (is that why?) [19:38] *melodramatic music* [19:38] they have to take the whole site down for that? [19:38] no they would not [19:38] just trying to add some excitement to my sunday [19:39] oh ok, carry on [19:39] heh [19:39] thank you sir, next time i will be sure to request permission beforehand. [19:40] 8) [19:41] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [19:41] well I can't wait; nmap -sA -PN www.slackware.com [19:41] Question for everyone: I've got an IBM (Lenovo) X41 tablet - any docs I find on the intertubes describes how to get the Wacom tablet working with X if it's an external USB one. Does anyone know how I could get my Wacom tablet working on this? I'm about to break down and install Ubuntu on this, just to be able to use the tablet. [19:42] did you check on thinkwiki [19:43] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] nesv: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X41_Tablet [19:45] Yup. It wasn't much help. [19:45] oh... [19:46] Hawkeeyes (~47a1e2cc@gateway/web/freenode/x-fpyebmxhtlsjeoye) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:46] TriniTuX: Thanks, though. :S [19:47] nesv: nice system though [19:49] the docs at linuxwacom don't suffice, nesv ? [19:52] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-202-045.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [19:53] TriniTuX: thanks! I picked it up for a bargain! [19:53] fhobia: No - the only documentation I could find at the linuxwacom project all pertained to USB-based tablets. [19:54] oh [19:54] fhobia: Hence, my perdicament. [19:54] Like I said, I'm about to break down and install Ubuntu, just so I can use the bloody tablet feature. [19:54] you said usb in your question, so i'm kinda confused [19:55] fhobia: I believe I had said I could only find USB-oriented docs; the tablet, in my case, is built into the screen. [19:56] fhobia: ...and, according to ThinkWiki, a serial device. [19:56] ah ok, i see [20:00] :) [20:04] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-208-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [20:09] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:10] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:11] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Have a good night, everyone! I'm out. [20:15] nesv (nick@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [20:17] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:18] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.164) joined ##slackware. [20:19] lets pretend........ [20:19] eminem is the slackware of rap. [20:22] .... [20:22] why would you say that [20:22] what [20:23] because he's the greatest rapper alive. [20:23] slackware is the greatest linux distribution [20:23] um yeah no [20:23] whaaaaaaaaa ? [20:23] scratch that, not rapper. ARTIST> [20:23] you're just saying that cuz he lets white boys feel proud [20:23] i'm not white [20:24] ok he lets you pretend you're a white guy who likes to feel proud of being white [20:24] why would i want to pretend i'm a white guy or feel proud to be white ? [20:25] come on ex-food-samurai... [20:27] thats low picking on my weight [20:27] Action: xsamurai crys into his tub of ice cream [20:28] Action: fire|bird hands xsamurai a tissue [20:28] you slob, go stuff yourself with ice cream and listen to your favorite justin bieber song [20:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:28] justin bieber, ugh. [20:29] jeev: how'd you know, me justin is my fav [20:30] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:30] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-77.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [20:31] troy (~troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] troy (troy@CPE001b1169ec48-CM0011e6ede8d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [20:32] i better figure out who this bieber dude is someday [20:33] fhobia, some young kid that is all the rage amongst teenage girls atm, who ironically looks like a girl himself. :P In other words, don't waste your time. [20:33] he' slike a 3'5" ashton kutcher guy who sings [20:33] :3 kudos to him [20:34] jeev, the guy in the posters you had hanging in your bedroom the other day? [20:34] thrice` and jeev hang out it seems [20:35] i hang out with jeev's hot sister [20:35] :3 kudos to thrice` [20:36] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-86-59-5.clppva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] hey guys [20:37] hey linus72 [20:37] what are you guys doin? [20:37] i'm programming [20:37] and talking about justin bieber [20:37] programming what? [20:37] we're discussing justin bieber and jeev's hot sister. :P [20:37] lol [20:37] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:37] and how thrice` bagged her [20:38] and trying to figure out how the world they're related. :) [20:38] i dont have a sister you douchebags, that's the neighbor girl with alzheimers [20:38] do any of you use slacky, and other non-official stuff? [20:38] what is slacky, linus72 ? [20:39] slacky.eu [20:39] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slacky [20:39] :) [20:39] slack packages [20:39] oh, no, i use sbopkg [20:40] I get lots of good stuff from salix's repos too [20:40] Action: alphageek tends to just build his own from scratch [20:41] too many times I've seen other's build scripts & gone "wtf were they THINKING?!?" [20:41] lol even the SBo ones, alphageek ? [20:41] the SBo ones are of immensely higher quality [20:42] may not mean nothing to ya'll, understand nothing was done for me.. so i dont plan on stoppin at all [20:42] no surprise given that rworkman (among others) is involved. that & submissions are vetted before being made public [20:43] xsamurai (~munki@pool-173-60-208-153.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:45] so whats slacky.eu? a semi-erect european penis? [20:46] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:46] lol the italian slack community [20:46] irony, definition of [20:48] why aren't there an russian's in here [20:48] any [20:48] yeah, ruskies do like slack I eard [20:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOirQOghpUc sickkkkkkkkest song ever [20:49] you're so lame jeev [20:49] how many of you guys ate Plydoh as a child, raise your hand? [20:49] Playdoh [20:49] i'm not lame thrice`, bite me and continue listening to Sean Kingston [20:50] How many think Obama is the Man of Hope? [20:50] wtf [20:51] lol [20:51] I voted for him, then found out he was half-white and that pissed me off [20:51] lol [20:51] linus72, he would be if the rednecks and ignorant's in the country would shut up with their "taxed enough already" shit [20:51] they should've been whining when bush blew money we didn't have on a pointless war [20:51] brb [20:51] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] they all suck I think [20:52] whats up with the oil leak thing? [20:52] 200000 gallons a day [20:52] Action: hitest is wondering what any of this has to do with ##slackware [20:53] you know on star trek they have these things called "redundant systems", wonder why BP never thought of that? [20:53] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-25.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] If it were an easy problem to fix..it'd be fixed [20:54] oh, thought I was back on off-topic, sorry [20:54] yeah [20:54] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [20:57] the "4" in qt4 refers the number of hours it needs to compile [20:57] XD [20:58] you must have a fast system, mancha :) [20:58] how long does it take over there? :) [20:59] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-86-59-5.clppva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:09] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:10] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] Sup folks [21:11] Anyone have any experience setting up a 32-bit chroot on Slack64? [21:11] ...is that possible ? [21:11] Should be [21:11] installpkg -root should be enough [21:12] Plus a bit of permissions crap to let 32-bit X applications talk on the 64-bit server, I suppose [21:12] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:13] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [21:14] yoyoned (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:15] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [21:17] you'd need a bunch of 32 bit libs inside the chroot [21:18] mancha, the intention was to basically install the whole distro, libraries, packages, and all [21:18] and i use chroot as you do, a choot jail or chroot subsystem. not chroot the change-root command [21:19] if you plan to install the entire system why not vm it? [21:19] (although I was likely going to bind-mount /etc from the parent 64-bit install) [21:23] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:25] I do compiling for my 32-bit-current netbook on an older slamd64. No, you don't mount --bind /etc but you do that for /proc and /sys and others. [21:29] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6B2F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:35] goj (~goj@p5488FE74.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:38] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:40] fjunis_ (~unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. 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[21:50] So, I get this error message, trying to figure out what it really means: http://pastebin.com/LTNHemdy [21:51] wondered if it meant that the libstdc++ doesnt have those symbols in thatversion or what [21:53] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@cuscon126116.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:54] I ran a strings on stdc++.so.6 and grepped for GLIB and it has all the way up to GLIBXX_3_4_10 [21:54] So I am thinking stdc++ needs an update [21:54] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:54] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:56] peregrine|falcon (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:57] which means gcc needs to bve updated [21:57] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:57] I am guessing if it does, that means it would be in GCC-g++ [21:57] do you have cxxlibs installed? [21:59] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:59] thats actually the name of a project? lol... [21:59] wow. [22:00] it's a package in slackware [22:00] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:00] really? [22:01] do you have it installed? [22:01] I should, not sure why not [22:01] sec [22:01] lostnhell (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] yep 6.0.10 [22:02] on -current, or 13? [22:02] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:02] 13. [22:03] what series is it in? [22:03] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nqrzddlckxsixzwo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:03] look? [22:03] im looking for it now [22:03] yes, you are being quite helpless [22:04] this distrib ain't for lazy helpless people [22:04] oh come on now, I'm not being lazy, I'm actively researching this [22:04] what package are you looking for? [22:04] cat /var/log/packages/cxxlibs* and see [22:04] cxxlibs, I cantseem to find it [22:04] PACKAGE LOCATION: /var/log/mount/a/cxxlibs-6.0.13-x86_64-1.txz [22:05] a [22:05] fatalnix, because you're not looking [22:05] thats odd, its in a, yeah I just lokedx [22:05] thrice`, you beat me to it [22:05] and I just remembered that the description and info was in those files but yeah [22:05] its getting late [22:05] I have three projects due tomorrow and I'm tired [22:05] lol [22:06] lol! [22:06] poor thing!! aaw [22:06] XD [22:06] you bet? you're going to choke, its a required class that sucks balls called VB. [22:06] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:06] lol [22:06] visual basic class ? [22:07] yep. [22:07] lol [22:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:07] its the schools only programming class and its not even a programming language [22:07] to my dictionary [22:07] lol [22:07] some say visual basic just got a bad name :P [22:07] so everyone makes fun of it [22:07] vb is limited functionality scripting [22:07] Ok so I got tired of writing these half hour long reports of what my vb programs did and everything [22:08] so I sat for two days making a 350 line perl script that finds my damn project and parses all the project files, then finds what files it needs to parse, the designers, forms, etc and formats the damn planning sheets and all in about a tenth of a seccond [22:08] The instructor is clueless :D [22:09] ok, i have a beef with gitorious folks. it keeps resetting my dl of a qt4 snapshot about 85% into the fucker and it doesn't have resuma capability [22:09] the fuck's up with that [22:09] he doesnt even see a hint when I have all these comments in my code like ' Pseudo: ' Author: ' Description, etc [22:09] he said it has good documentation... lols [22:09] mancha, it should, just 'git pull' instead of doing the clone again [22:10] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:10] i didn't clone git (cause that like 900MB) i dl'd a snapshot in tarball form (or tried at least) [22:10] estranho (~diogo@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:11] cloning the git's an option i suppose but i already have so many git source trees my HD is running near full [22:11] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@cuscon126116.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [22:12] anyways, the dl of the snapshot tarball should work, it just always conks out at the same place (or close to it) and like i said, won't resume the dl [22:12] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@cuscon126116.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:15] lostnhell (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:16] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-208-111-227-160-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] how can I use man to spit a manpage out to a plain text file? [22:18] groff [22:19] byteframe: less the file in /usr/man/man? and redirect it to a text file. [22:19] man man | col -b > ~/man.txt [22:19] hrmm, i guess we can use col -b [22:20] byteframe: e.g. less /usr/man/man1/ed.1.gz > /tmp/ed.txt [22:20] sinuhe, first, it'd be zless; second, won't work :p [22:20] Thrice's solution works great. [22:20] Thanks all! [22:20] thrice`: The example I gave works fine. Admittedly, your solution is more exact to the question: using man. [22:22] sinuhe, mm, it does format OK actually. sorry [22:22] man uses less. less uses zless. :) [22:22] I think zless would be the most effective method. [22:22] though it'll still have ugly ^M in it [22:23] thrice`: man allows for it to be called easily, though. I liked your col solution. [22:25] the col solution is in "man man" :) [22:25] "man man" being a common command used at the San Francisco LUG [22:26] How about that? [22:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:27] s/\?/\./ [22:27] oh no, the secret is out! it's in the manpage [22:27] Action: sinuhe ducks [22:29] Action: sinuhe remembers with nostalgia when Unix systems shipped with a programmer's manual and supplementry papers on usage topics. [22:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:29] reti (~44beb77d@gateway/web/freenode/x-vmzfaesfrdrkzmwj) joined ##slackware. [22:31] I just got a new computer, and I want to do this with my old and new: internet -- wifi router -- slackware wifi receiver -- router/switch(cat5) -- windows/linux [22:31] what do i need to google? [22:32] or how would i go about that? [22:32] a web browser and inet [22:32] I bbasiicaly need to route the internet through my slack box [22:32] Monetary exchange rates. [22:33] have slack masq to the wifi and have winblowz gw be slack [22:33] reti: Most of this is addressed in the slackbook. The NATing will need a MASQUERADE iptables rule, and sysctl ip_forward configuration. (See /etc/rc.d) [22:37] te_ (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [22:38] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:38] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435369.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [22:39] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435369.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Um, IIUC the situation, no, there's no need for NAT on the slackbox. Simply have the router route to the wired subnet through the slackware box. [22:39] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:40] Most routers probably have the ability to set static routes. If it doesn't, it's junk. [22:40] Is the "slackware wifi receiver" the device receiving the public IP? [22:41] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] sounds to me like there is another router between it and the Internet. [22:41] rob0: Agreed, unless the slackbox needs to be accessible to the internet. [22:41] well, does Mr. Question asker have clarification? [22:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:42] Which device is receiving your public IP? [22:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:43] rob0 is the networking expert here. [22:43] Next, after you know which device is receiving the public IP, do you have admin rights on that device? If not, which device is closest to the public IP that you have admin rights to? [22:44] weird, earlier he was asking me how to use a dlink router, he was plugging in his phone cable into WAN and wondering why he has no internet. [22:44] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@cuscon126116.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [22:44] need more information. [22:45] If I turn up the knob on my router that says Brightness, does jeev make smarter jokes? [22:45] o_o [22:45] nope, maxed out [22:45] bahhhhhhh [22:45] it was a good one [22:45] :o) [22:46] fhobia, thumbs is one of those who hates me because i'm awesome. [22:46] peregrine|falcon (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...." [22:46] Awesome how no more information about the problem is being posted. [22:46] :3 [22:46] What does this "Horizontal hold" knob do? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\------------- [22:46] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [22:47] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:47] sorryy, i was reading up on it [22:47] the setup is this: [22:48] internets ---> wifi router ---> wifireciever on slackbox --> lan router --> windows/linux box [22:48] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-25.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:49] is wifi router receiving the public IP and wifireciever on slackbox getting a NAT IP? [22:49] or is wifi router bridging? [22:49] what is that supposed to accomplish? [22:49] yeah [22:49] the wifi router is the gateway [22:49] yeah?.... [22:49] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-25.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] I would never use wifi as a gateway [22:49] ew. [22:49] what do you mean whats that supposed to accomplish? [22:49] wel, i am forced to [22:50] I'd set up some core switches and use a switched network, using wireless access in the form of a host on a workgroup switch for area X [22:50] wow. [22:50] ok time for me to leave. [22:50] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [22:50] then if I waqnt it in area Y I'd use another there. [22:50] thats you, im a poor college student and this is what I have to use [22:50] lol [22:50] ic. [22:50] you could use switches if you wanted [22:50] lol [22:50] so unless you want to buy me switches [22:50] if you have hardwire access [22:50] i dont [22:50] switches are usually cheaper. [22:51] the gateway is on anoteher floor [22:51] if you go for good hardware [22:51] my switches are old but they do an amzing job [22:51] the gatewayt is just a regular consumer router that has a wifi thing in it [22:51] I have a 100 Mbit trunk line abd 24 10 Mbit access lines. [22:52] which is more than sufficient than what I use, in fact overprovisioning [22:54] this is my router/gateway: http://www.amazon.com/Netgear-WGR614-Wireless-G-Router/dp/B00008SCFL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1273459936&sr=8-1 [22:55] anyways, what do i need to read up on to get this to work? [22:56] oth boxes need the ineternet [22:56] both* [22:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:56] sant0 (~chatzilla@187.71.78.172) joined ##slackware. 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[23:00] 10mbps or so [23:00] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:01] sinuhe: I have to have the router as the gateway to the internet unfortenetly [23:01] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [23:02] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:02] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [23:03] acidtripper (~gon@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [23:04] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.147.130) joined ##slackware. [23:04] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] hi, do you know where can i see about fan speed in slack ? =P [23:08] poke around in /proc/acpi ? [23:08] fhobia: there si a directory called fan but its empty [23:09] acidtripper (~gon@190.188.115.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:09] o_o hmm [23:09] reti (~44beb77d@gateway/web/freenode/x-vmzfaesfrdrkzmwj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:09] thats better than me, juan--d-_-b [23:09] i don't even have a directory [23:09] lol [23:10] alreadygone (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:10] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [23:11] Nick change: alreadygone -> Oak [23:13] fhobia: haha, i do a modprobe fan and it creates it [23:15] all right, nice [23:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:16] now i got the directory but nothing in it [23:16] lol [23:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:17] fhobia: im in that point xD [23:17] hehehe [23:18] Nick change: sant0 -> santobob [23:30] brb [23:30] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [23:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:33] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:33] santobob (~chatzilla@187.71.78.172) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [23:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:34] santobob (~chatzilla@187.71.78.172) joined ##slackware. [23:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. 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[23:50] Durf: gparted is available from slackbuilds.org [23:50] i think he left. i cant tab-complete him [23:51] but i wouldnt know for sure [23:51] Action: sinuhe smacks head [23:51] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon May 10 2010