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[00:06] <MLanden> night,folks...take care
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[00:52] <Axius> How to clean up /tmp?
[00:52] <spook> Axius: cd /tmp; du -hs *\
[00:52] <spook> Axius: cd /tmp; du -hs *
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[00:54] <Axius> spook: 148M /tmp I want to delete all  that stuff.
[00:55] <spook> you didnt change to /tmp first.  what i specified should tell you what is taking up the space in /tmp
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[00:56] <Axius> that command you gave me it worked but I want to delete all the file in /tmp
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[00:57] <spook> Axius: there are some things you cant/shouldnt.
[00:57] <Axius> no
[00:57] <deco> Axius: listen to spook
[00:57] <j_j> hello. i installed slackware13.0_64bit on my laptop. i choose the xfce. i cannot find where to adjust the brightness of the lcd screen
[00:58] <spook> j_j: have a look at your F keys, is there a little sun or something in a different colour on any of them?
[00:59] <j_j> spook: yes. there is F keys. it doesn't work
[00:59] <spook> j_j: do you have a Fn key?
[00:59] <j_j> spook: yes
[00:59] <spook> hold it down and play with the F keys
[00:59] <j_j> spook: i know what is a Fn key  lol
[01:00] <fiyawerx> Anyone use virtualbox to get access to netflix watch now? Trying to convince my wife to let me put linux back on our htpc, and prob. gonna go with slack again
[01:00] <spook> okay well what model laptop do you have? perhaps the module for your chipset isnt loaded.
[01:00] <j_j> btw, i need sometime to make my sound works
[01:00] <Axius> spook: thanks for your help.
[01:00] <spook> j_j: alsamixer
[01:00] <j_j> spook: i tried
[01:00] <j_j> spook: i tried alsamixer
[01:00] <spook> fiyawerx: doesnt run in wine?
[01:00] <j_j> spook: i tried alsamixer and alsaconf
[01:00] <spook> j_j: what laptop do you have?
[01:01] <j_j> spook: it's a hp
[01:01] <fiyawerx> spook netflix? requires silverlight that i know, dont think that'd work in wine
[01:01] <spook> j_j: pavilion?
[01:02] <fiyawerx> was just wondering how well the full screen would work running from vbox @ 1920x1200, i think it might work ok, one way to find out i s'pose
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[01:02] <j_j> spook: i don't know a lot about the details. it's a computer called 6530
[01:02] <spook> fiyawerx: why not just run windows?
[01:03] <j_j> spook: you can just give me some guide. and i will find out the details
[01:03] <spook> j_j: can you pastebin.slackadelic.com the output of lsmod as root
[01:03] <j_j> spook: ok
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[01:04] <j_j> here it is :  http://pastebin.com/m41802c35
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[01:04] <Rat409> j_j:  try lspci |grep -i audio
[01:04] <mfillpot> good evening all
[01:04] <Rat409> mines a dv6636 pavilion,uses snd_hda_intel
[01:05] <spook> j_j: looks like modules are loaded for it
[01:05] <Rat409> and Fn F7,F8 adjust volume
[01:05] <spook> Rat409: line 20 of the pastebin
[01:05] <Rat409> looking
[01:05] <j_j> lspci | grep -i audio  ;  http://pastebin.com/m7c9e346e
[01:06] <spook> j_j: really looks like the modules are all loaded. are you sure you dont have a little volume dial on the case, and the screen isnt already max brightness?
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[01:07] <j_j> spook: it's likely the screen is max brightness. i need it to be er.. not so bright
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[01:08] <j_j> spook: and the volume shouldn't be 0, because the Fn keys of volume works in KDE. can i see the volume is not 0, while the sound doesn't play
[01:09] <j_j> can i see  ===> i can see
[01:09] <spook> j_j: no i mean on the actual laptop, is there a little volume dial?
[01:09] <j_j> spook: i cannot find it
[01:10] <j_j> spook: so, it's no
[01:11] <j_j> spook: the xorg.conf doesn't exist anymore ?
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[01:11] <spook> j_j: no, it autodetects
[01:11] <j_j> i see
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[01:11] <spook> if you need to manually specify things, you only need to specify the things you need and the rest auto detects
[01:11] <j_j> i usually just add some loadxxx in the config , and it worked well
[01:12] <Rat409> he may need the pcm_alsa_ossi . i misspoke earlier my F7,F8 adjust brightness of display. volume i have that hp touch control thing
[01:12] <j_j> Rat409: maybe
[01:12] <j_j> i will have a try
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[01:16] <Rat409> the snd bit maybe snd_pcm_oss sorry,tired and braindead agin :(
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[01:19] <j_j> reboot. bbl
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[01:23] <fire|bird> y0 Rat409, how's it going?
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[01:24] <Rat409> other than being braindead,good thanks. sorry i was so tried i misunderstood your seamonkey compile prob
[01:24] <Rat409> tried/tired. damn not much better atm
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[01:24] <fire|bird> Rat409: haha, no worries. Slack has SeaMonkey 2.0 now, so I can stop fighting with it.
[01:24] <Rat409> sweet
[01:25] <Rat409> man 1.1.7 isn't pretty lousy font rendering
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[01:25] <Rat409> 2.0 rocks so far
[01:26] <Rat409> brb
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[01:30] <neonflux> 2.0 seems to be missing the gtkmozembed library
[01:32] <mancha> can i haz my seamonkey security update, kthnxbye
[01:35] <BP{k}> no
[01:35] <BP{k}> :P
[01:35] <Rat409> the one from mozilla.org has it
[01:36] <Rat409> cause i unpacked it in my ~/ and just looked
[01:36] <mrselfpwn> booya!
[01:37] <mrselfpwn> now we all feel like burnt toast
[01:37] <Rat409> indeed
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[01:45] <fire|bird> y0 mrselfpwn
[01:46] <mrselfpwn> y0 fire|bird
[01:46] <mrselfpwn> playing einstein
[01:47] <mancha> BPk, i'll settle fer mah new pidgin then
[01:48] <mancha> :P
[01:48] <fire|bird> mancha: you can't haz dat either. :P
[01:49] <mancha> damn yo, can i haz any patch?
[01:49] <fire|bird> mancha: you can haz slackpkg and a mirrors file with slackware 13 selected. ;)
[01:50] <mrselfpwn> my uber 1337 mirror points to slackware-future repo
[01:50] <fire|bird> :o
[01:50] <mancha> that's not what my eula sez
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[01:51] <fire|bird> wow, http://i.imgur.com/4gQqx.jpg
[01:52] <mrselfpwn> god i hope that is phoshopped
[01:52] <fire|bird> lol
[01:53] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: you mean spiders don't smile without being photoshopped? :P
[01:53] <mfillpot> good evening guys
[01:53] <fire|bird> evening mfillpot
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> i hope not
[01:53] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: haha
[01:54] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: never gotten close enough to look?
[01:54] <mrselfpwn> heheh nope
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[01:54] <mfillpot> I have a quick iptables question that I know some of you can answer and will laugh at me for, what is the purpose of the "-j RETURN" expression when setting a rule?
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[01:55] <mrselfpwn> i don't mind them though. they kill other pests
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[01:56] <fire|bird> interesting: nsfw-ish, http://imgur.com/gRVkH
[01:56] <gonza_> someone can kick to acidtripper, its me.. but for any reason connection hanged
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> bah, i never tell people nsfw
[01:57] <gonza_> i closed xchat and now i cant log in as acidtripper
[01:57] <mfillpot> fire|bird: can you answer my question?
[01:57] <mancha> itis used in concert with --jump usually
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[01:58] <mancha> so you a) match b) jump to user chain c) return out of jump to user chain back to calling chain
[01:58] <fire|bird> mfillpot: No I can't, sorry. I'm not sure what it's purpose is.
[01:59] <mrselfpwn> man, that is only 500 yen?  i'll have to get one of those.
[01:59] <fire|bird> lol
[01:59] <fire|bird> just one? :P
[02:00] <mfillpot> I had noticed it's use in the output of AlienBOB's firewall generator, but I don't understand why he is using RETURN instead of DROP.
[02:00] <mrselfpwn> yes <remove crude joke from rest of this sentence>
[02:00] <deco> good night
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[02:00] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: hahaha
[02:01] <fire|bird> haha, http://www.luiga.se/upload/iwanttobelikemommy.jpg
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[02:02] <mfillpot> fire|bird: lol
[02:03] <mrselfpwn> lol
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[02:05] <fire|bird> quick, someone get me a guitar: http://reaves72.tumblr.com/post/237141729/with-or-without-guitar hurry people!!!
[02:05] <fire|bird> :P
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[02:07] <mancha> is colonel.org, er kernel.org down?
[02:08] <fire|bird> mancha: works here
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[02:08] <mancha> yep, works here now too, musta been a burp
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[02:10] <mrselfpwn> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
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[02:21] <metrofox> hi there!
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[02:22] <g4tt0> gooodmooorning
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[02:23] <The-Croupier> greetings
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[02:24] <metrofox> ciao g4tt0
[02:24] <g4tt0> ciao metrofox mattiniero vedo ^^
[02:25] <metrofox> eh.... I didn't go to school today... I don't feel good :(
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[02:27] <The-Croupier> i came to work today and that doesnt feel good either
[02:28] <metrofox> hi The-Croupier :)
[02:28] <The-Croupier> metrofox: hiya, how are you doing?
[02:29] <metrofox> not well... I don't know what my stomac is doing
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[02:38] <The-Croupier> metrofox: if you didnt put anything in it... then its probably complaining about it ;) otherwise it's chewing that ;)
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[02:43] <metrofox> The-Croupier: I put a lot of junk-food in it...
[02:44] <metrofox> yesterday..
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[02:46] <The-Croupier> well, the tank need refueling then ;)
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[03:15] <slackytude> morning
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[03:19] <kowalczyk> hi. im trying to install perl-html-parser from a slackbuild. but I get this error: http://parser.pastebin.com/m671fc221 what package have I missed installing?
[03:22] <metrofox> hi slackytude
[03:23] <kowalczyk> anyone knows?
[03:23] <metrofox> kowalczyk: perl-html-tagset
[03:23] <kowalczyk> I have that
[03:24] <kowalczyk> that is installed
[03:24] <kowalczyk> but parser fails
[03:25] <metrofox> it seems you miss a couple headers...
[03:25] <metrofox> let me try to build it
[03:27] <kowalczyk> ok
[03:28] <metrofox> it builds
[03:28] <kowalczyk> ok.. but what am I missing then? hehe
[03:29] <metrofox> kowalczyk: you're missing some package... a big one
[03:29] <kowalczyk> http://packages.pastebin.com/m635f69fc list of my installed packages
[03:29] <kowalczyk> I know im missing something. I just dont know what
[03:29] <metrofox> yeah but I've to find its dependencies...
[03:30] <metrofox> wait a minute :)
[03:30] <kowalczyk> ok :)
[03:30] <metrofox> is your slackware full? I mean... when you installed slackware which choices you choosed?
[03:30] <metrofox> FULL install?
[03:30] <kowalczyk> no
[03:31] <metrofox> eh...
[03:31] <metrofox> that's why you're missing a big package...
[03:32] <kowalczyk> I know. but what package. I tried to make it as small as possible and build it from there.
[03:33] <kowalczyk> I used tagfiles from another install
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[03:34] <metrofox> kowalczyk: the problem is not those little packages
[03:34] <kowalczyk> ok... but do you know which package / packages I have to install ?
[03:35] <metrofox> not yet... let me see
[03:36] <kowalczyk> ok.... I have googled it and stuff. some say kernel-headers but no.. hmm...
[03:36] <slackytude> y0 metrofox
[03:36] <metrofox> yeah... kernel-headers...
[03:36] <kowalczyk> or should I try kernel-headers. hmm
[03:36] <kowalczyk> ok
[03:36] <metrofox> install them
[03:36] <kowalczyk> done
[03:37] <metrofox> have you installed them? :|
[03:37] <metrofox> so quick?
[03:37] <kowalczyk> yeah ?:P hehehe..
[03:37] <kowalczyk> installpkg kernel-headers-2.6.29.6_smp-x86-2.txz
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[03:37] <alienBOB> kernel-headers are almost a requirement for building software
[03:37] <slackytude> oh tell me why
[03:37] <metrofox> up
[03:37] <metrofox> *yup
[03:37] <kowalczyk> alienBOB: ok... then I will do a reboot.. and try once more
[03:38] <metrofox> kowalczyk: there's no need to reboot...
[03:38] <metrofox> try to build it now :)
[03:38] <kowalczyk> metrofox: I fixed something in lilo as well :P
[03:38] Action: chee gets a gun
[03:38] <metrofox> ah...
[03:38] <kowalczyk> cut the time from 1.5 minute to 10 seconds :d
[03:38] <kowalczyk> so boring waithing :D
[03:38] <kowalczyk> waiting*
[03:39] <metrofox> kowalczyk: you miss another "important" package: kernel-firmware
[03:39] <kowalczyk> metrofox: aha:P
[03:40] <kowalczyk> I will install that as well
[03:40] <metrofox> maybe you won't need it, but install it as well :)
[03:40] <kowalczyk> ok :D
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[03:42] <metrofox> kowalczyk: you can also not to install it though :) That package only contains different firmwares(binary ones) for hardware
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[03:44] <kowalczyk> metrofox: thanks:D
[03:45] <kowalczyk> time to test
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[03:46] <metrofox> kowalczyk: take a look at what is contains... if you've one of those hardware install it, then don't do it :)
[03:46] <kowalczyk> :P
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[04:14] <Zordrak> Morn
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[04:15] <metrofox> morning Zordrak
[04:15] <fire|bird> morning Zordrak
[04:15] <metrofox> morning fire|bird
[04:16] <slava_dp> morning Zordrak
[04:17] <fire|bird> hi metrofox
[04:17] <metrofox> fire|bird: what's up?
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[04:17] <fire|bird> metrofox: not much, won't be on much longer: 03:17
[04:18] <metrofox> :O still awake?
[04:18] <fire|bird> yeah
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[04:19] <Thelma> slackware stole my baby
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[04:22] <slava_dp> didn't last for long
[04:23] <tewmten> morning
[04:23] <slava_dp> o/
[04:23] <Zordrak> wow.. uf.org is still blows
[04:23] <Zordrak> *blown
[04:26] <Zordrak> not that im not thoroughly thrown by the cancer thread anyway
[04:28] <fire|bird> slava_dp: turn it off? pffft, that just made the screen flicker. :P
[04:29] <slava_dp> fire|bird, c'mon, you gotta have some sleep tonight :)
[04:29] <fire|bird> haha
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[04:29] <fire|bird> slava_dp: yeah, I won't be on much longer, 5 minutes at most maybe.
[04:29] <fire|bird> Mon Nov  9 03:29:07 CST 2009
[04:30] Action: TwinReverb figured out how to populate the Create From Template area in Xfce!  Templates galore!
[04:31] <fire|bird> Well, later guys. Take care.
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[04:31] <slava_dp> fire|bird, lol, see you :)
[04:32] <fire|bird> see ya slava_dp, take care. :)
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[04:32] <metrofox> he's gone :(
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[04:41] <Zordrak> oo! MythTV 0.22 and now w/ qt4! Maybe it might actually *function* now
[04:42] <metrofox> I don't know why but I read MyMTV instead of MythTV :/
[04:42] <Zordrak> uh-huh..
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[04:57] <jescis> metrofox, you silly :->
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[04:59] <Camarade_Tux> morning
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[05:00] <frullet> Camarade_Tux: morning
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[05:02] <Camarade_Tux> morning frullet :)
[05:02] <Camarade_Tux> eeeaaattt :)
[05:02] <Zordrak> christ.. a whole hour for the load avg to drop under 6 from 600...
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[05:04] <Camarade_Tux> 600? what happened
[05:04] <Camarade_Tux> you fork-bombed?
[05:05] <ali0t4> I copyed precompiled memtest.bin to usb disk,
[05:05] <Zordrak> no.. dnsgraph went for a shit and lockedh itself in
[05:05] <Zordrak> .. again
[05:05] <ali0t4> when I reboot to memtest86, it had reboot right now.
[05:05] <ali0t4> why ?
[05:07] <Camarade_Tux> you haven't used dd, right?
[05:07] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: he
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[05:08] <taub> how do i extract .xz files
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[05:09] <taub> it says xz not found, also i cant find it at slackbuilds
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[05:09] <slava_dp> taub, xz is in slack 13.0.
[05:09] <tewmten> i'm watching the Google Wave demo
[05:09] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: have you been able to find what is causing the lock or to reproduce it?
[05:09] <tewmten> damn its long
[05:09] <taub> xz: command not found :(
[05:09] <Camarade_Tux> everybody wants to give me google wave invites ><
[05:09] <Camarade_Tux> taub: which version of slackware?
[05:09] <slava_dp> taub, cat /etc/slackware-version
[05:09] <tewmten> give me a google wave invite :(
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> taub: ^^
[05:10] <taub> 12.2
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> bah, fail
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: ^^
[05:10] <tewmten> Camarade_Tux: you has invites?
[05:10] <tewmten>  :)
[05:10] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: it's cronned for every 5 mins.. something just causes them to hit a loop or sthg and they dont close off.. soon enough every socket is in use and i cant get in remotely
[05:10] <taub> ahahaha
[05:10] <taub>  ok
[05:10] <taub> so i'm on 12.2 now where do i get it
[05:10] <slava_dp> taub, update pkgtools, tar, xz and slackpkg from 13.0. they are provided as tgz packages.
[05:11] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: all? I'd rather only update tar and xz
[05:11] <taub> sorry, how do i do that
[05:11] <taub> or, where do i find the tgz packages
[05:11] <Zordrak> everyone stop
[05:11] <Zordrak> step back
[05:11] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, well, you won't be able to install txz with the old pkgtools.
[05:11] <taub> just get them from slackbuilds and reinstall?
[05:11] <Zordrak> taub: What are you trying to achieve? What is your end goal?
[05:11] <slava_dp> taub, on your favourite mirror.
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: not sure the goal is to install txz files, only to extract .xz files I think
[05:12] <taub> i want to extract a tar.xz archive
[05:12] <taub> okay
[05:12] <mancha> and don't say world domination, that's my end goal
[05:12] <Zordrak> taub: fail
[05:12] Action: Camarade_Tux sneaks behind mancha and kills him
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> there can be only one world dominator :)
[05:13] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: no, I don't have an account yet
[05:13] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: when you get an account, do you get invites to give after that ?
[05:13] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: a cron job to kill it after ten minutes?
[05:14] <mancha> this'll allow you to "un-xz" the .tar.xz: http://tukaani.org/xz/xz-4.999.9beta.tar.bz2
[05:14] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: meh
[05:15] <slava_dp> why not update tar and xz to slack13 versions?
[05:15] <tewmten> Camarade_Tux: i dont know man, i never really knew what it was until recently
[05:15] <slava_dp> worked for me, at least.
[05:20] <taub> ok, made it
[05:20] <taub> thanks
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[05:21] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten: :)
[05:21] <Zordrak> OOI does anyone know if the compression algs are included in the tar code or whether they are calls to the bins?
[05:22] <mancha> they call the bins
[05:22] <Zordrak> kk
[05:23] <Kaapa> morning everyone
[05:23] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: btw.. part of the problem wrt Loadavg is the box is a nagios machine anyway.. so usually runs pretty  high load
[05:23] <Kaapa> by any chance, anyone compiled latest mesa from git?
[05:23] <Zordrak> its no biggie.. its not often it falls over and when it does i either catch it in time.. or get a weekend's peace away from nagios notification
[05:24] <Camarade_Tux> he, yeah, not having nagios notifications could be an advantage :P
[05:24] <Camarade_Tux> hi Kaapa
[05:24] <Kaapa> Camarade_Tux: hey there
[05:25] <Camarade_Tux> Kaapa: why?
[05:25] <Kaapa> why?
[05:25] <Kaapa> what? :p
[05:25] <Camarade_Tux> why do you want to most recent mesa?
[05:26] <Kaapa> because I have an undersupported vid card
[05:26] <Kaapa> I want kms with radeon
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[05:31] <Camarade_Tux> well, you have the corresponding kernel?
[05:32] <Kaapa> yes
[05:32] <Kaapa> this is all related to ati proprietary drivers screwing with my system, I think
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[05:34] <Zordrak> damnnit
[05:34] <Zordrak> i just cant decide how big to make my lvm physical extents
[05:35] <Zordrak> could be anywhere between 64MB and 2GB and it doesnt make too much difference either way :S
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[05:36] <Camarade_Tux> toss a few coins, it'll give you a number in binary :)
[05:36] <slava_dp> divide the interval by two; throw the coin; divide the winning one by two; throw the coin; etc.....
[05:36] <slava_dp> hahaha Camarade_Tux
[05:36] <slava_dp> same thinking
[05:36] <Zordrak> im not a person who can easily handle making a random choice.. i need a justification
[05:37] <Camarade_Tux> god wanted it?
[05:37] Action: Zordrak is an atheisn
[05:37] <Zordrak> *athiest
[05:37] <frullet> science wanted it/
[05:37] <Camarade_Tux> mother nature wanted it? :)
[05:37] <Zordrak> science has to prove why it wants it :)
[05:37] <slava_dp> coin wanted it
[05:38] <Camarade_Tux> it's deterministic but you don't know it yet ?
[05:39] <Zordrak> im tempted to go for 256MB because that was the max PE size for LVW1
[05:39] <Zordrak> *LVM1
[05:39] <Zordrak> it doent mean anything.. but its at least a *reason*
[05:40] <Camarade_Tux> 303 because there are 302 people in this channel :)
[05:41] <Zordrak> must be 2^*
[05:41] <Camarade_Tux> 2^^303 ? :D
[05:41] <Zordrak> um.. 1.6e91? perhaps not
[05:44] <Zordrak> umm  i think im warming to 256MB
[05:44] <Zordrak> if one assumed lvm1 limits.. then the maximum num of PEs would be 65536. 65536x256MB = 16TB
[05:45] <toastytoast> i would roll a 10d20 and increase it by that many mbs
[05:45] <Zordrak> the maximum theoretical size of my cluster (without a new chassis etc) is 16TB
[05:45] <toastytoast> or 20d20s
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[05:47] <Zordrak> the numbers just seem to fit nicely.. im within the lvm1 limits.. within my architectural limits.. within sane limits and 256MB is not a huge amount of space to waste at the front and end of the cluster.. and its also a reasonable minimum fraction for growth
[05:48] Action: toastytoast rolls 1d4 
[05:48] Action: toastytoast gets a 2
[05:48] <Zordrak> and it allows for a maximum VG size af 4 billion exabytes :)
[05:48] <toastytoast> i disgree with you
[05:48] <toastytoast> becasue the dice told me to
[05:48] <Zordrak> heh
[05:54] <toastytoast> altho i think your argument on the 256 makes the msot sense
[05:54] <Zordrak> :)
[05:54] <toastytoast> but rolling dice is just so much fun
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[06:10] <TwinReverb> (about /topic) hey at least someone fixes the bugs
[06:10] <TwinReverb> i can be using outlook, access, internet explorer, and excel on windows xp at work (.mil) and a system with 1GB RAM is eating into swap by 800 MB!
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[06:17] <TwinReverb> xchat, firefox, kontact, openoffice database and openoffice spreadsheet, skype, and pidgin, and my memory usage is 1GB used (only 337 if you don't count cache) and no swap
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[06:23] <shyko> hello slackers!
[06:24] <metrofox> hi shyko
[06:26] <shyko> hi metrofox, how you're doing?
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[06:35] <metrofox> shyko: well thank you, and you? :)
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[06:59] <fred> a/win 21
[06:59] <fred> oops
[06:59] <Zordrak> \o/
[07:00] <slava_dp> hey fred :)
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[07:28] <steiger> helllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[07:29] <undurundur> Helo
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[07:31] <anavel> hey, is there a forum that's dedicated to slackware ? like, ubuntuforums.org ?
[07:32] <mako-sama> anavel: linuxquestions has a big slackware subforum
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[07:33] <shyko> anavel: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/
[07:33] <tewmten> ugh.. helping users with wifi problems over the phone
[07:33] <tewmten> sucks
[07:33] <anavel> beside that. anything else ?
[07:34] <tewmten> so i told him to restart the wifi access point, if that doesn't help, beat it repeatedly with a hammer, then go to the pub and get drunk
[07:34] <tewmten> he was happy with that answer.. good user
[07:35] <shyko> anavel: what you'r looking for?
[07:36] <anavel> something like, ubuntuforums.org ? dedicated slackware forum.
[07:37] <mako-sama> the only one I can think of is linuxquestions's subforum
[07:37] <mako-sama> and this channel
[07:39] <shyko> but, what are you looking for? help? create a new tool?
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[07:42] <anavel> shyko: just curious :)
[07:42] <shyko> :)
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[07:45] <mako-sama> someone here suggested a slackware forum few months ago
[07:46] <lotec> the forum on LinuxQuestions is preety good
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[07:50] <shyko> talking about LQ...
[07:50] <shyko> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-users-in-the-world-766517/
[07:50] <shyko> I'm from Brazil :)
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[07:54] <rogersman> anyone how to configure which devices will bring computer out of standby?  I would like to add keyboard for ex...
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[07:56] <steiger> shyko: we
[07:57] <shyko> steiger: é nóis ;)
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[08:01] <steiger> shyko: pode crer ;P
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[08:02] <shyko> but, where are the others slackers around the world?
[08:03] <shyko> :)
[08:03] <Zordrak> everywhere
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[08:06] <haldir> another good forum (although signal to noise ratio can be  bad at times) is alt.os.liunx.slackware on usenet
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[08:11] <Sasaya> hi
[08:12] <shyko> hi
[08:12] <Sasaya> i've been using ubuntu/debian based distros, and i want to learn more. so i thought slackware would do the job
[08:12] <shyko> and it will do
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[08:13] <Sasaya> is there some major changes wich i should ... erm.. study first so that i dont get frustrated?
[08:13] <Sasaya> kk, the package system, but that i can handle, i think
[08:14] <slava_dp> Sasaya, learn cfdisk, as you have to partition manually before installation.
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[08:14] <slava_dp> Sasaya, then just do a full install and start from there.
[08:14] <Sasaya> i have separated / and /home, am i able to install slack only to the / part?
[08:15] <slava_dp> Sasaya, of course. it will ask you to mount /home.
[08:15] <Sasaya> i think i have root with 10G
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[08:15] <Sasaya> so i don't need to do any partition at all this way?
[08:15] <steiger> Sasaya: 10G will do for root
[08:15] <steiger> a full install needs a little less than 5g
[08:16] <Sasaya> great
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[08:21] <Sasaya> oh, and one more stupid question, i have AMD Turion 64 X2, are there any problems with that? (i'm remmebering something that intel would do better, but...)
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[08:22] <steiger> Sasaya: well, no problems that I know of
[08:22] <jill> hi
[08:22] <steiger> hi jil
[08:22] <steiger> jill
[08:23] <jill> i have a questons
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[08:23] <jill> can i ask here?
[08:23] <jill> first time on slackware
[08:23] <thrice`> you just did
[08:24] <Sasaya> steiger: thanks
[08:24] <jill> i use netpkg (zenwalk) and i install proftpd.. but i dont know how to enable this daemon here (i know how to do it in debian, arch, ubuntu but here is too difficult to undestand) if you know any cool links give me please
[08:25] <alienBOB> Look in /etc/inetd.conf jill - at least that is how you enable proftpd in Slackware
[08:25] <slava_dp> jill, afaik the ftp daemons are run from inetd.
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[08:25] <slava_dp> beat me again :(
[08:26] <slava_dp> Sasaya, we use a vanilla linux kernel. so no problems whatsoever :)
[08:27] <shyko> alienBOB was quicker than me :(
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[08:29] <hiptobecubic> Sasaya, i'm running that cpu right now. Things are peachy.
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[08:29] <Sasaya> hiptobecubic: nice
[08:30] <Sasaya> i've actually tried slackware before, but i didn't do well with it  that time, mostly due lack of my english
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[08:36] <steiger> ah, cultural barriers
[08:36] <steiger> the strongest ever.
[08:37] <slava_dp> yeah, one has to have some knowledge of english to take a bite of slack.
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[08:48] <jill> slava_dp: i am in
[08:48] <jill> slava_dp: /etc/inetd.conf
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[08:50] <grazymax> hi all
[08:50] <shyko> jill: uncomment the line "ftp     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  proftpd"
[08:51] <shyko> and restart inetd
[08:51] <shyko> grazymax: hi
[08:51] <grazymax> hi shyko
[08:51] <jill> shyko: i see username is root in this string.. is it safe?
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[08:53] <elliot98> does anyone know how to set up Spellcheck in Quanta?
[08:54] <elliot98> or change it to another spellchecker
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[08:55] <shyko> jill: this is the daemon, why not?
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[08:55] <shyko> the configuration file is in /etc/proftpd.conf
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[08:56] <jill> okay.. i thought it will identify ftp connection users as root
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[09:05] <Zordrak> ok.. channel 3 in my quest for answers:
[09:05] <Zordrak> and on that topic.. i dont suppose anyone has any experience with choosing a logfile size for an xfs FS on a logical volume do they? since logs arent currently growable.. i have to consider how big the lv *could* get
[09:05] <Zordrak> given the default log size for a 2.7TB (size of vg) FS would be ~128M its tempting to set that same log size for any and all... but as no one lv will reach 2.7T it seems like a waste and a possible barrier to quick recovery to do so
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[09:11] <Zordrak> and what the F is the deal with there being only 5 google results on (unquoted) xfs reldiratime
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[09:13] <slava_dp> Zordrak should have used ext3 for the vg :-)
[09:13] <Zordrak> slava_dp: huh?
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[09:14] <slava_dp> you could get some more google results for that :)
[09:15] <Zordrak> yeah.. and lose several hundred gigs to the fs too
[09:16] <Zordrak> ive asked the xfs log size question in ##slackware, #lopsa and #xfs and with the exception of slava_dp i have silenced all three channels
[09:16] <straterra> Zordrak: thats just because you have all the helpful people on ignore
[09:18] <sahko> straterra must be on top of that list:)
[09:18] <straterra> Indeed
[09:18] <Zordrak> what list?
[09:18] <straterra> And the fact that uhm..the channel wasn't very active in the first place..
[09:18] <sahko> Zordrak: do you have a copy of the gloxyslack stuff somewhere?
[09:19] <sahko> Zordrak: the ignore list
[09:19] <straterra> Wait for it..
[09:19] <Zordrak> sahko: is the *only* person in mine..
[09:19] <Zordrak> will check for gs
[09:20] <sahko> thanks:) searching google for the sources turns up a log of ## where you say you use em. its quite old though
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[09:25] <Zordrak> sahko: mailaddr?
[09:25] <sahko> agh. i ll pm you it
[09:25] <Zordrak> kk
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[09:31] <Zordrak> sahko: subject s/3/2x1/
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[09:37] <sahko> Zordrak: thats both kdm and splash?
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[09:37] <Zordrak> yeah i think so
[09:37] <Zordrak> dont totally remember
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[09:40] <sahko> its only splash
[09:41] <sahko> oh you sent another mail:)
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[09:43] <sahko> fantastic
[09:46] <Camarade_Tux> anyone here using xen? (the hypervisor)
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[09:48] <spook> Camarade_Tux: no, but use libvirt with it
[09:49] <Camarade_Tux> I'm looking at kvm vs. xen, I know of people who use kvm but of nobody using xen so I can't really get an unbiaised opinion
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[09:51] <spook> unless you want the guest to run an ancient kernel, use kvm
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[09:51] <pthreat> o/
[09:52] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I want to run several different OSes, including windows x64 and obsuobscure architectures
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[09:53] <spook> xen cant cross emulate, afaik, and nor can kvm.
[09:54] <Camarade_Tux> I saw that current xen could and that kvm could too
[09:54] <pthreat> Camarade_Tux: what about http://www.virtualbox.org/
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[09:55] <Camarade_Tux> pthreat: virtualbox is too limited for my needs and you can't mix kvm/xen/vbox on the same machine
[09:55] <Camarade_Tux> (well, they can't share the hardware virt)
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[09:56] <spook> Camarade_Tux: you cant use hardware virt to cross emulate.
[09:57] <jill> how to enable proftpd now without restarting my system?
[09:58] <sahko>  /etc/rc.d/proftpd start ? assuming theres an rc file
[09:59] <slava_dp> /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart
[09:59] <pthreat> I think it's more like chmod 755 /etc/rc.d/rc.proftpd; /etc/rc.d/rc.proftpd start
[09:59] <slava_dp> lol there is no rc.proftpd :)
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[09:59] <sahko> i didnt even remember that was in slackware
[09:59] <pthreat> what proftpd ?
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[10:00] <spook> no, you need to edit /etc/inetd.conf
[10:00] <Cann0n> just letting ya'll I'm alive.
[10:00] <spook> then restart inetd
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[10:01] <pthreat> the question is if he even runs inetd :/
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[10:02] <thrice`> he's running zenwalk, who cares? :)
[10:03] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I need hardware virt for 64bit guests on 64bit hosts
[10:03] <spook> Camarade_Tux: linux host?
[10:03] <Camarade_Tux> yes
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[10:04] <spook> kvm.
[10:04] <spook> hands down.
[10:04] <spook> especially on slackware.
[10:04] <Camarade_Tux> why that last point?
[10:04] <Camarade_Tux> and the other one too ^^
[10:06] <spook> because
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[10:07] <Camarade_Tux> he
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[10:07] <spook> i'm drunk, dont ask me to reason
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[10:08] <Zordrak> spook: what do you know about xfs log sizes?
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[10:09] <spook> xfs has logs?
[10:10] <Camarade_Tux> journalized fs
[10:10] <spook> oh right
[10:10] <Zordrak> "not much" then..
[10:10] <spook> Zordrak: i know notzing! notzing!
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[10:19] <Zordrak> W T F?!?! After a painful crash.. logging in to one of the cluster boxes as root prints "Warning: add_groups: Invalid argument" before the uname output
[10:19] <spook> awesome!
[10:19] <Zordrak> i cont ever work out where its coming from
[10:20] <Camarade_Tux> empty file?
[10:20] <Zordrak> ?
[10:20] <Zordrak> hmmm.. its on both
[10:21] <Zordrak> so its a system config issue somewheres
[10:21] <Zordrak> but i have no idea how long ago it started
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[10:22] <spook> awesome!
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[10:22] <Zordrak> ok.. so its gonna be yp related :(
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[10:23] <rworkman> Zordrak: while read line ; do grep root | wc -l ; done < /etc/group
[10:23] <rworkman> If that number is greater than 16, there's your problem.
[10:24] <rworkman> It's a harmless warning, unless you're actually using NIS, in which case, I don't know.  Supposedly NIS can't handle more than 16 groups for a user to be in.
[10:24] <Zordrak> right.. its 16 in /etc/group plus one from nis
[10:24] <Zordrak> thanks..
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[10:25] <rworkman> You can work around that by taking root out of all the ones he would need to be in for dbus-related stuff (power,plugdev,netdev, maybe others), and adding a global allow for root in /etc/dbus/system.conf
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[10:25] <rworkman> I'm going to get kicked unless I go slow with this, but:
[10:25] <Zordrak> killed the nis group.. it was unnecessary (VERY legacy nis here right now)
[10:25] <rworkman>   <policy user="root">
[10:25] <rworkman>           <allow send_destination="*"/>
[10:26] <rworkman>           <allow send_interface="*"/>
[10:26] <rworkman>   </policy>
[10:26] <Zordrak> rworkman: appreciated.. but resolved with simple sanity
[10:26] <guaxinim> pastebin? =D
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[10:27] <rworkman> I'm hoping to get that added in 13.1, fwiw.  It's not like it's a security risk - root can just edit the file himself if so desired.  Users expect root to be, well, root, anyway IMHO.
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[10:27] <rworkman> guaxinim: :)
[10:27] <Zordrak> *nod*
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[10:27] <spook> rworkman: not in -current yet?
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[10:27] <rworkman> spook: not yet, no.  I've got a metric assload of stuff queued for -current :)
[10:27] <Zordrak> now.. back to my completely b0rked drbd
[10:27] <Camarade_Tux> rworkman: what is the goal with these settings?
[10:28] <rworkman> Camarade_Tux: to let root do anything over the system messagebus.
[10:28] <rworkman> IMO, that should be a default anyway upstream.
[10:28] <Camarade_Tux> thanks, and agreed ;-)
[10:29] <Camarade_Tux> actually I couldn't have imagined root couldn't...
[10:29] <rworkman> well, afk - gotta work
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[10:32] <Zordrak> yeah.. i *may* have totally destroyed my drbd :)
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[10:32] <spook> Zordrak: something about a mature code base? :P
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[10:33] <Zordrak> spook: no no. something about fucking around with dd, /dev/zero and raw access to a device with drbd living on it
[10:33] <Camarade_Tux> afk too :)
[10:33] <spook> ah fun fun
[10:34] <Zordrak> and guess who didnt write down the steps he took to acually create the drbd device and the relevent metadata
[10:36] <spook> let me guess...
[10:36] <guax> you?
[10:36] <guax> =D
[10:36] <spook> was it.... rworkman ?
[10:36] <Zordrak> lol
[10:36] <Zordrak> it doesnt totally matter cause im approaching it differently now
[10:36] <guax> it still hurts, i know that
[10:36] <Zordrak> i had a GPT 3TB sdb1 which drbd converted to a single block device
[10:37] <Zordrak> now i will simply want a raw block device on drbd for lvm to munch on
[10:37] <slava_dp> so the other way around.
[10:38] <Zordrak> not entirely
[10:38] <Zordrak> its a bit confuzzling
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[10:38] <spook> who else is participating in movember?
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[10:40] <sahko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0EwiZcfhKI
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[10:44] <Zordrak> awwffs i might as well upgrade drbd while im at it since 8.3.5 is out
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[10:48] <Zordrak> christ 8.3.6 is out
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[10:52] <Sasaya> erm, do you (people) use slapt-get or something, or are you "real" slackers what it comes to installing software?
[10:52] <thumbs> Sasaya: we don't recomment slapt-get
[10:52] <Sasaya> thumbs: why?
[10:52] <thumbs> Sasaya: better yet, use slackpkg and sbopkg
[10:53] Action: Sasaya takes notes
[10:53] <thumbs> Sasaya: dependency resolution is best done by the admin himself
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[10:53] <Sasaya> ='C i
[10:53] <thumbs> Sasaya: luckily, slackbuilds usually list them in the README file.
[10:53] <Sasaya> i'm changeing from *buntus
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[10:54] <Sasaya> oh, then i can understand that
[10:54] <sahko> Sasaya: automatic dependency resolution is a scam. this should be helpful http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/168-slackware/1427-slackware-package-management
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[10:54] <hitest> Sasaya: http://www.slackpkg.org/documentation.html
[10:55] <slava_dp> Sasaya, just do a full install, then get sbopkg and read README's, what thumbs said :)
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[10:55] <Sasaya> well i have fist to download the image... looks like i have time to stady first
[10:55] <Sasaya> *first
[10:55] <thumbs> Sasaya: pleae note that slckpkg is used for native slackware packeges, and sbopkg for slackbuilds
[10:56] <Sasaya> oh
[10:56] <sahko> yeah do that. read the channel topic
[10:56] <sahko> and follow the links*
[10:56] <thumbs> Sasaya: see www.slackbuilds.org
[10:56] <Sasaya> sahko: i checked them out
[10:56] <stygian> im gonna go out on a limb here.. i made myself a very simple manual dependcey tracking script
[10:56] <Sasaya> thumbs: i'm downloadin already, unfortunately my connection speed isn't great
[10:57] <hitest> Sasaya: yes you should read the book before your install http://www.slackbook.org/
[10:57] <stygian> just does slackpkg install $(slackpkg search $(ldd $1)) with a little awk.
[10:57] <thumbs> Sasaya: sbopkg is a nice ncurses utility where you can search for packages.
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[10:57] <spook> commandline too
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[10:57] <spook> sbopkg -s
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[10:58] <slava_dp> spook fail. sbopkg -g.
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[10:59] <spook> slava_dp: -s does what i want usually
[10:59] <Zordrak> MPSimmons: FYI the response in #xfs (finally) is that the ONLY reason not to have 128MB xfs logs (128M being the maximum) is using up space. if you have the space to spare, ALL XFS logs should be 128M
[10:59] <Zordrak> err.. ignore MPSimmons :)
[10:59] <ananke> Sasaya: i think it's safe to say that if you want dependency resolution, you should use another distro
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[11:00] <Sasaya> ananke: all did, was i asked if anyone uses it...
[11:00] <slava_dp> Sasaya, i think it's safe to say that dependency resolution is not an epic problem on slackware. not even a problem at all.
[11:00] <slava_dp> ;)
[11:00] <Sasaya> then suddenly everyone started to bomb me with links
[11:01] <thrice`> :)
[11:01] <sahko> haha. wrong place to ask
[11:01] <slava_dp> Sasaya, we like newcomers
[11:01] <hitest> heh
[11:01] <spook> i dont
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[11:01] <Sasaya> slava_dp: i can see that
[11:01] <ananke> Sasaya: that's typical. you have mentioned one of the unmentionables
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[11:01] <antiwire> fresh meat? mmm
[11:01] <Sasaya> i said it before today, i
[11:01] <spook> i only like newcomers who listen and aren't douches.
[11:01] <Sasaya> ...
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[11:01] <slava_dp> spook, you grumpy old fart :)
[11:01] <hitest> spook: lol
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[11:01] <spook> Sasaya: so far you're doing above average.
[11:02] <spook> slava_dp: i'm only 21
[11:02] <slava_dp> spook, guess what... i know :)
[11:02] <Sasaya> spook: well i work computer support so.... ;)
[11:02] <Sasaya> *as com..
[11:02] <antiwire> lmao
[11:02] <Sasaya> argh, i have to change the keyboard
[11:03] <Sasaya> this one is odd...
[11:03] <spook> Sasaya: imagine the worst caller you've had, multiply by 10, and thats the average newbie in ##slackware
[11:03] <hitest> Sasaya: I think you'll like Slackware.....take your time with it
[11:03] <slava_dp> gtg, take care everyone. work day is over.
[11:04] <Sasaya> spook: callers are easy... but try to wisit 'em
[11:04] <antiwire> I think Slackware will eat Sasaya's lunch and throw the empty bag at him
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[11:06] <Zordrak> omg
[11:07] <Zordrak> drbd now has a configure script... AND it tests for /etc/slackware-version to configure for slack...
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[11:08] <haldir> slackware is amazingly easy to set up and use if you take your time and think as you go. not sure why it would eat someone's lunch
[11:09] <antiwire> ...
[11:09] <antiwire> you're not from around these parts are you
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[11:10] <Zordrak> ... but it still doesnt support DESTDIR
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[11:15] <Zordrak> wait.. it does support destdir
[11:15] <Zordrak> i can finally make a drbd slackbuild
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[11:18] <hiptobecubic> I thought I was a decent programmer. At least kind of. This puzzle has a 13sec time limit. My algorithm takes over a minute to do 1 case out of 50. :D what a slap in the face
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[11:19] <spook> Zordrak: yay
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[11:25] <Zordrak> spook: yeah.. might not be that easy.. cant get it to build the module
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[11:26] <hiptobecubic> i dunno, slackware didn't eat my lunch, AND I cam straight from ubuntu, AND my linux experience totalled about 5 months.
[11:26] <hiptobecubic> Just read the book and then don't listen to anything in #ubuntu or the ubuntuforums and you're good to go.
[11:26] <Sasaya> good point actually
[11:27] <Sasaya> i was banned from #ubuntu =D
[11:27] <hiptobecubic> Sasaya, lol why?
[11:27] <hiptobecubic> It's not that they are wrong per se, they just aren't slackware.
[11:27] <Sasaya> ubuntu doesn't support drinking i think
[11:27] <Zordrak> ah.. need o point it at /usr/include/sinux not the hactual source tree
[11:27] <hiptobecubic> Zordrak, sinux?
[11:27] <spook> Zordrak: well thats where the kernel headers are
[11:28] <Zordrak> nope i was wrong
[11:28] <Zordrak> that doesnt work any better
[11:28] <hiptobecubic> i'd say you meant linux.. but 's' and 'l' aren't even on the same hand. Unless you have a non-us keyboard?
[11:28] <Zordrak> hiptobecubic: dvorak
[11:28] <hiptobecubic> Zordrak, ahhh. you're one of those :D
[11:29] <hiptobecubic> Zordrak, did you scratch all of the letters off of your keys?
[11:29] <Zordrak> re-arranged
[11:29] <hiptobecubic> lol
[11:29] <hiptobecubic> and are you faster?
[11:29] <Zordrak> whos to say
[11:29] <hiptobecubic> You.
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[11:29] <Sasaya> dvorak could be some use, if the left and right hand would be turned
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[11:30] <hiptobecubic> The only other keyboard mapping i might ever want to learn is the frogpad for one-handed typing
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[11:30] <hiptobecubic> the problem with dvorak is that it only works on the two computers you use at home... and Zordrak's apparently
[11:31] <Sasaya> hiptobecubic: i've been thinking frogpad too
[11:31] <Zordrak> hiptobecubic: i use qwerty and dvorak side-by-side
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[11:31] <Sasaya> good for handhelds
[11:31] <Zordrak> i work on qwerty.. i IRC on dvorak
[11:31] <hiptobecubic> Zordrak, why's that?
[11:31] <Zordrak> to learn to be keyboard-bilingual
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[11:32] <hiptobecubic> lol
[11:32] <Zordrak> so it doesnt matter which im presented with.. im just ready to go
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[11:33] <hiptobecubic> That's like saying i want to be bilingual, so i go out and learn Ket from siberia.
[11:33] <Sasaya> and then you become blind and don't know wich one you are useing...
[11:33] <Zordrak> havent done so for
[11:33] <Zordrak> *far
[11:33] <Zordrak> but i still have a problem with vowels on dvorak
[11:33] <hiptobecubic> Zordrak, do you have trouble switching mental gears between the two?
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[11:34] <hiptobecubic> Zordrak, yeah. I can't imagine the keys being in the wrong place. I'd melt.
[11:34] <Zordrak> hiptobecubic: occasionally... if ive been on dvorak for ages.. i sometimes have to pause and regain my composure to start on qwerty
[11:34] <Sasaya> Zordrak: don't know about you, but i would like to use vowels under my right hand
[11:34] <thumbs> Sasaya: you'll notice that our community is much friendlier than ubuntu's
[11:35] <Zordrak> Sasaya: theres more consanants than there are vowels
[11:35] <Sasaya> thumbs: i'm sure that the first one was only initation things...
[11:35] <thumbs> Sasaya: oh yes, we make sure you're actuall capable of running slack.
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[11:36] <Sasaya> )= that can't possibly mean anything good to me
[11:36] <thumbs> Sasaya: on the contrary.
[11:37] <thumbs> Sasaya: we make sure that you're self-sufficient enough to undertake the journey.
[11:37] <Sasaya> n... well i start to beat canonical out of me
[11:37] <thumbs> Sasaya: if you weren't, we would recommend another distro.
[11:38] <Sasaya> well arch and gentoo could be worth to try too, but they didn't impress me much
[11:39] <thumbs> arch adds dependency checking to an old slackware base. But it lacks luster compared to the latest slackware offerings.
[11:39] <Sasaya> i want to know how stuff works, not to keep compiling them
[11:39] <thumbs> Sasaya: see, you have the right attitude for slackware.
[11:39] <Sasaya> + i have 64 bit, so its not actually any use to use arch
[11:39] <thumbs> Sasaya: you're in luck! Slack64 is out.
[11:40] <shyko> Sasaya: so, welcome to slack
[11:40] <Sasaya> i noticed =D
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[11:40] <Sasaya> ... well i first have to wait my image to download and then succesfully install it... then i can start to cry about my wlan
[11:41] <thumbs> Sasaya: what chipset?
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[11:42] <Sasaya> 802.11 b/g , don't know much more, integrated insiede of Acer Aspire 5100
[11:42] <Zordrak> Sasaya: fail
[11:42] <Sasaya> but i've made it work before, so i can do it again
[11:42] <thumbs> Sasaya: the chipset is extremely important. Run lspci -vv with a livecd
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[11:44] <Sasaya> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[11:44] <spook> Sasaya: yeah you've just dropped to average.
[11:44] <thumbs> oh, boy.
[11:45] <vaibhav> Sasaya, facing problems with broadcom ?
[11:45] <Sasaya> atleast i used it with |grep -i wlan
[11:45] <shyko> Sasaya: that's my card!
[11:45] <Sasaya> shyko: are ya working?
[11:45] <vaibhav> shyko: even i use this card
[11:45] <shyko> yeap
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[11:46] <Sasaya> so i'm saved by the enlightment ones \o/
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[11:46] <Zordrak> yep.. i was all weird on the kernel front
[11:47] <thrice`> I think I read that the next fedora release is shipping with OSS broadcom firmware
[11:47] <Zordrak> a clean kernel and im good to go with the drbd slackbuild
[11:47] <Kaapa> guys, anyone has a list of the changes the ati driver makes on the system?
[11:47] <thumbs> Sasaya: I suppose older kernels had issues with that card.
[11:48] <shyko> Sasaya: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/broadcom-sta/
[11:48] <Sasaya> i have ATI too so no wonder
[11:48] <Sasaya> never buy acer again
[11:49] <vaibhav> shyko: ohh slackbuilds has a build for this too...kind of amazed
[11:49] <thrice`> well, the argument that you have to pick and choose hardware to run linux kind of sucks
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[11:50] <adamk> Kaapa: Quite a few.
[11:50] <vaibhav> thrice`: as a matter of fact, in india where i live...all the hardware vendors appear same to me if i want to run linux...so my priority kind of ends on which has the best service and reliability
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[11:51] <adamk> Kaapa: Please tell me that you created slackware packages from the fglrx driver when you installed it?
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[11:55] <Kaapa> adamk: would I be asking if I did? :@
[11:55] <Kaapa> I know, I know, I know!
[11:56] <Kaapa> adamk: do you have one so that I can look at what that thing changes and rollback manually? I think I did to all of them, but....
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[11:59] <thrice`> mesa and libdrm are probably the only 2 with effected files
[12:00] <adamk> Kaapa: Sorry, I only tested it briefly when I first installed slackware 13 and then uninstalled it.
[12:01] <adamk> libglx might get replaced, too, which would be xorg-server.
[12:01] <adamk> But I'm not sure about that one.
[12:02] <thrice`> can't hurt to reinstall :)
[12:03] <Kaapa> I've reinstalled mesa, xserver and glprotp
[12:04] <thrice`> why any of the protos?  those are just headers, and shouldn't matter
[12:05] <Kaapa> thrice`: it was missing some header files
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[12:05] <mako-sama> anyone here used partimage to restore an image to a smaller partition?
[12:06] <adamk> Kaapa: I think that would take care of it all.
[12:07] <Kaapa> adamk: Im building a slackbuild of fglrx to be sure
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[12:24] <Nigromante> hi
[12:24] <deco> hi
[12:24] <shyko> hi
[12:25] <thrice`> hi
[12:25] <Nigromante> that's hi^4
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[12:27] <Zordrak> not really
[12:27] <Zordrak> hi^4 = hi
[12:28] <Zordrak> 2hi^2 perhaps
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[12:29] <spook> hi
[12:29] <spook> thats hi five
[12:29] <spook> BA DUM TISH
[12:30] Action: Zordrak stabs spook in the eye with a spork
[12:30] Action: spook dodges
[12:30] <Zordrak> spook has somehow invented time-travel..
[12:30] <spook> i'm a ninja
[12:31] <Zordrak> i have a cat called ninja
[12:31] <Nigromante> i dont have cat
[12:31] <mancha> i hope that means we'll have ssl
[12:31] <Zordrak> Nigromante: yes you do.. $(which cat) :)
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[12:32] Action: spook poisons Zordrak 
[12:32] <Nigromante> mmm
[12:32] Action: Zordrak fails to swallow
[12:32] <Scuzz> ssl is useless unless everyone in the channel uses it
[12:32] <Zordrak> .. this could go on all night
[12:33] <mancha> Scuzz that is inaccurate
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[12:33] <spook> Zordrak: guess again. its a suppository
[12:33] <Zordrak> more accurate: ssl is mostly useless on a publicly-logged channel
[12:33] <mancha> clearly the channel here is logged, so it's not about keeping "public" talk "private"
[12:33] <Zordrak> spook: i have a titinium male chastity belt
[12:34] <Zordrak> *titanium
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[12:34] <Zordrak> I put on my robe and wizard hat... :D
[12:34] <mancha> it's about keeping private talk, private. this is the essence of encrypted communication.
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[12:35] Action: spook wields a frozen eel
[12:35] <Nigromante> for privacy issues, you can review www.private.com
[12:35] Action: Zordrak compiled an eel-warmer into his kernel
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[12:36] <Nick_Patterson> Come on man that's NSFW. FFS.
[12:36] <spook> thats vannable
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[12:37] <Scuzz> mancha, if one person in the channel isnt using a secure connection your communications on that channel will not be secure
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[12:37] <mancha> Scuzz, you're not groking me solider. again, i don't seek to make public chat private, i seek to keep private chat private
[12:37] <jill1> what is default proftpd directory? /var/ftp or /home/ftp?
[12:37] <Scuzz> k now i see what your talking baout
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[12:38] <Scuzz> about*
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[12:38] <mancha> but you are right about ssl not making sense in a group setting if one or more client-members is using plaintext.
[12:39] <mancha> unless you only concern is your own pathway to the group.
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[12:39] <Nigromante> Zordrak, I've heard they are planning to change the White house's colour
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[12:46] <slackytude> greetings
[12:46] <drijen2> hi
[12:46] <hitest> hi
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[12:46] <shyko> hi
[12:46] <drijen2> o/
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[12:51] <Nigromante> hi
[12:53] <deco> hi
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[12:56] <Zordrak> does anyone satisfy the following three criteria?: 1. Vaguely know what you're doing 2. Feeling helpful 3. Have a reasonably stock 13.0 install (32 or 64)
[12:57] <hiptobecubic> Zordrak, what is 'reasonably' stock?
[12:58] <Zordrak> just the kernel & sources really
[12:58] <Nigromante> Zordrak: I satisfy 1 & 2
[12:59] <metrofox> is there anybody here who compiled slim with gcc-4.4.2 using the SBo.org SlackBuild?
[13:02] <slackytude> Zordrak, somewhat
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[13:02] <slackytude> had to downgrade mysql today on the work machine
[13:02] <Zordrak> slackytude: want to test a slackbuild that builds a kmod?
[13:02] <slackytude> from -current to 13
[13:02] <slackytude> Zordrak, sure
[13:03] <Zordrak> ..sec
[13:03] <sahk0> metrofox: slim needs a patch to compile with GCC 4.4.x
[13:03] <rworkman> metrofox: add an include for stdio.h in switchuser.cpp
[13:03] <metrofox> sahk0: yeah... I see :)
[13:03] <sahk0> ^yeah
[13:03] <rworkman> remove(3) is defined there :)
[13:03] <thrice`> metrofox, http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/gentoo-x86/x11-misc/slim/files/slim-1.3.1-gcc4.4.patch?rev=1.1
[13:03] <sahk0> what rworkman said
[13:03] <thrice`> cstdio *
[13:04] <metrofox> thank you thrice` , sahk0 , rworkman :)
[13:04] <rworkman> It was faster to test the build than to search for a patch :)
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[13:05] <thrice`> it should be fixed on sbo, then, if you're so fast :>
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[13:05] <sahk0> :D true
[13:05] <sahk0> but GCC 4.4.x isnt default on 13.0 i guess
[13:06] <metrofox> sahk0: you're right :)
[13:07] <XGizzmo> GCC 4.4.x is not even default on -current
[13:07] <thrice`> meh, a harmless patch is harmless
[13:07] <rworkman> thrice`: it almost is :)
[13:07] <sahk0> yeah issues with slim is one of the reasons its not, obviously
[13:08] <sahk0> issues like the one with slim*
[13:10] <rworkman> The patch is harmless because stdio inclusion can't hurt.
[13:10] <rworkman> Of course, I might find otherwise once someone tries to build it on 13.0 stock, but I'll burn that bridge when I get there
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[13:14] <dive> anyone using a Brother printer + the linux cupswrapper driver from Brother w/site?
[13:15] <dive> I'm thinking of getting an A3 all in one for the museum I work at, but it isn't supported by cups directly
[13:16] <dive> just wondering if anyone has tried the Brother driver and had any problems with it
[13:16] <gar0t0> anyone have problems using skype + internal mic?
[13:16] <mancha> happy birthday firefox!
[13:16] <fire|bird> dive: I use a Brother all-in-one MFC240C with brother's drivers and it works great.
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[13:16] <rworkman> metrofox: fwiw, gdm kicks slim's ass though :)
[13:17] <dive> ah nice
[13:17] <amazon10x> i'm trying to get my fn brightness keys working. should i just setup a shortcut in xfce?
[13:17] <Zordrak> slackytude: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/11/09/drbd-8-3-6-slackbuild/
[13:17] <dive> I'm looking at a MFC5890CN
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[13:18] <thrice`> rworkman, can you use 2.28.x of gdm?
[13:20] <rworkman> no
[13:20] <thrice`> Zordrak, why do you set that KDIR variable?
[13:20] <rworkman> afk for lunch
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[13:21] <slackytude> Zordrak, worked
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[13:22] <Zordrak> slackytude: tyvm 32 or 64?
[13:22] <slackytude> 32
[13:22] <slackytude> whatever tyvm means
[13:22] <Zordrak> thrice`: it's for the make
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[13:23] <Zordrak> tyvm: thank you very much
[13:23] <Zordrak> thrice`: is in the README
[13:23] <slackytude> ah ^-^
[13:23] <thrice`> but it's never exported or anything
[13:23] <metrofox> lol... :/ it's already been patched... so quick!
[13:23] <metrofox> ^^
[13:23] <archiebenedict> if i accidently erase a file on an ext3 filesystem, is there a way to get it back?
[13:24] <slackytude> not easily
[13:24] <archiebenedict> is debugfs the right tool for the job/
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[13:26] <Zordrak> thrice`: hmph.. i made a bad assumption
[13:26] <Zordrak> do i export or do i call "make KDIR=$KDIR"
[13:26] <thrice`> neither
[13:26] <thrice`> doesn't seem to be used at all
[13:26] <Zordrak> no.. i mean.. instead
[13:26] <thrice`> I don't know, I've never used it
[13:27] <thrice`> :)
[13:27] <Zordrak> the normal call is "make KDIR=/usr/src/linux"
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[13:28] <Zordrak> i will nip back to sbo and poke robby
[13:29] <amazon10x> why does the xfce4-power-manager shipped with slackware not include the lcd brightness plugin?
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[13:30] <thrice`> because it's too old
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[13:39] <mancha> in a mere 5 years, it has gone from the sleek successor to netscape to bloat^2 heh
[13:40] <Nick_Patterson> to your virile mother?
[13:40] <Nick_Patterson> OOPS
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[13:51] <Necos> gee...
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[13:54] <mihaylov> hello
[13:54] <mihaylov> can i install adept or yum on slack ?
[13:54] <Necos> no
[13:54] <mihaylov> hmm
[13:54] <slackytude> there is slackpkg and sbopkg
[13:55] <Necos> but, you can install sbopkg and slackpkg (which is installed already)
[13:55] <mihaylov> y, slackpkg i have
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[13:56] <slackytude> sbopkg.ogr
[13:56] <slackytude> sbopkg.org
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[14:00] <slackytude> lol
[14:00] <slackytude> murdoch wants to block google
[14:01] <dive> yep
[14:01] <dive> totalitarium media eh
[14:02] <dive> ian even
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[14:10] <dive> seems a bit pointless really - all he will do is drive traffic away from his w/sites
[14:11] <dive> you would have thought google is a help rather than a hindererance
[14:12] <slackytude> we shall see how it plays out
[14:12] <slackytude> Im looking forward to it
[14:12] <Nigromante> Im looking backwards to it
[14:12] <dive> they've been talking about it for a few months now I think
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[14:13] <dive> maybe we should tell Murdoch what a robots.txt is
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[14:15] <vxdscn> Does any know where I download the legacy versions of slackware such as Slackware version 5
[14:15] <vxdscn> i need that version for testing a vul..
[14:15] <tom__> hi how do I debug the program which crashes, like firefox ?
[14:16] <mrselfpwn> strace
[14:16] <slackytude> guru meditation
[14:16] <mrselfpwn> for one
[14:16] <Zordrak> hmmm
[14:17] <Zordrak> the ocf is failing but manual succeeds
[14:17] <Zordrak> plot thickens
[14:17] <Zordrak> ahh i bet its bitching at an option
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[14:18] <Zordrak> hmph
[14:18] <mihaylov> how to install sbopkg ?
[14:18] <Zordrak> complaining about reldiratime
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[14:19] <Zordrak> mihaylov: installpkg
[14:19] <tom__> ehh please please help me :)
[14:19] <slackytude> get sbopkg package from website, do installpkg package as root
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[14:20] <Nigromante> why would I earn by helping you, tom__ ?
[14:20] <Nigromante> what
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[14:21] <Zordrak> thrice`: would seem setting KDIR in the script *is* enough for make to pull it
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[14:21] <dive> tom__, try strace or gdb
[14:22] <slackytude> godspeed
[14:22] <dive> and/or
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[14:25] <tom__> because Nigromante, Saint Mary the Virgin will compensate that you in children.
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[14:25] <Nigromante> ok, that's enough then :)
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[14:25] <dive> please don't ;-)
[14:26] <slackytude> how many children are we talking here=
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[14:26] <fire|bird> 20, 10 boys, 10 girls
[14:26] <slackytude> sounds expensive
[14:26] <Nigromante> I would be glad just with the step before (= girlfriends)
[14:26] <slackytude> heh
[14:27] <Nigromante> (many)
[14:27] <fire|bird> slackytude: indeed it would be.
[14:27] <slackytude> I usually use the souls of unborn children for trade
[14:27] <slackytude> easier to carry
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[14:28] <slackytude> you'll get a Higher Wish for, say, 15
[14:28] <dive> hmm I wouldn't like to find your wallet in the street then
[14:28] <fire|bird> lol
[14:28] <slackytude> heh
[14:28] <dive> 'hey a wallet, err.. wtf?'
[14:28] <Nigromante> children here, watch your language
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[14:29] <slackytude> maybe its just me, but I dont want to be paid in children
[14:29] <slackytude> people might talk
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[14:30] <slackytude> Id rather take some slavegirls
[14:30] <slackytude> y0 fredoslack
[14:30] <fredoslack> Hi slackytude  =)
[14:30] <fire|bird> hi fredoslack
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[14:31] <fredoslack> Hi fire|bird  =)
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[14:31] <tom__> hi tinky winky
[14:31] <dive> hi [*slack*|*bird]
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[14:31] <fire|bird> haha
[14:31] <fire|bird> How's it going dive?
[14:31] <tom__> hi phoo, hi lala
[14:31] <Zordrak> night all
[14:32] <fire|bird> night Zordrak
[14:32] <dive> not bad thanks
[14:32] <dive> nn
[14:32] <spook> Zordrak: night
[14:32] <spook> i am sleeping too
[14:32] <fire|bird> sleeping already? yet still irc'ing?
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[14:34] <spook> wasnt i going to sleep
[14:34] <spook> fire|bird: :P:
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[14:38] <Scuzz> is it faster to compile programs with make -j2 with a core 2 duo ?
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[14:39] <mrselfpwn> you can even use make -j 8
[14:39] <Scuzz> realy
[14:39] <Scuzz> thanx
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[14:40] <Scuzz> is ti -j 8 , or -j8
[14:40] <Scuzz> it*
[14:40] <mrselfpwn> I don't think it matters.
[14:40] <Scuzz> thank you sir
[14:40] <pprkut> usually depends on app, build-system, compiler/programming language
[14:40] <spook> no no no.
[14:40] <spook> use -j by itself
[14:40] <spook> :)
[14:40] <mrselfpwn>  /facepalm
[14:41] <mrselfpwn> yeah, go ahead. try that.  let me know how it goes.
[14:41] <mrselfpwn> I've never build enough courage to test it.
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[14:41] <mrselfpwn> built*
[14:41] <matu> Hi !
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[14:41] <matu> it is installed !
[14:41] <Scuzz> k so j alone
[14:41] <Nigromante> actually it is used in slackware package for kernel
[14:42] <spook> mrselfpwn: do it.
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[14:42] <spook> Scuzz: dont do it.
[14:42] <mrselfpwn> Scuzz: j alone means it has no limit
[14:42] <Scuzz> oh
[14:42] <spook> Scuzz: unless you actually understnad what it does
[14:42] <spook> infinite number of jobs
[14:42] <Scuzz> i ws reading something about jobs
[14:42] <spook> but it will be limited
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[14:42] <spook> because theres only so many parts that make can do parralelley
[14:43] <Scuzz> so i should be safe with 2 ?
[14:43] <mrselfpwn> Scuzz: I've used -j8 on my netbook with intel atom and had no problem.
[14:44] <pprkut> Scuzz: the usual "rule" is number of cores + 1
[14:44] <spook> or threads really
[14:44] <Scuzz> perfect thanx pprkut
[14:45] <pprkut> Scuzz: depending on the application higher numbers behind the j might result in shorter compile time or even longer compile times. Seen both.
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[14:45] <Scuzz> im compiling webkit right now with -j2
[14:45] <Scuzz> seems quicker
[14:46] <pprkut> also, some apps do not compile correctly when using more than 1 job
[14:46] <Scuzz> uhg
[14:46] <spook> pprkut: like what
[14:46] <Scuzz> k when things dont work i know what to change then
[14:47] <pprkut> spook: acpica, for example. A lot more though
[14:47] <pprkut> Scuzz: right
[14:47] <spook> oh.
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[14:49] <pprkut> spook: usually it's a bug in the build system, because make starts building stuff out of order, requiring things that haven't been built yet and therefore failing
[14:49] <spook> pprkut: oh so its bad makefiles
[14:49] <pprkut> you can say so, I guess
[14:50] <pprkut> for example, I've never seen cmake based projects with that behaviour
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[14:51] <pprkut> (which does a VERY good job at parallelizing the build btw, even on single core machines)
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[14:52] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[14:52] <Scuzz> great
[14:52] <Scuzz> mythtv website is down
[14:53] <Scuzz> thats what i was compiling webkit for
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[15:01] <matu> hi,looking at this url they say to launch init 3
[15:01] <matu> it seems to be unavailable, should i just stop kdm ?
[15:01] <matu> http://wiki.slackware-fr.org/materiel:articles:drivers_nvidia
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[15:02] <matu> let's do it >_<
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[15:02] <slackytude> matu, huh?
[15:02] <matu> slackytude,
[15:02] <matu> i want to go in init 3
[15:03] <matu> what should i do ?
[15:03] <matu> -in+to
[15:03] <slackytude> telinit 3
[15:03] <mrselfpwn> matu: use the slackbuild from slackbuilds.org
[15:03] <slackytude> or just init 3
[15:03] <matu> init 3 does nothing
[15:03] <tom__> Hey what software is responsible to list the directories content for firefox when using the box "save as" ?
[15:04] <slackytude> application specific
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[15:04] <slackytude> they usually call a api provided by the Framework, like Qt
[15:04] <mrselfpwn> matu: do you understand the difference between the inits?
[15:04] <matu> yes
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[15:04] <slackytude> which in turn, ask the WM, which asks the X and that call gets lost in kernel space somewhere
[15:04] <matu> using kde i am using init 5 and to install my driver i have to go to init 3
[15:05] <slackytude> and is drunk when it returns
[15:05] <slackytude> init 5?
[15:05] <mrselfpwn> ?
[15:05] <mrselfpwn> init 4 is correct for Slackware
[15:05] <matu> ah
[15:05] <mrselfpwn> for kde etc
[15:05] <matu> i discovered linux using suse
[15:05] <mrselfpwn> /etc/inittab
[15:05] <slackytude> suse or opensuse?
[15:06] <matu> suse
[15:08] <slackytude> hardcore
[15:09] <matu> hardcore ?
[15:09] <matu> why do you say it is hardcore ?
[15:09] <Alan_Hicks> matu: He must be drunk.
[15:09] <slackytude> nah
[15:09] <matu> ah it was ironic lol
[15:10] <slackytude> sort of
[15:10] <slackytude> I dislike suse
[15:10] <slackytude> but they used to be good
[15:10] <slackytude> its sad
[15:13] <tom__> should I downgrade the firefox version to be sure it will work ?
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[15:14] <mrselfpwn> I tryed suse once though because of system memory constraints did not have a good experience.
[15:14] <mrselfpwn> opensuse*
[15:15] <tom__> hmm the slack repos seems to contain only the newest versions, though.
[15:16] <Camarade_Tux> Scuzz: which version of webkit?
[15:16] <Camarade_Tux> opensuse is heavy as hell, the interface is really slow
[15:17] <Scuzz> Camarade_Tux, webkit (r45012)  from slackbuilds
[15:17] <Camarade_Tux> ok
[15:18] <Camarade_Tux> btw, which version is mythtv asking for?
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[15:18] <Scuzz> i want to use the 0.22
[15:18] <Scuzz> slackbuilds is listing rc1
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[15:19] <Scuzz> i compiled rc2 before using the 12.2 slackbuild and it worked fine
[15:19] <Scuzz> but now i want to try the 0.22 thats out
[15:19] <Scuzz> i had some issues with rc1
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[15:23] <beatzz> Sup slack hommies
[15:23] <Alan_Hicks> I ain't nobody's "hommie".
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[15:24] <sheep_> testing irssi, 1, 2, 3 over
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[15:27] <beatzz> exit
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[15:28] <Necos> wow...
[15:28] <Alan_Hicks> bennymack: You fail at life.
[15:28] <Necos> did anyone see the /. article about the new droid phone on verizon?
[15:28] <Camarade_Tux> Scuzz: I mean, which webkit-gtk version?
[15:28] <Necos> lol
[15:29] <Necos> webkit is kinda ewwww :P
[15:29] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: tab-fail? :P
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[15:29] <Alan_Hicks> Camarade_Tux: Yes.  I fail at life too.
[15:29] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[15:30] <Necos> actually, he just failed at realizing beatzz had already left chan :P
[15:30] <fredoslack> ah un deco
[15:30] <fredoslack> ioooo
[15:30] <Necos> >.>
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> Sorry guys, my mind is not the sharpest today.
[15:31] Action: Necos prods fredoslack with a pitchfork
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> I'm being forced to work on Windows PCs while a brand new tractor awaits me at home. :-(
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[15:32] <Alan_Hicks> It's days like this that I just want to say, "Fuck you Microsoft."
[15:32] <slackytude> heh
[15:33] <Camarade_Tux> what do you have to do on the windows machines?
[15:33] <Alan_Hicks> Camarade_Tux: What do you normally do with a broken Windows workstation?
[15:33] <slackytude> reimage it
[15:33] <Alan_Hicks> Exactly.
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[15:34] <slackytude> not worth the hassle for anything else
[15:34] <slackytude> except its the boss machine and is the only one who hasnt backed up his outlook crap
[15:34] <slackytude> then you clean it with a brush
[15:35] <slackytude> I curse thee outlook
[15:35] <Alan_Hicks> Right, so you have to back everything up using a slax disk with tar and nc, then format, re-install, run all the updates, install all the programs, then copy everything back over with xcopy.
[15:35] <slackytude> may the fleas of thousand camels infest your private parts!
[15:36] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, well, there is stuff like acronis too. tried FOG? its neat
[15:36] <Alan_Hicks> FOG?
[15:36] <slackytude> http://www.fogproject.org/
[15:36] <Alan_Hicks> Got a link?  I have a feeling that google will return an awful lot of nonesense for "windows fog"
[15:36] <tom__> May I do the upgrade-all under X env ?
[15:36] <Scuzz> Camarade_Tux, i dont see any specific version mention , the documetation jsut states that the mythbrowser now uses webkit browser engine without depeding on any kde libs
[15:37] <slackytude> tom__, not recommended but known to work
[15:37] <thrice`> tom__, depends, going from one version to another?
[15:37] <Alan_Hicks> Thanks, I'll look into it.
[15:37] <tom__> thrice`, no just to current
[15:37] <slackytude> np
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[15:38] <thrice`> tom__, it'll work OK, but for example, updating to a new KDE from within KDE, you should restart it afterwards anyway
[15:38] <slackytude> you'll probably have too
[15:38] <Camarade_Tux> Scuzz: ah, so it's probably qtwebkit, not webkit-gtk :)
[15:39] <Scuzz> corect
[15:39] <Scuzz> needs qt4 now
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[15:39] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: ever tried to "slipstream" the windows updates right in the installation CD? works pretty well and is damn easy and fast :)
[15:40] <Scuzz> slip stream is the way to go , takes forever to download service packs
[15:41] <Camarade_Tux> and the result is actually cleaner
[15:43] <Camarade_Tux> btw, I had started the beginning of a program that read microsoft's wsus files that describes all updates released and that downloads them but I never finished it (mostly because I had to work on 2GB of xml), I'll probably finish it one day but if anyone is interested, I can move that up my priority list
[15:43] <slackytude> your windows package manager?
[15:43] <Camarade_Tux> no
[15:43] <Camarade_Tux> the goal was to get the updates to slipstream into a windows cd
[15:44] <Scuzz> nice , i just discoverd virtual terminals
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[15:44] <slackytude> welcome to the 80'S
[15:44] <Scuzz> lol
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[15:44] <Scuzz> im finaly reading the slackbook
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[15:48] <beatzz> so if I install slackware onto a laptop.
[15:48] <beatzz> and during the installation process I have video
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[15:48] <tom__> How do I debug what lib crashes firefox ?
[15:48] <elliot98> I just got this tab
[15:48] <slackytude> tom__, just give it up
[15:49] <elliot98> from irc.hackerthreas.org
[15:49] <thrice`> maybe run "strace firefox"  and capture the output
[15:49] <elliot98> what is that?
[15:49] <thrice`> elliot98, do you know what this inkpen on my desk is?
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[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> tom__: can you reproduce it? can you identify something special? is there svg on the page? javascript...
[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> elliot98: dcc on port 0?
[15:50] <elliot98> no...but I didn't request a download, and it just showed up as a tab on KSirc
[15:50] <elliot98> wondering what it is about
[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, dcc request
[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> just a sec
[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> 05:23   freenode | DCC SEND from pleo [0.0.0.0 port 0]: irc.hackerthreads.org#hackerthreads [0B bytes] requested in channel ##slackware
[15:51] <Alan_Hicks> beatzz: Did you have an actualy question or did you come her just to write sentence fragments?
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux> few days old
[15:51] <tom__> strace shows nothing ...
[15:51] <Camarade_Tux> tom__: gdb?
[15:51] <elliot98> Camarade_Tuv..what is that?
[15:51] <tom__> yeah ... but what should I do to have firefox working back ?
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> request to send you a file, trying to exploit a bug in old mirc versions
[15:52] <elliot98> I see
[15:52] <elliot98> I clicked on disconnect
[15:52] <elliot98> is that what I should have done?
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> ah, forgot who firefox was annoying to run under gdb ><
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[15:53] <Camarade_Tux> elliot98: which page?
[15:53] <elliot98> is this something I should be concerned with?
[15:53] <elliot98> when it asks me to receive the file
[15:53] <elliot98> I click on disconnect
[15:53] <Alan_Hicks> tom__: You could edit the firefox shell script to call strace on the actual firefox-bin binary when run.
[15:53] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, needs some $LIB set
[15:53] <Alan_Hicks> tom__: Or you could setup your environment in the way that the shell script does and call it direct.
[15:54] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: The shell script does that.
[15:54] <Camarade_Tux> or run 'strace -f' I think
[15:54] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, right, didnt read that part
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[16:02] <mrselfpwn> tom__: what is your firefox doing wrong?
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[16:03] <tom__> Ehh whenever I open the box : SAVE AS and choose directory other than he propose, it crashes.
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[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> isn't that gtk crashing?
[16:04] <mrselfpwn> tom__: double check your home folder permissions
[16:04] <elliot98> anyway of knowing if my irc software has the exploit?
[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> tom__: have you tried to run firefox from terminal?
[16:04] <elliot98> *bug
[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> elliot98: don't think so
[16:04] <elliot98> running KDE 3.5.10
[16:04] <mrselfpwn> tom__: I did have a problem with libsafe crashing firefox as well once before.
[16:05] <tom__> Camarade_Tux, from terminal it's the same.
[16:05] <elliot98> so what is the standard solution to keep these guys at bay?
[16:05] <Camarade_Tux> tom__: yeah, but does it write anything before crashing?
[16:05] <tom__> no
[16:05] <mako-sama> firefox crashes silently
[16:06] <mako-sama> unless you have the crash report plugin enabled
[16:06] <mrselfpwn> tom__: might be a longshot though somehow my permissions got screwed up with a firefox addon I had and I ended up having to issue chown -R mrselfpwn:users /home/mrselfpwn before.
[16:07] <tom__> mako-sama, crash report plugin great idea ....
[16:07] <mrselfpwn> it's often addons that end up screwing up my firefox.
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[16:08] <tom__> mrselfpwn, yeah but they are all disabled by now
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[16:09] <Camarade_Tux> mako-sama: nah, the idea was to get error messages from gtk
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[16:09] <mako-sama> Camarade_Tux: you can't see those.  not by default
[16:10] <Camarade_Tux> then it's maybe not a crash in gtk :P
[16:12] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, you want to translate a few lines from english to french?
[16:12] <tom__> hehhe got this at last : seems that the lib libgio-2.0.so.0.18 is not playing well
[16:13] <tom__> GIO is the input, output and streaming API of glib
[16:13] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: sure
[16:14] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, hang on
[16:14] <tom__> yeah as I though its something with the lib which gives the IO for such situation for mozilla - ehhh , 8:
[16:14] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, should get a pm
[16:15] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, thx
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[16:19] <Camarade_Tux> I nearly killed my beer! ='(
[16:19] <slackytude> oh noes!
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> hopefully I haven't lost a drop :)
[16:20] <slackytude> a shame :(
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[16:24] <tom__> the question now is what version of glib and where to get it :)
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[16:30] <Camarade_Tux> no more b33r ='(
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[16:31] <tom__> beer is bad, it does not help to concentrate
[16:32] <Camarade_Tux> definitely :P
[16:32] <Camarade_Tux> and what is with your libgio? you upgraded it?
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[16:33] <tom__> hmm just thinking what should I do now ... the gtk is from the current , so I can onoy try to downgrade it ...
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[16:36] <tom__> hmm the slackbuilds does not have any ....
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[16:43] <Camarade_Tux> any what?
[16:43] <sahk0> beer
[16:43] <Camarade_Tux> you're giving me beer? \o/
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[16:44] <tom__> yeah just type make beer in console
[16:46] <slackytude> app.strings.fr = { /* Translator - Camarade_Tux/freenode#windows */
[16:46] <slackytude> :P
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[16:50] <Camarade_Tux>  he :P
[16:50] <fredoslack> deco,  do you sleeping  ?
[16:50] <fredoslack> :)
[16:50] <fredoslack> deco,  i am drinking a 8.6
[16:50] <fredoslack> :p
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[16:51] <fredoslack> 8.6 bavaria
[16:51] <fredoslack> =)
[16:51] <thrice`> I was just in bavaria last week! :D
[16:52] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: 12 here
[16:52] <Camarade_Tux> well, 12 is empty
[16:52] <fredoslack> =)
[16:52] <tom__> brb
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[16:53] <deco> fredoslack: \o/!!
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[16:53] <deco> fredoslack: yeah soemtimes ;-)
[16:53] <fredoslack> iooo deco
[16:53] <deco> lol :P
[16:53] <fredoslack> enfin un français
[16:53] <fredoslack> =)
[16:54] <deco> fredoslack: :)
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[16:54] <fredoslack> i don't understand everything,
[16:54] <fredoslack> deco
[16:54] <fredoslack> :(
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[16:54] <fredoslack> hre
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[16:54] <deco> lol
[16:54] <fredoslack> here :(
[16:54] <deco> fredoslack: english ?
[16:54] <slackytude> thrice`, you were?
[16:54] <fredoslack> deco,  50 % so
[16:54] <fredoslack> :p
[16:54] <deco> fredoslack: oh :P that's good enough
[16:55] <fredoslack> lol
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[16:55] <thrice`> slackytude, yes, are you from there?
[16:56] <thrice`> I spent the week in Nuremberg
[16:56] <fredoslack> deco,  what time is it,
[16:56] <slackytude> thrice`, no, Im from hesse, the state on the nothern border of bavaria
[16:56] <fredoslack> at your home
[16:56] <fredoslack> ???
[16:56] <deco> fredoslack: let me check lol
[16:56] <fredoslack> lool
[16:56] <slackytude> thrice`, enjoyed it?
[16:56] <deco> fredoslack: 1:56pm
[16:57] <thrice`> yes, it was quite beautiful :)  I spent 1 night in Frankfurt also
[16:57] <fredoslack> *_*
[16:57] <fredoslack> :p
[16:57] <deco> lol
[16:57] <slackytude> ah, frankfurt
[16:57] <slackytude> that close to me ^-^
[16:57] <fredoslack> deco,  10:57 pm
[16:57] <fredoslack> at home
[16:57] <fredoslack> =)
[16:57] <deco> fredoslack: oh wow :P
[16:57] <deco> fredoslack: go to sleep :P lol
[16:57] <fredoslack> ye
[16:57] <fredoslack> yes
[16:57] <fredoslack> =)
[16:57] <slackytude> thrice`, about an hour or so to frankfurt. less if there aint much on the road
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[16:58] <fredoslack> a pizza
[16:58] <deco> fredoslack: i slept like at 1am
[16:58] <fredoslack> and i'm going to sleep
[16:58] <fredoslack> :p
[16:58] <slackytude> thrice`, ate a frankfurter? ^-^
[16:58] <deco> fredoslack: hmmm pizza yummy :P
[16:58] <fredoslack> lol
[16:58] <thrice`> haha, of course :)
[16:58] <slackytude> :P
[16:58] <fredoslack> deco,  pizza and a beer
[16:58] <thrice`> Nuremberger Wurst too :>
[16:58] <fredoslack> :p
[16:58] <deco> fredoslack: nice ^_^
[16:58] <thrice`> I got to drink quite a bit of Bavarian beer, very good
[16:58] <slackytude> probably got one of them white bavarian sausage too
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[16:59] <slackytude> heh, yeah
[16:59] <Camarade_Tux> deco: I slept at 4am :D
[16:59] <deco> fredoslack: i'm compiling a kernel , lets see how long it takes
[16:59] <deco> Camarade_Tux: i know :P
[16:59] <slackytude> personally, I dont like them that much
[16:59] <matu> i have a little problem, i can install nothing but upgrade using slackpkg >_<
[16:59] <fredoslack> deco,  i will install a slackware 13
[16:59] <slackytude> matu, hm?
[16:59] <fredoslack> after tomorrow
[16:59] <matu> i even cant install gkrellm
[16:59] <deco> Camarade_Tux: i once played soccer having no sleep for 24 hours
[17:00] <matu> but i performed slackpkg upgrade-all
[17:00] <fredoslack> well,
[17:00] <deco> fredoslack: cool :)
[17:00] <matu> without a problem
[17:00] <slackytude> matu, how can you not install?
[17:00] <fredoslack> à plus tard tout le monde,
[17:00] <Camarade_Tux> deco: nice one
[17:00] <fredoslack> byyyye deco
[17:00] <fredoslack> je déco
[17:00] <Camarade_Tux> night fredoslack
[17:00] <fredoslack> déconecte
[17:00] <fredoslack> lol
[17:00] <deco> fredoslack: see ya ! , bonne nuit
[17:00] <slackytude> night fredoslack
[17:00] <fredoslack> bn  =)
[17:00] Action: Camarade_Tux slaps fredoslack
[17:00] <fredoslack> :p
[17:00] <Camarade_Tux> no bad jokes!
[17:00] <deco> lol
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[17:01] <matu> slackpkg install gnome-terminal
[17:01] <matu> Looking for gnome-terminal in package list. Please wait... DONE
[17:01] <matu> No packages match the pattern for install. Try:
[17:01] <slackytude> no gnome in slack
[17:01] <matu> no ?
[17:01] <slackytude> try dropline
[17:02] <slackytude> there are 3rd party packets for slackware and gnome, like http://www.droplinegnome.net/
[17:02] <slackytude> and others
[17:02] <matu> ok thank you
[17:02] <slackytude> slack = kde, xfce, fluxbox slack != gnome
[17:03] <slackytude> (slack = kde, xfce, fluxbox)&&( slack != gnome)
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[17:03] <slackytude> (slack = tuple(kde, xfce, fluxbox))&&( slack != gnome)
[17:03] <tom__> hmm still nothing
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[17:06] <matu> why did you opt for slackware ?
[17:07] <slackytude> it works
[17:07] <matu> ^^
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[17:10] <matu> see you in a few minutes, i hope...
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[17:14] <slackytude> matu, Im not sure if dropline is even maintained. might be better to try something else
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[17:14] <matu> it said me my nforce 3 sound chip does not work anymore :(
[17:14] <matu> yes slackboy i wont use it
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[17:14] <matu> i guess it is because i performed an upgrade-all :S
[17:15] <matu> slackytude,
[17:15] <slackytude> an upgrade-all to a higher version?
[17:15] <matu> to the current version
[17:15] <matu> i am using 13.0
[17:15] <matu> :(
[17:16] <slackytude> there is a --current version, which is not 13. do you mean that?
[17:16] <matu> i got the message on the desktop
[17:16] <matu> i just authorized slaware current in the mirrors file
[17:16] <mrselfpwn> yes he's on -current now
[17:16] <mrselfpwn> matu: you remembered to do slackpkg install-new as well right?
[17:16] <slackytude> hrm
[17:17] <matu> no i just did slackpkg update and slackpkg upgrade-all
[17:17] <slackytude> mrselfpwn, good point
[17:17] <slackytude> matu, do what mrselfpwn said
[17:17] <mrselfpwn> matu: drop back to init 1 and do that
[17:18] <BP{k}> matu: and read some bloody documentation, someone running -current shouldn't need to be told this.
[17:18] <slackytude> BP{k}, :P
[17:18] <tom__> HEY what packages I should test regarding glibc2 of gtk if something won't work ?   Where to download ?
[17:18] <BP{k}> slackytude: what? or am I misunderstanding that -current is for people who know what they are doing?
[17:19] <slackytude> BP{k}, nah, just a :P
[17:19] <slackytude> BP{k}, pissed about something?
[17:19] <BP{k}> slackytude: yes.
[17:19] <BP{k}> slackytude: people not caring to read. ;)
[17:19] <slackytude> heh ^-^
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[17:32] <mancha> topic it, "only run -current if you've Got Clue(tm)"
[17:32] <slackytude> ah, a classic
[17:32] <amazon10x> what can i use to view a .doc file
[17:32] <slackytude> glasses?
[17:33] <mancha> abiword, ooofice, ms office?
[17:33] <slackytude> a monitor?
[17:33] <amazon10x> something that comes with slack byd efault
[17:33] <mancha> vim
[17:33] <_guitarman_> does kopete in slackware 13 crash a bunch for anyone else or just me?
[17:35] <metrofox> _guitarman_: what version of KDE are you on?
[17:35] <hitest> amazon10x: kword
[17:35] <amazon10x> hitest: thanks
[17:36] <_guitarman_> metrofox: 4.2.4 - seems the yahoo protocol implementation is what takes it down
[17:36] <slackytude> yahoooo!
[17:36] <_guitarman_> hahah -- I can imagine how that sounded slackytude
[17:36] <slackytude> ^-^
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[17:36] <_guitarman_> i almost said it outloud after you typed it... certainly sang it in my head
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[17:37] <_guitarman_> I'm working on a Slackware song
[17:37] <_guitarman_> :)
[17:37] <slackytude> heh
[17:37] <metrofox> _guitarman_: have you searched for some results?
[17:37] <_guitarman_> I'll post a link when i am done
[17:37] <slackytude> youtube it?
[17:37] <slackytude> ha!
[17:37] <slackytude> cool
[17:37] <metrofox> _guitarman_: :O rock one?ù
[17:37] <hitest> amazon10x; np:) yw
[17:38] <_guitarman_> metrofox: naw - i just seeing if it was just me... i'm not looking to solve it just yet - just wondered if anyone else in here suffered with kopete crashes.
[17:38] <_guitarman_> i'm feeling pretty lazy atm
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[17:38] <metrofox> _guitarman_: I don't use kopete so I can't answer you :)
[17:38] <_guitarman_> metrofox: no prob :) thx tho
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[17:39] <_guitarman_> metrofox: perhaps i'll reinstall pidgin
[17:39] <mancha> pidgin got a hole
[17:39] <metrofox> _guitarman_: search on the web when you'll find your strength
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[17:40] <_guitarman_> metrofox: lol lots of kopete crash hits thats for sure ;)
[17:42] <_guitarman_> back to Pidgin
[17:42] <_guitarman_> it only crashes on the file transfers
[17:42] <_guitarman_> for yahoo
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[17:48] <metrofox> see ya :)
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[18:08] <chee> i need your help, slackheros
[18:08] Action: slackytude hides
[18:08] <chee> if I open up audacity as my normal user, I cannot record because of a problem!
[18:09] <chee> if I open it as root, I can record
[18:09] <chee> but I can't access the preferences
[18:09] <chee> so, I expect as my ordinary user
[18:09] <chee> i have some permissions problems
[18:09] <chee> what groups should I be in for recording !
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[18:10] <mrselfpwn> i'm guessing you looked to make sure you are in the audio group correct?  (there was a problem with people losing audio group recently)
[18:10] <slackytude> Im guessing here, but might it be audio?
[18:10] <chee> yes, I'm in audio
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[18:10] <chee> chee : users disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom games plugdev
[18:10] <slackytude> and what backend are you using? alsa, oss?
[18:10] <chee> oss4!
[18:11] <chee> oss!
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[18:11] <slackytude> how are the permissions on /dev/dsp then
[18:11] <chee> hm!
[18:11] <slackytude> if oss4 still uses that
[18:11] <chee> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2009-11-07 14:04 /dev/dsp -> /dev/oss/oss_ich0/pcm0
[18:11] <beatzz> Installed Slackware 12.2 on a laptop, but when i restarted i get nothing on my screen?
[18:11] <slackytude> chee, and the perms for that?
[18:12] <slackytude> beatzz, sure its pluged in?
[18:12] <beatzz> i get to see the BIOS, then LILO
[18:12] <beatzz> but after it "Loading Linux....."
[18:12] <beatzz> it go's black
[18:12] <beatzz> nada
[18:12] <beatzz> is it due to a missconfigured xorg.conf?
[18:12] <slackytude> and the machine? still booting?
[18:12] <beatzz> perhaps the driver used is incorrect?
[18:12] <Necos> no because it hasn't loaded X yet
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[18:13] <beatzz> still booting, not shure, still running, yes.
[18:13] <chee> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 243, 4 2009-11-07 14:04 pcm0
[18:13] <beatzz> the screen shows nothing
[18:13] <beatzz> but when I install Kubuntu it works fine
[18:13] <XGizzmo> beatzz: boot with vga=normal
[18:13] <XGizzmo> sounds like you picked an unsupported fbmode
[18:13] <beatzz> so go into it via Live USB or Live CD and edit xorg.conf to show vga=normal
[18:13] <beatzz> ?
[18:14] <XGizzmo> no
[18:14] <slackytude> its a line you give lilo at boot
[18:14] <XGizzmo> at lilo boot
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[18:14] <slackytude> chee, hrm
[18:14] <beatzz> hmm.
[18:14] <beatzz> ok, at the lilo prompt.
[18:14] Action: chee hrm
[18:15] <slackytude> chee, what is the exact error message?
[18:15] <dios_mio> i am using ubuntu 9.10... i wonder if i should format and install slackware now.. i got the discs
[18:15] <slackytude> dios_mio, sure you are asking the right channel
[18:15] <dios_mio> heh
[18:15] <beatzz> XGizzmo: what exactly do you mean, durring boot I press <F*> to get into some kind of Lilo command prompt??
[18:15] <xovan> kinda a jump from ubuntu to slack
[18:15] <chee> the error message is 'Error while opening sound device. Please check the input device settings and the project sample rate.'
[18:16] <chee> but all of those settings are definitely right !  and , are also the same whether I am root or chee !
[18:16] <beatzz> dios_mio: Yes, install slackware
[18:16] <slackytude> chee, might be just the player config
[18:16] <XGizzmo> beatzz: pick what you want to boot, I think the default is Linux
[18:17] <chee> slackytude, I fixed it, of course
[18:17] <beatzz> XGizzmo: hmm, I dont think I'm following.
[18:17] <XGizzmo> so it would be  Linux vga=normal
[18:17] <chee> by deleting my ~/.audacity-data
[18:17] <slackytude> chee, ah
[18:17] <beatzz> XGizzmo: how do I get to this choice? normaly it just loads linux
[18:17] <chee> mrmrmr, ty, slackytude
[18:18] <chee> i still don't know what the problem was, but now it doesn't matter!
[18:18] <beatzz> XGizzmo: perhaps I should review Lilo befor asking more questions
[18:18] <chee> wait, i am wrong, perhaps!
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[18:19] <XGizzmo> beatzz: hit tab at the lilo menu
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[18:19] <gar0t0> Hello :)
[18:19] <beatzz> XGizzmo: I swear I knew that.... It was just burried under 2 months of forced Windows Vista usage.
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[18:20] <xovan> i'm sorry to hear that
[18:20] <beatzz> word -_-
[18:20] <chee> slackytude, it was an illusion
[18:20] <chee> i didn't fix it.  it just went back to trying to use an unloaded driver
[18:21] <slackytude> chee, sounds like gremlins
[18:21] <slackytude> dont leave food out after midnight
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[18:21] <beatzz> good advice ^
[18:21] <Necos> but gremlins get hungry too >.>
[18:21] <slackytude> screw them
[18:21] <beatzz> :o dont feed them after midnight!!!
[18:21] <beatzz> It gets messy!
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[18:21] <chee> haha
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[18:22] <chee> i should buy that film
[18:22] <Necos> you just don't feed gizmo after midnight >.>
[18:22] <Necos> no harm, no foul
[18:22] <beatzz> *cough* bitTorrent
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[18:22] <chee> that's a terrible cough you've got, beatz
[18:22] <beatzz> i know, its very contagous
[18:22] <chee> you need to get some Benylin BitTorrent Non-Drowsy
[18:23] <beatzz> kinda like a seed or something -_o
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[18:23] <briareus> anyone in here running easytag?
[18:23] <mancha> i've used it, for mp3, ayup?
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[18:24] <briareus> odd problem in that it is saying it was compiled for me today with mp3 file support disabled. I'm now looking to see what dep if any I am missing. installed via sbopkg. just wondering if anyone else had that.
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[18:26] <guax> hey yo o/
[18:26] <briareus> probably a lib version mismatch? I had it working before
[18:26] <briareus> checking
[18:27] <guax> lack of dependency?
[18:27] <antiwire> briareus: do you have an mp3 lib installed, like lame?
[18:27] <guax> briareus, check the readme of sbo for updates that you missed
[18:27] <beatzz> sbopkg > *
[18:28] <guax> sbopkg ftw
[18:28] <dios_mio> what i really want is a DE/WM that makes it obvious when i get new messages with appropriate coloring!! is that too much to ask? GNOME isnt good at this... WinXP was the best with it blue/orange colors
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[18:28] <slackytude> libnotify?
[18:28] <slackytude> in xfce. you can choose the colors, afaik
[18:28] <dios_mio> no i mean the taskbar blinking of the program's handle
[18:29] <dios_mio> but XFCE is so ugly man :(
[18:29] <slackytude> nah!
[18:29] <briareus> antiwire: yeah, I've been using lame to manually write id3 tags since my easytag has been screwy. I also have id3lib or whatever its called
[18:29] <briareus> guax: checking
[18:29] <guax> choose a wm and edit its source code or colour scheme
[18:29] <fire|bird> dios_mio: xfce isn't ugly, it's customizable, change it. ;)
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[18:29] <guax> dios_mio, kde has custom color schemes, try playing with that
[18:29] <mancha> easytag depends on id3lib
[18:29] <dios_mio> maybe i should toy with KDE
[18:29] <beatzz> KDE > Winblows
[18:30] <beatzz> KDE pwntz.
[18:30] <briareus> dios_mio: yeah, fluxbox is "ugly" too when you start it, but with a little help it looks like this: http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090118b.png
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[18:30] <briareus> dios_mio: same with XFCE
[18:31] <guax> whyyyyy lord??? whyyyy does people think uml is everything you need to have working code? i cant handle this classes anymore =(
[18:32] <xovan> don't stick the gun in your mouth just yet, wait till they certify you first and you get your first project
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[18:32] <beatzz> briareus: that SS looks tight
[18:32] <guax> auehuaeh, xovan information systems grad. i hope i will never had to work with uml in that way
[18:32] <guax> briareus, nice screen. big =D
[18:33] <briareus> I'm not sure why, but I reinstalled the same lib as I had, recompiled/reinstalled easytag, and it works. Dunno what went screwy with that lib.
[18:33] <slackytude> UML -_-
[18:33] <briareus> thanks
[18:33] <slackytude> guax, been there, done that
[18:33] <beatzz> Who here is using your neibors wifi net?
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[18:33] <beatzz> w/o permision
[18:33] <briareus> guax: beatzz same day: http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090118a.png
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[18:34] <briareus> beatzz: I was for a while, but I worked a deal with him. free tech support (hardly ever) for free wifi (all the time). A no brainer deal.
[18:34] <beatzz> harhar har
[18:34] <antiwire> my neighbor and I have an agreement that stipulates the availability of each of your wifi networks when either of our WANS go down.
[18:34] <beatzz> I dont have any deal
[18:34] <antiwire> He as DSL and I have cable
[18:34] <beatzz> but I am debating if I should mess w/ their router
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[18:34] <briareus> beatzz: unethical.
[18:34] <beatzz> not if i secure it for them
[18:35] <antiwire> BS
[18:35] <mancha> don't discuss illegal things here please
[18:35] <briareus> talk to them, offer to 'consult' their wifi set up.
[18:35] <guax> briareus, whats the size of your monitor?
[18:35] <beatzz> word. where are my mannors.
[18:35] <briareus> doing it without consent constitutes traversing a network illegally
[18:35] <antiwire> no matter how you cut it, if you are connected to their router without permission, open or not, it is illegal.
[18:35] <briareus> guax: 2960x1150, its a laptop next to a 22 incher
[18:36] <guax> my has 12.1" screen
[18:36] <briareus> guax: like right now its just a laptop (I'm everywhere with it) but at home I plug in to that bigger vista
[18:36] <briareus> fucking microsoft RUINED the word 'vista'
[18:36] <slackytude> briareus, nice screenshot
[18:36] <slackytude> very hackish
[18:36] <briareus> it was meant to be a beautiful expansive gorgeous word; Vista. But they go and spray shit all over it.
[18:36] <slackytude> and a fcking big monitor
[18:37] <briareus> thanks
[18:37] <beatzz> Microsoft has sprayed shit on everything its touched.
[18:37] <beatzz> like all the mainstream computer manifactures, dell, HP, acer so on...
[18:37] <beatzz> Cant get drivers for shit because they all are in bed w/ bill.
[18:38] <beatzz> letting him whore them out like little mexican prostituesd
[18:38] <guax> no, i still like age of empires
[18:38] <guax> not everything =P
[18:38] <beatzz> prostitutes.d
[18:38] <briareus> beatzz: or my new anti-favorite: BIOS updates that you have to install in windows. assmunching cockgobblers.
[18:39] <Necos> heh, that's not fun
[18:39] <slackytude> whats that calendar app?
[18:39] <antiwire> I can update my bios from within linux
[18:39] <beatzz> seriously, the days of buying a cheap pc/laptop from your local superstore and installing slack are nearly over.
[18:39] <briareus> slackytude: calcurse, I think its called. works pretty well.
[18:39] <slackytude> nifty
[18:40] <briareus> calcurse : curses based to-do calendar
[18:40] <guax> i never updated my BIOS =P
[18:40] <briareus> http://culot.org/calcurse
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[18:40] <xovan> anybody have any luck getting gtk apps running in the framebuffer?
[18:40] <beatzz> Le Knight Club - Mosquito.mp3
[18:41] <beatzz> hackerish^
[18:41] <guax> OMG! he wants us to model the method with diagrams o_O
[18:41] <guax> class methods*
[18:41] <slackytude> those are the best in UML
[18:41] <slackytude> trust me
[18:41] <briareus> can some kind soul who runs sbopkg try to download/build calcurse and tell me if they can complete a download?
[18:41] <beatzz> consider yourself lucky to afford "Classes"
[18:42] <beatzz> on it briareus
[18:42] <guax> slackytude, i will throw something in he's head haha
[18:42] <briareus> my download of it is failing right around 500K
[18:42] <guax> activity diagrams for every algorithm
[18:42] <slackytude> guax, it gets worse
[18:42] <slackytude> ha
[18:42] <beatzz> altho my network connection is....weak...
[18:42] <beatzz> because my router is...in the...other room....
[18:42] Action: guax is starting crying because its not funny anymore, the teacher are doing this for real
[18:43] <slackytude> once question in the exam was how to do a html parser in activity diagramms
[18:43] <briareus> beatzz: if you see it stall at ~500k that's all I need to know
[18:43] <slackytude> or some diagram anyway
[18:43] <Necos> calcurse?
[18:43] <briareus> guax: UML lets any old doof be a teacher
[18:43] <slackytude> lucky I forgot most of it
[18:43] <guax> i will have more 72h of lessons with this bastard in the next season
[18:43] <briareus> Necos: sbopkg -> calcurse  ...does it complete download for you?
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[18:44] <Necos> yes
[18:44] <briareus> guax: just relax and let the smile hooks do their work.
[18:44] <Necos> it's compiling as we speak
[18:44] <Camarade_Tux> lol! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555195
[18:44] <beatzz> briareus: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/HGziPT89.html
[18:44] Action: guax wonders how software engineering will looks like with this uml addicted teacher
[18:44] <briareus> Necos: thanks. For some reason, mine stops at 500K
[18:44] <Camarade_Tux> "GRUB accepts user input as valid password as long as user enters some first
[18:44] <Camarade_Tux> characters of password correctly.
[18:44] <Camarade_Tux> "/me hates hidden newlines
[18:44] <slackytude> guax, worse
[18:45] <guax> aehaeuhuaeh
[18:45] <Camarade_Tux> summed up as: "With GRUB 1.97, if your password was "phoronix", any individual could log-in just entering "p" or "nix" or any other part of the string -- even just one character."
[18:45] <Camarade_Tux> guax: yeah, horrible
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[18:45] <Camarade_Tux> guax: please, take this giant uml diagram of qt+kde and beat your teach with it, thanks :)
[18:45] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, very secure
[18:45] <briareus> beatzz: thanks, so yours completes but with md5sum bad, mine doesn't complete. Necos got it, compiled...
[18:46] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: hmmm, the latest ubuntu is vulnerable, right?
[18:46] <beatzz> briareus: I say screw it, used "$ cal"
[18:46] <Camarade_Tux> I have something to test soon ^^
[18:46] <guax> Camarade_Tux, that exists?
[18:46] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, nah
[18:46] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, grub 2
[18:46] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: yeah
[18:46] <briareus> beatzz: it's not a calculator. It's this thing on my bottom right: a calendar/scheduler app   ...  http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090118b.png
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[18:47] <beatzz> briareus: cal != calculator
[18:47] <slackytude> cal is a calendar as well
[18:47] <briareus> beatzz: I recently installed slack13 and I forgot to install that calcurse til we talked about it
[18:47] <briareus> beatzz: OH YEAH, cal is the calender, does it let you schedule alarms? forgot about that
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[18:47] <slackytude> lol
[18:47] <briareus> no, it's a displayer
[18:47] <Necos> interesting...
[18:48] <Camarade_Tux> guax: ask your teacher to make one and beat him to death with what he just made :D
[18:48] <beatzz> briareus: i wouldent doubt it, but i dont know for shure
[18:48] <briareus> calcurse lets you set events and reminders and whatnot
[18:48] <slackytude> briareus, ical based?
[18:48] <briareus> dunno what ical is
[18:48] <slackytude> a format for calendar data
[18:48] <slackytude> a .ical file
[18:48] <slackytude> or a .vs
[18:48] <briareus> hmm, I'll let you know if I can install it :)
[18:48] <slackytude>  .vcs
[18:48] <guax> Camarade_Tux, aeuheauha. uml language is good to pass information, but to pass information that is not written in front of you in the code. the "dynamic" diagrams are usefull.
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[18:49] <briareus> my download from sbopkg doesn't complete, though it did for both beatzz and Necos
[18:49] <Necos> have you checked to see that you still have free space?
[18:49] <briareus> yeah, plenty
[18:50] <briareus>    450K .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........  232K
[18:50] <briareus>    500K .......... .........                                    184K=3.1
[18:50] <Necos> and that you're not getting a fs error?
[18:50] <briareus> over and over
[18:50] Action: slackytude sleep
[18:50] <briareus> no, just stops
[18:50] <Necos> later slackytude
[18:50] <slackytude> o/
[18:50] <briareus> then tries another mirror or same mirror over
[18:50] <slackytude> tomorrow 8h of python programming ^-^
[18:50] <Necos> you know if you download the file to the sbopkg directory, it won't try to download it
[18:50] <slackytude> well, lets say 6 and some coffee
[18:50] <slackytude> maybe 5
[18:50] <Necos> slackytude, shaddap :P
[18:50] <slackytude> gnight
[18:51] <Necos> go to sleep
[18:51] <guax> and i have tons of uml to translate do java
[18:51] <briareus> I think I'll try that and just get it directly
[18:51] <guax> to java*
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[18:51] <guax> all i ask is time to install slackware 13 on my notebook and play with useless stuff =(
[18:52] <Camarade_Tux> he, gnome is moving from gconf to dcong ><
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[18:52] <guax> finally, its over, go home, by guys
[18:52] <guax> bye*
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[18:53] <Camarade_Tux> guax: yeah, uml can be good, ... and bad, depends on who uses it..
[18:53] <Camarade_Tux> crap he left
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[18:54] <briareus> I am barely a programmer, but even I was able to see that my programming 'instructor' knew UML and little else, and he was always erasing. It was just that: Three months of erasing and redrawing blocks. I just went there and read the book and worked on linux.
[18:54] <Camarade_Tux> he, know that too ;-)
[18:55] <Camarade_Tux> time to go to bed too :)
[18:55] <Necos> lol
[18:55] <Necos> night Camarade_Tux
[18:55] <beatzz> gtg
[18:55] <Necos> wtf is uml? :P
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[18:55] <briareus> oh! this reminds me of another oddity I have going on. Today I looked and I had a 130+MB file in /var/log/ called 'debug' that is nothing but usb messages. They seem to only go away when I have a device (any device) plugged in to a usb port. anyone ever seen that?
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[18:56] <Necos> ummm, sounds like you have some hardware issues there >.>
[18:56] <briareus> clearly.
[18:57] <briareus> only noticed it since the new kernel. methinks I may have some usb debugger enabled or something
[18:57] <Necos> i'm not looking forward to the mandatory ffxi update when i get home tonight >.<;
[18:57] <briareus> CONFIG_USB_DEBUG=y
[18:57] <briareus> CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG=y
[18:57] <briareus> I bet that's it, or one of them
[18:58] <Necos> you're in for a world of hurt there briareus
[18:58] <briareus> eh?
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[18:58] <antiwire> massive spam
[18:59] <antiwire> EPIC
[18:59] <briareus> I only seem to get the message when I don't have a usb device plugged in. so yeah, epic spam.
[18:59] <Necos> that's what i mean :)
[18:59] <briareus> luckily I'm rolling the 2.6.31.5 right now, so I won't do with that one again.
[18:59] <mancha> "you're entering a world of pain son"
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[19:05] <tom__> hey please please help me
[19:05] <briareus> with?
[19:06] <tom__> I need the firefox in version 3.3.4 and
[19:06] <tom__> glibc2 in 2.20 but I don't want to play with sources
[19:07] <Necos> ?
[19:07] <Necos> you want firefox version 3.5.4?
[19:07] <tom__> Gimme a link or something, so I don;'t need to compile it ...
[19:08] <mancha> 3.5.5 is out no?
[19:08] <tom__> yeah srr 3.5.4
[19:08] <hitest> yeah
[19:08] <Necos> try slackpkg upgrade firefox
[19:08] <Necos> as root
[19:09] <mancha> any guesses on the last ff 3.0.x? 16? 17?
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[19:09] <Necos> i think they're up to .15, so my guess would be ~.17
[19:09] <tom__> No i think it is a larger problem, to have a repository of packages for slackware with old versions, you know what I mean ?
[19:09] <Necos> ?
[19:09] <Necos> no, i think you're thinking about this all wrong
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[19:10] <Necos> oh, and the updated firefox is in the patches/ folder of anymirror
[19:10] <mancha> not the updated seamonkey though, can i haz my security patch pat, kthnxbye
[19:11] <tom__> Necos, I just know this versions would prob work fine
[19:11] <Necos> wget http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/mozilla-firefox-3.5.5-i686-1.txz && upgradepkg mozilla-firefox-3.5.5-i686-1.tgz
[19:11] <Necos> there, i even did the work for you
[19:12] <Necos> lol mancha
[19:12] <Necos> actually mancha, seamonkey was updated to 2.0 on nov 7
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[19:13] <tom__> Necos, errrrrr how I do get glibc2 in version I need ?
[19:13] <mancha> Necos, mozilla issues their sec release publicly on oct 27
[19:14] <mancha> there is no seamonkey 2.0 for slack 12.1 or earlier as of today (13 days later)
[19:14] <Necos> for 13 there is >.>
[19:14] <mancha> so?
[19:15] Action: tom__ sights
[19:15] <Necos> it's updated for 12.2 also, which would make it fairly easy to repackage for 12.1
[19:16] <Necos> tom, why do you want to update glibc?
[19:16] <Necos> glibc effects EVERY package on your system
[19:16] <Necos> so you shouldn't be upgrading it unless you know damn well what you're doing
[19:16] <mancha> that i can do it myself is beside the point. my understanding was 12.0 and higher got security patches. there is no security alert for seamonkey as of today
[19:17] <Necos> that it's updated in 12.2 is part of your point, however
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[19:17] <mancha> how is it part of my point?
[19:17] <tom__> no the glibc2 the part of gtk
[19:17] <NaCl> tom__: that's glib
[19:18] <Necos> 12.0+ is being updated... i wonder if it's just not on pat's priority list >.>
[19:18] <NaCl> glib2, rather
[19:18] <mancha> this is overcomplicating things i think :) i just want my security alert and associated patch. that's all.  :)
[19:18] <NaCl> glib2 != glibc
[19:18] <Necos> that's glib
[19:18] <Necos> so slackpkg install glib2 and call it a day
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[19:18] <tom__> upps you are right.
[19:18] <NaCl> tom__: depending on how much you want to upgrade, you probably will be stuck with building from source
[19:19] <Necos> hmmm, one thing i've never figured out is why slackpkg doesn't check patches/
[19:20] <tom__> Necos, no I need the older version
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[19:20] <NaCl> Necos: look at PRIORITY in /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf
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[19:21] <Necos> lol, it's set
[19:21] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos 
[19:21] <Necos> patches %PKGMAIN extra pasture testing
[19:22] Action: Necos hangs fire|bird up with a pitchfork
[19:22] <fire|bird> OUCH
[19:22] <fire|bird> careful, I just lost a feather now you insensitive clod.
[19:23] <NaCl> Necos: now, all you need is to add some NaCl to the wound. :P
[19:23] <Necos> sounds like a personal problem :)
[19:23] <fire|bird> hahaha
[19:24] Action: Necos tosses NaCl at fire|bird's wound for good measure
[19:24] <Necos> :)
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[19:25] <fire|bird> ok, now that's just adding insult to injury.
[19:25] <Necos> yeah, this is wierd, the priority is set properly, but it's saying FF 3.5.4 is older than 3.5.3 >.>
[19:25] <Necos> no, that's adding salt to injury :)
[19:25] <fire|bird> lol
[19:25] <fire|bird> either way, it wasn't necessary. :/
[19:26] <NaCl> Necos: it just compares the versions and checks that they are not the same
[19:26] <gar0t0> fire|bird: hey man!! how are you?
[19:26] <Necos> who said it had to be necessary for me to do it? :P
[19:26] Action: fire|bird fills Necos shoes with lava.
[19:26] <Necos> NaCl, that much i know :)
[19:26] <fire|bird> gar0t0: great, you?
[19:26] <Necos> but my point is, there's a new version in patches/ and it's not finding it (it's still looking at %PKGMAIN)
[19:26] <NaCl> Necos: slackpkg update recently?
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[19:27] Action: Necos doublechecks
[19:27] <fire|bird> If you have to double check, you probably didn't do it.
[19:27] Nick change: jonsmith1982_ -> jonsmith1982
[19:27] <Necos> ah, that's better :)
[19:28] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos, again.
[19:28] <gar0t0> fire|bird: I'm great too!!
[19:28] Action: NaCl has helped restore order to the universe
[19:28] Action: Necos bleeds a little
[19:28] <fire|bird> Necos: != Universe. :P
[19:28] <Necos> ok fire|bird, i deserved that one :)
[19:28] <fire|bird> yup, ya sure did. ;)
[19:29] <Necos> oh fire|bird, random thought, have you looked at patches/?
[19:29] <Necos> seamonkey-2.0-i486-1_slack13.0.txt
[19:29] <fire|bird> yeah, I've updated to that too.
[19:31] <fire|bird> I never did get it to build, so I'm glad slack has it now, well, for 12.2, 13, and -current.
[19:31] <Necos> i'm still not used to using slackpkg / sbopkg >.<;
[19:31] <fire|bird> lol
[19:32] <tuxdev> me neither.. I just build the packages on the fly most of the time anyway
[19:32] <Necos> but i used sbopkg for the first time today out of lazyness
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[19:32] <Necos> i wanted to install inkscape
[19:32] <fire|bird> Necos == Lazy
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[19:33] <Necos> i thought it might actually be useful for dealing with student needs (to make svg-like animations)
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[19:33] <fire|bird> inkscape + graphics tablet = excellent
[19:33] Action: NaCl is probably going to get a graphics tablet soon
[19:34] <tom__>  errrrrr how I do get glib2 in version I need ?
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[19:35] <tom__> also after removing the packages I need to do the ldconfig for changes to take place, what if I have two packages of the same versions installed .... the order of them being installed decides, right ?
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[19:37] <Necos> tom__, you will break your system doing that, use with caution
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[19:37] <tom__> by chances it occured to me with glib2, and luckily nothing happened.
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[19:38] <tom__> I removed one of the versions, but I don';t know if the changes take place
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[19:42] <tom__> how do I downgrade a package ??
[19:42] <tom__> Necos, ??
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[19:51] <Necos> what's that?
[19:52] <Necos> the files are still in memory, so if you deleted them, the programs that use them will still run.
[19:52] <Necos> restart one of them to see the effects
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[19:54] <dios_mio> i installed slackware with KDE
[19:55] <dios_mio> KDE is very nice
[19:55] <tom__> Necos, why they are no binaries for firefox under http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/
[19:55] <tom__> ???
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[19:56] <deco> how does one add an additional distro to lilo ?
[19:56] <dios_mio> liloconf
[19:56] <deco> i know
[19:56] <deco> but
[19:56] <dios_mio> well you add two linux lines
[19:57] <deco> dios_mio: gtfo
[19:57] <deco> troll
[19:57] <dios_mio> wut
[19:57] <dios_mio> i was serious
[19:57] <deco> i remember you
[19:57] <dios_mio> well go ahead and wait for an answer, and see if it will be different than mine... jerk
[19:57] <Necos> tom__, because they're in the slackware-13.0/patches/ directory
[19:58] <tom__> Necos, maybe I miss other meanings for "patches " in english
[19:58] <dios_mio> deco, and you will come back and apologize to me for being a jerk
[19:58] <Necos> http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/ for the newest firefox
[19:58] <tom__> Necos: thanks
[19:59] <dios_mio> KDE has a really advanced taskbar
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[20:00] <Necos> sorry, trying to finish a bunch of work before i head to class
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[20:14] <Necos> oh shit... it's pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/
[20:15] <Necos> anyway, i gotta run, see ya guys on friday >.<;
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[20:19] <amazon10x> powertop is telling me that to get any longer battery life i need to enable CONFIG_NO_HZ in the kernel
[20:19] <amazon10x> this true?
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[20:21] <tom__> Necos are you using the slackware current ?
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[20:42] <briareus> I have (surprise surprise) an odd thing happening with sbopkg. I'm running 2.6.31.5, I download/build virtualbox-kernel and see 2.6.31.5 messages all while doing so, completes with no errors, but when I go in the next step to install, it wants to install virtual-kernel-3.0.10_2.6.31.4-i486-1_SBz  ...I'm not getting why it's trying to install that one.
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[20:42] <briareus> that's no typo; it's trying to install a 2.6.31.4 package I *just* completed building for 2.6.31.5
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[20:44] <BP{k}> SBz? ;)
[20:44] <briareus> 1_SBo.tgz :)
[20:44] <briareus> I'm rereading the build log, seeing what I got wrong
[20:45] <BP{k}> post the build log?
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[20:46] <fire|bird> welcome back hitest
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[20:46] <hitest> ty, fire|bird
[20:48] <briareus> wow, check this out: Package virtualbox-kernel-3.0.10_2.6.31.5-i486-1_SBo upgraded with new package /usr/sbo/tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/virtualbox-kernel-3.0.10_2.6.31.5-i486-1_SBo.tgz.  ...but I look at that dir? --no such tgz
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[20:49] <briareus> BP{k}: it's an epic log, I don't even know how to paste something that big
[20:49] <fire|bird> to a pastebin, like anything else.
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[20:50] <briareus> my scroll buffer is not a jillion miles long
[20:51] <fire|bird> Could try it again and have it make a build log. bash -x ./program.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee BUILD.Log
[20:51] <amazon10x> what can i use to test my webcam
[20:51] <amazon10x> something included with slackware
[20:53] <briareus> ah, I figured it out
[20:54] <briareus> the mere presence of the 2.6.31.4 vbox tgz prevented the build process from making a 31.5 one, even though it said it was. I was hoping to keep the old one so I could run it if I booted the .4 kernel, but apparently not
[20:54] <BP{k}> amazon10x: kopete.
[20:54] <slackmagic> evening fellow slackers
[20:54] <fire|bird> evening slackmagic
[20:55] <briareus> BP{k}: kopete has webcam built in ?  interesting. I hadn't touched kopete in many moons.
[20:55] <fire|bird> briareus: yes, it does.
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[20:55] <briareus> I suppose you have to have a kernel with all the necessary gpsca/spxx drivers enabled
[20:55] <amazon10x> BP{k}: thanks. my webcam doesn't show up so i'm gonna hve to start troubleshooting i guess
[20:57] <briareus> amazon10x: grep -i gspc /usr/src/linux-2.6.[foo]/.config
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[20:57] <danc3> ahhhh... Monday night football and a tropical storm, with plenty of beerz.  Priceless.
[20:57] <briareus> hopefully you have CONFIG_USB_GSPCA=y or M and some of the rest also
[20:57] <briareus> amazon10x: I use a logitech quickcam or whatever its called, I think it uses
[20:58] <briareus> CONFIG_USB_GSPCA_ZC3XX=m
[20:58] <amazon10x> briareus: i think mine uses uvcvideo
[20:58] <briareus> I don't have my cam here or I'd fire it up
[20:58] <briareus> ah
[20:58] <amazon10x> i'm not sure if that is buil tinto the slack kernel
[21:00] <amazon10x> i don't even see a webcam listed in my lspci
[21:00] <briareus> grep -i usb_video_class .config
[21:00] <briareus> (I mean, /path/to/your/kernel/.config
[21:00] <briareus> # CONFIG_USB_VIDEO_CLASS is not set
[21:01] <briareus> is lsusb still around?
[21:01] <briareus> you could try that if you have it
[21:01] <amazon10x> that string isn't in there
[21:01] <amazon10x> lsusb has nothing
[21:02] <amazon10x> oh wait
[21:02] <amazon10x> i found it
[21:02] <amazon10x> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ac8:c326 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp.
[21:02] <briareus> amazon10x: ah, I'm running latest kernel, maybe in the slackware fat kernel version it wasnt there yet
[21:02] <amazon10x> briareus: i'm running 2.6.31.5
[21:03] <briareus> I have no idea what that z-star runs, but I bet if you google that vendor:model code you will find it
[21:04] <amazon10x> it needs uvcvideo apparently
[21:04] <amazon10x> and slack apparently doesn't have that built for some reason
[21:05] <amazon10x> doing a search for uvc in menuconfig finds nothing whihc is odd
[21:05] <briareus> its there under multimedia
[21:05] <briareus> v4l
[21:05] <dios_mio> how can i tell if i am using the nvidia drivers?
[21:05] <briareus> then USB Video Class (UVC)
[21:05] <briareus> # CONFIG_USB_VIDEO_CLASS is not set
[21:05] <briareus> like that
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[21:05] <briareus> grep -i config_usb_video .config
[21:06] <amazon10x> hmm, multimidea wasn't being built at all
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[21:06] <amazon10x> i must've screwed up my kernel config last time
[21:07] <briareus> such is the way of the world; the sweetest fruit is often plucked too early.
[21:07] <briareus> or something.
[21:08] <briareus> anyway, I'za gots to goes home now. g'luck
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[21:14] <dios_mio> how do i enable nvidia driverz?
[21:15] <Dominian> dios_mio: install the binary driver from nvidia.com
[21:15] <dios_mio> cool
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[21:15] <acidtripper> someone there know something about php?
[21:16] <Dominian> acidtripper: what about it/
[21:16] <acidtripper> it created some hidden files on / like .depdb .lock,etc. and i dont know if that files are necessary. the thing is that im making a package and that files shouldn't be there
[21:17] <acidtripper> while installing
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[21:18] <acidtripper> any idea?
[21:18] <Dominian> eh
[21:18] <Dominian> installing what?
[21:18] <Dominian> are you updating PHP for some reason?
[21:19] <tom__> where do I get the gvfs-1.4 package ? The src2pkg does not work. The firefox crashes on  this lib although it is not a part of current repository and I cannot find it. How it is possible ?
[21:19] <acidtripper> no, im creating a package for a distro
[21:19] <acidtripper> called kwort
[21:19] <acidtripper> www.kwort.org
[21:19] <thrice`> and, why do we care? :)
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[21:19] <acidtripper> if you dont care, just dont care
[21:19] <Dominian> acidtripper: normally I don't mind helping, but... this is ##slackware however.
[21:20] <Dominian> I have no idea how kwort operates
[21:20] <thrice`> sorry, better question, how does that relate to slackware linux?
[21:20] <acidtripper> couse its slackware and crux based but thats not the thing, i wanted to ask if that files where necessary
[21:21] <acidtripper> or how i do to put them on another dir if they were necessary,
[21:21] <thrice`> this is a slackware linux support channel, though
[21:21] <acidtripper> thrice`: package system is of Slack
[21:22] <thrice`> ok, then I'll answer like I would on slackware:  just install the php package
[21:22] <acidtripper> just don't answear if you dont know the answear
[21:22] <acidtripper> when i don't know about a topic i simply dont talk about it
[21:23] <acidtripper> and as i know makepkg is packaging system from slackware so it's slackware related
[21:23] <thrice`> how is "I'm trying to make a php package for kwort linux" slackware related?
[21:23] <acidtripper> makepkg slackware
[21:24] <acidtripper> but im not going to discuse, if you don't know just don't talk
[21:24] <tom__>  lynx --source http://gnomeslackbuild.org/net-install | bash may I abort this script ????
[21:24] <tom__> also how firefox might use the non-standard gnome libs ?
[21:24] <thrice`> that's where you are wrong.  a few distributions use a "makepkg" command, but build the packages completely differently
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[21:24] <BP{k}> acidtripper: you seem to mistake "don't know" with "don't care to help".
[21:25] <thrice`> tom__, well, you can ctl+c out of the script for bash, but if it's doing something like installing a bunch of packages, it might be best to let it finish
[21:26] <acidtripper> ok, anyway thanks :S
[21:27] <tom__> thrice`, how firefox might use the non-standard gnome libs ? on my distro ?
[21:27] <thrice`> I don't really understand your question, I'm sorry
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[21:27] <thrice`> firefox links to alot of non-gnome libraries, and neds them to run
[21:28] <tom__> the firefox uses the packages of gvfs , a gnome virt file system lib, but it is NOT in a standard repository.
[21:28] <tom__> Now you get it ?
[21:28] <thrice`> it CAN use gvfs, but will work fine without it
[21:28] <jeev> .
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[21:30] <tom__> hmm seems that the slackbuild gnome repository might be less error prone that the packages which are shipped in standard slackware mirror.
[21:31] <acidtripper> tom__, why using gnome?
[21:31] <tom__> Yes, slackware is really nice but it takes sometimes ages to polish and configure it.
[21:31] <acidtripper> sometime ago i used dropline and those alternatives to install and did lot of mess with libs
[21:31] <tom__> no I just want to have decent bunch of gnome libs.... to have working firefox
[21:31] <acidtripper> thats why i stopped using it
[21:32] <tecky> >.>
[21:32] <acidtripper> but you can make firefox work without gnome
[21:32] <wollw> firefox doesn't need gnome
[21:32] <acidtripper> it works ofb on slack
[21:33] <thrice`> tom__, the firefox package that ships with slackware requires NO additional packages to work
[21:33] <acidtripper> pat had some reasons to remove it, one of those was difficult with libs and make all things work on it
[21:34] <Dominian> hrm.. interesting
[21:34] Action: Dominian is on Slackware and has a working firefox.. without... 'gnome libs' *gasp*
[21:34] <tom__> thrice`, yes but I have some packages of gnome installed ... and they crashes firefox
[21:35] <BP{k}> tom__: which packages?
[21:35] <Dominian> Then.. how is that Slackware's faulta gain?
[21:35] <tom__> BP{k}, :  glib2 when saving as ...
[21:35] <tom__> wait I will uninstall it
[21:35] <thrice`> don't uninstall glib2
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[21:35] <hitest> Hmmmm......my FF works in XFce and Fluxbox........no gnome libs here:)
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[21:36] <BP{k}> hitest: zomg! :o ;)
[21:36] <thrice`> actually, it might be a good learning lession.  go ahead :)
[21:36] <hitest> hehe
[21:36] <thrice`> (this is how I learned what 'glibc' did when I first started with slackware) :>
[21:37] Action: BP{k} didn't know glib2 was "gnome" 
[21:37] <tom__> thrice`, thats contradictionary cause the glib2 is part of GTK
[21:37] <thrice`> so?  obviously firefox needs gtk to function, since it's a GTK application
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[21:37] <tom__> yes but GTK \sub GNOME, right ?
[21:38] <thrice`> kinda.  the gnome guys work on it, since gnome also uses GTK, but many other projects do to :)
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[21:38] <wollw> GTK = Gimp ToolKit
[21:39] Action: hitest wanders off to dinner.....bbl
[21:39] <tom__> ok hmm maybe I would try to run it on a clean  linux account ...
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[21:39] <tom__> how do I create one .... adduser, right ?
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[21:39] <dios_mio> so in KDE, i enabled nvidia but cant enable desktop effects.. any halp?
[21:39] <thrice`> yes tom__
[21:40] <acidtripper> tried on kde system settings?
[21:40] <tom__> brb
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[21:40] <dios_mio> well, it wont allow me to enable OpenGL one, and the Xrander one works very slowly.. no difference from without nvidia
[21:41] <mshade> anyone know how to identify sparse files with find?
[21:41] <acidtripper> try adding some options to xorg.conf in order to activate 3d
[21:41] <dios_mio> ok
[21:41] <fire|bird> dios_mio: you changed xorg.conf to use nvidia for the driver, and then logged out and back it?
[21:42] <dios_mio> fire|bird, the nvidia installer i got from nvidia site changed the xorg file... and i started X
[21:42] <acidtripper> but installer ask if you want to change driver section
[21:42] <dios_mio> i get nvidia in lsmod, and in gredp xorg.conf
[21:42] <BP{k}> dios_mio: what does "glxinfo | grep VENDOR" tell you?
[21:42] <acidtripper> but, try checking... and search on google enable 3d xorg.conf nvidia
[21:43] <dios_mio> BP{k}, , it says NVIDIA corporation
[21:43] <dios_mio> ok acid
[21:43] <acidtripper> or something similar
[21:43] <acidtripper> which vga do you have?
[21:43] <dios_mio> what do you mean which vga? my card?
[21:44] <acidtripper> yea
[21:44] <dios_mio> its a.....Geforce MX 400
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[21:45] <acidtripper> mmm it must go ok, but don't think you'll have best graphics
[21:45] <nix_chix0r> sawp
[21:45] <dios_mio> i need a glx line, i remember there was something like that
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[21:46] <acidtripper> google it
[21:46] <acidtripper> mx400 xorg.conf
[21:46] <acidtripper> the must be lot of info available
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[21:46] <BP{k}> dios_mio: what driver did you try to install?
[21:47] <wollw> dios_mio: here's my xorg.conf with a 8600M GT
[21:47] <wollw> pretty sure i have 3d acceleration working
[21:47] <wollw> http://codepad.org/Tn5kiF1h
[21:47] <wollw> i don't use KDE though
[21:47] <tom__> the second account works fine ... so it must be some of plugins ...
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[21:47] <dios_mio> BP, i got one from nvidia website
[21:48] <dios_mio> thanks wollw!
[21:48] <tom__> I disabled all the plugins and extensions on the first one but IT STILL CRASHES
[21:48] <BP{k}> dios_mio: well .. yes but *which* one?
[21:48] <dios_mio> BP, the one for my card
[21:48] <BP{k}> ...
[21:49] <dios_mio> BP, do you need the name? let me get it for you
[21:49] <BP{k}> dios_mio: don't bother.
[21:49] <BP{k}> tom__: if you run firefox from a terminal, does it produce any information on crash or during running.
[21:49] <dios_mio> BP{k},  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.13-pkg1.run
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[21:50] <tom__> no it does not.
[21:50] <tom__> also it crashes when running a new account by firefox -P
[21:51] <tom__> it must be some sort of gnome user configs that's screw this
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[21:51] <thrice`> have you tried "firefox -safe-mode" ?
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[21:52] <tom__> thrice`, also crashes
[21:52] <thrice`> can you tell me what "cat /etc/*-version" says ?
[21:52] <antiwire> this is bad news, considering that I i can't stand curry http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE59R1E020091028
[21:53] <dios_mio> what modules should one load in xorg.conf? I added glk, dbe and extmos, per wollw's config
[21:53] <acidtripper> glx
[21:53] <acidtripper> dri
[21:53] <dios_mio> glx*
[21:53] <acidtripper> dri2
[21:53] <dios_mio> oh I see
[21:54] <tom__> thrice`, Slackware 13.0.0.0.0
[21:54] <acidtripper> check on google man, a config file for your card!!!
[21:54] <acidtripper> and see there
[21:54] <dios_mio> for my card ok
[21:54] <tom__> what are the gnome or gtk file configs ?
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[21:55] <acidtripper> tom__, are you compiling gnome via slackbuilds?
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[21:56] <antiwire> there is not full gnome via slackbuilds.org
[21:56] <antiwire> only essentials
[21:56] <tom__> acidchild, that;s not the issue read a few lines above
[21:56] <acidtripper> tom__, couse you'r talking about gnome
[21:57] <acidtripper> and slack doesn'y have gnome as default
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[21:57] <mac-> which mobile phone have good support under Linux ?
[21:58] <acidtripper> motoral mx1000 or something like that
[21:58] <acidtripper> have linux
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[21:58] <mac-> but not have to have linux on-board
[21:58] <pi31415> know how to tell which fonts an X application is using?
[21:59] <mac-> I mean i.e. have software for contacts, multimedia and toher
[21:59] <mac-> other
[22:00] <wollw> iirc there is a reason not to load dri and dri2 with nvidia cards
[22:00] Action: wollw googles
[22:03] <wollw> http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Xorg.conf <-- line starting as "# Enabling the nvidia drivers means"
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[22:04] <dios_mio> thanks wollw
[22:05] <dios_mio> wollw, so the modules you load are the ones for nvidia after all
[22:06] <agentc0re> isn't dri built into the nvidia drivers?
[22:06] <dios_mio> yes thats what it says
[22:06] <dios_mio> in that page
[22:06] <wollw> not sure, i just know my xorg.conf says :)
[22:06] Action: agentc0re didn't read it
[22:06] <wollw> s/says/works
[22:06] <agentc0re> i'm just recalling from memory.
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[22:11] <tom__> Hey listen should  I copy all default fiels from the foobar account I just made to my folder ? Some of the config files should now match.
[22:12] <tom__> hey
[22:12] <mfillpot> tom__: why are you planning to copy the files?
[22:13] <tom__> to restore the settings for firefox which is misteriously crashed only for my account
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[22:14] <mfillpot> then you should copy the .firefox and .mozilla folders and change the rights to the new user
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[22:16] <tom__> how do  I recursivly change owner for a dictionary ?
[22:17] <dios_mio> -R i think
[22:17] <mfillpot> tom__: chown -R user:user directory
[22:18] <tom__> thanks
[22:18] <wollw> dios_mio: this is the page i was actually looking for
[22:18] <wollw> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/190.42/README/chapter-06-section-02.html
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[22:19] <dios_mio> thanks wollw ... but one just wonders.. the nvidia driver install utility already writes its own xorg.conf, and adds the nvidia driver line.. but it wont add any module lines.. weird
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[22:20] <dios_mio> thanks wollw ... but one just wonders.. the nvidia driver install utility already writes its own xorg.conf, and adds the nvidia driver line.. but it wont add any module lines.. weird
[22:20] <wollw> yeah... i didn't have much luck with their installer
[22:20] <tom__> mfillpot, it does not help ...
[22:21] <dios_mio> wollw,  the installer wouldnt use in previous slackware.. I think i tried in 12... but it worked this time, I was surprised actually
[22:21] <dios_mio> wouldnt work, I mean
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[22:21] <wollw> the default slack xorg.conf worked for me but the generated one from the installer didn't
[22:22] <dios_mio> 13.0 comes with no xorg.conf i think.. there is a xorg.conf-vesa only
[22:22] <mfillpot> tom__: what kind of an error are you getting?
[22:22] <tom__> NO ERROR
[22:22] <wollw> well whatever it was running startx just worked for me from a fresh install
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[22:22] <dios_mio> yeah for me too
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[22:23] <dios_mio> so wollw .. do you get to enjoy the desktop effects now?
[22:23] <mfillpot> tom__: so then why do you say that it didn't work?
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[22:23] <wollw> i haven't used them but i've run 3d games
[22:23] <dios_mio> cool
[22:23] <wollw> using opengl
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[22:23] <dios_mio> great... let me try enabling glx once more
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[22:32] <wollw> dios_mio: i just changed into kde and effects seem to work here
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[22:32] <dios_mio> does KDE use compiz or a different thing?
[22:33] <wollw> i think it is compiz
[22:33] <dios_mio> because i got some info on the compiz site
[22:33] <dios_mio> ok thx
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[22:36] <wollw> can't seem to get the desktop cube thingy to work though
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[22:36] <wollw> shortcut doesn't seem to do anything
[22:36] <wollw> <wollw> can't seem to get the desktop cube thingy to work though
[22:36] <wollw> was that something you wanted?
[22:36] <dios_mio> wollw, , ok it worked this time.. with the glx module and a line in the device section some "addARGBGLXVSisuals" line
[22:36] <dios_mio> no thats ok
[22:37] <wollw> ah, works in opengl mode anyway
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[22:37] <dios_mio> well the desktop cube works too... it is not as fast though
[22:37] <dios_mio> it was much smoother on ubuntu
[22:38] <wollw> smooth as i can imagine being noticeable on my 8600M GT
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[22:39] <wollw> anyway time to change back to fluxbox before my fan makes me deaf
[22:39] <dios_mio> heh
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[22:41] <dios_mio> wollw, why use fluxbox when you have all the hardware?
[22:42] <wollw> it prefer it in general actually
[22:43] <wollw> i like the menu system
[22:43] <dios_mio> I need a desktop that will highlight new activity in windows.. especially useful for MSN and chat
[22:43] <dios_mio> in the task bar I mean
[22:43] <wollw> most programs i use flash in the task bar
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[22:44] <dios_mio> fluxbox has that feature too.. but its taskbar is crap.. especially compared to advanced one like KDE's
[22:44] <dios_mio> an advanced one
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[22:49] <wollw> basically fluxbox does everything i need a WM to do
[22:49] <dios_mio> well they are all the same..
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[22:50] <wollw> well even in that case at least fluxbox doesn't turn my fan on :)
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[22:50] <dios_mio> CPU fan?
[22:51] <wollw> not sure, that i can hear it
[22:51] <wollw> +just
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[23:31] Action: mag0o never realized he was just a stone's throw from Alan_Hicks 
[23:31] <jeev> why dont you throw a stone at him then
[23:31] <jeev> see what happens
[23:32] <dios_mio> who is alan hicks?
[23:32] <jeev> the guy from american idol
[23:32] <dios_mio> oh
[23:32] <jeev> lol im kidding
[23:33] <mag0o> hehe
[23:33] <fire|bird> haha
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[23:53] <maciuszek> how does slackware mount usbs? im using slackware13 with kde desktop enviorment and this is confusing me a bit since im very use to macs style mounting them in /Volumes
[23:54] <maciuszek> like when i insert a usb i see it being found in /dev as sdc although i have no idea where its being mounted right when i insert it
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[23:54] <dios_mio> KDE should just see it
[23:55] <maciuszek> yeah it does im able to open it with dolphin im just tripping out where it is
[23:55] <wollw>  /mnt is the normal mount directory unless kde changes that too
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[23:56] <maciuszek> cause it doesnt seem like i can access it through terminal until i mount it manually hwich makes no sense to me :S does kde mountit to any certain directory?
[23:56] <dios_mio> well, change dolphin settings to show the exact address in the address bar
[23:56] <dios_mio> right click the address bar, it has a "show full path"
[23:56] <maciuszek> lol dios thats actually i good idea =P ty alright gonna try that now
[23:56] <dios_mio> :)
[23:57] <fire|bird> maciuszek: From a terminal, you can also use the mount command, which will show you what is mounted and where.
[23:58] <maciuszek> fire|bird: yeah im aware of that just it was doing is automatically for me and i had no idea where it could be mounted since find wasent able to find it anywhere utnill i mounted it myself
[23:58] <maciuszek> but yeah its in /media/disk :S no idea why i couldnt locate it prior
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[23:59] <maciuszek> find / -name grabagefile -print didnt work at all lol but yeah well ty :)
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