[00:00] MCS and autodetect both allow me to mount it, but the directories are all empty [00:00] UrchLap: Good evening. [00:00] apparently (this is from forum posts by ubuntards, mind) songs that get added in MTS mode, don't show up in MCS mode [00:01] MrHales [00:02] So... what is the "Lap" signifying, exactly? I missed the memo. [00:02] bakednoodle (n=bakednoo@207.233.110.67) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference" [00:03] MrHales: that he's using his laptop [00:03] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] Ah. [00:03] <-- simple, please forgive [00:03] UrchLap: Does ls -a -R on the MUSIC dir show anything? [00:04] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:06] no [00:06] In that case: Urch, clone your lap in ##slackofftopic [00:06] ls -lR /mnt/tmp shows nothing [00:06] I mean not *nothing*, the MUSIC and other directories (AUDIOBOOKS, etc) exist [00:06] but they're all empty [00:07] doing up a slackbuild for libmtp, hopefully its example programs will include a way to list and copy stuff from the player [00:07] UrchLap: Yeah, looking at a few forums myself shows what that Ubuntu post showed for you. Are you able to use a windows machine, transfer the music onto there, then put it in MCS mode and transfer it back? [00:08] I possibly could do that, but I have no idea what issues I might run into (they use MS media player as a cataloging system, no idea if it'll get confused by that or not) [00:09] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [00:09] MS Media Player is pretty good with picking it up regardless, but I see what you mean. [00:09] basically, I not only don't want to break anything, I don't even want to change anything visible, these people are the type who would freak out and think the computer was broken if I were to change the windows theme or something like that [00:09] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) joined ##slackware. [00:10] hahaha [00:10] hey guys [00:10] what does it mean when my headphones work, but my built in (laptop) speakers don't? [00:10] UrchLap: mtp-tools would be a cli way to access, transfer, etc. once you get libmtp done. [00:11] redtricyc: when the laptop speakers don't work, do you still have the headphones plugged in? [00:11] I meant independently [00:11] volume levels? anything muted? [00:11] bit thanks for asking to make sure [00:12] well, slack13 running well on an old laptop :) [00:12] nope everything up using alsamixer [00:12] and nothing muted? tried running alsaconf? [00:12] how to save alsamixer conf ? [00:12] yep alsaconf several times [00:12] Emeau: alsactl store [00:13] i tried alsaconf, i can have missused it but my alsamixer "mute" one of my speaker at each reboot [00:13] thanks :) [00:13] also updated alsa-lib and alsa-driver to 1.0.20 [00:13] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) joined ##slackware. [00:14] ugh hit the wrong button and disced myself [00:14] haha [00:14] are your headphones regular analog headphones, or are they USB? [00:14] analog heasphoes [00:14] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:14] cause if they're USB, they count as a separate sound card... [00:14] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-34-32-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [00:14] sorry for the typos... on my mobile phone bc my Internet is out too [00:15] hm. Did the laptop speakers ever work (in any OS)? [00:15] not a happy day so far [00:15] laptop worked inslacl12.2 [00:15] I'm slackware 12.2 [00:15] I upgrades to 13.0 64biy [00:16] ok, so it's not broken speakers... [00:16] nod [00:17] where are the error or debug logs located? would they help for this problem? [00:17] I dunno, I was under the impression the speakers/headphones are switched by a completely "dumb" system, like they are on an old stereo (plug in headphones, the jack has a switch that cuts out the speakers) [00:18] now, on my laptop, I have to crank the volume to be able to hear it at all (not a new problem, these are just lame speakers) [00:18] so perhaps... the headhone switch is stuck on? [00:18] would that be possible? [00:18] software wise [00:20] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:20] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) left irc: [00:21] I'd expect that to be a strictly hardware switch [00:21] but, eh, I'm basing this on my knowledge of laptops, which is always outdated because I can't afford to buy a new one every couple of years [00:21] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) joined ##slackware. [00:22] eh, try to stay with us :) [00:22] sigh, also can't background irc chat :/ [00:22] < UrchLap> I'd expect that to be a strictly hardware switch [00:22] < UrchLap> but, eh, I'm basing this on my knowledge of laptops, which is always outdated because I can't afford to buy a new one every couple of years [00:22] ponder [00:23] ok I'm going to have to disc to google this bc I can't run more than one program at a time [00:23] thanks for the help so far, I'll pop back in after a little while [00:23] good luck [00:23] phones don't multitask these days? [00:24] not designed to :P [00:24] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) left irc: Client Quit [00:26] bleah, last phone I owned was too dumb to let me look up someone's phone number if I was already talking [00:26] (e.g. Alice calls me and wants to know Bob's number, I have to hang up, look up number, memorize or write it down, call her back) [00:27] that's just laziness on the part of the firmware designers, I suspect [00:28] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:28] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.123) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_sleep [00:29] fire|bird: so, libmtp seems to be able to talk to the damn thing, and sees the files [00:29] that's good. A start anyway. [00:29] (the example programs that come with it are user-unfriendly even by my standards, but they're enough to see that I'm on the right track) [00:30] cool [00:30] Hopefully you'll have luck with that then. [00:31] eh, BTW, what ubuntu and debian call "mtp-tools" are just the example programs that come with the library [00:31] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] hahaha [00:31] UrchLap: sounds just like something they'd do [00:31] (they like to split stuff up into multiple packages for no sane reason: what use is having libmtp and mtp-tools as separate packages, you will never want to install one without the other!) [00:31] lol [00:32] seriously, you need at least "mtp-detect" to even connect to the device, and mtp-detect needs libmtp.so to be able to run of course [00:33] if I were the cynical type, I might say they do it so they can brag about the number of packages they have [00:35] OK, "mtp-files" spits out a highly verbose list (each file/directory/playlist/etc takes up 6 lines on screen)... each file has a file ID (a number), and "mtp-getfile filename.mp3" will copy the file to filename.mp3. Good enough for me to start scripting, anyway [00:36] cool [00:36] Crash time. UrchLap: since you said you liked my fiction, here's an actual (short) story -- http://wwandi.com/content/file-discovered-laptop-possession-suspect [00:36] g'night all [00:36] at least you can do something with it now. [00:36] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) left irc: "http://wwandi.com -- Still not ready for prime time." [00:36] ah! "MTPfs is a FUSE filesystem that supports reading and writing from any MTP device" [00:37] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [00:39] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) joined ##slackware. [00:40] okay google suggested that I upgrade [00:40] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:40] and it looks like 1.0.21 was released a week ago, so I'll give that a try once o have Internet again [00:41] for now, I'll wallow in failure [00:42] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:42] redtricyc (n=irchon@166.205.134.37) left irc: Client Quit [00:45] hm, mtpfs appears to actually work OK [00:46] except when I try to run it as root, then it borks up, but that's fine [00:47] At least it's allowing you to do something. :) [00:47] it's rather slow [00:47] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [00:48] wonder whether I'd want to try to make it automount with udev [00:49] damn, it's *really* slow [00:49] haha [00:50] 3 minutes so far, and it's only copied 139M [00:50] haha [00:50] well, at least it's getting somewhere. [00:51] it's probably slow enough that I couldn't actually play MP3s from it directly [00:51] and that's out of 400, right? or somewhere around there? [00:51] yah [00:51] it's using almost no CPU, either [00:52] wonder if it's somehow managed to get stuck in USB 1.1 mode [00:52] that could be [00:52] zerafuze (n=zerafuze@bas1-barrie18-1242380410.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: [00:52] last thing in dmesg: usb 1-1: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10 [00:53] lol [00:53] uhci_hcd, from what I remember, means high speed (45MB/sec or whatever) [00:53] er, full speed [00:53] too bad it's not USB 3 super speed. :P [00:53] "high speed" I think is the slow-ass USB 1.1 speed, and "full speed" is USB 2.0 [00:54] anyway the main reason for messing with this, was to see if I want to buy one (they're like $20 at wal-mart) [00:55] yeah, I got mine as a gift a few years ago. [00:55] the 2G model [00:55] am guessing, if I were to set it to MCS mode before first use, it'd be perfectly fine for me [00:55] yeah, it would, if you started with MCS you'd be fine. [00:56] this one is used for "house music" at our shows (the stuff that plays between sets) [00:56] a lot more convenient than dealing with CDs and a CD player in a dark, crowded bar [00:57] yeah, that's for sure. [00:57] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:59] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:00] heh, on this player, he has a directory called "Mullets Rock! Volume I" [01:01] hahaha [01:03] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: "l8r" [01:04] hahaha [01:05] only 2 songs in there are "smoke on the water" and "bad to the bone"... which I guess count as music for guys with mullets [01:07] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:07] lazulis (n=akari@117.120.26.242) left irc: "Leaving." [01:07] hey #slackware [01:07] hola [01:07] Action: Cann0n plops down on the channel sofa like he owns the place [01:08] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.147) joined ##slackware. [01:09] wish i didnt have dial up [01:09] i'd like to bust out 13 [01:09] whoops, I didn't need to make a slackbuild for libmtp, it's already in slackware 13 [01:09] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [01:09] i haven't even read tho change log yet [01:10] s/tho/the [01:10] fire|bird: sup [01:10] still waiting for it to download? [01:11] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Time is 10:11pm, computer has been up for 2w 6d 12h 37m 32s [01:11] hmm [01:11] windows vista is about to reach a breaking point [01:11] i should reboot. [01:11] hell no. ant 230,400 baud rate i'd be here for months [01:12] no you shouldn't [01:12] oh [01:12] Vista... [01:12] yea [01:12] brb [01:12] omg [01:12] yeah. I kept a server running for 7 months before a power failure [01:12] hi people [01:12] hi [01:13] I like the number 7 [01:13] very religious [01:13] me too. :-) [01:13] rhys_android (n=fircuser@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] I think i was running slack 7.2? or 9.2... i cant remember [01:13] 7 is stable btw [01:14] ello slackers. [01:14] yeah, right.. 7th slack :D [01:14] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [01:14] and... oo. I'm @comcast now. :-/ [01:15] lol, one of my spelling words in my English Comp1 is Benevolent. I always think of Pat... [01:15] I'd love to have comcast, but i'd nood more drive space... [01:15] heheh `;.;' [01:15] Cann0n, I have 2.5TB, and I know the problem. [01:15] O.o [01:16] I have 58GB [01:16] is comcast more evil than time warner? [01:16] y0 Cann0n, how's it going? [01:16] Only if you have to talk to someone in corperate. [01:16] fire|bird: going good. school, skating, same old. lol [01:17] broke as a joke and cant afford to toke! [01:17] haha [01:17] for smaller and faster guest, what's recommended? 12.2 or 13.0? [01:17] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: "leaving" [01:17] prime directive, you're failing sir. [01:17] eldragon: what? [01:17] for smaller and faster guest machine, what's recommended? 12.2 or 13.0? [01:17] I'm assuming Virtual guest? [01:17] yes [01:18] i haven't tried 13 but i'd imagine there isn't that much of a difference between the two [01:18] I mean... I don't know how to answer that. size is going to be based on how the kernel is compiled, not the diff between slackware releases [01:19] moron, the installed apps count [01:19] but you can select what you want installed... idiot. [01:19] I would assume the newer kernel would perform better depending on the virtualization tech [01:19] ...... [01:19] hey Cann0n, when was the last time slackwares package installer had a major change? [01:20] beats me. looked the same for years [01:20] still full/expert/package tags etc like in 2004? [01:20] haven't tried 13. 12.2 looked a lot like 9.x [01:21] because then eldragon, that has nothing to do with slackware, so go stuff yourself [01:21] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [01:21] rhys_android, thanks. [01:21] Some slackware users still use much older versions. If you want cutting edge updates and such, go to #ubuntu [01:21] i think that 13 looks heavy [01:21] and 12.2 looks lightweight [01:22] eldragon: how long have you used slackware? [01:22] many years, and i'm getting little problems [01:22] ... then why are you asking question like which one is lighter? [01:22] as that the X apps are being more unresponsive [01:22] eldragon, I've been installing [a] for a very long time. and [a] hasn't gotten any heavier [01:22] in higher load [01:23] 07:23:47 up 311 days, 22:18, 204 users, load average: 5.55, 5.77, 6.22 [01:23] Action: Cann0n claps. [01:24] whats the default environment you run on your users? [01:24] oh yeah? 07:23:47 up 70000 days, 22:18, 204 users, load average: 500.55, 600.77, 600.22 [01:24] as she sits on his face, lie you little bastard, lie! [01:24] LOL antiwire [01:24] sup? [01:24] so this is a virtual machine with 204 users on a heavily overtaxed machine? wtf? [01:24] agris2 (n=agris@213.226.141.192) joined ##slackware. [01:24] $ cat /etc/slackware-version [01:24] Slackware 11.0.0 [01:25] I too have used 11 [01:25] too obsolete to upgrade current packages [01:25] LIES@ [01:26] i don't lie, it's the truth. [01:26] MORE LIES! [01:26] $ uname -a [01:26] Linux pc0 2.6.26.326ago08 #1 PREEMPT Tue Aug 26 21:48:17 CEST 2008 i686 athlon-4 i386 GNU/Linux [01:26] yea. its a vm. make a copy, upgrade it, and if you fail, you still have the copy. [01:26] why can't you upgrade it? [01:26] lol, this guy in tho student center asked to use my laptop to check his myspace, he was like, WTF? (dvorak keymap) [01:27] mostly, if not something special in /etc/, then you have to do it just right ;) [01:27] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-54.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] anyway... 11.0 to -current... what a madness in mind?? [01:27] Heh, i'm still on 2.6.27.7 [01:27] because of dependencies hell, GLIBC version mismatch , another libraries version mismatches, etc. [01:28] why aren't you using ubuntu then? [01:28] I rather enjoy dependency adventures... [01:28] Cann0n, wouldn't you please stop trolling [01:29] brian1 (n=brian@c-76-30-122-72.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-175-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:29] agris2: hey, I didn't call someone a moron first there pal. [01:29] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:29] eldragon, slackware doesn't have dependecy hell. you can force anything. and like I said, its a vm. you can manually go through the package list and upgrade it. [01:29] Action: Cann0n mutes agris2 and eldragon. [01:29] There problem solved. [01:29] Action: fire|bird high fives Cann0n :) [01:30] i couldn't install GHC-6.10.4 in Slackware-11.0 [01:30] Cann0n => bannOn [01:30] LOL fire|bird [01:30] agris2: WOW, how original. [01:30] aww man, sounds like i missed some great IRC nonsense. [01:30] stop trolling agris2 [01:30] fire|bird, yeah, right [01:30] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-20-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:30] eldragon, this a dev machine? [01:31] it's my personal computer [01:31] took a second to remember the /ignore. been a few months since i really been in here... dial up is pain in my ass. [01:31] where i'm using it for IRC [01:31] eldragon, then why 204 users and the 5 cpu load averages? is it a quad core? [01:32] Cann0n: haha, you're still on dial-up? [01:32] yeah :( [01:32] oh. irc? as in a IRC server? [01:32] it's a single core, i've too open xterm, firefoxes, thunderbirdes, emules, etc. [01:32] Cann0n: yikes, that sucks. [01:32] all in 9 virtual desktops. [01:32] Cann0n, I'm on a G1 Android phone. [01:33] eldragon, xmonad? from you needing ghc? [01:33] Cann0n: Should I feel bad now that my ISP upped my speed to 12 Mbps? :P [01:33] is that your only source of internet? [01:33] xmonad is not installed yet [01:33] haskell ewwww j/k lol [01:33] Cann0n, currently. I just moved in tonight and all they have is wireless. so my desktop and server sleep [01:34] hehe. now I'm chicago, so at least I get 3g. hell yeas. [01:34] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-20-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:34] ah. see, 5 people share one usb dial up modem because for some reason... everyone seems to have winmodems and no windows [01:35] rhys_android, how's the chi? I used to live there but moved this past year. Cold yet? [01:35] Cann0n, I have at least 3 USR serial 56k modems. [01:35] fire|bird: lol. i was running on 57600 baud rate and recently tested 230,400 baud rate and seemed to work. [01:35] brian1, nope, still cozy warm. [01:36] nothing higher works. :( [01:36] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.123) left irc: Connection timed out [01:36] fire|bird: did you get a letter from your ISP that said "We've upped our speed, so up yours!" [01:36] yeah. who ever invented winmodems should go to hell. [01:37] I just moved in with 2 vegan tattooed girls I met 3 days ago on craigslist. [01:37] UrchLap: hahaha, nope, but I did get an e-mail from them saying "Now you have bragging rights" :P [01:37] ugh [01:37] rhys_android: other than the vegan part, that sounds fun [01:37] rhys, why would you do that to yourself? [01:37] rhys_android: i got a buddy up in chi. he just moved there. haven't heard from him in a few weeks. i think he got locked up. :-( [01:37] lol [01:38] Cann0n: any certain reason? :P [01:38] rhys_android: LMFAO. been there. give it a month. you will miss meat and feel bad for eating burgers in front of them [01:38] they say I just need my own dishes. they were slightly leery of me tonight, as I made my turkey/cheese pita with pesto/ranch sauce... with the only 2 utensils I own. a 5 inch buckknife and a measuring cup... [01:38] anyone who not only refuses to eat meat despite being a member of a species at the top of the food chain, but who also doesn't know a "vegan" is an alien from the star Vega, doesn't even deserve contempt... [01:38] fire|bird: no idea. haven't heard from him lol [01:39] I wouldn't feel bad for eating meat in front of someone who doesn't eat meat [01:39] If they didn't want people to eat animals, they shouldn't make animals out of meat. [01:39] antiwire: depends on the circumstances probly. If the person couldn't eat meat because he's allergic, I'd feel bad [01:39] haha [01:39] that's different [01:39] antiwire: i was kicked out of a place for that... [01:39] That's be a aweful allergy to have. [01:39] they don't stop me eating meat. just them... [01:39] err s/That's/That'd/ [01:40] it does amuse me the beloved animals they want to protect kill the shit out of other wildlife. [01:40] fire|bird: I know one worse: a guy I went to high school with was a vegetarian, and he turned out to be allergic to most vegetables [01:40] go tell local wolves to eat a salad. [01:40] I couldn't take it. i ate wendy's in front of a lady who ran a bird sancatury. she was pissed. [01:40] broccoli, rice, any form of grain... [01:40] corn! The guy couldn't even eat corn! [01:40] UrchLap: wow, I have several allergies, but none of those thankfully. [01:40] mmmm corn [01:41] i had a killer omelet tonight. got pics too [01:41] they have a point though. factory farming is pretty disgusting. [01:41] agreed [01:41] Cann0n: you take pics of your food so you can remember what you ate later? :P [01:41] true but peta kills more cats n dogs than lab experiments [01:42] his doctor made him start eating chicken & tried to get him to eat red meat, just because there wasn't enough variety in the small subset of his diet that he could keep eating... [01:42] LOL no. I'm big fan of a skateboard forum. [01:42] we post shit like that all the tie [01:42] s/tie/time [01:42] Rat409: i don't doubt you but what proof you have? [01:42] tv news [01:42] fair enough [01:42] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:42] http://www.silverfishlongboarding.com/forum/members/cann0n-albums-my-stuff-picture3053-good.jpg [01:42] peta, aren't those the people who like dogs & cats better than humans? [01:42] but I grew up on a farm. currently "breakfast" "lunch" and "dinner" are our three hamps being raised very happily to be butchered and put in our freezer [01:43] hamps? that better not be short for "hamster"... [01:43] Cann0n: ok, so, take an old crappy skateboard, cut out the shape of teeth marks in it, take a picture, post it on that forum with the caption "Mmmmmm, Fiber" :) [01:43] UrchLap: Human tastes nasty. Cats are god slow cooked. [01:43] hampshire pigs. bluebutts. [01:43] fire|bird: LMFAO!!!! [01:43] gonna say, you'd starve to death eating hamster, damn near no meat on those things [01:43] fire|bird: that's some funny shit... [01:44] :) [01:44] actually they say human flesh tastes like pork (the name for human flesh in several cannibal tribes translates as "long pig") [01:44] its salty [01:44] do it with a Trylam. Carbon fiber, fiberglass and maple [01:44] CURU!! [01:44] obviously ##slackware is as far from vegans as it gets. [01:45] Action: twolf eats a bacon cheeseburger [01:45] heh, I just ate a chicken drumstick 5mins ago, it was good [01:45] UrchLap: yeah but those tribes are heathly people with less toxins in their bodies. [01:45] Cann0n: hey, I didn't make any judgements [01:46] lol [01:46] I feel like I need to give them a week or so before I tell them I not only eat meat, but I happily hunt, gut and butcher meat. [01:46] lol [01:46] can someone please link a site comparison of cables of audio/vido trhoughput [01:46] I had a roommate once who wore a chef's coat with a logo on the back that said "Cannibal Cafe: Eat or Be Eaten!" [01:46] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:46] or show them the crossbow in one of my bags for rabbit/squirrel... [01:46] my bad. one way to really know huh? i say we eat agris2, but i doubt there is much meat on her. [01:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_%28disease%29 [01:47] LOL [01:47] slackwared, for what? [01:47] lol [01:47] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [01:47] stupid one cannon [01:47] rhys_android: so, uh, what possessed you to move in with people you just met 3 days ago? (I mean even if they're 2 hot girls, eh, you can't possibly know them that well...) [01:48] has he said they are hot? [01:48] rhys_android: if they are lebo's, beware... [01:48] rhys_android: for a receiver-PC without hdmi output [01:48] Kuru sounds pretty gnarly [01:48] they are hot, non lesbian. one is taken though. and I took it because my first day of work in chi is tomorrow [01:49] and I needed to move in 4 days [01:49] i want it... proof of cannibalism [01:49] slackwared, reciever pc? what will these cables be carrying. [01:49] just wanna know whats the best option if it is to use s/pdif or coaxial audio cable, [01:50] Cann0n: some people are protected from curu [01:50] kuru* [01:50] HD media rhys_android [01:50] by their gens [01:50] 1080P/5.1 [01:50] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] rhys_android: don't go sneaking in their rooms and raiding their panty drawer while they are not home... I know it will be hard to resist, but trust me. you don't want to get caught. [01:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427511.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:51] winter: oh... didn't read that part [01:51] slackwared, a s/pdif over fiberoptic is going to be your best. but s/pdif is digital. so it doesn't really matter about the cable [01:51] because it's not there [01:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427511.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:51] rhys_android: ah. that would be a weird situation for me... I don't like living with girls who aren't my girlfriend, it always causes problems [01:51] oh. well then. they failed to teach about kuru in EMT school [01:52] UrchLap: agreed. I don't even like living with girlfriends [01:52] I'm polyamorous and have dated a porn actress. its fine. [01:52] oh, wait, the time I lived with my girlfriend, the whole 2-year period could be described as a problem... [01:52] LOL [01:53] yeah. I still have my ex's dog. [01:54] rhys_android: an example: I lived with a girl who was my brother's ex-gf, she seemed cool, but then she hooked up with a literal psychopath (he was a grown man who liked to torture animals to death, he was a neo-nazi, he's currently in prison for murder)... nothing I could do would get her to break up with this guy, or at least stop having him come over to the house [01:54] hm. 1am. gotta crash [01:55] later rhys_android [01:55] UrchLap: yeah. that's no good. girls like the bad guys. [01:55] I'd rather skate that date. [01:55] s/taht/than [01:55] well, I kind of have a "bad guy" image, but it's really just an image [01:55] UrchLap, wow. no... nothing like that. the one has a tatoo covering her thigh of jesus being shreded by a rhino and a hippo, but I'm sure their cool [01:56] O_o [01:56] heh, anyone with a tattoo like that has got to at least be interesting to talk to [01:56] lol [01:56] yeah. [01:56] not really [01:56] she is probably pagan [01:57] she's fun. anyway. *sleep*. night ya'll. [01:57] rhys_android (n=fircuser@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [01:57] i personally worship the all might lord, Skatan! [01:57] "pagan"... is that a formally defined religion now, or is it still a catch-all category for "non-christian"? [01:57] iapropos "bad" polish neonazis are hosting their site with people to eliminate on a american server so law can't do a shit about it [01:57] almighty* [01:58] UrchLap: beats me. I was taking a wild guess. but i've know girls who claimed they were pagan and liked shit like that. they were lebo's tho [01:58] winter: wait, what? they're trying to take someone else's server down, or their server's the one being threatened? [01:59] most people I meet who call themselves pagan or wiccan turn out to be pretty vague about it (like "I worship the goddess"... "OK, which one?", and they can't name a single one, or come up with a semi-intelligent answer even) [01:59] they sorta go, "uhhh, you know, like, the goddess!" [01:59] i mean that they are hosting their "polish people to eliminate" site on an amireican (foreign) host so it's out of the polish low [01:59] law [02:00] normally it should be banned and those pips should be jailed here [02:00] UrchLap: yeah. sad how people throw religions around like that. [02:00] winter: hm. Normally I'm in favor of free speech (even nazis have the right to say what they want, as long as it's just talk...) but if it's really a list of people they want to kill... hm. [02:00] well it is [02:01] neonazi's need to get with the new times... and americans need to stop being money hungry. [02:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [02:01] with pictures and other informations if possible [02:01] pretty sure that's illegal in the US, too [02:01] the cops in Poland should sic the FBI on them [02:02] aussie (n=chatzill@ppp121-44-8-254.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:03] I think hitler was a great war leader, but i don't like his cause and what he did. I think people that follow him are out of wack up stairs. [02:03] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] he may have started out as a great war leader (assuming anyone who starts a war can truly be called "great") [02:03] Cann0n, you heard about 'The Family' ? [02:03] near the end he got paranoid and superstitious [02:04] jeev: the brotherhood? [02:04] when your troops are freezing to death and their supply lines have been cut, you order a retreat [02:04] (maybe you call it a "strategic withdrawal") [02:04] american politicians and shit who love and respect hitler and think that god put him there for a reason.. now i dont really care for jews because they're always complaining and think they own the world and deserve the world.. but i dont care who the fuck it is, nobody deserves to die [02:05] jeev: I think he was talking only about hitler's abilities as a strategist (that's what I'm talking about anyway) [02:05] some people cant live without killing [02:05] a only think murderers, child molesters and people that talk in the movies should be put to death... [02:05] na, they love that he was up there, respect that he was there for a reason [02:05] and god put him as a leader thingy [02:05] UrchLap: you are right. he wal ruthless as fuck. [02:05] kind of disregarding everything he did [02:05] Cann0n: I'd be dead then, I can never keep my mouth shut at movies (especially bad movies) [02:05] UrchLap: i meant on phones. [02:05] winter, yea.. americans can't. [02:05] UrchLap: if its a bad movie, i'll leave. lol [02:06] my friends left during bruno heh [02:06] that's not about the nation but just single units [02:06] a nation* [02:06] Cann0n: so hitler's troops are getting slaghtered in russia, there is *no way* he can win. What does he do? He promotes the commanding general to Field Marshal, giving the reason as "No Field Marshal in my army has ever lost a campaign" [02:06] but yeah. religion and land lead to war. [02:07] he really thought promoting the general would magically make him able to win an unwinnable situation [02:07] Cann0n, and the word "Patriot" [02:07] and if you're not a "patriot, you're not a AMERICAN" [02:07] woops [02:07] badly quoted but you get it [02:07] heh, GW Bush already said I'm not an american (saw him give a speech where he said "no atheist can truly be an american" (paraphrased)) [02:07] there was a very important meeting on 70th anniversary of beginning of the ww2 in gdansk at 1st of september [02:07] brian1 (n=brian@c-76-30-122-72.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:07] UrchLap: yeah. his influences were great but he lacked many key strategies and an actually reason [02:08] ahh cool [02:08] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] jeev: i got ya. yeah. i'm not a patriat. i just care about a hand full of things. skating be 70% of it [02:08] patriot* [02:08] crazy [02:08] do you wear tight pants ? [02:09] Religion leads to arguements. That's mhy it's in the rules to avoid conversing about on forums and irc channels. [02:09] All Hail Skatan! [02:10] Cann0n: read Albert Speer's book sometime (called "Inside the Third Reich" I think) [02:10] UrchLap: i think my dad has that one. Blue cover? [02:10] he spent 21 years in the service [02:10] assuming the author is being honest, it's scary how much like a spoiled kid hitler's personality really was [02:11] no idea, mine was a paperback with a brown cover [02:11] ah. yeah i'll take note of that [02:11] oh yeah. he cave germany a bad rap. [02:11] look at japan... [02:12] shit, look at us. we nuked japan... [02:12] people still suffer from that... [02:12] cant find the article with those speeches right now [02:12] Cann0n, what's your point? america is #1 !!!! america doesn't care for anyone!!! oh yea.. except for israel [02:12] it was either nuke japan, or let a million US marines invade japan and kill millions of japanese [02:13] people died at hiroshima and nagasaki, and survivors got cancer later, but the death toll wasn't in the millions [02:13] yeah but more innocent people died that needed [02:14] that = than ? [02:14] http://74.125.39.132/translate_c?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://wyborcza.pl/1,76842,6989680,Uroczystosci_na_Westerplatte.html&prev=hp&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhhDoc9eSdM7QiucsLBxX0haOIWpQg [02:14] yeah thank jeev lol [02:14] isn't one innocent enough to stop ? [02:14] partly due to their own government's refusal to evacuate those cities. They were warned "We are going to drop a bomb that will kill everyone in this city. You have one week to evacuate" [02:14] still, a nuke is a pretty cheap shot [02:15] well yeah. if we didnt nuke them, history would be different. [02:15] japan would have suffered more, as a conquered territory [02:15] i wonder how many generations of idiot americans need to be born for them to understand every single war america has started was pointless [02:15] but man... nuclear power is just sick. einstein died a sad sad sad man... [02:15] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.200.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] i think that it should be interesting [02:16] if the US had had to take it by invasion, it'd still be a conquered territory, not an independent (and prosperous) country like it is now [02:16] jeev: i think all war is pointless [02:16] I wish all war was pointless [02:16] it's amazing how many people live in war zones in the middle east... [02:17] how was the world going to get rid of hitler and stop him from taking over europe, without going to war against him? [02:17] i mean, homes of the innocent just shell shocked [02:17] UrchLap, if ww 1 didn't happen. [02:17] UrchLap: well yeah but i mean, what about vietnam or korean war? [02:17] you're reminded me about modding warzone 2100 [02:17] wait! what about iraq and afghanistan ? [02:17] yeah, those are good examples of pointless wars [02:18] i like that game [02:18] very modable [02:18] i havent modded it yet [02:18] i like nexiuz but dial up = no go [02:18] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.48.27) joined ##slackware. [02:18] the US civil war could be considered pointless [02:18] the game itself is just a demonstration of its engine [02:18] (but don't tell my grandma that!) [02:19] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:19] yeah... [02:19] man [02:19] aussie (n=chatzill@ppp121-44-8-254.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090803171029]" [02:19] you see these anti depressent commercials [02:19] I mean, eventually slavery would have become obsolete due to advancing technology and social pressure from other countries [02:19] it's amazing, nobody in EU, africa, asia [02:19] nobody ever goes through this stuff [02:19] only americans.. because their life is so difficult, busy and messy. [02:20] americans work way too hard [02:20] yeah... are you tired? do you eat? are you breathing? you might be clinically depressed... talk to you doctor about smoking weed... [02:20] heh [02:20] actually, scratch that.. they dont work hard, they work a lot. [02:20] jeev: i'm pro-communist [02:20] heh [02:20] i like the idea. [02:20] communism has flaws [02:20] jeev: most employers here seem to care more about employees "looking busy" for 10 hours a day, than they do for actually being productive [02:21] like all govt [02:21] yea UrchLap, american employees sit around and answer personal emails all day, write and pay their bills.. surf the net and chat with eachother [02:21] communism would work great for some alien race that didn't have the concept of greed... but not for humans [02:21] well, found out why my laptop keeps going into swap storm [02:21] my dad works 7 days a week, 9 hours a day. he makes $8 an hour as a parts manager [02:21] why alisonken1lap [02:21] what's causing the thrashing? [02:21] Cann0n: ;s , america? [02:21] something about 512M ram but only a 1M swap file :) [02:21] Cann0n, tell him to move his ass out of america [02:21] swap partition [02:21] lol [02:22] Cann0n: *ouch*! This is the same dad that was in the service for 21 years? We should treat our veterans better than that. [02:22] we can't. the economy hit at a bad time for us [02:22] i had to sell all my shit to move to another state to my parents [02:22] jeev: great, so he can move to a country where everyone hates americans, and everyone knows he's an american? yeah, *that's* a good idea. [02:22] Cann0n, you all should move out [02:22] UrchLap: yeah... [02:22] and what's the right amount, 1.5+ ? [02:22] jeev: with what money? [02:22] jeev: see, I can overgeneralize, too! [02:23] mancha: I'm old school - double your ram [02:23] UrchLap, not everyone hates americans.. even in the mid east.. the american media only talks about the handful of people who hate americans [02:23] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.48.27) left irc: Client Quit [02:23] just like the moron republicans who dont want people to have healthcare [02:23] they only show those. [02:23] especially on a laptop if you want suspend to disk [02:23] double used to make sense in unix days [02:23] jeev: I don't watch "the american media", I'm going by the people I meet on IRC and such [02:23] i've never seen anyone on irc say they hate america [02:23] keep in mind that laptops do have extra requirements that desktops don't [02:23] granted, IRC users aren't necessarily valid in a statistics sense... [02:23] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] oh? [02:24] UrchLap, i've been on irc since maybe 97 or 98, never seen it [02:24] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.48.27) joined ##slackware. [02:24] i haven't even said it! [02:24] when you suspend to disk, it uses your swap partition [02:24] my dad gets very little from the govt for 21 years as a cheif in the navy. he has no 401k either [02:24] he will work until he isn't able to, then the rest is down hill. [02:24] so if you have swap active AND you suspend to disk, it may require more swap space to allow for reloading [02:24] Cann0n.. sucks, that should be enough for people not to enlist [02:24] jeev: yeah... i know right? [02:24] you didn't literally say "I hate americans", but your general attitude leads me to believe I'd be uncomfortable with you for a next door neighbor (at least, if I didn't already know you...) [02:25] alisonken1lap, 1 meg swap? [02:25] alison, i know that :) but you never have more than a ramsfull to sent to swap [02:25] Cann0n: well, as a chief, he retired with a better retirement than I got [02:25] UrchLap, im fine with my next doorn eighbors, californian's are a bit smarter when it comes to who's stealing from who [02:25] since I actually do know you, and you're basically OK, I'd trade my current next door neighbor for you in a heartbeat [02:25] i wouldn't be comfortable living with rednecks though [02:25] (my next door neighbor is as redneck as they come) [02:25] jeev: yep - something about not adding a G postfix when partitioning :) [02:25] UrchLap, i'd have to test you to be my neighbor or i'd have 1 foot nuclear warheads pointed at you! [02:26] alisonken1lap: his retirement check barely covers the families grocery bill [02:26] Cann0n: tell me about it :) [02:26] hm, can you make a nuke small enough to blow up a house without also blowing up the house next door? [02:26] i dunno, im' sure they've done it [02:26] UrchLap: not cost effective [02:26] better go with firearms, they're more precise [02:26] i forgot how much it is but my uncle was a horse cop for 7 years and gets nearly tripple the retirement [02:26] it also doesn't scale, in your case, i guess thats good. to have an extra 512MB to use as temp space while the ram is being written [02:27] but if you have 4 gigs ram, say, you don't need 8 gig swap (or 4 gigs extra while suspending) [02:27] I wish someone would buy me dinner before they fuck me in the ass. [02:27] Cann0n, i dont respect police that much but i think they deserve a bit more money. [02:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:27] nukes are too expensive for precision munitions if all you want to do is take out the neighbor's house [02:27] i think commissions should be capped [02:27] jeev: he was a horse cop. my dad was over sees. i grew up without him. [02:27] alison, the other issue is usage, say you have 512 ram and 1 gig swap and you are using 1.25 gig of mem (your full ram and .75 gig of swap, and you wanna suspend to disk) [02:28] yea i know. [02:28] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] i think fighting for the country is a bit more dangerous than patralling around on a horse all day [02:28] I think police should be paid more, and screened more carefully. You get all kinds of power-mad wackjobs wanting to be cops just so they can carry a gun and tell people what to do, and a certain percentage of them hides it well enough to get the job... [02:28] yea [02:28] yeah [02:28] they need to stop jailingi for weed [02:28] i dont smoke, will never smoke [02:28] i smoke. [02:28] but it's nothing. it's causing a lot of issues to jail people rather than to bother them [02:28] Cann0n: the difference is you're still in a warzone, but don't get the hazard pay [02:29] alisonken1lap: gotta love how money drives the earth... [02:29] :) [02:29] imagine how pissed everyone will be if 2012 is really the end of the world... [02:29] I wonder... if you could accurately take a vote of the entire US population, "should weed be legalized? yes or no"... wonder if the majority would vote to keep it illegal [02:30] no [02:30] UrchLap, because the majority of americans are absolute moron "christians" who think it's wrong but do it in their own privacy [02:30] tax payers pay feed prisoners [02:30] i said it before and i'll say it again, american christian's aren't christian to me. [02:30] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] I mean, most people I know would vote to legalize, but I don't know that many people in the grand scheme of things (plus, I'm a musician, I tend to be around some shady characters...) [02:31] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.48.27) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [02:31] y0 slackers...How's everyone? [02:31] hi [02:31] MLanden, good.. you? we're talking about you [02:31] MLanden: same as ever: it's 2:30AM and we're bored, and chattering on about irrelevant stuff [02:31] but yeah, i think there are so many flaws in today's society... [02:31] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.48.27) joined ##slackware. [02:31] i've heard that spending manoey on lawyers and shit is more profitable for the gov then legalisation [02:32] UrchLap, many of the people you know would also prefer universal health care? [02:32] duh winter [02:32] that's why the bullshit laws that are put into place only benefit lawyers [02:32] me?...neh..good to hear it's goin' good,jeev [02:32] s/gov/govs/ [02:32] go to a fast fod joint and look how many old people work there... [02:32] MLanden, no.. we just got done cussing you out [02:32] people that should be retired [02:32] alisonken1lap1 (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.48.27) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:32] jeev: I have no idea. Some of them probably would, but some of them are hardcore right-wing types (some of them are even over the line into "nutjob" territory) [02:32] alisonken1lap1 (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:33] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.211.140) joined ##slackware. [02:33] i've been in .be and .nl lately, no one died because of hash ;p [02:33] heh [02:33] why can't obama print 10 trillion bones and give it out to everyone? oh yeah... gold... shit. aluminium is 21 cents a lb here [02:33] 2 years about it was 85 [02:33] winter, nobody ever does. it's alcohol people die from [02:33] hear ya,UrchLap...Peter Tosh came to mind when you said the Legalize word..:D [02:33] Cann0n, obama has a tough road in front of him because of bush [02:33] he needs to call me up for advising [02:33] jeev: agreed 110% [02:34] i've heard about one state in the stats with will of legalisation.. wait [02:34] MLanden: well I really do think it's hypocritical for alcohol to be legal and pot illegal (and we already know, from Prohibition in the 1920s, that making alcohol illegal was a Bad Idea) [02:34] people crack on him because he is black. so what. he some steel balls. i'm shocked no one tried to kill him yet [02:34] alcohol is legal only because of excise tax and regular taxes [02:34] Cann0n, im shocked nobody has killed limbaugh or hannity. [02:34] well, fine, if pot were legal, it could be taxed too [02:34] i think if they die, the country and world would be better off [02:35] UrchLap, except....... it'd be imported more heavily [02:35] and they cant control that [02:35] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:35] would lead to cartel war on the borders with americans [02:35] less stoners in jail means less tax money to feed them [02:35] well connecticut, i've got one mate there [02:35] alisonken1lap1 (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] I always wonder about guys like limbaugh and hannity. If they really think they know everything, why aren't they running for president? [02:35] alphad64_ (n=quassel@41.189.48.27) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:35] true,UrchLap....taxed to the hilt like tobacco [02:35] alisonken1lap1 (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:35] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:35] UrchLap.. there's a reason why they have a job.. there's a guy for every overweight fat bitch [02:35] it's profitable, i sincerely believe they're not that stupid [02:36] UrchLap: because they probably don't want to. it's the highest stress job in the world [02:36] it pays the bills, hookers and prescription drugs. [02:36] look at bush and clinton. their hair changed to gray in months [02:36] Cann0n: but if they're the paragons of virtue they try to present themselves as, they'd be willing to make sacrifices to serve their country, no? [02:36] clinton's changed because he was with monica rather than a pretty girl [02:36] lol jeev [02:37] bleah, being married to hillary would make any man's hair turn grey [02:37] mornin [02:37] true,Cann0n...could ya imagine Limbaugh as president and some one pops a paper bag behind him...that ticker would go in a matter of seconds [02:37] CeruleanC (n=cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:37] UrchLap: well yeah, but i sure as hell wouldn't want to be president [02:37] MLanden: yeah LOL actually. [02:37] Cann0n, you would want to be Secretary-General [02:37] Cann0n: me either. But right now, all we get as presidents are people who are willing to lie and cheat and sacrifice any virtues they may have had, to get the job... [02:37] mornin',tewmten [02:38] we end up electing professional liars, and act shocked when we find out we've been lied to [02:38] witukind__ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-133.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [02:38] dchmelik: i'd like the guy who cleans the shitters in the white house. [02:38] i'd do anything to meet obama [02:38] apparently my really good friend's friend is one of his best friends [02:38] but i'd never get to talk to him [02:38] UrchLap: agreed. i think obama is a shady character, but it's possible his results will be great in the long run. [02:38] maybe we should just randomly pick people to be president (and make it easier to get rid of a sitting president, in case the random person turns out to be terrible at it) [02:39] his speech to the kids almost made me want to do homework... [02:39] hahahah Cann0n [02:39] lol [02:39] user51 (n=hr@117.200.57.231) joined ##slackware. [02:39] how do you figure he's shady [02:39] Nick change: alisonken1lap -> alisonken1 [02:39] morning [02:40] he's a politician, that meets my definition of "shady" [02:40] his family came over from africa [02:40] na [02:40] mornin', fatalnix [02:40] UrchLap: that too [02:40] Nick change: alisonken1 -> alisonken1lap [02:40] maybe he's kuru resistant. [02:40] i think he lied about more things than bush did to get the job, but i also know he really wanted it [02:40] winter: LMFAO! [02:41] reference jokes ftw [02:41] wow! that's a bold statement. [02:41] you could lie a billion times and it still wont outweigh a theft [02:41] i think he really want to do good though [02:41] he will do good, he just has to make some people happy [02:41] yeah true that [02:41] but he will pass health care if it kills hin [02:41] him, he jjust has the wrong people [02:41] hm. By that logic, if I'm applying for a job, and you're applying for the same job, and I kill you... I should get the job because I "really wanted it"? [02:42] i'd be better than carl rove [02:42] well, he want to do a good job. [02:42] maybe [02:42] since he isn't white, he will have to step his game up more to proove he can do it [02:42] or maybe he wants to convince everyone that he wants to do a good job [02:42] politicians are so good at lying and manipulation that it's impossible to judge [02:42] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-54.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:43] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-txblbxhgfaejjsvc) joined ##slackware. [02:43] UrchLap, he could end world hunger.. half the country still wont admit it [02:43] maybe he wants to bust ass for 4 years and retire with that large sum [02:43] you are right. [02:43] eh, how could anyone end world hunger? [02:43] you cant [02:43] rhetorical [02:43] by the time the planes get to were they are going, 50000 babies are born [02:43] by having a vegan crusade [02:43] :D [02:44] I suppose by first conquering the entire world, to make sure all the good distributors belong to you, so you can force them to send food to wherever... [02:44] i'm expecting a govt made pandemic to lower population one day [02:44] Cann0n, what do you think h1n1 is [02:44] the drug makers wont even use it on themselves [02:44] Cann0n: there are some who think that's exactly what AIDS was [02:44] it's not that deadly. my neighbor had it. saw the papers and everything [02:44] not the point [02:45] my mom always told me i caused AIDS [02:45] i smoked a joint with him while he was sick. [02:45] vaccinations and other shit like that [02:45] always carry diseases, tests on humans.. dont doubt it [02:45] it's done to prolong the country [02:45] nix_chix0r!!!! [02:45] for better or worse [02:45] lol nix_chix0r [02:45] Cann0n, hai sexeh! [02:45] i wrote a sci-fi on that [02:46] nix_chix0r: how ya been? how's the wee-one? [02:46] I remember the first time I heard some little kids saying such-and-such has AIDS (the way they used to say "cooties") [02:46] how do i unrar a file that has been split into .r1 .r2 .r3, etc ? (via command line) [02:46] that was a moment of surrealism for me [02:46] using unrar? [02:46] Reticenti: generally, "unrar e file.rar", and it'll be smart enough to look for the .r01 .r02 etc. [02:46] hell' a company wanted to put a pattend on SARS [02:47] look it up. [02:47] ah, ok [02:47] as long as there's a rar file with the header [02:47] UrchLap, there'll never be a happy america [02:47] i promise you that [02:47] Cann0n, i'm great feel better every day with the way i'm having awesome sleep and more energy to focus at work. mr oliver turns 6months on the 18th and boy is he a handful of awesome [02:47] big pharm will always be raking in money from people who think theyr'e depressed [02:48] cadaceus [02:48] meds fucked me up [02:48] should [02:48] nix_chix0r: 6 months? wow has itt been that long? Thats good. i need to sleep but i'm having social withdraws, hence the irc tonight... you single yet? :-P [02:48] meds make me function way better :) [02:48] true,jeev... a dog eat dog situation [02:48] hahaha [02:48] nix_chix0r, that's the worst thing i've ever heard [02:49] about what jeev [02:49] "Better Living Through Chemicals" (Tom Hanks in Bachelor Party) :) [02:49] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-dwmhcipswhqazqtj) joined ##slackware. [02:49] meds make you feel better [02:49] depends what's wrong with her, surely? [02:49] i should sue one or anothr doctor [02:49] if she's got a broken leg, pain pills would make her feel better, that wouldn't be a bad thing [02:49] till she gets addicted [02:50] well the overall affect is making me feel better yes. the ability to get actual rem sleep and not wake up even after an 11hr snooze fest feeing miserable. thus i have energy in the day. [02:50] i think the govts way to get people off drugs is shitty... like herion/crack/meth users are stuck in a paid-by-tax pharm circle [02:50] (of course she'd still need the bone set, a cast put on, all the actual broken-leg stuff fixed) [02:50] bet they're all together sucking their %^&* and licking theyr &%^**^$% all the time [02:50] but sooner or later,she's got to manage the pain [02:50] lol winter [02:50] didn't pain killers kill half the wrestlers from old school WWF [02:50] i knew plenty of people stuck on drugs, then sent to a methadone clinic to get hooked on that [02:50] Cann0n: I've seen that. "Hey, drugs are bad, stop doing all that smack! Oh, BTW, your doctor prescribed these meds for you..." [02:51] jeev: eh, IMO, the loss of fake wrestlers is no real loss at all [02:51] UrchLap: yeah. i've seen the lines. met the people. done the drugs. it's ALL a gimmic for more money [02:51] i never went to the hospital seeking pain killers unless i really needed to and there has been times like that. jeev i didn't have an epidural or any pain medication for when i pooped out that baby [02:51] but i'm tellin ya.. when you get a good night sleep...... [02:52] true.. but the point is it was all pain killers [02:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus [02:52] a good night sleep is important but [02:52] you'll always want that pill [02:52] addiction and needing them are different. addicts claim they need them, but they dont. [02:52] i'm only on two pills unless i take one for my headaches [02:52] celexa and trazadone [02:52] why do you have headaches [02:52] jeev: living as a pill addict is probably better than living as a raving delusional maniac due to lack of the ability to sleep [02:52] i get tension headaches sometimes [02:53] witukind_ (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-172.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:53] you know how many years of my youth doctors gave me antibiotics? [02:53] my best firend was hooked on meth for years. he finally freaked out and wanted off it so bad, he walked in a jail with meth and said "look me up, keep me away from this shit!!!" [02:53] some antibiotics wont work on me anymore [02:53] i would be sick once a month.. for years [02:53] is not celexa sort of like cocaine or amphetamine? [02:53] UrchLap, i don't like feeling manic and crazy especially when you can't tune things out [02:53] nix_chix0r: i give good back rubs... [02:53] jeev: yeah, but possibly without those antibiotics as a kid, you'd be dead now [02:53] until i realized after i got surgery inside my nose to breathe better after a basketball incident [02:53] s/look/lock [02:53] and i would stop getting sick [02:53] celexa is an anti depressent, trazadone is an anti crazy pill as well i spose [02:53] no doctor ever cheked to see that i had nasal drippage [02:54] and that was causing it. [02:54] i thought anti-depressants are basically strong stimulants [02:54] anti-depressants give you a chemical imbalance [02:54] side affects of the trazadone help me sleep and stay asleep as well as tune voices out and well a functioning person. [02:54] now I'm not really in favor of the way psychiatry works today (it's basically the doctors getting kickbacks from the pharma companies), but you can't deny modern medicine in general has some benefits [02:54] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [02:55] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [02:55] so if some dude with a degree on his wall things these will be good for me so be it:P [02:55] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-87-25.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:55] i knew a girl that took a hand full at her fathers funeral. it was truely a sad sight. she just didnt give a shit he died. she didn't really care for anything. she couldn't even hold a convo she was so out of it [02:55] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-128-67-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:55] things//thinks [02:55] that makes me mad [02:55] nix_chix0r, if i put my usc degree in something other than medicine and said keep my dick in your mouth for an hour a day.. and make me cum [02:55] and it'd make you feel better, would you ? [02:56] jeev, it's prescribed sure hohoho [02:56] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A375.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:56] i'm just sayin these work for me. and i don't feel like i'm a pill poppin addict [02:56] heh [02:56] jeev: if she's gullible she might do it once... but if it doesn't actually work, she'd stop [02:56] yea o [02:56] morning [02:56] not jonsin for my next fix or anything [02:56] ,yea i'm sure it works but it's wrong [02:56] i dont even take asprin... [02:56] Mornin' slackytude [02:56] that's not about medicaments in my case but doctors giving it to me without any reason [02:56] mail_ (n=chatzill@74.002.hdsl.mel.iprimus.net.au) left ##slackware. [02:56] UrchLap, like tha penn and teller thing.. they made weird noises on the right side of a dood [02:56] that fucked me up [02:56] i havent tooken a pill in about 5 months [02:56] winter, well yeah it shouldn't be tossed out to any one [02:56] and after, the guy said i felt a lot better on the right side of my body hahahahaha [02:57] it's serious buisness [02:57] what's serious business? [02:57] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:57] the internet you mean? [02:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSpPdp3_BQE [02:57] hahahahah [02:57] medications that fit in certain classes [02:57] hiya guys, is there a way, in the open window in openOffice, to have a preview of the file as well? [02:57] nix_chix0r: one scary thing about the kind of drugs they prescribe as antidepressants and antipsychotics though, they cause things like liver/kidney/etc damage with long-term use, just like the illegal kinds of drugs [02:57] watch that [02:58] Action: Cann0n lures nix_chix0r to the channel sofa with magic. [02:58] UrchLap, yeah right now i'm on a waitlist for therapy, and she is going to take me off those in a year [02:58] nix_chix0r: not telling you to go off the meds, but definitely make sure, when you get old, you get your organs looked at fairly regularly [02:58] come my dear... join me! [02:58] i do not wish to be on those things for long term [02:58] therapy... what kinda therapy? [02:58] The-Croupier: lik a thumbnail? [02:58] UrchLap, watch it [02:58] cabal thereapy [02:58] i found skateboarding a cure for many many things. [02:59] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [02:59] UrchLap, just to finally deal with some shit from two decades ago [02:59] MLanden: kind of ... something like: click open , have a list of files on the left, a small preview on the right [02:59] (genuine curiosity here: I and many others were told "therapy won't help, you'll be on this medication for the rest of your life, you'll relapse if you ever quit") [02:59] The-Croupier: Which DE are you using? [02:59] hahahahahah watch that video please [02:59] UrchLap: ive never been told that :p [02:59] UrchLap [02:59] skating cures depression, makes me tired, lose weight, get the right amount of sun (vitamin e?) and many others [02:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:59] UrchLap, my biological father used to use me as an ashtray among other things and i just recently bumped into him with a kid of my one and it started to stir up some unresolved issues [02:59] night terrors ect [03:00] oops. sorry. double post. >.< [03:00] The-Croupier: well you were never (mis)diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, probably [03:00] nix_chix0r: ouch [03:00] UrchLap: ohhh [03:00] nix_chix0r: but, see, when they decided I was crazy, they never even asked about any stuff like that [03:00] Cann0n: The sun helps your bodies production of Vitamin D [03:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:00] misdiagnosed?! [03:00] yeah i brought it up because it was bugging me [03:00] fire|bird: thankyou! i knew i was close. [03:00] fire|bird: !! [03:01] MLanden: does it matter? [03:01] Cann0n: yup, just one letter off. :) [03:01] nix_chix0r: the only questions the doctors had for me were things like "are your bowels moving?" and "are you still hearing voices?" [03:01] MLanden: xfce and fluxbox [03:01] check out these slides after the intro/ad http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/psycho-slab_30314/ [03:01] it's insane [03:01] fire|bird: skating really is a great cure for many things [03:01] as far as the voices go i do hear things. people talking to me but it's more like being in a crowded room with people bustling and talking around and to you and you cant shut it off [03:01] I never was, in fact, hearing nonexistent voice in the first place [03:01] since i gotten back into it, i've been healthier than ever [03:01] any sport is a cure for many things [03:01] yea [03:01] true. [03:01] but apparently something I said while under the influnce of not having slept for 7 days straight, made them think I'd said I was hearing voices [03:02] doctors like that are bowels [03:02] pr0n ->>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hermes_Ingenui_Pio-Clementino_Inv544.jpg [03:02] nix_chix0r: listen te music all the time. [03:02] UrchLap: after not sleeping for that many days...surely would make anyone hear voices [03:02] Cann0n: yeah, I bet. I use to have a skateboard, don't anymore. I still have rollerblades though, but if I were to start doing any of that again, it'd be bike or skateboard. [03:02] Cann0n, i try to listen to music during work. [03:02] dchmelik: the doctor also had nervous tics bad enough that another doctor should have noticed... [03:02] hey nix_chix0r [03:02] they don't tell me to like kill myself or anything [03:02] im on my 3rd day straight so far , without sleeping at all [03:02] you will find me with at least 2 of 3 things. ipod, skateboard, or laptop [03:02] Cann0n: or printer :p [03:03] or T-70 [03:03] hi fire|bird [03:03] or c4 [03:03] Urchlap: http://mindfreedom.org/ [03:03] fire|bird: look into longboards if you every want to get back into it. [03:03] The-Croupier: what actually happened I think was, I had this ringing in my ears, and I thought I was going deaf. The nurse asked "do you hear voices?" and I took that to mean "can you hear peoples' voices when they speak?", not "do you hear nonexistent voices talking to you" [03:04] Cann0n: cool, will do. [03:04] you know what i think mental health issues from the US grow from? [03:04] tv. [03:04] UrchLap: i see ;) ppl make mistakes ... otherwise they wouldnt be ppl [03:04] UrchLap, big mistake there [03:04] Cann0n: Sector 9 ? :) [03:04] y0 fire|bird [03:04] fire|bird: silverfishlongboarding.com save it in your bookmarks. it will be your link to many informative resources [03:04] people see too many things they can never have, they get depressed.. families fight with eachother, young girls want to be the whores from The Hills.. guys want to be [03:05] big mistake when they don't ask further questions [03:05] i dunno what show but on something [03:05] y0 slackytude [03:05] The-Croupier: otherwise there would be no ppl [03:05] everyone wants to be an american idol [03:05] fire|bird: S9 is like the windows me of longboarding [03:05] winter: damn right [03:05] Cann0n: hahaha [03:05] The-Croupier: yeah, but in that case it was hard to fix that mistake, because I went from "mentally out of it because of not sleeping for 7 days" to "mentally out of it from being pumped full of tranquilizers", so I never did have any period of time when I was in anything like my usual state of mind [03:05] most of them are trying to make us workaholic, and really concentrating on false things, like work..and others [03:06] Cann0n: I just googled and that was the first hit. They have a contest to win one. :P [03:06] fire|bird: :) i have a Sector 9 and a Loaded, but there are hundreds of companies and thousands of boards. [03:06] i got put on the lowest dosages and only needed to up it one time to make an adjustment but so far i feel i'm lucky and don't need to increase and it has been quite a while [03:06] fire|bird: yeah lol. need a helmet? http://www.theiantilmannfoundation.org/foundation.html [03:06] anyone uses OO [03:06] nix_chix0r: the stuff they gave me, was like an off switch for my frontal lobes [03:06] free helmets ftw [03:07] i think they should just hurry up in minnesota and start doing the damn "medical" marijuana [03:07] nix_chix0r: people who saw me then have described the way I was as "a zombie" [03:07] UrchLap, sounds goof [03:07] eh good [03:07] slackytude: trust me, you do not want to experience what I did [03:07] Cann0n: haha, noce. :P [03:07] nice [03:07] what'd they give you like wellbutrin or something i've heard bad things [03:07] The-Croupier: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/thunar-plugins/thunar-thumbnailers/ might be able to assist you [03:07] they gave him the stuff they knock out polar bears with [03:07] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521d82.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:08] slackytude: I wasn't high, or hallucinating, or enjoying anything... there was nobody there to do any enjoying [03:08] nix_chix0r: Haldol [03:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moomin <--- victims of atipsichotics [03:08] MLanden: thanks [03:08] dang [03:08] UrchLap, well, sounds peacful at least [03:08] MLanden: i was wondering some property inside the oo [03:08] fire|bird: yeah dude, i would have killed myself long ago if i haven't gotten back into skating [03:08] cos i have to configure that for fluxbox, xfce and windows if i find it [03:09] slackytude: if you had come up to me and said "you want to stab yourself in the heart?" I probably would have said "OK"... it was like having no will at all [03:09] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521d82.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [03:09] its open [03:09] UrchLap, see i look at medical stuff all day long because i have to review it for social security and prepare hearing files. and eh, any smart doctor would have started you on the easier shit [03:09] office [03:09] low dose and so fourth [03:09] OOo = OpenOffice.org [03:09] of course I probably would have failed to actually stab myself, not being coordinated enough to hold a knife at the time... [03:09] yeah [03:10] Cann0n: hahaha, http://tinyurl.com/mvk7vo [03:10] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] nix_chix0r: these assholes' attitude seemed to be "shoot first (with intravenous haldol) and ask questions later, and never mind if the answers are incoherent" [03:10] sure there might be a experimental script,The-Croupier in fluxbox's repository that might be able to produce the same results(perhaps when one hovers the mouse over the file) [03:10] Cann0n: I think that qualifies as a longboard, eh? :P [03:10] MLanden: i see..nothing in OOo itself then [03:11] nix_chix0r: while I was there, I actually saw an electroshock machine (I had thought those damn things were outlawed 20+ years ago) [03:11] hal maybe [03:11] hal is not open [03:11] the only way this can be done is via a script or wm configuration [03:11] wm/file manager [03:11] fire|bird: ye. looks like a longboardlarry [03:11] Urchlap: they do not want people ideating/thinking of something profound. [03:11] shock therapy is bollocks ECT ftl [03:11] not that I know,The-Croupier [03:12] fire|bird: longboarding including many different disciplines [03:12] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [03:13] like speedboarding, dancing, freeriding, carving (my thing), cruising, slalomn, and commuting [03:13] rofl Cann0n he's singing in the kitchen [03:13] unclear as to what [03:13] last month a dude hit 79.5 mph going down a hill [03:14] kinda sounds like a peewee hurman theme song [03:14] Cann0n: 79.5, holy crap [03:14] nix_chix0r: when are you going to let me give you an exotic nude back rub? [03:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:14] oh no, it is oss [03:14] my mistake [03:14] if you can pull in over 46k i'm down [03:14] i'm in school for business an. [03:14] UrchLap, you mean a therapeutic machine? [03:15] dchmelik: well I eventually decided I'd rather be crazy than continue to live as a semi-vegetable.. and it turns out I wasn't crazy at all (or anyway, not that kind of crazy. I'd be lying if I said I had no problems at all...) [03:15] man* [03:15] oh boy [03:15] http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01350/speedboarding_1350439c.jpg fire|bird [03:15] you /msg me when you're done Cann0n ;) [03:15] slackytude: eh, if it's "therapeutic" to destroy brain tissue by zapping it with electricity, then I guess so [03:15] nix_chix0r: really? [03:15] UrchLap, well, it used to be [03:15] Cann0n: wow [03:16] i must worn you, i require sexy 5 times a day... [03:16] UrchLap, thats pretty old school. was it in use? think that got banned some decades ago [03:16] slackytude: only a complete idiot would fry someone's brain until they were a vegetable and pronounce them "cured" [03:16] i need enough money from my sugar daddy to have a fast pipe and sexytimes [03:16] fire|bird: yeah, lol amazing stuff. sunday i had a spill at 35mph [03:16] Urchlap: a friend of mine suggested I watch the BBC video 'The Trap,' which explains some reasons psychiatrists and even much of society got into the habit of decreeing what is right and wrong for people to feel or think... they used to have computers diagnose people using questionnaires, which led to inventing names for diseases just based on measurable symptoms [03:17] my board is flexy and made for slow riding atd tight turns, not going down hills. i ate it. lol [03:17] slackytude: no, it was just sitting there (not in public view, this was when the regular elevator was out, so they took us thru a normally-locked door to the freight elevator) [03:17] UrchLap, keeping it preserved for when its legal again [03:17] they still trick people into signing their rights away to do electroshock on them [03:17] Cann0n: haha [03:17] nix_chix0r: i know how to rock a womans jollies pretty well. [03:17] it still is legal [03:17] oh boy! [03:18] slackytude: less than 10 years ago, a girl I know was zapped with one. Her parents had to sign a waiver (she was over 18 but had been declared incompetent) [03:18] dchmelik, I can hardly belive that. is lobotomizing legal as well? [03:18] probably, with consent [03:18] but it is not a favoured 'treatment' [03:18] fire|bird: if you get a chance, check out Loaded Boards on youtube and look for guys named Adam. [03:18] ah, great [03:18] i gonna hit the hay. i'm tired. [03:18] gn Cann0n [03:19] Cann0n: ok, will do. [03:19] Thanks for the info [03:19] later UrchLap, fire|bird slackytude, nix_chix0r and jeev [03:19] ttyl [03:19] slackytude: I saw her after that, she was unable to speak coherently and drooled on herself (before, I admit, she was insane by most peoples' definitions, but she was a person, not a plant) [03:19] later Cann0n [03:19] night everyone else! [03:19] adios Cann0n [03:19] slackytude: antipsychotics basically lobotomize by degenerating certain nerves anyway, so no doctor would bother to do it the old way [03:19] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:19] UrchLap, ever read Zen or the Art of motorcycle maintance? [03:19] slackytude: yes [03:20] actually need to find my copy of that, promised to loan it to somebody [03:20] great book, anyway [03:21] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:21] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [03:22] when I got put on antidepresiva, it numbed me down as well. [03:22] altho I kinda liked that, no need to think or worry [03:23] sounds awesome [03:23] you can't live without being able to think or worry [03:23] Action: slackytude shrugs [03:23] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.211.140) left irc: Client Quit [03:24] I didnt spend long on it. It kinda freaked me out. also, I didnt want to be dependant on something [03:24] for schizophrenia, the treatment seems to be that the person can't think crazy thoughts if you give them drugs that stop them from being able to think at all [03:24] or rather dependant on some chemicals. Id rather smoke [03:24] THC is a chemical too... but I get your point [03:25] slackytude: amen [03:25] I was more talking about nicotine. THC is nice but I can get freaky on that as well [03:25] slackytude: nicotine is worse [03:25] personally I can't stand the effect THC has on me [03:25] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427511.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:25] The-Croupier, well, dont smoke it then [03:26] out-of-bodyish,UrchLap? [03:26] slackytude: i do smoke it some times [03:26] doubt I'll ever get tempted to smoke weed again, it's just not fun (it makes me paranoid and stupid at the same time, which is a terrible combination) [03:26] UrchLap: like most things [03:26] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [03:26] those are the effects [03:26] MLanden: nah, I used to get that from LSD, I liked it fine, but the older I get, the worse the side effects get, so I quit dropping acid 10+ years ago [03:27] snearch (n=olaf@188.46.220.11) joined ##slackware. [03:27] eh, most of the time, when I smoke weed, it feels good. but before that I get paranoid. First half hour to hour is not fun at all, afterwards is pretty cool. sometimes thats worth it, sometimes its not [03:28] antiwire: did you get that job about pentesting? [03:28] slackwared: No, I got the telcom job. [03:28] ok,UrchLap [03:28] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [03:28] The-Croupier: if I were high, and you offered me a drink or something to eat... I'd probably think you were trying to poison me. Even if we had known each other for years [03:28] bleh holding your throwup till you reach the toilet is no good [03:28] nix_chix0r: ew. [03:28] nix_chix0r: it beats cleaning barf out of the carpet though [03:28] nix_chix0r, better than throwing up on the rug in the living room [03:29] that is true so thankfully i made it [03:29] you mean you guys don't put newspaper down all over? [03:29] that rug really ties the place together [03:29] nice pabx and all that [03:29] nix_chix0r: why are you vomiting anyway? I thought you were done with being pregnant for a while... [03:29] i'm getting a cold. and sometimes i cough so much i throw up [03:29] -1, Dated Lebowski reference [03:29] ;P [03:29] godling, bah [03:29] -1 godling showed up [03:29] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-dwmhcipswhqazqtj) left irc: "Page closed" [03:29] no wonder i'm losing more weight, i keep puking haha [03:30] all my lean meals are comming back up [03:30] slackytude: :) [03:30] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-175-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:30] antiwire: mommy? [03:31] speakin of Lebowski... I really wish I had a white russian (or at least, some vodka). Need to go to sleep so I can get up tomorrow, nowhere near tired :( [03:31] slackboy, bowl indusced cough plus cold=no good but again almost worth it [03:31] tab completion fail. :) [03:31] whoops [03:31] slackytude, ^ [03:31] time to head to the other office [03:31] yeah that's it, smoking weed with a cold is going ot help [03:31] hah [03:31] nix_chix0r, ^-^ [03:32] depends [03:32] it's scary getting sick at this time of year [03:32] high tempratur is usually a trip in itself [03:32] especially with the h1n1 scare [03:32] smoking anything isn't going to help a cold go away [03:32] i agree [03:32] Action: godling agrees with antiwire [03:32] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.233) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:33] doesn't mean i will stop doing it [03:33] because i'm an addict [03:33] o_O [03:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.96) joined ##slackware. [03:33] i am addict to weed [03:33] weed is non-addictive [03:33] bullshit [03:33] I mean you can get addicted to smoking weed, the way you can get addicted to watching TV or playing WoW [03:33] wow is awesome [03:34] well, you can [03:34] I know plenty of people who are addicted to weed. [03:34] ack [03:34] addicted to cannabis [03:34] I know plenty of people who are addicted to TV or WOW [03:34] but it isn't chemically addictive like heroin, you don't have life-threatening withdrawal symptoms when you quit [03:34] anything that offers euphoria can give psychological addiction [03:34] I think the idea here stems from the ambiguity of the term addicted. [03:35] i need to cut down my cannabis consumption [03:35] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:35] nah, everybody is just bored and we need something to talk about [03:35] tewmten, it's true, [03:35] slackytude: sure, but that doesn't make TV or WoW addictive in & of itself. People with meaningless, empty lives, and/or a touch of OCD, can get addicted to anything [03:35] last night i got stoned like a monkey and went to sleep, g/f managed to lock herself out and couldnt wake me up until 5 o'clock in the morning [03:35] tewmten: ouch [03:35] she was fucking furious [03:35] tewmten: time to sleep on that couch! [03:35] UrchLap, agreed. [03:35] tewmten, hehe [03:36] tewmten, that sounds like trouble [03:36] I heard the phrase "sex addiction" on somebody's TV the other day [03:36] that's almost like saying you have an "oxygen addiction" [03:36] I wonder if they've got clinics for that. [03:36] :D [03:36] heh [03:37] it's a whole new aspect of Betty Ford we've never seen [03:37] cha cha cha [03:37] oxygen is a brutal drug. its withdrawal symptoms are often lethal [03:37] yeah fucking hell, i forgot my phone on silent [03:37] slackboy, ahaha [03:37] I do that all the time, tewmten [03:37] nix_chix0r: you fail again. :P [03:37] i guessoisragjli [03:37] nix_chix0r, your tab doesnt like you today [03:37] rohhhhh bother [03:38] but on the other hand, i told her i was going to sleep and asked if she had the keys and she nodded and said "ok" and everything [03:38] slackytude: dihydrogen oxide is deadly: even a tiny inhaled dose of it can kill within minutes [03:38] mmm Tab [03:38] tewmten: are you sleeping outside now? :P [03:38] tewmten, that isnt going to save you [03:38] well now i know who ate my tab [03:38] fire|bird: nah.. [03:38] slackytude: no [03:38] tewmten: :P [03:38] Tab?? someone in here is actually talking about that nasty old diet cola-like stuff from the 70s? [03:38] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] slackytude: because womens minds doesnt work on logic and sense, it works on fucking emotions and menstruation cycles [03:38] nix_chix0r: http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/presscenter/img/image120/lg_tab.jpg [03:39] bah [03:39] nix_chix0r: You're gonna blame the little one? :P [03:39] UrchLap: nasty? [03:39] sure [03:39] UrchLap: is not! [03:39] tewmten, really? that explains a lot [03:39] nasty is right,UrchLap [03:39] its bloody annoying tho :p [03:39] i think it's been a good ten minutes from the pukage i could try smoking again this time slower [03:39] godling: that shit tastes worse than cough syrup. Hell, I'd rather drink straight tequila with no chaser, if you're just comparing the flavors. [03:39] http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Instructs+Best+Buy+Employees+on+How+to+Trash+Linux/article16195.htm [03:39] give me contact buzz! [03:40] UrchLap: I'd rather drink Tab than tequila. :) [03:40] that's fecking sick [03:40] tequila is good [03:40] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:40] what is better: jolt or surge? [03:40] I don't like tequila at all. [03:40] " slackytude " what do you think [03:40] tewmten: that reminds me of Jeff Dunham (ventriloquist) and Walter talking about his wife "She jumped on her menstrual cycle and ran my ass over" :P [03:40] I prefer whisky when I drink. [03:40] slackytude: the buzz you get from it, is good. The flavor is disgusting... [03:40] fire|bird: ha! [03:41] identify: error while loading shared libraries: libIlmImf.so.6: [03:41] whisky has (or anyone can have) a good flavor [03:41] ah. as long as the human race lives, I suspect men will bitch about women's menstrual cycles. [03:41] nix_chix0r, its your call. but smoking on an empty stomach isnt usually wise [03:41] fire|bird: yeah damnit i woke up and had like 35 missed calls and a few sms' [03:41] lol,mancha [03:41] i think im going to sue a few creditors and banks [03:41] UrchLap, well, true enough, but I have fond memories of tequila [03:41] but tab is just damn nasty, I can't see how anyone can stand to drink that, especially considering it doesn't even give you a buzz or anything [03:41] slackytude, i chuged a glass or two of cranberry juice [03:41] seems to be going ok [03:41] jeev: good luck with that :) [03:41] tewmten: hahaha [03:41] no coughing yet [03:41] fire|bird: and first i didnt understand why she was calling me, until i noticed she wasnt at home and she was complaining like "now i have to sleep on the street, i hope you're happy" [03:42] lol [03:42] user51 (n=hr@117.200.57.231) left irc: "Leaving" [03:42] tewmten, boy, are you gonna get down for that [03:42] godling, i have a great case [03:42] fire|bird: which is kinda funny in a twisted way, because i had to sleep on the street outside her house once because she wasn't showing up [03:42] hahahaha [03:42] alkos, some vid processing stuff? [03:42] what goes around comes around. :P [03:42] yes [03:42] slackytude: I just started being able to drink tequila again this year, 10 years after almost killing myself trying to out-drink somebody [03:42] UrchLap: I actually found Tab in the supermarket not too long ago. [03:43] slackytude, i feel almost like the commercial where the kid takes one hit off a joint and shoots his brains out :O [03:43] ML, the ridiculous part is getting a big red incorrect if you answer true to is linux safe than windows [03:43] nix_chix0r, dunno that one [03:43] godling: yeah, they still make it. My mother's addicted to it, sometimes I think she single-handedly keeps the brand alive [03:43] UrchLap: I didn't know it was still sold. [03:43] haha [03:43] ah well [03:43] UrchLap, there are worse ways to go then by attempting to out-drink somone [03:43] I just don't get the point of diet colas in general [03:43] slackytude, what about the old one with the egg and frying pan [03:43] lol,Mancha [03:44] UrchLap: You know, the primary demographic's got to be women like our mothers. [03:44] slackytude: heh, and I won, too :) [03:44] I recently read something about diet sodas not functioning how they should. [03:44] nix_chix0r, you know, I live in germany. Im not really winning prizes if the topic is american commercials [03:44] UrchLap, heh, nice [03:44] nix_chix0r, is that some commercial where Reagan is the actor? [03:44] slackytude: I was still able to walk (unsteadily, not in a straight line) and the other guy was lying in a puddle of his own puke, telling me I can have all his stuff after he finishes dying [03:45] I get the point of Pepsi Max. [03:45] Action: quasar yawns [03:45] godling: well, the "function" of a cola is to taste good and give you a bit of a sugar/caffeine boost [03:45] diet sodas do not taste good, and they contain no sugar, and most are decaffeinated too [03:46] the good ones are not [03:46] like Pepsi Max [03:46] :D [03:46] they're basically just dirty water [03:46] *not decaffienated [03:46] i don't know i'm just trying to explain how weed is amped up on anti drug commercials [03:46] identify: error while loading shared libraries: libIlmImf.so.6. Any ideas as to which packages I'm missing folks? [03:46] true,Urchlap...as well as use as much of the cola extract as possible while keepin' it below it's carcinogenic properties [03:46] alkos it seems exr libs [03:47] alkos333: openexr [03:47] UrchLap: Ok, how did you figure? [03:47] Diet Pepsi Max has got 5.75 mg of caffiene per fluid ounce. [03:47] :D [03:47] caffeine [03:47] $ grep libIlmImf.so /var/adm/packages/* [03:47] /var/adm/packages/openexr-1.6.1-i486-1:usr/lib/libIlmImf.so.6.0.0 [03:47] I did a full install on this box (except for the kdei packages) [03:47] UrchLap: I agree with your general premise that diet colas suck, though. [03:48] UrchLap, good loser then [03:48] UrchLap: Right, the problem is when you don't do a full install :) [03:48] UrchLap: Thank you so much though! [03:48] I had my first one night stand with the help of tequila ^-^ [03:48] well, decades ago, by now [03:49] godling: another thing I can't figure out is putting fake sugar in coffee... none of the sugar substitutes I've ever tried have tasted even close to good to me, I'd rather drink coffee black [03:49] nix_chix0r: the media sensationalizes stuff, including public service announcements [03:49] (usually I drink it with some cream & sugar, but not much) [03:49] for sure, UrchLap [03:49] Splenda? [03:49] get real [03:49] i like coke zero and sprite zero [03:49] bah, cant stand the zero stuff [03:49] I tried a 7-up with Splenda in it and my head almost exploded. [03:49] alkos333: I did the full install cause I was feeling too lazy to pick & choose and deal with dependencies :) [03:50] Cyberdyne is real now. [03:50] UrchLap: I hear ya :0 [03:50] slackboy, if i could drink coke with out corn syrup i would [03:50] nix_chix0r: Coke Zero was surprisingly tasty. [03:50] coffee with honey is good, if you want sweet and no white sugar [03:50] nix_chix0r, sigh [03:50] but kdei is just a waste of space for me, I only know how to read one language, and I don't even run kde (though I do have it installed) [03:50] hard to find in the u.s but coke zero yeah i wouldn't have thought [03:50] UrchLap: That's why I leave Slack upgrades for a productive day :P [03:50] I drink water and beer now. [03:50] Action: fire|bird steals nix_chix0r's tab keys, she can't use them anyway. [03:50] slackytude: yeah, coffee w/honey is maybe better than with sugar even [03:50] hehe [03:50] I can find Coke with real sugar on my school campus. [03:50] mexican coke in the glass bottles from cub foods is nice to get once in a while [03:50] it's more expensive than the other stuff, though. [03:51] slackytude: pancake syrup in coffee, however, just makes a disgusting mess (it looks like honey kind of, but ugggh) [03:51] Cub Foods? Where is that at? [03:51] ew [03:51] UrchLap: I tried that once. :/ [03:51] but after running on a treadmill to find you only burned 3 cans of coke worth in calories yeahh horrible coke zero all the way now [03:51] UrchLap, its great. I dont like my coffee sweet usually, but once in a while I like honey in it [03:51] i tried drinking the reg stuff and it just tasted syrupy and bitter [03:51] UrchLap: Maple and coffee are not two tastes that mix well. [03:51] godling: cubfoods.com :) [03:51] UrchLap, eh, that even sounds wrong [03:51] nix_chix0r: you should try to find some kosher coca-cola (they sell it starting a couple weeks before passover, whenever that is) [03:52] godling, it's a chain of food stores in minnesota and a few other places maybe [03:52] kosher cola? [03:52] wtf is not kosher in regular cola? [03:52] is there pig meat in cola? [03:52] corn syrup [03:52] I'm pretty sure the kosher coke is exactly the same as the original formula coke (before the "new coke/coke classic" fiasco) [03:52] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] the corn might have pig genes in it or something [03:52] Well, later guys, and girl. Take care. :) [03:52] fire|bird: thank you Mr. Obvious. :) [03:52] apparently we don't have Cub Foods in California. [03:52] see ya fidesratio [03:52] see ya fire|bird [03:53] you're welcome Mr. Clueless [03:53] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] see ya slackytude [03:53] o/ [03:53] slackytude: apparently the old testament says "Thou shalt not eat high fructose corn syrup"? I dunno, it's not my religion, but kosher coke tastes better than regular, to me [03:53] later UrchLap [03:53] nini fire|bird [03:53] see ya MLanden nix_chix0r [03:53] fire|bird: I'm not clueless, just lazy. :P [03:53] haha [03:53] gute nacht, fbird [03:53] see ya,fire|bird [03:53] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [03:53] dammit, I don't have my fire|bird nick generator script on this laptop [03:54] apparently Albertsons is a member of the SUPERVALU family, though. [03:54] it's cool when you get the shivers randomly [03:54] you wrote a script for that? [03:54] :D [03:54] no, nix_chix0r [03:54] it does have the certain bite,UrchLap (Kosher Coca-Cola) [03:54] that could be a sign of heat exhaustion [03:54] slackytude: yeah, I got tired of typing the long command line whenever I want to make fun of his nick [03:54] dehydration [03:54] nix_chix0r, you got Captn Tripper or what? [03:54] +1 Stephen King reference [03:54] ha [03:54] i'm defineatly not over heated it's not that warm here [03:55] we never really had summer [03:55] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:55] do you have a fever? [03:55] i'm not sure i did throw up so i may be getting a bug. so i'm chuggin cranberry since i'm out of orange [03:56] well, there's a little pandemic thing going around so be wary :P [03:56] only thermometer i have was shoved up my sons ass and i don't feel like going after it [03:56] MLanden: actually, the girl I knew who first told me about kosher coca-cola, she converted (from judaism to some flavor of christian). I wonder if she still drinks the stuff? [03:56] if it taste good,prollu UrchLap [03:57] nix_chix0r: you mean... it's still up his ass, and you don't feel like rooting around for it?! [03:57] s/prollu/prolly [03:57] UrchLap: ew. [03:57] i really like the kosher grape juice i see occasionally [03:57] "Cyberdyne has started renting their exoskeleton body suits in Japan. The mind-controlled wearable machine increases strength and endurance, and rents for $2,300 a month. [03:57] hella exensive though [03:57] UrchLap, yeah i'm a lazy parent [03:57] have you guys seen the best buy training shit for windows 7, its ridiculous. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-teaches-best-buy-employees-how-to-troll-linux-users.ars [03:57] (I know that's not what you really meant, but that's what it sounds like. I'm really & truly having an attack of the giggles now...) [03:58] does it show them how to get a bsod with smb2? [03:58] and sometimes wont really see him for days and he's all got drag queen nails and is a little crusty [03:59] slackwared (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:59] yeah just seen it earlier,lolwut...it's really is a load [03:59] MLanden: I dunno. She ditched all her friends, gave away most of her paintings and threw away the rest, quit playing all the songs she wrote, and generally acted like she'd joined a cult... [03:59] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:59] mlanden, seriously...damn [03:59] nix_chix0r: awww. those are the loving kind of childhood memories that stay with us [03:59] seriously, she was passionately dedicated to her art, and suddenly she decides to get rid of it all, that's kinda weird to me... [04:00] UrchLap, when she did what? [04:00] UrchLap: she change her name to Jane? [04:00] UrchLap: artists are impulsive [04:00] godling, :) [04:00] slackytude: when she joined whatever born-again christian church she's in now [04:00] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:00] UrchLap: Most of the artists I've met are also bipolar. :P [04:00] gooba gobba..ONE OF US...gooba gobba.....:D [04:00] UrchLap, oh, though she was leaving her boyfriend or something [04:01] ugh, born again? [04:01] slackytude: well, she did that too [04:01] I hate those people. [04:01] sorry, don't mean to be polarizing in the channel or anything [04:01] godling: I miss her, at least her original personality [04:01] a bad case of religion then. you can get that if you arent carefull [04:01] yes [04:01] I'm glad I got over it a long time ago. :D [04:02] she spent about 6-8 months preaching at me non-stop, and I put up with it because (a) we're friends, and (b) I'm actually interested in hearing about peoples' beliefs, even if I don't believe them myself [04:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:02] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] UrchLap: things like that inevitably tend to get old, though. :/ [04:03] did she blow a headgasket when you challenge ( in kind debate) what she was saying,urchlap? [04:03] but literally every word out of her mouth was designed to "save my soul", and it got old. At one point I referred to her "religion" and she said "I don't have a religion! I have The Truth(tm)!" [04:03] (I could hear the capital letters and (tm) in her tone of voice, I swear it) [04:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [04:03] is that when she asked you to buy Amway? [04:04] MLanden: not really.. I mean she never really lost her temper [04:04] people who search for truth are usually better company than those who think to have found it [04:04] was it like a blank expression,UrchLap? [04:04] good one,godling [04:05] not really a blank expression [04:05] I'm using Arch Linux right now, and I am going to convert this machine to Slackware (which might be painful since I'm using LUKS). [04:06] slackytude: what about people who've realized that they're too stupid to know the truth? [04:06] Bob will be pleased,godling....u------:D [04:06] godling, those dont exist [04:06] godling: if it'd been the Cult of Amway, I'd have no problem either pointing out the flaws in her beliefs until she started to question them, or else saying "oh, if she's dumb enough to fall for that, I guess she's too dumb to be my friend" [04:07] slackytude: oh right, everybody thinks they know everything. [04:07] godling: but I don't really like to attack peoples' actual religious beliefs, even if I think they silly or even outright wrong [04:07] Grinch (n=Gr1nch@74-42-112-24.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:07] UrchLap: I think it's pointless, myself. [04:07] UrchLap: You can't argue a person out of a belief. [04:07] right, you just end up arguing in circles [04:07] at least, I can't [04:08] I dunno, I might be able to (if I really tried hard) argue a person from one belief to a slightly different one (say, convert a protestant to a different sect of protestantism) [04:08] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:08] I used to be a follower of the John Frum society [04:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum [04:09] oh wow [04:09] I was totally just reading about Vanuatu two days ago, slackytude [04:09] but I never would: I think trying to force peoples belief in anything, is the mental equivalent of assault and battery [04:09] slackytude: do you think it's a sign?? [04:10] godling, nah [04:10] damnit [04:10] but its a great story [04:10] slackytude: thank you for that link! [04:11] Bislama is a cooky language. [04:11] UrchLap, its a really interesting story [04:11] UrchLap, if there is a god, he has a sense of humor [04:11] there isn't, though [04:11] :) [04:12] what I really liked about those guys on Vanuatau was the fact that they managed to somehow burn and throw away their money [04:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [04:12] well, not the money, rather their monetarian system [04:12] slackytude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation_Burn_a_Million_Quid [04:13] oh [04:13] is that like a monetary system? ;P [04:13] almost ^-^ [04:14] I accused a cow-orker of being a "cargo cult programmer" once, then I had to spend like 3 days trying to explain to him what a cargo cult is, and why it's a bad thing [04:14] lol [04:14] UrchLap: at that point I don't think the pay-off is worth the time spent explaining. [04:14] godling: I was willing to leave it unexplained, but he was persistent [04:16] did it make any headway,UrchLap? [04:16] this guy once wanted to know "how do you upgrade openssh on the servers?", so I did it (involved compiling it), and copy/pasted the commands into an email to him [04:16] man, its 10:18 and I didnt do anything but chat [04:16] UrchLap: what's a cargo cult? [04:16] what am I getting paid for again? [04:16] so next time it needed doing, he was gonna do it, following my directions [04:16] after a while he calls me over and goes "I don't think this is working, can you take a look?" [04:17] slackytude: just sit there and look industrious [04:17] I wonder why I come here every morning. I could chat from home as well [04:18] his terminal looks something like: tar xvfz openssh-1.2.3.tar.gz | tar: no such file or directory | cd openssh-1.2.3 | cd: no such file or directory | ./configure | bash: ./configure: no such file or directory (etc etc) [04:18] so he didn't download the tarball? [04:18] he did [04:18] but he was copy/pasting the commands from last time, when I upgraded *to* 1.2.3 [04:18] but the z after the f caused tar to fail? [04:18] (the new one would be 1.2.4 or whatever) [04:19] snearch (n=olaf@188.46.220.11) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [04:19] alisonken1noc, bah! [04:19] hah [04:19] hah [04:19] he had no idea what was wrong [04:19] alisonken1noc, tar xvfz is correct [04:19] the cargoer becomes the cargoee [04:19] altho a bit too verbose [04:19] slackytude: you would think - but I've seen it fail if f was not the last option before file spec [04:19] and he kept typing the commands, even after getting an error after each command [04:20] My fingers pretty much automatically type zxvf now [04:20] and no, he wasn't copy/pasting, he was typing them one at a time (looking at a printout) [04:20] alisonken1noc, true enough, there are more tar version around than I care to count [04:20] slackytude: :) [04:20] UrchLap, ye gods [04:20] Grinch (n=Gr1nch@74-42-112-24.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:20] UrchLap, that was a programmer? [04:21] slackytude: on paper, anyway [04:21] UrchLap: did he happen to be a VB coder? [04:21] heh [04:21] actually his job title was something like "System Architect" [04:21] how do you program a piece of paper? [04:21] oh that explains it [04:21] Emanon (n=Emanon@c-67-183-42-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:21] ah - similar to "consultant" in that he didn't get his hands dirty before :) [04:21] alisonken1noc: no, he claimed to be an "old COBOL guy", we were a Java shop and he was supposedly learning Java [04:22] godling: fold it this way then fold it back...look a little duck.....**SMASH** [04:22] after 5+ years, he was still useless [04:22] System Architects never bother with code, they are far to high level, designing the arcticture [04:22] with fancy diagramms [04:22] old cobol guy and not paying attention to error outputs? duh! [04:22] it was clear to me that he lacked any inkling of any of the fundamental concepts in programming, in any language [04:22] cobol? [04:22] isn't that a kindy of cheese? [04:22] godling: good one. [04:23] and didn't seem to be able to grasp them, no matter how detailed the explanation or how much time was spent trying to teach him [04:23] godling: serious? [04:23] alisonken1noc: don't forget to tip the waitress. [04:23] alisonken1noc: I try not to be serious if I can help it. :) [04:23] godling: actually COBOL is the semi-mythical planet humans originally came from, in the Battlestar Galactica universe :) [04:23] godling: only if her name is "Rosie" and she shows me her rose tatoo :) [04:24] UrchLap: I think that's Kobol. :) [04:24] anyway, the thing that sucked was, this guy made twice what I did, and was actually a nice guy, if you knew him, you couldn't help but be friends with him [04:24] godling: Klose enough! [04:24] UrchLap: Thanks for letting me feel like the kid from Galaxy Quest. [04:24] :P [04:25] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [04:25] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:25] what's a kouple of konsonants, between kompadres? [04:25] Action: slackytude smoke break -> [04:25] oh, krap, now I'm sounding like a member of the KDE fan klub [04:26] well kde DOES rock [04:26] sometimes [04:26] when its not busy crashing hehe [04:26] krashing [04:26] at least its not gnome [04:26] Emanon: That's the best tagline ever. [04:26] UrchLap: hey hey hey kids [04:26] or it would be [04:26] kbloat [04:26] like that one god? [04:26] "At least it's not GNOME." [04:26] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-175-128.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [04:26] yea [04:26] I think KDE4, they've moved away from knaming keverything so it kstarts kwith a K [04:27] but the new names don't make so much sense to me [04:27] anyone familiar enough with encrypted lvms to give me some tips on it [04:27] I mean, "kpdfview" might be a mouthful to pronounce, but it succinctly describes what the program does [04:27] every time i try to set one up on a slack system i cant get the initrd configged right or something [04:28] "okulus" or whatever the new one's called, is just a random combination of syllables that has no meaning [04:28] okulus is a real word [04:28] just spelled oculus [04:28] it means a lens [04:28] a real word *in ancient Greek* though [04:28] and ocular still means having to do with sight [04:29] ok, it means a lens. How does that help me remember that it's a PDF viewer? [04:29] what is your system's gigaflops? [04:29] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:29] (you view things through a lens?) [04:29] its a VIEWER [04:29] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] UrchLap: because it does more than pdf's? [04:29] i kinda thought it was funny the new kde hex editor was oktet [04:29] eh, but it's a PDF viewer, not a JPEG or HTML or whatever viewer [04:30] heh [04:30] as in out of a group of 8 [04:30] you said tet [04:30] oh, it doesn't just do PDFs any more? [04:30] and okular does more than just pdf [04:30] that was my impression - but it's been a while [04:30] still think it's a goofy name [04:30] right now, have to rework my laptop so it has >1M swap partition [04:30] Emanon: http://slackblogs.blogspot.com/2009/08/slackware-130-with-lvm-and-luks.html [04:30] is it supposed to be a generic viewer for all file types? [04:31] okular does more than pdfs, #1, and they all voted against pdfviewer_variant_five_non-gnome-libs as their name in the last board meeting [04:31] hah [04:31] your an e-saint godling [04:31] they have a board? [04:31] (can it do jpegs? can it render HTML, SGML, etc?) [04:31] mancha: why not "docviewer" if it's meant to be a document viewer? [04:31] i was about to buy an apple computer till i learned it didn't keep the doctor away [04:32] I thought the KDE people just decided things based on who was kicking more ass in UO. [04:32] I might have read that somewhere. [04:32] mancha: heh. You know what the apple-with-a-bite-missing logo actually represents? [04:32] Urch, i don't know, i have no objections to the filenames [04:32] or dokviewer [04:32] UrchLap: Snow White's poisoned apple? [04:32] it was a statement by yoko ono [04:32] Emanon: sure, with a K, so we know it's part of KDE, that would have been even better [04:33] godling: well, sort-of. Know how Alan Turing died? [04:33] remember lennon founded apple [04:33] yes [04:33] he was murdered by the British Government [04:33] :) [04:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:33] he was driven to suicide, which took the form of injecting an apple with cyanide, then eating a bite of it [04:33] yes, I know UrchLap [04:34] and yeah, "murdered by the british government" is also accurate [04:34] either lenon or yoko was considering an apple as a piece of art and the other took a bite out of it as a statement that even if you choose to view it and in fact treat it as art dont forget its actual purpose [04:34] funky suicide [04:34] thats why they chose apple for their company name [04:34] and that apple symbol in particular for the symbol [04:34] Emanon: I refuse to believe yoko ono could speak in sentences that complex, so it must have been lennon [04:34] least thats what i was told [04:34] anyways, there are many odcumenta viewers Urch, what does your naming convention suggest? docviewer1, docviewer2, docviewer3...? [04:34] probably cause i think yoko was the one that painted anyways [04:34] oahong` (n=user@61.152.248.20) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Emanon: eh, who told you Apple Computers was founded by a Beatle though? Pretty sure neither Steve (Jobs or Wozniak) was in the Beatles... [04:35] sorry not founded purchased i misspoke [04:35] s/pretty sure/infinitely sure/g [04:35] mancha: the KDE team doesn't need to come up with names for everyone's document viewers, just their own [04:35] just like Michael jackson purchased all the beatles songs hehe [04:36] wonder who ones the copyright to em now that hes a dead pedo [04:36] Emanon: I heard he sold the rights not long after, because he couldn't make money on them (no idea why not though) [04:36] doesn't the same argument apply regardless of who codes it though? [04:36] whoever inherits the majority stock? dunno [04:36] i thought your objection was okular meant nothing to you [04:37] mancha: right. And "dokviewer" would be a name that describes the function, includes the letter K, and is pretty easy to remember [04:37] and anyone got any clues how to use grub with that encrypted lvm setup instead of lilo? [04:37] you're way to bored if you're wasting energy on this kind of stuff [04:37] like how does grub define an encrypted virtual partition on a raid array [04:38] mancha: well of course I'm bored, it's 4:30AM and I'm sitting here with insomnia [04:38] well this stuff is easy to do on kubuntu but ubuntu sucks so hehe [04:38] I don't think there was conclusive evidence to suggest that Michael Jackson was a pedophile. [04:38] no there wasnt evidence to suggest he was a child molester [04:38] (not really insomnia: slept until 2PM, so still being up at 4:30AM is only to be expected, but if I could sleep right now I would) [04:38] there was plenty to suggest he was a pedophlie [04:38] godling, which would mean that we can neither prove he was one or that he wasn't one [04:38] err phile* [04:39] but the situations were rather disturbing to say the least [04:39] I agree, TwinReverb. [04:39] Peter File [04:39] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:39] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [04:39] its easy to push your internal clock forward, not ever as easy to push it back :( [04:39] also a pet-o-phile (what else do you call a guy who has a pet giraffe?) [04:39] Urchlap: oh yeah? i slept until almost 4pm [04:39] TwinReverb: A psychologist who examined him said that Michael Jackson was like a regressed ten year old boy. [04:39] sometimes you need to keep pushing till you make a ful loop [04:39] remember not all pedophiles actually molest or even go after their target [04:39] it just defines the attraction not the action they take based on it [04:40] That makes sense. A little boy might buy a theme park to live in and bring children and giraffes and monkeys to it. [04:40] hehe [04:40] yah [04:40] I watched this movie and there were two actory from IT Crowd and the red-haired guy from Flight of Conchords in it [04:40] i heard a new remastering of beatles songs is gonna release soon [04:41] or show up to court in your pj's? [04:41] and it sorta relates to what I said about hitler earlier (he also had a little kid's personality & worldview, only in his case he was a much nastier kid) [04:41] you're comparing Hitler and MJ? [04:41] slackytude: the Irish guy? [04:41] it would have been better if the art school accepted him [04:41] Action: godling reaches for the Godwin button. [04:42] MLanden, from IT Crowd? yeah [04:42] godling: eh, I said they were both examples of someone with little-kid personalities. I didn't say "MJ was like Hitler" [04:42] :) [04:42] idk about that the core beliefs hitler claimed (discounting how they were carried out) werent all that crazy [04:42] mind you he DID pursue them in a horrible fashion [04:43] and the tenets that became the backbone of his philosophy wer batshit bonkers [04:43] Urchlap, i do not see how you can think Hitler was like a kid... he had the cunning of any other member of the Dark Brotherhood [04:43] UrchLap: TBH, I think many grown men are really just children, emotionally. [04:43] Emanon: what, that jews are evil and deserve to be burned, gassed, made into soap, and used for "medical" experiments? [04:43] no the trying to pull germany out of their social slump part [04:43] dchmelik: Dark Brotherhood? [04:43] his fiscal policy wasnt all that bad, actually [04:43] dchmelik: plenty of kids have cunning. Hitler was like a kid in that he refused to see & accept reality, he lived in a fantasy world of his own confused creation [04:43] oh, that was Lovecraft [04:44] like i said urch the tenets that BECAME the defining factors of his reign WERE psycho but it started out with good words (if not intentions) [04:44] over a period of twelve years most kids learn about reality... Hitler did not [04:44] the road to hell is paved with good intentions [04:44] pretty sure his intentions were to do exactly what he did, except the part where he lost the war & killed himself [04:44] idk eugenics is a good idea but is criteria for superiority and therefore his view of it was off by a mile [04:44] ironically it's been speculated that he was 1/2 Hebrew\ [04:44] can someone guide me through the install process for a slackware distro? [04:45] mayrllr, a slackware distro? [04:45] mayrllr, wich? [04:45] 13 [04:45] mayrllr i recommend you print out the relevant chpt from the slackbook [04:45] and the install readme from the distrib [04:45] Emanon: hey, you ever see the movie "Gattaca"? [04:45] good movie [04:45] yeah [04:45] yea urch [04:45] awesome moview [04:45] -w [04:46] what'd you think of its portrayal of eugenics? [04:46] mancha: yeah i've used the docs, but i got an "operating system not found" after install and reboot, so i need some help setting up the partitions, etc [04:46] improper use but good warning [04:46] godling, there were several books written about the occult roots of Nazism... even Aleister Crowley said Hitler was a dark brother [04:46] dchmelik: I haven't read too much Crowley. [04:46] dchmelik, populist nonsense [04:46] I wouldn't know. [04:46] ok, is this drive going all to slackware? if yes, how many parts on the drive now? [04:47] the idea is that if only the superior are permitted to reproduce there will be a better chance of superior offspring (this is assuming superior is a definable factor) [04:47] slackytude, you might be surprised if you read about the historical figures involved [04:47] dchmelik, who says I didnt? [04:47] I have read Peter Carroll and Carlos Castaneda. [04:47] few things suprises me these days [04:47] no i dont think superiority is such a definable factor that such a narrow minded view of it could produce proper results but the theory is sound [04:47] I'm pretty sure "superior" can't really be defined by humans [04:47] Those new-age types can get pretty far out there. [04:47] hell its the basis for evolution [04:48] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [04:48] only the ones who deserve to survive do so and thus pass on their genes [04:48] and that has served most species quite well [04:48] well most current species [04:48] ourselves included [04:48] Action: godling pokes Emanon [04:48] Emanon: did you ever watch the deleted stuff on the DVD? (specifically, the scroll text that was going to appear at the end of the movie)? [04:48] no [04:48] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-7.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] but the idea of eugenics as a concious choice takes out of the equation the concept of something one person doesnt see as a benefit being one for another [04:49] it points out that, if the technology in the movie had existed, these people would never have been born: (and then a list of famous people with genetic defects, can't remember many of the names, but Abraham Lincoln was one of them anyway) [04:49] soylent green is people! [04:49] eugenics is people trying to play God [04:49] so while eugenics may be sound in theory, like communism its unfeasible with current mindsets [04:50] slackytude: that's what they want you to believe! Soylent Green is really mostly filler! [04:50] It's only 10% people! [04:50] TwinReverb: What if you don't believe in God? [04:50] shocking! [04:50] exactly often something seemingly defective turns out to be superior to something seemingly perfect [04:50] godling, then its still playing gof [04:50] godling, if i don't believe in Obama does that mean he ceases to exist? [04:50] eh, god [04:50] that's fallacious reasoning [04:51] playing god? [04:51] TwinReverb: if you don't believe in unicorns and dragons, does that mean they cease to exist? [04:51] playing is for children im trying to take over the mf'ing world "G. W. Bush" [04:51] godling, not at all. without solid evidence, you can neither say someone exists or doesn't exist [04:51] :-) [04:52] UrchLap, what if i do believe in dragons? [04:52] there's no "solid evidence" of non-existence of a deity that would ever convince a believer, because belief is based on faith, not rational [04:52] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:52] TwinReverb: show me one and I'll believe too! (I really wish dragons did exist) [04:52] TwinReverb, then you might be intrested in my dragon care stuff. just 99$ and you dragon will be happy as anything [04:52] faith is rational. we have faith in equations and scientific theories all the time: we can't prove then 100% sure but we believe then 99%, and they usually turn out to be true [04:52] well [04:52] some people do chase dragons [04:52] and before anyone takes that the wrong way: I didn't say "not rational" means "bad" [04:53] i dont know if they ever caught one though [04:53] TwinReverb: Is a fallacy still a fallacy even if you say it isn't? :P [04:53] lol,tewmten [04:53] If we want to postulate a deity capable of engineering all the organized complexity in the world, either instantaneously or by guiding evolution, that deity must have been vastly complex in the first place. The creationist, whether a naive Bible-thumper or an educated bishop, simply postulates an already existing being of prodigious intelligence and complexity. If we are going to allow ourselves the luxury of postulating organized c [04:53] some people believe in the flying spaghetti monster ... but they can no more prove that he exists than you can prove that he doesn't exist [04:53] TwinReverb, you dont want your dragon to be sad, dont you? better pay now [04:53] Woo.. I crossed the line.. my blog is starting to generate its own traffic :) [04:53] tewmten: when you finally catch the dragon, you beat the Heroin Hero game, and it's time to buy the expansion: Rehab Hero [04:53] Emanon, tldr [04:53] werti_rus (i=500@95-24-255-112.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:53] UrchLap: :D [04:53] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70.41.16.81) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:54] Zordrak, gratz [04:54] Zordrak, I gues [04:54] so why does the offtopic channel exist? :) [04:54] slackytude, i believe they are extinct though [04:54] godling: because we have faith in it [04:54] godling: I don't believe the offtopic channel exists! [04:54] TwinReverb, ah, just have some faith [04:54] tewmten++ [04:54] oh, wait, yes I do, my other client is idling in there [04:54] what about #slackman? [04:54] to say faith is irrational is to call everyone in the world insane (and a hypocrite) [04:55] no it isn't [04:55] some faith is irrational, some is not [04:55] just click your ruby slippers and SCREAM like L'il Richard...:D [04:55] TwinReverb: eh, I said "not rational". Love isn't rational, but any human who can't love, is insane [04:55] Action: TwinReverb dons tin foil hat [04:55] well, all people are insane and hypocrites. thats pretty much the definition of human [04:55] no, love can be rational, but it's also a feeling which can spring from that thought [04:55] TwinReverb: humans aren't rational creatures, and IMO they shouldn't be [04:56] so anyways, my "slap" kernel config works good on my laptop. anyone care to help me test on more laptops? [04:56] I mean, not 100% rational [04:56] nothing is entirely rational [04:56] math? [04:56] this conversation is sliding further into the maelstrom :P [04:56] physics [04:56] pi is not 100% rational [04:56] pi is a number [04:56] how can a number be irrational? [04:56] pi is actually irrational [04:56] mancha: silence! [04:56] but pi isnt a number [04:57] it's an irrational number (says my precision measurement equipment lab friend) [04:57] its a set of numbers [04:57] eh, if you're talking about quantum effects or whatever, then yeah, even a simple circuit with a switch, battery, and lightbulb doesn't count as "rational" at the lowest levels [04:57] Emanon: ?!?!? [04:57] pi is a free man! [04:57] it cannot be expressed as a fraction, hence it is not rational [04:57] wait [04:57] wrong film [04:57] i see [04:57] mathforum.org/dr.math/problems/chitwood1.9.98.html [04:57] i says to pi: Be rational! [04:57] pi says to i: Get real! [04:57] that doesn't link for me without the http:// mancha [04:57] "rational" for a number means "ratio-nal", able to be expressed as a ratio [04:57] so anyways, my "slap" kernel config works good on my laptop. anyone care to help me test on more laptops? [04:58] what is a "slap" kernel config? [04:58] thats just sloppy design. If I was god, pi would be exactly 3 [04:58] UrchLap, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slap-dvd-laptop-kernel-config-753734/ [04:58] that happens when you design a universe and keep cutting corners to keep it simple [04:58] 'ratio-nal' means 'reason-al' [04:58] according to http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=rational&searchmode=none [04:58] slackytude, maybe God is trying to teach you that you cannot possibly be all-knowing [04:59] anyways, testers? laptop users? [04:59] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FE697.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] take cae,slackers....take will all later [04:59] see ya MLanden [04:59] s/cae/care [04:59] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] nice talking to you [04:59] good morning ##slackware :) [04:59] - Disable Math emulation: everything 586+ has a math coprocessor: this is not needed. Please contact me if you have a 486 laptop.- Disable Math emulation: everything 586+ has a math coprocessor: this is not needed. Please contact me if you have a 486 laptop. [04:59] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:00] UrchLap, double-paste? [05:00] hello evo- [05:00] I didn't realize stock Slackware kernels still had that enabled, how silly! [05:00] morning evo- [05:00] it's sort of sad that Slackware isn't officially supporting the ham radio stuff any longer [05:00] TwinReverb: yeah, my laptop keyboard is ancient and starting to go senile [05:00] UrchLap, well it says pentium-pro in the config (generic-smp-2.6.29.6) but pentiums and above have/had math coprocessors [05:00] yeah [05:01] UrchLap: http://www.lojack.com/safetynet/Pages/index.aspx [05:01] actually, 486-DX chips also have the math coproc [05:01] i know [05:01] Action: godling points to his 486DX2 machine [05:01] i bet it's not a laptop though [05:01] but yeah, I'd say disabling that, is a good idea to save a tiny bit of RAM [05:01] yes, it does [05:02] WTF - I didn't realise widescreen had gotten that much adoption yet... over half my visitors are running a widescreen res [05:02] TwinReverb: No sir, it is not. [05:02] Zordrak: widescreen is the new pan & scan [05:02] Zordrak, HD is infectuous [05:02] were not all 486s supposed to have a math coprocessor, and only the ones that were imperfect were sold as SX? [05:02] godling: ye gods, is that serious? [05:02] UrchLap: absolutely [05:02] I only have one widescreen monitor #(if you exclude a CRT TV) and thats cos you cant get a new dell latitude without one [05:03] dchmelik: I've heard that before, and I've also heard someone refuting it (no idea who's correct though) [05:03] anyways, l8r [05:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:03] godling: at first I thought that was from something like The Onion [05:03] UrchLap: you'd think [05:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:04] Urchlap, i thought it was weird hearing that because i thought i could have installed a math coprocessor elsewhere in my 486 [05:04] UrchLap: http://www.clickorlando.com/technology/8491160/detail.html [05:04] UrchLap: it's not uncommon [05:05] man it takes a long time to urandom 2 tb [05:05] dchmelik: from what I recall, the "487 math coprocessor" was actually an entire 486DX with a slightly different pinout. When you plug it into the "coprocessor" slot, it disables the original CPU entirely [05:05] use /dev/random, its faster ^-^ [05:05] huh? [05:06] you're messing with him, or has something changed? /dev/random used to be painfully slow... [05:06] hrm [05:06] maybe I confuse the two [05:06] urandom is usually the better choice [05:06] hell, just use /dev/zero then [05:06] in Hilbert space all your base is belong to us [05:06] well at least dcfldd is faster than dd [05:06] godling: if you dont mind man in the middle attacks [05:06] isin't /dev/random connected to some hardware input nowdays? [05:07] Zordrak: hm? [05:07] urandom isnt necessarily true random depending on your entropy [05:07] debian knows [05:07] it just doesnt block like random does if it has nothing [05:07] nothing's true random :P [05:08] *truly [05:08] SnoogleFlippers! [05:08] that was pretty random :) [05:08] Zordrak, I knew you were saying that [05:08] so /dev/random could just contain text from an irc channel [05:08] heh [05:08] Id use #ubuntu, entropy is pretty high there [05:09] /dev/random actually returns EOF when the entropy pool empties, doesn't it? [05:09] slackytude: s/entropy/stupidity/g [05:09] actually /dev/random uses random data flooded from devices wikipedia says [05:09] whereas urandom reuses the pool [05:09] so random would be more random but take longer (i think) [05:09] Of course.. wikipedia... the *authoritative* source.. [05:09] UrchLap: man urandom [05:09] i think /dev/random just blocks and waits for more randomness instead of returning EOF [05:09] hey its better than thinking for myself Zord [05:10] of course [05:10] Emanon, you should consider a career in politics [05:10] I used to run a patched kernel that did something like, use the difference between the noise in the left and right channels of a sound card's mic input (when no mic was plugged in) as a source of entropy [05:10] any particular reason or am i just that charming [05:10] Emanon, the not thinking part [05:10] I think they're trying to push for your assassination, Emanon [05:10] theyd better take a number [05:11] Emanon, you know, there is a party who does a "Emanon" party, twice a month here. [05:11] err, a club [05:11] it seemed to work great (chi square test and other), until I went to play an mp3... turns out the output was leaking into the input, causing completely non-random results to come from /dev/random! [05:11] hell why do you think im randoming out a 2tb raid and wondering about encrypted lvm slack? [05:11] UrchLap, heh [05:12] i dont even know anyone in my social life that doesnt have classified data [05:12] like can get them killed for data [05:12] Emanon: hey, you're not the same Emanon who used to call Atlanta area BBSes, back in the 80s? [05:12] no [05:12] Dude! I'm the 5th unique result on google for Generic Slackware Kernel! Maybe I should take another look at this journalism lark :) [05:12] I somehow didn't think so [05:12] sorry i only go back to 87 [05:13] have only been reading since 88 [05:13] what, you were born then, or you started using computers then? [05:13] born [05:13] how long have you been talking out of your ass? [05:13] :P [05:13] and started to read a year later? [05:13] 89 [05:13] yea slacky [05:13] started when i was 1.5-2 yrs old [05:14] my parents read to me alot and played alot of reading and comprehension games so i picked it up fast [05:14] plus they never talked to me like a child so i just learned stuff differently than my peers [05:14] I'm told I started reading at 3, but I don't remember it [05:15] (maybe I just didn't read anything worth remembering?) [05:15] pissed my teachers off though, they weren't prepared to accept a kid like i was [05:15] plus i was an asshole [05:15] like moreso than now [05:16] thats why im in irc instead of a nightclub or somethign [05:16] ugh, yeah. I got in trouble for not wanting to draw a lowercase letter a with a girly-looking tail on it (I already knew how to write, dammit, and that's not how you do it!) [05:16] night [05:16] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [05:16] i turned to old geeks on the internet instead of my peers for support in elementary school [05:17] I guess you are destined to become an old geek yourself [05:18] it was awesome if i didnt tell them my age they treated me like i acted which was what i was looking for [05:18] embrace your destiny, luke [05:18] when I was in elem. school, there were still teachers who actually believed anyone left-handed was possessed by satan, and had to be forced to write right-handed in order to save their eternal souls [05:18] only thing that kept me alive through school untill the last few years of HS when i met some cool people [05:19] I had a teacher in 2nd grade like that, she's probably at least partly responsible for my cynical view of religion today [05:19] so here i am now 22 year old fixing computers for money no degree putting college grads to shame ehehe [05:19] Emanon: it's all fun & games until you start to starve to death [05:19] yea nkr urch [05:20] apparently i can out converse my nurse cousin on medical stuff [05:20] at 22, it's no big deal to have no degree. I'm 36 and look closer to 46, and I'm looked at with pity by interviewers, like I'm some kind of ancient fossil [05:21] im 22 look about 16 hehe [05:21] ive always been young for my age [05:21] (the other day, an 18 year old kid told me "I thought you were my dad's age!"... his dad is 54) [05:21] which made the supposed smart thing even creepier when i was real young [05:21] UrchLap, might be because you hang around in irc at 5am [05:21] i was like some kind of circus freak to most people [05:22] nah, I started getting grey hair around age 15, long before IRC [05:22] oy [05:22] thats kinda cool [05:22] at 16, I was able to buy beer without getting carded (I looked over 21) [05:22] well, it took me until I was 46 to get an AA :) [05:22] hey ask Ema something he'll spout off ad nausem about stuff you dont understand har har har [05:22] alisonken1noc, aa? [05:22] associates (general ed) [05:23] no relation to Ron Bacardi [05:23] I'm more like Emanon, I look younger [05:23] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.44) joined ##slackware. [05:23] I've been told I don't look my age either [05:23] i tried college years ago but i didnt like the prereqs for what i wanted to study [05:24] like wtf my reading/comprehension are off the chart (was college level in 3rd grade) and i have to take english? [05:24] i can break 256 aes in three minutes and i have to take algebra again? [05:24] bleah, by the time I made it thru the hell that was my high school years, I think I'd rather have stabbed my eyes with a rusty fork than go to school any more [05:25] i wanted to do it but when i found out all the shit i had to do to get a degree to do what id been doing withour one since i was 7 i decided it was shit and left [05:25] man, I see the unsocialized geek thingy is alive and well in #slackware [05:25] you can a cyphertext using aes-256 cbc to decrypt? 3 minutes you say? i'll give you 3 weeks [05:25] can=want [05:25] plus they dont even have a degree for security analysis so wtf [05:26] slackytude: who, me? I'm pretty hip for a geek, I'm a musician for a living (if you can call it that: it don't pay much) [05:26] nahh 3-6 minutes with rainbow tables on a ps3 [05:26] eh [05:26] rainbow tables will do you no good here. wanna try it? [05:26] i dont have a ps3 [05:26] UrchLap, well, I was refering to the HS thing. But yeah, I know you do music, I even saw pictures of you -_- [05:26] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.0.148) joined ##slackware. [05:26] being able to use a piece of software that cracks the encryption foryou, doesn't really prove you know anything about math [05:26] would have to go to Dot's house and use his [05:27] slackytude: apparently I've been dubbed "Chewie" by my guitar player [05:27] heh [05:27] no but why learn math for a networking job when anything that really takes math skills you could do faster on a calculator than in your head no matter how good you were at math [05:27] Emanon, you might enjoy some of these college classes you're dissing :) just saying [05:27] should i use ext3 or 4? [05:27] Emanon, the point is getting a degree, not having fun doing it [05:28] i would if i was gonna study my actual goals sometime this decade [05:28] mancha: he probably would enjoy the higher level classes, but the core stuff you have to take the first year, he'd probably be bored to tears [05:28] mayrllr, your call, but ext4 works fine here [05:28] but all the stuff i WANT to study is in the last year of a 4 year course [05:28] like wtf [05:28] so theres no major problems with ext4 that i'll find later on down the line? [05:28] i do not want to do this setup again :p [05:28] 3 years of pre reqs before i can learn anything enw [05:28] new* [05:28] mayrllr, not really [05:28] sounds good# [05:28] mayrllr, afaik [05:28] Emanon: most of what a degree means is "here is a person who will shut up and play by the rules" [05:29] (take that however you want) [05:29] yea and thats not me urch hehe [05:29] it's not me either [05:29] thus the security analysis job [05:29] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [05:29] no degree no problem just gotta be able to hack it (pardon the pun) [05:30] depends on where you stand. I got to college when I lost my drivers licenses and couldnt work anymore. its no fun getting money from the government [05:30] http://codepad.org/ltYB0tPx [05:30] can someone check that out and see if its ok [05:30] heh, the closest I ever got to a security analysis job, was a shady-looking guy came up to me at Microcenter and goes "hey, are you a hacker?" and starts blabbing about wanting someone to break into "his" network... [05:30] im not sure 512 for / is big enough [05:30] idk you can make an apatche server on 5mb [05:31] slackytude: hm, how'd you get to classes, if you couldn't drive? Don't tell me you lived in the dorm? [05:31] mayrl, thats broken, don't use that [05:31] 512 is plenty if you use a minimalistic (if any) gui [05:31] UrchLap, I use the bus and the train. but I used to be freelance computer dude. cant do that with public transport [05:31] DSL is what under 50mb? [05:31] slackytude: not effectively, no [05:31] you realize that your / part (the 512MB) is going to be used for EVERYTHING not in /boot /tmp /usr and /usr/local ? [05:32] Emanon: i'm thinking of using gnome or kde, but i thought they would be installed under /usr [05:32] mayrllr, not sure, should be enough. you can drop /usr/local tho. not really used by anything on slack. [05:32] oh right [05:32] 512 is not enough if you dont have /home [05:32] and might wanna separate /home (just my suggestion) [05:33] Nick change: SQlvpapir__ -> SQlvpapir [05:33] and slacky's too apparently [05:33] mayrllr, that is broken. i would combine your /usr /usr/local and / parts into one, for / [05:33] I'd definitely recommend a decent-sized /home if / is going to be 512M [05:33] but not for size constraints for easy upgrade i say [05:33] and /boot is pretty large [05:33] mancha: I wouldn't go so far as to call it "broken", but not really optimal [05:34] yea boot only needs to be like what 32-64m? [05:34] thats just semantics [05:34] well, he won't end up with an unusable system [05:34] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [05:34] figurea good a rule of thumb is 2-4 mb per kernel [05:34] Id combine /usr and /usr/local and add a /home [05:34] how big should boot be? [05:35] yeah, could just take that partition that was /usr/local and call it /home instead [05:35] 32-64m i say for boot [05:35] mayrllr, if you only run slack on that machine you dont need boot at all [05:35] so say you want to be able to have 5 kernels you might want in the 20-25mb range [05:35] 4-6 for /usr lose /usr/local [05:35] 512 is probably good for / but give /home a big chunk [05:35] slackytude: thats the thing, i'm thinking of running another too [05:35] mayrllr: probably the best rule of thumb is: if you don't know how to set up your partitions, and why you make them the sizes you do, then you don't need to be using separate partitions [05:36] and roughly twice physical ram for swap [05:36] (if you're new to Linux, you probably want to stick with a simple layout, just / and maybe /boot) [05:36] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.87) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:36] i still think a separate /home is wise even for newbs [05:36] and /home [05:36] Emanon: ugh, I wish that old "twice physical ram" would go away, it's obsolete [05:36] no offense by that [05:36] yea ur probably right with ram getting so large now urch [05:37] would you really find it useful to try to use a system with 1GM of RAM and 2GB of swap, when the swap is almost all in use? [05:37] almost lunch break! [05:37] Action: slackytude is getting a kebab! ^-^ [05:37] i hardly ever (if ever) get into swap with 3g of ram and im less than half full on this box [05:38] my swap's not being used right now on this laptop that's got 512M and runs windowmaker + firefox with 9 tabs open [05:38] mayrllr, i know people have all kinds of crazy part schemes and they swear by them, all i see when i look at yours is: overly complicated [05:38] Thunder n6550EX i want that [05:38] need more swap than ram if you do hibernate [05:39] slackytude: hm, does the swap actually have to be active, to use it for hibernation? or can it just be a partition you create & never run "mkswap" on? [05:39] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-176-70-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] i rethought it [05:39] http://codepad.org/heeUzb0B [05:40] mayrllr: why do you think you need a separate /usr/local partition? [05:40] u know a full slack install is like less than 6 gigs right? [05:40] xover (n=rich@host86-152-49-116.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:40] mayrllr: are you used to FreeBSD, maybe? [05:40] Emanon: really? [05:40] than again it is nice to have space for other stuff 8 is probably good [05:40] UrchLap: /usr/local is used for own applications, scripts, etc am i right? [05:40] guys i have checked the md5 on the iso i downloaded and it differs from the .asc file, whats the problem there? [05:40] think slack 12.2 was just under 6 if you installed everything [05:40] might be wrong tho [05:40] xover, corruption [05:41] mayrllr: most of us use slackbuilds to install apps, which means they go in /usr, not /usr/local [05:41] its the 2nd file i have downloaded [05:41] a .asc is a gpg sig file though, not an md5sum [05:41] try gpg --verify blah.asc [05:41] and me, I keep "scripts, etc" in my home directory (I have ~/bin in my PATH) [05:41] UrchLap, doesnt have to be active, afaik [05:42] it say drop /usr/local shrink / to say 7g (room for extra apps) and give home the rest [05:42] mayrllr, that looks good. why /usr/local tho? [05:42] or maybe leave / 8 and have what 12 for home [05:42] mayrllr: anyway, even if you're going to compile a bunch of stuff and put it in /usr/local, why does it need to be a separate partition? you planning to try to save it across a reinstall? (that may or may not work, for any given application) [05:43] or share it between linux distros? [05:43] well i'm thinking if i need to reinstall or install another distro, /usr/local should remain unchanged [05:43] which might not work either [05:43] ah, ok [05:43] mayrllr: I doubt that would work [05:43] sure it will, i've read into it a fair deal [05:43] should be same glibc and gcc [05:43] sorry mate, im not getting this [05:43] xover, first you will need to import the pubkey of whoever is signing this,if it is slackware, you need pat's key [05:43] yea i can see separating /usr to keep programs across upgrades and home to keep personal stuff but /usr/local is fine in /usr [05:43] mayrllr: sometimes it will, I've *done* it a fair deal [05:44] xover, a file like my_iso.asc contains a detached signature file (most probably gpg generated) [05:44] this is _not_ an md5 checksum [05:44] looks like he wants /usr/local for stuff that can be used across distros [05:44] mayrllr: the different distros use different versions of core libraries, with different sets of patches applied, which are not always binary-compatible... [05:44] like, statically compiled stuff and scripts [05:45] so its just verifying that its not a fake copy of slackware [05:45] one of the biggest complaints about linux [05:45] not to mention, lots of stuff in /usr/local still has hard-coded paths (e.g. /usr/bin/, when on another distro that might be /bin/) [05:45] xover a gog sig does two things, verifies integrity and also origin [05:46] gpg sig [05:46] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-179-200-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:46] but, eh, I'm not trying to tell you "don't do it", you try it & see how it goes for you. [05:46] an md5 sum does one thing: let's you identify corruption [05:46] it's better to learn by doing than listen to some insomniac bastard on IRC anyway [05:47] xover, where is the file you're dl'ing? [05:47] cool i found the md5 file and thats is correct [05:47] yea my first distro was slack and though i stray i always come back every new release just to check it out [05:47] ftp.slackware.co.uk [05:47] ok, so chances are it is good [05:47] cause i love it [05:48] you can get pat's gpg key and alsoverify the iso via the seg (.asc) if you are the overly cautious type [05:48] i installed slack yesterday and it had a corruption error on install so i downloading another version today [05:48] so its pgp --verify blah.iso after i have imported the pgp key? [05:49] xover: the difference between an md5sum and a GPG signature is, anyone can calculate the md5sum (so if I make a fake slackware iso, I can make a fake md5sum for it too, and trick you into downloading them both)... but a GPG signature, I can't make a fake one without breaking into the signer's computer and stealing his private key [05:49] gpg --verify blah.iso.asc [05:49] (I mean, I could sign it with a different key, but then when you verify it, the fingerprint would be wrong, vs. the real key) [05:50] ok, thats good [05:51] xover you should also try to use good burning tools and sane specs. don't try to use too high a speed and (imho stay away from k3b) [05:52] the last problem might have been a bad burn of a good iso image [05:53] never had trouble with k3b myself [05:53] xover, you can compute the md5sum of the dvd after burning: md5sum /dev/dvd (or whatever dev) [05:54] ok thanks [05:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:55] im running that command on the asc file, is that file using the key to test against the .iso file? [05:56] did you dl and import pat's key? [05:56] whos pat? [05:56] running slackpkg does that for you [05:56] xover, O_o [05:56] Is this conversation STILL going on?! [05:57] after that, assuming the asc file is called file.asc, type this: gpg --verify file.asc [05:57] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-176-70-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-7.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:57] it feels lik ethe servers just spitting out an infinite conversation loop at me [05:57] try it: /lastlog verify [05:57] im running that command, my sdd drive is flat out [05:57] cat /dev/irc [05:58] it is 13gigs guess it will take a while [05:58] what command did you type? [05:58] 13 gig iso? [05:59] you'll have trouble burning a 13gig iso unless you order custom made media and burners [06:00] forget gpg and stick to verifying the md5sum matches up. :) [06:00] Action: slackytude goes fetch some grub [06:00] is the chipset Intel G43 completely supported by linux (for graphic chipset) ? [06:01] Thom1: 2D and 3D acceleration should work. Having said that, many people have had issues with recent intel drivers. [06:01] [06:02] you think it could be a better choice to use a nvidia chip with prop driver ? [06:02] Thom1: Slackware 13 comes with different versions of the driver in /extra [06:02] i guess i should go pick up a nvidia 295 one of these days [06:02] Thom1: definitely [06:02] I dislike proprietary drivers in general. I'm quite happy with my x1900 and x850. [06:03] i was thrilled when i found out the periphreals i like are supported well (logitech dinovo edge, air mouse, most of their good cams etc) [06:03] makes buying stuff simpler [06:04] Anyone use Munin to graph resource usage and have a SlackBuild? [06:04] adamk, wise attitude [06:04] gotts go out and pick up an decent penguin friendly tuner tho [06:05] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [06:05] Emanon: check the mythtv wiki. [06:05] pcHDTV anyone know of a better one? [06:05] hmmm? [06:05] Emanon: check the mythtv wiki. [06:06] mancha: I think so. :-) [06:07] yea mythtv wiki suggests the one i linked to [06:07] among other ones but its in there [06:07] so get it. [06:09] planning to also planning on that logitech eyeball looking camera [06:09] only get webcams that use uvc [06:09] otherwise its a bitch to get them working [06:09] logitech has a pdf on their website somewhere listing the models that are and aren't uvc [06:09] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4353.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:10] apparently most logitech cams are supported in kernels 3.4+ i think [06:10] supported yes, but they dont all use uvc, which makes putting them to use hard. [06:10] Emanon: kernels 3.4+ ? last I heard, kernels only went up to 2.6 [06:10] 2.4 sorry [06:10] mistyped [06:11] although a few of the special keys on my keyboard are a pain to get working [06:11] the zoom keys some of the programmable hotkeys etc [06:11] Emanon: uvc cameras, you can capture straight from the /dev/videodevice because its not encoded. whereas non-uvc still have a /dev/videodevice but its encoded. 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About bloody time!!!! :: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/09/climate_change_not_warmer/ [06:57] How can I apply new fonts to system without messing with xorg.conf? User-specific [06:57] werti_rus (i=500@95-24-255-112.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [06:57] I have installed fonts to ~/.fonts/ but programs can't seem to find them [06:58] did you run mkfontdir? [06:58] or fc-cache? [06:58] they work after 'xset +fp && xset fp rehash && fc-cache' [06:59] but when starting my wm they are not found... and I can't issue those commands as I can't open terminal as it uses the new fonts [06:59] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.0.148) left irc: Client Quit [07:00] the .fonts.conf file has those directories listed and I thought that should do it [07:03] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.21) joined ##slackware. [07:04] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. 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[07:20] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.65.18) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:20] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A375.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:20] spook: no [07:22] mayrllr, Probably not, but you need to tell us what the problem is first. [07:22] adeodatus: what makes you think you need to check the hard drive? [07:22] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [07:22] It's possible to resize a partintion from 28 Gb to 15 Gb? [07:22] yes, loog at parted (gparted) [07:22] *look [07:23] mancha: GNU parted, gparted is something entirely different [07:23] Without loseing any data on that partition!! (that is my root partition) [07:23] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:23] yup. [07:24] non-destructively shrinks it [07:24] gparted is a gui interface with parted as a backend engine [07:24] mancha: slackware doesnt have gparted [07:24] so what? [07:24] parted will do what he wants [07:25] ok, not sure i understand what you're talkin about. adeo, look at parted (gparted) [07:25] as spook has very nicely vounteered, gparted is not a part of slackware, but you didn't ask that. [07:25] adeodatus: do you have the usb/dvd/cd you used to install slackware? [07:26] if you start that up, you can use GNU parted (the command called parted) to shrink your / partition without losing data [07:26] adeodatus, gparted is a very nice interface, i recommend you dl and burn a live-cd that has gparted as one of the tools. [07:26] spook: yes i've only the first cd. [07:26] thats all you need [07:27] thanks [07:28] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [07:29] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-txblbxhgfaejjsvc) left irc: [07:29] adeo, backup any critical data first. although the advertisement is you don't lose data, anytime you shrink partitions you should take precautions [07:30] ces conhecem alguma soluзгo legal pra ftp c SSL? [07:30] partedmagic is the newest distro based off gparted i think [07:30] no we dont speak anything but english in here. [07:30] may be wrong tho [07:30] some way to do ftp +ssl? [07:31] you can hardly call it a distro if all it does is load gparted [07:31] I want to install Minix on that free partition.Has anyone tried Minix? [07:31] i think you can use stunnel for that (cheap solution) [07:31] Emanon, that sounds like one i've seen. there was another good one though [07:31] if its anything like the older one it probably has fluxbox or something [07:31] BogdanR (n=Bogdan@86.106.19.175) joined ##slackware. [07:31] its only like 95 megs [07:32] why not just use damn small linux [07:32] if anyone wants it i can send it to em shouldnt take too long [07:32] Hello everyone [07:32] Do any of you know who is the webmaster of http://packages.slackware.it [07:32] BogdanR: hi [07:33] and probably where can be reached [07:33] BogdanR: i dunno, someone was asking a few days ago, Zordrak i think it was. [07:33] fawcao if you prefer a nice GUI type deal, filezilla does ftps (ftp over ssl) and is quite nice [07:33] dont think anyone knows [07:33] Andreas Liebschner [07:33] i assume [07:33] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.166) left ##slackware. [07:33] yeah but, contact details [07:34] fizban@slackware.com [07:34] Thanks [07:34] Emanon: good job :) dig? [07:34] mancha, only command-line solutions i prefer [07:34] curlftps [07:34] I want to tell him that for every link a .tgz is still put at the end [07:34] fawcao: sftp ? [07:34] huh spook? [07:34] spook, ftps [07:34] oh wait thats not ssl [07:35] yeah, ftp != sftp != ftp over ssh2 [07:35] curlftpfs might be good for you [07:35] spook, sftp is over ssh? [07:35] spook, hum..sftp =D [07:35] hum.. [07:36] my bad. [07:36] sftp(1), it uses ssh [07:36] god maybe i should just cancel the dd i didnt have anything illegal past 660gb on the last install anyways [07:36] grr.. [07:36] kkkk [07:36] =D [07:36] err 880 [07:36] ftps =D [07:37] only had a couple hundred g total before i killed that last one should be safe now [07:37] fawcao, aside from curlftpfs you might look at lftp (both cli) [07:37] spook, require any config of module mod_tls.c in ftp server? [07:37] i dunno. [07:38] http://lftp.yar.ru/ [07:42] Emanon, you're dd'ing to blank the drive? [07:43] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.4.166) joined ##slackware. [07:43] www.dban.org [07:44] thats a good cd to have [07:46] dban is nice for PXE booting as well [07:46] hrhr [07:46] last i was at a computer i was figuring out how to pxe boot it [07:54] BogdanR (n=Bogdan@86.106.19.175) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [07:55] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-179-200-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:01] slackytude: eban is better for PXE. [08:01] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) joined ##slackware. [08:02] i changed a theme in KDE settings and ended up not being able to run xorg. if i run startx i get the message "qgtkstyle cannoy be used together with the GTK_QT engine" [08:02] *cannot [08:02] and also [08:02] error setting MTRR (base = 0xd8000000, size = 0x04000000, type = 1) invalid argument (22) [08:06] try to find where KDE saves this setting and change it back to something that doesn't offend it [08:07] maybe /homedir/.gtkrc-2.0 ? [08:10] exxkexx (n=exxkexx@123-243-115-92.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 105 (No buffer space available) [08:10] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-34-32-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:10] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [08:12] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:13] bah, can't find anything [08:14] do you have a .kderc or .kde/config or something? i am not a kde user, but ls -a in your homedir [08:17] y0 lf4 [08:17] lf4, eban? [08:17] hey slackytude [08:18] eban is enterprise dban [08:18] ah [08:18] that means it has more expensive bugs [08:18] lol yep [08:19] slackytude: How's work going? [08:19] lf4, ok, not much todo [08:20] lf4, my grandma died [08:20] slackytude: I'm sorry, what happened? [08:21] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:22] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:22] lf4, she was pretty old and hospitalized for a year already. As far as I know she had a stroke [08:23] mancha: i have a /usr/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc [08:23] slackytude: Oh [08:24] mayrllr, no that won't have it. you need slme kde specific setting file...should be in your /home/user dir [08:25] wertik_rus (i=500@95-24-255-112.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:26] mayrllr, unless some kde user here knows, you can ask where kde saves theme info in channel #kde [08:26] ahh, ok [08:26] you might get away by rm'ing the whole thing. rm -rf .kde (in your homedir) [08:28] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.13) left irc: "Leaving" [08:29] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:29] zk (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [08:30] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] agris2 (n=agris@213.226.141.192) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:31] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.4.166) left irc: "Leaving" [08:32] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427511.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:33] is it advisable to use the firewall if i already have a hardware firewall infront of the server/ [08:33] sec i know what it is just gotta remember mancha [08:34] xover: depends on how paranoid you are [08:34] /home/USERNAME/.kde/share/config [08:34] somewhere in there [08:34] kdedrc and kdeglobals i think [08:35] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:35] should be the kde theme configs [08:35] probably wrong tho hehe [08:36] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: "leaving" [08:37] adeodatus (n=root@92.84.4.166) joined ##slackware. [08:37] wheee! [08:37] I could fix a Linux problem at work [08:37] great fun [08:37] hi [08:37] ho [08:37] no sorry plasma-appletsrc and plasmarc i was wrong [08:38] adeodatus (n=root@92.84.4.166) left irc: Client Quit [08:38] same directory tho [08:39] Emanon (n=Emanon@c-67-183-42-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." 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[09:07] Thom1: buy another [09:07] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) joined ##slackware. [09:08] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you." [09:11] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A375.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:11] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FE697.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [09:11] Panzer, because my actual amd processor has his fan, and it works since 5 years. So can you tell me why I had to "buy another" [09:14] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.166) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:14] hi, i've installed slackware 13.0. i selected all packages during installation. when i try to compile a simple hello world C program, i'm getting linker error. [09:14] anyone facing the same issue? [09:14] show the error [09:15] not near my machine... it's something like: "crt: undefined symbol _start" [09:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ckotmwcdvthmehvq) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:17] weird, the C program is like #include int main() {printf("Hello World\n");} and then gcc -o prog prog.c [09:18] ya [09:18] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:19] seems like nobody's facing the same problem... i'll try re-installing [09:19] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:21] snL20 (n=irssi@90.149.160.214) joined ##slackware. [09:21] marvelsss (n=user@125.164.234.162) joined ##slackware. [09:22] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-223.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89E08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:24] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Thom1: because stock heatsink is not desined r prolonged max processor usage [09:25] ok ok [09:25] thanks [09:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [09:29] elderK (n=zk@222-152-97-44.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [09:29] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [09:31] firedix (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Srbo (n=Srbo@84.59.9.221) joined ##slackware. [09:34] how to get suspend to work on 13.0 on my pavillion ze4619 [09:36] which one, to ram? to disk? [09:36] either/or/both [09:36] neither one is working atm [09:36] what happens when you try disk? [09:36] nothing [09:37] 512M ram 1.2G swap partition [09:37] echo disk > /sys/power/state ? [09:37] sorry - 1.4G swap [09:37] hang on [09:37] marvelsss (n=user@125.164.234.162) left irc: "Dukunglah Syariah & Khilafah, www.khilafah.com" [09:38] so far blank screen and lots of disk activity [09:38] ok - power down [09:38] pushing power button [09:38] ok, now assuming you have a resume= flag in lilo.conf, right? [09:38] I will after it reboots :) [09:39] what's the flag value? [09:39] say swap is /dev/hda1, you want: append="resume=/dev/hda1" [09:39] within that kernel block, say just below the image line. [09:39] not in global? [09:40] I've got a huge and a generic kernel option in lilo [09:40] you don't want to resume one kernel suspend in another [09:41] that's interesting - after reboot cfdisk says 2.78M now unusable [09:41] is that "append=" or "addappend=" [09:42] as i wrote it. if you already have an append line for that kernel just add the resume= thing to the end of the others... [09:42] I only have a global append atm [09:42] ok then addapend [09:44] ok - I only use huge for troubleshooting anyway [09:44] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:45] why addappend now? [09:45] addappend adds to the global append [09:45] shouldnt append work even if you have a global appe.... ahh, right [09:45] so you can have generic append for all kernels and addapend for per-image options [09:45] gotcha [09:47] will swap partition be used for hibernation? [09:48] per default I mean [09:48] ok - echo disk>/sys/power/state only writeable by root [09:48] slackytude: for disk, should be [09:48] at least from what I've read [09:48] aye [09:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [09:49] ivenkys (n=ivenkys@unaffiliated/ivenkys) left ##slackware. [09:49] new powerup message "freezing userspace programs" [09:50] and system appears to be back up [09:50] ok, you got it working, congrats! [09:50] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-gsndlzbnugkqutiz) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Action: slackytude tries as well [09:50] now how to get kde4 suspend menu option to work [09:50] works fine for me...? [09:51] there you're on your own, sensei, i won't allow kde to run on any hardware i pay for :) [09:51] gonna try again after I get it back up [09:53] ok - kde4->leave->suspend (disk or ram) [09:53] Srbo (n=Srbo@84.59.9.221) left irc: "Leaving" [09:53] nothing happens - system still running [09:55] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [09:56] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] wheee! [09:57] worked for you too slacky? [09:57] Dazed and confused but trying to continue anyway [09:57] spook: did you have to do anything to get the kde4 menu option to suspend? [09:57] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89E08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [09:58] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) joined ##slackware. [09:58] slackytude (n=hotline@79.216.158.8) joined ##slackware. [09:58] that worked [09:58] but my IRC session died [09:59] and it was Dazed and confused but tried anyway [09:59] sure, suspend-to-disk turns off the machine! [09:59] so irc dies as does any other network connection [09:59] noo! [09:59] Why wouldn't it? [10:00] but it looks like some hw piece doesnt play nicely as the kernel complaint about some NMI stuff [10:00] probably nvidia [10:00] but works anyway [10:01] using the default ati driver on my laptop appears to work manually, just not from the kde menu [10:01] I did it via kde menu [10:01] and using the nvidia binary blobs [10:01] Nick change: WebDragon -> kbrd [10:02] I like my KDE setup [10:02] good use some stuff still, tho [10:02] s/good/could [10:02] mentr (n=Hey@adsl-64-237-139-36.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] I still dont know how to add custom actions [10:03] that is one of the best features of Thunar, imho [10:04] altho I like dolphin as well [10:04] the built-in terminal is nifty [10:04] as is the built in smb browser [10:04] i really dislike dolphin :) [10:04] yeah? why? [10:05] dunno, i tried to start it now to remember and then i realized i had nuked it a while ago [10:05] have you tried xfe? that's my favorite [10:05] heh [10:05] xfe? [10:06] http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/ [10:07] getting it already [10:07] or maybe not [10:07] source seems to be down [10:08] http://www.fox-toolkit.org/ftp/ is down? [10:09] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-169-195-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] slackytude, yeah, it is. [10:09] foo! [10:10] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] is there a way to un-bloat the default KDE install in 13.0? i find it lags quite a bit on my laptop (where other distros don't) [10:10] but then again, the other window manager lags a fair bit aswel and thats the complete basic [10:10] yeah, you need fox-toolkit slacky. [10:11] whats that? [10:11] mancha, down :( [10:11] mancha, but xfe looks like thunar [10:11] yep, just checked, hopefully back up soon. [10:11] That's too subjective. Performance tweaking requires scientific method. [10:11] mayrllr: turn off some visual effects, and compositing if it's turned on, I guess. [10:11] anyway, Im good with dolphin. just need custom actions and Ill be a happy camper [10:12] EuroTrash: thats the thing, i can't find any good options to turn off [10:12] mayrllr, What video card and driver are you using? [10:12] the laptop is from 2004/5 i think, not sure about specs [10:13] Well if you are using the vesa driver, or another unaccelerated driver, lagginess is not unusual. [10:13] lspci should tell you a bit about the specs [10:13] mayrllr, Can you use a service like http://pastebin.com to show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? [10:13] adamk_: sure, when its installed [10:14] eh? [10:14] what is a good way of patching slackware servers? [10:14] xover, slackpkg [10:14] is it worth putting an entry in cron for this to update daily? [10:15] no, as it needs interaction [10:16] ok. [10:16] is there any central management for patching like SUS for MS? [10:17] ? [10:17] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-130-173.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] not really, but that can be scripted in a few lines if you dont need anything fancy. and if you need something fancy, there are tools for linux like that on freshmeat and so on [10:17] slackpkg already talks to central repository [10:17] xover, in slack, administration is really hands on, which is why many of us like it. there are more and more things cropping up to help automate some things, but you should be involved. [10:17] Nick change: sahko -> Guest7335 [10:17] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1e5) joined ##slackware. [10:18] for example, you could have one machine checking for patches and pushing them to all clients if it gets new ones [10:18] Guest7335 (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-130-173.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:18] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [10:18] its a good philosophy [10:18] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-172-115-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Tirili (n=Unknown@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-169-195-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:19] sahk0 (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:21] nobody knows how to make do some custom actions for dolphin, huh? [10:21] gaz_ (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:21] somehow it doesnt work [10:21] kbrd (n=kbrd@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: "leaving" [10:22] and binding mouse buttons to functions or keys or something [10:23] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] What would you suggest is the best desktop linux distro for a small network of admin workers for general office work? [10:25] xover: do you know what channel you're in? [10:25] If they're IT people administering Linux machines, let them choose their own distros. [10:25] "general office work" [10:25] they are not rob0, I will use slackware for the servers, but they need something idiot proof for the desktop [10:25] rob0: he said "admin workers", not "admins" [10:25] ic [10:26] wertik_rus (i=500@95-24-255-112.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:26] well, I wouldn't give them root, and choose what I like best / feel like I can maintain for them. [10:26] My choice might not be the same as xover's. [10:26] and for remote access i was going to vpn in then i will have to use VNC right? [10:27] what is your choice rob0? [10:27] ugh, why vnc? [10:27] ssh [10:27] 14:25 < danc3> xover: do you know what channel you're in? [10:27] vnc is not bad, it is light [10:27] i mean if i need to see waht they are seeing [10:27] xover: do you know what channel you're in? [10:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:27] if i am just doin admin then SSH yah [10:27] xover: do you know what channel you're in? [10:27] VNC for administering GNU/Linux is insane. [10:28] rob0 what alternative do I have for actually viewing the desktop? [10:28] he might mean tandem control of the desktop while talking on the phone, say [10:28] thats exactly what i mean, otherwise i will use ssh [10:28] Action: danc3 shrugs and walks away [10:28] im after RDP basically. [10:28] One alternative is to be think out your questions before you type them. [10:29] s/be // [10:29] I'm answering one thing, only to find out that you meant another thing. [10:29] your problem is your an idiot and you cant read [10:29] LOL [10:29] yeah rob0 !! [10:30] Oh. Thanks. [10:30] looks like the end of the help road for xover [10:30] you can also rdp, or nomachine nx....etc [10:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:1e5) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] damn n00b hour started early today [10:30] good day / fuck off / die, etc [10:30] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap ..... :)" [10:31] Where can I go for help to learn to read and stop being an idiot? [10:31] rob0: I'd suggest ##slackware [10:31] NX-Machine > VNC [10:32] ;) [10:32] Come to think of it, I'd much rather have my problem than the one xover has. [10:32] yes indeed. xover's is non-recoverable. [10:35] thanks slackytude [10:36] the brainwashing, er i mean training, module msft gave best buy employees has a question: Linux is safer than Windows (true/false)?. if you put true, a big red INCORRECT pops up [10:36] wtf? [10:37] on related news, msft just released a patch for a critical tcp/ip vulnerability reported privately to them one year ago! [10:37] BB is in bed with M$, that's all [10:37] well, considering their target customer, it probably is not true. Linux in the hand of a fool is no better than Windows, possibly even worse, since an attacker can do more with it. [10:38] eh, killing plasma aint smart [10:38] slackytude (n=hotline@79.216.158.8) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:39] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89E08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:41] that's true i guess...and more and more true these days [10:43] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:43] When I get that kind of question (in the context of utter lack of Clue), I tell such people to buy a Mac. [10:45] an on another related news, a tcp ddos attack will not be fixed in windows 2000 - which may also affect vista/7 [10:46] slack store has no 13 :( [10:46] url? [10:46] old news [10:47] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:50] ntldr (n=vegard@c7C4345C1.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [10:50] hi guys [10:51] how can I check if direct rendering is enabled in slackware 13? the output from glxinfo is quite different from the earlier releases [10:52] glxinfo |grep -i render [10:52] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:52] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:52] okey, so that line specifies whether DRI is enabled or not? [10:53] Im getting errors if I want to add new plasmoids [10:53] firedix (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [10:53] if I want to install new ones I mean [10:53] anybody got the same problem? [10:53] ntldr: no it does not [10:53] did you try it? [10:53] slackytude: I don't even know what a 'plasmoid' is [10:53] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [10:53] danc3, you on kde4 ? [10:54] no [10:54] god no [10:54] then you dont even know what it is! [10:54] danc3: it returned GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2 [10:54] slackytude: that's what I just said [10:54] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [10:54] ntldr: ok [10:54] nyRednek (n=yosi@68-25-155-128.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] slackytude: that still doesn't answer my question, though [10:55] so does that mean that direct rendering is enabled? it was so much easier before when all I had to do was to grep for "direct" [10:55] danc3, which question [10:55] danc3: no there will NOT be any beer when you get back, unless you bring it. [10:56] slackytude: what's a plasmoid [10:56] rob0: heh [10:56] ok I'll bring some [10:56] danc3, some fancy mini apps for the kde4 desktop [10:56] desklet [10:56] oh ok [10:56] Action: danc3 doesn't need that stuff [10:57] too Windoze-ish for me [10:57] I cant be the only one who tries to use them [10:58] wertik_rus (i=500@95-24-255-112.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:59] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:59] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: [10:59] slackytude: apparently you are [11:00] widgets don;t work in kde4 [11:00] noooo! [11:00] raw? [11:00] like anything else, really [11:00] kde4 is utter horsedump [11:00] wait for kde 4.6 or 4.7 [11:00] or use Xfce [11:00] now [11:01] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [11:03] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] Or for the inevitable fork of KDE. [11:07] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@80.12.81.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:08] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:11] another fork you mean [11:13] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-146-111.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:14] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:14] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:18] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:19] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [11:22] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Tirili (n=Unknown@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] j0z (n=JESUS@201.22.11.206.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Tirili (n=Unknown@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] Looks like I broke my slackware again. [11:29] With your help I got multilib to work. [11:30] Later I updated some gcc and glibc packages with slackpkg. [11:30] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:31] I thought, I had already excluded the important packages by adding a line with gcc and one with glibc to /etc/slackpkg/blacklist [11:31] john_dee (n=id@93.81.1.193) left irc: "link closed" [11:31] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89E08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] does slackware have some sort of problem handling USB mice? [11:32] time for a small downgrade. [11:32] brb [11:32] Now when I start up runlevel 4, my mouse and my keyboard don't work anymore. [11:32] heh, i would rather have my mouse not work [11:32] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [11:32] than have it lag to the extreme shit it currently does [11:33] I tried reinstallig those packages that had been made by following the multilib quick and dirty instructions by alienBob, but it didn't help. [11:33] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [11:34] I think, my mouse doesn't work with gpm in runlevel 3, either. [11:35] At least I can't see it. When my sda3 was checked, there also came a few error messages regarding usb ports. Perhaps it was my mouse. [11:38] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.217.38) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Tirili: if you followed alienBOB's guide he told you to blacklist the packages [11:38] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] I wrote those two lines into the blacklist file of slackpkg. [11:39] slackpkg has a blacklist command, USE IT [11:40] The packages were listed in the blue field anyway. Then I installed them. That was stupid of me, no question. [11:40] ok can anyone help with a mouse problem [11:41] no one can help you [11:42] so foe [11:42] Tirili: gg you fucked your slackware install by not following instructions [11:43] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:43] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [11:44] ok I could reinstall it and will probably do so. It's not that bad. I have a lot of time and a second pc, but I'd like to know, what is the right way to go on after having installed multilib? [11:45] following THE INSTRUCTIONS [11:45] neonflux (n=mrjones@67.152.80.226) joined ##slackware. [11:47] grazymax_ (n=grazymax@host233-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:48] john_dee (n=id@93-81-1-193.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:50] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:52] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.73) left irc: Client Quit [11:52] mayrllr, What's the problem? [11:53] the USB mouse lags, touchpad doesn't [11:53] Then, no, I can't help you :-) Sorry, but I've never seen that before. [11:54] tooly (n=tooly@e178150047.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:54] apn (n=apn@194.217.4.175) joined ##slackware. [11:54] haha. this is so fail, it works fine on any other distro [11:55] mayrllr: usb mice work fine on all my Slack boxes [11:55] no probs with it here also [11:56] mayrllr: what version of Slackware are you using? [11:56] 13.0 [11:56] im trying to compile mythtv 0.21 on slack 13.0. myth 0.21 needs qt3, so i installed the packages from extra/kde3-compat. i'm using http://pastebin.ca/1559904 for the slackbuild and getting "ld: cannot find -lqt-mt" while trying to compile. any idea on what i can do to get it to compile? [11:58] find /otp/kde3 |grep lib | configure with kde3 libs prefix [12:00] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-146-111.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [12:03] sid77 (n=sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [12:03] why the hell would you pipe find to grep? [12:03] --with-kde3-libs isn't a compile time option for mythtv (assuming thats what you ment) [12:03] but since he left...oh well [12:03] jigp_ (i=allan@85.166.196.165) joined ##slackware. [12:05] i do have /opt/kde3/lib/libqt-mt.so -> qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so which is what google told me the error was related to (the symlink) [12:05] what do you think about NVIDIA nForce 730i and NVIDIA GeForce 9300 ? [12:06] And piping find(1) with an invalid path to grep(1) is even worse :) [12:07] mag0o: hm, i've not tried building mythtv, but your script looks reasonable. what's the error it's spewing out? [12:07] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] ld: cannot find -lqt-mt [12:08] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-gsndlzbnugkqutiz) left irc: [12:10] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:11] hi [12:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [12:13] thrice`: here's the lines leading up to the error http://pastebin.ca/1559919 [12:16] mag0o: huh, strange. sorry, out of ideas; doesn't appear anything with your build [12:16] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:17] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.210.144.103) joined ##slackware. [12:17] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] ok, thanks for looking [12:18] spook, I wonder why doesn't it work, if I just remove the updated gcc and glibc packages again and reinstall the packages made by alienBob, which are still on my harddrive. ? [12:23] ivenkys (n=ivenkys@unaffiliated/ivenkys) joined ##slackware. [12:25] guess this means i have to go with mythtv svn =\ [12:26] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:26] poor boy [12:27] i'm running to help you [12:27] Action: winter represents the official Linux Support [12:27] Nick change: gatt0 -> G`Schroedinger [12:29] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:29] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [12:30] :) [12:30] mag0o: This is why mythtv did not make it into 13.0 at Slackbuilds.org. It can be made to work but it is too much of a pain. [12:31] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-ftqlqhschbzzaogj) joined ##slackware. [12:31] ahhh [12:31] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.40.117) joined ##slackware. [12:31] greetings [12:31] Mythtv devs need to release tarballs a bit more often also. [12:32] greetings earthlings [12:32] well, maybe i'll get svn running somewhat decent (since 0.22 is looming near) and since there are not 4:3 themes, i'll finally get to buy me a shiny new big lcd tv [12:32] Action: mag0o can wish [12:32] y0 winter [12:32] bhanson_ (i=bhanson@isafailure.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] bhanson (i=bhanson@66.111.62.177) joined ##slackware. [12:33] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-llhqqquiyfnyvzim) joined ##slackware. [12:33] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-llhqqquiyfnyvzim) left ##slackware. [12:33] wetinscotland (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-aktunjphauqlzsiq) joined ##slackware. [12:34] hey all, what's a guy gotta do to get kde 4.3.1 on slack 32-bit ?! [12:34] ntldr (n=vegard@c7C4345C1.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:35] compile it [12:35] wetinscotland, build it [12:35] wetinscotland: Depends on who you ask. A gay Slacker might give you a colourful answer. [12:35] y0 slackytude [12:35] y0 fire|bird [12:35] mr_patterson, like? [12:35] hey fire|bird [12:35] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EC04E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] how's it goin [12:36] slackytude: I'm not a gay Slacker so I don't know :P [12:36] mr_patterson: hey, I was messing with dolphin yesterday and found that it starts A LOT faster if you disable the information panel. [12:36] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [12:36] thrice`: hey, going great, thanks. you? [12:36] fire|bird, information panel? [12:36] ooo, i just saw the --libdir-name compile option [12:36] wonder if that'll help [12:36] compile? please be joking..theres about 20 seperate packages...dependancy hell isnt my idea of a good time [12:36] fire|bird: Oh? I'm searching on Google to see what the info panel is exactly. [12:37] nah, that's just for output libs mag0o [12:37] hey fire|bird [12:37] fire|bird: good, thanks :) [12:37] slackytude: A panel on the right side to get info on whatever icon/folder is highlighted, nothing that you can't get from a good ol right click --> properties. [12:37] fire|bird: i also disabled it , it was really slow when viewing a folder with pdfs :P [12:37] hey deco [12:37] fire|bird, I see, gonna try that [12:37] deco: It isn't here. [12:37] fire|bird, can you install new plasmoids in your kde? [12:37] wetinscotland: No, we aren't joking, you have to compile it yourself. [12:37] slackytude: yeah [12:38] fire|bird: i mean when you hover over a pdf it takes some time to generate a preview on the right side [12:38] doesnt work for me [12:38] heya fire|bird [12:38] deco: Ah, I see. [12:38] heya Necos [12:38] wetinscotland, you should be able to reuse the slackbuilds for 4.2 [12:38] slackytude: Hmm, I've installed a few myself and they've worked fine. [12:38] slackytude: yes, he can. [12:38] fire|bird, how did you install them? via local file [12:38] ? [12:39] just needs a change in the *.options file to reflect the different version, then upgrade strigi, soprano, akonadi, and start building. [12:39] wetinscotland, so, just use the slackbuilds for 4.2 and get new source [12:39] no fire|bird :P [12:39] grazymax (n=grazymax@host233-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:39] slackytude: I installed some manually and others through kde's interface for installing new ones. [12:39] there are like 2-3 packages that were separated, remember [12:40] fire|bird, damn [12:40] fire|bird: trying to build amarok 2.2beta1 but i failed :P [12:40] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] its just weird that txz packages were available for kde 4.2 within days of its's release and yet after six weeks 4.3 is nowhere to be seen...i will however have a go at the slackbuilds option...was just wondering if anyone knew of an unofficial repository [12:40] deco: same here, I wonder if mysql needs a version bump or that. [12:40] fire|bird, wonder why it doesnt work for me [12:40] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [12:40] slackytude: yeah, that's odd. [12:40] wetinscotland, that's because 4.3 is not stable yet [12:40] slackytude: does it give any error or anything? [12:41] hi all [12:41] Necos: It's stable here, 4.3.0 and 4.3.1 :P [12:41] fire|bird, lots but nothing I can remeber now [12:41] haha [12:41] but it's still in the .1 phase [12:41] fire|bird, goona check it out friday when Im in the office again [12:41] dont wanna start splitting hairs but i find 4.3 (on fedora) a lot less buggy than 4.2 series [12:41] it'll probably hit current when it gets to .2/3 [12:41] though that may be just personal experience :-) [12:42] wetinscotland: then compile it!!111 Pat is on vacation from just releasing 13 :) [12:42] fire|bird: Oh, that's what it is. So, is the slight delay gone for good? [12:42] or, if you have a pizza delivered to my apartment, I'll compile it for you [12:43] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EC04E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [12:43] thrice`: :P [12:43] ok, 1 pizza + 1 six-pack [12:43] mr_patterson: On both my desktop and laptop when disabling that, dolphin opened pretty much instantly. [12:43] One small cheese only pizza coming right up! [12:43] thrice`: = good eats/time :P [12:43] cheese-only gets you 1/2 of KDE [12:43] fire|bird: the error that is get is slackbuild not being able to find the mysql source tar but i did add it than tried specifing the localtion of the tar and still no luck :( [12:43] tell u what..create an unofficial txz repository and u can have a week's worth of pizzas [12:44] that i get* [12:44] Hear that? Add one other topping! [12:44] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [12:44] deco: yeah, same here. :P [12:44] anyone here use libmtp for anything? (microsoft media transport, stuff like amarok can use it to talk to portable mp3 players) [12:44] fire|bird: ok than i don't feel so bad now :P [12:44] deco: haha [12:44] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [12:44] UrchLap: Hey, get any farther with that? [12:44] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.40.117) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:44] UrchLap, never used it, but what are you tryin to do? [12:45] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@141.100.40.117) joined ##slackware. [12:45] wetinscotland: You're cheap. A Slackware repo for one week's worth of pizza? [12:45] fire|bird: I got it working fine, it's just *painfully* slow (took 10 minutes to xfer 500M of data) [12:45] haha [12:45] UrchLap, isn't that a USB problem? >.> [12:45] what would u like? how about a 5 year old vaio? [12:46] Necos: using mtpfs to mount a sansa clip. It works, I just wondered if it's supposed to be that damn slow [12:46] mag0o, does the directory "/opt/kde3/lib/qt3" exist? [12:46] Necos: I dunno. It shows up as a "full speed device" in dmesg, that's supposed to be 45Mbit/sec? [12:46] wetinscotland: The Vaio and the week's worth of pizza and thrice` will do it for you. [12:47] or have I got my USB terminology wrong? [12:47] ha ha [12:47] if ur in the uk...u got a deal! [12:47] thrice`: looks like mr_patterson is your agent. :P [12:47] stunix (i=1000@80.239.44.253) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:47] mm, I don't think he can be trusted with the pizza :| [12:47] haha [12:47] probably not [12:47] fire|bird: And agents get a fee. [12:48] crack for the poor [12:48] I'd demand *two* pizzas and dump the Vaio [12:48] dominos double-decadance with spicy beef...mmmmm [12:48] oh, I have got it wrong. "full speed" is 12Mbit/sec, "high speed" is 45... still, I'm getting less than half the "full speed" [12:48] mr_patterson: alright, 3 pieces of pizza, no more, no less. :P [12:48] wamty (n=macret@77.42.228.38) joined ##slackware. [12:48] and I don't get why it's showing up as a USB 1.1. device, it's in a USB 2 port, and it was made recently enough that I can't believe it doesn't support USB 2 [12:49] I agree, though; it'd be neat if Pat or (cough) rworkman put up some 4.3.1 goodies 32-bit users too [12:49] so net-snmp doan like lmsensors 3, rh seems to make it work, but after their patch to snmp source, build still fails [12:49] yep, you got it backwards urch :P [12:49] fire|bird: 3 is plenty. They should last me about 2 weeks depending on how many bites I take each day. [12:49] thrice`: yeah, that'd be nice. I'm sure thankful vbatts shared his 4.3.1 64bit stuff. :) [12:49] thrice`, remember i compiled it for 32-bit :P [12:49] mr_patterson: alright, deal. :P [12:50] Necos: yeah, and it took you dang near a week. :P [12:50] Action: Camarade_Tux kidnaps fire|bird and asks for money [12:50] y0 Camarade_Tux [12:50] haha, you won't get much money for me. :P [12:50] net-snmp doesn't really support lmsensors 3 according to posts on their ml [12:50] fire|bird LOL [12:50] the 64bit repo works for 32bit? [12:50] anyone had the same problem? [12:50] fire|bird: I think I'll have to pay to get rid of you ;) [12:50] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Camarade_Tux: I agree. :P [12:51] wetinscotland: No [12:51] jeez..let me down gently mate [12:51] haha [12:51] Camarade_Tux: Good luck. That's like Bob asking Scrooge for an extra piece of coal. [12:51] y0 Camarade_Tux [12:51] hahahaha [12:52] mr_patterson: should I take that as a compliment or insult? :P [12:52] both, it should be orgasmic then [12:52] fire|bird: You are good at managing your finances. I suppose that's good. [12:52] \o/ [12:53] lol [12:53] fire|bird: (cheapass :) [12:53] lol [12:54] Tirili (n=Unknown@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:54] Necos: OK, do you have any insight into how to force a device to show up as USB 2.0? It really is supposed to support it, and it really is plugged into a USB port that does... [12:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:55] UrchLap, plug it in harder [12:55] WOW! [12:55] evening [12:55] y0 dive [12:55] That "wow" was more of a comment on how my mind works. [12:55] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:56] urch, not offhand... but my guess would be that it's a voltage issue [12:56] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] hey dive, how's it going? [12:56] Necos: hm. The thing has an internal battery, which it charges from the USB port whenever it's plugged in [12:56] fire|bird, grrr windows [12:56] apart from that fine [12:57] dive, windows trouble? [12:57] I could use me linux skillz at work today \o/ [12:57] slacknode (n=Slacknod@32.150.85.29) joined ##slackware. [12:57] great fun [12:57] slackytude|evil, yeah. Trying to limit shares to a laptop that isn't seen at all by main box [12:58] dive, not seen in network neighbourhood? [12:58] nope [12:58] dive, same subnet? no win server? [12:58] yeah same subnet [12:58] both trying to be master browser.... [12:58] yeah, but i've found that if you're using things like usb extension cables, it'll drop the voltage [12:59] it's a simple arrangement, just one box with the files, and several laptops [12:59] the election system of windows samba system is totally idiotic [12:59] wetinscotland (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-aktunjphauqlzsiq) left ##slackware. [12:59] dive, its best you dont care about. I guess accessing by IP still works? [12:59] I wonder if firewall on laptop would somehow be blocking it from showing in network..? [13:00] could be if you block netbios [13:00] stunix (i=1000@80.239.44.253) joined ##slackware. [13:00] slackytude|evil, no idea what the ip would be for laptop though each time it starts up. I don't have pass for router yet so can't really assign anything [13:00] are ya urchlay? [13:01] I got until sunday to get as much info on what problem could be [13:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [13:01] dive, you should be able to get IP by nbtstat -a [13:01] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [13:01] dive, I'd probably disable the master browser election process on all but one machine [13:01] I really want to be able to put in something like //Laptop/Users [13:02] try to get it working by ip first [13:03] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: "Leaving." [13:03] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:04] dive, how many machines are that? [13:04] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.210.144.103) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] Action: deco is failing miserably at building amarok 2.2beta1 [13:05] there's one xp desktop which is the main box with files to share, then there are 1 vista laptop and 2 linux laptops [13:05] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:07] at the moment though I just have to get the vista laptop working with it. I have the two nix boxes at home for a couple of weeks and they wouldn't know what to do with them even if they had them [13:07] heh [13:07] laptop can see shares but access is denied [13:08] unless I share for everyone [13:08] which is a bit bad [13:08] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [13:08] dive, try #windows [13:08] I'm in there [13:08] yoyo slackytude|evil [13:09] dive, ah [13:09] Camarade_Tux, you are quick today [13:09] xover (n=rich@host86-152-49-116.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:10] slackytude|evil: don't worry, I'll be away in a minute and won't be back before a pretty long time ;) [13:10] sahk0 (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] wamty (n=macret@77.42.228.38) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:13] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: "Leaving" [13:14] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: [13:14] no lies at all [13:14] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Necos: heh, it's PEBKAC. This laptop only ever did USB 2.0 when I had a PCMCIA USB 2.0 adaptor (the built-in ports are 1.1 only) [13:15] haha [13:16] well I sort-of remembered it doing USB 2 before, and I was sort-of right [13:16] the adaptor I still have, but I lost its power supply (it needed its own power supply, which made it kinda annoying for a laptop anyway) [13:19] lee555J5 (n=irchon@166.137.7.136) joined ##slackware. [13:20] ivenkys_ (n=ivenkys@unaffiliated/ivenkys) joined ##slackware. [13:20] figabo_ (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [13:21] fire|bird: that's it i gave up lol :P [13:21] deco: hahaha, quitter. :P [13:21] deco: If I get it figured out, I'll let you know. [13:22] fire|bird: thanks :) [13:22] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:23] ross` (n=ross@67.52.47.70) joined ##slackware. [13:23] hey i have a guitar [13:23] and a cord [13:23] and a little thign that makes it so i can stick my guitar cable into my microphone port [13:23] can i have my guitar a keyboard [13:23] i mean it should be fairly simple [13:23] computer keyboard [13:23] not musc keyoard [13:24] deco: Just imagine, if this was on any certain other distro (*cough* Ubuntu *cough*) It'd be apt-get install amarok and then watch all the mess it'd create. :P [13:24] fire|bird: wouldn't that be a sight :P *shrugs* [13:25] ross`: I don't think that is at all possible. [13:25] firebird [13:25] pressing down [13:25] not playing the guitar [13:25] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] deco: yeah, for sure. You'd watch all the text scroll by (AHH, what's it doing with gnome :P) or, just to get a new amarok, it'd probably want to reinstall KDE. :P [13:26] ross`: I know what you mean. [13:26] fire|bird: hahahaha [13:26] deco: That would suck. :P [13:27] fire|bird: and to top it off it would problably install mono just for kicks :P [13:28] OH LORD [13:28] Yes my son? [13:28] Well, anything's possible. On Debian, to uninstall the swfdec flash stuff it tries to take gnome with it (and no, I don't just mean the gnome meta package) :P [13:29] rob0: hahaha [13:29] fire|bird: pwned :P [13:29] yup :) [13:30] agris (n=agris@mail.biko.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:30] fire|bird: wow that's just lame [13:30] fire|bird: that's why im gonna be a slacker for life :P [13:30] So, lord, err, rob0, is it true you're running an auto body shop in Seattle? [13:30] deco: ++ [13:31] gosh darn, even when trying to tell amarok NOT to use mysql, it still asks for mysql [13:31] fire|bird: yeah i tried that lol [13:31] lee555J5 (n=irchon@166.137.7.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] oh, wait, here we go. [13:31] sec [13:31] lee555J5 (n=irchon@166.137.7.136) joined ##slackware. [13:32] lee555J5 (n=irchon@166.137.7.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] ivenkys (n=ivenkys@unaffiliated/ivenkys) left irc: Connection timed out [13:33] argh, this is insane. [13:33] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] fire|bird: that's why i stopped , didn't want to mess up my day :P [13:33] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:34] johndee (n=id@93-81-119-48.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:36] deco: Well, I shall figure this out. I won't stop until I do. :) [13:36] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.54) left irc: Connection timed out [13:36] fire|bird: :) [13:38] Nick change: ivenkys_ -> ivenkys [13:39] Action: deco goes back to learning php [13:39] lol [13:40] :P [13:45] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: [13:45] john_dee (n=id@93-81-1-193.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4353.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] Nick change: johndee -> john_dee [13:47] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.217.38) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] firedix (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:49] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.168) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Oooo. fire|bird and firedix ... and we'll just leave it at that. [13:52] neonflux (n=mrjones@67.152.80.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:53] gaz_ (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] neonflux (n=mrjones@ip67-152-80-228.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] tooly (n=tooly@e178150047.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [13:56] hello [13:56] do somebody here, have problems with slackware13.0_64 and skype [13:57] at my system, just it couldn`t start [13:57] skype is 32bit only [13:57] need 32bit compat libs [13:57] alienBOB has a howto on his wiki [13:57] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:57] yet another reason not to bother with 64... [13:59] e01: : 'couldn't start' is too vague to provide any kind of assistance [14:00] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) joined ##slackware. [14:00] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] mr_patterson: hahaha [14:01] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:01] jekkt_ (n=jekkt@p548A5822.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] when i try to start skype from konsole [14:01] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] it return message /usr/bin/skype: No such file or directory [14:01] but i have /usr/bin/skype [14:02] e01: : type 'file /usr/bin/skype' and show us the output [14:02] ls -ld /usr/bin/skype [14:02] my urxvt doesn't wrap lines, instead it just gives me a < at the beginning of the line and scrolls the buffer sideways. is there a way to change that? [14:02] Action: ananke guesses he has a 32 bit skype, and no 32 bit support [14:02] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] is it interesting to state on the resume, that after one have passed all the exams and tests to join air force, he did not want to? [14:02] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [14:03] ananke: That would tend to give a segfault, not a "file not found". [14:03] Alan_Hicks: nope, it wouldn't [14:03] ananke: in skype.com there are and 64 bits version, but it is for debian [14:03] try it. [14:03] :( [14:03] e01: : show us the result of that command [14:03] ananke: Really? [14:03] Alan_Hicks: yep. segfault means it would actually try to execute [14:04] e01 does `echo $PATH` returns /usr/bin ? [14:05] /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin [14:05] don't use backtick unless you want to execute your path :) [14:05] i think that problem isn`t in paths [14:05] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] e01: : i told you what to run. why aren't you providing us the output? [14:05] nsp (n=nsp@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [14:06] I just did updates on my 12.2 and lost my nvidia driver. [14:06] Not sure how to re-install it. [14:06] nsp, kernel update? [14:06] (kernel was updated. [14:06] Yes [14:06] nsp, needs a new module then [14:06] nsp, rerun the NVIDIA installer [14:07] ananke: do you with 64 bits version? [14:07] FWIW, I installed a 32-bit wine package and got the "file not found" on 64-bit slack 13.0 [14:07] nvidia-installer says: "no package found for installation" [14:08] I'd uninstall the existing NVIDIA first. [14:08] e01: do ls -l /usr/bin/skype [14:08] 32bit [14:08] deco: Well, with slack's mysql source in the dir with the amarok SlackBuild, etc. it starts to work, then I get another (different than before) mysql error. :P [14:08] I went to /usr/bin, wine was there, "file" told me what it was, but ./wine just gave "file not found" [14:08] metriccwrench: wellcome to the club [14:08] e01: : that sentence doesn't make sense in english. [14:08] mr_patterson, no need if he doesnt update nvidia [14:08] e01: yeah, I knew what was up, i just thought that was weird behavior [14:08] mr_patterson: install the existing NVIDIA? [14:08] slackytude|evil: Oh, same driver version? [14:09] e01, I already old you skype is 32bit only [14:09] mr_patterson, well, I assume so [14:09] Yeah, I think you are right, slackytude|evil [14:09] can anyone here tell me if urxvt is supposed to wrap long input lines? Mine scrolls the buffer to the right instead [14:09] e01: : again, type 'file /usr/bin/skype' and show us the output [14:09] nsp, get the NVIDIA stuff again from the nvidia site then [14:09] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [14:10] slackytude|evil: Oh ok. I'll switch to nv and re-download from nvidia.com [14:10] sounds like a plan. [14:10] skype: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [14:10] nsp, aye, matey [14:10] oh, isnt it speak like a pirate day soon? [14:11] Oh, but as I remember, the nv driver doesn't seem to run this 6800. [14:11] I see its a 32bit app, oh my [14:11] I get to be Captain Jack Sparrow this time! [14:11] so.. may not be an option, (switching beack to nv) [14:11] e01: with try sh command instead ./ [14:11] hummmm..... [14:11] nsp, you could also stay outside of X and use links [14:11] nsp, or lynx [14:11] nsp, or wget [14:11] Maybe... yes lynx [14:11] I'll try that. [14:11] how does sh help execute an incompatible elf? [14:12] links -g even has pictures ^-^ [14:12] e01@ma3x:~/skype-2.1.0.47$ file ./skype [14:12] ./skype: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [14:12] e01@ma3x:~/skype-2.1.0.47$ ./skype [14:12] Channel flood from e01 -- kicking [14:12] bash: ./skype: No such file or directory [14:12] e01 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:12] see [14:12] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Client Quit [14:12] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Thirtytude. [14:12] ? [14:13] e01: : see. you have a 32 bit version [14:13] SlackWeird: did you see what i pasted [14:13] mancha: i was thinking of ./ unrecognized syntax [14:14] okay that the question is how can i run skype in slackware 64 [14:14] need 32bit_compat libs for that [14:14] People told that a few times now eldragon [14:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] e01 [14:14] Stupid tab completion [14:15] slack64 should start shipping with multilib [14:15] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [14:15] thats pat's call [14:15] not my call? damn. [14:15] pat and alienBOB [14:16] mancha: I don't think so tbh. [14:16] BP, howcome? [14:17] does anyone know how to make my urxvt wrap long input lines? [14:17] mancha: because I like having a pure 32bit and 64bit version. Slackware is already multilib ready. So if as an admin you need it, you cna figure out how to do it. it's not, as they say at NASA, rocketscience to do so. [14:18] Why should it start shipping with multilib? Multilib is extremely easy to install yourself. I've used alienBOB's multilib packages/howto and it's very easy and he's documented it very well. [14:18] david_ (n=david@239.pool80-102-164.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [14:18] nsp (n=nsp@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:18] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:18] Why encourage use of 32bit apps on a 64bit system. [14:18] BP{k}: exactly, and figuring out how is not that hard. [14:19] i see no benefit from the purity, and as for encouraging, you're not, you're increasing flexibility, and as we know right now some proprietary blobs are only 32 bits [14:19] nsp (n=nsp@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Good points on both sides. I won't ship with multilibs, though. Make it so. [14:20] a 64 bit app won't get confused by the mongrel system, it'll still be a pedigree [14:20] mancha: and i see no benefit from the muiltilib. [14:20] Having a hard time navigating nvidia.org with lynx [14:20] here's one, say you want to run skype to talk to you friends and don't want to wait until 2010 for the 64 bit port [14:20] i can come up with more [14:20] mancha: "freinds"? [14:21] nsp, links -g [14:21] friends*. [14:21] Action: BP{k} wonders where one can buy those. ;) [14:21] in the big blue room with the big bright light [14:21] an oz outfit sells them for $0.18 a pop [14:21] but they sell in bulk, you have to buy 100 friends (or was it 1000) [14:21] mancha: and they come in 64bit? [14:21] they're multilib [14:22] hehehe [14:22] grekkos, try 'set horizontal-scroll-mode On' in ~/.inputrc [14:22] grekkos, or in fact off perhaps [14:23] I would be happy to see my multilib gcc and glibc packages in Slackware officially, and perhaps the compat32-tools package as well. But No more than that. If people need 32bit libraries, it is very easy to convert a 32bit Slackware package for use on Slackware64 [14:23] dive: thanks i'll give that a try [14:23] http://www.canada.com/technology/science/Facebook+friends+sale/1958702/story.html [14:23] With the multilib-capable gcc/glibc your system will be 64bit "enough" [14:23] links cannot open /dev/svga [14:24] hummmm..... [14:24] dive: xrdb -load after that? [14:24] ivenkys (n=ivenkys@unaffiliated/ivenkys) left irc: Connection timed out [14:24] ? [14:24] nsp, slackware 13.0? [14:24] grekkos, no need I think [14:24] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:24] Well, that's an idea... I guess. [14:24] grekkos, just reopen the terminal [14:25] nsp, svga no longer uses the kernel module in 13.0. It helper should be set off in /etc/vga/libvga.config [14:25] I was about to take this machine over to my sister's for her to use and decided to do updates first... guess that was a mistake. It's going to be quite a project now.. [14:25] dive: Oh that was a question.. no. using 12.2 [14:25] dive: that didn't work [14:26] I suppose I could use another computer. [14:26] nsp, which nvidia driver you need? [14:26] grekkos, that's the only option I know about for long lines [14:26] nsp, I give you the url so you can wget it [14:26] I have a Geforce 6800 [14:26] right [14:27] dive: it works perfectly fine on konsole, just not urxvt [14:27] slackytude|evil: Yea, that would be great. [14:27] nsp, the svgalib_helper module was broke for a while in 12.2. Try uncommenting the NoHelper setting in libvga.config [14:27] nsp, could take a moment, Im err downloading vital documents atm [14:27] slackytude|evil: Ok... [14:28] alienBOB: can you make package of skype for 64 bits version of slackware 13.0 [14:28] No [14:28] e01, no, its properitary [14:28] Just use the 32bit package [14:28] if it wasnt, there wouldnt be a problem [14:28] And install my set of Slackware64 multilib packages too [14:29] e01, skype is not open source, alien will have to wait for the skype devs just like everyone else [14:29] the day slackware injects 32-bit libraries, just for SKYPE.. *puke* [14:29] grekkos, it works fine here [14:29] nsp, actually, could have used vesa, as well. nvidia.com loaded now [14:29] huh :) may be will not be alive when they decide to make the code opensource [14:29] i imagine that's a top priority for them though, so maybe by xmas you can be talking to BP's friends with full 64 bit addressing! [14:29] dive: are you using urxvt also? [14:29] yes [14:30] what version do you have [14:30] slackytude|evil: Yea, I'll try vesa [14:30] when I type in past one line it scrolls up and continues on the next [14:30] rxvt-unicode-9.06-i686-2_SBo [14:31] hmm [14:31] I didn't use slackbuilds on mine since the site was down when i was installing [14:31] maybe i should try to remove it and install with slack builds [14:31] vt) v9.06 - released: 2008-06-15 [14:31] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] urxvt* [14:32] Action: thrice` thinks xap/rxvt should be axed for urxvt :> [14:33] is urxvt supposed to source ~/.profile by default? [14:33] hmmm not sure about that thrice. It is nice to have something to fall back on when you bork something in urxvt settings and it won't load [14:33] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) joined ##slackware. [14:33] also there is the libAfterImage bug [14:33] grekkos: that's more a shell thing; urxvt options are ~/.Xdefaults [14:33] Nick change: Wescotte_ -> Wescotte [14:33] when you set an icon in urxvt it segfaults on close [14:33] thrice`: so i can set my PS1 there? [14:34] pen1234 (n=19736@ppp-202-176-173-154.revip.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [14:34] grekkos, no .bashrc for that, or .bash_profile [14:34] grekkos if it is like its ancestor, try urxvt +ls [14:35] ah ok [14:36] david_ (n=david@239.pool80-102-164.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Leaving" [14:36] ahm.. [14:36] i am going to install 32bits version [14:36] this 64 isn`t for end user [14:37] its slackware [14:37] or was that -ls (always forget) [14:37] mancha, dive thanks i set urxvt*loginShell: true in my Xdefaults [14:37] yep, that the xresources way for all... i think the -ls flag will work too [14:39] and there's no way to force reading of the inputrc file to make sure that it's working? [14:40] make sure what is working? [14:40] make sure that the inputrc is being read [14:40] well is your .bash_profile getting sourced? [14:41] mancha: now it is [14:41] then it worked [14:43] i wana buy the internet a present [14:43] basictracks (n=peter@212-182-139-194.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:43] basictracks (n=peter@212-182-139-194.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [14:43] Lexus (n=alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [14:43] y0 nix_chix0r [14:43] nix_chix0r, how are you today? [14:43] hey nix_chix0r, how's it going? [14:43] awesome woke up with out an alarm [14:43] chillin on the couch with the baby [14:43] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:44] good good [14:44] nix_chix0r: if you have a baby you don't need an alarm [14:44] probally will call in sick today because i have a sore throat and congestion all to hell [14:44] brb [14:44] sudafed doesn't work for me, and i took some day quill as well [14:45] too bad i don't have any wasabi that would clear my nose for a while [14:46] slacknode (n=Slacknod@32.150.85.29) left irc: [14:46] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.128.92) joined ##slackware. [14:46] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [14:46] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) joined ##slackware. [14:48] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) left irc: Client Quit [14:48] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) joined ##slackware. [14:50] hi all [14:51] http://www.thaiadpoint.com/tap8.1/bin/redir.php?p=2042&l=1357&u_id=363435 [14:51] Lucas__ (n=Lucas@user-0c2ic8r.cable.earthlink.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:52] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@ppp-202-176-173-154.revip.asianet.co.th' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:52] pen1234 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Go play on the railroad tracks, spammer. [14:52] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] hahaha railroad tracks [14:53] I'm having some trouble trying to install ati drivers for mobility radeon x1400, could any tell me which one is the last known driver to work? [14:53] Problem trying to install, or installed but problems loading the mod? [14:54] trying to install [14:54] Cann0n (i=1337@dialup-4.91.102.234.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] btw its on Slackware64 13 [14:54] hey [14:54] hey Cann0n [14:54] nsp (n=nsp@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:54] sup fire|bird? [14:55] just building amarok 2.1.80 [14:55] you? [14:55] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:55] apn (n=apn@194.217.4.175) left irc: "Master_of_the_universe out" [14:55] just got back from a 6 mile skate. This little teen bout hit me. she failed to look both ways before she pulled out of the gas station. O_o she came about 5 inches from taking out my legs [14:56] im still on amarok 1.4 [14:56] yikes [14:56] fire|bird: any luck ? :P [14:56] deco: yup, it's building. [14:56] fatherx not sure about x1400 but you might be in that terrible no-mans land [14:56] fire|bird: :O [14:56] i.e. new driver doesn't support card, old driver doesn't work on new kernel [14:57] deco: I'll paste the slackbuild I used. I just modified slack's slackbuild. [14:57] Amarok is really a nice program. [14:57] fire|bird: thanks dude ! :D [14:57] deco: So, you need the slackbuild, and slack-desc, etc. that slackware has, then you need the mysql source in that same dir (the xz file from ap/) [14:57] fatherx: Yeah, I don't even see that card supported on ati.com [14:57] fire|bird: oh that easy eh ? :P [14:57] deco: yup. :P [14:58] fatherx: im using the radeon driver with a mobile x300 b/c i couldnt get the ati one to build, and it's running just fine. getting between 700 and 900 fps with glxgears [14:58] 0_0 ok, [14:58] thank you all [14:58] mr_patterson: yeah, it is a nice app, I've been using xmms lately, but it looks like amarok 2.1.80 has made some improvements, so I'm going to try it, it's in beta stage. [14:58] fire|bird: can't waite to see vidoe clips :P [14:58] how big is the source for amarok 2.1? [14:59] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] mag0o is that the one driver that comes with the installation cd? [14:59] Cann0n: 7.9M [14:59] driver|mod? [14:59] fire|bird: for version did you specify 2.2 or 2.1.80 ? [15:00] deco: 2.1.80 [15:00] fire|bird: ok [15:00] yes fatherx [15:01] and its running @ 1400x1050 on my laptop [15:01] ok [15:01] thank you again, ill give it a try [15:01] you're welcome [15:01] deco: have fun: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/EdWhzz80.html [15:02] fire|bird: yay thanks! sure will :D [15:02] fire|bird: damn. thats a 5 hour wait [15:03] Cann0n: nah gimp is like 20mb something and it took like almost an hour on my old laptop [15:03] so msft just patched their 375-day tcp exploit? :> [15:03] Cann0n: haha, dial-up ftw!!! :P [15:04] fire|bird: Especially if you're using KDE anyway :) [15:04] Nick change: jigp_ -> jigp [15:04] mr_patterson: haha, yeah. [15:04] mr_patterson: Looking at the screenshots, I *think* they got rid of those huge play, etc. buttons in this beta version. [15:05] fire|bird: Yeah, I didn't like those much ;-) [15:05] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [15:05] mr_patterson: me either, that was a poor design decision. :P [15:06] It looked like the "'Tiny Tikes" version [15:06] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [15:06] hahaha, yeah, it sure did. [15:06] deco: i mean dial up. [15:06] Cann0n: oh i thought you ment building time :P [15:07] i'm on a 2.8ghz just a 230,400 baud rate dial up modem. >.< [15:07] i love compiling software. It's relaxing to me. Gives me time te cealn my skate bearings [15:07] fire|bird: what exactly did you change on the script ? i really don't see any changs :P [15:07] changes* [15:07] s/cealn/clean [15:07] deco: haha, mostly the mysql stuff, like tar.bz2 to .xz, etc. very minor, but that's what got it working. [15:08] fire|bird: ah yes didn't really see that :P [15:08] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@141.100.40.117) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:08] yeah, I didn't have to change much, just enough. :P [15:08] fire|bird: that'ts good :P [15:08] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] y0 agentc0re|work [15:09] sup homie? [15:09] just building amarok 2.1.80. you? [15:09] eatting lunch finally. [15:10] cool [15:10] still having people with new phone system issues? :P [15:10] david_ (n=david@239.pool80-102-164.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:10] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:11] hi, can help me in spanish please [15:11] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A761DA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] david_: ##slackware-es [15:11] wb slackytude|evil [15:12] yes but i talk in spanish channel, but the people not respond [15:12] sorry me english isn-t good [15:12] david_: Well, your english seems good to me. What is your question? [15:12] david_: That's because your Spanish is not good. [15:12] :P [15:13] ah okey [15:13] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl15-170.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:14] greetings Lord_Khelben [15:14] hello everyone [15:14] david_, ##slackware-es es ahora [15:14] slamd64 == dead? [15:14] watch, i need executee a comand for give sound to tremulous, is a game. but for this command need root permissions [15:14] hello fire|bird [15:14] firedix: he tried there. [15:14] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-067-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Lord_Khelben: How's it going? [15:15] the comands are in a script tremsound.sh [15:15] david_: add yourself to the "audio" group (aсade tu usuario al grupo "audio") [15:15] anybody have an idea how once can tell if a cd-r media is blank programmatically? [15:15] rg3 i know sorry [15:15] fire|bird: nice.how about you [15:15] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-152-191-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Lord_Khelben: doing great, thank you. :) [15:15] SiegeX: cdrecord -toc [15:15] SiegeX: Yeah, try to mount it. Try to read it with dd, etc. [15:15] Hey Alan_Hicks, how's it going? [15:16] fire|bird: Slowly. [15:16] lol [15:16] i need the comans needed to put the root password in the tremulous sound script [15:16] That seems to always be the case, doesn't it? :P [15:16] for example [15:16] Action: rob0 tries to mount it [15:16] david_: something like su -c "command" ? [15:16] im getting: Xlib: extension "ATIFGLRXDRI" missing on display ":0.0". for the glxinfo | grep 'direct, can anyone point me to the right direction [15:16] the best solution though is to find why it needs root permissions just for sound [15:16] rob0: [ in bed ] [15:17] i'm guessing it's about mmapping the sound devices [15:17] Action: fire|bird runs :) [15:17] Lord_Khelben: heh i just found that damn option after 10mins of browsing and I turn around and there it is. Thanks [15:17] su passwordhahahaha echo "tremulous.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss [15:17] Alan_Hicks: mount seems to gives me return val 32 on a blank cdr when i mount it [15:17] SiegeX: -toc prints the toc (track information) and atip mentions brand and stuff information [15:17] understand [15:18] fire|bird: it's never ending... [15:18] david_: put the commands without the "su" part in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, and it will prepare the sound devices when the system boots [15:18] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] agentc0re|work: lol, I bet not. [15:18] fire|bird: LD t1 service decided to take a nap.. [15:18] that sucks [15:18] it got tired... [15:19] i never get tired. [15:19] deco: 32% done with the build here. :P [15:19] Cann0n == Chuck Norris ? [15:19] fatherx: http://pastebin.ca/1560138 thats what works for my mobile x300 [15:19] fire|bird: how in the hell do you have a % for a SBo? [15:20] Lord_Khelben: Close, im cloned from a single beard hair that took them centuries to remove... [15:20] agentc0re|work: It's amarok (slackware's slackbuild) and it uses Cmake and Cmake gives a percent (so, it's a rough estimate) [15:20] fire|bird: oh cool. didn't know that about cmake. [15:21] yeah cmake by default prints progress report [15:21] yup, and it's nice that it does. It gives you an idea at least of how much is left of the build. [15:21] if bruce banner gets angry he becomes hulk. if hulk gets angry he becomes chuck norris [15:21] but it is windows (TM) progress report [15:21] magoo, he might have overwreitten stuff with his failed fglrx install [15:21] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:21] it can take two hours to go from 20% to 30% and then go to 90% in 30 secs [15:21] fire|bird: that's gonna take a while *sigh* :P im just downloading the mysql source right now [15:22] deco: haha [15:22] If Norris gets angry, then what? He becomes Alan_Hicks? [15:22] lol [15:22] norris doesn't need to get angry [15:22] he usually round house kicks someone [15:22] he kicks butt while staying perfectly calm [15:22] Lord_Khelben: nope, even when he's beating the crap out of someone, he's calm as can be. :P [15:22] or steals ladies purses. [15:23] only steven seagal beats chuck norris to that :P [15:23] he is even more calm [15:23] agentc0re|work: Didn't you do that for a while until the police caught you? :P [15:23] aaah okey rg3 good idea, thankyou verymuch heheh [15:23] bye [15:23] bye david_ [15:23] david_ (n=david@239.pool80-102-164.dynamic.orange.es) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:24] fire|bird: No, i just stole ladies. [15:24] haha [15:24] agentc0re|work: Ah, so it was kidnapping charges? :) [15:24] No, the pimp police came and stole my stolen goods. [15:24] hahaha [15:24] Thats when i figured it was time to get out. [15:24] rg3: remind me to dcc send you a pack of beers :) slackroll rocks [15:25] Lord_Khelben: any special achievement? :) [15:25] fire|bird: 3% done! Yay! [15:25] agentc0re|work: You didn't have that train track style beard at that time, did you? :P [15:25] Cann0n: \o/ [15:25] nah the usual usage.i just saw your nick and thought to mention it [15:25] fire|bird: damn i failed, so i need the others files that are in the mysql source directory ? [15:25] Lord_Khelben: hehe, thanks! :D [15:25] deco: from the mysql src dir, you just need the .xz file. [15:26] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-172-115-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] fire|bird: hmmm damn that's what i did [15:26] deco: YOU FAIL. :P [15:27] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-31-122-189.hers.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] fire|bird: don't make me cry now :P [15:27] lol [15:28] fire|bird: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/VPhma417.html [15:28] deco: ok, so you're using the slackbuild I pasted, you have that, the slack-desc file, local.options file, doinst.sh.gz, and mysql source in the same directory? [15:29] Wow, there's been a hijacked plane in Mexico (Cancun) and their claiming there's explosives on the plane and they're threatening to blow it up. [15:29] 104 people on the plane [15:29] fire|bird: yup, but i changed the version number in local.options [15:30] deco: to 2.1.80, right? [15:30] fire|bird: yeah news thinks the people that took the plain hostage are from bolivia [15:30] fire|bird: yup [15:30] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] deco: yeah, I just put the news on about it. 3 hijackers. [15:31] fire|bird: that's so weird , first time ever in mexico [15:31] yeah [15:31] They're starting to let some people off the plane now. [15:32] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [15:32] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix3.panix.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:32] MarderIII (n=MarderII@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [15:32] fire|bird: they are demanding to talk to the president [15:32] yeah [15:33] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:33] 100 people were released and got on buses. [15:33] that's good [15:33] hm good result. 100 out of 104 released [15:33] yeah, still 4 people on there though. [15:33] I'm guessing the 4 are probably flight crew, etc. [15:33] pilot, etc. [15:34] yeah [15:34] Action: Cann0n is still waiting on his download. [15:34] 78% \o/ [15:34] fire|bird: it has been confirmed that it was only 1 guy that took the plain hostage [15:34] plane * [15:35] fire|bird: what are you compiling ? [15:35] Lord_Khelben: amarok 2.1.80 [15:35] beta [15:35] ah ok [15:35] deco: ah, ok. Which news station are you watching (just curious) [15:35] fire|bird: spanish channel in the usa [15:35] Ah, ok. [15:35] deco: ok, I found that one, but I don't know spanish. :P [15:36] 104 have been released now [15:36] fire|bird: hehe :P [15:36] phew, thankfully. :) [15:36] :D [15:36] that's certainly good news. [15:37] they released them pretty quick. isn't that weird ? [15:37] very [15:37] They want to talk (the hijacker(s)) to the mexican president [15:38] fire|bird: grrrrr amarok keeps failing :( [15:38] cnn.com has video with a translator [15:38] fire|bird: Oh, you built/are building a beta version of Amarok [15:38] mr_patterson: yup [15:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] then take the guns and go visit the president. why terrorise 104/X innocent people [15:38] 87% done :D [15:38] fire|bird: :D [15:38] fire|bird: There's one small problem with the beta version. [15:38] mr_patterson: what's that? [15:39] deco: haha [15:39] josemanuel (n=josemanu@227.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:39] fire|bird: It doesn't start. Neither does it output anything useful. [15:39] mr_patterson: haha, you've tried it? [15:39] fire|bird: Just kidding [15:39] lol [15:39] Only said it because you're 87% done [15:39] i liked amarok one time i tried it but is nice if you have 1,000,000 songs in 5,000 albums [15:40] for my collection xmms is fine [15:40] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:40] nyRednek (n=yosi@68-25-155-128.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:40] Lord_Khelben: and, going by the screenshots, they got rid of those huge play, etc. buttons [15:40] deco: according to the news I'm watching, the pilot and crew are still on the plane. [15:40] all the passengers are out though [15:40] 1 million songs in only 5000 albums. Large albums? [15:40] fire|bird: but they are talking to the federal agents from the plain now [15:41] deco: yeah [15:41] mr_patterson: yeah that didn't read correct :P [15:41] Lord_Khelben: WOW, do you have that collection? [15:41] :P [15:41] fire|bird: That's only his children's songs. [15:41] lol [15:41] hostage audio playing [15:42] mr_patterson: Barney and Sesame Street? :P [15:42] 98% done \o/ [15:42] fire|bird: Yep. [15:42] fire|bird: damn wtf dude :P lol [15:42] lets see if it works or crashed like mr_patterson said :P [15:42] s/crashed/crashes/ [15:42] deco: The passengers didn't even know it was hijacked until the plane landed. [15:42] Lord_Khelben: hahah [15:42] Lord_Khelben: lol, yeah [15:43] fire|bird: yup [15:43] fire|bird: these hijackers are one of a kind [15:43] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [15:43] hijackers didn't even talk to the victims [15:44] Lord_Khelben: The news I'm watching says that during the flight, one of the hijackers (the news I'm watching says there are 3) was standing up in the plane and didn't ever identify as a hijacker. [15:44] \o/, It's done. [15:45] moment of truth [15:45] fire|bird: send me the package lol!!! [15:45] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-81-107-196-97.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Success [15:45] What? A plane was hijacked recently? [15:45] deco: lol [15:45] mr_patterson: yeah, right now, Mexico [15:45] fire|bird: we are waiting :) [15:45] mr_patterson: bolivian guy hijacked a mexican airplain [15:45] Action: fire|bird goes afk for a few hours to add suspense. :D [15:45] what are we waiting for? [15:45] :P [15:45] fire|bird: damn you :P [15:45] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [15:46] yay no work today [15:46] dive: I just finished building amarok 2.1.80 beta [15:46] hmmm resource hungry thing [15:46] fire|bird, bout time [15:46] figabo_ (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] deco: They are going to hold the flight crew until they can see the president. :P [15:46] fire|bird, anything diff? [15:46] nix_chix0r: lol [15:46] fire|bird: lol :P [15:46] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.210.144.103) joined ##slackware. [15:46] slackytude|evil: just installed it, don't know yet. [15:47] fire|bird deco : That's nuts. People are still pulling that, eh? :( [15:47] mr_patterson: first time ever in mexico [15:47] deco: like that'lll happen. [15:47] that'll * [15:47] oh right [15:47] fire|bird: Well fire up the Air Supply and tell us what's good about the beta version. [15:48] fire|bird: come on install it alredy :P [15:48] mr_patterson: ARGH, still tiny tikes edition. :P [15:48] deco: haha. It is running now. [15:48] Not much different at all. [15:48] last time I tried to use amarok it instsisted on listing all my files... twice [15:48] fire|bird: can you play youtube vids ? [15:49] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:49] deco: not sure yet, I'm checking it all out. [15:49] amarok plays flash now? [15:49] fire|bird: ewwww [15:49] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [15:49] mr_patterson: there's a video applet [15:49] i mean slackytude|evil there's a video applet [15:49] The left panel, where your music is listed that you can add to playlist from, etc. is a tad different designed, but nothing spectacular. [15:49] fire|bird: can you now fetch album covers? [15:50] deco: yeah, that I can do. [15:50] I'll just stick to Wine and iTunes. [15:50] Action: mr_patterson runs away. [15:50] fire|bird: great so they switched to last.fm :D [15:50] deco: there's an auto fetch album art option now. [15:50] Action: deco kicks mr_patterson [15:50] lol [15:50] fire|bird: oh nice :) [15:50] Action: slackytude|evil slaps mr_patterson [15:50] mr_patterson: :P [15:51] mr_patterson: you're going to have a lynch mob coming after you now. :P [15:51] Action: mr_patterson sends slackytude|evil a complimentary version of iTunes. [15:51] nooooooooo! [15:51] deco: I'm not seeing any youtube related anything, I'm still looking. [15:52] istoutgrill (n=kworrell@cpe-66-75-0-162.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] deco: I'll have to look into the youtube stuff more on their page and see if I can figure it out. [15:53] fire|bird: ok :P [15:53] deco: Where exactly had you seen youtube support? [15:53] fire|bird: amarok page [15:54] fire|bird: http://amarok.kde.org/files/amarok-video_photo_applets.png [15:54] deco: where at exactly? link? [15:54] ok [15:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] ah, ok, I see how it's working now from that ss, sec. [15:55] greetings Pig_Pen [15:55] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] hi fire|bird [15:55] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:55] y0 Pig_Pen [15:56] Pig_Pen, loved your noobfarm entry [15:56] hi slackytude|evil [15:56] deco: ok, seeing how that works now, I don't think it has youtube support just yet, unless there's some hidden setting for it. I'll look into it. :) [15:56] lol, yeah, happens to the best of us ;p [15:56] fire|bird: ok :) [15:57] deco: I see how it will work exactly though, but that video applet isn't installed though. [15:57] might be able to be added though [15:57] brb, going to a bowl of beans [15:58] deco: Oh, nope, my bad. found it. [15:58] fire|bird: plays video ? [15:59] deco: ok, here's how it works. You add the video applet, you start a song playing, it looks at the video sites and load videos for that song. [15:59] oh [15:59] thats kinda nifty [15:59] deco: not within itself, no. When you click a video, it opens it in the browser you choose. [15:59] party at my house ! bring the vics vapour rub and a box of kleenex [16:00] fire|bird: awwwwwwwwwwwww that sucks :P [16:00] well, default browser, so most likely FF [16:00] deco: lol, I'm sure that type of support will be there eventualy. [16:00] eventually. [16:00] fire|bird: the hijackers are arrested now they were 6 or 7 O_O [16:00] nix_chix0r: What kind of party is this? Take care of nix_chix0r? :P [16:00] hmm, which qt is this? [16:00] in Slack 13 [16:00] qt4 [16:00] 4.? [16:01] 4. do a ls /var/log/packagesqt4* ? :P [16:01] /var/log/packages/qt-r1008952-i486-1 [16:01] fire|bird, yeah we are both sickly beings [16:01] he went to wallgreens to get some meds [16:01] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-48.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Operation timed out [16:01] nix_chix0r: haha [16:01] he's sicker than me and wanted to go into work [16:01] so i called in and said he isn't :P [16:02] hahaha [16:02] I was trying to imagine what perverted things we could do with the vapour rub and the Kleenex. [16:02] lol [16:02] what kinda person turns down a free day at home [16:02] nix_chix0r, must be the fever [16:02] fire|bird: ill skip the beta now , thanks for testing it out for me :P haha [16:02] paid no less [16:02] it must be [16:02] deco: yw [16:02] nix_chix0r: a hard working person? :P [16:02] considering it's maybe 50 degrees here and he is sweating [16:03] Action: CaptObviousman is trying to track down qt's versioning [16:03] Action: deco deletes his amarok build directory [16:03] agentc0re|work: yeah, see I already tried that. I wouldn't have asked the question if it were that easy [16:03] Ret (n=Ret@pool-72-88-61-72.bflony.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] hey um [16:03] oh fire|bird baby does't like he sweet peas haha [16:03] CaptObviousman: ls /var/log/packages/qt :) [16:03] the* [16:03] can start the designer and look in the about section [16:03] if I download slack disk 1 can I just download everything else once it's installed? [16:03] Ret, yeah [16:04] deco: It also finds photos for the band you have playing and scrolls them. [16:04] fire|bird: yeah :) [16:04] nix_chix0r: haha, typical baby then. :) [16:04] I'm looking right at the package name, it does NOT have a 4.? in it [16:04] can someone link me a tut on how to install slack? :P im a newb [16:04] check /topic [16:04] look for slackbook [16:04] Ret: slackbook.org [16:05] nothings better than slackbook.org :D [16:05] except ice crea [16:05] CaptObviousman: if it's slackware 13, it's a pull from kde's qt branch, which was 4.5.1 [16:05] thrice`: ah, ok thanks [16:05] that's what I was looking for [16:05] slackytude|evil: kittehs [16:06] X - The base X Window System. [16:06] whut? whu? [16:06] is this the XFCe interface? [16:06] no -_- [16:06] no [16:06] Ret: have you ever used linux before ? [16:06] its the X server [16:06] X != Xfce [16:06] Yeah just not slack >.< [16:06] if you run any qt application (like qtconfig) it says the version [16:06] yes its 4.5.1 [16:07] Ret: what distro ? [16:07] Debian [16:07] (lenny) [16:07] really ? [16:07] on windows right now though [16:07] and yeah [16:07] Action: CaptObviousman doesn't have Slack 13 installed yet, but needed to know for mythtv [16:07] X is the server , kde, gnome, xfce and the lot sit on op of it [16:07] which requires qt 4.4 [16:07] or greater [16:08] ahh [16:08] deco: why do you ask? [16:08] Ret: be aware that there's no official support of gnome [16:08] deco: Well, I do like this version of amarok. :) [16:08] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:08] deco: i hate gnome; looking for whichever disk will let me install Slack and XFCE :P [16:08] fire|bird: :) , i would if i can ever install it ;P lol [16:08] Ret: ok good :P [16:08] Ret: just get the dvd and install everything [16:09] Ret: but really do read the slackware book before you do [16:09] My DVD drive literally melted last night [16:09] yay! another gnome hater [16:09] so im trying to find the right CD's :P [16:09] melted? [16:09] yeah [16:09] burned a dvd, did you [16:09] iono wtf happened [16:09] its just called burning [16:09] you dont really burn them [16:09] i lol'd [16:10] but I woke up with the plastic parts melted and the screws all messed up [16:10] fire|bird: damn it i don't know what's wrong ... i got all the files from the amarok folder and i got mysql source and your slackbuild script [16:10] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:10] deco, you need some pixie dust as well [16:11] deco: you just fail. :P [16:11] slackytude|evil: sprinkle some in the channel ^^ [16:11] dont have any ( [16:11] :( [16:12] doesn't he also need happy thoughts besides the pixie dust ? [16:12] slackytude|evil: bad bad bad pixie [16:12] fire|bird: i guess :( [16:12] Lord_Khelben, depends what you build [16:12] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) joined ##slackware. [16:12] deco: run tree /path/to/directory/with/this/stuff/in/it and pastebin it. [16:12] fire|bird: ok leeme download them all over again because i deleted all lol :P [16:12] anyone wanna hear something ironic? [16:13] Ret: no [16:13] deco: OMG, WHY? WHY? WHY? :P [16:13] fire|bird: don't ask please im mad :P [16:13] john_dee (n=id@93-81-69-171.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:13] lol [16:13] y0 john_dee [16:13] I find it ironic that you are asking if anyone wants to hear something on IRC. [16:13] haha [16:13] whazup fire|bird :D [16:13] Alan_Hicks: that just blow my mind [16:13] john_dee: Just built amarok 2.1.80 :) [16:13] Hey [16:13] Alan [16:13] :( [16:14] Action: deco gets back to amarok [16:14] john_dee: you? [16:14] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: No route to host [16:14] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [16:15] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [16:15] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [16:15] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) left irc: Client Quit [16:16] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [16:16] fire|bird, what for? it fails since it became version 2 %) [16:16] fire|bird: another hater :P [16:16] john_dee: haha, it's not bad. :) [16:16] fire|bird, ahh. bringing all equipment back online after less than a minute power outage :E [16:16] john_dee: although they still have those huge buttons for play, etc. [16:17] gawd [16:17] demolition man is an awful movie [16:17] fire|bird, the buttons is where i start hating it :D [16:17] slackytude|evil: the one with stallone ? [16:17] aye [16:18] john_dee: yeah, as mr_patterson mentioned, it's the Tiny Tikes version of amarok. :P [16:18] fire|bird, and overall experience is awful compared to version 1 [16:18] aren't all stallone movies awful (except copland) ? [16:18] Action: john_dee dreams of foobar2000 for *nix [16:18] Lord_Khelben, hello? rambo? [16:18] ah yes i forgot rambo:first blood [16:18] tango and cash [16:18] john_dee: That would be AWESOME. Start porting it. :P [16:18] the other 3 rambos were awful [16:19] fire|bird, lol. yeah. as if it was open source :) [16:19] lol [16:19] john_dee: That is a great app though. [16:19] Action: Lord_Khelben googles foobar2000 [16:19] Lord_Khelben: An Awesome audio app for Windows. [16:19] josemanuel (n=josemanu@227.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:19] like winamp ? [16:19] highly configurable too. [16:20] Lord_Khelben: better ;-) [16:20] eh, not so much no, better than winamp [16:20] fire|bird, that runs in wine pretty smooth. but as i'm not using linux for my primary desktop, i'm fine with whatever works [16:20] john_dee: What ARE you using as your primary desktop? Me shutters to here the word Windows. :P [16:21] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-27-90.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:21] oh wait, I know this flick [16:21] it aint that bad [16:21] fire|bird: done http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/DX3dsG92.html [16:21] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [16:22] john_dee: tbh, I contemplated putting windows 7 on my laptop just to mess around with it on actual hardware instead of in a VM. :P [16:22] deco: ok, and you're using the slackbuild I posted? :P [16:22] fire|bird: yes :P [16:23] what error do you get ? [16:23] deco: ok, having downloaded everything again, try building it. [16:23] fire|bird, maybe so. but what that lyrics, wiki and other bloat tabs are there for? i mean, amarok2. maybe you have it setup really nice? :) don't mind a screen then ;) [16:23] Lord_Khelben: It complains about libmysqld.a [16:23] fire|bird: i tried it already here's the error i get http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/XLnmhs33.html [16:24] john_dee: haha, yeah, I haven't configured it to any degree, but those tabs, etc can easily be removed. [16:24] amarok is nice [16:24] fire|bird: Is Windows 7 still free to download now? [16:24] stop the diss [16:24] mr_patterson, nope [16:24] :( [16:24] mr_patterson: you know you can use other means... [16:24] :P [16:24] john_dee: This version adds photos and video clips. When a song is playing, it finds video clips and photos of the band and shows them to be able to view. [16:24] fire|bird, well, yeah, win7 mostly. tho, writing from slack64 atm. was testing ut2004 64-bit binaries %) [16:25] Action: fire|bird calls the authorities on deco :P [16:25] deco: ;) [16:25] fire|bird: what huh ? :P [16:25] john_dee: yeah, Win7, I have to admit, is amazing, they did a good job on that one. [16:25] deco: One sec, I'm just logging your IP and making a report. [16:25] deco: lol [16:25] haha [16:25] deco: :D [16:25] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) left irc: Client Quit [16:25] mr_patterson: lol :P [16:25] slack question? [16:25] it is quite good [16:26] fire|bird, audacious seems the most reasonable choice :p songbird is nice, but too hungry for ram. and i don't need a browser in a music player %) [16:26] slackytude|evil: Windows 7 is quite good? [16:26] slackytude|evil: yeah, it really is. That's why it'd be nice to mess around with it on real hardware. [16:26] fire|bird, nevermind that it's vista 2.0 it's okay :p [16:26] i've got a small problem (sic!) after downgrading slack from 13 to 12.2 [16:26] mr_patterson, yes, best os from ms [16:26] before the mysql thing it says "configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub -slackware-linux failed". isn't that significant ? [16:26] xorg refuses to run [16:26] john_dee: yeah, but vista 2.0 is better than 1.0 :P [16:26] "best os from ms", faint praise that is! [16:26] o/ hi [16:26] winter: what error does it print [16:26] figabo_ (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [16:26] john_dee: yeah, I've been using xmms lately. [16:26] can i count on some help? [16:27] refuses to run isn't helpful [16:27] y0 lf4 [16:27] i'll show you teh log [16:27] winter: define help [16:27] winter: What does "downgrade" mean? [16:27] hey slackytude|evil Whats up? [16:27] define downgrade [16:27] :) [16:27] fire|bird, totally true. that's why everyone likes it. because it's a bit better that slow-ass vi$ta (which is still that way after 2 service packs) [16:27] lf4, just watching some stallone flick. and chatting. you? [16:27] s/that/than [16:27] oh, now? [16:27] winter: well if only Quiznos was here to help with that, but well he's kinda gone... [16:27] john_dee: yeah, they did good work on 7. [16:27] winter: most likely something went wrong in the downgrade. why did you go to 12.2 from 13.0 in the first place ? [16:28] yes [16:28] chopp: hahaha [16:28] fire|bird, isn't it unsupported for a long time? [16:28] slackytude|evil: Nice, I just woke up [16:28] lolg -> http://pastebin.com/m51dcc678 [16:28] lf4, cool ^-^ [16:28] slackytude|evil: I might have to buy it, if it doesn't cost an arm and a leg (Windows 7) [16:28] lol slackytude|evil Yeah I want to get my laptop working. [16:28] john_dee: unsupported? [16:29] lf4, make it so! [16:29] john_dee: not sure what exactly you mean there, sorry. :P [16:29] slackytude|evil: Grown used to XP, though. [16:29] mr_patterson, cant stand xp anymore [16:29] lf4: toss Windows 7 on there. :P [16:29] it needs to go [16:29] Action: fire|bird runs away [16:29] fire|bird: i have officially given up :P [16:29] fire|bird: ok :D [16:29] fire|bird, xmms. i thought last version was out like 2-3 years ago [16:29] slackytude|evil: yeah, for sure. [16:29] john_dee: :P, yeah, it hasn't had any work for a while, but it still works. [16:29] john_dee: xmms still uses gtk 1 :P [16:30] winter: you run the fglrx binary ati driver ? [16:30] right [16:30] john_dee: I think there was an effort to get an xmms2, I'm not sure the status of that though. [16:30] winter: i don't know about ati, but the nvidia driver uses a kernel module and needs to be reran when the kernel changes. does the ati driver work this way too ? [16:31] Action: deco really goes back to learning php [16:31] well teh kernel's untouchet, and yes [16:31] fire|bird, yep. Copyright (C) 1997-2004. kinda antique %) [16:31] how is the kernel untouched if you downgraded from 13.0 to 12.2 ? [16:31] john_dee: lol, yup, sure is. [16:31] hasn't the kernel been changed ? [16:31] john_dee: audacious is another really nice one. [16:32] no, it was not [16:32] the module loads like it should [16:32] s/like/as/ [16:32] Why on earth would anyone downgrade from 13 to 12.2 instead of doing a fresh install of 12.2? [16:32] because of retarded hw? [16:32] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.189.34.136) joined ##slackware. [16:32] fire|bird, indeed. and it's being worked on. so put aside that dusty xmms ;p [16:32] mr_patterson: why would one fresh install 12.2 when 13.0 is out ? [16:33] Lord_Khelben: Exactly. [16:33] winter: so you downgraded specific packages and not everything ? [16:33] all [16:33] john_dee: haha, will do. I have to get audacious configured so that it shows more than just the song title and instead shows the artist too [16:34] winter: then the kernel should go from 2.6.29.6 to 2.6.27.7 [16:34] hi [16:34] it wouldn't be untouched [16:34] winter: you also removed all packages that were added by Slackware 13.0? And re-installed the packages from 12.2 that were no longer present in 13.0? [16:34] slpt-grt --dist-upgrade with 12.2 repos [16:35] -_- [16:35] And, re-installed that Ati driver afterwards? [16:35] Nick change: omni_sleep -> omnipotentduo [16:35] s/slpt-grt/slapt-get/ [16:35] Action: slackytude|evil slaps winter [16:35] O... slapt-get [16:35] Action: winter slpas slackytude [16:35] lmao! winter, why? just do a fresh & clean 12.2 install if that is what you want [16:35] that would mean teh FAIL [16:35] if i am not mistaken --dist-upgrade installes all a/ packages even if they don't exist [16:35] Action: john_dee is thinking about making a foobar-like front-end for gstreamer :\ [16:35] john_dee: that'd be cool [16:35] so it wouldn't catch every package change like alienBOB said [16:36] Action: winter starts hitting his des with his own head [16:36] alienBOB: nice work on the compat32 packages. thank you [16:36] UrchLap (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:36] Lord_Khelben: ++, I'm using those on my laptop. They work great. [16:37] i used to use the slamd64 ones, but changed to alienBOB's recently [16:37] fred did awesome work too [16:37] how come k3b is still clearing the cache [16:38] fire|bird, of course. only one thing left - learn to code :D [16:38] winter: fully downgrade to 12.2 with slackpkg and then rerun the ati driver. however if i were you i would try to solve my hardware problems with 13.0 [16:38] john_dee: Well, what are you waiting for? :P [16:38] go go go [16:38] Part of the stuff in my compat32-tools package credits fred. I did not do all the work [16:38] i have no hw problems. i've got a retarded gpu [16:40] john_dee: ok, ok, ok, all my music is in audacious now. happy? :P [16:40] alienBOB: just out of curiosity, are your multilib glibc/gcc going to be part of main tree at some time ? [16:41] Lord_Khelben, throw a coin [16:41] Lord_Khelben: no idea. I tweak Pat's ears from time to time to make him reconsider. Nothing definite for now [16:41] slackytude|evil: hehe ok :) [16:41] Nick change: G`Schroedinger -> g4tt0 [16:41] let me find a heads/heads coin [16:41] it'd be nice in /extra imho [16:41] or testing [16:41] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] winter: are you absolutely certain that your ati card won't work with 13.0 ? [16:42] fire|bird, will think about that. i think my objectpascal-fu is strong enough to handle that. i've read somewhere that there were attempts made. not sure how far they got tho %) [16:42] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] if not, it is worth to try 13.0 [16:42] etf (i=bd1f1053@gateway/web/freenode/x-mbghnslqmhvybitt) joined ##slackware. [16:42] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [16:43] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-20-249.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:43] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [16:43] fire|bird, feeling that joy of using non-bloated software, eh? %) [16:43] \o/, I got the new buttons in Amarok, it's a setting. You disable the Main toolbar and enable Main toolbar NG [16:43] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] o_O [16:44] john_dee: haha, yeah, I guess. :P [16:44] fire|bird: I wonder if it's a setting in the Amarok that ships with 13. [16:44] mr_patterson, however, a nice setup kde4 > win7, imho [16:44] mr_patterson: not sure, and I can't check now. :P [16:44] fire|bird, mind imagebin'ing new toolbar? [16:44] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left irc: "Leaving" [16:45] slackytude|evil: Yes, KDE has really come a long way. It's very nice indeed. [16:45] john_dee: sure, sec. [16:45] fire|bird: Neither can I. [16:45] anybody have slack13's amarok that could see if Main Toolbar NG is an option? [16:45] right click the toolbar and see if Main Toolbar NG is there [16:45] fire|bird: let me check [16:46] Go go gadget deco! [16:46] so I got virtualbox running on slackware64 (13.0), and I am blown away with how fast it is running win7x64... seriously blown away with how FAST it is! so, I have yet to try KVM or qemu on slackware64, curious what you guys think about KVM & qemu on slack64, does it by chance give MOAR performance then virtualbox64 ?? [16:46] mr_patterson: lol :P [16:46] fire|bird: nothing happened [16:47] deco: Is it an option, though? [16:47] i wanna try it, but just curious what other slackers think, or can I just stick with virtualbox 64 and be happy with its performance? [16:47] mr_patterson: nope i don't see any NG [16:48] (meaning try KVM & qemu) just wanting to test the waters =) [16:49] fnord0: supposedly kvm & kvm-patched qemu give near native speed like virtualbox does. i haven't tested it though so i don't have any numbers [16:49] fnord0, kvm is supposed to be faster, iirc [16:49] john_dee: http://imagebin.org/63222 [16:49] figabo_ (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Client Quit [16:49] deco: It must not be an option there then. [16:49] fire|bird: ewww qt in xfce :P [16:50] deco: lol [16:51] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.18.248) joined ##slackware. [16:52] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] any good documentation reccomened for reading about writing a custom kernel? [16:52] slackboy, wow, faster! i cant even imagine! [16:52] fire|bird: That is nice. [16:52] Smooth like butter. [16:52] opps... slackytude|evil I meant that to u [16:52] =) [16:52] fnord0, not by much [16:53] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@ppp-202-176-173-154.revip.asianet.co.th expired. [16:53] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@ppp-202-176-173-154.revip.asianet.co.th' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:53] mr_patterson: I removed the center applet panel [16:53] slackytude|evil, well, u got me wondering, now i gonna try it! [16:53] ^-^ [16:53] fire|bird, hm. nice. at least i can give it a try now [16:53] Anyone booting slack64 from grub? [16:54] thanks slackytude|evil & Lord_Khelben for your thoughts, I really appreciate [16:54] john_dee: haha, yeah. and the center panel is removable, you need to uncheck the setting for Lock Panels [16:54] Action: fire|bird hits lf4 over the head with lilo :) [16:54] fire|bird: BT4 installed grub with out my permission. [16:54] BackTrack? What the heck are you using backtrack for. :P [16:55] fire|bird: Don't know ;) [16:55] just add your other OSs to BT4's boot loader lf4 [16:55] isnt it a livecd? how does that install a bootloader [16:55] backtrack is awsome =) [16:55] lf4: Did you install it? [16:55] fire|bird, i guess shit catapult was aimed at him all this time since the release of 2.0 so he finally decided to fix that buttons. or should i say BUTTONS %) [16:55] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:55] but dont get me wrong, slackware has my heart hehe [16:55] john_dee: haha, yeah. [16:56] Pig_Pen: I did but I keep getting the Error 15: File not found even though I know it exists and its pointed to the correct partition. [16:56] fire|bird: It's too bad XFCE doesn't come with killer built-in FX like KDE does. [16:56] fire|bird: Yes lol I hate hearing the CD drive spin up. [16:56] mr_patterson, and too bad there is no compiz-fusion :( [16:56] mr_patterson: yeah,that'd be nice, but xfce does have compositing for transparency, etc. [16:56] but that's about it [16:57] slackytude|evil: I've never had good luck with compiz-fusion and Slackware. [16:57] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:57] hey [16:57] mr_patterson, worked great for me [16:57] fire|bird: *YAWN* Yeah, I've seen those FX in XFCE. [16:57] y0 missyjane [16:57] mr_patterson: worked excellent here. [16:57] hi surrealgirl [16:57] so i found kalarm, useful stuff, i never actually knew kde had all these... couple of days ago i found korganizer, usefuls tuff [16:57] hi surrealgirl [16:57] mr_patterson: yeah, I know what you mean. [16:58] surrealgirl: kde even has pets :) [16:58] deco, ? [16:58] slackytude|evil: Oh well... Now that I'm on KDE there's no point in trying (even if there were compiz-fusion packages for 13) [16:58] slackytude|evil: amor [16:58] deco pets?! [16:58] deco, ahh [16:59] surrealgirl: you get a car or what ever you choose to follow you around the screen and do funny things etc.. [16:59] cat* [16:59] slackytude|evil, speaking of compiz-fusion, do u run it on slack 13? [16:59] surrealgirl: called amor [16:59] deco: hahaha, you use that? :P [16:59] ivenkys (n=ivenkys@unaffiliated/ivenkys) joined ##slackware. [16:59] Lord_Khelben: x1200 wont work with xorg-server 1.6.x [16:59] fire|bird: when i feel lonely :( [16:59] fnord0, no, at work machine I have slack13 and kde [16:59] it's not supported anymore [16:59] fnord0, no sbo for compiz.fusion for 13 [17:00] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [17:00] deco: OMG. :P [17:00] LOL!... [17:00] fnord0, also, the project seems abandonded [17:00] amor wow you guys werent kidding.. [17:00] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.18.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] Action: surrealgirl is discovering new things with kde [17:00] deco: They don't talk to you, do they? or you to them? [17:00] fire|bird: lol :P [17:00] jekkt_ (n=jekkt@p548A5822.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:00] surrealgirl: lol good :P [17:00] fire|bird: unfortunately no:( [17:00] jekkt_ (n=jekkt@p548A4919.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] deco: I'd view that as fortunately [17:01] ok now i cant find the idiot smiley face >< [17:01] slackytude|evil, abaondoned, compiz(-fusion)? ... googles [17:01] surrealgirl: just right click on the thing [17:01] oooh he always appear on the top of the window :D [17:01] surrealgirl: yup if you give them space [17:01] idiot smiley faces? they have those? [17:01] fnord0, nothing going on on the projectsite at least [17:02] fire|bird: not in my case :P lol [17:02] deco: haha [17:02] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.18.248) joined ##slackware. [17:02] lol amor the default is a smiley face and it looks like an idiot lo [17:02] surrealgirl, why the name change? [17:02] www.surrealgirl.com thats why [17:02] surrealgirl: i love the cat [17:02] ah right [17:03] deco: you mean this cat? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mtxIjWA73qM/SqWP8Sf_dvI/AAAAAAAAC2U/jP7bXK8D638/s1600-h/IMG_3029.JPG [17:03] errr, what ? http://yaxm.org/!archivemount+slackbuild :o [17:04] lf4: :o [17:04] lol Camarade_Tux [17:04] fire|bird, dang. it's only in newer builds i guess :\ [17:04] slackytude|evil, march 2009 was released for 0.8.2 of compiz-fusion per thier site @ http://lists.compiz-fusion.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/000185.html ... u saying it's died since then? [17:04] what the fuck is that? [17:04] y0 Camarade_Tux [17:05] john_dee: dang [17:05] lf4: dude wtf [17:05] lf4: that was just unpleasent [17:05] fnord0, well, maybe I just talking bullshit [17:05] not even funny dude [17:05] lf4: GTFO [17:05] slackytude|evil, hahaha i just curious [17:05] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-146-111.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:05] fire|bird, you didn't have to rebuild all kde for this, did you? %) [17:05] i will make a note to never trust lf4's links again [17:06] john_dee: no, but fwiw, I am on kde 4.3.0. [17:06] Action: deco agrees [17:06] Action: Camarade_Tux forces fire|bird into writing a slackbuild for archivemount [17:06] lf4: haha, you're untrusted now. :) [17:06] Pig_Pen: lol thats pretty much the only disturbing link I have. [17:06] fire|bird: Did you click the link? [17:06] lf4: not yet [17:06] fire|bird: don't please [17:06] I was tramatized when a co-worker showed me that site. [17:07] which link? [17:07] haha [17:07] Camarade_Tux: ok, but I want $10,000 USD in a suit case next to the mailbox outside where you live. :) [17:07] slackytude|evil: I wont post it again but its at 15:03 [17:07] "tramtizing" links, not for me [17:07] hehe [17:07] lf4: bah, I've seen that before. :P [17:07] fire|bird, one more reason to check "air" out.. [17:07] err "tramatizing" [17:07] fire|bird: Yeah I figured some must have. [17:08] john_dee: yeah, the Air theme is amazing, they changed the login screen even, looks REALLY nice now. [17:08] lf4, you are sick [17:08] lf4: go show that one to the Ubuntards. :P [17:08] fire|bird: air theme only looks good if you have effects on :P [17:08] fire|bird: of course ! [17:08] hey! it's my old friend surrealgirl. whatup skits [17:08] That's an actual condition that causes the cat to look like that. [17:08] fire|bird: when are you coming to take it? [17:08] deco: no it doesn't. [17:08] Camarade_Tux: When you're not around. :P [17:08] hey surrealgirl :) [17:08] dusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] fire|bird: you don't want to see me? ='( [17:09] Camarade_Tux: and no funny trickery stuff either. :P [17:09] MrDusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Action: lf4 walks in the #ubuntu chan and runs away just as quickly (There are scarry things then that cat in there). [17:09] dusty__ (n=dusty@78.86.194.224) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] fire|bird: waite now that i remember it was only the transparent panel that i didn't get :P [17:09] fire|bird, thats the kde you built yourself? [17:09] fire|bird: tried it on archlinux a while back [17:09] slackytude|evil: yeah, 4.3.0 on my desktop and 4.3.1 on the laptop thanks to vbatts packages for it. [17:09] #ubuntu is great, especially when you tell them to open a konsole or terminal, and they freak out [17:09] dusty (n=dusty@78-86-194-224.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:09] fire|bird, 64bit packages? [17:09] lf4: hahaha, did you seriously post it there? [17:10] slackytude|evil: yeah [17:10] fire|bird: no april's fools? :P [17:10] omnipotentduo: haha I know I was watching my co-worker (an ubuntu freak) try to use the centos system in terminal lol. [17:10] lol [17:10] Camarade_Tux: It's NOT April [17:10] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.210.144.103) left irc: Connection timed out [17:10] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.108.34) joined ##slackware. [17:10] lf4: haha, yeah, that'd be like watching a fish out of water. [17:10] lf4, thats great [17:10] fire|bird: lol No I refuse to enter #ubuntu [17:10] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.108.34) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:10] wb agentc0re|work [17:10] ty [17:10] ha! we had a customer with a linux problem today. my coworker, the win admin, freaked out [17:10] hey agentc0re|work :) [17:10] howdy lf4. [17:11] fire|bird: that what *you* think! [17:11] agentc0re|work: How's work going? [17:11] BT4 is built on ubuntu, you might find help for your bootloader in there lf4 [17:11] Camarade_Tux: yup, sure is. [17:11] Pig_Pen: Yeah I noticed that when I installed it but I think I'm just messing up the boot line. [17:12] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host197-69-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [17:12] fire|bird: september's fool maybe? [17:12] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [17:12] lol [17:12] Camarade_Tux, freaky french customs [17:12] slackytude|evil: ;p [17:12] m00p (n=topcat@client-82-26-66-182.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Action: Camarade_Tux gives slackytude|evil a beer [17:13] \o/ [17:13] still think we have freaky customs? :P [17:13] nah, you me mate [17:13] lol [17:13] wb, again agentc0re|work :P [17:13] yeah, we agree fire|bird is the freak :P [17:13] argh, scrollback [17:14] Camarade_Tux: I am? :( [17:14] fire|bird, freak! [17:14] oh, man. what a fortune. "under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." (c) someone. brillaint. made me lol :D [17:14] Camarade_Tux: what do you expect from a bird on fire ? :P [17:14] deco: hahaha [17:14] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl15-170.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:14] deco: haha, right :P [17:15] john_dee: here's the one I just got: "We have reason to believe that man first walked upright to free his hands for masturbation." -- Lily Tomlin :P [17:15] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "caindo fora!!!" [17:15] Anyone here ever use JDBC? Trying to figure out how/where to get it... [17:15] a fine theory [17:15] fortunes \o/ [17:15] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-12-207.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] slackytude|evil: note how the quote is from a woman. :P [17:16] fire|bird, so? [17:16] You will be Told about it Tomorrow. Go Home and Prepare Thyself. [17:16] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-128-245-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] nice. well, one hand for sure. another is still holding the mouse. lol [17:16] that was just the excuse lily tomlin's boyfriend gave her [17:16] john_dee: hahahaha [17:17] that just sounded nasty :P [17:17] lol thats because it was. [17:17] or is JDBC included with JRE these days? [17:17] %) [17:17] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [17:17] Wescotte, doesnt that come with OO? [17:17] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-223.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:18] slackytude|evil: JDBC driver? not sure.. [17:19] oh hai ! [17:19] Ret (n=Ret@pool-72-88-61-72.bflony.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] slackytude|evil: I tried "test driver" and it says it can't be loaded.. [17:20] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Action: slackytude|evil shrugs [17:20] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-119-157-211.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] deco, hey, it was not even my fortune [17:20] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-12-207.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:20] oh, well :p [17:20] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-12-207.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] lol [17:22] john_dee: :P [17:22] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] strange [17:23] so what other useful stuff are there? :x [17:23] Lovecraft (n=root@209.191.210.130) joined ##slackware. [17:23] surrealgirl: hmmm the ruler and kcolor chooser :P [17:24] hahah kcolor i use that enough [17:24] ruler? [17:24] I wouldnt call armor useful [17:24] measure how big the windows are? :P [17:24] surrealgirl: yeah it's ruler to measure stuff :D [17:24] Wazzeg (n=Wazzeg@91.120.149.70) left irc: "Leaving." [17:24] oh heh [17:24] surrealgirl: in pixels :) [17:24] anythong that will tell me how to live my life? :p [17:25] fortune :P [17:25] surrealgirl: hmmmm you got emacs installed ? lol [17:25] fire|bird, lol [17:25] yeah apparently it is installed [17:25] surrealgirl: amarok music player [17:26] already use that [17:26] surrealgirl: okular the best pdf reader :) [17:26] true! [17:26] anyone know the name of the current driver for bcm43xx chipsets (bcm4312)? and is it compiled in by default in slackwaere13? [17:26] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-12-207.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware ("Fades out Slowly"). [17:26] (I'm working remotely on a slow machine) [17:27] Camarade_Tux: it's default [17:27] deco: know the module name? [17:27] Camarade_Tux: you need b43-fwcutter and firmware from SBo. At least I did. [17:27] Camarade_Tux: i just had to the firmware [17:27] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-152-191-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] Camarade_Tux: module is b43 [17:27] is there an kde app for psychiatric evaluation? [17:27] Camarade_Tux: nah just exported the firwmare and forgot about it :P [17:27] chopp: sure, kpsych [17:27] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.128.92) left irc: "Leaving." [17:27] brb [17:27] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:28] KmonkeyWrench chopp [17:28] ahhh yes [17:28] fire|bird: \o/ [17:28] now I need to extract the firware but archivemount doesn't seem to work, hmmm [17:29] Camarade_Tux: I just did, b43-fwcutter -w "/lib/firmware" /foomylocationsofwl_apsta_mimo... [17:29] deco: does b43-fwcutter needs windows drivers to work? [17:29] Camarade_Tux: no just the firmware [17:30] Camarade_Tux: it can extract the firmware from windows drivers though [17:30] (the firmware is on a dd'ed disk image but gzip'ed) [17:30] Camarade_Tux: nope, just the b43-firmware from SBo [17:30] deco: any good link? [17:30] Camarade_Tux: for the firmware ? [17:30] deco: yesyes [17:30] nono [17:30] Camarade_Tux: yeah just a sec i have it [17:30] I wonder how I typed yesyes... [17:31] Camarade_Tux: because you are in dire need :P [17:31] Camarade_Tux: maybe because of tabtab completioncompletion [17:31] Camarade_Tux: wget http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 [17:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.18.248) left irc: Connection timed out [17:31] Camarade_Tux: that's the firmware [17:32] he, I really don't know but I'm a bit lost, I'm using screen through ssh and moving between invisible windows inside a web browser with tabs inside several windows and using irssi which has several windows too [17:32] Camarade_Tux: before you export you must do this export FIRMWARE_INSTALL_DIR="/lib/firmware" [17:32] I'm *completely* lost actually ;) [17:32] deco: woot, thanks :) [17:32] Camarade_Tux: np :) [17:33] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-12-207.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] actually it seems slackbuilds.org even has the firmware [17:34] Camarade_Tux: yes, it does, I said that above. :P [17:34] Elektro (n=Elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [17:34] lee555J5 (n=lee@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [17:34] donte finally [17:34] but.. ima compile it later... [17:34] fire|bird: but you're unreliable :D [17:34] j/k ;p [17:34] Camarade_Tux: yes :P , been doing this for a year :P [17:34] Camarade_Tux: uh huh, you better be kiding. :P [17:34] kidding [17:35] i think you both suck! [17:35] j/k [17:35] hmm k [17:35] fire|bird: :P [17:35] fire|bird: actually I had completely skipped over your message ;) [17:36] :P [17:36] (now seeing it through lastlog) [17:36] fire|bird: woah Camarade_Tux totally ignored you :P [17:36] deco: yup. :( [17:36] Action: deco gives fire|bird a nice kitty to play with [17:36] ^^ [17:37] Camarade_Tux: tell me if it works :P [17:37] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:37] hm [17:37] :| [17:37] I'm melting... melting!!! [17:37] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:37] Action: surrealgirl is confused [17:37] whats going on? [17:37] well stop it then [17:37] quasar: pink floyd ? [17:37] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "leaving" [17:37] deco: Wizard of Oz [17:37] surrealgirl: lots of stuff [17:37] quasar: blah :P [17:38] fawcao (n=fawcao@201.38.18.147) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] sheesh people always complain about melting but does anyone ever DO anything about it.. oooooh no! [17:38] or Field of Dreams [17:38] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-12-207.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:38] Lovecraft (n=root@209.191.210.130) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:38] charlie sheen i think talked to president obama [17:38] about hookers? [17:38] health care ? [17:38] and cookies! [17:38] im reading the transscript atm [17:38] no [17:38] well, I went for the slackbuild, this setup is already far too awkward [17:38] b43.ko loaded properly [17:38] its about "govt did 911" [17:38] psychiatric evaluation? [17:39] hookers, health care and cookies [17:39] sounds like a good movie [17:39] now, I need the interface name [17:39] michael moore anyone? [17:39] What's he bitching about these days? [17:39] slackers [17:39] more like infowars consperacy whackos [17:39] mr_patterson: our boats are inferior to other countries boats? :P [17:40] lol [17:40] fire|bird: Seriously? hahah [17:40] lolcats? [17:40] mr_patterson: nah, I have no idea. :P [17:40] GIMMEH VAR [17:40] who's boats? [17:40] how goes it Camarade [17:40] The Love Boat [17:41] Love, exciting and new. Come aboard, we're expecting you! [17:41] surrealgirl, that is just an open letter [17:41] diven what do you mean? [17:41] it is just a hypothetical conversation [17:41] oh its not real? [17:42] you mean cs didnt talk to pbo yet/ [17:42] What would a hypothetical conversation be like? :P [17:42] Camarade_Tux: tout bien ? [17:42] yes [17:42] surrealgirl: that transcript is fictional [17:42] errr, I've loaded the module but I don't get any interface name.... [17:42] (and I'd better not restart anything) [17:42] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] grrr [17:42] somebody said it was genuine [17:42] Camarade_Tux: ifconfig wlan0 up ? [17:42] ok [17:42] ty guys >< [17:42] Camarade_Tux: oh that's right nvm [17:42] deco: no name =/ [17:43] Camarade_Tux: yeah [17:43] tried eth1 and wlan0 but that's not it [17:43] lol, it has to be true because i read it on the internet [17:43] Pig_Pen: indeed [17:43] down piggy down! [17:43] Action: acidchild beats Pig_Pen [17:43] afternoon people :> [17:43] Camarade_Tux: usually after i extract the firmware it loads the module automatically [17:43] afternoon acidchild [17:43] Camarade_Tux: let me look at it [17:44] Camarade_Tux: i think i have a tutorial or soemthing [17:44] deco: I load the module by hand [17:44] Camarade_Tux: oh ok hmmmmm [17:45] Camarade_Tux: a reboot would be a good try but you don't want to [17:45] :P [17:45] well, I'm doing everything through ssh :P [17:45] Camarade_Tux: ah :P [17:45] :p [17:45] Ah, the Windows tech support solution: Have you tried rebooting? [17:46] mr_patterson: works sometimes :) [17:46] I think it'd work actually [17:46] or restart the networking [17:46] mr_patterson: you have, ok, and that didn't fix it, ok, do you have the restore CD? :P [17:46] but I'd rather not :P [17:46] Camarade_Tux: oui [17:46] fire|bird: hahaha yeah [17:46] (especially since somebody is _currently_ using the computer ;) ) [17:46] fire|bird: is your pc pluged in ? [17:46] fire|bird: the restore cd is ubuntu! :o [17:46] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-34-32-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [17:46] is your monitor turned on? [17:47] deco: Umm, let me check. :P [17:47] fire|bird: :P [17:47] DID YOU PAY YOUR ELECTRICITY? [17:47] Camarade_Tux: I'd rather throw my pc out the window, kthxbai [17:47] acidchild: CRAP,I knew I forgot something. :P [17:47] Action: fire|bird asks for donations to pay the bill. :P [17:48] Electricity is overrated. We were fine rubbing sticks together and playing with rocks and sabre tooth tigers. [17:48] Action: deco finds a stick and starts poking at fire|bird [17:48] fire|bird: yeah, that's why I put slackware there ;) [17:48] try #slackware-homeless-fund [17:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:48] computers aint cheap to run ;/ [17:48] Action: fire|bird finds a bat and starts swinging at deco [17:48] slackytude|evil: haha [17:48] Action: deco doesn't like baseball [17:48] deco: Why do you think I'm swinging a bat? :P [17:48] Name one person that does like baseball. :P [17:49] mr_patterson: baseball players? :P [17:49] fire|bird: waite you don't have hands :O [17:49] watching or playing? baseball wasted is alrite [17:49] I don't? oh noes [17:49] fire|bird: everyone knows birds have only wings [17:49] Action: slackytude|evil goes off [17:49] fire|bird: You were faster. I was going to say that even they don't like it; they're just after the money. [17:50] deco: Hello? I can fly and I have feet :P [17:50] gn slackers [17:50] night slackytude|evil [17:50] fire|bird: oh yes feet :P [17:50] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A761DA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "to sail the seven seas" [17:50] fire|bird: no you dont, stop bsing yourself ;p [17:50] mr_patterson: yeah, I'm sure they are. [17:50] acidchild: hahaha [17:51] cls [17:51] er, oops [17:51] fail [17:52] fail indeed [17:52] http://images.celebrateexpress.com/mgen/merchandiser/23986.jpg <----- Would make a nice Slackware 13 DVD. [17:52] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.21) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-119-157-211.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:53] thats a photoshop in the making. [17:53] alternative slackware cd graphics. ;o [17:53] i would rather much have pats face on it :D [17:53] A little gay, but damnit the penguin's cute. [17:53] DO EET [17:53] yae [17:53] a Service UNavailable [17:53] would make a great slackware 13 dvd! [17:53] how the fock is that gay? [17:53] tahts amazing [17:53] plenty [17:54] I'm wanting to update my pxe server for 13.0 and am wondering about the pxelinux.0 file. Is it any different or can it just remain the same as the old one? [17:54] gay [17:54] lol [17:54] (The server is not yet upgraded.) [17:54] we will get all the ubuntards ordering one :D [17:54] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [17:54] mr_patterson: haha, that's a paper plate. :P [17:54] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-146-111.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:54] and if not, where can I get a slackware-13.0/pxelinux.0 ? [17:55] mr_patterson: that'd be a, well, interesting dvd label. :P [17:55] fire|bird: Well it's a DVD to ME, mister! [17:55] haha [17:55] bbiab [17:55] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [17:55] birdy left the building :( [17:56] Anyone here ever use OO base connectivity with MySQL? I'm having problems connecting (using the native MySQL extension too) [17:56] Wescotte, I did a while back [17:56] diven: and it just worked? [17:56] IIRC there were two connectors [17:56] one worked and one didnt [17:57] i did get it working though [17:57] They have ODBC/JDBC and native.. [17:57] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) joined ##slackware. [17:57] there are two native ones? [17:57] brb [17:57] I must be thinking of the ODBC / JDBC [17:58] I want to say I used ODBC [17:58] that was on 10.2 though [17:58] diven: Yeah I don't have ODBC or JDBC setup.. Found a native mysql extension on the OO page.. [17:58] diven: might have to try ODBC/JDBC.. [17:58] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Ah, kde4, much better. :P [17:59] Wescotte, I can look around later but I think that I hosed all of that stuff [17:59] diven: cool thanks [17:59] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: "Going!" [17:59] diven: if you find it would you /msg me as I sometimes get lost in the ##slackware logs :) [17:59] sure [18:00] thanks [18:00] fire|bird: wb :P [18:00] no worries [18:00] deco: thanks [18:00] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] fire|bird: Post a picture of your KDE? [18:01] sir yes sir [18:01] fire|bird: is such a showoff :P [18:02] lol [18:02] rebooted but still no interface visible for the wifi [18:02] deco: can you ever keep quiet. :P [18:02] and the module has not been autoloaded [18:02] fire|bird: not if you feed me :P [18:02] Camarade_Tux: lsmod doesn't show b43? [18:03] Camarade_Tux: than i guess you didn't install the firmware right [18:03] fire|bird: only after I 'modprobe b4' [18:03] I took the firmware from sbopkg and dmesg seems happy [18:03] Camarade_Tux: Hmm, autloaded for me just fine. [18:03] same here [18:04] wait [18:04] there is a hardware switch [18:04] that's what she said [18:04] anyone here a good debater? [18:04] Camarade_Tux: ok is the wireless switch on ? :P [18:04] surrealgirl: fire|bird is :) [18:05] deco: no idea ^^ [18:05] Camarade_Tux: :P [18:05] Camarade_Tux: No, fire|bird is a good whiner. Debating is different. [18:05] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:05] surrealgirl: you want have a debate ? :P [18:05] but it's not really a switch, it's a toggle button so I just don't know how it is ;) [18:05] to have* [18:05] mr_patterson: ah, you're right ;p [18:05] mr_patterson: a whiner, gee, thanks. :P [18:06] you can't trust a person that uses opera as his browser :P [18:06] :o [18:06] fire|bird: is that true? :o [18:06] deco: I haven't used opera for a few weeks [18:06] diven (n=diven@64.79.213.171) left irc: "<3" [18:06] deco: Yeah, that too. [18:06] fire|bird: :D [18:06] surrealgirl: i am a masterdebater [18:07] fire|bird: ok good :P [18:07] Action: fire|bird puts deco on ignore. :P [18:07] fire|bird: so you're always changing your mind, how can we trust you? :P [18:07] Camarade_Tux: good point! [18:07] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] lol [18:07] Action: deco curts fire|bird's wings [18:07] cuts* [18:07] deco, i could win [18:07] surrealgirl: ok subject ? [18:07] fire|bird, gimme some tips in pm [18:07] deco name one [18:07] Camarade_Tux: hahahahahaha [18:07] surrealgirl: cats ? [18:07] we can do a formal debate [18:07] who wants to be the judge? [18:08] Will the opposition please open? [18:08] i want to be the executioner [18:08] lets have Camarade_Tux as judge [18:08] Oh, wait... What's the topic? :P [18:08] Action: quasar looks at ##slackofftopic [18:08] NO, I'll be the executioner, execution by fire. :D [18:08] jekkt_ (n=jekkt@p548A4919.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:08] fire|bird: lol nice line there [18:08] Oooo, slackoff.... there's a new one :P [18:08] lol [18:09] execution by fire!!!!!! sounds like a metal song [18:09] #slackoff [18:09] deco: haha, it does. [18:09] What are you doing? Oh, nothing honey *pant* just slacking off. [18:09] lol [18:10] fire|bird: So where's your desktop? :) [18:10] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:10] surrealgirl: waiting .... :P [18:10] mr_patterson: haha, I was just working on something else quick. [18:10] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:11] mr_patterson: here's mine :P http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=0 [18:11] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:11] http://www.stsci.edu/hst/wfc3 hubbles latest photos since the refurb [18:12] deco: Nice. (Call me sick, but she looks rather hot) [18:12] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:12] shes pretty mr_patterson [18:12] deco on what? [18:12] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-153-36-67.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] surrealgirl: debate [18:13] surrealgirl: Can you say, " mr_patterson, I've been very very naughty." ? [18:13] mr_patterson: ewwww now i feel all dirty [18:13] mr_patterson, i have been very very naughty [18:13] deco, sure where? [18:13] surrealgirl: Thanks. Was that good for you? :P [18:13] yes [18:14] hahaha [18:14] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: "Server does not respond." [18:14] hahah Time for a dip in the river. bbl [18:14] mr_patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-ftqlqhschbzzaogj) left irc: "Page closed" [18:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) left irc: [18:15] http://slackwaregallery.org/displayimage.php?pid=45&fullsize=1 i like this chic's eyes [18:15] surrealgirl: where ever you want :P [18:15] grrr wireless [18:15] photoshopped but beautiful eyes [18:15] deco gimme a topic first, cat isnt a valid topic [18:16] no! she was born like that [18:16] oh ok [18:16] made by opticorp [18:16] surrealgirl: hmmmm religion ? but i guess it has to be someone where else [18:16] haha [18:16] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:16] some where* [18:16] she was born in greyscale? nice! I gotta get me one of those ! [18:16] deco ok religion, im taking the atheist/agnostic, which religion will you be defending? [18:16] surrealgirl: same as you lol [18:16] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.236.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] lol [18:17] hm [18:17] another topic then [18:17] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:17] i side with surrealgirl, since i am a devout atheist [18:17] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] devout? [18:17] surrealgirl:abortion! [18:17] too late [18:17] yeah, i believe the christians should be fed to the lions [18:18] hate aint good ;< [18:18] Action: deco agrees [18:18] not hate, i just love big cats [18:18] Pig_Pen, too extreme [18:18] lol [18:18] hi guys :-) [18:18] the entire country is based on christian moral, it works [18:18] dont kill, dont steal are christian morals [18:19] deco, im against abortion [18:19] does that mean we have to do what people tell us to? [18:19] I'm starting to wish I was for it. [18:19] surrealgirl: hmmmmmm im for it i guess [18:19] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] i believe abortion should be left up to the pregnant woman to decide since she is the one pregnant and has to give birth and raise the child [18:19] greetings macavity, how are you? [18:19] Pig_Pen, indeed [18:20] Could someone running 13.0 tell me is dmesg has any information on loading ramdisks and if /dev/ram? is populated? "dmesg | grep RAMDISK" My 12.2 pc (2.6.24.5-smp) shows "RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of .." but 13 doesn't even though it creates ramdisks in /dev/ram? and ignores ramdisk parameters passed to it on boot via lilo :/ [18:20] you now know how to cheeeaatt like the white man [18:20] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:21] I'll have to learn how rfkill and buttons work, I think the button doesn't rfkill/rflive [18:21] i never done that Strykar_ but after the module loads i bet you either have to add an entry in fstab or something similar, it just does not happen by magic [18:21] deco: beings mr_patterson left: http://imagebin.org/63234 :P [18:22] fire|bird: nice lol [18:22] fire|bird: im good, how are you? [18:22] fire|bird: hahaha :P [18:22] Action: Camarade_Tux pokes macavity [18:22] ouch :P [18:22] macavity: doing excellent, thank you. :) [18:22] Action: deco pokes Camarade_Tux enought times to make him drop his ubuntu netbook [18:23] deco: the netbook that was ubuntu before is 500km away from me ;) [18:23] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:23] Camarade_Tux: what ever :P [18:24] Camarade_Tux: lol, i just promised to go to someones bday 12hrs by coach away o.o [18:24] that... is gonna suck [18:24] Pig_Pen, it does't create a filesystem so nothing mounts [18:24] surrealgirl: the debate ended really fast :P [18:24] etf (i=bd1f1053@gateway/web/freenode/x-mbghnslqmhvybitt) got netsplit. [18:25] acidchild: hahaha, pwned :P [18:25] what? [18:25] deco: abortions just one of them subjects [18:25] deco: :P [18:25] acidchild: yup [18:25] i should be on lindbohm.freenode.net [18:25] .. or is there something with netsplits i dont get?!? [18:25] 'the game' and how you wish to play it, has nasty sides that people do but dont speak [18:25] let me do some searching on that Strykar_ [18:26] am i stuck in the rift between the two servers?!? :P [18:26] If men got pregnant ... abortion would be available in convenience stores and drive-through windows. [18:26] can you see me? [18:26] anyone?!? [18:26] heeeeeeeelp! [18:26] who said that ? [18:27] macavity: hello! [18:27] LOL [18:27] deco++ [18:27] Action: deco pokes macavity [18:27] can you feel it ? [18:27] ouch! :P [18:27] yes [18:27] macavity: ok good :P [18:27] can you show us on the court doll where he touched, good or bad place? [18:27] 00:30 -!- Netsplit lindbohm.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: etf [18:28] now.. what does /whois macavity say? [18:28] acidchild: hmmmmm no comment [18:28] Strykar_: are you referring to an initrd for booting or using part of your RAM as a fake disk parition,( almost the same name but different meanings) [18:28] ramdisk as a fake partition [18:28] ok [18:28] let me look around [18:28] macavity: choose kermit [18:29] deco: ;o [18:29] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [18:29] winter: my question is: why am i still here if lindbohm split off the rest of the network? [18:29] i haz teh magic connexium? [18:29] i sugested a kermit doll while being in a courd [18:29] macavity: you took the red or blue pill ? [18:29] courd [18:29] court .. [18:30] etf (i=bd1f1053@gateway/web/freenode/x-mbghnslqmhvybitt) got lost in the net-split. [18:30] deco, lol just busy writing debates [18:30] surrealgirl: ah lol :P [18:30] deco im doing 2-3 debates simutaneosly [18:30] deco: the red.. why? [18:30] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [18:30] surrealgirl: fun fun :P [18:30] macavity, why oh why didnt you take the BLUE pill? [18:30] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:30] there is some documentation in the kernel source if you have it handy in the /documentation/ramdisk.txt [18:30] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:31] surrealgirl: the blue pills is for those who *want* to stay ignorant ;-) [18:31] s/is/are/ [18:31] surrealgirl: oh don't let him talk to you like that [18:32] deco i see that you are doing thar [18:32] macavity, :) for eternal comfort, why not [18:32] Pig_Pen, I've read it. I was wondering why dmesg in 13.0 doesn't mention setting up ramdisks, and does. 12.2 does the same and dmesg logs it. [18:33] surrealgirl: do you have to debate in your classroom ? [18:33] deco i have a course yes [18:34] surrealgirl: im to shy for debating in class [18:34] too* [18:34] dofas (n=rodolfo@189.71.83.35) joined ##slackware. [18:34] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [18:35] hehe [18:35] i can win [18:35] usually most guys are like "if i lose... will i get a chance with her?" [18:35] surrealgirl: yes but not online ;-) [18:35] my opening is ALWAYS [18:35] "please dont go easy on me" [18:35] O_O [18:35] "before i start this debate, i wish to thank you for joining but i must say this, please dont go easy on me" [18:35] Strykar_: i think that tool has fallen in to disuse since modern PCs have large drives and bootable CDroms & bootable usbsticks, it was a feature intended for bootable floppy diskettes [18:35] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:35] i have a team [18:35] surrealgirl: ignorance is not eternal comfort.. it is eternal pain (and not knowing why) [18:35] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:35] macavity, ignorance is bliss [18:36] dofas (n=rodolfo@189.71.83.35) left irc: Client Quit [18:36] there is no pain when you dont know [18:36] surrealgirl: no... opium is bliss ;-) [18:36] surrealgirl: so true :P [18:36] macavity must be really happy then :P [18:36] macavity: share the love :P [18:36] ignorance is getting mugged by your own bank clerk (and not knowing) [18:36] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] Pig_Pen, it's still creating /dev/ram0-15 [18:36] ignorance is, hence, pain by proxy ;-) [18:36] macavity, depends on context then [18:36] thats not how the quotation is used though [18:37] ill debate you on that macavity lol [18:37] go right ahead.. i am just in the mood for putting a single expression under the microscope and turn it inside out for hours :P [18:38] lol [18:38] im never going to get work done -_- see ya later guys [18:38] no thats not how it works macavity [18:38] rules will be set [18:38] a judge or a team of judge will decide who has better merit in their argument [18:38] up to say, 300 words? [18:38] in a chatroom, not ##slackware [18:38] no no no dudette! [18:38] i excell the most at counter arguments... thus we must have a live debate [18:39] ill host it [18:39] like any true devils advocate, i thrive on turning peoples arguments ass backwards and using them against them :P [18:39] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:40] can anyone show me a Xorg.0.log made after a proper start of X? [18:41] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] macavity, i can do live debate [18:41] but there has to be a limit on response [18:41] its back and forth, not spam spam spam [18:41] lol [18:41] no way.. we will have to beat the emacs vs vi flamewar if we even want to be considered for wikipedia :P [18:42] grazymax (n=grazymax@host233-179-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:43] lol [18:43] cant spam spam spam [18:43] just like talking loud does NOT mean your argument has merit [18:43] winter: what graphical chip[set]? [18:43] i had this girl in my class SCREAMING [18:43] "CAUSE I SAID SO!!!!!!!!!!!" holy cow people thought it was an emergency, not a way to win [18:43] ati would be the best [18:43] was her name Jane by chance? [18:43] i wish to see that log from a proper start of X [18:44] dropi it in pastebin or something like that [18:44] no quasar [18:44] no i cant scream, i lung problems [18:45] your name's Jane? [18:45] surrealgirl: just give her the thousand yard stare and go "uhm.. but.. err... when exactly are you going to give an actual coherent answer that has nothing to do with your daddy always giving you what you want.. nor anything to do with the fact that you still havent forgiven your mother for drinking during pregnancy" ;-) [18:45] macavity, no its called a judge [18:45] id ont have to say that, the judge will stop her [18:45] lol [18:45] winter: i can accomodate Intel off hand [18:46] ok [18:47] winter: http://pastebin.ca/1560432 [18:47] oh! another good idea! debatebin ! [18:48] quasar: id go for that.. as long as noone gets personal... [18:48] I was thinking from amother point of view.. you post your opinion and it's immediately deleted because no one cares [18:49] lol quasar you would fail your classes in college [18:49] macavity: ty, but i have no idea about the reason of failure then [18:49] I haven't yet [18:49] winter: what's the problem? [18:49] debatebin, nice. [18:50] winter, I'm not in front of the box now, but I have used both fglrx and the open source driver successfully on Slackware 13. What is the problem you are having? [18:51] Husaini (i=husaini@2001:328:2002:ef19:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [18:51] guess I'll start on that right after I finish my sourceforge replacement [18:51] X starts, turns off the keyboard and the mouse, refuses to start any wm, no errs in log [18:51] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:52] winter, The keyboard and mouse could HAL issues and may be separate from the refusal to start a window manager. [18:52] winter, Is HAL enabled and running on this machine? [18:52] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] winter: ati/radeon/radeonhd driver? [18:52] runs [18:53] macavity: catalyst 9.3, gpu: x1200 [18:53] ah, this is on the binary poison wear? [18:53] Oh... [18:53] Ewww. [18:53] NIH, ask them [18:53] winter, Slackware 13? Because that would require lots of work. [18:53] has it even been updated to work with the .29 kernels yet?!? [18:54] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:54] macavity, Newer versions of catalyst work with 2.6.30, even... But 9.3 will never work with anything newer than 2.6.27 or an Xserver newer than 1.5.* [18:54] i've made an upgrade from 12.2 to 13, then downgraded it back, using slapt-get [18:54] Ewww. [18:54] lol [18:54] winter: a) slapt-get breaks systems for lunch [18:54] grazymax (n=grazymax@host234-25-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:55] hahaha [18:55] wtf, why would you bother with slapt-get when slackpkg is available [18:55] Yeah, I'm not even sure I want to hazard a guess as to whats wrong. [18:55] winter: b) you need to check yourserlf, by hand, which version of catalyst works with xorg-1.6.x and kernel .29.x [18:55] and for that matter, why would you bother with slackpkg when rsync + pkgtools are available? [18:55] [18:55] surrealgirl (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [18:55] macavity, The answer to b) is "none" [18:56] At least not for the x1200. [18:56] catalyst 9.4 and higher only work with HD cards. [18:56] Which, I assume, is why winter went back to 12.2? [18:56] how nice of ATI [18:56] winter: you're like a mad scientist in your laboratory trying to make a Frankenstein monster [18:56] slackpkg upgrade-all; /usr/libexec/slackpkg/functions.d/dialog-functions.sh~~: line 17: 14331 Done; cat $TMPDIR/dialog.tmp; 14332 Aborted; | xargs dialog --title $2 --backtitle "slackpkg $VERSION" $HINT --checklist "Choose packages to $2:" 19 70 13 2>$TMPDIR/dialog.out [18:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:57] you broke your system [18:57] macavity, They did that on windows, too. Thankfully the open source drivers handle most situations well enough for *most* people (though certainly not all). [18:57] and since you broke it with slapt-get we are not going to help you.. sorry [18:57] that's a part of a huge error message while trying to update with slackpkg [18:57] please do a clean re-install [18:57] can anyone recommend a cli dvd ripper [18:58] frankyp: mencoder [18:58] macavity: that's a fail, i wont give up [18:58] winter: if you wanted to go from 12.2 to 13.0 there was a very execlent and detailed document called UPGRADE.TXT in the root directory of 13.0 [18:58] doesnt matter [18:58] aka "how to not break your system while upgrading" [18:58] i'll use chroot.. [18:58] Any comments on slack64-13? [18:59] or s\omething like that [18:59] caoliver, What kind of comments are you looking for? [18:59] winter: on this machine i have 12.2 & 13 dual booting, i mostly use 12.2, the wife still has 12.2 on the machine in her office because she was not impressed with kde-4.x (she wants stability, not eye candy) [18:59] caoliver: use it on my desktop & laptop. so far, great except for bluetooth not having a gui. [18:59] caoliver: i havent tried it myself yet, but everyone here speaks nicely of it [18:59] I'm running Slamd12.2 on a number of boxes, and wonder what migration pains I'll encounter. [18:59] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.201.236.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:59] depending on your deployment, none. [19:00] well, possibly none. :D [19:00] caoliver, Yeah, I have no issues. Made it multilib, can play 32 bit games. Happy, happy. [19:00] adamk_: you still need the compat libs from slamd-current, right? [19:00] slack 13 is great, kde-4 is a bit of annoyance to some people, other swear it is great, all i can say is try it and see if it runs good on your hardware caoliver [19:00] Main warts are the blobs for the NVidia and ATI cards, only one of which wasn't a preinstall. [19:00] macavity, No, alienBOB has wiki on making it multilib.. [19:00] man, my laptop runs to hot stilll [19:00] adamk_: nice [19:00] it shutdown last night because it was at 97c [19:01] Action: macavity makes note [19:01] it hit 100c at one point I guess [19:01] macavity, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [19:01] I don't use a desk. [19:01] anyone have any idea why this would happen? [19:01] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] macavity, He provides links to multilib versions of gcc and glibc and, of course, you need the 32 bit packages from slackware 13. [19:01] no X? then you wont hardly notice a difference [19:01] PEKWM and a few dockapps are it. [19:01] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] Nick change: witukind__ -> Witukind [19:01] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] Witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-133.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] If it weren't for X11 I wouldn't worry about blob compat. [19:02] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-133.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [19:02] hackedhead: what do you think of dvd::rip [19:02] I mean I don't use anything heavy ala gnome or kde. [19:03] john_dee (n=id@93-81-69-171.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [19:04] How does the Xorg bundled ati driver work these days? The last time I tried it, my machine ran a few degrees hotter than with the ATI blob. [19:04] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.189.34.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] the current stable one craps out on my HD4350 [19:04] caoliver, I've never checked GPU temperature, but I'm quite happy with the open source drivers. [19:05] but rumor has it that latest git should handle all r700 chips just fine now [19:05] Depends on your definition of 'fine'/. [19:05] adamk_: r600? [19:05] macavity, I use an x850, x1900, and HD3450. [19:06] I would like it to work, 'cos ATI's wedges the machine hard if you try start a second server. (Card is mobility Radeon HD3470) [19:06] i dont remember.. is the 3450 r600 or r700? [19:06] macavity, The r600/r700 open source driver works, but still has many graphical glitches in 3D applications, including compiz. [19:06] macavity, r600. [19:06] ok [19:06] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) left ##slackware. [19:06] macavity, KDE4 opengl compositing works better than compiz, but crashes the X server the first time you start it. openarena plays, but crashes at the end of the level. [19:06] acidchild (i=ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] ok.. close, but no cigar [19:07] macavity, And it still needs some optimization. My x850 is faster :-) [19:07] Yeah, each week is better than the one before. [19:07] macavity: you really had not seen my multilib stuff before? [19:07] we hope for Mesa 7.6 to fix it then [19:07] alienBOB: nope.. i am still on 32 [19:07] alienBOB: .. and i dont run "binaries" [19:07] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.34.136) joined ##slackware. [19:08] What, you run source code? :-) [19:08] adamk_: hup.. i have a jit->gcc wrapper ;-) [19:08] Sounds like a fun time :-) [19:08] I just signed papers for a full time job and then I get a call from one of my contract clients who needs someone to fly to vegas to setup a server. Such is life. [19:09] adamk_: yes.. i started open office on my other machine last week.. i cant wait to see what it looks like ;-) [19:09] go to vegas!!! [19:09] macavity, Give me a call when you find out in about a month. [19:09] take your girlfriend and let Elvis Presley perform a wedding [19:10] adamk_: i think i will get my distcc patches ready for it before then.. then i will get OOo launch time down to less than a week [19:10] ... if i use all the machines in the hose [19:10] *house [19:11] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.96) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:12] john_dee (n=id@93-81-69-171.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:14] *:win 3 [19:14] bah [19:15] fail [19:15] Anyone else notice that kernel.org shows 2.6.31 as mainline in the table now? [19:16] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] firedix (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [19:16] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:17] O_O [19:17] hurry! we are late! [19:17] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:17] ach [19:17] rc9-git3 [19:18] snotshap [19:18] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:18] mainline [19:18] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.31.tar.bz2 [19:18] where is the announce? [19:19] wow [19:19] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.31 [19:19] Action: macavity can haz [19:19] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] that's the whole 2.6.31 changelog [19:20] I *knew* core i5 wouldn't be that great [19:20] there's an i5? [19:20] shit [19:20] ohh shit load fixes to i915 [19:20] *schweeeet*! [19:21] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "когда я умер небыло никого, кто бы это опроверг" [19:21] Camarade_Tux: the i5 makes no point what so ever.. check it on WP [19:21] jeev: *very* recent [19:22] macavity: WP says almost nothing [19:22] wack [19:22] my i7 is fine for now [19:23] basically it's slower or on par with amd's phenomII x4 965 and more expensive (especially if you take into account the need for a more exepensive motherboard and ddr3) [19:23] jeev: how much did it cost? [19:23] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.34.136) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [19:23] i duno, i got it free [19:23] core i7 940 [19:24] Action: Camarade_Tux kills jeev [19:24] how did you get it for free? [19:24] guilherme_ (n=guilherm@189.63.210.6) joined ##slackware. [19:24] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.34.136) joined ##slackware. [19:24] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.34.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] friend bought it for me [19:25] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:25] expect him to want to have warm showers with you in return ;-) [19:25] jeev: hmmm, are you dealing coke? [19:25] on an unrelated note for folks who may be in a market for a new laptop, dell is coming out with a neat new model: lattitude z [19:25] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] Camarade_Tux++ [19:25] no [19:26] i'm not involved with drugs [19:26] sadomy? [19:26] only with your sisters [19:26] ananke: can't be good: "z lattitude" is too close to "slackytude" -_- [19:26] ohh.. i would pay good money to see that [19:26] disgust [19:26] :P [19:26] macavity: actually have a sister? [19:27] Camarade_Tux: : hehe. however, the laptop is neat. despite having 16" display [wide screen], it's very slim and light [19:27] Camarade_Tux: nope.. but i sure as hell can find a 400 pound strife bitch that will take it in the rear for the right price ;-) [19:27] it's like a bigger mac air [19:27] ananke: he, gonna check that out ;) [19:28] macavity: hahaha :P [19:28] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] ananke: you mean like a mac air that can accomodate more usb ports? >< [19:28] i'm actually considering moving to it from my current xps [19:28] Camarade_Tux: :actually, i think it has maybe one or two usb ports. i recall seeing only one on the model this morning [19:29] ananke: yeah, looking at pictures it doesn't have many ports... [19:29] that better be a multitouch touch pad I see on that thing [19:29] what was neat were dual sdds, and wireless docking station and wireless charging [19:29] If it is, I'm buying [19:29] wireless charging? [19:29] yes. some kind of induction coil technology [19:30] well, good night ;) [19:30] macavity, wireless charging = consumer death ra [19:30] ray [19:30] i dont care if they dont include protons or whatever [19:31] antiwire: i think they mentioned multitouch, but i'm very certain they mentioned that the screen has a side touch [19:31] my D620 is aging [19:31] jeev: oh? the kind of stuff they have on the Death Star? [19:31] I've been waiting to upgrade until the next batch come [19:31] antiwire: i cant seem to find any official specs? [19:31] what's death star [19:32] jeev: the think Darth Vader flies around on [19:32] what the fuck is a darth vader [19:32] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-87-25.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:32] oh, that movie [19:32] jeev: like, this huge ass moon sized battle station [19:32] i sat for three hours in a dell enterprise client/server preview, this was definitely the most interesting new product [19:32] yea, i dont care for that [19:32] and it has this really mega awsome green power beam thingie that can blow up an entire planet [19:33] that kind of wireless charging? [19:33] jeev likes to pretend that he ignores all popular/blockbuster/cultural behemoths, like Star Wars [19:33] nope [19:33] it's like a teenager, rejecting anything that his parents may know/like :) [19:33] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.25) joined ##slackware. [19:33] macavity: Did any of the changes in i915 mean anything to you? re 2.6.31 [19:33] ok.. like luke refusing to belive that dath vader is his father? [19:34] lol [19:34] dofas (n=rodolfo@189.71.83.35) joined ##slackware. [19:34] antiwire: i think one of them fixes my batch-buffer problem [19:34] grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log [19:34] (EE) intel(0): [drm] drmAddMap(batchbuffer_handle) failed! [19:35] I'm building right now with the sole purpose of testing ath5k AP mode [19:35] please please let it work [19:35] Action: macavity offers God a sacrifice of 21 Realtec 8129 cards in return [19:35] no shit.. i have saved that many of them, just in case :P [19:36] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.189.34.136) joined ##slackware. [19:36] I saw some rumor of rtl8187 supporting AP mode too, but I can't verify that at all [19:36] rehi [19:36] i should like to stick to ath5k [19:36] yeah [19:36] i am so freaking annoyed by the binary blobs/poison wear that goes with all the other [19:37] Action: macavity wants OpenBIOS to work with Intel chipsets too [19:41] juice__ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.0.6/ [19:41] new vbox out [19:42] Nick change: juice__ -> juice2 [19:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [19:44] OSE builds on SBo when? [19:48] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:48] Linux neutrino 2.6.31-RAS #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Sep 9 16:39:02 PDT 2009 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [19:48] so far so good [19:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:49] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:50] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] ath5k has been working at least since 2.6.29 in AP mode [19:50] k [19:51] witukind: and you're using an ABG card right? [19:51] no a BG card [19:51] ;) [19:51] why? [19:51] because I'm not the only one who reported the issue I experienced. [19:52] you have problems getting to work with 'a'? [19:52] It is not just A. It is certain chipsets [19:52] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] hum ok, mine is a miniPCI that came in a laptop [19:53] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:53] and 2.6.31-rc9 was the first kernel besides wireless-testing to have ath5k AP mode [19:54] chopp: which version of hostapd are you using? 0.6.9 or git? [19:54] chopp, I have my ath5k working in AP mode with stock Linux 2.6.29.5 right now, just had to change one line to enable AP mode [19:54] antiwire: 0.6.9 [19:54] thanks [19:55] witukind: I realize it can be done, I did that myself for a bit. [19:55] guilherme_ (n=guilherm@189.63.210.6) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] I'm weary about upgrading even so much I don't have problems [19:56] WPA2 and everything [19:57] jbv617 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Nick change: jbv617 -> ymu277 [19:58] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] I think it works [19:59] testing in one sec [20:02] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) joined ##slackware. [20:05] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:06] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.189.34.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] mayrllr (n=na@unaffiliated/mayrllr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:07] mayrllr (n=na@unaffiliated/mayrllr) joined ##slackware. [20:08] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) left irc: Client Quit [20:08] chopp: lol kthxbai? did you really type that? [20:08] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] dofas (n=rodolfo@189.71.83.35) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:10] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.189.34.136) joined ##slackware. [20:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:10] lf4: no it was my alternate personality [20:11] chopp: You've been talking to her to much. [20:11] Action: lf4 puts a rule chopp can not talk to surrealgirl for a week. lol [20:13] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:14] kind of like a cold, or a cramp....I just wish it would go away :P [20:14] mayrllr_ (n=na@92-232-88-239.cable.ubr05.sout.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:14] highlight in the *it* [20:15] Haha or hiccups [20:15] client can see the AP, a kistmet drone can see the AP and the AP reports the correct modes to kismet. nothing can associate [20:15] kismet* [20:15] handshake fails at set 2/4 [20:15] set/step [20:17] Is that how it was failing before too? [20:17] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [20:17] mayrllr (n=na@unaffiliated/mayrllr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:19] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:20] I'm so glad they fixed AP mode. Now it only hard locks my system instead of a kernel panic.... [20:20] excellent [20:21] damn [20:21] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [20:22] chopp: Do you have an example hostapd.conf that is sterile enough to let me see? [20:22] antiwire: sure just a sec [20:24] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) joined ##slackware. [20:25] hi all, does anyone know how if possible to enable direct3d in slackware64 13? [20:25] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Excess Flood [20:25] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] glxinfo | grep 'direct' doesnt show any output [20:25] isn't direct3d proprietary microsoft? [20:26] last time i checked, there was no direct3d for linux [20:26] have a x1400 without ati drivers just the radeon that comes with the installation [20:26] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [20:26] ok sorry guys, 3d acceleration [20:26] wizri (n=wizri@CPE001b11252845-CM001ceacccd58.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.134) joined ##slackware. [20:27] i just installed slack 13.0 [20:27] k [20:27] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] and i'm seeing a boot picture change where the penguin is replaced by a rat [20:27] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.37.11) joined ##slackware. [20:27] yes, that was something nasty linus put in for the 2.6.29 series [20:27] rat (wearing a penguin mask) per cpu/core instead of the usual penguin [20:27] it's a tasmanian devil isn't it? [20:28] to raise awareness about them, they are endangered [20:28] hiptobecubic: correct. [20:28] no, it just upsets regular linux users [20:28] i miss it [20:28] seriously [20:28] i want my penguin back [20:28] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Excess Flood [20:28] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Action: hiptobecubic prefers the devil [20:29] I'd like to see some other endangered animals used as well. It could be fun [20:29] fatherx, what makes you think you don't have 3d accel? [20:30] better than having the GNU animal -_- [20:31] some penguins have pairs of eggs [20:31] well, from what have read the glxinfo you give back: 'direct rendering: yes', and im not getting any output [20:31] _mayrllr (n=na@92-232-88-239.cable.ubr05.sout.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:32] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.189.34.136) left irc: No route to host [20:32] _mayrllr (n=na@92-232-88-239.cable.ubr05.sout.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:32] wizri (n=wizri@CPE001b11252845-CM001ceacccd58.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] is there any way i can find out for sure that i have/dont have '3d ? [20:33] winter (n=q3@game.satkol.pl) left irc: "leaving" [20:34] fatherx, Bring up a terminal and run 'glinfo'. You are specifically looking for the OpenGL Renderer line. [20:34] q3 (i=q3@game.satkol.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:34] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:34] Nick change: q3 -> winter [20:35] fatherx, Even the software rasterizer will give you a direct rendering result, but that's still not 3D acceleration, so that's no longer the best thing to check. [20:35] Nick change: winter -> Guest28832 [20:35] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:36] i get this with glinfor? GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 [20:36] Guest28832: hi winter [20:36] fatherx, Then you are using the open source Mesa r300 driver for 3D acceleration. [20:36] ? [20:36] fatherx, Which is as it should be. [20:36] lol [20:37] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:37] kool, will this allow me to have 3d rendering on virtualbox? [20:37] Nick change: Guest28832 -> winter [20:37] fatherx, I've never actually tried 3D rendering via virtualbox. [20:38] winter: identity crisis ? [20:38] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [20:38] fatherx, I guess it depends on if virtualbox needs a specific opengl feature or not. [20:38] tired, typed /quit instead of c,a,d [20:38] winter: ah [20:38] ok, thank you very much adamk_ [20:39] No problem. [20:39] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.189.34.136) joined ##slackware. [20:39] fatherx (i=1000@abraham.sh.cvut.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:41] 3D = height, width, depth, i guess ALL computer monitors are 2D because that third dimension is just faked by graphical artwork [20:42] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Excess Flood [20:42] mayrllr_ (n=na@92-232-88-239.cable.ubr05.sout.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:42] Pig_Pen: the display is 2D but I have yet to see a 2d monitor. [20:43] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.96) joined ##slackware. [20:43] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] monitors do have height and width, screen resolution, the depth is the fake part [20:44] Monitor = Physical Hardware, Display = (can't think of a word lol) :) [20:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:45] fscking works. [20:45] I had EAP enabled [20:45] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] radius was killing the connection in my old config [20:46] chopp: Thanks [20:47] Operation SlackAP may continue forward after months of waiting. [20:47] Wazzeg (n=Wazzeg@wc4zo1he33.adsl.datanet.hu) joined ##slackware. [20:49] Hopefully kms will actually work this time [20:49] with the new 2.6.31 [20:49] Cann0n (i=1337@dialup-4.91.101.42.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] alkos333: I just built it but I'm testing ath5k now [20:49] antiwire: awsome! Good to hear. [20:49] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Time to try that 600mw mini-pci card that I have stuck in an adapter now [20:51] antiwire: Nice, let me know how that goes [20:56] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:56] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:08] last night sure was OT [21:12] hiptobecubic: yeah boy [21:13] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20090909.jpg [21:13] Like a router firmware? or a server [21:13] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [21:17] abnorma|off (n=abnorma_@79-175-88-235.adsl-a-1.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [21:18] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: "Saliendo" [21:20] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427511.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:24] ok, i'll try to run X on vesa then [21:25] but i supose that it wont help also [21:25] Nick change: vbatts_ -> vbatts [21:28] lazulis (n=akari@117.120.26.242) joined ##slackware. [21:28] lazulis (n=akari@117.120.26.242) left ##slackware. [21:28] antiwire: see the new hubble picture's yet? [21:29] agentc0re: the butterfly nebula looks really cool [21:31] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-009-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:36] gnubien: they are all way cool. [21:37] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:38] agentc0re: wonder if the gov't has a copyright on those pix? [21:39] tax payer money paid for all that so i would guess they belong to the tax payers [21:39] gnubien in terms of law, what congress enacts, they cannot assert copyright; it's the people's business alledgedly. [21:40] what the govt does must be public. [21:40] RipVanWinkle: gov't works in mysterious ways :) [21:40] Quiznos: ask the CIA that ;) [21:40] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] i ack that there are exceptions; but not too many. [21:41] or try to visit Groom Lake AKA Area 51 [21:41] KB1JWQ (i=KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [21:41] i am going to Area 51 and apply for a job as a UFO pilot [21:41] corvo_ (n=corvo@187.58.250.254) joined ##slackware. [21:41] RipVanWinkle: good idea ;) [21:41] Anyone have a pointer to a changelog for 13.0? [21:42] i bet all the mirrors have a changelog.txt [21:42] KB1JWQ: it's on slackware.com [21:42] Durh, I'm swift. Found it, thanks. :-) [21:43] I do wonder what this'll do to slam64 [21:43] deco: hater. [21:44] quasar: k [21:45] Action: winter burps [21:45] that's my statement [21:45] Poof! [21:45] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:45] hi people [21:46] hi Thom1 [21:46] Thom1: hi person [21:46] KB1JWQ: I have a feeling it won't affect it in the way most think it will [21:46] KB1JWQ: fred has already been working with them on the 32bit compat stuff from what I understand. [21:46] However, I haven't really spoken to fred about that lately.. hehe [21:46] he's too busy trying to get his box up and running again :) [21:49] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:51] mentr (n=Hey@adsl-64-237-139-36.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:51] worker22 (n=worker@a83-161-252-137.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:51] mentr (n=Hey@adsl-64-237-139-36.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.25) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:52] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [21:54] molex is power cable for ide drive ? [21:55] durex [21:55] so what is molex if durex is for ide drives ? [21:56] http://images.google.com/images?hl=pt-BR&source=hp&q=molex&btnG=Pesquisar+imagens&gbv=2&aq=f&oq= [21:56] molex is a broad name covering quite a few plastic connectors [21:56] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:56] anyone using preemptive kernel? [21:57] http://agencytart.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/durex22.jpg [21:57] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [21:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.96) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:01] Thom1: usually modex 2 wire power connectors for ide drives [22:03] Lunatic0 (n=mw@187.40.245.114) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Lunatic0 (n=mw@187.40.245.114) left ##slackware. [22:05] gnubien, ok [22:05] GrantD (n=mw@187.40.245.114) joined ##slackware. [22:07] if it is stuck pull harder [22:08] hba (n=hba@189.188.153.117) joined ##slackware. [22:10] i'm haveing problems builing acerhk.ko on my latop which is an acer aspire 3000 i get this http://pastebin.com/m1cf0722c [22:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] i'm stumped atm any hel would be much apriciated [22:12] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [22:13] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [22:13] toastytoast: run this: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name "acerhk.ko" [22:13] toastytoast: run this: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name "*acerhk.ko" [22:15] nothing [22:15] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:16] toastytoast: google acerhk [22:16] i did i found the source and dled it from source forge [22:17] the sensors-detect says to save the lm_sensors on /etc/sysconfig/lm_sensors - leave it there? [22:18] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] and i read the install and readme they weren't much help :( [22:20] and when i did jsut a make i got a differnet erro than when i ran make acerhk.ko [22:20] user2438 (n=user4592@76.250.190.56) joined ##slackware. [22:21] In this job I start soon, one of the requirements is owning your own laptop and they will have a set of tools to install on it. Dare me to fire Slackware? [22:21] fire up** [22:21] They'd probably flip out [22:21] haha, they probably would [22:22] antiwire: just fire up slackware and then a windows install in qemu :P [22:22] I'll start up slackware haha exactly [22:22] I have an XP vm already in total working mode [22:22] perfect [22:23] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:23] user2438 (n=user4592@76.250.190.56) left irc: Client Quit [22:23] Just put a windows-ish wallpaper on there with kde4, they'll think it's vista. :) [22:23] what sort of job requires you to own your own laptop that they install their tools on? [22:24] you know my statement [22:24] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:26] worker22 (n=worker@a83-161-252-137.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] mag0o: It's not an uncommon requirement [22:26] if you want the job you fulfill the requirement. No one forces you to accept the job. [22:28] firedix (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:29] What I *will* do is log SMART Load_Cycle_Count's during work hours [22:30] \o/ just created his raid :D [22:30] 31337 [22:30] lf4: did it catch on fire yet? [22:30] That wasn't nearly as confusing as everything was making it out to be. [22:30] raidi s easy [22:31] antiwire: Haha not yet It's only been up for <2min [22:31] jeev: Yeah but documentation for it was difficult to find and understand. [22:31] :) time to add that to conky [22:31] raiding during install ???? [22:32] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] jeev: No post-install [22:32] it's possible to raid during install [22:33] Raid the cookie jar during the install, right around the middle of the a/ series [22:34] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:34] mmm cookies [22:34] I should have bought cookies today. :( [22:34] stybla (i=stybla@78.110.208.218) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Dominian: Yeah I know but this was already setup and installed when I got the last HDD. [22:35] oh I understand :) [22:36] was just making a general statement [22:36] Next time we fully expect a RAID on LVM with LUKS on the rootfs [22:36] nothing less [22:37] antiwire: lol I'll see what I can do. [22:38] antiwire: i was just curious as to the job type, i wasn't downing the job [22:38] rootfs on luks on lvm on raid is not that uncommon :) [22:38] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: "l8r" [22:39] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [22:39] good night good slackers [22:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] night macavity [22:40] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "And YES, rest assured, the mighty macavity WILL be back! ;-)" [22:44] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:45] omnipotentduo_ (n=omnipote@pool-71-164-173-129.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-148-99-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] gn macavit [22:46] stybla_ (i=stybla@78.110.208.218) joined ##slackware. [22:47] stybla (i=stybla@78.110.208.218) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:48] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [22:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [22:49] Cann0n (i=1337@dialup-4.91.101.42.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [22:56] Does anyone know of other decent streaming sites like hulu? [22:56] john_dee (n=id@93-81-69-171.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:56] veoh? [22:56] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-128-245-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:56] nice, never heard of that one [22:56] it's ok [22:58] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [22:58] I think I found some eps of QI on there once. [22:59] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:59] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [23:02] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:02] dioz_mio (i=freelove@88.241.136.204) joined ##slackware. [23:02] whats special in slack 13? [23:02] Nick change: omnipotentduo_ -> omnipotentduo [23:03] nothing, don't use it [23:03] it's so special, you can't even see it. [23:03] hmm [23:03] it's slackware - that's what's special [23:03] so special, it's stealth. [23:03] hehe [23:03] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.37.11) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:03] slackware 13 = ninja [23:03] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/09/obama_and_openid/ [23:03] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:04] dioz_mio: http://slackware.com/announce/13.0.php <-- perhaps you might want to read that. [23:04] alisonken1home: hah [23:04] US Govt. uses openid and info card to allow logins to their sites if you already have an id on some services like googlemail. conspicuously, ms id schemes are absent from th allowed services [23:05] firedix_ (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:05] firedix (n=firedix@host126.201-252-136.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] whoa now. gmail IDs have already been integrated? [23:07] what? [23:07] appropriately, I am logged into orwell.freenode.net [23:07] lol [23:07] resistance is futile, prepare to be asimilated [23:08] inseminated [23:08] I have an openid, and it isn't my google address [23:08] perhaps I should just upload my genetic map to google docs and be done with it [23:08] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:08] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] alisonken1home: InfoCard is MS, isn't it? [23:09] buffer *3 [23:10] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.96) joined ##slackware. [23:11] godling: don't know - but the page indicates that ms ID services (like hotmail) are absent from the login credentials [23:11] anyone on here know if I can setup virtual box share on a guest os of windows XP, so I can access those files on slackware? [23:11] some kde4.2 devs must really love kword [23:11] yes [23:11] dhw: I am running my vbox XP and my ubuntu right now, and they both are sharing my /music partition [23:11] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:12] hrm [23:12] (my slackware's /music partition). You'll need Guest Additions to do it. [23:12] godling: "Ten big-name OpenID providers will drive seamless logins, including Yahoo!, PayPal, Google, AOL, and VeriSign. For some reason, Microsoft - an InfoCard champion - is not on the list." [23:12] yeah, I installed Guest Additions on the XP system [23:12] slackwares /music partition? wouldn't it just me a /music partition? [23:12] dhw: No you cant only see what the host system can share unless you are useing a NFS [23:12] damned [23:12] Cann0n: I was just trying to be clear to dhw that my two guest vbox os's can share my host /music [23:13] and I don't have nfs or anything [23:13] dhw: Use a live CD if you need to move files on a local system. [23:13] well I suppose it would work the same way [23:13] alisonken1home: yes, that's confusing because InfoCard is mentioned in the article. [23:13] XP thinks its seeing a network drive called M: [23:13] if I put the code on my slackware system and edit on there and compiled it on windows [23:13] hm, briareus how did you set it up? [23:14] alisonken1home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfoCard [23:14] I installed virtualbox guest additions. then I mounted the guest additions .iso in each guest os (not while running, mount it in their setup config window) [23:14] dhw: are you trying to access a guest os's drive or the host? [23:14] I wonder how popular it will be. [23:15] then, I start each guest os, and while they are running I install the guest os's GuestAdditions software, then exit the vm's and mount the shared drive [23:15] ... [23:15] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] oh, you are using two guest systems [23:15] I want the host to beable to access files from the guest system [23:15] slackware[host]'s /music is then seen by the virtualbox XP and the virtualbox Ubuntu (in my case) as network drives [23:15] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [23:15] then it was just a matter of setting perms [23:16] oh, okay [23:16] slackware has /media [23:16] dhw: oh, sorry, I misunderestimated your situation [23:16] dhw: yeah I just made a seperate /music partition (and a /video and an /imagery for my digital art) I make those so I never lose them past system reinstalls [23:16] yeah [23:17] (but it did make it easier a bit to then point the vm's at them) [23:17] ill have to do some testing [23:17] briareus: a better bet would have been /home/[music|video|imagery] directories [23:18] alisonken1home: for you perhaps :) [23:18] briareus: i't be easier to make a /share and stick them all in there... [23:19] dhw: when you have the GuestAdditions .iso installed and mounted in for example an XP vm, then when XP is running you can either mount at xp's command prompt with "net use x: \\vboxsvr\x\y" or by mapping normally [23:19] okay, thanks [23:19] testing it now [23:19] as for mounting inversely (to use guest os' files in host) I dunno. [23:20] as long as the guest os can read/write it would be okay [23:20] yeah then its just perms on the target dir to make sure [23:20] I made my /music have an ownership of briareus:vboxusers [23:20] worked immediately [23:21] I had tried it last night but my laptop overheated before I could get it working [23:21] ew [23:21] take some canned air to that sucker (and stop dribbling cheetos into it) [23:21] aye [23:21] lol [23:22] I think it need new paste [23:23] another thing: you only need to mount that .iso once. when you next run the vm, you install the software that's mounted, and then you can mount your cdrom again normally in the vm config. i mention that since you have a laptop and thus probably only one cd drive [23:24] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [23:25] the ip of my host os is 192.168.1.49 [23:25] I tired using that with the new use I get error 67 [23:25] ...? [23:26] if you set up the network hardware in the config for that guest vm, virtualbox takes care of all that stuff. "repairing the ip" in your XP-guest will just get pointed to your real ip [23:26] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:26] (provided you're using dhcp in the guest xp) [23:26] oh vboxsrv is the actual name lol [23:27] sweet, works. [23:27] thanks a lot [23:28] negative perspiration [23:29] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) joined ##slackware. [23:29] ...is the result of super hero-like laziness? [23:30] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] that's how you reverse entropy! [23:30] what's etropy? [23:30] oh great here we go [23:30] mulder is having some problems [23:30] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-120-247.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] he needs the find the password! [23:31] they are hacking the system [23:31] lol [23:31] y0 slackers...How's everyone? [23:31] ACCESS GRANTED!! [23:31] laters, sleepytime [23:31] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:31] 2.6.31 is stable and my ath5k card works much better now. I'm good. [23:31] antiwire: where are we going? [23:31] yeah I'm rolling .31 right now [23:32] nice to hear stability [23:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:35] GrantD (n=mw@187.40.245.114) left irc: "Tony the Tiger uses The 7 Deadly Sins. Its Grrrrrrrrreat!   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [23:35] Enable Video For Linux API (DEPRECATED) (NEW) haha [23:35] now if I can only get the dang thing to connect with my Unicom wireless router in 128bit encryption :) [23:36] have they improved the radeon drivers? [23:36] I'll look [23:37] ATI chipset support under /dev/agpgart ? [23:38] ATI Radeon display support [23:38] I see those two. dunno if they are new, I don't normally look for it [23:39] hmm [23:39] i still on 2.6.27.7 [23:40] flightgear is laggy [23:41] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:42] i wonder why slackware's not listed as an option for guest os in vbox :( [23:43] damn seperatists [23:43] because it's too good for a vbox [23:43] Action: antler gets into combat gear [23:44] I dig my little conkys. I made a couple different ones, will make more next time it rains [23:44] Action: Cann0n only has a Santa Clause outfit, but puts it on anyways. [23:44] i like mine [23:44] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) left irc: "Leaving" [23:44] lemme find a sshot [23:45] briareus: and if it never rains again? [23:45] I had a really nice one, but I lost it with a stupid cp -r command during backup prior to reinstall [23:45] cp -r? cp-R? ah crap [23:45] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:46] oh well, next time rsync :) [23:46] http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/jts051686/snapshot2.jpg [23:47] what are you using for the system stats [23:48] dhw: that would be conky [23:48] me? [23:48] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:48] looks neat [23:48] Cann0n: nice desktop, like the transparency of the menu, blends in nicely with the blue/dark wallpaper [23:49] yeah. someone in here about a year ago showed me that wallpaper. [23:49] I need something to tell me the system temp [23:49] Lexus (n=alexey@95.129.162.218) left ##slackware. [23:49] you should see my flux menu setup [23:49] identity management is sort of creepy [23:49] it's in 16 different files [23:49] what the hell vbox says, "we're sorry, but you need an x86_64 cpu. you have an i686. select a different kernel" <---- um, the host is slack64 [23:49] 20* [23:49] dhw: I use gkrellm - it has a cpu temp krell that's nice [23:50] ^^ when trying to install slack64 [23:50] slackmagic: thanks btw [23:50] (as guest) [23:50] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [23:51] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:51] ill check that out also [23:53] well I'm out! [23:53] POOF!! [23:53] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:59] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:59] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Thu Sep 10 2009