[00:00] is it safe to remove the other languages besides english? [00:00] Cann0n, lol...now I'm thinking of Running Man(the short story by Stephen King(Richard Bachman) as well as the movie with Arnie) [00:01] that tight for space huh? check your /tmp first. [00:01] MLanden: LOL [00:01] Nick change: Barfolomew -> jewbacca [00:01] Cann0n: it's not that. i want to make /usr/share/ as small as possible for backup purposes over the net [00:02] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] wario: i'd imagine you can delete them then. i suggest against it since 200mb isn't shit [00:02] but to each their own. [00:03] Cann0n, formated that ntfs partitioned to ext4.... now i cant see it...how do i mount? [00:03] Cann0n: right, i know how much 200mb equates to. i'm more curious about the consequences of deleting them. [00:04] what's with the 15 years? I don't understand that. I think if it is proved someone is a killer, he should be executed. [00:04] Cann0n, nvm...should i just edit the fstab? [00:04] wario, I know there were older scripts floating of the web for purging Slackware's (I think either 10 or 11) locales...but dunno if it would show signs of breakage with 13 or current [00:04] wario: beats me. i know deleting the ones you use could cause issues [00:04] crashdata: yes. [00:04] s/of/on [00:04] thanks [00:05] MLanden: okay, thanks. that is exactly what I was wondering. [00:05] crashdata: try mount -t ext4 /path/to/device /path/to/dir [00:05] yah i got it mounted [00:05] thanks [00:05] alreadygone: i agree... but it's inhumane to kill killers... because tehy had a crappy childhood or something lame like that. [00:06] crashdata: np [00:07] "it's inhumane to kill killers" funniest thing I heard this morning [00:07] :) [00:07] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:07] speaking of that. i just came across eric harris' doom wads. [00:07] redtricycle (~redtricyc@web75.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] lol [00:09] mwnn (~user@59.96.41.229) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:09] using prboom from slackbuilds and tried zdoom though had trouble with sound in zdoom. [00:10] though liked the gtk menu zdoom provides. [00:10] Action: wario shrugs [00:10] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:10] zfra (~zerofranc@189.216.253.251) joined ##slackware. [00:11] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [00:11] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:11] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] I am trying to setup my wireless usb card on zenwalk, running kernel 2.6.28.7, dmesg show usbcore: registered ... rtf2500usb, I already did modprobe rtf2500usb, but card still not work [00:11] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [00:12] I had to uninstall libpng to install prboom because it needs a patch, though just easier to uninstall and reinstall after prboom is finished. If prboom doesn't find libpng it uses standard bmp for screenshots is all. [00:12] zfra: future advice, if it's not Slackware, it's not supported here. [00:12] zfra: by slackware, i don't mean slackware-based. [00:12] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace [00:12] zfra: better to leave zenwalk out of the question if you wanted help. heheh [00:13] zfra: though, i'm sort of bored so.. what does ifconfig -a show? [00:13] don't mean to be an asshole about it. only reason i know this is because i often use Salix, which is slackware based [00:14] thanks, ifconfig -a, just shows eth0 and lo [00:15] zfra: is the rtf2500usb modules showing up with lsmod |grep -i rtf ? [00:16] zfra: who makes the wireless device? [00:16] with grep -i rtf, nothing, however with grep -i rt [00:16] zfra, is that compatible with the ralink rt2400/rt2500 driver? [00:17] rt2500usb, rt2x00usb, rt2x00lib, rfkill [00:18] ansel wireless is the provider [00:18] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:19] Mlanden: I think it is compatible, I search some on the web it says it is, and the dmesg message: [00:19] should pop up as wlan0 [00:19] usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2500usb, makes me think that is well supported too. Linux wireless says it's supported. [00:20] iwlist scan shows nothing being scanned correct? [00:20] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [00:20] it does'n pop up. [00:20] the leds on the card are turned off still too. [00:20] john_dee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:21] i'm thinking maybe you have loaded the wrong module possibly [00:21] true [00:21] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon121709.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:21] zfra: what does lsusb -v output for the device pid and vendor id? [00:21] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:22] lsusb -v |grep -i product [00:22] lsusb -v |grep -i vendor [00:24] idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation, idProduct root hub, iProduct uhci host controller [00:24] no [00:24] for the usb wireless adapter [00:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [00:25] nothing else with lsusb -v [00:25] actually lsusb i think should give enough info by itself [00:25] bleeding|edge (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:26] zfra: lsusb and look for your wireless usb device [00:26] it does, just for the root hub [00:26] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [00:26] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Disconnected by services [00:26] then unhook it and plug it back in, it's not being seen apparently [00:26] Nick change: bleeding|edge -> phoenix^ [00:27] bleeding|edge (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:27] bleeding|edge (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:28] you guys did it! up and running, so for the record, ansel 2418, module needed rt2500usb [00:29] thanks though I didn't know I did anything. ;) [00:29] modprobe foo, unplug, plug [00:30] heh okay. just make sure that stick doesn't wiggle out too much.. it may be loose. [00:30] that is exactly the problem, thanks again. [00:31] zfra, what might've happened was that the device got misregistered as ohci-usb or ehci-usb..sometimes happens [00:31] john_dee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:32] how to figure out when that happens? [00:32] then again you can compile your kernel with out the one you don't need :) [00:32] like a blacklist for modprobe? [00:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:33] could have been what MLanden said or it possibly just came loose [00:33] or both. when it presses on your leg a lot it can become loose over time [00:34] just make sure it is secure and unplug replug if needed in the future. [00:34] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:34] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] is it a laptop? [00:34] hello [00:35] zfra: basically if it doesn't show under lsusb you need to reconnect it. :) [00:35] got it, yes is a laptop. [00:36] does anybody have an nvidia 8600gt? i can't get the nvidia driver to work [00:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:37] functionoverform: which driver version? [00:37] functionoverform, what error are u getting when u are trying to install it? [00:37] i'm not getting an error [00:37] that's the problem lol [00:37] its stuck in 640x? [00:37] like.. some god awful low resolution [00:38] functionoverform: did you fun nvidia-xconfig ? [00:38] yes [00:38] so u were able to install it? [00:38] yeah, i was [00:38] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:38] but it gives me like no options [00:38] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] for increased resolution [00:38] functionoverform: did you fun nvidia-xconfig ? [00:38] yes i did [00:38] try uninstalling and reinstalling? [00:39] no, i didn't [00:39] functionoverform: and nvidia-settings doesn't give you options for resolutions? [00:39] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:39] hang on a sec, i'll try this again, i'll sign into here on my laptop so i can talk and try to fix it [00:40] functionoverform (mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:40] i'm guessing it isn't a problem with nvidia. [00:40] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] here we go.. alright [00:41] wow.. that's a HUGE K.. lol [00:41] lemme open my xorg.conf and see what's up [00:42] functionoverform: have you used the nvidia-settings utility as root? [00:42] they make it so you don't have to edit xorg.conf in most cases [00:42] functionoverform, which kernel are you using? [00:43] i think its current [00:43] is there a way to get it to display? [00:43] uname -a [00:43] or just uname -r [00:43] or -r if you're into breivty [00:44] *brevity [00:44] 2.6.29.6 [00:44] mancha: did you se my elvis hex editor tip? [00:44] functionoverform: answer my last question please [00:44] ang i did not [00:44] i am right now [00:44] i have it open [00:44] good [00:45] now top option for monitors [00:45] it says the layout is hidden because the screen height is less than 600 pixels [00:45] lol.. ugh.. it runs fine at 1024x768 with the vesa xorg [00:45] mancha: http://elvis.vi-editor.org/elvisman/elvisdm.html#hex [00:45] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:46] functionoverform: well in that case you may need to edit the xorg.conf if nvidia-seetings will not give you an option to change it. [00:46] just make it the resolution you like and that _should_ do the trick. :) [00:46] mancha: but you still need to select insert, replace, change, etc first [00:46] alright, lemme see here [00:47] nvidia legacy? [00:47] ang, doesn't work here [00:47] worked fine here [00:47] its the current one [00:48] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:48] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:48] here it actually inserts a hex 24 when i type control-x [00:48] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.216) joined ##slackware. [00:48] its x86-190.42 [00:48] mancha: you have to enter insert or replace mode first [00:49] oh weird, i do enter insert mode, the ^x puts a 24 there and when i type the hex value ti replaces he 24 with it [00:49] that's ugly [00:49] that's weird [00:49] you don't get that? [00:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [00:50] i did replace instead of insert.....with insert i saw your bhavior [00:50] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:50] yep, i don't like the insert behavior tbh [00:50] though i guess that is for when you actually want to insert a control-x [00:51] functionoverform: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.15/ [00:52] functionoverform: if nothing works and/or you want to you can try that one. i think it's the latest beta [00:52] hrmm, ang, i've flip-flopped on this issue now. i actually think the insert behavior is "better" or less worser (heh) than the replace. how do you replace a character with a control-x ? [00:52] mancha: try going in to insert mode then doing ^X^X then entering the hex digits, that seems to work fine [00:53] i'm pretty new here.. how do i thoroughly uninstall the one i have? and is there a new nvidia-kernel that i have do grab with it [00:53] functionoverform: did you use the slackbuild to install it? [00:53] it'll uninstall the old one [00:53] does anybody know how to install this font? http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html ...funny but i was hoping there would be a Makefile with it :-P [00:53] mancha: r, ^X, digit digit [00:53] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:53] no i mean really put in a control-x [00:53] If you just sh the .run file, it does it all automagically. [00:54] in insert, ^x^x does the same as ^x (still puts the 24 in there until i enter the 2 digits) [00:54] yes i did [00:54] If you used a slackbuild, remove (or upgrade) the package. [00:54] i guess you'd have to know what ^X was in hex :) [00:55] "...the old package." [00:55] fhobia: get the otf version and place it in /usr/share/fonts/OTF [00:55] thanks, wario, i'll try that [00:55] ang, the intersting thing is that the "24" is ^x but in decimal (not hex) although it is placed as a placeholder in the hex side [00:56] fhobia: try not. do. [00:56] wario: roger [00:57] fhobia, after so....type fc-cache -f -v in root [00:57] I had some really weird troubles with the legacy nvidia driver (including a ridiculously large "screen") [00:57] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) joined ##slackware. [00:57] the xconfig script, however, seemed to have done the trick for me. [00:58] MLanden: sweet, i see it scanning that OTF directry that wario mentioned [00:58] ang thanks for the link though - you've uncovered a mystery for me, i am going to not rest until i find out about the "24" [00:58] lol [00:58] np [00:58] fhobia, cool [00:58] first person i am going to question: bauer, jack. [00:58] haha [00:58] functionoverform: you should be able to modify the slackbuild for the new version i mentioned. [00:59] yeah, just change the name of the file in the slackbuild to match the one i download? [00:59] functionoverform: just remember after installing the slackbuid to run nvidia-switch -install [00:59] I have a separate issue (X dies painful deaths upon logout) now... I'd try booting into runlevel 3, removing (nvidia-uninstall, I think) and reinstalling the latest stable release. Then use the cli configuration scripts and try 'startx' [00:59] or --install whichever it is [01:00] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Quit: http://clicanimaux.com svp cliquez sur le bouton au millieu de la page pour nourir un animal abandonné, please click on the button and feed a poor and forseken animal for free ! http://clicanimaux.com [01:00] alright, i'll let ya know how it goes in a few [01:00] mancha: you could always email elvis' author. he's responded in the past when i've found bugs [01:00] k [01:01] ang, true though for the few times i edit hex i use hexedit (i really like it) [01:01] trhodes: my port is coming to a grinding halt.....so boring compiling everything [01:02] why's it halted ? [01:02] just bored ? [01:02] yeah :) [01:02] haha [01:02] 'cause it's so slow ? [01:02] i need to just edit ll the build scripts and write another script to kick off all the compiles [01:03] what port? [01:03] would cross compiling help or hurt ? [01:03] alpha [01:03] trhodes: i think i'd be done by now if i had a decent cross-compiler [01:03] tho i'm following MoZes' advice ... slow and steady [01:04] cool :) [01:04] i'm saving kde for last [01:04] ang you're porting slack to a new arch? how'd you get the secret recipe (order of compiles/installs)? [01:04] probably gentoo :) [01:04] at least some [01:05] mancha: well, it's sorta been done before....orlan updated the old port ages ago. [01:05] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:05] veritos (~koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] i like the rxvt-unicode faq entry about gentoo :-P [01:05] mancha: mostly trial and error :) rworkman and MoZes have helped a lot [01:05] In the initrd I am getting "mdev: /sys/class/scsi_host/host4: no such file or directory" and the same for host5. This happens on 32 bit but not 64 bit. Is it problematic? [01:05] There is no secret recipe. It's "keep plugging along until it all compiles" [01:05] but i did get quite a few patches from gentoo. they're the only ones that support linux on alpha now [01:05] if you get stuck in any part let me know, i pretty much know the complicated circular stuff (or at least have it in my notes) [01:07] ang: best of luck with that. :) [01:07] BP{k}: hehe, thanks [01:07] for all intents and purposes... I have all the "major" stuff done [01:07] now it's just a matter of completeness :) [01:07] rworkman, having it just compile isn't enough sometimes, to get all the goodness from "B" you might have to compile it twice [01:07] you've got X, correct ? [01:07] trhodes: ya [01:08] but you know that :) [01:08] veritos: does everything still work? [01:08] i figured as much, asking about windows dumps'n'all [01:08] *window [01:08] mancha: well, once I get everything compiled and installed, i'll kick off another pass to compile everything again [01:08] Action: rworkman understands slow builds :/ Been playing with the sheevaplug a bit [01:08] rworkman: yes [01:09] rworkman: Behaviour is normal; I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to silently eat my data in a couple weeks. [01:09] veritos: I wouldn't worry *too* much then. That shouldn't happen, but I suspect it's a problem with mdev -- that 'host4' should be a symlink to a pci device [01:09] i only know of 3 ppl who have slackware on an alpha :) so this is mostly a learning exp. [01:09] rworkman: how much faster is the guruplug? [01:10] did any of them use cross compilation ? [01:10] ang: it's the same [01:10] isn't it a faster proc? [01:10] trhodes: not as far as i'm aware [01:11] rworkman: buy seven. I see yuo guys like make -j7 :) [01:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: this [01:12] mancha: same proc in the guruplug afaik [01:12] ang: I plan to buy one every few months :D [01:12] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:12] hehe [01:12] I'll have a plugfarm. [01:13] gumstix are arm too i think? [01:13] yes [01:13] those are really tiny [01:13] Well, why not? Several of them could probably run for *hours* on a cheap UPS without mainline power [01:14] Hey, they've got Mac Mini colocation---why not plug colo? [01:14] Indeed [01:14] weird i though the proc was upgraded to 2.0, what's on the sheeva? [01:15] maybe tomorrow instead of compiling i'll just edit build scripts and kick off the compile at bedtime [01:15] You could easily get a plastic project box from an electronics store, mount some laptop drives in it connected via usb through a usb hub... [01:15] Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l) [01:15] BogoMIPS: 1192.75 [01:16] trhodes: ftp://sky.up-above-it.org/pub/alpha/STATUS.txt <-- progress meter :) x=not done !=more current version than current for the alpha [01:16] yah a 1.2 ghz marvel cpu, i think the guru might be a 2.0 ghz marvell cpu [01:16] haha, cool :) [01:16] s/marvel/mavell [01:17] ang: not bad progress there [01:17] mancha: well, that will be an added bonus! [01:18] I ordered a Guruplug Server Plus Wednesday [01:18] ang: most of those should be easy fixes, too [01:18] veritos: thx! getting there :) [01:18] rworkman: I was looking at those the other day. looks interesting [01:18] 67% cpu speed improvement? i'd say a nice bonus yeah. [01:18] Action: veritos wishes that he could afford an Alpha [01:18] and the power bill, too [01:18] That will be something I can take to LUG meetings along with my Verizon 3g usb dongle and have an instant wifi AP for the fellow geeks [01:19] NyteOwl: almost sure to be worth the money. The SheevaPlug was $100, and I love it, even though it's still not doing what I intend to do with it [01:20] what are you using it for? [01:20] Nothing yet, but it's going to be my firewall [01:20] ah sweet [01:20] Action: fhobia just enabled nickcolor.pl for irssi :3 yay [01:20] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:20] veritos: they are expensive for some reason. i got this ages ago on ebay...end of 2002. hadn't touched it in ages. but then I say 1gb of RAM on ebay for it for $10 and the rest is history [01:20] rworkman: that's what I was thinking when I saw the guruplug and the dual LAN ports [01:20] My home net is the verizon 3g card. The one usb port on the plug will have that, and the ethernet port will connect to a commercial router for now. [01:21] arm server would be nice here for the power outages [01:21] veritos: dusted it off about 6 weeks ago and have just been doing this port as a project :) [01:21] trhodes: yes indeed [01:21] rworkman: you got the myfi dongle thing? [01:21] the guru plug has an esata port too :) [01:22] the verizon 3g mini wireless router [01:22] wario: it's just a "normal" cell modem that plugs into a usb port [01:22] ah [01:22] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:22] I'm not paying for that myfi thing when I can build one :) [01:22] true [01:22] how is 3g for home internet ? [01:22] It sucks. [01:23] TOS sucks for 3G [01:23] But it's better than my other options: dialup and satellite [01:23] yeah, indeed [01:23] no dsl? [01:23] they like to sell it as "web only" [01:23] good for travel though [01:23] bandwidth sucks on dialup, and latency sucks on satellite. [01:23] at least dsl's available here :) [01:23] trhodes: so far, I've had no problems. I usually get about 60k either way here. [01:23] not bad [01:23] remote villages in ethiopia have dsl, where do you live? [01:23] mancha: nope, no dsl or cable here. [01:23] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Alabama, USSA [01:24] an office i'm doing a website for only has satellite :/ [01:24] Satellite also has the disadvantage of things like "We'll shut down your access for 24 ours if you download 200 megs in 1 hour or 500 megs in a day." [01:24] that is weird, why doesn't your telco provide dsl or your cableco provide cable internet? [01:25] jkwood: yeah, there's that too, but the dealbreaker for me is the latency. As you all know, I work over ssh, well, ALLL THE TIME. I can't handle 1 second lags from keypress to visual feedback [01:25] USA has about the worst broadband penetration of any industrialized nation. [01:25] Even though the Internet and, for the most part, modern computing were born here... [01:25] mancha: cableco doesn't serve here at all - the line stops about 1/4 mile from here. [01:25] rworkman: Dealing with it all week at work, I can understand. [01:25] satellite also has a 500ms ping [01:25] mancha: dsl isn't available here [01:25] rural cable also often goes out with the power [01:26] Action: veritos forever stops bitching about Comcast, the monopoly [01:26] s/monopoly/local &/ [01:26] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:26] naw, comcast still sucks :P [01:26] COCSK [01:26] AT&T keep telling me that UVerse is coming here, but I'll believe that when Angelina Jolie and Eliza Dushku show up for a foursome with my wife and me. [01:26] mancha: You have to be close enough to the phone exchange for dsl. In places like Alabama and Missouri and Arkansas and Wyoming, that's nigh-on impossible outside the city limits. [01:26] and you'll never see my ass again. [01:27] You're waiting on those two, as well? [01:27] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:27] ok fair enough, if your POTS->home distance is that great i can grok it [01:27] Help. I do not get connected to the Internet upon bootup. [01:27] MrHales: definitely. [01:27] Some people just are so rude about not keeping appointments, you know? [01:27] damn, i thought i was next [01:27] also it make no sense to lay miles and miles of coax for a single cable subscriber. [01:27] Mel-nix: do you have an appointment? [01:27] Even in civilised parts, Comcast has weird routing, too. I'm near Seattle, and traffic to the nearest university gets routed through fucking San Diego. [01:27] Yes. My wife is very understanding. She understands that I don't care if she watches, but it's a given that I'm going to hurt either or both of those if I ever get the opportunity. [01:28] wario: With whom? [01:28] the internet [01:28] My in-laws are on charter, and they have some of the most fucked up DNS that I've ever seen [01:28] wario: Sorry, I didn't understand. [01:28] nvm [01:29] Mel-nix: what is wrong that you can not connect? [01:30] :P anybody using gnash ? [01:30] gnash kinda sucks man [01:30] yep [01:30] damn [01:30] ok. bed. later dudes [01:30] g'nite ang [01:30] 1. It takes about 62.4 months to compile 2. It doesn't support the latest flash which means 99% of current content is not viewable [01:32] saying 'gnash kinda sucks' is like saying my wife is 'kinda pregnant' [01:32] wario: I have to manually run `dhclient' in order to get connected. [01:32] rworkman: congratulations [01:32] ;) [01:32] Mel-nix: you haven't tried wicd? [01:32] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Changing host [01:32] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Mel-nix: 1. we use dhcpcd in Slackware 2. did you run netconfig? 3. is this a wireless interface? [01:33] wario: thanks :-) She's about 7.5 months along now [01:33] nice [01:33] the non sucky part of gnash is the project's aim [01:33] o_o not sure whether to laugh at rworkman's joke or not [01:33] that's it though [01:33] guys what do i do: [01:33] the road to hell is paved with good intentions [01:33] take off the install of OS X off of my second disk and install slackware [01:33] or leave it be? [01:33] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) joined ##slackware. [01:33] mach_kernel: yes. [01:34] rworkman: Yes, I ran netconfig. eth0 [01:34] i miss linux [01:34] :( [01:34] os x runs gay [01:34] less enters [01:34] more content [01:34] mach_kernel: you shouldn't even have to ask that question [01:34] more boot [01:34] Mel-nix: okay, so after boot, does runnign 'dhcpcd eth0' connect? [01:34] meh i ran osx86 cause i used to be part of the whole scene [01:35] a developer for the x86 mac haxors [01:35] i just hate it [01:35] it's so ugh ew [01:35] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:35] That and hard to administer as well, especially when they change their init system 3 times over OS X's life [01:36] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:36] It's like a linux wannabe almost [01:36] haha [01:36] wario: nah, that's just ubuntu [01:36] fuck i just hate lilo [01:36] i have to use grub [01:36] veritos: haha [01:36] grub is in extra [01:37] yeah [01:37] lilo just loves diq [01:37] wario: the rest use weird init systems but at least keep them for more than six months [01:37] more boot [01:37] true. i digress [01:37] i can't wait [01:37] to be specific, more boot in ass [01:37] i'll have 8 penguins on top :D [01:38] mach_kernel: why are you wasting time talking with us and not installing? [01:38] cause it's late - my gf drained me an hour ago, and i want to dwindle down and sleep soon [01:38] offs [01:38] excuses excuses.. [01:39] rworkman: moar fireworks. [01:39] rworkman: I don't remember running that. However running dhcpcd with '-k' and then '-n' works. [01:39] mach_kernel: you should play a nice fps to wind down and frag some noobs. :) [01:40] played bf2 and pwnt a team of 10 [01:40] we were like two [01:40] haha [01:40] (gf + me, but i think she had a wallhack, never gives it to me) [01:40] I was like two once. Then I turned three and never looked back. [01:40] mach_kernel: i'd dump her [01:40] over a wallhack? [01:40] yes [01:41] it's the small things that matter [01:41] MrHales, how'd ya feel when you reached four? [01:41] haha [01:41] wario i think i'm out [01:41] night fellows [01:41] when i turned 4 i installed my first unix [01:41] night [01:41] linux install in the morning [01:41] later [01:41] enjoy [01:41] mancha: in your diaper? [01:41] cookie linux? [01:41] /dev/poop [01:42] Action: wario thinks that would be a cool distro. [01:42] have the cookie monster as mascot. so easy a .. 4 year old could use it [01:42] Ubuntu: inspired by baby shit [01:43] MLanden: Orgasmic. I made a very important discovery that year. Strange, it's the one project I never tire of fiddling with. [01:43] Red Scat Linux [01:43] yikes [01:43] Action: wario hopes he's talking about the music genre. [01:44] MrHales, lol [01:44] Two GNUs, one CUPS? [01:44] lmao [01:44] Mel-nix: is the "-n" *necessary* ? [01:45] MrHales: thanks for giving me my next blog entry title. when i decide to make a blog. :D [01:46] hey wario [01:46] how am i supposed to edit the slackbuild [01:46] yes [01:46] veritos (koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [01:46] i'm so confused right now [01:46] i gvim it, right [01:46] to go in there, edit the little bastard [01:46] are you using sbopkg or downloading from the site? [01:46] i downloaded it from the site [01:46] k [01:46] Ifyou don't know how to edit it, then you don't need to edit it. [01:47] oh.. i need to [01:47] lol [01:47] functionoverform: you also need to edit the info file [01:47] i mean [01:47] No, you don't. [01:47] maybe that's what it is [01:47] wario, here's a t-shirt to go with that blog title http://rlv.zcache.com/100_orgasmic_tshirt-p235825521986614934qw9u_400.jpg :P [01:47] If you have to ask questions on that, then you're going to be helpless when something *real* goes wrong. [01:47] because it doesn't appear to point at that exact file name [01:47] functionoverform: he does have a point [01:47] what dude? lol.. i'm no programmer, but i can use a text editor just fine.. i've just never edited a slackbuild [01:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:48] MLanden: haha nice [01:48] i'll figure it out dude.. that's how i learn stuff [01:48] You don't know how to edit it, but you expect me to believe that the script is wrong? Sure. [01:48] functionoverform: it's not about being a programmer it's about rtfm. [01:48] the slackbook? [01:48] It *could* be wrong, but that wouldn't be my first conclusion if I were you. [01:49] i've got it in a binder next to me lol.. if that counts [01:49] Granted, I'm a bit biased. [01:49] rworkman: he is using a newer version of nvidia driver and wants to update the slackbuild to reflect that [01:49] right, so the info file [01:49] Ah, okay, that's fair. [01:49] Hrm, I might have a better idea for him. Give me a few. [01:49] is what actually lists the verbose file name, and the build script itself, just says "version" everywhere.. [01:49] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.216) left irc: Quit: "Time to re-boot". [01:50] so i'll give it a shot, the i've got my xorg.conf backed up if everything fails [01:50] functionoverform: version in .Slackbuild needs to be changed and in .info [01:50] there isn't a version in the .SlackBuild [01:50] i used the search and replace tool in gvim [01:50] functionoverform: remember there are two slackbuilds that apply. the kernel one and the driver one. [01:51] yeah, i was gonna ask if the order that i do them in makes a difference [01:51] functionoverform: sec. i'll take a look [01:51] hahahaha approved "rworkman" [01:51] on the bottom of the info file [01:52] nice dude.. somebody's a pro [01:52] functionoverform: the version is clearly there in both slackbuilds [01:52] really [01:52] lemme look again [01:52] don't use find and replace [01:52] I'm a pro. You want to party? [01:52] o_o [01:52] aahahhahahahaha [01:52] VERSION=190.42 [01:52] party time [01:52] MrHales, since you were four,right?.....:P [01:53] MrHales: Be careful talking about parties in this channel. [01:53] uh oh [01:53] jkwood: sup bud [01:53] jkwood, true [01:53] so...besides vim...any apps look better with 256 color terminal ? [01:53] lol MrHales [01:53] Well, I don't allow paladins in my party... half-orc barbar- er, I mean, um... beers. yeah, beers. [01:54] heh [01:54] MrHales: you need a healer! [01:54] wario: About ready for bed, if I can convince myself to go. [01:54] fhobia, you could try the color schemes with mocp and calcurse [01:54] jkwood: i still use your sbsuite.rb thanks for that contribution. [01:55] Oh, cool. =) [01:55] s/sbsuite.rb/old faithful :) [01:56] i see NVIDIA-Linux-$TARGET-$VERSION-pkg0.. [01:56] functionoverform: at the top of the slackbuilds there is a version= i'm looking at it [01:56] line 30 [01:56] shit there we go [01:57] now through that one out since you murdered it and redownload [01:57] i see, i was assuming, in my non-scripting ever mind, that version had to be defined somewhere [01:57] i just couldn't find it [01:57] throw* [01:58] hmm? [01:58] i don't think i murdered anything [01:58] well for my sake please use a fresh copy. :) [01:58] it is defined somewhere ... [01:58] ok lol.. i'll grab it [01:58] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [01:58] just redownload on kget [01:59] This is why builds.slamd64.com is git-based - if you break something, git revert fixes you up. [01:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:00] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:02] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:02] functionoverform: in the .info there are like 4 places that mention version that need to be updated [02:03] yeah i saw those lol.. those are nice and clear to me [02:03] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] needs to be done for kernel and driver slackbuild. [02:03] yeah.. is it necessary to somehow undo the old ones that i did before? [02:04] just uninstall them [02:04] since they were causing issues possibly [02:05] fhobia,that nickcolor.pl script is nice [02:05] :3 yeah [02:05] functionoverform: you familar with vim/gvim keys yet? [02:06] i stick to gvim, so i can move the cursor around, i can struggle through vim [02:06] okay [02:06] i have the online cheatsheet bookmarked on this laptop [02:06] lol [02:06] the tutorial helps a lot [02:07] hytee (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:07] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.216) joined ##slackware. [02:07] vimtutor [02:07] alright, i google so much.. but you guys are sooo much faster.. and it still takes me like 5 hours to get anything done [02:07] like at this point.. i really don't feel like the vesa xorg is ruining my life [02:07] functionoverform: practice makes perfect...:D [02:08] ? nvidia not working? [02:08] :3 [02:08] and i dunno if the nvidia drivers are gonna make damn bit of difference.. haha [02:08] zfra (~zerofranc@189.216.253.251) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:08] functionoverform: they are gonna work fine. i have a good feeling. XD [02:09] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:10] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:10] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [02:12] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] so i don't mess this up with an extra dash or something.. the version is just 195.36.15 [02:13] in both slackbuilds, yeah? [02:13] ay [02:13] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] rworkman: It does not work. [02:16] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:17] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Mel-nix: that means dhcpcd is already running somehow and that it failed the first time. At least that's what it sounds like. I don't know what would cause that [02:19] rworkman: 'dhcpcd' runs from the start-up scripts. Doesn't it? [02:20] Mel-nix: depends [02:20] Mel-nix: yes, on eth0, if that's what you configured. It should work fine then. [02:21] rworkman: do you know much about utf in console and in X? [02:21] rworkman: I realized that even the '-n' switch does not work. So ultimately I had to run `dhclient'. [02:21] I have a irssi theme that displays little blocks correctly in console tty though in my terminal emulator in X it displays little ? mark symbols. [02:22] Mel-nix, is the cable connected to your ethernet good or the ethernet port itself? [02:22] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:22] Mel-nix: you can tell wicd (if that is what you use) to use dhclient and not dhcpcd [02:23] and work on the problem in the mean time though have it working at least [02:23] MLanden: It should be. [02:23] wario: Do I have to use wicd? [02:24] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.38.88) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:24] well, what would you prefer? [02:25] I am guessing you want it to automatically connect then with no assistance? [02:25] on boot [02:25] wario: I connect through eth port. [02:25] wario: Yes, exactly. [02:25] Mel-nix: okay, i was a little confused [02:25] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.38.88) joined ##slackware. [02:26] Mel-nix: you have tryed running pkgtool and configuring the network there? [02:26] tried* [02:26] wario: Yes, I ran the netconfig script. [02:27] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Mel-nix: and your logs give what messages about the connection? [02:27] /var/log/messages [02:27] wario:rworkman: I wonder if the `-w' switch of `dhcpcd' may fix the problem. It could be that it exits without fetching an IP address. [02:28] so the kernel edit went well, it worked it looks like, created a package in tmp and everything [02:28] worth a shot [02:28] but the driver edit is not going swimmingly [02:29] ? [02:29] the only thing i changed was the version line.. and it appears to want something else [02:29] what is the error [02:30] hang on.. i'm trying to make sense of it.. its a me error... i mustve typed something wrong [02:30] Mel-nix: usually the logs will give a hint. :/ [02:31] functionoverform: put a quarter in the jar [02:31] ;) [02:32] oh i think i got it.. fml. [02:32] shit [02:32] lol.. no dice [02:32] wario: kernel: dhcpcd[1639]: segfault at ec ip 080499c5 sp bfad2070 error 4 in dhcpcd[8048000+12000] [02:33] its trying to remove a libvdpau_trace.so."VERSION" [02:34] can i just.. comment that out of the script and try it again, where it says rm libvdpau_trace.so."VERSION"? [02:34] um [02:35] Mel-nix: doesn't look good. [02:35] Mel-nix: find out what error 4 is in dhcpcd [02:35] functionoverform: i'll take a lookg [02:37] thanks, ill brb gonna microwave something right quick [02:37] deathof1_ (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] deathof1 (~nic@c-71-61-141-251.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:40] skulls (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:41] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:41] functionoverform: libvdpau is in slackbuilds.org. Read the read me on it. I would install it, build the nvidia-driver then uninstall it. [02:42] well it is installed [02:42] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:42] functionoverform: ? [02:43] or comment out the rm line in the driver slackbuild [02:43] just keep a mental track of what is actually happening in the system [02:43] i am [02:43] i commented it out [02:43] and it appears to be working, it created the package [02:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [02:43] good [02:44] functionoverform: only comment the rm part not the cp lines [02:44] you did that right? [02:44] yeah, i just commented the rm out [02:44] good [02:45] idk what the deal is with that and rworkman would probably know. [02:46] now you install the driver fist is fine, i don't think it matters. [02:46] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:46] just make sure to to nvidia-switch --install afterward [02:46] Are ATI video cards this flakey on Fedora 12 as well? In production I tend to use servers mit RHEL or slackware but really want to make the most of the virtualisation suite this time [02:46] i'm about to [02:46] or nvidia-switch -install whichever it is [02:47] yasu_xxx (~adminroot@tetkyo033107.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [02:47] holy hell it looks like it might actually be working [02:47] bjx: ? [02:47] haha [02:47] nothing is flakey here [02:47] functionoverform: good. i knew it would [02:47] ah shit [02:47] maybe not [02:47] ^^ [02:48] haha hang on a sec, i'll give you the details [02:48] yasu_xxx (~adminroot@tetkyo033107.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [02:48] heyall - compiled my own RT kernel, but have to recompile nvidia each time i switch between huge and my custom. annoying. I'm sure there must be an easier way [02:48] SwapDonkey (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [02:48] nope, that is standard [02:49] patrick advises against using hugesmp anyways [02:49] bjx: keep two copies of the nvidia modules [02:49] (i.e. use generic or generic-smp) [02:49] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Client Quit [02:49] pretty much common sense [02:50] two kernels = two modules [02:50] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:50] need my RT for jack etc - how can I tell the kernel to load one or the other? [02:50] it says.. */sbin/nvidia-switch: line 71 cd: usr/include/GL no such file or directory [02:50] why can't you use RT all the time? [02:51] functionoverform: um, i have that directory on my sysstem bud [02:51] ls /usr/include/GL/ [02:52] am i looking for something? [02:52] wish i good but share this computer with my partner and she is finding issues with the 64 plugin under rt [02:52] there's a bunch of stuff [02:52] sorry flash that is [02:52] in there [02:52] functionoverform: what is it looking for that isn't there? [02:52] No ChangeLog yet, but new nvidia is now preset at SBo [02:52] wow.. that doesn't make sense [02:53] functionoverform: refer to rworkman [02:53] :) [02:53] rworkman: thanks [02:53] :) [02:53] it says that there's no such file or directory, but when i type that in. it obviously exists [02:53] functionoverform: go get the new driver from slackbuilds.org. uninstall your homebrewed ones. [02:54] rworkman just updated them on the site. [02:54] oh hahahahah, thanks rworkman [02:55] sailhenc (219@AToulouse-258-1-159-28.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:58] so ... can i blacklist the nvidia module, rename it for each kernel and modprobe it somehow from rc.local or something/ [02:58] ? [02:59] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-231.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] bjx: what problem are you trying to solve? [03:02] rworkman: want to be able to load nvidia module for different kernels. mine i scompiled from the latest tree release, but I do development on other kernels [03:03] and he has to recompile nvidia module each time [03:03] ta wario [03:03] yep [03:03] ah [03:04] and i am trying to keep my girlfiend happy - blank screen no go [03:04] bjx: okay, easiest thing to do is move the module into a different directory, e.g. /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/custom and then use depmod.conf(5) to tell the kernel where to look for it [03:04] with you so far [03:05] I'm done :) [03:05] That's it. [03:05] ok - gotcha. exactly what i was after [03:06] thanks [03:06] alreadygone_ (~silas@119.154.105.139) joined ##slackware. [03:06] no prob [03:07] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.164) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:08] so i joined the navy today, and i got an awesome job, i'll be an avionics tech by the end of the year. [03:08] and then i came home.. and i was like.. i wanna watch an mplayer movie on fullscreen [03:08] wd [03:08] and i figured out how to make that happen [03:08] but it was stuck in slow motion [03:09] so that sucked [03:09] so hopefully having the right graphics card driver helps smooth things out a little [03:09] we'll see [03:09] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:10] i'm setting up a fedora development machine for a colleague at the moment and am really not happy with ATI - so i sympathise finctionoverform [03:11] jlarrew (~WallRat00@75.133.29.111) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:12] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:13] functionoverform: maybe the mplayer keybindings will help you. [03:14] bjx: yeah ati has tended to suck over the years [03:14] i tried all the different modes to play the videos in [03:14] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.38.88) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:14] didn't make a difference [03:14] functionoverform: i've accidently hit a key that slows down video play in mplayer before [03:15] yeah, rworkman: the same error occurred when i installed your new packages [03:15] [ and { slow stuff down [03:15] can you guess what speeds it up? [03:16] line 71: cd: usr/include/GL: No such file or directory [03:16] which does exist, if i ls it [03:16] functionoverform: then look at line 71 in the nvidia-driver script [03:16] alright, i'm on it [03:16] this seems to be specific to you and not all nvidia users. [03:17] yeah.. which is confusing [03:17] mancha: pez? [03:17] Action: wario loves pes. [03:17] functionoverform: 64 or 32? [03:18] 32 [03:18] wario, guess that's better than peeps..:D [03:18] heh [03:18] on both of my slackboxes [03:18] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:19] this thing runs like a champ.. my laptop does everything easier for some reason [03:19] even though its from 04' [03:19] with 512 mb of ram [03:19] functionoverform: well, if you don't find something pleasurable at least you will find something new from the experience [03:19] yeah, i can't figure this shit out [03:19] line 71 is commented out lol [03:20] "do not copy libvdpau...." its just an irrelevant line [03:20] you sure it's 71? [03:20] that's what the error says [03:20] wario, speaking about PEZ...remember seein' this project a while back http://www.instructables.com/id/PEZ-USB-2.0-%5BC-3PO%5D/ [03:20] what does gvim say? ^^ [03:21] MLanden: Yes! [03:21] great work of art [03:22] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] that'd be cool if "eject" controlled a pez dispenser [03:22] I am trying to set up an unencrypted host OS installed in a 4GB ext3 / partition, that also has a 2GB swap. The remainder of the HDD will be a serpent 256-bit encrypted LVM volume group for housing multiuple guest OSes. [03:22] did you see the guy come in on Pawn Stars with the pez collection? [03:22] But I am worried about the swap space of the host OS being used to nab encryption keys for the volume group [03:22] If I create the remainder of the space as unencrypted volume group first, and then individually encrypt the logical volumes, would I avoid this problem of my host OS's swap containing information needed to decrypt the encrypted LVs? [03:22] Or would I be better off not having swap at all on my host OS (simply leaving my RAM vulnerable for some kind of cold freeze RAM attack?)? [03:22] wow wall of text [03:22] haha [03:23] It's a complicated question =P [03:23] geez, i tuend out [03:23] Don't know about LVM + dm-crypt then I see? [03:23] man.. i think i'm more confused than i was when i started this shit.. i mean.. i'm pretty sure.. when a script says cd /usr/include/GL [03:23] trying to keep it safe [03:23] it means that's what its doing [03:23] algorithm: if question>screen buffer then send_all(/dev/null) [03:23] and.. when i type that shit in.. all is well [03:25] functionoverform: try to cd there yourself [03:25] i just did [03:25] and its all there [03:25] that is strange [03:25] are you really concerned that a team will break down your door with liquid nitrogen canisters to freeze your ram chips? [03:26] its like.. i can't win here [03:26] tpocra: ^ what mancha said. [03:26] hahaha [03:26] did somebody say chips ? [03:26] mmmm.. packets.. [03:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:27] nitro frozen ones,trhodes [03:27] no, he's getting hungry [03:27] i actually was thinkin' of chips and salsa [03:27] ^^ [03:28] frozen ballpoint pens are good, until you crack 'em and they melt :( [03:28] tpocra: can't trust the users? [03:28] pass the guacamole, esse [03:28] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.38.88) joined ##slackware. [03:28] wait. rhetorical question. [03:28] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:29] This is not about RAM freezing [03:29] ok.. so i'm in "nvidia-switch" right now in gvim.. i'm getting nothing that it seems like my slackbox shouldn't be able to handle here [03:29] also, if your encryption system is committing keys to swap, it is fubar [03:30] It is about whether or not encrypting guest OSes using dm-crypt will have keys exposed in the swap of the host OS [03:30] yeah, i don't know much about encryption system (as i'd like) though wouldn't make sense that it would do that anyway. [03:30] Compromising encryption keys from the host OS's swap partition from the HDD is loads easier than freezing the RAM (the latter of which I am not concerned about really) [03:31] mancha: The encryption system is the dm-crypt part of the Linux kernel [03:32] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-231.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:32] tpocra: who would target you? [03:33] wario: If you don't know how to set up encrypted operating systems, then just don't respond. I don't need to justify my use of disk or logical volume encryption to you. [03:34] use a usb key then' [03:34] mancha: It is for a server. [03:34] tpocra: i know exactly what you are talking about. including freezing the ram. [03:34] that is why I ask [03:35] hytee (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [03:35] so encrypt awap [03:35] wap [03:35] swap! [03:35] wario: Then help me on a technological level, and please refrain from poking into which segment of the status quo might most likely target me [03:35] tpocra: it seems like sort of the kind of question that one would ask who doesn't know the answer themselves doesn't it? [03:36] mancha: So the swap of my host OS, I suppose I could try and encrypt. [03:36] I am going to be using Xen to have multiple OSes [03:36] very simple to encrypt swap [03:36] mancha: I planned on having my host OS unencrypted, in case of a power cycle my domain 0 host OS would reboot no problem [03:37] Then I could SSH into the host OS (where nothing by sshd was running) and start up my encrypted Logical Volumes which had all my guest OSes [03:37] encrypted swap is not an issue in that regard [03:37] So upon unattended power cycle, the host OS dom0 could boot up, but only use RAM, not it's own swap. [03:38] The swap would need to be decrypted [03:38] manually, just like the LVs containing the domUs [03:38] yes [03:39] have you looked into luks? [03:42] mancha: yes, I use it on my desktop and laptop [03:43] I am not used to a pure multi-OS environment with dm-crypt/LUKS however [03:43] The rational for having the host OS unencrypted is twofold: [03:44] 1) Having the server in a co-location, I will not be available always to manually type the decryption passphrase to unlock the host OS upon power cycle [03:44] typical limey [03:44] so does anybody have any idea why i get this error [03:44] 2) There will be literally nothing running on the host OS of value. Just sshd and Xen stuffs to run my domain U guest OSes [03:44] this is pretty much a fresh install slackware, like 2 days old [03:47] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-426763.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:48] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-120-86.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:51] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:51] so looks like i'm rocking the vesa xorg forever, eh? [03:52] until you figure out the problem, it looks that way [03:52] alreadygone_ (~silas@119.154.105.139) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:52] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:53] yeah.. like no one on earth appears to have the same problem [03:53] i mean.. do you have the nvidia-switch script on your computer? [03:53] at home i do [03:53] everything looks normal [03:54] and acts normal.. except when this script is executing it [03:54] and it doesn't make any sense to me at all [03:54] johndee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:54] try nvidia-switch though use the other option. xorg i think it is [03:54] nvidia-switch --xorg [03:55] yeah, it gives me a different error [03:55] then uninstall both nvidia driver and nvidia kernel [03:55] lemme see though [03:55] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable" [03:55] functionoverform: k let me know the error [03:57] john_dee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:57] /sbin/ldconfig: Cannot lstat /usr/lib/libGL,so.1.2: no such file or directory [03:57] there ya go [03:58] am i missing a dependency? [03:58] You are missing important system files it looks like. [03:58] locate libGL [03:59] it may be a version issue [03:59] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] i'm gonna go ahead and give it a reboot [04:00] its been awhile lol [04:01] what did locate libGL return? [04:01] some other fatal error [04:03] the locate command should not give a fatal error [04:03] i figured as much [04:04] yeah its missing [04:04] slocate.db [04:04] isn't there [04:04] the folder is [04:05] but no file [04:05] that's definitely not good [04:05] i should probably burn a new slackdisc and start over on this machine.. [04:05] i have no idea what the deal is but none of its good [04:05] functionoverform: updatedb [04:06] not a fatal error [04:06] that just means updatedb has never been ran before [04:06] oh [04:06] run that then locate libGL [04:06] alright [04:06] its goin [04:07] ok [04:07] so i located a bunch of files [04:08] there's a mix of 190.42 and 195.36.15 nvidia files in there [04:08] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.62) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:09] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.62) joined ##slackware. [04:11] libGL ? [04:11] what version of libGL do you have? [04:12] wtf!? [04:12] there's no more xorg.conf-vesa [04:12] or any xorg.conf [04:12] what version of libGL do you have? [04:13] don't go off on tangents please. [04:13] um.. [04:13] there's a bunch in here [04:13] is 1.2 ther? [04:13] i'm not sure [04:13] no [04:13] its missing [04:13] well then there is that problem [04:13] i have.. libgl.195.36,16-nvidia [04:14] not libgl [04:14] libGL [04:14] that's what i meant [04:15] libGL.so.195.36.15-nvidia [04:16] and i have libGL.so [04:16] and libGL.so.190.42 [04:16] which is the old one that i thought i uninstalled, but apparently there's some remnants [04:17] ls -l /usr/lib/libGL* [04:17] find out what links to what. [04:17] you need to have a look at what the error is and why it's happening. [04:17] then you will find the answer. :) [04:18] man.. i have no X [04:18] i'm looking at what links to what [04:19] but i don't see the .so.2 in there at all.. just the so.1, [04:19] the so.1 is linked to libGL.so.195.36.15-nvidia [04:24] if I was on my box at home with nvidia installed i could help you more, though I don't have those libraries on this pc [04:25] functionoverform: did you have the .run installed before installing from SlackBuilds? [04:25] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:26] ya know.. the first time i did it, i did [04:26] and this time [04:26] i didn't [04:26] you're right dude [04:26] wow [04:26] alright [04:26] less enter please [04:27] noted. but yeah, i'm pretty fried right now from doing this, and being up for 24 hours [04:29] functionoverform: I guess so. FWIW, it should be pretty easy to fix, just a bit time-consuming maybe [04:30] V0xy (1000@ip-108-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] yeah, i have x back [04:31] i just ran it just now, [04:31] i get a bit panicky with absolutely no gui [04:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.62) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.62) joined ##slackware. [04:36] well, thanks for all the help wario , rworkman , and pprkut , i'm off to bed, i'll work it out tomorrow i guess [04:36] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-99-150-197-243.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:36] latemus (~m@67.177.9.234) joined ##slackware. [04:37] is there a way to remove an entire package series from my slack installation [04:41] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [04:41] latemus: awk -F\/ '/PACKAGE\ LOCATION/ {print $(NF-1)}' /var/log/packages/* # will list the package classes [04:42] later [04:42] it's interesting, that firefox slackbuild doesn't actually build, but adapt existing build to slackware, pity ( [04:42] latemus: or slackpkg remove slackpkg remove kdei for example [04:43] ok, wario wins this round :) [04:43] ;) [04:45] thanks guys [04:45] :D [04:47] V0xy (1000@ip-108-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:49] hmm. so what does 'slackpkg update' update? [04:50] or rather.. where is the pkg list [04:50] in the fs [04:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:51] ohh, firefox src is under CVS!! [04:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:57] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) left irc: Quit: http://wwandi.com -- Still not ready for prime time. [04:59] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.56.166) joined ##slackware. [05:02] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-29-242.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:04] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:06] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.169) joined ##slackware. [05:08] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-29-242.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:08] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:08] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [05:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:14] john_dee (~id@93-81-116-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:15] have anybody compiled firefox from source? [05:17] no, no one ever. [05:18] ) [05:18] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:18] how can you know that?? ) [05:18] because lots of people use firefox, they couldn't do that if someone had compiled it. [05:21] it's compiled from source on slackware 64 [05:21] on slackware it's a binary [05:22] well, after you compile something, you should get binaries, but you get what i'm saying [05:23] Delahunt: you missed my massive sarcasm [05:23] apparently 8-S [05:23] )) haaa, i knew it [05:24] today was treat corrosion day for me, i've been out using WD-40 and Rustoleum on a bunch of stuff [05:24] i blame the fumes 8-P [05:24] do any of you store backup files online for easy access from anywhere? [05:26] Action: Delahunt does not because he doesn't trust anyone else to store his stuff [05:26] Delahunt: a bit of WD-40 is sure to fix those rusty rivets holding that airplane wing on [05:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.62) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.62) joined ##slackware. [05:36] vdv: btw, ff is a bitch to compile [05:37] )) [05:37] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:37] i need startup-notification, i just cannot live without it [05:42] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:42] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:44] spook, more sarcasm? [05:44] no, thanks )) [05:45] Delahunt: :) [05:45] Action: Delahunt uses the good stuff at work [05:45] afk [05:45] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:47] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:48] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [05:50] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:51] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [05:51] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [05:51] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[06:53] i ra nslackpkg install - are there additional steps i must take to install the package? [06:53] "slackpkg install gcc" ? if thats what you ran, then the package is installed. see /var/log/package/gcc-* [06:53] yes, gcc. its a very minimal installation [06:53] you claim to have used it for 5 years, yet dont know how to check if a package is installed? [06:53] that right [06:53] always built from source [06:54] ) [06:54] built using a slackbuild? or compiled then make install'd ? [06:54] compiled then make installed [06:54] thats not using slackware, thats installing slackware then making a mess. [06:55] hmm. ok well, it's installed and working from the cli, but the qemu-kvm makefile seems to think it isnt [06:55] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.87.215) joined ##slackware. [06:55] slackpkg install d [06:56] did that [06:56] that will install all of the d series, which you'll need most of anyway to compile [06:56] then ldconfig [06:56] thanks [06:56] ahh.. ok [06:57] ldconfig updates what.. the package list? [06:57] ldconfig(8) [06:58] yep [07:00] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.216) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:00] so what else might i be missing about what is unique to slackware? pointing me to the book will be useless, ive read it. just wondering if i am missing some other great feature [07:00] the package manager. [07:01] you are refering to slackpkg [07:01] i am refering to pkgtools, installpkg/upgradepkg/removepkg [07:01] oh. k [07:02] can't those be used to do rolling updates [07:02] slackpkg is a bash script thats built on top of pkgtools [07:02] alright [07:04] what do I need besides hostapd to make a WAP with an Atheros PCI wifi card? [07:04] also, what options should i pass when compiling hostapd? [07:04] Azeotrope: probably an antenna? [07:04] Azeotrope: also you might want to consult the hostapd documentation. [07:06] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:07] hmm [07:07] i've read somewhere i need a custom kernel, some compat wifi drivers [07:07] etc [07:07] so go read the documentation and find out. [07:07] Azeotrope, for what? [07:08] to make that access point. [07:08] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Atheros_Ath5k_Wireless_Access_Point [07:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) joined ##slackware. [07:11] hello? [07:12] Azeotrope: we're ignoring you, because maybe then you'll read the documentation yourself [07:12] void1 (~void@94.230.229.157) joined ##slackware. [07:12] void1 (void@94.230.229.157) left ##slackware. [07:13] ok. after that, will you stop ignoring me? [07:14] Azeotrope, um could you please post lspci | grep whatever (i.e. the line in lspci that details your wifi card)? [07:16] Delahunt: Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) [07:17] 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) [07:17] er dangit facepalm standby [07:18] You need either a very recent kernel, and hostapd, or a old (probably before 2.6.24) kernel, and the madwifi driver. [07:18] Azeotrope, i have the AR5001 [07:18] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:18] but based on that guide, you only need to add the capability to the driver [07:18] Action: Delahunt recompiles both machines' kernels with the capability just because [07:19] what is namoroka? [07:19] rob0: so the lastest kernel will work? [07:19] do i have to compile it i a specific way? [07:19] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Azeotrope, actually, i'm a moron [07:19] grab the most recent kernel 2.6.33.2 [07:20] it's already now a part of the default [07:20] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6EC28.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] i didn't notice it, but it's in there now [07:21] Action: Delahunt had two of those entries oops [07:21] ok [07:21] Delahunt, not a good idea to call yourself a moron. people will start believing it. [07:22] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Delahunt: an do I have to compile 2.6.33.2 using that guide? [07:22] my honest opinion: download 2.6.33.2, cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.2, cp /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.33.2-smp .config, make oldconfig # and make all new items a module or else go with the default or common sense answer [07:23] you compile that using the guide yes [07:23] Gosh, the fool who wrote that Gentoo Wiki page does not use modules. [07:23] it's not foolish to make a one-file kernel [07:23] (unless you need an initrd with modules, in which case yes it's dumb) [07:24] It's fine for people who consider nanoseconds of computer time more important than hours of their own time. [07:24] goj (~goj@p4FE6F0C6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:24] Azeotrope, you don't have to make the entries = Y (<*>), you can use [07:24] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [07:24] rob0, it's gentoo, go figure [07:24] but hey at least they're using linux, it could be worse [07:24] And for people who like to reboot to change driver settings. [07:25] Delahunt: ok [07:27] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:28] hey [07:28] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [07:28] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.238) joined ##slackware. [07:29] Delahunt: i believe in your command example cp /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.33.2-smp is actually config-generic-2.6.29.2 ? [07:29] Azeotrope, and please, while we don't mind answering questions, use google [07:29] the default slack kernel i use now [07:30] Azeotrope, if you have a machine with hyperthreading or more than one cpu socket/core, you want -smp [07:30] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:30] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-40.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [07:30] i'm thinking if you have an atom processor (you may, due to that card), you would want the capability (whether you have it enabled or not) [07:31] i ask in channel all the time if i'm a bit paranoid or wanting to get advice, but please use google first [07:31] i have -smp [07:31] "back in the day" BSD admins didn't have google, and sometimes didn't even have irc, or even man pages [07:31] they had to use the program help and sometimes just plain experiment [07:41] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:48] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:49] dngr (~dngr@n11649137153.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [07:50] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-93-4.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:51] lolz Delahunt [07:52] ? [07:52] 'back in the day......' thought it was funny [07:52] :D [07:52] visit #freebsd and ask them if it's true [07:53] ok so after months of trying to figure this out.... how can I get my slac 12.2 to go utf-8 mode? [07:53] i have a lot of mp3 files that use utf-8 [07:53] and none of those will play in any program :S [07:53] months o_O [07:54] ya, its been months [07:54] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:54] well, you just set locale, setup the keymap and that's basically it [07:54] ya i did that... and then my keboard didnt work in KDE [07:55] and the files still didnt work [07:56] why cant slackware understand utf-8? [07:56] KaMii: locale is setup in /etc/profile.d/lang.(c)sh, set LANG to say en_US.UTF-8 [07:56] it seem kinda... idk weird that its being all annoying like this [07:56] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) joined ##slackware. [07:57] why US? [07:57] that's all you need to see utf chars [07:57] well no i can see UTF-8 characters [07:57] cuz i see them already [07:57] and use them [07:57] cuz im Swedish [07:57] :) [07:58] but it just complains about mp3 files that have umlauts in the filename and/or metadata [07:58] and then they wont play [07:58] what program is complaining? [07:58] KaMii: then maybe they are not utf, but have some exotic encoding [07:58] I also have some songs written in Russian and Japanese, so will utf-8 work for that also? [07:59] all programs complain Delahunt [07:59] gxine,xmms, songbird, vlc..... [07:59] i tried them all [07:59] KaMii: it should. works fine here [08:00] :S i doubt there is exotic encoding on just those files, that would be strange [08:00] mpg123? audacious? [08:00] audacious also will not play them [08:00] never heard of mpg123 [08:00] use in a terminal [08:00] also, mplayer [08:01] well, usually they just won't show tags correctly, but should still play [08:01] KaMii: if you see those files on disk, they will play [08:02] KaMii: do a "cat /etc/profile.d/lang.sh" and say what value LANG variable has [08:02] oh..... i see now what happened [08:02] they never copied over [08:02] all those files just didnt copy over [08:02] :D [08:02] great [08:02] ok so how can I get them to copy over? [08:03] uh, i mean. thumbs up [08:03] so they were complaining about umlauts? 8-P [08:03] :) [08:03] well idk it seems slackware sometimes hates swedish [08:03] it's not just slackware 8-P [08:04] You should try SVlackware. [08:05] one of my drives is set in fstab to use local=sv_SV.utf-8 but it always complains about that at bootup [08:05] says that sv_SV.utf-8 is not loaded or something [08:06] KaMii: maybe that's because there's no such locale. i only see sv_SE.UTF-8 [08:06] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.239) joined ##slackware. [08:06] whats SE? [08:06] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:07] it's swedish locale [08:07] sv is svenska [08:07] oh ok, they are using SE for Sweden [08:08] so why did it not copy those files over? [08:09] H0JIb (~void@94.230.229.157) joined ##slackware. [08:09] H0JIb (void@94.230.229.157) left ##slackware. [08:11] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:12] you should know better %) [08:12] :( [08:12] morning lads o/ [08:12] \o [08:13] its ssh [08:13] i had this problem before trying to back up files [08:13] afternoon phrags :) [08:13] anything that was utf-8 will not copy [08:14] ssh? [08:14] are you using scp? [08:14] mhm [08:14] gftp [08:14] try sftp [08:14] that comes with openssh [08:14] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:15] i was using the program gftp in KDE [08:15] and told it to connect to my macintosh [08:15] using ssh2 [08:15] linux time! [08:15] everything file that was utf-8 refused to copy [08:15] and it does not give me any error message [08:15] ok we heard you the third time [08:15] it just disconnects [08:16] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.241.150.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:18] do the regular dvds come with ia64 support [08:18] ? [08:19] or do i have to get the ones that save slackware64? [08:19] if you have bought the dvd it has both 32bit and 64bit. if you download a iso from a mirror it is only 32bit or 64bit [08:19] so you need to get the slackware64 one [08:20] alright i found the 64bit iso on a mirror [08:20] want to take full advantage of my xeons :D [08:20] ia64? [08:20] on a sidenote, ia64 = intel itanium [08:20] the 64bit x86 platform is called x86_64 [08:22] that's what i said but I see them being interchanged so often today i didn't think it mattered [08:23] i'm downloading the slackware64 13.0 iso :P [08:23] mach_kernel: welcome to the family :) [08:23] what kind of xeons do you have ? [08:24] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:26] stuart_ (~stuart@124.13.56.166) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:27] Lord_Khelben, a pair of nehalem xeons [08:27] :D [08:27] nehalem=i7 ? i didn't know there were such xeons [08:28] i must have the slowest box here :P [08:28] KaMii: do you have an example mp3 file you are having all these difficulties with? [08:28] (CPU 1) Intel® Xeon® CPU E5504 @ 2.00GHz (1024KB L2 Cache, 1366-pin LGA) @ 2000MHz (133MHz FSB), 10% load (CPU 2) Intel® Xeon® CPU E5504 @ 2.00GHz (1024KB L2 Cache, 1366-pin LGA) @ 2000MHz (133MHz FSB), 1% load [08:28] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.201) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:28] (RAM module 1) 1GB, form factor: DIMM (RAM module 2) 1GB, form factor: DIMM (RAM module 3) 1GB, form factor: DIMM (RAM module 4) 1GB, form factor: DIMM [08:28] (Video controller 1) NVIDIA Quadro FX 580 (Processor: Quadro FX 580), 512MB, 1440x900x32, 74Hz, driver version: 8.16.11.9166 [08:28] ok i set lang for en.US-UTF-8 it still reads the characters all wrong [08:29] Stop it mach_kernel [08:29] You are flooding the channel [08:29] see? this is why we prefer the linux kernel >.< [08:29] alienBOB he wanted specs i gave them to him [08:30] Give them in a pastebin entry next time mach_kernel [08:30] please kid, don't give me lessons on IRC [08:30] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-30-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Please mach_kernel don't do that [08:30] calm down [08:30] You don't know my age [08:30] you don't know mine [08:30] but you sound like some hot headed child [08:30] mach_kernel: I am a channel op, I uphold the channel rules [08:30] mach_kernel: he's right actually. [08:30] but its my fault too as yours [08:31] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:31] i know but he doesn't have to make a tun of fuss about it [08:31] and it was 3 lines [08:31] that's not spam [08:31] he's overreacting [08:31] I asked you politely, you are making a fuss out of it [08:31] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.168) joined ##slackware. [08:31] Action: mach_kernel head desk [08:31] On to other things, KaMii can I download one of these mp3s you are having problems with? [08:31] KaMii: what characters you get wrong ? utf8 locale doesn't work on console ? [08:31] what i did alienBOB was I mounted my music folder using sshfs then I tried to view the files in there, everything thats utf-8 is all wrong looking, but on the macintosh (where the folder is) its all correct [08:32] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:32] KaMii: can it be an issue with sshfs? [08:32] Or with your mac's filesystem? [08:32] dont think so, its always been this way, not just with sshfs [08:33] i have tried putting files in an archive, sending them over then unarching them [08:33] no go [08:33] i have tried ssh [08:33] ftp [08:33] all phales [08:33] umm, my mac is journaled [08:33] n0w0nd3r (~srijan@115.113.57.139) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [08:34] i mean seriusly even my psp can play these musik files... [08:38] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:39] being a journaled filesystem has little to do with it? [08:39] KaMii: how are the filenames encoded in macos ? utf8 ? [08:39] KaMii: last time I ask - do you have such an mp3 file as an example for me to download and test? [08:39] yea, i think so Lord_Khelben [08:39] Zip it up and make it available somewhere private if need be [08:40] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.98.230) joined ##slackware. [08:40] i dont know how i can send you a file alienBOB because i cant even get it onto my linux machine to send [08:40] oh, lolz [08:40] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [08:40] umm, let me think where can I put it [08:40] You can DCC it to me if you like then I'll put it up somewhere. [08:41] Action: rob0 starts humming ... Dee Em See ay! [08:41] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [08:42] [08:42] Hehe [08:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [08:43] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.238) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:44] KaMii: ever heard of zipping that file before copying it? Using a non-utf8 filename? [08:45] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [08:45] it may be completely irrelevant, but when i mount a fat32 fs, i need to use the nls (former iocharset) option in order to see greek filenames. maybe sshfs has some relevant option too [08:46] Indeed I think it is something like that [08:46] lolz ya, i wasnt thinking alienBOB its zipped now and ready to go [08:47] why would you zip up mp3s? they're already compressed. maybe tar them, but still ... [08:47] i might try it again with lzma to see if it helps, but normally you only squeeze 1% or less out of mp3s [08:47] because mac automaticaly zips the when you do the compress option [08:48] and its just so i can send it to him [08:48] oh due to DMCA filters on email [08:48] theres filters on email for that? [08:49] >.< [08:52] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:52] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.98.230) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:53] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.234) joined ##slackware. [08:54] Axius (~hi@92.84.13.195) joined ##slackware. [08:55] i can't install hostapd's slackbuild. again. i get make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. [08:57] did you download the source Azeotrope ? [08:57] Azeotrope: i downloaded it now and it compiles fine on my box. how do you try to install it ? [09:00] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:00] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [09:00] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [09:01] what a lovely day outside, i'm off to get a tan! =) [09:01] have fun phrags [09:01] tans are for lame geeks [09:02] the 1337 don't have tans [09:02] the 31337 are pale [09:02] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.234) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:03] Lord_Khelben: just downloaded the slackbuild and src and run the slackbuild [09:03] make sure you put the source tarball in the same folder as the slackbuild [09:04] i did that [09:04] dont untar the source [09:04] actually i have version 0.6.10 (modified the slackbuild for that and for 64bit arch) [09:04] but i know it won't work with 0.5.11 either [09:05] i had the same issue on a prior install of slackware [09:05] try compiling from source without the slackbuild? [09:05] Azeotrope: from what i see in the slackbuild for 0.5.11 it just does runs make. maybe the newer 0.6.10 uses autotools and needs to run configure first ? [09:06] idk... dont have 64bit [09:06] that is why there is no makefile ? [09:06] I ate it. [09:06] lolz [09:06] i don't know it for sure. i am just guessing. check if in the top source dir there is a "configure" file [09:06] yeah or maybe rob0 ate the makefile :) [09:07] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.157) joined ##slackware. [09:07] anf if there's not? i untar, configure and the tar again? [09:07] with or without ketchup? [09:08] Don't be silly. Ketchup is for kernels, Makefiles are best with mayo. [09:08] Action: Delahunt adds lemon [09:08] nice idea! [09:08] Azeotrope: hostapd-0.5.11 has the makefile in the topdir, while the 0.6.10 has a src dir and patches dir etc [09:09] Axius (~hi@92.84.13.195) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:09] you need to modify the slackbuild, and most possibly the .config will need changing too [09:09] i got the file to play alienBOB... i sshfs the folder, then I told xmms to play the file(s) linux still showes them named all funky wrong, but xmms retranslates it into perfekt Swedish and it plays, but I still cannot copy those files to linux :S [09:09] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.107.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:10] KaMii: can you check in the sshfs manpage if there is a -o from_code and -o to_code options. if there are try them [09:13] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:13] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:13] yes there is [09:14] Lord_Khelben: I won't use a slackbuild because I don't know how to modify it. I'll just compile the src. The problem is i don't know what driver should i select in .config [09:14] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.157) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:14] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Azeotrope: i don't know either. i guess the slackuild enables all drivers or something like that. use the slackbuild's .config file as a guide [09:15] lol. [09:15] hello spook [09:17] Lord_Khelben, but that will only make utf-8 work in sshfs right? so how can I get it to recognize my entire system, i did LANG=en.US.UTF-8 as root but it still doesnt see utf8... :S [09:17] nvision (~nvision@g229055226.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:17] .... this is all starting to go waaaayyyyy over my head... :S lolz [09:18] KaMii: if you set the correct locale, then you will be able to read correctly and see the filenames correctly on the linux filesystem [09:18] the sshfs,fat32,etc is another thing [09:18] if sshfs works correctly then you can copy the files and be able to see them correctly from the local linux fs [09:19] how do i do it right and make it permanant? the locale set [09:19] spook, what driver should i select in the hostapd 0.6.10 .config file in order to use an Atheros wificard as an AP? [09:19] Azeotrope: kik, [09:19] Azeotrope: lol [09:19] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.157) joined ##slackware. [09:19] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Imma outta here [09:19] what? [09:20] KaMii: do you want swedish language for everything or only for filenames ? [09:21] i think the mininum for seeing filenames correctly is LC_CTYPE. i use LANG=el_GR.UTF-8 and have everything in greek [09:21] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [09:22] It's all Greek to me. [09:22] uh.... i just got lost... :S everything means [09:22] whats the difference between filenames and everything? [09:23] KaMii: what i mean is, if you want the message,menus,etc to be swedish then set LANG (for example the "file" menu of programs will be "something" in Swedish) [09:23] oh, i thought that was just a KDE specific thing... no I want all that in english because its better [09:23] as all the help stuff is in english [09:23] lolz [09:24] help. [09:24] so if my computer is in english then when I go on forums or irc and ppl say go here do that... we are both in the same languge [09:24] and i dont have to get more confused trying to translate [09:25] KaMii: then i guess the correct thing to do is set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and set LC_CTYPE=sv_SE.UTF-8 [09:25] i may be wrong though [09:25] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [09:26] john_bristol (~john@host-84-9-51-46.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [09:27] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:27] hmmph [09:28] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-213.dslgb.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:28] does slackware 13.0 support gnome? [09:28] still not seeing the utf-8 on the sshfs mounted drive [09:28] all i see on the install disc is gnome [09:28] KaMii: have you tried remounting it using the from_code/to_code options / [09:28] mach_kernel: no official gnome. google "slackware gnome" [09:29] oh, i didnt use the code options, didnt know i needed it now that I put that lang and lc_type in there [09:29] KaMii: run on a terminal "locale" to see if they were set correctly, then try some combinations with the sshfs options [09:29] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [09:30] mach_kernel (~no@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:31] blahhh no it never set them [09:31] why not? [09:31] i typed it in just as you said [09:31] as root [09:31] do i need to do it as user? [09:31] KaMii: in order to make them permanent edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [09:31] even in root its not set [09:32] if you just want to test, set them in the terminal [09:32] for example export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 [09:32] http://pastebin.org/144296 this guy is in #kernel [09:32] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:33] that scoll was stupid enough once, why re-paste it here? [09:33] scroll [09:33] lmao ishouldneveruselinux [09:35] Lord_Khelben: I just uncoment the export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 line? [09:36] KaMii: yes and comment the other one [09:36] there is a warning that says some programs cant handle utf [09:37] have you ever noticed this? [09:37] so, should I install madwifi drivers or not? [09:37] KaMii: man is one of them [09:37] oh..... so man will break? [09:37] mc is another one, but i think slackware's mc was patched some time ago and works [09:37] KaMii: only the messages man outputs, not the manpages [09:37] i dont use mc [09:38] ok [09:38] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [09:38] for example if you run "man kk" instead of printing "no manpage" or something like that it will print gibberish [09:38] so after i save this, how do I activate it? [09:38] ./lang.sh [09:38] ? [09:38] run ". /etc/profile.d/lang.sh" [09:38] or relogin [09:39] KaMii: what kernel are u running ? [09:39] Dadp (~dado@93-141-90-230.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [09:39] 2.6.27-7-smp [09:40] i don't remember at which kernel utf8 console was enabled. do you have any "default_utf8" line in lilo.conf ? [09:41] man did not give me gibberish [09:41] and lange now says i am using utf8 [09:41] Azeotrope, madwifi USED to work, but as I said before, it requires an old kernel. I know I compiled hostapd 0.6.9 on 64-bit, so it can be done. IMO that is the way to go; you don't want to tie yourself to an old, unmaintained driver. [09:41] errr locale [09:42] KaMii: check lilo.conf if you have such a line [09:42] rob0: great. thanks. [09:43] Need help with sumtin =) [09:43] madwifi won't compile against new kernels? [09:43] Dadp: what is that ? [09:44] ok so.. [09:44] Immundus (~obi@e179141066.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:44] vt.default_utf8=0 [09:44] i installed kde 3.5.10 [09:44] on slackware 13.0 [09:44] and now i want to run it [09:44] but i get [09:44] KaMii: then you still have non-utf8 console that is why man works :P [09:44] weakness [09:44] lolz [09:44] Could not start kstartupconfig [09:44] change it to =1 ? [09:45] Check your installation... [09:45] They keep changing stuff in the network stack. The last release of madwifi was 0.9.4, which only works with 2.6.24 or earlier. [09:45] Dadp: google KDE 3.5.10 on Slackware 13 [09:45] mancha: http://madwifi-project.org/ [09:45] KaMii: try "print '\033%%G'" [09:45] it is not supported but you can get it to work i think..... [09:45] to test and for permanent solution remove that definition from lilo.conf and rerun lilo [09:46] oh that's very oudated, i've used madwifi much past 2.6.24 [09:46] should i get ath0 or wla0 when i do iwconfig? [09:46] KaMii: run lilo and reboot. if everything works fine, sshfs will work and xmms won't [09:47] but i want xmms to work [09:47] thats the whole point of this [09:47] Yes, I said, the last *release* of madwifi. You can get trunk snapshots that work. IME they tend to be buggy, unlike the old, stable madwifi. [09:47] wait, where do you want me to enter that code? print '\003%%G' [09:48] Yeah madwifi development went completely down the drain [09:48] KaMii: better run lilo and reboot [09:48] i've had no issues ever with svn snapshots [09:48] alienBOB: i installed hostapd 0.6.10 but i haz no config file. [09:49] I ate the config file (with condiments! and lemon!!) [09:49] i've also reviewed the commits since 0.9.4 and the substantive code is unchanged, it is mainly changes to accomodate new kernels [09:50] blah my bootsector and map file are on different disks... when did that happen? [09:51] man still works Lord_Khelben [09:51] KaMii: it wont' after you reboot :P [09:52] yes it does [09:52] i rebooted [09:52] the manpages will ofcourse continue to work [09:52] it still works [09:52] Srbo (~Srbo@109.93.127.82) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:52] KaMii: you removed the default_utf8 line ? [09:53] man kk = no manual entry for kk [09:53] where was i suppose to remove that? [09:53] from lilo.conf [09:53] i told you before [09:55] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:55] Dadp (~dado@93-141-90-230.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:56] KaMii: on my dutch laptop with locale setttings tweaked to dutch, I have no issues at all with that mp3 file of you. I unzipped it on my server (which has no UTF at all, very old Slackware) and access it using a Samba mount on this laptop. [09:57] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:57] I also unzipped the file locally on the laptop (some lines are going to be pasted now). This is what you see without any UTF8 settings: [09:57] $ LC_ALL=C ls -la 04* [09:57] -rwxr-xr-x 1 eha wheel 6338018 Apr 7 2008 04\ Kevlarsja\314\210l.mp3* [09:57] And this is with my dutch locale settings: [09:57] $ ls -la 04* [09:57] -rwxr-xr-x 1 eha wheel 6338018 2008-04-07 04:00 04\ Kevlarsjal.mp3* [09:58] so i should comment append=' vt.defaule_utf8=0' ? [09:58] No, you change the 0 to 1 and then run lilo again [09:58] if it works without utf8 too [09:58] Then, edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh and configure a swedish UTF-8 [09:58] then choose whatever you like [09:58] i already configured lang.sh [09:59] mkay i wll change it to 1 [09:59] must i reboot? [09:59] I have this in the lang.sh: [09:59] export LANG=nl_NL.UTF-8 [09:59] export LC_COLLATE=C [09:59] goustaros (~mail@79.107.164.189) joined ##slackware. [10:00] hi [10:00] And append=" vt.default_utf8=1" in lilo.conf [10:00] i bought a charger for my laptop. i can choose from a variety of voltage 12-20V. but it gives 5.5A max. By laptop on the back says it needs 19V and 4.74A. is it safe to use this charger? [10:00] john_dee (~id@217.118.90.157) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:00] clearly slackware specific :P [10:00] goustaros: sounds OK, doesn''''''t it? [10:00] Lord_Khelben: if he runs Slackware on it, then yes [10:01] since it gives > 4.74 that your laptop needs it will work fine [10:01] Lord_Khelben wont it have problems [10:01] cause of the excess of amperes? [10:01] goustaros: this is the max output the charger can give [10:01] this doesn't mean it gives 5.5 all the time [10:02] That's why it says "max" :-) [10:02] there is a very very very small chance [10:02] anyway i got this charger originally for a larger laptop that needed 19V and 7A. The it guys at the shop told me to use this [10:02] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon121709.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:02] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:02] that is something goes wrong in the charger [10:02] the large current will damage the laptop [10:02] it will work they said, but it will charge less fat [10:02] fast [10:03] Correct [10:03] alienBOB whats correct? [10:03] As long as you have a battery in the laptop, it will protect against the lack of power delivered by the charger [10:03] alienBOB what if the charger gives slightely more power [10:04] goustaros: the charger can deliver 5.5 regardless of the voltage ? or the 5.5 is only for the 12V [10:04] But your battery will not be happy and you can end up with drained battery if you use that charger all the time and ask a lot of performance from the battery [10:04] ok now on man kk I get an error message saying it cannot open the sv_SE.UTF-8 but then after it says the same error, so I guess that means its working? [10:04] Lord_Khelben i think its one of the charger where you change the resistance [10:04] and then the voltage changes [10:04] the amperes must be stable [10:04] it would be useless when you change the voltage the amperes changed [10:05] KaMii: what does "echo $LANG" or "echo $LC_ALL" give now? [10:06] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.98.230) joined ##slackware. [10:06] $ man kk [10:06] Er is geen pagina over 'kk'. [10:06] sv_SE.UTF-8 nothing for $LS_ALL [10:07] LC_ALL is empty here as well [10:07] yay [10:07] lolz [10:07] export LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8; cd kk gives me "filen eller katalogen finns inte" [10:07] i guess thats good [10:07] is that swedish ? [10:07] yes [10:07] the file or catalog does not exists [10:07] thats the translation [10:07] why it doesn't work on your box then [10:07] Now i just have to configure the hostapd.conf [10:08] my /usr/lib64/locale has a sv_FI and a sv_SE directory [10:08] KaMii: I can reproduce your error: [10:08] $ LANG=sv_SE.UTF-8 man kk [10:08] Cannot open the message catalog "man" for locale "sv_SE.UTF-8" [10:08] Channel flood from alienBOB -- kicking [10:08] (NLSPATH="") [10:08] No manual entry for kk [10:08] alienBOB kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:08] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [10:08] idk, for me it prints that error in English [10:08] Yeah yeah [10:08] not Swedish [10:08] _aheo (~void@94.230.229.157) joined ##slackware. [10:08] but its ok [10:08] im bi [10:08] lingual [10:09] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.23) joined ##slackware. [10:09] if you check man-1.6f package there isn't a usr/share/locale/sv/man [10:09] thats why it prints that [10:10] Good. The manual page internationalization is not so good for all languages. Look at "ls /usr/man" to see how little language support there is [10:11] Well not "little" but varying [10:12] lolz [10:12] if you find this message annoying symlink a file from another dir. i did it and it doesn't print it any more [10:12] nvision (~nvision@g229055226.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:12] Nick change: goustaros -> Goliath [10:12] its ok, it works now so I am happy [10:12] Goliath (~mail@79.107.164.189) left irc: Changing host [10:12] Goliath (~mail@unaffiliated/goliath) joined ##slackware. [10:12] thanks a ton Lord_Khelben [10:12] i never would have figured that out [10:12] Goliath (mail@unaffiliated/goliath) left ##slackware. [10:12] KaMii: what works ? did sshfs worked ? [10:12] it was annoying me for months [10:12] ya i can see the files [10:12] and the names and everything [10:13] then macos uses utf8 as internal represenation [10:13] you could use the to_code option with your previous non-utf8 locale and it would work the same [10:13] john_dee (~id@95-29-188-232.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:13] i guess, idk, maybe it did that during install when I told it im in Sweden [10:13] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [10:15] i changed to utf8 to get rid of this mess. greek is way worse. dos uses cp737,win98 uses cp869, winnt+ use windows-1253 and unix uses iso8859-7 [10:16] so if I copy these files to a ntfs formated disk will it still work? [10:18] KaMii: yes it will [10:18] :D [10:18] Action: KaMii is happy [10:18] i think ntfs3g understand automatically the locale, otherwise it has a -o locale option [10:19] KaMii: does xmms still work ? [10:20] gtk1 apps need some tinkering to display utf8 correctly [10:20] _aheo (void@94.230.229.157) left ##slackware. [10:26] any ideea why i get this when running hostapd? http://pastebin.org/144342 [10:26] prism2 is a network driver i think [10:29] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:33] lokken (~chris@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Back to my netbook-current-trimming project, I had an idea yesterday. Samba, a big package, something I don't routinely use, since my network is all Unix. But, could be handy to have on a mobile machine. [10:33] The idea: keep the binary txz package available, but not installed. [10:34] So, I might do the same thing with other packages too. [10:34] Razec (1000@187-27-255-81.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:34] let me check Lord_Khelben sorry i was making coffee [10:35] yes it works [10:37] ok :) [10:37] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:37] rob0: why not keep it available on external storage, such as a usb flash drive? [10:38] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-97.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] trim it enough and you may be able to fit on an ancient netbook with a tiny solid state drive [10:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:41] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:42] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:44] I'm trying to use my atheros wifi pci card as an access point with hostapd but I get this error http://pastebin.org/144355 Hostapd is compiled to use nl80211 driver, i have a 2.6.33.2 huge kernel and i use ath[5-9]k drivers. Please advice. [10:45] wisedud2u (~wisedud2u@114.58.98.230) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:47] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:47] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:49] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:49] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:50] after setting hw_mode=b i get http://pastebin.org/144363 [10:50] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:50] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] hello? [10:53] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:54] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:55] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [10:55] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:56] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) joined ##slackware. [10:57] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:58] a comprehensive debug list http://pastebin.org/144368 [10:59] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:00] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.87.215) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:02] http://pastebin.org/144369 debug again [11:03] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [11:03] How can I take a screenshot of something playing in mplayer? import screenshot.jpg just shows everything blue [11:04] gartt: do you use -vo xv or -vo vdpau ? [11:04] if yes then its probably due to the hardware overlay [11:05] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] mplayer supports output to jpeg or png so you can do it from mplayer [11:05] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Lord_Khelben: I'm sorry, I don't know what either means [11:06] gartt: at what time do you want to take the screenshot ? [11:06] I'm just using mplayer with a .vob file, that supposedly plays it as an mpeg [11:06] Lord_Khelben: Yeah, I know the exact time [11:06] what time is that ? [11:06] Vertical wind tunnel video of my brother and I :) [11:07] Lord_Khelben: 12 mins, 30 seconds [11:07] so 750 sec [11:07] groo (~groo@189.64.149.116) joined ##slackware. [11:07] Sure [11:07] try mplayer file.vob -ss 748 -vo jpeg -frames 100 [11:07] Lord_Khelben: Thanks a lot, I'll give it a shot [11:07] groo (groo@189.64.149.116) left ##slackware. [11:07] this should output 100 jpeg files from 748sec to 752 sec [11:07] (assuming the vob has 25fps) [11:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:09] Azeotrope: maybe i am completely wrong but the "channel 60" that the error message says doesn't look correct to me [11:09] i think wireless channels go to 15 or something [11:09] do you have defined 60 in some config [11:09] Lord_Khelben: Thanks a lot, appreciated. I'll have to save that line for future reference [11:09] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:09] gartt: did it work ? [11:09] Lord_Khelben: since that i changed the channel, gave me another error which seems it's a bug in 0.6.10 so i upgraded ti 0.7 [11:10] ivo_ (~strato@f048050219.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:10] Lord_Khelben: I'm finding out (Have to copy it to a writable dir first, and the file's pretty big) [11:11] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:11] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:11] ivo_ (~strato@f048208160.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:11] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [11:12] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [11:12] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [11:12] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [11:12] gartt: you don't need to do that if its too large. you can use -vo jpeg:outdir=/some/path [11:13] Lord_Khelben: (Got to copy the file anyway, but I'll write that down too) [11:13] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:13] -vo png gives better pictures but they are way bigger [11:14] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] how can i find the path to a binary ? [11:14] which [11:15] as in, which cmd [11:15] thanks [11:15] i get which: no in (./hostapd) but i can run hostapd. lol [11:15] i did a make install [11:16] nvision (~nvision@g229055226.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:16] so read the makefile and see where it puts it [11:16] you should avoid make install. try make DESTDIR=/some/path install [11:16] then use makepkg [11:16] so you can later upgrade or remove it [11:17] v4nelle: you went to cyprus ? [11:17] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:17] so now what should i do? i can rewrite this version with others, as they are developed [11:17] Lord_Khelben, nooo...i am on crete [11:18] i had the impression cyta was the ote of cyprus or something [11:18] Azeotrope: you can still make a package and install it [11:18] but i don't know if the other versions of hostapd you installed will leave some files [11:18] cyta is adsl provider on greece,for about 2 years i think [11:19] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:19] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.35.140) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Lord_Khelben: so i pass DESTDIR=/home/azeo install ? [11:20] Azeotrope: you installed hostapd-0.7 this time ? [11:20] before you do such things, try to understand exactly what you are doing [11:20] Yes [11:21] Lord_Khelben: Thanks a lot, it worked perfectly [11:21] gartt: :) [11:21] Very nifty line to remember [11:22] my question is DESTDIR is the install dir or the temp folder where it saves the package [11:22] Srbo (~Srbo@109.93.127.82) joined ##slackware. [11:22] that's what I mean. make install will not create a package [11:22] Azeotrope: DESTDIR is something like a chroot [11:23] the idea is to install the package to a temporary directory (/home/azeo/tmp or so) and then make a package out of that temp. directory [11:23] if you choose DESTDIR=/root/foo then the files will be for example /root/foo/usr/bin/program [11:23] and then you use makepkg to make a slackware pkg [11:24] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-30-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [11:26] in this case it only installs some .so files in libdir/wpa_supplicant but in general with make install you can know what files were being installed [11:26] Great! Great! Mega-great. I have the lastest kernel, custom compiled, hostapd compiled with nl80211, a rc.hostapd script that works fine, the laptop sees my test SSID [11:26] took me a month or so [11:26] s/can/can't [11:27] now, what security measures should i apply? i only want to connect with one other machine to this AP. [11:27] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CDFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Maximum number of stations allowed in station table. should i put 2 instead of 255? [11:30] Azeotrope: in the hostapd website there is a readme and e example hostapd.conf with comments [11:30] there it will explain how to set up access control [11:39] there's a mysterious white van outside. i think they are gonna get me [11:39] Azeotrope: it should be black if its fbi or cia [11:40] fbi or cia? I contacted Ahmedinejad's supervisors for covering their missiles with silver and later resistant siliconed crystal against the Laser ICBMs of US. The lasers can't drill the mirrored missiles.The lasers can't paint of red the target on the mirrored missiles. [11:41] :) [11:41] what are you talking about eldragon [11:42] i'm talking my new technology. [11:42] well, it's ancient too. [11:42] and this has what to do with slackware? [11:42] I just designed a splended new ergonomic tinfoil hat [11:43] hahaha gartt, what protecting for? [11:43] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:43] eldragon: Protection from the govt getting into my mind and reading my thoughts, of course [11:44] Nice [11:44] gartt, hahahaha [11:44] has anyone been successful getting sound to work on an IBM Thinkpad 760E? [11:44] gartt, your thoughts as the mines are useless for them. [11:44] the soundcard apparently uses the modem? and all I can find is ppl talking about mwave drivers in windoze use the modem as sound or something [11:45] gartt, don't become excessive paranoid [11:45] too loate [11:45] late [11:46] i know its a long shot questing because the computer is so old, but wanted to throw it out and see if someone maybe tried it once? in the past [11:46] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-15-176.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] KaMii: there were some modems that used the ac97 codec. maybe you mean that ? [11:47] gartt, the thoughts are fuzzy, ciphered, etc. and deciphering them are awful impractical as DNA's deciphering. [11:47] well what i read sofar was talking about mwave drivers from windoze 95.... [11:49] and i saw one solution wich was just never going to happen for me, it said to put fat32 on, copy a windoze boot disk, have it boot into winoze then make it load that driver and have it then boot slackware... i was like, never happening on my system [11:49] or maybe it just wanted autoexec.bat to load the driver then boot slack [11:49] but ya, im not doing that [11:55] http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/MWave_MDSP2780 [11:55] i guess this is what you say [11:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.125.166) joined ##slackware. [12:00] oh crap.... poland just lost all of its govenment officials in a plane crash [12:01] KaMii: just? [12:01] OLD NEWS [12:01] mate [12:01] well i just heard about it [12:01] you're kidding right ? [12:02] all news between 1hr and 24hrs on irc is old ;) [12:02] no i just now was changing channels and saw it on the news [12:02] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [12:03] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.125.166) left irc: Client Quit [12:03] i remember i heard about the 2001-09-11 attacks on IRC before I saw it on the news [12:03] 16:01:09 < tank-man> all news between 1hr and 24hrs on irc is old ;) [12:03] +1 internets [12:03] again the gods enter irc............ blah [12:03] i had jury duty during that week. i heard about it before i went to jury duty. they actually interrupted jury duty so we could watch it on TV. [12:03] lem1 (root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [12:04] lol pi31415 [12:04] cant talk about anything on here or ppl just jump on you [12:04] KaMii: if you don't like it so much, then leave [12:04] raela loves to be jumped on [12:05] I do not [12:05] KaMii (nebulae@91.90.29.39) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:05] i do not see you leaving [12:05] ohhh snap [12:05] hahahaha [12:09] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [12:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:10] hi, are the contents in /var/log/removed_packages necessary? [12:11] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:12] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.241.150.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes! [12:12] not really [12:14] so i can clean it? [12:14] it's using 37M [12:15] they used as a log afaik. nothing else [12:15] pi31415: you're not rounded [12:15] removed_scripts/ too [12:17] SigmaVirus24: true [12:17] I made a command grep hostapd /var/log/messages | tail -3 that should point me the macs from the users that try to connect to my hostapd but the line is too big for my conky window [12:17] is there any way i can extract only the time and MAC address? Apr 10 18:23:39 mycomputer hostapd: wlan0: STA 00:11:3b:73:25:30 IEEE 802.11: disassociated [12:18] maybe with "cut" [12:18] guys,can i configure fan speed on my laptop? [12:19] v4nelle: you should be able to... [12:19] Azeotrope, you can use the tool "cut" [12:20] ^^ why i like sitting in here [12:20] you always learn something new [12:20] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [12:21] nvision (~nvision@g229055226.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:21] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:22] barry_ (~sixx@212.183.140.4) joined ##slackware. [12:27] tavl (~tavl@189.70.216.246) joined ##slackware. [12:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:30] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.125.166) joined ##slackware. [12:31] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:31] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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See a build issue like this: http://dickensurl.com/ce69/Mrs_Joe_was_a_very_clean_housekeeper_but_had_an_exquisite_art_of_making_her_cleanliness_more_uncomfortable_and_unacceptable_than_the_dirt_itself_Cleanliness_is_next_to_Godliness_and_some_people_do_the_same_by_religion ? [12:48] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.126.98) joined ##slackware. [12:49] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:49] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:50] what kind of url is that? [12:50] Nick change: rizitis_ -> rizitis [12:50] mancha: It's like tinyurl, except it takes your url and transforms it into a dickens quote. [12:50] rizitis (~rizitis@79.107.126.98) left irc: Changing host [12:50] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [12:57] [stat1c] (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:18] It's not secure, safe.. it might be possible, but probably unwise [13:18] ok...thx guys [13:19] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-97.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:24] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:24] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.248) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:26] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Srbo (~Srbo@109.93.127.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:32] barry_ (sixx@212.183.140.4) left ##slackware. [13:37] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:39] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:40] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.127.116) joined ##slackware. [13:42] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:42] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:43] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:44] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:44] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.241.150.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:45] raela (~raela@cpe-67-241-19-148.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] mach_kern|laptop (~mach_kern@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:46] did lilo.conf's location change? [13:46] it's not in etc anymore [13:47] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:47] It's supposed to be. [13:47] mach_kern|laptop: it should still be there :) [13:48] not there [13:48] nano /etc/lilo.conf gives me a blank page [13:48] nano as root ? [13:48] ...yes [13:48] ls doesn't show it ? [13:49] nope [13:49] i've used slackware since release 1, dunno wtf is going on haha [13:49] doubtful [13:49] well if you used slackware since release 1... you haven't learned shitall about recreating lilo.conf. [13:50] it's not like it's difficult or taxing. [13:50] mach_kern|laptop: get /usr/doc/lilo-22.8/sample/lilo.sample.conf [13:50] i was just asking if the location changed [13:50] yeah i have a sample file ready to go [13:50] i have the impression that lilo.conf is generated by liloconfig during the install [13:50] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:50] the lilo package doesn't come with lilo.conf [13:50] and man lilo didn't explain this to you? [13:50] i just wanted to change a vesa mode, lilo -v, and reboot [13:51] mancha, i was asking if the location changed, that's all, I wasn't asking for someone to hold my hand through it [13:51] kids these days ffs [13:51] Lord_Khelben: correct. Well, setup calls lilo.conf which is located in /sbin/liloconfig .. so .. [13:51] the manpage describes the location of the configuration file [13:51] mach_kern|laptop: you could have done a find for lilo.conf [13:51] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-188-2-209-213.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [13:51] i did [13:51] not found [13:52] oh look .. the man page: "Description: This file, by default /etc/lilo.conf" [13:52] mancha, maybe you know it isn't there [13:52] well I think that should have indicated there was an issue [13:52] IT ISN'T FUCKING THERE [13:52] mach_kern|laptop: so what? recreate it... [13:52] i'm making a new one atm though, so should be good [13:52] mach_kern|laptop: either you didn't install lilo during install, or you erased it by mistake [13:52] that's what i'm saying [13:52] no it's still there [13:52] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:53] ok we've got a communication problem here... [13:54] no we don't [13:54] you and your friend don't have the mental capacity to understand a simple question [13:54] i asked did it move [13:54] 13:51 mach_kern| IT ISN'T FUCKING THER [13:54] seems clear [13:54] firstly, you said you weren't asking for hand-holding. i disagree, you were indeed. [13:54] rofl [13:54] you're an idiot [13:54] i was asking if the location changed [13:54] lal [13:54] this channel isn't for people who can't figure out where lilo.conf is [13:55] you don't have much leverage mach_kern|laptop [13:55] a simple no, it's supposed to be there would have sufficed [13:55] maybe you should use ubuntu [13:55] mach_kern|laptop: people here help voluntarily. you come here ask for help and then insult those who help you [13:55] slackware isn't for people who need their hands held while crossing a street. [13:55] Action: vastina just rubs his temples [13:55] this channel isn't for people who can't figure out where lilo.conf is << lol that's an epic one :D [13:55] wow [13:55] *facepalm* [13:55] mach_kern|laptop: indeed [13:55] morons [13:55] man... i missed something good [13:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] me too apparently [13:55] hahahah mach_kern|laptop, man you're just digging a hole. [13:56] how so? [13:56] i fixed my issue? [13:56] being a fucktard [13:56] and insulting people [13:56] need a tampon? [13:56] offtopic [13:56] wow [13:56] what does that even mean? [13:56] I got what you were saying throughout. but didn't think it was really worth responding to. [13:56] i missed a bit here eh thrice` [13:57] :) [13:57] "hmm, I'm missing lilo.conf. Do I check the man page to see if it moved, or do I lash out on IRC?" [13:57] or check my package lists, or check the changelog for any mention [13:57] the irony of it all is that mach_kern is dishing out the "idiot" insults left and right yet it is clear to all of us here that he is the primary source of idiotic questions [13:57] lol [13:57] no-brainer, that one [13:57] mancha: we can't critise him....;) [13:57] this is hilarious [13:57] because... [13:57] like a death-row pardon two minutes too late [13:57] what does that even mean? << i guess he asks if you have your periods [13:57] After all .. *he* has been running slackware since version 1!!! zomg... [13:58] agreed. it is hilarious. [13:58] only a guess [13:58] right version 1....hah [13:58] yeah actually, since 1994 [13:58] BP{k}: that's some serious tenure [13:58] vastina: ;) [13:58] that just means your'e a really slow learner [13:58] he was working with pat! [13:58] shit no, he taught Pat all he knows [13:58] i wish there were "punch people in the face through tcp/ip" devices [13:59] hahah [13:59] Lord_Khelben: unfortunately, that is patented by IBM, and only works with z/OS :( [13:59] lol [13:59] it's taken 16 years to get a handle on lilo. by my estimate, mach_kernel will know grub inside & out by 2025 [13:59] mancha: hehehe [13:59] lol [13:59] i've actually been using grub longer than liklo [13:59] *lilo [13:59] mancha: by then we might all be using grub2 [13:59] well more oftenly [14:00] ive used grub a total of maybe 2 months... lile for about 10 years [14:00] sucks that you have to reinstall lilo whenever you have a kernel update [14:00] lilo's retarded [14:00] yes, it's awful [14:00] ? [14:00] eviljames: aren't we already are ?? [14:00] reinstalled lilo? [14:00] i just run lilo [14:00] so this guy was running grub in 94? [14:00] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [14:00] its retarded for rewrite the mbr is what i think [14:01] i left my tard-english dictionary at work :/ [14:01] was grub around since 94? [14:01] grub came out in like 99-2k [14:01] not in my timeline [14:01] i don't know much about grub. [14:01] and quit being developed around the same time [14:01] but i suspect there may be other timelines, so i won't presume [14:02] lilo may be retarded but it is that fact that make it work in every case [14:02] i boot using lilo from a gpt disk [14:02] grub works fine on gpt [14:02] [stat1c] (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [14:02] grub1 works through a hack [14:02] unless you're too lazy to set it up in which case i'm sorry for you [14:02] grub2 works if you make a bios boot partition [14:03] grub2 works on gpt just fine [14:03] it works IF you make a "bios boot partition" [14:03] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:03] lilo installs in the 446byte in the protective mbr [14:04] I prefer vi over emacs ... wait wrong flame, let me just check my flaming for dummies book again [14:04] afiak you don't need to even do that anymore [14:04] only bad thing is having to fix the mbr [14:04] jonathanr (~vcbnxn@88-107-175-204.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] i already for got the command to blank out the first sector of the mbr [14:05] you can just use dd [14:05] yeah' but i forget the flags it needs [14:05] Cann0n: bs=446 count=1 [14:05] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 [14:05] if you want to erase the bootloader [14:05] my command wipes the mbr [14:06] bs=512 will erase the whole first sector, so the partition table will be gone too [14:06] if you do the full sector you'll lose your partition table too [14:06] vi and emacs are too screen oriented and not graphical enough, and they should be more object oriented [14:06] yeah, i don't have much experience with that. i've had to fix the mbr maybe 3 times it the past 10 years [14:06] pi31415: heathen! [14:06] pi31415: Emacs is less of an object and more of a monolith. [14:06] Except without the rapid acceleration of technological growth. [14:06] jkwood: complete with apes and sticks? [14:06] hehe [14:06] ah... the epic vim > emacs [14:07] i like vim because it sounds cooler [14:07] i personally like nano [14:07] It's really more of an Old God than anything else at this point. [14:07] one of my favorite features in vi is regex [14:08] mach_kern|laptop: don't you read xkcd? why don't you use notepad.exe or mspaint or something [14:08] if notepad.exe had regex, it would probably be adequate for me [14:08] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:08] pi31415: why not just use echo > file? [14:09] cann0n: I am not that perfect [14:09] lol [14:09] raela: xkcd looks like it was made in mspaint [14:09] doesn't windblowz have their notepad++ or summit? [14:09] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [14:09] mancha: yeah i think... but it hogs resources [14:09] pi31415: xkcd is awesome. also, it started off as drawing in a lab notebook [14:10] raela: I like it better than any other comic, and yet it turned me off to watch the google video of the author [14:10] telperion (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [14:11] pi31415: never seen the google video [14:11] pi31415: somethnig are best never to be watched. ;-) [14:11] raela, used to read it but i got bored of them [14:11] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:11] raela: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJOS0sV2a24 [14:12] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.191) joined ##slackware. [14:12] as if he were worthy enough to act like a punk in front of Donald Knuth [14:12] i've got a few peeves with vim related to mouse usage and the horrible "visual mode" [14:12] visual mode shoudl die [14:12] mancha: I loves me some visual mode. [14:12] mach_kern|laptop: :set mouse="psmouse" [14:13] mancha: agreed [14:13] mach_kern|laptop: you can also uncomment a line in vimrc [14:13] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] woo framebuffer works now [14:14] all 8 penguins show up top [14:14] you're still missing 5, then [14:14] pi31415: wtf, no way am I watching that [14:14] all of them with nose masks ? [14:14] I only get 6 penguins on the 16 core machine [14:14] is there any upper limit to the amount of penguins that can be displayed? [14:14] adaptr, how am i missing 5? [14:14] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:15] i've got two quad core xeons with no hyperthreading [14:15] um... slackware 13 [14:15] feinom_: screen resolution i think [14:15] *facepalm [14:15] don't those appear per cpu thread? [14:15] raela: why not? [14:15] i guess they appear only for real cores [14:15] yeah [14:16] my xeons don't have hyperthreading (ew hyperthreading) :D [14:16] heh, this book references mercurochrome. i remember using that when i was a kid. red antiseptic for cuts [14:16] pi31415: too long [14:16] mach_kern|laptop: mine do.. they are clearly better [14:16] redish/purple? [14:16] hehe [14:17] hyperthreading sucks when you do a lot of rendering [14:17] inefficient [14:17] but for desktop applications it's alright i must say [14:17] there was also a time people used iodine tincture, ayup? cavement... [14:17] mancha, yes [14:17] *cavemen [14:17] iodine is reddish [14:18] iodine works though, right? [14:18] yes [14:18] iodine is what they use in hospitals [14:18] if it ain't pain-relief neosporin it ain't nuttin [14:18] bah be a man and get some rubbing alcohol, disinfect, and bandage it up [14:19] yeah iodine works - they have one called betadine (or summit) [14:19] we did not have neosporin, we had mercurochrome and for the deeper cuts, hydrogen peroxide [14:19] hydrogen peroxide is bad because it can kill some of your good cells too [14:19] did mommy blow on it when it bubbled? [14:20] i don't know how betadine works but i heard from a medic that it doesn't damage your dermal cells et [14:20] *etc [14:20] hi all. i've decided to learn how to use Emacs. i've read of its great potential and i'm tired of using many different IDE every project (such ad Netbeans, Eclipse, devc++) do you know a good guide for beginners for languages like Java and c/c++? [14:20] in retrospect, soap + water would have been better than peroxide [14:21] there's a learn c++ in 21 days that's effective (helped me teach my friend) [14:21] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:21] nope. peroxide kills sperms way more effectively than soap [14:22] key is time tho. and with that ... back into the shadows... [14:23] O_O [14:23] terry_ (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:24] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:24] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:24] I have created a WPA2 access point with hostapd but I can't connect to it. I can see it with my laptop but I can't connect to it.. iwlist s shows it [14:25] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Azeotrope: isn't there any hostapd log that says what happened ? [14:26] peroxide is actually a miraculous liquid [14:26] it's ability to kill is unparalleled....but it doesn;t discriminate. [14:27] Lord_Khelben: IEEE 802.11: deauthenticated due to inactivity [14:27] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.191) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:27] Lord_Khelben: IEEE 802.11: disassociated [14:27] who would have thought that just adding another oxygen... [14:27] by this message i would guess that it got connected but disconnected after some time [14:27] not that it can't connect at all [14:28] telperion (~Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [14:28] mancha, actually it doesn't kill everything [14:29] it only reacts to the protein (well it's an enzyme, which is a protein) catalase [14:29] no catalase, no reaction [14:29] the bubbles expel out oxygen iirc but i'm not sure [14:29] read about it :P [14:30] my hostapd log... http://pastebin.org/144622 [14:31] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:31] s/catalase/catalyst/ [14:31] telperion (Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [14:31] actually, i don't know what type of sugar it interacts with [14:31] ase/ose usually denote sugar molecules [14:31] learn2chem [14:32] neonflux (~neonflux@75.140.153.197) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:34] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:35] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:36] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [14:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:40] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.76) joined ##slackware. [14:41] dios_mio (dios@88.236.179.50) joined ##slackware. [14:41] hi guyz [14:41] hi [14:41] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:42] aloha dios_mio [14:42] maginot (~maginot@pdpc/supporter/active/maginot) left irc: Quit: Linux [14:42] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Azeotrope: did you solve the problem? [14:45] jg71: no [14:45] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-15-176.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] jg71: do you know why i get that? [14:45] im not sure. simplex might have a solution for you [14:46] $(echo fforewop|rev) # this one? [14:46] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:47] please kick simplex [14:47] lulz [14:48] O.o [14:49] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [14:53] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:54] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] nvision (~nvision@g229055226.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:02] makos (~chatzilla@kollegiumok.kefo.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Hello Folk, What about octave on slackware actually? [15:04] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:04] RoacH79 (~RoacH79@97-118-229-138.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Is it supperted? [15:04] RoacH79 (RoacH79@97-118-229-138.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [15:04] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:04] Is it supported? [15:04] makos: i use the slacky.eu package, it's for 1.2 but it works [15:05] at least you can recompile it with the slackbuild [15:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Why isn't it in the repo? [15:05] http://slacky.eu/aadm/pkgs/index.php?ver=6&pkg=1809 [15:05] telperion (~Adium@186.28.140.127) joined ##slackware. [15:06] makos: or it's at http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/academic/octave/ instead [15:06] use the one from sb.org thn [15:06] telperion (Adium@186.28.140.127) left ##slackware. [15:06] simplex: Thanks! [15:07] nvision (~nvision@g229054045.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:07] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Quit: http://clicanimaux.com svp cliquez sur le bouton au millieu de la page pour nourir un animal abandonné, please click on the button and feed a poor and forseken animal for free ! http://clicanimaux.com [15:08] Does somebody know that why it is not in the Slackware repository since release 12.2? [15:09] was it included in slackware before ? [15:09] i don't remember it [15:11] Oh yeah, I see that it isn't in slackware... [15:12] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:13] wycked (~wycked@68-190-131-243.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:14] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:15] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [15:17] sahk0, may I msg you? [15:18] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:21] rizitis_: sure [15:21] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:21] makos: some stuff just doesnt make it to slackware official. thats why theres sbo and others out there [15:22] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.248) joined ##slackware. [15:22] v4nelle (~van@178-14-130.dynamic.cyta.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:23] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [15:23] slackware official is kept pretty trim [15:23] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] makos: probably because nobody submitted it by then? [15:27] ah wait they must have ... *diggs deeper* [15:28] maybe there should be a diskset o for other's packages [15:29] I can't connect to my access point, althrough i can see it with iwlist s. This is my hostapd -ddd output http://pastebin.org/144688 .Any idea? [15:29] theres alot of useful stuff that you have to be in the know to find out about [15:29] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:29] ovnicraft (1000@190.154.246.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:30] makos: octave is on SBo {both 12.2 and 13.0} [15:33] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:33] hey guys, how can i tellw hat is spawning some xsession error messages i am seeing... "Service 'org.kde.amarok' does not exist." in kde4.4.2 [15:35] killed almost everything, and lsof not helping [15:36] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [15:39] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.86.161.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:43] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:45] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Axius (~hi@92.84.28.191) joined ##slackware. [15:46] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.248) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:51] phrags: those are Open Desktop classifiers [15:51] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-65-185-13-167.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:51] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [15:51] greetings [15:52] adaptr: sorry? [15:52] hello everybody [15:53] I decided to do away with KDE, it was eating up resources. seems "xfce" works perfectly for this older system. [15:54] hexdump_: Just as a general way of thinking, unused computing resources are wasted computing resources. [15:54] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [15:54] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:54] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-54-14.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Like the human is more important than the computer? Blasphemer!! [15:54] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Axius (~hi@92.84.28.191) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:55] jkwood: okie, but my system was operating slowly whilst using KDE. [15:55] rob0: I have to defend our rights. Humans don't get thrown away when they cease to be desirable. [15:55] hexdump_: does slowly mean eating lots of resources? [15:55] Just wait until I tell our new Google overlords what you said, jkwood, they will not be pleased with you! [15:56] jkwood: ask the gf ;) [15:56] hexdump_: do you need a desktop environment or are you satisfied with only a windows manager? [15:56] oh wait ... they already know what you said ... [15:56] hexdump_: Were you using the desktop effects without having a 3d-accelerated graphics driver? [15:57] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:57] akira42: I don't really need a window manager, but I decided to mess around with using one. My computer that runs my webserver is CLI only. [15:57] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:57] ivo_ (~strato@f048208160.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:58] jkwood: no desktop effects, just an old computer and I believe KDE was eating up resources. It only has 191mb of ram and a 125gb hdd. [15:58] I've only had slackware for 2 days, and I'm really impressed with it so far. [15:59] Well, it may be a little heavy for that small an amount of ram, yes. [15:59] hexdump_: why don't try then a really small one? if you are used to gnu screen you could try ratpoison [15:59] (the tiling wm) [15:59] akira42: I'm not too familiar with that, but I have tried fluxbox and blackbox with success. I'm diggin' xfce tho it seems to be working rather smoothly at the moment. [16:00] I just installed java JDK 7b88 to see if it play alsa sound better (to see if it will play default alsa sound that is mixed on a Intel HD Audio card)... the sound is choppy: it plays then stops and makes pops, and will sometimes play more [16:00] hexdump_: it has a different aproach to manage windows than the usual windows manager; like trhodes mentioned, it is a tiling one [16:00] rhisa (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Hey folks. So. Is it actually possible to do everything via cli? Zero gui. [16:01] IRC, listen to music, etc with cli. [16:01] rhisa: Absolutely. [16:01] you cant do gimp on cli [16:01] Haha, no graphic is the point. [16:01] rhisa: IRC: irssi, listen to music: mocp [16:01] akira42: I'm not too familiar with the jargon quite yet so I think I should be reading the slackbook for starters. [16:01] jkwood, how can I play mp4/flv files via cli then? [16:01] Amazing. [16:01] rhisa: everything ... you asked for. 's what you get ;) [16:01] rhisa, the gui is usually just a front end for the cli version of the apps [16:02] I read the iptables portion and iptables is fantastic. I've just had problems trying to get ppl to connect via ssh. [16:02] Hm. [16:02] rhisa misuse framebuffer [16:02] rhisa: mplayer -vo framebuffer, I believe. [16:02] I've had a lot of break in attempts before I locked everyone out using iptables. [16:02] rhisa: there was a player which only uses the framebuffer from the console [16:02] Interesting. [16:03] Let me attempt this in a minute or five. [16:03] and if that doesn't work, mplayer -vo caca [16:03] Ah, it's mplayer -vo fbdev or fbdev2. [16:03] trhodes: what does thes make? [16:03] The only thing I can't imagine doing efficiently is surfing the internet. [16:03] -vo caca or -vo aa are both interesting, too. [16:03] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:03] ascii art output, a silly stunt [16:03] lynx is pretty efficient at that. [16:03] alright everyone, I gotta run talk to ya'll later. [16:04] Later hexdump_. [16:04] rhisa: there are tons of web browsers (w3m even can display images, by using the framebuffer) [16:04] elinks has tabbed cli browsing [16:04] hexdump_, I can probably write an iptables script for you for that. [16:04] hexdump_, I wrote my own and it seems to work pretty damn well. [16:04] cya hexdump_ [16:04] Action: jkwood investigates -vo gif89a [16:04] So cli completely dumps the mouse and is black and white, same with browsing in cli? [16:05] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] rhisa: not neccesseraly; depands on the capabilities of the terminal you use [16:05] gpm lets you use the mouse in terminal. [16:05] *necessarily [16:05] Oh. [16:06] Just a bit nervous about it. [16:06] I admit I feel naked without gui. [16:06] you can use a mouse in cli [16:06] you just have to start gpm [16:06] And lynx has a --use-mouse option too, you can click links with the mouse. [16:06] you can try it in an xterm to see if you like it. [16:06] and you can cut and paste [16:06] elinks is also capable of using the mouse [16:07] you can also cut and pase using a terminal multiplexer (like GNU screen) [16:07] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.23) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [16:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:09] As a coding environment, I almost prefer working only in terminal - less distractions. [16:10] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:11] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Action: akira42 too [16:11] Action: mario too [16:12] and less temptation to upen the browser and check up you favorite sites (a very bad habbit) [16:12] *your [16:13] Action: mario has no favorite sites :/ [16:13] hehe [16:13] no facebooks or twitters :) [16:15] _Emeau_ (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-108-227.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: No route to host [16:17] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-108-227.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Action: akira42 too has no facebook or twitter account [16:18] what about myspace or linked in [16:18] mario: don't even know why so many people use these services [16:18] i dont have myspace or linkedin either, heh [16:18] you know what social media is about? the me in it. [16:18] actualy i have 0 of such accounts [16:18] ack mario [16:19] i only belong anti-social sites, you get banned if you try to sign up [16:19] altho i have a gmail account, but i will close that shortly [16:20] you were tricked i believe ... gmail or gspot ... yeah [16:20] Skywise: anti-social sites? what should that be? [16:20] its useless, and i heard google is giving access to goverment, kinda wack, if they want my emails they should sniff network, not get backdoors :P [16:20] akira42 irc for example ;) [16:20] irc FTW [16:20] telling you would defeat the purpose [16:20] inbox.lv ;) [16:20] or was it .lt .... no idea. [16:20] bbiaf [16:20] nvision_ (~nvision@g225057130.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:20] mario: Wacko conspiracy theorists will say anything to get attention. [16:21] so, nvision_ hows things in berlin area? [16:21] mario: you could encrypt every email you send and encourage senders to encrypt there email which they send to you, so there would be no problem if someone gets them [16:21] mario! [16:22] we meet again [16:22] {m,w}ario [16:22] a) gnupg b) gpgrelay [16:22] c) smime (uuugly) [16:23] The-Croupier: ping [16:23] google may not share your email directly, but i'm sure they share/sell derived data like hashes, word freq, etc.. [16:24] google stock exchange forecast, thats something id sign up to [16:24] Skywise: To who? [16:24] nvision (~nvision@g229054045.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:25] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-97.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:29] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:32] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-97.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:32] rhisa (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rhisa [16:35] mach_kern|laptop (~mach_kern@cpe-74-73-253-34.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:35] akira42: i dont care that much about privacy, i just dont feel like having some wackjobs reading my thoughts, thats all :) [16:36] harjar (~oddharjar@cFD945BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [16:37] and you're on irc? [16:37] its kinda different [16:38] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] yeah, people on irc can't read [16:39] or learn [16:39] Action: jg71 looks for .. oh you know [16:40] hmm .. that leads me to thinking ... how big is the possibility to get a proper english sentnce only by smashing your head against the keyboard? [16:40] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [16:40] depends on the keyboard layout [16:40] Do you guys run a 32-bit version of flash player in Slack64 since 64-bit is so sucky? [16:41] I'm unable to watch shows on hulu.com [16:41] Skywise: thats not it, its far harder to track your every sentance, etc, you get to use bouncers, change hosts, nicks, and what not, on e-mail, you usualy use just one, and they can easily track everything you say [16:41] alkos333: no [16:41] When I try to use webcam on a website, it freezes at the permission prompt [16:41] phrags: Why not? [16:41] 64bit is way better on my box [16:41] alkos333: i use 64bit flash [16:42] Skywise: but whatever, i guess its same shit, but id still chose irc over facebooks/etc, whatever [16:42] mario, theres just as fake email too [16:42] phrags: Do you have a webcam? [16:42] mario: who the hell is tracking you? [16:42] oh i wouldn't use that crap [16:42] alkos333: i usually dont answer that question to a stranger on the internet =P [16:42] phrags: no one, he is just paranoid [16:42] haha nobody, i just dont want to make it super easy for them, but i guess nobody had that conclusion from my sentances [16:42] i don't have anything to say to the world about the currrent state of my life [16:43] is there any way to ensure universal hotkeys? [16:43] phrag: touche... http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/client/BigBlueButton.html my webcam works fine when I test it with mplayer. However, when flash asks for permission, it freezes. [16:44] urbanterror, in particular, prevents my xbindkeys mappings for my multimedia keys from working, so in game, i have no software volume control... [16:45] The-Croupier (ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [16:47] phrag: is it working alright for you? [16:47] phrags: Sorry, that was for you [16:48] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:48] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] rizitis_ (~rizitis@79.107.127.116) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] sailhenc (219@AToulouse-258-1-159-28.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:56] hub__ (~nvision@g225058048.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:00] nvision_ (~nvision@g225057130.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:01] Lord_Khelben (~null@188.4.241.150.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes! [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-40.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] perlsyntax (~perlsynta@adsl-68-248-237-150.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Does slackware 13.0 come with gnome desktop? [17:04] no [17:04] i thought it did. [17:05] perlsyntax: older slackware did [17:05] you are more than welcome to install it though. [17:06] i don't think my old laptop can handle kde. [17:07] gnome is more bloated than kde [17:07] xfce [17:07] i think about it. [17:07] perlsyntax (~perlsynta@adsl-68-248-237-150.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] gnuuby doobie dooo [17:08] Nick change: wario -> slackhat [17:10] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8CDFE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:10] this kde problem is really annoying me [17:10] keep getting Service 'org.kde.amarok' does not exist. spammed to .xsession_errors [17:10] i don't even have amarok installed [17:10] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [17:11] thats probably the problem :p [17:12] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:13] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [17:14] is kde installed with slackware default installation? [17:14] or what is [17:14] If you do a full install, yes [17:17] Immundus (~obi@e179141066.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout [17:22] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:27] the latest ClamAV successfully removes KDE [17:33] Razec (1000@187-27-255-81.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:35] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:35] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [17:36] lol [17:36] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:36] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [17:40] Linux has something Windows does not ? bloatware detection ! 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[18:36] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:38] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-154-105-133.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:39] fsilva (~fsilva@201.22.12.48.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:43] Nick change: fsilva_ -> fsilva [18:44] does anyone ever feel so overwhelmed by info that you need to make the action of your head exploding in order to release the tension? [18:46] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:47] MrHales (~MrHales@12.166.25.238) left irc: Quit: http://wwandi.com -- Still not ready for prime time. [18:48] alienBOB (~alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:48] alienBOB (~alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) left irc: Changing host [18:48] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [18:49] wycked, no [18:52] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:53] righteous_ (~righteous@72.95.100.167) joined ##slackware. [18:54] makos (~chatzilla@kollegiumok.kefo.hu) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.4/20100402161724] [18:54] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.22.225) joined ##slackware. [18:55] wycked: no, but I tried that, and yes, it does help [18:56] i used to get stares in my favorite coffee shop, now they dont even flinch. usually just get me more coffee. 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[19:11] :P [19:12] uuuuuuu [19:12] wycked, that means war [19:12] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:12] i dont think a war need be started over my small-ish head [19:12] Amen [19:13] especially when all i need is more coffee [19:13] lol [19:14] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:16] anyone hear of when the new slackbook is supposed to come out? [19:16] vcamposs (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) joined ##slackware. [19:16] when Alan_Hicks finishes [19:17] what would be different with the new slackbook? [19:17] doesn't seem like much. slackware hasn't changed much since... since i started using 7.0 [19:18] I bet there has been a lot of subtle security updates [19:18] I dunno tho I'm a n00bster [19:18] from 1998-2005 it was updated every year, none since then [19:19] must be secure then [19:19] i'm sure that if nothing changed then the book would be out already, however a great deal in hte computer world was changed and the addition to _64 might be enough to count for a new edition [19:20] I'm going to be setting up an e-mail server on my slack machine, which I know nothing about so I'll probably be askin questions here an there. [19:20] hexdump_: but that should be expected [19:20] doesn't slackware come with a SMTP server or POP server or something? [19:21] sendmail and popa3d [19:21] wycked: i doubt it. only thingns i could think about changing are the versions and methods of doing things... like compiling 2.4 vs 2.6 kernels [19:21] Cann0n: will it give me the option to setup e-mail accounts and send e-mail from my pc then? [19:21] stop asking questions [19:22] who moi? [19:22] hexdump_: i meant your comment about security updates [19:22] oh [19:22] "will it.." "will it..." all those are best solved by getting your hands dirty and doing it [19:22] okay no biggie just curious about some things [19:22] mancha: I know I'm not messing with it right now I was just asking in general [19:22] gui_ap (1000@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) joined ##slackware. [19:22] read the Changelogs for slackware back to version 8.1 and look at the latest dates on those versio [19:22] ns [19:22] then come here with "when i do this blah happens, can i get it to do bleh instead" much moar bettar than your futuristic hypotheticals [19:23] mancha, once again you man me giggle with your bold in-your-face attitude. <3 [19:23] lol alright man [19:23] thanks for the help everyone tho. It's always nice when I come in here [19:23] when I kick hexdump_ he goes away - how can I solve this ? [19:23] heh heh [19:24] alright folks I'll catch ya's a little later [19:24] alisonken1home: yeah, there has been many changes, but not manf significant or drastic changes in direction. [19:24] dropping gnome was a must because... well because it just didn't make since to keep them supported as both kde and gnome grew in size. [19:25] KDE really bogs down my old system [19:25] and because pat did't have an army of folks to help him [19:25] hexdump_: that is why you should use fluxbox. [19:25] Cann0n: that's not why it was dropped [19:25] xfce, fluxbox, and blackbox works really well [19:25] NyteOwl: what was the reason? [19:25] gnome's not the easiest thing to maintain especially when they pull some weird development paths [19:25] Lots of distros supply both [19:26] "blackbox" looks really old tho [19:26] i haven't seen one supply both in a while. [19:26] hexdump_: comments like that will get you slapped. [19:26] Cann0n: red hat/fedora and its derivatives [19:26] hexdump_: because it is old. it's antique. [19:26] Cann0n: time requied to maintain and package. and the increasng size of both. the latter is the same reason Soackware uses tetex despite it being unmaintained instead of TexLive (which is huge) [19:27] i've yet to hear an intelligent reason to swithc to texlive [19:27] Cann0n: sorry I didn't say it was bad tho it worked really nice [19:27] NyteOwl: thats what i mean. they grew too large to just make it as easy few changes [19:28] I like the little comments when I log in. [19:28] mancha: I'm not a hiuge Latex user but apaprently there are some thigns that don't work right on tetex and as it hasn't been maintained for a couple of years now you eiyther fix them yourself or sue soemhtign else. There is a Slackbuild for texlive though if you need it [19:28] well I really gtg now I'll be back later. Thanks again for the support everyone. [19:28] hexdump_: 'fortune' is the program that prints them [19:28] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Cann0n: KDE is just as large if not more so - could have dropped it as easily but Pat likes KDE better so ... [19:29] NyteOwl: i don't disagree with that. :) i would have picked KDE over gnome too [19:29] GNOME also uses PAM which Pat dislikes so ... [19:29] PAM.... *hissssss* [19:29] Cann0n: different strokes I guess - I prefer GNOMAE [19:29] NyteOwl: he doesn't dislike it anymore. he's just indiferrent [19:29] NyteOwl i guess there might be...though tex and the latex macro extensions haven't changed since tetex stopped getting ipdated in '06. maybe knuth comes out with new language specs but i doubt it./ [19:30] i think xfce is the most bloat i'll use. i may switch back to fluxbox [19:32] xfce + wbar is nice [19:32] i never had a system that could easily handle fancy things [19:32] hmm... also iirc, gnome had an unnecessarily annoying compile/install/package process. [19:33] i just don't like gnome. i've had so many issues in the past with gnome. though i like a lot of the g software [19:33] I've never really cared about gnome or KDE anyway ~_~ [19:34] Cann0n: you love it :) [19:36] chipster: i know you do. lol. i'm not against gnome. just i prefer light weight [19:36] brb. it got hella crazy here [19:36] slink (copy@node-43.blackcore.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] even bsd uses pam now [19:38] o.0 [19:43] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [19:43] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:48] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:51] notKlaatu (~klaatu@host-69-95-133-232.pit.choiceone.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:00] slackie (x@unaffiliated/slackie) left ##slackware. [21:01] sh0ne (~Unknown@cable-188-2-209-213.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:01] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:02] thrice`, from what article? [21:03] an unpublished article yet, but a very intensive study done from a university [21:03] maybe ask on #kde-bugs [21:03] http://i41.tinypic.com/somph3.png for non-HD [21:04] thrice`, s/bitartes/bitrates/g? [21:05] yes, an un-published article ;) [21:05] it's just done recently, that was posted from the x264 guys [21:05] :P [21:05] whats that intel** [21:05] ? [21:06] the Indeo codec, I think [21:06] btw, where can i find documentation about the slackware installer? [21:08] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:08] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:18] guax: linuxpackages.net, slackwiki.org, and of course the slackware book [21:18] chasmo77: .... [21:18] doubtfull. [21:19] i'm filled with doubt [21:19] Two out of three ain't bad! [21:19] chasmo77: you must be to be suggesting lp.net. [21:20] use the source, guax [21:20] M1ck3y (~jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] guax: source/installer/ probably would be a starting point probably. [21:21] chasmo77, slackwiki.org have nothing i could find. slackbuild have nothing special. will look for linuxpackages. the source is rater simple. but what bothers me is the fact i just find the setup inside the initrd and no script or documentation about how to mantain this one. as for kernel updating, and other software even for rebuilding it [21:21] guax: don't bother with linuxpackages. [21:23] guax, I'll send a pdf of linuxpackages' Slack package howto [21:25] chasmo77, isnt that documentation about slackware packages right? [21:25] guax: what other software do you need to configure a kernel? [21:25] guax, yes [21:25] chasmo77, is not what im looking for [21:26] guax, fine. perhaps giyf [21:27] straterra, well, the initrd is the system that contains the slackware installer for cdrom and usb images. what i want is to understand and being able to reproduce its building and upgrading process. i can imagine and pretty sure can make by hand. but i am looking for someone who did it before. [21:27] guax: I know whan an initrd is [21:27] straterra, just puting on context [21:28] ah, that installer. is that not isolinux. [21:28] *sighs* [21:29] straterra: I think I need more alcohol. [21:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:33] Action: rob0 pours more for BP{k} [21:33] cheers [21:34] cheerio! [21:34] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [21:36] guax, http://www.mediafire.com/?djym2vmjddm is the draft report, fwiw [21:36] man, that rob keeps making others drink [21:36] rob is a bad bad bad example [21:37] yep [21:37] thumbs: maybe but hey, free booze. ;) [21:37] I'll drink to that. It's my one good quality, to be a bad example. [21:37] trhodes: well that doesn't bode.. erm .. never mind. [21:37] d*mn cyberholics [21:37] =;^) [21:39] Action: raela fills BP{k}'s glass some more :P [21:39] \oo/ [21:39] He'll start getting silly soon. [21:39] dios_mio (dios@88.236.179.50) left irc: [21:41] hey just got a small question regarding slackware package managers [21:41] I installed a package manager but I forget the name of it. Sorry [21:41] it's something like gbo something... [21:41] err [21:41] that's not a good start [21:41] hexdump_: sbopkg [21:41] It's okay. Drink up! [21:41] hexdump_: sbopkg? [21:41] ha [21:41] yeah that's right I'm sorry [21:42] I've been doing several things at once forgot my bad [21:42] Drinking means you never have to say you're sorry. [21:42] lol [21:42] good one [21:43] hexdump_: sbopkg isn't really a packagemanager as such, it's a frontend that downloads, compiles builds from slackbuilds.org then uses slackwares native packaging tools to install them. [21:44] BP{k}: thanks buddy, I'm going to add that to my notes. and this time I'll add the name of the frontend to my notes so I don't forget [21:44] well incase I forget I'll have it to refer to. [21:44] hexdump_: [21:44] hexdump_, and what is the question? [21:45] oh nothing I just forgot what the name of the frontend was [21:45] KaMii: hang on [21:46] oh [21:46] =P [21:46] guax: thanks mon [21:46] hey thanks again all for having patience with me. [21:47] rob0: oh, by the way: I'm sorry for what I did last month while I was drunk. [21:48] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:48] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [21:48] uh oh [21:48] Don't worry, I forgot about it. [21:49] Drunk rule #1: if cant remember, it didnt happened. If pics exist, they are photoshoped [21:50] thumbs: my mom just asked me if you are ever going to call her back [21:50] KaMii: you're not part of this conversation. [21:50] thats what pvt is for [21:51] IRC Rule #23: everyone present on the channel is part of the active conversation made public [21:51] ok, i just made that u [21:51] up [21:51] its true guax [21:51] KaMii's comment was distasteful [21:52] thumbs, he did it for the lulz [21:52] or not [21:52] Action: KaMii isnt a he [21:52] shit [21:52] KaMii, sorry [21:53] well, that remembers me another important irc true: "irc: where men are men, women are men and little girls are fbi agents" [21:53] lolz [21:54] Action: KaMii isnt fbi though [21:54] that leaves you as a man [21:54] not really [21:54] but if it makes you feel comfortable..... [21:55] comfortable? that scares the hell out of me. but thats ok. [21:55] in a way it seems very strange that gender could be encoded in ASCII or even UTF-8 [21:55] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] pi31415, its a metatag :P [21:56] why can't we all be androgynous robots on IRC? [21:56] lolz [21:56] pi31415: don't the curves of the letters of my nick take a more.. feminine.. look? [21:57] omg, raela you're a woman, too? [21:57] guax: I could be an fbi agent. better watch out [21:57] it's like they're takin' over the innernets [21:57] Action: guax checks out if hes really on irc saturday night [21:57] haha [21:57] damn, it seems so true :| [21:58] guax: the problem is.. as it is irc on a saturday night.. you might not want to go near the women around :) [21:58] M1ck3y (jon@c-68-40-207-181.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:58] raela, true, true [21:59] fbi agent > woman > man [21:59] ok question: why does the majority of ppl on irc have a short temper/fuse? [21:59] didnt your mothers hug you when you were young? [22:00] kamii: because people tend to be more direct and honest behind the security of a terminal and thousands of kilometers of distance [22:00] the majority of us are bots [22:00] KaMii: troll much? [22:00] i have better things to do than troll irc [22:00] KaMii, because its easy for people forget that the little thing written between < and > is actually a real person. So respect tends to fade away [22:00] KaMii: that's ironic, considering your last statement [22:01] pi31415s theory is complimentary [22:01] people who smile all the time must be hiding something [22:01] guax: The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two" [22:02] or we just find everything so funny [22:02] pi31415, not teeth for sure. [22:02] Action: KaMii is only one of those [22:02] :/ [22:02] People who smile all the time are weird [22:02] oh noes, emo [22:02] some people smile when nervous.. weirdos [22:02] emo's?? they never smile [22:03] well, going for beer [22:03] see ya [22:03] later, guax [22:04] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [22:04] raela, btw single was never a necessary characteristic =P [22:04] guax: haha.. well, okay then :P [22:04] hi, i just backed up some directories on a dvd, but `du` is indicating that the file sizes are different from the original. [22:05] what does this mean? [22:05] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) joined ##slackware. [22:05] echelon: how much different? [22:05] what does cmp say? [22:05] not a lot. [22:05] cmp /dvd/filename /original/filename [22:05] does it work with directories? [22:05] echelon: run md5sum and compare those. there's even md5deep. it's likely du shows different size, because of the different filesystem [22:05] whenever i burn stuff it always complains and says the filesizes are differnt, i just ignore it [22:05] echelon, no, but you could try it with a single file [22:06] oh, i just realized you said 'du' and not 'df' [22:06] can't compare directories? [22:06] du will report differently on different filesystems [22:06] ok [22:06] oh [22:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:07] alright thanks :) [22:08] so is that why k3b always cries after a burn? using the verrify switch [22:08] so if cmp doesn't report anything, it's fine [22:08] if cmp doesn't report anything then the two files are the same [22:08] ok great [22:09] full install of -current (32): 4.7G [22:09] KaMii: k3b is such a bitch... I just use the cli tools =) [22:09] A toast to 4.7G! [22:10] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable" [22:10] they should rewrite it then, why do they have it use such a bad verify tool? [22:10] phoenix^ (~firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:10] 4.7G is hardly minimal [22:10] KaMii: I dont know... you could always use md5sum on /dev/sr0 [22:10] KaMii: so tweak the source yourself.. [22:11] ya thats what i alwasy do is just md5 it after [22:11] Gone are the days of 3.14GB [22:11] i guess i could change it, but meh i have better things to do [22:11] lolz [22:11] Action: pi31415 grins [22:11] my first linux box had an 800mb hard drive [22:12] 02:00 < pi31415> people who smile all the time must be hiding something [22:12] like try to figure out why metasploit is missing all the databases..... [22:12] :P [22:12] pi31415: my first linux box was a 486 sx/2 50mhz with a 400mb hd [22:12] My first one had 2 100MB RLL drives. [22:13] mine was a 486 dx 50 mhz [22:13] with a vesa local bus et4000 video adapter [22:13] Action: KaMii sits back and watches the pointless argument on who has the oldest box [22:13] it ran X and netscape just fine [22:13] pi31415: mine was a cirrus logic [22:13] 80386DX-33, plus 387 mathco! 8MB RAM, fine machine. [22:13] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:13] i guess i shouldn't mention my 386sx16 with 5mb ram... [22:14] compiling kernels in slackware was a weekend job [22:14] yup [22:14] ananke: lol [22:14] thank god we don't have to deal with that crap anymore [22:14] haha, no nostalgia [22:14] my first kernel compile was crazy, watching in top as the memory was about to fill up [22:15] i used to get sig11 when gcc ran out of memory [22:15] and you really had to have swap back then [22:15] I wish my 286 hadn't disappeared in a move before I could try that 16-bit Linux port I found. [22:15] the interweb was full of lies. "sig11 means bad hardware, not no memory" [22:15] I did a quick mkswap swapfile and swapon'ed it ... right after I hit enter I saw the new swap start to get used [22:15] it meant no memory [22:15] KaMii: not all of us started playing with Linux yesterday [22:15] jkwood: I'll give you my 286, if you want it. [22:16] sig11 often meant hardware issues. i've seen it plenty of times on cpus overheating [22:16] i know that phrags [22:16] pi31415: it means segementation fault [22:16] i just think its funny how everyone talks about their old boxes [22:16] Nah, I've got enough interesting but useless junk sitting around. [22:16] jkwood: fair enough. [22:17] Still have to figure out where I'm going to put the rackmount box work is giving me. [22:17] jkwood: I was given one of those too! [22:17] funny thing about those old boxes. these days hardware older than 5 years is old junk [22:17] KaMii: its what old people do! :D [22:17] The first Linux box of mine had a mouse. [22:17] KaMii: now get off my lawn! [22:17] :D [22:18] snL20: use the cane! [22:18] why would i be on your lawn? i dont get it [22:18] I was given a dual xeon @ 2Ghz, with 15krpm 9 GB drives [22:18] raela: lol [22:18] I think I'll use it as my desktop. [22:18] thumbs: that's an odd combination [22:18] phrags (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [22:18] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ananke: old drives in a new box, I know. [22:19] I've got something like that. Eventide recorder that had the raid array go awry. I figure I can get it up and running with Slack and xbmc. [22:19] ananke: wait, maybe it's 18GB [22:19] This mouse was actually living inside the case. [22:19] thumbs: if only it was TB =) [22:19] rob0: =D [22:19] snL20: I have a 2 TB file server already - no need [22:20] thumbs: hehe... 18TB... I wouldnt say no :) [22:20] Oh, and the box crashed about 3 weeks before I decommissioned it. It was my router for a cable modem. Kept passing packets even after the userspace died. [22:20] I have no use for 18TB. [22:20] thumbs: I do... [22:20] me too [22:21] those sig11's may have been the result of bad hardware, i no longer have it around to test [22:21] i had a segmentation fault a month ago [22:21] but i read some posts about cases where the linux kernel would throw sig11 when virtual memory was low [22:21] it wasnt hardware problem [22:21] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:22] thumbs: I only have 3,5TB currently and its getting full =) [22:22] snL20: bloody hell. [22:22] lol [22:22] hardcore pron [22:22] snL20: I have 1 GB of movies at work, but I would never be able to fill 3GB [22:22] someone had to say it [22:22] lolz [22:22] furry pron in RAW format takes some serious disk space. [22:22] snL20: all legal rips too. [22:23] thumbs: GB ? [22:23] sure thumbs, we are all legal here [22:23] :> [22:23] 1gig of movies???? i have one hour documenatries that are larger than one gig [22:23] furries are just weird [22:23] a regular movie is 1.4 GB (xvid) [22:23] thumbs: I'm putting all my dvd's on external drive(s) [22:24] actaully you can make a solid xvid on 700mb [22:24] snL20: same, but I'm encoding at a reasonable rate. [22:24] mancha: the quality would suffer [22:24] thumbs: I'm not encoding [22:24] most my documentaries are HD format and encoded super high quality [22:24] thumbs: iso copys [22:24] snL20: oh, you're storing pure avi files? [22:24] sure, thats always true, more compressed less quality. but i think at 700mb it is solid [22:25] thumbs: dvd iso's [22:25] thumbs: usually I use k9copy to get only the main movie [22:25] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:25] thumbs: my wd live tv can play them and let me select subtitles and audio tracks [22:26] snL20: oh, nice. [22:26] I usually rip the main title with dvd::rip [22:26] http://www.furcadia.com/download/info.html [22:26] bet there are lots of fbi agents there [22:26] thumbs: yeah... sometimes I have to use dvdfab in wine like with the new disney dvd's [22:27] pi31415: nah.. just lots of pervs [22:27] x264.720P.AC3 format gives a very nice HD quality [22:27] snL20: I find that I can play xvid on any device. So it works for me. [22:28] KaMii: I've been debating using 264 encoding, too. [22:28] thumbs: I'm all about quality.. =) [22:28] its worth it thumbs [22:28] once you go there, you wont ever go bck [22:28] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] thumbs: yeah.. 264 is very nice.. for blu ray :) and dvd rips get better in quality and/or smaller in sizze [22:29] size* [22:29] thumbs: check out handbrake and use ghb [22:29] snL20: well, on my TV, there is NO difference between h264 and xvid, trust me. [22:30] the quality is sooo nice you will wonder how you were able to watch the stuff from before [22:30] whatever the hardware supports [22:30] let xvid die in peace [22:30] thumbs: time to get a new tv. you won't go back :) [22:30] ananke: haha. [22:30] thumbs: hehe... well I have a full hd 1080p tv so =) [22:30] snL20: I have a 26" crt [22:30] thumbs: ouch... eye cancer =) [22:30] tv is soooo 1990's get a projector [22:30] no, you *had*! [22:31] thumbs: biggest advantage, besides being able to watch hdtv content is wide screen. i can't stand watching tv now in 4:3 [22:31] ananke: it's annoying, but I live in a constrained space. a big TV is out of the question. [22:31] thumbs: well crt's are bigger in some ways [22:31] psp? [22:31] lolz [22:32] many new tvs are are very thin [22:32] thumbs: no need to get anything big. in fact, any lcd will be much smaller than your current tube [22:32] thumbs: you could go for a 32" [22:32] fair point [22:32] 32" and only 1.5" thick is very small [22:32] thumbs: and you can hang it on a wall [22:32] thumbs, have you considered a pocket projector? [22:32] so when your neighbor closes his door it falls and breaks [22:33] you're talking like I'm rich, or something. [22:33] heh [22:33] pocket protector? [22:33] they're the size of a pack of cigs and about 1100 lumens, which looks great [22:33] lolz [22:33] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:33] sounds like it gets hot fast [22:33] KaMii: depends where you hang it and what you use to hang it with =) [22:33] KaMii: right. because you'd hang a tv like you hang a picture: on a rusty nail? [22:33] i just switched from one set of ear buds to another, it is amazing how much better the second set sounds [22:34] ananke: I'd use some sandpaper on it first. [22:34] KaMii, not at all, they use led lamps [22:34] better quality construction [22:34] Frankly thumbs is not Rich. [22:34] The nail, not the tv. [22:34] ananke: KaMii would :D [22:34] ananke: I'll try to save up a grand or so, and switch over, for sure then. [22:34] projectors are annoying as hell, hard to find one that's both bright enough, and quiet enough [22:34] lolz probably [22:34] don't earbuds cause health issues? [22:34] i don tknow anything about hanging things on walls [22:34] thumbs: grand? you can get a very good 32" for ~400 usd [22:34] pocket projectors are silent, but don't work in direct sunlight [22:35] not in Sweden ananke [22:35] ananke: ok, 600 CAD [22:35] KaMii: sucks to be you [22:35] $350 http://www.3m.com/mpro/ [22:35] but they're portable [22:35] not really [22:35] KaMii: then why are you whining? [22:35] im not [22:35] KaMii: so you decided to chime in for no good reason? [22:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:36] mancha, which headphones don't? [22:36] its called an IRC chatroom [22:36] ananke: keep in mind that I would need new furniture, or a rack to mount it on the wall. It adds up. [22:36] I got a 26" 1080p monitor for $200, it works with the cable box [22:36] KaMii: ohh. right. remind me that next time you ask why people are so mean to you on irc [22:36] because your more childish than a child? [22:36] pi yes, iirc it has to do with interfering with the bodies ability to push out wax [22:36] thumbs: monoprice.com, $19 for a wall mount [22:37] *body's [22:37] KaMii: priceless. just priceless. [22:37] dont tvs come with mounts and stuffs like that? [22:37] monoprice is good for cables too [22:37] earbuds sound awful in the first place :/ [22:37] KaMii: last time I looked (3 years ago), it didn't [22:37] thats dumb [22:37] yeah, for $30 you get your wall mount and tons of cables, including hdmi ones [22:37] i have a pair of cans, but they hurt my cartiledge after a while [22:38] pi31415: toughen up :P [22:38] the cans do get better bass [22:38] thumbs: in fact, one of my coworkers has that wall mount from monoprice, with a 42" tv on it. works like a charm [22:39] ananke: ok, thanks for the pointers. [22:39] i don't like earbuds cause they exclude too much of the ambient noise around you [22:39] trhodes, i am listening to a 56kbit podcast, not audiophile quality [22:40] tv's should not exceed 21", should be 4:3 crt and have rabbit ears [22:40] pi31415: what you want is a boombox so you can annoy everyone with your bad taste in music :D [22:40] thumbs: overall, the prices of quality tvs have come down by a lot in the last 12 months. LED tvs are even dropping [22:40] ananke: well, 3d tv's are coming out, so that's normal, right? [22:40] thumbs: nobody wants 3d tvs [22:40] they're clearing out inventory to roll in the new 3d tvs [22:40] not until they don't require special goggles to watch them [22:40] there no such thing anyway [22:41] they're stereoscopic tvs [22:41] thumbs: sure... wait a bit longer the prices will drop... :D [22:41] my interest dropped before the prices did [22:41] i still have a moronoscopic tv [22:41] Nick change: jeagone -> jeagoss [22:42] pi31415: what you want is a black and white tv with mono =) [22:42] the main difference being that the perspective doesn't change as the view moves around [22:42] snL20, he's really just watching a box with a tv drawn on it [22:42] I got really spoiled watching sports and other shows in HD, it is amazing how good it looks [22:43] watching any hdtv documentary with david attenborough is worth it [22:43] brokedown: yeah... watching house and heroes in hd is nice [22:43] Sesame Street!! [22:43] hell, sesame street broadcasts in hdtv [22:43] jinx [22:44] well, rob0 is still a big kid, in many ways. [22:44] cause kids got hdtvs now? [22:44] I do an awesome Ernie ... listen to this: Oh, hi Bert! [22:44] man, that sounds just like him [22:44] cookie monster in 720p rocks [22:45] heh... its strange you know... the made a norwegian version of it I used to watch as a kid =) [22:45] they've made versions around the world [22:46] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-15-176.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] O hi Bert, mi sister vas bitten bi a m00se [22:46] plaza sesame is even shown in america [22:46] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:46] Skywise: so basically you have to download all those versions to see it all :D [22:46] KaMii (nebulae@91.90.29.39) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:46] i don't think anyone has the complete collection [22:47] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-132-190.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:47] Skywise: hehe [22:47] i remember once i tried to walk to sesame street [22:47] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:47] Skywise: did you get there ? :D [22:47] no, i had a plan tho [22:47] lol [22:47] i was gonna get on the train and ask the conductor [22:48] ...has been brought to you by the letter zeta and the number cuatro... [22:48] they said i couldn't go without my parents [22:48] 123 45 6 78 910 11 [22:49] 12 [22:49] 12! [22:49] Skywise: you should try that now then :D [22:49] pi31415: ^5 [22:49] now i got gps! [22:50] my friend's dad thought sesame street contained hidden gummint brainwashing for kids [22:50] Skywise: how does that help.. do you have the position ? [22:50] pi31415, yea don't be dumb like yer dad [22:50] lemme see what comes up [22:50] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.120.97) joined ##slackware. [22:50] this show has been brought to you by the letters: c,i, and a, and the number 13 [22:51] pi31415: its true.... they we're all a bunch of terrorists [22:51] \o [22:51] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:51] dang, i need a cross street [22:51] I'd say hi but you are alreadygone .... [22:52] fair enough [22:52] anyone know what corner sesame street is on? [22:52] skywise, you got a chunk of magnetic meteorite? [22:52] Skywise: LSD Lane [22:52] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. 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[23:09] ACKT1C (~joeymb@adsl-75-10-110-54.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:10] ACKT1C (joeymb@adsl-75-10-110-54.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:13] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.28) joined ##slackware. [23:21] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.28) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:22] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-49-146.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [23:23] john_bristol (~john@host-84-9-51-46.dslgb.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:26] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [23:26] openbox slackbuild is outdated, anyone know the maintainer? [23:29] echelon: I don't know. perhaps "Maintained by: Chess Griffin " holds a vital clue for you? [23:29] i mean, does he come around here? [23:29] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-29-242.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:30] not as often as he used to do. [23:30] oh ok. [23:30] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] well, i shouldn't nag, i have plenty of people complaining at me for not updating my slackbuilds :/ [23:31] vital clue [23:31] lol [23:31] i can't use my system to test them as it's not "clean" [23:32] and i'm using -current from.. a year ago. [23:33] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Captain, she needs init 1 or she'll not take much more of this! [23:34] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:36] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.28) joined ##slackware. [23:38] Nick change: mach_kernel -> mach_kernel|TV [23:38] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-15-176.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] is it better to upgrade apps as they need it or reinstall when new versions come out? [23:41] Upgrade. [23:41] i fail to see the difference there. what do you mean by 'reinstall'? [23:41] 'reinstall when new versions come out' == 'upgrade' [23:44] fresh install [23:45] of what, an application? which means removing the previous version then installing new one? that's the same as upgrade [23:46] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:46] LifeForce4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [23:46] yeah like if I had a handful of apps that there is new versions of would it be better to just upgrade those or install a new version of everything when it comes out? [23:48] ajna (~ajna@68.235.239.145) joined ##slackware. [23:50] Hello. Not exactly a Slackware question, but I don't know where else to find techies who would know the answer. I have enough cash for a new television or a new monitor for my system. I'm wondering if I will be able to use a DVD player, Playstation, etc with a monitor (not a television) if I go with a monitor. Has anyone tried this? Did you need any special equipment? [23:50] have you tried bestbuy? [23:51] ajna: You'll need the monitor to have some sort of video inputs s-video, composite, hdmi, something like that. [23:51] ajna: depends on the inputs, my newest monitor has 2 hdmi, 2 dvi, and svideo; so yes it would work with your setup [23:51] Connectors on my external devices (DVD player) match those available on the monitor, but there's no tv tuner built-in. Some thing require being on Channel 3 for example. Is this a problem? No such thing as channel 3 as far as a bare monitor is concerned. [23:51] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:52] pkgtool does not honor the $ROOT variable, unlike the other scripts in the pkgtool package, hmmm. [23:52] oldschool channel 3 only devices probably won't work without some rigging [23:52] Thanks brokedown. I guess I need to see if a playstation 3 requires a specific channel. [23:53] ajna: it doesn't, I got one hooked to a monitor here [23:53] Thanks to you too jkwood [23:53] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.120.97) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:53] Oh, great. Good to know. Didn't want to put down the money on a monitor without being sure, but you've got it working. [23:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:54] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:00] --- Sun Apr 11 2010