[00:00] or dedicated pc [00:00] what's a good default app for Opera to open a sound stream with? [00:00] mplayer [00:01] anything smaller? [00:01] more specific? [00:01] mplayer-plugin [00:01] k [00:01] blah stupid KVM [00:01] lf4: which kind [00:02] antiwire: iptables cant handle routing? [00:02] Linux can route an bridge [00:02] Family_guy: yes it can [00:02] and* [00:02] iptables is DESIGNED for routing [00:02] spook: iogear 4/USB [00:03] lf4: so not the kernel's kvm [00:03] "they lack their own router" I thought you used iptables for routing in that case [00:03] spook: no [00:03] lf4: statement not question [00:04] "no" is still the correct response. [00:04] Sorry. :) [00:04] rworkman: heh :P [00:04] haha rworkman [00:05] rworkman: why isnt macavity an op? [00:05] I dunno; I guess cause nobody ever saw a need. [00:05] Family_guy: If a person does not have their own router you would set the mode to 'routed' mode so that they can plug their PC directly into the modem and have at least some form of filtering. [00:05] spook, i disagree, iptables is designed for filtering ip packets, route is used for routing [00:05] edman007: I wasn't going to be the pedant [00:06] lol [00:06] :D [00:06] antiwire: sorry I was thinking of those modem combo that ships with router capabilities. [00:06] antiwire, someone was wrong on the internet! [00:06] edman007: heh [00:10] blackorca (n=blackorc@72-58-205-95.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] So I hear Slackware64 isn't going to have 32-bit compatibility out of the box? [00:11] well no duplicate 32-bit libs [00:12] i think static 32-bit things should work though... 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[00:21] dchmelik anyone with anything esoteric. :) swap [00:22] seems Opera is alil flaky tonight in 1kx768 res [00:23] moose double-bounces and opera refuses to drop menus [00:23] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [00:24] dchmelik whatcga got? [00:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] i have a lot of estoteric texts, art, music modules.... [00:25] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] demos, old games [00:26] on ftp? or http? what woul dbe easier? i can open my http [00:26] or my ftpd [00:26] for some reason my router is not allowing that access to my machine, so i would have to email it [00:26] i am not sure even DCC will work for me right now [00:26] aww. bummier [00:26] less test it [00:27] so you want me to test it somehow? [00:27] yea send file [00:27] anything [00:27] ok [00:28] oh that's a cool text [00:28] dchmelik standard `interrupted syscall' [00:29] bummer [00:29] less see if you can recv [00:29] what is that kind of error? [00:29] k [00:29] means bx couldnt connect. dns error afaik [00:30] or netw error [00:30] well it would not have to be DNS on IRC when you are not using a domain name [00:30] ther is a name being used internally [00:30] I have a newbie question... how linux can hande mounting, say 300GB on 10GB partition? [00:31] cant [00:31] what is 10g and 300g content? [00:31] say a win partition [00:31] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-76-235-38-55.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] Quiznos, if you are directly connected i do not think there is an internal name... for me their is because i am behind a router, but it is still a number, not name [00:31] a ntfs media files partiton [00:31] i mean 'there is' [00:32] get that [00:32] i think so [00:32] ok so you can recv but not send!~ [00:32] good [00:32] one way is better than 0 [00:32] i have your IP too [00:33] geno_ (n=geno@ip-118-90-92-91.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:34] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [00:34] RaNdY (i=randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [00:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:34] I have a HD of 400GB, 300gb ntfs holding media files, and 100GB for linux wich is subdivided onto other partition specificaly 10GB on /(root) how linux can handle mouting the 300GB ntfs partition on that 10GB? [00:35] mountin on /mnt for instance [00:35] Family_guy, do you want to be able to read and write to it or not? [00:35] Family_guy, quite easy if you have the ntfs support [00:35] only read [00:35] http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions [00:36] Family_guy, you just mount the NTFS partitions in a blank folder in your GNU/Linux disk [00:36] guys its matter of logic, in other words how can 300GB fit in 10GB, thats what i mean. [00:37] "fit" is wrong word in context [00:37] yeah you can do that just by adding "/dev/whatever /mnt/wherever ntfs ro,umask=000" to the end of /etc/fstab [00:37] it doesn't "fit", it is made available to it [00:37] Just read the damn link I posted :) [00:37] think in terms of inodes, not actual space. [00:37] not free blocks [00:37] unless you're talking about migrating (moving) the files from the ntfs partition to the linux filesystems, that's totally different [00:37] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:37] when you mount that sucker as /mnt/windows for instance, it's just there and works [00:38] has nothing to do with the space of the other filesystems [00:38] brb im reading that damn link [00:38] just as mounting a floppy on A: in windows doesn't mean you need 1.4GB free space on C: to do it [00:38] Family_guy, maybe you must read more about 'mount' word in linux world [00:38] just that windows assigns drive letters. linux does not. linux handles storage slightly differently. [00:38] 1.44 MB you mean. [00:38] Family_guy see my comments from a few secs ago [00:38] think of / as "My Computer" and /mnt/wherever as "D:" [00:39] i have a network problem that Quiznos and I were talking about [00:40] i am able to recv dcc'd files from dchmelik [00:40] oops unable [00:40] but i can send to dchmelik [00:40] open the range of ports dcc uses [00:40] dchmelik which client are you using? [00:40] ok man [00:40] ok mancha [00:41] my connection goes to a satellite antenna with a bridge and then to a router and to my computer's ethernet device... somewhere in there is one or more firewalls... how do i go about changing it back to normal network settings... i also cannot access httpd, ftpd, probably not sshd either [00:41] i am using pidgin [00:41] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:41] i duno it; is there a conf option to declare range of ports to allow dcc on? [00:41] i doubt it [00:41] dchmelik i'd get a UI for iptab munging [00:41] ok [00:41] iptables? [00:41] yea [00:42] normal network settings? you can delete your ~/.purple/prefs.xml if you want [00:42] do you have that running? [00:42] but that deletes all your preferences [00:42] dchmelik rename that file that TwinReverb names [00:42] should i ps ax|grep iptables? [00:42] (-sv works [00:42] no [00:42] it's kernel internal [00:42] so actually linux make some kinda link pointing to that bigger partition, not actually having it inside. [00:42] zgrep /var/config.gz [00:42] what TwinReverb said will probably not work... as i said no one can access my httpd or ftpd either [00:42] if you can't receive, the problem is likely on your end [00:42] one thing at a time [00:43] oops, zgrep /proc/config.gz [00:43] ok, i will delete that file [00:43] no no [00:43] rename ONLY [00:43] IceW (n=sartori@icew.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] no need to rm [00:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:43] ok [00:43] restart client [00:44] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [00:44] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] l [00:44] k [00:46] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:46] TwinReverb, well that did not work [00:46] cmair (n=cmair@host189-111-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:46] dchmelik is iptables in use? [00:46] Quiznos, what did you say i should do to find out? [00:46] dchmelik, might be your firewall or the local yahoo server [00:46] lsmod? [00:46] zgrep -i iptable /proc/config.gz (for 2.6 kern) [00:46] i do not see what Yahoo would have to do with anything [00:46] iptables -L [00:46] that'll show you your rulesets [00:47] dchmelik do iptables -L [00:47] it says it is a module [00:47] that's ok; is loaded? [00:47] but nothing is listed in the iptables -L [00:47] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:47] ok [00:47] i do not know [00:47] mentioned in lsmod output? [00:47] lsmod says no [00:47] ok [00:48] modprobe did not find it [00:48] ok [00:48] the module is netfilter [00:49] not found either [00:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] what do you want? to set up iptables or make sure you don't have it running? [00:50] to allow irc and dcc packets through [00:50] either. i am using 64-bit 12-2 based that was non-stable current [00:50] if IRC uses a port maybe i have to enable it [00:51] well, if iptables -L shows no rulesets then there's no firewalling happening at the host [00:51] it must be the router then [00:51] assuming policies aren't set to DROP [00:51] unless the defaults are reject, pastebin the output from iptables -L [00:51] it was blank [00:52] nothing? not even "Chain INPUT ..." lines? [00:52] Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination etc. [00:52] nothing under those lines [00:53] ok, a similar for OUTPUT, FORWARD right? [00:53] y [00:53] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-76-235-38-55.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:53] so if all policies are ACCEPT then no firewalling at the host [00:54] no, i did not set one up... [00:54] but if i understood dcc quiz->dchm works but dchm->quiz doesn't. this might be a quiz problem. [00:54] splain pls? [00:54] i just looked at my router's firewall and everything is unchecked [00:55] Quiz, you might be allowing incoming on the dcc ports for your client [00:55] yes [00:55] *might not be [00:55] no, Bx is properly confd for bidi dcc [00:55] it's the receiever that usually has the problem and need change something [00:55] i had this problem with a friend too... i could not send to him [00:55] Quiz, can other people dcc to you? [00:55] yes [00:55] no probs lately [00:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] ty dive [00:56] well that worked [00:56] yep [00:56] bw.vim [00:57] dchmelik, which client? [00:57] pidgen [00:57] ktos (n=ktos@adfp218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:57] dive what's bw provide? [00:57] pidgin, dive [00:57] its black and white theme if I recall correct [00:57] ok [00:58] mind mushing git is the best album i heard in a long time. [00:58] by whom? [00:58] metamatics. [00:58] I could get you the torrent. [00:58] wait is that a philos thing? [00:58] or music? [00:58] Electronic music. [00:58] interesting word [00:58] url only pls [00:58] i just looked at my router and it says it is acting as a gateway, not router... does that make any difference? [00:59] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:59] dchmelik, what do you have in pidgin network settings for IP? [00:59] i do not think it has any... it is a simple GUI client [00:59] yes look in prefs [00:59] dchmelik: yes, it does. [00:59] prefs -> network [01:00] autodetect IP address, and i think it has the right one [01:00] which is...? [01:00] wait... it is some dhcp IP... i was wrong [01:00] just tell us what? [01:00] 192.168.1.102 [01:00] actually that is right [01:00] tha'ts lan [01:00] it looked wrong for a sec [01:00] ok right that's probably the problem [01:00] ok, if dch->quiz doesn't work then quiz can't connect to dhc's port [01:01] which means that dhc need to have a public ip or a smart natting [01:01] dchmelik, do this: in stunserver put 'stunserver.org' and resart pidign [01:01] what about putting a box in front of lan-router? [01:01] then tell me new IP [01:02] world->honey->router-lan [01:02] i wanted to do that but my parents thought it would take up too much space [01:02] dchmelik, please do what I ask Ä [01:02] bbiam [01:02] you can figer out how to satisfy them [01:02] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [01:02] ktos (n=ktos@adfp218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [01:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:05] How do you flash a new BIOS with out DOS or windows? :/ [01:05] very carefully [01:05] freedos [01:05] lf4, sometimes just download a floppy image [01:05] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] lf4, don't do it unless you are 120% sure you need to. [01:06] yea and study the subject fully [01:06] lf4: systems that support libsmbios can be flashed from within linux. My dell latitude supports that [01:06] !!! [01:07] dive: my issue is the BIOS does not notice the HDD but when I booted to install slackware it saw the drive formated it and installed just fine. [01:07] most dell servers support it too [01:07] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] lf4, sounds like you need a particular kernel module then [01:07] lf4: does the bios have an autodetect feature? [01:08] i put that stunserver.org in [01:08] lf4 linuxbios [01:08] dchmelik, what is new IP? [01:08] is it external now? [01:08] antiwire: Yes I set it to that and it cant find the drive then I did the "detect IDE/PCI" from the bios menu and it found the drive saved the settings and still is not booting to the drive. It worked yesterday. [01:08] now it is my satellite antenna's IP [01:09] like PPP [01:09] which is what? [01:09] 72. something, let me check [01:09] Wait... the BIOS doesn't see the disk, but Linux can? [01:09] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] 71.93.27.3 [01:09] draeath: Yes lol which makes no sense. [01:09] draeath, the sw setup saw the hdd fine [01:09] What size and bus type is the drive? [01:10] draeath, but install doesn't [01:10] thats the same IP as before [01:10] yeah... i think i may have figured out my httpd problem, but i will check [01:10] no it isn't, before was internal 192.168... [01:10] draeath: its a 20GB ATA100 [01:10] lf4: old motherboard? [01:10] dive i refer to his previous dcc to me [01:10] draeath: Yes Asus P2B [01:11] Quiznos, ah right [01:11] ok, likely you need to set the LBA jumper on the drive [01:11] dchmelik, sending you a file. No dialog? [01:11] not yet [01:11] dchmelik, did you install the irc plugin pack? [01:11] lf4: have you tried manually setting the geometry in the BIOS? [01:11] but i did get one from Quiznos earlier [01:11] draeath: lol it has LBA settings in the BIOS blah I didn't think to see if there is a jumpper on the board. [01:11] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] i did not install that lately, but it might have some [01:12] draeath: Yes [01:12] lf4: it's not on the board [01:12] lf4: its in the cluster of pins on the drive that determine masters/slave/cableselect [01:12] draeath: Well I tried it on LBA and Normal [01:12] does he have pata-ide? [01:12] Quiznos: the bios, not linux [01:12] the bios wont boot it [01:12] yea i follow [01:12] but linux boot from other media can use it [01:12] so this has nothing to do with linux [01:12] nods [01:12] and everything to do with his ancient bios [01:12] ok [01:13] i grok old hw :) [01:13] :P [01:13] lf4: try setting the drive to NORMAL and setting the cylinder/heads/sectors in the BIOS manually [01:13] the geometry details should be on the drive's label [01:13] lf4: Have you tried completely resetting the bios yet? pull the power cord, pop out the battery [01:13] dive, i am getting it now [01:13] my bread-and-buddah when i was in pennsy grabbing abandoned hw on the curb [01:13] draeath: see thats what doesn't make sense yesterday it was working fine and I didn't change the jummpers (no LBA setting on the drive). [01:13] oooh... was working before [01:13] dchmelik, a bit slow though [01:14] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:14] yea, pull the CMOS battery and short the bios reset jumper for 30 seconds [01:14] antiwire: Not yet... will do that now. [01:14] I would recommend finding a new battery too [01:14] cmair (n=cmair@host189-111-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:14] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:14] lf4: then, make sure you set the drive jumper back to how it was :P [01:14] dive, my ethernet 'card' is wireless too [01:14] the bootloader may not like that being changed [01:14] if the slackware installer sees it fine, but slackware installed doesn't see it surely it points at (lack of) kernel module? [01:14] draeath: haha ;) will do [01:15] dive: not if the hardware is having trouble seeing it too [01:15] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] lf4: it _could_ be a drive logic board failure too [01:15] dive: no slackware saw it and installed fine its after its installed the computer wont boot to it (BIOS issue/doesnt see it). [01:15] ah well [01:16] lf4: heh you could always install grub on a floppy disk :P [01:16] I once had a computer that didn't boot from disk at all! Just floppy! [01:16] draeath: true :) [01:16] that was a looooong time ago [01:16] draeath: maybe I will do that haha it will be the only system I have with a floppy :D [01:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:16] sounds like the Apple ][s we had at school :) [01:16] PRIME MUNCHER FTW ! [01:17] mmm ][+ [01:17] lf4: if you want to get creative, you could make a microcontroller board that acted like a floppy, but returned grub data instead :P [01:17] loderunner FTW [01:17] draeath: I was looking at starting to learn how to program PIC's so maybe ;) just maybe. [01:17] lf4: got a question for you though. seriously... why is this box so old? your in hardware-failure age now [01:18] Quiznos, i could probably send you files now, but for some reason my router will not let httpd through even though i reconfigured it [01:18] putting something important on that hardware is like playing Russian Roulette [01:18] ok [01:18] draeath: It was a spare machine I had lying around and I wanted to just play with it see if I couldn't get a PXE server running from it. : [01:18] aah [01:19] draeath: Haha oh I don't care if it dies or not its just to play with until it does go out completely. [01:19] nop [01:19] lf4: does it have a cdrom? [01:19] that is far out [01:19] draeath: yep [01:19] you could probably use 'super grub disk' to boot it [01:20] just leave the cd in, set up super grub disk to just boot your first drive... [01:20] or even just use isolinux and do it yourself [01:20] all you need to do is chainload to your disk :P [01:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:21] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [01:22] draeath: lol true [01:22] a friend once told me you cannot access some network hardware unless you use their MAC address [01:23] but i think that was just for ssh [01:23] that might be [01:23] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [01:23] nop; i think it's troo generally [01:23] mac's are uniq globally [01:23] supposed to be [01:23] has there been a neg-report on mac's? [01:23] i've seen a vendor screw up and issue identical MACs before... rare though [01:23] collisson? [01:23] oh [01:24] probably some stop/restart on the line got them confused [01:24] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] the MAC that finally hits the destination from over the internet is not going to be the same MAC that originated the the connection though [01:26] why not? [01:26] the IP's will be the same [01:26] should the mac field be a const while traveling? [01:26] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:26] shouldnt [01:26] mac+IP would be uniq globally even for mac-collisons [01:27] ... [01:28] a physical address collision is different than a collision at layer 3 [01:28] yea but you said that the packet mac field changes, i disagree. [01:28] do you know how NAT works? [01:28] not completely [01:29] does NAT change mac field? [01:29] yes [01:29] a NAT'ing router rewrites the packet and keeps a NAT table [01:30] hello http://slackware.com/Slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ ... The requested URL /Slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ was not found on this server. [01:30] haha this thing is so old it doesnt have a jummper to clear cmos its two small soilder points. [01:30] so any data that leaves a LAN and goes out to the internet will have the whole source secti0on rewritten [01:30] can somone help me please nearest server in philippines [01:30] jigp: try using a mirror [01:31] ive been in taiwan server [01:31] but i dont see .iso of 12.2 [01:31] just folders [01:31] alot of folders [01:31] mirror.slackware.com is not working [01:31] i wonder if i have to enable the IRC port in my router [01:32] ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted [01:32] mirror is up [01:32] slackware.com does not host ISOs [01:32] find a mirror. [01:32] mirror.slackware.com is not working [01:33] its not working [01:33] jigp: http://ftp.cgu.edu.tw/Linux/Slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [01:33] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/ [01:33] lf4 : yup been there lots of folders but no .iso [01:34] ahh wrong [01:34] jigp ftp.heanet.ie, gig pipe in Ireland [01:34] i put mirror in the first [01:34] jigp one of very few that fat [01:34] http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware [01:34] try that one? [01:34] torrents are better ways to go on isos [01:34] mancha: assuming your link doesn't die the moment you use any of your upload [01:35] jigp: http://imagebin.org/58967 [01:35] draeth, eek, change providers [01:35] what's there lf4 [01:35] Quiznos: ? [01:35] the bin [01:35] mancha: fortunatly i dont have the problem. But I used to, and i've seen others have it too. Some people, thats just not an option for them [01:35] i noticed in pidgin an option for 'manually specify range of ports to listen on' [01:35] Quiznos: screenshot of the site proving the files are there. [01:36] maybe it is not listening on my send port [01:36] ok [01:36] dchmelik check them [01:36] set defaults? [01:36] k [01:36] draeath, what caused your problem? i assume you tried throttling too... [01:37] dchmelik ok [01:37] Quiznos : firefox hunged in heanetie [01:37] huh? [01:37] use some dots damnit [01:37] lol [01:37] lol [01:38] clean out your kbd damnit [01:38] .:|:.:|:. Cisco! [01:38] lol [01:38] ...,,,... [01:38] ^^ stands for SOS [01:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] ..|., <-- quasar's method of waving [01:41] lol [01:41] must be deformed; thumg on the right? [01:42] thumb should be on the left. [01:42] rofl [01:42] .,/,, [01:43] lf4: what's that, a broken hand waving? [01:43] fire|bird: me driving passed :P [01:43] haha [01:44] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [01:44] Haha man those two pinouts were so small I could hardly find them again. [01:46] damn, bx's dcc get blocks on IO. [01:47] apparently from my WAN IP address to machine there are more IP addresses than i thought [01:47] you should nmap your lan [01:47] lol [01:47] aka find the cookies [01:47] how would i do that? [01:47] point nmap at each host [01:47] box [01:47] sounds fun, i will now [01:47] or each IP address, right? [01:47] yea [01:49] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [01:49] apparently my WAN address does not have ports open that I enabled on the router... it seems either the antenna or ISP blocks them [01:49] isp's do that; chk locally lan [01:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:50] are IP addresses starting with 10.208.... usually internal? [01:51] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:51] yea, see RFC1918 for proper ranges [01:51] "private ranges" [01:52] new email heard; BoilingPitsOfSewage@yahoo!!! rofl [01:52] publically announced on radio [01:52] coast to coast am show [01:52] rofl [01:53] when you route, does not 255.255.255.255 mean all IP addresses? [01:53] yes [01:53] i will have to try something [02:00] nope, means only one [02:00] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:02] was mancha right? i thought it has something to do with netmask.... [02:03] what are you trying to do with nmap? [02:04] i just looked at all the IP addresses behind my WAN IP address [02:04] but i do not fully understand nmap [02:05] i guess i am trying to figure out why i cannot dcc send or why httpd is inaccessible on my box [02:05] to mount an iso the command is 'mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /dir/' correct? [02:06] lf4: you can usually get away without the -t [02:06] it looks right though [02:06] i usually use: mount -o loop,ro file.iso /mnt/cdrom [02:06] why would you put 'ro' [02:07] humm i'm getting an error when trying to mount the iso [02:07] to force read-only since I often loop mount hard drive images with the same script [02:07] _ohm (n=research@pool-173-65-12-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:07] lf4: what's the error? [02:07] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 [02:08] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:08] does irssi have some notification that something happened in another window, or do most of you who use it put several channels in one screen? [02:08] lf4: is the loop module loaded? [02:08] lf4: just put the '-t' in [02:08] dchmelik: the Act: #,#,#,# is how I know [02:08] so, 'Act #,#,#,#' is something in irssi? [02:09] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] "act" stands for ACTivity and # is the corresponding window number [02:09] dchmelik: right below this line you should see it. [02:09] antiwire: humm don't think so [02:10] lf4: are you using the huge kernel? [02:10] i am in pidgin but have another connection in irssi... i think i saw that... i suppose once bitlbee is 64-bit i will switch back then, that is awesome [02:11] antiwire: I'm at work (on the stupid ubuntu system). [02:11] lf4: try to modprobe loop [02:13] lol i did it gave me a FATAL: Module loop not found. *sigh* I'm learning to really dislike ubuntu more and more as I work here. [02:13] lf4: does this show anything: zgrep LOOP /proc/config.gz [02:13] you're looking for something like this: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y [02:14] antiwire: no such file or directory [02:14] they don't even enable config.gz [02:14] wtf [02:15] lol guess not or it was removed I don't know what they do to this system. [02:15] could i route a router from an antenna to the router's own IP address, or would that cut off the rest of the network? [02:15] dchmelik: does not compute... [02:15] parser error [02:15] oh well... :) thanks for trying antiwire I'll wait. [02:16] i am just thinking of switching the router's mode from 'gateway' to 'router,' but i have to route the router to every LAN address to do that [02:16] lf4: you can try to use losetup [02:16] lf4: something like this: losetup /dev/loop0 file.iso && mount -t iso9660 /dev/loop0 /mnt/iso_mounting_zone [02:16] but i have a feeling you are lacking loop modules anyway [02:17] if they are in /usr/src/linux you can compile them, right? [02:17] i think you would also have to have them in /boot/config [02:18] and they have to be installed in the module path too [02:18] antiwire: device loop0 is busy :P [02:19] ok downloading it now ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [02:19] but i guess changing config would involve starting a new kernel [02:19] lf4: is there something else going on in that system right now that is using loop0? [02:19] try sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop foo.iso /mnt/foo ? [02:19] lol alright jigp :) [02:19] thank you so much guys!! very fast server. i got 2 hours now left :) [02:19] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:20] full path to iso [02:20] Action: quasar rsyncs lf4's sink. [02:20] Rat409: tired that :) [02:20] wow [02:20] that is lame [02:20] (2009-08-09 23:07:39) Rat409 [n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net] entered the room. [02:20] (2009-08-09 23:08:07) lf4: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 [02:20] should be default in any distro [02:21] antiwire: Nothing should be using loop I just have firefox running [02:21] antiwire: sorry 2am'ish here [02:21] multitasking = fail :( [02:21] Rat409: apparently not in ubuntu piece of ****** [02:22] indeed [02:22] lf4: what does mount show you? [02:22] if something is mounted to loop0 mount should show it [02:23] hello can slackware a good firewall for 15 workstations? squid+squidguard+traffic shaper? [02:23] You can use 'losetup -d /dev/loop0' to detach it [02:23] jigp: sure why not [02:23] antiwire: http://pastebin.com/m11179f4f [02:24] antiwire: only if its actually mounted... [02:25] antiwire: if losetup was used to set the loopback point, but it wasn't mounted, mount wouldn't show it [02:25] draeath: ....which is why we are checking if something elseit... [02:26] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "had a few beers, built a firewall... ihave earned some rest :)" [02:26] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.33) joined ##slackware. [02:27] does /dev/loop0 exist for you? [02:28] I've never really used an Ubuntu system so I don't know what they have going on with their setups [02:29] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:29] antiwire: yes lol [02:29] i have figured out something... i cannot access httpd on my WAN address but I can on my antenna address... so how do I route the WAN to the antenna better...? or is that something only my ISP does? [02:30] dchmelik: Draw us a diagram with ip address labels and we might understand what in the world you're talking about [02:31] dchmelik: what is your "antenna address"? [02:31] 71.93.27.3 <--> antenna (10.98.210.*) <--> router <--> the Slackware box I am writing from [02:31] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-d54f0e300a1ea45e) joined ##slackware. [02:32] _jhw_ (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [02:32] it ends in '97' but connects to the router as a gateway which ends in '1' [02:32] i do not really know why the antenna needs all those numbers [02:32] dchmelik: more than likely your ISP filters port 80 .. most do unless you have a buisness account (here in the states anyway, not sure about overseas) [02:32] so the antenna is between your router and the Dmark? [02:32] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:33] yes, but i do not know what you mean by Dmark [02:33] are you in control the of the 71.93.27.3 device? [02:33] probably not... it must be at the satellite tower [02:33] are you in control of the "antenna-which-has-an-ip" mystery device? [02:33] yes [02:34] sort of [02:34] i do not know if i can login to it but i have physical access [02:34] are you in control of the router in that diagram? [02:34] yes [02:34] completely [02:34] this seems connected to with why i could not DCC send people files [02:35] dchmelik: if you go to whatismyip.com, your IP is in the 71 range up there? [02:35] it is that one starting with 71 that i mentioned i think [02:35] ok [02:35] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] yeah, it is [02:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] antenna-wich-has-an-ip could be router :) one of kinda wireless routers in logical path [02:36] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [02:36] it is a bridge [02:36] my guess is that you are on a private network that connects everyone with an antenna to the main tower and the main tower is nating [02:36] i've been in project where those are a lot just running mikrotik [02:37] i did NAT on a DSL modem i have, but i do not know what NAT means in the context of a tower [02:37] but i guess my ISP just filters a lot of ports [02:37] 10.98.210.* is private [02:37] yeah [02:37] except the antenna has more than one number within it [02:37] so you have your own NAT LAN which is connected to the ISPs private network that connects to the main trunk thing [02:37] you could just call and ask if they would want to open some for you :) [02:38] dchmelik: just for side knowledge dmark = Demarcation point [02:38] yeah, antiwire [02:38] dchmelik: is this a satellite link? [02:39] it is like ISP <-> satellite <-> tower <-> antenna <-> my other stuff [02:39] In that case I'm willing to put money down that they disable a lot of the commonly used service ports [02:39] i will have to give them a call then [02:39] you should get more information about that antenna device too [02:40] if it can bridge for you instead of route you'd be better off [02:40] it is doing that... maybe i will go out with a flashlight right now... or does it not matter now? [02:40] which addresses does your router get? the router you control [02:41] it has a LAN side and a WAN side [02:41] at least that is what they told me, but then i do not know why it goes 71.93.27.3 <-> 10.98.210.97 <-> 10.98.210.1 <-> router [02:41] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:41] having 2 numbers does not seem like a bridge, but i know nothing about bridges [02:42] and just for clarification, the 71.93.27.3 is not held by the antenna, right? [02:42] damn opera is NOT running rightly [02:42] i seriously doubt it, it is sort of like PPP would be and must be at the tower or even in the satellite [02:43] dchmelik: is 10.98.210.1 the router's wan address? [02:43] that is my internal gateway for the LAN from the antenna [02:43] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.162.179) left irc: "leaving" [02:43] my router has a different number [02:43] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [02:44] on the router's wan, is the address in the 10.98.210.* subnet? [02:44] hello [02:44] darkmaze (n=patrick@c-24-10-210-55.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] the antenna has like both of those two 10.98.210.* numbers i mentioned which would be WAN to the router... 10.98.210.1 is what my router connects to but it has its own separate IP address for doing DHCP [02:45] is "Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE" compatible with Slackware 12.2? [02:45] what does the router get for an address then? [02:45] actually my router is the 192.168.1.* kind [02:46] then what is your LAN subnet? [02:46] 100 - 25? [02:46] ? [02:46] this makes no sense [02:46] wait ... 100 - 150 [02:46] your router has two interfaces [02:46] lf4: what `lsof /dev/loop0` outputs? [02:46] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [02:46] in my previous statement i meant 100 - 25_ using '?' for '_' [02:47] but it only has 50 DHCP leases [02:47] one of the router's interrfaces is for the LAN 192.168.1.* [02:47] what is the other IP of the router? [02:47] 192.168.1.1 [02:47] 192.168.1.1 is the LAN side [02:47] i think i could reset it too [02:47] so what is the other interface address? [02:48] gateway in antenna: 10.98.210.1 [02:48] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89B5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:48] i do not think the router really has another interface [02:48] what is this thing you are calling a router? [02:48] morning [02:48] a Linksys [02:48] Action: quasar throws slackytude out the window [02:49] so when you log into the linksys router what is its wan ip? [02:49] wait i got one of the numbers wrong... that was 10.208.210, not 10.98.*, right? [02:49] you mean how the router connects to the antenna? [02:49] anyone who can recomend a soundcard for slackware? [02:49] a router has at least two subnets [02:49] I understand your LAN is 192.168.1.0/24 [02:50] what is the other interface on the router? [02:50] the router is 192.168.1.1 [02:50] ok... it looks like it gets its own WAN IP as the antenna IP [02:50] .... [02:50] finally [02:50] a router with just one subnet would be kinda pintless [02:50] what would you need to route [02:50] slackytude: my thoughts exactly. [02:50] would be pointless too besides being pintless [02:51] darkmaze (n=patrick@c-24-10-210-55.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:51] antiwire, i thought that was sort of clear, though i am not sure what the gateway is for in the antenna [02:51] danm, afterstep acts really strange; left-clicked menu boucnes then disappears [02:51] It wasn't clear because i asked a bunch of times what the wan and the lan subnets were on the *router* so I can try to figure out what that antenna is doing [02:53] i thought diagrams (even in a straight line) show what would relatively be WAN and LAN, but i was not clear sometimes.... [02:53] slackboy, not only would it be pointless, it wouldn't even be a router anymore. [02:54] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [02:55] . [02:56] so really it looks like this: [INTERNETIP-71.93.27.3]--[10.98.210.97-antenna-10.98.210.1]---[WAN x.x.x.x-router-LAN192.168.1.1] [02:56] Nick change: icarus_ -> icarus_ASLEEP [02:56] and in the x.x.x.x is 10.98.210.a number between 1 and 254 [02:57] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Hello! [02:57] that's more fscked up than anything even charter did [02:57] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-27.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] the router has access to both 10.98.210.97 and 1 [02:57] you said .1 was the router's gateway [02:58] my ISP programmed those into the router, so it is the only way i found them... they told me almost nothing about the antenna [02:58] so the router itself is .97 [02:58] i think i have a serious prob with xorg and i cant figure it out. [02:58] yeah [02:58] so then the antenna is .1 and the router is .97 [02:58] Nick change: icarus_ASLEEP -> icarus_ASLEEP_lu [02:58] ok i get it [02:58] Nick change: icarus_ASLEEP_lu -> icarus_ [02:59] i've tried several wm's that are installed and in all of them, the mouse clicks are bouncing so that the wm menus appear and disappear immediately with no chance of me clicking on a menu element [02:59] i gone get it; never seen this before [02:59] i dont * [02:59] this is funny, the 10.98.210.97 allows httpd connections but not ftpd [02:59] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [02:59] not that my ISP probably allows ftpd either [03:00] [INTERNETIP-71.93.27.3]<-->[Antenna-10.98.210.1]---[10.98.210.97<-WAN-LinksysRouter-LAN->192.168.1.1] [03:00] that makes more sense [03:00] yeah, though in that case i am not sure what the point of the antenna gateway is [03:00] that's how they connect "local" nodes to the trunk [03:01] Quiznos: nifty [03:01] it's a private LAN [03:01] slackytude any idears? [03:01] Quiznos: hell no [03:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.33) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:01] Quiznos: I just like the error [03:01] dchmelik: You can call them and see if they will poke holes and route the traffic for you but I highly doubt they'd do that unless you pay more [03:01] Quiznos: Id probably try and fiddle with xorg, tho [03:01] especially because it's a wireless link to the tower [03:01] yeah... [03:01] ok [03:02] dchmelik: what you have going there is pretty much how any wireless ISP works [03:02] note; i don't mean CDMA/3G though [03:02] my ISP in the town i go to school in even helped me set up NAT, but the ISP here does not seem as helpful [03:02] unless maybe i ask them specific questions [03:03] rworkman: that link you sent, has nothing to do with my question [03:03] CDMA/3G? [03:03] slackytude well rm'd "6 7" [03:03] uh [03:03] and? [03:03] dchmelik: cellular broadband cards usually give the user an internet live IP directly, they don't normally NAT you [03:04] oh, that is neat [03:04] i bet they cost a lot though [03:04] slackytude the bounce appears to be gone [03:04] in the case of local wireless ISPs, they usually just build a wireless LAN for the customers and then NAT [03:04] \o/ [03:04] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.221) joined ##slackware. [03:04] but afterStep's menu elements dont appear. chg wm. [03:05] antiwire isnt a direct IP ppp? [03:05] Quiznos: you're out of your element [03:05] i think it could be PPP or SLIP, but i never used SLIP [03:05] then teach me oh arrogant master of bits [03:05] dchmelik: the other day i came in here while I was at a barnes and noble. that particular setup gave me an internet live IP but filtered all outgoing [03:06] I started apache and could see attempts but nothing would return out [03:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] that must be what is happening with my DCC port... my ISP probably filtered everything but w3, email, and stupid stuff [03:06] dchmelik: you can test that [03:07] luckily they allow nntp [03:07] try to tunnel out on an allowed port [03:07] ssh tunneling ftw! [03:07] i would but i messed up the password on a shell account i have so i have nowhere to tunnel to [03:07] or maybe you mean something else [03:07] clam or antivir? whats best? [03:08] dchmelik: if you can ssh out to a VPS you can do some trickery to forward traffic into your house [03:08] openvpn could even connect you directly to your home subnet [03:08] hehe... is that 'virtual private site,' or what? [03:08] yeah VPN [03:08] ssh can do poorman's VPN [03:09] but openvpn does it much nicer [03:09] that stuff is cool [03:09] like dyndns, i suppose [03:09] dchmelik: virtual private network [03:09] i use dyndns so my dynamic house connection always can be hit by a name [03:10] my router runs a dyndns client [03:10] i have used it at school and am trying to here [03:10] so does mine [03:10] do you have a web page up or anything on it? [03:10] sometimes [03:10] i use it mostly for VPN access to my house [03:11] hmm, this sub-thread gives me an idear to setup a box at my mother's house for me while i'm at skool [03:11] would have to guarantee that it auto-boots into something usable tho [03:11] that is what i did at school... and then my ISP gave some silly 'plug-n-play' type modem or one they administer [03:12] I keep the VPN access available so I can use public hotspots and not worry about arrogant assholes like myself sniffing my IRCz0rz [03:12] setup a proxy maybe in her garage for me [03:12] Quiznos: you wouldn't even need to setup a proxy, just need SSH [03:12] many garages are not insulated [03:13] ahh crap, cable is out [03:13] ok [03:13] :( [03:13] dchmelik fla. here [03:13] water and hurricanes are more of a prob [03:13] but i could setup inside [03:13] i think [03:14] but she's reticent to let me touch her hw [03:14] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:14] thinks i'll blow it up [03:14] thinks i'm a black hatted cracker [03:14] lol [03:15] "ssh -D127.0.0.1:7777 sshserverhere" will let you aim any socks5 proxy capable program at 127.0.0.1 on port 7777 and securely send all traffic down the ssh tunnel to your home and out to the internet from your home line [03:15] essentially making it impossible for anyone to see the content [03:15] oty [03:15] -o [03:15] any advice on what soundcard i can use with slackware? [03:16] what version of Slackware? [03:16] 12.2 [03:16] nimrod: anything emu10k will work [03:16] PCI sound cards [03:16] emu10k, intel hda, etc :) [03:16] or maybe some PCI-e, PCI-x, etc. [03:16] or some USB sound thingies [03:16] ok, soundblaster xfi wouldnt work on mine [03:17] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-129-27.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:17] nimrod, with the default kernel or one you made? [03:18] default kernel [03:18] nimrod are you sure? -> http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html [03:18] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) joined ##slackware. [03:20] man [03:20] monday mornings suck [03:20] someone do something funny [03:20] !beer to slackytude [03:22] that is weird there is no /etc/rc.d/rc.ftpd [03:22] though i know 2 ftpds are included [03:22] dchmelik: yes [03:22] they are started by inetd tho [03:22] and are commented by default [03:22] oh, ok, so i have to edit rc.inet1 or something.... [03:23] Action: slackerbaby o/ waves to all slackers [03:23] nope, /etc/inetd.conf [03:23] oh, ok [03:23] Action: slackytude waves back at slackerbaby [03:23] yo slackytude guess who am i ? [03:24] a shellium bot [03:24] mommy? [03:24] omg! [03:24] BAN IT [03:24] slackytude: yes my dear [03:24] Nick change: slackerbaby -> init[1] [03:24] Action: slackytude slaps init[1] [03:24] antiwire: :/ [03:25] oh it's init[1], yeah *really* ban it now [03:25] lol [03:25] o_O [03:25] antiwire: ++ :D [03:25] antiwire: is your gmail ssl certificate issue resolved ? [03:25] yo fire|bird [03:25] hi init[1] [03:25] i never had a gmail cert issue because I never use gmail over http... [03:25] y0 slackytude, how goes? [03:26] aah i thinks acidchild [03:26] init[1]: that was someone else, not antiwire. [03:26] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [03:26] s/thinks/think/ [03:26] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:26] init[1]: Are you sure you're not thinking about yourself because you were talking about gmail issues yesterday. :P [03:26] y0 fire|bird, Im doing good for a monday morning. how are you? [03:26] btw, speaking about ssh tunnels...this is about the most diabolic thin ever: ssh -R 19999:localhost:22 user@HOME_IP [03:26] slackytude: doing excellent, thanks. [03:27] fire|bird: i will proove my statement. :) [03:27] then from your home you can ssh back down that into the the box behind the firewall ;) [03:27] init[1]: it was acidchild, its on noobfarm [03:28] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1633 [03:28] slackytude: yes, indeed, i was about to paste that link [03:28] s/i/it/ [03:28] I know coz I put it there :D [03:28] aa, [03:28] antiwire: reverse ssh FTW! [03:28] slackytude: lol [03:29] antiwire: seriously, gotta love ssh [03:29] slackytude: you go planting secret wall socket boxes [03:29] then cron a few special things [03:29] fire|bird: aa, there i prooved it :P [03:29] antiwire: how do you know -_- [03:29] lol [03:29] you know too much already [03:30] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [03:30] init[1]: I never said you were wrong. :) [03:31] fire|bird: >>-(-_-)-> [03:32] heh [03:32] that newest noobfarm quote is hilarious [03:32] Desmirrel_ (n=desmirre@82-46-78-218.cable.ubr06.stav.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [03:32] Desmirrel_ (n=desmirre@213.249.205.114) joined ##slackware. [03:34] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [03:34] antiwire: my all time hit is this http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=292 [03:35] just can't stop laughing after reading that , [03:35] lol [03:36] lol, nice [03:37] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-43-82-249-136-112.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] well alienBOB does have a light side , :) [03:37] antiwire: nice: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1598 [03:37] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] this is my favorite [03:38] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=267 [03:39] lol [03:39] what do you think the best cheap/free shell hosts are? freeshell.org? [03:39] hi people [03:40] hi [03:40] best free host/shell for me is about 2ft -> that way [03:41] http://www.aeshells.com/ [03:41] i meant one that you do not have to worry about being down if you move house or something [03:41] runs on slackware, has a freenode channel [03:41] cool [03:42] dchmelik: shellium would be just fine, #shellium [03:43] well opera cant download [03:43] dchmelik: in fact im talking right now, with a bouncer running on shellium,:) [03:43] Quiznos: you + opera = fail. :D [03:43] yep [03:44] Action: init[1] fire|bird is an Opera geek [03:44] <3 opera [03:44] slackytude is too. :D [03:44] Action: slackytude nods [03:44] fire|bird: i found a new name for you [03:44] opera|bird / opera|geek [03:45] slackytude: new snapshot this past Friday and they want Opera Unite pushed to it's limits to test. [03:45] oh [03:45] I guess I could put up some unite service [03:45] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@64.208.214.225) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:45] init[1]: opera|bird is quite fitting actually since Opera 10 (yet to be released) is codenamed Peregrine (as in, peregrine falcon) :P [03:45] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@64.208.214.225) joined ##slackware. [03:46] fire|bird: yea finally don't say Opera is spying on you :P [03:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDTSQtK20c [03:47] slackytude: Even the photo sharing stuff can be set for Limited (password protected) or Private (ONLY people you give a certain link to can see). Also, it has settings to not be visible to other My Opera users and not be indexed by search engines. [03:47] Action: init[1] downloading last samurai sound track [03:47] init[1]: illegally? :P [03:47] fire|bird: that was the case with older nspshots as well [03:47] yeah [03:48] that's good though. [03:48] oops, [03:48] Action: fire|bird turns init[1] in to the authorities. [03:48] fire|bird: its on torrent, [03:48] What's RIAA's #? :P [03:48] be a government informant. betray you family and friends. fabulous prizes to be won! [03:49] lol, [03:49] fire|bird: that soundtrack ain't available here [03:49] vote fascist for another glorious decade of total law enforcment [03:49] slackytude: yeah, but this is just init[1], so eh, who cares right? :P [03:49] heh [03:49] Action: nix_chix0r dances [03:49] fire|bird: more over DRM , make every one pirate [03:49] y0 nix_chix0r [03:49] y0 nix_chix0r, how are you? [03:50] and why are you dancing? [03:50] lifealert commercials pwn [03:50] baby is sleeping! relax time [03:50] nix_chix0r: you're getting life alert? "Help, I've fallen....and I can't get up." [03:50] "No senior citizen should be with out life alert." [03:50] s/with out/without/ [03:51] fire|bird, i should totally get it [03:51] see how fast it takes to get an ambulance here [03:51] nix_chix0r: yeah, no doubt. "Yes, you'd like life alert, and....how old are you again?" [03:52] uhh 92? :P [03:52] nix_chix0r: this is for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us90UE_rXhM [03:52] nix_chix0r: haha, you're looking good for 92. :P [03:52] no walker or anything, plus you had a baby recently. [03:53] it's the fish oil and hummus [03:53] and living in the middle of nowhere. :P [03:54] jigp (n=jigp@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: "Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" [03:57] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [03:57] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:59] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [04:00] bigtfishbone (n=bigtfish@0x57305c62.abnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:01] I think I might have fractured a bone in my foot today [04:01] thats bad [04:01] it's not super bad but it's certainly got good [04:01] been stomping too many midgets? [04:01] it was a whole family of baby seals this time [04:02] i get em all though [04:02] hi guys i've used the last hour figuring out how to install yakuake.. and it seems like im not getting anywhere. so i was thinking that some1 of you can tell me where do i get the knowlage/ find a man to install yakuake [04:03] bigtfishbone: on 12.2? [04:04] O.o ? ( i'm newbee) [04:04] are you even running slackware? [04:04] slackbuild [04:04] yep [04:04] what version? [04:04] bigtfishbone: What version of slackware did you install? [04:04] 4.... [04:04] O.O [04:04] oh KDE 4 [04:04] lol [04:04] That's not 12.2 then. you installed slackware current? [04:04] ^^please do not post me on noobfarm [04:05] cat /etc/slackware-version [04:05] macavity installed it [04:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) joined ##slackware. [04:05] you know macavity in person? [04:05] yep [04:05] good lord. [04:05] what [04:05] ? [04:05] how do you deal with him in person? [04:06] in here we just throw fish at him [04:06] lol [04:06] lol [04:06] but in person...dang. [04:06] -_- [04:06] Well, I gotta get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:06] gn [04:06] thx [04:06] fire|bird: later [04:06] :) [04:06] gn [04:06] bigtfishbone: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/yakuake/ [04:07] antiwire: I didn't get that networking switch stuff working, but I think I may have got it working another way, I'll test tomorrow. [04:07] step 1: download this: http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/system/yakuake.tar.gz [04:07] later init[1] [04:07] thx antiwire [04:07] night Quiznos [04:07] lol how do ui copy paste ? [04:07] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.199.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:08] i* [04:08] step 2: extract that tarball and cd into the new directory: tar xvf yakuake.tar.gz && cd yahuake [04:08] Action: fire|bird fires up noobfarm. :D [04:08] NOOOO [04:08] =D [04:08] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [04:08] step 3: download the sources into the directory that you are in now: wget http://download.berlios.de/yakuake/yakuake-2.8.1.tar.bz2 [04:09] step 4: chmod +x yakuake.SlackBuild [04:09] then execute yakuake.SlackBuild [04:09] step 5: make sure you re root b4 install from /tmp/yaku..tgz [04:10] s/5/6/ [04:10] :D [04:10] ok im in deep shit.. i diden't start x so im going to have to copy alot... how do i copy in here ? [04:10] antiwire (to Anyone) write a Makefile that does all that crap you just wrote to bigtfishbone [04:10] no [04:10] yes! [04:10] you can automate that yourself [04:10] Anyone should [04:11] Quiznos: Don't you think it makes sense that they understand what the process is before they automate it? Doing it manually allows the person to learn. [04:11] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [04:11] yay id like that [04:11] the hard parts are already done in the slackbuild, for crying out loud [04:12] antiwire it's not for them; it's for us who practice laze [04:12] /etc/suauth is gone? [04:12] bigtfishbone, hilight link with mouse, switch to another console (alt-left/right), type 'wget ' middle click, enter [04:12] and beside that, I sure as hell wouldn't you a Makefile [04:13] use* [04:13] dive i haven't started x so alt-l/r does not open another console [04:13] bigtfishbone, it should [04:13] yay [04:13] can't you run shell command from irssi ? [04:13] like echo [04:13] :) [04:15] bigtfishbone: check out sbopkg.org as well, its a nice frontend for slackbuilds.org [04:15] ima go with those steps that antiwire gave me-.... [04:16] sure [04:16] slackytude, if you could choose between 4th laptop or a tv for the bedroom what would you choose [04:16] nix_chix0r: laptop [04:16] Action: slackytude dislikes tv [04:16] I'd sell 2 other laptops though wtf [04:16] 1 backup and one day to day [04:17] then you could buy a new tv too [04:17] well i won a laptop at work and the battery isn't stock so it's ultra bulky and heavy [04:18] I bought the extended battery pack for my laptop too [04:18] my change jar probally has close to 800bucks in it [04:18] it's wicked [04:18] nice chix [04:18] nix_chix0r: is offering to buy you a laptop slackytude ;) [04:18] New mailserxer has been in place 16 hours..... and has already rejected 14,000 emails! woooo [04:18] real world, i bet about 2 hours [04:18] i want a new thinkpad [04:18] i want an original vw super beetle [04:18] nix_chix0r: Which one do you have your eye on? [04:19] none at the momment seen a few at best buy, i just need the chewed up clit mouse [04:19] Zordrak: y0. webserver from the zimbra suite? [04:19] there goes the channel's G-rating [04:19] haha [04:20] Quiznos: was it ever G rated? [04:20] another thing i don't like about the laptop i won at work is the touchpad is not sensitive at all you have to force it, and that makes me sad [04:20] iduno; whatever it was, it'll never be G again what with nix_chix0r's potty mouth! :) bahaha [04:20] nix_chix0r: ewww I know those types [04:21] haha Quiznos [04:21] Action: Quiznos bows [04:21] jam your fingers trying to manuever the mouse [04:21] ^ not suggestive in any way. [04:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] i refuse to buy a mouse for it because that defeats the whole point of mobility and it being a laptop [04:22] nix_chix0r you kiss your mommy with that potty mouth LOL :) [04:22] nix_chix0r: that is true unless you have a docking station :D [04:22] so it sits in the babies room connected to the music server playing mozart lul [04:22] has openbsd on it right now [04:22] nix_chix0r: haha nice [04:23] he needs snoop dogg to get to sleep and some classical music to stay asleep [04:24] heh [04:24] lol [04:24] snoop dog [04:24] drop it like its hot [04:24] "baby's got back" ever work? [04:24] like on Friends? [04:24] Action: lf4 runs because soon slackytude will start dancing. [04:24] he packs more than a glock in his diaper some days:\ [04:24] lol [04:24] lol [04:24] gangstah! [04:24] go on open mic night nix_chix0r [04:24] hey i can rap fosho [04:25] mommy-baby humor is always a hit [04:25] i recall _The Mommies_ comedy team, late 80s [04:25] highlarious [04:26] at that state right now that i probally could sleep within 45minutes if i really concentrated but i'm not entirely confident [04:26] forcing myself to sleep on the couch tonight so i don't over sleep going to try to go to the gym before work instead of at 1am when i'm done [04:26] lol I could sleep in 15 mins if I just went to bed. [04:26] im sleeping right now [04:27] gn [04:27] really tewmten lol [04:27] yeah [04:27] sleep-chatting [04:27] I need to learn that skill [04:27] but that would get me banned most likely. [04:27] practice, there's no other way [04:27] the way i've been drinking coke zero or diet coke which ever i consume way more than i did prior. and i was thinking man if i drank as much regular soda i'd be a lardass [04:27] tewmten: are you serious o_O [04:28] fathertime666 (n=computer@c-98-200-129-254.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Anyone awake? [04:28] ##slackware = 127.0.0.1 :D [04:28] oh no it's ripvanwinkle [04:28] :O [04:28] fathertime666: slackytude should be lol [04:28] whut? [04:28] sudo pack nix_chix0r a bowl [04:28] >.> [04:28] slackytude: you at work? [04:29] Action: slackytude nods [04:29] that doesn't work [04:29] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.15) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:29] I sad, I at work [04:29] me sad panda me so sad [04:29] I might get a real job this week [04:29] haha antiwire [04:29] at a commercial VoIP provider [04:29] i got one last question, i got a console with you guys and a console with antiwires steps... how do i save the stepconsole. so that i can read it when i startup x ?..... [04:29] we'll see [04:29] antiwire: wow, congrats [04:29] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [04:29] antiwire, they raised the price on formula bastidds [04:29] 137bucks for 9cans [04:29] bigtfishbone: open another one? [04:30] I don't know nuthin' about birthing no babies [04:30] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) left irc: Client Quit [04:30] I'm attempting to compare Arch Linux and Slackware :/ [04:30] antiwire: huh? [04:30] antiwire, i quit going to wic, and they change the formula can sizes and jack the prices up [04:30] fathertime666: so why did you come in here? [04:30] I was hoping to get some pointers >.> [04:30] nah [04:31] init[1]: ... :P [04:31] i actually never used arch linux i was pressured but did not give in [04:31] fathertime666: my pointer... use slackware only all other distors are messed up. [04:31] fathertime666: /topic have enough pointers [04:31] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: "leaving" [04:31] slackytude: i want to read what is written in my console after i started x [04:31] bigtfishbone: why not save the steps to a file? ;) ;) ;) [04:31] bigtfishbone: check you ~/bash_history [04:31] howto ? [04:32] how can one person have a tb of movies and nothing to watch:)) [04:32] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [04:32] bigtfishbone hasn't you heard of text editors where you can save stuff etc? [04:32] i have failed myself [04:32] watching a rugdoctor infomercial [04:32] nix_chix0r: the same as someone that has a netflix account and cant find something to watch. [04:32] its the same as cable tv [04:32] yeah but im not familiar with tekst editors in a console [04:32] 800 channels and nothing to watch.. [04:33] you could also start a screen session [04:33] bigtfishbone: init[1] said a good thing when you log in to X just check your ~/.bash_history [04:33] got to watch to catch a predator well the last 15minutes of it. mild entertainment [04:33] bigtfishbone: *nano* is particularly made for you [04:33] lol [04:33] doctor calling his wife to pay his 30k bail for trying to shack up with a 13 year old [04:33] *nano* ? [04:34] nano editor bigtfishbone [04:34] a manual ? [04:34] omg [04:34] just punch in nano [04:34] nano [04:34] bigtfishbone: nano is like notepad [04:34] is every girl crazy about a sharp dressed man? [04:34] ... [04:34] antiwire: you mean tight fitting dress ? [04:34] antiwire: lol I have two friends that arent [04:34] zztop [04:35] antiwire: no, they like the nerdy, unshaven fat asses [04:35] ill just check ~/.bash_history [04:35] i think i bought the best of zztop at a gas station [04:35] slackytude: yay there is hope for you and I :) [04:35] bigtfishbone: good choice [04:35] slackytude: hahaha [04:36] :D [04:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_Dressed_Man , aaa I'm such a noob [04:36] as i told the hubby before if some one came around that made more money.. i might wander [04:36] nix_chix0r: how much does he make ;) [04:36] he's cool with it [04:37] haha [04:37] 46k [04:37] bigtfishbone (n=bigtfish@0x57305c62.abnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "leaving" [04:37] thats in $? [04:37] Action: slackytude calculates [04:37] slackytude: no ZWD [04:37] course he just got a raise, i have 6months to go before my raise [04:38] nix_chix0r: nice :) raises are always good lol [04:38] wonder what the christmas bonus will be this year [04:38] shit having a kid on taxes will be good for money back haha [04:38] santa doing a strip tease (following slackytude's comment) [04:39] just curious, to know about you guys, *How many of you here are employed ?* [04:39] think you get about 1800 back for poopin out a baby [04:39] init[1]: not me :D [04:39] nix_chix0r: You'll need it too [04:39] well i'm a student, [04:39] i'll need to save up for the move to illinois [04:39] init[1]: so am I lol but I was joking I also work. [04:40] want at least 7months of pay before i move and a job lined up with SSA [04:40] Action: init[1] plans to take survey of slackers, [04:40] o_leo_o1 (n=leo@116.233.207.116) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Action: antiwire plans to use proxies to throw the survey [04:40] o_leo_o1 (n=leo@116.233.207.116) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:40] o_leo_o1 (n=leo@116.233.207.116) joined ##slackware. [04:41] wow, i just recieved my *Linux for you* Magazine , [04:41] it would be so nice to have somewhat of a say in the people who feel they can't work but really are capable to not get disability checks [04:41] that's why i want to be a DDS Examiner [04:41] slackytude: heyll no [04:41] screw zimbra [04:41] Horde ftw [04:41] lol nix_chix0r [04:41] ooh this time they shipped centos :/ [04:41] Zordrak: ah, sorry I meant horde [04:41] init[1]: whats wrong with centos? lol [04:42] he could have just downloaded that [04:42] lf4, right now i work for a company that helps people get their disabilities but i want to move up [04:42] slackytude: funk. Just funk :) [04:42] nano [04:42] lf4: nothing wrong, i hate rpms [04:43] nix_chix0r: good luck :) [04:43] Zordrak: so, after a wekk or so, horde runs? [04:43] rpm such a linux nany , [04:43] init[1]: I see, I never really got to mess around with RPM's. [04:43] yeah thanks, and my parents are getting their final orders to illinois so they would be 7hrs from me but eventually i will want to move closer so they can be by their only grandkid [04:44] 10 years overseas it's time to come home [04:44] nix_chix0r: you mean "free baby sitting for you" ;) [04:44] yea that ;) [04:44] slackytude: horde always ran.. i was just preparing it for the migration which was at the weekend [04:44] all seems well this morning [04:44] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: "leaving" [04:44] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [04:44] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [04:45] it's all fine and well until the printer catches fire [04:45] lf4, i am pretty bad about dumping him off on friends and family as much as i can for my sanity's sake. at least i will know he wont have detachment issues beceause, we still chill [04:45] Action: lf4 doesnt understand how dban can have 1hr left when its on run 7 of 7 at 73%? lol [04:45] that and he's around many different people on a daily basis [04:45] nix_chix0r: lol good to hear :) [04:45] nix_chix0r: how sweet :) [04:45] whores, drug lords, pimps [04:46] antiwire: you called? [04:46] good, wholesome people [04:46] we don't have pimps here that's more south of the cities [04:46] my rsync-slack-current has been going almost four to eight hours on one source xz... it should not be doing that, right? [04:46] Action: init[1] afk,back to work [04:46] whores, methusers combination of both [04:46] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.74) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Action: lf4 is going to bed... I have work in 20 hours. [04:48] lol [04:48] 20 hours? [04:48] 23:00 Monday ;) [04:48] the loudest train i have ever heard go by just did so [04:48] there had to have been something wrong with it [04:49] antiwire: the back left wheel was a little squeeky. [04:49] I don't normally even notice the train [04:49] this one was brutally loud [04:50] hey is it a bad thing to take a girl on a date to a shooting range?> [04:50] I'd be stoked but that's me [04:50] lf4: ah, right, you the nightshift guy [04:50] lf4: keep forgetting it [04:51] antiwire: depends on the girl [04:51] one girl i took hiking and she passed out from over exertion. one girl i took to the desert and she passed out from heat [04:51] slackytude: yep its messed up my life haha [04:51] these dates don't ever go so well [04:51] lol [04:52] well, if they are passed out, they cant say no [04:52] haha [04:52] but then i'm thinking 'damn, is this a medivac situation' [04:53] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:54] antiwire: depends - does she shoot better than you? [04:54] alisonken1noc: not if i load the magnum rounds for her only [04:55] hah [04:55] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:57] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.128.192) joined ##slackware. [04:57] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [04:58] hey antiwire whats a good option for antivirus on linux? [04:58] Family_guy: what are you trying to do? the only a/v needed on linux is the one's that filter mail going to an ms box [04:58] hello [04:58] nimrod: olah [04:59] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.115) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:59] alisonken1noc: also scan win32 binaries [04:59] clamac [04:59] clamav [04:59] installed slackware 12.2 wohoo. Only thing thats missing is sound [04:59] wsa going to say I've heard of clamav but not clamac :) [05:00] my mistake :) [05:00] nimrod: missing how? [05:00] well, in a few weeks/month slackware 13.0 will be out. it's already at rc2 status [05:00] nimrod: #alsaconf [05:00] To whom shall I write to include a package in slackware? [05:00] i alsaconf doesn't find my card [05:00] shik4nt4z4: got to slackbuilds.org and make it yourself [05:01] nimrod: thats bad, what card? [05:01] nimrod, what is your sound card [05:01] slackytude: :-) [05:01] soundblaster xfi extreme gamer [05:02] slackytude: Where are kept the log files for cmake? [05:02] reverse engineer on it [05:02] slackytude: Sorry, make. [05:03] nimrod: looks bad [05:04] shik4nt4z4: dunno offhand, not on slack. but usually where you call make, Id say [05:04] yes. i think i'm going to install a antic card instead [05:04] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [05:04] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:05] slackytude: Thanks! [05:05] nimrod, as I wrote today earlier - you should compile module for yourself from source foounded here: http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html [05:05] I use clamav only ofr scanning windows shares that are served from a linux samba server and for scanning offline windows hard drives. [05:05] agris. yes, i will try more from that webside.. thanks [05:06] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:06] cause I was checking slackwiki and seems people there dont use/like clamav [05:06] I dont know [05:06] I have a problem installing Kicad but I don't know how to get the logs from make. Where can I find that? In the install dir is no make log file. [05:07] doesn't it log to /dev/null? :) [05:07] make > output.log maybe helps [05:08] agris: Yes, I have tried that but it outputs just 2 lines of the log. [05:08] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [05:08] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:10] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [05:11] try 2>&1 [05:12] antiwire: What means 2>&1? [05:12] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [05:12] for logging [05:13] shik4nt4z4: 1 is stdout, 2 is stderr - so the output of a script or program may get saved to a file with a redirect, and that part redirects stderr (error output) to stdout (regular output) [05:13] do i need to install alsa 1.0.20 drivers? or is it allready installed in slackware 12.2? [05:15] nimrod, why would you be considering that option? [05:16] alisonken1noc, antiwire: How do I use it? Like this: cmake 2>&1 cmake.log ? [05:16] because i'm new to slackware, and i can't get sound on my xfi card [05:16] nimrod: first off, did you do a full install? [05:16] yes, i did [05:16] nimrod: make >cmake.log 2>&1 [05:16] xfi card? [05:16] nimrod: did you try using alsaconf yet? [05:16] yes [05:17] did any drivers load for your card? [05:17] yes, i tried alsaconf, and it didn't find that card.. [05:17] do this right here: /exec -o /sbin/lspci | grep Audio [05:18] alisonken1noc, antiwire : OK. It works. Thank you! [05:18] luq421 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] shik4nt4z4: typically, in order to be able to see the errors without wading through standard stuff, I would normally do "cmake >cmake.out 2>cmake.err & ; tail -f cmake.err" [05:19] yes, i did a full install [05:20] if a new driver came out for a card you have, it's probably in the kernel [05:20] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:20] the hardware section of alsa is in the kernel [05:20] upyr[emacs] (n=user@194.9.231.235) joined ##slackware. [05:20] ok [05:21] nimrod, what card is this? /exec -o /sbin/lspci | grep Audio [05:21] or if you're using an xterm or Terminal, omit "/exec -o" [05:21] i would see brb [05:22] alisonken1noc: Cool. Thank you again! ;-) [05:22] :-) [05:23] TwinReverb: i got this message: "no such file or directory" when i typed that code [05:24] nimrod, /sbin/lspci | grep Audio [05:25] Saint_The7 (n=rafal@91.145.134.77) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:25] TwinReverb: nothing happened [05:26] hmm [05:26] /sbin/lspci [05:26] and go look for your sound card [05:26] but my cdplayer get the signal from the PCM [05:26] ok [05:27] if it's not in lspci's output, i would seriously doubt that your sound card is operational [05:27] unless it's usb? [05:27] my card is showing when i typed /sbin/lspci [05:27] can you paste that line? [05:28] "02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi" [05:28] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [05:28] thats the line [05:28] hmm well USB sound cards are in the kernel, i've seen some get added since 12.2, you might try a new kernel. i wouldn't try a new alsa unless you're SURE that the support for this sound card is definitely NOT in the kernel [05:28] the most recent kernel by the way [05:29] yes, i'm using the 2.6.27 smp i think [05:29] upyr[emacs] (n=user@194.9.231.235) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:30] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:30] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:34] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:37] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@68-25-155-127.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:38] when i installed the soundcard-driver, then the PCM 96.0 kHz came up on the display on my extern cd player [05:38] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-59-101-144-131.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:38] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.33) joined ##slackware. [05:39] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:42] v4nelle (n=van@78-48-21.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:44] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:46] upyr[emacs] (n=user@194.9.231.235) joined ##slackware. [05:55] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:57] does alsactl find card? [05:57] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:58] What may be the problem here: http://pastebin.com/d1016da23 ? I am trying to install Kicad which requires xwWidgets >= 2.6.3.3, CMake >= 2.6.0, Boost C++ Libraries, OpenGl, Zlib Compression Library. I have all of them. [05:59] the output for alsactl is: alsactl: Specify command... [06:01] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:03] It's possible to swap Caps lock with ctrl to work easier with slackware? if so how it's do then? [06:05] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) joined ##slackware. [06:07] no supported ISA or PCI card found, when i run alsaconf [06:08] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl230-59.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:10] It's possible to swap Caps lock with ctrl to work easier with slackware? if so how it's done on slackware then? [06:12] now it's working :) thanks for the help! :) [06:12] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-131-255.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:12] I start my ssh client to connect to slack's sshd. Sometimes the client (be it Putty, or linux ssh cli) just waits for several seconds before it logs in. Eventually it logs in. I opened all iptables and kept the default sshd_config but it still happens every so and often. After a while, it stops. And I can login again instaneously. Is there something I miss? [06:12] nimrod: your sound works? [06:13] nick4: lan or remote? [06:13] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-131-255.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [06:13] yes, i played a mp3 file and youtube is working to. i don't know what i did [06:13] :P [06:14] i guess i must do 'alsactl store' now then [06:14] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl230-59.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:14] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl230-59.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:15] slackytude LAN [06:15] sorry, I forgot to mention that [06:15] nick4: old computer or something? [06:16] quite old, 7 years old. But this happens once in a while. For example now, I can again login instaneously. [06:17] nick4: yeah, still, Id just say the comp lags a bit behind [06:18] slackytude but only once every month? (for example) have you had this happened to you? [06:18] nick4: on old machines, yes. nothing to annoying, it usually just comes up a bit lagged but works once you connect [06:18] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:19] in my experience [06:19] yes [06:19] just the login sequence stalls for 10-20 seconds [06:19] strange though, that doesnt do this every single time [06:19] thats a bit long... [06:19] but might still be it [06:19] yes [06:19] can I somehow debug this? [06:19] uh, probably [06:19] but dont ask me [06:19] how? [06:20] oh, ok :) [06:20] increase verbosity ;) [06:20] ohhhhhhhhhhh [06:20] yes! [06:20] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176017367.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [06:20] but dont bug me for details [06:20] no, that was enough [06:20] right [06:20] Action: slackytude slowly fades into background [06:20] anybody still using -current with kde3 ? [06:21] slackytude like aYann Tiersen song :P [06:21] slackytudeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [06:21] nooooooooo [06:22] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-d54f0e300a1ea45e) left irc: [06:22] Action: slackytude fades into foregorund [06:22] Action: slackytude slaps wintery [06:22] Action: slackytude slowly fades into background [06:23] fsking gay lurkers [06:24] wintery: if that was the case, it would have been something more than a slap :) [06:24] like? [06:24] ask slackytude [06:25] pshh [06:25] dont make me laugh [06:25] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:26] v4nelle (n=van@78-48-21.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:26] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-43-82-249-136-112.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:27] grazymax (n=grazymax@host158-153-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:27] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-42-82-255-107-216.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] goodnight, everyone [06:28] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [06:29] It's possible to swap Caps lock with ctrl to work easier with slackware? if so how it's done on slackware then? [06:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host67-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:33] What may be the problem here: http://pastebin.com/d1016da23 ? I am trying to install Kicad which requires xwWidgets >= 2.6.3.3, CMake >= 2.6.0, Boost C++ Libraries, OpenGl, Zlib Compression Library. I have all of them. [06:35] shik4nt4z4: how did you install xwWidgets? [06:36] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@64.208.214.225) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:36] Does anyone have an opinion on reasonable email message size limits? [06:36] How to set in Slackware Fluxbox running terminal while pushing eg: crt+a? [06:37] slackytude: SlackBuilds, it is actually wxX11 and wxGTK [06:37] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [06:37] Zordrak: 15MB or less [06:38] shik4nt4z4: I guess your problem is the "and". It's wxX11 *or* wxGTK, but not both [06:39] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:40] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [06:40] geno_ (n=geno@ip-118-90-92-91.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:40] sounds good [06:42] pprkut: Well, I have tried just with wxGTK or wxX11 did not work. [06:42] But I will try it again [06:42] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:42] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:44] shik4nt4z4: I currently have neither, so I can't really help you on what you need. [06:44] Im confused with the build [06:44] looks like its looking for wx inside the /home dir [06:44] check, that the include path is correct, and that the file it wants actually exists in the system [06:45] http://pastebin.com/d1016da23 [06:45] duh [06:45] /home/shik4nt4z4/Desktop/install/kicad-2009-02-16/include/fctsys.h:8:23: error: wx/wxprec.h: No such file or directory [06:46] am I confused or does it look in the wrong place for that file? [06:46] bnhashmi (n=bnhashmi@64.208.214.225) joined ##slackware. [06:46] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [06:46] slackytude: :-) I think it is. [06:47] well, anyway, check you have that file and tune the include path [06:47] what pprkut said :D [06:47] my 12.2 package has it in /usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/wxprec.h [06:48] so there should be something like -I/usr/include/wx-2.8 somewhere I guess [06:48] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. 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[06:59] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:59] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:59] nimrod: what steps did you do last time? [07:00] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Saint_The7 (n=rafal@91.145.134.77) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:00] quit [07:00] bigtfishbone (n=bigtfish@0x57305c62.abnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "leaving" [07:01] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:01] slackytude: i just wrote some short codes that agris and TwinReverb showed me [07:01] c0d3z? [07:01] er [07:01] (0(|3Z [07:03] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl11-177.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:03] hello everyone [07:05] i think i must find a way to get alsa to recognise my card again. I don't know. when i type: /sbin/lspci i get this: 02:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB X-Fi [07:06] Lord_Khelben: Hello! [07:06] hello shik4nt4z4 [07:06] to be sure before i restarted my PC, i did this: 'alsactl store' ...but the sound disapeared [07:07] How to swap capslock with ctrl lock in console mode? [07:07] adeodatus: read the showkey and loadkeys manpages [07:07] showkey will show you the keycode of ctrl/capslock and with loadkeys you can mess with them [07:08] nimrod: it used to work and it stopped working ? [07:08] nimrod: well, what codes? [07:08] Lord_Khelben: yes [07:09] according to this commit http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=8cc72361481f00253f1e468ade5795427386d593 [07:09] slackytude: i will scroll to see [07:09] x-fi is now supported in 2.6.31 (when it will be released) [07:09] maybe yours is an earlier chipset [07:09] Lord_Khelben: he got it working somehow but only till reboot [07:09] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:09] Im guessing he loaded a module and didnt put it in rc.modules [07:10] Thanks, Lord_Khelben [07:10] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:10] slackytude: wouldn't udev load it automagically ? [07:10] i haven't messed with rc.modules for years [07:10] nimrod: check this url i pasted just to be sure [07:11] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:11] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [07:12] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:12] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Lord_Khelben: maybe not. I didnt see how it got fixed, just guessing [07:13] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [07:13] i checked it, and don't understand how this could help me get my sound back. I got sound and youtube and everything was perfect until i restarted my PC :( [07:14] nimrod: run as root udevadm trigger [07:14] and udev should load everything necessary for sound [07:15] then run alsamixer and see if the card is recognised [07:15] if yes unmute the mixers [07:15] if that was the case it would work already [07:15] ok, Lord_Khelben [07:15] yes it would, but let him run it manually in case the goblins did something :P [07:15] it 99% won't help but it won't hurt either [07:15] nimrod: Maybe my question will be stupid but what gives ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa ? [07:16] Is it executable? [07:16] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2672 2008-12-03 02:49 /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa [07:17] Lord_Khelben, it didn't work in alsamixer. Just seeing USB device [07:17] nimrod: alsamixer -c 1 works ? [07:18] just usb. i don't know what -c l is [07:18] i'm just a newbee [07:18] one not el [07:18] nimrod: What Slackware version do you use? [07:18] -c 1 (one) [07:19] aha, yes [07:19] i use . [07:19] alsamixer -c 1 (one) . does it show the x-fi ? [07:19] 12.2 [07:19] Yes! [07:19] Lord_Khelben [07:20] you have a webcam or something ? [07:20] yes [07:20] the snd-usb-audio was probbed first [07:20] and so it apperas now as the first sound card [07:20] appears even [07:20] and you X-Fi appears as the second one that is why you don't have sound [07:20] so, i should remove the webcam? [07:20] run the following [07:20] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [07:20] echo > /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio.conf << EOF [07:20] options snd-usb-audio index=1 [07:20] EOF [07:20] my mother in law had that problem - her webcam took over the sound device so no audio from the computer. had to restart with the webcam unhooked from the usb port [07:21] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:21] yes usb sound modules are probed first for some reason [07:21] nimrod: run the commands as you see them [07:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:21] this tells udev to always use index=1 for the usb audio so it will be the second card [07:21] Ok, i did so. Now i will try the player [07:22] and even if your X-fi is probed after, it will still become card no1 [07:22] nimrod: you need to unload/modprobe the modules again [07:22] or reboot [07:22] for this to take effect [07:22] ok, thanks, Lord_Khelben! :) [07:22] weird though i had the impression that X-Fi wasn't supported in <2.6.31 alsa [07:22] brb for feedback [07:23] there was a discussion here too some weeks ago [07:23] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [07:23] Lord_Khelben: whoa [07:23] i think it was eviljames and ... i can't remember who else [07:23] Lord_Khelben: echo till EOF [07:23] nifty [07:23] let me google [07:24] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/slackware.log.18Jul2009 [07:25] there you go. illuzion was the other person [07:26] xzwerm (n=matt@S01060050bf34fda9.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] alisonken1noc: i had the same problem. i also have a tv tuner card so 3 audio devices and everytime the order was different :) [07:26] :) [07:26] xzwerm (n=matt@S01060050bf34fda9.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:27] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:27] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Zivija (i=0@77-105-48-75.adsl-1.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [07:28] Hello! [07:28] hello Zivija [07:28] nimrod: did it work ? [07:28] just a quick question, if anybody have time [07:28] There is no xorg.conf in current? [07:28] Lord_Khelben, no [07:28] nimrod: alsamixer show the usb device again ? [07:28] yes [07:28] If someone can go to private chat with me [07:29] Zivija: not really - for the most part, Xorg pretty much is self-configuring now [07:29] to help me configure it [07:29] Zivija: Hello! [07:29] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust493.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:29] Zivija: for starters run X -configure and then move the /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/ and try if it works [07:29] the only reason for an xorg.conf is if you have some oddball issue (like needing to reduce the resolution from default best) [07:29] nimrod: did you ran the commands ? the file is in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? [07:30] yes, i ran the commands like you wrote them [07:30] i have an xorg to define my mice/keyboard without hal and to put fontpaths for legacy/non-fontconfig apps (i don't think there are anymore but i used it for a long time) [07:30] Are there any mirrors of the slacky.eu repo? [07:31] nimrod: ls /etc/modprobe.d/ shows the file ? [07:31] what file? it shows this: blacklist modprobe.conf snd-usb-audio.conf usb-controller [07:31] isapnp psmouse sound [07:32] ok cat snd-usb-audio.conf [07:33] cat: snd-usb-audio.conf: No such file or directory [07:33] cd /etc/modprobe.d/ and then run cat [07:33] OK, Lord Khelben I run X configure when I'm on X or from init3? [07:33] from init 1 or 3 [07:34] OK [07:34] Zivija: you said you want help to configure X so i supposed X doesn't work [07:34] if you are already on X what do you want to configure ? [07:34] No, I am now on X [07:34] No 3D [07:34] ATI driver issue [07:34] I need to install ATI driver [07:34] ah ok [07:34] I am on fresh instalation [07:34] have you downloaded the driver ? [07:34] 87% now [07:34] Zivija, what card and do you need 3d? [07:35] HD3200 [07:35] nimrod: ? [07:35] i did cat snd-usb-audio.conf [07:35] Yes, I had 3D before, but now 2D performance is poor [07:35] under vesa driver [07:35] the content is exactly "options snd-usb-audio index=1" ? [07:35] it puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again! [07:35] OK, so first to do X -configure [07:35] Zivija, the radeonhd driver is pretty good, excellent 2d (better than fglrx), but no 3d in the version that is included in slack [07:36] Lord_Khelben, how can i see that? [07:36] where* [07:36] than move xorg.conf [07:36] nimrod: cat shows you the file contents [07:36] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [07:36] And then run ati installer [07:36] Zivija: before move the conf make sure you don't already have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf [07:36] OK edman007, how to change to radeonhd driver [07:36] it only came up a blank line [07:36] Lord_Khelben [07:36] I don't have, I have only xorg.conf-vesa [07:36] nimrod: then you didn't ran the command i gave you properly [07:37] Zivija, if you run the radeonhd then the driver is already installed, just edit the xorg.conf and change the driver line to radeonhd [07:37] Lord_Khelben: he's still working on it :) [07:37] nimrod: ls -al /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio.conf [07:37] what size does it give you ? [07:37] Zivija, also, fglrx has not been updated in a while, i don't think it will run unpatched with the kernel included in slack... [07:37] OK, I am logging out now, going to init3 [07:38] I will try to do this now [07:38] ...so that is another reason to use radeonhd [07:38] ok [07:38] Edman007, I had ATI 8.12 version [07:38] It was only working on slackware 12.2 [07:38] i think it runs on kernels < 2.6.29 [07:38] i may be wrong though [07:38] and it was great [07:38] now is 9.7 [07:38] I will try [07:38] i did this: # ls -al /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio.conf [07:38] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1 2009-08-10 13:21 /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio.conf [07:39] nimrod: yes the command wasn't ran properly [07:39] edit this file with your favourite editor [07:39] and put there "options snd-usb-audio index=1" [07:39] Zivija (i=0@77-105-48-75.adsl-1.sezampro.yu) left irc: "Leaving" [07:39] its my fault. i used the << HERE notation because i thought it was easier [07:40] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Lord_Khelben, ok [07:41] but how do i open that file? in terminal, or someplace else? [07:41] as you see the other files have no extension. up until -current any file in there will work. in -current the files are renamed because now udev wants .conf files [07:41] nimrod: nano,elvis,vim,jed,cat >,whatever you like [07:41] what editor do you use ? [07:42] MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@kde/developer/asouza) joined ##slackware. [07:42] nimrod: could do it in X as well [07:42] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@86.53.57.109) joined ##slackware. [07:42] i forgot emacs but emacs is erased from my mind and i always forget it [07:42] but meh [07:42] i use kate, i think [07:42] ok use kate then [07:42] ok [07:44] if you are as user in X, you'll get permission denied, unless you use kdesu or something [07:44] when you reboot and it works then run alsamixer and alsamixer -c 1 modify the levels and run alsactl store to save them [07:45] ok. i see [07:45] i will try su [07:46] alicephilippa (n=alice@host217-39-10-198.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [07:48] brb [07:48] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [07:49] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Lord_Khelben: you forgot at lease ed and joe too :P [07:49] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@86.53.57.109) left irc: "Leaving" [07:49] /s/lease/least [07:50] yes those too :) [07:50] ktos (n=ktos@adfp218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:50] i only install elvis,vim (and change vi symlink to vim) so i forget many others [07:50] Hi [07:51] i don't even install ed [07:51] hello ktos [07:51] I have installed new slackware and copied /var/lib/mysql files from old server to new. Next I chown -R mysql.mysql /var/lib/mysql/"dirs with dbs". I can see my databases but when I try open any table I get error: table foo doesn't exists. Please help me [07:52] ed is needed by patch -e IIRC [07:52] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [07:52] but doubt anyone uses that [07:52] yeah i read it in the manpage now that you mentioned it. why would i need to interpret it as ed script though ? [07:52] ktos : check with #mysql, also check the error log in /var/lib/mysql [07:53] ananke: ok, thanks [07:53] ktos : what versions of mysql are involved? [07:53] the sound is back..i skipped the file editing and unplugged my webcam..never use it after all [07:53] beats me [07:53] nimrod: this will work too but the proper way is what i described [07:53] I _don't_ install e/ :) [07:54] its just editing one file after all [07:54] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl230-59.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] ananke: I move from 12.1 to currentt64 slack, dont know what version was in 12.1 [07:54] Lord_Khelben. I'm new to linux, and i don't understand how i can edit a file in the terminal [07:54] after 2-3-8-12 months you may forget the webcam plugged and wonder for hours why the soundcard doesn't work [07:55] yes, you're right..i must fix this [07:55] nimrod: think back to dos days using ed/edlin - linux has several options for that as well [07:55] ktos: there are migration howtos in the mysql website when involving major mysql versions [07:55] alisonken1noc: i used type/edit in dos. didn't know of edlin etc [07:55] nimrod: a lot of people use vi/vim/elvis and even mc file editor [07:56] edlin was freaky - almost as much fun as using echo to edit :) [07:56] i never heard of any of this editors :P [07:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:57] nimrod: try nano /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio.conf and then follow the keybindings it has on the bottom line [07:57] Lord_Khelben: must check it [07:57] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [07:57] ktos: and ofcourse keep a backup of the files somewhere else in case something goes wrong [07:57] thank you - I was trying to remember nano but it got lost in the neurons :) [07:58] ok, Lord_Khelben [07:58] http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html [07:58] the phrase you need to put there is "options snd-usb-audio index=1" [07:58] sure ;) [07:59] hi all [07:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:00] hey grazymax [08:00] nice juice :) [08:01] ok, i'm in the editor nano now. How do i execute comands there? [08:01] try pressing some keys [08:01] they should appear in the editor [08:01] hi alisonken1noc :) [08:01] ok [08:01] in other words you write like in kate [08:02] type the phrase i gave you [08:02] and then look at a bar down it mention some keys [08:02] i think one says write-out ctrl+o or something like that [08:03] use that to save the file [08:03] and exit nano [08:03] yes, i have wrote the phrase now, ok, would try that [08:04] yes ctrl+o is writeout and then ctrl+x is exit [08:05] ok, now i have don it.. thanks for your help man [08:05] nimrod: are you back at the shell ? [08:06] juice: someone has a sick sense of humor. I like it :) [08:06] Lord_Khelben, yes [08:06] nimrod: then run cat /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio.conf [08:06] to make sure the phrase is there [08:07] yes it's there: # cat /etc/modprobe.d/snd-usb-audio.conf [08:07] options snd-usb-audio index=1 [08:07] nimrod: ok then plug the webcam and reboot to test it [08:07] yes. brb [08:07] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [08:08] yeah [08:08] there are much worse things to do [08:08] when did modprobe switch to .conf files? [08:08] alicephilippa (n=alice@host217-39-10-198.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:08] but that isn't too bad [08:08] i don't know. i remember noticing it at the changelog [08:08] juice: redirecting all pictures to lemonpart would be one I can think of [08:09] imagine that ebay page with all graphics changed to lemonparty :) [08:09] Lord_Khelben: well, going to try that on a 12.2 box later and see if it helps the mother-in-law and her webcam [08:09] i'll keep it out of my imagination [08:09] i have done this but only the redirect to certain page, not the flip version [08:10] alisonken1noc: i don't see why it won't help [08:10] its standard procedure [08:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [08:11] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [08:11] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:11] it works! :D [08:11] :) nice [08:11] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Thanks :) [08:11] now modify the levels for both cards with alsamixer and run alsactl store [08:12] ok [08:12] this way it will work forever and you don't have to remember unplugging the webcam or stuff like that [08:12] i see [08:12] at least until the next upgrade (for me, an upgrade is fresh install) [08:13] i tar etc and other dirs i want before an upgrade [08:13] agris2 (n=agris@213.226.141.123) joined ##slackware. [08:13] though with -current i rarely install fresh [08:13] I keep /home on a separate disk, with notes for /etc for things like that [08:15] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [08:17] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] re [08:18] 'lo [08:18] what's up? [08:18] almost the sun [08:18] me (unfortunately) [08:19] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [08:20] ya know, there are certain things in a man's life, delicasies like a good drink (me, Green tea), a good meal, a good woman; that when a man finds one or more of these things, he just sighs with relief. "it's just good." [08:20] alisonken1home applies to you too in the reverse [08:21] and why in the reverse? although, for me, it's a good cup of coffee and my wife [08:21] oh; you have gender issews :) [08:21] i couldnt tell [08:21] heh [08:21] not the last time I checked :) [08:21] your nick [08:22] ah - holdover from when the wife and I started email accounts on juno dial up [08:22] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:22] heh [08:22] we were going for allisonken and kenallison, but kenallison was already taken :) [08:22] k [08:23] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl230-59.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:23] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:23] guax (n=guaxinim@201-25-213-9.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:24] well; and so, I learned that the orange soda i've been drinking for two weeks has caffeine in it; i am so mad, i cant sleep: so, I'm going to email company and rip them a new one. [08:24] speaking of coffee - time for another pot [08:24] almost as mad as when I found out that rootbeer I drink _doesn't _have caffeine [08:24] heh; it belongs in coffee only [08:25] I will admit - it takes me longer to drink a hot cup of coffee than a full mug of cold rootbeer :) [08:25] yea [08:25] Quiznos: doesnt the label mention caffeiene in its content_ [08:26] ? [08:26] the orange-caff totally ruined my sleep sched. destroyed it [08:26] nop [08:26] oh [08:26] "natural flavors" only [08:26] take it up with the govt. [08:26] drug and food administration or whatever [08:26] no; i'm gonna rip the corp a new one. [08:26] that controls this things [08:26] the people therein [08:26] govt dont care [08:26] people dont care [08:27] govt is just another word for people [08:27] same with corp. [08:28] alisonken1noc whose noc you in? [08:28] there should be some goverment department that handles questions for the consumers in the nation [08:28] dreamhost [08:28] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] i dont know what its called in english [08:28] dont know them. you any good? :) [08:28] tewmten what? [08:28] fair to middlin :) [08:29] heh [08:29] that handles questions regarding these sort of things [08:29] tewmten state attorney's general [08:29] i'd email them [08:29] bitch to them. [08:29] there are other angencies too; ftc, fda, icc, ... [08:29] God especially [08:29] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:29] that's g. o. d. [08:30] a very speeshul agency [08:30] yeah i dont know about the american agencies [08:30] but better bitch at them [08:30] lol [08:30] or just call the police [08:30] than actually bitch at the company directly because thay aint gonna do shit about it [08:30] they definately dont care [08:30] good bye, and thanks for the help [08:30] that's what i'm gonna do [08:30] gn nim [08:31] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [08:31] dude.. its by law that you have to label the contents of your products on the packaging [08:31] if they dont, thats breaking the law [08:31] yea i know [08:31] and if the police doesnt care about that [08:31] but there are ways around [08:31] well then, you should move to another country [08:31] they dont; not their jurisdiction [08:31] nah [08:31] nah but they are a gov. agency, they are required to hear your case [08:31] right? [08:32] i'm a meerkin; i couldnt carry a sword. [08:32] im just assuming it is that way [08:32] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.10.37) joined ##slackware. [08:32] there are administrative procedures that can be used. and i could do that. i might [08:32] where are u? [08:32] netherlands [08:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.7) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:32] k [08:32] but im originally from sweden [08:32] k [08:32] new york. [08:33] I'm originally from los angeles county [08:33] yeah in general we eurotrash people have it better i've heard [08:33] :D [08:33] our condolnsces [08:33] :) [08:33] notice - "county" not "downtown" :) [08:33] so the latest is that Calif. might not fall into the sea [08:33] heh [08:33] yea [08:33] I'm still waiting to surf to denver [08:33] lol [08:34] gotta ccross the rocky [08:34] thats gonna be hard [08:34] that's what the big splash is supposed to help with [08:34] heh [08:34] _jhw_ (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [08:34] Reav___ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [08:35] MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@kde/developer/asouza) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:35] well it aint gonna happen [08:36] i wonce found a verse in bible that mentioned "the land of fruits and nuts" and I thougth of calif. [08:36] well - "what's not fruits and nuts is flakes" [08:36] lol [08:36] and in rev. it says be cold or hot, ... but bc you're luke warm (flakes?) LOL [08:36] lol [08:37] fence-sitters [08:37] where do you think that cereal got it's slogan from? [08:37] no idear [08:37] lol [08:37] california [08:37] yea not likely [08:37] lol [08:39] californication [08:39] close enough - even with the double-entendre [08:41] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176017367.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:44] clnt_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Timed out [08:45] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:45] when foreign computer visit my nfs [08:45] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [08:45] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl230-59.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [08:46] why? [08:46] i don't know !! [08:47] and i use rpcinfo -p see result it's normal... [08:47] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [08:47] and ps aux|grep nfs..it display 8 nfsd it's normal [08:48] pidof names, is better [08:48] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl11-177.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [08:48] how i do it? [08:48] pidof names [08:48] root@darkstar:/etc/rc.d# pidof nfsd [08:48] 8507 8506 8505 8504 8503 8502 8501 8500 [08:50] do you have method? [08:51] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:51] method of what? [08:51] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:51] client use nfs to my computer.. [08:51] dont understand what you want [08:52] other man computer use showmount -e x.x.x.x don't display [08:52] don't display my computer's nfs share directory [08:52] slack_fish whats your native tongue? [08:53] sorry. [08:53] never apologise! [08:53] japan [08:53] for language [08:53] hold on [08:53] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [08:53] i think .if slk nfs server have problem [08:54] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@66.33.206.8) joined ##slackware. [08:54] slack_fish ask in #ubuntu-jp bc they speak nipponese. hopefully they can help you. [08:55] maybe then you can write what the problem is here [08:55] no.i use slackware13 with current [08:55] maybe? [08:55] ok [08:55] but i dont comprehend the prob. [08:56] sorry [08:56] dont apoligise! [08:56] never apologise for your lack of language skill [08:56] my computer open nfs server....do you see?? [08:56] blame a teacher instead :) [08:56] you have nfsd running? [08:56] yes [08:56] k [08:56] i am testing it. [08:57] k [08:57] so i find some friend ..from internet visit to me nfs [08:57] k [08:57] to mount your nfs path [08:57] to his system [08:57] uh [08:57] NFS over internet? [08:57] yes [08:57] uh [08:58] not good [08:58] you invited friend to your home? [08:58] or from the cafe? [08:58] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [08:58] or from his home?> [08:58] from other city of china. [08:58] slack_fish: nfs exports over internet is not good [08:58] so he in his home to connect to your system to mount your nfs to his system> [08:59] > [08:59] ? [08:59] ken i dont think he's that advanced re nfs yet [08:59] maybe not, but it sounds like what he's trying to do [08:59] nods [08:59] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-59-101-144-131.mel.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:00] slack_fish whats in /etc/exportfs? [09:00] exprtfs or exports [09:00] +o [09:00] /mnt/hdb1/uploads *(rw,async,all_squash) [09:00] he is exporting [09:00] only one line in /etc/exports [09:00] ok [09:00] so you want people to write to your exports? [09:00] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] no. [09:01] then change the (rw to read-only/ use proper keyword there [09:01] "ro" maybe? [09:02] i know [09:02] ok [09:02] hold; afk. brb [09:02] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [09:03] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [09:04] How to change the keyboard configuration? [09:06] That's a sentence fragment with a question mark on the end. [09:07] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] How to change keyboard configuration? [09:08] what kind of change? qwerty to dvorak? [09:08] or something similar? [09:08] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:229) joined ##slackware. [09:09] How to change keyboard configuration to qwerty? [09:09] upyr[ema` (n=user@194.9.231.203) joined ##slackware. [09:09] do you have a querty keyboard plugged in? and what kind of keyboard are you using now? [09:09] qwerty.us [09:10] boneyy1 (n=erga@host81-157-33-25.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:10] I want qwerty.emacs [09:10] you want to look for the emacs bindings then [09:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cd860f95cc022e94) joined ##slackware. [09:10] loadkeys emacs.map [09:11] anyone use metasploit with slack .....it's giving me rubygems error but it thought rubygem came with slackware [09:11] no such file to load -- rubygems (LoadError) [09:12] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:13] don't think rubygem comes with slackware [09:13] Thanks [09:14] adeodatus: np [09:14] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176017367.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:15] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/10/molecular_condom/ <--- aids-blocking sperm cream that turns into a condom when sperm detected [09:15] Desmirrel (n=desmirre@82-46-78-218.cable.ubr06.stav.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: "leaving" [09:16] slack_fish [09:16] sperm is fuel, hahahaha [09:16] sperm is energy [09:16] sperm is light [09:17] boneyy1 (n=erga@host81-157-33-25.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:17] call me ? [09:17] yes [09:17] what matter? [09:17] where were we? [09:17] i 'm come from china [09:18] lol; let's finish your problem. [09:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) joined ##slackware. [09:18] please say! [09:18] your problem with nfs [09:18] is there a way to find out which package installed a specific file? [09:19] apoca grep package /var/log/packages/* [09:19] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:19] or grep file... ... [09:19] oh cool :) [09:20] thanks for the hint [09:20] yw [09:20] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:20] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [09:20] greetings [09:20] it's everning... [09:21] it's time to go to bed... [09:21] night-time? after sundown? [09:21] ok [09:21] gn [09:21] sure.. [09:21] good night [09:21] haha [09:21] wait a moment...for my nfs [09:21] ok [09:23] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.10.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:23] Desmirrel_ (n=desmirre@213.249.205.114) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:24] upyr[emacs] (n=user@194.9.231.235) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] lala [09:24] ? [09:24] ask a question slack_fish [09:25] please.. [09:25] is that a question [09:25] please what? [09:25] that is one i think.. [09:25] will you ask me a question?? [09:26] slack_fish you have the problem to fix; what is wrong that you came here? [09:26] i don't know [09:27] slack_fish join #ubuntu-jp to ask for help because they speak your language. [09:27] i like slackware only . [09:27] i 'm a chinese..not japan [09:27] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:27] oh [09:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] ok [09:29] hold on [09:29] no hold on [09:29] i'm looking for a native speaker to assist with you. [09:30] sure? [09:30] happyaron (n=aron@unaffiliated/happyaron) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Quiznos: hi [09:30] hi [09:31] Quiznos: I am a native Chinese [09:31] are you polyglot? [09:31] kool; talk to slack_fish about nfs pls [09:31] tyvm [09:31] -ýº [09:31] slack_fish: ï [09:31] but plis do it on query [09:32] do you can help me? [09:32] wintery wait i wanted to watch the question marks :) [09:32] wintery, thats the beauty of globalization [09:32] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] slack_fish: yes, but I can only act as a translator, I know little about nfs indeed. [09:32] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [09:33] oh. [09:33] slack_fish: ô' [09:33] i am glad to see you. [09:33] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] just the slack_fish characters are apearing right to me [09:34] do not look directly at the fish! [09:34] ‰Å}†nfs.F/©+ºe}„îUt ïå [09:34] Action: BP{k} summons bigger fish. [09:34] omg, ok, sorry. ô <- is that a mouse? [09:34] guax: if you have utf-8 encoding with at least a Chinese font installed, you could see it [09:34] pprkut, slackytude: I forgot to thank you last time for help. :-) [09:34] So, thank you! [09:34] shik4nt4z4: whut? oh, no problemo [09:35] shik4nt4z4: I helped? with what? [09:35] slack_fish says: I've installed nfs, but when I let somebody else to mount my filesystem, they cannot [09:35] happyaron, most of them are appearing right, some squares, on small circle, and clearly chinese characters all along =P [09:36] slack_fish: vžÙ›î˜`ïåQ0#ubuntu-cn‘Sîî £Ìý/-ýº _ @PŽubuntu [09:36] happyaron ok; we peeked in etc/exportfs and he specified that his export was "rw"; i suggested that he change it to "read only"; i dont know the actual keyword, it might be "ro" but he has to check that. [09:36] guax: :) [09:36] slackytude: I had some problems with Kicad so you tried to help me. [09:37] slack_fish: QuizonsÞT`ô Àå etc/exportfsÌ`š„‡öûß/rw„ ú®`¾n:êû ïý/ro [09:37] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.27) joined ##slackware. [09:37] happyaron: that should probably be "/etc/exports" (without the f) [09:37] happyaron can you find the nfs howtos, and if theyve been translated to .cn? give url to slack_fish if true [09:37] Quiznos: he says others cannot mount his filesystem, even if it's 'rw', that should be mountable [09:37] happyaron ok [09:38] don't translated it ,i can see it myself [09:38] slack_fish: alisonken1noc ô”å//etc/exports [09:38] happyaron: the problem may be he's behind a router/firewall that is blocking his rpc requests [09:38] happyaron the relevent filepath is /etc/exports [09:38] slack_fish: alisonken1noc ô`ïý( [09:38] if he's behind a natted router (in other words, if his IP address for his machine is in the 192.xxx range), then it's probably not going to work over the internet [09:39] alisonken1noc he's in .cn; the whole domain might be behind fw! [09:39] happyaron: tell him to specify the nfs to be ro, insecure [09:39] Quiznos: we know the country is - but we're talking personal connection to their version of the internet :) [09:39] slack_fish: ‚œ( [09:39] PeanutHorst: okay, thanks [09:40] PeanutHorst !!! [09:40] slack_fish: PeanutHorstÐ’`Ù/:ro,Ð؉h' [09:40] slack_fish: why not use sshfs ? [09:40] Quiznos: ? [09:40] LTNS [09:40] alisonken1noc: it doesn't block such services [09:40] happyaron: negatory, literally "ro,insecure" [09:40] not so much block - but nfs takes a little more work to get around a router [09:41] Quiznos: sup [09:41] not much; internatinal relations here atm [09:41] slackytude: for most time, we don't need to jump over it [09:41] ""hapyaron,_""tude ÖåM_.©Ç„ [09:41] hopefully we wont sqroo it up :) [09:41] heh [09:41] happyaron: easier to setup and more secure than NFS [09:41] slackytude: sshfs? [09:42] happyaron: yes [09:42] bedtime now :) [09:42] whoa...am i in china? [09:42] slack_fish: slackytudeôsshfsÔNFS¹G¾ô‰h [09:42] ssh / [09:42] edman007: welcome to the new international ##slackware support [09:42] :) [09:42] alisonken1noc, lol [09:42] slack_fish: sshfs [09:43] edman007 youre in a crazy maze of timezone all the same. [09:43] whant english? #slackware-us =P [09:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSHFS [09:43] want* [09:43] slack_fish: slackytudeJÉ` ôú~Ñ [09:43] "All your $TZ are belong to us" [09:43] slack_fish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSHFS [09:43] i see ..thanks.. [09:44] slack_fish: happyaron http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/sshfs-fuse/ [09:44] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) joined ##slackware. [09:44] slackytude: thanks [09:44] happyaron `å\(ý [09:45] slack_fish: ý…J [09:45] Uê*Î „@HÙÌ÷—}ŸJ [09:46] æ—! ’m ®Ý! [09:46] slack_fish: %„ ú®`»#ubuntu-cn [09:46] _/%„ [09:46] ù9 [09:46] edman007: how much Chinese do you know? [09:46] slack_fish: :) [09:46] happyaron, wikipedia FTW! [09:46] æubuntu [09:47] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:47] slack_fish: @ H,„Linux(£Ìýïý ºÞT [09:47] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-78-119.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [09:47] happyaron, did i make sense? [09:47] / [09:47] Sp`ì† [09:47] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cd860f95cc022e94) left irc: [09:47] edman007: yeah [09:47] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176017367.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] hi folks! [09:47] yay! [09:47] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [09:48] happyron ,,can you tell me you qq number?? [09:48] slack_fish: don't use QQ [09:48] ok. [09:49] slack_fish: 1/«QuiznosÎ#ubuntu-cnÉe.Ù„ uu œ" (1/† `(slax¡ºô+„„ [09:49] hey! Quiznos doesnt translate?! [09:49] HEH [09:49] oh .i see.. [09:50] Quiznos: it's not a word, but you nick~ [09:50] i konw; but it's just a proper noun [09:50] translate it :) [09:50] lol [09:50] happyaron, google does not know what 1/† means [09:50] try google.cn [09:51] unless its closed for biz [09:51] edman007: "it should be that" [09:51] Quiznos: is that mean you want a Chinese nick? [09:51] nah; but could you phoenetically write Orion for me? (the zodiac constellation) [09:52] happyaron, --- æ—à! :Erroneous Nickname :( [09:52] Quiznos: let me see [09:53] happyaron: what's your character encoding? [09:53] utf8 he said [09:53] he use utf-8 [09:53] Quiznos: lie4 hu4 xing1 zuo4 [09:53] öäü [09:53] does anyone know a nice tutorial on howto get ldap authentication working in slackware? [09:53] wintery: yeah, utf-8 [09:53] lee hoo shing zhao? (more phonetic?) [09:53] more of american syllables? [09:54] apoca, uhh, its difficult on slack, but IIRC nullboy wrote one... [09:54] apoca: against AD or just LDAP? [09:54] lemme find it [09:54] edman007: it seems to be a dish's name [09:54] i see only blqch squares instead of chinese letters and i'm using utf-! also [09:54] happyaron, yes [09:54] and its good [09:54] slackytude: just ldap [09:54] lee hoo shing zao == Orion [09:54] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.100) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Quiznos: maybe, but shing zhao not very good [09:54] I can't even find any pam configuration :( [09:54] "shing zhao" [09:55] so for fe it's WTF-8 [09:55] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-640e308ac7c4a46b) joined ##slackware. [09:55] happyaron just looking for proper mouth shapes to put to american syllables and for memory neumonics [09:55] happyaron, but freenode won't let me set my nick to it :( [09:55] Action: edman007 is sad [09:55] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:55] happyaron is zhao ~= zaoo? [09:56] silent h? [09:56] edman007: yeah, that's not good [09:56] aspirated? [09:56] Quiznos: no [09:56] ok [09:56] happyaron gime american word for proper shape of zhao [09:56] does anybody tried to compile mod-perl at current64? [09:56] Quiznos: let me see how to pronounce it in english [09:56] xlyophone for z; ouch for hao? [09:56] ou ~=hao? [09:57] Quiznos: not really [09:57] heh ok [09:57] happyaron `Ù'Hp†ÞÁ [09:57] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Quiznos: wait a minute [09:57] kk [09:57] slack_fish: ï [09:58] :` 0² [09:58] ÇV† [09:58] apoca, slackware does not have pam, so you can't really do ldap auth on it, i have seen one person install pam a while again, and it was a lot of changes, unfortunately i have not seen him on irc in months, and i'm having trouble finding what he wrote [09:58] edman007 he could install a foriegn pkg [09:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [09:59] without deps [09:59] and no-script [09:59] oh, too bad :( [09:59] wht too bad? [09:59] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.219) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:59] no pam on slackware is bad :( [09:59] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [09:59] what arch should I put if I have pentium dual core? i686 or x86_64 ? [09:59] Action: missyjane cackles evily [09:59] install a foreign package [10:00] \o/ [10:00] missyjane WHAT DID YOU DO!!?! [10:00] Quiznos, not really, you have to replace the existing packages... [10:00] what pkgs? [10:00] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [10:00] Quiznos: zi-woe, link them together you can get the "zuo" [10:00] zi=she? [10:00] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:01] Quiznos: no [10:01] apoca, alright, i found his site, and its gone :( so i got nothing [10:01] z+eye? [10:01] Quiznos: likely zee [10:01] ok [10:01] edman007: bullshit [10:01] has anyone seen nullboy recently? his site, http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/ is all cleaned out :( [10:01] tell me please, what arch should I put if I have pentium dual core? i686 or x86_64 ? [10:01] two syllables? [10:01] apoca: use nss_ldap [10:01] apoca: and configure your nsswitch.conf to use ldap [10:02] Quiznos: yes, remember pronounce them in a short time [10:02] lee happyaron tyvm; i will; they are logged. [10:02] happyaron tyvm [10:02] Quiznos: my pleasure,:) [10:02] happyaron and thanks for assist with slack_fish [10:02] ktos, how much ram do you have and is it a Pentium D? [10:02] Quiznos: heihei [10:03] edman007: it is pentium dual core not D, I have 4 gb [10:03] thanks [10:03] well use i686 [10:03] slack_fish: np [10:03] since it won't run x86_64 [10:03] ktos: have to check if it's 64-bit - probably not [10:03] slack_fish: ýôô:ÀH0æubuntu [10:03] it is [10:03] only the D ones are 64-bit [10:03] I have slackware 64! [10:03] o_leo_o1 (n=leo@116.233.207.116) left irc: Success [10:04] Ø [10:04] slack_fish: ÙéW*‚ì† ®wS¹ >* [10:04] ehh, i guess and a few others... [10:05] isn't here hieroglif for ubuntu in chinese? [10:05] sudo Vsû …8eI [10:05] æ [10:05] slack_fish: slack [10:05] œ"¯c¹„slackware. [10:05] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [10:05] slackó©ïåremovepkg glibc ¡6 [10:06] http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=35300 [10:06] I have this one [10:06] apoca: http://www.therockgarden.ca/aolsfaq.txt [10:06] apoca: check for LDAP without PAM [10:06] slack_fish: uu vžýïå„ dpkg remove [10:06] apoca: also the slackware mailing list [10:06] apoca: godspeed [10:06] [10:06] ý86 [10:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] slack_fish:  @}' [10:06] ï  [10:07] ? [10:07] edman007: might be of interest to you as well, its pretty simple to get ldap auth in slack http://www.therockgarden.ca/aolsfaq.txt [10:07] missyjane: ok - now why the cackling? [10:07] the hard part is setting up the ldap stuff :D [10:07] agris: ? [10:07] edman007, alisonken1noc: so i686 or x86_64 should I use in current64 ? [10:07] happyaron ? [10:08] agris [10:08] ý86 [10:08] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) left irc: "Leaving" [10:08] ktos: I would say slackware-current, not slackware64-current [10:08] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] ktos: seriously man .. what do you think.... [10:08] jesus, please stop use japeneese here! [10:08] root (i=0@79-175-118-40.adsl-a-3.sezampro.rs) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Hello [10:08] Again me [10:08] ktos stop that; they are invited! [10:08] such nick, ... [10:08] Needed to reinstall Slack [10:08] where's .rs? [10:08] actually, it's chinese, and we're trying to fix a problem [10:08] asking me? [10:08] Nick change: root -> Guest86075 [10:09] Guest86075/root: you really shouldn't irc as root. [10:09] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [10:09] Fresh instalation, still have problems [10:09] ok [10:09] I'm only temporary here [10:09] make a one-char user to irc as [10:09] ask any windows people - even temps don't take long [10:10] OK, I am trying to fix this whole day. Where can I change video driver, because I don't see xorg.conf on Slackware-current (RC1) [10:10] BP{k}: say one is irc-ing as root ... what might happen..? what could one do? [10:10] Guest86075: you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:11] yes [10:11] there is not such thing here anymore [10:11] :) [10:11] anev (n=alan@195.218.115.120) joined ##slackware. [10:11] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Guest86075: you sure? [10:11] The-Croupier: I'll come around to your house to stamp on your toys and ponies. [10:11] Guest86075: if you are using an opensource driver you dont need one [10:11] yes, only xorg.conf-vesa [10:11] (more serious answer: go google it) [10:12] BP{k}: thanks man... i was wondering when will i get around to do that... [10:12] ;) [10:12] BP{k}: do you use both 32bit and 64bit? [10:12] But, as I see, there is resolution set to 1024x768, but my monitor have good resolution (1680x1050). I mean, I got correct picture [10:12] BP{k}: if you get to my house.. the only thing you will NOT be thinking about is the ponies and toys..;) [10:12] People here tell me to use X -configure [10:12] But no result with this [10:13] I only got X freeze [10:13] fathertime666 (n=computer@c-98-200-129-254.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Success [10:13] and I can not repair it after this [10:13] with a couple of ouzo shots and all the nice ladies and the weather..i bet youll forget even that you are not greek [10:13] so, I did fresh instalation (again) [10:13] Guest86075: make sure you have HAL running [10:13] Now I have very slow X [10:13] does anybody tried to compile mod-perl on current64 ? [10:13] is there a way to see all available packages using slackpkg? [10:13] Guest86075 http://slackbook.org/html/x-window-system.html [10:13] agris2 (n=agris@213.226.141.123) left irc: Connection timed out [10:13] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:229) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:14] thats the most outdated slackbook section :P [10:14] sahko: I have both installed yes, but mostly use 64bit. [10:14] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:229) joined ##slackware. [10:14] so what ;) [10:14] xorgsetup still works :) [10:14] Hal works OK [10:14] You think to try xorgsetup? [10:14] omg i have that script!!! [10:14] BP{k}: can you do me favour and try confirming this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/snownews-on-slackware64-746032/ eg add one of those feeds on both 32bit & 64bit and report back? if thats not too much to ask [10:15] i don't think [10:15] .. [10:15] anev (n=alan@195.218.115.120) left irc: Client Quit [10:15] BP{k}: my guess is on 32bit it marks feeds as read. on 64bit it doesnt [10:16] noone seems to care, not even the developer. unless i am doing something wrong, which i doubt [10:16] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [10:16] The-Croupier: hehe, actually I have been asked once if I was from Anthens (after spending two weeks on a holiday down in Karpathos. ;) [10:16] lol [10:16] Guest86075 (i=0@79-175-118-40.adsl-a-3.sezampro.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [10:17] you must be really good looking :p [10:17] Action: The-Croupier is from athens ;) [10:17] lol [10:18] i wanted to design something in uml... ive seen umbrello.. but is there anything else? apart from that? something relevant to rational rose, and uml studio i was told to use... [10:18] root (i=0@79.175.118.40) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Nick change: root -> Zivija [10:18] Action: The-Croupier is really bad with name...:( [10:18] Nothing new here [10:18] The-Croupier: umbrello isnt bad [10:18] Changed to radeonhd [10:19] no change [10:19] slow X [10:19] slackytude: i just thought of switching to NIS instead ;-) [10:19] does anyone want to get lucky? >:D [10:19] Even don't know where to change :) [10:19] slackytude: i didnt say it is... just thinking of seeing any alternatives..:( [10:19] I changed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa [10:19] missyjane: meaning? [10:19] Quiznos: leaving this channel, if you need my help, find me in #ubuntu-cn [10:20] happyaron ty so vm; gn. be well. [10:20] happyaron (n=aron@unaffiliated/happyaron) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [10:20] X loads .../xorg.conf not xorg.conf-vesa [10:20] is slack_fish happy? [10:20] There is no xorg.conf [10:20] That's the point :) [10:20] Zivija: make one [10:20] missyjane: If you are talking about sex..no one here CARES..this is primarily a support channel, not a hook up channel [10:20] only this one [10:20] Last time I make one [10:20] Zivija ln to that name [10:20] straterra: talk for yourself..;) [10:21] Action: missyjane points to straterra [10:21] I got freezed [10:21] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [10:21] speak for yourself straterra plus i havent said anything about sex [10:21] Zivija: run "X -configure && cp /root/xorg.conf /etc/X11" [10:21] so what is aone possible fix for that situation Zivija? Ie Problem=need blah but blah is missing; Solution=? [10:21] OK [10:21] missyjane: you implied sex, as you typically do. and, as always, noone gives a shit [10:21] I did this before [10:21] Zivija: after setting yourself to runlevel 3 [10:21] ok well, this channel needs to go fuck itself sometimes [10:22] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [10:22] Yes, OK. When I do this, I will get xorg.conf-new [10:22] lol [10:22] you can then modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf for your setup if it needs it [10:22] that was last time [10:22] missyjane: first of all its not getting lucky.... you make us work for it most of the time.. :P [10:22] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] After this, I tried to do startx [10:22] but no luck [10:22] And I can't revert to any working xorg, because I don't have one :) [10:22] s/vesa/new in my lastcomment [10:22] sahko: testing now. [10:23] BP{k}: thanks [10:23] apoca: NIS is easy to setup as well, but Ive had some troubles with it [10:23] i thought xorgsetup did make an xorg.conf in the end.. is that wrong? [10:23] its been a long time... [10:23] apoca: NIS is easier to get working since you dont have to define the LDAP stuff [10:23] apoca: oh well [10:23] xorgsetup doesnt exist in -current [10:23] The-Croupier: well, tons of uml modeler [10:23] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [10:23] The-Croupier: eclipse has roughly 12.343.857 plugins for it [10:24] damn, y'all sqeered off the girl! [10:24] sahko: it does in current64 ;) [10:24] sahko: you sure? cos im running current and i do have an xorgsetup [10:24] (xorgsetup that is) [10:24] Was I out of place saying that? [10:24] slackytude: I just have to find out if NIS has enough features for me [10:24] straterra you pushed her over the edge i think [10:24] Good [10:24] pff [10:24] apoca: what do you need? [10:24] but it was a girl! [10:24] But I think I will be happier without LDAP, i tried like the last 2 weeks configuring it to get it work on freebsd and solaris [10:24] apoca: not that Im an expert [10:25] straterra do you KNOW what a girl is? [10:25] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [10:25] lol [10:25] apoca: what did you try? writing ldap schemes by hand is kinda annoying [10:25] Action: The-Croupier hides [10:25] slackytude: I want accountmanagement on a per-host-basis on a centralized server [10:25] I only tried to get LDAP work with nss_ldap and pam_ldap ;-) [10:26] tell me please where are apxs executables of apache because I have no idea? [10:26] how does one go about reverse engineering a lexmark printer to inter-operate with linux? [10:26] ktos libexec? [10:26] apoca: NIS should do that, but there is probably others who know more. so, you had no ldap scheme? [10:27] Quiznos: what are you, some kind of masochist? [10:27] BP{k}: oh, it must be added with 1.6.3 and the latest upgrades. IIRC it wasnt before [10:27] my ldap-scheme was fine, I misconfigured the clients [10:27] slackytude no i'm desparate [10:27] I will do X -configure now [10:27] apoca: hrm, thats the hardest part [10:27] Just to compile Krusader :) [10:27] Quiznos: are you sure? [10:27] usr/libexec is the usual place [10:27] apoca: what troubles did you have with slack [10:28] ktos or usr/lib/ [10:28] ktos what are you doin? [10:28] Quiznos: compile mod perl [10:28] slackytude: my first problem is, that there's no pam. I can contact the ldap-server already and look up some information [10:28] ok [10:28] The-Croupier: yeah i have it too. [10:28] ktos i think the apache pkg and apache compiler environment knows that info itself [10:29] hm [10:29] slackytude: I will try to compile nss_ldap and see if this helps [10:29] apoca: so, you got nss_ldap [10:29] sahko: ;) [10:29] apoca: well, you need it, otherwise it wont work [10:29] I can try don't define params but README say sth another ;) [10:29] apoca: since there is no pam [10:29] ktos says what? [10:29] sahko,: xorgsetup is part of the x11-skel-7.4-$ARCH-1 package: If I am looking at the -current ChangeLog, that was added on "Wed Jun 10 13:23:30 CDT 2009"; so not really, sorry. [10:29] it says to put full path of apxs [10:29] hold [10:30] wth are apxs? [10:30] Quiznos: Uhm..a human with a vagina? [10:30] Quiznos: Big whoop [10:30] BP{k}: nevermind. any luck with snownews? [10:31] straterra you're an ass; missJane is a woman. nuf said. [10:31] I'm an ass..but it needed said again [10:31] ktos google for the apache howto @LDP [10:31] good to be self-confesing ass. [10:32] Quiznos: This is a support channel, not missjanes personal playground, pickup channel, make herself feelgoodshow. nuff said. [10:32] straterra: why are you being mean to women today? what happened? [10:32] The-Croupier: scroll up [10:32] Quiznos: ok, I will try, thanks [10:32] some of you have no sense of humor. [10:33] ktos ok [10:33] straterra: i did... maybe i wasnt here when you maybe mentioned it before.. [10:33] i think i got it from BP{k}'s sentence... [10:33] Ah [10:33] there are no women on the internet btw. maybe in myspace and facebook and twitter. not here [10:33] sahko: there's kethry ;) [10:34] BP{k}: she's a lady.. big difference [10:34] oh right, but she's only here because of you :P [10:34] 10:19 < missyjane> does anyone want to get lucky? >:D [10:34] sahko: point. [10:34] 10:20 < straterra> missyjane: If you are talking about sex..no one here CARES..this is primarily a support channel, not a hook up channel [10:34] There..done [10:34] ah, apxs is program [10:34] I reiterate; some of you have no sense of humor. [10:34] ktos ok [10:34] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: "Leaving" [10:34] straterra: i was there for that one... i didnt see anything wrong with that though... we all make jokes sometimes.. or play around... [10:35] sahko: also I think you have stumbled upon something with snownews. it seems indeed to reload things with 64bit [10:35] there was a command to find path of some program right? [10:35] ktos: which. [10:35] Zivija (i=0@79.175.118.40) left irc: "Leaving" [10:35] whereis, locate, find [10:35] can i haz 45 minutes more of missyjane discussion? [10:35] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [10:35] lol [10:35] BP{k}: thanks :) [10:35] LOL [10:36] ktos: interesting also that snownews complains about not being able to write a pid file to my ~/.snownews/ dir. [10:36] BP{k}: like i describe in the LQ post, that was the reason in May 2008 i started using newsbeuter. i had contacted the autor then too. no reply. he hasnt reply now either. but i dont know whats the problem with 64bit [10:36] s/author/snownews author [10:36] sahko: heh yeah newsbeuter > snownews. [10:37] snownews is simpler, and its in C. newsbeuter has more features [10:37] and in c++ [10:38] Action: init[1] o/ waves to slackers [10:38] Action: slackytude waves back [10:39] o/ [10:39] yo slackytude [10:39] y0 y0 [10:40] Action: init[1] checking current, [10:40] lf4: you be in graveyard again? [10:40] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] slackytude: not yet :) tonight I will be. [10:41] Action: lf4 waves at init[1] [10:41] Action: Quiznos oozes [10:41] have any one played the facebook app, type A-Z [10:41] yo lf4 [10:41] lf4: right [10:42] init[1]: lol whats that? [10:42] sahko: have you checked on google if this is something pertaining to slackware or to snownews and 64bit operating systems in general. [10:42] lf4: its a game,where the player have to type A-Z in minimum time, [10:42] init[1]: lol i see [10:42] sounds pointless, boring and dumb [10:43] btw we would have to do it 5 times , and average time is taken [10:43] Action: lf4 goes to try it out *shouldn't be difficult* [10:43] slackytude: that is a good game, to learn touch typing positions of each letters [10:44] try out "who has the biggest brain" init[1] [10:44] mrselfpwn: yes i have, [10:44] init[1]: booooring [10:45] that one's pretty entertaining [10:45] mrselfpwn: that too is a nice game to improve IQ,and mind maths , [10:45] yep [10:45] slackytude: do you like touch typing (typing without looking keybrd) ? [10:45] lol [10:45] BP{k}: i know that Debian for example "suggests" installing some additional perl modules for snownews. i dont know if thats related. but i have verified the same behaviour on Archlinux64 too.(without the perl modules installed) so its not a Slackware thing. its upstream 64bit related. the only bug reports ive seen around are mine [10:46] init[1]: I dont like it, I just do it [10:46] sahko: argh [10:46] oh man [10:46] mrselfpwn: excuse me? [10:46] slackytude: aa,that is what i meant :/ [10:46] i feel your pain sahko [10:47] mrselfpwn: which pain is that? [10:47] lol, [10:47] that the only bug reports are yours [10:47] a customer just send me a pdf of a batch script he printed out and scanned again >_< [10:47] gah [10:47] mrselfpwn: my main "pain" is that the developer hasnt bothered replying to me. not then, not now. [10:48] init[1]: lol I cant even find it [10:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427534.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:48] lf4: i will give the link, mind ya you will get addicted [10:49] what's your best time init[1]? [10:49] init[1]: maybe... I dont really play games much. just check them out once and then forget about them :P [10:49] nobody thinks thats kinda dumb or weird? [10:49] lf4: http://apps.facebook.com/typea-z/ [10:50] he printed a batch file, scanned it, and send it per email [10:50] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [10:50] slackytude: ..... [10:50] it's just government brainwashing slackytude. no big deal. [10:50] man [10:50] slackytude: I suggest you deploy a lart asap. [10:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427534.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427534.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:51] init[1]: average time 7.72 lol [10:51] BP{k}: good call [10:51] lf4: mine is 5.88 :P [10:51] beat me [10:51] :) [10:51] Action: slackytude beats init[1] [10:52] slackytude, it's not weird when you know some procedures but don't know how to link them [10:52] Action: lf4 gets the whip out [10:52] i've got these variants all the time [10:52] agris: really? [10:53] yes [10:53] Action: init[1] aouch,.., i mean to break the record [10:53] agris: sucks. first time Ive seen it [10:53] init[1]: here's a simple clue for you... [10:53] init[1]: we don't care. [10:53] init[1]: lol I just noticed another one of my friends used this as somepoint (can see their score its 4.63) lol [10:53] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.28) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Action: lf4 gives up on the app [10:53] just write a bot that prints from a-z [10:54] less than a second [10:54] slackytude: lol yay perl! [10:54] hehe [10:54] BP{k}: nvm, i talk this way, i don't have a roomiee to talk with :/ [10:54] init[1]: maybe this topic should go to slackofftopic? :) [10:54] init[1]: geez, I wonder why. [10:55] BP{k}: only 1? [10:55] there's anyone in slackofftopic :) [10:55] s/1/11/ [10:55] agris: I'm always in there as well as here :) [10:56] Action: init[1] shuts , his mouth [10:56] yeah, right [10:57] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.39) joined ##slackware. [10:57] g, i've got tired of this windows 7 desktop... it's so shiny boring :( Tommorow this netbook will have other OS on it [10:58] heh [10:58] Ive visited a few sites that look for trends on the next election [10:59] pirate party has 77% of votes [10:59] thats pretty funny [10:59] they might get their 5% yet [11:00] http://wahl.xing.com/wahlbarometer/aktuelle-woche [11:00] sweden? [11:00] we should all do a write-in for one member of ##slackware :D [11:00] agris: germany, heh [11:01] BP{k}: btw snownews has been removed from Debian http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468778 for "lack of development" i guess [11:05] kurawa12 (i=kurawa12@202.72.210.14) joined ##slackware. [11:05] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [11:06] da da da [11:06] wb quasar [11:07] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:229) left irc: Client Quit [11:07] quasars dont leave.. they go dormant! [11:07] me too, :P [11:08] time to go home [11:10] slackytude: cya later , [11:10] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] have fun slackytude :) [11:11] kurawa12 (i=kurawa12@202.72.210.14) left ##slackware. [11:11] lf4: i forgot acronym lf4 ,satand for , some linux fi.. smthing [11:11] init[1]: lol close ;) [11:11] Nick change: lf4 -> LifeForce4 [11:11] s/satand/stand/ [11:11] Nick change: LifeForce4 -> LF4 [11:11] lol,i just typed satan, [11:12] lol [11:12] :) [11:12] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:13] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:14] I tried to google but can't find out anything useful [11:14] I started sendmail [11:15] but when I try to send email via it I get error: Relaying denied [11:15] could you tell me please what is wrong with it? [11:15] basic security for sendmail - don't want to be an open relay for spammer [11:15] s [11:16] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:16] you have to configure sendmail [11:17] alisonken1noc: in webmin there is [11:17] Domains to which relaying is allowed [11:17] option [11:17] of course - but you don't want your pc to be an open relay [11:17] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-640e308ac7c4a46b) left irc: [11:18] alisonken1noc: tell me please what should I setup then [11:18] I haven't setup sendmail in a long time, and it's now my time to leave work for an hour's drive home [11:19] alisonken1noc: ok, will try to solve, thank you [11:19] someone else here should be able to help, otherwise you can try looking for #bind or #sendmail channels [11:19] ok, thanks [11:20] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@66.33.206.8) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:22] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [11:22] ktos: I'd recommend using postfix instead. [11:22] ktos: You can find it on SBo. [11:22] agentc0re|work: I will take a look at this [11:23] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:23] agentc0re|work, recommendation seconded [11:23] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] isn't postfix for big mail server? [11:24] I have only two addresses ;) [11:24] I heart is like Exim...big :) [11:24] ktos, but postfix is easy [11:24] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@68-25-155-127.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] and sendmail was designed to kill humans [11:25] ktos: doesn't matter. any mail server is going to be more than you need for two email addy's. [11:25] ktos: where do you get the idea that sendmail is just for "small servers" [11:25] edman007++ [11:25] hehe [11:26] does webmin have module for postfix? ;) [11:27] it has [11:27] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-1960a26d1de8543e) joined ##slackware. [11:28] edman007, yes, sendmail is a murder weapon, among other things [11:28] but i'd better say to use vi/nano/joe/whatever and edit conf files in console anyway [11:28] agris, you forgot emacs [11:28] oh [11:28] :) [11:28] no he didn't. [11:29] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:29] emacs goes under whatever. heh [11:29] BP{k}, just because you have a hatred for the subsystem does not mean it is less valid [11:29] "....was designed to kill humans" [11:29] emacs doesn't exist... [11:29] in OS exam i used emacs as game platform example...how could i forget that.. sory AnonymousRednek :) it must habve been mentioned under that "whatever" :P [11:29] BP{k}++ [11:30] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] There is no emacs. [11:30] BP{k}: what system do you hate? [11:30] M-x kill-agentc0re|work [11:30] edman007++ [11:30] The-Croupier: I don't. [11:31] C-m-x-dispose-of-body [11:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:31] other_rafa (n=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [11:31] etf (i=c8a34385@gateway/web/freenode/x-0da784377a691839) joined ##slackware. [11:31] lol [11:31] BP{k}: well... what is the system the conversation is about [11:32] [OT] [A good How to]http://applicant.com/how-to-lose-a-job-via-facebook-in-140-characaters-or-less/ [11:32] You know i actually shouldn't talk. I think i tried using it once... and gave up. I just like to antagonize everyone about it since i usually tend to hear more people hating it than loving emacs. [11:32] lol [11:32] The-Croupier: does it really hurt you that much to scroll up a couple of screens to see we're talking about emacs vs vi. [11:32] emacs = useless waste of disk space [11:33] is there any reason why there is an old (1.5.1) version of audacious in -current ? (the latest version is 2.1.0) [11:33] agentc0re|work: yeah, people use what they want and what works for them as far as I am concerned :) [11:33] M-x kill agris [11:33] hh [11:34] BP{k}: Totally. In the end, that's all that really matters. [11:34] Action: rrh gets excited looking at all the goodies in -current, compared to his 11.0 slack. [11:34] BP{k}: So my freaking PC died sunday as i was about to upgrade to -current64. [11:34] :( [11:35] BP{k}: MB died.. [11:35] agentc0re|work: :( how'd that happen? [11:35] agentc0re|work: ah fuck :( that stinks. [11:35] BP{k}: the truth is that yes.. it does..since im using irssi, i dont have the mouse working, nor the touchpad, and the terminal screen is well small... after a /clear it gets really messy :( [11:35] BP{k}: sorry for being a pain today, [11:35] The-Croupier: then don't use /clear ;) [11:36] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [11:36] ok /clear ;) [11:36] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:36] The-Croupier, haven't you heard of gpm service? [11:36] BP{k}: Totally. Whats even worse is that on the EVGA website it's not showing me that i registered my motherboard. Because of that, instead of my "Limited lifetime warranty" i only have a 1 year warranty. However i am hoping that they cut me some slack as i found an email when i created my EVGA account and it was the same time i bought this stuff... And i could swear up and down that the whole purpose of my creating that account was to register my [11:37] The-Croupier: Then don't use irssi :P [11:37] agentc0re|work: you know any other terminal based irc-clients [11:38] epic [11:38] etf (i=c8a34385@gateway/web/freenode/x-0da784377a691839) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:38] ircii [11:38] etc [11:38] bitchx at last [11:38] lol [11:38] heh. [11:38] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] The-Croupier: there ya go :P... and i'm just giving you crap anyways. irssi is nice. [11:39] etf (i=c881b043@gateway/web/freenode/x-0a0b573355e4783c) joined ##slackware. [11:39] however irssi for me is one of those things that just makes my head explode at the end of the day. [11:39] agentc0re|work: ;) noworries.. ;) [11:39] i didnt like bitchx, neverseen epic.. but thanks for the info..ill try [11:39] irssi, is well nice... and configurable ;) got used to it now [11:40] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [11:40] :) [11:40] once you get used to it then it is nice. [11:40] but that getting used to it takes time. [11:40] everything gets time [11:41] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/10/1237245/College-Credits-For-Trolling-the-Web?from=rss LOL!!! [11:42] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [11:42] agentc0re|work, i wish my school did that, i could have gotten a PhD in a week [11:43] epic looks nice.. [11:43] Action: The-Croupier reading the manual [11:43] agentc0re|work: "lifetime" almost always means "life of product" ie. when they quit makeing it your warranty ends. [11:43] that how to lose your job on facebook post...the boss should have fired her in person instead...instead of "don't come back except to get your things" should have been "meet me in my office in the morning" [11:44] edman007: heheh. [11:44] edman007: Maybe thats why we've had so many jackoff's in here lately? [11:44] maybe.... [11:44] there must be science beyond that [11:45] XGizzmo: Oh i know... What i was trying to say is that since it's not showing my product registered i am only getting a 1 year warranty. I just quoted the other one... for no reason really. [11:45] maybe you need a degree in Rockey Surgery? [11:45] Action: edman007 gets a degree in 1337 tr0||ing [11:46] yeah, and in your d1p|0ma it's written that style, so anyone could understand that [11:46] :P [11:46] Action: panzer steals edman007's 1337 degree [11:47] Action: edman007 tackles panzer [11:48] laugh [11:51] that spells ID ten T all over it. [11:52] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [11:52] cfdisk: fatal error: cant not open drive. lol does that mean a bad drive? :/ [11:52] try it with fdisk [11:53] agris: did same error [11:53] LF4: means you put the wrong disk device in or tried to use a partition instead of a disk [11:53] well. Unable to open /dev/hda [11:53] isn't there sda? [11:53] Zordrak: but I could mount /dev/hda1 [11:54] anyone here got a HTC touch? get someone to sms you '%n' [11:54] omg [11:54] Action: agris after wine. beer disappoints me this evening [11:54] wine.. nom nom nom [11:54] agris: lol [11:54] lol spook, my coworker sitting next to me had an HTC touch... now he has a Diamond [11:55] can you do the same thing on that? [11:55] awww [11:55] dunno, text him and see if it crashes [11:55] spook: LOL [11:55] spook: sms hack ftw! :P [11:55] I'm getting the htc touch pro [11:55] gg taiwanese programming [11:55] lol [11:56] asus bioses are the same in their general shittyness [11:56] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:59] it doesn't work [11:59] awww. [12:00] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:00] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.120.220) joined ##slackware. [12:00] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.83.146) joined ##slackware. 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[12:05] Alan_Hicks: looking at something expensive. [12:05] Optionally, switching these machines back on once power has been restored would be very nice, but not a requirement. [12:06] spook: Yeah I know. :-) APC has some that aren't too expensive. They include a USB port and a serial port, but say both cannot be used silmutaneously, so their low-end hardware doesn't look like it'll do what I need. [12:06] cant have one machine control the other? [12:06] no, they have one... i forget the exact model... we haev one on our core switch [12:06] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] Alan_Hicks: What is the total watts between the PSUs? [12:07] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) returned to ##slackware. [12:07] get a power meter. [12:07] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) returned to ##slackware. [12:08] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) returned to ##slackware. [12:08] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89B5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) returned to ##slackware. [12:08] Dominian: I'm not sure. Customer just phoned it in to me so I'm doing background research. It's not much though. Two servers running maybe 350W PSUs, a KVM switch, and an LCD monitor. Only the servers themselves require uninterruptable power of course. [12:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:09] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-75-54-86-0.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:09] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) returned to ##slackware. [12:09] Alan_Hicks: hrm... [12:09] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [12:09] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-188-245-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:09] Alan_Hicks: You could probably get something like a 1500VA, but you'd wanna check what the uptime is for differnet loads [12:09] Alan_Hicks: If you're look for one to two hours.. you're probably looking at a bigger UPS [12:09] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-12-114.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:09] Dominian: Yeah, that's all I need size wise, but the multiple graceful stops is giving me some research fits. [12:10] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] SuN (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got lost in the net-split. [12:10] Alan_Hicks: hrm [12:10] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [12:10] etf (i=c881b043@gateway/web/freenode/x-0a0b573355e4783c) left irc: [12:10] Alan_Hicks: You'd probably have to get one that does either multiple USB ports to PCs.. .or that is network accessible and uses SNMP to send signals. [12:10] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.100) joined ##slackware. [12:10] or, am i just crazy, but what about two upses? [12:10] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [12:10] spook: cost [12:11] Dominian: Right. Multiple USB ports is simpler and easier. Plus, I wouldn't have to run the switch on the UPS which is a bonus. 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[12:11] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:11] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-75-54-86-0.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Client Quit [12:11] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:11] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:11] Alan_Hicks: Yeah.. I think TrippLite makea couple of those models.. However, if you have it in your budget, I highly recommend APC. [12:12] APC UPS's have this "Smart-Sot" on the back for optional accessories. I'm trying to find on their web site if I can purcahse an add-in card to do what I want. [12:12] Ok, I'm still stuck with Slack and LDAP. I now compiled nss_ldap and "getent passwd" shows my ldap-users. But password authentication doesn't work. On other LDAP clients I have the setting "pam_crypt local" and "pam_password crypt". Is there anyway to implement this without PAM? [12:12] Yeah. I've always used APC. [12:12] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:12] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:12] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:13] Dominian, actually, some no-name apc works as well as apc, just like apc fails as well as no-name [12:14] agris: Umm [12:14] When considering the data that's on these servers [12:14] Dominian, actually, some no-name apc works as well as ups, just like apc fails as well as no-name [12:14] I would NOT use a no-name [12:14] sorry :) [12:14] ergh [12:14] APC's warranty against failures surpasses anything a no-name can provide. [12:14] Action: Alan_Hicks would not sell his clients a no-name wither. [12:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:15] agris: I'm glad you don't work for me.. I'd slap you right now :) [12:15] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.101.83.146) left irc: "Leaving" [12:15] Dominian, warranty is great, but when your server fails because of apc, there is no big deal of warranty :) [12:15] Dominian, thank you :) [12:15] agris, that's a really silly way of looking at it [12:15] agris: The point being, a no-name appliance isn't going to offer the same type of warranties that APC can and does. [12:16] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [12:16] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [12:16] well, let's say this way... old time apc work till now. just change those 6 things, don't know english name, and go further... novadays... sorry [12:16] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) got netsplit. [12:16] Hydroponx (n=hydr@68.113.115.239) got netsplit. [12:16] pinnen (i=pinnen@h-44-58.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) got netsplit. 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[12:17] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] agris: Name me one UPS manufacturer with the reputation/warranty that APC has. [12:18] Dominian: There are other UPS manufacturer's? ;) [12:18] agentc0re|work: hehe [12:18] TrippLite.. but I detest them anymore [12:18] Dominian, em, what i was trying to say, if your server is down just because ups didn't work what expected, then there is no difference - apc or no-apc [12:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:18] agris: That's a moot point. [12:18] The discussion was about using no-name .vs APC for a client. [12:18] UPS probably didn't work because the battery is dead... [12:18] Everything fails.. there is no 100%.. but I guarantee if my UPS fails with APC, I'll have one the next day. [12:18] Or you didn't setup your scripts to shut your server down correctly. [12:19] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.133.33) left irc: "Saindo" [12:19] Dominian, it's ok in US or in west EU, I suppose [12:19] here it just don't work :) [12:19] what's the command to adjust resolution on displays from terminal [12:19] agris: makes no sense, but whatever [12:19] Greetings everyone. :) [12:19] Ya, we've had a few battery replacements with them. I've been 100% satisfied because they've sent return labels to dispose of the bad ones and we've always gotten the batteries with in a few days or the very next day. [12:20] fire|bird: Dood! So yesterday when i logged off i was going to update to -current64. Then on reboot my PC didn't come back up. [12:20] Dominian, i had two different apc failing one after other, and there was no replacements next day nor next week [12:20] fire|bird: MB died. :( [12:20] so, sorry :) [12:21] agentc0re|work: yikes. My pc almost didn't start today either, third try it did though. It says something about Auxilary something failure. :/ [12:21] agris: Well then you're supplier sucks. [12:21] Dominian, you are right [12:21] agris: Or you had no wrranty.. which is a pity and not the manufacturers fault. [12:21] agentc0re|work: Which I'm assuming can't be good. :P [12:21] there is warranty [12:21] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] it just don't work so fast... [12:21] It does for me. [12:21] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:22] therefore I say, US or west EU is not just like here. So here it is a little bit different [12:22] fire|bird: Maybe your bios battery is dying? [12:22] hmmm [12:23] agentc0re|work: Could be, I replaced it sometime last year, but anything is possible. [12:23] fire|bird: Might want to check your warranty.. I wish i would have sent my MB back months ago because i'd been having some USB issues on it. [12:23] do you know where AUTH for sendmail is cofugured in slack ? [12:24] agentc0re|work: I haven't had any issues, just all of a sudden this message shows up, after the Dell logo and before lilo. This pc is from 2004. [12:24] agentc0re|work: needless to say, I'm making sure all my stuff is backed up. :P [12:26] jeff_ (n=jeff@cpe-72-191-23-217.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:26] ok, is there real offtopic channel in freenode? [12:26] ktos, you need your authenticator, cyrus or the "other one" [12:26] Nick change: jeff_ -> vizsla [12:26] dovecot='the other one' :) [12:27] yeah, couldn't recall the name- thanks [12:27] mancha: what about rc.sasld ? [12:28] fire|bird: what dell model is this? [12:28] agentc0re|work: Dimension 8300 [12:28] xrandr -- thanks! [12:29] if you're using nvidia drivers [12:30] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [12:30] you can run nvidia-settings [12:30] ktos, that sounds promising, slackware probably somes with one of the two mentioned, probably cyrus [12:30] wrong channel [12:30] which then means sendmail was compiled with the right flags [12:30] Neo_The_User (n=MaTriX@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Davide (n=Davide@219.136.167.4) joined ##slackware. [12:30] how do you upgrade from slackware 12.2 32-bit to slack64-curret? [12:30] *current [12:30] it wont work [12:31] Neo_The_User: You'd probably be better of doing a fresh install of slack64. [12:31] s/of/off/ [12:31] ah ok thanks [12:31] Neo_The_User (n=MaTriX@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("America's Army - The Official US Army Game"). [12:31] at first, do you understand difference between 32bit and 64bit OS? [12:31] agris: Well, that was quick, he's gone. :P [12:31] *it's twice as good! [12:31] howdy BP{k} [12:31] fire|bird: how goes? [12:32] BP{k}: lol [12:32] BP{k}: excellent, thanks. Just getting my desktop backed up in case the error I'm getting is a precursor to something bad happening. :P I backup frequently the way it is, but I'm just double checking stuff. [12:32] you? [12:33] fire|bird: not bad. :) [12:34] fire|bird: yeah, I have to run backups tonight before going away. :) [12:36] What I should eventually do is get rsync set up to just do it automagically, but for now, good ol cp is working good. :P [12:36] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] pryda (n=pryda@c83-249-128-34.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:36] fire|bird: yeah, that's how I have set it up, I need to rework the script some, but basically nfs mount + rsync [12:37] Davide (n=Davide@219.136.167.4) left irc: "‚»" [12:38] why do chinese choose hebrew nicknames? [12:38] BP{k}: my backups are to an external hdd. I also backup certain things up to DVDs. [12:39] fire|bird: how do you do incremental backup with cp, or you are not worried about that? [12:39] agris, rsync [12:40] edman007, i do use rsync blablabla, i just ask a guy how it is possible with cp, if it is [12:40] its not, cp just copies, it does not diffing [12:40] ok [12:41] alias cp=rsync [12:41] hmm? [12:41] Simple, clear purpose and principles give rise to [12:41] complex and intelligent behavior. [12:41] Complex rules and regulations give rise to [12:41] Channel flood from The-Croupier -- kicking [12:41] simple and stupid behavior." [12:41] The-Croupier kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:42] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [12:42] actually, i'd be glad to know the best way to backup windows shares to linux box [12:42] rsync still fits best [12:43] That depends on a number of factors, perhaps most importantly the size and complexity of your windows shares. [12:43] agris: Actually, I just use cp, no rsync or anything fancy (yet) so I really, atm, just remove the old and copy over the new. :P [12:43] 70-100GB, two of them [12:44] How often do you need to back them up? [12:44] every night [12:44] Do you need multiple backups? [12:44] gaurav_ (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [12:44] that woudl be great [12:44] s/woudl/would [12:44] anyone know of a good webcam recording/viewing app that does gspca? [12:44] Nick change: gaurav_ -> Guest3664 [12:44] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:45] agris: rsync is definitely the thing to use then, with a little trick from cp as well. [12:45] I have a PoS webcam that only works with aMSN, but nothing else seems to work [12:45] it uses the gspca_sonixb driver [12:45] NthDegree: Only app I can think of is cheese, but I'm not sure what all it can do or what deps it has. I think it's included in gnome, so may have gnome deps. [12:46] fire|bird: anything that can just view it maybe? lol [12:46] cheese didn't work for me when I last tried it [12:46] Guest3664 (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:46] i think something like kopete might help [12:46] im not sure about deps though [12:47] agris: http://pastebin.com/m204533c [12:47] NthDegree: Well, Kopete has webcam support. :P Aside from that, I'm not sure, I don't have a webcam at all. [12:47] The-Croupier: If you have KDE installed, kopete is already installed too. :P [12:47] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:48] yep i guess [12:48] agris: You may not need anything that complicated, but it should show you how best to handle multiple backups with rsync. [12:48] NthDegree: Spcaview, Spcaserv, and Spcacat? [12:48] agris: Pay special attention to the rsync_backup() function. [12:49] Alan_Hicks, i surely try this... [12:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [12:49] agris: That can backup 100GB to a 120GB drive approximately a bajillion times if the data doesn't change much. [12:50] fire|bird: Kopete failed too - this PoS only supports certain video encoding or something :( [12:50] chopp: trying that now [12:50] NthDegree: http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html [12:50] NthDegree: get a new webcam, or, if you got a camcorder and tv tuner card (or some card with composite (rca) jacks, you could use that. :P [12:51] Alan_Hicks, actually, as far as I look into your script, i have been searching for your idea a long time. [12:51] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:53] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A76CA8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:57] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [12:57] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [12:58] agris: Yeah, took me awhile to get it right. [12:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427534.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:58] There's still some issues with certain SATA chipsets, but I've worked around them. [12:58] Anyhow, lunch time. Gotta run. [12:59] fire|bird: I will get a new webcam soon enough lol [12:59] y0 [12:59] damn [13:00] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89B5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[13:13] hello [13:13] NthDegree: lol, get one that works. :P [13:14] y0 slackytude [13:14] y0 fire|bird [13:14] hows it going [13:14] going excellent, thanks. you? [13:15] fire|bird: spcatools even fails :P [13:15] everything except aMSN [13:15] fire|bird, doing fine :D [13:15] agris: rsnapshot would be a solution for you that you can implement on a Linux NAS running Unslung or openwrt: see also http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:rsnapshot [13:15] NthDegree: that's odd that only that would work. :P [13:16] trying to install libexiv2, but i can't find any package [13:16] fire|bird: libng is used with aMSN for webcam support and it has a special plugin for my webcam by the looks of [13:16] LF4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "working on this old computer project." [13:16] so I grabbed xawtv.. and it doesn't use the libng plugin :( [13:16] anyone who knows where to download libexiv2 ? [13:17] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:17] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-0150.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] hey, alienBOB, i'll look that, too. [13:17] nimrod, i am sure you google'd already right? [13:17] Thanks for alienBOB and Alan_Hicks for now [13:18] yes, i googled, mancha [13:18] i aint sure of what to look for, cause i'm using slackware, and i'm a newbe [13:18] What did you find nimrod [13:18] and the first google hit didn't jump out at you and say "look at me!" [13:18] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] What version of Slackware nimrod [13:18] 12.2 [13:19] i found only RPM packages [13:19] http://www.exiv2.org/exiv2-0.18.2.tar.gz [13:19] thanks [13:19] That is the source [13:19] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/exiv2/ [13:20] that took me all of 2 milliseconds [13:20] nimrod, I once again point you to sbopkg.org [13:20] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/exiv2/ has a package for 12.2 [13:20] It is part of the upcoming 13.0 [13:21] hehe,cool [13:21] what're the 3 most notable things in 13.0? [13:21] thanks, slackytude and mancha [13:21] and alienBOB [13:21] heh, 3 most notable changes depending on who you are... [13:21] pryda (n=pryda@c83-249-128-34.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Lämnar" [13:21] nimrod, welcome, slackbuilds is a good place to go to find things if you're not comfortable packaging things yourself [13:22] xorg without xorg.conf [13:22] kde 4 [13:22] new package format [13:22] heh [13:22] kde 4 is bleh... not that i use a DE [13:22] xfce 4.6 then [13:23] i've been using openbox for years :P [13:23] Necos: I beg to differ about that. :D I'm using kde 4.3 right now. :D [13:23] ok, i see, mancha [13:23] 64bit Slackware port, and the ARM port is catching up [13:23] for me kde 4 and 64 bit. im so excited. [13:23] fire|bird: like i said, i dont use a DE [13:23] :P [13:23] I know [13:24] DE is kind of a waste, since i never see my desktop anyway [13:24] does the arm port play nice with nokia tablets? [13:24] oh right 64bit and ARm [13:24] heh, kind of slipped my mind [13:24] mancha: not yet [13:24] Action: Necos refers to his statement about "depends on..." [13:25] ARMedslack is the best name, ever [13:26] i keep hoping to see pam in each release... [13:26] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [13:27] I guess sooner or later, there will be [13:27] pam will _NEVER_ for the forseeable future be in slack [13:27] says you? [13:27] thrice`, Necos is really pat [13:28] whatever the gripe was before, it's surely resolved. pam is stable, scaleable, and in use in all serious distribs _except_ slackware [13:28] lol [13:28] I guess so :) [13:28] pam is quite the complicated beast, at least in my experience... i've only used it in fedora though... [13:29] it is. hardly ever found a need for it. you have to jump some hurdles sometimes but most stuff works without it [13:29] mancha, the grips was it can sometimes be mean and lock you out, and they did have security issues in the past [13:29] most of that is a non-issue now though [13:29] yes, those security issues are gone. [13:29] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.3.234) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:30] slackytude, some laptops have fingerprint readers...you need pam to use those [13:30] unless you disable the fingerprint reader :P [13:30] i'll keep being a 1-man advocacy group for pam inclusion then :) [13:30] edman007, hrm, not sure if thats the only option. its probably the easist thoo [13:31] slackytude, well most security hardware needs pam to work (maybe there are other ways, but i have not seen them) [13:31] need pam? Just use a distro that supports it. [13:32] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5A32.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Which is..like..every other distro [13:32] mancha: it isn't 1 man by any means [13:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:32] there are more of us? [13:33] Yes [13:34] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:41] thrice`: extremely late to the party [13:41] Like..switching to horse and buggy while everyone else is driving around hybrid/electric cars [13:42] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Is it _really_ that important, though? [13:42] heh... to some it is apparently... [13:43] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:43] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:44] my brother has been trying to get direct rendering on my other laptop for the past 3 weeks :/ I tried for about 6 months then gave up [13:44] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [13:44] which video card raela|alt ? [13:44] ati radeon 3100 hd [13:45] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] are those supported yet? [13:45] the closed-source driver won't work on newer kernels [13:45] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-202-127.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:46] you should be able to get direct rendering from the xorg radeonhd driver, no? [13:46] yeah.. he got the latest kernel possible and has been trying to fight catalyst drivers on. told him to try the open source radeon hd [13:46] I had a kernel that supported ati drivers, but not direct rendering. however, I couldn't get the open source drivers to work [13:46] does xorg list the 3100hd as supported for direct rend? [13:47] when I was googling, I found people who got direct rendering working [13:47] are you on -current, or 12.2? [13:47] 12.1 actually [13:48] unless he upgraded to 12.2 [13:48] well....obviously using a nearly 2 year old release isn't expecting the best results [13:48] you might need a new radeon driver [13:49] i use radeonhd 1.2.5 with DRI [13:49] 12.1 comes with 1.2.3 iirc [13:49] i just basically recompiled xorg from scratch (using x11.SlackBuild) [13:50] when I tried radeonhd, I tried to use what was there then tried to compile it, I believe [13:50] unless you have a specific reason for using 12.1, you should update [13:50] my bad, 1.2.1 [13:50] Action: slackytude is on 12.1 [13:50] just get a new radeonhd from xorg and use that. [13:50] I think x would only work with ati drivers.. other stuff I tried said it couldn't find screens [13:50] not only will you benefit from a newer driver, but the entire x.org stack + updated kernel [13:50] DRI is not introduced until 1.2.4 [13:50] specific reason is I'm lazy and don't upgrade [13:50] the kernel is updated [13:51] then don't expect it to work [13:51] readeonhd was in pretty heavy development around that time [13:51] isnt it always [13:51] I mean, I thought it was just getting started around then [13:51] pretty sure I tried to compile a newer version [13:52] can't check right now since my brother has the laptop [13:52] he has until saturday to try to fix it.. I'll tell him he might want to try to go to slack 12.2 [13:52] or a -current / 13.0rc2 [13:52] yeah [13:53] to which I bet will make it work out of the box [13:53] its ati [13:53] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [13:53] isn't current generally just for people who are fine with things in development and potential stability issues? [13:53] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Connection timed out [13:53] which obviously isn't me [13:53] especially given how lazy I am [13:53] raela|alt, yeah but its in rc2 [13:53] raela|alt: typically, but it's release-candidate right now [13:54] alright [13:54] it's sad.. I got that laptop to replace this one since the screen is on its last legs, but I still like this one much better [13:54] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] it has 35 vertical single pixel lines on it (4 years old). it used to have a huge white bar that went away today [13:55] http://pastebin.com/m7c22f241 <--- there ya go [13:56] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-2-210.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [13:57] how do i compile this: sbopkg-0.27.4-noarch-1_cng.tgz ? [13:57] you don't? [13:57] nimrod, you dont [13:57] mm, x-server 1.5.0 was about the worst release in xorg history :D [13:57] nimrod: you don't [13:57] nimrod, you installpkg it [13:57] ok [13:57] nimrod, coz it is already a slackware package [13:57] thrice`: works fine for my purpose ^_^ [13:57] i heard it was really bad for intel cards though [13:58] i see [13:58] would try it now [13:58] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] I don't think I ever want another ati card.. stupid, probably, but this intel card worked so much easier [14:01] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:01] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. 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[14:06] I'll upgrade it myself if that version doesn't work [14:06] nimrod, http://sbopkg.org/docs/sbopkg8.txt [14:07] andli (n=sbtr@c-b7d0e555.027-95-6e6b7011.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:07] nimrod, just execute sbopkg and look how far you come [14:07] nimrod, I find it to be pretty intuitive [14:07] makerc (n=makerc@189-18-201-14.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:07] ok, thanks, sorry i'm new to this...i would read this you sent me [14:08] it should be pretty easy to figure out from the menu [14:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:11] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:11] yes, i understand it now. [14:11] DeeeeP (n=me@bl8-71-59.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:12] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[14:16] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:18] maybe slack 13 will be out by then ;) [14:18] 8ball says "Hell no it wont." [14:18] I have my doubts though [14:19] doubts for slackware, or the 8ball? [14:19] heh, it should probably say "maybe" [14:19] both [14:19] well, I move saturday and have to unpack my stuff which might take a bit [14:20] thrice`, the san francisco treat [14:20] changing one driver a reason to upgrade distrib does not make [14:21] Action: quasar does it for the nookie. [14:21] running old software on a workstation doesn't make sense [14:21] jeev: <3 [14:22] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-f5f6409faa7136d6) left irc: [14:22] i agree, thats why i am glad slackware comes with gcc [14:22] ok, try building the new radeonhd driver; the first thing your GCC will tell you is that your xorg version is too old [14:22] I'm not the typical user anyway. I just use irc, pidgin, listen to music, and browse the internet. sometimes mud/watch videos, would like to be able to play some games [14:23] raela|alt: actually, that's about the definition of an average user :> [14:23] phil01 (n=david@ua-83-227-136-194.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:23] of linux, though? I thought most people on linux do some sort of IT type thing, or at least some programming [14:24] nah [14:24] nah [14:24] Maybe 10 years ago [14:24] but not anymore. [14:24] phil01 (n=david@ua-83-227-136-194.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [14:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] haven't you heard?! slackware doesn't ahve devel packages because we dont have developers! [14:25] builds fine here [14:25] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] most people I know irl have never heard of linux, either [14:26] you know people in meatspace? Wow.. that makes you much cooler than me :P [14:26] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [14:26] eww people. [14:26] going to college does that :P [14:26] I made a collage once. [14:26] It didn't turn out very good, so I decided not to bother with those types of project anymore... [14:26] i'm trying to get my soon to be ex-gf to use linux on the eeepc i got her [14:26] mancha: 1.2.5 builds on x-server 1.4.x [14:26] ? [14:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGxkZKJHgeA&feature=fvw [14:27] LOL [14:27] I hate suggesting linux to people I know. they end up angry and trying to do silly things [14:28] raela|alt: One thing that I usually warn people about is: "This is a totally different system for using your computer. Expect it to take a while to learn." [14:28] "If you are not comfortable with that expectation - don't even bother." [14:29] eviljames: I had one friend go into it with very high end hardware a few years ago and not check any compatability lists/find out how to install things [14:30] I know his harddrive and wireless card didn't work.. I don't think his usb stick would work, either [14:30] That sounds like pebkac to me. [14:30] Maybe not a few years ago, but today it would almost cetainly be. [14:30] he only lasted a few days. he was quite angry and blamed linux [14:30] anyway, I need to take the dog to the vet. afk [14:31] that's always easy to do. [14:31] even jeev can figure linux out [14:32] are you kidding me? i'm the one that made linux happen [14:32] well, having "compatability lists" is kind of silly in any sense [14:32] I get a lot of Code 18 errors too at times.. but google has become my saviour [14:32] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:34] hrad (n=hrad@94.241.67.201) joined ##slackware. [14:35] tooly (n=tooly@e178143087.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:36] crumb (i=crumb@server1.tiltshellz.org) joined ##slackware. [14:36] hey guys [14:36] hi crumb [14:36] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:37] Please, help me with this: http://pastebin.com/d21384f61 . I am trying to install Kicad. cmake runs fine, but make gives errors for wxWidgets. I have installed wxWidgets and I can see them in /usr/include/wx-2.8 . [14:37] Hello, crumb! [14:37] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.73.193) joined ##slackware. [14:39] did you compile wx by hand? [14:39] Necos: I have used a SlackBuild pckage. [14:39] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [14:39] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: "~" [14:39] hmmm [14:40] out of 10, rate your paranoia. i'm about 7 think. [14:40] Necos: I am sure wxWidgets are OK. It is something with the package I have got for Kicad. It has also a include dir with some *.h files. [14:40] 6.5 or good/bad days. [14:43] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:45] kicad is probably using the wrong includes [14:45] Necos: OK. I think just that the one who made Kicad package did not make it well. It asks to install some libraries (like wxWidgets) not in the default dir but in a Kicad own dir. [14:45] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.15) left irc: Connection timed out [14:46] yesyes: 12, maybe 13.. [14:47] shik4nt4z4: what? [14:48] Necos: It asks to install wxWidgets in kicad-XYZ/include [14:48] it looks like you're compiling it without a slackbuild [14:48] Necos: I have compiled wxWidgets with a slackbuild but kicad... OMG [14:49] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-176-30.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:49] Necos: I don't know what to do. I know that the problem is in libraries but how to fix that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! [14:49] :-( [14:50] You may hate me for saying so, but the first step is reading. [14:50] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [14:50] a definitely more question and exclamation marks [14:50] Well, of course. [14:50] If possible, interrobangs. [14:51] shik4nt4z4: you need to start with ./configure --help | less [14:51] eviljames: I have read the COMPILING.txt and INSTALL files which are in the package... [14:52] and look at the options for setting where it looks for wx [14:52] Is this the source package you have? kicad-sources-2009-02-16.tar.gz [14:52] Necos: There is no ./configure [14:52] antiwire: Yes! [14:53] Necos: It uses cmake [14:53] then what does the compiling.txt say? >.> you need to figure out how to set the options [14:53] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Necos: I will check it again. [14:54] cmake... ¡_¡ [14:55] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-69-234-99-81.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] IT's probably somthing along the lines of cmake -DCMAKE_WXWIDGETS_PREFIX:VALUE="/usr/lib" or something equally bizarre [14:55] >.> [14:55] i'll package this mess [14:56] no :P [14:56] let him suffer for using cmake [14:56] lol [14:56] The guy is french, so there are some writing mistakes... [14:56] In files. [14:56] hi guys. installed ndiswrapper 1.14 to slackware 10.2 with 2.4.31 kernel. enabled ndiswrapper in rc.d/modules on reboot system freezes after loading ndiswrapper and net8185, "unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at address 00000000" [14:57] Maybe you should upgrade o.O [14:57] heh [14:57] antiwire: I was thinking to make a package too, but right now... [14:57] That's like..4 versions old [14:58] straterra: slackytude testing 10.2 to learn slackware. [14:58] Well..you should get the latest version [14:58] that's not learning :P [14:58] that's torture [14:58] straterra: slackytude: i need it for my old laptop. ok. [14:58] wd_, you probably wont get much help [14:58] it's building fine [14:58] slackytude: really? [14:58] 75% [14:59] wd_, yeah, a more recent kernel handles net8185 fine without ndiswrapper [14:59] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] wd_, so nobody is gonna debug that for you [14:59] slackytude: i c. [14:59] ok [14:59] since its solved [14:59] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] slackytude: i understand. [15:00] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.65.39) joined ##slackware. [15:00] at least, I think net8185 is in kernel now. pretty sure, but might be wrong [15:00] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [15:00] antiwire: Are you building Kicad? [15:00] yes [15:00] it's building just fine [15:00] cmair (n=cmair@host189-111-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:00] wd_: uhm..why do you need it for your old laptop? [15:01] wd_, why cant your laptop handles slack 12.2? [15:01] slackytude: i think ur right. [15:01] I might even write a decent build script for it now [15:01] antiwire: What did you do? [15:01] read the instructions [15:01] thats pretty hard [15:02] straterra: slackytude: toshiba 400cs / 2g hd/40meg ram/75mhz pentium had win95. [15:02] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:02] that's why. [15:02] antiwire: INSTALL or COMPILING.txt ? [15:02] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:02] wd_: That is a powerhouse! [15:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [15:02] wd_: Gonna do some protein folding on that badboy? [15:02] eviljames: yep [15:02] INSTALL [15:02] wd_, tried it? [15:02] hrad (n=hrad@94.241.67.201) left irc: "Leaving." [15:02] 83% now [15:02] slackytude: it works great. i'm impressed [15:03] slackytude: i had debian sarge on it and it crawled with sarge but woody zoomed. [15:03] wd_, I meant did you try a more recent slack? [15:03] or ,abby puppy or dsl [15:03] or ,maybe puppy or dsl [15:03] slackytude: now slack 10.2 is sweet..i'm learning slack from gentoo so i had 10.2 iso's already. i upgraded to test kernel but lap wont' boot. so i NEED 2.4. [15:04] oh [15:04] antiwire: I don't get it. Do I need to download something else? [15:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-172-65.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] I mean more. [15:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-172-65.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] slackytude: same thing with debian when i tried to upgrade to 2.6 kernel won't reboot always locks lol [15:05] wd, did you use ndiswrapper 1.1 (instead of 1.2)? [15:05] mancha: i got alien's tgz 1.14 and 1.15 but read to use 1.14 so i did. [15:05] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [15:06] antiwire: Have you passed some parameters to cmake? [15:06] mancha: on my testing desktop of 10.2 i can load the net8185 np..but when i modprobed ndiswrapper i got errors..so i tested it and put it in rc.d/modules and reboot and bamm. lol. [15:07] shik4nt4z4: I only passed a paramter to make it build for install into /usr [15:07] did you create a "build" directory? [15:07] what errors? [15:07] antiwire: Yes! [15:07] MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@kde/developer/asouza) joined ##slackware. [15:07] hey really stop yelling [15:07] antiwire: OK. [15:07] yeah that's funny [15:07] you're on your own now [15:08] antiwire: Why? I always write OK with uppercase [15:08] mancha: don't want to waste ur time...but if ur up to it prints a eip of stuff..the error "unable to hadle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000" and freezes system. [15:09] luceroz (n=luceroz@76.31.194.150) joined ##slackware. [15:09] I don't yell. [15:09] antiwire: What Slackware version are you using? [15:09] mancha: i have lilo so what command can i give at the boot prompt to not load net? i'm thinking i'm gonna have to chroot into box and ndiswrapper -e net8185. [15:10] why not just boot with the cd and edit /etc/rc.d/rc.modules? [15:10] boot into single user [15:10] -current [15:10] Necos: yep [15:10] mancha: how? sorry. [15:10] or boot into single user mode [15:11] antiwire: Is it Slackware-current or Slackware64-current? [15:11] 32 [15:11] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:11] mancha: yeah i must do that because i'm away from home and don't have cd [15:11] antiwire: I use 64. May it be a problem? [15:11] ... [15:11] type "linux single" at prompt [15:12] mancha: k [15:12] antiwire: I guess that means no. But it is still not working. [15:12] this whole time you've been bad mouthing the author of the kicad and now you tell us you are trying to build it on slackware64... [15:12] it just built fine for me under slackware-current 32 bit [15:12] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] lol. [15:13] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-121.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:13] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:13] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] antiwire: Sorry! [15:14] I just made a package too [15:14] lol [15:14] wtf is kicad anywho? [15:14] Necos: EDA, for making pcbs [15:14] For electronics. [15:14] ktos (n=ktos@adfp218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] if I wanted to create an iso with all the files located on the CD's / I just do this correct? /dir/files/$ mkisofs -o CD.iso * [15:15] it wont be bootable [15:15] wd, did you by chance install the windows driver under different ndiswrapper versions? [15:15] mancha: i'm gonna have to change lilo.conf to give me 5 sec instead of 3..typing that command was a close call. [15:16] acidkill: was that comment for me? [15:16] antiwire: I had no right to bad mouth the author of software but I am so tired. I was trying to install it all day long without getting out from the PC. [15:16] lf4: yes [15:16] one sec [15:16] wd, 3 seconds is short, i have 10 on some boxes and sometimes i miss the chance [15:16] acidkill: should I add the -sparc-boot option? [15:17] why don't you just hit the up key during the boot process? >.> [15:17] that stops the timer [15:17] im not exactly sure of what you would need to make it bootable. and i dont know if you ONLY need mkisofs or more tools [15:17] you need to add the bootstrap [15:17] i mean i turn around or scratch my ass and boom, 10 seconds passed [15:17] mancha: i got the driver from xp then loaded ndiswrapper 1.14.2.4.31.tgz, loaded driver ndiswrapper -i *.inf.. it loaded fine but when i modprobed i got error however lsmod showed ndiswrapper, but when dmesg didn't show device. [15:18] Necos: ok [15:18] to make the cd bootable [15:18] wd, did you get a prebuilt package or did you make it yourself? [15:18] http://i27.tinypic.com/6f09ro.jpg [15:18] acidkill: Alright thanks :) all the files I am useing are floppy boot files so I figure it should work. [15:18] shik4nt4z4: ^^ [15:18] wd_: First you need to make ndiswrapper -l [15:18] mancha: prebuilt [15:18] ie did you compile this: 1.14.2.4.31.tgz or did you dl a .tgz? [15:18] antiwire: NSFW? [15:18] thats your problem, who knows what kernel alienbob built that against [15:18] mancha: dl tgz [15:19] Necos: safe [15:19] lf4: if you can get into the installer, any source of files would be usable....you can mount a cd containing /slackware/ and do a 'hard drive' installation [15:19] Necos: screen shot [15:19] Necos: my proof ;) [15:19] i have to use my proxy to view, so wanted to make sure >.> [15:19] antiwire: So, it is ready? :-) [15:19] wd, if he provides the source to his package dl that and build it on your box [15:19] shik4nt4z4: works fine [15:19] shik4nt4z4: i did ndiswrapper -i *.inf then -l then modprobe.. wrong? [15:19] wd_: One moment. [15:20] acidkill: this is a side project right now (need to flash a new BIOS on this old system) then I will install slackware again. [15:20] mancha: well it said ndiswrapper 1.14-2.4.31 so i thought i was safe. [15:20] lol nice antiwire [15:21] so you use this to control the machines to cut PCB? [15:21] or you just design your PCB and export some file to be used in the machines? [15:21] the latter [15:22] ah [15:22] wd_: First of all you must always use the latest release. That is from my experience. [15:22] wd_: But one moment, once I saw a very good link... [15:23] I wanted to get me a reprap [15:23] shik4nt4z4: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ndiswrapper/pkg/10.2/ [15:23] antiwire: Can you put Kicad package on SlackBuilds? Please :-) [15:23] packages doesn't go there [15:23] http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome [15:23] only the slackbuilds and any patches [15:23] mancha: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ndiswrapper/pkg/10.2/ [15:23] mancha: see [15:23] humm mkisofs changed the file names from upper case all to lower case. :/ [15:24] lf4, there's a switch for that [15:24] gtludwig (n=Nelson@189.114.203.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:24] anyone tried a remote unattended slackware install ? [15:24] mancha: i c what ur saying i run a chance of diff kernels..ok. so i will find slackbuild and source for now on. [15:24] hmmm, antiwire, you have a widescreen monitor, eh? [15:24] wd_: Here, I have found the link: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Troubleshooting_HowTo [15:24] yeah [15:25] wd_: It is very good. It helped me a lot. [15:25] shik4nt4z4: ok [15:25] Nelson_ (n=Nelson@189.114.203.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:26] antiwire: So, do I have make problem because I use Slackware65-current. Or it is because I do something wrong? [15:26] Nelson_ (n=Nelson@189.114.203.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] wd, in this case that is important since it'll build a module against kernel headers [15:26] Action: acidkill looks at the bottle of glenlivet sitting on the desk.... [15:26] flausch_ (n=flausch@e179154242.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:26] so just dl the script, and run it on your box, make sure you point it to your headers, etc [15:26] shik4nt4z4: I don't know [15:26] I don't have the ability to run Slackware64 [15:27] mancha: ok [15:27] mancha: ty [15:27] shik4nt4z4: ty [15:27] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:27] I gues that I will have no Kicad then. [15:28] :-( [15:28] wd_: Is it working? [15:28] there is a slackware65?!! [15:28] mancha: gotta go hunting. i'm going to upgrade to 12 but i need a desktop 10.2 test box to try out things before i load on my very old lap. [15:28] shik4nt4z4: If you are running slackware64-current you need to be prepared to deal with this. There are comapt32 libs available and you need to understadn what that is all about. [15:28] The-Croupier: get with the times plz, slackware 65 has been out for sooo longg.. [15:28] jeezz. [15:28] if not, run 32bit [15:29] shik4nt4z4: im reading it now. but i think a slackbuild script and source might be best. [15:29] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:29] acidchild: i run slack32bit never tried anything else..my lapie is not that good [15:29] wd_: That too. [15:29] "| [15:29] wut [15:29] wut?? [15:30] something wrong with you sir if you think there is ever gonna be a slackware65. [15:30] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) left irc: Connection timed out [15:31] Slackware128-current :-) [15:31] theres everything wrong with me sir... ;) been trying to design bank systems all day working with numbers...etc.. im gone ...:( [15:31] slack65 runs my holodeck [15:31] Ok. Thank you everybody for your help. [15:31] anyone tried a remote unattended slackware install ? [15:31] acidchild: and someone mentioned it above..;) [15:31] okay how do i boot slackware CD on a system with 32mb? [15:31] 12.2 [15:32] shik4nt4z4: one day one day! [15:32] :-) [15:32] shik4nt4z4: i want one of them sony Cell servers [15:32] rawr.. [15:32] 22:27 < shik4nt4z4> antiwire: So, do I have make problem because I use Slackware65-current. Or it is because I do something wrong? [15:33] acidchild: ;) that is what i was refering to..;) [15:33] i keep getting kernel panic [15:33] Chakravanti, slowly [15:33] even with huge.s [15:33] acidchild: I have one. [15:34] acidchild: I play CS on it. [15:34] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:34] Action: acidkill hands acidchild http://www.thesunblog.com/gourmetgal/scotch2.jpg and http://rhetteinjyun.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/jul3107-joint1.jpg ;-) [15:34] antiwire: Is it possible that make does not work because wxWidgets are compiled for 65bit system? [15:35] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [15:35] lol [15:35] hahaha [15:35] you see ;) i was right someone has a 65bit system ;) [15:35] lol [15:35] 64 shik4nt4z4 [15:35] 64 [15:35] says out of memory [15:35] i thought it should boot even on systems with low memory [15:35] Chakravanti: it has to do with the way the cd is made [15:36] ok [15:36] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] acidkill: hold that thought [15:36] shik4nt4z4: I don't know. I am writing a .SlackBuild for it right now [15:36] Necos: You mean the -U option? Even when I did that after mounting the iso all files show in lowercase. [15:36] so what should i do with the CD instead? [15:37] i would really like to install slackware on this compuer [15:37] antiwire: I will be the first one to test it then. :-) [15:37] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/isolinux/README.TXT <--- refer to this [15:38] What is the point of using cmake over regular ./configure anyway? [15:38] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-10-83.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:39] acidkill: your roll? :> [15:39] ... [15:39] that doesnt really helpme that much [15:39] i roll blunts well, but my joints are kinda iffy [15:39] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:40] they start not burning well, but 1/4 way in they are good [15:41] footballs [15:41] blunts also go well with scotch =D [15:41] and IPA [15:41] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-10-83.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [15:41] rolling is wastful anyway [15:41] hell yah [15:41] argh, i can't find the article... [15:41] blunt and a coffee or beer yum [15:41] puff puff pass [15:41] Chakravanti: i dont smoke sinsemilla 95% of the time, which helps [15:41] but it mentions something about adding -boot 32 or something similar to the mkisofs command before you burn it [15:42] vizsla (n=rawr@unaffiliated/vizsla) joined ##slackware. [15:42] acidkill: http://7a69.co.uk/~ash/goodnight-25.jpg [15:42] lol [15:42] yeah [15:42] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.39) left irc: [15:42] for flavor a pipe is the way to go with good stuff [15:42] if i smoke sinse like that regularly i'd def be hittin it outta a bong [15:43] -boot-emul maybe [15:43] gtludwig (n=Nelson@189.114.203.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [15:43] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.33) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Chakravanti: sometimes i dont wana always stress my lungs. [15:43] :) [15:43] shik4nt4z4: more portable (especialy to windows), and much nicer to work with (from the developer's point of view) [15:44] cmake? [15:44] there are techniques for hitting pipes and bong that dont stress your lungs [15:44] yup. [15:44] -.- [15:44] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.33) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:45] hmm my cable is saturated; how kool am i? [15:45] lol [15:45] hmmm... but there are methods of using make under cygwin and nmake under windows, no? [15:45] yeah, though that's not as nice as cmake [15:45] no cygwin dependency, and can make visual studio project files, eclipse project files, or nmake makefiles [15:45] i've only used nmake personally... [15:45] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.33) joined ##slackware. [15:45] i like Schilly's Smake and Star tools [15:46] smake seemed interesting, altho he seems a bit conceited [15:46] i can deal with that; Sendmail's author is crazy! :) [15:46] and perhaps pridefull too [15:46] qmail is better IMO >.> [15:47] sendmail's source of twisted [15:47] eugh [15:47] agreed [15:47] definately not out the box necos [15:47] default accept and bounce == fail [15:47] agreed fred [15:47] but the sendmail cf madness just makes me want to puke [15:47] Action: fred <3 sendmail [15:48] Action: alienBOB <3 sendmail [15:48] the config files require a manual to understand >.> [15:48] require another brain [15:48] for sendmail [15:48] greetings fred,alienBOB [15:48] and then another manual just to understand the program itself [15:48] sendmail is good [15:48] Aye, sendmail requires better knowledge than the average channel visitor here... [15:49] But, the default setup should work for most [15:49] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) joined ##slackware. [15:49] alienBOB: i just find the syntax horrid for the config files... i still don't understand most of the options [15:50] geoff_k (n=geoff@cpc2-asht4-0-0-cust822.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] Nick change: moh2a -> MOHAA [15:51] Nick change: MOHAA -> mohaa [15:51] figuring out smb.conf was mounds easier [15:52] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:52] alienBOB suggestion for your pkgidr/perl-modules/* -- how about providing one all-all.tgz file along with pick-and-choose? i want it all but dont want to have to ftp individually. [15:52] Quiznos: what are you doing? [15:52] the right way is to use m4, but hacking .cf is so much easier [15:52] slurping [15:53] from Bob [15:53] cpan2tgz? [15:53] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.10) joined ##slackware. [15:53] yea [15:53] mancha, there is also a Build script that is useful [15:53] useful for? [15:53] well i just entered the dir and saw all the files but no BIG/complete file [15:53] mancha, building sendmail.cf etc [15:54] i never learned m4, and that's probably part of the problem [15:54] dive, i am very comfortable with sendmail which maes me default to hacking at .cf even though everyone would say m4 is the "right" way [15:54] mancha dont listen to the clowns, if you grok cf literally, go for it! [15:54] ah, i found the article i was talking about it [15:54] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [15:54] mancha, yeah I used to do that, and it is easier for a lot of things like relay server etc [15:54] alienBOB ? [15:55] shows the difference in the slack cds mkisofs commands [15:55] http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Unable-boot-12-disc--ftopict478387.html [15:55] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] eww [15:55] sendmail? [15:56] t_ (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [15:56] antiwire: Will you let me know when you will upload the Kicad SlackBuild? [15:56] postfix. [15:56] i think i saw slack_fish in ithe news lol [15:56] Chakravanti: the above is for you [15:56] Necos, qmail sucks too [15:56] it has a very small learning curve :P [15:56] dive if i force myself, i build the macro file :) [15:57] in comparison to sendmail [15:57] qmail was good 10 years ago [15:57] i stopped using it last year when i discovered postfix [15:57] still good now [15:57] shik4nt4z4: there will be no upload for a while. Submissions are not enabled at slackbuilds.org [15:57] qmail is still good IMO... [15:57] i'm testing the build script right now [15:57] YOS [15:57] Nick change: t_ -> t [15:57] your opinion sucks! [15:57] gtludwig (n=Nelson@189.114.203.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:57] congrats jeev, you're a dumbass :P [15:57] yay [15:57] brb [15:57] bewbs! [15:58] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:58] antiwire: Ok. [15:58] heh, speaking of which, i spoke to my friend in glendale yesterday :P [15:58] is Bob awake? [15:58] antiwire: Maybe you can upload it somwhere else for me to download? :-) [15:58] if i wasn't going to bakersfield this weekend, i would probably visit :P [15:58] aha, no submission for slackbuilds.org? that means v13.0 is due in less than 2 weeks (my prediction) [15:59] shik4nt4z4: I might, but it will be later [15:59] Quiznos, Bob is always awake and listening to our inane chatter through the great white telephone. [15:59] I will be offline for about an hour, then back on so stay around [15:59] dive i'd like a response to my suggestion from him [15:59] antiwire: Ok. Then maybe tomorow? In my country is 11:00 PM [16:00] shik4nt4z4: yeah whenever [16:00] according to this article, the bootloader went from using 2 megs to 16 megs... [16:00] mancha: submissions have been disabled for awhile now [16:00] Ok, see you tomorow guys! [16:00] gn [16:00] see ya shik4nt4z4 [16:01] chopp, ok - was just farting around with predictions anyways. [16:01] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [16:01] why did SBO disable submissions? [16:01] mancha: yes I understand :) [16:01] because 13 is so close to being official [16:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] one thing sbo could work on is backwards compat. if you notice, pat's security patches go back to who knows what slack v -100 [16:02] that'd be the case if it was since 13 hit rc status, but it sounded like it's been disabled for longer [16:03] sbo (and its contributors) focus on the newest version, sure, some builds work fine backwards but not all [16:03] Necos: they turned them off around rc1 [16:03] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Necos: http://slackbuilds.org/submit/ [16:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [16:04] that's why i said it "sounded" like it's been longer.... rc1 has been what? 3 weeks? [16:04] it would make sbo a bit more serious as the unofficial official repository (imho) [16:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-172-65.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:05] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-172-65.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] ah, chopp that makes sense (i hadn't read tjhe upload page) [16:06] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:06] damn, lxde is another hugey; [16:06] alienBOB !!! [16:06] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:06] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] hugey? [16:06] Quiznos: lxde is lightweight [16:06] hugely [16:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [16:07] fire|bird not the dir containing the pkg files [16:07] thrice`: I tried looking for that word on Websters, not found. :) [16:07] lol [16:07] haha [16:07] so now i'm undefined? [16:07] pff [16:07] Quiznos: I know, I've built it. :D It isn't that hard. [16:07] no no; many files in the pkgdir on Bob's site to ftp [16:07] lol [16:08] mirror.sh? :P [16:08] waboudit? [16:08] there is a website that as a mostly complete list of lightweight window managers xwinman.org [16:08] Quiznos: I know, that's what I used to build it. :P [16:08] mirror.sh? [16:08] Quiznos: Go build kde 4.3 and then see what you think of building lxde. :D [16:09] you're being dense and missing the pernt [16:09] IT'S NOT THE making of the pkg; it's the getting of files; the filecount is not small [16:09] i've been wanting to play with Enlightenment again, but it's died a horrid death [16:09] Hmm, websters doesn't understand pernt either. dang. [16:09] same prob wth perl-modules/ [16:10] fire|bird Archi Bunker-ism [16:10] or you can use cpan2tgz [16:10] holy crap when did mplayer become part of slackware/xap ? have I been gone that long? [16:10] lol damn dont you people know americanisms? [16:10] or americana? [16:10] Quiznos: Well, Necos suggested mirror.sh, what you do with it is your business. [16:10] hahaha cpan2tgz [16:10] ok [16:10] im all alone surrounded by americanidiots [16:10] lol [16:10] >.> [16:10] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-28.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Necos: \o/ were idiots. [16:11] no, americanidiots [16:11] i don't use cpan2tgz... i just build modules as i need 'em [16:11] dont know americana [16:11] Well, bbl. [16:11] later fire|bird [16:12] Quiznos: have fun. :D [16:12] yea [16:13] Quiznos: if you read carefully inside my repository, you will find a one-line command to download a complete package directory [16:13] alienBOB ty; i dont want everything you have; but in certain dirs, there's too much to be cliking each one. [16:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [16:14] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:14] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-141-176.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Quiznos: he gave you an answer tho... just download and delete what you don't need [16:14] Quiznos: what is so unclear about the sentence I just typed? [16:15] i'm suggesting another option. [16:15] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:15] alienBOB, is this one-line command rsync? [16:15] Quiznos, if this is rsync, just use --exclude [16:15] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:16] i was --exclude -ing source/ and kdei/ for the longest time on slackware-current and slackware64-current [16:16] TwinReverb: not the one I am referring to [16:16] oh [16:16] TwinReverb still have to review all that he has first [16:17] It's there to read for all who would take the trouble to read the README in the root of my repository [16:17] wget --no-parent -m http:// is this ok? [16:17] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [16:17] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) joined ##slackware. [16:17] reading? bah! humbug [16:17] alienBOB: aww, README-encrypted? That's not fair, too hard. [16:17] Nick change: crumb -> zz_crumb [16:17] And with that, the temporary ignore shield goes up [16:18] haha [16:18] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:18] fred- not targeted at you, that comment ;-) [16:18] lol [16:18] it is because of alienBOB 's README_CRYPT.TXT that i am using LUKS now [16:18] :p I was wondering [16:18] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] ;_; [16:18] damn [16:18] hmmmm [16:18] Ditto; encrypted / on my laptop (too lazy to partition my laptop properly) [16:18] mancha: yeah i'm gonna have to upgrade. i dl source ndiswrapper 1.14 and used checkinstall "which is awesome" and everything compiled ok, but loaded ndiswrapper and wam same errors something about NULL and virtual something. [16:18] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:19] Nick change: zz_crumb -> ango [16:19] ango (i=crumb@server1.tiltshellz.org) left ##slackware. [16:19] tooly (n=tooly@e178143087.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [16:19] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:19] mancha: mancha time to burn iso's. lol. [16:19] Is anyone here an electrician or have a good handle on home/mains electrical, I havea question about running some 4wire 230V [16:20] nah i went with encrypted /home and swap on LVM (that way / isn't encrypted, which can be a waste of time some times imho) [16:20] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [16:20] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] acidkill: what country? [16:21] Any reason why downloading this http://www.bootdisks.us/wp-content/bootable-cd-images/DOS6.22.iso and adding 3 files would cause the CD not to boot? [16:21] Quiznos: my question would be why are you bitching about having to download them when he's providing you a command (and if you want another option, figure it out yourself :P [16:21] lf4: that depends on how you added the 3 files [16:21] Quiznos: he provides the command to ONLY grab 1 directory [16:22] fred: I mounted the ISO copied the files to a dir and then made a new iso. [16:22] lftp -c "open http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds//; mirror build" [16:22] ok ok both [16:22] lf4: and did you pass the boot options to mkisofs? [16:23] fred: no I wasnt sure which boot option was the standard I saw one that was for sun systems. [16:23] StevenR_: the US. I have a welder that is 4conducter 230/240 and I want to move it from the garage to the shed at the back of property....i have enough 10/3 to run the distance and dont want to buy more, its about 150' from breaker box to shed. [16:23] Is it safe to use neutral as the ground? Can I ground to a different circuit that is already back there? [16:24] fred: mkisofs -v -o BIOS.iso * is what I used. [16:24] I dont wanna spend more on wire, as i already planned for 110 back there and got the 10/3 a few years ago, but now i have the welder.... [16:24] acidchild, should be fine [16:24] acidkill: I can't advise you. I don't know anything about US electrics. [16:24] acidkill, i mean [16:24] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0899.bb.online.no) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] StevenR_, they use electrons too [16:24] lf4: bootable CDs aren't just a matter of which files are present [16:24] StevenR_: thanks anyway =) [16:24] dartmouth: no problem using neutral as the ground? [16:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [16:25] see ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slamd64-current/extra/scripts/ for some example command lines [16:25] if it matter this is an OLD stick welder from 1970, not anything new [16:25] acidkill, i dont know what you're working on but i see no reason why not [16:25] slackytude: that's not the point. The wiring regulations, grounding/earthing rules, etc are likely to be all different. For example, what acidkill is describing is totally illegal in the UK. [16:25] StevenR_, I know, just making fun. Itd be illegal here as well [16:26] alienbob, any idea why slack is on gnutls 2.6.2? [16:26] StevenR_: this install would require a licenced electrician and a permit here, im 99% sure of that [16:26] Action: slackytude nods [16:27] last i checked, another 100' of 10/3 was $150+ at home depot [16:27] does anyone use any version/flavors of unix nowadays? [16:27] slackytude: (I'm really really pissy about electical work. (I did EE at univ too). I work alot in theatres with lighting and electrics.... got a shock once because someone thought the earth connection in a lantern was optional when they "maintained" it) [16:28] guys is it possible to use a current kernel on 10.2 i c online someone using 2.6.16, how about something current? [16:28] The-Croupier: if you count BSD. [16:28] it's not recommended [16:28] StevenR_, safety is always optional [16:28] Necos: oh [16:28] wd_: in that case it may be better to just use a recent slackware [16:29] zaltekk: i see... [16:29] recent wont boot for him [16:29] anyother? [16:29] StevenR_: ive done my fair share of electrical stuff low volt and home electrical, and ive learned quickly that people butcher everything, so never trust any of it =D [16:29] slackytude: ty [16:29] StevenR_: wouldn't neutral -> ground be fairly likely to trip an RCD too ? [16:29] RCD? [16:29] fred: assuming there are RCDs installed, it should. [16:29] acidkill: Residual Current Device [16:30] acidkill: measures current leakage to earth. [16:30] man if i had an EE degree I'd be building crazy shit. I should go back to school, or have the USAF pay for a new electronics background. I know the concepts but I'd really like to get advanced with it. [16:31] acidkill: basically, if there's > 30mA flowing down the earth wire (should be zero in all but a few cases), then it shuts off the supply [16:31] StevenR_: i am sure of 99% of the buildings in greece have no rcds installed [16:31] that sounds like ufo technology ;) [16:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] StevenR_: wiking it now. different name for a GFI it looks like [16:31] they're fairly common here [16:31] it's handy for things like lawn mowers, if you chop the cable, the supply goes dead. [16:32] really quite annoying if there's one in a room where you're trying to put 60 TFTs :( [16:32] wd_ do whatever works; the risk is yours. [16:32] fred: mandatory for new circuits actually, except for things like comp rooms [16:32] (nothing particularly wrong with the TFTs themselves, they just tend to have shitty transformers) [16:32] fred: ;) lol [16:32] fred: it's not the transformer. [16:32] oh? [16:32] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [16:33] fred: it's the switchmode switching. A transformer itself isn't grounded. afaict anyway. [16:33] wd, is compiling ndiswrapper not working out? [16:33] fred: $electrician working at work atm and I have been discussing it [16:33] man most of the building dont even have the lid on the top...for child protection and shit [16:35] acidkill: re people butchering everything: That's why I have a volt stick and a set of 1kV insulated tools. [16:35] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [16:36] The-Croupier, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX and OS X i believe are the only ones, BSD is not UNIX [16:36] which bsd is closest to unix old one? [16:36] xxjx: oops [16:36] xxjx: i see... [16:36] You might want to read the UNIX wikipedia page... [16:36] UNIX is more like 'standards' as opposed to an 'operating system' [16:36] did already... now trying to find one to download [16:37] solaris on the x86 isn't UNIX, either, not moreso than BSD. [16:37] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:37] The-Croupier, but the answer is FreeBSD [16:37] darthmouth, afaik arch is not a requirement to be unix or not [16:37] xxjx: wiki said the contrary system v...etc..etc [16:37] josefig_ (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) joined ##slackware. [16:37] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-69-234-99-81.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:38] there are so many... freebsd, openbsd,netbsd,...etc [16:38] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] those are unix-derived [16:38] put netbsd on your toaster ^_^ [16:38] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:38] The-Croupier they each have a differnt focus [16:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Group << the relevant wikipedia page [16:38] Arenics (n=Arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Necos, i did, but it kept trying to link to skynet, so my toast was getting threats burned into it with text. [16:39] what is better for codding Slackware or OpenBSD ? [16:39] Arenics, slackware [16:39] both [16:39] hahaha [16:39] lol [16:39] Arenics, what you are comfortable with [16:39] xxjx: I'm running openbsd, but I'm a little frustated [16:39] it depends on what you're coding... [16:39] yeah thats one of those questions where if you have to ask, the answer for 'you' is whichever is most compatible. [16:39] Arenics: why? [16:40] (meaning 'linux') [16:40] if you're writing linux code, then you should work in a linux distro... if *bsd, bsd... if it's web-related stuff, then it really doesn't matter [16:40] 'linux' code? [16:40] zaltekk: I'm begining at unix world and C code program language, I intend to use allegro game library for pratice some logical [16:40] yea, obviously can't write bsd kernel on slackware... [16:41] you can on debian tho.. [16:41] Arenics: i was asking why you are frustrated with OpenBSD. [16:41] xxjx, tasks aren't distro-specific. [16:41] but allegro doesn't running good for me in opbsd [16:41] kernel-code, or using libraries that are specific to linux [16:41] by now, it's no playing sound [16:41] http://imagebin.org/59033 np lol (safe) [16:41] Necos, doesn't exist, does it? [16:41] and I only can't run allegro with X11 [16:42] not in text mode [16:42] dartmouth, tasks aren't distro-specifc? [16:43] dartmouth: if you're writing a kernel driver for a network card, you're not gonna be coding it on BSD unless you have a linux distro running in a VM :P [16:43] zaltekk: and so... what about your opnion ? [16:43] Arenics: allego? i don't know what that is. [16:43] allegro is a graphics library [16:44] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:44] detail: OpenBSD project has modified some ANSI function to keep it more safe. [16:44] stick with Linux if you want to game programming, BSD is not made with gaming in mind, i am fairly certain the BSDs are intended to be for secure high traffic servers [16:44] zaltekk: allegro, www.allegro.org [16:44] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) joined ##slackware. [16:45] what's the easiest way to crop an avi off at a certain point? [16:45] Pig_Pen: I think you're right [16:45] protei (n=protei@95-28-76-7.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Pig_Pen, depends on who you ask ;) [16:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] raela|alt: use avidemux [16:45] i know this is a stupid question... but its been a coons age since i last attempted this... what is the syntax for sending a print job to a remote LPR host without adding the printer to printcap [16:46] evening all [16:46] gtludwig (n=Nelson@189.114.203.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:46] wsp4th: save yourself the trouble and use cups >.> [16:46] Necos: I dunno, I've always had better throughput with Cat5 than cups and string [16:47] lol [16:47] CUPS then sheesh... [16:47] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] :) [16:48] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:48] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:48] Action: Necos stabs fuzzbawl with a rusty nail [16:48] china and taiwan is getting hammered with heavy rain floods [16:49] good thing I have my tetanus shot [16:49] but slackware has a weak point to me, the software/package control [16:49] Pig_Pen: damn...not again [16:49] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Arenics: what do you mean? [16:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [16:49] Arenics, Some ppl think Slackware's pkg control is a strong point [16:50] i think the news travels slow where i live, [16:50] Action: The-Croupier is one of them [16:50] someone knows what packages contains libgtkmm-2.4.so.1 ? im using 12.2 [16:50] let me explaim (i don't speak english good) [16:50] josefig_, grep for it in /var/log/packages. [16:50] Arenics: thats because you want something like debian that handles dependencies [16:51] Necos: yeah ! [16:51] you get the point [16:51] then use debian [16:51] necos, how is korea town [16:51] then use debian [16:51] jeev, it's fine :P [16:51] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "\o\ /o/ \o/" [16:51] i dont believe that is a weak point per se... since you get to know what each package does/needs exactly [16:52] by yourself [16:52] I want not to install all of the softwares and libs to have a workstation [16:52] then install everything in x and xap >.> [16:52] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:52] use slackpkg too if that's not good enough for you [16:52] usually with a full install things tend to get a lot easiear [16:52] I've only used slackware, I never used another linux before [16:52] The-Croupier: and unsafe too... [16:52] not really [16:53] unsafe? [16:53] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:53] yes [16:53] the core slackware install is pretty heavily code-audited [16:53] Arenics: if you care to spend some time learning Slackware, you will profit from it if you want to keep using it [16:53] hows that unsafe, when you install everything with your own hand, you remove anything you dont use, [16:53] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [16:53] you know its dependencies, you modify it as you like [16:54] alienBOB: I know slackware since the 7.1 (as Desktop). I don't work with it [16:54] now something i learnt from a security class: " a system is as secure as its weakest link" [16:54] the user [16:54] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:54] slackytude: yep [16:55] the weakest link of security is people who don'tknowsecurity coding or pathicng thingsto make them secure [16:55] you can have the best security in the world, encryption,passwds,backups,....etc.. some stupid user goes rm -rf on / [16:55] and your done [16:55] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.100) left irc: Success [16:55] why would he have root access? [16:55] mancha: debian fiasco? :P [16:55] Necos, thats one example yes. [16:56] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [16:56] i think that was the best one in recent time (next to fetchmail) [16:56] good coder != good security/good crypto person [16:56] dakarn: cos you left the root open and you left the room :p [16:56] The-Croupier: all packs instaled to me, really mess the system. [16:56] IMO [16:57] ? [16:57] ? [16:57] hm... [16:57] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [16:57] let me explaim [16:57] bloat? [16:57] run ps -aux now, and tel me what you see [16:57] or do you not know what you're doing? [16:57] "oh hey, why don't i just limit the prng to 32768 possibilities? [16:57] The-Croupier: so you're saying that if i leave a root terminal open... then some noob destroys the system that it's his fault? [16:57] hahaha [16:58] here right now, I see less then 10 proc. [16:58] no, he's saying it's your fault [16:58] :P [16:58] thats the 2nd lesson of security, if someone has physical access all bets are off [16:58] icke@porta-slack:~$ ps aux | wc -l [16:58] 98 [16:58] its not like he needs you to leave root console open [16:58] oh wow. i leave powertools plugged in with winecorks jammed in the trigger mechanism to keep them running. and i place them on random spots in the stairs [16:58] there's no security without physical security [16:58] slackytude: that's what I'm speaking about. [16:59] Arenics, so what? [16:59] most of the time if they have a boot disk--your shit is gone [16:59] for who is starting on unix stud, it's not good have all of this proc. running [16:59] damn, one of my students is watching footage of the floods on CNN [16:59] what was the debian fiasco? [16:59] this damn building fell over >.> [16:59] Action: yesyes feels out of the loop [16:59] 42 [16:59] Arenics, how is that important? [17:00] i'm going to bed before i get trolled into rage [17:00] that's I got nnow running X11 [17:00] so the best advice is take your computer with the latest programs you need, stuff yourself in a bunker, and unplug all internet. [17:00] ok so whats the syntax for cups... sorry im old school... grew up on BSDi, Solaris and SCO [17:00] yesyes: someone in debian patched ssh to fix a "bug" and ended up making the sequence numbers in an ssh session guessable [17:00] yesyes there are no loops; just tangential curves. [17:00] mancha: still not secure [17:00] yesyes in Space [17:00] wsp4th, lp [17:00] Necos [ssh] nice! [17:01] mancha: i could send a 6ft blonde, with a bootable usb-slackware ;) and get everything ;) [17:01] lol [17:01] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1533212 [17:01] slacky lp is/was lpr [17:01] slackytude: It mess up the system at the point of you cant disting what is a SO proc what is users daemons.... [17:01] anyway what is the syntax for sending to a remote ip printer [17:01] and etc [17:01] wsp4th, greetings, btw. [17:01] i saw a commercial last night, lp0 was ACTUALLY on fire!!! [17:01] hey [17:01] rofl [17:01] ? [17:01] wsp4th, lp -d afaik [17:02] wsp4th all that is man'd [17:02] yeah, man lp [17:02] a Debian packager modified the source code of OpenSSL back in 2006 so as to remove the seeding of OpenSSL random number generator, which in turns makes cryptographic key material generated on a Debian system guessable. [17:02] it was openssl, my bad [17:02] Necos lol; thats rich [17:02] wow [17:02] god ur actually gonna make me work today? [17:02] Arenics, bollocks [17:02] slackytude: ? [17:02] wsp4th we all do [17:02] hah, okay. i've read the start of the reg's article on the ssl thing [17:02] debian is sometimes a very good example of why too many cooks results in horrible products [17:02] Arenics, I dont agree [17:03] i thought the first search result for 'debian fiasco' would turn out to be the debian homepage. so wrong! [17:03] a lot of distros are guilty of what happened with debian [17:03] yesyes: lol [17:03] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:03] slackytude: I want to have what I really need to keep the system light [17:03] Necos: what do you mean [17:03] as obsd [17:04] keeping* [17:04] patching bugs that introduce new bugs [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-28.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] how many people dev slackware? i've always thought that the fact we have one guy we can be fairly sure of slack's quality. with deb, i suspect there are loads. [17:05] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] yesyes: i dont believe pat does all the work alone... surely he gets some help [17:06] alot of help [17:06] nah, the other just give him amphetamins [17:06] but afaik the people that help...some of them here tonight [17:06] i've no idea. hence why i asked. [17:07] are the best ive seen in the last 15years [17:07] yesyes: Pat doesn't dev solely by himself, he has help, and yes, Debian has tons of devs all over the world. [17:07] slackytude: lol [17:07] the debian fiasco became a very hot debate, since the debian dev did email openssl dev and got an email which could be interpreted as go ahead [17:07] how many do we have, do you think? [17:07] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-78-119.flash.tv.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] then the openssl team responded that that email was not the actual dev list, but the "real" dev list was unknown to everyone [17:08] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] so there it went, back and forth with each side blaming the other. [17:08] Quiznos or anyone: my ISP told me they do not block ports.... [17:09] Action: slackytude tired, slackytude sleep [17:09] amphetamines [17:09] dchmelik ok [17:09] yesyes, somewhere you can read about the Slackware developers.... [17:09] bah [17:09] dchmelik now test that claim. [17:09] dsa or rsa? [17:09] i thought i did that yesterday [17:10] ok [17:10] i dint see [17:10] afk [17:10] dsa was the only affected one [17:10] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:10] no i ment which one is better to use... [17:11] is there a commend to get one's WAN IP address in GNU/Linux/Slackware? [17:11] a command [17:11] ifconfig eth0? [17:11] Necos, well if you are behind a router it shows something like a LAN DHCP address [17:12] my IRC client can get it, but it is GUI-based and it would be nice if there is a CLI tool [17:13] The croupier, use either one, is this re: ssh? [17:13] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [17:13] dchmelik: try this lynx --dump http://checkip.dyndns.com:8245/ [17:14] dchmelik: lynx -dump whatsmyipaddress.com | grep 'Your IP' [17:14] And lots more like that [17:14] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "trying to create an iso!" [17:14] chopp, alienBOB, that is good but kind of unfortunate there is not a simpler tool... or maybe my IRC client does stuff like that [17:14] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [17:14] dchmelik: is it not simple then? [17:14] Define simple [17:15] Action: slackytude waves [17:15] see ya slackytude [17:15] a command that is mainly for doing network stuff instead of accessing a web site [17:15] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A76CA8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "off I go, back I shall" [17:15] dchmelik: you _need_ the results of an external host to get your WAN IP [17:16] dchmelik: alias myip='lynx --dump http://checkip.dyndns.com:8245/' there, now you only have to type myip :P [17:16] lol [17:16] well, he needs to start a new terminal :P [17:16] ok im doint `cat httpd.conf | lp -d RAW -h 10.0.240.16:9100` and im getting lp: unable to print file: server-error-service-unavailable [17:16] wtf am i doing wrong [17:17] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleeps" [17:17] Is your print queue called "RAW" ? [17:18] this is directly to the HP DirectJet card [17:18] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [17:18] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0899.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [17:18] ok, alienBOB... chopp, that is what i was going to do--alias it [17:19] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:19] last i remember they all had a RAW print queue... but like i stated earlier its been a coons age since i last attempted to print directly to a printer without setting up printcap [17:20] sorry guys, something stupid maybe..but where can one just watch-movies online? [17:20] there are lots in google...but they are shit [17:20] The-Croupier, ##slackofftopic 8-) [17:20] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "RAH" [17:20] anyone attending summer breeze? [17:20] TwinReverb: i said sorry :( [17:20] ifreeman (n=ifreeman@autopilothosting.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] i was making a joke that you can watch movies in ##slackofftopic [17:20] you can't, obviously, but it was a joke [17:21] lol [17:21] i mean, maybe if i get out the AA plugin but i doubt you'd like them [17:21] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [17:21] the frame rate would be slow as @#$ [17:22] but watching the first matrix movie in AA is actually ironic [17:22] but if you're lucky your work can be immortalized in the form of animated GIFs and retold to later generations [17:23] merovingio (n=meroving@200.44.51.26) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] protei (n=protei@95-28-76-7.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] luceroz (n=luceroz@76.31.194.150) left irc: "leaving" [17:25] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.65.39) left irc: Connection timed out [17:27] exile (n=exile@adsl-69-224-94-181.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] hello [17:28] hello [17:30] how do I change console screen resolution ? [17:30] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:31] Quiznos, do you think my ISP would tell me they do not block ports if they do? [17:31] Arenics: you can change it in lilo if you just want a better text mode [17:31] vga=ext [17:31] that is 80x50 [17:32] often the twerps on the phone are confused and don't know about which ports are blocked. I've been told the wrong info before [17:32] dchmelik: thank you, but is there another way to do it ? [17:32] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [17:33] vga=ask [17:33] i have a problem. i forgot everything i know about linux [17:33] Pig_Pen: ? [17:33] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.10) left irc: "Leaving." [17:33] arenics: set that in lilo [17:33] it will prompt you [17:34] vga=ask will prompt you to press enter on the keyboard and then give you all available options for screen resolution and color bits [17:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Pig_Pen: ok, ty :) [17:34] ifreeman: ty [17:35] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "Caindo fora que hoje tem Raid!!!" [17:35] Arenics, do you want to do it when the system is running? i do not know how to do that [17:36] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5A32.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [17:36] josefig_ (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:36] i am not sure if you can change console screen resolution on the fly after it is booted up, (only in X) [17:36] anyone know a free PDF viewer that allows you to save pages? [17:37] well you can write a program to do it [17:37] to save filled out form pages? [17:37] no, just pages in a document [17:37] as if they were images [17:37] dchmelik: just print to a file (postscript) and then ps2pdf [17:37] ok, i think i understand... i will try that [17:38] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] you can even install a cups2pdf or something like that to do it automatically [17:38] I do not have cups going, but i have heard of the ps2pdf command [17:39] i think ps2pdf is part of the poppler package [17:39] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-141-176.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:39] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: "quitting" [17:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [17:39] KPDF does not seem to have 'print to a file' option in the 'print system currently used' box [17:40] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [17:40] wait it says it may output a .ps in ~ [17:40] pdf2ppm [17:41] er, pdftoppm (one of those two) [17:41] which is also part of poppler, iirc [17:41] afternoon [17:42] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:42] how are we doing on this fine monday evening [17:43] It's the afternoon, you insensitive clod! [17:43] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [17:43] if I had read what you wrote precisely 1 minute ago, I might not have made that comment.. [17:43] amazon10x: how about you? [17:44] one minute ago? how's that [17:44] i'm doing fine, thanks. i ordered some skates with two day shipping, so i've got some major anticipation going on [17:45] amazon10x: a minute before you said evening, you said afternoon. :) [17:45] i.e. what eviljames meant, if he'd read when you said afternoon, he wouldn't have said what he said "(2009-08-10 16:40:43) eviljames: It's the afternoon, you insensitive clod!" [17:47] in africa when they want to say "@#$ happens" they just say "ubuntu" [17:47] hahaha [17:47] I always refer to Ubuntu as Big Brown, so, yeah, that works.. [17:50] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: "Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, but it only takes four muscles to extend your a [17:50] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:50] oh, i see what i did there :P [17:51] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [17:51] ugh, brb.. gotta take a huge ubuntu [17:54] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] other_rafa (n=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] i just installed current , kde4 is so awesome! :D [17:55] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@mail.jjlane.com) joined ##slackware. [17:55] ++deco; [17:55] amazon10x: hockey skates or some other kind of skateS? [17:55] joannis (n=joannis@adsl-dyn219.78-99-108.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [17:56] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:57] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] lol @ ecil 14:51 [17:58] s/ecil/evil/ [17:58] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: "Leaving" [17:59] what i want to know is does kde 4.current have anything stellar over 4.2.4 [17:59] eviljames: more casual skates [17:59] tekzo (n=Babbel@5ad18398.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [17:59] deco: Indeed, kde4 is awesome. 4.3 is even nicer with the plasma air theme and a few other subtle but nice features. :) [17:59] http://www.inlinewarehouse.com/descpage-K2TD.html [17:59] fire|bird: :-D [18:00] fire|bird: I've never tried a distro with kde4 as fast as this [18:00] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [18:00] ubuntu,opensuse,fedora,mandriva feel so bloated compared current :D [18:00] compared to current* [18:01] erm, has sudo changed. since 10, let's say? i think i used to be able to run any command as root using it. now there's this sudoers file, which i approve of... but still, has it changed since 9/10? [18:01] deco: yeah, slackware is the best all around distro I've ever used and has the best user experience of all the distros I've tried. [18:01] actually, a full slackware install is more bloated than many of those [18:02] thrice`: but it runs better than the other ones. :P [18:02] fire|bird:I've been distro hopping for months and was just amazed when i finally gave slackware a try couple weeks ago this is my distro of choice now :-D [18:02] \o/ [18:02] fire|bird: that's the killer :) [18:02] thrice`: indeed. :) [18:02] deco, a common posting [18:02] InspectorCluseau: hehe :-D [18:03] also, suckbuntu fails to recognize many hardware platforms that slackware has no problems with, which is what initially drew my attention [18:03] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:04] Slack is Slick (tm) [18:04] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [18:05] I'm so happy that they removed arts from kde4 [18:05] was thinking about trying slack, can i ask why slackware users swear by it? And whats some of its main key features .. [18:06] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:06] Pupuser402-1 (n=puppy@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [18:06] hello [18:07] hello [18:07] tekzo: KISS. keep it simple. simple engineering solutions, that is. it doesn't pander to its users, and hence it has a steeper learning curve, though. much steeper. [18:07] i have problem login in as user in slackware 12.2 [18:07] tekzo: you're not going to break your system using a package manager like apt-get etc... [18:08] tekzo: and because of KISS it's easier to control. [18:08] tekzo: and chicks [18:08] chicks dig slackware users [18:08] lol [18:08] y0 Rat409 [18:08] hey fire|bird [18:08] that is perhaps the best reason of them all [18:08] :) [18:09] amazon10x: you know this from experience? [18:09] i won't try to put into words what others have been able to do better. So, google "why slackware" [18:09] it's okay, guys. i've already told him. [18:09] fire|bird: oh, let me tell you about experience :P [18:10] amazon10x: If so, 1) Where in the heck do you live? and 2) What the heck am I doing wrong? :D [18:10] amazon10x: Would taking the slackware sticker off my forehead help any? [18:10] This chick digs slackware users: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2654 [18:11] ifreeman: Where does it say slackware, it speaks of red hat? :P [18:12] searh for her articles [18:12] she speaks for her love of the 12.1 [18:12] fire|bird: you're not phrasing it correctly, i expect. you need to tell them you're a member of the church of the sub-genius and you use one of the oldest, not to mention the only divine, linux distribution. you have to say this, creepily and slowely, while smoking a pipe and while wearing early 19th century clothing as worn by english gentlemen of the period. i expect that's what amazon10x does. [18:12] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "leaving" [18:12] ifreeman: link please! we are lazy [18:12] but i have closed teh browser! le sigh [18:13] yesyes: CRAP, I knew I wasn't doing something right. Thanks. :) [18:13] deco your saying the package manager apt-get can break your systeM? [18:13] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [18:13] can anyone give me a hint on whats wrong when i can't login as user but only as root? [18:13] slackware only comes with kde? no gnome [18:13] tekzo: any package manager that finds your depandacys [18:13] Pupuser402-1: not without knowing what it says when you try [18:13] default gui, is kde right guys [18:13] tekzo: nope, no gnome, but there are a few projects out there you can use to get gnome on slackware. [18:13] http://news.oreilly.com/2008/06/slackware-121-the-newest-versi.html [18:13] tekzo: correct [18:13] it says nothing [18:14] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Client Quit [18:14] Pupuser402-1: so, you type in your user name, enter the password, then it says NOTHING? [18:14] the x-windows server are just starting to load and load and load....... [18:14] 0.o [18:14] Pupuser402-1: are you on slackware, even? [18:15] i'm on slackware, but using puppylinux to talk with you [18:15] cmair (n=cmair@host189-111-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:15] and you have slack configured to boot into x on startup? [18:15] t4k3r0n_ (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) joined ##slackware. [18:16] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:16] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:17] deco: actually, yeah. when do dependencies break your system? serious question. a generic answer will do. i don't think i've ever experienced apt/whatever breaking a system. [18:17] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [18:17] yes, it is functioning ....but when i installed things it start to give me this problem [18:17] Pupuser402-1, what did you install? [18:17] i installed slackbuild pkg tool [18:18] sbopkg? [18:18] yes [18:18] remove x from the equation... boot into console [18:18] that shouldn't affect X windows - it's just a bash script [18:18] ok, [18:18] Pupuser402-1, install anything else? [18:18] could someone link me to direct download for slackware? [18:19] no such thing as live cds for it? [18:19] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [18:19] tekzo, slackware.com - get slack. There are 100s mirrors. [18:19] it is not a live distro [18:19] yes, i installed nvidia drivers, and they work...but it seems like that hasent anything to do with the problem... [18:19] tekzo: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/ [18:19] if you are thinking of knoppix [18:20] so there are other distros based on slack? [18:20] where can i find them? [18:20] yes [18:20] anyone got a handy list? [18:20] vector is one that pops in my head [18:20] distrowatch.com [18:20] knoppix, pah. i used slax at work to access a pc a few days ago. all that filesystem stuff it has... impressive. [18:20] tekzo: slax [18:21] that's based on slackware, surprisingly. [18:21] suddenly out of the blue, it start out to freeze when it loads and i think it's has to do with persmision issue...but i'm not sure [18:21] why has the changelog been edited to remove rc2 [18:21] arch linux was based on slackware, but they use a dependency apt-get thingee. [18:21] slax is indeed sexy... solves trying to fix fs issues with the slack boot cd with its limited software set [18:21] i tried that crunchbang isit? [18:21] amazon10x: it's wasn't [18:21] i just knew yesterday that SuSe was somehow based on slackware [18:22] arch was based on CRUX fwiw [18:22] Pupuser402-1, can you get into runlevel 3 and edt the driver back to nv in xorg.conf and se if that helps? [18:22] no arch was based on crux and slack's philosophy [18:22] or crunchbag, something or other i got told it was good on old'ish machines [18:22] cant see who , as SuSe used Rpm's from RedHat [18:22] how * [18:22] phil01 (n=david@ua-83-227-136-194.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:22] thrice`: i don't see it in there anymore [18:22] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt [18:22] I had nvidea drivers freezing my x system in slack 11.0 [18:22] arch was okay for a while. but the packages went to shit after the main dev left. i stopped using it when an update broke my system. [18:23] or at least i had to conclude the only thing it could have been was the drivers [18:23] not going, to have any problems running slackware in virtual machine am i ? do i need a specific image? [18:23] reisub was my fried [18:23] damn got to change keyboard on this lappy - back in two shakes I hope [18:23] i don't know, dive. But i would try. Another thing is that when i'm logged out from x it is output: major upcode error or something like that [18:23] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.33) left irc: [18:24] thrice`: oh, that's weird, i must've paged pas tit [18:25] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [18:25] amazon10x: ctrl+f, then "rc2" :D [18:25] well, i did that and it didn't show it [18:25] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] i wonder if i had an old cached copy. but it still showed the aug 7th update [18:25] i dunno [18:26] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [18:28] tekzo: fwiw http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [18:28] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [18:29] Hello, when installing slackwares precompiled packags for xorg-server and running Xorg -configure i get "Missing output drivers, configuration failed.", more detailed information here: http://pastebin.com/m616647cb [18:30] I mean, it's complaining about a drivers that is loaded. [18:30] Pupuser402-1, can you pastebin your xorg log? [18:30] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:30] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [18:31] i'm on a laptop now..but my desktop is beside of me. Whit dmesg? [18:31] with* [18:31] no /var/log/Xorg.0.log [18:31] http://gnomeslackbuild.org/screenies/desktop_sample1.png sexy window decorations [18:31] ok [18:32] Action: yesyes uses gtk's defaults out of sheer laziness [18:33] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] greetings and salutations [18:34] it doesn't work..i just get this: No such file or directory [18:34] wocha andarius [18:35] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:35] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [18:35] phil01 (n=david@ua-83-227-136-194.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: [18:35] salutations yesyes [18:35] greetings andarius, how are you? [18:35] salutations fire|bird, I am well. How about you ? [18:36] andarius: doing excellent, thank you. [18:36] t4k3r0n_ (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) left irc: Client Quit [18:36] brb...coming in as nimrod, dive [18:36] t4k3r0n (n=t4k3r0n@189.186.105.186) joined ##slackware. [18:36] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [18:36] notrael (n=notrael@host-208-68-238-37.biznesshosting.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [18:37] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Pupuser402-1 (n=puppy@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] flausch_ (n=flausch@e179154242.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [18:38] hello again [18:38] HIYA [18:38] wazap nimrod you geyser [18:39] Action: yesyes goes to sleep [18:39] i'm having trouble with my login [18:39] KidneyBeans [18:39] werc [18:39] d [18:39] which login? [18:39] i think that's geezer. [18:39] kdm? gdm? console? [18:40] X kde [18:40] but i could be wrong [18:40] console, every time. [18:40] yeh [18:40] keep it rheel. [18:40] i dont think that the gui logins ever worked too great in slackware [18:41] screen is my window manager [18:41] Action: yesyes sleeps [18:41] lol [18:41] man [18:41] there have always been some relly shexy window managers out dere [18:42] i remmember afterstep :D [18:42] i think it is a permission issue....because i can login as root, but not as user [18:43] huhhh [18:43] are you sure that you're not using su root ? [18:43] Action: andarius has never had nor heard of an issue with RL4 logins [18:43] what the heck is RL4 andarius? [18:43] runlevel4 [18:43] run level 4... i.e. graphical login [18:43] oh yeh [18:44] yeah... [18:44] well me neither really [18:44] but i think he's having some really weird problem [18:44] that's probably coz somebody WAS in root and screwd with loads of files in /etc/ [18:44] if you had not then why the comment to that effect ? [18:45] andarius well a long long time ago when you used a graphical login, you would have o wait a little longer for it to start up and while it was loading the console login would be displayed [18:45] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] /c [18:45] bah [18:45] maybe i was hacked when i was in firefox as root :/ [18:45] denied :P [18:45] DeeeeP (n=me@bl8-71-59.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] KidneyBeans: not seen nor had an issue with that myself. [18:46] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] and that still would not justify the comment [18:46] lol allright [18:46] gnoel_ (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] shush [18:46] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:46] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:47] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:48] the only thing i did was installing: flashplayer-plugin, soundblaster xfi, nvidia-driver, and sbopkg [18:48] and ran xorgconfig [18:48] just keep asking [18:49] im sure somebody knows what the problem is [18:49] common denominator is vidia [18:49] at least with two users here in the past 10 mins [18:49] Action: andarius was not here to catch the problem. what are we dealing with here ? [18:50] yes, i got help from a guy earlier today..he was an expert [18:50] did he say he was an expert? Because if so, he probably wasn't [18:50] no, he just helped me [18:50] :| [18:50] you dudes are so nice [18:51] yarr [18:51] who do only the assholes ever answer on freenode? [18:51] what i think that's legitimate [18:51] the true experts tend to be quite humble [18:52] abby (n=abby@88-202-63-136.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Action: andarius still has no idea what is wrong with whos system... [18:52] Action: eviljames neither [18:52] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:52] oh i don't either... i just read probelsm with x login [18:52] dont you guys pay attention? [18:52] neg [18:52] yesyes was sleeping this whole time [18:52] MoRpHeUz (n=morphbr@kde/developer/asouza) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] KidneyBeans: only when i am online... [18:52] KidneyBeans: I just wandered in and sat down. [18:53] or inclined to do so [18:53] excuses excuses [18:53] plus, we can't be bothered with paging up or down, so don't even try [18:53] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:53] fine, wait for the next fella to come along and seek help from them. i am off to a beer [18:53] nimrod: you're having a problem, yea? [18:54] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:54] yes, eviljames [18:54] and what is that problem ? [18:54] in 100 words or less. [18:54] :P [18:54] what we have here, is a failure to communicate [18:54] my login as user is not functioning [18:54] lol [18:54] now it is, but when i install things i need, then it goes wrong [18:54] ifreeman, which is pretty bad considering that WE'RE ALL SPEAKING ENGLISH [18:55] and what is it you are installing that causes it to not work [18:55] ? [18:55] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT [18:55] oops [18:55] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [18:55] speak for yourself. I am only typing it. [18:55] atleast somebody's clipboard works! [18:56] nimrod: Does the runlevel make a difference? [18:56] don't know what the runlevel are [18:56] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] i'm a noob to slackware [18:57] runlevels are a linux thing, not slackware. [18:57] is it a terminal or graphical login ? [18:58] yes, i guessed that... it is a terminal login [18:58] and what is it you install that breaks your user login ? [18:59] i install : slackbuild, nvidia-driver, flashplayer, soundblaster-driver, and gwenview, and exiv2 [19:00] how about installing them one at a time and testing your login so we can norrow that down to one ? [19:00] Techtronic (n=Techtron@77.90.71.27) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] yes, i would try that. [19:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:00] and why are you installing a seperate soundblaster driver ? [19:01] for what card ? [19:01] xfi [19:01] uck [19:01] Those things SUCK under Linux [19:01] Action: andarius has never dealt with that one so knows not [19:02] what card should i use instead? intel hda? [19:02] nimrod: as noted, try those items one at a time, narrow it down to one that causes the issue and we can work from there [19:02] intel hda plays a LOT nicer [19:02] ok, andarius and straterra [19:02] brb [19:03] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] so -current has kde 4.2 now? [19:03] it does [19:03] and it is spectacular! [19:03] Orion7: yes, 4.2.4 [19:04] exile (n=exile@adsl-69-224-94-181.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:04] i noticed a new xfce too [19:07] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:07] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] since slackware includes libxine and mplayer, slackware is considered a non free distro ? [19:08] xfce ftw !! [19:08] abby (n=abby@88-202-63-136.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:09] Xine is non-free? [19:09] eviljames: it plays mp3 ? [19:09] RMS can stick it, i dont give a damn if he approves or not [19:09] there are free mp3 libs out there [19:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:09] LibMAD? [19:09] Pig_Pen: agree :-D [19:09] Pig_Pen: disagree, sorta [19:10] i lost a lot of respect for RMS after he want on talking bad about freebsd [19:10] Nick change: SQlvpapir_ -> SQlvpapir [19:10] http://mpg321.sourceforge.net/ [19:12] DebiEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [19:12] just one example [19:12] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:12] notrael (n=notrael@host-208-68-238-37.biznesshosting.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [19:12] based on libmad which was indicated by eviljames [19:12] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [19:13] or uses ... [19:13] the GNU/GPL is a great philosophy, but it is a terrible religion, if you make a religion out of it then it can be just a tyranical as any despot [19:14] well then you can get into the religion of GNU Emacs instead [19:14] Action: antiwire barfs [19:14] It's not a religious argument. [19:14] RMS has an agenda to push. You do or do not accept it. Don't criticize the guy for holding on to his principles. [19:14] He wants all data/software to be free like speech. Having someone fighting that fight is good. Having the middle ground offered by his group (LGPL) is better. [19:15] eviljames: yes but he shouldn't force it on anyone , what he said about bsd was just wrong [19:16] what did he say? is there a transcript because now I'm interested in this [19:16] me too [19:16] deco: sauce? [19:16] eviljames: antiwire let me find it again, it was about non free software being available in their ports system let me get the source [19:17] deco: also, I just joined the channel so I'm not on any side of this. Just curious about this RMS thing [19:17] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] btw I'm so down with cmake build scripts now [19:19] build scripts as in SBo [19:19] Nick change: illuz1oN -> illuz|away [19:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:19] illuz|away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [19:19] antiwire: eviljames just found the song they made about rms right now :p i still have to find the real artical http://www.freebsd.org/multimedia/tag-artwork.html it's on home to hypocrisy they explain it there [19:20] text [19:20] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [19:20] :/ [19:20] giuppy (n=giuppy@host159-38-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [19:20] Nick change: illuz1oN -> illuz1oN_ [19:20] -.- [19:21] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [19:22] deco: That's not very convincing. They open up with an ad hominem anecdote about him being tossed from a flight, then say nothing specifically of what he did other than post that "ports makes openbsd non-free" [19:22] now i can't log out from X [19:22] eviljames: like i said i still have to find the artical [19:22] press ctrl+alt+backspace together at the same time [19:23] nimrod: how did you start X ? [19:23] illuz1oN_: disable the autoaway function that that wont happen [19:23] ok, i would try that, KidneyBeans [19:23] i started X with Username and password [19:24] actually it is hold down ctrl & alt together, then press backspace [19:24] ummm... [19:24] That's assuming, of course that he set DontZap [19:24] this guy didnt set anything man [19:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:24] nimrod: So, you go to log out and it does nothing whatsoever? [19:25] sure, and slackware has RL4 login issues... [19:25] eviljames: http://kerneltrap.org/OpenBSD/That_Which_We_Call_Free [19:25] apparent he set something or logging in alone would not start X [19:25] eviljames: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openbsd-misc/2007/12/10/486713 [19:26] yes, eviljames, when i log out the screen is black, and i must type ctrl+alt+del [19:26] push down* [19:26] wtf [19:27] is the system still configured for the default run level ? [19:27] the wtf is for deco. nimrod it sounds like something is crashing on the way out of x [19:27] being 3 [19:27] nimrod: the file ~/.xsession-errors [19:27] if dontzap is enabled then the ctrl alt backspace thing wont work [19:27] yes, it is outputting errors [19:27] may be of some use to you. For me, I need a file that traps enter key presses so that I don't have 2 word lines anymore. [19:28] deco: Unless there's more, that post (while a horrendous troll, no doubt) is not really that bad. If I was a self-styled leader of the free software movement, it would be hard for me to recommend to use something that suggests non-free software as well. [19:30] The strange part is that in the replies there is a link to an emacs Windows FAQ. Wouldn't supporting emacs on windows be pretty damn hypocritical in light of the parent post? [19:30] No. [19:30] Emacs is still free. I don't think that RMS endorses Windows, but the use of free software on Windows. [19:31] Arbitrarily limiting where code can be run is non-free. Emacs can run on windows, RMS almost has a responsibility to make sure that it does. [19:32] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] Shouldn't OpenBSD be allowed to provide the option to users to install firmwares that aren't free so that they can use hardware? [19:32] emacs, thats what i want a 20 megabyte text editor [19:32] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:32] I don't know what the exact piece of software RMS was referring to though. [19:32] antiwire: Of course, but does that mean RMS should endorse it? [19:33] eviljames: No that's not what I'm saying either though. He stated is own opinion so there really isn't an argument against that [19:33] who cares what RMS endorses it's not like im going to use something just because he endorses it :D [19:33] make that a 33 meg text editor [19:33] it's his own opinion [19:33] deco: You seem to care what he does/does not endorse. In fact, you brought it up :D [19:34] Action: quasar endorses Bob. [19:34] eviljames: i just commented on what somone sad :-D [19:34] said [19:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.44.107) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:35] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] ahh, touche. In any case, for the purposes of this discussion, who RMS is and what he does are extremely valuable, at least in my eyes. [19:36] Elektro (n=Elektro@208.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] eviljames: well he started GNU so i still have some love for him :P [19:36] the BSD folks being butthurt because he doesn't recommend them, and their post regarding it actually serves to BSDs detriment imho. [19:37] The post in particular was very distasteful. [19:37] it was bait but, imo, but they should have just tossed it off the boat as bait. [19:37] -1 but [19:37] His post to the list? It sounded like he was responding to statements made about him, or attributed to him. [19:38] now i want to see what started that [19:38] the seed baiter [19:38] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:38] yeah you guys have to find the emails... [19:38] I'm not interested enough in finding them, I think my time will be better spent removing BSD from my os collection here! [19:38] lol [19:38] (j/k, of course, BSD is a super good system :D) [19:39] eviljames: lol openbsd :D [19:39] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [19:39] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:40] i think the hate would be better focused on hating Apple and Microsoft [19:40] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] i installed nvidia drivers and ran xorgconfig, and now i can log out again ....... [19:40] I don't really hate either of them. I make money supporting their software. [19:40] ++antiwire; [19:41] sz^ (n=sz@a91-152-184-8.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [19:41] just because you make money off them does not mean you can hate them [19:41] I have a love/hate relationship with Microsoft. I hate that their software is so poorly made. [19:41] I however love that the poorly made software provides me with a virtually neverending stream of income. [19:41] just because you make money off them does not mean you can *NOT* hate them [19:41] I sort of feel like this about them -_- [19:42] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "leaving" [19:42] i got this "Bad window parameter" message, when i log out [19:42] i wont let it in my house, except to fdisk it off a drive for a Linux or BSD install [19:42] nimrod try X -configure [19:42] ok [19:42] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] then copy /root/xorg.config.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [19:43] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: Client Quit [19:43] nimrod if X -configure does not produce a good xorg.conf then use nvidia-xconfig [19:44] sz^ (n=sz@a91-152-184-8.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Client Quit [19:46] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [19:46] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-201.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:47] i like konsole in kde4 names your tabs based on what app you are running :D [19:49] i feel like an old man now, i ordered my first pair of bifocal perscription glasses [19:50] Pig_Pen: what's a bifocal ? [19:50] Pig_Pen: Wait untill you have to have cataracts removed. [19:50] until [19:51] deco: focals of the "double" variety [19:52] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.96.9) joined ##slackware. [19:53] amazon10x:what are focals ? sorry don't know much about glasses :P [19:53] yowza! i dont want anything touching my eyes, i refused contact lenses [19:53] http://i7.ebayimg.com/05/s/000/77/54/837c_2.JPG bifocals [19:54] Pig_Pen: yeah it's scary having them on your eyes [19:54] man, i filled up my hdd and now i've got to clean stuff off [19:54] Pig_Pen: oh yeah ive seen those.. thanks [19:54] Pig_Pen: I've worn contacts for about 25 years [19:54] chopp: any problems with them? infections? soreness? [19:55] I've had one infections over the years, due to my own neglect [19:56] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] I wish I would have had corrective surgery years ago though [19:58] my mom had lasic eye surgury, at first she had problems but once her eyes healed she said it was like someone took a vail off her face, she could see great after they healed [19:59] yes, I've also know people that have had it done. [19:59] /s/know/known [20:00] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.23.197) joined ##slackware. [20:02] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:03] slacknode (n=slacknod@c-174-51-239-161.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] heh, my dad just had his cornea `glued` back on. ;) [20:04] omg..what happened? [20:04] chopp: just got loose apparently on its own. Had to have two surgeries in 5 days as the firs time it didn't take. [20:05] wtf [20:05] it just got loose?? [20:05] acidchild: yeah. [20:05] the body is a pretty weird thing. [20:06] acidchild: it seems its "relatively normal" when you get old. [20:06] oh my eye just fell out, guess i didn't use enough threadlock [20:06] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:06] BP{k}: never heard that happening myself, hope all goes well :) [20:06] indeed! [20:07] hi, i upgraded last update and now my kde lost the config, i need to reconfig it? effects shadow etc.. [20:07] one day they will just have a drop that will glue it back on and will require no sugury [20:08] chopp: well "just" is about 4 weeks or so now. for the first couple of weeks he had to see the eye doc every single morning ... then a while every other day. But progress is all going well. I haven't really asked him .. but he mentioned it was okay enough to go on a two week holiday. [20:08] one day they'll just pop in a new eye ;) [20:08] and I'll guess I'll ask him when I seem him on wednesday :) [20:08] BP{k}: right on [20:09] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:09] two weeks of free food and booze \o/ [20:09] they can put in a used eye already [20:09] BP{k}: hehe =P [20:10] antiwire: or anyone else care to refresh my memory as to how long dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda2 might take on a 60GB drive? [20:10] i dd'd 60GB over ata100 in around 45-60 minutes...60 being max depending on system load [20:11] haha, i tryed working it out a few days ago with some people [20:11] antiwire: thanks [20:11] "we have the capability to rebuild it .. better .. faster ... stronger ...." [20:11] but i didn't incorperate that the write speed goes down later on in the process. [20:12] I'm starting a lvm/crypt install on my new thinkpad [20:12] sweet [20:12] was about 42.8minutes at 1-1.5MB/s from one IDE SSD to another. [20:12] antiwire: indeed [20:12] for a 2GB drive :\ [20:12] chopp: I use luks but without the LVM on my laptop [20:13] antiwire: any particular reason you didn't use lvm? [20:14] chopp: I just didn't feel I needed it for a 160GB laptop disk. I only used dmcrypt and left out LVM out of simplicity sake [20:14] i create a 100MB /boot at the start of the disk and the rest is / which is encrypted [20:15] http://blog.sirthinks.com/wp-content/uploads/cheque.JPG [20:15] lol! [20:15] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.120.220) left irc: Connection timed out [20:16] antiwire: ok well I'll read up now on not using lvm and decide from there. [20:16] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.120.220) joined ##slackware. [20:16] i have used dd_rescue (not GNU ddrescue) [20:16] to get some bits out from a dead-blocked hdd [20:17] and not i'm running photorec on them [20:17] i have reverse copied the images [20:17] just installed slax on my old laptop :p [20:17] using -d and -r switches in dd_rescue .. [20:18] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] i suspect there is something odd, may be the images i've got somehow ended up to be reverse [20:18] vizsla (n=rawr@unaffiliated/vizsla) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] so how can in reverse head and tail of bynary data file [20:18] ?? [20:18] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:18] with dd [20:18] dd it again and output it in reverse [20:18] antiwire: which options? [20:18] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:19] i cannot see anything in the manpage [20:19] i only have ddrescue, not dd_rescue [20:19] conv=swab ?? [20:19] antiwire: ddrescue is a new GNU thing [20:19] I know this [20:19] dd_rescue is quite outdate .. [20:20] I am simply letting you know that I don't use dd_rescue [20:20] ok .. [20:20] my problem is that photorec cannot find anyfiles [20:20] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] also it's all quite funny now [20:21] basically i had first attempt which recovered a few files [20:21] and now somehow by reverse copying the image i managed to get out a lot more data [20:21] but cannot dig out any files ;((( [20:22] it's not somehow, reverse reading goes from the end to the beginning which usually comes at the data from the opposite side of the error [20:22] antiwire: so how do reverse the whole file with dd?? [20:22] are you sure it is reversed though? [20:22] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] not really [20:23] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:23] i'm not exactly sure how that reverse copy machanism works [20:23] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] is it prepending to a file? [20:23] reading block from the back of the input file and prepends to the output?? [20:24] what is the description for that option? [20:24] Like i said, I only have ddrescue [20:25] -r reverse direction copy (def=forward) [20:25] i have a feeling it just reads from the back to front [20:25] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:25] you should be able to cat those images together [20:25] also what is -d? [20:25] -d/D use O_DIRECT for input/output (def=no) [20:26] it gets very frustrating an wiered at this point [20:26] tht [20:26] i can't get what's going on really [20:26] that was interesting. [20:26] may be i need to change geometry in photorec settings? [20:26] I had to disable rc.hotplug on my old 10.2 box. [20:26] ifreeman (n=ifreeman@autopilothosting.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:26] it just hung on bootup. [20:27] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:27] cause when open one image in photorec it shows up much bigger somehow [20:27] JeanLandim (n=Jean@189.73.207.184) joined ##slackware. [20:27] and now i do `dd_rescue -r image-16GB image-16GB~` [20:28] and i already got the output over 20GB!! [20:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:28] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.28) joined ##slackware. [20:28] _thomas__ (n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomas/x-837462) joined ##slackware. [20:28] _thomas__, você por aqui.. [20:28] this data recovery bussiness is a nightmare [20:29] gnoel_ (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:29] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] JeanLandim (n=Jean@189.73.207.184) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:29] What is the most secure open source linux encryption library/application out there? [20:29] _thomas__ (n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomas/x-837462) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [20:30] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] KidneyBeans: may be you want to first install some most secure distro, i.e. OpenBSD .. [20:31] then there should be an encrption tool with it [20:31] naw [20:31] well what i wanne do is use a nice crypto algo in a desktop application that i'm making [20:31] most secure is a bit... gray matter [20:31] Action: andarius prefers serpent [20:31] the encryption used to secure a volume from offline attacks doesn't care what OS is on it [20:31] slacknode (n=slacknod@c-174-51-239-161.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:31] a lot of websites look messed up on konqueror anyone know of a good font to set so they can look better ? [20:32] I use twofish with luks for my slackware laptop [20:32] antiwire: but may be you wanna prottect form the actual attackers in the first place [20:32] its not really a gray area to what crypto is the most secure; it just takes a lil mathematical analysis [20:32] filerwall, IPsec ..etc [20:32] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] tunnelled traffic .. [20:32] errordeveloper: that is not even the same scope as disk encryption though [20:33] and then storage encryption [20:33] network security, and software security are two different things [20:33] KidneyBeans: what exactly are you talking about? [20:33] are you talking about disk encryption or what? [20:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:33] antiwire: just a nice encryption algo thats in the leagues of RSA and DES that has a nice web page showing what it actually does and a nice include.h file for using in your applications [20:34] the top crypto types are not getting cracked by an nub with a PC. AES and those above it are all valid candidates [20:34] AES, the fishes, the snake, whatever [20:34] WOAH GUYS. JUST HAD AN IDEA [20:34] serpent :P [20:34] so you know pastebins, right? [20:34] you found caps lock ? [20:34] what if we had... [20:34] im not worried about nubs with pcs, im worried about nub with 16tflop per module in a blade server :s [20:34] AUDIO PASTEBINS [20:35] you go on, you record a short clip, and boom, you're linking people to it [20:35] amazon10x: do you need a drink of water? you ok? [20:35] lol [20:35] i think he just quit smoking weed or something [20:35] GUYS. THIS IS SRS. -_- [20:36] guess it was not finding caps lock after all :( [20:36] youtube? [20:36] thrice`: too complicated and what not [20:36] hehe amazon10x dude a general rule of thumb about having good ideas are: don't tell anyone until you've allready made a prototype thats been doing its shit for atleast six months [20:36] i want something just like a pastebin. i bring up the site, i press record, i press stop, and it gives me a link [20:37] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [20:37] how the heck can that be complicated? [20:37] youtube? yeah man, way too complicated [20:37] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:38] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [20:38] amazon10x: i like the idea. but how are you going to handle talking to the hardware on end-user's part? [20:38] i think its a pretty stupid idea [20:39] the whole point of a pastebin is that you can paste code [20:39] i see many applications for it in gaming [20:39] are you going to farking READ IT OUT NOW? [20:39] KidneyBeans: lol, it's not for code [20:39] but at least you said "i" meaning *you* think it's a stupid idea, so that's fine [20:40] so no hard feelings KidneyBeans [20:40] snorks: flash can do that i think [20:40] well dude i'm not the messiah, who am i to judge for everybody else? [20:40] the example i have is that i'm on my guitar and i wanted to send this riff to my friend. how do i do it? audio pastebin [20:40] yep [20:40] dewd [20:40] you gotto realize that [20:40] recording onto the intraweb [20:40] is probably quite a push of luck [20:40] that would be freakin nice [20:40] i mean, hardly any desktop os can do that shit properly [20:40] now you're talking about online [20:41] anyway [20:41] flash is magical [20:41] stop [20:41] talking like [20:41] it can do webcams and microphones now [20:41] this [20:41] oh, sorry. aim made me an idiot [20:41] (i wasnt talking to you :) [20:42] oh, haha, i do that all the time so that usually is directed at me [20:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] alright, maybe i should code up this audio pastebin thing? [20:42] i play guitar as well so i fully endorse your idea [20:42] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:43] but i am anti-webdev so any thought at having something to do with it is scary [20:43] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:43] yeah, i don't really know how to do anythign either [20:44] it should be pretty simple stuff though [20:44] lol [20:44] it's best to assume that it's going to be insanely hard [20:44] amazon10x: haha, if you think that'll be easy then good luck to ya. :P [20:45] i mean, the flash app for recording a clip should be simple [20:45] amazon10x: you also would need something equivalent of an audio artificial intelligence controlling audio input volume etc if you aimed for a start, record, stop [20:45] then i just need to hook that into some pre-existing pastebin software [20:46] snorks: oh yeah, good point [20:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0Buw1qgtU [20:46] and by audio AI i actually meant a goblin wizard sitting there turning knobs and figuring out people's sound card [20:46] (almost) [20:46] antiwire: allright, I've decided to go without lvm. luks, but with both /, and /home [20:47] antiwire: how did you find that video of me? [20:47] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] those olympic gymnasts ain't go shit on him [20:48] he's probably black listed from the olympics because he's mop the floor with everyone [20:48] he'd [20:50] antiwire: keep in mind it's more difficult to do something correctly the one time that it matters (at the olympics), than it is to do it a hundred times and just posting (on youtube) the one that looks best [20:50] I like how he gets in the car [20:50] look at his accuracy [20:50] amazing stuff [20:52] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-162-250.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:53] dude, they let you wear just your underwear in the gym room? [20:53] that's awesome [20:53] didn't you see what he did? [20:53] he can wear underwear on the fucking eiffel tower [20:53] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-172-142.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] he stripped it all off down to underwear while he was flipping [20:54] yes i saw [20:54] and i just realized what i said sounded extremely gay [20:54] Action: acidchild claps [20:55] the comments are hilarious "monkey ninja" [20:57] ARGH, my laptop is back to beeping at me. This being after a different heat sink and processor (from another laptop, same exact model). mobo? What's the chances this processor and heatsink are bad? [20:57] 42 [20:58] 42 what? percent? :P [20:58] for fire|bird, the probability is always 1 [20:58] lol [20:59] antiwire: any idea what just 2 beeps means? I've googled, searched HP, etc. and can't find what just 2 beeps means. [20:59] how old is the laptop again? [20:59] 2007 [20:59] fire|bird: is there any video? [20:59] thumbs: there was, but when I get the beeps, no. [20:59] I don't even get the HP logo when it beeps. [20:59] fire|bird: dislodged cable? [21:00] thumbs: possible, but since the different heatsink and processor, it had worked fine until today and hasn't even been moved. [21:00] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:00] the processor was changed last Tuesday and it had worked excellent, each day, until today. [21:00] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [21:00] from memory, 3 beeps is loose/bad RAM [21:01] are the two beeps long or short? [21:01] short [21:01] pull all the ram out except one stick [21:01] i had a piece of kingston ram go bad on me the other day. 256mb 333mhz ddr1. the good stuff [21:02] amazon10x: ouch [21:02] amazon10x: I have 2 modules of 256MB 333mhz. :P [21:02] not Kingston though [21:02] it has a lifetime warranty [21:02] but... i don't really care [21:02] haha [21:02] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [21:04] Well, for right now, windows just started on it. :/ [21:04] fire|bird: did you change anything [21:04] no [21:04] brb [21:06] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] back [21:09] skunk- (n=dd@5ad18398.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:09] you know, thinking about it now, at times, when the power cord is connected, the light for it doesn't light up, what would that indicate? bad power cord or mobo? Although even when the light didn't come on, the OS, both windows and linux live cd, showed it as being plugged in. [21:10] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0899.bb.online.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:10] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.198.217) joined ##slackware. [21:10] hey guys, i am trying to install vnc server but i get this error when trying to run it vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++ [21:11] http://slackwarehelp.org/viewtopic.php?p=57#57 i am following this.. [21:11] where did you get vnc from [21:11] from that how-too [21:11] slack_fish (n=zxcc_119@119.48.153.192) joined ##slackware. [21:11] are you actually running Slackware? [21:11] wget http://www.realvnc.com/dist/vnc-4.0-x86_linux.tar.gz [21:11] who me? [21:11] yeah [21:11] yes i am [21:12] i think alienbob has a brilliant freenx package in his repos for 12.2 [21:12] hiall.. [21:12] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:12] slack_fish: heil [21:13] amazon10x, is that where i should get, vnc from? [21:13] skunk-: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=vnc&sv=12.2 [21:13] might have a good build there [21:13] www.linuxpackages.net or www.slackbuilds.org [21:14] slack_fish: SBo only, NOT lp.net [21:14] okay let me look o.O [21:14] oh. [21:14] slack_fish: just fyi btw :D [21:14] you are smart boy.. [21:14] slack_fish: the prevailing wisdom is that binary packages can be evil [21:14] upstream tends not to be. [21:15] you spell ,i don't understand good! [21:15] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:16] slack_fish: ah, it is generally thought that compiling your own package with a SlackBuild script is better. [21:16] yes i see.. [21:16] Source code is much easier to inspect than binary [21:16] i see.. [21:16] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:16] not to mention dirty builds [21:17] even if the code is sane you can still get jacked [21:18] i am trying to make a SlackBuild [21:18] good riddance, hotplug [21:18] thumbs: yeah, who needs to add stuff on the fly anyway? [21:19] eviljames: it's a router. [21:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [21:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:20] Pupuser402-1 (n=puppy@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [21:20] i copied the 'configure' for the program it is based on, and then it seems like it is looking for plain C/C++ files in the X11R6/include directory [21:20] eviljames: the only module it actually requires is 3c59x :) [21:20] hello again [21:20] howdy [21:20] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [21:21] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.113.165.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] i can't log in user and in root anymore, after i installed gwenview, on slackware 12.2 [21:22] i thought gwenview was in slackware 12.2? [21:23] isn't gwenview a kde4 thing? [21:23] oh, it might be [21:23] i might be thinking of a kde3 equivalent [21:23] or, gqview from xap/ [21:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:24] i installed exiv3 to, cause gwenview require exiv2 [21:24] exiv2* [21:24] what are you trying to accomplish Pupuser402-1 ? [21:24] tije (n=tije@201.127.237.239) joined ##slackware. [21:24] neither of those actions should have had any bearing on logging in. [21:24] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [21:24] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] thrice, i like gwenview better than gQview [21:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:25] ok; just making sure you weren't trying to do kde4 or something [21:26] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] i used sbopkg [21:26] Pupuser402-1: with the proper mirrors? [21:26] yes, i searched in the menu [21:26] fasdfasd (n=hkhjkfh@76.235.51.228) joined ##slackware. [21:27] how do i uninstall this packages? [21:27] slackbook.org [21:28] that book i will buy... [21:28] lol [21:28] i'll give you a hint, too: removepkg [21:28] or, "pkgtool" [21:28] Pupuser402-1: for using slackbuilds, you can typically download and build any of them using a single command line. [21:29] ok [21:29] but i don't understand why X -configure makes x freeze [21:30] does a SlackBuild really need a './configure' to be in the source, or can you just put 'make && make install' (or make your own 'make install) into the SlackBuild? [21:30] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:30] oh man [21:30] dchmelik: not all packages use autotools, no [21:30] at the wiki it says to put './configure' into it [21:30] but i will not then [21:31] hi everybody ! [21:31] dchmelik: which app? [21:31] hi [21:31] dchmelik: if there is a configure script [21:31] something like: wget -c http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2//.tar.gz && tar -xf .tar.gz && cd && source .info && wget -c $DOWNLOAD && su -c 'OUTPUT=`pwd` ./.SlackBuild' && installpkg ./*.t?z [21:32] the program i am making a SlackBuild for has no configure script... though I am not sure how ARCH works without it [21:32] in its present form that command is broken, exercise for those playing the home game to figure out what's wrong. :D [21:32] i would like to configure cups for my server , the ip adresse of my server station is 192.168.1.10, when i type into firefox http://192.168.1.1.0:631, that does not work, but the only ip adress does work ! [21:32] dchmelik: which app? [21:32] i have " IT WORKS !", it's apache -) [21:32] the game 'tome' [21:32] paissad-hp: are you actually putting 1.0 or is that a typo? [21:32] law [21:32] how can i configure cups for my server station, i'm using another computer ! [21:32] l [21:33] paissad-hp: also, verify that cups is listening on that IP and not just localhost, and that something isn't impeding traffic. [21:33] eviljames, no sorry, i did 192.168.1.10:631 [21:34] ok, let me see [21:34] thanks [21:34] i got it to build by making a messed up source tree, but it would not install [21:34] i have reinstalled slackware 12.2 ten times ca..because of this login problem [21:34] Pupuser402-1: reinstalling is not the solution. [21:34] very rarely will re-installing fix problems [21:35] please explain your steps again [21:35] thumbs: I'm running memtest on the laptop now. :P [21:35] i installed sbopkg [21:35] fire|bird: good boy. [21:35] fire|bird: I am enjoying a glass of fresh cifer. [21:35] you installed sbopkg from within x.org, as a regular user? [21:35] cider, too. [21:35] thumbs: It seems to be running alright right now, just battery, no power cord. [21:35] eviljames, do you know how i can make cups listen on 192.168.1.10 ? [21:36] i installed it as su [21:36] fire|bird: how many cells do you have? [21:36] rhys (n=rhys@dialup-4.253.113.165.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [21:36] FatherTime (n=computer@99-22-211-150.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] thumbs: Um, not exactly sure, either 6 or 8. [21:36] fire|bird: 6 or 9. [21:36] :P [21:37] fire|bird: 9 would protude outside the casing [21:37] thumbs: I've been so busy with trying to image the hdd, I haven't checked out all the specifics of what it has. [21:37] thumbs: Well, I know it's not 9 then. :P [21:37] fire|bird: probably 6. [21:37] probably [21:37] fire|bird: and you get 2-3 hours on it, too? [21:38] The label is on the side that is against the laptop, so I can't look right now. [21:38] thumbs: yeah, 2.5-3 or so. [21:38] i should have mentioned that i didn't find the soundcard with alsaconf, but i got sound anyway [21:38] fire|bird: yeah, 6-cells [21:39] thumbs: ok. :) [21:39] skunk- (n=dd@5ad18398.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:40] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:40] slack_fish (n=zxcc_119@119.48.153.192) left irc: [21:40] thumbs: memtest is at 50% of pass one, no errors, but I'll let it run for a while. [21:40] fire|bird: at least 2 hours. [21:41] thumbs: yeah. Any other tests I should run to check anything? [21:41] fire|bird: there is this really neat diagnostic cd I used to use... [21:41] for some reason when i put 'cd src' after 'cd $APP-$VERSION' in the SlackBuild the SlackBuild seems to not cd to src, because the Makefile there works, but the SlackBuild says 'make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.' [21:41] thumbs: and you'll let me know when you recall the name? :P [21:42] yes. [21:42] thanks [21:42] I am fixing everything after a power loss this morning [21:42] my problem is that i can't do much codes, because of my lack of knowledge. and with my loginproblem i can't do anything [21:42] fire|bird: the router wouldn't boot, disabled hotplug, messed around. [21:43] Pupuser402-1: ok, I don't believe you sare saying everything yet. after you first boot slackware, it boots to a console, right? [21:43] fire|bird: the bloody outage lasted 1.5 hours [21:43] yes [21:43] to which you can login as user and root? [21:43] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] yes, i can login, but not startx [21:44] ok! words are important [21:44] thumbs: yikes. that sucks. [21:44] what the hell http://www.h-online.com/security/Naming-trick-opens-mail-servers--/news/113946 [21:44] so, you can login fine, but not startx [21:44] fire|bird: my poor UPS lasted 28 minutes [21:44] mhm [21:44] i can't startx [21:44] ok :) so, you simply need to configure the X server [21:44] jp (i=1000@81.84.168.60) joined ##slackware. [21:45] start with "X -configure" as root, and move that file (/root/xorg.conf.new) to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:45] Nick change: jp -> Guest52458 [21:45] ok, i would try that :) [21:45] Nick change: Guest52458 -> jplcrd [21:45] is it very hard to write a './configure?' [21:45] don't install nvidia's crap yet, lets just use the one from x.org [21:45] hey guys, can someone give me a hand? im having some problems with alsamixer : / [21:46] most just use tools to auto make configure files anymore [21:46] dchmelik: if whatever you are trying to package does not configure anything then just structure it yourself [21:46] dchmelik: ./configure --help is a good place to start [21:46] jplcrd: elaborate [21:47] i am not sure it needs a './configure'... if I pastebin it would anyone look? [21:47] arch linux has a build script for tome which is quite ugly :\ [21:47] dchmelik: have you read the included documentation? [21:47] thumbs: memtest, unexpected interrupt - Halting. Type-Inv_Op. [21:47] which documentation? i am just talking about my SlackBuild [21:47] dchmelik: does it use autotools? [21:47] fire|bird: bad bad bad bad bad [21:47] come on [21:48] no, just a Makefile [21:48] thumbs: :( [21:48] dchmelik: arch linux does something like this: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/tome/tome/PKGBUILD . some "interesting" sed hacks [21:48] thrice, now i have don it. i have moved the file to etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:48] if you dl the source you have to pick which makefile.??? to use [21:48] what is this package you want to build dchmelik let me look at it [21:48] dchmelik: no, not usually. [21:48] thrice', i do not think one needs to go that far [21:48] Pupuser402-1: awesome. now, exit the root account, log in as your user, and try to "startx" [21:48] thumbs: alsamixer recognizes all of my devices (3 overall, two hda_intel, one usb_audio). I need it to work with the usb_audio device, everything was fine beforehand, seems that it just decided to use the hda_intel soundcard out of the blue : / [21:48] ok :) [21:49] jplcrd: unload the modules for the had_intel card first. [21:49] jplcrd: you might even have to blacklist it. [21:49] here is my SlackBuild in progress: http://pastebin.com/d4f3ed5ec [21:49] no luck. the hdd-symbol just blinking [21:50] Pupuser402-1: it should die and give you an error, no? [21:50] jplcrd: please, not unsollicited private messages. [21:50] yes, the screen goes black now [21:50] dngr (n=dngr@112.118.131.237) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:50] and here is the src: http://www.t-o-m-e.net/dl/src/tome-235-src.tar.bz2 [21:50] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:50] thumbs: sorry, could you go into a bit more detail please? :) [21:51] but i can't get back to the konsoll [21:51] Pupuser402-1: startx , if it fails, should fail instantly and spit back an error. that's not the case with you? [21:51] no, thats not the case with me [21:51] it just stays black [21:52] with the cursor showing [21:52] try to push alt+ctl+f2 to get a new console [21:52] oh! maybe xorg is started [21:52] thrice`, do you think the Arch Pkgbuild would work? [21:52] try right-clicking [21:52] its downloading, give me a minute to look at it [21:52] thumbs: Hmm, googling that Inv_Op message, it looks like a cpu issue, possibly not getting the right voltage. :/ [21:52] doesn't help rightclicking [21:53] fire|bird: bad bad bad bad bad [21:53] Pupuser402-1: ok, I would push alt+ctl+f2 to get a new console [21:53] jplcrd: man rmmod [21:53] ok [21:53] thumbs: indeed. :( [21:53] dchmelik: did you choose your makefile yet? [21:53] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:53] don..now i have a new konsoll [21:53] yes, makefile.std, I renamed to Makefile [21:54] console* [21:54] Pupuser402-1: you can also try to move to ctl+alt+f1 to see if it says anything useful. are you trying to load kde ? [21:54] dchmelik: it supports DESTDIR [21:54] wow, that is some shitty source, dchmelik now i can see what you mean, tome source sucks for building [21:54] i would try that now [21:54] thumbs: pretty simple, would it be something such as rmmod snd_hda_intel ? [21:54] wtf [21:54] it's not shitty [21:54] it even support DESTDIR [21:55] antiwire, i forgot what that means, but i think my SlackBuild might use it... or it should [21:55] FatherTime (n=computer@99-22-211-150.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:55] it requires lua ? [21:55] i got error message [21:55] i guess i do not need to 'cd src' maybe [21:55] jplcrd: did you try it? [21:55] on F1 [21:55] yes, but it has lua in the src [21:55] good :) which one? [21:55] "Incorrect font server adress or syntax [21:56] thumbs: yup, said it was in use, so i did rmmod -f snd_hda_intel [21:56] or at least it has lua code [21:56] directory does not exist [21:56] I'm building it right now [21:56] directory missing fonts.dir [21:56] I'll even package it too [21:56] Pupuser402-1: did you do a full install of slackware ? or did you install xorg afterwards? [21:56] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-77-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [21:56] i did a full install yes [21:57] thumbs: seems like it worked, i now get the output "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" [21:57] thumbs: when running alsamixer [21:57] jplcrd: run alsaconfig [21:57] thumbs: alsamixer -c 2 however, where the correct device is located, works fine [21:58] Pupuser402-1: hm, stranage. try to run pkgtool as root, go to the "configure" part, and run the mkfontdir and mkfontscale scripts [21:58] RipVanWinkle, antiwire, i will be back in a few minutes, i have to get something to eat [21:58] you can kill that startx that is dead with "killall X" too [21:58] ok [21:58] power outages suck...and i got zapped three times trying to turn my puter back on [21:58] fizzle [21:58] thumbs: ran alsaconf, it doesnt recognize my usb headset. [21:58] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [21:59] morning peeps. 2:59am again. [21:59] thumbs: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ ? [21:59] hi dive [22:00] fire|bird, hi [22:00] fire|bird: yes [22:00] I remember the ultimate boot disk [22:00] what is the ultimate boot cd for? [22:00] who wanted that? [22:00] 1.44mb floppy [22:00] thumbs: downloading now. [22:01] dive: my laptop has sort of started it's old tricks. :/ [22:01] even tome's website does not have any documentation except about playing the game, nothing about building the source [22:01] fire|bird, what freezing up? [22:01] ii got it [22:01] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "i honestly dont give a crap :|" [22:01] it's fine [22:01] the makefile supports DESTDIR and you just need to set the vars correctly...it's not that bad [22:01] sorry was afk, what'd I miss? [22:01] i even packaged it already [22:02] now I'll write a SlackBuild [22:02] dive: no, but giving beeps and I was running memtest and it halted and had type Inv_Op which after some googling indicates cpu (possibly voltage issues). [22:02] and all the kittens in the world will follow me around [22:02] kittenwar.com [22:02] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:02] ok, antiwire, i would like to see how you do the SlackBuild [22:02] i would look at it closer but i shut off my desktop already, this laptop does not have X of any filemanagers\ [22:03] thumbs: any suggestions mate? [22:03] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] jplcrd, is there a driver for your USB headseat? [22:03] it didn't help running pkgtool [22:04] paissad-hp: sort cups out yet? [22:04] eviljames, i'm on it, [22:04] not solved yet [22:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.198.217) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] well, i'd bet that cups has an option in the conf file to tell it where to listen. [22:06] dchmelik: yup, only for windows though :/ [22:06] jplcrd, i meant did you check if ALSA has a driver? [22:06] Family_guy (n=ecnrdoi@189.82.37.244) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:06] dngr (n=dngr@n11649137070.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] eviljames, i've added this option, LISTEN 192.168.1.10:631 to the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, i now have another error onto the web browser ! [22:08] i have " 403 FORBIDDEN" [22:08] dchmelik: I suppose so, it's worked before. running alsamixer -c 2 allows me to control the headset, and its correctly recognized (Card: Creative HS-1200 Headset Chip: USB Mixer ) [22:08] i got this: "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) xset: bad font path element (#87), possible causes are: Directory does not exist or has wrong permissions" [22:09] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] Pupuser402-1: you need to install the nvidia drivers. [22:10] Pupuser402-1: did you install the nvidia drivers on this install yet? [22:10] yes [22:10] i did [22:10] aah, that's why the X -configure xorg.conf didn't work properly [22:11] Fatalnix (n=bhodgins@64.223.231.203) joined ##slackware. [22:11] crap [22:11] did you install it from sbopkg? [22:11] paissad-hp: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+question/7880 from ubuntu but seems to fit. [22:11] with the generic kernel, svgalib_helper invalid module format [22:11] I think its... [22:11] no, i installed the nvidiadriver from nvidia.com [22:11] vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [22:11] slackware 12.2 [22:12] Fatalnix, known problem. Either rebuild it yourself or edit /etc/vga/libvga.config and change the NoHelper setting. [22:12] ah ok, I was just dropping in the word [22:12] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [22:13] sure, np and thx. [22:13] exile (n=chatzill@adsl-69-224-94-181.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] "kbuildsycoca running....." [22:14] is the last thing of the output in the console [22:15] Fatalnix, it's going to be dropped from next release anyway due to some incompatablities I believe. So if NoHelper works for you speedwise best to get used to it. [22:15] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8971F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [22:16] hahahaha [22:16] Fatalnix: did you install svgalib_helper-1.9.25_2.6.27.7-i486-2_slack12.2 [22:16] causes bochs to segfault with nohelper [22:16] ouch [22:17] from slackware-12.2/patches/packages [22:17] hmm. may be fixed in 2.4, but 2.4 fails to copile [22:17] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [22:17] exile (n=chatzill@adsl-69-224-94-181.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:18] I'm not sure which svgalib_helper it was, whatever was on the dvd [22:18] That one was broked and a new one was added to patches [22:18] yeah it really stinks I don't have a mouse [22:18] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] hmm [22:19] ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/svgalib_helper-1.9.25_2.6.27.7-i486-2_slack12.2.tgz [22:19] uh oh [22:20] paissad-hp, you may have a permissions problem in some cups file [22:20] mirrors.usc.edu not found when I try to get to it in lynx (not via slack website)... secx [22:20] fasdfasd (n=hkhjkfh@76.235.51.228) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] Fatalnix, no mouse in console? Or X? [22:20] paissad-hp, you may also have to configure cups more [22:20] got it [22:20] I don't physicly have a mouse [22:20] I lost it [22:20] dchmelik, ok , thanks [22:21] ah, no mouse in real life Ä [22:21] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:21] i have also permission problems in slackware 12.2 i think [22:22] it has been years since i used cups but i recall solving a problem like that [22:22] i think the answer is in cups docs (html docs) [22:22] http://lynx.isc.org/current/index.html [22:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.28) joined ##slackware. [22:23] should probably make a perl script with use X11::GuiTest so I can use keyboard -> mouse [22:25] can slackware play DRM encrypted WMA videos? [22:25] ok, I created a .SlackBuild but I used patch to handle the Makefile stuff [22:26] nvm... bochs segfaults anyways... I'll just get the slackbuild, it just won't be as modifiable [22:26] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89B5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:27] antiwire, let me know if you upload them anywhere... [22:27] Action: Fatalnix hgates people who dont put uninstall in their make [22:27] antiwire, I'm getting impatient to 13 to be released only so I can get around to updating build scripts. Already had to patch one to work with -current. [22:27] funny that's the only reason. [22:27] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Well, this laptop is running alright on battery, could it be a power cord issue not giving the right voltage? [22:28] fire|bird: umm [22:28] i think tome is good enough to go on SBopkg [22:28] fire|bird, could be [22:28] is it safe to use slackbuilds from 12.2 on current ? [22:28] just a thought and trying to diagnose what's going on. [22:28] deco, some work, some do not [22:28] deco, can be safe but won't necesarily work [22:29] i have only installed b43-cutter and the nvidia drivers , they have been working well [22:29] where can i get 12.1? [22:29] fire|bird, swap power adaptor for that working one and listen out for screaming. [22:29] dive: that would explain memtest giving an error to do with cpu voltage, eh? [22:29] Chakravanti, most of the mirrors still have it [22:30] dive: I don't have another adapter for this laptop, but could borrow one eventually. [22:30] fire|bird, could be. A big power drain might cause it. [22:30] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] dive: It's on a slax live cd right now, running just fine, no issues [22:30] archiebenedict (n=chatzill@adsl-69-224-93-67.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] fire|bird, if it only happens testing sw then it could very well be the reason. [22:30] dive: and, that could explain too why sometimes when the power adapter is connected, the light that should come on doesn't? [22:31] fire|bird, yes maybe. [22:31] fire|bird, could be a dodgy connection or maybe adaptor is borked. [22:31] Also could explain why slax is saying the battery is at 41% when after being plugged in for days, it should be at 100% [22:31] or around 100% [22:31] fire|bird, I have one that hisses when you power off and leave it connected. [22:32] phillipsm1 (n=matt@173-20-30-158.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:32] fire|bird, how long you been running on bat? [22:32] dive: Well mine doesn't do that, but something isn't right. :P [22:32] dive: about 30-45 minutes [22:32] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-121.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [22:33] Well, wait, maybe not even that long, I still had it on adapter when running memtest [22:33] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [22:33] does sound like a power issue somewhere. [22:34] battery's down to 36% now, it shouldn't be going that fast, should it? [22:34] :P [22:34] Pupuser402-1 (n=puppy@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [22:34] But the cause could be a dodgy adaptor or something in the laptop. [22:34] fire|bird, you're typing too much - it's wearing it down :P [22:35] I'm not typing at all on it, it's just sitting there. :P I'm online on my desktop. :P [22:35] muh [22:35] Action: dive needs a refill of coffee [22:37] and spag bols [22:37] batteries degade with time, i don't expect more than 45 minutes if i am using things that sap power: screen, wifi, etc [22:38] I'm downloading ultimate boot cd now to run some tests too. [22:38] mancha: yeah, screen is on and wifi is running. [22:38] both those things eat up electrons [22:38] not connected, but on. [22:38] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] But it's running just fine right now without the power cord. [22:38] no issues [22:39] I do know that the power adapter is NOT the original one. [22:39] yeah from what i read you're just worried that the battery gets eaten up fast, thats par for the course [22:39] re [22:39] mancha: Not worried so much, just watching it go down, down, down quickly. :P [22:39] if it lasts less than 45 minutes (much less) then your battery is shot [22:39] local blackout; tunder hit a pole [22:39] does depend on the age of the battery [22:39] gaurav_ (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [22:40] first thing i bought for laptops are new batteries [22:40] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Connection reset by peer [22:40] dive: Well, the laptop is from 07 and as far as I know, the battery is original. [22:40] Nick change: gaurav_ -> Guest2148 [22:40] the one that came with it. [22:40] yeah the battery is prolly degraded. they don't last forever [22:41] yeah, that'll probably be the next thing to get for it. :P [22:41] I need ram in this [22:41] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-117-63.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] got 512mb atm [22:41] dive: same here, 2 256 modules [22:41] change the keyboard tonight [22:42] ugh [22:42] ram before memory...you don't know how much difference ram makes [22:42] heh [22:42] ram before battery i mean [22:42] I don't know where to put all the BS that this thing has [22:42] haha [22:42] EHLO! [22:42] hey agentc0re [22:42] agentc0re, hi [22:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:42] antiwire, you mean the SlackBuild patch? [22:42] fire|bird: got a response from RMA. Rejection. [22:42] So i replied with a longer plee.. [22:43] is it kosher to make BINDIR=/usr/lib/$TOOL and LIBDIR=/usr/lib/$TOOL ? [22:43] mancha: ram isn't to expensive for this one either. PC2700 333. 1G for about $24.99 [22:43] lol "kosher" [22:43] I don't like that [22:43] antiwire sure [22:43] agentc0re: dang, that sucks. Good luck. :) [22:43] putting binaries in lib is kinda shitty [22:43] If that doesn't work.. I will try and send in my drawing of lemonparty and see if that's worth a trade in for a replacement RMA MB. [22:43] mail was there [22:43] Quiznos: yeah i'll take advice from you...not [22:43] i.e. no library ones [22:43] antiwire your loss [22:44] i;m a wealth of info [22:45] antiwire: I've seen some programs made that way. Not sure if it's necessary. if you are doing it for a slackbuild maybe ask in #slackbuilds...even though most the folks from there are from here at least it'll stand out over there. [22:45] you should try showing that wealth of info sometime. :) [22:45] fire|bird++ [22:45] its best to try to stay close to the fs hierarchy - my opinion [22:45] hahaha [22:45] Quiznos: from your /whois: Real name: * I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc * LMAO!! [22:46] lol [22:46] antiwire, i have copied the license to a file... if you have not done that yet i could email you it for the SlackBuild... the way my network is i cannot send stuff for some reason [22:46] lol; tyvm, we aim to pls. :) [22:46] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [22:46] we? you're multiple people? [22:46] jstarcher (n=jstarche@75-38-155-182.lightspeed.kentoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] it's a frase [22:46] he's the clone ranger [22:47] the royal "we" [22:47] todd [22:47] the only clone ranger that's all alone. :) [22:47] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [22:48] I think i needs a beer. :D [22:48] fire|bird, what you going to do with the *ultimate* boot cd then? [22:48] I did have a look at that site [22:48] juan--d-1-b (n=juan--d-@190.165.29.167) joined ##slackware. [22:49] dive: It has all sorts of tools to run for testing various things, gonna see if it gives any enlightening info. [22:49] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "Reconnecting" [22:49] dont forget the *stone benchemarks [22:49] Action: BP{k} usually aims to hit a target right where it's most effective. ;) not to please ;) [22:49] Nick change: juan--d-1-b -> juan--d-_-b [22:50] decorum BP{k}, decorum [22:50] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [22:51] fire|bird, grab that other adaptor (by hook or by crook) and see if power light comes on ;-) [22:51] dive: The one I'd borrow is with a family member 45 miles away. :P [22:52] bah that's a long drive [22:52] yeah [22:52] and that's one way. :P [22:52] I'd have to get home again. :P [22:52] Action: fire|bird rents a helicopter. :) [22:53] Well it's a good way to test if it is the problem. [22:53] yeah, I'll get it eventually to try. [22:53] (Don't forget take laptop with you or that's 180 miles) [22:54] dchmelik: got it going now [22:54] yeah, that long drive for nothing. :P [22:54] one sec and i'll paste the stuff [22:54] srecko1 (n=srecko@78-1-176-195.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [22:54] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.120.220) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:54] cool [22:54] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.120.220) joined ##slackware. [22:54] I'm a bit impressed by this keyboard. No more missing letters (not many anyway). Now it's just missing words. New frontal lobe needed perhaps. [22:55] haha [22:55] those are harder to replace than a keyboard. [22:55] and you don't see many on ebay these days. [22:56] what type of keyboard? [22:56] T42 [22:56] hmm... that is not 'model M,' so i have never heard of it [22:56] dive: nope, and the ones you do see are expensive. [22:56] dchmelik: that's a laptop. :) [22:58] need a new one for desktop now though. I bought this fancy looking alu one from a local shop. The left ctrl key stopped working a couple of weeks ago and now F12 has gone. No longer have receipt either :( [22:58] ouch [22:58] that'll teach me. [22:58] I guess so. :P [23:01] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] i know who some of the Slackware dev team is, but i wonder who does SBopkg.... [23:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:02] dchmelik, Chess [23:02] with contributions from some others. [23:02] actually I meant slackbuilds.org... i think i have seen the SBopkg 'about' page or something.... [23:03] chess does it [23:03] slackbuilds.org was started by Erik and some others I believe [23:03] (s)he must be an important person [23:03] don't feed his ego! [23:03] dchmelik: for the slackbuilds.org team members: http://slackbuilds.org/contact/ [23:04] \o/, battery power running out message. :P [23:04] ooh [23:05] aha, much of the team is in here.... [23:05] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:05] fire|bird, sounds like battery is foobar if it started as 100% 45 mins ago [23:05] dive: Well, I tried plugging in the adapter I do have, for now anyway, the light came on. [23:06] dive: and slax is showing the laptop being plugged in. [23:06] that's a good sign then [23:06] yeah, for now anyway. :P [23:07] earlier I hibernated PC, took out battery, replaced keyboard, put battery back in, powered up. I was still connected to irc Ä [23:08] if i am talking about slackbuilds should i really be in #slackbuilds? [23:08] dive: \o/, I assume screen + irssi ftw? [23:08] fire|bird, indeed. [23:08] dchmelik, you may get a better response there. [23:08] dchmelik: Well, the channel isn't there for nothing. :P [23:08] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-77-187.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:09] hello again happy people [23:10] :-( [23:10] dive: this keyboard is interesting: http://us.kensington.com/html/15231.html [23:10] what? i can't sleep [23:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:12] dive: 11 minutes left of UBCD download. :P [23:12] good night all [23:12] nn [23:12] night hitest [23:12] night dive, fire|bird:) [23:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:13] hey i have a question: why isn't Slackware 13 RC2 or Slackware64 13 RC2 automatically loading my LUKS and LVM? usually i can reverse the order of them in rc.0 and rc.S (because mine is LUKS first them LVM, i.e. sda3 = LUKS, containing LVM of /home and swap) and it works, but this time it does not regardless. i get a locking failure. this is fresh install of both using the most recent refresh, full install, hugesmp.s kernel. [23:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:14] dchmelik: PM ok with you? [23:15] TwinReverb: didn't you have it working before? [23:15] i even specifically programmed rc.S and rc.0 using the exact commands, yet running vgchange/vgscan right after cryptsetup etc results in seeing "locking failure" twice, even though it's set to give each one second (sleep 1s) [23:16] thrice`, yes and the same exact thing now no longer works [23:16] well, *something* is different [23:16] it's done that before, had to put everything in rc.local (don't know why it doesn't work in rc.S and rc.0 but does in rc.local) [23:16] like with say 12.2 and -current before -rc1 [23:17] i had to put the commands in rc.local, etc [23:17] even though there's still a /etc/crypttab and everything [23:17] (i.e. i was following alienBOB's README_CRYPT) [23:20] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [23:21] brb test time [23:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:24] I bet dchmelik is out in the woods [23:24] in the high desert actually [23:24] lol [23:25] but it is sort of like plains and small hills [23:25] chaparral? [23:25] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.71.13) joined ##slackware. [23:25] i think so [23:25] look over the SlackBuild so you can see what I've done [23:25] also, less the Makefile.diff [23:26] it is compiling... now i will look at it... i am no master of diffs.... [23:27] I'm not a sed/awk master so I prefer to diff and patch, even though it might not be the coolest method. [23:27] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] it worked on my 64-bit system [23:28] :) [23:28] cool [23:28] does it run? [23:28] i will check [23:29] it works even though it says it is an i486 package [23:29] i guess i forgot to change that [23:30] I don't have 64bit capability otherwise I'd test on that arch [23:31] btw that's pretty much a good example of a bad SlackBuild-able program [23:31] i am not sure why [23:31] it requires manual Makefile mucking about on top of variable settings [23:31] It's sane and all that but not elegant [23:32] is it possible for a relatively amateur slackware user to upgrade from 32 to 64 bit slack? [23:32] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] As far as I know there is no upgrade path for 32 to 64 [23:32] you clean install [23:32] dchmelik: what is your $ARCH set to? [23:32] i left it on i486 [23:32] but i will change it [23:33] I use the latest template file as my skel ;) [23:33] i cant seem to find an iso. all the ones i see are about 1.6 gb for slackware 64, but the 12.2 dvd is over 4 GB. seems like something must be missing, or i'm missing something [23:33] antiwire, what does that mean? [23:33] dchmelik: the better method is set up your shell start up files so it sets the ARCH there. [23:34] dchmelik: http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [23:34] /etc/profile? [23:34] There is no official Slackware64 ISO yet. [23:34] ie my bashrc has 'export ARCH="x86_64"' [23:34] dchmelik: compare that file to the one I sent you so you can see what I did [23:34] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.23.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:35] I've packaged two pieces of software today [23:35] archiebenedict: as Motoko-chan pointed out, it is not slackware's policy to release -current ISOs. So any iso's you see, are unofficial and not supported, ask whoever made them what the difference is. [23:36] I'm guessing the unofficial -current images leave out sources. [23:36] ah, ok thanks [23:36] archiebenedict: having said all that, since {64,}-current uses txz instead of tar.gz for all it's packages, it's quite possible for the fact that is it smaller and they left the sources out [as once again Motoko-chan pointed out before me]. [23:36] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:37] Yeah, given the massive size difference, it isn't just the new package compression [23:37] no sources... hmmm thats pretty much a sin [23:37] archiebenedict: uhm, how so? [23:37] it just feels wrong [23:37] okay, yeah ;) [23:37] i only use gentoo and slackware [23:38] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] archiebenedict: personally I keep a full local mirror of slackware, so if I need an iso, I'll just roll one myself. [23:38] but of course i havnt used slackware since i got a 64 bit processor [23:38] slamd64? [23:38] Nemeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-87-124.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:39] i downloaded it, but never really used it [23:39] I just run 32-bit slackware on my 64-bit processor o_o [23:39] All of my boxen are 64bit so it's what's for dinner here. [23:39] lol the gentoo side of me wouldnt allow that [23:40] and people in here stressed the whole unofficial part of slamd64 being a slackware port [23:40] so i am trying to be patient, waiting for an official 64 bit slack [23:41] It behaves more or less like the real thing. [23:41] Slamd64 works quite fine [23:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-253.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] $ cat /etc/slackware-version [23:41] Slackware 10.2.0 (x86_64) [23:41] My install is beaten out of recognizable shape though. [23:41] Yeah, it's a bit old. [23:41] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-87-124.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Slamd64 10.2 [23:42] Not even 10.2b [23:42] Slamd64 12.2.0 [23:42] ok so best bet is to download slamd64? [23:43] That's a good question. [23:43] If you want something stable and tested, it works great. [23:43] It's also multi-lib. [23:43] Slackware64 is 64-bit only last i heard. [23:43] Slack 13.0 is imminent, and I had to hack some pieces the make Slamd64 happy. [23:44] Happy with what? [23:44] E.g. dhcpcd segfaults on the way down during init 0. [23:44] wsp4th (n=wperry@c-75-66-183-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] Interesting. [23:44] Why not report it? [23:44] I'm sure it would be fixed. [23:44] has anyone attempted Slackware-current on Amazon EC2 [23:44] I wound up compiling a later version. [23:45] And things got much happier. [23:45] Send a report [23:46] i am getting this when i boot http://pastebin.com/d35e72103 [23:46] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:46] dhcpcd-2.x segfaults on 64bit, and it won't be fixed. [23:47] It's abandoned upstream. [23:47] We've got 3.2.x in what will be Slackware 13.0, and it's got at least one obscure bug affecting a few people, but oh well. [23:48] what's the bug? I'm excited [23:48] What's the bug, tell me what's a happenin? [23:48] is it the lease time bug? [23:49] For some people, it doesn't accept an offered address. [23:49] Hmm... Haven't seen that here fortunately., [23:49] There have been *3* reports. One of them was a bad dhcp server, and fixing it eliminated the bug. [23:49] anyone attempted Slackware-current as a Xen guest [23:50] I've got 5.0.6 built and working here along with modified network-scripts, but there's not enough time to give it adequte testing for this release. [23:50] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:50] wsp4th: nope [23:50] wsp4th: but should work just fine. [23:50] it blowing up on me http://pastebin.com/d35e72103 [23:52] wow [23:52] Do you have xen enabled in the kernel? [23:52] the kernel in slackware-current should have paravirtualization enabled iirc [23:52] if it doesn't.. you'll have to rebuild it with that enabled. [23:53] yeah it's not set [23:53] you'll need to rebuild [23:55] antiwire: do you know since I'm encrypting both /, and /home, if luks is going to ask me for a password twice on boot? :P [23:55] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [23:55] tozefs (n=_tozefs_@65-78-109-129.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [23:56] yep 2 times [23:57] crap..oh well. I like having a seperate /home so I guess I can live with that [23:57] chopp: unfortunately, I didn't dawn on me earlier but that's one thing that LVM can fix. I don't split home from / so I didn't think about it then [23:57] I/It [23:58] antiwire: ahh ok, well no big deal. Thanks for that now anyway [23:58] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Aug 11 2009