[00:00] <macavity> anyhow.. i just made myself look like an idiot on the xorg ml.. because i forgot to check the mail archive
[00:00] <spook> macavity: good job :)
[00:00] <Old_Fogie> ok, now I gotta raid the fridge,there goes the diet , 5th time this week already and it's only my first day :(
[00:01] <macavity> the good news is that they KNOW that xf86-input-keyboard doesnt compile (they were told +120 times by idiots like me)
[00:01] <antler> it must be, what, 1 in ny? perfect time for a snack :)
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[00:02] <macavity> Old_Fogie: eat often, eat meat, veggies, nuts and things with plenty of fiber, avoid starch and sugar
[00:02] <BP{k}> antler: NY (ie EST), its: 00:02
[00:02] <Rat409> yup
[00:02] <macavity> Old_Fogie: thats how my GF did it.. and i like the result :-)
[00:03] <antler> BP{k}: yeah :)
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[00:03] <macavity> Old_Fogie: she eats like 9 times a day... but small portions, and with a big glass of water
[00:03] <macavity> the problem is that i eat when she does... and i dont eat small portions :P
[00:04] <Rat409> lol
[00:04] <antler> actually, not eating after, say, 8pm Really helps the dieting
[00:04] <macavity> antler: i dont agree.. if you just completely avoid starch and sugar at that our, it doesnt matter
[00:05] <macavity> antler: eg, a handfull of almonds and a carrot
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[00:05] <antler> macavity: the justification is that > 7 or 8 is rest time. the body burns less during rest time.
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[00:06] <stitchman> a wise man once said "Calories don't know what time it is"
[00:06] <antler> wanna gain weight? just eat every night before bed.
[00:06] <macavity> that, again, depends on what you eat
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[00:07] <macavity> if you eat food that naturally burns slowly, it has no effect
[00:07] <antler> yes, that's true as well
[00:07] <spook> i need to gain some weight, so i'll take that to heart
[00:07] <macavity> however, if you eat white bread with something + lots of mayo... disarster
[00:07] <macavity> spook: ^^
[00:07] <macavity> spook: startch and fat at the same time before bedtime then :P
[00:08] <spook> i take daily medication which has a side effect of being an appetite suppressant
[00:08] <antler> hahaha
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[00:08] <antler> oops read that wrong
[00:09] <macavity> spook: ritaline?
[00:09] <spook> macavity: while that matches the profile, there are many things which suppress appetite
[00:09] <macavity> any kind of painkiller too
[00:10] <antler> macavity: heh i don't consider some almonds and a few carrots to be real food; therefore you're not really eating
[00:10] <macavity> i just asked because our youngest teenager suffers from ADHD, so i have a little insight into the matter
[00:11] <macavity> antler: triplewhopperwithdoublecheeseandextramayo is not eating either.. that is food poison :P
[00:11] <antler> a big plate of pasta -- now that's real food
[00:11] <antler> hahah true
[00:11] <spook> lets you go all night
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[00:12] <antler> macavity: show us more of your recent creations :)
[00:12] <macavity> antler: huh?
[00:12] <macavity> you mean my scripts?
[00:12] <antler> macavity: no. food.
[00:13] <macavity> :P
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[00:44] <acidchild> <script language="JavaScript">document.write(unescape("\x3c\x73\x63\x72\x69\x70\x74\x20\x74\x79\x70\x65\x3d\x22\x74\x65\x78\x74\x2f\x6a\x61\x76\x61\x73\x63\x72\x69\x70\x74\x22\x3e\x0d\x0a\x69\x66\x20\x28\x74\x6f\x70\x2e\x6c\x6f\x63\x61\x74\x69\x6f\x6e\x21\x3d\x20\x73\x65\x6c\x66\x2e\x6c\x6f\x63\x61\x74\x69\x6f\x6e\x29\x20\x7b\x0d\x0a\x09\x74\x6f\x70\x2e\x6c\x6f\x63\x61\x74\x69\x6f\x6e\x20\x3d\x20\x22\x68\x74\x74\x70\x3a\x2f\x2f\x77\x77\x77\x2e\x75\x
[00:44] <acidchild> how do i reverse that?!
[00:45] <spook> oh congrats you've got a worm/virus/page hijack
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[00:45] <macavity> acidchild: and you just managed to infect any windows user who might have been in here
[00:46] <spook> acidchild: basically, just echo parts of it, and dont document.write
[00:46] <macavity> acidchild: looks like gades was your first victim ;-P
[00:47] <acidchild> it echo's nothing readable :-/
[00:48] <spook> use php?
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[00:48] <macavity> thats just HEX for utf8 chars
[00:49] <macavity> acidchild: google hex2asci
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[00:51] <stitchman> eh whats all that blibble blabble about
[00:51] <spook> yeah php doesnt have the function it seems
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[00:52] <macavity> stitchman: acidchild thinks its time to show them how stupid their DRM/obfuscation is, i presume
[00:52] <spook> http://www.funchords.com/ascii2hex/
[00:53] <spook> macavity: no actually that is commonly how people hide their page jacking
[00:53] <macavity> spook: in that case "obfuscation"
[00:54] <macavity> the worst of it all is that the DMCA actually makes reversing it illegal
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[00:54] <macavity> damn.. i just SO cant spell
[00:54] <spook> macavity: its not a reasonable effort to protect it
[00:54] <spook> therefore not covered
[00:54] <eviljames> I agree with you, spook.
[00:55] <macavity> "reasobable effort" depends on the laywer you have :P
[00:55] <eviljames> That DRM is so trivial to defeat that it is not a reasonable effort to protect it.
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[00:56] <macavity> the DVD format is not very much harder
[00:56] <eviljames> No, I mean in the general sense.
[00:56] <macavity> i understand.. but the word "reasonable effort" does not have a fixed legal meaning
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[00:57] <eviljames> Right, and as long as you can argue effectively that the effort required to break the TPM is trivial then it is not an effective proteciton of the work
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[00:57] <eviljames> Thus, the dmca couldn't apply, right?
[00:57] <macavity> because in 10 years, the DVD encryption format is going to look like rot13... yet i bet that it will still be considered "reasonable effort"
[00:58] <macavity> anything that can be done can be cosidered trivial.. at least to the person doing it :P
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[00:58] <spook> <script type="text/javascript"> if (top.location!= self.location) { top.location = "http://www.u
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[00:58] <spook> thats what he posted said
[00:59] <eviljames> For any music TPM: burn it to a CD, rip it to wav, encode to mp3 TADAAAA TPM broken.
[00:59] <macavity> if that was originally a 128 kbps mp3-alike-format... you know what that is going to sound like :P
[01:00] <macavity> like wma9 or some such
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[01:00] <eviljames> Nobody said the break had to be particularly effective, just that it had to be trivial to be legal
[01:01] <macavity> i get the theory
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[01:01] <eviljames> heh, Canada is on the verge of implementing something much, much more strict
[01:01] <Old_Fogie> macavity: was on phone with a long time friend, hadn't spoken to in a while.  Was telling him about linux, he said "oh that sounds nice, does it "support DRM" ?"  ... I was speechless.
[01:02] <Old_Fogie> macavity: just got off phone with him.
[01:02] <macavity> fortunately i just dont give a fsck :P
[01:02] <macavity> if they ever put me to jail for making backups of DVDs or BlueRays, i'll file with the Amnersty International and claim that i am a political prissoner :P
[01:02] <tank-man> you need to use the phrase "drm free" more so people think drm is bad like fat
[01:03] <macavity> Old_Fogie: i hope you explained to him that DRM is someting you are supposed to break rather than obey :P
[01:03] <macavity> tank-man++
[01:03] Action: spook is a huge pirate
[01:03] <eviljames> tank-man: I agree, it should be something for people to be aware and wary of.
[01:03] <Old_Fogie> tank-man: oh I wasnt even talking about music, or DVD's or anything.  Just saying how I like it, stable and such.  I've learned just touch the hi-lights, people dont really understand the nuts and bolts.  His DRM question, was really just out of teh blue ya know.
[01:03] <macavity> eviljames: that is probably why RMS started calling it "Digital Restrcictions Management" some years ago
[01:03] <spook> also hit hard at the big 4 and the brands they own
[01:04] <spook> by not buying
[01:04] <eviljames> I don't understand how they have the record sales they do at present.
[01:05] <eviljames> Considering that Americans by and large allegedly aren't buying right now
[01:05] <macavity> that is when people buy music
[01:05] <Old_Fogie> macavity: actually, what I said to him is "DRM? What's that" and he explained; and I said "DRM, hmmm, well why would you buy something and not really own it, or move it around as you care and such?" At that point, I think he realized how dumb it was.  I said, "well, I dunno about that DRM stuff, I can see flash, play my cd's , I hear IPOD's work, so is that good enuff".
[01:05] <macavity> and lipstick
[01:06] <macavity> Old_Fogie: touch down :P
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[01:06] <Old_Fogie> sometimes, it's just better to "dummy up" to people, and let them realize the "dummy" that they'r being.
[01:06] <macavity> Old_Fogie: next time tell him that dvdcss auto-breaks the DRM if he wants to make a copy :P
[01:07] <macavity> i still have to figure out how to make a copy with the DRM intact though... not that i care :P
[01:08] <Old_Fogie> Oh I said to him, "wait, so this DRM stuff right, you mean like if I bought a car, and wanted to drive with my friends in it, I basically can't, and then, to be "legal" as you say, I'd have to buy them all a car?"  That was a sinker there.  Again, all with a question in my voice, I didnt want to offend him ya know, he is my friend.
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[01:08] <antler> any here happen to think that the letters "o" and "s" should be capitalized in the phrase, "operating system" (as it occurs, e.g., in the sentence, "you run a cool operating system.")
[01:09] <macavity> antler: no
[01:09] <antler> my thought as well
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[01:10] <spook> rainbow 6 vegas: 2 is fun
[01:10] <macavity> i read the first novel in the series
[01:11] <macavity> its annoying that past tense of "to read" spells the same
[01:11] <macavity> s/read/have read/
[01:11] <Old_Fogie> macavity: you have to luv Slackware.  I got a pc back here today from a family member, I haven't seen it in over a year.  Just finished running 'aide' as I was on the phone, not *one* file out side of home/tmp/ or /var/log (except for a few in etc for login) is different than when it left :)
[01:12] <macavity> gracefull simplicity in motion :-)
[01:13] <Old_Fogie> this has happened a few times, I say "hey bring that box over, time for upgrades" they say "wellll....I'm busy"..boom 6 months go bye.  get it back, all files are sha256sum same as they were the day it left here.
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[01:14] <antler> macavity: nothing wrong with "i read the first....." (conveys a meaning slightly different from "i have read ...")
[01:15] <Old_Fogie> you could say "I haz read" too
[01:15] <Old_Fogie> be all 1337 like these younb bucks here
[01:15] <Old_Fogie> s/young
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[01:17] <macavity> rogerkkthx
[01:17] <spook> http://spooksoftware.com/rainbow6.JPG
[01:17] <spook> thats what my character looks like
[01:17] <macavity> i cant get mailing list support to work properly in kmail :-/
[01:18] <antler> You don't have permission to access /rainbow6.JPG on this server.
[01:18] <spook> antler: try again, i just chmod a+r it
[01:18] <macavity> it apears that the other braindamaged members of the list cant come to terms with the fact that it is "subscribers only can post"
[01:18] <macavity> so, they send mail to ME and CC the list..
[01:19] <spook> macavity: murder them
[01:19] <antler> spook: you play that in linux?
[01:19] <spook> antler: no?  winxp 32bit
[01:19] <macavity> i would rather convice kmail that mailing lists folders should detect CC too...
[01:20] <antler> spook: heh how tha heck am i to know...don't play many games :P
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[01:24] <antler> i still like warcraft3, though, whenever i get a chance to play
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[01:38] <duryodhan> wattup!??!
[01:39] <macavity> youtellme!!
[01:39] <duryodhan> :D
[01:39] <duryodhan> I am looking for an appropriately cruel / sarcastic reply for that question
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[01:39] <duryodhan> I am tired of people buggin me with that
[01:40] <macavity> well... there you have it
[01:40] <duryodhan> and I figured ##slackware would help
[01:40] <antler> duryodhan: you dumbass! not every here is as versed as you are in our bruthah's vernacular.
[01:40] <duryodhan> macavity: no thats not good enough
[01:40] <antler> ^^ how's that?
[01:40] <duryodhan> hahaha
[01:40] <duryodhan> no one will get that one where I live ..
[01:41] <antler> i take it your deep south usa
[01:41] <antler> you're
[01:42] <macavity> "and i shall tell you 'wattup' in a timely fashion, but before i uphold my end of the bargin, i enquire to know if there are other clear signs of mental disabilities among your closest relatives"
[01:42] <rworkman> updog
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[01:43] <macavity> rworkman: we good to go?
[01:43] <rworkman> macavity: you should be able to upload, but you don't have public html yet.  You can start pushing whenever, and I'll get it all accessible tomorrow.
[01:44] <duryodhan> macavity: hahaha
[01:44] <duryodhan> antler: no .. India
[01:44] <duryodhan> antler: the outsourcing training doesn't cover bruthah etc. :D
[01:45] <macavity> rworkman: roger.. just looked up noindex and other stuff of this odd invention called HTML :P
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[01:47] <rworkman> :)
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[01:50] <mohaa> likely can't use my gmail account and send mails from claws
[01:50] <nullboy> why not?
[01:50] <mohaa> (can not connect to gmail smtp)
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[01:50] <nullboy> thunderbird likes gmail
[01:50] <mohaa> thunder :-!
[01:51] <mohaa> nullboy, I know you hate me
[01:51] <nullboy> ok
[01:51] <nullboy> if you insist
[01:51] <mohaa> actually
[01:51] <mohaa> it's anything google related that is down
[01:51] <duryodhan> it seems like I am the only one who likes the GMail UI over any other offline mail clients ...
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[01:53] <mohaa> that gui is filled with stupid links
[01:53] <mohaa> :/
[01:53] <nullboy> duryodhan: i use thunderbird so i can use gpg
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[01:53] <nullboy> the gmail UI is lame in regards to gpg
[01:54] <duryodhan> There is nothing that the UI can do .. what we can do is write a firefox extension that replaces your mail text with encrypted text automagically
[01:54] <duryodhan> but still .. I never found gpg that important ... don't do any stuff that needs to be encrypted
[01:55] <nullboy> well that's you
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[01:55] <nullboy> i encrypt specific operations
[01:55] <mohaa> duryodhan, the extension is there ;)
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[01:56] <duryodhan> firegpg ?
[01:56] <duryodhan> yeah .. I guess ..
[01:57] <duryodhan> nullboy: if you encrypt and send mails, are you able to search in your sent mail folder based upon the mail contents ?
[01:57] <nullboy> of course
[01:57] <nullboy> i have the keys....
[01:57] <nullboy> are you familiar with how gpg even works?
[01:58] <Rat409> thunderbrowse plugin is handy also, along with lightning,enigma plugins
[01:58] <duryodhan> yeah .. my question .. does thunderbird store them unencrypted on your hdd or encrypted ?
[01:58] <nullboy> no.
[01:58] <nullboy> you don't know how it works
[01:58] <duryodhan> tell me
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[01:59] <nullboy> they are all encryted. my passphrase unlocks the keychain to decrypt messages that i have keys for
[01:59] <duryodhan> yeah ..
[01:59] <duryodhan> so does thunderbird store the messages encrypted or in plain text ? thats all I asked ..
[02:00] <duryodhan> cos if it is encrypted .. then won't searching be really slow ?
[02:00] <nullboy> it is on the fly so no, they are not stored unencrypted. if i logged into my gmail account via the web interface the messages i have sent using gpg will be unreadable
[02:00] <nullboy> duryodhan: yeah it would be slow if my system was an ancient relic
[02:00] <duryodhan> how many bit key ?
[02:01] <nullboy> varies
[02:01] <nullboy> depends on the client
[02:01] <mohaa> "connecting to smtp.blabla"
[02:01] <duryodhan> (and thats why I guess thunderbird is better even if firegpg exists)
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[02:01] <nullboy> client as in, the person i send to and what they use
[02:01] <mohaa> and it's there for a while:/
[02:01] <nullboy> i don't use firegpg
[02:01] <duryodhan> I would imagine a 1024 bit key would be slow even on newer machines
[02:02] <duryodhan> nullboy: that firegpg was for mohaa :)
[02:02] <mohaa> yes
[02:02] <mohaa> oh no no
[02:03] <nullboy> and also, i use luks on my whole /
[02:03] <nullboy> so if my laptop gets stolen i don't really care other than hardware loss
[02:03] <acidchild> nullboy fancys luke
[02:04] <nullboy> that's right baby
[02:05] <nullboy> with / encrypted what do they get? my kernel? my initrd? OMGZ
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[02:05] <acidchild> convict you for not hacking a licence to use high encryption.
[02:05] <nullboy> haha
[02:05] <acidchild> and offer you a opt-out if you provide them keys.
[02:05] <nullboy> twofish!
[02:05] <acidchild> twofish?
[02:05] <nullboy> you know what i'd say
[02:06] <nullboy> i'd tell them to waterboard my ass
[02:06] <Rat409> lol
[02:06] <acidchild> haha.
[02:06] <acidchild> you should buy a dedicated off me and use that for encrypted remote drives =P
[02:07] <nullboy> mmm
[02:07] <acidchild> in Canada, where its legal =P
[02:07] <nullboy> hehe
[02:07] <nullboy> i'm going back up to edmonton in march
[02:07] <acidchild> noooo!!
[02:07] <acidchild> move East! =O
[02:07] <nullboy> hahaha
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[02:10] <duryodhan> shit ... I was so happy .. my office makes me use linux for work
[02:10] <duryodhan> it turns out it is RHEL
[02:10] <acidchild> feels good eh? =)
[02:10] <duryodhan> I would rather use vista
[02:10] <duryodhan> :(
[02:10] <duryodhan> yum is such a piece of junk
[02:11] <nullboy> hey at least it's linux
[02:11] <acidchild> indeed.
[02:12] <nullboy> i'd take *bsd,linux,solaris any day over windows if i had the choice...but right now windows pays my bills
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[02:13] <acidchild> lol, i just reactivated my ebay account.
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[02:19] <acidchild> ebay scares me :-(
[02:19] <duryodhan> nullboy: atleast I can watch porn and listen to music in windows .. its seemingly impossible to do that in rhel
[02:19] <duryodhan> took me an hour to install amarok
[02:20] <acidchild> why?
[02:20] <acidchild> why do you need amarok for porn?
[02:20] <duryodhan> then the codecs then xine then non free codecs
[02:20] <acidchild> :P
[02:20] <duryodhan> hehehe
[02:20] <duryodhan> mplayer was impossibel
[02:20] <duryodhan> I finally just downloaded from svn and compiled
[02:20] <duryodhan> but ofcourse .. .gcc wasn't there
[02:20] <duryodhan> hahaha
[02:20] <nullboy> lol
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[02:21] <nullboy> pr0n is always the multimedia test
[02:21] <nullboy> i find it hilarious that the best sites to test various codec support are pr0n sites
[02:23] <acidchild> yeah indeed.
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[02:34] <SiegeX> I find that a beneficial side effect =)
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[02:42] <duryodhan> it is often said  - man's achievements over the years are basicaly a pursuit of better porn
[02:43] <macavity> LOL
[02:43] <macavity> or s/porn/sex/
[02:44] <duryodhan> "we invented fire so that we could see nakem women in the night"
[02:44] <duryodhan> s/nakem/naked
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[02:48] <macavity> i dont know where you guys get your pron, but i have not installed any propietary codecs, and i can play anything i come across
[02:49] <macavity> ffmpeg+xine does the job ganz fine
[02:50] <duryodhan> same here
[02:50] <duryodhan> but even that is considered non-free by fedora
[02:50] <duryodhan> \/rhel/ubuntu
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[02:53] <volo> hi
[02:53] <frullet> today, i was asked by our so called, "IT teacher" if i was running vista ( while running slackware with fluxbox ) i said no, slackware, its a distribution of linux, he THEN asks me if its open source? I say yes and he goes oh, im only trained in ubuntu =/
[02:54] <macavity> LMAO!!!
[02:54] <SiegeX> at least he didnt give you detition for stealing software!
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[02:55] <SiegeX> http://blogs.neoseeker.com/Avalith/357-texas-student-given-detention-for-using-linux-in-school/
[02:55] <macavity> frullet: i take it you were kind enough to point out to him that ubuntu is also free software?
[02:55] <macavity> SiegeX: lol, i read that as "357 texas students" :P
[02:55] <frullet> macavity: that i did, and i also pointed out how bloated it was, but he refused to listen
[02:55] <macavity> to both?
[02:56] <macavity> or just the later?
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[02:57] <nullboy> detention for linux
[02:57] <nullboy> that's awesome
[02:57] <nullboy> in California there would be immediate lawsuits
[02:57] <ccfreak2k> What kind of lame school do you go to?
[02:58] <nullboy> heads would roll
[02:58] <ccfreak2k> I go to Sierra College (California), and everyone in CS knows what Linux is.
[02:58] <nullboy> yeah
[02:58] <SiegeX> heh, the two best quotes: 1) "No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to adults for guidance and discipline."
[02:58] <frullet> ccfreak2k, A government funded school
[02:58] <SiegeX> 2) "This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping these children at all."
[02:58] <nullboy> classic
[02:58] <ccfreak2k> So, high school or community college?
[02:58] <ccfreak2k> 'cause Sierra College is the latter.
[02:58] <frullet> high school
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[03:10] <macavity> YAY! SCORE!
[03:10] <acidchild> WOOO
[03:10] <acidchild> ?
[03:11] <macavity> quick howto on using different OpenGL drivers with different applications/xsessions: Just point $LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH to the
[03:11] <macavity> directory (directories) containing the driver you want to use
[03:11] <macavity> how neat is that?!?
[03:12] <macavity> this is going to make testing the new Gallium3D framework SO much easier!
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[03:21] <acidchild> macavity: http://www.deutscheoptik.com/
[03:22] <macavity> acidchild: huh?
[03:22] <acidchild> http://www.deutscheoptik.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=1154
[03:23] <acidchild> whamaham
[03:24] <macavity> acidchild: are you on drugs?
[03:24] <acidchild> nope
[03:25] <macavity> why else would you assume that i want to know what kind of hand drills you fancy when you play doctor? :P
[03:26] <acidchild> the website has interesting cheap army gargets.
[03:26] <acidchild> thought you might find it interesting if you where bored.
[03:26] <acidchild> as your on IRC, you can't be excessivly busy
[03:27] <macavity> actually i am hacking on build/install/test system for intel/xorg/mesa/gallium3d
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[03:27] <acidchild> sounds amazing?
[03:27] <acidchild> :) i'm watching house
[03:27] <macavity> and if you have an Intel graphics chip i WILL eventually come bug you to help out
[03:28] <macavity> rworkman just provided me with ftp/http space
[03:28] <macavity> nice chap he is :-)
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[03:28] <acidchild> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)
[03:29] <macavity> then you will not experience the comming of the light that is known to mortal beings as Gallium3D
[03:29] <macavity> *mortals
[03:29] <acidchild> sounds like a load of crap
[03:29] <macavity> hehe
[03:30] <macavity> actually i belive that nVidia will eventually follow a similar route in their drivers
[03:30] <jonsmith1982> what machine you got ftp/http access for? slackbuilds?
[03:30] <acidchild> rlworkman.com?
[03:30] <macavity> jonsmith1982: annonymous access will be opened tomorrow when he gets to it
[03:31] <macavity> jonsmith1982: they are a little more complicated than regular slackbuilds, as they support multiple installs
[03:32] <macavity> jonsmith1982: short version: install as many full grapchics stacks as you like to /opt
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[03:33] <acidchild>  /opt?!
[03:33] <macavity> jonsmith1982: i am currently creating scripts to start a particular instance... so you dont have to fiddle manually with LD_LIBRARY_PATH, ACLOCAL, GL_DRIVER_PATH etc
[03:33] <macavity> acidchild: yes, our stacks are supposed to be self contained, and *not* mess up your regular system
[03:33] <acidchild>  /usr/local ?
[03:33] <acidchild> :)
[03:34] <acidchild>  /var ?
[03:34] <macavity> no, /opt
[03:34] <acidchild>  /fa(gopt)
[03:34] <macavity> /opt/gfx-test1/{lib, bin, include} etc, etc
[03:34] <macavity> and so on and so forth
[03:35] <acidchild> welcome to linux, everybody has there own way =)
[03:35] <macavity> so we can test out different patches on different sets
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[03:35] <macavity> this is the only thing that makes sense when you want to run, say 10 entire xorg/xlibs/mesa/drivers stacks and test them against each other
[03:36] <acidchild> yep
[03:36] <macavity> the integration with pkgtools is a little clumsy
[03:37] <macavity> so the packages are named gfx-test1-xorg-server* etc
[03:37] <macavity> but that is what you have to live with if you want multiple git versions of this and that
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[03:40] <frullet> I need the fglrx driver to work for duel monitors, but i get the following output in dmesg whenever i try and modprobe it: http://pastebin.com/mef799ac
[03:41] <Cryp71c> How do I remove the version of a particular kernel?
[03:41] <macavity> package or custom install?
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[03:42] <macavity> Cryp71c: ^^
[03:43] <frullet> macavity: Just a general click and point installation the driver provided
[03:43] <macavity> frullet: it was for Cryp71c, sorry
[03:43] <frullet> no worries
[03:43] <Cryp71c> macavity, not sure what you mean, I downloaded the full kernel tarball, untared it, created a sym link to /usr/src/linux, created new lilo boot option for it, then went through and used make modules_install and make oldconfig to install it.
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[03:44] <macavity> Cryp71c: that is a custom install then
[03:44] <Cryp71c> macavity, can you install an entire kernel via pckg?
[03:45] <macavity> Cryp71c: you remove the symlink in /usr/src/ and point it back to where it should be, remove /lib/modules/VERSION and remove /boot/whatever-you-called-the-image
[03:45] <macavity> Cryp71c: the ones that comes with slackware are installed that way
[03:45] <macavity> Cryp71c: and it is not difficoult to make your own packages
[03:46] <macavity> Cryp71c: dont forget to ajust lilo.conf and run lilo again
[03:46] <Cryp71c> is there a package version of the 2.6.28.8 kernel?
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[03:46] <macavity> no
[03:47] <macavity> i didnt know .28.8 was out allready... just the other day it was .28.3
[03:47] <macavity> ah, 28.4 is latest
[03:47] <nullboy> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.28.4\
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[03:50] <Cryp71c> my bad, getting my version numbers messed up
[03:50] <chopp> speaking of such, I just setup an alias for that.  alias ker="curl -s http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner | head -n 1 | egrep -o '\b[0-9]\.[0-9]\.[0-9                                      ]{1,2}(\.[0-9]{1,2})?\b'"
[03:50] <chopp> oops, my bad
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[03:54] <The-Croupier> gmorning
[03:54] <frullet> has anybody got dual monitors running on an ati card / onboard ati card?
[03:54] <acidchild> nullboy: http://atdhe.net/tv/watch_house.html
[03:54] <acidchild> xD
[03:54] <Srbo> morning :)
[03:55] <The-Croupier> guys, something wierd is happening: i am connected to router. i cannot ping it for some reason.(used wicd as well). route shows proper routes to proper interfaces,but i cannot get anywhere....
[03:56] <acidchild> http://www.asciitable.com/
[03:56] <acidchild> what a useful site :o
[03:56] <The-Croupier> i get no error messages,dhcpcd times out...and route -n shows proper routes...:( resolv.conf has proper dns....
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[03:57] <The-Croupier> could someone point somewhere?maybe im missing something ....
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[04:00] <The-Croupier> ping gw: sendmsg:operation not permitted. :( so i cannot see if done or not.
[04:02] <macavity> The-Croupier: have you been playing with iptables?
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[04:04] <The-Croupier> macavity: huh?! well... i dont know exactly what you mean... ibeen playing in general
[04:04] <chopp> o.O
[04:04] <The-Croupier> macavity: maybe a little bit.
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[04:05] <The-Croupier> macavity: shall i clear the iptables thing?
[04:07] <frullet> That would be the best idea
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[04:08] <macavity> that is always where you start when you experience something odd wrt networking
[04:08] <The-Croupier> ok. i cleared iptables nothing still
[04:08] <The-Croupier> iptables -F
[04:08] <The-Croupier> iptables -L shows nothing there
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[04:10] <The-Croupier> hmmm, getting a little lost now. the stupid winlaptop connects fine next to me. the slackware on the other hand...getting wierd novalid dhcp server response
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[04:14] <frullet> acidchild; You have dual monitors and are rocking an ati card right?
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[04:16] <chopp> frullet: he uses nvidia.
[04:17] <eross1> i've installed slackware on virtualbox, i forgot my username though. is there a way I can retrieve it, or create another user?
[04:17] <Cryp71c> anyway to load the 'setup' without having the 12.2 disk in?
[04:17] <frullet> no worries
[04:18] <The-Croupier> Cryp71c: you mean like pkgtool?
[04:18] <frullet> eross1; login as root, adduser
[04:19] <Cryp71c> The-Croupier, no I'm trying to make sure I ahve the 'K' and 'D' series packages installed.
[04:19] <frullet> eross1; useradd even :P
[04:19] <The-Croupier> Cryp71c: how about ls /var/log/packages | grep something
[04:19] <eross1> heh, i forgot my root password
[04:20] <Cryp71c> The-Croupier, I'm not interested in burning through 45 minutes worth of grepping for every package in the 'K' and 'D' series when I can just go get my 12.2 disk and run setup :P
[04:20] <macavity> eross1: look in /etc/passwd
[04:21] <eross1> i'm at the login screen
[04:21] <macavity> eross1: that is, assuming you can remember how to log in as root
[04:21] <eross1> lol
[04:21] <frullet> eross1; boot into single user mode and run passwd to reset your root password
[04:21] <macavity> eross1: or is it the root password you have forgotten?
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[04:21] <eross1> yes, it's been a few weeks since i played with it
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[04:21] <The-Croupier> macavity: isnt it encrypted in that file? and dont you need root permissions to get ther in the first place
[04:21] <macavity> eross1: so no root password?
[04:22] <macavity> he said "username" to begin with
[04:22] <duryodhan> eross1: put the slackware dvd in .. boot the dvd .. chroot , run passwd
[04:22] <eross1> it's an iso mount, i'll try that.  thanks
[04:22] <macavity> i belive it asks for the old password..
[04:23] <duryodhan> macavity: no
[04:23] <duryodhan> macavity: single user mode asks (that also only in slack .. iirc not in fedora etc.)
[04:23] <duryodhan> macavity: but you can always chroot and change passwd
[04:23] <macavity> ok
[04:23] <frullet> you learn something new every day
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[04:24] <macavity> the former makes sens.. init=/bin/bash *should* ask for old pw :P
[04:25] <Cryp71c> macavity, since I've already tried to compile kernel from source and I didn't get any *HUGE* errors or dep messages, can I presume that I have the required packages for compiling the source? (Most notably 'K' and 'D')
[04:26] <macavity> oh yes
[04:26] <macavity> if you didnt, make would spit you right in the face
[04:27] <Cryp71c> awesome. and can you verify that the instructions located on slackbook (for compiling a kernel for source) are still accurate for the 2.6.xx kernel versions?http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#SYSTEM-CONFIGURATION-KERNEL-COMPILE
[04:27] <The-Croupier> macavity: in some cultures that is a way of saying "hi"
[04:28] <macavity> The-Croupier: if you ever say hi to me like that you will wake up one morning and see your testicles float in a glass of water next to your bed, ok?
[04:28] <macavity> Cryp71c: yes, those are reasonably generic instructions
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[04:28] <eross1> that worked, thanks :)  says my password is too weak
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[04:28] <The-Croupier> eross1: probably cos it is
[04:28] <macavity> eross1: then you should pick another
[04:29] <eross1> it's alpha and numeric
[04:29] <macavity> eross1: cracklib is pretty smart
[04:29] <The-Croupier> eross1: stop using your date of birth
[04:29] <macavity> eross1: how long is it?
[04:29] <eross1> 8 bytes
[04:29] <The-Croupier> alphanumeric, and there are some symbols there as well ;)
[04:29] <macavity> actually no.. 8 chars
[04:30] <macavity> but they are all 7 bit chars
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[04:30] <The-Croupier> eross1: use a mix of whatever, capitals,small,symbols,numbers ;) make sure its more then 10chars and im sure it will be ok ;)
[04:31] <macavity> eross1: !!hahiho56" is a decent parsword
[04:31] <eross1> heh and i'll be in here in a few months asking how to reset it again
[04:31] <The-Croupier> P@ssW0rd
[04:32] <macavity> eross1: here is a hint: memorize a really good one... practice typing it really fast, and stick with it
[04:32] <The-Croupier> P@$$W0rd -->just examples
[04:32] <eross1> interesting
[04:32] <The-Croupier> eross1 and dont post it in the channel
[04:32] <Cryp71c> macavity, what does 'make mrproper' do specifically?
[04:33] <The-Croupier> macavity: i remember ppl change the passwords every kind of 30days ;) isnt it?
[04:33] <macavity> eross1: eg efir7vktm4nf is nice and fast to type
[04:33] <macavity> The-Croupier: i dont bother.. mine is a little longer than the above
[04:34] <macavity> The-Croupier: the only ting special about it is that it one right hand stroke, then one left hand stroke, etc etc
[04:34] <The-Croupier> macavity: the above is not really easy to remember (well for my memory anyway)
[04:35] <macavity> The-Croupier: that makes typing in a 16 char password a 1.5 sec experience after some time
[04:35] <The-Croupier> macavity: what keyboard are you using?
[04:35] <macavity> qwerty
[04:35] <macavity> and i am obviously a touch typist
[04:35] <The-Croupier> your examples takes me 10secs to copy
[04:36] <macavity> you hunt and peck?
[04:36] <The-Croupier> i type clear in less then 0.0001secs though ;)
[04:36] <macavity> likewise :P
[04:36] <The-Croupier> sometimes the pc cannot handle such speed so it chooses not to type the / in the beginning ;)
[04:37] <macavity> but if you practiced a 16 char sequence over and over again, even hunt'n'peckers get it pretty fast
[04:37] <chopp> The-Croupier: yes we see you do that in the channel on a regular basis. ;)
[04:37] <chopp> clear
[04:37] <eross1> think i read something about being a level 4 and it takes changing it to a level 5 to log in and have a gui
[04:37] <macavity> my advantage is that you can see me type it a million times and get none the wiser
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[04:37] <macavity> eross1: that was for a none slackware
[04:38] <macavity> eross1: on slackware runlevel 3 is the default, and runlevel 4 is X mode
[04:38] <The-Croupier> slackers are a different bread
[04:38] <macavity> eross1: however, you can just type startx
[04:38] <The-Croupier> eross1: or startx -- -nolisten tcp
[04:38] <macavity> eross1: if you want to know who to change the default runlevel i suggest you look in the slackbook for more detail
[04:39] <The-Croupier> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/new_dns_amplification_attacks/    --> we use bind dont we...???
[04:39] <macavity> The-Croupier: everyone does
[04:39] <Srbo> cd ..
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[04:39] <macavity> The-Croupier: bind is the "de facto" implementation.. it is being maintained by the ISC
[04:40] <The-Croupier> macavity: check that link ;) shows some interesting things about dns and bind ;)
[04:40] <macavity> i dont bother
[04:40] <Cryp71c> macavity, slackbook's directions seem to be only for installing a single kernel (it asks users to move their /boot/vmlinux to a .old backup and some other stuff instead of creating a new directory (which I recall doing on my first attmept), I would rather just put a new boot option in lilo but don't have the instructions for doing so in this reference, do you know where I would find it?
[04:40] <The-Croupier> not sure if its already fixed since we get bind updates alot lately
[04:40] <macavity> Cryp71c: /etc/lilo.conf
[04:41] <macavity> Cryp71c: ... which a SINGLE "man lilo" would have told you in, uhm, 15 secs?
[04:41] <macavity> Cryp71c: here is a really sweet one: man lilo.conf :P
[04:41] <The-Croupier> macavity: lol
[04:41] <macavity> Cryp71c: that even tells you how to boot other OSes and stuff ;-)
[04:41] <Cryp71c> macavity, editing the lilo conf is no problem. I'm referring to creating a folder inside /boot, copying the kernel image, etc.
[04:41] <macavity> folder?
[04:42] <macavity> what
[04:42] <Cryp71c> directory, sorry.
[04:42] <macavity> just cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/my-kernel
[04:42] <macavity> edit /etc/lilo.conf and add a new section
[04:42] <macavity> run lilo
[04:42] <macavity> TADA
[04:42] <macavity> all good to go
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[04:42] <Cryp71c> I didn't realize that's where the image was stored for a kernel by default.
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[04:43] <macavity> there is no default for that
[04:43] <macavity> you can keep kernel images any where you like
[04:43] <chopp> http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding
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[04:46] <slava_dp> kernel compilation is fun
[04:46] <Karlitoo> good moring all
[04:47] <slava_dp> morning :)
[04:47] <Karlitoo> :)
[04:47] <macavity> huh? i think kernel compilation is boring
[04:48] <The-Croupier> looks like its not a wireless config problem.even with eth0(wired) i get sendmsg:operation not permitted
[04:48] <spook> the new boxes that microsoft sells their crap in are the weirdest, awkwardest most counter-intuitive things ever
[04:48] <macavity> The-Croupier: looks like you are about to learn a lot about networking :P
[04:48] <spook> and the place they put the product key is stupid
[04:48] <macavity> spook: so what else is new :P
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[04:49] <macavity> did you manage to open it without breaking it?
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[04:49] <spook> yeah
[04:49] <spook> also got the cd out eventually without breaking it
[04:49] <macavity> you passed the "i am clever enough for UNIX"-test
[04:49] <macavity> just put the stuff back in and return it :P
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[04:50] <spook> i dont know why small business office 2007 costs like 200 less than office standard 2007.   when small business has publisher and the contacts manager for outlook, and standard doesnt
[04:50] <The-Croupier> macavity: i am/
[04:50] <The-Croupier> ?
[04:50] <Karlitoo> lol did you guys heard about bill gate's 7 mosquitos presentation on malaria??
[04:50] <Karlitoo> hahahahahhahaha
[04:51] <spook> Karlitoo: what he did was actuallly quite a good way to raise awareness
[04:51] <macavity> The-Croupier: if you managed to hose your system to the point where you cant ping, then, uhm, yes.. you need to find out what bit you twittled, and flip it back
[04:51] <Karlitoo> yeah but it muts have scare the pants off of those milionares in the first few rows
[04:51] <Karlitoo> lol
[04:51] <Karlitoo> must*
[04:51] <spook> macavity: real estate agent i manage just spent 2k on 4 copies of office
[04:52] <macavity> dont you just love it?
[04:52] <spook> its amazing how much faster it is to install software by copying the cd contents to a shared drive and installing off that, using gigabit.
[04:52] <spook> from the cd office 2007 takes a good half hour.  network drive: 10 minutes
[04:52] <macavity> i thought that was just plain logic :P
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[04:53] <spook> currently updating autopatcher to include office 2007
[04:53] <macavity> btw, doesnt the "small office" version come with 3 licenses per box?
[04:53] <spook> no?
[04:53] <macavity> there is one of them that does
[04:54] <macavity> maybe office for private homes or something like that
[04:54] <macavity> but most people dont even notice :P
[04:54] <xsamurai> how would one keep a record of user activities from an x session ?
[04:54] <spook> student and home edition gives you 3 noncommercial installs
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[04:54] <spook> xsamurai: dont spy on people, just lock down the machine
[04:55] <xsamurai> spook: ass umptions are not good
[04:55] <The-Croupier> macavity: im a little lost tbh, cos there is no firwall in place, it is wired eth0, resolv is ok,route -n looks fine,what else could there be?
[04:55] <macavity> The-Croupier: i dont know
[04:55] <The-Croupier> google: tells me about adding routes and such..but i have already done that
[04:56] <The-Croupier> dns? check somehow?
[04:56] <macavity> The-Croupier: but i wonder why you have a gateway, yet dhcp times out?
[04:56] <macavity> do you use dhcp or not?
[04:56] <spook> xsamurai: yeah well, wrong channel anyway
[04:56] <macavity> and if you do, leave all the other crap alone
[04:56] <The-Croupier> macavity same here
[04:56] <frullet> The-Croupier, replace the ethernet cable, could be faulty...
[04:56] <macavity> frullet: doesnt work with wireless either
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[04:56] <frullet> ah
[04:57] <The-Croupier> frullet: impossible a)i made it myself b) it was the same cable the windows laptop was running on 2secs ago
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[04:57] <spook> The-Croupier: have you tried turning it off an on again?
[04:57] <The-Croupier> ifconfig eth0 down ;) yes
[04:57] <macavity> The-Croupier: you sould not specify gateway, dhcp hostname or dns in any config files
[04:57] <spook> The-Croupier: is it definately plugged in?
[04:58] <xsamurai> spook: thanks but feel free not to reply next time
[04:58] <macavity> The-Croupier: try /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_restart instead
[04:58] Action: The-Croupier is restarting slackware
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[04:58] <macavity> >_<
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[04:58] <macavity> now the firewall rules go up again...
[04:58] <chopp> heh
[04:58] <macavity> and we get the same problem all over
[04:58] <spook> xsamurai: i honestly cant think of any reason to want to do it other than spying on users
[04:58] <The-Croupier> spook: come on man, i would have checked that first thing
[04:59] <macavity> The-Croupier: did you properly *deactivate* the firewall script?
[04:59] <spook> The-Croupier: i'm joking, its what they say in The IT Crowd
[04:59] <TL_CLD> Is it possible to see when a Slackware install was done? I've got a server running, and I'm wondering how old it is.  :o)
[05:00] <spook> TL_CLD: the uptime?
[05:00] <spook> :P
[05:00] <TL_CLD> haha, indeed
[05:00] <The-Croupier> macavity: double checked. iptables -F, cleared it from websited iptables options, then iptables -L didnt show anaything, then rc.firewall stop ;)
[05:00] <frullet> TL_CLD; uptime
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[05:00] <macavity> TL_CLD: ls -l /etc/slackware-version
[05:00] <spook> TL_CLD: maybe check the filecreation time on something like /etc/slackware-version
[05:00] <The-Croupier> macavity: cannot be that though, cos firewall has been there since first installed ;) worked fine before ;)
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[05:01] <spook> like i always ask people when they complain something is broken, WHAT DID YOU DO?
[05:02] <TL_CLD> Thanks guys.  :o)
[05:02] <spook> TL_CLD: np sweetie
[05:02] Action: The-Croupier remembers changing securetty to comment tty3 and below
[05:02] <macavity> TL_CLD: sorry, ls -ltc /etc/slackware-version
[05:02] <macavity> TL_CLD: that is importnat
[05:02] <The-Croupier> nothing to do with that though... :( i wouldnt think
[05:03] <macavity> TL_CLD: otherwise you get the date that Patrick put it in the package :P
[05:03] <TL_CLD> macavity, ls was enough to get me started. :o)
[05:03] <TL_CLD> man ls for the win!
[05:03] <macavity> TL_CLD: exactly :P
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[05:04] <macavity> The-Croupier: i am out of ideas
[05:04] <spook> you need stat for extra thingys  like creation date, iirc
[05:05] <macavity> -ltc does the trick
[05:05] <spook> oh i was thinking C using stat()
[05:05] <macavity> ah
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[05:06] <spook> always make that mistake and get confused when i man stat
[05:06] <spook> then i try lsattr
[05:06] <spook> then finally ls
[05:07] <Cryp71c> macavity, where do I need to be when I run modules_install? inside /usr/srv/linuxkernelversioni'minstalling?
[05:07] <spook> yes
[05:08] <macavity> s/srv/src/
[05:08] <macavity> but yes
[05:08] <frullet> spook, i have come across a deal of certs for a very reasonable price, if i told you the bundle of certs would you be able to tell me if its well worth it or not?
[05:08] <macavity> and you dont "run modules_install" you "make modules_install"
[05:08] <macavity> its a target in the Makefile
[05:08] <spook> frullet: yes very much so
[05:09] <macavity> make looks for a Makefile in the current dir
[05:09] <macavity> so, everytime you see a make command, you should from now on assume that it is in a source dir.. as those have a Makefile
[05:09] <spook> do we have a slackware certification, like RHEL has one?
[05:09] <macavity> Cryp71c: ^^ was for you
[05:10] <macavity> spook: actually we have *two*... common sense and experience ;-)
[05:10] <macavity> spook: again, when all else fails, resort to the KISS princible :P
[05:10] <spook> i mean a nice official sounding thing, maybe a certificate?
[05:10] <macavity> nope
[05:10] <frullet> spook, Ok thanks alot, the bundle provides the following certs: A+ Curriculum, MCDST curricumlum, CCNA curriculum, MCSE 2003 Curriculum, CCNP curriculum, Security + Curriculum, Linux + cirrculum. All these courses are bundles together for $5 grand, regular price for them all seperate is 21 grand. WHat do you think?
[05:11] <macavity> you cant even get commercial support for slackware
[05:11] <macavity> afaik
[05:12] <spook> frullet: um they cost a bit more than that seperate.  but that sounds a good deal if its done proper
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[05:13] <macavity> honnestly, all the people ive talked to how bothered to mention that they were "certified this or that" were clueless to the extreme
[05:13] <frullet> spook, Well its all done through correspondence and can be done at my own pace, im seriously considering it but was just wanting a few views before i made the commitment
[05:13] <macavity> but.. they had jobs
[05:14] <macavity> frullet: you pay it all up front?
[05:14] <spook> my dad has his ccnp ccdp and knows his stuff, but the certs only last 2 years then you have to re do them
[05:14] <frullet> macavity; yes, 4,900 up front
[05:15] <SiegeX> the only good certs that I would say are worth it are certs that require at least X amount of experience in the field and also you have to be nominated by sombody who already holds it
[05:15] <SiegeX> like the CISSP for example
[05:15] <Cryp71c> macavity, alrighty lets see how my second attempt at compiling kernel from source turned out.
[05:15] <macavity> frullet: i bet they make a good deal of money on that... when you look at the order, they put you through all the useless shit first :P
[05:15] <spook> the cisco ones a worth their weight.  the tests are electronic and hone in on areas you get questions wrong
[05:15] <macavity> Cryp71c: is lilo.conf updated, and does lilo give you green light?
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[05:16] <Cryp71c> macavity, editied lilo.conf forgot to run lilo
[05:16] <macavity> better do that...
[05:16] <Cryp71c> lol, gotta load back into my old kernel real fast
[05:16] <Cryp71c> yeah
[05:16] <macavity> :P
[05:16] <macavity> ...
[05:16] <Cryp71c> I definitely was doing things I didn't recall doing the first time around
[05:16] <Cryp71c> so hopefully this'll work better too :)
[05:16] <frullet> macavity; yeh, i would personally do the base cisco courses first and progress from there then pay 5 grand for a bunch of certs only useful for a help desk job
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[05:17] <Cryp71c> BTW, one annoying thing my kernel does...it always pauses for a second on "Polling for DHCP server on interface eth0:" "Broadcasting DHCP_DISCOVER" like its trying to network-boot, is that disable-able?
[05:17] <macavity> frullet: in short, to get it cheep you have to bend over for a while... but isnt that always the case?
[05:18] <macavity> Cryp71c: you have been fiddling with DHCPDEBUG havent you?
[05:18] <frullet> macavity: true that.
[05:18] <frullet> spook: so whats your view on the certs, is it worth while buying the bundle?
[05:18] <macavity> hey...
[05:18] <macavity> dhcpcd doesnt speak.. only dhclient does that
[05:19] <spook> frullet: probally not since the cisco ones at least only last 2 years
[05:19] <macavity> Cryp71c: could you paste the output of cat /etc/*sio* here?
[05:19] <frullet> spook; the cisco courses are the only ones im interested in, the rest i would only do because i would have paid for them
[05:19] <spook> macavity: what does that even do?
[05:20] <macavity> spook: try it out :P
[05:20] <spook> oh wait
[05:20] <macavity> ....
[05:20] <spook> macavity: but why disguise it?
[05:20] <Cryp71c> macavity, no, that's what it's done by default since my 12.2 install
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[05:20] <The-Croupier> macavity: guess what fixed it!
[05:20] <Cryp71c> macavity, does the kernel image typically go under the 'vm-linux' prefix in /boot?
[05:21] Action: The-Croupier restarted the laptop with eth0 connected... everything works fine :(
[05:21] <macavity> Cryp71c: did you upgrade from 12.1 or do a fresh install of 12.2?
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[05:21] <macavity> Cryp71c: i dont use the same pattern as the offcial ones
[05:21] <Cryp71c> macavity, fresh
[05:21] <macavity> Cryp71c: that way i can always tell my stuff from Patricks
[05:21] <macavity> Cryp71c: i call mine /boot/kernel-2.6.28-ajj.img etch
[05:22] <macavity> Cryp71c: i allso never use the -smp suffix
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[05:22] <Cryp71c> macavity, ok one thing I think I've missed, where do I get the config file for this new kernel?
[05:22] <macavity> Cryp71c: just to make sure there can be no confusion
[05:22] <Cryp71c> ohwait
[05:22] <Cryp71c> lemme look through the slackbook doccu
[05:22] <spook> Cryp71c: /proc/config.gz
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[05:22] <Cryp71c> spook, I need catz for that, yeah?
[05:23] <frullet> Cryp71c: zcat /proc/configz.gz .config
[05:23] <Cryp71c> (to copy it over)
[05:23] <Cryp71c> damn! zcat
[05:23] <Cryp71c> I was close
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[05:23] <Cryp71c> thx
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[05:23] Action: The-Croupier is now on slackwhere box :) and well happy
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[05:23] <Cryp71c> :( my bad
[05:23] <macavity> Cryp71c: or cp /path/to/sourcedir/.config /boot/my-config-2.6.28.4-Cryp71c
[05:23] <frullet> The-Croupier, did you manage to fix the problem?
[05:23] <Cryp71c> macavity, what's that -ajj extention on your naming?
[05:24] <macavity> Cryp71c: those are my initials
[05:24] <Cryp71c> gotcha
[05:24] <macavity> HOST: rogue | OS: Slackware Linux 2.6.28-ajj | CPU: Intel Core2 T7400 @ 2.16GHz (2 Cores, 8644.57 Bogomips Total) | CACHE:  4096 KB | MEM:  1888.86/2018.54 MB (93.6%) | UP:  1 days, 8 hours, 20 minutes |
[05:24] <macavity> even uname -r reports that
[05:24] <The-Croupier> frullet: yes
[05:25] <Cryp71c> macavity, do I need to modify the config and system.map sym links?
[05:25] <frullet> The-Croupier, do tell ;)
[05:25] <macavity> Cryp71c: no, dont
[05:26] <Cryp71c> macavity, so how does the system know to load the newest config file when booting this newest kernel?
[05:26] <macavity> personally i dont bother with the system.map crap
[05:26] <macavity> lol
[05:26] <macavity> those are just static information files
[05:26] <macavity> the config files there are "descriptions on how to reproduce"
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[05:26] <macavity> they have no meaning to the execuables themself
[05:27] <macavity> to all intends and purposes, all you need to copy over is the bzImage
[05:27] <Cryp71c> ah.
[05:27] <Cryp71c> but the config and system.map sym links are for ? (something to do with the image used by the vmlinuz sym link)
[05:27] <Cryp71c> ?
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[05:28] <macavity> the rest is just Patrick's way of showing you that he is the kind of guy who cares, so all you questions regardeing the kernel can be easily obtained by looking in /boot
[05:28] <macavity> that way you dont need to email him about it, and every one is happy :P
[05:28] <Cryp71c> hehe
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[05:29] <macavity> you only need the system.map files if you produce a backtrace of a hung kernel
[05:29] <Cryp71c> well the instructions I had seen before (on first kernel installation) had instructed me to modify the system.map sym link and I'd like to get it back to its original state.
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[05:29] <macavity> sure, if you like
[05:30] <Cryp71c> Does it point to the generic, generic-smp, huge, or huge-smp?
[05:30] <macavity> huge-smp
[05:31] <macavity> but really, you should just remove all the symlinks in there
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[05:33] <Cryp71c> really? also is there anyway to have spaces in the label inside lilo? I tried double-quoting it and lilo still gave me a fatal.
[05:33] <macavity> nope
[05:33] <macavity> lilo is braindamaged
[05:33] <macavity> grub is overkill
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[05:33] <macavity> you pick
[05:33] <Cryp71c> awesome
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[05:34] <slava_dp> why would you bother having spaces in lilo labels?
[05:34] <macavity> i call the "fallback" entry failsafe.. and let it point to huge-smp
[05:34] <Cryp71c> Because I'm anti dash/underscore naming conventions in labels. I like readability
[05:35] <Cryp71c> Do you write comments in code substituting ' ' with '_' ?
[05:35] <Cryp71c> :)
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[05:35] <slava_dp> :)
[05:35] <macavity> does it matter if it is WindowsXP or Windows XP?
[05:35] Action: macavity ducks
[05:36] <Cryp71c> add(n)_sums_up_n_integers_and_blah_blah_blah
[05:36] <Cryp71c> macavity, Apparently so since the later wont work.
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[05:36] <Cryp71c> Alrighty that should be everything, reboot time.
[05:36] <macavity> Cryp71c: dude.. you are so behind the times of today... now comments are in 1337 5p3a|<
[05:37] <spook> shooting games are so much better with a sub woofer
[05:37] <Cryp71c> macavity, gah full-leet speak gives me headaches, i can't read it.
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[05:37] <Cryp71c> spook, eviction is so much better with a sub woofer at 4:30am
[05:37] <macavity> Cryp71c: handy info: nmap can do output in leetspeak :P
[05:38] <Cryp71c> lol, my linux box is rebooting! I haz no access to nmap
[05:38] <Cryp71c> ...did they change the video mode numbers significantly in 2.6.28?
[05:38] <macavity> nope
[05:38] <macavity> and if it doesnt work you fscked up
[05:39] <Cryp71c> I keep getting 'undefined video mode number: 305' in my new kernel
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[05:39] <Cryp71c> and the best resolution is 80x25 (or 80x60...but its all funky)
[05:40] <macavity> then you did not CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y
[05:40] <Cryp71c> no I didn't
[05:40] <Cryp71c> lol
[05:40] <Cryp71c> where was that suposed to go?
[05:40] <spook> google has a leet speak language mode
[05:40] <macavity> uhm, in menuconfig?
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[05:40] <Cryp71c> Gahahahahaha still no wlan0 device.
[05:41] <macavity> Cryp71c: zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE
[05:41] <Cryp71c> I fail at kernel compiles
[05:41] <Cryp71c> macavity, no such file or director
[05:41] <macavity> lol
[05:42] <macavity> you didnt compile in /proc/config support either
[05:42] <macavity> ok, boot the slackware kernel
[05:42] <Cryp71c> I get this huge feeling that's bad.
[05:42] <macavity> do zcat /proc/config.gz > /path/to/your/lnxsource/.config
[05:42] <macavity> cd /path/to/your/lnxsource
[05:42] <macavity> make oldconfig
[05:43] <macavity> press and hold enter key
[05:43] <macavity> make menuconfig
[05:43] <macavity> only touch the stuff you *know*
[05:43] <Cryp71c> yeah that won't be much
[05:43] <macavity> make
[05:43] <macavity> make modules_install
[05:43] <macavity> copy the bzImage
[05:43] <macavity> run lilo
[05:43] <macavity> reboot
[05:44] <macavity> boot new kernel
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[05:44] <macavity> then you try out one thing at the time
[05:44] <macavity> untill you get it
[05:44] <Cryp71c> macavity, in that first step you're telling me to zcat from /proc/config.gz but that file doesn't exist?
[05:44] <macavity> and read the help in menuconfig for the settings
[05:44] <Cryp71c> k
[05:44] <macavity> Cryp71c: i said "boot slackware kernel"
[05:45] <Cryp71c> macavity, its loading right now
[05:45] <macavity> Cryp71c: so you get a Patrick kernel
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[05:45] <Cryp71c> ahhh
[05:45] <Cryp71c> ok nvm
[05:45] <Cryp71c> sorry
[05:45] <macavity> eg, a kernel that actually works
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[05:46] <Cryp71c> macavity, if I'm not going to touch anything in menuconfig do I still need to run it? (does it do anything different than make oldconfig except give me a menu to pick stuff)
[05:47] <macavity> no
[05:47] <macavity> but then, whats the point?
[05:47] <macavity> then you might as well run the Pat V kernel
[05:48] <macavity> anyhow.. i need to find some food
[05:48] <vncsnvs> whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:48] <macavity> l8r
[05:48] <Cryp71c> macavity, well for one thing I need the new kernel for new intel-graphics drivers, thx for your help
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[05:48] <macavity> Cryp71c: uhm, no you dont
[05:48] <macavity> Cryp71c: because the new intel-graphics drivers require a new xorg/mesa stack
[05:48] <macavity> Cryp71c: trust me... i know
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[05:49] <macavity> Cryp71c: im am currently working on this
[05:49] <Cryp71c> macavity, ah, I guess I was misinformed by someone else.
[05:49] <The-Croupier> clear
[05:49] <macavity> Cryp71c: probably.. you want GEM, right?
[05:49] <Cryp71c> Well i'll continue fiddling with new kernel since I need to learn it.
[05:50] <Cryp71c> macavity, I'm sorry I don't know for certain, I had mentioned I was looking to upgrade my graphics drivers and someone had said straight off I needed the new kernel, I havn't even looked into what I need for the drivers.
[05:51] <macavity> Cryp71c: ok.. the new kernel is just one of the things that you need
[05:51] <macavity> Cryp71c: X11R7.5 is about to be released
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[05:52] <macavity> Cryp71c: a .28.x + X11R7.5 + Mesa-7.4 (not out yet either) will give you what you need
[05:52] <macavity> Cryp71c: but it is going to take a while before that lands on Slackware
[05:53] <Cryp71c> so other than all that, does slackware-12.2 come with the most recent intel graphics drivers?
[05:53] <macavity> Cryp71c: however, if you manage to get to a .28.x kernel, you will be able to test out this stuff with my build scripts
[05:53] <macavity> Cryp71c: im still on 12.1
[05:53] <Cryp71c> ah
[05:53] <macavity> Cryp71c: ls /var/log/packages/xorg-server*
[05:54] <macavity> and tell me the name?
[05:54] <macavity> then ls /var/log/packages/xf86-video-intel*
[05:54] <macavity> err.. and tell me the *number*
[05:54] <macavity> of both
[05:54] <Cryp71c> 1.4.2 for xorg and 2.4.3 for xf86
[05:55] <macavity> you cant go higher than 2.4.x with xf86-video-intel
[05:56] <macavity> i dont know what the latest version is.. but they are just bug-fix releases, so unless you have outright bugs, there is little point
[05:56] <tewmten> fucking hell.. people just can't stop assigning tickets to me today :/
[05:56] <Cryp71c> Is that as good a video-support as you can get with an intel graphics? or is that were GEM comes in?
[05:56] <tewmten> so I ordered this one, http://site.despair.com/despairwear/burnout/
[05:56] <tewmten> :D
[05:56] <macavity> all the neat shit starts with xorg-server-1.6.0 and intel 2.6.1
[05:57] <Cryp71c> Because 12.2 (and 12.1) is/was stick in some relatively poor resolution (1024x600 or something)
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[05:57] <macavity> what happens if you manually set the modes in xorg.conf?
[05:58] <macavity> also, is that a CRT monitor?
[05:58] <Cryp71c> laptop LCD
[05:58] <macavity> good.. one less issue
[05:58] <macavity> whats the native resolution of the LCD?
[05:58] <macavity> 1280x800?
[05:59] <Cryp71c> the 1280 widescreen setting, I think its 1280x800
[05:59] <macavity> hang on
[05:59] <spook> 1440xsomething is also widescreen
[06:01] <macavity> Cryp71c: try this as xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/d30037b02
[06:01] <Cryp71c> spook, yeah that won't work, I don't get anything past 1280x800 in xp
[06:01] <macavity> Cryp71c: the above should match yours too... i dont know about the mouse
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[06:02] <macavity> DONT fiddle with the out-commented setting in Device
[06:02] <Cryp71c> macavity, I just edied my current xorg.conf and added "1280x800" to the screen section in each depth subsection
[06:02] <macavity> you know what this is?
[06:03] <macavity> this is *funny*
[06:03] <macavity> you were about to upgrade kernels and graphics drivers and shit... instead of just asking how to configure X :P
[06:03] Action: macavity giggles
[06:03] <Cryp71c> lol
[06:03] <Cryp71c> shush!
[06:03] <Cryp71c> It won't hurt me to be more than the common ubuntu-using linux nub.
[06:03] <macavity> scroll doesnt work either?
[06:04] <chopp> Cryp71c: we've all been there, don't feel bad.
[06:04] <Cryp71c> macavity, will these changes be reflected if I startx? or is that .conf only loaded on kernel load?
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[06:05] <macavity> Cryp71c: the kernel and X have *nothing* to do with each other
[06:05] <Cryp71c> macavity, I figured, but I don't know anything so I thought i'd ask.
[06:05] <macavity> Cryp71c: alt-ctrl-backspace restarts X
[06:05] <macavity> that is, the HARD way
[06:05] <Cryp71c> macavity, what about ctrl-alt-backspace? :P
[06:05] <Cryp71c> j/k
[06:05] <Cryp71c> of course
[06:05] <macavity> it "zaps" the server
[06:06] <macavity> in xorg jargon
[06:06] <Cryp71c> yep that worked, I now have my beautiful 1280x800 resolution!
[06:06] <macavity> you can lift the mouse settings too
[06:06] <Cryp71c> now if only i could get dwm to work
[06:06] <macavity> then you can have scroll too :P
[06:07] <macavity> "mouse wheel"
[06:07] <macavity> dwm?
[06:08] <macavity> ah man.. now i am really hungry
[06:08] <macavity> see ya all later
[06:08] <Cryp71c> thx macavity and dwm is a window manager
[06:09] <spook> tiling window manager #591
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[06:19] <spook> macavity: amirite?
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[06:26] <aperturefever> spook: what is that? periodic table related?
[06:29] <spook> aperturefever: huh? just saying that tiling window managers are dime a dozen
[06:29] <tank-man> he said, "am I right?"
[06:29] <tank-man> amirite?
[06:29] <aperturefever> rofl
[06:30] <tank-man> took me a while to figure it out too
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[06:34] <spook> lurk 4chan moar
[06:34] <spook> amirite?
[06:34] <lw0x15_> lol
[06:35] <fred> spook: I'm sorry, I'm not really into pokemon.
[06:35] <spook> currently trying to figure out specifying the right options to mkfs.xfs
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[06:37] <spook> i have a raid array, with stripe width of 64K, trying to figure out how to make xfs make use of it.  saw something in man page but cant make sense of it yet...
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[06:46] <slobad23> i want to use fdisk on my hard drive to install slackware but i have no idea what the name of my drive is
[06:46] <slobad23> how do i list the drives?
[06:46] <rapid> fdisk -l
[06:46] <slobad23> *feels foolish*
[06:46] <slobad23> thanks rapid
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[06:48] <slobad23> cat /proc/partitions *slaps forehead!*
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[06:51] <slava_dp> i used to do "ls /dev/sd [tab] [tab]" in the old days.
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[06:52] <slava_dp> and the old days for me were around slackware 10.2
[06:52] <mr-S-> since we are talking installing slack: how does one enter hda=noprobe for kernel options on first install of slack ?
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[06:54] <slava_dp> mr-S-, lilo tells  you to hit a key so that you get a kernel command line during boot. it's tab i think.
[06:54] <mr-S-> that is after the install. and that is an issue with my machine. I need to enter it on the first boot of install dvd.
[06:55] <mr-S-> something like : hugesmp.s root={disk} rdinit=ro hda=noprobe ?
[06:55] <slava_dp> exactly
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[06:55] <mr-S-> wired shows no effect at all ... :(
[06:56] <mr-S-> but i do have funy hardware ..
[06:56] <slava_dp> what is it supposed to do?
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[06:57] <mr-S-> it should install an use the S-ATA drivers, but slack just wants to use P-ATA. It works but still ...
[06:57] <spook> ..........
[06:57] <slava_dp> ...
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[06:58] <slava_dp> mr-S-, when you boot your slack install cd, does "fdisk -l" show your sata drives?
[06:59] <mr-S-> no it will only see hda not sda, but there is something funny in dmesg
[06:59] <slava_dp> and may we see it?
[07:00] <mr-S-> one moment
[07:00] <mr-S-> st: Version 20080504, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256
[07:00] <mr-S-> Driver 'st' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[07:00] <slava_dp> it's perfectly all right.
[07:00] <mr-S-> it wants to use the sata drives but it cant. research came up with almost nothing on this one
[07:00] <spook> mr-S-: do you own a firearm?
[07:01] <slava_dp> :-D
[07:01] <mr-S-> and this one :
[07:01] <mr-S-> ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
[07:01] <mr-S-> ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x3)
[07:01] <mr-S-> firearm: oh yes but slack just ignores that fact
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[07:03] <slava_dp> noobfarm? lol
[07:03] <aperturefever`> does anybody know of text based app that has calendar/jotter/todo features plus the ability to store phone numbers/addresses ?
[07:04] <aperturefever`> calcurse seems nice but lacks the phonebook feat :/
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[07:09] <slava_dp> mr-S-, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-02/msg12254.html -- read the followups.
[07:09] <mr-S-> i will check
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[07:10] <slava_dp> mr-S-, precisely this one: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-02/msg12283.html
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[07:13] <mr-S-> i will give it a try.. be back later
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[07:17] <slava_dp> spook, so you were about to suggest him to shoot himself? you don't have to be so cruel :)
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[07:20] <macavity> some people do need quite an amount of lead :P
[07:20] <spook> slava_dp: no i was going to suggest he clean the trigger with the gun loaded and safety off
[07:21] <macavity> or tell him to rinse his mouth with buckshot
[07:21] <spook> why not rocksalt?
[07:21] <slava_dp> damn, guys, you frighten me
[07:22] <spook> slava_dp: you must be new here
[07:22] <macavity> because rocksalt doesnt come close to the wonderfull "cat skull | explodepkg" effect that heavy buckshot does :P
[07:22] <slava_dp> like two months
[07:22] <spook> slava_dp: you must REALLY be new here not to get my joke
[07:22] <macavity> slava_dp: it is when we DONT bash up people you should be scared
[07:23] <slava_dp> ok ;)
[07:23] <macavity> slava_dp: thats when we are consulting the manpages of wireshark/packetforge etc ;-)
[07:26] <spook> wireshark?  bah!  real men use tcpdump
[07:27] <macavity> spook: no, tcpdump does not work at the linklayer :P
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[07:27] <spook> layer 2?
[07:27] <macavity> sometimes "someone" might need to operate on raw ethernet frames :P
[07:28] <The-Croupier> macavity: for educational reasons i suppose
[07:28] <macavity> or, in the case that most often applies to me, 802.11 frames
[07:28] Action: The-Croupier likes tcpdump and ethereal (whatever is called now)
[07:29] <macavity> The-Croupier: i guess i am more of a chop-chop man ;-)
[07:29] <spook> real men hand craft radio using a car battery and paper clips
[07:29] <necropresto> spook: macgyver?
[07:29] <macavity> spook: then i stand before you as a boy :P
[07:29] <The-Croupier> spook: thats just man with lots of freetime and fans ofmcgyver
[07:30] <aperturefever> real men drink beer from the nose
[07:30] <aperturefever> -the
[07:30] <The-Croupier> macavity: chop-chop? like chuck norris? :)
[07:30] <spook> all you need to make thermite is a rusty pipe and aluminium
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[07:37] <chopp> The-Croupier: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=chopchoptheory
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[07:44] <The-Croupier> really nice theory that
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[07:45] <The-Croupier> macavity: loving that kung-fu ;)
[07:46] <macavity> have you found out what the chopchop attack is?
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[07:47] <spook> there are lots of lovely insecurities
[07:47] <The-Croupier> macavity: yes it was on the link chop posted at the bottom
[07:48] <spook> check out the man page for kismet, where it lists all the alarm types
[07:48] <The-Croupier> spook: i tried to install kismet the other day
[07:48] <The-Croupier> couldnt hack it..dont understand words it says as errors
[07:48] <spook> buffer overflows using SSID for things like windows broadcom drivers
[07:50] <The-Croupier> FATAL: Dump file error: Unable to open dump file Kismet-Feb-10-2009-1.dump (Permission denied)
[07:51] <The-Croupier> dont understand this ... as i dont have such a file.. and i tried to run it as root at some point... :(
[07:51] <The-Croupier> wlan0 mode==monitor
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[07:53] <necropresto> The-Croupier: kismet needs a common user to run
[07:53] <necropresto> and u must be inside a dir which this user can write
[07:54] <chopp> The-Croupier: #9 http://www.kismetwireless.net/documentation.shtml
[07:54] <macavity> nice.. the mesa devs really listen :-)
[07:54] <The-Croupier> FATAL:  Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, unlink() failed: Permission denied
[07:54] <macavity> that is, to the point where distro packagers get the last word easy :-)
[07:54] <chopp> read man read
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[07:55] <The-Croupier> chopp: gone already
[07:56] <macavity> "this is going to be hell for packagers" -> "ouch.. well... then name it, you've got it" :P
[07:56] <spook> CHOPCHOP ATTACK
[07:56] <spook> macavity: heh :P
[07:56] <spook> man i want icecream but its 10pm
[07:57] <macavity> so now we are getting both old-style-mesa and gallium drivers along side
[07:57] <macavity> and the intel drivers build for gallium
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[07:57] <macavity> .. but is still cant test it since the fscking keyboard driver dont build :-/
[07:58] Action: macavity acts like a little boy who can only see but not tuch a shiny red racing car
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[07:59] <macavity> whattheheckdididonow!?
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[07:59] <kjell> You were a boy!
[07:59] <kjell> Boys - throw rocks at them
[07:59] <macavity> O.o
[08:00] <kjell> macavity: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/BoysAreStupid.jpg
[08:00] <macavity> uuuuhmmmmkaayyy...
[08:00] <macavity> holy FUCK
[08:01] <macavity> Old_Fogie: now r300 builds with Gallium too!!!!111eleven
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[08:01] <spook> yay
[08:01] <macavity> he is going to be pleased for sure
[08:01] <macavity> ok.. if they keep this pace up, i gather the "intel part" of my little project has to go
[08:04] <thrice`> something isn't building for you?
[08:04] <spook> i gather it is the opposite
[08:04] <macavity> thrice`: latest git of xf86-input-keyboard isnt building for *anyone*
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[08:05] <spook> after the permissions in ls -l, whats the number mean?
[08:05] <thrice`> why using a git version ?
[08:05] <macavity> spook: size
[08:05] <thrice`> also, keyboard and mouse are dead - switch to evdev :>
[08:05] <macavity> spook: ls -lh makes it clear
[08:06] <spook> no no
[08:06] <macavity> thrice`: i am building to /opt
[08:06] <spook> drwx------ 2 root root     4096 2009-02-05 18:11 Desktop/
[08:06] <spook> the 2 there
[08:06] <thrice`> macavity: sorry, not sure how that matters?
[08:06] <macavity> spook: good question
[08:07] <spook> files seems to be 1, directories 2
[08:07] <macavity> thrice`: ah, i missread that at first
[08:07] <The-Croupier> what level?
[08:07] <macavity> thrice`: evedev? start talking
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[08:07] <gar0t0> hi all :)
[08:07] <thrice`> evdev is supposed to replace keyboard / mouse drivers in 7.4
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[08:07] <spook> macavity: maybe depth?
[08:08] <The-Croupier> tha t one
[08:08] <The-Croupier> spook: level==depth
[08:08] <spook> oooh someone suggested number of hard links
[08:08] <spook> 2 for directories because of ..
[08:09] <The-Croupier> spook: it cannot be depth as first thought, cos if you go to /etc..there is wide range of numbers .. some even have 3
[08:09] <spook> oooh someone suggested number of hard links
[08:09] <macavity> thrice`: roger that
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[08:10] <macavity> thrice`: thx, that potentially cleared stone off the road for me
[08:10] <thrice`> :)
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[08:12] <macavity> ok.. more switches to the launcher then..
[08:12] <thrice`> :)
[08:12] <macavity> at first i thought this was going to be sooo easy
[08:13] <thrice`> also, are you doing hot-pluggable ?
[08:13] <macavity> nope
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[08:13] <macavity> i am trying to do as little as possible to get to tetst out gallium
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[08:14] <spook> macavity: slacker :P
[08:14] <macavity> all i pretty much want is to have several versions of the whole stack in /opt
[08:15] <macavity> thrice`: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/git
[08:15] <macavity> thrice`: i startet chopping up the script at the bottom, to facilitate package creation and multible builds
[08:15] <macavity> thrice`: .. and single updates of modules, etc
[08:16] <thrice`> on another distro i've got on my laptop, I'm at mesa 7.3, drm 2.4.4 and intel 2.6.1 with linux 2.6.28.3
[08:16] <macavity> xorg version?
[08:16] <spook> orgy version, amirite?
[08:16] <thrice`> 1.5.3; haven't tried any 1.6.x
[08:17] <macavity> ive been there too
[08:17] <macavity> that was horrible
[08:17] <spook> orgy or 1.5.3 ?
[08:17] <thrice`> heh; well, it's not any better, that's for sure
[08:17] <macavity> exactly
[08:17] <thrice`> does one need server 1.6 for anything exciting ?
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[08:17] <macavity> yes
[08:18] <thrice`> ah; I thought it was all to do with mesa more than the server
[08:18] <thrice`> nevermind me, then :)
[08:18] <macavity> ive been down that road more than 10 times..
[08:18] <macavity> thats why i desided to go with all-git
[08:19] <macavity> as for xserver 1.6.0-rc2 you need to update half the stack
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[08:20] <macavity> like 10 proto packages and 8 libs and some more stuff
[08:20] <thrice`> makes sense
[08:20] <macavity> but id rather hope that they just fix the keyboard driver
[08:20] <macavity> that makes it a lot simpler for us to test
[08:21] <macavity> then we dont need another config file for the stuff in /opt
[08:21] <thrice`> well, if you were using hotplug, you wouldn't need a xorg.conf at all :>
[08:22] <macavity> no, but it uses it if it finds it
[08:22] <macavity> so, either the user have to remove it, or i have to move --etc-dir
[08:23] <macavity> .. which means that i have to put xinit and what not into the system too
[08:23] <macavity> .. and id rather not do that
[08:23] <macavity> *too*
[08:23] <thrice`> or continue using ~/.xinitrc
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[08:24] <spook> i'm in a trolling mood
[08:25] <spook> someone name a distro or piece of software that has a channel on this network
[08:25] <macavity> we are doing 43 packages as it is...
[08:25] <spook> and another one to blame it on
[08:26] <macavity> thrice`: huh?
[08:26] <spook> okay, i pick slackware, and slackware
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[08:26] <spook> hey guys, why does slackware suck so much? i mean, slackware is soooo much better than slackware!!
[08:27] <thrice`> macavity: why do you need anything in related to init in /etc?  startx (and thus xinit) should use ~/.xinitrc first, no?
[08:27] <macavity> spook: shut up will ya? i am overly tired, but still trying to pick thrice`s brains for what it is i am mising
[08:27] <macavity> thrice`: i think you have a point!
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[08:27] <thrice`> rare, but possible :>
[08:28] <thrice`> anyway, i've got a meeting.  good luck :)
[08:28] <macavity> thrice`: yes, it just dawned on me.. ill just set the --etc-dir=$PREFIX/etc
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[08:28] <macavity> thx..
[08:28] <macavity> wow
[08:28] Action: macavity has a mini epifany
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[08:29] <macavity> spook: ok, troll away :P
[08:29] <spook> name two pieces of software or distros you dont like
[08:29] <macavity> pine and pico
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[08:29] <spook> lol
[08:29] <macavity> bitchx and mirc?
[08:30] <macavity> windows and mac?
[08:30] <spook> ...
[08:30] <macavity> ahh! got it: backtrack and slax!
[08:30] <spook> lol yes
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[08:31] <macavity> i dont like anything SuSE either
[08:31] <spook> backtrack has no channel?
[08:31] <macavity> i think it's #bt
[08:31] <spook> invite only
[08:31] <macavity> lol
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[08:31] <macavity> that makes sense
[08:32] <macavity> they are fscking tired of script kiddies
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[08:32] <spook> what does backtrack even do?
[08:32] <macavity> ... what did they expect when they designed a live distro intented to gathere up all intrusion tools on the intarwebs
[08:32] <spook> oh i see
[08:32] <macavity> cluefull educated users?
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[08:33] <macavity> they should have made an installer that would make slackware's look like bleeding edge
[08:33] <macavity> "set up your partitions... use the program you like"
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[08:34] <macavity> "format the root partition and mount it in /mnt"
[08:34] <spook> they need an installer that runs dban unless you know the special way to stop it, which is ONLY in the documentation
[08:34] <macavity> "edit /etc/fstab to reflect your wishes, and copy it to /mnt/etc/fstab"
[08:34] <macavity> id love an installer like that :P
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[08:35] <spook> and you have to collect the 5 parts of it from the different bits of documentation
[08:35] <macavity> lol
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[08:37] Action: Zordrak would like to see a kernel that requires manual entry of the fstab before boot :)
[08:38] <Zordrak> unless i was using a dvorak keyblard :)
[08:38] Action: spook would like a kernel that punchs people in the face
[08:38] <macavity> Zordrak: i hate to chump you... but fstab is 100% unrelated to the kernel
[08:38] <Zordrak> macavity: it doesnt matter
[08:39] <Zordrak> macavity: you can still get the kernel to enforce it
[08:39] <limpio> hi everybody, i want to add a user to the group 'wheel', what is the command to do this?
[08:39] <macavity> sure.. you an also get the kernel to implement a 1:1 clone of emacs
[08:39] <macavity> then linux *would* be an operating system
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[08:39] Action: spook would like a kernel that punchs people in the face
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[08:40] <macavity> limpio: gpasswd limpio wheel
[08:40] <macavity> limpio: however, wheel does not work the way you think
[08:40] <macavity> limpio: this is not BSD.. it is just there for compatibility
[08:41] <macavity> limpio: and no, that wont make your mouse wheel work... just trust me...
[08:41] <spook> lol
[08:41] <limpio> macavity, thank you, you mean later on i cannot uso 'sudo' as in 'sudo slapt-get -u'?
[08:41] <spook> no you cant use slapt-get because its horrible
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[08:42] <macavity> limpio: you just came in with the ubuntu train, didnt you?
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[08:42] <limpio> debian
[08:42] <spook> slapt-get is not apt-get, it is horrible
[08:42] <macavity> ok, a) get rid of slapt-get
[08:42] <macavity> b) forget about sudo
[08:42] <limpio> ok
[08:42] <limpio> slackpkg
[08:42] <macavity> and again adding your user to wheel wont do shit
[08:42] <macavity> trust me
[08:42] <limpio> ??
[08:43] <macavity> not a damn thing
[08:43] <macavity> nope
[08:43] <spook> in slackware, you use root.  if you know what you're doing (like me) you know how to fix things after you say "whooops"
[08:43] <limpio> so sudo is out of the question?
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[08:43] <macavity> zip, silch, squat, nada, nothing, not a chance
[08:43] <limpio> ok
[08:43] <macavity> limpio: you can set up sudo if you like
[08:43] <spook> macavity: you're trolling arent you
[08:43] <macavity> limpio: but that is unrelated to the wheel group
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[08:43] <macavity> limpio: totally
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[08:44] <macavity> limpio: most of us here just switch to root, do the job and log back out
[08:44] <spook> limpio: visudo
[08:44] <spook> some of us just use root all the time
[08:45] <macavity> O.o
[08:45] <limpio> ok, gotcha
[08:45] <macavity> limpio: read sudoers(5) if you insist on using sudo
[08:45] <limpio> how about package installation? slackbuilds, slackpkg, ?
[08:46] <limpio> macavity, thanks pal
[08:46] <macavity> slackpkg works with official slackware packages only
[08:46] <macavity> slackbuilds is for cummunity stuff
[08:46] <spook> slapt-get is for breaking your system
[08:46] <macavity> and if someone tells you that they have this fancy "repo", tell them to fuck off
[08:46] <macavity> on slackware it does just not work that way
[08:46] <spook> avoid linuxpackages.net
[08:46] <macavity> ^^^ at *all* cost
[08:47] <macavity> better come here for building advice
[08:47] <limpio> i've been looking for 'numlockx' and when try to compile it it some bug
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[08:47] <macavity> compile or configure error?
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[08:47] <spook> compile from where using what
[08:48] <limpio> something like: no installation line, i'm new at this sorry
[08:48] <rapid> yawn
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[08:48] <macavity> limpio: numlockx is available at slackbuilds.org
[08:49] <macavity> limpio: http://slackbuilds.org/howto
[08:49] <macavity> limpio: read the howto first.. then all the rest becomes clear
[08:49] <limpio> great, thx pal
[08:49] <macavity> limpio: and, you have to be root when building slackbuilds
[08:49] <spook> and installing them
[08:49] <foldingstock> good morning
[08:49] <macavity> i hope the later is only something you have to tell windows users
[08:50] <limpio> well, i'm not as dumb as i sound :)
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[08:50] <spook> i dunno, you sound pretty darn dumb
[08:51] <macavity> this does, however raise the question: if you are not as stupid as you sound... how stupid are you? :P
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[08:51] <spook> hes more stupid than he sounds :P
[08:51] Nick change: Krook -> Gargantua
[08:51] <macavity> limpio: btw, wellcome to slackware.. the community with a sense of sarcasm and irony :P
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[08:52] <spook> and who will torture you
[08:52] <macavity> or feed you to a grue
[08:52] <macavity> spook: wow.. that both rhymed and lined up :P
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[08:53] <spook> we're totally in synced up
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[08:53] <limpio> thank you guys for the tips, i apreciated them, i'll go to slackbuilds.org
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[08:53] <macavity> funny.. i thought we where totally spaced out
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[08:53] <spook> i am
[08:54] <spook> gonna troll ubuntu
[08:54] <thrice`> you should go get a hobby or something :\
[08:54] <spook> i'm copying some mythtv recordings
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[08:56] <macavity> it has just dawned on my why xorg has a proto version of everything
[08:56] <spook> why?
[08:56] <macavity> ... the developers use debian.. all of them..
[08:56] <spook> 22:56 < spook> HOW DO I CONNECT TO IRC IN UBUNTU
[08:56] <spook> always a winner
[08:56] <macavity> its the -devel sundrome
[08:56] <spook> oh
[08:57] <macavity> spook: please.. if there is someone in there with a clue who does a /whois spook
[08:57] <spook> ummm
[08:57] <spook> they dont even need to do that
[08:57] <macavity> then we will be wading up to our noses in pissed gnomes
[08:57] <macavity> and i am so not in the mood for angered nubis
[08:58] <spook> i welcome you to join #ubuntu to watch me work my magic
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[08:58] <macavity> no thanks.. im just worried that some of them will come back here to retaliate
[08:58] <spook> they wont
[08:58] <Old_Fogie> "...I remember this one time, at Ubunut camp..."
[08:58] <macavity> i hope not
[08:58] <macavity> Old_Fogie: od pirate!
[08:59] <Old_Fogie> hahah
[08:59] <macavity> Old_Fogie: r300 works with r300 now!
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[08:59] <macavity> eeek
[08:59] <macavity> Old_Fogie: r300 works with gallium now!
[08:59] <Old_Fogie> oh yea?
[08:59] <macavity> yes baby :-)
[08:59] <Old_Fogie> you have an r300 to verify? or is that a news article or something?
[09:00] <macavity> pappa is on the mailing list where all the action happens
[09:00] <Old_Fogie> :)
[09:00] <macavity> its less than two hours old news.. just for you :-)
[09:01] <Old_Fogie> macavity, were you ever to get your keyboard working by the way?
[09:01] <macavity> they are adding build targets to mesa as we speak
[09:01] <macavity> nope
[09:01] <macavity> but thrice` gave me a workaround using evdev instead
[09:01] <spook> i'm currently trolling about backdoors patched into the ubuntu kernel
[09:01] <Old_Fogie> oh wow nice
[09:01] <macavity> but i am too fried atm to try anything out
[09:01] <Old_Fogie> macavity, ^^
[09:01] <spook> yeah banned
[09:02] <Old_Fogie> macavity, did you sleep yet?
[09:02] <macavity> nope
[09:02] <duryodhan> sed 's/ /\t/' to replace all space with a tab should work right ... for me its only replacing the first space with a tab!
[09:02] <spook> NEW HIGH SCORE
[09:02] <Old_Fogie> macavity, so you've been a man on the machine to get it all working then I see
[09:02] <Old_Fogie> :)
[09:02] <spook> only 8 minutes to bannage that time
[09:02] <macavity> spook: seriously... you should subscribe to some interesting mailing lists :P
[09:02] Action: Old_Fogie thinks he could beat that (but won't)
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[09:06] <tewmten> uuh...
[09:06] <Old_Fogie> So I've been wondering why these builds are taking forever, to find out that I forgot to say ccache -M 5G ...
[09:06] <tewmten> i need to learn tomcat or something
[09:07] <tewmten> it's so much voodoo involved though
[09:07] <tewmten> duryodhan: try 's/ /\t/g'
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[09:13] <duryodhan> tewmten: cool thanks
[09:13] <tewmten> np
[09:14] <duryodhan> actually the people in #bash said better to use tr .. never knew such a command existed :)
[09:16] <agentc0re> So i see this wired story titled, "Petite Weekender Tucks It in Tight" and all I can think about is someone doing the mangina.
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[09:22] <Zordrak> Damnnit.. not high enough screen res for the amount of info i want in conky
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[09:25] <confrey> hi everybody
[09:25] <hitest> morning:)
[09:26] <foldingstock> hey dude
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[09:27] <confrey> I'm using slack12.2 on eeepc, compiled screenlets, but when I launch screenlets-manager I have thsi error : ImportError: No module named gnomekeyring; I've installed gnome-keyring form slackbuilds, but nothing changes
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[09:30] <aperturefever> Zordrak: break it down with root-tail
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[09:33] <spook> god awful number of options in ffmpeg
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[09:33] <ruben23> hi
[09:34] <spook> hi2u
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[09:35] <ruben23> spook:hi spook...morning there or night..?
[09:35] <spook> ruben23: yes
[09:35] <aperturefever> spook is a bot
[09:36] <ruben23> spook:is it daylight in your place or night...
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[09:38] <spook> ruben23: no
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[09:42] <spook> did you guys here? ubuntu got caught patching backdoors into ubuntu's kernel
[09:42] <thrice`> I find that hard to believe
[09:43] <spook> troll troll troll troll is troll troll troll duh uduh my car go in tree duh
[09:43] <straterra> I didn't 'here' anything
[09:43] <thrice`> i thought you were banned?
[09:43] <spook> from #ubuntu yes
[09:44] <thrice`> not hear?
[09:44] <Old_Fogie> thrice`, nope not hear, their :)
[09:44] <spook> thrice`: counter-troll is successful
[09:44] <macavity> spook: honnestly i dont even find that funny..
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[09:45] <spook> its funny when all the noobs start panicing and asking 500 questions
[09:45] <mbhayes> is the sky falling?
[09:45] <thrice`> how is that funny?
[09:45] <mbhayes> did you put ink in the printer?
[09:45] <macavity> not really, no
[09:46] <thrice`> hey spook, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mem, LOLZ OMFG
[09:46] <spook> thrice`: i dont do anything harmful, thats my morals
[09:46] <macavity> thrice`: that is *sudo* cat /dev/...... :P
[09:47] <thrice`> :>
[09:47] <thrice`> oh, well, if you have morals, then nevermind
[09:47] <macavity> spook: freaking people out can be considered harmfull... just think about the noobish sysadmin who just got the boss convinced that ubuntu server was the right choice
[09:48] <spook> i might misinform users, or frustrate the people helping but i dont cause them any harm
[09:48] <macavity> spook: he could get something close to a stroke over that :P
[09:48] <spook> macavity: good, then they move to slackware.
[09:48] <macavity> noooes
[09:48] <macavity> we dont want them to come here untill they are ready
[09:48] <gades> Why easytag don't show mp3 files?
[09:49] <spook> gades: how does a polar bear know what apples is?
[09:49] <macavity> and people are ready when they think "oh, fuck! if this system didnt try to 'help' me all the time, i would be so much better off"
[09:49] <macavity> *thats* when people should move to slackware
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[09:53] <gades> spook: the polar bear does not have that in your database
[09:54] <macavity> gades: have you installed lame?
[09:55] <gades> macavity: no
[09:55] <macavity> gades: and did you have libid3tag installed when you compiled easytag
[09:55] <Old_Fogie> A pretty good read : "KDE 4, distributors, and bleeding-edge software" http://lwn.net/Articles/316827/
[09:55] <spook> funny site: http://jaypinkerton.com/
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[09:55] <macavity> gades: i would try those two first
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[09:56] <Old_Fogie> Of course, our beloved Slackware didn't hop on the "release fast release early" bandwaggon and tick off it's user base (too bad they didn't mention that)
[09:57] <gades> macavity: ok
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[09:59] <Zordrak> aperturefever: cant
[09:59] <Zordrak> aperturefever: never been able to have conky and root-tail live together in harmony with double-buffering
[10:02] <aperturefever> too bad
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[10:03] <Cryp71c> macavity, good morning...one last question (hopefully), what is the -smp signify?
[10:04] <aperturefever> symmetric multi processor ?
[10:06] <ananke> 'processing' not 'processor' :)
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[10:11] <gades> macavity: i'm installed lame but the easytag no show me the mp3 files, only the ogg files
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[10:14] <npad> i downloaded a program called 'meld' and its a gnome app . it wont run because it needs gconf
[10:14] <npad> this looks like something gnomey
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[10:14] <Old_Fogie> gades, ldd /usr/bin/easytag since what's missing, also check out SBo's page for it, they list other depends (think it needs id3tag as well)
[10:15] <npad> meld is python based. it tries to import gconf and fails. so any good referral where I can get gconf for slackware?
[10:15] <aperturefever> slackbuilds.org
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[10:17] <gades> Old_Fogie: ok
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[10:21] <aperturefever> am so happy.. gnokii is working like a charm
[10:21] <npad> where do I check to see which slackware version a pc is using?
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[10:23] <Old_Fogie> npad, /etc/slackware-version file
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[10:24] <npad> thanks
[10:25] <antler> how do i lower my car insurance?
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[10:25] <rk4n3> switch to geico ?
[10:25] <aperturefever> lower its actual value
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[10:26] <antler> rk4n3: hahaha man those commercials :D
[10:27] <rk4n3> antler:  hehe - yeah, you could save enough for a big tricked-out name tag ;)
[10:28] <antler> hehe
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[10:30] <kitche> so the Caylee Anthony Memorial service is open to the public it seems since CNN is showing it .....
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[10:35] <gades> Old_Fogie:
[10:35] <gades> 	
[10:35] <gades> problem solved, thank you for reminding me
[10:35] <Old_Fogie> gades, yw
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[10:40] <bhodgins> Ive been getting acan't find init error lately on all my servers and everything after the redo, and my laptop. only to hitmyself in the head last night for telling lilo the root is my /boot partition.
[10:40] <bhodgins> crazy, after doing those so many times before
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[10:42] <macavity> Old_Fogie: do you have any sleeping pills?
[10:42] <macavity> Old_Fogie: could you mail 'em to me?
[10:42] <bhodgins> blol
[10:43] <Old_Fogie> nope, don't need them, I'm married remember :)
[10:43] <bhodgins> just sleep with a pillow stuffed in your mouth
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[10:43] <macavity> Old_Fogie: my brain feels totally boiled.. but i cant sleep
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[10:43] Action: macavity segfaults: excessive hacking!
[10:44] <bhodgins> LOL
[10:44] <macavity> but now the basic crap works
[10:44] <bhodgins> Don't you hate it when you compile that new software you wanted for the past day or two and as soon as it finished it segfaults?
[10:44] <bhodgins> :)
[10:45] <bhodgins> when you run it that is
[10:45] <macavity> now i just need to scrub it up a little, add commandline options, and rebuild xorg-server and evdev
[10:45] <macavity> i've never seen that
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[10:45] <macavity> either it bombs out during configure or make, or it generally pretend to work
[10:46] <rtcg> What is the quickest way to get the default /etc/passwd file from a slack12.2 full install?
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[10:46] <bhodgins> I've had it happen so many times on some of my older machines
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[10:46] <macavity> rtcg: what?
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[10:46] <macavity> rtcg: there is only one... so that gotta be the default one
[10:47] <rtcg> different versions use different uids for different things..  and not all products are installed on every server so say the mysql user might not be in the passwd file on a server where mysql isn't installed.
[10:47] <macavity> bhodgins: if stuff segfaults for you, but not for everyone else, it is a sign of bad RAM or CPU
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[10:48] <macavity> rtcg: i dont understand your question.. do you just want the "as it was before you moved in" version?
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[10:48] <rtcg> macavity: Yes.  Exactly.
[10:49] <macavity> rtcg: its in the etc-12.2 package
[10:49] <straterra> macavity: or a faulty toolchain
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[10:49] <macavity> straterra: aka shitty distro
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[10:49] <straterra> or bad installation media
[10:49] <rtcg> macavity:  so as to do a pre-move in comparison of file rights via uid
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[10:49] <macavity> rtcg: huh?
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[10:50] <bhodgins> mecavity: I don't doubt it
[10:50] <rtcg> macavity: I had a slack 9.0 and a slack 9.1 server one time.. and the /etc/passwd files were NOT the same.
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[10:50] <macavity> rtcg: im a little tired. please use punctuation/question marks. please state clear questions.
[10:51] <bhodgins> but I've also made buggy c programs that segfaulted due to a typo as well within a function
[10:51] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay
[10:51] <rtcg> macavity: So I'm trying to get the default /etc/passwd file that would be installed with a full version.  I guess I'll just have to go do a 'quick' default install.
[10:51] <macavity> no
[10:52] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, inkdray away armway upcay ofway ilkmay
[10:52] <macavity> just extract the original file from the package
[10:52] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, ?
[10:52] Action: macavity kicks Oldway_Ogiefay :P
[10:52] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay plays with macavity_tired :)
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[10:52] <rtcg> Thanks, macavity .
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[10:52] <macavity> rtcg: slackware packages are just tarballs
[10:52] <macavity> oh, ban that sort of idiot
[10:53] <macavity> if he runs installpk on etc-12.2 he WILL be back...
[10:53] Nick change: Oldway_Ogiefay -> Old_Fogie
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[10:58] <macavity> Old_Fogie: "drink a warm cup of milk"?
[10:58] <Old_Fogie> yup.  you never heard that before?
[10:58] <alienBOB> Old_Fogie: you have a oogway generator somewehre or are you just smart?
[10:58] <macavity> yes.. it just took a little longer than expected to read that
[10:59] <Old_Fogie> alienBOB, man pig :)
[10:59] <alienBOB> I prefer woman pig Old_Fogie thank you
[10:59] <Old_Fogie> hhaha
[10:59] <macavity> pwnd!
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[10:59] <Old_Fogie> I dont know the page number tho, but it's "pig" is in Slackw4rS tho.
[11:00] <macavity> pig(6)
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[11:00] Action: Old_Fogie execs "rain" binary on macavity's console to freak the tired lad out :)
[11:00] <macavity> btw /bin/ping is suid root
[11:01] <macavity> eeek.. rain is evil
[11:01] <Old_Fogie> macavity, hahaha
[11:01] <Old_Fogie> macavity, ah yes it is -rws--x--x  1 root root  26804 2007-05-09 13:59 ping6*
[11:01] <Old_Fogie> 12.1 here
[11:01] <Old_Fogie> and 6 too
[11:02] <macavity> rain -d 120
[11:02] <macavity> muuuch bettar
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[11:02] <Old_Fogie> yea that's more tolerable
[11:02] <Old_Fogie> default is nuts :)
[11:02] <macavity> 9600 baud... what is he talking about
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[11:03] <rworkman> http://m.linuxjournal.com/article/5737  <-- here's a guide to, among other things, removing the suid bit from ping and retaining its functionality :)
[11:03] <macavity> my first was a 36K
[11:03] <macavity> rworkman: nice!
[11:03] <mbhayes> 36.6
[11:03] <mbhayes> :P
[11:04] <macavity> mbhayes: exactly
[11:04] <macavity> rworkman: oh, i knew that approach actually
[11:05] <macavity> rworkman: i discussed that with the GNU inetutils the other day
[11:05] <macavity> rworkman: doesnt work well for slackware package creation...
[11:06] <rworkman> Indeed
[11:06] <macavity> rworkman: i dont think Pat would allow a dependency on extended atributes?
[11:06] <macavity> and chattr
[11:06] <macavity> rworkman: btw, i have the index.html in place
[11:07] <rworkman> macavity: re the packaging, I don't know.  If so, that's down the road a bit
[11:07] <macavity> one would assume so :P
[11:07] <macavity> knowing Patrick
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[11:08] <macavity> but still.. i dont like it
[11:08] <rworkman> re your webspace, http://macavity.rlworkman.net should be hot soon.  About the only other thing I ask is that you put a note there that the content is not endorsed by me; I'm only supplying the hosting :)
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[11:08] <macavity> half you system fucks up if you accedently omit extended atributes on your filesystem driver
[11:08] <macavity> rworkman: consider it done
[11:09] <thrice`> replacing netkit-* with inetutils?
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[11:15] <macavity> eventually i hope :-)
[11:15] <macavity> i like GNU style apps better :P
[11:15] <macavity> some people hate --long-options, but they are often what saves me from having to look at the manpage *again*
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[11:16] <bhodgins> So why do we use ## instead of # again?
[11:16] <bhodgins> I never understood that.
[11:17] <kitche> it's not an official channel ## means about # is more like a support channel
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[11:18] <macavity> rworkman: yup, we are hot :-)
[11:18] <macavity> http://macavity.rlworkman.net/
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[11:21] <stybla> rworkman: great article.
[11:21] <macavity> rworkman: is the disclaimer to your liking?
[11:21] <rworkman> macavity: sure, that's fine :)
[11:22] <Old_Fogie> I'm getting 404 for that site http://macavity.rlworkman.net/lemons-r-us.html
[11:23] <mbhayes> heh
[11:23] <mbhayes> macavity: I could've hooked you up man.
[11:24] <macavity> mbhayes: this feels "closer to home" :P
[11:24] <mbhayes> whatever floats your boat
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[11:25] <macavity> rworkman: anyways, i nobots'ed it, so probably only people from in here will know about it
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[11:26] <thrice`> macavity: I don't even think netkit is maintained anymore, is it?
[11:27] <macavity> i dont know.. if you go scavenge all the distros you could probably find a shit lod of patches for it
[11:27] <macavity> *load
[11:28] <thrice`> don't know; quite a few are dropping inetutils in to replace it (and inetd), from what i've gathered
[11:28] <macavity> thats all good with me
[11:28] <macavity> the more GNU stuff the better :P
[11:29] <thrice`> o'rly?  never coulda guessed :>
[11:29] <macavity> you must be new here :P
[11:29] <kitche> 2001 was the last release of netkit
[11:30] <macavity> yikes
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[11:30] <macavity> no wonder the ipv6 support is something to be desired
[11:31] <macavity> you have seen that GNU has also started mailutils?
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[11:37] <alkos333_2> Any of you guys used kvm?
[11:37] <macavity> alkos333_2: i think nullboy is knowledgable in that area
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[11:39] <alkos333_2> Alright, good thing he's here :)
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[11:43] <macavity> i need to crash
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[11:45] <ruben23> hi guys...
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[11:47] <ruben23> anyone know linux threads..
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[11:50] <Pillowsoft> Hi fellow slackers
[11:50] <stybla> hello.
[11:50] <alisonken1home> not the same as sewing threads :)
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[11:52] <antler> ruben23: yeah, you can get them at any local retail outlet. hurry, though, while they're still in fashion
[11:53] <antler> only downside (for some) is that each article of clothing has a little penguin on it
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[12:01] <ruben23> antler:nice
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[12:01] <BP{k}> linuxthreads .. is that like the rastifarian/jamacian version ;)@
[12:02] <gabriel_> how can i know what process is using a dev?, wich command?
[12:02] <jescis> how do I communicate with a Mac through the serial port? I have the cable.
[12:02] <thrice`> gabriel_: lsof /dev/blah
[12:03] <straterra> gabriel_: man lsof
[12:03] <thrice`> i mean, man lsof
[12:03] <gabriel_> let's see
[12:03] <straterra> jescis: communicate..how?
[12:03] <antler> BP{k}: totally. check out these cool dashikis. http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&q=dashiki&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=JLORSbLKEYzgML_l6e8L&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=5&ct=title
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[12:04] <BP{k}> antler: pulled right ouy of your bookmarks? ;)
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[12:04] <antler> my very own collection consists of many of what you see there ;-)
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[12:06] <jescis> straterra: the mac has a 25-pin serial port, and I can connect it to my 9-pin serial port on my pc. just can I connect(communicate) through stty or something else?
[12:06] <straterra> like..networking or do you want a console?
[12:06] <copland-leopard> Jescis which mac model are you talking about
[12:07] <antler> the apple II e?
[12:07] <straterra> the apple lisa
[12:07] <copland-leopard> Macs have a 9pin din  serial port if you go back to the ppc ad m68k days
[12:08] <copland-leopard> only 25 pin port I have ever seen on a mac is 25 pin external scsi port
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[12:13] <stybla> antler: and you are wearing this?
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[12:14] <alkos333_2> So you need a special processor for KVM to work?
[12:14] <alkos333_2> http://www.linuxinsight.com/finally-user-friendly-virtualization-for-linux.html
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[12:16] <antler> stybla: only to the office. for parties and such i go a little more dramatic.
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[12:18] <stybla> alkos333_2: do you?
[12:18] <stybla> antler: i see.
[12:18] <alkos333_2> stybla: That's the part that's unclear to me..
[12:19] <alkos333_2> They mention Intel's VT and AMD's SVM  ...
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[12:20] <stybla> and isn't it meant to be like: "these CPUs will have better performance, because of hw support of virutalization"
[12:20] <Zordrak> Help my sanity...  why would mysql be denying the root account permission to grant privileces
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[12:21] <Zordrak> loggod in with root via command line on localhost ok.. but then a grant is refused.. perm denied for 'root'@'%' using password YES
[12:22] <alkos333_2> stybla: :/
[12:22] <alkos333_2> stybla: I suppose... I don' tknow
[12:22] <alkos333_2> *don't know
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[12:23] <kitche> Zordrak: most likely wrong password is being used for mysql root
[12:24] <Zordrak> how would it allow loginZ
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[12:24] <Zordrak> plus its doing it on 2 diff slack hosts!
[12:24] <Zordrak> with diff root passes for mysql
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[12:27] <alkos333_2> stybla: This will clarify:
[12:27] <alkos333_2> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9764
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[12:30] <Zordrak> this is insane!
[12:31] <stybla> alkos333_2: i'm not going to read it :)
[12:31] <stybla> :\
[12:33] <alkos333_2> http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors
[12:34] <jescis> copland-leopard: performa 550 with Maco OS 7.6.1
[12:34] <jescis> s/Maco/Mac
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[12:36] <copland-leopard> umm that not a serial port that is a 25 pin scsi port.   Also not much would still run on that machine it is a 33 mhz 68k not even a 040 but an 030
[12:37] <copland-leopard> its max ram is 36 megs
[12:38] <mac-> re
[12:38] <mac-> what is name of slackware package with BerkleyDB, I cant find it on packages.slackware.it
[12:39] <jescis> oh, my bad *blushes*
[12:39] <copland-leopard> Unless  it a preforma 5500 which is not much better  which it still a scsi port and not a serial,  ppc 603e  and a max of 256megs ram
[12:40] <alkos333_2> stybla: Do you have an intel processor?
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[12:41] <jescis> oh, well thanks copland-leopard. Now I need to get my ati drivers installed.
[12:42] <copland-leopard> only hope of communicating with that is if you found a old scsi network card
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[12:42] <copland-leopard> but ext scsi network cards were rare back in the day
[12:43] <stybla> alkos333_2: yup.
[12:43] <copland-leopard> Other option would be a pds slot card which you prbably could still find on ebay
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[12:45] <copland-leopard> jescis: http://tinyurl.com/LCmacnic is what you want  if you wanted to talk to your mac
[12:45] <lw0x15_> hey stybla
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[12:47] <stybla> lw0x15_: holla.
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[12:48] <stybla> it looks like i'm off to kill couple brain cells.
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[12:49] <kj4_> hello all
[12:50] <kj4_> i'm considering trying slackware, would anyone like to give me a short list of why I should or should not?
[12:51] <lw0x15_> just try it
[12:51] <copland-leopard> I would say because it slackware and it still the most stable version of linux I have ever used.
[12:52] <kj4_> ok.  so far I've got 'Nike' logic and stability-  two great reasons... go on
[12:53] <kj4_> copland-leopard, you use it as a Desktop operating system?
[12:53] <copland-leopard> I am with the Nike logic.  it not going to hurt to try it either your going to like it or your not
[12:53] <copland-leopard> Yes
[12:53] <copland-leopard> One of them
[12:53] Action: BP{k} likes the nike hercules and nike ajax logic ....
[12:54] <kj4_> copland-leopard, what other distros do you currently use/work with?
[12:54] <kj4_> and what DE/WM do you run on slackware?
[12:54] <spiral_architect> kj4_: I don't think slackware is right for you.  You seem to want others to justify it.  It's simple to try, download a livecd (google slackware livecd) download, burn and boot.
[12:55] <antler> jesus. i'm just waiting for "and, finally, what's your s.i.n. number?"
[12:55] <spiral_architect> if you don't like it, no loss
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[12:55] <BP{k}> there is no slackware livecd
[12:55] <kj4_> i currently run xfce whenver I can, but i can see myself going 'leaner'
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[12:55] <spiral_architect> goblinx, not still around?
[12:55] <spiral_architect> sorry, let me clarify.  There used to be a livecd called goblinx.  isn't that still around?
[12:56] <copland-leopard> I currently use Slackware, GOS,  OSx 10.5  and dare I say vista it really depends on what I have to do and what my mood is.  On slackware I running  usually either Fluxbox , or KDE 4.2 depending on yet my mood
[12:56] <BP{k}> I don't know.
[12:56] <BP{k}> it's not a slackware live cd.
[12:56] <kj4_> spiral_architect, ok-  i didn't know there was a live CD, i've already d/l'ed and burnt the DVD
[12:56] <BP{k}> kj4_: there isn't.
[12:56] <kj4_> antler whats a s.i.n. number?  I'm not up to anything, just trying to get feedback lol
[12:56] <BP{k}> there may be live CD's that are *BASED* on slackware. They aren't however slackware.
[12:56] <spiral_architect> BP{k}, what the fuck ever
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[12:57] <spiral_architect> you get the award for semantics troll
[12:57] <thrice`> you get the reward for being illiterat
[12:57] <thrice`> illiterate*
[12:57] <lns40> thrice`: lol
[12:57] <spiral_architect> lol
[12:57] <kj4_> lol. this is what i really needed to know
[12:58] <copland-leopard> see now you scared him away
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[12:58] <BP{k}> kj4_: if you really want to know, what slackware is like, install it. It's the only way  to be sure.
[12:58] <antler> kj4_: it's a nine digit number issued by the canadian government that allows a citizen or permanent resident to work
[12:59] <lns40> social security nr ? :D
[12:59] <antler> open a bank account, etc.
[12:59] <kj4_> how often does a major release come out?
[12:59] <jescis> when pat feels like it ;)
[12:59] <copland-leopard> I have a great idea
[13:00] <BP{k}> kj4_: pretty much when Patrick decides it's ready. but roughly every say 6/8-12 months.
[13:00] <lns40> kj4_: its been about 6 months pr release, but really its not something to count on :)
[13:00] <copland-leopard> Download and install virtualbox ( it is free) and install slackware in a virtual machine then you can play with slack and if you dont like it well you just delete the hd file
[13:00] <BP{k}> kj4_: the wikipedia article on slackware has a list of all previous released version with their release dates, this will give you an idea
[13:01] <straterra> spiral_architect: BP isn't being pedantic..there isn't a Slackware livecd
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[13:02] <antler> no, not pedantic, but pedagogical. he's informing your ignant ass.
[13:03] <kj4_> is xfce 4.6 in the repositories?
[13:03] <antler> kj4_: check your dvd. is it in there?
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[13:04] <jkwood> spiral_architect: Yes, GoblinX is still around.
[13:04] <kj4_> i'll do that.  no further questions.
[13:04] <antler> kj4_: that's "no further questions, YOUR HONOUR"
[13:04] Action: jkwood sets fire to antler
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[13:05] <kj4_> you're on her, your honour, get off her
[13:05] Action: antler is lucky he's wearing his fire resistant dashiki today
[13:05] <BP{k}> hehe
[13:05] <BP{k}> woven fromthe finest asbestos!
[13:05] <jkwood> honour?  I 'ardly know 'er!
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[13:10] <bitweiler> good afternoon ;)
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[13:12] <kj4_> thank you all for you input
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[13:21] <Alan_Hicks> Anyone know just what the hell this is?  From tcpdump:
[13:22] <Alan_Hicks> 13:20:37.313173 AT 255.89.245.zip > 0.0.zip:  at-#6 25
[13:22] <bitweiler> looks like a file transfer
[13:23] <Alan_Hicks> It ain't. This message repates four times in rapid succession, then stops only to return 3 to 6 seconds later, and has been doing so for months now on my LAN.
[13:23] <Alan_Hicks> Has to be a Windows packet or something.
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[13:24] <bitweiler> probably so
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[13:28] <feindbild> hi :)
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[13:29] <feindbild> has anybody tried fetching his mail with fetchmail and serving it via imap to the LAN? ^^
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[13:30] <lns40> imap is fail
[13:31] <feindbild> I tried to configure imapd ... but the only doc about configuration I found is that UW IMAPD needs no configuration, which I doubt cause it serves the whole homedir by default :(
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[13:31] <feindbild> lns40: what do you mean by that? ^^
[13:32] <feindbild> and I don't want it to serve the whole homedir :(
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[13:33] <lns40> pop3
[13:33] <feindbild> lns40: lol ... no ... pop is fail ... it would defeat the whole purpose of my plan ...
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[13:34] <feindbild> which is to be able to read my mail on all boxes on my LAN ...
[13:34] <lns40> feindbild: divide and conquer! :D
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[13:35] <feindbild> lns40: your funny ^^
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[13:35] <feindbild> but are the any helpful comments? ^^
[13:35] <hackedhead> feindbild: i debated doing this once, and my solution to the imap headahce was to pay fastmail.fm $20 a year to do it for me.
[13:35] <jkwood> His funny what?
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[13:36] <lns40> feindbild: you can get the email from pop3 without removing it
[13:36] <hackedhead> lns40: you could, but pop is still really obnoxious to deal with that way
[13:37] <feindbild> lns40: yes, I can, but I don't have unlimited size inbox ^^
[13:37] <hackedhead> plus you can't sort it and have the changes propogate
[13:37] <Kaapa> feindbild: I solve that problem with ssh !
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[13:37] <hackedhead> Kaapa ++
[13:37] <hackedhead> Kaapa:  i solve most of my problems with ssh. ssh is my hammer <3
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[13:39] <feindbild> Kaapa: you mean use mutt or something vial ssh? sorry, no option :/
[13:39] <Soul_keeper> telnet used to be all the rage :)
[13:40] <Kaapa> Indeed, I worship mutt
[13:40] <lns40> Soul_keeper: aah yes those were the fun sniffing days
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[13:40] <feindbild> I could try to hit everybody on the head that sends me mime/html mail ... but that would land me in jail ... probably :P
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[13:41] <feindbild> so no cli ...
[13:41] <Kaapa> feindbild: hum... you know mutt handles that, right?
[13:41] <lns40> feindbild: you want to be able to watch your free pr0n mail ? :D
[13:42] <feindbild> Kaapa: you mean mutt uses libcaca to convert images to ASCII art and stuff? ^^
[13:42] <feindbild> Kaapa: just kidding ^^
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[13:43] <Kaapa> no, the images I see with x forward of vnc.
[13:44] <feindbild> Kaapa: of course ... but thats quite an hassle ... which could all be solved if I could just point imapd to an mbox ...
[13:44] Nick change: kj4_ -> kj4
[13:45] <feindbild> maybe I'll give dovecot a try ^^
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[13:53] <aperturefever> death chilly wind blows through my client
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[13:56] <alkos333> nullboy: ping
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[13:58] <nullboy> halo!
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[14:07] <alkos333> Hey, have you ever used kvm?
[14:07] <nullboy> yep
[14:07] <nullboy> i use it a lot
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[14:08] <alkos333> so do I even need to enable the kvm modules in the kernel if the kvm package from SBo comes with its own?
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[14:09] <nullboy> alkos333: keep them enabled in the kernel. when you install the SBo package the new modules from the package will automagically be used
[14:09] <nullboy> if you disable the modules in the kernel kvm will fail to build/work
[14:10] <alkos333> nullboy: I see
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[14:10] <alkos333> that's all I need really, right?
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[14:11] <nullboy> yeah
[14:11] <nullboy> it comes with the modules and the special qemu
[14:11] <alkos333> yep
[14:11] <alkos333> This is soo sweet
[14:12] <alkos333> Thanks to T60 for providing me with vmx :P
[14:12] <nullboy> alkos333: hehe
[14:12] <nullboy> i have a write up on enabling virtual IO in a slackware guest too
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[14:12] <nullboy> one sec
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[14:13] <nullboy> this is a step by step for using virtual block IO http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/kvm_qemu_virtio_blk_slackware12.2.txt
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[14:15] <alkos333> Thank you so much, let's figure out what it is to start with :)
[14:15] <aperturefever> nullboy: great reading
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[14:16] <nullboy> yay
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[14:18] <alkos333> nullboy: Wait, so what is this exactly?  Why would I want a paravirtualization  if kvm implements full virtualization?
[14:18] <alkos333> what's this virtio stuff?
[14:18] <nullboy> this uses virtual block IO
[14:18] <nullboy> it's much faster
[14:19] <nullboy> same for the networking
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[14:20] <nullboy> alkos333: you don't have to worry about virtio until you start wanting better performance
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[14:27] <alkos333> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.28/extra/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported
[14:27] <alkos333> when run "modprobe kvm-intel
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[14:28] <nullboy> sudo
[14:28] <alkos333> am running as root
[14:28] <alkos333> localhost kernel: kvm: disabled by bios
[14:28] <nullboy> ah
[14:28] <alkos333> ah.. there you go :)
[14:28] <nullboy> you gotta enale it in the bios
[14:28] <nullboy> b
[14:28] <alkos333> Thanks for that :)
[14:28] <alkos333> lol
[14:28] <nullboy> i sense a reboot
[14:28] <alkos333> yep :)
[14:28] <nullboy> my spider sense is tingly
[14:28] <alkos333> coming up
[14:28] <alkos333> darn it..
[14:28] <alkos333> I'll be right back
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[14:30] <Phasor01> woah !
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[14:31] <nullboy> jeebus
[14:32] <nullboy> who kicked the switch?
[14:32] <Phasor01> he he
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[14:34] <kitche> ell the Senate bailout did nothing for the economy for the US
[14:35] <nullboy> it's not some instant thing though
[14:35] <eviljames> kitche: Has it even passed yet, or are you one of the folks who wants to blame the last 8 years of American tragedy on Obama's 2 weeks in office?
[14:35] <kitche> eviljames: it was passed
[14:36] <nullboy> do you really think it's possible to say it has done nothing considering it was just passed today? i mean really....
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[14:36] <kitche> nullboy: considering the stock market was down 11 points before it was passed and now it's down 377 points
[14:36] <Phasor01> hi has anyone transfered more than 4G over a lan using 2.6.28 kernel ?
[14:36] <nullboy> kitche: you really don't understand this stuff do you
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[14:37] <kitche> nullboy: yes I do I know it has not went into effect yet
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[14:37] <eviljames> Phasor01: single file or aggregate?
[14:37] <Phasor01> hi a dvd iso image
[14:37] <eviljames> kitche: That is an absolute *nonsense* measurement of the effectiveness.
[14:37] <kitche> eviljames: who said anything about effectiveness
[14:37] <Phasor01> 7.2 G in size
[14:37] <eviljames> erm...
[14:37] <Zordrak> I need a solid answer to this question to determine if *I* am insane, or if my predecessor was insane.. can mdadm be used to monitor/maintain hardware RAID arrays (eg mpt) or are its capabilities purely limited to managing its owm software RAID?
[14:38] <eviljames> < kitche> ell the Senate bailout did nothing for the economy for the US <- you?
[14:38] <kitche> I m just saying that the wall street does not agree with the Stimulus bill that the Senate passed
[14:38] <AzalynX> personally i don't see how this bill will improve things.
[14:38] <kitche> eviljames: yes usually the market will go positive when a bill like that is passed
[14:38] <nullboy> Zordrak: mdadm is for kernel raid control/management.
[14:38] <eviljames> Zordrak: I believe you have to convert md arrays.
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[14:38] <nullboy> Zordrak: there are different tools for things like PERC or mpt or 3ware
[14:38] <eviljames> kitche: Not true at all.
[14:39] <eviljames> kitche: "The market" doesn't react.  What are you referring to?  DJIA?  Nasdaq index?
[14:39] <agentc0reWORK> Zordrak: Hey, you said you use RT right?
[14:39] <kitche> eviljames: Wall street
[14:39] <eviljames> uh.
[14:40] <nullboy> this is just hilarious
[14:40] <Zordrak> reason i ask is that theres a server with a Fusion MPT based HBA with two U320 disks attached two it for RAID, but the raid is configured with mdadm......
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[14:40] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: verily
[14:40] <eviljames> nullboy: I don't really have the time to school anybody on this, do you have that much spare time?
[14:40] <straterra> Zordrak: there could be a good reason for it
[14:40] <straterra> IE, the "hardware" raid sucks
[14:40] <nullboy> eviljames: nope
[14:40] <nullboy> Zordrak: sounds like the card is just in normal controller mode and you are using mdadm for raid
[14:40] <straterra> I've used software RAID a lot of times over the cheap hardware raid alternative
[14:41] <agentc0reWORK> Zordrak: Did you build it so that it all went into /opt/rt3 or did you specifically define where it should go?
[14:41] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: ALWAYS /opt/rt3 for RT.. it's a special exception like NetBackup's /opt/openv
[14:41] <Zordrak> or /usr/openv :/
[14:41] <nullboy> i really like the kernel md raid but if i could afford a 3ware setup with some nice disks i'd certainly go that way
[14:42] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: FYI #rt on irc.perl.org
[14:42] <straterra> I wouldn't use software raid for anything but raid 0 or 1
[14:42] <straterra> certainly not raid 5
[14:42] <Zordrak> The hardware is *supposed* to be a good and expensive hardware raid card
[14:42] <straterra> If its just RAID 1..it really doesn't matter
[14:42] <straterra> There are no parity calculations
[14:43] <kitche> I would not use Linux software raid seems like they made it to complicated then it really needs to be
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[14:43] <Zordrak> fwiw:  LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI
[14:43] <agentc0reWORK> Zordrak: Okay, cuz i've been trying to make a damn slackbuild for it and couldn't get it to go specifically into different directory other than /usr/etc, /usr/share.. etc. etc.
[14:43] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: dont bother with a slackbuild for RT
[14:43] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: seriously
[14:44] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: it doesn't need it and I would never recommend that someone install RT via a distro-specific method
[14:44] <Phasor01> mmmm how come slackbuilds install into /usr  ? what is /usr/local for then ?
[14:44] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: it's VERY important that an RT admin spend time learning what he's doing with the config options in a manual install
[14:45] <Zordrak> Phasor01: For PlayDough operating systems
[14:45] <Phasor01> i created a separate partition for /usr/local and it has not been touched yet
[14:45] <Phasor01> lol
[14:45] <Zordrak> fail
[14:46] <Phasor01> mmmso is it a useless mount point then ( not necessary to create /usr/local/
[14:47] <Zordrak> not for slack
[14:47] <Zordrak> it's like making a mount point for /etc/init.d
[14:47] <eviljames> Phasor01: I use /usr/local for software that *I* install from source, not packaged.
[14:48] <kitche> hmm Mozilla/EC vs Microsoft
[14:48] <eviljames> Phasor01: If I write a slackbuild or phbuild script for it, usually I'll toss that into /usr, as pkgtools will handle the adding/removing of the files themselves.
[14:48] <Phasor01> thanx cause i was just looking through it and after a new install , i then installed about 20 slackbuilds and not one of them went into /usr/local
[14:49] <Zordrak> Phasor01: PREFIX=/usr
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[14:50] <Phasor01> Zordrak: i had not thought of that, assumed the maintainer of the slackbuild would have sent the files ther
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[14:50] <Phasor01> my bad ;-)
[14:51] <Zordrak> Phasor01: go read through a few
[14:51] <Phasor01> does the lfs not count then
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[14:51] <kleanchap> If I am performing a dd copy, how many bytes on the disk are system area which I need to skip?
[14:51] <Zordrak> Phasor01: you mean FHS?
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[14:51] <Sokenra[IST]> well...
[14:51] <Phasor01> ah yup
[14:51] <straterra> kleanchap: define system
[14:52] <Sokenra[IST]> slack 12.2 already has install the pam?
[14:52] <Zordrak> agentc0reWORK: Sorry, did I piss on your parade ground a little?>
[14:52] <Zordrak> Sokenra[IST]: Uber-fail
[14:52] <straterra> Sokenra[IST]: slackware doesn't have 'the pam'
[14:52] <kleanchap> straterra: Partition name, block size etc are in the begining of the partition
[14:52] <straterra> kleanchap: yeah..partition table and mbr
[14:52] <straterra> why dont you back that up too?
[14:53] <Sokenra[IST]> anybody howto about this?
[14:53] <straterra> Google does
[14:53] <Zordrak> Sokenra[IST]: http://tinyurl.com/bynmn4
[14:54] <kleanchap> I am trying to clone a partition to another partition, but don't want to copy the partition name etc.....This is a NTFS partition and can't find a good tool to clone partition in Windows.
[14:54] <kleanchap> So I want to do a dd copy.
[14:54] <straterra> so just dd the partition and not the disk
[14:54] <Zordrak> doy
[14:55] <Sokenra[IST]> I look now, thankz.
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[14:56] <eviljames> Phasor01: Why would slackbuild scripts go to /usr/local ?
[14:56] <Sokenra[IST]> vmware server 2.0 need of pam? or other method of authentication
[14:56] <Sokenra[IST]> ?
[14:56] <Zordrak> Sokenra[IST]: Ask VMware
[14:56] <Phasor01> eviljames: mmm i just assumed they would my bad
[14:57] <eviljames> Phasor01: No worries, I thought you might have had some reason :)
[14:57] <BP{k}> *cough* virtualbox
[14:57] <nullboy> they are simple shell scritps. just read them
[14:57] <eviljames> *cough* virtualbox indeed
[14:57] <nullboy> scripts*
[14:57] <straterra> vmware ftw
[14:57] <Zordrak> BP{k}: *cough* you told him.. you support him installing it *cough*
[14:57] <nullboy> KVM
[14:57] <nullboy> !!!
[14:57] <eviljames> nullboy: does it run windows?
[14:57] <eviljames> ;)
[14:58] <Phasor01> but i expected that if i did a full reinstall and I could leave the /usr/local partition in tact that all the slackbuilds that had been installed there would still be of use to me after the new install
[14:58] <BP{k}> Zordrak: heck no. There is food on the way .. oh and "Oz and James drink to britain".
[14:58] <nullboy> eviljames: of course
[14:58] <Zordrak> Phasor01: you keep the packages or slackbuild scripts instead
[14:58] <xsamurai> vmware blows
[14:58] <straterra> vmware doesn't blow
[14:58] <Zordrak> BP{k}: When? Channel?
[14:58] <xsamurai> i like kvm on my desktop and xen on my servers
[14:58] <nullboy> eviljames: i run windows, linux, solaris, bsd's in KVM
[14:58] <BP{k}> Zordrak: 2 minutes, bbc2, episode 6/8
[14:58] <xsamurai> straterra: yeah it does , it says so on the box
[14:58] <Zordrak> straterra: it didnt used to.. but now it blows like Jenna Haze!
[14:59] <xsamurai> o jenna
[14:59] <straterra> xsamurai: for one..VMWare is a company and not a box..
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[14:59] <Zordrak> BP{k}: BBC iPlayer FTW! :)
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[14:59] <Phasor01> who is jenna
[14:59] <aperturefever> jenna! :D
[14:59] <BP{k}> Zordrak: I am seriously wondering how they sold *that* to the BBC though.
[14:59] <Phasor01> ;-
[14:59] <xsamurai> straterra: alright the whole company blows
[14:59] <Phasor01> 0
[14:59] <straterra> xsamurai: you are labeled fan boy. Have a nice day.
[14:59] <Zordrak> Phasor01: Dont make me bitchslap you with google again
[14:59] <Phasor01> lol
[14:59] <BP{k}> "yes, we like to make a program where we go first to france, then to california, then lark about in the UK, and basically .. well get pissed. It'll be brilliant!!"
[15:00] <eviljames> nullboy: I don't know why, but I thought KVM would only run linux guest.  I will investigate further when I return from lunch.  Thanks for the tip :)
[15:00] <BP{k}> anyway, back later. :)
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[15:00] <Zordrak> 'cos they "own" James May :)
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[15:01] <Zordrak> BP{k}: WTF!! There was a Top Gear Special I knew F all aboot!!
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[15:05] <Zordrak> o
[15:05] <Zordrak> nm it was a frigging repeat
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[15:11] <alkos333> nullboy: so did you add your kvm-intel to /etc/modprobe.conf or something?
[15:11] <nullboy> i just load it when i need it
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[15:12] <alkos333> k
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[15:17] <alkos333> Hmm... what the hell
[15:17] <alkos333> usermod -a -G kvm me
[15:17] <alkos333> This won't work lol
[15:17] <dissociative> it's possible for a Virtual Machine to get working unsopported hardware?
[15:17] <alienBOB> alkos333: use gpasswd
[15:17] <thrice`> gpasswd -a kvm me
[15:17] <dissociative> I have a printer that only works fine under windoze
[15:18] <nullboy> windows
[15:18] <thrice`> sorry, gpasswd -a me kvm
[15:18] <alienBOB> thrice`: indeed
[15:18] <dissociative> the cups drivers are closed and are crap
[15:18] <alkos333> alienBOB: Thanks!
[15:20] <nullboy> alkos333: also if you plan to use host USB devices under the KVM you might need to fix how usbfs is mounted. i created a group for USB access, mount usbfs with that gid and then add users to the usb access group if they need usb devices under the kvm
[15:20] <nullboy> udev will not work with kvm
[15:20] <nullboy> udev manipulates devices in /dev but KVM looks in /proc
[15:21] <alkos333> nullboy: udev won't work in the virtual machine or on the host machine?
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[15:21] <alkos333> I don't understand..
[15:21] <nullboy> no it works fine but udev manipulates devices in /dev
[15:21] <nullboy> kvm looks in /proc
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[15:22] <nullboy> you have to grant access to host usb devices via /proc
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[15:22] <alkos333> nullboy: why would kvm be looking in /proc?
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[15:22] <nullboy> because that's how it is coded
[15:23] <pi31415> my laptop keyboard is becoming flakey
[15:23] <nullboy> all this is moot if you run qemu as root but i don't like doing that
[15:23] <alkos333> I get that - I was referring as to why they chose that
[15:23] <nullboy> they told me that's just how they do it
[15:24] <alkos333> I've create a kvm group and added my user to the kvm group
[15:24] <nullboy> that grants access to the kvm but not host devices. put it this way, you'll know when you need to fix usbfs
[15:24] <alkos333> hmm.. what's a way to for the id to register the new grouip w/o having to logout
[15:24] <alkos333> I forgot the command
[15:24] <nullboy> there isn't as far as i know
[15:24] <alkos333> nullboy: Sounds kind of stupid ..
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[15:25] <alkos333> I remember doing it..
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[15:26] <alkos333> ah got it
[15:26] <alkos333> newgrp kvm
[15:29] <alkos333> nullboy: Thank you so much for all of your suggestions :).  I'm a bit overwhelmed.  I'll take it one step at a time.
[15:30] <nullboy> yeah you'll know when you need to do something special. i slowly came across all these little things
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[15:42] <nullboy> has anyone used luks on a USB drive with kde3.5.10? does kde support asking for the luks passphrase?
[15:43] <alkos333> nullboy: so this virtio is done on the host machine, correct?
[15:44] <nullboy> nope guest
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[15:45] <nullboy> the guest needs the proper virtio drivers and the host needs to start qemu with the correct options to enable virtio abilities
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[15:48] <agentc0reWORK> Zordrak: OH, no pissing on my parade.  I am at work and just busy with multiple things.
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[16:00] Action: dtanner looks at his new shiny 1TB maxtor
[16:01] <nullboy> YAY
[16:01] <dtanner> 99 bucks
[16:01] <dtanner> Fryes
[16:01] <dtanner> nullboy: i se you've been giving lessons on kvm this afternoon =)
[16:02] <nullboy> just a little info
[16:02] <dtanner> i may give it a try soon, i have been using vbox
[16:02] <mbhayes> dtanner: wow...
[16:02] <nullboy> i've used the hell out of it
[16:02] <mbhayes> dtanner: 99bucks?
[16:02] <mbhayes> damn
[16:02] <dtanner> mbhayes: yup
[16:02] <dtanner> 7200 rpm , 32M cache
[16:02] <mbhayes> I'd love to have two of those
[16:02] <mbhayes> hehe
[16:02] <dtanner> yeah  , then raid + lvm them
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[16:04] <nullboy> i've got 2x750GB in mirror for my home storage
[16:04] Action: dtanner always wondered just wtf qemu is/does .. me goes to read what the forkin "q" stands for. just what are we emulating here. =)
[16:04] <dtanner> nullboy: nice
[16:04] Action: dtanner turns up the volume ( SRV and BB-King ) live
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[16:06] <dtanner> I am going to use the new drive for backing up all machines here once i get all the boxes out of storage ( yes it is environment controlled )
[16:06] <nullboy> that's pretty much what i use all that space for too
[16:07] <nullboy> i do disk images
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[16:07] <dtanner> with dd ?
[16:07] <straterra> We're making the remote locations move away from disk to disk backups here
[16:07] <nullboy> when i work on client systems i just image their disk to file with dd or dd rescue
[16:07] <straterra> we're putting in LT04 tapes
[16:07] <nullboy> i wish i could afford tapes
[16:07] <dtanner> straterra: nice
[16:07] <nullboy> i hate disk to disk backup too
[16:07] <eviljames> nullboy: I do the same thing.
[16:07] <eviljames> nullboy: dd if= of= bs=
[16:08] <nullboy> yeah
[16:08] <nullboy> of=/file.bin
[16:08] <eviljames> I think dd is one of the most useful tools in the toolbox.
[16:08] <nullboy> totally
[16:08] <nullboy> with parted, dd, and loop devices you can mount partitions inside of disk images too
[16:08] <nullboy> using mount -o loop,ro,offset=partition_offset
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[16:12] <Necos> ah, angstrom on a zaurus... fun stuff
[16:12] <dtanner> nullboy: expand a little more on that subject and that line you just pasted , what exactly do you need to specify in the "offset=partition_offset" ?
[16:12] <nullboy> the offset is the block that the partition starts on
[16:12] Action: dtanner pufss a cigar and sips coffee
[16:12] <dtanner> nullboy:  gotcha
[16:12] <Necos> offest=partition_offset probably means the nuimber of blocks / space
[16:13] <Necos> meh, stupid ssh lag =p
[16:13] <nullboy> usually the first partition on modern disks starts at 32256
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[16:13] <Necos> nullboy is our resident hard drive know-it-all
[16:13] <dtanner> parted comes into play telling us what block to specify for what partition
[16:13] <Necos> either that, or he fakes it really well
[16:13] <nullboy> so mount -o loop,ro,offset=32256 disk_image.bin /mount/point
[16:14] <Necos> mounting an image as a disk?
[16:14] <Necos> do you even need to do that nowadays?
[16:14] <Necos> i mean, setting the offset
[16:14] <nullboy> dtanner: yes: parted disk_image.bin   then type "unit" and then type "B" and then "p"
[16:14] <dtanner> a specific partition inside of an image
[16:14] <Necos> oh...
[16:15] <nullboy> Necos: to mount an arbitrary partition inside a disk image with multiple partitions
[16:15] <Necos> that's pretty nifty
[16:15] <nullboy> yeah
[16:15] <Necos> i've never had a use for that, so never bothered to learn
[16:15] <dtanner> i am re-learning alot since a year away from computers
[16:15] <nullboy> it's good for forensics analysis and data recovery
[16:15] <Necos> yeah, makes perfect sense
[16:17] <BP{k}> Zordrak: TG special .. about?
[16:17] <rg3> jkwood: online?
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[16:21] <jkwood> Yes, actually.  Just got on.
[16:22] <rg3> jkwood: did you mention a public git hosting site yesterday?
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[16:23] <acidchild> wooo!
[16:23] <acidchild> new job :]
[16:24] <jkwood> rg3: Github.com
[16:24] <rg3> jkwood: thanks again
[16:25] <jkwood> No problem.
[16:25] <mbhayes> acidchild: what?
[16:26] Action: eviljames is a recent githubber.  it is superb
[16:26] <acidchild> mbhayes: i have no idea what to do now.
[16:26] <acidchild> mbhayes: i just went to a meeting to confirm it all
[16:26] <acidchild> its a great gig
[16:26] <acidchild> lots and lots of $
[16:26] <mbhayes> acidchild: heh
[16:26] <acidchild> i saw some of the coolest fucking equipment ever earlyer
[16:26] <mbhayes> acidchild: so if you take it mirror1 is dead eh?
[16:26] <acidchild> nar
[16:27] <acidchild> mbhayes: march 1st i've gotta decide, once i've signed the contract.
[16:27] <acidchild> atleast 1 year project work
[16:29] <mbhayes> acidchild: if the pay is good... I'd do it
[16:29] <mbhayes> you're single.. not tied down.. but you have to make sure you have a fall back after the year is over
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[16:32] <acidchild> well i'm not single, but regardless
[16:32] <mbhayes> single as it not married
[16:32] <acidchild> it means, a car, a new house, etc
[16:32] <mbhayes> aye
[16:32] <mbhayes> and hosting the box in a better network? Hehe
[16:32] <acidchild> sure?
[16:32] <mbhayes> if the pros out-weigh the cons... go for it
[16:32] <acidchild> :P
[16:34] <nullboy> does anyone know what might prevent a laptop from being able to enter ALT+#### codes for special characters? no matter what i try with my function key and numlock i can't get the damn laptop keyboard to send codes like that
[16:36] <Necos> kb layout?
[16:36] <nullboy> qwert, it's a dell laptop
[16:36] <Necos> i use scim-bridge personally tho >.>
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[16:39] <Tokoloshe> hi
[16:39] <dtanner> yo
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[16:41] <Necos> hmmm, it doesn't work from my term either...
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[16:50] <Necos> hmmm, which package has mkfs.vfat lol?
[16:50] <mbhayes> mkdosfs I think is the new one
[16:51] <Necos> hmmm
[16:51] <mbhayes> don't think mkfs.vfat exists anymore..
[16:51] <alienBOB> Yes mkdosfs
[16:51] <Necos> ah, you're right...
[16:51] <rg3> mkdosfs -F 32, to be more specific
[16:51] <Necos> damn, shows how long it's been for me >.>
[16:51] <Necos> making a fat16 partition
[16:51] <mbhayes> rg3: that's what "man mkdosfs" is for ;P
[16:51] Action: Necos is already ready the manpage 
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[16:52] <Hoogin> hello
[16:53] Action: nooper sss...
[16:53] <nooper> where is that lizard guy
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[16:55] <Necos> ugh...
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[16:55] <Necos> stupid cf card
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[16:56] <Necos> whenever i write something to it, then umount it, the card reader acts like it's already disconnected
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[16:56] <Tokoloshe> i want to switch from ubuntu to slack - good idea?
[16:56] <Necos> depends
[16:56] <Necos> what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:56] <Necos> if it's "to say i'm cool", then no ^_~
[16:57] <nullboy> it's a good idea if you are capable of reading documentation
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[16:58] <zGhost> hello
[16:58] <nullboy> if you aren't capable of helping yourself until you exhaust your own resources the don't switch
[16:58] <nullboy> then*
[16:58] <Necos> hence the part about "to say i'm cool", nullboy =p
[16:58] Nick change: TimothyPollard -> tpollard
[16:58] <Tokoloshe> i had some crashes and slow performance from ubuntu. im 15 so i cant afford the best hardware.
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[16:59] <straterra> well..any OS is going to behave badly on malfunctioning hardware
[16:59] <Necos> slow performance could be package bloat, but crashes could be faulty hardware
[16:59] <higuita> Tokoloshe: rum memtest++
[17:00] <nooper> how does memtest load itself into memory while expecting the memory to be bad?
[17:00] <straterra> because it uses a very small ammount
[17:00] <higuita> if the graphic card is a intel, ubuntu have "new" drivers that are more unstable than the old ones
[17:00] <Tokoloshe> problem is, i buy stuff second hand
[17:01] <nooper> ah so its ok to load small things into bad memory
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[17:01] <mooglenorph> indeed, if you are capable or reading docs, it is more cognitively pleasant to be on slack, I think.
[17:01] <straterra> nooper: no..but you have less of a chance of hitting bad memory
[17:01] <higuita> nooper: it loads to the first 64K and run from there... if its bad, it will crash sooner or later...
[17:01] <mooglenorph> nooper: I think that only chunks of memory malfunction at a time.
[17:01] Nick change: tpollard -> timothypollard
[17:01] <nullboy> there is nothing wrong with second hand hardware if you test it
[17:01] <straterra> Also, if the first parts of the memory are bad, I doubt the BIOS would even come up
[17:01] <zGhost> I've recieved some excellent second hand hardware
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[17:01] <nullboy> my laptop is second hand
[17:02] <straterra> i masturbate with my second hand
[17:02] <higuita> mooglenorph: nope, i had a 32 MB EDO ram with just one BIT bad... it never switch from 1, all rest worked fine (badram patch solved that)
[17:02] <Tokoloshe> here in south africa the offerings are not good
[17:02] <nooper> wow
[17:02] <Necos> wow
[17:02] Nick change: timothypollard -> tpollard
[17:03] <Camarade_Tux> straterra, really ? I prefer my first one
[17:03] <higuita> Tokoloshe: most hardware problems are from bad ram or bad power supply
[17:03] <ChiaSmurt> i use a sock
[17:03] <nullboy> i use dual handed approach
[17:03] Action: Camarade_Tux is jealous of nullboy ='( 
[17:03] <higuita> bad ram, you can try to slow it down and see if its still unstable/give errors
[17:03] <Tokoloshe> higuita: thanks
[17:03] <higuita> supply... only a good one
[17:04] <higuita> or course, other hardware may be bad, but most of then are those two
[17:05] <Necos> this is really odd...
[17:05] <higuita> old hardware might have broken capacitors, and that leaves also to stability problems... check the capacitors near the cpu also
[17:05] <Tokoloshe> how is apple hardware?
[17:05] <nullboy> it's fine
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[17:05] <Necos> mount the device, copy files, umount, mount again, umount, put in zaurus, then there's no files... >.>
[17:06] Nick change: tpollard -> TimothyPollard
[17:06] <higuita> its usually fine (higher quality than normal PC) but old ones or unluck ones might have more problems.... but again, less frequent than in IBM PC clones
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[17:07] <Tokoloshe> My uncle is a mac fan, hes got loads of stuff i could get
[17:08] Nick change: TimothyPollard -> tpollard
[17:08] <Zosma> Well one BigMac for me then please.
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[17:09] <Tokoloshe> chicken or beef
[17:09] <Srbo> Anybody uses DRI2 here? I can't get it working :S
[17:10] <eviljames> Srbo: afaik it is not finished yet.
[17:10] <Camarade_Tux> yep, not finished
[17:10] <Srbo> hmm not possible to get it working? i thought i read that some people are using it already
[17:11] <eviljames> Srbo: Well, you'd need Mesa beta, and intel hardware, plus all the sources from git (iirc)
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[17:11] <Srbo> yes... i installed x.org 1.51, have the intel 2.6.0 and mesa 7.3
[17:11] <eviljames> Nobody else has added dri2 support anywhere have they?  Just Intel still?
[17:12] <Srbo> i think that's what I need or?
[17:13] <eviljames> Srbo: I don't think so.  xf86-video-intel 2.6.1 is already out
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[17:14] <Necos> crap... my card might be bad :(
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[17:14] <Necos> either that or the reader
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[17:15] <aperturefever> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xui7x_KF7bY&feature=related
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[17:18] <Srbo> eviljames, are you using intel? My 3d is hardly working... extremetuxracer with 10 fps :S :P
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[17:19] <eviljames> Srbo: I have intel on every system at home, but I'm at work atm
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[17:19] <Srbo> ah ok... thanks anyway...
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[17:22] <ChiaSmurt> i installed 12.2 on my laptop and desktop, both of which use a ma401 orinoco 802.11b pcmcia card, however the desktop doesnt seem to recognize the card?
[17:22] <ChiaSmurt> which it did on 12.1 btw, dmesg just shows pcmcia card inserted...
[17:23] <nullboy> lspcmcia
[17:23] <nullboy> and then try lspci
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[17:23] <ChiaSmurt> the desktop has a pci to pcmcia card
[17:23] <nullboy> ...
[17:23] <nullboy> ok
[17:24] <ChiaSmurt> hold on a sec i have to walk into other room
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[17:25] <Rat409>  /cl
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[17:25] <Rat409> damn fingers.not my day. bleh
[17:25] <ChiaSmurt> nevermind tho, sisters hogging it atm, it still works with 12.1
[17:26] <nullboy> why don't you just ssh into? does it have not networking at all?
[17:26] <nullboy> not/no
[17:26] <ChiaSmurt> it does, i've never sshed into anything in my life, other than a theater
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[17:26] <nullboy> i give up
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[17:27] <ChiaSmurt> but it doesnt have networking when i run 12.2
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[17:44] <rg3> hi again, guys
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[17:44] <Necos> hi
[17:44] <rg3> i've finally uploaded halrv to github, so anyone interested, please check http://github.com/rg3/halrv/tree
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[17:46] <Necos> damn it.. my cf card was bad ;-;
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[17:48] <the-zandi> Necos: what were you using it for?
[17:49] <Necos> for my zaurus
[17:49] <the-zandi> ...camera?
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[17:50] <Necos> still have my sl-5600 zaurus and was gonna update it to angstrom
[17:51] <the-zandi> hm.... I'm not much of a camera guy
[17:51] <Necos> had to use my 128MB SD-card instead of my 64MB CF card which i have absolutely no other use for than for my zaurus
[17:51] <Necos> lol
[17:51] <Necos> zaurus is a pda
[17:51] <the-zandi> oh
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[17:51] <Necos> http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/ZaurusPoodle
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[17:52] <the-zandi> I listened to a podcast not long ago about runninx linux from compact flash, so I was curious
[17:53] <the-zandi> mostly to do with setting things up to write to it as little as possible, since that shortens it's life.
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[17:54] Action: _chess_ runs his openbsd gateway/firewall on a Soekris and CF
[17:54] <the-zandi> oh yeah?
[17:54] <the-zandi> how do you have it set up?
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[17:55] <nullboy> sounds like it's setup like a router
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[17:56] <_chess_> there are many howtos.  I think the writecycle problem is a bit overrated.  Main thing is I have / mounted ro and direct all my logs to a central logserver
[17:56] <Necos> ah, angstrom is installed :)
[17:56] <_chess_> I used to all sort of stuff to mount everything in a ram filesystem but after reading that the openbsd devs stopped doing it that way I did too :-)
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[17:58] <the-zandi> oh, so the whole system's on the CF?
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[17:59] <_chess_> yes.  I have upgraded it from openbsd 3.8 iirc to now it's at 4.4.  it's all on a 2gb CF card in my soekris 4801.
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[18:00] <the-zandi> speaking of 2GB, my debian server at home is on a 2GB drive
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[18:00] <the-zandi> much older and much slower than your CF disk
[18:00] <the-zandi> I should probably check and see how much space is left on it exactly
[18:00] <Necos> lol
[18:00] <Necos> that's awesome
[18:00] <_chess_> I think my entire openbsd install is maybe 700mb, if that, so 2gb ir more than enough.  something like that.
[18:00] <the-zandi> around here I run hardware until it dies
[18:01] <the-zandi> like nasa
[18:01] <Necos> lol
[18:02] <_chess_> yes, one of my servers is running on an 13 year old pentium II or III I forget.  a very old dell.
[18:02] <the-zandi> how old are P1's, generally?
[18:02] <Necos> ~14
[18:03] <the-zandi> my older debian server was running on a P1
[18:03] <the-zandi> had a quantum bigfoot drive in it. 8GB, 5.5"
[18:03] <the-zandi> brother nabbed it from school. they were throwing it away since windows would complain about a mouse dll instead of booting
[18:03] <the-zandi> since=because
[18:03] <Necos> lol
[18:04] <the-zandi> if it was still on, i'd less /proc/cpuinfo to get the etails
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[18:04] <nooper> i really want to buy a newer computer, but i dont have the heart to throw away my old ones, and i really dont want a huge collection of PCs. so here i am stuck with a PII
[18:04] <the-zandi> but I want to say from memory it's a P1 @ 400Mhz (I'm probably wrong)
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[18:05] <nooper> i think P1s only went upto 233
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[18:05] <Pig_Pen> whenever i build a new PC i give the old one away to less fortunate family members
[18:05] <Necos> pentium 1s were rare at 233, most were 200
[18:05] <the-zandi> whatever the case, that old PC worked fine, but I'm pretty sure my ipod has mroe horsepower than it
[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> nooper, I too think 233 was the upper limit
[18:06] <the-zandi> my current server's a bit more current. lemmee see...
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[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> at my father's office, there's something which must be a 386 still working most of the day :)
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[18:06] <Pig_Pen> i have got to keep a close eye on the local dopplar radar (weather)
[18:06] <the-zandi> pig_pen: where are ya?
[18:06] <Pig_Pen> oklahoma
[18:07] <Necos> hmmmm, damn it...
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[18:07] <the-zandi> ah. I heard there was severe weather out in that area
[18:07] <nooper> Camarade_Tux: i always wonder how those keep working. doesn't the hd crash? and they dont really have new HDs that can be recoglized by those old bioses, 2 gig limit, i think
[18:07] <Necos> i forgot what chip the zaurus uses
[18:07] <Pig_Pen> OKC got hit by two tornados, one was about a mile away from my sister's house
[18:07] <Necos> brb
[18:07] <the-zandi> I used to live in TN
[18:08] <the-zandi> not exactly tornado alley, but we got some pretty badass thunderstorms
[18:08] <nooper> i had to boot my old 386 with a floppy and then slack could see the 8gigger
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[18:08] <Pig_Pen> i been through tennessee many times on I-40 from one end to the other
[18:08] <the-zandi> I was near nashville. I'm in michigan now though.
[18:08] <Camarade_Tux> nooper, the HD is 500MB ;) and one reason it probably still works is it's fanless
[18:08] <nooper> heh nice
[18:08] <Camarade_Tux> and computers used to be tougher :p (nice old ibm)
[18:09] <the-zandi> camarade_tux: does it have a tape drive?
[18:09] <Camarade_Tux> the-zandi, yeah
[18:09] <the-zandi> XD
[18:09] <the-zandi> I've never seen one
[18:09] <Camarade_Tux> there's one with floppy drive too, it is still working but not used anymore
[18:09] <the-zandi> my experience with tapes was limited to cassettes & VCRs
[18:09] <Camarade_Tux> the-zandi, oh, sorry, bad english, no, it doesn't have a *tape* drive
[18:09] <the-zandi> aw
[18:10] <Camarade_Tux> not enough data to justify a full tape drive
[18:10] <nooper> lol
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[18:11] <the-zandi> man, I'm starting to feel kind of old
[18:11] <Camarade_Tux> the funny part is my father still uses floppy for backups, because he doesn't want to put everything in the same place so he doesn't lose everything at once
[18:11] <the-zandi> ha
[18:11] <Pig_Pen> DVDRs are dirt cheap
[18:11] <Camarade_Tux> he has a lot of good practices, really a *lot*, but in front of a newer computer, he forgets absolutely everything
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[18:12] <the-zandi> i'm starting to feel old. I know about floppy drives, cassettes, and windows 95
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[18:12] <Camarade_Tux> btw, when I said "floppies" earlier, I meant the bigger 5" ones
[18:12] <the-zandi> most kids these days haven't ever seen a win95 pc
[18:12] <the-zandi> oh, the really old ones
[18:12] <the-zandi> I've only dealt with the smaller ones
[18:12] <Pig_Pen> dont forget vinyl records and 8 track tape
[18:12] <the-zandi> not quite that old
[18:12] <Camarade_Tux> the-zandi, I prefer win3x's paintbrush to win9x's paint ! :D
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[18:12] <the-zandi> I remember going to work with my dad and playing with paintbrush
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[18:13] <Camarade_Tux> that's how I learned computing ;)
[18:13] <the-zandi> I remember because you had to type "paintbrush" to get it to run, instead of "mspaint", nowadays
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[18:14] <Camarade_Tux> about my father : he knows DOS and has several bibles but he can't stand me launching a windows command prompt
[18:14] <the-zandi> ha
[18:14] <the-zandi> man, I remember playing oregon trail in the computer lab in elementary school
[18:14] <Camarade_Tux> the-zandi, I remember just because I was disappointed when the win95 computer was bought (P1 pro @200MHz)
[18:14] <the-zandi> now I have to use DOSbox to play it
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[18:15] <the-zandi> i'm only 19 and I can remember all this relatively old tech
[18:15] <Camarade_Tux> welcome to ##nostalgia ;p
[18:15] <the-zandi> crazy how fast stuff's improving
[18:15] <Camarade_Tux> I'm 20, but that's not *very* old ;)
[18:15] <the-zandi> the smallest laptop drive I could buy at bestbuy was 80GB
[18:16] <the-zandi> I remember when that was more space than you'd ever need
[18:16] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, porn really takes much more space than it used to =/
[18:16] <the-zandi> heh
[18:16] <Pig_Pen> my first PC had a 400Mhz celeron, 6 gig drive & 32 megs ram and win98
[18:17] <the-zandi> I'm still using the first PC I bought
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[18:17] <Pig_Pen> i am on my third PC
[18:17] <the-zandi> it's still a half-decent emachines pc
[18:18] <Camarade_Tux> the P1 pro had a matrox graphic card and they were making good cards then :D
[18:18] <_chess_> jeez, I feel old.  My first computer was an Apple ][ in late 1970's.
[18:18] <Camarade_Tux> 10th computer I think
[18:18] <the-zandi> 2Ghz AMD processor, 2GBsram, and a radeon X800
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[18:19] <the-zandi> ok. time for me to focus on my calc homework
[18:19] <Pig_Pen> i was a late comer to the world of PCs and internets
[18:19] <the-zandi> same here I suppose, but I guess it's all relative
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[18:19] <bhodgins> Hey
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[18:19] <the-zandi> hi
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[18:20] <_chess_> time to get my cane and hobble home from work
[18:20] <the-zandi> heh
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[18:24] <stybla> *burp*
[18:24] <stybla> i'm sure i've *burp* said *burp* one *bbbuuuuurrrrpppp*
[18:25] <Necos> argh...
[18:25] <bhodgins> lol
[18:25] Action: Camarade_Tux hands stybla a chewing-gum
[18:25] <Necos> i hate when people try to break in to laptop carts
[18:25] <bhodgins> ?
[18:25] <the-zandi> sounds like story time
[18:25] <nooper> wat
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[18:26] <Necos> heh, i just spent the last 15 minutes trying to repair a door on a laptop cart enough so that i could close and lock it
[18:26] <Necos> it's pretty obvious that someone tried to pry the doors open
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[18:27] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: :)
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[18:28] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: is it going to reduce alcohol in my blood?
[18:28] <bhodgins> lol
[18:29] <Camarade_Tux> stybla, not really but people will think you've drunk less than you actually did
[18:29] <Camarade_Tux> and I was sure it was a beer burp
[18:29] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: okay :)
[18:29] <stybla> Camarade_Tux: pssstt! not so laud!
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[18:30] <stybla> there was some whisky involved and this is all i know!
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[18:34] <Necos> we already know it was you stybla
[18:34] Action: eviljames loves whiskey
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[18:36] <NyteOwl> Greetings Programs!
[18:37] <stybla> Necos: that is a lie!
[18:37] <stybla> eviljames: me too.
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[18:40] <nachox> evening
[18:40] <NyteOwl> Anyone used an LG WIne?
[18:40] <NyteOwl> hi nachiox
[18:40] <stybla> nachos
[18:40] <stybla> ok
[18:40] <stybla> *nachox* !
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[18:42] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm, need to sleep
[18:43] <eviljames> stybla: whisky & hockey?  It's a great combo!
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[18:47] <Necos> hehehe
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[18:53] <stybla> eviljames: hm :)
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[18:55] <NyteOwl> Anyone used a Sanyo Pro-700?
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[18:56] <stybla> anyway, g'night :)
[18:57] <bhodgins> heh
[18:57] <SM177Y> hi im making a very large image and i need it directly stored onto a network folder that i have set up through an ssh tunnel. my question then is how do i specify a network place as a directory to save to. the syntax for copying a file to a network share would be sufficient i suppose.
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[18:58] <ananke> SM177Y : uhmm, what kind of a 'network share'? what protocol?
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[18:59] <SM177Y> i actually just set up a folder through ssh using konqueror but if i need to use an nfs share i can do that i guess
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[18:59] <ananke> SM177Y : you're not making much sense
[19:00] <NyteOwl> Ok, ANy Blackberry earl 8130 users? :)
[19:00] <adrenaline_> I don't know about you but dropline gnome kicks arse
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[19:00] <SM177Y> ananke: how does that not make sense. you can add network folders using konqueror and one of the protocol choices is ssh. so i used it and it works. how can i copy files to it via terminal
[19:01] <SM177Y> or should i just use nfs for simplicity sake??
[19:01] <ananke> SM177Y : it didn't make sense, because you didn't explain what you did, despite being asked for details
[19:01] <NyteOwl> scp
[19:01] <SM177Y> ananke: i explained in detail exactly what i needed.
[19:01] <SM177Y> lol
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[19:01] <ananke> SM177Y : konqueror's support for fish doesn't translate into shell. you can use scp/sftp
[19:01] <SM177Y> alright that is fine
[19:02] <ananke> SM177Y : if you did, you wouldn't be asked for details, duh
[19:02] <SM177Y> but how can i copy files to an sftp without logging in and using put
[19:02] <SM177Y> actually i told exactly what i was trying to accomplish, you just either didn't read it or didn't understand it lol
[19:03] <ananke> suit yourself. have fun
[19:03] <SM177Y> when u asked for the protocol i told you. how is that not detailed enough haha
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[19:03] <SM177Y> whatever. lameass
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[19:03] <ananke> dipshit
[19:03] <nachox> SM177Y, i dont think you can do that from the cli
[19:03] <thrice`> whore, slut!
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[19:03] <nachox> please guys, no insulting here
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[19:04] <jkwood> ananke: lftp fish://user@server works fine, although you do need a password.
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[19:04] <jkwood> scp works great if you have an ssh key set up.
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[19:04] <ananke> jkwood : i'm not sure how that negates what i said
[19:05] <radiomark> Hi everyone, I'm installing on my latop. Is it possible to use tagfiles as the defaults for the menus, rather than have it prompt me each time?
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[19:06] <thrice`> radiomark: it should only prompt you if you select that mode
[19:06] <radiomark> thrice`: so I have some tagfiles already, where I want to install everything that's REC and skip everythign that's OPT. If I use tagfiles, I get prompted for every package, which is very slow
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[19:07] <radiomark> I'm sure there must be a better way
[19:07] <the-zandi> hey, I've always wondred what this was
[19:07] <spook> ummm
[19:07] <the-zandi> when I log in on my laptop running 12.2, I get a random quote
[19:07] <spook> you guys CAN hear me right?
[19:08] <lw0x15> lol
[19:08] <thrice`> i thought choosing "expert" used tag defaults, but didn't prompt you per package
[19:08] <radiomark> Okay, I think that's what it does
[19:08] <the-zandi> I can hear you spook. why?
[19:08] <eviljames> the-zandi: it's part of package series y/ - bsd-games package I think
[19:08] <radiomark> Trouble is, my tagfiles are in a custom path. WHen I choose 'custom' I enter into full-prompting mode
[19:08] <the-zandi> ha
[19:09] <the-zandi> well whatever it is, I like it
[19:09] <the-zandi> before this, I actually set up a script on my debian server to get random futurama quotes
[19:09] <eviljames> Good man.
[19:09] <the-zandi> called it at the end of my .bashrc so each time I logged on I'd get a random futurama quote :D
[19:09] <thrice`> radiomark: bummer :(  you could also omit those packages from your iso and choose "full" :>
[19:09] <eviljames> or woman, as the case may be.  I suppose I have to come into the 20th century and get all gender-neutral...
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[19:09] <the-zandi> <-man
[19:10] <radiomark> thrice`: I think a better, but hacky, option is to grep all the tagfiles, taking out the OPT and REC, replacing them with SKP and ADD. Then just set it going. So it won't prompt at all
[19:10] <eviljames> <- astro-man
[19:10] <radiomark> thrice`: But that just doesn't seem right
[19:11] <jkwood> spook: No, we can't hear you.
[19:11] <spook> ha
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[19:11] <eviljames> spook: I can hear, I just don't listen.
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[19:16] <radiomark> thrice`: Okay, it's installing. I did the search and replace thing. Will see if this works...
[19:16] <NyteOwl> shyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyteshyte
[19:16] Action: NyteOwl just spilt coffee in his trackball
[19:17] <gar0t0> hi strange ppl :)
[19:17] <gar0t0> :D
[19:18] <thrice`> radiomark: hopefully; can't think of another way, though i'm not a huge customized-installer person.  I just omit stuff I don't use :)
[19:18] <radiomark> thrice`: For me it's the opposite -- stripping out all the stuff I don't use
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[19:19] <thrice`> well, I keep a mirror on /home/ftp of my stuff, and point the installer there, and choose "full"
[19:20] <radiomark> Thankfully I don't spend my life installing boxes, but on this occasion I have to install a few, so always nice to do it in the best way
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[19:29] <lw0x15> BP{k}: you here mate ?
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[19:30] <Necos> argh...
[19:30] <Necos> windows malware infections suck
[19:30] <adrenaline_> format c:\
[19:30] <eviljames> Necos: That's why you run *slackware*
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[19:32] <NyteOwl> be cool if the blackberries ran SLackware :)
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[19:33] <Pig_Pen> using windows is just asking to be owned
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[19:34] <adrenaline_> ya
[19:34] <adrenaline_> Hello spyware sure you can come into my registry
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[19:35] <NyteOwl> What all do folks recommedn for a simple cellphone?
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[19:35] <Pig_Pen> my brother uses XP, i tell him that if he can install software without the admin password then viruses & malware can too, he just stares at me with that deer in the headlights look in his eyes
[19:35] <NyteOwl> lol
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[19:36] <syamajala> hi
[19:36] <Pig_Pen> i just use a cheap TracFone, cellphones are too easily lost or stolen or broken to invest much money in
[19:36] <syamajala> i seem to have trouble starting kde4
[19:36] <NyteOwl> I'm glad that was black coffee I spilt not cream&sugar
[19:37] <jonsmith1982> NyteOwl, i'd get a nokia 6300i
[19:37] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: that's what cojncerns me. I have never lost one, had one stolen but I have never broken one but all the new ones are so farking fragile
[19:37] <eviljames> jonsmith1982: Seconded on Nokia
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[19:37] <eviljames> I had a Nokia 6265i for ages
[19:37] <eviljames> It went through the washer/dryer on more than one occasion
[19:37] <eviljames> Still works
[19:37] <syamajala> startkde loads the splash screen
[19:38] <NyteOwl> I like my Motorola but they've discontinued analog service so now I have to "upgrade"
[19:38] <syamajala> but then it stops after the first icon appears
[19:38] <Pig_Pen> i think motorola makes some durable cellphones, i think they are expensive tho
[19:38] <jonsmith1982> i have the neo freerunner, its great fun having ssh on your phone. :)
[19:38] <eviljames> syamajala: Stops altogether, or hangs?
[19:38] <syamajala> and if i click on the mouse i just get a black background
[19:38] <adrenaline_> I have an iphone
[19:38] <syamajala> it just stops
[19:38] <eviljames> NyteOwl: I have a blackberry now, I do not recommend it.
[19:38] <syamajala> doesn't freeze
[19:38] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: they do but my account is with Bell and they are a CDMA network and those phones aren't available :(
[19:38] <eviljames> syamajala: DBus / Udev configured correctly?
[19:39] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: only ruggedized phone I can get is a Sanyo Pro-70
[19:39] <syamajala> should be
[19:39] <syamajala> this is a fresh install
[19:39] <NyteOwl> er Pro-700
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[19:39] <eviljames> syamajala: I suppose this is why kde4 is in /testing ... getting any error messages?  Mouse still responsive?
[19:39] <NyteOwl> eviljames: you are the first person to NOT recommedn a blackberry ;)
[19:39] <syamajala> yeah the mouse works
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[19:39] <eviljames> NyteOwl: I had the Pearl for a few months before the official release - HORRID.
[19:40] <syamajala> if i kill x i get an error about xprop and the wrong $DISPLAY
[19:40] <eviljames> NyteOwl: Now I have a Curve - Livable, but do not buy.
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[19:40] <Pig_Pen> get a VHF/UHF ham radio and use a dtmf microphone and hack in to some repeaters for free phone calls :D
[19:40] <NyteOwl> eviljames: Like I said my phone selections are limited
[19:41] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: Then convert it into a backpack and run it on car batteries so that it has strong range everywhere :P
[19:41] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: unfortuantely that's hardly private :p And I don't have to hack - I have the patch code for the local repeater system
[19:41] <eviljames> NyteOwl: oh, limited how?
[19:41] <lw0x15> anyone uses bitlbee here ?
[19:42] <NyteOwl> eviljames: here are my options: http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpWls_PrdClpListView.page
[19:42] <eviljames> oh no
[19:42] <eviljames> Bell Canada, you poor bastared
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[19:42] <NyteOwl> note that some like the BB Storm are well outside my budget :)
[19:42] <eviljames> heh s/red/rd/ :P
[19:42] <syamajala> eviljames: it was working fine yesterday, but i had to reinstall slackware today because vmware got messed up
[19:42] <syamajala> the vmdk file for slackware got corrupted somehow
[19:42] <Pig_Pen> i would do it but everyone that uses ham or CB radio knows the sound of my voice and would say "Pig_Pen what are you doing on that repeater you bad boy?"
[19:43] <NyteOwl> eviljames: I have had zero problems with cellualr service on analog but as I said I have no choice now but to "upgrade" to diigital
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[19:44] <Pig_Pen> get a digital callphone, analog can be listened to with any hacked radio that can recieve full 800Mhz spectrum
[19:45] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: no need to hac, my Pro-2006 from Radio shack can receive 800 mHz cellualr
[19:45] <NyteOwl> :)
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[19:45] <Hoogin> Hello, anyone know how to install ATI drivers for Slackware 12.2?
[19:45] <NyteOwl> I'm forced to go digital. I just am trying to find a decent phone that will last the way my old MicroTAC has
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[19:46] <syamajala> eviljames: i figured it out
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[19:47] <eviljames> syamajala: o?  What was it?
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[19:47] <Pig_Pen> i used to have a uniden 2500 that i modded by moving a chip resistor, but that radio died ;( but before it died i noticed more digital cellphones would not have an analog transmission and all i could hear was an empty signal
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[19:47] <syamajala> there was a message about /usr/share/applications/kde4/koffice.desktop not having an Exec line
[19:47] <syamajala> just added one and it started fine
[19:48] <Pig_Pen> in canada you can buy a scanner receiver with full 800 mhz reception
[19:48] <NyteOwl> I looked at the new Moto RAZR2 but while it's nice and gets good reviews its very fragile apparenty
[19:48] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: yup
[19:48] <NyteOwl> I have 2 :)
[19:49] <NyteOwl> the Pro-2006 is upstairs and the RZ-1 is in the shack
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[19:49] <NyteOwl> I was looking at getting a new digi trunk tracker but will wait and see what the new Bearcats due out the end of the month are like
[19:49] <Pig_Pen> i wonder if the US border patrol look for new scanners in the hands of us citizens crossing the border
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[19:50] <NyteOwl> hi Old_Fogie
[19:50] <Pig_Pen> i bet it would be easy to hide a handheld scanner under the dashboard or in the trunk of a car
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[19:51] <NyteOwl> probably. I mount my RZ1 in the dash when I go out
[19:51] <jonsmith1982> you sure like you radio, aren't all the good channels encrypted now?
[19:51] <NyteOwl> it's DIN mounting so it slides right in
[19:52] <NyteOwl> jonsmith1982: depends what you're listening to and where you live
[19:52] <Pig_Pen> since cellphones are going digital an analog receiver wont hear anything other than an empty radio signal
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[19:59] <Pig_Pen> i live about 5 miles outside a small town, lots of farmers & simple country folks use a CB radio just for chatting purposes
[20:00] <Old_Fogie> yes CB's are good instant messengers, very little build dependencies
[20:00] <SM177Y> woah
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[20:05] <mbhayes> CB radios are good to have regardless if where you live
[20:06] <mbhayes> especially nice while travelling
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[20:19] <gnubien> mbhayes: do the local police/sherrif usually monitor channel 9 for emergency traffic?
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[20:20] <edman007> gnubien, i would think someone does
[20:21] <gnubien> edman007: not sure tho
[20:21] <edman007> gnubien, well i guess that the dispatch people probably have CB hooked into their system
[20:24] <Old_Fogie> Anyone recall how much hard drive space needed to build qt4?
[20:24] <edman007> e^82934
[20:24] <Old_Fogie> iirc, I think it was in excess of a gig+
[20:24] <edman007> i forget what units thats in
[20:25] <bhodgins> ...
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[20:28] <alkos333> nullboy: ping
[20:29] <nullboy> yo
[20:31] <alkos333> so virtio is only for the *nix guests, correct?
[20:31] <nullboy> yeah
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[20:34] <alkos333> nullboy: What happened to kvm's howto on virtio is what I'm wondering
[20:34] <nullboy> yeah there was never a lot about it though
[20:34] <nullboy> trial and error for me
[20:34] <alkos333> so I set the virtio on the guest or the host?
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[20:35] <alkos333> I'm just a bit perplexed here
[20:35] <alkos333> btw, we had a presentation on virtualization in our CS department - it was pretty neat
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[20:50] <BP{k}> lw0x15: yes. I am sorta now.
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[20:53] <alkos333> nullboy: still alive?
[20:54] <eviljames> Where's macavity when I want to strangle him?
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[20:57] <alkos333> lol
[20:57] <alkos333> eviljames: Why do you want to strangle him?
[20:59] <ananke> hmm, good god, i hate sun hardware
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[21:00] <eviljames> alkos333: He made an offhand comment the other day about intel graphics being slow.
[21:00] <eviljames> alkos333: Since then resizing windows has been slow for me when using compiz, this was not the case before his comment.
[21:01] <Old_Fogie> eviljames: a case of "speak it and it will come true" ? :)
[21:01] <eviljames> Yes.
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[21:02] <eviljames> He said it, it came true.  Now, he dies!  En Guarde, monsieur le macavity!
[21:02] <Old_Fogie> I think he also said, prolonged use of the intel driver will turn the user into a toad.  That didn't happen yet did it?
[21:02] <eviljames> But, of course, he is not here to face his fate.  Yellow!
[21:02] <eviljames> OH NOES!
[21:02] Action: eviljames just noticed webbed toes
[21:02] <Old_Fogie> don't worry, we'll find a Princess for you
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[21:02] <eviljames> Fortunately, this apartment already has one.
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[21:03] <eviljames> A slack-using, solaris-abusing, windows-hating, ubuntu-mocking princess!
[21:03] <eviljames> (Yes, she was looking over my shoulder)
[21:03] <Old_Fogie> hahah
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[21:06] <Old_Fogie> kitche: Hey I'm about done building my "Ark" ; we've gathered up the animals, some beer, there's room for one more, you better get here fast :)
[21:07] <spook> brain... melting out of ears...
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[21:10] <Pig_Pen> here it comes, a tornado just entered the county, the NWS says to expect high winds and possibly baseball sized hail, if i disapear from this IRC channel you'll know why
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[21:11] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: deadly.  We got snow (again) here last night.
[21:11] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: Not quite as severe, but snow isn't supposed to happen this often in  Vancouver.
[21:12] <Old_Fogie> baseball size hail? where is that Pig_Pen
[21:12] <Old_Fogie> ?
[21:12] <Pig_Pen> vancouver is right on the coast isnt it
[21:12] <Pig_Pen> oklahoma
[21:12] <Old_Fogie> oh wow
[21:12] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: yeah, couple hours north of Seattle.
[21:13] <briareus> eviljames: I want to move there (or to Seattle)
[21:13] <Pig_Pen> take a look at okla on http://www.intellicast.com/ (doppler radar)
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[21:13] <eviljames> briareus: I recommend vancouver to everyone.
[21:13] <spook> Old_Fogie: [ in bed ]
[21:14] <Old_Fogie> hmm, my bash isn't working "sed -i s/banks/Old_Fogie Stimulus Bill"  <--- why won't it workee, boo hoo :(
[21:14] <eviljames> And if people happen to show up here, I'll show them what's what.
[21:14] <eviljames> Old_Fogie: you forgot another / at the end.  s/banks/Old_Fogie/
[21:14] <Old_Fogie> ah ok I try it now
[21:14] <Old_Fogie> :)
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[21:15] <chopp> eviljames: if it wasn't for the rain, I'd move from alberta, but I'd rather -40 than the wet stuff. :)
[21:15] <eviljames> chopp: haha I was waiting to see if you'd chime in.
[21:15] <Old_Fogie> nope, don't work,shux
[21:15] <eviljames> chopp: I had to leave e-town.
[21:16] <eviljames> chopp: I spent 2 decades dealing with weeks of -35 or -40 at a time..
[21:16] <eviljames> no more.
[21:16] <Old_Fogie> chopp: you're in -40 now?
[21:16] <Pig_Pen> eviljames: you ever go salt water fishing in the pacific?
[21:17] <chopp> eviljames: yes, I remember you mentioning that. Old_Fogie no it's nice here now, -4C :)
[21:17] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: Yeah, went a little early last year.. managed to get 2x 20+lb salmon and a few others
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[21:17] <eviljames> chopp: -4C Awesome!  Perfect time for a vaction!
[21:17] <Pig_Pen> cool, you ever catch any halibut or flownder?
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[21:18] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: I caught a couple of hally's last year, my boat got I think 6 or 8 total.
[21:18] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: If you're in the 'hood, go to Ucluelet, BC Canada.  It is incredible.
[21:19] <Pig_Pen> i love halibut, they are so easy to filet,
[21:19] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: And are amazing on the BBQ
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[21:19] <Pig_Pen> yup
[21:19] <Old_Fogie> chopp: yes but that's still cold
[21:19] <eviljames> Old_Fogie: haha I was wondering if you'd find -4 to be cold or not.
[21:20] <eviljames> Old_Fogie: It's all relative, I lived where chopp's at for ages and -4 is beautiful.
[21:20] <Old_Fogie> well anything under 50F is cold to me
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[21:20] <chopp> Old_Fogie: t-shirt weather. ;)
[21:20] <eviljames> yea and that's about 28F, right?
[21:20] <Old_Fogie> right about there yea
[21:21] <chopp> eviljames: -4C = 24F
[21:21] <eviljames> F = (9/5 * c) + 32 iirc?
[21:23] <edman007> -40'C==-40'F, 32'F==-0'C, 212'F==100'C, remember two of those and you can derive it
[21:24] <edman007> s/-0/0/
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[21:24] <eviljames> edman007: 0 can be negative.
[21:24] <eviljames> It depends on the approach of the limit.
[21:24] <edman007> eviljames, yea, but i want 0, not -0
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[21:49] <alkos333> nullboy: so the virtio has to be compiled on the host machine, or just on the guest machine, or on both:
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[22:15] <hiptobecubic> My .Xauthority seems to like changing to root:root so that ican't open any windows or restart x
[22:16] <ananke> hiptobecubic : it doesn't do it by itself. you're doing it
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[22:16] <hiptobecubic> ananke, see, i thought this too
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[22:16] <hiptobecubic> but i realize now, that someone else is doing it, and i'm just letting them by running their software
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[22:17] <hiptobecubic> It seems to happen when i resume from suspend and wicd gets stuck "obtaining an ip address".
[22:17] Nick change: Administrator -> esom
[22:17] <hiptobecubic> anyway, i can get around it without _too_ much hassle by deleting it and restarting x that way
[22:18] <nullboy> does anyone know what harvester mode in openarena is?
[22:18] <nullboy> i can't figure that mode out
[22:18] <nullboy> orbs and stuff
[22:18] <hiptobecubic> ananke, you're in bioinformatics, are you not?
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[22:19] <ananke> yes
[22:20] Action: ananke has never used wicd
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[22:50] <alkos333> nullboy: am I asking a very stupid question?
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[23:08] <hiptobecubic> ananke, so you work largely with bioperl or no?
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[23:10] <macavity> morning :-)
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[23:10] <hiptobecubic> howdy
[23:10] <Old_Fogie> hello macavity
[23:11] <eviljames> macavity: I was cursing your name earlier.
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[23:11] <macavity> ah, its good to feel loved :-)
[23:11] <eviljames> macavity: Since we discussed intel driver failures I am noticing resizing windows takes an abnormal amount of time and have to investigate the issue.
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[23:12] <Old_Fogie> [ in bed ]
[23:12] <eviljames> amount of time to resize, that is.
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[23:21] <macavity> Mesa now requires GNU make
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[23:22] <Old_Fogie> macavity: yes I read that, great isnt it
[23:23] <macavity> Old_Fogie: you're on the mesa-dev too?
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[23:25] <macavity> oh, yes.. and all the gallium stuff is in mesa master now :)
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[23:29] <Worldsmith> Anyone here use a Wacom tablet?
[23:31] <NyteOwl> not in quite a while
[23:31] <acidchild> indeed.
[23:31] <acidchild> hey NyteOwl :D
[23:31] <NyteOwl> hi acidchild
[23:31] <NyteOwl> wassup?
[23:31] <acidchild> nothing :]
[23:32] Action: NyteOwl cell phone researching
[23:32] <acidchild> ah i'm playing with my IC-207
[23:32] <NyteOwl> kewl
[23:32] <NyteOwl> I'm currently reading about the Palm Centro
[23:33] <zGhost> I was thinking about getting an HTC Kaiser
[23:33] <Worldsmith> Hm, anyone use one currently?  I'm having trouble getting it set up the way I want it... It's not even mine or for me.  It's weird, the stylus works for the cursor, but the mouse does not (Bamboo Fun 6x8), however the mouse *buttons* do register to KDE and wacdump picks up just everything..
[23:34] <stitchman> i want a cell phone i can ssh into my server at home with, through verizon, any suggestions?
[23:34] <Worldsmith> I'm sort of at my wits end with this, I'm thinking its probably a simple configuration issue, but I'm not looking in the right place.
[23:34] <NyteOwl> never used a Bamboo but the Intuous were fairly easy to get going as I recall
[23:35] <Worldsmith> It works... okay.
[23:36] <Worldsmith> Like I said, the stylus works exactly as it should... the mouse is all "Where am I?"  Where does KDE 4.2 keep its input settings?
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[23:37] <Worldsmith> I wasn't really prepared for this, coming here to seek help, that is, because I'm not on my box, I didn't bring my buddy's laptop (and tablet) and, until I get 'Net at home (soon, soon), I'm forced to access through (*gag*) Windows.
[23:37] <Worldsmith> I've yet to get most of my friends and any of my family to see the light.
[23:38] Action: NyteOwl is actually on XP at the moment :)
[23:38] <Worldsmith> The best of the worst, me too
[23:38] <Worldsmith> the best of a bad lot, that is.
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[23:39] <zGhost> not really sure what phone I should get... I'm probably just going to get one that does phone like things
[23:39] <zGhost> nothing fancy
[23:40] <NyteOwl> I can't get the phone I want as it's not available on my carrier
[23:41] <Worldsmith> I miss bag phones.  I wonder if one could get one of those things working on modern networks, or if one would have to basically gut one and replace all the innards with tiny, tiny parts and be left with a mostly empty bag.
[23:41] <NyteOwl> Worldsmith: my carrier still has a motorola bag phone available
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[23:41] <Worldsmith> Sweet!
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[23:41] <NyteOwl> as do a few others
[23:42] <Worldsmith> I'm always vaguely frightened of swallowing this teeny flip phone.
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[23:42] <NyteOwl> lol
[23:42] <Worldsmith> I mean, I'm a big dude, k?  I need a big phone.
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[23:42] <NyteOwl> yes, miniaturization is all well and good but they are getting almost too small to use easily
[23:42] <Worldsmith> Something I can hold onto and am not liable to misplace behind my ear or something
[23:43] <NyteOwl> the Samsung cleo (even if it is aimed at the teenage girl markey) has ludicrously small buttons
[23:44] <Worldsmith> I just can't get into the texting thing, with, being a long-time, off and on again IRC user, that's sorta weird, but I can't handle the lack of sophistication, the truncation of language, the awful grammar, and the inefficiency
[23:44] <NyteOwl> Motorola M800 is the bag phome
[23:45] <Worldsmith> I mean, the average English-speaking American does 200 words per minute... texting 20 (40 if you're totally fab) wpm is just a waste of time
[23:45] <jkwood> 40 is highly unlikely.
[23:46] <Worldsmith> Thanks, NyteOwl, I'll look into that.  I've pretty well killed this teeny i850 by dropping it in the snow a half dozen times.  I don't even notice when I lose it.
[23:46] <Worldsmith> Just like my mind.
[23:46] <NyteOwl> Worldsmith: I want one of the ruggedized Motorolas but no go.
[23:47] <Worldsmith> What network?
[23:47] <zGhost> I was looking at a few smart phones
[23:47] <NyteOwl> Bell Canada (CDMA)
[23:47] <Worldsmith> Ah
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[23:48] <NyteOwl> I mean Telus have them and they are on CDMA (I think they must piggy back Bell's network) but Bell doesn't carry them. Go figure
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[23:48] <acidchild> ew @ bell
[23:48] <Worldsmith>  That M800 looks pretty small .... (<-- notice the highly dubious inflection)
[23:49] <agentc0re> Thats what she said.
[23:49] <NyteOwl> lol
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[23:50] <zGhost> anyone have any laptops they can recommend in the 600-800 USD range
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[23:58] <Old_Fogie> "recommend in the 600-800 USD range"  <--- well, I've got a few here, does it have to work? :)
[23:59] Action: dtanner offers Old_Fogie a stogie
[23:59] <Old_Fogie> :D
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