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[00:13] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:15] I dont see how this could possibly be fixed seeing as how it is that way before anything is loaded [00:15] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] How would I force it to always use a framebuffer? [00:16] gm152 (~glen@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:18] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] anyone know a cli wireless connection client [00:20] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [00:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:24] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] rantic (~no@unaffiliated/rantic) left irc: [00:27] SonLightInn (~user@61.43.249.4) joined ##slackware. [00:27] SonLightInn (~user@61.43.249.4) left irc: Client Quit [00:30] qwer (~madtop@c-24-14-243-237.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] anyone here do install via USB? [00:31] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:33] I have [00:33] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:34] qwer (~madtop@c-24-14-243-237.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:34] I used one thumb drive as a floppy and then used another than had my isos on it to actually install from [00:34] oh, ok [00:36] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:36] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [00:36] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:38] macavity (~macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:40] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.16.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:50] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:57] ienh (~ienh@ARennes-353-1-34-177.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:58] I keep getting a most annoying "UCHAR_MAX" undeclared error when attempting to compile glibc.. There wouldn't be anyone who knows what to do about it ? [00:59] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-26.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:00] pseudonymous: that's defined in limits.h, which is part of glibc itself. This begs the question of why you're trying to compile glibc... :) [01:01] and with that, 'tis bedtime for me. Sorry. 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[01:43] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:47] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:48] running slack13 64bit , downloaded adobe flash tarball, and placed it in all the necessary dirs, after that didn't work, used the Slackbuild package, which ran succesfully, the libflashplayer.so is in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins & /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/plugins (with all the same permissions as the other plugin files) such as libnullplugin.so - not showing up when i point the url to about:plugins , any suggestions? [01:48] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Restart firefox? [01:49] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:49] (just checking) [01:49] tried, along with rebooting. [01:49] Hey guys, I know Im a pain but I cant seem to find what I'm looking for with google. What is the generic fb driver for nvidia cards? The official one from nvidia is what I have loaded now and I cant get any results from using fbset so I'm thinking it's issues with the driver the same as I have issues with it when running x. [01:50] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:54] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:54] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [01:55] stonedslacker: depends on the card. in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video I have several like sisfb.ko, riva/rivafb.ko, savage/savagefb.ko .... [01:57] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:57] arcfide (arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-58.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [01:57] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [01:58] What makes this even harder is I can see what I'm typing or the error if any without holding enter down to get it up the screen a bit. When I first did modprobe nvidiafb something happened and I thought that was it but then I realised it was still the wrong size. [01:58] Now when I try to remove nvidiafb it says its in use and I cant seem to remove any of the ones associated with it either [01:58] grrr [01:59] Action: fhobia cheers on stonedslacker [01:59] actually, you shouldn't need to modprobe it since it should be autodetect in the kernel [02:00] fhobia: thanks [02:00] :) [02:00] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:00] macius (~macius@i209-195-115-66.cia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:01] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [02:01] cresente (~cresente@99-190-115-242.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:05] I just rebooted and lsmod|grep nvidia shows the nvidia module loaded but not being used by anything. I want to replace it with vesafb, how do I do it? [02:06] nooper (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [02:06] modprobe vesafb says no such file blah blah [02:06] modprobe vgafb [02:06] whoops, wrong keyboard l;ol [02:07] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:07] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] LSD`, you really think gigabit wont work at gigabit cause it's pci ? [02:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:09] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:13] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Dammit, I cant even find the free nvidia driver for slackware. I know there is one because I've seen it before but I cant google up the name of it. Anybody inclined to help? I just need to know what its called and I'll google my way to happiness [02:17] jeev: regular PCI only has about 133MB/s of bandwidth that's shared between all devices on the bus. Gigabit ethernet is 125MB/s in each direction. [02:17] LSD`: Keep in mind there's also more overhead in the actual wire packets than seen on pci [02:18] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) left irc: Quit: Quit [02:18] also, the pci bus has a few more bytes getting transferred than a packet on each clock cycle [02:19] pci=32bit parallel, gigabit: 8bit serial [02:20] Since you guys don't know I'll tell you, it's nv. Now next time someone asks you'll know :) [02:25] we already knew. but we wanted you to figure it yourself :) [02:26] I havent a problem with that but I cant see what I'm typing on the slack box and it's getting really old [02:27] try vesa too. it should be better than nv in most cases [02:28] I remembered that one but when I modprobe vesa, nv or anything besides nvidia I get module not found. [02:28] now I get it on that one as well because I just uninstalled the nvidia driver [02:28] those havent got kernel modules [02:29] stonedslacker: that is because the standard vga/vesa stuff is compiled into the kernel [02:29] so how do I use it? fbset does nothing [02:29] I get fb0:no such file or directory [02:30] i dont know how nvidia hardware deals with all this [02:30] crap [02:30] i generally try to stay away from "black box" hardware [02:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:35] hmm. [02:35] so i will not see gigabit speeds on a pci-x card using pci [02:36] jeev: most people dont.. as they cant even deliver that kind of speed to/from the disk [02:38] that is, dont see gigabit speeds even if their NIC is attached directly to the south bridge [02:38] i'm not trying to deliver anything wild, obviously limited by the drives speeds [02:38] i just dont want it to be really slow. [02:39] what can the drive deliver? [02:39] probably not much, i dont see usage over 200mbit, i just wanted to make sure that it's not going to crawl just cause i only have pci on that boar.d [02:40] hdpar -Tt /dev/drive gives you a dandy plastic reading [02:40] i dont have it set up, trying to build a new router [02:40] a regular PCI slot is good for some 7-800mbit [02:40] tired of this noisy ass shit [02:40] that is, if the NIC is accelerated etc etv [02:41] im fine at a hundred megs hoenstly. i just dont want issues [02:41] otherwise the latency tends to shave another 100 [02:42] im wondering if i should get a 2.5" or a cf [02:42] 100MB/s probably realistic if it is a non-suckey NIC (or an overpower CPU) [02:43] but again, if it is a router wich has many clients it could drop dramatically [02:43] intel quad ethernet pci-x on pci with an atom [02:44] as long as it works 100mbit without issue [02:44] as long as the NIC is intel (and i hate saying this) your are pretty golden [02:45] also that card does most of the routing "on card" which means that only the frame header gets moved over the FSB [02:45] so you can pretty mouch count on it to work at full Gbit speed for package forwarding [02:46] you wont be running any other services on the router? [02:46] no [02:46] no funkey deep trafic analysis? [02:46] *funky [02:46] just routing and firewalling? [02:46] no, just pfsense [02:47] jar_corefile (~jar_coref@76.210.61.157) joined ##slackware. [02:47] then the data segments never even gets moved to RAM [02:47] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:48] expect close to Gbit speed on port2port on it [02:48] i need to find out what case to buy and if i should go 2.5" drive or compactflash [02:48] compactflash will be more problematic in the future i think, 2.5" aint that loud [02:48] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:49] i know very little about casing [02:49] i already know what to get i guess [02:49] i just have to pick between so i'll see [02:49] ATX and miniATX all the way here :P [02:49] itx\ [02:50] no-one ever dumped something as fancy as that on me :P [02:50] and i only get what people dump on me [02:50] Action: macavity is the local computer dumpster [02:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:51] Mini ITX will fit into ATX cases just fine and it's probably cheaper and easier than going for a proper Mini ITX case [02:51] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:52] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: Quit: velusip [02:52] isnt ITX these virtually-the-size-if-a-palm boards? [02:52] i'm thinknig maybe not to waste $250 on it [02:52] money isn't the issue honestly, i want the stability though [02:52] maybe i can change the PSU in this current system i have [02:53] it's too loud [02:54] CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz (1693.74-MHz 686-class CPU) [02:54] PSU fix: take cover off, find the drill, make it look like a seive. Rig the fan for 7 volt instead of 12 (that is, move 0v to +5v and you get a 12-5=7v drop) [02:54] why does it show only 256 mb ram [02:54] not intersted in that, i'd rather buy then cut myself as usual [02:54] Nick change: ThomasLocke_ -> ThomasLocke [02:54] ok, inject a "be carefull" or two in the above ;-) [02:55] however, most PSUs will do just fine with the 7v trick [02:55] especially if its not a gamer rig/tea cooker [02:55] am i crazy, i want to buy the 160GB ssd tomorrow [02:56] intel. 450 bux [02:56] the last benchmark i saw put OCZ ahead [02:56] Action: nix_chix0r marco [02:56] but yes, the X25/X35 SSDs are pretty wild too [02:57] jeev: get 2x80 and run raid0 ;-) [02:57] any thoughts on those i7's [02:57] seen some deals on em [02:57] i've had an i7 for over a year, love it [02:57] nix_chix0r: *drooool*.. no, not really ;-) [02:57] stonedslacker, to use the nv driver with an nvidia card, just start X without xorg.conf and nv will get used automatically. [02:57] not interested inraid 0 [02:57] 80gb is 250, what should i do [02:57] i think it's worth it. [02:57] i mean it sort of isn't.. crucial's new one is coming out feb 22 but [02:57] i'm at a standstill, not sure. [02:58] jeev: the old rule of "raid0 doubles the risk" doesnt entirely hold for SSDs [02:58] microcenter is selling that with a mobo and 2 (2gb) ram for under 500bucks [02:58] stonedslacker, in order to use nvidia or vesa, you'll need to do X -configure, copy xorg.conf in place and just leave the vga section out of it. [02:58] but it does effectively double the performance [02:58] stonedslacker, with the proper driver specified. [02:58] how doesn't it hold for ssd [02:58] because on SSDs the entire drive doesnt dir in one fell swoop [02:58] *die [02:58] true [02:59] and you can predict drive death much more accurately with them [02:59] just ask the drive "ok, how good are you?" [03:00] i dont need more than 80gb [03:00] i have 4x1.5tb [03:01] when btrfs gets mainline you even get maximum fragmentation as cost free setting (wich prolongs SSD life quite a bit) [03:01] im thinking the crucial, it has 5 year warranty [03:01] it comes out feb 22nd [03:01] i can get the 64gig for like 200 bux [03:02] macavity, maximum fragmentation? [03:02] why is this such a difficult decision [03:03] slava_dp: btrfs does either automatic defrag or automatic fragmentation at the algorithm level [03:04] slava_dp: on SSD you want to have your writes distributed as evenly as possible, as they can read trilions of times from a "sector" (really, 4KB page), but only write in the tens of millions [03:04] slava_dp: thus, since there is not access/seek time, you *want* fragmentation [03:04] cool. so you *want* fragmentation on SSD' [03:04] right? [03:04] yup [03:05] never thought about it [03:05] when is btrfs coming? [03:05] stonedslacker (~stonedsla@cpe-075-181-028-091.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:06] you cant even meassure it performance wise if your data is perfectly unfragmented or totally blasted on SSD [03:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [03:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: Changing host [03:06] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:06] last i read about btrfs is that now the on-disk format is stable [03:06] stonedslacker (~stonedsla@cpe-075-181-028-091.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:06] but it is not yet rated "safe for corporate use" [03:07] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [03:07] but from what i hear it doesnt kill peoples data any more :P [03:08] how does it compare to ext4 performance-wise? [03:08] quite a bit better [03:08] say in 13 running Xfce I can't get it to automount a usb drive or flash drive, I'm in /etc/groups plugdev and cdrom and also in /etc/login.defs I added in for CONSOLE_GROUPS :plugdev but nothing works [03:08] its the zfs killer :P [03:08] haha, ext4 is chasing the leader once again. [03:08] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:09] Xgates: look in /dev/, if it is one of those rare drives where they made the fs straight on the raw device you know hwy [03:09] Xgates, hal, dbus running? [03:10] macavity, fdisk -l is better than looking in /dev :) [03:10] Xgates: eg, if you only see /dev/sdb and no sdb1, then you need to manually mount it, move the data off, cfdisk it to have a proper partition table, and mkfs it to your likings [03:10] http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10450394-1.html <-- robotic spider college project. he used ubuntu, but it would be interesting to see how slackware would stack on it [03:10] slava_dp: right.. i just have the other thing as a habit [03:11] there is dev/sdb1 and in ps aux I see hal and dbus [03:11] Xgates: did you log out and log in after you added yourself to plugdev? [03:12] stonedslacker (~stonedsla@cpe-075-181-028-091.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:12] anyhow.. shower and off to art studio class [03:12] yes I logged out [03:12] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-220.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:14] I can't believe this is turning out to be such a pain and something like this isn't just automated in Slack already [03:14] errrrrrrr [03:15] Action: Xgates bangs head [03:17] anyone else got a clue? [03:17] Lafy (~matt@CPE000fcb36ca0d-CM00122540231e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [03:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:18] Xgates: Are you able to manually right-click and mount the volume? [03:18] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-87-191.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:18] of course not because nothing happens when I plug anything in, so of course I can't right click anything, nothing there... :) [03:18] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:22] sheesh this damm thing is borked, even a cd won't automount with me in the /etc/group cdrom and in fstab I changed /dev/cdrom from root to user and nothing on it [03:22] errr [03:24] which groups are you a member of? [03:25] plugdev and cdrom [03:25] in /var/log/debug it shows that it found usb devices and was scanning it [03:25] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:26] but even with the fstab changed to user for the cdrom and added in that group, it's not mounting the cdrom [03:26] hmm [03:26] Xgates, what did you do to a stock install? you've broken something. [03:27] Xgates, this works for everyone and is pretty automated out of the box. [03:27] nothing I haven't removed anything important to effect this... [03:27] I practically installed everything, but KDE [03:28] does excutine 'groups' in a terminal emulator verify you are a member of these groups? [03:28] but this is on a laptop, but not sure why Slack would be having issues with a laptop and cdrom and usb [03:28] you didn't add your usb and cdrom devices to fstab, did you? [03:28] executing* [03:28] I didn't add anything for usb [03:28] depends on the laptop - some laptops (like older thinkpads) require kernel boot options to be properly recognized [03:29] new laptop [03:29] Xgates, can you get pmount from slackbuilds.org and try pmounting your usb drives? [03:30] ahhh I'll have to mess with this later then... I was just hoping something in perms was needed somewhere was all... [03:30] so out the box it should work and not needing anything? [03:30] you -> plugdev, relogin, it works. [03:31] exit [03:31] jar_corefile (~jar_coref@76.210.61.157) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:31] well I'm in plugdev and not working [03:31] when you create a user with useradd, it asks you to press ^ for additional groups. did you follow? [03:31] I added it in manually [03:31] what does "groups" output? [03:31] if dbus & hal are running you just have to be member of plugdev. thats about it [03:32] I'm not on the box, it's next to me [03:32] I only looked at ps aux and noticed dbus and hal in there [03:33] will you tell me the "groups" output please? :) [03:33] the box isn't online and I don't want to type everything :) [03:33] I said I'm in cdrom and plugdev and that's it [03:33] 3th time requested [03:33] 3rd [03:33] one line is too much to retype? [03:34] ok bye, best of luck [03:34] sorrt what are you saying about groups? [03:34] you want to see what is in /etc/groups> [03:34] ? [03:34] sorrt/sorry.... [03:34] damn. _please execute "groups"_ *in your shell* [03:35] users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev [03:35] that was tough [03:35] SORRY thought we were talking about something else for groups hehe :) [03:36] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [03:36] i don't know what the problem is in. everything looks in order. [03:36] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:37] Action: slava_dp resumes doing his stuff [03:37] oh well I'll mess with it later... [03:37] thanks [03:37] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [03:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:39] running slack13 64bit , downloaded adobe flash tarball, and placed it in all the necessary dirs, after that didn't work, used the Slackbuild package, which ran succesfully, the libflashplayer.so is in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins & /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/plugins (with all the same permissions as the other plugin files) such as libnullplugin.so - not showing up when i point the url to about:plugins , any suggestions? 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[03:52] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-220.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:53] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:54] no such luck :( [03:55] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:56] Nick change: nyRednek_ -> nyRednek [03:56] xorsurgeon, which slackbuild? [03:58] xorsurgeon: did you restart firefox after flash installation? [04:05] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-208-149.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:08] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@207.81.93.133) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:15] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Morn [04:23] to 4.4 or not to 4.4 that is the question [04:24] dtzWill (~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Zordrak, i'd wait for 4.4.1, aseigo noted some patches are in order there. [04:26] YOu can try 4.4 and just as easily replace it back with 4.3 if you don't like it Zordrak. No dependency hell... upgrade and downgrade should be relatively painless (except probably user settings in .kde4) [04:26] alienBOB: gtk, thx [04:27] hell i only just got 4.3 :) [04:28] what the hell.. beats actually doing work [04:29] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:31] alienBOB: i should only need to backup .kde, right? [04:32] Zordrak: probably, yes. Your .local does not contain KDE specific data I assume [04:32] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-208-149.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:32] no idea to be honest.. will have a look at it [04:32] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:33] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:33] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [04:33] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:35] ewwwwwwwwwww Kigo! [04:36] my dissertation was a GUI tutoring Go game. put me off for life :) [04:36] cityLights (~cityLight@bzq-84-111-46-151.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:36] hi all [04:37] say I got a folder with several files. I copied the folder and edited the files. removed several files, I now want to have these two in one git repository [04:37] so I init the folder with git and the old content. I now copy over the new content and commit. It doesnt work - why [04:37] ? [04:39] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [04:40] cityLights (cityLight@bzq-84-111-46-151.red.bezeqint.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:41] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429118.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:41] the first thing Zordrak did on his new KDE installation, he went browsing games :-) [04:44] slava_dp: lol.. no im just looking at the screencasts etc [04:45] hi, i'd like an advice about how to go with partitioning an existing system [04:46] right now i have 30GB as sda1 with windows on it [04:46] 2 GB as sda2 with swap [04:46] and 120GB as sda3 with slackware [04:47] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [04:47] i'd like to delete the sda1 [04:47] "existing system" ... so why change now? [04:47] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:47] and create one big partition for linux [04:47] tank-man: to dump the blows [04:47] tank-man, i don't need the windows partition [04:48] i want one bij linux partition [04:48] big [04:48] zux: image the partition, wipe the disk.. write the partiton back to the start of the disk.. then extend it [04:48] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-20.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:48] that's the hard way to go.... [04:49] zux: not forgetting to update fstab and lilo [04:49] zux: seems pretty straight forward to me [04:49] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:49] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:49] the easy solution involves no backup, right ? :) [04:49] yeah, but i though maybe there is a way to just extend the sda3 [04:50] zux: depends on the filesystem [04:50] no, doing such things without a mackup would be just stupid [04:50] ext3 [04:50] backup [04:51] zux: i dont think its possible to extend ext3 backwards [04:51] it doesnt really work that way [04:51] in reality i do need that windows installation, but a virtual machine will be enough [04:51] zux, get parted magic live cd and resize it. [04:51] mattlafy (Lafy@CPE00226b919fde-CM00222d6c7c95.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:51] Zordrak, gparted can. [04:51] slava_dp: really? [04:51] maybe this procedure will work with gparted: delete sda1 (windows) and sda2(swap), make it 1 partition, then resize it [04:51] slava_dp: oh well then [04:51] afaik [04:52] slava_dp, but it doesn't do it online, while the system is working, right? [04:52] zux, livecd only. [04:52] i realy hate to reboot or shut down..... [04:52] zux: dude seriously? [04:52] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:52] zux, you can install gparted from SBo, but it won't resize your root partition (obviously) [04:52] zux: please service my car while i drive it to work... [04:53] haha [04:53] they can refuel planes while flying :) [04:53] Zordrak, well lot's of things actually can be done that way with linux [04:53] tank-man: can they replace the chassis? [04:53] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [04:53] but not change the wheels or engine of course... [04:53] hahh, got me there [04:54] the wheels would be partitions and kernel would be the engine.... [04:55] we understand partitions and harddrives, we dont need analogies [04:55] well then i'm talking to myself... [04:56] good partitioning from the start could have helped me.... [04:56] Lafy (Lafy@CPE00226b919fde-CM00222d6c7c95.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:56] but again, i didn't create this setup... [04:56] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.34) left ##slackware ("I have to go."). [04:57] you can always use 2 partitions, one for root and one for home [04:57] yeah, that would have been better... [04:57] and if root was on sda1 [04:59] ok, then another question, what experience do you folks have with encrypted partitions? [04:59] there might be a readme file on that on the dvd [04:59] slackware dvd [05:00] since this is a laptop, i'm thinkig about encrypting, at least the home partition [05:01] well i know how to do it [05:02] but how will it affect performance? [05:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429118.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:02] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:02] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [05:03] unless you have hardware encryption enabled, it does have some performance hit [05:03] it's always a tradeoff [05:04] zux, boot up the slackware dvd, mkfs the 1st partition, tar over the contents of the third to the first, rerun lilo and mount the third as home. [05:04] no backup needed. [05:04] i'm thinking like this, this is a pretty powerfull laptop, but the hdd performance aint so good [05:05] slava_dp, but then i will have a big root partition [05:05] 30 GB [05:05] much bigger than i need [05:05] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [05:06] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:06] well ok, i'll figure out somthing about partitioning [05:06] but another thing is, should i encrypt the root partition? [05:07] tb is there any reason to do that? [05:07] i don't see the benefit, if anything its the data you want to protect [05:07] but you might wanna encrypt everything to make anything harder to find [05:07] but personally, i'm dubious about the security of encryption anyway [05:08] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.199.140) joined ##slackware. [05:10] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:11] hmm. i'm trying out screen and my backspace key isn't working. [05:12] Skywise, why not? i'm only thinking about a situation where i loose my laptop [05:13] ok, this is linux, every looser who could find it, won't probably even get to any file [05:13] hehe [05:13] well not only that, they would typically wipe the machine incase it would phone home [05:13] yeah, but [05:13] zux, most people will just reformat it for windose. [05:14] if the laptop get's stolen [05:14] not just by somebody [05:14] but encrypting your data would be fine [05:14] but maybe someone who want's some specific info [05:14] about me or my job [05:14] don't think of encryption as some impermiable defense [05:14] the encryption would be very helpfull [05:15] think of it as a delaying tactic [05:15] any sufficiently large corporation can aquire the resources needed to decode your data [05:16] ok, then at least if some smart guy finds this laptop, pulls the hdd out and wants to have a look at my files, he looses the interest after he finds encrypted partition [05:16] yeah [05:16] on the other hand [05:16] Skywise, you think so? a 256 bit AES is so easily broken? [05:16] if it would me [05:17] its all a matter of cpu time [05:17] with a long passprase [05:17] i would start thinking, that there must be something important, if it's encrypted [05:17] and resources that were once considered vast are really trivial [05:18] there are datacenters who's only limitation is the power density allowed by law [05:18] they're literally not allowed to bring in any more power [05:18] the question is how much will somebody have to pay, to get it decrypted [05:19] and will they be interested in spending that amount of money [05:19] did you know google competes with aluminum smelters for land near power generators now? [05:19] for exactly this info [05:19] i'm saying its trivial for certain interests [05:19] in my case, an avarage encryption will be more than enough [05:20] this is no government secrets here :P [05:20] the way the gov't does it, is that it determines the lifespan of the data and uses what would take longer then the lifespan to decode [05:20] they don't presume that it won't be decoded [05:21] Nick change: alreadygone -> U2 [05:21] down here where i'm from [05:22] i'm just saying encryption will keep out most observers, but not a concerted one, prolly the one you want to keep out most [05:22] i have a reason to believe that nobody actually has the computing power to decrypt such a partition [05:22] lol [05:22] who knows, maybe someone's got the keys to a botnet [05:23] so, they would have to pay somebody else to do it [05:23] web1109 (~web1109@70-59-241-3.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:23] yeah, lease a cloud [05:23] well, nice talking, i now am concerned that nobody will decrypt my files.... [05:24] there really is nothing that important there [05:24] yeah, i wouldn't worry about it too much, i think physical security will be your best defense [05:24] its always been my believe that when someone has physical access, its game over [05:25] belief [05:25] that's pretty much a given [05:25] well this is not a live or die question [05:25] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] mostly i wan't to protect my personal files, that i would just not like anyone else to look at [05:25] i'm not saying don't do it [05:25] i'm just saying don't have a false sense of security about it [05:26] zux, just choose a really long pass sentence. it'll take long months to decode even on a cluster. [05:26] yeah slava_dp, just have to remember it myself.... [05:27] go for something simple: Camarade_Tux_Is_Wonderful_I_Love_Him_So_Much =) [05:27] i'm a kind of guy who can get drunk and lose himself, not to think a bout a laptop... [05:27] have you looked a luks with a usb key yet? [05:27] nop, but if i loose the laptop and the key... ? [05:27] slackware does not support usb keys yet [05:28] slava_dp, that can probably be fixed... [05:28] no, but you can make it work [05:28] everything can be fixed [05:28] yeah, theres plenty of readmes on it [05:28] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.33.217) joined ##slackware. [05:28] you basically just add a udev entry on the id of the device which then gets automounted [05:29] neosix (~six@109.93.24.127) joined ##slackware. [05:29] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.33.217) left irc: Client Quit [05:29] and then a script gets called and all the right things happen and then your thing is decoded [05:29] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [05:29] i don't know how to backup or restore the usb device tho [05:29] but if speaking about getting drunk and losing the laptop, it's probably losing the laptop, wallet, apartment keys and the usb stick.... [05:29] and if you're losing laptops, well maybe a usb drive is out of the question [05:29] :D [05:30] i have not yet lost one... [05:30] but what if [05:30] yeah, look into that first [05:30] i've only skimmed the topic [05:30] Hello! I'm trying to use notify-send, but nothing happens! Of course I installed libnotify. Any idea? [05:30] there was nice howto for redhat [05:31] ok, another question [05:31] neosix: and anything to notify-receive? [05:31] fixed screen. [05:31] how about dd if=/dev/sda3 on a running system? [05:31] Camarade_Tux: nothing, blank output [05:31] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyLUKSTwoFormFactor [05:32] it would work, but the copy would be inconsitent [05:32] neosix: I mean, are you sure there's anything listening? [05:33] can't decide how to go about it [05:34] clean install and restore my files from backup, or try to migrate existing system... [05:34] i like to do a clean install, lets you upgrade and get rid of legacy files [05:34] Camarade_Tux: well I type: "notify-send Hello", and nothing. (sorry if I didn't understand your question) [05:35] then i migrate my data over, and keep the old volume around incase i forget something [05:35] neosix: what do you expect to happen? [05:35] well this was a 12.1 install at first [05:35] Camarade_Tux: pop-up message with Hello :) [05:35] then upgraded to 12.2, then to 13 [05:35] if you don't wanna start from scratch then you can copy the whole volume using cp or rsync instead of dd [05:36] cause you don't really want a block by block copy if the new drive has a larger blocksize [05:36] neosix: from what? kde? gnome? xfce? there needs to be something listening to the messages and maybe there isn't anything [05:37] you'll have to check the flags, i think cp -aR is what you should need, you wanna preserve permissions and recurse [05:37] but theres plenty of how-tos on that with different options [05:37] well permissions are not important on the home files [05:37] it's all just with my users permissions... [05:37] and as long as you don't trash your original, you can always start over [05:37] you want them to be preserved, lest they can't change their own files [05:38] Camarade_Tux: I'm using fluxbox, and I need notify-send for some script. I used that method on Gentoo and it worked. So that's why I'm confused. No errors, nothing... [05:38] i'm thinking if i have done anything in /etc that would need backing up.... [05:38] if you don't preserve, everything will be owned by root [05:38] Skywise, yes, but i can always chown -R after that [05:39] well, you haven't been the first to travel this path, take a look at some of the how-tos for a guide [05:39] neosix: I don't think there's anything listening to dbus events on fluxbox, gentoo must have had something special, some additional application running in the background [05:39] theres other implications too [05:39] like for daemons and such [05:39] and your mail spool directories [05:39] damn, my acpi hooks.... [05:39] :P [05:39] no, i don't recieve mail here [05:40] that was just an example [05:40] imap + thuinderbird for e-,mail [05:41] Camarade_Tux: hmm, maybe you're right. Well thanks for the idea, and now back to google :D. [05:41] ok, thanks for all the ideas, i'll start reading stuff and cleaning /home from junk... [05:41] neosix: you can prolly try again in gentoo and check what is running [05:42] Camarade_Tux: well, I deleted Gentoo - great distro but I need one more life for the compilation :D [05:42] neosix: xD [05:43] jeesus h christ... ive just spent the last hour mirroring the wrong architecture! i need a caffeine injection [05:43] yeah, so you can make the next mistake faster [05:43] speaking of which, I wonder if anyone figured out what the "H" means in there? :) [05:43] Horatio [05:43] Zordrak, yeah, i did the same thing yesterday, and even installed some 32 bit patches on a slack64..... [05:43] you actually need bed, otherwise you'll spend the next day undoing the mess you're making now [05:44] Skywise: nah.. im ok.. just blindly following instructions that default to x86_64 [05:44] when i'm tired, i don't do good work [05:44] i dont usually make a mistake like that twice [05:45] by the way, do you know why patrick won't insert x86_64 notice in /etc/slackware-version? [05:45] cant wait for the new fibre... about to quintuple the speed of our WAN link [05:45] its a text file, make it anyway you want [05:45] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [05:46] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:46] Skywise, yes it is, but i'm thinking about the default [05:46] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.207.160) joined ##slackware. [05:46] you can even put in a smiley face if you like [05:46] but you prolly shouldn't [05:46] exactly [05:47] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:47] zux: `arch -m` [05:47] or maybe someone should tell patrick about it... [05:47] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:47] err [05:47] uname -m or arch [05:47] Zordrak, well after that mistake i found at least 3 ways to make sure it's a 64-bit system [05:48] zux: if you mix up 32-bit and 64-bit then it is your problem. The /etc/slackware-version will show the Slackware version, not it's architecture. use "uname -m" for the architecture [05:48] isn't slackware version salckware64-13.0? [05:49] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:49] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [05:49] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [05:49] No. [05:49] Do not confuse the directory name with the Slackware version [05:49] ok then [05:50] speeking of versions [05:50] cat /etc/slackware-version [05:50] Slackware 12.1.0 [05:51] Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 [05:51] why were those extra 0 created? [05:52] cause its more better [05:52] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:52] Skywise, is that a speculation or info from source? [05:52] it was a joke [05:52] :) [05:53] though so :) [05:53] thought [05:53] I think Pat likes to have a bit of fun with the version numbers. [05:54] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:55] My guess it would be to tweak the people that got pissed about slackware skipping a few versions. [05:55] but thats just a guess/ [05:55] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [05:55] its room to grow in [05:56] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [05:56] and what wrong with a little more precision [05:56] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:58] Lafy (Lafy@CPE00226b919fde-CM00222d6c7c95.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:01] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [06:01] alienBOB: what happened to the extra bits that are needed for kde4.4 that are putting pat off? are they part of this or have they been left out? [06:02] They have been left out [06:02] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.16.190) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Most notably the fontinstaller and the printer configuration, require polkit [06:02] what effect does that have in practice compared to leaving them in? are we just missing the odd feature here or there such as the two you just mentioned? [06:03] And since polkit still depends on pam and a lot of other gnome-ish stuff that is not in Slackware (or Slackware has too old versions) it is not easy to add either [06:03] indeed [06:03] It's just that. You will lack a few applications that do things with "root permissions" [06:03] The rest of the user experience is unchanged [06:03] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:04] okeydokey, thanks. and thanks for your continued efforts with these things [06:05] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Aaron Seigo commented on that "politics" rant of mine, he was genuinely upset: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde3-kde4-and-slackware-13-0/#comment-10941 [06:05] So I guess, in the end (KDE 4.5 perhaps?) things will work out properly for Slackware [06:05] fingers crossed, breath held.. [06:06] Nick change: U2 -> alreadygone [06:06] It's good that I poked the embers a bit so that the flames flared higher. At least the issue we are having is on the radar now [06:06] absolutely [06:06] ... reading [06:07] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:07] There is a whole lot of updates for Slackware which are pending, which should make it a bit easier to attempt building polkit with the "shadow patch" written by NaCl [06:07] oo [06:10] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.99.50) joined ##slackware. [06:11] I would use KDE4 on my Slackware13 if it would show my desktop icons :) One day I am seeing icons on my desktop. I shutdown my PC, go to bed. Next day, wake up, turn on PC, icons are gone !!! hover my cursor around the desktop a bit aimlessly... and magically icons start appearing on the desktop... [06:11] I just use XFCE now... [06:12] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:14] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:18] I'm trying to decide on a distro to run on quite a few servers which i'll be setting up. At the moment I'm leaning towards slackware, but wanted to get a bit of input as well. Slackware seems a good choice to me because it doesn't have any tools like apt, and i'll be doing my very best to keep all my servers more or less identical in terms of package versions etc. However I come from a windows background, and I'm not too sure about the iss [06:19] too sure about the iss....... [06:19] iss?/win 3 [06:19] bleh [06:19] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:23] fs_: one way to keep your servers synced is to have one server as your repository for installed packages/upgrades [06:23] but I've found slackware to be easy to work with [06:24] and I work at a company that uses debian in a network center with a _bunch_ of servers [06:25] nah, not that many :P [06:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:25] well i recently created a slackware repo at my lan [06:26] so all other servers get their patches from there [06:26] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:27] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.207.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:27] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:27] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:28] so that shouldn't be too much of an issue then. how about major version releases? is there any real reason to move from say slackware 12 - 13? and is it much of a issue if it is a requirement? [06:28] fs_: no need for pure servers [06:28] fs_: slackpkg makes your life easir. [06:28] easier* [06:28] fs_: but the option is there and its simple to do [06:29] fs_: keeping your server in sync with your repo is a piece of cake [06:29] fallen: thanks, i'll check it out [06:29] fs_: upgrading is also quite easy. slackpkg can do all the hardwork for you. [06:29] fs_, my belief is that you don't need to upgrade versions on servers unless the version doesn't get any more security patches [06:29] slackpkg sounds rad [06:29] alienBOB: the link on your home wiki page to slackware.org.uk is 404 [06:29] zux: sounds reasonable. do you know what the patch cycle is for slackware? [06:30] fs_: when a security update is available it enters /patches [06:30] not exactly..... [06:30] slackware is still supported in this way back to slackware 8.0 i believe [06:30] oh wow. that's pretty impressive [06:30] fs_: get used to saying that phrase.. [06:31] those are the facts, but what is the politics in this one, i don't know [06:31] my oldest box is running slac 11 [06:31] slack 11 [06:31] powtrix: [OT] http://pers.yaxm.org/ze_outside_it_exists , quite a lot of snow suddenly and then, lots of sun ;-) [06:31] i dont have any 11 boxes left.. the oldest is 12.0 [06:32] i guess the next thing for me to do will be to set up a few tests and start mucking around with patching and stuff in slackware. sounds like it should fit the bill nicely [06:32] upgrading from 11 to 13 is simples: you just need to compile xz in there and upgrade pkgtools, glibc-solibs. slackpkg does the rest [06:32] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.16.190) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:32] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [06:32] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [06:32] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [06:33] fs_: the whole patching process: slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all [06:33] (I just keep mentioning slackpkg not as a troll. it just cause "upgrade-all" really does it all) [06:33] Zordrak: that's what I mean :D [06:33] fallen, you *are* a troll [06:34] haha sweet. i'll begin my tinkering with slackpkg then =) [06:34] guax: and you are uglier than an ogre. so what, yogi bear? [06:34] Zordrak, dont forget install-new [06:34] fs_: upgrading major versions is usually little more than "slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all; slackpkg install-new" [06:34] guax: ^ [06:34] guax: patching a ver without upgrade doesnt need i [06:34] *it [06:34] humm [06:34] by the way, in what state is slackware-current now? [06:35] clarify.. [06:35] usually i upgrade aaa first (just elflibs and if needed) then install-new, upgrade-all and reboot, aways worked [06:35] stable, close to it or? [06:35] zux: stable [06:35] zux: current is also testing, so beware of broken upgrades [06:35] from 11.0 to 12.2 and something in middle of 12.2 and 13.0 (former current) whas upgraded, never reinstalled [06:36] im running -current as it is today on my desktop [06:36] might break and stability not guaranteed but it's very stable in practice [06:36] no problems [06:36] ymmv [06:36] would you recommend installing it instead of 13? (this is a laptop, not a server or something) [06:36] zux: yes [06:36] ok [06:36] zux, live on the edge, its cool [06:36] I've been using -current on both desktop and several laptops for a month now [06:36] zux: so long as you accept the risks and "Know What You're Doing" [06:36] guess i'll probably install current then [06:36] so far the only issue was an intel video driver issue [06:37] what about config files and stuff? does upgrading to a different major release mess with settings and stuff? (Perhaps by upgrading a app to a version that uses different syntax in config file, or overwriting config files?) [06:37] zux, but aways remember to read the changelog, and if some change is too big or dangerous ask people here before update [06:37] fs_: theyre not overwriten... a .new file gets put next to the original and then slackpkg prompts you to Keep, Remove, Overwrite or Diff [06:37] a little bit more about the intel video issue.... (00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) << here) [06:38] fs_: standard config files are actually named as config.new, so it's easy to tell since the appropriate script for checking configs asks you what you want to do with them [06:38] yep [06:38] that's the video chip I have [06:38] and what's the issue with it? [06:38] slackpkg sounds rad =D [06:38] I ended up installing the extra/xf86-video-intel-7.x driver instead of the newer -8.x driver to fix the issue [06:38] X died when you logged out and didn't restart [06:39] fs_: it is. when teamed with sbopkg (http://sbopkg.org) you have an unbeatable combination [06:39] ctrl+alt+F6 didn't help? [06:39] neosix (six@109.93.24.127) left ##slackware. [06:39] try the new driver first, if that issue comes up, shoot an email to pat with your hardware and if you regressed the driver to the 7.x driver [06:40] ctl-alt-f6 was fine, but X was dead for runlevel 4 [06:40] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [06:40] you had to manually change runlevels to 3 then back to 4 [06:40] s/you/I/ [06:40] and here i've been compiling all my slackbuilds by hand. feels like i've been under a rock [06:40] alisonken1noc: you know you could just have killed startx/X and started it over again, right? [06:40] fs_: come into the light [06:41] thanks for the assist everyone =) should give me a bit to toy with for a while [06:41] fallen: the problem is I shouldn't have to [06:41] fs_: spread the love [06:41] that's probably not the way it "should" be [06:41] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:41] alisonken1noc: init 3 and then init 4 sound too much trouble hehehe [06:41] i'm still having a long time issue with my home desktop and the nvidia card [06:42] if I kill X, or just switch to init 3, the whole display dies [06:42] and doesn't show anything until a restart [06:42] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:42] zux: when did you last get an updated driver? [06:42] ahh some time ago.... :P [06:42] e01 (~Enzo_01@main.shu-bg.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] zux: nvidias release cycle is pretty good.. [06:42] zux: proprietary nvidia driver? [06:43] akSeya (~bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-cjnzhdpwhbcqaosv) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Camarade_Tux, yes [06:43] i have a problem while trying to compile gvfs-1.5.1 [06:43] good morning all [06:43] but I don't see that issue much, since that box is allways on and no need to kill X [06:43] i was recompiled glib to version 2.22.4, and have a libsoup-2.28.2 [06:44] i just know it exists [06:44] zux: they don't always clean behind them and the kernel has no good way to clean for them but as Zordrak said, an update might solve the problem [06:44] anyone familiar with FOG? [06:44] but gvfs still won`t compile with option FTP, can somebody help me [06:44] what's the error? [06:44] Camarade_Tux, it shouldn't be an old driver, since i downloaded it when i installed slack-13 [06:45] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [06:45] zux: there have been several releases since then [06:45] but the issue was there with at least 2 older versions of the driver [06:45] I installed slack-13 like 5-6 months ago on that box [06:46] Camarade_Tux: looks like the weather is travelling west [06:46] just had a serious snowstorm... now its bright and sunny [06:47] Zordrak: I thought it was travelling south, I was talking over irc with a friend south to me: he's about 10 cloud-minutes south of me ;-) [06:47] Zordrak: but where are you? [06:48] very much north west of you [06:48] so it's a snow-full winter in north america too? [06:48] zux: unless you have a very old card, there are probably versions that are worthwhile to update to [06:49] zux: who are you asking? [06:49] Zordrak: oh, I thought you were only north ;-) [06:49] Zordrak, everyone of you who talk about weather? [06:49] or are you not from north america? [06:49] zux: how would we know about the US? [06:49] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [06:50] zux: I'm from France, Zordrak is from the big island north of France :-) [06:50] Camarade_Tux: depends exactly where you are i guess.. im about parallel with Rennes [06:50] oh, sorry then [06:50] thought most of you are from usa [06:51] zux: They're all still asleep [06:51] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-138-90.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:51] the wind is strong here this morning 40-50mph [06:51] right now, most of us aren't [06:51] or from west coast of the us with bad schedules [06:51] zux north carolina here [06:51] TClayton: Get back to bed [06:51] good morning all [06:51] Zordrak: paris, so a bit more to the east but not too much [06:52] TClayton: it's been blowing like hell all night [06:52] Zordrak: peaking in before work [06:52] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-193-64.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:52] ananke: yeah just noticed it here [06:52] enough to be on the NW side of NNW [06:53] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:53] NWNNW :) [06:53] ours is a bit weaker, 25-30mph, but it's 12F outside. that makes it feel like 2F [06:53] brrr [06:53] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [06:53] silly imperialist yanks [06:54] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.38) joined ##slackware. [06:54] 35F [06:54] mine says -8,5 C [06:54] The_Apprentice (~The_Appre@cpc2-chwo1-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:54] silly people who can't read imperial units [06:54] Zordrak: http://matadornetwork.cachefly.net/matadorabroad.com/docs//wp-content/images/posts/20100203-metric.jpg [06:54] where are all the exe files placed? [06:54] ananke: s/cant/choose not to/ [06:54] trying to find tclsh [06:54] The_Apprentice: in window [06:54] The_Apprentice: in windows [06:54] The_Apprentice: *nix doesn't have "exe files" [06:55] if you mean binary [06:55] yea bin [06:55] the probably /usr/bin [06:55] or /usr/sbin [06:55] "which tclsh" [06:55] The_Apprentice: "which tclsh" [06:55] /usr/share/images <- those are all binary [06:55] as long as it's in your path, it will tell you where it is [06:55] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [06:55] The_Apprentice: what are you trying to achieve? [06:56] woo.. finished mirroring 4.4 [06:56] ananke: paint.exe ? [06:56] mspaint.exe [06:56] true [06:56] Action: ananke suggets paint.net instead [06:56] however, knowing that makes you rather suspect ;) [06:56] HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT [06:57] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [06:57] pah.. Paint Shop Pro v7.02f [06:57] I am trying to write a tcl script.. like any script I am trying to add the line "/usr/local/bin" the dir where the "tclsh.exe is located [06:57] adaptr: cause although i use slack... not everyone else does :) [06:57] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:57] tclsh is not seem to be on the that dir [06:57] The_Apprentice: type 'which tclsh' [06:57] The_Apprentice: tclsh.exe doesn't sound a likely filename [06:58] thx [06:58] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ebfotpdzgvlrexmc) joined ##slackware. [06:58] which tclsh works [06:58] The_Apprentice: /usr/local is reserved for you, the admin. system packages will not put stuff there. [06:58] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:58] "man tclsh" <- starts with how to use tcl in scripts [06:59] Camarade_Tux: that's Advanced material, you know! [07:04] alienBOB: seems there are some bits in .local... thanks for the ti. [07:04] *tip [07:05] adaptr: ;-) [07:06] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:08] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.199.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:12] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:12] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.89.123) joined ##slackware. [07:12] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:13] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:15] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.197.105) joined ##slackware. [07:17] shell scripting question: in a conditional, how would you test if the output of a command (on stdout) is empty? I've been using "command | grep . -q" but that feels a bit hacky, any other solution? [07:17] -z ? [07:17] Camarade_Tux: like... "`command`" = ""? [07:18] try [ -z "$(command)" ] && (empty) [07:18] append space and test for space, or any other character [07:18] fallen: backticks are deprecated [07:18] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] *sigh* [07:18] try [ -z "$(command 2>/dev/null)" ] && (empty) [07:19] optionally [07:19] try [ -n "$(command 2>/dev/null)" ] && (not empty) [07:20] good: test -z "$(git stash list)" && ... [07:20] =) [07:20] This is getting frustrating. Slackware has been crashing over night *constantly*. It never crashes the same way. Sometimes X dies (sometimes it's nepomukservices, sometimes it's KNotify, sometimes it's some other random thing). Sometimes I just get a bunch of graphical artifacts all over the screen and have to reboot. Sometimes it just freezes and I have to reboot. [07:20] thanks =) [07:20] np [07:20] vede: hardware problems? [07:20] gm152 (~gm@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:20] that was my thought [07:20] Camarade_Tux, it only started a few days ago. [07:20] gfx card having a hissyfit [07:20] And I haven't had any hardware changes. [07:21] heat issue? [07:21] vede: the only times ive dealt with graphical artefacts and related crashes its been a dead gfx card [07:21] or a heat issue and card not getting cooled [07:21] mostly ATI cards under windows but the principle is the same [07:22] mine was an nvidia card under windows: the heatsink had collected so much dust the fan couldn't turn anymore =) [07:22] fingers crossed... entering kde4.4 for the first time [07:22] vede: tried to stress your computer a bit outside of X? [07:22] vede: also, checked the output of "sensors"? [07:23] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:24] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:24] What would be an "okay" output for that? [07:24] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:24] guess its time to try fixing Akonadi and nepomuk so that they *work* [07:24] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:24] depends on your hardware but certainly not 60°C at idle [07:24] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-20.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:25] Zordrak: easy :P [07:25] The average temperature is ~36 C. [07:25] pprkut: would be easier if the akonadi status window didnt disappear while im trying to read it.. [07:26] for what sensor? [07:26] and what graphic card and which driver for it? [07:26] also: laptop? [07:26] Zordrak: go to akonadi's systemsettings module, you can look at it there again [07:27] Zordrak: running kde as root? ;) [07:27] pprkut: ptchaw [07:27] :D [07:27] pprkut: also wondering if the panel is meant to disappear when going to grid view [07:28] Camarade_Tux, it gave me my CPU temps, and I have an nvidia 9800 GT, and no, not a laptop. [07:28] Zordrak: I suppose yes, since it also disappears for present windows [07:28] The_Apprentice (~The_Appre@cpc2-chwo1-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:28] pprkut: hmm.. doesnt look as good. disappeared for present in 4.3 iirc, but not for grid [07:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:29] Zordrak: if the status message for akonadi disappeared, and you ar enot trying to run it as root, it should "just work" (tm) [07:29] pprkut: does akonadi have its own SS module or is it part of nepomuk/strigi? [07:29] own [07:29] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [07:29] pprkut: no, a nepomuk message popped up after a minute to say.. sorry failed [07:30] vede: the nvidia-settings utility will give you your gpu temps when you're inside of X [07:30] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:30] It's 52 C right now. [07:30] vede: when something crashes, you might also want to read the end of the output of "dmesg", might tell you a few things [07:30] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:30] vede: not very hot [07:31] and you could test your ram too [07:31] Zordrak: for akonadi?? [07:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [07:31] no nepomuk [07:31] bah [07:31] pprkut: where the hell is the akonadi module :/ [07:32] Zordrak: advanced user settings -> akonadi configuration (at least in 4.3) [07:32] Camarade_Tux, how? [07:32] not there in 4.4 [07:34] Zordrak: do you have that file: usr/lib64/kde4/kcm_akonadi.so ? [07:35] pprkut: got the 2nd error back: "Nepomuk Indexing Disabled - Akonadi Agent" -- "Nepomuk is not running" [07:35] well, that means nepomuk isn't running, akonadi seems to be just fine [07:36] kcm_akonadi{,_resources,_server,contact_actions}.so [07:37] pprkut: fyi i worked out why the panel disappears in grid... grid now does a per-desktop present at the same time [07:38] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:38] ah, ok [07:39] Zordrak: akonadictl status, will tell you if it's running or not [07:39] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-115.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] pprkut: further to previous you can turn off the per-vdesk present and panel sthays where it is [07:40] cool [07:40] control and server running, searc support not available [07:40] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:40] search is through nepomuk, so expected if nepomuk isn't running [07:41] *nod* but i dont see how akonadi is running if it bitches that its broken at start.... need to find the control for it [07:41] got it from KLaunch [07:42] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-130-177.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:42] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Zordrak: iirc, you will only see that popup on first start [07:42] at least I never saw it again once it disappeared :) [07:43] Zordrak: http://ossz.blogspot.com/2009/05/nepomuk-strigi-resolving-mystry.html [07:43] bit dated, but should still be valid [07:43] hmm "MySQL server log contains errors" "Nepomuk search service not registered at D-Bus" [07:43] will look, ta [07:43] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-118-253.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:45] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-115.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:45] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [07:45] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: Changing host [07:45] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:47] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. 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[07:57] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:00] pprkut: after reboot, akonadi was not running [08:01] Zordrak: normal as well [08:01] akonadi isn't running if it isn't used [08:01] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:01] now im really confused. [08:02] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Thats nothing new [08:02] -same issue persists.. after starting akonadi and nepomuk, nepomuk dies [08:02] further investigation required methinks [08:02] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-216-195.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:06] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-210-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:06] hi guys :-) [08:06] valdes (valdes@186.104.255.125) joined ##slackware. [08:07] hola buenos dias [08:07] good morning [08:07] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-254-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:08] vede, there is also nvclock on slackbuilds.org, it can show gpu temp and overclock it too [08:08] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [08:09] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:10] someone who knows the distribution bactrack [08:10] valdes: not supported in here [08:10] never heard about it [08:10] it's a forensics live CD [08:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:11] Camerade_Tux: never heard of backtrack? well now [08:12] woo.. reproducible segfault in 4.4 [08:12] wohoo indeed [08:12] time to ping alien [08:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [08:12] vede: memtest should do it (sorry for the delay) [08:12] forgiveness of the operating system backtrace 3 [08:12] alisonken1noc: I had ;-) [08:13] Yeah, I did some googling and found it. [08:13] valdes: we don't want to talk about it here =) [08:13] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:13] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [08:13] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [08:13] Now I gotta go. [08:13] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-254-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:13] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-210-253.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:13] valdes (valdes@186.104.255.125) left irc: Quit: Ships are safe in harbor, but they were never meant to stay there. [08:13] Thanks for the help, guys. (I like that there's a help channel that actually *helps*. The Ubuntu channel is so crowded it's useless.) [08:13] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:14] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:14] vede (~joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] "Nepomuk was not able to find the configured database backend 'sesame2'. Ekisting data can thus not be accessed. For data security reasons Nepomuk will be disabled until the situation has been resolved manually." [08:14] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:16] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [08:20] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] why do the log files appear under /var/adm aswell as /var/log? [08:22] xover: adm is a symlink to log [08:22] xover, ls -l /var/adm [08:22] ls -l /var : adm -> log/ [08:22] compatibility reasons [08:23] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:23] same way as ls -l /usr/share/man [08:23] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:24] now i feel foolish [08:24] this is what chronic neck ache does your concentration [08:24] Zordrak: stale config file somewhere [08:25] can gnu screen use colors? [08:25] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] pprkut: aye.. looking at it now... is much happier after a kill of everything related to akonadi in .kde/share [08:26] Zordrak: you have to switch to the virtuoso backend. I thought nepomuk would do that automatically though :/ [08:26] going to do the same for akonadi and nepomuk in .local [08:27] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-254-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-28-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:28] thankfully i never used these before so its not a recovery situation just a reset [08:28] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.199.140) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:33] akSeya (~bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-cjnzhdpwhbcqaosv) left irc: Quit: Page closed [08:34] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:34] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:37] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] pprkut: a complete cleanout seems to have sorted everything except a mysqldb error that seems to be a known bug and has a working workaround [08:43] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:52] does your screen support colour when doing "ls"? [08:53] i mean, "screen". [08:54] yes [08:54] yes [08:54] I have to call it as "ls --color=auto" though [08:55] LS_OPTIONS=' -F -b -T 0 --color=auto ' <-- in default profile helps [08:56] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) joined ##slackware. [08:56] I have that here but it doesn't seem to be kept when in screen [08:56] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.69.50) joined ##slackware. [08:56] just do source /etc/profile after running screen, or put that into your .bashrc file [08:56] that should do the job [08:58] possibly in .screenrc as well [08:59] or in /etc/screenrc for global [08:59] screen doesnt have such options [09:00] I don't use screen enough to really bother ;-) [09:00] LS_OPTIONS is a variable to hold options for ls, it's not a screen command [09:00] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [09:01] it doesnt work that way. just tried it [09:03] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [09:03] interesting [09:03] I guess using .bashrc is ok, because I get colors in my screen session [09:04] Anyone compiled glibc before ? I'm getting this really annoying error saying a constant UCHAR_MAX is undefined during compile. Funny thing is that this is defined in limits.h which is part of glibc. I'm using the glibc source package along with all patch files directly from a slackware mirror so I'm having a hard time seeing why I should be getting this error [09:04] what about: screen -s -bash? [09:05] starts bash as a login shell [09:05] replacing bash with zsh doesn't work as well however [09:05] pseudonymous: any special reason for trying to accomplish this task? [09:05] i mean, IMO if you compile glibc there is no reason to use a distribution.. [09:07] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:07] and it's quite risky [09:07] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [09:07] pprkut: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/02/10/akonadi-mysql-errors/ [09:09] sahk0: yup. Slackware doesn't come multilib enabled by default and I have some 32bit apps I want to run. I could just use alienBoB's packages straight away, but if I do, I'm forever dependent on him compiling the latest versions of gcc and glibc whenever I try and update my system. So I'm trying to build the packages myself using his build-scripts [09:10] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Well.. shouldn't be too risky. Obviously, if things break I'm done for :P But the idea of the mirrors holding the source, build-scripts and associated files and patches should be that I can attempt a re-compile with little effort. Right ? [09:12] i think so too [09:13] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Action: InspectorCluseau I run 32 bit Slack in VBox [09:15] usus12jari (~ashe@114.56.129.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:16] Action: higuita have a 32bit slackware chroot, as its cleanner and easier to check what apps still need 32bit [09:16] pseudonymous: I don't see the problem [09:16] Zordrak: hah, that's why I have akonadi configured to use an external server ;) [09:16] InspectorCluseau: sure, that's an option. But most 64bit distros out there prep the system as multilib meaning you can execute 64bit and 32bit binaries as well as compile 32/64 binaries inside the same distro, which is exactly what I want. I don't want to run a VM to do what I should be able to do inside my Linux install anyway. Seems silly :) [09:16] Updates to gcc and glibc are not often. And for an official release, there will never be any updates to glibc/gcc unless they fix a critical security hole [09:17] pprkut: maybe i will one day, if i find it to be useful.. for the moment its nothing more than a curiosity to me [09:18] Zordrak: hehe. For me it was an easy decision. I already use mysql for other stuff, so why not reuse those resources [09:18] alienBOB: still. It would be something I could use only as long as you'd care to update it. I'd feel more comfortable knowing that even if you stopped updating those packages on your site, I could use the build-scripts to roll my own. I must be doing something wrong though as I can't build it using your scripts, even the patch you supplied for glibc (force unwind check) wouldn't apply the first hunk for some reason. [09:19] Well then - are you trying to build a multilib glibc on a pure-64bit Slackware? [09:20] I followed your instructions to build gcc first, then I'm attempting to build bootstrapped glibc. [09:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:22] gbowden (~gbowden@162.Red-83-37-237.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] alienBOB: at that point, I always get stuck at http://pastebin.org/89499 .. Seems it's when building malloc. [09:22] If you want to follow the "from scratch" instructions and fail, I can not help you. Remember that if you install my multilib packages first, then compiling updated versions is a breeze. [09:22] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [09:23] alienBOB: Hmm, ok. But that leads me back to square one dependency-wise. Oh well [09:24] I don't see how [09:24] You install my packages, _then_ use the sources to rebuild those packages yourself [09:27] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:27] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[09:34] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [09:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:35] wow, what a speech [09:35] zux (~zux@212.93.100.166) joined ##slackware. [09:35] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.41) joined ##slackware. [09:35] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [09:35] the greatest thing about slackware, is if you don't like something you can fix it [09:35] and if you like your fix you can share it [09:35] Action: Zordrak wonders what happens if you "Remove the desktop activity 'plasma workspace'" ;) [09:36] josteint (~josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [09:36] LorD-VipsS (~vipss@151.56.150.205) joined ##slackware. [09:36] LorD-VipsS (~vipss@151.56.150.205) left irc: Client Quit [09:36] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.199.140) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:37] hi. is it possible with grep or egrep to search for multiple lines? e.g. looking for a line which has AAAA, and the next line after BBBB. tried egrep '^AAAA\nBBBB', but does not seem to work [09:37] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-216-195.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:37] Skywise: well, yea. Or you can fail horribly because in reality building certain things is pretty complex ;) -- But yea, in general I agree [09:37] egrep 'string1|string2' file [09:37] theres more to be learned from failure then success [09:38] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:38] Skywise: don't mess with stuff beyond your level of expertise ? ;) [09:38] if you don't how will you learn it [09:38] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:38] ardya: yes, but that line can be many lines after AAAA [09:39] ardya: BBBB must be the very next line after AAAA [09:39] you can change the number of lines grep reports after a find [09:39] you can say n lines before or after or both [09:40] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Skywise: hmm... ok. look for AAAA and display the next line also. with that check the two lines again for a match. like that? [09:40] *shrug* GREAT THING THEM THAR MAN PAGES josteint [09:40] sure, just pipe the output into grep and look for your 2nd term [09:40] josteint: grep -A1 aaaa whatever | grep bbbb [09:40] Skywise: ok. i follow [09:40] adaptr: i see [09:41] thanks guys. this solves the problem [09:41] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:41] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [09:42] pseudonymous: indeed yu are missing the point [09:43] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:43] Once you have multilib gcc/glibc installed, building upgrades is easy. NO need to follow the bootstrapping procedure every time. [09:44] Just find the difference between Pat's official non-multilib SlackBuilds and apply that diff to the multlib version of the {gcc,glibc} SlackBuild script [09:45] This is how I built the multilib glibc/gcc packages for -current when Pat upgraded those [09:45] Thanks, I'll try at some later point then :) As it is, I guess it's time to get ready for school [09:46] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:50] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:50] e01 (~Enzo_01@main.shu-bg.net) left irc: [09:50] technopolic (technopol@95.43.7.237) left ##slackware. [09:51] Action: Zordrak is now fiddling with his new kde4.4 and messing around with 9 different desktop "activities" rather than doing anything useful or productive [09:52] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429118.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:52] zux (~zux@212.93.100.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:52] you'd have to do it sooner or later, best to get it out of the way [09:53] allend (~allend@CPE-121-219-23-232.lnse1.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:54] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-214.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:56] metrofox (metrofox@ppp-28-250.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [09:58] technopolic (~technopol@95.43.7.237) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Zordrak: 4.4 is a nice time-waster. But indeed as oneforall said in #kde - the lack of polkit is also causing the time/date applet not to accept any changes in date or time [09:58] heh [09:58] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [09:58] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [09:58] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:00] did a bunch of gnome people quit and start working on kde? [10:00] alienBOB: good job spacetime is relatively stable in this part of the universe.. i dont need to change it :) [10:00] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:00] theyre looking more like the mozilla foundation than kde [10:00] technopolic (technopol@95.43.7.237) left ##slackware. [10:01] with a kode of konduct and everything [10:01] i like my software engineered by weird, rude recluses [10:02] GooseYArd: then I only need to be a better/more productive coder for you to like me :P [10:02] seriously thats why the kernel is good [10:03] they weed out all the 'tards [10:03] yeah, i think it takes aspergers to write tight code [10:03] LorD-VipsS (~vipss@151.56.150.205) joined ##slackware. [10:03] kde and gnome, its like they want to holds hands and sing kumbaya around the fire [10:03] no idea is too stupid! [10:04] pseudonymous: hah thats how I hire developers [10:04] aww man i need a better graphics card [10:04] everyone is a champion [10:04] im willing to accomodate a lot of weirdness if somebody can produce [10:04] i want to get the globe activity rotating smoothly :) [10:05] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:05] speaking of that if anybody lives near DC and is looking for work let me know [10:05] this shit's infectious... i want more desktop activities! [10:05] you hiring snow shovelers? [10:06] those too [10:06] lol [10:06] i cant believe i paid the little fuckers down the block 50$ to do my driveway and three days later im going to need them again [10:06] GooseYArd: lazy sod [10:06] snow shoveling is for hired laborers [10:07] winter ain't over yet [10:07] is your drive on a slope? [10:07] no but we've now got about 36" of snow [10:07] walk :) [10:08] technopolic (~technopol@95.43.7.237) joined ##slackware. [10:08] what? [10:08] did I stutter? [10:08] alienBOB: oh, btw. Just to clarify. I'm just a stubborn person, I'm not questioning the quality of your work in any way and I'm very appreciative of the guide as well as accompanying scripts that you wrote to make it all work :) I guess people don't get thanked for their work often enough and I don't want to come off as an arse [10:09] are you one of those self righteous health douchebags? [10:09] GooseYArd: no.. im one of those dont spend $50 a week on paying some kids to clearc your driveway douchebags [10:09] GooseYArd: alternative, try to see if it's legal to acquire and use a monster truck. There you go :) [10:09] well you have to consider what your time is worth [10:09] i would of paid 'em $10 [10:10] if it takes me two hours to shovel the driveway, hiring kids pays for itself the first time I do it [10:10] the economics are simple [10:10] i'd take a look at the forecast before getting it cleared [10:11] looks like more snow on sunday [10:11] hah nice [10:11] i feel like im living in buffalo [10:12] good thing the heavy snow fell north of the city this time [10:12] get one of those machines that look like a rototiller and it eats the snow and shoots it off to the side [10:12] snow blower [10:12] Pig_Pen: funny you mention that [10:12] i was going to get one after the big snow in december, but theyve been hard to find around here [10:12] he wouldn't of needed one except for maybe a couple of times in the past decade [10:12] yeah thats the sucky part, if i buy one, it wont snow again like this for 12 years [10:13] so ive been considering getting a Bobcat instead, so I can use it for other things even if it doesnt snow [10:13] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:13] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6171.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] sod that.. get a Bowler Wildcat and drive over it :) [10:13] i know they have snow blower attachements for 4x4s [10:14] some riding mowers too [10:14] well the driving part is not a problem, i have to keep things cleared for the wife and kiddies to walk over [10:14] and the pedestrians [10:14] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:14] you could get by with a plow on the 4x4 [10:14] i don't think many 4x4s have a pto [10:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:15] i thought about that but itd be a pain in the ass to do driveways with [10:15] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-178.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:15] it would be cool if we had another ice age, that ought to stick it in those global warming liberals craw [10:15] i've been looking at area roads with the traffic cameras [10:16] everything is snow covered big time [10:16] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:16] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:16] http://www.bobcat.com/attachments/snow_blower [10:16] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:16] sky i think i asked where you live but i cant remember [10:17] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:17] just on the other side of the beltway [10:17] oh ok [10:17] thats a lot of gear for a drive way [10:17] how configure pam on slackware to authentication in vmware server? [10:17] there's a 48" blower that'd be ideal [10:17] Skywise: yeah, we're catching what left you behind now [10:18] you're gonna get more then we did [10:18] Skywise: probably [10:18] Skywise: they're talking 13" by tomorrow [10:18] i'm hearing 2" by the mountains [10:19] PsYkHe: slackware does not have PAM out of the box [10:19] er 2' [10:19] PsYkHe: if you want PAM you need to re-compile a lot of packages [10:19] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: \o\ /o/ \o/ [10:19] macavity I already install... [10:19] I want configure... [10:20] to vmware.... [10:20] did you recompile glibc and all the others to use PAM? [10:20] why use pam/ [10:20] I compiled pam, by ./configure && make && make install... [10:21] Skywise, vmware server 2.0.2 [10:21] i use sasl with ldap, there couldn't be anything simpler [10:21] PsYkHe: if you dont re-compile all the other packages that needs to be PAM-aware, then simply installing PAM gets you nowhere [10:22] PsYkHe: vmware uses glibc to interact with the host system, if glibc is not PAM enabled, then nothing happens [10:23] you should prolly choose a pam enabled distro [10:23] PsYkHe: you should ask antiwire (he comes here almost every day) which other packages you need to recompile, or seach google [10:23] I read, any sites, to install pam away compile and configure pam.d [10:23] thats only one step [10:23] there are many more, and thats your problem [10:24] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:24] and those instructions were most likely for systems that are PAM prepared [10:24] slackware has a history of disliking PAM [10:24] PsYkHe: save yourself the effort. go with a distro that's supported by vmware. [10:24] I like slackware.... [10:24] I try with him...:) [10:24] yes, i prefer it too [10:24] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:24] that is also why not many users here knows very much about it [10:24] however that means you get to do it mostly on your own [10:24] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:25] (me included.. i only know what antiwire told me) [10:25] PsYkHe: liking slackware doesn't change the fact that it's a major pita to redo slackware with pam. [10:25] wow [10:25] ptz. [10:26] bbq [10:26] i get a not working system :) [10:26] and want use him and make work vmware server , fine fine. [10:26] after upgrading to new kernel, just now [10:26] yet, I go make. [10:26] PsYkHe: 'it', not 'him' [10:26] after rebuting i have only 99 99 99 99.... [10:26] ananke, thznk, my english very bad, sorry. [10:26] is this normal? [10:26] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@213.163.84.215) joined ##slackware. [10:27] no [10:27] e01: you forgot to run lilo [10:27] right [10:27] PsYkHe: nothing to be sorry about. hope you'll learn more :) [10:27] do i set dns name in /etc/resolv.conf or can i do it in /etc/HOSTNAME? [10:27] use your install cd and boot your root paritition [10:27] when you get the system running run lilo [10:27] macavity, no, i am not forgoting, i was editing fstab and lilo.conf and then runing lilo [10:27] xover: /etc/resolv.conf is for dns servers, search order, etc. it's not for setting your own local hostname [10:28] ananke, certainly. [10:28] e01: ah, -current? [10:28] macavity, yes [10:28] e01: mkinitrd? [10:28] any idea how to fix? [10:28] e01: that is a major pita [10:28] allend, now i haven`t made mkinitrd [10:28] e01: short version: get something with a new kernel to boot off.. the device names changes.. that is why lilo is fucked up [10:29] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@213.163.84.215) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:29] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:30] e01: like, use your DVD to boot into the system (it will bitch at the fstab change, so you fix that first and reboot with the DVD again), then download the usbimg2disk.sh and make a bootable usb thumdrive from current, boot into your system, fix fstab and lilo.conf, run lilo [10:30] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:30] e01: the problem probably was that you forgot to change the boot = targe [10:31] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@213.163.84.215) joined ##slackware. [10:31] biker_rat (~paul@pool-98-116-132-65.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] this has cought a lot of people with their pants down [10:31] don't compile with your pants down people [10:32] its a real predicament.. before the device names changes, lilo craps out if you change them [10:32] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [10:32] thats why i always keep the old image around [10:32] and make a new lilo entry for a new kernel [10:32] so you pretty much need to have booted the new kernel before you can update lilo.. catch-22 [10:32] that way if it bonks its easy to go back [10:32] Skywise: in this case it wont do you any good [10:33] can't you just do boot options at the lilo menu? [10:33] this is all an elaborate device for teaching youngsters the dangers of compulsive behavior [10:33] or not to use -current on a production system [10:33] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:33] Anyone else having permissions trouble with slackware64-current and 2.6.33-rc7? [10:33] Skywise: from the reports i get (ok, paul424 is not too reliable) that also bails out [10:33] like most of these people have production [10:34] lol [10:34] screenshot production [10:34] damn [10:34] well the system they rely on [10:34] e01: do you have a thumbdrive? [10:34] i understand why i have problems [10:34] ehehe [10:34] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) joined ##slackware. [10:34] i was installed mbr in the flashdrive :( [10:34] thats the first step to recovering [10:34] e01: eg, a small worthless 64MB usb thingie in some drawer in the attic? [10:34] doh [10:34] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ebfotpdzgvlrexmc) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:35] e01: lol.. that is why lilo didnt bitch at you [10:35] you know the funny thing though, i think most of the good stuff i learned came from my propensity for fucking up unix computers [10:35] e01: because sda *was* pressent [10:35] e01: ... just not the sda you would like it to be ;-) [10:36] GooseYArd: most the good stuff i learned came from hammering my head against LFS untill i finally got it :P [10:36] whats lfs [10:36] Linux From Scratch [10:36] oh neat [10:37] My home directory wants to belong to root for some mystifying reason. [10:37] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@213.163.84.215) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:37] a step by step book on how you compile your own distro from scratch [10:37] i feel like a schmuck for just reading the manuals [10:37] don't login as root [10:37] yep ive looked at that text a bit, i really like the idea [10:37] a distro is only a kernel with a set of packages [10:38] once you get a shell and a compiler going, you can do anything else you want [10:38] lfs is essentially what i do for a living these days [10:38] Skywise: that is an understatement [10:39] its what it boils down too, but no you won't get it done before breakfast [10:39] I spent the last 6 hours making radeon kms work, and even got to play some sauerbraten, but the installation is not usable if I have to login as root to use X because all the X configuration files belong to root. [10:39] Someone's going to have "chown night"! [10:40] Has antone else rum into this? [10:40] run [10:41] well, i do believe there are ways to install software per user or for the whole system [10:41] no, that is not what it boils down to.. you need at the very minimum glibc, coreutils, binutils, awk, sed, perl and all the stuff i forgot :P [10:41] thats all with gcc [10:41] and you snuck perl in there [10:41] biker_rat: of course they have to be root - otherwise the specific ones that change permissions on X for your login on other stuff won't work [10:41] macavity: if you want to do it neatly. My first "distro" was a kernel binary and a static version of busybox :) [10:41] biker_rat: chown -R biker_rat:users /home/biker_rat [10:42] unless it's your home direcroty for non-root user [10:42] TheGroove: that wont get you anywhere without another system with a cross compiler :P [10:42] When I create a new user, the new home directory is writable, but soon it belongs to root. [10:42] True, I did have to use a crosscompiler. [10:42] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:43] TheGroove: in my book that only qualifies as "an interactable environement" (like, say windows ;-) [10:44] biker_rat: that sounds really really strange [10:44] biker_rat: how are you creating a new user? [10:44] biker_rat: can you pinpoint at what point in time the chmod happens? also, you arent running btrfs or some other exotic fs on /home are you? [10:44] josteint (~josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:44] and what version of slackware are you using? [10:45] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:45] Well i suppose if it was a problem with current a lot of people would have chimed in. I am using ext4. I forgot to mount in noatime, but went back & did it later. [10:46] GooseYArd (GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware. [10:46] no, i suspect the majority run x as root when they shouldn't [10:46] I added myself to group wheel because in some distros I can't use su without being in wheel. [10:46] can anybody do me a favour? i'm ssh'ed to another box inside screen and when I run "top" i get 'screen.linux': unknown terminal type. please confirm. [10:46] i would try removing the user, cleaning up /home and then trying to install again [10:47] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.72.254) joined ##slackware. [10:47] this is the bug resolution (from 2005!): http://osdir.com/ml/gnu.screen.user/2005-10/msg00035.html [10:47] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:47] And I am using custom compiled kernel. Anyone know what I20 does? It was the only thing I left out iwas dubious about. [10:48] slava_dp: ssh into a 13 machine, then run screen, then run top? Works here. [10:48] thats what the help button and documentation is for [10:48] slava_dp: what server? [10:48] theblackbox, run screen, ssh to a remote box, run top. [10:48] TheGroove, ^^ [10:48] (swear) [10:48] alisonken1home, slackware 13.0 [10:49] Hm, works as well but the box I'm sshing to isn't 13. [10:49] now i have 'GRUB loading.' [10:49] error file not found [10:49] Action: theblackbox frantically command lines his way into trouble [10:49] wow, did you make a wrong turn [10:49] how did grub get on there [10:49] if this is some joke, i can`t understand it :( [10:49] TheGroove, but the host box is 13, right? [10:49] Yes [10:49] Well, -current [10:50] slava_dp: re machine a slackware box? [10:50] alisonken1home, yes, remote is a slackware 12.2 box, but it shouldn't matter. the host sets the TERM variable. [10:50] and the host is slack 13. [10:51] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] I have a slackware-current box with screen running, ssh into another slackware box and it was fine [10:51] I also ssh into the work server (debian based) and it works fine as well [10:51] -current might have been updated for this... there's this slight chance [10:51] ananke: I think you will find it us [10:51] Hey could you recap e01's problem? I came in late. [10:52] alisonken1home, can you please run "echo $TERM" on the remote? [10:52] screem [10:52] screen [10:52] aha. gotcha. -current got updated for this. [10:52] thanks [10:52] np [10:53] NaCl: you never heard back from David Zeuthen regarding your polkit patch? [10:53] :) [10:53] i'm going to use a woraround in .bashrc. [10:53] i fix it [10:53] batery of my netbook is falling, after login on slack i will tell the dilemas ;) [10:53] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.41) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [10:53] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:54] allend (~allend@CPE-121-219-23-232.lnse1.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:55] Hello eveyone :) [10:55] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] When I chowned home , I didn't make the group users. I will see if that suggestion makes X more users friendly. [10:56] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. 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[11:00] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:00] theres only one liiitle bug/feature in 4.4.0 thats confusing me and i cant track it down.. occasionally some actions cause the workspace to change.. eg snapping a window to a side or top might do it.. a second ago it was caused by krunner after i typed something in [11:00] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [11:01] Zordrak: I have that in 4.3 as well [11:03] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [11:03] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:04] pprkut: *nod* bug then? definitely have "switch desktop on edge" off [11:07] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:08] Zordrak: definitely, besides it does even switch desktops when I'm not even close to an edge [11:08] just wish i could work out how to reproduce it... its only occasional [11:08] although krunner did segfault shortly after [11:09] kget's save as window triggers it quite good, but couldn't reproduce it yet [11:09] but then the previous ones were without krunner [11:09] pah [11:09] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [11:09] I have also another bug I try to reproduce for *months* [11:10] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212935 [11:10] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [11:10] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [11:10] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [11:11] hmm [11:11] TClayton (~tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:14] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:14] prhg (~root@a88-114-41-178.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. 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[11:38] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC311F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:38] pandora's box, its a puzzle game i liked a lot, but i was wonder if there was anything like out now [11:40] how old is it? [11:40] its from 99 [11:40] gbowden (gbowden@162.Red-83-37-237.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:41] it has 400 puzzles [11:45] shadowx (~7350@core.astika.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:46] the two puzzle games i got addicted to are older than dirt [11:46] klotzky and one for the NES called "Fire n Ice" [11:46] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:48] i loved zelda on the nes [11:48] haven't played the newer ones, but i hear they're not as good anyway [11:49] there are a few ive liked a lot [11:49] the snes zelda was a lot of fun [11:49] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Quit: 2.6.32.8 [11:49] then Ocarina of Time and Windwaker were really fun [11:50] Twilight Princess was a lot of fun too [11:50] myst was ok, but a little too obscure at times [11:50] yeah i feel the same way- i didnt think the guys who made the puzzles were that clever [11:51] yea [11:51] i was more curious about looking around then the story [11:51] they got worse as they went on [11:51] riven was annoying [11:52] yeah, i didn't realize i had won when it was finished [11:52] yeah [11:52] i think i used a cheat guide on that [11:52] it was more of a grind [11:53] did you play metroid on the nes? [11:53] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.72.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:53] no, but i think i played it in the arcade [11:54] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [11:54] that was one of my favorite kind of weird mystery/puzzle action games [11:55] i like playing diablo II until it got too complicated [11:55] i got exhausted playing that, i did like it a lot though [11:55] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:55] lots of spells and equipment and pack animals [11:55] yah [11:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [11:56] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [11:56] it hooks into your packrat brain center [11:56] so seriously [11:56] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:56] all the little piles of gold were kind of, how to desribe it [11:56] it activated my ocd [11:56] theres a point that every kill you had to drop something [11:56] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:56] crudo|house (~kayaman@189.70.0.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:56] but i wanna sell it [11:57] and having to rearrange things so you had space [11:57] a buddy of mine sent me a new clone of that [11:57] Torchlight [11:57] i had a hack to get it to run at 1600x1200, it looked great [11:58] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:58] but its too hard to get back into [11:58] i think if i took my chars out now, i'd butcher them [12:00] [Bain] (~bain@198.163.150.11) joined ##slackware. [12:02] pupiteee (~p@109.93.232.49) joined ##slackware. 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[12:22] running slack13 64bit , downloaded adobe flash tarball, and placed it in all the necessary dirs, after that didn't work, used the Slackbuild package, which ran succesfully, the libflashplayer.so is in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins & /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/plugins (with all the same permissions as the other plugin files) such as libnullplugin.so - not showing up when i point the url to about:plugins , any suggestions? [12:26] confusid (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:27] put the library at /home/user/.mozilla/plugins. For me works [12:28] ^ that should work for anyone. [12:28] I'd have to create that directory, I take it that is what you did ? [12:28] xorsurgeon: you are restartign firefox after each installation test? [12:28] ardya : yes. [12:28] whats 'file libflashplayer.so' say? [12:28] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:29] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: [12:29] ardya : libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (Sdynamically linked, stripped [12:29] voila. [12:29] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: \o\ /o/ \o/ [12:30] mikl0 (~User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:30] thats why it doesnt work [12:30] need ELF 64 - bit I take it ? [12:30] you're running a 64 bit OS [12:31] zaltekk (zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left ##slackware. [12:31] thanks, I'll try taking a look again at re-downloading, I was under the impression the Slackbuild package, downloaded the 64 bit version. [12:31] libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz [12:32] I dont know, but I wasn't aware there was a 64 bit version of flash plugin available for linux [12:33] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:34] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [12:35] been under testing for several months now [12:35] testing as in "Adobe test labs" [12:36] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:37] alisonken1home: is it offered for download? [12:37] of course [12:37] I wasnt aware [12:37] not a slackware package, but can be installed relatively painless [12:37] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:37] you have to search for it [12:38] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/install-flash-player-under-slackware-13-x64-770337/ [12:39] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:39] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:39] Was following AlienB's response, under the impression the slackbuild script would auto-download the 64 bit verison, maybe I was under the wrong impression? peprhaps I should be downloaded the alpha 64 bit version from Adobe ? * can you supply parameters/arguments to the slackbuild script to use a predownloaded compressed tarball ? [12:39] downloading* [12:41] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.12.78) joined ##slackware. [12:42] is there a way to irc channels from CLI? [12:43] newbie2010: several ways [12:43] newbie2010: irssi [12:43] irssi [12:43] thanks [12:43] and many other rome-oriented paths [12:43] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:45] can I -under slackware- swap between tty(S)? So that I'm KDE on one end and CLI on the other. [12:45] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:46] nope.. why would you? open a terminal under KDE [12:47] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:47] being kicked many times for using root into the room VS being not able to run terminals while normal user [12:47] resolved the issue by downloading : libflashplayer-10.0.42.34.linux-x86_64.so.tar from adobe website, gunzip'd and untarred it, placed it in /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins (ran a file: lib*.so - shows up at the ELF 64 bit version), restarted firefox, voila. appreciate the heads up ardya [12:47] ?? [12:47] newbie2010: are youlogged into X as root? [12:48] xorsurgeon: welcome [12:48] xorsurgeon, didn't read your question... someone just walked me through those steps couple of days ago [12:49] newbie2010: in any case ctrl-alt-F# will drop you into console [12:49] [Bain] (~bain@198.163.150.11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:49] not now ardya [12:49] eh? [12:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.195.118) joined ##slackware. [12:49] F7 is for xwindows, ctrl-alt-bksp kills xwindows i think [12:49] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.12.78) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:51] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [12:51] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.12.78) joined ##slackware. [12:51] back to life ... it droped me for real hehehe [12:51] what did [12:52] but how to come back without lossing the current startx session? [12:52] ctrl alt F1 [12:52] ctrl-alt-F7 [12:52] mikio already mentioned that. ctrl+alt+f7 [12:52] isBEKaml: after he'd left :) [12:52] lol [12:52] sorry slow on the draw! [12:52] :) [12:53] is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice [12:53] wow [12:53] everyday i believe linux is great [12:53] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [12:53] newbie2010: you didnt answer my initial question, are you logged into X as root? [12:53] newbie2010: you're trying slackware as your first foray into linux? [12:53] i did ardya [12:54] no i'm normal user [12:54] dont run X as root. [12:54] problem solved. [12:54] that is why i can not run terminals [12:54] huh? [12:54] what? [12:54] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-227-84.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:54] when i run terminal the curser stucks and never been able to type anything [12:55] i've tried terminal & same result [12:55] yes isBEKaml [12:55] something inside me for Slackware [12:56] I don't know what is the but I know I'm right [12:56] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [12:56] ÿI don't know what is that* but I know I'm right [12:56] newbie2010: It's nice that you're into slack as your first linux os, but I suggest you try reading slackbook and run through the motions. :) [12:56] you need to troubleshoot that, and fix it, instead of trying to work around it [12:57] newbie2010: about your terminal issue, it might point to hardware issues. as ardya already said, you'll have to troubleshoot it yourself. [12:57] it runs fine when i'm root [12:58] it's previliges thing i guess [12:58] doesnt change the fact that you dont use X as root, and you need to troubleshoot, and fix for user [12:58] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:58] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:59] no it dosen't dispite it dose the fact it's not a hardware issue [12:59] look in /varlog/packages for xauth [12:59] newbie2010, did u read ur emails? it has helpful information too [13:00] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:00] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:01] i think it is a pebkac problem [13:01] noep ... i don't know how to read emails on linux if other than browsing to my yahoo [13:01] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:01] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [13:01] look in /var/log/packages for xauth [13:01] newbie2010, no when u log in it says u have mail. [13:01] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:01] login to your slack machine i mean not ur real email [13:02] i read some time ago asking me to subscrib into the slackware users community but I didn't [13:02] do you see it? [13:02] newbie2010: what exactly happens when you try to open a terminal? [13:03] how i can install laptop bluetooth [13:03] xauth-1.0.3-i486-1 [13:03] newbie2010: and which terminal are you using? [13:03] xterm, eterm, ...: [13:03] ? [13:03] xterm working fine ... it's the only thing i can use [13:03] what else have you tried, and aint working? [13:04] but when type terminal only in the run command area it doesn't work [13:04] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [13:04] is 'terminal' a real command? [13:04] apparently, yes [13:04] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@76.76.104.108) left irc: Changing host [13:04] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [13:04] eterm didn't work [13:05] terminal is afaik the term from gnome or xfce or something. [13:05] ardya: it is a terminal emulator, ugly as hell, yet a term [13:05] Terminal is Xfce's terminal [13:05] was about to say that hehe [13:05] I think he's referring to Xfce's.. [13:05] Just use konsole [13:05] (too slow on "Help -> About") [13:05] Action: eviljames uses konsole [13:06] feh... fallen back a bit.. [13:06] konsol rocks [13:06] /var/log/packages/xfce-4.6.1-i486-5:usr/bin/Terminal [13:06] so what the heck is the difference between all of these? [13:07] features, widget set [13:07] newbie2010: each one uses a different toolkit or are made for different Window Managers [13:07] didier_ (~dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] some advocate on memory footprint [13:08] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:08] toolkit? window managers? ... man I am not sure how much do I have to go through to be where you guys are! [13:08] mostly, you use whatever floats your boat [13:08] newbie2010: toolkits = gtk, qt, etc... graphical interface helpers [13:08] manuals, slackbook. :) [13:09] and lots of googling too! :) [13:09] fallen, text rendering, caching... [13:09] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-190-106.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:09] all counts [13:09] window managers: kde, xfce, ... interface managers, put simple [13:09] newbie2010: the difference is that they all sucks rocks except for urxvt [13:09] didier_ (~dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:09] yeah i'm reading linux unleashed [13:09] Action: GooseYArd ducks [13:09] i wish i had stainless steel bones like the Terminator! [13:09] fallen: Hi fella :D [13:09] gar0t0: :P [13:10] why Pig_Pen? [13:10] newbie2010: what was your issue with adobe ? [13:10] that would be tough [13:10] PigPen: I'd settle for being the stainless steel rat.. :-) [13:11] that would freez your ass off in this weather [13:11] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:11] snowing where you are too? [13:11] no,,,, it's snowing where he is [13:11] i'm into the desert right now [13:11] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:12] kicking some camel ass [13:12] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [13:12] poor perl [13:12] militant1 (~militant@173-81-26-5-pkbg.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [13:12] middle-east or south central asia ? [13:12] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:12] Andes [13:13] does nessus work under slackware? [13:13] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Libya [13:13] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue_Slac@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [13:13] quick question. not sure if it applies to slackware (haven't tested yet) but you folks seem more knowledgable. any idea why it's creating duplicate entries and new ones, every time i insert a usb modem? i mean entries in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules (or wherever the slackware equiv is) [13:13] newbie2010: heh, fix your terminal issues before you worry about nessus [13:14] kosol fixed it [13:14] konsol* [13:14] tell Moammar Kadafi i said hi [13:14] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. 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[13:15] too far from that level, i'm a poor civilian [13:15] Pig_Pen: just goto his next Italian super model conversion [13:15] rich with my slackware 12.1 hehehe [13:16] That probably means you have the single most powerful computer in your country :) [13:16] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:16] hehe, that italian thing he did was funny, Kadafi had all the other leaders out bossed [13:16] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:16] lol TheGroove, thanks for virtual compliment [13:17] where are you from Pig_Pen? [13:17] oklahoma usa [13:17] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Quit: x [13:17] hahaha that is funny [13:18] this is driving me nuts. i don't get why it would make identical entries over and over every time i insert a usb stick [13:18] it is probably hal or dbus going berzerk [13:19] yeah. the only difference in the entries is symlink being to cdrom1, cdrom2, cdrom3, and onward [13:19] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:20] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] means my 3g modem works about one out of 10 boots or inserts [13:22] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:22] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.31) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Action: xsamurai wishes to go back to the days before hal [13:23] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:24] hal needs to die, with Xorg wanting hal just to run makes me think what is the point of continueing to use slackware anymore i might as well stick debian on here some some other flakey distro [13:24] zacharym (mmcc@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [13:24] it's maddening. i REALLY don't get why it just keeps making new entries with a numbered symlink. sigh [13:24] Pig_Pen: hal already died ;-) [13:25] i was sorely disappointed in slackware 13 when i typed in startx and xorg complained that hal was not installed too [13:25] In the movie? [13:25] hal? [13:25] Camarade_Tux: we pulled in a zombie? ;) [13:25] isBEKaml: yup =) [13:25] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [13:25] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: [13:25] Action: isBEKaml frowns [13:25] hal = hardware abstraction layer = buggy invasive pos [13:26] Camarade_Tux: has hal been removed from -current? [13:27] Pig_Pen: iirc it's not making it in X' next release [13:27] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:27] talk about bad apples in our midst. =) [13:27] whew! that good, the less unnecessary dependencies built in to X the better, i will be glad to see hal die a painful death [13:28] Pig_Pen: there's something else instead ;-) [13:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:28] udev is not bad [13:28] dbus is tolerable [13:28] :-) [13:29] well i give up for now. time for work [13:29] I fucking hate dbus =) [13:29] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] zacharym (mmcc@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:29] the card randomly shows as a usb storage drive, a 3g modem, etc... fuckit [13:29] militant1 (~militant@173-81-26-5-pkbg.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) left irc: Quit: yeah [13:29] Pig_Pen: but kernel -> udev -> dbus -> hal -> X was definitely a bad idea [13:29] yes [13:29] false! [13:29] especially considering that hal is almost the same as dbus [13:29] More false! [13:30] HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer. DBus is a messagebus system. How are they close to the same? [13:30] personally if it was up to me i would get rid of both dbus and hal and only use udev [13:30] eviljames: hal sends messages xP [13:30] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-190-106.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [13:31] eviljames: The daemon connects to the D-Bus system message bus to provide an API that applications can use to discover, monitor and invoke operations on devices. [13:31] from man hald [13:31] my vuze is SEGSIGV caused in libxpcom.so... what is the problem... I had seamonkey-2.0.1-i486-1_slack12.2.tgz installed on my slackware 12.2 ? [13:31] I was just about to say "how does hal send messages" but you already answered me :D [13:31] hmm. i wish monoprice sold 1.5" power cables [13:32] doh, 1.5' [13:32] I spent some time trying to play with dbus for message passing between processes and my first try has been to open my cd tray [13:32] I never succeeded [13:32] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:32] (that meant sending dbus messages with some properties) [13:33] Camarade_Tux: I wouldn't do that Dave.. (HAL 9000) [13:33] hehe ;-) [13:33] I'd prolly prefer hal 9000 to dbus/hal in linux ;-) [13:33] :-D [13:33] I would bet it is a few lines of python, and that you just failed :D [13:34] I mean vuze got SIGSEGV crash... oh well, I downgraded to old seamonkey, now vuze is downloading a core update [13:34] Camarade_Tux: It would be an killer application :-) [13:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-190-106.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:35] MarderIII: xD [13:35] MarderIII: with glints of steel. ;) [13:35] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [13:36] eviljames: nah, the problem is the api: I couldn't understand it: you had to call a function with three params: "/foo/bar/z", "foo.bar.z" and "/foo/bar/z" [13:36] and since everything was using some terminology that was never explained, I just gave up and went for onc-rpc (sun rpc) [13:37] and within 10 minutes, I had two processes talking to each other [13:38] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:39] weirfghliewugfh (~ksljdbfvi@68.232.112.232.dynamic.dejazzd.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] slack should have a non hal/dbus branch [13:40] Feel free to fork. [13:40] wouldn't be upstream [13:40] should be called slackwithballs or something [13:40] Cleanware [13:40] No Kludge [13:40] RealSlack! [13:41] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) joined ##slackware. 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[13:59] We're all dead in 2012. Stay tuned... [13:59] hahah [14:00] Perhaps that only affects Mayans though. [14:00] they'll all die the moment we run out of ipv4 allocations [14:00] if mayas where that good in predicions they would not be screwed by thinking that spanish where gods [14:01] GooseYArd, /whois epoch [14:01] [epoch] is connecting from *@one.bad.mother.f***er.it 2001:470:8:59a::11 [14:01] [14:02] so will Christians believe that devil is their God too... [14:02] Ricky Gervais explained it all. [14:02] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [14:02] The entire 'god' debate. Even better than George Carlin did. [14:02] who!? [14:02] Action: epoch will link you [14:03] epoch hah well played [14:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I [14:03] If that doesn't put it in true perspective for you, perhaps you're a true christian. [14:05] Heh, George Carlin did do a pretty good job [14:05] if by pretty good you mean incredible. :D [14:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:06] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:06] this is not even funny epoch, its more near to blasphemy [14:07] i am a proud heathen/infidel/atheist [14:07] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [14:07] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.145) joined ##slackware. [14:08] technopolic (technopol@95.43.7.237) left ##slackware. [14:08] there is no god, no allah, no jehovah, no yahweh, no jesus, they are all fictitious characters made up to manipulate the clueless masses for profit and cannonfodder [14:08] pupiteee, not at all. [14:08] Pig_Pen++; [14:08] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:08] heh, i like this one better :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P_fsoFkzXA [14:09] there is slackware-offtopic though :) [14:09] indeed [14:10] Most of it is just common sense. Religion was created to hold society together. No coincidence that most rules in most religions are also just common sense ways to hold together a society. Obviously, if everyone killed, stole, lied, etc, society would become extremely inefficient [14:10] Indeed, there is ##slackware-offtopic, which houses fiery religious debate. [14:10] sahk0: and this all seems like offtopic chatter. [14:10] That was from errr a George Carlin speech.. [14:10] eviljames: or any debate for that matter. ;) [14:10] fire|bird: good call. Next debate on the docket: is fire|bird gay? [14:10] :P [14:10] no. [14:11] haha [14:11] :) [14:11] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:11] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.195.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:13] fire|bird: religion is off limits on the irc imo. as ive said before the only people ive seen starting such discussions is US people bored at work. anyyone else getting into such a discussion, whos not getting paid for his/her time and gets involved is throwing his time in the Trashcan [14:13] :) [14:14] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:14] its philosophy time [14:14] :) [14:14] sahk0: then join ##philosophy :P [14:15] breaktimes over boy, get back to pushing that broom [14:15] haha [14:16] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:16] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC30D77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:17] sahk0: And I disagree with your statement that religion is/should be offlimits on IRC. But I do agree that there should be a time and a place for it, most definately a place, to which all intent and puroposes, is /not/ ##slackware. ;-) [14:17] yeah , if you /j #religion that should be a hint that you're interested [14:18] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:18] slackware is a religion ?!#? [14:18] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:19] then i sung "losing my relgion" when i typed in startx and xorg complained about hal not being installed [14:19] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:19] ha! [14:21] botnet (~void@c-71-197-179-189.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] anyone ever had the problem of eth0 only able to connect at boot? [14:21] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:22] e.g. it works as normal during the boot process, but if i unplug the cable, i cannot re-establish a connection wihtout rebooting again [14:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.195.118) joined ##slackware. [14:22] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.109.110) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:22] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:22] instead of rebooting try this: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [14:23] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] botnet, you have to tell it to restart and find the connection again... [14:23] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[14:36] yup [14:36] I must run then [14:36] bye bye [14:36] :D [14:36] firstimeirssi (~newbie201@41.252.12.78) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:37] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [14:38] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:38] since the government wants to get so big and powerfull and stick their noses in everything and their fingers in everyone's pie i bet they will eventually collapse under their own bureaucratic weight [14:40] no man's laws, no god [14:40] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Pig__Pen: no man's or god's laws, are you an outlaw? [14:41] one of these days i will sell my house, and move to some cabin in the woods and live completely off the grid, no electricity, no tap water, just live off the land [14:41] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:41] what's wrong if the govrenment put their fingers on everything to insure your and others safty? [14:42] you'll never be able to do it [14:42] any government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it all away, i dont want a government with that much power [14:42] anyway, I'm just wondering why you hate laws [14:42] nothing wrong with them ... vice versa, you may never imagine how it's like whitout laws [14:43] technopolic (~technopol@95.43.7.237) joined ##slackware. [14:43] hey who let the founding fathers onto the channel [14:43] in France, you might have to keep a backdoor in your computer for the government to get easily into your computer [14:44] one we are normal folks whom can not make big diferences and two a government with much power is better than the one without powers or no gov [14:45] i would rather live in a tent like the bedouins [14:45] you won't be able to survive [14:45] that is not your natural place [14:46] people survived for thousands of years that way [14:46] but be my guest and try [14:46] many generations [14:46] Although there isn't much support talk going on atm, this all sounds like ##slackware-offtopic conversation to me. [14:46] fire|bird: yay :) [14:47] come up with a topic bird [14:47] newbie2010: pants on the ground? :) [14:47] it seems to me that you just discovered this offtopic term a couple of days ago and everyone is happy to exhaust it [14:48] pupit: bend over [14:48] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:48] newbie2010: It's a channel that eviljames founded and I'm an op in, when we can, we try to direct offtopic chatter there. [14:48] caption always "%{+b rk}%H%{gk} |%c %{yk}%d.%m.%Y | %72=Load: %l %{wk}" [14:48] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:48] hardstatus alwayslastline "%?%{yk}%-Lw%?%{wb}%n*%f %t%?(%u)%?%?%{yk}%+Lw%?" [14:49] WHOOPS [14:49] you own the channel but you don't own my ass [14:49] ? [14:49] ewww! nobody wants to own your smelly butt [14:49] haha [14:49] is it smelling Pig_Pen? [14:50] maybe you slept on the wrong side or something !!! [14:50] behave newbie2010... [14:51] technopolic (technopol@95.43.7.237) left ##slackware. [14:52] technopolic (~technopol@95.43.7.237) joined ##slackware. [14:52] ok my lord [14:52] your wishes are my commands [14:52] Hi again, I installed SBOPKG aand after that I edited the /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf file [14:52] I road the doc and after I choice to syng froom the sbopkg menu [14:53] it's print me that I am not selected mirror, but in the doc write that after choice that it's auto download it [14:53] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:54] What I should to do? [14:54] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [14:55] http://www.sbopkg.org/docs.php go through this step by step and make sure you did not miss anything technopolic [14:55] how i can install laptop bluetooth [14:55] So I road that [14:56] and review of sbopkg as I did that which writes in the arcticle\ [14:56] but I think that I am not selected mirror [14:57] technopolic: pastebin the output of "sbopkg -r" pelase? [14:57] shah16 (~shah@121.246.152.157) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:57] well, i dont use sbopkg myself so that is the best i can do for help, i usually just roll my own pkgs by hand thats why my packages have a hump in them like a camel [14:58] Syncing with the remote repository into /var/lib/sbopkg/SBo/13.0. [14:58] Rsync with the SBo repository for Slackware 13.0 failed. [14:58] technopolic: .. PASTEBIN [14:59] not "oh let's frigging spam the channel" [14:59] sorry [14:59] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:59] technopolic: pls also pastebin your sbopkg.conf [15:00] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [15:00] chess: hey, how's it going? :) [15:00] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Asido (1000@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:01] BP{k}: not bad. too much $WORK, but what can you do? [15:01] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:04] technopolic: there should not be anything confidential in your sbopkg.conf so pls pastebin it. plus the error msgs. [15:04] BP{k}: how are you doing these days? [15:04] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:06] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [15:06] So, the error message is /usr/sbin/sbopkg: line 2212: rsync: command not found [15:06] and sorry about the stuped questions [15:06] but How that paste BIN? [15:06] technopolic: there is your answer [15:06] chess: not too bad :) keeping busy, waiting for the winter to be properly gone and waiting for curry. :) [15:07] technopolic: did you do a partial install or something? [15:07] I installed it from .tgz package [15:07] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:08] technopolic: Putting something on a pastebin, means you copy and paste the output to a site like http://pastebin.slackadelic.com or http://pastebin.com .. and give us the URL after you have clicked the 'paste' button. [15:08] technopolic: you installed what from .tgz? [15:09] sbopkg [15:09] ... [15:09] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:09] technopolic: did you do a partial install of Slackware? [15:09] technopolic: please read the error message that you got. the answer is right there. [15:09] no [15:09] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [15:10] technopolic: bollox. Your answer is somewhat less than thruthful. [15:10] technopolic: pls post the output of 'which rsync' [15:10] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:10] and a major credit card number [15:10] GooseYArd: :D [15:11] technopolic: Actually, can you this for me? "cat /etc/*sio*" and tell me what the exact output of that is? [15:11] 11. [15:11] this is my sbopkg.conf file http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/O5bwrD22.html as you wanted [15:11] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.141.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:12] ardya: fail. [15:12] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:13] 11 is ultra win [15:13] technopolic: pls post the output of 'which rsync' [15:14] ardya: mine goes to 12! ;=] [15:14] it cant since it can only go to 11! [15:14] no rsync in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin) [15:14] exactly [15:14] so it's not installed corectly? [15:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:15] its not installed at all? [15:15] you evidently did not do a full install of slackware [15:15] correct, which makes your statement that you did a full install a load of cockswobble. [15:15] ls /var/log/packages/rsync* [15:16] ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/rsync*: No such file or directory [15:16] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] hm I should install the package [15:16] :) [15:17] technopolic: one more. pls tell us output of cat /etc/*sio* [15:17] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:18] /etc/slackware-version [15:18] is the output. BTW I installed rsync yet [15:18] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [15:18] thats an ls not cat [15:18] 'cat /etc/*sio*' [15:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:18] Slackware 13.0.0.0.0 [15:18] rhys (~quassel@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] Nick change: rhys -> Guest15475 [15:19] hmmm whens 13.0.0.0.1 coming out :) [15:19] technopolic: I seriously would make sure you have a full install of all the slackware-13.0 packages. *including* all patches that have been released. It only will help yourself. [15:20] Guest15475 (~quassel@66.102.98.215.ip.anet.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:20] while not official policy perhaps, slackbuilds.org and sbopkg are intended to be used with a full install of slackware. [15:20] This is full install, but the pc was not used by me and it seems that some package [15:20] are removed [15:21] sbopkg relies on several binaries that come with slackware, such as rsync, wget, vi, more [15:21] technopolic: So who else has access to the PC then? [15:21] if pkgs are removed/missing, it is, by definition, not a full install [15:21] so if I enter slackpkg install slackware? [15:22] can i install conexant dial up modem in slackware [15:22] ardya++ [15:22] technopolic: read http://sweet.nodns4.us/ and then read "man slackpkg" [15:23] now after I installed rsync sbopkg run out of the box (at the moment) [15:23] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:23] Blue_Slacker86: try www.linmodems.org [15:23] Blue_Slacker86: there are a script called scanModem [15:23] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-71-15.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Blue_Slacker86: it will help u to find your driver. i can supose it will slmodemd [15:25] necropresto: i have a hsfmodem but i can not install it [15:26] Blue_Slacker86: forget winmodem. get at least an adsl [15:27] necropresto: i have ADSL an WIMAX but i need to it to send fax [15:29] technopolic (~technopol@95.43.7.237) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:30] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:32] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:34] Blue_Slacker86: scanModem will help you [15:34] getting a 160gig ssd, can't wait to win7 it! 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[16:05] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.99.50) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:05] pseudonymous (~icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [16:06] would there be a (magical) way to speed up rsync when there are no updates? I doubt it but I prefer to ask [16:07] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:07] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:07] rsync just the changelog first and see if stuff happened? don't think anything inherent in rsync'll make it any faster [16:08] yeah, that's the only thing I could think of [16:08] thanks [16:09] -z? [16:09] don't know what impact that has on speed [16:10] depends on types of files. IIRC -z can slow things down if rsyncing graphics or multimedia files. [16:10] actually I need to check I'm net-bound and not disk-bound [16:10] also the other end might have disabled it.. as it tends to make a pretty big dent in the CPU [16:11] macavity: good point [16:11] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:12] first time I rsync'ed, I got: sent 3182124 bytes received 2260437 bytes 17642.01 bytes/sec [16:12] and second time: sent 237 bytes received 82744 bytes 2477.04 bytes/sec [16:12] and it only took a few seconds to run [16:12] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I got my ssd [16:12] 160 gig x25-m [16:12] :> [16:12] poor SSD, he'll have to do with you =/ [16:13] jeev: let's see if you run into the same issues I had with my ssd :P [16:13] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:14] think I'll fire up wireshark (the dissectors are nice) [16:18] how i can install laptop bluetooth [16:18] crouton (1000@bas1-toronto10-1279558720.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:18] hey guys.. i keep getting randomly disconnected from the internet. i have a wireless connection to the router which is just like 10 feet away. also, it works perfectly in windows xp. no clue why it's screwed up on slackware. when it disconnects, nothing seems to fix it. i tried doing "./rc.inet1 restart" and "ifconfig wlan0 down/up". only a reboot fixes it. any ideas? [16:19] if you did a full install you should have bluetooth.. as for actually enabling a specific device, that's a different issue [16:19] crouton, check dmesg [16:19] k, let's see [16:19] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [16:20] crouton: Usually some flaky drivers. I have the same issue with a Macbook Pro. About the resetting of wireless though, usually unloading the wireless module entirely and loading it back in should fix whatever issues you have with using the hardware. In fact this is what many suspend scripts do to modules that won't behave well after a suspend. Kinda works like a big "RESET STATE" button [16:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:21] i see. and dmesg only shows stuff since my last boot till now? or since i installed till now? [16:21] i guess this is only the current stuff [16:22] PACKAGE MIRROR: http://slack13-ipv6.mirror.kritek.net/ [16:22] ok, seems I'm *completely* disk-bound and once the files metadata is cached, it takes less than a second to rsync slackware64-current/source [16:23] mikl0 (User@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.195.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:23] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [16:23] okay well how do i unload/load modules in slackware? [16:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] modprobe / modprobe -r ? [16:24] raela|alt (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:25] not insmod and rmmod? [16:25] man modprobe [16:26] crouton: man dmesg says that it displays the kernel ring buffer. Usually a ring buffer is implemented as a fixed length buffer that, when the end is reached, starts overwriting the first blocks again. (At least if it's the same concept as what I was taught in my Algorithms & Datastructures course).. So yea, I'm guessing whatever you see in dmesg is fairly recent and the buffer probably fills up quite quickly [16:26] crouton: modprobe should be used, not {ins,rm}mod [16:26] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:27] okay, excellent. i guess i'll have to wait till the next disconnect to check what's in there. [16:27] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:27] and i'll try removing/adding the module to see if that fixes it [16:27] thanks for the help guys. [16:29] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:31] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Client Quit [16:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.83.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:32] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-46-86.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [16:32] hi [16:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.92.53) joined ##slackware. [16:33] i wanted to pack my whole system from live cd with tar but i wnated to exclude the content of the fodler /usr/src, i tried -X with an exclude list but it didnt work, can u help me, i dont wanmt to delte the diles in /usr/src but i dont need them in a system-image [16:34] --wildcards --exclude="/usr/src*" [16:34] should do it [16:35] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [16:37] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:37] Camarade_Tux: so the fodler /usr/src/ will be saved but no content? and if i want to exclude a whole fodler? [16:38] dtzWill (~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:38] Mona (~chatzilla@112.135.23.144) joined ##slackware. [16:38] dtzWill (~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) joined ##slackware. [16:38] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.152.155) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:38] /usr/src should be excluded, actually it's a bit too wide since it'll also exclude /usr/srcfooooo: /usr/src/* should be better [16:39] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:39] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:39] Any of you actually use fluxbox as a manager ? I'm toying with the idea, but I mostly use laptops these days and I hate the thought of navigating past the menues using a touchpad, is it possible to navigate the menu using the keyboard ? [16:39] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Camarade_Tux: i backup with tar cvjf /mnt/backup/slackware-$(date -I).tar.bz2 -g /mnt/slackware-$(date -I).log --wildcards --exclude="/usr/src*" * <-- this wildcard is saving all in / of the system which I#m going to save, does the wildcard option has any bad nfluences? [16:40] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] dunno: try and see ;-) [16:41] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [16:41] use cvf instead of cvjf when you're testing though ;-) [16:42] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:42] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:43] Camarade_Tux: tar has no wildcard opion, cant find it in manpage [16:43] Mona (~chatzilla@112.135.23.144) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:44] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [16:45] read the end of tar's manpage [16:46] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:47] slysyr (mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:47] Camarade_Tux: thx u :) [16:49] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.176.127) joined ##slackware. [16:50] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-46-86.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:50] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:51] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:52] pprkut, what was your issue [16:52] jeev: every cache flush would freeze the system for a few seconds [16:53] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:53] what drive [16:54] verbatim ssd [16:54] maybe it is because of the pci-express connection, could be [16:55] oh, well i have a lappy with a fujitsu ssd, haven't had a problem.. only one lock up ever [16:55] you were using slackware ? [16:55] yes [16:55] it was a filesystem issue [16:55] ext4 and xfs would spike to 99% io usage on a cache flush [16:55] oh hmm, mine i use slackware on most of the time, the new drive i got is the x25-m [16:56] but it's for windows 7 [16:56] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] I switched to nilfs2, which is doing great. Only 10-15% io usage on a cache flush. But unfortunately it has a bug that reduces the lifetime of ssds [16:57] so I'm still waiting with moving more stuff on it [16:57] ahh, mine is the good one, didn't even know verbatim had it [16:58] pupiteee (~p@109.93.232.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:58] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-178.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:58] verbatim is so far the only one who builds express card ssds, that use pci-e and not usb [16:58] oh, express! [16:59] and then there's the thing of it requiring a staging driver :/ [17:00] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:00] ahh [17:01] well, i've gotta run windows on it [17:01] my friend has one he says it's really fast.. and i've had one on my oaptop but i need it on my desk [17:02] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:03] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] pprkut: that's a know issue [17:04] (with some ssds) [17:04] awesome [17:05] Camarade_Tux, with x25-m ? [17:06] jeev: nope [17:06] Camarade_Tux: well, nilfs2 to the rescue ;) [17:07] to be honest, I guess ext2 would work as fine [17:08] wait a bit ;-) [17:08] for what? [17:08] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:09] trying to find a link for you ;-) [17:09] some SSDs suffer from long pauses [17:09] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:09] bah, compiling stuff on a CULV 1.3 dualcore is just about the equal of running a CPU-intensive animated background, the thing just keeps on going for an eternity [17:09] ah, wasn't tom's hardware but anandtech [17:10] Camarade_Tux: I really doubt this is a hardware issue [17:10] http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=7 [17:11] read page 7, 8, 9 and maybe 10 I think [17:15] well, I still doubt it is the same issue [17:16] for one, while I still have some small freezes once in a while, nilfs2 vs. ext4 is like GBit LAN vs. modem [17:16] occasional very latency with SSD reminded me of these issues [17:16] psykhe (~psykhe@187.36.152.155) joined ##slackware. [17:16] it is not occasional, it is predictable [17:17] every cache flush, so every 20-30 seconds a freeze of 2 seconds or so [17:17] alienBOB: did the KDE 4.4 packages blow up at all? Seems that dbus is blowing up [17:17] and, I have two harddisks, one being the ssd [17:17] well, yeah, chances are it won't happen when there is no I/O at all ;-) [17:18] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] NaCl: blowing up? [17:18] Camarade_Tux: yes, but it would even freeze apps that where accessing the other hdd only [17:19] alienBOB: my desktop is white [17:19] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:19] NaCl: did you upgrade to KDE 4.4 from 13.0 or from -current? [17:19] current [17:20] NaCl: Do you live in DC? it may just be a white out:P [17:20] The white desktop is typical of a missing oxygen-icons package [17:20] pprkut: well, there is another thing I've been confronted with but that only happened during heavy I/O and would freeze everything [17:20] alienBOB: ok [17:20] seems to be ok in more recent kernels [17:21] Camarade_Tux: 2.6.32 here, should qualify as "more recent" ;) [17:21] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] alienBOB: it's there [17:21] Axius (~hi@92.84.26.47) joined ##slackware. [17:22] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:22] I remember I had that white desktop once... [17:22] pprkut: 2.6.33-rc4 ;-) [17:22] Camarade_Tux: considering a cache flush uses up to 28-30MB/s, I would say this is heavy load, yes [17:22] pprkut: but yes, pretty recent ;-) [17:23] alienBOB: I'm in X now. The desktop is white and I am typing this into konsole [17:23] Axius (~hi@92.84.26.47) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:23] pprkut: going to try to get the corresponding kernel bug [17:24] Camarade_Tux: what really strikes me is that both ext4 and nilfs2 use that high io speed, but ext4 uses 99% of the bandwidth and nilfs2 15%, according to iotop [17:24] I just reinstalled everything, going to restart X [17:24] pprkut: isn't nilfs optimized for ssd? [17:24] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] rather, s/optimized/meant/ [17:24] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:25] Razec (1000@189-92-13-105.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Camarade_Tux: well, they advice not to use it for ssds right now. The yhave a rather ugly bug that writes a lot of junk to disk [17:25] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.78.178) joined ##slackware. [17:25] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] alienBOB: same problem [17:26] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:26] NaCl: May want to try with a fresh config, backup .kde and let it make a new one. [17:26] NaCl: try creating a new account and logging into that, just as a test [17:26] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:26] thats an interesting point, wouldn't what would be the best fs for an ssd depend on how its being used [17:26] alienBOB: ++ [17:26] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.69.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:27] Skywise: testing, testing, testing ;) [17:27] ttesting successful! [17:27] like for the boot partition vs data with lots of changes [17:27] Skywise: I played tqo days with various filesystems and options until I settled with nilfs2 for *my* ssd [17:28] pprkut: was maybe: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13347 but as you'll see, nothing clear came out of it [17:28] another setup may raise totally different results [17:28] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:28] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:28] yeah, i do like the idea of using the pci-e bus [17:28] hats that [17:28] watsthat [17:28] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] alienBOB: no dice [17:29] slackware 13.1 must be getting close now.... pleeaseeeeee! [17:29] its the data channel that slots on the mother board take expansion cards on [17:29] transplanted my .kde and still failed [17:29] pprkut: yeah, made a mistake: nilfs2 isn't meant for ssd [17:29] NaCl: new account? [17:29] jonsmith1982: nope [17:30] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [17:30] we got ouuur channels baaack! [17:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] what is multilab? [17:31] Nothing. Or a spelling mistake [17:31] Camarade_Tux: it was the only way for me to get decent performance out of my driver. Meant or not meant doesn't make any difference there ;) [17:32] Guess what friends [17:32] what is slackware multilab? [17:32] pprkut: btw, sheer curiosity: what have you tried? [17:32] (which FS) [17:32] I got my channels back [17:32] are you guys happy for me? [17:32] Camarade_Tux: ext4, with multiple option combinations, xfs and nilfs2 [17:33] ?? [17:33] nilfs2 sounds a bit too experimental for me ;-) [17:33] Please answer or i will hack your guys computer!!! JKJKJKJK just kidding [17:33] also, why did you try nilfs2 rather than, say, jfs? [17:33] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.2.41) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Camarade_Tux: hell, I even tried putting the journal on another drive for both ext4 and xfs, but not even that helped [17:33] Patero-ng: yes, we're happy for you [17:33] manhunter, you prolly mean multilib... think its so you can compile 32 bit software on 64 bit slackware and vice versa. [17:33] Thanks [17:34] alienBOB: died there too [17:34] s/died/failed [17:34] Camarade_Tux: jfs uses a journal as well, I suspected that as being an issue. That's why I think ext2 might have worked as well [17:34] lemme check if I forgot anything [17:35] alienBOB: deps still valid? [17:35] Exactly what packages did you upgrade, and using what command? The ones in deps/ and kde/ using "upgradepkg --install-new" ? [17:35] PRIvate chat please! [17:35] pprkut: you should have tried fat or ufs ;-) [17:35] Camarade_Tux: I put /usr on there. No way! :P [17:36] person (~ed@92.18.68.52) joined ##slackware. [17:36] you could have tried btrfs too ;-) [17:36] im faaat [17:36] alienBOB: everything but the stuff in deps/ [17:36] and paronormal [17:36] NaCl: there are many users running these packages since yesterday, you are the first with this issue. The "white screen when starting X" was reported on linuxquestions.org before but that was always related to not having upgraded fully [17:36] Camarade_Tux: now *that* is too experimental ;) [17:36] You need the deps... you did not upgrade those ?! [17:36] jonsmith1982: how can i make my machine multilab? [17:36] someone kick me out of this [17:36] manhunter: multiLIB ffs [17:37] alienBOB: no, I thought they were still valid. my bad. [17:37] manhunter, never done it but .. http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib i believe this maybe of some help [17:37] pprkut: hehe ;-) [17:37] You're being bitten by lack of a new qt [17:37] hello antone there that isnt talking like a computer?>?!?!!!? [17:37] Patero-ng: shut up or I'll kick you [17:37] i dont type fast [17:38] im very sorry alienBOB [17:38] that was my little brother [17:38] hello,will we get any dependency checking tool for slackware in future?can we dream for it?like apt-get or yum [17:38] ? [17:38] I do not believe that [17:38] manhunter: no. [17:38] it was me sometimes though [17:38] manhunter: dream on [17:39] Patero-ng: you do not need a little brother to make you look foolish... [17:39] BP{k}: why? [17:39] manhunter: that tool is already incorperated in Slackware design. ;-) [17:39] BP{k}: you mean, the user? :P [17:39] I was going to suggest looking in a mirror. :P [17:39] Hehe [17:39] BP{k}: are you talking about slackpkg ? [17:39] manhunter: no. [17:39] manhunter: Camarade_Tux: /usr/bin/whoami [17:40] BP{k}: who am i :P [17:40] pprkut: you're pprkut. :P [17:40] really? [17:40] pprkut: both work actually. :P [17:40] let's see [17:40] alienBOB: there we are [17:41] BP{k}: but it says hwiesinger :P [17:41] pprkut: please log off then. you're not yourself ;) [17:41] My system tray is gone, but the desktop isn't "missing [17:41] BP{k}: why is that? [17:41] BP{k}: Evil clone maybe? [17:41] BP{k}: why is that for? [17:42] BP{k}: I tend to disagree, but need to discuss that with myself first before giving a definite answer [17:42] ya whaaaay is that for? [17:42] NaCl: the tray should not be missing. Perhaps something did not start? [17:42] Perhaps. [17:43] which tool will be available for dependency checking ? [17:43] manhunter: in other words: Use your brain. You don't need some fancy tool to think for yourself. Slackware comes with no automatic dependency checking and quite likely never will. That's just the way it is. If you can't live without that, that you need to rethink your choice of distro. [17:43] None manhunter [17:43] in future? [17:43] alienBOB: oh, it's present. [17:43] whats wrong with strace? [17:43] I just can't see it. [17:43] NaCl: deep... [17:44] alienBOB: the systray apps started [17:45] Ok [17:45] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [17:45] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:46] manhunter: why do you think you need automagic dependency resolving? [17:46] BP{k}: to install software [17:46] manhunter: slackware's been around longer than almost all other distros; if there were ever any plans for it, they'd already been complete, hence: no, not even in the future. [17:46] ldd [17:46] with the dependencies it needs [17:47] manhunter: as BP{k} stated - in Slackware, _you_ are the dependency checker [17:47] say I'm running Slack 13 with Xfce on a laptop running a ati chip using radeon under X and I also tried the ati driver and Xfce is laggy/jittery when moving windows around, but Slack is the only one I've had problems with, not sure what's going on [17:47] manhunter: you can't read? [17:47] manhunter, when you install something you will usually see messages in the ./configure or make that will tell you what's missing [17:48] i hate working that is why i live at my parents house so i dont have to work i mean who likes working?! who is with me!? [17:48] Patero-ng: you are a looser [17:48] :'( [17:48] that's a for sure [17:48] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.191.185) joined ##slackware. [17:49] you no what i bet none of you have girlfriends or are ever going to have one because you gouys arew all rude! [17:49] anyone? [17:49] Patero-ng: bye bye :P [17:49] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:49] dive: thank you, this is the real answer [17:49] Action: jeev ships alienBOB his x25-m ssd he just bought [17:50] Xgates, perhaps you need to install the binary ati driver? [17:50] i mean a photo :D [17:50] lol [17:50] Hah [17:50] jeev: for a minute there i was gonna ask if i could have one... 0_o [17:50] I said I tried the X driver and the properitary driver too, but the same [17:50] but/both... [17:50] speaking of dependencies , how hard would it be to use ARCH=${ARCH:-`uname -m`} in slackbuilds instead of hard coding the value and then doing conditional testing ? [17:50] Action: alienBOB ponders about kicking Patero-ng out of this channel [17:51] dont ponder, do it [17:51] Xgates, then perhaps some option in xorg.conf needs fixing? [17:51] shall we vote? [17:51] xsamurai: look at any of the latest SlackBuild scripts... [17:51] If anything Slack shouldn't have lag, but speed [17:51] oh please im sorry [17:51] Xgates: which card btw? [17:51] ill do anyting! [17:51] all I can think is does ATI need 'dri'? [17:51] onboard HD3200 [17:52] alienBOB: im assuming already done [17:52] Yes [17:52] havent seen any of the new ones [17:52] I ran xorgconfig or is that xorgsetup, forget the cmd... [17:52] Look better ;-) [17:52] alienBOB: What does that mean, exactly ? I see plenty of slackbuild scripts of all types which hard-code the ARCH value and I've been wondering the reason myself for some time [17:52] Xgates, dri wouldn't hurt [17:52] well I figure if I ran the x setup it would take care of all the xorg.conf settings correctly needed... [17:52] alienBOB: it seems that my pnal died. [17:52] blue...blue [17:52] *panel [17:53] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:53] Look at this one for instance: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/a/elvis/elvis.SlackBuild [17:53] i use linux [17:54] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:54] btw guys the lilo splash has a dot on it, I can see it on my screen in the middle right... LOL... Thought for a sec there I had a dead pixel.... [17:55] i have a dead pixel [17:55] reminds me I was wondering why some slackbuilds were using /$PKGNAME-tmp-$cookie as a temp dir for building rather than /tmp? [17:55] lalal...lalLALA>AllllLAa [17:55] Camarade_Tux: same question from me [17:55] Y a count me IN! [17:56] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:56] alienBOB: just do it already [17:56] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:56] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Patero-ng [17:56] Just a kick [17:56] This means that if ARCH=i686 then that SB will set it to i486, and if ARCH isn't set it will be set to i686 from uname. This is the opposite of SBo scripts. [17:56] Next time, a ban [17:57] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.78.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:57] since I have ARCH=i686 in my .zshrc for building from SBo we would need change that for building stock scripts [17:57] dive: you are incorrect [17:58] ahhh dri and dri2 are in it, because I'm running the properitary ati driver, but with the X driver it's in there too, but still the windows are laggy.... [17:58] Action: Xgates bangs head [17:58] should update that as well http://alien.slackbook.org/AST/ [17:58] over looked a -z [17:59] xsamurai: priorities... [17:59] hmm yeah [17:59] Xgates: how do you change between the two drivers? [17:59] i know =) [17:59] gm152 (~quassel@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] you can all have a photo of my x25-m [17:59] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.58.25) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Action: XGizzmo_ stabs nachox [17:59] Camarade_Tux: simplest way is just to use the xorg.conf, so if there are two, rename one .old and use just 'xorg.conf' with the driver in there you simply want to load [17:59] evening guys [17:59] everything ok? [18:00] or add an entry for another driver and #comment out the other one is all [18:00] Xgates: afaik, fglrx overwrites some files which may hinder the X driver [18:00] anyone know why Slack 13 with Xfce running is lagging on me? [18:00] should only affect 3D support but I'm not sure [18:00] Xgates: defined "lagging" [18:00] Camarade_Tux: well as I said before I just tried using the X driver only and it was still lagging [18:01] as BP{k} said: define "lagging" [18:01] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.196) joined ##slackware. [18:02] BP{k}: I open a window, and then try to drag it around on the desktop and it jitters lags as you pull it around, pulling slighlty apart, kind like tearing, same effect on a computer running Windows before installing the drivers, windows don't remove or respond well, so I say, 'Lag' :) [18:02] windows don't remove/move.... [18:03] how can i be a slackware developer?what does it mean by slackware developer ? [18:03] what do the slackware developer do ? [18:03] manhunter: sorry but no. You have to be chosen, you can not volunteer [18:03] If you have to ask... [18:04] man I Just don't get this, hmm maybe the kernel version on Slack 13 [18:04] .29 is a bit dated... [18:04] Action: Xgates changes the kernel [18:04] alienBOB: i did not understand your point.can you elaborate/detail please? [18:04] It's probably like the jedi order, but real. They seek out those strong in the force and train them rigorously [18:04] manhunter: considering you desperatly seem to want automagic dependency resolution ... I don't think you should get your hopes up. [18:05] how many slackware "developers" are there? [18:05] Zillions [18:05] heh [18:05] gazillions! [18:06] brazikions [18:06] brazilions [18:06] jonsmith1982: they're all clones! [18:06] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] in a sweat shop in india or something? :) [18:07] that's close enough ;-) [18:07] alienBOB: you mean slackware developers chose other as developers [18:07] ? [18:07] Sure [18:07] what's the process to choose? [18:07] how do they choose? [18:07] it involves lemons [18:07] It is a secret [18:07] Lemons, and a party. [18:08] and a cup [18:08] cake, it's all about cake [18:08] That is only after you've been chosen [18:08] the cake is a lie! [18:08] I think I don't want to know the details ^^ [18:08] There is no spoon [18:08] We tried [18:08] It hurt too much [18:09] alienBOB: is that why rworkman walked funny for a couple of days? [18:09] well that bash beat me [18:09] Actually Alan_Hicks was the victim [18:09] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-254-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:10] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:10] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.2.41) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:10] What the .... That doesn't make any bloody sense. What the.. damn... mind-boggling... Oh sheesh. [18:10] mishehu: ping [18:11] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:11] alienBOB: secret?why? [18:11] are all slackware developers from USA ? [18:12] some are even from outer space! [18:12] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [18:12] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.103.83) joined ##slackware. [18:12] BP{k}: that counts as USA as well [18:12] They'd wish [18:12] BP{k}: thats a lie, they were here before us. [18:13] ardya: yo [18:13] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:13] manhunter: just sleep with 50% of channel here and you'll be on your way [18:13] ardya: poooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooong [18:13] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.196) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:13] sorry, a llittle resonant in here [18:13] xsamurai: that thought is seriously disturbing :P [18:13] you can sleep with BP{k} just for fun [18:14] but fun for who? [18:14] make sure you whip him with cat5e , normal cat5 just makes him mad [18:14] xsamurai: nah, he's been trained by straterra, he's used to a lot of things [18:15] alienBOB: When might Slackbook 3.0 come out? [18:15] xsamurai: 05:13 < xsamurai> manhunter: just sleep with 50% of channel here and you'll be on your way [18:15] xsamurai: what do you mean? [18:15] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.196) joined ##slackware. [18:15] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.31) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:15] ardya: no word yet from pat. I know they received my e-mails presenting the case for those tools to be included/upgraded. [18:16] manhunter: it was a joke, sleeping with anybody in this channel will only result in nightmares [18:16] or std's [18:17] or cat6 marks across your back [18:17] heh or worse. [18:17] mishehu: sendmail, add to site.config.m4: APPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DNETINET6 -DNEEDSGETIPNODE') [18:18] person: Alan_Hicks would be the right person to ask. He is updating the book [18:18] wire isn't flexible enough for a cat. You need good well seasoned and oiled leather [18:18] :) [18:18] well, at some point, the /topic in ##slackware-offtopic read "do not talk about the slackbook" ;-) [18:18] crouton (1000@bas1-toronto10-1279558720.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:19] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.132.174) joined ##slackware. [18:19] ardya: hey thanks for the added info. I'll attach that. [18:19] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.103.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:19] alienBOB: I see; thanks. I just seemed to recall alien.slackbook.com :P [18:20] Yes, but there are so many more sites on slackbook.org [18:20] macavity (~macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:20] Ah right [18:20] shiny new sendmail 8.14.4 with IPv6 enabled [18:21] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.223) joined ##slackware. [18:21] ..sendmail [18:21] Goliath (~goliath@unaffiliated/goliath) joined ##slackware. [18:21] vlc wont show correctly my greek subs (i choose greek/auto encoding) but smplayer will. any ideas? [18:21] Imagine all the IPv6 addresses you can now send mail to! [18:21] and receive from! [18:21] its like totally z0mg like [18:21] sh0ne (~sh0ne@93.86.176.127) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:22] I predict a whole 20 kilobytes of extra traffic! [18:22] i hate sendmail with its strange voodoo magic configuration [18:22] you can get spam to the tenth power now! [18:22] Goliath: need more info [18:23] Pig_Pen: heh, in 7+ years of ipv6 usage, I've only once received a spam attempt via ipv6 [18:23] TheGroove: ok [18:24] just wait until they move everybody to ipv6 even the ghettos [18:26] Pig_pen we may not live to see it heh [18:27] yeah, i am already an old fart, i might have 20 good years left before i kick the bucket if i am lucky [18:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429118.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:27] Ooh that sounds dramatic. [18:28] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:28] alienBOB: btw, any glibc update waiting? (not really looking forward, mostly curious) [18:28] just being realistic, i am almost 50, in twenty years i will be 70, not a lot of men live to see 70, most go just a few years before [18:28] darn even with the latest kernel in current the windows still lag around and tear [18:28] Camarade_Tux: we just had one! Why another? [18:28] errrr this is crazy for Slack [18:28] Pig_Pen: you'll make it long enough to see slackware 5000 roll out [18:28] Goliath: ermmmm.... [18:28] i am using vlc under archlinux, and it doesnt show correctly my greek subs (i use an .srt file- autodetected) [18:29] ah crud. [18:29] Teeeheee, BUSTED. [18:29] alienBOB: hahaha, right, guess I need some sleep [18:29] maybe if they can preserve my head in a jar like in futurama :D [18:29] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:29] That ^^^was in #videolan. Why ask in ##slackware? [18:29] guess I'll finally be doing this upgrade to -current soon ;-) [18:29] Is this another internet meme or something? [18:29] Arch users pretending to be Slackware users? [18:29] trying to update my radeon stuff here. have to start updating a whole bunch of garbage... now dri2proto [18:29] alienBOB: i use it in both slack and arch, the problem for me is common under linux [18:29] Xgates: compositing without hardware acceleration perhaps? [18:30] So, it is not a distro prob. You are correct to ask in #vudeolan [18:30] what ya mean? [18:30] Goliath: tried another font? [18:30] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:30] I don't know how to put it differently. [18:30] alienBOB: yes dejavu sans [18:30] ardya: man taht just takes me back to the old days of the internet, when spam still meant that canned piggy meat [18:30] that would be cool to have a spot on the shelf next to Lennard Nimoy [18:30] Except replace compositing with "desktop effects". [18:30] Question: what on earth do you guys do when a compile issue throws you around ? It seems to me that your average makefile draws include files from damn near every directory on the computer etc. How do you even figure out which particular .h file it selected ? [18:30] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-254-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] if your asking about the hardware acceleration, I thought this is enabled by default in the properitary drivers [18:30] mishehu: aint unfettered progress great :) [18:30] Nvidia? [18:31] pseudonymous, check your ./configure --help options [18:31] ardya: + human psychopathic tendencies :-) [18:31] heh [18:31] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) joined ##slackware. [18:32] pseudonymous: mostly i try to figure out why something wont build, i tried like heck to get kpsk to build on slack13 with a custom kde3.5.10 & qt338 but it wont do it, kpsk is a dead project and i dont think it will be updated [18:32] usus12jari (~ashe@114.58.48.166) joined ##slackware. [18:33] i wish there was a good psk31 decoder, graphical with the waterfall effect [18:33] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:34] ok, I've just entered a world of pain again :-/ [18:34] to use mesa git (so I can get opengl on my radeon hd 4890 card), I need dri2proto 2.2 or newer. even in -current we still seem to have 2.1... [18:36] Pig_Pen: I wish there was a lot of that sort of stuff. I have windows on a machien for the radios just for stuff that doesn't exist in Linux [18:36] Goliath (~goliath@unaffiliated/goliath) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:36] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [18:37] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:37] LorD-VipsS (~vipss@151.56.150.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:37] i did get a sdr receiver to work with wine, but thats about it, i tried some windows based psk31 decoders with wine but they failed [18:38] TheGroove: I still don't get what you are saying, that hardware accel might be an issue, it's not working? [18:38] n8 all o/ [18:39] Xgates: yes. By default, the included KDE enables all sorts of desktop effects that terribly mess up if you don't have proper graphics acceleration set up. [18:39] This seems to be more an issue that is Slack dependant, because if it wasn't I'd see this problem on other distros and I don't [18:39] alienBOB: I can't resist asking, there's no way to attempt to compile part of glibc using *your* script with the standard compiler ? I'm sort of stuck looking for the differences and I swear that I've combed your script (gcc-multilib.Slackbuild) for differences from the standard slackbuild (which compiles just fine using a standard gcc) and I see nothing which ought to drastically alter linking or similar. And my error definitely seem to deal with a [18:39] TheGroove: I mentioned earlier I'm running XFce [18:39] KDE isn't installed on the box [18:39] Ok, I didn't get that. [18:39] But you're not running any desktop effects, right? [18:39] that's what makes it even more odd to be so lightweight and still having issues [18:40] no effects I don't have compiz installed either [18:40] Ok [18:40] pseudonymous: you can not build a multilib glibc using a pure-64bit Slackware [18:40] I can't really tell, then. [18:40] http://imagebin.org/84289 works as good as it did in win2000 on slack with wine [18:40] Only if you follow my bootstrapping walkthrough very carefully [18:42] strange enabling display composting help the windows, but they still tear slightly when dragging them around, but it's better [18:42] help/helped... [18:43] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-71-15.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:43] alienBOB: I have to the point where I memorize the instructions leading up to my doom and it doesn't work. There's something about the combination that messes up linking of one header file. [18:44] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:46] ati driver support isn't so great under linux, it's known for Video watching there has been issues of tearing, but I've not heard about it with dragging windows around, so all I can think is other distros have patched something into the X drivers to prevent this or the kernel, because I only see this on Slack [18:46] darn I wanted to run Slack on my laptop but not working great at all, really sad... :( [18:46] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [18:46] pseudonymous: it took me quite some effort to find the way on (back then) Slackware pre-13.0 on how to build a multilib glibc and gcc, so I am not inclined to go through the process of debugging again. If you want to do this as an excercise, go ahead. But I have other things to do now [18:46] Xgates, have you tried looking to see how those other distros are configured, xorg/driver versions etc? [18:47] nah I never looked into what has been done... [18:48] see here it talks about tearing --- http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/Linux_390.html [18:48] but that's in fast moving objects [18:48] alienBOB: Heh, guess I'm beginning to see why that is. [18:48] Action: NyteOwl offers McEwan's for them as likes [18:48] If you google you'll see stuff: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=ATI+drivers+linux+tearing&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8 [18:49] it would be really great whoever handles the ATI drivers in X to figure this out and fix it in Slack since it's been taken care of in other distros [18:49] Action: Xgates digs some more [18:50] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:51] Ok I found this: [18:51] Video playback with the fglrx driver (and apparently all other ATI drivers) lack Vsync support and thus tearing. Currently there is no known workaround. The open source xf8x-video-ati has a non-composting/page-flipping fix, but not in the master branch. [18:52] ok SO is Slack using this open source xf8x-video-ati version? It seems not.... [18:52] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:53] Check your X logs [18:54] found this: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11891 [18:54] might be an answer here I see [18:54] Under the user Guilo : 08-07-2008, 01:37 PM [18:54] Also, if you haven't installed fglrx yourself, then no, Slackware isn't running the proprietary driver (this may be obvious, ignore if so) :) [18:54] alienBOB: if I managed to get it done, could I become a slackware dev ? [18:54] I installed the ati drivers :) [18:54] k just checking :) [18:55] But check your logs to see if it's actually being used. [18:55] I'm going to try this in xorg.conf [18:55] Option "TexturedVideo" "off" [18:55] Option "VideoOverlay" "on" [18:55] Channel flood from Xgates -- kicking [18:55] Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off" [18:55] Xgates kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:55] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [18:55] sorry hehe [18:55] well I'm going to add those into xorg.conf and see what happens, I'll check the log too [18:56] Xgates: was just the bot, no worries I guess. But it's probably smarter to rely on pastebin.org or similar sites for showing multiline things to others :) [18:56] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.196) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:57] Action: Xgates does know pastebin, didn't think I was going to get booted for 3 lines :) [18:58] 4 lines [18:59] apparently slackboy has itchy toes :-) [19:00] Itchy fingers perhaps [19:00] Trigger-happy [19:00] good song [19:00] alienBOB: he kicks with his hands? sounds like he's built upside down! [19:00] I bet his nose runs and his feet smell [19:00] And he has knobbly knees [19:00] and his elbows sway to-and-fro [19:02] nope good on that [19:02] AHHH Tear Fix ---> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU5NQ [19:02] Action: Xgates looks [19:03] Action: mishehu grumbles about dependency hell... usually he doesn't get stuck in it. [19:03] robsonpeixoto (~robinho@201.82.140.157) joined ##slackware. [19:03] robsonpeixoto (robinho@201.82.140.157) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:03] well heck that goes back like 2 years, I just don't think Pat has implemented this fix is all [19:04] what version of X is Slack 13 using? [19:04] shalkie (~shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 [19:05] slack uses the xorg radeon driver [19:05] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [19:05] but Slack 13 isn't using the latest xorg [19:05] Not by far :) [19:05] 1.6.x [19:05] that's the problem and it's not in current either [19:06] X.Org X Server 1.6.3 [19:06] Exact number: see ls /var/log/packages/xorg* [19:06] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:06] sheesh no wonder, why is Slack using such an old version? [19:06] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [19:07] Xgates, which version does it say it's fixed in? [19:07] I don't know it's just that it looks like from what I remember 1-2 years ago [19:07] and that page isn't loading for me [19:08] on the blog I just read from that URL that in 12-2008 it seems to be fixed [19:09] oh well, I'll wait till the next version of Slack comes along, don't feel like compiling X or anything for now... [19:09] later [19:09] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [19:10] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:10] I find it funny that openoffice.org3 comes with native mysql support and the 3.1.1 slackbuild doesnt [19:11] since 3.1 theyv've included it [19:11] submit a fix to the slackbuild perhaps? [19:11] maybe it will be taken by upstream [19:12] yeah. [19:14] I was trying to get odbc and jdbc working without luck and then read the information on this in a pdf. shucks. [19:15] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.171) joined ##slackware. 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[20:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:09] hi, i am using slackware64 + multilib. i want to try google chrome. i installed the slackbuilds for gconf and orbit. then i installed google-chrome. when i run it from a term this is my error : libnssutil3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: [20:09] any ideas? [20:10] Goliath (~goliath@unaffiliated/goliath) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:10] i googled the error and i got solutions that use relinking, is there another solution? [20:10] blkdg: firefox comes with that, what helps is to add /usr/lib64/firefox-{version-number} to /etc/ld.so.conf [20:11] (that is, if it's the 64bit version you need) [20:12] can i just add that line and relauch chrome TheGroove ? [20:12] It's called libnssutil3.so instead of .so.1, though, so you might want to symlink to .so.1 [20:12] Run ldconfig first [20:12] Then run chrome [20:13] chubs (~chubs@c-71-233-150-243.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] But be careful: if chrome wants a 32bit version, you'll have to install a 32bit version of the lib. [20:13] did you get any errors during the slackbuild of chrome? the build script actually links the nss libs from google [20:13] *firefox [20:14] all i did to the slackbuilds script was change it to x86_64 [20:14] also, if you have a different version of firefox than what the build script is looking for, it won't copy them [20:14] no errors on the build [20:15] what version of firefox is the script looking for, and what version do you actually have? [20:15] It might have picked them up, but for linking it relies on ld.so.conf so if the lib isn't in there, it'll never pick it up. [20:15] The path to that lib, for that matter. [20:16] if chrome is built to look for the nss libs in /opt/google/chrome, it doesn't matter if the firefox path is in ld.so.conf [20:17] True [20:17] Well, unless those 2 are compatible. [20:17] Or even the same. [20:17] sorry, i'm having a hard time keeping up with your conversation guys, can you tell me what info i can provide for you? [20:17] ls /usr/lib64 | grep firefox [20:18] blkdg: you could obviously try google-chrome-beta_current_amd64, that's what it's building for me [20:18] firefox 3. 5. 2 [20:19] what is the script calling for? [20:19] adaptr, from google or from slackbuilds? [20:19] blkdg: SBo [20:19] thats the one i gor [20:19] got [20:19] we'll see, it's building now [20:19] google-chrome-unstable_current_amd64.deb [20:19] oh, it's long done [20:20] um, I'd take the beta if I were you [20:20] google-chrome.tar.gz [20:20] unstable sounds rather unstable [20:20] zGhost (mmcc@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [20:20] but how did you get it from slackbuilds? [20:20] Stable isn't even stable :D [20:20] manwichmakeameal, i am checking [20:20] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:22] i'm sorry manwichmakeameal i lookd at the slcakbuilds script, but i can't see what the script is calling for [20:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.171) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:23] manwichmakeameal: It links in seamonkey not firefox. [20:23] it's after this line: # We need bits of Moz, do this as dynamically as possible you'll see firefox-x.x.x [20:23] night all [20:23] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [20:24] my bad, my script is modified. i totally forgot about that. when i built chrome, i built it against firefox instead of seamonkey [20:24] ln -s /usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}/seamonkey/${MLIB%.?d} opt/google/chrome/$MLIB [20:24] ? [20:25] ignore everything i've said above [20:25] blkdg: I need libgconf2, apparently :) still, we're not done yet [20:25] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:29] ok [20:30] chubs (~chubs@c-71-233-150-243.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:31] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Quit: HDD to active. [20:33] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:33] where is that in ? libgnome ? [20:34] GConf [20:34] hmpf if I read the convo in sbo that I need some patched seamonkeypoo I might as well give up now [20:34] idiotic that it has such weird requirements [20:35] it's stcok slackware [20:38] google chrome ? [20:38] seamonkey [20:38] seamonkey, icecat, firebug.. nobody will ever take FLOSS seriously ! [20:39] i'm pretty sure there are some companies that take FLOSS very seriously [20:49] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Johnsons & Johnsons comes to mind [20:52] Frank Zappa too [20:52] Action: ardya whistles innocently [20:54] XGizzmo solved the problem. i needed the patched version of seammonley. [20:54] it works perdectly@!! [20:54] thanks folks for your time [20:54] blkdg (blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[21:09] OpenBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 4.6 ejeet2#5 i386 [21:09] of course that applies more to ubuntu than to slackware but ... [21:09] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [21:10] yawn [21:10] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@user-160uru1.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:10] dodecahedron kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Get back to work on Theo's cock, boy. [21:10] rworkman strikes again. :) [21:11] someday he'll learn to change his username as well as his nick before he trolls [21:13] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] psykhe (~psykhe@187.36.152.155) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:14] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.152.155) joined ##slackware. [21:15] who says religion is dead [21:15] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:15] and now he's in #suse trolling. what a dead beat [21:16] its sad when someone gives up on ever having friends [21:16] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.1.171) joined ##slackware. [21:17] pitiful [21:18] GooseYArd: You've got mail [21:19] howdy sir [21:19] im with you guys on xcb [21:20] it doesnt seem to have a lot of momentum [21:21] chubs (~chubs@c-71-233-150-243.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Yeah, I don't think any other distro had it enabled there either [21:22] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:29] rhys (~quassel@c-67-175-246-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:30] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:30] who's Theo ? [21:31] de raadt? [21:31] pseudonymous: try google :) [21:32] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] googling for a first name is probably gonna turn up quite a bit :P [21:32] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:32] yeah. and one way to find out [21:33] lf4 (~KJR@c-174-52-233-217.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] lf4 (~KJR@c-174-52-233-217.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:33] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [21:33] meh. If I do google for theo I'd probably just get some crappy facebook/myspace page for some random guys. Not gonna waste time on that, too little info to google on [21:34] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [21:34] o/ * [21:34] \o phrag [21:34] | [21:34] >> [21:35] << [21:35] ^ [21:36] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:36] pseudonymous: right. you just spent more effort on typing that sentence then trying to google for it [21:36] Anyone have an idea on how to figure out which file gcc ends up picking from my system when I issue "#include " ? I need to know *exactly* where it is because I need a closer look at it [21:36] locate limits.h? [21:37] gdb? [21:37] huh? [21:37] locate limits.h is not precise enough, I need to know where gcc got the file from, I'm trying to track down a bug with a compiler I made [21:37] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] dive: GNU debugger [21:37] phrag, yeah [21:38] pseudonymous, I would guess /usr/include [21:38] phrag, and I can use that to see this how ? A general hint is enough, I'm just confused as to how it should help [21:38] sorry, was half reading that from the window whilst smoking =P [21:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CtjhWhw2I8 this is what i get for limits.h [21:39] dive: I'm very much hoping that's not the case as I've tried switching my compiler with the standard gcc compiler and /usr/lib/limits.h remains unchanged, still I have a simple test program (3 lines or so) which fails when I use my own compiler. [21:40] you're a lost puppy pseudonymous [21:40] Yup, just sans the cuteness factor [21:40] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:40] pseudonymous: how about compiling with debugging? [21:40] afaik unless you specify #include it uses /usr/include/ but I may be wrong [21:41] i dont think limits.h is even included with any distros anymore but if you look closely in the kernel source you might find it [21:41] phrag: haven't tried any of it, I don't normally write c nor use gcc (well, apart from via makefiles and such) [21:42] dive: by default, you're right. Looked that up too, but I need to be 100% sure what *this* compiler seems to be doing as I'm trying to figure out why it's taking a wrong turn :) [21:43] pseudonymous: it comes from /usr/include [21:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:43] unless you're using -I to specify additional include dirs, gcc only looks there [21:44] chubs (~chubs@c-71-233-150-243.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:45] GooseYArd: that's just it, I'm not, but I need to do away with every single assumption as I can't understand why something as simple as a constant I see defined in limits.h won't work whenever I'm using my own compiled version of gcc versus the stock slackware version. [21:45] which constant? [21:46] and is it in an ifdef? [21:46] This is my test program (which works when compiled with the stock gcc from slackware, and fails with the static compiler I've tried to make) http://pastebin.org/89855. The constant is UCHAR_MAX [21:46] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:47] i was wrong, /usr/include/linux/limits.h [21:48] Pig_Pen, and how did you come to that discovery ? [21:49] i remember having to tinker with that file and a few others when i did a slack12.2 install without Xorg and built xfree86 instead [21:49] what fails when you build it? [21:50] you'll pull your hair out messing with header files [21:50] sanity fasils first [21:50] GooseYArd: test.c:5: error: 'UCHAR_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function) -- so it's as if the constant hasn't been defined [21:51] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [21:51] you can run test.c through cpp and look at the output [21:52] oh fack me, I think I got it [21:52] yup. run gcc with the verbose flag and you can see where it gets the individual libs from :) [21:53] And this compiler (for some strange reason) links to it's original build-dir before trying the other system include dirs.. Damnit. such a simple mistake.. [21:53] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [21:55] Guess it's time to learn some rudimentary C/gcc/gdb before finding a new set of complex packages to build, it could end up saving me some time hehe :).. [21:55] :) [21:55] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:55] when you have a problem with a macro or a header, a good first step is to run like "cpp test.c" [21:56] all those preprocessor directives get replaced by cpp before the code reaches the compiler [21:56] I can't run cpp atm as my static compiler only does C [21:56] so you can see a post-preprocessor version of the code, and cpp will make comments about which headers its including, etc [21:56] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:56] no cpp is not g++, its "c pre-processor" [21:57] ohhh. [21:57] normally gcc runs your .c files through cpp before compiling them [21:57] but you can run it directly yourself if you want to see what cpp is doing [21:58] PsYkHe (~psykhe@187.36.152.155) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:59] Yea, just tried, seems like a *lot* of output for three lines (no doubt due to the libraries included), guess I'll have to look more into it all. Thanks a bunch :) [21:59] | less [21:59] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] there's a lot more to stdio.h than meets the eye :) [22:05] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:10] knightsilver (~knightsil@ip68-0-87-155.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] hi... anyone know if there's a side of slackware that is geared towards installs onto mobile phones? [22:11] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:12] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:12] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.21.160) joined ##slackware. [22:13] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: "Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it." --Martin Luther King Jr [22:13] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.1.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:14] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:14] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:15] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-254-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:16] geared toward mobile phones? can you expand on that? [22:17] knightsilver (~knightsil@ip68-0-87-155.tu.ok.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:18] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] knightsilver (~knightsil@ip68-0-87-155.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] sorry, got disconnected [22:21] manwich-laptop: i meant, a sort that could be installed onto a mobile phone, in place of its previous operating system, ? [22:22] knightsilver, linux for a mobile phone? some of the palm models came / come with linux [22:22] Delahunt: that sounds cool [22:22] i don't think mine has linux on it yet [22:22] Action: Delahunt shrugs [22:22] not everything can have linux on it, sadly enough [22:22] or, "ought to" [22:23] but usually "not microsoft" is good enough for me 8-) [22:24] is there an 'easy' way to check, ? [22:24] i'm pretty sure it has windows CE [22:24] Action: knightsilver is not 100% though. [22:24] Channel flood from knightsilver -- kicking [22:24] Delahunt: hmn, ill go get the phone brb [22:24] knightsilver kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:24] the nokia n900 comes with a debian arm port [22:24] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: \o\ /o/ \o/ [22:25] tuvok302Lappy (vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-53.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] whoops [22:26] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:27] Action: dive looks at his watch [22:28] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.58.25) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:30] knightsilver (~knightsil@ip68-0-87-155.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] slackboy: i was already away from window. [22:31] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:31] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:31] knightsilver, slackboy's a bot [22:32] tuvok302Lappy (vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-53.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:32] dive: ... [22:33] dive: Take that back. [22:33] Action: knightsilver thinks of basshunter's boten anna. [22:33] ok [22:33] just don't hum it [22:34] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:34] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:34] saltmiser (~saltmiser@0-11-24-92-96-94.wireless.resnet.bloomu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:35] I'm gonna install slackware for the first time in years [22:35] on a thinkpad g41 I found in the trash [22:35] :D [22:35] dive: hmn i cant find where it says if there is linux on the phone yet or not [22:35] knightsilver, tried google? [22:35] Delahunt: for hours [22:36] knightsilver, probably best thing is contact the manufacturer and ask them [22:36] knightsilver, probably not then [22:37] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [22:39] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:40] dive: hmn. [22:40] well, i do love calling big corporations... so i guess i'll call sony to ask [22:42] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-151.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:42] rhys (~quassel@c-67-175-246-158.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:42] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.21.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:45] student (~student@181.131.128.131.reshall.uri.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:45] hey guys Eclipse is crashing, i got it from slackbuilds.org [22:46] student: start it from a command line and see if it gives any errors when it crashes [22:46] mattlafy (Lafy@CPE00226b919fde-CM00222d6c7c95.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] there's a log and evreything but i'll find an error [22:46] so, seeing as how I haven't used slackware in years... [22:46] is disc1 sufficient? [22:47] or do I need all 3 [22:47] saltmiser: if you only want cli, then disk1 should be fine [22:47] disks 2,3 has the extra stuff like kde (among others) [22:50] ah ok [22:50] right now I'm dealing with a laptop that fedora live cd's wont work right with [22:50] I need to spend more time with slackware; I used to use it all the time... 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[23:02] theyre both unix, thats about it [23:02] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [23:03] its nice to know solaris if you want to work in a Sun shop [23:03] although i dont know how many of those are going to be around in 5 years [23:03] newbie2010: opensolaris has very little to do with slackware. [23:04] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:05] would any of you walk me through using lynx for the first time? [23:05] rhys (~quassel@c-24-14-124-172.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:06] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:06] lynx www.google.com [23:06] man lynx and ^^ [23:06] up/down/left/right [23:06] man man [23:06] that is very rich output ananke [23:07] I usually use lynx -dump [23:07] newbie2010: indeed, it is [23:09] in your mind only, simply cause you're not a newbie anymore [23:10] in lynx you type g to type in url to go to [23:10] and / to search [23:10] and most of the commands are spelled out on the bottom of the screen or prompted [23:10] newbie2010: it has nothing about being newbie or not. it's about asking to be spoon fed [23:10] oh come on, like you have anything else to do [23:11] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@user-160uru1.cable.mindspring.com expired. [23:11] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@user-160uru1.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:11] skywise: do you think that i've asked for someone to walk me to through it without trying? [23:11] ananke: in that case wouldn't "lynx http://sweet.nodns4.us/" be better? or would that just be rubbing it in? [23:11] some people have to be shown how to feed themselves too [23:11] i'm not so particular [23:11] not like microsoft is going to show people how to troubleshoot problems and such, their documentation quite frankly sucks [23:11] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:11] tit fed when it comes to asking it from you ananke [23:12] newbie2010: the problem is, that your question is just too generic, withotu showing in anyway, that you indeed have done any kind of research. [23:12] newbie2010: the Noobuntu channel is over there -------------> [23:12] on the other hand, hamsters can use lynx [23:12] the worst part about ms documentation is that its incomplete or incorrect [23:12] newbie2010: being a jackass is not helping your case [23:12] whatever fukers [23:12] a retarded tree sloth can use lynx [23:13] danc3, video proof or it didn't happen 8-P [23:13] see. another one. [23:13] mattlafy (Lafy@CPE00226b919fde-CM00222d6c7c95.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [23:13] sloths can only do 150 baud [23:13] much less if they could they would've evolved to the point where i could hire them to do the household chores lol [23:13] slackware is my first distro and I'm gonna master it with or without your freaking asses assistance [23:13] so fuck off [23:13] 150b is enough for text only [23:13] newbie2010 (newbie201@41.252.12.78) left ##slackware. [23:13] LOL [23:13] ahah [23:13] wait until he tries w3m... [23:13] rage quit! [23:13] or... or... firefox [23:13] Action: ananke is able to spot those mile away [23:14] he'll get far ;) [23:14] i still havent turned parts back on, i wouldnt have known he left except i couldnt tab his nick out [23:14] well it wasn't you ananke but i am reminded of the time i came in here with an unknown nick and hostmask and people gave me the 3rd degree thinking i was a n00b [23:14] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] i'm no expert, but i'm no n00b either [23:15] thats how it goes though [23:15] unix is not for pussies [23:15] bull [23:15] GooseYArd, explain mac os X then 8-) [23:15] Action: Delahunt hopes this channel doesn't turn into how #debian or #freebsd used to be [23:15] its all gui [23:15] if your feelings get hurt by irc, you'll never make it as a unix guru [23:15] point,click,point,click [23:16] seems to me he's starting off just fine [23:16] he'll be an bofh before ya know it [23:16] he's got the healthy indignance [23:16] GooseYArd, true but not everyone is used to our level of angst [23:16] 8-) [23:16] thats fine, they'll either get used to it or give up [23:16] same goes for my job in the usaf, flight line avionics. if you aren't ready for our level of angst you're going to go home crying [23:17] well there wasn't a warning label! 8-) [23:17] peoples spirits used to get broken by usenet before they ever figured out how to irc [23:17] still do [23:17] ah good old usenet [23:17] which reminds me, I haven't slrned lately [23:18] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.89.123) joined ##slackware. [23:18] now these jive ass forums, they deputize retards to enforce politeness [23:18] Can someone tell me if this item is an actual tuner card or if the seller is scamming people and selling some "rebate" (save)? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230435897773&fromMakeTrack=true [23:18] usenet makes IRC look like kindergarten [23:18] vhann_, when in doubt, don't bid [23:18] Action: danc3 loves usenet [23:18] danc3, yeah some of them definitely 8-) [23:19] vhann_: hell for 1 cent, what hav eyou got to lose [23:19] GooseYArd: There's 12$ shipping [23:19] Delahunt: i have nothing against newbs. in fact, i'm very happy to assist them. under one condition: they have to show some interest and effort. if the amount of effort on the assisting side exceeds the effort on the receiving side, then we have a problem. [23:19] ananke, my comments had nothing to do with you [23:20] other than that, newbs are perfectly fine and welcome everywhere [outside of the channels you listed. they'd eat those newbs alive] [23:20] the you of maybe 3 years ago maybe, but not recently [23:20] Action: Delahunt hugs ananke "i'm proud of you!" lol [23:20] 12 steps! [23:20] if you want good advice you have to pay for it [23:20] HAHAHAHA [23:20] abuse is free though [23:21] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.89.123) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:21] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [23:21] and i just finished my mini keg. well, it lasted longer than i suspected [23:21] the person who said "if you want good advice you have to pay for it" HAD to work at microsoft [23:21] plus ananke abuses people because he enjoys it [23:21] ananke, which poison this time? 8-) [23:21] i know this because i enjoy abusing people also [23:21] GooseYArd: complete and utter bullshit [23:21] see now he's starting on me [23:21] Delahunt: pilsner. it was on sale at our local beer store [23:22] roger that [23:22] you wouldnt be on irc if you didnt delight in slagging these tards [23:22] there's a japanese beer, asahi clear, i really like it [23:22] GooseYArd: don't extend your personal fetishes onto others [23:22] ananke do you have some kind of little refrigerator deal for it? [23:22] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:22] kegerator? 8-) [23:22] as much beer as my wife drinks i should probably consider a keg [23:23] nope. mini keg is 5-6L self contained barell. you don't need anything special [23:23] kegerator is what you need for 1/6, 1/2, etc size kegs [23:24] jesus those things are overpriced [23:24] i see why people rig up homemade ones [23:24] which things? [23:24] well, we're about .4" short of the snow record [23:24] keg o rator [23:25] nyRednek: i think dc officially beat theirs today [23:25] what a shit show [23:25] GooseYArd: yeah. make your own from an old fridge. every coworker of mine that brews beer simply made those [23:26] 20:18 < GooseYArd> now these jive ass forums, they deputize retards to enforce politeness <-- Amen. [23:26] ahah [23:26] hell, i'll take snow again over this 40mph gusts of wind and freezing temps [23:26] jive ass forums? [23:26] ive been run off practically every forum i ever joined [23:26] im not made for them [23:27] ananke: we got windgusts of 30mph and a windchill of 24 atm [23:27] they pick out whatever doofus has the most posts and make them a moderator, and then they go around fucking up perfectly good arguments [23:27] like whatever the hell irc network this is we're on, they've done it right [23:28] you can't have ops, it creates a class divide [23:28] depends [23:28] Well, it depends on the channel. We *try* not to stamp out expression here. [23:28] I'm more than content to let people flame each other most of the time. [23:28] ahah [23:28] Regulars anyway. [23:28] you could say they try to run things here with a slack hand 8-) [23:29] good call [23:29] nyRednek: i'm ready for spring. seriously [23:29] Amen. [23:29] indeed. :) [23:29] ananke: i like winter [23:30] i kind of hope the rough winter keeps up so i can talk myself into buying a bobcat [23:30] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:30] Action: Delahunt never wanted a dangerous feline lol [23:30] i think im about 75% complete in convincing myself [23:31] i think the neighborhood association might have some kind of rule about excavation equipment [23:31] i'm just glad i got new tires last fall [23:31] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Go ahead. It will come in handy for the next harsh winter in 15 years. If it still works. [23:31] rworkman: well thats the thing, if i go all out and get a bobcat, there's a whole world of problems i can cause with it [23:32] murphy's law: if you get one, you won't get to use it for the next 15 years [23:32] a snowblower would certainly rot in my garage [23:32] ananke: what part of the country are you in? [23:32] Of course. Including elimination of the neighborhood association members who oppose it. [23:32] ahah [23:32] nyRednek: southwestern part of virginia [23:32] "Nice yard you have there. 'Twould be a shame if somehting happened to it." [23:32] "i wonder how deep your sewer tile is buried" [23:33] hehehe [23:33] "did I show you my new hole boring attachment?" [23:33] ananke: oh...if you were further north, i'd suggest investing in chains [23:33] ugh i spent all day troubleshooting a problem with a coworkers .deb [23:33] if i were to buy chains, i'd buy some crappy tires to go along [23:34] GooseYArd, 'twould be easier to troubleshoot by installation of slackware lol [23:34] "hmm it works now, that's odd" 8-) [23:34] ananke: keep 2 sets of tires? [23:34] Action: Delahunt keeps 2 sets of tires [23:34] ananke: personally, i've not seen where chains tear up tires [23:35] ananke: you should get some mattracks [23:35] nyRednek: i don't have the room [23:35] ananke: improper installation of chains(user error) will tear up tires [23:35] http://www.mattracks.com/ [23:35] they are teh badarse [23:35] it irks me virtually every time a sanitation truck goes by dragging chains, btw [23:36] chains are supposed to be on tight, and aren't supposed to drag [23:37] talk dirty to me! [23:37] and it's funny. when i was buying this car last year, i was saying 'no need to get 4 wheel model. save some money/gas, and 2 wheel drive is sufficient. we'll never need it in this area'. and sure enough, we get this winter. [23:37] oh wait, wrong sort of chains [23:37] :P [23:37] yeah and in the face of al gore [23:37] who is probably in a cruise liner somewhere in the equatorial area lol [23:37] Action: Delahunt got a 4 wheel suzuki cervo mode with winter tires and never gets stuck even with that 3 cylinder 660cc engine [23:37] ananke: usually, when you buy a 4wd vehicle, it offers the option of switching 4wd off for normal driving [23:38] GooseYArd: mentioning of mattracks kind reminds me of this blogpost: http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/somehow-this-becomes-win/ [23:38] guys, ## offtopic channel. [23:38] ahah youd have to evict the entire channel [23:38] ananke: are we in the same ##offtopic? [23:39] nyRednek: indeed, but the model i got had more extras that i was interested in, and 4wd wouldn't do me much good the rest of the year [23:39] dunno :) [23:39] nyRednek: No, he isn't in ##slackware-offtopic [23:39] i'm gonna see if i can get some sleep, without my house falling over in this wind [23:39] ananke: anyways, i loved my ranger xlt when i had it [23:40] ananke: g'night. [23:41] dtzWill (~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:41] GooseYArd: they arent exclusive, you can be in both but quite easily keep offtopic discussions to the offtopic channel ^_^ [23:42] dtzWill (~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:45] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. 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