[00:00] is there some free/open implementation of awdflash.exe [00:00] ? [00:00] Urchlay: Given DOSBox' focus (DOS games), I can't see why they'd do that [00:00] Not to my knowledge. [00:00] not that I ever heard of, unless you mean replacing the entire BIOS (the linuxbios project) [00:01] oh [00:01] LSD`: yeah, you're almost certainly right... [00:01] if they have a flash utility, then they have a flash utility :P [00:01] modern mobos can update from bootable USB keys. Some, like my gigabyte, even include the flash program in the BIOS. You just put the BIOS image on a removable device, press the right key at boot and you can update it all without a floppy drive [00:01] eh, well, no, they have a flashable image. You either use the manufacturer's flash utility, or an eprom programmer, or whatever [00:02] macavity: some systems support libsmbios too which allows you to flash from within linux. I use it for Dell systems often since they support it [00:03] antiwire: my box apparatently supports smbios too [00:03] antiwire: at least i can load a bunch of kernel modules that does smbios related things [00:03] yep [00:03] neet [00:04] antiwire: eg, like the highly *ahem* usable "read SPD from RAM chips" module :P [00:04] i do that *all* the time [00:05] Zamboli (n=Merriam@freke.odin.pdx.edu) joined ##slackware. [00:05] but knowing that smbios can also be used to flash the bios CMOS makes me view the invention with less scornfull eyes [00:05] X serve RIP [00:05] yeah, it's nice is your system supports it. I've used it on Dell laptops and also to update the BIOS on the RAID backplanes on Dell PERC based servers [00:05] is/if [00:06] i'm getting something along the lines of "client 1 rejected from local host" i cant remember precisely [00:06] over and over [00:06] quick question. I'm doing a flash slackbuild, my very first. following the how to pretty closely, ha. How do I know if my .slackbuild script is already executable and that i do not need to chmod +x it? [00:07] Kenny_Duehit: ls -alh buildscript_here [00:07] nice.. sbo has libsmbios :-) [00:08] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [00:08] no benevolent takers? [00:08] -rwxr-xr-x 1 kenny users 2.3K 2009-07-10 00:03 flash-player-plugin.SlackBuild which part tells me it is already executable? [00:09] well, boys and girls...time for a name change... [00:09] those x's do [00:09] Nick change: brklynRednek -> AnonymousRednek [00:09] what is the common x config tool [00:09] better name [00:09] antiwire: hm. Does the libsmbios stuff actually allow you to set up hardware RAID arrays from within a running Linux system? IIRC, when first setting up our old Dell PERC servers, we had to either boot into the RAID card's BIOS or boot this RAID setup CD (which appeared to be a cut-down bootable windows) [00:09] AnonymousRednek: Your not so anonymous. I KNOW WHO YOU USED TO BE!! [00:10] now even hipsters have mullets, no one knows who is who [00:10] Kenny_Duehit, but you never knew who i am [00:10] Urchlay: Doing that is part libsmbios and part additional userspace tools [00:10] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:10] Kenny_Duehit: perhaps you should spend some time reading slackbook. [00:10] antiwire: right, I meant, do the userspace tools actually exist? [00:10] Urchlay: In my experience, Dell has some Openmanage tools for linux [00:10] common x config tool? [00:10] I agree BP{k} [00:11] antiwire: did i miss some terribly important concept, or aren libs supposed to actually come with, say, a shared library?!? [00:11] Zamboli: XF86Config/xorgconfig :P [00:11] i think I get it....those are the read write privligis [00:11] these were pretty old, think they were dual P3/600 CPUs [00:11] thank you [00:11] antiwire: libsmbios came with exactly zero /usr/lib/ and /usr/bin/ entries :P [00:12] they actually came preinstalled with redhat 7.0 or so, but when I took charge they had all been remote-root-exploited, I wiped 'em and put Slackware on there [00:13] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [00:14] yup [00:14] xorg is real broke [00:15] Zamboli (n=Merriam@freke.odin.pdx.edu) left irc: "one more hoop to jump through" [00:15] where? [00:15] in his head probably. ;) [00:16] macavity: /usr/lib/libsmbios.so.2.1.0 [00:16] ? [00:16] mine has it [00:16] antiwire: did you fetch it from sbo? [00:16] yeah [00:17] 0.13.10 on -current? [00:17] lol [00:17] no [00:17] 12.2? [00:17] I'm using libsmbios-2.2.6.tar.bz2 on -current [00:17] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:17] using modified SBo builds...oops..forgot about that [00:18] oh [00:18] some bonehead forgot to updtate more than just a little bit! [00:18] from 0.13.10 to 2.2.6 is not just simple neglect.. [00:19] hahaha [00:19] no man, that takes skill [00:19] except that on Dells page 0.11.1 is the latest released :P [00:19] where did you get yours again? [00:20] It's up there somewhere, I barely remember now that I had to look all over for it. let me see if I can find the place [00:21] good lord i'm date too http://linux.dell.com/libsmbios/download/libsmbios/ [00:21] dated* [00:21] perhaps an email to the devs would be in order: http://linux.dell.com/libsmbios/main/index.html [00:21] those two do *not* match [00:22] lmao [00:22] hey, at dell is trying...right [00:22] haha [00:22] ok my typos are horrible right now. [00:22] but we need to get hold of the slackbuild maintainer [00:22] it has not been updated since 27-aug-2007 [00:22] it's Alan_Hicks [00:22] let's kick his ass [00:23] Alan_Hicks: we are making fun of you here! come watch :P [00:23] libsmbios-2.2.18.tar.bz2 [00:23] lmao [00:27] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] is that like dmidecode? [00:33] ah fuck [00:34] i forgot --etc-dir :-/ [00:34] now it stuck stuff in /usr/etc/ [00:34] >_< [00:34] sahko: dmidecode will only go "one way" [00:34] sahko: libsmbios will also let you talk the other way on the sbbus [00:34] *smbus [00:34] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:35] S| (n=a@189.187.202.108) joined ##slackware. [00:35] how do i load my cpu for, say, 5 mins? [00:35] macavity: what are you doing? [00:35] antler: some sadistic bc command should do it [00:35] antler: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp [00:35] lol [00:36] or /dev/null if you're not fun [00:36] straterra: so, /dev/urandom > /dev/null ? how do i limit that to 5 mins? [00:36] use a clock :P [00:37] haha [00:37] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:37] well [00:37] antiwire: i just build 2.2.18 with the classic DESTDIR method to see what was in it [00:37] antiwire: i vote for a slackbuild rewrite :P [00:37] as soon as you run it..run another script that does sleep, then kill of the pid [00:37] macavity: the SBo seems to work fine though [00:37] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) joined ##slackware. [00:37] and have it sleep for 5 mins [00:37] it does use DESTDIR [00:38] straterra: im in fluxbox; i'll just click the little x. :P [00:38] antiwire: ah crap.. "RBU Bios Update not supported on this system." [00:38] doh [00:38] antiwire: despite the name i think this is a Dell only thing [00:38] macavity: dood you need to get a dell [00:39] haha couldn't resist [00:39] no i do possitively NOT need to get a dell [00:39] man, such a pain today swappying my nb fan [00:39] swapping [00:39] i have a three year old Asus.. and i have STILL not seen an off the shelf machine with a T7400 CPU to this date [00:40] Kenny_Duehit (n=Kenny_Du@CPE0015e9698772-CM001ac316ac14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving." [00:40] macavity: my laptop has a T2400 but supports the T7400..but you'd have to get one and install it yourself [00:40] it would work fine though [00:40] plenty of funny little crappy 2.16GHz Core2Duo versions.. but none of the laptops i have seen at that speed have had 4MB L2 [00:40] T7400 as in the 2.16GHz, 4MB L2, 667MHz FSB Merom Core 2 Duo? [00:40] LSD`: yes [00:40] straterra: thanks :) [00:41] macavity: My MacBook has one of those... [00:41] LSD`: macs dont count :P [00:42] LSD`: a) because they are gay b) because they are much more expensive than my Asus was, and c) because they became available much later than the ASMobile :P [00:42] hm. When the Dell guy got busted for pot, did he say "Dude, I'm goin to jail!" [00:42] Action: macavity runs away quite fast [00:42] they put you in jaile for POT?!? [00:43] (and while he was in jail maybe he got religion, and now travels around preaching to kids: "Dude, you're goin to hell! (If you don't accept jebus)" [00:43] macavity: sounds like there may have been plenty of machines with T7400s, you just nefver saw them because you didn't want to :P [00:43] they can. Usually small amounts they just write you a ticket & you pay it. [00:44] celebrity types though, they either get away with murder, or else they get "made an example of" [00:44] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:44] LSD`: i know.. but when i look in the colored magazines they throw through the mail slot i am still happy with my so called close to retriement age laptop :P [00:45] if yours is retirement age my T2400 based laptop must be walking dead [00:45] LSD`: and the machines that comes close to the specs of this one actually cost what i gave for this one in almost three years ago [00:45] it's not even a core 2, just a core duo [00:45] antiwire: a T2400 is a freaking joke [00:45] it's still faster than a P4 though [00:45] antiwire: id rather have some crappy AMD Turino or something :P [00:46] and does virtualization too [00:46] macavity: funny story, my MacBook was cheaper and better equipped at the time than the PC machines I was looking at [00:46] Action: macavity pulls out the 3.2GHz Prescott 1MB L2 800FSB from the closet [00:46] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) left irc: "cd ~" [00:46] antiwire: you were saying? [00:46] ... [00:47] lets see you put that 3.2Ghz P4 into a laptop [00:47] and roast your nuts [00:47] LSD`: yeah, ive heard that.. i just got luckey with my ASMobile.. its a whitebone machine [00:47] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) joined ##slackware. [00:47] petx (n=zernicov@118.96.200.168) joined ##slackware. [00:47] As much as I know this T2400 does blow, it's been a good CPU for this laptop [00:47] antiwire: heh, right before the P-Ms came out it was popular among notebook manufacturers to put desktop parts in notebooks. Intel even made a version of the P4 specifically for the segment [00:47] antiwire: dont be a pussy... removing 130W of heat from a laptop can be done in only 96dBa ;-) [00:47] I can';t really complain except for the lack of EM64T [00:48] antiwire: A C2D is only about 10% faster clock for clock [00:48] LSD`: I remember those laptops with Desktop P4's [00:48] .. and add another 15% for every time you double the cache size... [00:48] also, EM64T isn't that big a deal when the chipset can't addrtess more than 4GB at all [00:48] they ate batteries like tic tacs [00:49] on that account i must admit that mine is a bit of a hog too [00:49] LSD`: well I want the EM64T so I can help with slackware-current64 [00:49] i'm currently relegated to slackware-current [00:49] i have like 1h45m if i dont play funny tricks with power mangement [00:49] i only have 2GB ram, so i am on regular -current too :P [00:50] i dont see why i should bother with slackware64 just yet [00:50] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:50] I just want to help by being able to throw another random system on to it for bug hunting [00:51] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [00:51] i am not satisfied with the whole lib64 thing [00:51] i would have prefered that it stayed lib and that the compat thing was called lib32 [00:52] yes that would break lots of old long forgotten binaries.. but it would have made a nicer system for the future [00:52] I like that method more too but remember that Pat isn't the one who defined the spec [00:52] oh, noone told him that he had to use lib64 [00:53] that is just how you bootstrap your toolchain [00:53] well he at least wants to hang close to some form of standard [00:53] bluewhite uses lib instead of lib64 [00:53] all the better that Slackware64 doesn't then [00:53] but ok, the bonehead has gone for a full chroot for 32 bit compatiblity [00:53] The lay Linux handled 32/64 bit interoperability as a whole was less than satisfactory. They proibably could have come up with some better, sooner if they wren't so focussed on offering 64 bit ahead of everyone else to begin with [00:53] 32-bit libs in /usr/lib means 32-binaries don't need recompiling/relinking... as in, I can installpkg wine-$version.tgz and it'll Just Work (or it would, if I'd bothered installed the compat32 packages) [00:54] Urchlay: i know [00:54] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:54] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Urchlay: but for the sake of easy backwards compatibility you now need to fudge a lot of shit [00:54] LSD`: I'm not even sure that's "linux" you're talking about... the GNU glibc/binutils/gcc developers might have been the ones who came up with that (the "steering committee") [00:55] Urchlay: eg, every peice of software that has no problem with 64 bit ussues, but who happen to have an older build system needs --lib-dir=/lib64 --usr-lib-dir=/usr/lib64 [00:55] Urchlay: I tend to use "Linux" as something of an umbrella term. Partly because it's the easiest way to get across what you're referring to and partly because it annoys the hell out of those "GNU/Linux" tards :P [00:56] awe shit here we go [00:56] i think it is fundamentally wrong to make backwards compatibility easy at the expense of present compatibility [00:56] what might be slicker: /usr/lib is empty except for 2 subdirectories called 32/ and 64/, and the runtime linker's smart enough to look for .so libs in the correct one... but that'd break compatibility with everything, plus all new slackbuilds would have to be written different [00:56] LSD`: actually it doesnt annoy me the slightest bit [00:56] macavity: what if there is no "present compatibilty"? Which was hte case in 2003-2003 when AMD first launched Athlon64? [00:56] 20003-2004* [00:57] oops, you know what I meant [00:57] LSD`: eh, it doesn't annoy me either (but then I don't go for the "you must call it GNU/Linux" thing either) [00:57] far as I'm concerned, Torvalds has the right to call his kernel whatever he likes, and Pat can call his OS whatever he likes [00:57] So now I have a question...what the fsck actually determines a distribution being GNU/Linux or not? [00:58] LSD`: yes there was.. the stuff that would compile cleanly because the developers had not written code that just does blind conversion from uint32 to *int or something like that [00:58] Kernel. [00:58] is Slackware a GNU/Linux Distribution? [00:58] Yes. [00:58] that's it? [00:58] LSD`: and on BW you dont need to pass extra options to ./configure [00:58] The thing that annoys me about "GNU/Linux" is that if you were to credit everyone who's work ends up in the average Linux distro you'd end up with a title that's a mile long. Simply referring to it as "Linux" is short, to the point and everytone knows precisely what you're talking about [00:58] LSD`: though.. 32bit shit has to be "handled" [00:58] Motoko-chan: nope. Not the kernel. The kernel itself is just plain "Linux", even to the most ardent FSF zealots [00:58] so they all should be called "$DISTNAME GNU/Linux" [00:59] LSD`: and my point is that that is the right thing to do.. you "handle" backwards compatibility, but the pressent system should "just work" [00:59] so it really should be "Slackware GNU/Linux" ? [00:59] That makes kittens cry [00:59] no [00:59] "Slackware Linux is a GNU/Linux system" [00:59] Motoko-chan: the GNU/ prefix is supposed to acknowledge the fact that the C library (glibc) and core utilities (binutils, coreutils, etc) came from the GNU project [00:59] omfg. [00:59] the former is a name, the later is a description [00:59] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [01:00] and since Pat has a trademark on "Slackware Linux" noone can state that it should be pronounced in any other way [01:00] good [01:00] .. as that is trademark violation [01:00] it makes sense to call debian GNU/Linux because debian can run with different kernels [01:00] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [01:00] S| (n=a@189.187.202.108) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:00] Urchlay: an about 50 other indispensible packages [01:01] petx (n=zernicov@118.96.200.168) left irc: [01:01] aceofspades19: eh, but no matter what kernel debian's running, the C library is glibc, the compiler is gcc, the ls command is the GNU one, etc etc. [01:01] macavity: what, you mean GNU/Xorg/Sun/RedHat/IBM/BSD Linux? [01:01] aceofspades19: and because Debian GNU/Linux is the official name that they have dubbed their distro [01:01] I get why GNU want to see their name in print, it just makes things more awkward than they have to be [01:01] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.159) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [01:02] macavity: that too [01:02] Urchlay: in that bunch i would only say that xorg comes close to level with GNU [01:02] LSD`: yeah, especially as they insist the G must be pronounced (so you have to say "guh-noo", sounds weird to english-speaking general populace) [01:02] LSD`: it is not as much the "name in print" part.. its the point of view that we fight for [01:03] can anyone explain to how the stable release number is higher than the development release number on wireshark right now? [01:03] macavity: *shrug*, no amount of GNU code gives them the right to dictate terms beyond those in the GPL [01:03] danc3 (n=danc3@wsip-24-120-62-66.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:03] Urchlay: i dont dictade [01:03] Urchlay: but i do say what i think the system should be called [01:04] Urchlay: and your oppinions about this being a rediculous matter cant deprive me of the right to say GNU/Linux if i please to do so [01:04] eh, I'm not arguing against you saying whatever you want [01:04] yeah and sticks and stones too suckers [01:04] SQlvpapir (n=teis@87.104.40.179) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:04] I'll call it GNU/Linux Poppycock for all I care [01:05] macavity: arguing against the idea that Pat should be forced to rename his OS to "Slackware GNU/Linux" (which isn't something you particularly were advocating even) [01:05] LSD`: personally i think the "we say open source but license with copyleft" style devs tend to be bunch of hippocrites [01:05] Urchlay: where did the whole "force" come in?!? [01:05] Skaperen_ (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] Urchlay: i belive you just invented that... [01:06] macavity: nah, but I might be remembering it from previous discussions on the subject [01:06] O_o [01:06] there has NEVER been suggested from the FSF/GNU camp that anyone should be forced to anything else than abide by the license [01:07] that much i *know* [01:07] and I think I missed the question mark at the end of this: so it really should be "Slackware GNU/Linux" ? [01:07] yeah I was just asking [01:07] (I also missed the "that makes kittens cry" that came right after...) [01:07] i really didn't understand the whole GNU/Linux title thing [01:07] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:07] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:08] I think we should all run hanna montana linux [01:08] (yes there is actually such a thing) [01:08] I *do* wish it were possible to run a Linux kernel with a BSD userspace, but that'd require a lot of porting [01:08] gennerally i just say "slackware" when i mean the distribution... and GNU/Linux when i mean any system of this recipie in general [01:08] that way i get around a lot of strife [01:09] Urchlay: from my experience with BSD i think the oposite solution makes alot more sense.. [01:09] Urchlay: funnily, that is what the Debian people are hacking on too :P [01:09] BSD kernel, GNU-flavored userspace? That also might be neat [01:09] that would be really really nice [01:09] especially with the nice BSD realtime extentions [01:10] i would just wish that the BSD guys would come up with a unified driver API [01:10] basically I'm in favor of mix-and-match (assuming everything's portable enough, it should be possible to run whatever kernel with whatever userspace, with tiny amounts of kernel-specific userspace code as glue) [01:10] the NetBSD DMA API on both Open and Free + the most common of them all [01:10] OpenSolaris kernel with Slackware userspace! How cool would that be? [01:11] oh, GNU/Solaris is being worked on too [01:11] but it does requre some propietary cruft iirc [01:11] Night-Horse (n=sheri@62.139.85.169) joined ##slackware. [01:11] am sure it does [01:12] but what's being worked on is what, debian? I want slack :) [01:12] no that is not debian doing the GNU/Solaris thing [01:13] but sure, once debians kFreeBSD port is stable, we could just re-play it with slackare [01:13] *slacwkare [01:13] *slackware [01:13] dammnit [01:13] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:16] heh. The typo on "dammit" (or "damnit") is the icing on the cake :) [01:16] xestebanx (n=xesteban@186.18.11.143) joined ##slackware. [01:18] wow [01:18] Slashdot about No Root X [01:18] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/09/2050226/Moblin-Will-Run-X-Server-As-Logged-In-User-Not-Root [01:18] eek [01:19] Urchlay: lol [01:21] macavity: does KMS actually *work* for you?? [01:21] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:21] hm, without reading article, am guessing it uses capabilities (a la libcap) [01:22] hm, from a review of a robot arm kit written in 1983: "If you are looking for a robot to fetch your slippers or wash your dog, hang on to your money for the next twenty or thirty years." [01:22] rworkman: yes.. with one exception: it kills the console half way through boot [01:22] rworkman: ... and it never comes back up [01:22] rworkman: X works fine though... [01:22] it's been 26 years, wheres my slipper-fetching robot? [01:23] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:23] rworkman: however, reading the mailing list that should be fixed with intel-2.8.0 [01:24] macavity: "my windshield turns opaque about halfway out of the driveway, but the car still drives great. [01:24] xestebanx (n=xesteban@186.18.11.143) left irc: "I e Elive" [01:24] Urchlay: heh, if everything that was predicted actually happened we'd be driving flying cars and commuting to work on Mars among millions of other crazy things :P [01:25] yeah, I know [01:25] it's the future, but still all we have is mostly the same old crap [01:25] and that's good, because the earth would be frozen and on fire at the same time. [01:26] rworkman: yes.. something like that [01:26] lol [01:26] eh, if it bothered you, you could move to Europa or something [01:26] rworkman: so my fix was to just specify UXA in xorg.conf and be happy :P [01:26] http://xkcd.com/605/ [01:26] macavity: can you show us how to spec UXA in xorg.conf? [01:27] nice [01:27] O_O [01:27] antiwire: Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" [01:27] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-162-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] macavity: that would go in the device section of the card right? [01:27] in the Device section.. right under Driver "intel" [01:27] k [01:28] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] Section "Device" \n Option "AccelMethod" "UXA" \n EndSection [01:28] iiuc, that's *all* you need in an xorg.conf - it can be otherwise empty. [01:28] what does UXA do? [01:28] UXA is the new acceleration method [01:28] hm. So errr. Seeing that guy's quit message with a e (heart character) in it, reminds me of something... [01:29] while everyone else is switching from XAA to EXA, intel is switching from EXA to UXA [01:29] rworkman, can you try using 100 frequency for your vbox? [01:29] macavity: does work good? [01:29] aceofspades19: yes [01:30] also, is there a trick for getting synaptics/ALPS touch pads detected properly under -current using the stock kernel? The pad works but xorg logs show that it is unloading synaptics and claiming there is no valid device for that driver [01:30] ... because they botched their EXA implementation.. because they insisted on writing their own GEM implementation, because they couldnt be assed to wait for the official TTM to be expanded to support GEM [01:30] I did a clean install today and I had to rebuild the kernel to fix the mouse pad [01:30] *however* now that .31 is upcomming, TTM now exports the GEM API too, so perhaps Intel will stop being so bloody damn broken [01:30] I was wrong. [01:31] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] The touch pad woulf work but since the synaptics driver wasn't loaded, side scrolling and all of the other advanced features wouldn't work [01:31] make that TImer frequency at 100 [01:31] macavity: what intel cards does it support? [01:31] in the guest kernel [01:31] juice: I downgraded to 2.2.4; I don't have time to fuck with broken shit (unless it's part of Slackware) right now. [01:31] rworkman: you still need Driver "intel" in xorg.conf? [01:31] I recompiled my kernel and now the thing won't boot [01:31] macavity: I'm not sure. I just used the "X -configure" generated one and edited it this time. It works. [01:31] rworkman, I think it is related maybe to the slackware default 250 freq timer [01:32] but they don't seem to be interested in fixing the broken thing [01:32] aceofspades19: the xf86-video-intel-2.7.1 on -current support i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G, 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 965G, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 945GME, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41 chipsets. [01:33] aceofspades19: i dont know about the upcomming 2.8.0 release.. but that probably also covers the brand spanking new HD versions [01:33] uiwell, that sucks :/ [01:33] er, juice ^^ [01:33] I'll poke at it after 13.0. Why would they expect everyone to be running 100HZ kernels?? [01:33] macavity: thats pretty interesting [01:33] rworkman, I mean only got a little help one day from klaus-vb and that has been it [01:34] and nothing he had me try helped [01:34] runes (n=runes@cpe-69-200-237-31.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:34] juice: can you file a bug about it? [01:34] aceofspades19: all the idiotic breakage seem to have come to a halt [01:34] rworkman, what does pat do with the stock kernel? [01:34] macavity: thats good [01:34] when I try to rebuild it I have to compile in ext3 support for it too boot [01:34] aceofspades19: in fact these are *very* exciting times when it comes to UNIX and graphics [01:34] but even doing that in the vbox it still fails [01:35] not understanding what i am missing there [01:35] macavity: hopefully we can put the dark age behind us [01:35] ;) [01:35] aceofspades19: the new Gallium3D driver stack from the Mesa project looks like it could become THE bread and butter for GNU/Linux as a gaming platform [01:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.190) left irc: SendQ exceeded [01:35] aceofspades19: i am not shitting you [01:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.190) joined ##slackware. [01:36] juice: I'll look into it more after 13.0 is out. Until then, I have a working vbox and that's good enough. [01:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:36] macavity: thats pretty cool [01:36] aceofspades19: it looks like for instance DircectX can be implemented natively.. and no, i am not talking some kind of translation into OpenGL or some shit like that.. but a generic write-one implementation that will have hardware acceleration all all Gallium3D supported cards/chips [01:37] macavity: that would would be pretty awesome [01:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] aceofspades19: http://www.tungstengraphics.com/technologies/gallium3d.html [01:37] http://www.freezedown.org/juice/vbox3.png [01:37] short of recompiling the stock kernel to disable CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_SYNAPTICS, is there a trick to get xorg to use the synaptics driver for my ALPS touch pad? It works fine if I recompile with that mentioned option disabled but the stock kernel fails to allow xorg to detect my touchpad [01:38] that would make it a lot easier for game developers to port games to linux [01:38] what am i missing in the kernel here .... I have ext2/3 compiled in [01:38] aceofspades19: that is, one driver for all OSes [01:38] should have fixed that error [01:38] NightHorse (n=sheri@62.139.206.47) left irc: Connection timed out [01:39] fs is ext3 [01:39] antiwire: um, did you edit /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse to remove the "proto=imps" from it? [01:39] macavity: now that would be a nice feature [01:39] aceofspades19: currently it is pretty much, one driver per chip per GL per OS [01:39] rworkman: doh. I did go into that file and read the whole thing. I thought it was supposed to stay the way it was. [01:39] I'll retest. thank you [01:40] aceofspades19: with this all the driver code and all the gl code is write-once [01:40] antiwire: edit it; modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse [01:40] juice: 64bit guest? [01:40] rworkman: thanks [01:40] aceofspades19: only the how-to-talk-to-linux and how-to-talk-to-xorg etc will have to be created on a per OS basis [01:41] juice: nevermind, that's not important if you're not using an initrd. [01:41] nope [01:41] macavity: nice, when do you think it will be ready for normal use? [01:41] rworkman: also, about your attempt at an empty xorg.conf...I messed with that too and had some mayhem ensue [01:41] I just used the src and changed 250 to 100 [01:41] and recompiled [01:41] I have to have at least a few sections myself [01:41] it failed went back and added ext2/3 to be built in rather than mods [01:41] for synaptics options and nvidia [01:42] annd it still fails which last time I had that issue that fixed it [01:42] juice: I don't know; I'll have to rebuild myself and check. [01:42] bbiam; rebooting to see if kms is still shit. [01:42] hmm k [01:44] aceofspades19: the i915simple driver (which covers 915 and 945 variants) should *supposedly* be in usable condidtion [01:44] aceofspades19: however, since these are rather braindamaged chips, that means software rendering anyway [01:44] macavity: so its not a huge improvement? [01:45] aceofspades19: but it proves the model works.. as all fixed function graphics cards will need to fall back to software rendering for all missing features [01:45] you want to talk about brain damaged? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [01:45] aceofspades19: *however* all graphics cards that support vertex/pixel shaders should see an *enourmus* benefit from this model [01:46] aceofspades19: currently i cant tell you.. i must be too stupid to compile this, as when i install gallium, glx refuses to load :-/ [01:46] aceofspades19: but as soon as i get something working right, dont worry, i will talk you all to death about it ;-) [01:47] eh. I was gonna ask... how the heck do I get the man command to display proper unicode stuff? My font has (c) (copyright) symbol in it (I can see it if someone says it in IRC) [01:48] with LANG=en_US.UTF-8, I get "Copyright ý 2009" (the no-glyph character) [01:48] http://rlworkman.net/kms_still_shit.jpg [01:48] sorry, that's with en_US, with en_US.UTF-8 I get Copyright 2009 with the being inverse video [01:49] Urchlay: see /usr/lib/man.conf [01:49] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [01:49] rworkman: what am i looking for in that picture? [01:49] hm. 'tis in /usr/lib64, is that the right place for it? [01:50] macavity: um, it's not obvoius?? [01:50] I have a 1024x768 "desktop" on a 1280x800 desktop. [01:50] and it *ain't* supposed to be that way. [01:50] macavity: gotcha [01:50] rworkman, what'st the screenshot of? [01:50] Urchlay: yes [01:50] ah, roger [01:51] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.177) joined ##slackware. [01:51] rworkman: upgrade to .30 [01:51] shit [01:51] rworkman: seriously... .29.x has broken KMS [01:51] rworkman: it is a known issue [01:51] hmm [01:51] juice: 2.6.30.1 with KMS oon xorg-1.6.2 and intel driver 2.6.99.901 [01:51] macavity: ^ [01:51] k [01:52] hey just a heads up..someone else might find this out the hard way 2.6.30.* + nvidia + kde4 = no kde4 effects [01:52] rworkman: i hope that is 2.7.99.9.901? [01:52] err.. minus .9. [01:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:52] i am on 2.7.1 here [01:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [01:52] macavity: yes, 2.7.99.901 [01:52] and 2.8 is about to get out the door :P [01:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:53] macavity: I had to pull a patch from git to build it on xorg-server 1.6.2 [01:53] rworkman: you have na 830 right? [01:53] macavity: Does upgrading to the newer mesa package in current testing/ require any of steps? like a kernel rebuild or x rebuild? [01:53] and that's a clusterfuck too. [01:53] any extra steps*** [01:53] macavity: no. 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) [01:53] antiwire: upgradepkg and you are all good to go [01:53] antiwire: no [01:53] k [01:54] rworkman: oh.. yes, that is probably broken [01:54] s/probably/ [01:54] eeerrhh... aye sir! [01:54] The only distributions that can even be close to happy with the current abortion known as xorg are the "rolling release" people. [01:54] Do you guys go through a few days or maybe a week at a time when you feel like everything is broken? [01:55] antiwire: it's been months. [01:55] hahaha [01:55] i'm at that point right now. [01:55] I get that feeling a lot [01:55] The xorg, gnome, and policykit guys could break a fucking titanium anvil. [01:55] antiwire: on the xorg front i have been fighting an uphill battle since Slackware11 [01:56] rworkman: that was awesome. [01:56] i really loled [01:56] antiwire: it is not untill the very latest -current updates + home roll kernel + latest stable mesa that i have what i want [01:56] but now i can play HD video and spin the cube at the same time [01:56] and everything looks nice [01:56] and the thing is, I'm not really badmouthing them even if it sounds like I am. They're in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation too. The "old" way is unmaintainable and/or broken, and to fix it, they have to push lots more breakage. [01:56] .. and i am not even toasing my CPU over it [01:57] rworkman: exactly [01:57] rworkman: sometimes it is "no pain, no gain" [01:58] rworkman, yeah gnome is pushing all these new ways and it might break 1 or 2 apps but makes then rest work how they should, then everyone complains about the 1 or 2 and they are like weren't not fixing it deal with it heh [01:58] and having read a shit load of mailing list entries lately, i am fully in rank with what is going on [01:58] But sometimes it seems they are into pain. [01:58] i just think Intel were a *little* heavy handed, and a *little* less of a team player to begin with [01:58] ie the gnome root terminal no longer works with gksu gnome-terminal but every other app gksu still works with basically [01:58] perhaps :) [01:58] .. but now all seems nice and dandy [01:59] so, when GEM'ified TTM hits the next kernel tree... lets see hell break lose again [01:59] I don't know how anyone *not* following the mailing list for some of these projects could even begin to get things right. [01:59] breakage all over the freaking place is *bound* to happen :P [01:59] cudaman73 (n=m3r1k@adsl-66-140-105-3.dsl.lbcktx.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [02:00] rworkman: lol.. honnestly, those that dont follow the mailing list usually talk about Intel's conspiracy to make sure Windows stays the gaming platform ;-) [02:01] hehe [02:01] rworkman: 2 questions, now that you seem available. 1) is there *any* chance that Slack 13 is gonna be delayed like a month or two, and include major changes since the RC was tagged? eg. if you (team) dont feel its ready 2) are you (SBo team) gonna update all the script to match x86_64 too yourself or do you expect the maintainers to fix em too (if theyre still actually maintaining them) ? [02:02] rworkman: but i cant wait for KMS to work on all chips [02:02] rworkman: then we can finnaly ditch the suid root on X [02:03] sahko: re 13.0 release, I don't know, but I doubt it. [02:04] sahko: re SBo, we're about halfway through the repo now, and we'll just have to see how it goes from here. [02:04] bbiab; rebooting to get rid of this kmsabortion [02:04] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:05] sahko: remember that we also have slackware64 on board now [02:05] sahko: that has seen a lot less testing, so the time from rc1 to Stable will naturally be somewhat longer than usual [02:06] yes probably [02:06] although personally, as a -current user i am not in a hurry [02:06] this is a fun bug [02:06] http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17970 [02:06] How to swap the Control and Caps Lock keys on slackware? [02:07] adeodatus: in console or in X? [02:07] seems intel graphics wont be fixed any time soon anyway, according to what you say too. no point in waiting for that to happen [02:07] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-68-101.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] in console [02:08] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] eek.. that i dont know [02:08] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) left irc: "Fui embora" [02:08] custom keyboard layout [02:09] sahko: intel works very nice for me at the moment [02:09] it would be possibly quite ugly [02:09] hey I'm using -current, I lost my xinitrc.xfce ahhhh [02:09] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) joined ##slackware. [02:09] matt0: grab it from a mirror? [02:09] macavity: with the versions (xorg etc) in -current or later? [02:09] How [02:10] matt0: its probally inside the xfce package? [02:10] adeodatus: Maybe this will help: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/113715 [02:10] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:10] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-64-234.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:10] matt0: /etc/xfce/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc [02:11] matt0: that is where /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce points anyways [02:11] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) joined ##slackware. [02:11] matt0: we are talking about your ~/.xinitrc symlink that has gone broken, right? [02:11] macavity, so it was just a symlink? [02:11] /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce [02:12] yes.. where does that point to? [02:12] its just a symlink, as macavity said [02:13] wtf, /etc/xfce/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc is the fluxbox xinitrc [02:13] I stuffed something up :( [02:13] hi all [02:13] hi [02:13] That couldn't have been easy to do, matt0 [02:14] Exhibit A in "why you shouldn't do routine stuff as root" [02:14] I know, last thing I remember doing was 'cp xinitrc.openbox /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc [02:14] ' [02:14] make backups. [02:15] matt0: ls -l /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc <-- will show you what happened :) [02:15] So.... how do I extract a 'txz' package? [02:15] matt0: the same as a tgz [02:16] tar xf pkg.txz path/to/file/inside/package [02:16] that will pull the entire dir structure [02:16] oh, its not exactly the same [02:16] vpsr ps5793 [02:17] note the *lack* of a leading "/" on that "path" [02:17] how is it not the same? [02:17] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:0:4137:9e50:28c9:67a:379a:8df6) left irc: "Fui embora" [02:17] oh man, this is priceless [02:17] i didnt know that when you copy to a symlink it is followed [02:17] juice: okay, I gave in. I'm building a new 1000Hz kernel now. [02:17] i just thought it was over writeen :P [02:17] XGizzmo: ok it is. :p [02:17] not 1000 [02:17] For some undefinable reason I really like the latest 2600 magazine cover [02:17] 100 [02:18] http://www.2600.com/covers/su091.gif [02:18] rworkman, use 100 not 1000 [02:18] macavity: and now you understand why all the doinst.sh scripts do ( rm -rf somewhere ; ln -s ../somewhere somewhere ) [02:18] juice: no, I'm going to test 1000, as that's the kernel default unless you specify otherwise in the .config [02:19] oh you mean src? [02:19] if it works, then that's easy to convice Pat to use, since it's the kernel default [02:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.190) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:19] and pat changes to 250 [02:19] rworkman: yes, i do! [02:19] oh man, this is priceless [02:19] well I can tell you this there is a bug on that [02:19] about 1000 not working [02:19] some 10 years of 'nixing and it doesnt dawn on me untill now :-) [02:20] juice: well, damn. Compiling now anyway. If it works, great; if not, tough shit. VBox needs to make their shit work with kernel defaults. [02:20] Good, I've extracted the xinitrc from the xfce package :) [02:20] rworkman, heh [02:20] klaus told me the host can be whatever but the guest has to be equal to or less than host [02:20] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [02:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] i am bloody glad that rm doesnt follow the sysmlink :P [02:20] otherwise i would have lost everything more than once by now [02:20] juice: I'm rebuilding the *host* kernel. [02:21] okay [02:21] and then I'll see what the stock kernel on guest does, and then put the host kernel on the guest and try that. [02:21] Some Linux guests may cause a high CPU load even if the guest system appears to be idle. This can be caused by a high timer frequency of the guest kernel. Some Linux distributions, for example Fedora, ship a Linux kernel configured for a timer frequency of 1000Hz. We recommend to recompile the guest kernel and to select a timer frequency of 100Hz. [02:21] Ideally, it will be fine -- I suspect that everyone else uses the 1000Hz timer, so it's well tested. [02:21] errr [02:21] I'm still trying to grasp "( rm -rf somewhere ; ln -s ../somewhere somewhere )" [02:21] fuck [02:21] I was sitting here staring at that yesterday too [02:22] i was trying to paste the link [02:22] sorry about that [02:22] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-139-1.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] rworkman, tickless! [02:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnlWqJsOq-0 [02:22] rworkman, klaus also told me to disable tickless because the log said it was being used [02:22] ok.. i am reading the slashdot article about non-root-x [02:23] and I was like it isn't even supported in the kernel [02:23] so that seemed odd to me [02:23] and now i am more confused than ever about who runs the server and who runs the client [02:23] I tried booting the kernel with using the basic timer and it still didn't help [02:23] can someone explain this to me: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1297807&cid=28642289 [02:24] lol [02:24] if i run MATLAB on a remote machine, isnt that machine running both the server and app, but i am running the client? [02:24] antiwire: http://pastebin.ca/1490450 [02:24] juice: he's wrong [02:24] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Hello! [02:25] Hi pri4pus [02:25] tickless ain't in our kernel, and it ain't gonna be for now. [02:25] tickless is in my kernel.. and it has been there for ages, and i intent to keep running it that way, as it improves my graphical throuput *substantially* [02:25] liberty $ zgrep NO_HZ /proc/config.gz [02:25] # CONFIG_NO_HZ is not set [02:26] rworkman, that is what I said that tickless wasn't being used he said sometimes it can cause issues [02:26] when? [02:26] i get it! [02:26] only obscure old device drivers fuck up with it [02:26] notably those that dont have an active maintainer [02:26] vzoric (n=vzoric@pehta.tustelekom.si) joined ##slackware. [02:27] hi, can someone give me slapt-getrc i need for current version of packages [02:27] plonk [02:27] lol [02:27] fail [02:28] vzoric: slapt-get kills peoples systems [02:28] now, now [02:28] slapt-get is fine; it's the users that suck. [02:28] vzoric: define "current" [02:28] slapt-get is fine when it enters mainline slackware [02:28] hehe [02:28] macavity: well i wanted to upgrade my kde to latest version and now kde isn't working [02:28] and not a single seccond before [02:28] it has some problem with libraries [02:29] vzoric: no shit.. this is not debian [02:29] i figured out [02:29] vzoric: you managed to ignore *VOLUMES* of warnings about using -current packages on -stable releases. [02:29] what can i do? [02:29] Go to /usr/doc/slapt-get-* and read every file in there. [02:29] vzoric: back up your user data [02:29] macavity: i already did [02:29] but i still want to have kde 4.2.4 [02:30] sigh [02:30] vzoric: then download the unofficial DVD iso of -current from ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso and do a clean re-install [02:30] YOU CANNOT USE PACKAGES FROM -CURRENT (SLACKWARE'S DEVELOPMENT TREE) ON A STABLE (LIKE 12.2) RELEASE OF SLACKWARE. [02:31] vzoric: and from then on you stick to using slackpkg and sbopkg so you wont break your system [02:31] It doesn't matter what you want. I want a pony, and a Eliza Dushku to join my wife and me in a threesome. [02:31] rworkman: so i cannot have latest kde on my 12.2 slack ? [02:31] No. [02:31] Well, not from official Slackware packages. [02:31] vzoric: also, if you track -current you use slackpkg --upgrade-all [02:32] rworkman: heh.. i want Megan Fox :P [02:32] rworkman, and I take it the wife put an axe in that one [02:32] macavity: :) [02:32] juice: i think Eliza Dushku beat the wife to it ;-) [02:32] lol [02:33] juice: actually, that thought began with me saying "You know, Eliza Dushku is cute." My wife said "Cute? Robby, *I* would do her." And so it began. [02:33] speaking of her, DollHouse was a good series imho [02:33] Note that my wife isn't into girls *at* *all* [02:33] lol [02:33] So if I ever get the opportunity, I'm going to call her bluff. [02:33] Action: macavity looks for google images of Eliza Dushku [02:34] I'm ground floor...my fairly dim neighbor on the 2nd floor has had their stove exhaust fan running for two days straight now [02:34] I'd hit that like the hand of an *angry* god. [02:34] it's starting to get really annoying [02:35] heh [02:35] antiwire: go down there and say "listen, i know that you are hitting the bong hard in the kitchen.. in fact, everyone knows that, so will you *please* just turn that fan off, as we would rather have it smell like a mexican tequela bar than listen to that?" [02:35] lol [02:36] she does smoke in her apartment [02:36] and it reeks [02:36] and no, she is not hot [02:36] Eliza Dushku was the "weird" cheerleader in "Bring It On" - I think my infatuation with her developed from that movie. [02:37] rworkman: wow.. she surely grew up to become a nice young woman [02:37] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-124-136.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:37] rworkman: i just saw her in a The Long Kiss Goodnight yesterday [02:37] macavity, http://content9.flixster.com/photo/11/49/19/11491991_ori.jpg [02:37] oh dang [02:37] sheesh [02:38] juice: id bang her [02:38] that's not even the better one [02:38] Well quit holding out on us then [02:38] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:38] there a couple better pics but you can google them. lol [02:39] http://twilleyhome.net/myshows/fast%20picks/Wallpaper/Maxim%20-%20Eliza%20Dushku%204.jpg [02:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:39] why would we do that when we have you to google and paste links for us? [02:39] http://honeywine.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/eliza-dushku-maxim-0309-002.jpg [02:39] we trust your judgement :) [02:40] rworkman: when I reproduce what you have in that pastebin, for line 5 I don't get the double trailing slashes at the end. I only get 1 [02:40] what does that mean? [02:40] http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/theremoteisland/2008/12/01-07/171677MAX_Wallpapers_Beauties_0149_Eliza_Dushku.jpg [02:40] ah crap I see. I was 1 level up [02:40] /sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 is not a symbolic link [02:41] she has no hips [02:41] my imagination tells me that she likes to be tied up and whipped and { - freenode automatic cencorship has killed 12 lines of questionable material - } [02:41] Who cares? [02:41] what?!? [02:41] haha [02:42] when did freenode start doing that?!? [02:42] okay she has a tattoo and I can't read it [02:42] wtf? [02:42] hmm ... [02:42] 12 lines? [02:42] eliza dushku? [02:42] she looks buttugly [02:42] I'd butt uglies with her. [02:42] okay this pic isn't totally work safe... but can anyone read the tattoo [02:42] rworkman, you butt uglies with monica lewinsky [02:42] http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/theremoteisland/2009/04/eliza-dushku-nude-allure-01.jpg [02:42] I wonder if uniball has ever thought about getting tom green or lance armstrong to be spokesmen. [02:43] jeev: http://thingsididlastnight.com [02:43] juice, my left toe looks cuter than her [02:43] lol rworkman [02:43] juice: nope.. not hight enough image quality [02:43] jeev, she is alright she isn't my fantasy ... I am only helping out these other gents [02:43] s/quality/resolution/ [02:43] :) [02:43] I THINK MY BILLY MAYS KEY IS STUCK.. [02:44] SOOO STUUUCK [02:44] macavity: now I'm curious. Pastebin what got killed up there [02:44] http://www.money-moguls.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/carrie-underwood2.jpg [02:44] rworkman: sucka! :P [02:44] she's one of my top 10 [02:45] macavity: haha [02:45] i dont remember the other 9 but she's up there [02:45] I wondered. [02:45] jeev, let me guess this one is ugly too [02:45] Honestly, I was bummed when I heard Billy Mays died. Not quite as bummed as I was when Mr. Wizard or Mr. Rogers died but still bummed. [02:45] http://www.sexyfemaleabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/brittany-daniel-the-game-abs.jpg [02:45] Yeah, I'd let my wife watch me do Carrie Underwood. [02:45] carrie underwood is drop dead beautiful [02:45] like my girlfriend [02:45] ;) [02:45] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.177) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:45] rworkman: knowing what i would have said if it wasnt in the main channel you bought it for just a seccond, didnt you? :P [02:45] rworkman, check the topic.. this channel is publicly logged! [02:46] macavity: maybe ;-) [02:46] jeev: I've already told her that. [02:46] oh ahha [02:46] rworkman: actually i was just about to type it out loud.. but remembered that ive been told to keep the details a little down by both a user and an op [02:46] ah [02:47] hey 3 for the price of 1 [02:47] http://www.getincensed.com/wp-content/uploads/4_dahm_triplets_63.jpg [02:47] ok those girls are ugly [02:47] you have terrible taste! [02:47] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Hey if you ever flew with them you could say your following the 3-1-1 rules [02:48] rworkman: i fully understand that some people would rather not like to know what goes on inside the head of BDSM'ers.. just the same is i dont like to hear too much detail when it comes to male homosexual conquest [02:48] i assure you , you will laugh http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistahardware/thread/720108ee-0a9c-4090-b62d-bbd5cb1a7605 [02:48] init[1], saw it the other day heh [02:48] So what I see happening in that ln example is that when creating a symlink to a target, if the link to be created exists as a symlink to another directory, the new symlink is created in the existing links dereferenced target [02:48] that's a mouth full [02:48] antiwire: correct [02:49] juice: clones?!? [02:49] macavity: I agree :) [02:49] macavity, no you turd.. get out of the future [02:49] macavity, nah there real [02:49] i've seen them on tv before [02:49] jeev: you have issues. [02:49] :P [02:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-10.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:49] rworkman, welcome to my life [02:49] ! [02:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-131.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] jeev: huh? [02:50] nevermind macavity [02:50] jeev, well since your g/f is so much hotter than all of these women then I must see this pic [02:50] pics or it never happened [02:50] never [02:50] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] and if you can't produce then I call your bluff [02:50] lol [02:50] i didnt say hotter, my girlfriend is NOT hot [02:50] she is rarely hot.. my girlfriend is beautiful [02:50] hot = temporary like my ex, until the make up is off [02:50] heh [02:50] beautiful = no need for make up, amazing to look at at all times [02:51] hot == looks horny [02:51] true [02:51] heh [02:51] beutiful == looks good [02:51] those two are not mutually exclusive [02:51] on the contratry :P [02:51] macavity, nice [02:51] you know like hot...in heat [02:51] vzoric (n=vzoric@pehta.tustelekom.si) left irc: "leaving" [02:52] this POS dlink my friend has [02:52] fine there hot== phat "pretty hot and tempting" :) [02:52] wifi router.. loses connectivity , i cant find a keepalive option [02:52] what router? [02:52] jeev: what model? [02:52] DIR-615 [02:52] haha [02:53] juice: well, 1000Hz host + 250Hz guess = stillfucked [02:53] k [02:54] However, I just determined that guest kernel is NOT relevant. Sitting in the lilo screen, top shows 100% cpu [02:54] Nick change: Guest26711 -> pragma_ [02:54] http://foodcourtlunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hot-chick.jpg [02:54] hot and beutifyll [02:54] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.177) joined ##slackware. [02:54] Action: macavity cant neither spell nor type [02:55] macavity, she's OK.. [02:55] she has a ghetto look to her [02:55] haha i was about to say all she's missing are hoop earings [02:55] i looked again and she had them [02:55] rworkman, yes I know [02:55] i wastrying to tell them that too [02:56] rworkman, you can make the cpu drop though once it loads [02:56] http://funnyflux.com/wp-content/uploads/100708/Carmen_Electra.jpg [02:56] by disabling acpi [02:56] which seems odd to me [02:57] Screw it. [02:57] OH MY GOD [02:57] http://media.photobucket.com/image/beautiful%20girl/tedmertz/beautiful.jpg [02:57] just hot: http://www.anecdotoff.com/uploads/posts/2008-02/thumbs/1202162048_really-hot-chick.jpg [02:57] macavity, yea but looik at what i pasted [02:57] tell me she's not beautiful [02:58] she is not my cup of tea [02:58] wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [02:58] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.177) left irc: Client Quit [02:58] jeev on pppoe? [02:58] she looks like shes knee deep in wood putty from the look of all that foundation shes got on [02:58] for the keep alive? [02:58] nice rack though [02:58] I'm not into bolt ons [02:58] frullet: exactly [02:58] Maximum Idle Time: Enter a maximum idle time during which the Internet connection is maintained during inactivity [02:59] that what you want? [02:59] that girl barely looks like she has make up [02:59] her eyes + teeth = wow [02:59] hahahah some guy left a message look at it [02:59] saying please call me ahhahaha [03:00] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-124-136.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:00] i think everyone who was talking is now rubbing one out to her [03:01] jeev I found the keep alive settings [03:01] i think not [03:01] liar! [03:01] juice, where [03:01] if she took off the eye shade: http://yousonice.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/redhair.jpg [03:01] night all, going to try and go back to sleep. [03:01] now THAT is my cup of tea :-)~~~ [03:01] under pppoe [03:01] and removed the bondo [03:01] XGizzmo: sleep tiht [03:01] err [03:01] bondo? [03:01] or what ever you use [03:01] oh, it's not dsl though [03:02] she's ok macavity [03:02] its called maximum idle time [03:02] she's got more bondo than a vw bus [03:02] maximum [03:02] what is "bondo"? [03:02] body filler [03:02] for car wrecks [03:03] but.. she is all dressed [03:03] how can you see body filler?!? [03:03] her face is covered in it [03:03] look http://www.jimwcoleman.com/photoblog/5%20090306%20naked%20door%20and%20fender%20bondo.jpg [03:03] juice, i think it's just a bad router [03:03] it keeps having to be unplugged [03:03] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "Urgent Meeting .. cya soon" [03:04] hmm [03:04] maybe [03:04] ok.. i cant tell [03:07] all i know compiling this kernel in vbox when it is using 100 cpu takes forever [03:07] bah [03:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.23.33) joined ##slackware. [03:09] heh [03:10] juice: are you crazy? [03:10] for? [03:10] for compiling a kernel in vb? [03:10] macavity: In konq, if you make a new tab, or switch from one tab to the next, does the toolbars blank out for a short time? It does for me. [03:10] sure [03:11] good night [03:11] it doesn't mess with my host [03:11] i have no lag at all [03:11] it just as the processor heated up [03:11] s/as/has [03:11] 73C [03:13] fire|bird: yes, it "blinks" during the redraw [03:13] fire|bird: are you on an intel graphics too? [03:13] macavity: no, nvidia. [03:14] ok.. then it is probably a Qt issue [03:14] It lasts about 2-3 seconds, then it's fine. [03:15] ok, here it just "flashes" on tab switch [03:15] ctrl-, and ctrl-. switches tabs left and right [03:15] so i loaded up four media heavy sites and switced between them [03:16] here it flashes with making a new tab too, ctrl + t [03:16] and with switching tabs, but with switching, it doesn't occur all the time. [03:17] if i only load local files/dirs in it, it doesnt flash when i switch tabs [03:17] it has to be complex content [03:18] but then again.. i have a nice CPU :P [03:18] :) [03:19] macavity, what do you think of this outfit on the girl she was at defcon 12 [03:19] http://freezedown.com/defcon/view_photo.php?set_albumName=defcon12&id=conpix_jac_133 [03:19] juice: nice "clothes" :P [03:20] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:21] fire|bird: i think the 2x1GB 667MHz CL3 RAM running dual channel might have something to do with it too [03:21] fire|bird: not many laptops have that :P [03:24] Hmm, I just tried with konq having just slackware.com and slackbuilds.org open, the toolbars still blink, so maybe not web site content related, at least here anyway. [03:24] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [03:25] I just tried disabling all kde4 effects, and it still blinks. [03:26] fire|bird: try disabling compositing altogether in xorg.conf [03:26] fire|bird: Also, do you have a desktop folder view setup? [03:26] try disabling that widget for now, just as a test. [03:27] antiwire: yeah, I have a desktop folderview on the desktop. [03:27] ok [03:28] antiwire: disabling the folder view widget helped, but it still blinks. I have some other widgets, I'll try disabling them. [03:29] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:29] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:29] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.10) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:29] ok, all widgets disabled, still blinks, but the blink is alot faster. [03:29] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.196) joined ##slackware. [03:29] I'll try disabling compositing. [03:29] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:31] brb [03:31] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:32] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-139-1.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:32] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:32] antiwire: that did it. :) [03:33] antiwire: thanks [03:33] How it comes that after executing mkdir makaka; umask 0777; rm makaka -r the file is deleted? [03:34] How it comes that after executing mkdir makaka; umask 0777; touch makaka; rm makaka -r the file is deleted? [03:34] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-140-171.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:34] fire|bird: just remember, it's all broken...all of it!!! [03:34] because you deleted it? [03:34] heh [03:35] all is broken. dang, that's alot of broken stuff. [03:35] fluxbox isn't [03:35] dive: agreed. [03:35] :D [03:36] antiwire: the message "because you deleted it?" is adressed to me? [03:36] y0 nix_chix0r [03:36] pri4pus: yes [03:36] hai [03:36] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-140-171.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:36] dive: I've been using the diversity theme, it's working excellent now. [03:36] nix_chix0r: how are you? [03:36] by the way - anyway looking for a decent x clipboard prog - parcellite on sf.net is pretty good [03:36] antiwire: But after umask 0777 , ls -l makaka gives d---------, so I have no permissions for it. [03:37] hi nix_chix0r [03:37] i'm fantatstic:) how are you guys [03:37] a bit bleary eyed [03:37] pri4pus: As I understand it, you're still the owner [03:38] dive: have you ever seen tenr.de for flux styles? [03:38] fire|bird, i had a quick look but very quick only [03:38] antiwire: OK, but there is no permissions for the owner: "---". [03:38] I have loads.. [03:38] dive: there's a TON of styles on there. [03:39] antiwire: Acording to ls -l makaka I am the ownere, but hte owner has no rights over that file, it is: "d---------" [03:39] you're the owner though [03:40] antiwire: But doesn't that mean that the things doesn't work right? How it comes that the owner has no rights over that file but he still is able to delete it or whatever. [03:40] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] pri4pus: do this: mkdir test && chmod 000 test && rm -r test [03:41] it works how it is supposed to work [03:41] pri4pus, if what you say is possible and you ae root, you could create a file/dir that not even root could rm [03:41] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] there is no "delete" flag [03:42] there is read, write and execute [03:42] dive: No. I mean that for a regular user that is alittle bit strange. [03:42] no it's not strange [03:42] it works how it is supposed to work. you own the directory and it is inside a dir you also own... [03:42] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:42] so you can delete it [03:43] unlinking a file has nothing to do with neither reading, writing or executing it [03:43] antiwire: OMG, you are right. :-) [03:43] antiwire: Stupid me! [03:44] remember that rm does not delete content.. it just "unhinges" the inode from the directory [03:44] pri4pus: if you don't want the user to be able to delete it, have root take ownership and change the perms accordingly [03:44] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:44] vzoric (n=vzoric@pehta.tustelekom.si) joined ##slackware. [03:44] vzoric: have you managed to unbreak your computer? :P [03:45] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) joined ##slackware. [03:45] antiwire, dont you sleep? [03:45] we never sleep. :) [03:45] slak: go troll elsewhere, you already failed once [03:45] macavity: i did yes [03:45] wanna go round 2? [03:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [03:45] vzoric: good :-) [03:45] antiwire, dont be rude [03:45] slak: computers dont sleep [03:45] macavity: but i don't know how to upgrade to kde 4.2.4 on slack 12.2 [03:45] slak: and we are the resident support programs [03:46] slak: I won't be rude if you won't be rude either. Deal? [03:46] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [03:46] vzoric: you cannot have 4.2.4 on 12.2, you need to upgrade to slackware current. [03:47] vzoric: for that to work you need to upgrade a shit load of packages (that is, compile your own) before you can get to install a shit load of support libraries needed for kde4 (also compile your own), and then you need to install kde4 - and guess what, you need to compile your own [03:47] vzoric: sure he can.. he just cant get binary packages without using lp.net [03:47] macavity: i.e. easier to install -current. ;) [03:47] fire|bird: yes [03:47] omg, slackware package system isn't friendly [03:47] it's very friendly. [03:47] friendly enough for me [03:47] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [03:48] on debian its easy [03:48] vzoric: its because of the new glibc [03:48] :) [03:48] lol [03:48] macavity: is there any tutorial how-to upgrade to "current" [03:48] vzoric: on debian someone went out of their way to support "gradual upgrade" [03:48] vzoric: the standard answer is, if you want debian then use debian... [03:48] when doing an upgrade, I just reformat root and install the new version - helps to have /home on a separate partition [03:48] vzoric: getting from 12.2 to -current is rather tricky at this point [03:49] just as easy as debian [03:49] antiwire: its not the point if everything is managed easily [03:49] vzoric: as i said last time you were here: clean re-install [03:49] macavity: no, i cannot do that, its too much important files there [03:49] and softwares.. [03:49] touch luck [03:49] backup [03:49] vzoric: or keep /home separate and keep your files there [03:49] vzoric: back them up and then clean install. [03:49] *tough [03:50] vzoric: Slackware is managed easily, you just don't understand it yet. You probably feel the same way I felt when I tried to use Debian for the first time and found out that every single task was scripted to hell. [03:50] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [03:50] antiwire: yes ;) [03:50] vzoric, read these: [03:50] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [03:50] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT [03:50] with scripts for scripts that manage scripts when scripts aren't needed [03:50] dive: NOES [03:51] why not? [03:51] dive: they do not exactly apply to 12.2 -> -current [03:51] oh? [03:51] vzoric: So bascially, you learned how to use debian and now you'll learn more about what the debian people do for you because after all, debian didn't get to be the way it is without at least *someone* knowing how it works... [03:51] glibc-solibs is in the new txz format [03:52] antiwire: i agree with you [03:52] antiwire, when did i fail? [03:52] .. and the new tar with xz support requires the new glibc-solibs iirc [03:52] macavity: but is there any way to upgrade it without clean reinstall [03:52] vzoric: hang on.. i am investigating [03:52] slak: you attempted the age old pam flame, flipped sides twice and then became quiet. [03:52] macavity: ok, ty [03:52] I just use slackpkg [03:54] dive: did slackpkg do the right thing from 12.2 to -current? [03:54] I didn't jump straight to recent current - I already had 2 month old -current on it [03:55] but yes it worked fine afaict [03:55] macavity: http://devcodex.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/kde-4-2-4-on-slackware-12-2/ what about this link [03:55] it tells how-to upgrade kde on 12.2 [03:57] lol [03:57] quote from that page "I discovered a neat apt clone for Slackware called slapt-get..." [03:57] vzoric: that was before glibc and whatnot got upgraded on -current and KDE got recompiled against that [03:57] macavity: let him do it. [03:57] forget about it [03:57] dive: that is the problem [03:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:58] dive: glibc-solibs-2.9-i486-3.txz [03:59] dive: so, either one builds the new tar and vx and pkgtools from source and install them on 12.2, or things blow up [03:59] *xz [03:59] that link also claims that slapt-get requires slackpkg as a dep [03:59] that's not correct. [03:59] How good is the idea to to set chmod 700 to all files in /home/user ? [03:59] no, that link is written by a crackpot [04:00] theres also a post 'since slackpkg does dependency checking...' [04:00] pri4pus: not a good idea [04:00] I had to comment [04:00] vzoric: that link you posted is full of shit. [04:00] macavity: But /home/user/Desktop ? [04:00] vzoric: please only go by approved slackware documentation [04:00] anyway it is no good just installing packages like that - you either compile yourself or install ALL -current [04:00] pri4pus: why would you want 777?!? [04:00] macavity: there is no :( [04:01] pri4pus: 770 sounds more like it [04:01] vzoric: Don't you take that as a hint? [04:01] macavity: Not 777 but 700 [04:01] vzoric: do you know how to use slackbuilds? [04:01] pri4pus: oh, that might work [04:01] vzoric, why don't you upgrade to -current fully? [04:01] Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:01] cya [04:01] dive: he cant without a reinstall.. or at least building some custom parts [04:02] vzoric: do you know how to use a .SlackBuild? [04:02] macavity: So it is ok even for /home/user? I read a book with tip on how to secure the system. [04:02] pri4pus: yes [04:02] macavity: not rally [04:02] macavity: Nice! Thank you! [04:02] really* [04:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Here I go"). [04:02] antiwire: it does, yes [04:03] vzoric: so, you want to do a heart transplant, but you are not a doctor? :P [04:03] macavity: something like that ;) [04:03] well, i will make it work ;-) [04:03] I say do it, a little squirting blood will teach you a lot. [04:03] vzoric: figure out how to use the .SlackBuild files for tar, xz and pkgtools from the -current/source/ directory [04:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.23.33) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:04] vzoric: when you have upgraded those packages with your own home-compiled versions, then you can call slackpkg --update && slackpkg --upgrade-all [04:05] hehe ok [04:05] vzoric: naturally you need to point /etc/slackpkg/mirrors to a -current repository [04:05] macavity: What about system configuration files in /home/user ? Some of them have only -rw------- permissions... some -rw-r--r-- [04:05] let me try ;-) [04:05] macavity: what version is his base OS right now? 12.2? [04:05] vzoric: do NOT attempt to use precompiled packages from current on 12.2 at this point in time [04:05] vzoric: are we 100% clear on this? [04:05] antiwire: yes [04:05] pri4pus: it doesnt matter [04:06] you cant install them anyway. [04:06] pri4pus: they have been created with your default umask [04:06] macavity: OK. Thank you again! [04:07] spook: iirc tar and xv is still in .tgz format, but will blow up once installed due to being linked to glibc-2.9 [04:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.41.145) joined ##slackware. [04:07] he could do an upgrade if used the install media and used the UPGRADE.txt as a loose guide as long as he is armed with the knowledge about pkgtools, tar and xz [04:07] pri4pus: any time [04:07] macavity: Oh, one more question. Is it OK to change a user umask defaults to 0700? Or it would be better to live it as it is? [04:07] antiwire: the problem is that he is not [04:07] antiwire: and that there is no clear upgrade path any more [04:07] so then he should not even do anything of this really [04:07] macavity: Sorry, I meant 0077. [04:07] it totally doable from the install media though [04:08] pri4pus: yeah, was gonna say, 0700 is a mighty odd umask [04:08] easiest way surely is download a -current iso if he has home on a separate partition? [04:08] pri4pus: if your homedir is locked, then technically there is no point in bugging with umask [04:08] absolutely do able but you need to pay attention and know wtf you're doing and it would be a much better sign if the person asking about it wasn't saying "slackware package management is unfriendly" [04:09] macavity: yes i am [04:09] dive: yes.. but he insist on not listening to reason [04:09] easiest way is to sync the package tree locally [04:09] macavity: i will manage to upgrade kde 4.2.4 [04:09] brb [04:09] macavity: Locked? [04:09] sigh [04:09] haha [04:09] vzoric: sure hing [04:09] YES [04:09] go for it dude [04:09] gogogo [04:09] vzoric: if you're going away, make sure to change your nick to vzoric_away [04:10] lol [04:10] vzoric: you either compile some packages and upgrade to -current, or you compile a *shitload* of packages to get your own KDE4 [04:10] vzoric: or, you and I make a bet of $1000 about how it is going to go if you attempt to install the KD4 packages on your 12.2 [04:10] i want in on this [04:10] Action: macavity bets pkgtools is going to stop you from harming your system [04:11] antiwire: go find your own morron to rip off ;-) [04:11] lol [04:11] but i have to run now [04:11] macavity: hehe [04:12] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:12] macavity: i will let you know as soon as i manage to upgrade it ;-) [04:12] cya in a year [04:12] :) [04:12] hey hackers. how is it going? [04:13] pretty freaking hilariously [04:13] what's so hilarious? [04:14] first we tried to explain no, then we tried to explain how, then we gave up and said go ahead and do it anyway. [04:14] that's the gist [04:14] macavity: Sorry if I bother with stupid question but you mean that if I set chmod 700 for /home/user then I don't need to bother myself about the rest of the dirs in /home/user ? [04:15] depends on if you want to worry about them [04:16] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@117.200.196.134) joined ##slackware. [04:16] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) joined ##slackware. [04:17] why does my laptop screen go dull when I connect power? I can't use function+up-arrow key combination to adjust screen brightness/ [04:18] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-152.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] cryptic0, try echo 9 > /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness (as root) [04:20] 1 - dullest, 9 - brightest (for my laptop) [04:20] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:20] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [04:21] kernel interfaces are such fun [04:21] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [04:22] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.196) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:24] cryptic0: Also if you use GUI you will not be able to adjust scree brightness with your special buttons, you must switch to the virtual terminal. Works for me. [04:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:31] there's still no iso for the slack-current ? [04:31] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [04:32] paissad_: if you sync with -current, there's a script that will build the cd's/dvd [04:32] morning all [04:32] hmm how can i use the install cd to fix a kernel [04:32] alisonken1noc, how ? [04:32] -current is just that. testing only. no need to waste server space on something that's changing all of the time [04:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.196) joined ##slackware. [04:33] i would like to test slack13-rc1, how must i get it ? [04:33] paissad_: look in isolinux/README.TXT and isolinux/README_SPLIT.TXT [04:34] paissad_: sync with a slackware mirror then follow the isolinux readme files [04:34] ok thanks for all ! [04:34] paissad_: alienBOB provides a special script for mirroring [04:34] it even creates ISOs for you [04:34] ok [04:34] google for mirror-slackware-current.sh [04:35] mcnalu (n=fircuser@genld-216-027.t-mobile.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:35] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) joined ##slackware. [04:35] I think i found a bug with slackpkg on slackware64-current [04:35] it seems the /etc/slackware/mirrors file is set for slackware-12.2, rather than slackware64-current [04:36] so, it would downgrade packages, and would try to install 32-bit replacements [04:36] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@117.200.196.134) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:36] you can easily fix the mirror URL, but still, it could nab someone who isn't paying attention [04:36] paissad_: http://www.pastebin.ca/1490515 <- script I use for both slackware/slackware64 current that also makes the DVD's after syncing with a mirror [04:37] thanks [04:37] /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdm_greet: error while loading shared libraries: libQtXml.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [04:38] it limits rsync to 512Kbytes to keep from hitting the mirror too hard [04:38] confrey (n=dario@94.163.143.161) joined ##slackware. [04:38] hi everybody [04:38] vzoric: use packages.slackware.it and search for file name in whichever version you are using [04:39] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:39] can anybody tell me about the syntax of this line ? : bool init(const sensors_feature_data **data, int *nr1,int *nr2); [04:39] vzoric: you're on 12.2 yes? [04:39] i know that current is normally for testing ! [04:39] but is it enough stable generally ? [04:39] paissad_: its in rc1 [04:40] paissad_: yes. it is [04:40] boolean function init with 3 parameters [04:40] there wont be much diff between current and 13 [04:40] confrey: ^^ [04:40] alisonken1noc: I'm worng? [04:40] Zordrak: yes [04:41] sahko: its in qt-r964497-i486-1.txz [04:41] confrey: wrong about what - you asked about the syntax. [04:41] unfortunately, I don't know what the context is [04:41] sahko: but installpkg says no such file [04:41] vzoric: you are trying to build something that needs Qt4 [04:41] vzoric: 12.2 only has Qt3 [04:41] alisonken1noc: yes, I have a error in make ksensors [04:41] about that line [04:42] the error is : lmsensor.h:54: error: expected , or ... before * token [04:42] Zordrak: hes not building. he wants to use KDE4.. at least judging from what he said easlier [04:42] oh [04:42] unless that changed in between [04:42] Zordrak: i'm upgrading to current [04:42] >.< [04:44] can anyone confirm what I reported earlier is actually a bug, or am I being a fool? [04:44] IMO theres too much between 12.2 and 13-rc1 to recommend and upgrade to anyone. Its too simple to just install new and copy configs [04:44] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [04:44] draeath: not a bug [04:44] draeath: just not updated yet [04:44] ah ok [04:45] afaik [04:45] as long as someone knows it needs attention at some point :P [04:45] mail pat if you're concerned [04:45] vpsr ps8226 [04:45] but i reckon hes on it [04:45] oops - wrong window [04:46] vpsr ps6352 [04:49] i would second a clean install, but even then the changes are humongous and without an UPGRADE.TXT.. [04:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:57] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-152.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:59] vzoric (n=vzoric@pehta.tustelekom.si) left irc: "leaving" [05:01] skepsi (n=skepsi@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [05:01] mcnalu (n=fircuser@genld-216-027.t-mobile.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:02] how do i mount a cd with both joliet and rock ridge disabled? i just want plain iso9660 names. 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[05:24] [05:25] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.217.129) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:25] slava_dp: don't bet on it - it's still a government operation :) [05:26] NASA is hardened at the same level as WhiteHouse's [05:26] they fuck you! [05:27] then why is MS a checkbox, but anything else requires three bids and a dissertation for required to use? [05:29] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:30] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [05:32] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.40) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.41.145) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:43] vzoric (n=vzoric@pehta.tustelekom.si) left irc: "leaving" [05:46] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.192) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:47] Zordrak, IMHO, just ignore it, i had something like that happen to the .mil addresses, their servers claimed we didn't have rDNS setup, after a bit of thinking, we decided they screwed up...probably something similar [05:48] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.213.6) joined ##slackware. [05:48] edman007: i would.. but we are taking ANY form of custom very very seriously [05:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.149) joined ##slackware. [05:48] mailed postmaster.. see what happens [05:49] yea..good idea [05:50] Zordrak, actually, that may just be their spam filter.... [05:50] do you have rDNS setup and an SPF record? [05:50] rdns, no spf [05:51] yet [05:51] do the SPF thing, thats easy [05:51] its not [05:51] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:51] our dns is externally hosted [05:51] lame [05:51] so... [05:51] and the company has just been bought [05:51] you can't make DNS changes? [05:52] its all very to and fro [05:52] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [05:52] but will do it once ive replaced our mail server [05:52] plus im busy peeling my skin off :) [05:53] Zordrak: still trying to get rid of the Windows feeling? [05:53] :) [05:53] no.. the fc3 feeling :) [05:53] that would be my other guess [05:56] alisonken1noc: im almost done.. just having a real headache with user-definable vacation setup for virtual users in postfix [05:57] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [06:00] Zordrak: that's always fun [06:03] im looking at a solution.. but the daemon isnt a daemon its a perl script and its not as good as "vacation".. it doesnt seem to remember addresses or anything... not sure how good it is [06:03] giving me a headache [06:03] bah [06:04] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:04] macavity_ (i=55529287@gateway/web/freenode/x-9eaf5d370a261326) joined ##slackware. [06:05] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:06] anyone have a good idea for "ssh via webserver"? [06:07] O_o [06:07] what lixe a java openssh client? [06:07] or whatever [06:07] just so that i can use a browser to ssh home [06:08] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webssh [06:08] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=openssh+java [06:09] lol [06:09] netspace ssh client :) [06:09] Action: macavity_ gets pwned ny lmgfy [06:09] macavity_: you sux :D [06:10] eek [06:11] all of those lets me run *their* implementation [06:12] macavity_: it has to be their implementation, if you want to run another one, you may consider using a webssh client to connect to your ssh to connect to your ssh :D [06:12] i dont want to RUN it [06:12] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:12] http://javassh.org/space/start [06:12] maybe a bit old tho [06:13] i want to ftp back home and copy some .php files (or whatever) onto my webserver and ssh home via my own webserver to my own machines [06:13] macavity_: download putty? [06:13] http://www.appgate.com/index/products/mindterm/ [06:13] or that one [06:14] Action: Camarade_Tux currently on putty, squatting a macdownlads wifi network [06:14] bah, my fingers are used to type "download" [06:14] putty is nice [06:14] mindterm is out of the question.. wrong license [06:15] gitta close putty now, see you laterz [06:15] macavity_: and putty? [06:15] that is an xclient for windows? [06:15] (and my fingers are also too used to type "git") [06:15] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] the entire point is that i should only need a browser [06:15] even a locked down browser that wont run java [06:16] how would you want ssh to run then? [06:16] activex? :D [06:16] so i basically just ssh from the webserver to the other machines on my lan [06:17] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@117.200.196.232) joined ##slackware. [06:17] hello [06:17] like this webchat thingie i am using now [06:17] i belive it is written in .cgi on the server end [06:18] and html and javascript in this end [06:18] macavity_: a mibbit-like? [06:18] webchat.freenode.net [06:18] mibbit has been killed freenode-wide [06:18] macavity_: most ssh things will emulate a terminal, do that in js :o [06:18] macavity_: thus the "mibbit-**like**" ;) [06:18] i never used mibbit, but i suspect yes [06:19] wtf, ill just get my freind to do it.. he is pretty hardcore with php [06:19] anyway, I'm not sure it's doable in js [06:20] imagine cyphers written in js! [06:20] the only problem with http is that it doesnt allow persistant connections, so i guess i will have to poll the webserver every 1/10seccond for new lines [06:20] ohh.. i can hear the food is ready [06:20] bbiab [06:20] macavity_ (i=55529287@gateway/web/freenode/x-9eaf5d370a261326) left irc: "Page closed" [06:20] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:41] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@117.200.194.25) left irc: Client Quit [06:44] How update slackware to the current? [06:46] van (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:48] guys where must i add keyboard options for changing layouts?xorg.conf dont load them....i have slack current [06:56] try looking at /etc/X11/xkb/keymap directory [06:57] v4nelle (n=van@78-103-154.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:01] lamenick (n=lamenick@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [07:01] skepsi (n=skepsi@94.127.129.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:02] Samy1, man slackpkg [07:04] van: actually, you may want to look at Section "InputDevice" and Option "XkbModel" and/or Option "XkbLayout" "us" in xorg.conf [07:05] I lose my files ,If I update to the slack current [07:05] depends on your files and how you setup your partitioning [07:06] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.196) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:06] I usually keep /home on a separate partition so they don't get messed with when I format/install the newer version [07:06] I have three partitions [07:08] guilherme (n=guilherm@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [07:08] macavity_ (i=55529287@gateway/web/freenode/x-e971ad5da0f9ed4d) joined ##slackware. [07:10] i wonder why freenode runs a CTCP VERSION on their own web client :P [07:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.149) left irc: Success [07:12] alisonken1noc, my xorg.conf has this.... http://pastebin.com/m19d0d4a0 but nothing works [07:13] not sure, but I'm thinking line 7 might have an extra comma, or line 6 has an extra option that may not be a good idea [07:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:14] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [07:14] van (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:15] ok - line 7 is probably OK [07:15] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.15) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:25] van, are you on current/with xorg-server-1.6? [07:26] Camarade_Tux: [04:15:39] van [n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr] has quit IRC: Remote closed the connection [07:27] alisonken1noc: oh, right ;p [07:27] :) [07:27] I did the same thing before noticing he dropped [07:27] his nick was too short for us to use tab complete and fail [07:28] actually, no : I used 'van,' but my tab complete would have been 'van:' ;) [07:30] and btw, with xorg-server-1.6, keyboards, mice, keymaps have to be configured in hal (how annoying!) [07:31] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:31] I was just reading about that [07:31] v4nelle: welcome back [07:32] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Success [07:33] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-155-254.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-143-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:34] alisonken1noc, it doesnt work... :) [07:35] did you look at /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst for available options? [07:35] also, and btw, with xorg-server-1.6, keyboards, mice, keymaps have to be configured in hal (how annoying!) [07:36] yes but i cant find the full path: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/...... [07:37] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:37] /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [07:37] you have to put the 10-keymap.fdi from /usr/share there [07:38] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:39] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:41] alisonken1noc: no they dont *have* to [07:41] alisonken1noc: you can still just have an xorg.conf like you were used to [07:42] alisonken1noc: just make sure you dont even an evdev section [07:42] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:42] macavity_: that would be Camarade_Tux - I just reposted his reply :) [07:42] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.65) joined ##slackware. [07:42] ah yes [07:43] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:43] Camarade_Tux: ^^^ [07:43] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.65) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Samy1 (i=5c55d506@gateway/web/freenode/x-a4186a0e532d33cc) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [07:45] Camarade_Tux, which is the full path of /usr/share? [07:47] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [07:48] uh - /usr/share? [07:48] :) [07:49] I have 2 directories under /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy - 10osvendor and 20thirdparty [07:50] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-74.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:52] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [07:54] alisonken1noc: in 10osvendor ;) [07:54] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Action: TwinReverb smiles at his beautiful slackware64 [07:54] Camarade_Tux: read his question strictly :) [07:55] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:55] TwinReverb: Hopefully, I'll be seeing mine this weekend [07:55] macavity_: right, but iirc evdev has some advantages, can't remember which but it's better to get your input devices as easily as in previous xserver versions [07:55] /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi ;) [07:55] Action: Camarade_Tux was talking with the boss and got distracted ;) [07:55] TwinReverb: you can even caress her :) [07:56] pfft [07:56] no kidding, that's what I'm currently doing ;) [07:58] mac- (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: "leaving" [08:00] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:00] it's also best to not edit /usr/share/hal/.. directly [08:01] laters peeps [08:04] macavity_ (i=55529287@gateway/web/freenode/x-e971ad5da0f9ed4d) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [08:04] haldir_ (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-74.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [08:06] so anyone ELSE have problems with audacious and/or xmms audio? mine won't work at all. i even emailed the audacious alsa plugin developer, and he said that he no longer develops this plugin (great....) [08:06] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:07] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.213.6) left irc: Client Quit [08:08] guilherme (n=guilherm@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [08:08] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: "leaving" [08:08] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.136.92) joined ##slackware. [08:09] how can I unzip a .7z file? [08:09] use 7zip? [08:10] how can i install it? [08:10] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Action: Zordrak colour-tags mirash [08:11] mirash: try /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/ [08:11] mirash: sorry - try http://www.7-zip.org/download.html [08:11] is ther any way to directly install it from shell? [08:12] there is a slackbuild on slackbuilds.org for p7zip :) [08:13] mirash, or get a precompiled one at http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/slackbuilds/p7zip/ [08:14] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7f7df9e5f9fe13f4) joined ##slackware. [08:15] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:15] dang [08:16] Nick change: haldir_ -> haldir [08:17] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:21f) joined ##slackware. [08:17] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.136.92) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:17] ding [08:17] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [08:18] i just hate when my cable connection gets flaky... i lose my vpn, have to reconnect it... just turns into a PITA [08:18] haldir: openvpn ftw [08:18] no manual reconn reqd [08:19] the vpn is on my work computer. so no choices on os or apps to be used. do as they say or die [08:20] O_O [08:21] haldir: make them change.. [08:21] bribe them [08:22] FDCX_ (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [08:22] FDCX_ (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:22] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Client Quit [08:22] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [08:23] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [08:23] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:21f) left irc: "Leaving" [08:24] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:21f) joined ##slackware. [08:24] heh, i would have to be as rich as you guys to do that :-) [08:24] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:21f) left irc: Client Quit [08:25] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:21f) joined ##slackware. [08:25] illuz1oN (i=500@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:26] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:26] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.10) joined ##slackware. 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[08:36] neo8848: read all the URLs in the topic [08:37] neo8848: as in, read all of the content on all of the sites [08:37] macavity: it's a friend of mine who just mentionned it ;) [08:37] neo8848: .. in the order they appear in the topic [08:37] Camarade_Tux: i'm on it! [08:40] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.213.6) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:42] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: "Leaving" [08:43] let me guess, I do an rm -rf on a folder, it can't come back can it [08:43] um [08:43] no [08:44] i was pretty sure not, but just checking [08:44] giant81_: perhaps you ought to alias rm='rm -i' [08:44] does anyone ELSE have a man page for mkfs.reiserfs ? [08:44] "man mkfs.reiserfs" [08:44] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.112.55) joined ##slackware. [08:44] no [08:45] just finished mirroring slackware-current to my laptop, and while cleaning up I deleted the 3gb folder with all the packages in it [08:45] Action: giant81_ fails [08:45] TwinReverb, I have one [08:45] where to get firefox 3.5 package? i dont see it in slackbuilds.org [08:45] TwinReverb: also not listed in the "See Also" for mffs [08:45] Action: macavity kisses Camarade_Tux [08:45] *mkfs [08:45] Thursap: it wouldnt be [08:45] Thursap: FF is in slack [08:45] Thursap: in slack === not in SBo [08:46] Pat will release it in /patches when he chooses [08:46] Camarade_Tux: great, now i can just log in via https on an obscure port from anywhere in the world :-) [08:46] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:46] ok, does anyone using slackware64-current 13.0 -rc1 have a man page for mkfs.reiserfs? [08:47] checking [08:47] no [08:47] ohwait [08:47] soryy.. the rc box is x86, the 64 is pre-rc1 [08:47] mkreiserfs [08:47] not mkfs.reiser [08:48] macavity: ++ [08:48] MKREISERFS(8) [08:48] macavity: i get the point, thanks. i do have one... generic question, would slackware be the right choice for me if I wanted to setup my box via downloading packages from the office and installing on an internet-less pc at home? [08:48] neo8848: yes [08:48] people still use reiserfs? :> [08:48] neo8848: if you like slackware, then yes [08:49] slack install can be done using USB/NFS/FTP/HTTP/CD/DVD as well as other funky ways [08:49] thrice`, slowly moving away, but yes. [08:49] thrice`: not me :) [08:49] neo8848: if you are more of an ubuntard, then you probably should download the ubuntu DVD and use that :P [08:50] Action: slava_dp moves from reiserfs -> xfs. [08:50] I did a new install when slack64 was announced with ext4 :) [08:50] neo8848: i suggest you download either a 12.2 or 13.0rc1 DVD iso and burn your very own slackware install media [08:50] it hasn't eaten any data yet, thankfully [08:50] macavity: :) [08:50] jfs works nicely here [08:51] really light on the CPU [08:51] and it seems equally fast as reiserfs when deleting huge source trees [08:51] and about 10000 times faster at deleting +4GB files [08:52] for some reason reiserfs was *dog* slow at that [08:52] i really dunno. some say xfs rules, others, jfs rules. so which one? [08:52] ext4! [08:52] slava_dp: the one that will give you head on demand ;-) [08:52] macavity: i've started with debian, actually. tested ubuntu recently because everyone's using it. but i would have prefered that i have full control of application installation, as i started installing from tarballs with debian [08:53] macavity, so does your fs regularly do that? :-) [08:53] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-7f7df9e5f9fe13f4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:53] wow, an http mirror that will let you pull from it wget -r, is much faster than FTP [08:53] slava_dp: sure.. you just need to know your POSIX specification to the letter to get any fs to do that for you ;-P [08:53] thrice`: ext3 (prod) ext4 (dev) xfs (store) [08:54] giant81_: rsync [08:54] neo8848: then slackware will probably be your wet dream [08:54] giant81_, ftp is an old POS. anything is faster than ftp. [08:54] Action: giant81_ googles rsync [08:54] neo8848: but beware.. slackware gives you the control all the way... even if "all the way" means "right off the cliff" [08:54] >.< [08:54] neo8848: still.. get yourself a nice DVD iso and get hacking [08:54] I like 'right off the cliff' [08:55] if you never go over, do you really know where it is [08:55] giant81_: not to long ago we had a luser in here who had updated aaa_elflibs on 12.2 with the -current version.. [08:55] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-d0fd4c94ee5faab4) joined ##slackware. [08:56] macavity, hahaha [08:56] giant81_: despite all the warnings, and despite the universially stupid act that obviously is.. *that* is "right off the cliff" [08:56] giant81_: if you never go over, you arent doing it right [08:56] giant81_: if you go over, but cant recover it on your own.. you arent doing it right [08:57] i have not hosed my GNU/Linux system in more than 8 years, yet i am still learning [08:57] so i beg to differ... [08:57] just because you went over and you couldn't recover it on your own doesn't mean you aren't doing it right [08:57] if you get your stuff done, yet never go over, you are doing it *right* [08:57] giant81_: fail [08:57] just means you get to learn from a friend [08:58] there *is* no friend :) [08:58] macavity: yeah.. if you like grey cardigans and mirowavable socks that smell liku nursing homesn [08:58] the friend is a lie? [08:58] Zordrak: nope.. i have broken shit big time.. and recovered.. but i havent hosed my system [08:59] semantics [08:59] Zordrak: eg, hooking /dev/random to your latest inode swapper [08:59] Action: macavity contemplates the amount of time it would take to revert that [08:59] inode swapper? [08:59] I have the same ideas about driving, you get a new car? go to a parkinglot and drive it sideways, you'll learn a GREAT deal about how it handles when it's loose [08:59] slava_dp: find random used inode in the fs. find another one. swap their locations [08:59] and THAT is what will save your butt if it gets loose in bad weather [09:00] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.125) joined ##slackware. [09:00] macavity, what for? [09:00] slava_dp: oh, just to see if you can recover from it :P [09:00] slava_dp: or just to see what your file system looks like after a couple of minutes [09:01] damn. that's a nice example of hardcore masochism. [09:02] giant81_: i guess it is semantics as Zordrak points out.. my idea of "going over" is to take your new car to the parkinglot and flip it seventeen times and go "oops.. i thought it would just skid and spin around" [09:03] we had a guy in here who was trying to recover from "a minor hickup on the production server" [09:03] macavity: theres going right off the cliff and theres going off it in an upside down helicopter, in flames, while defecating....... in Afghanistan [09:04] .. it turned out that the loser had attempted to install his own patched up tool chain, then recompile glibc, kernel and apache [09:04] that is, in my analogy, the same as flipping the car over seventeen times :P [09:05] Zordrak: you have to be named dartmouth or oneforall to do what you describe there [09:05] Zordrak: there is a special place in hell for people like that :P [09:06] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [09:07] ... while playing Born in the USA on a 3kW stereo [09:07] jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:15) joined ##slackware. [09:09] lol [09:11] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:21f) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:12] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:d9) joined ##slackware. [09:13] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-134-193.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:15] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.112.55) left irc: "leaving" [09:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.125) left irc: "leaving" [09:16] Action: macavity rocks on to Green Day [09:16] jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:15) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:17] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.125) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.112.55) joined ##slackware. [09:19] American Idiot? :) [09:19] haha [09:20] how to auto-mount external drives after boot? [09:20] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:15) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Action: gar0t0 listening Smashing Pumpkins [09:20] macavity, ah thanks (although there should be a symlink from mkfs.reiserfs to it, so there should be a man page also) [09:20] i'll email pat [09:20] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:d9) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:20] Zordrak: i will leave that as an exercise to the reader to find out :P [09:20] Action: slava_dp is listening to Kiss lol [09:20] TwinReverb: no, there should not [09:21] Action: giant81_ is listening to the hummmmm of his laptop and tower [09:21] TwinReverb: you cannot call mkfs -t reiserfs [09:21] TwinReverb: hence, it does not count as an mkfs.* entry [09:21] slava_dp: nice choice [09:22] macavity, if you symlink the command you should symlink the man page [09:22] shit, my bad [09:22] at least in my mind [09:23] ok, so it's a recommendation, not a "missing man page" [09:23] in ancient times when reiser was king of the land of FS mkreiserfs could not be called from mkfs [09:23] so yes, now there should be a symlink [09:23] as it reacts to both [09:23] Thursap: man fstab [09:24] Nick change: Jiraia_ -> jiraia [09:24] but it doesnt really matter [09:24] TwinReverb: and btw, you shouldnt bug Pat about it.. you should bug the maintainer of reiserfsprogs [09:25] TwinReverb: oh, right.. that might be a problem :-/ [09:25] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:25] hahaha [09:25] do they have email in russian jails? 8-) [09:25] no wait.. "January 2009" on -current [09:25] you see, just because upstream cannot or will not do something doesn't mean we can't [09:25] russian O_o [09:25] granted i can always symlink it myself [09:25] TwinReverb: he will serve in the US [09:26] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-198-122-202.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] yeah.. but you have to maintain it yourself and it has to be exchange2000 [09:26] oh really? wow [09:26] TwinReverb: it appears reiserfsprogs is still maintained [09:26] Action: BP{k} doesn't find that *that* much of a suprise. [09:26] TwinReverb: so, by all means, push the manpage symlink upstream [09:26] Action: TwinReverb shrugs and does it himself [09:26] TwinReverb: there is a much better chance of getting it in to slackware from that angle [09:27] Action: fred gets nervous and protective [09:27] Action: fred gives other people accounts on the systems he's spent a fair bit of the last week setting up :S [09:27] * fred doesnt worry because fred understands backups... [09:27] TwinReverb: for obvious reasons Patrick doesnt want to bother with too many patches of "irellevant" stuff that may be fixed on the next release anyways [09:27] Zordrak: got all the data backed up [09:27] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.112.55) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] just don't want to have to set them up again [09:28] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:1df) joined ##slackware. [09:28] fred: dd'able disk images goes a loooong way :P [09:28] fred: no OS bak? [09:28] Action: Zordrak rsync -avx's everything [09:29] "St. Jimmy" has teh coolest lyrics evar :P [09:30] JeanLandim (n=Jean@187.4.120.223) joined ##slackware. [09:31] jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:15) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:31] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:32] greetings and salutations [09:32] Full list of step-by-step instructions :p [09:32] jiraia (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:32] macavity: 1TB HDs :p [09:32] oh yay [09:32] transfering a 60GB file over scp [09:32] Action: tewmten vomits [09:32] fred: how many and what raid? :) [09:32] tewmten: uhhh.. why? [09:33] there is no other way [09:33] Zordrak: because he is on 11Mbit TokenRing LAN ;-P [09:33] its from an ESXi 3.5 U3 host [09:33] 1TB usable, raid5, 3*500GB [09:33] tewmten: ftp, reverse http [09:33] there's no ftp [09:33] fred: aww not 1tb hdds [09:33] tewmten: nfs [09:34] hm i could do that i guess [09:34] is scp *that* slow? [09:34] doesnt matter [09:34] how about uucp? [09:34] it says eta 1h [09:34] nfs+rsync :) [09:34] nah [09:34] its ESXi [09:34] that looks like a nice marrige [09:34] very limited toolset on it [09:34] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.24) joined ##slackware. [09:34] anyway i can wait 1h [09:34] im in no hurry [09:35] fred: i have paid for, and am awaiting delivery of two boxes each with 5x1TB (4 in raid6' 1HS) [09:35] yes you are.. pacman is eating up your data from behind [09:35] and he will eat 1.1GB/h [09:35] eek 1.1GB/m [09:35] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:1df) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:35] JeanLandim (n=Jean@187.4.120.223) left irc: "Saindo" [09:36] fred: both to run Slack13 x86_64 [09:36] Zordrak: holy mofo christ... you must be The King of Goat Prøn! [09:37] i can has to watch your private collection? [09:37] macavity: all in all, there will be 10 1TB disks, but only 2TB available space [09:37] what? [09:38] i thought raid6 gave you 75% [09:38] did I stutter? :) [09:38] Action: fred unfortunately has these on debian lenny x64 :( [09:38] macavity: raid6 is sum(disks)-2x(disks) [09:38] well, + one on avocent-NIH, one on cisco IOS [09:38] or sum(disks-2) [09:39] ITYM 8TB available space. [09:39] Action: macavity scratches head while attempting to understand wikipedia [09:39] fred: nope [09:39] wait, misread :p [09:40] Servers 1&2 in network RAID1 using drbd [09:40] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:40] how much better is the performance of raid6 compared to raid5 if we assume a 50/50 read/write distribution? [09:40] macavity, how is that a patch? [09:40] so only half the diksk count [09:40] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [09:40] and raid6(4x1TB) = 2TB [09:41] macavity: raid6 is worse on performance than raid5 [09:41] TwinReverb: its a patch to the Makefile.ac :P [09:41] raid-dp is NetApps own RAID6 and is close to raid5, but is closed source [09:41] ewww [09:41] then i can NOT haz [09:41] so im stuck with standard raid6 [09:42] indeed [09:42] but.. i wall have 3ware doing the hard work so it should pay off [09:42] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@76.17.165.23) joined ##slackware. [09:42] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.24) left irc: Client Quit [09:42] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.24) joined ##slackware. [09:42] why not just go for raid5 with a hot spare? [09:43] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:43] i mean, what are the odds of two disks blowing at the same time? [09:43] macavity: because when a disk fails you have to wait for a whole terabyte to build before you can lose another [09:43] and that takes how long? [09:43] 15 minutes? [09:43] macavity: extremely high when it takes so long since its 1tb disks [09:44] really, if you usage cycle them asynchroniously i dont see the problem [09:44] esp with WD [09:45] Action: TwinReverb stabs macavity [09:45] TwinReverb: i know.. it is hard to be around someone who is always right ;-) [09:46] macavity: bottem line is.. disk are a bitch.. when one fails, the others feel left out and want to fail too... i once had (at home) three disks go in 48 hours.. each in a diff machine, on a diff power ring... with diff data on diff OSes on diff fses [09:46] Zordrak: odd.. from what i hear it has been quite some time since WD disks were un reliable [09:46] lol, 15min for a raid 6 rebuild.. LOL [09:46] hahaha [09:46] macavity: i have bought 10 WD disks for personal use in the last 5 years. 8 have been rmaed [09:46] agentc0re: what the hell do i know? that is why i ask [09:46] Zordrak: wow.. [09:47] macavity: i have a special solution for this setup [09:47] colonel_panic (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-220.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:47] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:47] Zordrak: i have WD Caviar disks still in above 80% condition [09:47] macavity: I'm not persecuting you. Just laughing.. My raid6 rebuilds, sata drives mind you, have taken longer than 24 hours to rebuild. [09:47] each machine will be half seagate, half WD and each disk will be boucht from a different distributor to sprad across as manf batches as possible [09:47] agentc0re: ++ [09:48] these will be sata also [09:48] holy fucking christ?!? [09:48] agentc0re: what controller? [09:48] agentc0re: sw? hw (3ware, adaptec)? [09:48] I know i've posted this before.. but. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/21/2126252&from=rss [09:49] Whatever HP All in one Storage servers use as a vendor. I have a p800 in there, but HP probably just re-branded it their own. [09:49] kk [09:50] my raid6 consists of 20 drives. So that's another reason why it probably takes so long. [09:50] macavity: thing is.. this shit isnt just misson critical, its business critical... if the storage dies the campany stops [09:50] so i will have raid61 running [09:50] and thats about as hardcore as I can make it within budget [09:51] Zordrak: Oh ya, i remember talking to you about those servers. [09:51] You know, if you can i'd have 3 servers running. [09:51] yes i only get 20% space... but i have ULTIMATE redundancy [09:51] agentc0re: £7k for two [09:51] macavity, it is humanly impossible to always be right [09:51] agentc0re: budgeted against support savings [09:51] agentc0re: my 3rd is the tape backups [09:52] well if business stops if these die then money should not be an issue. [09:52] TwinReverb: yes.. i once thought i was mistaken, but that turned out the be wrong, so there you have it [09:52] TwinReverb: tell straterra :) [09:52] Zordrak: ok [09:52] agentc0re: you would thinx [09:52] Nick change: colonel_panic -> moonhead [09:52] Zordrak: how manu disks can you maximim stick in a raid6? [09:52] agentc0re: we are in the same situation now.. but on SunFire v250s with only silver support and no live redundancy.. n s/w raid5 [09:53] macavity: unlimited [09:53] macavity: machine capabilites excepted of course [09:53] I think it has size limits though. [09:53] agentc0re: would dep on controller i guess [09:53] Zordrak: was it a price thing about not just picking twice as many 500GB disks instead? [09:54] macavity: future expandability and chassis price [09:54] illuz1oN (i=500@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [09:54] ok [09:54] macavity: chassis on order is 8x hotswap [09:54] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:54] right [09:54] allows for another couple of TB to be added later [09:54] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.20.125) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:54] just slot-in [09:55] they really ought to make a kind of "lego" kinda chassis system for disk-only addons [09:55] just get an equalogic SAN run it itn RAID 10 [09:55] and the £/GB on 1TB isnt bad now the 1.5s have been out a while and the 2TBs just got released [09:55] as in, a real standard.. not this per vendor crap [09:55] giant81_: moron [09:55] 16 disks, 2x hot spares, [09:55] macavity: heh, hey do actually. [09:55] Zordrak, jerk [09:55] huh? [09:55] so i'm still puzzled why audacious and xmms don't work with ALSA but mpg321/mpg123, xine and mplayer work with ALSA [09:55] s/hey/they [09:56] xmms works finw with alsa here [09:56] s/finw/fine/ [09:56] macavity: if we get ta a real crunch point theres 5.25 bays i could use with mounters [09:56] agentc0re: so, you can technically just get a 32 disk sata hardware raid controler, and stick extra standard u cases underneath with more disks as you need them? [09:57] and since theres a backup machine.. i could prep it out with higher cap dhisks when available and swap [09:57] macavity: When i get to work, i can take some pictures of my configuration and show ya. [09:57] agentc0re: me too :) [09:57] agentc0re: much appreiciated [09:57] okay :D [09:57] agentc0re: i am thinking about getting a job in IT.. but there is so much i dont know about since i have always just been a home tinkerer [09:57] must remember to document and snap the boxes when they arrive [09:58] my AiO is connected to another box that just is harddrives through a fiber controller, if you want to try and visualize a mental picture. [09:58] currently waiting on the leadtime on supermicro chassis [09:58] too long :( [09:58] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.214.189) joined ##slackware. [09:58] agentc0re: .. if the case is i get luckey i hope some of you pro guys will reward me for answering so many newbe questions in here ;-) [09:58] macavity: linkedin [09:58] macavity: you'll want to start to learn a lot of active directory, exchange and stuff like that. [09:58] Zordrak: ? [09:59] agentc0re: eeewwwwwwwwwwwww [09:59] AD yes.. you need to learn it [09:59] screw excange [09:59] forget exchange. forget product specifics. what you need to know is processes. [09:59] i am holding out for Samba4 to save my ass on the job situation :P [09:59] ananke++ [09:59] dude, exchange is great. It's one of the MS products that i will vouch for. [09:59] macavity: i wouldn't. [09:59] I gotta get ready for work though. [09:59] macavity: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linkedin [10:00] agentc0re: from what i read they have it pretty well covered [10:00] talk more about it in about an hour. [10:00] pwn x2 [10:00] macavity: Oh, i'm not saying that it wouldn't work. [10:00] change management, documentation, testing/production environments, idea of ticketing systems, etc. those are things that virtually every IT job requires, and it isn't vendor specific [10:00] agentc0re: my chassis vendor is currently throwing boxes at a wall cause his exchange server just stopped accepting ANYTHING [10:00] Zordrak: ah, i read it as "linke-din".. i thought it was an expression of some sort [10:01] last i heard he thought he narrowed it to an MTU issue [10:01] but boxes are all identical [10:01] i have a question: kde has groupware. has anyone used kde's own groupware on a LAN in any sort of semblance of a production environment? i had the idea of running a small office type business using kde's groupware (kontact, i.e. kmail, contacts, calendar / busy info etc) [10:01] linkedin.com is great, if you already have contacts in the industry [10:01] to include their own file sharing [10:01] ananke: ++ x2 [10:01] yes i likes linkedin [10:01] TwinReverb: no.. all replaced by other things [10:02] i'm thinking of replacing our ms exchange environment with google apps [10:02] Action: Zordrak points at Slackware group on linkedin where i will be posting a job when im allowed to hire [10:02] tewmten: *shudder* [10:02] TwinReverb: i havent done so yet.. but i heard from a freind that kolab works really really well [10:02] tewmten: Frying Pan [10:02] tewmten: Fire [10:02] is anyone taking the google OS seriously? [10:02] Zordrak: yeah you can hook it up to AD [10:03] macavity, kolab is the kde info server then? [10:03] TwinReverb: it is one of the pillars in the Münich FLOSS migration [10:03] i dont like google apps for the same reason i dont like salesforce.com [10:03] if they go tits up, so do you [10:03] i never used sales force [10:03] here, the only people we rely on are our ISP [10:03] at lesat you can download all your stuff with google apps [10:03] i don't like cloud computing [10:03] if we go titsup its our own fault [10:03] TwinReverb: it is a backend like Exchange.. for documents/callenders/email/contatcs etc [10:04] google app engine on the other hand, you're completely boned. [10:04] TwinReverb : it's google. you have to take it seriously [10:04] i use google apps for my private email and calendar [10:04] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.24) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [10:04] theres a certain level of acceptable dependance... but google apps/SF is just too far over the line [10:04] also if you pay for it you get a contract and some guarantees etc [10:04] even google can to belly up [10:04] never underestimate the 800lb gorilla [10:04] or they can get hit by a plane :-/ [10:05] yeah [10:05] well [10:05] that's why you pay [10:05] to get redundancy and security [10:05] chances of a plane hitting your data center are much greater than a plane destroying google [10:05] yeah [10:05] ananke, i don't have to do anything 8-) [10:05] but they will never ever sign the "if you lose data we will recover your biz losses" deal [10:05] well thats why we also have two datacenters [10:05] why is that? [10:05] it provides JDK6 support but not OpenOffice, why not? [10:05] macavity, yeah that's what i meant [10:05] it compares directly with my storage dilemma... no redundancy and EXPENSIVE support contracts... or cheap purchase of cheap eqipment and super-redundancy with no support costs.... i know which i chose and would do EVERY time [10:05] cool, i definitely need to try that [10:06] macavity: nah but as long as they protect our data thats fine [10:06] if we lose a bizness deal thats our fault [10:06] macavity: SBo [10:06] whoops [10:06] Night-Horse1 (n=sheri@84.36.186.165) joined ##slackware. [10:06] maxote: SBo [10:06] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:06] Zordrak: that would be Mr SoB to you ;-P [10:06] :) [10:06] Action: TwinReverb frowns because bibletime is not ready for 64 bit apparently [10:07] what means SBo? [10:07] such a nice program too .... 8-( [10:07] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:07] bibletime... is that like teatimer.. tells you when its time to pray? [10:07] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:07] no, it's bible study material [10:07] wow.. what a nick [10:08] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [10:08] maxote: slackbuilds.org [10:08] maxote: www.slackbuilds.org [10:08] searching, displaying, even cross-referencing translations between english/greek/hebrew/arabic and basically any other spoken language as well [10:08] orite [10:08] wow! [10:08] i can see how that'd be useful [10:08] not that i read the bible, but of course other people do [10:08] maxote: sbopkg.org for automated interaction with slackbuilds.org [10:10] i had completely forgotten how much i like Green Day [10:10] Dookie is goddamn happy rock'n'roll PunkUltraLight :P [10:11] btw, how many of you are on this linkedin.com thingie? [10:11] I am. [10:11] at a first glance it looks like facebook :P [10:12] hah. [10:12] macavity: me [10:12] macavity: I went to my grandads funeral yesterday [10:13] macavity: met a long-link family member that was like only the 58th man into Vodafone when it started [10:13] macavity: to link up his first question was... are you on linkedin? [10:14] friends, i've a good notice, python-2.4.3 + mercurial-1.2.1 + pmezard's hgforest-crew ( hg clone http://bitbucket.org/pmezard/hgforest-crew/ ) works OK!!! it's for hg fclone . Forget the unavailability of hgforest when mercurial > 0.9.5 is used. [10:14] damn.. i cant pick an industry.. "general computer geek: will fastlearn anything for food or tits" [10:14] macavity: linked in is designed around active working professionals [10:14] do what you can [10:14] it's possible to work >=python-2.5 . I don't recommend you to install mercurial-1.3 [10:15] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-27-231-67.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] i'm still using slackware-11.0 [10:16] Zordrak: sorry to hear about your granddad. :| [10:16] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:16] maxote: ouch [10:16] BP{k}: thanks.. appreciated [10:16] unless that mercurial-1.3.x is tested and sufficely stable. [10:16] BP{k}: it was a nice send-off though. appropriate [10:17] i hate funerals [10:18] macavity: I don't think they are the things you go to for the party. [10:18] i have every intent on only going to the one funeral i cant skip [10:18] there are 2 kind of funerals: the archaic funeral is created by the own family, and the modern funeral that companies suck them money. [10:18] but by then i wont give a flying rats ass anyway [10:18] well you won't attend it mentally, just physically [10:19] macavity: it was a good opportunity for all to reflect on just how many turned up and were affected enough by a man to make them turn up [10:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:19] true that [10:19] but i have an exceptional long list of dead freinds [10:20] so i have kind of become allergic to people dying [10:20] macavity: stop killing them then [10:20] the drugs killed them [10:20] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] or they did them selves in because they couldnt see a way out [10:20] macavity, were they religious? [10:20] no.. just adicts like me [10:21] so they thought they had nothing to live for? [10:21] since i cleaned up about five and a half year ago i have lost someone i knew or knew very well every 4 months on the average [10:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-211-45.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] TwinReverb: uhm... try a decade on drugs and you tell me? [10:22] just asking [10:22] philosophy is a very interesting study to me [10:22] go to an NA meeting as a guest then sometime [10:23] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [10:23] but lets leave this crappy topic [10:23] it's not crappy. i think there's something inside of everyone that wants to think that there's something to live for, something bigger than themselves [10:24] slak (n=slak@189.82.13.45) left irc: Client Quit [10:25] the topic of people dying gets me depressed [10:25] maxote: regarding mercurial, 1.2.1 is still in -current, so you don't have to worry to much about 1.3 or whatever :) [10:25] Zordrak: anyhows.. my condolecense [10:25] Zordrak: i hope you think that he has had a good and full life [10:26] BP{k}, i was using vanilla release of hg [10:26] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-81-105-71-192.popl.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] and i don't like evolution being taught and injected into stuff because it teaches survival of the fittest (which is ironically not followed in society at all, thankfully) [10:27] regardless of whether evolution is true or not, applying "survival of the fittest" to society is a cruel thing to do [10:27] but honest [10:27] it removes the purpose to life, teaching that those who come after you are better than you, and it cannot tell people what to live for [10:28] the question "so what do i do with myself?" cannot be answered [10:28] 'waht do you do' is easy, you provide [10:28] neo8848 (n=standard@203.177.172.188) left ##slackware. [10:29] Action: andarius answered it :) [10:29] believing in Jesus because you read it in the bible, is like believing in superman because you read about him in a comicbook [10:29] er, God, not jesus [10:29] (not my quote) [10:29] this linkedin thingie is obnoxious like hell [10:30] i want to join a group and it keeps sending me in circles [10:30] the idea is to take what you were given and improve on it, then pass that improved piece of the pie to your next generation that will take your improvements as a starting point and improve from there [10:30] macavity: he did. thank you [10:30] will i not be able to use this place without having them snoop through my email?!? [10:30] they are *not* just going to get the password for my email account [10:30] |4T4Ri| (n=DavidSor@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:31] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-27-168-104.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Success [10:31] macavity: it has none of my data. so ther eis a way [10:32] macavity: it has no more data on me than fb does [10:32] Zordrak: fb knows what color socks you are wearing right now :P [10:32] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:32] and i dont have a single person in my mailbox i want to notify of my membership of linkedin anyway [10:33] Night-Horse (n=sheri@62.139.85.169) left irc: Success [10:33] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) left irc: [10:33] should i just go make a phony email adress so it can have at least one to be happy? [10:34] macavity: give it your email.. why does it want your pw? [10:34] hey, i recompiled the kernel with pae to get access to 4g of ram but now the machine has 3.5G of ram empty... with the stock kernel 90% of ram had cache... why is that? [10:34] Zordrak: so it can scan my mailbox for people [10:34] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:35] zoran119: 4GB or RAM needs the 64G option [10:35] so i have access to more ram but it's 'wasted' [10:35] zoran119: Just use 64-bit [10:35] macavity: dont do the scan [10:35] manually add [10:35] zoran119: 64-bit is the correct answer for using 4 or more GB of memory. Also, the kernel will use as much cache as it can [10:35] Zordrak: that's the problem.. i have no-one to add [10:36] lol [10:36] thrice`, the proof however is in life [10:36] apparently i cant use this thing before i invite someone [10:36] how lame is THAT [10:36] straterra: yeah... but it seems that it caches much more with no 64 option... [10:36] Action: macavity makes phony gmail account then [10:37] and a comic book is an invention. the Bible has remain 99.9999999999% unchanged and without copying errors for thousands of years, much less everything in it that can be verified has been through archeology. religion and God aside, it's a very respectable literary work. a comic book is pop culture. [10:37] host -t mx mountaingeardirect.com [10:37] zoran119: so? [10:37] FUCK [10:37] zoran119: it uses as much cache as it needs [10:37] used to have 90% of ram cached and now only like 20%.... seems weird... [10:38] straterra: ^^ macavity needs you. ;) [10:38] same apps running... [10:38] It'll go up the more you use the system [10:38] aaaargh [10:38] no matter what i click it just goes to that "search webmail contacts" [10:38] straterra: cool... i'll experiment [10:38] and you guys said this was noting like facebook :-/ [10:39] what kind if scam is this? [10:39] macavity: i think you may just be missing something [10:40] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-27-231-67.popl.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Success [10:40] confrey (n=dario@94.163.143.161) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] sos_ (i=c9466e09@gateway/web/freenode/x-f1e19a0d6512fb8d) joined ##slackware. [10:43] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:43] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:43] ok this place has oddeties [10:43] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [10:44] i wanted to join one of the slackware groups.. but have to write a mail to the group before i get let in, so i click the thingie to do that.. after i click send it asks me "who is this message for"?!? [10:46] theres only one slackware group i could see that was worth joining [10:46] and required no message [10:46] Night-Horse1 (n=sheri@84.36.186.165) left irc: Connection timed out [10:47] "Slackware GNU/Linux users worldwide"? [10:47] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.214.189) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] think so.. run by marco ar someone [10:48] yes.. now it says "STATUS: Your membership is pending approval." and underneath link "Send message to this group" [10:48] any good tutorials that go through kernel config to tell you how to optimize the kernel a bit... i know how to recompile but don't know what i can NOT compile??? [10:49] so i click the link and write the message.. and when i click send it asks "to who?" [10:49] zoran119, that is a good question, I'd love to find a good tutorial on what could be considered 'fluff' in the linux kernel that I would never need on my laptop [10:49] ah crap this.. it is exactly the same as facepalmbook [10:50] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [10:50] macavity: you dont have to send anyone a message [10:50] just wait for approval [10:50] is there a program that triggers a kernel panic? :-) [10:50] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [10:51] ok [10:51] kernel_rape.sh [10:51] hehe [10:51] need it for a project :=) [10:51] slava_dp: ntldr.exe? [10:51] mn though [10:51] Night-Horse (n=sheri@62.139.87.192) joined ##slackware. [10:52] BP{k}, ntldr does not have an extension >;-] [10:52] slava_dp: if root privs are not a problem then it should not be hard [10:52] got root [10:53] can i echo smth to /proc/panic to trigger it? would be cool :) [10:54] jiraia (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) left irc: "cd ~" [10:54] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [10:54] slava_dp: try it :P [10:54] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] ok, write a small app that does this: open a raw terminal file discriptor. use the ioctl to set the terminal speed to unlimited. set the write fd to cooked mode. write a binary data to it untill it either crashes or or the system runs out of swap [10:55] the oomkiller will kill things directly connected to a terminal head last [10:56] so either you hit that magic compo that causes the terminal layer to freak out, or you manage to kill the system [10:56] damn, macavity i must have rubbed your butt the wrong way :( [10:56] dartmouth, stop rubbing his butt then :P [10:56] TwinReverb: noted [10:56] dartmouth: the problem was probably that you rubbed it ;-P [10:56] there's no genie in that bottle [10:56] oh yes there is [10:57] ew. bad image. [10:57] a foul smelling one :P [10:57] Roelof (i=0@82.75.27.184) joined ##slackware. [10:57] I smell..cpunches. I knew my gaydar was going off. [10:57] funny. [10:57] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:20d) joined ##slackware. [10:57] hello, i have a problem with kde and current64 [10:57] dartmouth: sorry.. i am just the kind of guy how hold a grudge for a long time :P [10:58] i can't see the desktop window [10:58] dartmouth: but dont worry.. if i *really* didn't like you i would just have you on permanent /ignore [10:58] macavity: its all good [10:59] Roelof: "the desktop window"? [10:59] Action: dartmouth goes back to rubbing macavity's butt [10:59] Roelof: as in, it is just black where you should see the desktop? [10:59] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:59] Roelof: or do you mean the plasmoid that shows the desktop stuff? [10:59] Action: macavity reprograms dartmouth's sexuality with a large blunt fire axe [11:00] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:20d) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:00] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [11:00] i mean the plasmoid [11:00] Roelof: try and turn off desktop effects [11:00] Roelof: then hit alt-F2 and type "plasma" and hit enter [11:00] macavity: you do any css design? [11:00] Roelof: "add widget" -> "folder" -> uhm .. settings or so .. and then you can change the folderview to dekstop. [11:01] jiraia (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:01] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:01] dartmouth: no.. i can *barely* make lists in html [11:01] hrm [11:01] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [11:01] odla (n=user@75.72.229.115) joined ##slackware. [11:01] the rule is simple, if the computer has <= 4 GiB (or 3 GiB) of RAM then use 32-bit OS, otherwise >=4 GiB 64-bit OS. [11:01] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-166-254.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:02] install 6 or 8 GiB of RAM moron [11:02] What the fuck is a GiB? [11:03] GiB = gibibytes [11:03] Action: BP{k} thinks maxote vocal modulator is set to random. :-) [11:03] if you use B as the byte notation, wouldn't it be GB, as when you typically see Gi together you think Gig [11:03] giga-binary-byte [11:03] maxote: fail [11:03] O_o [11:04] hm [11:04] gibibytes and mebibytes [11:04] how do i calculate block sizes? [11:04] giant81_: GiB is now used to mean what GB SHOULD mean.. but has been co-opted by people trynig to make money [11:04] Action: pragma_ missed something somewhere. [11:04] as in KB, MB, GB, TB, PB, or Kilo, meg, gig, tera, peda [11:04] sos_ (i=c9466e09@gateway/web/freenode/x-f1e19a0d6512fb8d) left ##slackware. [11:05] 1 gibibyte = 2**30 bytes = 1,073,741,824 bytes = 1024 mebibytes [11:05] BP{k} : thank you, your suggestion work [11:05] 1 GB = 2**32? [11:05] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] i can see now what i want [11:06] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [11:06] everyone have a good weekend [11:06] pedobytes are evil. [11:07] Roelof (i=0@82.75.27.184) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] Action: giant81_ always thinks pedometers have a messed up name [11:07] pedo-meters [11:07] MJ wore a pedometer... it exploded [11:07] you get enough pedobytes you can store them under a jail in a folder called pedophile [11:07] lol [11:07] Action: dartmouth chuckles [11:09] <_budo> slackware or freebsd [11:10] odla (n=user@75.72.229.115) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [11:10] _budo: that depends [11:12] _budo: personally i like both a lot.. but the GNU userland appeals to me the most [11:12] _budo: ... and being a bit of a graphics hore i like that GNU/Linux usually gets the new improvements first [11:12] <_budo> k [11:13] fallertsen (n=lupin@host1-42-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:13] but from a learning perspective id say they are about equal [11:13] <_budo> does slackware have the apt-get package system? [11:14] the slackware community is somewhat smaller.. but from my perspective there are fewer wannabes here who just go "RTFM" because they dont know the answer themselves [11:14] nope [11:14] it has slackpkg which does not support automatic dependency resolution.. and we consider that a feature [11:14] <_budo> i see [11:14] if slackware implemented that kind of crap i would be gone tommorow [11:15] i prefere to be in full control [11:15] and i prefere that there is only one person to blame if something blows up: me! [11:16] when people ask why i use slackware i usually say that it is the distro that annoys me the least.. and that is about 70% of the truth [11:16] the other 30% is that i love the crowd here :-) [11:16] <_budo> im a newbie and i need to learn but dont want the OS to hide stuff from me and neither overwhelm me [11:16] <_budo> i see haha [11:16] generally a bunch of highly skilled people who are as crazy as horses on drugs [11:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-d0fd4c94ee5faab4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:17] I like that I don't have to go study a bunch of macros and offbeat tools to build a package for slackware :) [11:17] it is probably the "overwhelm" that could become a problem with slackware... at least if you are not prepared to read *a lot* [11:17] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-11dfe4cd21b345e5) joined ##slackware. [11:18] hollywoodb: yes.. package creation is so dead simple that it more than compensates for the somewhat small collection of pre-build slackware packages [11:18] slackware can be overwhelming only if you're not prepared for it [11:18] yes [11:18] i introduced a woman to slackware who wanted to learn unix, and she was very very happy with it [11:18] _budo: slackbook.org and all the other URLs you find in the topic should get you well on your way [11:18] <_budo> ok : ) [11:19] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] _budo: and if we can tell that you actually tried to help yourself, but it didnt work out, we will go to good lengths to help you too [11:19] _budo: .. naturally under the unspoken promise that when you become a black belter you will help out the newbs yourself [11:20] that is why I like the linux community [11:20] Roelof (i=0@cc939123-b.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:21] a black belt is just someone who's been wearing a white belt for so long that it's gotten dirty & turned black... [11:21] as long as you can show you've tried to find the answer yourself, and are willing to learn, not just be told, they will bend over backwards to help [11:21] hello, i have now anoter problem [11:21] shoot :-) [11:21] my panel with the menu has disappear since i make the plasmoid [11:22] i only see now the plasmoid with the contents of my root dir [11:22] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "brb" [11:22] Roelof: can i have you make a snapshot with ksnapshot and upload it to imagebin.com? [11:23] oh wait? [11:23] is it because you want your desktop to work like in the good old days? [11:23] macavity: Zordrak: http://imagebin.org/55434 http://imagebin.org/55435 I took them with my iPhone.. Anyways. First picture is of my server cluster and they are all 15k scsi drives. Raid10. Second picture is of the AiO's that we have in a raid6. The two boxes are the bottom are what those are. the bottom box is the actual server. the one above is just harddrives with a fiber controller connecting the two together into one massive raid6. To t [11:23] eg, so that it is really just a folder? [11:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Hope that didn't get cut off being a long message and all. [11:23] it did [11:24] what was the last few words? [11:24] "raid6. to t" and it stops there [11:24] one massive raid6. To t [11:24] holy fsck :P [11:24] it's just as much someone's choice to make their desktop look "old school" as much as "new school" [11:24] iinto one massive raid6. To think that i'm going to need another one of those boxes too because i'm running out of space. :P The two dell boxes are VM servers. One is running vmware server 1.4(old i know) and i am getting rid of it here soon. The other is running XenServer, which i love to death. [11:24] 8-) [11:25] TwinReverb: i have my desktop set to "Folder View" [11:25] we are running 2x Dell R900's as an ESX cluster [11:25] macavity, screenshot? [11:25] using iSCSI to an Equilogic SAN for storage [11:25] i have another setup exactly like the one that does raid6. they mirror eachother. Have about 7.something TB's. [11:25] though I like your setup [11:26] agentc0re|work: that's a lot of pr0n [11:26] macavity, see http://imagebin.org/55436 [11:26] the mess below the second picture is my internet.. ;) [11:27] Urchlay: Porn of the heart.. :) it's where we store all of our ultrasound images of the heart, and vascular arteries. Oh and Cath procedures. [11:27] Roelof: do you still have your old ~/.kde ? [11:28] i don't know for sure [11:28] giant81_: The new Xenserver has some cool build in cluster features. and it's free. [11:28] Roelof: is it more something like this you are looking to crate: http://imagebin.org:80/55437 [11:28] agentc0re|work: hrrr, you have the kinda job where if you screw up, someone might die... not sure I could live with that [11:28] TwinReverb: ^^ [11:29] giant81_: was going to take a look at ESXi, but XenServer appeared to be more superior. Both have worked pretty well, although i have had my fair share of small problems with vmware server. It's a pain to rebuild. [11:29] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] Urchlay: Heh. No, not really. Everything is read and processed that day or the next. And if my crap takes a dump, which it has before, then they can always read these images from the machines that took them. [11:30] no, i want only the panel back which contains the menu [11:30] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:30] Roelof: what happens if you hit alt-f2 and type plasma? [11:30] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [11:30] methinks plasma is still running, if the folder view widget is still up there and the background is present [11:30] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-182-140.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] hollywoodb: i think that it runs two processes somehow [11:31] nothing happens [11:31] everything is still the same [11:31] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.157.114) joined ##slackware. [11:31] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [11:32] do I still have to delete the .kde dir [11:32] Roelof: click on the top right menu thing and pick "add widgets" [11:32] oke, i did that [11:33] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:33] ah, fuck.. that only gave the button, not the menubar [11:33] hang on.. [11:33] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:33] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] agentc0re|work: ah. That's a lot less scary [11:35] i think for myself that something is not going well when i make the plasmoid [11:35] Roelof: what happens if you move the mouse to the bottom right corner of the screen? [11:35] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:35] i see add widgets and so on [11:36] on the BOTTOM right? [11:36] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] i see nothing but when i do a right click i see the menu [11:36] and if you left click? [11:37] nothing [11:39] this beats me [11:39] it should not just vanish like that [11:39] you didnt accidently set it to autohid? [11:40] not that i know [11:40] macavity, yay [11:40] it disappear when i make a plasmoid for the contents of the home dir [11:40] Roelof: what happens if you touch the middle of the screen on the bottom with the mouse? [11:40] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] nothing [11:41] damn.. [11:42] how about `kquitapp plasma && plasma` in terminal? [11:42] Roelof: you could try removing ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* [11:43] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [11:44] wait [11:44] there is something WRONG [11:44] look at: http://imagebin.org/55436 [11:44] what is that residual window artefact? [11:44] yeah, there's a partially drawn window in the middle [11:44] Roelof: did you turn off desktop effects like i asked you to? [11:45] Roelof: alt-f2 and type systemsettings [11:45] I've had that happen with the "add new widget" window when plasma hangs after adding a plasmoid... hasn't happened under 4.2.4 on me though. [11:45] Roelof: click: Desktop -> uncheck Enable Desktop Effects [11:45] Roelof: then log out and back in [11:45] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Roelof (i=0@cc939123-b.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] hollywoodb: the problem is that people usually run KDE for the first time with the vesa driver... [11:46] hollywoodb: the vesa driver supports all OpenGL extentions [11:47] hollywoodb: ... non-DRI :P [11:47] hollywoodb: but that gives KDE the wrong world view [11:47] Roelof (i=0@cc939123-b.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Roelof: are we happy? [11:47] nope [11:47] nothing changed [11:48] crap [11:48] does it still misrender when you close windows? [11:48] eg, leave stuff behind like on the screenshot? [11:49] nope, i just close pigdin and nothing left behind [11:49] well.. i hope the rest of the clan can help you, because i have to be somewhere in an hour, and i havent had food yet [11:49] good luck [11:49] how about `kquitapp plasma && plasma` in terminal? [11:50] macavity, thank you for the time [11:50] Hollywood, nothing changed [11:51] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.112.55) joined ##slackware. [11:52] wahooooo8 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] well, I dunno either. I guess I'd quit KDE, fall back to console, `mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old` and start KDE back up again. [11:52] oke, i try that [11:52] Roelof (i=0@cc939123-b.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:52] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [11:52] is there a Google Chrome port for slackware? [11:53] Thursap: there are some chromium builds, or you can run it under wine [11:53] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions [11:54] I haven't tried it, last I heard it was pretty buggy/broken [11:55] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Roelof (i=0@cc939123-b.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:56] hollywood, you were right, Im very happy now [11:57] wish everyone a very very good weekend [11:58] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:58] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] good weekends are always... good :) [12:00] Thursap, it appears from recent news... we all know when chrome for linux will come out officially... with their new OS [12:01] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [12:01] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:02] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Success [12:02] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-162-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [12:02] Roelof (i=0@cc939123-b.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [12:02] I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out that WINE is an integral part of ChromeOS [12:03] hollywoodb, i dont know from what i read its all "cloud" apps [12:03] theres nothing local [12:03] affero gpl ^^ [12:04] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.50.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] its not something im going to be using anyway [12:04] so i ealy dont care [12:05] VampirePenguin: right, but I would expect that they would want their own software (Picasa, etc) to also be capable of running on their own OS, even if it is netbook/cloud oriented [12:05] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-52.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] and since they seem to be in the habit of wine-bundling rather than proper porting... [12:06] hollywoodb, ya but if its an embedded OS thats easy.. an qemu acceleration is possible too [12:07] the only services i use from them are via scroogle, gmail and a website... but ther is nothing on/in those areas i cant easily run local [12:07] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [12:09] i think i got my x/intl/kde4 issues fiexed [12:09] find out in the next couple of days [12:09] I really dig gmail, calendar, reader, and blogger... I think that the chromeOS is a spectacular idea, but have my reservations on how well the idea can be executed [12:10] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.4) joined ##slackware. [12:11] hitest (n=hitest@h24-207-29-70.dlt.dccnet.com) joined ##slackware. [12:11] see i use gmail but with signing/encrytion so they cant keyword scan, never used calendar as i dont want that info public, dont know what reader is, and my journal/blog is encrypted with 448 bit blowfish slow salt hashes [12:11] google reader is for ssh feeds. [12:11] rss* *facepalms* [12:11] lol [12:12] lol [12:12] kde has a awidget taht can do rss [12:12] reader is nice. have the same interface, subscriptions, read/unread, etc, from any location [12:12] greetings from southern Canada in sunny Delta, BC:) [12:12] hollywoodb: I can do the same with newsbeuter on my VPS. ;) [12:12] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) joined ##slackware. [12:13] rehi; what's the toolname to make a tarball from a srcpkg dir? [12:13] bbl [12:13] breakfast [12:13] i just dont like the way google datamines... the only other company i think that comes close ... is walmart [12:14] no, i dont think that's the toolname [12:14] hitest (n=hitest@h24-207-29-70.dlt.dccnet.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:14] Quiznos: you mean 'tar'? or 'makepkg'? what's a srcpkg dir? [12:15] hollywoodb src tar-ball unpacked into local/src, made, output to bin-$version with proper dirs there; i want to make a suitable slackware-ish tarball of that dir tree. [12:16] is makepkg installed from dist? [12:16] or separate pkg? [12:16] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [12:16] Quiznos: it's part of pkgtools [12:16] tyvm. [12:17] hollywoodb very neat! [12:18] Quiznos: start looking into SlackBuilds ;) [12:18] ok tyvm. [12:19] but i dont like gnumake; i prefer Smake. are you aware of this tool? [12:19] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [12:20] i have successfully installed slackware [12:20] i now want to install and use this: http://dwm.suckless.org/ [12:20] boomier [12:20] what would be the best way to approach it? [12:20] download the source and compile myself? [12:20] dustybin: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/dwm/ [12:21] thrice`: should i use that? [12:21] why else would I paste it? [12:21] aye true :D [12:21] dustybin: my advice is stick with ion - dwm sucks by comparison [12:21] i just saw the most random thing >.> [12:21] http://ironwork.jp/monkey_farm/fiat/fiat1.html [12:21] rk4n3: really why? [12:21] dustybin: you don't have the same general flexibility in splitting and sizeing windows [12:21] (in tile mode) [12:22] dustybin: and mixing floating and tile modes is just plain weirdly-bothersome [12:22] is ion featured in the slackware packages already? [12:22] can you recommend me some lightweigh browsers? [12:22] dustybin: unfortunately no, but its easy to get compiled and going [12:22] rk4n3: should i look for a slackbuild? [12:22] Thursap: I really wish I could find a good lightweight browser, too [12:22] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-52.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:23] dustybin: sure - I can't remember if there is one or not [12:23] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/ion/ [12:23] dustybin: haha - whaddaya know, there is one :) [12:24] ok ill test it out :D [12:24] dustybin: if you run into questions about configuration, I may be able to help you with that, too [12:24] ace :D [12:26] is a slackbuild official slackware, or is this some dodgy stuff? [12:26] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d14a4.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [12:26] hello [12:27] a slackbuild is whats used to create slackware packages [12:27] sbo isn't official, but it isn't dodgy either [12:27] They have higher standards [12:27] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) joined ##slackware. [12:27] it's probably the best method, because it's completely transparent [12:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] dustybin: you dont need a package for dwm [12:30] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] IMO just untar it somewhere, edit config.h and make it [12:31] skepsi (n=kvirc@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [12:31] dustybin: a slackbuild is, by definition, just a shell script designed to make an installable package for slackware. There may be many poor and untrustworthy ones out there. However those you find an slackbuilds.org are vetted, trustworthy and as official as unofficial can get [12:32] and a random package is kind of a "black box" to which you have no clue how it was built, or what it includes. a slackbuild lets you, if you wish, check out exactly what will happen when you run the script [12:32] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.112.55) left irc: "leaving" [12:33] thrice`: to be fair, you can explode a package and inspect its contents, but i agree they should be avoided esp as a precompiled binary isnt easily inspected [12:33] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [12:35] at least with the slackbuild, you could rebuild the package and see if it matches the explodepkg'd package [12:36] Yeah but an exploded package wouldn't tell you if it has some weird ass linked library dependency, which might you to require to install half of Gnome or something. [12:36] Couldn't you use ldd to find that out, though, BP{k} ? [12:37] After you explode it.. [12:37] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:37] monstro (n=monstro@201-26-14-224.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:37] eviljames: sure, but how much time do you want to spend ldd-ing someone else's binaries? [12:38] pprkut: personally, precisely zero. Others may have different inclinations. [12:38] well, ldd just shows the binary that you care [12:38] that's quite funny, considering that ldd'ing stuff is how you have to solve dependencies in slackware anyway [12:38] Anyone can help-me with dhcpd.conf ? this is correct: "dhcpd.conf : http://pastebin.com/d3c9b9cda" and "ifconfig : http://pastebin.com/d7fb63ea4" ? [12:38] ananke: no, it's not [12:38] thrice` : yes, it is [12:39] people use ldd to resolve slackware dependencies? [12:39] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:39] Certainly not how you have to, but it certainly is a helpful tool to do so. [12:39] there is no other metadata that describes what packages depend on others [12:39] ananke: README :P [12:39] the slackware "rule of thumb" is do a full install, unless you know what you're doing [12:39] Nor should there be, it's up to the sysadmin to know what they're installing. [12:39] If you want package metadata, there's always debian. [12:39] exactly [12:39] thrice` : that's a cop out answer [12:39] it's a realistic answer [12:39] eviljames : that's not the point [12:40] It's a cop out to expect that a sysadmin understands what they install on their system? hardly. [12:40] ananke: not really... it's sort of the reason you'd be running slackware anyway... [12:40] noone sits on slackware and constantly checks library linking to have a fully running system [12:40] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.50.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:40] eviljames : it's a cop out to say that the only solution to solving dependencies is to do a full install [12:40] why? it's recommended, in capital letters [12:40] even* [12:41] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.138) joined ##slackware. [12:41] ananke: If you aren't confident in what you are doing, do a full install.. that still doesn't sound like a cop out to me. [12:41] thrice` : in that case, why even bother with packages, if no other option was available? [12:41] eviljames : it's a cop out to suggest that ldd cannot be used to solve dependency issue [12:41] i didn't say cannot be used [12:42] and that 'full install' is the only way [12:42] I'm pretty sure I said it could be used to resolve deps.. [12:42] nor did I say that [12:42] I said it's not THE way to resolve dependencies on slackware, meaning "primary", or suggested [12:42] thrice` : i don't see anywhere saying 'THE' [12:43] well, 'have to' is pretty much 'THE' [12:43] the real way to resolve dependencies is to investigate the pre-reqs for the package you want to install/build [12:43] ananke: you said "have to" [12:44] which it surely is not the recommended way to go. it's useful, sure, but obviously not what to expect people to do [12:44] Necos: You win the prize! [12:45] but as slackware users, we already know that [12:45] ldd doesnt find all dependencies. the deps ldd finds will most likely get reported as a failure if you try to run a binary [12:45] s/already/should already/; [12:45] lol [12:46] :) [12:46] thrice` : then i should have made it clear, if you don't perform the full install, you have to use ldd [12:47] I don't have a full install, and I almost never use ldd [12:47] no, the binary will complain on its own [12:47] and slackpkg's search feature is quite handy [12:48] thrice` : binary complaining about missing library is the same as using ldd. no difference there [12:48] pprkut: same here [12:48] exit [12:48] ok, I'm not interrested in splitting hairs, you win ananke [12:48] lol [12:48] ldd just gives you a list of _all_ possible missing libs, so you don't have to rinse & repeat [12:49] So, in short, ldd is a useful tool for resolving dependencies should the sysadmin not understand the package they are attempting to install/run. [12:49] what about firefox, for example? it will report plenty of missing libraries on 32-bit, but still run fine [12:49] point still remains: eviljames: sure, but how much time do you want to spend ldd-ing someone else's binaries? <- similar problems affect normal slack packages [12:50] I'm with pprkut though, I omit hundreds of packages, and never run ldd either [12:50] eviljames : i wouldn't call it 'understanding', as much as 'predicting'. some software may depend on stuff that you may not easily guess [12:52] im not sure if i trust slackbuilds, why not just compile into /usr/local like a normal human [12:52] I think that's why you'd read up on it prior to install. [12:52] but that's why you inspect the website for the package, etc... [12:52] dustybin: and how are you going to remove it if you don't like it? [12:52] dustybin: because it's messy, and makes uninstalling or upgrading nearly impossible [12:52] But the website doesn't always say [12:52] that's what .tgz's are for [12:52] ok its kinda off topic... whats a good international/overseas paper.. london times?? [12:52] that's what *any* package management is for [12:53] dustybin : tracking it is a pain, uninstall/upgrade, etc [12:53] hmmm, i thought slackware purists are meant to know where every single file installs to [12:53] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [12:53] no, you're wrong. slackware users are lazy [12:53] that's why we're slackers lol [12:53] its a shame slackware doesnt use pacman [12:53] Necos : and do you really care to read the website for every piece of software you install, and find all the possible dependencies it may use, be it slang vs ncurses, etc? [12:54] no it's not dustybin [12:54] why? [12:54] because pkgtools is better [12:54] because we're not archlinux [12:54] aye ok [12:54] :D [12:54] and because we like pkgtools [12:54] dustybin: no; slackware exists for people who don't *want* dependency tracking. it's a feature, not something that's lacking [12:54] ok [12:54] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] ananke: yes, if I need to. That's why I chose Slackware [12:54] ok how about this [12:55] i create my own package [12:55] dustybin: For things that I don't manage in a package I toss 'em into /usr/local -- but I also regularly erase everything there because I know I don't want stuff there. [12:55] for dwm [12:55] pprkut : so now, what qualifies as 'need to'? [12:55] ananke: every package that's not in a/ap/l, i inspect to make sure there's not anything keeping me from running it [12:55] to hell with it /usr/local is good enough [12:55] Necos : so what's your approach for xorg? [12:56] i will just erase it when it gets too messy [12:56] if you stick to package sets, as slackware lays out, you really won't have trouble with dependencies [12:56] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] ananke: easy, do all of x/ [12:56] dustybin: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/dwm/ [12:56] its not as if i need a zillion packages installed [12:56] xorg gets completely installed [12:56] BP{k}: who can i trust that script? [12:57] *how [12:57] thrice` : but that now differs from what Necos was saying. he said he inspects websites [12:57] missed that one... my bad [12:57] if you don't mess with a/, l/, or, for example, x/ in this case, you'll generally be ok [12:57] dwm doesnt need a package. you have to edit the source to customise [12:57] BP{k}: i might of been created by a spotty teen in his bedroom [12:57] dustybin: no, I'm quite sure you didn't write that. [12:57] :D [12:57] :) [12:57] dustybin: because you can speak to the authors... quite a few of them are regulars in this channel.. [12:58] Action: dustybin hides [12:58] why does Necos inspect web sites? [12:58] dustybin: because it's tested by a select group of admins before it gets approved [12:58] ok i will test out the slackbuild right now [12:58] i was saying that i read-up on a package before i install or build it [12:58] (ion) [12:58] you can always just read the .SlackBuild [12:59] I will skim over the source code before I install an unrecognized package. [12:59] there are generally alot of things that should go on in installing software than "./configure, make, make install" [12:59] ananke: ok, you win. I'm not reading up on webpages for slackware core packages. But I do for almost every app I install from SBo, to make sure I get the featureset I want [12:59] exactly [12:59] but it is informal.. a scanner would do better [13:00] I've never caught anything suspicious, but I have spotted poorly written code. =) [13:00] lol [13:01] pi31415 : problem with that is like finding a needle in a haystack [13:01] it's always a nice thing to download the tarball and ./configure --help and check out what options there are for ya [13:01] egregor (n=yyyyyyyy@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [13:02] pi31415 : and i agree, it would be nice to have some kind of scanner for detecting basic potential malicious functions [13:02] it would be nice if those were built in to those code repository managers [13:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:10] So did i tell you guys about how, i think our cleaning crew out at one of our offices did this, one of our PC's was logged into late in the evening and had someone surf some porn on it? [13:12] Cleaning staff are so fun. [13:12] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] They stole the optical media for ms office 2007 from me. [13:13] Well get this. Told the office manager there and the doc's about what happened, right? Well they call the building owners and told them about it and that's as far as it went... [13:13] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] akSeya (n=psycho@201.22.57.80.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:13] agentc0re|work: what kind of porn? [13:13] NOT LENNY [13:14] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d14a4.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [13:14] agentc0re: i've seen that reaction happen many times [13:14] either the company couldn't be bothered, or the employee is too important to reprimand [13:14] has anyone here tried using acpitool with their laptop? [13:15] So it's been 3 weeks, hadn't heard from the manager about what they did to resolve the issue. In my mind there is only one way to resolve the issue, fire them. [13:15] though they take action when people view it in public places during business hours [13:16] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:16] So when i got her reply about how she just let them take care of it, it really pissed me off. I cc'd all her doc's and our Board of directors first asking why they were fired and then asking for the name and # of the person she spoke with. [13:16] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.154.238.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] why they were NOT fired? [13:16] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Today there was a managers meeting and our Managing Physician was pissed off at me because of my email that i had sent because i made that manager look like she wasn't doing her job correctly. [13:17] pi31415: Nope, not fired. [13:17] "I cc'd all her doc's and our Board of directors first asking why they were fired" [13:17] agentc0re|work: if it looks like she isn't doing her job to everyone, then.... [13:18] No one admitted to doing anything, but i don't give a shit. My PC was hacked by password guessing and then they surfed porn on it. [13:18] pi31415: Thats what i did, and i got in trouble for doing it. [13:18] agentc0re: why do you care and why isn't it enough that you reported it? [13:18] pi31415: I can no longer send emails to our BoD and other doctors with out first having a manager approve of it. [13:19] s/reported it/reported it to your manager/ [13:22] bakednoodle (n=bakednoo@12.235.4.163) joined ##slackware. [13:22] eviljames, what you mean they stole [13:23] We're a medical clinic. We hold the KEY to identity theft. Why wouldn't i care about this? I guess it's hard to describe why i pursue it so hard. Most of the managers are incompetent here, esp. this one out at that office. for example, today my manager was scorned for wearing flip flops. Today is a dress down day for us. And they are nice flip flops, leather and they look good. No some cheapo's mind you. They don't care about this porn thing [13:23] wtf!?! [13:23] bakednoodle (n=bakednoo@12.235.4.163) left irc: Client Quit [13:25] Maybe i am just going too above and beyond of what is expected of me. Maybe all i should be doing is reporting what i see and stop at there. But when i know someone isn't going to do anything about it... I dunno. It's just not my way, i guess, to ignore things like that. [13:26] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] you can only do your best. [13:26] I care about what i do and how i do it. When someone gets in my system and gets around what i put up for filters, they need to be punished. If it's our employee's i wouldn't expect them to be fired and i would just block all their inet. However it was someone from the outside that has no business on my network. [13:26] "flapjax", a name chosen really badly... [13:26] ( http://www.flapjax-lang.org/index.html ) [13:26] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:26] agentc0re|work: you can only do your best. [13:27] same goes for everyone else you work with [13:27] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "boot" [13:27] spook: Ya. It's just when i think that i am doing my "best" and then get in trouble(my manager got yelled at because of me, but i didn't get yelled at) because i was doing what i thought was best...Is just complete BS. [13:28] if other people dont do their best, thats when stuff goes to shit [13:28] Oh well. I have a sign above my monitors telling me to "Fly low".. I think my wings need to be clipped and it should say, crawl even lower. :D [13:28] fallertsen (n=lupin@host1-42-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] spook: If you could only see how things work here for one week... you'd be "Oh Snap!" ;) [13:29] agentc0re|work: heh. [13:29] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-11dfe4cd21b345e5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:29] our doc's want a bonus so bad, because money is short right now, they are taking money out of our profit sharing to bonus themselves. [13:30] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-bf00907804399318) joined ##slackware. [13:30] While i sit here on our back end with servers on their last legs running windows server 2000... [13:30] heh [13:31] hmmm i wonder how much time has passed in simpsons. [13:32] spook: If only the eel canon really existed. :D [13:32] it does [13:32] picture link! [13:32] you freeze eels [13:33] get a tube [13:33] add gunpowder [13:33] LOTS of gunpowder [13:35] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] LOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of gunpowder [13:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:36] muahahaha [13:36] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Success [13:36] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-29-63.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[13:46] bot-net: use these instead: http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/slamd64/slackware64-current/ [13:46] hence the idea of breaking a lot of stuff, as i needed to rename libXft and move it off the dvd into /usr/lib64 just to get urxvt to open, let alone what other problems i am liable to face next i reboot [13:46] Dominian: thats what i used [13:46] Well, those aren't slamd64 [13:46] those were built specificly for slackware64 [13:47] 32bit opengl stuff works fine for me [13:47] well, the URL says slamd64 in it, so i assumed they were from there [13:47] i am trying to compile wine, an dit is sying no opengl libraries found, but i do have a /usr/lib64/libGL* [13:48] eh [13:48] just get the 32bit slackware build of wine from winehq [13:48] and be done with it.. [13:48] bot-net: the wine compilation *requires* 32bit libraties [13:48] you're going to have so many problems doing things the hard way [13:49] it seems i always do things the hard way... Dominian, does that differ greatly from the slackbuild script? [13:50] its less pain to just get the package [13:52] well i see a .tgz for slackware 10.2, but it leads to some RPM and source downloads on sourceforge, is that what you are referrign to? [13:56] plee2 (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [13:57] http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/slackbuilds/wine/ has a package for you bot-net [13:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:57] fawcao (n=fawcao@201.38.18.147) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:58] illuz1oN (i=500@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:59] thanks alienBOB, I will try that [14:01] Yo alien [14:02] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [14:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [14:03] illuz1oN (i=500@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p3EE3A7B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Night-Horse1 (n=sheri@62.139.252.90) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Kenny_Duehit (n=Kenny_Du@CPE0015e9698772-CM001ac316ac14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/min0s) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:09] "wine: cannot execute binary file" i am just not having a good day.. [14:10] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: "smegma" [14:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hello [14:11] bot-net, me neither.. hehe [14:11] bonjour [14:12] eviljames, coucou français ? [14:12] I on the other hand am having a great day, granted it only started 1 hour ago. [14:13] fredoslack: je suis Canadian, mon francais.. uh.. c'est pas bon. :D [14:13] eviljames, bah toujours mieux que mon anglais lool [14:13] hahah [14:13] lol [14:13] Kenny_Duehit, If my hd3200 card can start to function as it should, my day might be saved :) But my vacation started some hours ago, so it's not all bad [14:13] je cherche à faire fonctionner wine 32 sur la slackware64 [14:13] hehe [14:14] but it don't work bien [14:14] fredoslack: le slamd64 avais package pour compatibility. [14:14] package [14:14] what do you mean [14:14] plee2: I wanna go on a vacation! But first I need a job that i can go on vacation from! [14:14] i think at this point, it is in my best interest to scrap the whole thing, and just do a fresh install when 13 is officially released...i have made such a mess of things with symlinks between libraries, renaming of files to get stuff to compile, etc... [14:14] huh... what is this... [14:14] fredoslack: .tgz files for 32 bit compatibility - works well with wine I found. [14:14] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Kenny_Duehit, hehe :) [14:15] < [14:15] eviljames, ok je lookerai this [14:16] fredoslack: j'avais un link - sec. [14:16] eviljames, ok si tu l'as toujours je veux bien [14:16] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-bf00907804399318) left irc: [14:16] i've installed all the 32-bit compatibility packages from a certain fred's ftp site, yet wine still does not work, i suspect a result of my incompetence and haphazard file system abuse...or some such [14:17] fredoslack: http://www.slackware.org.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current [14:17] ok it's idem for me [14:17] bot-net: Did you use the wine from builds.slamd64.com ? [14:17] eviljames, merci very much [14:17] i note [14:17] bot-net: also, read the README file :D [14:17] i used the wine from alienBOB's mirror [14:18] ça parle franglais :P [14:18] paissad, ah bin je fais comme je peux lool [14:18] fredoslack: c'est rien. :D [14:18] eviljames, la slack64 [14:18] mmh <3 <3 [14:18] je rigole :) [14:18] i love lol [14:19] I'm just putting it back onto my laptop, dual boot with OpenSolaris. [14:19] it's well OpenSolaris ? [14:19] is OpenSolaris nice ? [14:19] yes, OpenSolaris is very nice. [14:20] i have never tested [14:20] I think so. [14:20] It seems there are people who agree with me :D [14:20] better than slack ? :( [14:20] Not better or worse, just different. [14:20] ok ouf :p [14:21] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:22] slackware.com is working now [14:22] I'm having trouble with my ati radeon hd3200 onboard videocard, using the ati catalyst 9.6 driver. When using radeonhd driver, I get full width and height on my tv, but when using fglrx there is a frame around the X "image". As a virtual window size that is too small for the physical screen. [14:22] since yersteday i think [14:22] yesterday * [14:24] <_budo> does slackware use ports? [14:25] Action: fredoslack watch the changelog [14:25] _budo: nope. [14:26] <_budo> manually compile? [14:26] SlackBuilds [14:26] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "fui cliente" [14:26] yes i'ts better [14:26] more clean [14:26] is it true or no [14:27] freetype 32-bit development files? [14:27] <_budo> and Slackbuilds is described in the handbook ? [14:27] gahhhh [14:28] _budo: try slackwiki.org as well as slackbuilds.org [14:28] fredoslack: It's somewhat lateral. ports is a good system on FreeBSD, but I haven't seen a good use of it outside the bsd world. SlackBuilds are (in my eyes) the optimal way of Linux packaging. [14:28] Night-Horse (n=sheri@62.139.87.192) left irc: Connection timed out [14:28] BSD ports cant be that easily customised afaik. which sucks [14:29] eviljames, ok [14:29] sahko: make config works for most of them - if they have options. [14:30] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-73.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:30] flashplayer64 work nice under slackware64 :} [14:31] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:31] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] eviljames: does make config make em automatically lose dependencies? eg. if i diable gtk on pidgin, will it pick that up? [14:32] i would have prefered a free way but i haven't found [14:33] so...are those 32bit compatibility packages supposed to cause a lot of problems? it seems they have already made libXft incompatible, and now also makedep and ld-linux are incompatible with my 64bit system.. [14:33] sahko: afaik, yes. enabling/disabling of dependencies can be controlled in make config [14:33] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.132.16) joined ##slackware. [14:34] bot-net: I haven't seen any problems with them yet. [14:34] eviljames: ah didnt know that. havent bothered with ports much all the times i used any of the BSDs [14:34] how can i save my backrground picture in fluxbox? [14:34] hmm, well i just installed them, and they appear to have overwritten some files with 32-bit versions that now will not execute [14:35] this might be a dumb question, but how do you upgrade upgradepkg [14:35] How do I set -rw------- for all the files in the system but keep drwx------ on dirs? [14:35] mirash: you mean so it's that background all the time? [14:35] giant81_: upgradepkg is in pkgtools. [14:35] thanks [14:35] i want to set it as the background even when i change anything [14:35] pri4pus: find -type f [14:36] By files in the system I wanted to say /home/user files. [14:36] can yo use upgradepkg to install pkg tools? [14:36] if i reboot my machine, that pic may loose [14:36] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:36] alienBOB, hi there [14:36] mirash: you need to add a line in ~/.fluxbox/startup. /usr/bin/fbsetbg /path/to/image/here [14:36] giant81_: Sure, are you moving to -current? [14:36] attempting to [14:36] alienBOB, i'm still having propblem with that iptables rules [14:37] bot-net: That seems odd, I hadn't seen that happen to me. I will be testing again today sometime. [14:37] aviljames: Thank you! [14:37] pri4pus: man find - it is really useful. [14:38] alienBOB, i'm using this rules http://pastebin.com/d4203c11b based on that yours Parental control slackbook [14:38] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-041-44-144.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:38] eviljames: :-) [14:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p3EE3A7B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [14:38] Sorry! [14:38] it may be a result of that i did recompile libXft with a slackbuild to patch it for some font fixes so the file location changed to a non-default location, but i do not know how makedep could have been messed up or ld-linux [14:38] giant81_: ensure to remove the packages that are no longer needed, after that you can try "upgradepkg --install-new a/*tgz", followed by "upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z". [14:38] giant81_: obviously, read the readme before executing those commands :D [14:39] eviljames: But first I did not figure out that that is possible this way. [14:39] eviljames, yeah I've been going through the upgrade document but got caught up with the different package format [14:39] giant81_: the files needed to support that new package format are still in .tgz format in the a/ series. Afterwards t?z will catch tgz and txz (but not, .txt.gz for example) [14:40] alienBOB, the problem is that it's blocking everything :( [14:41] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:41] akSeya: pastbin the output of iptables-save [14:42] eviljames, heureusement que j'ai conservé mon petit dictionnaire français-anglais anglais-français de mes études hi hi [14:42] Alan_Hicks, http://pastebin.com/d5247d154 [14:42] dictionnaire informatique ;) [14:42] Thank you. [14:42] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [14:43] bot-net (n=void@209.180.207.66) left irc: "leaving" [14:44] bot-net (n=void@209.180.207.66) joined ##slackware. [14:44] fredoslack: haha c'est tres important ca! malheureusement, je navais pas conserve. j'avais attendez l'ecole immersion francais a 6-12 ans. [14:44] ok eviljames hé hé [14:44] fredoslack: I'm certain that my memory has failed me and my vocabulary and grammar are quite poor in the phrases above. [14:45] akSeya: Dumb-ass question. eth1 is your Internet facing NIC, right? [14:45] eviljames, euh là je sèche lool [14:45] Alan_Hicks, yeap [14:45] eviljames: fredoslack: English please. [14:45] Alan_Hicks, yes sorry [14:45] hahah [14:46] i will try :( [14:46] akSeya: Ok. So what exactly is getting blocked that shouldn't be getting blocked? [14:47] Alan_Hicks, squid .. i have some squid rules to block orkut.. but when I add that iptables rules, it's blocking every site, not only orkut [14:47] eviljames, what version of slackware have you got ? [14:48] Alan_Hicks, as I use LTSP, I need the ltsp clients to get blocked too.. [14:48] what's your version sorry [14:48] akSeya: That doesn't exactly answer my question. Do you mean to say that the server the firewall is running on cannot access HTTP? [14:48] fredoslack: 13.0rc1, I am installing a new copy right now. [14:48] ok eviljames ... a 32 bits's version ? [14:48] or a 64 [14:49] fredoslack: poor english is apparently preferred to nice french (and strongly preferred to my poor french :D) [14:49] Oakenfold (n=chatzill@190.41.145.195) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Maybe I understand better now. You want to block HTTP traffic for all users except for the squid user, correct? [14:49] Oakenfold (n=chatzill@190.41.145.195) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009060506]" [14:49] fredoslack: so don't apologize about your englis. Also, there are both but I am using 64bi. [14:49] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:49] ;) [14:49] fredoslack: Your English is better than mine. :^) [14:50] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.132.16) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] Alan_Hicks, actually, I want to block orkut on every machine on the network (even the server)... [14:50] binary_ (n=binary@5e01b6c8.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Alan_Hicks, orkut is just a sample.. i'll add some more sites on squid later on [14:50] akSeya: Ok. That may best be done in your squid config and not in iptables. [14:50] Forget orkut for the moment. [14:51] My question is... do you want to force local users (these LTSP clients essentially) to go through squid in order to access HTTP pages? [14:51] Alan_Hicks, yeap.. that's it [14:52] and the squid is installed on LTSP server too [14:52] ok. It looks like your firewall is setup properly. Perhaps the trouble is with your squid configuration? [14:52] Alan_Hicks, leme pastebin it.. one sec [14:52] i have a computer that randomly powers down and won't power back up until i pull the plug for a while [14:52] Can you verify that packets to port 80 get redirected to port 3128? [14:52] it almost never happens under linux but happens frequently under windows [14:53] pi31415: power/heat management? [14:53] must be [14:53] Alan_Hicks, http://dpaste.com/65595/ [14:53] pi31415: Which probably means that Linux is ignoring the warnings, where Windows is forcibly shutting down no matter what you want. [14:54] Alan_Hicks, I think they are, when I try to access any site, i get a Squid access denied message [14:54] akSeya: Then your problem almost certainly is with squid, not iptables. [14:55] \o/ it's installing [14:55] so it's either going to work or blow up misserably [14:55] akSeya: I'm not a squid expert, but I'm trying to figure this out. [14:56] giant81_: woot! [14:56] akSeya: Most likely, your localhost or localnet acls aren't being properly triggered. [14:56] akSeya: As a test, change the "http_access deny all" line to "http_access allow all", restart squid, and try again. [14:57] If that works, you need to figure out what is wrong with squid. [14:57] Alan_Hicks will find the fix, from deep inside his bag of tricks. [14:57] O.o [14:57] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] I have an extra computer screen setup beside me now....at the top it advertises "Low Radiation" =-O [14:57] ofcourse it was a completely fresh install of 12.2 that I'm upgrading so it would probably have been easier to just install -current instead, but you w ork with what you have [14:58] rob0 will find the fault, in everyone, just like John Galt! [14:58] mcnalu (n=mcnalu@cpc2-broo3-0-0-cust996.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] lol [14:58] Alan_Hicks, yeah.. it worked ... [14:58] if anyone wants to help me wreck some havok against qwest, go here and sign up for 4 tickets. http://guest.cvent.com/EVENTS/Info/Summary.aspx?e=ab8ee1ac-39e9-4cd9-be92-ceb3f8343470 [14:58] akSeya: Ok. Gimme a second. I'm checking a similar installation of my own. [14:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:00] akSeya: pastebin the last few dozen lines from squid's access.log file. [15:00] hm. Is any CDR drive actually capable of burning reliably at 40x or 48x speed, or is this strictly a marketing myth? [15:00] Alan_Hicks, now the sites I want to block are blocked on LTSP clients, but not for other machines [15:00] Ok, hold on.... [15:00] This is both an LTSP server and a NAT gateway for non-LTSP-clients? [15:00] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:00] jiraia (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:01] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:225) joined ##slackware. [15:01] FOXNews [15:01] World leaders take fresh approach on global hunger [15:01] Alan_Hicks, last 50 access.log lines http://dpaste.com/65602/ [15:01] hey, what about lunch?!? [15:01] Urchlay, i read that it is only true for part of the disc [15:01] rob0: Soylent Green? [15:01] rob0: TANSTAAFL [15:01] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] Urchlay: HAHAHAHA [15:01] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [15:02] pi31415: bleah, I just made 4 coasters in a row with cdrecord because I forgot to tell it "-speed 8", so it tried to run at 40x (the drive and the blank disks both claim to be capable of 48x...) [15:02] eviljames: Show me please the right way to apply chmod -x on all files (not directories). I did not manage to do that with find. [15:03] find /wherever -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod -x [15:03] strange, I thought that there were hardware features to pause/resume burning to avoid making coasters [15:03] Urchlay: beat me to it. [15:03] pi31415: yeah, there are, and cdrecord claims to be using it: BURN-Free is ON. [15:04] pi31415: however it also doesn't recognize the media, apparently: Capacity Blklen/Sparesz. Format-type Type 16763814 2048 0x00 No Media Present or Unknown Capacity [15:04] akSeya: Ok. This is what I thought was happening. [15:04] sometimes blanks are just bad, turn out coasters regardless [15:04] akSeya: 1247241466.990 0 192.168.100.254 TCP_DENIED/403 2915 [15:04] akSeya: Notice what the requesting IP address is? [15:04] hum [15:05] localnet src [15:05] twolf: yeah, but 4 in a row out of a spindle I've been using for a while (which have worked fine at 8x, I just forgot to slow it down this time) [15:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] akSeya: Not quite. [15:06] I changed it now... [15:06] akSeya: You need to add an ACL for your LTSP clients. Something like acl LTSP src 192.168.1.254/32 [15:07] and changed the "http_access deny all" again [15:07] Then add an "http_access allow LTSP" line. [15:07] hum... [15:07] :P [15:07] leme try [15:07] I've never ever seen any drive burn a disc at any speed higher than about 16x where the disc actually came out good (not on any OS, with any combination of media and drive)... just wondering if the faster speeds are complete vaporware invented by lying marketing bastards to make people think "48 is bigger than 24, these must be better"... [15:07] Ok. Go ahead and pastebin your changed squid.conf and the access.log file again. [15:08] bye every body [15:08] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [15:09] Alan_Hicks, squid.conf http://dpaste.com/65607/ [15:09] I am trying to configure my WPA2 wireless network to connect at boot, but I can't seem to figure out why the /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 script isn't doing what I want it to with the .conf file. [15:10] access.log http://dpaste.com/65608/ [15:10] I setup /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf with the essid and psk, and set /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf with the essid, told it to use dhcp, and wpa supplicant. however, the rc.inet1 script doesn't execute either dhclient or wpa_supplicant. it doesn't set the essid either. [15:11] akSeya: Ok, so it appears to me that everything is working fine from LTSP clients, correct? [15:11] correct [15:11] mx4432r (i=ad09070a@gateway/web/freenode/x-d4693d64da882120) joined ##slackware. [15:11] but now, the localnet machines can access block sites [15:11] Show me the access.log when a non-LTSP client connects. [15:11] Urchlay, you mean like the 72x 7 laser pickup Zen drives of the past? [15:11] hum.. it should be there... [15:11] Hello. I am having trouble configuring my slack 12.2 box to use two IP addresses (it has two NICS) [15:12] GREAT drives for about 2 months then they died horribly [15:12] I would like to have one face the internet, and one be an internal network IP [15:12] akSeya: All I see are accesses by 192.168.100.254 [15:12] Night-Horse1 (n=sheri@62.139.252.90) left ##slackware. [15:12] rc.inet1.conf: IFNAME[1]="wlan0"\USE_DHCP="YES"\WLAN_ESSID="uv186h"\WLAN_WPA[1]="wpa_supplicant"\WLAN_WPADRIVER="wext" [15:12] yeah.. I notice that too.. [15:12] mx4432r: edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [15:12] I knew I should have bought an Nvidia card [15:12] maybe add a FORWARD on iptables [15:12] ? [15:12] akSeya: Hold on there hoss! [15:13] I edited /etc/rc.inet1.conf to include internal network settings for eth1, and ifconfig shows what I want as the IP addresses, but now I can't reach the webservers, etc that I'm running, from internal or external IP address [15:13] mx4432r: did you set the gateway? [15:13] akSeya: tail -f the access log and connect to any site from a non-LTSP connection. Does it still put that 192.168.100.254 entry in there? [15:13] mx, pastebin "ip a ; ip r" and "iptables-save -c" if you're using a firewall. [15:13] zaltekk: I left the gateway unchanged, set to the value that my ISP supplied for my static IP [15:14] can anyone give me something to go on with my wireless problem? [15:14] Alan_Hicks, no changes on access.log [15:14] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart produces no output at all [15:14] my setup is, I have a modem from the ISP which is also a router, and the computer that self-assigns my static IP gets all internet traffic directed to that address [15:14] akSeya: No changes at all?! [15:14] giant81_: eh, I meant any run-of-the-mill drive. I don't think 48x is possible except maybe in carefully controlled laboratory conditions [15:14] at all [15:15] those old zen drives, they were the ones that used to shake themselves to pieces? [15:15] akSeya: So basically, non-LTSP clients aren't even accessing squid, right? [15:15] right [15:15] akSeya: Know why? [15:15] weirdly, I can access the internet from my box, but can't get any of my web pages, file servers, nothing, from the public internet [15:15] Alan_Hicks, I was thinking about -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 3128 [15:15] akSeya: BINGO! [15:15] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.10) joined ##slackware. [15:16] That's only hit when the packet originates on the firewall. [15:16] You also need -A FORWARD -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT # the rest is left as an excersize to the reader [15:16] anybody? i'd rather not have to use rc.local to configure my network [15:17] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) joined ##slackware. [15:17] zaltekk: Little busy right now. Gimme a few. [15:17] Oh. nevermind, I'm just an *idiot*. [15:17] zaltekk: akSeya's problem is more interesting. [15:17] zal, I'll look at your pastebin, but ... did you make one yet?? [15:17] rob0: eh....kinda hard when i haven't gotten the network working. [15:17] I didn't plug my new switch into the router my ISP gave me. just plugged the box into the new switch. somehow that screwed up the other NIC plugged into the router. [15:17] let me find a usb drive [15:17] mx4432r: Lemme guess... you didn't activate ip_forwarding? [15:18] Kinda hard to help without the information [15:18] I don't actually want IP forwarding [15:18] ah [15:18] rob0: let me find a usb drive :) [15:18] just an internal IP for that server, so I can export NFS stuff to it [15:18] Action: rob0 refuses to allow zaltekk to find a flash drive! [15:18] akSeya: Wait... I told you wrong. [15:18] iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 [15:19] anyway... thanks for the suggestions, all [15:19] mx4432r (i=ad09070a@gateway/web/freenode/x-d4693d64da882120) left irc: "Page closed" [15:20] Alan_Hicks, well.. thanks a lot!!! now it's working like a charm [15:20] Does anyone know offhand if xorg has gotten to a point where it no longer needs a conf file? [15:20] akSeya: No problem. [15:21] eviljames: In some cases, it can work fine without a conf file, but many boxes will require one for full functionality of the hardware. [15:21] I hadn't been following closely enough on the list whether they'd reached that goal yet or not. [15:21] Thanks. [15:21] zaltekk: Ok, what exactly is your problem? [15:22] eviljames: I know for a fact that things like the synaptics driver will benefit from having a xorg.conf file. [15:22] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78.86.1.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:22] Alan_Hicks: Well, that settles it. My intel graphics & synaptics touchpad probably require a conf file :/ [15:22] Alan_Hicks: i've been trying to setup rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant.conf to autostart my WPA wireless network on boot [15:22] zaltekk: Why go that route instead of wicd? Are you only going to be on one wifi network? [15:23] eviljames: Be aware that the latest intel GPU driver can eat babies. [15:23] eviljames: i just want the home network [15:23] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [15:23] zaltekk: Oooh sorry... I don't do wpa. [15:24] Alan_Hicks: So I've heard. I was having lockups under kde4 not long ago, but it might have been configuration related. I'll be careful, hopefully they've updated their man page. [15:24] Alan_Hicks: it seems that /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 doesn't do anything whatsoever [15:24] Out of vengeance I tried kde on opensolaris... mistake. kde-solaris is not ready for prime time.. yet. [15:24] eviljames: Lockups with KDE4 and the new intel drivers are common. You may need to revert to the older drivers. [15:24] Alan_Hicks: even if I just say it is an unsecured dhcp network, it doesn't try to do any configuration [15:24] Never. I think only of the future. [15:24] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:25] eviljames: Sometimes the future is a real piece of shit. [15:25] zaltekk: are you actually goign to show your rc.inet1.conf, or just continue complaining that it doesn't work? [15:25] I promise that it DOES work when configured properly ;) [15:25] hey hey hey [15:25] Good thing they provide the source code so we can all help pull that turd out of the toilet and polish it up, eh? [15:26] Cann0n: I pictured you snapping your fingers and doing a little dance while saying that. I think all the previews of Bruno are getting to my head... [15:26] eviljames: for what [15:26] eviljames: Not as simple as it sounds. There are HUGE changes there. HUGE. [15:26] And it's basically a code dump. [15:26] eviljames: just because i like anal beads doesnt mean im all the way gay... [15:26] y0 Cann0n [15:27] sup fire|bird? [15:27] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] thrice` i know. give me a few moreminutes [15:27] Cann0n: not much here, you? [15:27] Cann0n: for intel drivers for xorg. and there's nothing inherently wrong with anal beads.. [15:27] just got my motorcycle running and was hopping this i met last week hd weed but he wasnt home [15:28] eviljames: ah. yeah. source = ftw [15:28] Alan_Hicks: Yeah, I've been sort-of following the list for a while now, lots of big changes ahead in xorg, eh? [15:28] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.84.4.185) joined ##slackware. [15:28] eviljames: Yeah. Too mayn ancronyms for me to keep up with, let alone explain. [15:29] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:29] I might be interested in Google's new Linux distro whenever they release it [15:29] mogunus1 (n=marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Can I expect a slackware 12.1 box to mount an nfs share being exported from a debian lenny box? [15:29] mogunus1: yes [15:29] pi31415: another ubuntu? :) [15:30] skepsi: not really [15:30] I'll be interested, but certainly not going to switch. [15:30] it would be cool to have javascript bindings to all the system stuff [15:30] doubt it would be a lisp machine but it could be fun [15:31] hmm... i have not too much informations :-/ [15:31] Alan_Hicks: heh, DRI2+GEM+MPX+INPUTHOTNESS+EXA+UXA+WTF+BBQ+OMG! [15:31] another ubuntu! hurray [15:31] Okay. I must have some other problem then. I can mount my share from another lenny box, but not from the slackware box. (this is the one I just fixed the two-nic config on) [15:31] thrice`: \o/, just what we need. :P [15:32] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] There's not a whole lot wrong with the google os, imho. They have deep pockets for marketing [15:32] ubuntu isn't bad ;) [15:32] i have never even seen ubuntu running [15:32] and a PILE of brand recognition. People don't say :" I'll search the internet for it..." They always say "I'll Google it." [15:32] it's not the most popular distro just because mr. shuttleworth gives away CD's [15:33] thrice`: no, not bad, for what it's goals and target user base is, it's perfect. [15:33] s/perfect/acceptable and getting better/ [15:33] mogunus1: Without seeing information, I can only suggest to check that /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc is executable and was started. [15:33] eviljames: yeah, that fits better. thanks. :) [15:33] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [15:33] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-143-238.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-145-142.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:34] eviljames: I've had someone tell me "google for it on yahoo"... with a straight face [15:34] thrice`: I actually have a Kubuntu Live CD booted on my windows box atm. :P [15:34] Urchlay: Sure, and why not? Everybody 'googles' things. Putting that weight behind the OS is not exactly a 'fail' move. [15:35] Urchlay: The rubes don't understand what they're saying 90+% of the time anyway. [15:35] just remember...Google is not a verb. [15:35] Urchlay: :D NC :D [15:35] rob0: works fine now. sorry, obvious questions. thanks. [15:36] antiwire: Google has been made a verb, it is much, much too late for you to undo that. [15:36] lol [15:36] antiwire: How often do you catch yourself saying: "Dude, just f'n google it." in here? [15:36] or rather, a verb alias [15:36] http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Agoogle&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [15:36] is too [15:36] eviljames: I know [15:36] Does chattr work on ext3? As in man says it does not but there are also some comments. [15:36] google == to use google to search for... [15:36] eviljames: what bugs me are the completely incompetent and proud-of-it management types, who nevertheless make technical decisions ("Oh, we'll do this in Java, I was talking to my golf buddy and he said Java's good for e-commerce") [15:36] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] I try to say something like 'just use Google' instead but sometimes that doesn't happen [15:37] antiwire: lmgtfy.com? [15:37] lmgtfy.com is my favorite site. [15:37] lmgtfy is using it as a verb too though [15:38] justfuckinggoogleit.com [15:38] pri4pus: ...ext3 does support using chattr [15:38] pri4pus: re-read the manpage [15:38] Urchlay: Java has its place, but I don't think the front page of an e-commerce website is it.. [15:38] I hate when nouns get "verbed"... but a human language is whatever its speakers agree it is, so there's no point trying to stop it :( [15:39] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:39] it's clear that chattr is supported and only some aspects are not. [15:39] AMyone here skate? [15:39] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:40] eviljames: eh, was just an example. These are the guys who proudly say "I don't know anything about all that IT stuff"... straight out of ancient greece or the middle ages (gentlemen/nobility don't do skilled labor; that's for helots or peasants) [15:40] mcnalu (n=mcnalu@cpc2-broo3-0-0-cust996.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:40] Urchlay: Then gentlemen get hacked. [15:41] Urchlay: See, they all think of computers as a tool to get work done. The management staff aren't really there to know anything anway. Their job is to get things done through other people, ie: delegate. [15:41] antiwire: then gentlemen blame it on me and I get fired. Worst that ever happens to them is they have to trigger their golden parachute... [15:41] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [15:41] question .. i took a video and it is upside down .. there any kind of software that will flip it so i can have a widescreen/pan scan ? [15:41] and then you continue to hack them, harder and harder. [15:42] eviljames: yes, but they don't delegate decisions like "what language/technology should we use for this job?", even though they admittedly are clueless about the factors involved in making a decision like that [15:42] antiwire: and then I go to prison :( [15:42] antiwire: Yes, at BUGS AND LIMITATIONS section says it supports. [15:42] But just with some "modifications". [15:42] Thank you@! [15:43] pri4pus: look at that it says... [15:43] it's only talking about c s and u and if you look up those options...will you ever really need them? [15:44] Does anyone else run "odd" methods of cooling for their hardware? [15:44] compressed, secure del, and undeletable [15:44] antiwire: s option is really nice. [15:44] pri4pus: yeah so is shred... [15:44] antiwire: Right! [15:44] :-) [15:44] Urchlay: That's a poor manager, I think. they should be doing little other than delegation and being able to recognize when the person they've delegated to is completely wrong. [15:45] I don't need to worry about either since my whole / is on luks [15:45] Kenny_Duehit: I once ran a home-built server with 7 hard drives, cooled by a giant fan that came out of a shop-vac (damn thing sounded like a jet plane, I had to cut out a huge hole in the case for it, but the drives never overheated...) [15:45] Thank you again for helping me. Linux ROCKS!!! [15:45] antiwire: Thank you again for helping me. Linux ROCKS!!! [15:45] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "work" [15:45] eviljames: how can the manager recognize when someone else is wrong, if he knows nothing of the subject matter the guy's wrong about? [15:46] Urchlay: lol I made the KACS (Kenny's Advanced Cooling System) http://jpg.rkive.org/files/7601-Kenny____s_Advanced_Cooling_System.jpg [15:46] eviljames: if the other guy is *lying*, the manager could maybe pick up on that (since mgmt is supposed to have good people skills), but if he's honestly wrong about something, how is a manager going to know? [15:46] keeps my gtx 260 from becoming a frying pan [15:46] KACS uses a sock huh? [15:46] :D [15:46] Urchlay: From here on out, that's going to be known as the 'idiot manager paradox'. [15:46] 2 socks actually [15:47] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) joined ##slackware. [15:47] I like to think of them as SOCKets really [15:47] eviljames: eh, works for me. So you don't have an answer for it, bummer :( [15:47] Urchlay: I try my best to educate any manager I have, without being a douchenozzle while doing so. [15:47] Urchlay: It's a tough balance to strike. [15:48] you damn d-noz [15:48] eviljames: impossible for me apparently. The whole reason I'm a technical type is that I lack people skills (while the other kids were learning to socialize and network, I was learning how to write code and fix/rebuild hardware and such)... [15:49] yea [15:49] "Don't you understand? I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS! I AM GOOD AT WORKING WITH PEOPLE! what is wrong with you?!?!?!?" [15:49] there is a rotate command [15:49] antiwire, SHUT UP! [15:49] Action: edman007 ducks [15:49] well I be back. gonna smoke out with my uncle. he has comcast [15:49] mencoder -vf rotate=1 [15:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:50] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:50] AT LEAST I HAVE SKILLZ WITH PEOPLE [15:50] to me, lecturing someone in a flat tone of voice is the most efficient-seeming way to dump information on them, and I always give them more detail than they want or care about, on the theory that more is better... [15:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Urchlay: then you're screwed and the PHBs will always win [15:51] antiwire: right. Which is why I'm trying to make a career in music now, and am probably going to have to get a shit day job to survive until that happens [15:51] when urchlay helped me a while back he was very informative... [15:51] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [15:51] you want fries with that? [15:51] i found his helpfulness very helpfull... [15:52] lol, shot glass, lip balm and a lighter. I only wonder what you do with all that stuff. :P [15:52] cadmium: you're not by any chance hiring, are you? :) [15:52] yes [15:52] oh reeeeeally?! [15:52] fire|bird_ (n=quassel@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] i want to program a fully transparent proxy [15:52] tcp proxy [15:53] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [15:53] cadmium: what sorta position, what kinda rates, #include [15:53] Nick change: fire|bird_ -> fire|bird [15:53] join nargon [15:54] cadmium, no [15:54] eman007 i was talking to urchlay [15:54] Okay, you have a email server. You either give it a public ip or nat it... doesn't matter. You want people to receive emails sent from you to them. Would you(anyone in this room) create a public PTR record? [15:55] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.138) left irc: Connection timed out [15:55] Does somehow chattr A file contribute to system performance? [15:56] Does somehow chattr -A file contribute to system performance? [15:56] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.187) joined ##slackware. [15:56] what's -A do? [15:57] I'm not asking for my knowledge, i'm asking to see what others do already or would do. [15:57] agentc0r|work i dont know.. technically you should do it [15:57] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:57] because otherwise it won't have a valid PTR [15:58] or MX [15:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] Necos: "no atime updates" [15:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:58] is not dying slackware? [15:58] is not [15:59] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.167) joined ##slackware. [15:59] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [15:59] no, no, *BSD* is dying (netcraft confirms it) [15:59] Nick change: Jiraia -> jiraia2 [15:59] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [16:00] Nick change: jiraia2 -> jiraia [16:00] pri4pus: why would "chattr -A" on a file have more of an effect than mounting with "noatime"? Is that what you're looking for? [16:00] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] SpacePlod: How do I get more info on noatime? [16:01] cadmium: our software vendor doesn't have PTR's for his mail server, just an A and MX record. I check for host names to combat spam and because he doesn't have a PTR, the mail gets rejected. I've whitelisted it, but haven't had to do so until recently. I've fought the admin once on this but he didn't seem to get it before. [16:01] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: Client Quit [16:01] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] pri4pus: man mount [16:02] agentc0re|work: good luck with that. In my experience, the corporate world tends to be staffed with "admins" who think DNS means something like "Don't uNderStand" [16:02] pri4pus: mounting with noatime provides a "small" gain, from what I hear. I have no personal experience, but I've seen it used lots. [16:02] when installing slack, If i skip setting up lilo, will it just automatically boot to Slack? [16:02] mcnalu (n=mcnalu@cpc2-broo3-0-0-cust996.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] you better set up lilo, you can customize /etc/lilo.conf later [16:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] SpacePlod: Well, actually I am not looking for nothing special. Just reading a book, but you know how reading goes... A lot of questions comes to you. [16:04] SpacePlod: And chattr -A is good for a file. [16:04] BSD is a nice system [16:04] SpacePlod: But thank you for the point to the noatime option for mount. It is hot! [16:05] :-) [16:05] pri4pus: I'm sure it's good for a file, but measuring performace gains from aviding the update of a single inode seems...esoteric. (unless the file access is continuous and often). [16:05] mcnalu (n=mcnalu@cpc2-broo3-0-0-cust996.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] hollywoodb (n=hollywoo@76.17.165.23) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [16:05] or someting like dat [16:05] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:06] mcnalu (n=mcnalu@cpc2-broo3-0-0-cust996.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] SpecePlod: It was just an an example. Or the file may be very large, like bluray movie or something. [16:07] understood. [16:08] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-041-44-144.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:08] By the way, how good is to set chmod -rw-r----- for system files? Is it dangerous? What about -rw-------? [16:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Connection timed out [16:08] Pig_Pen: it's for my laptop which has no screen. I have a monitor hooked up now, and a TV will attach later via Super Video connection. lilo does not recognize my video card capabilities and will not run upon boot. [16:08] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-041-50-097.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:08] ...but even for a large file, the access time is only updated for the inode when its opened. [16:08] I would not go messing with "system file" permissions. [16:08] SpacePlod: Yes here I was "wrong". [16:09] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [16:09] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: [16:09] Kenny_Duehit: it still needs lilo to boot, once you get it installed and booted you can remove "prompt" and "timeout" so it immediately boots without any input [16:10] Yes, but if your systems gets cracked (if the cracker will get somehow your encripted root password) it will be more difficult to get encripted root password, as you can not read it. [16:10] Yes, but if your system gets cracked (if the cracker will get somehow your encripted user password) it will be more difficult to get encripted root password, as you can not read it. [16:10] pri4pus: but /etc/shadow is already rw-r----- [16:12] SpacePlod: :-) Lets suppose there are some other security files, like /etc/rc.d/rc.init1.conf where you can find wireless encription key, and many others. [16:12] Nick change: binary_ -> binary [16:12] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [16:13] akSeya (n=psycho@201.22.57.80.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:14] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] mogunus1 (n=marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] How does the kernel schedule threads that are doing blocking I/O reads? [16:14] or writes [16:14] So what about chmod -rw-r----- on root files? Is it bad or OK? [16:15] does it wait for the IO device to interrupt and then schedule the thread? [16:16] you better leave the permissions the way Pat put them, you go screwing with files like that and it could make your system unusable [16:16] mogunus (n=marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] kamaji, when something blocks the thread is suspended...and it starts processing again when it would no longer block (which might happen after the kernel has read from the drive and filled the buffers) [16:17] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:17] monstro (n=monstro@201-26-14-224.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:17] Pig_Pen: What about /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ? [16:18] Dumb-ass question for y'all. [16:18] edman007: ok, that's basically waht I meant :P [16:18] poopy [16:18] edman007: thanks [16:18] kamaji, but basically...few calls if any are that closely tied to hardware, you usually have the whole filesystem in the way, the call will probably require the FS handles something [16:18] i dont need to say it again, read my previous comment [16:18] How the hell do I stop vim from moving the damned cursor on a mouse click? [16:18] Alan_Hicks, emacs [16:18] edman007: No thank you. This laptop only has 3GB of RAM. [16:19] edman007: oh, so it's not a case of your blocking read being directly triggered on a peripheral interrupt or whatever [16:19] Pig_Pen: OK, thank you! [16:19] it goes thru some bumph first [16:19] Alan_Hicks when you install slack don't turn the mouse D on , othewise disable it now [16:19] ohhai (n=eva00@187.3.2.93) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] cadmium: This is in an xterm. [16:20] gvim? or just vim in a shell/terminal ? [16:20] vim in an xterm [16:20] kamaji, nope, reading a file goes to the FS, there is a cache for that, and then it hits the block layer, there is a cache for that, and then it hits the driver...and it will get suspended anyways on the jump to the kernel call [16:21] basically, a blocking call is one that you jump to, and when it returns the stuff is done, and registers may be clobbered [16:21] Alan_Hicks: use nano.. that'll stop it! [16:21] don't use nano [16:22] and the jump to a kernel call will require that the kernel suspends the process so the kernel can run and process it [16:22] Dominian: Sorry, but I don't respect a program that wears its man page on the bottom two lines of screen output. [16:22] run vim in a console (without X) [16:23] edman007: ah ok, I guess that makes more sense anyway ^^ [16:23] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) joined ##slackware. [16:25] getting closer [16:25] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] need to re-install my fglrx drivers then maybe I'll be running -current with a gui [16:27] Good night everybody! [16:27] Alan_Hicks: vim annoys me [16:27] Alan_Hicks: mainly because you use it [16:27] Dominian: Actually, I've never used vim until today. [16:27] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:27] I'm normally an elvis person, but thought I'd give vim a try. [16:28] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.84.4.185) left irc: Success [16:31] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [16:32] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [16:33] Alan_Hicks: Right.. that's why I hate vim now.. cause you use it [16:36] mogunus (n=marco@173-9-7-10-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "Leaving." [16:36] skepsi (n=kvirc@94.127.129.34) left irc: Client Quit [16:37] Is there any CPU Frequency Scalling support in Slackware? [16:37] i came back and your still arguing about vim. thats interesting.. i prefer vim.. especially when coding... [16:37] asarch: Yes. That's provided by the linux kernel, so it's present in virtually all Linux Distributions. [16:38] Oh, that's great! Thank you very much Alan_Hicks :-) [16:38] cadmium: Then tell me how to disable it's shitty features like mouse use and always remembering where I was last in a file instead of placing the cursor on line 1 of row 1 like it ought to. [16:38] use markers [16:39] my vim resumes where i left off [16:39] its in full color [16:39] asarch: For all the gritty details, see /usr/src/linux/Documentation/cpu-freq/ [16:39] and i don't ever have mouse problems [16:39] i run vim either from the console or from konsole running in fluxbox or whatever other WM [16:40] cadmium: So how in the hell do I disable markers? [16:40] i especially like using the wheel on my mouse to scroll through files [16:40] something added or removed in ~/.vimrc maybe? [16:40] i don't know read the documenation [16:41] I'm trying, but I don't know what search terms to use. :^) [16:41] maybee you should get a tutorial on vim.. its a really good editor [16:42] yeah Alan_Hicks RTFM [16:42] its definitly worth putting time into learning [16:42] lol [16:42] hjjhgjh (n=augusto@189-041-61-012.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:42] hjjhgjh (n=augusto@189-041-61-012.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:42] illuz1oN (i=500@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:43] mcnalu (n=mcnalu@cpc2-broo3-0-0-cust996.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:43] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: "leaving" [16:43] you could even get a laminated cheet sheet for vim and carry it around with you whenever you feel you might want to use or learn about vim [16:44] cadmium: Gee... you're real helpful. :-) [16:45] How's it going Alan_Hicks. Have any more issues with the lady and her e-mail? :P [16:45] i tried man vim | grep mouse and found nothing [16:45] I've never had the issue he's having with vim. [16:45] anTraxc (n=augusto@189-041-50-097.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:45] me neither... [16:46] I use vim and gvim all the time. [16:47] Action: binary uses nano [16:48] with syntax highlighting [16:48] i request to the world to turn off all the beacons from the streets for reducing global warming and CO2 to the atmosphere [16:48] i use midnight commander's mcedit a lot for small edits, the syntax highlighting is good [16:48] Which kernel module should use for this processor http://slackware.pastebin.com/d47faf9d4 in order to use CPU Frequency Scalling? [16:50] asarch: why do it as a module? [16:50] asarch: why not just stick the support in the kernel itself? [16:50] Look: http://www.slackwiki.org/CPU_Frequency_Scaling [16:51] also does anybody know why slackware.com was down for ages? [16:52] asarch: oh I see, sorry I assumed you were compiling a kernel, my bad [16:52] NP :-P [16:53] asarch: I think there is an intel one you can use [16:54] asarch: there are several intel ones though [16:54] asarch: this is from memory, although I will be compiling a new kernel tonight funnily enough [16:55] maxquote C02 level are controlled much by the earths life, like plants, microbes and humans... Todays atmosphere was shaped by biological mechanisms. [16:55] looks like pres obama got caught checking out some chic's bum on camera, i hope michelle kicks his ass [16:56] thats funny, you would think his staff would have briefed him on doing that... [16:56] Pig_Pen: haha [16:56] s/.../without being caught/ [16:56] he should know better than to do that, such a high profile person at a high profile meeting (G8) [16:57] this is proof that his limbic system is taking controll of his cortex. [16:57] yeah, you'd think he would know better, [16:57] s/,/./ [16:57] cadmium: sure, get all technical about it. :P Why not just say "He's a guy." :) [16:58] he's exhibiting animal instinct behaviors [16:58] humans are animals too [16:58] who gives a crap? I'd be worried if he didn't check one out every once in a while [16:58] lets you konw he's still human [16:58] me 2 [16:58] :) [16:58] "he was simply instincting his surroundings" -said his spokesperson [16:59] some of the ass that I'm sure walks by him? I'd be grabbing a glance too [16:59] bill clinton did [16:59] Action: slava_dp was taught to use joe when introduced to slackware. so joe is what i had used up to two months ago. now i'm a vim user. much more productive thingy. [16:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:59] bill could have done better than monica, she was/is a fat cow, fatter than my wife [16:59] y0 slava_dp [17:00] hey fire|bird :) [17:01] s/productive/intelligent/ [17:01] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.187) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [17:01] slava_dp: How's it going? [17:02] there's this tutorial.... i printed it out and learned vim with it. if you're still using other editors, check it out. http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html [17:03] binary (n=binary@5e01b6c8.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-73.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:05] Alan_Hicks: it's set mouse [17:05] Alan_Hicks: in vim :set mouse [17:06] and yes, RTFM, go www.slackbook.org [17:06] lol [17:06] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.167) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [17:06] I use mouse=r because I like to party. [17:06] binary (n=binary@5e01b6c8.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:09] party animal is you [17:11] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-30-238-161.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Alan_Hicks, how's 3.0 going along? Looking forward to it. [17:11] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-29-126.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:13] eh. anybody knows why i'm able to talk? i forgot to identify but i can talk as if i did :-| [17:13] binary_ (n=binary@5e01b6c8.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] binary (n=binary@5e01b6c8.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:14] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] Nick change: freack -> frk [17:15] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [17:15] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-220.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:15] For all the griping I do about work, some days it's good.. ie: today when we decided that lunch would be a 40 of Johnny Walker Black Label [17:15] yay! [17:16] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.4) left irc: [17:16] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:17] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:17] maybee you should start drinking every day .. you could even start drinking at work in the morning... it might help you get out of bed more easilly too.. [17:17] robroy (n=robroy@66.151.242.100) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:17] cadmium: Who says I don't? [17:18] i once ran a company where red wine was part of my morning work schedule [17:18] drinkin' too little then lol [17:18] eviljames: next time someone asks what religion you are you can tell them the same thing i tell them, "im a drunkard" [17:18] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: Client Quit [17:19] actually the alchahol was to temper other things i was doing in the morning... [17:19] actually when they ask you what you do for a living you can tell them. "im a drunkard" - "its acually working out pretty well for me" [17:20] hmmm, random question... is it possible to browse IMAP folders from thunderbird? [17:20] umm i would sure assume so [17:21] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:21] how do i chane my console back from the graphics mode to regular console ? [17:23] lilo.conf vga=normal then run lilo [17:23] or are you refering to inittab runlevel [17:26] fire|bird (n=quassel@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] crunchbang (n=crunchba@adsl-75-5-251-162.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] hey all got another command [17:28] wtf [17:28] Nick change: crunchbang -> macman_ [17:28] wtf is ls [17:28] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-52-183.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:28] anyway to use ffmpeg to convert a mov to a mpeg and keep the same quality ? [17:28] Action: slava_dp is so-o-o sleepy. damn. ought to go to sleep. but still need to wait for some dvds to burn. [17:29] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [17:29] What I usually do is ffmpeg -in file.mov -out tmp.mpeg and note what it says the input stream's characteristics are, then find some close/matching ones for the output file. [17:30] stop converting, then set -b 7200 -ab 192k etc., whatever the characteristics should be to match in quality. [17:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:30] oh this is some bullshit... [17:30] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] contract writers sure are a crafty bunch [17:30] Action: eviljames thinks necos is on the avidemux bandwagon. [17:31] wait, what? You think contract writers are on your side? [17:31] i'm reading a contract that our school signed for a conversion of the textbook room to a computer lab [17:31] cost us 158,000$ [17:31] conversion to Islam? [17:31] and it says here they're supposed to supply an IDF, but the fuckers didn't install a switch [17:31] rob0: I converted twice already, STILL no virgins to be seen anywhere.. wtf? [17:32] yeah, it's all a lie eviljames [17:32] eviljames must be martyred! [17:32] one of the contact stipulations is that they will provide a furnished IDF cabinet... [17:32] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) joined ##slackware. [17:33] but furnished according to LAUSD specs should include a copper switch with GBICs [17:33] rob0, conversion from Islam? [17:33] ugh [17:33] macman_ (n=crunchba@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "leaving" [17:33] Necos: So, they didn't live up to the agreement. Sue them. [17:33] because all of our switches are fiber uplinked to our MDF [17:33] Necos: Hooray for tort law. [17:33] yeah, i'm going to stab someone in the face [17:33] rob0: There isn't much in the world worth dying for. [17:33] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. 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[17:47] sunshineeeeeeeeeeeeee, on mh shoulders [17:47] makes thee hapy [17:47] jeev you dont want this guy catching you listening to rap, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M [17:47] heh i'm remote deskopd in [17:47] looks like a racist jack bauer [17:48] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.24.14) joined ##slackware. [17:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:49] Pig_Pen: what the hell is that messed up guitar he is playing?? [17:49] not sure, probably custom made [17:49] must be....looks too high tech for a black and white music video! [17:49] the bottom is like a peddal steel guitar [17:49] I feel so glad that I'm back to Linux now... [17:51] mee too dissociative, but slackware linux doesn't like my mobo much [17:51] bot-net_ (n=void@209.180.207.66) joined ##slackware. [17:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:18] hi there [19:22] i wish to change my system to Unicode [19:22] i wish my system would change the oil in my truck [19:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@200.124.229.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] i`ve changed lang.sh configuration to handle utf8 [19:23] on text console it work fine [19:23] wc -c and wc -m test passed well [19:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:23] but on X xterm do not show my national characters [19:24] even if I run uxterm [19:26] localedef ? [19:26] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "leaving" [19:27] Anyone using a simple command line dictionary script here? Mine just broke and all I'm getting is old links with broken scripts (mostly because the online sources changed their syntax/markup). [19:28] when partitioning my hard drive, is it better to make linux swap at the front, or end of the drive? [19:29] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-92-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:29] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-205-180.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] y0 gar0t0 [19:29] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] fire|bird: hey man!! how are you ? [19:29] Ahh, never mind, turns out princeton.edu just changed a subdomain. [19:29] gar0t0: doing excellent, thanks. My Internet connection sucks today though. [19:29] gar0t0: how are you? [19:30] fire|bird: doing great, tks. [19:30] my internet sux too [19:30] ** speedy user detected ** [19:30] but is equal every day!! Sux [19:30] hehehe [19:30] :) [19:30] powtrix: is, from brazil too ? [19:31] yes, using speedy [19:31] Mine is usally quite good, but there's days where it's intermittent, on off, on off, etc. :( [19:31] netstream[eth0: Receiving 450 KB/s, Sending 14 KB/s] [19:31] Kenny_Duehit: this is what i have http://pastebin.com/d4f874852 swap is towards the front but not the first partition [19:31] powtrix: join #slackware-br :) [19:31] its my 4mb after Anatel "calling" [19:31] powtrix: here my internet is 2Mb [19:32] 8MB here, I'm in the US. [19:32] RipVanWinkle: localedef ? [19:32] Pig_Pen: swap won't be the front of mine either... I have bad sectors so the first gig is empty... [19:32] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:32] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [19:32] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-205-180.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] When I first got cable, it was 5MB, then, somewhere along the way, they changed it to 8MB [19:33] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "i have an ice age for ya :o" [19:33] i put the "?" on there because i am not sure if that is what you want, just a possability [19:33] what the heck, I didn't leave. :P [19:33] fire|bird: how much ? (8mb internet in the US) [19:34] gar0t0: iirc, $29.95/mo. I can't remember atm. :P [19:35] gar0t0: on top of that, there's cable tv, etc. so in the end, it's expensive. The cable company can lower the speed (i.e. lower the price as well) and that's what I might do. It'd be like 1.5 MB, but that's still better than dial-up. [19:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.24.14) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-81-246.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:43] hey fire|bird, how goes it? [19:44] fire|bird: wow!! in Brazil + - equal the price is + - $150 [19:44] hey chopp, goes excellent, thanks. you? [19:44] gar0t0: holy........ [19:44] that's insane. [19:44] fire|bird: not so bad thanks. [19:45] http://gizmodo.com/5312045/bill-gates-patent-could-save-us-from-another-hurricane-katrina [19:46] lee555J5 (n=lee@71.91.2.18) joined ##slackware. [19:46] fire|bird: in my house I pay +- $70,00/mo (internet, tv, telephone) [19:48] fire|bird: but I'm "get" a "promotion" [19:48] gar0t0: thats a good price [19:48] bot-net (n=void@209.180.207.66) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] gar0t0: and that's at 2mb internet speed? At the 8MB here, Internet, tv & phone would be around $120 or so. [19:48] o_O [19:48] hm [19:49] gar0t0: so that's a good deal. [19:49] RipVanWinkle: + - :D [19:49] our ISP does not like to upgrade his hardware [19:49] their* [19:49] gar0t0: now and then, they have good promotions here to, but mostly for new customers. Current customers are usually left out of the deals. [19:52] wow, today is Nikola Tesla's birthday, born in 1856. [19:52] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [19:54] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:56] fire|bird: but R$ 1,00 == US$2.00 [19:56] what is an R$ ? [19:56] Brazilian money? [19:57] yes [19:57] :) [19:57] \o/ [19:57] :D [19:58] i hear Linux is big in Brazil, is that true? [19:58] RipVanWinkle: yes, is true [19:59] 1 U.S. dollar = 2.0010005 Brazil reais [19:59] gar0t0: slackware specifically? (I hope) :D [20:00] fire|bird: slackware too! but debian users and ubuntu users is equal pest [20:00] :D [20:00] :) [20:02] before Connectiva merged with Mandrake, Connectiva was from Brazil, i am sure there are some native Brazilian distros, at least 1 or 2 [20:02] gar0t0: I was actually trying to get Kubuntu in a VM atm, but it's failing. :P I'm using VBox. [20:02] and in US ? [20:03] the US is mostly a bunch of brain dead ms-windows users [20:04] unfortunately. :) [20:04] ubuntu is a good project, for "n00bs" is perfect... [20:05] my brother spends a crapload of money to build a nice PC every year only to install ms-windows on it [20:05] In my Work have one "client" thats use ubuntu in all workstations.. + - 50 [20:05] terrible waste of good hardware IMO [20:06] gar0t0: yeah, for it's target user base, it's very nice. [20:06] RipVanWinkle: my wife use ms-windows, but she likes linux [20:06] fire|bird: is perfect if you are lazy [20:06] :D [20:07] This guy was over at his soon to be sister in law's house. She started coming onto him and told him that he can either follow her upstairs or walk out the front door. She goes upstairs and he runs outside to his truck to find the whole family waiting for him cheering his good concience. The moral of this story: always keep condoms in your truck. [20:07] haha [20:08] binary (n=binary@5e01b6c8.bb.sky.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:08] hugleo (i=1000@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. [20:08] gar0t0, hi [20:08] :~ [20:08] hugleo: hey bitch [20:08] what are you doing here? [20:09] hugleo: talking and training my english [20:10] gar0t0, here is not the place. join #english instead [20:10] hugleo: hehehe ok [20:10] i always wanted an english to train :-) [20:11] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-205-180.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] haldir, :] [20:12] haldir, You can use gar0t0 to train [20:12] egregor (n=yyyyyyyy@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] ah, but i suspect he is not english :-) [20:13] no! I'm from Brazil :) [20:13] Giant81 (n=root@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] I assumed so since hugleo was from Brasil and you two seemed to know each other [20:13] haldir, But perhaps he is tasty [20:14] haldir: yes, hugleo is my friend from #slackware-br [20:14] hmm... for me, he and tasty do not go well in the same sentence [20:14] now she... [20:14] I'm compiling a new kernel and other then setting the option in the config to name it something different, when I do a 'make install' will it overwrite anything? [20:14] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [20:14] that would be another story [20:14] haldir, heh [20:15] you shouldn't do "make install" Giant81 [20:15] Nick change: stealth-_ -> stealth- [20:15] I did a make dep, then a make all, [20:16] just "make all" and "make modules_install" are enough [20:16] then copy the image to /boot [20:16] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:16] I remember having to do an initrd image or something in the past? [20:16] Action: Giant81 goes to google [20:16] I'm a little lost, it's been awhile [20:16] yes, google is best :) if you used slack's config, you'll need to [20:17] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:17] i'm tring to recompile so I can get fglrx to work [20:17] right now it won't compile, I'm on the 2.6.29-5 and fglrx 9.6 [20:17] well, it is time to light up my fonseca cubano viso fuerte, pour a glass of scotch and watch a movie. good evening gentlemen and any ladies present. [20:18] well well aren't you a cultured man! [20:18] just old :-) [20:19] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "schleepdeep" [20:20] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: Connection timed out [20:20] andyL (n=andy@204.188.174.189) joined ##slackware. [20:20] hello [20:20] hi [20:20] hi, andyL [20:20] hello andyL [20:21] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:21] nick pwnage! [20:21] Nick change: firebird619 -> fire|bird [20:21] well, its time to get a chaw of chewing tobacco, crack open a beer and watch some pr0n, howdy everybody, any bar maids or waitresses here [20:22] s/crack open a beer/crack open PBR and mix it with old english 800 [20:22] RipVanWinkle: I called a female bartender a bar maid once and she got pissed [20:22] RipVanWinkle, heh [20:22] gave me a death stare [20:23] they can be a fiesty bunch [20:23] hey agentc0re, how's it going? [20:24] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:24] good, it's friday! [20:25] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Action: CmdLnKid cant wait to get back to work [20:26] this is my second week off [20:27] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.146.19) joined ##slackware. [20:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Poolare (n=Poolare@ip-138-44-149-91.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] antiwire:i hope you let her do a taste test on the beer in case she spiked it :) [20:33] why does Slackware allow logging ? [20:33] Poolare: are you serious? [20:33] Poolare: umm...because it's information that a system administrator needs? [20:34] twolf: its govT [20:34] Poolare: so you might actually find a solution when googling if it's in the channel logs [20:34] antiwire: I think he means the channel is being logged. [20:34] I thought iT was not [20:34] This is a public channel [20:34] logged, yeah [20:34] many people are logging... [20:34] damn, I have to remember to lower the volume on my troll detector [20:35] do you think that just because a channel *doesn't* say it is logging that people aren't running log bots in it? [20:35] Poolare: this channel has kept public logs for a *LONGLONG* time. and I am logging this. [20:35] I'm logging too [20:35] Action: BP{k} logs antiwire logging./ [20:36] got a cat on a log? [20:36] Poolare (n=Poolare@ip-138-44-149-91.dialup.ice.net) left ##slackware ("Coder leaving LackWare"). [20:36] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-121.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] guys, that quit message really got me. I'm *soo* sad now. [20:37] LackWare?..goof [20:37] Nick change: hugleo -> hugle{o} [20:37] lol [20:37] so each kernel has it's own set of modules? [20:37] that they keep seperate from eachother? [20:37] it's Super-LackWare [20:38] thrice`: I wonder if he realizes that calling it LackWare actually stays in-line with the concept of Slack [20:38] bahaha [20:38] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198572/Find-odd-place-lie-face--Is-pointless-internet-craze-yet.html [20:38] maginot (n=maginot@proxy.inmetro-sc.gov.br) left irc: "Saindo" [20:40] hugle{o} (i=1000@unaffiliated/hugleo) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:41] phx669 (n=pedro@189.24.128.166) joined ##slackware. [20:42] if those girls are trying to have a threesome they are not doing it right [20:42] i volunteer to show them [20:43] oh wait don't tell me [20:43] "they're doing it without me, that's why it's wrong" [20:43] slackfan (n=meine@M054e.m.pppool.de) joined ##slackware. [20:43] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:43] dd if=/dev/jokes/old of=/dev/null [20:43] well that wouldn't be a threesome now would it... [20:44] slackfan (n=meine@M054e.m.pppool.de) left ##slackware. [20:45] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] is there nothing facebook ppl cant do? ;) [20:46] this is much more like it http://tinyurl.com/l4rytv [20:47] lmao [20:48] <_budo> i have a question [20:48] you should ask it! [20:49] <_budo> been reading: can a subdirectory exist on a different volume than its parent? [20:50] if it is a link, sure [20:50] sure, like /boot and / ? [20:51] i have /usr/src mounted as its own disk partition on one of my PCs [20:51] I have /home on a separate partition than / [20:51] <_budo> yes [20:52] I have a separate /root [20:52] <_budo> could u do it after u created the filesytem already [20:52] yes [20:53] <_budo> ok : ) [20:53] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [20:53] it's actually quite common to do so [20:54] what quit message antiwire [20:55] jeev: type /quit to see it [20:55] hrhrhr [20:55] /quit [20:55] nothing! [20:55] dchmelik: why? [20:56] because I keep a lot of stuff there [20:57] isnt it better to keep /root on same partition as /, so when you boot in single user mode, root has his files there [20:57] why would it need files? [20:57] i dont know [20:58] neither do I. [20:58] that is curious. [20:58] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [21:04] <_budo> does slackware follow bsd-style for newly created files, and by that is meant, the group ownership for a newly created file is the same as the group-owner for the directory where the file was created?? [21:05] you could try it out [21:05] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:05] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:05] hey [21:06] it won't change permissions, no [21:06] I don't know what you are referring to for BSD systems, though [21:07] i do... the answer is 42. [21:08] unless the directory has the setgid bit set of course. [21:09] linux uses the same unix-style ownership and permissions scheme as the BSDs afaik [21:09] in that case, it's 43 [21:09] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] dchmelik: that's crazy. [21:09] not 42.999999999? [21:09] rworkman: what? [21:09] Putting /root on a separate partition is insane. Just fwiw. [21:09] rworkman, wassup? 8-) any word on what's up with slackware.com ? [21:10] have you checked it in the last few days? [21:10] <_budo> system V style is the newly created file group owner is the same group as the user who created the file [21:10] dchmelik: It's configurable now, but historically, a user isn't allowed to login if his $HOME is not present. You do the math. [21:10] File creation is controlled by the shell's umask. [21:10] TwinReverb: define "what's up" [21:10] well, / has a /root on it anyway [21:10] it just does not need files in it. [21:11] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [21:11] rworkman, just wondering if anyone knows the "why" to "slackware.com is down" [21:11] dchmelik: true. :) [21:11] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-112-171.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] TwinReverb: it is? [21:11] the system is down, yo! [21:11] it's not down [21:11] TwinReverb: it's NOT. [21:11] thrice`, /topic [21:11] TwinReverb: it's not down anymore. Have you checked it the past couple days. [21:11] it's been up for days. don't believe everything you read on the internet [21:11] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [21:11] haven't checked because i saw the topic and figured i wouldn't add to the thousands of pings and such they get every day [21:12] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:12] Topic changed on ##slackware by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: ghostscript | -current is now 13.0rc1 [21:12] ah thanks 8-) [21:12] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [21:12] There, that's taken care of. :P [21:12] <_budo> slackware is up for me [21:12] ... [21:12] ok, then, past tense, does anyone know why it was deown? [21:12] er down? [21:12] Giant81 (n=root@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:13] <_budo> Who is authorized to change the user ownership? [21:13] <_budo> user-owner of the file, or root (System V) [21:13] <_budo> root only (BSD) [21:13] _budo, root [21:13] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:13] <_budo> bsd-style is better [21:14] and also i think the owner of the file, provided they have the permissions to change it to the new group [21:14] dude it's THE SAME [21:14] they all use the unix-style permissions scheme [21:14] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns1-tic-C8B10633.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:15] _budo: 01:10 < rob0> File creation is controlled by the shell's umask. [21:16] <|lestat|> rworkman: heya [21:16] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Sounds like what you are describing is setgid bit on a directory. [21:16] <_budo> ok [21:16] is there seriously any difference BSD versus Linux on file ownership? i don't think there is [21:16] i've used both [21:18] Kenny_Duehit (n=Kenny_Du@CPE0015e9698772-CM001ac316ac14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("I just can't take it anymore!!!!"). [21:18] hmm ff3.5 will be update? [21:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-131.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] File ownership is structured the same way within the BSDs and Linux [21:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-12-239.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] [01:08] ( BP{k}) unless the directory has the setgid bit set of course. [21:20] so unless you are root you dont own anything outside of ~/ [21:21] fire|bird: see you man!! :) [21:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:21] see you ppl [21:21] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-92-64.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "buh" [21:21] dang altec lansing usb speakers are dying still [21:21] i'll have to have a friend try 'em to make sure it's not the speakers [21:22] <|lestat|> little turtles... do it [21:22] <|lestat|> girafes... do it [21:22] <|lestat|> t-rexes... do it [21:23] what is the easiest way to setup a dhcp server in a given interface? [21:23] dissociative: set up dhcpd.conf [21:23] 1. Buy a cheap router. 2. Pay someone else to do it. [21:23] easiest?!?! [21:23] berkough (n=berkough@ip70-180-205-180.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:23] <|lestat|> hehe [21:24] And I disagree, dnsmasq is easier than ISC dhcpd. [21:24] It depends on what group you belong to as to what you 'own', some things you are not allowed access to and other things are not set to your path [21:24] Unless you are root, of course [21:26] I will end like needing a damn router [21:26] or hub [21:29] dissociative, how many computers? [21:30] rob0: how is dnsmasq easier ? [21:30] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [21:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [21:32] actually, disregard, I'll read up on it. [21:33] "Easier" is subjective, but it just seemed to be that way to me. My view might be influenced by the fact that I started with ISC's dhcpd. :) [21:33] rob0 is such a liar [21:33] he uses windows dhcpd [21:33] <|lestat|> heheheh [21:34] bad jeev [21:34] Action: jeev scratches left ass cheek [21:35] I can crank out a nice, fully functional setup with dnsmasq in minutes. Dynamic DNS with dhcpd(8) takes some more effort, but with dnsmasq, it Just Works. [21:35] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.154.88) joined ##slackware. [21:36] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:36] dont trust jeev, he is a carnival gypsi, like a man without a country [21:38] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:38] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [21:40] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:41] i'm getting "md5sum: /var/cache/packages//xargs:: no such file or directory" errors from slackpkg. anyone seen this before? [21:43] where'd you get the package from? [21:44] tried two different mirrors [21:44] where'd you get the package from? [21:44] is it official or contributed? [21:44] it's several packages. first from slackware.mirrors.tds.net and then mirror.umoss.org [21:45] but this is an official package? [21:45] oh, yeah [21:45] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:45] which package(s)? [21:46] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] everything from the june 29th changelog and after [21:46] http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [21:47] works fine here [21:47] a few of them worked the first time though, and now the rest are failing with that weird md5sum error [21:47] did you UPGRADE.TXT to -current or did you clean install? [21:47] this is an old machine [21:47] it's been on -current for a while [21:47] what slackpkg version do you have [21:48] /var/log/packages/slackpkg-2.71.2-noarch-1 [21:48] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] same here [21:48] phreak_ (n=phreak@pool-151-205-184-230.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] this error looks like slackpkg is messing up [21:48] i wonder if my net connection is shoddy [21:49] back to 64 bit now ... [21:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [21:50] <|lestat|> bye guys [21:50] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns1-tic-C8B10633.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) left ##slackware. [21:51] woah, wth. "bug: bad page map in process wget". maybe my ram is failing [21:51] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-72.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] phreak_ (n=phreak@pool-151-205-184-230.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:57] phx669 (n=pedro@189.24.128.166) left irc: "Leaving" [21:59] any one see Ghost Ship? the beginning where all those people at that party get cut in half with that steel cable? [22:01] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] sounds nice [22:02] grr, i go to download music from archive.org and the flash player in firefox blocks my audio device so that xmms cannot play music. I navigate away and it does not help.. i will have to close firefox and chatzilla [22:02] RipVanWinkle: that was a long time ago [22:02] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [22:02] it is an awful scene, dont watch it if you are prone to nightmares [22:03] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] not awful as in bad acting, awful as in horror, machobre [22:04] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-112-171.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:04] that scene was the only good thing about the movie [22:05] pi31415: what extensions do you have in firefox? anything that would block media? noscript? [22:06] RipVanWinkle: i've seen that. pretty scary [22:09] daidoji (n=daidoji7@c-24-20-216-14.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.154.116) joined ##slackware. [22:09] i have noscript but i enabled scripts on archive.org for other stuff [22:09] hmmm. i think i'm experiencing a major hardware failure on my desktop [22:09] what are the symptoms? [22:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Client Quit [22:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.154.116) joined ##slackware. [22:10] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] have you tried to copy the url of the audio file and used "play location" in xmms, paste the url in [22:11] ripvanwinkle: if I start xmms first and start playing music it works fine [22:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.154.88) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [22:11] ripvanwinkle: if I go to archive.org and bring up a page with their flash music player, and then start xmms, then xmms cannot play anything, not even local files [22:12] even though flash is not playing anything, I guess it has already opened and locked the audio device [22:12] hmm, firefox seems to have a problem launching xmms with that url's media type, possibly in preferences [22:13] I do not launch xmms from firefox [22:13] ok i have remote box with 12.2 on there.. the person who installed it didnt include the L & D sets... how can I do that remote through ssh [22:13] and I download the media before playing it in xmms [22:13] that is possible, i cant get sound at websites like youtube unless i have all other media apps closed [22:13] strangely, I do not have the audio locking problem at work [22:13] using alsa at both places.. maybe my hardware makes the difference [22:15] i can understand not installing /d if you know for certain you wont be compiling anything but /l is required for a lot of things [22:15] will a computer post without ram? [22:15] well i dont even have glibc [22:15] so i dont know what im missig... but yes i am compiling [22:15] you fail [22:15] amazon10x, not that I have ever seen [22:15] you need glibc [22:15] and i dont have the liraries appss for it [22:16] iknow this, u know this, person who installed doesnt [22:16] i say start the install over and install everything, until they learn what they can do without they better stick with the kitchen sink [22:16] im remote [22:17] on ssh [22:17] thats all i have [22:17] no ppl [22:17] oh wow. so i had these two sticks of ram in my computer that are probably a bit less than 10 yrs old. i just took them out and now the computer works [22:17] can installpkg work remotely? do you have root access & the needed packages to install? [22:18] this is pretty interesting; these are kingston sticks so i think they have a lifetime warranty [22:18] i have roo privleges [22:18] RipVanWinkle, yeah if you've got root installpkg should work fine [22:18] i had to install slackpkg and sbopkg [22:18] roo priviliges -- kangaroo priviliges [22:18] ya kanga too [22:19] there ya go VampirePenguin cd to /l and run installpkg ./*tgz [22:19] upgradepkg --install-new [22:19] not installpkg [22:19] oh you mean in the var libraires [22:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] yeah, thrice's advice is better because it wont be re installing packages you already have, but didnt you say you skipped /l ? [22:23] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:23] i dont know if i have l im asssuming not bc slackpkg wasnt installed, and i cant reset a terminal, or clear it and im gettinsg some other stuff [22:23] upgradepkg didnt work [22:24] maybe you should boot the install media (not sure) [22:24] i c ant its 4 hrs away [22:24] im remote on ssh [22:25] ah [22:25] have fun with that 8-S [22:25] It's nice if you think twice before you take advice from thrice` ... [22:25] :D [22:25] lol [22:25] or think thrice (TURBO PUN!!!) [22:26] The skice the limit. [22:26] of course, these commands only work if you have an l/ tree [22:26] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [22:27] right now the only things i see are what build when i install slackpkg.. just lists [22:27] no actual pakcages [22:27] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:27] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] gotta love booting to 32 bit to use Skype and back to 64 bit to use everything else 8-) [22:28] try chrooting? [22:28] Action: thrice` would chroot too [22:28] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] buy yourself and eee TwinReverb then run both at same time [22:28] your mom would chroot! (STUPID JOKE!) [22:28] VampirePenguin: better make sure you have a full tank of gas and pack a lunch because its going be a long drive [22:29] VampirePenguin, i'm letting someone borrow my old laptop (1.5GHz Pentium-M) [22:30] your mom would pack a lunch! (STUPID JOKE!) [22:30] i got an idea [22:30] your MOM has an idea! :P [22:30] wtf? [22:30] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [22:31] (this is deep dish sarcasm btw, since i hate "your mom" jokes) [22:31] i absolutely HATE 'em [22:31] fail [22:31] your mom fails! :P [22:31] no, your mom is the one who failed [22:31] haha [22:31] at having children [22:31] hahaha [22:31] your MOM had children! :P [22:32] brb sanity and reality are calling [22:32] mom fight! [22:33] base box no X ... a, ap, d, l [22:33] scp i hop you work [22:33] frk (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [22:36] oh im so glad i have a mirror here [22:36] scp it [22:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] <|alisonken1churc> TwinReverb: actually, the question is "did your mother have any children that lived?" :) [22:42] ouch [22:43] Full Metal Jacket quote [22:44] that was an intense movie [22:44] yeah [22:44] I saw it in the theater when I was about 12 or 13, left me completely speechless [22:44] has anyone here done a warranty return with kingston before? [22:44] lol [22:44] amazon10x: thankfully no [22:45] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:45] your mom fights! 8-P [22:45] I will rip off your head and shit down your neck! [22:45] i have this old stick of ram (256mb 333mhz) that just failed. i'm going to see what they do [22:45] it has a lifetime warranty :P [22:46] TwinReverb: http://thingsididlastnight.com :) [22:46] imogene (n=imogene@99.135.242.178) joined ##slackware. [22:46] rworkman, no thanx 8-P [22:46] Hey TwinReverb, are you one of the users that are still suffering the after effects of the sendmail manual that I tossed at ##Ubuntu last month or do you allways act that way. ? [22:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [22:46] haha [22:46] I like watching Gunny's show on the History Channel "Mail Call" [22:46] CmdLnKid, i'm messing with people today [22:47] so am I [22:47] i HATE "your mom" jokes [22:47] Your mom likes them. [22:47] lmfao [22:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [22:47] so i'm making extremely stupid sarcastic ones to show how ignorant and stupid those type of jokes are [22:47] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] doesn't work [22:47] they are funny [22:47] your mom doesn't work [22:47] yeah, TwinReverb that's the idea now [22:48] you try to make them as lame as possible which is what makes them "funny" [22:48] your mom is funny [22:48] my mom died years ago [22:48] thats what she said [22:48] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.140.94) joined ##slackware. [22:49] imogene (n=imogene@99.135.242.178) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] maybe she faked her death and moved out of town so her children would quit bothering her, (thats awful) [22:49] hehe [22:49] your mom is aweful [22:49] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-182-140.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "[BX] Save water -- drink beer!" [22:49] I'm with stichman [22:50] Cann0n (i=1337@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:50] i need to get faster ram so that these memory tests don't take so long [22:51] hehe [22:51] lol on this one channel on IRCStorm there's a bot that when you join says "___ was " and lists all the other nicknames you have used [22:51] well my alternate nickname is BringingSexyBack so now when I join the bot says "Twinreverb was BringingSexyBack" [22:51] haha [22:51] lol [22:51] how often do you run memory tests, seriously? [22:51] someone say mom one more time [22:51] your mom said it one more time 8-: [22:51] er 8-P [22:52] emoticon fail [22:52] TwinReverb: haha, never actually. i have two sticks of ram from teh same timeperiod and the one just failed so i'm checking the other one" [22:53] i think i might buy a new computer. a desktop [22:53] i probably won't bother though; let's see what newegg has anyway [22:53] laptops ftw [22:53] andrew_50 (n=andrew@C-61-69-167-232.syd.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:53] i want to get like as many eee pc's (the smallest screen size) as will fit in a large backpack, with a router and some CAT5 and cluster them [22:53] there are some really nice laptops on the market these days [22:53] so that instead of arriving with one big laptop i arrive with like 10 of them and a router and cabling and set up a cluster [22:54] is ddr2 what i want? [22:54] amazon10x: it is much cheaper than ddr3 [22:54] i may quit buying new computers and just buy used cheap laptops and install slack without X and use only console tools [22:54] amazon10x : depends on what your board takes [22:54] andrew_50 (n=andrew@C-61-69-167-232.syd.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:54] my mom don't know what her board takes [22:55] Pig_Pen, new netbooks are cheaper and better than used laptops, in general. Mine was US$170. [22:55] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] i'm looking at cheap mobos on newegg [22:55] some people are into skateboarding, some are into surfboarding, i'm into WATERBOARDING [22:55] amazon10x: you can get a pretty nice ddr2 systen really cheap these days [22:55] amd or intel [22:55] v4nelle (n=van@78-50-137.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:55] chuck norris doesn't take showers, he takes BLOODBATHS! [22:56] twolf, i'd recommend intel but i'm not saying intel > AMD [22:56] twolf: yeah, i priced one out at work the other day for like 225. i'm putting one together now; i'll link when i'm done [22:56] i'm looking at amd cuz i'm a cheap mofo [22:56] for budget stuff amd is right there with intel [22:56] however, sometimes i wonder why intel seems to have better kernel support than AMD/Via/SiS [22:56] (granted SiS is horrible stuff) [22:57] If you're prepared to spend a little money though, Intel craps all over AMD at present [22:57] that i7 920 is a nice chip [22:58] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:58] my eee 900 was $220, 16gbssd, 1gb ram, for $120 i could gat a 64gb ssd and 2gb ram [22:58] 16GB SSD is retarded imho [22:58] black edition? i guess that's just more l2 cache [22:58] amazon10x: nah, unlocked multipliers [22:58] i want the full size screen though, you wont get that in those little netbooks [22:59] oh, well it's like $3 more so i guess i'll go with that [22:59] im using ~5gb for / and hardly anything for /home.. plus it uses sdhd cards and usb sticks.. i have plenty of space [22:59] amazon10x: it is worth it if you want to overclock a bit [22:59] get a little more bang for your buck [22:59] VampirePenguin: what size screen is that eee900 [22:59] 8.9 [22:59] RipVanWinkle: 900 = 9" [22:59] i had the 7 [22:59] 1000 = 10" [22:59] when you have 38G /home/robert/Music music.... [22:59] 7 is insanely smalll [22:59] and the 10 is too big and also runs on N wifi [22:59] others abg [23:00] zomg 4gb stick of ram is expensive [23:00] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:00] twolf: I'm more interested in the i5 myself, most of the performance of i7 with a price tag that'll probably be around the Core 2 Quad mark [23:00] I don't expect to tote all my long-term storage with me on a netbook. That's not the point of it. The point is that it's ready to go with you anywhere. [23:00] exactly [23:01] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] get some lunch open it up and snag wifi [23:01] rob0: i got mine with a 160gb and i love it. i can dump tons of movies and music on it, multiple OSs, and anythign else and i have no problem with space [23:01] I am, however, a bit cramped with my eee 900, only 4GB SSD. [23:01] figure I'll throw in a SD card [23:01] rob0, if its up gradeable new gg has patriot ssd for $80 64gb [23:03] oh yeah. 1066mhz ram. that's practically as fast as my last processor [23:03] buying a non-traditional-hard drive eee pc and then spending the money for a larger SSD chip makes it cost more than an eee pc with a "traditional" 160GB drive [23:03] that's what was a deal breaker for me, at least for the SSD models [23:03] amazon10x: depending on the price difference it's not really worth it over 800, especially on AMD systems [23:03] i only use computers with sd-card raid arrays now :P [23:04] Action: TwinReverb stabs amazon10x [23:04] sd raid, haha [23:04] Action: TwinReverb stabs amazon10x with an 8GB SD HC [23:04] don't let the secret out [23:04] TwinReverb, maybe in short run but those ssds will last 10-15yrs or more [23:04] LSD`: i'll check the price difference real quick [23:04] VampirePenguin, i don't know about that [23:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] mtbf == 1-1.5 million hrs [23:04] 75yrs [23:04] it depends on how much you write to stuff [23:05] i use LUKS + LVM2 type setup so i don't know [23:05] ive never had need for lvm [23:05] besides which, if firefox is up and running, those writes happen often enough that you're losing at least 50% of their lifespan 8-) [23:05] but its convenient [23:06] just a couple bucks more for 1066mhz. i'll just go with that [23:06] it's very convenient especially when you can just (in an emergency) slap some storage media into the machine and extend your LVM into it [23:06] VampirePenguin : it's like toilet paper. if all you're used to is pine cones, then you may not think you need toilet paper [23:06] i waas reading about ff last night... in the about:config... disable ipv6 [23:06] mine goes faster now [23:06] brb [23:06] just joined [23:06] you guys talking about HDs or SSDs? [23:06] lower CAS latency = better? yes? [23:06] both [23:06] if ya dont watch out it will be ur momma [23:07] CAS=central authentication system? [23:07] amazon10x: With 1066 on AMD you're (officially) limited to two sticks, just keep that in mind [23:07] LSD`: hmm, that's interesting. the mobos i'm looking at only have two slots anyway. why'd they do that though? [23:08] man imageshack really fixed their sql problems .... [23:08] amazon10x: at a guess I'd say it was because they already had AM3 in the works and didn't want to bother redesigning the DDR2 memory controller to do 1066 properly so they just overclocked it and signed off on it [23:09] ananke: column address strobe [23:10] thats a dirty trick [23:11] Nick change: brklynRednek -> AnonymousRedneck [23:12] mine are ddr3 1333 http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7066/dsc01886o.jpg [23:13] oh man. i don't think this new gfx card of mine will fit in a microatx slim case [23:13] powtrix: umm that image does not work :) [23:13] blocked? [23:13] no more like imageshack.us got pwned [23:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:13] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-12-239.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:14] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-186.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] anti-sec did some sql magic on the site from what I can tell [23:14] so wow, the fact we can get slackware on a plug PC [23:14] awesome [23:14] anybody get one of those? [23:14] redtricycle: links plz [23:14] powtrix' image works for me... [23:15] it's the marvell link [23:15] on http://slackware.com [23:15] one sec [23:15] http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp [23:15] http://www.atkati.com/cgi-bin/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/000000A/http/img141.imageshack.us/img141/7066/dsc01886o.jpg [23:15] oh. reading now [23:15] kitche, that will work [23:15] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-178-134.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] wow [23:16] i've never seen so many updates on slackware.com [23:16] in a six month period [23:16] Notabot10 (n=Notabot0@bas15-montrealak-1178060062.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:17] slackware is becoming the next netbsd. the last two posts are both about porting to new archs [23:17] powtrix: hmm your image works fine a bit odd it seems [23:18] I'm likely going to get one of those Sheevaplugs. I saw one at the SE LinuxFest, and it was *awesome* [23:18] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-81-246.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] /win/win 31 [23:18] amazon10x : next netbsd? what, suddenly three architectures makes it equivalent to netbsd? :) [23:18] bah [23:18] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-145-142.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:19] <|Slacker|> damn can't get xmms and youtube to have audio at the same time [23:19] rworkman: what are you going to use it for? [23:19] I was thinking always on torrent downloaded [23:19] hook it up to an external HD [23:19] downloader* [23:19] ananke: well, in less than 2 months there has been 2 new archs [23:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:20] using extrapolation, it seems that slackware will support more architectures than netbsd in about 5 years [23:20] :P [23:20] by the third trimester...you'll have hundreds of babies inside you! [23:20] redtricycle: who cares? It's only $100 :) [23:21] powtrix: by chance do you have your own imageshack account? [23:21] yes [23:21] amazon10x: http://xkcd.com/605/ [23:21] lol [23:21] redtricycle: :) [23:24] alright. i got the system sorted out. one sec for links [23:24] this stuff is pretty cheap [23:26] like $250 for mobo, 4gb of ram, 2.7ghz dual-core cpu, 250gb hdd, and a nifty microatx with a solid psu [23:26] powtrix: ok then I guess public images were the only ones that were effected that's nice to know [23:26] guax (n=guaxinim@201-2-205-195.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:26] amazon10x: 2.7GHz AMD dual core? That wouldn't perchance be the 7750 Kuma would it? [23:27] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-178-134.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:27] it perchance would [23:27] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103300 [23:29] just increase your multiplier to 15 or so and should get it to well over 3ghz [23:30] http://pastebin.ca/1491467 [23:30] or, better yet, get one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103681 and it'll be faster and run cooler without having to ovverclock it [23:30] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) joined ##slackware. [23:30] re [23:30] how do i increase power to usb spkrs? [23:30] LSD`: $20 more though [23:31] amazon10x: yeah, but it'd be worth it. The 7750 is just a Phenom I with two cores disabled and the Phenom Is blew chunks [23:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-186.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:31] [|HuGO|] (i=H@12-162-20-190.adsl.terra.cl) joined ##slackware. [23:31] <[|HuGO|]> hie [23:31] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-51.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] coldford (n=coldford@baconfile.com) joined ##slackware. [23:32] hello [|HuGO|] [23:32] <[|HuGO|]> :) [23:32] <[|HuGO|]> how are u? [23:32] fine thanks. you? [23:33] coldford (n=coldford@baconfile.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:33] <[|HuGO|]> finee.. i nid help :/ [23:33] s/nid/need :P [23:33] <[|HuGO|]> hahaha [23:34] <[|HuGO|]> can help me? [23:34] what's you problem? [23:34] frogger_ (n=quassel@71.174.65.21) joined ##slackware. [23:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-134-54.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [23:34] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [23:35] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) left irc: Client Quit [23:36] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [23:38] BP{k}: btw, that's sickeningly awesome. [23:38] (yeah, I know it's backlogged) [23:39] frogger_ (n=quassel@71.174.65.21) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:39] [|HuGO|]: you're asking for help, but not the problem? [23:40] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:43] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-60-55.lns4.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Notabot10 (n=Notabot0@bas15-montrealak-1178060062.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [23:51] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.123.115) joined ##slackware. [23:53] fung (n=fung@99-190-133-111.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:53] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:55] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [23:57] is there a work around to get wicd working again? [23:57] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] wicd doesn't work for you? [23:59] not after I made the full leap to current [23:59] from whence did you come? [00:00] --- Sat Jul 11 2009