[00:01] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [00:04] inspiron630 (n=aldskfj@c-69-140-223-165.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: [00:05] kfb (n=kfb@user-160uru8.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:05] BP{k} where are the rsync mirros listed [00:05] uzr, take a mirror and try rsyncing from it [00:05] that simple. [00:06] jeev no its simpler just to list them on the page with the rest [00:06] jeev but apparently thats to much [00:06] jeev good try though [00:06] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:07] jeev or better yet be a good bitch and give me a rsync mirror [00:07] I'm using slackware-current 64 bit -- so far so good -- no complaints [00:08] I'm glad to be done with bluewhite64 finally -- relieved is the word actually [00:08] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-153-89.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:08] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] Hey Rat409 [00:09] uzr, why dont you go fuck yourself until you ping out or something [00:10] hey firebird619 how you doing? [00:10] Rat409: doing great, thanks. yourself? [00:10] tired but well thanks [00:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:12] gm145 (n=gm145@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Quitting!" [00:14] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [00:16] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.148.237) joined ##slackware. [00:20] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [00:22] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [00:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] jeev dont be mad [00:25] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [00:29] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:31] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:31] kfb (n=kfb@user-160uru8.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:34] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:34] darker than the darkest dark. blacker than the blackest black. [00:36] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:37] yup [00:37] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:37] 2.6.30 is linked @distrowatch [00:37] times infinity. [00:38] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:38] alisonken1noc, you're clocked in.. [00:39] how ironic is it that slackware ranks 13 @ distrowatch? [00:39] jeev: not quite - just got in :) [00:39] well, everyone hit's their number at some point at distrowatch [00:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433166.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] why is it ironic? [00:43] you mean because slackware is old? [00:43] cause slackware 13 is next release [00:43] semi work safe.. or not http://blog.deleteyourself.com/post/119971937/ohhhhh-now-that-you-put-it-like-that-i-totes [00:46] if I worked somewhere where that wouldn't be considered work safe, I'd be finding a new job [00:46] lol [00:46] no doubt [00:47] Urchlay: What is considered safe? [00:47] what, my current job? I'm self-employed [00:47] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:47] so anything that doesn't make me want to jab my own eyes out with a fork is "safe" [00:47] and you call that safe? You should find a new job :P [00:48] If I go from runlevel 2 to runlevel 3 does rc.M try to start apache again? [00:49] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-092-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [00:55] bryanlharris: RL is the same as rl 3 in slackware [00:55] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [00:55] read /etc/inittab [00:55] RL2** [00:55] oh you're saying the runlevels are considered the same and therefore nothing would happen? [00:55] indeed, [00:55] hrm I didn't consider that as a possibility [00:55] well that makes sense [00:56] bryanlharris: However, going from RL1 to RL2 or 3 will start httpd [00:57] along with any RL3 services [00:57] right [01:01] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [01:05] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:09] now this will make your head explode http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray#Detection_by_particle_track-etch_technique [01:12] interesting - math is above me, but the description is interesting [01:13] yeah [01:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:22] smica (n=smica@szerver1.ibela.sulinet.hu) joined ##slackware. [01:23] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-acddbe7bbb2e13b8) joined ##slackware. [01:25] I am so sick to death of installing dependencies [01:26] what someone, somewhere needs to do [01:26] is make it where I don't have to do that anymore [01:26] I guess you can get debian [01:27] why don't your just switch to BSD and use ports [01:27] i spend all day long installing stuff ill never need except to use that one app [01:27] i have on the server [01:27] your/you [01:27] but the home system has to be slackware [01:27] but my eyes are starting to wander [01:27] Yeah I tried compiling vlc once [01:27] dartmouth: that happened to me. i even installed debian and I told myself i liked it. [01:28] Then I stopped. [01:28] and then what happened? [01:28] I put my Slackware HDD back in and never looked back. [01:29] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/gst-plugins-bad/ <-- anyone know why this does not compile? [01:29] I think my main problem was that I was using slamd64 instead of the regular slack [01:29] never could get either mplayer nor vlc neither one to work [01:29] I try other distros in VMs, but slackware will always be on the hdd, there is nothing like it. [01:30] I am very happy with my slackware system right now with the exception of the init process [01:30] what is wrong with the init dartmouth? [01:30] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] nothing's really 'wrong' [01:30] I just want to tweak it out [01:30] can you not? [01:30] I've actually always used Slackware as my main system but I have to admit that I have gone through temporal lapses of 'is the grass greener over there' syndrome. [01:30] dartmouth: I used to have problems with that not compiling, then one time it just worked, so I don't know if there's a dep not listed that I had later that made it work or what. [01:30] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:31] antiwire: yeah, that's easy to do, there are many very nice distros out there. [01:31] bryanlharris: no not really because i dont know what im doing with it [01:31] I'm really liking osol, but that's the joy of cheaper storage, I have that on one drive and slack on another. [01:31] I want one of those 15 second graphical boots with animation [01:31] and coloured text [01:31] like fedora 9 had [01:31] all while messing with KDE4 in slack -current in a vm (KDE4 ROCKS btw) [01:32] dartmouth: Fedora 11 is out. :P [01:32] firebird619: same here [01:32] firebird619: yeah but they took out rhgb [01:32] yeah, and replaced with Plymouth [01:32] i've always wished someone would port that to slackware [01:32] rhgb? [01:32] red-had-graphical-boot [01:32] s/had/hat/ ;) [01:32] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:32] dartmouth: did that movie work then? [01:33] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [01:33] firebird619: yeah but her DVD player sucks and crashes half way through the movie sometimes [01:33] haha, so it's HER fault then, you're saved man. :P [01:34] what i really need to do is tweak out my DVD burns to play subtitles automatically because i cant hear for a thing but i can read text and listen to someone else at the same time, and im usually interested in the movie so she irritates me [01:34] yikes that sounds really bad lol [01:34] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:35] smica (n=smica@szerver1.ibela.sulinet.hu) left ##slackware. [01:35] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [01:35] I have an issue with k3b where the progress bar will stop at 50-51% yet the window above the progress bar says Write successfully completed, and the cd or dvd will work fine. [01:35] k3b. bah. that app is so unstable on my system [01:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [01:36] It's never really been unstable on my system, it just has odd little quirks like that. If I was running current on my main system, I'd probably mess with svn versions of it or something. [01:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] Ultimately, for me it reduces down to simplicity. I gave Debian an honest, open minded try but I felt that the added complexity was more than I was willing to cope with. While Slackware might take a bit more of an initial time dedication to mold it into what I want it to be, the time vs. complexity trade of is something I am willing do deal with. [01:37] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "." [01:37] antiwire: what do you mean by complexity? [01:38] I was hoping you'd ask. I found myself wadding through script upon script trying to determine exactly what was going on and how while in Slackware I find myself knowing what is going on after much less wading. [01:38] essentially, debian does everything its way. [01:38] The deeper understanding of the distribution comes quicker for me under Slackware [01:38] slackware lets the software do it the softwares way [01:39] dartmouth: automation and easy of use come with a trade off of complexity [01:39] I used Debian before switching to slackware, and honest, I just got sick of the auto-dep resolution it had. For example, removing swfdec wanted to remove gnome (no, not just the meta package, actually gnome), just ridiculous and annoying. [01:39] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-201-109.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:39] s/honest/honestly/ [01:39] I guess that's the quick explanation for me [01:39] easy/ease* [01:39] oh also, if the automation breaks down, its really fucking hard to work out while [01:39] why rather [01:40] I reall have nothing against Debian but for myself and they way I want to deal with a distribution, Slackware fits the bill. [01:41] I like knowing why something is done the way it is done and I like the fact that patching happens only when it is a must and even then it happens cleanly and succinctly. [01:42] I found myself wondering too much with Debian. [01:43] Would I hand my mom an unconfigured Slackware box and expect her to be able to deal with it and call me minimally? No. [01:43] Would I hand her a Debian box and show her how to use synaptic? you bet. [01:44] yes I prefer the slackware upgrade package command [01:45] sbopkg is nice too [01:45] Hey speaking of Slackbuilds, check your email :o [01:46] "We found a problem in flock if you have it install update to the todays version and then reinstall util-linux-ng-2.14.1-i486-1. The old version overwrote /usr/bin/flock which is a file in util-linux-ng-2.14.1-i486-1. --dsomero" [01:46] well one thing I like about slackware is that when shit breaks, you definitely did it, and it's fixable. i've been on distros where you pretty much are better off timewise reinstalling your whole system and moving the config files back over [01:46] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:47] what i mean to say is that a slackware system is almost always a permanent system [01:47] its like makin' babies [01:47] :-D [01:47] damn, 300 bux round trip to spain. economy thohugh heh [01:47] dartmouth: I follow what you say. you can pretty much configure it once and let it be [01:48] jeev: depends on who you are. after I took the SAT's that 300 dollar plane trip to spain became a 3000 dollar trip after a discount. I think they're trying to tell you something ;) [01:48] I tend to be more obsessive about it than that though; tracking source changes and upgrading packages as upstream releases third party changes [01:49] There are times when I won't touch any packages for months at a time though [01:49] I recently had a system running an old version of -current, about 6-12 months dates [01:49] dated* [01:50] I synced that system to the mirror and in under an hour it was current and fully functional (most of that time was download time, including sources) [01:50] that includes a live mysql and apache install [01:51] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-092-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:52] the only thing I've got to really gripe about since moving to -current is that any 3rd party kernel modules have to continuously be rebuilt every time it updates the kernel. [01:53] Yes, but that's just part of running the current tree [01:53] but to be honest i think that's a problem inherent in the design of the kernel [01:53] Right, it's not exactly a Slackware issue [01:53] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Typically, the versioned releases won't experience a kernel recompile unless it is a very serious situation [01:54] some sort of epic bug [01:54] does versioned release mean 10.1 then 10.2 type of upgrade? [01:54] what's surprised me is that tarvold probably knows that the module system could be extendible for 3rd party 'pre-compileds' yet has not made it happen [01:55] I think they would taint the kernel if 3rd party pre-compiled right? [01:55] i.e. not open source any more [01:55] not necessarily [01:55] but could be [01:56] yeah but you can taint it now without that functionality with the same modules [01:56] bryanlharris: it would be called a binary package at that point, version and distribution specific. The 'taint' comes from binary *only* objects being loaded into the kernel. [01:56] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-76-179-206-255.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:56] hrm I think I get it [01:57] things like the nvidia driver and sometimes certain firmwares will be deemed tainters lol [01:57] tainters. [01:58] slKIvs (n=ivan@72.252.54.69) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:59] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:00] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-76-179-206-255.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] jessen (n=essen@ip68-6-33-99.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-092-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] night all [02:09] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:12] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-174-122.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:13] i hope everyone at charter dies [02:13] but you're a valued customer, jeev [02:13] they wuv joo [02:16] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-55-204.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:18] and they really love you when you want to switch to someone else, then all of a sudden the love starts flowing and magical, cheap deals come out of nowhere to show there love and appreciation and wanting to keep you and your money. [02:19] Samy1 (n=Argus18@92.84.22.120) joined ##slackware. [02:19] lol [02:19] SQlvpapir (n=teis@wnn73223.wireless.dtu.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:20] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-414a13feb5034505) joined ##slackware. [02:21] they cant give me free internet [02:21] i wont keep them [02:21] im getting 8 megabits [02:21] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] i always tell them that when they ask me "is there anything else we can help you with" ...why yes..yes you can..give me free internet. [02:22] hand sanitizer recall: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/FDA-Warns-Of-Major-Hand-Sanitizer-Recall/74OKJrWbeE-k49FW2QpMFg.cspx [02:22] it never works [02:22] jeev: that's what I get here, 8 MB. [02:22] firebird619: they filled it with hydrochloric acid instead didn't they [02:22] lmao [02:22] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] "now it's REALLY fscking clean, bitches" [02:22] haha [02:23] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [02:23] It was found to have high levels if disease-causing bacteria in it. [02:23] umm...how the hell do disease causing bacteria live inside hand sanitizer? [02:23] WTF [02:23] y0 slackmagic, how's it going? [02:23] guys srsly. [02:23] antiwire: haha, evidently the product is no good in the first place. [02:23] bacteria living inside of hand sanitizer... [02:24] Samy1 (n=Argus18@92.84.22.120) left irc: [02:24] does anyone see the problem here? [02:24] i pay for 20 [02:24] firebird619: hey what's up [02:24] sanitizer...bacteria...sanitizer... [02:24] jeev: you pay for 20 and get 8? oh man that's not right. [02:24] even my uncapped modem goes slow when i plug it in [02:25] yea firebird619. [02:25] that sucks jeev [02:25] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:25] slackmagic: not much, you? [02:25] So from what i gather I might as well was my hands off in my own pee stream instead of use that hand sanitizer [02:25] this is bad guys. [02:25] here's the fda link to it. http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm164863.htm [02:26] antiwire: your pee's probably cleaner. :P [02:26] antiwire you werent doing it already? [02:26] lol [02:27] this is equivalent to saying "the fireplace is on fire" [02:27] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-acddbe7bbb2e13b8) left irc: "leaving" [02:27] i dont have a fireplace, but theres a fire where i want a fireplace [02:27] is this bad? [02:27] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-8b5d516657f521ce) joined ##slackware. [02:27] "skin sanitizer and skin protectant products revealed high levels of various bacteria, including some associated with unsanitary conditions" [02:27] umm... [02:27] Hey everybody, how's it going? I'm gonna just wash up here a sec (gunzip pants) wash hands (gzip pants). :P [02:28] Call me crazy but I'd assume that bacteria shouldn't be able to inside a concentrated tub of anti-bacterial compunds. [02:29] o^ [02:29] oh forget it. [02:29] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:29] firebird619: same ol' same old. Reading up on screen to see if I can't find me some useful tweaks [02:31] antiwire: looks like they weren't exactly following fda guidelines: "The inspection uncovered serious deviations from FDAs current Good Manufacturing Practice requirements." [02:32] The only thing I can think of is that these specific sanitizers aren't the isopropyl based types [02:32] maybe they are the hypoallergenic ones [02:32] that's the only way this could possibly make sense [02:32] Looking at that list, there's just one hand sanitizer, the rest are lotions, etc. [02:32] ahh [02:33] heh. Somewhere I remember hearing about a plane crash caused by some idiot filling the plane's hydraulics with hand soap instead of hydraulic fluid... [02:33] no way [02:34] Urchlay: was this recently? [02:34] I remember that [02:34] it fscked up the pumps and everything [02:34] wow... that's crazy [02:34] where does somebody get that much hand soap? [02:34] on purpose, or was he just too stupid to know what he was doing? [02:34] bryanlharris (n=bharris@xob.neospire.net) left ##slackware. [02:35] I think we scared bryan [02:35] he was probably on here while on a plane. :) [02:35] lol [02:36] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Oh stewardess, could you check something for me? Is the hand soap missing from the restrooms? [02:38] well, im officially getting like 5 megs avg [02:38] I can just see bryan right now, running the the restroom praying for soap instead of oil [02:38] hahaha [02:38] lol [02:38] greetings guys ;) [02:38] occupied, dang, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon. [02:38] "omgomgomgomg" [02:38] salutations The-Croupier [02:39] excuse me sir, do you have to pee. NO dang it, I need to know if there's soap in the bathroom, like NOW. [02:39] what is wrong with the channel these last few days? ( its very sensual ;) ) [02:39] Full Moon? [02:40] firebird619, full moon is only one night..not the whole week :p [02:40] lol [02:40] lasting effects from one night of full moon? [02:40] firebird619, it must have been a bitch of a full moon [02:41] full moon pulls the blood in your body a different way [02:41] full moon != carmen electra visiting you :p [02:41] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-092-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:42] The-Croupier: c'mon, work with me here man. :P [02:42] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:42] firebird619, ok ;) [02:42] start ;) [02:42] haha [02:43] i just came to work, had a sip of my coffee, joined the channel, ( havent woken up yet...so excuse me) then i see all this fantasy talk :) i cannot say..its a good way to wake up in the morning(at work) [02:44] especially with all these receptionists and managers around ; [02:44] ;) [02:44] The-Croupier: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (94% of Full) <--- close enough. :P [02:44] calling for technical problems all the time in their office( my printer is not working.,,,nooooo ,, put some paper in you bitch) [02:45] firebird619: I dunno, probably not [02:45] was a story my dad told me, guess it was in the newspapers when it happened [02:45] firebird619, if its anything more than 80% you dont really notice the difference [02:45] and for us guys..its fine;) [02:46] "my printer is not working.,,,nooooo ,, put some paper in you bitch" lmao [02:46] antiwire: Umm, is it plugged in? :P [02:46] oh man i'm really lol'ing all over [02:47] i lolled [02:47] antiwire, you cannot imagine what they call me for ;) [02:47] its always for the damn printer [02:47] antiwire: 'lolled' means you moved [02:47] its not even connected to their office.. its networked [02:47] heh, I just noticed something, in eduke32 with the HRP, anywhere you see a computer screen, it has a Linux boot screen (bunch of "starting blah [OK]" and at the bottom it's running fsck /dev/sda) [02:47] I did that one time to someone, i was as mean as possible about it too. he calls me on the phone "printer is broken"...i go over open the tray, about face, walk away. [02:48] someone lolled her/his head [02:48] antiwire: Did he get the hint or ask "What do I do?" [02:48] he got it and amazingly enough even apologized [02:48] hahaha [02:48] BOFH [02:49] they go, its not working... i pressed it 56times, ( spool was crashed) i just restarted his pc.. i was like you stupid bastard, if you pressed it the first 3times (even that is too much) and it didnt work.. how on earth is it going to work the 56th? [02:49] haha, nice. [02:50] these stories make me laugh so hard only because i've been there in that tech support position [02:50] there are no cables nothing, it works for everybody.. its like 6people connected to that printer [02:50] lol [02:50] antiwire, its fun man [02:50] I like it in the Ninja Gaiden game when it says 'Congratulations. You have beaten Ashtar.' [02:51] i find it really amusing ;) especially when you go there, they say its not printing ... you click ctrl+p and they go.. what did yo do, what did you do.. ( magic) [02:51] or "my monitor isn't working" so i get up and walk the 1/8 of a mile across the the GDMN warehouse only to press the power button for him. [02:51] hahaha [02:51] antiwire, had that too [02:51] ugh. The construction paper guy. [02:51] ;) [02:51] guy was the only one on the entire floor of the building who wasn't at lunch [02:52] calls me up there, "printer won't print" [02:52] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.14.62) joined ##slackware. [02:52] cause it has a piece of construction paper in it. I tell him "oh, this printer won't print on construction paper", clear the jam, no problem [02:52] omfg haahaha [02:52] 5 mins later, he calls me up there again [02:52] construction paper. [02:52] bhahaha [02:53] same piece of construction paper in there. I say "you know, I just told you, this won't work" [02:53] he's like "huh? It wasn't me" [02:53] lol [02:53] lmao [02:53] lol [02:53] oh my gosh i'm dying [02:53] "Dude, you and me are the only ones in the entire building" [02:53] Urchlay, i love the "it wasnt me, IT did it" [02:53] I clear jam, throw away the paper this time [02:54] 5mins later, he's trying to call me up there again... [02:54] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A5B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:54] Urchlay, he had backups [02:54] :P [02:54] same paper, only crinkled this time? [02:54] Have you ever read 'The loginataka?' [02:54] morning people [02:54] y0 slackytude [02:54] I dunno, I didn't go up there the 3rd time [02:54] How goes it? [02:54] hiya slackytude [02:54] Urchlay, lmao [02:54] y0 The-Croupier , firebird619 [02:55] I told him "I'm not coming up there. If your cubicle's on fire, put it out yourself" [02:55] firebird619, still alive. kinda late too work tho. how is it for you? [02:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433166.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:55] going great, thanks. :) [02:55] s/too/to [02:55] he got all nasty, when the boss came back went & tattled [02:55] boss was a complete nimrod, but even he just went "WTF?" and laughed about it [02:56] http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2009-06-09.gif [02:56] that's awesome. construction paper in the printer. [02:56] i love it [02:56] antiwire: it's forgivable the first time someone tries it (unless they have the printer manual right there, they might not know any better) [02:56] academic advisor, created a shortcut to a network folder with all his backup mp3s he needed,told him " these are your backup, copy them to your pc, do whatever you want, but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE edit the backup ones," [02:57] it's the guy calling me up there saying the printer won't work, and then saying he didn't put the construction paper back in it [02:57] lol [02:57] he copied the mp3s in his pc, edit them, then goes, these are not the files i had, ( dooh,, you edit them) [02:57] like, OK, how do you know the printer's even jammed and that you should call me, if you didn't put the paper back in there and try to print? [02:57] no i didnt , you copied them like this... [02:58] and i dont have that shortcut :( [02:58] just created it for you 2days ago... [02:58] well, where did it go then? [02:58] what?!!!! its your fucking computer..... [02:58] no, it was never there [02:58] heh, yeah [02:59] how did you copy the mp3s then, you idiot? [02:59] because you are "good with computers" you must be able to read the user's subconscious mind and figure out WTF he did 2 days ago, even if he doesn't know... [02:59] Urchlay, that what they think [02:59] they never did anything [03:00] Urchlay, i wish windows had some kind of logging system..to see what they edited...and did all day [03:00] it just happens by random chance [03:00] it would save my time alot [03:00] or the users with 400 copies of the same shortcut named Shortcut to Shortcut(123).lnk Shortcut to Shortcut(124).lnk all scattered across their desktop [03:00] slackytude, i love the i didnt do anything ;) its my favourite [03:00] antiwire, O_o [03:00] people would use the log to find out people were watching pr0n [03:00] those are the best ones [03:00] The-Croupier, yeah, never gets old [03:00] antiwire yeahhhhh awsome [03:01] antiwire, reception had like 23shortcuts of the same file... and they moved the file to another folder :p [03:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:01] lmao for like 3days [03:01] morning Camarade_Tux [03:01] oh, he gone! [03:01] lol [03:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:02] Action: firebird619 pokes Camarade_Tux. [03:02] morning Camarade_Tux [03:02] morning Camarade_Tux [03:02] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) got netsplit. [03:02] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) got netsplit. [03:02] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) got netsplit. [03:02] skr276 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [03:02] whoa, mini netsplit [03:02] now the others quit :( [03:02] How's it going Camarade_Tux? [03:02] morning firebird619, slackytude and The-Croupier [03:02] damn Camarade_Tux, go back [03:02] me "why do you have so many shortcuts to the same file all over your desktop" them "wat?" me "those, right there, those are all shortcuts to the same file..and some of those are even shortcuts to the shortcuts. what are you doing there?" them "wat?" me "ok... see ya" [03:02] sucks that i'm stuck with dipshit charter or uverse [03:02] firebird619, pretty well, thanks, you ? [03:03] The-Croupier, yeah, I'd really like to go back to bed ;) [03:03] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. :) [03:03] Camarade_Tux, i know same here [03:03] antiwire, yeahh.. they do lots of funny things [03:03] the netsplit looks larger to the 'few' that broke off [03:03] antiwire, great story [03:03] and I just submited my first story to thedailywtf [03:04] lets see if it hits the front page ^-^ [03:04] hehe [03:04] antiwire, they are not even logical, and idont mean computer related... i mean.. ffs, you are printing something shouldnt the fcusking printer have paper in it..??? where the hell lyou going to print it ..in thin air? [03:05] "my printer won't print and my monitor won't monitor" people [03:05] lol [03:05] grazymax (n=grazymax@host229-157-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:05] we are out of paper? could you fax us some? kthx, bye [03:05] actually I've slept almost enough, have only two hours of school today and the weather is slackastic :) [03:06] antiwire: Did you try monitoring your printer and printing your monitor? :P [03:06] Camarade_Tux, really? hope we get good weather too then [03:06] haha [03:06] I hope I get a monsoon [03:06] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) returned to ##slackware. [03:06] firebird619, haha... [03:06] slackytude, haven't been able to spot a single cloud :) [03:06] that actually would make sense [03:07] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:07] skr276 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:07] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) returned to ##slackware. [03:07] ill quote that, print it in a big a4 paper and put it in their office [03:07] ;) [03:07] lol [03:07] Camarade_Tux, sounds good. right now and for the past three days, it was pretty hot and cloudy with rain and thunderstorms on occasion [03:08] slackytude, haha [03:08] -_- [03:08] yesterday, we had a single quite small cloud rain [03:08] a *single* cloud [03:08] well, its not like I could enjoy good weather anyway [03:08] Camarade_Tux, I shall send you some of ours. we have lots [03:08] time to get to work guys [03:08] have fun The-Croupier [03:09] thanks for waking me up laughing ;) [03:09] slackytude, antiwire, time to fix some printers [03:09] ;) [03:09] lol [03:09] Action: slackytude gets coffee [03:09] hehe [03:09] slackytude, hmmm, do they come with beer ? :) [03:09] Action: Camarade_Tux gets breakfast ;) [03:09] Camarade_Tux, tell you what, you take the clouds, you get a beer free! [03:09] \o/ [03:09] worlds smallest teenager (15) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/5492251/Indian-girl-15-is-worlds-smallest-teenager-at-2ft-tall.html [03:10] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-8b5d516657f521ce) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:10] I doubt that... what about Pygmies? [03:11] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:11] dchmelik, no, she's smaller [03:11] a pygmee is at least around 1m [03:11] even smaller than a pygmy teenager? I am surprised [03:12] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [03:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] speak friend and enter [03:12] dchmelik, they aren't so small, they're only _all_ smaller [03:12] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.14.62) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:12] SQlvpapir (n=teis@wnn73223.wireless.dtu.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:13] yeah, mostly between 1.20m and 1.60m [03:13] SQlvpapir (n=teis@wnn73223.wireless.dtu.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:13] 2ft isnt tall [03:14] Action: slackytude : Master of The Obvious [03:14] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHGmoeeF6rk [03:14] bucking for promotion from Master Chief Obvious? you might make Captain Obvious... [03:14] Camarade_Tux, my friends gf is 21 and she is 1.65m [03:15] SQlvpapir (n=teis@wnn73223.wireless.dtu.dk) left irc: Client Quit [03:15] The-Croupier, she's tall for a girl ;) [03:16] but the thing with pygmees is they are around 1.40m on *average* [03:16] Camarade_Tux, no man... she is what we call pto [03:16] we're about 25cm taller on average [03:16] The-Croupier, that was ironic ;) [03:16] pto = pairnei tsimpoukia orthia = takes blowjobs standing [03:16] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [03:17] The-Croupier, ^^ [03:17] or tbs in english [03:17] ;) [03:17] Action: Camarade_Tux notes that down [03:17] standgebläse [03:17] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:17] would be the german word for it [03:17] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.13.242) joined ##slackware. [03:17] its pronounce pee tea ow ;) [03:18] I'm not sure we have an equivalent but a similar one is : "juste ā la bonne hauteur" (/me trying to translate) [03:18] right the good height <- bad translation [03:18] (yeah, very bad one) [03:18] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:19] hehe [03:19] jessen (n=essen@ip68-6-33-99.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:19] translation is hard :( [03:19] just about right sized [03:19] ttyX (n=feduser@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [03:21] how can one have spacing in a word document without using the "enter" : student answer: by using the space key [03:21] :( damn [03:21] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-f799a72c84af9c9b) joined ##slackware. [03:21] Action: Camarade_Tux hands The-Croupier a shotgun [03:21] well, technically, correct answer [03:21] spacing give you spacing [03:22] er, spaces give you [03:22] Urchlay, spacing between paragraphs [03:22] ttyX (n=feduser@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [03:22] well you *didn't say that*, did you? [03:22] :p [03:22] i did, the only reference to that word in like 9months ment spacing between paragraphs :p [03:23] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.13.242) left irc: "Leaving" [03:23] hehe :p [03:23] I guess it was "I have no idea what to answer, I'll just put that, *maybe* it's correct after all" [03:23] lol, [03:24] Action: Camarade_Tux uses 'o' to get a newline -_- [03:25] but really, gvim depending on libpythong killed me =/ [03:25] *libpython, libpython ! [03:25] told them to make a small ppt ;) with whatever they want. one of them as the last slide goes " I NEED 75%" [03:26] Camarade_Tux, :P [03:26] The-Croupier, HAHAHA ! [03:26] slackytude, see, python is a pervert thing ! [03:27] Camarade_Tux, nah, but its everywhere! [03:28] guys, i remember there was a place like pastbin.ca where you could upload pictures ;) for others to see ;) does one remember what it is called? [03:28] slackytude, except that I still don't know where libpython is from ! [03:28] imagebin [03:28] I like omploader [03:28] .org [03:28] imagebin.org, tinypic.com, imgur.com [03:29] so, libpython2.6.so.1.0 comes from python-2.6 I guess ? can someone confirm that ? [03:29] yeah [03:29] sounds right [03:30] packages.slackware.it wouldn't find "libpython" but found "libpython2.6" >< [03:30] well, time to grab the slackbuild and recompile =) [03:31] it still blows me away that people take tests on how to use gui application software [03:31] ...and fail them [03:31] thanks guys ;) [03:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Success [03:32] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@79.101.132.232) left irc: "Leaving." [03:32] gah, I can't remember how to "mount" a vbox shared folder [03:33] i see most of you run vboxes... what is the purpose? [03:33] Camarade_Tux: time to read the manual. :P [03:34] Camarade_Tux, vbox comes with good help [03:34] The-Croupier, I run slackware on windows so I can play with mingw-w64 [03:34] The-Croupier, to have virtual machines [03:34] (I'd run win x64 under slackware but I can't have a 64bit OS in a virtual machine) [03:34] firebird619, die ! :p [03:34] mount -t vboxsf [-o OPTIONS] sharename mountpoint [03:35] no, I CHOOSE LIFE!!!! :) [03:35] daftpunk1359 (n=daftpunk@ppp-124-122-161-225.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [03:35] firebird619, NO WAY ! [03:36] die #no need to sudo, I am root -_- [03:36] in vim-gvim.SlakcBuild... [03:36] grazymax (n=grazymax@host229-157-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:36] NUMJOBS=${NUMJOBS:-" -j 7"} [03:37] ... [03:37] su -c 'removepkg Camarade_Tux' [03:37] i cannot mount an network hdd, (maybe cos i dont know its ip) but if i did found out ;) where to find something of the kindd? slackbook? [03:37] Hermaniette, I'll stay alive until you close me :) [03:37] Whoa, look at em go. Delete, Delete, Delete.... :) [03:37] and I can even replicate :P [03:37] grazymax (n=grazymax@host116-155-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:37] Camarade_Tux: No you won't, I kill -9'd you. [03:37] Hermaniette, sorry, seems Hermann and heret|c aren't there... [03:38] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [03:38] for i in Camarade_Tux do rm -rf end [03:38] lol [03:38] firebird619, too late, I spawned too many processes for you to kill me ! [03:38] ag3ntugl1 (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] yeah ! 4lcwdisable [03:38] Camarade_Tux: she lied & said she was on the pill? [03:39] dd if=Camarade_Tux of=/dev/null. <---that right? [03:39] Urchlay, thats not funny [03:39] Urchlay, no, each time I want to begin a message with 'he', I tab complete it and usually ping somebody instead ;) [03:39] firebird619, forgot the /dev -> /dev/Camarade_Tux [03:39] lolwut, vim-gvim's slackbuild uses rsync to copy files >< [03:40] slackytude: dude, I had a gf lie to me about that, trying to trick me into getting her pregnant... and I can still joke about it [03:40] slackytude: oh yeah, whoops. [03:40] Urchlay, only because she didnt succeed [03:40] dd if=/dev/Camarade_Tux of=/dev/null. [03:40] Camarade_Tux: see ya [03:41] Whoa, look at that, this is better than watching him Delete. :D [03:41] firebird619, I replaced /boot/vmlinuz, wanna remove that ? [03:41] oh, and I'm in libc.so.6 too -_- [03:41] Camarade_Tux: WHAT, 15 GB, how friggen big are you? :P [03:42] firebird619, that's because I'm on floppies -_- [03:42] I'm really laaaarge [03:43] I dunno what the deal is there, tricking someone into having a kid [03:43] hahaha, upgrade to dvd's man, dvd's. :) [03:43] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:43] my response was to quit giving her the opportunity [03:43] (no more sex with her) [03:43] ok, vim compiling, might take a while in this vm [03:44] Well, time to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. [03:44] why compilest thou vim? [03:44] Camarade_Tux: See, I'm leaving earlier tonight. :D [03:44] 02:44 [03:44] firebird619, ten minutes earlier ;p [03:44] ten minutes better than no minutes. [03:44] Urchlay, I don't want the dependency on libpython2.6 [03:45] I was up till like 03:20 or :25 last night, that's more than ten minutes. ;) [03:45] hm, didn't even know it had that dep [03:45] Urchlay, learnt that yesterday [03:45] ah, vim doesn't on my box [03:45] I don't like it but could live with it if it weren't in a small machine (actually a virtual one) [03:45] gvim I don't use, so I don't care [03:45] anyways, later guys. [03:45] Urchlay, vade retro satanas ! [03:46] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:46] later fbird [03:46] see you firebird619 [03:46] later Urchlay [03:46] see ya Camarade_Tux [03:46] later slackytude [03:46] bye The-Croupier [03:46] Camarade_Tux: is that "get thee behind me, satan" in latin? [03:46] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:46] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [03:46] I use gvim when in X because, because, ... hmm because it's graphical and I don't like to resize terminals ;p [03:46] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:46] Urchlay, hmmm, no : 'step back satan' [03:47] she left ! ='( [03:47] probably different translations of the same source material [03:47] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:47] Urchlay, that's nearly a setphrase [03:47] your version makes more sense though [03:47] Nick change: Hermaniette -> Hermann [03:47] 'go back satan' is maybe a bit better [03:47] yeah [03:47] Urchlay, move backwards Satan [03:47] I was sure she lied to me ! ='( [03:48] "get thee behind me" sounds more like an invitation to something really sick... [03:48] (especially as satan's known as the father of sodomy...) [03:48] Urchlay, or some kind of shakespear writting [03:48] slackytude, yeah, my english has been getting worse since I've started irc'ing >< [03:48] well, it's early modern english anyway [03:48] slackytude, or maybe that's because I don't read proper english anymore [03:48] daftpunk1359 (n=daftpunk@ppp-124-122-161-225.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: [03:49] gah, I have to leave in 20 minutes to be on time at school [03:49] you read slacklish [03:49] ;) that might count for something [03:49] ircanese [03:50] Camarade_Tux, Urchlay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G8DCFJ4vr4&feature=related <-- for your baby ;) [03:51] good song [03:51] Urchlay, ofc ;) i chose it ;) [03:52] I should see if anyone at the open mic knows that, next time I go [03:52] the bass is keyboard bass, so it's dead easy to play on a real bass [03:52] Urchlay, enjoy ;) [03:53] actually "best of the doors" and a couple of live doors CDs are a good chunk of my driving music [03:53] (sadly, the car is *still* in the shop, so I haven't been needing driving music lately...) [03:53] Anyone have any ideas as to opening a .pub file without microsoft publisher? I just need to read it. [03:54] strings file.pub | less # hope for the best [03:54] no idea what a .pub file is, mostly text or mostly graphics? [03:54] publisher [03:55] MS publisher files [03:55] lolwut, #windows [03:55] godspeed [03:55] its a publisher file, but I don't want to go through the hassle of switching to my windows box and finding publisher [03:55] The-Croupier, die ! [03:55] ./cry [03:56] Camarade_Tux, love you too bro ;) [03:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTWenQVUL3E <-- this is for you.. another awsome, classic..fantastic song ;) with some of the best in there [03:56] slackytude, btw, didn't spent much time on colinux yesterday, it's quite a pain to setup if you're not running linux [03:56] Camarade_Tux, I sort of expected that ^-^ [03:56] Camarade_Tux, told ya [03:57] Camarade_Tux, its eww [03:57] slackytude, nah, just not much time and not the right tools [03:57] and I'll probably recompile vim on my slack box too, seems to spare a few MBs of memory and make it a bit faster [03:57] Camarade_Tux, what tools? [03:57] and since I'm a heavy vim user... [03:58] The-Croupier, any linux tool, I was on windows ;) [03:58] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [03:58] :p hahaah :p hahaha :p [03:58] hey guys [03:58] Action: The-Croupier points at Camarade_Tux and runs [03:58] slackytude, so I went for vbox and made a 750MB install :) [03:58] hey Lexus1 [03:58] Action: Camarade_Tux has to leave in 10 minutes [03:58] and still has to showers ! [04:00] Camarade_Tux, no need to shower ;) you run windows :p [04:00] Action: The-Croupier hides [04:00] they got satriani, vai, and eric johnson on the same stage? [04:00] without an implosion due to ego critical mass? [04:00] Urchlay, thats what i posted wasnt it ;) ;) [04:01] in the 5.05min of the video he looks like he is going to cum ;) lol [04:01] Camarade_Tux, stop playing with your bits and bytes and go to shower! [04:01] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:03] Urchlay, that is an awsome gig man, wish i was there ;) [04:03] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:04] The-Croupier, hahaha ! [04:04] all they need is eric clapton to make it complete [04:05] seamlessrdp doesnt work [04:05] damn [04:05] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:06] http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_development/previous_issues/articles/2008_02_15/caredit_a0800025 [04:06] Urchlay, yeah... and him morrison [04:06] maybe hendrix as well ;) lol [04:06] slash ;) [04:06] yeah, well, I meant people who are still alive :( [04:07] slash ;) [04:07] oh, right, he's not dead, he just looks that way :) [04:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMXGSP_nPyY <-- this one is awsome too, i cannot find the full song anywher though [04:07] Urchlay, you didnt say anything about the look :p [04:08] hm. That sounds like the monkees [04:08] "Stepping Stone" [04:08] Mornun [04:08] slackytude, pwned ! [04:08] Zordrak, hummus mornum to you too [04:08] O_o [04:09] gotta go [04:09] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [04:09] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:10] Zordrak, we should have said: for school in camarade_tux do {exit irssi && exit home && leave us alone} echo "fcuk you very much sir, see you tomorrow" end [04:11] actually here's an OK video for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAWI_t2FG7I [04:11] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-531ae66ace3a61ae) joined ##slackware. [04:11] *very* 1970s [04:12] hi [04:12] howdy [04:13] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:13] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [04:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:16] man, this is annoying [04:16] I wanted to see seamlessrdp [04:16] y0 TwinReverb [04:16] long time no see [04:17] hows it going [04:19] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [04:20] Urchlay: DB-what is it? : Data base which is a whole of records with plenty of information inside that might be important or a unique topic. [04:20] nvision (n=nvision@g229114228.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:21] slackbook1420 2.6.30 i686 GNU/Linux [04:21] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-174-122.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] huh? [04:22] someone answered that on a test? [04:23] here's you a good song with a pointless video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3RWqFlvJs [04:25] (currently trying to work out the nuances of the bass line, apparently that's played at the open mic place every monday, and nobody quite gets it right...) [04:27] is there any way to get a 64bit VM on a 32bit system? [04:27] yes [04:27] VirtualBox does it [04:27] Zordrak, yes? [04:27] oi! [04:28] Zordrak, kthx, bye [04:28] O_o [04:28] High_Priest: could you tell us about Slack? [04:28] dchmelik: wtf? [04:29] Have I entered some parallel dimension this morning where ##slackware resides in the 7th circle of hell? [04:29] the thing about SubGenius [04:29] Zordrak seems to lack the Slack [04:29] the 9th circle would be worse anyway [04:30] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE7EDA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:31] yes [04:31] ? [04:31] you are currently living an alternate history novel [04:31] wth is going on in here [04:32] except in the alternate history you're living, the novel is actually nonfiction [04:32] briareus: it's 4:30AM for me, I have no idea what's going on. Yourself? [04:33] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7B6B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:33] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:33] what? who's that? who's there? [04:33] Morning all. [04:34] Urchlay: s/Yourself/you/ [04:34] what's that on that tape? you a cop or something? [04:34] Zordrak: huh? [04:34] Zordrak: is that a joke I don't get or an attempt to correct my grammar? [04:35] looks like we have a grammar lunatic stuck with us in our time warp [04:35] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [04:35] I've had barely 4 hours of sleep out of about 30 [04:35] nvision_ (n=nvision@g229114228.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:35] I am offended by people who say myself and yourself when it should be me and you... it is institutional in the police force and in call centres in this country and it makes me want to kill [04:35] Im not alone... Jeremy Clarkson feels the same way :) [04:36] myself included [04:36] Zordrak: well excuse moi. Here, it's a colloquialism [04:36] diediedie [04:36] it's short for "How about yourself?" which isn't really abuse of the word "yourself" in my book [04:37] nvision_ (n=nvision@g229114228.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [04:37] nvision (n=nvision@g229114228.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [04:37] nvision (n=nvision@g229114228.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Zordrak, virtualbox site seems to disagree [04:37] the one I hate is "utilize". There is *never* a reason to use that word, since it means exactly the same as "use" [04:38] slackytude: thats funny.. -since i have an installation of Win7 x86_64 running in virtualbox on slackware(32) [04:39] Zordrak, hrm [04:40] Urchlay: myself is a reflexive pronoun. With very few exceptions it should only be used in the same sentence as "I". [04:40] the same is true in reverse for you and yourself [04:41] "You did it by yourself" [04:41] me, myself and I [04:42] j0z (n=JESUS@189-30-185-72.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:42] http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/myself.html [04:44] well, for better or worse, human languages are used by humans, so they're not entirely rational and can't be forced into a rational mold [04:44] and I ain't exactly in term paper mode when I'm on irc [04:45] if the prescriptive grammarian types had their way, poetry couldn't exist and fiction would be boring [04:46] ok, who the fsck enabled -pedantic and -strict in here? [04:46] --now-warnings [04:46] --no-warnings [04:46] lol [04:46] no quarter! [04:46] agreed... however the misuse of the selfs is one of those things you either do everywhere or you dont and im doing all i can to have it eradicated. In this country in particular people use it to try to sound professional and end up looking uneducated, eviscerated, and lying at the bottom of a landfill. [04:47] I hang up on people who refer to me as yourself. [04:47] myself would never do that [04:47] imageburn [04:47] disregard that [04:48] I, myself, would never refer to you, yourself, as yourself. that is, of course, unless, the horse, is, the famous Mr. Ed. [04:48] Zordrak: eh, to me, saying "I'm doing OK. You?" is just as ungrammatical as replacing the You with Yourself, so I don't worry about it [04:48] you boys got that in there? [04:48] in fact the "Yourself?" as a question might be considered a southern-ism (and I'm from Atlanta, so sue me...) [04:48] Action: slackytude shakes head [04:49] You is correct, it has just been shortened from "And how about you?" [04:49] "Willlburrr... lemme outta this barn Wilbur! I got a 6' long dick and I ain't been laid since you found out I can talk!" [04:49] My last thing to say on the subject is to quote jeremy clarkson's view on it: [04:49] bryanlharris (n=bharris@xob.neospire.net) joined ##slackware. [04:50] "I'm not a grammar freak - I can eat, shoot and then take it or leave it - but when someone says `myself` instead of `me` I find it more offensive than if they'd said `spastic wog`" [04:51] slackboy, ? [04:51] er slackytude ? [04:51] TwinReverb, long time no see [04:52] yeah i'm busy, sorry, how are you doing? [04:52] Zordrak: well if I ever go back to school, and you or this clarkson guy are grading my papers, I'll pay attention to that rule... otherwise I says what I says, and I means what I means [04:52] TwinReverb, Im doing fine. whats up with you. still in korea? [04:52] yes [04:52] >., [04:52] >.< [04:53] (and actually I agree on the "Bob and myself went to lunch" being obnoxious) [04:53] you dont know who jeremy clarkson is? [04:53] no. Do you know who Greg Krummacher is? [04:53] (random name pulled out of my memory, I don't even know who he is...) [04:53] TwinReverb, funky shit [04:54] greg krummacher : 1380 results [04:54] haha [04:54] jeremy clarkson : 1,540,000 results [04:54] *shrug* [04:54] I'm not one of the cool kids, I don't keep up with what's popular. Enlighten me, O Sage. [04:55] bah.. you can google it yourself... im sure theres at least one result..... [04:55] :) [04:56] yeah, I could google it. But *you* are the one who cares about this person, so you should be telling me... [04:56] (sorry, just being a pain, don't take any of that seriously) [04:56] i was just using a fantastic quote [04:57] actually, was he the guy someone was posting youtube videos of a while back? [04:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson [04:57] GG /google [04:57] haha [04:57] dchmelik, sorry? [04:57] talking about religion and stupidity... [04:57] High_Priest: he was referencing Slack [04:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack [04:58] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [04:58] "Give Me Slack or KILL ME!", "The SubGenius Must Have Slack" and "Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke." [04:58] nah, that was someone else. British guy, good speaker, made a lot of sense [04:58] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:02] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [05:04] slackytude, funky? what is? [05:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [05:08] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:08] sorry, logged out? did anyone read the above post about logging the smtp protocol or something? [05:09] Nope [05:10] Bold` (n=ftalal@ner-as22641.alshamil.net.ae) joined ##slackware. [05:10] case: sent an email to colleague, then someone changed the line (got the cable from one router to the other) need to know that i sent it from the other server and not from the one he is actually implying... [05:10] is there any tool to check from where the mails have gone? [05:11] Bold` (n=ftalal@ner-as22641.alshamil.net.ae) left ##slackware. [05:11] or is there something i can use for the future? [05:11] if not,,, technical term for it so i can look for it somewhere.... [05:11] Nick change: Guest42946 -> fred [05:11] cos if i put it this way in google i get crap [05:12] Nick change: fred -> Guest78996 [05:12] Nick change: Guest78996 -> fred [05:16] mornin [05:18] The-Croupier: you can only check the mail logs [05:19] unless the mail was received at the other end and then its received headers will tell you [05:19] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:20] why do the search results from bing look just like from google [05:22] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:22] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:23] Zordrak, 64bit system fails for me [05:24] you have to choose the 64bit os on the list.. [05:25] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [05:25] wait [05:25] what version of virtualbox? [05:26] slackytude: http://www.google.com/search?q=64bit+guest+32bit+host+virtualbox [05:31] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "Reconnecting..." [05:31] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Zordrak, the mail was recieved on the other hand. the problem is how can i see the logs after like 2days [05:33] he changed the line :( [05:33] different router then, different router now [05:33] The-Croupier: you're nto making any sense [05:36] Mashandar (n=Mashanda@CPE-121-219-128-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:36] hello everyone [05:37] hey Mashandar o/ [05:37] hey, how are ya? [05:39] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [05:43] Zordrak, sorry been looking around for tools [05:44] Zordrak, 2.4.1, dont see the option to choose 64bit [05:45] Zordrak, win xp is host [05:45] case: i sent an email to someone ( he deleted it and claimed i never sent it) , wheni sent it i was connected to routerNo1, after sending it he switched cables and connected me to routerNo2, even though i sent it from routerNo1, how can i proove that? he deleted the message..i dont think he bothered to delete the logs [05:45] isthere a way to see the logs on that? [05:45] or even from the pc i sent it for that matter ( is there a way to see any logs whatsoever) [05:45] zgrep foo /var/log/maillog* [05:51] Zordrak: sorry (the pc is at work, running windows :( [05:52] the mailserver? [05:52] Zordrak, yep [05:52] then you're screwed [05:52] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-414a13feb5034505) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [05:52] Zordrak, thank you [05:52] that is what i was afraid of [05:52] Zordrak, this guy is going to make me put keyloggers everywhere [05:53] im sure he is planting viruses everywhere as we speak to cover up his screwup [05:55] Action: The-Croupier thinking of a way to monitor/log his own actions for proof :( [05:56] hi The-Croupier [05:57] tewmten, greetings [06:00] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:00] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) joined ##slackware. [06:02] tewmten, hows it going for your these days? [06:03] slow hehe [06:03] learning to do everything with only my left hand sux [06:03] Hermann (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:03] what happened to your right? [06:04] broke my right collar bone [06:04] so we should expect some answer after like 10mins then ;) [06:04] lol [06:04] tewmten, ohh man ... sorry to hear that [06:04] nah typing is okay, but moving the mouse with left hand sux balls [06:04] tewmten, that means, its time to have a go at you since you cannot write very fast [06:04] The-Croupier, proof? I've been after a screen capture prog for a while, that type-o-thing? [06:04] ooh check this [06:04] im typing ;) [06:04] lol [06:04] The-Croupier: this is the time yes [06:04] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:05] theblackbox, its called a keylogger i think [06:05] nvision (n=nvision@g229114228.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:05] when i came home from the hospital my flatmate was playing Curtis Blow - The Breaks on repeat for me [06:05] i hated him [06:05] tewmten, naaahhh man,,, im too good to have a go at you [06:05] ahhh, one of them ;) [06:05] The-Croupier: hehe, cheers :D [06:06] but i can tell you i am typing with both hands :p [06:06] Action: The-Croupier hides [06:06] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:06] no worries man..youll get better soon [06:06] how long did the doctor say? [06:07] he didnt say anything [06:07] will get new xrays made in three weeks and we will see [06:07] dtanner (n=dtanner@76.240.76.80) joined ##slackware. [06:07] hi dtanner [06:08] skr276 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [06:08] not that bad then ;) [06:08] how did that happen? [06:09] i crashed my bicycle in to a tree and some parked bicycles [06:09] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [06:09] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:09] Action: Zordrak golf claps [06:10] lol [06:11] bicycle? you mean motor bicycle... or normal pedal bicycle? [06:11] Action: The-Croupier hopes its not that later [06:11] Action: theblackbox once used a lamp-post as a brake.... like took the conscious decision to and everything: "Hmmm, need to stop.... not going very fast.... brakes rusted beyond use.... LAMP POST!" [06:11] wasn't one of my greater moments [06:11] normal bicycle [06:12] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:12] what's a lot of fun: driving a car with no brake, timing all the traffic lights so you don't have to stop [06:13] tewmten, well, ... :( [06:13] me and my g/f drove her car through half amsterdam by night, without our headlights on [06:13] we were drunk and forgot about the headlights hehe.. [06:13] dont try this at home ;) [06:13] used the horn instead and shouting at people so they would notice us [06:14] yeah i shouldnt be allowed in city traffic hehe [06:14] a few days before i broke my collar bone i had a frontal crash with another bicyclist also.. [06:16] Action: theblackbox feels averaged smooth =P [06:16] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:17] drunk driving in Amsterdam carry a heavy penalty if caught? [06:17] dtanner (n=dtanner@76.240.76.80) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:17] no idea [06:17] probably a bigger one than the states [06:17] i dont have a drivers license, my g/f was driving [06:17] hah [06:17] yeah well you can have a few beers and still be driving legal [06:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433166.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:18] you wrote "drunk" which I assume meant illegal [06:18] yeah [06:18] we had a bit more than a few beers hehe ;) [06:18] I associate drunk with well.. drunk/impared [06:18] tewmten, or that is what you sya.... like all drunk people..im not drunk ;) [06:18] im never drunk [06:18] exactly [06:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433166.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] just awesomly intoxicated [06:19] bbl, lunch [06:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [06:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.30.208) joined ##slackware. [06:21] dtanner (n=dtanner@76.240.76.80) joined ##slackware. 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I never manage to swallow the pill quickly enough and the my neck gets all stiffy [06:58] slackytude: what year? [06:59] frullet, huh? [06:59] slackytude, haha :P [06:59] slackytude: at school, what year if you dont mind me asking [06:59] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [06:59] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [06:59] frullet, oh, Im in my 4th semester (or is it term) in my Bachelor degree [06:59] so, not really school [06:59] slackytude: ah, fair enough [07:00] and I started later as well [07:00] y0, slackytude [07:00] slackytude: what course are you taking? [07:00] all those young dudes running around, going to uni directly from school, and me old fart in between [07:00] y0 slava_dp :D [07:00] frullet, comp sci [07:01] slackytude: ah, im doing that next year once i complete my HSC at school [07:01] Action: Zordrak is back to comparing AVs for this year's licensing :( [07:02] Action: Zordrak hates AV comparison [07:02] slackytude: hopefully all goes well ;) [07:02] Zordrak, sucks [07:03] anyway, I gots to go [07:03] Bottom line at the moment is you have to choose between catching *everything* and havingc a low rate of false positives [07:05] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A5B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [07:09] Zordrak, so which are the ones .. you like better so far...? [07:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.202.145) joined ##slackware. [07:09] Zordrak, i use nod32 v.2.7 in a university department that i administer. very low number of missed viruses, like one per year. [07:10] GDATA if you want to catch *EVERYTHING* and dont care about false positives. If you DO care about FPs then ESET NOD32 or Kaspersky [07:10] slava_dp: noted, ta [07:10] kama (n=kama@host56-51-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:11] don't use kaspersky. everyone hates it here. [07:11] yeah, but *why* do they hate it? [07:11] memory/cpu hog [07:11] are there reasons or is it cause it's ruski? [07:11] that too ;) [07:11] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:11] slava_dp: hows the remote deployment and management of nod? [07:12] any good? [07:13] should be decent with v 3.0. 2.7 only does a network mirror for updating all other machines. no admin capabilities. [07:13] hmm [07:13] remote management and deployment is essential for me [07:14] i run this place alone [07:14] check v.3. they should have it by now. [07:14] yeah.. but am a liitle concerned that if its late to market.. it may be very immature [07:16] kama (n=kama@host56-51-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-018a98c499938c29) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Zordrak, gdata looks very very promising [07:17] nice gui, simple.. trying that at home tonight :( [07:17] The-Croupier: yeah but THREE TIMES as many FPs as kaspersky or NOD32.. makes for many worries [07:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-018a98c499938c29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:18] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-90d54ee39c442592) joined ##slackware. [07:18] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:18] Zordrak, yeah...ill try it and tell you laters tonight [07:19] yeah, kaspersky is heavy [07:19] nod32 3 is a bit annoying too but 2.x is good [07:20] aaaahhhhhhh ! vbox may be killing my slamd64's / :ph34r: [07:21] Camarade_Tux: annoying how? [07:21] Zordrak, mounted the raw partition (I'm on windows and want to access an xfs partition [07:21] ) [07:22] and the slack system has troubles opening sdb (to which my xfs partition is connected) [07:22] Camarade_Tux: i meant about nod32 [07:22] Zordrak, haha :p [07:22] v3 is just heavier [07:22] but it's still a good av [07:23] *nod* (sic) [07:23] crap >< [07:24] I changed the controller from sata to ide and now vbox wants to boot slamd64 >< [07:24] init[1] (n=althaf@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. 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[07:35] init[1], the nouveau driver is much better [07:36] well the "nouveau" one [07:36] Camarade_Tux: nou... what? [07:36] init[1], in your xorg.conf, replace "nv" with "nouveau" [07:37] and then remove your ubuntu -_- [07:37] Camarade_Tux: im not in ubuntu (testing) , im fine with my card support with slackware [07:37] *im now* [07:38] Slackware rocks >. [07:38] init[1], my point was that you shouldn't bother trying to get nv to work if you can have nouveau :) [07:39] oh crap, I removepkg'ed kernel-headers instead of the source >< [07:39] Camarade_Tux: lol [07:40] >< [07:41] slava_dp: xtrapin [07:41] slava_dp: i think that would help you check the man [07:42] reading.... [07:43] Camarade_Tux: btw thank you for that nouveau :) [07:43] init[1] :) [07:44] unfortunately it doesn't work on slackware because it wants a recent xorg-server [07:44] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Camarade_Tux: look who is gona come within few months we will try then ! :) [07:45] init[1], I'm currently using the nvidia driver and if only I could use nouveau ... =/ [07:46] Camarade_Tux: that was bit vague sentence :) [07:47] can you make that clear :) [07:47] oo got it [07:47] I'm using 'nvidia' right now, I and I hate it, I want to use 'nouveau' [07:47] yeah, that was 'nvidia' as in 'nvidia.ko' ;) [07:48] Camarade_Tux: what problem did you face ? with binary driver ? [07:48] nouveau has randr and therefore has a muuuch better secondary display support (for projectors at least, think laptop) [07:48] init[1], external display and badness -_- [07:48] ooh o_0 [07:49] init[1], I guess you've never used randr, it's really wonderful :) [07:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:49] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [07:49] Camarade_Tux: i have n't but its like real time swaping display [07:50] just like the 4 desktops [07:50] i mean 4 or more [07:50] randr gives much better options [07:50] imho* [07:50] btw i have only a desktop smday i will ahve lapi and i will try it out with my present 19inch [07:51] Camarade_Tux: do you have more than 2 vdu at home ? [07:51] i mean like one crt + lcd + lapi [07:51] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [07:53] I'm not at home, I'm studying elsewhere and my main use for external displays is projectors at school [07:53] not for video [07:53] and randrs just works better for that :) [07:54] hmm! [07:55] init[1], did you try to launch xtrapin? it fails for me, says can't load the XTest extension. [07:56] s/XTest/XTrap [07:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:59] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [08:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] greetings from northern Canada:) [08:00] slava_dp: X Toolkit Error: Cant load DEC-XTRAP extensionThe XTrap X server extension has not been linked into the specified X server. [08:01] that's from the manpage? i saw that too :( [08:01] slava_dp: check towards the last DIagnostics [08:01] oh [08:01] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-f799a72c84af9c9b) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [08:02] Action: slava_dp does not feel like rebuilding xorg :( [08:02] lol i had nice time recompiling it for LFS [08:02] i hated that ! [08:02] i would never compile at all ! [08:02] (*it [08:03] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9ac5.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [08:03] hello [08:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Action: init[1] will be back [08:06] Mashandar (n=Mashanda@CPE-121-219-128-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [08:07] init[1] (n=althaf@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware. 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[08:32] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-44.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Quitting" [08:34] fwiw gdata installation is insanely simple [08:34] i seriously need to get multipointer x going [08:34] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:34] i installed the menegement server and pushed out a remote client installation in less time than it usually takes to do a standalone install of mcafee one just one box [08:35] in about a week, some please remind me [08:35] actually, make that two weeks. i intend to spend a week after exams in a state of near death due to alcohol poisoning [08:35] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[08:49] god damn it [08:49] just when you think youve got a handle on it... you dont [08:50] kaspersky pricing is the lowest ive been quoted so far by a good margin [08:50] kaspersky, eh? [08:50] NOD32=Ŗ1200, McAfee (renewal)=Ŗ1000, Kaspersky=Ŗ900 [08:50] at least its not symantec [08:51] indeed [08:51] but then id never let it near this network [08:51] for how many system is that? 12? [08:51] 100 [08:51] heh [08:51] workstations and servers? [08:51] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) joined ##slackware. [08:51] i was initially expecting to rule out kaspersky on price [08:52] not now [08:52] servers as workstations [08:54] whats that other anti-vir thats good [08:55] GData? [08:55] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-71919bb7ff4c37b1) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Avira is the good free one [08:56] no... [08:56] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [08:56] well im not gonna list them ALL.. [08:56] not one i'm thinking of [08:56] hey spook [08:57] did someone just say something? [08:57] spook: yes i did ! :) [08:57] there, again. anyone hear that? [08:58] hear what? [08:58] what? [08:58] omg ! ok ok ! i never said any thing [08:58] hmm, odd [08:59] Zordrak: hitest i greeted spook , i think he didn't like it :( [08:59] Zordrak, still Id say thats a good price [09:00] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-49-150.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] its like a buzzing [09:02] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [09:04] If you're using an anti-virus application, you're doing it wrong. [09:04] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:04] spook: Is it Avast or AVG that you're thinking of? [09:05] avast! [09:05] that it, thanks. [09:06] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [09:08] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:22] anyone know if there is a linux package out there for tcl/tk and maybe an IDE for it? [09:22] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] y0 Gambler132 [09:23] y0 ? [09:23] ah y0 i see [09:23] :D [09:24] xD [09:24] hay slackytude [09:25] Afternoon [09:26] Gambler132: tcl/tk .. you mean like anything akin to what slackware ships in the "tcl" series? [09:26] Gambler132, the tcl/ series on the install media is what you're looking for [09:26] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks BP{k} [09:26] Camarade_Tux: trumped! :P [09:26] hi BP{k} :) [09:27] BP{k}, I hate you anyway, I've always hated you, you disgust me, showing you know everything better than everybody ! pppppppppppppppffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff -_- [09:27] hoi BP{k} :) [09:27] Camarade_Tux: why should I change the habbit of a lifetime ;) [09:27] thanx Cromrade tux [09:28] howdy tewmten :) hey init[1] [09:28] y0 BP{k} [09:28] BP{k}, bah, I'm going back near my imaginary girlfriend -_- [09:28] slackytude: yo! [09:28] y0 tewmten [09:28] Camarade_Tux: she hates you too ;) [09:28] BP{k}: is this illusion ! BP{k} finally said hi to me ! :o [09:28] yo slackytude ! [09:28] ^-^ [09:28] Action: slackytude is learning OpenGL stuff :( [09:29] BP{k}, no, she just told me shed loves my money, see, she loves me ! [09:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433166.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:31] does anyone remeber the atari emulator that came out a fe years ago to emulate the os on pc? [09:32] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.41.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:34] hi [09:34] hey paissad [09:34] slackytude, nice :) [09:34] Plee, not really [09:35] Gambler132: leasure suit larry in the land of lounge lizards? ;) [09:35] kings quest I! [09:35] my system is a 64 bytes, but i intalled slackware months ago, do you think possible to upgrade soon to slackware64 without uninstalling anything ? [09:36] paissad, yes [09:36] paissad, not recommended, tho [09:36] ok, great ... good to know [09:36] slackytude, oops [09:36] ugh stupid managers.. why the fuck do they schedule customer deployments during the weekends [09:36] paissad: WOW? 64bytes?? [09:36] &me writes angry email [09:36] 64bytes.. sooo 512-bit [09:36] d'oh [09:36] BP{k}, :P [09:37] paissd you have 32 bit now and you want to upgrade to 64 bit slam64? [09:37] slackytude: doing anything cool in OpenGL? [09:37] paissad: s/bytes/bits/ then? :-P [09:37] 64 bits then :) [09:37] Gambler132: or slackware64 ;) [09:37] right, again [09:38] slackware64 is slam64 right? [09:38] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] No [09:38] Gambler132, upgrade to 64 bits slackware64 [09:38] No no no no [09:38] tewmten, not really. I did a clock with textures, light and shades. still kinda improving it. but mainly I learn for the examn [09:38] Gambler132: no. [09:38] oki [09:38] higuita5 (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:38] I don't use 64 bit [09:38] slamd64 is, and always has been, an unofficial port. [09:39] I assumed that http://www.slamd64.com/ was the only 64 bit version of slak [09:40] not anymore [09:40] is there an official slackware64? [09:40] Yes [09:40] Gambler132: ..yes. [09:40] lekker [09:40] /topic [09:40] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] onn the main site? [09:40] /topic [09:41] ok I just saw the site cool [09:41] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:41] what [09:41] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:41] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.9.70) joined ##slackware. [09:41] so there not maintaining there 32 bit project anymore? [09:41] oops >.< [09:42] tooly (n=theo@e178142044.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Gambler132: Slackware will be maintaining both 32 and 64 bit versions. [09:43] coo [09:43] l [09:43] what's the command to make inittab changes take effect without rebooting? [09:44] for anyone still follwing this thread of conversation... kaspersky wont even install.. seriously beginnig to rule itself out [09:44] lol [09:44] Zordrak: bummer [09:45] Zordak: WTF?! This better be a server with Windows clients. [09:45] Wont connect to MySQL.. seems they only support one precise version of the O/S edition [09:46] and the MSSQL that comes with it wont work if you set connections to be using DNS name only with NETBIOS name [09:46] Linux is the only worthwhile OS [09:46] No WONDER PC World are selling it by the million.... it no longerl frigging works!" [09:46] it's amusing how some people go nuts, when you mention antivirus software and linux in the same sentence. [09:46] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:47] jescis: telinit Q [09:47] ananke, aye [09:47] need to go to Robot Simulation Lab :( [09:47] BP{k}, thanks :) [09:47] animaDT (n=rbarton@rrcs-24-242-177-195.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Action: slackytude sighes [09:47] see ya later slackers [09:47] bye [09:47] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.129) left irc: "Leaving" [09:47] ewwwwww... now that it IS installed... the admin interface feels just like WSUS [09:47] and WSUS is so godawful i threw up a lung last time i used it [09:48] you mean WUSS? :p [09:48] comrade_tux where are those media packages you said... on the disk? [09:49] MORE EW!! One of the default notification methods is using "NET SEND" -- the win messaging service [09:49] Gambler132: yes. in the slackware/tcl directory or on any mirror [09:49] hehe [09:49] is there an IDE in there? [09:50] and tk? [09:50] sorry missed the first half .. mind if i ask what you're referring to Zordrak? what are you using? [09:50] Gambler132: no IDE. but there is tcl,tclx and tk and tix. [09:51] cool thanx on it [09:51] animaDT: replacing McAfee on this network (thank god! finally! etc etc) and looking at the replacements [09:51] animaDT: whittled it down to kaspersky, ESET NOD32 and GData [09:51] GData is my front runner [09:52] dont know gdata.. but i dont mind either kaspersky or nod32..though i think i lean nod32 more. [09:52] Gambler132: http://wiki.tcl.tk/998 <-- various IDEs [09:52] Kaspersky is the cheapest... but the admin console is just making me feel ill [09:52] unfortunately i use SEP [09:52] they already had a contract for it when I came here [09:53] GData uses two engines at once and is used by thu UK MOD [09:53] nbuonanno (n=nbuonann@cpe-74-67-15-46.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:53] i think its using BitLocker and Avast at the moment [09:53] but they can chop and change when they want [09:53] that way detection is up in the 99% [09:54] the only real/ downside is that with 2 engines you get double the false positives [09:55] Kaspersky made a BIG mistake making their managcement app an MMC snap in and making it work like WSUS.. thu ruskies can go to hell... i cant uninstall this fast enough, even if it is only in a VM [09:56] so.. now i need a trial version of NOD32 :) [09:56] bp{k} do you know of any IDE's in tgz format I'm lazy lol [09:57] BP{k}: laziness is punishable by death [09:57] ahem [09:57] Gambler132: laziness is punishable by death [09:57] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [09:57] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Zordrak why re-envent the wheel [09:59] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.129) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Why use a wheel as a table cause you cant be arsed to work out what it's for? [09:59] lol rair enough [09:59] *fair [10:00] Zordrak, DO NOT EVER USE TWO AV ONE WINDOWS ! [10:00] (clear ?) [10:00] Camarade_Tux: *sigh* [10:00] Camarade_Tux: Its ONE AV that uses TWO ENGINES [10:00] Camarade_Tux: (clear ?) [10:01] lol [10:01] Zordrak, not sure it's a good av then ;) [10:01] I'm of catch'yall later [10:01] Camarade_Tux: then maybe you need to do some research [10:01] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [10:01] Thanx guys [10:02] Action: Camarade_Tux checks [10:02] Gambler132 (n=anonym@194.66.32.10) left irc: "Dana" [10:03] cankoy (n=cankoy@94.54.29.16) joined ##slackware. [10:03] cankoy (n=cankoy@94.54.29.16) left ##slackware. [10:03] AGA (n=noise@79.106.109.6) joined ##slackware. [10:03] hi [10:04] how can i download scakware [10:04] look:ftp://ftp.unina.it/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [10:04] AGA: is that supposed to be funny? [10:04] i should download all the files step by step [10:04] i suppose its not funny [10:04] slackware.com/torrents [10:04] AGA: you start by: /join #ubuntu [10:04] AGA: download the dvd iso [10:05] naw i am with ubuntu [10:05] dvd? its 4.4 gb [10:05] BP{k}: *chuckle* [10:05] AGA: and? [10:05] ... right. a dvd holds 4.7GB [10:06] really ,i didnt know it/ [10:06] :/ [10:07] i have ubuntu,can i have ubundtu windows slackware in the same PC [10:08] Zordrak, fair, but I don't trust an av with two engines, especially with bitlocker which isn't great iirc (avast is ok) [10:08] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.9.70) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:08] *sigh* [10:10] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [10:10] av-cThe whole point is that anything one engine misses, the other engine might catch [10:10] and if one engine starts to get shit.. they can choose to pyartner with a new engine [10:11] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-531ae66ace3a61ae) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] AGA: welcome to ##slackware. I strongly suggest that you do some reading *before* you proceed with Slackware. slackbook.org [10:14] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [10:15] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) joined ##slackware. [10:15] You do need to RTM [10:15] hitest fuck off [10:16] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) left irc: Client Quit [10:16] LMAO [10:16] AGE: .. he's being quite serious, not rude [10:16] AGA* [10:16] AGA: suit yourself [10:16] if i want to ask ,i ask,,.. [10:16] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) joined ##slackware. [10:17] where is u problem? [10:17] technologic lyri [10:17] you really should RTM, and definitely read up on a lot before try to boot two OS [10:17] AGA : with that kind of attitude, don't expect much help [10:17] i dont have a Ph.d in coputer science [10:17] you don't need one [10:17] AGA : nobody said you need one [10:18] whis room is for help ,i needed help [10:18] AGA : then i suggest you adjust your attitude [10:19] my attitude is fine [10:19] AGA : telling people to 'fuck off' is hardly fine. [10:19] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [10:20] RTFM FWIW OK? [10:20] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [10:21] on an unrelated note, my mirror site has been down for ~12 hours now, we hope to have it back up within the next 36hrs [pending vendor figures out a way] [10:21] i asked a question,and i need the answer about my question,not a suggest about slacware [10:21] Dominian: is your acronym generation centre of your brain firing on all thrusters? :) [10:21] AGA : what you 'need' does not warrant that kind of language. [10:21] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.148.237) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:21] if you could not answer my question shut up\ [10:22] AGA: a suggestion is just that, a suggestion. take it or leave it, telling someone to fuck off is not acceptable behavior, and will warrant no support for you at all.. [10:22] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] Zordrak: I should load my rot13 script... [10:22] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.148.237) joined ##slackware. [10:22] or my text to binary conversion script :) [10:22] animaDT dont u have work to do? [10:23] go away and shut up [10:23] AGA: you can multi-boot several OSs with Slackware. This will require that you have some command-line skills and text editing skills. this is why I suggested that you read the book. Then you know what you're getting into. [10:23] hitest: No matter how much you hold the hand of a moron.. he will always find a way to piss off the bear. [10:23] AGA : again, with your attitude you're only proving that you do not deserve assistance [10:23] thanks for the help!!!!! [10:24] yw.. now your bus is leaving [10:24] AGA: you're welcome [10:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.245) joined ##slackware. [10:24] hitest this was the answet i want ,not a book with 500 pages [10:24] okay [10:25] AGA (n=noise@79.106.109.6) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] hehe [10:26] H ewanted someone to hold his hand .. he didn't wanna have to do the work, but wanted to get "paid" for it. [10:26] That's definitely not the type of person I wanna deal with. [10:26] Ha-ha....wow [10:26] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:26] get thee to ##ubuntu, AGA. [10:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.253) joined ##slackware. [10:27] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Woo!! It's pissing it down outside! :D [10:34] where at? [10:34] sure is. [10:34] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.216.221) joined ##slackware. [10:36] yeah its been raining here all morning [10:36] Action: Dominian loves it [10:36] jessen (n=essen@ip68-6-33-99.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] same here, you in the midwest? [10:36] sunny here in northern Canada, a bit cool [10:37] Sheffield, England [10:37] hitest: what is that big yellow shinny ball in the sky? ;) [10:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:40] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [10:40] gnubien: heh-heh. I don't know.......I've never seen it before. we're vampires over here [10:40] that AGA twat was annoying. [10:40] agreed [10:41] not worth our time. [10:42] IMO you all gave him way too much attention [10:42] yes. true. won' happen again [10:42] won't [10:42] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:43] slava_dp: talk about a cluttered admin console(!) [10:45] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:45] big_bass (n=big_bass@189.192.224.1) joined ##slackware. [10:47] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Karficata (n=kiwi@87.121.96.142) joined ##slackware. [10:50] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] I havent seen it rain this hard since the flooding a couple of years ago!! it beautiful! [10:53] xisxon (i=xisxon@114.121.138.65) joined ##slackware. [10:54] and it's beautiful proof that rain cant affect our laser wan connection :) [10:54] off to work. later, folks:) [10:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:56] aw tits [10:56] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [10:56] i always forget NOT to fullscreen flash vids in firefox [10:56] it crashes ff [10:56] Patv and team is to slow for releasing new slackware version, especialy for 64bit, i can't wait any longer [10:56] xisxon: then dont. Bye then. [10:57] Laser WAN looks impressive in fog, less so in rain [10:57] why is slow bad ? [10:58] Zordrak, i heard you need to disable hardware acceleration in flash settings and it won't crash. [10:58] stability vs bleeding edge [10:58] "slow" and tested is better than "quick and dodgy" [10:58] slava_dp: oo ta [10:58] eh eh, thrice`... [10:58] and if you want to test 64-bit slackware, it's quite easy to do [10:58] slackytude: I've seen literature that claimed a 1/2 mile link in a driving rain experienced no packet loss [10:58] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:58] How to install elinks on slackware? [10:59] and that was 8 years ago [10:59] adeodatus: http://slackbuilds.org [10:59] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/ the installers in -current are all up-to-date [10:59] yeah, hardware acceleration in flash is unreliable [10:59] slava_dp: did you catch the comment about the eset RA? [10:59] especially wrt fullscreen [10:59] if you want to install -current, knock yourself out [11:00] WOOOO!!! LIGHTNING!! [11:00] Action: Zordrak is getting all too excited [11:00] rather than bitch about it not being released yet, download, install, and help test it [11:00] Zordrak, yah, i saw your comment about the admin console. noted :) [11:01] slava_dp: its all very complicated in the same way McAfee is.. [11:01] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [11:02] slava_dp: ie client installs require that you pass it an MSI, then transform and save the MSI etc.. the options are overbearingly cluttered [11:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:02] xisxon, or donate some money to Pat to encourage an even better release ;-) [11:02] G DATA will do a client install with simple customised options within seconds of first starting the console [11:02] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) left irc: "Saindo" [11:03] Which commands I have to run to install elinks? [11:03] slava_dp, i don't have enough money to do that by now ;D maybe someday i will [11:03] adeodatus: Go to http://slackbuilds.org and read [11:04] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [11:04] thanks for the hardware accel tip [11:05] Zordrak, yw :) [11:05] saves me watching F1 in konqueror [11:05] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:05] hey, why patv don't include PayPal to their homepage so newbie can give support :D [11:06] after the startup of my PC, i have the level volume of Surround, Center, LFE, Side and another ones set up to 0, i would like to set them to another higher level, i'm reading /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa but i cannot see what to change [11:06] can someone help me ? [11:06] xisxon: thats actually a sensible suggestion [11:06] you surprised me [11:06] :D [11:07] i'm reading /etc/asound.state too, but i'm confused ... [11:07] i'm obliged to change the volume level manually after each start up [11:08] paissad: alsactl store (or something like that) [11:08] ouch, back spasm [11:08] jessen (n=essen@ip68-6-33-99.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] Zordrak, yeah, i did that, i did alsaconf, i configured the level, and then alsactl store ! [11:11] paissad, did you run it as root? or maybe your user not in audio group? [11:11] tips from newbie :D [11:11] xisxon, i do have sound, but i'm obliged to type alsamixer in order to change the level volume [11:11] alsactl store [11:11] xisxon, i did use alsconf and alsactl store by root accound [11:12] account* [11:12] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE7EDA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Success [11:12] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:13] slava_dp: also.. just FYI.. gdata lets you load grub on the winbox for preboot scanning [11:13] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.232) joined ##slackware. [11:14] freebse (n=freebse@f051201203.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:14] paissad, you have sound working and you want to increase the volume level, am i correct? [11:14] xisxon, yes [11:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:16] mmlj4, nifty. [11:16] lasers be cool [11:16] NILFS2: What do we think? [11:16] MILFS2 [11:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [11:19] spook, Well we all know what we think about that. [11:19] strange, if you run alsactl store, it will save your configuration, did u try to increase your volume from xfce or kde? or look very closely to alsamixer, go right and see what volume option available for you, maybe some is muted? [11:21] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:21] Internet, eh? [11:22] paissad, question: once you change the volume with alsamixer..and run alsactl store, are you just saying you have to redo it when you restart or what? [11:23] animaDT, yes, i have to redo it when i restart .... [11:23] did you set alsa to start on boot? [11:23] yes [11:24] just say that the OS set that already [11:24] no ? [11:24] ah.. likely not [11:24] rc.alsa executes alsactl restore [11:25] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:25] r_linux, yes, that's what i understood [11:25] ah gotcha [11:27] animaDT got spinned his brain... luck for paissad, problem solved! :D [11:28] no solved yet ! [11:28] what? [11:28] no no [11:29] well other than checking your rc.alsa, rc.local, etc .. im not sure what else might be causing your problem. i've honestly never had alsa break [11:29] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] i had this problem when i install 12.0 [11:31] i tried something, i reboot that pc for testing [11:35] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.232) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:36] the matter remains, when i type alsamixer command , see again Master 100%, but Surround, Center LFE, Side are 0% volume level ! [11:36] PCM is 100% [11:37] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5583.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] that means i have no sound, knowing that, if all of them (surrround, lfe, side etc ...) are 0%, even if Master is at max, i have no sound :-' [11:38] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.7.75) joined ##slackware. [11:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] your problem remain unsolved, Google is your best friend... [11:41] thanks for all :) [11:41] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:41] kristoffer (n=kristoff@95.209.69.59.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [11:42] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-12.2-alsa-sound-works-for-root-but-not-for-user.-722386/ [11:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:45] sQuEE` (n=narya@host220.201-253-136.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:45] sQuEE (n=narya@host220.201-253-136.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [11:49] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] tooly (n=theo@e178142044.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [11:51] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[12:00] XD [12:01] I'm good [12:01] we don't need to wait, we feel when slackware13 is release -_- [12:01] hehe [12:01] XD [12:02] Action: Dominian runs -current so I'm already on the latest release :P [12:03] Action: Zordrak too [12:03] The only real benefits of 13 will probably be official 64 bit release. Yay 32bit processors. :p [12:03] Other than upgraded packages and whatnot. [12:03] sajes: thats a seriously dumb statement [12:03] oh.. [12:03] kde 4.2.4 [12:04] at least at this point [12:04] newer glibc/gcc [12:04] newer kernel [12:04] Shall I keep going? [12:04] so like the best thing about food is the llok of it... other than the taste and nutrition and whatnot....? [12:04] s/lokk/look/ [12:04] Zordrak: How is that a dumb statement? [12:05] you basically just said slack13 is a waste of time except for the release of a 64 variant [12:05] Dominian: Glibc and gcc are nothing major. Changes to them are often unseen to the user. I compile the kernel from kernel.org, so the kernel updates really don't concern me. [12:05] Zordrak: Where did I say it's a waste of time? [12:05] Action: sajes likes how people read different things than he types. [12:05] sajes: That's a strong generalization that it doesn't concern You.. considering its not just for "you" but everyone that uses Slackware :P [12:05] so what you meant to say was: s/real benefits/ flashy changes [12:06] 17:03:22 < sajes> The only real benefits of 13 will probably be official 64 bit release [12:06] sajes is a funny man... [12:06] :D [12:06] i disagree [12:06] Dominian: Indeed. But using a kernel with support for everything in it for just one machine is stupid. [12:07] Zordrak: Where do you see "waste of time" in that sentence? [12:07] sajes: uuhhhh thats why a generic is shipped [12:07] sajes: and anyone who wants to can trim that down further [12:07] "not a real benefit" == "waste of time" [12:07] Zordrak: Also notice that there's "probably", which means it's an assumption. Not to mention that the main concern of slackware devs will _probably_ be introducing a 64 bit varient. [12:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:08] anyway, I won't run slack13, I'll upgrade to the latest 12.2-current and wait for slack14, I'm supersitious -_- [12:08] Camarade_Tux: i lol'd. maybe we should petition Pat to skip a version number again? [12:09] Action: sajes goes back to coiling up his ethernet cable. [12:09] =PP [12:09] ???? Camarade_Tux : why ? [12:09] kristoffer (n=kristoff@95.209.69.59.bredband.tre.se) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] haha, no, that wasn't serious ;) [12:09] and I wouldn't want 13 to be skipped :) [12:09] it would be even better if other distro skipped it :D [12:10] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.148.237) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] sajes: Well I use the huge kernel.. because I'm lazy :) [12:11] i hope pat will include red marlboro in new version release... muhwahhhehe... [12:12] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [12:12] Camarade_Tux: ? so that slackware would be the only distro stable/ballsy enough to release a version numbered 13? [12:12] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:12] hahaha [12:12] besides, the kernel isn't the place for the most performance tweaking these days... [12:12] god damn finance director went home 5 minutes before i was ready with a PO for him to sign :( [12:12] I have a Slackware 0.9 disk lying about somewhere. [12:13] I have the book linux secrets, and slackware 3.0 on cd :) [12:14] http://nextround.net/2009/06/04/the-20-most-inappropriately-hilarious-yahoo-answers-questions/ [12:14] The fun part, is that I can read that book, and a lot of it suites the slackware of today too :) [12:15] hackedhead, so that we see how irrational and commercial other distros are [12:15] rhys, if you can still read it, you should back it up ;) [12:15] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [12:16] Camarade_Tux, whats wrong with being commercial? Other than the .NET mono bullshit, I very much like how Canonical makes systems [12:16] Is Patrick still the BD of slackware? [12:16] O_o [12:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.11.120) joined ##slackware. [12:18] rhys, I consider trying to reach a wider audience at all cost to be a bad move, if you skip 13, what other stupid thing might have you done or are you going to do ? [12:19] wait. I came in late to the conversation. Is someone really minding that superstitious nonsense about the number 13? [12:19] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5583.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [12:20] zmyrgel (n=user@hoasb-ff09dd00-209.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [12:20] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.11.120) left irc: Client Quit [12:21] I don't but I would be surprised other distro skip it [12:21] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.129) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [12:23] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [12:23] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection timed out [12:25] http://slackware.ning.com [12:25] :D [12:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:30] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.216.221) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:31] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:31] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [12:31] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:31] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9669511a31207f28) left irc: [12:31] antiwire, charter started downloading at 2-3 AM at 20megs [12:31] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.51.62) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Last Result: Download Speed: 4829 kbps (603.6 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 463 kbps (57.9 KB/sec transfer rate) [12:33] out of .. ? [12:34] that's what I should be getting [12:34] oh ok [12:34] because i don't need 20mbps wtf is wrong with you [12:34] i3lack0p (i=merlin@69.69.150.7) joined ##slackware. [12:34] you only have 5 megs [12:34] i dont know [12:35] lol [12:35] zounds (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [12:35] i wish they were still at 10 megs [12:35] max. [12:36] when they had 10 megs max, my uncapped modem when plugged in did 30 megs [12:36] then they went to 16 megs, then it started to average like 24-25 [12:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:36] at the beginnings of 20 megs, it was still going strong but everyone i know says it's slow (their charter) [12:36] Question: are there any howtos out there that can give me a hint on what to do to install slackware to a dd img. I am trying to set up a cookie cutter installation [12:37] i3lack0p: just install it to and HD and image it... [12:37] and/an [12:37] big_bass (n=big_bass@189.192.224.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] doesn't help that that monkey who wanted to charge google for traffic (at att) is going to run GM now [12:47] By the way.. for anyone STILL following.. and for anyone that cares about my opinion (which may be no-one but what the hell).. my final decision here is G DATA. None of the competitors came close... everything has its +ves and -ves.. but G DATA just totally blew everything else out of the water [12:49] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:51] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:52] axius (n=tty@92.85.216.221) joined ##slackware. [12:55] http://sarah.thesharps.us/ [12:55] Greetings everyone. :) [12:55] this piece of work writes linux device drivers. [12:56] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.51.62) left irc: [12:57] antiwire : wow [12:58] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:58] i3lack0p (i=merlin@69.69.150.7) left ##slackware. [12:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:59] antiwire, she looks like donna from that 70's show [13:00] haha, she sort of does. [13:00] she's more leet than her though [13:00] Think she's 8 feet tall and bulletproof? [13:00] lol [13:00] Now with that aside. Are you single? God you're cute. You can see my pics on http://myspace.com/zenbsdi [13:00] HAHAHAHAAHAH [13:00] Posted by Richard at Mon Dec 15 18:08:53 2008 [13:00] I doubt it would be worthwhile for her. From a look at your pictures I think you'd probably eat her portion too. [13:01] lol [13:01] i added the hahaha part [13:01] Love it. [13:02] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Connection timed out [13:02] Intelligent chicks are the hottest kind. [13:02] by the way, she's lacking pretty [13:02] heh [13:02] yeah , hot interesting chick [13:02] Extra points if she's a real bitch. [13:02] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:02] she write linux device drivers and launches rockets. [13:02] i've asked windows vista several times to hide the internet explorer 8 update and it feels like coming back [13:02] dang. [13:03] nbuonanno (n=nbuonann@cpe-74-67-15-46.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:03] she's not good looking, come on [13:03] where do you guys liv elol [13:03] she's not ulgy [13:03] she looks fine to me. [13:04] wow, my girlfriend must be 100/10 for you guys [13:04] she's a 10/10 for me ;) [13:04] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [13:04] my eyes just threw up [13:04] haha [13:05] :) [13:06] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:06] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.129) joined ##slackware. [13:06] 18:05:48 up 8 min, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.18, 0.12 [13:06] ok so lightning isnt TOTALLY brilliant [13:07] y0 [13:07] Zordrak, the thunderbird plugin? [13:07] no [13:07] the sky brightness thing [13:07] ah, for the laser wan? [13:07] haha [13:07] lightning rules [13:07] y0 slackytude, how's it going? [13:07] no.. for server sat at home that took a brief power cut [13:08] oh [13:08] I see [13:08] firebird619, heya! doing fine, just managed another robot simulatio lab [13:08] firebird619, hows it on your side of the globe [13:08] freebse (n=freebse@f051201203.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [13:08] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.198.162) joined ##slackware. [13:08] going great here, thanks. Weather's suppose to get better the next few days. [13:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [13:09] sounds good. [13:09] we still trust in our clouds and rain here [13:09] need no stinkin sun light [13:09] lol [13:09] it seems every day i come to the office, the day before, i had routed traffic to the cable modem, in the morning.. it's running on dsl [13:10] I love the rain i love the lightning... i just dont like my server's power getting cut [13:10] eviljames, may I ask you a qt question ? [13:11] Action: firebird619 pokes Camarade_Tux [13:11] Camarade_Tux: How's it going? [13:11] Action: Camarade_Tux miaows [13:11] does this nickserv have a ghostkill? [13:11] yes [13:12] firebird619, alright, unmotivated but alright [13:12] /msg nickserv ghost [13:12] and you ? [13:12] Camarade_Tux: Certainly. [13:12] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. [13:12] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] eviljames, thanks, I need to display a list of elements in an MVC way but I can't figure out how it works [13:14] Action: Camarade_Tux hopes 'MVC' is the right word [13:14] As in, Model View Controller? [13:14] eviljames, yes [13:15] What's getting you hung up? pastebin your code? [13:18] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:18] the code works around that and uses a standard list so it won't show anything, let's say I have a list of struct { int a; int b; char* s }, I want to display s for each element but still be able to know a and b for each element [13:18] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5583.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [13:20] I didn't found my way around the documentation for that specific thing, a keyword would probably be enough [13:20] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Sec, I have piles of documentation to go through :P [13:21] qt4+ I'm assuming [13:21] qt4, yeah [13:21] and +, yeah too ;) [13:22] ok, so you probably want a QListView? [13:23] hey, if a program has no DEST dir support in its Makefile how should I deal with packaging it? Is manually cp'ing everything into a $PKG/ structure sane? [13:23] antiwire: Provided it isn't statically linked, probably. However, there may be other facilities to work around that. [13:24] antiwire: Which Package? [13:24] Camarade_Tux: Possibly a QTableView? [13:24] eviljames, I'm now using a qlistwidget but iirc qlistview is what I tried/wanted to use at first [13:24] eviljames: fragrouter 1.6 [13:24] eviljames, I need to be able to sort elements [13:25] Camarade_Tux: a property of QTableView::isSortingEnabled() [13:25] public void setSortingEnabled (bool enable) :P [13:25] eviljames, I don't think so : I need to sort them by hand (mouse) [13:25] antiwire, a chroot may be alright for what you want [13:26] for packaging? [13:26] antiwire, yeah, you would be able to give the prefix that way [13:26] That's a better solution [13:27] eviljames, now I remember what my problem was : I don't know how to add elements to a qlistview ! [13:27] Camarade_Tux: k, I'll have to dig into the docs.. [13:27] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CD595.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Does anyone know of an outline for using chroot for packaging? [13:28] xisxon (i=xisxon@114.121.138.65) left irc: [13:28] axius (n=tty@92.85.216.221) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:28] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [13:30] the annoying part with using a chroot is you'd need [13:30] gah, rited [13:30] *tired... [13:30] comrad. [13:30] Camarade_Tux: Probably want to investigate QAbstractItemView [13:30] you need to be root to make the packages [13:30] Action: jeev salutes [13:30] hi jeev :) [13:30] how is alla pugacheva [13:31] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] Camarade_Tux: the function you want is setModel, then setRootIndex [13:33] At least, if what I'm reading is correct. [13:33] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] that took me a while as well, until I understood that fancy Qt MVCstuff [13:34] Camarade_Tux: I think using a QListView, you'd set the model to be your struct (or a QList of your structs), then the modelColumn being that of s. [13:34] especially going from qt3 to qt4 [13:34] slackytude: I'm still learning, myself... learn something new every day, in fact :P [13:34] true enuff [13:35] slackytude: If you're more experienced, is what I'm advising Camarade_Tux nonsense, or reasonable? [13:35] Im not sure, just got back, let me read the log [13:35] eviljames, seems reasonable [13:35] but I still have to lookup that stuff anyway [13:35] I'm googling right now and I'm already finding several pages that look interesting :) [13:36] http://doc.qtsoftware.com/4.5/qlistview.html <- tons and tons of links to varying functions, inherited classes and such. I love Qt's docs. [13:36] http://www.qtcentre.org/forum/f-qt-programming-2/t-difficulties-with-qtableview-and-setmodel-14202.html <- this looks like what I was looking for :) [13:37] yeah, subclass itemvie and abstractmodel [13:37] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [13:38] gah, already 7:35 pm, /me has to go [13:38] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] anyway, it looks to be what I was looking for, I'll try that as soon as possible (will probably be on friday though) [13:39] Cool, hope it helps. [13:39] reminds me we have about 10 pages to hand, we've already planned to get drunk to write everything as quickly and as happily as possible :) [13:40] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] You should be able to subclass QAbstractTableModel and use a standard Tablevie [13:41] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Action: slackytude lags behind [13:42] slackytude, 500ms ping, yeah, you're really lagging >< [13:43] slackytude: The one requirement that I'm not sure if tableview covers is drag & drop re-sorting. [13:43] Which I *think* listview does. [13:43] it does resorting [13:43] and drag and drop, hrm [13:43] not sure about drag and drop [13:43] Me neither :/ [13:43] well, I'll tell you the ;p [13:44] Action: Camarade_Tux wants to tell christel we got the message [13:44] anyway, thanks a lot, gotta go now, see you :) [13:44] and that was s/you the/you then/ [13:44] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:45] oh well [13:46] eh [13:46] just noticed Ive got a bug in my model [13:46] good that I took a look at that [13:47] Nick change: chuck -> chuck_ [13:47] Nick change: chuck_ -> chuck [13:49] Nick change: init[1] -> buffer [13:50] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:50] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:51] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:52] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.51.62) joined ##slackware. [13:53] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.129) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Nick change: buffer -> init[1] [14:00] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest97834 [14:00] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-254-172.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] roorah_ (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:00] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:01] God damn powercuts! [14:01] Nick change: Guest97834 -> init[1] [14:03] %) [14:04] Goddamn powerthirst [14:05] get a gigantic UPS [14:06] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] xNinja (n=ninja@78.154.210.251) joined ##slackware. [14:06] xNinja (n=ninja@78.154.210.251) left ##slackware. [14:07] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:09] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] antiwire: I helped a friend install a gigantic UPS in his office a few years ago. [14:11] antiwire: Batteries the size of moderate sized VW Jettas [14:12] I don't even want to know what the cost of the units were ... [14:12] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:16] and i thought powercuts were the phenomenon of third world countried only [14:17] axius (n=axius@92.82.85.170) joined ##slackware. [14:18] qartis (n=qartis@60.186.235.199) joined ##slackware. [14:18] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-131.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [14:20] landyda: Indeed, they are. [14:21] Dominian (n=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:22] eviljames: well i suffer from regular powercuts [14:22] to hell to electricity board [14:23] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [14:23] My UPS warns me of sags and spikes at least 3 times a day [14:23] but I don't often have full on outages [14:23] Wow. I have clean, regular electricity coming to my house pretty much all the time. [14:23] That or my ups is horribly malfunctioning. [14:24] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.42.53) joined ##slackware. [14:24] eviljames: i live in one of the vip areas of the city where there should be officially no powercut unless urgently required so [14:25] even then, half an hour daily is regular [14:25] VIP areas.. ? [14:25] noizze__ (n=noise@p549CE9BB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [14:26] ohh because of my dad... :) [14:27] Action: alienBOB would expect a city with VIP areas to be in a developing country [14:27] Your city divides people between important, and non-important, and then gives them the resulting amount of electricity? :o [14:27] sajes: come here and feel the difference :P [14:28] Dominian (n=dominian@col-dsl-dynamic-254-105-124-65.tls.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] It boggles the mind... [14:28] landyda: Where are you at? [14:28] somewhere near new delhi [14:28] What country? [14:28] India [14:28] india [14:28] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [14:28] o.O [14:28] LEarn your geographics [14:28] lol [14:28] alienBOB: Make me. ;) [14:29] US citizen I guess, sajes? [14:29] Who needs geographics when you have beer battered chicken and cheese fries? [14:29] Definitely [14:29] alienBOB: Yeah. I'm just living up to the stereotype. [14:30] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-254-172.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:30] sajes: Just out of curiosity, can you point out New Orleans on an unlabeled map? (no offense intended, I read in Time magazine that a ridiculously large number of American cannot) [14:31] lol [14:31] eviljames: No, and the reason nobody knows where it is, is because the new orleans locals pronounce it nawlins. Even people in new orleans don't know where new orleans is. [14:31] gar0t0: I don't consider that a laughing matter. The article was from shortly after Katrina. [14:31] lol [14:31] alienBOB: hey man! are you ok ? [14:31] firebird619: hi :D [14:32] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-131.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] You know it's going to be a bad day when you walk in your server room and the AC is blowing warm air... [14:32] Hi gar0t0, how are you? [14:32] eviljames: If I had to guess, somewhere near colorado. [14:32] eviljames: ok ok [14:32] sajes: hahah good man :P [14:32] firebird619: fine thnks [14:32] y0 agentc0re|work, how's it going? [14:32] gar0t0: I realized that you couldn't tell the intonation far too late. [14:32] firebird619: Bad. [14:32] Action: eviljames writes as he speaks, which is poorly in both cases [14:32] It was 77 deg F in my server room. [14:32] agentc0re|work: ouch, a/c warm air is NOT good. [14:32] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:33] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [14:33] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:33] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [14:33] good grief, 77? yikes. [14:33] Ya... AC took a dump. [14:33] Fuck there is the bot again [14:33] eviljames: :) [14:33] Action: eviljames sets mode +b *!*@*.at.shellium.org [14:33] Yes [14:33] Bot? Why would they have a bot join/part twice in a row? [14:33] Let's make this right. I'll instruct slackboy [14:34] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:34] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [14:34] there it comes again [14:34] Action: agentc0re|work sets mode +b *!*@*.shellium.org [14:34] Meh. Now there's a good way to flood a person's buffer. If you're on a 1200 baud modem. :o [14:35] just do the whole domain! [14:35] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:35] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:35] soniya kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: +91d I hate badly written bots [14:36] hahah [14:36] agentc0re|work: fsck it! +b *!*@*.org [14:36] eviljames: Even better, +b *!*@* [14:36] YEA! [14:36] It will not prevent us from seeing the joins. Effectively there is zero gain. But it feels better [14:36] Agreed, it's cathartic. [14:36] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] njan (i=james@freenode/staff/njan) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:37] agentc0re|work: heh, I think one of the netops on oftc did that a while ago or something similar ;) [14:37] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:37] BP{k}: LOL [14:37] komesti (n=komesti@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:38] ... That wasn't 91 days. [14:38] ban /fail [14:38] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:38] soniya kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: I hate badly written bots [14:38] Ban typo ;-) [14:38] haha [14:38] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [14:38] :D [14:40] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CD595.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] whose bot is that anyway? [14:40] damn finally shellium [14:41] slackboy's [14:41] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [14:41] Action: Zordrak slaps face [14:42] newbieslacker (n=lemslack@host158.190-30-86.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] Action: Zordrak realises question [14:42] Action: Zordrak shuts up [14:42] Action: firebird619 laughs at Zordrak ;) [14:42] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [14:42] :P [14:42] hey sexy jeev_ [14:42] Linux slack 2.6.29.4 #3 SMP Fri May 29 13:56:50 CDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [14:42] unf [14:42] oh, it's a Q9550, i keep thinking Q8200 or something [14:46] heret|c (n=heretic@c-24-30-117-194.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] Action: init[1] hates using ubunut now ! [14:46] Action: init[1] hates using ubuntu now ! [14:47] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left ##slackware ("init 0"). [14:48] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [14:48] axius (n=axius@92.82.85.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:49] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.51.62) left irc: [14:49] init[1]: actually I think the same about slack *hides* [14:50] hahaha apoca I think you're in the wrong place then :P [14:50] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [14:50] No, this chan is perfect when I need some help ;-) [14:50] and you people are cool [14:50] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-152.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:50] apoca: we people fight atimes :P [14:50] I just don't get along with slack or linux in general [14:50] init[1]: that's a cool++ ;-) [14:51] If you don't get along with slack or linux, why do you use it? [14:51] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-29.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] I have some pretty old software with coff-binaries [14:51] init[1]: you are that soniya (i=buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) - right? [14:51] and the abi-interpreter of freebsd doesn't run all of them [14:52] well, linux does, with the abi-patch [14:52] alienBOB: oops did that bot came here , i was testing it on channle [14:52] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:52] init[1]: if it appears here ONCE more you are banned for life as a result [14:52] init[1]: You made a bot to join/part? [14:53] alienBOB: sorry i didn't meant to attack this channel i was experementing with bots [14:54] I was on the shell [14:54] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:54] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.184) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Well you know the consequence now [14:55] alienBOB: i aplolgize if it created any problem ,seriously i was testing it more over i like slackware so i gave ##slackware in my bot [14:56] most of the time i was on my shell [14:56] Stupid [14:56] No bots are alllowed here [14:56] i didn't notice the channel problems [14:56] init[1]: you don't join any public channel, without asking permission first, generally. [14:56] We did [14:56] init[1]: epic fail [14:56] init[1]: how many more are you going to make? [14:56] init[1]: any IRC network will enforce that policy [14:56] Zordrak: i don't know bots much [14:56] seriously [14:57] init[1]: your previous fails have been bot-unrelated [14:57] hey guys chill i wasn't knowing it would be so serious [14:58] To every one in the channel i applogize [14:58] Heh. I completely forgot I had a different email account. [14:58] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-152.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:59] hey are you all ok ! do accept me , im extreemly sorry [15:02] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [15:03] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.15.138) joined ##slackware. [15:04] what you sorry about foo [15:04] Hey nix_chix0r, how's it going? [15:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] nix_chix0r: i pulled in bot , it created problems [15:05] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "fix stuff" [15:05] why would you bring a bot in here idiot [15:06] nix_chix0r: i'm not familar with bot's i was trying to learn how to use it ,since i like slackware i had put this channel name in it [15:06] anyone else get a could not parse the XML file (). in network settings? [15:06] kde 4.2.4 [15:07] init[1], silly boy [15:07] The result for now being that anything from *.at.shellium.org is banned from this channel. Thank the bot [15:07] ouch, right click and got a sigsegv. [15:07] alienBOB: please im really sorry [15:08] hope you all will accept my presence in channel [15:09] Your presence is not an issue init[1] . But your actions were. Certain other channel ops would already have banned you by now [15:10] And the shellium.org ban is permanent [15:10] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [15:11] alienBOB: i would like to contribute to the ban list [15:11] alienBOB: http://pastebin.ca/1455710 [15:11] these are other domains that may come in [15:12] ab ;) [15:12] Looks like *.shellium.org might have been the better ban... [15:12] Yey, my suggestion FTW! [15:12] hey do chill with me ! [15:13] i reall sorry for my noobish actions [15:13] init[1]: I don't want to sit in the cold with you though. [15:13] :) agentc0re|work [15:13] the funniest part about this is how init[1] apoloziges over and over and everybody is like "YOU NOOB" [15:13] <3 [15:14] agentc0re|work: *!*@* 4ever! [15:14] Action: agentc0re|work high fives eviljames! [15:14] Action: eviljames dodges [15:14] Gotta catchem all! [15:14] Swing and a miss, chump! [15:14] Sorry [15:14] Action: agentc0re|work ends up smacking eviljames's ass instead. [15:14] lol [15:14] Pervert! You made me miss so i would do that didn't you? [15:14] I think I will ban init[1] then.. to cure him from his "funny"ness. Should I, init[1]? [15:15] I'm greatly inspired at the moment: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/06/its-official-futurama-returns.html?cnn=yes [15:15] eviljames : yep, this is great news [15:15] Nah, I will not, as long as you keep behaving [15:15] alienBOB: no , please , i love slackware , i have not community in iRC other than this [15:15] yea right [15:15] ananke: For sure, loser! (bender = my hero) [15:15] SO! Learn from this experience. It was your first and final warning [15:16] alienBOB: thank you ! alienBOB :) [15:16] sure i will [15:16] alienBOB: I don't think he's being funny. There is obviously a communication barrier and he isn't typing out the proper way. apoca was just saying that everyone is telling him he is an idiot, idiot, idiot after he's apologized several times. [15:18] I give you guys 5-1 odds that English is a 2nd language, and he's an Indian college student. Smart, polite, but not articulate. [15:18] Sla-ck (i=744464c5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dabdd1f84903c386) joined ##slackware. [15:18] s/2nd/50th/ for all I know [15:18] Ew god mibbit! [15:19] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [15:19] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.85.170) joined ##slackware. [15:21] eviljames: we have a new indian hire here, and there is a language barrier [15:22] thumbs: I worked for GE for a long time, and we had thousands of employees in Hyderabad. Dealing with them on a daily basis, I find your statement hard to believe. [15:23] eviljames: perhaps it's just this guy [15:24] Action: alienBOB controls (sort of) a helpdesk team in Hyderabad, and with the customer being dutch there is _definitely_ a language barrier that is not there when the dutch customers are sealing with US collegues [15:24] s/sealing/dealing/ [15:24] thumbs: Perhaps. The folks I worked with spoke the queen's english, pretty fluently and I found the accent to be a little charming. [15:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:26] eviljames: I just have to repeat the same things 5 times for him to understand [15:27] wifi hotspot...mayhem [15:27] there's probably 15 people on this thing [15:28] it's like a gigantic ARP fsck orgy [15:28] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [15:31] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:32] gubbe (i=gubbe@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:33] wonder why freenode doesn't do geoip dns to route to a better local irc server [15:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:35] hellu [15:36] is there ati in slackbuilds [15:36] or do somone have a howto [15:36] did you look at slackbuilds yet? [15:37] antiwire, jeev edman007 firebird619 acidchild http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i197/geek_chix0r/?action=view¤t=mvi_0980.flv [15:37] Action: edman007 clicks [15:37] when i serch for ati i ge so mutch [15:37] you better have clothes on [15:37] nix_chix0r: thanks. [15:37] heya edman007, How's it going? [15:37] good [15:38] watching video of person driving an armored bulldozer [15:38] nix_chix0r: he's so cute. gosh, he gets bigger by the day. :P [15:38] he's wearin overalls and his harley shirt from grandpa today [15:38] nix_chix0r, nice [15:39] i don't see the heleium tank though, and i can tell you have some [15:39] edman007: dethdozer! [15:39] it was wild [15:39] yea [15:39] yes i keep helium in stock [15:39] monstro (i=1000@201-26-14-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:40] he got it stuck across the wall of some basement footing thought [15:40] though* [15:40] Hi all [15:40] Where I find awesome wm 3 for slackware ? [15:40] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:40] baby looks like he wants to poop [15:40] he hasnt had a good poop since monday [15:40] usually comes every three days [15:40] a blow out of some sort [15:41] suid0_ (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:42] monstro you'll have t obuild a pkg for it [15:42] monstro ask jeev how to do it assuming he's not bleeding from his vagina today [15:43] uzr, http://spiralofhope.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/awesome-window-manager-almost-vindicated/ [15:43] *it failed completely* [15:45] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:45] uzr, ? [15:45] monstro just looks like you are missing some includes [15:46] scubacuda__ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [15:48] jeev i just hacked your box and found all your gay porn.. you've been punked [15:49] hahah wtf? [15:49] luzr, what's your hate for jeev all about? (not that I mind...) [15:50] uzr, going to take a lot to download that huh? [15:50] Why does he want all his gay porn in the first place? [15:50] i can already tell you saturated your bandwidth stealing the porn [15:50] That explains the lag... [15:50] naeco (n=IceChat7@cho94-3-82-227-125-30.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] maybe they have video chat setup so they can watch each other watching it. [15:51] agentc0re|work put a lot of thought into that huh [15:51] agentc0re|work want to see my spread my asshole too? [15:51] Just a guess. [15:51] wow... it's like a 15 year old discovering goatse for the first time! [15:52] agentc0re|work tsk tsk, apparently the talk of gay gets your attention pretty well these days [15:52] What kind of time line do you consider "a lot of thought" to be? [15:52] eviljames: lol [15:52] agentc0re|work try not to finger your asshole while typing on irc [15:52] ut oh [15:52] agentc0re|work easy tiger the more you defend yourself the more we all know you love the cock [15:53] Man, watch out. Clever troll is being clever! [15:53] Sla-ck (i=744464c5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dabdd1f84903c386) left ##slackware. [15:53] uzr, please stop this. [15:53] monstro (i=1000@201-26-14-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:53] ffs [15:53] rofl [15:53] Has anyone else tried out 2.6.30 on -current yet using an initrd? Have you noticed a non-fatal error about udevsettle? [15:53] eviljames: Fail troll is fail. :) [15:53] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] dont hate on me everyone grows a set of balls on irc [15:54] I'v checked the latest udev-142 but I'm not so sure that the new version is related to this [15:54] Good lord i can't wait until school starts up again. Looks like all the kiddies don't get their smack talk on and out of their system unless they can put down their peers so it just happens in here. [15:54] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [15:54] agentc0re|work, lol [15:55] uzr: Yes, you still are growing those aren't you? [15:55] agentc0re|work you prefer in person these days? [15:55] I'm not sure if it's related to udev rules or if it's a script or binary tool [15:55] i'm here trying to get away from my grandma, she is starting to go into a drunken rant :( [15:55] It's okay, one day you'll have hair on your chest as well. [15:55] haha edman007 been there [15:55] agentc0re|work just say the words we can make this happen [15:55] edman007: Drink some of her beers. :o [15:55] nah dude just tell her you're late for work and then lock yourself in the garage [15:55] sajes, maybe i will... [15:56] Make what happen uzr? I'm not going to turn this into a southpark episode where i sell you my pubes for $10. [15:57] Foke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] Hello [15:57] agentc0re|work only pussies change the subject when it comes to this [15:57] agentc0re|work you can pm me if it makes you feel better [15:57] *sigh [15:57] Wow, the channel is so much cleaner after a /ignore uzr [15:57] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] lol [15:57] eviljames: you noticed that too eh? ;) [15:57] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] agentc0re|work what happened to your bad ass attitude and witty remarks [15:57] Hey Necos, how's it going? [15:58] I went to download the latest slackware version iso and i saw that i need to get the torrent one, i know how to download with torrents but where do i find the latest? [15:58] heya firebird619... workin hard ^_^ [15:58] Foke: what? [15:58] slackware.com/torrents [15:58] kk [15:58] you don't need to do use torrents, though [15:58] Well,i prefer them anyway [15:58] That's right. thrice` will DCC to you! [15:58] or email [15:59] because he has nothing better to do with his bandwidth ^^ [15:59] lawl [15:59] udevsettle...anyone? bueller? bueller? [15:59] lol [16:00] agentc0re|work are you mormon? [16:00] wtf is uzr talking about? [16:00] ah ha! udevadm settle instead of udevsettle [16:00] Wait,this isnt any christian chat right? Or people that flame me if i dont believe in god? I have had a few problems with those... [16:00] agentc0re|work i bet youre a mormon hahaha [16:01] agentc0re|work: FYI, I have just converted someone to cubism. [16:01] Foke: there shouldn't be any such debate (but sometimes there is) [16:01] Yeah i got literally banned from a chat for that. [16:01] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:02] OclkdMan (n=headbrak@78.134.15.138) left irc: "Leaving" [16:02] anyway, wtf is wrong with this uzr guy? uzr: wtf are you talking about? [16:02] agentc0re|work wait wait... you're one of those dudes that hangs out in the band then is a bad ass on irc [16:02] LMAO [16:02] necos [16:02] you are not alone in here, i am an atheist too, as are others [16:02] Foke: just don't forget to Slack [16:02] Lol [16:02] jeev, what's up burbank brotha =p [16:02] i'm really glendale but ok nothing [16:02] lol [16:02] sfv brotha then, geez... [16:02] =p [16:02] just had a nasty chicken sandwich [16:03] Very well, downloading Slackware dvd meh meh meh [16:03] agentc0re|work im going to fuck your sisters, fyi [16:03] Nick change: Foke -> Foke|Away [16:03] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:03] Foke|Away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [16:03] LOL [16:03] lmao [16:03] HAHAHAH love it [16:03] That's my favorite ban. [16:03] wow, that was hilarious [16:03] too bad uzr needs a caning too [16:03] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [16:03] I was testing it not long ago, if you set your nick to "faraway" or something along those lines it'll smash you too. [16:03] he knows it [16:04] im going to roll out to oklahoma and fuck his sisters [16:04] lol that's great [16:04] and make his brother watch [16:04] Foke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Lol [16:04] uzr: Any time you wanna come down to Salt Lake City, UT you can. Let me know and we'll meet. It wont be the kind of meeting you'll want to go to ever again though. [16:04] oh UT [16:04] uzr: that's quite enough. [16:04] But you get what i am LOL [16:04] foke, turn your auto-away script off =p [16:04] agentc0re|work address? [16:04] uzr, stfu already [16:04] no script >_> [16:04] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-161-4.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] agentc0re|work pm your address [16:04] uva (i=bno@118-168-232-237.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:04] Action: Necos prods rworkman repeatedly [16:04] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:04] uzr: THAT'S ENOUGH. [16:04] agentc0re|work you that blond fucker? [16:04] break out the boots already [16:04] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=uzr@*.nc.res.rr.com' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:04] uzr kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Bye now [16:04] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-152.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] quiet, he's thinking of a good kick message [16:05] haha [16:05] LOL [16:05] alienBOB to the rescue [16:05] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:05] Thank you. [16:05] alienBOB: :) [16:05] yay for alienBOB [16:05] cant we all just get along - rodney king :p [16:05] i had that guy on ignore [16:05] It's hard for me to bite my tongue when stuff is going on like that. So thank you again. [16:05] My logs tell me that the same IP address uzr used, was also used by battlemidget in the past [16:06] aha [16:06] ahhhhhh [16:06] rizitis_ (n=rizitis@athedsl-4567157.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:06] ol' mentalmidget [16:06] anyone else report that non-fatal udevsettler error with 2.6.30 yet? It seems like it might be related to my use of an initrd (I know 2.6.30 isn't official yet but it might come up eventually. [16:06] ) [16:06] I kind of remember battlemidget... [16:06] heh battlemidget [16:06] funny [16:06] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.85.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:06] head over to #slamd64 for more! [16:06] sounds like a troll... [16:06] i hate the word troll [16:07] jeev: troll! [16:07] it's a hateful word, the little bastard [16:07] Yeah, my tab went blue as soon as you kicked him from here. [16:07] I'm just going to ignore him. [16:07] the first time i heard the word troll was in a story when i was a child, (Billy Goat's Gruff) [16:07] brb, I'll get more info about wtf I'm whining about [16:07] Hi everyone! Could anybody help me with Vista and Sony Vaio Laptop ? [16:07] they live under a bridge [16:08] naeco: yes. Install Slackware on it. [16:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] naeco: if that's not the help you were wanting, you're in the wrong place. [16:08] lol rworkman [16:08] i'm going to guess that he wants to dual boot [16:09] NukeDukem, Because they own bridges and want to keep people away from it(or pay to cross) ;) [16:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.198.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:09] yeah, they are not nice [16:10] but they were rich =p [16:10] taste pretty good with a curry sauce [16:10] and ugly *shivers* [16:11] scubacuda__ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Success [16:11] what retard is sleeping at 1:10 pm pst. [16:11] :/ i sleepy [16:11] lol, i am up at 4am every morning [16:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) joined ##slackware. [16:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:12] i been getting up early for so long i could not sleep in anymore, not even on my days off [16:12] jeev: You've never had a 24 hour gaming spree, have you? [16:12] sorry for being a noob but why Slackware ? does it have something to do with the trouble-shooting ? [16:12] sajes, im not weird [16:12] naeco, it's just better and cleaner [16:12] if you're a noob on slackware, i think once you're good.. you'll be really good [16:13] If all you ever admin is Slackare.. [16:13] Slackware^ [16:13] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:13] naeco: once you get to know what linux is under the hood where it really counts you will know why slackers love slackware [16:13] if you learn on fedora and the other crap then i dont think you could be as great as you could be on slack [16:13] umm, but my problem it windows related though [16:14] naeco: Best check in #windows [16:14] fdisk will take care of that windows problem [16:14] a guy hinted me that this is the good place for getting help [16:14] Action: sajes chuckles. [16:14] NukeDukem, dump that crap OS... Slackware rulez!! [16:14] heh naeco [16:14] naeco: tell him he was wrong. [16:14] Yes, we will help you with your Slackware problems sure [16:14] naeco: You've been punked. You won't get any windows support here. [16:15] NukeDukem, I meant naeco [16:15] ya, np [16:15] well, good one ! Thanks anyway ! [16:15] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14697 [16:16] that's my output RE: /sbin/udevsettle [16:16] antiwire: when did you upgrade to -current? [16:16] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [16:17] udevsettle has been long gone - replaced by 'udevadm settle' [16:17] rworkman: Not an upgrade, it was current fresh installed [16:17] Nick change: rizitis_ -> rizitis [16:17] I think it might be related to the initrd but I'm not sure [16:17] this only started after the new kernel [16:17] Very weird. You didn't get this on 2.6.29.4? [16:17] nope [16:17] Hrm, just a sec [16:18] Action: thrice` hopes 2.6.30 improves UXA on intel :> [16:18] grep -R udevsettle /boot/initrd-tree [16:18] I bet it is cryptsetup [16:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] ah! [16:18] thrice`: KMS is utterly broken here on 2.6.29.4. [16:18] rworkman: zip for that grep [16:19] That leaves cryptsetup then. [16:19] rworkman: 2.6.30 should help, I think :) [16:19] thrice`: I hope so. All is well without it though. [16:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:20] KMS? [16:20] kernel mode setting [16:20] Hmm, i have always had something against that penguin... Probably when i played as the penguin on some game and died... :o [16:20] the kernel takes part in the graphic card management [16:20] i think i'm on .4 right now [16:20] rworkman: do you enable uxa accel in xorg.conf ? [16:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [16:21] yeah, 2.6.29.4 [16:21] thrice`: no xorg.conf at all [16:21] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.138.100) joined ##slackware. [16:21] naeco (n=IceChat7@cho94-3-82-227-125-30.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [16:21] who uses the network settings in kde ? it gives an XML error then a sigsegv [16:22] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:22] rworkman: ah, so you're on exa. I have a xorg.conf with about 5 lines to enable it [16:22] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:22] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [16:22] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Client Quit [16:22] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [16:23] thrice`: I'll see about trying that then [16:23] Meh. :| Two different connections on accident. Forgot I had one session open already. [16:23] antiwire: problem in cryptsetup. http://slackware.com/~rworkman/cryptsetup-1.0.6-use_udevadm.diff <-- apply with patch -p1 [16:23] and rebuild cryptsetup [16:23] rworkman: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=538326#p538326 something about that simple [16:23] rworkman: awesome. thank you [16:24] antiwire: well, alienBOB has just noticed that it likely won't work, but feel free to try [16:24] I'll try, what the hell right ;) [16:26] hmm, maybe I better not try right now. I'll try on a test bed [16:26] antiwire: yes, please do. I disagree with alienBOB :D [16:26] hahaha [16:26] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [16:26] ^^ [16:28] I don't suppose I risk locking myself out of my luks root do i? [16:28] noizze__ (n=noise@p549CE9BB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:28] no more than now [16:29] Action: alienBOB disagrees with alienBOB too [16:29] Action: rob0 agrees with disagreeing [16:29] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:30] I used that patch last week to try and fix the segfaults in cryptsetup in slackware64 .. but as I did not fix the segfault, the patch was dropped [16:30] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't get what is going on [16:30] the patch only seems to touch the udev call, though [16:30] ok rebooting [16:30] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [16:30] hopefully i came back ;) [16:31] :) [16:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.2) joined ##slackware. [16:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:34] wb antiwire. [16:34] Rebuilt the initrd and rebooted, didn't lock me out but also didn't fix it [16:35] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [16:35] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] anyway, I know I'm jumping the gun with 2.6.30 but at least now you guys know about this [16:36] thanks for checking into early like this [16:36] I don't understand why kernel matters, though [16:37] that's the only thing that changed. [16:37] I'm on a current, -current with and upgraded kernel and 2.6.29.4 doesn't do this [16:37] and/an [16:39] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*.at.shellium.org expired. [16:39] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:41] What would be the best way to upgrade my entire system? Linux, programms... [16:41] slackpkg? [16:42] antiwire: ah; strange. I'm still at work, and havne't tried 2.6.30 yet, but nothing appeared radical in the changelog [16:42] Necos: I will try that. Thank you! [16:42] be more specific, you mean patches & updates? or upgrade from 12.2 to -current? pri4pus ? [16:42] thrice`: yeah, I'm at a loss too. At first I thought 2.6.30 expected a newer udev but from what I can tell that isn't the case [16:42] thrice`: it's not fatal though, just a "wtf" [16:43] NukeDukem: Actually I mean upgrading from 12.1 to 12.2! [16:43] pri4pus: start by reading the documentation in the top level of the 12.2 mirrors [16:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:43] Topic changed on ##slackware by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: cyrus-sasl | Everyone bow down to the new txz format | Slackware64 is out !! | -current is [16:43] Drum roll [16:43] heh [16:44] hahaha [16:44] Erm... "-current is" .... what? [16:44] Topic changed on ##slackware by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: cyrus-sasl | -current is hot -- new Xorg! :) [16:44] YAY! [16:44] character limit in topic, I guess... [16:44] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [16:44] new xorg! [16:44] On snap! [16:44] Action: jeev sets new topic [16:45] ouch! I just touched -current and got shocked. [16:45] pri4pus: if you wait a little longer slackware-13 will be out, (before the end of the year) [16:45] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:45] Waw, I will wait then. But then I will need to do a clean install, right? [16:45] volkerdi (i=3321@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Try to do something real shocking after upgrading to latest -current.... delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf and start X [16:46] all rise. [16:46] and it damned well better work. :) [16:46] Action: Camarade_Tux buys beer to the whole channel ! [16:46] alienBOB: Did they get all the auto-conf stuff working well? [16:46] comrad, i dont drink. buy me a smoothie? [16:46] (if you use a binary blob in x.org that will hurt a bit) [16:46] Yeah and i am underage so :P [16:46] jeev, whatever you like :) [16:46] alienBOB, and does slackware come with nouveau now ? [16:47] I have an xorg.conf with only a Device section in it (to define the nvidia driver) and the rest deleted [16:47] No nouveau [16:47] ='( [16:47] That's hot as hell. [16:47] Action: rob0 stands and salutes [16:47] It's a little bit too nouveau still [16:47] http://www.instantrimshot.com [16:48] volkerdi, hehe :p [16:48] We hoped that arny would deliver his promise and have xorg-server 1.6.1 before we did, so that we would just have to harvest... but we still needed rworkman to do the research in the end [16:48] alienBOB: No input or keyboard layout configuration in the xorg.conf? [16:48] lol [16:48] None [16:49] cathectic: hal does it all [16:49] that's wild! [16:49] Have they merged MPX yet? [16:49] thrice`: Do they get it right now then? Last I tried it out, you still had to do weird FDI hacking to get the right keyboard layout. [16:49] and/or does it work well? [16:49] well, I'll keep the nouveau git repo in my home and install it whenever I need too, that'll always be better than "nvidia" =) [16:49] antiwire: Thank you! [16:49] pri4pus: good luck [16:49] Action: Camarade_Tux dreams again of perfect projector support for his laptop \o/ [16:50] Soo, Slackware supports 1280x1024 32bit right? :p [16:50] well,"looks okay" in it atleast [16:51] cathectic: my xorg.conf is 6 lines ... two of them being Section "Device" and Endsection [16:51] cathectic: it all works fine here. Non-english stuff might be trickier - I honestly don't know, but that's what testing is for :) [16:51] noahm (n=frodo@spider.morgul.net) left ##slackware. [16:51] slackware will support that no problem Foke but the question is, will your graphics card and monitor support that resolution? [16:51] ared (n=ared@host101-181-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Graphics card yep,monitor yep [16:52] i am running in that atm [16:52] rworkman: Not non-English, just non nasty en-US layout :) [16:52] Camarade_Tux: xrandr --auto makes my laptop recognize a projector and works great. [16:52] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] ared (n=ared@host101-181-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [16:52] rworkman, yeah, I had that until last year :) [16:52] Action: Dominian imagines rworkman at Slack-con or something trying to get his laptop to work with the projector.... [16:53] cathectic: well, if you run into any issues, you know where to send fixes :) [16:53] Dominian: been there, done that somewhere, but I don't recall where now :/ [16:53] heh [16:53] randr is fantastic, projectors work much better than on windows and I find this very important not to have linux fail in front of 100 people :) [16:53] and having PV come up and fix it for you ;P [16:54] Oh, it was at my school's "beauty walk" - the facility that we rented had a broken laptop, so I volunteered to do the backdrop and music from mine. Almost was ugly. [16:54] Usually I'm busy fixing the windows boxes [16:54] lol [16:54] Well, I Imagine something like this: [16:54] rworkman: "Shit... its not working!" [16:55] volkerdi: "Hang on... damn noobs..." *clickclick* "Caps lock was on..." [16:55] I ended up having to quit X and restart with the projector plugged in, and it worked. No hotswapping though. [16:55] SuN (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:56] rworkman: nice job on xorg, though; can't wait to try when I get home :) [16:56] argh... [16:56] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [16:56] that's a lot of updates to -current [16:56] well ho-ly shit.. my missus is out of town one night.. so i bother to come in here after hours and God is in the house.. [16:56] evening [16:56] volkerdi: General and well-overdue thank you for anything and everything [16:56] especially the lemons. [16:56] hehe [16:56] especially [16:57] Everyone loves a good party of lemons :) [16:57] hoho [16:57] Those too. [16:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-210-254.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] I'd second what Zordrak was saying, actually. [16:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-210-254.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Be sure to hit up the store when it all releases :) [16:58] volkerdi: having used and abused slack for a decade now, I must say thanks at the very least. [16:58] rworkman: Done, and done. :D [16:58] I love new hard drives in the SAN [16:58] 240 MB/s [16:59] nice one straterra, SAS disks? [16:59] Nope..which makes it even more awesome [16:59] SATA [16:59] oki [16:59] thrice`: Xorg was updated [17:00] o'rly [17:00] yeah [17:00] See ya people [17:00] Foke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [17:00] x/xorg-server-1.6.1-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. [17:00] not sure what "version" of xorg that really is [17:00] 7.4+ [17:00] <7.5 [17:00] like 7.4.5 [17:00] ah [17:01] thrice`: so you were wanting 7.5 right? [17:01] Given they have a tendency to release servers between official versions, it's always a bit of a guesing game. [17:01] Bop__ (n=ngomes@bl4-205-239.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:01] for modular xorg? [17:01] xorg release don't matter, really; just the server/mesa/drm stuff [17:01] An xorg "release" means about as much as a gnome "release" [17:01] heh [17:01] Or a Fedora release [17:01] Action: Zordrak read upwards and is suddenly wondering why there is no UK slack-con and what he needs to do to start one up [17:01] and is well on its way to being the same amount of pain. :/ [17:01] The difference being we actually care about X? [17:02] cathectic: that's one. :) [17:02] do some serious damage to the extreme FUD going on about slack around here [17:02] rworkman: what's cool, though; using new xorg, KDE4 effects turn on by default; on 1.4, they did not [17:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:02] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:02] Zordrak: Blame Canonical's having an office in London [17:02] thrice`: They did here [17:02] well, for my intel 965 anyway [17:03] cathectic: no.. the problem is lack of education. [17:03] All things considered, I think (hope?) the new Xorg is going to be a huge improvement for most people. [17:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "people freaking out from white text on black screen and battery is dying." [17:03] Are we using the mode switching stuff for Intel (for those cool kids who have those cards)? [17:03] I know some seriously experienced net admins and ISP net admins who think slack is completely insane to use on anything... purely cause they dont know [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-152.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] I suspect that there will be some bugs with various intel chipsets, but we'll see how that goes and figure out how to proceed [17:04] I think i need to put together a well laid out slackware FUD page [17:04] Bop__ (n=ngomes@bl8-67-42.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Zordrak: arhm..Slack is completely insane to use in a large corporation..but..thats IMO [17:04] something that looks pretty so they actually bother to read it, but being to the point [17:04] cathectic: KMS on our kernel is utterly broken here. Resolution is some hybrid of 1024x768 inside the monitor's native resolution. [17:04] and next : texlive instead of tetex ^^ [17:04] Action: Camarade_Tux runs for cover [17:04] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [17:04] Even worse, KMS is an all or nothing situation - no option to make it modular. [17:05] Action: agentc0re|work throws grenade at Camarade_Tux on the last tick [17:05] Since everything works without it (so far as I can tell based on testing several intel chipsets), the decision is obvious :) [17:05] ;) [17:05] agentc0re|work, ='( [17:05] Camarade_Tux: It was a dud. [17:05] Camarade_Tux: I've got texlive in my personal repo. Due to size, I don't expect it elsewhere any time soon. [17:05] Camarade_Tux: At least your pants are warm now :D [17:06] I turned on kms on an eee last week, with kernel 2.6.29.2 and it wasn't exactly perfect... [17:06] it had several glitches and vt switching was broken [17:06] Camarade_Tux: yeah, no better in 2.6.29.4. I'm going to pull 2.6.30 and give it a shot, but I suspect that the result is irrelevant at this point :) [17:06] I'm not sure I'd enable it in slackware's default kernel [17:06] straterra: i still dont see why [17:06] hmmm [17:06] I'll try to upgrade X and the kernel and test [17:07] straterra: theres nothing you cant automate with a script [17:07] KMS is what, for those of us not paying attention to intel video cards lately? [17:07] having kids... [17:07] rworkman, ok, I'll ping you with my results (probably friday or saturday) [17:07] Urchlay: kernel mode setting [17:07] kernel mode setting [17:07] Camarade_Tux: k [17:07] Zordrak: writing slackbuilds for random software and such doesn't get fun when you have to do it for a lot of servers..and lots of weird software [17:08] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] Camarade_Tux: would you do me a favour and take notes when upgrading your X11? [17:08] Urchlay, faster boot, faster vt switch, better in theory, and probably too young [17:08] Hmm... what's changed between now and two years ago as to why we're turning on all the input hotplug shinyness? Can it be easily made to turn off/ override now if you don't want it, or want to override it in xorg.conf and not via HAL fdi files? [17:08] straterra: depends on the needs of the particular organization. [17:08] kernel mode setting... is useful for X, or just for the console? [17:08] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Urchlay: All of the above. [17:08] dartmouth, ok, even though it's not mine (poor friend, I'm experimenting on his laptop ^^) [17:08] rworkman: yes..but I wouldn't really ever consider manually patching lots of servers very fun [17:08] straterra: straterra I build it once, submit it to SBo then install it on other wish sbopkg. [17:09] cathectic: it actually works now is the biggest change that I'm aware of. Re turning it off, iirc it's a simple addition to xorg.conf [17:09] anything you do to one server you can script to the others with ssh [17:09] straterra: then don't do it manually. slackpkg exists for a reason. [17:09] in a frigging for loop if needs be [17:09] tied into nmap [17:09] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [17:09] Compare that to yum install..which uses tons less bandwidth/cpu power/memory [17:09] rworkman: I'll test that and confirm then (though, digging through my old e-mails, it appeared to work just as well all that time ago, it was just a PITA to configure). [17:09] I'm just saying..there's reason very few commercial products support Slackware [17:10] straterra: why are you here? [17:10] Because I run Slackware on a few boxes..and I'm a regular..and I like helping people. [17:10] straterra: yeah.. but all of them provide red hat binaries which all run on slackware anywaay [17:10] cathectic: thanks [17:10] straterra has been here as long as i can remember :P [17:10] volkerdi: I have established through perseverence that strateera just likes to have an opposite opinion [17:10] volkerdi: I'm not saying Slackware sucks..I'm just saying most wouldn't prefer it large scale in a corporate environment. [17:11] volkerdi: he's not a troll.. he just likes to be different :) [17:11] and noobfarm would be empty without him [17:11] like me [17:11] good enough for me :-) [17:11] And most corporate products don't support it [17:11] slakmagik++ [17:11] There's also slapt-get, which: if used properly with an understanding of its weaknesses AND configured properly, and using a known good third party package repo (i.e. one hosted internally), would be a decent solution. [17:11] straterra: most corporate products dont even support ubuntu [17:11] they support RHEL and SuSE [17:11] never stopped me [17:11] Yeah.. [17:11] Which is what a lot of big corporations use :P [17:11] straterra: I wouldn't say that corporate products don't support Slackware for technical reasons, though [17:12] I run Veritas NetBackup on slackware with no hassle at all [17:12] Action: rob0 is just here to make trouble [17:12] I can run Cadence on Slackware and that is serious $$$$$ software [17:12] DOWN WITH CENTOS! :P [17:12] volkerdi: Not entirely technical, mostly just support reasons.. [17:12] slacwkare is a hell of a lot less effort for us to support at work than deb/RPM based systems [17:12] Ya i would think they just don't support it because they fear it's more difficult than their current solution. [17:12] fred++ [17:12] They support the corporate distros (RHEL and SLED) for economic and custom support reasons. Can't blame them. [17:12] fred++ [17:12] But I know from running Zimbra on Fedora..its a nightmare. [17:12] Action: Dominian has a different reason for disliking CentOS though than most [17:12] Action: fred makes the .tgz, .deb, and .rpm packages; if you have even one out-of-distro dependency, it's hell [17:13] It's much much much much easier to run it on RHEL [17:13] especially if it's unusual [17:13] well, non-trivial [17:13] I got REALLY sick of having to upgrade a WHOLE OS just to get a more recent version of some package [17:13] Nick change: toastyto1st -> toastytoast [17:13] I love Slackware and Slackware loves me :D [17:13] The only complaint I have of my Slackware systems is that I can't seem to boot 2.6.29 [17:13] Zordrak: hehe.. you mean something like: apt-get upgrade irssi [17:13] thank "Bob" i dont have to support linux at my office heh [17:13] then suddenly you have to upgrade... PHP [17:13] apt-get install slackware? [17:14] Linux ok 2.6.29.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue May 26 03:48:53 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [17:14] Dominian: I specifically had python>v2.3 on FC3 in mind [17:14] works fine here [17:14] I suppose I'm the only one who has tried to run 2.6.29 on 12.1 before o.O [17:14] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: ":wq" [17:14] Dominian: I manually upgraded it.. and it trashed the dependency tree and now the whole system is b0rked and yum wont even run [17:14] straterra: your udev is not compatible, then [17:14] Dominian: which actually I consider a good thing :D [17:14] heh [17:14] volkerdi: thats what it is? [17:14] Most likely [17:14] probably [17:15] The whole machine hardlocks when it gets to the stage of populating the random seed [17:15] yes you need some more udev, klick some buttons or something heh [17:15] :P [17:15] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [17:15] "need more entropy... move your mouse" [17:15] well, good night everyone :) [17:15] straterra: you tried commenting out that bit in rc.S just to see what else happens? [17:16] If only I could turn it up to 11.. :P [17:16] Action: Camarade_Tux dreams of the new xorg [17:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:16] Not that big of an issue..I'll just move to 2.6.25 [17:16] no brokee no fixee [17:16] I just need .25 or newer [17:17] I just need 2.6.25 for somewhat sane ipv6 netfilter support [17:17] X doesn't half take a long time to upgrade :( [17:18] hrm [17:18] grsecurity just yelled atm.e.. [17:18] Dominian: yell back? :P [17:19] firebird619: heh [17:19] just edit the policy and fix it [17:19] that works too. ;) [17:19] echo 1 > /proc/grsec/yell [17:19] Action: Zordrak just had another McFantastico idea community-wise [17:19] Hey tewmten, how's it going? [17:19] that doesnt involve such bizarre wording :) [17:19] if you type really hard while editing the policy, that might count as yelling? [17:19] or something, i dunno, klick some buttons [17:19] hi firebird619, im fine, you? [17:19] Urchlay: nah, just use all caps. :P [17:20] tewmten: doing excellent, thank you. [17:20] We could seriously do with a "We Use Slack" page for real organisations [17:20] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.184) left irc: "Leaving." [17:20] I have NO IDEA what companies anywhere near me have any slack in them [17:20] when i want a new job, if i wanna work on slack, i will get bugger all from the job listings just searching for slackware [17:21] at my last job interview they asked with my first distro was, i said slackware and the R&D manager replied "ooh, hardcore!" [17:21] but I would happily advertise that im migrating my entire company to slack as fast as i can [17:21] and when i need to hire.. i want people who want slack [17:21] if it's like the last job I had where we used slack, the boss didn't even know (to him they were "Linux servers") [17:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:21] wb Camarade_Tux [17:22] Camarade_Tux: forget something? :P [17:22] I'm trying convince the boss to pay for RHEL [17:22] projects like RT for exxample have a wiki with an RTUsers page where there is a list of shitloads of people and organisations that use RT.. I treckon Slack would benefit from the same [17:22] oh, I forgot to complain about one thing : the "greenish" screen when ones changes the keyboard layout during install :P [17:22] straterra: no point.. CentOS === RHEL [17:22] you treckon so? yourself might be right :) [17:22] firebird619, tewmten, hehe :P [17:22] just free and diff logos [17:22] straterra: centos doesnt cut it for you? :) [17:22] Zordrak: with..no..support [17:22] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:22] straterra: who..needs..support [17:22] oki [17:22] tewmten: Eh..CENTOS isn't what we are looking for [17:22] Zordrak: Uhm..a corporation [17:22] I've seen a ton of job listings for Lockheed Martin that ask for Slackware knowledge. They want people with security clearance, too, so it's probably not unimportant work [17:22] That's the whole point [17:23] what for? [17:23] straterra: yeah support.. we got RHEL for our HA-MySQL cluster, mainly for the support.. [17:23] volkerdi: I will TOTALLY keep that in mind.. thanks [17:23] Zordrak: the management types think they need support, even if they don't really [17:23] So that I can CALL them instead of writing my own fixes and such [17:23] And Fedora is a PITA.. [17:23] i hear ya man [17:23] Action: Dominian has security clearance [17:23] but rhel is expensive tho isnt it? [17:23] Our SAN is running FC6 atm [17:23] their support isnt worth the toilet im sat on!! [17:24] beside the point [17:24] Only because of my military record though [17:24] I tried to yum install something..and there aren't like any living repos [17:24] as long as you got a good SLA [17:24] Ŗ99/y for desktop workstation [17:24] now that I raised that vital issue of the green screen, I think I can go back to bed (no, seriously, I thought something was broken ;) ) [17:24] Zordrak: Have you ever worked in a decent sized corporate environment? [17:24] Camarade_Tux: Good night. :) [17:24] i dont think straterra needs desktop support Zordrak ;) [17:25] Dominian: wait, I thought the #1 rule of security clearance was "You don't talk about security clearance"? [17:25] night firebird619, see you tomorrow/tonight ;) [17:25] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [17:25] komesti (n=komesti@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] straterra: yes [17:25] Urchlay: shit [17:25] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.190.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Then you shouldn't have any confusion as to why someone would want support [17:26] straterra: and calling rhel support was the last way id want to waste my time [17:26] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [17:26] its all about availability and security, which means, money [17:26] It's not all about that [17:26] its all about the benjamins baby [17:26] Action: christian is back [17:26] It's about execs [17:26] Well, Slackware definitely has "supported" releases in its favor... [17:26] there are updates going out for Slackware 8 still [17:26] Dominian++ [17:26] It's about the company willing to pay a small ammount of money for support [17:27] I disagree with the "I don't use slackware because I can't call someone else to fix it." what are you paid for, precious admin? [17:27] straterra: hardware support, yes [17:27] 8.0 is EOLed, but 8.1 gets updates [17:27] straterra: app support, yes [17:27] straterra: os support, heyl naow [17:27] here comes the thunderstorm, hope it isnt too rough a ride [17:27] thrice`: it may not be an option used often..but sometimes it may be more effective use of your time to use it [17:28] And the higher ups certainly like it [17:28] Why would anyone pay for support when they can choose from numerous *free* places offering it, especially when the vast majority of the Slackware team participates in those places? [17:28] if the os is broke, you broke it or youre using the wrong one [17:28] Pig_Pen has quit (ping timeout) ? [17:28] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] knock on wood [17:28] volkerdi: Well.. I should've said 8.x.. figured people would just "know" :P [17:28] Zordrak: I can think of an instance where neither is true [17:28] Such as, Yosemite + CentOS [17:28] straterra: the higer ups where i am like the fact that i dont bring them POs that my predecessors did [17:28] because i maintain it myself instead [17:29] and it keeps on working [17:29] Yosemite was expecting a certain version of a kernel API [17:29] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: No route to host [17:29] i rather not let our company's system be covered under support from a *free* place [17:29] the only shit that breaks is stuff i didnt put in place [17:29] we got SLA's to keep.. [17:29] not ONE of the slack servers i installed has yet to have ANY problem whatsoever [17:29] perhaps they need a more qualified admin then ;> [17:29] i configure it to do a job and it does it [17:29] linuxquestions.org doesnt have an sla.. ;) [17:29] rworkman: 1. Lack of clue; 2. PHB's making technical decisions? [17:29] CentOS used a newer kernel..had to actually use an older one to even get it working again [17:29] tewmten: and if you have to break that SLA because your paid support doesn't get the problem solved fast enough, then what? [17:29] tewmten: If you have SLAs to keep you add more redundancy [17:30] Zordrak: How about an environment where you aren't the only admin? [17:30] then you make sure you have a well organised team [17:30] rworkman: then the paid support will have to cough up the fines [17:30] with a well developed hierarchical structure [17:31] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "caindo fora!!!" [17:31] if it REALLY matters, you have two completely independant backups [17:31] rworkman: because the paid support is (should be) under a SLA that will not break your SLA [17:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:31] then you fix the broke one at your leisure [17:31] etc etc [17:31] its all business [17:31] sounds like a waste of money [17:31] Backup != meeting SLA requirements [17:31] and get someone ready to add a fourth backup in case something goes titsup while your working on number 1 [17:32] straterra: by backup i mean failover [17:32] Ok..and what if its an issue with say..your storage backend [17:32] with *properly* implemented failover.. nothing but a nuclear winter will drop myou under five nines [17:33] then you need to be talking to the backend vendor [17:33] not your OS vendor [17:33] Really now? I have a feeling that you don't have two seperate server rooms [17:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74192.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] And even if you did..what if you lost the building? [17:33] straterra: no i have three [17:33] off-site redundancy [17:33] Ok..tornado comes..the building is gone [17:33] rsFF (n=rsFF@81.193.23.28) joined ##slackware. [17:34] not something that matters to my current company.. but if it did, thats what we'd have [17:34] i am powering this PC down, i fear a power outage, dont want a hard shutdown on this one [17:34] we already have a colo [17:34] Which means you have to have a pipe large enough to replicate it all [17:34] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:34] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A74192.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Not everyone has that large of a pipe [17:34] hey now, im on standby duty here, dont talk about these massive failures, i get paranoid [17:34] :) [17:34] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] we dont even do replication and are on a 100Mbit laser WAN connection [17:34] it aint hard [17:34] greetings people [17:34] ... [17:34] straterra: [in bed] [17:34] if it REALLY matters.. you put the infrastructure in place to maintain it [17:35] You are totally missing the point [17:35] I was about to say the "in bed" part too [17:35] y0 slackytude2 [17:35] Exec's like support [17:35] safekali (i=safekali@78.130.68.138.rev.optimus.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:35] It makes them all warm inside [17:35] volkerdi, O_o [17:35] Exec's don't mind paying a small bit of cash for it [17:35] not at all.. like i said.. App support YES, Hardware support YES... OS Support-- FSCK no! [17:35] hmpf [17:35] support in all areas [17:35] what about execs that have admins come up and say "I'm smart enough to actually do my job, you can stop spending on support." ? [17:36] all i can say is my FD likes that i dont throw money away when it's not necessary.. thats where heb gets his warm fuzzy feeling [17:36] Hey volkerdi [17:36] im kinda happy that we spend 20 000 euro per month for full 24/7/365 support of our production DC.. [17:36] They may still say "I belive you..but we want to still pay for it" [17:36] not only execs like support ;) [17:36] believe^ [17:37] straterra: dude.. you need new employers [17:37] If you want to find me some, go for it [17:37] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74192.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:37] oh PLEAASE cant we spend some more money..... O_o [17:38] shiiit people, when customers are mainly banks and goverment branches, sorry but.. long haired freaky people need not apply, gimme that enterprise stuff [17:38] ;) [17:38] it's quite silly, not working in IT [17:38] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [17:38] if I went up to my boss and said he'd have to pay for some form of consulting, becuase I can't do my full job and would require additional "support," i'd be fired [17:38] thrice`: +++ [17:38] really? [17:38] It's not like IT personel say it like that [17:39] It's more like "We want a product that has support" [17:39] who cares, though [17:39] Higher ups o.O [17:39] http://www.thebunker.net/data-centre-services/data-centre-facilities/ [17:39] heh, today we shipped our software in 64bit version. and exactly the first person to get it was having issue. that was when I found out we have no 64bit machines whatsoever. [17:39] wouldnt your boss see it as a good thing you tell him you cant do it instead of screwing up a project and losing the comapy alot of money? ;) [17:40] o.O [17:40] slackytude: epic fail! [17:40] I couldnt belive it [17:40] wrote an email to the boss right away [17:40] tewmten: no, he'd say "fine, I'll hire someone who CAN do it" [17:40] slackytude: slackware64 on VirtualBox for you! [17:40] Zordrak, thats why I was asking for 64bit VM [17:40] ah [17:40] heh [17:41] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:41] well, good thing they cant fire me that easily then [17:41] i'd have to break the law somehow at the office before they could fire me without getting fined [17:41] and I'd hate going to work everyday if I was some paid, glorified middle-man between "paid support" and my boss [17:42] tewmten: i like that my job secuerity is in that they cant livew without me.. not that they cant fire me without being fined [17:42] The last place I worked at, I was network support and there was another guy who managed the Exchange email server. The owner kept asking why the email server was so flaky, slow, whatever. I always suggested outsourcing the email server and they never did it. Finally, I left that place and turns out they have finally listened to that advice a year later. [17:42] Zordrak: i have both ;) [17:43] the owner never suggested firing or getting rid of us though. [17:43] Zordrak: the ultimate combo! heh [17:43] onefriedrice (n=chaz@97-117-118-67.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] he was interested in getting that specific server the hell out of in-house only because he was one of these execs who at least understood the risk of that particular server. [17:44] all any company needs is a CIO/CTO that can admin a slackware box [17:44] MrGeneral (n=MrGenera@bl9-125-103.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:44] ... [17:44] thankfully thats ME in this case.. just wish i had CIO title and money [17:44] CIO's should NOT do technical work [17:44] EVER [17:44] i just get the responsibility [17:44] EVER [17:44] straterra: i think this is a moot point in this chanel to be honest, heh [17:44] *can* [17:44] No [17:44] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [17:44] I'd rather the CIO not know how to do anything technically [17:44] if the CIO doesnt understand the technnology he shouldnt be managing it [17:44] His place is to be the bridge to management and to make decisions [17:45] I didn't say that [17:45] I said he shouldn't know how to do anything technically [17:45] He doesn't need to know how to update a server..or anything [17:45] understanding the technology and be able to actually do the work are two different things though [17:45] He needs to know the concepts [17:45] but he should have tech knowledge, makes so much better working under that person [17:45] the CIO should be the highest paid person around because hes the man who mastered the technical AND the managerial and can therefore bridge the gap [17:45] not just a pointy haired management type who knows how not to piss off geeks [17:46] And guess what..most CIO's haven't touched anything technical in a while if they are in that position [17:46] That's the point..they don't need to [17:46] and that is usually why they took that position in the first place too [17:46] Their job is a leader [17:46] It's about background [17:46] not recent experience [17:46] what? o_O [17:47] A person who thinks they know what they are doing when they don't in a corporate environment is scary. [17:47] Very scary [17:47] straterra: you'd make a great CIO [17:47] straterra: you just described EVERY manager ive ever met!! [17:47] yeah it has happened too often in my place [17:47] If my CIO came up to me asking about how to add a node in to a DRBD cluster..I'd ask him why [17:47] and do it myself [17:48] its up to you to do it.. its up to him to know it needs doing [17:48] volkerdi: I know how to do many, many things technically. [17:48] i have revoked alot of user access for our CTO, just so he wont touch too much :P [17:48] "go manage me a beer instead of trying to do my job!" [17:49] Exactly. [17:49] tewmten: You just hit on a major problem [17:49] Zordrak: the beer isnt cold enough? [17:49] tewmten: a good CIO should not be restricted he should know what not to be doing [17:49] tewmten: a good programmer should not be restricted he should know what not to be doing [17:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [17:49] tewmten: a good sysadmin should not be restricted he should know what not to be doing [17:49] etc etc [17:49] A good lemon ... [17:49] I prefer restricting [17:49] me too [17:50] which is why you run rhel [17:50] There is a reason the CIO doesn't have a login to anything on the backend [17:50] I don't run RHEL..I wish we did. [17:50] im like hitler and i have root.. [17:50] hrhr [17:50] rworkman: All seems well here. At the very least, X still respects my old Xorg.conf's keyboard settings. [17:50] Godwins Law invoked. tewmten looses [17:50] slackytude: +++ [17:50] i didnt know i could godwin myself?! [17:51] It's time to go home [17:51] slackytude: http://www.loseloose.com [17:51] well my joint is finished, im going to bed [17:51] this cluster doens't need me around to replicate [17:51] have fun guys [17:51] I once had a manager who really didn't know what he was doing, but he thought that he did. He added extra keyboards and mice to all the programmer's workstations. [17:51] doesn't^ [17:51] night tewmten [17:51] Zordrak, bah [17:51] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.190.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:51] The guy would come up behind you, watch for a while, and then start editing your code without warning [17:51] volkerdi: our old DBA put gloves on whenever using anyone else's computer [17:51] good night :D [17:52] straterra: probably not a bad idea [17:52] And used Access for everything..and ran the email off of a version of lotus notes from literally 1998 [17:52] straterra: That has nothing to do with not knowing what to do. That is being paranoid about swine flu (or similar) [17:52] DBA guys are weird [17:52] volkerdi: in self-defense, did you remap the extra keyboard to dvorak? [17:52] Action: cmk_zzz is a DBA guy [17:52] Urchlay: hay! I use dvorak for IRC :) [17:52] IMAP was so broken you couldn't even transfer more than a few hundred megs before it died [17:53] cmk_zzz, well [17:53] cmk_zzz, you weird? [17:53] Urchlay: that might have helped, in retrospect :-) [17:53] oh yes [17:53] see [17:53] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-76-179-206-255.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:53] volkerdi: did you ever have a manager literally sell the chair out from under you? [17:53] slackytude: I never disagreed with your sentiment [17:54] Urchlay: Sure. Sold the whole company out from under everyone. [17:54] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] The chairs actually ended up in the dumpster out back [17:55] Was that Wind River's BSDi acquisition? :) [17:55] volkerdi: did you walk out with as much copper wire as you could fit in your sleeves? [17:55] no comment [17:55] haha [17:55] eh, no, I mean just the chairs we were sitting in... they were kinda nice (not aeron chairs, but semi-expensive) [17:55] Urchlay, lol, seriously? [17:55] aeron are overrated [17:55] that must be a bad sign [17:55] there i said it :) [17:55] time to write your CV [17:55] slackytude: yep. Everyone but me was at lunch, when they came back they're like "WTF?" [17:56] volkerdi, for when a user@slackware.com email , for all slackware lovers ? :^) [17:56] cathectic: outstanding; thanks [17:56] user@slackware for people who subscripe, heh [17:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:56] fair enough [17:56] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:56] Urchlay, did the company live on after that? [17:56] volkerdi, are you building packages with -fstack-protector-all option? [17:56] Bop__, my guess would be "about when hell freezes over" :) [17:57] slackytude: surprisingly, it lasted another 2 years [17:57] rob0: even later than that is my guess. [17:57] rob0: I didnt actually understand his quesiton [17:57] Urchlay, that is suprising. did they start to ration toilet paper as well? [17:57] rob0, pitty then [17:57] Bop__: that's gotta be one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. [17:58] WTF? did EVERYONE else understand what he asked? [17:58] Zordrak: agree completely about aeron chairs. they're not all that great, and no way are they worth $1000 or whatever they sell for now [17:58] Urchlay: and they break pretty easy for something that expensive! [17:58] juice: no [17:58] any particular benefit for not doing it? [17:59] juice: Yeah, you avoid the problems caused by it. [17:59] fair enough [17:59] animaDT (n=rbarton@rrcs-24-242-177-195.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:59] rworkman, well , i guess if u have some kind of access to a high bandiwith network , one mail server wont hurt ... u could even sell e-mail account plus original DVD's as some package [17:59] I figure if the option were recommended for general use, gcc would make it default. [17:59] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.138.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:00] Bop__: mail accounts === abused mail accounts [18:00] BlackGoat (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] abused ? [18:00] Bop__: it's a waste of a domain [18:00] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [18:00] slackytude: they managed to sucker in^W^Wcatch the interest of another set of venture capitalists, got enough $$$ they could have bought us new chairs (but didn't. I ended up with a wire rack for a desk, and a barstool for a chair) [18:00] Bop__: How about talk to your bank about giving all customers a @yourbank.com account? See how that flies. [18:00] Urchlay, lol [18:00] Well, @slackware.com is a favorite joejob domain already judging by the backsplatter... [18:00] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009045245.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:01] Bop__: More importantly, if you don't understand why that's a horrible idea, then I guess a discussion is pointless. [18:01] you mean you're NOT trying to sell viagra? [18:01] Action: rob0 is disappointed [18:01] robo0: Well, /I/ am. [18:01] rob0: no prescription needed [18:01] rworkman, if it is a economical good ideia , is has to work somehow , techically [18:01] Wow, the man himself. Hi volkerdi! [18:02] BlackGoat: heh. ola! [18:02] rworkman: But what not a better way to receive those emails from those Guys stuck in the UK with all that money that they will give me half if i offer to fly them here for 20k$? [18:02] Bop__: bottom line is it's a bad idea and a waste of a trusted domain [18:02] ;) [18:02] Bop__: mail from bop@slackware.com: "Hi, serious security bug - upgrade to hte attached package" [18:03] I'll say no more on the subject. It's a STUPID idea. Period. [18:03] Action: Zordrak wonders if he can get a @number10.gov.uk because he's a UK citizen.... [18:03] ^ my last [18:03] Action: Urchlay wants deathstar.mil and dagobah.edu [18:03] I don't think it's stupid for people to think it would be neat to have a mail account @slackware.com. [18:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [18:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:04] Not at all. It *is* neat. :) [18:04] It might be silly for us to start handing them out to everyone, though... [18:04] :) [18:04] volkerdi: wanting it isnt stupid.. but i think giving it to them might bne [18:04] just toss some slackware nerds in a big metal cage and offer a slackware email account as price for the last man standing [18:04] great entertainment [18:04] indeed [18:04] what kind of weapons do we get to use? :) [18:05] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*n=uzr@*.nc.res.rr.com expired. [18:05] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=uzr@*.nc.res.rr.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:05] Action: rworkman reminds everyone that he's a gun nut. [18:05] Ohh Ohh Cage fight!! [18:05] two go in, only one comes out [18:05] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-29.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:05] I want to be on Urchlay's team in that. [18:05] good evening! [18:05] The two of us could look pretty scary. [18:05] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [18:05] christian: it's morning somewhere, you insensitive clod! [18:05] That's what crossed my mind when I saw that linux.com was handing out email addresses for $99/year. I'd rather have a slackware.com email, but your reasoning is sound. [18:06] hr. rworkman, you have guns... but I thought you already had a @slackware email, no need to shoot us [18:06] Action: cmk_zzz is offended. It is 8 hours till evening [18:06] I have enough email address let alone paying 99/year for one [18:06] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] rworkman: I'm a bit tired, i forgot the different times in the world ;-) [18:06] s/address/addresses [18:06] Urchlay: true :) [18:06] bleah, I once made the mistake of setting up a catch-all *@mydomain address [18:06] I think using gun kind of ruins the event [18:07] s/gun/guns [18:07] I'll just shoot the survivor; that way we still don't have a problem. [18:07] heh [18:07] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Heh, never been fired only dropped once. [18:07] Urchlay: I did that too! @slackware.com ended up sold to spammers as "verified delivery emails" [18:07] rworkman: are you sure you're not my old boss? Rewarding the winner by shooting him sounds like his idea of "motivation" [18:07] TBH I wouldnt want a slackware.com adress for one reason alone... all the greylisting, RBLs and beysian filters in the world woiuldnt stop you getting more junk than you real mail (unless you were wlel known and got a LOT of real mail :) ) [18:07] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] Urchlay: haha [18:08] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] well, I shall be happy with my slackware t-shit when it arrives [18:08] hehehe [18:08] slackytude: oops. [18:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] volkerdi: I finally rmemebered what I wanted to ask you... [18:08] Action: volkerdi checks if the store has a new product [18:08] rworkman, oops? [18:08] t-shit [18:09] O_o [18:09] damn! [18:09] Action: BlackGoat golf claps [18:09] volkerdi: do you use sendmail when you need a mailserver.. or is it just a kinda legacy decision to keep it the default and stop war? [18:09] I think that's the one Slackware product I actually don't want [18:09] lol [18:09] slakmagik: it's lemony. [18:09] I do use sendmail, yes. [18:09] volkerdi: kkv .. thats all i wanted to know :) [18:09] Zordrak: yes, he's insane. [18:10] Any man who enjoys lemons usually is... [18:10] Hey, I spent all that time learning to read m4 :-) [18:10] As long as I don't have to maintain it, I don't care. :) [18:10] Action: agentc0re|work hands the eel cannon over to volkerdi! [18:10] rworkman, thats sounds like me and exchange [18:10] Fire at will SIR! [18:10] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] ;) [18:10] agentc0re|work: Fire at Will? But sir, he's still on the bridge! [18:11] its kinda nice that its just *there* for sending mail out from the server.. but any time i go near a reception server job one is removepkg sendmail, job 2 is sbopkg -i postfix [18:11] danger will [18:11] Who's Will, and what did he do to deserve that? [18:11] Urchlay: PENALTY [18:11] LOL [18:11] Zordrak: Yeah, postfix is the other mailserver I like [18:11] volkerdi: you just made my day :) It's not just me [18:11] volkerdi: i spend too long defending postfix against exim and qmail users [18:12] that's OK, I have my own personal penalty box, it has a wet bar and hot tub... [18:12] Action: alienBOB uses sendmail on all servers he manages / has managed (except at Greenpeace where postfix was required) [18:12] i found pre orders for slackware 13.0 in the slackware shop, will slackware64 be shipped too? [18:12] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:12] I will buy a copy of Slack64, no questions asked. [18:12] christian: The Slackware DVD is going to be double-sided. 32-bit on one side, 64-bit on the other. [18:12] christian, not, that one will be beamed over by scotty himself [18:12] ahah [18:12] Ooh. That's a bargain. [18:13] I though you were gonna use the XZ size drop to shove it all on one side [18:13] and shove the sources on an other [18:13] *another [18:13] Zordrak: Well, we could use a single sided double layer disc to have it all on one side. [18:13] volkerdi: hm, does that mean two copies of sources/? [18:14] Urchlay: Probably. The space is there for it. [18:14] (assuming the sources are the same, or mostly the same...) [18:14] I talked to my friends at FreeBSD, and the two sided disc is how they did it. [18:14] Seems like a good plan for this release. [18:14] *nod* [18:14] would rather a 2-sided disc than a double-layer anyway [18:14] akath0r (n=root@87-196-210-71.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:15] (that sentence should have a verb somewhere, but never mind...) [18:15] Urchlay: Some drives don't like 2 layer discs much... [18:15] Urchlay: Not ncessarily... just consider it a Britishism. [18:15] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [18:15] my old dvd drive doesn't like dual-layer dvds [18:15] I still want to know what happened to my old drive. It went from being a DVD drive to a DVD shredder [18:15] my new one can use them [18:15] Urchlay, I accidentally the whole thing [18:16] volkerdi: oo.. another thing thats been plaguing me... im not going to ask about a release date.. it's not for me to know... but ive been speculating that you might be looking for a particular version of KDE at your choosing to tie 13 against.. am i way off base or is that right? [18:16] any disk I put in it, would come out with circular grooves gouged into the surface [18:16] Zordrak: We were waiting for 4.2.4 [18:16] What do I win?!? [18:16] You win free software! [18:16] Congrats! [18:16] lol [18:16] lol [18:16] Zordrak: the pleasure of knowing you were right? :P [18:17] you can have a slackware t-shit, too [18:17] :O, nice. [18:17] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-29.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:17] s/t-shit/t-shirt. ;) [18:17] firebird619: that'll do [18:17] slackytude: Can you plz explain process for creating t-shits? [18:17] firebird619: I think slackytude typed what he meant to type there [18:17] I suppose two Slackware developers are needed to put each t-shit together [18:17] I initially said 4.3 but as soon as i realised there was gonna be a 4.2.4 thats where i put my stake in the ground [18:17] Urchlay, aye [18:17] Urchlay: possibly. [18:18] eviljames, I could but I would need to kill you afterwards -_- [18:18] Ahh, once again, the community comes up with a problem and volkerdi solves it. [18:18] eviljames: actually you would want to kill yourself afterwards [18:18] lol [18:18] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] A t-shirt with Tux the penguin and droppings trailing behind.... [18:19] volkerdi: speaking of emails... do you recall getting one about libcap headers being b0rked, a while back? [18:20] Urchlay: yes [18:20] Did I forget changelog credit again? :-) [18:20] I dunno, was there a change made? I didn't get the memo :) [18:20] I think I lost the memo. [18:20] lol [18:21] l/libcap-2.16-i486-2.tgz: Patched broken header. [18:21] l/libcap-2.16-i486-2.tgz: Patched broken header. [18:21] heh [18:21] haha [18:21] gmta [18:21] JINX [18:21] Action: Zordrak says rworkman [18:21] volkerdi for president [18:21] l/libcap-2.16-i486-2.tgz: Patched broken header. Thanks to Urchlay. [18:21] thumbs: +1 :) [18:21] l/libcap-2.16-i486-2.tgz: Patched broken header. Thanks to B. Watson. [18:21] wait, he already it. [18:21] s/it/is/ [18:21] bijit_ (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [18:22] ah, I was looking at the slackware64 changelog [18:22] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:22] will linux 2.6.30 reach slackware 13.0? [18:22] In pages? [18:22] It's pretty long, so who knows. ;-) [18:22] Action: christian wants to see tux while booting slackware [18:22] christian: i would doubt it [18:23] but thats a good reason [18:23] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] tuz was cool for about a week.. but i want tux back too [18:23] Zordrak: why sendmail instead of qmail? [18:23] next time I compile new kernel, I will use "Bob" for the logo [18:23] bijit_: wtf? [18:24] bijit_: even half an hour late.. that question is half of one and half of another [18:24] Zordrak: I am a newbie when coming to MTA.. [18:24] then you dont want to start a conversation with me about it [18:24] all youll get nfrom me is postfix is my choice [18:24] +1 for postfix [18:25] Zordrak: Ok [18:25] wait a sec. libcap-2.16-i486-2.tgz is from April 13, yah? [18:25] Everytime we jump a semi-major kernel version (like 2.6.28.x -> 2.6.29.x) we run into weird issues. Probably it would be better to stick with 2.6.29.x for this release since it's a known commodity. [18:25] my problem was I couldn't compile anything libcap-related with the april 13 patch applied, had to back it out [18:25] hmm. 3.5TB of data, 12GB fetched, so much more to restore... [18:25] The ChangeLog for Linux 2.6.30 is 203118 lines long. [18:25] Postfix has good docs, is reasonably easy to configure if you understand how mail works, and the developer has a good reputation for knowing wtf he was doing. [18:26] oh hai. for a second i thought i was elsewhere :) [18:26] 203118, thats very long [18:26] ananke: #kernel? [18:26] thumbs : nope [18:26] volkerdi: hows about rebranding .29 with bob? :) [18:26] gets my vote [18:27] Action: volkerdi is sticking with the vanilla kernel [18:27] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Connection timed out [18:27] volkerdi: bien sur :) [18:27] from the article abotu 2.6..30 Im reading right now: [18:27] As several critical areas were restructured, however, it is advisable to wait a while and see how the new kernel is doing in the field before switching to the new version. [18:27] rworkman: thanks for the info [18:27] I like the new BDSM tux ;-) [18:27] O_o [18:27] there is a BDSM tux? [18:28] snL40 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Action: BlackGoat perks up [18:28] slackytude: since 2.6.29 [18:28] slackytude, Tuz. [18:28] i need to try 2.6.30 I am far behind in kernels I have actually been using the default slack kernels rather than updating from source :P [18:28] slackytude: I think the one that appears on current [18:28] slackytude: and you know what how are they suppose to know how it will do in the field without testing it :0 [18:28] ah, tuz [18:28] Action: christian asks that question too [18:28] kitche, let the gentooes test it [18:28] i think I am going to install my 8600 gts [18:28] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: "Leaving" [18:28] people i need firefox 3.0.10, i have download it, and i dont know whats next thing to do for upgrading [18:28] before I the warranty runs out and I don't know if it works [18:28] heh [18:28] pupit: errr.. just install it from patches? [18:29] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [18:29] pupit: did you grab source or binaries? [18:29] err I need to invest in a new keyboard [18:29] uhm its a tar.bz2 file [18:29] juice: What'd you get? [18:29] >.< [18:29] i just got a cheap evga 8600gts [18:29] <[OpenSys]> juice, i tested 2.6.29.4 works good [18:29] pupit: what's the full file name? [18:29] pupit: the question still stands :) [18:29] volkerdi: evening. :) [18:30] had it since december [18:30] BP{k}: guten tag [18:30] volkerdi: its a firefox-3.0.10.tar.bz2 [18:30] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-215-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] juice: Sorry, read it wrong. I thought you said you got a new keyboard already. ;) [18:30] and still haven't installed because I have to move this hardware to another box [18:30] pupit, get the install package from the a slackware-12.2 mirror in the patches directory [18:30] its a binary [18:30] no need that :) [18:30] this keyboard is ancient [18:30] Ah, I guess those names are the name. :-) [18:30] micro innovations [18:31] KB400i [18:31] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:31] volkerdi: are U the creator of slack? [18:31] lol [18:31] <[OpenSys]> lol lol [18:31] :) [18:31] haha [18:31] pupit: wget ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/mozilla-firefox-3.0.10-i686-1.tgz [18:31] noobfarm [18:31] pupit: Probably the easiest thing would just be to grab the mozilla-firefox Slackware package from like Slackware 12.2's /patches. It's the same binaries, but you can just use installpkg on it. [18:31] pupit: installpkg !$ [18:31] pupit: and yes [18:31] noobfarm lol [18:31] pupit: you must not come around very often of coruse though volkerdi doesn't pop in a lot but has been lately :) [18:32] Nobody say Slackware lacks support [18:32] :) [18:32] and lives [18:32] :p [18:32] hey, its afirst time i speak to U guru :) [18:32] Slackware lacks support :) [18:32] dammit! [18:32] its not me to blame.. [18:32] sajes, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00000JBYW/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics [18:32] actually I like the .txz change [18:33] juice: I never understood why they called them 'windows 98' keyboards. [18:33] I can still barely believe we changed the package format. [18:33] volkerdi: Do me a huge personal favour and out-live me :) [18:33] the txz change is good unles you are building a very large package that already has pre-compressed information [18:33] cause there from 1998 [18:33] lol [18:33] s/there/they're [18:34] juice: Yeah, but keyboards are generally operating system independent. [18:34] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:34] generally yes [18:34] rworkman: how are u, i see everybody is in good mood [18:34] lol.. all the newer cherries we got shipped say Vista Compatible... they're standard 105-key PS2s!! [18:34] are we close to 13.0 yet? [18:34] Action: kitche goes back to go poke some tukbuilds [18:34] lostnhell: close [18:34] What about the Optimus Maximus keyboard? [18:35] volkerdi: want! [18:35] no wonder I am still using this crappy thing [18:35] Micro Innovations keyboards are built to last a lifetime [18:35] pupit: hungry :) [18:35] I think I'd rather have that laser bluetooth keyboard. [18:35] ohh a what was it a $300 dollar keyboard or is that the $1,000 dollar one [18:35] Action: Zordrak does like his clicky dell keyboards that weigh more than his monitor [18:35] I laughed my ass off at that story with the guy munching a giant cheeto over his friend's Optimus Maximus keyboard :-) [18:35] 300 or 1000 either way I'm not buying it [18:35] kitche: $1000, IIRC. [18:35] rworkman: well, u must be alive then ;) [18:36] volkerdi: The horrors. :( [18:36] You'd think it could handle it. [18:36] volkerdi, have you had a chance to checkout the SMART package manager yet? [18:36] http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/demo/ [18:36] Action: rworkman has. ugh. [18:36] lostnhell: um, yes [18:36] there everyone can have one now :P [18:36] lostnhell: it's available from SlackBuilds.org - no recompile of anything in Slackware is needed. [18:37] Any keyboard that can't take a direct hit from a pint of Guinness is no good here. [18:37] volkerdi: Model M forever! [18:37] volkerdi: dude... stop it.. your hurting me [18:37] Urchlay: I have one of those. [18:37] guinness ftw [18:37] volkerdi: I have about 100 of those :) [18:37] nice, you guys are right on top of it... I was going to say that I checked it out that day and it did not yet have txz support [18:37] Action: rworkman bets it has IBM on it somewhere. [18:38] volkerdi: I'm in complete agreement there. [18:38] although [18:38] lostnhell: it was a problem in the rpm package in Slackware (missing python bindings). alienBOB figured out where I screwed up on that and it's fixed now. [18:38] Except s/guiness/la fin du monde/ [18:38] s/guinness/guinness\&coffee/ [18:38] safekali (i=safekali@78.130.68.138.rev.optimus.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] Anyway, afk for food. Later [18:39] now I want to find additional potential issues to help prep for 13.0, but I have been unable to find any other issues [18:39] hello volkerdi :-) [18:39] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] my brain hurts.. at work this laptop is hooked up to dvorak for IRC all day.. at home my brain is having trouble.. its IRC.. must.. remember.. its.. qwerty [18:39] chess: sup foo [18:40] howdy Zordrak [18:40] im teaching my kids to be dvorak bilinual from day one.. that way they will never need to know the pain of learning late [18:40] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-80-49-150.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "rebooting and installing windoze xp to test something." [18:40] chess: howdy! [18:40] nice Xorg update! [18:41] bbl [18:41] chess: but... did you try it yet? ;-) [18:41] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: "hardware swapping" [18:41] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left ##slackware ("Have to go now"). [18:41] Action: pupit i thought maybe someone is using volkerdi nick for joke... had to be sure.. [18:41] chess: i havent really been paying attention.. what is so good about the newer xorg thats making everyone salivate? [18:42] Zordrak: There are a pile of big changes in xorg. [18:42] volkerdi: my updated iso is just finishing up now :-) [18:42] dang yeah linux 3.6.30 seems like it will be a big pile of brokeness [18:42] eviljames: me goes to find a changelog [18:42] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Action: chess loves Eric's script [18:42] chess: ++ [18:42] wb Pig_Pen [18:42] Zordrak: The main reason we went for it at this point is that Intel graphics chipsets are hitting the market that needed the new xf86-video-intel [18:42] kitche: You can tell that far into the future? :o [18:42] Zordrak: better support for intel and radeonhd [18:42] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-55-204.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:42] heh, what Pat said [18:43] sajes: yeah typo 2.6.30 :) [18:43] I thought I'd've noticed on the list if it happened or not yet, but Xi2 / MPX is finished or not? [18:43] thanks firebird619, knocked out the power for a while, good thing i shut down when it did, 5 minutes later it went dark [18:44] It was held back in testing until the new pixman came out 5 days ago. That fixed 99% of weird artifacts that we were seeing. [18:44] I'm still waiting for kernel modesetting to be perfected with the intel 945. :p [18:44] wow, rworkman put alot of work into the latest updates [18:44] <[OpenSys]> volkerdi, do you planning to add some script to manage a service like add or remove a service from system boot? actuality is need to put it in rc.local [18:44] do i have to worry for lost addons? [18:44] Pig_Pen: just in time then. I've had that happen before and it wiped the hdd clean. backups ftw!!!. [18:44] thanks rworkman ! [18:44] volkerdi: ok, at the risk of being annoying... l/libcap-2.16-i486-2.tgz is what actually causes the problem I was reporting... getting rid of the header patch fixes it [18:44] volkerdi: orite [18:44] I now have to wit for the mirror I use to update before I can get them [18:44] so many great things about 13.0 [18:44] [OpenSys]: Well, we do support using sysv init directories if you want to [18:44] volkerdi: tbh ive been standardising on nvidia because then i can just know it will work [18:44] pupit: Not unless you remove ~/.mozilla [18:45] Zordrak: the horror! [18:45] sajes: thanks ;) [18:45] Urchlay: That's really strange because I was running into problems compiling against libcap until the patch was added. [18:47] thanks volkerdi, Zordrak, firebird619, lostnhell, kitche [18:47] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] volkerdi: it's a puzzler... maybe something in the kernel includes changed since that patch got added to pcap? [18:48] pupit, it is good practice to apply the patches when they are released, since most are security updates [18:49] onefriedrice (n=chaz@97-117-118-67.slkc.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [18:49] JJJunkk_ (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:49] lostnhell: i know, but since now, i never got pointed to patches to look what is there and ff got so many crashes until now it get really annoying [18:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:50] That's quite the bunch of updates [18:50] Urchlay: I'm going to run a couple tests and I'll let you know soon. [18:50] volkerdi: the longer you stay, the more i keep suddenly thinking of random shit thats been buzzing round my head for ages.. is there any chance of moving /var/www to /srv/www before 13? Then symlinking the var to the srv the way srv has to var up to now? [18:50] pupit, you know, thats what slackpkg is for [18:50] Zordrak: probably not. [18:50] slackytude: i dont use it [18:50] volkerdi: ever intended, or you keeping it where it is for the forseeable? [18:50] guess i need to install it [18:50] pupit, and look what happened [18:51] pupit, O_o [18:51] i know i know [18:51] Zordrak: The symlink is enough to meet FHS standards. In general, we prefer not to move things around without justification. [18:51] pupit, its in slack [18:51] it is? [18:51] volkerdi: groovy [18:51] well, yeah [18:51] (try to imagine me saying that in a Bruce Campbell voice...) [18:51] understood.. just in most cases I deal with the only thing to live there is apache root and the apache default conf already moved to /srv [18:52] and now im also adding svn into srv to meet it [18:52] slackpkg [18:52] command not found [18:52] i've found it [18:52] well [18:52] Urchlay: Good news everyone! That's the voice I heard it in! [18:52] Give it back! [18:52] Urchlay: OK, here's what I know about libcap now. The patch was added because without it, libcap will not compile. [18:53] eviljames: I'm told I do a good impression of the Professor... [18:53] sorry for my stupidity, its not going to in a near future [18:53] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:53] end [18:53] Urchlay: Your foo.c won't compile against libcap in -current, but other things that use libcap such as coreutils do compile. [18:53] y0 compl3x, how's it going? [18:53] Zordrak That's funny about the /[var|srv]/www symlinking -- because I just resymlink the whole lot to /home/www anyway! {grin} [18:53] Sup firebird619 bit dizzy you [18:53] thanks slackytude for pointing me that out [18:54] volkerdi: as well as the earlier fawning gratitude.. id just like to say how nice it is to occasionally catch you in the street as it where and bounce off the questions that only you have the answer to.... overused a metaphor as it may be, it's like meeting up with god in the street and just asking him a couple of things about your life [18:54] compl3x: spin in your chair too much? I'm excellent, thanks. [18:54] rtcg: philistine! :) [18:54] firebird619: haha yeah you could say that [18:54] volkerdi: hm. VirtualBox won't compile, same errors as foo.c... there's gotta be more going on here than meets the eye [18:54] s/where/were/ [18:54] Urchlay: Another "Good news everyone!", Comedy Central has ordered 26 new episodes of Futurama. [18:54] firebird619: smoking the wrong substances one could say [18:54] :O [18:54] greetings compl3x [18:54] pupit, no sweat [18:55] suup slackytude [18:55] hi all [18:55] chance22: So good, eh?! [18:55] volkerdi: but.. without the patch, libcap itself compiled fine on my -current64 box (I haven't got a 32-bit -current handy) [18:55] Hey dive, how are you? [18:55] hi firebird619, not bad thanks. You? [18:55] Action: volkerdi tests again on x86_64 [18:55] rtcg: personally i dont like having anything in /home that doesnt belong to a Person user... i move ftp to /srv if i use it (which isnt often#) [18:55] Action: compl3x thinks we should turn firebird619 into a greeting bot :p [18:55] dive doing excellent, thank you. :) [18:55] y0 dive [18:55] slackytude: "slackpkg upgrade-all" would be my next step? [18:55] eviljames: I'm practically frothing at the mouth. [18:55] compl3x: haha [18:55] hi slackytude ;) [18:56] pupit, first you need to uncomment a mirror in the /etc/slackpkg.conf then slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all [18:56] compl3x: Why should I be a bot when I can be human and still greet people. You want me outta here and replace me with a bot version of me? :P [18:56] scubacuda__ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] dont forget slackpkg install-new (JUST in case ;) ) [18:56] slackytude: thanks [18:56] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:57] Zordrak: and I keep all server data out of /var and /usr. Interesting philosophies. Ok.. catch you later. [18:57] firebird619: how's it going? [18:57] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Should I hold out for 13 or implement this 12.2 on Friday?? hmm..."). [18:57] Hey BP{k}, going excellent, thank you. yourself? [18:57] Action: Zordrak votes hold [18:57] :) [18:57] slackuser123 (n=slackuse@d199-74-231-70.col.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] evening BP{k}, what's your poisn tonight? [18:58] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-758.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:58] hello [18:58] poison even [18:58] hello [18:58] firebird619: not too bad :-) just finished watching Jarhead with kethry. [18:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.2) left irc: [18:58] Urchlay: I think your libcap test-code is missing an include, that's why it fails [18:58] Theres something wrong with me im sure. I was watching a film earlier, and I paused it anout an hour ago cause i was busy in here.. and its still paused and im still in here [18:58] Zordrak: heh, I hear ya on that [18:58] lol [18:59] Urchlay: I haven't had problems with -current's libcap (up to now) [18:59] and its not like i wont be back at 9am tomorrow either [18:59] dive: just a good cuppa tea for now ;) [18:59] hi volkerdi :) [18:59] BP{k}: ++ [18:59] BP{k}, yeah same here tonight [18:59] pprkut: the man page for libcap just says to #include , maybe the bug is just bad docs? [18:59] driving to Wales in the morning and I could do without a hangover, if you see what I mean [18:59] Urchlay: I can look up vbox' test code, if you want [18:59] Action: volkerdi waits for fsck.ext3 [18:59] Why are you going to wales ]= [19:00] Day changed to 11 Jun 2009 [19:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:00] shit [19:00] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [19:00] compl3x, visit a friend for a few days [19:00] whoops [19:00] pprkut: that's where foo.c originally came from [19:00] my bad o/ [19:00] dive: are they welsh? [19:00] do some photography around the mountains I hope [19:00] Urchlay: ok, it has two headers now :) [19:00] dive: going after sheep? ;) [19:00] compl3x, my friend is english - he moved there some years back [19:00] BP{k}: I once met a person that you know - a sheep [19:01] Zordrak, I think you just changed your Day to 11 of June [19:01] volkerdi, why not to include nouveau driver? :( [19:01] those welsh sheep are very rugged [19:01] I prefer our soft sussex sheep [19:01] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:01] GArik: It's not really at a production state yet. [19:01] TECHNICALLY the universe kinda did iit for me [19:01] i just echoed it [19:01] He's the kind of man for the times that need the kind of man he is ... [19:01] volkerdi, it's better than nv [19:01] slackytude: The day is goign to change from June 10 to June 11 - Cancel or allow? [19:01] kerry hill sheep ftw :) [19:01] eviljames, Abort, Rety, Fail [19:02] eviljames, cancel [19:02] eviljames, lol [19:02] Action: compl3x is not please - due to the lack of information on wolfram alpha of the term "penis" [19:02] pprkut: the man page included with the libcap-2.16 source says the same thing, #include , no mention of a 2nd header [19:02] pleaded* [19:02] GArik: I'll add it if it shows in it ftp://ftp.x.org:/pub/individual/driver/ [19:02] fail ]= [19:02] 'error read UTC. Please press F1 for help.' [19:02] compl3x: you fail. [19:02] volkerdi, ok, thank you [19:02] compl3x: Why do you want the definition of a falicate? :o [19:02] s/in\ it/up\ in [19:02] [19:02] sajes: I have no idea [19:03] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.42.53) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:04] Urchlay: #include \n #include [19:04] Urchlay: there are three now, actually [19:04] Action: Zordrak bashes self on head.. get out.. go get runchy cut pornflakes and finish watching the damn film [19:04] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [19:04] pprkut: doesn't help (I'm using C, not C++, so not ) [19:04] ok, what's the 3rd one? [19:04] is anyone using htop 0,8.2 [19:04] Zordrak, pornflakes? [19:05] pornflakes?! [19:05] Zordrak, my favorite brand as well [19:05] question: is it possible to use slackware's make capabilities instead of gnu make? [19:05] slackytude: "Runchy Cut Pornflakes" [19:05] Urchlay: sys/types.h [19:05] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [19:05] slackuser123: what? [19:05] Action: kethry is NEVER going to be able to look at crunchy nut cornflakes in the supermarket without giggling again [19:05] pprkut: I'm pretty sure I tried it with sys/types.h as well, let me try again... [19:06] kethry: :) [19:06] kitche: I have it installed (obviously) [19:06] slackware gcc instead of gnu make [19:06] kethry, lol [19:06] slackytude: sorry for interrupting, there is a list asking me what to install: pkgtools, slackpkg, tar. should i install them? btw i followed your steps.. [19:06] pupit: install the whole lot [19:06] Action: pupit ok [19:06] pupit, it will ask you if its ok to update the items in the list. it usually is safe to do so [19:07] Those three should be upgraded first pupit [19:07] slackuser123: umm you mean you want to compile something by hand go ahead if you feel like it but make makes it easier [19:07] is there a seperate slackware compiler? [19:07] ohyeah.. needs a double run doesnt it [19:07] pupit, but you can deny it, if you want to keep a certain version of some app [19:07] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5583.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [19:07] ok, its already processing [19:07] pupit, and you didnt interrupt :) [19:07] pupit: once youve run it you have to run it again [19:07] slackuser123: no there is gnu gcc only on slackware by default [19:07] double run? [19:08] Action: christian is tired and is going to his bed [19:08] you have to upgrae those three before you can upgrade everything else [19:08] pprkut: yep, you're right, #include fixes it. So, the bug is in the man page (and in virtualbox's autoconf stuff, but that's off-topic here) [19:08] good bye [19:08] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [19:08] Zordrak: i have already done it [19:08] so they show up first, you upgrade them.. then you do the whole process again and therell be LOADS LOADS more the second time around [19:08] now it asks for: What do you want (K/O/R/P)? [19:08] ]P [19:09] ? [19:09] .. P [19:09] Urchlay: well, I have taken it from virtualbox.... [19:09] ok [19:09] pprkut: which vbox version? I think I was using 2.1.2 at the time [19:09] 2.2.2 [19:09] thanks people, i appreciate [19:09] np [19:09] Gnosologist (n=Gnosolog@unaffiliated/gnosologist) joined ##slackware. [19:09] scubacuda__ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:10] ah, the vbox devs fixed it in their sources I bet [19:10] when slackbot builds packages for slackware it seems to be using a different make system [19:10] slackbot? [19:10] Urchlay: Good to hear it's not a problem with the libcap package! Of course, every partition on my "quick reboot" is getting checked now. :-/ [19:10] huh? [19:10] umm volkerdi and other people build the packages :) [19:10] Ok, that's it.. I'm done. Runchy cut, film and bed... night all!! [19:10] nn Zordrak [19:10] Zordrak: seeya [19:10] night Zordrak [19:11] volkerdi: well, there sort-of is a problem with libcap: the man pages are wrong (they don't mention sys/types.h). But I dunno if that's a thing you'd want to patch, or just report upstream and wait [19:11] night Zordrak [19:11] yes "slackbot" it's on sourceforge [19:11] I must have Zordrak on ignore [19:11] slackbot has nothing to do with slackware [19:11] later Zordrak [19:11] slackbot builds slackware packages from source [19:11] what should i do with the ".new" files? [19:11] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Urchlay: Actually... the man page does mention sys/types.h [19:12] pupit: integrate them into your configuration [19:12] volkerdi: OK, now I'm starting to doubt my sanity [19:12] pupit, it depends if you have custom settings in the old files [19:12] slackuser123: yes and it has nothing to do with slackware officially [19:12] pupit, if you didnt edit the config files, its safe to use the new files instead [19:12] that is not my question [19:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] pupit, if you choose to keep them you can look at them to see which ones need merging etc [19:12] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "ęîãäā ˙ ķėåđ íåáûëî íčęîãî, ęōî áû ũōî îīđîâåđã" [19:12] well some of them i have, mostly not [19:12] pupit, if you did edit them, keep the old version and compare the diff between old and new and adapt to the changes [19:13] volkerdi: ah, it does, down lower in the page... but that implies "you only need types.h if you plan to use the following functions" [19:13] Gnosologist (n=Gnosolog@unaffiliated/gnosologist) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:13] so its safe to go with K-keep [19:13] I've got a script that does that, if you use vim, but doesn't slackpkg have some basic feature that does that? [19:13] yeah, that must be it [19:13] pupit, usually, yeah [19:13] thanks for ALL the help [19:13] slackuser123 (n=slackuse@d199-74-231-70.col.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:14] pupit, but look at them [19:14] volkerdi: whereas actually, you need it if you #include at all, whether you use those functions or not... am I making sense? [19:14] yes but you will need to look at those files still - some new packages have new options/vars and some may have old settings deprecated [19:14] Action: slakmagik never got around to trying slackpkg to stay updated [19:14] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:14] that was kinda evil when udev was upgraded [19:14] sure thing [19:14] i will look at them [19:14] Urchlay: Arnold's Laws of Documentation [19:14] wpa-supplicant for one [19:14] that has an old option taken out the config [19:15] dunno who Arnold is, but I bet the law is something like "take with a large grain of salt" :) [19:15] fortune -m "Arnold's Laws" [19:15] hmm slackuser123 did not understand what he was asking if he said that was not his question [19:15] ah, yeah, that applies here [19:16] lol [19:16] anyway I'll report the man page confusion to whoever maintains libcap, with any luck it'll save some other poor sod a couple of hours of head-scratching [19:18] Urchlay, that is Borrens Law Nr2 [19:18] (2) When in trouble, delegate. [19:18] Urchlay: Finally the machine gives a login... and yes, libcap does compile on x86_64 without the patch. Surprising. I'm curious if other things work on x86_64 without that patch now... [19:18] Action: slackytude likes the fortune -m switch [19:21] volkerdi: well my dumb little foo.c does... and virtualbox 2.1.2 compiles (which it doesn't, with the patch) [19:22] it really is amazing how much faster 64 bit at some things... like installing [19:24] chess: Yes. I tested today using bc to calculate pi to thousands of digits, just to see how a normal program that wasn't optimized for 64-bits would benchmark compared with 32-bits. [19:24] There was almost no difference at all. :-) [19:25] hehe [19:25] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [19:25] But I have noticed that a lot of things like filesystem I/O are noticably faster on Slackware64. [19:25] And SETI gives a much better benchmark [19:26] The I/O is probably what gives installing things a boost. [19:26] I'm starting to regret getting this atom n270. No 64bit support. [19:26] all I know is slackware64 unpacks the packages and installs lightning quick. I just finished a full install including kde in about 8 minutes [19:26] I like the Atom. It's keeping 32-bits alive. :-) [19:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) joined ##slackware. [19:27] I like the atom too, but only for it's low power usage. [19:27] Action: slackytude is waiting for 128 bits [19:27] slackytude: As long as they jump right to 128. [19:27] export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin [19:27] export PS1="\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]" [19:27] alias ls='ls --color' [19:27] Channel flood from rsFF -- kicking [19:27] fortune [19:27] rsFF kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [19:27] buhbye! [19:27] slackytude: Slackware96 again would lead to confusion [19:27] heh [19:27] rsFF (n=rsFF@81.193.23.28) joined ##slackware. [19:27] sorry guys [19:27] volkerdi, heh, true [19:27] :S [19:28] slackware96? [19:29] thumbs: it was an upgrade for people who needed "windows 95 or better" :) [19:29] wow, the image of that little animal displayed instead of tux during boot looks weird. blue background and low-res colors like. [19:29] We could skip all the way to Slackware 10000000 volkerdi - be ahead of all the other distros till the end of time [19:29] Action: GArik wants tux back [19:29] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:29] GArik, in 2.6.30 [19:30] still using 2.6.29 [19:30] alienBOB: Isn't Slackware 0100 0000 going to be good for as long as 640K was? [19:30] I still like the idea of "Slackware XIII" being on the DVD case somewhere [19:30] Oo pfew... keeping my system up to date on -current is like running after a train... [19:30] Urchlay: That might be less bad luck ;-) [19:30] I like the suggestion I made at LQ: Slackware 13.666 [19:31] chess, what for? [19:31] the version number [19:31] chess: honeypie@slackware.com is using a Core2Duo @ 3.33GHz. I'll have her work up some art for it. [19:31] volkerdi: hehe :-) [19:31] chess: used to know a girl who lived at "666 Moreland Avenue, Apartment 13"... no idea if she planned it that way or not, but damn she was creepy [19:31] nice [19:32] noose with 13 knots hanging from the front door creepy [19:32] Urchlay: I know someone who lives on Gallows Hill Road in Salem, Mass. [19:32] hehe [19:32] Salem [19:32] that rings a bell [19:32] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] I for one cannot wait to get my laptop back to use slack64 [19:33] volkerdi: "We have found a witch! May we burn her?" [19:33] The hill in her backyard has a water tower on it right where they had the hangings [19:33] ack [19:33] Oo [19:33] thumbs: You sent it in to get fixed? [19:33] firebird619: Monday. [19:33] if I lived there I'd put up a giant scale and keep ducks in the back yard [19:34] firebird619: I am hoping to get it back before my business trip on Friday [19:34] ahh, salem witch trials [19:34] thumbs: Hopefully this time around it won't have issues for a while. [19:34] Nice touch to have the water there. Makes the "float test" convenient. [19:34] BlackCoffee (n=BlackCof@pc-61-216-30-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] volkerdi: ah, new X is working great with my ati x1650! kde effects with no artifacts. [19:34] firebird619: I'm not holding my breath [19:34] Urchlay, how do you know shes a witch? [19:34] volkerdi: how's that go again? If she drowns, she wasn't a witch after all, and if she floats, we kill her? [19:34] Action: dive is thinking about Monty Python and the Holy Grail now :) [19:35] Urchlay, yeah [19:35] BURN HER! BURN HER!! [19:35] Urchlay: I think that's the usual test. [19:35] what a catch22 [19:35] BP{k}: BURN HER! BURN HER!! [19:35] Jeho... [19:35] what floats, apart from wood? 'very small stones. Ducks.' [19:35] akath0r (n=root@87-196-210-71.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:35] dive, shit [19:35] very small *rocks* :-) [19:35] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] did anybody ever stop to think, throwing an actual witch with whatever satan-derived powers into the pond, might just piss her off and make her kill them or turn them into toads or something? [19:35] She turned me into a Newt! [19:35] well, I got better [19:35] burn her anyway! [19:36] ok we did the nose [19:36] and the hat [19:36] but she is a witch! [19:36] BURN HER! BURN HER!! [19:36] get a rope [19:36] BURN ROB BURN ROB [19:36] ...what do you burn apart from witches? "More witches!" [19:36] lol [19:36] back in school we went to this medival town where they had this museum of torture tools and witch tests. getting throw into a pond was one of the nicer tests [19:37] it was usually done with a ducking stool [19:37] akath0r (n=root@87.196.20.71) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Is a cord of witches enough for a long Minnesota winter? [19:37] bleah. If those people really believed witches had all this evil power, they wouldn't have messed with them [19:37] a cord and a half will do [19:38] hey dtanner, how are you? [19:38] hey firebird619. doing good, yourself? [19:38] dtanner: doing excellent, thank you. [19:38] rob0: Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us :P [19:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:38] BP{k}: you had a tarp? you were lucky! [19:39] Urchlay, I think it was more a way of getting rid of people that the rest of the village didn't like [19:39] there were 18 of us living in a shoebox in the middle of the road [19:39] kethry, yeah, saw one of them. not nice [19:39] Urchlay: Cardboard box? [19:39] Aye [19:39] We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt [19:39] if we were lucky [19:40] great sketch ^-^ [19:40] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] you tell that to the young people today, and they won't believe you [19:40] I like Fawlty Towers as well [19:40] They wont! [19:40] slackytude: I recently saw all of Fawlty Tower for cheap on amazon. [19:40] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] excelblue (i=1000@unaffiliated/excelblue) joined ##slackware. [19:40] BP{k}, hrm [19:41] BP{k}, tempting [19:41] Where is door? Door is gone! [19:41] in slackware-current, are -i486 packages actually built on i686? [19:41] excelblue: yes [19:41] the only time I ever saw my grandma laugh at a "dirty" joke was the episode of fawlty towers where the sign says "farty towels" [19:41] lol [19:41] heh [19:41] volkerding: thanks, though why is it still named i486? [19:42] legacy reasons? [19:42] Dont mind him, he's from Barcelona [19:42] excelblue: they'll still work on i486 if they have that package arch [19:42] ah [19:42] excelblue: but they are compiled with -mtune=i686 [19:42] cool [19:42] i486 (80486) CPU instruction set [19:42] so I should expect the same performance from them as I should expect from an i686 distro? [19:43] actually, has anyone ever done any benchmarking to see whether -mtune=i686 makes any real-world difference? [19:43] right now, I'm playing with slackware64-current, but I'm running into a few compatibility issues that I can't deal with [19:43] excelblue: Pretty much. If it would make a serious difference we use i686 figuring such a package would be mostly useless on < i686 anyway [19:43] Action: volkerdi is listening [19:44] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) got netsplit. [19:44] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-131.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) got netsplit. [19:44] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) got netsplit. [19:44] rsFF (n=rsFF@81.193.23.28) got netsplit. [19:44] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) got netsplit. [19:44] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@173-86-46-72.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) got netsplit. [19:44] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) got netsplit. [19:44] ah [19:44] Action: slava_dp waves to volkerdi :) first time see you on irc. [19:44] ooooh, xephyr in -current. yay! :D [19:44] heh. I did a noarch slackbuild for the Atari 800XL system ROMs, I *really* wanted to make it ARCH=m6502 :) [19:44] At least use m65c02a [19:44] Hey slava_dp, how's it going? [19:45] One very stupid question: How can I use/install -current? [19:45] whats up with these mini netsplits lately [19:45] slackytude: what they happen every few mmonths [19:45] asarch, if you have to ask, its not for you [19:45] yeah, compatiability stuff - too much pain to deal with wine (for that occasion once/year windows app), virtualbox [19:45] volkerdi: nah, the 800XL ROMs would run on a plain old 6502, none of yer new-fangled extended instructions :) [19:45] I need a driver to use my brand new HP F4280 printer [19:45] Urchlay, 8 bit I take it? [19:45] asarch: read up guides on how to generate a slackware install CD, and hopefully, you'll see how [19:46] firebird619, fine, thank you [19:46] darnit, why do all these debian mirrors suck. i need one that's fast [19:46] excelblue: have you had a look at fred's -compat32 packages? [19:46] dive: oh yeah [19:46] asarch: you can just upgrade from a 12.2 install if you have that [19:46] Urchlay: My Apple //e Enhanced is way too bleeding edge ;-) [19:46] I have 12.2 [19:46] Urchlay: yeah, didn't like the solution - feels very kludgy [19:46] but didn't the 6502 come after the 6809 for some unfathomable reason? [19:46] kitche, never noticed before [19:46] "slackpkg upgrade-all" selection the -current mirror? [19:46] excelblue: Really, multilib _is_ kludgy [19:46] I seem to recall something like that [19:47] I still got an old Tandy + 6809 [19:47] s/selection/selecting/ [19:47] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5583.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] back in a few. dump kids > /dev/bed [19:47] dive: actually I don't remember. Thought the 6809 was later, but I might only think that because I only found out about it later [19:47] isn't the option to load psmouse with "imps" now obsolete, if hal handles this stuff ? [19:47] asarch: i think so. you also want a `slackpkg install-new` in there [19:47] my kids are grown and gone chess [19:47] 6809 came later, but iirc the 65x02 was after the 6809 [19:47] asarch: what version are you running right now? [19:48] 65_c_02 [19:48] 12.2 [19:48] thrice`: if you decide to use hal most likely yes [19:48] volkerdi, ah right [19:48] kitche: sure, which is the default ;) [19:48] dive: color computer? [19:48] there's a guy who upgraded one of those old Ataris to use a 65816 last year [19:48] yeah TRS80 coco with extended basic :) [19:49] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) returned to ##slackware. [19:49] rsFF (n=rsFF@81.193.23.28) returned to ##slackware. 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FIASCO [19:49] my conclusion is - sure, if 64bit does everything I need, I'll run it, but unfortunately, it doesn't quite :( [19:49] I imagine that to be hard to do, increasing clock sevenfold [19:50] dive: I have the Atari version of that plotter, and 2 sealed packs of the pens for it... but it has mechanical problems, if you try to print text on it, it looks like it actually has bad handwriting [19:50] My Apple //e is overclocked from 1Mhz to 10Mhz [19:50] and say, why is there a lib64 instead of lib32 for 32bit, lib for 64bit? [19:50] excelblue: that's the actual standard [19:50] volkerdi: you have the ethernet card for it too? [19:50] asarch: yeah, that should work fine then [19:50] Thank you very much amazon10x [19:51] how can you overclock so high without burning those CPUs up! :/ [19:51] Thank you [19:51] :-) [19:51] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-60-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Urchlay: I don't have that, but I have an Apple Super Serial card, and it's connected to a Linux box serving getty to it [19:51] asarch: you can follow the -current changelog at http://www.slackware.com/changelog/ to see when updates are out [19:51] NukeDukem: eh, for the one I'm talking about, you replace the CPU with one that's 10 years newer that actually supports the faster clock [19:51] ah, watercooled too? [19:52] Urchlay, ahh. I thought he did it in software only [19:52] volkerdi: I ought to see if my Atari IRC client will compile for Apple (it runs an actual TCP/IP stack on a 6502) [19:52] It's actually an old ZipChip. They bought later 6502s that were rated for 10MHz, and sold them with onboard clocks to stick into Apple ][s. [19:52] only supports SLIP unless/until I find an ethernet upgrade for the atari [19:53] i once had an AMD PC that was overclockable, it got kind of flakey if i overclocked it, so thats why i asked, i usually keep my PCs at stock clock speed or underclock just a notch [19:53] BlackCoffee (n=BlackCof@pc-61-216-30-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [19:53] slackytude: nah, the only way to overclock those old machines is to use a soldering iron (and use it a lot, to actually work it needs a lot of extra logic to make the CPU pause until the old slow memory is ready, etc etc) [19:54] overclockable from within the BIOS [19:54] Urchlay, that sounds like a huge time investment [19:54] I managed to get that dual Celeron Abit board to run two C300s at 508MHz. Mostly stable, even! [19:55] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-60-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:55] bp6 [19:55] that's the one [19:55] what a bunch of updates. wow. [19:56] slackmag1c (n=magician@pool-173-57-58-121.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] slackytude: well yeah. I said "some guy" did it, no way it was me (I can solder a bit, but I'd pull all my hair out trying to do that) [19:56] hehehe [19:57] did manage to upgrade a 16K Atari to 64K, but that really only takes swapping a couple socketed chips and maybe 4 solder joints [19:57] BlackGoat (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:57] Urchlay, heh, I wouldnt been able to do it, thats for sure. been a time since I soldered anything, too. did you see the guyy who built his own 8bit cpu with lots and lots of wires [19:57] madness [19:57] First computer club I joined had a couple Apple IIIs in it (oooo!), and even one Apple I. [19:58] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: "Leaving." [19:58] rsFF (n=rsFF@81.193.23.28) left ##slackware ("= bus error (core dumped)"). [19:58] The Apple ][s of that era had these little wired shunts you had to put next to each row of RAM chips... different ones depending on if total RAM was 4K, 8K, 16K, or 32K [19:58] http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/gallery10.jpg [19:59] slackytude, that's bad [19:59] http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/bmow1/ [19:59] imagine fault-finding it [19:59] dive, think so? oh, yeah [20:00] i am a late comer to PCs, my first PC had a 400 Mhz celeron & 32 megs ram, it came with win 98, my first taste of Linux was redhat7.1 by the time redhat7.2 or 7.3 was release i found slackware-8.0 and been a happy slacker ever since :) [20:00] volkerdi: did the IIIs actually ever work? [20:00] could be if the mice got in there and started chewing wires ;) [20:00] volkerdi, do you, by any chance, know if the XTrap extension can be loaded in slack 12.2? i'm trying to use the xtrapout tool and it says that this x server is not linked against XTrap. [20:00] heard there were overheating and quality control problems with the apple III [20:00] Urchlay: The IIIs did work. [20:01] one day I gotta get a IIgs. Last of the line of Woz... [20:01] Urchlay: but yes... there was an overheating issue. It wasn't as widespread as the usual FUD-spreaders would have had you believe. They made it sound like every III had chips popping off the motherboard like popcorn. [20:02] I never even saw a III in person, just read that somewhere [20:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [20:02] Urchlay: Wasn't Woz's sig inside the first Mac case? [20:03] I have a lot of Apple relics. [20:03] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:03] volkerdi: think so. But the Mac wasn't really Woz's baby, even if he did work on it [20:03] Yeah. [20:03] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:03] I have issue #1 of Macworld magazine. [20:03] wwow [20:03] Hardly as cool as some of the old Apple hardware, except... [20:04] Urchlay: what exactly are you trying to build? I'm *way* back in scrollback, and may not see an answer for a while, because I'll have to walk away before I finish scrollback, but highlight me and I'll see it [20:04] The issue has an interview with Bill Gates where he talks about how Apple is the future of personal computing. [20:04] only Apple stuff I have is a IIc and a box of floppies for it (worked last time I hooked it up, but it was 10+ years ago now) [20:04] lol, i wonder how bill feels about that comment now [20:05] rworkman: what, the libcap stuff? I think that's sorted now (well, upstream needs to fix the man pages, but otherwise it's good) [20:05] It's more than a comment. It's pages and pages of ranting about the greatness of Apple compared to anything else. [20:05] volkerdi: Gates preaching Apple-ism? I'd like to read that... [20:05] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] this would have been before the Great Schism :) [20:06] I'll have to dig that out and post a few choice comments. [20:06] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-103-201.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] hmm that was fun [20:07] i'm trying to download xming and the website won't let me download the new release unless i donate money o_O [20:07] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:07] now have the new video card running [20:07] i hear google has a special scanner for books & magazines, that would be nice if google would let you borrow it for a week [20:07] You'd think in 1984 he wouldn't be doing that, but maybe due to the initial release of the Mac, and knowing that Windows was in the pipe it was something along the lines of "this _concept_ is the future..." [20:08] NukeDukem: Yeah! That thing that shines a black and white maze onto books to get the 3D contour, then takes a photo and flattens it. [20:09] nheco (n=nheco@201-89-166-215.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] I wonder if the book scanning stuff from "Rainbow's End" was based on anything real... they shredded the books, vacuumed them into the scanner, which scanned the tiny pieces, then pieced them together in software [20:09] Urchlay: only the NSA knows [20:09] time for me to go offski [20:10] see ya mates [20:10] volkerdi: there's No Such Agency! [20:10] slackytude: hasta [20:10] cya slackytude [20:10] later slackytude [20:10] volkerdi, been nice chattin with yer. keeo up the great work ^-^ [20:10] Action: slackytude waves [20:10] Urchlay: ah, okay. (and I did make it out of scrollback) [20:10] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A74192.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:10] not any idea about XTrap? [20:11] the library is there, the tools are there. i just can't figure how to make it work. [20:11] i'm going to try to put slack on my laptop here i think [20:12] Urchlay: Sure there is. Didn't you notice X.Org's SecurityPolicy file disappear in these new X updates? [20:12] slava_dp: possibly just a matter of sticking the correct incantation in xorg.conf to enable it? [20:12] does anyone here run slack on a netbook? what do you think of it? [20:12] amazon10x_: I do. [20:12] hrm... [20:12] amazon10x_: AA1. Works great. [20:13] noticed some errors running upgradepkg with latest slackware64-current... [20:13] hmm, okay. i have the samsung nc10 [20:13] not biased or anything [20:13] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5583.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [20:13] lol [20:13] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [20:13] amazon10x_: I believe alienBOB and chess run it on eee 1000*'s with good results [20:13] i tried loading it before but had some power management issues. i think i'll push through them this time. windows and/or fedora/debian are just too much of a pain [20:15] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [20:16] slava_dp: /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libxtrap.so <--- that's the X module. Your mission is to find out the standard xorg.conf syntax to load a module (which I don't know or I'd just tell you...) [20:17] archietross (n=chatzill@75-167-218-156.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] Urchlay, but i think it's just a matter of Load "module". thanks for pointing me to the right direction. [20:17] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-758.tvcom.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] did you run X -configure and look at /root/xorg.conf.new ? [20:18] likely "X -configure" doesn't enable that module by default or he'd already have it [20:19] mm, I think the new pango is broken [20:19] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] and gtk, it seems. it's looking for "/etc/gtk-2.0/i?86* [20:19] this module is for debugging, so it's never enabled. i was confused by the man page claiming that it's not *linked* into the x server. [20:20] thrice`: in x86_64.. yep [20:20] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [20:20] That's what I'm looking at right now [20:20] thrice`: eek... I must have screwed up my multilib patch [20:20] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [20:20] volkerdi: I think so ;) [20:20] Those weer the errors I saw... just trying to track down which package caused it [20:20] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] yes I noticed the same thing with pango [20:20] pango and gtk+2 are the same [20:20] er, are the two [20:21] hrm [20:21] I'll _guess_ that you're seeing harmless errors, since it would come after the part of the update- scripts that counts. Ugly, still. [20:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:21] is this only on 64bit? [20:21] well pango didn't "freak" that time though.. [20:21] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:21] slava_dp: well, "linked" is technically accurate, except it's being linked at run time instead of compile time... [20:21] volkerdi: Yeah.. just stating that "such and such doesn't exist" [20:21] antiwire: The bug is probably on both, but triggered only on 64-bit. [20:22] Dominian: It's just noise. I'll silence it soon. [20:22] yes, just a warning, essentially, as they are populated anyway [20:22] "You don't exist! Go away." [20:22] aye [20:22] (does that error message even still exist? I've forgot exactly how to trigger it) [20:22] some pty thing iirc [20:23] Urchlay: its bitching about linked to something specific.. I didn't log the error, unfortunately. [20:23] dates back to my days of trying to squeeze minimal Linux + X + a single app into an 8MB disk-on-chip (boss was too cheap to spring for 16MB) [20:24] i think if pango was really really broken the fonts in any gtk app would be messed up (unreadable boxes) [20:24] Well whatever it is.. volkerdi is right.. its just a cosmetic issue.. it appears everything is working fine. [20:25] Action: Dominian sighs.. back to grsecurity [20:25] nheco (n=nheco@189.74.199.163) joined ##slackware. [20:25] for full screen mode is this a acceptable speed 15657 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3131.286 FPS [20:25] Dominian: you pronounce that "Grrrr, security"? [20:25] Urchlay: hehe [20:25] Urchlay: usually G-R-security.. but I have no idea what the actually pronounciation is [20:25] installed the nvidia drive now trying full screen on hulu simply locks up firefox sigh [20:25] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-161-4.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:26] grammar fail.. [20:26] s/drive/driver [20:26] ...omg. volkerdi, i just realized who you are, so now i get why you said "not that i'm biased" [20:26] hahaha [20:26] I still say "my squeal" for mysql [20:26] If you make /etc/{gtk-2.0,pango}/x86_64-slackware-linux directories, I'll best that also "fixes" the boot noise from gtk and pango. [20:26] juice: heh, I found that it worked on a previous version of the nvidia drivers, but the latest it doesn't work in [20:26] Er [20:26] i486-slackware-linux [20:26] signal11, so maybe I should downgrade [20:26] juice: maybe, but you might need it to support your kernel [20:26] You'll already have those others if you're seeing that bug. [20:26] volkerdi: the latter, yes [20:26] aye [20:27] this one I got was from june 5th [20:27] from now on its time to log these upgrades.. [20:27] kernel is default slack 12.2 [20:27] i'll try a downgrade the module and test it [20:27] I so wish it wasn't illegal to give your kids valium [20:27] take the valium yourself? [20:28] lol! [20:28] that's what the Killians in the fridge is for [20:28] archietross (n=chatzill@75-167-218-156.cdrr.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [20:28] anyone have a suggestions here? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14707 [20:28] 4yr old daughter = insane [20:28] suggestion* [20:28] take them for a walk in a park or around the block, you just got to get them to run the excess energy out of them [20:28] antiwire: yeah.. you can't bind to the console port as a normal user [20:29] Well folks, it's been a lot of fun! Food calls, so off I go [20:29] check the ownership of /dev/ttyS0 [20:29] later volkerdi [20:29] adios, volkerdi [20:29] oh i'm lame. dialout group... [20:29] :) [20:29] volkerdi: laters. [20:29] later, volkerdi [20:30] volkerdi ;) [20:30] Mail us if^H^Hwhen you find more problems with 36% of the packages getting replaced [20:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] dialout group must be new in -current, used to be uucp didn't it? [20:30] Well, when my system fails.. You'll get an email :P [20:30] good :-) [20:30] volkerdi: any verdict on libcap? (does the patch stay or go?) [20:31] Which.. it almost did on my upgrade path from Slamd64 to Slackware64 [20:31] Urchlay: It stays [20:31] Thank god for Slamd64 chroot I could "link" to [20:31] Well, take care [20:31] cool [20:31] volkerdi (i=3321@slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:31] take care Mr. V. its good to see you visit in here [20:31] he types amazingly fast. [20:31] ...the master has spoken. [20:32] he doesn't come here often, does he? [20:32] no [20:32] Action: signal11 has been here for years, but hasn't seen him here [20:32] but I don't always pay attention to this channel :/ [20:32] amazingly, we didn't get any of the usual "why doesn't slackware have dependency tracking" trollage the whole time he was here [20:32] He's in here a lot more than you realize. [20:32] haha [20:32] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-103-201.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] signal11: me too, and people laughed at me when i asked him politely if he is he [20:33] Action: Dominian would've though the @slackware.com identd would answer that question... [20:33] bah, i like slackware's method of dealing with packages, if it was any different then slackware would not be the same [20:33] yep [20:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] ew.. satellite internet [20:34] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:34] firebird619: how are u? [20:34] if you build from source the build will tell you if something is missing, or if something is broken run the command through a terminal and it will tell you what is missing [20:34] pupit: I'm excellent, thank you. yourself? [20:34] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] good day all [20:35] whats good [20:35] rebooting to install slack on the netbook. wish me luck [20:35] good luck [20:35] im ok, just tired and not thrilled with slackpcg.... [20:35] good luck [20:35] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:35] lucky U [20:35] TClayton_: to defeat your enemies, to see them run before you, to hear the lamentations of their women [20:35] amazon10x, alien had some eeepc-acpi-scripts you might want to see. [20:36] Urchlay: wheres that from [20:36] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Conan the Barbarian :) [20:36] lol [20:36] lol [20:36] lol [20:36] lol [20:36] i was thinking gladiator [20:37] im going to bed, see ya :) [20:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] gnite [20:37] Hey hitest [20:37] how goes it? [20:37] Dominian: under another nick? dressed as a woman? [20:37] hi firebird619:) [20:37] it gors well, you? [20:37] goes [20:37] signal11: I would guess a different nick. ;) [20:37] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.CWRU.Edu) left irc: "Leaving" [20:37] slava_dp: Where are those acpi scripts? [20:38] hitest: doing excellent, thank you. :) [20:38] firebird619: maybe a different nick _and_ dressed as a woman [20:38] :) [20:38] pupit: what are the pros and cons to you? [20:38] Hmm. I wonder what the apple //e uses for a video interface. the VGA cables I own have too many pins. [20:38] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:38] signal11: Seeing as how irc doesn't have visual aids of the users here, I'll leave that to *your* imagination. I'll decline to comment. ;) [20:38] Pat made me want to dig my //e out of my attic. :p [20:38] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] firebird619: of course [20:39] oh, missed the "to bed" thing - n/m [20:39] chance22, amazon10x, http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/eeepc-acpi-scripts/ [20:39] Here's a toast to gettin'; to gettin' her attention, to getting her number, to gettin' the date, to gettin' on her, to gettin' in her and finally to gettin' the hell out. [20:39] slava_dp: Thanks, I've been hoping he'd make those available. [20:39] antiwire: hahaha [20:39] good toast [20:40] the package is there for some time already. [20:40] antiwire: ever said that at a wedding reception? :P [20:40] lol [20:40] Action: firebird619 sees an idea spark in antiwire's head. ;) [20:40] The really funny part is, the first time I heard that it came from a girl at a party [20:41] antiwire: Well, did you get her # then? [20:41] I didn't get any gettin' [20:41] dang [20:41] but i got that good toast [20:41] indeed [20:41] that toast is a keeper [20:44] you could probably pull that one off at a wedding reception though [20:44] yeah, probably. It'd either get laughs or a slap. [20:45] When i got back from Iraq this last time, i was able to make it to a marine "friends" wedding. I ended up getting so trashed i grabbed his moms boobs... I honestly don't even remember after the point when i started drinking. [20:45] lol [20:45] haha [20:46] did she like it or come up swinging? [20:46] _juan (n=juan@200.84.99.116) joined ##slackware. [20:46] No, his brother tried to kicked my @$$ but thats when they took me back to the hotel. [20:46] the hotel i didn't pay for which i might add. [20:46] crazy stuff is allowed to happen at wedding receptions [20:46] haha [20:46] Which i also went to the bathroom in the closet. [20:47] Action: agentc0re has a lot of funny drunk Marine stories [20:47] even if she liked it she had to at least act like she didnt in public to keep up appearances [20:48] I also tried to do the speech from Old School when he's at the wedding.. But i was too messed up and slurred the whole thing. [20:48] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] They also did the chicken dance, to which i did the white boy to... if you could call it that... One this is for sure, i didn't do the chicken dance. :D [20:48] Why is it so quite all of a sudden?? [20:48] :P [20:49] bryanlharris (n=bharris@xob.neospire.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:49] the Funky Chicken? thats a cool and funny dance [20:49] it's only cool if you're 8 beers deep and at a wedding [20:50] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-55-204.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] <_juan> hi, i just changed my MB and processor, i am still using the same HD with the previous slackware install, i already reconfigured xorg, what else should i reconfigure? or should i do a fresh reinstall of slackware? [20:50] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] slava_dp: Thanks again for the assistance. [20:51] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:52] _juan: this isn't windows, there is no WGA [20:52] _juan, if you use the stock slackware kernel, nothing. [20:52] seems its was the flash player having hardware acceleration enabled [20:52] was causing my problem [20:52] juice: yeah, known horrible bug, unfortunately [20:53] i did a google search and someone said the choppy playback can be from the default of this being on in flash [20:53] <_juan> ok [20:53] <_juan> , thanks [20:53] unchecked it and fullscreen started working [20:53] :) [20:54] maybe that is why it has always been choppy in nix at ful screen for me been trying to find that answer for a while now [20:54] i'll have to try it out on another machine disabling it [20:54] if your card supports the xvideo extension, the hardware acceleration should help, not hurt [20:55] 8600 gts [20:55] juice: you're lucky it has worked at all in fullscreen mode with that enabled [20:55] it hasn't really always been really glitchy [20:55] juice: I have no idea. Run "xvinfo" to find out. [20:55] Action: Urchlay doesn't have a database of video cards in his head [20:55] and i just installed this card and been trying fullscreen and it never even tried click it and ff just froze up [20:55] still had sound but no video [20:56] disabled and bam fullscreen worked [20:56] Urchlay, k [20:56] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:56] xvideo is also nice for fullscreen movies in mplayer and xine [20:57] hmm not listed in xvinfo [20:57] but I have yet to really customize the xorg either [20:57] astroturf (i=4ad74ef6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-12f296efd95f259d) joined ##slackware. [20:57] to enable to disable features [20:57] operations supported: PutImage [20:57] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.53.22) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Action: slava_dp goes off to test the xtrap extension. [20:57] wait, does that mean you're using the default "vesa" driver? [20:57] no wonder it's choppy [20:57] ehh ... [20:57] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "^D" [20:58] should be using nvidia [20:58] nvidia proprietary? should support xvideo [20:58] Driver "nvidia" [20:58] It doesn't matter. This flash hardware acceleration issue is a know bug. [20:58] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: "leaving" [20:59] OpenGL [20:59] drum (n=drum@ppp118-208-78-246.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] yeah this problem seems to be on ati.nvidia, onboard etc [21:00] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [21:00] excelblue (i=1000@unaffiliated/excelblue) left irc: "leaving" [21:01] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] maybe flash 11 will have it fixed [21:03] xtrap tools crash on launch [21:03] astroturf (i=4ad74ef6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-12f296efd95f259d) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [21:03] crap, i'm unlucky with this [21:03] xtrapout: xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) - (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed. [21:04] ho ho ho [21:04] ok i'm leaving [21:04] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:04] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "mo yeah mo yeah killallthewhiteman" [21:04] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] JasonosaJ (n=jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] oh [21:05] i'm here again already [21:05] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.8.78) joined ##slackware. [21:06] heret|c (n=heretic@c-24-30-117-194.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:06] grekkos, that was not funny at all. now get out. why are you still here? :P [21:06] because this is my other computer ;p [21:07] irssi on this computer has support for sleep/wake up [21:08] antiwire: oh, it's a bug in flash 10? nevermind... [21:08] Action: slava_dp hadn't thought about such a possibility. why would a sane man even own two computers? :-) [21:08] hehe [21:08] :D [21:08] does the regular irssi support hibernation? [21:09] ehm, not likely, but I dunno for sure [21:09] there's more than one irssi? [21:09] wait, what do you even mean by hibernation in this context? [21:09] hmm actually is it hibernation [21:09] nooper: no, but there's lots & lots of add-on scripts for it [21:09] wheN I sleep my laptop [21:09] JasonosaJ (n=jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] grekkos: what should irssi do in that case? [21:10] actually this one is a gui irssi, which partially defeats the purpose but it added some features [21:10] Urchlay: reconnecting when my computer resume [21:10] s [21:10] if you leave the laptop asleep for 5+ minutes, your TCP connection to the IRC server will be gone... [21:10] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:10] i enabled dri [21:11] ah, well, it supports reconnecting when it loses its connection for whatever reason. I suppose it'd work the same way if you're waking up from hibernate/sleep/whatever [21:11] but still didn't help the hardware accel problem in flash [21:11] so I will just have to wait for it to be fixed [21:12] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] the nice way to handle IRC and hibernation would be, run your IRC client on some other machine that stays on 24/7, and use ssh + screen to connect to it [21:13] +1 ^ [21:14] (if you really want, you could then add some irssi scripting to do actions like logging in to nickserv when it resumes...) [21:14] Action: slava_dp is off to bed. 04:13 here and i'll be pulling myself up at 06:25 o_o [21:14] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "^D" [21:16] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) joined ##slackware. [21:16] ERROR: Package ./alsa-utils-1.0.18-i486-1.txz did not install [21:16] correctly. You may need to reinstall your old package to avoid problems. Make sure the new package is not corrupted. [21:16] From following -current :-( [21:17] what are you using to install it? [21:17] slackpkg [21:17] did you run slackpkg update first? [21:17] slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all [21:17] Yes, I did [21:17] what version of slackpkg is it? [21:18] /var/log/packages/alsa-utils-1.0.18-x86_64-2 [21:18] ftp://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ [21:18] what version of slackpkg is it? [21:18] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.145.244) joined ##slackware. [21:18] slackpkg-2.71.2-noarch-1 [21:18] uhm... [21:19] asarch: how old is your current install? [21:19] hmm. alsa-utils was upgraded a while back. [21:19] The 12.2 release DVD [21:19] ... [21:19] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:19] you are trying to update to .txz and failing :> [21:19] I did a clean install and then upgrade to -current [21:20] asarch: so what you really mean to tell us is that you are trying to upgrade from 12.2 to -current [21:20] ok. [21:20] Yes antiwire [21:20] did you read the documentation in the Changelog at all? [21:20] Is this the correct procedure? [21:20] asarch: why do you want to run -current? [21:21] I'm just going to get all riled up so I'll stop here. Sorry. [21:21] Because of my new HP F4280 printer [21:21] asarch: did you ever read CURRENT.WARNING? [21:22] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:23] I see [21:23] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] Good. Good luck. :) [21:24] That means I will use QEMU to use the printer [21:24] qemu -localtime -m 256 -hda c.img -usb [21:24] BP{k}: I never read warnings. I just fix the broken pieces after I do stuff. :) [21:24] sajes: haha that could work too :) [21:25] Action: sajes wonders if anyone actually reads warnings anyways. [21:25] Action: asarch was too excited about following -current that he miss all those files [21:25] sajes: hmm admittedly, I have been known to install -current .. then find out it didn't work .. then decide that reading some of the included documentation might prove helpful ;) [21:27] asarch: Upgrading is possible but you need to do it properly, especially because 12.2 does not have xz which means it does not support txz packages. 13 will support that and current already does. [21:27] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [21:28] I should probably read up on the new format. [21:28] it's just a different compression algorithm. [21:28] QEMU to use a printer? [21:28] Package structures have not changed. [21:29] antiwire: Oh. I've never heard of xz. [21:30] http://tukaani.org/xz/ [21:31] Oh [21:31] BP{k}: Thanks. I'll read that after finishing this article about xz. :) [21:31] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Windows 98 on QEMU to print files [21:32] I used to do to print with the Samsung ML-1610 printer [21:34] asarch, hmm virtualbox is much nicer to use, and i think that printer should work with cups [21:34] You need to make sure you follow the normal guidelines for upgrading to -current as well as installing the xz, tar, file, pkgtools, slackpkg. You can look at the Changelog.txt around Fri May 8 18:49:03 CDT 2009 [21:35] antiwire, maybe they will fix it sometime this year [21:35] 12.2's CUPS can't use the printer [21:35] the flash bug [21:35] Hey nachox, how's it going? [21:35] juice: yeah i hope [21:35] It sends the data but actually it never gets to the printer [21:35] Isn't virtualbox a private software [21:35] ? [21:35] firebird619, fine, trying to find free stuff about an exam i'm planning to take [21:36] nachox: when's the exam? [21:36] asarch, not that i know of [21:36] That's true. Slackware CAN use VirtualBox! [21:36] Action: asarch used to be a NetBSD user [21:36] firebird619, either at the end of this year or the middle of the next, it's CISSP [21:36] BRB! [21:36] I will install VirtualBox [21:36] Thank you very much guys [21:36] Thank you [21:36] :-) [21:36] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [21:37] nachox: ah, nice. good luck with it. :) [21:37] it's all right. [21:37] Action: sajes laughs at netbsd. [21:37] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] firebird619, thanks, i'm looking forward to it [21:37] drum (n=drum@ppp118-208-78-246.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [21:39] nachox: nice, and indeed good luck :) [21:39] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:41] ditto [21:42] do you guys know the exam? [21:42] vaguely. 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[21:55] where X=some lib [21:56] its raining frogs [21:57] watching a movie called Magnolia [21:58] davimint (i=1000@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] Dominian, you're using slackware proper now? :P [22:01] NukeDukem: great movie. [22:01] i like it [22:04] we may be through with the past, but the past aint through with us [22:04] uva (i=bno@118-160-172-95.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] :) [22:05] there is a philosophical truth to that [22:10] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) joined ##slackware. [22:10] slKIvs (n=ivan@67.114.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [22:11] Dominian: just rebuilding the update driver should work [22:11] don't trust me, I use intel ;) [22:11] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] NukeDukem: what are you trying to say? that we're living in the future now? If so, where's my $%@#$%& flying car?! [22:12] davimint (i=1000@c-76-123-131-156.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] Hmm, my -current vm is borked after updating. :( [22:13] lol, i wish i had a flying car [22:13] NukeDukem: strap some wings on your car and pretend. :P [22:13] firebird619: did you remove the removed packages, add the new ones and upgraded the changed ones or just upgrade? [22:14] i totally screwed up my tenses in that sentence but i think you get it [22:14] i know why flying cars are not being sold to the public, even with ground based cars there are plenty of accients already, just think what that situation would be like in the air [22:14] haha [22:14] Action: firebird619 hands antiwire a grammar book. ;) [22:15] antiwire: I probably did it wrong, but I just ran slackpkg on it. It was current before, I had just upgraded last night, so the updates I got were the things that changed today. [22:15] bryanlharris (n=bharris@xob.neospire.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] right, but this last update removed some, added some and changed some. [22:16] antiwire: It leaves me with a blank, black screen with a square curseor for the mouse. [22:16] s/curseor/cursor/ [22:16] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] antiwire: argh, yeah, I see what you mean. [22:17] :P [22:17] Action: firebird619 goes to fix what he broke. [22:17] anyone get nvclock workin with a gtx200 series nvidia card. or is there any other way to control my fan speed. my card is gettin way too hot playin games cuz i cant turn it up [22:18] antiwire: thanks. :) [22:19] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] np [22:19] grazymax (n=grazymax@host116-155-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:19] thankfully it was just a vm I borked. :P [22:19] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [22:19] NukeDukem: well if I'm in my flying car and I'm about to hit another flying car, I maybe can go up or down to avoid collision... [22:19] TLinton (i=62a56cdc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d75d3c96fd1c838) joined ##slackware. [22:19] hi [22:20] one function that I really think would be nice for slackpkg clean-system is a "selected/deselect ALL" option/button [22:20] i was wondering if a slax-specific question would be a breach of ettiquete here? [22:20] kinda [22:20] TLinton: yes [22:20] ok [22:20] sorry [22:20] chuck (n=charlie@yourwiki/staff/charlie) left ##slackware. [22:20] TLinton: try their forums. [22:20] TLinton: total breach of etiquette usually ending in complete channel break down [22:20] ;) [22:21] heh. their channel is empty, unfortunately [22:21] but hey, thanks for asking instead of just plowing ahead with the question like most do :) [22:21] no prob [22:21] TLinton: no, their online forum. [22:21] anyone kno of a different way to control fan speeds for nvidia besides nvclock? [22:21] thanks for being nice about it :) [22:21] thumbs: ah, ok [22:21] thanks [22:21] grazymax (n=grazymax@host7-154-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [22:22] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-55-204.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:22] cool! the power outage i had earlier this evening did not erase the channels i had programmed in the memory on my stereo [22:23] anyone? [22:23] come on. there has to be a different way [22:24] thrice`: yeah.. however something has changed... the xorg upgrade swapped my mouse buttons 6 7 to 8 9 now [22:24] Action: Dominian shrugs [22:25] all input crap should be commented out in xorg.conf now :) [22:26] inspiron630 (n=Administ@c-69-140-226-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] is there a command line google chat for linux? [22:26] SM177Y: the only suggestion that comes to my mind involves a screwdriver and soldering iron (in other words, hotwire it so the fan's on full blast all the time) [22:26] i just use: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" [22:27] inspiron630: sort-of. There's btlbee, which is an irc-to-im gateway, which supports google talk (so you use an IRC client to connect to a btlbee server, and the server talks to 4 or 5 different IM networks) [22:27] Dominian, we love abi backwards compatibility in linux [22:27] that would work, i bet 9 to 12 volts would spin that fan pretty good [22:27] nachox: you use the same xorg as us [22:28] no, mine is much better tested :P [22:28] well, will in 3 years when they finally update ;) [22:28] no more than 12 though or it would overdrive it [22:28] nachox: it doesn't use x.org ? [22:28] eh, most likely the fan on the vid card uses 5V or 3.3V. I was talking about grabbing Vcc from the video card itself, not wiring it to the main PSU [22:29] without actually looking at it, I can't say how easy or hard it would be to do without breaking anything [22:29] thrice`, yes [22:29] Isn't google talk xmmp? 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[22:50] thumbs: loading it now [22:52] snazzy looking. thanks [22:52] can you guy point me in the direction for a good firewall script, i'm on a wireless broadband connection [22:53] www.slackware.com/~alien/efg [22:54] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Computer has gone to sleep" [22:55] inspiron630: that's a firewall script generator [22:56] echo "ifconfig eth0 down" > firewall_script <--- that's another :) [22:56] super-secure [22:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [22:57] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [22:57] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [22:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] alright, i'll see if i can get the rest of the stuff on this netbook working tomorrow [22:58] but for now i'm an hour past sleepy time [22:58] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] evening all! [22:59] Hey hiptobecubic [22:59] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-88-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:59] How do you do? [22:59] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.43.187) joined ##slackware. [22:59] Hi all [22:59] gar0t0, salutations [23:00] greetings gar0t0 [23:00] hiptobecubic: doing excellent here, thanks. yourself? [23:00] firebird619, still haven't gotten smbtree to do anything. [23:00] firebird619: fine, Brazil wins on soccer \o/ [23:00] gar0t0: cool. [23:01] gar0t0, wins what? [23:01] football [23:01] soccer ? [23:01] hiptobecubic: that's too bad. If I had samba, etc. setup I'd try and help you out, but I have no experience with that whatsoever. [23:01] gar0t0, i mean vs. who? a tournament? etc? [23:01] ow, sorry [23:01] Action: hiptobecubic also has no experience with it. [23:02] hiptobecubic: Paragai [23:02] gar0t0: I don't follow soccer much, was it just a regular game, or cup finals or something? [23:02] i dont know write Paraguai in english [23:02] firebird619: Cup elimination [23:03] Elimination phase [23:03] <|Slacker|> Paraguay [23:03] |Slacker|: thanks :D [23:03] <|Slacker|> 50 bucks ;) [23:03] hah [23:03] lol [23:04] .txz .... are we using lzma finally? [23:04] hiptobecubic: in current yes. [23:05] keoni (n=chadh@208-106-15-141.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] when using slackware-current is there any thing specical i need to do to use slackbuild scripts? [23:05] Hey Does wicd support dealing with multiple connect medias as the same time yet? [23:05] any idea when the slackbook 3 will be out for purchasing? [23:05] keoni, no. [23:06] antiwire, ask in wicd but i don't think so. I just ran slackpkg and it is updating wicd. I'll tell you in a minute [23:06] for some reason i'm downloading at a scorching 10kb/s [23:07] slow it down there cowboy [23:08] straterra, how about 2.45 kb/s :D [23:08] thats better [23:08] damn youngins [23:10] get of my lawn [23:10] dang i can't even make a joke tonight [23:10] what is youngins ? [23:11] it's a southern word which means young people [23:11] It's a shortened version of "young ones" [23:11] <|Slacker|> cool [23:11] thanks :D [23:12] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:13] MANOWAR^ (n=valhalla@cpe-071-076-013-008.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) joined ##slackware. [23:16] MANOWAR^ (n=valhalla@cpe-071-076-013-008.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:18] damn my liferea won't build properly since upgrading [23:18] Do I need all the SlackBuilds (4) to have VirtualBox? [23:19] virtualbox-kernel, virtualbox-kernel-addons, virtualbox-ose, virtualbox-ose-addons? [23:19] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:20] Oh... reboot time... :-( [23:20] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.174) left irc: Client Quit [23:20] nor Eterm [23:22] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] why the hell does sh!t like this make it to the main page http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/11/boffins_track_odds_of_planetary_smashup/ [23:25] it was on google new front page earlier [23:25] news* [23:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@host7-154-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:26] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:27] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.53.22) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.43.187) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] inspiron630 (n=Administ@c-69-140-226-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:30] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.43.187) joined ##slackware. [23:31] antiwire, "within the next five billion years..." [23:31] yeah exactly [23:31] when running slackware64, i am compiling a game and it the complie dies looking for stubs-32.h. what libararies should i look towards? [23:32] antiwire, clearly it is the end of the world [23:32] keoni, the -32 makes me think it requires a 32-bit system... [23:33] or a bug in the configure script [23:33] over the course of 1.7 billion years the probability of a catastrophic space rock impact with Earth is so close to 1 that worrying about a planetary collision is simply comical [23:33] but they front page some simulation crap anyway [23:34] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [23:34] well can you give me some direction? [23:34] Well mate, something gotta make to the front page. The main editor was probably off sick. [23:34] lol [23:35] keoni, what are you compiling? [23:35] aliens vs predator [23:35] ive installed the dependancies no problem [23:36] well aparently not this one [23:36] wait...the avp engine compiles at all? [23:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] i have stubs-64.h [23:36] last i remember the open source one was kinda dead/broken... [23:36] well a friend of mine said it works [23:36] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-191-231.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:36] and ive been trying to get it working [23:36] to try the game out [23:36] keoni, working on what? [23:37] there are not many 64-bit only distros [23:37] it probably is too old for 64-bit support [23:38] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:39] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:39] well is there some type of compatiblity layer [23:39] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189-69-88-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "RAH" [23:40] slackware64 is pure 64bit libs, as far as i know [23:41] compat is in the works [23:46] ill just go install 32 real fast [23:48] keoni (n=chadh@208-106-15-141.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:50] iceD[R] (i=0@189.38.188.124) joined ##slackware. [23:50] Good night for all! [23:50] <|Slacker|> night [23:52] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Someone who knows mirrors tgz packages of KDE 4.3 or 4.2? [23:53] <|Slacker|> any mirror in the -current tree has it [23:53] Don't mix -current with anything but -current [23:53] <|Slacker|> oh yeah...that's true [23:56] suid0_ (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [23:56] -current? How? Any website that teach? Sorry but i'm new to linux and I don't know the tree. [23:57] <|Slacker|> hmmm [23:57] yeah this is what you do; wait for 13 or use 12.2 [23:57] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [23:58] I'm use the 12.2 version. [23:59] excellent [23:59] like it so far? [23:59] Dominian_ (n=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [23:59] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:00] --- Thu Jun 11 2009