[00:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:00] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] cjae: also, "alsactl store 0" [00:00] dngr (n=dngr@pcd553085.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] hba (n=hba@189.188.145.239) left irc: "leaving" [00:01] hba you mean since feb? ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [00:01] might be a silly question but why is there so many sound (servers?) around does it have to do with just being compatible with apps (like) noatun or is it something to do with drivers as well [00:01] cjae: most are just "hacks" to fix issues [00:02] ahh [00:02] is servers the right terminology [00:02] I use alsa only really since most of the time sound servers can cause more trouble [00:02] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:03] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] right I thought alsa was the de facto [00:03] elektr1k (n=privacy@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:03] elektr1k kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Frogboy, you and the horse you rode in on can leave until you find something constructive and sensible to say. [00:03] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:03] finally he was abnned [00:04] s/abnned/annedbay <--proper pig latin [00:04] guess tomorrow I will be testing out another llvm+clang build I really need a more powerful box .... [00:04] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [00:04] perfectatay [00:05] correctamundo :) [00:05] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] Oldway_Ogiefay isway ackbay! [00:05] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Oldway_Ogiefay: hmm I take it the Bills are really despart(sp?) [00:06] kitche, you got that right [00:06] I hate to say, but I doubt they're gonna be here much longer. [00:07] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:07] NaCl, :) [00:07] is there a way to run gui stuff from console like environment, I saw an image on the net and it looked like media (video-movie) playing from what appeared to be a console [00:07] well anyways time to go to bed just wanted to do a svn checkout before I go to bed [00:07] cjae: well mplayer can do that [00:07] kitche, ok g'nite [00:08] cjae, anything that can harness the use of libsvga or the kernel framebuffer support can (but you have to have a video card that can do framebuffer) [00:08] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] cjae, you can surf the net graphically too with links at cli [00:08] Oldway_Ogiefay, do you have any other examples [00:09] paypal? [00:09] hahaha [00:09] Nick change: ryht -> ryht|afk [00:09] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:10] Oldway_Ogiefay, you mean links like the lynx or links2 [00:10] cjae: you can run gui apps from the consol directly, if you want [00:10] all men need a teddy right? http://www.random-good-stuff.com/2009/02/05/teddy-bear-for-single-men/ [00:10] links that's it [00:10] cjae: just that you need X up to do it [00:10] right [00:11] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] but I mean with out kde, ice or flu or anything, it there a console emulation wm [00:11] there is svga helper [00:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-7.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:12] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:12] it can allow you to do something in console mode [00:12] somethings** [00:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] ok [00:12] I could never get that working. Kept on saything something was wrong with a kernel module [00:12] if you build your own kernel you must rebuild svga hepler lib [00:12] ok [00:12] build it in a vm tho! else you'll touch every file on your box [00:13] yeah and it's gross [00:13] i forgot about that part [00:13] read the build script and you'll see [00:13] i ve only done that once (well way more than once but only once successfully):p [00:13] And make sure that you test it. More than once. [00:14] kernel compile that is [00:14] You'll actually need to rebuild everything that has a kernel module. fuse and ntfs-3g come to mind too [00:15] ntfs-3g works without rebuilding though [00:15] so does fuse [00:15] that is so that you don't have a huge kernel image right [00:15] make stuff modules instead [00:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:15] i build my own kernels because i like to run the latest stable and i also run a few patches [00:16] nullboy: there is a fuse kernel module, but I don't know much of anything about building kernels [00:16] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:16] fuse is part of the kernel [00:16] you don't need to rebuild the packages that use it, at least i've never had to and i use fuse for ntfs [00:17] Huh. I learned something today. [00:18] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] all you need is CONFIG_FUSE_FS in the kernel and the userland libs [00:19] I saw it in /var/log/packages [00:19] yeah that's the lib [00:19] anyone using google earth on slack (12.2) [00:19] me [00:19] works fine [00:19] works perfect [00:20] nullboy: fuse.h in the kernel source package got my attention more than anything else [00:20] cool [00:20] installed in buntu and broke tons of shit [00:20] NaCl: i'll bet that if the kernel API changed you'd need a new lib version and a rebuild [00:20] opps [00:20] swearing cool here [00:20] fuck yeah [00:20] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] as long as you don't swear at people [00:21] Action: cjae s horns protrude a bit [00:21] ok [00:21] Yeah. The first rule of ##slackware is not to piss off the natives [00:21] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:22] why would anyone want to, not trying to change the color of my nose or anything but this is by far the helpful, knowledge having channel imo [00:22] because sometimes the helpers talk shit too [00:22] and then this spiral starts [00:23] gnashing of teeth, ripping of flesh, you know [00:23] get a hide throw it over yourself if you cant take it [00:23] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] lol [00:23] And then the ops come in and save the day [00:23] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:23] you missed the commontion some twat caused earlier. [00:24] he followed me here, after a ban in another channel [00:24] ya I didnt see it [00:24] the lyrics spammer? [00:24] last night that dude got banned [00:24] the Guru guy. [00:24] lol [00:25] why is no noatun going nuts and playing all sorts of shit [00:26] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] i don't like noatun because it seems to not like me [00:26] noatun is unable to produce sound for me. [00:26] is it a test when you press play with nothing loaded [00:26] at least it's not just me [00:27] nullboy: I hate it. [00:27] nullboy: I resort to amarok, even tho it takes longer to start. [00:28] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] bluehattux (n=12312331@189-47-241-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:28] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] same here [00:29] ow my ears [00:29] i take the performance hit [00:29] you know what really sucks [00:29] Avril_Lavigne-Chop_Suey_(System_Of_A_Down_Cover).mp3 [00:29] omfg [00:30] cjae: dude wtf [00:30] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:30] g/fs external hd [00:30] who? [00:30] haha [00:30] Avril who? [00:30] .... [00:31] I dont even have to words to explain how much that sucked [00:31] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:31] what kind of music was it? [00:31] shitty [00:32] encoded (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) joined ##slackware. [00:32] What software does Slackbuilds use for their mailing list? [00:32] ... great description. [00:32] For that matter, is there a common mailing list linux software? [00:32] redtricycle: mailman? [00:32] ah, thank you [00:32] redtricycle: you might want to ask in #slackbuilds [00:33] thumbs little punk wannabe rockers chick... trying to do hard core metal [00:33] cjae: oh. Sounds terrible. [00:33] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:33] well not that hard core but you get the idea [00:34] (##slackware) Channel ban on %Guru!*@* expired. [00:34] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] ##slackware: mode change '-b %Guru!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:34] i'm traveling to Alberta in a few weeks http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&q=convert+-32C+to+F&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=convert+-32C+to+F&fp=z9zbsQrXiw0 [00:35] i live in southern california... [00:35] nullboy: in was in Alberta last year. [00:35] nullboy: it's very hot in the summer. [00:35] nullboy: it reaches 32 degree [00:35] yeah i go up there often, last time we went was last year in spring [00:36] thumbs, ya my g/f is the geek of the relation ship and I am the nerd if and only if geek =hardcore, artistic loud music lover and nerd = someone who is learning this stuff here to keep himself out of trouble [00:36] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] nullboy: that was C, of course. [00:37] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [00:37] that should say =hardcore gamer [00:37] -25F is insane cold for someone used to 50-80F [00:38] this is going to require me to buy special clothing [00:38] nullboy: umm, you just spoke chinese to me [00:38] join the polar bear club nullboy :) [00:38] nullboy: I have no idea what F is. [00:38] well, the scale, obviously. [00:38] it s going to be -35 degrees Celsius here tomorrow [00:38] thumbs: ~ -32C [00:39] cjae: I find that hard to believe. [00:39] nullboy, where from? [00:39] thumbs: my typical day is ~24C [00:39] cjae: -35 is only seen up north here. [00:39] cjae: california [00:39] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:39] saskatchewan canada [00:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] cjae: I've been there [00:39] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Regina [00:39] cjae: oh, then. [00:40] and when I was there it was -60F [00:40] cjae: lots of plains. Makes sense. [00:40] hehe [00:40] cjae: we hit -15 in Montreal, on average. [00:40] I work outside in -56 b4 that really sucks [00:40] it's always 70F here :) [00:40] -56? Does spit turn into ice before it hits the ground? [00:40] cjae: yeah.. -60.. snot freezes while you breathe in.. its an interesting sensation [00:41] nix_chix0r, nix_chix i'm seeing double! [00:41] sucks and for eight or twelves hours at a time, but you do get to warms up here and there [00:41] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:42] cjae: ever been to eastern Canada? [00:42] Action: cjae get worst typist of the year award [00:42] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] thumbs, try not to :p [00:42] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:42] cjae: eastern Canada is cool. [00:42] just joking [00:43] redtricycle, just about but that is just with the wind chill [00:43] I remember when I was there.. it was so freakin' cold.. the ground was literally cracking [00:43] thumbs, I been as far as winnipeg east [00:44] and no.. canadians do NOT wear socks when having sex and they don't live in igloos [00:44] Action: edman007 stabs nix_chix [00:44] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] no cockroaches though [00:45] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] osx86ed (n=osx86ed@rrcs-67-79-10-144.sw.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] I still have over an hour of battery on this [00:46] my energy (natural gas) bill two years ago in january was $497 CAD not equalized [00:46] hail bob? [00:46] cjae: .... huh. [00:46] cjae: I pay 25$ a month, tops, in winter. [00:46] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:47] hmm, wish I did [00:47] they heat up the whole buildign with gas, and I only pay if i crank up the heat. [00:47] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] naturally, I like the cold, so I turn it off. [00:47] 1500 sq foot two story house [00:48] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:48] cjae, what about this season? same thing? that much? [00:48] little less but installed high efficiency furnace, brb [00:48] I guess my battery will outlast me tonight. [00:49] sometimes that happens to me too [00:49] getting tired. Buenas noches. [00:49] especially since my batteries have tanked [00:49] man that's brutal, around here (and it's cold) a 1500 sq.ft house (meeting energy star) is about 150$ max not equal billing. [00:50] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] oh wait, he's Canada, yea that makes sense then [00:51] glad I dont pay them taxes, heh [00:51] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.57.103) left irc: "." [00:51] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:53] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:55] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] Oldway_Ogiefay, and I have ten foot ceilings too [00:56] yeah that really don't help [00:56] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:56] no no it sure doesn't [00:56] got a ceiling fan at all? turn it on in reverse hitting the ceiling, it'll do wonders [00:57] slow/low is all it takes to help move it about [00:57] ya but its not in the right place and g/f bought some stupid chandelier that would be in the right place [00:58] :( [00:58] make her pay the bill :) [00:58] she did last month not working right now [00:58] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] there be other ways :) [00:58] lol [00:58] I'm not above servitude hahaha [00:59] nix_chix, what is up with your net conn tonight? wow [00:59] she a good girl though I have had many g/f but this one is by far the best [01:00] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] oh? well just remember, as much as you love her and all; there is probably a couple two three guys out there saying "I can't stand that $%^#@ broad!" :) [01:00] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:00] plus shes got a brownie card so I get cheap fuel and discounts on taxes and junk [01:01] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] :) [01:01] I got kicked outta boy scouts for that [01:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Stinky finger with the brownies? [01:01] got cought eating a brownie [01:01] :) [01:01] rofl [01:02] The wine in the cantein was probably what put me over the top tho, heh [01:02] What ever happened to duty and honor??? [01:02] U-Neeks (i=555@201-34-249-245.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:02] wtf [01:02] what like kiss her afterwards? [01:02] what in the hell did I just /window 3 myself into? [01:02] she has to really earn that kiss. [01:02] lol [01:02] a brownie orgy [01:02] haha, look at all the perv's coming out on that one, lol [01:03] hahah [01:03] you know it! [01:03] sadly, that brownie joke I heard decades ago, still a golden oldie :) [01:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] anyway gotta go I really appreciate all the help I got here today [01:04] Action: edman007 kicks nix_chix0r [01:04] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:04] So long, and thanks for all the brownies. [01:04] haha, yea now it's lemons [01:04] wait brownie orgy? wtf? [01:05] as long as it isn't a lemonparty [01:05] nullboy, oh look its pedo bear and chris hanson [01:06] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:06] rworkman: Bummer, adding my snd module to /etc/pm/config.d/defaults still did work for me. I have been meaning to try the latest kernel to see if it had been resolved, might as well do that now. [01:06] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] agentc0re: what's the symptoms again? It resumes fine, but just not sound? [01:07] rworkman: I just took a look at the change log from 2.6.28.6 to .7 and looks like it actually may have gotten fixed. [01:07] Ooh, good. [01:07] rworkman: Yeah, resumes just fine but if i leave a terminal up (or check the logs) i get a "kernel: disabling irq 16" which usb ports and audio live on. [01:08] Hrm, yeah, not a whole lot pm-utils can do to work around that. Definitely a kernel bug, and yeah, sounds familiar. Here's hoping 2.6.28.7 is good. [01:09] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:09] edman007: my name is Chris Hanson white dateline NBC. How are you tonight? [01:09] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] nullboy, lonely [01:09] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:10] lol [01:10] Me too. And thanks for pointing out /etc/pm/config.d/defaults. I actually read MOST of the pm-utils readme except the bottom and tells you about that file and how to add in suspend modules. [01:11] :) [01:11] See /usr/lib/pm-utils/ for some other things that can go in /etc/pm [01:11] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [01:12] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:12] nullboy: Heh you just reminded me of the ventrilo harassment video when he uses the Chris Hanson dateline stuff. [01:12] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:12] omg, nix_chix misspwn stay on or off [01:13] edman007: why were you kicking nix_chix ? did she poop out that baby? [01:13] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:13] [20:44] edman007, time to spawn [01:13] and now she is joining and leaving under 3 nicks every five minutes [01:14] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:17] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] crazy [01:17] damnit [01:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br expired. [01:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:18] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] nix_chix0r, omg, you are alive! [01:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:25] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [01:26] TecR0c (n=TecR0c@acetow2.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:29] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [01:29] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:34] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:35] TecROc (n=TecR0c@149.135.69.140) left irc: Connection timed out [01:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: ":q!" [01:37] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-69-105-1-163.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:40] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:49] bluehattux (n=12312331@189-47-241-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [01:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:52] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:56] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:56] root__ (n=nukedclx@bql206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [01:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-155-93.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] vhann (n=Me@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:57] geez [01:57] Back [01:58] Hi all [01:58] edman007, [01:58] Hi,vhann [01:58] nix_chix0r, your back? [01:58] done baby pooping? [01:58] tea4me (n=tea4me@pool-71-174-11-4.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:59] Does someone know if it's normal that, on my system, grep -E '[:alpha:]' doesn't give the same result as grep -E '[a-zA-Z]' ? [02:01] vhann, the predefined man ones are local dependent according to the man page, and you clearly have your stuff set to french [02:02] s/predefined man ones/predefined ones in the man page/ [02:02] so it does make sense [02:02] edman007, my LANG environment variable evaluates to en_US [02:03] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] But I think I "misexplained" my problem: [02:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net expired. [02:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:04] Action: edman007 waits for a second try [02:04] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.146) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:04] nix_chix, can;t stay up? [02:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:05] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [02:05] ban [02:06] Action: edman007 bans encoded [02:06] encoded, or do you mean someone else? [02:06] hufnus (i=root@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [02:06] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] edman007, ok, I've successfully reproduced the presumed bug: [02:07] given the following lines: [02:07] From vhann3000;;; [02:07] and [02:07] From slackware@: [02:07] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [02:08] this outputs the 2 lines: [02:08] grep -E '^From [a-zA-Z]+' [file] [02:08] while this doesn't: [02:08] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:08] grep -E '^From [:alpha:]+' [file] [02:09] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:09] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] vhann, ahh, yea -> grep -E '^From [[:alpha:]]+ [02:09] thats correct...after you find the run away quote [02:09] Nick change: ZMR_ -> ZMR [02:10] edman007, what the heck? [02:10] I don't understand [02:10] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:10] vhann, [:alpha:] is the characters, and you need to put that in a character class brackets, so you get the double brackets [02:10] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [02:11] and then you run out of fail [02:11] ahh... [02:11] Yeah, still this is quite an unusual syntax [02:12] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] Well, thanks a lot edman007 [02:12] :D [02:12] Action: edman007 kicks misspwn [02:12] you are doing it again... [02:12] and its annoying [02:15] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:23] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-155-93.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:23] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-155-93.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-24.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [02:25] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-155-93.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:26] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [02:29] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:29] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:32] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] me_ (n=me_@78.144.201.197) joined ##slackware. [02:37] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:39] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:42] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:44] ecks- (n=explicit@c-24-19-202-155.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:47] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:49] me_ (n=me_@78.144.201.197) left irc: "me_em" [02:49] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [02:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:54] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-168-212.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:55] ivan8013 (n=Ivan@190.148.53.106) left irc: Client Quit [02:57] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:57] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] vhann (n=Me@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:58] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:59] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:59] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:03] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] deepyox (n=deepyox@190.40.97.4) joined ##slackware. [03:08] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:08] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] whoa... [03:10] nix_chix, [03:11] every 3 minutes or so you are joining and leaving... [03:13] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: Connection timed out [03:13] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:18] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:18] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [03:20] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [03:20] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:22] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:23] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:24] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [03:25] faffi_ (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [03:25] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:29] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:30] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89B23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:32] deepyox_ (n=deepyox@190.40.97.126) joined ##slackware. [03:33] morning [03:33] alice_ (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:35] boss broke the coffee machine [03:35] deepyox (n=deepyox@190.40.97.4) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:35] Action: slackytude starbucks coffee++ [03:35] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] tasty but expensive [03:36] If they would sell ir for half the price or sumething, Id be totaly hooked [03:36] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:38] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:41] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:43] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:44] deepyox_ (n=deepyox@190.40.97.126) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:44] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:44] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.40.97.126) joined ##slackware. [03:46] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:46] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:47] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:47] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:50] slackytude, fail [03:50] you broke it, don't lie [03:50] wasn't me [03:50] i'm going to tell your boss [03:50] it was his fault [03:50] lies [03:50] nah [03:51] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] Action: edman007 goes back to reading about itainiums and branch predection [03:52] edman007: url? [03:53] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:54] wiki...so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_prediction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_predication http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction-level_parallelism [03:54] hmm, links are adding up faster than i can read em... [03:55] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:57] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:58] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:58] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:59] Holy updates to Slackware --current Batman! [04:00] kde 4.beta in the main tree... and no gnome /me tears (lol) [04:01] aye [04:01] well, no gnoe is old news [04:02] I can hope (that way I don't have to build it :) [04:02] well, if you really need gnome there are 4rd party packages for slack [04:02] 3rd party too [04:03] yea I build it for the wifey here, hopefully kde4 soon will be good replacemnt for her. [04:04] actually, it looks like there's sec fixes out for 12.2 (/me is watching the rsync here) [04:08] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:09] welp, bedtime for bonzo, night all [04:09] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:10] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:10] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [04:13] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:13] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:13] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:15] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:18] Ah, the updates are out in the wild now :-) [04:19] sid77_ (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:22] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-31-222.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:23] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:23] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-31-222.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [04:26] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:26] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.22) joined ##slackware. [04:29] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:31] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:32] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:32] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:33] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:34] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:34] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] js2 (n=js4@89.218.62.66) joined ##slackware. [04:36] hi i use backtrack and i have a lot of difficult questions, who is here now to help me? [04:37] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:37] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE75E3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:38] js2, backtrack != slackware [04:38] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:38] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: Client Quit [04:40] edman007, ok but u know this and u can help me with a couple of Q [04:42] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:42] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [04:44] ok, make it quick [04:44] don't ask to ask [04:45] if i use kde on slackware-based system, how can i try to autostart it on boot, need i any gdm or kdm? [04:45] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:46] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:47] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:48] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [04:48] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:48] edit /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 4, on a full install you will get kdm to run on boot [04:48] there are comments in there for that [04:48] on slackware i don't think you need either gdm or kdm, /etc/inittab id:5:initdefault: goes straight to xdm. i'm nore sure about slackware-based systems, though [04:49] *not [04:49] or yeah, kdm i think.... [04:49] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:50] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:50] # These are the default runlevels in Slackware: [04:50] # 4 = X11 with KDM/GDM/XDM (session managers) [04:50] # 5 = unused (but configured the same as runlevel 3) [04:50] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:50] so its 4, unless you are screwing with stuff [04:51] oh hahahah i didn't remember. should've kept quiet. :P [04:51] and it checks for kdm, but will run xdm if not installed (and i think it still checks for gdm) [04:51] why wouldnt it [04:52] gdm is not in slack [04:52] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Action: edman007 stabs misspwn [04:53] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Action: edman007 -> bed [04:53] carefull the kid may shoot out and hit you [04:53] edman007, thx [04:53] linux_probe, rofl [04:54] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:54] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] does edman007 talk on OFTC any ? [04:55] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:55] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:55] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] not really [04:56] ah, ok :) [04:56] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-1-143.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:57] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:00] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:02] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.22) left irc: "Leaving" [05:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:04] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-1-143.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:04] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:05] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:06] http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ [05:06] Nick change: obnauticus_ -> obnauticus [05:08] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:08] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:11] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:12] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:13] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:13] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-6ca772d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:18] TecR0c (n=TecR0c@acetow2.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:18] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:19] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:24] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:28] js2 (n=js4@89.218.62.66) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:29] alice_ (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:32] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:34] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:35] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [05:37] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:38] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:40] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:42] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:43] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:44] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:45] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:45] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] keyboards caught in loops are such a pain in the backside.. [05:47] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:48] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:48] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] braided loops made of keyboards? [05:50] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:51] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:52] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:52] always use slackbuilds as opposed to just a .bin true or false eg. google earth [05:53] I'd prefer slackbuild, but solely because I hope that'll save me some trouble if I ever remove or update the piece of software. [05:53] Aldaron, ok [05:54] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] If I don't care of ever removing/upgrading something, then I install from source / binary / whatever. And even then, I sometimes install the stuff in /opt/owndirectory, so I *can* remove and/or upgrade.. [05:55] but that's slightly more hassle, at least getting paths and environment variables right [05:56] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:57] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:57] it says google earth must have opengl drivers or x will crash...wow that sucks [05:58] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:58] changing xorg.conf just to nv for my nvidia card should work right [06:01] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:01] depends on the card [06:02] why do you need google earth the program? i use the online service and it works all right. wikimapia.org rocks too [06:03] slava_dp, didn't know about the others [06:04] google earth online [06:04] ? [06:04] i mean doesn't maps.google.com provide the same? [06:04] no [06:05] hmm, what does google earth do then? [06:05] JRosy (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [06:05] *sigh* [06:06] I don't want it for directions, I want it for sight seeing, or does it use same images [06:06] plus maps aren't much good in the dky [06:06] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:06] sky [06:07] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:07] wait kstars or whatever the other one is called [06:08] i really just want to see if it works well in slack cause everytime in buntu it broke something [06:08] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:10] didn't know about wikimapia but it just uses google too [06:10] but thanks will be helpful if GE not installed [06:12] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp2-guest011111.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [06:13] KyNs (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: Connection timed out [06:15] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [06:18] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:18] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:20] cormoran (n=frank@230.165.83-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:21] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:21] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Hi ! How can I made the LANG environment variable changes available for all application without restarting the X session ? [06:24] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [06:32] Nick change: sid77_ -> sid77 [06:32] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:33] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:34] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [06:34] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:34] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:37] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:38] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:38] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:38] Raphael_S kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Raphael, the 8th deadly sin is ignoring the nice warning about non-broadcasting away messages. You have one day to reconsider. :) [06:39] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:39] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:41] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:42] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:42] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:43] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:46] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:46] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: [06:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [06:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:52] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:54] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:54] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:57] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE75E3.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [06:59] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:59] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:00] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:00] nix_chix: invest in a good internet :P [07:01] or edward peer will not stop peering you down [07:02] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:03] cormoran (n=frank@230.165.83-79.rev.gaoland.net) left ##slackware. [07:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:05] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:07] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:14] what is VIX API 1.6 for Linux. [07:17] reworded I don't need api for vmware if I dont intend on doing any coding [07:19] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:20] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:20] slow day [07:21] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [07:22] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [07:23] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:23] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.40.97.126) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:24] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:24] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] slackytude: something for you to do... [07:28] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [07:28] suggest the best way to automate e-mailing the contents of a web page [07:29] wget + mail [07:29] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:29] or mailto, rather [07:29] meh [07:29] ive just decided im gonna run the page through some perl first [07:30] well, Id use python and beautifulsoup for that [07:30] but Im a hoples python fanboy [07:30] fsck python [07:30] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [07:32] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:35] faffi_ (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:35] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:36] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:38] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:39] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b8150876da16456e) joined ##slackware. [07:40] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [07:41] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] Gadotti (n=x@201.54.199.46) joined ##slackware. [07:42] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Gadotti (n=x@201.54.199.46) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:44] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:45] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:52] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:52] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:53] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:55] Nick change: MrJacks0n -> MrJackson [08:00] hr [08:01] anybody else got problems with pidgin and icq? [08:02] slackytude, upgrade to the latest [08:02] slacky.eu has got a package [08:02] icq is kinda flaky these days.... [08:03] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Action: slackytude nods [08:03] sux [08:03] slackytude, although they list some dependencies on slacky.eu, they are not required (ymmv) [08:04] gonna check [08:04] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:06] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:08] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:08] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] that didnt help [08:09] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-200-201-93.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:11] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:11] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:13] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:13] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:14] misspwn (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-6.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:26] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:27] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) joined ##slackware. [08:28] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:31] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:33] hmmm, dhcp server on windows... [08:35] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-234.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:36] spook_: install Windows Server 2K3/8 ? [08:39] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br expired. [08:39] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:43] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-234.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [08:43] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-234.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:43] what's up snoops [08:43] citizen42alpha: no, this is more of a cobbled together thing [08:44] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [08:44] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] does anyone in here have any experience with waffles.fm? [08:46] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:48] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] moonhead: torrent site? [08:49] just wanted to appologize for my failboat connection last night [08:49] nix_chix0r: failboat connection is least of your troubles. [08:49] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:49] in and out in and out :| [08:50] spook_, i'll probally poop this baby out later today, i came home to sleep it off some. kinda a waiting game [08:50] nix_chix0r: something similiar happened to you about 9 months ago, amirite? [08:50] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:50] 2cm dialated [08:50] tmi kthx [08:50] haha [08:51] at 10.. its time to bolt! [08:51] so i figure since i'm gona be home waiting, might as will put slack on the other desktop and do dishes like a woman should:P [08:52] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:52] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.146) joined ##slackware. [08:52] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:54] kama (n=kama@host191-3-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:54] spook_ yeah [08:54] sorry [08:54] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) left irc: "Leaving" [08:54] got busy at work [08:54] i can't connect to any seeders [08:55] just wondering if there is something i'm not doing properly with slackware [08:56] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [08:58] kama (n=kama@host191-3-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:58] othermindszine (n=othermin@55.sub-70-193-136.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:00] moonhead: yeah um, probally not. [09:00] just corporate firewall? [09:01] nix_chix0r: didnt get my joke? [09:01] spook_, that was all me ;) [09:01] yeah i don't know. just wondering. i've got all the proper ports forwarded. just can't make a connection. [09:01] nix_chix0r: the in and out happening about 9 months ago? [09:01] i started and finished it. so i blame myself [09:02] nix_chix0r: heh. [09:02] summer heat will do that to any one [09:04] Nick change: credo_ -> credo [09:05] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) joined ##slackware. [09:06] <[cipher]> i have a problem in slackware 12.2, kde. which is i can't see the foreign language [09:06] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) joined ##slackware. [09:06] <[cipher]> i can only see it as ???????? [09:06] [cipher], in a file manager? [09:06] <[cipher]> instead of the right spelling :| [09:06] <[cipher]> yep [09:07] <[cipher]> even if i browse it by firefox, same thing :| [09:07] [cipher], should specify the right encoding in /etc/fstab [09:07] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] <[cipher]> i did [09:07] <[cipher]> let me pastbin it to you [09:08] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:08] othermindszine (n=othermin@55.sub-70-193-136.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [09:08] <[cipher]> slava_dp, http://rafb.net/p/mDgC8J23.html [09:09] <[cipher]> it's all about the sda5 and the ntfs's ones [09:09] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] shouldn't it be nls=utf8 ? [09:10] <[cipher]> you mean instead of defaults,utf8? [09:10] like defaults,nls=utf8 [09:11] <[cipher]> i will try it [09:11] <[cipher]> sec [09:11] <[cipher]> still want work :| [09:11] <[cipher]> i got this msg [09:12] <[cipher]> http://rafb.net/p/WElmYV36.html [09:13] <[cipher]> and the dmesg |tail : [09:13] <[cipher]> http://rafb.net/p/DuB44c38.html [09:13] mhh i don't know at the moment as i have no ntfs partitions left on my computers :( try googling for the right mount options. and maybe someone else here can help. [09:15] <[cipher]> but what about the ext3's one? [09:15] <[cipher]> should works i guess :| [09:15] <[cipher]> dive, you busy? [09:16] I'm going out in 5 minutes [09:16] 4 [09:16] :) [09:16] <[cipher]> :) [09:16] <[cipher]> k, another time [09:16] <[cipher]> i'm just facing an encoding issue in my file manager [09:17] <[cipher]> seeing foreign languages as ????? instead of the right spelling of it :| [09:17] [cipher], afaik ext3 is written in your locale. [09:17] <[cipher]> afaik! [09:17] <[cipher]> did't get it [09:18] as far as i know [09:18] <[cipher]> aha [09:18] try setting the correct encoding in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [09:18] <[cipher]> k, will check [09:19] i've got "export LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8" there. try your own options. [09:19] <[cipher]> got it [09:20] /me thinks you'll need to reboot after modifying your locale. [09:21] JRosy (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:22] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) joined ##slackware. [09:22] JRosy (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) joined ##slackware. [09:22] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:23] [cipher], eh, please don't pm me, this is a public channel [09:23] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [09:24] [cipher], execute "locale -a" and see what suits you [09:25] [cipher], i can tell you're from Lybia, then ar_LY.utf8 would do it. [09:25] oh sorry Libya :) [09:25] <[cipher]> :) [09:26] ar_LB.utf8 [09:26] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] <[cipher]> LB stands for lebanon i guess :P [09:27] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:27] i dunno. check what's appropriate for you :) [09:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] <[cipher]> thanks anyway slava_dp [09:27] no problem [09:28] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-84-66.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:28] hi all [09:29] Action: [cipher] rebooting :) [09:31] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) left irc: "Leaving" [09:31] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] good `date +%r` [09:32] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [09:33] good `date +%D` [09:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:34] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:36] uva (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:45] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:47] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:52] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) joined ##slackware. [09:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:54] bono (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:54] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [09:55] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.169.101) joined ##slackware. [09:55] <[cipher]> slava_dp, [09:55] <[cipher]> ^^ thanks alot [09:55] =D@ [09:55] did it help? [09:55] <[cipher]> yep, it works fine now ^^ [09:56] wow, great. i'm glad it works. does ntfs work too? [09:56] <[cipher]> let me try it first :) [09:56] <[cipher]> i only test it in my usb, and i found it works fine :) [09:57] my congratulations then :) [09:57] <[cipher]> i wish i can serve you in good moments :) [09:57] <[cipher]> then you are more than welcome [09:58] heh, no problem :) [09:59] <[cipher]> about switching language using keyboard [10:00] <[cipher]> for example, using alt+ctrl or something like that [10:01] <[cipher]> i enabled the xkb option, and choose layout switching [10:01] <[cipher]> Alt+shift change layout [10:01] <[cipher]> but it wont works [10:02] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:03] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:03] <[cipher]> any idea? [10:04] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-84-66.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:06] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [10:08] slackuser_ctba (n=slackuse@unaffiliated/slackuserctba/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [10:08] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.240.48) joined ##slackware. [10:09] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [10:09] i just done installing slackware inside virtualbox..but i did not enable networking at install time. How can i enable networking (slackware inside VirtualBox) ?? [10:11] tsolox, when you click on slackware on the left there should be options on the right which you change [10:11] dive: ? [10:12] i,m started VirtualBox in bridge-mode [10:12] free solution active only interface [10:12] in the vbox window on the left you see a list of your vm's? [10:12] the new version its possible use nat [10:12] but im not tested this option [10:13] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:13] dive: wait...but I have not enabled networking during when I install slackware inside vbox..so i guess, the first thing to do would be to enable networking in slack? [10:13] ah ok, yes you should do that [10:14] how? [10:14] usually /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start [10:14] first do netconfig [10:15] dive: should I choose static ip,dhcp ? [10:16] i guess static ip...can i use any value? [10:16] I would say dhcp [10:16] the ip is assigned by vbox i think [10:16] it is in qemu [10:17] JRosy (n=JRosy@77.246.72.85) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:17] dive: done..doing netconfig. what next? [10:17] after netconfig, do /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start [10:18] remind me.. what do you have to do to vim to wake it work with crontab? [10:18] Zordrak, try setting EDITOR and VISUAL [10:19] dive: ok..I have now IP address (given by vbox i guess.) What next? [10:19] I think it's EDITOR and VISUAL for visudo [10:19] [cipher], http://pastebin.com/m396eb588 --> this is an extract from my /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- modify it to suit your language configuration. [10:19] no.. i mean theres a backups setting or something that stops it writing the tab [10:19] tsolox, try ping google.com [10:19] se if it works [10:20] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] ahah [10:20] set nobackup [10:20] <[cipher]> slava_dp, thanks ^^ [10:20] Zordrak, in .vimrc you can set backups and backupdir [10:20] [cipher], and then set up the kde language thing (kxkb or whatever) to only show the current language but do not change anything. i's gonna work. [10:20] it tries to resolve some url but it has 100% packet loss..By the way, I only want to let the host and the guest communicate.. [10:21] <[cipher]> i will [10:21] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:21] dive: for example, www.yahoo.com becomes --> www-real.wa1.b.yahoo.com (209.131.36.158)... [10:22] but you get no packets back? [10:22] i think its getting something, but it has 100% loss. [10:22] yeah [10:22] try a web browser [10:22] looks like dns is working anyway [10:23] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:24] dive: i can goggle using links..i am not connected to net..Lets go back to my main purpose, i want to share folder between host and guest os [10:24] s/not/now [10:24] I don't really know a whole lot about vbox - I use qemu mostly which has a built in smb server [10:25] dive: thanks for your help.. [10:26] appreciate it.. [10:26] np [10:26] sorry I can't help more [10:27] there are some vbox users here though, so maybe someone can help further [10:27] liberion (n=liberion@unaffiliated/tiberion) joined ##slackware. [10:27] tsolox -> http://www.jragomes.com/content/view/17/5/ (translate) [10:27] liberion (n=liberion@unaffiliated/tiberion) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:29] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [10:29] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:29] slackuser_ctba: any english [10:29] resume [10:30] install packages bridge-utils [10:30] tunctl [10:30] uml-utilities [10:30] modprobe tum [10:30] take a look at the current changelog guys. Pat must be kidding O_O [10:30] slava_dp, current? [10:30] -current [10:31] and create a script-bash for up you interface [10:31] this script create a interaction both ethx and br0 [10:31] Action: spook_ powers up the orbital ion cannon network [10:32] slava_dp, just a few then ;-) [10:32] virtualbox (freeware) you can use one interface by virtual machine [10:32] xfce 4.6 is in there [10:32] Action: agentc0re gives spook the eel cannons as well [10:33] dive, he upgraded a good half of the distribution in one go. omg :-D [10:33] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] l/svgalib_helper-1.9.25_2.6.27.7-i486-2.tgz: Removed, as the helper module does not work with recent kernels. [10:34] wtf [10:34] l/svgalib-1.9.25-i486-2.tgz: Patched for recent kernel headers and configured to no longer use the helper kernel module. [10:34] agentc0re: they are dual function [10:34] agentc0re: can fire both in ion cannon mode, and frozen eel sabot mode [10:35] I wonder how much that affect speed [10:36] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.1) joined ##slackware. [10:37] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204721.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:38] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) left irc: "Leaving" [10:39] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE75E3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.24) joined ##slackware. [10:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.169.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:48] how much can we customized slackware?? I mean, can i make it have only X11 + fluxbox? [10:48] and jre? [10:49] As much as you want [10:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.171.116) joined ##slackware. [10:52] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:52] see you later guys. have fun. [10:53] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [10:53] bono (n=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] why does slackware not using grub? [10:54] Because Pat doesnt want it to [10:54] You can use grub if you want [10:54] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.24) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:56] encoded_ (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) joined ##slackware. [10:56] encoded (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:56] Nick change: encoded_ -> encoded [10:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] straterra: where can i change the lilo timeout in slackware during boot time..sorry not familiar with lilo.. [10:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:56] in /etc/lilo.conf [10:59] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:00] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:01] encoded_ (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) joined ##slackware. [11:01] encoded (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:01] Nick change: encoded_ -> encoded [11:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:05] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.240.48) left ##slackware. [11:08] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Success [11:10] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: "Saliendo" [11:11] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [11:11] uva (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:13] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [11:13] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:17] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.186.137) joined ##slackware. [11:19] ant_G7_uk (n=ant@cpc3-stkp1-0-0-cust419.manc.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) joined ##slackware. [11:23] <[cipher]> what's the diff between configuring /etc/profile.d/lang.sh or lang.csh? [11:24] <[cipher]> dive, any idea :) [11:24] [cipher]: lang.sh is for shell based files (ie sh,bash,ksh) where lang.csh is for the c shell (ie csh) [11:25] yes, .sh is for /bin/sh and csh is for /bin/csh shell [11:25] what he said ^^ [11:25] <[cipher]> but i'm using bash ? [11:25] so it will be .sh [11:25] and how does that invalidate what I just said? [11:25] <[cipher]> i see [11:25] sh is symlinked to bash anyway in slack [11:26] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] <[cipher]> did't mean it like that BP{k} [11:26] yes, you did! [11:26] :P [11:26] <[cipher]> lol [11:26] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:27] <[cipher]> cuz i did some configureing in lang.sh and it's ended up with changing the langauge of some application! [11:27] <[cipher]> while i need just to see the proper language, and it's works after that, but with changing the lang of some app :| [11:28] <[cipher]> proper language in file manager* [11:33] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.28.145) left irc: "Leaving" [11:36] anyone know how to scan a net with nmap and report only the IP and mac address of hosts with a mac registered to a specific company? [11:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [11:37] i can scan and grep for the company... but then I only get the mac address lines, no other info [11:38] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:39] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [11:42] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [11:42] uva (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [11:47] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-68-161-220-39.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] ITechJunkie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] I'm having trouble running "make menuconfig" for 2.4.31 under Slackware 10.2 - I have an old computer with 64MB RAM [11:49] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] "make menuconfig" displays messages parsing.....done and then nothing - the make is HUNG. top shows CPU used by "sh" [11:50] NCURSES is installed [11:51] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [11:53] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:53] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Any help is appreciated [11:55] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:55] WOO [11:55] Nmap::Parser ftw! [11:55] 00W [11:57] now i can script nmap from perl :D [11:58] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:2b5) joined ##slackware. [11:58] dusty_ (n=dusty@linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:00] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.186.137) left irc: "bbl" [12:02] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-b8150876da16456e) left irc: [12:03] ant_G7_uk (n=ant@cpc3-stkp1-0-0-cust419.manc.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "chickens" [12:05] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [12:06] HANA (i=ANA@189.83.50.190) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Good whatever it is, everyone. [12:06] HANA (i=ANA@189.83.50.190) left ##slackware. [12:07] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Hermaniette (i=1000@dhcp2-guest011111.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:09] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:11] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:12] bono (n=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:13] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:14] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:15] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:15] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89B23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:23] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Hi guys, anybody know this error in stunnel... ? RAND_status claims sufficient entropy for the PRNG [12:24] epaphus - can you see my message??? [12:24] hmm? [12:25] epaphus, there are 282 people on this channel, yet the traffic is ZERO - again, can you see this message? [12:25] eddief2, yes [12:26] epaphus, THANKS for the reply - I thought I had a problem - I posted a message 20 mins ago - no reply - and there are 282 people and 1 op on this channel [12:26] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.12.105) joined ##slackware. [12:26] "RAND_status claims sufficient entropy for the PRNG" doesn' [12:26] t look like an error [12:26] you sure it doesn't say *insufficient*? [12:27] :) then iam cool.. the error must be this one [12:27] file /etc/stunnel/stunnel.conf line 69: Each service section must define exactly two endpoints [12:27] iam not sure what endpoints are though [12:27] ah [12:27] I haven't used stunnel in forever, can't remember much about its config [12:27] eddief2: and those people *might* be busy, working, or just not know the answer, or we don't care. ;) [12:28] pastebin the stunnel.conf somewhere, I'll see if it jogs my memory [12:28] Urchlay, okie [12:29] BP{k}, yes, but I thought, wrongly perhaps, that there would be traffic, 1%? 20% of the 282 people posting text - but up until the last 5 minutes NOTHING. [12:29] a lot of of lurk a lot of the time [12:29] Urchlay, http://pastebin.com/mc0198f9 .. i added two lines at the end the rest is default [12:29] Urchlay, I'll repost my earlier message [12:30] I'm having trouble running "make menuconfig" for 2.4.31 under Slackware 10.2 - I have an old computer with 64MB RAM [12:30] hm, shouldn't there be a [name] above your 2 lines? [12:30] "make menuconfig" displays messages parsing.....done and then nothing - the make is HUNG. top shows CPU used by "sh" at 90% [12:31] it's like a DOS/windows .ini file [12:31] NCURSES is installed [12:31] eddief2: yeah, I saw it, I just don't know the answer :) [12:31] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] eddief2: I suppose you let it sit for a long time, it never recovered? [12:32] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [12:32] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Urchlay, NO. it never comes back - the machine it's running on is 133 MHz - really - I also have a 133 MHz IBM laptop - that runs OK [12:33] Urchlay, thanks.. do i need to reload stunnel somehow? [12:33] zomg, make is HUNG! I'll bet it has a good time pulling gals ;) [12:33] eddief2: is this a full install of slackware 10.2 [12:33] epaphus: try adding a line that says "[popa3d]" right above your "exec =" line [12:34] BP{k}, yes, full 10.2 - I also applied the patches - didn't help - I also tried make menuconfig with 2.4.37 [12:34] Urchlay, i added it within pop3s .. afterall this is pop3s.. did i do wrong? [12:34] epaphus: not in the conf file I'm looking at, you didn't... [12:34] but yeah, that sounds better [12:35] From Googling, I noticed that if I cd to scripts/lxdialog the Makefile has a reference to HOSTCC - I modified the Makefile to echo $HOSTCC [12:35] I do believe you need to move the exec/execargs into the [pop3s] section, and remove the "connect = 110" [12:35] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.194) joined ##slackware. [12:35] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-136-74.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:36] stunnel can either connect to a local port for a service, or else exec a program, but not both [12:36] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:36] From that I found out that HOSTCC has NO VALUE - I added a line to the Makefile "HOSTCC = gcc" and make menuconfig worked [12:37] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:37] But I shouldn't have to do that - init HOSTCC - I was hoping to find someone with a simple solution - or I may just do a FULL reinstall of Slack 10.2 on the 133 MHz w/64MB machine [12:38] BTW, I'm in the New York City area - where are you?? [12:42] eddief2: where'd that kernel source come from? installed as part of the distro, or you're trying to build a different kernel? [12:43] Urchlay, kernel.org - bz2 version [12:44] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:44] ok. See if you can compile the kernel source that comes with the distro... as a baseline, so to speak [12:44] if you can't, then something's seriously horked up with your install [12:44] eddief2: your trying to put a 2.6.28.x kernel on slack 10.2? [12:44] s/your/you're/ [12:44] Urchlay, I'm just trying to build the kernel - or just first "make menuconfig" as i said, I see "parsing.....done" then it hangs - I never see the blue menu with the kernel options - JED works, as does IPTRAF which I believe both use NCURSES [12:45] Urchlay, now it goes fine.. but when i telent 995 .. i get no output.. as if pop3s isnt there... i think i should be getting something [12:45] Urchlay, - OK I'll try to install the source that comes on the Slack 10.2 CD [12:45] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] Zordrak, NO, I'm trying to make menuconfig 2.4.31 on slack 10.2 [12:46] epaphus: eh, telnet doesn't speak SSL. Try "openssl s_client -connect localhost:995" instead [12:47] epaphus: remember you're trying to set up an encrypted pop3 service... so you'll need a client that can negotiate the encryption [12:47] yeah, .. well it says [12:47] $ openssl s_client -connect localhost:995 [12:47] CONNECTED(00000004) [12:47] Channel flood from epaphus -- kicking [12:47] 5564:error:140790E5:SSL routines:SSL23_WRITE:ssl handshake failure:/usr/src/lib/libssl/src/ssl/s23_lib.c:226: [12:47] epaphus kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:47] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) joined ##slackware. [12:47] sorry [12:47] don't do that :) [12:48] after it prints all the error/warning junk, does it return you to your prompt, or does it sit there? [12:48] Action: jkwood hands epaphus http://pastebin.slackadelic.com [12:49] jkwood: 10 minutes ago he already knew how to use pastebin :) [12:49] Action: BP{k} shows epaphus the way to ... oh pooh .. trumped by jkwood . [12:49] Urchlay, returns to prompt. [12:50] epaphus: OK, something's still horked. You generated a certificate? [12:50] im fiddling with squid, can I force a homepage with it? [12:50] like... one from my webserver with policies? does anyone know? [12:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:51] yes.. the ca and key are in where it should be according to the stunnel.conf [12:51] have you guys ever experienced that the hinges that holds up your laptop screen has become slack and wiggly? My screen only stands by itself if it stands perpendicular to the keyboard plus/minus a few degrees. [12:51] epaphus: see if there's anything in your logs (I can't remember whether stunnel has its own log file, or uses syslog, but find out & check) [12:51] v3gard: Happens quite a bit on Acers, I'm told. [12:52] v3gard: it happens with all laptops with age [12:52] buy new hinges [12:52] hinges are moving parts, and moving parts always fail... [12:52] v3gard, you will have to replace the hinges - it's a common problem with old or mishandled laptops - new hinges can be expensive [12:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:53] that's what I was afraid of.. [12:53] hinges aren't that expensive..a trip to ebay usually gets em [12:53] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@bql206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:53] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [12:53] but you will have to take apart the screen and base assembly, most likely [12:53] would I have to buy vendor-specific hinges, or are they standardized somehow? [12:53] v3gard, how old is the laptop? - what make? Maybe you can find a similar latop on Ebay, with good hinges - but some other problem [12:53] specific for that model [12:53] eddief2: it's 3 years old. compal hdl75 [12:54] too bad the "you pull it" computer salvage yard went out of business, I probably could have found those hinges... [12:54] eddief2: not the most common model, I'm afraid :) [12:55] Urchlay, where were the computer salvage yards? I saw one in Van Nuys California in 1999 [12:55] thanks for the tip guys.. now I at least have something to look further in to:) [12:57] Urchlay, log says its the port 995 thats already in use... whats the best way to know what daemon has it though? [12:58] LikeVinyl (n=desdemon@186.18.57.7) joined ##slackware. [12:58] v3gard, I can't find any pix or spec on compal hdl75 - just replacement batteries [12:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.1) left irc: [12:59] epaphus: "netstat -plnt" ought to do it [12:59] eddief2: this one was in Mableton, GA. It's been gone for a few years now though [13:01] v3gard, Your story is a good example why it's good to buy a popular brand laptop - replacement parts are eaiser to come by - or the money you save with an offbrand will let you buy a new laptop - laptops are cheaper today than they were 3 years ago - Asus EEE and the like [13:02] eddief2: I have come to realize that fact myself :) [13:03] oh, by the way. The Compal DL75 is the same model as Compal HDL75 [13:03] Urchlay, Google "new york times halted electronics" and you'll see an article in the NY Times about one of the last computer parts stores - Halted Specialties [13:03] Urchlay, well i called to startup the pop3 daemon in inetd.. iam guessing I shouldnt have done this because stunnel starts it? [13:03] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [13:04] here are the specs: http://www.discountlaptops.com/index.php?section=specs&model_id=1336 [13:05] epaphus: correct [13:07] v3gard, looks like a nice machine - I'd just be REAL CAREFULwith it - put some stuff behind the screen to keep it up - the hinges WILL fail eventually - how soon depends on how careful you are - or how soon you want a NEW laptop :-) [13:09] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:09] hinges can always be tightened or even replaced if necessary [13:11] v3gard, which CPU? how fast mhz? [13:11] eddief2: Intel Celeron M - 1600MHz [13:12] v3gard, What version of Slackware do you have on it? [13:12] eddief2: the problem with the hinges has become increasingly worse the past few months, so I really have to figure out a solution to the problem.. [13:12] eddief2: 12.2 [13:13] sitwon: do you have any experience with tightening the hinges? does that work well? [13:14] v3gard: it depends on the hinge [13:14] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] v3gard, seriously, the only way would be if you could find someone on ebay with the same machine (a spilled can of coke) and do a transplant - ask if the hinges are OK first [13:14] v3gard: you've been given the solution [13:14] v3gard: some laptops have hinges that can be tightened with just a screwdriver [13:14] v3gard, craigslist - ask COMPAL too [13:15] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:15] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.12.105) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:15] I've replaced the hinges on a Dell and two ThinkPads in the past (with factory-fresh parts) [13:16] thanks for all the help anyways :) [13:16] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-204003.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] v3gard, how much was the machine when you got it? [13:16] even if you have to spend $50 on new hinges, that's usually more economical than buying a brand new computer [13:17] sitwon, yes, but where do you get hinges for $50? [13:20] LikeVinyl (n=desdemon@186.18.57.7) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:20] SiegeX: ping [13:20] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:21] eddief2: http://www.acsparts.com/ [13:22] PsYkHe (n=PsYkHe@189.77.57.103) joined ##slackware. [13:25] I just learned about /dns - nice [13:26] sitwon, ACS has no mention of v3gards COMPAL - NOT compaq [13:27] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.218.194) left irc: ":wq" [13:28] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn202.91-127-89.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:29] ubuntuXO (n=hyapadi@125.161.58.51) joined ##slackware. [13:30] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204721.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:30] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [13:30] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [13:30] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [13:31] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] root__ (n=nukedclx@cbz195.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:32] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [13:36] eddief2: I'm from Norway, so things are a bit more expensive here compared to US prices. I payed approximately $1000 for it [13:36] you could... [13:37] superglue the damn thing in the position where you want it [13:37] probably not a good idea, I seem to be full of bad ideas today... [13:38] I could, but then I'd have a problem when I had to bring the laptop to school/work :) [13:38] thanks for the tip though ;) [13:39] thrice`_ (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [13:39] thrice`_ (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) left irc: Client Quit [13:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [13:42] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:42] not much of a tip, I know [13:43] you could maybe get a couple pieces of that elastic stuff they use for hardshell guitar cases [13:43] attach them to the case somehow, so it will only open to exactly the right position where it'll work [13:43] Kl0r (n=Jeremy@i216-48-173-252.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] v3gard, just be VERY careful with it - try to jury rig something to keet the screen at a good angle - eventually you will need a new machine - pretty sick that a good machine can be junked due to bad hinges [13:44] probably not worth the effort though, as the elastic will probably stretch over time [13:45] That's when you get an external monitor, or run the machine as headless. [13:45] No need to junk it. [13:45] not junk it, but it isn't really a laptop any more, he'll have to buy another [13:45] Urchlay, I installed the kernel source from the 10.2 CD, and I get the same problem with make menuconfig - the make hangs at "Preparing scripts: functions, parsing.....done" - it's been like that for 10 minutes - Jim, he's dead. [13:46] npad (n=nick@dsl211-146-242.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "changing servers" [13:46] RLuft (n=roger@200.188.174.223) joined ##slackware. [13:46] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] eddief2: OK, something's definitely hosed. I really can't tell you what though (no idea what all you may have done to it since you installed it) [13:47] eddief2: the quick & easy solution is a reinstall [13:47] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.194.90) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Urchlay, I'm going to do a TOTAL reinstall of 10.2 - takes about 1 hour - first I want to backup some files in directories unrelated to /usr/src [13:48] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@bql206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] does slackware handle automatic dependency checking and install that package first...? [13:48] No [13:48] Slackware doesn't handle dependency tracking at all [13:49] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] straterra: why and what's the benefit...not to [13:49] slackbook.org [13:49] is there s USE flag similar to gentoo? [13:49] no [13:49] Why is for simplicity. [13:49] tsolox: Let's say, hypothetically, that I want to uninstall a text editor. [13:49] Let's pick nano. [13:49] k [13:49] In Slackware, removepkg nano. [13:49] Action: thrice` follows along [13:49] v3gard, How about this - ever see picture frames that go on a table? there is a triangular shaped leg that swings away from the frame to keep the picture upright - try to make something out of wood/plastic - glue onto the back of the screen on a hinge - swing it out - voila??? [13:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:50] In Ubuntu (this actually happened to me, btw) apt-get remove nano. [13:50] Both remove nano. [13:50] you mean, USE flag is not that useful at all..?! [13:50] tsolox: its useful in Gentoo.. [13:50] but why no such thing in slack [13:50] However, in Ubuntu, it alsa removed fully 30 megs of "dependencies." [13:51] Because Slackware doesn't use portage? [13:51] Some of which I needed. [13:51] whoa [13:51] jkwood: i c. [13:51] what kind of stuff did it remove? [13:51] eddief2: hey, that's actually a good idea. Actually, it's my only option if I can't get replacement hinges :) [13:51] I could not tell it what NOT to remove. [13:52] jkwood: is there not a reference count of stuff to tell that it is being need by something else? so that, it wont get removed? [13:52] I don't remember offhand. All I know is, all of a sudden it crashed on me, and wouldn't boot succesfully. [13:52] Well, in theory, there should be. [13:52] that can't be right [13:52] Some maintainer somewhere got lazy. [13:52] I mean that can't be what they were trying to accomplish [13:52] Now, this kind of thing doesn't happen in Slack. [13:52] jkwood: you can remove one program and it will remove libc on ubuntu forgot what that one program is though [13:52] v3gard, maybe you can do something with a thumbscrew that would allow you to adjust the angle too - look at http://hackaday.com for other possible ideas [13:53] Granted, I can remove something in Slack that's necessary, and it won't even really protest. [13:53] when i "installpkg", does it compiling the software in my machine? [13:53] But, it won't remove anything that you don't explicitly tell it to. [13:53] tsolox: no [13:53] No, it just installs a pre-built package. [13:53] slackbook.org [13:53] If you want to compile software on your own machine, there's http://slackbuilds.org [13:54] 99% of the software that comes with Slack also comes with a SlackBuild in the source directory for it, so you can tweak and rebuild to your heart's content. [13:54] But, if you just want to install binaries, that's possible too. [13:54] eddief2: thanks for all your help. I really appreciate it. [13:55] v3gard: You're welcome o.O [13:55] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: "SXEmacs - The Best A Geek Can Get - http://www.sxemacs.org/ or app-editors/sxemacs" [13:55] so, how do i tell, for example, that a software X must be link with lib Y... in slack? [13:55] without USE flags.. [13:56] Experience and documentation. [13:56] v3gard, how about a leg on a hardware store hinge - epoxy one side of the hinge to the back of the screen, the other side of the hinge attack a wood/plastic leg - with a rubber bumper onthe end - it won't slip on the table - play around [13:56] By reading the documentation [13:56] ok [13:56] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-8-240.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:56] doing it in the source makefile, i guess... [13:57] you dont just install stuff by make, make install [13:57] manual tweaking.. [13:57] You use a slackbuild script [13:58] v3gard, the thing is that the hack will fold back against the back of the screen for easy transporting - just do something so the leg is steady and doesn't accidentally swing out letting the screen to fall over [13:58] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.194.90) left ##slackware. [13:58] Wow..you're welcome o.O [13:58] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:58] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [13:58] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] ubuntuXO (n=hyapadi@125.161.58.51) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:59] straterra, ufts ;-) [13:59] Are people really that uninformed about Slackware? [14:00] there really is a lot of anti-Slack propaganda out there [14:01] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-242-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Kl0r (n=Jeremy@i216-48-173-252.cia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] Hi guys, iam trying to use stunnel with pop3s... while uathenticating it says.. error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number .. anybody canhelp me here? [14:04] anyone used Antiword? [14:04] Once went to a Linux help channel, asked about some issue. "What distro," they ask and I tell them. "Get a real distro." This was the answer to my every question. I was very disheartened. I cried a little, on the inside. [14:04] that sounds like undernet #linuxhelp [14:04] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-193159.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:04] I think they were using Ubuntu (of course). [14:04] I used to op there, but I got sick of hearing that so I haven't been in there in years [14:05] Anyone know whether RedHat/Fedora/Debian modify/customize the kernel for their distributions??? to harden it or whatever? [14:05] "harden" [14:05] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:05] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:05] Raphael_S kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Raphael, the 8th deadly sin is ignoring the nice warning about non-broadcasting away messages. You have one day to reconsider. :) [14:05] eddief2: Redhat/Fedora uses SElinux.. what do you think? [14:05] I'm beginning to get a real bad outlook on Ubuntu. Like: Hate Windoze? Can't handle Linux? Try Ubuntu! Everyone else does! [14:05] Not that Ubuntu is bad, but Ubuntu users are sure rude. [14:05] Yes, they patch the kernel heavily, which is why I am so leery of them. [14:06] mbhayes, so Slackware could use SElinux kernel too? [14:07] Yeah. [14:07] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.63.127) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Yeah of course it can.. [14:08] but why? [14:11] jozefk (i=user@86.99.75.250) joined ##slackware. [14:12] eddief2: after some googling, I found this nice hack: "http://www.instructables.com/id/Laptop-Hinge-Hack/" so now I even have a howto :) [14:12] hi everybody [14:13] i need to ask you something [14:13] you may speak [14:14] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] I read somewhere that Ubuntu is Swahili for Slackware is too hard for me [14:14] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:15] aperture1ever` (n=abell@athedsl-193909.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:15] v3gard, WOW! I like it. I'm bookmarking it for future reference. [14:16] SlackLnx (n=LNX@85.139.11.121) joined ##slackware. [14:17] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-1-143.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:18] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.63.127) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:2b5) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:2b5) joined ##slackware. [14:20] jkwood: why does ubuntu patching the kernel make you leery of them? [14:21] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204003.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] Nick change: aperture1ever` -> aperturefever [14:21] If the patch is good, it will be adopted in the standard kernel [14:21] the kernel's patched all the time by most distributions - some of the patches make it upstream, some don't; usually the patches are to suit customer specific requests , or real "enterprise" stuff that doesn't belong in the kernel.org kernel [14:21] eddief2: exactly. [14:21] because the kernel guys know whats better for the kernel than glorified debian packa^C^C ubuntu devs [14:22] sorry for delay [14:22] What mods have other distros made to the kernel? Is that why Fedora is SO SLOW? [14:22] not to mention Ubuntu patches the kernel with things that have not be tested properly imho [14:22] i want to ask about downloading slackware 12.2 [14:22] DVD [14:22] No.. fedora is slow because it has like 100 services starting at startup that are freakin' useless [14:22] Well, the problem is transparency. If I want to build a kernel on Slackware, I don't have to track down 25 patches for it. I grab the kernel source, apply the config, make some choices, and go. [14:22] KDE verion [14:22] jozefk: There's no such thing as a KDE DVD version [14:22] I've tried RedHat/Fedora - it seems slower to me. I run Slackware on older HW [14:22] version* [14:22] kde comes on the DVD [14:23] if you look at how many ubuntu patches make it into the kernel, you will find they are one of the LEAST successful contributors [14:23] in testing: 4.2 [14:23] thrice`: hehe. yeah *Debian* do appear to work that way [14:23] where is the Gnome then> [14:23] ? [14:23] no [14:23] It hasn't been in Slackware since 10.2 [14:23] great! [14:23] If you want Gnome.. look at the Gnome Slackbuild project [14:23] so all i need is slackware 12.2 DVD [14:23] just google for it [14:23] but Red Hat don't - against common myth. I used to work for RH and know a lot of the developers -- they always try to get their stuff upstream, apart from anything it saves them the effort of constantly re-patching againist a new release [14:24] i want KDE [14:24] of course; alot of kernel guys work for RH [14:24] eddief2: the slowness -- dunno. you'd have to do some system tests with sar or something to find out [14:24] jozefk: then Download the DVD.. KDE is already there [14:25] and i start downloading the DVD from here: ftp://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [14:25] i got 64% and then it's stopped [14:25] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:26] https://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linuxkerneldevelopment.php that might be of interrest [14:26] MoZes, "get their stuff upstream" - do you mean they are trying to get their stuff incorporated into the standard kernel??? [14:26] i want to ask if someone knows some link from where i can get it without stopping [14:26] jozefk: Are you currently on Linux? [14:27] or else to explain me if i can use the another version which isn't iso [14:27] coz I see two folders with 12.2 [14:27] eddief2: who? [14:27] eddief2: Debian or RH? [14:27] one is iso and the other isn't [14:27] no i'm not on linux currently [14:27] MoZes, RH, in your earlier message [14:27] eddief2: in general anyway, most people try to -- I know RH's aim is to get their stuff upstream always unless they know it's never going to be accepted (since they do employ a lot of the kernel developers) [14:27] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-32-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [14:28] eddief2: yes absolutely. they try wherever possible forthe authors of the original source to accept their patches [14:28] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [14:28] MoZes, by "upstream", do you mean the standard kernel??? [14:28] unless they're distribution specific in which case no. [14:28] i guess it would be easier for me to download part by part then this whole 3.87GB in one piece [14:28] eddief2: yeah. upstream always means to the original distributor of MoZes, Thanks. [14:29] jozefk: Well, I'd suggest using some kind of download manager. [14:29] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] jkwood i'm doing so [14:29] but it's not the problem with manager [14:29] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-193159.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:29] Try downloading the 12.2 with BitTorrent - might be faster??? than a straight download from one source??? [14:29] Hmm... Well, you should be able to finish the download. [14:29] it's something with server [14:29] eddief2: but sometimes RH *do* 'fork' stuff cos the original author does not want their patches. I think vixie's 'cron' (Slackware uses dillon's cron) is an example. Vixie didn't care about cron and refused it, so RH improved/forked it. [14:30] maybe maximum number of users. i don't knwo what's the problem but it stopped [14:30] can u tell me if i can download the other version which isn't iso and to make a boot DVD by myslef? [14:31] MoZes, N.I.H. (Not Invented Here) I understand. [14:31] this is the other version: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2/ [14:31] jozefk: why can't you just..resume? [14:31] I use slackware.cs.utah.edu all the time. [14:31] i'm trying but it doesn't want to continue [14:32] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-242-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] i continued already many times but no it just doesn't want to continue anymore [14:32] now* [14:32] jozefk, can you quit the download - and when you try again - will it start from where you leftoff??? I'm not sure - I would suck to start at 0% [14:32] That said, http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso should work. [14:32] So use a different mirror [14:32] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Nice fast mirror, that. [14:33] all else fails, download the 3 install CDs instead of the DVD [14:33] thanks i'll try. just hope it will not happen again after 64% or something [14:33] straterra, trying a different mirror, would the download start at 0% or 64%? I would think that a differnent mirror would start at 0%??? [14:33] depends on your download manager [14:33] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-242-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [14:33] jozefk, look into BitTorrent. [14:33] eddief2 if i quit and resume it will start from where it stopped not from 0% [14:33] Action: Urchlay sprays keyboard cleaner under eddief2's ? key [14:33] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:34] My right pinky is sticky [14:34] :) [14:34] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) left irc: Connection timed out [14:34] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [14:34] straterra you think i can continue from 64% from another server?? [14:35] depends on your download manager [14:35] Urchlay what is the rest of data on that extra 2 CDs? [14:35] jozefk: nobody here knows. We aren't experts on windows download managers... [14:35] :)) [14:35] jozefk: the contents of the DVD are split across the 3 CDs [14:36] jozefk, WHY download the entire DVD - just download CD 1 and 2 the rest are not necessary [14:36] you boot from the 1st CD and start the install. It'll tell you when to insert the next CD [14:36] well. maybe you are not but you should be able to explain me if i can download part by part from here ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2/ and to make a bootable DVD by myself/? [14:37] Yes you can do that [14:37] the rest is not necessery? what's the meaning of making DVD then if the rest is not necessery? [14:37] ...but if you're using windows software to make your bootable DVD, don't ask us for help on how to use it and expect useful answers... [14:37] 650MB downloads in less time than 2000MB [14:37] Of course the rest is necessary [14:38] alienBOB how? just to burn everythign together and to mark the option "bootable"? [14:38] Unless you want a very barebones Slackware [14:38] jozefk: the DVD also contains the sources (which are CDs number 4 through 6) [14:38] jozefk: there is an instruction in /isolinux/README. Or you download and run http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [14:38] That script will download all of slackware-12.2 and create an ISO image too if you want [14:38] jozefk: which would you rather carry around with you, one DVD or 6 CDs (or even only 3 CDs?) [14:39] 1 DVD [14:39] jozefk: I was just saying, if you're having trouble downloading the DVD iso, the CDs might be easier for your download manager to handle [14:39] Ah, windows... then that script will not help [14:39] Once Slackware is installed, you need ZERO optical disks [14:39] :) [14:40] why zero optical disks? [14:40] I never install Slackware using optical disks... either network install or using a USB stick [14:40] Put the files on a thumb drive [14:40] what's the difference if i'll download everything at once on DVD or to download everything later on after installation ? [14:41] nothing [14:41] HugLeo (n=HugLeo@201-0-145-201.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I use CDs because my WiFi isn't that fast [14:41] hi [14:41] that's what i'm saying too [14:41] where I find a firebird package to slackware 12.2? [14:42] firebird? [14:42] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [14:42] jozefk, which do you prefer, apples or oranges? [14:42] tangerines! [14:42] Lots of Vitamin C [14:42] straterra firebird database server [14:42] eddief2: my wifi is faster than my optical drive.. [14:42] blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-6ca772d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:42] From the vender, I'd suppose [14:42] or limes, if it's for use with vodka [14:43] Urchlay: or if britist [14:43] british% [14:43] i like both. apples and oranges [14:43] maybe orannges a bit more than apples :) [14:43] my wifi isn't that fast now. [14:43] tribeca (n=naitso@host115-24-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:43] jozefk, go with your preference [14:44] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:44] i'm just thinking if i'll get 64% or something, again and it iwill stop [14:44] nvision (n=nvision@g229064035.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:45] 64% of 3.4 gigs... Hmm... [14:45] jozefk: Using FAT32 by chance? [14:45] Download once - for any install/reinstall - monitor and download the occasional patches too [14:45] heh [14:45] fat32.... [14:45] oh gods, 2gig file size limit [14:45] that;s why i think part by part is safer [14:45] NTFS [14:46] You sure? [14:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] Or a ftp downloader with a 2GB filesize limit [14:46] a dumb piece of downloader software might still fail on files >2G [14:46] What program do you use to download the ISO jozefk? [14:46] Hmm... Works out to 2.5 gigs, actually. [14:46] Download Studio [14:47] 3400 * 0.64 = 2176 (2 gig file size limit?) [14:47] you think the problem is with software? [14:47] 3400 isnt 3.4 gigs.. [14:47] Install dvd is 3.9 gigs. [14:47] straterra i'm sure about ntfs, why? [14:47] Download CD 1 and 2 - problem solved [14:48] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] While I can't say for certain that the software is causing the problem, I guess it's possible. [14:48] straterra, 3400, roughly [14:49] you also don't know whether this Download Studio thingy defines a gig as a proper base-2 gigabyte or a base-10 "marketing" gigabyte... [14:49] what i think is that the problem is max. number of users connected to server at the same time [14:49] or some weird mix of the two, like 1024 bytes * 1 million [14:49] jozefk: Have you tried continuing from the mirror I linked to earlier? [14:49] You could consider using a bittorrent client to obtain the DVD ISO. Much better [14:49] don;t know how to continue from mirror [14:50] Anyone know of another website with a 3GB file to download to test whether it's the 2GB problem or the website? [14:50] i can just start over from mirror [14:50] but don't like to [14:50] par2 ftw [14:50] alienBOB i'm force to use proxy and torrents are not working :( [14:50] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:50] jozefk, are you downloading with Windows? If so, get uTorrent 1.6 - Its a BitTorrent client [14:50] we can see that! [14:51] oops wrong channel [14:51] jozefk, what happens when you try to use BitTorrent? [14:51] alienBOB that shall script you gave me, can i boot Fedora Live CD and use it from there? [14:51] eddief2 torrents never connecting [14:52] only trying and trying. never get connected [14:53] I had a similar problem when I used something else from the official Bittorrent website - I've had MUCH success with uTorrent. [14:53] hmm I like the name of that .. "shall script" .. [14:53] it "SHALL Do this in the way I WANT IT!" [14:53] haha [14:54] BP{k}, you shall script [14:54] ok. anyway, i got an idea about mirror. i will try to continue from mirror. will be back after few seconds :)) [14:54] HugLeo (n=HugLeo@201-0-145-201.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Youll be called to a post requiring ability in handling groups of people." [14:55] dive indeed :D [14:55] :) [14:55] will dive for slax [14:56] sh*t it starts over from 0% :( [14:56] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:56] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Spiko_ (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] well, i'll keep it downloading now. if this will stop too then i'll not try to get DVD anymore. [14:58] bugger. This thing is b0rked... Anyone successfully use a Logitech Quickcam Express with Slackware 12.x? [14:59] jozefk, different mirror starts at 0% [15:00] Can you try the original site - and see if it starts from where it left off? Hopefully the first 64% download is still there [15:00] i have one more question. and that is about GRUB and bootloader. if i install slackware first and after that windows, how can i reinstall the GRUB and to get the screen with options to choose what i want to boot? [15:00] windows will probably overwrite grub/lilo [15:00] eddief2 it's gone. it's start from 0% coz i chaned the url [15:00] better to install windows first if you can [15:00] jozefk, live and learn [15:01] boot from cd [15:01] truzicic (n=quassel@78-3-242-80.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] dive i know that. but i know there is a way fixing that problem [15:01] then lilo/grub accordingly [15:01] yeah what jonsmith1982 said ^^ [15:01] jonsmith1982 booting from CD is so boring [15:01] boring?? [15:01] it's the hilight of my life [15:01] boot from Slackware CD and run lilo to install LILO onto MBR [15:01] boot from CD every time i want to boot slackware? [15:01] no [15:02] just to fix lilo [15:02] slackware uses lilo by default, not grub [15:02] jozefk, no, you reinstall LILO into MBR to install boot manager - you can configure LILO to book either Slackware or Windows [15:02] what about GRUB eddief2 can i do the same but with GRUB? [15:02] if its installed [15:02] I'm not familar with GRUB - Slackware uses LILO - same idea [15:03] ok. i guess lilio is fine too [15:03] i just didn't use to it. [15:03] lilo* :)) [15:03] jozefk, bottom line is that when you boot your computer - you will see the boot manager - you select which OS to boot - you can set a default OS to boot after a few seconds - all configurable by you (the default OS and the numbe of seconds to wait) [15:04] jozefk, use MBR [15:04] reinstall LILO to MBR that's what i'll try to do. [15:04] jozefk, LILO - Linux Loader [15:05] is there some option on CD no.1 for that or i need to come back here and to ask you how to do that? :) [15:06] jozefk, it's part of the setup routine [15:06] just follow the steps [15:06] i guess it shouldn't be too complicated [15:07] yeah. i'll try [15:08] by the way if this downloading of DVD will stop again I'll just go for CDs [15:08] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) joined ##slackware. [15:08] or try to find out the way to make a bootable DVD by myself. [15:09] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [15:09] oh, that is *gorgeous* [15:09] jozefk, all the time you spent with the DVD which also contains extras you do not need to have a working Slackware... Get CD 1 and 2 - bootable DVD an interesting project for later [15:09] that will still involve downloading the same amount of content.. [15:10] root@hermes:~# dmesg|tail [15:10] Segmentation fault [15:10] It's not an interesting project at all [15:10] jozefk, everyone here has figured it out - you will too [15:10] It's trivial..theres a script to do it [15:10] dmesg by itself is fine, as is tail /some/file [15:11] but anything | tail segfaults. Cute. [15:11] Hi guys, iam trying to use stunnel with pop3s... while uathenticating it says.. error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number .. anybody canhelp me here? [15:11] Urchlay: all your tail are belong to us [15:11] tail /var/log/dmesg :P [15:11] heh, it's not pipes in general either, head is fine [15:11] what is on CD3? [15:12] all this is due to a module that exploded [15:12] jozefk, WAIT - if you install Slackware first, then Windows, Windows doesn't kill Slackware (it's still there) but Windows doesn't know about Slackware... [15:12] eddief2 i know that [15:12] from dmesg: kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:2742! [15:12] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP [15:12] slackware, then windows doesnt kill slackware either [15:12] but it's not giving you the option to boot it [15:13] Spiko (n=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:13] windows starts automaticaly [15:13] yeah... [15:13] no chance for booting linux [15:13] jozefk, you boot again from CD1 - at the prompt, you specify something like root=/dev/hdax = where x is the parition number that contains your slackware - Slackware boots off of the CD, but then switches to the Slackware already on your hard drive. Login and run LILO - all should be OK [15:13] have you read the slackbook/slackwiki at all? [15:14] Action: Urchlay reboots the piece of crap [15:14] Login and run LILO? [15:14] guess LILO is somewhere there :D [15:15] jozefk, yes, you boot off the install Slackware CD, but at the initial prompt - boot: - you type as in the above help, I believe root=/dev/hdax (x is the partition number containing Slackware) [15:15] will try to do that too. thanks. [15:15] jozefk, you login to your slackware - edit /etc/lilo.conf and add Windows to the config - or... [15:16] setup will usually find windows and add it for you [15:16] by the way, where i can get the CDs? [15:16] from a mirror.. [15:17] jozefk, boot off the install Slackware CD - login - "setup" run CONFIGURE - Expert LILO - add entry for both Slackware AND Windows [15:17] if you just edit lilo.conf it iwll not help fixing the problem [15:17] don't do expert fgs [15:17] why not dive? [15:17] just do simple set up and it will ask to add windows partitions [15:17] fgs? [15:18] jozefk, if you just edit lilo.conf - and then run "lilo" to process the lilo.conf - it works for me [15:18] for god's sake [15:18] oh [15:18] i prefer ffs [15:18] eddief2, you gonna teach him how to vi while he's here then? [15:18] For Felixs Sake [15:19] blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-6ca772d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]" [15:19] yes. run "lilo" to process - will work. [15:19] dive, there must be a tutorial on LILO and vi [15:19] just don;t know how to run "lilo" but i'll figure that out somehow :) [15:20] vi? i used vi sometimes. [15:20] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] jozefk, so you are planning to install windows on this box then? Why not save yourself some hassle and install windows first then slackware [15:20] JED is my editor [15:20] I HATE vi [15:20] jozefk, you run 'lilo' at a command prompt while logged in as root [15:20] dive it's not that but the problem is coming if i need to reinstall windows [15:20] SLACKWIKI AND SLACKBOOK [15:20] and that's happening often since win is crap [15:21] osx86ed (n=osx86ed@rrcs-67-79-10-144.sw.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] I figure if I lay on the shift key, it'll be noticed [15:21] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] ok well by that time you may have the docs [15:21] nvision (n=nvision@g229064035.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:21] i like kate editor most [15:21] jozefk, if you have a properly installed Windows, you will not have to reinstall Windows - same applies to Slackware - just need LILO boot manager to select which OS to run - Use MBR (Master Boot Record) [15:21] s/have/have read/ [15:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org [15:22] dive: I've recommended it like 4 times now.. [15:22] yeah [15:22] jozefk, Windows is NOT crap (INCOMING!!!) just Windows does not acknowledge non MS OS's - but it can co-exist [15:22] I know [15:23] well... windows sucks, my friend. [15:23] Windows works fine for me [15:23] jozefk, EVERYTHING sucks - name one thing that EVERYONE loves. JUST ONE. [15:24] BEER! [15:24] FREE BEER!! [15:24] ok? [15:24] dive, beer tastes like crap. [15:24] lol [15:24] it will works fine for me too, when i will use it ONLY for running Adobe! nothing else. all other things i'll do in Linux [15:24] tr0nd (n=mathias@h224n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [15:24] I drink beer if I have nothing better to drink [15:24] PsYkHe (n=PsYkHe@189.77.57.103) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:24] so what's your poison? [15:25] everyone loves? i don;t knwo what [15:25] know* [15:25] dive, depends on my mood - good water - juices (not man made shit) [15:26] eddief2 if you don''t agree with me that linux is far better then windows then it's strange for me [15:26] eh, I'm a man, I squeeze an orange, now I have man-made orange juice? [15:26] Urchlay, got a valid point! :D [15:27] we have only his word that he's a man [15:27] :-) [15:27] dive: rememberthe rule, "there are no girls on the internet" [15:27] People bash MS because MS is the dominant player - if Linux cost money, and were the dominant player - people would trash Linux too [15:27] but good point nevertheless [15:27] eddief2: if Linux were closed-source, I'd hate it [15:28] Yeah [15:28] eddief2, not necersaily [15:28] spilling [15:28] god [15:28] lol I can't type at all today [15:28] no. linux is good even if it is not free [15:28] it would be a huge difference I guess but not to that extent [15:28] Urchlay, how much Linux source have you read, understand, modified? I've looked at the kernel source - it's greek to me. [15:28] I trust others to keep my computer safe. [15:29] geez, that's a good point eddief2 [15:29] mac is good too and it's not free at all [15:29] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-160.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:29] but i rather like linux [15:29] jozefk, I use Windows 2000 and Slackware Linux [15:29] does grep support logical AND between regexes? [15:29] eddief2: the kernel itself, I haven't modified much, but I have been able to read the source and resolve driver problems sometimes [15:29] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] i just don;t like windows so much and the reason is not the money [15:30] dissociative: you could "grep regex1 | grep regex2" [15:30] being closed source, using secret file formats for example are my big turn off [15:30] Urchlay, I had to add 2 lines to support my Belkin Wifi adapter - add some ID numbers to the source - after learning what I had to do from some other webpage [15:31] eddief2: apps, I'm usually able to beat them into shape at the source level, if I need to [15:31] Urchlay, you are more capable than I am [15:31] jozefk: everything with RISC processor is good enough :) [15:31] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:31] eddief2, what I think alot of pople like linux for is it's community, that the community is driving it ahead and not some powerhouse company [15:32] yep cos the community are involved with the development [15:32] tr0nd: At once the greatest strength and weakness of Linux. [15:32] depends on which community you mean [15:32] finding/fixing bugs, suggesting additions/improvments [15:32] debatble [15:33] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] It's good to see that there is a strong community involvement, and a good network of businesses supporting it [15:33] You can chose your "community" but not your family - Any "community organizers" around? [15:33] the community of kernel devs on the linux kernel mailing list? [15:33] the community of people on the ubuntu forums? [15:33] i need to go now. thanks for help and chatting! see you later [15:33] see you [15:33] eddief2: I run Vancouver's OpenSolaris user group, does that make me a community organizer? [15:33] it makes you a masochist? ;) [15:34] eviljames, it makes you an OpenCommunity organizer. [15:34] jozefk (i=user@86.99.75.250) left ##slackware. [15:34] BP{k}: lulz :D [15:34] it makes him..well evil. :P [15:34] I have to go back to HELL - C YA [15:34] maybe he's evil but at least he's open about it [15:35] Ihaha [15:35] true that [15:35] OpenSolaris. Love to try that on this machine. too abd it won't work [15:35] NyteOwl: less than 512 MB ram? [15:35] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-68-161-220-39.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:35] eviljames: no. it doesn't support the drive controller or the network interface [15:35] opensolaris really requires 512M of RAM? [15:35] though there is a third party driver for the entwork [15:36] Urchlay: Absolute minimum, 512 [15:36] NyteOwl: Intel card? [15:36] yes [15:36] even for a headless/X-less setup? [15:36] ICH9R [15:36] do you guys hang here often? [15:36] NyteOwl: Ahh, yeah, the 3rd party driver works well. [15:36] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Action: Urchlay is used to Solaris 7 running on 32M or so, on old sparcstations [15:37] Urchlay: At home I run a headless (w/ xorg for vnc) setup, 1GB and it's somewhat sluggish in terms of user interface [15:37] no idea the modern versions had gotten so resource-hungry... [15:37] eviljames: Unfortuantely I can't even boot to the isntall since it can't recognize the drive controller. WHich is a bit stupid since I can get to a basic logon screen from the dis - which is running off the same damn controller [15:37] Urchlay: Just optimized differently. [15:38] Urchlay: There are things available to opensolaris that are miles ahead of the competition. [15:38] from what I've read, zfs is damn nice [15:38] Paradoxically, it does boot on my old K6-III+ with 512M of ram and PATA controller [15:38] Urchlay: ZFS makes traditional storage management obsolete. It's damn damn damn nice :D [15:38] Urchlay: I wish SUN distributed OpenSolaris for SPARC though, without having to setup a jumpstart server [15:39] zezo[opensuse] (n=linux@189-68-132-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:39] MoZes: none of my sparcs would be capable of running it anyway [15:39] what is all this fuzz about OpenSolaris? what makes it soo good? [15:39] NyteOwl: If you run the 2008.11 liveCD (osol-0811.iso) there is a device driver util on the desktop that will tell you what works and doesn't. [15:39] Urchlay: I have an Ultra5 - that should run it? it runs Solaris 10 express anyway [15:39] Urchlay: what do you have ? [15:39] biggest one I have is a ultrasparc 1, 128M, 166MHz [15:39] oh right [15:39] tr0nd: Tons, dude. (I'm an advocate, so don't trust me) [15:40] "don't trust me"... again, evil but open about it :) [15:40] eviljames: I did use that utrility and it told me my drive contoller is unsupported. the same controller the damn disk just booted dfrom [15:40] I saw one of the developers of ZFS explain it at a conference and give a demo. It really was good [15:40] MoZes: That is a common complaint, that it isn't distributed for sparc yet. As someone who uses x86 hardware, it's not one of my pet peeves so I don't look into it too much. [15:40] NyteOwl: The boot process is handled by BIOS, but that is quite odd. [15:40] eviljames: I read a bit of the fluff about why it isn't available yet; something to do with their build systems and the code base or .. something [15:41] used to have a sparcstation 20 with dual 125MHz hypersparcs and a bunch of RAM... but last time I pulled it out of storage it wouldn't boot :( [15:41] maybe I should try OpenSolaris on a VirtualBoxc [15:41] still I doubt sun4m is a supported platform for opensolaris or modern commercial solaris [15:41] eviljames: anyway, I have a first rate workstation with standard ahrdware and OpenSOalris can't use it so I gave up on it. At least the old "slowaris" worked on the hardware of the day [15:42] NyteOwl: Things are coming along, file bugs! [15:42] Urchlay: nah - why bother supporting such old h/w; they have to draw the line somewhere and the target audience for it is mainly for historical "pet" servers.. why bother [15:42] Anyhow, my advocacy has (once again) driven this channel way off topic. [15:43] eviljames: that's not a bug just complete unjustified lack of support. [15:43] Action: MoZes still isn't sure how far OpenSolaris will get [15:43] NyteOwl: What driver controller? Do you have the PCIIDS? [15:43] I like a lot of the features it has, and zfs is very nice. just a shame it's not "current" with hardware support. R$ather like Linux 8-10 years ago heh [15:44] As opposed to Linux, where it's current even if it is wildly unstable. [15:44] eviljames: the controller for SATA is the southbridge ICH9R and it's not supported and there is no 3rd party driver either. It takes a third party driver for thhe marvell gigbyte ethernet interfaces too [15:44] zezo[opensuse] (n=linux@189-68-132-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:45] ICH9R is not yet supported by the kernel ? [15:45] not even experimental ? [15:45] eviljames: Slack supports every piece of hardware in thsi workstation [15:45] and it's stable [15:45] NyteOwl: Right, even if the hardware is unstable or new and untested, it still "works" [15:45] tr0nd (n=mathias@h224n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:45] MoZes: oh I wasn't complaining.... [15:46] I really wish I could find ancient SunOS 4.x versions to run on that old hardware [15:46] eviljames: yes but my point is this cntroller is not "new" The ICH9R is about 3 or 4 years old for cripes sake [15:46] it's in millions of motherboardfs [15:47] anyway getting wayyyyyyyy OT :) [15:47] haha quite [15:49] The worst thing ever: ASUS Pundit computers [15:49] (On another way o/t) [15:49] The model my company provided a couple years ago had a design flaw where the power button stopped working. This is a problem in that the power button is affixed directly to the mobo, and parts are no longer available. [15:50] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] weird. should be fixable by a creative tech though [15:50] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:50] get your soldering iron out [15:50] NyteOwl: Yeah, well, I don't have the time to get that creative (and yet, have the time to be on irc..?) [15:51] heh [15:51] dive: My answer is to tell the client to simply buy a new machine from us. [15:51] mail it here - I'll fix it for a small fee [15:51] heh [15:51] eviljames: that works too [15:52] most creative solution is to sold it as a used machine right? [15:52] NyteOwl, doesnt work ? [15:52] a non-working used machine [15:53] dive: thw one ho buys it doesnt have to know that :p [15:53] DeeeeP: ? [15:53] ho=who [15:53] NyteOwl, ich9 doesnt work on linux kernel ? [15:53] DeeeeP: He was referring to opensolaris. [15:53] DeeeeP: no, OpenSOalris [15:53] ohhh [15:53] works fine on Linux :) [15:53] nice :) [15:54] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) joined ##slackware. [15:55] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] othermindszine (n=othermin@55.sub-70-193-136.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:55] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [15:58] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] someone know how can i get information from a not mounted ext3 partition? [15:58] lucasagomes: by mounting it. [15:59] lucasagomes: Unless that's not the information you're looking for? [15:59] with ntfs i can use ntfsresize -i [15:59] no i cannt mount it [15:59] used space [15:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn202.91-127-89.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:01] lucasagomes: So, you are trying to retrieve files from it, or size information .. or .. ? [16:01] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:01] lucasagomes: Has the slice been erased via fdisk (or cfdisk, gparted or equiv) ? [16:01] i need the used size information [16:02] mount and do a df -h [16:02] i cannt mount [16:02] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:02] oh , cant mount [16:02] :) [16:02] moha__ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-167-217.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:02] is it dirty ? [16:02] lemme google a little more ;P but thanks [16:02] DeeeeP: We both went to the same place right away .. su -c 'mount /dev/whatever' :D [16:03] there are some linux ntfs tools do check fs consistency [16:03] i think i've used it [16:03] Right, but he's referring to ext3 [16:03] oo sorry.. no its not dirty deeep, i need to get the information before mount it to do some logical here (sorry about my english heeh) [16:04] alice_ (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:04] i think ull get no luck [16:05] if its not mounted , then the kernel doesnt know how used space have [16:05] hmm... well i did with ntfs... ext3 must have some like it [16:05] debugfs might do something like what you want [16:05] just need to google a little more [16:05] lemme check [16:05] Or, depending on your level of C knowledge, you could write a simple program to do so? [16:05] how u did it with ntfs ? [16:06] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br expired. [16:06] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:06] wiht ntfs u can use "ntfsresize -i " [16:06] ;P [16:06] and resize gives you used space ? [16:06] though you'd better know WTF you're doing, or know how to read the docs *real* well, before dorking around with debugfs [16:06] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] yea if i dont find it i'll try to write some thing to do so [16:07] yes -i get information about the partition [16:07] so u can parse the output and get it [16:07] right [16:08] morning [16:08] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] u in japan , cjae [16:08] :) [16:09] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:09] obfuscated (n=obfuscat@32.135.165.149) joined ##slackware. [16:10] actually. lucasagomes, try "dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever" [16:10] includes a free blocks count, just what you were looking for, no [16:10] ? [16:11] hmm lemme check it out [16:11] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [16:15] you ideally will also parse out the block size (usually 4096 bytes, not guaranteed) and multiply/divide/whatever you need [16:15] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-8-240.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] DeeeeP, no just am not smart enough to go to bed a proper time :) [16:17] oo thank it will be usefully [16:17] ;) [16:18] out of curiosity... why do you need to find out how much free space is on a filesystem without mounting it? [16:19] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:20] obfuscated (n=obfuscat@32.135.165.149) left irc: "blah" [16:20] DeeeeP, that would be sweet to be there right now [16:20] its a program to recovery disks images [16:20] so i create the images [16:20] then i can restore it [16:21] slackuser_ctba (n=slackuse@unaffiliated/slackuserctba/x-283974) left irc: "fuiz" [16:21] i can split it in dvds cds etc or save in another partition etc... [16:21] thats why i need some informations :) [16:22] obfuscated (n=obfuscat@32.135.165.149) joined ##slackware. [16:23] hello, date and date -u show diferent time, how to adjust the UTC time to same as the time in date [16:23] obfuscated (n=obfuscat@32.135.165.149) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] i think u got... sorry about my english its not my native language [16:24] obfuscated (n=obfuscat@32.135.165.149) joined ##slackware. [16:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:26] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] obfuscated (n=obfuscat@32.135.165.149) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] lucasagomes: I can understand you OK [16:27] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:28] kannan: different times, as in, the hour is different? [16:28] sassd (n=t7DS@200.175.25.21.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:28] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:28] kannan: if you want plain old "date" to show you UTC, you set your local timezone to UTC... [16:28] okie... just completion with dumpe2fs u can get the blocksize and free block size count... so count*blocksize-totalsize (u can get the total size using fdisk -l) idk if anotherone is use it but here it's [16:29] anotherone will use it* [16:29] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] JP_ (n=JP@190.10.68.227) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Urchlay, thanks , and how to do that, [16:29] heh, I was trying to remember how :) [16:29] Urchlay, thanks , i will see [16:30] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] anyone tried running FreeBSD in virtualbox [16:30] i tryed with qemu [16:34] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] kannan: ah, try running "timeconfig" [16:35] Urchlay, thanks ,:) [16:36] I never needed to change my timezone, always lived in the same place... [16:36] dsdssd (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:36] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:36] dsdssd kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Raphael, the 8th deadly sin is ignoring the nice warning about non-broadcasting away messages. You have one day to reconsider. :) [16:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] Urchlay, in asterisk log files , it uses utc, not the time as per date [16:36] so i need to change [16:37] ehm, perhaps you should be looking at asterisk's config then? [16:37] (not that I know anything about asterisk, but changing the timezone for your whole machine, just to fix one app, seems excessive...) [16:38] sassd (n=t7DS@200.175.25.21.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] anyway to do version control with ssh server? like using scp. [16:39] Urchlay, the default CDR (call detail record) is using the UTC timezove , i have no idea where to change that in asterisk, so i though t this will be easier. all the records are now in gmt [16:39] thats as per advice in #asterisk also , heh [16:39] not version control rsync [16:39] not version control, rsync. [16:39] jonsmith1982: you mean using ssh as a transport layer for rsync? [16:39] newer versions of rsync will do it by default [16:40] rsync -options user@host:blahblah ... [16:40] Urchlay, thanks. [16:40] old versions, you 'export RSYNC_RSH=ssh' before running [16:42] Urchlay, thanks , timeconfig worked fine [16:42] the records are now on local server time [16:43] from here onwards only ofcourse , but i can adjust the offset totally for the old thru mysql [16:45] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [16:45] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:49] lucasagomes (n=lucasago@200.210.129.2) left irc: "Leaving" [16:50] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:2b5) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:161) joined ##slackware. [16:53] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) joined ##slackware. [16:55] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:56] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:58] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-160.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:59] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [17:00] ITechJunkie (n=ITechJun@ip72-198-61-161.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:00] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [17:02] Nick change: JP_ -> epaphus [17:02] SiegeX: ping [17:06] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:10] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:161) left irc: "Leaving" [17:16] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-234.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] othermindszine (n=othermin@254.sub-75-216-148.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-162-170.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Urchlay, i'm trying rsync through ssh, but its not returning anything. trying it with --dry-run can you have a look over this command, see if i'm missing anything? rsync -r -R -n public_html/ username@domain.com:public_html/ [17:24] nevermind, i think i need to do it the other way. [17:28] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:29] JP_ (n=JP@190.10.68.227) joined ##slackware. [17:30] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-32-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-170-181.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:32] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [17:32] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [17:33] AlanCox (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) joined ##slackware. [17:33] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] AlanCox (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:34] done it, needed to be in the directory. thanks again Urchlay. [17:34] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:35] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] SlackLnx (n=LNX@85.139.11.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:39] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left ##slackware (".. Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe..."). [17:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [17:40] moha__ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-167-217.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:41] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:41] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [17:42] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-162-170.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:44] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Is it possible to force fullscreen games in wine to windowed mode? [17:46] othermindszine (n=othermin@254.sub-75-216-148.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-200-201-93.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:50] othermindszine (n=othermin@66.sub-70-193-101.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:53] MrHales, u can run wine in windowed mode [17:53] which gnome should I use? freerock? Dropline? they only have versions for 12.1 [17:54] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] kannan (n=kannan@121.246.242.95) left irc: [17:54] will these work on 12.2? [17:55] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:55] kkjkh [17:55] j [17:56] kj kj jkv [17:56] Channel flood from nitro25 -- kicking [17:56] jkj [17:56] nitro25 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:56] JP_ (n=JP@190.10.68.227) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:57] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:58] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] DeeeeP: Thanks, remembered my good buddy Google, asked it. ehhehee Gawd I luvs mah Linux. I can chat on multiple networks while playing D2 in a teeny window. [18:00] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:01] That's just too rich [18:03] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] MrHales, sorry MrHales , i don remember wich command to type to get in window mode ... wineconfig , i think ? [18:04] It was winecfg. Got her all hammered out [18:06] josemanuel (n=josemanu@16.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:06] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) joined ##slackware. [18:07] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [18:11] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:13] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:14] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:14] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [18:16] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:18] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:24] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] St0n3-C0l (n=st0ne@221.120.233.102) joined ##slackware. [18:25] brixton- (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:26] d1 and d2 are okay for normal installation of Slackware 12.2 ? [18:26] I think all 3, if you want kde [18:26] Someone could correct me on that, though. [18:27] Ok and what is the total space then ? [18:27] required i mean [18:27] 4gb? [18:27] Can't recall offhand, moved to slamd64 myself. [18:28] I hope only two cds are required, because I have KDE4 [18:28] I mean KDE4 packages* [18:28] Yeah, only two in that case. [18:28] jkwood: That includes X packages ? [18:28] in CD2 ? [18:28] Should. [18:29] Hmm [18:29] Thanks :) [18:30] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [18:33] giuppy (n=giuppy@host250-174-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:33] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:34] impulse (n=impulse@24-116-157-169.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] DoNoBaN (i=1000@77.208.163.231) joined ##slackware. [18:35] St0n3-C0l (n=st0ne@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) left ##slackware. [18:35] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br expired. [18:37] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.69.128) joined ##slackware. [18:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] josemanuel (n=josemanu@16.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:46] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:54] othermindszine (n=othermin@66.sub-70-193-101.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namari." [18:54] othermindszine (n=othermin@66.sub-70-193-101.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:54] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:55] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:57] anybody try one of these in Slack? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=16611&vpn=GC-RAMDISK&manufacture=Gigabyte [18:58] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] G'evenin'(or mornin' or aft'noon),folks [19:02] hi [19:02] Howdy [19:02] RLuft (n=roger@200.188.174.223) left irc: "[BX] Khaled uses BitchX. CTCP TROUT THIS, BITCH!" [19:03] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:03] evenin',NyteOwl,superGear [19:04] Anybody here know of a Bootchart alternative? Or is bootchart still the standard for boot time profiling? [19:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Old_Fogie knows all [19:05] pingno (n=dantelyn@66-190-220-30.dhcp.slid.la.charter.com) left irc: [19:05] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [19:05] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay waves hello to the channel [19:05] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:05] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:05] Raphael_S kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Raphael, the 8th deadly sin is ignoring the nice warning about non-broadcasting away messages. You have one day to reconsider. :) [19:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] OWAY onay ehay orphedmay [19:06] Erewhay isway ethay oldway ogiefay? [19:07] That gave you food for thought didn't it? ;-) [19:07] Action: MLanden waves back to Oldway_Ogiefay | yafeigO_yawldO ot kcab sevaw nednaLM [19:07] IWAY ooktay imhay outway ackbay andway idday awayway ithway imhay, oomay ahahay [19:07] "I took him out back and did away with him, moo haha" ^^ [19:07] how are ya alienBOB, MLanden :) [19:08] Hehe [19:08] ouyay uygays avehay ootay uchmay imetay onay urya andhays [19:08] :) [19:08] ofcourse I do I'm partly retired :) [19:08] Lots of pigs these days [19:08] English! [19:08] all good for the night,Old_Fogie..thanks [19:08] superGear, "man pig" it's in slack :) [19:08] so is rot13 too [19:09] i don't know pig :/ [19:09] anyone know if there is much of a market in used pipes (tobacco pipes) [19:09] superGear, it's in Slack, part of bsdgames [19:09] make a ##slackware-pig :P [19:09] superGear, haha [19:10] Action: NyteOwl learned pig latin from his grandmaother when he was about 5 years old [19:10] Merchum(sp.),NyteOwl? [19:10] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) left irc: "Leaving" [19:10] MLaden: mostly briar afaik. one unsmoked corn cob, and an unsmoked apple (pretty thin bowl though) [19:11] So has anyone done all them upgrade to --current, (I presume the answer here is yes) How's it going? [19:11] feel, etc [19:11] one unsmoked noverlty briar (shaped like a bulls head). [19:11] It's going all right [19:11] dunno...you could inquire with a local tobacconist [19:11] They were my fathers and I don't smoke so .. [19:11] we don't have one heh [19:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] JP_ (n=JP@190.10.68.227) joined ##slackware. [19:12] someone said there was a amrket but I suspect it's only for expensive fancy stuff and really old rare merschaum stuff [19:12] alienBOB, I did my rsync this morning, hope to put it on this pc here in another hour. I'm bangin my head on thinkpad buttons, trying to get left/right by the cursor arrow keys on bottom right on the laptop keyboard to work. [19:12] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:12] the back/forward keys they have by the arrow keys I mean. [19:12] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] hello Oldway_Ogiefay [19:13] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] dtanner, hey how are you dtanner . just got me some maduro's today :) [19:13] Oldway_Ogiefay: what kind ? [19:13] cheapies tho, garcia vega's but hey [19:13] Oldway_Ogiefay: i am doing good , thank you. and yourself ? [19:13] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:14] garcia vegas are decent ( when fresh) [19:14] they're taxing the *nuts* off us here on smokes and libations now [19:14] Oldway_Ogiefay: i am pretty good and stocked up right now [19:14] Oldway_Ogiefay: smokes went up here also [19:14] 10 bux for 4 vegas/maduro [19:14] big time [19:14] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:14] 2.50 for a vega is very very high [19:14] even my pipe smoke, it's almost double now [19:15] i am glad i stocked up on stogies before the price hike [19:15] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "rebooting" [19:15] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [19:15] Pipe tobacco,damn!! [19:15] yea, phillies are starting to look good now, lol [19:15] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] MLanden, dtanner yea a freiend of my rolls his own cigg's, the paper is double too now. [19:15] pipe tobacco? [19:15] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) joined ##slackware. [19:15] damn Fogie is old [19:15] :P [19:16] hashish pipe > * :D [19:16] well, i will just buy boxes of cigars to save now [19:16] superGear, well a cherry pipe smells splendid in the winter time [19:16] the kids love to put the fingers thru the smoke holes :) [19:16] i must be old too then superGear =) i like cigars the best though , but i love my pipes too [19:16] shouldn't smoke near the kids [19:16] bah, hogwassh [19:16] dtanner, crack pipes don't count [19:16] heh [19:17] Smoking don't bother kids .. /me coughs up a smurf [19:17] lol [19:17] you're harming your kids with 2nd hand smoke [19:17] heard of some states goin' up on the price of paper [19:17] they can leave, free country [19:17] :) [19:18] MLanden, yea they did here. they hate it when the regular joe can avoid the libations in life. [19:18] s/avoid/afford [19:19] yup [19:19] they're putting a 18% tax on soda, vitamin drinks, bottled war, soda, you name it. gotta love NY [19:19] and fruit drinks [19:19] Oldway_Ogiefay: i got a box of CAO box pressed maduros for valentines. just opened the box [19:20] robusto size [19:20] dtanner, are you like me, you just crack the box then put your nose by the seam of it as you open it too :) [19:20] hell yeah [19:20] hahaha :) [19:20] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:20] yea, only if sex were that good [19:21] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Nick change: JP_ -> epaphus [19:22] Oldway_Ogiefay: i am having a Rocky patel box pressed maduro Edge right now (torpedo robusto size) [19:22] http://imagebin.org/40900 [19:22] dtanner, that's a biggin' [19:22] lol,Pig_Pen [19:22] haha Pig_Pen [19:22] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [19:23] :D [19:23] Best aromas: fresh ground coffee, fresh pipe tobacco, new leather, apple wood smoke on a cold fall morning [19:24] shouldn't smoke around the computer - hard on the electronics :) [19:24] Good lord. [19:24] put bacon somewhere in there, and you have me heart :) [19:24] NyteOwl: That's a great list + bacon [19:24] HAH [19:24] Oldway_Ogiefay: Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ. [19:24] eviljames, owe me a coke hahah [19:25] rworkman: ping? [19:25] apple wood in a smoker cooking a slab of pork [19:25] hmmm, smoker... think I gotta get me some supplies and cook up some beef jerky now you mention that. [19:26] 2012 is coming, better start stocking up I say [19:26] =0 [19:26] i have a good sized collection of canned foods for hard times [19:26] nothing like the smell of fresh coffee brewing and the smell of bacon frying early in the morning [19:27] I have all that + a great pr0n stockpile. I'll be safe for centuries. [19:27] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] I'm sure the aliens that come in 2012 and take over the world, when they find your pile of porn will have a great understanding of our ways :) [19:27] lol [19:27] I have more o.O [19:28] Oldway_Ogiefay: I am getting a new humidor. it is an 800 dollar humidor , i am getting it for 200 bucks [19:28] othermindszine (n=othermin@66.sub-70-193-101.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namari." [19:28] dtanner, why so cheap? [19:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] it is like a small chest sized, a piece of furniture , dunno the exact demisions yet but it is cherry wood outsside with of course cedar lined [19:29] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] rworkman: ping [19:29] my brother in law wants to get rid of it and he is making me a good deal [19:29] hey does anyone here run dropline gnome? [19:29] dtanner, ooh wow, jump on that [19:29] indeed Oldway_Ogiefay [19:29] dtanner, yeah I'm ready to get a new one. gotta fix my kegerrator first tho. [19:29] has anyone here tried to connect to a wifi network with EAP-MSCHAPv2 encryption? [19:30] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Madkento (n=kento@tutts.ost.sgsnet.se) joined ##slackware. [19:30] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] all these cigar smokers. can't even sell some estate pipes sheesh :p [19:30] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:30] Oh snap! [19:30] NyteOwl: put up some pics of the pipes [19:30] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.61.175: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: curl, xterm and firefox [19:31] hello nachox [19:31] hi mesa [19:31] dtanner. Hmm I did once a couple of eyars ago, elt me see if I left them on the site v... [19:31] NyteOwl, well I use my grandfathers, as he did before him and so on and so forth. its' *really* old. I have an every day pipe tho for when I'm working in the garage tho. [19:31] i need to rsync the patches for 12.2 [19:32] ? [19:33] I use aliebob's rsync patches (and --current) scripts, they work well dtanner [19:33] they're at his wiki site [19:34] pirving: I would expect that not many people here use dropline or gslacky or any of the Gnome installers [19:34] dtanner: http://www.ve1cbf.ca/public/pipes.html [19:35] I'm not even sure if dropline is active anymore to be honest. They haven't updated their site in ages, last I checked. [19:35] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:35] I've sued Dropline [19:35] er sued [19:35] used damnit [19:35] you did? how/why/when [19:36] It's like that with many related projects... they disappear into the fog, and Slackware remains [19:36] why is easy -Pat dropped GNOME and I like GNOME :) [19:36] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.52.128.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:36] oh .. you said used..ok [19:37] I find gnome hard to work with, obnoxious to customize and generally unappealing. [19:37] funny I find KDE the same :) [19:38] NyteOwl, I like some gnome apps ( I won't lie) gnucash, gimp (with gnome deps), dia (with gnome deps) , and some others. they're themes tho are incredible, blow away kde3 imo. but I prefer xfce mostest running some gnome apps, and kde apps . [19:38] Mostest isn't a word o.O [19:38] gnomevfs is awesome tho [19:38] whoaaa, updates :p [19:38] straterra, :) [19:39] NyteOwl: thanks , i will take a look soonish [19:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] does "smb://some-ip-on-your-lan-with-samba-share" work in stock Slackware ( I have gnome here with gvfs and build my own FF here) but just wondering if that's part of FF as it is or not. [19:41] on stock issue slack. [19:42] if you do that in windows FF it doesnt work, tried it, said FF didn't know how to handle smb protocol [19:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:43] tribeca (n=naitso@host115-24-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [19:44] no in firefox, but yes in konqueror [19:44] Oldway_Ogiefay: try file:/// :) [19:45] bryjen, interesting. [19:45] NyteOwl, in windows it'll work with that? [19:45] is stunnel used to secure pop3??? [19:45] Windows treats shares just like other drive/directories [19:45] NyteOwl, aha I see thanks [19:45] on the local machine [19:45] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Yeah, I realized that FF3 did this by accident, I thought I was typing in nautilus, and was typing in FF3...when I looked up, much to my surprisse, my FF was browsing a lan box [19:46] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.52.128.static.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:46] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:46] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [19:46] dngr (n=dngr@pcd553085.netvigator.com) left irc: "disconnecting from stoned server." [19:46] then I put my tinfoil hat on of course [19:46] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:46] lol [19:46] dngr- (n=dngr@pcd553085.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [19:47] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [19:47] must be the gnomevfs/gvfs it sees when it's getting built (FF3) that is. [19:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:47] I just built 3.04b3 yesterday, works there too in FF. Also, no annoying pop up in address bar if you dont want it anymore. [19:47] that's a plus. [19:47] MS is ceasing support and updates to XP except for things it regards as critical security () on April 14 [19:47] it's a Brave New World for Windows users heh [19:48] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:48] kde does a vfs thing too. its annoying having that in the DE though, as you'll run into apps that don't use them, so it doesn't work there [19:48] NyteOwl, yeah that's B$ in a way, they still sell it, (on my netbook at least) they should extend for those poeple I think [19:48] All the K apps work well with their vfs option [19:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [19:48] Action: bryjen is mostly irritated with openoffice [19:49] Which is why I don't even consider it to be a "feature" of gnome, gvfs isn't particularly special, imho. [19:49] Oldway_Ogiefay: The OEM's were supposed to cease sales sometime this spring I thought [19:49] bryjen, that's where gnomevfs is nice. If I browse in nautilus, then any app will see ~/old_fogie/.gvfs/samba-share-or-nfs-share-mounted-here using fuse. [19:49] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] is stunnel used to secure pop3??? anybody? [19:50] dtanner: was it you who wanted my new wallpaper? [19:50] NyteOwl, oh I truly *doubt* they will. there's no netbooks that can run vista yet. seeing how laptop/netbook sales have not seen the recession yet, but desktop salees have plummetted, stock holders would be pissed if MS walked away from that business. [19:50] WIn7 is supposed to run on netbooks but ... [19:50] epaphus, I believe it's openssl that does [19:50] Oldway_Ogiefay: If it helps your piece of mind any, I plan to ship systems with XP until July. [19:50] NyteOwl: dont think so ., but let me take a look =) [19:51] "run" as a velocity, is relative ;) [19:51] dtanner: lol ... http://www.baud.ca/2008-gtr.png [19:51] or was it http://www.nyteowl.ca/2008-gtr.png [19:51] Action: MLanden thinks running Windows 7 on a netbook would be like cramming a side of beef into a portable refrigrator [19:51] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) joined ##slackware. [19:51] I forget where I uplaoded it. someone asked about it and then left the other day [19:52] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:52] NyteOwl: The first link doesn't work, at least not for me. The second one does. Nice wallpaper. [19:52] k, I realized as I typed it I put it elsewhere :) [19:52] MLanden, yeah and I certainly will be taking the wait and see approach if win 7 is out this door this year. too many times we've seen MS products rushed to market. don't need the dog to bite me in ass twice to know it hurts [19:52] mase_work (n=amason@202-6-148-24.dsl.voice.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:53] there's a little pit of pixelation as it's been resized from 1280x1024 to 1920x1440 [19:53] bbiab [19:53] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.171.116) left irc: "leaving" [19:53] hear ya,Oldway_Ogiefay [19:53] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [19:54] I could see in a desktop..shuffling through the registry..but a netbook would be a living nightmare [19:55] yea, plus they may limit how many apps you can run at once I hear [19:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:55] oops wrong window [19:55] right [20:01] NaCl (n=NaCl@d-199-228-175.bootp.Virginia.EDU) joined ##slackware. [20:02] josemanuel (n=josemanu@16.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [20:02] josemanuel (n=josemanu@16.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) joined ##slackware. [20:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [20:06] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE75E3.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [20:07] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) joined ##slackware. [20:09] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] greetings and salutations [20:10] hello, andarius [20:10] hidee ho [20:11] onay igpay atinlay? [20:11] say who humped what monkey ? [20:11] igpay atinlay? [20:12] so you got the one on the left huh :| [20:12] I see no monkeys [20:13] look in the mirror :D [20:14] "makes you holler hidee ho, burns your tummy dont ya know, chugalug chugalug" - Roger Miller [20:15] "Here are a few updates... enjoy" [20:15] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Mr. V is a man of few words for sure NaCl [20:16] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [20:16] Yeah. He hasn't said much in the changelogs overall. [20:16] then again, this day and age, you say the word "boo" and you offend 10 nationalities, 3 religions, and 4 species of various inbread alien people in Washington state. [20:17] Only ones that stick out as longish were the release announcements, when the pidgin people said they don't support Slack, and when GNOME was dropped. [20:17] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.143) left irc: "Leaving." [20:17] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.143) joined ##slackware. [20:17] Oldway_Ogiefay: true [20:17] any of you guys test xfce 4.6 yet? [20:18] epaphus (n=JP@190.10.68.227) left irc: Connection timed out [20:18] i HATE the politically correct bleeding heart liberal commies, they are the type that have 10 years of college and no common sense whatsoever [20:18] fluxnuk3r: I am running it. I used rworkman's package. [20:18] Pig_Pen, don't you know yet, they get rich powerful and educated, then the guilt sets in and turns them into liberal elitests :) [20:19] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [20:19] hi there :) [20:19] hi. [20:19] hello [20:19] Greetings [20:19] the lack of common sense will prevent them from staying rich for long if they get rich [20:19] so as i understand kde4 moved from /testing [20:19] Evenin' [20:20] Common sense is a relative term. [20:20] anyone know a place i can grab a dvd? [20:21] Pig_Pen, that would be the case, but then the hipocrysy sets in. They can do xyz against what they say, but others can't. Remember, they're elitests, smarter than you , better..so it's ok for them, not you. /me thinks of Al Gore's house which draws more power than 35 average American homes, but I digress (or should join #slackware-social :) [20:21] pookiewookie_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=buy+a+dvd [20:21] :D [20:21] lolz [20:22] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] i mean not buy, dl it for erm.. evaluation [20:22] pookiewookie_, a Slackware DVD? by bittorrent, or rsync (then make your own) [20:23] pookiewookie_: maybe you should say so next time. :P [20:23] i might not upgrade to slack 13 when it comes out if i find kde4 too 'vista'ish [20:23] firebird619: you like 4.6? im still with 4.2. [20:23] agentc0re: oki :) [20:23] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:24] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:24] pookiewookie_, I skipped 12.2 (can't run it on all pcs) [20:24] or will it be possible to run good old kde3 on it ? [20:24] you dont "have" to even install kde if you dont like it, just use X and a lightweight window manager [20:24] pookiewookie_, nope you'd have to build your own kde3 [20:24] oh [20:24] fluxnuk3r: Yes, so far. [20:24] i like kde3 [20:25] Action: fluxnuk3r has a quad core processor and 8 gigs of ram. feels like an idiot for using awesome wm. [20:25] pookiewookie_, and depending on how far down the road things go, the scripts of 12.2 may not be able to build on next Slack as patches (will most likely be needed) and stuff to get it to build [20:25] fluxnuk3r: lol [20:25] im serious. [20:25] pookiewookie_, if kde3 is all you want, for long term, you may want to consider debian lenny imo. [20:26] blargh debian [20:26] this latest -current update included a glibc recompile and update [20:26] not to my taste sorry [20:26] Nick change: andarius -> moe [20:26] nullboy: from the looks of it, almost everything was recompiled [20:26] "consider" is what I said, options are nice pookiewookie_ [20:26] i remember when i was using slackware-8.0 with kde-2.1.1 and i tested another distro that had one of the first kde-3.xx in it, i thought kde-3 was going to suck too, i eventually adjusted to kde-3 and liked it [20:26] Nick change: jkwood -> curly [20:26] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] i'm upgrading as soon as my rsync finishes [20:27] Nick change: moe -> Guest83383 [20:27] why isnt there a slackbuild for e17 yet.. [20:27] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:27] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) joined ##slackware. [20:27] or am i blind. lol [20:27] Nick change: Guest83383 -> moe [20:27] fluxnuk3r: 16.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 [20:27] lol [20:27] fluxnuk3r, cuz noone knows how to actually use e17 the fonts are too small [20:27] i'm trying -current as soon as there will be dvd at ftp.slackware.no [20:27] lmao [20:27] fluxnuk3r: there are.. [20:27] fluxnuk3r: it's just enlightenment [20:27] Nick change: moe -> Guest93148 [20:27] Nick change: Guest93148 -> andarius [20:28] 0.16.999.050. [20:28] wtf?? [20:28] lol [20:28] Nick change: curly -> jkwood [20:28] bwahaha [20:28] Enlightment is just the Rastorman's eyecandy toy, he is not serious about putting out a finished product [20:28] it's E what do you expect [20:28] is there a way to continue a bash script if it hangs on an install? [20:28] Nick change: andarius -> zomgfail [20:28] s17.fuhell.com [20:28] i have build scripts [20:28] zomgfail: you're freaking me out [20:28] lol\ [20:29] why would you want to run e17 (which needs imlib2) and has had CVE's forever, and they fail to fix them? [20:29] i am your past come to remind you :P [20:29] whats wrong with imlib? [20:29] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:29] imlib2 !=imlib [20:29] hey now no funny stuff [20:29] whats wrong with imlib2? [20:29] i use e17 just fine [20:29] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] Nick change: zomgfail -> andarius [20:30] ".....and has had CVE's forever, and they fail to fix them?" <--- that is what I find wrong with it [20:30] meh [20:30] well, there is known exploits in the wild for it, so take from that what you will. [20:31] oh wow. [20:31] im not concerned tbh [20:31] it makes life exciting, right? [20:31] heh [20:31] Action: fluxnuk3r marvels at the ugliness of CDE [20:32] i wonder if kde4 fixed the kdm PAM login bug [20:32] i wish that ugly CDE was GPLed so Linux could use it! [20:32] kdm from 3.5.10 would simply crash right out [20:33] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] since Solaris switched to Gnome it would be a decent thing to do if Sun was to GPL CDE since it has basically fallen in to obsolescence [20:34] no new k3b though [20:35] i haven't even looked at kde4 screen shots yet [20:35] iirc, k3b isn't going to go kde4 [20:36] can the currently working k3b still function? [20:36] yes [20:36] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:36] that's a deal breaker damn [20:37] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:37] Pig_Pen: what's the point of opening up CDE if it's obsolete? [20:37] what does gnome use for cd burning? [20:37] then anyone can fork it and develop it, what good is it if the code for CDE just sits dormant [20:38] nullboy, nautilus (but it's like windows - very minimal) ; then add-ons (but not in ftp tree) are gnome-baker (like a minimal k3b) ; and brasero (still in dev, beautiful , can have bugs) [20:38] lol [20:38] nullboy, you can burn straight from rhythmbox too (gnome's vesion of amarok) [20:38] hmm [20:38] Someone file this away for icon problems in xfce-4.6.0: reinstall hicolor-icon-theme package and many of the problems will be fixed. [20:38] gnomebaker is really good tho, on par for stability as k3b I find. [20:39] "beatiful, but can have bugs". sounds like every windows product.. [20:39] nice thanks rworkman [20:39] Thanks to alienBOB and PiterPUNK for helping diagnose this. [20:39] and you don't have to login as root to fix perm's if from gui [20:39] missing icon images? [20:39] no, not that part. [20:39] kdebase-runtime ships an index.theme for hicolor, and it overwrites the one from hicolor-icon-theme. This makes lots of icons not show up. [20:39] rworkman, that's happened since 12.1 to be honest [20:40] I've had to do that for gnome on 12.1 and 12.2 [20:40] which end would you fix that on? [20:40] Oldway_Ogiefay: yes it did - kdebase-runtime in /testing has always done that, and I couldn't figure out what was going on. [20:40] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:40] nullboy: both. For now, just reinstall hicolor-icon-theme [20:40] k [20:40] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [20:41] The real fix will be a kdebase-runtime rebuild to remove the /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme, and then a hicolor-icon-theme rebuild to put the *correct* one back. [20:41] rworkman, I've tried figuring out why, and I still don't understand. If I ...install slack 12.1 on the dev box...no xap, no kde..build my gnome (with mr.v's hicolor onboard) then launch gnome...all my icons are messed up..if I reinstall hicolor..all is fine. this happens on 12.2 too for me. [20:41] my rsync is 30 mins out still [20:41] Oldway_Ogiefay: same reason, different package. Check all your gonome packages for that file [20:42] They're generating an incomplete index.theme file, and that's bad behavior. [20:42] Basically, index.theme is a "database" of sorts telling which directories underneath it contain themed icons. [20:43] rworkman, so maybe (since on Slackware 12.1 which is what I'm really using here with a backported kde-3.5.10 that I build too) I should just in my buildscript (which is Mr. V's really) add an "rm $PKG/usr/share/icons...index.theme" ? [20:43] I don't recall kde3 doing that, but check the packages first. Either way, that won't hurt. [20:44] I suspect some of hyour gnome packages are doing that too. [20:44] rworkman, I'll check it out [20:44] yeah I wouldn't doubt it. [20:44] The only package that should ship a /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme is hicolor-icon-theme [20:44] I know rhythmbox (which I build near the end) puts it's icons in /usr/share/apps/rhythmbox/icons which really messes up stuff for sure [20:45] "The only package that should ship .." ah that makes sense [20:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:46] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) joined ##slackware. [20:46] this type of critical config file collision would be the biggest problem with a PAM implementation too [20:47] pam.d/ style configs are the only sane way. pam.conf is crazy [20:47] GConf is hell in that regard too. [20:47] pam.conf is huge [20:47] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) left irc: Client Quit [20:48] when i setup pam i made all my packages to use pam.d/ structure instead of pam.conf [20:48] Good call. [20:48] gconf is nice ..if and only if (pause) you can remember the obscure commands that you need at that given time when you're locked out of your box, with no way of surfing the net as your locked out of your damn session [20:49] other than that, it's a way for the programmers to hide features from the user, and it's not forward/backward compatible, even in point releases. biggest way of engineering man hours that gconf is... I tell ya [20:49] s/biggest way/biggest waste [20:49] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:50] does it behave like the windows registry? [20:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] if we had active directory for linux, it might be worth someting, but we dont [20:50] or roaiming registry (or whatever it's called ) like in windows, yea it'd make sense, but we dont [20:50] so it's just e-tarded [20:50] nullboy, yes it does [20:51] well there is LDAP and without some sort of standardized auth method it's really difficult to make single sign on concepts work [20:51] but, like I said, if you're lucky to remember the million obscure commnands, and possilbe the gconf-key name of the setting you need, you can work from console with it. but noone in their friggin right mind knows any of them, or has a copy handy when the time arises [20:52] i just like /etc too much [20:52] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] I'll stay with a ~/.kde/config/appname or other hidden text file way of doing things and using tools like "grep -rl..." any day over that [20:53] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:53] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) joined ##slackware. [20:53] swig was added. i smell changes up ahead [20:54] in fact, your supposed to shutdown gconf before you do upgrades to the box that have gconf keys. settings dont take effect til you either (a) reboot or (b) log out,..log in console, restartgconf and log back in [20:54] nullboy: :) [20:55] swig? hmmm, maybe Mr. V is gonna build gnucash for us? [20:55] swig? Wuh-oh. [20:55] Actually... I think I know what that's a bout. [20:55] <[cipher]> i'm wondering about the kde support of foreign lang [20:55] it will be good...soon [20:55] actually, kmymoney would be a nice add to stock slackware, krusader too. [20:55] <[cipher]> i can't see the proper filenames [20:55] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [20:56] <[cipher]> it appears like garbage for me!! [20:56] <[cipher]> i set up the lang.sh [20:57] [cipher]: Did you install kdei ? [20:57] <[cipher]> but ended up with my changing the whole sys apps lang ! [20:57] <[cipher]> kdei, no [20:57] KDE-Internationalization seems important for foreign language support... [20:57] <[cipher]> slackbuilds? [20:57] [cipher]: It's an entire series of packages :D [20:58] [cipher]: Disc 3, my friend [20:58] <[cipher]> got it :) [20:58] <[cipher]> no cds :P [20:58] <[cipher]> DVD, new age my friend :P [20:58] haha [20:58] they sell them at the slackware store [20:58] <[cipher]> :D [20:58] Then the folder of slackware/kdei off of the disc [20:58] <[cipher]> let me try with the kdei ;) [20:58] give'er and report back [20:59] kdei isn't installed by default because it's unnecessary for many users. [20:59] <[cipher]> i got by slackpkg [20:59] <[cipher]> aha, i see [20:59] othermindszine (n=othermin@127.sub-70-193-205.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] othermindszine (n=othermin@127.sub-70-193-205.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:00] I hear they're gonna make a kdem series (for the metric system) as it's unneccessary too [21:00] <[cipher]> eviljames, seems i installed before :) [21:01] <[cipher]> it* [21:01] <[cipher]> but still have the same issue :S [21:01] <[cipher]> it sounds like a kde's issue [21:02] <[cipher]> cuz gnome works fine with me before [21:02] <[cipher]> in showing proper foreign filenames [21:02] tosar (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:04] nullboy, http://gentoo-portage.com/dev-lang/swig/RDep#ptabs <-- swig's reverse deps. I suppose it's added for the 'libopensyn' and 'kitchensync' framework? pda/palm pilots/mobile phoness/and kontact groupware syncing? [21:04] hey i have a nvidia 8800gts, basically fresh system. will I cry when I try to install slackware/drivers, then games such as QW:ET, enemy territory, x-plane, savage 2 because I am more used to ubuntu? I dont mind learning some things. Also have a wacom tablet 6x8 [21:04] nullboy, the reversse deps at bottom of page [21:05] tosar: I wouldn't think so. [21:05] Many of us play ET, and I've played Savage 2 without problems. [21:05] tosar: i would say you will cry only if you are a sissy and expect some one else to set things up for you. otherwise you would be fine [21:05] Oldway_Ogiefay: http://chandlerproject.org/bin/view/Projects/MeTooCrypto [21:05] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151076029.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:06] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br expired. [21:06] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:06] tosar, the nvidia, and wine that are needed to play the games are avalable at slackbuilds.org they dont come with ubuntu like your used to. also check out the links in /topic for the wiki [21:06] Oldway_Ogiefay: those are Linux games, not Windows. [21:06] Wine not needed. [21:06] oh yea? oh didn't know that [21:06] savage trips me out [21:06] sorry [21:07] [cipher]: You mentioned setting lang.sh, you logged out/in afterwards? [21:08] Or do you have to reboot after changing locale? [21:08] nullboy, you think that might be added? [21:08] <[cipher]> i did the both thing eviljames [21:08] <[cipher]> logge out, and reboot [21:08] i'm afraid of bein dependent.. on dependencies [21:08] Oldway_Ogiefay: i think it may at some point in the future [21:08] <[cipher]> but the problem is about encoding i guess [21:08] nullboy, ah I see the requirements here yes swig is there too [21:08] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] <[cipher]> eviljames, i added export LANG=...... in lang.sh, but that makes the whole system behave like that lang :S [21:09] tosar: For most things, you can find scripts at http://slackbuilds.org that note the deps in their READMEs. [21:09] <[cipher]> which is uncalled for :S [21:10] [cipher], you can chane your lang in your home's '.' files if you want for the user only but not the system [21:11] [cipher]: Well, that's no good. Is the issue that certain characters won't show properly in file names, or at all? [21:11] ET and Savage 2 for sure don't have any weird deps that aren't included in Slackware by default. [21:11] <[cipher]> Oldway_Ogiefay, look, i need to see the proper foreign filenames, instead of garbage names, plus i need to keep en as my default lang [21:11] I love Mexican, I'll try it.. *quote from Family Guy [21:11] I don't need to "look" at anything [21:12] <[cipher]> i played with lang.sh but ended up with me to change the whole lang of apps [21:12] <[cipher]> not just the filenames [21:12] <[cipher]> got it? [21:12] there's language settings in the KDE control center... [21:12] <[cipher]> i did remount my usb for test with utf8 but still not working [21:12] <[cipher]> bryjen, i'm not blind [21:13] <[cipher]> thanks anyway [21:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.136.172) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [21:13] could also be a font issue [21:13] Wolven` (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [21:14] <[cipher]> i added new fonts in both files, /usr/share/fonts/ and in my home fonts dir [21:14] <[cipher]> still have the same issue :S [21:14] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-72.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:14] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:14] Raphael_S kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Raphael, the 8th deadly sin is ignoring the nice warning about non-broadcasting away messages. You have one day to reconsider. :) [21:15] [cipher], maybe you need to read 'man mount' for the lang on the thumbstick? [21:15] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:16] <[cipher]> Oldway_Ogiefay, but what about the files that i already have?? [21:16] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] DoNoBaN (i=1000@77.208.163.231) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:17] <[cipher]> they looks garbage! [21:17] is this happening at console too? or is it *just* kde? [21:17] <[cipher]> no proper names [21:17] Action: jkwood tries to figure out what garbage looks like in Linux [21:17] and by console, I mean .. not in X [21:17] <[cipher]> yep, at console too [21:17] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:17] did you reboot or resource your scripts in profile since the changes made? [21:17] <[cipher]> jkwood, فتاوي [21:18] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) got netsplit. [21:18] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) got netsplit. [21:18] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) got netsplit. [21:18] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) got netsplit. [21:18] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit. [21:18] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) got netsplit. [21:18] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-245-89.dsl.telepac.pt) got netsplit. [21:18] rawramp (n=rawramp@static-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) got netsplit. [21:18] tosar (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [21:18] <[cipher]> Oldway_Ogiefay, yep i did [21:18] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) returned to ##slackware. [21:18] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) returned to ##slackware. [21:18] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) returned to ##slackware. [21:18] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) returned to ##slackware. [21:18] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) returned to ##slackware. [21:18] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-245-89.dsl.telepac.pt) returned to ##slackware. [21:18] rawramp (n=rawramp@static-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) returned to ##slackware. [21:18] Look what you did! [21:18] if you want to see garbage just do this cat /dev/urandom [21:18] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:19] epaphus (n=JP@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [21:20] hmm [21:20] is stunnel used to secure pop3 normally? [21:20] i wonder if those chars really played a part in that [21:20] naaaah [21:20] no [21:21] <[cipher]> i even changed my konqueror fonts to dejavu, thought more reliable [21:21] <[cipher]> it* [21:21] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-193909.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:22] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] waiting for a download? http://www.uncrate.com/ [21:24] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [21:24] i just go there to drool [21:24] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] epaphus, slackware's popa3d server does not support tls or ssl i believe, but you're free to download and install dovecot [21:28] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:29] nachox: There are some damn cool things on that site. [21:33] epaphus (n=JP@201.199.62.74) left irc: "Saliendo" [21:36] drmanhattannn (n=rafael@189-47-243-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:37] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.146) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [21:37] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [21:43] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) left irc: "Leaving" [21:43] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) left irc: "Leaving" [21:47] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:47] hi again. can anyone tell me if it's possible to read a partition table from a backup (1 sector) mbr? [21:48] you can dd it [21:48] i tried to just fdisk -l it and came up blank. Maybe it's an empty mbr? [21:49] hi nullboy! dd it? [21:49] rolfo: what happened to the disk to cause this? [21:50] nothing. I have only the mbr. It's a 512 bute file from a disk image that is just the mbr. i need to find out what partitions were on the disk it came from. [21:50] byte not bute [21:51] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) joined ##slackware. [21:51] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) joined ##slackware. [21:51] judt dd the first 512 bytes from the image to where ever you need them [21:51] just* [21:51] i have a large hard drive with about a dozen partitons images on it and a backup mbr. [21:51] <[cipher]> i need to edit the bashrc [21:51] drmanhattannn (n=rafael@189-47-243-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:51] <[cipher]> where can i found it? [21:52] <[cipher]> cuz i need to added new bin path [21:52] nullboy: that's what i already have. a 512 byte file that is a dd of the 1st sector. [21:52] rolfo: so what's wrong then? [21:52] i need to read the contents of it [21:52] rolfo, make a loop device for it and run fdisk on it [21:52] i'll try it. brb [21:53] <[cipher]> how can i edit my bin's path in slackware 12.2? [21:53] [cipher], ~/.bashrc [21:54] <[cipher]> cuz i don't fount that .bashrc in my home dir [21:54] edman007: still comes up blank. [21:54] othermindszine (n=othermin@195.sub-70-193-27.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [21:54] <[cipher]> edman007, there is no .bashrc in my ~, that's why i'm asking!! [21:55] touch ~/.bashrc [21:55] now there is! [21:55] <[cipher]> you did't get my point [21:55] and you didnt start get your configs from /etc/skel [21:56] Nick change: UdontKnow -> root [21:56] <[cipher]> Oldway_Ogiefay, you mean that's instead of .bashrc? [21:57] [cipher]: Are you using bash? if not, .bashrc doesn't really matter. [21:57] <[cipher]> eviljames, yes i'm [21:58] [cipher]: /etc/skel/$FILE for $FILE = .$FILE in ~ (if you catch my drift?) [21:58] no I mean you should have all contents of /etc/skel copied over to a new user's home directory and adjust accordingly for situations such as this before having them users login, else they live with whatever is global in /etc/profile.d/{*sh,*.csh} and /etc/profile and /etc/screenrc [21:58] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] Nick change: root -> UdontKnow [21:59] evening UDK [21:59] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:59] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:59] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:02] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:03] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:03] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:04] XGizzmo_: hi! sup? [22:05] http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96RGT280&show_article=1 the world is starting to go crazy! [22:05] just got home from work so I am chillin a bit. [22:07] Wonder what caused the shooter to go berserk,Pig_Pen? [22:07] Indeed, wtf is up. [22:08] 2 people shot dead outside my gf's work today. [22:08] Pig_Pen, "starting" ? certainly you jest :) [22:12] i think the messed up economy is going to cause crime to increase dramatically [22:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] Pig_Pen: I'd bet that in some places that is certainly the case. [22:13] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] people that have been pampered with an easy & well paying job for years wont be able to cope with the hardship of an economic depression when they lose their job [22:14] BHO will save us all. [22:15] XGizzmo_, ++ [22:16] BHO? [22:16] the us gov is spending money they dont have, it will either take several generations to pay it all off or the check will bounce [22:16] obama [22:16] Either way, big changes are ahead! [22:16] theoffset (n=ismael@201-167-98-234-cable.cybercable.net.mx) joined ##slackware. [22:16] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] big changes and not for the better [22:17] All I can say is "Country boy can survive!". [22:18] depends on what end you are [22:18] Pig_Pen: Staying the same is worse. [22:18] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay would be fine if they left me and my money alone [22:18] Consider leaving money out of the equation for a minute, and see if your perspective changes. [22:19] yeah, i agree, the corporate rat race & consumerism is coming to an end [22:19] 'leave money out of it' not sure I follow what you mean there [22:19] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.30.144) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] Consider the software that you're using. They left money out of it and made great software. [22:20] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.69.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:20] Maybe it can be 'scaled up' so to speak? [22:20] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:20] free software dont put food on the table. [22:21] microsoft's days of dominace are over, people are not going to continue to shovel huge sums of wealth just for an OS when Linux will do the job just fine for free :D [22:21] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:21] I believe all people are created equal, but that all people should not end up with equal results as a result of *their* choice not anyone elses. [22:21] XGizzmo_: What if food producers left money aside and concentrated on making the best possible food? [22:21] they'd be outta business [22:22] Why would it even be a business? They're just making great food. [22:23] becuase even to barter, something must have value, else the food manufacturere can't 'source' materials, manpower, etc [22:23] i will trade you some chicken eggs for a database :D how about a bushel of greenbeans for some IT work :D [22:23] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] You never know when it will come to that. [22:24] about 6 months else the fdic is gonna fail if things dont get better [22:24] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [22:24] by this time next year the country will be renamed to "USSA" (United Socialist States of America) [22:25] Action: andarius is just going to move... to the south pole [22:25] the gub'mint will own everything [22:25] yea it's importnat to focus on gitmo, and stem cells, and not fix the banking/home financial melt down [22:25] indeed [22:25] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:25] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:25] and don't forget how important it is to provide free healthcare to illegal immigrants [22:26] right [22:26] whaahahhaha hhahha ?! [22:26] i would rather find a deserted island in the south pacific and live in a bamboo hut just like Gilligan's Island :D [22:26] s/immigrants/aliens [22:26] straight up, turn off AM radio! [22:26] It sounds so disconnected from the reality of the situation... [22:26] heh, that's the only place to find any sanity any more [22:26] both the Republicrats and democans are guilty [22:27] eviljames, no it's just those "social" feel good matters, are side tracking the gov't from what matters now to it's own (and the rest of the worlds) well being [22:27] Pig_Pen: would slackware run on a coconut-based computer? [22:27] As though through TARP and the spending package that just got pushed through there aren't a trillion dollars sitting there waiting to try to fix the banking crises. [22:27] bryjen, probably :) [22:27] NaCl (n=NaCl@d-199-228-175.bootp.Virginia.EDU) left irc: "leaving" [22:27] lets get the Professor working on it right away [22:27] whoa. we're starting to get into #slackware-social territory! [22:27] ;) [22:28] Action: bryjen is on-topic... sort of [22:28] Pig_Pen, "Republicrats and democans" <-- you a Savage Nation fan! ? [22:28] long live Dr. Savage [22:28] i gotta go, laters good people, sleepytime for me [22:28] Pig_Pen: have fun! [22:28] danc3, amen to that [22:28] i like Mike Savage [22:28] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [22:28] Action: eviljames loves sleep. that's where i'm a viking. [22:28] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [22:29] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] danc3, yea I can barely get Savage here, I gotta get a stream on the computer at all odd hours to hear him [22:29] too bad he ain't got a pay for stream [22:29] On-topic: Has anyone been watching ext4 ? [22:30] The Dream Ticket: El Rushmoe - Prez, Dr. Savage - VP, Glen Beck - SecState, Hannity - SecDef [22:30] danc3, could you imagine! :D [22:30] hehe [22:30] no, not really [22:30] hannity is actually getting kinda repetitive and irritating, IMHO [22:30] What about ext4,eviljames? [22:30] eviljames: It's just another file system that promises everything. [22:30] That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. It's like you couldn't have picked worse candidates that actually had a chance. [22:30] and Savage is really kind of out there... [22:31] danc3, he thinks outside the box for sure,hee hee [22:31] eviljames: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 [22:31] grin [22:31] Right, but have you been following the news abuot it? [22:31] I'm a recent fan of Beck, he's making a lot of sense. [22:31] I can't remember where I saw it hyped a few weeks ago, phoronix or somewhere, that said Theo T'So was using it for / so it should be safe? [22:31] danc3, oh an ofcourse Laura Ingram for Sec State [22:32] danc3, so switch hannity with laura [22:32] lol, yeah, or Coulter [22:32] ooh, she's a beauty that one. tall blonde ... nice [22:32] smart, too ;) [22:33] anyway, better lay off the politics, don't wanna offend anybody [22:33] there could be libtards amongst us... [22:33] ;) [22:33] hey conservatism and libertarianism is in exhile, we're allowed to talk :) [22:33] in exile? [22:33] we got our 8 years to complain now, he [22:33] The dominant political culture for 30 years is in exile? [22:33] heh [22:34] I suppose, but you just got off of 8 years of treason, so maybe wait a while longer.. ? [22:34] my quick $.02...Coulter needs to be Press Secratary. Really. It would be fun to watch. [22:34] I guess treason is a little strong, but the guy authorized f-n TORTURE. [22:34] SpacePlod, she's 'smart as a whip' [22:34] lol, yeah she could give the White House briefing every day [22:34] eviljames, proof or it doesnt exist :) [22:35] Hm. Proof, eh... well, there's gitmo. or Abu Grhaib [22:35] no torture in either [22:35] that's not proof of torture [22:35] abuses, maybe, but not torture [22:35] eviljames: I'm sure that never happened under any other prez, right? [22:35] SpacePlod: I never said it *only* happened under GW, just that it *did*. [22:35] yea, we never had a democrat round up the japanese when ww2 happened either [22:36] I really dont care if they where shooting then in the knee caps. [22:36] Then there's that whole "fixing the elections" thing [22:36] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.136.172) left irc: "leaving" [22:36] they are dam luck they where not shot on site. [22:36] XGizzmo_, yup [22:36] ACORN? [22:36] SpacePlod, ++ [22:36] Please. Locking up the Japanese was trendy during war times. Even Canada was doing it. [22:36] Gargantu (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:37] oh so it's ok then to racially profile? [22:37] I'm pretty sure we here extended the favour to Koreans and Chinese as well. [22:37] I didnt get the memo [22:37] so's waterboarding terrorists. [22:37] eviljames: ummmm, we're at war now... what's different? [22:37] danc3: The war is on the american people. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [22:37] LOL! wrong [22:37] Come on. [22:37] You know 9/11 was an inside job. [22:37] You know it. [22:37] mase_work (n=amason@202-6-148-24.dsl.voice.net.au) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [22:38] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:40] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:40] It's all, quite obviously, just the rich trying to steal money from the poor. A de-facto plutocracy has seized control of America and is working to directly subjugate the people. [22:40] All are becoming wage slaves, debt slaves. You notice they're giving money to the banks, but not to the people? That's so that the banks don't have to pay off their debts, but the PEOPLE still do. WAKE UP SHEEPLE! [22:41] good thing pluto's not a planet anymore [22:41] or is that where it started [22:41] That's where it started, with lord Xenu. [22:42] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) joined ##slackware. [22:42] it all started when we decided Pluto wasn't an planet [22:42] it was the damn aliens [22:42] Action: danc3 realizes that eviljames has drank too much of the libtard koolaid, and refuses to argue any further with an unarmed man. [22:43] aww. [22:43] danc3: Come on, not even for the lulz? [22:43] ...so let me see..so there are these rich people right, who control everything, even the poor.. and Obama some how.. slipped thru the cracks and is going to save things? or is he a diversion and part of the master plan? or is he the savior? [22:44] Well, really if these rich people control everything either a) Obama's one of them, or b) Obama's one of them. [22:45] so in your words, we had '8 years of treason' and now another four? sound right? [22:45] Probably, what do I know of treason in America. I'm a Canadian! :D [22:45] ahhh...it's all becoming clear now. [22:45] :) [22:46] Really, I don't think Obama's much beyond what his bio says.. he's probably a smart guy who went to school and worked really hard and became president. [22:47] well, many would argue that they too don't know anything about him. we dont even know if he's american or not. he was 'just' a community organizer, no real government experience. and more than 60% of his votes in the short time he was in govenrment, he only voted 'present' and never made a decision on anything. [22:48] whoa, slow down on the crazy juice or I'll go back to Alex Jones-esque nonsense. [22:48] You absolutely know he's an American, that has been unequivocally proven time and again. [22:48] not to many [22:48] I can't remember where exactly, because I don't care. But I know the proof is out there if you need to look for it. [22:49] 'just' a community organizer? [22:49] yup, that's it [22:49] I'd not heard that term before Obama's campaign, community organizer, but I think the world would probably be a lot more liveable of a place if we had more community organizers. [22:49] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] I actually think the concept of uniting the people of a neighborhood isn't a terrible thing. [22:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] depends, you come from a place that believes 'it takes a tribe to raise a child' [22:51] remember, Palin was "just" a small town mayor and "just" govenor of Alaska, and her experience was laughted at. (and I was not a big fan either, but the double standard is disgusting). [22:51] SpacePlod: Palin was laughed at for many, many reasons. Her position is what got her where she was. [22:51] SpacePlod, yeah would've been intersting how played up she'd have been if she were a libbie like catey [22:51] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [22:51] SpacePlod: She was a running punch line on SNL for being stupid, not small-time. [22:52] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [22:52] you betcha ;) [22:52] eviljames, actually, she was just a fool for thinking she could do a first public interview with catie courric. she blew it and never recovered. [22:52] I'll agree, that was unwise. But I don't think of her as a fool. [22:53] you never interveiw with the enemy, just like how obama never did a fox news interview. he knew [22:53] She is un-knowledge, but crafty I'd say. She had always been able to talk her way out of anything back home, and was simply outgunned against Couric. [22:53] eviljames: liberal comedians aside, she was seriously attacked for lack of experience. Like I said, I was not a fan...it's the double standard that bothered me. there's no answer to that. [22:53] Oldway_Ogiefay: He didn't do interviews with fox because they kept insinuating he was a terrorist. I'd be ashamed of them too. [22:54] What the fuck [22:54] eviljames: which position is that.. missonary? [22:55] mbhayes: kneeling. [22:55] heh [22:55] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-202.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Come on, she was the hockey mom in a room full of old perverts, wasn't it obvious? [22:56] any woman that can shoot a moose, and kick back with a beer, and look good doing it is ok in my book, I'll give here that. [22:56] Oldway_Ogiefay: without a brain she's nothing [22:56] yes...sadly it was, but that's not the point. [22:56] agreedo [22:56] I wouldn't want that woman as our VP [22:56] mbhayes: Couldn't agree more, without a brain there's no point. [22:56] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-170-181.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:56] What country was it she didn't even know where it was? [22:57] alkos333 (n=me@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] I'm reinstall Slack 12.2 using LUKS + LVM this time. I have all of my stuff on the externel hd which I connect to my laptop prior to running setup. dmesg shows that it's a sdb1, however, the device file in /dev is not created, how do I create a device? [22:57] mbhayes: USA? ;) [22:57] and its like... one of the biggest on the map? [22:57] BP{k}: haha [22:57] alkos333: udev is probably the culprit [22:57] eviljames: since when is having a brain required for a VP? ;) [22:57] BP{k}, or for a woman? [22:57] alkos333: mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hd [22:57] see if you can mount it [22:57] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [22:57] If you can, then its just a mounting issue and its not automounting USB [22:58] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:58] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] i don't know about this kde4 yet [22:58] mbhayes: does it count if you can point to it out your window? [22:58] hehe [22:58] eviljames: this is in the Slackware installer.. [22:58] nullboy, buggy? too different? [22:58] BP{k}: Yeah, like that George H W Bush, who was vice president from 1981-1989.. [22:58] mbhayesYes, only /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist [22:58] KDE4 rocks [22:58] alkos333: so create it [22:58] alkos333: does fdisk -l list the drive? [22:59] Oldway_Ogiefay: it's really different [22:59] if so, then use cfdisk/fdisk.. partition it.. then try to mount it [22:59] alkos333: Does /dev/sdb exist? [22:59] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:59] eviljames, nope [22:59] hi, um, quick question [22:59] nullboy, the kmenu I think can be changed to be like kde3 iirc [22:59] well, a couple [23:00] forgot how to do it tho, nullboy [23:00] first off, is this a support channel? [23:00] mbhayes, dmesg reports that the scan was completed successfully and that's it's a sdb: sdb1 but fdisk -l lists only the two partitions I just created on the hard drive, that's it [23:00] Oldway_Ogiefay: i'm going to use default for a week and see what i like [23:00] gotcha [23:00] alkos333: So, you boot the dvd then plug in the drive? [23:00] mknod for creating the device files [23:00] eviljames: yes, boot the installer CD, then plug in the external hd via USB [23:00] Cotowar: It's sort of a support channel. [23:00] Anybody have experience with bootchart/optimizing boot times? Care to speculate why I have a ~3 second sleep in the middle of boot? Any other ideas for optimizing this boot? http://nathanbw.com/pictures/misc/bootchart.png [23:01] pthreat (n=pthreat@host48.190-226-112.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:01] cool. secondly, what package manager does slackware run on? [23:01] Cotowar: This is a community channel, but people will answer questions. Expect the standard "rtfm" once in a while, if it is a well documented issue. [23:01] this is going to end poorly [23:01] eviljames, then run dmesg and it shows that it was successfully scanned and that's it's sdb: sb1 [23:01] Cotowar: That would be a well-documented issue. [23:01] Will it work if i install xorg packages from 12.2 on a 12.1 install ? [23:01] :( [23:01] Cotowar: pkgtools [23:01] Cotowar: please see /topic [23:02] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:02] j0z (n=JESUS@189-31-208-220.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:02] im not familiar with slackware at all, and was wondering a few things about it [23:02] alkos333: and fdisk -l reports a different disk? [23:03] eviljames: It doesn't report a different drive, it only lists the two partitions I have on my laptop hard drive, that's it [23:03] Cotowar: Well, to begin with, package management, dependency tracking, configuration and security are all the sysadmin's responsibility, not the distro. [23:03] Cotowar: well theres no apt-get thingie thats what you should know [23:03] actually now it does list it [23:03] alkos333: It does list it? So then /dev/sdb{,1} now exist? [23:03] eviljames, haha.. it's working now lol [23:03] hrm.. [23:03] I think I'm going to migrate back to my old nick [23:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:03] alkos333: That is because computers phear my advice. [23:04] eviljames, yeat it now exists lol.. which is weird [23:04] it didn't before.. the previous time I ran fdisk -l to list all of partitions .. it didn't display it [23:04] brb [23:04] mbhayes (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [23:05] well that's a bummer. kde 3.5.10's dell latitude keyboard layout option made my mute and vol-/+ buttons work but now only vol -/+ work and mute doesn't seem to do anything [23:05] okay yea, it seems I have much to learn. I'm reading some stuff online ATM, this is much different from Ubuntu...lol [23:05] Nick change: dominian -> Dominian [23:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:05] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:05] Cotowar: Yeah, there's a bigger learning curve from ubuntu to here than from windows to ubuntu. [23:05] Nick change: dominian -> Dominian [23:05] Cotowar: It's worth your time to learn, you'll get to know much more about your linux system. [23:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:06] there that's much better [23:06] Dominian: Feeling more at home now? [23:06] is there anything that Slackware can do that Ubuntu can't? [23:06] aye [23:06] in terms of the average user [23:06] Be customized [23:07] is there much GUI stuff or is it mostly terminal? [23:07] Ubuntu tracks updates and packages and dependencies and all that. You are running a Ubuntu system. With Slackware it is YOUR system. [23:07] U-Neeks (i=555@201-34-249-245.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] well thats neat [23:07] It can be as gooey as you like. [23:08] I would like that very much. is it on a standard release cycle like Ubuntu is? [23:08] No. [23:08] mmk [23:08] Slackware releases are at the pleasure of Pat V. things are kept current in slackware-current/ on any mirror [23:08] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] okay [23:08] I think when slackware-current/ is different enough from slackware-12.2/ there will be a new release. [23:09] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:09] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] okay, and how about if i develop something, can i upload it to a sort of repository? [23:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Yes. slackbuilds.org is a repository of build scripts to build a variety of software, and is community-contributed. [23:10] same chance as you have with any distro [23:10] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:10] How modern is the hardware? [23:11] okay cool. are there any drawbacks you know of that seriously limit functionality? like in fedora you can't easily play non free media formats [23:12] I have never found a limitation on a Slackware system, myself. [23:12] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:12] But I remember spending a fair bit of time reading when getting started. [23:12] it will do anything you take the time to make it do [23:12] win32 codecs and dvdcss aren't in the distro but they are around [23:13] okay, thats the answer i was hoping for [23:13] they are copyrighted so not free to give away in most countries [23:13] Cotowar: Just be prepared for something unfamiliar at first. ie: after first boot you're at the command prompt and you have to figure out what to do from there. [23:13] okay [23:14] im just sick of Ubuntu and all the crap thats coming along with it [23:14] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:14] Cotowar, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libdvdcss/ [23:14] you just need to know where to look [23:15] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br expired. [23:15] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:15] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:15] Cotowar: I had a co-worker say the same thing to me. I told him "Try Slackware". Now he's happy. [23:15] always if something isn't in the offical package set, look at slackbuilds.org [23:15] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] Cotowar: To quote: "it gets out of your way." [23:15] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] okay cool. yea Ubuntu is irritating, and I feel with every release like I am getting closer to running Windows again. [23:16] if something isn't at slackbuilds and you know a little about compiling, submit it [23:16] user26902 (n=user9237@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Will it work if i install xorg packages from 12.2 on a 12.1 install ? [23:17] alright. how about editors like VIM? do those exist too? [23:17] pthreat: It certainly could, and in many cases should, but no guarantees :D [23:18] Cotowar, yes - vim and emacs both there [23:18] pthreat: Why not just upgrade to 12.2? It'll be easier. [23:18] cool. how about joe? [23:18] Cotowar: if you look on the ftp sites, the packages are all there, you can choose which ones you like. [23:18] well i have nothing to lose, my X display got effed [23:18] Cotowar: joe, jed, vim, emacs, nano, etc. [23:18] lol, well joe is really old, so i figured id ask [23:18] agentc0re: because i have lots of custom stuff [23:18] Cotowar: old doesnt means not functional [23:18] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [23:18] although I think on the boot cd you only have vi some it's well worth learning it [23:19] i know, jow is what i use. thats why i asked [23:19] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:19] (that's my public advert for today) [23:20] im thinking i will set it up as a virtual machine first so i can get the hang of it. [23:20] so does anyone know what's up with kde4 breaking the default keyboard layout for dell latitudes that worked before? [23:20] then once i feel comfortable with it, i'll switch over [23:21] nullboy: no idea.. [23:21] Cotowar, what do you use atm? [23:21] pthreat: Well how did you break it? :) [23:21] Ubuntu 8.10. I liked 7.10 much better TBH [23:21] Ubuntu... [23:21] heh [23:21] Cotowar: That's how I got started with Slackware, I tried it in a VM. I liked it so much, I installed it the next day. :) [23:22] I've used Fedora 7 8 and 9, as well as RHEL, though I dont know the version [23:22] well be prepared for more command line stuff with slack [23:22] yea, im excited about that [23:22] I take my laptop to class and do gonny things with it in an attempt to show off [23:22] and the more CLI the goonier it will be...lol [23:22] agentc0re: its just broken my displays just stay black when i startx, and this is the latest nvidia driver [23:23] slackware will you show YOU off [23:23] damn [23:23] lol [23:23] hahaha [23:23] jlkasdfjkldj;lkdsfgalkj [23:23] nullboy: oh yeah asd'j1q2308912iaadcop ak totally [23:23] nullboy: dude you know what [23:23] no i don't know what [23:23] nullboy: ill tell you a little secret [23:23] 1m 1337 pg r473d! [23:24] Is this the part where you tell nullboy you have that 'not so fresh' feeling? [23:24] Action: pthreat brakedances [23:24] pthreat: So did it happen after the driver update? Have you tried creating another completely new user to see if you experience the same thing? [23:24] agentc0re: nah it just effed up not sure way [23:24] why* :| [23:24] blame the system admin. [23:24] XGizzmo: im the man [23:25] lol [23:25] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:25] That timing couldn't have been better. lol. [23:25] seriously from one day to the other just stopped working \o/ [23:25] hows the driver support in Slackware too? I have a wireless card, though I would have to check the book to see what kind, a T7300 merom, an ATI GPU, IDK the brand for sound or RAM, and an SCSI hard drive [23:25] Cotowar: was it supported in the other linux distros you used? [23:25] well did you try what i said though, with the new user and all? [23:26] If so, then its supported.. the kernel is where the magic happens for that [23:26] Cotowar: like in any other distribution except you have the liberty to do whatever the f you want [23:26] I should say, have you already tried. [23:26] agentc0re: yes [23:26] what do your logs say? [23:26] alright. well i think i found myself a new OS then. I'm going to dick with Virtualbox now and try to get the non OSE version back [23:27] So I installed using my tags files, but the configuration part never prompted for lilo configuration.. [23:27] That's odd.. [23:27] Cotowar: Why bother with that when you can just repartition your HD and start using it for real? :D [23:28] nullboy: kde4 also does not play nicely with my HP. Vol +/-, mute play, etc do not work. [23:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:28] eviljames: those are advanced media keys correct? [23:28] eviljames: I think he was sick of you talking to him :P [23:28] Cotowar: Best bet is to put it in a vm like you said, I think. [23:28] eviljames: probably have to manually map those [23:28] agentc0re: null hates me :( [23:28] no that's not true, I shouldn't slander his good(?) name. [23:28] cause i dont want to go get my Gparted CD, and I'm not good enough on the CLI to know how to do it without. I have the "Linux in a Nutshell" book, and I am learning commands, but its hard [23:29] Dominian: yeah, but the keypress is not registered. [23:29] His name is neither good nor bad, it's null. [23:29] doh [23:29] cd /mnt/hd/slackware-iso-12.1/slackware/x; packages=$(ls -1); for x in $packages; do removepkg "$x";done [23:29] Cotowar, http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org [23:29] have a read [23:29] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:30] finger tail ? [23:30] ah bad command joke [23:30] Cotowar: the slackware community can always use new blood, just take the time to eally learn it as it will seriously broaden your general linux knowledge [23:30] Cotowar: Plus, it allows you to have a holier-than-thou attitude while shouting 'rtfm!' at people [23:30] Cotowar: you know sometimes it's best to be pushed in the pool to learn how to swim. Thats how my mom taught me, but i think she may have had an ulterior motive. [23:30] :D [23:30] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] lol [23:31] yea i would like to NOT be a linux retard [23:31] agentc0re: whats that ? hoping for you to drown ? [23:31] pthreat: You hit the nail on the head my friend :P [23:31] Cotowar: well thats a nice attitude, now make it real [23:31] i wasn't saying rtfm... just pointing out that a lot of people don't read the topic [23:31] agentc0re: haha [23:31] Cotowar: You are/were using Ubuntu right? [23:31] am, yes [23:31] bryjen (n=bryjen@cpe-75-81-243-228.we.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:32] dive: do you eat that with cheese on top ? [23:32] sorry [23:32] dive: The first thing I said to him was "RTFM" [23:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@97-94-110-129.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Cotowar: Nuff said [23:32] hehehe [23:32] Yes, this doesn't make any sense. How come I'm never prompted to configure lilo. The last thing configuration does is sets the time zone :/ [23:32] i have a headache [23:32] and then it takes me back to the main menu.... [23:32] i started on RHEL [23:32] alkos333: weird. Did you install the package? [23:32] red hat is ok [23:32] the volume keys do nothing now. they used to work out of the box. [23:32] RTFM OMG LOL [23:32] from what ive seen [23:32] it was a lot harder than Ubuntu...lol [23:32] eh [23:33] eviljames the lilo package? yes [23:33] only because of SELinux crap [23:33] nullboy: I had said before you left that I have no 'media keys' on my HP laptop under slamd64/kde4 [23:33] easy fix "disable" SELinux ;) [23:33] i found it easy to set up a lamp [23:33] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] alkos333: did you install lilo? [23:33] now freebsd jesus that took a few hours [23:33] this is the first time i have even seen kde4 and this sucks [23:33] XGizzmo yes, it shows up in /var/log/packages [23:33] alkos333: So can you run the lilo installer? [23:33] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [23:33] dive: not good [23:33] alkos333: alternatively, do you know how to write up /etc/lilo.conf? [23:33] XGizzmo: I used AlienBob's tagfile generator and I had lilo on my previous setup.. I'm just porting it to LUKS+LVM [23:34] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] is slackware more secure than ubuntu? i would assume so, but again, i have never used it [23:34] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:34] eviljames Not of the top of my head lol [23:34] I dont see how the tagfile could mess up the setup scripts [23:34] alkos333: I think the script is liloconf then [23:34] nullboy: I've been using KDE4 for a while now.. Love it ;) [23:34] unless it was not installed [23:34] hello again. I still can't read this mbr file. does anyone know of a way to translate a partition table without fdisk? I googled, and there's nothing that lays out an mbr. [23:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:35] eviljames liloconfig doesn't do anything when I run it [23:35] pthreat, the package for php just wouldnt install - ended up building from source - not a problem but after messing about with different servers and pkg_add i realised it just werent going to work [23:35] Cotowar: I think the best way to answer that is that slackware allows YOU to be more secure. [23:35] rolfo: what are you trying to do? [23:35] volume/mute buttons don't work at all but they worked before.... [23:35] Cotowar: it all depends on YOU, if youre wise and stay updated then youre safe [23:35] that concept is so weird...lol [23:35] god i feel like a n00b [23:35] how? [23:35] alkos333: I wonder why... do you get any error messages? [23:35] oh wait: [23:35] eviljames: nothing at all.. [23:35] sudo put-my-pants-on-for-me [23:35] Cotowar, sign up to the security mailing list [23:35] Cotowar: That's okay. Everyone starts somewhere. [23:35] sudo hold-my-hand [23:35] ;) [23:36] no wait sudo wget-jerk-me-off [23:36] Dominian: Read agentc0re's comment to Cotowar :D [23:36] I have a 512 byte file that is the mbr from a disk image. I need to see the partition layout in it (it's an mbr backup), but fdisk won't read it. [23:36] sudo icantcrossthestreetwithoutanadult [23:36] rolfo: loop mount it [23:36] This is so weird.. [23:36] Dominian: permission denied [23:36] sudo its-peanut-butter-jelly-time [23:36] Cotowar: Really if secure to you is package updates, my opinion would be that slackware is not much more different than some of the other distro's. I think that because we carry less garbage by default, we have less to worry about to keep updated and secure. [23:36] alkos333: That is quite strange, does /mnt/etc/lilo.conf exist? [23:37] Dominian: i did that, and fdisk still comes up blank [23:37] pthreat, oh yeah the other thing was packages that were installed by default on freebsd weren't seen by other packages and needed reinstalling from source - like gettext, wget etc [23:37] Cotowar, usually, if you go Slackware, then you never go back [23:37] dive: ah the gettext problem [23:37] fdisk isn't going to tell you the layout of an MBR... [23:37] eviljames: ? Is my comment bad? [23:37] rolfo: fdisk has difficult sanity checks. you need to use sfdisk. [23:37] agentc0re: your comment is correct [23:37] or cfdisk [23:37] agentc0re: No, it was great. Perfect in fact, "everyone starts somewhere" [23:38] eviljames: nope :( [23:38] eviljames: :D [23:38] No they don't.. I was born with a Slackware disc in my hand [23:38] \0/ [23:38] yea, its hard to give up freedom and power. [23:38] eh [23:38] Cotowar: ? [23:38] wtf ? [23:38] areyou saying that Slackware isn't "freedom and power" [23:38] Cotowar: Freedom and power of what? [23:38] :) [23:38] got it! sfdisk works! [23:39] I don't think any other distro has such a fanatically loyal user base as Slackware [23:39] Oh yeah total absolute ignorance power apt-get! [23:39] alkos333: Ok, I'll pm you a reasonable lilo.conf and you can try to manually install it. [23:39] Cotowar: By going to slackware you gain more freedom and power than redhat or debian. [23:39] well, in windows you dont really control anything about your system [23:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:39] why does sfdisk work, and not fdisk? [23:39] thats why i switched to linux to begin with [23:40] i have noticed ubuntu removing the freedom lately though. it just does shit and doesnt tell you what its doing really. [23:40] Cotowar: well stop claiming that you want to stop being an asshole and get down to bussiness ;) [23:40] rolfo, sfdisk reads direct from the mbr without regard to boot sects at partition offsets. [23:40] i am, im dl-ing vbox as we speak [23:41] Cotowar: well thats chickenie, why dont you just install the thing [23:41] so the partition table is in the mbr? i thought the mbr just pointed to the partitions. [23:41] Cotowar: I think that you will learn that it really isn't about that but that Linux just makes more sense. Windows is a perfect operating system for what it does. But that's the key, "What it does". You will find as most others do, that linux will take you above and beyond that. [23:41] Action: agentc0re drinks to that [23:41] Nick change: obnauticus_ -> obnauticus [23:41] rolfo: it "points to the partitions" by having a table of them :) [23:41] I disagree with pthreat, don't just jump in :D [23:41] eviljames: [23:42] Cotowar: vm it first for a day, if it is even close to what you're expecting then install it. [23:42] Urchlay: that's what confuses me...I would think that fdisk would see it then. [23:42] eviljames: I disagree with you, let my mom push him in :P [23:42] eviljames: I did that and i never came back ... [23:42] Or a week, or whatever a reasonable testing period would be. [23:42] rolfo: want to see the table yourself? [23:42] rolfo: I'm coming to the party late, no idea what you're trying to do... [23:42] agentc0re: yeah horray for your mom (whatever this might sound) [23:42] eross (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:42] run this on your disk (not partition), or on your backup mbr: [23:43] If you jump into slackware with the understanding that you will need to learn what you are doing, meaning you will have to read up on how to do it. Jumping into it is a perfect way to learn how to use it. [23:43] pthreat: lol [23:43] once i install slackware, how hard would it be to upgrade to later versions like 13.0, 13.2, 13.4, 14.0, etc.. [23:43] dd if=/dev/sda bs=1 skip=446 count=64 | xxd [23:43] agentc0re: totally [23:43] agentc0re, pthreat: I'll agree with you under one condition... [23:43] Cotowar: do you have a 2nd computer to use while you break one that you installed Slackware on repeatedly? [23:43] eviljames: Well my mom isn't hot if it's that kind of condition.... [23:43] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:44] nullboy: keybupdate? [23:44] you will see the partition table in hex...look at the third "field" and you'll see the partiion id's [23:44] agentc0re: i see ... [23:44] this is bullshit [23:44] ivan8013 (n=Ivan@190.148.239.41) joined ##slackware. [23:44] nullboy: where !? [23:44] Cotowar: My suggestion when you install is have a root and home partition. This makes reinstalling (if you need to) much easier. [23:44] Cotowar: It's the one thing i wish i was told to do when first messing around with linux. [23:44] agentc0re: or have several, even better [23:45] eviljames: keybupdate isn't even a command on my system [23:45] agentc0re: That's great advice! Ubuntu does all of that for you, iirc. [23:45] / /home /pr0n /illegal_files swap [23:45] SpacePlod: that's pretty cool [23:45] pthreat, Cotowar yeah you could have several root partitions. [23:45] nullboy: No, it was my way of asking you for an update on your keyboard as all one word with a question mark. It didn't play over irc tho... [23:45] Dominian: Heh, is that /p0rn encrypted? :D [23:45] eviljames: it's broken and worked before [23:45] no [23:45] that's a honeypot [23:45] agentc0re: not root, but as in / /tmp /usr /home at least [23:45] ;) [23:46] nullboy: yeh, I'm not on my kde4 system or I'd be testing at the same time.. [23:46] lol [23:46] a pot full of honies? [23:46] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [23:46] or a honey full of pot ? [23:46] pthreat: i wouldn't go that far. It's obviously admin preference at that point but the furthest i go is root, home, boot. [23:46] honies? blonb or brunette? [23:46] agentc0re: You don't keep a separate /usr or /usr/local ? [23:47] both together S&F ;) [23:47] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:47] eviljames: Nope. I honestly don't see the point in doing so. [23:47] thanks for the help again, SpacePlod [23:47] cause im a baby, and i have work to do on my computer in the mean time :P [23:47] baby steps, ill get there. just have to get to the summer so i can really get into it [23:47] np [23:48] eviljames: I have a lot of HD space though and since it is relatively cheap, it's easier to think about them not so separated. [23:48] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:49] Cotowar: Are you a girl? I ask because you came in here and cock teased all of us with this, I'm going to use slackware, talk and then you say you wont until the summer. WTF? ;) [23:49] how would i upgrade to next version such as 12.4, or 13.0? [23:49] OMG YOU SAID COCKTEASE! [23:49] no im going to now, just cautiously [23:49] or how do i know when kernel updates are available? [23:49] im going to go all out and completely wreck my system every chance i get over the summer when i have no papers due [23:49] monitor kernel.org? [23:50] Cotowar: so are you or are you not a girl ? ;D [23:50] pthreat: *Looks at the backlog* Yup, appears so :P [23:50] not [23:50] U-Neeks (i=555@201-34-193-173.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:50] agentc0re: lol [23:50] does slackware use a package manager [23:50] Yes [23:50] eross: pkgtool [23:50] ok [23:50] nope, little penguins with swords install everything [23:50] or remove it [23:50] pkgsex0r [23:50] eross: note: package manager is not dependency resolver. [23:50] cocktease night [23:50] ... [23:50] there's a site somewhere that shows package updates [23:51] the changelog does [23:51] dive: cockteaser paradise !! cocks cocks everywhere!! [23:51] nooper: Hrm... Now if only someone would write sites that do that kind of thing somewhere convenient... maybe as a /topic or something...? [23:51] eross: for upgrading slackware has this file as of late --> ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/UPGRADE.TXT [23:52] one time i wanted to do some nifty webservice for package upgrades and actually write down a console tool for doing so, but i got the downer from the community ... so i didnt go for it [23:53] pthreat: slapt-get you mean? [23:53] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [23:53] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-72.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [23:53] pthreat: or slackpkg? [23:53] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.152.77.96) joined ##slackware. [23:53] slackware's rss feeds are a good enough warning imo. [23:54] eviljames: nah this was way cooler [23:54] Damn where's nullgirl when the cock party is a'rockin? [23:54] so how do i get the key for vbox installed? [23:54] Action: agentc0re arms the eel cannon in case of retaliation [23:54] nullgirls are down with cocks because theyre ... NULL ... .... [23:54] HA HA [23:54] wtf [23:54] ... [23:55] what the hell [23:55] nullgirls are blonde probably [23:55] and i didnt even say it [23:55] screw you all my keyboard layout is now broken [23:55] I don't even get it. [23:55] ccfreak2k: neither do i [23:55] kde 4 is a piece of crap [23:55] back to xfce [23:55] nullboy: \o/ [23:55] kde4 is the sex [23:55] is that pdf exploit anything to worry about on slackware? [23:55] nullboy++ [23:55] [23:55] kde4 is TEH sex, infact. [23:55] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [23:56] *nullboy [23:56] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:57] ok so i had this idea of making a porn SVN [23:57] who's with me [23:57] svn up! there you goooooooo [23:57] Ah, so thats how you effd your pc. [23:57] hahahaha [23:57] rofl [23:57] agentc0re: that my friend, would be wickedddd [23:58] svn UP [23:58] git [23:58] Dominian: or git [23:58] Dominian: I was just about to say that. [23:58] heh [23:58] Well type that rather. [23:58] ok so who has decent bandwidth to host a coupple of repos for us jerk offs ;D [23:59] lol [23:59] I do, but the answer is 'no' [23:59] ;) [23:59] ...... hmm [23:59] not even for a hotpocket ? [23:59] Hotpocket...... [23:59] bad austin powers joke [23:59] pthreat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9c9lAfXQHs [23:59] yeah hotpocket is like ... [00:00] --- Wed Mar 11 2009