[00:00] Guest70463 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-24-129.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] Assuming this is "fun" [00:00] :) [00:00] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:00] Action: Motoko-chan wants a slackware.com userdir... [00:00] ;_; [00:00] oh i just noticed the domain name [00:01] is that how you eearn your respect? [00:01] No. It was a lighthearted attempt at humor. Don't be an asshat. [00:01] ozkoe_: I think a more pertinent question is how you earn respect. [00:01] rworkman, too late. [00:02] im not being an asshat, i came here asking about slackware having a package manager, and you starting putting me down for not thinking of instal;lpkg as a package manager. [00:02] antiwire, through my work [00:02] Action: Motoko-chan recalls that slightly different [00:02] scroll up then [00:02] ^^^^ [00:02] I didn't put anyone down. [00:02] Action: Motoko-chan just goes back to working on mplayer compiles [00:03] Perhaps IRC isn't an appropriate venue. [00:03] ozkoe_: Do you earn respect by saying things like this? (2010-03-09 20:39:20) ozkoe_: why did slackware settle for packagemanagers and shit? [00:03] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:03] no i earn my respect at work, not on IRC [00:03] i IRC for fun, i used to irc for help, and before that i irc'd because i thought it was the coolest thing in the world [00:03] keep going [00:04] we really are listening [00:04] actually before that i irc'd for the xdcc bots at newnet [00:04] and before that i irc'd to share kiddie porn with my norweigen brothers [00:04] satisfied? [00:04] you seem to liek ti when i act kiddish for some reason [00:04] Almost. Got any binary porn? [00:04] like it * [00:04] No lolis in here plz [00:04] unixporn.com allz i gots to say [00:05] I like the ones with 0's. 00 is nice. [00:05] No 1's please. [00:05] Oooh. New raingun and soranowoto [00:05] so im guessing that slackware doesnt have a packagemanager? [00:05] Action: ozkoe_ looks at rworkman OTHER than installpkg? [00:05] No. [00:06] It does have RPM, but it isn't really used for anything. [00:06] Well, for what you're *intending* to ask, no. For what you *are* asking, yes. [00:06] Action: Motoko-chan has used rpm2targz for some commercial stuff [00:06] Slackware doesn't do any automated dependency resolution - it still relies on the sysadmin to do that. [00:06] look, one of my friends uses slackware still, and he just told me that it has a packagemanager now. i came with that knowledge in this channel [00:07] i see [00:07] Motoko-chan: Your forgiven. [00:07] Now you see that you should question your friend next time. [00:07] he was in here [00:07] I know. You should still question him. [00:07] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:08] I hear Slackware comes with a hot chick now. [00:08] thats pretty cool that slackware didnt get soft over the years [00:08] >>> fb: conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb vs VESA VGA - removing generic driver [00:08] Either he 1) was wrong, or 2) did not have the same understanding of "package manager" that you have. Again,the definition thing. [00:08] powtrix: which one do you intend to use? [00:08] tomato tomatto [00:09] powtrix: probably you want to blacklist the nouveaufb module? [00:09] yeah, slackware has rpm now :) [00:09] one that works, ok let me try ban nouv mod [00:09] it has rpm since like 3.2 [00:09] heh [00:09] but its useless because rpms were built on redhat configurations [00:10] rpm is a good extracting tool i guess [00:10] Not useless at all. I occasionally find the need to crack open srpms. [00:10] there are package managers available, tho most of them are just wrappers around the default tools [00:11] Granted, I tend to use rpm2cpio piped into cpio, but that still requires the rpm package [00:11] i cant choose one OS anymore, heh [00:11] i love the way OSX makes use of DMG files [00:11] i stopped choosing, and just used osx :P [00:11] osx is great [00:12] and my work is all redhat [00:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:12] osx is a nice desktop [00:12] yeah [00:12] its like a workstation version of freebsd sort of [00:13] kinda sorta [00:13] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:14] i always keep windows 2003 server on my netbook though ;p [00:14] installed on a fat partitionwith a 512mb ramdrive dedicated to TEMP and caching, and disabled virtual memory, it flies with a SSD, booting at 4-5 seconds [00:15] oh you [00:15] oh well anyways [00:16] SSD seems to be a common thread tonight [00:16] time to play with my blackberry toodles! [00:16] ozkoe_ (~ozkoe@cpe-76-90-107-163.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:16] I wonder, who else spoke of SSD tonight? [00:16] oh! jeev! [00:16] hmm [00:16] so cal also.... [00:16] imagine that [00:17] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [00:17] swwet, got ganglia working [00:18] KilroyHiggins (KilroyHigg@dyn-128-54-186-138.ucsd.edu) joined ##slackware. [00:21] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] Is anyone experiencing problems with the pidgin icons in current even after recompiling pidgin? [00:23] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.116) joined ##slackware. [00:23] antiwire: The systray icon for pidgin here isn't right. [00:23] the ones in the pidgin window seem ok though. [00:23] After recompiling pidgin in the latest current, the icon works sometimes but not others. [00:23] seems random to me so far [00:24] the pidgin window ones or systray one? [00:24] systray only for me [00:24] the window is ok [00:24] ok, same here then. [00:24] dbus error? [00:25] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] damn man, windows 7 is so freaking annoying [00:25] i wonder if i should buy a second SSD, slack it up [00:25] just boot to windows when i wanna play [00:26] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [00:27] jeev, what size ssd you got now? [00:27] netbook? [00:27] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.116) left irc: Client Quit [00:27] no i have 64gig in my laptop, fujitsu crap [00:28] and intel 160gb x25 [00:28] so this isn't a netbook? [00:28] and what's the intel 160gb x25 ? [00:28] x25 is the model? [00:29] x25 is how much you over spent on it [00:29] oh [00:29] lol [00:30] yeah, or 25x the storage space for the same price. [00:30] that could be my envy talking ;-) [00:33] x25-m [00:33] no i dont use netbooks [00:33] i'm on my desktop. 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[01:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:08] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [01:10] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Does anyone know whether it is possible to tell flex to accept in with one rule rather than another that also matches, and establish a priority between those rules? [01:11] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:12] im in quite the pickle. slackware's compiled (distributed) Xserver crashes on zap\exit after xrandr is used [01:12] stop using it [01:12] how can I use dual screen? [01:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:13] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:14] i don't know [01:14] i was mainly joking [01:14] it only makes sense to fix it or dont use it [01:14] i cant do either [01:16] which video driver? [01:16] radeon [01:16] SevenEightNine (~18740869@gateway/web/freenode/x-aivclloidyzxvsel) joined ##slackware. [01:16] with r200 [01:17] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [01:18] pair0doc (~user@24-231-196-176.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:19] i would use my intel GMA but only one output [01:20] is there a command line equivalent to find what package a library is in? ie: grep .... I used to use the slackware package browser but that last I checked is down. [01:21] a library? or a file? [01:22] use the MANIFEST files from the mirrors [01:22] pair0doc: also: http://packages.slackverse.org/ [01:22] I am getting a libltdl.so.3 error when I type 'php --version' on slackware 13.0 x86 and I just ran an ldconfig [01:22] That will let you search for any file that the stock package set could install. [01:23] grep libtdl /var/log/packages/* [01:23] grep libltdl /var/log/packages rather [01:24] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [01:24] pair0doc, to save some time, install d/libtool [01:25] lordraptor, check the X log in /var/log for an error when exit, i don't use dual screen, but if i use xrandr to rotate screen and back, X exits normally [01:25] hm [01:25] maybe is a radeon problem... do you use svideo output? [01:26] dvi [01:26] uhm, strange, open source driver true? [01:26] its open source radeon with a 9250 [01:27] I'm on -current and php isn't even linked to libtdl [01:27] I noticed on the change log that libltdl was added to aaa_elf_libs on Jan 24 in current. [01:28] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:28] ill do that tomorrow zzz [01:28] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [01:28] lordraptor, check the log, and then ask in #radeon, well, bye [01:29] pair0doc: Did you do a full install? [01:29] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:30] pair0doc: libltdl.so should be in the stock libtool package [01:30] antiwire, no [01:30] pair0doc: So you missed installing packages that you need then. [01:30] Is the libtool package installed? [01:30] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [01:31] no it is not listed as a pkg that I can remove via pkgtool. [01:32] You should do a full install unless you have a good reason not to. The full install will give you a sane base system. [01:32] hahahaha http://sarahjessicaparkerlookslikeahorse.com/ [01:33] spiraliz (~spiraliz@29.79-160-91.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [01:36] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [01:36] good one [01:37] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:37] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [01:37] when i installpkg, where does the programs go to? [01:38] because doing ./blabla.SlackBuilds puts the packages into /tmp, does it install into /tmp if i installpkg in that dir? [01:40] installpkg install into "/" [01:40] stuart: packages are standard tarballs - they work as if you did "cd / ; tar -xvf " unless you give it the OTHERROOT= option [01:40] unless you tell it to use a different root [01:40] alisonken1noc, how much are you into virtualization [01:40] slackbuilds are made so the packages are in a temporary directory, but tarballed as if they were from / [01:41] jeev: we have servers here doing vitrualization, but that's not my baliwick - I'm mainly the hardware guy [01:41] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:41] oh i see, so does that mean they end up in their respective directories like /usr/bin for programs? [01:41] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:41] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [01:41] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [01:42] stuart: as long as the source put them in the right spot, yes [01:42] source build [01:42] antiwire: no it is on a 4g vm staging system. [01:42] okay thanks. anyway what BT client do you guys use for slackware? doesn't seem to be much on google [01:43] oh ok [01:43] ctorrent? [01:43] since I use KDE, ktorrent is my choice when I torrent [01:44] since I have a local mirror repository of slackware.mirrors.tds.net, I typically don't use a torrent, just make my own ISO [01:44] and isn't there a torrent client build into the opera browser? [01:44] bittornado bittorrent are both in /extra [01:45] kay. somehow when i had ubuntu and transmission installed, the speed was fast, but now with ktorrent it seems slow [01:45] check your torrent settings, you may have default transfer limits set [01:45] ktorrent [01:46] doesn't that depend on the number of your torrent peers? [01:46] or it could be the torrent you're getting is not seeded well enough [01:46] ron1n (~chico@24.115.210.32) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:46] mbohun: most torrent clients also allow you to specify d/l speed limits as well as u/l speed limits [01:46] so you don't kill your dialup with torrent data [01:47] like if the kiddie p0rn you are downloading is popular it is going fast, if there is only one pedo colleague it takes ages? i don't know - hardly used torrent in my life [01:47] dialup, right :-) [01:47] close enough [01:48] are you living in a 3rd world country? [01:48] like watering a park with neighbors water hoses - if only one or two neighbors water the park lawn, it takes a while. if all of he neighbors stick their hoses over the fence, it doesn't take long at all [01:48] mbohun: me? no - but I know people that still have dialup because they live too far from a phone CO to get dsl [01:49] yeah - and they are married to their sister :-) utah? [01:49] not quite by a few states :) [01:49] antler: hola :) [01:49] southern california - downtown LA at the office [01:51] I'm in an urban area that can get cable but not DSL. I wouldn't marry my sibling. [01:51] morning pprkut [01:51] so i downloaded wine off slackbuilds and am in the process of ./wine.SlackBuild, does it usually take this long (5 mins and running) [01:51] it tyakes a very long time [01:52] about as long as a kernel compile from scratch. [01:52] ah I can do a x config dual display [01:52] chopp, thank you. [01:52] XGizzmo, is that only for wine or most compilations [01:52] i think i did that last time [01:53] stuart: some thing compile fast some slow. [01:53] the source code is 16 meg for wine so it takes a bit. [01:56] morning XGizzmo [01:58] chico (~chico@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [01:59] hey guys, having some difficulty mounting an iso image. Hoping you guys can give me some clues as to why. [01:59] what kind of image? data ISO or audio ISO? [01:59] alisonken1noc, data [01:59] this is what I'm entering at the shell [02:00] mount -o loop NOX.iso /media/NOX/ [02:00] what command did you use? and were you root when you tried mounting it? [02:00] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:00] yes, I tried as root [02:00] type "file NOX.iso" and see what it says [02:00] NOX.iso: data [02:01] this is what I'm getting from the mount command: mount: No such file or directory [02:01] ok - try as root "mount -t iso9660 -o loop ./NOX.iso /media/NOX" [02:01] the NOX directory exist? [02:01] wrongfs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 [02:02] XGizzmo, /media/NOX does exist [02:02] sounds like a bad image then [02:02] alisonken1noc, alrighty, thanks. [02:02] what was the error when you just did "mount -o loop ./NOX.iso /media/NOX" [02:03] mount: No such file or directory [02:03] what does ls -l show for the file? [02:03] -rw-r--r-- 1 chico users 806434944 2007-11-13 18:22 NOX.iso [02:04] if you're in the same directory as NOX.iso file, did you include the leading ./ as in './NOX.iso' ? [02:04] well intelligent lifeforms use some checksum to verify the .iso image, right? [02:04] and where did you get the file from? [02:05] mbohun, the original copy has been destroyed [02:05] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:05] sound dramatic [02:05] alisonken1noc, it's my own backup from a very long time ago [02:05] how did you create it? [02:05] i can imagine the TV adaptation in front of my eyes! [02:06] you have only one copy of your backup? [02:06] alisonken1noc, mkisofs [02:06] mbohun, yupp [02:07] mbohun, and copies of that backup elsewhere [02:07] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:07] ok - try 'mount -o loop -t ext2 ./NOX.iso /media/NOX' [02:08] chico: good luck with saving/restoring that file then, i run daily and weekly backups and copying them to other drives, so i should be normally able to find 2-3 copies of the same backup [02:08] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:09] mkisofs can make ext2fs ? [02:09] mbohun, I didn't think so. The name mkISOfs implies a iso9660 filesystem [02:10] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:10] alisonken1noc, came back with wrong fs again [02:10] is there any meaningful feedback in dmesg output/. [02:10] ? [02:11] mbohun, checking [02:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [02:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [02:13] mbohun, not really. Just confirming the fact that it's not a valid iso9660 fs and I fail at mkisofs [02:15] that is a bit confusing - my understanding was like you made that .iso file with mkisofs in past - like months ago - and now it got corrupted and you are having problem to mount it [02:15] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [02:15] mbohun, I never had to use this backup before, I probably screwed it up in the first palce [02:16] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-217.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:16] KilroyHiggins (KilroyHigg@dyn-128-54-186-138.ucsd.edu) left irc: Quit: Ciao. [02:17] TiMiDo (~deb@unaffiliated/student) joined ##slackware. [02:17] TiMiDo (deb@unaffiliated/student) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:17] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:17] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: [02:18] well i was assuming too much i guess, my one liner BASH script simply creates .iso with the current date string in the filename, runs automatically by cron daily [02:20] mbohun, I've thought about picking up and WD MyBook world edition and doing NAS backups [02:20] until now it just seemed like too much work [02:21] chico: might want to look at the slackware script and see how it makes a backup ISO of the slackware tree [02:21] haha - i have 640gb wd mybook at home i think, bought it intentionally for fun - wanted to compare the speed between usb2, firewire and eSata [02:21] what I did was start with that, took some notes from alien's (?) script, and made a script that mirrors tds.net and creates iso's from the local mirror [02:23] alisonken1noc, I'll take a look at it [02:25] mbohun, the mybook world edition is WD's answer to the nslug, I'm thinking the investment is worth it about now. [02:25] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:25] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [02:25] is slackbuilds.org lagging now? [02:26] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:26] nvm [02:26] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:27] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-19-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:27] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:32] does slackbuilds include dependency files needed for certain programs? [02:32] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-87.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:33] stuart, all dependencies are mentioned in the README for the program. [02:33] stuart, use sbopkg, queue all the deps and the program, then process the queue in order and you'll be fine. [02:33] slava_dp, yup read that, but does slackbuilds automatically include em or do i need to install myself [02:33] stuart, you need to install them yourself. [02:34] slava_dp, cool, is there a good sbopkg tutorial or do you have the syntax to queue [02:34] stuart, it's a labor of love [02:34] biker (~biker@200.79.135.53.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:34] Nick change: chico -> ron1n [02:34] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:34] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [02:35] stuart, just run sbopkg, it's easy to use. [02:36] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:36] i0n99 (~chosen@c-67-191-214-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:36] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.200.42) joined ##slackware. [02:36] W9ZEB (~lars@74.63.111.214) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:37] W9ZEB (~lars@74.63.111.214) joined ##slackware. [02:42] i0n99 (~chosen@c-67-191-214-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] which journal mode is kde4 mounted with by default? I have a feeling it's data=writeback, since I've lost some kde settings today when I booted my pc. [02:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-219.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] s/kde4/ext4/ sorry [02:44] slava_dp, it is =/ [02:44] perfect_circle (~skalkoto@ppp079166031200.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:45] Action: slava_dp makes it data=ordered. [02:45] slava_dp, Linus recently blogged on the matter. As did the ext4 project lead. [02:45] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:46] damn. this is shitty. and I have no UPS. [02:46] Greetings [02:46] Programs [02:46] slava_dp: can you not handle it for a bit...what is the risk? [02:47] buy one ;) asap if its really important [02:47] i0n99 (~chosen@c-67-191-214-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [02:47] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.193.242) joined ##slackware. [02:47] i wanna learn installing programs without slackbuilds, is there a page for this? [02:48] pkgtools, installpkg? [02:48] as long as they're slackware packages [02:48] alisonken1noc, wanna learn the make install stuff [02:48] The-Croupier, it's about ext4 being mounted with data=writeback by default. I have lost some kde settings, which is pretty uncute. [02:48] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [02:49] stuart, slackbuilds.org/howto/ [02:49] stuart: slackbuilds are nothing more than a bash script to make a package from source [02:49] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: my god, it's full of stars... [02:49] yup, i wanna learn compiling from source on my own, but can't seem to have any luck with google [02:49] read the link from slava_dp and study slackbuilds [02:49] Action: alreadygone is Googling "ext4 data=writeback" [02:49] without sb's scripts [02:49] stuart, also, learn bash (#bash has a good guide) and get a source package and try and make a slackbuild for it. [02:50] the supposed solution for the ext4 "problem" was data=guarded [02:50] but I haven't heard about that in a long time [02:50] pprkut, thanks, searching [02:52] guys, how can I check which mode my ext4 is using? [02:52] alreadygone, by default, ext4 uses writeback. [02:52] Guest70463 (~elliot@bzq-79-177-24-129.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:52] alreadygone, run "mount", if you have no data= specified, then it's writeback. [02:52] i0n99 (~chosen@c-67-191-214-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,barrier=1,data=ordered) [02:53] hitest (~George@S010600179a287445.ca.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] yeah, / has data=ordered, but I have /home on another partition, which is writeback => lost settings. [02:55] / gets data=ordered by the slackware installer. [02:55] ok, but there are partitions which *I* mounted, using settings in fstab: /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4 ext4 defaults 1 1 [02:55] my hda4 must have the writeback setting? [02:55] these have data=writeback. so make it ordered. [02:55] or guarded.... I still haven't found what guarded does. [02:55] ok thanks a lot [02:56] guarded doesn't work, it's not mainstream yet [02:56] ok, good to know. i'll use ordered then. [02:57] what about data=journal? [02:57] is it more safe? [02:57] that's slow. but if you are paranoid, use that :) [02:57] cool [02:59] slava_dp: just some setting of kde is not bad..;) [02:59] can i remove dependencies with removepkg [02:59] no [02:59] you remove packages with removepkg [02:59] dependencies are up to you [03:00] alreadygone, also, man mount and search for barrier, seems to be a needed option too. it is set for rootfs too. [03:01] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:02] The-Croupier, yeah, ok. what if it's a day's worth of work? [03:02] stuart, take a look at the build script. Most of the time you can omit some dependancies. [03:03] Action: slava_dp got to go [03:03] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [03:03] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.200.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:03] okay thanks. [03:04] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:06] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:06] so if i installed a bunch of dependencies for one program, and decide to removepkg, i gotta manually remove all the dependencies? or at least sbopkg and select? [03:07] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.99) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:07] Nick change: surround1r -> surrounder [03:11] you'll have to remove them manually [03:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:12] if you really want slackware with dependancies then you can look at the Vectorlinux distro [03:14] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:14] sbopkg doesn't remove packages - but yes, if you installed dependent packages, you have to remove them manually. just make sure other packages don't depend on them as well [03:15] pprkut_ (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [03:15] i0n99 (chosen@c-67-191-214-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [03:16] stuart: yes [03:16] that's what no dependency checking entails :) [03:17] hm, messy. and the only way to know what dependencies i have is through sbopkg? [03:19] hitest (~George@S010600179a287445.ca.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:19] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:19] pprkut (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:19] Nick change: pprkut_ -> pprkut [03:19] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:20] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:20] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) joined ##slackware. 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[03:33] stuart: actually, dependencies should be listed in the readme and package.txt file [03:35] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:36] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:36] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [03:36] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [03:39] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:41] do you guys compile latest kernels to slackware on a regular basis? [03:44] Some do, some don't. [03:44] some do on home machines, but use stock on work machines [03:44] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434976.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:45] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434976.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:45] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [03:45] Hello everyone :) [03:46] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:46] beccara (~chatzilla@58.84.237.98) joined ##slackware. [03:46] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:46] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [03:46] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [03:48] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:50] okay so i wanna learn to compile stuff on my own instead of using slackbuilds [03:50] i download adobereader.tar.gz, tar -xzvf, cd dir, but can't ./configure? [03:50] it says no such file or directory [03:51] is that a source tarball or a binary tarball [03:52] where did you get that tarball ? Adobe's site just gives me a .bin file [03:53] ah stupid me, it's a binary [03:54] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [03:56] jrodger (~jrodger@203-12-164-164.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[04:08] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:12] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.199.86) joined ##slackware. [04:13] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [04:16] hi, I have put this in my fstab: /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4 ext4 rw,data=ordered,barrier=1 1 1 [04:16] and "mount" shows: /dev/hda4 on /mnt/hda4 type ext4 (rw) is it normal? Why the the options I put in fstab not showing? [04:17] it just says (rw) [04:18] AFAIK it's normal [04:18] do I have to restart the system? [04:18] Don't think so [04:18] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] after umount, I mounted the filesystem with mount -t ext4 /dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4 [04:19] no other option was specified, so may be the hda4 is still using data=writeback [04:19] gh0st_ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [04:19] how can i unpack rpm? [04:20] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:20] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [04:20] hm, i activated ssh, but i can't seem to ssh to myself because i'm on a router [04:21] gh0st_, rpm2cpio RPM_file | cpio -idv [04:21] gh0st_, you may want to take a look at http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/cpio_command.html [04:22] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:23] alreadygone, if you put hda4 in your fstab and type mount -a it will mount it according to fstab's settings [04:23] alreadygone: "barrier" is not an option for ext4 I think [04:23] Axtroz: thanks [04:23] so no need to reboot [04:23] Axtroz: cpio: premature end of archive, where is going unpacked folder? [04:23] And "ordered" is the default anyway [04:23] gh0st_, in your current dir [04:24] alienBOB, /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,barrier=1,data=ordered) that is by default... it says barrier=1, so put that in my mount command too [04:24] Axtroz: yes, but nothing there [04:25] and 'ordered' is enabled by default for the partitions *I* mount too? the ones added/created/formatted *after* slackware 13 was installed? [04:26] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:26] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:26] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-195-228.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [04:26] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:27] gh0st_, http://pastebin.com/aY6tC8gz <-- works fine. Perhaps RPM corruption ? [04:29] SYN4PS3 (~chatzilla@188.158.96.11) joined ##slackware. [04:29] yes it's a corrupted rpm [04:29] can anyone ssh to my IP 115.135.76.129 and tell me if it's allowed [04:29] Axtroz: but thank you Mr. Axtroz [04:30] gh0st_, anytime :) [04:30] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:30] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [04:30] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:31] stuart: no response [04:31] setsockopt(PACKET_MR_PROMISC) failed: Invalid argument [04:31] hm i can ssh to 127.0.0.1 but i can't ssh to my real IP because i'm on a router. any fixes? [04:32] does your routerallow ssh traffic? [04:32] jrodger, should be, because i forwarded port 22 on the config page [04:32] stuart, try opening port 22 in your router's configuration [04:32] do i allow UDP or TCP? [04:32] Hm, don't know, maybe both? [04:33] what is that - invalid argument [04:33] there's a file in etc which will tell you which.....I'm trying to remember which one,hang on [04:33] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:34] silvergun (~silvergun@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] stuart, this could come in handy [04:34] http://www.whatsmyip.org/ports/ [04:34] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.28.207.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:35] okay port 22 is open, can you guys try ssh'ing again thanks [04:35] The authenticity of host '115.135.76.129 (115.135.76.129)' can't be established. [04:35] RSA key fingerprint is 75:d5:cc:2d:26:57:c3:45:e5:57:34:4e:0c:7f:07:ca. [04:35] Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? [04:36] so it's connectable finally. but what does that warning mean [04:36] it is normally [04:36] the client isn't known yet [04:36] aaa [04:36] can't be established [04:36] means your host doesn't have the remote host keys for host authentication [04:36] yes [04:37] Warning: Permanently added '115.135.76.129' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. [04:37] root@115.135.76.129's password: [04:37] no i'm going to decrypt the pass :P [04:37] :))))))))) [04:37] stuart: I'm asked for a password [04:37] haha dang i gotta disable root login [04:37] its connectable :) [04:38] stuart: PermitRootLogin no [04:38] :P [04:38] well done! [04:38] surrounder, which file? [04:38] stuart: sshd_config [04:39] /etc/ssh/sshd_config [04:39] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-75-58-84-91.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] hello all [04:39] hey functionoverform [04:39] anybody have any remote idea of how to get ninjavideo working on slackware? [04:40] ninjavideo [04:40] :)))))) [04:40] i got mplayer, and i used this greasmonkey script, and it worked a total of once [04:40] lol [04:40] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:40] that's why i'm so confused right now.. [04:40] gh0st_ (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Quit: Everyone hates me because I'm paranoid. [04:42] eh, i edited my sshd.conf, kill -HUP mysshdPID but i still can login as root? [04:44] Axius (~hi@92.85.211.9) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:46] try /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd stop && /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start [04:46] Jimmen (~Devilman@host137-61-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:47] okay cool [04:48] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:49] oh i didn't uncomment the PermitRoot line [04:49] :> [04:49] is it actually unencryptable if i allow rootlogin [04:50] hello [04:50] F15ch3r, hi [04:50] is there a good documentation about bridging except the official how to [04:52] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Axius (~hi@92.85.211.9) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:53] also, how do i disconnect users who are logged into my ssh [04:53] F15ch3r, I don't know but have you read this ? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bridge [04:54] stuart, just stop the sshd process and they'll be cut off [04:54] Axtroz, thank you friend [04:54] anytime :) [04:55] oh good it's more accurate than the official how to thanks a lot [04:57] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [04:59] ahou (user-32061@p5799EBC7.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [05:00] Newbieslacker (~Usuario@190.30.88.48) joined ##slackware. [05:02] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [05:06] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [05:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. 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[05:36] Zordrak, i plan to install directly from source, without slackbuilds, which directory do people usually install apache to [05:36] /usr [05:37] why in hell would you recompile from source without using the slackbuild as a template?L [05:37] Zordrak, just wanna mess around compiling on my own [05:37] well then use the slackbuild as a learning tool [05:37] go to the slackware source and open up the apache slackbuild [05:38] it shows you precisely how apache is compiled from slackware, how and where it is installed etc etc [05:38] k cool [05:38] you can deviate from it however you wish... but when you install it, dont do it from the source [05:39] do a `make install DESTDIR=/tmp/package-apache ; cd /tmp/package-apache ; makepkg -l y -c n apache---1.txz` [05:40] that way you can easily remove or upgrade it with a stock package later [05:41] which file is it on slackbuilds btw [05:41] its not on slackbuilds.org [05:41] its part of the slackware source [05:42] look on a mirror in /slackware-13.0/source [05:42] or -current or whatever [05:42] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. 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[06:13] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:13] upgrade kernel [06:13] actually, follow the instructions in the kernel build readme's [06:14] there are plenty of howtos on the web for changing the linux logo.\ [06:14] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:14] Action: slava_dp changed it to a pirate penguin just last week [06:15] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:15] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [06:17] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.28.207.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:18] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:21] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:22] so i have apache running, and initially it said "it works!" [06:22] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:22] also, do you know how can i get rid of Kate's left panel (the list with document's name) and how can i make gate show a gedit-like dialog that warns me about the document reload? it's useful when monitoring logs [06:23] but after i edited /etc/httpd/httpd.conf and changed the DocumentRoot to /var/www .. i get a Forbidden error [06:23] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:23] how do i get it to show my index.html [06:23] stuart: you had the root in /var/www/htdocs? [06:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:23] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [06:24] Azeotrope, yea, why? i chmod 777 to /var/www too though [06:24] Azeotrope, try kwrite? it always showed me the file reload dialog [06:24] stuart: i wanted to do that just now, but if you had problems with it... [06:24] stuart, never chmod 777. permissions are for a reason. [06:25] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [06:25] i just let it in htdocs and allowed only root to modify/write [06:25] stuart, there is /etc/httpd/extra/httpd-userdir.conf, you should probably use that, and not fiddle with /var/www/htdocs. [06:28] stuart: you are now beyond slackware config into the basics of apache administration. I suggest reading around the topic carefully. Dont be too hasty with your actions. Apache admin is not simple. [06:30] sure, thanks [06:34] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:34] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:35] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:36] gh0st (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [06:36] tcpdump: WARNING: setsockopt: Invalid argument [06:37] stuart: out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to change the documentroot? [06:39] reaper_ (~reaper@ppp-94-64-143-66.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:39] hi [06:39] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] who can help me [06:41] i install bespin and and i can't change bispin style [06:41] or add [06:41] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:42] bespin style [06:42] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [06:42] gh0st: which kernel are you running? [06:42] 2.6.29 [06:42] 2.6.34-rc1 [06:43] gh0st: and you don't know how to google? first hit on google for that error shows that exact kernel version is broken [06:43] ananke: i googled it but nothing.. [06:43] haha so i screwed up, how do i uninstall apache that i compiled manually from source? [06:43] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:43] gh0st: first hit: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2010-03/msg04009.html [06:43] stuart: wtf would you compile your own apache? [06:44] ananke, no idea just fooled around [06:44] hm?!?! [06:44] gh0st: yes? [06:44] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:44] stuart: your best bet is to try make uninstall. [06:45] kerneloops.org :-) [06:45] ananke, in which directory? because it says *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. [06:45] ananke: that wouldn't work [06:45] stuart: in the source directory [06:45] have to put another kernel instead [06:45] like slackware's maybe [06:45] Camarade_Tux: what wouldn't work? [06:45] ananke: yes yes thanks [06:45] ananke: argh, mixed two nicks, thought you were speaking about the kernel ;-) [06:46] but i googled 30m everything how did u find it strange :))))) [06:46] Camarade_Tux: :) [06:46] gh0st: i googled for that exact string [06:46] http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=tcpdump:+WARNING:+setsockopt:+Invalid+argument [06:46] ok.. [06:46] ananke, doesn't work in the source dir either [06:46] stuart: then you're SOL [06:47] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl6-209-178.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:48] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-3-232.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Disconnected by services [06:48] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [06:50] how can i patch patch-2.6.34-rc1-git1.bz2 ? [06:50] i never patched before [06:50] patch -p0 < patch-2.6.34-rc1-git1 ? [06:51] are you sure you need 2.6.34-rc1 in the first place? [06:51] yes yes [06:52] sure you do, sure you do [06:52] i can't unpack it [06:52] -jxvf ? [06:53] stuart: why did you not listen? [06:53] why are you running this kernel???????? [06:53] 10:39:34 < Zordrak> do a `make install DESTDIR=/tmp/package-apache ; cd /tmp/package-apache ; makepkg -l y -c n apache---1.txz` [06:53] 10:39:48 < Zordrak> that way you can easily remove or upgrade it with a stock package later [06:53] what's the word for male fairy in english? [06:53] Azeotrope: fairy [06:53] Emeau_ (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-66-15.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:54] haha [06:54] i guess a reinstall is in order [06:54] >.< [06:54] gonna make it a cleaner install this time [06:54] it's interesting to see the self-imposed problems of stuart and gh0st: inviting trouble for no good reason [06:54] how can i unpack and patch patch-2.6.34-rc1-git1.bz2 ? [06:54] hahahaa [06:55] interesting is one wordh [06:55] anyways is it worth customizing the slackware install cos i don't feel comfortable with so many things on my HD with the full install [06:55] stuart: you should [06:55] having everything installed is not a problem.. having everything *running* is [06:55] stuart: you tell us. what exactly such 'customization' would benefit you with? [06:56] you should make a clear distinction between installed and running [06:56] ananke, like simplifying the installation [06:56] Zordrak, kays [06:56] if disk space is not restricted.. do the full install [06:56] its recommended for a reason [06:56] definitely go for the full install [06:56] like we dont install directly from source for a reason .... ^^ [06:56] did anyone encountered this problem with Tor? Mar 10 11:55:49.529 [Warning] TLS error: unexpected close while renegotiating [06:56] haha now i see why Zordrak [06:57] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:57] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-57-175.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:57] reaper_ (~reaper@ppp-94-64-143-66.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: ‘À¿ÇÎÁ·Ãµ [06:57] D3lahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:58] stuart: When you are learning Red Hat, Do As You're Told. When you are experienced with Red Hat, Do As You're Told. [06:58] stuart: When you are learning Slackware, Do As You're Told. When you are experienced with Slackware, Do As You Please. [06:59] stuart: and you really ought to ask yourself a question: what exactly am i trying to accomplish by doing things in a non-standard way? [06:59] ananke, prolly just to know how this thing works, and how things get screwed up [06:59] good knowledge i must say [06:59] now i don't know if i wanna reformat this partition again [07:00] entirely depends exactly what you did with apache [07:00] because having a non-standard apache installed and running badly kinda bothers me. i kinda found the real slackware copy now [07:00] gh0st (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Quit: There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. [07:00] so i have 2 apache's + 2 httpd.conf files etc etc. argh [07:01] reformat. full install. follow process. [07:01] learn from mistakes. [07:01] stuart: breaking things for the sake of breaking may result in people getting tired of helping you. you might consider that for the future [07:02] Action: Zordrak hands ananke some of his freshly made french roast made from beans ground 5 minutes ago. [07:02] doh, good point. my coffee is getting cold [07:02] deftunix (~deftunix@93-63-174-221.ip28.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:03] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.199.86) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:03] k [07:03] darnit. monoprice's website is still down [07:04] gonna wait till i'm done with some torrents, back it up and reformat [07:05] stuart: and seriously, go with the software that's provided by your distribution. use that first. it's there for a reason - so you can focus your efforts on configuring it, rather than compiling it from source. otherwise, what's the point of using a distribution in the first place and not LFS? [07:05] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [07:06] once you determine the included software is lacking some essential functionality to accomplish the task you want, then you can proceed with removing the package and compiling your own [07:06] solid. kay will see u guys in a bit, brb. [07:07] D3lahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:07] and for software that acts as internet facing services, compiling your own poses an extra responsibility on you: now you have to recompile it/patch it whenever there are known vurnabilities [07:07] [rather than being able to take advantage of patched packages issued by your distro] [07:07] solid? [07:08] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [07:08] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.193.242) left irc: Quit: http://www.1st-vets.com [07:08] Gr1nch_ (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [07:09] pupiteee (~p@93.86.236.254) joined ##slackware. [07:10] hello [07:12] Crimius (~crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] Where can i find out about networking and internet? i want to clarify terms and techs as ADSL, VDSL, etc [07:13] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [07:13] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [07:13] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Azeotrope: um. google. [07:13] Azeotrope: or university. [07:13] wikipedia tooo [07:13] Azeotrope: or community college. [07:13] Crimius: google implies wikipedia [07:14] google != wikipedia :) [07:14] alisonken1noc: indeed... but what happens if you google an acronym such as adsl? [07:14] but google likely leads to wikipedia [07:14] you get a whole bunch of stuff [07:14] wikipedia is just one [07:14] and the first result is..... [07:15] the im feeling lucky is [07:15] of course [07:15] its wiki page [07:17] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] I'm sure that googling for "adsl" gives results about sex too [07:22] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:23] anyone running slack on an acer aspire netbook? [07:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [07:29] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:34] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:35] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Hi Dell Latitude 2100 netbook here with slack 13.0 . When I start KDE i get sound error alc272 analog does not work. But if I got in a terminal and mpg123 file.mp3 I can hear the mp3. But from KDE no sound at all. WHen I goto system settings Multimedia I see Esound (ESD) and HDA Intel (ALC272 analog) when i click Test on any of them errors. I ran alsaconf it is alsa 1.0.21 here - anyone can help? [07:35] don't use ESD [07:36] James____: do you have any more verbose error messages? [07:37] how can i check [07:37] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:37] it is very strange in console i can play mp3s fine with mpg123 [07:37] but in kde no sounds at all [07:37] if i use graphics mp3 player or visit youtube [07:39] when i goto multimedia system settings and roll momuse over HDA Intel ALC272 Analog it says [07:39] 1: alsa: x-phonon:card=0,DEV00 2: ALSA: plughw: CARD=0,DEV=0 3: OSS: /dev/dsp 4: OSS: /dev/audio [07:39] try 2 - alsa plughw [07:40] AtuM (~damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] i can ot do anything [07:41] the text just comes [07:41] when i have mouse on it [07:41] i cant edit it or anything [07:42] i also ran alsaconf and then it detects hda-intel Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Familiy) High Definition Audio [07:42] then i select that one [07:42] and it ask to put in /etc/modprobe.d/sound [07:42] and I click yes [07:42] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-47-117.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [07:42] nice, seamonkey is reading my /etc/passwd, it or the flash plugin [07:42] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [07:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:43] and some errors at http://pastebin.ca/1831748 [07:44] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Excess Flood [07:44] did you use alsaconfig && alsamixer to set levels && alsactl store first? [07:44] yes [07:44] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] I've got a tricky situation: I have 4 disks in my server. First two are used within raid1 array, the last two are JBOD. LSI tends to initialize the JBODs first, so that the raid1 array (the system disk array) becomes visible as /dev/sdc. Now in case one of the JBODs fail, the system doesn't boot. Disk order cannot be changed within controller. I use LILO... the reiserfs is too old to use labels.. what else can I try to have a bootable sys [07:44] tem after failure of a JBOD disk ?? [07:46] when i run alsaconf it comes with the unknown hardware hda-intel Realtek ALC272 [07:46] error at http://pastebin.ca/1831748 [07:47] AtuM, how come you can't use labels? use UUID's then. [07:47] deftunix (~deftunix@93-63-174-221.ip28.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:47] slava_dp, does labels work with raid volumes? [07:47] Zordrak, I run slackware on an acer travelmate from 1.5 years ago. slack 12.2, to be precise. [07:48] my mum is bugging me about netbooks.. im bugging her about linux :) [07:48] alisonken1noc, you do mkfs on the raid volume, right? then you may assign it a filesystem label too. [07:48] ok [07:48] slava_dp, have you tried using lilo an uuid? I'm reading I need to use append= instead of root= .. this true? [07:48] haven't played with raid and UUID yet so didn't know [07:49] if it's a raid, then you also may want to look at lilo -r (Raid) option as well [07:49] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:49] you connect with user and pass and then the nearest dhcp assigns you an IP from it's assigned class? [07:49] by PPPoe [07:49] AtuM, unfortunately I only know the theory so far :) [07:49] Azeotrope, if the dhcp server is setup that way [07:49] PPPoE connection from ISP with password and username. The user connects from city X and has an IP assigned with the city's class. If the user goes to another city, what IP adress will have? the old city's class or the new one? [07:50] slava_dp, thnx.. will read some more :) [07:50] typically, dhcp is behind the scenes _before_ you login [07:50] Azeotrope: homework? [07:50] yes [07:50] quelle surprise. [07:51] why? [07:51] do i look ignorant? [07:51] the question doesnt make a lot of sense and its completely beyond your proven skillset in any case [07:51] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [07:52] i'm just trying to find out how the tech works [07:52] Azeotrope: tried googling? [07:53] yea [07:53] wikipedia might have something useful [07:56] theres always the option of listening in class... [07:57] dude, you live in us right? maybe you have classes on IT. we don't. unless you go to a IT/telecom faculty [07:58] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:00] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Azeotrope: swing and a miss. [08:00] i do not live in the US [08:00] Reaver1 (Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [08:00] but you sure go to IT classes [08:00] yes, #slackware taking care of your homework [08:00] no.. i go to work [08:01] even better [08:01] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:02] ... [08:02] I just installed and started playing - couldn't afford to go to classes [08:04] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.83.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:04] what i learned alone and from people in ##slackware is more advanced than a basic linux class [08:05] anyway, can someone please explain this? http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1887 [08:05] i don't get the point [08:05] is what i said so stupid? [08:05] let's just say humorous once you know how linux works [08:05] lol [08:06] funny shit [08:07] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [08:07] i know how ubuntu works [08:07] dude.. i nearly snorted my coffee [08:07] slackware works much the same way - the only difference is the /etc/init.d/ scripts v. /etc/rc.d scripts [08:08] alisonken1noc: and the ability of package makers to make packages that actually work [08:08] if i type "su" in ubuntu i get an error. In slack i get root. so i don't agree [08:09] Azeotrope: what error do you get in ubuntu? [08:09] Camarade_Tux, :) [08:09] Azeotrope: different things - *buntu makes use of sudo rather than su [08:09] i know [08:10] you just couldnt make it up.. [08:10] *buntu tries to be like windows in the respect of root/admin - slackware used unix philosophy [08:10] Zordrak: funnier is the fact that i was thinking about noobfarm...and Azeotrope posted a link straight away ;) [08:10] Action: The-Croupier thinks there is a god after all [08:10] and the bastard has a great sense of humor [08:11] alisonken1noc: why do you say "used" [08:11] as far as i remember it still does doesnt it? [08:11] The-Croupier: ".....in its creation" [08:11] used, uses - in this context pretty much the same thing [08:11] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:11] alisonken1noc: sorry [08:11] alisonken1noc: ms office's grammar checker would have you for lunch ;) [08:11] invoking Godwin's Law on language? :) [08:11] good thing I don't use MS Office [08:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] damn its a laugh a minute today : http://tinyurl.com/yhuk7j5 [08:15] Azeotrope: on a side note, you'll find that irc in general is not receiptive when it comes to homework questions [08:16] ananke: ok. wilco [08:16] Zordrak, can you tell the solution for the above lq post straight away? [08:17] no.. took me at least 3 femtoseconds [08:18] and? [08:19] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:19] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] pragma_ (~pragma@blackshell.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] removepkg /var/log/kde*; upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new /mirror/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/kde/*.t?z [08:19] Nick change: pragma_ -> Guest63285 [08:20] that ain't a valid solution. [08:20] what does he expect when the directory he installed from is called "unsupported" [08:20] kruger (~i00nsu@a85-139-203-86.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:21] he expects it to at least work =) [08:21] feh [08:22] hellp ppl. In this howto: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/ the usb sticky must be formated in some specific FS? [08:22] kruger: afaik all usb instructions assume vfat [08:22] kde3 is as dead as it really is, for me. I enjoy my kde4 a lot. bonus, it makes people stare at your screen and say it looks good. [08:23] slava_dp: too true.. i haveu engineers ASKING for slackware [08:23] "oo is that windows 7 it looks good" [08:23] hehe [08:23] *SLAP* [08:23] k thanks Zordrak [08:26] compiz looks better. and has it's a little more ergonomical [08:26] kruger: you can also check out http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [08:27] Azeotrope: that statement is so flawed i cant even imagine where to begin with it. [08:27] alienBOB: pat said anything to you about drbd? hasnt responded at all via mail [08:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:29] KDE does not have the smoothness of compiz. KDE does not have the meta+scroll desktop zoom and no selective screenshot using a single click [08:29] Zordrak: pat will not likely respond to that email - it is not specifically targeting a Slackware issue or need [08:30] well, as long as he reads it :) [08:30] He reads everything... there's just too many emails flooding in to answer [08:30] indeed [08:33] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:34] Azeotrope, compiz doesn't have a file manager :> [08:34] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] cirkit (cirkit@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-xjuyxpeisuryoxdm) joined ##slackware. [08:40] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] straterra: your slackware server is beyond slow [08:41] any way to cofigure KSnapShot to auto-save everything i capture? So i don't have to click Save as... [08:42] cirkit (cirkit@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-xjuyxpeisuryoxdm) left ##slackware. [08:42] Azeotrope, with what name? Which kde version? [08:42] deftunix (~deftunix@93-63-174-221.ip28.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:44] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:44] guys, dont ask him other questions that you are sure its gonna end up in nb again ...:( [08:45] Action: The-Croupier is tired of reading the nb and seeing the same people all the time ;) [08:45] what - even straterra? [08:46] alisonken1noc: i havent seen straterra lately tbh...;) but he has some of the best ones ;) [08:46] alienBOB: Thanks I will try soon as possible [08:46] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [08:48] yep :) [08:50] Necrosporus: anyname, screenshot000x is good, default slack 13 kde [08:50] Don't know, but I recoomend you to examine ksnapshot --help [08:50] and may be it's help [08:52] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:52] recoomend?! is that used? is it slang?...etc... [08:52] I want to install a time machine system in my LAN.. the aim is to examine, capture and store all the traffic is there away to achieve that ? [08:52] Action: The-Croupier is Greek and Geek :( [08:53] F15ch3r: kind of wireshark with rules? [08:53] and other network tools? [08:53] no time machine system [08:53] is a dedicated system for this kind of things [08:54] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:55] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [08:55] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:55] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:55] F15ch3r: you can write some SHELL Scripts of your own cant you? [08:55] The-Croupier, www.net.t-labs.tu-berlin.de/research/tm [08:55] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslacker|Busy [08:55] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:56] The-Croupier, but it's not accurate and will luck of performance ! [08:56] ohh i see... im reading it atm [08:57] it's not good for heavy-tailed networks [08:57] sounds like fun though ;) [09:00] what I simply want is a machine server connected to a switch and can capture all the traffic that pass throughout this switch [09:02] pair0doc (~user@24-231-196-176.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:02] you can only collect traffic on a switched network by arp spoofing. or by exchanging your switch for a hub. [09:02] or by getting a switch with settable port monitor settings [09:03] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:03] alisonken1noc knows better :) [09:03] there are some managed switches that allow packet mirroring to a monitor port [09:04] ok good but a hub can't support high traffic as well as switch [09:04] alisonken1noc, are you sure that this kind of switch will mirror any traffic that pass throughout it ? [09:05] don't know - need to look at the manual for it [09:05] because what I knew about monitor port is that can simply copy one port connection [09:05] Guest63285 (~pragma@blackshell.com) left irc: Changing host [09:05] Guest63285 (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [09:05] some models of managed switches will allow setting one port as a monitor for all of the other ports [09:05] depends on the switch you buy [09:06] OK thanks I will see [09:06] but what about bridging [09:06] Nick change: Guest63285 -> pragma_ [09:06] they told me it can work too [09:06] is it possible to make a bridge for the same subnet ? [09:13] possible - test it and see, although you may see "duplicate mac" errors when you do [09:13] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:14] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:16] Network -> switch -> hub -> internet [09:16] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:17] so long as the hub has the same port speed as either side you see no appreciable drop in throughput but get full connection monitoring without managed switches [09:18] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.38) joined ##slackware. [09:19] ok [09:19] but I am trying no commercial solution first :) [09:20] pupiteee (~p@93.86.236.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:25] eh, get a three-port hub it'll be enough =) [09:25] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [09:25] haha] [09:26] slava_dp, linux means no money spending :P [09:27] nk__ (1000@ppp79-139-199-138.pppoe.spdop.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:28] on license, but money on training, implementation, support [09:28] as every software [09:28] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:28] guax, don't argue :) [09:29] he won't even spend on a twisted pair cable :) [09:29] slava_dp, sometimes my fingers are fast then my notion [09:29] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-178.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:29] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:30] right open-source is just a myth [09:31] slava_dp, can i answer that? [09:31] guax, sure [09:32] F15ch3r, free beer is a myth, open source is the best [09:32] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:32] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-224-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] hhhhhhh [09:32] ok [09:33] you need permission to answer something?! are you his bot? [09:33] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:33] The-Croupier, lol [09:33] lol [09:34] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:35] pupiteee (~p@93.86.158.140) joined ##slackware. [09:36] slackboy: permission to speak Sir? [09:38] nk__ (1000@ppp79-139-199-138.pppoe.spdop.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [09:38] WTF is cirkit on about? [09:39] My Slackware server is slow? [09:39] My only Slackware server is turned off [09:40] straterra: i happen to notice Sir that you do not make any sense... [09:40] which one is it? slow or turned off? [09:42] It's turned off. cirkit said it was slow [09:42] Hence my confusion [09:44] does slackware uses a bootsplash? [09:44] no [09:44] if you want you have to do some kernel vodoo, there was something in slackwiki i think [09:46] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:47] and make an initrd [09:48] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [09:49] how can i get rid of this bad-looking gtk theme? http://imagebin.ca/view/Iz6JU9Gc.html [09:50] Azeotrope, gtk-chtheme + a theme engine of your choice, qtcurve is one. [09:50] and why not use kopete if you chose kde? [09:51] less librares in memory :) [09:51] nk__ (1000@ppp79-139-199-138.pppoe.spdop.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:51] because pidgin has archiving buddy's icons and history plugins [09:52] Greek (~Greek@cust-253-231.on4.ontelecoms.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:52] kopete has history! and buddy icons work for me also. [09:52] hello guys! [09:52] nk__ (1000@ppp79-139-199-138.pppoe.spdop.ru) left ##slackware ("#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)"). [09:52] Nick change: Greek -> Guest42635 [09:52] I love your channel I have learned so many things! [09:53] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:53] slava_dp: encryption too.. cool. thanks [09:54] I'm making an iso with mkisofs and I'd like to exclude slackware64/xap but can't manage to and the manpage states it isn't up-to-date, anyone know how to call mkisofs? [09:55] I ve got a problem on my old pc! I used to have installed slackware 13 after that i install xp for some reasons. now I start the installation of slackware again and when i type cfdisk blah blah its says fatal error cannot open disk drive [09:55] what is going on? [09:55] Camarade_Tux, see isolinux/README [09:55] there's the complete commandline [09:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:56] are you talking to me? [09:56] Guest42635, try plain "fdisk" [09:56] i made the same and it says unable to open /dev/hda [09:56] Guest42635, try parted [09:57] Guest42635, fdisk -l [09:57] using current? [09:57] Guest42635: try sda [09:57] not hda [09:58] computer make restart...own [09:58] iam waiting to reboot and write the command [10:01] ok It works perfect! thanks...computer became crazy [10:01] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [10:01] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:02] Blue-Slacker (~5b62419c@gateway/web/freenode/x-feljitrevbhwjfwt) joined ##slackware. [10:02] this computer has a pentium 4 (1.8ghz) and 512 ram but with slackware 13 and xfce it was running too slow on the previous install. how i can make it faster? i will install fluxbox now [10:02] slava_dp: doesn't address the problem: basically, afaict, it says to use 'mv' which I don't want to do [10:02] Guest42635: graphic card? [10:03] Guest42635, load an accelerated graphics driver [10:03] Camarade_Tux, mv? [10:03] i ve got an nvidia geforce fx 5600xt with 128 mb memory [10:04] so install the nvidia driver to get acceleration [10:05] slava_dp: I mean: mkdir {d1,d2,d3}, cp/mv the files in each directory and create the iso separately [10:05] ok... [10:05] Guest42635: you probably used the "nv" driver which is painfully slow/bad/crappy/..., as slava_dp said, "nvidia" will be better (slackbuilds.org or nvidia.com) [10:05] hmm ok! [10:06] the main problem was that computer running too slow [10:07] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [10:09] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:09] yeah, use the nvidia driver for that card on slackbuildsorg [10:10] Guest42635: it's 173. something iirc [10:10] aight man! thank you so much...im now install it [10:10] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:10] i mean slackware...after that i will do what you say to me! [10:11] yep, get the driver package and the kernel module [10:11] both from slackbuilds.org [10:11] or sbopkg if you use it [10:11] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] I will install them from sbopkg [10:13] Blue-Slacker (~5b62419c@gateway/web/freenode/x-feljitrevbhwjfwt) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:14] I can't compile the Kopete OTR plugin using ./configure, make, make install [10:15] Gr1nch (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [10:17] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:18] pseudonymous (~icarus@stud1-18.itu.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:19] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:20] ANy tips on how to utterly reset a wireless network card ? Sometimes I can't connect to an AP no matter what I do (manually tinkering with essid/rate/channel or using wicd-curses) until I've rebooted -- Even bringing the interface down, unloading the kernel module and going back up doesn't seem to clear it [10:20] Azeotrope: that is one of the least helpful things you can say :) did you read the error I assume it gave and do something about it? [10:20] pseudonymous, kill switch off/on [10:21] pseudonymous: wep or wpa? sometimes wpa gives me trouble and I believe I have to clear all pid files then try again [10:21] It shouldn't magically come on for no reason, but I've tried hitting that button too. If the killswitch is on I'll get errors when trying to manipulate the interface. The problems I experience is that I don't receive any acknowledgements from running dhclient (dhcp) [10:21] raendeer: yes. the error is bash: ./configure: No such file or directory [10:22] Azeotrope: well then. what does that tell you? [10:22] raendeer (hi, btw!): which pid files, exactly ? [10:22] pseudonymous: did you read the documentation included in /usr/doc/wicd-$VERSION ? [10:22] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [10:22] Kopete... Part of KDE4, which uses cmake... I think it's safe to assume that the plugin also uses cmake for build... [10:23] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [10:23] pseudonymous: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-INTERFACE.pid and /var/run/wpa_spplicant/eth1 [10:23] Azeotrope: it's a good idea to -always- read INSTALL first, the README [10:23] also, hello pseudonymous :) [10:24] afk, hope you get it sorted, pseudonymous [10:24] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:26] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] maybe the wicd documentation isnt gonna help [10:30] raendeer: it doesn't have INSTALL or README [10:31] only cpp and .h files [10:31] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [10:31] Azeotrope, pastebin "ls -a" [10:32] oh this is horse crap. dhclient refuses to get a dhcp ack but dhcpcd works for some reason [10:32] http://pastebin.org/108658 [10:33] Fatalnix (1001@robots.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:34] sahk0: gave it a read and no it didn't really help :) I don't like wicd itself too much either, I usually rely on manually setting things up with iwconfig+wpa_supplicant+dhclient [10:36] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:37] yeah i misread what you said at first [10:37] Azeotrope, this uses cmake. see this for a usage example: http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/system/partitionmanager/partitionmanager.SlackBuild [10:38] sec0nd (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [10:38] hi [10:38] Azeotrope, you might even want to create a slackbuild and submit it so that the community can use this program too. [10:39] Azeotrope, for manual configuration, try "ccmake", it's a menu. [10:40] I'm still trying to mount a home folder on user login. You guys recommended /etc/profile but I need it (my mount script) to be run before any of the user's files in their home directory needs to be read such as configurations. Does anyone have any advice? [10:40] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:40] slava_dp: i don't know how to make slackbuilds [10:40] guys is LILO important on an installation if you dont have another operating system in your computer? [10:41] Azeotrope, then just use ccmake, than make, then make install [10:41] Guest42635: YES! [10:41] ^ [10:42] You need it to boot the system. [10:42] slava_dp: I mean, I know how to use slackbuilds but i don't know how to make one for the community [10:42] Guest42635: LILO is a boot loader similar to grub legacy (somewhat) [10:43] Azeotrope, that's fine, you'll learn as time goes. [10:43] Mmm did the new httpd package suddenly compile against libldap? [10:43] (at least for -current) [10:44] i understand thanks again. [10:45] Zosma, appears to be. -current here. [10:46] slava_dp: am i missing libs? http://pastebin.org/108665 [10:46] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] that is not enough to tell. [10:47] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:47] slava_dp: damn, will recompile it myself then, thanks. [10:47] ea_suter (~easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:48] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-209-178.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:49] slava_dp: http://pastebin.org/108666 [10:49] Axius (~fd@109.97.58.85) joined ##slackware. [10:49] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] stuartSan (~stuartSan@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Azeotrope, qt is probably too new for this program. [10:51] Which aufs git tree would I need? [10:52] hm, i'm keeping my FAT partition for my old files while i'm installing on a new 10GB partition, i'm gonna copy it over later, but when i'm done, how do i format the FAT partition to linux? [10:52] slava_dp: how did you got buddy album for kopete? [10:52] Azeotrope, what on earth is a buddy album? [10:52] stuartSan, man mkfs [10:53] slava_dp, okay cool, but where do you assign extra disc space usuallyu [10:53] -/home? [10:53] stuartSan, man fstab [10:54] slava_dp: a plugin that saves all your buddies avatars [10:54] Azeotrope, I don't care about avatars at all. sorry. [10:56] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:56] Azeotrope: the website where you got the source from has to have install instructions somewhere that you clearly at ignoring.. [10:57] Gemmazz (~Gemmazz@63.223.127.153) joined ##slackware. [10:57] http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268236630.jpg does my ass look big? [10:57] Gemmazz (Gemmazz@63.223.127.153) left ##slackware. [10:57] pseudonymous (~icarus@stud1-18.itu.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:58] raendeer: it does not: http://kopete-otr.follefuder.org/download.html [10:58] Can I use slackbuilds for slackware 12.0 in slackware 13.0? [10:59] what the hell was that link.. [10:59] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-116-49.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Azeotrope: that doesn't look like kopete's official site. you may want to look at kopete's site for instructions on installing plugins [11:00] sec0nd: I don't think so, but you can always try - is there not one for 13? [11:00] [Bain] (~bain@198.163.150.11) joined ##slackware. [11:00] <[Bain]> anyone know why when i use the command echo "\n" the echo will insert a single space before the carrage return ? [11:01] stuartSan (~stuartSan@115.135.76.129) left irc: [11:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:01] [Bain]: doesn't for me.. just returns \n, no spaces [11:01] raendeer: there is an aufs package for 12 but not 13. [11:02] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [11:03] raendeer: I have libotr if that's what you're suggesting [11:03] Azeotrope: no, I don't know anything about kopete, but you don't seem to have done any research on how to add your own plugins [11:03] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [11:04] s/any research.*// [11:04] <[Bain]> \b is back space right ? [11:05] [Bain]: echo(1) ? [11:05] [Bain], echo -e "\n" [11:05] effy11 (0@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:05] effy11 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [11:05] wow that was fast [11:05] no kidding [11:06] serious [11:06] people can chnage you know [11:06] hm, i have 10gb of slackware space, and 50gb of windows space that i wanna join into the slackware space, how will mkfs help [11:07] stuart: use parted? [11:07] stuart: mkfs will destroy data - use gparted or parted [11:07] q/g/whatever [11:07] and boot from a live cd so you don't mess with the data [11:07] i don't mind destroying data, i just copied the important data over to the slackware partition, now i just wanna join the windows 50GB over [11:08] as in i don't need my windows partition anymore [11:08] if your partition is mounted, your slackware partition may get hosed if you resize partitions on the fly [11:08] it's supposed to be ok, but I would boot from livecd before messing with partitions [11:08] stuart: you can get a nice gparted live cd iso, and if you can boot from usb, stick it on a stick [11:08] boot from a livecd, tar the slackware partition out to another machine, make a new large partition and tar the files back :-) that's my solution. [11:09] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [11:09] <[Bain]> when i do test=`some_command; echo "\n"` [11:09] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] <[Bain]> and then i echo $test i get a single space before the newline [11:09] [Bain], /join #bash [11:09] <[Bain]> echo -n $test [11:09] <[Bain]> sorry en [11:09] they will sort you out [11:09] slava_dp, cool how do i make that huge linux partition from livecd, mkfs? [11:10] no - makefs is for the filesystem, not partitions [11:10] <[Bain]> omg a bash channel [11:10] stuart, cfdisk/fdisk [11:10] use cfdisk [11:10] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:10] can someone help me install this. http://aufs.sourceforge.net/ I'm not sure which one to use and I'm also on an encrypted lvm using the smp kernel version *.29 [11:10] k lemme try [11:10] we used aufs at the office for about 6 months then dropped it due to issues that were still being worked on [11:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:10] will joining the windows partition to slackware cause loss of data on slackware? [11:11] technically, not if you resize the slackware partition up [11:11] stuart: maybe look up gparted on google and read up on it [11:11] alisonken1home: what issues? [11:11] effy111 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:11] I need something that works like how slax does with its changes directory [11:11] sec0nd, not exactly sure since I'm not one of the kernel devs, but we ended up having to reboot the servers a lot [11:12] refcount overflow comes to mind [11:12] is there something else than can do the same job? [11:13] possibly, but I'm not one of the devs so haven't looked into the issue [11:13] sorry if I sound stupid here but how do I update the kernel in slackware 13? [11:14] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:14] effy111: it will either update when using slackpkg [11:15] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.28.207.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:15] ok [11:15] or, you can do so manually [11:15] but check the README in the /boot directory regarding initrd [11:15] if you're planning to use the generic kernel [11:16] I did it manually for my slackware 13 installation using the kernels in the testing directory [11:16] so far, no issues [11:16] using slackpkg is it just slackpkg update? [11:16] if there's an update for the kernel in the tree, then it will update (assuming the kernel packages are not blacklisted in slackpkg) [11:17] ok [11:17] the blacklist file is in /etc/slackpkg/blacklist I believe [11:17] thanks, as many have said, ubuntu makes things far too easy :) [11:18] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:18] nothing that reading the man page can't solve, I always say... ;-) [11:18] but a little help helps ;-) [11:18] yeah [11:19] thanks again [11:20] so once slackpkg update has run should most things be updated? [11:20] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-116-49.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:22] hm, i inserted my USB drive and suddenly the background + taskbars disappeared [11:22] effy111: no. [11:22] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:22] ok [11:22] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:22] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [11:22] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [11:23] effy111: slackpkg update does nothing but checking if there are new packages on $MIRROR as defined in your /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [11:23] Axius (~fd@109.97.58.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:23] ok [11:23] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] how do I install any updates then? [11:24] effy111: Did you read the manpage? [11:25] wha [11:25] *where is that? [11:25] man slackpkg :-D [11:25] man slackpkg ...? [11:25] gh0st (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [11:25] command failed: Operation not supported (-95) [11:25] ok, sorry for not doing any reseach [11:26] iw wlan1 scan [11:26] effy111: sounds like you need to read the slackbook [11:26] BP{k}: effy111 had asked where the manpage for slackpkg was [11:26] I found it [11:26] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-205-188.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:27] ClaudioM: yeah but telling him /usr/man/man8/slackpkg.gz is so much less usefull than "man slackpkg" :P [11:28] or where ever slackpkg manpage is hidden :) [11:28] :-) [11:29] is slackpkg install-update all it? [11:29] no [11:29] slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all && slackpkg install-new [11:29] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [11:30] so, that'll install all updates? thanks [11:30] effy111: I'd still check the manpage so you have an understanding of what is actually happening [11:30] that line is actually three commands using slackpkg [11:31] I see, it's checking for updates then upgrading everything and new things as well [11:31] but only if the previous command completed successfully - that's what the && does [11:32] correct [11:32] ok, thanks :) [11:32] ayaz (~ayaz@linuxpakistan/ayaz) joined ##slackware. [11:32] hm no luck with google but what's the difference between using '&&' and ';' for linux commands [11:33] man bash? :-p [11:33] ayaz (ayaz@linuxpakistan/ayaz) left ##slackware. [11:33] sorry, couldn't resist :-) [11:33] :) [11:33] no prob [11:33] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep [11:33] && is a binary if yes, then do that, semicolon is when done do that regardless of previous exit status [11:33] how do i Find in bash [11:33] can anyone access this page ptolemy.berkeley.edu ? [11:33] i mean in man [11:34] i cannot get there from here for some reason .. [11:34] dig [11:34] sometimes university pages have stupid firewall rules .. [11:34] i tried via archive.org, but that's too slow and doesn't has the tarballs ;( [11:34] errordeveloper, down for me [11:35] ok .. [11:35] so may be they are down then ;) [11:35] stuart: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ [11:35] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.28.207.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: the poul......... :) [11:36] sirslacker|Busy (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:36] BackMonkey (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-leugpismuoqntqoh) joined ##slackware. [11:37] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:37] stuart, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bash+scripting [11:37] ah ..i haven't checked google cache yet :) [11:37] any online tv app for linux? [11:38] Azeotrope: livestation [11:38] accounts at bugmenot.com [11:40] can someone help me get aufs installed in slackware 13? [11:41] hcfd (~fed@host81-157-105-68.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:41] BackMonkey: thanks [11:42] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [11:43] gh0st (ghost@78.90.113.108) left ##slackware. [11:44] sec0nd: you need a patched kernel [11:44] NO PORBLEMO [11:44] SLS 1.05 works well on my machine [11:45] stuartSan (~stuartSan@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [11:45] welcome back stuartSan [11:45] okay i'm at livecd, and decided to format everything on my HD, but in cfdisk it only allows me to have 50GB on one free space partition and 15GB on another [11:45] effy111 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:45] how do i join them together? i just want 1 HD for this slackware install [11:45] sahk0: I have no idea where to start. I git cloned the standalone and utils tree [11:46] stuartSan: delete the partitions and make a new one [11:46] BackMonkey: i deleted everything, but the Free space exists as 50GB free space and 15GB free space, how can i have 65GB free space in 1 go? [11:47] sec0nd: you should start by patching the kernel. [11:47] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] because when i go to the 50GB free space and say Make new partition, it only allows me to make 50GB of space [11:47] sahk0: how do I patch the kernel? [11:47] /home/aufs/aufs2-standalone.git# ls [11:47] COPYING aufs2-kbuild.patch design/ [11:47] ChangeLog aufs2-page_mkwrite-29.4.patch ecryptfs.patch [11:47] Channel flood from sec0nd -- kicking [11:47] Documentation/ aufs2-rt13-29.3.patch fs/ [11:47] Makefile aufs2-rt19-29.4.patch include/ [11:47] sec0nd kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:47] sec0nd (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [11:48] ? [11:48] im not the person to ask really. if you search the internet you should find many resources [11:48] i've been looking [11:48] most talk about linux live scripts which tells you to install it -.- [11:48] stuartSan: use cfdisk or fdisk to delete the partitions...then make a big one...if you cant figure that out, exit cfdisk and do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/YOURHDD bs=1024 count=10 that should do it then reload fdisk/cfdisk and createa new partition table/partition dont forget a swap partition [11:48] sec0nd: look under /usr/docs for a Kernel HOWTO [11:48] cant help you sorry. furthermore since ive never done it myself [11:48] brb [11:48] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:49] anyone using slackpkg noting odd behavior with recent openssl and seamonkey updates? [11:49] msocorcim: fix seamonkey with seamonkey -safe-mode, then exit and do seamonkey ? [11:50] BackMonkey, i can figure out cfdisk but i deleted everything and i have 2 free spaces. 1 50GB and 1 15GB, and each free space won't allow me to make a new partition bigger than 50GB or 15GB, depending on which free space i choose, but i will try your tip to reset [11:50] effy116 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] stuartSan: yeah dd can be used to wipe the partition table from the drive...that way whatever issue you are having will be gone [11:50] n0v4 (~n0v4@59.93.212.14) joined ##slackware. [11:51] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:51] not sure if you shoudl reboot after using dd or not [11:51] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [11:51] I ran the upgrade and rebooted, how do I check things were upgraded? [11:51] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:52] effy116: try to do the upgrade again and see if there are no upgrades to be done? [11:52] ok [11:52] damn [11:52] why did my nick do that [11:52] i guess, how did you ugprade anyway [11:52] upgradepkg or slackpkg? [11:52] BackMonkey, didn't really work, but somehow i can mke2fs /dev/sda now [11:52] slackpkg [11:53] stuartSan: dont do that [11:53] stuartSan: what does fdisk -l print [11:53] anyway is swap partition primary or logical [11:53] Nick change: effy116 -> effy11 [11:53] BackMonkey: not even using seamonkey, just concerned with slackpkg's apparent troubles identifying and installing the correct patch package for it and openssl [11:53] stuartSan: make them all primary [11:54] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] i think it was something like slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-install && slackpkg install-new [11:54] ok done, now gotta wait the 20 mins more [11:54] stuartSan: you shouldnt have an extended partition in which tomake logical partitions...unless you added it [11:54] trying to see if it's something I did by customizing the slackpkg.conf, or a problem with slakware mirrors, or a bug in slackpkg [11:55] BackMonkey, all that is the past now. i'm starting fresh [11:55] msocorcim: well you arent exactly explaining what issues its having are you on 13.0 or -current 32 or 64 bit? [11:55] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [11:55] 13.0 32 bit [11:55] ok thats good [11:56] what mirror [11:56] I've started documenting the problem in an email to the developer... [11:56] use this : http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [11:56] for your mirror [11:57] tried mirrors.tds.net gatech.edu and now: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/ [11:57] slackpkg update, then slackpkg upgrade-all and openssl should be the -2 patch [11:57] if you change mirrors you need to slackpkg update [11:58] deftunix (deftunix@93-63-174-221.ip28.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [11:58] god the xmms random is so bad, out of 7500 tracks, i've heard this same one like 4 times in the last 2 days [11:58] nothing new, yey [11:58] the slackpkg update was something I failed to do after changing mirrors [11:59] BackMonkey: Uhm..so? [11:59] That doesn't make its random bad [11:59] its not uniform random, thats for sure [11:59] Unless you don't really want random, you want random - what you've already listened to..thats a different thing [11:59] Why? The same track can be picked 4 times within 2 days randomly [12:00] calculate the chances of that if it were good random (1/7500) ^ 4 [12:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [12:00] huh, I ran the upgrade and it upgraded the kernel, but only to 2.6.29.6-smp :s [12:01] BackMonkey: That one song has the same chance as every other song [12:01] effy11: yikes [12:01] msocorcim: the "picking the right patch" is not really that much of a problem. Since there should be no duplicates in slackware-$version/patches/packages/* anyway. Slackpkg looks in patches/ before checking the main tree. [12:01] Hello, on a new Slackware64 13.0 install I'm seeing this: HDIO_GET_IDENTITIY failed for '/dev/block/8:0' [12:01] effy11: and that is unexpected? [12:02] clijunkie: you're seeing that where? [12:02] If I boot the dvd, and run cfdisk and quit with or without a write I will see that. [12:02] Thats fine [12:02] It's reprobing [12:02] I dunno, I thought it upgraded it to the latest version which according to kernel.org is stable: 2.6.33 [12:03] effy11: what mirror is in slackpkg/mirrors [12:03] effy11: and slackpkg doesn't know about kernel.org. [12:03] oh, ok [12:03] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:03] n0v4 (~n0v4@59.93.212.14) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:03] spiraliz (~spiraliz@29.79-160-91.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:03] the mirror is the UK one [12:03] slackpkg knows only what pertains to slackware and slackware-13.o comes with 2.6.29.6, so unless you have blacklisted the kernel, it will upgrade to that the latest slackware-kernel. [12:04] seems there is a new module in apache's update from yesterday [12:04] Time is 9:03am, computer has been up for 1w 3d 21h 42m 41s [12:04] jesus [12:04] windows is dying. [12:04] ok, it doesn't seem to be blacklisted though [12:04] jeev: #windows [12:04] BackMonkey: #thankyou [12:04] mod_reqtimeout is now enabled in the LoadModule of httpd.conf [12:05] it seems to be allowed [12:05] does anyone know what it does ? [12:05] seems like a anti DDOS measurement [12:05] effy11: that is the latest then...for stable-13.0, you can compile your own if you want...i suggest 2.6.32.0 [12:05] #kernel-ide #kernel-modules #kernel-source #kernel-headers [12:05] ok [12:05] straterra: I also noticed that it's not recognizing my raid 0 mirrored drives, and is reporting both in the install screen. I don't have this issue with an old Slack12.2 disk [12:05] 2.6.33.0 has something nice tho [12:05] clijunkie: What kind of raid? [12:05] does compiling the kernel take a long time? [12:06] an IO scheduler [12:06] iirc [12:06] effy11: yes, with the default slackware .config, it takes a while [12:06] effy11: also quite dependent on your hardware [12:06] probably 30-60mins [12:06] http://lwn.net/Articles/360958/ [12:06] oh man... [12:06] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [12:06] effy11: you probably dont need to upgrade anyway [12:07] I have machines that will compile the kernel in literally 2-3 minutes..and some that take days [12:07] It's hardware dependent [12:07] straterra: sorry raid 1 [12:07] clijunkie: What kind of raid? [12:07] audio driver support is only in new kernel versions -.- [12:07] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [12:08] effy11: do you have the slackware kernel source installed? check /usr/src/linux/ [12:08] straterra: hardware raid on a dell poweredge [12:08] there is stuff in that directory [12:08] ugh, somehow after installation it says lilo not installed correctly, i don't need lilo, i just need to boot into my one and only slack partition, what do i do? [12:08] What kind of card? [12:08] PERC? [12:08] I did a complete install [12:09] straterra: I saw a few posts that ubuntu was having some problem in the same situation. Their solution was to use another version of ubuntu. [12:09] effy11: ok, is support for your audio device in 2.6.32 or only 2.6.33 ? [12:09] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:09] I dunno, it only appeared in ubuntu 9.10... [12:09] So..you're assuming [12:10] straterra: I think it is a PERC, but I'm not sure. [12:10] straterra: I'm assuming that there has to be a better answer. So I came to the real experts [12:11] clijunkie: the assuming thing was for effy11 [12:11] Gr1nch (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [12:12] huh?, my audio is realtek HD [12:12] it says on the site it's coded into the kernel [12:12] as of which version [12:13] it doesn't mention [12:13] does lsmod say anything about realtek or audio? does alsamixer show devices? [12:13] lsmod? is that a bash command? [12:13] how do i recover my MBR and not use lilo because i only have slackware on my whole pc [12:14] effy11: yeah [12:14] been working as r00t for over a week and i'm getting ready to setup the user accounts [12:14] I need the directories encrypted though, I basically need to run a script before the user logs in to mount their home folder which holds configs etc... any ideas [12:14] simpilest thing would be to assume that the users home folder is on a flash drive and I need to mount their home folder to the drive when they login [12:14] snd_hda_codec_realtek 188544 1 [12:14] stuartSan: you have to use lilo [12:14] From talking with someone else but I think it may be better suited here [12:14] effy11: ok, so open alsamixer and unmute channels and test your audio with xmms or something [12:15] keep unmuting channels until you hear something [12:15] where is alasmixer? [12:15] BackMonkey, how do i install from livecd [12:16] then run alsactl store as root to save the levels as default [12:16] stuartSan: chroot into the install, run lilo [12:16] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:16] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [12:16] straterra: My only idea was to somehow make a custom ISO with a newer kernel from current. [12:16] or run pkgtools-> setup or whatever [12:16] what livecd anyway? [12:17] slackware install disk is not a live cd imo.... [12:18] sec0nd: why not just encrypt the entire home partition? there is documentation for that [12:19] afaik there isn't a live cd for Slackware.. at least nothing official. [12:19] hm, still no way of installing lilo [12:19] stuartSan: is slackware installed on your new partitions already? the setup lets you install lilo to the mbr...which is exactly what you want to do [12:20] BackMonkey, installed, and that's where it said it couldn't install lilo [12:21] stuartSan: why would it say that... is it because you did mkefs2 /dev/sda like i told you NOT to [12:21] hi, somebody know how can i install the ati xpress in slackware? the driver of ati for linux dont work anymore [12:21] that means there is no MBR on that device [12:21] i think [12:22] BackMonkey, hm, how can i recover my MBR [12:22] BackMonkey: I'm using truecrypt [12:22] you dont have an mbr because you made the entire drive one partition [12:22] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.114.210) joined ##slackware. [12:22] sec0nd: are you using google? [12:22] but i thought setup would help me with that [12:23] sec0nd: are you Azeotrope ? if not maybe you two should hang out some time :) [12:23] what does fdisk -l say stuartSan [12:23] BackMonkey: I am but... [12:23] I need to mount the folder per users [12:23] sahk0: what? [12:23] none of the alsa mixer things are doing anything -_- [12:23] ./dev/sda1 [12:23] Each user has their own truecrypt file to be mounted [12:23] ./dev/sda2 * [12:23] sec0nd: i think i was quite clear. you two seem to have common interests [12:24] sec0nd: what interest? [12:24] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:24] truecrypt [12:24] doesn't solve my problem though [12:24] i think thats what he wanted to encrypt his hd too [12:24] with* [12:24] stuartSan: well then i dont know why lilo didnt install if you dont have an error or anything [12:25] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:25] How can I mount a truecrypt users directory on login [12:25] you're meant to be friends [12:25] sec0nd: on a gui login? or console login? [12:25] stuartSan: mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev; mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc; chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash; source /etc/profile; lilo -v ? [12:27] alisonken1home: gui login [12:27] wait a command line login <- alisonken1home [12:28] although a gui might be required in the future [12:28] sec0nd: try /etc/profile ? [12:28] I'm trying to configure the card using alsaconf [12:29] what player do you use? [12:29] determine login user name, mount their encrypted image to /home/username...then make them cd ~ or something to update the directory [12:29] back on ubuntu i had mplayer [12:30] the question is how/when do you unmount their data [12:30] after logout [12:30] no luck, [12:32] effy11: are you sure you tried unmuting all the channels? the ones with no volume bar are usually the most important [12:33] I'll try again : [12:33] like on mine, if this channel is muted, NOTHING EVER COMES OUT Item: Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack [12:33] and it has no volume level bar, just a little box [12:33] no luck =( [12:33] effy11: are you in the audio group? what are you using to test your sound [12:34] what does mpg123 somemp3.mp3 say [12:34] an MP3 in the default audio player [12:34] if you have one [12:35] does "groups" in bash say audio ? [12:35] yes [12:35] k thats good [12:35] just search google for "realtek hd audio no sound linux" [12:37] ok [12:37] effy11: oh its usually the AC97 channels that are important with that..but if you already tried them all.... [12:39] man, that's not showing up in alsamixer : [12:39] what does mpg123 blah.mp3 say [12:39] in bash [12:40] one sec [12:40] High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2, and 3. Version 0.59q (2002/03/23). Written and copyrights by Joe Drew. Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more! THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! blah.mp3: No such file or directory [12:40] lol, no point it to a real mp3 [12:40] oh, lol [12:41] use tab completion :p [12:41] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Why not use aplay -L to get a list of your sound devices, and see if something's up there. [12:41] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [12:41] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:42] and then alsamixer in case your levels are wrong? [12:42] well if mpg123 plays an mp3, then its obviously his levels? [12:43] which he has already tried to unmute [12:43] where is liloconfig locatged [12:43] /etc/lilo.conf [12:44] then how do i 'refresh' after editing it [12:44] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:45] do i have to get the newest kernel? [12:45] effy11 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [12:45] or i must wait until 13.1 [12:45] effy11 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:45] stuartSan: lilo -M -C /etc/lilo.conf ? who knows, no one knows what you are doing [12:46] it crashed after you said to run that command, the IRC that is, the audio was none-existant :( [12:46] stuartSan: or maybe you want to try lilo -M /dev/sda read the "man lilo" [12:47] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] |Slacker| (~Cris@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [12:48] [Bain] (~bain@198.163.150.11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:50] so, I'm done for :< [12:51] seems like it should be working................................................. [12:52] you were pressing 'm' to unmute/mute right? [12:52] not just raising the levels [12:52] I was pressing M [12:53] and scrolled all the way to the right side....there are more mixers hidden [12:53] yes [12:54] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] that blows then....try changing the port your 1/8" jack is plugged into? [12:55] MrTopic (~roger@83.40.74.117) joined ##slackware. [12:55] huh, it's onboard [12:56] sometimes they have more than one output... [12:56] i was playing with a metasploit reverse shell on linux and i have no idea, besides netstat, of seeing if a machine is compromised. history is not showing the commands i sent remotely [12:57] Azeotrope: wont it only show them once you logout? [12:57] oh if its a real reverse shell (not bash) then yea, no log [12:58] it's metasploit's reverse shell [12:58] omnipotentduo (~ray@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [12:58] john_dee (~id@95-29-185-148.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:59] in win machines you can see the process, if it's not migrated [12:59] trying the nonPnP option [12:59] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Action: MrTopic is away: Away [13:00] Azeotrope: sometimes last will give you a clue...if you see a login from an ip you didnt login with....assuming its a real login shell that is started [13:00] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest82626 [13:00] Nick change: Guest82626 -> akber [13:00] no difference [13:01] akber (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [13:01] akber (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [13:01] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:02] Nick change: akber -> init[1]|znc [13:02] effy11: well you have ssh enabled and forwarded...make me a user and password and maybe i can fiddle with alsamixer, dunno what else you can try at this point [13:02] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:02] ok [13:02] besides asking in #linux or something [13:02] press up on additional groups in adduser to put it in audio [13:03] ok [13:03] login and pass backm [13:04] is it letting you connect? [13:04] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable""). [13:04] ok [13:05] Azeotrope: ps or top don't show the reverse shell ? [13:05] im in and changed the password so no one does anything stupid, no play music and ill mess with the levels [13:05] now play music with mpg123 i guess [13:05] ok [13:05] you hear anything? 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[13:07] -sh: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [13:07] huh [13:08] lsof |grep dsp [13:08] lsof |grep snd [13:08] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:09] that was for you BackMonkey [13:09] your lsmod definately says all the modules are loaded [13:09] gee, turns out simple lilo conf doesn't make a linux option for bootup [13:09] where is an mp3 effy11 [13:09] maybe he has plugged in his speakers in the microphone [13:10] its solved by reinstalling, choosing custom and defining lilo options myself [13:10] ./blah.mp3 is one [13:10] cp ./blah.mp3 /tmp/ [13:10] okay off to my pc now [13:11] stuartSan (~stuartSan@115.135.76.129) left irc: [13:11] done I think... [13:11] yep [13:11] yeah its there [13:11] Playing raw data 'blah.mp3' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono [13:11] lol what kind of mp3 is that [13:12] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-gkexmmhzesnluojf) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [13:12] O_o [13:12] random recorded moments? >.> [13:12] blah.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz, JntStereo [13:12] BackMonkey: thanks - guess I needed to update the local copy of Changelog.txt using slackpkg check-update [13:12] voice podcasts [13:12] hmm aplay is just retarded? [13:12] it shouldn't be [13:12] :s [13:12] BP{k}: and thanks also [13:12] still no noise? [13:13] It's an a-ha song I ripped from a CD, nope, no noise [13:13] just cat random to /dev/snd [13:13] tried it, said dsp is in use [13:13] effy11: i wonder if the kde sound daemon isnt getting int he way [13:13] is he using a sound server like esd, arts or pulseaudio [13:13] how could I fix that? [13:13] considering your card can only play one stream at a time [13:14] oh [13:14] I dunno goarilla [13:14] pgrep arts [13:14] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:14] I used a full install with default startup services [13:14] linux sound is a mess [13:14] not really :P [13:15] doesnt look like arts is running [13:15] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [13:15] no really :D [13:15] aplay 3502 backm 6r REG 8,2 4370685 13849 /tmp/blah.mp3 [13:15] aplay 3502 backm 4u CHR 116,16 7850 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p [13:15] i don't use kde... that might be part of the solution ^.~ [13:15] f29 (~a@189.74.62.242) joined ##slackware. [13:15] seems like it should work fine....maybe you should upgrade your kernel [13:16] BackMonkey, did you check with lsof like i sugested earlier [13:16] yeah but im not root, cant see half the stuff [13:16] how would I check lsof? [13:16] effy11, lsof | grep snd [13:16] effy11, lsof | grep dsp [13:17] today i had to create suse rpm packages for my boss, never done that and i wished i had never done it now as well [13:17] aplay 3502 backm mem CHR 116,16 7850 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p aplay 3502 backm 3r CHR 116,33 7799 /dev/snd/timer aplay 3502 backm 4u CHR 116,16 7850 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p aplay 3502 backm 5u CHR 116,0 7869 /dev/snd/controlC0 knotify4 3852 root 12u CHR 116,0 [13:17] RPM SUCKS [13:17] >.> [13:17] which nvidia files do i need from slackbuilds to install nvidia drivers [13:18] stuart: nvidia-kernel and nvidia-driver [13:18] are there slackbuilds for the nvidia drivers ? [13:18] zaltekk, great thanks [13:18] actually the file off nvidia.com is kinda cool too [13:18] wow never knew that [13:18] effy11, try killall aplay [13:19] i was running that, already killed it [13:19] ok [13:19] i works 99 % of the time the nvidia *.run script [13:19] as a last resort try killall -9 knotify [13:19] i dont expect it would work but worth a try [13:19] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:19] killall -9 knotify4 rather [13:19] i would just drop to init 3 [13:19] well cat urandom is working now, no dsp error [13:20] f29 (~a@189.74.62.242) left irc: [13:20] but if there is no sound....kernel upgrade sounds like an idea [13:20] Nick change: notKlaat1 -> notKlaatu [13:20] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [13:20] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [13:21] effy11: plug headphones or speakers into each port on your mobo...see if you ehar static [13:21] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:21] it sounds 2 pebkac [13:21] open up a laptop? :S [13:22] effy11: oh there is only one speaker port....argg, i dont know then, i'd upgrade the kernel [13:22] everything looks good...should be working [13:22] do you have a volume/mute on your laptop somewhere [13:23] I just tried something [13:23] 1 sec [13:23] im playing static now...so you should know wh en it works hehe [13:23] didn't wrok [13:24] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:24] I guess it doesn't matter too much [13:25] I still have windows if i need to hear anything :P [13:25] effy11: well you can install the latest slackware kernel from -current if you want [13:25] how would I do that? [13:25] How would I go about uninstalling WINE? [13:26] does anyone know how to to write a wrapper Makefile so it descents in any directory in CWD and starts makefiles there [13:26] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] removepkg wine CelestialWurm [13:26] or if you compiled it yourself [13:26] goarilla: That simple? [13:26] go to the source dir and do [13:26] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [13:26] sudo make uninstall [13:26] goarilla: Just for future reference, where would the source dir be? [13:27] did you compile it yourself ? [13:27] goarilla: No, I'm just taking note for future reference. [13:27] CelestialWurm, you would know if you built it from source [13:27] what's that slackware channel where you play !bomb? besides #slackware-alqaida [13:27] the source dir is wherever you put it [13:27] yeah it really is [13:27] effy11: cd /tmp/; wget http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/a/*.txz; upgradepkg *.txz; lilo -v; reboot i guess [13:27] also sudo is not set up by default goarilla [13:28] but i'm thinking your a linuxpackages.et guy [13:28] et* [13:28] crap [13:28] :D [13:28] effy11: you are 32bit right [13:28] effy11, dont did that [13:28] Okay. Thanks guys. One last thing: if I uninstall WINE, will I have to reinstall any programs I used WINE to install? [13:28] you cant upgrade aaa [13:28] and thats in that dir [13:28] CelestialWurm: no [13:28] oobe: oh yeah oops [13:28] if you used wine to install it [13:29] effy11: cd /tmp/; wget http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/a/kernel-*.txz; upgradepkg *.txz; lilo -v; reboot i guess [13:29] you would need wine to run it most likely [13:29] only want kernel packages lol [13:29] that shouldnt work either but wont break there system [13:29] Mmkay, thanks everyone! [13:30] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:30] wget cant do wild cards [13:30] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:30] I am 32bit [13:30] not like that no [13:30] oobe: damn i swear ive done that before [13:31] use -A txz and then ......./slackware/a/ [13:31] also if she is using 13 then the slackware current kernel is built against different gcc version so you wont beable to build drivers [13:31] just give her a link to a kernel compile page [13:31] her* ? [13:31] yeah heh [13:32] i am used to effy as a female name however i am making an assumption [13:33] effy from skins ? [13:33] no [13:33] I am a male actually :P [13:33] besides that i've never that name [13:33] called saul cahill [13:33] heard* [13:33] I've never seen skins [13:33] and came up with this before I knew it was a girls name [13:33] Is a .tar.bz2 always the source? [13:34] CelestialWurm: usually [13:34] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] I apologize for the silly questions, I'm a Slacknewb :P. [13:34] or it could be a compressed file, i usually use that format when i archive stuff [13:34] yeah before that show i would have never linked that name to a girl either [13:34] but it's brittish [13:34] where is the kernel compile page? [13:35] I am british too [13:35] tar.gz or tar.bz2 it's just an archiving format like zip CelestialWurm [13:35] british usually means english [13:35] no i mean GB [13:35] pupiteee (~p@93.86.158.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:35] not UK [13:35] cause all the others hate the english [13:35] goarilla, its common among greek people its a female name with greeks i think [13:36] maybe besides wales [13:36] yeah but probably not pronounced the same way [13:36] greeks are odd [13:36] effy11: type tail -f /tmp/kernel.txt [13:36] brb [13:37] goarilla: s/odd/god? [13:37] CelestialWurm, tar.bz2 is a type of compression most people use it for source or tar.gz but the it can be used to pack anything its a bit like winrar or zip [13:37] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-130-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [13:37] k, do you see it effy11 [13:37] sorry i didnt read all of that [13:37] sorry for going off topic, but does anyone in here by chance posess a fujitsu siemens xi 1546 laptop and have the recovery cd/dvd available? [13:38] Thanks once again everyone :]. [13:39] one sec [13:39] no sahk0 [13:39] their language is odd [13:40] is it ln -s linux linux-2.6.32 or ln -s linux-2.6.32 linux i always get it wrong [13:40] it's the mother of all the latin ones but it's just odd because the resemblance is mostley gone or very far far fetched [13:40] asdf can you read this ill tell you how to install the kernel cd /usr/src/ wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.32.tar.bz2 tar xf linux-2.6.32.tar.bz2 cp linux/.config linux-2.6.32/ rm linux [13:40] effy11, here http://www.slackbasics.org/html/kernel.html#chap-kernel-intro [13:40] get the latest source from kernel.org [13:41] 2.6.33 i think [13:41] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:41] 2.6.33 seems unstable... [13:41] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [13:42] cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config in the source directory and then following the build directions [13:42] ratdance (~ratdance@modemcable086.199-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:43] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [13:43] hy [13:43] yeah or just copy the one from slackware's default /usr/src/linux/.config i gave him all the instructions [13:43] rg3 (~deckard@85.152.206.242) joined ##slackware. [13:43] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:43] anyone have problems to use ICQ on pidgin ? [13:43] i still think its a her [13:44] think who's a her? me? [13:44] even if she insists on being make [13:44] *male [13:44] yea effy11 sorry i am joking [13:44] kk [13:44] efi in greek is writren with one f [13:44] but i was talking about you [13:44] effy11: you can follow those directions right [13:44] the ones you gave? of cours [13:44] e [13:45] gar0t0: read the usenet [13:45] brainvision (~brainvisi@host242-129-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:45] i am asking here because i do not know where to ask : do u know where can i find a good tutorial in assambler for a PIC 16f684 ? i only find for others.. [13:45] there was a problem with it [13:45] k, make sure you dont delete your old entries from lilo.conf just in case the new one doesnt boot [13:45] ok [13:45] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:45] copy a section from lilo.conf and only change the label and the kernel it points to, then save and lilo -v of course [13:46] i think it was this gar0t0 http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/browse_thread/thread/ebe8186734f3db34/5bdd515fbdc8f073?lnk=gst&q=pidgin#5bdd515fbdc8f073 [13:47] ooh crap it's about AIM my bad [13:47] :D [13:48] thanks for all the help :) [13:48] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:49] goarilla: work fine here!! disabling the "Use clientLogin" [13:50] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.117.78) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:50] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.206.139) joined ##slackware. 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[13:55] effy11: you should search for your laptop model/name and also linux laptop tool or something, maybe it requires a program to enable a circuit [13:55] or maybe kernel will fix it, who knows lol [13:55] yeah [13:55] seeing as it runs fine in most latest debian based distros [13:56] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:56] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [13:56] so, what is the ETA on a laptop with 2gb of ram and a 1.66ghz dual core? [13:57] use make -j3 if you have dual core [13:57] oh ____ [13:57] it will build pretty quick that way [13:57] bleargh, nevermind now [13:59] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:02] I noticed that some things in rc.d are not being started at startup such as fail2ban. How can I fix this? [14:02] sec0nd: run the scripts manually and look for errors or find their logs if they dont start [14:03] or chmod +x the rc.poo [14:03] is there a way to check and see if they have been started [14:03] I did fail2ban-client and it said the server wasn't started [14:04] you might even need to put sh /etc/rc.d/rc.poo restart in rc.local .... [14:04] one or all [14:04] ps aux shows if its running [14:04] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.4.212) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:05] blatun (~4fe8a359@gateway/web/freenode/x-xbgjwceuelmplcrp) joined ##slackware. [14:05] sec0nd, not all scripts in /etc/rc.d/ automatically run even if that are +x executable [14:06] :P i didn't know they didn't have the +x [14:06] to make them start on boot you need to add them somewhere to your scripts [14:06] i thought that on install the scripts would be started [14:06] like /etc/rc.d/rc.local will do [14:06] sec0nd, no [14:06] hi, is slapt-get still the predominant (recommended) tool of its kind? [14:06] In other words I though that fail2ban's install + others would have chmoded +x the scripts since they added them [14:07] no [14:07] sbopkg [14:07] blatun: ^ [14:07] a lot of those scripts are part of the package and be executed unless you specify [14:07] thanks oobe [14:07] otherwise you will have 100 services you dont need running [14:07] sorry for all the questions but how do I register php with apache? [14:07] and things would break [14:07] np sec0nd [14:08] blatun, no slackpkg is [14:08] however slapt-get handles 3rd party sources and deps but slackpkg doesnt [14:08] you can get slackpkg in the offical cd of slackware and slackware devs endorse it [14:08] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E290A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] hm ok... sbopkg or slackpkg [14:09] slackpg is better/official [14:09] ok thanks [14:09] it depends on how you look at it [14:09] HoldMyPocket (~charleskh@12.157.146.158) joined ##slackware. [14:09] but sbopkg automates the slackbuilds process a bit and has more packages (somewhat) to install [14:09] i didnt say which is better i just gave him info to make his own decision [14:10] sberthelot (~sberthelo@2002:52ea:963c:1::11) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:10] pupiteee (~p@93.86.36.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:12] oobe: just giving him the pros of sbopkg [14:12] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] onlything is you need to watch the dependencies or else it won't compile or errors [14:12] hi slava_dp [14:13] hi sec0nd [14:13] sec0nd, not critisizing [14:13] i dont like to use the better is all [14:14] ppl want simple answers but you cant define one thing as best in a single sentence [14:15] Rossonero (~Makaveli@wana-19-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Action: MrTopic is back [14:15] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:16] no more chess again, it sucks time amazingly :s [14:17] i used to play a lot of chess [14:17] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:17] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] chess <> IT [14:17] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [14:18] you have to choose one of them ! [14:18] no you don't :P [14:18] ComputerChess [14:18] :D [14:19] instead of developing my computing skills I was passing time studying chess theories : opening end games [14:20] I was specially focused in KIA opening and Sicilian defense.. reading many books and watching commented games.. [14:20] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [14:20] there is a self help group called chess players anonymous [14:20] you should join [14:21] O_O [14:21] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.38) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:21] sounds like you hit rock bottom [14:21] it took me all the night without doing nothing in computing [14:21] I was even wondering to start pro chess carrier :S [14:21] a drug problem would have probably been easier to manage it sounds [14:22] http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2202845783 [14:22] HoldMyPocket, INDEED [14:22] such a sad story [14:22] Someone should have warned me building from source takes forever xD. [14:22] building slackware? [14:22] No. WINE. [14:22] CelestialWurm: Why would you think it wouldn't? [14:22] CelestialWurm, depends :-) [14:22] straterra: First time I'm doing it xD. [14:22] ok [14:23] Action: mag0o turns back clock and warns CelestialWurm that building WINE from sources takes forever on his machine [14:23] wine is not exactly a small program [14:23] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) left ##slackware. [14:23] mag0o: Thanks ;] [14:24] At the end of this, as long as everything works, I'll be perfectly happy. [14:26] pupiteee (~p@93.87.113.153) joined ##slackware. [14:27] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:28] why is ldap support configured in some Slackware packages , which i find highly Debianish . Slackware packages shouldn't have any type of dependencies, specially ones that don't fit the normal users needs. [14:29] what do you intend to run in wine CelestialWurm [14:29] xsamurai: because, you know, there's this thing called "servers", and slackware can be made to work like one :P [14:29] oobe, warcraft of course ! [14:29] oobe: StarCraft BW, Continuum. [14:29] Ventrilo. [14:29] hhhhhhhhhhhh [14:29] rg3: not practical , i can justify that for alot of configuration options [14:30] good luck with that [14:30] i dont play games [14:30] CelestialWurm, then you need Wow too I think [14:30] Action: slava_dp runs Diablo II in wine. sometimes. when he's really bored. [14:30] I was already sunning SC:BW fine and Ventrilo fine, but I had to do some crazy shit to get Continuum working. [14:30] running* [14:31] Well not really crazy shit, but I had to uninstall WINE. [14:32] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [14:32] xsamurai: interesting, you can write PV about it so he can ignore it conveniently :) [14:32] juan (500@200.93.2.161) joined ##slackware. [14:33] rg3: not if i attach sexy pictures of myself in naughty poses [14:34] Hm. Interesting. Anyone know why Ventrilo didn't crash after I uninstalled WINE? [14:34] xsamurai: ok, send them to me and i'll forward your complains [14:35] CelestialWurm: uninstalling wine didn't uninstall your bottle? [14:35] juan (500@200.93.2.161) left irc: Client Quit [14:35] mag0o: Bottle? [14:35] i think that's what they call it - the fake windows install to hold your app [14:36] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:36] mag0o: Oh okay. Were you actually asking whether it did or not, or was that an answer phrased as a question? [14:36] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:36] mwuahah i just got 283 points on openyahtzee [14:36] that phrase was answered as a question [14:37] look in .wine (or something similar) [14:37] Well thanks for the answer :]. [14:37] rg3: i'll send them after you've had your lunch [14:37] or just see where Ventrilo launches from and see if it still exists [14:37] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:37] .wine is still there. [14:37] _juan (500@200.93.2.161) joined ##slackware. [14:38] _juan (500@200.93.2.161) left irc: Client Quit [14:39] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [14:39] _juan (500@200.93.2.161) joined ##slackware. [14:39] ? [14:39] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Action: Rossonero going to watch the clash Milan man u.. FORZA MILAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:40] mk [14:41] Action: MrTopic is away: away [14:42] slackboy is sleeping again [14:45] acidchild (ash@septic.ziwall.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:45] btw who's working on the package browser on slackware site ? [14:46] whati? [14:46] Nick change: gar0t0 -> branquinho [14:46] Nick change: branquinho -> gar0t0 [14:46] guax: was "whati" in response to my question [14:47] effy11: your firefox running as root is crashing.... [14:47] 3968 root 20 0 525m 143m 38m S 94 7.6 119:46.06 firefox-bin [14:47] 94% cpu constantly or higher [14:47] that will slow down compile a lot [14:47] xsamurai, yes, with a typo for "i" [14:48] actualy, "what package browser" is a better question [14:48] which [14:48] http://www.slackware.org/packages/ [14:48] effy11: actually it will slow your entire computer down, i suggest killall firefox-bin [14:52] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:52] effy11: lol isnt it CRAWLING with firefox using 100% cpu for no reason [14:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:54] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [14:54] not if it's a core2 [14:54] wb phrag [14:54] firefox is so bad now [14:55] Action: Delahunt has no problems with firefox: it works great [14:56] well its stuck in an infinite loop here lol [14:56] the compile is slow but everything else seems fine :s [14:56] icecat is like 20 times better than firefox now :p [14:56] I'll close firefox then [14:56] type top [14:56] to see that its the top program [14:57] 3968 root 20 0 514m 141m 37m S 91 7.5 127:19.63 firefox-bin [14:57] cya's [14:57] brb [14:57] effy11 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [14:57] should just use xchat lol [14:58] BackMonkey, um that could very well easily be the website. i've noticed that once in a while (once a month) facebook java scripting hangs firefox (but killing the tasks fixes it) [14:58] it was java irc + firefox [14:58] yep [14:58] real java [14:58] yikes [14:59] indeed [14:59] effy11 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [14:59] what was the kill all command again? [14:59] Hey guys, I got my iPod Touch for free. Is it possible to setup iTune on slack? :D [14:59] I'm in seamonkey [14:59] init[1]|znc (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:59] effy11: firefox is dead, it was your java app i think, should use xchat :p [15:00] effy11, "killall" [15:00] (no way?) [15:00] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:00] iTunes will only use up to v7 on wine IIRC [15:00] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:00] D: What does that mean? I am new to this Mac stuff. [15:00] you should probably ps aux | grep fire | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill [15:01] BackMonkey I would but I'm logged in as root [15:01] webchat.freenode.net [15:01] no java needed just javascript [15:01] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:01] ok [15:01] Ooh. [15:01] Ugh. [15:01] Brb. [15:01] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:01] effy11 (~effy11@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532.midd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:01] effy11 (~d56b3615@gateway/web/freenode/x-ukiofkwqolmahexr) joined ##slackware. [15:01] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [15:01] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [15:01] yey [15:02] yee [15:02] feels faster [15:02] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest20135 [15:02] everything should be faster now [15:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] without an entire core spazzing out [15:02] lol [15:02] if it's a core2, the entire core wasn't spazzing out [15:02] effy11: why dont you have a swap partition? [15:02] er core 2 duo [15:03] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Nick change: guax -> soul_of_guax [15:03] and if he's compiling with only "make bzImage" or whatever, he might consider starting over (if this is a dual core CPU) with make -j4 (2 per processor) [15:03] make bzImage is deprecated since 2.6 lol [15:04] BackMonkey, I dunno [15:04] BackMonkey, um, no, read "make help" [15:04] i thought 2.4 [15:04] it is not depreciated at all [15:04] you are supposed to just type make and make modules_install afaik [15:04] always works here [15:04] oxiredo_ro (~dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:04] yes but if you read the help that makes not only vmlinuz but bzImage [15:04] I followed your commands BackMonkey [15:04] yeap [15:05] cut vmlinuz out and just make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install [15:05] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:05] Nick change: soul_of_guax -> guax [15:05] i guess, probably takes the same amount of time [15:05] as for depreciation, nothing listed in make help is marked as depreciated [15:05] you just have an uncompressed copy of the kernel somewhere [15:05] it's been running for a while now, cba to restart [15:05] dont restart [15:06] I won't [15:06] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] is it just me or is konqueror's rendering engine rather rubbish? [15:06] i don't think it's just you [15:06] yea [15:07] who develops it? [15:07] communists [15:08] heh [15:08] is konqueror still using khtml or has it moved to webkit? [15:08] apple and trolltech [15:08] I have been amazed at the ammount of communistical ideals on a few open source programs [15:08] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@ppp-69-215-9-122.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] or kde gus [15:09] hi guys o/ [15:09] who is kde gus? I know a kde fred but not a kde gus [15:09] effy11, communistic ideas? [15:09] phrag! [15:09] rg3 (~deckard@85.152.206.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:09] phrag: you gradiated yet? [15:10] effy11: how far is it lol [15:10] how far is what? [15:10] the compile? [15:10] yeah [15:10] drivers rtc [15:10] Immundus (~obi@g225062160.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:10] scsi now [15:11] well in the future you can do make -j3, should be faster...you might be able to do it now without rebuilding anything [15:11] _juan (500@200.93.2.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:12] if you ctrl +c and tyle make -j3 [15:12] nah, I'll leave it [15:12] if you're recompiling a kernel, it knows where it leaves off [15:12] you can control-C if you want [15:12] its almost done anyway [15:12] most everything knows where it leaves off [15:12] fuzzbawl: hey dude! long time =) [15:12] its just doing modules...which with default .config is half of it i guess [15:12] fuzzbawl: yes i have graduated =) hows it going? [15:13] phrag: indeed! I jumped back in here to let everyone know the good news. We are making a corporate decision today: CentOS or Slackware. So far Slack is winning [15:13] 30 servers and growing... =) [15:13] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] just to have an idea: do you guys know the inside-out of linux and apps? i mean, how often do you google and search the internet [15:13] if we pick Slack then the long process starts of rebuilding all those boxen to Slack, but at least I won't have to deal with RPMs anymore [15:14] what's google? [15:14] lol [15:14] http://google.com [15:15] so? [15:15] what's google? [15:15] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Quit: curiosity kill the kat [15:15] isn't google that new yahoo alternative some kids started? [15:15] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] yeah, back in '97 ish wasn't it? [15:16] i mostly rtfm, Azeotrope. [15:16] but soemtimes things get tough and i go to the interwebs [15:16] if I ask you how to forward a port to a virtualbox do you know the *exact* command without looking even a bit to the man? [15:16] phrag: great to hear you are done with classes! things here are going pretty well. how's life across the pond? [15:16] but i'm no expert, so there's the real answer i guess [15:16] Azeotrope: nope [15:16] but then i'm not really a networking guy, i do multimedia mostly [15:17] I'm asking cause I heard some guy telling me that if you go to a job interview, the boss might ask you question to prove you know shit [15:17] so if you asked me how to convert video at a certain sample rate with a certain bitrate favouring either file size or quality, i could rattle off a few commands. [15:17] it finished making [15:17] Azeotrope: depends on the job you're applying for [15:18] Azeotrope:well, yeah. and if not during the interview then if you get the job there will be times when you don't have the luxury of looking at a man page. [15:18] Azeotrope: that is usually a scare tactic used by the interviewer to show they are in control. [15:18] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:19] BackMonkey, how do I edit it into lilo? [15:19] nano -w /etc/lilo.conf [15:19] Azeotrope: btw, there is a lack of information in that question. Fill in the blanks: iptables -i ____ -p ____ --dport _____ -j DNAT --to vbox.ip [15:19] uSlacker (~gmartin@173.62.249.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:19] copy a section and paste it [15:19] huh? [15:19] erp, s/iptables/iptables -t nat/ [15:19] select + middle click is copy/paste [15:20] alienBOB: do you know that in my country IT is so evolved that the police database with people's names, social security numbers and addresses is free to download from dc++ hubs? [15:20] middle click? [15:20] oh lol [15:20] here ill put it in /tmp/ [15:20] all they do is showoffs. [15:20] Azeotrope: sounds like Haiti [15:21] fuzzbawl: not really. [15:21] effy11: ok its in /tmp/ look at the bottom for what was added...cp it to /etc/ [15:21] image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32n root = /dev/sda2n label = Linux-2.6.32n read-only [15:21] then you do lilo -v and make sure it completes [15:22] you did make modules_install right [15:22] anyway, this dude works as an IT consultant and had to ssh in a PBX to capture some packets and didn't know how. no idea of wireshark or tcpdump [15:22] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:22] omnipotentduo (ray@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [15:22] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Azeotrope: tried justniffer ? [15:23] BackMonkey, I can't remember :< [15:23] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:23] pretty good for tcp [15:23] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:23] effy11 cd /usr/src/linux;make modules_install [15:23] then after lilo you reboot [15:23] I did the bits after that though =/ [15:23] BackMonkey: thanks but i was saying that the dude didn't knew about wireshark and all [15:23] you can do it now [15:24] ok [15:24] so it should be fine [15:24] phew [15:24] effy11: then cp /tmp/lilo.conf /etc/ [15:24] lilo -v, reboot [15:24] ok [15:24] can i haz ##slackware logs? [15:25] This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ [15:25] BackMonkey: He knows that, they've been down a few days now. [15:25] to bad log site is down [15:25] gonna reboot [15:25] here's hoping it worked [15:26] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Bah what a pain. [15:26] Now I dislike Mac and Windows even more. [15:26] It's like they teamed up to fight against Linux. At least I got this iPod free. [15:26] is there an easier way to reboot then loggin out then pressing ctrl+alt+del [15:26] "reboot" as root [15:26] or "shutdown -r now" as root [15:26] effy11: logging out is a pretty good way [15:26] add yourself to power group and use xfce/kde menu [15:27] want to make sure kde closes correctly [15:27] yeah [15:27] it seems rather tempremental [15:27] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:27] xfwmconfig and choose xfce :) [15:28] amen [15:28] It's xwmconfig [15:29] lol yeah [15:29] Delahunt, man pkill, man pgrep, no need for that horrible pipeline [15:29] riza: put rockbox on it and you won't have to worry any longer [15:29] slava_dp, thanks [15:30] SYN4PS3 (~chatzilla@188.158.96.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:31] rockbox? [15:31] Ooh, it's just a mp3 player. I don't really need it. [15:31] Delahunt, :) [15:31] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [15:31] effy11 (~d56b3615@gateway/web/freenode/x-ukiofkwqolmahexr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:32] how do i change execution to double click instead of single click in Dolphin? [15:32] riza: http://www.rockbox.org/ [15:32] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] riza: I have that installed on an iPod nano I gave my son [15:32] rockbox also plays ogg (vanilla apple os doesn't) [15:32] correct [15:33] andas all of you know, ogg vorbis ownz [15:33] *and as [15:33] ogg > mp3 [15:33] flac > ogg [15:33] indeed [15:33] flag > ogg > mp3 [15:34] hmm the kernel compile didnt work [15:34] ogg is a waste of manpower, it'll never take off or go anywhere [15:34] define didn't work [15:34] damn needs initrd or customize .config [15:34] stuart: In Dolphin, go to: Settings, Configure Dolphin, Navigation, choose Double Click [15:34] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] thrice`, it already takes off and goes somewhere: i have an ogg player and i use it on my 16gb sd hc card on my netbook for taking to band practice [15:34] fire|bird, thanks [15:35] ogg rocks in more than one way for me [15:35] one cannot say that the lame mp3 encoder isn't impressive tho with vbr [15:35] and it's not nice to spread FUD about a linux project when you're a linux user [15:35] but no music stores, etc. will ever offer it. so..maybe .1% of the people (linux geeks) use it? [15:35] html5 will see ogg proliferate [15:35] but there's no Navigation option in Configure Dolphin [15:35] go do some research and let us know how many linux geeks use it please [15:35] I see more flacs around than ogg [15:35] .1% of people back hair [15:36] flac makes sense, another lossy codec does not [15:36] stuart: There is here, but I'm on KDE 4.4.1, so maybe the location has changed. [15:36] i do remember when i want to say the id tags of a ogg song that it takes quite some time and cpu in comparison to mp3 [15:36] case in point, they sell ogg players [15:36] more people have a unibrow than use ogg [15:36] see and edit* [15:36] thrice`, my thougts exactly [15:37] but ogg > mp3, i have verified through my own listening, and so have others [15:37] Thank you so much ClaudioM I will look into that. :D [15:37] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] mp3 is lossy but has laws [15:37] er has flaws [15:37] Anything else? :D [15:37] the nice things about ogg are: a) for equal sized files, .ogg is much better audio than .mp3 b) ogg is less patent encumbered [15:37] Gr1nch_ (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [15:37] Delahunt, believe me, I'm just as much a free-software geek as the next guy, but one must choose their battles; ogg is one that will go nowhere [15:37] yeah but it's ubiquitous [15:37] effy11 (~d56b3615@gateway/web/freenode/x-uumqqztsxriwsfkw) joined ##slackware. [15:37] damn [15:37] thrice`, in your own mind, true, in reality, no, it is going just fine here [15:37] stuart: http://imagebin.org/88364 There's where it is for me. [15:37] the kernel just panicked syncing disk [15:37] effy11: i think we forgot to build ext4 and your chipset driver in [15:37] sure, but you buy physical CD's are rip them to ogg [15:38] ah man [15:38] how would I do that [15:38] effy11: normally you have to make an initrd :( yeah i forgot cuz i always build them in [15:38] thrice`, no i rip to flac, i encode to ogg for portable devices (flacs are my archive) [15:38] well you use ext4 [15:38] fire|bird, found it, it's in pc settings [15:38] stuart: Ah, ok. Glad you found it. :) [15:38] the single click to open was kinda annoying [15:38] ffs, it's the same thing. the point is that you don't BUY .ogg files from any major location, because noone in their right mind offers them [15:39] iirc there was one place you can [15:39] what's the slapt-get command for wine? [15:39] fail --much [15:39] didn't the BBC/UK stream ogg for a while? [15:39] admboom, they are still using rm and flash afaik [15:39] mancha, you don't think h264 makes more sense for html5? it has a far superior size:quality ratio than ogv [15:40] x264 should silently die. [15:40] why? [15:40] no i don't - i don't want to be patent encumbered and risk losing my entire encoded collection because of a millenium violaiton [15:40] we need another free (and better) video codec. [15:40] not another closed codec with future patent issues. [15:40] that's such FUD. [15:41] no it's not. [15:41] much less most linux distros don't seem to ship with lame (or has that changed?) [15:41] reinvent an incredibly round wheel, with some shitty "open" format ? [15:41] first, prove it's shitty [15:41] what's wrong with x264? it's open source, use it and love it [15:41] effy11: argg, oobe was right [15:41] second, per bit rate, it has fewer loss problems [15:41] er nevermind you switched to video codecs [15:41] ClaudioM, I have a question. Can you still use iPod Touch even if you cancel the service with the ISP? D: [15:42] Backmonkey, ok [15:42] SYN4PS3 (~chatzilla@188.158.96.11) joined ##slackware. [15:42] riza: oh this is an iPod touch? I don't think that's supported ye4t [15:42] thrice what does one need to do to play html5 youtube ? [15:42] because of the encrypted firmware [15:42] I think I'll leave it for a while [15:42] D: [15:42] effy11: cp /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp /usr/src/linux/.config [15:42] but you can check the changelog for rockbox [15:42] SYN4PS3 (chatzilla@188.158.96.11) left ##slackware. [15:42] riza: if anything, I hear that Amarok is getting better with iPod support [15:42] done back monkey [15:42] not sure about the touch though [15:43] Delahunt, sure, h264 offers m-block control, p-frame prediction, and other stuff noone else has touched. it results in awesome quality for a smaller size [15:43] effy11: then you just do make oldconfig and make [15:43] thrice`: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Patent_licensing [15:43] It is not free [15:43] thrice`, my apologies, you guys changed subjects, my fault [15:43] effy11: then all the same stuff and lilo -v (dont need to edit lilo.conf if you copy files to same place) [15:43] BackMoneky, in which directory do I do the make old config again? [15:43] effy11: and make -j3 this time of course, sorry about the mistake lol [15:44] i am interested in getting used to vi, but it can't seem to edit .html files? [15:44] Nick change: Guest20135 -> akber [15:44] effy11: its cuz we didnt have ext4 built in or your chipset driver which the huge-smp config in /boot/ does but not in the kernel-source package (which we used) [15:44] alienBOB, I know it's not without patents :> [15:44] stuart, try vim [15:44] I'll start reading then. Thanks again ClaudioM. :D [15:44] like

hi this is a header

, in vi, the brackets are gone? [15:44] cobra2 (~someone@unaffiliated/cobra2) joined ##slackware. [15:44] akber (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [15:44] akber (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [15:44] do software patents hold up in the EU anyway ? [15:44] Nick change: akber -> init[1]|znc [15:44] is there any alternative to not use patents in the MPEG spec? [15:44] effy11: make oldconfig in /usr/src/linux/ [15:44] ok [15:44] same as everything [15:45] then make -j3 [15:45] JessiJames (~jschiwal@72-24-185-78.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] vi edits html just fine, html is just text, after all. [15:45] mancha: u lie [15:45] one can use theora but i don't know if anything supports theora [15:45] vim has nice syntax colouring though [15:45] riza: no problem [15:46] so make -j3? [15:46] stuart, you're probably using elvis, that renders html by default i think. [15:46] Delahunt: wtf do you think they mean by "armed forces service medal veteran" ?? [15:46] Action: Delahunt has no clue [15:46] stuart, this might come handy :) http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html [15:46] effy11: yes [15:46] Delahunt: i'm being asked this in a questionnaire. [15:46] effy11: refer to /tmp/kernel.txt [15:46] Delahunt: i have medal's and i am a veteran. [15:46] try "vim myfile.html" to see the html tags [15:46] probably [15:46] stuart, and use vim, not vi [15:47] ok, gonna go in the bath now then, brb [15:47] but do they mean something more like a purple heart or silver/bronze star sorta thing? [15:47] k [15:47] agentc0re: army?? [15:47] fuck... wrong window. [15:47] cool, just thought of learning vi as i could use it in the crappiest of consoles [15:47] lol it's layout like the table of elements, gonna bookmark that one [15:48] ##OT window selection fail.... [15:48] i don't understand anything. [15:49] agentc0re: http://counsel.cua.edu/fedlaw/Veterans.cfm [15:49] good night fellas i' too damn tired [15:49] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-224-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:50] MrTopic (~roger@83.40.74.117) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:50] stuart, vim is mostly backwards compatible. some things break though, like instead of "gg" in vim you have to use "1 Shift+G" in vi =) [15:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:51] trhodes: and more questions than answers... "Executive Order 12985 (61 FR 1209).  " haha.. whatever that is.. i don't care i put yes. [15:51] haha [15:52] when i make long sentences, does vi/vim wordwrap or is it 1 loooong line in general? [15:52] pupiteee (~p@93.87.113.153) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:52] wraps your fr0 [15:52] I forgot to watch 24 :| [15:52] agentc0re: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12985 (Establishing the Armed Forces Service Medal, sorry for being so OT everyone) [15:53] pfft [15:53] in vim you can :set wrap and :set nowrap. default is wrap [15:53] vim can read your mind :P [15:54] vim can beat up chuck norris [15:54] bull 8-) [15:54] vadmeste (~hannken@41.224.197.142) joined ##slackware. [15:54] wow... and bruce ? [15:54] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:54] Hey, does anyone know a good book about how to lead an open source project or how to lead a project with open source tools ? [15:55] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:55] jack bauer beats both vim and chuck norris [15:55] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E290A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:55] okay stupid question, so now do i need to remove elvis to install vi? [15:55] lol [15:55] stuart, nope [15:55] vadmeste: check out advogato.org (sorry, I know it's not a book) for tips [15:55] how do i run vi then, because typing vi brings up elvis which reads html [15:55] trhodes: lol, you're more motivated than me to find that stuff. hahahaha [15:55] they can co-exist, in fact /bin/vi is merely a symlink on slackware, iirc [15:56] trhodes: thanks. :D [15:56] stuart: just use vim instead of vi [15:56] type "vim" [15:56] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E290A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] or else chance the symlink [15:56] agentc0re: np :) [15:56] or even set alias vi='vim' in your bashrc [15:56] stuart, vi is symlinked to elvis by default, you can symlink it to vim if you wish. [15:56] what's the OT channel? [15:56] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E290A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] ##slackware-offtopic [15:56] ty [15:56] cool how do i change the symlink [15:57] the channel is usually NSFW [15:57] FWIW [15:57] IMHO [15:57] FTW [15:57] rm /usr/bin/vi; ln -s /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/vi [15:57] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E290A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] stuart: ls -l `which vi` first, to be safe [15:57] mancha, ln -sf [15:57] Is what?? [15:57] Azeotrope: STFW [15:57] maybe the vi/elvis/vim install scripts need a bit more intelligence [15:58] slava, i prefer to rm manually. but yeah, timesaveris -sf [15:58] *time saver is [15:58] ls cannot access which vi, no such file or dir [15:58] Azeotrope: time to invest some time in google searches [15:58] you forgot the quotes [15:58] backticks [15:58] LMGTFY [15:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] but anyways, on a default slack install, mancha is 100% correct [15:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:59] if you dont install elvis vi is automagically symlinked to vim [16:00] Action: trhodes wonders if vim is more popular than elvis... [16:00] but elvis is so much fun. and it only uses 3 megs. [16:01] vim is 25 :) [16:01] elvis is a mini free vi clone [16:01] Action: Delahunt removepkg's elvis joe jove vim gvim [16:01] JessiJames (jschiwal@72-24-185-78.cpe.cableone.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [16:01] isn't there a jed, too ? (tiny) [16:01] Action: slava_dp suspects Delahunt is a emacs user [16:01] vim is vi improved with added features and *more* user friendly [16:01] trhodes, i'd say if you can find out if debian (and descendants) and redhat ship elvisor not [16:01] yeah jed [16:01] Action: Delahunt stabs slava_dp with nano and pico [16:01] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:01] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:02] so naturaly should be more powerfull (and bigger) [16:02] nano and pico are for n00bz :) [16:02] debian installs vim-tiny by default [16:02] Action: Delahunt does his advanced editing using scripts rather than vi [16:02] mcedit, too (at least it defaults to syntax highlighting) [16:02] sed wtf [16:02] s/wtf/ftw/ =) [16:03] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [16:03] there's probably a largish group (of weirdos if you ask me) that won't stray from emacs [16:03] pfft, shells are all the text editor anybody needs :P [16:03] editor wars are so 1999 [16:03] copy con ftw [16:03] Action: Drakevr Emacs Makes Any Computer Slow [16:03] i like emacs and vim (and i'm poor with both) [16:03] sometimes i launch mousepad as root [16:04] (because i don't care) [16:04] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:04] with the recent inteldrmfb i wouldn't be able to see anything anyways [16:05] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Action: slava_dp likes inteldrmfb [16:05] do any of you folks do any drawing? if so, how's inkscape? [16:05] altho it's tiny too [16:05] never said i hate it, but it's annoying not knowing how to set the console size [16:06] fire|bird, mancha> do any of you folks do any drawing? if so, how's inkscape? [16:07] Delahunt, might want to try: http://old.nabble.com/Boot-resolution-td27765343.html [16:07] mancha: I use inkscape a lot and really like it. I use it with my graphics tablet. [16:08] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] fire, nice. have you had any issues w/ poppler? [16:08] video=800x600 [16:08] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:09] back [16:09] mancha: I haven't, no. However, I'm on -current now and haven't got inkscape built again, glibmm, pangomm, etc. need newer versions and I haven't got everything updated that needs to be yet. [16:09] so after the make is it the same make modules install? [16:09] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [16:10] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E290A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:10] I guess so [16:10] pupiteee (~p@93.86.139.152) joined ##slackware. [16:10] make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install [16:10] that's how i do it personally [16:10] Delahunt, that's out-of-date [16:11] make help | less # then talk to me [16:11] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:11] 1) nothing in make help is marked depreciated [16:11] 'make install' suffices :) [16:11] 2) make runs make vmlinuz and make bzImage and modules. most don't need vmlinuz [16:11] Delahunt, you only need make and make modules_install [16:12] dive, no, you can do it that way or my way or however you want [16:12] and I didn't say it was depricated - just out of date [16:12] gotta reboot [16:12] my option is not depreciated [16:12] or out of date [16:12] just because "make" runs 3 things don't mean i need to do it that specific way [16:12] well 'make' builds modules so what do you think happens if you do 'make modules' after it? [16:12] which is why i said "that's how i do it personally" [16:13] if you do make modules after make it probably does nothing [16:13] (since it seems to be able to figure out what you have and have not done) [16:13] then why use it? [16:13] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:13] i don't use make by itself, see my comment [16:13] make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install [16:13] i make specifically the only 3 things i want [16:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:13] this is nothing more than preference [16:14] so don't say my way is "out of date", nothing in there is marked "out of date" [16:14] it's simply my way, and you have your way [16:14] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:14] which is why (again) i said "this is how i do it" because there is no "this is the right way" [16:14] so long as you have installed modules and a bzImage file to copy over, you can boot it [16:16] that's the way i do it as well, but that aside, how can it be "out of date" if it still works? 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[16:34] nah [16:34] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:34] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-79-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:34] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:35] BackMonkey spent ages trying to help me to no avail [16:35] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Jeffroman (~jeffroman@mail.jacksonhilliard.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] anyone use slackware in vmware fusion? [16:36] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:36] Jeffroman: why? [16:36] I mean, any specific question? [16:36] johndee (~id@95-29-185-148.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-79-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:37] john_dee (~id@95-29-185-148.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:37] what is the best driver to access ext2/3 from windowz? [16:37] johndee, ext2fsd [16:37] Rossonero (~Makaveli@wana-19-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:38] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [16:38] set persistent mount points in the configurator and use as normal disks. [16:39] Jeffroman (jeffroman@mail.jacksonhilliard.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:39] slava_dp: can it mount linux volumes in ro mode? [16:39] yes, audio is working :D [16:39] johndee, yes, you can. [16:39] s/you/it/ [16:39] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Jeffroman (~jeffroman@mail.jacksonhilliard.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] slava_dp: thanks. i'll check it out [16:40] when I wasn't trying to play anything [16:40] johndee: heard good things about ext2ifs [16:40] camarade_tux, just curious based on experience [16:40] ext2ifs? [16:41] Delahunt: first hit on google :-) [16:41] http://www.fs-driver.org/ [16:41] ive used ext2ifs and have had no problems in the past [16:41] dang. i know there are 3 drivers. one of them is not supported and the other one has some problems. guess i'll have to find out myself lol [16:41] only doest ext3 ro I think [16:42] should work with ext4 too however (still ro) [16:42] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:42] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:b::632f) joined ##slackware. [16:43] ugh, now it won't shut up :@ [16:44] effy11: did it work? [16:44] yep [16:44] lol ok type alsactl store as root [16:44] a loud screech then a-ha blasted [16:44] to save whatever levels you pick [16:44] yay [16:45] did you just set that off like? [16:45] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:45] backm@cpc1-sund8-0-0-cust532:/tmp$ mpg123 blah.mp3 [16:46] you can delete this accoutn now if you want [16:46] ok [16:46] GGPIGG (~GGPIGG@65.112.10.196) joined ##slackware. [16:46] (to the tune of peaches) millions of updates, updates for xp [16:46] millions of updates, updates for me [16:46] xp ftw [16:47] xp ftf [16:47] %) [16:47] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434976.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434976.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:49] BackMonkey, could you of warned me about the screeching sound first? [16:50] hey...i messed up something in my xorg.conf that causes the system to hang(can't use Ctrl+Alt+F6 to get a terminal or use any key combinations to kill X), and my default runlevel in /etc/inittab is 4. [16:50] effy11: i didnt know lol [16:50] is there anything i can pass through lilo to change my runlevel? [16:50] effy11: just saw the new mixers in alsamixer [16:50] ok [16:50] and enabled and tested [16:50] lol [16:51] johndee, ext2fsd gives no problems to me. win xp pro, ext3. [16:51] zaltekk, slackware 13 ? [16:51] Delahunt: current [16:51] none of the drivers work with ext4 atm. [16:51] zaltekk, and you're sure you need an xorg.conf? [16:51] i never tried ext2ifs, read it is not very good. [16:51] Delahunt: i have the xorg.conf to modify how it handles my touchpad [16:51] zaltekk, linux single [16:51] zaltekk, ah [16:51] zaltekk, what touchpad? [16:52] Delahunt: synaptics. i have to manually enable horizontal scrolling and tap-clicking [16:52] ah [16:52] admboom: how do i get lilo to boot that way? [16:52] zaltekk, just pass a runlevel number to the kernel command line. like "linux 3" [16:53] so at the lilo boot prompt just add " linux 3"? [16:53] where "linux" is whatever you called your boot label in lilo [16:53] ah, okayu [16:53] i named it Slackware, so just add " 3" to the end [16:53] right-on [16:53] thanks. i knew it was easy, but forgot how =/ [16:53] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:54] and don't forget to perform a tambourine dance or it will not boot. [16:54] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:54] and maybe sacrifice a rubber chicken [16:54] slava_dp: too late, already booted =] [16:54] damn. [16:54] rubber chicken? isn't that el pollo caucho? 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[17:00] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-178.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:00] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: [17:01] hey guys, how can I make sure pulseaudio is working? [17:01] pulseaudio is evil. [17:01] slava_dp, whats so evil about it? [17:01] altho this piece of info does not answer your question directly. [17:01] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-239.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] slava_dp, that's fine. [17:03] I just know it's not very widely supported because everyone thinks "no one uses it" and no one uses it because it isn't very widely supported -_- [17:03] alsa mixes very fine on it's own. so why another layer? [17:03] slava_dp, people said the same thing when alsa tried to replace OSS [17:04] GGPIGG (~GGPIGG@65.112.10.196) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:04] tried and failed [17:04] oss did not mix at all and v3 had lots of problems (which is not true for v4 nowadays). [17:05] I opted to compile XBMC with pulseaudio support because I wanted to be part of the solution, and not part of the problem. The problem being what I mentioned above. [17:05] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:b::632f) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:05] ron1n: i like pulseaudio :) [17:06] trhodes, I'm hoping to learn to like pulseaudio :] [17:06] I'm just not so sure it's behaving. [17:06] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [17:06] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. [17:06] ron1n: test it with espeak [17:06] BackMonkey, alrighty, thanks [17:06] i know that can use pulse audio 18 or 19 [17:07] PULSE_SERVER=localhost padsp [17:07] readme tells you how [17:07] i use mplayer -ao oss [17:07] trhodes, I'll try that first since it seems Slackware doesn't ship with espeak [17:07] huh? pulseaudio and slackware? [17:08] Camarade_Tux, it's on SBo so why not [17:08] oh, ok then [17:08] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] /usr/share/sounds/*wav on slack 12.2 /usr/lib/sounds/*wav afaik on slack 13 or current [17:08] hmm, with the new -current running 2.6.33, i am unable to install the nvidia binary drivers [17:08] the installer complains that it can't determine the versions of the kernel [17:08] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Jeffroman (~jeffroman@mail.jacksonhilliard.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Rossonero (~Milanista@wana-44-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:13] ron1n: your pulse server (with the slackbuild) is going to use X for authentication [17:13] it needs XAUTHORITY set as well as DISPLAY [17:13] hacky pos [17:13] also, PULSE_SERVER needs set [17:13] trhodes, it doesn't ask for any kind of authentication. I added myself to the pulse group if it means anything [17:14] yeah, X for authentication sucks (what superset of linux sound systems isn't going to be hacky?) [17:14] lol [17:14] if you only want network sound, try esd [17:15] if you only want per-app mixing, try alsa [17:15] otherwise, pulse seems to do OK for my needs [17:15] I have no use for network sound, to be honest it was just an optional dependency that looked and sounded like it would add value to XBMC [17:16] ahh ok, then you might want to wait on it [17:16] ron1n: still stuck? [17:16] thumbs, yupp [17:16] stuck trying to get sound working ? [17:16] BackMonkey (189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-leugpismuoqntqoh) left ##slackware. [17:16] I'm thinking of recompiling without pulse support and just saying fsck it [17:17] trhodes, music playback in XBMC, navigation sound and KDE4 sound works fine. [17:17] has anyone been able to install the nvidia drivers with -current? [17:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:18] ron1n: the pulseaudio on SBo is a big piece of shit. I know it. I wrote it. [17:19] pprkut: i use it :) [17:19] Action: slava_dp laughs [17:19] pprkut, heh well then I guess that seals the deal [17:19] uninstalling pulseaudio and deps and building without it [17:20] upgradepkg should take care of reinstalling xbmc correct? I know it doesn't care about version numbers. [17:20] pulseaudio--, alsa++; [17:20] (if that was your only reason for pulse, it's more trouble than it's worth :/ ) [17:21] I realized some time ago (around 13.0rc1) that it had a lot of issue. I tried to solve them but just gave up on it after weeks of fiddling [17:21] trhodes, thats the conclusion I'm coming to [17:21] ron1n, upgradepkg --reinstall, if it's the same package name. [17:21] I mean down the road it could add value. This is a media center pc project. But right now it's more trouble than it's worth [17:21] i needed network audio fancier than what alsa or esd could do, so I went with pulse [17:21] slava_dp, alrighty, thanks [17:22] trhodes: if you feel confident about it, you can take over maintainership of pulseaudio and try to set it right :) [17:22] haha, confident? well, i'll take a look at it :) [17:23] I used pulseaudio for one application. It worked fine. I could never get it to work with anything else. So I guess you're already much farther than I've ever been ;) [17:23] i fiddled with some alsa compat .so's that weren't building on slack64-13.0 a while back, because they weren't building [17:24] ok, i'll look into it :) [17:25] I can remove the jack-audio-connection kit as well right? [17:25] I'm pretty sure pulse is the only thing that uses it. [17:26] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:26] mm, most media players hava a jack backend these days [17:27] but the base line is, if you aren't doing (semi)professional audio or depend on realtime audio, there's not much point in using jack [17:27] if anything breaks I'll put it back :) [17:27] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [17:31] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [17:31] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[17:46] hey im using slackware 13 with xfce as de, how can i control my screen brightness? its seems very dim [17:46] is there anything offered by xfce :S cause i cant find it [17:47] Jeffroman (~jeffroman@mail.jacksonhilliard.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:47] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:47] hmm...i'm closer to getting the nvidia drivers working [17:47] err, is that a job for vbetool ? [17:47] but now it seems that i must unload nvidiafb.ko, but modprobe -r nvidiafb doesn't remove it [17:48] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [17:48] Jeffroman (~jeffroman@mail.jacksonhilliard.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] also, nvidiafb is blacklisted... [17:48] macius, powerdevil does that in KDE, not sure xfce has something like that [17:49] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Client Quit [17:49] Immundus (~obi@g225062160.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout [17:49] Does Pat enters this channel? [17:49] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [17:50] Sometimes [17:50] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:50] hmm, maybe this new noveaufb is the problem [17:50] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [17:51] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [17:51] so, he has a life, not like us [17:51] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] life beyond the slacktrix i mean [17:52] whats the correct way to give my user prem to pppd? [17:53] Jeffroman (jeffroman@mail.jacksonhilliard.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:55] Is moving the source dir of WINE going to affect anything? [17:55] ah, that was the problem. all better: Linux slaktop 2.6.33 #2 SMP Sun Mar 7 11:35:55 CST 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [17:56] Azeotrope: just because you have no life, doesn't mean it applies to every other person in this channel [17:56] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:56] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:56] +1 ananke [17:56] actually, Pat may be more into it than us :) he just doesn't have time to goof off [17:56] true [17:56] and he's on irc almost every day. just not here. [17:57] Cann0n: still fighthin' with dial up... ? :P [17:58] trhodes: actually, i managed to get everything working under my user but pppd [17:58] Is moving the source dir of WINE going to affect anything? [17:58] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:59] CelestialWurm: the source? unless it's being used as a lib [17:59] Cann0n: I don't think it is. I just want to hide it. I'm sick of the clutter :]. [17:59] It won't break anything, right? [18:00] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:01] CelestialWurm: i don't think so. it's not my source. Normally, i keep source in ~/slackware/source [18:01] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:01] Cann0n: man pppd | less -p '\/etc\/ppp\/peers\,' # is that irrelevant to what you're doing ? [18:01] alienBOB: have you released an updated version of your VLC package that you mentioned at http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/some-goodies-to-play-with/ ? [18:02] stuart (~stuart@115.135.76.129) joined ##slackware. [18:02] thanks trhodes [18:03] np, too bad i've got no experience with slack and dial up :( [18:04] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [18:04] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:04] Effectively moved WINE source dir without breaking anything :]. [18:04] Thanks Cann0n. [18:04] hey guys, anyone have a preference between casefans with ball or hydro bearings? [18:04] ananke: please teach me how to get a life... [18:04] that's a difficult class... [18:05] Skywise: i like ballbearings [18:05] yeah, i'm thinking i won't be able to rebuild hyrobearings [18:05] Azeotrope: what do you do when you aren't on the computer that you are not obligated to do? [18:05] tryied rm -rf / but somehow i can't resist to run away from the tall blonde i was with and reinstall [18:06] Skywise: if you have to lub bearings, try White Lithium Grease. I use it on my skateboard bearings and it keeps dust out pretty well [18:07] s/tall\ blonde/tall\ blonde\ blowup\ doll/g # :P [18:07] Cann0n, thats a good idea, even tho it sticks to everything [18:07] Skywise: yeah, i'm just flinging random semi-related know-how :) [18:07] when i quit X the console screen appears longer than the monitor :( [18:08] blatun: CRT ? [18:08] tft [18:08] hrm, i have a hanns-g that does that [18:08] blatun: change your vga settings in /etc/lilo.conf [18:08] trhodes: you know i had to make a text with what I said and run that sed command against it in order to understand? [18:08] then run lilo [18:08] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:08] Azeotrope: haha ;) (i was kiddin' anyways) [18:09] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [18:09] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] do i change apache documentroot if i want my users to be able to create .html too? [18:10] i mean, have their own websites on my domain [18:10] to /home that is [18:10] Cann0n: vga is normal... [18:10] stuart, you can enable user dirs [18:10] what about /home/${USER}/public_html/ ? [18:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:11] Cann0n: it's ok before startx... after quitting the terminal is "too long" [18:11] admboom, how do i do that [18:11] blatun: i never found a fix for my crappy hanns-g (it's the only monitor does that) [18:12] freelibrary (~notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [18:12] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.114.210) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:12] stuart, mod_userdir , uncomment the line for including httpd-userdir.conf in the httpd.conf [18:13] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Client Quit [18:13] towards the bottom, may want to read that include, to verify that is what you are wanting to do [18:13] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:14] the font is larger too... any way to reset at least to a normal state? [18:14] Rossonero (~Milanista@wana-44-244-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:15] admboom, okay cool [18:15] blatun: how did you configure xorg.conf? [18:15] admboom, do i need to restart apache? [18:15] yes [18:15] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:16] stuart, apachectl graceful it [18:16] brb, im gonna test this [18:16] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:17] admboom, okay so now what happens, all they need is just to put index.html in their home dir? [18:17] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Client Quit [18:17] and they have mydomain.com/user ? [18:17] stuart, public_html/index.html [18:17] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:21] admboom, works. very neat [18:21] nice [18:21] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:21] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] trhodes: i got it. thanks for the help [18:22] you're welcome [18:23] grazymax (~grazymax@host212-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:23] all the fixes i found on google sucked [18:24] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [18:24] keep in mind google.com/linux -- it's my second string search [18:24] love google for doing that [18:25] macius (1000@141.117.180.78) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:26] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [18:26] hrm, i'm wondering how to get a bootloader installed on a /dev/hdb that will be a /dev/[hs]da on a new kernel -- and this is going to be a chained bootlader (ie, ntldr is going to call whatever bootloader I will install) [18:26] Cann0n: http://pastebin.com/zCvMFt7M [18:26] freelibrary (~notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:27] Coolmax (~mateusz@ip-94-42-48-226.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[18:39] cobra2 (~someone@unaffiliated/cobra2) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:40] anyone know of a pkg for qemu-0.12.3? can't seem to get it to compile on my machine [18:42] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:44] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:44] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-130-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:44] ang: any reason is has to be 0.12.3 ? http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/qemu/pkg/12.2/ [18:45] that's 10.0-i486 [18:45] sorta....looking for alpha emulation [18:46] ahh ok :/ [18:46] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:47] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:49] shyko (~shyko@187.39.213.29) joined ##slackware. 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[18:55] ang: googling for "alpha emulator" sure brings up lots of cobwebs :) [18:55] totally [18:57] going over this: http://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog still leaves me clueless [18:57] but there is no string match for alpha in 0.12.3 fwiw [18:57] just 0.12.2 [18:57] Joker_-_ (~joker@69.70.227.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:58] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:58] but I see patches for target alpha as of 5/1/10 [18:59] Action: MrTopic slaps MrTopic around with a small 50lb Unix Manual [19:00] yeha, i'm not even sure how well it's supported [19:00] igpay [19:02] Action: MrTopic is away: away [19:05] ang: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ [19:06] crap, n/m, i don't see alpha [19:06] Anyone , grep -r makepkg /var/log/packages/* please ? [19:07] no need, its pkgtools :) [19:07] tks ;D [19:07] rpm2tgz only for root Oo why ? [19:08] no problemo. should be in yer...lesse.."a" dir [19:09] nah, it has +x for world too [19:09] out my PATH :$ [19:09] sry [19:09] /usr/bin should be in a default $PATH - did you do something non-standard? [19:11] mancha, makepkg in /sbin/ [19:11] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [19:12] King_Ozzy (King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left ##slackware. [19:12] i meant rpm2tgz [19:12] grazymax (~grazymax@host243-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:12] rpm2tgz is ok... problem solved. tks mancha ;D [19:12] which is what i thought you meant as you commented about no joy for r00t right after your rpmtgz comment. [19:13] sounds good. - yeah pkgtools stuff is in /sbin - not in a default non-root path [19:14] trying install f*** OpenOffice rpm :/ [19:14] use the slackbuild [19:15] sbopkg -i openoffice :P [19:15] StarX, it is very simple to do, i assume you prefer to use their binary...compiling can be a bit time-consuming [19:16] or if you're feeling froggish, slackbuilds.org/openoffice or something [19:16] mancha, compiling is nice :X but....time is short kkkkkk [19:17] binary time :X [19:17] Starx, get the binary tgz from the openoffice folks, then untar and look in the RPMS dir...that's what you need. [19:17] mancha, K [19:18] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] MrTopic (~roger@83.40.74.117) left irc: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 [19:18] just un-rpm then all into a common dir then you can do stuff like create special .desktop files and so forth to your heart's content. i compile mine so can't give much more details on the rpm structure. [19:19] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] StarX: this is not nice, but if you're feeling adventurous: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/go_openoffice/ [19:19] :P [19:20] oh wow, can you tell me what benefits go has? i've been meaning to play with it [19:20] i don't know myself -- i haven't had to use it :/ [19:20] grazymax (~grazymax@host243-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:20] slack64-current here....im trying downloading OOo_3.2.0_LinuxX86-64_install_en-US.tar.gz [19:21] the front page praises it's benefits: http://go-oo.org/ [19:22] Starx, that looks right [19:22] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:22] and doesn't have JRE included which is good, unless you want that (but why would you) [19:23] trhodes yah, i figued they'd toot their own horn (don't we all). was hoping for a 1st hand user account :> [19:23] rem, doesn't JRE in oo deal with M$'s xml file formats or something ? [19:23] *erm [19:24] Action: trhodes hasn't had to use office software in a while :) [19:24] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [19:24] you need it only if you want java integration. certainly not needed. [19:27] ea_suter (~easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:30] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [19:31] yes, JRE is certainly optional for OO.o to run. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Use_of_Java [19:32] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: flw [19:34] pupiteee (~p@93.86.139.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:34] you might really want XSLT filters, though [19:34] slackboy (~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:35] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [19:35] slackboy joined ##slackware. [19:36] grazymax (~grazymax@host211-154-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[19:51] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [19:52] pupiteee (~p@77.46.234.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:56] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.88) joined ##slackware. [19:58] grazymax (~grazymax@host144-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:59] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:00] i did an NFS install of slackware-current (installpkg slackware/**/*.t?z # not with setup ) onto a drive that's going to be moved to another machine -- since devs-2.3.1-noarch obviously can't install via NFS, is it even necessary ? [20:00] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: reboot [20:01] I think you'll need the devs package when that drive is in another machine. [20:02] hmm, ok -- i was tempted to see what would break :) [20:02] init[1]|znc (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:02] lauNd (~thiago@189-47-213-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:03] wouldn't it just be stuff before udev (in boot) that would have troubles ? [20:03] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:04] hello, do you help-me? [20:04] i dont speak english, ispeak soso.... [20:04] i am create a appliance basead em Slackware ... [20:05] I would like to know how to create a script for creation of partition in lvm [20:06] Nick change: raph0x88__ -> raph0x88 [20:06] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [20:06] somebody help-me? [20:06] (proc and sys are the only things before udev in rc.S) [20:07] dive: worked good? [20:07] udev will remove entries but cannot add. Before udev steps in, the /dev tree is populated. [20:07] Cann0n, yep [20:08] seems so anwyay [20:08] I just to make sure I don't lose the script [20:08] yeah [20:09] grazymax (~grazymax@host144-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:10] gm152: thanks, i'm a udev idiot :) [20:10] me too [20:11] well, anyways, it's no trouble to installpkg devs on the local machine -- I'm just glad to have learned something in the process [20:11] Razec (1000@187-27-243-18.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:12] help me with a script lvm partition via the boot? [20:13] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:13] offhand, does anyone know if devs-* are the only special files installed ? [20:13] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [20:14] lauNd: lvm merely uses partitions -- assuming you want lv's created at boot, why do you want to do something like that at boot time ? [20:17] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.253.139.243) joined ##slackware. [20:17] I am creating an appliance so my idea would be a three paticoes boot swap and / var / cache / squid [20:17] trhodes: aaa_base will make special directories like /proc and /sys for "special" files to be placed. [20:17] Guest42635 (~Greek@cust-253-231.on4.ontelecoms.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:18] ok, so those are merely the mount points, and the installpkg to an nfs mount should have worked as expected ? [20:18] I'm not sure if that answers your question. Other than devs, I don't know any more packages that will do what devs does. [20:19] Installing devs through nfs mount should have placed the dev files on that drive. [20:19] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Saindo [20:19] oh, seriously? cool (i didn't notice a huge string of errors...) [20:20] i just assumed that mknod and the like wouldn't play nice with NFS [20:20] Installpkg is working in a chrooted environment (the root of that drive). [20:21] oh, yes :) ROOT=${NFS_MOUNTPOINT} [20:21] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.253.139.243) left irc: Client Quit [20:21] oh, i see -- it does the chroot :P [20:22] i was half tempted to do all that myself [20:22] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.253.139.243) joined ##slackware. [20:22] trhodes:my idea and create a script to do a count on the hd and is based on partitioning it is possible? [20:22] Yep, via the ROOT environmental variable specified by the nfs mount that you applied. [20:23] grazymax (~grazymax@host11-152-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:23] haha, neat -- I didn't think about greppin' `which installpkg` for chroot [20:24] lauNd: I don't understand "count on the hd" -- could you elaborate ? (do you mean hd usage?) [20:24] ...and sure enough, /dev/ is populated [20:25] Nick change: NaCl -> SodiumChloride [20:26] hmpf... the opera site is #!*!!*$ ...without a js-capable browser you cannot download the opera browser... and if you cross the site with windows it hides the linux downloads [20:27] has anyone a link to the current opera browser slackware file? opera.com [20:27] There's always ftp. [20:27] latest ist 9.5 [20:27] at ftp [20:28] The latest I see is 10.1 on ftp. [20:28] ok nothing said [20:28] |Slacker| (~Cris@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Saindo [20:28] just enter /clear [20:28] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [20:28] 10.5 beta was there but had been pulled shortly thereafter. [20:29] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) joined ##slackware. [20:29] trhodes:looks so, I have two servers, one with 160 gb sata disk and one with a 500GB SATA disk, the script would do something like this would create automatic partitioning using the disks without especidficar the script for example that all paticoes may require prior 100mb boot , 15GB / e and so on [20:29] trhodes:sorry, i dont speak english very well.... [20:33] lauNd: portuguese ? (just curious :) ) [20:33] *portuguese [20:34] grazymax (~grazymax@host11-152-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:34] yes .. i from Brazil .... [20:34] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.253.139.243) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:35] trhodes: do you speak portuguese? [20:35] no, but there are people here who do [20:35] i'm trying to find some redhat lvm2 documentation that might be of help [20:35] (it might have been device-mapper_ [20:35] alguém mãe peidado. a cheiros como peixe e bundão [20:36] trhodes: tanks ! [20:36] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:37] esta me ou fazer eu hei pequena penis [20:37] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] sou eu. [20:37] Action: Cann0n facepalms [20:37] haha, short peen? what ? [20:38] lauNd: here's the documentation I had in mind: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/csgfs/browse/4.5/SAC_Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/index.html [20:38] it's true. women flee [20:38] it's old and in english [20:39] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:39] trhodes: tanks... I take a look... [20:40] lauNd: sorry if this irrelevant or obvious, but lvm starts at /etc/rc.d/rc.S in boot [20:40] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) joined ##slackware. [20:41] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] trhodes:ok ... [20:42] i didn't understand what you meant about the two servers above [20:43] lauNd: niels_horn and PiterPunk (probably might) speak portuguese [20:45] Yes, I might ;) [20:45] trhodes: they are in this list? [20:45] :) [20:46] niels_horn: opa você entende português? [20:46] fraktil (fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:47] lauNd: PM if you prefer... So that people won't be afraid of all these strange words we'll exchange :) [20:47] trhodes: tanks for help ! [20:47] you're welcome. [20:48] niels_horn: ok ... é uma dúvida simples ... [20:49] msocorcim (~dennis@adsl-074-169-084-211.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:50] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:50] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:51] grazymax (~grazymax@host127-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:52] zmisc (zmisc@pdpc/supporter/student/zmisc) joined ##slackware. [20:53] hello fellow slackers :D [20:53] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:54] gm152: have you done an installation the way I did? [20:54] i found a nice script that makes the slackware64-current DVD ISO for me! [20:54] escaflown (~elom@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] i'm wondering what little odds and ends are missing from my NFS installpkg (/etc/{hostname,fstab,...}) [20:55] look at the contents of the offical package [20:56] |Slacker| (~Cris@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:56] i will be needing to copy files from my old computer to my new computer, is NFS that best way to copy files between an old slackware box and a new one? [20:56] foobarz: it's what I do (i'm on a safe LAN however) [20:56] why not move the hd into the new chassis [20:56] Skywise: you were tellin' me to look at the official package ? (confused) [20:57] my old HD is PATA, new computer has no PATA inside [20:57] well you could also use rsync or ftp [20:57] it seems a learn something new every day that I use slackware [20:57] trhodes, the txt file lists all the files in the package [20:57] or even tar | nc or sz [20:58] that too [20:58] SIGBUS_ (~gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:58] i used to use samba to copy files, never tried NFS... maybe i will just use samba again... been a long time but i can figure it out i guess [20:58] NFS is easier to set up (IMO) than samba/cifs [20:58] it's just got crappy error messages and the documentation is weird (IMO) [20:59] and it's not firewall friendly [nfs3], etc, etc [20:59] lftp has a mirror command that works nice [20:59] rsync is fast and economical [20:59] i guess it depends on if this is a one-time transfer or not [21:01] Skywise: i installpkg'd onto an NFS mount point -- there are some things like /etc/fstab and hostname (and I'm wondering how to find out what else) that are "dynamically" assigned [21:02] trhodes, they're not, theres usually a .new version and a separate script to populate it [21:02] grazymax (~grazymax@host127-0-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:02] oh cool, i'll look at it, thanks ;) [21:02] you should only include the .new so upgrades or reinstalls don't clobber the existing config [21:02] it's a new install on a separate drive [21:03] i'm actually tiptoeing around windows 2000 on an old thinkpad 600EX [21:03] How exactly do I get an xterm to respond to ctrl+arrow keys? [21:03] I remember this auto-working at some point, I just don't know how to set it manually [21:04] it won't always be a new install if you're going thru the trouble of packaging it [21:04] Actually, this is konsole, but xterm does the same thing. :/ [21:04] SodiumChloride: what're control+arrow keys s'posed to do ? [21:04] go forward/backward a word [21:04] trhodes: An NFS installation? Yes, years ago. [21:06] ahh ok :) i think Skywise has got me going in the right direction with respect to configuration [21:06] i've done NFS installation via setup, but not by hand [21:07] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:07] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) joined ##slackware. [21:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] lee555J5 (lee555J5@68.113.105.67) left ##slackware. [21:09] I do NFS mounting from two computers to my main one where the mirror tree is to update packages. [21:10] But surely, that is a different scope than what you're referring to. [21:10] lee555J5 (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) joined ##slackware. [21:10] yes [21:12] Nick change: ron1n -> Reached [21:12] Nick change: Reached -> Chico [21:12] Nick change: SodiumChloride -> NaCl [21:13] Nick change: Chico -> Chicomiah [21:13] Sorry about the nick flood guys, [21:13] I'm done now. [21:14] Chicomiah (~chico@24.115.210.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:15] lol [21:16] grazymax (~grazymax@host86-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Nick change: johndee -> john_dee [21:28] grazymax (~grazymax@host86-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:28] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] hmm, this configuration stuff is complicated. the slack install initrd's /usr/lib/setup/setup does generate fstab if it doesn't exist [21:32] oh, for the record, the whole reason i didn't do a regular install is 'cause the CD drive on that thinkpad is borked [21:32] nor is there PXE support [21:33] and the only working "OS" is win2k :( [21:33] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:34] though usb cd drives are like $4.99 at walmart [21:35] krazy_48446 (~noone@71-13-51-237.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:35] cool (though the nearest wal-mart is 25 miles away!) [21:35] times like these warrant hardware like that [21:36] running slackware 13.0 x64 and kde is reconizing my cds and interfering with virtual box. any suggestions? [21:36] http://www.amazon.com/External-Slim-CD-ROM-Drive-Black/dp/B000YQSKPM [21:36] 4.99 was an exaggermacation [21:37] not much however ;) [21:38] krazy_48446: hal is to blame for that (methinks) [21:39] johndee (~id@95-29-185-148.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [21:40] krazy_48446: man hal-disable-polling [21:40] trhodes, ty will look at that. [21:40] john_dee (~id@95-29-185-148.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:43] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@201008136213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:43] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep [21:44] lauNd (~thiago@189-47-213-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [21:46] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:49] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [21:51] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [21:52] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-122-218.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] john_dee (~id@95-29-185-148.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [21:53] heya,slackers [21:53] heya MLanden, how are you doing? [21:53] heya,fire|bird....relaxin' is all...:P...you? [21:54] doing very well, thank you. [21:54] johndee (~id@95-29-185-148.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [21:54] fire|bird, awesome [21:56] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:57] MLanden: Mess with anything exciting lately? [21:57] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.46.206) joined ##slackware. [21:58] fire|bird, nothing new....was messin' with keepnote earlier as an alternative to notebook pro [21:59] fire|bird, you? [22:00] MLanden: not really, no, going to try and get Raindrop up and going (mozillalabs.com/raindrop) [22:01] fire|bird, lookin' it up...any good? [22:02] MLanden: I have tried it a bit in the past, seemed really interesting, a lot has changed with it since then, so figured I'd give it a spin once more. [22:02] MLanden: fixed it [22:02] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:02] A couple of the deps it needs are on SBo already, others it needs aren't. [22:03] it was actually as easy and adding group dialout to everything and u+s pppd [22:03] fire|bird, fork from their other project...sunbird? [22:04] MLanden: no, a new project they've started to combine e-mail and various social networking aspects all in one place, may even become an app that runs in the cloud on the web. [22:04] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Cann0n, cool...been a while since I messed with a usb modem..got one integrated on my lappy..but use it just for CallerID [22:05] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.46.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:06] yeah, you got lucky yours worked. actually, this laptop only has 2 usb drives [22:06] fire|bird, ok...just seemed some features might of been ported over...looks promising [22:06] my other laptop has everything, even a parport [22:06] Cann0n, how's the gpu on the 2 usb one? [22:07] MLanden: yeah, maybe they have taken some inspirations from Sunbird, Thunderbird, etc. but is mostly a new project being designed from scratch, and it does look very promising. [22:08] MLanden: 1.6GHz ondemand, 2GB mem [22:08] it's the cheap model of the acer. [22:08] not cheap as in poor qaulity. it runs fantastically [22:10] Cann0n, does that USB modem you've been messin' with have CallerID capability integrated in it? [22:10] psypete (~realname@2002:616b:8409::1) joined ##slackware. [22:11] Q: does -current support ipv6 out of the box? if not, are there any plans to support it, or could i contribute it, etc? [22:11] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:12] MLanden: i dont have a clue. i use a cellphone for 100% of my calls [22:12] unless i'm dating, in which i'll use the land line during the day to save money [22:13] but no one has that number [22:13] Cann0n, pulled the specs up...seems it does [22:14] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:14] psypete: rc.modules has no mention of ipv6 [22:14] krazy_48446 (~noone@71-13-51-237.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:14] psypete: http://www.slackbasics.org/html/netconfig.html#id3768629 [22:15] yeah im sure it has a few features [22:16] (i know, that's for 12.0, but the rc.modules I looked at was -current from before today's update) [22:17] Cann0n, how's the buffer with weak signals? [22:20] MLanden: never had a single issue. i've stayed online for 18 hours straight [22:20] haven't tried longer [22:20] fraktil (fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:20] Cann0n, sweet [22:20] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:20] i remember in the late 90's it was like every 2 hours i was dropped [22:23] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:24] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [22:25] lee555J5_ (~lee555J5@68.113.105.67) joined ##slackware. [22:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [22:29] fire|bird, Have you found a replacement for your mp3 player yet? [22:30] MLanden: No, but haven't really been looking either, the Sansa Clip I have now has rockbox support. :) [22:30] ooh, i didn't think of this 'til now... I wonder if i could just run the slack installer's setup script from the initrd (i'd be booting via legacy grub to get at the initrd I want) and have setup tie up the "odds and ends" of the installation for me [22:30] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:30] fire|bird, cool [22:31] although i'm beginning to wonder if that's more effort that just making my own fstab, setting hostname and setting the keymap myself :/ [22:32] ( i've been looking at the setup script to see what it does, and that's all I see so far) [22:33] MLanden: rockbox works really good on it too, the screen is small, but it works, so I'm happy with it. [22:34] fire|bird, which version? See they upgraded to 3.5.1 recently [22:34] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:34] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [22:36] TClayton (~tony@nc-76-3-97-23.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:37] MLanden: the player reports r24803-100221, 3.5.1 has been released since I put it on and the firmware for the clips are still considered unstable, so it's a pre-3.5.1 version. [22:37] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] fire|bird, ok [22:38] MLanden: and with that said, I probably better check, mine probably has an update for it. Thanks for mentioning 3.5.1 :) [22:38] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Client Quit [22:38] TClayton (~tony@nc-76-3-97-23.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [22:38] fire|bird, np...thank freshmeat for reminin' me...:P [22:40] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.54.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:45] fire|bird, see that for the Sansa Clip that it's still unstable...hopefully,it can take to the upgrade [22:49] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.115.233) joined ##slackware. [22:53] guys, my port 443 is not open at localhost, 443/tcp closed https [22:53] rc.modules was not what i was thinking of in relation to ipv6 [22:54] how can i open it ... it need it for https ^^ [22:54] init[1] (~init1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [22:54] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:54] i loaded the ssl module for httpd , i restarted apache, but i still don't get port 443 opened [22:55] i have not error in /var/log/httpd/error.log [22:56] paissad__: you need to read apache documentation on setting up an ssl http server. there is much more to it than loading the module [22:57] ls [22:58] psypete (realname@2002:616b:8409::1) left ##slackware. [23:02] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:02] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: emerge -quDN world [23:04] blatun (~4fe8a359@gateway/web/freenode/x-xbgjwceuelmplcrp) left irc: Quit: Page closed [23:06] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:11] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.147.26) joined ##slackware. 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[23:39] nfoxTc (~nfoxTc@68-244-198-181.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.210.32) joined ##slackware. [23:40] rfc please: http://slackwiki.org/Kernel-packaging [23:41] nice [23:41] good job [23:41] anything that isn't clear or could be better, let me know please [23:42] I have one question about that page [23:42] neat [23:42] guys, I've been reading about slackware and I keep hearing about the level of control it gives you...can someone explain this a little more? [23:42] what's a kernel? [23:42] [23:42] lol [23:42] haha ;) [23:44] http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5205/screenke.jpg [23:44] http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7659/screen1uv.jpg [23:44] pillows [23:44] best [23:45] anyone? [23:46] nfoxTc: slack tends to abhor things like http://en.opensuse.org/YaST [23:46] well i'll say this [23:46] you can edit all config files witha text editor infact thats the only way to edit the config files [23:46] nfoxTc, well yes it is true. Mainly because it has no idiot package manager running the show. [23:47] abhor? [23:47] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [23:47] To shrink back with horror, disgust, or dislike [23:47] nfoxTc: if you run debian, IT tells you where things are, how they're configured, etc... and if you try to change things based on personal taste... well, good luck [23:47] ditto most distros [23:47] I c [23:47] like ubuntu... [23:48] but slackware is notable for making the fewest changes to the vanilla packages as possible [23:48] so if I wanted a distro that would be best for dev would slackware be a good choice? [23:49] I just do a little c programming [23:49] slack is also to a great degree intended for old farts who've been around for decades and know what they're doing, and don't need hand-holding [23:49] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:49] nfoxTc, it's great for dev, but also great as a general use desktop. [23:50] well, Linus develops on a redhat box... I think you can choose any sane distro and be happy [23:50] read the slackbook to get started (/topic) [23:50] slack's great to learn on, and once you learn it, you may not want to use another distro :) [23:50] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [23:51] hmm I c, I'll have to dual boot for a little until I get confertable [23:51] I used to think that, until i found red star linux [23:51] Gr1nch_ (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [23:51] fedora's philosophy regarding upstream is more tolerable than debian's "our own OS" attitude [23:51] mancha: I did use the word "sane" [23:51] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:51] mancha,:) [23:51] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:51] red star, or red flag? [23:52] http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-01/north-korea-cyber-weapon.html [23:52] red star yeast [23:52] red bull [23:52] stuart__ (~stuart@115.135.90.151) joined ##slackware. [23:52] thanks for the tips nn all [23:52] red bull shy** :) [23:52] nfoxTc (nfoxTc@68-244-198-181.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware. [23:52] he's going to dual-boot between oobuntoo and slackware? [23:53] sounds like it [23:53] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:55] stuart_ (~stuart@115.135.88.200) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:55] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-22.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-58-88.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] ircnerd (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-tfuuqbchapzxvusa) joined ##slackware. [23:58] mancha, wonder if that comes with a sim of Kijong-Dong complete with a massive flagtower? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kijong-dong [23:59] maybe that's a screensaver [23:59] Atrophy (~wIRCer@c-98-207-76-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:00] --- Thu Mar 11 2010