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[00:09] <eviljames> chopp: agreed.
[00:09] <eviljames> I wish I could register cthulu.com then I'd make it CANADA only.  those bastards wouldn't know what hit em
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[00:10] <chopp> indeed
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[00:11] <agentc0re> antiwire: damn dude, that's crazy.
[00:16] <kingbeowulf> This has been riving me crazy:  /dev/raw1394 is root:root and rw only for root.  So when Kino runs as user it can't open the dv camera.  easy enough to fix manually but where do fix?  is it in libraw1394?
[00:16] <kingbeowulf> it didn't do this until 12.2 and newer libraw
[00:18] <antiwire> And now your moment of zen; Hardcore yoyos http://www.yo-yo.com/products_sub.asp?cat=yo-yos&sub=5
[00:18] <packeteer> lolz, mate of mine sent this to me: http://www.kanyethis.com/?s=http://www.slackware.com&t=Arch%20Linux
[00:19] <bleeding|edge> haha, flying Panda
[00:19] <bleeding|edge> only $19.99
[00:20] <bleeding|edge> antiwire: going to become a yo-yo master?
[00:21] Action: deco wants to be a pokemon master
[00:21] <antiwire> I actually have one of these http://www.yoyoplay.com/dunbumbee.html
[00:21] <antiwire> I just found it in an old box which made me decide to google yoyos
[00:22] <bleeding|edge> that'd be an interesting profession. "What do you do?" "I'm a professional yo-yo'er"
[00:22] <antiwire> lol
[00:22] <rworkman> kingbeowulf: is /dev/raw1394 a symlink?
[00:23] <kingbeowulf> no
[00:23] <kingbeowulf> it shows up as /dev/-raw1394 (note the dash)
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[00:24] <Mefached> Just installed Slack 13.0. I'm quite surprised that KDE 4.2 could run this smoothly on this machine.
[00:24] <rworkman> ick, something is going wrong somewhere.  What kernel?
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[00:25] <bleeding|edge> antiwire: One of the ones I have is the Yomega Fireball: http://www.yomega.com/store/transaxle.htm
[00:25] <kingbeowulf> rworkman: stock Slack64 13  2.6.29.6
[00:26] <rworkman> kingbeowulf: paste "udevadm info -a -n /dev/-raw1394" in a pastebin
[00:27] <antiwire> I found another piece of a glass I broke
[00:27] <antiwire> ...embedded in my foot.
[00:27] <Mefached> I can't seem to find it searching through all the .txts in slackware-current, so I assume I'm in the wrong place; how do I use slackware-current?
[00:27] <kingbeowulf> rworkman: device node not found
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[00:30] <rworkman> Try without the dash
[00:31] <kingbeowulf> rworkman: http://pastebin.com/m68f5e390 for 'udevadm info -a -n /dev/raw1394'
[00:33] <kingbeowulf> rworkman: I am trying to remember what I upgraded in Slamd64 12.2 (stock kernel) that caused this to happen as well.  dammit I never write anything down...
[00:35] <rworkman> kingbeowulf: http://pastebin.com/m2e747ea9
[00:36] <rworkman> Put that in /etc/udev/rules.d/99-raw1394.rules
[00:36] <rworkman> Edit the "somegroup" as desired.
[00:36] <rworkman> Are you *sure* that "-" is present in the name?
[00:38] <kingbeowulf> dud, I am stupi.  I was looked at it in mc.  a ls -l looks normal
[00:38] <rworkman> :)
[00:39] <rworkman> Remove that NAME="%k" setting then.
[00:39] <kingbeowulf> rworkman: just checked on something.  on SLAMD64 this happened when i upgraded to udev 1.41 (pathces)
[00:40] <rworkman> hrm
[00:41] <rworkman> Possibly the older udev package shipped some default rules that set raw1394 permissions.  Current udev does not.
[00:42] <rworkman> The 13.0 rules do not appear to do so either.
[00:42] <rworkman> Honestly, I think that's correct.  Since it's a raw device, the *defaults* *should* be root:root and mode=0644.
[00:43] Action: rworkman is building glibc, fwiw. :)
[00:43] <kingbeowulf> mmm. wacky.  'cause then then you have to be root to access your IEEE1394 device?
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[00:44] <kingbeowulf> Would make more sense for the default to be root:video
[00:44] <rworkman> To access the *raw* device, yes.  Raw devices mean below the filesystem level.  I'm not familiar with ieee1394 stuff really, so I don't konw if that's really necessary, but such as it is...
[00:46] <kingbeowulf> Well, since firewire is dying out anyway for consumer electonics...watch out soon we'll see this with ISB3
[00:46] <rworkman> Well, this is what udev-149 ships.  Like I said, I'm not really sure how those devices (are supposed to) work:
[00:46] <rworkman> 50-udev-default.rules:# FireWire (deprecated dv1394 and video1394 drivers)
[00:46] <rworkman> 50-udev-default.rules:KERNEL=="dv1394-[0-9]*",	NAME="dv1394/%n", GROUP="video"
[00:46] <kingbeowulf> *USB3
[00:46] <rworkman> 50-udev-default.rules:KERNEL=="video1394-[0-9]*",	NAME="video1394/%n", GROUP="video"
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[00:46] <rworkman> It *appears* that you would not use them by accessing the raw device node
[00:46] <kingbeowulf> mmm
[00:47] <kingbeowulf> "deprecated" which is why kino doesn't use them I suppose
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[00:48] <rworkman> Possibly.
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[00:51] <kingbeowulf> most of the firewire / IEEE1394 software accesses hardware through libraw1394, although there is libdc1394 but that i think is fore higher end hardware
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[00:52] <iceD[R]> Anyone have a link, for uninstall apache on Slackware 13 and install a new version?
[00:52] <rworkman> Well, I need to talk with PiterPUNK about this and see if perhaps we should ship something (or at least mention in docs) for raw1394.
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[00:53] <rworkman> kingbeowulf: can you mail me (rworkman@) and him (piterpunk@)  (both @slackware.com) about this?
[00:53] <rworkman> iceD[R]: removepkg(8)
[00:53] <kingbeowulf> rworkman:  sure ... lessee...which of a1/2 dozen or so accts to use...
[00:54] <iceD[R]> rworkman, removepkg apache?
[00:54] <kingbeowulf> "removepkg" or "upgradepkg"
[00:54] <rworkman> iceD[R]: the rest is left as an exercise to the reader.  If you can't figure out that part, then you don't need to do this.
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[01:24] <Reticenti> is there a /proc file that tells me what mobo i have?
[01:25] <antiwire> try dmidecode or reading the printed model # off the motherboard
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[01:26] <Reticenti> thank
[01:26] <Reticenti> s
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[01:35] <tripFantastic> does swapfs on a part support LABEL=?
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[01:38] <antiwire> have you looked at man mkswap ?
[01:43] <tripFantastic> yes but i'm having difficulty integrating the information internally. :(
[01:43] <tripFantastic> maybe i shouldnt be doing fs stuff atm
[01:44] <deco> o_O
[01:47] <tripFantastic> radio: turning .jpnese
[01:47] <kingbeowulf> damn...I just took the nerd quiz and I am as nerdy as rworkman
[01:47] <tripFantastic> heh
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[02:23] <_19_> I've i486 compiled packages to my distribution. I'll get any problem if I compile the kernel selection P4 architecture?
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[02:34] <Reticenti> what's better to sue for speed? grep or awk?
[02:34] <Reticenti> use*
[02:34] <Reticenti> ie, which one is less expensive
[02:35] <deco> they are both free!
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[02:35] <Reticenti> hooray!
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[02:36] <Reticenti> but how can it be free?
[02:36] <Reticenti> ohwait
[02:36] <Reticenti> i'm not talking about gnu or beer
[02:36] <Reticenti> i'm talking about the currency of the cpu
[02:36] <Reticenti> flops iirc
[02:37] <antiwire> _19_: no problem.
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[02:45] <pprkut> Reticenti: grep is slow in unicode environments
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[02:52] <Reticenti> what about for stdout ascii?
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[02:55] <pprkut> Reticenti: if your environment setup is for unicode, it doesn't matter if you are only outputting ascii or not
[02:55] <Reticenti> i see
[02:56] <Reticenti> thanks
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[03:04] <crashdata> anyone here upgraded to kde 4.3.3 ??
[03:05] <crashdata> i just upgraded my system to linux current that came with kde 4.3.3 now i'm missing some icons
[03:05] <crashdata> such as the trash can....and the k start up menu
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[03:07] <crashdata> someone?
[03:07] <deco> hmmmm
[03:07] <deco> did you install the oxygen icons ?
[03:07] <deco> slackpkg install-new
[03:08] <deco> run that
[03:08] <deco> crashdata:
[03:08] <crashdata> thanks
[03:08] <crashdata> i'll try that
[03:08] <deco> crashdata: you're welcome
[03:08] <deco> k
[03:09] <crashdata> oxygyn icon wasnt isntalled installing now..
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[03:09] <crashdata> hopefully this will work :)
[03:10] <deco> yeah that will fix it :)
[03:10] <deco> just restart kde after it's finished installing
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[03:18] <crashdata> deco thanks it worked :)
[03:19] <crashdata> 4.3.3 kde looks awesome :)
[03:19] <deco> crashdata: yay!  awesome :D
[03:19] <deco> yeah it does
[03:19] <fire|bird> crashdata: It IS awesome
[03:19] <crashdata> :P
[03:19] <deco> crashdata: just remember to always slackpkg install-new
[03:19] <fire|bird> slackpkg --install-new
[03:19] <fire|bird> ;)
[03:20] <deco> fire|bird: same thing , it works :P
[03:20] <deco> works both ways
[03:20] <crashdata> i actually used gslapt to do my upgrade ..... shhhh*
[03:20] <crashdata> :)
[03:20] <deco> o_O
[03:20] <fire|bird> :o
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[03:20] <crashdata> i just forgot to install the oxygen icon
[03:20] <deco> slackpkg update slackpkg install-new slackping upgrade-all
[03:20] <deco> that's it
[03:21] <deco> well first select the current mirror
[03:21] <fire|bird> then slackpkg update
[03:21] <crashdata> i was having hard time adding add slack current on /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
[03:21] <gerrh> slackping?
[03:21] <deco> o_O
[03:21] <deco> crashdata: just ucommnet a current mirror
[03:21] <gerrh> ^^_b
[03:21] <deco> uncomment*
[03:21] <crashdata> i did
[03:22] <crashdata> but when i run slackpg it will only pick up 13.0
[03:22] <crashdata> not current
[03:22] <deco> crashdata: you did slackpkg update after ?
[03:22] <crashdata> i did
[03:22] <crashdata> maybe i did something wrong...
[03:22] <deco> most likely
[03:23] <deco> nothing tricky in uncommenting a current mirror
[03:23] <crashdata> i know..
[03:24] <crashdata> i even commented 13.0 again
[03:24] <fire|bird> crashdata: in the mirrors file, you scrolled down to current and chose one from that section? The whole file isn't just current mirrors.
[03:24] <crashdata> i did
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[03:25] <crashdata> this is how it looks
[03:25] <crashdata> # USA, 45Mbit
[03:25] <crashdata>  ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-current/
[03:25] <deco> crashdata: did you try the http site ?
[03:26] <crashdata> i'll try that rightnow
[03:26] <deco> k
[03:28] <crashdata> it worked...
[03:29] <crashdata> :) with http:\\
[03:29] <deco> woot cool
[03:29] <crashdata> and deco saves the day again :)
[03:29] <crashdata> sweet.
[03:29] <deco> \o/!!1
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[03:30] <crashdata> i wonder y ftp didnt work
[03:30] <deco> hmmm yeah weird
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[03:31] <crashdata> i like the new plasma desktop of kde
[03:31] <deco> it's nice
[03:32] <deco> 4.3.4 will be even better
[03:32] <crashdata> the next slack should have it :P
[03:32] <deco>  grrr wait 4.4 ?
[03:32] <crashdata> hahhaa
[03:32] <deco> i forgot lol
[03:32] <deco> i don't really use kde
[03:32] Action: init[1] wooot, its a bird.... ,no its an airplane.... no its deco ... :o
[03:33] <crashdata> me to, i'm a gnome kind of guy
[03:33] <deco> :o it's init[1] !!!
[03:33] <deco> oh
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[03:33] <deco> i use xfce and openbox
[03:33] <crashdata> ahh..this is the first time kde isnt soo bugy
[03:33] <deco> heh
[03:34] <Reticenti> how are ati drivers with linux?
[03:34] <crashdata> it is though....its good that its finally getting stable
[03:34] <crashdata> for me, it too them 11 year lolz
[03:35] <alisonken1noc> ati drivers are still ati drivers - but getting better now that they have some open source help
[03:36] <alisonken1noc> crashdata: I used to be a gnome kind of guy - switched to kde a couple of years ago because I wasn't too thrilled where they were heading
[03:36] <crashdata> maybe thats y microsoft also jump in to the opensource band wagon lol
[03:36] <crashdata> to get their system to be less buggy...
[03:36] <alisonken1noc> it's "Shared Source" rather than open source for MS
[03:37] <crashdata> diff like kde...
[03:37] <Reticenti> ah
[03:37] <crashdata> no complain this time :)
[03:37] <deco> good night
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[03:37] <crashdata> whats the diff share source and open source???
[03:37] <Reticenti> so, if I were to be in the market for a new gfx card, should i stick with nvidia?
[03:37] <crashdata> nite deco
[03:37] <crashdata> i always buy nvidia
[03:38] <alisonken1noc> I still like nvidia at this time
[03:38] <crashdata> nvidia dominates the gpu market
[03:38] <Reticenti> nvidia 4 lyfe?
[03:38] <crashdata> i never own an ati.
[03:38] <crashdata> i bought it once then the following day returned it :)
[03:38] <Reticenti> lol
[03:38] <crashdata> i'd stick with nvidia :)
[03:39] <CcSsNET> i hate to say it, ati owns.
[03:39] <crashdata> i like nvidia and intel lolz
[03:39] <CcSsNET> i used to have an 8500gt nvidia evga 1gb
[03:39] <CcSsNET> i destroyed the gpu
[03:39] <CcSsNET> 16 streams
[03:39] <crashdata> i'm running 7900 Gs ko
[03:39] <CcSsNET> cant handle game warmonger
[03:40] <CcSsNET> runs flawless on my 4670 1gb
[03:40] <crashdata> 8500 is lower than 7900 gs ko
[03:40] <crashdata> only diff is the directx 10 compatibility
[03:40] <CcSsNET> 4670 has 320 streams
[03:40] <CcSsNET> compared to that nvidia at 16 it was junk hehe
[03:41] <CcSsNET> either way its in trash
[03:41] <crashdata> it is a low end graphics card though
[03:41] <CcSsNET> all 8000 series have heat issues
[03:41] <crashdata> its the chipset..
[03:41] <crashdata> i forgot what its called..
[03:41] <CcSsNET> yea reason enough for me to like my ati
[03:41] <CcSsNET> :P
[03:42] <CcSsNET> runs 20C cooler all around then the 8500 did
[03:42] <crashdata> i have no issue with heat though
[03:42] <CcSsNET> meh
[03:42] <CcSsNET> lucky
[03:42] <crashdata> i'm using antec 900 casing
[03:42] <CcSsNET> 8500gt ran at 70C idle
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[03:42] <CcSsNET> 4670 runs 48C idle
[03:42] <crashdata> dang...
[03:43] <crashdata> thats just nuts
[03:43] <CcSsNET> lol
[03:43] <CcSsNET> ive got dual xeon, system gets warm
[03:43] <CcSsNET> ^.^
[03:43] <crashdata> no wonder lolz
[03:43] <crashdata> u on air?
[03:43] <CcSsNET> yup
[03:44] <crashdata> nice
[03:44] <CcSsNET> contains 5 fans
[03:44] <CcSsNET> system wide
[03:44] <CcSsNET> or 6
[03:44] Action: CcSsNET counts
[03:44] <CcSsNET> yea 6
[03:44] <CcSsNET> psu has 2
[03:44] <crashdata> crazy
[03:45] <crashdata> i have 6 fans to
[03:45] <CcSsNET> nice
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[03:45] <CcSsNET> 2 on psu, 1 per cpu, 1 gpu, 1 intake fan for raid 1 exhaust on top of case
[03:46] <crashdata> 2, 120mm in front, 1: 120 mm on the side, 1: 120 mm on the back, and 200mm fan on top
[03:46] <crashdata> and psu arctic 7
[03:46] <CcSsNET> nvidia was easier to get running on linux for a little while but neither matter anymore both work on linux fine
[03:47] <crashdata> not psu = i mean cpu fan arctic 7
[03:47] <CcSsNET> ahh
[03:47] <crashdata> my system is overclock
[03:47] <CcSsNET> i got stock pure copper sinks from the xeon
[03:47] <crashdata> from 1.8 to 3.6 :)
[03:47] <CcSsNET> nice
[03:47] <CcSsNET> whats psu temp?
[03:47] <crashdata> i have my fans on medium settings..to freaking loud
[03:48] <crashdata> idle at 46
[03:48] <CcSsNET> i judge my system by the temp of my psu
[03:48] <CcSsNET> :D
[03:48] <CcSsNET> mines 37C atm
[03:48] <crashdata> cool.
[03:48] <CcSsNET> only place i got a lcd monitor on hehe
[03:48] <CcSsNET> then again house is cold
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[03:48] <crashdata> :)
[03:48] <crashdata> what do u use ur system for?
[03:49] <crashdata> gaming?
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[03:49] <CcSsNET> eh development
[03:49] <CcSsNET> its compiling a linux atm
[03:49] <CcSsNET> but yea vid is for gaming
[03:49] <CcSsNET> and maybe some coding
[03:49] <crashdata> thats soo cool
[03:49] <CcSsNET> 320 streams sounds awfully fun to code
[03:49] <crashdata> lol
[03:50] <crashdata> my system was built for gaming before...
[03:50] <crashdata> so i have it configured as raid 0
[03:50] <CcSsNET> yea
[03:50] <CcSsNET> mine 2
[03:50] <crashdata> its overkill for slack
[03:50] <crashdata> nice
[03:50] <CcSsNET> nah raid 0 saves time
[03:51] <crashdata> soo true.
[03:51] <CcSsNET> as long as its hardware raid
[03:51] <CcSsNET> and not sata
[03:51] <CcSsNET> or linux software
[03:51] <crashdata> yah it is hardware...not that great though..its one of those thats built in to the motherboard
[03:51] <CcSsNET> sata raid's are usually slower then scsi
[03:51] <CcSsNET> ahh
[03:52] <CcSsNET> 4ms seek on my raid 0
[03:52] <CcSsNET> tested with sandra 2009
[03:52] <crashdata> nice...i cant remember what was my result
[03:52] <crashdata> its been a while my system is almost 2 years old
[03:52] <CcSsNET> i just did it last week i probably wouldnt remember
[03:52] <CcSsNET> my mobo is 2005
[03:53] <crashdata> nice...i have p5n-e sli
[03:53] <CcSsNET> woot
[03:53] <CcSsNET> sounds asus
[03:53] <crashdata> it is
[03:53] <CcSsNET> model number looks asus
[03:53] <CcSsNET> hehe
[03:53] <CcSsNET> they love using a p
[03:53] <crashdata> striker came out a month after lolz
[03:53] <CcSsNET> haha ^
[03:53] <CcSsNET> ouch
[03:54] <crashdata> i have G-skill 4GB memory running at 1066mhz :)
[03:54] <CcSsNET> im trying to get hands on very rare mobo
[03:54] <CcSsNET> its already 5 years old too
[03:54] <crashdata> which one?
[03:54] <CcSsNET> 1 sec
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[03:56] <CcSsNET> iwill dn800-sli
[03:56] <CcSsNET> i could merge my entire system over to it as is swaping only mobo
[03:57] <CcSsNET> alienware  also bought the patent and rebranded it for a area-51 build
[03:57] <crashdata> ncie..
[03:57] <CcSsNET> either board would do fine
[03:57] <CcSsNET> hehe
[03:57] <crashdata> alienware is owned by dell, right?
[03:57] <CcSsNET> lol since when?
[03:57] <crashdata> thats what i heard from my co-worker
[03:58] <crashdata> i didnt pay much attention to it lolz..
[03:58] <crashdata> i'll google it now lolz
[03:58] <wollw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienware
[03:58] <wollw> yeah
[03:58] <wollw> parent = dell
[03:58] <CcSsNET> wow
[03:58] <CcSsNET> i lost respect
[03:58] <CcSsNET> :P
[03:58] <crashdata>  hahaha
[03:59] <wollw> anyone have experience with systen76?
[03:59] <crashdata> i do like how dell handles the airflow on thier system though
[03:59] <crashdata> quite effecient
[04:00] <CcSsNET> yea there decent with air flow
[04:00] <CcSsNET> never liked there bios's
[04:00] <crashdata> me either.
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[04:02] <CcSsNET> or there propreitary layouts
[04:03] <crashdata> i never like name brand pc...
[04:03] <CcSsNET> me 2
[04:04] <crashdata> after my first compaq pc in 95
[04:04] <crashdata> i learned my lesson :)
[04:04] <CcSsNET> lol
[04:04] <CcSsNET> how about 1993 era packard bells
[04:04] <CcSsNET> hahahha
[04:05] <crashdata> it was a bitch upgrading the soundcard
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[04:05] <CcSsNET> i remember packardbell had there own modems even haha
[04:05] <crashdata> nice...
[04:05] <alisonken1noc> sound card wasn't the only thing that was fun on p.b.
[04:05] <crashdata> i remember my modem was 28800 i think
[04:06] <crashdata> 2800 or was it 2900 cant remember lolz...
[04:06] <CcSsNET> yea
[04:06] <alisonken1noc> 18.8
[04:06] <alisonken1noc> 28.8 rather
[04:06] <crashdata> i thought 56k would make my life easier lolz
[04:06] <CcSsNET> lol
[04:06] <CcSsNET> 3kb's
[04:06] <CcSsNET> :(
[04:06] <alisonken1noc> except fcc limited binary data transfer rate to 28.8
[04:06] <CcSsNET> and thats lucky speeds ^
[04:06] Action: wollw went from 14k to 56k
[04:06] <crashdata> yah 28.8...i remember playing with the jack to see if i can make it to be a bit faster
[04:06] <alisonken1noc> text was ok at 56k but data was limited
[04:07] <crashdata> we only had one line for some time to
[04:08] <crashdata> i hated it when someone wanted to use the phone
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[04:10] <crashdata> ohh and getting linux to run on a modem
[04:10] <crashdata> thats another story
[04:10] <crashdata> it was a catch 22
[04:10] <crashdata> u need some file online but u cant go online because u cant get ur ppp script to run properly
[04:10] <CcSsNET> heh
[04:11] <CcSsNET> i used dos back then
[04:11] <CcSsNET> hated the lacky batch scripting i was restricted to
[04:11] <CcSsNET> :P
[04:11] <crashdata> i started linux since redhat 5.2
[04:12] <alisonken1noc> os/2 warp4 did great for that
[04:12] <crashdata> but i switch back and forth
[04:13] <wollw> not sure when i started using linux... it was red hat too though, late 90s i think
[04:13] <crashdata> good ol redhat
[04:13] <alisonken1noc> 1993 sls linux downloading 12 floppies
[04:13] <wollw> tried a few others too after that... SuSE, Mandrake
[04:13] <crashdata> i switch to slack when after the first time i tried to recompile the kernel
[04:14] <crashdata> it turned out redhat uses their own modified kernel.
[04:14] <crashdata> i only tried 3 distro
[04:14] <crashdata> mandrake, slack and redhat
[04:14] <wollw> started using slackware when 8.0 came out i think
[04:14] <crashdata> mandrake was like the ubuntu back then
[04:15] <wollw> yeah, that's why i tried it
[04:15] <wollw> heh
[04:15] <crashdata> it was one of the easiest distro.
[04:15] <crashdata> it came pre loaded with kde lolz
[04:15] <wollw> my friends were not impressed with linux at all :(
[04:15] <mancha> yeah the customized kernel thing is frustrating
[04:16] <crashdata> i stop using linux 01, then came back again on 04, then now again :)
[04:16] <crashdata> hopefully this time for good lolz ...
[04:16] <wollw> i used osx for quite awhile
[04:16] <crashdata> never liked mac
[04:16] <wollw> then started using linux again a few years ago
[04:17] Action: wollw grew up on macs.
[04:17] <crashdata> we had mac in highschool for desktop publishing...that was the only time i got to play around iwth it
[04:17] <wollw> actually i'
[04:17] <wollw> i'm running slackware on a mbp right now, haven't booted into osx for more than a few minutes in awhile though
[04:17] <wollw> and i'll probably never buy one again
[04:17] <crashdata> linux now is soo easy to use
[04:17] <crashdata> lolz
[04:18] <wollw> main reason i've keep using macs is my family are in love with them
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[04:18] <crashdata> apple is to over price though..but it depends on what u use it for..
[04:18] <wollw> s/keep/kept/
[04:19] <crashdata> a friend of mine his an editor for their campus news paper...he moved to mac
[04:19] <crashdata> he said its much better for editing
[04:20] <ccfreak2k> http://coyotegulch.com/products/acovea/aco5p4gcc40.html
[04:20] <wollw> probably, i'm going to school for art actually but i use traditional media
[04:20] <ccfreak2k> The numbers are interesting, but this guy doesn't even break double digits with all those CFLAGS. Damning evidence for religious CFLAG users.
[04:22] <ccfreak2k> The stats for Opteron are more significant.
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[04:25] <notKlaatu> wollw: nice to meet another ex-mac user.  i grew up on macs too.
[04:25] <notKlaatu> wollw: just traded my last macbook for a lenovo. best trade i ever made.
[04:26] <wollw> my last powerbook is a headless fileserver running openbsd, i was using slackintosh on it
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[04:27] <wollw> err, actually, my father is using my old powerbook.. /his/ old powerbook is the server
[04:27] <notKlaatu> yeah i still have a powerbook. running fedora right now but it's had slackintosh on it and will probably have it on there again eventually.
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[04:27] <wollw> slackintosh i stuck at 12.1 atm i think :|
[04:28] <wollw> is
[04:28] <notKlaatu> yeah, that's kinda why I wandered away from it.
[04:28] <wollw> mine had an nvidia card too which kinda sucked
[04:28] <notKlaatu> what do you do on comptuers that you could switch from macOS without the usual "but i miss iMovie" complaints?
[04:29] <wollw> tinker
[04:29] <wollw> build small programs
[04:29] <notKlaatu> that's cool
[04:29] <wollw> get curious and want to look around a bit more than most people
[04:29] <notKlaatu> yeah, i know what you mean
[04:30] <notKlaatu> os x right before i switched fulltime to linux was so hacked it was barely recognizable as os x
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[04:30] <wollw> heh
[04:30] <notKlaatu> mostly it was jsut fink and macports running all the apps i know run on linux
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[04:31] <wollw> plus i just prefer the commandline now
[04:31] <wollw> more to the point than point and click
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[04:32] <wollw> for most things at least
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[04:32] <notKlaatu> yeah, well it almost invariably makes more sense in terms of understanding what is being done to a file.
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[04:33] <wollw> yeah
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[04:34] <notKlaatu> i teach a video editing class at a local film institute, and I showed my students how to edit with ffmpeg on the command line just to show them the concept of cutting in and out of larger video files.  because seeing final cut chop stuff up and having no other context is pretty much useless.
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[04:34] <wollw> cool
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[04:37] <wollw> where do you teach?
[04:37] <notKlaatu> pittsburgh filmmakers institute
[04:38] <notKlaatu> next week is last class, so i don't know if i'll teach again.  depends on if they hire me again.
[04:38] <wollw> enjoyable?
[04:38] <notKlaatu> yes, quite.
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[04:38] <wollw> good luck then
[04:39] Action: wollw would like to teach someday
[04:39] <notKlaatu> do you find you're good at teaching things?
[04:39] <wollw> hard to say
[04:39] <wollw> i'd like to think so :)
[04:40] <notKlaatu> yeah then you probably are
[04:40] <notKlaatu> i imagine you'd get the hint if people consistently stormed off angrily every time you tried to show them how to do something.
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[04:40] <wollw> my sister does, but no one else as far as i can tell
[04:41] <wollw> then again i often get compliments from her due to my explanations as well
[04:41] <wollw> heh
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[04:43] <wollw> i attended an intensive art program during high school that would be a dream to teach at someday
[04:44] <alreadygone> teach at?
[04:44] <wollw> yeah
[04:45] <ChickenLittle> dangit finding an open and usable newsgroup on free wifi in japan is not an easy task
[04:45] Action: ChickenLittle had to port scan 119 all machines within his class C
[04:47] <wollw> well that's certainly a way
[04:48] <ChickenLittle> only found one
[04:49] <ChickenLittle> also searched for .jp on usenet lists, so far one works
[04:49] <ChickenLittle> i'm trying to start a LUG here (on base preferably since I'm military and I don't speak Japanese fluently enough yet) but I may partner with a Japanese national if one is available and would like to
[04:50] <crashdata> ur base in where chickenlittle?
[04:51] <ChickenLittle> Misawa Air Base, Japan
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[04:52] <crashdata> ic is that in Okinawa?
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[04:53] <crashdata> i guess thats another city?
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[04:54] <ChickenLittle> no
[04:54] <ChickenLittle> Okinawa is another island entirely
[04:54] <ChickenLittle> we're in the north end of the main (largest) island
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[04:55] <wollw> http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=chrome&q=Misawa%20Air%20Base&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl it looks like
[04:55] <crashdata> ic...
[04:58] <alisonken1noc> okinawa is not japan
[04:58] <alisonken1noc> as ChickenLittle says
[04:58] <alisonken1noc> okinawa was a stepping stone in wwii on the way to japan
[05:00] <crashdata> isnt it part of japan now?
[05:00] <alisonken1noc> not that I'm aware of - but it's been a while since I checked
[05:00] <ChickenLittle> it is part of the country but not on the same island
[05:00] <crashdata> long time (during the samurai?) it wasnt part of japan
[05:00] <ChickenLittle> i never said it's not part of the country, just that it's on a different island
[05:01] <ChickenLittle> i think that is true but i am not sure
[05:01] <crashdata> okinawa is where karate was  invented due to the constant samurai attack
[05:01] <alisonken1noc> japan had annexed it during wwii - but the u.s. repatriated it
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[05:02] <crashdata> its part of Japan..but FYI, karate is not japanese :)
[05:02] <alisonken1noc> ok - jsut looked it up on wiki
[05:03] <alisonken1noc> Okinawa Prefecture consisting of mucho Ryukyu island chain
[05:04] <ChickenLittle> karate is japanese
[05:04] <ChickenLittle> also sumo
[05:04] <ChickenLittle> this is per talking to the Japanese ehre
[05:04] <ChickenLittle> s/ehre/here
[05:04] <crashdata> karate is not japanese
[05:04] <crashdata> it was invented by okinawan people
[05:04] <ChickenLittle> taekwondo is korean per an instructor at korea who is korean
[05:04] <crashdata> when okinawa was not part of Japan
[05:05] <ChickenLittle> well since okinawa is part of japan now, i guess they weren't lying to me
[05:05] <wollw> and apple pie isn't american
[05:05] <ChickenLittle> either way, i'm here IN japan talking TO japanese
[05:05] <ChickenLittle> i can only assume they're telling the truth
[05:05] <alisonken1noc> according to wiki - karate was developed in ryukyu kingdom prior to japanese annexation
[05:05] <crashdata> yup...yup
[05:06] <alisonken1noc> which is similar to kenpo
[05:06] <crashdata> it was a way for farmers to defend themselves
[05:06] <ChickenLittle> not everything in wiki is accurate
[05:06] <crashdata> from constant attack from samurai
[05:06] <ChickenLittle> but oh well i'll ask tomorrow
[05:06] <crashdata> chickent karate is originated from okinawa
[05:06] <ChickenLittle> maybe they only said "yes" because they didn't want to explain the entire story, i dunno
[05:06] Action: ChickenLittle shrugs
[05:07] <CcSsNET> "yes" is certainly shorter then a countries history
[05:07] Action: ChickenLittle puts on his evil grin
[05:07] <ChickenLittle> ok then, history questions time 8-)
[05:07] <ChickenLittle> i'll culture you all 8-)
[05:07] <ChickenLittle> 1) who invented ramen?
[05:07] <crashdata> hahaha
[05:08] <CcSsNET> witch in the woods
[05:08] <CcSsNET> hah!
[05:08] Action: ChickenLittle stabs CcSsNET 
[05:08] <crashdata> noodle was invented in china?
[05:08] <wollw> Maruchan, duh!
[05:08] <ChickenLittle> per a korean i talked to, korea
[05:08] <crashdata> korea eat ramyun (dont know the spelling)
[05:08] <ChickenLittle> 2) who invented kimchi?
[05:08] <crashdata> korean
[05:08] <ChickenLittle> (but fwiw japanese have their own spin on ramen too)
[05:08] <ChickenLittle> dingding! 8-)
[05:08] <Zordrak> Morn
[05:08] <ChickenLittle> 3) who invented sushi?
[05:08] <crashdata> japanese?
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[05:08] <CcSsNET> who eats it?
[05:08] <ChickenLittle> dingding!
[05:08] <CcSsNET> lols
[05:09] Action: ChickenLittle raises his hand
[05:09] <alisonken1noc> an army buddy of mine likes it
[05:09] <crashdata> here in canada korean and chinese makes sushi lolz
[05:09] <ChickenLittle> 3) how do you tell the difference between korean and japanese chopsticks (assuming both are wooden)
[05:09] <crashdata> majority
[05:09] <crashdata> korean is skinny
[05:09] <alisonken1noc> japanese are laquered?
[05:09] <crashdata> skinny chopstick = korean
[05:10] <crashdata> ???
[05:10] <ChickenLittle> per a japanese person i was eating with today at their mall, no, japanese are the ones like ice picks, korean are the wider ones
[05:10] Action: CcSsNET compiles ruby
[05:10] <crashdata> but korean preferred stainless?
[05:10] <ChickenLittle> (granted they know wider ones are easier on americans so...)
[05:10] <ChickenLittle> the stainless is recent when they realized that you can sanitize the metal ones
[05:10] <crashdata> apparently the stainless can pick up more food
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[05:11] <crashdata> compare to other chopstick
[05:11] <ChickenLittle> 4) do you find eyeballs in sushi?
[05:11] <crashdata> no
[05:11] <ChickenLittle> well when i tried wooden versus stainless the stainless was more difficult
[05:11] <ChickenLittle> wrong, you do 8-)
[05:11] <CcSsNET> heh
[05:11] <ChickenLittle> but sushi is a very broad category of foods
[05:11] <CcSsNET> more reason u wont find me eating it ^
[05:11] <crashdata> there was a study on it though
[05:11] <ChickenLittle> (i didn't know that before; i thought sushi was the rolled ride type or a sliver of meat on top of a rice bed type)
[05:11] <crashdata> i know what u mean it was abitch to pick up food on stainless
[05:12] <ChickenLittle> i was eating my first sushi and was trying something i didn't know what it was
[05:12] <ChickenLittle> until an eyeball popped in my mouth when i bit down
[05:12] <ChickenLittle> 8-S
[05:12] <crashdata> yum
[05:12] <CcSsNET> sounds horrible
[05:13] <ChickenLittle> you should visit one of their seafood markets, it's crazy.  they prefer it so fresh that i have videos from today of crabs moving, octopus trying to crawl away etc
[05:13] <crashdata> when i went to china i got to eat silk work and other bugs
[05:13] <ChickenLittle> man i don't think i could do that
[05:13] <crashdata> went there for a business trip
[05:13] <crashdata> i couldnt say no....
[05:13] <ChickenLittle> i had a hard enough time not starting to gag when i figured out what i had bit down on
[05:14] <crashdata> lolz
[05:14] <crashdata> are u in the air force?
[05:14] <crashdata> i wanna go to japan someday :)
[05:14] <ChickenLittle> yep 8-)
[05:14] <ChickenLittle> i can sponsor people on base
[05:14] <crashdata> nice..i wanna join canadian airforce lolz
[05:15] <crashdata> nice....i'm actually on the process of signing the documentations...
[05:15] <crashdata> hopefully i can get in...i applied for aerospace telecommunication and information system technician
[05:15] <crashdata> whats ur job or rank in the air force, assuming ur US?
[05:16] <CcSsNET> define sponsor ^
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[05:18] <Zordrak> woo.. DRBD for 2.6.33
[05:20] <ChickenLittle> crashdata, 2A3X2
[05:20] <ChickenLittle> integrated avionics (fighters)
[05:20] <ChickenLittle> CcSsNET, sign them on, let them stay at our house on base, show around
[05:20] <ChickenLittle> but only people i really really know
[05:20] <ChickenLittle> like some of the "old school" regulars i've known for some time
[05:21] <crashdata> thats soo cool
[05:21] <CcSsNET> cool
[05:22] <CcSsNET> 2.6.33 already?
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[05:22] <crashdata> nwayz i'm going to bed.... nite guys/good morning
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[05:22] <wollw> night
[05:23] <snL20> Then grab onto it, it's just for you. Give a little squeeze and say: "How do you do?"
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[05:23] <Zordrak> snL20: yeah.. 'nuff now
[05:24] <snL20> Zordrak: sorry misspaste
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[06:03] <mrpwnage> great news.  i woke up this morning to my master hard drive giving out on me.
[06:03] <xomz> How old?
[06:03] <mrpwnage> 07
[06:04] <xomz> :\
[06:04] <xomz> I still have a 800MB IBM running from 1992
[06:05] <mrpwnage> this is a 10k rpm raptor
[06:05] <xomz> You had many HDD failures?
[06:05] <mrpwnage> i got it to mount though the read times suck and i can hear it trying to read with the click click.  the kind you never want to hear
[06:06] <Zordrak> mrpwnage: usual for me..
[06:06] <mrpwnage> no.  i ran the in depth smart scan not to long ago as well.
[06:06] <xomz> That's sucks :/
[06:06] <mrpwnage> lilo gives 1x01 error or something
[06:06] <Zordrak> had many WD hdds.. all my home disks are WD.. ive RMAd 10 in the last 4 years and two of them were raptors
[06:07] <Zordrak> seems some of them are extremely sensitive to high temperature running
[06:07] <Zordrak> get fourself an advance rma
[06:07] <Zordrak> *yourself
[06:07] <xomz> That's really bad
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[06:07] <mrpwnage> well I don't over clock though my gpu is notorious for heat
[06:07] <xomz> I'm still using old IDE's. Not up to date with the new drives
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[06:07] <xomz> Only got my first SATA the other day
[06:08] <xomz> Not confident after hearing this ;)
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[06:08] <mrpwnage> luckily i had my /home on a seperate drive.  just slackware and all my /usr is at risk
[06:08] <Zordrak> mrpwnage: i use hddtemp and nagios to monitor temperatures.. since ive made sure not one of them is subjected to more than 45C, i havent had a failure
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[06:09] <mrpwnage> well, i have a bay slot temp checker i have hooked up with a card reader on it as well
[06:10] <mrpwnage> from googling it looks like others who had similar trouble say it's only some bad sectors somewhere and they were able to shrink the hdd to avoid them
[06:10] <xomz> Design flaw?
[06:11] <mrpwnage> well, I didn't search for that specific model.  just the error
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[06:12] <mrpwnage> i wonder if i'm still under warrenty
[06:13] <mrpwnage> /dev/sda6 attempting to mount I get input/ouput error
[06:14] <mrpwnage> though /dev/sda7 mounts after some time which was my /var
[06:14] <xomz> Looks like htey got a 3-5yr warranty on their site
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[06:16] <mrpwnage> well, the thing is, and I know it didn't cause this, when I first got the drive the little plastic piece in the connector broke.  So if you pull out the sata cable the little plastic spacer comes out as well.  I don't know if I should tell them about that or not when I call them.
[06:16] <xomz> I wouldn't :D
[06:16] <xomz> & if htey query you, say they broke it
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[06:16] <mrpwnage> yeah, i'll just let the teck think he broke it
[06:16] <xomz> Wasn't like that when you sent it
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[06:17] <mrpwnage> yes. still pisses me off because this is a more expensive drive.  i wonder if it was the heat.
[06:18] <xomz> What was the capacity?
[06:19] <mrpwnage> 150g
[06:21] <xomz> Are Seagate any good still?
[06:22] <mrpwnage> not sure.  i've always had success with hitachi though.
[06:24] <xomz> Would you trust them in a RAID array?
[06:24] <mrpwnage> e2fsck -cfvy /dev/sda6 error reading 3 blocks so far
[06:24] <xomz> I'm planning on building a file server soon.
[06:24] <mrpwnage> xomz: honestly i've never attempted to set up a raid system
[06:25] <mrpwnage> I would trust them though yes.
[06:25] <xomz> Yeah
[06:25] <xomz> Durability is my main concern. Don't want to be replacing drives every 2 years ;)
[06:26] <xomz> You back up your drive before it started failing?
[06:26] <mrpwnage> i have a hitachi that I previously bought for my laptop and now have in an externel enclosure.  I only had one problem with it once and that was when it was still ntfs.  after I nuked it and installed ext3 I havn't had a problem so I think it was just ntfs corrupted.
[06:27] <mrpwnage> and the problem happened to be that windows wouldn't read it and linux would.
[06:27] <xomz> That's odd
[06:27] <mrpwnage> yes
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[06:32] <ananke> xomz: every drive manufacturer has bad batches. there is no single brand that has drives that last forever
[06:32] <ananke> talk with anybody who has had to use large amount of drives, they'll tell you the same: all of them fail. there is no specific brand that fails more
[06:34] <xomz> So you reckon there are none that come out on top?
[06:34] <mrpwnage> <insert bad mom joke here>
[06:35] <ananke> brand wise? not really.
[06:36] <mrpwnage> It changes every few years too.
[06:36] <mrpwnage> sometimes hitachi is producing better drives sometimes it's WD.
[06:37] <ananke> i'd say even more frequent. different drive models from the same brand have different lifespans
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[06:41] <mrpwnage> well, i'm glad that my /var partition reads.  I have all my sbopkgs stored there.
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[06:43] <init[1]> for the user buffer to be added to group wheel i use this ' usermod -Gwheel,$(groups buffer | sed 's/ /,/g' | gawk -F:, '{ print $2 }') buffer ' <- seems quite jumbo ,are there shortcuts to this ?
[06:44] <mrpwnage> When I got this raptor the 10k rpm technology was still pretty new.  I think WD was the only one making them at the time so they probably did have some bad one out there.  I guess that's what happens when you buy the latest stuff on the market.
[06:47] <mrpwnage> do you think it may just be a corrupt filesystem?  the boot sector seems to read fine
[06:48] <mrpwnage> udev stall on the livecd though
[06:49] <urthwrm> init[1]: gpasswd -a userfoo groupbar
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[06:50] <init[1]> urthwrm: ah there it is :)
[06:51] <init[1]> urthwrm: thank you
[06:54] <init[1]> urthwrm: well that worked,but usermod seem logically choice , i never even guessed gpasswd could do that :)
[06:54] <sant0> can someone show me a good and inexpensive provider to host site and e-mail
[06:54] <alisonken1noc> anybody have any luck with broadcomm bcm5785 [HT1000] SATA controller (native SATA mode) and lilo on slackware?
[06:55] <mrpwnage> sant0: I know some discount codes on a couple of different sites.  godaddy and domain.com
[06:55] <mrpwnage> like 15-20% off
[06:58] <sant0> mrpwnage: the sla good or not
[06:58] <mrpwnage> sant0: what is sla?
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[06:59] <sant0> mrpwnage: failure is common or not
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[07:00] <mrpwnage> i haven't used domain.com though I've had very good experience with godaddy.
[07:00] <mrpwnage> i think domain.com might offer shell access though.
[07:00] <urthwrm> init[1]: yeah, i suppose the name 'gpasswd' is relatively deceptive..
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[07:01] <init[1]> urthwrm: :D
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[07:03] <mrpwnage> sant0: http://revision3.com/content/offers
[07:06] <sant0> mrpwnage: thank you I read about them ... thanks :)
[07:06] <mrpwnage> for domain.com hak5 promocode will work for 15% off
[07:08] <mrpwnage> I don't really like godaddy's site set up and tend to prefer dreamhost which have shell access as well for hosted accounts, though I don't know any dreamhost promo codes.
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[07:12] <sant0> mrpwnage: thanks
[07:12] Nick change: dima -> v8v
[07:13] <v8v> hello.
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[07:14] <mrpwnage> sant0: yep no problem.  just as a side note.  if you get a vps through domain.com you are allowed root access to the server.
[07:14] <v8v> I have a few newbie questions. How to install xorg?
[07:14] <ChickenLittle> v8v, do you have cd #2 ?
[07:14] <ChickenLittle> (or the dvd?)
[07:15] <v8v> ChickenLittle: No, I have only CD1.
[07:15] <mrpwnage> then you don't have xorg
[07:15] <ChickenLittle> then go download cd #2 (or just the packages you need, which is everything in the x directory iirc
[07:15] <ChickenLittle> ?)
[07:15] <ChickenLittle> s/?//
[07:16] <v8v> ChickenLittle: Install with "installpkg"?
[07:17] <ChickenLittle> yes
[07:17] <sant0> mrpwnage: understand but my fear is getting on interio without e-mail like this today, but I'll give a good analyze this information ... thank you very much
[07:17] <ChickenLittle> after you go get them (either grab cd #2 or just the packages in x/)
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[07:18] <v8v> ChickenLittle: could you explain how to view packages list and install some of them?
[07:18] <mrpwnage> v8v: rsync -rav rsync://rsync.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/x/  /var/cache/packages/x
[07:18] <ChickenLittle> view packages list?  go to www.slackware.org/getslack pick a mirror, click slackware-13.0 and then click x i think
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[07:18] <mrpwnage> v8v: then you can install them from /var/cache/packages/x
[07:20] <ChickenLittle> wget http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/x/*.txz
[07:20] <ChickenLittle> (which downloads them)
[07:20] <ChickenLittle> then installpkg *.txz
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[07:21] <v8v> ChickenLittle: Thanks. I will try
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[07:22] <v8v> mrpwnage: there is some error: "rsync: change_dir "/slackware/slackware-current/x" (in linux) failed: No such file or directory"
[07:22] <Zordrak> slackware-current/slackware/x
[07:22] <mrpwnage> v8v: rsync -rav rsync://rsync.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/x/  /var/cache/packages/x
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[07:23] <v8v> mrpwnage: Thank you.
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[07:24] <v8v> Does CD1 contain handbook?
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[07:24] <WebUser> hi
[07:25] <WebUser> hoiw would i trace a email
[07:25] <WebUser> ebayukrswebhelp@mail2consultant.com
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[07:25] <mrpwnage> WebUser: I hope that is your email.
[07:25] <mrpwnage> WebUser: You do know IRC is logged.
[07:25] <WebUser> no i got defruaded out of a £400 laptop trying to trace it
[07:25] <WebUser> but dont kw how
[07:26] <WebUser> i dnt care
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[07:26] <mrpwnage> whois the company and use traceroute
[07:27] <Zordrak> WebUser excuse me while i wet myself that you let yourself get duped
[07:27] <mrpwnage> lol.
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[07:29] <v8v> wget x/*.txz and rsync will take a lot of time. Can I retrive package and dependencys only?
[07:29] <mrpwnage> sure you can
[07:29] <mrpwnage> have fun
[07:31] <v8v> whay?
[07:32] <mrpwnage> Whay - Used when something funny or misfortunate for someone has happened.
[07:33] <v8v> *way
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[07:35] <mrpwnage> download them?
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[07:36] <v8v> mrpwnage: yes, but dependency
[07:36] <mrpwnage> xorg.org i would guess
[07:36] <mrpwnage> x.org
[07:37] <b1> Hi, I would like to have an advice. slackware 12.2 installed, I don't succeed to reach internet with http (ping ok, dns ok)
[07:37] <mrpwnage> how are you connecting?
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[07:38] <v8v> mrpwnage: do you suggest me to download all dependencys manualy? I know that slack-get command on vector linux will do it automaticaly.
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[07:39] <x-ip> hi all
[07:39] <mrpwnage> v8v: you mean slapt-get?
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[07:39] <b1> I tried some different drivers with modprobe command but result is still the same
[07:39] <xomz> b1: you connecting to the internet through a router?
[07:40] <mrpwnage> v8v: then get slapt-get.  i'm not gonna find every dependency for you and list them one by one.
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[07:40] <slava_dp> v8v, slackware is a full install.
[07:40] <b1> xomz: yes (connection is correct with an onter PC with different operating system)
[07:40] <mrpwnage> b1: check your routes
[07:40] <slava_dp> v8v, just get the remaining cds and do a full install. or a dvd.
[07:41] <xomz> b1: Check the firewall/packet filtering rules on the gateway PC. You may have to open http up on it
[07:41] <v8v> slava_dp: dialup. download CD2 iso will take a lot of time...
[07:41] <b1> mrpwnage: it's a brand new installation, no special firewall rules, no static routes
[07:42] <v8v> by the way, do I need to download CD #3?
[07:42] <mrpwnage> v8v: really. what do you want us to do?
[07:42] <xomz> b1: Can you ping & resolve websites?
[07:42] <slava_dp> v8v, still on dialup, too bad. well, installing x by hand is a real hassle in slackware, seriously.
[07:42] <b1> xomz: I asked my ISP about that, they told me that their router was running with UNIX also and they don't see any reason to filter some packets
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[07:43] <b1> xomz: I can ping the whole internet (both IP and hostname)
[07:43] <xomz> b1: sounds like you need to open & forward port 80 on your gateway
[07:43] <slava_dp> v8v, do you want me to send you a slack 13 dvd for free via the post? i'm in ukraine too :)
[07:43] <mrpwnage> b1: just curious have you tried another computer?
[07:44] <slava_dp> v8v, that will enable you for a full install.
[07:44] <b1> mrpwnage: I made a dual boot with win2k and it's working fine with internet
[07:44] <mrpwnage> okay. if you can ping that means you have access to the dns port
[07:44] <mrpwnage> you are using firefox correct?
[07:45] <b1> xomz: I made a dual boot with win2k and it's working fine with internet with no modifications on the router
[07:45] <v8v> slava_dp, mrpwnage: I', not sure, but seem 'slackpkg' may do the job like 'slapt-get' on vector linux.
[07:45] <b1> mrpwnage: lynx and firefox
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[07:45] <xomz> b1: Check the client firewall rules?
[07:45] <slava_dp> v8v, or, there is http://lafox.net/shop/?gid=3, only 15 UAH for the dvd.
[07:45] <mrpwnage> v8v: yes you can use slackpkg, if you look at what you need it will work.
[07:45] <mrpwnage> b1: and both fail?
[07:45] <b1> xomz: policy accept for input and output...
[07:46] <mrpwnage> b1: can you give seamonkey a trie just for s&g?
[07:46] <mrpwnage> try*
[07:46] <b1> mrpwnage: yes I'm stuck with "waiting for http response" message
[07:46] <xomz> mrpwnage: sounds like a port problem to me?
[07:46] <toodiesel> hey all, i'm running slack 13 64, and everytime my monitor powers down because of power management i can't get it to power back up, any ideas what the issue is?
[07:46] <b1> mrpwnage: I'll try seamonkey...
[07:46] <mrpwnage> yes, that's strange.
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[07:47] <b1> yes, this problem is very frustrating
[07:47] Action: slava_dp kills edman007 
[07:48] <edman007> what did i do to you?!?!
[07:48] <mrpwnage> toodiesel: if you hit the power button does it come back up or does the computer reboot? what window manager?
[07:48] <slava_dp> edman007, :-)
[07:48] <v8v> slava_dp: thanks for your offers, but no, I will download CD2. My question is - do I need CD3?
[07:48] Action: slava_dp is a serial killer'
[07:48] <mrpwnage> b1: is it wireless?
[07:48] <b1> mrpwnage: no it's wired ethernet.  do you think this problem could come from a wrong driver or unsupported hardware
[07:49] <edman007> o_O
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[07:49] <xomz> b1: definitely not
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[07:49] <slava_dp> edman007, doh, i'm having lunch now. wtf.
[07:49] <mrpwnage> b1: I never count hardware driver issues out.
[07:49] <b1> xomz: it's a good news (I have 2 NICs, both have the same problem)
[07:49] <toodiesel> mrpwnage: xfce, i don't hit the power button, and rarely when i alt+ctrl+f1 can i get it back to terminal
[07:50] <xomz> b1: Are both the NIC's in the same system?
[07:50] <edman007> slava_dp: don't worry, eat
[07:50] <b1> xomz: yes. but one is connected at a time (only one cable)
[07:50] <slava_dp> edman007, i am :-)
[07:50] <xomz> b1: the fact that you can ping & resolve addresses means you have a connection to the internet
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[07:51] Nick change: uva_ -> uva
[07:51] <mrpwnage> toodiesel: stock kernel?
[07:51] <toodiesel> mrpwnage: yes
[07:51] <xomz> b1: Is it Slackware you're running?
[07:51] <b1> xomz: slackware 12.2
[07:52] <xomz> b1: Have you played with it's iptables?
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[07:52] <xomz> its*
[07:52] <toodiesel> also, does xfce run off of xorg.con settings?  i hadn't set 1650x1080 in there (1024x768 was the first listed for my color bit depth), but xfce was running at that res anyways
[07:52] <slava_dp> v8v, disk 3 is KDE.
[07:52] <mrpwnage> toodiesel: I use a cutom kernel where I have setup my swap drive in the kernel as the default hybernate drive.  Mine works, so I may not be the best one to answer this for you.  My only suggestion is to check out in xfce menu/settings/screensaver.
[07:52] <v8v> slava_dp: then I do not need it.
[07:52] <b1> xmoz: not yet, barn new installation, a lot of parameters are still with their default values
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[07:52] <slava_dp> v8v, here is the dissection: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/slackware-13-download.html
[07:52] <v8v> slava_dp: which one locale do you have there?
[07:53] <slava_dp> v8v, ru_UA.UTF-8
[07:53] <mrpwnage> toodiesel: xorg doesn't use xorg.conf anymore by default.  you can add it if you like though.
[07:53] <b1> xomz: policy accept for input,output, forward with no rules defined
[07:53] <v8v> slava_dp: ru_RU.KOI8-R it is not a problem for slackware, I hope?
[07:54] <xomz> That's really strange
[07:54] <toodiesel> mrpwnage:  what file do i edit to alter my video settings?
[07:54] <xomz> I don't know. Hopefully someone else can figure it out?
[07:54] <macavity> toodiesel: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:54] <slava_dp> v8v, why don't you use utf-8. it's so much better.
[07:54] <macavity> toodiesel: however, it is not needed to have one
[07:54] <b1> xomz: thanks for your answers
[07:54] <mrpwnage> toodiesel: You can create an xorg.conf if you like.  It will override hald
[07:54] <toodiesel> so does the kernel set video parameters?
[07:55] <toodiesel> mrpwnage:  thanks
[07:55] <macavity> toodiesel: try and mv it to see if Xorg detects everything correctly
[07:55] <slava_dp> v8v, if you have filenames in koi8-r you can recode them using confmv. and use utf-8.
[07:55] <macavity> toodiesel: only if you run with KMS
[07:55] <macavity> toodiesel: and that is not enabled by default in 13
[07:55] <mrpwnage> toodiesel: I suggest reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what how X is detecting and delegating your hardware.
[07:55] <toodiesel> macavity: thx
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[07:55] <macavity> toodiesel: i came late to the party, what's the problem again?
[07:56] <v8v> slava_dp: It will require to recode some my files. Also, there is a small problem with FTN soft...
[07:56] <b1> mrpwnage: do you have any ideas or other tests to perform to troubleshoot my internet connection problem?
[07:56] <slava_dp> v8v, the only incompatible filesystem is vfat, for which you will have to set koi8-u (or -r) and codepage 866 *in the kernel* to make automounting usb storage work with these drives.
[07:56] <mrpwnage> he can't resume after suspend macavity
[07:56] <toodiesel> macavity:  my computer monitor sleeps after a few hours and won't wake up
[07:56] <toodiesel> macavity: running stock slack 13 64
[07:56] <macavity> mrpwnage: is he still on the default vesa driver?
[07:56] <slava_dp> v8v, *convmv
[07:56] <macavity> toodiesel: have you tried cd /etc/X11/; mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup
[07:56] <macavity> toodiesel: and then restart X?
[07:57] <mrpwnage> macavity: from what I gather he's on slackware 13 default install yes.
[07:57] <macavity> toodiesel: Patrick put a default xorg.conf in there "just in case"
[07:57] <toodiesel> macavity:  thanks
[07:57] <macavity> toodiesel: and frankly, that driver sucks dogs ass
[07:57] <toodiesel> mrpwnage:  thanks for your help
[07:57] <mrpwnage> toodiesel: your welcome
[07:58] <toodiesel> macavity:  should i update to an nvidia driver?
[07:58] <macavity> toodiesel: the old VESA driver is a driver for an industry standard tha all graphics (mostly) support.. but VESA 2.0 doesnt mention neither suspend, nor powersave functions
[07:59] <macavity> toodiesel: go to slackbuilds.org and search for nvidia
[07:59] <macavity> toodiesel: and dont forget to read the README for each of the packages
[07:59] <toodiesel> macavity:  thanks
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[08:00] <mrpwnage> b1: can you use wget?  also, double check your firefox proxy config.
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[08:01] <haldir> good morn gang, and tgif
[08:01] <mrpwnage> b1: also, try to get to an ftp site in firefox and then try to get to an ftp site from the terminal.
[08:01] <mrpwnage> see if either work
[08:01] <b1> mrpwnage: I didn't try wget yet. proxy settings of firefox is auto
[08:01] <mrpwnage> b1: change it to no proxy
[08:02] <mrpwnage> b1: if still no luck try an ftp site in both firefox and the terminal.
[08:02] <b1> mrpwnage: ftp from terminal is working...only when connecting to the router. when Itry to connect to an ftp server over internet same problem
[08:02] <mrpwnage> i see
[08:03] <mrpwnage> so the terminal ftp allows you to connect?
[08:03] <mrpwnage> to the router
[08:03] <mrpwnage> though not past the router?
[08:03] <b1> mrpwnage: yes it seems
[08:04] <b1> mrpnage: only modifications I've made. forced gateway to 192.168.1.1 and putted openDNS servers in resolv.conf
[08:04] <mrpwnage> b1: mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak
[08:04] <b1> mrpwnage: that is correct, no answer betond the router
[08:05] <b1> mrpwnage: except ping request
[08:05] <mrpwnage> are you using the console or kde connection manager to connect?
[08:06] <b1> mrpwnage: only console for the moment
[08:06] <mrpwnage> okay.  what did you modify the resolv.conf for?
[08:06] <macavity> DHCP or Static IP?
[08:06] <b1> DHCP. and it's working correctly
[08:07] <macavity> then again, why did you manually force the gateway IP?
[08:07] <b1> mrpwnage: regarding gateway and DNS, it was just a test but no changes so I brought back default values
[08:08] <v8v> slava_dp: could you provide me with some URL on how-to set up cyrillic in console?
[08:08] <mrpwnage> b1: backup your resolv.conf and try to re-negotiate the connection
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[08:09] <mrpwnage> with all settings back to default
[08:09] <mrpwnage> such as default gateway
[08:09] <macavity> mrpwnage: he woudlnt be able to ping if resolution didnt work..
[08:09] <mrpwnage> yes i know, i'm just trying to get him back to square one with it.
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[08:10] <mrpwnage> he said it was default install then says he modified the gateway and resolve.conf later, so I don't know
[08:10] <macavity> true
[08:11] <xomz> :D
[08:11] <b1> mrpwnage: the problem was there since the beginning
[08:11] <macavity> b1: is it a two device system, like cable-modem <-> wireless-router?
[08:11] <b1> mrpwnage: resolv.conf is default
[08:13] <xomz> b1: What else have you changed?
[08:13] <haldir> could you ftp before this install, can you ftp from another box? router config?
[08:13] <slava_dp> v8v, /msg me your e-mail address, i'll drop you a keymap and info.
[08:13] <xomz> If you can ping google.com, resolve.conf is fine
[08:15] <mrpwnage> b1: just curious.  is this your home network or a corporate lan or hotel network etc?
[08:15] <mrpwnage> also what is your setup in regards to what macavity asked?
[08:16] <v8v> slava_dp: I'm trying to set KOI8-R locale according to slackware.ru FAQs. Not all russian letters display correctly here.
[08:17] <slava_dp> v8v, i have a unicode keymap that works great for utf-8. *why* do you need 8-bit encodings like koi8-r?
[08:19] <v8v> slava_dp: I told you that UTF-8 will bring some problems if you have use FTN soft.
[08:19] <slava_dp> v8v, what is FTN?
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[08:20] <v8v> slava_dp: FidoNet
[08:20] <slava_dp> v8v, then don't use buggy softwares :)
[08:20] <v8v> slava_dp: I have no choice.
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[08:21] <slava_dp> v8v, i didn't know fido was still active in 2009. what's the benefit?
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[08:22] <v8v> slava_dp: fido still active yet and useful for me.
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[08:23] <kostas_> hello guys!!
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[08:24] <kostas_> I've just change conky's code from the internet and when i try to run conky it says  /proc/i8k doesn't exist! use insmod to make sure the kernel driver is loaded
[08:25] <kostas_> what is going on?
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[08:28] <b1> mrpwnage: sorry for the late reply, it's a home network
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[08:29] <b1> macavity: my PC is wired directly to the router
[08:29] <b1> xomz: nothing else was changed for the moment
[08:30] <b1> xomz: yes ping www.google.com is ok with correct timing
[08:30] <macavity> b1: try killing dhcpcd and call dhclient directly on the interface
[08:31] <macavity> i have heard of one other instance with a d-link router where dhclient did the trick but dhcpcd did not (go figure)
[08:31] <v8v> slava_dp: got it work. :-)
[08:31] <b1> macavity: I tried dhcpcd -k; dhcpcd. yes i have a DLINK NIC
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[08:32] <macavity> b1: dhcpcd -k; dhclient eth0
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[08:32] <v8v> alienBOB: are you there?
[08:32] <b1> macavity: ok i'll try. for inmy information, dhclient is another flavor of dhcp client?
[08:33] <slava_dp> v8v, great.
[08:33] <macavity> b1: dhcpcd == direct host control protocol client daemon
[08:34] <macavity> b1: dhclient = not a daemon, just a client (or some such.. study manpages if you want to know their finer workings)
[08:34] <slava_dp> macavity fail. dynamic host configuration protocol ;)
[08:34] <v8v> slava_dp: does russian cummunity have their onw irc channel?
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[08:34] <macavity> slava_dp: right
[08:34] <slava_dp> v8v, #slackware on RusNet. but it's usually not very populated.
[08:34] <b1> macavity: ok I'll try tonight. thanks for your support
[08:34] <slava_dp> v8v, this one rocks.
[08:35] <b1> xomz: thanks for your support
[08:35] <macavity> b1: i am pulling my hair out just as much as you are over this one :P
[08:35] <v8v> slava_dp: this one is english channel. my english no so good.
[08:35] <b1> mrpwnage: thanks for your support
[08:35] <macavity> b1: another test tool is wicd from extra/
[08:35] <macavity> b1: it can do wired connections too
[08:35] <slava_dp> v8v, your english is pretty good :)
[08:36] <v8v> slava_dp: thanks for that, but you lie.
[08:36] <macavity> v8v: i understand you :P
[08:36] <b1> macavity: ok, many thanks. i'll keep you informed
[08:36] <slava_dp> v8v, "you lie" is a pretty harsh accusation :)
[08:36] <teckan> does anyone here have slackware 13 running on a lenovo thinkpad w500 out of the box, without driver emulation of any kind (eg. ndiswrapper)? i am thinking of buying one but i would like to listen the opinion of someone who uses linux on it before i pay :P
[08:37] <slava_dp> macavity, what do _you_ complain about? =)
[08:37] <macavity> v8v: you dont need to be able to write poetry in english.. just basic communication about tech stuff will do :P
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[08:37] <macavity> slava_dp: i complain?
[08:37] Action: slava_dp goes on doing his stuff.
[08:38] <AtuM> can anyone point me to the dmraid build script for 64bit slackware?
[08:38] <macavity> teckan: if you can get me the full lspci output from it i can tell you if everything is supported or not
[08:39] <macavity> teckan: but since you mention ndiswrapper it sounds like its the wifi thingie that you worry about? is it a Broadcom?
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[08:40] <teckan> macavity, i did not buy it yet, so how the hell should i be able to do give you the full lspci output? :P i i had it, i wouldn't need to ask here for the info
[08:40] <slava_dp> teckan, http://tinyurl.com/ycybf4m :)
[08:40] <AtuM> I've used the source package on a virtual machine just to see it it works.. one of the library was put in the /lib dir instead of the /lib64 dir where expected.. I'm not sure I want to do a V2P (copy it over) until I'm sure it works
[08:40] <macavity> teckan: google?
[08:40] <slava_dp> macavity, it's an intel wifi there.
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[08:41] <teckan> slava_dp, i had already done it but thank you anyway.
[08:41] <metrofox> hi there
[08:41] <slava_dp> teckan, read this one http://www.linlap.com/wiki/lenovo+thinkpad+w500
[08:42] <haldir> hello metrofox
[08:42] <metrofox> hello haldir
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[08:42] <teckan> i already did
[08:43] <teckan> as you may have noticed, it is not up to date and most of the features were not tested by then
[08:43] <macavity> teckan: http://pastebin.ca/1710941
[08:44] <macavity> you may need the proprietary Ati drivers
[08:44] <teckan> thank you :)
[08:44] <macavity> HD3650 has problems out of the box on slackware 13 i belive
[08:45] <macavity> at least with composite/randr/xinerama
[08:45] <macavity> but a kernel/drm/xorg-video-radeon/mesa update should clear that right up
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[08:47] <macavity> teckan: other than that it looks like a pretty good machine
[08:47] <macavity> teckan: T9400 is a bloody nice CPU :-)
[08:48] <teckan> yes, the one i am thinking to buy comes with the T9600
[08:48] <macavity> even nicer
[08:49] <macavity> i have a T7400 myself.. i bought it two and a half years ago
[08:49] <teckan> the fact that xorg does not support switchable graphics is quite bad
[08:49] <macavity> and it is still pretty much up to speed :P
[08:49] <macavity> switchable graphics?
[08:50] <teckan> yeah
[08:50] <macavity> whatis?
[08:50] <teckan> this laptop has 2 graphics
[08:50] <teckan> one integrated and the other one is discrete
[08:50] <macavity> ah, powersave thingie?
[08:51] <teckan> (one intended for low power consumption, the other one for performance)
[08:51] <teckan> yeah, that's it
[08:51] <macavity> right.. yes, i wonder when they get around to this
[08:51] <macavity> ive seen mention of it on their mailing list
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[08:51] <macavity> i think one of the problems is that it is still quite uncommon
[08:51] <teckan> "their mailing list" = "xorg's mailing list" ?
[08:51] <macavity> yes
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[08:52] <init[1]> i just installed bitlbee , i'm lazy atm to read docs :P , i have a simple question 'are the connections to the IM servers encripted by default' ?
[08:52] <macavity> i subscribe to xorg, mesa and xorg-video-intel
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[08:52] <aza2ul> hi everyone
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[08:53] Action: macavity robs the kitchen
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[08:57] <teckan> macavity, as far as i understood, if i install the drivers for the ati card, i just need to change the xorg.conf and restart x11 in order to use a different card. is this it?
[08:57] <aza2ul> how can i find out the reason  , why my box hs no sound
[08:58] <alisonken1noc> lspci as root and see what your sound chip is, then alsaconfig and see if it can detect it properly
[08:58] <aza2ul> k
[08:58] <Pig_Pen> alsaconf
[08:58] <alisonken1noc> what Pig_Pen said :)
[08:59] <aza2ul> alsaconf didnt find anything ..
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[09:00] <Pig_Pen> did lspci show any sound cards?
[09:00] <init[1]> aza2ul: does alsamixer show about any card ? atleast
[09:00] <aza2ul> nope
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[09:01] <aza2ul> the lspci tells me tat i have ICH7 chipset
[09:01] <aza2ul> ..which shouldnt be a problem
[09:03] <aza2ul> but there is no soundcard listed .. could it be that the card on this box has been burnt ?
[09:03] <aza2ul> and if it is , any ideas , how i could test it ?
[09:03] <init[1]> lsmod | grep snd did it show up anything ?
[09:03] <init[1]> 'lsmod | grep snd'
[09:03] <aza2ul> nope
[09:04] <aza2ul> its almost as the audio-output stuff on the back of the box is fake  ^^
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[09:06] <Pig_Pen> maybe it is fake, and they were supposed to give you a harmonica when you bought the PC
[09:06] <aza2ul> i didnt buy it
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[09:07] <Pig_Pen> so thats why you did not get a free harmonica
[09:07] <init[1]> aza2ul: check you bios to see if you have audio card atleast , may be its disabled
[09:07] <aza2ul> hmm .. right
[09:07] <Pig_Pen> that is a possability
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[09:13] <macavity> teckan: i dont know.. i dont use an xorg.conf any more
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[09:17] <teckan> macavity, hal, then?
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[09:21] <agentc0re> mornin all.
[09:22] <hitest> morning:)
[09:24] <teckan> afternoon
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[09:25] <sahk0> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzc5NQ yay!
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[09:29] <Zordrak> Please tell me no-one I know in here is "onebuck"
[09:29] <init[1]> sahk0: \o/
[09:29] <Azalyn> sahk0: and here i thought it would be something exciting like "hell freezes over and ut3 is finally released!"
[09:30] <Azalyn> or "ati opensource drivers magically catch up to proprietary ones overnight, with full uvd/uvd2 support to boot!"
[09:30] <Azalyn> :(
[09:30] <init[1]> Zordrak: "no-one I know in here is "onebuck""
[09:30] Action: init[1] :D
[09:31] <thrice`> I am onebuck
[09:31] <thrice`> ok, just kidding :>
[09:31] <CcSsNET> i have 1 buck
[09:31] Action: CcSsNET stretches it like hes rich
[09:32] <agentc0re> Zordrak: .... lol, why?  Oh did you get my link i sent you btw?
[09:33] <Zordrak> agentc0re: just a douchebag being an "I was here first so I must be right" troll on LQ
[09:33] <Zordrak> agentc0re: which links?
[09:34] <agentc0re> Zordrak: http://bit.ly/8luOZ7
[09:34] <agentc0re> hope it still works, i sent it last night.
[09:34] <hitest> bbiab
[09:34] <Zordrak> sent where?
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[09:35] <agentc0re> Zordrak: here, in chat.
[09:35] <sahk0> Zordrak: btw http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Security-hole-in-Thunderbird-2-x-883551.html , /me obviously reading rss :)
[09:36] <Zordrak> orite.. yeah Ive been leaving the slack window up.. never remeber to lastlog
[09:36] <Zordrak> agentc0re: yeah i saw on /. today.. good news :)
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[09:37] <Zordrak> sahk0: sucky :/
[09:37] <agentc0re> Zordrak: ya, figured you'd like that.
[09:37] <Zordrak> sahk0: nothing i can do about it but wait for updates
[09:37] <Zordrak> woo for linus
[09:37] <paul424> hi what is the main obstacle for larger prebuild packages being avalaible for slackware ?
[09:38] <sahk0> larger in amount?
[09:38] <Zordrak> paul424: be more specific
[09:38] <paul424> yes, besides what is the pat policy towards new packages in current and extras ... ?
[09:38] <agentc0re> anyone ever deal with socket 604 cpu's much?  i can't find much info about weather or not that later on they became true dual core instead of just a single hyperthreaded xeon.
[09:38] <paul424> yes, larger in amount
[09:38] <Zordrak> paul424: he adds stuff he wants to.. thats the only policy
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[09:39] <paul424> It is him who decides about everything ? How he could test every package ?
[09:39] <Zordrak> paul424: he trusts people to do testing for him
[09:39] <Zordrak> paul424: the same way Linus Torvalds does not test or work on every part of the kernel
[09:39] <agentc0re> paul424: like santa clause, he has lots of elfs to do his bidding.
[09:40] <Zordrak> paul424: it's built by a web of trust and Pat is the benelovent dictator
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[09:43] <Pig_Pen> if some piece of software starts causing trouble not only will slackware users tell Pat & Co. about it, other distros are using the same software and will notify the developers of said distros and all that info will be passed upstream paul424
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[09:53] <sveajobb> Hi, any pointer on how to get 32-bits programs up and running on slackware 13  64bit version?
[09:54] <adamk> sveajobb, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib
[09:54] <sveajobb> adamk, thanks abunch
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[10:17] <paul424> NEPOMUK (Networked Environment for Personalized, Ontology-based Management of Unified Knowledge) is an open-source software specification that is concerned with the development of a Social Semantic Desktop that enriches and interconnects data from different desktop applications using semantic metadata stored as RDF. Initially, it was developed in the NEPOMUK project[1] and cost 17 million...
[10:17] <paul424> ...euros, of which 11.5 million was funded by the European Union
[10:17] <paul424> sounds like a joke but it isn't ;(
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[10:18] <paul424> What's it use, beside wheedling money from EU ?
[10:20] <paul424>  /join kde
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[10:42] <v6CommO> can someone please point me in the direction of the documentation on how to upgrade the kernel packages recently announced by Slackware Security?
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[10:48] <dorin> hy
[10:49] <dorin> how can i use -X command  in screen: screen -X <what_here?>
[10:49] <thumbs> v6CommO: upgradepkg and set the announcement on the mailing list
[10:49] <thumbs> dorin: what are you trying to achieve?
[10:50] <v6CommO> thumbs: I am new to linux and just don't know what packages to use and in what order
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[10:51] <v6CommO> thumbs: I mean...I know to use Slackware 13 and not -current
[10:51] <dorin> i run $ screen -mdUS mplayer mplayer foo.mp3
[10:51] <v6CommO> thumbs: but as far as what packages to use from ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/linux-2.6.29.6-3/
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[10:52] <dorin> and i want to ttell mplayer to mute
[10:52] <dorin> or quit
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[10:54] <thumbs> v6CommO: if you run pkgtool, you can see what you have installed already
[10:54] <thumbs> v6CommO: then upgrade the packages you already have installed.
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[11:03] <v6CommO> thumbs: thanks...it appears as though I have all of those packages installed
[11:03] <macavity> v6CommO: if you dont know what kernel you are running, then you are running huge-smp
[11:04] <v6CommO> thumbs: should that be the case or should you only have one kernel version installed
[11:04] <macavity> v6CommO: .. dont forget to get the corresponding -modules package too
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[11:04] <thumbs> v6CommO: every package must be updated.
[11:04] <gartt> What's the best way to be able to watch media remotely? Ex: I go to my friend's house and want to watch my videos from my home computer?
[11:05] <gartt> Freenas?
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[11:05] <v6CommO> thumbs: thanks
[11:05] <v6CommO> macavity: thanks
[11:05] <macavity> gartt: or icecast/shoutcast?
[11:05] <macavity> v6CommO: yw :-)
[11:06] <macavity> gartt: i belive that ffmpeg has a build in streaming server
[11:06] <gartt> macavity: Really?
[11:07] <macavity> gartt: ffserver
[11:07] <macavity> doesnt seem to have a manpage though :-/
[11:07] <init[1]> for wicd i use _dhcpcd_ backend for my wired and i use different dns in /etc/resolv.conf ,each time it overwrites it with ISP's DNS,the work around i used ,when /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf was used ,is to give 'yes' to retain the file , what do i do with wicd ? i have set up the dns setting of wired in wicd to be what i wanted ,but should both be same ?
[11:07] <gartt> macavity: Neat
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[11:09] <init[1]> s/should/shouldn't/
[11:11] <gartt> Anything that can decode files on the fly while streaming them remotely? All the media is in xvid format
[11:11] <macavity> i dont think it decodes them
[11:12] <macavity> it just streams them so you dont have to pull the entire file before playing
[11:12] <gartt> Is there anything that would accomplish that?
[11:12] <gartt> macavity: Understood
[11:13] <macavity> wont ffserver do that?
[11:13] <gartt> hmm
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[11:14] <v6CommO> do the kernel packages need to be upgraded in any order and if not, can a wildcard be used (ie: upgradepkg kernel*)
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[11:15] <macavity> no special order
[11:15] <macavity> kernel*txz will do
[11:15] <v6CommO> sweet...thanks
[11:16] <macavity> v6CommO: slackpkg is your friend ;-)
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[11:16] <macavity> afk
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[11:17] <v6CommO> macavity: will read up on it...thanks again
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[11:26] <gartt> Stupid question, but could I use something like freenx to watch videos remotely?
[11:27] <aza2ul> you can tunnel any application to your Xorg , if thats what you mean
[11:27] <ananke> gartt: yes
[11:29] <gartt> Hmm. I wonder if that'd be simpler than using ffmpeg's ffserver
[11:30] <init[1]> gartt: well i think you can scp the file too that :D (kinda streaming )
[11:31] <gartt> init[1]: Actually, I wonder if you could watch a file while transferring via scp?
[11:32] <init[1]> gartt: well i do ,when i use torrents :)
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[11:35] <gartt> :)
[11:36] <init[1]> gartt: did it work ? i haven't tired it though,practically it will
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[11:39] <ananke> uhmm, why not just use nfs or cifs?
[11:39] <gartt> init[1]: I can watch movies with mplayer that I'm dwonloading via scp
[11:40] <init[1]> gartt: i have even better solution for you :D
[11:40] <init[1]> gartt: sshfs :D
[11:40] <gartt> just using sftp/scp is easier
[11:40] <init[1]> gartt: yea :)
[11:41] <gartt> And friends with windows (or me on a win box) can just use winscp
[11:41] <ananke> cifs would be faster
[11:42] <init[1]> gartt: ah ,so you owe me :D
[11:42] <gartt> ananke: Embarrassingly, I never heard of cifs until I just googled it
[11:43] <Dominian> cifs.. I should start using that
[11:43] <gartt> init[1]: I no undastand
[11:43] <ananke> most folks think of smbfs when you talk about samba, while cifs is what you really should be using these days
[11:43] <Dominian> ananke: hrm...
[11:44] <dorin> how can i see what keys i am pressing ( there was a program that shw me that,but i can not remember its name)
[11:44] <ananke> dorin: xev
[11:44] <init[1]> gartt: nvm :(, well gartt rsync/rcp  would be faster imo
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[11:44] <init[1]> dorin: xev
[11:45] <init[1]> late
[11:45] <dorin> tnx
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[12:52] <Pig_Pen> looks like Nouveau nvidia driver is going to be included in linux-2.6.33
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[13:02] <edman007> Pig_Pen: but how much suck does it have?
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[13:04] <Pig_Pen> not sure, i am a luddite that tends to not jump on the bleeding edge software
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[13:06] <Pig_Pen> i just bought one of those atomic alarm clocks that uses NIST to set the time
[13:06] <Necos> i have one of those in my office
[13:06] <Necos> they're cool
[13:08] <CcSsNET> u mean u have nuclear device in ur house?
[13:08] <Pig_Pen> it is battery operated and has no plug wire, i am going to take it around the house and sync all the other clocks to it, i dont think there are two clocks in this house with the same time on each one, i am going to fix that, and the clocks that dont keep accurate time is getting a toss
[13:08] <BP{k}> CcSsNET: WHY NOT?
[13:08] <BP{k}> heh, darn caps.
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[13:09] <Pig_Pen> an atomic clock has a radio receiver in it that gets time from NIST in colorado,
[13:10] <CcSsNET> wow.
[13:10] <CcSsNET> ur joking right
[13:10] <Pig_Pen> NIST = National Institute of Standards and Technology, they have WWV radio stations that broadcast time from an atomic clock that is the most accurate in the world
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[13:11] <CcSsNET> ehh accurate or do you mean stable
[13:11] <CcSsNET> define accurate in relation to time :P
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[13:11] <Pig_Pen> get a shortwave reciever and tune to 2.500 or 5.000 or 10.000 and you can hear it
[13:11] <CcSsNET> rf scares me :P
[13:12] <CcSsNET> o wait, they know that thought too
[13:12] <CcSsNET> haha
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[13:12] <mancha> just make sure you have your tinfoil hat on
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[13:13] <CcSsNET> copper hat
[13:13] <CcSsNET> ftw
[13:14] <CcSsNET> applifies better
[13:14] <CcSsNET> hahaha
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[13:14] Action: edman007 gets his Mumetal hat
[13:15] <CcSsNET> O.o
[13:15] <CcSsNET>  ^ look a word i dont know
[13:15] <CcSsNET> someone google it for me
[13:15] <edman007> no
[13:15] <CcSsNET> :P
[13:15] <mancha> uranium-237 hat
[13:15] <edman007> mancha: is that safe?
[13:16] <CcSsNET> in what context?
[13:17] <edman007> hrm, U237 is not on the wiki, that must mean it is crazy radioactive...
[13:18] <edman007> CcSsNET: brain cancer context...or fission context if that happens first with a U237 hat
[13:19] <CcSsNET> heh
[13:19] <straterra> My hat is made out of urmom
[13:19] <straterra> It's an asshat
[13:20] <mancha> i should try out my yuckfoo-239 hat
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[13:25] <metrofox> hi folks!
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[13:58] <kleanchap> How do I get sound on slackware to work?  I did a default install and cannot get any sound.
[13:59] <rg3> kleanchap: are you a member of the audio group?
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[14:00] <Necos> oh goddamnit >.<;
[14:00] <nix_chix0r> noo i got stabbed
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[14:01] <nix_chix0r> cheers
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[14:02] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: ezi
[14:02] <deco> nix_chix0r: :P  < ------
[14:02] <nix_chix0r> oh nooo deco is still staring at my pic:P
[14:02] <deco> lol
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[14:02] <nix_chix0r> i should take another and moon you
[14:02] <deco> nix_chix0r: :o
[14:06] <mancha> did you alsaconf?
[14:07] <guax> what picture?
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[14:07] <nix_chix0r> saweet it's going at 83kB/s now
[14:07] <nix_chix0r> ETA 14hrs bah
[14:08] <acidchild> wutwut??
[14:08] <nix_chix0r> i will get that leopard 10.5 dagnabbit
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[14:08] <nix_chix0r> guax, picture of me sticking my tounge out at deco
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[14:09] <acidchild> i hope he cleaned all the puke up
[14:09] <guax> nix_chix0r, that would be weird if you not a girl, and if you are, send the pic
[14:09] <guax> =P
[14:09] <tewmten> ez acidchild
[14:09] <acidchild> tewmten: !!!!!!!!
[14:09] <nix_chix0r> hah
[14:09] <acidchild> :D HI!
[14:09] <tewmten> acidchild: i has vacation :)
[14:09] <acidchild> WOOOO
[14:09] <guax> can haz vacation?
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[14:10] <tewmten> tomorrow i go to sweden
[14:10] <acidchild> nice, things going well then?
[14:10] <tewmten> yeah somewhat
[14:10] <acidchild> thats liffeee
[14:10] <tewmten> some things going good, somethings goeing shiutty
[14:10] <tewmten> its just life :D
[14:11] <nix_chix0r> sorr guax you'll have to have deco share it
[14:11] <guax> :(
[14:11] <nix_chix0r> and hope its the right one
[14:11] <nix_chix0r> unless i can find it in my 80tabs
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[14:12] <tewmten> :)
[14:12] <guax> you can make one for me using a slackware t-shirt and a sign saying, hi guax
[14:12] <guax> eauueuheauheauha
[14:12] <nix_chix0r> i think guacamole when i read guax
[14:12] <nix_chix0r> and that looks like the stuff in my kids diaper
[14:12] <guax> kids? im out =(
[14:12] <guax> eauheauhaeuh
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[14:13] <nix_chix0r> rofl
[14:13] <guax> nix_chix0r, but its good. good with meat for example
[14:13] <nix_chix0r> the real stuff i don't mind
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[14:23] <Necos> nix_chix0r, what pic are you referring to? lol
[14:23] Action: nix_chix0r shrugs
[14:24] <Necos> and deco and his staring...
[14:24] <Necos> brb yet again
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[14:33] <nix_chix0r> kk
[14:34] <Alan_Hicks> Howdy.
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[14:35] <nix_chix0r> hihi
[14:37] <gar0t0> Howdy :D
[14:37] <Alan_Hicks> gar0t0: Good to see you.
[14:38] <fire|bird> hey Alan_Hicks, how are you?
[14:38] <gar0t0> Alan_Hicks: :)
[14:38] <Alan_Hicks> I've had better days.
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[14:38] <gar0t0> Alan_Hicks: today I'm going to drink with "slackers"
[14:39] <Alan_Hicks> Today, I'm going to drink alone. :^(
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[14:40] <gar0t0> Alan_Hicks: hehe!! I drink alone almost every days
[14:40] <sahk0> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/mozilla-man-urges-move-to-bing-from-google-657526?src=rss&attr=all
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[14:43] <Necos> hmmm, interesting
[14:44] Action: Alan_Hicks thinks he's gonna go get those drinks now and work on this server some more when he gets back.
[14:44] <Necos> that'll work
[14:44] <Necos> :P
[14:44] <thrice`> agreed :>
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[14:44] <straterra> Alan_Hicks: pm me when you get back
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[14:52] <Necos> geez
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[14:52] <fire|bird> you kick the cable?
[14:52] <Necos> lol
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[14:53] <Necos> see what you made me do!
[14:53] <fire|bird> you horrible, horrible person. :P
[14:53] <Necos> brb
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[14:55] <nix_chix0r> always with the brb
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[15:00] <raelaa> firefox locked up and I had to kill it, but I guess it somehow took the audio driver with it.. trying to use mpg123 results in the error ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:866:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave No default libao driver available.
[15:00] <raelaa> how can I get sound working again? running slackware 12.1
[15:01] <thrice`> reboot? :)
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[15:01] <thrice`> I can never fix those sorts of things quicker than by rebooting
[15:01] <raelaa> probably, but shouldn't there be a way to do it without that? :/
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[15:02] <thrice`> sure, I'd imagine.  I can never figure it out, but I suck at linux
[15:02] <raelaa> I'm only going to be around another hour or so, so I don't want to reboot the laptop just for something like music
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[15:03] <thrice`> maybe unloading and reloading all of the snd modules
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[15:03] <raelaa> damn laptop is trying to be such a pain in the ass. upgraded it figuring I could easily reinstall programs I used.. nope. as it is, I've been using pandora since playmp3list and audacious are broken :/
[15:03] <thrice`> pandora has a really sweet CLI client
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[15:04] <thrice`> well, sorry, someone made a pretty sweet CLI client to work with pandora :)  it's called "pianobar"
[15:04] <raelaa> I'd love to listen to the music I have on the laptop already, but only mpg123 works reliably, which is a pain since there's no playlist
[15:04] <Azeotrope> i have a folder with html files and i need to find a specific word in those files. how can i do that?
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[15:05] <raelaa> grep ?
[15:05] <thrice`> Azeotrope, grep "your_word" *.html
[15:06] <Azeotrope> thrice`: thanks
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[15:08] <raelaa> ugh.. and of course, since I upgraded and mplayer was not installed with the upgrade, it will no longer compile
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[15:08] <thrice`> raelaa, really, use slackware 13 :)
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[15:11] <raelaa> thrice`: I may just be jaded, but I don't think it'll solve much :P I was told to upgrade to the rc before 13 (I downloaded a week or two before 13 came out :/), telling me it would fix things, and yet it didn't :P
[15:11] <viu> how do I install packages with their dependencies?
[15:11] <raelaa> er, on my other laptop
[15:11] <thumbs> viu: read the README for each package?
[15:11] <raelaa> viu: find the dependencies and download/install
[15:12] <thumbs> viu: packages in slackware have no dependency information
[15:12] <viu> thumbs: I'm currently on OpenBSD. Could you exaplain me the content of README?
[15:12] <BP{k}> ....
[15:12] <thrice`> lol
[15:12] <thumbs> viu: why are you asking in ##slackware, then?
[15:12] <raelaa> wow
[15:12] <viu> raelaa: download manualy?
[15:12] <straterra> viu: sure. cat README
[15:12] <BP{k}> viu: a highly encrypted document with ROT52 ..
[15:12] <viu> thumbs: because I have slackware installed.
[15:12] <raelaa> viu: yes. find package, download package, install package
[15:13] <BP{k}> wait, openbsd users can't read?
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[15:13] <thumbs> viu: we'll help you with slackware. Not OpenBSD
[15:13] <viu> thumbs: Should I reboot into Slackware to get some help here?
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[15:14] <raelaa> oh, yes, viu, download manually
[15:14] <thrice`> are you trying to install packages on slackware, or openbsd ?
[15:14] <viu> thumbs: on slackware, ofcourse. I'm newbie to Linux, but I'm not idiot.
[15:14] <alienBOB> viu: good 3rd party Slackware packages will have a README that tells you what other packages are needed
[15:14] <thumbs> viu: we already told you how, then
[15:15] <thrice`> slackware has a site for non-official (meaning, provided by Pat) packages, at slackbuilds.org
[15:15] <alienBOB> As for Slackware itself - do a full install if you are unsure what you need
[15:15] <viu> thanks guys.
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[15:15] <viu> alienBOB: do you remember your advice about memory hole?
[15:15] <alienBOB> Yes
[15:16] <viu> alienBOB: thanks to you I got slackware installed.
[15:16] <Necos> hmmm
[15:16] <alienBOB> So it worked, by fixing that BIOS setting?
[15:16] <viu> alienBOB: sure.
[15:16] <viu> alienBOB: option should disabled to avoid such problem
[15:17] <viu> *should be
[15:17] <Necos> slack-required files are a 3rd party thing, right?
[15:17] <viu> alienBOB: I think it would good idea to add my expirience (your advice) to FAQ.
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[15:18] <BP{k}> Necos: correct. I believe it is used by slapt-get
[15:18] <Necos> oh...
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[15:19] <Necos> whenever i look at slacky.eu, i noticed a lot of those files too
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[15:20] <Necos> *notice
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[15:23] <Necos> gsb appently uses slapt-get too
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[15:25] <Necos> geez >.<;;;
[15:26] <BP{k}> Necos: yeah slacky.eu is a repository I think for slapt-get and they have their own freaky package manager as well.
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[15:27] <Necos> hmmm
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[15:28] <Necos> that makes sense
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[15:30] Action: BP{k} sends Alan_Hicks back until he is properly buzzed.
[15:31] <_slax0r_> lol
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> Well, I would be "properly buzzed" but I'm countering the alcohol downer with a huge dose of chewin' tobacco upper.
[15:31] <Necos> lol
[15:31] <Necos> sounds very... country...
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> There's a reason for that.
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[15:34] <Necos> 1/2 my family is from louisiana , so...
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[15:43] <Necos> hmmm, is there a slackbuild for policy kit?
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[15:43] <Necos> heh, nevermind, it's in the gsb set
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[15:46] <Necos> gonna build *gasp* evolution
[15:46] <BP{k}> may the source be with you.
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[15:48] <Necos> yeah, i'm building the bare minimum set of packages to build it
[15:48] <Necos> sort of what i did for Kontact lol
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[15:50] <Necos> doesn't make sense for me to install all of gnome for it
[15:51] <BP{k}> hm I wonder how much you end up installing anyway.
[15:52] <Necos> hopefully not much :)
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[15:53] <Necos> geez, this is sad lol
[15:54] <Pig_Pen> i hate that about gnome, its too invasive, at least with kde it just depends on qt and a few image libraries
[15:56] <Necos> yeah, gnome is quite invasive
[15:57] <Necos> i do like gtk a little more than qt, but that's just because i prefer c to c++
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[15:57] <Pig_Pen> same here, gtk is cool with me
[15:58] <Alan_Hicks> Big netsplit.
[15:59] <Necos> very big
[15:59] <fire|bird> that's what she said
[15:59] <Necos> lol
[15:59] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird 
[15:59] <Necos> :)
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[15:59] <fire|bird> :)
[16:00] <Necos> hmmm, heimdal can be replaced by krb5, right?
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[16:01] <Alan_Hicks> That is actually what she said to me last night.
[16:01] <Necos> lol she wanted heimdal replaced by krb5? :P
[16:01] <sahilsk> wow
[16:01] <raelaa> the netsplit is very big?
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[16:02] <Alan_Hicks> Necos: I don't know, but some of the things she said could have possibly been heimdal or kerberos. ;-)
[16:02] <rworkman> "The split is very big"  <-- THAT is what Alan said.
[16:03] Action: Alan_Hicks wisely holds his tongue.
[16:03] <Necos> lol
[16:03] <rworkman> You'd have used that instead if you were wise.
[16:03] <Necos> she speaks in tongues Alan_Hicks? :P
[16:03] <rworkman> HAHAHA
[16:03] <rworkman> :)
[16:04] <Alan_Hicks> s/t i/t tail i/
[16:04] <Necos> LOL
[16:04] <fire|bird> speaking of Alan_Hicks, http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1807
[16:04] <Necos> LOL
[16:05] <Alan_Hicks> Necos: More like her tongue "speaks".
[16:05] <Necos> lol
[16:05] <fire|bird> [ in bed ]
[16:05] <Necos> LOL
[16:05] <Necos> perfect!
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[16:06] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[16:06] <Pig_Pen> fire|bird: i live in the same timezone you do, and its the middle of the day!
[16:06] <Necos> lol
[16:06] <Alan_Hicks> andarius: Salutations!  I hope you know what mess you just stepped in.
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[16:06] <andarius> Alan_Hicks: nope, I sure don't. but I have a pooper scooper handy ;)
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[16:07] <fire|bird> you may need it.
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[16:07] <Alan_Hicks> andarius: I hope it's attached to a front-end loader.
[16:07] Action: andarius scoops up fire|bird :o
[16:07] <Necos> yeah, Alan_Hicks is a manipulative bitch, and apparently his girl's tongue speaks...
[16:07] <fire|bird> lol
[16:07] <fire|bird> Necos: what a combo
[16:07] <Necos> lol
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[16:07] <Alan_Hicks> s/l's/ls'/
[16:07] <Necos> lol
[16:07] <fire|bird> I wonder if Alan_Hicks's manipulative ways is what made the girls tongue speak.
[16:07] <Necos> Alan_Hicks is indeed a manipulative bitch :)
[16:08] <Alan_Hicks> It was more along the lines of her manipulative tongue making me speak nonsensical utterances.
[16:08] <fire|bird> lol
[16:08] <Necos> that almost sounds like a personal problem...
[16:08] <fire|bird> yeah, but never fear, there's help for that.
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[16:10] <Necos> that reminds me of dark knight :P
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[16:11] <beatzz> SUP G'S!!!
[16:11] <beatzz> Linux+ Exam tommrow! 10AM
[16:12] <Alan_Hicks> Oh God...
[16:12] <raelaa> ...g's?
[16:12] <beatzz> raelaa, you must not know me
[16:12] <beatzz> Alan_Hicks, My plan to prep for the test
[16:12] <beatzz> is to go out tonight, and have an awsome time
[16:13] <beatzz> :D
[16:13] <Alan_Hicks> Then let me suggest that you get started.
[16:13] <raelaa> beatzz: oh, I saw you talk the other day. was glad to see you quit
[16:13] <fire|bird> haha
[16:13] <beatzz> :p raelaa, dont be a hater, just cause you know im way cooler than you.
[16:13] <fire|bird> pfft
[16:13] <raelaa> and yet, I know how to spell.. overrated, I know
[16:13] <beatzz> aint that right fire|bird
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[16:14] <fire|bird> s/right/debatable/
[16:14] <fire|bird> ;)
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[16:15] <Alan_Hicks> s/right/certainly wrong/
[16:15] <beatzz> I know you all <3 me
[16:15] <beatzz> its just one of those, luv hate relationships.
[16:16] <Alan_Hicks> <\3  Know what that is?  That's a stake in your vampire heart.
[16:16] <raelaa> hahahaha
[16:16] <Necos> we love to hate you beatzz? >.>
[16:16] <beatzz> hey whatever works
[16:16] <Necos> i don't necessarily hate you... yet...
[16:17] <raelaa> I want to take an 'advanced unix tools' course next semester.. but I don't really have the prereqs at all. hopefully, a few years of experience doing not much will help me out
[16:17] <beatzz> ....
[16:17] <beatzz> why not just take it?
[16:17] <Alan_Hicks> beatzz: I don't hate you either.  Hating you would require you to be worth me having an opinion.
[16:18] <raelaa> ..yes, I will be taking it. I have the experience already. at least, I will take it if it isn't full
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[16:18] <beatzz> there ya go Alan_Hicks
[16:18] <beatzz> :D hey i show nothing but <3 for my fellow linux users.
[16:18] <beatzz> like that amzing article on networking
[16:18] <Necos> lol Alan_Hicks
[16:18] Action: Alan_Hicks doesn't like being buttered-up.
[16:18] <beatzz> which btw Alan_Hicks is going to be the next material i study
[16:19] <Alan_Hicks> Joy of joys.
[16:19] <raelaa> aren't kids so endearing?
[16:19] <Necos> Alan_Hicks, but how will you fit thru the door? :P
[16:19] <beatzz> raelaa, kids? i got 2 of um, what do u know about kids?
[16:19] <Alan_Hicks> raelaa: kids?  Yeah... they really are... Those baby goats...  I almost hate to see them grow up into billys and nannies so we can sacrifice them.
[16:20] <Alan_Hicks> Necos: If I keep drinking beer like this?  I don't know.
[16:20] <beatzz> Alan_Hicks, did you ever try the 1554 i prescribed you?
[16:20] <raelaa> Alan_Hicks: you don't keep/sell the nannies for milk/breeding? or just keep the number of stock you have
[16:20] <Necos> lol
[16:21] <Alan_Hicks> raelaa: No, they're too valuable for predicting the future.  I find nothing is better for determining true love than reading goat entrails.  Also, their blood is a key requirement in driving away trolls.
[16:21] <Necos> hehehe
[16:21] <raelaa> oh, okay. I can see why you'd sacrifice them all, then
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[16:22] <raelaa> but, you'd think you'd only need to do it once to find your true love if you were any good at it :P
[16:22] <Necos> he missed :P
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[16:23] <raelaa> isn't that when you tie them up in your closet, Necos?
[16:23] <Alan_Hicks> raelaa: Yes, but it's also good for determining who's "almost true love" enough to sleep with you.
[16:23] <raelaa> ah, who needs body language any moree
[16:23] <Necos> Alan_Hicks, so, how's your advertising going for blood readings?
[16:23] <Alan_Hicks> raelaa: That's right.  Body *part* language is so much more precise.
[16:24] <snL20> I got something in my fron pocket for you!
[16:24] <snL20> front*
[16:24] <raelaa> chop off a tip of their finger?
[16:24] <Alan_Hicks> snL20: Is it a quarter?
[16:24] <snL20> Alan_Hicks: hehe
[16:25] <Necos> boy am i glad i don't live near you snL20...
[16:25] <snL20> Necos: lol
[16:25] <Necos> i don't like watching people get punched across a bar for being a dumbass :)
[16:26] <Necos> they might spill my drink
[16:26] <Necos> in which case, i'll have to kick their ass for spilling my drink
[16:26] <snL20> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvIj_t3-kC0
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[16:26] <snL20> >:D
[16:26] <snL20> that song is just win!
[16:27] <beatzz> no... no...
[16:27] <beatzz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh6oGwOMVeY
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[16:27] <beatzz> thers raelaa after 1 beer ^
[16:28] <snL20> Necos: check it :)
[16:28] <Necos> can't watch youtube from work :)
[16:28] <beatzz> pssh
[16:29] <snL20> Necos: aah... got ya ;)
[16:29] <beatzz> Necos, www.newbackdoor.com
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[16:29] <snL20> Necos: www.hidemyass.com
[16:29] <Necos> lolwebsense
[16:29] <snL20> ;)
[16:30] <raelaa> beatzz: not bothering watching it because I'm sure it's lame and I'm also sure it's very incorrect
[16:30] <Necos> lol
[16:30] <snL20> raelaa: that must be you! :)
[16:30] <beatzz> lolz, it fits your online character perfectly
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[16:30] <Alan_Hicks> Damn that's drunk!
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[16:31] <raelaa> sigh. does it need sound? because sound broke on my laptop and I don't feel like rebooting
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[16:31] <beatzz> Alan_Hicks, word
[16:31] <Necos> lol don't be drawn in raela
[16:31] <snL20> raelaa: not really
[16:31] <Alan_Hicks> What words?
[16:32] <beatzz> raelaa it dosent REQUIRE sound.
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[16:32] <beatzz> its just this dude, proly the most drunk dude ive ever seen
[16:32] <beatzz> tryin to buy beer.
[16:32] <raelaa> Necos: they made me curious :/
[16:32] <beatzz> cant even get off the quick-emart floor
[16:32] <Necos> you fail :)
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[16:33] <raelaa> several problems.. I am not a dude, I would not dress like that if I was, and I hold my alcohol better than that D:
[16:33] <snL20> beatzz: they wouldnt let him buy more beer here =)
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[16:33] <Necos> lol
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[16:34] <snL20> yeah, raelaa is a pro drunk! :)
[16:34] <beatzz> pssh, shes the girl at the bar that they keep givin drinks to cause she makes everyone laugh
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[16:35] <macavity> woha
[16:35] <beatzz> macavity,
[16:35] <beatzz> sup G
[16:35] <raelaa> snL20: not saying that, but one is not gonna have me stumbling :P
[16:35] <raelaa> also, I wouldn't be at the bar in the first place
[16:35] <snL20> raelaa: hehe
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[16:36] <beatzz> macavity, think of me in the happy land of the danes tomorrow
[16:36] <macavity> beatzz: i'm not a 'G' ;-)
[16:36] <Necos> lol
[16:36] <beatzz> pssh, your about as gangster as a Dane could be.
[16:36] <macavity> beatzz: oh, righ, you certification thingie :P
[16:36] <beatzz> ;)
[16:36] <raelaa> beatzz: you're
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[16:36] <snL20> beatzz: denmark is nice... =)
[16:36] <beatzz> happiest place in the world snL20
[16:36] <macavity> well.. i am of Viking descent, so i guess i have it in me ;-)
[16:36] <beatzz> vikings are hella gangster
[16:37] Action: snL20 is from Norway =)
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[16:37] <beatzz> rollin up to your shores like, "Yo this lands mine" slaughter time
[16:37] <macavity> snL20: hey bro :-)
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[16:37] <raelaa> my family is from finland, though I am not that cool
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[16:37] <snL20> macavity: hey! :^)
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[16:37] <beatzz> raelaa, all jokes aside, much <3
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[16:38] <beatzz> i dont want enemys, i like friends better.
[16:38] <beatzz> even if they "hate" me online because of my poor spellings.
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[16:38] <macavity> geez
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[16:39] <macavity> what packet faggot is having a lonely party tonight?!?
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[16:39] <raelaa> going home soon.. later, all
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[16:41] <snL20> damn, the special ed of dune is 190minutes!
[16:42] <beatzz> hmm, what is that? TV show?
[16:43] <macavity> beatzz: you never saw/read Dune?!?
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[16:43] <metrofox> hi there
[16:43] <Necos> damn, that's a long time
[16:43] <snL20> beatzz: movie
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[16:44] <_abc_> hello
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[16:45] <_abc_> what is a 'small' size for a current slackware system?
[16:45] <_abc_> i have trouble paring it down to under 700MB while keeping the compiler in (gcc + g++ only)
[16:45] <_abc_> is this normal?
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[16:46] <_abc_> 14 years ago i made a single 1.44MB floppy based linux (kernel + initrd on same floppy)!
[16:46] <_abc_> things have changed a 'little'
[16:46] <Pig_Pen> yeah, things _have_ changed a little
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[16:47] <mako-sama> yeah... most people don't have floppy drives anymore :P
[16:48] <Pig_Pen> i have one PC that still has a floopy drive, but i have not used it in several years, it is the next PC on my list to be retired
[16:48] <beatzz> Pig_Pen, when u retire it i will buy it off you
[16:48] <beatzz> if u sell it that is.
[16:48] <thumbs> I have a fdd in every machine I own.
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[16:49] <snL20> floppys are dead! yay!
[16:49] <Pig_Pen> when i retire it i will remove the motherboard and take it in the back yard to use as target practice and after i put some bullet holes in it i will bury it
[16:49] <Pig_Pen> the case and PSU and CD/DVD drives i will use when i build a new PC
[16:50] <snL20> Pig_Pen: lol... cd/dvd drives are cheap =)
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[16:51] <Pig_Pen> i like IDE/PATA CD/DVD drives, but i will use sata harddrives on my next PC
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[16:51] <Alan_Hicks> Pig_Pen: You know as soon as you do that, you'll need a floppy drive, right?
[16:51] <Pig_Pen> i hope not
[16:51] <snL20> Pig_Pen: baah, sata for everything if you ask me =)
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[16:52] <snL20> Alan_Hicks: what will you need the floppy for ?
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[16:52] <Pig_Pen> i will have three ide/pata harddrives i dont know what to do with, i guess i can open em up and get the magnets out, i think they have those strong rare earth magnets
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[16:53] <snL20> Pig_Pen: make ninja stars of the platters
[16:53] <snL20> =)
[16:53] <Alan_Hicks> Not IDE drives.
[16:53] <Alan_Hicks> Some of the old SCSI drives did though.
[16:54] <Alan_Hicks> Friend of mine pulled those apart, and placed two of the magnets on opposite sides of his forearm.
[16:54] <macavity> Alan_Hicks: why would he need a floppy drive if he has an all sata machine?!?
[16:54] <Pig_Pen> no magnets? darn! i guess they will make good targets too then, i need to use up some old .357 bullets since i just bought new ammo
[16:54] <snL20> Alan_Hicks: ouch
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[16:54] <Alan_Hicks> We couldn't get them apart.  He eventually slide them off, and we tugged hard enough that we seperated them, but it ripped off a bit of flesh.
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[16:54] <snL20> macavity: only thing I can think of is sata drivers for old windows
[16:54] <Necos> hahahahaha
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[16:55] <Alan_Hicks> snL20: Or SCSI/RAID controllers for Windows.
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[16:56] <snL20> Alan_Hicks: yeah
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[16:57] <snL20> Alan_Hicks: though new windows should be able to use usb right ?
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[16:58] <macavity> you guys are aware that you can just slipstream the XP iso with the drivers you need, right?
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[16:59] <macavity> xpisobuilder is a really nifty automated tool for that
[16:59] <vhann> Is there someone who knows how to tell what are the dependencies for xawtv on Slackware 13.0 ?
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[17:00] <snL20> macavity: heh ok... wouldnt matter to me though... I just use linux =)
[17:01] <snL20> vhann: rtfm ?
[17:01] <Alan_Hicks> vhann: ldd
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[17:01] <snL20> Alan_Hicks: oh right, ldd is handy =)
[17:01] <macavity> snL20: me too
[17:02] <Pig_Pen> xawtv? i have not used that in years, my TV card died :(
[17:02] <macavity> snL20: actually i havent had windows on any of my machines since windows2k-beta3
[17:03] <snL20> macavity: I have a copy of vista on a seperate hd on this new machine but I never use it =)
[17:03] <snL20> macavity: I used to be all about games....
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[17:05] <snL20> I really hate how you cant turn the volume up and down with the keyboard in audacious anymore
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[17:06] <vhann> snL20: Alan_Hicks: I want to actually build it (the README only talks about libjpeg which I have installed)
[17:06] <Alan_Hicks> vhann: Then build it.
[17:06] <snL20> vhann: go ahead and try
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[17:07] <vhann> snL20: Alan_Hicks That's what I am TRYING to do, but I get a make error
[17:07] <vhann> asm/page.h: no such file or something like that
[17:07] <vhann> Doesn't tell me much about what I lack
[17:07] <Alan_Hicks> Might want to ask the project's IRC channel, forums, or mailing list then.
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[17:07] <vhann> (from what I can tell, it's a kernel source file)
[17:08] <Alan_Hicks> Did you do a full install of Slackware?
[17:08] <vhann> Alan_Hicks: Yes
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[17:08] <Alan_Hicks> Then I don't know what's missing. See my above advice. :^)
[17:09] <macavity> there is no other "page.h" in slackware than the one okular defines
[17:09] <macavity> and that is not it for sure
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[17:10] <fredoslack> hello
[17:10] <fredoslack> who want see pictures
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[17:10] <fredoslack> of my job ?
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[17:10] <Alan_Hicks> fredoslack: Depends on what your job is. ;-)
[17:10] <fredoslack> Alan_Hicks,  ok
[17:10] <fredoslack> i give you my link
[17:10] <vhann> macavity: Yes there is, see /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/arch/*/include/asm/page.h
[17:10] <rg3> vhann: page.h is part of the kernel headers, but it's not included in the kernel-headers package
[17:10] <fredoslack> i've got a appareil photo
[17:11] <thumbs> a what?
[17:11] <fredoslack> Alan_Hicks,  i'm programmeur
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[17:11] <Alan_Hicks> Than I'm not interested.
[17:12] <Alan_Hicks> Had you been a porn star, then I would definitely want to see them.
[17:12] <fredoslack> lol
[17:12] <fredoslack> no, unfortunaly ^^
[17:12] <vhann> appareil photo is the French term for "camera"
[17:12] <fredoslack> yes sorry
[17:12] <fredoslack> thanks vhann
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[17:16] <vhann> test
[17:16] <vhann> Do you guys hear me?
[17:16] <macavity> vhann: if that thing requires internal header files, as opposed to those exported in /usr/include/linux/, then you can pretty much rely on it breaking if you upgrade your kernel
[17:16] <macavity> vhann: huston we hear you loud and clear, over
[17:16] <Scuzz> lol
[17:17] <vhann> macavity: Thanks, I thought I was being disconnected (google.ca doesn't respond O_o)
[17:17] <macavity> vhann: there seems to be turmoil in the intartubes right now.. sporatic packageloss may occur
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[17:18] <vhann> packetloss you mean ;)
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[17:21] <pthreat-o> hi
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[17:23] <macavity> hello pthreat-o
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[17:24] <macavity> vhann: right.. english is a funny language to me :P
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[17:25] <pthreat-o> http://pastebin.com/m6c55ad59
[17:26] <pthreat-o> help welcome
[17:26] <pthreat-o> :)
[17:26] <mako-sama> pthreat-o: corrupted filesystem?
[17:27] <pthreat-o> mako-sama: I can mount it in windows just fine
[17:27] <mako-sama> pthreat-o: try it again with '-t vfat'
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[17:27] <pthreat-o> It has been mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/hd
[17:27] <pthreat-o> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,
[17:27] <pthreat-o> It has been recently formated
[17:27] <pthreat-o> and it works ok
[17:28] <mako-sama> what does dmesg|tail say?
[17:28] <macavity> one thing is sure, sg* is *not* it
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[17:28] <pthreat-o> http://pastebin.com/mc5ddc64
[17:28] <pthreat-o> mako-sama: just tried
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[17:29] <pthreat-o> mean macavity
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[17:29] <macavity> pthreat-o: we need a little more than that, dmesg | tail -n30
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[17:29] <pthreat-o> ok
[17:30] <macavity> i would like to see where the kernel detects the device
[17:30] <paul424> can someone with standard kde 4.3.3 check whether  this command is avalaible: nepomukcmd  ?
[17:30] <Necos> hmmm, so much for installing evolution lol
[17:30] <cteg> the mutt setting to include cc: in a reply, anyone?
[17:30] <pthreat-o> Can I clean the dmesg buffer =
[17:30] <paul424> btw: does anyone new how to remove Nepomuk or how to clear its indexing data ?
[17:30] <pthreat-o> is there a way for me to do that ?
[17:30] <macavity> paul424: i dont have it here
[17:31] <macavity> pthreat-o: it just appends
[17:31] <macavity> pthreat-o: so if you yank the stick out and put it back in again, it will be the last in the log
[17:31] <pthreat-o> yeah but i have lots and lots of debugging output
[17:32] <pthreat-o> I just rmmos usb-storage and modprobe that again
[17:32] <macavity> dmesg | tail -n50?
[17:33] <macavity> dmesg -c
[17:33] <macavity> that clears it
[17:33] <pthreat-o> You want to see where the device gets detected ?
[17:33] <pthreat-o> I just did that it trespasses the buffer
[17:33] <macavity> yes
[17:33] <pthreat-o> I cant see where it gets detectec
[17:33] <pthreat-o> detected
[17:33] <macavity> just take it out and stick it back in again
[17:34] <macavity> then you get a fresh detection appended
[17:35] <pthreat-o> got it one sec
[17:35] <pthreat-o> http://pastebin.com/m7031a639
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[17:38] <vhann> macavity: Do you know what is xawtv's irc channel? I can't find it either on their website or on Google :S
[17:38] <pthreat-o> vhann: try tvtime
[17:38] <pthreat-o> It has worked for me
[17:38] <pthreat-o> xawtv hasn't
[17:39] <pthreat-o> macavity: any ideas ?
[17:39] <Pig_Pen> i think mplayer can do TV, i never used it that way but i seen some refrences to it in both the ./configure --help options and in mplayer's gui menu
[17:40] <Scuzz> mplayer does have dvb options
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[17:42] <macavity> pthreat-o: could you check with fdisk -l if the kernel even reconizes the partitions?
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[17:44] <pthreat-o> sure
[17:44] <pthreat-o> macavity: http://pastebin.com/meab8b83
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[17:45] <macavity> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /media/hd/?
[17:46] <Pig_Pen> pthreat-o: have you modprobed the vfat kernel module?
[17:46] <macavity> pthreat-o: no need to
[17:46] <macavity> eek
[17:47] <macavity> Pig_Pen: no need to, and yes it is loaded, he showed me that in the first paste
[17:47] <pthreat-o> yes
[17:47] <pthreat-o> one sec
[17:47] <pthreat-o> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,
[17:49] <macavity> is there anything terribly important on that?
[17:49] <pthreat-o> what ?
[17:49] <macavity> on the kingston.. is there anything on it you care about?
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[17:49] <pthreat-o> oh, on the pendrive?
[17:49] <pthreat-o> yeah there is
[17:49] <macavity> it looks hosed to me
[17:50] <pthreat-o> well, I can mount just fine on my debian box
[17:50] <pthreat-o> also in my linux vox
[17:50] <pthreat-o> box*
[17:50] Action: macavity scratches head
[17:50] <mancha> what fs is on the pendrive?
[17:50] <pthreat-o> vfat
[17:50] <macavity> your "linux box"?
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[17:51] <pthreat-o> windows
[17:51] <pthreat-o> sorry lol
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[17:51] <mancha> i assume you've already tried -t fat?
[17:51] <pthreat-o> I did
[17:51] <pthreat-o> modprobe vfat mount -t vfat
[17:51] <pthreat-o> etc
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[17:53] <macavity> pthreat-o: is that your own kernel?
[17:53] <pthreat-o> # NOTE: USB_STORAGE depends on SCSI but BLK_DEV_SD may
[17:53] <pthreat-o> yes
[17:53] <pthreat-o> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
[17:54] <macavity> did you touch the partition type support settings at all?
[17:54] <pthreat-o> let me check
[17:54] <pthreat-o>                                           [*]   PC BIOS (MSDOS partition tables) support                                                                
[17:54] <mancha> if it is calling it sd* then it requires the scsi emulation stuff
[17:54] <pthreat-o> woops sorry
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[17:55] <macavity> i'm out of ideas
[17:55] <pthreat-o> :\
[17:55] <macavity> except i think you should try and boot huge-smp and see if it works with a Pat V blessed kernel
[17:55] <pthreat-o> It does
[17:55] <macavity> if it does, you know you suck at compiling kernels :P
[17:55] <macavity> what?
[17:55] <Scuzz> lol
[17:55] <macavity> why the F*** didn't you say that right off the bat?!?
[17:55] <pthreat-o> It does work on Pat's kernel
[17:56] <mako-sama> .....
[17:56] <macavity> pthreat-o: "hello, i need support on compiling a kernel so it works with USB memory sticks, kkthx"
[17:56] <pthreat-o> hello, i need support on compiling a kernel so it works with USB memory sticks, kkthx :D
[17:57] <macavity> pthreat-o: take /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp and use it as a template
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[17:57] <macavity> only remove stuff you are SURE about
[17:57] <andarius> some newer drivers use the root dev. I have one that mounts as /dev/sdd
[17:58] <macavity> and dont forget to alter CONFIG_LOCALVERSION
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[17:58] <macavity> andarius: ive seen that too
[17:58] <macavity> andarius: the first thing i do is make a proper partition table on them :P
[17:58] <andarius> if "fdisk -l" pukes try mounting the root dev
[17:59] <andarius> I see no reason to screw with them considering they work as is :P
[17:59] <macavity> andarius: well.. in this case it's a PEBCAK on kernel compiles
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[17:59] <macavity> andarius: lots of older stuff (like routers with USB support, cameras etc) go cross eyed over them
[18:00] <andarius> ahh, OK. I came in late so was throwing in awild 1/2 cent ;)
[18:00] <pthreat-o> http://pastebin.com/m37876995
[18:00] <andarius> macavity: then upgrade yer old crap :P
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[18:00] <mancha> just as an fyi, it would have been a lot better to say from the start that it works with pat's kernel and doesn't on your home-grown. that would save people the trouble of thinking about vfat modules, broken media, etc.
[18:00] <macavity> pthreat-o: it's going to cost you $40/h to have me read over your .config :P
[18:01] <mancha> basically, a bit of common sense and a bit of common courtesy
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[18:03] <pthreat-o> I_I!
[18:03] <pthreat-o> What was that ?
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[18:03] <macavity> pthreat-o: some packet faggot is hard at work
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[18:03] <pthreat-o> macavity: Would you please kind sir read my kernel config?
[18:03] <macavity> pthreat-o: probably someone who got banned for being an ass :P
[18:04] <macavity> pthreat-o: honnestly i dont know what to look for
[18:04] <pthreat-o> # SCSI Support (CONFIG_SCSI)
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[18:04] <pthreat-o> # SCSI disk support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD)
[18:04] <pthreat-o> macavity: Would you please kind sir read my kernel config?
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[18:04] <pthreat-o> sorry
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[18:04] <macavity> pthreat-o: i always use Pat's .config as a template.. and only change the stuff i am sure about
[18:04] <pthreat-o> sorry about that
[18:04] <macavity> np
[18:04] <macavity> we are lagging a little, so dont type to many lines in a row :P
[18:04] <pthreat-o> heh ok!
[18:05] <pthreat-o> my kernel works like wonders, is only lacking the USB mass storage support :<
[18:05] <pthreat-o> I'm really happy with it
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[18:05] <macavity> ok, then you better get menuconfig going and add some stuff
[18:05] <pthreat-o> That's why I'm asking
[18:05] <pthreat-o> http://vic.gedris.org/linux-UsbMassStorage/
[18:05] <macavity> better add a little too much than too little.. especially if it can be compiled as a module anyway
[18:06] <pthreat-o> I have everything there I'd believe
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[18:06] <pthreat-o> My machine is AMD based so It's OHCI
[18:06] <pthreat-o> I have USB_DEVICEFS aswell
[18:06] <macavity> pthreat-o: that is *insanely* outdated
[18:06] <mancha> do you have the relevant CONFIG_USB_STORAGE* ?
[18:07] <macavity> Last updated: 2003/05/22 18:26:14.
[18:07] <pthreat-o> mancha: yes ser
[18:07] <pthreat-o> sir* http://pastebin.com/m37876995
[18:07] <pthreat-o> mancha: Look out for #
[18:07] <pthreat-o> # Miscellaneous USB options
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[18:08] <macavity> pthreat-o: you can grep /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp for USB options
[18:08] <pthreat-o> macavity: I'll do that
[18:08] <macavity> pthreat-o: and compare to your own
[18:08] <pthreat-o> that's a great idea
[18:08] <mancha> i don't see them set
[18:09] <pthreat-o> Line 1788
[18:09] <mancha> reading is hard
[18:09] <pthreat-o> 1817 1818
[18:11] <macavity> you have BLK_DEV_SD=y
[18:11] <pthreat-o> yes
[18:12] <pthreat-o> Should I set that as a module
[18:13] <pthreat-o> It tells me not to
[18:13] <ccfreak2k> Does gcc have its own copy of libstdc++.so.5?
[18:13] <pthreat-o> So, should I put the usb-storage functionality IN the kernel ?
[18:13] <macavity> what is CONFIG_SCSI_DH
[18:13] <paul424> hey could someone reference me some materials how do I deal with installing  the same software, but with diffrent versions.
[18:14] <pthreat-o> let me check that's in scsi transports right ?
[18:14] <pthreat-o> macavity: Fiber channel, Parallel, SAS, SRP
[18:14] <macavity> CONFIG_ATA_ACPI <- why dont you want this?
[18:14] <macavity> pthreat-o: ok, thanks
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[18:15] <pthreat-o> Oh, I dont use anything ACPI related since it was fucking around with my wireless card (which *sucks*) So i just took it all away
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[18:15] <macavity> lol
[18:15] <pthreat-o> I know I know it's a disk but I needed to get my wireless working
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[18:15] <macavity> no wonder stuff doesnt work
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[18:15] <pthreat-o> why ?!
[18:16] <pthreat-o> :S
[18:16] <bleargghhhh> hello
[18:16] <macavity> ACPI == Advanced Configuration Power Interface
[18:16] <pthreat-o> yeah
[18:16] <macavity> or configurable iirc
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[18:16] <pthreat-o> I dont need any power saving features :/
[18:16] <Pig_Pen> acpi or none wont interfear with mounting disks
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[18:17] <ccfreak2k> Advanced Configuraton and Power Interface
[18:17] <macavity> i wouldnt be so sure as to trust the devs to have tested the USB subsystem much without ACPI
[18:18] <macavity> pthreat-o: and ACPI is not just about power saving
[18:18] <pthreat-o> No offense, but I think they're smart enough to separate device/acpi layers, also, there's a suspend/resume option for USB devices aswell
[18:18] <macavity> pthreat-o: the kernel reads alot about hardware configuration out of the BIOS ACPI table
[18:18] <macavity> again, ACPI is *not* only about power
[18:18] <macavity> it is also about configuration
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[18:19] <pthreat-o> Oh, I'm sorry I did left ACPI enabled
[18:19] <macavity> but anyhow.. i'm not a hundred percent sure this is the cause
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[18:23] <mohaa> n8
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[18:25] <pthreat-o> night mohaa
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[18:30] <v4nelle> guys which is the best way to keep --current up-to-date with slackpkg?install-new,upgrade-all and clean-system?
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[18:30] <Pig_Pen> clean-system will wipe out any custom packages you've had installed
[18:31] <pthreat-o> v4nelle: I just know milly vanilli was a fake!
[18:31] <pthreat-o> joking
[18:32] <Scuzz> v4nelle: slackpkg --update  then slackpkg --upgrade-all
[18:32] <v4nelle> and about new packages,and removed?
[18:32] <pthreat-o> Does anyone knows howto find something that is *not* of a certain extension ?
[18:33] <pthreat-o> something like find ./ -name NOT "*.ko";
[18:34] <Scuzz> new packages installpkg
[18:34] <v6CommO> just checking out slackpkg now, but every time I try and run "slackpk update", it spits at me w/ no mirror selected
[18:34] <v6CommO> even though I have one uncommented
[18:34] <Scuzz> edit /etc/slackpkg and select a mirror
[18:34] <Scuzz> oh
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[18:35] <Scuzz> are you running slackpkg update
[18:35] <Necos> can't you do that with slocate? the negation
[18:35] <pthreat-o> Can I jsut install a subset of modules instead of just making make modules install ?
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[18:36] <v6CommO> yes, but it tell me "You do not have any mirror selected in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors"
[18:36] <Scuzz> what version are you running ?
[18:36] <pthreat-o> because that wipes my entire modules folder and I have the nvidia propieary driver there
[18:37] <Necos> there's a utility for that pthreat-o
[18:37] <Scuzz> 64 current ?
[18:37] <Necos> to back up your nvidia driver
[18:37] <Necos> nvswitch or somesuch
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[18:38] <Necos> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-driver/
[18:39] <Scuzz> hes gone
[18:39] <Necos> oh poop
[18:39] <Necos> lol
[18:41] <Necos> i was close tho... it's nvidia-switch
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[18:43] <v6CommO> leading space in front of mirror needed to be deleted
[18:43] <ChickenLittle> s/stabbing/jabbing
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[18:53] <vhann> Man, wxcam is awesome
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[18:57] <Necos> hmmm, anyone using gtk 2.16?
[18:58] <Akuma> hi, is there an app that would allow me to monitor than bandwith usage from multiple nics
[18:58] <Akuma> s/than/the
[18:58] Action: NaCl hadokens Akuma 
[18:59] <NaCl> Akuma: you may want to try conky
[18:59] <Necos> hahahaha
[18:59] Action: Akuma dodges
[18:59] <mancha> Akuma, iptraf
[18:59] <Necos> conky is more fun :P
[19:00] <Akuma> will it allow me to know how much has been transfered in a certain period of time for a specific set of adapter
[19:00] <Akuma> ie. I have 3 subnets
[19:00] <NaCl> Necos: I have it in a VM that I haven't updated for a while.
[19:00] <Necos> it will give you stats per adapter
[19:00] <NaCl> i think.
[19:01] <Akuma> one that goes to the net and the two others for which I want to monitor the usage
[19:01] <NaCl> btw, for those interested in chrome, extensions were activated in the dev builds today.
[19:02] <NaCl> so you can now grab you adblock and flashblock
[19:02] <Necos> fun
[19:02] <mancha> chrome or chromium?
[19:02] <NaCl> either
[19:02] <NaCl> Well...
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[19:02] <Lymphocyte> I am a lymphocyte and i can adapt to anything
[19:02] <NaCl> I use a self-compiled chromium build
[19:02] <Necos> well, i'm looking to build evolution, and it looks like it requires gtk 2.16
[19:03] <NaCl> Necos: you'll need to get a new glib and maybe cairo and pango
[19:03] <Lymphocyte> I am a lymphocyte and i can adapt to anything
[19:04] <NaCl> Necos: s/new/newer
[19:04] <mancha> why'd you go with that over chrome?
[19:04] <Necos> was using gsb for 2.26 gnome
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[19:04] <Lymphocyte> How sexy is my ride?
[19:04] <Lymphocyte> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEO2eRw4y5Y
[19:04] <NaCl> mancha: bleeding edge, and no rlz
[19:05] <mancha> rlz?
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[19:06] <Necos> lol fire|bird :P
[19:06] <NaCl> mancha: some unique identifier saying where you got chrome from and when it was installed, non-identifying, according to google.
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[19:07] <Necos> that doesn't sound very reassuring
[19:07] <NaCl> http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=107684
[19:07] <mancha> aha, yeah don't want that. iirc you had to use google's own svn client (gclient maybe?)
[19:08] <Lymphocyte> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEO2eRw4y5Y
[19:08] <NaCl> mancha: yeah.
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[19:08] <mancha> for chromium dls
[19:08] <NaCl> mancha: IIRC, it just calls svn and runs a bunch of buildsystem hooks
[19:08] <mancha> i wish that had a daily tarball snapshot instead
[19:08] <Necos> that's interesting
[19:08] <NaCl> The source code is huge.
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[19:08] <NaCl> Like a 700 MB tgz
[19:09] <NaCl> I'll bbl
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[19:09] <Necos> geez, that's a lot of source
[19:09] <mancha> 700mb is nuts wtf
[19:10] <Necos> that's more than the damn kernel :P
[19:10] <mancha> more than a lot of live cd distros!
[19:11] <Necos> that must mean that chrome is sentient :P
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[19:12] <Necos> looks like you can disable the IID, but not RLZ
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[19:16] <mancha> well i am not keen on 700mb of source code, to be honest
[19:17] <Necos> lol
[19:17] <Necos> neither am i
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[19:24] <Necos> i'm gonna have to build this damn thing in pieces lol
[19:26] <mancha> 100 megs a day and you'd be done a week from saturday  :>
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[19:27] <Necos> sounds like wimpy :P
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[19:28] <Necos> i'll pay you on tuesday for a tarball today...
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[19:30] <Necos> i wonder if wimpy would use slackware
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[19:33] <Necos> popeye would just punch the damn computer... >.>
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[19:44] <Pig_Pen> wimpy seems like a lazy ubuntu user, popeye - now there is a slacker if i ever seen one = mellow and laid back most of the time but can open up a can of whoopass when needed
[19:45] <Scuzz> wimpy in action -->
[19:45] <Scuzz> http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=24378738
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[19:49] <mancha> my money'd be on wimpy in a burger eating stand-off though
[19:49] <Pig_Pen> lol!
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[19:54] <NaCl> Necos: the source code contains more than just chrome, it also has that nacl thingie in it.
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[19:55] <NaCl> And the build system, which is different from most build systems
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[20:17] <antiwire> =<
[20:17] <ChickenLittle> =>
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[20:20] <edman007> <=>
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[20:20] <mac-> in which slackware package I can find libnss3.so file ?
[20:20] <antiwire> grep libnss3.so /var/log/packages/*
[20:21] <antiwire> or zgrep the MANIFEST
[20:21] <antiwire> I mean bzgrep
[20:21] <Pig_Pen> possibly seamonkey solibs
[20:22] <mac-> /usr/local/share/firefox35/libnss3.so
[20:22] <mac-> hm
[20:22] <mac-> interesting
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[20:25] <thrice`> failure
[20:27] <mac-> what failure ?
[20:28] <thrice`> if someone's package put files in your /usr/local/share/firefox35
[20:28] <mac-> why
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[20:29] <thrice`> actually, i'm not in the mood :>
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[20:29] <Pig_Pen>  /usr/local is ok if you rolled your own and put it there
[20:29] <thrice`> I would not expect configure scripts to pick up a shared library in "/usr/local/share/firefox35"
[20:30] <Pig_Pen> you would have to point it to look in there
[20:31] <Pig_Pen> just install seamonkey-solibs mac-
[20:32] <Pig_Pen> its a small package, wont hurt anything and will satisfy that libnss3.so dependency
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[20:35] <NaCl> mac-: are you building chrome?
[20:35] <paul424> hey does anyone owns the bugg account for adobe flash product ... ? Please I want to send thhis annyoing bug which makes the /dev/audio busy after using the flash a bit ...
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[20:36] <mac-> NaCl: nope, I`m trying convert rpm packages to tgz
[20:36] <NaCl> mac-: ok.  just curious.
[20:36] <mac-> but got problem, now it success but all created tgz packages got 144 bytes size :/
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[20:40] <Pig_Pen> something is missing, you have rpm2tgz, what about rpm?
[20:40] <mac-> got it
[20:41] <Pig_Pen> rpm2tgz ./*rpm
[20:43] <mac-> solved, missed cpio
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[20:48] <Pig_Pen> keep using slackware, sooner or later you will figure out what you can leave out, cpio is not one of them
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[20:52] <mac-> in the past on desktop got same problem
[20:53] <mac-> but cannot remember source of it
[20:53] <mac-> :P
[20:53] <mac-> now
[20:59] <macavity> i have been down that road
[20:59] <mac-> what do you mean ?
[20:59] <macavity> and after 10+ years of slacking i have come to the conclution that full installs is the way to go :P
[21:00] <macavity> if you want to do minimal installs, get a Ph. D. or something that will handle the dependencies for you
[21:00] <mac-> yeah, right
[21:00] <macavity> and the fun thing is that once you get something that handles the dependencies for you, you end up with an install that is about the same size as slackware :P
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[21:00] <mac-> but in that way I can quickly learn much about  the system :P
[21:01] <Pig_Pen> take notes before you start an install, dependency trees, then you can get a good idea of what you can leave out and when you do need to install something all you need to look at is your notes and trace it down
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[21:40] Nick change: akber -> init[1]
[21:41] <paul424> macavity: by full install you mean the slackware repoistory right ?
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[21:42] <Mrselfpwn> updated kernel in -current
[21:43] <paul424> Pig_Pen: you mean like building huge tree with the root of your package and then detaching to the lower levels each time checking what packages you have installed, right ?
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[21:43] <Mrselfpwn> same version just release 3
[21:46] <paul424> Pig_Pen: ?>>?>
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[21:50] Action: Nithael_du_Lac just dig deep in his past an found out that He missed IRC... -.-
[21:53] <paul424> everyone ignores me
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[22:00] <jeev> eh
[22:00] <jeev> how
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[22:09] <mag0o> hahah, i read Nithael_du_Lac as he dug deep in his pants
[22:09] <mag0o> one too many beers for me
[22:10] <Nithael_du_Lac> share - i'm on need of one for myself... -.-
[22:10] <Nithael_du_Lac> BEER - you dirty sick ....
[22:10] <Nithael_du_Lac> ;-)
[22:10] Action: mag0o dcc's Nithael_du_Lac a cold one
[22:11] <paul424> mag0o: can't you just send him a little by those little tubes which make the internet ?
[22:11] <mag0o> of course!
[22:11] <Nithael_du_Lac> Beer-time-space-warp ... WHY google dont WASTE time-work in some REALLY usefull?!?!?!
[22:12] <paul424> Nithael_du_Lac: actualy you can do that, but you need a kernel patch for that. A special one.
[22:13] <Nithael_du_Lac> *.nerd jokes mode on.*
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[22:13] <Nithael_du_Lac> lol
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[22:14] <neonflux> anybody using libusb 1.0?
[22:14] <Nithael_du_Lac> I'ved gotta a lot of friends here at slack in freenode in the past.. from BRasil... RTL ... HIGHTWAY .. MAsterOfMuppets... anyone still "work" that channel?
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[22:21] <Pig_Pen> neon, i just use whatever pat uses in slack, i figure if it aint broken dont fix it
[22:21] <agentc0re> antiwire: so i tested out different raid stripe sizes today and 32k at first would give miss leading results.  show buffered read at 180MB/s then after so long(20min maybe) it'd drop to 110MB/s.  weird eh?  64k ended up being the best.
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[22:22] <agentc0re> antiwire: i also looked up upgrading the cache size.  right now it's a 256MB stick of pc2 3200r-333 ram, i found some 512mb that will work in there.  hopefully i'll see an improvement.
[22:22] <gar0t0> helllo everyone
[22:22] <gar0t0> how about you ?
[22:22] <gar0t0> Alan_Hicks: are you here?
[22:23] <Dominian> he's been idle for approximately 5 hours
[22:23] <gar0t0> hehe
[22:23] <gar0t0> ok
[22:23] <gar0t0> Dominian: I only need to talk in english :)
[22:23] <gar0t0> and Alan_Hicks understand my poor english :D
[22:23] <paul424> Nithael_du_Lac: actually nothing I just tried to engage in conversation, but they ignored me.
[22:23] <gar0t0> BP{k}: no ?
[22:24] <Dominian> paul424: I missed it..?
[22:24] Action: Dominian just technically got here
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[22:27] <gar0t0> I need to go
[22:27] <gar0t0> see you all :)
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[22:31] <Pig_Pen> i am not really here, i am just metaphorically here
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[22:39] <mercfate> hi
[22:40] <mercfate> anyone installed playonlinux on slack 13 x86?
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[22:43] <endersending> IM HOME!
[22:43] <thrice`> THANK GOD
[22:43] <endersending> this must be where all the slackers are ;)
[22:43] <Pig_Pen> playonlinux's website does not seem to provide any source code, other than a generic binary all they have is precompiled binaries made for a few distros?
[22:43] <endersending> happen to be any hot girls in here, in their 20's, and knows asm?
[22:43] <endersending> if there is ... i love you
[22:43] <thrice`> you're boring
[22:44] <mag0o> damnit, i read asm as atm - i quit reading now
[22:44] <endersending> anyone in here messed with xdmcp?
[22:44] <endersending> im trying to remote into my slack box, and its not working,
[22:45] <endersending> i can run xinit on another linux box, and and ssh, startkde
[22:45] <endersending> but i can get in from Xming
[22:45] <endersending> i cant get in from Xming*
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[22:49] <mercfate> Xming is like vnc?
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[22:52] <endersending> yea
[22:52] <endersending> xming is actually an X11 server for windows
[22:52] <endersending> xming + putty = remote X apps
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[22:53] <endersending> like right now, im running xchat from slackware on windowsXP
[22:53] <endersending> \id rather remote the whole KDE session, instead of one app at a time
[22:54] <mercfate> =]
[22:54] <mercfate> cool
[22:57] <endersending> i hate windows but i need IE for testing
[22:58] <mag0o> virtualbox
[23:03] <mercfate> i dont hate windows
[23:03] <mercfate> im only tired for win
[23:03] <mercfate> virus, freezes
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[23:04] <mercfate> overload
[23:08] <Mrselfpwn> every OS sux.  I just choose the least worst.
[23:08] <Nithael_du_Lac>  Mrselffpwn:  - lmao -
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[23:09] <Mrselfpwn> I have never seen that guy before.
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[23:11] <mercfate> no
[23:11] <mercfate> linux dont sux
[23:11] <mercfate> i like to use
[23:12] <mercfate> im always searching and learning something
[23:12] <syn2fin> How can I bind my windows key (Super-L) to start an xterm?  I'm using the default KDE and none of my binds seem to work through the configuration tool.
[23:12] <Mrselfpwn> no linux don't suck.  linux is could have been awesome
[23:12] <Mrselfpwn> I mean to say windows could have been awesome.
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[23:13] <mercfate> im compiling wxpython with slackbuild
[23:13] <mercfate> =]
[23:13] <mercfate> finished
[23:14] <ChickenLittle> why?  i think rworkman or alienbob have it
[23:14] <mercfate> pprkut
[23:14] <Mrselfpwn> I own a i686 i compile most my own packages also.
[23:14] Action: ChickenLittle rolls his eyes
[23:14] <mercfate> me too
[23:15] <Mrselfpwn> that's why we like z slackware.  we aren't forced into anything.
[23:15] <mercfate> right
[23:16] <ChickenLittle> and Slackware doesn't promise us anything it can't deliver either
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[23:16] <mercfate> =]
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[23:30] <mercfate> playonlinux works fine :)
[23:32] <hitest> playonlinux?
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[23:33] <agentc0re> did you guys see that story on /. about Malware on gnome-look in a .deb file?
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[23:34] <ChickenLittle> linky?
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[23:34] <siimo> where do i get latest pidgin
[23:34] <straterra> from google
[23:34] <straterra> gogogo
[23:35] <agentc0re> http://bit.ly/6BFiZg
[23:35] <siimo> was looking for slackware pkg
[23:35] <straterra> modify the slackbuild for the latest version
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[23:37] <agentc0re> so my thought on that malware is that, if it was something that needed to be built from source it wouldn't have been as likely to have spread so easily and would have been caught quicker.
[23:38] <pragma_> I disagree!
[23:38] <fire|bird> y0 agentc0re
[23:38] <agentc0re> VERSION=NEW.VERSION ./pidgin.SlackBuild
[23:38] <agentc0re> fire|bird: sup dude?
[23:38] <mancha> certainly opening up the source makes it more auditable, the question is how many people take the time to audit the source they compile...do you?
[23:39] <fire|bird> agentc0re: not much, ssdd :P you?
[23:39] <siimo> ok
[23:39] <siimo> do i need md5sum too
[23:42] <agentc0re> mancha: very true.  But my thought on a SBo is that it will always contain certain files.  Ocasionally you will find additional files in there(very rare) like a patch or something of the likes.  I usually will take a look and investigate at that point.  I don't know how to create anysort of rootkit but i'm sure it would involve more than just a paragraph of bash script code(i could be very wrong).
[23:43] <siimo> nice, i noticed when copiling Pidgin, it is using all my CPU cores :) didnt know this was happening
[23:43] <mercfate> hitest, yes :D
[23:44] <agentc0re> mancha: if the source is tainted then there's nothing we can do.. except not use it or fix it.  but to my understanding the malware wasn't part of this source it was added on top of that screen saver.
[23:44] <mercfate> hitest, look in google for playonlinux project
[23:44] <mancha> agent, but the malware was in the actual package in this case, it wasn't some script that added it to upstream source
[23:44] <mancha> so the sbo script would link to the malware-infested bad.tar.gz and configure, make, make install it
[23:45] <siimo> is this a GCC thing?
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[23:45] <agentc0re> mancha: that's because they added it in there though.  Lets say it was made like a SBo, you'd have to download the source directly from the maker.  you'd have a script that you could look at to make sure it's not downloading anything else and adding it to the package.
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[23:46] <agentc0re> mancha: but beyond that, if the source is jacked then you just don't use it.  the malware was part of the package, not the source(to my understanding).
[23:46] <mancha> agent, oh, my understanding was the maker put the malware in...i didn't realize it was added to the source by some other party
[23:46] <agentc0re> mancha: Ah... hrmm.  maybe it was and i misunderstood.  I thought that it was added on top of what was being advertised.
[23:48] <mancha> do you have a link to the tainted deb, we could do quick forensics on it
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[23:49] <mancha> agentc0re that said, i agree entirely with you, having to-compile source is infinitely better than pre-packaged stuff
[23:50] <mancha> unless said stuff is from reputable outfit, say mozilla...
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[23:51] <agentc0re> mancha: agreed.. I also reread the articles and looks like there was no screensaver after the install anyways...  which is even worse that it lasted that long... hello, #1 clue of wtf'ery.
[23:52] <mercfate> ola
[23:52] <mercfate> bye
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[23:53] <init[1]> i don't no it this is a bug in pkgtool, i was just trying to remove sinhala_lklug-font-ttf using it,but says No packages removed! can any one verify it !
[23:53] <init[1]> s/it/if/
[23:54] <init[1]> same is the case with tibmachuni-font-ttf
[23:55] <notKlaatu> removes fine for me init[1]
[23:55] <notKlaatu> you doing this as root?
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[23:55] <init[1]> notKlaatu: well ,i did it as sudoer
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[23:56] <notKlaatu> init[1]: i don't use sudo so i can't test that
[23:57] <init[1]> notKlaatu: does it have to do any thing with sudoers ? i think so,
[23:57] <notKlaatu> i don't see why it would but i guess it's possible
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[23:59] <alpha_> hi
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