[00:07] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:07] hello [00:07] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [00:08] expl0it (~loch@58.47.111.167) joined ##slackware. [00:09] grump_old_man (~grump_old@cpe-72-231-251-93.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:10] grump_old_man (~grump_old@cpe-72-231-251-93.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Hello [00:14] hello [00:15] fire|bird: hello [00:15] hi NaCl, how are you? [00:16] same as always, you? [00:16] I'm great, thanks, so same as always here too :) [00:17] tuvok302Lappy (vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-78.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Tried KDE 4.4 yet? [00:18] NaCl: On my openSUSE drives I have, yeah. I've used 4.4 from alpha to now final which I upgraded to tonight. I'm working on getting upgraded in my Slack VM and my Slack drive in this desktop too. [00:18] have you? [00:19] Using it right now. [00:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] It works well, aside from some self-induced hiccups in not updating stuff. [00:19] Anyone know if KDE 4.4 is coming to --current ? [00:19] Probably. [00:20] NaCl: Yeah, it's been a very stable, solid version, even during the rc's etc. [00:20] YOu can do everythnig in KDE 4.4 except for installing fonts and changing the time. [00:20] WHich require polkit [00:21] grump_old_man: Also, alienBOB has packages for 32bit and 64bit that were built against -current. http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/its-been-released-kde-sc-4-4-0/ [00:21] grump_old_man: I am using them right now [00:22] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] heya Rat409 [00:23] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:23] hey fire|bird ,wondered what happened to you :) [00:23] lol [00:23] too busy compiling,i take it [00:24] fire|bird is on the bleeding|edge [00:24] haha [00:24] indeed he is :) [00:25] Rat409: How's it going? [00:25] If I feel crazy enough I could dare try to get polkit up here and get everything working... [00:25] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:25] hiya [00:25] fire|bird: openbox 3.4.11 is final,i pulled git yesterday tho branded 3.5rc2 iirc [00:26] Rat409: nice, any blockbuster new stuff? [00:26] fire|bird: good thanks,yurself? [00:26] I'm great, thank you. :) [00:26] didn't notice anything really,probly code cleanup [00:27] NaCl, no net yet. I saw alien's blog that he has packages for it. I'm thinking of putting them on my boxen, but if they're gonna hit --current soon, well then I might as well wait. [00:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:28] grump_old_man: FWIW, "soon" is "in the near (undetermined) future" [00:29] NaCl, on Slackware? [00:29] Yes. [00:30] Changes are made to Slackware when they are ready. [00:31] hmn. [00:31] fire|bird, yup I had seen that, [00:31] NaCl, do you see any loss of functionality with respect to power management, like sleep/hibernate due to there being no policykit in Slack? [00:31] knightsilver (knightsil@ip68-0-87-155.tu.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [00:31] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@207.81.93.133) joined ##slackware. [00:32] grump_old_man: nope, it all works fine for what I do. [00:32] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:38] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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Slackware is not ready to have polkit (it requires PAM) [04:17] Action: Camarade_Tux ponders upgrading his system (which includes a glibc change) from inside X, while keeping everything opened and without rebooting immediately [04:17] alienBOB: i see thanks ;) for the info [04:20] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:21] what a shitty start of the day [04:22] one of our database servers ran out of memory and just barfed on us [04:22] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [04:23] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:25] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.145) joined ##slackware. [04:28] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:29] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:33] grazymax (~grazymax@host9-207-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[04:55] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:56] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.145) joined ##slackware. [04:57] gbowden (~gbowden@162.Red-83-37-237.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:06] Camarade_Tux: feeling adventurous today, hah? ;) [05:14] pprkut: with flash and javascript disabled, firefox hasn't crashed in a pretty long time, I have to correct that ;-) [05:14] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:14] and it'd be more suicidal than adventurous ;p [05:15] QC_OK (~QC_OK@c211-30-168-85.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:15] So slack is the most stable distro? [05:15] That's what I read on one site [05:17] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:18] QC_OK: matter of opinion, afaik, but yeah, i consider it stable [05:20] Camarade_Tux: haha. I barely use firefox. It only crashed on me when I decided to update to firebug 1.5 [05:20] wouldn't work well with the kwallet plugin [05:21] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.38.20) joined ##slackware. [05:21] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:21] pprkut: still need to spend more time on my own browser [05:22] hehe [05:22] QC_OK (~QC_OK@c211-30-168-85.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:22] Camarade_Tux: i'd love to see what you come up with [05:22] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [05:22] right now I'm trying to put xz/liblzma compression inside libpng and after that I need to start working more on slackbuilds for mingw-w64 [05:22] nyRednek: =) [05:23] for the record, I think there has been almost no evolution in browsers for 20 years, seems like noone ever tried =) [05:23] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Camarade_Tux: what do you mean? [05:24] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [05:24] in what sense ... evolution? [05:24] Camarade_Tux: for the record, i'm thinking of disengaging from the computer world [05:24] hroi (~hroi@hitabylgja.vedur.is) joined ##slackware. [05:24] hello [05:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [05:25] The-Croupier: rendering engines have evolved, they have improved but the user interface is the same (we got tabs but tabs are only used as a new taskbar while they should be more [could help pop-up blocking, history...] and, errr, that's about it I think) [05:25] hi hroi [05:26] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:29] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Camarade_Tux: the next gen browser. It will bring the whole internet experience to a whole new level by not displaying any webpages! [05:31] does anyone know if there is a way to resolve glibc.6 dependence? i.e. can I simultaneously have two different glibc libraries, /lib/libc.2.6.0.so and /lib/libc.2.5.0.so ? [05:31] recompile [05:31] I have been searching this issue, and always come up with some bull, such as using LD_LIBRARY_PATH [05:32] pprkut: I plan to get everybody to use my browser and have automatic updates, then one day I'll put a new version that is actually links: no more flash, no more javascript, no more images! \o/ [05:32] oh, and gopher support ;-) [05:32] hroi: just checking: why do you want several ones? [05:33] Camarade_Tux: ok, I am embarassed but sometimes we use commercial linux software binaries that have been compiled against some other glibc version [05:33] Camarade_Tux: dumb thing is that they dont just wrap all the require libraries with their binaries. [05:34] Camarade_Tux: one example of such commercial software is Matlab [05:34] Woo. Cadence and Mentor tools too? [05:35] Camarade_Tux: haha, automatic feature detection. "We detected you don't want javascript support, so it's no loger available. RIP" [05:36] The-spiki (~spiki@213.240.47.4) joined ##slackware. [05:37] Camarade_Tux: you created a browser ? ;) i would be honored to test it for you ;) [05:38] also, adsblock, noscripts in ff is all you are describing ;) automatic updates as option exists everywhere ;) ... i dont see something different ;) again... i might be wrong [05:38] hroi: why is LD_LIBRARY_PATH not ok? Matlab already installs in its own prefix and I'm not sure "matlab" isn't already a shell script you couldn't edit to [05:38] unless ff is not good anymore [05:39] The-Croupier: not the rendering engine, only the "shell" but the idea is to be able to try new things and to experiment but I already have some nice things :-) [05:40] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:40] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:40] The-Croupier: also, actually, ff addons are pretty good for new ideas but they often slow firefox down and there are compatibility problems at each new release [05:40] pprkut: basically ;p [05:40] Camarade_Tux: as i said, i would be honored to test if for you, maybe through in some ideas.. help in general if you dont mind ;) [05:41] I'm a bit busy right now but I'm resuming work on it soon, I'll tell you when there is something usable for day-to-day browsing :-) [05:41] Camarade_Tux: compatibility probs dont stop anywhere...especially in new releases...;) they get fixed pretty quickly though dont they... and slowing down... the philosophy is to have few addons to make your work better [05:42] Camarade_Tux: no problem anytime you feel ready just give me a shout...i love testing...anything that is ;) [05:42] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:42] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:42] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:43] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:43] Camarade_Tux: for some reason programs link against the original libc even thought there is also a newer version under /lib/ [05:44] Camarade_Tux: and even if I locate a newer version under some other directory and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH [05:44] Camarade_Tux: I use ldd to check this. [05:45] Camarade_Tux: I have been wondering about this for years, and haven't found any description about anyone successfully contolling which libc is being linked against. [05:46] The-Croupier: but not always and there are conflicts (and firefox on its own is quite heavy, how could anyone think he'd mix xml+javascript to create a new language that would be the base of the browser? ><) [05:47] expl0it (~loch@58.47.111.167) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:48] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:48] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Camarade_Tux: considering that most things are becoming flash, xml, and of course javascripts, people thought that would be the course of the internet....:( [05:49] you see the thinking.... [05:49] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [05:50] I don't see everything getting flash. people used to say that years ago, nothing happened [05:50] but huludesktop didn't exist years ago [05:50] :) [05:50] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.82.111) joined ##slackware. [05:51] don't use it, don't care ;) [05:51] also, if i remember correctly, javascripts exist for some time now.. and xml is not that new either... as for the base of the browser...hmmm i dont consider any mix and match languages for the base of anything.. i prefer something to be quick and clear (one language of programming) [05:51] pprkut: you see, thats what most people say...thats why we are where we are [05:51] unfortunately, there's "NO one language to rule them all" [05:51] noone cares unless it affects them immediately [05:52] alisonken1noc: yes, but there is the ability to write a full browser in C, or C++, or even java for that matter [05:53] hroi: unfortunately, I don't have anything to try with right now but I'd expect LD_LIBRARY_PATH to work =/ [05:54] The-Croupier: I was about 12 when I heard about firefox: I had been traumatized by xml's speed and I had been traumatized by javascript's speed... ;-) [05:54] alisonken1noc: ocaml! :P [05:55] The-Croupier: partially true. If nobody cares, it is not important. If someone cares, he will put effort into it getting fixed [05:57] Camarade_Tux: traumatised...?! lol [05:57] lets say that most of the people do not care about the speed so much any more since the networking speed is getting quicker.... [05:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] Is there an option in bash that disables tab autocomplete? [05:58] i know a lot of people who wouldnt care if it took them, 1.50 secs or 1.55secs ...and i think that is the kind of delay we are talking about right? [05:58] The-Croupier: javascript is still quite slow (and if you go back three years in time, even worse) and xml is still as slow [05:59] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.18.117) joined ##slackware. [05:59] hardware got much faster but js and xml are still annoyingly slow [05:59] Gargantua: hmmm, don't use the tab key? [05:59] Camarade_Tux: depending how much you put in a website and how you link them together... [05:59] Camarade_Tux, actually, a friend of mine is trying to figure out why the tab autocomplete isn't working. [05:59] I'm trying ENABLE it :P [05:59] from what ive seen, if they are in a logical queue and not jumping and linking all over the place...they are not that slow [06:00] Gargantua: hahaha ;-) [06:00] Action: Gargantua tells him to just use the tab key [06:00] Gargantua: checked the various *profile* files? and a different user account (root for instance)? is it system-wide? [06:00] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [06:00] Gargantua: so your initial question is not how to disable it...but how to enable it ;) [06:01] The-Croupier: firefox' UI is XUL iirc [06:01] hi all [06:01] The-Croupier: they aren't _that_ slow but I see no reason to go for something that is slow when you can as well go with something fast =) [06:02] Camarade_Tux: im with you, to create...speed up, secure,better looking browsers... but on the other hand...as we know for a fact the more you put in the chances of instability, and load time increase... [06:02] Camarade_Tux: which one would you consider fast? [06:02] also, fast means not so many options as the slow ;) [06:02] you can't segfault an ocaml program unless you use black magic ;-) [06:03] actually, you can't crash an ocaml program unless you use black magic (or non tail-rec functions) [06:03] that philosophy of programming there for you... the more you put...the slower it gets ...;) [06:03] The-Croupier: fast can mean more options than slow, some people code worse than monkeys :-) [06:04] Camarade_Tux: true...but more options means more code, means more things for the cpu to process ;) [06:04] The-Croupier: see mldonkey vs. azureus/vuze, mldonkey happily runs on a wrt54g =) [06:04] Camarade_Tux: lol [06:05] The-Croupier: yes and no: you can still make it pretty fast [06:05] for instance: git, it has tons of options and features and is still blazing fast (but I don't think I'm going to get close to that performance level ^^ ) [06:05] Camarade_Tux: true there is a big difference, people have to start coding all the stuff they need from scratch ...:( [06:05] Camarade_Tux, he says it doesnt work on root either. [06:06] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [06:06] on kde4, how do i restart all the menus and stuff, if i lost them? [06:06] Action: zux on slackware-current (LUKS+LVM) [06:06] don't delete them ? [06:06] Gargantua: checked /etc/profile? and login and non-login shells? [06:06] Wildebeast... [06:06] Camarade_Tux: if you put it that way... best browser... lynx ;) you will not find something quicker than that...;) [06:06] Camarade_Tux: and i believe it can become quicker that it ships out ;) [06:07] links > lynx [06:07] but lacks some gui ;) [06:07] The-Croupier: I use it for all my ascii porn :-) [06:07] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:08] Camarade_Tux: lol [06:09] ascii porn?!!!! i think i heard that years ago.. [06:10] NO - ascii pr0n :) [06:10] Anyone remember that starwars ascii movie? [06:10] It's probably up somewhere [06:11] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.173) left irc: Quit: t0f [06:12] nice.... [06:12] chess (~chess@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] chess (~chess@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Changing host [06:12] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [06:12] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [06:12] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [06:12] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [06:14] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [06:16] on kde4, how do i restart all the menus and stuff, if i lost them? [06:16] hey slackers, i got a problem with compiling obexftp-0.23 with the following error "ruby_wrap.c:2583: error: ‘struct RString’ has no member named ‘len’". I googled for similar errors but all I found was some MySQL Bindings... Anyone willing to help ? :) [06:16] uber lizella-fail [06:17] zux: If you meen getting the default menus and other settings, try deleting/moving ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 [06:17] no no [06:17] zux: if you messed it up completely delete ~/.local and ~/.kde [06:17] kde is running [06:17] I tryed to switch between external monitor [06:17] and the menu and all the plasmiods went away somwhere [06:18] now i have all the programms running [06:18] can switch between them with alt+tab [06:18] alt+F2 also works [06:18] Hm, last night at #kde some guy had the same issue, why don't you head over there to ask them [06:18] but there are no menus, no background... [06:18] zux: perhaps your external monitor's resolution is lower than your desktop dimensions, and the menu is just invisible below the bottom of the monitor [06:19] zux: how your vga doing? [06:19] what alienBOB said as well might be the case... [06:19] but i would see the background then, rigth? [06:19] also, try logging out and in again.... and try the same thing... [06:19] Or perhaps plasma-desktop crashed and was not automatically re-started. Type Alt-F2 and then type plasma-desktop [06:20] aha, that' s what i wanted to hear, plasma-desktop.... [06:20] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:20] yep [06:20] it helped [06:21] hah [06:21] trying to add a second panel, crushes it every time... [06:21] plasma regularly tries to eat all my cpuz [06:21] it's hardly bug-free [06:21] only it restarts automatically [06:22] Action: zux going back for good old xfce..... [06:22] zux: I have the same crash when I enable my external monitor on my laptop [06:23] alienBOB, did you also had the bug on slack-13 that when you switch from laptop monitor to the external, all the programs are made very small [06:23] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:23] it' s not like minimized, but like pulled from the corner to the other corner, to make them as small as possible... [06:23] fatalnix1995 (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) left irc: Killed (Md (please stop cycling in and out of channels)) [06:24] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) joined ##slackware. [06:24] nop, that bug is still there on current, just cheked :) [06:25] lol Camarade_Tux [06:25] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.38.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:25] I can't believe I spent so much time trying to help this dude [06:25] [02:14:06] bash wasn;t autocompleting because I was trying to use a command for a binary I don't have installed [06:25] lol [06:26] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:27] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:28] this is how the bug looks like: http://bildites.lv/images/55qjnsgh0d9xw21mq4h.png [06:28] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [06:28] if anyone is looking, those are thunderbird and firefox in the left upper corner :) [06:30] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nramqkdthlltwshi) joined ##slackware. [06:30] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.173) joined ##slackware. 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[06:41] Yep [06:41] hi techies i want to write a shell script to restart some daemons how i can do that? [06:42] i compiled the 0.3 that requires Bluez-4 (along with bluez 4.60) but it doesnt find my device and the kbluetooth4-devicemanager crashes on launch [06:42] i have httpd named dhcpd and vsftpd [06:42] usus12jari (~ashe@114.59.193.112) joined ##slackware. [06:42] hcitool works though... [06:42] Gargantua: slackware itself. official slackware packages do not contain metadata for dependencies [06:42] Nick change: usus12jari -> Guest47366 [06:42] cracker: /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd restart [06:42] ananke, I see [06:43] cracker: same thing for bind/named, etc [06:43] I've had... similar experiences, but IF you get it to run, it's pretty nice, heh. [06:43] Guest47366 (ashe@114.59.193.112) left ##slackware. [06:43] ananke:i want to do all these sort of things using a bash script so i can use that with crond [06:43] ..right :D I'd appreciate any advice on how to make it work ^^ [06:43] ashe (~ashe@114.59.193.112) joined ##slackware. [06:44] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [06:44] cracker: first, crond can execute other things than bash scripts. second, what do you think /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd is? [06:45] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:45] a sacreficial goat? [06:45] a sacreficial goto? [06:46] ez phrag [06:46] most computer geeks [06:46] ananke: actualy i want to write a script for that so they can restart on certiain times in a automated way! [06:46] tewmten: hey bud! =) [06:46] phrag: how goes? [06:46] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [06:47] cracker: cron or at take care of scheduling. again, why do you feel you need to write a script to restart httpd, when there is one that allows you to do it already? [06:49] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [06:49] ananke:actualy i want o learn and use the power of bash [06:49] Well stated [06:50] so you're going to reinvent the wheel, rather than learn how to use one? [06:50] tewmten: ah good thanks, late night, lazy morning =) [06:51] ananke: actualy i want to learn scripting i am a newbe [06:51] phrag: still no job? [06:51] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:51] cracker: then go for it. [06:51] any clue why http requests would start to drag while imap, im, irc, etc chug along? [06:51] are you in china? [06:52] tewmten: i have 5 in the later stages.. just turned one down.. got to be picky =) [06:52] phrag: tru, dont sell yourself to the lowest bidder ;) [06:52] tewmten: no, united states, new york, in particular [06:52] =) [06:53] It's Echelon. [06:53] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [06:53] tux_boy (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Try not to talk about bombs and pornography too much and speeds should be fine. [06:53] i'm getting a bunch of "connection reset" messages [06:53] tux_boy (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:54] fs_ (~fs@60-234-232-70.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:54] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [06:54] i have this set in my /etc/syslog.conf " *.* /dev/tty12 ". question is: can i somehow set a pty to pick up the log? It's tireing to have to drop to cli to read through my syslog. [06:55] sure [06:55] t0f: a char device is a char device [06:56] t0f: here's an even better idea, use /dev/console instead of a pts, and run xconsole [06:56] hm, i'll look into that [06:58] t0f: you can have multiple destinations for the same log [06:58] t0f: you can log it to /dev/tty12 and add another line to log to a file, and have a tail running on that [06:58] i figured it out...opendns is acting up atm [06:59] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: brb [06:59] opendns is such a waste of time [06:59] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:00] so is nepomuk if my experience with it is anything to go by [07:01] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:07] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [07:10] I have a bit of a problem, configure for gcc says I don't have gnat installed but the package gcc-gnat does exist, it's the same version number as my gcc compiler and gnatmake (and various other gnat-tools) are in my PATH [07:10] pseudonymous: check config.log [07:10] might be some lib missing [07:11] cracker (~cracker@119.153.133.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:11] the last compile output is rather to the end of the file, a few pages-up from the bottom (other debug info after compile fail) [07:11] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:14] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:14] The-spiki (~spiki@213.240.47.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:17] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:17] fallen, doesn't immediately strike me as obvious, the last thing that fails before the GNAT error is the inclusion of a random c header called cloog.h and that seems to be something else entirely. As for GNAT. well the config.log shows that gnatmake and gnatbind is found [07:19] fallen, but the gnat compiler doesn't understand ada. I don't know, I think I read that gcc requires an ada compiler to build the ada compiler. Very annoying, will check up on that [07:19] pseudonymous: look for a compile line on config.log [07:19] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:19] gcc -Iblabla -oblabla ... [07:20] fallen: life goes on? [07:23] Last compile line to be seen is when it checks for CLooG [07:23] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:24] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [07:24] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:26] what are kde4 users here doing for system monitoring. Ive always been a conky man but its seems to be very unhappy in kde4 [07:27] gm152 (~quassel@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] Zordrak, really i use conky in kde4 and i couldnt be happier [07:28] i havent heard this for some time now...but..... I LOVE SLACKWARE..:) :) [07:28] there are some threads around where people post the conky configs perhaps try a few others [07:29] there are some in the official conky site...but you can easily modify what you want ..and it works in pretty much any OS or wm Zordrak ;) [07:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:38] Yup, dug through gcc's configure script and sure enough. have_gnat is set to yes iff. gnatmake & gnatbind is found - and gcc -c random_ada_file.adb produces a successful compile. Which it doesn't on my system for some reason. So.. building the ada compiler requires a functioning ada compiler and mine's not working atm. So I'll have to look into that later [07:39] i saw a discussion earlier about why kde 4.4 is not going to current but didnt have time to read. someon saved it? or can say me [07:39] neo12 (~anonymous@cpc2-chwo1-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:39] guax: how much earlier ? [07:39] for all you tcl programmer.. a question ... http://pastebin.com/d381d227b <--- getting the following messages on output [07:39] programmers* [07:40] Hello :) [07:41] pseudonymous, 7am earlier (heres 10:42 now) [07:41] GMT -2 to be more precise [07:44] hrad (~4e88a2cc@gateway/web/freenode/x-nbuwkfsfynxlczlv) joined ##slackware. [07:44] guax: here you go, what I could find http://pastebin.org/90060 [07:45] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.145) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:45] hi, what should I check when moving data from partition to partition is incredibly slow? It's like 30MBps [07:46] pseudonymous, thanks [07:46] I have good hard drive and 4 cores and 4GB of memory [07:46] humm, slackware dont have pam then? [07:46] 13.0 slackware [07:46] guax: slackware doesnt have pam. [07:46] Action: guax 's going to search wth is pam [07:47] oh [07:47] hrad: think about what your harddrive is doing. [07:48] spook: you think that 30MBps is enough ? [07:48] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-220-099.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:49] hrad: your heads are reading data from one part of the disk, to the buffer, then copying the data from the buffer to another part of the disk. [07:50] hrad: cores and memory are irrelevant. moving data between partitions on one harddisk is more than twice as slow as copying it to another drive. [07:51] but when you look at reading/writing speeds of ram and hd [07:51] it's many times higher [07:52] which confirms what they're telling you. [07:52] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [07:53] spook: tried snort? [07:53] hrad: sata or pata? [07:53] sata [07:53] ok, I just wanted to be sure [07:53] hrad: are they in the same controller? [07:53] alisonken1noc: i've snorted icing sugar...? [07:53] hah [07:53] if you copy things to devices on the same channel, their speedy is divided [07:54] because when I installed 13.0 there was some sw for monitoring filesystem, don't remember the name [07:54] just wondering about using it for checking bots trying to log into root account on my public server [07:54] or just log onto the server period [07:54] and it was kinda buggy and sometimes it ate all my runtime [07:54] hrad: basically, you're wrong, and its about as fast as it should be. [07:55] alisonken1noc: just limit connections per time period. [07:55] ok [07:55] I'm trying to blacklist those ip's since I don't want them back [07:55] and what is the name of the software ? it has some kind of Czech name [07:55] until _I_ want them back [07:56] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.37.253.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [07:58] gbowden (~gbowden@162.Red-83-37-237.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [08:03] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.37.253.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:05] gm152 (~quassel@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:06] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:07] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7652.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] I just upgraded to the latest cmake from current now when I run cmake I get: CMake Error: Could not find CMAKE_ROOT !!! CMake has most likely not been installed correctly. Modules directory not found in /usr/local/bin [08:09] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:14] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.82.111) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:19] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.215) joined ##slackware. [08:21] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:21] you're doing it wrong [08:22] ashe (~ashe@114.59.193.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:25] doing what wrong? [08:25] my guess is everything but im not certain. first of all: did the exact same thing you're doing now work with 13.0 or whatever you had before upgrading to -current? [08:29] found the problem, I have two cmake executables one in /usr/local/bin and one in /usr/bin [08:29] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1854 [08:31] i wouldnt have guessed that [08:31] Pig_Pen: ah, good to know it got submitted ;-) [08:31] gbowden: you cant just go mixing packages from different releases and expect it all to work correctly (unless you really really know what you are doing) and i suspect you dont know what your doing [08:32] Camarade_Tux: that was one of the funnier ones i read at the farm in a long time [08:32] it my own package that I forgot to remove lol [08:33] Pig_Pen: I was really like "uh, what's going on?" when it happened ;-) [08:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:34] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430739.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:34] even though slackware has installpkg, removepkg, upgradepkg what it really boils down to is with slackware YOU! are the package manager [08:35] yeah, looks like that manhunter character really stepped in to it there [08:35] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Action: Zordrak does the dance..... [08:37] preparing to replace an engineer's CentOS4 desktop with slackware-current [08:38] save the pr0n! [08:38] The KDE 4.4.0 packages from AlienBOB are great, thanks AlienBOB! [08:40] where can I get them? [08:40] if i'm on current, then after all, why not live on the bleeding edge.... [08:40] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.173) left irc: Quit: t0f [08:40] because the bleeding edge hurts [08:40] 4.4.0 is nice. kde4 is definitely getting there [08:40] zux: google alienbob blog [08:41] pprkut well, i'm not a kde fan at all, i'll probably go back to xfce at a few days, but it's interesting to see what' s new [08:42] Intel_ (~intel@95.43.4.177) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Intel_ (intel@95.43.4.177) left ##slackware. [08:43] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.4.177) joined ##slackware. [08:43] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:44] The-Croupier (~The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:44] hello slackors [08:45] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Nick change: Guest15405 -> edman007 [08:46] edman007 (~edman007@ool-18bca8f3.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [08:46] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [08:48] Patero-ng, hello [08:48] edu [08:48] shoveling sucks [08:48] do u know about [08:48] a netgear WAG511 [08:48] Patero-ng, about schools? [08:48] anybody [08:48] oh... [08:48] well google knows it exists [08:48] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:48] but I have a WAG511 and I found another one [08:48] that has diff layout and printing on top of the card [08:48] ok... [08:48] same model but dif face and I wanna know what's their dif [08:49] different revesion... [08:49] firmware? [08:49] google it.. [08:49] I use logless.com [08:49] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [08:49] altough it hasn't been working the last 5 days now [08:49] can u access that site? [08:49] I can't :( [08:49] is a search engine too [08:50] maybe someone hacked it in an attempoed to violate freedom of privacy [08:50] maybe they banned you for being an idiot [08:52] i see that Patero-ng is at it again [08:53] they banned me? a search engine wtf [08:53] is not a private club yo [08:53] is like google or yahoo [08:53] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.44) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [08:53] i was being sarcastic [08:54] so can u help me [08:54] I can't search [08:54] I don't use google, yahoo, answers, lycos, bing [08:54] yes. you can. use google or yahoo. [08:54] not trust any of those [08:54] you dont use Slackware either [08:54] thats why I found logless but I havne't been able toa cces it [08:54] the last 5 or 6 days [08:54] I use slack 12 [08:54] also known as bt3 [08:54] kernel 2.6.21.5 [08:55] backtrack3 ? [08:55] oh, so youre not using slackware [08:55] but it works [08:55] same commands work [08:55] uhhuh [08:55] yeah [08:56] Patero-ng: trust is relative.. i trust google to return results pertaining to my query.. it is my responsibility to determine and filter those results that are worthwhile, and the majority of the time, works [08:56] I mean not trust in results quality phrag [08:56] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:56] I mean regarding privacy [08:56] how is that a slackware problem [08:56] I dont' want no one to know what am looking @ the web [08:57] Patero-ng: what's your issue? you want to search for something but don't want a log anywhere of you making the search query ? [08:57] not the pentagon, spammers, a search engine [08:57] Patero-ng: how is that a slackware problem [08:57] he gets kickec form this channel everytime he joins [08:57] ha-ha, not this guy again [08:57] I was asking for a nic that I use on bt3 [08:57] Patero-ng: how is that a slackware problem [08:58] Patero-ng: did you know that slackware 14 is out also known as bt4? [08:58] but someone said google it and I said I don't have any way to search [08:58] to help me find direct answer comming here [08:58] not getting redirected search ur self [08:58] Patero-ng: how is that a slackware problem [08:58] Patero-ng: turn off cookies, turn on private browsing, use tor, check your anonimity.. and for the record, BackTrack is not slackware, and you will nto get help here asking silly questions, try the backtrack forums or whatever [08:58] Patero-ng: so you want us to google for you? [08:58] Guys, I think you're helping someone find CP. o.O [08:58] ok [08:59] so it has dif revision [08:59] what!? [08:59] but I wanna know then the dif as in what changed [08:59] Patero-ng: type this in the chaneel four times very fast "!bomb Patero-ng" [08:59] stop [08:59] Patero-ng: why arent you answering my question [08:59] pleease^) [08:59] I want help not problems [08:59] so many people are question @ the same thyme [09:00] Patero-ng: find a good shrink to help you deal with your psicosis [09:00] Patero-ng: no, you stop, and read what I said please. [09:00] shouldnt he be joining #backtrack with these questions ? [09:00] Patero-ng: no, read what i said please [09:00] %) [09:00] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:00] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [09:00] I joined madwifi but no one answeign me [09:00] :( [09:01] Patero-ng: type this in the channel four times consecutively and very fast "!bomb Patero-ng" [09:01] it'll answer all your question [09:02] s [09:02] really [09:02] and spam us. how thoughtful. [09:02] john_dee: stop trying to incite trouble [09:02] phrag: i'm trying to solve it ;) [09:03] Patero-ng: i repeat, this is not the place for BackTrack support, come back when you have installed slackware [09:03] hrad (~4e88a2cc@gateway/web/freenode/x-nbuwkfsfynxlczlv) left irc: Quit: Page closed [09:03] yes I should do that [09:04] I'm starting to untrush backT [09:04] but is a good starting am learning a lot I keep my private data on a zip disk as u said outside a computo [09:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:04] no, we said floppies, not zip [09:05] this is cheating [09:05] and not secure, you know [09:06] betelgeuse [09:06] Zip disk? Zomg, check your windows to see if there's a black SUV parked outside your house. [09:06] betelgeuse [09:06] john_dee: again, this is support, not a joke channel [09:07] Patero-ng: if you are that bothered about privacy, use disk encryption like dmcrypt/LUKS [09:07] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:07] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:07] alisonken1home: okok. dont be mad at john_dee. he wasn't the first to try and turn this into a joke channel %) [09:08] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:08] I know - I've even had a few times myself, however, usually only when it's dead [09:08] Action: john_dee 's tabfail [09:09] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.13) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Patero-ng: if I see you mentioning one more time that you are running "slackware 12 also known as backtrack" I will kick you from the channel again. And if you refuse to use search engines, do not come complaining here that you can not find information. [09:10] However, if you format your disk and then install Slackware 13 in a LUKS-encrypted partition, then we are in business again [09:11] =) [09:11] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [09:11] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:11] alisonken1noc: well, there's not much going on here now except for troubleshooting slackware 12 bt3's privacy issues. lol [09:11] hah [09:11] gbowden (~gbowden@162.Red-83-37-237.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:12] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:12] There more interesting question is, why bother setting anything up on BT3 based on Slack 12. Slack 12 is superceded and BT4 uses Ubuntu as its base so you're at a dead end either way [09:13] WOO! K3B burned a DVD without coastering it! :) [09:13] congrats =P [09:13] slack 12 is superceded? [09:13] Zordrak: cool [09:15] hroi (~hroi@hitabylgja.vedur.is) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:15] admittedly i didnt ask it to verify where often it fails... but as im about to use the DVD to install slack.. ill find out shortly if its ok [09:16] Zordrak: pkgtool will check the integrity of packages during install [09:17] indeed [09:18] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [09:18] ismael (~sky_1@unaffiliated/sky-1/x-6937507) joined ##slackware. [09:20] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:20] well it seems i must read some guide [09:20] Hi, I have removed all IPs from relay in my sendmail but i still get those spam Hi, I get many Received: from InternetFrog [66.185.25.42] by InternetFrog with SMTP; so it looks like I send them [09:21] installing. once cromplete will shortly be followed by miltilib && kde4.4 :) [09:21] i just burned that 3,8GB iso but when i boot it cant find any kernel ? :-O [09:21] kde 4.4 working a treat here, slick =) [09:21] and it says in log from=<>, size=1401, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<634014720918888750@InternetFrog>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=HCI-SRV-06.CyberLynk.net [66.185.25.42] (may be forged) [09:22] is [66.185.25.42] you? [09:22] no! [09:22] i dont know who it is [09:22] and it is not in relay list or anything so I dont know how it happens [09:22] then block it in access. [09:23] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:23] hello [09:23] is access.db enabled by default [09:23] anyone can help me ? :) [09:23] should be [09:23] ismael: clarify your problem [09:23] if i put 66.185.25.42 REJECT [09:23] in access [09:24] Zordrak: i burned slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.iso but when boot it say it cant detect any kernel [09:24] when does it say it and what *precisely* does it say? [09:25] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [09:26] after isolinux booting it say it cannot detect valid kernel (just this...something like this) and it will end with boot: [09:26] type: huge.s [09:28] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:28] Zordrak: btw is there any minimal iso for amd64 ? [09:28] huh? [09:29] like netinstall [09:29] you can netinstall from the same one [09:29] that would defeat the purpose [09:29] i just hade one which is 3.8GB big ^^ [09:30] have [09:30] ardya: but how can this ip connect and send mails [09:30] it sends from <> [09:30] i blocked ip now [09:30] James____: that's a bounce message [09:30] its sending to you. [09:30] sendmail by default doesnt permit relaying [09:30] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [09:31] damn, started X without hal once again. [09:31] no keyboard, mouse, nothing. [09:31] no video or sound? [09:31] thats very annoying indeed; been there a couple of times [09:31] SysRq! [09:31] ismael (~sky_1@unaffiliated/sky-1/x-6937507) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:32] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:32] Camarade_Tux, roger that [09:32] R and then you can Ctrl+Alt+F2 :-) [09:33] Camarade_Tux, uhh, forgot that one. I used R + E to terminate everything. will remember next time. [09:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] hehe :P [09:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:35] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:36] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:37] did anyone ever try to make a bad sector on their drive ? :D [09:37] snL20: what is the issue ? [09:37] not on a drive that wasn't already hosed ;-) [09:37] init[1]: I was just looking at hdparm options and came across it =) [09:37] snL20 just needs a reason to buy a new one [09:37] probably [09:38] zux: hehe [09:38] i suggest you drop the hdd [09:38] init[1]: the man says not to use it in caps... but why include it :D [09:39] from somewhere high [09:39] zux: that might in some cases fix it =) [09:40] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:40] ok it is very srtange [09:40] strange [09:40] because it is like they send mail from my sendmail [09:40] now i blocked the ip [09:40] ruleset=check_relay, arg1=[66.185.25.42], arg2=66.185.25.42, relay=HCI-SRV-06.CyberLynk.net [66.185.25.42] (may be forged), reject=550 5.7.1 Access denied [09:40] i get heavy attacks from that ip [09:40] James____, fix your nick... [09:41] James____: open relay ? [09:41] no [09:41] i did a relay check on my server [09:41] it is good [09:41] maybe they use some hole in sendmail [09:41] or a new attack [09:41] James____: yeah, I'd put my money on a sendmail hole :D [09:43] my vote would be sendmail hole as well [09:43] is pastebin down? [09:45] works for me [09:45] I have enabled KMS. Now after starting X and exitting, the text size is too small. How can I change/fix this? [09:45] you miss understand the meaning of the logs [09:45] when a server receives mail without headers, that mail server is supposed to add its own [09:45] so its not really sending from your server [09:46] and when it fails to connect, its likely a port scan and not sending email at all [09:46] http://pastebin.com/md9080a5 [09:47] the fact that sendmail is rejecting the email means its working fine [09:47] that is because i set the access.db [09:47] just now [09:47] if i remove the access db [09:47] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:47] they can spam out via my sendmail! [09:47] people will often forge their ips to get past spam filters [09:47] and nothing i can do [09:47] yeah but it looks like i spam and some people alreayd complain [09:48] do you need to relay mail from your domain? [09:48] James____: looks like you need to disable sendmail until you can lock it down [09:48] if you don't then don't relay any mail [09:48] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:49] you can also use spf records to declare which ips are allowed to send mail as being from your domain [09:49] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:49] relaying should be denied by default [09:50] crap thanx for the reminder Skywise , i got a new ip and have to changethe spf record [09:50] you can also use host names in the record, but that involves more overhead [09:51] what program from stock slackware can I use to play a stream from /dev/video0 ? [09:51] i give up [09:53] slava_dp i once tried something about playing web-camera, but failed at something [09:53] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:53] i don't think theres any cli video players [09:53] Skywise, a gui one will do [09:53] i'm sure there are x apps [09:54] vlc should be able, but that's not stock slackware [09:54] I have enabled KMS. Now after starting X and exitting, the text size is too small. How can I change/fix this? [09:55] Skywise: can you be clear with cli video players ? [09:55] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [09:55] slava_dp i can't realy remember what was xv for [09:55] Skywise: did you mean playing without X support ? [09:55] yeah, that run on a framebuffer or vesa on their own [09:56] alienBOB: ah, very well. I wasn't going to anyway. [09:56] Skywise: mplayer -vo help | grep fb [09:57] i don't think mplayer comes with slack [09:57] it does [09:57] oh ok [09:57] as of 13.0 [09:59] Skywise: see the xine -V option . [09:59] NaCl: please remind me what my remark was which you just replied to... I forget ;-) [09:59] and they run without X? [09:59] Skywise: try it out , we can't spoon feed you ;-) [10:00] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:00] lol [10:00] i don't have stuff like that installed [10:01] <@alienBOB> NaCl, don't count on KDE 4.4.0 coming to -current [10:01] i use my boxes for headless servers [10:01] someday when i need the heartburn, i'll setup a linux desktop [10:01] NaCl: ah... well I think 4.3.5 will be added sooner or later. Not 4.4.0 [10:02] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [10:02] 4.4.0 is being skipped or what? [10:02] All right. [10:02] I guess I'll use your packages then. :) [10:02] mikl0 (~mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:02] alienBOB, but will KDE4.4 never get there? Or is it a Slackware 14.0 job ? I'm trying to understand whether the plan is to now abandon KDE too like gnome was ? [10:03] you can always install any version you can manage to build [10:03] Probably going to be on the "wait for a little bit" front [10:03] pseudonymous, the plan is to switch to twm for the time being. so do. [10:03] really? [10:03] kde4.5... [10:03] twm [10:04] that must not be the manager i used to knows [10:04] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.156.244.81) joined ##slackware. [10:04] alienBOB: you http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/slackbuilds/ link in slackware should point to ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/people/alien/ [10:04] i always thought it was rudimentary and simple [10:04] s/you/your/ [10:04] Skywise can't undertand jokes [10:04] pseudonymous: seriously? [10:05] alienBOB: i mean wiki [10:05] spook, srsly what? [10:05] you mean they're not going to use twm? [10:06] init[1]: the guy who runs slackware.org.uk should have re-instated the web server long ago. But since it is a free mirror service for me I do not get to complain. Yes, I should change that URL for now in my Wiki if I use it there [10:06] No, they're going to use CDE. :P [10:06] pseudonymous: KDE will probably not be abandoned by Slackware. But 4.4.0 can not be added to Slackware in its present state [10:07] but people can still install it [10:07] If I knew that 4.4.0 was going to be added to Slackware-current I would not have made these packages myself [10:07] Skywise: you can install *anything* [10:07] yes [10:07] I have enabled KMS. Now after starting X and exitting, the text size is too small. How can I change/fix this? [10:07] alienBOB: is it that horrible? how much better/worse than 4.0 ? [10:08] Very much, IMO [10:08] Sure KDE 4.4.0 is a fully functional desktop environment, with a few annoyances due to the absense of policykit [10:08] spook: its a pam/polkit thing [10:08] 4.0 was pretty baseline [10:08] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:08] i always thought that you can know exactly what packages will be in the next slackware release when the release comes out.... [10:08] Zordrak: oh urkhghas [10:08] Slackware started shipping KDE4 as of 4.2 (4.0 / 4.1 was only in our testing ground) [10:08] the polkit thing is mostly-resolved on the "it's possible" front [10:09] NaCl: how you coming with that? [10:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:09] alienBOB: got cha :) [10:09] Skywise: That's beside the point. Not having a WM in the official distro bears a lot more impact that whether I have have to compile it myself or not. For example. I can't very well submit my mono 2.6/ monodevelop 2.2 build scripts because they depend on gnome, something I have to get elsewhere. If KDE was removed a lot more packages would be in that state, it would hardly make sense to publish build scripts for say k3b as it would depend on kde whi [10:09] why can't polkit have its own pluggable authentication so you didn't have to use pam [10:09] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:09] sinkigobopo (~sinkigobo@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Zordrak: I submitted a pacth tha removes the pam dep in polkit. [10:10] pseudonymous, your text gets cut. don't write such long lines. [10:10] Last month. [10:10] oh man, i fell alseep reading it [10:10] NaCl: allowing for shadowutils right? [10:10] yup [10:10] NaCl: and theyve just not touched it yot? [10:10] Skywise: the author of polkit is an asshole [10:10] *yet [10:10] oh [10:10] another one? [10:10] Zordrak: yep [10:10] alienBOB: lol [10:11] he works for Redhat too, so there is no incentive to add shadow support [10:11] NaCl: ass-butts [10:11] how does the internet keep ending up in the hands of assholes [10:11] If any of you want to try the patch, it does work. [10:11] because the internet doesnt revolve around slackware [10:11] Red Hat isn't all doom and gloom ? They seem to run the glibc wiki etc.. ? [10:11] NaCl: I am going to, soon [10:11] Skywise: because assholes give money to other assholes [10:11] and so do idiots [10:11] I just need to update some of SLackware's packages [10:11] alienBOB: there's a small bug in it. [10:12] O? [10:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] I left out two or three goto's [10:12] ardya, it does i bet slackware was one of the biggest unattributed growth factors for the net [10:12] pompom (~1mr4N@203.128.250.38) joined ##slackware. [10:12] and I couldn't figure out how to rescue my test VM from the libata switchover [10:12] but used to be software was overly inclusive [10:12] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [10:13] Krux0 (~richard@ool-4579afa2.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] NaCl: you have a more complete patch locked inside a VM? [10:14] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:14] No, the original one is there. I just need to recover it. [10:14] NaCl: qemu-nbd? [10:14] Action: NaCl is going to install grub [10:15] i keep thinking about setting up a machine with a vm, but i can't think of how i'd use it [10:15] qemu-nbd ;-) [10:15] I use vbox [10:16] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-230.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:16] NaCl: .vdi? [10:16] i like the concept, but just don't have a use for it [10:16] Camarade_Tux: da [10:16] you can still mount it directly on your computer =) [10:16] wha? [10:16] Krux0 (~richard@ool-4579afa2.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:17] hello all :) [10:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:17] I can say that the migration to LUKS+LVM was a success, i don't see any performance penalty on normal use [10:17] cool, do you know how to back up your usb drive? [10:18] or unlock the drive without it? [10:18] only when copying some big files, but that is not my laptops main use [10:18] nop, i'm using password [10:18] k [10:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:18] can anyone tell me what's up with the madwifi thing [10:19] use ath5k [10:19] the original kernel does include some driver, that doesn't work with my card [10:20] NaCl: is your .vdi a "dynamic" image? [10:20] hey, anyone know why/how my VM lost it's ethernet interface [10:20] Camarade_Tux: yes [10:20] (one which expands up to some size) [10:20] alienBOB: ping [10:20] NaCl i'm using ath5k [10:20] root@tofiks:~# lsmod | grep ath [10:20] ath5k 116890 0 [10:21] How do I regenerate the persistent net udev rules? [10:21] delete /etc/udev/rules.d/*-net.rules [10:21] next reboot will recreate it [10:22] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Is there any way to do it without rebooting? [10:22] but the wi-fi doesn't work [10:22] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:22] possibly try delete the file then stop/restart /etc/rc.d/rc.udev [10:23] zux: "doesn't work" doesn't mean much [10:23] iwlist wlan0 scan says that wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [10:23] alisonken1home: ? [10:23] zux: ifconfig wlan0 up [10:23] zux, tried "ifconfig wlan0 up" first ? [10:23] NaCl: /topic ##slackware the other wicd channel :P [10:23] he's not asking about wicd. :P [10:24] ifconfig wlan0 up: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 [10:24] NaCl: i skimmed the convo, sorry :P [10:24] NaCl: well, you could convert the .vdi file to a not-dynamic image and then losetup it with the proper offset to get entries in /dev and mount them as usual [10:24] but grub might just be simpler :-) [10:24] Camarade_Tux: convert how [10:24] zux: often the wifi drivers are flaky. Try unloading them and loading them back in, then try to bring the interface up and finally do whatever it is you want (that is unload/load via rmmod/modprobe) [10:25] alisonken1home: rebooted, still not there [10:25] is /etc/rc.d/rc.udev executable? [10:25] I have enabled KMS. Now after starting X and exitting, the text size is too small. How can I change or fix this? [10:25] ardya: VBoxManage convert, the command-line tools [10:25] oh nice [10:26] alisonken1home: yes [10:26] pseudonymous: thanks, the reloading seems to help [10:26] but i had no issues with wirless before, could the driver be broken in newer kernels? [10:27] zux: HW drivers deal with the state of the wifi card. Wifi cards are insanely complex and sometimes things just get into an illegal state of sorts. Usually reloading the driver resets the state and gets you back on track. Actually, quite a few suspend scripts in linux work by unloading problematic modules prior to suspend and loading them back in once the computer wakes up :) [10:27] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.215) left ##slackware (""This channel is not of much helpfufl people. Really.""). [10:27] "waaaaaa" [10:28] lol [10:28] I have a question [10:28] no you dont [10:28] i was gonna help him, but couldn't drum up the will to care [10:28] I want to link a exe file on slack 12 [10:28] you dont have slack 12. [10:28] alienBOB: just wondering.. why provide massconvert32.sh rather than the 60mb of compat version pkgs? [10:28] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [10:28] ok just speak as if I was using it [10:28] no. [10:29] I want to have a shortcut to a exe installed on my slack [10:29] go get backtrack help from a backtrack channel. [10:29] stop it [10:29] NaCl: hmmmm - try restarting rc.udev manually and check the logs [10:29] I should somehow use wine [10:29] Patero-ng: slackware doesn't use exe files [10:29] I load exes thur wine [10:29] Patero-ng: as unfriendly as it may sound. There's actually some logic to it. BT3 is *based* on slackware, but they spent quite a while modifying all sorts of things. It doesn't make much sense to ask for help here, really. [10:30] its not like he hasn't been told [10:30] he simply refuses to stop [10:30] do u know what did they mofity [10:30] how i can greate a iso from cd in konsole [10:30] Patero-ng: you would have to ask them [10:30] vcdimager [10:30] netdiscover sure makes a lot of noise in a lan [10:30] Blue_Slacker86: dd [10:30] ok partner [10:30] alisonken1home: nothing of interest [10:31] wait, am banned of bt3 chat [10:31] Blue_Slacker86: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/img.iso [10:31] Patero-ng: write alias somestouf='wine /path/to/some/exe' [10:31] it wa s mnistake [10:31] lol.. i bet it was [10:31] I doubt it was a mistake. [10:31] NaCl: hmm - then I don't know (which is probably not hard since I haven't dug into udev much) [10:31] Patero-ng: nope, but part of the effort has been to make BT3 a livecd, something slack is very far from. I imagine loads of scripts and packages have been modified in the process. It really is better to direct your questions to the BT forums on offensive-security or whatever IRC they have [10:31] it was my sister speaking nonsense [10:31] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@193.92.242.104) joined ##slackware. [10:31] as opposed to your nonsense? [10:32] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Action: GooseYArd yawns [10:32] alisonken1home: shucks. :/ [10:32] Still doesn't work. [10:32] you blow somethin up? [10:32] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@193.92.242.104) left irc: Client Quit [10:32] the network interfaces in one of my VMs [10:32] And I need to go. [10:33] I'll bbl. [10:33] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:33] pseudonymous: but still, wirless devices and drivers suck, i know. but this same chip worked well all the time on an earlier kernel, but fails every time on the new kernel [10:34] what is realy the difference from the kernel included driver and the madwifi project? [10:34] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] zux: madwifi project has an atheros guy actually coding the binary blob [10:35] ok, so what is included in the kernel, the same madwifi code? [10:35] the kernel driver is just what can be pieced together [10:35] no - the kernel driver is a complete remake of the atheros driver based on drop code and reverse-engineering [10:35] and lots of luck [10:36] as long as the blob behaves and runs good [10:36] ok, so would i have better luck using the madwifi stuff? [10:36] it was behaving well last time I used it [10:36] but the last time I used it was on a 12.2 system [10:36] zux: are you just trying to get connection to an ap via your atheros card? [10:37] yes, i can connect now [10:37] Patero-ng: yesterday you blamed your little brother, today it is your sister you gets you banned from channels. Lame. [10:37] if so, as long as you're just doing basic client attachments ath5k should work [10:37] no I never said that stop it alienbo [10:37] it's only in ap/bridge mode that you would need the madwifi driver [10:37] show me proof [10:37] you did say that [10:37] Zordrak: I do not want to offer 60 MB of binaries duplicated from 32-bit slackware. People should buy the DVD and have it all together [10:38] it was my sister speaking nonsense [10:38] Patero-ng: if alienBOB says you did something, there's a very good chance the public logs will show it [10:38] Intel_BG (intel@95.43.4.177) left ##slackware. [10:38] alienBOB: fair enough [10:38] i'm gonna buy the dvd some day, when i'll have more money [10:38] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:38] better yet - get the subscription :) [10:39] that might get me bancrupt.... [10:39] what subscription ? [10:39] subscription is cheaper and steady than buying when they're available [10:39] a t-shirt subscription would be cool [10:39] Feb 10 23:38:27 that was my little brother [10:39] that one, where every new slackware release knocks at your door..... [10:39] like the slackware shirt of the season collection [10:39] alienBOB: when updates are available is the idea to re-run massconvert and then upgradepkg the output? [10:39] http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store <-- see the link in the first paragraph called "subscription" [10:40] PS3: The thing you waste time on while the system is compiling stuff. [10:40] Zordrak: that's entirely your call [10:40] I would re-run massconvert32.sh on every new official release probably [10:40] alienBOB: kk.. seems like the only reasonable thing to do [10:41] alienBOB: other than lobby pat to put the whole shebang into /extra of course :) [10:41] pompom (1mr4N@203.128.250.38) left ##slackware. [10:41] Zordrak: never gonna happen [10:42] Zordrak: are you bandwidth constrained? :) [10:42] GooseYArd: no.. [10:42] I tried twice to buy a little tux toy from store.slackware.com, but somehow failed both times, nobody took any money from my card, and i didn't get any replay also... :( [10:43] .. [10:44] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:44] alienBOB: on the assumption pat runs -64.. what does *he* do when he hits a 32bit blob he noods to run? [10:44] noods, huh? [10:44] He does not use 32-bit binary blobs [10:44] besides, he has a 32-bit test machine if he needs to run a 32-bit program [10:44] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:44] And yes he runs slackware64 [10:45] As well as slackware 32bit [10:45] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:45] on a sufficiently powerful machine, I'd run binary blobs on a virtual machine :-) [10:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:46] alisonken1home, [10:46] i never got what all the multilib hate was all about. [10:47] does store.slackware sells tshirt outside USA? [10:47] I want to buy a tux tshirt too [10:47] powtrix: yes, as long as you can pay with credit card [10:47] just because the libraries use more disk space. [10:47] afaik yes, but shipping might be expensive [10:47] good [10:48] or u can buy a tux on ur own country [10:48] alienBOB, but why is it store.slackware.com don't use paypal? [10:48] I remember buying a ekeko [10:48] Azalyn: from reading the comments it sounds like some doofuses feel their computer is being dirtied by the presence of x86 bianries [10:48] I bought 2 tshirts from TPB, from Sweden [10:48] GooseYArd: so it's a "purity" thing? lawl [10:48] x86enophobia [10:48] :) [10:48] 20 days waiting :) [10:49] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:49] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:49] the Simpsons and tradicional tshirts. [10:49] but slack is "multilib ready" right? which means the kernel has code compiled in to run 32bit stuff. so it's still not completely "pure" [10:49] i wouldn't include it in the distribution just because people would devise all kinds of unexplored ways to fuck stuff up on their machines [10:50] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:50] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:50] but im delighted to have it since I need to make 32 binaries constantly [10:50] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] to be honest i dislike that the multilib spec says that 64bit libraries belong in $PREFIX/lib64 [10:51] has anyone compiled madwifi un slackware-current? [10:51] all because of the few dumb apps that have hardcoded paths [10:51] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:51] 64bit should be just 'lib' and 32bit should be 'lib32' [10:52] itd be a massive pain in the ass during the transition, to do that [10:52] although its kind of a pain in the ass after the transition anyway :) [10:53] Azalyn: it will break the legacy apps [10:53] only the dumb apps that have hardcoded paths [10:53] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] you'd be surprised to see how many dumb apps exist... [10:53] any proper app should use /etc/ld.so.conf to find it's libraries. [10:54] Azalyn: we don't live in a prefect world ;) [10:54] the larger problem is autoconf scripts [10:54] Camarade_Tux: well they're just asking for it. [10:54] :P [10:54] its easier to adjust future autoconf releases to look in a new spot than to go back and update everything thats ever been released with /lib hardcoded into it [10:54] but its definitely a mess I agree [10:55] autoconf-based i should say [10:56] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:56] yeah but you know, i've never known the linux community to back down from controversial decisions like that. when it's time to move to a new interface or technology, they'll just move, and abandon the old crap. and anyone that doesn't like it better fix their software, because they're not going to hold your hand and do it for you. [10:56] many transitions like that have happened over the years [10:56] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:56] yep [10:57] libs should all go in /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 and subdirectories, whats so friggin hard about that? [10:57] and now all of a sudden they're getting cold feet with the 64bit stuff. and holding hands. [10:57] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [10:58] Action: Zordrak cant wait for the switch to 128-bit... [10:58] then again, this 'standard' was established by the FHS or something, right? so it's true that it's mostly the companies that just arbitrarily decided this. [10:59] or do like apple where each app has its own directory with everything self-contained including its own libs = uses more disk space but is a hell of a lot more portable [11:00] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] as horrible as it is as a solution.. it makes a lot of sense [11:00] Pig_Pen: actually, it *might* have its own directory [11:00] Zordrak: hahaha [11:00] apparently hal is going to be kicked to the curb soon as well. [11:00] and devicekit crap was merged into udev or something. [11:00] anyone know sh3 emulattor ? [11:00] 79 [11:00] woops =) [11:03] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:03] yea. hal is going bye bye.. After all that time where it's been pushed as the "new thing" with xorg.conf etc.. Personally I'm glad, I hate messing with tonnes of XML to set up xorg [11:03] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:03] what i hate is the waiting. [11:04] because now, hal is just getting bugfixes, right? [11:04] so it's pretty much abandoned [11:04] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:05] what happens is some highly motivated but somewhat naive 20 year old programmer gets a wild hair, writes up one of these elaborate systems, works on it a few years until he gets sick of it and needs a new job, and then everybody loses interest [11:05] it's the same with the whole graphics subsystem which is being re-engineered practically from top to bottom now... [11:05] the new gallium/dri2/ttm/kms stuff looks great... [11:06] yeah although thats a win, since they've got such a broad set of hardware people involved [11:06] but meanwhile... all the 'current' drivers are going to stagnate [11:06] and they know gallium will reduce their effort [11:06] Well most software will face several re-writes during its lifetime. It's not necessarily a bad thing [11:07] pseudonymous: well stuff like hal is more of a rearchitecting than a rewriting [11:07] Moving to one thing, only to abandon the entire project, now *that* is bad [11:07] yeah, i know. long-term, it's fantastic.. and maybe we'll finally have opensource drivers that can compete with the proprietary ones in performance.. (it seems the community can always get better stability/security.. but performance in 3d has eluded them) [11:07] theyre throwing stacks of components away [11:07] but for *now*, the ones running stable systems.. are kind of screwed [11:07] nouveau just ditched all dri1 and ums code. [11:07] so it's dri2/kms only now. [11:08] yah thats what im using now [11:08] it is fantastic [11:08] they merged all the nouveau bits into mesa abuot a week ago [11:08] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.156.244.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:08] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:08] so im getting hardware gl all the sudden [11:08] pretty cool. [11:08] i'm really anxious to see how it'll all play out. [11:09] the day i can play half-life 2 in linux with an opensource stack alone, with all settings maxed out.. will be a great day. ;) [11:09] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] i think the big thing that will happen is that you'll get an xlib/xcb direct-to-gallium tracker and you wont really even need xorg anymore [11:11] hm... [11:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [11:11] so uh, what? you'll be able to run 3D games in directfb? [11:11] or what? [11:11] no its more just a repositioning of the driver [11:12] the driver that does 3d acceleration will sit behind libgl/glx [11:12] i'm also looking forward to xinput2, which is already in xorg 1.7 i believe. but most apps haven't been ported to it yet. that should make tablets work better. [11:12] with multi-touch [11:12] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.43.70) joined ##slackware. [11:12] etc [11:12] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:12] test [11:12] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [11:12] passed [11:13] zux (~zux@87.226.56.242) joined ##slackware. [11:13] greetings newbie [11:13] we're really behind on the touch functionality stuff. [11:13] but xinput2 looks very nice [11:13] Saluts GooseYArd [11:13] MPX :-) [11:13] Ciao Tuti [11:13] (multi-pointer X) [11:13] maybe touch screen, but the multi-touch on the touchpad works fine for me [11:14] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:14] first time chatting completely from CLI [11:14] it is just wooooooooooowoooooooooooo [11:14] nonone (~nonone@190.66.211.202) joined ##slackware. [11:14] oh, another thing is that as i understand, the hotplug stuff in xorg isnt really up to scratch.. i mean, with devices like mice/keyboards, it works well.. but i think that's just because the server always "assumes" that there is a keyboard and mouse. [11:14] hi [11:14] but with something like a tablet [11:14] i don't think you can hotplug it [11:14] i have a question ! [11:14] you have to start the xorg server with the settings in there [11:14] xinput2 will fix that too, from what i understood. [11:15] nonone what is it? [11:15] Wait GooseYArd: give me a break here .. maybe I can answer any question [11:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:16] which is good, because with udev we finally managed to get really good hotplug in the lower levels.. but xorg was behind.. which means even though the device can be hotplugged and seen by the OS, and whatever.. xorg doesnt know what to do with it unless you restart the server.. which is kind of messed up. [11:16] xorg 1.8 will be the release to watch. [11:16] I have a machine with this processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00GHz, I Need To Know What I used slackware linux for that processor? [11:16] and yeah Camarade_Tux, i've read about MPX. it's one part of the multi-touch problem. xinput2 is the other. [11:16] is not AMD [11:17] i've seen this xorg too many times on my screen recently thinking it's a short for www.x.org [11:17] nonone: you mean you need to know which slackware version to download? [11:17] yes [11:17] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:17] but my machine is not AMD [11:17] go with 13 [11:18] nonone: you're confused i think. "amd64" is an architecture [11:18] intel uses amd64 too on their latest processors [11:18] is it 64-bit? if so slackware64 13.0 [11:18] slackware13 x86_64 ! [11:18] yeah v13.0 and kiss the crap out of its LILO problems [11:18] what is this, a help channel? [11:18] yeah, x86_64 is the same as 'amd64' [11:18] but my machine is not AMD! [11:18] nonone: it's slackware64 for 64-bit [11:18] some people just use the former to be more "politically correct" [11:19] nonone: intel uses the same specification [11:19] Azalyn: x85_64 != amd64 [11:19] nonone: 13.0 does not have any lilo problems [11:19] ok [11:19] thks ! [11:19] x86_64 just means x86 class that is 64-bit [11:19] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:20] if you're adventurous enough - slackware64-current [11:20] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [11:20] alisonken1home: totally subjective. if intel can refer to their 32bit arch as "IA32" which means "Intel Architecture 32bit", and that is a name that has become pretty popular, enough so that many sites have stopped using "x86" and use "ia32" instead... [11:20] then amd can damn well call their arch, amd64. [11:20] Zordrak: how do you explain my being able to install v12.1 while v13.0 didn't work on the same pc? [11:20] what failed in 13? [11:21] and was it 13.0 or 13-current? or did you d/l slackware64 13.0? [11:21] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:22] Azalyn: Intel trademarked IA64 - AMD did not trademark AMD64 [11:22] guys, i have setup dns and am using a slave and master server for a zone, when i disconnected the master, the slave is very slow in responding to dns resolver queries! how can i speed this up? [11:22] and IA64 is the tradename for an Itanium 64-bit processor [11:22] yes alisonken1home, couldn't make it booting from hdd [11:22] what error did you get? [11:23] i had to boot from the installation dvd over and over again [11:23] shadowx (~7350@core.astika.bg) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:23] crashes at the end of installation .... [11:23] during the configuration period [11:23] possible hardware failure? [11:23] i said ia32 though [11:23] i'm talking to you from the same hardware right now [11:23] and what part of the configure phase crashed? [11:24] also, trademark or not. i still see it as the architecture name. whomever invents the arch, gets to name it. seems pretty straightforward. [11:24] newbie2010: I even have that issue when installing on a VM so it cant be hardware can it, if its mapped and running in virtual environment [11:24] when the last part ... i don't recall but something after the display settings [11:24] noop ... i'm not a virtual fan [11:24] and you tried a full install? [11:25] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [11:25] alison: yes [11:25] even when it's an amd 32bit chip, we'd still call it an "i686 chip", despite not being intel. so i think the same is applicable in reverse. [11:25] tried everything from the lilo-config [11:25] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:25] nothing also [11:25] try a basic install and unselect X/XAP packages and see how far you get [11:25] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-172-144.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:25] ricardoromao (~rsilveira@200.226.123.253) joined ##slackware. [11:25] nonone (~nonone@190.66.211.202) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:25] and try to write down what the error is [11:25] ricardoromao (rsilveira@200.226.123.253) left ##slackware. [11:26] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Azalyn: that's because the cpu's are based on the i686 instruction set - otherwise it would be named something else [11:27] ... [11:27] yes [11:27] like power or mk68x [11:27] just like intel's new cpus are based on amd64's design [11:27] hence, my point. [11:27] newbie2020 (~newbie201@41.252.43.70) joined ##slackware. [11:27] design is different than instruction set [11:27] ? [11:27] my other account frozed up [11:28] fine, nitpick. [11:28] i have a doctor's appointment. [11:28] later [11:28] Pcfjnt #overflow [11:28] you started nitpicking about the name :) [11:28] zux (~zux@87.226.56.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:29] sdf [11:29] yep [11:29] lkj [11:30] ... spamming gibberish, great way to get people to like you. [11:30] zux (~zux@87.226.56.242) joined ##slackware. [11:30] newbie2020 (~newbie201@41.252.43.70) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] is there anything broken with xfce in current? [11:32] i have a config in my /home from 13.0 [11:32] its current, do you expect everything to be working perfectly? [11:32] and there are no icons.... [11:32] zux: read the changelog? [11:33] spook, no, i don't expect, but I usually do recieve that :) [11:34] but did you read the changelog entries relevant to xfce? [11:34] guys, i have setup dns and am using a slave and master server for a zone, when i disconnected the master, the slave is very slow in responding to dns resolver queries! how can i speed this up? [11:35] hmm, it's not just xfce... [11:35] firefox has no icons too [11:35] freedom for all the slaves [11:35] zux: have you slackpkg install-new ? [11:36] stinkytaco (~stinkytac@subnet-66-228.ideaone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] hermesdxxv (~hermesdxx@114-25-243-211.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] xover is it still slow if you ssh to the slave and run your queries locally? [11:37] howdy folks. [11:37] hola bp [11:38] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:38] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.78.198) joined ##slackware. [11:38] hermesdxxv (~hermesdxx@114-25-243-211.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: «â [11:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:39] GooseYArd: not at all, if i remove the 1st dns server from resolv.conf its fast too, so its the process of attempting to use the first in the list that is causing it perhaps? [11:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [11:39] hmm probably [11:39] is there a way of tuning the resolver? [11:40] zux (~zux@87.226.56.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:40] will it instant if i remove the dead namerserver from the resolver config [11:40] im not sure how glibc chooses [11:40] BP{k}: sup Oh Deviant One [11:41] xover when you disconnect the master, did you just pull the plug on it, or stop the resolver? [11:41] Zordrak: S²D² :) [11:42] i shut it down. [11:42] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [11:43] if you do a dig +trace www.slackware.com @ip.of.master [11:43] does it take a whiel to time out? [11:43] BP{k}: aye [11:43] im doing lookups on the local domain and its slow as [11:43] they are on the same segment [11:44] xover i think your best bet would probably be to poke through the glibc docs to see if you can find the rules about how it uses resolv.conf [11:44] where does xfce stores user configuration? [11:44] the dns server is fast, i think its the host resolver that is the problem. [11:44] ok man [11:44] ive noticed the same behavior in the past, i think you're right, but I dont know an easy way other than changing the order in resolv.conf to work around it [11:46] I tried to login with a new user, and that one has all the icons and stuff [11:46] so it's just my config... [11:50] Zordrak: sup in your neck of the woods? [11:51] hfjardim (~hfjardim@89.240.66.252) joined ##slackware. [11:55] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.156.244.81) joined ##slackware. [11:56] GooseYArd: boss, the answer is to set options to a timeout of less than the default, which is 5seconds [11:56] directive 'options timeout:1' for 1 second for example. Sorted! [11:57] oh neat [11:57] i should make a note of that [11:57] GooseYArd: explains why my pings were taking 5 seconds each yet returning 1ms response times. [11:58] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:58] hah [11:59] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:00] BP{k}: ssdd.. one really awesome thing is im preparing to replace one engineer's centos4 box with slack64 [12:01] he say kde4.4 and said "oh wow." [12:01] *saw [12:01] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nramqkdthlltwshi) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [12:02] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:02] Zordrak: nice :) [12:03] i once got a software engineer to move from xp to 12.2... but he got a new job shortly after [12:03] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [12:03] this though is a step into the realm of the silicon engineers who already use linux.. just the wrong one :) [12:04] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.103.152) joined ##slackware. [12:04] but i bet they all get made redundant or find a new job two weeks after i convert them :) [12:05] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.78.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:05] or they put it on their resume and get a better job [12:06] :) [12:06] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:07] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:07] or get get fired because the spyware you wiped off their PC along with winXP is gone and the boss cant spy on em anymore [12:08] Pig_Pen: thankfully in this business I and I alone have complete control [12:09] jspider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Bye [12:09] voyeurware [12:10] metriccwrench (~ii@65.163.214.135) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:10] stinkytaco (~stinkytac@subnet-66-228.ideaone.net) left irc: Quit: stinkytaco [12:10] chrome-unstable kicks ass, btw. [12:10] pthcaw [12:10] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [12:10] *ptchaw [12:11] mootoob working OOTB, and it loads fast, too [12:12] adaptr: which version do you use? i've had good luck with chromium [12:13] ananke: the SBo one, 5.0.307.5-x86_64-1, which uses google-chrome-unstable [12:14] only oddity I have seen so far is that clicking a link in Konv or TB starts up Konqueror for a bit, then opens chrome [12:14] i'm on chromium 5.0.315.0, i'm very happy with this browser. and having extensions is a big plus [12:14] well, early days, but so far it's WAY faster than FF on long pages [12:15] alisonken1home: i wasn't nitpicking, i was explaining to someone who was confused. [12:17] the google voice extension is neat. highlight a number and select 'call' [12:17] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [12:17] and then what ? [12:17] and then you talk [12:17] I don't know google voice [12:18] adaptr: ahh. it calls one of your phone numbers, you pick up, and it calls the other party [12:18] xover (~xover@host86-160-171-236.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:18] ananke: interesting [12:18] ananke: do you have to have 3-way/conference call support for it to work/ [12:19] hackedhead: nope [12:19] the same kind of thing is built into android, btu that's already got access to the outgoing phone [12:19] this is just one of the things google voice does [12:19] so: webbrowse on phone, select number in webpage, it calls [12:19] Pig_Pen, was it you that had been setting up netdiscover? you don't plan on submitting a slackbuild for it? [12:20] s/that/who [12:20] hackedhead: actually, you don't need to use a web browser on your phone. this is just an extension for google chrome, to easily access google voice [12:20] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:20] ananke: i'm talking about a similar tech in android, not google voice though [12:21] ananke: i understand what you mean, i just thought it was interesting how similar they are [12:21] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] hackedhead: i see. so the only similarity is being able to select phone number :) yeah, iphone has similar function: highlight a number and call [12:21] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [12:22] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:22] ananke: i suspect though, that the chrome extension was an adaptation of what they did for android, since it was around first [12:22] anyways, neat! [12:23] Shannaaa (New@41.236.14.40) joined ##slackware. [12:23] google voice would have been great ten years ago or more: making free long distance phone calls [12:25] amyone got skype working on 64-current? [12:25] segfaulting on me [12:25] works for me [12:25] slava_dp: there is nothing to building it, three packages, libnet, libpcap and netdiscover, that app will make a bunch of noise on a lan if not run in passive mode [12:25] Zordrak: did you install compat32 packages ? [12:26] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Pig_Pen, kk, i'll do a slackbuild. i just like to have build scripts available for everything. [12:26] mario: yes. [12:26] i dont do slackbuilds unless i run in to something that is difficult to build, [12:27] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [12:27] mario: this is the newest skype which is technically beta... gonna try the ver in SBo [12:27] Zordrak: well it works here with fred's compat32 packages, and 64-current without any glitches [12:27] all three of those packages are super easy to build, i believe i only used --prefix=/usr on all three [12:27] Zordrak: 2.1.0.47 is what i have [12:27] hmm [12:27] this was 2.1.0.81 i think [12:27] oh theres newer one [12:28] Pig_Pen, i'm sure they are easy =) [12:28] i have skype 2.0.0.72 :-0 [12:28] its fresh 64 with multilib courtesy of bob and kde sc 4.4.0 [12:31] 2.0.0.72 doesnt segfault [12:31] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Action: slava_dp goes home. see you tomorrow everyone. [12:32] any CLI media players for slackware? [12:32] what can I use to play media files [12:32] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [12:32] newbie2010: mplayer [12:32] mplayer with aalib, or libcaca for color [12:34] you mean that i can just type maplayer from the command line and it'll paly! which just didn't happen. [12:34] even from su [12:35] well, you'll have to spell it right [12:35] lol [12:35] yes mplayer [12:36] here we go but doesn't change the fact that it didn't work [12:36] newbie2010: mplayer is NOT a default slackware package. install it from sbopkg or download from linuxpackages.net [12:37] guys i'm not runing startx [12:37] whahahah [12:37] well nicked, sir [12:37] fallen: yes it is [12:37] fallen: ... uhm ... you are absolutely wrong. Go get a clue. [12:37] newbie2010: you can still use mplayer even without X. there is vesa, svgalib, aa e caca for ascii art [12:37] fallen: and do *not* recommend linuxpackages .. kthxbai. [12:37] fallen: and do NOT refer people to lp.net... EVER [12:38] Zordrak: oh snap! [12:38] why. [12:38] BP{k}: dude. you trod on my sandwich. [12:38] if it works. [12:38] Action: adaptr takes a bite [12:38] ardya: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1095 <-- fallen. [12:39] im off home [12:39] ttfn [12:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:40] so sad to be using such a fast ssd on windows 7, microsoft didn't listen to me when i told them what i wanted. [12:40] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-212-107.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] we dont listen to you either [12:40] whats the diff [12:40] :) [12:40] they made a commercial saying they listened to me. [12:41] purchase ? what a load of teabaggers [12:41] hans't somebody headshot these morons yet ? [12:42] give me a gun, bullets and loads of courage [12:42] ##slackware-offtopic [12:42] no. I don't trust a newbie with a firearm [12:43] well then, give me those and don't turn you back to me [12:43] adaptr, you and your queen tea bagger need to be run over! [12:44] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:44] defend yourself adapter [12:46] he's just an adapter, he can't. [12:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:47] he kant but you kunt [12:48] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:48] back to the quiestion ,.... any default CLI media players on slackware? [12:48] mplayer [12:49] adapater: [default] [12:49] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:49] i'm a newbie for god sake [12:49] yes [12:49] default [12:49] thank god that i could make it myself to this channel [12:49] then you shouldhave put in th eDVD, selected Install ALL, and waited for it to finish. [12:49] apparently, you didn't [12:50] didn't I? [12:50] well, if I can make dvds on linux why would I ask you such easy questions... [12:50] wake up dude [12:50] lol [12:51] pufffffffffff [12:52] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.156.244.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:52] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] . [12:55] coco_ (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:56] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:56] coco_ (coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [12:57] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] guys! don't make me feel guilty that my questions are intrrupting your conversations !!@!! [12:59] stinkytaco (~stinkytac@subnet-64-17.ideaone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] fuk slackware I'm so in love with it although it's not an easy job for a newbie [12:59] newbie2010: http://slackbook.org and do a /topic [12:59] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.43.70) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:00] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [13:00] if all you have is a hammer then all problems look like a nail [13:00] troll? [13:00] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [13:00] hahahahah [13:00] Pig_Pen: i wish it was always that simple because i'd only carry a hammer.. A really large hammer. [13:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] Pig_Pen: have you seen the movie "Up!"? [13:01] yeah, with dagger like claw in the back [13:01] newbie2010 (~newbie201@41.252.43.70) joined ##slackware. [13:01] no [13:01] good movie? [13:01] I don't watch movies [13:01] I think they dilude you [13:01] make you apatic and unbeliever [13:01] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.7.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:02] someone tell me how to watch INKHEART using a CLI default slackware media player!!! [13:02] they destroy the sense of instinc and intuitive [13:02] Pig_Pen: yeah, it is. But there are these dogs that easily get distracted from squirrel's. They will talk than then go, .. SQUIRREL!!!! [13:02] an unbeliever in what Patero-ng ? [13:02] Pig_Pen: So how ar... NAIL!!! [13:02] like [13:02] when I use to speak of ufos 2 years ago on some chat [13:02] they usualy releate my findings to movie scenes [13:02] and since I didn't watch movies I thouyght these people are trolls [13:02] soon I learn most people watch movies and is common for people to speak like taht [13:03] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.7.64) joined ##slackware. [13:03] well, i'm positive i'm from another planet [13:03] Patero-ng: i think you're crazy, please go check yourself in to your local insane asylum [13:03] Pig_Pen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaAxzIFgNso lol. ahaha [13:03] Pig_Pen: just so you know what i'm talking about. [13:04] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [13:04] hello guys [13:04] ill have to look for that when i browse the TV guide listings [13:04] well is not like I never seem a movie but I dont' watch 3 movies a week is what I meant [13:04] don't remind me people ... we no more able to access youtube from here [13:04] they have banned it [13:04] is it possible to configure syslog to omit the logging of a certain program that just won't shut up [13:04] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:05] Shannaaa (New@41.236.14.40) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:05] goarilla: you can /dev/null anything you please [13:05] Carooliinaa (LaDy@41.236.13.171) joined ##slackware. [13:05] can't do that [13:05] u need roo password? [13:05] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:05] its agetty that needs to shut up [13:06] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:07] stinkytaco (~stinkytac@subnet-64-17.ideaone.net) left irc: Quit: stinkytaco [13:07] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [13:08] can i plugin a serial console willy-nilly or do i need to halt plug it in and start up again ? [13:09] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:09] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-2-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [13:09] hi guys [13:10] hello metrofox [13:10] hi newbie2010 [13:10] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:11] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:14] another stupid question ... is there a way to convert a huge sized ms .mdb file into mysql table? [13:15] using slackware of course [13:15] Do u guys think Slackware is the most securable OS [13:15] newbie2010: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=convert+mdb+to+mysql [13:16] Patero-ng: it's the most loveble to me [13:16] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Patero-ng: actually it depends by you [13:17] I remember someone talked to me about he can hack someone on windows 98 using slackware [13:17] like in 1999 [13:17] Patero-ng, no [13:17] I didn't habve a clue about using linux I thought is probably too hard to use [13:18] Patero-ng: you can hack everyone with an iphone... if you can of course [13:18] or with a citophone [13:19] I have a cord called phone tap [13:19] *interphone LOL [13:19] I wonder if I can listen to others voices by pusshing onto the cord [13:19] shit ... who can hack who with an Interphone? [13:19] I bought it for like 25C on a cecond hand store [13:20] i can hack freight trains by putting my ear to a railroad track, i can hack cowboys and indians by putting my ear to the ground too [13:20] just call me hacksaw cause i can hack anything [13:20] hacking is old [13:20] Patero-ng: i think you should do some research about security. if it's about a firewall type, then it's just as good as the next linux. However it doesn't come with anything preconfigured, so if you haven't do so yet and aren't natted already behind a firewall then you should configure it on your slackware box. [13:21] I know the romans hacked onto the barberians siege weapons using falcons [13:21] Patero-ng: as for as program security, Pat has no control over that. However when security updates are released to the public, Pat then gives it to us to update. [13:21] Action: agentc0re facepalm [13:23] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.13) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [13:24] agentc0re: luckily [13:25] metrofox: ? [13:25] hi [13:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:26] a lot of systems do get hacked or used to get hacked by lax or misconfiguration [13:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@83.225.75.239) joined ##slackware. [13:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@83.225.75.239) left irc: Changing host [13:27] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Carooliinaa (LaDy@41.236.13.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:30] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:30] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:30] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:31] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:34] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [13:34] how do i make google look for 'foo bar' but not foo bladasdas bar ? [13:34] dudes [13:34] i'm using single quotes, but it doesnt seem to listen [13:35] then use another search engine [13:35] acidchild: "foo bar" [13:35] double quotes [13:35] Action: NyteOwl contemplates putting Debian on his laptop now that the new HDD has arrived [13:35] ah, durh [13:36] thanks agentc0re [13:36] acidchild: ltns, how gos it? [13:36] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-172-144.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [13:36] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:36] if google fails u can use other search engino [13:36] not bad thanks, yourself? [13:36] I could complain but who'd lsiten ? :) [13:36] Patero-ng (coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:36] not bad actually :) [13:37] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [13:38] hehe [13:39] . [13:39] I press a boton and boom [13:39] jeje [13:39] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:40] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:40] re [13:40] erre [13:40] right. [13:40] I have problem with returning from Suspend to RAM on my ThinkPad T21 [13:40] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:40] everything works fine except sound [13:40] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.28) joined ##slackware. [13:40] I have to rmmod, modprobe again and do alsactl restore [13:40] mac: looked @ thinkwiki ? [13:40] mac [13:40] yep [13:40] the sound drivere [13:40] use full duplex [13:41] or add more buffer [13:41] hm ? [13:41] how can I check if it use full duplex ? [13:41] on the sound system [13:41] if worst comes to worst, you can automate the rmmod and modprobe of the sound-driver [13:41] sound system is the manager for sound [13:41] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [13:41] pseudonymous: I`ve tried it, but got return that module is in use [13:41] tha't not a solution but a work around [13:41] :/ [13:41] mac-, I had the same problem with my T21 [13:42] yea [13:42] restart [13:42] and retry [13:42] dive: and ? you solve it in any way ? [13:42] I ahd the XPerience that changes work after restart or reboot [13:42] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] I use to do alotta Temaspeako [13:42] mac-, I didn't find any solution except to make a custom suspend script that rmmod and modprobed the sound modules [13:42] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:42] dive: how ? [13:43] before entering to suspend ? [13:43] no after resuming [13:43] hm [13:43] after ? [13:43] that's remove the driver and enabling [13:43] dive i do lots of stuff like that, my PC is held together with duct tape and bailing wire [13:43] but if I try to remove it during resume I`ve got 'module is in use' [13:44] mac-, you must rmmod them in the correct order [13:44] and if you are using kde you might have problems [13:44] you can always hook stuff up to suspend by having a look at /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh .. To see which modules use which, use lsmod [13:44] no, I`m working on Openbox, T21 is too old to handle KDE [13:46] Action: NyteOwl has XFCE on his A20M [13:46] or did before the HD crashed [13:48] Action: pseudonymous thinks fluxbox is teh awesome [13:48] how i can upgrade to kde 4.4 in Slackware x86 [13:49] I don'tknow [13:49] Blue_Slacker86: it's been up quite a few times today :) you can't. They most likely won't build KDE 4.4 due to some dependency on PAM in policykit (did I get the names right?) [13:49] they usually say get a new version of the distro [13:49] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:50] what are Non-cyclic links? [13:50] another stupid question ... how to stop run command [alt f2] from suggesting me with I'm going to type? I don't want its help. [13:50] m, I will try to rmmod some more modules [13:50] :/ [13:50] maybe there is a problem as dive said [13:51] brb [13:51] B1ST (~overdose@d51A57D1D.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [13:51] that's on reqason GNOME was dropped - a dependency on PAM [13:51] Blue_Slacker86: http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.0/ [13:52] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Our resident alien saved the day. [13:53] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:53] TheGroove [13:53] TheGroove:tnx [13:53] anyone mind telling me why it is that PAM is roughly equated to the "great beast" in the slackware world ? [13:54] PAM is PATs evil twin [13:55] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:55] Pat doesn't like PAM [13:55] why [13:56] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:56] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:56] I forget now - the reason was posted a long time ago now [13:57] hm, after woke up got that this module is used by 2 after lsmod, but nothing more there :/ [13:57] this has been discussed for ages. I am sure some google-fu will help. [13:57] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:58] chess, what is the alternative to PAM then, what is it that it conflicts with ? Maybe then I'll have an easier time on google [13:58] Pat has even discussed it in the ChangeLog, IIRC. Maybe around 2001 or 2002? I can't remember that far. [13:59] how can I list usage of modules in other way than lsmod ? [14:00] I just did 'lsmod | grep snd' and went from there - worked out an order to rmmod them [14:00] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@83.225.75.239) joined ##slackware. [14:00] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@83.225.75.239) left irc: Changing host [14:00] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [14:01] 9.1 changelog. google works wonders. :D http://pastebin.com/d75b36e5a [14:01] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:02] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:02] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:03] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] I have a radio program [14:04] when suspend durong xmms play then after resume got module is in use [14:04] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:04] and looks like xmms blocking this module [14:04] but how do that to xmms starts to play again after resume ? :) [14:04] yeah you will need to close all sound apps [14:05] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:05] mac-, I don't think it will work like that [14:05] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [14:06] pseudonymous: I have no idea as I have never had the need for pam. shadow? nss-ldap? [14:07] Slightly OT: Anyone know how to do date artithmetic in shell scripts using BSD date? [14:07] Alan_Hicks: i usually convert to epoch and back [14:08] there's a format string for it, %s i think [14:08] GooseYArd: Not a bad idea. [14:08] Thanks. [14:08] then you can just use let="whatever" [14:08] np [14:08] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] eh? oh [14:09] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:09] ehehe [14:09] Action: epoch tips hat & goes back to work [14:10] i have a little perl program that uses date::manip to parse human readable dates, I ought to make it evaluate expressions [14:10] Speaking of epoch http://xkcd.com/376/ [14:10] ;) [14:11] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:12] i think we should use the unix epoch as the new year measuring system. [14:12] i mean this birth of christ thing is dated. [14:12] akSeya (~bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-bgfhizmlggunjkjh) joined ##slackware. [14:12] and besides, they say he wasnt even born at that time! [14:13] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Romans [14:14] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:14] they did our calendar [14:14] Azalyn and unix > christ anyway [14:14] Azalyn, I suggest changing bc to bu (birth of unix) [14:14] or before unix [14:15] not sure about ad though [14:15] the sudo calendar [14:15] right then, let's form a church of unix and crusade against apple as the heathens that got it all wrong. [14:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:15] u guys are comming with good ideas of freedom [14:16] could always use discordian calendar of course [14:16] Today is Boomtime, the 42nd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3176 [14:16] id like metric time while we're at it [14:17] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@2002:5f8f:c090::2525) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Blue-Slacker86 (~blue@2002:5f8f:c090::2525) left irc: Client Quit [14:19] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:20] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Quit: POF! [14:22] metric time? heh [14:23] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:24] pseudonymous: check out Church of the Sub-Genius :) [14:25] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:25] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] All hail Bob! [14:26] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:26] hmm no more security updates for XP/SP2 after July 13 [14:26] they stopping support? [14:26] thats microsoft's way of making everybody buy new software [14:27] yup, they've done it for years - and it works [14:27] a retail copy of win 7 here isn $350 [14:27] to be fair, they have supported it for 9 years. that's a long time. [14:27] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:28] chess: yes it is but on the other hand can you imagine buying a car and having the company say we won't service it anymore once it's 5 years old? [14:28] Yea, it seems only fair to stop supporting it by now. It wasn't meant to live this long anyway. [14:28] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:29] its bugs will live on as long as there is a WIndows OS [14:29] that's all that really matters, isn't it ? [14:29] NyteOwl, it's completely impossible to compare years in the IT industry to years in the car industry. I doubt many people can service 20 year old IT equipment though many can service cars from that time [14:29] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Karu (~alch@78-28-75-86.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:30] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] i could take a Model T ford to the ford dealership and have anything i need done to it, regardless if the warrenty expired many years ago [14:30] pseudonymous: crap. 20 year old IT equipment isn't hard to service. It is easier than many new stuff if the companies didn't deliberately make it difficult [14:30] B1ST (~overdose@d51A57D1D.access.telenet.be) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:30] hey there [14:30] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:30] I have an XT still running. service isn;t a problem for it [14:30] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [14:31] embedded systems in industrial control are often far older than "consumer" equivalents. They still get serviced [14:31] guys.. i have a little problem here.. there is one DHCP server on my network, i'm creating a PXE Image server.. [14:32] so.. i need to pass some parameters if someone is trying to boot with PXE, else, take the IP from the existing server... [14:32] NyteOwl, then go back a bit further if you'd like. Cars from the last fifty years should be reasonably ok to get service for. Not so for IT. Not many bother. I met a programmer the other day who started out on punch-cards, how many do you think still know how those things were done back then ? [14:32] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [14:32] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:33] I stgarted out on punch cards and paper tape :p [14:33] oh christ you're old [14:33] :D [14:33] Punch cards are still in use in the mainframe world :) Just not as mainstream as they used to be :) [14:34] is it somehow possible? [14:34] IBM Fortan cards FTW! [14:34] My fist electronic computer experience was an old IBM 470 and a System/3 [14:35] and the first language I learned to program in was Ten Statement FORTRAN :) [14:35] How was pre-civilization life ? Were your people nomadic in nature ? :P [14:36] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-220-099.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:38] yup, a steady migrastion from the keypunch room tho the room with the card reader (size of a Mini cooper) and line printer, and to the console to check error codes and the coffee machine for a caffeine fix. [14:38] repeat as necessary :) [14:39] and for all that's sacred DON't drop the card deck [14:39] ;) [14:40] Heheh I can imagine that being a pain :P [14:40] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:40] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:41] it is. I speak from experience :) For a major program with several hundred cards it can take hours to put it back in order [14:42] NyteOwl, my 1st electronic computer experience was an i7 that i got yesterday, xD [14:42] eldragon: enjoy! the first is always special regardless :) [14:42] nvision (~nvision@g229053054.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:43] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:43] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-45-80.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:43] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:44] I would love some more comparisons betweent he I7's and AMD's Phenon II's on Linux. On windows, there's a clear gap but it seems it may come down to the usage of intels compiler which optimizes only if you're using an intel processor. But since linux users primarily use gcc I wonder how things look here [14:44] metric time? [14:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [14:44] you mean minutes being 100 seconds or something? [14:44] instead of 60? [14:44] and an hour would be 100 minutes [14:44] that would be fun, hehe [14:45] hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:46] _hxd (~hxd@unaffiliated/hxd) joined ##slackware. [14:46] pseudonymous: the i7 is a lot faster than the phenom II [14:46] The Phenom II is comparable to the Core 2 line [14:46] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-230.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:47] in most cases the difference in such benchmarks disappears in most real world applications. Msot desktop machines sit idle most of the time [14:51] If I'd ever get a new stationary CPU, it would be mainly for compiling software [14:51] So it would sort of matter to me :) [14:51] in price/performance though, the phenom is a better buy. [14:51] my phenom ii x4 955 compiles gcc in 4-5 minutes [14:51] anything faster is depressing [14:51] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:51] s/is/will be/ [14:52] lol [14:52] what exactly is the difference between the phenom2 and athlon2 lines? [14:52] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] they seem identical [14:52] cpu at 25°C right now (idle), waiting for rsync to finish [14:52] This QX9650 will do me for a while [14:53] Camarade_Tux: damn that hit home.. I'm compiling gcc over and over and over again atm on a CULV 1.3 gHz which takes around 30 mins or so (Haven't timed it, but seems like it) [14:53] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.156.244.81) joined ##slackware. [14:53] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:53] anyway, I bought my phenom because it's a quad-core and I wasn't after Core iX' shared-cache model [14:54] (so it scales well with the number of processes, not necessarily threads) [14:54] the intel chips are "two cpu dies with two cores each on one package" right? [14:54] they used to be [14:54] so all four cores are on one die with the i7 ? [14:54] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders why slackware.no is slow [14:54] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] wooooot! I can finally ping schroedingers.cat! \o/ [14:55] Azalyn: I think so [14:55] by the way, are those benchmarks of i7 *with* hyperthreading? [14:55] the ones where it supposedly smokes the phenom? [14:55] most likely [14:55] Has anyone had their Slackware64-13.0 system resuspend within the first minute of resuming? [14:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:55] and with the feature that overclocks a core when others are idle [14:55] hyperthreading is cheating in my opinion. i hate it. i remember a test that showed that hyperthreading uses more power than an entire extra core would. [14:55] After the hicup, it will resume and run fine. But I'd like to not have to open the lid, wait for it to resuspend, and then press the power button in order to use it. [14:55] it's wasteful [14:56] i would disable it if it was my box. [14:56] Camarade_Tux: hadn't heard of that. but sounds like yet another dirty hack. [14:56] hyperthreading gives a real gain: usually around 15-30% [14:56] i wonder what the performance would be without hyperthreading or whatever that overclocking thing is. [14:57] at least amd is smoking both intel and nvidia in GPU performance though. [14:57] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:57] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [14:57] price, net performance, performance-per-watt, as far as i've read, the radeon hd 5xxx line is smoking the competition every which way. [14:57] I don't know if it's a dirty hack but I don't care since I'm not going to run single-threaded/process cpu-intensive apps [14:58] for ati/amd: definitely [14:58] Camarade_Tux: well, to each their own. i'm just saying what my preference is. [14:58] i hope all this ati opensource work matures soon. [14:58] and gallium/kms/ttm/dri2/etc also.. [14:59] well, I'm really happy with my phenom-based system: the kernel doesn't complain about anything and it's fast (and not sure a core i7 would be faster than it for my workloads) [14:59] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:59] Azalyn: the open-source drivers are very good [14:59] they can improve of course but they're already usable [14:59] well, more than usable actually [15:00] can they do half-life 2 ? :P [15:00] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] _maybe_ [15:00] (hey, at least i'm not asking for crysis!) [15:00] through a VM or wine? [15:01] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [15:01] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:02] wine. [15:02] a vm would have more overhead [15:02] so not really a realistic expectation. [15:03] of course. but vmware and virtualbox both are working on(and have in some state) direct3d emulation [15:03] and i was thinking that you probably can't really play half-life2 or other source engine games online through wine because of VAC2 [15:03] wine is more realistic. and as i understand, the d3d->ogl translation layer mostly introduces overhead at loading time, once the game is actually running, in theory there shouldn't be much issues. although that is assuming ideal optimization. [15:03] oh, not true. [15:03] i've played team fortress 2 many times in wine [15:04] you won't get banned with wine? or are you connecting to servers not running it? [15:04] with the nvidia drivers though [15:04] no, i've connected to servers that have it [15:04] ah. interesting. [15:04] i see the VAC shield and everything. [15:04] right. [15:04] Action: NaCl returns [15:04] you're probably thinking of punkbuster, which doesnt work as far as i know. [15:04] well, punkbuster of course won't [15:04] because it has kernel modules [15:04] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:05] well, eventually it might. wine has an ntoskrnl implementation specifically for things like that. [15:05] right now they've used it to get safedisc working [15:05] and securom too [15:05] but not all versions of those are working [15:05] spmd (~loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:05] all but the latest major versions i'd assume? [15:06] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:06] yes. but still, it is a long-term goal to get it in there. the idea for wine is that they have to be compatible with the windows platform. [15:07] since it's a rewrite of windows, they try to follow windows' eccentricities and mimic the behavior as close as possible in every respect. although they do it in a clean and maintainable way. [15:07] and in C, instead of C++ [15:07] "and in C, instead of C++"? [15:08] well, windows is mostly c++ as i understand [15:08] wine is pure C [15:08] i think you are mistaken [15:08] A lot of it is in C. [15:08] I don't think there is much of a difference between C and C++ and windows. [15:08] MFC is C++, but that is just a library built on top of the Windows API which is in C [15:08] and all ring0 code is C in windows [15:09] i thought all the userland libraries were C++ [15:09] zaltekk: does MS have a C compiler? [15:09] Azalyn: none of the system. [15:09] NaCl: the Visual Studio compiler can be set to C only mode. i don't know how standard compliant it is or is not, though. [15:10] Alright. [15:10] well, regardless, wine is pure C. even if some library is C++ in windows, the wine equivalent, if it exists, is C. [15:10] that's what i meant. [15:10] right. [15:11] theblackbox (~sammo@92.25.71.168) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:11] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [15:11] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:12] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:12] hm, so apparently, athlon2 is just a phenom2 without the L3 cache. [15:12] theblackerbox (~sammo@92.25.71.168) joined ##slackware. [15:13] iirc, that's mostly the difference [15:14] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:15] i see a lot has changed , i last used wine with slackware 7 [15:15] wine has gotten really good [15:15] gonna download it when i get home today =)))) [15:15] don't use wine 1.0 though: use more recent version [15:15] wine is always good once it matures ;) [15:16] lol [15:16] xsamurai remember you either need a 32bit system or a multilib setup to get it running though [15:16] these days, a lot of stuff is running even on launch. [15:17] Or soon thereafter.. For casual gamers things are looking quite good [15:17] yeah, wine64 will only run win64 apps, and it also needs gcc-4.4 which is only in -current [15:17] Drakevr_ (~drakevr@athedsl-406659.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:17] d3d9 seems to still be a bit slow, i think it's because of the shaders.. must not be optimized enough yet. [15:17] It works fine on my machine. [15:17] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:18] I have relatively new hardware, though [15:18] yeah, i'm using a geforce 7900gs [15:18] pretty old [15:18] RadeonHD 5770 [15:18] but it should be able to handle hl2 [15:18] Speed-wise there's a lot left to do. Annoyingly Cedega performs heaps better with directX 9 stuff *when* it actually runs. [15:18] heh [15:18] NaCl: you using proprietary drivers? [15:18] does wine work with them? [15:18] yes [15:18] and yes [15:18] pseudonymous: Cedega is one of those subscription-based "improvements" of wine? [15:18] hm... really.. [15:19] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:19] have you played hl2 with that setup? [15:19] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:19] i've been thinking of getting a 5770 actually [15:19] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] there was a free release of cedega but i never installed it [15:19] the MSI Hawk 5770 which launched recently [15:19] most stores don't have it yet [15:19] but it's a pretty badass card [15:19] Azalyn: I've played Warcraft 3 and Counter-Strike on a Geforce 2 Ti [15:20] So a GeForce 7900 is more than enough [15:20] Azalyn: I have not tried to play it in Linux. [15:20] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] zaltekk: yup. Started off as "winex" due to a disagreement between the winex devs and wine as well as their wish to make money off of their work (and the work of wine, obviously). Nowadays it's called Cedega and it's largely neglected in favour of their other project called Cider which really just is the same wine(x) codebase [15:20] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:20] vhann_: HL2 is more demanding though [15:20] Azalyn: I have, however, have gotten Neverwinter Nights 2 working [15:21] the genious thing though is that with cider, they act as a port company. Bringing heaps of EA games to the mac platform, sadly, the linux users are completely shafted. [15:21] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:21] that's odd [15:21] if ATI is working good with wine these days, then i may have no reasons to hold back from upgrading. heh [15:21] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [15:22] i've already made a decision to no longer buy nvidia, ever since AMD announced their opensource strategy. [15:22] Azalyn: the ATI gui tool is still giving me trouble [15:22] i'll never buy ati [15:22] heh, it uses mono, right? [15:22] Nick change: Drakevr_ -> Drakevr [15:22] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:22] theres never been a worse organization for providing drivers [15:22] Drakevr (~drakevr@athedsl-406659.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [15:22] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Nick change: ThomasLocke_ -> ThomasLocke [15:23] Azalyn: no [15:23] I had to configure xorg.conf to get everything working [15:23] Or mess with randr [15:23] vhann_: I think I saw and article where they did the same thing (used a GF2 or GF3) for a bunch of games, the reason why it ran better than it would have on Windows was that wine offloads a lot of work to the cpu instead so having a weak graphics card wasn't as big of a deal as it was on windows. [15:23] Skywise: same here [15:24] ati/amd are the only ones supporting opensource for discrete graphics though. [15:24] pseudonymous: I used that card on a PIII 900MHz so... [15:24] all you get with nvidia is a binary blob. [15:24] the long-term potential of ati is greater since the documentation is public. [15:24] and nvidia will work and ati will have you pulling your hair [15:24] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:24] vhann_: wow :P [15:24] Azalyn: works wonderfully out of the box [15:24] i'll wait till ati gets their crap together [15:24] Action: NaCl notes that it works for me. [15:24] that would be true if ati could do such a job well, but they can't [15:25] Nvidia cards don't always work wonderfully. In general graphics is a pain in Linux [15:25] i'd rather not support a company like nvidia that won't release their documentation. [15:25] I've learned that "works for me" doesn't always mean much. [15:25] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [15:25] Skywise: Sure... when they update their drivers fast enough to follow kernel ABI changes that is [15:25] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:25] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [15:25] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:25] NaCl: so does putting on underwear, works for me [15:25] vhann_: which they do [15:25] ati drivers are bad in windows too [15:26] Every month [15:26] pprkut: They recently updated their drivers [15:26] Skywise: no. [15:26] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] they used to be, like in 2001 [15:26] heh [15:26] but that isn't true now. [15:26] pprkut: they support the kernel in -current [15:26] i haven't had trouble in windows [15:26] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:26] with ati [15:26] pprkut: Plus, they didn't update the legacy driver in a long time if I'm not mistaken [15:26] you're a minority in that respect [15:26] the last ati release was a disaster [15:26] o well, it goes back to whatever floats your boat [15:27] vhann_: legacy drivers were updated a few weeks ago [15:27] it was just 2 weeks ago [15:27] awhile back they rewrote the entire opengl stack from scratch to fix issues with the older legacy stack [15:27] they follow the specs now. [15:27] When you find a GFX card that actually *works* in linux without wierd, obscure issues. Hold on to it for dear life [15:27] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:27] i could say that the people having problems are the "minority" too... [15:27] fglrx works for me. Most of the time. [15:28] Like when I try to switch terminals while X is up. [15:28] No matter the brand. I've had unpleasant times with nvidia and even intel too. [15:28] bleh: keymaps in qemu can be really annoying [15:28] NaCl: they even "unofficially" support 2.6.33rc kernels [15:28] pseudonymous: almost all nvidia cards i've used in the last 10 years [15:28] pprkut: by what? [15:28] NaCl: rephrase please :) [15:28] what is required to support the 2.6.33 rc kernels? [15:29] the newest beta driver [15:29] 10.1? [15:29] as i understand, fglrx uses more of the open graphics stack than nvidia does. [15:29] NaCl: oooh, I'm talking about nvidia :) [15:29] where as nvidia has written the entire stack themselves [15:29] pragma_: oh [15:29] bah [15:29] pprkut, rather [15:30] syncing with all of that is tricky. [15:30] p4s4l (~geo@athedsl-159862.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:30] the truth is the nvidia drivers are also problematic. right now nothing is full-featured. [15:30] my card is supposed to support purevideo, in windows it would support it. [15:31] but in linux, vdpau only exposes the functionality on later model cards [15:31] hmmm, vdpau works [15:31] well, for me [15:31] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] yeah but not on geforce 7 [15:31] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:31] because apparently, the hardware did it differently in the 7 series [15:31] and vdpau is designed for the 'new' way [15:31] purevideo != vdpau [15:31] yeah, I remembered that only after I sent my message ;-) [15:32] 00anybody want to buy a drumkit? heh [15:33] and i've been having memory leaks that seem like nothing but the nvidia drivers could be at fault.. it's often with 3D stuff.. it causes memory leaks.. X just starts using like more and more.. then after a few weeks you're up to like 80% memory usage for X alone. [15:33] typical with binary blobs. [15:33] Action: NyteOwl got pissed an nVidia loooooong time ago [15:33] mmm, weeks? [15:33] s/an/at/ [15:33] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:33] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [15:33] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [15:34] yeah, maybe two weeks. it depends how much you've used 3d or video-intensive stuff during that time [15:34] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.103.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:34] you say, you let your desktop system run for weeks? [15:34] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:34] SOUL_OF_R00T (~1001@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:34] I do that: I put it to sleep and wake it later on [15:34] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:35] i usually whisper in its port before i wake mine up [15:35] at some point it'll get serious and you won't be able to run many apps.. and you'll run into the "mouse locks up and can't be moved" thing... or it just is so slow that the cursor is jumping around and lagging [15:35] caress the keyboard a little [15:35] pprkut: is there a problem with that...? :| [15:35] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:35] no, was just wondering :) [15:35] I have that... when my machine runs out of memory. [15:35] It's usually Opera hogging things up. [15:35] you should turn off all that gui nonsense and run a manly 2d window manager [15:36] i've had desktop systems running for over 6 months before. [15:36] Action: GooseYArd gestures obscenely at 3d [15:36] Lafy (~matt@CPE000fcb36ca0d-CM00122540231e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] although i've had to kill X during that time a few times [15:36] maybe once every month, X needs to be spanked. [15:36] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:36] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:37] any idea why a computer would work fine for 5 minutes and then become completely unresponsive for a minute, then work for a couple minutes? (fresh slackware install, not even running X yet) [15:37] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-230.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:37] lafy: i'd start with dmesg [15:37] Azalyn: I trust nvidia more than the x.org developers. I would rather suspect the memory leak somewhere in the x.org stack than in their driver [15:37] pprkut: hmmm [15:38] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Lafy, see what your load average is [15:38] pprkut: heh, well, it's the opposite here. i trust what is out in the open, for all to see and examine, far more than some blob that no one can look at. [15:38] Maybe run top for a while and see if something pops up when it happens. [15:38] core i7 + nvidia 270 gtx runs perfect for me [15:39] call me crazy, but to me that is just common sense. [15:39] x.org was a mess, and it still is in cases. And most developers being employed by Intel doesn't help there, as their driver clearly shows [15:39] pprkut: maybe x.org isn't perfect but I'm not sure nvidia is better [15:39] Azalyn: it's a logical perspective. However, I've had Nvidia for years and they've shown huge dedication, moreso than ATI with their "here, have 20 DVDs of source code, now figure it out yourself". [15:40] Camarade_Tux: I didn't say better, I said I trust them more :) [15:40] i haven't installed any services. it's a pentium M, i'll just be logged into an ftp or something, or telnet and it'll stop responding to input for a minute [15:40] correction. *X* was a mess.. and the XFree86 project didn't help much by just causing it to stagnate. [15:40] what the hell are you guys doing with all these video cards anyway? [15:40] i'm not sure how i would check the load while it's locked up [15:40] Compositing my ass off. [15:40] i have some random pos card and it works fine [15:40] GooseYArd: watching pr0n on 10 monitors [15:40] xsamurai: ahah [15:40] superb [15:40] Action: GooseYArd awards xsamurai a gold star [15:41] pprkut: well, I don't trust any (I don't know any X dev) but at least with x.org, I'm not stuck [15:41] TheGroove: I don't understand why "proprietary" efforts can be seen as "dedication" where as handing over documentation or source code is viewed as a bad thing. I mean, source code and/or docs is what we've *WANTED* all these years [15:41] (remember I'm running nouveau :-) ) [15:41] Camarade_Tux: hows that compared to the nvidia drivers ? [15:41] nouvea is ati cards, correct? [15:41] "give us the docs and stay out of our way. if you want to help, sure, but otherwise, gtfo" [15:41] Azalyn: it's not a bad thing. I never said that. I would very much like to see nvidia opening up their drivers [15:42] pprkut: i was responding to TheGroove specifically. [15:42] oops, my bad :) [15:42] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Azalyn: point is, writing a graphics driver is a whole different ballgame than writing some random twitter app. While I think it's a good thing to release source, I respect all the trouble nvidia goes through to keep up with changes, they're willing to take the consequences. And the state of ATI vs. Nvidia currently on Linux is telling. [15:43] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:43] This might change in a few years... [15:43] xsamurai: well, you shouldn't use it with xorg-server-1.6, it has serious perf issues, I'd say it's more stable however [15:43] OR ATI will be behind forever because no one can dedicate the resources to actually figure it out. [15:43] I have KMS so I have 1280x800 ttys, suspend works [15:43] Action: NyteOwl has no problems with ATI and Linux [15:43] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:44] TheGroove: right, because the linux kernel, which has all but destroyed proprietary unix, is equivalent to some "random twitter app" [15:44] perf is mostly ok, maybe even good (I have a constant 10% cpu usage however [on a slow cpu]) [15:44] Azalyn: hm? No [15:44] akSeya (~bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-bgfhizmlggunjkjh) left irc: Quit: Page closed [15:44] there are plenty of opensource projects that rival the complexity of a 3D driver [15:44] and have been successful [15:44] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7652.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:44] the implication that 3D is "too hard" is just unfounded. [15:44] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.141.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] nvidia has been pushing that same fud [15:44] The source is wide open. Tell me why ATI is in the state it is today? [15:44] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I'm open to explanations. [15:45] they actually tried to say awhile back that the public did not have the "skills" to design a driver for nvidia hardware. they're so full of themselves. [15:45] TheGroove: well, first of all, you have a misconception here.. [15:45] there is no "wide open source" [15:45] AMD never released any source code [15:45] Nvidia never hid the fact that they want to keep things proprietary. [15:45] they released *documentation* on how to write the source code [15:45] maybe ATI's hardware is crap and AMD/ATI has not figured out that you cant fix crappy hardware with drivers/software [15:46] kaifan (Kai@201.148.43.226) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Azalyn: nvidia respects the efforts of nouveau, and they stated that they are doing a damn well job [15:46] nvidia has given many excuses on "wny" they want to keep things proprietary though. [15:46] many which make no sense. [15:46] Azalyn: ok... but that just reconfirms my conception that AMD is simply offloading their workload to the community, which apparently can't handle it. [15:46] pprkut: someone else told me that. but i havent seen it. do you have a link to the mailing list where that happened? [15:46] i heard it was a message on a list. heh [15:46] i'd like to see it with my own eyes [15:46] Azalyn: are these press releases or speculation on slashdot? [15:46] Azalyn: phoronix made an interview [15:47] TheGroove: which part specifically? [15:47] neo12 (anonymous@cpc2-chwo1-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware. [15:47] The excuses about keeping things proprietary. [15:47] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Azalyn: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_qa_linux&num=1 [15:47] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:47] Pig_Pen: it works for realtek. [15:48] johnel (~user@80.175.117.13) joined ##slackware. [15:48] hi [15:48] realtek is shitty hardware. [15:49] has anybody tried using portage on slackwaere? [15:49] why would we? [15:49] wth [15:49] TheGroove: they were interviews. nvidia has been asked many times about "why", and they've given excuses. they have said a few times that they "just want it like that" or whatever.. but other times they say "oh we licensed this and that.." and one time they said that no one out there had the skills to handle it. [15:49] (but I think that has been done) [15:49] nvision (~nvision@g229053054.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:50] johnel: i wouldnt recommend it [15:50] Azalyn: don't get me wrong, but I wasn't asking for a summarized anecdote, I was asking for quotes. [15:50] johnel: stick with slackpkg and sbopkg (for 3rd party pkgs) [15:50] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [15:50] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: \o\ /o/ \o/ [15:50] There was a project started in 2004 but seems to have stalled. Just wondered if it was tried recently [15:51] Karu (alch@78-28-75-86.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:51] also, "offloading their workload to the community" is not the current issue.. i mean to their credit, the community has been asking for the docs, and many community members, and even companies that support opensource, have said they'd contribute. you don't expect them to rewrite every single line of code from scratch, right? a video driver alone is nearly as complex as the entire linux kernel. [15:51] i can not use xfce with startx xfce what can i use it [15:51] johnel: no , and nobody in their right mind would molest their system using that [15:51] it's just a matter of time [15:51] you're just impatient. [15:51] :) [15:52] Azalyn: I'm not impatient at all, I've been a happy nvidia customer for more than a decade :) [15:52] People usually say I'm not in my right mind! [15:52] Azalyn: yep matter of time, till then i'll stick with the blobs , maybe nvidia might wake up and go open source [15:52] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [15:52] sloin (~4e88a2cc@gateway/web/freenode/x-nujveihbobyjfusu) joined ##slackware. [15:52] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:53] the implication that 3D is "too hard" is just unfounded. -- a video driver alone is nearly as complex as the entire linux kernel. [15:53] yeah, well. i think it's reasonable to ask for full-disclosure when it comes to kernelmode components. [15:53] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [15:53] TheGroove: yes, and the linux kernel is opensource, hence, not "too hard" for the community to handle. [15:54] The kernel is backed by tons of cash. [15:54] xsamurai: I use a custom install of the slax distro. I thought portage would be useful to compile stuff from source [15:54] Devs are employed to work on it. [15:54] it functioned just fine when it wasnt "backed by tons of cash" [15:54] This is what AMD needs to do if they want to keep up. [15:54] johnel: no, not supported and its been dead the day it started [15:54] and by the way.. the 3d stuff that is in development right now, IS backed by cash [15:55] gallium was started by a company [15:55] and is developed by that company [15:55] Yes, but is AMD paying for it? On a scale comparable to what Nvidia is spending? [15:55] hey, I'm trying to set multiple IPs to one NIC, it's working up to 4 additional ones, then I'm getting http://pastebin.com/m6c4f3c03 [15:55] sloin: how are you adding the IPs? [15:55] nvidia is spending 0 on opensource video driver development. [15:55] does it depend on network card ? how many of them I can have assigned to one NIC ? [15:56] amd is spending at least as much as they are on proprietary video driver development [15:56] Azalyn: so that makes them about as good as ATI. [15:56] nooper: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Multiple_IPs#Slackware_Way [15:56] slax != slackware. portage is a BDS ports wannabe [15:56] xsamurai: I just like the way it pulled in source dependencies when trying to bjuild a package [15:56] *and* they are spending money on the radeonhd driver that novell is working on [15:56] they are sponsoring that driver [15:56] the issue is not one of commitment, it is one of *time* [15:56] Last time I checked, nvidia was on the same timeline as ATI. [15:57] also, code written for some other cards, like the shader code for intel chips, is reusable by other drivers. [15:57] nooper: I did this on many other distros and it always accepted at least 10 [15:57] but right now there is another issue. like i said before, the whole graphics stack on linux is being redone [15:57] spmd (~loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:57] NyteOwl: I know what you mean but it is useful to run my installation from a usb stick. [15:57] dunno then [15:57] Yeah, and you think it'll take nvidia more than a few weeks at any point to adjust? [15:57] gallium, dri2, kms, ttm, etc [15:58] no, because nvidia isn't using the linux graphics stack [15:58] the only thing nvidia syncs with, is the kernel, and xorg. [15:58] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.141.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] which is why they "get away" with it [15:58] which means they don't take advantage of xrandr [15:58] and all the other new technologies [15:59] nvidia is working on xrandr support [15:59] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:59] http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-u.html ?? [15:59] that's...old [15:59] Yes, so it can only be better than that :) [16:00] ... wow... because people actually use that for rotating the screen.. how.. useful? :| [16:00] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:00] there's currently no support for xrandr <=1.2, that's what he means [16:00] how about having all of the multihead functionality handled by xrandr [16:00] but that's being worked on [16:00] THAT is what i want to see on nvidia [16:00] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:00] and screw 1.2 [16:00] i want xrandr 1.3 [16:01] but, fwiw, nvidia-settings worked always fine for me [16:01] Ok, so other drivers do have proper multihead support with acceleration AND xrandr 1.3? [16:01] AND the hardware to back it up? [16:01] asamoah (~caio@wiltel.wilnet.com.ar) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:02] is that important? the discussion was that nvidia doesnt play nice with the rest of the platform, they just develop their own stack. [16:02] but of course, the re-engineering of the graphics stack is one other reason why the open drivers have taken more time to get mature [16:02] as you know, linux usually tries to reduce the redundancy of code in the system [16:03] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [16:03] or rather, opensource devs usually do that [16:03] you wish [16:03] but before gallium, there was no way to do that for 3D. [16:03] at least not well. [16:04] They usually do that, because they value engineering over functionality, which sometimes works out, and sometimes results in huge delays. [16:04] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [16:04] pprkut: in userland there are many competing libraries which may be redundant, like gnutls and openssl, but that is different. [16:04] in kernel mode they are very much into reducing redundancy. [16:05] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:05] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-212-107.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:05] TheGroove: the delays are worth it in the long term i think. [16:05] because the design ends up cleaner and more sustainable. [16:05] Azalyn: maybe, but I've learned not to buy anything that relies on open source and promises. [16:05] and until then people suffer [16:05] rushing things out of the door is how you end up with windows. [16:05] or ubuntu [16:06] For me, suboptimal functionality is better than theoretical (i.e. non-working) functionality. [16:06] There's a large number of typical examples of this. [16:06] Pig_Pen: don't put ubuntu and windows in the same bag, that's pretty harsh for windows :-) [16:06] ath5k... totally broken for months. [16:06] Maybe years, even. [16:07] Camarade_Tux: ....have..to...resist...commenting..... [16:07] well, good for you. the proprietary ati drivers work for others in linux though. like NaCl, hence it's not "non-working" [16:07] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.18.117) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:07] i'd rather deal with that in the short term, and have the open drivers to look forward to. [16:07] Camarade_Tux: you're trolling :) [16:07] is this conversation still going on [16:07] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:07] Azalyn: I see that a lot with wireless networking. [16:07] alisonken1home: nah, it's not trolling when it's *that* obvious ;-) [16:07] pprkut: =) [16:07] I wasn't talking about ATI drivers here. However, people generally seem to have much more trouble with ATI prop drivers than Nvidia. [16:08] And the open source ATI drivers are just not up to modern standards of desktop computing right now. [16:08] Azalyn: well, here's the facts, in the last few weeks a have seen a lot more people with ati issues in this channel than with any other driver out there [16:08] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] I.e. the open source part is mainly non-functional. [16:08] worse case scenario, i'd rather not buy any other card at all. [16:09] and you expect perfect drivers in less than a year of being open sourced? [16:09] i mean i can just stick with my current hardware. [16:09] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [16:09] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] until the situation gets better. [16:09] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:10] nooper: anyway when I do it with loop " # ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 up " it's working [16:10] Azalyn: radeonhd does work [16:10] alisonken1home: not really, but I'll buy from the party which can provide me the best solution *now*. [16:10] but I guess it's what rc.inet is doing, so I don't know [16:10] same here, i am not going to buy any new hardware and milk what i have for as long as possible, until there is some new generation of hardware out that actually wows people [16:10] pprkut: i have enough knowledge to solve problems that i encounter. if they work for some people, then that means there is a combination of packages and dependencies that work. heh [16:11] Well, the nvidia installer in most cases is absolutely painless, that's not something I can say about the fgrlx installer. [16:12] TheGroove: I tend to opt for a solution that works either now or in the foreseeable future. [16:12] but the particular entries have: Interrupt:32 Base address:0xe000 [16:12] Generally I can be up to date in about 30 seconds in any case. [16:12] when ifconfig [16:12] pprkut: me too, I did it differently in the past and it has cost me money and caused me worries. [16:12] i doubt it's really "painful", i mean i'm sure configuring a kernel is more painful. [16:12] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [16:12] TheGroove: I'm not going to get an intel or ati device anytime soon :) [16:12] heh [16:12] i will say nvidia's drivers on linux has been quite nice for me, painless to install & configure too [16:13] Well, Intel has the problem of simply being subpar hardware. [16:13] Blue_Slacker86 (~Blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Client Quit [16:13] TheGroove: i like the nics the best [16:13] i might get an msi hawk 5770 for a gaming-only box at some point. [16:13] other then that its crapola [16:13] maybe its time for x86 hardware to go the way of the dodo bird, and something new make the scene [16:13] xsamurai: I was mainly talking about graphics, I guess, their boards, nics, cpus, etc. are fine, mostly. [16:14] i could dualboot it and use it to test the state of the ati drivers. help bugtest, etc [16:14] Anything new will have implications, same as x86. [16:14] I have a ati r300-based laptop and great 3d performance until ati decided to consider it "legacy" and is no longer supported with later verson of xorg. basically i'm screwed. I hat proprietory drivers! [16:14] Nothing is perfect. [16:14] [16:14] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] johnel: r300 is supported by the opensource drivers [16:14] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.95) joined ##slackware. [16:14] r300? great performance? [16:14] and the driver is stable last i heard [16:14] Action: straterra snickers [16:14] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:14] johnel: get this... Nvidia is still supporting TNT2 chips in some form. [16:15] johnel: not for most recent xorg servers [16:15] err, TheGroove that is [16:15] How can I change X11 dpi? It is very small [16:15] True [16:15] I think nouveau will help there [16:16] you know why x86_64 was invented? because CPU mfgs (AMD & Intel) hit the ceiling on MHz speed @ 4 gigs) they could not go any faster and be stable enough for a comsumer marketable product so they went horizontial [16:16] pprkut: possibly. [16:16] Pig_Pen: not only: the need for more memory [16:16] Pig_Pen: not so much x86_64 as multiple cores. [16:16] Indeed, 64bit is mostly because of memory limits. [16:16] Once the support in nouveau is as good or better than the legacy driver, nvidia will drop them. Which will result in more resources for the non-legacy drivers [16:16] Pig_Pen, don't forget they couldn't market multiple cores for desktops either [16:16] intel tried to pull a fast one with itanium though [16:16] They're not inherently faster, or at least not much. [16:17] amd really smacked the shit out of them with that one. hehe [16:17] but x86_64 isn't the first 64bit arch at all [16:17] True, even Nintendo beat them at that :D [16:17] i don't know which was the 'first', but alpha was the most infamous. [16:18] There's just more to the market than plain performance, Intel et al understand this. [16:18] The market cares a lot more about continuity in that sense. [16:19] leave [16:19] nouveau has apparently already beaten nvidia in 2D performance. [16:19] johnel (user@80.175.117.13) left ##slackware. [16:19] Azalyn: what does that mean, "beaten"? [16:20] as I said, nouveau works pretty well [16:20] I mean, my FX5200 beats my 8800GT in glxgears if I turn off half of the features for my FX5200. [16:20] but you'd have to test on more than one card [16:20] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] i said 2D ... [16:20] glxgears is 3D [16:20] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:20] YEs, just an example. [16:20] and glxgears is a pointless benchmark [16:20] So is your "nouveau has apparently already beaten nvidia in 2D performance." remark if it's without details. [16:21] I'm sure it's much faster if it doesn't vsync, for instance. [16:21] Or do overlay. [16:21] Scratch that last one, bad example. [16:21] i saw a benchmark that compared it to the nv driver, and there was another benchmark that compared nv to proprietary nvidia. [16:21] i don't recall the links. [16:22] nv is the slowest driver possible [16:22] but from the numbers, it would appear that nouveau had better 2d. [16:22] than both. [16:22] Azalyn: possibly, but does it offer exactly the same featureset at those numbers? [16:23] nouveau's 2d is practically feature-complete, last i heard. enough so that various distros, including ubuntu, are going to be shipping it as default soon. [16:23] but with the 3d disabled. (or maybe just the 'unstable' 3d portions) [16:23] it has definitely surpassed the nv featureset. [16:24] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-38.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] many are talking about just deprecating/discontinuing nv [16:24] i did put "xset dpms force off" to turn off the screen but it bugged me turning on one minute later, why? [16:24] and letting it die a horrible firey death. [16:24] :P [16:24] Well, if all that is true, I don't see why we shouldn't let nv die. [16:24] Its main function is to get a browser up and running so you can run off and go download nvidia's driver. [16:25] Azalyn: have you seen nv's code? it's deliberately obfuscated and provides no feature [16:25] Camarade_Tux: i haven't seen it, but i have read about that, yeah. [16:25] nouveau guys must've had loads of fun digging through it. [16:25] hehe [16:25] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:26] iirc nvidia maintains it and runs makes it obfuscated before releasing it: it's gpl2-compatible but useless [16:26] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:26] Azalyn: they haven't [16:26] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:26] nouveau has been done without this crap so they stay clear of legal troubles [16:27] well, as i recall, since nv is already opensource, they did study some of it. since it's just nv, it's legal. [16:28] no: you can have copyrights on open-source code [16:28] anyways, nouveau is good. it's a good thing that it's progressing well. apparently the 3d support they have is enough to do a few compiz effects now. [16:28] Camarade_Tux: yes but the gpl allows studying. [16:28] it's in the license. [16:28] anyway, nv is so useless there is no point in studying it [16:28] you can't copy/paste code verbatim, but you can study and rewrite. [16:29] xsamurai (fahad@69.43.199.101) left ##slackware. [16:29] most non-gamers usually don't need 3D support, so even the 2D working, and maybe basic compiz effects.. [16:29] would already be great [16:30] since it means at least any card would work "out of the box" [16:30] even if not all features are there. [16:30] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.92.53) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:31] btw, reference: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383465 [16:31] I mainly use accelerated drivers for better multiscreen support, video acceleration and since KDE4 made it into Slackware, compositing. [16:32] I don't game, but right now only the prop drivers offer me that for nvidia. [16:32] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.54.225) joined ##slackware. [16:32] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:33] nouveau supports (x)randr which is pretty nice for multi-screen, only problem is that it's not always stable (was more stable two years ago ;p ) [16:33] That would be a problem for me :) [16:33] Well, I may not have fancy xrandr stuff, but my setup is completely static so it's not really an issue. [16:33] I can't really read rotated screens, you see. [16:34] Nor do I move around screens a lot. [16:34] http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix#Features [16:34] nvision (~nvision@g229053054.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:38] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-151.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:38] I can't tell where G92 is. [16:39] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:40] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Ok found it. [16:40] TheGroove: that's NV50 [16:40] Yeah [16:40] I'll switch as soon as it supports VDPAU. [16:40] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:41] apparently some people are thinking of doing that in gallium [16:41] "The current specification for XvMC is considered not worth the amount of work required, as the XvMC interface is too limited to be useful with current video formats. Some work is happening on implementing video acceleration within Gallium3D." [16:41] So maybe in 5 years :) [16:42] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] pfft [16:42] it would be better like that [16:43] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:43] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) joined ##slackware. [16:45] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: brb [16:45] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [16:47] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:06] I have a new core i3 with the 128mb integrated hd video [17:06] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-230.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [17:07] I am wondering if the xf86-video-intel supplied with 13 will support DRI with the card [17:07] nvision (~nvision@g229053054.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:08] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:08] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:08] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [17:08] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:13] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:14] drwatson2: I think the core integrated video is of a completely new breed [17:14] if it works with intel DRI it will probably perform horribly [17:14] bummer [17:16] but read the kernel docs on intel video [17:16] it has little to do with slackware, it's a kernel driver + xorg driver [17:17] i understand that. I guess what was more important to me and I should have been more specific, if the alternate intel drivers would work. [17:18] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:18] i guess there is really only one way to know for sure, haha [17:19] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] bah, was finally on the homestretch with my multilib glibc/gcc compiles.. 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[18:04] manwich-laptop (~tjones@173.156.244.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:04] remove EHCI support from your kernel [18:04] there's a low speed usb driver [18:04] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:05] straterra, I'm just curious [18:05] I thought they were backwards compatible? [18:05] Except..that won't work if you have USB 2 controllers [18:05] You need the EHCI driver for EHCI controllers.. [18:05] The controller provides the lower speed compatibility [18:06] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] hfjardim (~hfjardim@89.240.66.252) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:06] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:06] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:06] ohci comes from old , and ehci from enhanced ? [18:07] ohci is not old [18:07] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:07] open host controller interface [18:07] and extended host controller interface [18:08] straterra: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB won't work with usb2.0 controllers? I thought it would... [18:08] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:09] That's for USB block, not really related to the controller type [18:10] well, it forces the connection to low speed, as such being that what has been asked :) [18:10] straterra, I removed the ehci driver and using the ohci it is much slower [18:10] Then your controller also provides a OHCI interface [18:11] Are you afraid of speed? [18:11] pprkut: keep in mind that low speed is much slower than full USB 1.1 spec [18:11] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.30) joined ##slackware. [18:11] hehe, well, I remember hating that driver because it was damn slow. So that might very well be :) [18:12] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:12] low speed is usually for HID devices [18:12] straterra, no :) I just wanted to see how it is when you copy data with 900 Kb/s because nowadays everything is so faast . . [18:13] euzao (~pedro@189.38.156.252) joined ##slackware. [18:13] hey! [18:14] hey it's the #1 star from noobfarm [18:15] adaptr, ? [18:16] no, not you [18:16] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:17] kantor (~bird@79.114.52.231) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:17] kantor try using a serial null modem cable :) max speed depending on the UART is 9.6kbps-460kbps :) [18:17] adaptr, well, I've been out for too long from computers... [18:17] how is Slackware community, etc? [18:18] adaptr: me? [18:18] its not bad except for the werewolves [18:18] no computers ?!? where have you been, South Ppoe ? [18:18] straterra: obviously :) [18:18] Indeed [18:18] I was reading some today after somebody pasted a link here [18:19] never seen it before, and found I already have an entry :) [18:19] adaptr, I mean that I didn't get into it, anymore.... I'm more getting into Law, Philosophy, Theology, those things. [18:19] though I still find computers interesting... I've been using a lot of Slackware before, but I stopped it, after two years, because I didn't had more time for all the configuration... [18:20] euzao: The Slackware community is strong, if not as large as some other OS' communities. [18:20] slackware is the most flexible without going lfs imo =) [18:20] now I have installed here in Ubuntu, though I didn't use it too much. [18:20] remove the "in". [18:21] don't [18:21] yes, Slackware is very flexible... but I got sad when gnome got out of it. [18:21] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-60.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] but the last version of Ubuntu have horrible performance and they are often unstable. [18:22] versions* [18:22] currently I use archlinux on my desktop and slackware on my firewall =) [18:22] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) got netsplit. [18:22] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.137) got netsplit. [18:22] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.95) got netsplit. [18:22] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) got netsplit. [18:22] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) got netsplit. [18:22] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) got netsplit. [18:22] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit. [18:22] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [18:22] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) got netsplit. 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[18:23] snL20: I use Slack on the desktop and OpenBSD on the firewall :) [18:23] oh :P [18:23] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:23] it messed everything [18:23] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:23] + that slack-apt horrible thing [18:23] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) returned to ##slackware. [18:23] Well, I've had trouble with gnome, that's my reason for liking kde better ;) [18:24] NyteOwl: what hardware do you use for the wall ? :D [18:24] slack-apt? Sounds like blasphemy [18:24] that screwed up all my system, and I had to reinstall everything [18:24] Aldaron, well, let me be anathema, so. [18:24] hehe [18:24] I was a newbie by then. [18:24] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [18:24] NyteOwl: the slack install on my wall takes up 60mb =) [18:25] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.137) returned to ##slackware. [18:25] snl50: K6-2/350 512MB [18:25] the main problem with me after installing Slackware is the configuration [18:25] I remember that I had to configure even the CD-drive. [18:25] o_O [18:25] gm152 (~glen@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] mshade (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.95) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] fatalnix (~Fatalnix@spirit.ggxmain.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] Tyrael (pirc30@j111178.upc-j.chello.nl) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:26] Tyrael (pirc30@j111178.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Excess Flood [18:26] Tyrael (pirc30@j111178.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:26] thrice`, I had two cd drives, so the other one, which I didn't use of the instal, had to be configured. [18:27] when was this? 4 years ago? [18:27] yes [18:27] 2006 [18:27] I found those days a Slack 9 cd here [18:28] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@192.188.48.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:28] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:29] got around over Debian after that. [18:29] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.137) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.137) joined ##slackware. [18:32] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [18:32] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-60.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:33] thrice must have been more than 4 years ago heh [18:33] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [18:34] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:34] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Client Quit [18:35] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [18:37] anyone know just how much space a full gcc compile can take ? I'm getting a bit worried about running out of disk space here [18:38] 4GB [18:38] can't you compile with deleting the temporary files [18:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-190-106.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:38] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] maybe not 4GB but at least 3GB [18:39] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:41] fd0 (~f@190.220.20.154) joined ##slackware. [18:41] k, so if it's multilib we can go between 6-8 then. Good to know [18:41] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:42] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:42] NyteOwl: I have it running on a 120mb compact flash in my net4501 :] [18:43] snL20: cool! I just used an old PC. Thining of building a new gateway on an Atom platform [18:43] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:44] fd0 (f@190.220.20.154) left ##slackware. [18:44] NyteOwl: yeah, what do you know about pcengines are they any good ? [18:44] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] no idea [18:45] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:45] NyteOwl: ok... so any computer in particular for the job ? [18:46] Action: pseudonymous does battle with the gcc compile in a tug of war for disk space - who will win ? [18:46] not at the moment. still looking at stuff :) [18:46] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:46] NyteOwl: ok cool... have to sleep now ttyl :] [18:46] ciao - pleasant dreams [18:47] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-96.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] Axius (~hi@92.84.22.195) joined ##slackware. [18:47] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:48] evening folks. [18:48] Grüezi, Cann0n . [18:48] how goes things in the linux world? [18:48] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:48] Axius (~hi@92.84.22.195) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:49] very kernely. [18:49] lol [18:49] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:50] or kernelrific? [18:50] I have a confession... I installed fedora on this laptop. [18:51] OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!! [18:51] Action: Cann0n ducks. [18:51] 30 lashes with a microsoft mosuepad! [18:51] No! [18:51] where 'd the .45-70 [18:51] Cann0n, Fedora is not that bad. [18:51] nah. I like it. [18:51] It's better than Ubuntu [18:51] prisoner riot. Bring out the stun guns [18:52] I need something that doesn't require weeks of setting up and tweaking. [18:52] Fedora breaks.. and it breaks a *lot*.. It's nice enough when it works. But it's really hellish once things start falling apart, and they most certainly will [18:52] Plus, this autodependency thing is pretty nice for a change. [18:52] NyteOwl: Nah, use a egronomic M$ mouse, the most itself makes for a good handle, the cord a good whip. ;) [18:52] then why did you install fedora? :) [18:52] s/most/mouse/ [18:52] lol [18:52] it requires months of maintenance - like any beta software :) [18:53] I turned off the beta sets [18:53] Cann0n: if you wanted dependency checking and a easily maintainable system go Debian Testing. It's far more stable than Fedora [18:53] Töten Sie den Gefangener!!! [18:53] It's actually pretty stable. I had a few issues with SELinux [18:53] Fedora is ALL beta imho [18:53] Cann0n: If you ever want to go absolutely insane with updates and breakages, enable rawhide. :) [18:53] (german is very nice language to shout out loud). [18:53] euzao: lol [18:53] LOL [18:54] yeah, first time I had F12 instealled, I had to enable rawhide because I was having networkmanager issues. [18:54] That's why I uninstalled it. [18:54] I get the need for an easy system for the laptop, you probably do most of your work there. But *trust* me, you just installed a timebomb [18:54] Ara bic is more effective for cursing in :) [18:54] Then I read some more. yum update kernel was a much more stable sollutioen for my wifi card [18:55] pseudonymous: maybe. I trusted RedHat back in the day. [18:56] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-193-64.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:56] Cann0n: started out on Red Hat myself. Tried to survive the RH => Fedora Transition, broke off around FC2 and tried every other release up to now. Always ended up breaking in the most horrific ways. [18:56] I'm on dial-up. It's much more convient to not have to DL source codes [18:56] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:56] pseudonymous: yeah, I read the young versions of FC had major issues [18:56] Hehe, if young includes everything up to 10 then sure :P [18:57] lol [18:57] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-197-195.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:57] So far so good. Only thing I don't like about fedora is #fedora [18:57] It's very predictable though. The last Fedora release prior to RHEL is the most stable it gets, then the breakage goes crazy. [18:57] Cann0n, the same with Brazilian IRCs. [18:58] I bet. [18:58] well, I learned a lot of English down here, so I cannot regret. [18:58] #fedora is full of assholes and vibrating hotel beds. [18:59] that's what you get for using fedora [18:59] :) [18:59] Cann0n, well, if a person doesn't have those things, I wonder they do have problems. [18:59] but yes, I got it. [18:59] The most common way to fix things according to #fedora is to "reboot"... it's also "a VERY VERY VERY BAD idea to run X in root." [18:59] lol [18:59] it is... that's not bad advise (altho the first is retarded) [19:00] Cann0n, that's very windows. [19:00] yeah, that's what I said lol. [19:00] well, I remember the old glorious BeOS days. [19:00] that rebooting wasn't simply needed, for anything. [19:00] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:00] How can I know if PostgreSQL is installed? [19:00] running X in root isn't the best idea, but I wouldn't preach it. I've had to log into X plenty of times in previous experiences [19:01] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] you know that I was seeing? The ways that a kernel is organized reminded me a lot with a Constitution. [19:01] LOL [19:01] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] Cann0n: I've sued X in root. I just make sure my background is a very distinctive one so I remember I'm root :) [19:01] Cann0n, but keep in mind, i never modify my runmode from 3, so i can always log in as root in console [19:01] lol [19:01] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:02] well, maybe I'm a Law philosophic freak, but the organization, schematic, looked very similar. [19:02] even the "reboots" that we had there. [19:02] euzao, stop smoking crack :) [19:03] Necos: oh I agree. I RARELY log in as root. I had to the other day because xfce came with a faulty theme that crashed X. I wanted to see if root could run xfce. It did. That told me it was the theme. rm -rf ~/config/xfce4 fixed it [19:03] Necos, well, I'm those nerds that want to know about everything... I'm graduating in Law, so... [19:03] digital law is very interesting [19:03] all those certificates [19:03] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:03] i'm pro-copyleft. [19:04] ewww... law is psychotic :) [19:04] i'll stick to physics kthxbai [19:04] I'll stick to worshipping Cthuluh. [19:05] good luck with that :) [19:05] Cann0n, call of Cthuluh, you like Lovecraft? [19:05] I am pro whatever the hell license you want to use. [19:05] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos [19:05] Yeah I know, he hates cold weather and it seems to be all over the East US [19:05] well, licenses in a common law system are just funny. [19:05] euzao: actually, I can't stand reading aside from irc or web browsing. [19:06] Cann0n, that's sad! get some books! [19:06] which languages do you know? [19:06] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:06] I'm weak-minded! Hence the Fedora. [19:06] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [19:06] I've gotten too lazy to do anything... even compile a kernel. [19:06] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird back and laughs [19:06] :) [19:07] Action: Cann0n inhales NOS and passes out for a few seconds. [19:07] lol [19:07] ltns fire|bird... how ya been? [19:07] Necos: been great, thanks. yourself? [19:07] Cann0n, well, I'm reading a lot of things now, lots of Roman Law, Latin stuff, German stuff, Portuguese stuff, what do you like reading? [19:08] I actually really like Fedora. I recogmend Fedora over Ubuntu anyday. (to the noobs that want to break the MS addiction) [19:08] good good... the new gf has been keeping me busy, right after all the quantum mechanics studying [19:08] I never suggest slackware as a first distro unless the person actually wants to learn linux rather than use a Winders alternative. [19:08] Necos, you study physics? [19:09] Necos, do you understand anything of thomist metaphysical works? [19:09] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:09] euzao: Does that deal with the theory about fast food chains being ran by dietist? [19:09] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-96.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:10] nope, because it seems that the thomist philosophy is the only one that survived the modern physics laws. [19:11] like the identity principle, which says that if something is, it is, and if something is not, it is not. [19:11] I like the string theory [19:12] may sound silly, but that is denied by the german idealists. [19:12] euzao: but in the big bang nothing exploded and formed everything [19:12] XGizzmo, how can nothing explode? [19:12] explosion demands existence. [19:12] well, I know that this is not the proper channel for that [19:13] correct, ##slackware-offtopic is. ;) [19:13] oh, sorry, fire|bird, I forgot about that. [19:14] how do you know there was only one "Big Bang" or only one universe? there would be a multitude of universes = a multiverse and there could have been many many big band events [19:14] euzao: no worries. :) [19:14] euzao: The conversation can continue there, if anybody else joins there, but atm, looks like only you did. :P [19:17] Pig_Pen: there are big band events down my street every month or so, yes [19:17] #slackware doesn't need an offtopic [19:17] it needs an on-topic [19:17] sure it does.. off-topic is for things that cross the line 3 times [19:18] like religion, politics and porn? [19:18] exactly [19:18] all 3 lines at once, or in stages ? [19:18] like, titties, titties, bush is okay, but titties, bush, scientology is not ? [19:18] I'd like to see a jewing liberatiarion stripper snorting lines of coke while pooping on a Windows 7 disk. [19:18] Pig_Pen: we're all jusrt random electrical fields wandering the cosmos. any resemblence to sentience is a transitory illusion :P [19:19] s/j.wing/j.wish [19:19] Mozillero (Usuariodel@ont-213-141-33-13.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [19:19] argh. I can't type. as usual [19:19] euzao, sorry, working on a few things at the same time, so i missed your earlier statements... but no i don't lol [19:19] hola [19:20] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Necos is now known as multitasking|Necos :P [19:21] Mozillero (Usuariodel@ont-213-141-33-13.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [19:24] we are stardust, we are billion year old carbon [19:26] Pig_Pen: crazy to think that money makes us live when in reality, that's all me are. [19:26] multi billion [19:26] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-250.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Action: Cann0n tackles nix_chix0r [19:26] lol fire|bird :P that's me! [19:27] Action: Necos waves to nix_chix0r [19:27] apparently, she's being kidnapped... AGAIN [19:27] B1ST (1000@d51A57D1D.access.telenet.be) joined ##slackware. [19:27] I'm working that business degree! soon as I start making that money, I'm gonna be calling you nix_chix0r [19:27] lol [19:28] Cann0n: but we are the sexist damn billion year old carbon this side of the universe. [19:28] you have to give us that. [19:28] ##slackware-offtopic definitely is the place for titties, pr0n, religious debate, political debate, and pretty much anything intelligent slackers get into.. created to help unclutter this chan. [19:28] errp, I'm in backlog. [19:28] i'm working on a string parsing problem in perl, because apparently, trying to merge data from two student data systems is extremely hard >.> [19:28] eviljames: fail. :P [19:28] Azalyn: Oh yeah. I'm very fond of one-peice bathing suits. [19:29] eviljames: but nice plug for OT. ;) [19:29] you meant nice butt plug for OT... >.> [19:29] heheh [19:29] fire|bird: hey can you check to make sure I'm not on buzz anymore? [19:29] eviljames: sure, sec. [19:29] Am I still a slacker? [19:30] you better be >.> get off that damn fedora nonsense :P [19:30] LOL [19:30] hysterio (~root@222.68.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:30] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:30] hysterio kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [19:30] LOL [19:30] I'll probably keep fedora on this laptop. My old laptop with the busted lcd will need some fixin' up [19:30] i love those [19:31] ban-on-join ftw [19:31] I logged on here under su once the other night by mistake. i was sad. [19:31] hysterio (~hysterio@222.68.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:31] Necos: FTW? [19:31] i'd laugh at ya :) [19:31] for the win [19:31] mmm. alt+3 not working with irssi [19:32] alienBOB: got my VM back [19:32] Ah [19:33] eviljames: still shows you on there as a follower. [19:34] hysterio (~hysterio@222.68.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [19:34] damn. moving this to o/t [19:34] hysterio (~hysterio@222.68.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Nick change: Dominian -> to [19:36] Nick change: to -> Dominian [19:36] you know what'd be funny, if someone set their ident/username to "root" while being logged in as a normal user. just to troll. [19:37] even better if they set it up as a honeypot and see how many people tried to perform attacks [19:38] or the 5 seconds before he gets kicked [19:38] hysterio (~hysterio@222.68.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [19:40] i doubt it'd last even 5 seconds... slackboy's pretty quick [19:40] Azalyn: People do that all the time. [19:40] we call them eviljames ;) [19:41] Azalyn: But each time they do, slackboy kicks immediately (if *!*root@* isn't already banned). [19:41] Necos: that eviljames is a master troll. [19:41] Necos: I heard he even calls himself ass|hat from time to time. [19:41] indeed he is... [19:41] apparently, he has plenty of practice :) [19:41] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [19:41] tuxdev (~tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:41] Necos: Plenty of practice squishing prior trolls into nothingness, I've learned all the tricks. [19:42] ^5 [19:42] :P [19:42] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:42] root (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:43] root (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Client Quit [19:43] lulz [19:43] it wouldn't necessarily be in this channel! [19:44] you could do it in #ubuntu or some shit. [19:44] i'm sure plenty of people there would fall for it. [19:44] Azalyn: They don't even _know_ what root is [19:44] not that i'm insinuating anything about ubuntu users... [19:44] let's not comment on things we surely know everything about... >.> [19:45] Anyway, how does irssi knows what user's you are? I tried changing LOGNAME and USER and it still knew the right user [19:46] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-250.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:48] "right user" meaning your account on the machine? [19:48] Yup [19:48] But I guess termcap must check for uid [19:48] or something like that [19:48] I said dick in #fedora-social and i was asked to watch my langauge... [19:48] i'm not really sure. maybe it's just biased? is there an EMAIL setting? [19:49] Cann0n: now change your nick to that. :P [19:49] Azalyn: I did 'env | grep -i vhann' [19:49] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:49] And the only vars which looked relevant were LOGNAME and USER [19:49] because the client often will use the first part of the email if you enter it. [19:49] hm... [19:50] i don't use irssi.. it actually uses environment variables for it's configuration? doesnt it have a config file? [19:50] I love irssi [19:50] irssi -c irc.freenode.com -n Cann0n [19:50] irssi rocks [19:50] i quit aliasing that long ago. [19:51] Azalyn: username surely isn't in the conf file [19:51] when you're in 40 channels, spread across 6 irc networks, and then add any privmsg tabs to the list... irssi just feels kind of limited... :| [19:52] to me anyways. [19:52] bbl [19:52] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [19:52] Azalyn: Yeah, but it's mostly that or have to use the mouse [19:52] i never edit irssi's conf [19:52] heh, i'm not that freak, Azalyn :P [19:52] well, i am. [19:53] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Azalyn: what do you use? [19:53] kc8hfi_: /whois Azalyn [19:53] tab fail [19:53] if i was in less channels, irssi might be more productive since i wouldn't have to use the mouse. but with that many channels, i need a channel list to see all of the channels at once, and their highlight status *and* i need to be able to select one immediately [19:53] Action: NaCl edited his irssi config file [19:54] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.137) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:54] Azalyn: how many channels are you in? [19:54] Azalyn: how many channels are you in? [19:54] one [19:54] NaCl: too late. ;) [19:54] lol [19:54] BP{k}: hah, nice [19:55] when yer on 40 channels, any terminal irc client will not feel comfortable [19:55] yeah. [19:55] Cann0n: /whois might not be entirely trustworthy there. if someone has a user mode of +i, you only see the channels you are joined with them, not the others. [19:55] that's why i "settle" for xchat. [19:55] idealy i would want something much better. [19:55] Azalyn: can weechat do what you want? [19:56] i'm not sure.. i don't think so. i've been jealous of one feature in particular that irssi users have. [19:56] and it's not really a feature of irssi [19:56] it's just *because* it's a terminal app. [19:56] its either a feature or a bug [19:56] the whole thing where you use gnu screen, and then you can connect from anywhere. [19:57] i used to use xchat, but it was 95% features I didn't use [19:57] Azalyn: so is weechat [19:57] in theory you can do this with X11 forwarding for X apps.. but it's not the same.. first off, X11 is just slow for me over network, unless it's LAN... [19:57] X11? [19:58] X [19:58] Azalyn: In weechat, there's a buffer script that lists all the channels and pm's down the left side, network_name.channel or network_name.user, depending on if it's a channel or pm. [19:58] X11 = xorg = X. More or less [19:58] irssi is still lotz better than bitchx/epic though [19:58] ah. i thought he ment /etc/X11 [19:58] as in the directory... using ssh on his wan? i dunno. [19:58] Action: Cann0n shuts up [19:59] what i'd like is a frontend/backend IRC app. where you have a backend, and multiple frontends can connect to it. similar to how a bnc works, but instead of just emulating an IRCD, it would have it's own protocol, to better manage things. [19:59] Azalyn: quassel? [19:59] Azalyn: Quassel can sort of do that, has a core and client [19:59] Azalyn: you connect the core to irc, then you can connect multiple clients to that core. [19:59] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:59] hm, interesting, hadn't heard of it. [19:59] erk, qt... :P [20:00] lol [20:00] Azalyn: qt is awesome [20:00] http://quassel-irc.org/ [20:00] yeah i already googled it, bp. [20:00] NaCl: maybe i could settle for qt [20:00] you could always wait until weechat dev gets around to actually writing a GTK frontend. [20:00] i already have it on my system because of virtualbox [20:01] Action: Azalyn punches virtualbox [20:01] ther is always screen and irssi [20:01] qt looks lotz nicer compared to gtk tho [20:01] no it doesnt... [20:01] nachox: Azalyn is in way too many channels [20:01] the "look" is determined by themes. [20:01] for me it does [20:01] \o nachox [20:01] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:01] man, don't you guys READ the chat buffer? :| [20:01] s/too many channels/to many channels in his opinion to use irssi/ ;) [20:01] Azalyn: I use qtcurve, so everything looks the same. :P [20:02] are you all in 640x480 ? :P [20:02] buffer, what buffer? :P [20:02] no [20:02] /c/c [20:02] buffer? who cares about what happened 5 mins ago. [20:02] ananke, :) [20:02] lol [20:02] i mentioned how many channels i was in before anyone asked, and before someone suggested /whoising me :P [20:02] and i also mentioned the irssi/screen thing [20:02] it's all about the future, man, the future [20:02] before anyone mentioned it [20:02] hahaha [20:02] Action: NaCl engages time travel [20:02] you're wasting valuable bytes! [20:03] SAVE THE BYTES [20:03] lol [20:03] Azalyn: you considered irssi/with screen? ;) [20:03] >.> [20:03] Action: NaCl dccs some bytes to Azalyn [20:03] no, i explained why irssi wouldn't work for my needs. [20:03] now that's a deja vu [20:03] why not just keep irssi in tty1 and switch to x on tty2 via alt+7 [20:03] NaCl: eh? what's this "mother spanking child rather hard" file you're sending me? [20:03] :| [20:04] dannywork (~dannywork@c83-250-115-132.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Azalyn: it's nothing. [20:04] Azalyn: I just thought of something: you could use irssi and screen! [20:04] BLAST. [20:04] Yup, irssi and screen. [20:05] Action: NaCl suggests Azalyn use that [20:05] I will have my revenge. [20:05] nah, you all got it wrong. it's screen _and_ irssi. now that's a great combination [20:05] NaCl: Hey, nice idea man, hadn't thought about it! [20:05] hey! [20:05] so, guys, about that screen and irssi combination... [20:06] teh trollz, zey are everywharez. [20:06] the goggles, zey do nothing! [20:06] No, we're just giving you a hard time. :P [20:06] we're no trolls, we're just bored :) [20:06] yes, that is the definition of trolling. [20:06] :P [20:07] quassel does look really nice. [20:07] Action: NaCl may try it [20:07] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [20:07] NaCl: I think pprkut has a slackbuild of it. [20:07] i wonder if you could connect irssi to quassel [20:08] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] That would be nice. [20:08] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.95) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:08] BP{k}: I am not actually running this on my local machine, it's actually an ubuntu server [20:08] then imagine running irssi in screen. now that's a novel idea [20:08] does quassel require it's own port? [20:08] or can it go through ssh [20:08] i'm not opening another port for this [20:08] >:O [20:09] Azalyn: iirc, no, it doesn't need it's own port. [20:09] Azalyn, you can make it go through ssh even if it requires its own port [20:09] have you heard of ssh tunnels? [20:09] nachox: yeah.. [20:09] that's true. [20:09] Boredom and trolling... isn't that exactly what /b/ is all about? [20:09] have you heard of forgetfulness, and lazyness? :P [20:10] /b/ is about conquering the world with the power of utter stupidity. [20:10] the theory is that our leaders are stupid, and yet are in charge, so being more stupid can in theory bring us even MORE power. [20:10] i must be the only person on the planet still running EPIC... [20:10] Necos: you are [20:11] you are [20:11] Action: Necos cries a little inside [20:11] Azalyn: And /b/tards _seldomly_ happen to be like: ok, enough good world-domination today, let's share pr0n for a minute... [20:12] hmmmm, 515 and my coworker still hasn't come back... i think i'm gonna have to assume he's been eaten by students... [20:12] http://unmotivationalposters.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=284 [20:12] your clock is off by 3 mins [20:13] it says 518 on my blackberry >.> [20:13] Azalyn: I haven't checked the link yet, but I suspect it's about /b/ and anal [20:13] keep your clock synced with ntp [20:13] Necos: technology so advanced, it's already in the future [20:13] actually, not specifically about /b/ ! [20:14] ananke, yep! [20:14] it's set to use verizon's network time, so... [20:14] their clocks must be off... [20:15] their ntp servers are busy fighting 4chan [20:15] i thought that was comcast / time warner [20:16] whats 4chan? [20:16] lol [20:16] there was a story earlier this week about verizon wireless blocking access to 4chan [20:16] i saw something but i believe it was time warner or comcast that was doing it [20:16] nachox: you might want to use wikipedia to learn about it. and only wikipedia. [20:16] lol ONLY wikipedia, because it's scary [20:17] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/08/1751217/Verizon-Blocking-4chan [20:17] actually, encyclopedia dramatica is a good place to learn about 4chan [20:17] and by scary, i mean you'll look at 4chan and want to claw your eyes out [20:17] :D [20:18] encyclopedia dramatica is a great mental exercise. you get to guess what's true and what isn't [20:18] years of irc trolling should prepare you for it [20:18] lol [20:18] [enduring trolls that is] [20:18] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:19] ananke, ah, lovely. a website as a cover for a community of trolls and idiots [20:19] it's like a troll mecca [20:20] it's even better than a troll mecca [20:20] but i'd like to point out something from the wiki entry: In January 2009, moot signed a new deal with an advertising company; as of February 2009[update], he was $20,000 in debt and the site was continuing to lose money. [20:21] ananke: that's true, i've gotten pretty good at it. [20:21] that's a scary thought in and of itself... this guy goes in to debt to keep 4chan alive >.> [20:22] Azalyn: Ahh, finally found it: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/01/07/anal/ [20:22] that doesn't sound right though, 4chan is worth so much money.. :| [20:22] he must be doing it wrong [20:22] lol [20:23] i mean ebaums world (run by a dirty thief) makes a fuckload of money.. and has the same type of content, images and stuff.. in fact they even have videos now [20:23] he must be doin it wrong. [20:24] lol narsty [20:24] anywho, it's time for me to get home and do more quantum physics homework... [20:24] laters folks [20:24] you know what's some shit? the wild blue's tranponders have a gap in coverage in my area [20:24] i'm right at a "seam" [20:24] i'm too far in the woods to get high speed [20:25] and... someone needs the landline. later fella- [20:25] phract (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Necos: yeah, you go ahead and grow up to be a physicist... then start a company called black mesa... i'm sure it'll go well. [20:25] you crazy scientists will be the doom of us all! [20:25] >:O [20:26] Tyrael (pirc30@j111178.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:26] I've downloaded a font package, I was wondering if anyone here knew how to install fonts on slackware? [20:27] namely 13.0 (if that matters) [20:29] you throw them in some directory somewhere. [20:29] AcEg33k (1000@60.254.78.236) joined ##slackware. [20:29] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:29] like, over there... [20:29] Action: Azalyn points [20:29] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:30] ~/.fonts [20:30] usus12jari (~ashe@114.59.19.192) joined ##slackware. [20:31] /usr/share/fonts/ [20:31] for system-wide. no? [20:31] yeah [20:31] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [20:32] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] AcEg33k (1000@60.254.78.236) left irc: Client Quit [20:34] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:35] when I burn a DVD, the burn finishes ok, then during data verify nero gets stuck at like 90%. aborting does nothing and the DVD drive cannot work anymore until I reboot... what is the cause of this problem? [20:37] just use cdrecord, you'll love it [20:40] cdrecord seems to be low-level and primitive [20:41] primitive? i dont think so [20:41] haha [20:41] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [20:42] foobarz: what you think k3b backend uses ? [20:42] primitive can be lots more dependable and without the baggage, cruft and kludge a GUI brings with it [20:43] k3b is buggy as [20:45] I got k3b 1.0.5. Is that a good version? [20:46] Mona (~root@112.135.41.165) joined ##slackware. [20:46] Mona kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: You are banned [20:46] id recommend the latest stable [20:46] Mona Lisa lost her smile again [20:48] Well, ok I think I will give k3b a try on my next burn. [20:48] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:48] phract (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [20:48] phract (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:49] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:50] phract (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [20:51] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.21) joined ##slackware. [20:52] phrak (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [20:53] I got a couple drives in /dev/mapper/.. that I mount manually with cryptsetup... if I do not umount them before I run "reboot", then the shutdown gets stuck with some message about LVM shutting down.. , hitting ctrl-alt-del just makes it happen again... then I have to destroy things with KsysRq keypresses... what is my problem? [20:54] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.95) joined ##slackware. [20:54] you need to properly umount the crypto devices in runlevel 0 [20:55] Action: nachox bows to phrak [20:55] you mean runlevel 0 & 6 does not take care of that in the scripts in /etc/rc.d ? WTF! [20:55] hey nachox =) [20:56] nice exploit video phrak, it was fun to watch [20:56] just testing out tor/sasl for my laptop [20:56] i might even use it next week [20:56] nachox: oh thanks.. i got too much time on my hands lately =P [20:56] even though you mounted them manually runevel 0 & 6 should umount them on shutdown & reboot [20:57] phrak, of course it's a bug that has already been fixed in XP but i might be lucky and own a machine with it at work [20:57] made it as my uni prof was asking about it... going to expand and test different versions and patches [20:58] nachox: yeh, i guess patches rely on the human element.. you know the track record of unpatched boxes for years to come [20:58] not where i will be working. but we'll see [20:59] also the fact MS disable cracked versions of XP when users try to 'update' [20:59] nachox: there's an SMB overflow that works nicely on SP3 iirc [20:59] i wont see any of that where i will be, banks dont usually have that problem :P [21:00] that would be interesting.. stranger things have happened =) [21:01] indeed it will be [21:01] i have to play with the new backtrack for a while too [21:01] I guess I just need to make sure I umount them... or looks like make a rc.local_shutdown script to do it? [21:01] dannywork (~dannywork@c83-250-115-132.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:02] nachox: i've just setup my thinkpad x40 with bt4 (+some additions) with full LUKS, seeing as i wasn't using it much [21:02] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [21:03] phrak, i will be using the backtrack live cd in a virtualbox image [21:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:03] nachox: can i make a recommendation then? [21:04] of course you can [21:04] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:04] boot virtual machine with ISO, install, reboot into the installed image and update (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; msfupdate) [21:05] there are a lot of new exploits that didnt make it to the bt4 image? [21:05] and optionally SET for mass client side attacks/spoofing [21:06] nachox: yeh, including the aurora one [21:06] phrak, i will not have a lot of time to work unfortunately. i wish i did... [21:06] aurora looks like an oracle exploit :P [21:06] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:06] then just go for the install and update [21:07] not many bt updates, and msf takes about 5 minutes with msfupdate to build and install cvs automatically [21:07] i will do that while at work tomorrow [21:08] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] phrak, btw, today there was a good paper at full disclosure about oracle [21:08] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:09] you might want to give it a few minutes of your time, its a fun read [21:10] i'll check that out on my daily read =) [21:11] it uses a kind of on the side sql injection to gain sys privileges [21:14] Let's suppose I have a computer I want to access but have no access to its NAT'ing device, is there a way to connect to it via another network but then be able to connect directly to the machine (hence reducing latency caused by the proxy)? [21:15] I'm looking at VPN in order to do that, but I'm not sure it can do such a thing [21:15] vhann_ what kind of connection are we talking about? you can certainly use a reverse ssh tunnel [21:16] nachox: I thought about that, but wouldn't a ssh tunnel still rely on the proxy for the connection to stay alive? [21:16] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:18] i'm assuming machine a (the one behind the NAT) can reach machine b directly and not through another network [21:19] nachox: It's a bit more complicated than that [21:19] vhann_: why do you need to access this machine? [21:19] I would like to access machine a (the server) which is NAT'ed using machine b (the client) [21:19] ardya: Because it is my machine [21:20] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.21) joined ##slackware. [21:20] i'm a happy openoffice 3.2 user :) [21:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] So that's the problem: how can I access a NAT'ed machine if I have no control over the NAT'ing device? [21:21] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] I seem to understand VLAN and/or VPN and a "proxy" might help me do that [21:22] ask the NAT control guy to portward ssh [21:23] Action: Delahunt squeezed the trigger on a 16gb ssd mini PCIe drive and a 16gb sd card for his eee [21:23] ardya: They won't. [21:23] why won't they [21:24] ardya: I live in a dormitory which means about 500 students are NAT'ed under the same IP [21:24] ahh so you're trying to circumvent school network policy [21:24] ardya: There's no such thing that I'm aware of [21:25] ardya: my school's network policy is to install their rootkit so they can monitor what is running on your computer [21:25] i doubt there isnt [21:25] ssh is blocked in many areas due to worms designed to try to crack it [21:25] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [21:26] What I would like to do is access my server (which is in my room) from outside my room [21:26] From school mostly [21:26] then contact your schools network administration people and make that request [21:26] vhann_: then can't you just use the local Ip address? [21:26] zaltekk: No, they isolated school and dorm networks [21:27] You used to have to use a proxy from inside the school to access the school "website" [21:27] vhann_, maybe ask the web server admin to run ssh on a dynamic port? [21:27] pipes (pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) left ##slackware. [21:29] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:29] Wait, if I start sshd on port 64999 (for example) from inside the NAT, would contacting the NAT'ing device at port 64999 work? [21:30] no [21:30] That's what I thought [21:30] how would the natting device know where to route that to your server if it isnt specifically told about it? [21:31] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!root@* expired. [21:31] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:31] nachox: Dunno, the same way it knows which client to send http responses? [21:31] I don't fully grok NAT/uPnP [21:31] phrak (debian-tor@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:31] which is why you need to ask your schools admin staff for help [21:32] vhann_: it knows because it saw the outgoing traffic [21:33] ardya: I'll try that, but I highly doubt they'll take it into consideration (I asked to get email forwarded to my mailbox rather than school's 20MB mailbox and they won't...) [21:33] vhann_, its simple, the natting device keeps track of connection, lets say machine a inside a nat connects to machine b through router r, router r puts the connection in a table, when machine b responds, the router simply checks the table regarding to who started the request and sends the data there [21:34] zaltekk: nachox Ok, that's kind of what I initially thought [21:35] Now, I'll read up on VLAN and VPN, one of those seem to do what I want [21:35] vhann_: maybe you should fetch the mail over imap or pop3 [21:35] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:35] zaltekk: It's only webmail [21:35] vhann_: nothing is going to let you connect through the router without the router being configured to let you do so [21:35] vhann_: you would have to connect from inside the router to something outside and leave the connection up [21:35] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] vhann_: and then do the same from your laptop or other computer that is on the other school network [21:36] zaltekk: I know [21:36] That's what I'm trying to achieve: [21:36] somehow have the NAT'ed network connect to my "proxy network" [21:36] vhann_: you have a third device that you can access fine? [21:36] zaltekk: Exactly [21:37] I DDNS'ed it and all [21:37] The only problem is it's a 10Mbits/sec link, so I'd like to establish the connection using it then, if possible, have the 2 end devices talk directly [21:38] through magic? [21:38] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:39] i don't know how you expect the machines to be connected if you take out the computer between them that is allowing you to avoid the problem from the school's routing [21:40] zaltekk: that's where I'm stuck at mostly. Maybe by having the server fake sending data so to open a port (for the response) and then connect to that "response port" [21:40] nobuddy (~pthreat@201-213-119-136.net.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:40] o/ [21:40] asarch (~asarch@189.188.199.95) left irc: Quit: Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears. [21:40] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:40] I'm trying to put this to work 0c45:60fc Microdia PC Camera with Mic (SN9C105) [21:41] I'm using this module, gspca_sonixj [21:41] I'm using vlc to try to open the device, sometimes it opens and I can get to see something, but it suddenly goes away or bizarre shit happens [21:41] win 20 [21:42] zaltekk: I saw something ressembling what I want in 'man ssh' [21:42] Anyway [21:46] zaltekk: In the same manner, how do peer2peer networks work? I doubt all the traffic goes through the tracker (that would defeat the whole point of using a decentralized network) [21:46] This seems to confirm it too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT_traversal [21:48] vhann_, err... that's used for ipsec, i'd check how it works for for example bit torrent [21:48] vhann_: you might want to look at ssh -R [21:49] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] vhann_, ipsec needs it because it has to check the ip packages for consistency and integrity, things like emule use uPNP to forward ports, bittorrent can function only with outbound connections [21:50] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:50] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [21:50] nachox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_hole_punching [21:50] zaltekk: Yeah, that's basically the same as VPN from what I understand [21:51] not a standard [21:52] nachox: Ok, so? [21:52] That doesn't mean it _can't_ work [21:52] you cant really rely on it [21:53] Well, between not reliable and nothing the choice is clear [21:53] vhann_: ssh -R 1234:localhost:1234 username@externalserver # from your dorm [21:54] port 1234 on externalserver will forward to 1234 on your dorm box [21:55] i believe you could, on the laptop or whatever you are using outside of your dorm, ssh username@externalserver and then use localhost:1234 to connect and keep the entire connection secured [21:55] but it is late, and i've never tested this [21:57] zaltekk: Yeah, I need to look into this [21:58] well, say sshd is running on port 22 on your dorm computer [21:59] from your dorm computer, run: ssh -R 22:localhost:23 user@externalserver [21:59] then from somewhere else on campus run: ssh user@externalserver -p 23 [21:59] john_dee (~id@95-29-145-248.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[22:43] namely 13.0 (if that matters) [22:43] is it a slackware fonts pacakge or just a regular font package? [22:44] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:44] Do you need them system wide or just your user? [22:45] for system wide use, copy to appropriate directory under /usr/share/fonts then run (as root) /usr/bin/fc-cache -f & [22:45] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:46] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:48] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:48] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [22:52] gm152 (~glen@d24-57-152-216.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:53] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:56] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:56] zux (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [22:57] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:57] thanks alicephilippa [22:57] damned tab [22:58] thanks alisonken1home [23:03] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:04] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:04] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [23:08] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:09] night all [23:09] g'night nachox [23:10] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [23:10] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.30) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:10] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:12] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:12] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [23:15] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:19] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.174) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:19] butterball (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] Hello, I had a power outage and when my system came back up it is unable to ping anything.. 192* or www.google.com... How may I fix this? [23:20] reboot? [23:20] check your router ? [23:21] rebooted and check router [23:21] my other computers are ok.. just my desktop is having the problem [23:22] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [23:22] check dmesg and ifconfig [23:22] might have fried your NIC [23:22] also, check cable! [23:22] arp -a [23:22] configure the MII speed [23:23] e [23:23] I did change the cable with another computer [23:23] running arp -a now [23:23] i would guess it's just misreading something; don't change anything, just turn off the box, wait about a minute, and restart [23:23] sudo /usr/sbin/ethtool ethX | grep Speed -A 1 [23:23] erm.. i'd go with the obvious things first, rather than messing with arp tables [23:24] and don't restart/reboot to fix.. this isn't windows =P [23:24] lol [23:24] arp -a gives ? (192.168.1.1) at on eth0 [23:25] try get info with sudo /usr/sbin/ethtool eth0 [23:26] if the speed is misconfigured, you can restablish it to 1000Mbps with sudo /usr/sbin/ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full [23:26] only thing that looks out of please is link detedted: no [23:26] hardwire or wifi, butterball? [23:26] butterball: yeh, i'd worry more abotu the physical hardware [23:26] hardwire [23:26] try to plug and unplug the cables [23:26] i'm guessing... [23:26] yeah [23:27] power spike is more probable fried nic, port on router, cable [23:27] swap nic with another machine to rule it out [23:28] power outages provoke electromagnetic anomalies appointing to NICs [23:28] k.. I have a few of this nic card. [23:28] changed cable and same thing.. all lights on but nothing.. changing nic now [23:28] off to bed, night all [23:29] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:30] in power outages, the remote devices were still saturating higher energies to the NIC of this shutdowned PC provoking the rupture of the diodes. [23:34] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:35] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:41] mannynix (~mannynix@201.132.141.140) joined ##slackware. [23:44] militant (~militant@173-81-26-5-pkbg.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:51] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: slackware [23:51] no - look at which i/f is requested, not just ip [23:51] different nic and it is still doing the same thing. dmesg say's udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth3 [23:51] then the eth0 link down [23:51] look at options to gthostmyname - default may be localhost [23:52] sounds like udev is renaming device due to mac address issues [23:52] butterball: remove (or edit) /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [23:53] damnworkman beat me [23:53] :) [23:57] so how to obtain the IP address of the "active" nic? [23:59] jeev_ (~email@71-83-171-195.static.lsan.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:59] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:59] by adding a line to /etc/hosts "xx.xx.xx.xx hostname", and pass hostname to gethostbyname? [23:59] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Fri Feb 12 2010