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[00:22] mrselfpwn: if the soda has crossed the bus lines and caused a short then it is more trouble than it is worth to repair, however all logitech keyboards I have had have had a rubber safety layer to keep spills from getting in. [00:22] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:23] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:24] mfillpot: yeah. that is the thing. i don't actually remember spilling anything into it. I just assumed it was me, and since it was a gift i didn't have a reciept when i called logitech and now the warrenty is up. 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[00:37] mfillpot: I haven't tried yet; I was checking with youse before blasting my local copy. I noticed that 13.0 didn't get the update but -current did, whereas they used to get Firefox updates at nearly the same time [00:38] I think that pat may have just forgotten to push it to stable [00:38] it you want I can do it in my 32-bit stable install to test [00:39] sirius (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:39] No worries [00:39] I'm not worried about blasting that install since it is only for testing slackbuilds [00:39] I was just checking; that could be a case of either 'Pat forgot' or 'it breaks, so Pat did not put the package in' [00:39] Plus I'm on 64-bit [00:39] veritos: you can use the firefox menu bar help tab>>check for updates and get an update that way,its part of ffox [00:39] although that shouldn't make much difference [00:40] oh 64bit not sure about that [00:40] Rat409: This is Linux; we have package managers [00:40] no kidding [00:40] just a thought to each their own [00:41] brb.. going to try the ff install on stable [00:41] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:42] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:43] 3.5.7 didn't have any security updates for linux, so it's not generally a candidate for -stable series [00:43] rworkman: ah [00:43] Re updating in FF as opposed to the distro package, don't . [00:44] Among possibly other changes, we patch it to use $libdir/mozilla/plugins/ as the plugin directory - you won't get that with the "from FF upstream" update [00:44] noted [00:44] rworkman: heh, most of the more patch-friendly distributions (Gentoo and Ubuntu) grey out that menu option with their local patches [00:45] It won't work unless you're running it as root anyway, and none of our users should be doing that. [00:45] also, as they don't provide 64-bit, upgrading would be...interesting. [00:45] yea [00:46] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [00:46] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:46] Action: veritos wonders why Mozilla *still* doesn't patch things for 64-bit. In 2010. 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[02:05] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [02:06] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:10] sirius (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] omfg i loves slackware [02:16] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:19] Nick change: tuvok302Lappy -> tuvok302 [02:19] hehehe [02:21] i managed to solve my question [02:21] php support was ok, it was the php file in magento that was missing the close ?> [02:21] haha, dont you hate that? [02:22] yeah [02:22] glad you solved it :) [02:22] thanks :) [02:24] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.76.184) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:26] Ryzor (n=King@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:27] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:29] god morning:) [02:29] evenin' :) [02:29] hehe :D [02:29] where is it evening?:) [02:29] 00:30 here [02:30] canada :) [02:30] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] ok. 08:30 am here [02:30] Norway [02:30] timezones have a funny way of doing that :) [02:30] here is 5:40 am [02:31] 5:30* [02:31] brazil [02:31] i wish i could hibernate, like a bear, but only for a month and then not sleep for 11 months... and then repeat... [02:31] hehehe [02:31] hehe [02:32] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] 2920 hours (avg 8 hours a night * 365 nights) vs 720 hours (one month straight) that's a difference of 2200 hours! imagine how much could be done in that extra 2200 hours.... [02:34] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-73-140.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:35] BeZerk (n=MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [02:38] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-73-140.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [02:38] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-188.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:39] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:41] Aweso, try polyphasing. Just don't operate any heavy machinery or drive :p [02:41] K3yvn_Server (i=0@ip70-181-115-119.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] Action: Aweso googles polyphasing [02:42] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-12-197.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:42] hcfd, i should try using AC power? ... ... [02:42] Look at the uberman schedule (typically 30mins in every 4 hours spent asleep, or 20mins in every 4 hours). [02:42] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] lol [02:42] polyphasic sleep [02:42] gotcha, lol [02:43] For what it's worth, I tried it for two weeks and was a wreck because I didn't quite do it in a disciplined fashion. Well, either that or it doesn't work. [02:44] 4.5 hours sleep at night and 1.5 hours in the afternoon is definitely closer to an optimal pattern [02:44] It beats 6 hours at night hands down [02:44] Polyphasing.. well.. it's extreme and doesn't tolerate any disruption.. so I don't think it's very practical, though some have been known to make it work [02:45] but i'm still sleeping in all of those scenarios... :( i want to eliminate that pesky sleep thing completely, haha [02:45] Axius (n=gi@92.82.95.9) joined ##slackware. [02:45] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-62.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:45] Most people will tell you it's just an urban myth that it works, but look at Dr. Claudio Stampi's work. I don't think it's conclusively unworkable. [02:45] You and me both. [02:46] We'll just have to wait until Ray Kurzweil figures out how to upload our brains, eh? [02:46] i would settle for my hibernation idea... but if i coulod reduce my hibernation idea by... 719 hours, primo. [02:46] Or you know, accept our limitations and get some honest-to-goodness sleep. [02:46] hcfd, oh, i like the sound of that [02:46] sleeping is so boring, i'm a pro at it -- if only there was something else i could be as good at... [02:46] Aweso, baby steps man, baby steps. Try less core sleep and a nap in the afternoon. Adjust to taste. See how you feel then. [02:47] Quality of concentration/alertness is key, not quantity. :) [02:47] true true [02:48] for me the best number of hours of sleep is 7h [02:48] if i sleep less than it i'm a wreck [02:48] When it comes to the notion of 'wow, if I had more time I could achieve so much more'.. I think that's a fallacy. If you had better habits, you would spend your time more wisely, more efficiently. That's all. [02:48] confusid (n=confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] i like hcfd's idea of the 4 hours and 2 hour nap... [02:49] Mp3: And do you take a while to fall asleep? Most people sleep optimally with a pattern in which sleep periods are multiples of 1.5hr [02:49] sometimes i do [02:49] The key is 1.5 x n, Aweso. 3 hours, or 4.5, not 4. Or 3.75. [02:49] oooh 1.5... hmmm ok 4.5 and 1.5 hour nap [02:49] wonderful [02:50] Aweso, figure out when your mid-afternoon dip is, and sleep then. Keep the same schedule (same wake and sleep times) for at least a couple of weeks. [02:50] i was wondering one of these days, and i figured i could sleep when my heartbeating was not accelerated [02:50] when it is i can't sleep at all [02:50] You'll feel more tired for the first week, back to normal on the second, stellar on the third. Or you might do even better... but stick to two weeks to be safe. [02:52] i might be able to try this, good thing i am jobless atm, lol [02:52] gonna try sleeping 6h then :) [02:52] to see if you're right hehe [02:52] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Hello, I'm trying to find information on partition size's. The howto's say to use an 8Gig / when in other linux's I would use a max of 1Gig [02:52] Mp3, don't forget, two weeks to test it out [02:52] k [02:53] confusid partition to what for? [02:53] ah [02:53] for / [02:53] Mp3, I've mucked about with sleep for years. I've a reasonable idea of what works on a day-to-day basis, how to pull 60 hour stints (and be productive)...and how long it takes to recover (and how best to recover). Still, for all that, I'm still a mess when it comes to sleep. At times. [02:53] confusid, do you have your swap partition already? [02:53] all of them.. /, /var, /usr, etc.. [02:53] sitting on the window to make them now [02:53] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:54] hcd that's cool, i sometimes sleep a lot and don't feel rested [02:54] confusid, I don't believe there's much benefit in spreading every folder across partitions. Most people just have /home, swap and / [02:54] k [02:54] i just use swap and / ... easier for me that way [02:54] Mp3: Routine and the 1.5hr multiples are key really. [02:54] /var is also useful in servers [02:54] me too, just one for swap and / [02:55] sahk0, right. [02:55] what about reinstalling so you don't loose your /home..? [02:55] In fact, I have / and no swap, and I mount a remote share in /home [02:55] if your /home is in a different partition you don't have to worry about it [02:55] confusid, if you are concerned about reinstalling and losing /home, then maybe make it a partition [02:56] I'm not sure if I'm right about not needing swap, but I have 4GB RAM and modest demands on my system.. so I didn't feel a swap would be of much benefit. [02:56] or do hcfd's idea of a remote share... [02:56] I did an install of slackware and like it.. now reinstalling to configure it out correctly [02:56] hcfd i don't think you need :) [02:56] only if you're gonna use more than 4gb at once [02:56] hcfd same here with 4g ram [02:57] at once i mean 4gb with all apps together [02:57] when do you start needing swap, that's one thing i've never really understood... [02:57] Mp3, yeah, usually 3GB RAM used for buffers.. unless I fire up Dynamips and a few VMs, but even then there's plenty to go around. Might up it to 8GB when RAM prices drop a little. [02:57] swap is used when you reach the max ram [02:57] so the system swaps the memory with the hdd [02:57] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [02:57] Aweso, familiar with Windows page files/virtual memory? [02:58] And what Mp3 said. [02:58] thanks :) [02:58] Action: hcfd sighs deeply [02:58] hcfd, yes i am familiar, unfortunately [02:59] I have a VB.NET exam in an hour and a half and I haven't revised. I don't think I even want to start. [02:59] are you pro at vb.net? [02:59] Aweso, well, linux swap == Windows pagefile, more or less [02:59] roger that [03:00] No, not pro at all. I've seen it. Hate it. I think I remember enough about it to do alright in the exam. Not top marks, but maybe 80% on that section. That'll do for me. [03:00] coolio [03:01] Starting a position as a Java programmer soon though, working on GUIs with Swing as part of it. [03:01] It's just an internship, but it's paid, etc. [03:01] sounds like fun [03:02] i leave in 3 days to teach english [03:02] I like Java a lot, yeah. Not as fun as networking stuff, but fun and useful all the same. [03:02] Ohh, where are you teaching? [03:03] i like networking too [03:03] viet nam [03:03] akar (n=oijhif@92.82.95.9) joined ##slackware. [03:03] programming sux :( [03:03] i wish i was better at it [03:03] i like networking, and server management, that's what got me into linux [03:04] it stared as "i want my own CS:S server" and grew into samba and nfs and apache.... and... i love linux, slack esp. [03:04] Mp3, it takes the time and effort. You need to write programs to get better at it, and better yet, write as much pseudocode as you can stomach, first, then write a testplan, THEN do the coding. Nothing worse than stressing over syntax and methods/functions AND trying to think through the logic and flow all at once. [03:05] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:05] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:05] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.211.233) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:06] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [03:06] i know a bit about C [03:06] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:06] trying to learn OOP [03:06] Mp3, well Java or Python might be a start into OOP [03:06] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:07] Though I suppose there are C derivatives and extensions, too. I'm not too familiar with what's what in the C family though. I believe in C, but not necessarily the others :) [03:07] yeah, i'm interested in learning java, got a book here [03:07] head first java [03:07] i used to do php when i was 16ish... but [03:08] php and java are derived from C [03:08] yeah [03:08] Nick change: stunix -> stianskj [03:08] Aweso, Vietnam sounds interesting. heh. So you're into the server/application/admin end of networking... what about switching and routing, Cisco gear, etc? [03:09] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) joined ##slackware. [03:09] There are lots of languages that try to be C-like in syntax, but that's just a convenience. They don't "work like C" at the lower level. [03:10] Ergo, Java is not C and C is not Java, though certain keywords and syntax may be identical or alike. [03:10] right [03:10] Nick change: stianskj -> stunix [03:10] hcfd, um... well can configure my home router... but outside of my slack 10.2 box... i don't know much about networking, i just find it interesting as a hobby/pasttime [03:10] Java runs in the JVM. [03:10] but php is very similar [03:10] hcfd, yeah, Viet Nam is going to be great, i'm uber excited... [03:11] one thing i love in php is that i don't need to tell what is the type of the variable [03:11] man, that sux [03:11] akar (n=oijhif@92.82.95.9) left irc: "Leaving" [03:11] Aweso, 10.2 eh? Any reason not to upgrade? heh. I'm doing the CCNA atm, just a few months to go and then I'll sit the exam and pass. I tell you, compared to home routers, real networks are different animals altogether. It has been a real eye-opener :) [03:12] yeah 10.2, well... i had the server running -- and it still isn't broken, so i havn't fixed it, so to speak. [03:12] Mp3, weakly typed. I'd hate that... I like to know what's going on! I prefer strong(er)ly typed languages [03:13] Aweso, Slack isn't your workstation OS? [03:13] That's all wrong! [03:13] hcfd, i want to put -current on this laptop (running vista atm *puke*) but i am still doing research on the wireless and such ... this is the only workstation i have left... [03:13] What's your wireless chipset? [03:14] um... yeah see... um... :D there is so much snow here! wow.... [03:14] slack did recognize my wireless from start [03:14] If you want to use KDE I'd advise starting with 12.2 and updating whatever you feel necessary rather than 13/current as KDE4 sucks balls imho :p [03:14] an intel 4965agn [03:15] but i'm not in slack right now, installed it as a vm [03:15] akar (n=oijhif@92.82.95.9) joined ##slackware. [03:15] i have slack 11 on a VM on this laptop [03:15] Hmm. [03:15] It strikes me that you should have Windows as a VM :p [03:15] but it hangs at the detecting hardwar hotplug... [03:15] hcfd i totaly agree kde 4 sucks [03:15] dErFz (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:16] i never figured out gaming on linux though -- and i am a big gamer... that's why i always end up back at windoze [03:16] i liked the way kde 3 was, i could easily change it to look the way i liked [03:16] Aweso that's my problem too :( [03:16] I use WinXP VM with VirtualBox and it works flawlessly in Seamless mode... except that I can't drag Windows windows across xinerama displays.. they're confined to one display. [03:16] Axius (n=gi@92.82.95.9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-218.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:16] i like gaming [03:16] If I could solve that then it'd be like having Slack and Win in bed together. heh. [03:16] lol hcfd [03:17] As it is, I have Windows on one display, Slack/linux apps on the other two. [03:18] It just blows when I want to copy and paste between... or move files between... I have to use network shares [03:18] damn, i often have a hard enough time getting my resolution right on one display, let alone 3! [03:18] Simple: 3 matched displays, same settings on each. [03:18] hehe [03:18] fair enough [03:19] if i could kick my gaming habit, slack'd be all i need [03:19] http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/hcfd/?action=view¤t=28112009171.jpg&newest=1 [03:19] I love my setup. [03:19] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] oh thanks a lot hcfd now i need to change my undies... gosh... [03:20] heh [03:20] i can has ur setup? [03:20] i'll give you a hi-5.... [03:20] I think it's perfect, besides the ergonomics of the 'desk' [03:21] confusid (n=confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:21] I could do with a higher chair and that'd cure it I suppose. It's just marginally less than optimal. :) [03:21] Ahah! [03:22] your chair doesn't have the pneumatic lift option? [03:22] No.. each display cost me 150GBP, 30GBP x 2 for two graphics cards, 180GBP for the keyboard... nevermind the rest of the machine [03:22] It does. It's just not high enough. [03:22] Actually, my chair is worn out. It tilts back but I can't lock it straight. I prefer a nice straight backed chair. [03:23] dErFz (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) joined ##slackware. [03:23] Action: hcfd will have to rectify this [03:23] how about a phonebook? [03:23] Notice the stool under the 'desk' for a footrest [03:23] Naw, I'm just going to get a new chair. [03:23] too dark to see under the desk [03:23] maybe it's my brightness [03:24] hrrr, those are regular 16:9 monitors turned 90 degrees? [03:24] http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/hcfd/?action=view¤t=27102009139.jpg&newest=1 [03:24] Urchlay, yup. [03:24] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] you ought to cover up the corners of each one, then they'd look like the displays on the Galactica :) [03:24] (^-- you can see the stool there I suppose. Note the centre monitor this time is a mismatch, since rectified) [03:25] Urchlay, hehe [03:26] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] Next mission is maybe 4 x 22" 16:9 monitors in a 2x2 config, normal orientation [03:26] there's the stool [03:26] i have a 22" samsung downstairs [03:26] tried to rotate my X display 90 degrees in some ancient (4.0? 3.3?) xfree86 server, it was a card-specific option for whatever card I had, but performance went thru the floor (because it turned off XAA or whatever 2d accel method it used) [03:27] too bad, a 21" CRT turned sideways was quite nice for reading lots of text [03:27] Urchlay, yeah? I'm a fairly recent Slack/linux convert. Things went smoothly for me. Longtime multihead user on 'doze though. [03:27] Action: hcfd nods [03:28] portrait (or longest side vertical) is far better than widescreen [03:28] I used to run multihead at home, never bothered setting it up again after the last time I moved [03:28] If you wanna game, get a PS3. If you wanna watch movies, get a TV. [03:28] Yeah? [03:29] Man.. I can't stand anything but my own setup. 'Normal' computers, one 4:3 display and a mouse and a cheap shitty keyboard.. drives me nuts. [03:29] eh, I do play games & watch movies on the same box, a lot cheaper than buying a PS3 and a TV (plus I'd need a computer anyway) [03:29] triplehead portrait, trackball, Topre switch keyboard or buckling spring keyboard.... nothing else will do! [03:29] Ahhh [03:29] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:30] yah, trakballs rock. Got an old kensington "expert mouse" trakball I used left-handed [03:30] I solve that issue with a 28" CRT widescreen TV (ancient) and a P3 box running Slack as media player. And I don't game. :) [03:30] morning ;) [03:30] Nice, man. I have a Logitech Trackman Marble Wheel atm and a CST L-Trac on the way. [03:30] dunno what I'll do when the mechanism finally dies, the new kensingtons cost a ton and I bet $$$ they're not as well-made as this old thing is [03:30] Morning o/ [03:31] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:31] well I don't "game" the way most people mean the word (no WoW, got bored with FPSes) but I do like to fire up emulators for a blast from the past sometimes [03:31] Urchlay, you should check out geekhack.org for reviews on input devices. They are insanely dedicated and knowledgeable. Most of 'em are collectors and have tried everything. New Kensingtons seem to be smoother if anything, ergonomically the new Expert definitely requires wrist rest, according to a straw poll anyways. [03:31] morning The-Croupier [03:31] Nick change: oobe -> `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` [03:32] Nick change: `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` -> oobe [03:32] ugh, I'm trying not to think about ergonomics. Currently using a dresser as a desk [03:32] Urchlay, I figured the CST L-Trac would suit me better, though the Kensington is probably as good. Scroll ring is plastic on plastic though and I don't think it's built to last in the same way the CST is. [03:32] Nick change: oobe -> `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` [03:32] Nick change: `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` -> oobe [03:32] Urchlay, amen! I actually have a Win98SE box for old games. Actual box plugged into my KVM. hehe. [03:32] honestly I don't really want a "scroll ring", it'd be one of those things I never used, except when I accidentally bump it [03:32] Ouch! [03:33] Yeah? [03:33] I couldn't live without a scroll wheel of some sort. [03:33] mouse with no scroll? [03:33] 0_0 [03:33] it stinks hehe [03:33] pageup/pagedown or arrows... or in browsers, spacebar makes a nice big target to hit [03:33] Three screens... I browse lots of pages at once when doing assignments and that. [03:34] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [03:34] maybe I'd use a scroll wheel if I ever found one that wasn't built into the 3rd button (I *hate* being unable to paste in X without scrolling a random direction 50% of the time) [03:34] Mp3, you mentioned earlier that slack picked up your wireless no problem on your laptop? was that you? [03:34] Ryzor (n=King@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:35] yes [03:35] may i ask what kind of laptop? [03:35] hp dv9000 [03:35] crashdata (n=crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] ugh, I could really wish Pat would put ndiswrapper on the slack CD/DVD [03:36] ok, cool [03:36] can someone point me to the right direction, i need ms font [03:36] not that it'd really help unless it came with a selection of windows drivers too :( [03:36] intel 4965agn [03:36] Urchlay, exactly. [03:36] the card [03:36] ms font? [03:36] Anyway, I've got an exam to get to. See you all later. o/ [03:36] good luck hcfd [03:36] crashdata: Look for Mr. Font in the phone book, Ms. Font lives at his hoise. [03:36] house [03:36] microsoft font. calibri, times new roman, etc [03:36] john_dee (n=id@95-29-145-188.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [03:37] grab it from windows [03:37] gl hcfd [03:38] crashdata, which font do you need? [03:38] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:38] heh, I bet if you put the filename of the font you need into google, along with the string "index of", you'd find a dir full of fonts including the one you need somewhere [03:38] Aweso, calibri, times new roman [03:39] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] slackware already has a "times" font though... [03:40] (I take that back, it has more than one) [03:40] my problem when i read .doc or .docx file its not showing properly [03:41] what did u guys do to fix this? [03:42] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] i can't help you, not using office apps here [03:42] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] just installed the system [03:43] i just need the download link? [03:43] crashdata, i can send you a zip of calibri and times from vista, if you like [03:43] sure [03:44] i'll email them to you, pm me your email [03:47] akar (n=oijhif@92.82.95.9) left irc: "Leaving" [03:47] Aweso i got it, thanks [03:47] great [03:48] anyone concerned or read anything about satellites, ( satellite software development, software in general, satellite technology...etc) in the beginning of search and need some pointers where to start..:( anyone seen or played with such thing? [03:49] id say start with control systems and astronautics [03:49] negative The-Croupier, sorry [03:49] hr. Anyone know of a console mp3 player than can play "seamlessly", as in, no short bits of silence between tracks? [03:49] mplayer and mpg123 can't seem to do it [03:49] Urchlay [03:49] it's because of the file format [03:50] mp3 is made this way [03:50] you have to use a plugin like in winamp it has it built in [03:50] eh, not really, I mean if there's an inherent delay due to the way it's encoded, a player could go ahead & decode the start of the next file while playing the last few seconds of the current one [03:50] im pretty sure mplayer has crossfading effect [03:51] you like to listen live records? [03:51] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:51] don't really want crossfading, just want the end of track 1 of this album to segue into track 2 the way it was intended to (on the CD) [03:51] Mp3: yeah [03:51] so it doesn't have the gap between the songs [03:51] it's what i said [03:51] The-Croupier, try here. its the whole course from MIT http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Aeronautics-and-Astronautics/16-851Fall2003/CourseHome/ [03:51] though right this minute I'm listening to a studio album that was made that way [03:51] let me get the explanation for you [03:52] I don't really need the explanation, am not going to write my own mp3 player tonight [03:52] i know :) [03:52] i told about it because it is in the format itself [03:53] just wondering if anyone happened to know of a console mp3 player that already exists and can do what I want... guess nobody does :( [03:53] lemme search if there is such a player [03:53] yeah if you are that picky why not just use a real cd player >.> [03:53] eh, I also know how to search. Was looking for recommendations from actual humans... [03:53] h4ngedm4n: because I have about a thousand CDs and live in 10x12 room without a closet? [03:54] be less picky then [03:54] ok [03:54] gee, thanks [03:54] if you don't want help [03:54] i wont [03:54] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-218.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:54] h4ngedm4n: if I wanted abuse, I'd call my ex... [03:55] you're the one who's doing it, i was trying to help you are make remarks to whatever i say [03:56] i take verbal abuse for $5/10 minutes.... [03:56] what's the matter if i don't know it right now but be able to find? [03:56] stunix (i=1000@85.19.141.138) left irc: "I hurt myself today, to see if I still feel." [03:56] Mp3: eh, I wasn't complaining at you [03:58] mpg123 looks like it have it built in too [03:58] did you try it? [03:58] hm, you mean real mpg123 or mpg321? [03:59] what is the difference Urchlay [03:59] support for gapless playback of mp3 files (skipping encoder/decoder padding/junk) [03:59] i've never heard of 321 [03:59] mpg321 is basically a rewrite of mpg123 [03:59] stianskj (i=1000@85.19.141.138) joined ##slackware. [03:59] http://www.mpg123.de/features.shtml [04:00] mrselfpwn: actual mpg123 isn't in slackware any more: $ ls -l /usr/bin/mpg123 [04:00] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2008-05-17 20:18 /usr/bin/mpg123 -> mpg321* [04:00] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Urchlay: then what am I running, as i'm up with slackware-current [04:01] mpg123 --gapless "Nine Inch Nails - 05 - Closer.mp3" "Nine Inch Nails - 06 - Ruiner.mp3" [04:01] the usage [04:01] --gapless, how could it be so simple. [04:01] :D [04:02] ah NIN does sound good [04:02] Mp3: yeah, I had to go actually install mpg123 [04:02] maybe some tool first. ;) [04:02] mpg321 lacks the --gapless option [04:02] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] mine has mpg123 [04:03] but i think it as a symlink, who knows [04:03] :) [04:03] Mp3: if you actually have a working --gapless option, it's real mpg123 [04:03] it isn't [04:04] it told the --gapless wasn't found too [04:04] and yeah, now that I have mpg123 instead of a fake symlink to mpg321, you're right, the --gapless option works [04:04] i got the usage from a forum :) [04:04] I think real mpg123 is in /extra [04:04] agh! --gapless didn't quite work [04:05] track 1 to 2 transition was seamless enough, but 2 to 3 wasn't :( [04:05] what did you use to rip it? [04:05] or did you download [04:05] I ripped it eons ago, no idea what I might have used back then [04:05] lame, maybe [04:05] nasshi (n=nasshi@conr-adsl-dhcp-64-92-1-192.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] did you remove the gap between? [04:06] there was no gap, on the original CD [04:06] hmmm [04:06] no big deal [04:06] I'll figure it out later, it's 4AM anyway [04:06] nasshi (n=nasshi@conr-adsl-dhcp-64-92-1-192.consolidated.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:12] crashdata (n=crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:12] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:14] Mp3, sorry i keep asking you about your wireless, would you happen to know where i could check my chipset against what slackware works with off the disc? [04:17] what is your chipset? [04:17] 3945ABG (that sound right?) [04:17] intel? [04:18] yes [04:18] intel PRO/wireless 3945ABG [04:18] k [04:18] crashdata, thanks [04:18] he left a bit ago [04:19] what version are you using Aweso? [04:19] in slack 13 it has support [04:20] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [04:20] well i'd probably grab 12.2 (i have 11 discs burnt though...) i'm a kde guy, and from what i've heard 13's kde4 is balls... but i have not tired it myself [04:20] yeah, --gapless doesn't really work (it does reduce the gap, not remove it). Almost certainly it's because it doesn't open & start reading the 2nd file until after the 1st one is done playing (so it's I/O delay, not encoder delay) [04:22] the player would have to be clever enough to go "OK, current song ends in 10 seconds, let me go ahead & start a thread to open & prepare the next file, then pause until this file's done" [04:22] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Aweso http://hardware4linux.info/component/14172/ [04:23] a guy there in the comments said it works [04:23] oh cool site, thanks! [04:24] np :) [04:24] Urchlay can you send me those 2 mp3s? [04:24] Urchlay: did you try vlc, or mplayer? i was almost certain one of those does such a thing, if you play around with the songlist ;) [04:24] i'm on windows and i can check if it is ok [04:24] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:24] Mp3: I got pretty much no upstream available, it'd take longer than I'm going to be awake for [04:24] Urchlay: also, check the empty space in the end of the first mp3 file and the beginning of the second ;) or both ends of the files ;) [04:24] I'll mess with it tomorrow after sleep [04:25] ok [04:25] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) joined ##slackware. [04:25] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Urchlay: even with simpler players, you could reduce/delete the spaces in front and end of the files ;) worst comes to worst ;) [04:27] i'd bet that even if the cd was live, it included a gap when ripping, idk why [04:28] that's why i wanted to check [04:28] EAC has a calculate gap option to use before ripping [04:30] found 2 songs here that one starts just as the other ends like in a live, gonna test with and without the option and tell you [04:32] nice, so if i get slack 12.2 my wireless should just work, pending i use the 2.6 kernel [04:32] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:35] now i just have to remember how to choose that kernel, and maybe i'll get slack up on this laptop before i go to viet nam... [04:35] and.. i'm thinking aloud again... sorry [04:37] hehehe [04:37] you guys know how do i set up an ftp server? [04:37] i don't want to make samba right now [04:37] proftpd? [04:38] i used that once... [04:38] i think you just turn on the startup script in /etc/rc.d/ but i could be wrong [04:38] (and edit the conf file of course) [04:38] ftp is handled by inetd by defoult in slack [04:38] sirius (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:38] Nick change: Zordrak__ -> Zordrak [04:39] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:40] see? that's me trying to help but being uber wrong... [04:40] Action: Aweso apologizes.. [04:40] thanks Zordrak [04:41] i got it, changed the conf file so i could start it by command line [04:42] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:45] i'm using vsftpd [04:45] thanks too Aweso :) [04:45] np man, i am so good at wrong answers... [04:46] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:47] hehehe [04:47] :) [04:47] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:48] Action: slava_dp waves to Zordrak [04:48] sup [04:49] holidays are over, work once again :) [04:49] aye.. so long as work stays where it is [04:49] what is this work you speak of? [04:49] Action: Aweso is jobless atm... hehe [04:49] Action: velusip high-fives Aweso! [04:50] i got a high-five!!! [04:50] Unemployed 4 life! [04:50] Zordrak, did yours move? [04:50] Action: Aweso high-fives back!! [04:50] nah.. just never certain how long itll stay open [04:50] only job i have is standing in the unemplyoment line, mwahahaa [04:50] oh, the crisis. [04:51] Plus i dont know how much longer i can spend an hour in stationary traffic driving in cos the snow makes people go from poor driving to retarded driving [04:52] Action: Zordrak has reached a new stage of combined apathy and lethargy regarding work [04:52] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:52] I just need to find a nice farm to work on. Locals only, stone asphalt roads, 56k... [04:53] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:53] cannabis growing in the backyard... [04:54] i mean.. what? [04:54] The cats love it. [04:54] what, cannabis or 56k? [04:54] Zordrak: you need a name for that stage... cos seems like lots of ppl are in the same situation (including me) [04:54] I... why? [04:55] apathargy [04:55] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [04:55] gonna make coffe [04:55] if i can be bothered [04:56] dtanner: i read that as apath-Orgy :( [04:56] What happens when lots of emos congregate. [04:56] Zordrak: man... you need holidays [04:56] s/holidays/vacation/ [04:56] slava_dp: that one ;) [04:57] No. i need a pay rise.. a subordinate member of staff, job security and clearer roads [04:57] alejandro (n=alejandr@186.97.63.45) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Nick change: alejandro -> dissociative [04:57] i'm trying to upload 2 songs to the server, but it isn't working [04:57] no error message [04:57] If the work is intriguing or engaging, why would you need more money? At least its interesting! [04:57] Zordrak, fair enough [04:58] velusip: um. food and shit. [04:58] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:58] velusip: and when you have no job security, work is neither intriguing nor engaging anyway [04:59] bleh. coffee. [04:59] Nick change: stianskj -> stunix [05:00] get some Krispy Kreme donuts to go with that bleh coffee [05:00] temporary satisfaction albeit [05:00] I don't think I've ever had job security. I just sort of expect my department to get downsized or outsourced any morning. [05:00] Action: dtanner loads a bowl [05:00] Probably on a Friday. [05:00] s/donut/doughnut/ :) [05:01] doughknot? [05:01] and a naught in the middle [05:01] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:01] is there any partition number type for XFS? [05:02] nope, it's linux. [05:02] thats 83 right? [05:02] 83 [05:02] yay me! hehe [05:02] You'll format it later anyway, what's the difference? [05:03] and windblows will say it's "unknown partition" anyway [05:04] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:05] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.82.197) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:05] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] vhargon (n=geno@122.58.188.36) joined ##slackware. [05:06] got the ftpd working :) [05:07] Mp3, yay :D [05:07] i'm checking if the gapless option is working now [05:07] dissociative (n=alejandr@186.97.63.45) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:07] dissociative (n=alejandr@186.97.63.45) joined ##slackware. [05:11] it did ok [05:11] tested with --gapless and without [05:11] with, no gap at all [05:11] without it had a little gap [05:13] how do I mount a ntfs filesystem in slackware with read persmission for non root users? [05:13] just read? [05:13] yes [05:13] for now [05:16] when I mount the partition the mountpoint permissions change to only only readable-executable by root [05:17] hello, i tried knetworkconf from kde4 systemsettings, but it doesn't work... anyone tried it with success? [05:17] put the umask to 022 [05:18] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29193 [05:18] in there explains [05:18] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] even though it's ubuntu :P [05:19] so helpful! [05:20] ? [05:20] dissociative: mount -t ntfs-3g -o user /dev/foo /foo/bar [05:22] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [05:23] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:23] _vhargon_ (n=geno@125-237-37-74.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Urchlay -o is for what? [05:23] options [05:23] ops [05:23] urthwrm [05:23] hmmm thx [05:25] vhargon (n=geno@122.58.188.36) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:26] does all notebooks contain efi partitions? [05:26] nowadays [05:26] umno [05:27] I was going to make room for slackware with gparted and I found lot of hidden partitions [05:27] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [05:27] mine had only one if i remember correctly [05:28] it removed it later on [05:28] I* [05:30] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Razec (i=1000@187-27-210-3.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:30] time for me to do that dreaded sleep thing, take care #slackware, and thanks Mp3 for your help :) [05:31] you welcome [05:33] AtuM (n=damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:34] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:35] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [05:39] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:39] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:40] the sleep thing ain't that bad [05:40] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [05:43] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:43] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:45] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:47] hej are there any options of Xorg serv which affects performance, besides the xaa options ? [05:47] (which recently I get known of .... ) [05:51] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.70.248) joined ##slackware. [05:54] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [05:55] slava_dp: the sleep thing, is always good, when time is available ;) [05:56] The-Croupier, i was having lack of sleep even during the holidays. it's like a disease. [05:57] i slept for 14 hours, and that was on a bus trip ;) [05:57] slept :( kind of anyway...but it was the only time i slept more than 4 hours ;) [05:57] slava_dp: how did you manage that? "even on holidays" [05:57] 4 hours won't by far be enough for me [05:57] Mornin all [05:58] i dunno how. i just go to sleep really late. the evening goes on and on.... and then i have to wake up for work. [06:04] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:08] mindbendr (n=neveraga@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hqtlrbfsjfpewizm) joined ##slackware. [06:10] Razec (i=1000@187-27-210-3.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] guax (n=guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [06:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) left irc: [06:16] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) joined ##slackware. [06:17] what is a libexec dir? [06:17] ? [06:17] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-73-140.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] crn_ (n=crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:20] lol [06:21] Linux seems a very useful tool for wipping out viruses of an offloaded windows [06:22] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [06:25] hcfd (n=fed@host86-140-249-96.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:26] how do I clean up temporary files manually ? [06:26] oops [06:26] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:27] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-162-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [06:27] hi there [06:27] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.43.205) joined ##slackware. [06:29] if by 'wiping out viruses' you mean 'delete entire files', then sure. [06:30] yep [06:30] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:31] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] i would recommend using one of the free antivirus tools available from within Linux to clean Windows [06:33] sometimes I wish I could control lilo or a boot loader remotely [06:33] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:33] even the BIOS setup may be [06:33] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:34] wiping entire files, especially system ones, may lead to more problems than benefits [06:34] Delahunt: I'm using clamav [06:34] kewl [06:34] Nick change: _vhargon_ -> vhargon [06:34] if you buy server class hardware, you can get remote access to those functions [06:34] and yes destroying system files may cause problems [06:35] I more or less know which are teh windows system files [06:35] why? because they end in .dll? 8-) [06:35] Delahunt: by their filenames and paths [06:36] ananke: I was thinking about if I can boot lilo through pxe or something like that and then instruct with default OS to boot [06:37] ah I also was going to ask if a iso file can be booted through pxe [06:37] like a normal cdrom [06:38] use syslinux for pxe booting, and simply tell it to boot from the local drive. [06:38] no. [06:38] rbellamy (n=rbellamy@adsl-68-127-138-161.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Don't follow me" [06:38] as in, no it can't [06:38] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.99.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:39] dru1d (n=dru1d@ip-82-177-172-217.net.azartsat.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:40] but it seems like theorically possible.. [06:40] or mount a install filesystem [06:41] there is no 'mounting' [06:41] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:41] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:44] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:47] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:48] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:55] most viruses that people around me get are trojans that can easily be removed by locating and deleting the corresponding dlls. the locating part can get tricky though. [06:55] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] just today a trojan has eaten up my chief's windose. i couldn't locate it, so he reinstalled ;) [06:56] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:56] i don't bother with windose too much. a bad os is a bad os. [06:58] Aweso: please check your IRC client. You are joining/parting a lot [06:59] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:59] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:01] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:30] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:31] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [07:32] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:33] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] i need an advice. i've been reading a lot on lvm and luks but i still have gaps in understanding. if i want to have a fully-encrypted setup, do I need my /boot to be located inside or outside of lvm? [07:34] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:34] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Camarade1Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:36] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] slava_dp, /boot OUTSIDE of the LVM, outside of the LUKS [07:37] basically, create one partition (100mb or even smaller like say 64MB) is going to be for /boot (ext2 filesystem works great) [07:38] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:38] then create the next partition and make it very large (it is where the LUKS and LVM will go) [07:38] Nick change: Camarade1Tux -> Camarade_Tux [07:38] so say you have a 250gb hard drive and you shrank windows down to 20GB, that would mean that: [07:38] no reason it cant be a journaling fs.. i use 256MB of ext4 [07:38] sda1 windows 20GB [07:38] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] sda2 boot 100MB [07:38] sda3 slackluks 229GB [07:39] Zordrak, never said it can't be [07:39] i just don't see any of the stereotypical advantages of journaling being needed [07:39] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:40] for instance, i doubt fsck time is going to be significant when you have maybe 10-20 files in a 64mb or so partition (again, size is up to you, but /boot don't need to be that big at all) [07:40] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] i have four kernels all with initrds and that accounts for 22MB in my /boot [07:40] and these are all generic-smp-ish kernels so size is a bit big for a kernel [07:41] ok, got this far. then I create an initrd with luks and lvm, right? [07:41] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:42] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] yes [07:43] you've read README_CRYPT.TXT ? [07:43] i did. right, will try it on a virtual machine first :) [07:43] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:44] um ok ... 8-S [07:44] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] first off, do you have something to back up all your information with? [07:44] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.76.184) left irc: Connection timed out [07:44] second, what is your machine's processor and speed, hard drive size and speed, and system RAM size and type? [07:45] ehm, it [07:45] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] it's going to be a clean hdd, i'll start fresh on my laptop. [07:45] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:45] (fwiw i don't recommend 256bit key size like in README_CRYPT.TXT on anything smaller than a dual processor system with at least 1GB RAM) [07:45] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:45] core2duo 2ghz, 2gb ram, 160 gig hdd [07:46] the ram is ddr2-667 [07:46] you should be able to do it nicely [07:46] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] ok, so about your hard drive, do you have something to back up ALL your information on? [07:46] the README_CRYPT.TXT recommends scrambling your hard drive with garbage data, which I recommend if you have the time and/or patience [07:46] it's mostly backed up, not a problem. [07:46] firedix (n=firedix@host97.200-117-140.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [07:47] i will do scrambling, for sure. [07:47] second, once you encrypt the local hard drive, i would recommend also encrypting all your backups [07:47] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:47] no sense having an encrypted laptop if your portable hard drive isn't encrypted and you accidentally leave it somewhere [07:47] 8-) [07:48] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:48] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] :-) my backups are on the desktop at home [07:49] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:50] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:50] so basically i will have two physical partitions on my hdd, then luks on the second one, then lvm inside the luks. is my understanding correct? [07:50] so that I enter only one passphrase on boot. [07:51] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:52] how heavy is the overhead of the encryption? if you say I need at least a gigabyte of ram..... [07:52] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:52] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:52] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [07:53] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Axius (n=gi@92.85.211.5) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:56] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:56] yes [07:56] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:56] the overhead? no, not 1GB RAM, but it's significant [07:56] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: "Leaving" [07:57] think half way between ata100 and your current sata in terms of speed [07:57] it's like losing one generation of hard drive speed improvement [07:57] it's worth the peace of mind though [07:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:57] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [07:57] (your laptop would be faster if it were VIA with the ACE Padlock system, but oh well, blame Intel with predatory business practices) [07:57] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [07:57] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:58] i doubt that my laptop would be faster with via... ;-) [07:58] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [07:58] yes it would. the ace padlock is a dedicated AES decrypt/encrypt engine [07:58] think of it as removing all the load LUKS puts on your system (in terms of CPU at least) [07:58] but VIA cpu's are not the fastest in the world. [07:59] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:59] i never said their CPUs [07:59] kk, got that :) [07:59] this is a dedicated decrypt/encrypt processor, separate of the CPUs [07:59] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Action: Delahunt wonders if they have it in PCMCIA / expresscard form [07:59] well, that's a nice chip to have in your box. [07:59] yeah you should google for ace padlock linux [08:00] there's a benchmark someone did of using its entropy engine, made random number generation 10x faster or something obscene [08:00] er, disregard, it doesn't have one of those iirc, i think it was encrypt/decrypt operations [08:00] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:00] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:01] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:02] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Action: slava_dp considers encrypting only /home for the sake of speed... nothing very personal on the storage partition and on root too. [08:03] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-96-11.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:03] and swap of course.... swap needs encryption for suspending to disk [08:04] Nick change: ^MAssEy^ -> MAssEy [08:05] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:05] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:06] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:06] Does anyone knows a site for free shell account? [08:07] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:40] kde 4.3.90 is nice [08:41] maybe i will finally be able to make use of nepomuk... kept it disabled so far due to performance problems it gave me [08:41] same here [08:41] akonadi too... what's akonadi even for? :) [08:42] do you sue 64 bit current ? [08:42] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:42] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:42] sue = use* [08:42] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:42] i'm on 13.0, will upgrade when it's ready. [08:43] alienBOB has packages for 64 bit current [08:43] it seems stable [08:48] Axius (n=gi@92.85.211.5) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:49] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:52] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-71-168.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [08:54] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:42] cool.. cheers [09:42] Away (n=aaa@20158095233.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:42] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:42] Away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [09:42] doh [09:47] Zordrak: Never, ever add NET USE * /DELETE /Y to a login script... not for the obvious reasons of it deleting drive mappings but even when it's the first thing listed, it still screws them up. [09:48] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [09:50] awesome [09:51] epoch (n=epoch@adsl-99-155-159-67.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:12] Pig_Pen: So hows winter inTX? [10:12] i was wanting one of those about/slackware vhosts [10:13] but i was told to contact rworkman [10:13] Anyway... [10:13] Lovecraft (n=lovecraf@209.191.210.252) left ##slackware. [10:15] Anyone recommend a good hardware preview/preview site for cpu/motherboards? [10:15] tomshardware [10:15] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158148001.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.214.149) joined ##slackware. [10:17] do not use one review, compare others too [10:17] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:19] tom's is biased. [10:19] and it has been heavily, for nearly a decade. [10:19] still, it's pretty good [10:19] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-202-252.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-202-252.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [10:20] and if you keep in mind that they're biaised, it's ok [10:20] if I use LUKS and suspend my system to disk, it will ask me for a passphrase upon reboot, right? [10:20] dunix (n=dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: "Leaving" [10:20] cause I'm looking at rc.0 just now, and it locks luks volumes on shutdown. [10:21] slava_dp: not sure.. might not actually since the mounted state should be retained [10:21] huh? [10:21] try it out :) [10:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-202-252.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:22] but... but.... but.... i've not once shut my laptop down for half a year! i'm suspending all the time. [10:22] unless the swap is in LUKS [10:22] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.70.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.170.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:22] well, obviously. it will be full-disk encryption. [10:22] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.73.22) joined ##slackware. [10:22] then you should be ok since the initrd needs a passphrase to open the swap to restore the system state [10:23] cool then. [10:25] glarb (i=1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] j0z_ (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:26] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-12-197.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [10:27] kannan (n=kannan@58.68.68.26) joined ##slackware. [10:27] j #asterisk [10:27] oops, soory [10:28] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:28] jackiexx (n=jackie@174-146-135-66.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Nick change: jackiexx -> nickky33 [10:29] nickky33 (n=jackie@174-146-135-66.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] vhargon (n=geno@125-237-37-74.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [10:33] meatbun (n=m3eat8un@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:33] ps aux; show 9494 process id as firefox. how to kill 9494 and tell kill to give confirmation and a printed message aksing if i want to kill firefox? [10:34] are you kidding? [10:36] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:37] what if i typed 9493 instead and kill the wrong app? [10:37] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] make sure you typed it right before pressing enter [10:38] slakware don't have training wheels [10:38] or cut and paste [10:38] rr, what? [10:38] Slackware has cut and paste.. [10:38] at least kill should tell me what i just killed. like print out a 'firefox' killed [10:39] No it shouldn't. you should verify the PID before running [10:39] read the manpage and find out just what it can do [10:39] Axius (n=gi@92.85.28.82) joined ##slackware. [10:40] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [10:40] killall firefox* [10:40] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] That can be dangerous too [10:40] i setup slack 12.1 on two servers. In one server, the routing table is different than the other, tho I set the same network configs(using netconfig eth0 , and put ifconfig xxx eth0:1 in rc.local file). at , http://pastebin.ca/1747016, i see the diff in the destination and also in genmask. ifconfig also shows up differently, in the broadcast and the mask. (the h/w address shows the same as i edited the output manually for the second server). The thing is, [10:41] meatbun: no it should write something out if it didn't succesfully kill anything.. as it already does [10:41] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [10:41] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [10:41] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [10:42] meatbun: checkout pkill [10:44] any idea how to get the same routing table on the second server also? [10:44] i tried with route , the routing table changed OK, but the voip service didnt run then either [10:45] kannan: use a routing protocol like ospf [10:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] straterra , thanks , i am reading. But the thing is the server was working fine , until i tried adding another ethernet NIC , tho i removed it now, the problems started after that , and the routing table reads differently [10:48] which was just a couple hours ago, :( [10:49] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [10:49] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [10:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:52] meatbun (n=m3eat8un@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:54] how come Netconfig eth0 , gives a diff bcast , mask in the outpuit of ifconfig , and a diff in the output of nestat -rn ? both are slack 12.1.0 [10:54] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Axius (n=gi@92.85.28.82) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:57] netstat -rn is a routing table [10:58] mancha , i mean i config the network on the 2 machines the same way, but the output of route -n is different in each? [10:58] ifconfig also show differences in the bcast and mask values [10:59] pics or it didn't happen [11:00] mancha , i didnt get what you mean, [11:00] kannan, you need to pastebin somewhere so we can see exactly [11:01] http://pastebin.ca/1747016 [11:02] kannan, Destination in netstat -nr is the network range and is different from ifconfig, but netmask should be the same [11:02] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] sometimes the interfaces are changed when you have two or more network cards [11:03] kannan, ok, now show me the ifconfig and route commands you use to set things up on both servers [11:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:03] eth0 that you know before can be eth1 when you add a new network card [11:04] ok 2 mins , i will PB the commands i gave [11:04] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) left irc: [11:04] ALVAN, yes the prob came after i tried to add a NIC , but i removed it now [11:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.1) joined ##slackware. [11:06] http://pastebin.ca/1747055 [11:07] ok that is incomplete, it only shows the ip alias command... [11:07] anyways, clearly you're not setting them up the same way [11:08] kannan, i see you have a different network mask for 172.16.52.99 .. i hope you dont use the same ip on two servers in the same network [11:08] mancha , no, i disconnected the eth cable from server 1 , before i did the other [11:08] first server has netmask 255.255.0.0 second has 255.255.255.248 [11:09] ALVAN , yes eth0 -> diff ip and netmask from eth0:1 [11:09] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [11:09] both servers have the same eth0:1 ip [11:09] ALVAN , thats what i meant , the netmask comes up diff [11:09] but the rc.inet1.conf file is the same [11:09] mancha , yes , one is dosconn (no eth cable to the switch at all) [11:10] rc.inet1.conf for both are the same , but the mask shows up diff [11:10] kannan, maybe you did not restart network after you changed rc.inet1.conf [11:10] where's the command you use for eth0? [11:10] (not the one for eth0:1) [11:10] mancha , i used netconfig eth0 to set up [11:11] oh, i dunno, i never use netconfig [11:11] well i guess its the same as to edit rc.inet1.conf [11:11] and then i did restrat inet1 [11:13] yes is the same .. try to restart /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart .. or better stop then start if is ok with you [11:13] then check again [11:13] if is still the same pastebin /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [11:14] does this work on both servers: ifconfig eth0 172.16.52.99 netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 172.16.255.255 up [11:15] mancha , i have to check later , on a break time , be back then. Thanks to you and ALVAN too. now i am sure there is a typo or something somewhere in rc.inet1.conf , i am missing it . i will diff it and get back [11:15] esteeven (n=esteeven@82-32-107-213.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:15] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:16] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.5) left irc: "Leaving" [11:16] ananke_ (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:16] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-28-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:18] mancha , ALVAN , the rc.inet1.conf had a typo in one server, [11:18] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:18] i cannot check the effect by switching voip services now, so i will do tomorrow only, thanks [11:19] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:20] kannan, :P ok .. be more careful, hope you dont use the same ip for the same subnet on both servers [11:22] ALVAN , yes , unlike windows , it shows not an ip conflict type of error warning , but instead says "some man-in-middle-" and then i have to restart the whole network [11:22] the switch also [11:22] is it possible to avoid such a consequence in any way? [11:23] set a different ip for one of the servers [11:23] if i assigned the same ip on othe OS , no big problem, but slackware , it stops internet access on all the LAN devices? [11:23] in case of an error [11:23] kannan: then switch should prevent that. [11:23] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [11:24] thumbs , it is a unmanaged dlink and compex switch, and i have to restart the power on the switch for things to get OK [11:24] kannan: then the switch is quite bad. It should not die like that. [11:24] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-428305.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:25] but the win XP boixes juist say :ip conflict" and continue to browse fine , lol [11:25] thumbs , ok , i am planning a HP l2 switch only now [11:25] L2 [11:25] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:26] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:27] hi, im partitioning my 4 raid0 hard drives to install slackware 13 [11:28] i used cfdisk -z /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 [11:28] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:28] then made 3 primary partitions and made the biggest one bootable [11:29] but when i write the partition it says "wrote partition table, be re-read table failed. reboot to update table" any ideas? [11:29] kannan (n=kannan@58.68.68.26) left irc: [11:30] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInqusitr [11:30] Nick change: SpanishInqusitr -> SpanishInquisitr [11:30] anyone? [11:30] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:32] 4 raid 0 drives? you're really asking for it, aren't you [11:32] as to your issue, it tells you exactly what to do: reboot [11:33] mel0n: you seem to not care about data security [11:33] but then it doesnt save the partitions [11:33] btw am bit of a newbie with raid and partitioning what wrong with raid 0? [11:33] mel0n: the fact that if you lose one disk, you lose all your data. [11:34] mel0n: if one hard drive dies, you lose all the data. [11:34] oh [11:34] mel0n: RAID0 is fine for high-performance systems where the data is volatile. [11:35] mel0n: like gaming boxes where one wants to minimize the I/O penalty. [11:35] yeh am not to bothered bout the data its just a server to mess around with [11:35] mel0n: it's a server? Run RAID1. [11:35] k [11:35] or even raid5, if you don't want to sacrifice the capacity [11:36] which would be easiest to install slackware on? [11:36] mel0n: I run slack on RAID1 boxes. [11:36] mel0n: if it's hardware raid controller, any [11:36] mel0n: lilo can be a little tricky, but that's about it. [11:37] mel0n: mine of course, is a software raid card. It does the job. [11:40] to make it raid 1 should i delete the logical raid 0 partition [11:40] ?? [11:40] yes. [11:40] mel0n: in the RAID controller BIOS, that is. [11:40] k [11:41] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [11:41] mel0n: you really ought to ask yourself what you expect from raid: redundancy, speed or capacity. [11:41] pick two. [11:42] kk done it im on raid 1 [11:42] mel0n: do you fully understand what RAID1 does? [11:42] mel0n: as opposed to RAID5? [11:42] nope [11:43] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [11:43] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:43] mel0n: then answer ananke's question. [11:43] speed and capacity [11:43] mel0n: ok. [11:44] in that case raid0 may be the answer :) alternatively, raid10 [11:45] mel0n: be aware of the drawbacks of RAID0 [11:45] Action: mel0n repeated hits head on table [11:45] either way, it would be very beneficial to you to read about the basics of raid types before you decide [11:45] kk [11:45] Desiderius (n=chatzill@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:45] rather than blindly following what's suggested [11:45] mel0n: you will lose all your data if one hard drive dies. Your OS will be inoperable. Your user data gone. [11:46] mel0n: raid0 offers you no redundancy. in fact, the more drives you add, the better chance of losing your data gets [11:46] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-1.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:46] ok thanks for the advice guys [11:46] which is why I prefer using lots of mount points over raid on my machines if I don't care that much about the data right on the machine [11:47] the data I actually do care about is raided for redundancy and capacity [11:49] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:49] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [11:54] Nick change: ananke_ -> ananke [11:55] should i make the linux partition bootable or the lnux swap partition or doesnt it matter? [11:55] *linux [11:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [11:55] most of the time linux doesn't pay attention to the bootable flag [11:56] but to write the partition i have to have one selected as bootable [11:56] rworkman, do you have / can you upload your switch_video.sh from /etc/acpi/actions ? seems to be missing on your site [11:58] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-28-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:58] Shuren (n=Devilman@host70-223-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:58] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-233-61.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Shuren (n=Devilman@host129-175-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-202-252.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:59] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [12:03] nyao~ [12:06] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.49.93) joined ##slackware. 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[12:19] linux partition is /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 [12:20] well you can see thats not /dev/sda [12:20] yeh ino /dev/sda is the cd-rom but how do i manually get lilo working? [12:21] you edit /etc/lilo.conf and then run lilo [12:21] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-24-29.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:23] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [12:24] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:24] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:27] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [12:28] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [12:31] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [12:32] /dev/ccis/ ? wth is that LVM ? [12:32] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.149.85.126) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:32] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:32] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:33] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.149.85.126) joined ##slackware. [12:36] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:37] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-184.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:37] mel0n, if everything is in raid then you dont have no /dev/sda{1-9} partition, there is only /dev/md{0-9} partitions .. but you need to read more about booting lilo in raid [12:43] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [12:44] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left irc: Client Quit [12:44] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.149.85.126) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:49] how would i boot from an ide slave drive with lilo? use mbr on master and point root to windows partition on the slave drive? not got it setup yet just thinking ahead. [12:50] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames [12:50] yeah, if /dev/hda has the bootable MBR yet linux or windows is on /dev/hdb c or d lilo can still boot it [12:52] just make sure all your penguins are in a row on lilo.conf [12:52] morning #slackware [12:52] that's why it's called a boot loader ... [12:53] good evening Aweso [12:53] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] westcoast i guess [12:54] it is almost noon @ in the middle of the usa [12:54] Ech (n=Me@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [12:54] yeah it's 11am here [12:54] it's only 10am here, you insensitive clod! [12:54] Everyone knows PDT is the correct time zone [12:55] i'm thinking about something [12:55] i'll be in pdt in 2 days heh [12:55] eviljames, most definitely [12:55] i already been to the store and cooked vittles for the family [12:55] is there a country that is split by the -12 and +12 timezone line ? [12:55] that would be crazy [12:55] the international date line? it runs down the middle of the pacific ocean [12:55] goarilla: perhaps some tiny island in the pacific [12:56] near japan iirc [12:56] i remember F22 having trouble with it [12:56] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.80) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:56] probably on the opposite side of the globe from Greenwitch England [12:56] hahahaah good one Pig_Pen [12:57] Nick change: Ech -> ech [12:57] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@82.50.251.2) joined ##slackware. [12:57] that line does make for some cool stuff [12:57] i think GMT, UTC, and zulu time is all the same [12:57] 2 days of birthday [12:57] 2 days of newyear [12:57] zulu time ? [12:57] military time [12:58] isn't that just UTC or GMT but spoken like military [12:58] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [12:58] mako (n=mako@81.22.23.70) joined ##slackware. [12:58] 0900 instead of 9 am [12:58] its gmt [12:58] goarilla: i've just looked at a timezone map and the -12+12 circles around everything just to the east, all the way from north to south... [12:58] it even cuts in and under the GMT -11 and back again... [12:58] well the military also uses local time but in 24 hour format (many police dept's do too) [12:59] but i don't see anything split by it... [12:59] japan is close no ? [12:59] the date line intentionally avoids any populated areas [12:59] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.222) joined ##slackware. [12:59] offcourse it does [12:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:59] its really by local convention, which places near by declare which side of the line they're on [12:59] i was just wondering if they like [13:00] forgot an island [13:00] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [13:00] japan is in the +11 zone, from what can see... so.. close... but not close enough [13:00] it is 18:00 hours UTC [13:00] no, its more along the south pacific islands that the line comes near populations [13:00] http://www.lunarsabbath.com/images/IntDateLine2.jpg [13:01] Action: Aweso downloaded slack 13 CD's and dvd last night and is excited to buy some media to burn them on to.. hehe [13:01] togo is the first on the west side of the line [13:01] ok lets move togo [13:01] Aweso, guess what, you can also use it on a usb flash drive [13:01] like in that children's cartoon noah [13:01] theres not alot to in togo, and i think its sinking [13:01] no way!!! [13:01] alot to do [13:02] where would i find information on putting the dvd iso onto usb? [13:02] yeah, theres a re me [13:02] a readme [13:03] ok, i'll browse around slackware.com [13:03] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/INSUSB [13:03] of course, requires previous install to do... [13:03] i would love to abandon civilization and go live on a south pacific island, as long as there is food, fresh water and shelter i could do it, maybe a solar powered shortwave radio would be plenty for news [13:03] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:03] thanks anyways Skywise, i'll just have to do it the DVD way [13:04] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:04] no thats the script to make the drive [13:04] and females [13:04] but i'm sure you can still do it from windows too [13:04] lots and lots of ignorant naive females [13:04] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] gilligan and his buds didn't seem to mind to much [13:04] but they did eat alot of cocount [13:04] that would be nice! some brown skinned native girls :D [13:05] yeah you light a fire [13:05] and they worship you [13:05] i've been dreaming about stuff like that for years [13:05] lol [13:06] well if you go to a lot of asian countries and speaking english fluently, you are pretty much a demi-god... godly if you speak their language too [13:06] but they don't have delivery of anything [13:06] not pizza or ups [13:06] you got femaaaaaaales Skywise [13:06] oh yeah, americans are much revered and respected around the world [13:06] it's their god's wish to eat good [13:06] you can only eat them for so long [13:06] cause eventually you get hungry [13:06] ... i said nothing of americans ;) i spoke of english speakers.... difference [13:06] so they'll better learn how to cook [13:06] oh ok [13:07] so what will you eat while they're learning [13:07] i think that's because they'll know you have relatively a lot mf money [13:07] coconuts [13:07] boars [13:07] snack on ingredients... [13:07] roasted grasshoppers [13:07] don't forget sugar cane! [13:07] if the boar doesn't get the first bite [13:08] puss^W erm [13:08] boars don't bite [13:08] they sting with their tusks [13:08] :D [13:08] lol [13:08] what's a boar going to do against a .50 ? [13:08] the modern hunting spear... [13:08] :D [13:08] hhahhahaahah [13:08] lol [13:09] thats if you see it before it see you [13:09] and you can eat whatever isn't splattered on the jungle around you :D [13:09] its kinda big and loud and not really shy if it hasn't met people [13:09] which is good and bad [13:09] if you are on a pacific island you better learn to catch fish [13:09] yeah, dont forget your flashlight! [13:09] building a net isn't that hard [13:10] the thing that would make me go lord of the flies for a while [13:10] i prefer to catch my fish behind glass counters on ice [13:10] is nicotine deprevation [13:10] the shockwave from your modern hunting spear would be enough to rattle a fish to death... if you "speared" near it.. [13:10] Wilson!!! [13:10] thing is [13:10] oooh lord of the flies... [13:11] cast away lol [13:11] why not fish with dynamite if you're gonna use something like that [13:11] there are a lot of ... not so healthy fatty fish [13:11] fatty fish are good, gotta have something to grease the skillet [13:11] in my books: swimming fish <= healthty fish [13:12] :) [13:12] what other kinds of fish are there? [13:12] walking and flying? [13:12] dead and mutilated ones [13:12] what about the puffish [13:12] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hqtlrbfsjfpewizm) left irc: [13:12] i'd go to japan to try the puffer fish [13:12] lol [13:12] if you were terminally sick that is [13:12] :D after you've tried heroine [13:12] ... it is a pacific island, so it kind of fits your criteria [13:13] if you wanna risk death from something you eat, why not try a street vendor in detroit [13:13] touche... [13:13] hhehehehe [13:13] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-29-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:13] or any street vendor... anywhere for that matter... [13:14] yeah, don't eat the hot dogs in madrid [13:14] they're not actually hot dogs, they only look that way [13:15] are they cold or something? [13:15] they're totally wrong [13:15] lol [13:15] cold cats? [13:15] they're like a tube of liverwurst [13:15] hehehehehehe [13:15] ... .... [13:15] gross [13:15] what do you think of chorizo Skywise [13:15] thats why i told ya [13:15] oh i love it [13:16] it's spanish [13:16] and the wendy's fries in spain are the best in the world [13:16] they're fried in olive oil, they're too awesome [13:16] i'm from fries country Skywise [13:16] lol wendy's made it overseas? lol [13:16] yeah she took the plane [13:16] that makes me giggle [13:16] yeah, they even serve beer [13:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:16] offcourse we're in europe [13:16] its not very good beer tho [13:16] Mp3` (n=aaa@20158118122.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:17] haha [13:17] offcourse we're in spain [13:17] :D [13:17] real spanish paella is also awesome [13:17] giant gamba shrimp [13:17] of course, we're in ________ (insert noun) [13:17] yeah, i was an exhange student [13:17] fresh mussles [13:17] and my family always ate lunch together [13:18] and fridays they'd have paella [13:18] even in the tourist places there are good small spanish restaurants [13:18] there would be 30 people there [13:18] hello Mp3` :) [13:18] but stay by the see [13:18] no one would miss it [13:18] sea* [13:18] Hi Aweso [13:18] sup? [13:18] lol bullet-tooth tony in chuck [13:19] just talking about pacific fishing, and spanish sausage.... you? [13:20] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-33-207.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:20] i love that we christians can eat pork [13:20] all the other jewish offshoots can't [13:20] nothing, just getting cooked here, it's just too hot in here [13:20] i love that we non-religious types can eat whatever, whenever. :D [13:20] it's about 37C in here [13:21] I love that we non-religious types can eat the religious whenever. [13:21] Aweso: that might be true but if you're born in a jewish or muslim nation [13:21] good luck finding sausage or pork [13:21] canada here... [13:21] pork meat is delicious [13:21] you can find it, but good luck getting some from a pig [13:21] I love that we non-Indians can eat beef whenever we choose. [13:21] :D [13:21] in north korea the pork, is actually long pork [13:21] long pork ? [13:22] pork is win, beef is win, lamb is win, chicken is win... [13:22] soylent green [13:22] yes [13:22] as opposed to short pork? [13:22] hehehehehe [13:22] midgets ? [13:22] yeah [13:22] midget piglets! [13:22] Aweso: As a Canadian, you must enjoy Bison and/or Venison. It is the rules. Don't make me revoke your Canada card. [13:22] coool [13:22] dude, buffy burgers pwn [13:22] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:19b) joined ##slackware. [13:22] mmmmm deer [13:22] and deer jerky rips beef jerky to hell.. [13:22] but people taste like pork [13:22] i ate boar this christmas [13:22] hm midgets .. i couldn't eat a whole one right now. [13:22] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:23] also the lobsters in canada are fantastic [13:23] BP{k}: lol, so random, outta nowhere [13:23] or so i have heard [13:23] theres a tasting machine that a researcher used and it said that he tasted like cured ham [13:23] BP{k}: Half now, put the rest in the fridge for later. ;) [13:23] fire|bird: aweseome idea! [13:23] Aweso: Remember, there never were any buffalo in North America (buffalo is only found in Asia/Africa) - we have Bison. [13:23] naah just smoke the midget [13:23] i like feijoada [13:23] it's a brazilian food [13:24] eviljames: you got that from QI ? [13:24] yeah, but they still call them buffy burgers because most people dont know that we have bison [13:24] Nick change: Mp3` -> Mp3 [13:24] my brother inlaws family owns a bison farm [13:24] the brazilians are crazy [13:24] why? [13:24] :) [13:24] i'm brazilian [13:24] they eat meat like we want to eat meat but can't because of social convention, a nagging spouse, ... [13:24] eg A LOT !!! [13:24] eviljames: many people think buffalo and bison are the same, likes cows and horses.... [13:24] every damn meal [13:24] the thing about eating buffalo is that theres a flavor from beef thats missing and its all i can focus on [13:24] multiple slices [13:24] hehehe [13:24] meat rulez [13:25] especially when in a buhkit! ;) [13:25] i don't like to eat when there's no meat [13:25] so whenever i have buffalo, i'm thinking man this would taste so much better as beef [13:25] it's like not eating at all [13:25] i got the same thing with horse Skywise [13:25] so i just eat beef now [13:25] it's like the better cow [13:25] i dont understand how vegitarians can get along wth a good steak, or nice cut of... anything... [13:25] when i boot slackware 13 it hangs any help? [13:25] goarilla: QI? [13:25] like rabbit is the better chicken [13:25] yeah qi [13:25] tv-show from the bbc with OSS and men loving stephen fry [13:25] here in oklahoma we have beefalo, hybrid of cow and north american bison [13:26] mel0n what happens? [13:26] any message? [13:26] vegan is a political position [13:26] Pig_Pen: lol beefalo, i love it. [13:26] goarilla: I only watch BBC News, nothing else on the channel really [13:26] try it once [13:26] it stands for Quite Interesting [13:26] beefalo beefaroni has a nice ring to it [13:26] Skywise: Vegan is a foolish position. Plants feel pain and also eat meat. [13:26] when i installed it said lilo not installed. then when i boot up my server it says attempting to boot from hd then hangs [13:27] yeah, its a immature attitude centered on elevating humans above all else [13:27] i had bison (buffalo) before, it is sort of gamey but not bad like a deer or elk can be [13:27] mel0n: Ouch. Can you boot from a rescue cd of some kind and install lilo that way? [13:27] Pig_Pen: well prepared deer > * [13:27] Skywise: not always [13:27] goarilla: QI, as in the the tv show? [13:27] mel0n you're gonna need to install a boot loader [13:27] some vegans have a point to [13:27] Pig_Pen: i've never found bison to be gamey at all... strange. [13:27] deer sausage is the only way i can eat it [13:27] yes BP{k} [13:27] use lots of garlic and black pepper [13:27] use the cd as a boot disk [13:27] anyhow, while there's on-topic questions, these delicious discussions should move to ##slackware-offtopic [13:27] goarilla: it sucks ;) [13:27] any idea how to install a bootloader [13:27] goarilla, i don't think so, everything on the planet eats and gets eaten [13:28] :D [13:28] we need to gravitate more towards sustainable agriculture [13:28] eviljames: sorry, good idea [13:28] mel0n: boot from the install CD, mount your root to /mnt/slack, then lilo -C /mnt/slack/etc/lilo.conf [13:28] mel0n boot to the system first [13:28] trying to say one way is bad is arbitrary [13:28] something along those lines. [13:28] not the capitalistic business stuff that has taken over [13:28] goarilla: actually; it is rather amusing, but at several times I have noticed they are really wrong about things they state. [13:28] poisoning our meat [13:28] goarilla, but even that argument is specious [13:28] feeding them their own [13:28] to what hdd you installed? /dev/hda? /dev/sda? [13:28] because you know who has the largest cattle herd in the world? [13:28] anyway, I suggest we take the whole meat businesss to ##slackware-offtopic. [13:28] they're at fault for the mad cow disease [13:29] and the small but real BCE infections [13:29] it really depends on what the animal has been feeding on for the last year, if they get cattle feed, alfalfa & etc it will taste good, if they are free range then they can taste a little gamey [13:29] its india and they have twice the number as 2nd place and don't even eat them [13:29] *cough* ##slackware-offtopic *cough* [13:29] neither /dev/hda is cd-rom hd = /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 [13:29] mel0n: are you using 13? [13:29] Action: Aweso coughs with eviljames , what he said! [13:29] mel0n ok, use the dvd or cd to boot to it [13:29] Action: dtanner coughs on eviljames [13:29] maybe he needs to boot from a install disk and use initrd [13:30] Skywise: you could be right... [13:30] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-29.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [13:30] am using 13 ill boot from the dvd 1 sec [13:30] Skywise yes, that's what i'm saying :) [13:30] mel0n: Why is your drive naming as such? [13:30] its a hp proliant dl380 g3 with 4 x36.4gb hdd raid 1 [13:30] ahh [13:31] :D [13:31] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] k rebooting into dvd now, how do i mount root to /mnt/slack tho? [13:32] you can boot straight to your install [13:32] ? [13:33] reset the machine, when the dvd prompts you it tells how [13:33] i don't remember right now [13:33] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:33] let me get my disk [13:33] er... ok [13:33] mel0n: Does this machine have strange/specialized hardware? [13:33] duno dude [13:36] so now that ive booted in the dvd what now? [13:36] you're in the prompt before loading? [13:36] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [13:37] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-219-34.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:37] i need coffe [13:37] =/ [13:37] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [13:37] what do you mean? ive booted from the cd drive then logged in as root [13:37] guax, I just grabbed some [13:37] Action: macavity gives guax some of his [13:38] mel0n: what was the problem again? [13:38] since the kernel update over the weekend, I seem to be having video driver isseus with my Intel 4500 vid card...anybody else having issues? [13:38] mel0n: that it doesnt setup the raid right before the kernel attempts to mount / [13:38] mel0n it's before it [13:38] ? [13:38] it asks to press enter and stuff [13:38] you there type the path to your installed system [13:38] oh ok mp3 [13:39] on the first boot screen [13:39] ill just get to it now [13:39] right, just be sure to omit the space! [13:39] macavity: I CANT REACH IT :| [13:39] rdinit= ro [13:39] NOT rdinit=ro [13:39] those are two different arguments, and it tends to catch people with their pants down :P [13:40] k what should i type now mp3? [13:40] guax: sorry, but /tctp coffee is not implemented on freenode :P [13:40] mel0n: its on the help screen [13:41] macavity, /DCC /dev/coffee might work [13:41] :D [13:41] well, /dcc /dev/tea worked earlier... [13:41] :P [13:41] and coffee is a more popular protocol... [13:41] "hughesmp.s root=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 rinit= ro" dat it? [13:42] looks right [13:42] yes, something like it [13:42] /exec -o cd /pub | more beer [13:42] but will i have to do this everytime i boot into slackware [13:42] no [13:42] no, just until you get lilo configured right [13:42] mel0n, you can feed those arguments to lilo if need be [13:42] you're gonna install lilo now [13:42] oh ok [13:43] it's just so you can get into the system [13:43] ok so i jus loggin as root then the pass i assigned before? [13:43] yes [13:44] yay ok now what guys? [13:44] run: lilo [13:44] actually first check lilo.conf [13:44] Then run lilo. [13:44] "fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") [13:44] ok ill try lilo.conf [13:45] do i have to nano it or lilo.conf? [13:45] First you man it [13:45] Then you read _everything_ in that man page. Then you nano it. [13:45] nano rlz [13:45] Action: maddslacker uses vi [13:45] i thought i was the only one who liked it more than vi [13:46] Action: mel0n shakes head at maddslacker with contemp [13:46] i like pico -wr [13:46] Mp3: you are. vi (elvis, vim etc) > * [13:46] looker (i=looker@tornado.ktu.lt) joined ##slackware. [13:46] get to know vi, if you're ever on an unfamiliar system it WILL be there. [13:46] its got search and replace, what else do you need in an editor [13:46] eviljames: you mean *vi* (with * as wildcards instead of bold) [13:47] AEnima15771 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:47] BP{k}: Yes and no.. There are slight differences between each version of vi. BSD & Solaris have their own versions, linux has 800 reimplementations, etc. etc... [13:47] but I agree, I have not come a unix/linux system where some vi clone was available. [13:47] so all i got do is nano lilo.conf then change "boot=/dev/hda" to "boot=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1" ? [13:47] evo_ (n=evo@p5B2FD8DF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] eviljames: true, but the basics still apply. [13:48] i can't seem to like vi :( [13:48] but i got used to it [13:48] mel0n, that sounds right [13:48] mel0n i don't know how is it in raid, but i install it in the mbr [13:48] does raid have it too? [13:49] hm? [13:49] the only editor i've ever figured out was joe... (nooob i know... :( ) [13:49] pico is a simple full screen console editor [13:49] pico should be a symlink to nano at this poitn I think [13:49] you move around with arrow keys [13:49] nano doesn't work right for me [13:49] well after i finally get this working, wireless connectivity will be fun :D [13:50] mel0n you can use liloconfig [13:50] it gets screwy with the cursor and screen updates [13:50] wireless should be no big deal [13:50] oh phew i heard wireless was a f*ck on slackware [13:50] i downloaded 13 just for wireless-ness.. [13:50] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-22-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:51] 12.0 got my wireless card out of the box [13:51] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:51] mel0n, I have an INtel wireless card, worked out of the box, with WPA2 [13:51] yeah i remember you telling me that, Mp3, so i figured if 12 does it, 13 must. [13:51] :) [13:52] mel0n: If it is server only (headless, etc) use the stock scripts. [13:52] my browser is still on that linux hardware page you gave me last night, hehe [13:52] mel0n: If you plan to login and actually use the machine, use wicd. Life will be easier for your wifi-ness. [13:52] man, gonna take a shower, just too hot in here [13:52] brazil sux [13:52] brb [13:53] Action: guax got the coffe [13:53] Action: Aweso cheers for guax [13:53] :D [13:54] kozandr (n=kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [13:55] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [13:55] hmm when i nano lilo.conf it is empty... [13:55] pthreat (i=c8319e97@gateway/web/freenode/x-wnnhmkgnknyqstwu) joined ##slackware. [13:55] try /etc/lilo.conf [13:55] k [13:55] >_< [13:55] Did you read the lilo man page(s) ? [13:55] it looks like you are in way over your head man :P [13:55] yep dat worked lol [13:56] Action: mel0n slaps himself [13:56] i had a hunch [13:56] this is going to be a looong day for the support team :P [13:56] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) joined ##slackware. [13:56] mel0n, http://www.ubuntu.com/ [13:56] i could be doing this or work [13:56] Action: maddslacker ducks [13:56] mel0n: if we manage to fix your system it would look good on you to donate $10 to the slackware project ;-) [13:56] lol no ive tryed ubuntu its shit [13:56] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FE110.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:56] in that case: wellcome to the league for real men [13:56] really? i set my sister and her husband up with ubuntu 8.10 and they love it... [13:57] k so now i just run "lilo" then restart? [13:57] mel0n: does it bitch? [13:57] ans pray, but yeah [13:57] btw its not that bad apt-get is ok but i need to get down and dirty with linux? [13:57] what kernel is it pointed to? [13:57] * no ? [13:57] slava_dp (n=slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left irc: "leaving" [13:58] if it doesnt boot with hugesmp we need to redo the whole thing with an initrd [13:58] mel0n: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz [13:58] mel0n: what does that point to? [13:58] pthreat (i=c8319e97@gateway/web/freenode/x-wnnhmkgnknyqstwu) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [13:58] sorry already restarted.. [13:59] ls -l /boot/vmlinuz --> /dev/hope-this-works [13:59] heh [13:59] well.. the initrd on the DVD does raid detection... lets hope that your funny ccis driver knows how to do this on its own then [13:59] >.> [14:00] ...fuck [14:00] still hangs [14:00] how much you wanna bet he didn't do something right? [14:00] lol :D [14:00] heh [14:00] s/f*ck/frack :D [14:00] i'd say its about 50/50 [14:00] ill double check then ill try the other method [14:00] mel0n, I'm catching up...are we booting fmro a hardware raid or something? [14:01] back [14:01] since i did my first slack 10.2, i always get the discs to install lilo automagically to the mbr... [14:01] mel0n: boot the via the DVD, then tell me what the symlink /boot/vmlinuz points to [14:01] mel0n: do you even get a lilo screen? [14:02] maddslacker: yup, HP hardware raid [emulation] [14:02] and it shows up ok for the purposes of cfdisk when you're doing the install? [14:02] or are you even getting that far? [14:02] yeh [14:02] yeh cfdisk worked [14:02] then there should be nothing else required? [14:02] Action: maddslacker is confused [14:03] i did a linux partition and a linux swap partition then installed but lilo didnt work cus the /dev/hda is the cd drive so now when i boot up it hangs [14:03] maddslacker one doubt i had was about the raid, if it does have mbr like a regular hdd [14:04] it should [14:04] ok, so far lilo is not even in the right place [14:04] if it does he could run liloconfig and config it [14:04] Immundus (n=obi@e179138108.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:04] anyway, raid should be appearing at /dev/sda [14:04] mel0n told me in a PM [14:04] we need to figure out if lilo can handle even being on the raid device [14:04] i'm sure it can [14:04] i suspect so, since this is probably set up via BIOS calls [14:04] Mp3, raid vs standalone hdd is no different, as long as youhave the drivers for the raid controller [14:05] ah, cool [14:05] macavity, ^^ [14:05] it might be one of those fakeraid megaraid crappy controllers [14:05] the only time it gets tricky is in pure software raid (eg, device-mapper) [14:05] agreed [14:06] this is the one i have [14:06] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HP-Proliant-DL380-G3-DUAL-Xeon-3-06Ghz-4Gb-4x36-Server3_W0QQitemZ330383305711QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item4cec612bef [14:06] mirrored is ok, but other raid levels are a PITA [14:06] even crappy "raid BIOS" controllers *should* work right [14:06] depends on the drivers [14:06] mel0n: ok, so have you gotten the box booted again with the DVD? [14:06] most are crap [14:06] mel0n, that's a real raid, you should be fine [14:07] yeh its booting up now [14:07] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-29-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:07] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [14:08] maddslacker can't he just liloconfig then and install lilo in the mbr? [14:08] k just logged in [14:08] ill double check lilo.conf [14:09] mel0n try liloconfig [14:09] Mp3, yup [14:09] choose the expert option [14:09] k now what? [14:09] if cfdisk sees it correctly, should be no weirdness required [14:09] begin [14:09] pthreat (i=c8319e97@gateway/web/freenode/x-erjuimwyzyjxmfun) joined ##slackware. [14:10] but contacts have never been an issue [14:10] now what? [14:10] just press enter in the next screen [14:10] you can answer no in the next [14:10] k [14:10] what frame console? [14:10] for me in the next one i choose standard [14:11] mel0n: default choice [14:11] k then what [14:11] MBR> [14:11] yes [14:11] yes [14:11] then change to "/dev/cciss/c0d0p1"? [14:11] Action: maddslacker also says yes [14:11] mel0n, NO [14:11] does it show right now the bootable drive? [14:12] yeh it shows "/dev/hda" (cd drive) [14:12] which is obviously wrong :P [14:12] so i change to "/dev/cciss/c0d0p1"? [14:13] well this is the problem [14:13] maddslacker said no, i don't know right now :P, just a moment [14:13] :S [14:13] i think that i think the last p1 means "partition one" [14:13] yeh its the linux partition [14:13] and thats not right.. we need it on the raw device [14:13] it would if it were a solaris... [14:13] c0d0p2 is the linux swap one [14:13] yeah, macavity is right [14:14] it shouldnt be.. it should point to the raw device [14:14] you need to install like in /dev/hda not /dev/hda1 for instance [14:14] mel0n: pick another console with alt-f2 [14:14] mel0n: and do ls -l /dev/cciss/* [14:14] is there a device called c0d0? [14:15] Why not just install Solaris on the damn thing and be done with it :P [14:15] I thought that I thought that I thought [14:15] Action: eviljames ducks & runs [14:15] it's weird that lilo installer is trying for something other than the default device without being told to [14:15] ohows s/c0d0, [14:15] lol ej [14:15] sorry lol [14:15] eviljames, I suggested buntu...heh [14:15] maddslacker, i'd prefer solaris and i've never used it... :P [14:15] it shows /dev/cciss/c0d0 and /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 and p2 [14:15] macavity, it can be if mel0n used bios raid options to build the raid [14:16] likely [14:16] maddslacker: Error. Does not compute. [14:16] I've had good luck with Centos for certain scenarios [14:16] mel0n: then point lilo to /dev/cciss/c0d0 [14:16] I have also installed slack with zero issues on Dell server with their internal raid [14:16] mel0n: as that is where the MBR is [14:16] i dont think lilo can boot from bios fake raid [14:17] how do i exit the new console? [14:17] yes, it can. [14:17] ALVAN, this is a real raid [14:17] ALVAN: if it is exported via int10h bios calls it can [14:17] couldn't he have fdisk -l'd and got the proper info? [14:17] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Necos: dooh, yes he could :P [14:17] Triver (n=ekhyaxf@201-0-140-137.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:17] mel0n just alt f1 again [14:18] so set it to "/dev/cciss/c0d0" ? [14:18] ok, i have to go shopping now before the store closes [14:18] yep [14:18] that should be it [14:18] if you guys are still banging your head against this when i come back i will simply laugh ;-) [14:18] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] grub can but lilo no ..this is what i knew [14:18] then what "None" "5" "30" "forever"? [14:18] MAssEy (i=1000@90.149.76.181) joined ##slackware. [14:18] ok, kidding, ill be back in less than an hour, and ill google my ass off if needs be [14:18] is linux going to be the only OS? [14:19] mel0n, you got an hardware raid card ? [14:19] ALVAN: yes, its a hardware raid [14:19] if it's the only one you can choose 0 to boot straight to it [14:19] and it is well supported in the kernel.. i just looked it up [14:19] k now what do i do back to the lilo expert install menu [14:19] ok [14:19] btw, we need to help him install the cciss tools too [14:19] choose linux now [14:19] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65212fe.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:19] ah yes i see now that HP has a hardware raid card [14:20] bbiab [14:20] k then choose the linux partition [14:20] yes [14:20] Triver (n=ekhyaxf@201-0-140-137.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("[CyberScript]"). [14:20] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-176-115.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:20] what should i call it jus linux? [14:20] could be linux [14:20] or whatever you like [14:21] k now what? [14:21] cal it, my bad-ass-l33t-server [14:21] heh [14:21] now go to install [14:21] lol k [14:21] k its installing [14:22] maddslacker lol [14:22] did it finish? [14:23] it still says installing but a bash line has popped up at the bottom [14:23] should i restart now? [14:23] yep [14:23] try it now [14:24] k its restarting now [14:25] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [14:26] kk its booting now [14:26] :) [14:26] thanks! [14:26] so while we wait for that, anyone else on -current and with an Intel video card having issues? [14:27] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-233-61.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:27] i'm using 13 in a vm [14:28] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.203.61) joined ##slackware. [14:28] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:28] ok so no to both of my questions [14:28] thanks for playing...heh [14:28] hehehe [14:28] maddslacker: I use slack64-current on laptop & desktop, both with intel gfx, no problems yet. [14:28] maddslacker: i've had trouble with my intel card crashing X randomly since 13.0 [14:28] eviljames, did you do the update of a couple days ago, with the new kernel? [14:29] v3gard, mine was bad, then stable, now bad again [14:29] maddslacker: it doesn't happen very often, so I haven't bothered figuring out the cause of the problem [14:29] I updated desktop over the weekend, notice an issue with K menu not popping up immediately [14:29] but otherwise haven't bothered to investigate anything yet. [14:29] I turned pff compositing, which seems to have fixed it [14:29] rworkman: syn [14:30] but I assume Intel broke their driver (again) [14:30] this is on a 4500 series vid card [14:30] can't you use an old driver? [14:30] it's built in to the kernel [14:30] ah [14:30] so while technically yes, I don't want to bother [14:30] I'll just live without compositing [14:31] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] What is the right directory for putting export path scripts for java and keyboard remapping scripts so that they would be executed on startup? [14:32] eviljames: is it against the FHS to murder people? [14:33] spook: No. [14:33] neogooglian, .kde/Autostart [14:33] spook: It may be against your local laws, but the FHS governing body has no moral position either way on murdering people. [14:33] neogooglian, that's for after kde start, as user logs in [14:33] thanks maddslacker [14:33] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: "POF!" [14:33] I thought so, wanted to confirm it :) [14:33] otherwise it would be /etc/rc/d/rc.local, but that is before kde starts [14:33] eviljames: cool! [14:34] spook: plz travel 34 miles offshore for all your murder needs. [14:34] lol [14:35] what is fhs? [14:35] anyone tried a edimax ew-7318usg under -current? [14:35] mel0n, what is that? [14:35] eviljames: whats a mile? [14:35] and no, heh [14:35] wireless usb adapter [14:36] never heard of it [14:36] spook: It is a legacy unit representing 1.6 km. [14:36] is it USB? [14:36] yes [14:36] maddslacker Is it okay /etc/rc/d/rc.local instead?. How this is normally done [14:36] spook: It is really only used in backwards, third-world countries. Metric > * [14:36] eviljames: agreed. [14:36] SI > Metric [14:36] neogooglian, rc.local may/may not work if the script needs kew to be up and running [14:36] dfrank (n=dfrank@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [14:36] *KDE [14:36] for what you want, use Autostart [14:37] okay dokey thanks [14:39] while looping through lines in a script, what would cause `echo "$LINE" |wc -m` to return a different result for the line than just moving the cursor to the end of the line? [14:40] s/lines in/lines with/ [14:40] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.43.205) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] I just noticed some scripts are there in /etc/profile.d/. Can I add a script there? [14:40] even ${#LINE} gives the same wrong answer as wc -m [14:40] neogooglian, yes, but they will probably not do what you want them to [14:41] put them in Autostart [14:41] dear All! I trying to figure out some network settings. I succefully set up wireless, and it works when i start system. But if i make "ifconfig wlan0 down", after it "ifconfig wlan0 up", and "iwconfig wlan0 ap ", it successfully connect to access point (ping works), but at attempt to connect internet returns "connect: Network is unreachable". how should i up the interface? thanx [14:41] hmm. okay. [14:41] mag00 huh? [14:41] neogooglian, and in case it wasn't clear. put them in ~/.kde/Autostart .. heh [14:41] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [14:42] It is clear. :) thanks. [14:42] Artio (n=_@port-10961.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [14:42] lol, np [14:42] say a line has 323 characters on it - while looping through the file that contains that line, wc -m returns a smaller number than 323 [14:43] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:43] 322 by chance? [14:43] dfrank the gateway is set? [14:43] no, not 0 indexed [14:43] wc operates on a file [14:43] heh, I tried...that used up my programming prowess [14:43] echo "$LINE" |wc -m [14:43] echo "$LINE" the fuck's that? [14:43] let me come up with some dummy data and pastebin it [14:43] one sec [14:44] Mp3: it is set in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [14:45] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Mp3: and it works fine at system start [14:45] hmmm [14:45] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] Mp3: how do i manually set gateway, maybe using ifconfig? can't find nothing similar in its options [14:46] lemme man it [14:46] just a minute [14:46] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:46] dfrank, route add default gw 192.168.0.1 [14:46] ifconfig gateway [14:46] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:47] xumpi (n=xumpi@a95-93-83-59.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:47] route -n <- will show your routing table [14:47] man route [14:47] Action: dfrank bows slava_dp [14:47] mag0o, ok, first off, wc -m on a line should report the number of chars (don't forget that \n will count) [14:47] slava_dp: thank you, it works! [14:47] yeah, try what slava_dp said [14:47] dfrank, welcome :) [14:47] cool :) [14:48] if you are getting much smaller then i think your line is actually a word, not a line. try echo'ing the so-called $LINE and you should see that [14:48] thanks anybody) [14:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] mancha - http://pastebin.ca/1747292 [14:49] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) joined ##slackware. [14:50] the difference is not huge, but enough to where i know its wrong, just by comparing data [14:50] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:50] maddslacker The script opens in Kwrite :o) instead of executing [14:50] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:51] neogooglian, make it executable [14:51] the big diff in my sample txt and my real data is that the real data has varying amounts of spaces [14:51] it is big, 47 vs 57 [14:51] ok [14:51] big being the line has 8277 characters, and wc -m reports 8255 [14:52] with real data [14:52] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:52] it's a flat file im parsing [14:52] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.125.87) joined ##slackware. [14:52] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:52] and i've tried ${#LINE} instead of wc -m and it also returns the same result [14:52] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:53] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:53] so, are there any characters that neither *will* count? [14:53] some lines are reported correctly [14:54] you're just too good to be true !!! cant take my eyes out of youuu [14:54] -> lunch [14:54] Iiii love youuu baaaabyy [14:54] mag0o, ask in #bash, you'll get a firm reply there. [14:54] mag00, utf8 issues perhaps? [14:54] mag0o: maybe try wc -c (bytes) instead of -m (chars) and see what you get? [14:55] What does Ctrl+Alt+backspace really do?, Is it equivalent to shutting down kde and X? Is there any chance of data corruption if I do it frequently? [14:55] mancha: yeah, exactly, or any multibyte nonsense [14:55] yes, thats why -c is a good test, agreed [14:55] neogooglian, on my laptop, it launches xscreensaver. it depends on what you want it to do. [14:55] if you have no multibyte funkiness, -m and -c will jive together [14:56] right [14:56] see ya [14:56] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-162-248.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [14:56] neogooglian, oops, fail. [14:56] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:56] dfrank (n=dfrank@188.134.8.110) left irc: "leaving" [14:57] slava_dp I am running Slackware. What is the default function for that? [14:57] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "flw" [14:57] thanks for the suggestions :) i supposed this would be better suited for #bash [14:57] neogooglian, i confused what you said with ctrl+alt+del. [14:57] i suspect ctrl-alt-bksp sends a signal to X, which is possibly identical to normal shutdown, but who knows for KDE, i sort of doubt it gets a clean shutdown (judging by the relative speeds of the procdures) [14:57] wc -c did return 1 more than wc -m [14:57] but still off [14:57] I gets me back to terminal. I would like to know whether it shuts down everything or is it still there on memory? [14:58] mag0o: .. ugh. yeah, time for #bash [14:58] neogooglian, ctrl+alt+bsp *kills* X. it's tunable in kde keyboard settings and/or hal config. [14:58] neogooglian: oh no, its def gone from memory. but it's not necessarlily nice about it [14:58] kde used to reload the stuff when i did ctrl alt backspace in the old days [14:58] in slackware 7 [14:58] Mp3, depends on your runlevel. [14:59] Mp3, it was not kde, but init. [14:59] Hmm.. Okay. is it bad to do this too often? [14:59] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.170.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] i mean when when i used startx again to call it [14:59] mel0n: dont forget to donate to the slackware project ;-) [14:59] i forgot to mention it [14:59] neogooglian, if you value your data, it is. [14:59] neogooglian: it's certainly not the preferred method [15:00] neogooglian: things that are xsession aware dont get a chance to shut down properly, etc [15:00] neogooglian: but it doesnt "harm the system" in that sense [15:00] neogooglian, for kde it's like you've pressed reset. well, almost. [15:00] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] thanks slava_dp hackedhead macavity. [15:01] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-20-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:02] neogooglian, it was actually invented to use as an emergency kill when you specify an incorrect refresh rate on an old crt monitor and it caught on fire :) [15:02] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:02] Action: slava_dp 's grammar failed him. [15:03] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [15:03] specifying wrong refresh rate causes crt to catch fire? :p [15:03] lol [15:04] literally :) [15:04] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:04] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [15:04] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.203.61) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:04] heh. [15:05] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [15:05] that would be quite terrifying [15:06] any of you guys using slack in vmware? [15:06] virtualbox ftw! [15:06] qemu <3 [15:06] i can't install vmware tools, it's giving me an error [15:06] RLa (n=rla@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Mp3, I'm doing the opposite [15:07] windows in vm? [15:07] hey, i have no alsa sound under normal user [15:07] Mp3, try virtualbox. [15:07] yeah, on slackware host [15:07] Mp3, or qemu :) [15:07] I have also run slack in both vmware and vbox [15:07] RLa, alsamixer, unmute it. [15:07] aplay -l says: "aplay: device_list:217: no soundcards found..." [15:07] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] RLa, does it work as root? [15:07] but under root user it shows devices [15:07] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [15:07] yes [15:07] virtualbox i tried once, the network set up didn't work and i was impatient :P [15:07] RLa, add yourself to the audio group [15:08] spider1010 (n=spider10@15.sub-97-36-58.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Mp3, vbox has come a long way [15:08] vbox is awesome [15:08] Pi3rrot (n=pierre@unaffiliated/pi3rrot) joined ##slackware. [15:09] kde 4.2 has options for Logout, Lock, Switch user. How can I get Reboot and Halt on the menu? [15:09] The_ManU_212 (n=manu@port-92-200-29-93.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [15:09] hi [15:09] my qt-gtk-engine doenst run, can u help me, get the followin error message in kde system settings: [15:09] Hello [15:09] I have to open a terminal then su and reboot or halt everytime for this. [15:09] neogooglian, by loggin in graphically rather than via startx [15:10] The shared library was not found.Library "kcm_gtk4" not found [15:10] The_ManU_212, remove the engine, install qtcurve. [15:10] neogooglian, ^^ [15:10] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [15:10] did yuo log in at the text console and then run startx? [15:10] maddslacker how do I that? [15:10] is tehre a missed dependency? [15:10] !! [15:10] neogooglian, vim /etc/inittab [15:10] That seems to be the default setup maddslacker. [15:10] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:11] spider1010 (n=spider10@15.sub-97-36-58.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:11] neogooglian, change the default runlevel to 4. [15:11] neogooglian, man inittab [15:11] slava_dp, that did not help [15:11] RLa, did you logout/login? [15:11] RLa, run "groups" [15:12] Thanks slava_dp maddslacker. I'll try that [15:12] /etc/inittab is the file [15:12] ok, i log out [15:12] RLa (n=rla@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] slava_dp: ah ok is the engine not up-to-date anymore? [15:12] man inittab gives yuo all the dirt on it [15:12] change runlevel from 3 to 4 to get right to it [15:13] The_ManU_212, just use qtcurve, it's awesome. get sbopkg, and do "sbopkg -i QTCurve-GTK QTCurve-QT" (or something like this :) [15:13] slackguru (n=trimmer@63-228-163-170.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [15:14] RLa (n=rla@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [15:14] slava_dp, it did not help [15:14] RLa, what does groups output? [15:14] users audio [15:15] try to run alsaconf as the user. [15:16] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [15:17] /usr/sbin/alsaconf You must be root to use this script. [15:17] slava_dp: i will give it a try, never heard about it before [15:18] another error i have is with the wacomd river, it worked fine udenr slackware 12.2 but now on 13.0 there is a problem: [15:18] chmod -R 777 /dev/dsp and /dev/snd fixed it [15:18] kernel: X[3032]: segfault at 7 ip b5c41676 sp bfdfc8c0 error 4 in wacom_drv.so[b5c3d000+18000] [15:18] RLa, that's a wrong solution. [15:18] RLa, as it will not last, udev is rewriting /dev on every boot :) [15:19] when i exit x or kill it my pheriphals and screens freeze and i can rescue the system only with ssh, after killing or restarting X completly it runs till the next time i do such a command, can u help me to determien the problem? [15:19] yeah, that sucks [15:19] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) left irc: "Leaving" [15:19] but this is linux, getting a correct solution takes too much [15:19] The_ManU_212, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [15:20] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:20] slava_dp: allready checked [15:20] RLa, i would have thought that adding oneself to the audio group fixed stuff like that. [15:20] do u wnat to see the backtrace output? googled, and found nothing [15:20] no, i don't. [15:21] RLa, ls -l /dev/dsp [15:22] it has audio group but original permissions that were there are now destroyed [15:23] chmod --automagically-undo-the-last-change /dev/dsp [15:23] that's a gnu chmod extension [15:24] slava_dp, heh [15:24] hm, it's unrecognized error on my system [15:24] seriously, chmod now uses sqlite for history storage. [15:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:24] RLa, it was a prank, sorry :) [15:26] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] slackware should have more support for single-user desktop, i.e creating default user that has sane permissions to use stuff [15:26] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] RLa: umm? [15:27] RLa, it does offer you the initial groups. you missed that. [15:27] RLa, yeah, uparrow to add groups ;) [15:27] RLa: add yourself to the appropriate groups as the user is created. [15:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [15:27] RLa, uh-huh. [15:27] RLa: your lazyness is not an excuse. [15:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:31] "it does offer you the initial groups. you missed that" <- where? [15:31] adduser utility? [15:32] hm, i have used slackware since version 8 and never seen it, sound has previously worked tho [15:32] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-184.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-184.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] i always had to add user accounts to the audio group to get sound, even way back since version 8 [15:33] adduser offers you groups, just have to read what's on the screen. [15:34] this functionality got added around 12.1. [15:35] yeah, Pat made adduser a nice script, better than useradd [15:35] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [15:36] hm [15:38] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "pqp" [15:38] pthreat (i=c8319e97@gateway/web/freenode/x-erjuimwyzyjxmfun) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [15:39] better is relative. each one has its target use. [15:39] hm, yeah, i found that functionality [15:39] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] it's easy to miss, adduser asks for lot of information [15:45] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-23-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:45] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [15:47] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:49] actually if you're an old-time slackware user, using the new adduser for the first time, you're likely to miss the initial groups stuff at first because most of us probably just got in the habit of hitting enter repeatedly to take the defaults [15:49] ComputerNoobie (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [15:49] i would agree with that [15:49] i knew about it the first time only because I had read about it [15:50] or if you're like me and hate prompts and just hit enter like mad [15:50] first time, my fingers got ahead of me, I read the "press the up arrow" text after it was too late, had to userdel and re-run adduser [15:50] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) joined ##slackware. [15:50] hehe [15:50] ima using linux you know? if i wanted a conversation i'd look for a woman [15:52] After switching to runlevel 4 I couldn't login as regular user. I get error msg "Your shell is not listed in /etc/shells">So had to switch back to runlevel 3 [15:52] well, if you wanted to be asked the same questions over & over again, you'd look for my ex-gf from about 10 years ago... [15:52] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:52] neogooglian: what is your user's default shell? and is it mentioned in /etc/shells? [15:53] Urchlay it is sh which i think is bash. [15:53] yeah [15:53] grep ^username /etc/passwd <--- does the shell show up in there as /bin/sh or just plain sh? [15:54] Artio (n=_@port-10961.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [15:54] ah, doesn't matter. Default slackware /etc/shells doesn't actually have /bin/sh (wonder if that counts as a bug?) [15:54] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [15:54] well if /bin/sh is not in /etc/shells then either put it in or make it /bin/bash as far as your default shell [15:55] how to change bash as default shell? [15:55] chsh [15:55] neogooglian: mancha's got the right solution [15:55] It is sh [15:55] okay I'll try that. [15:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] whatever you change the shell to, needs to be the full path, like /bin/bash [15:55] chsh -s /bin/bash [15:56] or something like that :) [15:57] Urch, please never introduce me to your gf from decade's past [15:57] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] eduardmatrix (n=eduardma@190.24.96.195) joined ##slackware. [15:58] mancha: the odds of that are slim and none, I haven't seen her in 10 years, and if I did, she probably still hates me too much to speak to me (which is fine with me, don't want to talk to her either) [15:59] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-230-221.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:59] phew -- *wipes brow* [16:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] Hi I trying to install Slackware 12.2 on a USB-HDD. But when a Start to install Package on "/", at a time, the process stop and get out in bash : KILLED. What is that? and how can I fix it for a success install [16:00] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-20-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [16:00] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.73.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) joined ##slackware. [16:03] mancha your suggestion worked. [16:03] thanks :) [16:04] no problem :> [16:04] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.1) left irc: [16:05] eduardmatrix, looks like oom to me. how much ram you've got? [16:06] 1Gb of Ram [16:07] Gandalf_the_Grey (n=Gandalf_@78.133.38.69) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Gandalf_the_Grey (n=Gandalf_@78.133.38.69) left irc: Client Quit [16:08] in the installer, isn't one of the consoles the log? [16:08] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [16:08] right. tty3 has the log, iirc. [16:09] also, read dmesg. [16:09] someone have any idea? [16:09] two of them above. [16:09] monstro (i=1000@201-92-46-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Hi folks, [16:10] nvision (n=nvision@g229054126.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:10] How to build Squid in Slackware ? No exist Squid pre compiled ? [16:10] Gandalf_the_Grey (n=Gandalf_@78.133.38.69) joined ##slackware. [16:11] monstro: check out slackbuilds [16:11] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-71-168.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: "Leaving" [16:11] Scuzz, slackbuilds is reliable ? [16:11] of course [16:11] yes [16:11] ;-) [16:11] otherwise you wouldnt find it in the channel topic...... [16:12] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:12] so yes, slackbook.org, slackwiki.org, slackbuilds.org etc are "known good" :P [16:12] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [16:12] eduardmatrix (n=eduardma@190.24.96.195) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/squid/ [16:14] I'm getting a message in the power on self test I think that says Unknown flash type, sometimes and it seems to be related that I cant suspend to ram or power on standby anymore on slackware [16:14] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] monstro, http://sbopkg.org [16:14] is it possible to connect two linux computers with a regular ethernet wire? [16:14] if they are GugE it should work [16:14] otherwise you'll needa crossover cable [16:14] *GigE [16:15] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-158.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:15] it's a cat 5 [16:15] i also have a cat5e [16:15] are both the controllers Gbit? [16:16] how do i check? [16:16] lspci? [16:16] do both of the Linux computers have gigabit ethernet ports, [16:16] K3yvn_Server (i=0@ip70-181-115-119.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:16] well, even one of them theoritically [16:17] only one way to find out :P [16:17] ethtool will tell you as well I think [16:17] try! [16:17] plug 'er in, see what shakes out [16:17] and the acpi driver says that cant find dmi bios year so acpi support becomes unavailable and I have enabled acpi support in the bios setup by clearing the cmos [16:17] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) left irc: "Leaving" [16:18] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] how do i find out with ethtool? [16:18] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Reticenti, just make a crossover cable. [16:18] ethtool /dev/eth0 [16:18] i cant slava_dp [16:18] I think that I can solve it by pulling out adding cards with expansion rom [16:19] maddslacker: /dev/eth0 ?!? [16:19] maddslacker: ethX will suffice :P [16:19] i dont think it's listed under lspci [16:20] hmm [16:20] err, I mean just eth0 [16:20] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:20] i may have disabled eth0 in install, how would i reenable it? [16:20] Reticenti: if you have an ethernet gadget that is not connected to the pci bus you have one *seriously* funny machine [16:20] lol [16:20] macavity, say, USB for example? [16:21] maddslacker: gigabit-over-usb is simply not possible [16:21] here's my lspci http://pastebin.com/d33b7899b [16:21] neogooglian (n=neogoogl@59.92.108.166) joined ##slackware. [16:22] macavity, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=gigabit+ethernet+usb+adapter&aq=0&oq=gigabit+ethernet+usb+ada&aqi=g1 [16:22] 00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller [16:22] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [16:22] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:22] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:23] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] maddslacker: right... and the theretical max on usb is 420Mbit :P [16:23] 480 [16:23] *theoretical [16:23] 480 [16:23] so, how would i go about re-enabling my eth0 port? [16:23] right [16:23] Reticenti: 00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller [16:23] rogersman (n=gr235423@nat/sun/x-tbfcymtsbrscbkup) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Reticenti: it is there [16:23] doh [16:24] Reticenti: now, ifconfig -a [16:24] if you see eth0 then it is there [16:24] yup, its there [16:24] then you configure it in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [16:24] ok [16:24] or do it manually with ifconfig [16:24] how would i allow it to connect to another computer w/o a crossover? [16:24] like: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.87 [16:25] macavity, they must be implementing the GigE spec, but maybe at 1/2 duplex or something [16:25] hey all, so my ext HDD is suffering from an annoying lag (1/2 seconds) when access folders and files, which does not occur in windows on the same machine, any ideas? thanks [16:25] Reticenti: if both addapters support it, it should switch on its own [16:25] ok [16:25] rogersman, is it NTFS or FAT32? [16:25] rogersman, swap a kernel? [16:25] anyhow [16:25] bbl [16:25] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] rogersman, swap a filesystem? [16:26] madslacker: NTFS ... regular data [16:26] if you want full speed in linux, perhaps use a LInux file system? [16:26] however another ext hdd (also ntfs) runs fine tho it has dedicated power supply [16:26] oh, could be the power too I suppose [16:26] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:27] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] even in vmware within slackware it runs fine! aarrgh [16:27] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] must be a drver issue for that particular drive is my guess [16:27] macavity: so i did ifconfig eth0 on both computers, but they cant ping each other [16:28] it is quite new...i'll investigate that avenue [16:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-23-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:29] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [16:30] and i cant ssh in either [16:30] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Reticenti, best thing is to get networking to operate normally in general, then attempt the crossover [16:31] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] how do i do that? [16:31] is it possible for slack to act as a router? [16:32] the route the data to itself [16:32] then route* [16:32] yes, but WAY outside the scope of what you are really trying to do [16:32] oh [16:32] i just need to get info from one to my slack box [16:32] 67gb worth [16:32] how much data? [16:32] ok [16:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.194) joined ##slackware. [16:33] and neither of these boxes gets on the internet or anything crazy like that? [16:33] my slack can [16:33] ok [16:33] and the other one's wifi is too weak to raech the wifi router [16:33] so it's networking is properly set up, it sounds like? [16:33] reach* [16:33] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:33] \on slack, yes [16:33] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:34] does the wifi router have ethernet ports in the back? [16:34] i dont have access to the router :( [16:34] oh [16:34] nor an external hard drive I assume [16:34] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:35] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] so the two PC's can reach each other via a cable, but only one can reach the wireless? [16:35] yeah [16:35] djustice (n=kde@cablepool5-237.elberton.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] well, i do have an external hdd [16:36] so i'll try that first [16:36] Action: maddslacker would use that method [16:36] yeah [16:37] thanks for the help :) [16:37] np [16:38] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:38] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:39] is there any noticeable lag that add a wireless hop in a network? [16:39] slava_dp (n=slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: "^D" [16:39] yes [16:40] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [16:40] how can it be in proportion to a wired one? [16:40] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-160-63.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:40] use a wired connection [16:41] the actual lag factor added by a wireless link depends on the type of wireless, distances, condition of the airways, lots of other stuff [16:41] sunspots ;) [16:41] channel and if nearby routers are on the same channel [16:42] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-167-16.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] I use wireless at work and home strictly out of convenience but when I need to do something that is latency or bandwidth intensive I switch over to a hardlink [16:44] Unless you're doing PC FPS gaming..wireless latency isn't really an issue [16:44] like playing q3a [16:44] It's not even an issue for console FPS gaming [16:44] q3a runs fine for me over G [16:44] G? [16:44] Even then, casual playing will be fine [16:45] 802.11G [16:45] I use 802.11n and call it good enough [16:46] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-26-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:46] heh [16:46] slackware is mentioned in the official ncurses page :P [16:46] I dont know [16:47] I tried playing q3a over dialup and it was a torture [16:47] uh [16:47] we are talking about wireless [16:47] not dialup [16:47] I dont have xdsl right now [16:47] doesn't everybody share the dial-up connection over wifi? 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[16:49] LAN [16:49] I play q3a and openarena with my brother over Wireless G all the time and it's fine [16:50] Unless you are competitive, wireless is fine [16:50] if you are that competitive only a fiber hookup to backbone will do :P [16:51] looks like I will not be able to try because I ordered xdsl and some commercial advisor asked if I wanted a wireless router and I said no [16:51] i mean, sure, if it's an encrypted LAN there is some overhead somewhere for encrypt/decrypt but the only way to know for sure is to test it out [16:51] just buy your own wifi router [16:51] and the server that I'm going to play gives me like more than 100ms of ping [16:51] the servers [16:51] Delahunt: thats not why wireless isn't using for zomgfastfpsgaming [16:52] i never said it was, just said that he should test it himself [16:52] maddslacker (n=corey@c-67-190-191-37.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] If you're 100ms wired..then find closer servers [16:52] well is this over LAN only or is this over internet? [16:52] LAN [16:52] i don't see anyone complain about xbox / other online-capable consoles [16:52] over internet [16:52] Well..gaming to the internet over the wireless LAN [16:52] >.< [16:53] Delahunt: thats because controller lag matters more for console [16:53] yep [16:53] i doubt his isp connection is going to saturate his wireless [16:53] That isn't the point [16:53] The point is latency, not bandwidth [16:53] yeah [16:53] the closer servers are of 100ms [16:53] around [16:53] That's..pretty terrible [16:54] Is that wired or wireless? [16:54] dariodee (i=3e6578a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-modgtoztrhonadbu) joined ##slackware. [16:55] it was on wired [16:55] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] Wireless won't matter much then..it'll be laggy regardless [16:55] though I did good on such latency before [16:56] 100ms is pretty bad [16:56] yes I know but I'm used to it [16:56] O_O [16:56] hello to all [16:56] Then wireless won't matter much [16:56] out of curiosity [16:57] have a little question [16:57] this whole conversation was for not good now. [16:57] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [16:57] lol.. i used to consider 80 very very good and 150 normal :P [16:57] I think that the mode on which the xdsl modem operates can also add somewhat of latency [16:57] routed pppoe or bridge [16:57] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-158.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:57] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [16:57] anyhow... [16:58] Action: macavity wanders off [16:58] minimally, unless there is some sort of huge issue with the router/modem [16:58] and the kind of dsl modulation also adds its latency [16:58] seriously dude...you're already talking about 100ms+... [16:58] get over the 1-3ms in a router [16:59] let alone the less than an ms lag caused by layer 1 modulation [16:59] what are those (ascii?) rectangles coming out from the first boot on slack13? [16:59] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.150.140) joined ##slackware. [16:59] hey guys - anyone hit strange bugs post 2.6.32 update in -current? when I'm booting I'm getting "modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32.3/modules.dep: No such file or directory" [16:59] dariodee: visualized ssh key generatinos [16:59] generations [17:00] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-184.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] are they stored somewhere? [17:00] they are the ssh keys for the system [17:01] look in /etc/ssh/ [17:01] are they in any way useful by the way? [17:01] pardon me [17:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-219-34.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] do you know what ssh is? [17:02] a little bit [17:02] Immundus (n=obi@e179138108.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [17:03] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] /cl [17:05] /fail [17:05] monstro (i=1000@201-92-46-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:08] fire|bird: yuh testing weechat 0.3,0 think a keybind will solve my finger probs [17:08] Pi3rrot (n=pierre@unaffiliated/pi3rrot) left irc: "Leaving" [17:09] Rat409: Ah, cool. [17:11] yuh my typing skills are off some due to a neural muscular disorder,not crippling but muscles are allways tight. [17:11] and poor typing skills to begin with. tbh [17:11] bingo keybind succes [17:12] \o/ [17:12] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Zordrak: Ping [17:12] hows kde4 going you still building newer versions? [17:13] piccardTE20 (n=j@67.Red-88-15-195.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] dariodee (i=3e6578a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-modgtoztrhonadbu) left irc: "Page closed" [17:13] why doesn't slackpkg properly upgrade kernels? [17:13] anyone know what Zordrak's webpage is? [17:13] evo_ (n=evo@p5B2FD8DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [17:13] Rat409: Going great, I've been messing with openSUSE lately (I have slack on a second hdd in the desktop) and in openSUSE there's a repo with latest kde stuff, so I have 4.3.90. [17:14] I mean, it apparently upgraded all of my other packages just fine, but broke the kernel by not upgrading the modules package alongside the kernel itself [17:14] fire|bird: nice :) [17:15] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65212fe.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [17:15] Rat409: The 4.4 beta, etc. stuff has been quite stable, seems to be a bit faster too. It's great watching it improve with each release. [17:15] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: "Leaving" [17:16] how to use qtcurves for gtk applications? [17:19] agentc0re|work: is this close http://blog.tpa.me.uk/about/ [17:19] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Rat409: thanks, you da man! [17:19] agentc0re|work: thank google :) [17:19] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:20] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:27] troy: see /etc/slackpkg/blacklist :) [17:28] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] agentc0re|work: cool :) [17:28] one thing I wish slackpkg would do: show the changelog entries for packages it's about to upgrade, so you'd know why/whether you wanted to upgrade 'em [17:29] (yes, we can go look at the changelog in a browser or whatever, but slackpkg is supposed to be "one stop shopping") [17:29] raelaa (n=raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:30] agreed :P [17:32] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:35] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:35] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [17:40] Delahunt (n=robert@fe219-115.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] man, i love working for LAUSD sometimes... we can get dell mini insiprons with 3 yr warranties (24 hr turn-around) for $600 [17:42] troy_ (i=1000@mobile-troy.es.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:42] hey guys - is anyone else having problems with the 2.6.32 upgrade? I can't get my system to boot with it :/ [17:43] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:43] troy_: you compiled 2.6.32, or you used an official package? (is there one? I hadn't checked...) [17:43] on x86_64, that is - lilo complains when trying to boot 2.6.32.3-generic from -current [17:43] ah, -current [17:44] what complaint does it make? [17:44] something about PXBE overlap or similar - is there something that needs to be changed in lilo.conf for new kernels? [17:44] On x86_64? [17:44] yeah [17:44] If so, try adding "large-memory" to lilo.conf [17:45] rworkman: will try, followed by reboot :) [17:45] thanks :) [17:45] yw [17:45] If htat fixes it, please advise. I'm trying to get Pat to include that as a default on x86_64 [17:45] (he's resistant) :) [17:45] ah - it was already there apparently [17:46] damn [17:46] hmmmm [17:46] actually, I think I forgot to run lilo after forcing the upgrade - that would do it :) [17:46] brb [17:46] yep [17:46] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:46] troy_ (i=1000@mobile-troy.es.uwo.ca) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.194) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [17:49] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "Leaving" [17:49] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.76.223) joined ##slackware. [17:51] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.170.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[17:54] substancev: http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions [17:55] ricardobarbosa__ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:16f) left irc: Client Quit [17:55] The_ManU_212 (n=manu@port-92-200-29-93.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:55] esteeven (n=esteeven@82-32-107-213.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:56] doofus21 (n=csujbc@viglab-10.dcs.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Client Quit [17:56] sirslacker (i=1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [17:56] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.151.36.35) joined ##slackware. [17:56] ok.. i figured that much thanks. I initially had these partitions as ext3 but ext2ifs wasn't reading them for some reason [17:58] Nick change: Opensys -> OpenSys [17:59] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] rworkmnan, pm incoming [17:59] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [18:00] k [18:01] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.82.197) joined ##slackware. [18:03] rworkman: I get it... how to i set umask dmask fmask from CLI. this is for a drive i will probably not mount again on this machine.? [18:04] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:19b) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] im looking at the -o .. but man doesnt mention much on umask with -o [18:05] substancev: mount -t vfat -o dmask=0000,fmask=0111,uid=$(id -u) /dev/whatever /mountpoint [18:05] i guess i will just comment it out and avoid complications.. thanks [18:05] rworkman: so that does work then thanks. 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[18:31] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] rworkman: thanks :) [18:32] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.9.175) joined ##slackware. [18:32] that explains the kernel upgrade nonsense :) [18:33] anyway, had to build two kernel modules, ndiswrapper and flgrx - everything is working swimmingly now, I think :) [18:34] wicd seems to be failing - not sure why :/ [18:34] Hi troy, quick political question: will polkit remain a direct dependency for KDE or will kauth take over that role as it should? [18:34] alienBOB: best ask aseigo :) [18:35] I almost do not dare to ask this any more in #kde due to the activism of a certain oneforall... he sure does not pave the way for me [18:36] But Aaron may be sensible enough [18:36] hehehe [18:37] i was wondering where i recognized that name from :) [18:37] why is polkit considered so bad? [18:37] it's a redhat pushed project [18:37] so? [18:37] everything evolutionary comes from redhat [18:37] and requries pam :) [18:38] pam ; ; [18:38] I think alot more people would welcome pam, than to complain abou tit [18:38] about it* [18:38] pat doesn't like pam :) [18:38] i never complain about tits... :P [18:38] when all but one use pam, then it's clear what has to budge [18:38] I have to install it anyway - even made myself some buildscripts :) [18:38] mancha, everyone else ;) [18:38] Necos, that's certainly one view :P [18:38] pam is an easy, centralized way to break all your apps authentication at the same time [18:39] not the logical one though :) [18:39] Pat publically claimed pam was a security risk 4-5 years ago, I hardly feel that's an accurate excuse any longer [18:39] Skywise: best description of PAM evar :) [18:39] lol [18:39] 9 million 5 hundred thousand distribs use PAM, patdoesn't [18:39] anyway, KDE has generally accepted patches from slackware to work around pam's absence [18:39] you do the math [18:39] mancha, i did, and it showed me that all other distros suck :P [18:40] it's time some user pressure was applied (hint alienbob/rworkman) [18:40] mancha: I don't see why [18:40] mancha: you use Slackware? [18:40] yes i do [18:40] Good [18:40] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.72.187) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Will you keep using it if it does not get PAMified? [18:41] not for things where pam is essential (as in biometrics and selinux awareness) [18:41] I really don't care about the polkit stuff, just curious why it's so evil. hal is dead anyway, it's clearly inevitable [18:41] so right now i don't run slack on things i'd like to run slack on [18:41] what's hal got to do with pam? >.> [18:42] Necos, more as a note to polkit auth [18:42] oh, bleh... [18:43] but to be frank, with all but one using pam, i think the burden is on slack to justify wanting to be the black sheep of the group on this issue. [18:43] thrice`: polkit is not evil per se... it is not accepting shadowutils as a backend, only pam [18:43] actually, no, they don't [18:44] hey, so a few weeks ago wicd stopped running entirely for me - when I try to run wicd from root, it just exists, no warnings, errors, etc. - and the clients cannot find it to connect to it using dbus [18:44] that was my weekly pam rant. thanks for listening :> [18:44] anyone else seen this? [18:44] slackware has tried to maintain the KISS methodology its entire existence... :P [18:45] just because 9 million people jump off a bridge, just means that slackware will still survive :P [18:45] Necos, that's a vacuous argument. linux has matured so much and grown so much that it is no longer simple, no matter how you slice it [18:45] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] not sure about that, I think alot of people leave for pam [18:45] However, with hal being a moving target relatively shortly after becoming popular, and the device/pol/console kit code being very uch in flux (i.e. breaking functionality all the time) it is making me shiver that we have to depend on the hack-ish code of a single redhat developer [18:45] do you think kde4 is "simple" is using kde as a de part of a kiss strategy or shoudl pat just ship twm? [18:46] Necos, i guess i don't buy your argument at all. [18:46] KDE is "simple" for me because it allows me to be a lot more productive than with twm [18:46] if I copied a bunch of stuff from one hdd to another, and i ran out of room, then freed up a bunch of space, how to copy everything over that didnt get copied over? [18:46] goarilla_ (n=goarilla@142.171-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [18:46] you still have choices anyway :P [18:46] troy: have not seen your issue yet. [18:46] rworkman, btw, new thunar plz? :> [18:46] you don't JUST have KDE4 (but it's one of the easier DEs to setup) [18:47] right now kde is not letting me start wicd - soon I'll become angry and rip off my shirt :P [18:47] brb [18:47] dew eet! [18:47] lol [18:48] troy: I'd set "debug_mode = 1" in /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf and see what gets logged [18:48] mancha, i think pat chose not to do things in order to keep things simple... that's been the slackware method all along. yes, we lose out on certain "features" from other packages, but i think keeping the clutter out is a damn good idea [18:48] clutter? slackware is growing fatter by the release :> [18:48] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-71-62-151-44.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] i don't run any other distro but slack on my servers, and i've been served well [18:48] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] wow, like the strigi indexing progress monitor in 4.3.4 :) [18:49] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:50] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:50] thrice`, it grows yes, but pat makes it a point to watch the growth very carefully IMO [18:50] /cl [18:50] alienBOB: what is the process name when wicd is running correctly? [18:50] old habits duh [18:51] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [18:51] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Client Quit [18:51] Necos i think you make no sense. sorry. [18:52] lol [18:52] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: "Leaving" [18:52] i'm saying that i trust pat's judgement in not including pam, as well as other packages just to appease the masses [18:52] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Necos, and you discard the collective judgment of an entire linux community that has embraced PAM? that's quite an amazing position to take. [18:53] mancha: I wonder why you are still here [18:54] being a skeptic has served slack well in the past, IMO [18:54] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:54] not sure how to respond to that alienBOB... [18:55] troy: wicd-client wicd-daemon, monitor.py [18:55] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] alienBOB: ah - there was a config error in one of the config files preventing it from starting [18:55] Reticenti: thanks :) [18:55] alienBOB: ah - there was a config error in one of the config files preventing it from starting [18:56] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [18:56] is there an echo in here? [18:56] goarilla (n=goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:56] is there an echo in here? [18:57] nyao~~ [18:57] hello, ello ello lo lo o o [18:57] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [18:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] is there a difference between gnu/hurd and the linux kernel? [19:00] yes [19:00] i personally see nothing wrong with slackware users wishing for some feature additions (pam being one example). i know i am not alone on this either. it is sort of offputting though when the reaction to this is "don't like it? get out" [19:01] hurd is a mach/microkernel where linux is a monolithic/modular kernel [19:01] ah, ok [19:01] so hurd is more for limited systems? [19:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd [19:02] mancha: no problem with feature requests, but you could expect the reaction [19:02] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:02] Never say never with Slackware and pam though. If pam gets added, Slackware will be at the point of "adapt or perish" [19:03] there was a section of critisizems on there, probably one of RMS's monkeys deleted it [19:03] we should have a running bet board. i'm guessing pam will be in slackware within next 2 years. [19:04] http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/aobbv/so_i_convinced_my_new_company_to_train_and_become/ [19:04] :psyduck: [19:04] pat will add pam if he sees fit... that's just the way it is :P [19:04] I'd rather slackware gets a tree cleaning first :> who cares about Pam [19:04] ^^^^ [19:04] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [19:05] lol thrice` [19:05] Necos, stop with the idolatry please....use your own /bin/brain ! [19:05] you sound like one of those brainwashed cult folks :) if reverend moonshine says so it must be the way :P [19:06] if pat could get my radeon hd 5770 working in slackware that would be great, thanks :) [19:06] here, have some kool-aid [19:06] Having an odd issue with Slack 13.0 and making an initrd. [19:06] heh, not really... i used to follow pam very closely because of samba [19:06] TClayton (n=tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) joined ##slackware. [19:06] troy: good! You found that through the increased debug level? [19:06] and i saw the security shitstorms that happened regularly [19:06] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "A little boy who had a big hallucination..." [19:06] I build with the ext4 and megaraid modules, but the RAID adapter isn't found. [19:06] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:06] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:06] so i steered clear of that shit [19:06] It's a PERC4/Di [19:06] i want to see the /l dir get split in to the basic libraries and the gtk based stuff in /gtk and the kde stuff go in /kde [19:06] Which should work with megaraid [19:06] Any ideas? [19:07] Pig_Pen: which one does glib go in, l or gtk? (irssi needs glib but not gtk) [19:07] Command line is: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6-smp -m megaraid:ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 [19:07] well i am going to continue liking slackware and using slackware and also advocating for pam - take that! [19:07] :) [19:07] thrice`: obviously some people do care about pam, otherwise it wouldn't be discussed [19:07] here's a pretty easy way to get pam on your slck box: http://isthis4real.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/pam300.jpg [19:07] l would be good enough [19:07] s/slck/slack [19:07] glib is in l [19:07] actually ill be changing distros if the ati bug isn't taken care of. [19:08] << Every Kind Of People :) :) [19:08] atk, gtk, cairo, pango and all the other gtk based stuff go in to /gtk [19:08] lol [19:08] (and yes, it's slackware, not ati) [19:08] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] what is it dartmouth? [19:08] with their proprietary drivers? [19:08] Robert Palmer :} [19:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Necos, combination of that and the way the xorg is setup, we have just the right combination of versions of package with xorg and just the right uniqueness to not work with their 9.12 with some of the newer ati cards. it's working in other distros. [19:09] mancha: good enough. I do not criticize you for wanting pam [19:09] Motoko-chan: does the kernel print out anything about controllers found by megaraid driver? [19:09] Necos, i feel bad saying it without writing a detailed account and finding out what exactly the issue is. [19:09] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Nothing [19:10] but it's a little over my head, and seems to be over the community's head, too [19:10] alienBOB: it was dumping a python backtrace to the log file, yes [19:10] Heh [19:10] Motoko-chan: how is it reported by lspci? [19:10] alienBOB: sadly, it wasn't removing it's pid on shutdown, so that would be a bug - program crashing shouldn't leave pidfile behind [19:11] dartmouth, and you haven't tried upgrading the entire xorg tree? [19:11] troy, actually it would make perfect sense that it would [19:11] troy wicd has very unclean stop execution code [19:11] c.f. its treatment of dhcpcd [19:11] ananke, output from dmesg on huge kernel: http://paste.animeneko.net/68 [19:11] dartmouth: well, python should be able to catch the exception easily enough [19:11] Necos, no, not yet; i am not comfortable doing that; xorg is a fucking mess as it is, and i wouldn't get support for it [19:12] maybe one day if it bothers me enough, I'll look at the code :) [19:12] http://imagebin.org/79448 no more buttons on the titlebar, just middleclick to get a menu :) [19:12] troy: if you'd run /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd then the existing .pid file would have evoked a warning [19:12] lspci says: Dell PowerEdge Expandable RAID controller 4/Di (rev 02) [19:12] it's actually not that hard... i had to upgrade my entire xorg to play with the newer versions of radeonhd [19:12] brb [19:12] alienBOB: yes, that's how I found out about it :) [19:13] Necos, what i might do is look into what versions fedora is using for mesa et al, and the rest of the xorg setup and see if there's something obvious going on there; the same driver should work for all linux distros. [19:13] Motoko-chan: i'm trying to find which one of my servers has that controller. so far i found ' RAID bus controller: Dell PowerEdge Expandable RAID controller 4 (rev 06)' [19:13] The odd thing is it's being picked up on huge with megaraid. [19:13] Motoko-chan: and just to verify, run 'lsscsi' [19:13] Maybe a module dependency isn't being added? [19:13] anyway, need to restart - apparently linux wireless isn't smart enough yet to search for a wireless certificate path on it's own - so I'll abuse Vista for a few moments to yank the cert path from it :) thanks for all the help tonight folks - everything is happy now :) [19:14] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [19:14] Motoko-chan: or it requires that the driver is compiled into the kernel instead of being a module? [19:14] ananke, "MegaRAID LD 0" [19:14] etc/ [19:14] Motoko-chan: k, so it's on that controller [19:14] alienBOB, maybe... [19:14] Action: dartmouth thinks alienBOB would have some insight on the issue with his 5770 [19:14] This is a PE1750, btw [19:14] Action: dartmouth is too proud to ask directly. [19:14] i lost track, policykit was sorta ghetto, then polkit-qt was ok, then i heard polkit-qt-1 was a rather nice api (or was that just unfair buzz)? [19:15] Motoko-chan: now, it may be using megaraid_mm and megaraid_mbox drivers [19:15] It should be okay with an initrd? [19:15] Hmmmm [19:15] I could try to add those in. [19:15] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Did a quick search, megaraid was split. [19:16] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@187.40.91.63) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Motoko-chan: that's why i mentioned it :) [19:16] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [19:17] megaraid_mm is the management module (/dev/megaraid), megaraid_mbox controls the drives. [19:17] there's also megaraid_sas. i don't think i have any 1750 with that controller, but i got some old 2850's with perc 4 [19:17] Necos, what version of slack, what exactly did you upgrade for xorg (versions), what card, what kernel, and do you have any links about upgrading the Xorg tree? [19:17] These are USCSI drives. [19:17] Necos, oh and what driver versions were involved? [19:18] Not SAS [19:18] dartmouth: I do not buy Ati hardware... but using radeonhd is tricky business if you do not get the versions of x.org, mesa, libdrm exactly right [19:18] Motoko-chan: of course, sas wasn't available back then :) [19:18] Motoko-chan: if it works with the others added, *and* they're listed as depends by modinfo, then there's a problem with mkinitrd and we need to fix it [19:18] But the radeon (not hd) driver should work. [19:19] Trying with megaraid_mbox:ext4 [19:19] alienBOB, im getting that impression-- it's a little dishonest for them to make the compatability list so open if it's really so specific. and no, the radeonhd 5770 is not supported with the radeon driver. [19:19] Oddly, megaraid and megaraid_mbox do support different cards, I'm reading. [19:19] So, ultra confusing. [19:19] Motoko-chan: i'm not sure if you can use megaraid_mbox without megaraid_mm [19:20] i guess we'll find out though [19:20] Some of the radeonhd cards get autoprobed by xorg to use the radeon driver (I have one that *used* to do that, but not in 13.0 - it did in 12.2). [19:20] It gets added as a depend, so that is working [19:20] alienBOB, are you aware of a more accurate list of what versions of which packages those drivers need so I don't have to trial-and-error it into a big spaghetti mess? [19:20] And there we go [19:20] megaraid_mbox works [19:20] I had to generate an xorg.conf in 12.2 and then edit it to use radeonhd instead. [19:20] good [19:20] Motoko-chan: cool :) [19:20] ananke: how come you aren't in our other irc place any more? [19:21] rworkman: i just got back from 3 week vacation [19:21] ah [19:21] and before that i switched irc clients. haven't gotten all the stuff set up correctly [19:21] Too cold for a decent vacation :) [19:21] mel0n (n=jshanch@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [19:21] My last play with these cards was before the megaraid_mbox split. [19:22] rworkman: tell me about it. i was visiting family in europe. i was lucky enough to miss big snow storms back in states, and now in europe [19:22] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ananke: wow, cool :) We didn't get any snow (forecasted for ~8cm), but it's been bone-chilling cold [19:23] well it should be simple enough to just look at the versions of x.org, mesa, libdrm fedora is using and upgrade/downgrade accordingly [19:23] hi, how do i resize my existing volume group..on my slackware server, like increasing its size.. [19:23] Motoko-chan: i tend to have pretty much every generation and model of dell server hardware up and running with linux, i share your frustration with changing drivers [19:23] Nick change: slackd0Od -> slackd00d [19:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:24] i updated slackware-current but my sound card aren't detected with alsa drivers [19:24] ruben23: lvresize(8) ? [19:24] someone help me? [19:24] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [19:24] gades: was it working in 13.0? [19:24] rworkman: 12 hrs after i left states, where i live got ~35cm of snow. where i was in europe got the same amount 3 days after i left :) [19:25] yay! [19:25] rworkman: where is the size..? is it the (8)..? [19:25] ruben23: man lvresize [19:25] ruben23: your VG? how do you want to resize it? expand or shrink? [19:25] expand it [19:26] rworkman, yes, but last upgraded cannot detected my sound card [19:26] ruben23: you need to either add another PV, or expand the existing PV/PVs [19:26] its getting full so i want to resize it.. [19:26] gades: is it shown in lspci? What about dmesg? Any sound modules loaded? [19:26] ruben23: but let's make sure we're on the same page. you are certain you're want VG expanded, not LV? [19:27] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] ananke:---> http://pastebin.com/m48011897 [19:28] ruben23: you have 34GB of unallocated space in that VG [19:28] i want to increase my /var directory whihc belong to a Volume group [19:28] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [19:28] yes can i expand it so /var can have the space [19:28] ruben23: uhmm, /var resides on a filesystem. that filesystem resides on a logical volume, which in turn resides in a volume group [19:28] http://pastebin.com/m7512ebf5 [19:29] how do i do it..waht you can suggest.. [19:29] ruben23: so what you want to do is first to expand the logical volume /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol01 and then you need to expand the filesystem [19:29] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:29] you were already told to use lvresize, that will take care of your first task [19:30] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.82.197) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] ok [19:30] ill do it [19:30] Motoko-chan: btw, as usual, make sure you have up to date firmware on that perc [19:30] I do. [19:30] Updated to last system and perc firmward. [19:30] firmware [19:31] It was interesting using wine to build the floppies. [19:31] Action: ananke loves dell's SUU for that [19:31] Nick change: slackd00d -> help [19:31] ##slackware: mode change '+b help!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:31] help kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [19:31] The Linux package didn't like that it wasn't RH [19:31] Motoko-chan: or you can use some major distro and use linux tools :) [19:31] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:31] Major distro? [19:31] Like Ubuntu? [19:32] centos/rhel/sles/opensuse/etc [19:32] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:32] i think even debian is supported [19:32] I like my server OS choice, tyvm. [19:32] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] i didn't say you shouldn't like it [19:33] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [19:33] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [19:33] merely mentioning that floppies are not the only way to deal with firmware upgrades on those boxes. i've also done pxe based booting to OMSA [19:33] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:34] It was the most convenient with what I had at the time. [19:34] and I'm back - just can't get enough of this channel - it's like crack for k{de}ittens :) [19:34] I don't run OM [19:34] This rack is all fun mixed makers. [19:34] you don't have to run OM to use the tools [19:34] I have two HP, a handful of Dell, a handful of ancient IBM, and two whitebox. [19:35] vbatts: you testing any 4.4 packages? [19:35] KDE 4.4 ? [19:35] fredoslack: aye :) [19:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:35] question about VG UUID, is that value set by the manufacturer or is it something generated by lvm? [19:35] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left irc: "Leaving." [19:35] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [19:35] there wasn't KDE 3.4 ' packages :p [19:36] Action: ananke would like that amount of servers. just got back from vacation, and there were 6 additional racks filled with dell servers [19:36] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [19:36] 4.4 <3 [19:36] velusip: it's generated by lvm tools at the time of creation [19:36] Hiii troy [19:36] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] troy, alienBOB has 4.4rc1 packs up, if you're on 64-bit [19:36] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] thrice`: I am :) [19:36] ananke thanks [19:36] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [19:37] ananke ..? i ahve resize it and its succesfull, but when i df -h i dont see any changes on the size of the LogVol01 [19:37] thrice`: giving a KDE 4.4 talk for February 3rd (day it's being tagged) - figured I might as well give my presentation with slack, as usual :) [19:37] ruben23: of course. you did #1, but you didn't do #2. [19:38] thrice`: have a link? my google-fu is failing me :) [19:38] troy, google "alienbob blog" or so :) [19:38] giving a talk on 4.4, it might be nice of you to have actually tried it? ;) [19:39] curious: why would having /var on it's own partition benefit a server environment? [19:39] thrice`: I have - but mostly stuff I'm building for myself in another user account - and that's following trunk [19:39] ananke doing online resizing [19:39] ruben23: congratulations [19:40] fredoslack: allo :) [19:41] ah, found it - thanks thrice` :) [19:41] ananke: thanks, it is nice to be your apprentice..:-D [19:42] troy: you run into some things that don't work because of lack of polkit? [19:42] well, quittin time folks :) [19:42] see ya tomorri [19:43] rworkman: not the first time that's happened :) [19:43] Yeah, it's just annoying as shit though that KDE is now depending on it :/ [19:43] Well, *parts* of kde. [19:43] I wonder, does anything link to polkit directly? or does it use polkit over dbus? [19:44] rworkman, what of xfce and kde regarding auto-mounting and such? I don't think either have hinted at changing from hal [19:44] troy: kde bug 170730 [19:44] Also, I really need to scratch an itch or two with regard to X configuration via kde... I want to be able to turn on tap-to-click on the touchpad [19:45] Action: troy hammers alienbob's repos with a wget -r :) [19:45] thrice`: unclear how that's going to be handled in xfce. Latest thunar is partially broken due to incompat iwth hal and gvfs together [19:45] s/gvfs/gio/ [19:45] Upstream gvfs needs to learn how to use exo-mount instead of hardcoding gnome-mount, for starters [19:45] devicekit? [19:46] devicekit doesn't need to exist for KDE - Solid is that layer [19:46] the force is strong in that one [19:46] and I'll be clear: if I have any say in it, none of the FucKit, er *Kit stuff will go into Slackware until it matures and stabilizes. [19:47] didn't they change names to udisk and upower now? [19:47] change is painful [19:47] sometimes I wonder if adding networkmanager, pam, *kit, etc. would just be the right thing to do :) [19:47] :) [19:48] NM can't even use the new polkit api yet [19:48] if you go back enough you can get a nm w/o policykit (yes note the spelling) dependency [19:49] and you can forward-port alot of the feature enhancements (i know since that kept me from boredom one weekend) [19:49] We're not maintaining a NM fork. [19:49] you might not be! [19:49] i did, and then i got bored :) [19:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [19:50] isn't the forthcoming samba also gonna need pam? [19:50] Knowing our luck, probably. [19:51] writing's on the wall, grasshopper... [19:51] right, but then you don't get the kde 4.4 network manager goodness... ah well - things will sort themselves out, or they won't :) [19:51] samba is also poisoning everything with gpl3 :/ [19:52] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [19:52] troy: I thought drf had a nice solid backend for wicd [19:53] i wish wicd would make a quick migration to C [19:53] it's not shipping by default though, right [19:53] or is it just the web-presence stuff, and not the configuration hooks [19:54] I don't know, tbh [19:54] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [19:54] oh, I hit ALT-F2->"solid" and it shows a wicd backend [19:54] yay [19:54] Hello everyone [19:54] :) [19:54] rworkman: hey Robby, how are you ? [19:54] hello gar0t0, how's it going? [19:54] ola, gar0t0 ; good, and you [19:54] ? [19:55] fire|bird: I'm good :) thanks, and you ? [19:55] rworkman: I'm good too :) [19:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/" [19:55] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.72.187) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:55] gar0t0: I am great, thank you. :) [19:55] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.223) joined ##slackware. [19:56] rworkman: you know one institute for work and studies ? exchange [19:56] ah well, it's not a full implementation - from the shell, typing 'solid-network query status' gives an up|down response from wicd [19:57] but the various other commands from solid-network are dummies [19:58] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] gar0t0: I don't; sorry [20:01] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) joined ##slackware. [20:02] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] rworkman: We are thinking and study english in this year on the other country!! probably US or Canada [20:03] gar0t0 brazilian too? [20:03] Mp3: yes [20:03] :) [20:03] :) [20:03] i am too [20:03] Mp3: join on #slackware-br [20:03] gar0t0: might have an easier time with Canada, if you can stand the climate, due to the politcal nonsense in the US [20:04] yeah, US imigration sux [20:04] getting into us [20:04] <|Slacker|> canada rox [20:05] I'm canadian - getting into the US is getting worse by the week for their 'friends from the north' :) [20:05] going to kde event in san diego next week, and I can't even take carry-on luggage anymore [20:05] troy: I think on 4 countries!! Canada, US, New Zealand or "Australia" [20:05] |Slacker|: Australia in english is Australia ? :D [20:06] gar0t0 me too [20:06] <|Slacker|> yup [20:06] aye :) [20:06] gar0t0 are you on emuroms in irchighway? [20:06] <|Slacker|> me goes to europe in the end of the year, me hopes :p [20:06] troy: huh? [20:06] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-23-225.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:07] troy: sounds like an airline restriction. i just flew back to states few days ago, with carry-on luggage [20:07] ananke: yeah - for all flights travelling from Canada to the US, no carry-on luggage is permitted - on any airline [20:07] troy too bad you werent in mexico, then you could just walk aross the border [20:07] roz [20:07] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:07] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [20:07] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-145.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:07] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:08] I cant wait to get dsl and then starting fragging [20:08] troy: that's nuts. interesting that it applies to flights from canada [20:08] ananke: unless they revoked it in the last few days [20:08] I'm thinking on all possibilities [20:08] all the countries have good points [20:08] nvision (n=nvision@g229054126.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] ananke: well, basically, the US was demanding that Canada spend the money on extra screening - and Canada said 'fuck you', so the US said, 'no carryons then' :) [20:08] troy: ahh. lovely [20:09] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] ananke: the extra restrictions only apply for flights to US - we can fly internally or internationally to all other destinations with carryon luggage :P [20:09] land of the free, my ass :P [20:10] lovely language in here [20:10] don't make fight [20:10] troy: indeed. it's a big race for the biggest police state, between usa, england and australia. [20:10] nachox: sorry - just upset that my neighbours to the south are slowly turning into a police state :) [20:11] troy: there are ways to express your anger without that kind of language :) [20:11] troy: where state you live? [20:11] ananke: yes, they're not nearly as fun though :) [20:11] province [20:11] gar0t0: Ontario, Canada (currently) - grew up in Manitoba [20:11] at least you didn't lose two liters of liquor, thanks to air travel [20:12] i wanna go to toronto [20:12] ananke, you did? [20:12] :/ [20:12] nachox: yes, few days ago. bought it in duty free zone in berlin, then had to discard it in nework, nj [20:12] Mp3: we're probably putting a KDE conference in Toronto in January, 2011 - maybe we'll have a massive slackware turnout like we did at the release party :) [20:12] ananke: ouch, that sucks :( [20:13] cool [20:13] air canada is allowing one more checked bag to offset the US carryon restrictions.. [20:13] nachox: eventhough i flew with it in my carry-on luggage, when i arrived in usa i had to go through another security check. [20:13] troy what do you think about kde 4? [20:13] i didn't like it at all [20:13] juice (i=1000@67.48.17.30) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:13] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: "Leaving." [20:13] Aweso: yeah - doesn't help much though - I normally travel without checked luggage - less chances of airlines losing it [20:13] BP{k}: i opened one of the bottles and had a couple of swigs before i threw it away :) [20:13] If I go to Canada on this year probably I'm going to KDE Conference [20:13] edman007_ (n=edman007@ool-18bca8f3.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] ananke, bubble bags? like the ones used for electronic equipment? [20:14] <|Slacker|> I like it, but slack's kde 4's kinda buggy [20:14] juice (i=1000@67.48.17.30) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Mp3: 4.0.0, or 4.3.4 - very different things :) also, I'm kind of biased :) [20:14] ananke: hehe, was it anything good? [20:14] Action: troy is troy@kde.org [20:14] troy: i prefer to travel withonly a carryon, but since i'm moving to viet nam, i need more than my usual backpack... YVR to LAX wooohoo [20:14] i tried configuring it [20:14] man [20:14] BP{k}: 1l of good polish vodka, and 1l of average irish whiskey. more of a principle than a material loss [25 euro] [20:14] |Slacker|: I've been much happier with slack's implementation than *buntu's :) [20:14] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:14] that sucked, in kde 3 in 3 mminutes it was the way i like [20:15] <|Slacker|> troy, oh..that's for sure [20:15] but with 4 that came with slack 13 i couldn't [20:15] ananke, in any case you were trainig in berlin or on vacations? [20:15] ananke: oh agreed. [20:15] nachox: security is not fond on bringing liquids onto a plane :) [20:15] Mp3: same here... [20:15] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [20:15] nachox: vacation [20:15] Mp3: I liked that one too - 4.2.4 was pretty solid, relative to 4.0.0 :) [20:15] |Slacker|: with all of my distro tests Slack's implementation of KDE4 is the least troublesome [20:15] BP{k}: On this year Canada received one F1 race [20:15] :D [20:15] <|Slacker|> mfillpot, that's good to know [20:15] receive [20:15] gar0t0: we used to have an annual race in Montreal though [20:15] <|Slacker|> mfillpot, in fact I've reinstalled slack and now it seems solid [20:16] wich version comes with slack 13? [20:16] ananke, or glass bottles [20:16] |Slacker|: are you using 13.0 or current? [20:16] Mp3: 4.2.4 [20:16] i recommend you to get rid of these DEs and install dwm, ratpoison, or other wm of that sort [20:16] bah! [20:16] keyboard power! [20:16] i'm using xfce now [20:16] BP{k}: i'm sure it was a sight. i was standing there, without shoes, holding my pants with one hand, and chugging liquor at the security checkpoint in front of hundreds of people [it was very crowded, 30 minute wait] [20:16] <|Slacker|> mfillpot, 13.0 [20:17] heh - DE wars now - sorry folks :) [20:17] <|Slacker|> tried to install current but got no success [20:17] Action: troy is trying to upgrade to alienbob's packages now :) wish me luck [20:17] troy: no war, those are already winners ;) [20:17] troy: Montreal don't received F1 racing a long time [20:18] gar0t0: like 10 years ago, it stopped [20:18] |Slacker|: if you get a chance to run current I high recommend you check out KDE4 on it, KDE 4.3.4 has a lot of fixes, most notably the ability to lock icons on the panels, with the 13.0 included version some of my icons keep moving around [20:18] hey, is there a slackbuild so i can try kde > 4.2.4 on stable 13.0?? [20:18] troy: I live near the Interlagos racetrack [20:18] :D [20:18] ananke: hahaha, I am actually sort of amazed they let you through after that. But admittingly, if they'd stopped me at Amsterdam international airport with my bottle of Ardbeg, I would have probably swigged it as well :) [20:18] <|Slacker|> mfillpot, cool...I might try it [20:19] egregor: yes, there are kde slackbuilds in the source/kde{,i} directory of every full slackware mirror. [20:19] lol, looks like the only thing they missed doing yo you was a prostatic exam [20:19] to you* [20:19] egregor: it is questionable because you might have to update many dependent packages to get it to work, I don't know were a list of those packages is [20:19] BP{k}: but, would it be safe? hehe [20:19] BP{k}: Ardbeg is Whisky? [20:19] it tried once to update to current [20:20] it messed my rig [20:20] mfillpot: it is what concerns me [20:20] hmm [20:20] gar0t0: yes. It's a scotch whisky from Islay, very strong in taste. :) [20:20] :) [20:21] BP{k}, you a whiskey drinker?? [20:21] I drink beer only!! my liver(?? google sux :D) can not take anymore :D [20:21] dartmouth: no. [20:21] current is working nicely for me now that the kernel upgrade is behind me :) [20:21] I'm very happy :) [20:21] I just bought a bottle of 6 year old Canadian Club and can't figure out what to do with it :/ [20:21] i can't stand whisky :( [20:21] i love port wine [20:21] dartmouth: I prefer whisky over whiskey, but I will drink both. :) [20:21] maybe i didn't drink good whiksy [20:21] I was questioning the kernel upgrade myself, but as normal with Slack, Pat took care of it for us [20:21] Bpk, have you ever sipped the provenance? [20:22] hah, you verbose mofo. seriously though, what do I do with this stuff? Doesn't go down well. [20:22] whisky and whiskey is the same drink ? sorry my ignorance [20:22] i can install slack13 to an external usb drive, pending my mbd boots from usb, right? [20:22] one's scottish one is irish [20:22] gar0t0: no. Whisky is made and aged in Scotland, whiskey is the rest ;) [20:22] in terms of the spelling [20:23] mancha: I am not familiar with that, no. [20:23] BP{k}: hmmm [20:23] gar0t0, im one of those guys who corrects peoples' spelling on IRC so I face BP{k}'s wrath in return lol [20:23] Tennessee has laws specifying what can be labeled Bourbon whiskey [20:23] people's [20:23] BPk, it is a special ardbeg. unless you're very wealthy you won't afford full bottles but some places have it so you can buy a glass (or two) [20:24] good whisky is expensive [20:24] gm152, no, it is `peoples'`. [20:24] dartmouth: correct my english when I'm wrong :) [20:24] i only tasted bum whisky :P [20:24] No, because people is a plural word on its own. [20:24] gm152, english is also dialectal, nitwit. [20:25] more than one 'people', a group, is 'peoples' [20:25] mancha: holy .. I know see what you mean about "not beign able to afford" [20:25] O_o [20:25] Uhmm, wrong. [20:25] So women is womens? [20:25] one person, 2 people [20:25] no, not wrong. more than one person is people, more than one people, as in a vast array, is peoples. [20:26] BP{k} yes, a bit obnoxious, the pricetag - i agree. but if you find a place serving glasses try to get one :) [20:26] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [20:26] 2 peoples can mean 2 populations [20:26] Skywise has it. [20:26] lol Skywise read my mind [20:26] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] mancha: I will. although that is not the most expensive ardbeg I have seen. ;) [20:26] i was thiking about population too [20:26] mancha: http://www.whiskyshop.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?whisky=Ardbeg-Double-Barrel-Whisky&pid=2505 [20:27] I never think on two peoples :D [20:27] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] BP{k}: is value right ? [20:28] valeu is right ? O_o [20:28] valeu* [20:28] value = valor [20:28] yes :) [20:28] Mp3: http://www.whiskyshop.com/Shop/Detail.aspx?whisky=Ardbeg-Double-Barrel-Whisky&pid=2505 [20:28] see this link :D [20:28] 0_0 [20:28] 10k? [20:28] holy mamma, how much would that be if you take out the oak box, silver goblets, etc [20:29] BP{k}: wow that is some expensive stuff, is it scotch or american whiskey? [20:29] and i thought 140 reais was expensive :P [20:29] mfillpot: scotch whisky from islay [20:29] 10,000 UK = 16,105 USD.. that is too expensive for a drink [20:30] ok, bpk, if i add that to my shopping list i will have to not donate to slackware this year [20:30] dammit, all this talking about drink is getting me thirsty. :) [20:30] mfillpot: depends :D [20:30] mancha: bah, if you can afford that without blinking twice, you can afford a donation. ;) [20:30] i got mine [20:30] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [20:30] BP{k}: that is good, because I can't see anyone paying that for american whiskey [20:30] did you guys drink port wine? i love it [20:30] it's very good [20:30] Mp3: I have known to have a bottle or two around the house [20:31] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [20:31] it's stronger than regular wine and sweeter [20:31] 2^4 = 16 address -2 (net address + broadcast) leaves me with a 14 valid address right? So if i use a class C net address, i.e.: 192.1.1.240/28 would be okay? Is this technically correct to say or I missed something here? [20:31] and doesn't give a hangover too :D [20:32] class C is not valid in this case [20:32] Mp3: sure does [20:32] 192.168.xxx.xxx [20:32] Mp3: hangover with porto is as common as with any other red wine, even more so [20:32] i never had one hehe [20:32] not yet :P [20:33] hfm check out some cidr tutorials [20:33] Mp3: hangover is a condition often caused by dehydration, and with red wine it's also compounded by the presence of tannins [20:33] Aweso (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] i was pretty sure i nailed the cidr right but forgot about the ranges itself apparently bad example on that .1.1. there [20:34] anyhow cheers [20:34] i don't know much about it, but i think it does have less chemics in it [20:34] =) [20:34] i drank one here in brazil, man, it tasted like plastic [20:34] worst wine i ever drank [20:35] /28 is equiv to 255.255.255.240 [20:35] that's correct [20:35] While I'm struggling desperately to pay off a 5,000 dollar bill in collections to join the air force, I will personally throw used toiletpaper at anyone who spends 20k on a bottle of whiskey. [20:36] that's got to be one epic bottle of whisky [20:36] winstonw (n=winstonw@c-24-245-62-24.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] winstonw (n=winstonw@c-24-245-62-24.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [20:36] dartmouth: again, it was whisky, not whiskey. ;) [20:36] lol [20:36] lol [20:36] c-class is old nomenclature and refers to /24 [20:36] or 255.255.255.0 [20:36] BP{k}, im from tennessee lol [20:37] well but in this case i took 4 bits of the host part as i dont need many [20:37] you swedish meatball [20:38] small network with 5 pc + a router, the add 192.1.1.241-254 i think [20:38] lol sorry i just watched englorious basterds again and im stuck in aldo raine mode [20:38] ananke i wanna try night train :P [20:38] cause of the song from guns n'roses [20:38] cidr 28 wold be fine alright folks nice one [20:38] would* [20:39] ty [20:39] Mp3, are you from brazil btw? [20:39] yes [20:39] l8r [20:39] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [20:39] yeah /28 will be fine for that small a lan [20:39] why? [20:39] BP{k}: buy this whisky and send one for me :D [20:40] Mp3, eu tambem from brazil! =) [20:40] living in england though [20:40] hehe [20:40] legal [20:40] dartmouth << But your status as a Nazi killer is still amateur. We all come here to see if you wanna go pro. [20:40] BPk i rich, he buys 10,000 euro scotch, he should buy us all a boxed 13.1 set! [20:40] <|Slacker|> brazilian invason [20:40] freezing waste land [20:40] ah [20:40] Mp3, =) [20:40] in here we are cooking [20:40] another guy from Brazil [20:40] hahaha [20:40] too damn hot [20:40] velusip, that guy needs his own sitcom [20:40] ahaha [20:40] oh well! we are everywhere! [20:41] hahaha [20:41] hfjardim, brazilian? excellent. Please send me photos of your girlfriends. [20:41] O_o [20:41] lol [20:41] (I'm kidding). (mostly). [20:41] troll detected :D [20:41] <|Slacker|> lmao [20:41] dartmouth, my girlfriends? lol [20:42] you dont know they are girlfriends until you actually proof check it if you know what i mean [20:42] is slackware pop'lar in brazil? vs other linuxes? [20:42] i like more the american type of girls, not the chubby ones [20:42] but blondes with blue eyes [20:42] i love blue eyed girls [20:42] bedam (n=bedam@189-015-179-117.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:42] and brunets too [20:42] I like my wife!! She is beautiful :) [20:42] slacks (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:42] mancha, well i persoanlly started with conectiva which is a brazilian distro... i think changed to mandriva now or something [20:43] it was rh based [20:43] yes it's mandriva now [20:43] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:43] mandrake + conectiva [20:43] *personally [20:43] are you kidding? a gorgeous brazillian tops a gorgeous american any day. damned french/scott ancestry lol [20:43] that's it [20:43] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] Nick change: slacks -> |SLacker| [20:43] http://www.mannual.com.br/_img/fck/image/repositorio/foto_foto1245605184.jpg <-- My wife [20:43] dartmouth, you got that right ;) [20:43] :) [20:44] hfjardim and you made the smart move to the more thought demanding slackware! :) [20:44] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] gar0t0 wow :P [20:44] hehe [20:44] slackware seems pretty popular here in br [20:44] hfjardim, yum. [20:44] ;) [20:45] and in italy too [20:45] mancha, man i actually met slackware when on version 8 or 9 i guess... don't remember the year. couldn't put it down ever since [20:45] now if gar0t0 can get me some gar0t4 and BP{k} some of his 10,000 euro scotch, i'll be happy slacker! [20:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [20:45] slack is the only distro i ever liked [20:45] lol [20:45] 10K scotch? cachaca? lol [20:45] hfjardim, well if she ever wants citizenship i'd be happy to oblige :D [20:45] i tried salix yesterday [20:46] do you know salix? its 100% compatible with slack [20:46] wow, kwin crashed - that's what I get for upgrading kde while it's still running :) twm to the rescue! :) [20:46] i used it first when it was version 4 [20:46] but never used that much :( [20:46] only a joke guys :D !! this is my wife --> http://www.fotolog.com.br/gar0t0_/30395444 <-- and my Sophia (the cat) [20:46] that was just before it jumped to version 7 wasnt it? [20:46] it went like 4...7 i think [20:46] or something like that [20:47] hfjardim: you goes to england for study ? [20:47] yes [20:47] it jumped some version numbers [20:47] i was studying but university is finished now and i'm just living here [20:47] i think it was two times they did it [20:47] >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/download/file.php?id=262&mode=view :) [20:48] two times? i think it was just once, but like a big jump [20:48] hfjardim: hmm!! I'm thinking to travel, to study english and work [20:48] pat does explain on the faq on slackware.com though [20:48] if it's still there [20:48] yes [20:48] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [20:48] gar0t0, that's your wife? [20:48] he said it was a major upgrade [20:48] mancha: the last, yes [20:48] that's why he chose to do it [20:48] gar0t0, man if you need some help give me a hand [20:48] i shout i mean [20:48] =) [20:49] he's very nice looking. congratulations. [20:49] er, she's [20:49] lol [20:49] mancha: thank you :) [20:49] hahah [20:49] "s" key sucks on this handheld, not a freudian whatever [20:49] hfjardim: join on #slackware-br :) [20:49] yeah right... [20:49] heh, sometimes a cigar is just a penis extension [20:50] <|SLacker|> you like penises? [20:50] my perfect type of woman is a girl like liv tyler [20:50] she's perfect for me [20:50] who is liv tyler? [20:50] or jennifer connelly [20:50] some folks from slackware have been to brazil haven't they? [20:50] arwen from lord the rings [20:50] i do remember talking to rworkman about it [20:50] ah, the elf lady, cute! [20:50] the brunet elf [20:51] plus i liked her when she spoke elven [20:51] hehehe [20:51] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [20:51] factotum (n=factotum@24-180-127-58.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:52] mancha do you know jennifer connelly? [20:52] oh man replacement laptop is rocking [20:52] Mp3, yes, she is ok, but not my type [20:52] this one has the ICH8 instead of ICH7 and it came with a T7100 instead of a T2400 [20:52] Mp3, what do you think of scarlet johanssen (sp?) [20:52] cool antiwire [20:53] <|SLacker|> scarlet johanson is so friggin' cute [20:53] yeah [20:53] she is beautiful [20:54] i really liked her after I heard she was a tom waits fan [20:55] did you see match point? [20:55] mmm mmm good [20:56] dlant (n=dlant@187.74.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [20:57] match point, i don't recall [20:57] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [20:57] woody allen flick, she was the seductive vixen [20:57] <|SLacker|> I don't like woody allen [20:58] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] me too, i don't like him [20:58] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.243) left irc: "Leaving." [20:59] I saw two of his movies, liked one, cant remember the name of either [20:59] And then I dumped her [20:59] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:59] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] hehe [21:00] she snores? [21:00] :P [21:00] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] among other things, but i digress [21:00] does openSUSE still suck major balls? [21:01] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.170.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:01] absolutely [21:01] wow [21:01] There are a bunch of people in here who use openSUSE [21:01] later ppl [21:01] :) [21:01] well, I dont know actually. [21:01] I tried 6.3 once [21:01] Dominian uses it, iirc [21:01] dissociative (n=alejandr@190.120.141.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:01] c ya gar0t0 [21:02] <|SLacker|> see ya b0y [21:02] antiwire: Yes, he does, and I'm on openSUSE 11.2 atm, slack is on my other hdd. [21:02] <|SLacker|> g'nite [21:02] Does anyone use AHCI over CONFIG_ATA_PIIX? [21:03] If so, what were your reasons? [21:03] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [21:04] This laptop supports RAID. This should be interesting [21:04] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [21:04] I have a co-worker that loves it once he changes his repo mirrors [21:04] changed that is [21:05] alienBOB: running your 4.4 packages - thanks :) [21:06] factotum (n=factotum@24-180-127-58.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [21:07] I've got all this new internal hardware to play with now. [21:07] Stoked [21:08] i wish i could resize the taskbar in kde easier like it was in kde 3 [21:08] you can [21:09] i tried about a milion times and it messed every time [21:09] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [21:09] you must be slow [21:09] kde 3 i'd only right click, choose small and ok [21:09] thrice`yeah i'm slow :) [21:09] did you try the obvious, like "edit panel" ? [21:09] i'm in a special school for mental impaired :P [21:09] of course [21:09] :) [21:10] but you're in the honors track, i heard. [21:10] first unlock widgets. next, right click the panel and choose panel options and then panel settings [21:10] height is in the middle. [21:10] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:10] antiwire i did it [21:11] see you folks :) [21:11] troy (n=quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [21:11] vehn_z (n=vehn_z@62.133.182.189) joined ##slackware. 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[21:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [21:23] i just installed slackware 13.0 to a usb harddrive, and chose / for the lilo install, but when i try to boot from the harddrive it says "missing operating system", any ideas what i broke or did wrong? [21:24] does the system's main disk still boot? [21:24] yes, im on it right now [21:24] bedam (n=bedam@189-015-179-117.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:24] i'm using the slack 13 dvd, but i dont think that makes a difference.. [21:25] quickly! i'm drawing a cartoon of pink and blue poptarts holding hands, and i need a caption for it! [21:25] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [21:25] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [21:25] 1. you need a PC that is capable of booting from usb devices, and 2. you need a kernel that is capble of booting from a usb device [21:26] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.181.246) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:27] my bios has the option of usb harddisk and usb "floppy" i've set my order to optical, usb harddrive, main harddrive. is the hugesmp.s capable or booting from usb? or is there another one on the disc can use that is capable? [21:27] telperion (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) left ##slackware. [21:28] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] you need a custom initrd (if it is even possible) it needs to load the modules that make access to a usb harddrive in to memory before it even start booting [21:30] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:30] i am not sure that is even possible with slackware, i do have slax installed on a usb thumbdrive that runs quite nicely (lots better than a live CD) [21:31] hang around a little while maybe somebody alread done it and can help [21:32] (##slackware) Channel ban on help!*@* expired. [21:32] ##slackware: mode change '-b help!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:32] sure thanks :) i'm reading the readme.initrd [21:32] Mp3 (n=aaa@20158118122.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:34] even if i installed lilo to the mbr, i'd still need the initrd to get the usb drive off the ground, right? [21:34] yup [21:34] the usb drive, the filesystem too [21:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [21:35] ok :) i'll just stick around then, and hopefully someone can give me a hand, thanks Pig_Pen [21:36] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [21:38] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Mp3 (n=aaa@20158025159.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:44] connection dropped :/ [21:44] got it working now [21:44] wb [21:44] it's as easy as with kde 3 too [21:44] thanks MikeSee [21:45] np Mp3 [21:46] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30CBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[21:56] goarilla_ (n=goarilla@142.171-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:58] _theradar (i=yamabush@detached.ircii.de) joined ##slackware. [21:59] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [22:02] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30CE7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:02] is there a way to get %of cpu utilization outside of top? [22:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [22:04] conky maybe [22:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:07] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [22:07] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.223) left irc: "Leaving" [22:08] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Nick change: _theradar -> yamabushi [22:09] goarilla (n=goarilla@142.171-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [22:09] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-98-68.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:10] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.223) joined ##slackware. [22:10] htop is cool, sort of like an improved top [22:11] okay i'm going to boot the dvd again, and mount the usb drive and then run mkinitrd, to try and sort out my usb drive -- hope this works :D [22:11] thanks again Pig_Pen [22:12] sure, you figure out the modules you need to load? [22:12] MikeSee (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] you get that working and other people might want to know, maybe write a HOWTO.txt file or something [22:13] sleepytime for me! laters [22:13] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [22:18] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:21] confusid (n=confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:22] Hello, if I want to install adobe flash player do I use the .tar.gz or get the one for debian since it use's the apt-get command also? [22:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-111-233.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:22] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] .... [22:22] MikeSee (n=mike@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] I'm new to slack so I'm a bit lost on installing 3rd party plugins [22:23] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [22:24] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:24] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] <|SLacker|> confusid, what plugins [22:25] dvd [22:25] <|SLacker|> ok [22:25] <|SLacker|> get sbopkg on sbopkg.org [22:26] <|SLacker|> install it and be happy [22:26] ty [22:26] out of all the unix/linux distro's I've tried over the last 6 months.. Slackware kinda reached out and grabed me.. It runs faster on this lapy then any of the otheres :) [22:27] adaptr (n=jgeilman@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] RaNdY (i=randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] confusid: what type of laptop? Out of curiosity, what WM did you choose? [22:28] RaNdY (i=randy@rats.run.the.shell.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:29] I'm using kde atm.. but fvwm is what I will be using after I finish a few things. the lapy is a sony vaio pcg-k13 very old one [22:31] adaptr (n=jgeilman@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] confusid: well xfce runs nicely on a acer aspire one that i have fwiw. i also found that google chrome runs the best on the slower machine. [22:36] I've not tried google chrome on linux yet.. I will look at that. [22:36] If I wanted to use flash player and down load it from macromedia.. could I use a binary from another distro? [22:37] I am surprised how well and fast kde is running on this lapy!! it only has 128mb mem in it :) [22:39] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:39] yarvin_ (n=yarvin@137.229.131.34) left ##slackware. [22:41] confusid: slackbuilds.org... thats what sbopkg was for. [22:41] /buffer new [22:42] darnit [22:42] lol [22:45] |SLacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [22:46] okay so i installed slack 13 on a usb harddrive, my bios tries to boot but it says "missing operating system". pig_pen mentioned i need yo use mkinitrd to start the usb harddrive. so i read the readme.initrd in the slackware mirror's and found a mkinitrd line of code that matches my system, but when boot the dvd up to run the line of code i found, it says mkinitrd cannot be found... am i hooped or is there a way to make this wor [22:46] k? any help would be appreciated. thanks. [22:48] telperion1 (n=Adium@190.156.15.83) joined ##slackware. [22:49] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:49] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [22:50] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.9.175) left irc: "Leaving" [22:55] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:40] welcome back MLanden [23:40] thanks fire|bird ... how's it going? [23:40] MLanden: great, thanks. you? [23:40] rworkman (i=3356@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:40] alienBlurb (i=3351@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:40] fred (i=3362@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:41] fire|bird, doin' great thanks [23:41] Nick change: fred -> Guest85430 [23:44] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:47] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. 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