[00:00] I had all my packages up to current though [00:00] did you remove anything? [00:00] didn't move any *.new files over [00:00] mrselfpwn: when you upgraded to current did you add the urwid package? [00:01] the urwid is installed [00:01] error [00:02] http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6AD1DA01D692DABB Animal Armageddon [00:02] Could not connect to wicd's D-Bus interface. [00:02] as others have had [00:02] 4.0K /var/log/packages/urwid-0.9.8.4-i486-1 [00:02] installed [00:02] i have been staying with current using slapt-get [00:03] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:03] I rsync with slackware.no [00:03] today [00:03] updated [00:03] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [00:03] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:03] moved the .new conf files over and now no wicd. [00:05] others have had the same results though not sure if they got it working or not [00:05] andrew_50 (n=andrew@C-61-69-167-232.syd.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:06] I'm having trouble getting /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf to activate wpa_supplicant and dclient for my wireless network. i don't receive _any_ output at all when I run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart. here is my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf: http://pastebin.org/1019. [00:06] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [00:06] well, I need to install wicd anyway. brb [00:07] If I run this command, my network is brought up perfectly fine: "wpa_supplicant -B -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dwext && dhclient wlan0" [00:07] andrew_50 (n=andrew@C-61-69-167-232.syd.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("SWMBO calls."). [00:07] any ideas what I am doing wrong with my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf? [00:08] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] here is the error i recieve [00:09] http://pastebin.com/d4990545d [00:10] apparently there is no dbus in slack 13? [00:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] slack 13? [00:10] I have dbus here on -current [00:11] mrselfpwn: there is a group you need to add yourself to [00:11] is anyone familiar enough with /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf to help me? [00:11] yes that's it [00:11] i can't remember what it's called though; netdev maybe [00:11] i remember that [00:11] yep [00:11] something along those lines [00:12] thanks for jogging my memory [00:12] i'll check my irc logs [00:12] anyone...? [00:12] zaltekk: just state your problem [00:12] straterra: i already did. [00:12] I'm having trouble getting /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf to activate wpa_supplicant and dclient for my wireless network. i don't receive _any_ output at all when I run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart. here is my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf: http://pastebin.org/1019. [00:12] If I run this command, my network is brought up perfectly fine: "wpa_supplicant -B -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dwext && dhclient wlan0" [00:13] ah, great [00:13] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] don't have logging enabled on this system [00:14] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [00:14] though i think it is netdev. i'll give that a shot [00:15] *sigh*. I guess I'll try back tomorrow. [00:15] 1 sec zaltekk, i'll look at it [00:15] zaltekk: you gotta whine a little more before the people notice in here [00:15] =/ [00:15] zaltekk, what do your logs say? [00:16] mrselfpwn: nothing? [00:16] y0 antler [00:16] hi fire|bird :) how's it going? [00:16] antler: going great, thanks. you? [00:16] no worries, i've been watching my 2 year old niece lately so I'm used to it. [00:16] haha [00:16] fire|bird: excellent now that the weekend's here :P [00:17] antler: \o/ [00:17] how do i increase power to usb spkrs? [00:17] antler: got your flux to where you want it? [00:17] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-72.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [00:18] i dont wanna wine; i just want the answer [00:18] men dont wine [00:18] fire|bird: yeah, it's exactly the way it was when i first installed it :P [00:18] mrselfpwn: if i restart rc.inet1, /var/log/messages shows it bringing down the interface, but not trying to bring it back up [00:19] Quiznos: you mean volume? adjust it with alsamixer or the mixer included with the de/wm you use, or use the volume control on the speakers if there is one. [00:19] it just ifconfig's eth0, wlan0, and lo down, then sets lo to 127.0.0.1 [00:19] antler: WOW, now that's hardcore customization. [00:19] fire|bird: yeah hahah and the same background colour, too. [00:19] are you using iwconfig at all? [00:19] fire|bird i did that but i know more power can be sent to the spkrs; it can get quite loud. so i know that while the video/snd is not correct, more can be sent. [00:20] <|alisonken1churc> OK - serverworks serial ata system (broadcom 5785 [ht1000]) drive and 750G drive [00:20] antler: dang, you lazy, friggen..... :) j/k [00:20] fire|bird: hahaha [00:20] <|alisonken1churc> anyone know how to fix lilo? errors at "L 99" (map error on 2nd stage loader) [00:20] rerun lilo [00:20] lilo -v -v [00:21] lilo -t -v [00:21] fire|bird anything i can do? [00:21] zaltekk [00:21] ? [00:22] what does your wpa config file look like? [00:22] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) left ##slackware. [00:22] is your wlan even attempting to get an ip? [00:23] mrselfpwn: no, it isn't trying. rc.inet1 doesn't even do /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up [00:23] i really think i missed something :) but since when audio players need 100mb ram?! o_O [00:23] <|alisonken1churc> mrselfpwn: what are you looking for? [00:23] <|alisonken1churc> (lilo issue) [00:23] are you using dhclient zaltekk? [00:23] mrselfpwn: my wpa_supplicant.conf works when i manually start wpa_supplicant [00:23] or dhcpcd [00:23] mrselfpwn: i am when i manually bring it up. rc.inet1 doesn't use either. [00:23] dhclient [00:24] <|alisonken1churc> lilo says it loaded fine [00:24] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-124.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] have you tried dhcpcd? I may be confused as to where your problem lies [00:25] iwconfig wlan0 essid youressidhere [00:25] mrselfpwn: rc.inet1 _should_ start wpa_supplicant and a dhcp client. it however does absolutely nothing. [00:25] mrselfpwn: I don't want to do it manually. i want rc.inet1 to do it at boot like it is suppose to. [00:26] ahhh [00:26] i don't use inet1 [00:26] i rather the manual labor [00:26] antler: When you used kde, did you customize that? [00:27] mrselfpwn: it seems that i'll have to just put the startup in my rc.local until someone can tell me what is wrong with my rc.inet1.conf [00:27] <|alisonken1churc> mrselfpwn: http://pastebin.ca/1491497 [00:27] or turn on debuggin [00:27] mrselfpwn: i tried the debug setting in the file. it didn't give any output either. [00:28] it seems like the script is just dead [00:28] and if you run it manually it does nothing as well? [00:29] if i run rc.inet1 manually, it does nothing. [00:29] if i run wpa_supplicant and dhclient manually, it works perfectly. [00:30] may i see your lilo.conf |alisonken1churc ? [00:31] is that how you ask the ladies? [00:31] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:32] the one's who are named Ken [00:32] ah [00:33] <|alisonken1churc> mrselfpwn: http://pastebin.ca/1491498 [00:33] <|alisonken1churc> signal11: :) [00:34] Nick change: |alisonken1churc -> alisonken1church [00:34] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:35] when did it start giving the error Alison? [00:36] after I installed the first time :) installing slack64 on a silicon mechanics server [00:36] hm [00:36] i understand [00:37] the office is using local debian distro with grub on these, but haven't quite figured out some things that they're doing to get it to boot yet [00:39] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "out" [00:39] mrselfpwn: actually, Allison is currently on a mission trip to Arizona - I'm Ken :) [00:39] :) [00:40] always trust my intuition. [00:40] i was looking for you a few weeks ago, but you weren't around.. [00:40] btw, some guy in here told me you were a lady. [00:40] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [00:40] well, he/she's technically both [00:40] lol [00:41] but only one at a time. [00:41] eviljames: :) [00:41] you would know if you looked at his pastebin lol [00:41] I work nights now - 2200-0600 [00:41] fire|bird: yeah, quite a bit -- almost to the point where the customisations slowed kde down [00:42] antler: so, why not customize flux alot? laziness? (again) [00:42] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [00:42] how many partitions on sda Ken? [00:42] fire|bird, i'm working to get xmonad as my wm for xfce4 [00:42] mrselfpwn: nice [00:43] should be interesting [00:43] . /dev/sda 1=/boot 2=swap 3=root 4=/home [00:43] ah [00:43] you have root = /dev/sda2 [00:43] sorry - 1=/boot 2=root 3=swap 4=/home [00:43] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] oh okay [00:43] keep forgetting the larger disk I swapped root and swap [00:44] no lvms? [00:44] not that I'm aware of [00:44] mrselfpwn: um, are you on -currrent? [00:44] since I have dual 750G, I was thnking of raid, but the driver doesn't do raid with this server [00:44] yes rworkman [00:44] -current rc1 [00:44] though not using 64 bit [00:45] mrselfpwn: I don't think you merged the hal.conf.new over with the hal package rebuild; else your wicd error pastebin would have been a bit different [00:45] hmm [00:46] mrselfpwn: you shouldn't have gotten lines 9, 10, and 11 [00:46] fire|bird: hahah actually not laziness; i think flux is better without unnecessary addons and such [00:46] antler: :), that's true. I'm actually on kde4 atm. :D [00:46] mrselfpwn: and btw, I know it's already solved, but /usr/doc/wicd-1.6.1/README.SLACKWARE is your friend. [00:46] fire|bird: kde4? yeah, customise away! [00:47] thank you rworkman [00:47] and fwiw, wicd-1.6.2's gui will tell you that you need to be in the netdev group [00:47] antler: I have. :) to how I like anyway. [00:47] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:47] antler: It is very nice, fast, but I like flux's speed & simplicity. [00:47] fire|bird: yeah, it's worth customising, imo. [00:47] yeah, agreed [00:47] what is the problem with my hal.conf? i mv hal.conf.new to hal.conf and hal.conf to hal.conf.bak [00:48] mrselfpwn: you mean you *just now* moved it? [00:48] eviljames: what did you want a couple of weeks ago? [00:48] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-124.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:48] after i did a full upgrade --install-new --reinstall /root/slackware/*/*.txz [00:48] fire|bird: my tower no longer sounds like a huey--replaced the northbridge fan last night. :D [00:49] hahaha, it sounded that bad? :)\ [00:49] mrselfpwn: odd. It's just that you should have this: [00:49] s/upgrade/upgradepkg [00:49] [00:49] send_interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable"/> [00:49] you should hear the triple fans on this server I'm working on now :) [00:49] mrselfpwn: ^^ in your hal.conf, which means that lines 9, 10, and 11 of your pastbin shouldn't have been there. [00:49] heh is it bad that i mv name.txz name.tgz && installpkg name.tgz? :P [00:50] fire|bird: yeah, it was pretty bad. [00:51] heh [00:52] http://pastebin.com/d12d18a48 is my hal.conf which was hal.new [00:52] hal.conf.new [00:52] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-121.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [00:52] antler: http://imagebin.org:80/55528 [00:54] fire|bird: oh that's nice :) [00:54] antler: :), I just took that picture tonight. [00:54] so by being in netdev i can pwn haldaemon ? [00:55] fire|bird: nice one [00:55] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:55] fire|bird: http://imagebin.org/55529 [00:56] antler: Well, you did change the default theme. That actually looks nice. [00:56] alisonken1church: think I was looking at the merits of different hosts and wanted to ask a q or two, but it was no biggie. [00:57] fire|bird: oh, yeah. i think i did in fact get creative :D [00:57] antler: better mark that on the calendar. [00:57] fire|bird: yeah, kontact. :P [00:57] eviljames: check that ss I posted. I took that photo tonight, not storms, but a nice photo. [00:58] antler: set it for a reminder to, that way, down the road, you can remember you did something. :) [00:58] eviljames: np - you can still ask if only for curiosity. not sure how much help I would be, though :) we're currently doing some evaluations of our own [00:58] fire|bird: oh, you meant you photographed the picture to use as your desktop background? cool :D [00:58] antler: yeah [00:58] i thought you meant you ksnaphot'ted your desktop tonight [00:59] well, I did that too, after I took that photo and set it as the wallpaper. :P [00:59] heh [00:59] I took 56 photos tonight, close to the same, but it's always good to take a bunch of shots. [00:59] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [01:00] antler: I have about 10,600 pictures on the hdd now since '07 [01:00] fire|bird: ss? [01:00] eviljames: ss = screenshot: http://imagebin.org:80/55528 [01:00] hm, i wonder how many i have [01:00] antler: probably not that many. :) [01:01] wow, that's nice! [01:01] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [01:01] fire|bird: 15568 [01:01] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] antler: seriously? how long a time span does that cover? [01:02] fire|bird: 2006 [01:02] 10684 here [01:02] antler: holy......you must have bouts of non-laziness. [01:02] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.72) left irc: Client Quit [01:02] i get groupmod: invalid group netdev . Though it is in /etc/group [01:02] fire|bird: some shots are quite useless, though. too dark, too light, etc. [01:03] AnonymousRedneck (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:03] Nick change: brklynRednek -> AnonymousRedneck [01:03] eviljames: Also, the nick you want to look for when I'm at work is alisonken1noc [01:03] eviljames: That was a little after sunset tonight. I wish the clouds would have turned the pinks/purples, they alot of times do, but these still turned out really nice. [01:04] antler: heh, my total is after I've removed the no good ones. [01:04] by the end of the year, I wouldn't be surprised if my total is around, if not over, 20,000 [01:05] antler: what kind of camera do you have? [01:05] anyone have any thoghts on my lilo problem? [01:06] anyone using soingbird here? [01:06] songbird? [01:06] anyway manually added [01:06] will let you know [01:06] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [01:06] john_dee: I have in the past? having issues? [01:06] fire|bird: it's an inexpensive one -- a canon a620 [01:07] (old) [01:07] antler: nice. Samsung BL103 here. [01:07] what was the lilo problem alisonken1church [01:07] samsung camera? heh first time i've heard of that [01:07] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] fire|bird, yes. memory issue %) just kidding. actually it doesn't play anything. tried it on slack64? [01:07] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:08] antler: you've never heard of Samsung Camera's? :P [01:08] john_dee: just 32bit here. [01:08] it worked fine [01:08] fire|bird: not before you mentioned you had one [01:08] tank-man: boot stops at "L 99" config=http://pastebin.ca/1491498 lilo command=http://pastebin.ca/1491497 [01:08] antler: you fail. :) [01:08] :) [01:09] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-60-55.lns4.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [01:09] have you tried googleing "l 99 lilo " ? [01:09] yep - just tells me that it's an error loading the second stage driver map file [01:09] fire|bird: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/A620/A620A.HTM [01:09] antler: know what shutter, aperture, f-stop, etc. are? j/k just a short quiz. :P [01:09] how big is /boot ? [01:10] sda1=/boo (1G) sda2=root (10G) sda3=swap (4G) sda4=/home (735G) [01:10] sda1=/boot [01:10] 1G for boot, wow [01:11] room to play with several kernels :) [01:12] fire|bird: shutter and aperture, yeah. f-stop..... hm, i forgot :P [01:12] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:12] antler: hahaha [01:12] rworkman, thank you. after joining netdev group wicd-clent is working [01:13] antler: f-stop is related to aperture. ;) [01:13] Quick question. What is the best way to restart the network interface connections? [01:14] antler: I have 5 digital cameras. [01:14] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:14] mrselfpwn: /etc/niit.d/rc.inet1 stop [01:14] mrselfpwn: /etc/niit.d/rc.inet1 start [01:15] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:15] mrselfpwn: /etc/niit.d/rc.inet1 restart <-- another option [01:15] i like my sda now, 8mb unusable, 175GB opensolaris, 2gb swap, 13gb root and 60gb home [01:15] sorry - /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 [01:15] approxi [01:15] yes, i've done that though it did not do what was intended [01:15] fire|bird: http://www.shutterphoto.net/wp-content/gallery/misc/first_digital_camera.jpg <----my first digital camera? [01:16] antler: hahahaha, wow. [01:16] for instance after i use kismet [01:16] Nick change: AnonymousRedneck -> AnonRednek|out [01:16] it says to do that and point to /etc/init.d [01:17] which version are you running? [01:17] antler: my first digital camera was an Aiptek PenCam (friggen piece of crap) [01:17] i understand it's rc.d/ in slackware though even after restarting there [01:17] still could not bring up the interfaces normally and have to restart [01:17] i'm on -current [01:17] I'm looking at -current rc1 and init.d is only looked at after rc.d stuff [01:17] antler: This is one of the ones I have: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0402/04020205pentaxoptios40.asp [01:18] yes [01:18] let me test it [01:18] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [01:18] AnonRednek|out: can you please not do that, we really don't care, you can set yourself silently away if you need to. [01:18] fire|bird: hehe i like that.... "optio" [01:19] heya BP{k}, how's it going? [01:19] fire|bird: not bad, you? :) [01:20] antler: it's an excellent camera. All metal body, small screen though, but alot of effects, etc. [01:20] BP{k}: doing excellent, thanks. :) [01:20] alisonken1church, is /boot mounted when you run lilo ? [01:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:20] of course :) otherwise lilo would return an error [01:20] antler: that one is small enough to fit in an altoids tin. :) [01:20] tank-man: ^^ [01:21] I was just thinking maybe you have two /boot directories, one on its own partition and one in root partition [01:21] antler: The one I have now is 10 MP and has nice manual settings, etc. I <3 it. [01:22] tank-man: need a /boot directory for a mount point, but yes, I've checked that as well [01:22] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:22] interestingly enough, i don't even have to restart the network config on -current [01:23] C4ntu (n=action-Z@201-41-198-223.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:24] though, i did totally disable inet1 from starting automatically before i upgraded. [01:24] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] fire|bird: yeah, my canon has a lot of manual settings as well. i like it. [01:25] antler: ever tried CHDK, if it supports it? [01:26] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.7.249) joined ##slackware. [01:27] despite being in the netdev group, wicd still throws access denied errors. [01:27] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] eviljames, did you reboot or restart dbus/hal/udev/wicd ? [01:27] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [01:27] bloody hell. thx. [01:27] i found that i could not get it to work until i added the user to the group and rebooted (but it's probably one of those services that need to be restarted) [01:28] fire|bird: i don't know what that is [01:28] fire|bird: it's old; so it might not support that [01:29] http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK [01:29] note to self: restarting messagebus in the middle of kde4 session causes spectacular crash. [01:29] antler: it's supported [01:29] C4ntu (n=action-Z@201-41-198-223.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [01:29] eviljames: fireworks too? [01:29] fire|bird: oh hey that's pretty cool [01:29] complete session destruction-style fireworks [01:30] antler: and it's supported for yours too. [01:30] fire|bird: i might give that a try :D [01:30] eviljames: ouch [01:30] but, upon login wicd works. [01:30] eviljames, HAHAHA [01:30] antler: great. [01:30] fire|bird: thanks :) [01:30] yw [01:31] i added user to netdev and only after system reboot did wicd-client successfully start. [01:31] well you'd think that telinit 1 and then wait 5 minutes and telinit 3 would fix it but oh well [01:32] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:32] [|HuGO|] (i=H@12-162-20-190.adsl.terra.cl) left ##slackware. [01:32] takes 15 seconds to boot so I just did that [01:33] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:33] mrselfpwn: it appears that dbus needs to know you're in that group as well. [01:33] yep [01:34] so /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus restart [01:34] cool, good to know [01:34] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-192-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:35] interesting - lilo -V =22.8 but lilo -T returns with "Lilo version 22.5.1 or later would provide requested information ..." [01:36] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:36] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:36] what about -T help [01:37] hi [01:37] gives a nice list of help options that return "The information you requested is not available." with the extra par. about versions >22.5.1 [01:37] hmm [01:37] ls /var/log/packages/lilo* ? [01:38] hahah great.. looks like someone lapsed on their documentation duty [01:38] on an unrelated bootloader note, if you try to dual boot opensolaris, you cannot use ext4. [01:38] mrselfpwn: slackware64-current rc1 : /var/log/packages/lilo-22.8-x86_64-14 [01:39] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:39] fwiw, I cannot reproduce. [01:39] eviljames: probably not running on a silicon mechanics server either :) [01:39] heh, no. [01:40] hmm [01:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:40] lol, have you tried liloconfig ? [01:40] and hmm again [01:40] alisonken1church: Hey uhh I'm around lol [01:40] Dominian: cheers [01:41] mrselfpwn: when I installed the dvd, yes [01:41] alisonken1church: did you need any help that morning? [01:41] not really help - just looking at a possibility about slackware backup server [01:41] ah [01:42] Dominian: although, still trying to get a silicon mechanics server to boot slackware64-current rc1 [01:42] maybe try it again after backing up your current lilo.conf ? [01:42] ahhh [01:42] mrselfpwn: tried several times, including -H -P options [01:42] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.123.115) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:42] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] fire|bird: man, i was always under the impression that samba was really difficult to set up. [01:43] Dominian: lilo config: http://pastebin.ca/1491498 lilo command: http://pastebin.ca/1491497 [01:44] lilo error: "L 99" [01:44] doh [01:44] boots fine from the dvd [01:44] append=" vt.default_utf8=0" [01:44] is that needed? [01:45] option to kernel to use standard latin-1 charset rather than urf charset [01:45] you did install to mbr and not sda1 ? [01:45] boot = /dev/sda [01:46] antler: and you've found out differently? [01:46] line 3 in pastebin [01:46] Hey Dominian [01:46] yes, didn't know if you changed that [01:46] sup [01:46] not alot, how about you? [01:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] fire|bird: yeah, definitely. it was as easy as setting up a wireless connection via wicd. [01:47] antler: nice [01:49] fire|bird: workin' on my linode [01:49] Dominian: cool. [01:52] Ken [01:52] does it not boot at all? [01:52] i only see 2 warnings in your pastebin [01:53] slKIvs (n=ivan@41.72.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [01:54] mrselfpwn: "L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99" if I boot from the raid device - boots fine from dvd (I know, but the bios says it's a raid device in the bios boot menu) [01:54] skateboarding fail: http://imgur.com/8ppWN.gif [01:54] dvd is /dev/hdb [01:54] first sata drive is /dev/sda [01:54] daidoji (n=daidoji7@c-24-20-216-14.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: [01:55] daidoji (n=daidoji7@c-24-20-216-14.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] have you tried boot = /dev/sda1 ? [01:56] i don't know why it would say it's raid. [01:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:57] mrselfpwn: bios reports from the serverworks serial ata from the broadcomm chip [01:57] i see [01:57] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:59] hey guess what alisonken [01:59] antler: you've discovered flux's tabs as well? [02:00] mine works [02:00] haha [02:01] fire|bird: probably not. how does it work? [02:01] mrselfpwn: same thing [02:01] ;P just joking with you [02:01] mrselfpwn: mine works on the lenovo, just not the silicon mechanics server [02:01] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:01] :) [02:01] actually i'm using a lenovo right now [02:02] though not 64 [02:02] antler: for example, open a couple terminals, middle-click on one and drag it to the other terminal. The title bar of the window now shows both, i.e. tabs. :) [02:04] fire|bird: middle-click, as in it click and hold wheel? doesn't do anything here... rxvt and terminal [02:04] antler: Hmm, it should. and yes, click and hold the wheel. [02:05] clicking and holding (for me) is like hitting Enter in terminal [02:06] antler: have a line like this in ~/.fluxbox/init? session.screen0.tabs.intitlebar: true [02:06] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-51.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] and, session.tabs: true [02:06] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-176.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] fire|bird: yes to the first [02:07] and [02:07] have you tried changing the boot order in the bios? [02:07] i see that /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are both showing as bios drive 0x80 [02:07] though [02:07] # [02:07] Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.5 [02:07] #Device 0x0801: BIOS drive 0x80, 255 heads, 25665 cylinders [02:07] would correlate to /dev/sdb right? [02:07] so what if you set boot = /dev/sdb ? [02:08] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [02:08] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [02:08] fire|bird: ok i just added session.tab: true [02:08] dced [02:08] mrselfpwn: interestig [02:08] did you get my last messages? [02:09] antler: ok, now, in the flux menu, find the entry that has to do with reconfig and click it. [02:09] fire|bird: oh, i see. yeah, tabs work [02:09] i didn't know about it until you told me [02:09] mrselfpwn: that's what's interesting [02:09] antler: :) [02:09] how so? [02:09] fire|bird: that's sure convenient and clean. thanks :) [02:10] antler: yw [02:10] your observation about sda and sdb being listed as the same drive [02:10] yes [02:11] mrselfpwn: Warning: The boot sector and map file are on different disks. [02:11] using sdb as the boot drive [02:11] fire|bird: i was an idiot; i middle-clicked the terminal itself and not the window border :| [02:11] antler: haha [02:12] I probably could have explained that better, sorry. :P [02:13] fire|bird: oh that's too cool. one ff and a few terminals.... all tabbed :D [02:13] antler: nice. :) [02:13] antler: It sure cleans things up. [02:14] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-131-17.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:14] fire|bird: totally [02:17] Dominian: The info was predicated on getting slack64 to boot on one of these servers :) [02:19] yah [02:20] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:20] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [02:20] wheeee [02:20] what's up, slackers? [02:20] bored [02:21] Fed up [02:21] Urchlay: still trying to get a silicon mechanics server to boot [02:21] Ken, what if you disconnect sdb and run liloconfig? [02:21] if it works, what happens to the second drive? :) ok, trying it now [02:22] silicon mechanics... don't think I've ever heard of it. Not related to silicon graphics I suppose? [02:24] Urchlay: not even close [02:25] yah, I figured not [02:26] One would think that when ati finds a bug in catalyst 8.2, they would fix it before 9.6? I knew I should have bought nvidia [02:27] plee2: proprietary drivers are a pain, no matter which set of them you're dealing with [02:27] Urchlay: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i14740/Quad-Core-Xeon.php <- dual-core version of this [02:27] also, don't know if it helps much though there is the append option from = /dev/ [02:27] ivan8013 (n=ivan@41.72.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [02:28] i've never worked with raid though so, take it at face value [02:29] Urchlay, yeah, but whenever I have use nvidia, it has worked as it should, but now I have a radeon hd3200, and the only resolution I can use is 1920x1080 and it doesn't scale as it should, so I get a frame around the X "image". As a virtual window that is too small for the actual display [02:29] interesting enough i'm watching something on discovery health about having 2 sets of dna in one person [02:30] "being your own twin" [02:30] mrselfpwn: one set is just commented-out code? [02:30] lol [02:30] no apparently not [02:30] weird [02:30] i have no idea [02:30] half-way paying attention [02:31] slKIvs (n=ivan@41.72.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics) [02:33] chimerism [02:34] plee2: I sometimes have the opposite problem: I use a widescreen monitor, and when running a fullscreen 1024x768 or 800x600 or whatever app/game, I want black bars on the sides (so the aspect ratio will be correct), but never figured out a way to make the nvidia driver and/or xorg do it [02:34] I could send you mine.. hehe [02:36] Urchlay, if it had been my desktop, I would have used the radeon/radeonhd opensource drivers, but since it's my htpc and I need opengl to get xbmc to work it gets kinda frustrating [02:37] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-232-49.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [02:37] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-64-234.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [02:37] yuck [02:38] mrselfpwn: that is bizarre. Someone whose left eye is genetically different from the right eye, or whatever... [02:38] yeah [02:40] wonder if it effect thought process [02:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:42] basically [02:42] Urchlay: Soo close man. Turns out i have to rebuild the bbs with dosemu support... and i am stuck there currently. [02:42] this lady on tv had a kid, and was witnessed having the baby, though the dna showed her as not being the mother. [02:42] agentc0re: are you still running slamd? [02:42] antler: yup. [02:42] antler: when 13 officially is released, i'll move then. [02:43] mrselfpwn: I suspect the whole brain has to be from the same set of DNA... seems like it'd just fail otherwise [02:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "I'm leaving" [02:43] agentc0re, are you having probs with dosemu? [02:43] What will become of the slamd people? [02:43] agentc0re: well, we know there'll be a slackbuild for vlc :D [02:43] agentc0re: hmmm, won't compile, or just haven't gotten around to finishing it up? [02:43] mrselfpwn: no, with the bbs software. I've figured out my dosemu problems finally. took me a bit to figure out how it worked. [02:45] when i first compiled the bbs i ran, "make RELEASE=1". in order to compile in dosemu support you add "USE_DOSEMU=1" but when i add both on the same line, it says there is nothing to do when it traverses all through the directories. [02:45] ah, i ask because my dosemu has been crashing on me since i updated my kernel [02:46] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:46] i can run either flag separately and it compiles. However the "RELEASE=1" is preferred because then it doesn't build larger, debug binaries/libs etc. [02:47] so what was you solution? [02:47] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [02:47] fire|bird: you switched to flux, right? :P [02:47] agentc0re: you run "make clean" before re-running make with different flags? [02:47] antler: yes. :) [02:47] yup, ran make clean too. [02:47] WAIT! [02:47] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.78) left irc: Client Quit [02:48] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:48] well the fertilized egg fuses in the womb [02:48] when i run make clean, it only deletes things it made for debug but not release. [02:48] so "make clean RELEASE=1"? [02:48] antler: how'd you know? :P [02:48] probably a bad make file tbh. I wonder if i just started over when a new download if that'd make it easier. [02:48] Urchlay: good idea, let me try that. [02:48] or rm -rf the whole source directory and start over from scratch with "make RELEASE=1 USE_DOSEMU=1" [02:49] that cleaned it [02:49] fire|bird: see that clown doll you have in the east corner of your room? look closely at its left eye. [02:49] agentc0re: it sounds like at least a thinko on the Makefile author's part [02:50] Action: fire|bird smashes the clown with a sledgehammer. buh bye Mr. LaughsAlot. :( [02:50] Action: antler loses signal. [02:50] antler: you sneaky little........ :) [02:50] Probably. Glad i said something. give me a few minutes and LORD will probably be working. that was the only missing part was dosemu support in the bbs software. [02:50] anyone mind taking a look at my crash log for dosemu? http://pastebin.com/da0fff73 [02:51] mrselfpwn: Oh i used aliens build for dosemu too, not the SBo. [02:51] yes, i am using alien's [02:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [02:52] i took out some virtualization stuff from the kernel when i updated to .30 though nothing that I think would effect dosemu [02:52] have you tried a recompile of dosemu? [02:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:52] no i have not [02:52] that was my next step [02:52] start there. [02:53] it was saying dosemu.bin taints G or something similiar [02:54] Urchlay: HAHA woot! [02:54] grats [02:54] LORD works? [02:54] yup [02:54] now we'll see if multi node works when you connect. [02:55] hm. Too bad I don't still have my old Van Halen or Journey records to listen to while playing it :) [02:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:55] LOADING THE REALM... [02:55] I remember that used to sometimes take a while... [02:55] which server do you guys play on? [02:56] mrselfpwn: i just build the bbs yesterday when we were walking down memory lane. [02:56] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:56] haha [02:56] i see [02:56] i play, but my server has been up lately. :/ [02:56] i'm still testing some things out. once it's ready, i'll tell everyone about it in here though. [02:57] haha Lord Spatulus? [02:57] yup [02:57] aight [02:57] damned if I remember how to build up a newb character [02:58] high levels give you gold [02:59] ah, the Inn.. "You smile as the well-rounded Violet brushes by you.... [02:59] Kenny_Duehit (n=Kenny_Du@CPE0015e9698772-CM001ac316ac14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] lol [02:59] she's mine! [02:59] back off [02:59] i already got a kiss [02:59] :) [02:59] haha [03:00] mrselfpwn: already got a kiss eh? prove it. :) [03:00] dammit, you sucker-punched me or somthine [03:00] lol [03:00] Oh wait... can you not play now that you are dead? [03:00] " You have been defeated on your way to glory. The road to success [03:00] is long and hard. You have encountered a minor setback." [03:01] nothing like a sucker punch to get your attention :) [03:01] ugh, won't let me create a new character... is there a maximum deaths/day sysop setting, or is it always 1? [03:01] no you have to wait until tomorrow if you die [03:02] atleast on the ones i play [03:02] that might be the shortest amount of time I ever spent playing that game... [03:02] let me revive you... i think i can do that. [03:03] Vivarin! [03:03] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-69-128.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:03] when installing slack (lilo) it says unable to video adapter in present system. video adapter does not support VESA BIOS extentions for 256 color and that it will fall back to TEXT only loader.....then Fatal first sector of /dev/sda4 doesn't have a valid boot signature.... but boot sda4 is my ntfs section...I'm going to try to push through the error, but in the past they system has refused to boot, due to [03:04] hmmm, that looked smaller in my chat box, i swear :P [03:04] anyone had problems with new xorg and -ignoreABI parameter _ [03:04] Urchlay: damn it, i can't save the config unless i have a registered copy of LORD. Quick, find me a key for 4.06 [03:04] lol [03:04] ehhh [03:05] if you were on ubuntu you could probably apt-get it :P [03:05] if I ever had LORD keys/cracks, it was back when a 100 meg hard drive was considered big... [03:05] haha, probably. [03:06] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:06] Hmm, quassel (irc) doesn't look nearly as nice in flux. [03:06] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [03:06] Kenny_Duehit: for the first error/warning (about the VESA BIOS), you can stick "vga=normal" in lilo.conf instead of vga=whatever's already there. But that's probably not what's causing your real problem... [03:06] AnonRednek|out (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit. [03:06] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) got netsplit. [03:06] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) got netsplit. [03:06] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) got netsplit. 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[03:09] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:09] Urchlay: yes [03:09] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Nick change: reallove -> Guest57685 [03:09] CaptObvi1usman (n=The_Capt@antimatter.interrobanger.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] you know what. I forgot to choose a bootable partition.....urg! could this have anything to do with that? [03:10] AnonRednek|out (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:10] Kenny_Duehit: quite likely [03:10] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:10] Urchlay: did you get my last post? [03:10] antler: apparently not [03:10] damn, and if I write that to the partition table i gotta reinstall it all again. hahaha [03:10] FAIL [03:11] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [03:11] Action: Kenny_Duehit learns a lesson today. [03:11] Kenny_Duehit: wait, did you tell it to install LILO to the MBR, or to the boot record of the bootable partition? In the MBR case, you don't even need to mark a partition bootable in fdisk/cfdisk [03:11] Urchlay: seen the watchmen movie? good chance that someone with no prior watchmen knowledge would like it? [03:12] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "I'm leaving" [03:12] (although I can't remember what the downside is, to installing LILO in the MBR. Anyone?) [03:12] MBR :( [03:12] nope agentc0re. still the same segfault from SBo [03:12] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:12] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-69-128.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [03:12] must be something in the kernel i disabled [03:13] antler: yeah, movie's good, I took some people to see it who'd never heard of the comic and they pretty much got the point, and enjoyed it. [03:13] Urchlay: ok [03:13] wow, I've sure got urxvt fonts looking excellent. :) for me anyway. [03:13] Kenny_Duehit: if you installed LILO on the MBR, you shouldn't have to set any partition to be bootable... [03:14] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [03:14] well too late....I jumped the gun and am going to try this all again....I wanna get it right... [03:14] heh [03:14] :D [03:14] end of strace from dosemu [03:14] http://pastebin.com/d7dc8407b [03:14] campassi (n=linko47@pluto.cse.msstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [03:14] well at least you'll be able to rip through the parts of the install that you got right, last time [03:15] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-69-128.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:15] mrselfpwn: strace? [03:15] that doesn't look like an strace... [03:15] no [03:15] it's just the end [03:16] "This is the end, my only friend, the end..." [03:16] have a look at this if you don't mind [03:16] frank sinatra? [03:17] wish I had even the slightest idea what to tell you. That dosemu binary, you compiled it yourself, and if so, have you upgraded the kernel since then? [03:17] this is the tail end of dmesg [03:17] antler: Sinatra covering the Doors, there's a concept... [03:17] http://pastebin.com/d41b9eca5 [03:17] i built it from SBo [03:17] it worked before i upgraded my kernel [03:17] to .30 [03:17] hahaha... oh, the doors :D [03:18] general protection fault: 0000 [#3] SMP <--- that's a very windows-like error message :) [03:18] i did remove some virtualization stuff from the kernel though nothing that i could think would cause it [03:18] mrselfpwn: tried recompiling dosemu against the new kernel headers? [03:18] i just compiled the SBo about 5 minutes ago [03:19] or searching to see if other people have problems with dosemu on 2.6.30? (I'm on 2.6.29.something, no experience there...) [03:19] antler: although Morrison did have his lounge-lizard moments [03:19] i have though i guess i can again [03:19] notice the [03:19] Pid: 14986, comm: dosemu.bin Tainted: G D (2.6.30-smp #10) Lenovo [03:19] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Connection timed out [03:20] k i wanna do this right this time.....if lilo is having trouble with my laptops graphics card, How should I choose to install it? [03:20] yeah... I dunno what "tainted" means there, maybe that's a good thing for you to find out? [03:20] NOT the MBR? [03:20] which version of xorg is in slackware 12.2? [03:21] Kenny_Duehit: that's a lilo option, not a graphics problem [03:21] Kenny_Duehit: if it's having trouble with the graphics card, changing the location where you install it isn't going to fix it... [03:21] will anything fix it? [03:22] well Urchlay [03:22] Kenny_Duehit: possibly using "expert lilo config". I really don't use the installer often enough to know how to use that though... [03:22] apparently it is the 2.6.30 kernel [03:22] i need to get .31 to fix it according to some arch linux users [03:22] the problem is the graphics card probably does not support vga bios modes. the way to check is try different options, or use "vga=norma" to boot to text mode [03:23] sorry - "vga=normal" [03:23] Urchlay: I'm no expert but I'll give it a shot...I have nothing to lose and everything to gain. :P [03:23] alisonken1church: actually the problem isn't "vga=", it's the stupid graphic logo LILO displays these days. I forget how to turn that off. [03:23] init[1] (i=1000@116.68.96.193) joined ##slackware. [03:23] o/ all [03:24] Urchlay: make sure that the lilo.conf does not point to the *.bmp file for it's menu [03:24] o/ init[1] [03:24] (heh, I just noticed I have no /etc/lilo.conf on this install! It's on /mnt/oldroot) [03:24] what's wrong with pointing lilo to a bmp file? [03:24] fire|bird: there sm problem with my iptables .. i can't figure that out, i can't dcc with irc aswell as i can't send file using jabber , unless i disable my firewall [03:25] mrselfpwn: he has no VESA BIOS, so LILO can't display the bitmap [03:25] init[1]: Hmm, that's odd. [03:25] aye [03:25] i get it now [03:26] well, of to rebuild my kernel.... again [03:26] fire|bird: can i try dcc to you [03:26] LILO, LILO, it's off to boot we go... (imagine the 7 dwarves singing that...) [03:26] lilo said it was going do default to text only....but I also forgot to choose a bootable partition...so it didn't know where to look.....i think [03:26] init[1]: sure [03:26] Urchlay: lol [03:26] i can [03:27] Urchlay: what does that mean? [03:27] init[1]: that worked. [03:27] omg i have disabled fw [03:27] oops [03:27] 1 sce [03:27] Channel flood from init[1] -- kicking [03:27] sec [03:27] init[1] kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:27] hahahahaha [03:27] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [03:27] antler: what, the 7 dwarves silliness? in the movie "snow white", don't they sing "Hi-ho, it's off to work we go"? [03:28] init[1]: don't use enter as a space. ;) [03:28] (I pronounce LILO with a long I so it rhymes...) [03:28] :( bad boy slackboy [03:28] can you name all 7? [03:28] i can only remember sleepy and dopey.... [03:29] fire|bird: i have offered one [03:29] sleepy, dopey, groucho, harpo, zeppo, john, paul, george, ringo, and sometimes Y? [03:29] init[1]: that fails. [03:29] hahaha [03:29] must be a firewall rule [03:29] Urchlay: hehe [03:29] don't forget mini-me [03:30] fire|bird: any idea .. iptables atimes is bit confusing [03:30] right, and the creepy midget guy from "Carnivale" [03:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:30] wow, my boot time has gotten drastically slower. It used to be 28, now, it's 44. :( [03:30] well, i'll just wait for .31 to be released. i'm not gonna stress over dosemu [03:30] init[1]: no, sorry, I have no idea. [03:30] Urchlay: =-O [03:30] np [03:32] mrselfpwn: had you said earlier, your boot was 15 sec? How the heck did you achieve that? [03:32] by editing my rc.M [03:33] mrselfpwn: Hmm, any tips, pointers? [03:33] linux kernel 2.6.30 also add the fastboot feature [03:33] I can't use 2.6.30, my nvidia driver won't work with it at all. [03:33] ah [03:34] well, tbh, I don't absolutely need the nvidia driver, but I like using google earth. :) [03:34] well [03:34] mrselfpwn: what all did you take out of rc.M ? [03:34] one good way to speed up is to use a file by old_fogie [03:35] there are some things that run every boot that don't need to [03:35] which file is that? [03:35] only if you install new programs or fonts [03:35] i'll pastebin it [03:35] btw, I use XFS, if that makes a difference. [03:35] just put it in /etc/rc.d/rc.gtk-stuff [03:35] ok [03:35] you can name it that [03:36] look at what it does [03:36] and go into your rc.M and comment out all the things that it does [03:36] ok [03:36] andyL (n=andy@204.188.174.189) joined ##slackware. [03:36] hello [03:37] hi [03:37] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Connection timed out [03:37] Hmm, thinking about it, when I had the faster boot time, I was running a custom kernel, I'm sure that had something to do with it as well. Now I'm on stock current with hugesmp kernel. [03:37] http://pastebin.com/m260ccec4 [03:37] yes, i also have a custom kernel [03:37] hello [03:38] mrselfpwn: I may look into building .30 again. [03:38] just search your rc.M for those commands and comment them out [03:38] then run /etc/rc.d/rc.gtk-stuff whenever you install new stuff upgrade your fonts or mess with .desktop files [03:39] fire|bird: have a look at the other rc files as well [03:39] yes [03:39] ok, sweet. thank you. [03:39] i would like to know if it is a big mistake for someone to install a linux distribution and run it and develop for it instead of following the majority and develop soley for windows [03:39] ah ha, there's a new nvidia driver for my card too, I bet I can use .30 now and have the nvidia driver. [03:40] I won't build the new kernel tonight, it's already 02:39. [03:40] bleah, almost 4AM here [03:40] you know you want to build it :P [03:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:40] andyL, I would say, develop for linux and open source. :) [03:41] like if you know you don't need pcmcia, you can take out the scan for that in rc.M [03:41] I do believe I must pass out... night all [03:41] or if you don't need support for LUNS [03:41] Also, is it better to use generic config or hugesmp config for custom built? I always used hugesmp, but I had read in changes and hints that it's good to use generic or something? [03:41] antler: yes, yes I do, but it's too late. [03:41] night Urchlay [03:42] when i first started slimming my kernel i started with whatever is default. [03:43] Get the kernel up and running, then start to tweak it, with your needs and wants :) [03:43] Eastern Standard for the win! [03:43] fire|bird: i read something like that, too. i have no idea why it'd be better to use generic. [03:43] fire|bird: im trying it again :) [03:43] init[1]: ok [03:43] now ! [03:43] antler: me either, but it's in changes and hints, has to be some reason [03:44] init[1]: nope, no dice. [03:44] some reason is not necessarily a good reason [03:44] true [03:44] :( [03:44] for one if you have a core2 or whatever you can specify exactly your arch in the kernel [03:45] antler: guess well have to wait until someone's around who's knowledgable about it that can explain it to us. :) [03:45] plee2:ok its not that i hate windows its that the people i know don't use linux [03:45] mrselfpwn: yeah, it's just a P4 here, and I do specify that in the kernel config, and I also take out of the kernel what I know I dare, and make stuff modules, etc. [03:45] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [03:45] fire|bird: doesn't it boil down to initrd or no initrd? [03:46] that is the next thing i need to do [03:46] antler: probably, yes. [03:46] will making myself an initrd speed up my boot? [03:46] mrselfpwn: how do you decide if it will or not? [03:46] andyL, :) I don't hate windows either. You could make it a crossplatform [03:47] i have heard that initrd speeds up boot time [03:47] antler: Use one of the provided generic kernels for daily use. Do not report bugs until/unless you have reproduced them using one of the stock generic kernels. [03:47] from changes and hints ^^^^ [03:47] i don't know enough about it though. i know that it loads a ram0 dev [03:47] and loads things into that [03:47] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-232-49.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: "Leaving" [03:49] anyone know if expresscard slot considered pcmcia? [03:49] Nick change: CaptObvi1usman -> CaptObviousman [03:49] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [03:50] doesn't matter lol. not using at the moment so i will disable the search in rc.M [03:51] mrselfpwn, the only way I can see that an initrd speeds up boot, is because the kernel is smaller and the needed modules to get the kernel up are loaded by the initrd [03:52] right [03:52] i'll have to do some research [03:52] mrselfpwn, But as the huge kernel, has alot built in, so it's bigger and need more loading to get it all in [03:52] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p3EE38EC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:53] fire|bird: well, that's certainly a reason :P [03:53] antler: yeah [03:53] mrselfpwn: ok, got rc.M edited. [03:54] nice [03:55] that will know off quite a few seconds there [03:55] s/know/knock [03:55] just remember to run it after updates and what not [03:55] How do I extract Audio from a WMV file and convert it to mp3 to play on ipod? [03:55] Are there any tools to do the extraction and conversion? [03:56] if you don't need LUNS support you can comment that out also [03:56] and if you don't have pcmcia [03:56] xsamurai (n=sox@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] mrselfpwn: yeah, I commented out pcmcia and LUNS [03:57] whens the expected release date for slackware 13 ? [03:57] nice [03:57] fire|bird, and if you use wifi alot, but use wired sometimes and the dhcp server is speedy enough you could set the dhcp timeout down to 2 sec for instance [03:57] xsamurai: when it's ready. We don't know a date. [03:57] plee2: I don't have wifi at all. :P [03:57] ok :) [03:58] xsamurai: however, -current is rc1 now, so, maybe in the not so distant future, who knows. [03:58] mrselfpwn: tomorrow I'll build .30 as well. :) [03:58] yes, it really *is* much faster [03:59] mrselfpwn: awesome [03:59] it loads devices in parallel [03:59] xsamurai: release is planned on Stardate 1.33.7 [03:59] 2.6.30.* caused may issues with the nvidia prop. drivers [03:59] if you don't use LVM you can remove that from rc.S [04:00] antiwire: I notice for mine, there's a new version of the nvidia driver. I'll give it a try tomorrow. [04:00] mrselfpwn: nope, don't use that. [04:01] anyone mind if I swear? [04:01] mrselfpwn: FF, someday, is going to get multiprocess, as in, each tab is it's own process. It's in the works but a ways away. [04:01] that will be great. [04:01] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.15) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:01] yeah [04:01] that will be [04:02] they plan on releasing nightlies with it, but who knows how that will be to begin with. [04:02] I have an sd-card reader and it would be awesome if I could use that as where the key-file for encrypted partitions are [04:04] speaking of encryption i think i can disable cryptsetup stuff in rc.S as i don't have encrypted hard drives [04:06] mrselfpwn: I would think you could. [04:06] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.77.224) joined ##slackware. [04:06] yes [04:07] mrselfpwn: do you use initrd and generic or what? [04:09] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [04:09] xsamurai (n=sox@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [04:10] not sure [04:11] not by default [04:11] you have to create one [04:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-131-17.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [04:11] are you on an smp kernel ? [04:11] YEA!!!! i got my laptop up and running! [04:11] Action: Kenny_Duehit does a party dance [04:11] mrselfpwn: yeah, hugesmp [04:11] congrats [04:12] ah [04:12] plee2: thx, I'm sure you'd call it easy work...but It took me a while and I learned a many thing along the way [04:12] smp simply means multiply processor support [04:12] if you didn't know [04:13] multiple* [04:13] Kenny_Duehit, I have my struggles too :) [04:13] mrselfpwn: yeah, my processor is hyper threaded. :P [04:13] same here [04:13] not that that makes a huge difference. :P [04:14] Ekc (n=iskar@78.128.55.9) joined ##slackware. [04:15] Kenny_Duehit (n=Kenny_Du@CPE0015e9698772-CM001ac316ac14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "laptop installed, time to call it a day and hit the hay" [04:15] lol [04:15] yeah really [04:15] Well, it's 03:14 here. I have to be going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:15] okay i'm gonna reboot check my time [04:16] okay, later fire|bird [04:16] take care [04:16] mrselfpwn: thanks, you too. 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[04:34] Thursap: ( In a Jim Carey voice ) Awwwwwww COme On! [04:35] Thursap: /etc/rc.d/rc.local or /etc/rc.local [04:36] well, depends on the app and where you want auto-start to start, I guess [04:36] hell no man , kde has it' s own autostart i assume. if it doesn't ( i dont use it ) then i would not believe it [04:37] well, it does, but I wasnt sure what he was talking about [04:37] check this site http://lmgtfy.com [04:37] your supposed to give him a link so he sees the video [04:38] "was that so hard?" [04:38] hehe [04:38] me fail [04:38] have you seen the video? [04:38] yeah i forgot [04:38] ah [04:38] i just woke up from a crazy dream and am sleep y headed [04:38] I had a dream about george bush once, I shot him [04:38] heh [04:40] but stealth has a point too.. if you are talking about starting a "system type service" then use rc.local. but i doubt you are talking about that. you prolly want to swtart something like gkrellm/terminal or WuTEvaH [04:41] although most the most comon system services already have a rc script [04:41] common* [04:41] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.112.55) left irc: "leaving" [04:41] and that was slackware/kde autostart-101 intro [04:42] don't even know why i responded to that. we are too nice sometimes. [04:43] heh [04:44] stealth-: i *think* sshd or ssh has a way to turn off system bell beeps IIRC. if not you can load the pcspkr module which will turn all system beeps off [04:46] sattam (n=sattam@unaffiliated/sattam) joined ##slackware. [04:46] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [04:46] sattam (n=sattam@unaffiliated/sattam) left ##slackware ("bye"). [04:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-176.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-92.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:51] binary (n=binary@5e0190bf.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [04:54] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:55] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:56] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.115.104.157) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Hey people! [04:57] I was wondering if anyone here has had much luck building KDE3.5.10 from source? [04:57] why do that? slackware already has kde built for you. [04:57] do have a custom kde? [04:58] :P [04:58] *to [04:58] A more minimal KDE, tbh. [04:58] Like, KDE itself, even if you select hte packages by hand, [04:58] comes with so much stuff I do not need. [04:58] you could always build it yourself by using the SlackBuild scripts and changing versions/switches accordingly [04:58] dtanner: nah, dont want them all off, i've been googling for a while, but to no avial :( [04:58] I want to have KDE, a few of their utilities and nothing else :P [04:59] rebuild it using the stock Slackbuild scripts elderK [04:59] change what you want [04:59] aye. [04:59] btw people, [04:59] how's 2.6.30? [05:00] dunno yet, still on 2.6.29.4 here [05:00] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.154.238.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:01] In top etc. My load averages never goes below 7.00 [05:01] so when you ssh into remote box you do not want to hear the beeps locally stealth- ? [05:01] yet the system is very responsive... [05:02] any ideas? [05:02] no kde slackbuild? [05:02] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.70.13) joined ##slackware. [05:03] elderK: yes. look in source/ [05:03] on disc 2? [05:03] or disc 3? [05:03] 12_2 [05:03] cant remember [05:03] hm [05:03] Well, we will see soon enough :) [05:06] dtanner: yeah, I want to hear them on the server. I am setting up irssi on my server, which runs constantly, but my main system doesnt. I want to be able to hear the beeps of the irssi client on my server when my main machine is offline [05:09] :P Anyone here use Dropline Gome? [05:10] lmfao ppl still use that [05:10] okay, [05:10] anyone here use GSB? [05:10] maybe LSD [05:10] ;) [05:10] i use gware elderK [05:11] What version of Slackware/ [05:11] 12.2 [05:11] Sweet, they have a release for 12.2? [05:11] yes we do [05:11] :D SWEET [05:11] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [05:12] how does it run, dtanner ? [05:12] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Like, what are your impressions? :) [05:13] Fill me in, man! [05:13] :) [05:13] Is it friendly to a reasonably minimal install of Slackware? [05:13] brb, need smokes. [05:13] :) [05:13] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [05:13] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:13] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [05:13] elderK (n=elderK@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:15] delt0r___: top will tell you what procs are eating the most cpu/mem [05:16] elderK: gware is built against a full slackware install ( of course it doesn't require/depend-on *everything* on a full slackware install ) [05:17] elderK: it runs very well. [05:17] i have it running now with tons of apps open and my system load and mem usage is as such ... [05:18] load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [05:19] total used free shared buffers cached [05:19] Mem: 2909 2446 462 0 612 748 [05:19] -/+ buffers/cache: 1085 1823 [05:19] Channel flood from dtanner -- kicking [05:19] Swap: 1051 0 1051 [05:19] dtanner kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:19] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [05:20] bah [05:20] sorry [05:20] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [05:20] man i can't believe a dream woke me up... i was sleeping good [05:21] shame on you [05:22] Action: dtanner hides in shame [05:22] hello nix_chix0r , how are you tonight? [05:23] dtanner: tonight? [05:23] dtanner: Nothing. cpu 99.9% idle [05:23] for her and I yes [05:23] dtanner: ahh, fair enough :) [05:24] dtanner: what time is it where you are? [05:24] thats the thing... I never goes below 7 as if there is some constant stuck there somewhere... [05:24] 4:33 am ( give or take 5 minutes as I am not syncing to a time server ) [05:25] dtanner: fair enough :) [05:25] not bad [05:25] got home from the gym hour ago [05:25] at the gym in the wee hours of the morning? [05:25] i like going when no one is there [05:25] i see [05:26] i have to start exercising more myself [05:26] i want a bicycle ( not an exercise bike ... a real bike ) [05:26] i've lost 16 pounds past month [05:27] well, you know what i mean. [05:27] nice [05:27] i can almost squat 150 it's been a long time since i've gone to the gym [05:27] i have lost .. lets see... [05:27] i was 245 two months ago and am now 215. so 30 pounds in two months. [05:28] i'm finally below my pre baby weight [05:29] delt0r___: well something is keeping you at 7.00. top doesn't show anything obvious? [05:29] only by 3 pounds below it but, he's not even 4months yet [05:29] pretty good nix_chix0r [05:29] not gona be those women who let themselves go [05:30] what a woman! [05:31] draeath (n=pbransfo@215-137.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:31] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:31] Well, i just now realized i need to run some 32-bit stuff, and i have slackware64-current [05:32] is there a 'proper' way to do this? (slamd64 it would just work, debian would require ia32-libs, etc) - so 32-bit libraries [05:34] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.7) joined ##slackware. [05:34] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] not sure exactly what all 32bit apps will work, but I can say they work for skype ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/ [05:35] well i just tried to put crossover on, and that blew up, expecting a 32-bit sdl among others [05:37] nix_chix0r: :) Good work. [05:37] nix_chix0r: Just, make sure you do it all healthy-like. [05:37] :) [05:37] I had a sister who kind of... wound up trapped in it all. [05:37] :( [05:37] wrong channel? [05:37] btw, dtanner, is there a way for me to customize what GWARE installs? [05:37] Nafaik draeath [05:37] :) [05:38] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [05:39] hello chopp [05:39] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:39] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) left irc: "leaving" [05:40] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:40] dtanner: :) Is GWARE like, a minimal GNOMEish install?Like, sans all hte useless crap?:P [05:41] elderK, oh i know, i'm just trying to get toned up again. [05:41] dtanner: hey, how goes the battle? :) [05:41] i dont thing gware is "minimal".. it does, among other things, convert your system to PAM [05:41] :) Okay nix_chix0r. Btw, sorry if I came across... well, weird. It's just, the idea of what my sister went through just, it's sad. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. [05:42] Well, I'd just be happy to have GNOME without 90% crap. [05:42] :P [05:42] You know? [05:42] elderK: it is not trimmed down to the bare minimum to run gnome. but is probably the leanest gnome for slackware. just don't install the apps you do not want but don't come bitchin if you break something. =) [05:42] I mean, everything these days comes with SO much useless bloat. [05:42] well shit why not just run xfce4 i realy like that [05:42] elderK: i dont think that is possible.. it is called "dependencies" :P [05:42] Action: elderK shudders [05:42] elderK: you best bet is probably XFCE [05:42] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [05:43] Well, aye. XFCE isn't bad. [05:43] I just miss GNOME a little. [05:43] I haven't touched it since 2.16 [05:43] elderK: if you are that worried about it run TWM and be done, or don't use a GUI at all! [05:43] personally i like KDE a lot.. but i have the machine power to pull it nice and smooth [05:43] :P Been there, done that. [05:43] VTWM ^_^ [05:43] KDE3.5.10 wasn't /bad/. Just, like GNOME, it comes wiht a lot of crap that I never use :P [05:44] as long as it doesnt start up all that crap, what do you care? [05:44] Pidgin, Evince, Firefox, Gvim, Gimp and a Terminal. [05:44] and i'd be reasonably happy. [05:44] Just, exploring everything via ls gets a little tiring sometimes. [05:44] macavity: No idea, just do. [05:44] lol [05:44] so it is a mania? [05:44] :P Call me old fashioned. [05:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:45] i always do a full install anyway [05:45] spose it could be considered one. [05:45] :O [05:45] Why in gods name? :P [05:45] (Its rich of me to talk like this, considering right now, I'm running on OSX) [05:45] i wish i had couscous [05:45] clean installs are awesome [05:45] (which is freaking bloat to the nth degree, man) [05:45] elderK: if you are that old fashioned... then don't use a gui! [05:45] a) it is reccomended b) because i do a lot of support work in here, so i have to know what-goes-where [05:45] groceryshopping is happening [05:46] ^_^ have fun, nix_chix0r [05:46] :P and dtanner [05:46] I like being able ot see a LOT of stuff at once :P [05:46] like, pictures : [05:46] oh i'm going to bed first hahaah [05:46] Ratpoison is decent :P [05:46] today we are going to attempt to feed the baby his first semi solid food [05:46] elderK: i dont cosidere filling up hard disk space "bloat".. i consider burning CPU cycles and wasting RAM for no good reason bloat [05:47] elderK: screw a couple of gigs man :P [05:47] elderK: macavity has a point.. if you are not running the app it is just using disk space and not resources. why worry about it ? and if you are that old fashioned I assume you kjnow what packages you can *trim* down without breaking things after a full install [05:47] well, aye, dtanner. [05:47] I never do a full install anyway [05:47] I handpick everything. [05:47] It's just, ldd programs to find hteir deps gets annoying :P [05:47] then dont complain if something fails in a mysterious way :P [05:48] :P if it fails in a mysterious way, the logs shall help :P [05:48] last time i tried to get clever i learned that mount has a hard dependency on e2fsprogs :-S [05:48] Yep. [05:48] Action: TwinReverb greatly prefers a clean install to an upgradepkg in between versions [05:48] I learned that the hard way too :P [05:48] libblkid *ought* to be a seperate package :P [05:48] :P I did X11 package by package to find the most minimal X11 setup :P [05:49] well.. since then ive come to my senses [05:49] heh [05:49] it doesnt matter if my / uses 5 or 1GB [05:49] seems like too much work for nothing IMHO [05:49] Well, aye. [05:49] exactly dtanner [05:49] It's just, I like to know what htings are on my system, and why. [05:49] its different with windows [05:49] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.40) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:49] elderK: you are starting to make absolutely no sense at all [05:49] I guess i'm a litlte bit of a computer-control-freak. [05:50] how? [05:50] ever heard of /var/adm/packages/* ? [05:50] there it is an absolute requirement that you dont have any cruft on-disk that you dont want to get windows to pull half of into the registry [05:50] yes. [05:50] :P [05:50] then you know what is on your system =) [05:50] :) [05:51] Action: elderK burns 12.2 cd [05:51] :P Need to read up on why I shoudl care about PolicyKit and ConsoleKit [05:51] and whatnot [05:51] elderK: you should try 13rc1 [05:52] I would, but I've already burned like, 2g worth of bandwidth on 12.2 [05:52] :) [05:52] bbl guys, researching GWAREs packages. [05:52] >_< [05:53] gware... [05:53] he wants gnome ( not all of us are Kfreaks ) :P [05:54] he is worried about bloat.. yet installs something that converts his system to PAM.... [05:54] and i don't mean freaks in a bad way. i should say Klovers. To me it makes no sense to have de/wm wars. [05:55] macavity: we have never used PAM [05:55] "we".. are you one of the gware devs? [05:55] yes [05:55] i think old fogie would like to hear how you got this and that to compile wihout PAM [05:56] easily --without-pam when required. =) [05:56] but nice to know.. that has been my sour grape with dlg et all [05:56] and that actually still works? [05:56] i mean, slackware is afaik the only PAM less distro left [05:56] yes , works just fine [05:58] stealth-: any luck? [05:59] hm, seems like a better idea just to install all off GWARE then remove piece by piece, like you guys suggested. [05:59] hmm, i think after i install this shiny new maxtor 1TB drive I am going to run slackware64 and build a 64 bit gware. [05:59] what's gware? [06:00] gnome for slackware [06:00] http://gware.org ( a gnome for slackware ) [06:00] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gware [06:00] hehe chopp [06:01] i just found out about lmgtfy.com.. i love it! [06:01] dtanner, what would you do here? [06:01] there's a nasty version also :P [06:01] juist install gware and not care about the crap? [06:01] like... mono... [06:01] and and and... hamster.... [06:01] and and... tomboy [06:01] and anjuta .... [06:01] elderK: a full install. go from there. [06:03] this bloat code, i won't install it in my linux host, instead if will install it in my openvz's linux guest. [06:03] /if/i [06:04] dtanner: no, but whichever, I figure the likelyhood of it being useful isnt worth how much time I would have to put into googling and such for it. 20 minutes of googling is my max :) [06:04] =) [06:04] anyways, Im gonna head to bed. g'night [06:04] lates [06:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h27n6c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [06:08] anywho, I'm off to like, install slack. [06:08] keep cool, guys. [06:08] night stealth- [06:08] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [06:08] :) [06:08] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [06:08] fast typer [06:08] typer even [06:11] id rather say "funny type", but thats another story :P [06:13] damn, i had two ribeyes thawing out for dinner yesterday and left them out ( in ziplock baggies ) and then we went out for dinner instead and i wonder if they are still good? argh! they don't look all brown yet. damnit. I guess I will have steak and eggs for breakfast. [06:15] when chuck norris dies ... [06:15] *slurp* [06:15] "chuck norris finished counting to infinity" [06:15] TwinReverb: LOL [06:15] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:15] TwinReverb: chuck norris will never die [06:16] TwinReverb: who is going to kick ass for God then? [06:16] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:17] "he didn't die, he just decided the world wasn't enough" [06:18] hmmm - grub is no longer an option in slackware64/extra/grub ? [06:18] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:18] alisonken1church: it apparently wont compile cleanly on 64 [06:19] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left ##slackware. [06:20] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [06:20] alisonken1church: there was some talk about it in here the other night, and i think the consensus was: either install 32bit compatiblity and install the package, or use all the Arch linux patches, and compile it ourself for 64 [06:20] well, I have the slamd64-compat packages here, so may give that a try [06:20] alisonken1church: however, i have abosolutely zero idea whatever those talking were sane people or straight up crackpots [06:21] alisonken1church: my emidiate qestion was: can a 32 bit boot loader extract a 64 bit kernel and allign it in memory the way the kernel expects? [06:22] alisonken1church: but i guess you will be able to tell me shortly :P [06:22] it's not a matter o fkernel memory alignment, but getting the loader to work on a screwball system [06:22] it's no use having a working bootloader if it still cant boot you system :P [06:23] silicon mechanics says it's a dual-drive raid driver,but there;s no bios options for manipulating raid, and lilo keeps dying at 'L 99' even though it says it loaded properly [06:23] s/loaded/installed/ [06:23] 99 invalid second stage index sector [06:24] yep [06:24] lilo does generally not like to be installed on raids [06:24] http://pastebin.ca/1491497 [06:25] lilo install output [06:25] but it shouldn't be setup as raid [06:26] as far as I can tell, it's a raid card interface, but no raid is setup [06:26] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [06:27] it looks like lilo is tricked into beliving it is a hardware raid 0 [06:27] apparently [06:28] however, when I use the -x option, lilo reports no raid devices [06:28] have you tried -x mbr-only? [06:28] hmm - ok, let me try that [06:29] also set lba32 specifically :P [06:29] just so you dont get the warning [06:31] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.153.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] alisonken1church, so you're at church? [06:32] nope - broght the computer home [06:32] doing some other stuff with it [06:32] you work on the church LAN? [06:33] Fatal: Not a RAID install, 'raid-extra-boot=' not allowed [06:33] macavity: ^^^ [06:33] TwinReverb: only if I have to - all of the other computers are windows [06:34] you should forcefully convert them to Linux [06:34] you should make them feel guilty for spending money they could spend on the homeless or on missionaries on Windows instead >8-) [06:34] been pinging them on it - as well as OOo [06:35] I've already pointed "The Penguin And The Pulpit" link to the pastor. Guess how far that went [06:35] you would probably have to explain it to them [06:36] nope - everyone at the church pretty much knows my views. especially when I remind them to check their resource hogging security stuff because of another possible vuln. [06:36] although, I've already converted at least one grandpa to slackware. [06:37] funny part was, I started him with slackware, installed kubuntu, and he asked to go back to slackware :) [06:37] HAHAHA [06:38] i have some slackware padowan here at church [06:38] but this is a military chapel [06:38] so windows is mandated 8-( [06:39] only because windows is a checkmark on the supply chain - anything else requires a dissertation for justification [06:39] i converted one of the people whose job is computers to slackware linux [06:40] alisonken1church: ok, then i am out of ideas [06:42] alisonken1church, tried kolab yet? [06:42] TwinReverb: forgot about kolab - what is it again? [06:43] nevermind [06:44] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.157.232) joined ##slackware. [06:45] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:45] alisonken1church: bet, does your nick cover "a couple's name"? [06:46] macavity: yep - started with getting email adx just before we got married - she has allisonken and I got alisonken1 [06:46] many moons ago [06:47] alisonken1church: is she from somewhere in latin amerika originally? [06:47] in the days of dial-up emai [06:47] no - we're both from los angeles county [06:48] ok... it was just my GF who asked.. she new a girl called Alison from brazil who married a guy named Ken.. she lost contact with them after they moved to from Denmark to Sweeden [06:48] the combo is not insanely likely, so you know, it might have been :P [06:48] :) [06:53] Nick change: obnauticus -> billymays [06:53] Nick change: billymays -> billy_mays [06:54] Nick change: billy_mays -> billy-mays [06:54] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:55] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[07:21] hi all [07:22] anyone got lucky yet with fglrx and current kernel [07:22] why don't you change your nic to abortedfetus instead.... [07:22] cadmium, im used to this by now [07:22] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [07:23] right.. :) [07:28] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [07:32] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-134-54.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-151-207.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [07:39] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.69.90) joined ##slackware. [07:39] ivan8013 (n=ivan@41.72.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:43] dorin_ (n=dorin@92.85.164.22) joined ##slackware. [07:43] hy [07:43] i use USB Speedtouch 330 modem (adsl over pppoe ; I managed to make it work in linux , i have a manual redial script;HOW can I make a auto redial (for casses when i am not here to manual redial ) ? [07:45] dorin_, what are you using to connect, rp-pppoe? [07:45] pppd call speedtch [07:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.70.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:48] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:48] dorin_: i think waht you are looking for is persistant connection [07:49] dorin_, wait [07:49] yes, that's right TClayton [07:50] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166043042.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:50] dorin_, parameter persist [07:50] in /etc/ppp/peers/speedtch it is put a option "persist" but when my conection drops,i have to manual redial [07:51] bb in 10 minutes [07:52] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-251-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:52] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [07:53] anyone living in mainland china? [07:57] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166043042.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:57] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166043042.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:57] dorin_: also look at lcp-echo-interval and lcp-echo-failure [07:59] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] anyone with nvidia -ignoreABI problems ? [08:04] cant launch X with nvidia driver [08:07] why -ignoreABI? [08:07] dorin_: comment out the idle option too [08:08] Camarade_Tux: you asked about mainland China? http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/07/ethnic_clashes_in_urumqi_china.html [08:09] Camarade_Tux, yes [08:09] Camarade_Tux, cause X server says my card is not prepared and i should ignore it [08:10] on one PC i have i noticed a new ~/.kde profile wont build when logging in for the first time, but if i remove the nvidia driver & log in to kde the reinstall the nvidia driver it works fine, (some weird bug i have not pinned down [08:10] DeeeeP: "prepared"? [08:11] the bug may have been there for a long time, but i did not discover it until i deleted ~/.kde/* and tried logging in [08:11] Pig_Pen: read something about that but I was trying to know how were the pings and throughputs between china and france ;) [08:11] Camarade_Tux, wait, ill copy paste error [08:12] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-69-128.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [08:13] hello [08:13] bye bye windows [08:13] i've installed slack64 [08:13] hy [08:14] hy dorin_ [08:14] you win a trip to the Bahamas [08:14] yeah thanks lol [08:14] but i prefer stay here [08:14] Pig_Pen: I didn't know it had been so violent :o [08:14] with my slack lol [08:14] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@85.241.69.128) joined ##slackware. [08:15] Camarade_Tux, nvm , new driver solved [08:15] yeah, over 100 killed, thousands injured [08:15] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:16] nothing says get the heck out of the way like a crazy chinese with a stick in his hand [08:16] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:16] heh [08:16] where is: lcp-echo-interval and lcp-echo-failure ( i am not familiar with them [08:17] damn i forgot again how to use aspell to check spelling of a single word .. i piped it somehow [08:17] i piped urmom somehow [08:17] dorin_: /etc/ppp/options [08:18] somehow | urmom > i.txt [08:18] ah,ok,tnx [08:18] TwinReverb: she would not have you. and i thought you played in some church band. typical hypocracy. [08:18] hypocrisy :P [08:18] wutevaH [08:19] no today is "make fun of how lame 'your mom' jokes are" day [08:19] i'm making fun of how stupid they are [08:19] heh [08:19] besides, the example points to /usr/bin/somehow piping output through /usr/bin/urmom into /tmp/i.txt [08:19] i like the old standby "your mother wears combat boots" for some reason [08:19] it's a nerd joke, no double meaning [08:19] lcp-echo-interval 10 and lcp-echo-failure 3 [08:20] http://www.nedit.org/ftp/snapshot/nedit-latest-sources-HEAD.tar.gz wow, my favorite graphical text editor is not a dead project afterall! :) [08:20] Pig_Pen, does the world really need another graphical text editor? [08:20] which really doesn't mean anything nowadays since so many m,oms "really" wear combat boots [08:20] yes! dozens of them [08:20] i must have like ten of them on my computer [08:20] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.157.232) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [08:21] Action: TwinReverb stabs Pig_Pen [08:22] Action: TwinReverb hates "your mom" jokes [08:22] it's an example of how stupid you have to be to get a kick out of stupid jokes [08:22] i prefer joe ;) [08:22] Action: TwinReverb is waiting for something original [08:23] you need two more text editors, 10 is not enough, you need a dozen [08:23] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:25] dude i already have like gvim kedit mousepad and xemacs [08:26] oh and xedit [08:26] vim, elvis, ed, sed, emacs [08:26] and cat :D [08:26] no, i said graphical [08:26] ah , now i remember.. juice reminded me of this way -> echo "A line with a misspeled word" | aspell list [08:27] Camarade_Tux, and joe ;) [08:27] Action: TwinReverb mocks how some people act on IRC "no, wait, let me get out my atom smasher so i can split hairs at the subatomic level" [08:28] some people split hairs at the subatomic level in here some times [08:28] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:28] Action: TwinReverb wants to know who calibrates their hair splitters [08:29] I only listed the ones I used (well, I can _nearly_ use emacs) [08:29] damn! i just accidently hit ctrl alt delete when i wanted to do ctrl alt backspace [08:29] vim <3 [08:29] dorin_ (n=dorin@92.85.164.22) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:29] nano <3 [08:29] if you have alpine installed you also have pico [08:30] RipVanWinkle: pico < nano [08:30] arent they both about the same? [08:30] they sure look the same [08:30] RipVanWinkle: not really [08:31] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] RipVanWinkle: they are similar [08:32] RipVanWinkle: they are *not* the same [08:32] ok [08:32] but what he said is exactly true. [08:32] /var/log/packages/alpine-2.00-i486-1:usr/bin/pico [08:33] if you have alpine installed you have pico. [08:33] the stock slack pack that is [08:33] dtanner: yes, also, what I said is true [08:33] 13:29 < binary> RipVanWinkle: pico < nano [08:33] Action: dtanner gets out his hair splitter [08:33] dtanner: I would like to point out I never stated what he said was false [08:33] I simple said 13:29 < binary> RipVanWinkle: pico < nano [08:34] at which point RipVanWinkle suggested pico == nano [08:34] illuz1oN (i=500@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [08:34] i think MS WORD is the best one of all. I install wine just so I can have it. [08:34] at which point I informed RipVanWinkle that pico != nano [08:34] bah, latex :) [08:34] or ted ;) [08:34] dtanner: are you serious? [08:34] binary: it will be ok as soon as you have your morning meds. [08:35] can I get op to kick dtanner? [08:35] no i am not serious. that was total sarcasm. [08:35] binary, i actually could care less for both of those editors, i prefer midnight commander's built in editor when in the console, and nedit for a gui editor [08:35] dtanner: please enclose sarcasm in sarcasm tags [08:35] binary: even if you had op i doubt you could find the kick/ban keystroke. [08:35] binary: are you on crack? [08:35] daidoji: like sarcastic statement here [08:36] vim, gvim, ted, ooo when I need to open, and write in latex :) [08:36] Action: binary sighs [08:36] I hate trolls [08:37] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:37] RipVanWinkle: never tried nedit. I use elvis most of the time. but as far as gui editors I like cooledit. [08:37] binary: I have no idea what you are on but give us all some please. [08:38] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:38] dtanner: hmmm, /kb? :D [08:38] dtanner: for the record I'm ignoring you now [08:38] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:38] Camarade_Tux: please [08:40] dtanner, Word 6.0 to be precise 8-) [08:40] =0 [08:41] dorin_ (n=dorin@92.85.175.125) joined ##slackware. [08:41] bah! i would not even have an office suite installed if not for kids needing them to type up and print homework [08:41] i do a lot of office type stuff [08:41] Hmmm, I kind of wish I still had my old WP 5.1 [08:42] i'd be surprised if there isn't a WP emulator somewhere or something along that type of program [08:42] Pig_Pen: yeah, i have converted the entire household to linux including my stepdaughter who just finished 11th grade. She uses abiword and when needed OOo. [08:42] i'll bet wp would run in dosbox [08:42] dtanner, i like you 8-) [08:42] OOo does enough, but a console word processor in a DOS emulator would be cool [08:42] true [08:43] ok, anyone use sakura (the x terminal) ? it goes full screen with F11 in most window managers, but not fvwm in fvwm it ignores the F11 [08:44] Action: TwinReverb uses xterm [08:44] i have been using RoxTerm lately. [08:45] dorin_ (n=dorin@92.85.175.125) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:45] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-171-92.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:45] RoxTerm go full screen? i use rox filer to draw desktop icons & wallpaper [08:45] those two might go good together [08:45] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [08:46] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [08:46] 1.13.4 ? [08:46] oh yeah, i love rox-filer too. always have for a gui file manager.( roxterm is not part of the rox-desktop *stuff*. just fyi ) [08:46] 1.13.0 [08:46] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.85.175.125) joined ##slackware. [08:46] http://roxterm.sourceforge.net [08:47] i just got it, i am going to build and see :D thanks [08:47] sakura is nice but it does not go full screen in fvwm [08:48] it can be used as a ROX application ( reading the homepage ) [08:48] I ran rox-desktop for quite a while. really fast. [08:49] i dont do the whole rox-desktop thing, just the file manager, run it as rox --pinboard=PIN [08:49] yeah , I stopped using it a while back. but I have been wanting to try the latest version for kicks and grins. [08:50] the desktop that is [08:50] damn! No package 'dbus-glib-1' i am not installing dbus & dbus-glib-1 [08:50] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [08:50] --without-dbus does not fix it [08:50] Hello! [08:50] lets see what i can break in it [08:51] forgot about the --pinboard=PIN [08:51] Pig_Pen: heh [08:53] you can drag & drop apps and set icons for them, what i did was just make a dir in home and populated it with executable text files that launch apps so i dont have to navigate through /usr/bin dragging & dropping [08:53] Pig_Pen: ok , now i remember why i do not use the --pinboard=PIN anymore... it screws with my desktop panels and does not start the filer. I just run 'rox' to start the filer. [08:53] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [08:55] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.85.175.125) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:56] Pig_Pen: teach your kids latex: have a few templates for the headers, it's terribly easy then [08:57] only need a ten-line cheatsheet [08:57] h3nry (n=henry@unaffiliated/h3nry) joined ##slackware. [08:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-171-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [08:58] Camarade_Tux, i'm glad i read that twice 8-S [08:58] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:00] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:00] hmmmm, why? [09:00] Camarade_Tux: i doubt they have the patience for it, they just want to click an icon to launch openoffice & type some stuff, print and close [09:00] 'sudo -s' is really handy. no exporting DISPLAY or using xhost or xauth. [09:01] Pig_Pen: once the header is right, there is almost no overhead for tex [09:01] \section{Big Title 1} [09:02] \subsection{Sub Big Title 1} [09:02] and that's about it [09:02] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [09:02] yeah, i seen those templates for latex/tetex, but like i say they are teenagers and could care less for computers [09:02] Nick change: Guest57685 -> reallove [09:03] Camarade_Tux: ever use TeXmacs ? [09:04] Pig_Pen: nope [09:05] might be worth looking in to, it is not exactly a latex editor like Lyx but it does make great looking documents [09:05] and I want vim! [09:05] cherife (n=cherife@219.82.156.198) joined ##slackware. [09:06] my kids would look at vim with that "deer in the headlights" look on their face and say "wtf is this" [09:07] :P [09:07] there is whizzytex too which should be nice : http://cristal.inria.fr/whizzytex/animation.html :) [09:07] it was a battle just to get the wife & kids weened off windows, i got to keep Linux looking and feeling windozy for them to keep using it [09:09] I stopped trying to convert people, too hard [09:10] or not hard, but annoying [09:10] h3nry (n=henry@unaffiliated/h3nry) left irc: "leaving" [09:10] I converted my family in part by refusing to do Windows work for them! [09:11] lol [09:12] if i had my way, i'd just zeroize their hard drives and act all innocent [09:12] rob0: yeah, that works quite well ;) [09:12] "what? it worked fine yesterday, right?" [09:12] i dont want to convert the world, just my home, they PC everyone uses is up & running 24/7/365 so i sure as heck dont want some vulnerable crap on it like ms-windows thats why i wanted to convert my own household [09:13] h3nry (n=h3nry@unaffiliated/h3nry) joined ##slackware. [09:13] i want to convert everyone so that i can help them by ssh-ing into their computers rather than having to leave my room [09:13] TwinReverb: he ;p [09:13] good one :) [09:14] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.153.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [09:14] and that way they "have to" learn something else [09:14] rob0: yeah, I complained about that too and then i just removed windows from lilo. now they all love linux because it never crashes. at least once I set up the icons and menus the way they were used to it which doesn't take much time. [09:15] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:15] rob0: nowadays the menus are by default are good though. as long as they can browse the web and have IM and do homework and such they are happy. [09:15] honestly i think that's most of it, just the extra touches to get it working for people the way i want [09:15] Nick change: stunix -> Guest21234 [09:15] -are [09:16] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.84.13.113) left irc: "Leaving" [09:16] Nick change: chipster -> Guest99716 [09:17] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:17] I need to remove windows form the hard drive. it has been almost a year since it was booted. [09:17] so does anyone ELSE use LUKS or LVM? [09:18] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [09:18] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [09:18] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:19] One thing I have to do though for the ipod touch + itunes ( which still pisses me off ) is that i installed windows in vbox. Hopefully itunes support will come one day. [09:19] use cfdisk to format it to a linux compatible filesystem and use it for storage, or move /home/* to it and mount it as /home [09:19] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:19] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [09:19] apple {hard,soft}ware is evil, it's even more closed(-down) than anything from microsoft [09:20] and buy a player from Cowon rather than from apple [09:20] i will have to look into cowon. I bought my gf a touch for her bday. [09:20] apple isn't evil, linux can run on it just fine [09:20] what can I use to resize an ext3 partition? [09:20] but i would much rather buy something from iRiver [09:21] gparted is nice [09:21] Camarade_Tux, gparted live cd [09:21] TwinReverb: x86 is x86, no matter the brand [09:21] ok for gparted [09:21] If I use the kernel slackbuilds, from the source dir of slackware-12.2, do I then end up with an package as one would do with other slackbuilds? [09:21] of course you can just use parted but the gui is so easy. [09:21] dtanner: yeah, right [09:21] plee, yes it builds packages [09:22] ok :) Thanks TwinReverb :) [09:22] slackbuilds.org [09:23] yeah :) I need an kernel-upgrade for my wifi-ap [09:23] Guest21234 (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:23] don't do away with the headers package [09:24] just build your kernel man. the only thing in the kernel package is three files. [09:24] vmlinuz, config and System.map [09:24] But building everything on my build-pc since I don't want any dev-tools on the firewall :) [09:24] I see [09:25] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:25] plee: if the firewaffle machine is powerful enough, you can compile on it and then simply removepkg ;) [09:26] Camarade_Tux, yeah, that's true :) [09:26] But only thing missing now is the new kernel.. [09:26] So I might just install what's needed and then remove it [09:28] Camarade_Tux: you could also use -> resize2fs - ext2/ext3 file system resizer [09:28] System.map is not really needed for anything. [09:28] what>? i always copy System.map to /boot [09:28] nod... and config isn't either. [09:29] System.map optionally can be used by syslogd, but hasn't been used in Slackware since ... 8.1 maybe. [09:29] and i copy .config to /boot [09:29] copying the config is just for your purposes of having your config handy and that's all [09:29] elderK (n=zk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Well no, config isn't directly used, but it's important to have, if you want to build another kernel. /proc/config.gz is nice, though. [09:30] which you can get from your running kernel anytime anyways [09:30] unless you disabled it, like some fools do :) [09:30] i , out of habit, still copy config and System.map to /boot [09:30] heh [09:30] menuconfig has that option to import a .config you can point it at /boot/.config [09:30] likewise, I keep those files too, also in /boot [09:31] Guest99716 (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:31] plee, you need a kernel upgrade? [09:32] Camarade_Tux, why are you resizing your partition(s) [09:32] ? [09:33] Does anyone know what's needed to get slackware to support usb or something similar on boot? As a means to use a keyfile for unlocking the encrypted partition? I've used alienBOB's howto to encrypt my lapto, but it would be so much nicer to get a usb-dongle or something.. [09:33] I am sooo out of practice on iptables. :/ [09:33] TwinReverb, yeah, .29 or up [09:33] plee, initrd hackery [09:33] ok [09:34] that's a little out f my league.. hehe [09:34] plee, just grab a kernel tarball from www.kernel.org and build it [09:34] TwinReverb: a friend of mine, he was complaining about the lack of good utilities to resize ext3 partitions [09:34] err, ext3 has good utilities [09:35] Camarade_Tux, afaik you can only make ext* partitions bigger, not smaller [09:35] shrink and grow extremely well [09:35] you can shrink ext3 [09:35] ext4? [09:36] dunno..i know you can with 3 [09:36] TwinReverb, yeah, on my way :) It was just if it was as simple as building it on my build-pc.. then I could make a generic one for my servers :) Small, but with only things that one need, not all that one could have :) [09:37] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:39] plee, i prefer to build kernels ON the machine they are intended for (assuming the machine won't take a year to compile it) [09:39] The C99 language should be slightly modified for high performance massive threading CPU. Imagine that each thread has a smaller L0 cache intraprocess, they can't share global variables unless they use a reserved space for shared memory. the idea is simple, a modern cpu could be a dual core x86-64 that has 1024 threads that can do the parallel work of 1024 iDCTs from a H.264 video. [09:40] The same initrd as is needed for entering the partition's passphrase can also be used to load USB support. [09:40] plee: ^^ [09:40] TwinReverb, yeah :) It's a p3 1.4ghz with plenty ram, so it takes less then 30 min :) so it's not too bad [09:41] tualatin [09:41] i'm surprised patrick doesn't just use one kernel rather than two (i.e. one generic kernel and one initrd) [09:41] straterra, yeah :) [09:41] plee, tualatin is nice 8-) [09:42] yeah, it's quite nice :) [09:42] dual tualatin is even nicer 8-) [09:42] too bad mine is broke 8-( [09:43] a dual via eden netbook with ACE Padlock would be nice [09:43] I had/have 2 tualatin cpu's but no mb to use it [09:43] i'm now in the same ballpark [09:44] two tualatin processors without a motherboard [09:45] To tutor two tualatins to toot two times [09:45] Atom N330 are the toy replacement of the older Pentium-III :P [09:45] Yeah.. It's kinda sad :( hehe [09:46] but they are still slow for the minimal requirement of most software [09:46] I found one mb at a shop here where I live, but at the $350 it's not worth it [09:47] i need minimum X4 2.5 GHz for decent use [09:48] maxote: you could get an X4 overclocked at 7GHz :) [09:48] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-171-92.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:49] i love speed but i started to realize that most of computing is lots of time spent at idle with short bursts of heavy activity [09:50] maxote: dont say that! you are making my hardware sound old and slow! [09:50] yep, but sometimes you encode in h264 ='( [09:50] it's best to be patient with your computers [09:51] TwinReverb: even when you need to encode 1080p HD in real-time with x264, with a quality as high as possible and a bitrate as low as possible? :D [09:51] set it to work overnight [09:52] oh, forgot to write "in real-time" ;) [09:52] all time is real time [09:52] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.13.113) joined ##slackware. [09:52] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.13.113) left irc: Client Quit [09:52] ok, when you need to encode 24 frames per second [09:52] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.13.113) joined ##slackware. [09:52] try 30 [09:53] for multiplying the video throughput x20, it requires the following modifications: the silicon cpu, the C language for OS and apps, the OS and the libraries. [09:54] Free beer for the man who can tell me why usb-storage hangs with a WD passport using USB2. [09:54] Or woman for that matter. [09:54] Zosma, don't those come with some sort of encryption or password protection? [09:54] Zosma: dmesg |less ? [09:55] TwinReverb: nope. [09:55] i would think that would be the reason: not knowing how to handle the USB traffic [09:55] either that or the device is faulty (unless it works on Some Other OS {tm}) [09:55] Camarade_Tux: nothing wrong there... but I don't have USB_DEBUG etc. [09:55] TwinReverb: it doesn't fail with USB1 on my other machine. [09:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] is it a USB1 or USB2 device? [09:55] So it's either the motherboard or the device crapping over USB2. [09:56] It is USB2. [09:56] power ? [09:56] is the controller faulty? [09:56] is there enough USB power left over to run it? [09:56] Controller could be faulty yes... dunno how to check that though. [09:56] Also in what way would it fail if it doesn't have enough power? [09:56] if you have 5 devices plugged in that require power from the USB controller and you plug in one more, there may not be enough power left for it [09:56] The light is blinking like madness on the device. [09:57] Nah it's the only USB device. [09:57] I don't know if it's related... but it seemed only to fail after I replaced one of my Seagate disks. [09:57] (SATA, internal) [09:57] But this could just be a coincidence... would be weird if it's related in any way. [09:58] Zosma, I have a usb2 disk that needs power also, when used on my desktop [09:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-171-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [09:59] plee: and otherwise it just 'hangs/locks' too? [09:59] But only on the front usb-ports, not on the onboard usb [09:59] yeah, the light flashes and stuff, but nothing in messages or syslog until i give it the extra power.. [09:59] the front USB ports could be improperly installed [10:00] i.e. wrong wires to wrong pins [10:00] Mmm... [10:00] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:01] So I have 2 ports on the front and must use both when using the usb-disk, but the onboard ports gives all the power it needs when plugged in there.. [10:01] But it didn't fail some weeks ago I think... same USB port. Only thing is that the PSU could be at its limit with the new Seagate disk in... but I only have 4 HDDS attached to it and nothing else. [10:01] ok :) [10:02] Mmm well if it's the same symptoms... maybe it is lack of power somehow. [10:03] It's worth a check :) [10:03] but as you say, it could also be the psu [10:04] Zosma: got a windows on that box? [10:05] Camarade_Tux: unfortunately not. [10:06] Zosma: any vista or win7 installation dvd? 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[10:12] Camarade_Tux: nope... but [10:12] # CONFIG_USB_DEBUG is not set [10:12] # CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG is not set [10:12] Channel flood from Zosma -- kicking [10:12] # CONFIG_USB_DEBUG is not set [10:12] # CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG is not set [10:12] Zosma kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:12] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:12] :) [10:12] Ahem... copy-paste fail. [10:12] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:12] Anyway... maybe I should enable them? [10:14] dunno, the hard drive only fails if you start using it a lot? and does the disk stop spinning? [10:14] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) joined ##slackware. [10:18] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [10:18] How can one see what keys are pressed... I have a keyboard with volume and such on it, and I want to map those keys :) [10:18] Camarade_Tux: aye [10:19] But I had it connected and mounted last night and it was fine... then I looked at it this morning and it locked up again (I have a system load of 5 now) [10:19] plee: I think the canonical way is to use xev [10:19] Camarade_Tux, thanks :) [10:19] Prolly failed on updatedb or something. [10:20] heya Tux! [10:21] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [10:22] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:22] yo elderK [10:23] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Client Quit [10:23] Zosma: the load might be because of ntfs-3g (I assume the partition is ntfs) [10:23] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=Elektro@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:24] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [10:25] a massively multithreaded CPU should have widther bus to parallel RAM, right? [10:26] yep [10:26] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=Elektro@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Client Quit [10:26] Camarade_Tux: nope it is just ext3. [10:26] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=Elektro@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:27] It is 5 because the processes are in state D+ (uninterruptible sleep) because the usb-storage fails. [10:27] what's the name of that chip with tons of cores? [10:28] niagara? [10:28] nope, another [10:28] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:29] The 80-core intel one? [10:29] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=Elektro@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Client Quit [10:31] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [10:31] anyone ever hear of Jetway motherboards? are they any good? [10:31] I've heard of them. [10:31] Don't they make many ITX ones? [10:32] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [10:32] h3nry (n=h3nry@unaffiliated/h3nry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:32] i wanted little bit slower speed but massive throughput [10:33] dual core for soft-real time load balancing [10:33] and massive threads [10:33] dtanner: Hey, man. [10:33] No clue how good they are maxote sorry. [10:33] People - What's the deal with this "kernel mode setting"? [10:33] Is it actualyl useful yet? [10:34] Best and only thing you can do is google reviews I think maxote. [10:34] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=Elektro@77.27.254.204) joined ##slackware. [10:34] elderK: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29#head-e1bab8dc862e3b477cc38d87e8ddc779a66509d1 [10:34] Read that... it's an excellent explanation. [10:34] In short: only one intel driver makes use of it I think. [10:35] Neat, I have Intel. [10:35] Thanks for the link, btw. [10:35] aye [10:35] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> Asmadeus_TuTourn [10:36] Nick change: Asmadeus_TuTourn -> Camarade_Tux [10:36] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> TuTournesSousDeb [10:36] Nick change: TuTournesSousDeb -> AsmadeusYouRunDe [10:36] So, does this... mean I can display a shiny picture while my system boots? :P [10:36] Nick change: AsmadeusYouRunDe -> AsmadeusRunsDebi [10:37] or, hopefully, less flickery-crap? [10:37] Nick change: AsmadeusRunsDebi -> Camarade_Tux [10:37] sorry for the nick changes ;p [10:37] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "C-x C-c" [10:37] :P np [10:38] I wonder how EFI booting is going,too. [10:38] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [10:38] It'd be neat if I could boot on tis machine without having to use EFI's Compatibility Modules. [10:39] Nick change: Elektro_{-_-}_ -> Elektro_{OFF}_ [10:39] maxote: see tile64/tilera processors : http://www.tilera.com/ [10:39] it's the only way to compete against Graphic CPUs [10:40] Nick change: Elektro_{OFF}_ -> Elektro_{-_-}_ [10:40] Camarade_TuX, Tilera is itself bottlenecked [10:41] maxote: why? [10:41] it waste many cpu cycles at forwarding messages [10:42] ALright guys, I'm off to install Slack for real. [10:42] maxote: have you already used a tile64 [10:42] ? [10:42] I'll see you guys in a couple hours or so. [10:42] :) [10:42] Nick change: Elektro_{-_-}_ -> Elektro_{OFF}_ [10:42] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:42] it's as 128 ducks in a room that has only a door [10:42] elderK: nah, it's much faster ;) [10:42] ;) Aye. [10:42] maxote: hahaha :P [10:43] But I'll be pissing around a lot too :P [10:43] Getting GNOME up. [10:43] Or KDE [10:43] and then playing with themes before I remember to come on IRC. [10:43] :P [10:43] lol [10:43] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [10:43] :) [10:43] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:43] elderK (n=zk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:43] damn floodbot. [10:43] :p [10:44] elderK, can you be honourable to write your shorter comments in fewer lines? [10:44] plee2 (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [10:45] look at three of those lines, one is a :P one is a lol and one is a :) [10:45] you earned it [10:45] Hey. Can I have on one slackware two different users (different uids and homedirs and passwords), but with same name? Is it a really bad idea anyway? [10:45] I'll try. I have a bad habit of breaking lines as I ponder. [10:45] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Camarade_Tux: lol that tilera site crashes my Firefox. [10:46] Dunno why but it crashes often as of lately. [10:46] Zosma: flash enabled [10:46] ?,,,,,, [10:47] Action: elderK shudders [10:47] flash.... [10:47] Action: Camarade_Tux has something under his ?/, key [10:47] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-30-238-161.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] Camarade_Tux: it's me under your ?/, key! IT'S MEEEEEEEEEEE [10:47] Camarade_Tux: mmm flashblock + adblock, maybe they crash it. [10:48] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] lol [10:49] eviljames: haha, I just blasted you ;) [10:49] orthanc: if you do that, how do you suppose getpwent etc will resolve from the name? [10:49] Action: elderK throws eviljames a sensu bean [10:49] h3nry (n=h3nry@unaffiliated/h3nry) joined ##slackware. [10:50] :P [10:50] Action: eviljames googles sensu bean [10:50] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sensu+bean [10:50] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:51] hey - google says it's "senZu bean" jerk! [10:51] Camarade_Tux: http://pastebin.com/d519ba8a8 [10:51] Looks like it hung after updatedb indeed. [10:51] I'll stop spamming you now... but. thanks for the advice/hints/ideas. [10:52] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.13.113) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:52] Camarade_Tux: that better not mean what I think it means *fap*fap*fap*... [10:52] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) got netsplit. [10:52] orthanc (n=jlehtira@rogue.hut.fi) got netsplit. [10:52] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) got netsplit. [10:52] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) got netsplit. [10:52] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-162-97.dynamic.hinet.net) got netsplit. [10:52] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) got netsplit. 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[10:54] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) returned to ##slackware. [10:54] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) returned to ##slackware. [10:54] nooper (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) returned to ##slackware. [10:54] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) returned to ##slackware. [10:54] Zosma: if your hard drive is getting automatically scanned, that's what I call a high activity ;) [10:56] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.67.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:56] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.7.249) left irc: "Leaving" [10:56] hi all [10:57] Camarade_Tux: mmm yes.. that is high activity indeed :-) [10:57] So it could be it draws more power then eh. [10:57] Blegh it hangs already half a day. [10:58] err.. humm, this is the first time I'm using irssi [10:58] how do I switch between channels> [10:58] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166043042.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:58] gtl: using irssi? [10:59] Zosma: yes [10:59] Using meta + window number... so probably alt-1 alt-2 etc. do the trick. [10:59] I never install slocate, it's annoying for removable devices [11:00] ESC 1, ESC 2 too for that matter. [11:00] gtl: and /win always works too. [11:00] Zosma: nice! thanks, buddy! [11:00] Camarade_Tux: yeah but still... they shouldn't pop out innit? [11:02] wait, hmmm, iirc slocate's job is done through a cronjob [11:02] Camarade_Tux: why would slocate touch removable devices? [11:02] elderK (n=zk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:03] (since /media and /mnt are in /etc/updatedb.conf:PRUNEPATHS) [11:04] I don't know that much about slocate, but anyway, it seems to be running [11:04] netfra (n=francesc@host130-35-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:04] gtl: you can also hold [alt] and press the number [11:05] Hi everybody [11:05] hello netfra [11:05] hello akira [11:05] I have a networking problem [11:06] you do? [11:06] hahaaa [11:06] BP{k}: it seems he does. [11:06] yes I have doubts on how the /etc/hosts works [11:06] this better not be a social networking problem. no myspace drama allowed! [11:07] eviljames: what about facetube or youbook? ;) [11:07] Terribly sorry, old chap, but no. [11:08] no soory may be Iexpressed my self in italian-english [11:08] I believe they cal that "italics".. no one knows when the language was made up. some say the 20's, others.. the 30s. [11:08] s/cal/call/ [11:09] yes italics [11:09] anyway [11:09] our sysadmin gave me a new development area on a server [11:09] and said [11:09] illuz1oN (i=500@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] . [11:10] .. [11:10] ... [11:10] what have I done? [11:10] to add IP and url to my /etc/hosts file [11:11] so i could see it untill it is in development [11:11] but it doesn't work [11:11] netfra: you should really press the enter key less often [11:11] netfra: just a suggestion: less `enter'. make a whole complete sentence that explains the problem in one go. [11:11] sorry [11:11] netfra: IRC is not IM [11:11] netfra: did you actually add something like "xxx.yyy.zzz.aaaa http://domain.com/test" to your /etc/hosts? [11:12] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [11:12] how much do I love sitting on my balcony w/ laptop + a cup of coffee this early in the morning? Lots, that's how much. [11:12] eviljames: nice :) [11:12] BP{k}: http://www.thefuckingweather.com/ [11:13] it claims that it's only ...alright here, but it lies. [11:13] eviljames: same here! cold morning, comfy chair, but coffee is sure a must! [11:13] woot! hopefully it's nicer than the 17C it is here. [11:14] coffee .. it's more than good, it's a survival trait. ;-) [11:14] eviljames: it's around that here [11:14] 80.79.54.203 international.isfol.it in /etc/hosts [11:15] I usually add a 2nd, one word alias to the stuff in /etc/hosts. ie: 80.79.54.203 international.isfol.it devbox [11:15] netfra: getent hosts international.isfol.it [11:15] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.136.112) joined ##slackware. [11:16] netfra: WFM. [11:17] thumbs: the answer is 212.48.8.140 [11:17] netfra: that is incorrect. [11:18] michiel@hades:~$ getent hosts international.isfol.it [11:18] 80.79.54.203 international.isfol.it devbox [11:18] I'm looking into using a sd-card to hold my keyfile, for encrypted hdd on my laptop, and when I unzip the initrd.gz and use vi to watch it's content, I see a portion of it where it says /linuxrc and has a lot of cleartext. Is this where I should alter stuff to try to make the initrd find my keyfile? [11:18] netfra: if you had done it properly in /etc/hosts, it would return 80.79.54.203 [11:19] illuz1oN` (n=illuz1oN@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] ok thumbs, I'll check [11:19] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:19] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Is there a way to launch a screen session and put three different windows in it from the command line? I've been playing around with -dm and -d and i can't seem to get it [11:21] hiptobecubic^: pull 3 outside sessions in, or just create new windows to shift through in screen? [11:21] new windows is what i want to do [11:21] i'm calling three commands and i want to be able to flip through them [11:22] ctrl-A C creates a new one. Ctrl-A 0,1,2 shifts through them. [11:22] hiptobecubic^: I have done it buy putting what I want to start up in my .screenrc (screen -t $name 0 $command) [11:23] thumbs: do I have to restart services when I modify /etc/hosts? [11:23] netfra: no. [11:23] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:25] yeaaaahhhhhhh!!!! It gorks [11:25] It works [11:25] of course it does. :) [11:25] Action: eviljames gorks all over the place [11:25] hahahaha [11:25] sorry [11:25] netfra: if done properly, sure, it will. [11:25] What seems to be happening for me, is that i'll make a screen session with -dmS $name $cmd and then i want to put another program into a different _window_ of that session, but instead i get a second sessions [11:26] Thank you thumbs, thank you all you guys [11:26] and i have to deattach and reattach the first one if i want to see it [11:26] binary (n=binary@5e0190bf.bb.sky.com) left irc: "leaving" [11:26] click (n=click@88.147.9.191) joined ##slackware. [11:26] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.96.169) joined ##slackware. [11:26] slacker4life (n=mike@72-24-250-212.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] illuz1oN` (n=illuz1oN@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:27] hiptobecubic^, are you trying to bring in an already running command? [11:27] dive, no [11:27] Hey guys, somebody had tried to configure te new Intel Turbo Memory in Linux ? [11:27] just start a command in a window? [11:27] dive, yes. in a window of the already running sessions [11:27] session* [11:27] Or maybe access it like a Flash Disk ? [11:27] hiptobecubic^, then just switch to that window and type the command [11:28] you can't script it? [11:28] whats to script? [11:28] you can start off screen with commands by putting them in screenrc [11:28] so that you can run the script and it sets up the session with the proper commands in the windows [11:29] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac88010.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] yes put the commands in screenrc [11:29] if i were just going to manually make new windows and run commands it wouldn't matter i guess [11:29] or make another screenrc and use -c [11:29] dive, i'll check it out thank you [11:29] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [11:30] that's how BP{k} said he was doing it i think [11:31] hiptobecubic^: no I didn't. You misunderstood me. I said I had it to got working with modifying my .screenrc, which is different from scripting it. [11:31] Action: CyberS0nic is away: I'm not here, Leave your message [11:31] CyberS0nic: turn that shit off please. We do not care. [11:32] hiptobecubic^, make a new screenrc (or copy it), rename it to screenrc-, put some commands in like 'screen irssi, screen finch' etc, use screen -c .screenrc- [11:32] dive, ok thanks [11:32] BP{k}, ops, my mistake, wrong button [11:32] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [11:32] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:32] then perhaps make a alias to run it too to save type '-c ... ' each time [11:33] hiptobecubic^: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/v5GL2B18.html <-- that's what I had at the bottom of my ~/.screenrc [11:34] yeah thats similar to mine [11:34] do screenrc lines have to start with a # ? [11:34] .... [11:34] no they are comments [11:34] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.96.169) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:36] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:38] I suggest making a seperate .screenrc- with those commands in so that you can always start a blank screen session without running all those commands again [11:38] Camarade_Tux, BP{k}: updatedb is run through cron yes (/etc/cron.daily/slocate)... but /mnt is not in my PRUNEPATHS [11:38] click (n=click@88.147.9.191) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] got rc1 running well on the desktop. :-) [11:39] orthanc (n=jlehtira@rogue.hut.fi) left irc: "leaving" [11:40] Zosma: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/KaxEbc18.html [11:40] BP{k}: are you sure you didn't add that yourself? [11:40] campassi: intel chip? [11:41] yessir. p4 3ghz, slackware64 [11:41] BP{k}: on my Slamd64 12.1 box it doesn't have /mnt. [11:41] no /mnt in mine [11:41] compiling firefox 35 atm [11:41] I don't think /mnt is in by defalt [11:42] hm, I think flash player causes mine to freeze. [11:42] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-251-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:42] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] hmm I might have added it :| [11:42] I don't hav /media either [11:43] well with those in then it won't search any mounted drives at all [11:43] dive: on? [11:43] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-251-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] on? [11:43] which slackware-version. [11:43] 12.2 [11:43] campassi: firefox 35, whoa, is it going to be shipped with slackware130? :D [11:44] hehe [11:44] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.173) left irc: "Leaving" [11:44] Zosma: okay, I just double checked .. it's added in 13.0. [11:45] Action: dtanner smashes ConsoleKit with a WAR HAMMER [11:46] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.77.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] way to go, dtanner! [11:46] time for a rib eye ! [11:46] hehe [11:46] dtanner: is that related to gware? ;) [11:47] well gtl , i have narrowed it down to consolekit not getting started properly when you let kdm or gdm try to start it [11:47] cherife (n=cherife@219.82.156.198) left irc: "leaving" [11:47] hmm, interesting ;) [11:48] slacker4life (n=mike@72-24-250-212.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:48] gtl: you have to add the entries to PolicyKit like I pasted before. and also restart or start consolekit. gdm and kdm(not sure what version kdm is consolekit aware) are supposed to be consolekit aware. but once conosolkit daemon is started)restarted after logging in to your gnome session all is good. same goes for kdm. i checked it. [11:49] Camarade_Tux: yes we use policykit and consolekit in gware nhow. and it will be in slackware one day too. [11:49] consolekit and policykit that is [11:49] prolly not 13.0 though [11:49] prolly not 14 either ;) [11:50] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [11:50] well, according to rworkman probably in 13.1 IIRC [11:50] oh, ok [11:50] dtanner: i replied you in #gware ;) [11:50] I guess it won't be unbearable if it gets into slackware [11:50] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.3.199) joined ##slackware. [11:50] but it's weird for a .1 release [11:51] later , time to eat [11:51] gtl: gotcha [11:51] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.46) joined ##slackware. [11:52] BP{k}: hehe okay :-) [11:52] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:54] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:56] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:57] irc question: how do I post something like "* gtl "? [11:58] gtl: /me /action or failing that "google irc primer" [11:58] BP{k}: thanks [11:59] Action: gtl is going to brew some coffee [11:59] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders how he can post something like "* Camarade_Tux wonders" [12:02] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:04] i think Mythbusters is running out of ideas, i just seen them blow out a fire with explosives, a man by the name of Red Adair has been doing that on oil well fires since the 1940's or 1950's [12:04] it is much hotter than 17 degrees today. ahwell, more coffee! [12:04] Pig_Pen: create some very outlandish myths and submit them. maybe you'll get to be on the show. [12:06] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] "the hairy palms" myth [12:06] image the experiment to disprove that one... [12:08] or the 'tastes like chicken' myth [12:09] wait... it actually does taste like chicken [12:09] "where the sun don't shine" myth [12:10] the "my dad can beat up your dad!" myth [12:10] funny i watched my first (half) mythbusters episode only an hour ago [12:10] i never heard them before that [12:10] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-58-141.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:10] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [12:11] i think mythbusters just like blowing stuff up, now that they are running out of ideas they just blow stuff up more for entertainment value [12:11] that's fine with me [12:12] Pig_Pen, your a quick one! [12:12] sahko: they put on an interesting show, i think they are somewhat becoming yesterday's news [12:12] yeah, its a cool show, but eventually they better get some good ideas because just blowing stuff up is going to get old [12:12] Action: edman007 goes back to watching videos of bombs [12:12] mythbusters? [12:12] Action: antler IS tha bomb [12:13] yes, mythbusters [12:13] yeah pretty cool [12:13] i llike the exploding 2-liter bottle of coke/soda/POP when ya put a mentos in it [12:13] er.. [12:13] blowing stuff up never gets old [12:13] I am having trouble getting /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 to bring up my wireless network at boot time. Here is my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf: http://pastebin.org/1019 . I don't get any output on the console. From /var/log/messages, I see the interface brought down, but no attempt is made to bring it back up. My /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf is setup correctly, because I can bring up the network with it from the CLI. [12:14] Dominian: true enough [12:14] well, it didn't explode , the 2-liter of soda, it spewed like crazy [12:15] gtl: i thought it was boring and resembled a dumb reality show for the most part. maybe i watched the wrong episode [12:16] dtanner: that's prob because the bottle is plastic [12:16] zaltekk, try changing to USE_DHCP[1]="yes" [12:16] dive: oops, that was a typo into pastebin. it actually says yes in the conf :P [12:16] and if you read through the howtos/comments it says to put wifi at [4] [12:17] dunno if it makes any difference though [12:17] slackware.com/~alien shows it at [1] [12:17] and says it is fine anywhere between your last ethernet card and 6, which is the maximum unless you modify rc.inet [12:17] zaltekk, unless you actually 'paste' your conf we can't see if there are any typos.. [12:19] I made a typo when making my initrd. I wrote -C /dev/sda2 instead of -C /dev/hda2 Is there a way to correct that at boot? [12:20] http://pastebin.org/1058 -> this is an exact copy [12:20] Nick change: Elektro_{OFF}_ -> Elektro_{-_-}_ [12:20] it seems as if the conf file isn't even read.../var/log/messages shows ifconfig taking down the interfaces and then bringing up lo, but not executing any other commands. [12:21] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [12:21] zaltekk: what wifi card/chip is on your wifi adapter? [12:21] Intel WiFi Link 5100(iwlagn) [12:22] ok, that one should work well with wpa_supplicant [12:22] Pig_Pen: i can successfully start the network by typing "wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf && dhclient wlan0" [12:22] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.67.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] the problem is that rc.inet1 doesn't even attempt to configure the interface [12:23] what happens if you type /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start ? [12:23] nothing [12:24] http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/ shows supported cards, i see there is two intel cards listed but not intel 5100 [12:24] Pig_Pen: it works fine with wpa_supplicant. the only problem lies with rc.inet1 [12:25] well if it works by typing the wpa_supplicant command it's not the driver [12:25] oh, you've had it working before? [12:25] i am using it right now. i just had to manually start wpa_supplicant and dhclient [12:25] i can't get it to start at boot with rc.inet1.conf [12:25] or even after boot with rc.inet1.conf [12:25] zaltekk, if it was me I would try changing to [4] - since that's how most howtos have it [12:26] Arenics (n=Arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [12:26] dive: okay, i'll give that a try. [12:26] ah, i guess wpa_supplicant needs to update their documentation [12:26] zaltekk, and try with dhcpcd rather than dhclient [12:26] since that's what rc.inet1 uses [12:26] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [12:27] ]/win 2 [12:27] /window new fail [12:27] okay, i'll make sure that works [12:27] :D [12:27] lol [12:28] with [4], i still got no output to either the console or /var/log/messages [12:28] there's a DEBUG setting too you could try setting [12:28] monstro (i=1000@201-26-15-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:28] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:28] Which package run files rmvb ? [12:28] the DEBUG_ETH_UP or whatever? that didn't produce any output either... [12:28] although it's DEBUG_ETH_UP [12:29] one sec [12:29] the problem isn't that my settings are making wpa_supplicant or the dhcp client fail to setup the network. my problem is that neither of those programs even get executed. [12:29] zaltekk, 'yes' not 'YES' ;-) [12:29] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:29] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:30] check rc.inet1 it looks for 'yes' and only 'yes' [12:30] I intend to use OpenBSD OS as codding plataform, is there a way to get a coulor set output (e.g for edit codes in vi) ? [12:30] 'YES' won't work [12:30] okay, i'll try making that change [12:30] Arenics: ask in #openbsd :P [12:30] Dominian: nones replies [12:30] Dominian: nones reply* [12:30] Arenics, vi akaik doesn't support colours but 'vim' does [12:31] Arenics: did you check the man pages in OpenBSD? they are like a novel. [12:31] Dominian: can you read what wrote ? did I make me understand ? [12:31] Arenics, check your vimrc for syntax support [12:31] dive: still no output to the console or to the logger. [12:31] zaltekk: I'm trying to find one man page that speaks about it [12:32] Arenics, vi does not support colours I'm sure [12:32] vim does [12:32] I don't know if it is why I am using korn shell, or if it is why I have no term cap... [12:33] monstro (i=1000@201-26-15-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:33] dive: for exemple, now I am using a non-color irssi throught xterm, and I dont know why it is not colored [12:34] zaltekk, did you bring down the iface and stop dhcpcd and wpa_supplicant before trying to start rc.inet1? [12:34] dive: i've tried that, and also tried telling rc.inet1 to stop/start, restart, just wlan0 to stop/start, restart, etc. [12:34] i've been working on this for hours [12:34] it doesn't make much sense why it isn't at least _trying_ to start [12:35] zaltekk, but yoy have wpa_supplicant and dhclient runnning now - were they running when you last tried it? [12:36] Action: dive goes put some chicken on [12:37] nom nom [12:37] Dominian: when I aked to you if you understood what I had wrote, it is not an brutal** question, I just ask it to you because I don't speak english very well :) [12:37] huh? [12:37] oh.. no I understood just fine.. I'm working on my linode [12:38] ok :) [12:38] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:38] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:38] okay dive [12:38] now the dhcpd part is working [12:38] but the wirelessi sn't [12:39] er what? [12:39] starting from rc.inet1 starts dhcpcd? [12:39] or? [12:39] with the [4] and lowercased yes, /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart has begun stopping and starting dhcpcd [12:39] but it doesn't touch iwconfig or wpa_supplicant [12:40] ah [12:40] zaltekk: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart [12:40] agentc0re: i've done that :P restart on it's own does all interfaces [12:41] so does dhcpcd get you an ip address or does it just hang for ages? [12:42] heh [12:42] silly question probably [12:42] it just sits forever because it doesn't setup the wireless [12:42] so it doesn't have a link [12:42] right [12:43] recvform: Network is down [12:43] it doesn't set the essid or mode. it doesn't bring up wlan0. it doesn't start wpa_supplicant. [12:44] does 'ifconfig wlan0 up' do anything? [12:44] yes [12:44] post your rcinet1.conf and the wlan0 section please. [12:44] rc.inet1 just doesn't try to do it [12:44] yeah we need an update on the conf [12:44] it's already up...let me find the link again [12:44] oh okay. [12:44] and add the changei made [12:45] and are you sure you have a working wpa_supplicant.conf? [12:45] zaltekk, paste the conf rather than editing it by hand please [12:45] agentc0re, yes he can start it all manually [12:46] dive: Oh, gotcha. [12:46] http://pastebin.org/1062 [12:46] one problem was that he had USE_DHCP="YES" rather than "yes" [12:47] netfra (n=francesc@host130-35-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:47] yep. so now the dhcp client starts and stop properly. it just doesn't set any wireless settings or run wpa_supplicant [12:47] commend out your essid and mode. let me boot up my netbook too. i'll tell you what i have. I hardly ever setup wireless in linux so i don't remember everything. [12:47] okay [12:48] dhcp should just set the nameservers in resolv.conf and ipaddresses & default gateway & subnetmask [12:48] didn't affect anything agentc0re [12:48] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] okay, one sec while i boot this up. [12:50] the only difference between your and mine is that I have my Hostname in there [12:50] you checked the ESSID is corrent I suppose? [12:50] yes [12:51] even if it was wrong, it would at least show with /sbin/iwconfig that it had been set [12:51] s/corrent/correct/ [12:52] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-58-141.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] zaltekk: http://pastebin.org/1065 insert those changes. [12:53] add your host name to the dhcp_hostname. [12:55] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:55] okay [12:56] still doesn't work. wpa_supplicant never starts [12:56] is what you posted what your rc.inet1.conf looks like exactly or did you cut and paste it together? [12:56] it looks exactly like that [12:57] and your wireless device is named, wlan0? [12:57] yes [12:57] when you manually do it [12:58] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [12:58] pastebin your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [12:58] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-173.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf && dhcpcd -d wlan0 [12:59] change -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [12:59] Pig_Pen: no, it works the other way. [12:59] no space between the -c and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? [13:00] yep [13:00] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:00] zaltekk: pastebin your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [13:00] Pig_Pen: that is actually how the program says to do it. [13:00] agentc0re: it is wlan0. [13:00] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] k [13:01] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "danger!!!" [13:01] hrmm. [13:01] SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:21:6b:02:57:f6", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0" [13:01] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [13:01] i have a rt61 wifi chip and i could never get wpa_supplicant to work, i gave up after two days of mucking around with it and just use wep [13:01] Pig_Pen: wpa_supplicant works. rc.inet1 doesn't. [13:02] elderK (n=zk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [13:02] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Man. [13:02] :p [13:02] This isn't going fantastically. [13:02] Broadcom driver keeps crashing 2.6.29 [13:02] Thank god for Ethernet. [13:02] :) [13:02] i have rc.inet1.conf running my wifi fine, want me to pastebin mine? [13:02] sure [13:03] Anyone had any issues with the Broadcom STA "wl.ko" driver? [13:03] zaltekk, did you chmod -x rc.wireless by any chance? [13:03] on 2.6.29 ? [13:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:03] or put any settings in /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf ? [13:03] dive: slackware.com/~alien says it isn't a bad idea to actually delete it [13:03] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.3.199) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:03] that it is only necessary for PC cards, and it is deprecated [13:03] zaltekk, I had problems when I chmod -x mine [13:04] i deleted mine [13:04] it is the same guy that wrote the manpage for rc.inet1 and rc.inet1.conf [13:04] http://pastebin.com/ddd2beb9 i dont use dhcpcd i use a static LAN ip and just let the router do the dhcp with my ISP [13:04] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Damn. [13:06] zaltekk, you are talking of alienBOB [13:06] who is here [13:06] yes [13:07] but I did have problems when with wireless to do with rc.wireless so might be an idea to reinstall it [13:07] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] so, I take it /no one/ has had any issues with the Broadcom driver? P [13:07] Lucky bastards. [13:07] :P [13:07] Action: Dominian has no reason to have issues with it.. none of my stuff uses broadcom [13:08] Action: elderK nods in jealous understanding [13:08] ehhe [13:08] :) [13:08] Like I said, thank god for Ethernet. [13:08] aye [13:08] hmm, yes...i guess i can try putting it back [13:08] I'll hunt down the problem when I can actually see more than 80x24 :) [13:08] lol [13:08] lol [13:08] hail to the great god cat5 [13:08] Action: elderK bows [13:08] Action: elderK lights a cigarette in reverence [13:08] elderK: delete it then. that'll fix it. [13:08] ^_^ [13:09] :P It's okay just not modprobing it atm [13:09] :P [13:09] I need wireless at some ponit. [13:09] s/ni/in/ [13:09] :) [13:09] then hid your cables to fool yourself. [13:09] s/hid/hide [13:09] shift page up will scroll in the console [13:09] :P [13:09] cheers pp. [13:09] :P [13:10] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Hard electronica is keepingme happy, either way. [13:10] :P [13:10] Wireless or no wireless [13:10] lol [13:10] :) [13:10] ^_^ also, thank god for mp3 players. [13:10] ^_^ [13:11] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-80-5.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] hi all [13:12] stillborn: all is not in today [13:13] hi stillborn [13:13] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] zaltekk: http://pastebin.com/m4647a7f8 just cut and pasted from my netbook. [13:13] so anyone got ati drivers compiled to current kernel [13:13] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [13:13] :P ?? [13:14] agentc0re1: okay [13:14] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "I'm leaving" [13:14] yo, agent [13:14] can Iborrow your sunglasses/ [13:14] they look cool [13:14] :P [13:15] See, at the cafe near here, they have "free coffee for spyfolk" [13:15] :P [13:15] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:15] agentc0re1: sadly, that looks like you are using the same settings as me [13:15] okay [13:15] did you keep a backup of your rc.wireless ? [13:15] nope [13:15] finding one now [13:15] one sec. [13:15] zaltekk, try reinstalling c.wireless [13:15] i'll pastebin mine. [13:16] dive: trying to find it on the mirror [13:16] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:16] it wasn't in a/etc. i'll try the wireless tools thing [13:16] sending... [13:16] http://pastebin.com/m3ce6a697 [13:17] make sre it's +x [13:18] i don't think it is going to download the dcc through my router [13:18] irssi says it is at 0% [13:18] oh well [13:19] i just found it on the mirror [13:19] slackware/n/wireless-tools* had it [13:22] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-27-107-126.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:24] okay dive. after looking in rc.wireless i can tell that it does the wireless settings. i'm not sure why alienbob's site said it was safe to delete. or maybe he was just saying it was safe to delete rc.wireless.conf, and not rc.wireless... [13:24] I know rc.inet1 calls it to start the wireless stuff [13:24] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] so tested? [13:25] yep. i think i just made the assumption that rc.wireless wasn't needed if rc.wireless.conf wasn't. [13:25] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.134.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:25] roelof (i=0@cc1248470-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:25] the thing I remember is not to put any settings in rc.wireless.conf [13:25] yeah [13:25] i created a blank one [13:25] we'll see shortly :P [13:25] hello, i did a reinstall and forget to install the kde -files of the dvd [13:26] is there a way i can install the kde files now ? [13:26] roelof: yes, using installpkg(8) [13:26] oh and mount(8) [13:26] back [13:27] Maybe you guys will have a clue on my issue [13:27] All of a sudden, I can't boot into graphical login. [13:27] mr. Mustard did it. [13:27] with the SlackHammer [13:27] It just goes to a blank screen with a blinking cursor. [13:27] now i can move on to smaller issues...like the scrolling effect in the terminal that makes things like cat /var/log/messages take 10 seconds to finish [13:27] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:27] dive: LOL slackhammer ftw! [13:27] If I boot to console login, and switch to the right runlevel, graphical login works fine. [13:28] zaltekk, which terminal? [13:28] dive: the default one. [13:28] Motoko-chan: weird. [13:28] hmm [13:28] non-x [13:28] driver? [13:28] default? vesafb i guess [13:28] starting in 4 doesn't work, but starting in 3 and telling it to go to 4 does? [13:28] agentc0re, indeed [13:28] It isn't Slackware. [13:28] But I figured why not ask. [13:28] kde's kdm? [13:29] bp{k} i read the man page but i still don't get it [13:29] i'm going to guess... Gentoo [13:29] KDE 4.2's KDM [13:29] installpkg kde does nothing [13:30] zaltekk, sounds like a driver/card issue then - you could recompile kernel with the correct fb driver as a module and then modprobe it, and if that's any better put it in lilo.conf as a kernel param [13:30] installpkg has to be pointed at a packagename ending in .tgz [13:30] dive: i'll take a look into it in a little while [13:30] zaltekk, why the default slack kernels don't have fb drivers as modules so you can use them is anyone's guess [13:31] roelof: Why didn't you do a full install? [13:33] i did a full install but i say in the screen before it not to install kde [13:33] dive: it works now with a rc.wireless and no rc.wireless.conf [13:33] great [13:33] thanks for remembering that i might have deleted that :) [13:34] np [13:35] elderK (n=zk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [13:38] zaltekk, I just checked and he does say that he would like to see rc.wireless.conf removed [13:38] but doesn't mention rc.wireless [13:38] dive: correct. that my my assumption [13:38] ok brb [13:39] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "reboot" [13:39] my my = was my [13:39] hmm, i wonder if rc.wireless.conf has been preventing me from using wpa_supplicant [13:39] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [13:39] Pig_Pen: it shouldn't. [13:40] i try to install something and i fail because it can't find kde4-config [13:40] doesnt yours work better without it? 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[13:40] so i added back the script, but not the conf file [13:40] should be in /usr/bin/kde4-config [13:41] ah, ok [13:41] roelof: if its not.. then you're missing some kde4 fils possibly [13:41] the conf file seems ot be just for detecting different pc cards based on their hardware id, and adjusting wireless settings based off of that [13:42] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:42] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "laptopo" [13:43] Dominian, it's not there [13:43] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] much better :P [13:43] that's why i ask how to install kde from the install dvd [13:44] roelof: ohhhh [13:44] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Connection timed out [13:44] roelof: got into the kde/ directory [13:44] installpkg *.txz [13:45] *.tgz =) [13:45] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [13:46] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:46] he, it works [13:46] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [13:46] i made the error to do installpkg *.tgz [13:46] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.134.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] everyone have a good weekend [13:47] how root? [13:47] and thank you, Dominian [13:47] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-55-249.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:49] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-173.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:50] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [13:50] Can someone help me configure ALSA to use mic input from onboard audio but use output from my soundcard? [13:51] roelof (i=0@cc1248470-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [13:51] here's my LQ post explaining in detail: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/onboard-audio-hdaintel-for-mic-input-and-soundcard-ca0106-for-audio-output-739247/#post3603664 [13:51] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.134.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:51] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] i'm getting an error when start X [13:52] "Unable to contact the Wicd daemon due to an access denied from DBus. Please check your DBus configuration" [13:53] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-251-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:53] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-251-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] gtl: Maybe this will help: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/dbus-and-wicd-in-current64-737872/ [14:00] hello [14:00] someone know a alternate solution [14:00] for flashplayer 64 bits please [14:00] under slackware 64 [14:01] snowdonkey, thanks... will check that now [14:01] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.218.198) left irc: Client Quit [14:02] Found the cause of my odd issue. [14:02] It's speedboot. [14:03] Risperidon (n=risperid@189.115.215.58) joined ##slackware. [14:05] usus12jari (n=astronau@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [14:06] is Patrick Volkerding come here sometime ? [14:06] fredoslack, does flashplayer not work? [14:07] campassi, it's work very well [14:07] but it's not free [14:07] what's wrong then? [14:08] fredoslack: I don't think there's another 64-bit flash player besides the adobe one. [14:08] ok [14:08] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ [14:08] i will see the developpement of gnash [14:09] there u can find 64bit version [14:09] yes i've got it and it work very nice [14:09] but it's not very very free :( [14:09] theres not a good alternative [14:09] ok :( [14:09] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.134.94.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:10] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:10] patrick's distro is very nice i loove =) [14:11] Anyone know how to use one soundcard for mic input and another for audio output simultaneously? [14:11] snowdonkey, i don't know :( [14:12] beep beep [14:12] snowdonkey, yours 2 cards are detected ? [14:13] fredoslack: Yep. [14:13] snowdonkey, perhaps look with kde [14:13] audio system ? [14:13] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] fredoslack: I did play around with those settings, but nothing's worked yet. [14:14] fredoslack: It seems like there can only be 1 card working at a time, but I'm not sure. [14:14] daidoji (n=daidoji7@c-24-20-216-14.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:15] i'me not sure too [14:15] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:15] i'me not sure with my english too lol [14:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425752.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:16] with my language * [14:16] edman007, uganda clickpop says the pony is on the way with united courrier service [14:16] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-22-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:16] \o/ [14:16] tracking number #8hf32981174j [14:16] sweet [14:17] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Action: edman007 finds a site to enter the tracking number [14:17] snowdonkey, [14:17] haha [14:17] and with alsaconf ? [14:18] if you dont get pony in 4 days he may be dead [14:18] nix_chix0r, "1- Sorry, Record 8hf32981174j not found. Please enter a valid tracking #, or Check in later for Updates. Thank you!" [14:18] http://www.unitedcouriers.net/ucs/tracking.asp [14:18] damnit [14:18] they say they don't know about it! [14:18] they must have given me the wrong one! [14:18] :( [14:18] they liee [14:19] fredoslack: I think I'll have to change ALSA, but I don't know what [14:20] :s [14:20] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:21] fredoslack: I have no idea where to begin allowing 2 cards to co-exist in the same session. :-/ [14:21] nix_chix0r, i got bitterant in my mouth, it tastes terrible [14:21] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-29-126.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:21] snowdonkey, make a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ [14:21] and i'm trying to help a kernel dev track down a booting problem...i'm booting with a serial console! [14:21] that sets out the aliases for both cards [14:22] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [14:22] nix_chix0r, anyways, i'm going to be in Atlantic city next week...is that going to cause problems with the pony shipping? [14:23] edman007: put $5 on black for me, please. [14:23] dive: Ok, but shouldn't it work w/o aliases by specifying the devices directly in my programs? [14:23] mack_the_knife (i=1000@174.42.217.162) joined ##slackware. [14:24] snowdonkey, maybe some progs would work but I think you need to alias them with alsa first [14:24] antler, lol, i got no money...i might go into a casino, but i don't know.... [14:24] snowdonkey, sorry i would like help you more [14:24] edman007: you going on holiday? [14:24] dive: Ok, I'll try this. [14:24] fredoslack: it's all good. :) [14:24] but 15 years without learning english [14:25] fredoslack: What's your first language? [14:25] antler, eh...kinda, i've been on an extended vacation since May.... [14:25] snowdonkey, french [14:25] snowdonkey, I'll pastebin my /etc/modprobe.d/sound so you can see how it works [14:25] snowdonkey, je me débrouille mieux an français lol [14:25] dive: Ah, thank you very much. [14:25] antler, but i think i'm going to kinda just spend the week by the beach.... [14:26] edman007, naw [14:26] and play blackjack [14:26] snowdonkey, http://pastebin.ca/1491912 [14:26] edman007: leave the lappy at home [14:26] fredoslack: French is a good language to know, I haven't studied any of it myself unfortunately. [14:26] antler, no [14:26] hahah [14:26] dive: I see. [14:27] snowdonkey, it's more complicated than english :( [14:27] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.173.181) joined ##slackware. [14:28] dive: Values that are aliased in your example, are those the relevant modules in /proc/modules? [14:28] antler, I MUST at least check my email twice daily...so i'm bringing the laptop for that, but i'll try to keep it in the hotel [14:29] fredoslack: Really!? English to me seems pretty hacked together... :) [14:29] ^^ [14:29] yes really =) [14:30] Now I may never study French, lo. [14:30] snowdonkey, they are [14:30] lol [14:30] lool [14:30] dive: Ok, so mine would be snd_hda_intel and snd_ca0106. [14:30] snowdonkey, I would think so [14:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:31] snowdonkey, i've had problem depends kernel [14:31] but with video [14:32] huge didn't work [14:32] but hugesmp work [14:32] worked [14:33] brb [14:33] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:34] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:36] edman007: unplug. soak the rays. lie on your back on the beach and wait for some chicks to laugh at your hardon when they walk by; it's a conversation starter. :P [14:36] antler, yea...i will [14:36] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:37] wear wetsuit thermals under your board shorts. It will help 'control' erratic moments of excitation. [14:37] except it they are policewomen [14:37] o0 [14:37] there's nothing illegal about a boner showing as long as it's inside your pants [14:37] you get that excited surfing? [14:37] at least not in CA [14:37] dive: it's not for surfing [14:38] antiwire> wear wetsuit thermals under your 'board shorts' [14:38] ....for edman007 [14:38] on the beach... [14:38] someone know the date of slackware 13 ? [14:38] of the stable release [14:38] date of birth unkown [14:38] Arenics (n=Arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:39] antiwire, but i don't have a wetsuit.... [14:39] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [14:39] ... [14:39] hot policewomen give me a boner [14:39] fredoslack, R.I.P. date of the founder? [14:39] wetsuit thermals are not a wetsuit [14:39] fredoslack, grab rc1, test it out, supply bugs (if you find any), and date will be that much sooner [14:39] antiwire, well i don't have them, because i think they are for wetsuits [14:39] ok thanks [14:39] well they aren't just ofr wetsuits [14:40] will be it July 13th ? [14:40] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@205.172.16.96) joined ##slackware. [14:40] could anyone help me out with changing the settings so that .asx/.pls open in xine rather than inside firefox? [14:40] causality or casuality? [14:40] 13/13/2013 [14:40] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] antiwire, whatever, i still don't have them [14:42] and right now, i'm still poor [14:42] http://mashable.com/2009/07/10/imageshack-hacked/ [14:42] lol [14:42] speaking of being poor, i got to go get a lottery ticket! [14:42] man.. if I could win the lottery.... [14:42] :) [14:42] you put these under either a wetsuit or board shorts for better thermal retention and support. like a jock strap for water sports http://www.ripcurl.com/index.php?id=144,1948,0,0,1,0 [14:43] JosephK (i=Light@210.sub-75-196-66.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [14:43] hiya all [14:43] they're also nice to wear under board shorts when you go to a water park...bit more padding [14:43] hi JosephK [14:43] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-187.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Got a question: Is there a command I can use that will free up a serial port that was NOT closed by a crashing application? So far, my only method as been to reboot.. The serial port is not useable after this particular app crashes (It's an alpha) without a reboot.. Is there something I can fire off from a shell prompt that will release/reset/otherwise free up the serial port?? [14:45] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] what application? [14:45] See, my programmer has not put in any signal handling yet [14:45] look for the lock file - probably in /var/lock [14:45] antiwire it's a custom made to order app that interfaces a barcode terminal with a serial port [14:45] JosephK: kafka fan? :D [14:45] I am! Thanks for noticing! [14:46] Very few people get the reference [14:46] kafka? bug guy? [14:46] i quite liked 'the trial' [14:46] Very good antler [14:46] It is more modern day than ever [14:46] zaltekk: yeah, 'metamorphosis' [14:46] yep, that's the one [14:47] Franz Kafka... a VERY underrated author [14:47] The trial is a PERFECT representation of the American justice system of today [14:47] i've only heard of him in school [14:47] zaltekk: gregor samsa must have had unsettling dreams for he woke up transformed into a giant vermin. <---- how do you resist that opener? :D [14:47] zaltekk BUY HIS BOOKS [14:47] you will love them [14:47] he was SO ahead of his time [14:47] JosephK: have you read amerika yet? [14:47] avoid "Franz Kafka" brand of wine in the Czech Rep., very bad wine [14:48] i've halfway read the metamorphosis [14:48] You know... I haven't [14:48] I really should [14:48] JosephK: it's funny :) [14:48] Will check it out [14:48] so if I were to remove the lock file, that would free up the port?? [14:50] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-231.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:50] what lock file? [14:51] . [14:51] adobe flash 64 keeps crashing firefox in slack64... not sure what to do [14:52] campassi: nspluginwrapper and 32bit flash [14:53] although i've never had flash64 crash on any of my systems. [14:53] JosephK: if a lock file is created, yes [14:54] alisonken1church thanks! [14:54] flash64 works very nice under my slack64 [14:55] i'll check that out [14:55] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:56] Action: antler asks alisonken1church for some holy water. [14:57] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] Action: alisonken1church would give antler some if he was catholic :) [15:01] installed flashblock. hehe. easy solution [15:01] the powerball lottery is up to 38 million, if someone wins that they get about half after the government robs them [15:02] depends on how you invest your winnings, but yeah, Uncle Sam does need help :) [15:02] campassi: try flash in seamonkey, it handles plugins better than firefox [15:02] And don't forget you _can_ designate your tax dollars when pay [15:03] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [15:03] the irs should be abolished, they are no better than mafia style extortion [15:04] irish republican sarmy? [15:04] Pig_Pen: then how are they going to enforce their receipts so they can pay for all o fthose social programs for illegal aliens? [15:05] they can go get a real job if they need money [15:05] what - and force politicians to _do_ their job? [15:06] mack_the_knife (i=1000@174.42.217.162) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] alisonken1church: linode++ [15:07] :) [15:07] :) [15:07] mailserver is FLYING [15:07] cool [15:07] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [15:07] _HAKERA_ (n=LAMERIII@77-85-68-164.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:07] <_HAKERA_> hi [15:08] hey [15:08] <_HAKERA_> how can i uninstall/remove flash player [15:08] hi _HAKERA_ [15:08] <_HAKERA_> :)))))))))))) [15:08] remove the plugin from your browser [15:08] <_HAKERA_> from where? about:plugins? or............. [15:09] hello _HAKERA_ [15:09] _HAKERA_: if you didn't install it as a slackware package, then just delete the plugin from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [15:09] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:09] for firefox, it would be in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/firefox*/plugins [15:09] or where ever your browser keeps plugins [15:09] or ~/.mozilla/plugins [15:09] in your own directory :} [15:09] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [15:10] <_HAKERA_> yes, it is not from package [15:10] <_HAKERA_> 10x [15:10] locate libflashplayer.so and remove it [15:10] <_HAKERA_> root@darkstar:~# ls -ls /usr/lib/fi [15:10] <_HAKERA_> finch/ firefox/ firefox-2.0.0.14/ firefox-3.0.11/ firefox-3.0.3/ firefox-3.0.4/ firefox-3.0.7/ [15:10] <_HAKERA_> mozilla is only 1, but firefox.......... [15:11] <_HAKERA_> libflashplayer.so is in every ot this directories......... [15:11] <_HAKERA_> delete from all ? [15:11] delete is from them all [15:11] <_HAKERA_> ok [15:11] <_HAKERA_> 10x :) [15:12] 10.5x ;) [15:12] i have this in one only directory [15:12] <_HAKERA_> but i have a lot ot dirs.... [15:13] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] <_HAKERA_> now i use firefox 3.5, but don`t have dir for him....... [15:13] <_HAKERA_> so [15:13] i'ts better stay in the home repository :) [15:13] <_HAKERA_> which is better :) [15:13] <_HAKERA_> gnash or gplflash? :) [15:14] <_HAKERA_> ? i can understand this fredoslack [15:14] i think they both fail equally for recent web content on a desktop [15:14] _HAKERA_, i have installed libflashplayer.so [15:14] in my home [15:15] it's cleaner [15:15] <_HAKERA_> may be........ [15:15] <_HAKERA_> root@darkstar:~# ls -ls /home/stomanata/.mozilla/firefox/ [15:15] <_HAKERA_> total 24 [15:15] Channel flood from _HAKERA_ -- kicking [15:15] <_HAKERA_> 4 drwx------ 2 stomanata users 4096 2009-07-01 20:22 Crash Reports [15:15] _HAKERA_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:15] _HAKERA_ (n=LAMERIII@77-85-68-164.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:15] <_HAKERA_> 4 drwx------ 8 stomanata users 4096 2009-07-11 22:18 zsn9dtsa.default [15:15] <_HAKERA_> root@darkstar:~# [15:15] <_HAKERA_> sorry about this flod [15:15] <_HAKERA_> i don`t have dir plugins in my home dir..... [15:16] :) [15:17] Risperidon- (n=risperid@189.115.208.107) joined ##slackware. [15:17] <_HAKERA_> Which is better? gnash or gplflash? [15:18] jelezar try them and u ll have self vision [15:18] _HAKERA_, i search too, 64 bits [15:18] _HAKERA_, are there more? [15:18] <_HAKERA_> more what? [15:18] see it in wikipedia [15:19] <_HAKERA_> ok. i`ll see :) [15:19] wikipedia is your friend lol [15:20] must be my lucky day, i found a 1921 silver dollar in a box that contained a bunch of my father's old junk [15:20] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.209.134) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [15:20] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.96.169) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Pig_Pen: lucky day indeed [15:20] <_HAKERA_> heheheheh [15:20] cool Pig_Pen! i bet it's real silver. [15:21] <_HAKERA_> i have bg coins from 1888 [15:21] yup, solid silver, it makes that cool old coin sound when it drops on a table or flip the coin [15:23] <_HAKERA_> test it on white wall :) [15:23] <_HAKERA_> but after this your mom will kill you :d [15:24] <_HAKERA_> hm. no info for gplflash, but for gnash they say, that gnash is developed from the GPLFlash project. :)))))) [15:24] Action: agentc0re doesn't think Pig_Pen lives with dear old mum. [15:25] i own the wall, i can do anything i want to this house, but i dont need to test it to know what real silver coins look like [15:25] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] its a morgan dollar, too bad it isnt a peace dollar those are worth lots more money [15:26] googled it [15:26] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [15:26] its worth about 20 bucks [15:26] Risperidon (n=risperid@189.115.215.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [15:29] <_HAKERA_> :) [15:29] <_HAKERA_> only 1 coin? [15:30] just the one, it was inside a gun cleaning kit [15:30] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "[BX] Check out the sexy BitchX pr0n at http://127.0.0.1/bx-pron.html" [15:32] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [15:32] Dominian: Apparently, LIlo and at least the 32-bit grub compiled for slackware is not raid aware. That appears to be the problem with my server [15:33] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "I'm leaving" [15:33] or at least part of the problem [15:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-151-207.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-149-228.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:35] alisonken1church: ouch [15:37] don't know why it would be an issue since I don't have a raid setup, but that appears to be the indicator [15:38] if you have a raid interface, it looks like grub/lilo have to be raid aware to properly boot [15:38] I even tried using extlinux :) [15:43] http://imagebin.org/55600 (rated G) [15:44] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.47) joined ##slackware. [15:45] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [15:48] oz_ (n=chatzill@86.124.194.114) joined ##slackware. [15:48] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [15:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:49] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Client Quit [15:49] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. 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[15:59] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [15:59] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:00] hi all [16:00] hi [16:00] hi [16:00] ho [16:00] HOOOWWWWDDYYYY DOOOOOO [16:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:01] hitest (i=hitest@h24-207-29-70.dlt.dccnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:02] Hi gtl [16:03] 'sup fire|bird > [16:03] antiwire: I built 2.6.30.1 today, got the latest nvidia drivers for my card, and everything works great, effects and all. [16:03] gtl: just listening to some music, gonna be afk for a little. How about you? [16:05] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:06] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.48) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [16:06] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] mmm password-less ssh logins [16:07] Action: yesyes looks at the wiki for the first time [16:07] ssh keys [16:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h27n6c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:08] aye [16:08] Action: gtl is rebooting, brb! [16:08] I am having the WORST trouble getting this program to start from /etc/rc.d/rc.local. It is an alpha, written in pascal. It has NO provisions to run as a background process, so I have been starting it from the shell prompt using screen -L -d -m and that starts it just fine. Yet, i can't seem to get THAT to work from /etc/rc.d/rc.local (and yes, rc.local IS called from rc.M and IS executable..) Any suggestions?? [16:08] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [16:08] rworkman, 3.0.2 seems to fix my issue [16:08] virtualbox 3.0.2 that is [16:10] APIC: fixed high idle load for certain Linux guests (3.0 regression) [16:10] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [16:11] JosephK: can't answer your question, unfortunately. but what do you mean when you say it has no provisions to run as a bg process? [16:12] Well, it is a console program.. In order for it to run in the background, you have to put a & in the command line... [16:12] JosephK, it works from screen command as a user? Does it also work for root (since rc.local is called with root privs)? [16:12] dive yes [16:12] I am running it AS root [16:13] ok [16:13] JosephK: i know how to run a program as a bg process. i was wondering what you mean when you say it has no provisions to do that. [16:13] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:14] well some programs run automatically in the background.. Daemon's for instance... [16:14] This isn't one of them [16:14] Though the programmer is going to work on that... [16:14] In the mean time, I need a work around [16:14] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:15] uht oh [16:15] ruh roh [16:15] I promise I didn't do it [16:15] I'm having difficulties installing ati drivers, need some help [16:16] I'm going to use a keyfile as means to open a luks encrypted partition, If I set it up with a password to begin with, and then add a keyfile to the same partition.. will it then use the keyfile if it finds it, and the password if it don't? [16:16] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.59.47: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: ghostscript | -current is now 13.0rc1 | we now have slack for ARM, feeling the heat debian? :) [16:16] JosephK: i'm not entirely sure i understand your problem. as i would simply suggest you run theprogramname & from within rc.local and then run /etc/rc.local [16:17] and that seems a little too easy [16:18] slack for arm, cool! [16:18] gtl, what problems? [16:18] plee, proprietary drivers won't install [16:18] what error? [16:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:20] hold [16:20] radeon seems to work ok [16:20] will fire up X and log irc from there [16:20] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [16:21] nachox: er.. what changed in the topic? [16:21] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [16:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:22] Dominian, arm [16:22] eh [16:22] wasn't that there before...? [16:22] don't think so [16:22] no [16:22] arm just got added to the site a few days ago [16:23] JosephK, what actually happens with that screen command in rc.local? Any errors? Or it starts but you can't attach to it later? [16:24] doesn't start at all? [16:25] or screen starts but the prog doesn't? [16:27] anthing in rc.local will run as root [16:27] keep that in mind [16:27] yeah I mentioned that [16:28] one option is to put the command in roots ~/.screenrc [16:28] or better still make a new .screenrc- and use the -c switch [16:29] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:29] back [16:29] front [16:30] anyone wanna go sideways? [16:32] nachox, out of interest, which irc app do you use? I ask because changing long topics is a pain in Irssi. Or have you some trick for that? [16:33] no errors no screen [16:33] thinking environment variables [16:33] maybe [16:34] full path to screen? [16:34] and pascal program [16:34] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "brb" [16:34] /topic copy, paste and change! [16:34] aka /usr/bin/screen -L -d -m /path/to/pascal [16:35] dive: for adding stuff, like nachox just did, there's /topicappend, and there's also one to remove as well, but I can't remember it. :P [16:35] yesyes, try that when it wraps several lines - you get blank spaces too [16:35] h3nry (n=h3nry@unaffiliated/h3nry) left irc: [16:36] dive, yeah..left [16:36] oh [16:37] fire|bird, I have no /topicappend [16:37] unless there's a script for it [16:37] isn't there any luks guru that can help me? hehe [16:37] floyy (i=skmydk@unaffiliated/floyy) joined ##slackware. [16:38] dive: there's also /topicprepend, which does the same thing. [16:38] dive: no, no script, it's a chanserv command. [16:38] not here there isn't [16:38] ah /msg chanserv ... [16:38] how do I check x-org version? [16:39] dive: yup, I just checked that myself. sorry. :P [16:39] anteater_sa (n=adam@host86-137-195-26.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] gtl, look in pkgtool or /var/log/packages/ [16:39] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] dive, thanks [16:43] the church of subgenius always cheers me up [16:43] Next SubGenius holiday: July 16 The Display of the Embarrassing Swimsuits [16:43] i'm getting a package named xorg-server-1.6.1-i486-2 [16:43] is this it? [16:43] that'll be it [16:44] 60 pound catfish caught just down the road a ways from here, some jokers "noodling" thats a dangerous way to fish [16:44] h3nry (n=h3nry@unaffiliated/h3nry) joined ##slackware. [16:45] hehe [16:45] wait til they catch a snapping turtle [16:46] yup, good way to lose a finger or a few [16:46] anteater_sa (n=adam@host86-137-195-26.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "anteater_sa has no reason" [16:46] I won't be doing it anytime soon [16:47] i wont do it at all, ever, if i cant catch it with a fishing pole i dont want it, not that bad [16:47] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@205.172.16.96) left irc: "Leaving" [16:49] Nick change: Elektro_{OFF}_ -> Elektro_{-_-}_ [16:51] person (n=ed@92.2.167.157) joined ##slackware. [16:57] can anyone explain and help me fix why my slackware laptop get direct rendering but a ubuntu live cd will? [16:57] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) [16:58] stealth-: how old is this laptop? [16:59] person (n=ed@92.2.167.157) left ##slackware. [17:00] pretty old, enough to have copyright 2000 on it [17:00] its a dell latitude C600 [17:00] Pig_Pen: ^ [17:00] skepsi (n=kvirc@gprs6.vodafone.cz) joined ##slackware. [17:01] i know something you could try, it will either work better or completely destroy your laptop, [17:02] you are slepping ? [17:02] hu hu [17:02] i have an old laptop about that old, i did not bother to install Xorg on it, i just run console apps on it [17:02] sleeping * [17:03] Pig_Pen: wait, what? destrory? 0_0 [17:03] stealth-: you could try X -configure, then follow the instructions it prints on the screen (do it from the console) [17:04] okay, it tells me to run X -config /root/xorg.conf.new to test the server [17:04] yes, destroy the video, at least that is what one guy said it did, but then again it could have been ready to blow out anyway [17:04] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:04] when you say destroy, do you mean unable to fix? cause I would like to avoid that :/ [17:06] okay, running the test command started X in a very low resolution. [17:06] well, I think it started. Its just sitting at a cursor and a blank screen [17:07] try this: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/old.xorg.conf then cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf then see if it works [17:08] Dominian, the arm thing [17:08] its blank because it did not launch a window manager [17:08] nachox: already figured that out ;P [17:08] lool [17:08] JosephK (i=Light@210.sub-75-196-66.myvzw.com) left ##slackware ("Cheers!"). [17:09] hey! [17:09] working good? [17:09] Pig_Pen, you are awesome :) [17:09] :D [17:09] i would prefer have obama than sarko lol [17:09] oh, man, I thought I was gonna end up install gentoo or debian. This rocks. It was so simple, too. hehe, thanks a bunch :D [17:09] guys, any tips installing ati proprietary drivers on slackware-current? [17:10] thar be dragons gtl [17:11] Dominian, like it? :P [17:11] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] thought so... [17:12] i thought ati drivers were open sourced now gtl ? [17:12] there's the open source radeon [17:13] which is configured automatically with # xorgsetup [17:13] brb [17:13] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:14] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [17:17] skepsi (n=kvirc@gprs6.vodafone.cz) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:19] good eveing good slackers :-) [17:19] heya macavity [17:19] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) joined ##slackware. [17:19] macavity: welcome back [17:23] FZR0 (i=FZR0@cpe-72-178-207-47.stx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] so, what about 'em Lakers? [17:25] i rode a horse... [17:26] was it good? if so, for you or the horse? [17:26] thats better than the horse riding you! [17:27] Pig_Pen: one might ague that that depends on certain preferences ;-) [17:27] actually the horse chose to ignore me... and went really slow not responding to my attempts to make it fo faster [17:27] o.0 [17:27] this wasn't a sexual interaction... [17:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.48) joined ##slackware. [17:27] cadmium: did you forget the forplay? :P [17:27] cadmium: (read: to give it a treat *before* you demanded it to work) [17:28] once when i was a kid i got on top of a horse and then it proceded to walk under some low hanging tree branches and it used them to get me off its back [17:28] apparently the horse decided i was an idiot... and chose to ignore all my signals to break into a run [17:29] riding a horse is much different than using a computer.. the horse is alive.. and has to agree with you... [17:29] he can agree with your whip [17:30] i suppose the horse must be convinced [17:31] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.48) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-117-100.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:32] who has a shortware/hf radio, pirates are on 6925KHz right now USB [17:32] that reminded me of the old song White Horse by Laid Back [17:32] pirates? [17:33] ok, here is a fun exercise for everyone who has both a built in wifi and a USB connectable wifi: 1) remove the USB one. 2) ifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 hw ether mac-address-of-the-usb-unit && ifconfig wlan0 up. 3) plug in the USB wifi device [17:34] that is, hands down, the most spetacular kernel oops i have *ever* seen :P [17:34] what happens? [17:34] what happens ? [17:34] What happen? [17:34] I dont have built in :( [17:34] I only have built in. [17:34] wanna trade? [17:35] it cuts power to both the screen backlight and the HDD, then freezes [17:35] no error message or anything [17:35] lol, awesome [17:35] i suspect that you cant do it with a wired NIC too [17:36] i just dont feel like investigating right now ;-) [17:36] me neither.... [17:36] hi there, macavity [17:36] and i especially dont like the sound the HDD makes when it emergency parks... [17:36] hello gtl [17:38] macavity: why would you want to do that?! [17:38] yesyes: because i like to watch the purty fireworks? [17:38] heh, okay. [17:38] i seen slackware lock up when i plugged in a usb thumbdrive while the monitor was in sleep mode, it would not wake up and both the keyboard & mouse was unresponsive [17:38] yesyes: actually it was an accident.. i was fooling around with aircrack-ng [17:39] Pig_Pen: when I first got slackware, every time I opened one of the built-in terminal emulator apps, it completely froze the system [17:39] Pig_Pen: I had to avoid that one [17:40] stealth-: what that 12.1? [17:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:40] was [17:40] 12.2 im on, I think [17:40] Action: macavity has jittery fingers today [17:40] when i updated to current x froze the system a couple of times. [17:40] odd.. there was a known bug with Terminal [17:40] on 12.1 that is [17:40] well, im on the latest version. [17:40] because i didn't install xkb i think. [17:40] the only terminal i seen act funny was xfce's Terminal, it seemed a little wired, not totally freezing just sluggish [17:41] weird* [17:41] it has exhibited both hangs, sluggish behaviour and x crashes.. so i figured it might as well go the full mile and take the kernel down while it was at it :P [17:42] also, does anyone know of a way to install x without the cd? the only way i could think of meant dling all the packages from the x series and installing them all. [17:42] no wait.. the "Terminal hang" was due to a foolish assumption about login shells and interactive shells [17:42] yesyes: slacpkg --install x/ [17:42] yesyes: then filter out the ones you dont want when presented with the menu [17:43] *slackpkg [17:43] err.. s/--// [17:43] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] slackpkg install x/ [17:43] no matches on my system for x/ [17:44] slackpkg install x [17:44] better yet.. read the manpage, as i obviously cant remember a thing right now :P [17:44] FZR0 (i=FZR0@cpe-72-178-207-47.stx.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:45] a-ha thx macavity [17:46] if you are on -current you should probably run slackpkg update first [17:47] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:47] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [17:48] yeah i do that. slackpkg is great. it's made slack much less hassle. [17:49] it just needs to tell me what dependencies i need and it'll be perfect ;) [17:50] anyone happen to have installed "Return to Castle Wolfenstein: ET" on slackware64-current? Apparently it's supposed to work with fred's compat32 libs. [17:51] Action: macavity shows yesyes a very large, yet rather blunt, fire axe full of dried blood [17:51] yesyes: you were saying? :P [17:51] hehe [17:52] heh [17:52] this delicately sensitive and ultra advanced reprogramming tool is what we call The Clue Axe :P [17:52] who needs a thorough reprogramming? [17:52] chopp: yes [17:53] chopp: in wine, or is there a native client? [17:53] but, wouldnt it be nice, eh? [17:53] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:53] native client [17:53] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:54] yesyes: no. seriously... having dependency information in the package format is *hell on earth* [17:54] chopp: wfm [17:54] chopp: nice.. its a reasonably modern game, isnt it? [17:54] BP{k}: et-linux-2.60.x86.run ? [17:55] macavity, RTCW is at least 6 years old [17:55] macavity: not sure how old it is. I had it installed previously on x86, and liked it. [17:55] chopp: et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run && et-linux-2.60-update.x86.run [17:56] BP{k}: allright, I'll look into that, thx [17:56] john_dee (n=id@93-81-118-43.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [17:56] macavity: i was thinking about using ldd to gain the required libs for a packages, and finding the slack packages which contain those lib files. [17:56] isnt "Mirinda" an orange sodapop? [17:57] yesyes: i have a script that does that... it is slow as hell though.. [17:57] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:57] macavity: cos it need to look through all of /var/log/packages/* ? [17:57] oh wait.. it only works on installed shit :P [17:58] i always run full installs [17:58] i developed it for the libx11-xcb.[so/la] mess [17:59] yeah, i was thinking about using the data gained from a script similar to your to add an entry into the slackbuild file, so slackpkg could tell the user that package also needs these files. [17:59] Action: BP{k} gibbsslaps yesyes [18:00] no. bad bad yesyes .. no cookies. [18:00] heh, so sensitive! [18:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.46) left irc: [18:02] Action: dive shoots yesyes [18:02] yesyes: i like it the way it is: slackware official packages have a good balance among the compiletime-optional dependencies.. and with SBo packages *i* get to choose [18:02] oops sorry, sensitive trigger finger [18:02] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-252.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] anyone know how I could get startx to use a different configuration file? [18:03] but only some of the time, like, when I choose [18:03] look at the startx script and see if it passes cli options [18:03] cli options for what? do those control the X options? [18:03] I saw that, but I wasnt sure what it was arugements for [18:04] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.47) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:04] are you running as init 3 or init 4? [18:04] (runlevel) [18:04] if you run as runlevel 4 (graphical boot login), then you have to look at a different area [18:04] im not sure :/ I think its 3, the one with the non-graphical login [18:04] yeah [18:05] i know a crude trick to make xorg use whatever xorg.conf is in each user's home dir ~/ by making xorg.conf a symlink that points to ~/xorg.conf then each user account can have their own [18:05] ok - then start with looking at startx and see about passing an argument to startx that you can use to change the X config file to use [18:05] Nick change: Elektro_{-_-}_ -> Elektro_{OFF}_ [18:05] stealth-: you mean a different xorg.conf or logging in to a differen WM/DE? [18:06] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] macavity: yeah, fair enough. the slackware way of doing things, i.e. doing a full install, does seem to negate the need to have apt style dependency checking. but when you don't do a full install you're left in the lurch somewhat. [18:06] stealth-: xinit /path/to/other/xinitrc-style-file [18:06] well, I got direct rendering to work, at an increadibly low resolution only. So, I only want to use the direct rendering enabled conf when I specify. [18:06] ah, ok [18:06] pic (n=pic@78-3-234-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [18:06] never mind them [18:06] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-251-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:07] pic (n=pic@78-3-234-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [18:07] yesyes: if you dont follow "doctrine" you are expected to learn ;-) [18:07] heh [18:07] and seriously, it isnt *that* hard on [18:07] especially since we dont have gnome [18:08] if it has "part of the X.org distribution" in the package description it is probably a good idea to install it [18:09] then afterwards you go over the xf86-input-* and xf86-video-* packages and ditch the ones you ont like [18:10] after that it is pretty much just big-ass-packages like xfce/fubarbox/twm or the entire kde/ dir [18:10] yeah, it's not a huge problem as long as you don't diverge from what pat supplies. i started using arch for that reason--to have access to loads of new and shiny packages. but i came back, after those shiny packages started to ruin my system. [18:10] oh, I fixed it :) [18:10] \o/ [18:10] rolling releases: breakage when THEY want it :P [18:10] stealth-: did you specify the right driver? ;-P [18:11] macavity: well, like I said, direct rendering refuses to run in high resolution modes, so I have a script for gaming and one for having a high resolution :) [18:11] s/script/config [18:11] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] stealth-: what GPU is that? [18:12] 00:10.1 Communication controller: 3Com Corporation Mini PCI 56k Winmodem (rev 10) [18:12] oh, opps. wrong line [18:12] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) [18:13] :) [18:13] fglrx? [18:13] or what the heck its name is [18:13] whats that? [18:13] the propietary driver from ATI [18:14] no, I havnt found a proirity driver for my chipset, despite my furious googling [18:14] oh wait.. Rage Mobility.. thats the mach64 driver? [18:14] :S [18:14] you just set it to "ati" in xorg.conf and it will pick the right one [18:14] but you should be able to see in /var/log/Xorg.0.log which one it loads [18:14] ah, yeah thats what it is set as in both configs [18:15] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] i wonder why it wont do DRI at high resolution [18:15] does the log say anything terribly important? [18:15] me too. :( [18:16] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:16] i've looked through it and no, it just says disabling direct rendering or something similar [18:16] have you considered grepping though the mail arcives from the dev mailing list? [18:16] perhaps they dont know it [18:16] i have an older laptop with an ati mach64 mobility it is a really sucky graphics chip [18:17] Im getting a new one soon [18:17] Pig_Pen: actually i think its the driver that sucks [18:17] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: No route to host [18:17] i've gotten like 5 laptops this year, but they are all really old [18:17] :/ [18:17] Pig_Pen: i belive it does reasonably fast tile blitting and such [18:17] once I download the eduke32 shareware file I need, where do i put it? 0_) [18:17] *0_0 [18:18] that chip sucks enough that i did not install xorg and just run it as a console system, the generic VESA framebuffer runs great on it [18:18] stealth-: where does the docs say to unpack it? :P [18:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:18] hey guys [18:19] btw, has any of you tried Savage2 on linux? [18:19] is this disk moutable or dead [18:19] http://pastebin.ca/1492047 ? [18:19] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:19] macavity: I didn't read, I installed it via sbopkg [18:20] I/O error, dev sdc, sector 0 [18:20] that looks rather toasted :-/ [18:20] hahah that looks like what happens to one of my disks, which is quite dead [18:21] macavity, what can my friend try ? fdisk -l ? [18:21] macavity, what can my friend try ? fdisk -l /dev/sdc ? [18:21] Agiofws: That's a US drive? [18:21] USB* [18:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Agiofws: he can try getting a new disk and start downloading all that prøn again [18:21] Agiofws: is it a flash device or a hard disk? [18:21] antiwire, its an IDE drive inside a usb case [18:22] stealth-: check for README in /usr/doc/ and/or any accompanying files from sbo [18:22] Agiofws: ok, step 1. remove the drive from the USB case [18:22] Agiofws: Step 2. plug the drive into a system using its native interface [18:22] Agiofws: do not try ot mount the drive yet [18:22] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.47) joined ##slackware. [18:22] bash: fdisk -l /dev/sdc: No such file or directory [18:22] MidnightDevil (n=root@85.139.229.170) joined ##slackware. [18:22] hi :( [18:22] ok [18:22] Agiofws: stop talking and start listening [18:22] i just downloaded slack 12.2, how can i install nvidia drivers? [18:22] MidnightDevil: you should not be IRC'ing as root... [18:23] i will change asap, i just need to get this done [18:23] MidnightDevil (n=root@85.139.229.170) left ##slackware. [18:23] antiwire, any other suggestions ? [18:23] this guy has a laptop at the moment [18:24] he is probably digging something up for you [18:24] Agiofws: If the drive still reports that Sector 0 is trashed, it's usually a game over. [18:24] is sector 0 the MBR ? [18:24] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Agiofws: you can try using foremost but that depends on the disk being accessible still. [18:24] foremost ? [18:25] it was a win95 disk as he says [18:25] once you get the case opened you can see what brand it is.. so you can try and see if the manufacturer has some DOS bootdisk-based tool [18:25] so if he has a laptop there is no luck in him mounting it right ? [18:26] oh, wow, eduke32 works! [18:26] Agiofws: He really needs to hook the drive up using its native interface because USB does not allow full ATA work to be done [18:26] thank god for direct rendering [18:26] if you can get the disk out and it's a standard laptop IDE drive, there's an adapter so you can plug it into your desktop IDE chain [18:26] <_budo> the hardest part about linux is gettin it installed huh? [18:26] _budo: since when? [18:26] I've had external drives where the controller is dead. [18:26] <_budo> its a question [18:26] So, it's possible the drive inside is fine. [18:26] _budo: installation is easy - setup and personalization is hard [18:27] _budo: some distrobutions of linux make it really easy, like ubuntu and such [18:27] <_budo> k [18:27] Agreed. Install is fairly straightforward. [18:27] It's getting it all customized for you where the real work is. [18:27] Windows has the same problem, really. [18:27] in slackware it is, however, required that you actually *read* the information that is presented to you on the screen [18:27] However, it's not as flexible, so you often can't get that much. [18:27] windows customizations? isn't that an oxymoron? [18:28] macavity, until you get really used to install [18:28] <_budo> old school guys are lucky because they have a head start in understanding this stuff [18:28] it does?! i just keep clicking next and ok until i can't any more [18:28] <_budo> they evolved with unix and the computer revolutions [18:28] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:29] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.47) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] _budo: that is usually the excuse i hear from impatient people who cant come to terms with the fact that technical documentation can not be read at the same speed as a dime novel/playboy magazine [18:29] _budo: theres a term called documentation (:O). i suggest you dive into it [18:29] unfair comparison - playboy has pictures and dime store novels dont [18:30] alisonken1church: both are still in the same order of magnitude faster to read than hard technical documentation [18:30] let's just say they keep your interest a little more :) [18:30] alisonken1church: as in, you can still read both in less than an afternoon... technical documentation can take weeks [18:30] _budo: What do you mean old school guys? I only started using Linux at about the time Redhat 5.0 released so I'm certainly not some old school Unix person. [18:31] reading is quick - it's the parsing and understanding that takes time [18:31] I can read documents fine [18:31] Action: Motoko-chan isn't old school either [18:31] I started at about RH 5.2 [18:31] Then dropped it until about Mandriva 7 or 8 [18:31] Didn [18:31] antiwire: I was using Linux before RH was a gleam in their eyes - and even then I was 30 years behnd the Unix guys [18:31] Didn't run full on desktops until about a year ago. [18:31] <_budo> old school meaning been in the game before linux inception [18:32] Motoko-chan: ^^^ [18:32] _budo: so then how do you explain everyone here that wasn't even born yet being quite Linux savvy? [18:32] antiwire: sorry - that was for Motoko-chan [18:32] _budo: UNIX was 5 years old when i was born :P [18:33] _budo: It sounds like a cop out to me, claiming that because you weren't using Unix style operating systems since they were released means it's more difficult. That is bullshit. [18:33] It's really familiarity. [18:33] <_budo> im not making excuses....unix/linux does take lot of patience [18:33] so does Windows Registry... [18:34] if you want to get advanced you gotta RTFM [18:34] as a side note - the guys that I work with are 30 years younger than me, but they still do things I'm learning about that I either a) didn't have a need to learn earlier or b) forgot I learned it 15 years ago [18:34] Linux takes a **lot** of patience especially if you are on the bleeding edge of developments. [18:34] Lots of broken things at that point. [18:34] It's like a Windows Beta. [18:34] windows registry is easy : you just give up >< [18:34] Camarade_Tux++ [18:34] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-92-106.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:35] the windows registry is the achille's heel of windows, it is made up of four files and if one of them gets corrupted its bye bye windows [18:35] _budo: just get over it and start reading.. you can always ask for good reading advice in here [18:36] _budo: personally i would start with www.slackbook.org if i were your [18:36] BP{k}: I'm getting the same results with this version. libGL.so.1 failed :P [18:36] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:36] <_budo> im reading now geez lol [18:36] Good(TM) [18:36] <_budo> i read 7 hrs a day [18:36] _budo: SO do alot of us [18:36] it's not enough tor read - you have to parse and understand what you read [18:36] by that metric you will speed past me in about 5.6 years or so [18:37] .. that is, if i bother to keep up with my current efforts [18:37] My handicap is I started reading SF/Fantasy novels in jr. high school. Unfortunately, it means I have to work harder now to parse manuals [18:37] floyy (i=skmydk@unaffiliated/floyy) left irc: [18:37] alisonken1church: what? [18:37] lol [18:37] But both are full of obscure terms and odd phrasings. [18:38] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [18:38] MidnightDevil (n=Dreamer@85.139.229.170) joined ##slackware. [18:38] hi, where can i get libpisync package ? [18:38] macavity: my early reading habits meant that as I read, I go off to lala land as entertaintment. when trying to understand something, I have to work at turning off the flights of fantasy [18:38] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [18:38] I don't have a very easy or fun time reading fiction but I can read manuals and technical write ups with a high level of understanding most of the time. [18:39] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] Whoa. I'm the opposite. [18:39] I'm just the opposite [18:39] heh [18:40] someone please? [18:40] alisonken1church: oh, i think that is just general creativity.. i suffer from the same thing [18:40] When I would take English courses that involved reading fiction I hated it. It was difficult and I never came to the conclusions that the teachers expected. That's different in technical writing. [18:40] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: Client Quit [18:40] MidnightDevil: did you browse through slackbuilds and see if there's a package for it? [18:40] I loved my technical writing classes and classes where the text was a manual. [18:41] O.o [18:41] alisonken1church: when i sense the urge to "wander off", i just put my finger in the book, or select the last dot with the mouse, and let my mind wander for a couple of secconds [18:41] hi all [18:41] doesnt show up with any results alisonken1church :( [18:41] hi gtl [18:42] alisonken1church: i focus really really hard.. but for short bursts at the time [18:42] macavity: my other problem is I have to have a target/objective when reading a manual in order to parse it properly. one thing that helped iwth python was pythonchallenge.com [18:42] crap... think i'll have to switch off slackware on this laptop [18:42] :( [18:42] ..../var/log/packages/pilot-link-0.12.3-i486-8:usr/lib/libpisync.so.1.0.3 [18:42] alisonken1church: it is really just a matter of figuring out what works best for you, as opposed to what all sorts of dim lit teachers suggest as being "optimal" [18:42] macavity: :) [18:43] oh.. i prefere to NOT have an objective [18:43] MidnightDevil: What antiwire said [18:43] if i do have an objective i tend to want to "disregard the unimportant stuff" [18:43] .. which i am usually not at liberty to judge untill *after* i have understood it all [18:44] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.96.169) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] gtl: what is screwing up on it? [18:44] websphere dashboard framework [18:44] Action: macavity backs off [18:44] the tool i've to works with... [18:45] sorry mate.. i dont even *want* to know what that is [18:45] its there... now what? [18:45] im sorry, long time i havent been in slack [18:45] gtl: ibm stuff, huh? [18:45] alisonken1church: yeah [18:45] MidnightDevil: what did you want to accomplish again? [18:45] it's actually a framework installed into eclipse [18:46] macavity: java server environment developed by IBM [18:46] install dropline-gnome [18:46] oh fsck [18:46] i got it installed, but when i run it, it returns the msg "Checking for libpisync.so.0... not found" [18:46] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [18:46] MidnightDevil: make sure that libpisync.so.0 is linked to the actual libpisync.so file [18:46] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] how can i do that? [18:48] ls -l /usr/lib/libpisync.so* and see what it links to [18:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:48] MidnightDevil: are you on -current? [18:49] can i paste here? its 3 lines [18:49] just answer? [18:49] no, 12.2 [18:49] MidnightDevil: possibly - but slackboy may flood-kick you if you have an extra cr in there [18:50] the one that is *not* a symlink, but ends in .so.something, what is its name? [18:50] MidnightDevil: concat them into a single line with entries separated with semicolons [18:50] libpisync.so.1.0.3? [18:50] i msg u with the results [18:50] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [18:50] (btw my paste was based on my -current system) [18:50] version may vary [18:50] btw, when was DLG last updated? [18:50] for 12.1? [18:50] or is it even activly maintained anymore? [18:51] and why is there no IRC channel for DLG? [18:51] gware, at least one maintainer is alive and here [18:52] macavity, there is, im here too [18:52] and qware does not PAM infect the system [18:52] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:52] MidnightDevil: name of channel? [18:52] dropline [18:53] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-252.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:53] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-245.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [18:54] cd /usr/lib/ && ln -s libpisync.so.1.0.3 libpisync.so.0 [18:55] Hey macavity, how are you? [18:55] fire|bird: fine :-) [18:55] you? [18:56] doing excellent, thanks. [18:56] hard to say, fire|bird ... mister mistoffelees has been sweating him ever since he kidnapped old deuteronomy. [18:56] aherm... nm [18:56] oh, an inlightened person for once :P [18:56] lol [18:56] Action: macavity cant spell [18:57] Action: fire|bird hands macavity a dictionary [18:57] tis dexionary socks! [18:57] Action: thumbs drops a dictionary on macavity [18:57] macavity: wow, I guess, sorry about that. ;) [18:58] y0 thumbs, how's it going? [18:58] sorry about wasting ur time macavity [18:58] lol [18:58] its running now :) [18:58] MidnightDevil: in any case, gnome implementations are NIH [18:58] fire|bird: all right. [18:58] macavity: didn't we chat about that a couple of years ago? [18:58] :) [18:58] nih? [18:59] alisonken1church: the what the who the where we what?!? [18:59] not invented/invited here [18:59] haha [18:59] macavity and deuteronomy references with broadway :) [18:59] sorry "old deuteronomy" [18:59] okay, are u all kde people dudes? :) [18:59] my memory does not stretch that far back :P [18:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:00] MidnightDevil: there are quite a bunch of xfce and *box people here too [19:00] MidnightDevil: slackware people - and gnome was dropped at around 12.0 or before [19:00] alisonken1church: before 11 [19:00] i like kde, but i use fluxbox when resources are tight. [19:00] belstar (n=belstar@ip98-180-223-132.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:00] or xfce [19:00] yeah i noticed, im sure the staff have their reasons [19:00] macavity: your mind isn't the only one with time references :) [19:01] MidnightDevil: look at the slackware 11.0 changelog for the reasons [19:01] btw... just in case, any way to upgrade to 4.2 kde or just stick with the 3.5 ? [19:01] i also like kde, but in my opinion kde4 is not ready [19:01] MidnightDevil: you have to remove kde3.5 in order to use kde4.x [19:01] yeah. i'm still using 3.5 and i'm quite happy with it. [19:01] i don't have plans to change. [19:01] MidnightDevil: slackware-current is 13rc1 currently, and it works really nicely [19:01] gtl: I'm on kde4 at the moment. It's great. [19:01] gtl: 4.2.4 is solid [19:01] its lighter than in the other distros? cause i found kde4 really heavy on resources [19:02] macavity: I've been using konq the past few days now. Honestly, I'm impressed by how well it works. [19:02] MidnightDevil: i find it lighter than 3.x [19:02] wow [19:02] groo (n=groo@189-18-188-102.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:02] hmm, guess i haven't used the 4.2.4 yet [19:02] yeah wow. [19:02] groo (n=groo@189-18-188-102.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:02] hum, so.. in order to remove kde3.5 and to get 4.2 working... is there any specia tips? [19:02] yes, upgrade to -current [19:02] or compile your own [19:02] gtl: It's very nice, and stable imo. [19:03] MidnightDevil: and read the docs about kde3 and kde4 changes [19:03] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.173.181) joined ##slackware. [19:03] i rather go for upgrade :) [19:03] clever choice :P [19:03] but i felt the 4.x series to be so much of a resources stealer [19:03] gtl: It hasn't been at all here. [19:03] hmm [19:03] kde4.0/1 was because it was still being developed [19:04] alisonken1church: yeah, that it was. It's become much better. [19:04] gtl: 4.0 and 4.1 were very rough and rocky [19:04] hmm [19:04] gtl: from a development perspective KDE4 should have better odds of bevcomming faster than KDE3 [19:04] that's why the developers said 4.0/1 were for people to start porting rather than finished versions [19:04] IOW - 4.0/1 were developer versions, not desktop versions [19:05] kde 4.0 and 4.1 were sort of like taking a mini cooper rock climbing. :P [19:05] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:05] gtl: much more is now being centralized, and implemented as asynchronious and multithreaded messaging [19:06] those are cool little cars, i will be glad when there are more mini coopers around for sale as used [19:06] gtl: not to mention that Qt itself now uses a lot more "lazy loading" [19:06] macavity: and don't forget optimized [19:06] alisonken1church: oh, we havent even begun to see that yet [19:06] Pig_Pen: yeah, I just seen a bright red mini cooper the other day. They are nice little cars. [19:06] alisonken1church: they have been way too busy getting up to feature parity with 3.5 [19:06] macavity: begun, but lower priority. still 4.2 has been optimized much more than 4.1 [19:07] hmm [19:08] i'll have another look into it, then [19:08] alisonken1church: actually not really.. they just straightened out some of the "ok. lets get this done fast and look at it later" stuff.. not reall optimization like valgrind and unroll detection etc [19:08] brb [19:08] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [19:08] gtl: for a minute there, I thought your keyboard was stuck on hmm. :P [19:08] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] whoops, he left. :P [19:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@24-116-115-15.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Pig_Pen: new edition or original edition? [19:08] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] i like both, those old ones from the 1960's and those new ones [19:09] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-187.multimo.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [19:09] unfortunatly the old ones are even more rare [19:09] the original ones are the more fun to drive [19:10] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] albeit they dont go anywhere nearly as fast at the new ones [19:10] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:10] ok, running kde4 now [19:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:11] gtl: observe that it background load a bunch of stuff.. so it is a wee bit sluggish the first minute or so [19:11] gtl: but uhm.. have a look at the memory consumption :P [19:11] slackware + KDE + another 300MB == Ubuntu with defaults :P [19:12] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] when i was a kid growing up there were some cool cars around the neighborhood, the guy around the corner had a Jaguire with the long hood, and a couple of blocks away was a MG midget [19:12] Can anyone recommend a good black and white laser printer which works well with Slackware? Network connectivity on the printer itself is a plus. [19:12] nathanbw: if it says Xerox you will love it [19:13] Cool [19:13] nathanbw: brother hl-2070n works great here [19:13] any Brother will work nicely with Cups too [19:13] s/Cups/CUPS/ [19:13] indeed [19:13] Cool. Anyone got a tutorial on setting it up? I've never set up a printer in Slack before. [19:14] I had a high school buddy that had a triumph TR6 in his senior year [19:14] nice car [19:14] hmm nice, indeed [19:14] yeah at work we use a borther and a xerox [19:14] but work in cups [19:14] nathanbw: HP laserjets are pretty much stock laser printers for Linux [19:14] what memory monitoring applet you guys use? [19:14] s/borther/brother [19:14] nathanbw: you chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.cups [19:15] nathanbw: then you google up what port you should point your browser to on localhost [19:15] nathanbw: then you go there and configure the printer :P [19:15] is it 445? [19:15] 631 sound better [19:15] 631 [19:15] localhost:631 [19:16] http://localhost:631/admin [19:16] right [19:16] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:16] ... or just use the KDE printer interface [19:16] allthough that does feel somewhat windowsish :P [19:17] at least with 3.5 - menu ->System->Manage Printers (has a cups icon next to it) opens konq with localhost:631 for you [19:18] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-245.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:18] skellington (n=berserke@ip-89-174-42-244.ibd.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Cool. Thanks a ton for the info guys [19:19] Action: macavity attepts to find the "add printer" in KDE4 [19:19] hi there. im fairly new to linux, and i have a pretty silly question that i cant seem to figure out. whats the difference between slackware and slax? [19:20] that slax is a live distro [19:20] skellington: a lot, basically slax is a live cd that is very loosely based on lsackware, or at least was at some point. [19:20] that is, it is intened to be able to run from a CD [19:20] BP{k}++ [19:20] skellington: as in, we will not be able to help you with any problem you have on slax [19:20] slax is a heavily modified slackware-based system that runs from a live CD [19:21] can be installed to your hard drive, but uses a different package management system as well [19:21] eeek [19:22] ah. i want to use slackware, but its such a large download. slax seems easier to download. [19:22] i wish they would stop advertizing that they once in a distant past used to be a decendant of slackware [19:22] are they really that different? [19:22] yes [19:22] stick with Slackware, Slax is great as a live CD or bootable usb thumbdrive, but the author never intended for slax to be installed on a harddrive [19:24] well im using a netbook and i dont really need a power system. id just like a customizable os that doesnt give me too much trouble with my hardware (ubuntu gets screwy with intel graphics cards) [19:24] doing long division with a 3 digit divisor is a bitch [19:24] ubuntu is just screwy period [19:24] skellington: which netbook is that? [19:24] its not even a good debian fork anymore [19:25] eeepc 1000ha [19:25] oh, no broblemo then [19:25] *problemo [19:25] antiwire: python works great for that - although the "long" part isn't shown :) [19:25] skellington: it should run KDE with all effects nicely [19:25] ie: 3082065/745 done long on paper with no calc. [19:25] that's a major PITA [19:25] skellington: iirc you only need to specify the UXA acceleration method in xorg.conf to get everything up to speed [19:26] just think of it as a refresher for elementary math class :) [19:26] skellington: that is, if you run 13rc1 on it [19:26] thats what the guys at moblin and linux mint and ubuntu said. "no problem." i had problems nonetheless. but im willing to try slack, ive heard good things about it. [19:26] skellington: with 12.2 you get KDE3.5 and no fancy effects *what so ever* [19:26] alisonken1church: yeah that's exactly why I looked back into it. I realized that I had forgotten how much of an ordeal that type of operation is [19:26] whats 13rc1? [19:27] skellington: Slacwkare 13 release candiadte 1 [19:27] skellington: slackware-current is now known as slackware 13.0 release candidate 1 [19:27] candidate* [19:27] oh i see [19:27] CyberPunk09 (n=cyberpun@95-24-207-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:27] skellington: think of it like MS does with their software - but with a better schedule and an actual product release :) [19:28] whats the iso size? [19:28] lol so true. [19:28] skellington: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso [19:28] skellington: dvd or 6-cd set? [19:28] skellington: 1.7GB [19:28] skellington: for the DVD [19:28] as of yesterday, the dvd is 3836270592 bytes [19:29] (or 3.84G) [19:29] ls -l [19:29] ai. thats large. [19:29] odd.. the unofficial one from ftp.slacwkare.no is only 1.7Gb [19:29] is there a slimmer version? [19:29] -rw-rw-r-- 1 ken users 3824918528 2009-07-10 17:57 slackware64-current-dvd.iso [19:29] i think that is without source [19:30] i dont need source so thats good. [19:30] skellington: the one i pointed you to is only 1.7GB [19:30] skellington: dont attempt to use the slackware64 one.. Intel Atom wont play with it [19:30] mine is from a mirror of full slackware - the one macavity points to is probably the slimed-down version without /extra and sources [19:31] -rw-rw-r-- 1 ken users 3836270592 2009-07-10 18:02 slackware-current-dvd.iso [19:31] alisonken1church: they have had extra/ and testing/ the last time i got them [19:31] 1.7 is already slimmed down? slackware comes with a lot of software doesnt it? [19:31] i will do a torrent of 13 when it is official, maybe let it seed for a few nights and then stop before my ISP gets mad at me for hammering their nameservers [19:31] skellington: also documentation and source as well [19:31] eduardo (n=unknown@174.37.193.182-static.reverse.softlayer.com) joined ##slackware. [19:31] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] im overwhelmed. [19:32] skellington: oh, just wait untill you see what you can get from slackbuilds.org [19:32] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:33] slackbuilds.org will open your eyes to a new way of installing packages [19:33] and slackbuilds.org is updating scripts to work with slackware64 as well [19:34] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] this is so confusing.. [19:36] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:36] i just verified that the ftp.slackware.no ISOs are stripped of source/ *only* [19:37] skellington: what is confusing? [19:37] skellington: that offcial packages are seperated from user contributed packages? [19:38] skellington: and that user contributed packages come in a neat make-it-yourself package, so you dont have to trust that other users have a sane build environment? [19:39] this process. will i not be able to test slack before i install it? [19:39] macavity: not confusing - official packages have been vetted by the slackware team, but user-contributed is "use at your own risk - bot slackbuilds have some qc for slackware" [19:39] skellington: nope [19:39] actually slackbuilds.org is nice. [19:39] oh well, guess ill take a chance. [19:40] will the install disc allow me to manage my partitions before i install? [19:40] skellington: look at how windows 3rd party stuff works for the reasoning :) [19:40] skellington: i tell you, all you need to do is edit xorg.conf and add one line, and alter another, then KDE4 will run will all the nice effects very well [19:40] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] skellington: the reason i know this is that i have the same chipset in my laptop which is in the Eee PCs [19:41] skellington: "manage"? [19:41] i want to keep my windows partition as a fallback plan. [19:41] skellington: you can use slax if you want to modify your current partitioning, then boot slackware to install - or use cfdisk to reset your partitinos [19:42] gparted on slax is supposed to work ok with windows at least up to xp [19:43] doesnt the install invironment offer parted? [19:43] just remember that twiddling partitions _may_ result in a windows reinstall as well (partly due to ms stuff) [19:43] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] macavity: not sure - I never used it :) [19:43] it didnt make me reinstall last time.. [19:44] but then again last time i wasnt installing slack [19:44] skellington: you should also be able to twiddle partitions in xp , then install slack on the spare partition - or use a spare disk to install slack [19:44] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] yes, that is probably the safest choice [19:45] or just be a real man and wipe windows once and for all ;-) [19:45] skellington: it's the twiddling with partition tables that may cause the reinstall - not the linux install stuff [19:46] Action: macavity is proud to have been running Free Software only for several years [19:46] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:47] ah [19:47] ok. [19:47] im going to do this tomorrow. its late and im tired [19:47] good night [19:47] skellington (n=berserke@ip-89-174-42-244.ibd.gtsenergis.pl) left ##slackware. [19:48] Nick change: AnonRedn1k|out -> AnonymousRednek [19:48] macavity: you dont run the Blob? [19:49] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Pig_Pen: which one? [19:54] nvidia [19:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:55] anyone know how many nicks allowed on one account? [19:55] i have an intel 945GM, so no [19:56] flash? [19:56] ^^^ freenode questin [19:56] uva (i=bno@118-160-162-97.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [19:57] macavity: what about flash? you use gnash or something? [19:57] sahko: why not use the adobe flash? it works [19:58] he said he doesnt use non free software.... [20:00] sakuramboo: the problem, gnash sucks [20:00] AnonymousRednek: I have 5 - and I thnk that was tthe limit for me [20:00] alisonken1church: ok, got 3, and was wondering if one needed deleting [20:01] alisonken1[lap,church,noc,home] - ok 4 :) [20:01] yosii, brklynRednek, this one [20:01] huh? [20:02] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:03] well, later all...to target to get another phone before i ship out [20:03] AnonymousRednek: where to now? [20:03] anyone seen any good movies lately ? [20:04] snL20: some older ones not released in the last year or so [20:04] alisonken1church: ok.... [20:05] "Apollo 13", "You've Got Mail", "Cars", things like that [20:07] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:08] Nick change: repsol_ -> adrenaline [20:08] alisonken1church: lol "You've Got Mail" lol [20:08] snL20: SinCity [20:09] RipVanWinkle: aah yes ;) [20:09] rhys_ (n=rhys@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] rhys_ (n=rhys@cpe-75-185-191-55.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] anyone want to play eduke32 with me??? [20:11] eduke32? [20:11] its a game [20:11] its in the sbo respritory [20:12] i just got it to work, and dont know how to play multiplayer, but I know people liked to set up games here [20:12] i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: Command not found [20:12] what the.... [20:13] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-162-97.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:13] snL20: yes - I'm married :) [20:13] alisonken1church: ;) [20:14] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-162-97.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] although Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan are both excellent actors in their own rights [20:17] Saving Private Rian [20:18] "Bachelor Party" through "Road To Perdition" for his range. Excellent [20:19] Castaway [20:19] John Wayne "Rio Bravo" :) [20:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-92.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-27-107-126.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:19] "The Seekers" [20:19] juice: try CC=i486-slackware-linux-gcc :P [20:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-235.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] CyberPunk09 (n=cyberpun@95-24-207-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware. [20:22] macavity, i figured it out [20:22] :P [20:23] good :-) [20:23] anyhows, good night folks [20:23] i think i will at least *attempt* to sleep while it is dark from now on [20:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [20:24] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [20:24] you better start sleeping, sleep deprivation is bad for both mind and body [20:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] too bad I work nights :) [20:25] alisonken1church: are you a priest? [20:25] no - but my wife is an education/youth minister [20:26] uva (i=bno@118-160-162-97.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:26] chopp is your brother printer supported by open source drivers? Or did you download one of the packages from their site (it's currently just showing an .rpm and a .deb.) [20:27] nathanbw: Brother-DCP-1200-hl1250.ppd is what I use [20:27] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [20:28] y0 chopp, how's it going? [20:28] chopp, thanks [20:28] fire|bird: not so bad, how are you? [20:28] nathanbw: you're welcome [20:28] chopp: doing excellent, thanks. :) [20:28] right on [20:30] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-110-138.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:33] fenix_br (n=chatzill@201-92-104-5.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[20:38] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] MidnightDevil (n=Dreamer@85.139.229.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:41] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-182-140.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] alex123 (n=user@195-240-71-128.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [20:44] man screen [20:44] ha [20:45] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:46] yesyes, you mean 'man scream'? [20:46] :) [20:46] as opposed to "woman scream"? [20:47] just a better expression for the screen man page :p [20:47] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] I need some buttons for my flux style but I can't make anything decent :/ [20:48] who's gonna make me some? [20:48] I assume most of you here know about bob the "slacker" ? (church of subgenius etc) [20:48] dive: what's the style like otherwise? [20:48] wanna look? [20:49] or try it? [20:49] dive: sure. [20:49] gimme a sec to put it up [20:49] could someone help me [20:50] witz: you obviously don't. :) [20:50] the time to run the command smbldap-populate, shows the error "failed to add entry: objectClass: value #4 invalid per syntax at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 499, line 87." [20:50] bruc3 (n=FullT@189.79.201.49) joined ##slackware. [20:50] hi peoples [20:50] heya BP{k}, how's it going? [20:51] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-110-138.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] fire|bird: pretty good, relaxing, keth buggered off to bed and their is beer. ;) [20:51] BP{k}: Hehe, well I was cleaning my bookshelf and found this interesting page about Bob :) [20:51] witz: for one .. its "Bob" (with the quotes) [20:51] heh, I love fortune: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8CyfR627.html [20:52] BP{k} : http://img194.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img194/277/img5013x.jpg [20:52] witz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs [20:55] Yeah I found it in one of my radio books, I read that before and never caught it. Love the artwork. :) [20:56] is kdebluetooth 4 functional? [20:56] fire|bird, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/sshots/diversity-flux.gif [20:57] still .. a nice find :) [20:57] dive: that's looking nice. [20:58] I like the wallpaper too. [20:58] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/fluxbox/Diversity [20:58] yeah I forget where that came from now but I can put it up [20:59] I also have bbdock running in the slit with some custom icons [20:59] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:59] dive: running in the slit? nice. I just installed tint yesterday, I like the look of tint a bit better than other panels. [21:00] hai fire|bird [21:00] fire|bird, I haven't tried tint yet [21:00] Hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [21:00] might need to check it out - is it on SBo? [21:00] dive: It's quite nice, imo anyway. It's on SBo [21:00] ok [21:02] please help me I could adois days trying to solve an error "failed to add entry: objectClass: value #4 invalid per syntax at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 499, line 87." the time to run the command smbldap-populate [21:02] dive: what style buttons are you looking to have with the style? [21:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [21:03] fire|bird, not really sure - something modern, grey and that fits in with the style [21:03] i'm good, cookin dinner. after we're done we are going to attempt feeding him his first semi solid [21:03] although the style isn't really grey - it has a blue shade to it [21:03] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Action: tecky hugs nix_chix0r [21:04] hai [21:04] nix_chix0r: ah nice. That should go well. :) [21:04] NO, it's tecky /me runs [21:04] Action: tecky runs ? [21:04] hai tecky :) [21:04] brb [21:04] dive: I can try and make something for it, no guarantees, but I'll give it a shot. [21:04] sure that would be great [21:04] I wish I could get inkscape working on current, gtkmm won't build. :( [21:05] hmm that sounds familiar [21:05] x86 or x86_64? [21:05] inkscape is very nice, but can't get it to work on current at all. [21:05] I'm on x86 [21:05] you mean 13.0-rc1 [21:05] TwinReverb: yeah. :P [21:06] but anyway [21:06] night, i'm sure i'll be back later tonight when i cant sleep :P [21:06] lol, see ya tecky [21:06] take care [21:06] there was something I needed to build that affected gtkmm... I don't remember the exact details, but I managed in the end [21:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:07] mmm :( slack is taking up over 4.5 gigs... c'est normale? [21:07] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:07] yesyes [21:07] fire|bird, what error do you get fire|bird ? [21:07] yesyes: disk or ram? [21:07] fire|bird: you need to update some of the gtkmm tree [21:08] and you'll need pangomm [21:08] dive: Umm, can't remember atm. I tried a newer version of it as well with no success. [21:08] rworkman: Ah, ok, I don't have pangomm I don't belive. Thank you. [21:08] and you'll need the new not-yet-released inkscape dev version [21:08] yup, I have that inkscape version, just was having gtkmm issues. [21:09] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [21:09] /home/source/SBo/DONE/glibmm/glibmm.info:VERSION="2.18.2" [21:09] /home/source/SBo/DONE/cairomm/cairomm.info:VERSION="1.8.0" [21:09] /home/source/SBo/DONE/pangomm/pangomm.info:VERSION="2.14.1" [21:09] Channel flood from rworkman -- kicking [21:09] /home/source/SBo/DONE/gtkmm/gtkmm.info:VERSION="2.14.3" [21:09] rworkman kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:09] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [21:09] heh [21:09] hahahaha [21:09] rworkman: ok, thank you. :) [21:10] alisonken1church: disk. [21:10] I should stop grepping from an exec line. :) [21:10] even the famous rworkman is not immune to the wrath of slackboy [21:10] ok, got current and kde4 :), someone have a tip for the new X and 945 intel cards? im getting slow reponses on 3d apps and writing a xorg.conf seems to blow everything =x [21:10] yesyes: since the _compressed packages_ on dvd take almost 4G, not surprising. [21:10] write a small xorg.conf [21:10] guax: Here's a tip: some of them suck. [21:11] RipVanWinkle: although, he could probably make himself immune. ;) [21:11] rworkman: =( [21:11] yeah, i know [21:11] yesyes: you can slim it down by removing source packages and a few others that yo don't need [21:11] Perhaps, but then a fsckup on my part could be bad. Remember, I grep from /exec lines in irssi :D [21:11] lol [21:11] ah, sbo is taking up 700mb [21:11] anyone has idea? about the error that I am having difficulty [21:11] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [21:11] yeah i usually remember to dump /tmp/SBo when i get done ... [21:12] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8biee581.html is my xorg.conf [21:12] thrice`: any model? [21:12] to enable UXA accel [21:12] oh, thanks =) [21:13] CyberPunk09 (n=cyberpun@95-24-207-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [21:13] CyberPunk09 (n=cyberpun@95-24-207-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware. [21:13] CyberPunk09 (n=cyberpun@95-24-207-241.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [21:13] sure :) [21:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:14] you might have better luck wiht UXA accelerating over the default (exa); as rworkman mentioned, it can be hit-or-miss. it's a quick way to start, though [21:14] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-72.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:15] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.138.20.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:15] good news guys [21:16] managed to make the app I need to work with run on slackware! [21:16] i'm happy! [21:16] thrice`: ok, will try, after my pizza =D [21:16] and running kde4 [21:16] time to go meet my GF [21:16] later all [21:17] thanks for the update [21:17] thrice`, are you using 13.0-rc1 ? [21:17] yes, still [21:18] you know you don't need an xorg.conf any more (assuming Xorg detects your stuff properly) right? [21:18] please review the conversation [21:18] paissad (n=paissad@137.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] my comment was to enable UXA accel instead of EXA [21:18] TwinReverb: we need when the stuff he detect need some tweaks to work right [21:19] no i was just asking, i assumed you knew [21:19] HI [21:19] hai [21:20] [21:20] don't understand what you mean by "we now hae slack for ARM" [21:20] :) [21:20] [21:20] bruc3 (n=FullT@189.79.201.49) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] foreach $nick; { echo Hi; } [21:20] umm print :o [21:21] Action: dive gets his perl and php mixed up [21:21] =P [21:21] paissad: http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=arm [21:21] and it should be @nick ;p [21:21] will kill X to test, later [21:21] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "leaving" [21:22] mack_the_knife (i=1000@174.42.156.141) joined ##slackware. [21:22] that should be interesting, slackware for ARM [21:22] now i need to figure out what i can use that on lol 8-S [21:22] paissad: you remember the nintendo glove right? [21:23] hum, no ! [21:24] never used it, but I remember it [21:25] Action: dive puts on his slackware arm and slaps agentc0re [21:25] bih [21:25] it could be the next Wii fit! [21:26] Ouch! [21:27] You should have slapped the one that didn't know any better! :P [21:27] this is true [21:27] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:28] Hello all [21:28] morning [21:28] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-182-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:28] evening [21:29] agentc0re, actually the slackware arm would go well with my opinion pole [21:29] Is anyone up to helping me out with slackbuild scripts? [21:29] Ekc (n=iskar@78.128.55.9) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:29] dive: the shorter the pole, the less popular it is? [21:29] thats what she said! [21:29] That's what your mom said too. [21:30] Can I do them with a bash shell? [21:30] alisonken1church, nope, it's just a pole for wacking people with who don't agree with my opinion [21:30] mack_the_knife: you can use csh if you wish. [21:30] mack_the_knife, do you mean use #!/bin/bash in a slackbuild? Then no, you should use sh [21:31] Action: agentc0re doesn't agree with dive that his Slackware ARM would go well with his opinion pole [21:31] Depends on whether he intends to submit it (and it actually have a chance for inclusion) [21:31] Action: agentc0re steals dives pole [21:31] rworkman, true [21:32] dive: another fine point :) [21:32] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:33] Okay, thank you. I'm at the bottom of the learning curve at the moment, hopefully it'll level out someday. [21:33] CyberPunk09 (n=cyberpun@95-24-207-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware. [21:33] mack_the_knife, you're making your own slackbuild script? [21:34] best thing is to look at some example scripts and the template [21:34] you will soon get the idea [21:35] no, just trying to install the fglrx module. [21:35] ah [21:36] well the slackbuild script will use /bin/sh for a shell so it doesn't matter which shell you are using when you run it (afaik anyway) [21:36] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:36] paissad (n=paissad@137.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:36] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:37] It's workin'! [21:37] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:37] dive: depends on what /bin/sh points to - if bash, then it acts like sh, other shells may not recognize that [21:38] I think.. [21:38] alisonken1church, default on slack though is that sh is linked to bash [21:38] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [21:38] Don't all shells recognise symlinks? [21:39] symlinks operate in the filesystem so i should hope so [21:39] true - but don't use bashisms in the slackbuild (like shell variable arrays) [21:39] dive: no - not all shells will act like the original /bin/sh when linked [21:39] Yes, all shells recognize basic filesystem stuff. [21:40] bash will recognize if it's a link from /bin/sh and act accordingly. not all shells do that [21:40] well there are a lot of scripts that use $() which (I don't think) sh understands [21:40] if you edit one in vim it will colour them red as if in error [21:41] but on slack this isn't a problem cos /bin/sh is linked to /bin/bash [21:43] alisonken1church, so bash will recognise that it's linked from /bin/sh? That's interesting [21:44] is there a distribution that uses the actual sh executable? i wouldn't be surprised if most (if not all) do that same thing [21:44] (i.e. sh -> bash) [21:45] ash? [21:45] I think that's the most basic shell. [21:45] I think freebsd by default uses sh but I haven't looked to see if it's linked [21:45] another shell [21:45] If it works under there, you're good. [21:45] bash -> bourne shell or born again shell [21:45] Bourne Again SHell. [21:45] sh -> bsh -> bash [21:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-12-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:46] Motoko-chan: ash is the reference for slackware since ash is the builtin shell for the uclibc binary used in the install cd/dvd setup [21:46] Action: TwinReverb is building stuff on 13.0-rc1 to post on his website [21:46] FreeBSD doesn't link sh [21:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] http://www.cnn.com/video/?JSONLINK=/video/us/2009/07/11/vanderveen.ladybug.infestation.kusa [21:46] geesh [21:47] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:47] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:47] Ok, the SlackBuild howto says to find my output in my tmp folder, which I have. Am I done, or do I need to do more? [21:47] If you really want to test to be safe, use this: http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/sh.html [21:47] It's the Bourne Shell as from early UNIX. [21:47] mack_the_knife, you need to install the package [21:47] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Same code AIX and Solaris use. [21:47] i.e. /tmp/libsndfile-1.0.20.tgz or whatever [21:49] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] hmm. the file name is package-fglrx-driver, but no tgz extension. [21:50] mack_the_knife, that's not it [21:50] mack_the_knife: how about txz extension? [21:50] no, nothing. [21:50] In my tmp folder, i have [21:50] SBo, kde-me and ksocket-me [21:51] ls /tmp/*.t?? [21:51] look in the SBo directory for the directory of where the package was build [21:51] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] I find the package-fglrx-driver in SBo. [21:51] nothing else in there. [21:52] any errors when you ran the slackbuild? [21:52] No, let me see here.. [21:52] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [21:53] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:53] Maybe, it says "Only root can do it!", but I was root.. [21:54] rworkman: ping? [21:54] Is it ok to copy/paste the output from the shell? [21:54] the end of running the slackbuild should show some lines about makepgk and moving the package to xxx.tgz [21:54] mack_the_knife, don't paste in here [21:54] use pastebin [21:55] mack_the_knife: use a pastebin, like pastebin.slackadelic.com [21:55] mack_the_knife: http://pastebin.ca [21:55] thanks, dive [21:55] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@189.73.77.180) joined ##slackware. [21:55] thanks all [21:57] I paste the url here? [21:57] mack_the_knife: yes [21:57] http://pastebin.ca/1492232 [21:58] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.96.169) joined ##slackware. [21:59] interesting - that slackbuild is saying you have to build it as root. probably because of the chmod/chown requirements for the final binary [21:59] fire|bird, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/fluxbox/5lackWet5.jpg <- the background [21:59] dive: ok, thanks. [22:00] Now I think it's working for sure.. [22:00] Now I go to tmp and installpkg my .tgz file? [22:00] yep [22:01] very cool.. [22:01] dive: I'm just getting inkscape stuff installed, then I'll work on some buttons for you're flux style. [22:01] fire|bird, great, thanks :) [22:01] mack_the_knife, you might also like to have a look at sbopkg - sbopkg.org [22:02] now you know how slackbuilds work, sbopkg makes downloading and installing very very easy [22:04] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:05] Ok, it seems to have worked. [22:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] I'll check out sbopkg.org too, once I get finished with all this fglrx stuff. Thanks to all for the help! [22:06] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:07] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-224.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.10) joined ##slackware. [22:13] how does one get microsoft exchange server? is it a separate software or is it built into their windows server OSes? [22:14] separate. [22:14] it's a server addition. [22:14] ouch $1000 when Kolab is free [22:15] $1000 plus license fees [22:16] It's part of Windows SBS [22:16] per-seat client licenses as well [22:16] software bull @#$ ? [22:16] 8-) [22:16] really though, exchange is a one time cost, unless you go the other route and do software assurance. [22:17] You also can get it as an additional piece if you need more seats. [22:17] SBS is limited [22:17] you can't get any linux solution that is a onetime fee that comes with tech support and continual upgrades/updates. [22:17] i should actually take the tech support part away.. [22:17] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] "software assurance"? [22:17] Why not get Zimbra? [22:17] agentc0re, what about kolab? [22:17] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:18] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [22:18] You have to continue to pay for zimbra. It, in the end, becomes more expensive than exchange. [22:18] scubacuda_ (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:18] I thought you could do a one-time if you didn't want the support. [22:18] TwinReverb: I'm speaking in the terms of business. Kolab would probably work fine for home. Shit, postfix works just great. [22:18] Did their license change [22:18] ? [22:19] TBO i just bought a domain through google and use email through their gmail web client. It's nice. [22:19] agentc0re, how about for churches? i'm saying mainly so that contact, calendars, and email can be shared / sent / managed through Kmail / Kontact / KDE stuff [22:19] I use the work mail server. It's qmail (shit), but decent. [22:19] Motoko-chan: I've always known all those like Zimbra to have an annual fee. If you don't pay it, you don't get updates. [22:20] with exchange, i do and without an annual fee. [22:20] Last I checked, Exchange 2003 -> 2007 wasn't without a fee. [22:20] or maintenance pain [22:21] but their fee also includes upgrades. I don't get that with exchange. I did the math a while back ago and most likely the amount of time i'll keep exchange will be cheaper than continually paying for zimbra. [22:21] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.96.169) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:21] Plus zimbra required me to install a plugin to outlook for it to work like exchange... which sucks. [22:21] does anyone have experience running kolab? [22:21] like in such situations? [22:22] agentc0re, it's probably because it's hard to duplicate MAPI [22:22] Motoko-chan: first time fee.. just like anything else. Not an annual fee. [22:22] Motoko-chan: That it is. [22:22] "Licensing is an annual software subscription with updates and support from Zimbra. A perpetual option is also available" [22:22] From http://www.zimbra.com/products/pricing.html [22:22] Motoko-chan: One company did it, and then cisco bought them out right before i was going to buy service from them. [22:23] Motoko-chan: Postpath was their name. [22:23] MAPI is really a pain in the rear, from what I hear. [22:23] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] danc3: !!!!! [22:23] heh. evening [22:26] icarus__ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:27] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] cadmium (n=cadmium@58.65.159.166) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:29] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-39-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] Action: TwinReverb has finished freeciv and audacity for slackware-13.0-rc1 [22:29] Any ideas when The Book will be out yet? [22:29] i asked to help with The Book and was turned down [22:30] TwinReverb, How come? [22:30] sako (n=sako@mail.v2designlab.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] i don't remember what his reason was [22:30] bah, forget the book, i am waiting for the movie :P [22:31] lol [22:31] sako (n=sako@mail.v2designlab.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:32] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:33] It shouldn't take long now anyhow. [22:33] frullet (n=trent@124-170-216-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:36] I was wondering is anybody running slackware in virtualbox on a mac? [22:37] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:38] I know of several people running slackware in a virtual box, and I used to know someone running slackware compiled _for_ a mac, but not both at the same time [22:38] no kolab people in here? 8-( [22:38] DeiBellum_ (n=root@c-98-230-11-174.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] how old is the mac? PPC? = Slackintosh [22:39] how long does it take or a client to time out in IRC? [22:39] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [22:39] for* [22:39] yep [22:39] (slackintosh) [22:39] Slackintosh in VirtualBox? Err... [22:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-224.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] no, if his mac is an older PPC arch then Slackintosh could be installed natively [22:41] s/could/should [22:41] Action: TwinReverb hates running OSes in virtual boxes [22:42] Action: DeiBellum_ agrees [22:42] te_ (n=te@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [22:43] I ran Ubuntu under something on my MacBook but I can't for the life of me remember if that was VMWare Fusion or VirtualBox... I know I had FreeBSD running under VirtualBox but that may have been on the Windows machine... [22:43] if i ever got ahold of a PPC mac that is exactly what i would do with it [22:43] god postfix sucks [22:44] I don't think I could be bothered with PPC Linux on any of my PPC Macs... [22:45] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:47] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:48] dartmouth, what do you mean? [22:49] dartmouth: postfix doesn't suck.. its usually the lack of knowledge/patience that does [22:50] welanx1 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] fire|bird: ping [22:51] antler: hey [22:51] hooray, fx 3.5 made it into -current [22:52] fire|bird: i just switched to kde 3 from flux and it's like i just upgraded from a ford pinto to a porche 911 [22:52] amazon10x: \o/ [22:52] hahahaha [22:53] antler: *shuns* [22:53] paissad (n=paissad@137.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] y0 frullet [22:53] antler: haha [22:53] fire|bird: hows it? [22:53] frullet: excellent, you? [22:53] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.65.70) joined ##slackware. [22:53] fire|bird: yeh, cant complain ;) [22:53] frullet: hahaha [22:53] antler: why not kde4? you're not on 13rc yet? :P [22:54] alisonken1church, Thank you for your reply [22:54] np [22:54] kde works fine [22:54] at least so far [22:54] I am going to intall it on my MBP [22:54] there are minor issues so far with Thunar launching KWord and it barfing but it works fine if you launch it yourself (weird) [22:54] adrenaline: glad I could help [22:54] kmail works fine except the signing and decrypting part [22:55] i'm going to have to configure mine eventually [22:55] none of the slack mirrors have pulled the -current update [22:55] i switched from vga=normal to vga=792 and it was like switching from roller skates to a bicycle [22:55] fire|bird: no, not yet. i'll wait for the 64bit 13. [22:55] RipVanWinkle: hey - I _like_ roller skates :) [22:55] hey. roller skates are awesome [22:55] Action: TwinReverb likes lollerskates [22:55] oh, alisonken1church beat me [22:55] i like bicycles [22:55] before creating the iso bootable dvd for slack-current, how may i retreive the whole root directory of the download page [22:55] I used to have a pair of roller skate sneakers [22:56] alisonken1church: roller skates, short jean shorts, a bandana, and aviator glasses? [22:56] I prefer roller blades over skates. :P [22:56] paissad: wget probably [22:56] antler: reno 911 is the bees knees [22:56] alisonken1church: and a sleeveless iron maiden shirt [22:56] antler: no shorts, and I prefer baseball caps to bandana's, and regular glasses are better than aviator glasses :) [22:56] antler: Jethro Tull, not Iron Maiden [22:56] amazon10x, not possible with rsync ? [22:57] alisonken1church: ah, good ol' jt [22:57] Andersen plays a mean flute :) [22:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Success [22:57] paissad: you want to grab a whole directory from a mirror, right? [22:57] yep$ [22:57] frullet: what's reno 911? [22:58] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] yeah, wget will do it. something like `wget -r --no-parent -l0 http://mirror/foo` [22:58] antler: never seen the tv show reno 911? [22:58] frullet: heh no. i don't watch much tv :( [22:58] zmisc (n=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [22:59] turn that frown upside down [23:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] Speaking of Reno 911: http://rlworkman.net/images/brazil/dsc00108.html [23:01] amazon10x: :( :| :) [23:01] this IRC client is pretty odd [23:02] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-39-48.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:02] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:02] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:02] Darn, and I was going to make one more mom joke for TwinReverb. [23:03] Cause your mom is good at turning frowns upside down. [23:03] have to save it for another time. [23:03] its not the client, irs is odd no matter what client you use [23:03] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns6-tic-C8B1C1BA.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:03] /s/irs/irc [23:03] Right. It's the people. [23:04] <|lestat|> rworkman: hey! [23:04] hey [23:04] I recently discovered quassel (an irc client). It's quite nice, looks great in kde4. [23:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [23:04] <|lestat|> rworkman: remember the problem I brought you last time? I solved. [23:04] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [23:04] zmisc: what client are you using? [23:05] Action: |lestat| is a proud lammer [23:05] lem1: congrats :) [23:05] er, |lestat| ^ [23:05] tab completion fail. :) [23:06] <|lestat|> rworkman: the shared lib... [23:06] yeah [23:07] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] <|lestat|> rworkman: I logged in maint mode and just removed a "export" line I had entered at /etc/profiles that pointed to unexistent path (the lib I erased) [23:08] <|lestat|> cuel [23:08] Some sort of LD_PRELOAD magic? [23:08] <|lestat|> rworkman: aye [23:09] s/magic/quackery/ IMHO. [23:09] RipVanWinkle, I've been testing out conspire [23:09] The gains from using that *are* real, but the potential drawbacks *far* outweigh them IMO. [23:09] <|lestat|> rworkman: but Im still wondering why that did not allowed me to do a simple "ls" [23:09] never heard of conspire, any good features? [23:10] it's not too bad I can dcc you a screenshot if you would like [23:11] |lestat|: I'm not a canonical source of info on that subject, but from memory and as I understand it (and both of those are likely weakened by each other atm), all the libraries are "preloaded" almost as a single shared object in such a way that if one is missing, the whole bundle is wrong. [23:11] naw, thats ok, i can google for the home page and find some documentation [23:11] mack_the_knife (i=1000@174.42.156.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:11] <|lestat|> rworkman: :) [23:11] frullet (n=trent@124-170-216-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:12] ah, a fork of xchat [23:12] <|lestat|> arent you using bitchx anymore? [23:14] why would anyone want to use bitchx. [23:14] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.10) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:14] <|lestat|> BP{k}: dunno.. I remember that everybody used to while I used kvirc or xchat..... [23:14] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] <|lestat|> BP{k}: nowadays it look like more people is using xchat (not sure) [23:15] |lestat|: I think more people are probably using irssi. [23:15] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [23:16] bitchx is now a xbitch [23:16] <|lestat|> BP{k}: I didnt know thata one [23:16] <|lestat|> BP{k}: Ill google for that [23:16] welanx2 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] pidgin [23:18] mIRC? [23:18] pirch! [23:19] quassel, if I can get the colors in it back, but right now, I'm on irssi. :) [23:19] personally I'd have to agree that most nix users are using irssi [23:20] zmisc (n=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:20] irssi + screen > any gui irc client, as you can detact screen, kill x and your irc session doesn't die with x. 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[23:29] Does anyone here have some pretty in-depth knowledge of the kernel? [23:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:29] <|lestat|> uh oh [23:29] DeiBellum: you got questions, we got answers. ;) [23:30] DeiBellum: I'm sure someone here can help you, what's your question? [23:30] lol, I am looking for where the TXPOWER data is stored for the ATh5k module in 2.6.30 [23:30] Specifically for the AR5213 chipset [23:31] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [23:31] for some reason they cut it in the 2.6.30 build and now I am unable to connect on my main machine to my AP [23:31] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [23:31] welanx1 (n=welanx@74-44-56-180.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] <|lestat|> some days ago I launched a: [important_dir]# rm /var/tmp * -rf [23:33] doh! [23:33] <|lestat|> hehehhe [23:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-149-228.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-151-215.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [23:36] <|lestat|> bye [23:36] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns6-tic-C8B1C1BA.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) left ##slackware. [23:38] yesyes (n=sh@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "= gone" [23:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:46] I love the topic [23:47] hey antiwire, how's it going? [23:47] hi ya'll [23:47] hi gtl [23:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-71-233.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] haha nice topic! [23:49] heh [23:49] s/nice/great/ :) [23:49] Hi NaCl [23:49] hi [23:49] hi all [23:50] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:51] going to bed [23:51] talk to ya'll tomorrow [23:51] night [23:51] night gtl [23:54] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-166.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:55] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:58] te_ (n=te@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:00] --- Sun Jul 12 2009