[00:00] Dominian (n=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:00] Nick change: Dominian_ -> Dominian [00:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-29.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] bleah. I hate getting halfway thru a job & finding out I haven't got the one tool I need to finish it [00:04] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.43.187) left irc: Connection timed out [00:04] doesn't sound good at all. [00:04] does anyone know why Pat decided to keep gzip, pkgtools, slackpkg, tar and xz in tgz format and not txz ? just curious [00:05] US-made guitars use "standard" measurements, I need a 1/8" hex driver and all I have are metric [00:05] I read about it in the changelog but he didn't say why he was excluding those packages for now. [00:05] Urchlay: Wait, didn't your guitar come with one though? Mine did. [00:05] also need a tuner that actually works for bass (have a guitar tuner that really really only works for guitars) [00:05] agentc0re: yes, and it's sitting in my storage shed 20 miles from here :( [00:05] Plus you could probably find a metric that fits it well enough to turn it without stripping it. [00:06] Ouch, that sucks. [00:06] ...and my car is *still* in the shop (2 weeks now) [00:06] This sounds like a country song. [00:06] no, my wife didn't leave me and my dog is still alive [00:06] and mama's not in prison [00:06] iceD[R] (i=0@189.38.188.124) left irc: Client Quit [00:07] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:07] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [00:07] ...but I got nothing to do but sit around & play the bass, so I might as well adjust it to make it more playable [00:07] Syaiful_Romadhon (n=Yin@125.163.222.22) joined ##slackware. [00:12] agentc0re: dammit, now I have that stupid david allen coe song stuck in my head [00:13] here, let me inflict it on you, too. The greatest country song ever written: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEo8poVlQrM [00:13] (bear in mind, I don't like country very much...) [00:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:16] i had a girlfriend who would wake me up by blasting country. [00:16] that was not cool. [00:17] Urchlay, indeed. [00:17] David Alan Coe's most famous song. [00:17] Too bad Nashville sucks anymore. [00:17] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.42.53) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Little Suzie Shallow Throat [00:17] haha [00:17] Motoko-chan: I live in Georgia and I worked in a Waffle House for 7 or 8 years [00:18] must have heard this song on the jukebox 500 times [00:18] lol [00:18] Hey rk4n3, how's it going? [00:18] crazyhors (n=dirk@75.159.68.169) joined ##slackware. [00:18] hey firebird619 - not too bad - you ? [00:18] I have some Hank Sr. [00:18] rk4n3: doing excellent, thanks. [00:18] cool :) [00:19] Hank Sr. I can tolerate. Also Johnny Cash is cool. [00:19] and Willie Nelson is basically a redneck Bob Dylan :) [00:20] ... or is Bob Dylan a redneck Willie Nelson ? [00:20] Don't forget George Jones and Merle Haggard [00:20] Merle Haggard and Eddie Arnold - two if my favorites :) [00:20] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:21] can't remember anything by them off the top of my head. Though I know the names and would recognize the songs if I heard 'em [00:21] "Make the World Go Away" (Eddie Arnold) [00:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz2aNifcy20 <-- George Jones [00:21] rk4n3: I've heard that song before. [00:22] crazyhors (n=dirk@75.159.68.169) left ##slackware. [00:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UZUJQ5i8gk <-- Merle [00:22] Mashandar (n=ben@CPE-121-219-128-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:22] hello everyone [00:22] Hi Mashandar [00:22] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.242) left irc: "Leaving." [00:22] "Okie from Muskogee" (Merle Haggard) [00:22] how is everyone? [00:22] excellent, thanks. yourself? [00:23] good [00:23] My family listened to country when I was little. [00:23] anyone else on slackware64-current? [00:23] I know a lot of 80s acts and classic stuff. [00:23] Not I yet. [00:23] does anyone here like comics? [00:23] Action: Motoko-chan does [00:23] On the latest updates from today yet? [00:23] http://www.wolfire.com/comic#eRc8 [00:23] Dominian: yes [00:23] Motoko-chan: mine did too, which drove me nuts (for many years after moving out of there I couldn't stand any kind of country music) [00:23] chopp: Have you done an X -configure yet? [00:24] If not, don't risk it unless you are willing to risk the chance of locking up your PC [00:24] I've had a few beers so I will wait until tomorrow to update to -current [00:24] or maybe longer [00:24] Dominian: after upgrade, I just re-installed my nvidia driver, and was good to go. [00:24] Mashandar, eh. [00:25] chopp: no.. did the same thing.. however.. my mouse started acting odd.. two of the buttons aren't recognized.. so did an X -configure.. locked my box up [00:25] I can reproduce it at will too.. [00:25] Dominian: as soon as I get something done at the house I'll be on 64-current [00:25] alisonken1noc: cool [00:25] Motoko-chan: it's a new comic started up from wolfire. they are working on a the sequel to lugaru, a ninja rabbit fighting game, and it'll have a linux client :) [00:25] especially now that I have to upgrade pidgin to get otr working properly :) [00:26] Mashandar, 38G Comics/ [00:26] heh [00:26] whoa [00:26] Well, just needed to find someone else that has had the same issue with X -configure locking their system up [00:26] looking for tools, found a relic [00:26] Dominian: allright, thanks for the heads up. However I have a few slackbuilds that are causing me grief. :P [00:26] if its just me... I'll just reinstall. [00:26] heya chopp, how's it going? [00:26] Well, I haven't been able to confirm it yet.. need someone else with slackware64-current + latest updates to see if it does the same thing to them. [00:26] my badge from the 3rd annual atlanta linux showcase, in 1999 [00:27] good firebird619 and you? [00:27] classic [00:27] chopp: doing excellent, thanks. [00:27] right on [00:27] complete with typo'd exhibitor name "linus general store" [00:28] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:33] ... oh gawd Urchlay... This song is awful! [00:33] Action: agentc0re throws up [00:34] Which song? [00:34] agentc0re: if you wanna hear great country ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9b2zB3HwOM&feature=related# [00:34] last link urchlay gave me. [00:34] Ah. [00:35] I hate country tbh. [00:35] Oh btw, today is my friday!! \0/ 4 day weekend! [00:35] agentc0re, I think I know something you might like. [00:35] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [00:35] But first, what do you usually listen to? [00:36] Syaiful_Romadhon (n=Yin@125.163.222.22) left irc: "GNU/Linux Zenwalk 5.4 Community Edition [Leaving]" [00:36] agentc0re: well I did use the word "inflict"... [00:36] Punk, rock, alternative.. [00:36] i inflict pain with farts [00:36] agentc0re, try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeAEdAiV4o0 [00:37] jeev: are you the judge from the texas chili cook-off? [00:37] i wish but i dont like the taste of spicey foods [00:37] This might also be your style too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEY8ARSGHTU [00:38] jeev: you might find this amusing, if you haven't already seen it: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/544975/posts [00:40] Motoko-chan: Wow first one sounds like a really bad DK slash country wanna be :P hahah. it's amusing though :D [00:41] FRANK: My ears are ringing, and I can no linger focus my eyes. I farted and four people behind me needed paramedics. The contestant seemed offended when I told her that her chili had given me brain damage. Sally saved my tongue from bleeding by pouring beer directly from a pitcher onto it. It really pisses me off that the other judges asked me to stop screaming. Freakin' Rednecks! ! ! [00:41] lol [00:42] read the comments though [00:42] thought you'd be amused by that [00:42] Urchlay: haha, nice link. [00:42] bunch of doofoids talkin about terrorism, oct 2001 heh [00:43] <|Slacker|> who's this weirdo? [00:43] he's my idol [00:43] dunno, that link's something my dad sent me [00:44] <|Slacker|> lol [00:44] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] <|Slacker|> FRANK: My intestines are now a straight pipe filled with gaseous, sulphuric flames. No one seems inclined to stand behind me except that slut Sally. I need to wipe my ass with a snow cone! [00:45] <|Slacker|> lmao! [00:45] :) [00:46] FRANK: I felt something scraping across my tongue, but was unable to taste it. Sally, the barmaid, was standing behind me with fresh refills; that 300 lb bitch is starting to look HOT, just like this nuclear-waste I'm eating. [00:46] man i fart bullet trains [00:47] jeev: nobody here doubts your prowess in the field of flatulence [00:47] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [00:47] next time i'll record the paint coming off the wall [00:48] nobody here wants to get within 10 miles of you without a hazmat suit, either [00:48] they've raised it to a nasa suit, hazmat got nothing on me [00:48] FRANK: - - - - - Mama?- - - (Editor's Note: Judge # 3 was unable to report). [00:48] jeev: ever try to catch em in a jar and let em age a bit, then release the lid? :P [00:49] i wish. [00:49] a jar isn't powerful enough to capture the death gas [00:49] haha [00:49] we could solve the nation's energy problems by proper use of this deadly but powerful gas... [00:49] Urchlay: LOL @ link. [00:50] Hmm, kmail seems to have froze, I was moving mail around, I *hope* it's just taking a while. [00:50] Urchlay, actually socal gas connects up to me at nights and i get monies direct deposited [00:50] adrianno (n=godfathe@189.114.191.89) joined ##slackware. [00:50] they say i'm only producing about 1000 therms worth [00:50] firebird619: It's probably a bug deleting all your email, which is why it's taking so long :P [00:50] they give me around 250 a month on avg [00:50] phew, thank gosh, it's done, all is well. [00:50] adrianno (n=godfathe@189.114.191.89) left ##slackware. [00:51] agentc0re: haha. OH MY GOSH, my e-mail. IT'S GONE, ALL GONE. :P [00:51] hmmm, I typed "rm -rf / tmp/junkfiles", why is it taking so long to... nooooo! [00:51] lol [00:51] gwg i j [00:51] heh i just noticed the space [00:51] jeev: the good news is, you have plenty of free disk space now [00:52] i've got enough [00:52] /dev/md0 1.4T 97G 1.2T 8% /storage [00:52] i might send 2 more 1.5tb's [00:52] but that should be enough for the datacenter [00:52] is that what you're calling mom's basement now? [00:52] :) [00:53] no you turd gurdle [00:53] Urchlay: LOL [00:53] anyone ever used a WD Caviar Green 1TB SATA drive? I need to know how to set it up using linux. :\ [00:53] I thought that was called the, Warlocks Lair! [00:53] jescis [00:53] what is there to know ? [00:54] treat it like another hard drive [00:54] /dev/mapper/vg_home-lv_home 2.0T 1.3T 755G 63% /home [00:54] I think "green" just means "we have a surplus of the old, slow, 5400RPM drives, how the heck are we going to get people to buy them?" [00:54] yea Urchlay [00:54] agentc0re: I actually did that the other day, in trying to fix fonts, I inadvertently deleted the folder containing kmail config and mail. Luckily though, for a while I've bounced around between e-mail clients and keep mail on the server so it was just an easy import away from getting it all back. [00:54] jeev: I can't seem to partition it with cfdisk [00:54] that green stuff is wackz0r [00:54] how so jescis ? [00:54] I mean there's nothing special about 'em, they're just drives [00:54] partition and reboot. that's what i do [00:55] then install or do whatever [00:55] jescis: what happens when you try cfdisk? [00:55] OS: Windows Vista Professional 6.0 SP1 (Build #6001) CPU: Intel Core i7 CPU 940 @, 2.97 GHz, 0KB Video: RDPDD Chained DD (1280x800x32bpp ) Sound: Remote Playback (Microsoft RDP Audio Transport) Memory: Used: 1/4096MB Uptime: 1w 5d 10h 38m 16s HD: Free: 1299.54 GB/3390.69 GB Connection: Realtek RTL8168D/8111D Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0) @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 3359.94MB Sent: 2384.89MB) [00:55] sorry [00:55] stupid windows [00:55] it's 12 gigs of ram [00:55] lol [00:55] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.253.252) joined ##slackware. [00:56] i still cant believe i run vista. [00:56] jeev: wow, you have quite a machine there. I'm jealous [00:56] hehe [00:56] "CPU: Intel Core i7 CPU 940 @, 2.97 GHz, 0KB"... is the 0KB because you don't have any CPU cache, or because the reporting app is broken? [00:56] reporting app sucks [00:56] probably cdause i'm running 64bit [00:56] it's oc'd to 3.10 right now, had it at 3.6 but when i added 6 more gigs of ram, something happened with the clocking [00:57] Action: firebird619 steals jeev's machine, runs for the hills, and installs slackware-current. :D [00:57] and i'm too lazy [00:57] Organizm: I can't seem to access it. I tried /dev/sda. But it gives fatal error trying to access [00:57] think of how she would pur with slack64 on it [00:57] twolf, got virtualbox on it :/ that's all [00:57] s/slackware-current/slackware64-current/ [00:57] i cant truly dedicate myself to anything other than windowss except for server env [00:57] voodoopushy (n=godfathe@189.114.191.89) joined ##slackware. [00:57] jescis: is the new drive the only one in the machine? [00:57] he hasn't told us what's wrong with cfdisk [00:58] jescis: (and do you already have slackware installed, or is this a new install?) [00:58] Urchlay: no. I have other ones that are on ide... including the DVD-R/W drive [00:59] jescis, what is cfdisk doing [00:59] jescis: could it be a bios issue that it needs a compatibilty setting for sata? [00:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:59] oh, fatal error [01:00] voodoopushy (n=godfathe@189.114.191.89) left irc: [01:00] jescis, got a winblows cd? [01:00] see if that works. [01:00] why not just use fdisk? [01:00] what makes you think it's showing up as /dev/sda? just guessing, or something from dmesg? [01:00] 0_o [01:00] twolf: it doesn't seem to say it can't find it anymore. And it's listed when I look at dmesg :\ [01:01] try "fdisk -l", see what all drives show up, and compare to the output of "mount" with no parameters. You should see one drive with in the first list that doesn't appear in the 2nd [01:01] s/with // [01:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:02] heya Camarade_Tux [01:03] comrad [01:03] Action: firebird619 pours ice water on Camarade_Tux's head. :D [01:03] there's a problem at the kremlin [01:03] he's side tracked [01:04] side tracked with what? that is the question. :P [01:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:06] i dunno [01:06] the point is he's the russian go to guy [01:06] me either. The world may never know. [01:07] umm [01:07] dmesg says "ara1: SARA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE100 bmdma 0xE500 irq 11" [01:07] Russian? [01:07] SATA* [01:07] Camarade_Tux is French [01:07] don't you see that hostmask? [01:07] heya firebird619, jeev :) [01:07] hey antiwire [01:07] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:07] hey [01:07] Camarade_Tux: Hey, how goes it? [01:08] firebird619, pretty nice, you ? :) [01:08] doing excellent, thanks. [01:08] tiz a joke [01:08] antiwire, the kremlin spoofs * [01:09] im so glad i yelled at charter [01:09] "our high speed network is faster than anything!" [01:09] "no mam, my fart travels faster than your internet" [01:09] did yelling help? your speed still low. [01:09] Action: Camarade_Tux 's pulling slackware-current and will start slackware64-current this evening [01:09] Camarade_Tux: I pulled slackware-current earlier and borked my current vm. :D [01:10] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] no, i cancelled [01:11] firebird619, hahaha, what did you do ? [01:11] jeev: nice. what are you on right now then? who did you switch/going to switch to? [01:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:11] Action: firebird619 hangs head in shame. Camarade_Tux, don't ask. :P [01:11] Camarade_Tux: will pebkac suffice for an answer? [01:12] this scares me : http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/ubuntu-aims-for-ten-second-boot-time.ars [01:12] They're so bloated, what are they going to do to get 10 seconds? [01:12] firebird619, no, I want the details, ALL the details ! ;) [01:12] firebird619, exactly ;) [01:13] ALL details is I just ran slackpkg to update, forgetting that stuff was added, removed, etc. and didn't do that first, i.e. remove what was removed, etc. I FAIL. :( [01:13] actually the problem is not even that they are bloated, I'm not sure slackware13 could boot in 10 seconds and still work everywhere [01:13] firebird619, hahaha :p [01:13] firebird619, but the system doesn't work anymore ? not at all ? [01:13] don't laugh at me, it's NOT FUNNY. :( :P [01:14] Camarade_Tux: nope, I just get a blank, black screen with a square cursor. [01:14] Haven't worked on it much yet, got side tracked with other things. [01:15] oh, kernel 2.6.30 released [01:15] gonna be a funny week-end :) [01:15] firebird619, but that's only X which is borked, right ? [01:15] comrad's wedding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syrwqwQADgg [01:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:16] firebird619, i dont know [01:16] for now, i have an illegitimate [01:16] cable connection [01:17] i'll ride off that for a while [01:17] Camarade_Tux: I think just X, yes. [01:17] bbiab [01:17] jeev, I wouldn't say no to the wife ;) [01:17] hm. This bass actually sounds kinda good drop-tuned to D [01:17] antiwire: I see that ath5k indeed has no AP mode in 2.6.30 :( [01:18] "Some of the KDE 4.3 highlights include PolicyKit integration," gah [01:18] yeah some of the kde 4.3 highlights include no automatic pin entry [01:19] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: "Leaving" [01:19] and kmail constantly asking for your POP3 / SMTP password even though you already gave it to kmail [01:19] that tetris song rules [01:20] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [01:20] otoh policykit isn't pam [01:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEKDF_WbMlg [01:21] :( [01:21] sad. i miss those days [01:23] alienBOB, rworkman, btw, I made a sad face yesterday when I read the new xorg didn't have nouveau, but now I remember how often it was modified and how many small quirks it had so in the end, I'm pretty happy it's not in slackware right now :) [01:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [01:24] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] fedora shipped nouveau [01:24] to get sunk :/ [01:25] jeev: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhJs2tqRnU [01:25] :D [01:25] someone kick him, he said fedora [01:25] or he's paying attention to fedora [01:25] agentc0re, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpFBFzE9xM [01:25] i-node (i=744464c5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2820b697a9d699d2) joined ##slackware. [01:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [01:26] now, I'd like to read a good comment on policykit and a hater's comment to [01:26] init[1] (n=init[1]@116.68.100.197) joined ##slackware. [01:26] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:26] heya Camarade_Tux ! [01:27] agentc0re, that's one of the best soundtracks evfer [01:27] hey init[1] [01:28] how's your netbook problem goin ! [01:29] init[1], we'll see that on tomorrow :) [01:29] I'm going to completely bork my friend's computer : new kernel, new xorg... ;p [01:29] hmmmm, slackware64-current downloading quite fast :) [01:30] what mirror [01:30] cat /dev/self_on_a_chair > /dev/shower && rm /dev/self_on_a_chair [01:31] jeev, slackware.no [01:31] ahh [01:31] about 500KB/s which I find good enough [01:31] i got 64-current in 6 minutes from tds [01:31] i think it was 80mbit hehe [01:31] jeev: what is your speed ? [01:31] gigabit [01:31] in my cage. [01:31] one of the slackware64 mirrors was faster but it doesn't host slackware afaict [01:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:31] at home? stolen cable modem up to 33mbit [01:32] but paid wouldn't even do what i paid it to do [01:32] jeev: lol ! [01:32] :> [01:32] and /me in Europe, with less local mirrors [01:32] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-191-231.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:32] back. :) /me watches everybody run. [01:33] but I'll check tds [01:33] well, hopefully kernel.org mirrors slack soon [01:33] jeev: i have 10KB/s connection,now how does that sound ! Slackware dvd would take 1 week [01:33] firebird619, yeah, me runs, gonna be late again ;p [01:33] Camarade_Tux: haha, AGAIN??? [01:33] jeebus init[1] [01:33] Does this remind anyone else of tool? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_R2R4illVI [01:33] Camarade_Tux, policykit is insanity on steroids (the same for pulseaudio) [01:33] firebird619, no, not again, ALWAYS ! ;) [01:33] mohaa, was that the balanced comment or the hater's one ? [01:34] Camarade_Tux, a realistic one -_- [01:34] agentc0re, what tool [01:34] agentc0re: to an extent, yes. [01:34] mohaa, hahaha :p [01:34] jeev: Tool is a band. [01:34] oh, no wonder i saw some fools with a sticker on their back windows [01:34] firebird619: at any rate, i think that is a bad ass thing to do. [01:35] yeah [01:35] Camarade_Tux, policykit is conspiracy (the same for pulseaudio) [01:35] mohaa, during a moment, I thought I could have to use it but atually I won't require super-privileges so I should be able to stay away from that hopefully :) [01:35] jeev: haha [01:35] They're a good band too, imo anyway. [01:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] Camarade_Tux, now we need permissions to click-on :D [01:35] agentc0re: quite creative too to think to do that. [01:36] listen to black hawk down soundtrack. [01:36] i-node (i=744464c5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2820b697a9d699d2) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [01:36] I really didn't that instrument could do all of that. this is pretty awesome too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYpmioWxXrQ [01:36] firebird619: Tool is awesome. [01:36] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:37] mohaa, haha :) [01:37] agentc0re: agreed. [01:37] agentc0re: It sounds more like to the more you listen too, that first link. [01:37] tool \\o o// \o/ [01:37] firebird619: I told ya! [01:37] firebird619: :D [01:37] Camarade_Tux: what the heck is that? :P [01:37] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] agentc0re: whoa, that second link is cool tool. [01:38] you guys seen black hawk down, right? [01:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMMAQbJeG8E [01:38] listen to that.. beautiful. [01:38] firebird619, what what ? Tool ? [01:38] agentc0re: He's pretty good at that. [01:38] listen or else [01:38] Camarade_Tux: No, the \\o o// \o/. Cheerleader pyramid gone wrong? [01:38] if you like Tool, you may also like ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUGHEBCQ-VE [01:38] or else what? you'll release your gas on ##slackware? :P [01:39] jeev, yes... we applauded illegal copies in Africa before offical [01:39] firebird619, yeah, cheerleaders but only moving their arms and displayed in an irc-friendly way [01:39] mohaa, huh, came out 6 years ago or something [01:39] jeron (n=jeron@61.34.58.5) joined ##slackware. [01:39] tool \\o [01:39] tool o// [01:39] tool \o/ [01:39] jeev: that link is very good. [01:39] (that was the unfriendly way) [01:39] Camarade_Tux: Ah, I see. [01:39] testing... [01:40] jeev, yes... we enjoyed it here ; seeing americans getting filled their a** [01:40] 1...2...3...test complete. :D [01:40] jeron: can't see you, try reconnecting [01:40] hey i am totally new and i need help: how do i install HALO? [01:40] lol mohaa [01:40] mohaa, where you from? [01:41] what part of africa [01:41] rk4n3: nice link. [01:41] :) [01:41] jeev, Mayotte [01:41] ... absolutely great band - I saw them open for Sevendust [01:41] never heard of. [01:41] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-092-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] recaptcha sometimes provides really unredable texts [01:41] rk4n3: I want to say I've heard that song before, but can't remember exactly. [01:41] (Atomship that is) [01:41] jeev, are you american ? [01:41] The beginning of that sounds quite familiar. [01:41] firebird619: notice the drummer specifically ? :) [01:42] mohaa, armenian from iran [01:42] jeron (n=jeron@61.34.58.5) left irc: Client Quit [01:42] ah ok [01:42] antiwire: jeron didn't last long. :P [01:42] lol [01:42] mohaa, my friend is nigerian hehe [01:43] jeev, that's somewhere around madagascar [01:43] firebird619: Not sure but it might have been a failed troll attempt [01:43] yeah, I think it was. [01:43] He wanted to install HALO. :P [01:43] hehe [01:43] pretty far actually but ok [01:43] depends [01:44] antiwire: should have directed him to #windows. :P [01:44] or #ubuntu. [01:44] there are slackers all around the globe :P [01:44] mohaa: technically, the universe [01:44] antiwire, yes universe :> [01:45] OH FUCK SO? OBAMA OVERTHREW OUR GVT IN A REVOLUTION, OUTLAWED OPPOSITION PARTIES, ABOLISHED PRIVATE PROPERTY AND FAVORS THE WORKING CLASS? [01:45] he's kind of a Fascist if you ask me. [01:45] There's slackers all over the place. [01:45] lol [01:45] what a comment on USSR national anthem [01:45] i swear people are idiots. [01:45] antiwire: but only 280 dedicated Slackware users turn put to this channel :) [01:45] *turn up [01:45] init[1]: There's been over 300 before. [01:45] :D [01:46] on new release days it balloons [01:46] firebird619: :) well atleast avg 500 slackware users know Linux now [01:46] oft is sportin' ~50 right now [01:46] init[1]: wow, I didn't follow that at all ... [01:47] init[1]: at least 500 slackware users know Linux ? [01:47] sarnt eversman [01:47] antiwire: i haven't been here on release day .. i will surly come here for SW13 release [01:48] rk4n3: i made my linux but i accidentally all of it. [01:48] rk4n3: i mean there is a saying "When you use redhat we learn redhat,when we use slackware we learn Linux" [01:48] :P [01:48] init[1]: ah - OK I can see that part ... what's the "500" part about though ? [01:48] antiwire: lol [01:49] 500 - Internal Server Error [01:49] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:49] rk4n3: i mean this channel avg , i haven't counted channels like #slackware-ru etc [01:49] well there is no way it could be 501 [01:49] init[1]: aha - OK :) [01:50] agentc0re: haha [01:50] AHHH. Kmail's gone mad, it's download all the mail I already have. [01:50] downloading [01:51] firebird619: are you using gmail ? [01:51] mail clients gone wild [01:51] Thank gosh for the remove duplicate e-mails feature. [01:51] heh [01:51] or personal domain? [01:51] gmail sucks because it doesn't separate emails. [01:51] init[1]: yeah, but this wasn't that, it was my isp mail. [01:51] twolf: lol "When e-mail clients attack" [01:52] gmails ajax interface is quite ok but it takes time to load :( [01:52] 108 friggen e-mails I already had. :P [01:52] firebird619: have you tried Zimbra from yahoo [01:52] I only use the html one [01:53] yeah, slackware/ downloaded, now onto source/ [01:53] jeev: doesn't they cascade similar mails ? [01:53] init[1]: I've checked it out before, yes. It's nice, but I didn't care for it enough to use it all the time. [01:53] yea, not interested [01:53] Camarade_Tux: \o/ :) [01:53] hmm.. [01:53] and late !: [01:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] Ugh, remove duplicates can't even delete the duplicates right, it left a bunch behind. [01:54] twolf: mail client porn? WHoa! Is that like K-mail with it's "skin" off? [01:54] Kmail, uncensored and untamed. [01:55] don't let your mail client go to Panama Beach on spring break! [01:55] haha [01:55] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "sono timeout" [01:55] It'll come back with spam you CAN'T get rid off. :P [01:56] bbiab [01:56] twolf:/ spring break / prison break ;) sounds matching [01:56] permaspam? [01:57] man you guys need to be yanni fans [01:57] no, we don't. [01:57] yes you do [01:57] like a need a hole in my head [01:57] what does yanni even do? sing? play flute? [01:57] I know he looks like weird al, only less manly [01:57] don't mind jeev, he's odd. [01:57] i dont know, writes music and gets the best musicians [01:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U79esEAO7kk listen ot the entire song if your wang is 7+ inches [01:58] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:58] go look for "sun ra" on youtube [01:58] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/06/10/1243232/Linux-Kernel-2630-Released?from=rss [01:58] that guy got the best musicians, but fired them for playing one wrong note or showing up 5 minutes late for practice [01:58] that dude freaks me the hell out. [01:59] who, sun ra? he's pretty freaky [01:59] no yanni [01:59] bah [01:59] oh. Yeah, also freaky, but not in a good way [01:59] init[1]: Linux server 2.6.30-SRV #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jun 10 17:31:25 PDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [01:59] he may be pretty gay but it's great music [02:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] antiwire: well , its matter time differnce ,when you guys are awake we are asleep ;) [02:01] ! [02:01] stop wasting time asleep! [02:01] antiwire: i mean day and night [02:01] :p [02:02] so really, wtf is yanni? is he a conductor or something? [02:02] antiwire: 10th Jun right ? [02:02] Wed Jun 10 23:02:25 PDT 2009 [02:02] yesterday [02:02] "composer" maybe [02:02] Urchlay: antiwire doesn't he play the piano well [02:02] probably he'd burst into flame if he touched an actual musical instrument [02:03] Nick change: slackmag1c -> slackmagic [02:03] he's just sitting there trippin' ballz while the other dudes play [02:03] I'd pay to see that [02:03] lol [02:03] (sorta like the Dilbert strip where he holds up a printout and goes "Look guys, actual code!" and they run away screaming) [02:03] listen to that damn song ass munchers [02:03] i am! [02:03] its beeeeeeeeyoooooooooooteeeful [02:03] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [02:04] antiwire: what about Han simmer [02:04] hans zimmer is amazing too [02:04] black hawk down soundtrack.. [02:04] the Last Samurai Sound track [02:04] wow awesome ! [02:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMMAQbJeG8E [02:04] you know, believe it or not I actually liked the Last Samurai [02:04] i dont think i saw it [02:05] some people hated it but I thought it was good [02:05] antiwire: me too , just love how the movie flows .. soft [02:05] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [02:05] antiwire: i think those who Love slackware would certainly like it . [02:05] slackware lovers will love the yanni - live at the acropolis cd [02:06] concert from 1994.. wow, i remember watching it on PBS and playing in sync on my piano [02:06] i was a tiny one. fat. but small. yet still obese [02:06] axius (n=axius@92.82.95.64) joined ##slackware. [02:08] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:08] antiwire, like the song ? [02:08] it's good [02:08] yanni just weirds me out. [02:08] i know he looks realy gay and makes gay moves [02:09] jeev: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFLMLHPVhaw [02:09] i bet chicks melt for that dude though [02:09] it's fscking yanni [02:09] hm. you said something about "he's gay but he's a good musician" and got me started digging for Jane's Addiction... [02:09] (they are a kick ass band, don't care if they're gay, straight, bi, or alien) [02:10] have you seen my wig around? [02:10] I feel naked without it [02:10] will listen to it next [02:10] antiwire, yanni got jailed for beating his girlfriend and kicking her out lol [02:10] unfortunately I don't have "mountain song" in this collection :( [02:10] jeev: wtf!! [02:10] sidmario (n=xxx@201-43-56-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [02:10] How to delete a directory wich is not empty ? [02:10] oh man [02:10] lol [02:10] he found out she wasn't a dude [02:10] You know what i love?? [02:10] axius: rm -rf directory [02:10] SCATMAN!!! [02:11] axius: rm -rf dir_here but be FRAKING careful [02:11] jeev: ok jeev ! but if you like blackhawk you will love that too :) [02:11] init[1], hope so [02:11] yeah, "rm -rf" is a loaded gun, don't point it anything you don't intend to kill forever [02:11] Action: init[1] gona recompile xchat for spell checking [02:11] antiwire, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynv9pyPr0fg&feature=related [02:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHLMAmrvFmI [02:11] pretty good.. [02:12] init[1], my laptops speakers sort of blow. [02:12] i'm at UCLA right now and it's undie run [02:12] the girls are outside running around half naked [02:12] and guys [02:12] before you ask, im inside with my girlfriend. she is packing (graduating) [02:13] antiwire, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_B7MgsYObA [02:13] naked girls outside, and you're in your room talking on IRC? [02:13] jeev: you mean Last Samurai [02:13] wtf is wrong with you dood? [02:13] init[1], yea my speakers aren't loud enough [02:13] agentc0re, my girlfriend is here man ;) [02:13] the girls aren't really in their underwear, maybe a few [02:13] ... WTF is wrong with you dood? [02:13] but all i see are shjort shorts and it's dark [02:14] jeev: ok .. well its kinda soothing [02:14] init[1], listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_B7MgsYObA RIGHT NOW [02:14] antiwire: sometimes 3-chord rock & roll is the best [02:14] Urchlay, listen. [02:14] wait... Is your GF on the #slackware channel? [02:15] no.. [02:15] antiwire: see if you can find a live "chip away" where they brought about 50 guys on stage with snare drums [02:15] lol [02:15] I saw 'em do that, they had people from the other bands, road crew, a couple people from the audience... it was a *massive* sound [02:16] so you are just ignoring her right now then? Hot chick in your room and/or hot chicks outside and you'd rather join the sausage fest here in the irc channel right now? [02:16] lol [02:16] I saw them on the Nothing Shocking tour, that was the most intense show I ever saw [02:16] dood she's packing [02:16] Chip Away encore [02:16] Well i'll tell you what she should be packing. Your bike in her trunk. Get my drift? ;) [02:16] lol [02:16] twolf: damn, I didn't get to see them until lalapalooza (however you spell it) in '90 [02:17] lets just say she has morals i guess.. [02:17] rm -rf ./morals [02:17] :> [02:17] morals is a hidden dir? :P [02:17] the lolapalooza shows were good too, then the bastards broke up [02:17] /join naked-hotchicks-running-around-bottom-of-dorm [02:17] she's worth the wait, as i said before, sex isn't that fun for me so i can wait. she's the cutest thing ever [02:17] i mean it's fun but [02:17] i'm not a woman pleaser, so it's not fun for them hahaa [02:18] lol [02:18] needle dick [02:18] chopp: LOL [02:18] just being able to admit that deserves a beer [02:18] oh, not dick size you random comment tosser [02:18] s/needle/noodle? :P [02:18] i'll just go until i jizz and if im not prepped then that's fast.. and i get lazy ? [02:18] haha [02:18] s/noodle/nozzle [02:19] apparently i have magic fingers so no girl has complained to me before [02:19] lol [02:19] here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm2Z9Mr9Ilw [02:19] is that Flea? [02:19] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:19] but im sure they tell everyone it's a quickie. literally [02:19] I have a magic fist [02:19] nasty man [02:19] i aint ever been with a girl that nasty [02:19] ;) [02:19] lmao [02:19] ahahahah [02:19] my dick could barely fit in most of them lol [02:19] yep thats flea [02:19] one girl said she was hurtin for a week, not sure if she was hyping it up or not [02:20] but she was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tight.. [02:20] like tossing a hot dog down a hallway ? [02:20] omfg LOL [02:20] and she'd be with two other guys lol [02:20] lol rk4n3 yea [02:20] damn I forgot of Mountain Song [02:20] lolol hot dog down a hallway [02:20] :) [02:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpHLEm9-0bg [02:20] i lol'd my girlfriends like what ar eyou laughing at.. io'm like this guy online. didnt say who [02:21] I worked in a machine shop when as an apprentice when I was in junior high and the master machinist was an older english guy. whenever I'd screw up a part and the fit was wrong, he's inspect it and yell at me "well that fit like a dog's cock in a bucket!!" [02:21] agentc0re: you are a strange person.. or anyway the scatman is [02:21] antiwire: OMFG [02:21] antiwire: hahaha [02:21] Urchlay: I love that song. Reminds me of Night at the Roxbury. Love that movie. [02:22] you see why i'm the way i am now? [02:22] heh [02:22] lol [02:22] that's funny but nothing like tossing a hotdog down a hallway [02:22] machine shops are no place for a nice young man [02:22] antiwire: that explains so much, yes. :) [02:22] antiwire: haha, That fit like a dogs cockin a bucket! thats great! [02:22] haha [02:22] I am totally going to use that line somewhere now. [02:22] it's a good one [02:22] It'll probably end up at work.. [02:22] haha [02:23] You know when someone tries to plug the ps2 in the usb.. [02:23] That'll be a good time to use it. [02:23] or the USB into the ethernet port [02:23] yes it does fit..sort of [02:23] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:23] phone jack in ethernet port [02:23] Like a Dogs cock in a bucket! [02:23] lol [02:23] firebird619: but that works. [02:23] err. s/jack/cord [02:23] agentc0re: sort of, just different size [02:23] RJ11 fits in RJ45 [02:23] But it works. [02:24] true, I FAIL. :( [02:24] I actually punched my phone jacks with RJ45. [02:24] not the first time today. [02:24] lol [02:24] may not be the last, I'll be up about another hour and a half. [02:24] agentc0re: You ever type before you think something out? [02:24] so uh [02:24] antiwire, im considering att u-verse [02:25] firebird619: Ya, most of the 100% of the time. :P [02:25] my parents have that in their house and they have no complaints [02:25] slKIvs (n=ivan@67.114.79.69.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: "Saliendo" [02:25] agentc0re: then you know what just happened to me. :P [02:25] IE: like that last sentence. :P [02:25] haha [02:26] more band names that are good Radiohead [02:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrUjvONIrA been a while since i've heard this one. [02:26] This is what some of us are right now. [02:27] do your parents download crazy style ? [02:28] jeev: no but it's for business and it damn well better stay up [02:28] Oh i forgot to mention, the VA called me back today about the shitty ass sleep study i did a while back ago (if any of you remember that when i had all those damn leads stuck to me and i had to sleep) and turns out i'm half narcoleptic. Meaning that i wont just fall asleep but it's the reason i am so sleepy during the day. [02:28] SO they are going to end up sending me some pills to keep me alert during the day. [02:28] aka, SPEED. [02:28] agentc0re: I remember that. [02:28] youtube should be banned :P [02:28] its a government conspiracy [02:29] all y all youtube freaks [02:29] if any agency is going to send me drugs i'd take them [02:29] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:29] mohaa: lol. I ban it at work, is that good enough? [02:29] BOFH ftw. [02:29] antiwire: don't take them, they have nano-bots in them that will control your body [02:29] rk4n3: does that mean i get to sleep while they do that though? [02:29] my own cooties will kill the nano bots [02:30] no, you don't get to sleep - they need you to watch in horror ... and cooties, while killing the nano-bots, mate with them and produce super-cyber-cooties that are under government control, too [02:31] i think he burned the pizza [02:31] Heres a good late night remix, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48 [02:31] nix_chix0r: see what happens when women get on the internet? they burn the food. [02:31] Hey nix_chix0r. How's it going? [02:31] get to try some home made rasberry wine from a co worker hope she didnt put drugs in it [02:31] no, pizza is a mind-control substance, too [02:31] make sure you blare this one loud! [02:31] :D [02:31] ... notice how you can never get it off your mind ? I can't ... [02:33] agentc0re, even [02:33] Oh hey, if that uzr dude comes in here looking for me (i think his ban was lifted earlier) i am actually going to be gone until sunday. Please pass the word along. :D [02:34] He won't stay long if he does. [02:34] that guy crossed the line. [02:34] fair enough. [02:34] eh, what'd he do? [02:35] Urchlay: Ohh that was a good one, check your logs. [02:36] looken... [02:36] today? [02:36] chopp: yeah [02:36] rworkman: when alienBOB banned him he typoed for 91d in the reason but i think he mean to do it for that long. after a few hours(before i left work) i saw slackboy throw out a -b on his ban. Not sure if alien changed his mind or maybe it doesn't work that way.. i dunno. Thought i'd mention it while we were on the subject though. [02:36] s/mean/meant [02:36] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-092-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:36] All bans are cleared, but slackboy remembers them and resets them on re-entry [02:36] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:37] nheco (n=nheco@189.74.199.163) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:37] oic. [02:37] makes sense. [02:37] agentc0re: damn [02:37] Urchlay: You should have seen what he said in the slamd64 channel. [02:38] Urchlay: http://pastebin.com/m98a1238 if you are interested. [02:40] gods [02:40] well that's way too far from what i did with my bot by mistake ;) [02:40] init[1]: It makes what you did look like childs play. [02:41] agentc0re: yes indeed , but i do regret what i did, btw i was trying to learn bots. i never intened any harm to channel :( [02:43] init[1]: what did you do with a bot? [02:43] just 1 bot or a bot net? [02:44] antiwire: i'm not familar with bots at all. i nvr had intention of creating even a bot net. [02:44] *never [02:44] what happened though? [02:44] did your eggy join up and start going ape? [02:44] since i like slackware channle i had put ##slackware into egg config [02:45] *channel [02:45] thing was i was telneting the bot ,the bot started join and disconnecting [02:45] antiwire: he let a bot in here that kept joining and quiting. [02:45] lol [02:45] i was away from channel [02:45] as i was trying command on bot with telnet [02:46] it created such a mess [02:46] that finally alienBOB made up his mind to ban me ! [02:46] antiwire: you said your guitar came with a wrench to adjust the trussrod? [02:47] Urchlay: I don't have a guitar, probably someone else [02:47] init[1]: that was you? the dancing.bot.shellium.org whatever it was? [02:47] Urchlay: yeah, that was init [02:47] its removed now i mean *shellium.org [02:47] its baned from this channel [02:48] agentc0re, the other guy whose name starts with A.... [02:48] init[1]: I'm sure you've been punished enough, so I won't smack you upside the head with anything... [02:49] Urchlay: Yes it did. [02:49] :) foof thank you Urchlay [02:49] agentc0re: are you any good at guitar tech stuff? [02:49] Urchlay: but like a fool, i lost it and just use my tool set. [02:49] (02:06:42 PM) uzr: lets go nigger [02:49] nothing I have here will work, have to wait until I have my car back :( [02:49] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:49] Urchlay: Well i know that i want my strings close to the frets so that it's not as hard to push them down :D [02:49] wth [02:49] :D [02:49] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] mohaa: Ya, that's horrible. [02:50] it's not a ban that he needs but a brain [02:50] a rebirth [02:50] a priest [02:50] agentc0re: well yeah. Apparently what I need to do is *loosen* the truss rod (let the neck bow a little more) in order to lower the action. Wanted to check my conclusion with someone more experienced and less forgetful... [02:50] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:51] Action: Urchlay used to be an OK guitar tech 10+ years ago [02:51] Urchlay: Ya, i was stupid and didn't know when i had first got my guitar. So i had been playing with it bowed out the total wrong way and the strings were far from the frets making it hard to play. [02:51] good thing about it is it made me get used to the strings more quickly. [02:52] agentc0re: I tried lowering the string height with the bridge saddles (I have the right tool for that), but all that does is make the strings buzz & rattle against the frets [02:52] I am not more experienced i just know thats what you do if you want to make the strings closer to the frets. [02:52] Urchlay: Could be your strings then. [02:52] I can't raise the nut (it's a solid piece of bone) [02:52] Urchlay: Or they could be one octave too low. [02:52] eh, the strings are a known bad quantity, they need replacing [02:53] one octave... it's a bass, it's *supposed* to be an octave lower :) [02:53] heh, ya you know what i mean though. [02:53] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [02:53] It needs to be one more E higher. buzzing can be from lose strings. :D [02:53] actually I don't. You mean they're tuned too low? I tuned the A to a 110Hz test tone [02:54] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:54] sounds like your neck tension needs to be adjusted [02:54] I'm not sure how a base is tuned. whats your 4th string? [02:54] same as a guitar's 4th ... D [02:54] Ah [02:55] rk4n3: yeah... I *think* I'm supposed to loosen the truss rod, giving it more relief (make the neck less straight) [02:55] well maybe tighten the D until you get another D [02:55] eh, not unless I want to put my eye out when the string snaps :) [02:55] Urchlay: that's right - it will eliminate buzz, but make your "action" higher [02:55] ya, i also have never messed with my bridge. [02:55] rk4n3: yah, but once I've done that, I can lower the strings at the bridge, to get the action lower [02:56] Urchlay: yep - finding the balance between the two is the key [02:56] Urchlay: sometimes, you may have to raise the bridge and increase tension (if the bow is too much) [02:56] rk4n3: I think what I might really need is a way to raise the nut... which means finding a taller one or making one out of a blank [02:56] Urchlay: if you can remove the nut, you can put shims underneath it [02:57] I wish i was this good though, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4 [02:57] it's on there pretty tight, possibly glued in place [02:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:57] Urchlay: another technique, if you have a bolt-on neck, is to remove the neck and put shims under its backside to change its angle [02:57] (I suppose I could carefully wedge something under there & try to break the glue bond...) [02:58] yeah, bolt-on. Fender Jazz (actually a JP-90, which has a Jazz neck and a Precision-style body) [02:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:58] OK, you have that as an option too, then [02:58] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CDBE4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@193.92.255.54) joined ##slackware. [02:59] morning [02:59] will try the truss rod first (tomorrow, when I can get to where I actually have the damn wrench I need for it) [02:59] raising the nut is actually something that shouldn't be done unless its actually too low for the first couple of frets ... if you raise it "just to adjust", you may not be able to fret the first couple [02:59] rk4n3: the 1st fret, the string is almost touching it when it's not being played [02:59] keoni (n=chadh@208-106-15-141.dyn.c-h-a-d.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Urchlay: ah, then it is too low and needs to be raised [03:00] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:00] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:00] I could try my wooden nut I made for my crappy project bass [03:00] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:00] yeah, or you could just order a brass nut - they're cheap yet still excellent [03:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:01] got an old bass with a nice brass nut [03:01] cool [03:01] currently that old thing is hard to play due to it having a solid aluminum neck, which has gotten warped (there is no truss rod) [03:01] ouch - that's harsh [03:02] axius (n=axius@92.82.95.64) left irc: "Leaving" [03:02] yeah. Also it weighs a ton, and I can't stand up & play it without my shoulder feeling like ground beef the next day [03:03] sounds like a not-so-fun instrument ... for bass, I play a simple Yamaha - sounds great, plays great, nothing fancy for works well [03:03] s/for/but [03:04] ... but I'm a guitarist (just dabble on bass) [03:04] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:04] the old bass sounds *amazing*, I used it for studio stuff until the neck wore out [03:04] ah, interesting [03:04] (it also has deep gouges in the fingerboard wood, since it's a fretless and I always played roundwounds on it) [03:04] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.95.64) joined ##slackware. [03:05] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] aha [03:05] bleah, and its active pickup does *nothing* if the battery dies. I had it croak on me at one too many gigs, got this fender to use instead [03:06] I hate active pickups [03:06] they sound like crap [03:06] first time I took out the Fender, middle of the first song, the damn strap button rips out of the wood [03:06] haha - I've had that happen to me too :) [03:06] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [03:06] some active pickups sound good to me (for bass. I never tried 'em on a guitar) [03:07] its true you can get away with them better on bass, but I can still always tell [03:07] morning guys ;) [03:07] hows it going today...:) [03:07] hi The-Croupier :) [03:07] most active bass pickups are just *too* damn bright [03:07] hiya rk4n3, hows it going? [03:07] yeah, you definitely have to dial back the highs with active [03:07] if I forgot to trim my fingernails, you can hear the high-pitched "twang" noises [03:08] Hey The-Croupier, how's it going? [03:08] The-Croupier: pretty good - you ? [03:08] ;) firebird619 [03:08] not bad, not bad ;) i think i have a problem with my boss: I AM TOO GOOD, and i DONT STAND UP for myself [03:08] unless things get really bad [03:08] Urchlay: yep - with guitar its even worse when you add overdrive to the equation [03:09] yeah... I do play thru a bass amp with a tiny little preamp tube, to give it a bit of the nonlinear sound [03:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Urchlay: with passive pickups, there's just a really nice warm center to the tone, and the highs aren't so over-stated, so you can do more with the highs on your amp [03:09] I have answered this like twice now, and you are still asking me what I installed) :P [03:09] (nothing like a proper tube amp, but costs nothing like a proper tube amp either) [03:09] this is what i emailed him [03:10] i think he didnt like the :p in the end ;) [03:10] Urchlay: yeah, it took me many years to work up to dropping the cash for a tube amp [03:11] Mashandar (n=ben@CPE-121-219-128-144.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:11] Urchlay: but, I did a few years ago - I play a Mesa Boogie Triple-Rectifier - love it [03:11] iGuacho (n=marco@72.8.67.132) joined ##slackware. [03:11] rk4n3: I do have a small all-tube combo amp, sounds *wonderful* in the studio, but nowhere near loud enough to keep up with a drummer [03:11] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:12] Urchlay: when I play bass on stage, I don't even use an amp - I have a Tech-21 Sans-Amp rackmount unit, and I run it direct into the main board, and have a feed into my monitor - works excellently [03:12] rk4n3: you bring your own monitor? [03:12] some of the places I play, the monitors sound like they're made of cardboard [03:12] Urchlay: well, in a way - I own the PA system, so I bring everyone's monitors :) [03:13] :) [03:13] I also use in-ear monitors when I get the chance - that really rocks [03:14] my ears can't stand having things in them, or on them... only kind of headphones I can even use at all are full-sized cans [03:14] a neat trick that many people never figure out is that you don't need an expensive in-ear wireless system ... you can just run a cable out and wear earphones that plug right in ... I also sing all the songs, so I'm stuck at the mic anyway ... I just bought a really nice set of in-ear phones [03:15] (heh, maybe I should get some old 1970s cans & wear them on stage. Kind of a Devo look...) [03:15] Urchlay: have you tried the really nice custom-molded in-ears ? they're really nice [03:16] Urchlay: it only costs about $60 to get your ears fitted at the ear doctor, then he sends the fitting stuff in and its another $75 to get the things made [03:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] ... you can also get them made around your pick of in-ear phones - I use "Ultimate Ears" phones, they really rock [03:17] Action: init[1] wishes slackware 13 release :) [03:17] there's a bug in libxcb in slackware 12.2. it freaks me out, i can't run xtrapout, it just fails. [03:17] can't even tell they're in your ears, and they have dual-driver speakers, so they just sound huge without blowing your ears out [03:17] slava_dp: are you still stuck withat trap thing ! [03:18] init[1], i loaded the xtrap extension, so it runs now, but it does not run because of the aforementioned bug. [03:18] slava_dp: did you rebuild X with xtrap suppor? [03:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:18] hm.. slava_dp quite unlucky [03:18] rk4n3: hmmm, that might be worth a shot [03:19] iGuacho (n=marco@72.8.67.132) left irc: [03:19] my ears haven't really been right since I had a nasty ear infection at like age 12 [03:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:19] Urchlay: ear pain's are horrible [03:19] Urchlay: ah, that's too bad [03:20] init[1], yah, pretty frustrating. i'm thinking of using an x event proxy. there are a couple of them. works like strace, but shows x server events exchange with the started application. [03:20] well I'm not deaf or anything :) [03:20] Urchlay: I know the in-ear thing seems a bit strange until you've really tried it out - but once you get into it, there's nothing comparable - you'd never go back to wedges again [03:21] slava_dp: that would be a good choice but strace would only show system calls right [03:21] used to use soft foam earplugs that you'd squeeze and shove in your ear, they'd expand to fit... those didn't bother me, but they'd come back out of my ear covered in scary-looking wax [03:21] init[1], i said it works *like* strace but shows event exchange. [03:22] Urchlay: haha - yeah, me too :) [03:22] ooh 1 [03:22] slava_dp: damn, that would be an amazingly useful thing to have, if it worked [03:23] Urchlay, it does work in other distros, they've patched the libxcb bug out back in 2008 [03:23] slava_dp: is it a low-impact patch? you could grab the source + slackbuild and roll your own libxcb? [03:24] Urchlay, technically i could, yeah. will look into that. [03:24] Wow, how nice, a force feedback headset. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826102041 [03:24] I'm sure that's good for the head/ears. [03:24] slava_dp, yeah...could i have a go at it as well? [03:25] The-Croupier, what do you need it for? [03:25] dchmelik (i=1000@dynamic-66-243-234-92.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [03:25] rk4n3: the worst thing about messing with the bridge/neck of this bass is getting the intonation right afterwards [03:25] slava_dp, learning :p [03:26] firebird619: mmmmm,now I know what I'm going to buy next week [03:26] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [03:26] reallove: haha [03:26] along with most of my tools, my nice digital chromatic tuner's in the storage shed, so I'm trying to set intonation by ear... [03:26] reallove: that price is just for today, keep that in mind. [03:27] oh. [03:27] reallove: newegg has daily shell shockers, that one is todays. [03:27] firebird619: when my brother plays CS [03:27] I give him force feedback when he gets shot [03:27] redtricycle: haha, nice. [03:27] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [03:28] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CDBE4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:29] hi firebird619 [03:30] I wonder, with that headset, if you can adjust the vibrations individually for each ear. :P [03:30] Hey tewmten [03:30] damn im tired today.. i dont wanna go to work [03:30] tewmten: call in sick? [03:31] yeah im thinking of it [03:31] but now im already awake hm [03:31] I grant you permission to call in sick. :D [03:32] hehe [03:32] can anyone recommend a good opensource music streaming app (for setting up a web server to stream music files to the browser) ? [03:33] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-201-109.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:35] participated in that undi run thing [03:35] some hot girls. [03:35] half the school was there. at least 5k kids [03:35] rk4n3: vlc can stream [03:35] maybe less than half [03:36] redtricycle: ah, thanks - I'll check it out [03:37] hey in firefox what is the keyboard short cut to select previous after a tab ? [03:38] i mean after a tabkey press,if i want to select previously selected one [03:38] it can come handy in ftp browsing [03:39] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [03:41] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [03:42] init[1] [03:42] wher'd everyone go [03:43] jeev: no idea but this silence is quite often [03:43] hehe [03:44] i went to the undi run at ucla [03:44] some hot girls with big tits [03:45] hm... well im not familar with ucla [03:45] hehe [03:45] just a college [03:45] University of California Los Angeles [03:45] ooh! [03:45] ... its a fairly famous school [03:46] rk4n3: i've never heard of it. [03:46] hmm well.. are you studying at ucla ? [03:46] stybla: lol me too [03:47] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:47] init[1]: it was supposed to be funny (/whois) :\ [03:47] stybla: you're familiar with Los Angeles ? [03:48] rk4n3: sure, hollywood is in LA, right? [03:48] stybla: you meant it * wasn't *:) [03:48] init[1]: i'm not even from the USA ;) [03:49] stybla: yep, it is [03:49] stybla: o_0 [03:49] :D [03:49] stybla: so, being familiar with LA, just imagine a big university in LA, and there you have UCLA :) [03:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] *sigh* why can't i enforce tls/ssl for smtp auth? :( [03:50] stybla: i think the server must support it [03:50] init[1]: rfc forbids such enforcement afaik [03:51] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.95.64) left irc: "leaving" [03:51] stybla: rules are meant to be violated :p [03:51] and sasl is just - pita. storing passwds in cleartext - no, thank you. [03:51] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:51] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: Client Quit [03:52] any tips for smtp auth, except sasl? :) [03:52] stybla: are you sure you're using the right port from server [03:53] init[1]: what do you mean? [03:54] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:54] like usually its 25 . but for gmail its 587 [03:55] ah, no. i just want secure smtp auth, that's all :) [03:56] stybla: thing is if you're sendind mail, after smtp auth should the server support it [03:57] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [03:58] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [04:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:01] does slackware come with smtp auth enabled in sendmail? [04:02] bryanlharris: it's compiled in, but not enabled in the default config [04:02] urchlay : you mean the sendmail.mc config right? [04:02] or is it m4 [04:03] whichever, yeah, the default one [04:03] Action: Urchlay hasn't had to admin a sendmail server in 4 or 5 years [04:04] Yeah it's all coming back: /usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf/*.mc, sendmail was always overwhelming to me [04:05] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:08] bryanlharris: /usr/share/sendmail/ have a sasl enabled sendmail.cf [04:08] I think they have a 12-step program for recovering sendmail admins... Sendmail Anonymous [04:09] bryanlharris: take a look at this .cf file i think is sendmail-sasl-tls our sendmail-tls-sasl. [04:10] now is time to sleep [04:11] Well, time to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Good Night [04:11] Nick change: yht -> yht|sibuk [04:12] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:12] there are the patches for libxcb to fix that ugly bug: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xcb/2008-March/003347.html [04:13] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:14] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b9e4a19ad67394d0) joined ##slackware. [04:16] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b9e4a19ad67394d0) left irc: Client Quit [04:17] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Action: init[1] ahaa .. finally xchat with spell checking :) [04:18] Thom1 (n=Thom1@75.118.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] any rumors about slackware 13! [04:18] hi [04:19] hi Thom1 [04:19] slava_dp: have you tried rebuilding libxcb with the patch? [04:19] do you know why 82.227.0.0/16 is blacklisted by the mail server of slackware.com ? [04:20] Urchlay, not yet. i'm on it. [04:20] init[1], what kind of rumours ;) [04:21] The-Croupier: i was generally asking to channel ! :) [04:21] init[1]: it does, but - you can't enforce using (only) tls/ssl resp. tls/ssl is optional. so it's possible to send cleartext passwords. [04:21] init[1], the kernel 2.6.30 just got released. if Pat decides to release slack13 soon i hope it will be 2.6.30-based, not 2.6.29. [04:22] slava_dp: not again , before it was kde , now the kernel :( [04:23] init[1]: errr nothing wrong with cleartext passwords, if they are sent over tls/ssl :) [04:23] init[1], why not? newer kernel = better kernel. [04:23] stybla: but i thought you had problem with smtp auth [04:24] slava_dp: yea its true , but delaying it is quite hard .. i will talk to Linus ;) [04:24] init[1], to get to the previous field with the Tab key you would use Shitt+Tab. [04:24] s/Shitt/Shift/ lol [04:24] init[1]: nope :) [04:24] slava_dp: yes i got it from #firefox as #slackware went idle [04:25] okay, just fyi :) [04:25] stybla: is the problem solved ? [04:25] slava_dp: thank you btw :) [04:25] atleast a response :)) [04:25] init[1]: no. the problem is implementing some security into smtp auth :P [04:26] stybla: but if the server supports it what is the problem then ? [04:26] i mean remote server [04:26] and to switch tabs you would use Ctrl+Tab or Ctrl+PgUp/PgDown. just fyi again, init[1] :) [04:26] slava_dp, if Pat want include ext4 by default, he has to user 2.6.30 :) [04:27] init[1]: it's mine server, not a remote. as i said, tls/ssl is optional, so client doesn't have to use it and he can send unsecure login info, if he wants to do so. [04:27] init[1]: i don't like that. [04:27] Thom1, i don't really look forward to using ext4. i'm into alternative filesystems. [04:28] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:28] does 2.6.30 solve that ext4 delayed transaction issue? [04:28] stybla: your problem is that , you want to disable tls/ssl [04:28] in you're sever [04:28] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] slava_dp, yes [04:29] Thom1, fine then :) might give it a try. or not. [04:29] lol that mean Ubuntu is fucked up .. [04:30] init[1], it always was ;) lol [04:31] The-Croupier: you know what jaunty didn't even detect my nvdia card .. well 8.10 did .. [04:32] init[1]: no, my problem is sending cleartext passwords over unsecure channels [04:32] init[1], ubuntu usually has a variety of drivers for lots of hardware... i have hardly heard of people saying it didnt recognise something...;) [04:32] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:33] stybla, is right though ;) there are more serious problems with it that the drivers [04:33] ;) [04:33] The-Croupier: huh? :) [04:33] drivers, you could build ;) [04:33] s/stybla/slava_db/ ? [04:33] The-Croupier: did was talking smthing else lolo [04:33] stybla, sorry tab completion [04:33] /did/ stybla [04:33] lol [04:34] tab completion pwn [04:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [04:38] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-e648d4febce520c4) joined ##slackware. [04:39] hi [04:40] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-115-89-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [04:40] nargon (i=mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [04:40] hi I just deleted my /var/log/httpd/access_log.1 which was very large.. [04:40] however when i use df i see the space is still consumed [04:40] hi [04:40] I believe the file may hve been open or something [04:41] the files are gone but space is still consumed [04:41] does anyone know how to deal with this ? [04:41] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:42] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:45] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Action: init[1] curses his ISP [04:45] jeev are you here? [04:47] im really intrigued to see, hows jeev gone reply "im not here" [04:48] The-Croupier: yea . but if he is here he wouldn't [04:48] :P [04:48] I guess he will say yes I'm here [04:48] hey bryanlharris ! [04:49] atleast a smiley from jeev [04:50] nargon, try sync [04:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:57] nargon: the normal way to deal with that is to stop & restart apache (to free up the used space). [04:57] nargon: unless you're actually to "undelete" the file? [04:57] s/to/wanting to/ [04:57] Hermann (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [05:01] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] Action: The-Croupier is soo bored and lmaoing with grading computer science final exmas [05:04] exmas/exams [05:04] Nick change: The-Croupier -> ionshark [05:07] Nick change: slava_dp -> MonsterOfRock [05:08] Nick change: MonsterOfRock -> slava_dp [05:08] lol [05:09] Action: Urchlay runs away from the monster [05:09] question 5 answer: i dont know mate, have a nice summer! ;) <-- this is the answer for question5 in computer science lol [05:09] ionshark: at least he's honest [05:09] Urchlay, yeah.. ofc ;) lol [05:10] last slide in power point: (i told them to have " any questions !!! " this guys answer: i need 75% on the exam ;) have a nice summer! [05:12] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [05:12] Nick change: ApOgEE- -> ApOgEE [05:12] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:12] oh man [05:13] I remember why I never wanted to play cover tunes [05:13] going over the bass solo intro for pink floyd's "pigs", my ears have turned to mush and I still haven't *quite* got it right [05:14] (it probably beats grading term papers, though) [05:14] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] Urchlay: you like songs from other language [05:14] *do you [05:14] sure [05:15] I mean I pay a lot more attention to music than words anyway [05:15] shall i give one to you , can you tell me which language it is ? [05:15] Urchlay, I'm listening "a saucerful of secrets" :) [05:15] eh, sure, but I probably can't actually translate it [05:15] *shall i give you one [05:15] Thom1: nice [05:16] Urchlay: here it is [05:17] Thom1: that's with Syd Barrett, right? [05:17] Urchlay, no [05:17] 05:16 init[1] GET: 160kB of 6MB (2%) - 6.63kB/s - ETA 00:16:23 - Track04.mp3 [05:17] that might take a while... [05:17] Urchlay: my upload speed i quite low [05:17] is OK, I'll be here a while [05:17] Urchlay, not the song, but the album contains 2 songs with barrett [05:17] Urchlay: connection is 10KB/s [05:18] today's my day to readjust sleeping schedule, meaning I've been up all night & am about to drink a pot of coffee & stay up all day too [05:18] init[1]: I can hear the beginning of the song anyway [05:19] I have *no idea* what langauge that is. Sounds Indian, but there are like 8 languages spoken in India and I don't know any of them :) [05:19] Urchlay, those patches do not apply cleanly to libxcb-1.1 unfortunately. so i'll be looking into alternative (event proxy) solutions, like xtruss or xtrace. [05:19] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:19] slava_dp: hm. Text munging is a bit of a specialty of mine, maybe I can make the patch work? [05:19] Action: ionshark listening to king nothing [05:20] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [05:20] Urchlay, there were rejects. maybe they used an svn version at the time of patch release or something. [05:21] link to patch? [05:21] should be these: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xcb/2008-March/003347.html [05:21] slava_dp: as you said before can you run Xserver on VM , and watch the traffic from you host [05:21] init[1], lol why would i do that? [05:22] slava_dp: you said,you wish to see the events right ? [05:22] ugh, xcb is part of the giant x11 slackbuild in 12.2... [05:23] Urchlay, use it as follows: x11.Slackbuild xcb libxcb [05:23] and it will only rebuild that [05:23] you can do a xforward from VM to host, [05:23] with the patches in ./patches/libxcb.patch [05:24] Urchlay, libxcb.patch contents: for patch in $CWD/patch/libxcb/*.patch; do cat $patch | patch -p1 --verbose || exit 1; done [05:24] yeah... hang on, setting up local build directory (I don't have 12.2 sources already) [05:24] anybody happen to know the LDAP equivalent command of doing something like ypcat passwd [05:27] slava_dp: crap. There's post-install/libxcb.post-install too [05:27] or even ypwhich or a basic way to query the user name list [05:29] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [05:30] slava_dp: ok, let me make sure it builds at all, before I start adding patches to it. I *think* I've got all the stuff in the right place [05:30] (I didn't download the entire x11/ dir from the ftp server, I'd still be waiting for that to finish) [05:33] Urchlay: track is complete ! [05:35] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [05:35] slava_dp: Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] ^C [05:36] some of this stuff is already in there... still messing with [05:36] huh? [05:36] some, nowhere near all. The message you linked had about 6 patches in it... [05:36] exactly 6 of them, yes. [05:37] i wonder if i can just build libxcb-1.2. it does not have that bug, but idk if it will work with xorg 1.4.2 [05:38] init[1]: OK, I don't know the language, but the style makes me think it's Japanese [05:38] Nick change: ArTourter -> AnTourter [05:38] Nick change: AnTourter -> ArTourter [05:40] Urchlay: lol ! [05:40] Urchlay: did you hear it completely [05:40] slava_dp: a thought: build libxcb-1.2, do "make install DESTDIR=/home/slava_dp/xcbstuff", then when you need to use it, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/slava_dp/xcbstuff/usr/lib in the environment [05:40] yeah [05:40] Urchlay: did you like it ? [05:41] the language sounds Indian, the music sounds Japanese to me [05:41] yeah [05:41] Urchlay: its an Indian language Hindi [05:41] er, what's this talking & whistling bit at the end? [05:41] Urchlay: that was an Add .. [05:41] OK, so my first guess ("Indian") was more or less right [05:41] nver mindthat [05:41] yes [05:41] you have great taste for music :) [05:42] word structure: We must satisfy the paragraph. ;)lol [05:42] well I'm a musician, I've got an open mind, can listen to almost anything and like something about it [05:43] (well, anything musical. Some of the really weird stuff they play at 4AM on the college radio station doesn't seem like music at all) [05:43] ionshark: do you have any other nick ? [05:43] Urchlay: which college ? [05:44] the radio station I'm talking about I think is run by Georgia Tech [05:44] Urchlay: have you tried Ardour [05:44] you should have i guess [05:45] if you're a Musician you should have [05:45] slava_dp: the last patch is trying to patch a nonexistent file. There's no OpenDis.c (or opendis.c, open_dis.c, anything like it) in the 1.1 source [05:45] init[1]: I messed with Ardour a little bit, set it up for a friend [05:45] Urchlay: http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/multimedia/ardour/2.8/src/slack-required [05:45] Urchlay: soo much denpend .. [05:46] really I've always kept the music part of my brain separate from the computer part [05:46] it would take whole day for me [05:46] Urchlay: lol .. your are quite funny while conveying matter's :) [05:47] sometimes... [05:47] where are you from? [05:47] (just curious) [05:47] well i will give that in pm [05:47] fair enough [05:49] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:51] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.50.56) joined ##slackware. [05:51] suid0 (n=suid0@201.81.166.54) joined ##slackware. [05:53] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-201-109.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:00] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.50.56) left irc: [06:04] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Some body break this silence ! [06:05] Urchlay, succeeded with installing new libxcb-1.2 and xcb-proto-1.4 (a requirement). now xtraceout complains that libxcb-xlib.so.0 is missing. damn. [06:06] s/xtraceout/xtrapout/ [06:06] slava_dp: not sure but "ldconfig" [06:06] ugh [06:06] does not help. it's been compiled against it. and i wonder how many more packages are. [06:07] slava_dp: bottomline :) sniff X traffic from VM [06:08] hrrr, tcpdump might be able to decode X11 protocol, if you use TCP [06:08] yes Urchlay [06:08] gonna reinstall the original packages in place then and go use xtruss. though it's inconvenient and supposedly unreliable but supposedly it does work :) [06:08] try 'DISPLAY=localhost:0 some_app' while running 'tcpdump -s0 -w xdump tcp and port 6000' [06:09] will try xtrap again when slack13 comes out with the new xorg. [06:09] slava_dp: if you have time can you please try the VM thing [06:09] then load up the file "xdump" in ethereal or re-run tcpdump with "-r xdump" and whatever options are needed to make it do a full protocol decode [06:10] init[1], a vm does not suit my purpose. [06:10] oh [06:10] did you understand what i meant [06:10] either way [06:11] what i need is a realtime protocol decode and parsing of mouse move and click events so that i know where the mouse is currently. [06:11] i mean from host [06:11] slava_dp: can't you use the actual xlib api [06:11] init[1], can bash work with xlib api? :-) bash is all i know currently. [06:12] slava_dp: no .., at least C [06:12] usually bash can't do the socket stuff etc [06:12] slava_dp: eh? what is your ultimate goal here? [06:12] that's why i need a third-party tool to show me the traffic. then i will parse it. [06:13] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-e648d4febce520c4) left irc: "Leaving" [06:13] slava_dp: can you tell me your requiremeant i will try to program it for you [06:14] slava_dp: if you're working in bash, you could install this: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/accessibility/xdotool/ [06:15] then run "xdotool getmouselocation" in your script, to get the current X/Y coordinates [06:15] eh, hm, it doesn't seem to offer a way to get the button state [06:15] sup [06:15] hi Zordrak [06:16] Urchlay: is there way to get a statically linked Ardour [06:16] init[1]: ugh, probably not easily [06:17] fed up of dependency [06:17] and there's probably not one you can just go and download, if that's what you mean (you'd have to build it yourself, which would be as much or more work as building it dynamically) [06:17] Urchlay, ok, look. i will have a wall-mountable touch screen panel (probably several) that will run full-time with some fullscreen content written in flash. the panels will be mounted into the wall and they have no power or reset keys on the outside. so the ultimate goal is to be able to reset the panel if the flash movie freezes (we all know adobe is not reliable). the idea is to touch the corners of the screen in a sequence and it will trigger a res [06:17] tart of X. [06:18] slava_dp: ahhh, so you really don't need buttons anyway [06:19] xdotool getmouselocation would serve, you'd run it every half-second or so, and tell your techs to press each corner for 1 second [06:20] and i want a program that can supply me with messages in realtime. what you suggest will put unnessessary load on the system. [06:21] probably less load than you think... but yes [06:21] that's why i wanted xtrapout, it prints messages as soon as they are sent. i. e. no user action, no messages are processed by the script. [06:21] it's a consqeuence of working in an ultra-high-level language like bash :) [06:22] i know bash is not perfect, but it's fun and it's easy. [06:22] true [06:22] hm, when someone touches the screen, does that just register as a mouse move, or does it also count as a click at the spot they touched it? [06:23] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:23] just a click, with the button number and coordinates. [06:23] all i need would be there. [06:24] and is the touch part of the touchscreen used for anything else? (rewind/pause the movie or whatever?) [06:24] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.103) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:24] http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/ch03s07.html <-- it would be ButtonPress/ButtonRelease. [06:24] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.192) joined ##slackware. [06:25] yes, there are some functions where you need to touch-drag-release. [06:26] but those are already handled by the video player or whatever, your script you're writing now doesn't need to bother with them? [06:26] it only needs the ButtonPress events with their coordinates, that's all. [06:27] yesss... but does it need *every* press/release event? or does it ignore the normal app stuff and only act on the presses in the corners? [06:27] trying to decide whether you can grab the pointer or not [06:28] i thought i will parse every press event and decide if it was in the corner and if it fits into the sequence. [06:29] grabbing the mouse would let a program get every press event... but it would keep other programs from seeing any mouse events [06:29] suid0 (n=suid0@201.81.166.54) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:29] Axius (n=samyw@92.84.25.218) joined ##slackware. [06:30] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-215-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:30] Axius (n=samyw@92.84.25.218) left irc: Client Quit [06:31] is there a window manager running? [06:31] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-138-147.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:31] there is. flash does not work without one. i installed matchbox-standalone, its 50K in size. [06:31] (and, the app you're running, is it fullscreen, or is there some "desktop" showing?) [06:32] fullscreen. no window borders, nothing. [06:32] ok, scratch that idea [06:32] (was thinking you could use a window manager that lets you run an arbitrary program when the mouse is clicked in the root window, but you don't have any visible root window...) [06:33] unless there's some way to, say, run flash almost fullscreen (leave a 4-pixel border on the left and right) [06:34] i'm not a window manager expert but i don't think so. [06:34] your user would never know or care about 4-pixel black bars, and it gives you a place to click that would go straight to the WM instead of the app [06:35] that's not really a window manager expert question, that's a flash player question (does it support arbiatrary geometries or not?) [06:36] is it the standard standalone flash player app, or running in a browser, or something else? [06:36] plain standalone flashplayer. [06:37] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-249.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:37] agh, I thought I had that installed, I just have the @##!$^ browser plugin [06:38] does anyone know if the xorg-server in -current is hal enabled? cant say from the build script. [06:38] but I bet it supports -geometry (standard X argument, also try -g and --geometry and maybe -G) [06:39] sahko: it is [06:39] damn [06:39] Just try renaming your xorg.conf and starting X [06:39] now i ll have to build another package [06:40] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [06:40] s/another/an additional , sincei dont use hal [06:40] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/session) joined ##slackware. [06:40] slava_dp: but the wm would have to pass the mouse event X/Y coordinates to your script, and none of them do that, that I know of.. [06:40] Action: High_Priest back [06:40] alienBOB, so the new xorg will require hal? [06:41] suid0 (n=suid0@201.81.166.54) joined ##slackware. [06:41] hello [06:41] i dont think it works without hal [06:42] sahko, too bad :( [06:43] the build script doesnt explicitly enable it though. so in a hal clean system it wont pick it up if you build it. [06:44] Urchlay, i will try it with an event proxy. probably a more elegant solution than playing with window geometry. that way i will be able to use any place on the screen for emergency clicking. [06:46] slava_dp: if it didn't have to be a bash script, I'd say hack up the event proxy to do what you need [06:47] or hack up a simple window manager to do it [06:47] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:47] is it possible to just delete the last rule out of an iptables chain, like say the very last rule in the INPUT chain? [06:47] yes [06:47] looks easy to delete the first one, just iptables -D INPUT 1 [06:48] but how about the last one? [06:48] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [06:48] the main problem with the event proxy is that is only able to monitor one app, while xtrapout monitors the whole X. but it suits my needs anyway, since i have only flash running. [06:48] hello all [06:48] same - just use the number for the last one [06:48] ha! [06:48] without counting (-: hehe [06:48] I was thinking -1 but the man page doesn't say [06:48] pipe -L into `wc -l` [06:48] don't think the -1 will work [06:49] oh that makes a bit of sense zordrak [06:49] yeah I didn't think -1 would work either [06:49] I believe there's an option to list just the input chain, which should also give you the rule number [06:50] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-249.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [06:50] ? [06:50] need to install a bitmapped font so that gnome-terminal can use it, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? [06:52] skapning (n=skapning@nc-76-6-230-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [06:54] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. 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[07:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:05] WOO [07:05] Action: Zordrak just got the PO signed by the FD for G DATA [07:07] why on earth has not slackware-current updated subversion to 1.6.x? 1.6.x is stable [07:07] josteint: 1.5 was quite late.. i would assume there is good reason for hesitency [07:08] i am using SmartSVN to update my repos, and it uses an internal svn 1.6. so if i use slackware's svn 1.5.5 (latest from slackware) update would fail, because it was last updated with a later version [07:08] then use the slackbuild to maxe your own package yor 1.6 [07:08] doesnt take long [07:09] maybe i can tell smartsvn to update to 1.5, instead of 1.6. what would be good enough for me [07:10] Zordrak: but if i make my own package, what will happen when the man himself updates slackware current's svn to 1.6 and i run slackpkg upgrade-all? [07:10] really, using a newer svn "corrupts" a repository so it won't work with the old one? [07:10] josteint: /etc/slackpkg/blacklist [07:10] josteint: just upgrade his package over yours or remove yours first [07:10] stick "svn" in there and you should be fine [07:10] Urchlay: what is does it so set the first line in .svn/entries to 10. 10 is svn 1.6, 9 is svn. 1.5.x [07:10] josteint: its no big problem [07:11] ins bugger all but a few binaries [07:11] if 10, then svn 1.5 will not update [07:11] josteint: that is really really obnoxious [07:11] Zordrak: i see your point. i will consider that. thanks aswell for the blacklist tip, Urchlay [07:11] cvs never had that problem when I used it a lot... if it had I probably would have dumped it [07:12] use git. linus torvalds can't be wrong :-) [07:12] dont you think it should be possible to set svn 1.5 in SmartSVN instead of its default 1.6? i could also downgrade smartsvn [07:13] since I have earthly idea what smartsvn is, I have no opinion on it :) [07:13] slava_dp: or mercurial? but sf.net uses svn, so i have to stick to that for now [07:13] er, *no* earthly idea [07:13] I has been awake a long times... [07:15] SmartSVN's diff is very nice. one of my favorite feature: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RApj5Tprn-k/SHVow5HLjHI/AAAAAAAAAF0/p24vxzJHHnM/s400/diff.PNG [07:15] though using vimdiff is quite simular [07:16] hey any xfce users ! [07:16] just wanted to know after cntrl+v (pasting) to a folder how do i bring the option [open terminal here] [07:16] i mean in xfce [07:16] only using keyboard [07:17] heh, i could downgrade to smartsvn 5 but... "Version 5.0.6 (compatible with SVN 1.5; serious bugs will be fixed)" [07:17] usually after pasting the newfile get highlighted [07:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) joined ##slackware. [07:17] which disables the open terminal [07:23] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [07:24] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:25] suid0 (n=suid0@201.81.166.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] is it safe to have X running when doing slackpkg upgrade-all if some X components are to be upgraded? [07:28] hmm, i would go into runlevel 3 [07:29] should have thought of that before. already started upgrading. will it manage to overwrite the files it needs to update? [07:30] generally, yes [07:31] your X session might get confused, but it should be OK after you kill & restart X [07:31] hmmm mail-files references a command that doesnt exist called "no" [07:31] now... if you're running KDE and upgrading KDE, all bets are off :) [07:31] ok. i am in runlevel 3, and X is started. i was going to restart X anyway, so hopefully this will work. [07:31] Zordrak: possibly does the same as "yes no" would do? (try it...) [07:32] doesnt seem appropriate [07:32] Urchlay: running fluxbox now. managed to upgrade kde last time i ran kde at the same time. but of course, X should be shut down when upgrading it [07:32] will do that next time [07:32] no -s "$string: $subject" $destin < $file [07:33] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:33] that sounds like it should be "mail" [07:33] indeed [07:33] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:33] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] wonder what's up with that... [07:34] part of sharutils [07:34] trying to investigate [07:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:35] this is 64 btw [07:35] same here [07:35] in 32 its /usr/bin/Mail .. [07:35] on my 12.2 box, it says "/usr/bin/Mail" instead [07:35] yep :) [07:36] will the new xorg use the right keyboard layout automatically? [07:36] alienBOB: you still about? [07:36] yht|sibuk (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:37] the ./configure in the slackbuild might need a --with-mail=/usr/bin/Mail or something [07:37] (though it ought to be smart enough to find at least /usr/bin/mail by itself) [07:37] kde still crashes at random on slackware-current. could it be because of the ati drivers...= [07:37] ? [07:37] good bet [07:38] Urchlay: indeed [07:38] josteint: yes, sometimes it crashed when i used the ati drivers [07:39] now i use the radeonhd driver and everything is fine [07:39] christian: very insteresting! are you running with the latest drivers? [07:39] christian: which drivers did crash? the ones on amd.ati.com? [07:39] not the latest, because they don't work with my radeon x1250 onboard [07:39] yes ati.amd.com [07:40] Urchlay: the slackbuilds are iduntical [07:40] i used the drivers from march [07:40] ekcept for ARCH= [07:40] thank you very much for that info. so how is the radeonhd compared to the official ati driver? [07:40] the radeonhd hasn't got a good 3d support [07:41] mebbe i should mail pat about it [07:41] you can tyr the normal radeon driver, it should work too [07:41] try [07:41] shoulda caught him when he was in here earlier :) [07:41] christian: have you tried kde and compiz with radeonhd? does it work? [07:41] def something that needs sorting before the DVDs go to print :) [07:41] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [07:41] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:41] josteint: the driver is not really fast enough [07:41] Zordrak: hilariously, just rebuilding from Pat's slackbuild fixes it [07:42] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-8-1.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] nfway [07:42] christian: is it included with slackware? guessing no [07:42] Action: Zordrak mails pat [07:42] radeon and radeonhd? [07:42] radeonhd [07:42] I'm gonna say sharutils got built before mailx or whatever it's called now, so its configure couldn't find mail, mail, Mail or anything [07:42] *nod* [07:42] radeonhd is included with slackware since 12.1 [07:43] definitely you should mail him [07:43] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Urchlay: how current is your currunt? [07:43] actually I haven't installed any of the new stuff since the kernel updated to 2.6.29.4 [07:44] so over a week old [07:44] sharutils isn't mentioned in the ChangeLog though [07:44] *nod* [07:44] christian: so still the official ati drivers are faster than radeon and radeonhd? [07:45] yes, much faster [07:45] Foke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] christian: how often did it crash? which wm did you use? did it completly hang the machine? [07:45] got all the new stuff, haven't wanted to deal with a new kernel though (if nothing else because I don't want to reboot) [07:45] josteint: kde 4.2.2 with kwin [07:46] crashed one or two times a week [07:46] christian: for me i just used kde normally, and it could crash every 1-5 hours... [07:46] christian: same here [07:46] christian: and then no response from the machine? [07:46] yes [07:47] ok. very good. this is probably it. at least it is good to know what might cause it. i will investigate it further and mail ati if i find anything suspicious on some log file [07:47] I've tried the official driver last week with kde 4.2.3, the crashes were back [07:48] not good. i am betting a lot of other people have this issue [07:48] so i think the amd drivers are the reason [07:48] ubuntu people might get a bad experience [07:48] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [07:48] they might not know what to do, though ubuntu probably warns for using the drivers [07:49] i use opensuse with the official driver and kde 4.2.3, everything works fine there [07:49] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-201-109.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:49] really!? [07:49] yes [07:49] no crashes [07:49] well, seems to be something different with slackware then.. did you use compiz? [07:50] sometimes i want to play games like torcs, the radeonhd is too slow, so i need a system with a working official driver [07:50] no, i don't use compiz [07:50] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Leaving" [07:50] only the effects provided by kwin [07:51] now slackware is my system for daily work and opensuse is my gaming machine [07:52] opensuse for gaming? seems an odd choice [07:52] i see. probably some feature enabled in slackware which causes problems with the official driver. this should def be fixed. gonna try looking into this when i get home. i will contact you here later if i find anything [07:52] maybe not, if the new opensuses are shooting for better redhat compatibility than the old suse had [07:53] in germany, the suse community is much bigger then the fedoa/redhat community [07:53] Urchlay: hey do you use xfce ? [07:53] nope [07:53] christian: ah, that makes sense [07:54] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [07:55] heh, I just did a torcs.SlackBuild for slackbuilds.org [07:55] can anyone at all drive the damn car without buying a steering wheel controller? [07:55] what the shit?! [07:56] i fixed mail-files and used it... the result was to mail "attachment.exe" [07:56] i can drive the cars in torcs with my normal keyboard [07:56] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [07:56] christian: I really can't... I crash a lot [07:57] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [07:57] I crashed a lot when i started to play torcs too [07:57] (but then my real cars, I crash those sometimes too...) [07:57] but after a time of a week it was better [07:57] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Connection timed out [07:57] &quit [07:57] oops [07:57] &quit [07:57] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) joined ##slackware. [07:57] i never crahed a real car [07:57] ah,,, stupid keyboard layout. sorry [07:57] crashed [07:57] josteint: i think you are trying /quit [07:58] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.137) joined ##slackware. [07:58] init[1]: no shit, sherlock [07:58] yeah, after updating with slackpkg it changed to EN layout. i use NO [07:58] gonna fix the xorg.conf and restart X. see ya [07:58] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: Client Quit [07:58] ionshark (n=the-crou@193.92.255.54) left irc: "Java user signed off" [08:00] Meh. Finally got around to installing slackware on my eee. [08:00] kama (n=kama@host165-14-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:00] kama (n=kama@host165-14-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Urchlay: you submitted torcs allready? [08:01] Zordrak: i think we need a bot that expands the meaning of urban terms :) [08:01] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=no shit sherlock [08:01] which means obviously [08:01] :) [08:02] uhh [08:02] Zordrak: i don't know which one did you intent :p [08:03] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [08:04] slackware-current messed up my X. where did xorgconfig go? keyboard layout is set to EN, even though xorg.conf is set to NO. norwegian o-slash does not appear correctly in the terminal (outside X) [08:05] lol. I love it when people blame -current [08:05] no doubt hey [08:05] did you even LOOK at what changed? the new X stuff is completely different [08:05] thrice`: -current set my PC on fire and then murdered my mouse. ;) [08:05] josteint: you have to set your console to LANG=NO and ensure utf-8 is enabled in kernel [08:05] Action: init[1] eagerly waiting for SW13 [08:05] josteint: i think the new xorg doesn't use the xorg.conf [08:06] all input stuff is handled by hal, so it should be commented out in xorg.conf [08:06] christian: which one does it use? [08:06] Nick change: NaCl -> NaCl_ [08:06] josteint: The new xorg uses autoconfiguration. [08:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] sajes: where do i set keyboard layout? [08:08] thrice`: i do slackpkg upgrade-all and get the list of packages to update. where is the changelog? [08:08] for console or for X? [08:08] alisonken1noc: X [08:09] hal handles all input items, using the evdev driver (not keyboard and mouse) [08:09] josteint: I believe xorg.conf is still read by the newer xorg, but you have to recreate it. When I installed the new x, it completely nuked my xorg.conf and used it's autoconf crap. :( [08:09] that's right - you're using -current [08:09] josteint: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [08:09] if you DON'T want hal to handle it, you need to add a line to xorg.conf [08:09] hey is libpulse-simple part of pulse ? its not available in slackbuilds [08:10] christian: i think it reads the xorg.conf, cause it uses the nvidia driver (got ati at home). but still no NO layout [08:11] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:11] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Greeings again ;) [08:13] The-Croupier: greetings ? [08:13] alisonken1noc: ok. so before i startx i do export LANG=NO, and ensure utf-8 is loaded? [08:13] josteint: utf8 has to be loaded in the kernel, then there's some other things. if you want LANG=NO on bootup and for all consoles, you would also add it to /etc/profile startup scripts [08:14] ok. gonna try that. restarting X. cheers [08:14] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [08:15] left before I could point him to some google notes about UNICODE [08:16] init[1]: maybe? [08:16] if you don't want hal to mess with xorg's stuff, you just need Option "AutoAddDevices" "false" [08:16] under ServerFlags or so [08:19] hi thrice` [08:19] hey [08:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:21] i have a glx missing, i dont remember do i have to configure it in xorg.conf, in kernel, or do i have to install something? [08:21] or all the above [08:21] glxinfo says so [08:22] The-Croupier, have you mesa installed? [08:22] slava_dp: :( [08:23] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [08:23] vesa everywhere apart from some part that i edited nvidia ;) [08:24] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [08:24] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [08:24] The-Croupier: what is your card ? [08:24] ooh ok [08:24] still no permanent solution for the no keyboard. only think that works is setxkbmap no, but if X restarts it is set back to en. LANG=nb_NO did not work, nor LANG=NO and nor LANG=nb_NO.ISO-8859-1 [08:24] sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:24] Did you not read anything else anyone said? [08:25] About xorg handing off the device input now?? [08:25] And reading the changelog.. [08:25] straterra: only saw the package names in the changelog. did not see the one handing off the device input. can you repeat that? [08:26] josteint: if you DON'T want hal to do it, you can add "Option "AutoAddDevices" "false" " to xorg.conf [08:26] hi straterra [08:26] im am a little confused too [08:26] Hi [08:26] thrice`: oh, ok. trying that. thanks [08:26] josteint: under Section ServerFlags [08:26] straterra: was that reading things for me? or someone else ? [08:26] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging is a good read [08:26] Hi was for you [08:27] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [08:27] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: Client Quit [08:27] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [08:27] works like a charm. thanks, thrice` :) [08:27] just joined .. didnt read the above :( [08:28] so, xorgconfig. which tool replaces that? [08:28] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:28] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:28] also, the closest i found with glx was http://www.slackwiki.org/ATI_Graphics [08:28] josteint: actually, you shouldn't even NEED a xorg.conf anymore, unless you are a bad linux user and use close-soruce crap [08:29] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA do these work for slackware laptop as well? [08:29] or use non-standard setups :) [08:29] thrice`: oh... ok. but what if i want to use vesa instead of nvidia? [08:29] Can i install Slackware from a USB and download packages i want from internet? [08:30] Cause my dvd/cd drive is damaged when it comes to burning. [08:30] Foke, yes [08:30] Ok [08:31] Where would i find the guide/tutorial/information i need to do that? Slackware.com? [08:31] Foke: yep [08:31] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/ [08:31] Foke, directory usb-and-pxe-installers on any slackware mirror [08:31] Foke: the topic of this channel might help as well [08:31] :) [08:32] Thanks [08:32] Foke, you probably are going to be using 2 guides , one for installing from usb and one for mirroring a mirror to update [08:32] thrice`: and what i if i want the dontzap feature? [08:33] by default, slackware should work with ctl+alt+backspace [08:33] from the above, and my needs, i think i'll be sticking with xorg.conf for now [08:33] and watch to see how things pan out [08:33] it's very nice to start without a xorg.conf, and just add stuff you need later on [08:33] tank-man, is it possible i fry/rape my brain trying that or is it not that hard to do? [08:34] well, I don't know your skillset so ... [08:34] glxinfo... GLX missing... seg fault... nice :P [08:34] Action: The-Croupier timem to check that nvidia settings :( [08:34] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [08:34] buy I would say easy [08:34] Ok [08:35] thrice`: Load "glx" is in Section Module in xorg.conf, but appearantly not loaded [08:36] tip of the day: never update to current in lunch at work :P [08:37] josteint: did you try just letting hal handle everything ? mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.hal_rulez and restart X ? [08:37] thrice`: i just inserted the autoadddevices to false [08:38] Foke: if you have the iso , after booting from usb , you can mount the iso and point installer to fetch packages from there [08:39] if you continue to use a xorg.conf, it will need to be updated for the 1.6.x xorg-server. [08:39] thrice`: ok. seems that i need to make a new xorg.conf. which tool for that? [08:39] X -configure will make one for you [08:40] need to shut down X... [08:40] but, if you don't want hal, you'll need the autoadddevices section again [08:40] ok. trying that. thanks. leaving to fix X [08:40] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [08:41] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:42] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.129) joined ##slackware. [08:43] y0 [08:43] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] o/ slackytude [08:43] y0 slava_dp [08:44] Is this the guide i wanna follow: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [08:45] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-138-147.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:46] or, just download that .img , use dd to write it to your usb-key (dd if=usb-blah.img of=/dev/YOURDEVICE), boot it, and select http/ftp installation [08:46] You just made my life alot easier :o [08:47] Now i need to figure out what i can use instead of dd on this stupid windows installation. [08:47] out of curiosity... [08:48] why was the usbboot.img made the way it was, boot image only but zero installable packages? [08:48] (other than reasons of size, that much makes sense) [08:49] beli (n=beli@pD951CB21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:50] mac_s (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:50] mac_s (n=mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Urchlay, if you want installable packages on the same media you can add them later, can't you? :) [08:52] not with that image, apparently: you write it to /dev/sdx, and it only has one partition [08:52] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [08:53] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [08:53] the directions IIRC actually tell you "you can't store anything else on your stick" [08:54] anTraxc (n=gts@189-041-15-097.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:54] ah, ok. space constraints are the only argument then. [08:54] shonudo (n=user@c-76-113-6-156.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [08:56] ah, there's a stub at the bottom of that wiki article that mentions putting packages on there, but it says "FIXME: this part needs to be written" [08:59] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [08:59] hrm, trying to think of a good command hack to list the top 10 biggest home directories.. [08:59] anyone know one off the top of their head? [08:59] du -msc /home | sort -n [08:59] ls -l -h | sort [08:59] (possibly one or more of the -m -s -c stuff is redundant) [09:00] -hs [09:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:00] -h is bad for sorting, 1GB would appear to be smaller than 2MB [09:01] bah.. when a really care about space i just -h | grep G :) [09:01] :) [09:01] ah, the -s and -c can do [09:01] can go [09:01] du -m /home | sort -n | head # shows the top 10 only [09:02] my bad. change the head to tail [09:02] Action: Urchlay is half asleep [09:02] Urchlay: go sleep [09:02] ain't gonna [09:02] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] here its 6:00pm [09:02] if I sleep now I'll wake up at 8PM [09:03] here it's 9AM [09:03] wow see the time diff [09:03] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [09:03] trouble is, I'm on a night shift schedule and have to be awake during the day for the next couple weeks [09:04] Is it okay to ask what block size could be in this DD for windows application. It DOES concern me installing slaskware. [09:04] lol, slackware* [09:04] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.142.137) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [09:05] thrice`: ok. i think everything is back to normal now. so xorgconfig is replaced by X --configure. i copied the file created to /etc/X11. inserted "no" as keyboard, and added the autoadddevice=false. also had to reinstall nvidia drivers to get glx loading. [09:05] you have no keyboard? [09:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] Urchlay: he had layout problem [09:05] ah [09:05] nvm my last reply,fixed [09:06] Foke: do you have the iso locally? [09:06] init[1]: That doesn't work it shows me the full size of the /home directory - not what I want. I am after the individual users home dir sizes.. [09:06] Urchlay: same for your one :( [09:06] dusty_: not the revised version [09:07] du -m /home/* then [09:07] du -m /tmp | sort -n | tail [09:08] granted, the last line will be the total size, so you get a list of the 9 biggest directories, not 10 biggest [09:08] josteint: cool :) [09:08] tail -n11 | head will cut out the last line :-) [09:08] du -m /tmp | sort -n | tail -11 | head # if you really want *only* the top 10 [09:08] awsome thank you [09:09] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [09:09] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:09] and you can change the "sort -n" to "sort -nr" to see the biggest one at the top of the list [09:09] (in which case all the head/tail junk needs adjusting) [09:10] dusty_: your homework is to learn why all this stuff works, so instead of needing to come in here and ask, you can just do it yourself [09:10] thanks [09:10] (and answer other peoples' questions...) [09:10] i was playing around with du but couldn't get what i wanted. [09:10] i try to give as much as i take :) [09:10] Actually, it wont write usbboot.img to my pendrive H [09:11] it wont do anything -_- [09:11] in windows? [09:11] thrice`: ok. so /etc/X11/xorg.conf is still read, but if it does not exist all is autodetected with the noew xorg? [09:11] yes [09:12] too bad. If it were Linux, you could find an IRC channel and ask for help with it :) [09:12] ...hmm? [09:13] i need /usr/include/gssapi.h which package includes that? not in slack, apparently. [09:13] heimdal iirc [09:13] josteint: exactly; and if you have that "AutoAddDevices" set to false, hal will not do anything [09:13] the only thing I know about writing images in windows like you're trying to do is rawrite.exe, but I have no idea if that works for anything but floppies [09:13] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [09:13] slava_dp: it's kerberos-related [09:14] hence heimdal [09:14] Zord, thanks. seems to be on sbo. [09:14] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Leaving" [09:14] Zordrak: ah, I didn't even see your answer [09:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.229) joined ##slackware. [09:15] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-59-101-142-38.mel.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:16] did redhat ever fix their annoying ftp client & server that always try to authenticate with kerberos and don't give you a regular login prompt until kerberos times out? [09:16] (this would be redhat 6 ot 7 era) [09:16] thrice`: why do i need to set that to false to get keyb no? [09:17] Urchlay: i think the only relevant answer is who cares [09:17] :) [09:17] well actually that's probably the answer to everything I ever say, no matter what I'm talking about [09:17] josteint: that's my point; if you want to try the hal-stuff, you can comment all input related items out in xorg.conf. hal will auto-detect your keyboard/mouse, and it will "just work" [09:17] if you DON'T want to use hal, and continue controlling it through xorg.conf, then that additional line is needed to tell xorg [09:18] yet I exist and keep spewing out useless crap... *shrug* [09:19] nvision (n=nvision@g230001004.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:20] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [09:20] nargon (i=mike@217.194.139.22) left ##slackware. [09:21] thrice`: ok i see. do you use hal? [09:22] nvision (n=nvision@g230001004.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [09:23] yep, it works really well, actually [09:23] Finally! [09:23] slaughters (i=79790ce6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c96b140ce501448a) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Time for me to install slackware -_- [09:23] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:23] Foke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [09:23] rain and thunder outside [09:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.151.153) joined ##slackware. [09:24] thrice`: what keyboard layout do you use? [09:24] slava_dp: fog and mist here [09:25] hitest, britain? :) [09:25] slava-dp: northern Canada. BC [09:25] slava_dp [09:26] close to Alaska USA [09:26] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [09:26] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Action: slava_dp knows where british columbia is located, tnx :) [09:26] yw:) [09:27] snL40 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [09:27] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [09:30] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:30] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Leaving" [09:30] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:30] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [09:30] thrice`: i still would like to use hal, but keep norwegian keyboard layout. i set Option "XkbLayout" "no" under InputDevices, still i need to disable hal. any idea? [09:31] seejay_ (n=seejay@202.69.200.5) joined ##slackware. [09:32] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [09:32] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:32] Nick change: seejay_ -> seejay [09:32] why is heimdal from sbo installed to --prefix=/usr/heimdal ? [09:33] a program i am trying to build looks for /usr/include/gssapi/gssapi.h and the real file is in /usr/heimdal/include/gssapi.h [09:33] why not change the prefix? probably explicit prefix path in its project files [09:34] josteint: sorry, I'm not exactly sure, as I use us. however, I think you will need to copy 11-xkeyboard.fdi from /lib to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-xkeyboard.fdi, and edit that for the different layout [09:34] if the slackbuild does it maybe it's on purpose and will trash my system if i change it to /usr. how do i know. [09:35] what if i symlink it? prolly not gonna work but i'll try [09:35] thrice`, you're right [09:35] thrice`: i guess the man himself also is on us keyboard layout. he will probably post an update to current quite soon. xorg 1.6 just very new in current [09:35] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:36] josteint: noo, us is the default; I'd try what I recommended, and restart hal [09:36] josteint: sinply add /usr/heimdal/include/ to your includes when configuring that program [09:36] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:36] thrice`: can i restart hal with one of the rc.d files, do I have to reboot? [09:37] nah, /etc/rc.d/hald restart (though I'd restart xorg too) [09:37] josteint, dont need to restart [09:37] err reboot [09:37] ok. gonna try that. thanks. restarting X now.. and hal [09:37] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [09:37] thrice`, you don't need to restart X [09:38] that's why xorg use hal now [09:38] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:38] i think you do for modifications to xorg.conf to take place? [09:38] Thom1: well, if he has it all through xorg.conf currently, he will :) [09:39] http://www.nasascience.nasa.gov/planetary-science <-- check the source of this website... is like the BEST THING EVER even i you dont know html you understand exactly what it means [09:39] ctrl+alt+backspace [09:39] thrice`, oh ok, i've not read that :) [09:39] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [09:40] thrice`: no luck there. just gonna keeo autoadddevices=false, as if it were good old xorg.conf for now. will fix it later [09:40] hi, my laptop takes 1.5 minut to bootup when it has internet cable connected. But without it takes 3 minutes. Because it hangs at Sendmail. In my hosts file i got the 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain [09:40] josteint, if you want, you can find some docs on archlinux.org [09:41] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Thom1: thanks. will look into that later [09:41] Kb1979 (n=kb@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [09:41] it is sendmail that is hanging [09:41] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: Client Quit [09:42] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) left irc: [09:42] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) joined ##slackware. [09:42] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:42] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.108.238) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.229) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [09:44] hello happy slackers [09:44] hell, o hell [09:45] ailton_ (n=kb@201.4.232.34) joined ##slackware. [09:45] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [09:45] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-160-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:47] slaughters (i=79790ce6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c96b140ce501448a) left ##slackware. [09:47] jamess__: do you need sendmail on your laptop? [09:48] ailton_ (n=kb@201.4.232.34) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [09:49] BP{k}: You running slackware64-current with the latest updates by chance? [09:50] Pumpkins1979 (n=kb@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Dominian: nope. sorry. :) [09:51] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@125.33.141.7) joined ##slackware. [09:51] animaDT (n=rbarton@rrcs-24-242-177-195.sw.biz.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:51] damn [09:52] need someone to test X -configure and make sure its not just me [09:52] why does slackware-current upgrade so many packages today ? [09:52] because -current is the development branch [09:52] that's where the latest and greatest/next Slackware release is being developed [09:52] ali0t4, I think slack-13.0 is coming sool [09:52] soon [09:53] Dominian, Thom1: thanks, my pleasure for 13.0 :) [09:53] Dominian: whats your problem with X -configure? maybe you dont have to use Slack64 to be able to help [09:53] Dominian: I'll see if I can poke my laptop in working along today, but be warned it fuggling slow. [09:53] (and it runs slack32) [09:55] speaking of I should really rewrite my rsync scripts. [09:56] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [09:56] sahko: Well, with the latest updates to Xorg.. [09:56] X -configure locks my machine [09:56] I mean completely locks it up [09:56] and it remapped my 6/7 mouse buttons to 8/9 which I thought was odd.. but easily fixed hehe [09:58] hmm. how do you use the server? using evdev with HAL? or with a xorg.conf and xf86-input-{mouse,keyboard} [09:59] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:00] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [10:00] if you mean to use HAL configuring X is pointless [10:00] the config file is totally ignored [10:02] I have no idea to tell you the truth sahko [10:02] I normally do everything in xorg.conf [10:03] I dunno enough about X + hal to even know where to begin :) [10:03] but that doesnt explain why X -configure would lock the system [10:03] sahko, now xorg.conf is used only for video card and screen [10:03] sahko: right [10:03] Foke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:03] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging [10:03] Thom1: Isn't that in like.. Xorg 7 though? [10:03] this is quite informative [10:03] sahko, keyboards, mouses, touchpads... is configure with hal [10:03] afaik, Slackware's Xorg isn't hotpluggable... yet [10:03] So, it gave me this when i tried to boot from USB-HDD0: No partition in table [10:03] Or something LIKE that [10:03] Dominian, it's only since xorg-server-1.6 (xorg-7.4) [10:04] right.. which.. isn' twhat is in Slackware. [10:04] So its a moot point [10:04] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Kb1979 (n=kb@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:06] i dont think theres an option. if the xorg-server is HAL enabled, like alienBOB confirmed earlier, it uses input hotplugging [10:07] only way to disable it is to add http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging#I_don.27t_want_this_crap.2C_how_do_I_turn_it_off.3F [10:07] that stuff [10:08] right [10:09] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:09] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:10] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [10:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:14] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:14] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [10:15] hahn (n=hahn@125.166.217.220) joined ##slackware. [10:15] Hermann (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] sahko: Well, I guess I can test that tonight [10:16] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] anTraxc (n=gts@189-041-15-097.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [10:17] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: "Leaving" [10:18] anTraxc (n=gts@189-041-15-097.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:20] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) joined ##slackware. [10:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:22] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Bradley (n=soul2sou@200227146024-dial-user-ECP.acessonet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Bradley (n=soul2sou@200227146024-dial-user-ECP.acessonet.com.br) left ##slackware. [10:23] Pumpkins1979 (n=kb@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] Could someone tell me what could be wrong when i try to boot the usb it says: No partition in table [10:24] <_juan> hi, i just installed slackware64, very good, very fast installation, everything works just fine BUT i am still running the huge kernel, i have tried to use the kernel from the slackdisk as described in slackbook.org but no luck, i get unable to mount vfs [10:24] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:25] Nick change: NaCl_ -> Invincible [10:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [10:25] <_juan> can i use the vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.4 that is in /boot? if so, why do i also get the same error [10:25] because you did not generate an initrd [10:25] look at README.initrd in /boot (the name can be confusing) [10:26] <_juan> that is true, i didn't generate an initrd [10:26] <[OpenSys]> Julian, or you may try to compile one by hand [10:28] Nick change: Invincible -> NaCl [10:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:29] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:29] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3331adb01f69a742) joined ##slackware. [10:32] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:32] So my problem is unknown or? [10:34] Foke: well, what did you do to create the usb stick ? [10:35] I used WinImage to write the .img file to the usbstick [10:35] it needed to resize the image tho then it wrote it [10:35] O.o no clue as what went on, then [10:37] Hmm,So what options is there for me to install slackware, i think i can burn a iso on a cd with the laptop i think [10:37] Foke, can you boot some livecd and use dd to do it? [10:37] WInImage sounds creepy [10:37] Hmm,i possibly have some OpenSUSE livecd yes [10:37] Nick change: hackedhead -> system [10:37] that will do [10:37] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInquisitr [10:37] Nick change: system -> hackedhead [10:37] Very well [10:38] boot it, do `fdisk -l`, note where your partitions are [10:38] then mount the one with the image and use dd to write the image to the usb drive. [10:40] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [10:42] Dominian: re "X -configure locks up": did you remove all packages that are listed as "removed" in the ChangeLog.txt? [10:43] ubuntu (n=ubuntu@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Nick change: ubuntu -> josteint [10:45] lol@ubuntu :-) [10:46] i linux and swap installed in sda1 and sda2. i need to install windows. 30GB is available after sda2. when i boot with the xp cd, the windows installer sees sda1 and sd2 and marks them as c: and d:. so the new sda3 is set to f:. my windows must be c:. how can i set or trick the windows installer to see sda3 as c:? i was thinking og hiding sda1 and sda2, but when i check Hide in gparted on sda1 and sda2 nothing happens... any idea? [10:47] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.136.144) joined ##slackware. [10:47] hi there [10:47] it is generally a good idea to install windows first. [10:47] i cant boot up my slack [10:47] mirash, why? [10:47] lol. what an awesome error message [10:47] i hav installed mandriva in another partition after slack [10:48] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:48] and it erased your bootloader. [10:48] grub over rided lilo [10:48] ya [10:48] go to mandriva's grub configurator and add slackware. [10:48] or remove mandriva ;) [10:48] if i install lilo again, i cant boot mandriva [10:48] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:48] mirash: not really a bad thing, no? >;-) [10:49] mirash, you have to configure either bootloader to be able to boot both. [10:49] BP{k} <- wise man, listen to his words :) [10:49] i hav added slack kernel path. but not workin [10:49] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:49] alienBOB: yeah.. that was the first thing I did [10:49] alienBOB: I didn't take time to really troubleshoot it last night [10:49] but how [10:49] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:50] mirash:boot with a slackware cd. then do mkdir /mnt/mydisk; chroot /dev/sda1 /mnt/mydisk ... and type lilo.... sda1 should be where mandriva is installed [10:50] eh, have to go. work day is over :-) [10:50] take care, slackers [10:50] bye, slava_dp :) [10:50] good job today! [10:50] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:51] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] High_Priest (n=Mean@nat/ibm/x-960e48ac72f30d13) left irc: "Leaving" [10:51] its not sda1 [10:51] sda2_ [10:51] ? [10:52] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:52] it might b jda1 [10:52] hda1 [10:52] sorry [10:52] josteint: do i hav to install lilo then? [10:52] ok, so boot up any linux cd. make a folder. chroot /dev/hda1 that_folder, and run lilo [10:53] ............ [10:53] actually whats happening when i do that? [10:53] mirash: no. what happens when you use chroot is that you will be mounted on the /dev/hda1 as if you were in slackware. so everything is there. simply run lilo [10:54] mkdir /mnt/temp; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp; chroot /mnt/temp; lilo; exit; reboot [10:54] yes, sorry. mount it first [10:54] indeed [10:55] and to boot mandriva? [10:56] mirash: edit lilo.conf before running lilo to add a relevant entry for mandriva [10:56] let me try [10:56] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.136.144) left irc: "Leaving" [10:57] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3331adb01f69a742) left ##slackware. [11:00] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:00] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:01] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: "leaving" [11:02] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) joined ##slackware. [11:02] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [11:05] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [11:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.175) joined ##slackware. [11:05] juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) left irc: Client Quit [11:06] hahn (n=hahn@125.166.217.220) left irc: [11:06] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) joined ##slackware. [11:06] off to work. later, Slackers:) [11:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] is it possible to hide a ext3 partition? [11:07] josteint: define hide [11:08] thumbs: windows installer cannot see it [11:08] josteint: what? [11:08] O_o [11:08] josteint: why? [11:09] skips sda1 and sda2 which are hidden, and the windows installer will set windows to c: instead of e: [11:09] josteint: you're in ##slackware [11:09] josteint: ask #windows how to assign a drive letter. [11:10] josteint: jog on [11:10] but gparted has an option for hiding a partition. why does it not work with ext3s? [11:10] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.71.58) joined ##slackware. [11:10] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Foke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [11:11] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Hello! [11:11] Action: Zordrak hides [11:13] ignored-girl (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Pumpkins1979 (n=kb@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [11:13] josteint: I am not sure windows will respect that visibility, to be honest. [11:14] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:14] thumbs: its irrelevant cos windows doesnt assign DLs to ext3 parts [11:15] i need irssi tagging [11:15] i wander if it can do that [11:15] ie tag a nickname with a colour so i never forget the nick belongs to a moron [11:15] Action: Zordrak gizoogles [11:16] Zordrak: nickcolor.pl or wu-nickcolor.pl [11:16] its called /ignore [11:17] sahko: ignore just makes for confusion cause one sided conversations make no sense.. i just want to remind myself not to take someone seriously [11:18] BP{k}: ty [11:19] ignored-girl (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:19] Zordrak: theres blah.pl that replaces ignored peoples words with blah's :P [11:19] heh [11:20] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@79.101.132.232) joined ##slackware. [11:20] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.71.58) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:21] sahko: nice [11:22] Foke (n=linux@90.227.137.254) joined ##slackware. [11:22] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [11:23] thumbs: blah blah blah blah blah [11:23] sahko: bastard [11:23] :P [11:23] hm [11:24] shoulda read the description more first... i dont wanna colour all ncks just tag a few [11:24] Action: Zordrak hits up the perl [11:26] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [11:26] wow new firefox, been a while [11:27] <_juan> maybe a silly question, but why is there no Desktop directory in kde4? [11:27] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] josteint (n=ubuntu@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [11:29] Zordrak: wu-nickcolor.pl does exactly that. it allows you to set a default colour and choose what nicks you want to have coloured. [11:30] orite sorry... not awake enough [11:30] ta [11:30] Zordrak: http://www.geekfarm.org/wu/muse/IrssI.html (wu-nickcolor is near the bottom) [11:30] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-160-143.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:31] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:31] already there :) [11:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) joined ##slackware. [11:33] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) left irc: "Leaving" [11:34] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-160-143.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:34] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:37] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:37] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:39] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [11:40] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] Meh. Getting wireless going is going to be more of a job than I thought. I have the iwl5000 firmware installed, wpa_supplicant configured, but rc.inet1 start_wlan0 just tells me to put my own settings in wlan0. :o. Time to unleash some killer google-fu. [11:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] Also, I configured rc.inet1.config too. Probably just missed a configuration file somewhere along the line. [11:43] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption is a good guide for rc.inet1.conf setup [11:43] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:43] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] thrice`: I read something from alienbob a while ago. I guess it can't hurt to re-read it if it's the same thing though. Thanks. [11:44] Ion (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Nick change: Ion -> FFoke [11:44] Hello [11:44] you can test by hand, though [11:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) left irc: "Leaving" [11:45] I did the dd on OpenSUSE but it still wont boot up [11:45] No bootable partition on table [11:45] eh? [11:45] whoops [11:45] do not use color 1 :) [11:45] does it at least get to syslinux ? [11:45] er, to the slackware "boot" screen ? [11:46] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Nope, i made it boot from USB-HDD0 and it shows me: No bootable partition in table [11:46] Zordrak: haha [11:46] but no boot screen [11:46] just after post it says No bootable partition in table [11:47] hmm /color preview does not sint the usual default grey :/ [11:47] s/sint/list/ [11:48] ahah.. perhaps not specirying a default [11:48] FFoke: some motherboards have problems; this script might help: [11:48] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/usbimg2disk.sh [11:48] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-165-97.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] vfw (n=vfw@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Wait what [11:50] will that thing write to my img to the usb pen? [11:50] - to [11:50] some motherboards have issues booting the slackware usbboot.img; that script helps force a vfat partition on there [11:50] Oh well then [11:50] well, that's the goal, right? How did you isntall the first usbboot.img ? [11:51] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: "restarting irssi" [11:51] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:51] I used winimage to do it, same error [11:51] then i used a livecd to use dd [11:51] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:51] same error [11:51] gonna try this one now [11:51] brb [11:51] FFoke (n=Boke@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: [11:52] thrice`: might i trouble you for a word? [11:53] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-225-130.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] thrice`: My x300 laptop would not boot it, so I set up PXE server. [11:53] Foke (n=linux@90.227.137.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:53] Dell x300 [11:53] yes, my thinkpad was a culrprit [11:54] Zordrak: sorry, I'm going to lunch :> [11:54] bugger [11:54] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:54] just one more? [11:54] my Dell X300 does not have the media package (so, no CDROM). But the PXE install worked fine. [11:54] oh ffs [11:55] why is vfw blue? [11:55] Because it' [11:55] it's raining really hard here in Azle Texas. [11:55] Zordrak: default colour? [11:56] didnt specify one hoping to get uncolored as default [11:56] BP{k}: can you say something without my name in it? [11:56] (In other words, I don't know) [11:56] sure, something like this? [11:56] bingo [11:56] so whats with the default being blue? [11:57] Zordrak: What client do you use? [11:57] vfw: im using wu-nickcolor.pl in irssi [11:57] o [11:58] Zordrak: edit your ~/.irssi/saved_colors and add "default:x" where x is your wanted colour? [11:58] BP{k}: yeah.. but the colour i want isnt in the list [11:58] i want normal uncoloured [11:58] the light gref [12:00] tooly (n=theo@e178149204.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Zordrak: hm try me without a highlight? [12:00] fnooch? [12:00] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] thrice`: After following that guide, it's still erroring out and telling me to "fill with your own settings". [12:01] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [12:01] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:01] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] witf? sajes isnt in the list and hes green [12:01] Zordrak: okay, it's not 1 for a colour :) [12:02] i gat that earlier [12:02] v confusing that one [12:02] Zordrak: 15 :) [12:02] was just gonna try that [12:03] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: "restarting irssi again" [12:03] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:03] I was gonna say "reload the script to reread the settings in your saved_colors file :P [12:03] not sure autoruns working.. but thats no biggie [12:04] owait it is now [12:04] should do .. works for me. [12:04] BP{k}: wanted to test autorun [12:04] afernoon, slackers [12:04] WOO!!! [12:04] BP{k}: green [12:04] grekkos: grey [12:04] what's green? [12:04] gray? [12:05] Zordrak: What? [12:05] Foke (n=linux@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Rather stupid question but, as i am new to linux, how do i start a shell script? lol [12:06] Foke: ?! [12:06] Foke: .... [12:06] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:07] lol, i am serious, i seriously dont know [12:07] Foke just made 1st place on the Red List [12:07] Zordrak: :D [12:07] will i get flamed now? [12:07] Hmm. I think I figured out why it's erroring out (mostly). protos are set wrong in wpa_supplicant.conf. :p [12:08] Foke: no, just whacked upside the hairdo :P [12:08] what? [12:08] ... [12:08] Foke: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html [12:09] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: "leaving" [12:09] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:09] Foke: feel free to say samething else [12:10] beli (n=beli@pD951CB21.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "doh" [12:10] Foke: Do you want to write one or run one? [12:11] chipster (n=chipster@66.191.139.146) left irc: "leaving" [12:12] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [12:13] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Meh. I can has wireless almost. I can manually call wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd, but rc.M and rc.inet1 start_wlan0 won't start it. Guess that means it's something bootscript related. :p [12:14] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:15] I read somewhere that rc.wireless.conf didn't have to be configured anymore. [12:15] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-115-89-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: Connection timed out [12:17] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:17] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-134-81-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Greetings everyone. :) [12:18] firebird619: howdy :) [12:18] firebird619: salutations. :p [12:18] Hey BP{k}, how's it going? [12:18] greetings sajes :) [12:18] Hi.. I'm totally new.. and I need help.. how do I install HALO? [12:18] firebird619: not bad :) how's things on your side of the pond? [12:18] Dominian: hahaha [12:18] heh [12:18] Action: Dominian just approved that quote [12:18] BP{k}: going great, thank you. :) [12:18] Dominian: bend over, use baconlube, called 0800-STRAT-ERRA :P [12:19] lol [12:19] Action: Zordrak adds Dominian to the green team [12:20] hmmm, what's the command to refresh the X font list? fc-cache? [12:20] Hmm. Anyone got any idea why rc.inet1 thinks wlan0 isn't configured? Does rc.wireless.conf still need to be configured? [12:20] Koper (n=koper@unaffiliated/koper) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Koper (n=koper@unaffiliated/koper) left ##slackware. [12:20] yeah, fc-cache [12:20] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 13 (Permission denied) [12:20] `marc_ (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:21] morning/afternoon [12:21] Nick change: `marc_ -> _marc` [12:21] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] morning nix_chix0r, how's it going? [12:21] tired [12:22] you [12:22] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:22] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [12:22] awake and doing great, thanks. :) [12:22] afternoon firebird619 [12:22] firebird619: aren't those mutually exclusive? [12:22] lol, probably. [12:23] one of those type before thinking situations. [12:23] Hey grekkos, how's it going? [12:23] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-1022.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:23] hello [12:24] hi [12:24] it's goign [12:24] goign* [12:24] ... [12:24] why x86_64 package is in 32-bit slackware? ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/l/pycairo-1.8.4-x86_64-2.txz [12:24] hmmmm [12:24] grekkos: lol. s/goign/going/ <---there, fixed. :P [12:25] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [12:25] i was ready to pipe it to ispell ;p [12:25] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: "leaving" [12:25] Action: Necos pokes firebird619 and nix_chix0r randomly [12:25] Action: firebird619 pokes Neco back. [12:25] err. Necos [12:25] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [12:25] grekkos: :D [12:25] =p [12:26] sup Necos [12:26] GArik: email volkerding@slackware.com [12:26] Dominian: not volkerdi? [12:26] nothin much... early morning GIMP work ftw [12:26] yeah volkerdi [12:26] sorry [12:26] Necos: you a gimp guru? :P [12:27] nope! [12:27] but i gotta make a background for a school event to put on the desktops [12:27] coo [12:27] and since i'm the only one free at the moment, i get stuck with making it lol [12:27] Ah, cool. I've been using inkscape quite abit lately. [12:27] s/abit/a bit/ [12:28] never played with inkscape... no time... isn't it supposed to be vec based? [12:28] yeah, it is. [12:29] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [12:29] It's on SBo if you ever do wanna check it out. [12:29] so it'd be something akin to Illustrator [12:29] maybe, I've never used Illustrator. ;) [12:30] illustrator is vec-based =p [12:30] :) [12:31] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [12:33] nheco (n=nheco@189.74.199.163) joined ##slackware. [12:34] tooly (n=theo@e178149204.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [12:34] hmmmm [12:35] firebird619: the gimp's sleepin' [12:35] >.> [12:35] :) [12:35] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.2.3) joined ##slackware. [12:35] Hey Urchlay, how's it going? [12:35] gettin kinda loopy [12:35] :O [12:35] readjusting to daytime schedule, the hard way [12:36] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:36] ah [12:36] heret|c (n=heretic@c-24-30-117-194.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:36] think I've learned more cover songs in the past 3 days than I have in the 3 years before that [12:36] so how much alcohol have you had so far Urchlay? [12:36] enough to make him loopy? :P [12:36] Necos: surprisingly, none (broke, and car's still in shop) [12:37] fail =p [12:37] your car's STILL in the shop? good grief. [12:37] there are a couple budweisers in the fridge, but I'm not that desperate [12:37] (they're not mine) [12:37] firebird619: that's the down-side of getting the guy to do it "on the side" [12:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] yeah, I guess. That's been how long now? at least a week right? [12:38] if I'd taken it to the actual shop where he works, it would have been done in a day, and cost 2 or 3 times as much [12:38] closer to 2 weeks [12:38] actually, 2 weeks as of today [12:38] wow [12:40] he better knock at least $100 off his original estimate [12:40] call it a late fee [12:40] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-215-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:41] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-215-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-160-143.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:42] Fidesratio sounds like the name of an opera, or a character from an ancient Greek tragedy [12:42] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-245-12.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] or maybe the guy who gives Socrates the cup... [12:42] "I drank *what?*" -- Socrates [12:42] so, i ran the shell script, but> This script require that the syslinux package is installed [12:43] Foke: so, eh, install syslinux? [12:43] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@125.33.141.7) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:43] it's in a/ [12:43] browser speed tests http://lifehacker.com/5286869/lifehacker-speed-tests-safari-4-chrome-2-and-more [12:44] 'least, it's in a/ in -current. Too lazy to check 12.2 [12:44] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: "Reconnecting..." [12:44] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [12:44] I am running a livecd of opensuse to attempt writing a usbboot.img to a usb stick. I got this shell script that would do it for me. tho i get this error [12:45] It's in a/ on 12.2 as well. [12:45] Foke: how did you isntall the FIRST usbboot.img ? [12:45] Hey thrice`, how are you? [12:45] I thought permits your laptop might not like it, but now I'm wondering if you did it wrong [12:45] hi firebird619 [12:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] this isnt a laptop, its a desktop one [12:46] well, same thing ;) how did you install usbboot.img to the usb key ? [12:47] also, i used winimage to put the usbboot.img to the usbkey, then i set bios to boot USB-HDD0 first. and it gave me a No bootable partition on table [12:47] is safari available for linux? [12:47] I don't think so, thank gosh. [12:47] Foke: try writing it from the Suse CD [12:47] Opera FTW!!!. :D [12:47] by using dd? [12:47] heh [12:48] dd if=/path/to/usbboot.img of=/dev/YOURDEVICE [12:48] unless you tried that [12:48] Foke: slackware packages are just tarballs, it's possible if you extract the syslinux-whatever.tgz and stick it in $PATH somewhere, it'll work [12:48] Foke: better yet, look for a suse package of syslinux [12:48] i have already tried that , it gave me same No bootable partition on table [12:48] ok [12:48] are you at a terminal ? [12:48] (ancient suse from 10 years ago had syslinux IIRC) [12:49] well, i can pull one up, thrice [12:49] mm, i'm not great at rpm crap. try |rpm -qa | grep syslinux [12:49] er, rpm -qa | grep syslinux [12:49] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-134-81-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:49] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [12:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] Foke: wait, using dd, what did you use for the /dev/YOURDEVICE ? [12:51] ./dev/sdb1 [12:52] without the . [12:52] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.253.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] do you have anything on there of "importance" ? [12:52] nope [12:52] use /dev/sdb instead [12:53] (the device, not the partition) [12:53] hmm ok [12:53] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: "init 0 -will be back" [12:53] MrGeneral (n=MrGenera@bl9-125-103.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:53] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:54] this is kinda fun... [12:55] okay done...now i try boot it up [12:55] ok :) [12:55] Foke (n=linux@90-227-137-254-no26.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] Hmm, I must of got a bad torrent of the slackware iso. It fails. :( [12:55] md5sum it [12:56] 1823f049cd0cf834e40831245fd44ef2 ? [12:56] dont know original md5 [12:58] plus, there are a few isos, so who knows what you downloaded ;) [12:58] Whoa, the md5 is WAY off. [12:58] going by the md5 file that comes with it. [12:59] I knew the above one didn't look right. [12:59] It is suppose to be: d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e [13:00] vfw (n=vfw@63.149.173.1) left irc: Connection timed out [13:01] looks like your missing a few numbers and letters... in the right order ;) [13:01] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:01] suid0 (n=suid0@c951a636.virtua.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:03] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:03] agentc0re: haha, indeed. Redownload time. :D [13:04] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:05] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.2.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:06] firebird619: i need to test something that's bugging out in safari on the mac safari [13:06] oops [13:06] oh [13:07] lol, nothing says I love you like a smashed car window: http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3516/dd22e15fb964645d6d5c50c.jpg [13:08] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] dusty_ (n=dusty@www.linuxgeek.org.uk) left irc: "leaving" [13:09] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [13:11] tooly (n=tooly@e178149204.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:14] nvision (n=nvision@g230001004.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:15] firebird619: hehe. and they say love hurts. ;-) [13:15] haha, yeah. :) [13:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Action: firebird619 pokes Camarade_Tux [13:16] How's it going Camarade_Tux? :D [13:16] hey firebird619 :) [13:16] going ok, and you ? [13:16] going great, thanks. :) [13:19] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Operation timed out [13:20] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:23] any one like john 5 [13:26] Foke (i=5ae389fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-79e2be8713c22f2f) joined ##slackware. [13:27] wb Foke [13:27] Hello again, it worked and now i need to get the url of the sources. [13:27] Foke: what? [13:27] y0 thumbs [13:27] err, wrong channel [13:27] firebird619: hola [13:28] Foke: you mean this: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/source/ [13:28] probably yeah [13:30] Foke (i=5ae389fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-79e2be8713c22f2f) left irc: Client Quit [13:30] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:31] this is a cool image. http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=synthman19872003&number=2167&thumbstart=1&gallery=CURRWEATHER [13:33] tzy (n=hiro@124.13.145.236) joined ##slackware. [13:34] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] thumbs: you surviving without your laptop? :P [13:36] no, he needed the packages [13:37] whoops [13:37] he'll be back. [13:38] tooly (n=tooly@e178149204.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [13:39] beej_ (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] anyone running slackware in virtualbox on a windows xp host? if so, does seamless mode work, and do transparent terminals work? [13:40] firebird619: badly [13:41] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:42] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.79.33) joined ##slackware. [13:43] woodoomagic (n=woodooma@79.101.132.232) left ##slackware. [13:47] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.216) joined ##slackware. [13:49] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:52] hey everyone [13:52] can anyone point me to docs regarding the new X? [13:52] I don't have deadkeys on X [13:52] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:54] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.cwru.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:55] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [13:58] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [13:59] nheco (n=nheco@189.74.199.163) left irc: "Saindo" [14:00] I figured out why I can't use the rc script to start wlan0. It's issueing the wrong command for wpa_supplicant. (wpa_supplicant -Bw as opposed to wpa_supplicant -bw). At least, that's the only difference between what I'm doing manually and what I told the script to do. [14:00] s/-bw/-dw/ [14:00] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.129) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] are you on 12.2, or -current ? [14:02] thrice`: 12.2. [14:03] ah; it changed with the wpa_supplicant in -current [14:03] does anyone use konqueror as a web browser? [14:03] Would it be a bad idea to install something from -current on a 12.2 install? [14:04] sajes: yes. -current is compiled against newer libraries than you have on your 12.2 [14:04] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.21.124) joined ##slackware. [14:04] ...although. tar and xz from -current64 worked fine on my slamd64 12.1 [14:05] (good thing too, that's how I got -current64 installed) [14:06] thrice`: So what do you suggest I do then? [14:06] sajes: the best advice for you is to grab the source and slackbuild script from -current, and build your own against 12.2's libs [14:06] sajes: oh, my question was just about the format; I use wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf on -current [14:06] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [14:06] sajes: you're not mixing packages from Slackware 12.2 and -current are you? [14:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:07] alienBOB: No. This is a fresh install even. Just got finished this morning. [14:07] firebird619, spagetti for lunch? [14:07] which won't work on 12.2, so I was just seeing which you were on; not suggesting you update :) [14:07] Because the rc scripts in Slackware 12.2 should just work unmodified [14:07] And the -current scripts have changed to work with the new wpa_supplicant parameters [14:07] nix_chix0r: Mmmm, that sounds good. :) [14:07] Action: firebird619 hasn't had lunch at all yet. [14:08] alienBOB: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start_wlan0 also tries to start eth0, that fails, then it tries to start wlan0. Which then tells me to configure it, even though I already did. [14:09] (eth0 fails because I don't have the ethernet cable plugged in right now. Trying to get the wireless script working.) [14:09] sajes: you need to take eth0 out of rc.inet1.conf (probably has a "yes" under dhcp) [14:12] thrice`: That still doesn't explain why it's still asking me to configure wlan0 though. [14:13] FFoke (i=5ae389fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50d8167fcd70b7db) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Hey again [14:13] i am trying to connect to the source and get PACKAGES.txt but it always fails [14:13] Does anyone print pdfs, if so which program do you use? I always have issues with it cutting the bottom part of the page off. I've also tried acroread but that gets half way through the second page and then quits. [14:13] sajes: that is because the parameter should be wlan0_start ... not start_wlan0 [14:13] wb FFoke :) [14:14] i have tried with the hostname and with a resolved ip but it cant connect [14:14] alienBOB: You're kidding? Google failed me? :( [14:14] sajes: if you would actually post your rc.inet1.conf then I could pass some better judgement [14:14] I'll go try that then. [14:14] FFoke (i=5ae389fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50d8167fcd70b7db) left irc: Client Quit [14:14] alienBOB: Alright. I'll pastebin it. [14:15] FFFoke (i=5ae389fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be10011623cf13e7) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Pumpkins1979 (n=kb@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: "Saindo" [14:15] firebird619: possibly whatever you're using to print, thinks you're using A4 paper, but you really have US letter? [14:16] Urchlay: I've thought that too, but it's unfortunately not the case. I've messed with many settings, margins, etc. and it still cuts the page off. [14:16] or the PDF itself is A4 (meaning it somehow has to get shrunk a bit to fit)? [14:16] The pdf size itself is US letter [14:16] fresh outta ideas then :( [14:16] honestly I haven't printed anything in a couple years, kinda rusty on the whole printing subject... [14:17] I usually end up having to start my windows box and print from there, but I'd like to get it fixed on linux so I don't have to do that. [14:17] is http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/slackware/source/ a valid source for 12.2? [14:18] FFFoke: grab a few packages + their signatures (the .asc files) and use gpg to verify [14:18] Meh, no wgetpaste in slackware's repository. I'll have to download that first. links isn't allowing pasting into the pastebin. :p [14:18] Urchlay: thanks for the suggestion you did have. I wish that would be the issue. Paper size conflict, A4 vs. Letter would make perfect sense, but it is seeing and printing it right for US Letter. [14:18] wgetpaste... sounds like something damn useful. /me goes to check [14:18] anyone using the latest X? [14:18] Action: firebird619 goes to check that out as well. [14:19] Urchlay, atm i am having difficulties installing slackware from http/ftp because i cant find a source that works, or my network card wont work... [14:19] when I start X, it ignores the XkbLayout I've defined. I use us_intl and uses us only [14:19] comp__ (n=comp_@89.137.6.138) joined ##slackware. [14:19] alienBOB: http://dpaste.com/54258/ [14:19] Urchlay: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/ [14:20] FFFoke: ftp.osuosl.org always works for me [14:20] let me try that then,thanks [14:21] FFFoke: you were given the wrong URL; hold on [14:21] sajes: when I look at that file of yours it is immediately clear [14:21] ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/ [14:21] oh ok [14:22] FFFoke: Yes, I gave you the wrong url before, I apologize. [14:22] There! packages.txt exists finallt [14:22] finally* [14:22] no problem,no harm done [14:22] That file is parsed from start to end. Any variable that gets a value, can be changed to another value later on in the file. That is what happens to you. The wlan0 settings in the beginning are wiped further down [14:23] alienBOB: Did you use the trailing /? It loads fine to me. [14:23] sajes: ^^^6^ [14:23] sajes: ??? [14:23] alienBOB: What? [14:23] sajes: I can see your pastebin entry just fine [14:24] I pointed out the error in the file. Do you not see? [14:24] alienBOB: Oh, okay. I thought you meant my file was empty. [14:24] alienBOB: Nope, I don't see it. [14:24] nvision (n=nvision@g230001004.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] Found it, nevermind. [14:25] Action: sajes should proofread his configuration files twice. [14:25] and then a third time for good measure. ;) [14:25] alienBOB: Thanks for the help. You were talking about the "wext" part, right? [14:26] and a fourth if you're reading it on a full moon in the middle of august [14:26] hahaha [14:26] ^_^ [14:27] Hmm, no. the wext part was correct I think. [14:28] Action: sajes thinks he should've used [0] instead of [1]. [14:28] nvision (n=nvision@g230001004.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Can I connect to a VPN on the same eth card as my normal connection at the same time? [14:28] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: "back in a minute. Testing rc script." [14:29] yeah.. [14:29] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [14:30] I know you can have a simultaneous VPN connection if you use a parallel port or something and have your normal internet connection on an eth interface, but can you do the normal connection and VPN with the same card? [14:30] Yes. [14:30] (unrelated) haha, I just wrote a code that I made completely broken on purpose and was told to check http://www.icanhasforce.com/2008/03/06/sense-this-picture-makes-none/ ;) [14:30] alienBOB: That was it. It connects fine now, except it's still complaining about not being configured. [14:30] straterra: Hmm. I know very little about it. Why can't you do it in Windows? [14:31] GArik (n=wesnoth@mpd-1022.tvcom.ru) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:31] (Because that's what makes me think that- if I use another Network Connection (the VPN), then my normal one dies and I can't use the browser, just the VPN connection's on) [14:31] gartt: you can.. [14:31] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-1022.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:31] It's called a routing table [14:31] sajes: you have to remove all the duplicate SOMEVARIABLE[1]=... entries. Only leave one of every element [14:32] straterra: Can you say anymore without getting too specific? [14:33] Yes. Learn how to use a routing table. [14:33] Roger [14:33] sajes: for instance, you have both USE_DHCP[1]="yes" and USE_DHCP[1]="" ... the second one overwrites the first one [14:34] alienBOB: I moved it to USE_DHCP[0] for wlan. Also commented out the entire eth0 configuration. [14:34] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) left irc: "retrying rc script. Again." [14:35] I still cant download :S [14:37] sajes (n=sajes@67.143.34.85) joined ##slackware. [14:38] wb sajes :) [14:39] firebird619: Thanks. I think I have the script working now. Don't feel like reconnecting again to find out though. ;) [14:39] :) [14:41] Gizzmo (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [14:41] sajes: Glad you got it, hopefully anyway, working. :) [14:41] firebird619: Me too. [14:42] alienBOB: Thanks for the help. [14:42] hm. What the heck is the normal output of "emerge --info" on a gentoo box? [14:42] How do i know if i am connected to internet? I suppose i am not connected to internet if nothing happens after i ping the ip of google.com? [14:42] Urchlay: gcc version, portage version and tons of environment variables. [14:43] yeah... found a sample. Looks like it shows more than just gcc (bash, java, autoconf, binutils, etc) [14:43] FFFoke: if you could download a PACKAGES.TXT from an internet mirror, then you have a working internet connection..... [14:44] sajes: just trying to think of the most useful thing to do on a Slack box for the -i option [14:44] well it cant find packages.txt even if i type the right one [14:44] Urchlay: -i option on what? [14:45] on wgetpaste [14:45] it adds "emerge --info" to your paste [14:45] FFFoke: o, and ermmm... when the installer talks about a SOURCE for the packages... then you do not want ./slackware-12.2/source but ./slackware-12.2/slackware because that first directory is the source of the sources, and the second is the source of the packages [14:45] (I mean, the output of it, of course) [14:45] well i type ftp://blablab.blah.edu [14:45] FFFoke: what have you actually done to configure your network in the Slackware installer? [14:46] then i type /source/source/slack etc [14:46] on the other window* [14:46] i have given it the ip to use, gateway, etc [14:46] Urchlay: I didn't even know wgetpaste had -i. ;) [14:47] well, I didn't know wgetpaste even existed... thanks for mentioning it, it'll get a lot of use from me [14:47] what's wgetpaste ? [14:48] Camarade_Tux: what it sounds like: a way to use pastebin sites from the command line [14:48] Camarade_Tux: it's a cli app to paste to pastebins. [14:48] previously I used "nopaste" for that, but it's not quite as featureful [14:48] shouldn't that be wputpaste then ? ;p [14:49] I know there's a vim plugin for that, I should set up one :) [14:49] Camarade_Tux: really? what's the vim plugin called? [14:49] (heh, probably pastebin.vim, right?) [14:50] Hmm, I'm trying to fix the -current vm I borked, I'm trying to remove packages that I know are there, yet it says those packages aren't there. :( [14:50] Urchlay, no idea :D [14:50] firebird619: you know they're there because...? [14:50] are they missing from /var/log/packages? [14:51] No, that's why I know they are there, I ls /var/log/packages and I see them. [14:51] heh, close, there's a paster.vim. :) [14:51] sidmario (n=xxx@201-43-56-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:51] hmm, and you get the same result as if you're tried to "removepkg something_nonexistent"? [14:51] yeah [14:52] firebird619: are you using slackpkg? [14:52] for the remove [14:52] removepkg [14:52] can you paste us an whole command? [14:52] weird. What if you give removepkg the full path? removepkg /var/adm/packages/whatever-1.0-i486-2 [14:52] an/a [14:53] antiwire: sure. sec. [14:54] dngr (n=dngr@119.237.139.220) left irc: Excess Flood [14:54] while we're waiting, some light entertainment: http://www.filecabi.net/video/maghide14a.html (NSFW unless you work in a strip club) [14:55] dngr (n=dngr@119.237.139.220) joined ##slackware. [14:55] LOL [14:55] Hmm, Would it be a difference if i use DHCP for my network? [14:56] Anyone playing css over wine? [14:56] FFFoke: I think everyone stopped talking to you because we don't know what the heck this means" then i type /source/source/slack etc" [14:56] seriously though, that's worth watching, and not just because it's got a naked girl in it [14:56] ok, for example. removepkg /mnt/vbox1/var/log/packages/arts-1.5.10-i486-opt1 [14:57] sorry, had to step afk for a bit. [14:57] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-145-210-35.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] Nvm that then, just go with that i typed the url of the site and then the path to the source. [14:57] arts? [14:58] that's not on my current install [14:58] I know, remember, I borked my install by not removing the stuff first. :( [14:58] antiwire: 32-bit -current has arts in extra/kde3-compat or somesuch [14:58] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.14.47) joined ##slackware. [14:58] 64 does not [14:58] I'm not using 64bit... [14:59] firebird619: if you use the graphical pkgtool does the same thing happen? [14:59] try using pkgtool to remove the removed packages [14:59] I just know it's messed up somehow. It won't boot except for a blank, black screen and square cursor. Could it just be X that's borked. [15:00] antiwire: It fives me a Package Removal Complete without asking what I want remove. [15:00] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.162.94) joined ##slackware. [15:01] well this certainly sounds like a corrupted /var/log/packages [15:01] dustybin (n=dustybin@174.142.38.197) joined ##slackware. [15:01] When it comes to the filesystem for / do you gusy prefer ext2 or 3? [15:01] does slackware make a good choice for a home server? [15:01] ext3 [15:01] ext3 [15:01] guys* [15:01] antiwire: any way to fix it? any ideas. [15:01] kay [15:01] FFFoke, never use ext2 if you're not on embedded [15:01] dustybin: I use it for my home fileserver [15:02] firebird619: Honestly, I don't know what to do. [15:02] ok, thanks. [15:02] FFFoke: ext3, or even reiserfs 3.6 (but a lot of people here will disagree about reiser) [15:02] a friend of mine has his eeepc use ext2, we'll be converting it to a saner fs on tomorrow [15:02] [15:02] firebird619: you could try to reinstall the whole package set i guess [15:02] dustybin: it's Slackware..it works fine for whatever you are capable of making it work for. [15:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] My home Slackware server does httpd, mysql, sshd, samba, and ntpd [15:03] antiwire: the only thing im scared of is the lack of package manager, how do you guys keep things in some kind of logical order? [15:03] what [15:03] there is a package manager. [15:03] ohh [15:04] it keeps everything in order... [15:04] even deps? [15:04] proof there is a package manager : firebird619 managed to b0rk it :) [15:04] Action: antiwire walks away [15:04] dustybin, no, no deps [15:04] deps are for girls -_- [15:04] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75E1F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Oh crap,now i got unsure about what a gateway is but it is the Standard-gateway this laptop uses right? [15:04] just stick to Debian if you want some attempt at dependency tracking [15:04] why does everyone bitch when they find out there's no dependency resolution in pkgtools? [15:04] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-38.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] do you guys use swarat? [15:05] no. [15:05] Camarade_Tux: hahaha [15:05] jeeze your systems must be in a state [15:05] dustybin: my system is extremely up to date [15:05] antiwire: and tidy? [15:05] dustybin: it's perfect. [15:05] ace [15:06] i been reading this [15:06] http://www.osnews.com/story/8761 [15:06] yeah that's nice [15:06] ... [15:06] dustybin: really. if you don't want to do with system administration then don't force yourself to. [15:06] use another distribution [15:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:07] nope i want to [15:07] this is education [15:07] Then why the wavering? [15:07] ok :D [15:07] im scared :P [15:08] Necos: because they don't really understand how that can work, and that it must be broken because of that lack of understanding. [15:08] dustybin: don't be scared. There's nothing to fear but fear itself. :P [15:08] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:08] my setup will look like this: [15:08] HOME SERVER - 1 - DEBIAN HOME SERVER - 2 - REDHAT [15:08] VPS - FREEBSD LAPTOP - OSX DESKTOP - SLACKWARE [15:09] whatever man it doesn't matter [15:09] firebird619, and the user, you forgot to be scared of the user, you know, the one who is currently sitting between your keyboard and your chair :D [15:09] Is it possible slackware uses the wrong network card to connect to internet? Or that i should connect the network cable to another card? If slackware is using that? [15:09] showing us that does nothing for you. [15:09] (tell me when you get your system back in a healthy state ;p ) [15:09] tzy (n=hiro@124.13.145.236) left ##slackware. [15:10] Camarade_Tux: oh yeah, I scare myself all the time. :P [15:10] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] People come in here all the time 'omg is Slackware right for me?' we don't know. why don't you install it and try it for yourself so you can decide to quit sooner than later? [15:11] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) joined ##slackware. [15:11] dchmelik (i=1000@dynamic-66-243-234-92.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] <_juan> hi, is there any way to add kcontrol to current 64 bit? [15:13] kristoffer (n=kristoff@94.191.162.169.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [15:13] FFFoke: only you know. [15:14] antiwire: it'a a trap. If u let people try slackware out they will be slack-addicts. [15:14] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.79.33) left irc: "Leaving" [15:14] antiwire: I'd even say "if you're the type person whose first impulse is to ask, instead of trying it, then it's probably not right for you" [15:14] Well i tried and same result, what is the help command for network? "network help" wont work nor "help network" [15:16] There is no help FFFoke [15:16] _juan: no. There is systemsettings now [15:16] Nick change: crn_ -> crn [15:16] ...I dont see how i will configure my network right. Other than slackware.org, the lovely place of information [15:16] ? [15:17] .com** [15:17] FFFoke: you _did_ run the network script and probed for a card? [15:17] it agitates me to ne ond to click on a video and it requires some "specific" os dependent media player [15:17] FFFoke: http://slackbook.org/ is the place [15:17] "to no end" [15:17] dtanner: on Slackware? [15:18] the site itself alienBOB , has a video that requires "MMS" microsoft media server [15:18] Yes i probed and it found a card [15:19] just pisses me off thats all [15:19] dtanner: is it a mms://blahblah link? Try running mplayer with the link for an argument... [15:19] i will give it a try [15:19] Nick change: crn -> crn_ [15:19] (not as seamless as clicky-watchy browser videos, even if it works) [15:20] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [15:20] FFFoke: do you have two network cards then? If so, is the probed module actually the right one for the card that has a cable attached? [15:20] dtanner: what URL for the site? [15:21] \q [15:21] bijit_ (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: "leaving" [15:21] it is working with mplayer [15:21] thanks [15:21] My motherboard has 2builtin and i have a external one [15:21] atm the cable is plugged in the motherboard built in [15:21] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [15:21] the network script showed you what module it probed [15:21] dtanner: there may or may not be a way to make firefox open mms:// links with mplayer when you click 'em. I never tried... [15:22] If you open another console with Alt-F2 and type "lspci -v" you should be able to find out if you have the correct interface [15:22] realplayer rtsp:// links also should work in mplayer (might have to install win32 codecs) [15:22] so that 3c59x means it is using the external 3Com card? [15:22] You tell me [15:23] what are the internal card's specss? [15:23] Realtek? Broadcom? [15:23] realtek i believe [15:23] _juan (i=500@200.84.101.113) left irc: "Leaving" [15:23] If so (i.e. not 3com) then yes, the wrong driver is loaded [15:24] well,i could plug the cable in the external one? which is the 3com [15:24] Instead of letting 'network' probe the card, you can type "P drivername" and lookup the drivername using "lspci -v" as a guide [15:24] Yes you could also just plug the cable into that card [15:24] Do you run DHCP on your LAN? Like, on a DSL router? [15:25] yes [15:26] Then you can just answer YES if setup asks later on if you want to configure the card for DHCP (if DHCP is present the installer will find out about that and offer that option) [15:27] I never got that option, also, i am installing using a USB stick. [15:28] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] Yoou never saw that option because you did not have a working network connection [15:28] he's still setting up the network for an ftp installation [15:28] I see.. [15:29] unless you already installed successfully ? [15:29] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Nope [15:30] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.90.204) joined ##slackware. [15:30] ok, well, run ifconfig -a and see which itnerfaces are available to you [15:30] or, if none, modprobe the proper module to make the interface you want to use show up [15:31] thrice`: he just plugged his cable into a NIC that Slackware did not use for the install... so there was never a working network [15:31] alienBOB: no, he hasn't even installed yet [15:31] lol [15:31] It was plugged in there by default, i didnt know slackware would pick the external [15:32] At least he is persistent and has not given up. At the end of the ride FFFoke will have learnt a _lot_ [15:32] Last time i tried installing a linux distro, the people in the channel got pissed on me. [15:32] So prepare. [15:32] ^^^ agree [15:32] lol [15:32] well, we want to convert you, so it's in our best interest to make sure you get it installled ^_~ [15:32] Hmm, with this borked -current vm I'm having, I'm rereading the message it gives. No such package: /var/log/packages/package_name_here. Shouldn't, in this case, that read /mnt/vbox1/var/log/packages/package_name_here? [15:33] FFFoke: with Slackware 13.0 this problem will be gone, the installer will configure all NICs automatically and will find the one that has DHCP server at the other end of the cable [15:33] Nick change: fau__ -> fAu [15:33] Good, Haha [15:34] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:34] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-83-236.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] freebse (n=freebse@78.52.188.189) joined ##slackware. [15:35] peacenik (n=cypherpu@142-217-80-36.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] hoho (n=hooh@190.80.193.21) joined ##slackware. [15:35] So,i have plugged the cable in the external card now. I use "network" and it loads the 3c56x wh [15:36] which should be okay with the 3c905c-TX [15:36] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-150.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] firebird619: if it's in the vm why is it using a switched root? [15:36] shouldn't the vm be the / itself? [15:37] kozandr (n=kozandr@92.243.174.247) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Also, you could just boot the vm system into single user mode to avoid the X problem [15:37] firebird619: if you're loop-mounting the vbox disk image or such, "removepkg -root /mnt/vbox1 package_name" ought to do it [15:37] or even try rl3 for that matter [15:38] antiwire: Well, what I'm doing (maybe this is where I went wrong), I have this vm that doesn't work. I told the vm to start to the slackware dvd, then I mounted the vm's partitions an tried removing. I'm probably going about it all wrong. [15:38] except removepkg doesn't actually support -root. Set "ROOT=/mnt/vbox1" in the environment instead... [15:38] s/an/and/ [15:38] peacenik (n=cypherpu@142-217-80-36.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:39] firebird619: lol backing up /etc and /home and doing a reinstall is starting to sound like a more viable option at this point. [15:39] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@130.136.4.142) joined ##slackware. [15:39] firebird619: "export ROOT=/mnt/vbox1" once, and removepkg to your heart's content [15:39] antiwire: would I boot to single or rl3 from lilo (by pressing tab) that's all I see anyway. [15:39] firebird619: yes [15:39] antiwire: hahaha, I was thinking the same thing. [15:39] lilo: Linux 3 [15:39] for rl3 [15:40] thank gosh this is just the vm, I planned on upgrading my hdd install to current again as well. :P [15:40] I learned what I did wrong though. [15:40] my personal favorite is "Linux init=/bin/sh" but I'm not quite right in the head [15:41] Nick change: Urchlay -> gosh [15:41] you're welcome [15:41] Nick change: gosh -> Urchlay [15:41] hahaha [15:42] seriously, ROOT= is your friend [15:42] Woot, thanks Urchlay, that's working. [15:42] Thank you as well antiwire [15:43] firebird619, could you remind me what you did wrong ? I wouldn't like to do that on tomorrow ;) [15:43] I always like to try and fix if I can as opposed to reinstalling. [15:43] yeah same here [15:43] firebird619: the wrong part was the not removing of the removed packages and installing all the new ones, right? [15:43] Camarade_Tux: I just ran slackpkg to update my current install instead of removing the stuff that was removed, etc first. [15:43] I did "modprobe 3c59x", Is there anything else or? [15:43] antiwire: yes [15:43] and also not installing the added [15:44] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [15:44] I don't know why it slipped my mind to do that first. I just wasn't thinking. [15:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] I don't know slackpkg very well, isn't there an option to remove old packages ? [15:44] s/option/command/ [15:44] Camarade_Tux: yes [15:44] removepkg, yeah. [15:44] clean-system [15:44] the select the ones to remove [15:44] oh yeah, clean-system as well. [15:45] I tried just now typing slackpkg and it says not found. [15:46] Haha,it finds a card using the 3c501 protocol now, i did P 3c501 3c503 ....and some others. [15:46] firebird619: the install DVD environment doesn't (AFAIK) have slackpkg [15:46] I'll probably get all this stuff removed and fixed and still be up a creek without a paddle. :P [15:46] Urchlay: Ah, ok. thanks. [15:47] once you get things mostly sane, you can "chroot /mnt/vbox1 ; mount /proc ; /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 start" and slackpkg ought to work [15:47] (eh, or you could just boot into the vm without the DVD image) [15:47] Just think if this would have been an ubuntu install, the definite fix would have been reinstall. :P [15:48] well, not exactly. You probably could fix a broken ubuntu install in a similar way [15:48] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@130.136.4.142) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] the difference is, ubuntu's not worth fixing :) [15:48] hahaha, very true. [15:48] Here, this is better fix, remove Ubuntu and install slackware. [15:48] apt-get install slackware [15:49] haha, yeah. [15:49] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:49] (I really wish we could subvert the repositories so "apt-get install slackware" actually worked [15:49] that would be awesome. [15:49] then go to Ubuntu and tell people to run sudo apt-get install slackware. :D [15:50] Okay, Now that i find out this can probe every 3cXXX module... or atleast more than one. What should i do? :/ [15:50] that'd leave alot of ubuntards in #ubuntu all upset. :P [15:50] Some would be, AHHH, What the heck is lilo, get me outta here. :) [15:51] Hmm,what is the people here called then? [15:51] Slackworkers? [15:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Ah [15:51] Slackers ofc :p [15:51] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.21.124) left irc: "Leaving." [15:51] oh, we don't need much to make ubuntu a nice system : 1- remove apt, 2- change the init scripts, 3- change the settings, 4- remove gnome, 5- remove mono, 6- unpatch softwares and kernels :P [15:51] slackers [15:51] Camarade_Tux: Eh, I'd rather just install true, pure Slackware. [15:52] FFFoke: could be Slackwarians I guess. :P but usually we go by slackers. :D [15:52] Lol :p [15:52] firebird619: we could at least sneak in a package called "Ubuntu Remote Desktop" or maybe "Ubuntu Runtime Daemon" [15:52] sudo apt-get install ubunturd [15:52] But i am unsure if i will succeed this, if i become a Slackfailer instead [15:53] haha, yeah. With there over 20,000+ packages, they would even notice anything had changed. [15:53] FFFoke: it's like playing chess. The way you get good at it is to get your ass kicked a few times. [15:53] s/there/their/ [15:53] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.149) joined ##slackware. [15:53] slackophile (i.e. audiophile) :P [15:53] FFFoke: or learning your way around a new city by driving around and getting lost a lot [15:53] Well, i am in need of someone pro to tip me on what to do when it can probe alot of modules on one card. [15:54] has anyone else noticed that amarok in -current stops playing songs after almost every song and wont play some songs [15:54] FFFoke: eh? in the installer, or on an installed system? [15:55] keoni: no [15:55] I was playing songs even over sshfs last night and it worked fine [15:55] I am atm installing using a pendrive, by the http/ftp way. [15:55] And my network connection wont work [15:56] FFFoke: you rebooted, ran network? With the cable plugged into the 3com card? [15:56] humm i play mine over nfs [15:56] Eurhm, Sorry, [15:56] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] keoni: check /var/log/messages for nsf-related stuff. Sometimes nfs craps out for no discernible reason... [15:57] er, nfs-related. You know what I mean... [15:57] sweet ill check it out [15:57] thanks [15:58] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Yes! It gives me the option to use DHCP, something i thought complicated was rather easy. Lol [16:00] Reboot was the solution FFFoke? [16:00] Yes :) [16:00] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] alienBOB: dumb pkgtools question: is "removepkg -copy pkgname" known to be broken in -current? (or am I just reading the man page wrong?) [16:01] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] man page seems to say it will (a) not remove the package, and (b) will create a copy of it under /var/log/setup/tmp/preserved_packages [16:02] but it doesn't seem to do (b) [16:02] nothing related in /var/log/messages [16:03] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.149) left irc: "Leaving." [16:03] keoni: perhaps look in "dmesg" output. Was just a wild guess anyway... [16:03] ah, no worries [16:04] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@81.18.126.40) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.90.204) left irc: "Leaving" [16:05] alienBOB: false alarm, forget I said anything [16:05] Urchlay: never tried -copy so no idea if that is broken. If you say so, it warrants a test [16:05] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.198.224) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Ah....ok [16:05] typed the removepkg command in a teminal ssh'ed to another box, looked for the package locally... duhhhh [16:05] alienBlurb, hey where's your "unofficial" repository? [16:06] Action: BP{k} hands TwinReverb google. [16:06] alienBlurb will not answer you TwinReverb [16:06] it knows everything! [16:06] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [16:06] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.132) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Me neither... if you fail to find it. [16:06] s/google/skynet/ [16:07] alienBOB, ah tab completion fail [16:07] He is me [16:07] So it did not matter [16:07] Urchlay: skynet is old! [16:07] BP{k}, i found his official stuff, just didn't find his unofficial stuff like lame and libdvdcss [16:07] he is me and we is he and we are all togeeether... [16:07] The thing when you are going to select what partition that are to be visible, whats with these names: /fat-c /fat-d [16:08] (ugh, too much beatles) [16:08] I have a FAT32 partition that i wanna make visible [16:08] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:08] FFFoke: they're just suggestions. /fat-c would be the partition that appears as C: in windows, but you're free to name it something else like /windows_c or /home/windows or whatever [16:09] Ok [16:09] you might even be able to call it /C: (not sure if the : character is allowed in the installer) [16:09] TwinReverb: according to alienBOBs page: "all his slackbuilds re unoffical" :P [16:09] ok, his "pirate" builds then [16:09] ah found it [16:09] Action: Urchlay admires alienBOB's eyepatch and wooden leg [16:10] wait, there is a slackbuild that can build a pirate ship AND the pirates in it ? [16:10] just try not to end up with a hook for a hand, you spend a fortune in replacement keyboards [16:10] Action: Camarade_Tux starts googling [16:11] gah, /me is going to lose his left eye pretty soon [16:11] Action: BP{k} already has done that :P [16:12] lost your eye ? [16:12] nah, just got it screwed up due to an eye op to the point of it being pretty much completly dormant. [16:12] number_three (n=chatzill@76.252.54.213) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Action: firebird619 pokes Camarade_Tux in the left eye. :P [16:13] haha funny, restarted amarok and problem went away [16:13] When 12.3 or 13.0 is planned? [16:13] Necrosporus: when it's ready. [16:13] When it's ready. [16:13] firebird619, thanks, problem solved ! \o/ [16:13] Camarade_Tux: haha, yw. :P [16:13] Whate... newbie Use verbose prompting (The X series takes one year) [16:13] :S? [16:13] BP{k}, =/ [16:13] OK, how it close to be ready? [16:13] that close [16:13] Necrosporus: http://slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#5 [16:14] Action: Camarade_Tux is astonished at the versions of sofwares in the gnome and gtk world [16:14] nah, seriously, they even beet lilo and emacs ! [16:15] I know, but there are possibility to extrapolation [16:15] Necrosporus: "a saturday" [16:15] Camarade_Tux: it's kinda weird to explain, basically my left eye doesn't pass infromation to my brain while my right eye is active, it works when my right eye is closed but it tires me quickly, and it has the tendency to refocus and slip out of focus often. [16:15] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@81.18.126.40) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:15] the sad thing was that the eye operation was intended to fix my right (then dormant eye) [16:16] hmm, sounds pretty bad BP{k} [16:18] Camarade_Tux: I have been living this for the last 28 years prety much. One get used to it. There are some drawbacks (limited depth perception for one) [16:19] BP{k}, when did you get that operation ? [16:19] FFFoke: your first slackware install, you should do a full install of all package sets (except maybe e/ if you really don't know/care how to use emacs) [16:19] When I was 7/8 years old. [16:19] err, and kdei/ [16:19] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] kdei is by default de-selected anyway. [16:20] ah, right [16:20] number_three (n=chatzill@76.252.54.213) left ##slackware. [16:20] well i clicked the ones i thought were necessary [16:20] but i am doing full anyway [16:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [16:21] I keep installing emacs because I keep thinking "one day I'm going to learn lisp"... been saying that since slackware 3.2 or so [16:21] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Lol [16:21] clisp ftw [16:22] Action: Camarade_Tux cries [16:22] clisp = common lisp without emacs? [16:23] Camarade_Tux: last time I sat down to try to learn lisp, I was using a crippled lisp interpreter. It didn't even have "defun"... [16:23] that was in... 1986? 87? [16:23] Urchlay, hahaha, but that wasn't the reason why I was crying [16:23] Oi, this will take a while lol [16:23] I was actually crying ;p [16:23] oh [16:23] and anyone tried clojure ? [16:23] something sad happen, or you were just now chopping onions? [16:23] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.94.134.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] allergies and I touched my eye, now it got worse [16:24] stop what you're doing right now! [16:24] go scrub your hands clean! [16:24] BP{k}, yeah, I guess one can get used to that [16:24] do this now, before you forget not to touch your pee-pee! [16:25] (whatever it is that made your eye start leaking can't possibly be fun to accidentally get on Mr. Happy) [16:25] I have allergies but... i am inside all the time so haha [16:26] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:26] VampX (n=orlandol@200.46.190.99) joined ##slackware. [16:26] I have a friend who is probably spoken of with awe, whenever allergists get to swapping old stories [16:27] thats a good way to get an infection or spread a virus, 1. you touch something others have touched with dirty hands, 2. you rub your eye with hand with germs & viruses that came from touching things others have touched [16:27] he was a vegetarian, he got sick, he got tested, and found out he's allergic to damn near every vegetable on the planet [16:27] Hahah [16:27] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: No route to host [16:27] I wonder if i will get allergic to the mouse or the computer... or the chair for that matter [16:27] broccoli? allergic. Beans? allergic. Corn? Wheat (like the wheat in bread)? rice? All of the above, allergic. [16:28] I think maybe he could still eat potatoes and lettuce, but You Will Die if you try to live on that [16:28] yowza, that kind of limits the diet to meat, i like meat, but i also like vegetables and cerials high in fibre like raison bran [16:28] dude couldn't even eat carrots, peas, squash [16:29] Urchlay, hahaha ! [16:30] he was forced to learn to eat meat just to survive (and it made him seriously sick for the first couple months, he'd been raised by hippy vegetarian parents and his GI tract was a complete meat-virgin) [16:30] can he drink beer ? :D [16:30] not sure [16:30] nvision (n=nvision@g230001004.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:30] I know he *does* drink beer, but I dunno if it causes any allergic reaction [16:30] jplcrd (i=1000@81.84.168.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:30] he can drink vodka OK (made of potatoes) [16:31] the alchohol might help [16:31] he might just drink beer with a benadryl chaser these days [16:32] eh? [16:32] damn, that's sad... (read backlog) [16:33] guy went crazy (delusional, maybe schizo) about 10 years ago and disappeared. Either nobody knows where to find him, or his parents know but aren't telling me [16:33] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-143-245-12.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:33] ewww! benadryl is awful, i would rather have some good pain meds than a damn benadryl [16:34] NukeDukem: as it happens, this guy would agree with you [16:34] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] he hated all forms of antihistamine... which kinda sucks, since it's the active ingredient in pretty much all anti-allergy drugs [16:35] does anyone have the file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so? [16:35] not on 12.2 [16:35] nope [16:35] Kaapa: not I (on -current64) [16:36] i'm on 12.1 and still nope =p [16:36] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so: [16:36] :S [16:36] neither on -current32 [16:36] it's a software raster driver or something [16:36] isn't that part of ATI stuff? [16:36] Kaapa: you using proprietary drivers? (nvidia or ATI?) [16:36] Urchlay: no [16:37] but probably I have trash here [16:37] don't think aiglx is really used for much. If it's a non-fatal error (if X still works), I'd ignore it [16:37] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [16:38] well, going to bed, at least I won't be tired for my exam [16:38] Action: Camarade_Tux couldn't manage to work or concentrate because of his eye =/ [16:38] greetings all ! [16:38] Kaapa: grep swrast_dri.so /var/log/packages/* [16:38] kristoffer (n=kristoff@94.191.162.169.bredband.tre.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:38] samba is such a pain [16:38] pprkut: nothing [16:39] if that (EE) means it's a fatal error, you could disable aiglx: 'Option "AIGLX" "off"' in the ServerFlags section of xorg.conf will do it [16:39] swrast_dri, SoftWareRASTer_dri ? [16:39] Kaapa: hmm, anything installed by non-slackware packages? [16:40] yes, the stupid ati driver :S [16:40] no experience with ati :/ [16:41] the latest X update screwed my kbd config [16:41] I know I can solve it with hal, but is there documentation about it available somewhere? [16:41] Kaapa: is that a fresh xorg.conf (generated by X -configure, or copied/edited from xorg.conf-vesa)? [16:41] night everyone [16:41] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [16:41] Urchlay: it's the old one [16:41] if not, there's probably a bunch of old ATI junk left in there [16:42] probably should mv it out of the way and start fresh [16:43] hiptobecubic: why is samba a pain? [16:43] apparently, AIGLX is really only useful for compiz... if you really really want compiz, you fix AIGLX; if you don't give a damn about compiz, you disable AIGLX and forget it exists [16:43] Haha, soon i will be slacking :p [16:44] Necos, it's just so mysterious. There's no sshfs //dest /mountpoint blam-o! it's edit smb.conf... restart smbd and nmbd... go to the windows box and hit F5 for a few minutes and see if anything happens... nothing happened... edit smb.conf.... etc [16:44] FFFoke: don't forget to order a slackware t-shit [16:44] Lol [16:45] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Action: christian is back [16:46] sshfs has nothing to do with samba [16:47] or are you talking about nmbd not being able to resolve the windows hostname? [16:47] Necos, i know sshfs has nothing to do with samba. I was making the point that it's much more straight forward [16:47] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [16:47] lol [16:48] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [16:48] samba requires knowledge of smb/cifs setups, that's all [16:48] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-155-76.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Like, duh. just use swat! [16:49] Necos, well take a look if you can help. http://dpaste.com/54337/ [16:49] eviljames, i did use swat [16:49] I have my samba share working, but windows users can only connect if they log in as me. here is smb.conf http://dpaste.com/54337/ [16:49] I would like for there to be no access restrictions on the share. So that any fbi agent could pull up to the house and listen to my mp3s [16:50] swat sucks [16:50] don't use that shit [16:50] Necos, i wasn't at first, but when i couldn't get anything to work i had it make me one (which of course worked :D) [16:51] the new intel driver in current, is it a fast or a slow one? [16:51] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:51] they release a slow one? [16:51] hiptobecubic: well... a few questions to ask... [16:52] there are some release of the intel driver with a bad performance [16:52] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:52] 1.) are you using domain logons? 2.) do the directories you want to share have chmod o+rx? [16:52] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:52] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:53] So any idea? i thought guest ok = Yes was it [16:53] My irc connection appears ruined... [16:53] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] there it goes [16:54] Necos: what do you mean, swat sucks? It generates great .conf files [16:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit!" [16:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Necos, connection dropped. Anyhoo. did my paste(s) go through? [16:55] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [16:56] http://www.pastebin.ca/1457069 [16:57] swat deletes all the damn comments and notes from the .conf file [16:57] i don't trust it to generate safe .conf files [16:57] =p [16:57] it does [16:57] Necos, fabulous. I'll take a look [16:58] y0 slackytude, how's it going? [16:58] that's what i use at home [16:58] heya firebird619 [16:58] ok, was learning stuff all day [16:58] I wasn't aware of it deleting the comments, but it certainly generates safe .conf files [16:58] firebird619, how about you [16:58] doing excellent, thank you. :) [16:58] everybody is having fun but me :( [16:59] slackytude: why aren't you having fun? [16:59] i talked to people over in #samba about that a long time ago... they still haven't fixed it [16:59] Necos: I'd say doing it by hand is more likely to have an error than swat. [16:59] slackytude, learning what? [16:59] firebird619, coz Im learning stuff, opengl, robitcs, math [16:59] hiptobecubic, ^^ [17:00] Urchlay: Got my current vm up and running now. Thanks again. [17:01] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: Connection timed out [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-150.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] assuming i don't sell my other laptop, i'm going to be running slackware64-current on one and slackware-current on the other when the release candidates come out [17:02] for now, however, the new kde is still too annoying and i don't have time to run package repositories (unfortunately) [17:02] slackytude: those are all fun topics to study! what are you doing with math? [17:02] Gizzmo (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left ##slackware ("SNR too low"). [17:03] Action: TwinReverb is ashamed at how slowly 64 bit outside of free/open-source is maturing [17:03] i'm surprised microsoft wasn't all over it [17:03] "holy krap, now we can waste even MORE RAM!" 8-) [17:03] Action: TwinReverb is shocked to see vista with more than 4 gb RAM report that it runs a swap file of that size or even larger. why?! [17:04] eviljames, well, I need lots of vector stuff for opengl and robotics but Ill try to teach meself statistic, stochastic and analysis as well [17:04] I think the lastis called calculus in english [17:04] TwinReverb, coz it sucks :P [17:04] Krunk (n=Krunk@pem-tcs2-port115.vianet.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:04] so that disk cache thing i saw in the new kernel recently, is that their attempt to spin down hard drives and have RAM do the caching of writes for maybe laptop type applications? [17:04] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.182.36) left irc: "Saindo" [17:05] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:05] eviljames, and they arent that fun to study [17:05] eviljames, not if time is a factor [17:05] I should be doing ok if Im done with it last week, tho [17:06] Hi. Is postgresql8.x in the packages -- I didn't see it there. I'm thinking of switching to Slackware12.2. [17:06] Krunk, http://www.slackware.org/getslack [17:06] however... [17:06] ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/*gres*: No such file or directory [17:07] i guess not [17:07] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/postgresql/ [17:07] TwinReverb: I noticed mysql but not postgresql - would an ordianry .tar.gz work in Slackware? [17:07] Krunk, see my link [17:07] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] Krunk, if it is a slackware package, yes [17:08] slackydude: can't type fast enough -- thanks. Will try Slackware again -- I'm tired of mandriva :) [17:08] Krunk, heh [17:08] Thanks folks . . . [17:08] Krunk, they used to be good [17:09] well, not bad, anyway [17:09] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:09] slackydude: I still use it for my dev and reg box, but Ihave an old laptop gonna setup for my wife. Want something clean I can build with a very simple interface [17:10] sounds good [17:10] slackware rocks for stuff like that [17:10] salckytude: had probs getting it to work on my 64 bit box [17:10] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] Krunk, mandriva? [17:11] i wonder sometimes if there is a way to do "default" configs, sort of like Windows XP's C:\Documents and Settings\All Users but without the gayness [17:11] slackytude: no, Slackware 12.1 -- just didn't want to work, so I dumped it, and used Mandriva 2008 -- solid, but boring [17:11] kristoffer (n=kristoff@94.191.162.169.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [17:11] i.e. copy the files / links over, not make them permanent [17:11] TwinReverb, hm? [17:11] mandriva isn't too bad but for older hardware slackware rules [17:11] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] i have used both (mandrake/mandriva and slackware) [17:12] Krunk, eh, sounds odd [17:12] kristoffer (n=kristoff@94.191.162.169.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Client Quit [17:12] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:12] slackytude, so like if i set up a laptop where people can add user accounts to "learn" linux, etc, that it copies over stuff to help them out like desktop links, flash for firefox, etc, stuff like that [17:12] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:12] TwinReverb: looking at the specs, yes, That's why I want it -- have the DVD copy, but have to order the CDs [17:12] TwinReverb, skel [17:12] mandrake was a cool name. Evoked medieval magickal imagery, [17:13] mandriva just sounds lame [17:13] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection timed out [17:13] mandrake is a type of fruit [17:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.13) joined ##slackware. [17:13] mandriva sounds like slobber [17:13] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.175) left irc: "Leaving" [17:13] like dribbel [17:13] TwinReverb, anything you put into /etc/skel will be put into new users home [17:13] slackytude, oh wow i didn't know that [17:13] slackytude: might have been my old box -- was on the receiving end of a lightning strike -- had the modem cord still connected with all power unplugged. Fried theHD, [17:13] http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/using_skel.htm [17:13] TwinReverb: yeah, one that's used in all kinds of "eye of newt" type witches' brew, and there's a myth that if you pull a mandrake from the ground, it screams [17:14] damn linux/unix are so elegant in solution [17:14] ^-^ [17:14] Krunk, nifty [17:14] slackytude, so /etc/skel/Documents becomes /home/whoever/Documents ? [17:14] aye [17:14] slackytude: will be back once I get the disks [17:15] not sure how good it is with subdirs like /etc/skel/foo/bar [17:15] should be fine for most stuff, tho [17:15] Krunk, godspeed [17:15] I always wonder about the windows default names... If I download a document someone else wrote, it shouldn't go in "My Documents" (it should go in "Bob's Documents" or whoever wrote it :) [17:15] Krunk (n=Krunk@pem-tcs2-port115.vianet.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:15] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.cwru.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [17:16] pretty sure /etc/skel supports subdirs just fine... worth checking before you trust it of course [17:16] yeah, I think so too, but better check [17:16] estreLa (n=vzqnp@201-88-18-9.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:17] slackytude, i just tested it and yes it does [17:17] it works to the point of ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflash* [17:17] i'm just thinking of ways to make this laptop user friendly so that the recipient won't scream and tear out their hair [17:19] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:19] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:23] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [17:24] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.162.94) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:24] Ugh, i wonder how long of this install that is left. [17:24] ? [17:24] Necos, why use share level security? [17:24] I am installing Slackware [17:24] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Now if you were talking to be even [17:25] me* [17:26] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.132) left irc: "Leaving." [17:26] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Connection timed out [17:28] simbiozz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) joined ##slackware. [17:29] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.242) joined ##slackware. [17:31] whats a good help desk app? [17:32] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.42.53) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:32] bijit, ssh? 8-) [17:33] a hammer [17:33] <[OpenSys]> turn off the phone [17:33] a phone? [17:33] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Ubuntu Remote Desktop! ubunturd for short... [17:34] lol [17:34] did I tell you people about my recent discovery? its called seamless rdp and its nifty if you need to do stuff in a LAN with win boxes [17:34] haha [17:34] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] irc works as a help desk app, coupled with ssh [17:34] slackytude: like rootless X on macosx? [17:34] coz you can get a single app running on a win machine via rdp [17:35] Urchlay, like running apps on remote computer with ssh -X [17:35] no idea about that macosx thing [17:35] do you get normal windowmanager-styled titlebar & such, or does it still look "foreign"? [17:35] We give support and I would prefer a ticket rather than a call [17:36] VanRoy1 (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: No route to host [17:36] Urchlay, it will all be foreign, looks just like on Win [17:36] slackytude: basically the same thing. It makes X11 windows look like they're part of the regular OSX desktop (which isn't X-based at all, despite the name) [17:36] bijit, it's more fun when you hear them get electrocuted [17:37] TwinReverb: ethernet-to-mains adaptor? [17:37] Urchlay, nifty [17:37] bijit: http://www.opensourcehelpdesklist.com/ [17:37] Urchlay, apple do some nice stuff [17:37] TwinReverb: lol [17:37] Urchlay, of course, they have their share of screwups as well [17:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420158.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] slackytude: yah, but they tend to leave out "advanced" preferences. Like, you can use a 2-button mouse in OSX, but you can't use it left-handed (no way to swap buttons without installing 3rd party software) [17:38] Urchlay, sucks [17:38] to me, that's an accessibility fail. Would be just as bad as leaving out large fonts for the vision-impaired [17:39] Necos, ping [17:39] Urchlay, thats generally the case with closed source stuff too, imho [17:39] Urchlay, yeah etherkiller [17:39] slackytude: true. Though windows has supported leftie mousing since at least win95, maybe before [17:39] Urchlay, in the same way opensource is sometimes to fragmented and customizable [17:39] cmk_zzz: I had a look @ this one http://glpi-project.org/?lang=en [17:39] no such thing as "too customizable", as long as there are reasonable defaults [17:39] cmk_zzz, nice [17:40] (of course sometimes open source projects have a funny idea of "reasonable") [17:40] heh [17:40] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [17:40] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] but then, so does closed source stuff [17:41] default winxp theme = painful to the eyes [17:41] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [17:41] uglier than any gnome or kde theme I ever saw [17:42] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-1022.tvcom.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] too childish for me [17:42] hoho (n=hooh@190.80.193.21) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] I usually switch to classic look during the first minutes [17:42] yeah... "Windows(r) Special Olympics(tm) Edition" [17:43] where can I find libcapi20 [17:43] right after libcapi19 and before libcapi21? (note: ignore this) [17:44] haha [17:44] eh, the only libcapi anything I see is: /var/adm/packages/openssl-0.9.8i-i486-3_slack12.2:usr/lib/engines/libcapi.so [17:45] (hm, that openssl needs upgrading, too, I think) [17:45] something for wine [17:45] it complains it is missing [17:45] libcapi20 development files not found, ISDN won't be supported. [17:45] ah [17:45] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] guess I don't really need it [17:45] do NOT worry about that [17:46] k [17:46] Urchlay: that's the same openssl I have here, latest 12.2 updates. [17:46] i'm tired of cedega being a pain [17:46] so I will stoop to wine to try [17:46] even if you actually use ISDN in this century, you almost certainly don't need wine to support it [17:46] cedega doesnt give you that much anyway [17:46] true [17:47] well I haven't rebooted since installing it [17:47] but it refuses to detect a cdrom [17:47] I just chowned the files to my user [17:47] juice, who needs a cdrom to install games... [17:47] seemes stupid it uses a group [17:47] it isn't installing [17:48] it's loading the game it wants the cd [17:48] just use wine [17:48] firebird619: was comparing openssl version numbers between 12.2 and -current, is why I thought that one was old [17:48] and atm I can't find the disc I have which if I do find it it has a scratch [17:48] the days when cedega supported more games are long over [17:48] just trying old black and white [17:48] Urchlay: Ah, ok. :) [17:48] slackboy, ok [17:48] slackytude, [17:49] the slackbuild for wine needs updated [17:49] they used to be better for some stuff but it looks like they got tangled in their gui and overlooked the actuall wine part [17:49] bleah, I remember the one time I went to #wine for help. They refused to help me at all unless I rebuilt wine with *all* the useless optional deps [17:49] i doubt the newest version is what I need trying to play older games [17:50] but may as well use it [17:50] Hell,this heartburn is painful... [17:50] altho I havent messed with cedega for some time [17:50] ISDN, scanner support, bidirectional text for languages I don't and never will know how to read [17:50] I used to play HL2 with it [17:50] and wine as wel [17:50] both were crap [17:51] Urchlay, you mean you aren't using arabic lang? [17:51] and the problem turned out to be something so earth-shatteringly dumb, yet bizarre, that I could have wasted a week trying to follow their "we won't help you unless you do this" directions [17:51] VampX (n=orlandol@200.46.190.99) left irc: [17:51] you gotta love the windows "don't touch the settings!" mentality sometimes 8-S [17:51] hiptobecubic: if I want my computer to print a bunch of stuff I can't read, I'll just open some of the crappy intern-written code from my old job. No need for anything fancy... [17:52] Urchlay, my problems with wine always amount to "Our reversed engineered lib sucks balls and can't do feature X. Break MS terms of service and use theirs" [17:52] Urchlay, :D I wish I were a code monkey intern [17:52] Urchlay, well actually that's not entirely true. I AM a code-monkey intern [17:52] not if I were the full-time employee with seniority [17:52] I am... not good with people [17:52] I wish I wouldnt have to support crappy code written by interns -_- [17:52] in perl no-less. the ugliest language i've ever written in [17:53] Action: Urchlay *hearts* perl [17:53] ugh [17:53] it's foul [17:53] all code gets ugly when writte by interns [17:53] but it's very easy for a beginner to make a mess with it, I will admit [17:53] Action: fred hugs C++ [17:53] watch out, those +s have sharp corners [17:53] "Foo" == "bar" ERROR YOU FAGGOT ! THOSE AREN'T NUMBERS! YOU CAN'T == YOU NEED eq [17:53] perl seems to almost have a culture where unreadable code is highly valued [17:53] fred, ++ [17:53] fred, yeah [17:53] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:54] Urchlay: it is very easy for professionals to make a mess with to [17:54] fred: eh, that's a subculture... unfortunately a highly visible one [17:54] perl is a write-only lagnuage [17:54] oh, sorry, I believe the interchangable term 'idiomatic' is used instead of 'unreadable' :p [17:54] slackytude, lol [17:54] Urchlay: much more so than IOCCC :p [17:55] well, all I can say is, I've written perl code that was readable even to people who only knew java, and it ran rings around the java junk it replaced... [17:55] 10 LET IDIOMATIC$=UNREADABLE$ [17:55] 20 PRINT IDIOMATIC$ [17:55] ...and by now it's probably made that company $10 million [17:55] They never bothered with an IOPCC because it was too easy :p [17:55] Urchlay: yeah, it's perfectly possible to write readable perl code [17:55] just somewhat rare [17:55] 30 REM STREK [17:55] and need to be very picky about who you give commit access to the code to [17:55] (of which I don't see a dime. Remind me why developers don't get royalties for reuse of their creative works the way musicians & authors do?) [17:56] Urchlay, coz they arent sexy [17:56] because musicians aren't salaried. [17:56] I wasn't technically salaried, I was a contractor [17:56] celeried? [17:56] on a really long term contract [17:56] also, some musicians do work on a one-off basis sometimes :p [17:56] Action: TwinReverb imagines throwing a hand full of chopped celery at fred [17:56] fred, yes, very true [17:57] veritos (i=4c68f9a7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0c8965e1a71b97b4) joined ##slackware. [17:57] $200 / hour but only once a week lol [17:57] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [17:57] and only one hour [17:57] but if I'd tried to sneak a royalty agreement into the contract, I might have killed the HR weasel (he might have asphyxiated from laughing so hard) [17:57] Urchlay: also, "software as a service" :p [17:57] Does removepkg actually reverse the changes made by doinst.sh? [17:57] oh well, g'night [17:57] you can write readable code in most languages (and you should!). However, different languages require different level of discipline to write properly. I like python because of this. It has been designed for reading, not writing [17:57] cmk_zzz, agreed [17:57] veritos: for the most part, no [17:57] *in general. no [17:58] night TwinReverb [17:58] cmk_zzz: I feel like I'm riding a bike with training wheels whenever I have to use python [17:58] Urchlay, you are doing it wrong :P [17:58] cmk_zzz: which is better than Java: that's a bike with a kitchen sink [17:58] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] it will cleanup symlinks iirc, but as doinst.sh can contain /anything/, it can't actually undo anything that could be there [17:58] Urchlay: Perhaps so. But at least when you go back to the code 2 years later you actually understand what you did [17:58] greetings and salutations [17:58] y0 andarius [17:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] cmk_zzz: I understand what I did 2 years ago in any language I was using 2 years ago [17:58] fred: How does it detect the symlinks, out of curiosity? I tried reading removepkg, and it was a bit...funky. [17:59] 152 sed -n 's,^( *cd \([^ ;][^ ;]*\) *; *rm -rf \([^ )][^ )]*\) *) *$,\1/\2,p' [17:59] (line 152 of removepkg in the extract_links function) [17:59] fred: I suppose that that line makes my point. [17:59] cmk_zzz: 20 years ago might be different, but most of the old floppies full of BASIC code have decayed to unreadability by now [17:59] sed is also highly readable [17:59] salutations slackytude [18:00] fred: heh, you better put bash/sed on your list of write-only languages, that takes a minute to mentally parse :) [18:00] Urchlay: That proves you are a better programmer than I am! [18:00] Urchlay: got a better example :p [18:00] perl has senseless priorities to me. It doesn't want to sacrifice backward compatibility so much that it hangs on to awkward rules like "hashes can only have scalar keys" [18:00] cmk_zzz: no, it proves I've been programming for entirely too long :( [18:00] fred: okay, now to find where the changes made by doinst.sh are stored by installpkg. back to reading shell, haha [18:00] An irc bot alias: | sed 's/.*\.(\d+)\./$$1/' | sed 's/[019]//g' | sed 's/(.)(?=.*\1)//g' | sed 's/./\$$$$0/g' | sed 's,^,pick /^"(?!!).*$*"/ | sed "s#([^ ])([^ ]?)([^ ]?)([^ ]?)([^ ]?)([^ ]?)([^ ]?)([^ ]?)([^ ])(?: |\$$)#\$$1,' | sed 's/$$/\$$9 #g"/' | sh [18:01] veritos: the script is put in /var/log/scripts/ [18:01] fred: I bet I could rewrite that in 1/4 the size in perl (but, I wouldn't!) [18:01] fred, well that line is obvious [18:01] slackytude: what does it do? [18:01] fred: oh, that sed line's run on the doinst.sh? Classy. [18:01] yup [18:01] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:01] oh, there it is. [18:02] anyone knows where is the irport option to enable in kernel 2.6.28 ? [18:02] fred, it pipes stuff through sed :P [18:03] fred: whatever that line does, should not be done in one line, and almost certainly should not be done entirely with regex... [18:03] heh, yeah [18:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [18:03] if I hadn't already been awake for 25+ hours, I might at least have a reasonable guess as to what it does [18:03] but I really am running on fumes [18:04] almost tempted to hack in doremove.sh as a preremove script ;) [18:04] Hmm,What is this frame buffer console? How do i know which one i should pic [18:04] I wish slackpkg could maintain it's ftp session as it downloaded packages [18:04] pick^* [18:04] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:04] Linux will be the first OS to support USB-3 thanks to a lovely young lady named Sarah Sharp [18:04] NukeDukem, link or it didnt happen [18:04] veritos: that has been discussed a few times over the years... the general consensus (as I understand it) is "if we can get by without it, we don't do it" [18:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:05] NukeDukem, meaning that it won't matter because there will be no hardware? [18:05] slashdot [18:05] Urchlay: exactly. that and the fact that i' [18:05] m perfectly capable of reading doinst.sh and reversing its changes by hand [18:05] that, and the fact that your ' key is too close to your Enter key, same as mine? :) [18:05] Urchlay: yup yup [18:06] My computer uses 32bit color 1280x1024, should i use 1024x768x32k as frame buffer console? [18:06] I have a specific instance where I'd like to have a doremove.sh: if I install elvis, then vim, then remove vim, I end up with /usr/bin/vi as a dangling symlink [18:07] whenever a stray ' or ` mess up your bash shell just hit that key again and press enter and you get your bash back [18:07] Urchlay: but the real fix for that would end up with something like debian's alternatives system. not fun. [18:07] gm145 (n=gm145@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] "vi: command not found" scares me on a fundamental level, somewhere around the part of the human brain that's responsible for those nightmares where I'm standing naked in front of my high school class again... [18:08] ugh. debian's alternatives annoy the *crap* out of me [18:08] you end up with /usr/bin/text-editor and /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator and you have *no idea* what you're about to run [18:08] Urchlay: reminds me of the time on FreeBSD where i installed the bash port, chsh'd to /bin/bash, and logged out and in. but i couldn't log in b/c ports put it at /usr/local/bin/bash [18:08] Urchlay: something more frightening - nano: command not found. [18:09] chsh didn't check /etc/shells? [18:09] well, why did you chsh to /bin/bash then ? [18:09] fsckroot, screw nano [18:09] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-155-76.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:09] i was young and stupid, that's why. anyway, i could still log in as root and change it back. [18:09] hiptobecubic: screw vi! [18:09] screw you all! ed for the win. [18:09] fsckroot: I will never see that error, as I will never use nano so long as any version of vi is available (and then, I'd only use nano to fix whatever's broken that keeps vim from running) [18:10] christian (n=christia@kobz-590d149f.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Leaving." [18:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] I'd rather use cat than nano i must say [18:10] veritos: another fact which scares me somewhat: /bin/ed on Slackware is a symlink to /usr/bin/ed, which (even worse) is dynamically linked... [18:10] well, I dig this usb3 chick. nice work [18:11] there *really* ought to be a statically linked text editor that's available with /usr not mounted [18:11] ohlawd, relatively cute too. [18:11] I think we should all be very scared. [18:11] volkerdi must think that cat and sed will do the trick. [18:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.198.224) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [18:11] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] actually he was just in here yesterday, if I'd thought of it I would have asked him [18:11] cat is a cat and sed is a dog :D [18:12] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:12] (quite possibly his reasoning would have been so elegant as to make me go "Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way"... or maybe not) [18:13] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] eh, but I kinda feel like a dick bothering him in here [18:13] eh [18:13] its 0:13 already [18:13] veritos (i=4c68f9a7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0c8965e1a71b97b4) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [18:13] I have an issue when switching from KDE to Xfce, where Xfce will remember the images of KDE apps and impose them over the Xfce desktop background. [18:14] slackytude: it's NaN:13 here... [18:14] Urchlay: you didn't notice the | sh ? [18:14] not entirely sed :) [18:14] I guess I should be trying to sleep. gotta get up early again [18:14] Urchlay, smartass [18:14] fred: I did notice the | sh [18:14] it takes a line and adds random typoes [18:14] but was unable to wend my way through the labyrinthine mess to find out what exactly was being fed to sh... [18:15] it adds random typos... and then sends the typo'ed line to sh? I can't decide if that's extremely clever or amazingly stupid [18:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:16] so, now i am running slackware :D [18:16] how could you add random typos with sed? [18:16] FFFoke: congratulations! [18:17] FFFoke, welcome to the club [18:17] oh well [18:17] going to sleep [18:17] see ya later slackers [18:17] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75E1F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "I need s´" [18:18] heh. I was about 3/4 of the way across the terminal trying to type a clever way to use sed to add random typos, and he quit on me :( [18:18] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] *shrug*, it wouldn't have been all that random anyway [18:19] oh, starts with the line in a var, and has "echo $RANDOM" before the pipe [18:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.175) joined ##slackware. [18:19] and it doesnt' execute the result [18:20] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [18:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:20] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:21] Anyone running Slackware in sun virtualbox on a windows host? [18:22] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:22] no but what [18:22] is the problem [18:22] I am running a lot of VMs on Win 2008 Server [18:22] i was just curious if transparent terminals worked in seamless mode, and if seamless mode worked at all [18:23] BSD, Debian etc [18:23] FFFoke (i=5ae389fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be10011623cf13e7) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [18:23] Virtual Box the Open Version ? [18:23] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [18:23] not the OSE [18:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.13) left irc: [18:24] the one for personal use and evalutation [18:24] it does work for me ya, so the answer is yes [18:24] dammit fred... now you've got me thinking about how to realistically model human fingers typing on a keyboard and the different kinds of errors that could be simulated... [18:25] thanks [18:25] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] on qwerty, if you're trying to type a j, you're a lot more likely to get a u than an i for example [18:26] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] I miss Parallells on OSX sollution for Linux, this would make a real difference then [18:27] heh, I could even model my stick spacebar [18:27] sticky [18:29] echo "some text" | typo_simulator --accuracy=95% --keyboard-type=ibm --days-since-last-coffee-spill=30 [18:29] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-78c99609fcea7db2) joined ##slackware. [18:29] HoldMyPocket: transparent terminals do not work did someone just say in here, I can not confirm this till tommorow... but I trust the guy, so no transparenz, you can get it transparent with Windows itself [18:29] curse you fred and slackytude, now I'm stuck this way for hours! [18:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:30] freebse: thank you, been waiting to get home and try it out [18:31] you need some hardware :) but I guess for running VMS you allways need hardware, so this should not be the prob here [18:31] for running VMS, you need a large SUV full of manuals [18:31] lol also [18:32] maybe with a horse trailer attached [18:32] for running VMs, it's not so scary :) [18:32] i'm just using it to build a lamp to learn mysql & php on [18:32] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] thought i'd make it fancy and get transparent terminals and seamless mode working if possible [18:33] only if you use Hyper V ;) then a ship can not carry all the manuals [18:33] HoldMyPocket: you're presented with an amazing spectacle: a dog that can play poker... do you (a) go "Holy shit, a dog that can play poker!" or (b) go "Pffft, that dog can't bluff worth a damn"? [18:33] haha [18:33] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] haha [18:34] there is a point buried in there somewhere, hopefully my sleep-deprived brain is still making enough sense for other humans to see it [18:34] Or (c) "Holy crap, a dog that can play poker, but, eh, the dog can't bluff worth a darn" [18:34] Holdmypocket: I doubt this would work, because this is related to the desktop enviroment, I dont know how the programmed it, but I also think the host does make the settings in seamless mode... only one way to find out... [18:35] (c) would be "Holy crap, I can win enough off this dog so my wife won't know how much I lost on the football game"... I think. [18:35] freebse: i'm just glad it works at all, the other stuff is just for fun =p [18:35] hahaha [18:35] HoldMyPocket: bingo! that was the point I was trying to make :) [18:35] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:35] what about (d) All of the above. [18:35] what is orange [18:36] where is this dog, I want to play some cards with it [18:36] an orange? [18:36] some compression program? [18:36] the color? the fruit? the county in england? [18:36] a GSM Provider :) lol [18:36] some requirement for wine-doors but there are several hits for orange linux [18:36] (is it a county or a duchy? *shrug*) [18:37] there found it [18:37] http://www.ailab.si/Orange/downloads.asp [18:37] Now go get orange...juice. :P [18:37] heh [18:37] wine-doors? like, you can get wine to get drunk and sing "light my fire"? [18:37] hahaha [18:37] lol [18:38] Action: Urchlay wants to get drunk and sing "light my fire" [18:38] http://wddb.wine-doors.org/ [18:38] na doors did not get drunk they injected it... getting drunk is lame in a rockstars world, you need to be on Heroin to be a real rockstar [18:38] firebird619: interesting. [18:39] hrm [18:39] freebse: actually Jim Morrison had quit everything but drinking, a couple years before he died [18:39] i have qt 2.3 or qt 4 [18:39] anTraxc (n=gts@189-041-15-097.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [18:39] pretty sure Manzarek never did the big H... acid & weed, sure [18:39] i guess 2.3 will work with 3.x [18:39] like I said :) [18:40] Hendrix drunk would have not played the guitar well like he did with H ;) lol [18:40] s/H/A/ [18:40] Jimi was on acid, shrooms, mescaline... not heroin (that's what the coroner's report said after the autopsy) [18:41] firebird619 (n=fbird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Good Bye" [18:41] you might say I have a morbid interest in dead rock stars... except Cobain. Couldn't wait for that guy to die... [18:41] what a mix, the acid should have been enough making the other two not necessary [18:41] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] lol works as well [18:42] I dunno if he was on all 3 at once.. he probably didn't know either :) [18:42] yeah, sometimes that stuff will linger in your system after the effects wear off [18:42] you can not tell from the autopsy could be some days in between [18:44] now, how come Keith Richards is still breathing? [18:44] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@85.84.197.207) left irc: [18:45] i never tried mushrooms but when i was in arizona i had some peyote (active ingredient is mescaline) nasty little cactus to chew on [18:45] (or is he? Maybe he's been a zombie for the past 40 years?) [18:45] meh not worth it trying wine-doors [18:45] too many stupid deps [18:45] NukeDukem: you puke? [18:45] orange requires to many things [18:45] no, or dont remember, i was told to only swallow the juice from chewing and spit out the pulp [18:46] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] you remember anything? :) [18:46] this happened back in the 1970's [18:46] what is this prog doing ? [18:46] loong time ago [18:47] yeah, I remember stuff I did in the 1970s (none of which was drug-related, I was a little kid, but still...) [18:47] ok found out data mining [18:47] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [18:47] mv ~freebse/* ~urchlay # your data is now mine! [18:48] NukeDukem: I'm pretty sure you'd remember a peyote trip. It would've been really, eally, REALLY intense. [18:48] i dont do anything anymore except for an occasional beer or mixed drink, all my friends got old and married so i dont know any place to even score some weed anymore [18:48] as a gesture of goodwill, I left you your .Xdefaults and .bash_login :) [18:48] lol i am a child of the seventies :) the only one in here i guess [18:49] freebse: eh? I was born in the 70s... [18:49] that is nice, but I can not boot without /boot [18:49] no I was born in the 60s [18:49] what, you deleted /boot, or you never had it? [18:49] if you were born in the 70s, you are generation 80s [18:49] freebse: ahhh, you remember all the stuff I only get to hear about or read about [18:50] lets see i was born in 1961 so the 1970's was a teenage blur between the booze & drugs and chics, now i hope to get old and die as gracefully as possible [18:50] generation 80s, poor bastard. [18:50] ya I survived Vietnam :) [18:50] Action: eviljames generation 90s, even worse! [18:50] yeah, we had some *crappy* music in the 80s. Michael Jackson after he quit the Jackson 5. Cyndi Lauper. Boy George... ugh [18:50] I was watching on our b/w TV [18:51] Jackson 5 are allright [18:51] I didn't even get to hear Led Zeppelin *once* until I was about 15 [18:51] 80 songs rules [18:51] well yeah [18:51] Urchlay: yea, in 1995 Pantera's album Far Beyond Driven debut at #1 without so much as a radio single. [18:51] gotta love the 80's [18:51] so, 90s > 80s for music :P [18:51] jackson 5 are good old motown... michael by himself is a travesty [18:51] dont agree [18:52] agree [18:52] MJ is a very good entertainer [18:52] he's got alot of talent [18:52] I think it's pretty obvious that he's an alien in a human body. [18:52] almost that , yeah [18:52] his feet look like they move forward while he actually moves backwards!! WTF!!!! [18:52] eviljames: I saw Pantera back then (more like 1990), they did get radio airplay, sort-of (the Ga. Tech radio station had an all-metal show on friday nights) [18:53] maybe not nowdays, but hell of an artist back in the 80's [18:53] Bop__: talent he's got, yes. I don't think he's much of a solo artist though. [18:53] dchmelik (i=1000@dynamic-66-243-234-92.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:53] Urchlay: That's glorious! The Cowboys From Hell / Vulgar Display of Power years! [18:53] heret|c (n=heretic@c-24-30-117-194.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] eh, I will admit I still smile when I hear the guitar intro to "Beat It"... but that's cause it's Eddie Van Halen playing it [18:54] Urchlay, i call it entertainment , cause his shows have a lot of dancing and scenario changes , and of course , singing [18:54] I was on a concert from the Scorpions in Hanover in the 70s, when they were really good and there were about 15 ppl :) [18:54] eviljames: first thing the guy said was "You wanna stage dive? Come on up, our stage is your stage!" [18:54] Urchlay, damn , u'r old [18:54] Bop__: yeah, I'm not really being fair, cause I'm not really into dancing so I tend to forget it exists... [18:54] tutatux (n=tutatux@bl11-81-82.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:55] tutatux (n=tutatux@bl11-81-82.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [18:55] i dont dance either, but like to apreciate the show in all meanings [18:55] eviljames: after the show, there was a brutal fight in the parking lot between the singer from Pantera and the singer of the local band that opened for them [18:56] who kicked whom ass ? [18:56] Pantera guy looked like he was winning, the bouncers finally broke it up [18:57] (heh, but first, the bouncers just stood there and watched for 15 minutes) [18:57] 15 mins fight ? :o [18:57] that's a heck of a fight [18:57] usually doesnt last more than 1 minute [18:57] well, the first 10 mins were probably mostly pushing and cussing [18:57] lol [18:58] also, when stuff like that's going on, the human perception of time can stretch [18:58] (ever been in a car wreck?) [18:58] i've wreck mine , yeah [18:58] wrecked [18:59] i wrecked enough cars that there should be an automobile salvage yard named after me ;p [18:59] did you have that seemingly eternal moment where your mind had time to examine all the potential meanings of the words "Oh SHIT!"? [19:00] i examined it my mind , and realised i could done better , not hitting the wall [19:00] bad calculation [19:00] the wall probably agreed [19:01] thought is was enough angle to turn [19:01] but i see your point , on fight [19:02] the scariest wreck was when i rolled a pickup in the ditch to prevent either a head-on collision or rear-ending a stationwagon full of kids, i had a choice to make really quick, 1 headon, 2, rearend stationwagon, 3 ditch, i picked the ditch [19:02] the worst ever for me was going up a hill in freezing cold weather, in a 1976 gran torino station wagon (think "aircraft carrier on wheels", 3 tons or so)... and on the way down the hill I discover that the downhill slope is iced over [19:02] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.192) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] Urchlay: i had that "time stretch / exaime all the moments of your life feeling" on my back in an ER in the early 80's in my early 20's from partying way too much. to say the least i changed a LOT after that night. [19:03] I'm in a 3-ton hunk of steel that *will* follow the dictates of gravity, steering and brakes completely useless... [19:03] no escape way ? [19:03] and there's a tiny little Escort sitting at the bottom of the hill, I have plenty of time to notice all these little details about it, right before I destroy it, and no way to stop what's coming... [19:03] Urchlay: i have a 1984 old-style dodge truck that is real steel. time for a new one, but it is paid for and keeps on running. [19:04] Urchlay: if a 3 ton is called an aircraft carrier on wheels .. what the heck is an 40 ton patriot launcher called? ;) [19:04] dtanner: I bet your tires suck less than mine [19:04] heh [19:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [19:04] maybe not =) time for new tires a while back. [19:05] BP{k}: eh, I dunno, the aircraft thingy was an analogy... the mind boggles at 40 tons, it's like Dr. Evil's "zillion gajillion dollars" as far as I'm concerned :) [19:05] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] is there anyway to close a socket which another process has opened? [19:06] kill the process [19:07] Urchlay: hehe, we had an exercise in turkey, a whole convoy thindering down the mountain, and had to make an emergency stop. It was a small miracle that nobody got hurt/hit (all trucks were bunched up < 1 inch) [19:07] tterrifyin [19:08] Urchlay: it was. I seen several nonsmokers suddenly having the insane need to light one up [19:08] if someone got between 2 of those things, he'd be smashed to jelly [19:08] freebse (n=freebse@78.52.188.189) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] ack_syn (n=ack_syn@unaffiliated/ackz0r) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Urchlay: Yes, I can do that, but then I can't troubleshoot my problem:) It is a web server who has the port 8080 open, it has a perl wrapper running which daemonize the process. When you shutdown the wrapper, it kills the child process by closing the socket it is listening on. I want to trigger this behaviour by closing the port [19:13] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: "Smoke my bones" [19:13] hrrr [19:13] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:14] wait, apache listens on 8080, or the perl wrapper does? [19:14] BOBAlien [19:14] hexoroid (n=duhblow@unaffiliated/hexoroid) joined ##slackware. [19:14] if it's the perl wrapper, add a signal handler to the wrapper which closes the port when it receives a SIGUSR1 or something [19:14] is there anyway to see which ports are availalbe to use with netstat ? [19:15] that are not blocked [19:15] then kill -USR1 [19:15] hexoroid: you mean, not blocked by iptables or some other firewall? no [19:15] iptables and firewall [19:15] i know there was something netstat but i forgot [19:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] hexoroid: if you're blocking ports yourself, you can use iptables -L to list your rules [19:16] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [19:16] hexoroid: if you're behind a firewall and you don't know what ports it blocks, you'll have to use something like nmap [19:16] (eh, or use the telephone to call the firewall admin and ask him) [19:16] hehe [19:16] what about iptables ? [19:17] I just said, the -L option is "list"... [19:17] Urchlay: It is resin java web application server. The wrapper only deamonize the application server and it also listens to start stop commands from the startup script. When I do /etc/init.d/resin stop (or kill -15 wrapper). The wrapper tries to step its child process (resin instance) by closing the socket it is listening on. I guess I can just re-write the wrapper to send a kill signal to the child process, but as they have written it [19:18] ehmm.. the wrapper closes its end of the socket, you mean? [19:18] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:18] the child proc ought to get EOF from the socket in that case [19:19] it might be a bit cleaner for the wrapper to send an explicit message to the child, that means "quit now", instead of just closing the socket [19:19] (of course the child needs some code to recognize the "quit now" message) [19:20] probably someone ought to ask, why do you even need a perl wrapper? why not just write the java code to do its own "daemonizing"? [19:21] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-154-84.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] my wireless card is not shown in ifconfig [19:21] iwconfig shows it as wlan0 [19:21] what sad, uh? try ifconfig -a [19:22] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [19:22] Urchlay: It is not my software. I could probably as them why they are not writing the java code to to the daemonizing. Adn I agree with you on the other points. I guess I'll just rewrite the wrapper to take care of it [19:22] or maybe ifconfig wlan0 up [19:22] taking the pragmatic approach [19:22] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-83-236.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:22] cmk_zzz: ahh, you don't have source to the java part? yeah, pragmatic is good... [19:23] how come im not getting any signal? [19:23] beatzz, try ifconfig wlan0 $IP netmask $MASK up [19:23] iwlist wlan0 scan [19:23] wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [19:23] (and I've seen some real messes when someone tries to write a daemon in java and holds circular reference chains, so stuff keeps getting new'ed and never GC'ed... ugh) [19:23] iwconfig wlan0 essid "your essid" [19:24] iwconfig --help && man iwconfig [19:24] but I'm not gonna talk about java right before bed, it'll give me nightmares [19:25] speakin' o' which... goodnight, whoever's left [19:25] goodnight Urchlay [19:26] Urchlay: Yes, I always find daemonizing in java hard. I don't really mind the wrapper approach [19:28] estreLa (n=vzqnp@201-88-18-9.gnace704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "CyberScript - A diferença entre uma loira burra e uma inteligente é que a inteligente usa CyberScript. (www.cybers" [19:32] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-78c99609fcea7db2) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [19:32] Guy, is this massage familiar to anyone? : AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so failed [19:33] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: "leaving" [19:34] Urchlay: Yes, java (any type) before bed-time makes it hard to sleep I guesssss [19:34] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-154-84.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:36] ojg (n=ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [19:38] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:41] is there anyway as a home user to export somehow so that /libs are read of of /home/user/lib [19:41] ~/ is a user's path besides the usual [19:42] a quick and dirty fix would be ln -s /home/user/lib ~/lib [19:42] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] then what about /home/usr/bin ? [19:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-68-37.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:50] or export $PATH /home/user/lib but then that is a temporary fix that will disapear as soon as you log out [19:51] unless you add it to ~/.profile [19:53] nothing is more expensive than regret - sammy hagar [19:55] wonders why backspace stopped working [19:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-219-177.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:56] is google chrome faster than opera and firefox? [19:56] maybe you backed up against the wall and it has nowhere to go ;p [19:56] NukeDukem: probably [19:57] or maybe i broke screen irssi and terminal [19:58] TClayton_: progably [19:58] lol, i ruined that word [20:00] hehe [20:01] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] hexoroid, modify $LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable [20:03] dissociative, for windows or linux ? [20:03] for windows, chrome was better in some tests , FF just won on 9 tabs memory usage [20:04] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "switching" [20:04] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] evening [20:05] evening [20:06] i'm about to try to use distcc to compile a kernel; this should be fun [20:06] donito (n=dshuff@cpe-98-28-236-229.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] if you had a botnet of eleventy million with distcc it would be [20:07] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:07] who says i don't... <_< [20:08] 0.o [20:08] or a university lab [20:08] if i could get access to a couple of research nodes at uni it'd be fun [20:08] but for now it'll have to do with my 2 or 3 machiens [20:09] is it going to be a lean mean kernel? or are you throwing in the whole kitchen sink? [20:09] kitchen sink for now [20:10] number_three (n=chatzill@76.252.52.209) joined ##slackware. [20:10] i just need to get this patch in to fix my touchpad right now [20:10] then distcc would come in handy [20:11] the only real advantage to lean and mean for me would be fast boot times i think, but i don't reboot often so i don't really care about that [20:15] if an unnecessary feature isnt there it can not be exployted, thats why i dont install what i dont need or build in a kernel what i dont need [20:15] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:23] number_three (n=chatzill@76.252.52.209) left ##slackware. [20:24] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.108.238) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:25] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [20:26] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[20:38] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-210-254.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:39] compiling kernel on a netbook [20:40] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:40] i fired up distccd on the netbook though (localhost) but it looks like it doesn't do a rediscobery [20:40] rediscovery* [20:41] i think i'm using different gcc versions on each machine though. so i wonder what it'll do with that [20:41] does Mercurial do the same thing as distcc? (sortof)? [20:42] no [20:42] mercurial is a version control system [20:43] distcc is a distributed compiling system [20:43] ok, thanks :) [20:43] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-219-177.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:43] you're probably confusing them because mercurial is what's called a distributed VCS [20:43] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-208-191.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:44] Kaapa__ (n=pedro@bl10-232-207.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:45] this latest -current upgrade went very bad... [20:45] I swear it? the last time I install a proprietary driver... stupid ati [20:45] use the xorg-ati !! [20:45] Anyone knows what AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so comes from? [20:46] thrice`, I'm trying, but now it doesn't work [20:46] if you updated xorg, you will need to rebuild your ati driver [20:46] and I'm trying to figure out why [20:46] OR just use the open source driver [20:46] screw the ati driver [20:46] I just want to use the opensource [20:46] this errors are from that driver [20:46] Kaapa__: i was using the proprie3tary ati driver and i changed to the OSS one. it was just too much of a pain [20:46] try: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.atisucks, and startx without a xorg.conf [20:47] and i remember i had some really weird problems trying to get the propriteary one fully removed so that the OSS one would work [20:47] thrice`, I did that, used X -configure [20:47] no, even without X -configure [20:47] oh [20:47] xorg will work without any xorg.conf on -current, if you're using the OSS ATI driver [20:48] amazon10x_: you remember what you did? [20:49] I've reinstalled mesa, xorg-server plus everything I recalled [20:49] removed everything flgrx relate [20:49] reinstalling mesa should fix it [20:49] Kaapa: i'm trying to remember. if i do, i'll let you know [20:49] ty [20:49] did you run the ati-uninstall.sh thing that's sitting around somehwere [20:49] yes [20:49] Kaapa__ (n=pedro@bl10-232-207.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:49] oh, i remember that was my problem; i had to reinstall mesa [20:51] Nick change: ApOgEE -> Ap0g33 [20:52] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:52] Nick change: Ap0g33 -> ApOgEE- [20:52] still the same [20:52] for some reason, I don't have GLX [20:53] (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) [20:53] craaaaaap. i just realized i forgot to apply the patch to this kernel [20:53] darwin1 (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] wtf does this thing comes from?! [20:53] thrice`: are you using it now? [20:53] Kaapa: get the mesa package from today's changelog [20:53] jdetring: I am using that [20:53] I' m using the full set of today' s update [20:53] Kaapa: no, the only video I have installed is intel. that swrast_dri does not exist here [20:54] gaaaaaaaaaah [20:54] x/mesa-7.4.2-i486-2.txz: Rebuilt. Fixed missing DRI drivers. [20:54] you're on that ? [20:54] jdetring: thanks :) [20:54] no. A few hours ago, this wasn't there [20:54] yup. have fun! [20:55] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [20:55] let's see if I can have accelleration [20:55] I can see the scrfeen refreshing :S [20:55] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Thu Jun 11 13:57:36 CDT 2009 <-- a few hours :P [20:55] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:55] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [20:56] darwin1 (n=root@nat.wabroadband.com) left ##slackware. [20:56] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] andarius: blame my mirrors [20:57] jdetring: hun... do I need to reboot ? :S [20:57] no, definitely not [20:58] thrice`: what' s all this "no xorg.conf" needed ? [20:58] Kaapa: it's working now? [20:58] nah, just restart X if you want it to start it's glx subsystem. [20:58] amazon10x_: no :( [20:58] hal handles xorg's input system and module loading; you don't need a xorg.conf in most cases any longer [20:58] k [20:59] then how do I know which driver it' s using? [20:59] if radeon or radeonhd? [21:00] I didn' t upgrade :S [21:00] it should pick correctly (check the log to see what it loaded). otherwise, if not, you can add a very minimal xorg.conf section [21:00] that may explain why it wasn' t workign [21:00] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-8-1.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [21:00] about those hal configs [21:00] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [21:00] anyone knows where I can find a list of the available options? [21:00] Nick change: Yudha_HT -> yht|afk [21:00] I want to turm ralt into mode switch [21:02] I'd worry about that after xorg loads :) [21:02] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:04] alright, cancelling this kernel build. i don't have time for this crap [21:05] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:06] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] fsckroot (n=beau@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:07] k... I now have glx [21:08] crappy performance, but I do [21:08] vesa crappy, or radeon crappy? [21:09] ojg (n=ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:09] also, what are you using that makes you think it's crappy? :( [21:09] hum... say again ? :S [21:09] how are you determining it's crappy* [21:09] well, when I switch desktops I can see the windows drawing [21:10] smzz (n=zhouguoq@124.207.144.194) joined ##slackware. [21:10] Kaapa: which 2d driver did X use? [21:10] is there a way to see what drivers my kernel is using that are built-in. i know i can do lsmod for modules [21:10] but i need the equivalent for built-in drivers [21:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] amazon10x_: if you know what you're looking for, you can go grepping for strings in /proc/kallsyms to see if it's there. [21:13] hmm gmail multi inboxes is a bit odd need to get use to the new layout for my gmail now :) [21:13] jdetring: well, i'm trying to build a kernel so i want to rip out all the stuff i don't need. so i'm more interested in a list right now [21:13] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.72) joined ##slackware. [21:14] no, there is no real "list" of items that's being used by the current kernel. lsmod can be a clue [21:14] Binary version of VirtualBox cannot access to host's USB devices :-( [21:15] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [21:15] amazon10x: the only "right" way to do it is to know what hardware you've got in there (lspci), and then take the time to go through "make menuconfig" and set things (and leave out the stuff you don't need). Takes a little time, but not so bad. [21:15] about an hour or so [21:15] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] anyone here use gnustep? [21:16] zgrep y /proc/config.gz > list.txt <-- might get one started. [21:17] http://www.uberpix.net/597/flexibility/ [21:18] danc3 is right, and i will add once you get a good .config built save it so you can use it again the next time you need/want to build another kernel so you dont have to go through all that again [21:18] heh [21:19] hmm you can turn off the ignoring web clips in gmail now? [21:19] alright, i'll do that now. i think i'll just rip everything out and then add things in until i get everything to work again haha [21:19] yup, and (for amazon10x), you use "make oldconfig" with that .config file on the next kernel update, takes only seconds. [21:21] i wonder how fast this will build when i answer 'n' to everything [21:22] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:22] http://imagebin.org/52184 safe for work (rated G) [21:22] ok this is the weirdest damn thing... [21:23] xmodmap -pp says my mouse has 32 buttons [21:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] xev reveals that my side buttons on my 7 button mouse are.. 8 9... wtf lol [21:24] make allnoconfig. there we go [21:24] inspiron630 (n=Administ@c-69-140-226-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] anyone use bitlbee [21:24] new firefox is out now [21:25] cool [21:25] kitche: new new firefox? or bugfix firefox [21:26] there is a defualt config file in arch/x86/configs [21:26] amazon10x_: bugfix the 3.5 as a bit to go still but it's good right now :) [21:26] kitche: is it really freakin fast? [21:26] I heard firefox has some privacy mode now [21:27] 3.5b99 [21:27] i hear it's good for browsing porn sites [21:27] lol [21:27] Pig_Pen: ooh, that looks nice. i'll use that [21:28] I'm gonna try this out :) [21:29] amazon10x_: no clue about fast I jsut use it to watch open video format sites :) [21:29] and man I really love the gmail multiple inboxes [21:29] i am sort of disapointed in firefox (not real bad though) i remember firefox was supposed to be a lightweight (browser only) version of mozilla (now seamonkey) and nowadays firefox is as bloated up as seamonkey is (if you exclude the email and chatzilla) [21:30] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.53.22) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Pig_Pen: i've never actually looked at the codebase, but i've heard many times that besides it's popularity, firefox is a steaming pile of feces [21:30] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.52.50) joined ##slackware. [21:30] and i've never been particulary happy with it; i only recently started using it again; i prefer opera [21:30] you all suck ;) [21:31] it is, i been fiddling with dillo and rebuild slackware's links enabling the -g switch [21:31] the big thing i don't like about firefox is how nearly every feature is in an addon, and those aren't maintained by devs so they aren't held to any standard of quality [21:32] my netbook has hyperthreading; i'm gonna want SMP then, right? [21:33] amazon10x, yes [21:33] what i would like to see is a fork of firefox stripped down to be just a little better than dillo, (no rss, no history, no sqlite, cookies & cache always empty on exit, and with NoScript & adblock plus in it already [21:34] ananke, you finally bought a netbook? [21:35] nachox : i think you're confusing me with somebody else :) [21:35] me probably [21:36] ananke, no, i thought that despite your earlier statement about buying one, you would not be able to resist :P [21:36] no history? how will the back button work? [21:36] nachox : again, i have no clue what you're talking about :) i didn't say anything like that [21:36] no back button, and tear off the rear view mirrors too [21:36] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] pi31415: remeber what you searched for before [21:37] lol [21:38] ananke, i asked you one time whether you would be buying one because i was thinking about buying my own and wanted some references and you said you wouldnt buy one [21:38] nachox: but you wouldn't be able to run solaris on it :( [21:39] bah [21:39] thrice`, windows xp probably [21:39] after a lot of work, I reinstalled.... official ati driver [21:39] jeez, you are terrible [21:39] nachox : how long ago was that? i don't remember it, maybe because i don't buy laptops/netbooks [work provides me with those, anytime i want a new one i get it] [21:39] at least now I have decent speed + hibernation + doesn't crash [21:43] ananke, months and months, before xmas i think [21:43] i have not eaten nachos in ages [21:43] will have to remedy that soon [21:46] nachox : that'd explain. i do have a dell xps m1330 and dell mini 9 [21:47] are those dell mini 9 usable? [21:47] nachox : as usable as netbooks are [21:47] the only bad thing i've heard about the mini 9 is an unconventional keyboard layout [21:48] landyda (i=vaibhav@117.197.52.50) left irc: [21:48] pi31415 : that's common among all netbooks, since they physically can't have a full keyboard [21:48] is there some kind of problem with the version of X that 12.2 comes with obeying modes? Keeps starting at 1024x768 no matter what I put, once in X using xrandr works fine to change it to 1280x1024 [21:49] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [21:49] http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/mobile/Dell/Mini/keyboard3.jpg [21:49] even dri is working [21:49] My netbook has a more conventional layout [21:50] pi31415 : show us then :) [21:50] the mini 9 has + and {} in strange places [21:50] mine has them in the normal places [21:51] nothing in xorg.log that even shows it tried to use the right mode [21:52] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: "updating to current..." [22:00] you know about that Air France flight that crashed in the Atlantic ocean recently, hows this for a bit of irony, a woman that missed the flight dies in an automobile accient [22:00] acciendt* [22:00] wow [22:01] thats what i thought too, it was like the Grim Reaper wanted her bad [22:01] i'd call that a very unfortunate coincidence, not irony [22:01] Action: andarius would call it bad drivers :o [22:02] Pig_Pen: thanks again [22:02] fast browsing [22:03] yeah, not fancy, just fast [22:03] sopas (n=souphead@112.198.132.111) joined ##slackware. [22:03] 'fast browsing'. i think with chrome, safari 4, opera 10, and even ie8 - firefox is quickly losing its appeal [22:04] mshade1 (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] links -g faster that firefox [22:04] TClayton_ : that's hardly a fair comparison [22:04] lol [22:05] TClayton_: it has a menu that autohides, just click up there on the top of the window [22:05] firefox with ramdisk is pretty fast [22:05] ananke: how is firefox losing it's appeal? [22:05] that < is a back button on the top/left [22:05] tuxrules (n=raghu@ppp-69-219-140-159.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] danc3 : it's becoming the slowest browser on the block, with little to offer [22:06] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:06] heh, ok [22:06] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:06] little to offer to compensate for that sluggishness that is. it has some nice things, mostly in terms of decent third party plugins [22:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:06] yeah. sad, isn't it? [22:06] ananke, we're all waiting for chrome to ditch firefox :) [22:06] haven't noticed any sluggishness, myself [22:07] nachox : i certainly am [22:07] danc3 : have you used any of the other browsers i've mentioned? chrome, safari 4, opera 10 [or even 9], next to firefox? [22:07] oh, come on! not only firefox is a damn pig memory wise but recently it has had a very very bad security record [22:08] only opera 9, but couldn't stand the user interface [22:08] nachox : that too. it's a shame, it used to shine there [22:08] have you had any "security" problems with FF, or just read about them? [22:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-68-37.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [22:09] I always get a kick out of that... security problems with a linux browser... heh [22:09] ananke, i think those bugs had been there for a long time, but firefox was not interesting enough to hack it when it had 5% of userbase... [22:09] danc3 : i think it's fair to say that everybody is exposed to the consequences of said 'security problems'. they come in a form of frequent updates [22:09] trying to install 64 -current on a vm using virtualbox. I've got AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core but get an error while boot up saying this is not x86_64 CPU but i686 only [22:09] danc3 : it doesn't matter what os, web client security exploits are very common these days [22:10] nachox : that's probably true [22:10] tried iceweasal recently it crashed more than it worked [22:10] sorry quite a newb with virtual machines [22:10] ananke: so they say... have you (or anyone you know) ever *actually* *experienced* a security related issue with FF? [22:10] i'm really hoping firefox 3.5 is going to restore some faith [22:10] tuxrules, booting up what? virtualbox or the vm? [22:11] danc3 : i've seen plenty of machines compromised due to the web content they've accessed [22:11] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:11] ananke: really? compromised in what way? [22:12] Virtualbox is fine...installing 64-current in a vm [22:12] danc3 : infected with malware. yes, a portion of it was related to java, but the point remains - browsing the internet is no longer considered a safe task [22:12] ananke: I was assuming a Linux box... malware? [22:12] danc3 : windows [22:12] ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. there's the real heart of the matter.... [22:13] tuxrules, enable the usage of virtualization extentions in both the bios of your amd64 machine and virtualbox, if you machine lacks those it cant virtualize 64 bit guests [22:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:13] can someone explain me somethings about xkb? [22:13] I don't get what lv3: is for [22:13] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:13] danc3 : it would be foolish to assume that simply because you don't use windows, you can ignore security bugs in your web browser [22:14] ananke: really? how can a windows vulnerability hurt me in Linux? [22:14] danc3 : the initial vector is not windows or linux, it's your web browser [22:14] also, I don't "ignore" security issues... I update FF every time it's revised. [22:14] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:14] danc3, linux has a very small userbase, so noone gives a damn about regular user programs and do not exploit the security problems in them. but linux and unix are not inmune to them, at all [22:15] danc3 : but that goes against your mantra: ' I always get a kick out of that... security problems with a linux browser... heh' [22:15] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] thanks nachox, I'll look into that. [22:15] nachox: in "real life", linux *is* immune [22:15] if you don't think they're serious, then why bother updating? [22:16] yay, kernel configuration done [22:16] danc3, not at all, check sendmail, it has been hacked in every possible way [22:16] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:16] I don't know, actually... Just a habit to update things when Pat sends out a security release. [22:16] nachox: I was referring to browser usage [22:17] javascript and iframe exploytes are OS agnostic arent they? just browser specific? [22:17] ananke, the new niche is in stuff like adobe reader though [22:17] nachox : you should see safari 4. it's nice. and they took the 'main page/dashboard' idea from opera/chrome to another level [22:17] mshade1 (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [22:17] NukeDukem : as far as i know, yes [22:18] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:18] ananke, it's available for windows too, right? [22:19] nachox : i would assume so, since the earlier versions were. i'd have to check [22:19] yep, it is [22:19] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] http://www.apple.com/safari/ [22:19] i'll install it at work then, i'm tired of firefox... [22:20] though apple has had it's problems with security too [22:20] tuxrules (n=raghu@ppp-69-219-140-159.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] those might not be able to root a linux but if they manage to put a trojan or malware in ~/.mozilla/* somewhere that sends your username & passwords and possibly info that could let someone steal credit card info that is enough damage right there [22:20] nachox : certainly [22:21] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Connection timed out [22:21] hmm, 1.2TB of my mirrors restored, still 2TB to go [22:21] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:22] slKIvs (n=ivan@72.252.50.96) joined ##slackware. [22:22] Action: ananke curses the storage vendor [22:24] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-135-8.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:25] ananke, home server? [22:27] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:28] nachox : nope. my mirrors.vbi.vt.edu [22:28] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-151-112.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] when will 13 be out? [22:30] tomorrow [22:30] dtanner (n=dtanner@76.240.76.80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] guys, the new X detects my volume keys [22:30] how do I attach this to the correct functions? [22:30] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [22:31] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-151-112.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:31] andarius, you're kidding i assume? [22:31] nope [22:32] andarius, still kidding i assume? [22:32] no, saturday [22:32] nope [22:32] it's already out man you're all wrong! [22:32] I have it right here. official disks and everything. it's rad. [22:33] so cash [22:34] hi everybody ! [22:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] ello [22:35] slackware 13. Sounds good. What's the major news? [22:36] i would like to have an advice, i would like to know if which is better way to procced with LVM partitions .... my /home directory is a LVM partition ...i'm quite sure i will need to extend it in the future, i will also create some accounts, so i will have some others /home/another_user ... [22:37] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:37] i didnt understand the question [22:37] is it better to create a lvm partition for each new user, or just create one lvm partition for /home and extend it when there's an new user ! [22:37] paissad: one lvm for each home I would say [22:37] i'm just wondering about the mounts if there's a lot of lvm partition ! [22:37] lvm is a pain in the a$$ to configure, [22:37] one lvm for home [22:38] paissad : that depends on your needs. most people find it easier to have one singe /home [22:38] not one per user [22:38] since it is going to be #13 it should have a dark theme to it, black cats, a howling wolf in front of a full moon, you get the picture [22:38] *queue the zfs talk* [22:38] i would mess with filesystems as little as possible if it was me [22:38] riight abooouut...now [22:38] Action: ananke waits to hear more about the buggy zfs [22:38] lol [22:38] i would say that it's better to have one /home and extend when there's a new user ! [22:38] once you have btrfs, it'll be another thing [22:38] ananke: You lost files from zfs? Which host OS? [22:38] yeah. we'll talk about btrfs when it's here [22:38] cmk_zzz : i never claimed that. [22:39] ananke, you've hit the full fileystem bug? :P [22:39] but , is it possible to limit the amount of size for each user if the home of each user is not a partition ? [22:39] how to proceed please ? [22:39] ananke: it's only me jumping to conclusions. I read something about restoring 1.2 TB or something like. [22:39] nachox : nope, i just happen to read about them. [22:39] paissad: proceed that way ----------> [22:40] andarius, hmm [22:40] quotas [22:40] what [22:40] Nick change: smzz -> zgq [22:40] cmk_zzz : nah, that's another story. our storage solution experienced a 'condition', where automatic resizing from 3.5TB an up resulted in corrupted journal. vendor is addressing it via a firmware patch, but in the meantime i can't access that filesystem [22:40] andarius, quotas ? [22:41] ananke, every filesystem has it's horror stories, check ext4 for example [22:41] yes [22:41] nachox : i never claimed it was better. i'm staying away from it too [22:41] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] ananke: Oh, OK. so how about zfs? Where do you find it buggy? and on which OSess? [22:41] ananke, :) [22:42] ananke: ZFS sounds like a killer fs if you look at the feature list but I have no "real-life" practical experience with it [22:43] paissad: an old doc but should give you an idea --> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Quota.html [22:43] ananke: I got tremendous more performance out of our SAN by breaking up the array groups [22:43] cmk_zzz, check zfs-discuss, zfs has bugs just like every other piece of software, and it's young for a filesystem so some things are still a bit broken :P [22:44] Like..instead of adding 16 drives in to a massive raid 10 and splitting it up using LVM, I just put 4 of them in a raid 10..and gave them to something that needed storage [22:44] Seems to work out a lot better for our workload [22:45] nachox: thanks, I'll have a look [22:45] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-203.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] andarius, thanks ! [22:45] yw [22:47] straterra, raid levels are usually biased towards reading or writing, so everything depends on the workload i guess [22:47] Yeah [22:47] We got AWESOME reads, but piss poor writes [22:47] Action: andarius prefers as light a work load as possible :) [22:47] straterra, that's what happens with raid10 :P [22:48] yeah.. [22:48] that's ok though.. [22:48] I fixed the issue [22:49] hmm, kid is having a rough night... [22:49] straterra : performance is not an issue for us [22:49] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@114.243.235.148) joined ##slackware. [22:49] It was for us because of how the previous admin configured it [22:49] and the age of our hardware vs our expanding needs [22:50] cmk_zzz : we don't use it much, but it seems that plenty of bugs are still being fixed, despite the perceived 'yeah, it's now ready for production' [22:50] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.198.139) joined ##slackware. [22:50] hi, anyone who knows where can i download the open source drviers for ATI's graphics card? after i upgrade to the current yesterday, the startx doesn't work, because of the module fglxv. [22:51] ananke: Good to know. I'll stick to proven fs for now, I guess [22:51] win 20 [22:51] cmk_zzz : unless you use solaris, i don't think you'll be running into zfs anytime soon [22:52] cmk_zzz, having said that, i had 0 problems with it, i even removed the os disk of a solaris while it was suspended to ram, turned it on, forced it off and things still work [22:54] I need to install a storage server and had (not so progressed) plans going for solaris/zfs. I'll keep playing around with it [22:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:54] bkt5401 (n=brian@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:55] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:56] hmmmmm, i'm not as reflective as i thought....now my dad is calling me a lobster :/ [22:56] any of you guys heard of ACT! its apparently CRM software [22:56] edman007: lobster is not too bad [22:57] cmk_zzz, lobsters are usually dead when i eat them... [22:58] but i'm all red and not dead :( [22:58] spook: I have heard of it. They have been around for donkeyyears. [22:58] edman007: wow, been out in the sun have you? That hurts [22:59] cmk_zzz, yea...went deep sea fishing without suntan stuff [22:59] i thought i would be ok, only spent 2 hours in the sun [22:59] lol [22:59] but at a 12 on the UV scale...i guess its a bit bad [22:59] 2 hours out on the ocean with no protection! [22:59] yea... [22:59] that's crazy. [23:00] well i was at the pool a few days ago for an hour and barely had anything [23:01] edman007: yup, not good. Where are you at? Here in NZ if you're out for 2 hours in UV2 without sunblock, your skin will fall off and you'll have a good base for melanoma [23:02] southwest FL [23:02] an index of 12 is out of control [23:02] yea...its high here [23:03] depends on where you look, but their either quote 10+extream (off the scale) or just 11-12 [23:03] cmk_zzz, so i was in gulf of mexico [23:03] in the south [23:04] edman007: Well, I'm not envious of your red skin that's for sure [23:04] lol [23:04] hope you had a good time at least! [23:04] :( [23:04] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] yea, got like a dozen fish [23:04] even a puffer [23:04] great stuff [23:05] well i'm staying away from the sun for a few days now :) [23:06] raw aloe will help that heal up much faster than anything else [23:06] BP{k}: is it any good? [23:07] get your girlfriend to smear some aloe all over you. it's fun...as fun as a sunburn can be at least [23:07] spray aloe is the best [23:08] spook: I don't know. I have heard it mentioned as being CRM/contact database stuf, I never actually touched it. [23:08] BP{k}: its all windows, sql server, windows server etc [23:08] is toshiba a HD manufacturer? [23:08] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:08] yes [23:08] nooper: among others. [23:08] qartis_ (n=qartis@60.186.235.199) joined ##slackware. [23:09] BP{k}: well thanks anyway :) [23:09] simbiozz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:14] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.173.137) joined ##slackware. [23:14] zgq (n=zhouguoq@124.207.144.194) left ##slackware. [23:18] Simbioz (n=simbiozz@190.196.115.121) joined ##slackware. [23:22] Nick change: lee555J5 -> _lee_ [23:24] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:28] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:31] ack_syn (n=ack_syn@unaffiliated/ackz0r) left irc: "ack_syn" [23:31] anyone else getting a weird thing with hal reading your 5 button mouse as having 32buttons? [23:32] off to sleep, night all [23:33] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.53.22) left irc: "Leaving" [23:33] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) joined ##slackware. [23:33] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [23:35] qartis (n=qartis@60.186.235.199) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:39] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.195.91) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Dominian, i want a 32 button mouse! [23:40] ha [23:40] I just wannat figure out how to tell hal 7 buttons.. zaxis 4 5 mapping 1 2 3 6 7 [23:40] however.. something is fooked [23:41] for the zaxis stuff just use xev to get the correct numbers to use [23:41] umm yeah.. [23:41] It doesn't work in applications like Enemy territory [23:42] :( [23:42] try calling it names [23:44] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] yeah .. ET totally detects it incorrectly :( [23:45] VampirePenguin (n=java@96.61.183.12) left irc: Excess Flood [23:45] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-183-12.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:46] gotta love vista, i cut 10 gigs from one folder on the same drive, 10 minutes left. [23:46] cut/paste to another folder on same drive. [23:47] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [23:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:52] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:52] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:53] so.. no one knows about hal and mapping buttons properly :P [23:53] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@CPE-58-165-93-206.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Action: briareus raises his hand to Dominian and says "No, I don't" [23:59] well hal detecting that it has 32 buttons is a problem.. [00:00] --- Fri Jun 12 2009