[00:00] Cotowar: what key now? [00:00] agentc0re: no X ! [00:00] Following up on the bootchart I posted earlier (here: http://nathanbw.com/pictures/misc/bootchart.png ) I begin to suspect dma isn't enabled for my primary hard drive. hdparm output here: http://pastebin.ca/1357948 [00:00] pthreat: OMFG YOU N00b! ;) [00:00] hotpocket is like a piece of junk food something you eat [00:00] agentc0re: xD [00:00] eeeeeevrything installed lets see if this works [00:01] if i go down ... its bevause you know why [00:01] because* [00:01] of p0rn. WTG [00:01] Because you like cock? [00:01] rworkman: :O [00:01] ;-) [00:01] nathanbw has posted my kind of p0rn. the intimate details of the boot process *drools* [00:01] rworkman: how's it going rob [00:01] rworkman: Hola. New kernel didn't work :(, so I filed a bug. [00:02] pthreat: not bad, just busy :) [00:02] agentc0re: damn [00:02] rworkman: i see [00:02] think i got vbox going. since they made the OSE version, its been a really shitty process [00:02] agentc0re: did you try the SUSPEND_MODULES thing? [00:02] what has changed in current that would break my mute/vol-/+ keys [00:02] agentc0re: its more like "Hola rob como andas?" actually [00:02] rworkman: Yup, with and without. same with irqpoll like they suggested. [00:02] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:03] you need a security key to run the non free version. [00:03] No you don't [00:03] Cotowar: uhh no [00:03] I'm running the binary installer for Vbox right now [00:03] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:03] nathanbw, are you trying to get rid of the 3 seconds where nothing happens in the boot chart? [00:03] I'm running the binary build on my dev box. [00:03] public key* [00:03] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] Action: Dominian slaps rworkman [00:03] pthreat: I only know spanglish. To me it's Hola, coma e'star. [00:03] hay SpacePlod [00:03] agentc0re: just add an A to everything: [00:03] lol [00:04] where'a is'a the'a bathroom'a [00:04] agentc0re: como estas [00:04] Dominian: loooool [00:04] tu mama dormi con me perro.. chilito [00:04] loool [00:04] something like that [00:04] er...I mean hey SpacePlod [00:04] just say "tu mas feo que mono" [00:04] chinga te cabrone! [00:05] or "quitate tus pantalones y hazme ahora" the girls like that one a lot [00:05] Hey if an american girl says something like "Dont go away, you can hang out with me" how would you guys take it [00:05] my spanish is very rusty [00:05] tpollard, that would be nice as well, but I'm more concerned that the peak throughput during boot is 19 MB/s to the hard drive. I would have thought it would go faster. All I know is that this laptop boots slowing into slackware 12.2 than my (non HT single core) P4 desktop with IDE drives boots into Windows XP :-( I don't know why it's so slow. The laptop is core 2 duo with a sata hard drive [00:05] pthreat: stay [00:05] Dominian: haha! [00:05] Dominian: she is ssssssseeeeeeeeexyyyyyyyyyy [00:05] pthreat: depends on the MMORPG you are playing [00:05] heh [00:05] Dominian: why the slap? :) [00:05] Cotowar: LOL! [00:05] lol [00:05] thank you [00:05] rworkman: dunno [00:05] rworkman: Its been a while? [00:05] Oh, fair enough. :) [00:05] hehe [00:06] rolfo: I'm turning in...what's up? [00:06] and I figured your wife is too busy to do it [00:06] so why the hell not [00:06] :O! [00:06] user26902 (n=user9237@ppp-69-223-71-104.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:06] :OOO [00:06] Sometimes two can be better than one, right? [00:06] pthreat: no promises, but if you stay, you might get in her pants :) [00:06] rworkman, have you tried compiling abiword from svn lately? [00:06] I found the partition table specs and was playing with calcs on the values, but nothing is lining up. [00:06] I guess so long they don't both slap your ass at the same time, kind of like crossing streams in ghostbusters. [00:06] Of course, you might not. She's already got one asshole in there, so she may not want another. [00:06] just to change the subject [00:06] haha not if you want a clear conscience [00:06] pthreat: everyone on the internet is a girl. a hot, sexy 19 year old girl willing to do anything you want [00:06] nathanbw, you could try commenting out the lines for ldconfig and fc-cache in rc.M [00:07] www.bride.ru [00:07] meaning? [00:07] Cotowar: are you ? [00:07] lol [00:07] seems to depend on ligsf which won't buil without gnome afait [00:07] also gtk-update-icon [00:07] *libgsf [00:07] does any one notice firefox crashing if you leave it for extended periods of time? [00:07] dive: I have not. I've pulled latest stable though, but no build yet [00:07] no, im a 20 year old goon with a beard and an addiction to cigars [00:07] frullet: What version of FF? [00:07] frullet: nope, I leave ff running for days, possibly weeks, at a time. [00:07] but i can pretend if you like? [00:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Client Quit [00:08] agenc0re: 3.0.6 [00:08] Cotowar: oh i guess youre off the list then [00:08] lol [00:08] rworkman, I tried earlier and looks like it needs a more experienced hand (hint hint) [00:08] Cotowar: no thanks [00:08] okies ;) [00:08] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:08] frullet: I've got a FF process that's been running for, hrm... 39 days. [00:08] meaning the cylinder start and stop I get from converting the hex don't match what sfdisk shows on the mbr image [00:08] ok going to test X [00:08] ... [00:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [00:08] frullet: FWIW i have 3.0.5 and i am the same as eviljames, i leave mine running for weeks - months. [00:08] rworkman: if i leave it over night, when i get home from work it has crashed, and also if i tab browse flash videos it crashes on me [00:08] you want to know what should be a crime? not offering bulk discounts on mail order brides [00:09] dive: I'll give it a look as soon as possible... As you've seen, we're a bit busy with in-tree stuff lately :) [00:09] I'd have to see what you're getting...pastebin? [00:09] Cotowar: I'm sure all you'd have to do is make a phone call or two. They'll probably be pretty eager to deal... [00:09] rworkman, yeah I noticed ;) [00:09] encoded_ (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) joined ##slackware. [00:09] Cotowar: free shipping [00:09] encoded (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:09] Nick change: encoded_ -> encoded [00:09] is this just for education, or do you expect to get something more? [00:09] emailed bride.ru to see if they have a discount for Utah customers...no reply [00:09] haha [00:10] learning...I'm just wondering if the values yu get in xxd have spacers or something. [00:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:10] and free shipping is good, so would taking them apart before shipping so i can pick up smaller parcels [00:10] Cotowar: Ha, you live in utah eh? [00:10] Cotowar: what, a volume discount? [00:10] rolfo: no spacers. [00:10] Cotowar: Looks like we could be neighbors if so. [00:10] sfdisk does the same calcs you're trying to do. [00:10] nope, just asking if those dudes get a discount. id move there if they did [00:10] yeah that's awesome exactly what i wanted xfce4-mixer-plu[4621]: segfault at dfc ip b71fb0b2 sp bfd35bc0 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[b718a000+15a000] [00:10] perfect! [00:11] im chillin in carolina. bigger cities here are decent, but im out in redneck land. [00:11] gotta reboot [00:11] brb [00:11] nullboy: what caused that?? [00:11] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-202.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:11] rolfo: ahhh! Perhaps you've overlooked the endian order? [00:11] ?? [00:12] nothing audio related will respond to my vol and mute buttons now [00:12] not sure how to explain that (I'm not a CS guy), but you need to swap the values from left to right to right to left. for each field [00:12] pthreat_ (n=pthreat@host48.190-226-112.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:12] and boom goes the dynamite [00:13] agentc0re: didnt worked either [00:13] pthreat (n=pthreat@host48.190-226-112.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:13] nullboy: Make sure you've got all new packages installed, but assuming you do, then file a bug with xfce. [00:13] pthreat_: Shity. [00:13] agentc0re: totally [00:14] rolfo: so for example, for the mbr signature 55aa becomes aa55. [00:14] nullboy: it would *really* help to get Jannis a good backtrace, but that would require rebuilding xfce4-mixer with debugging symbols. Even then, it might require debug symbols in gstreamer and all the libs it touches :/ [00:15] pthreat_ (n=pthreat@host48.190-226-112.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [00:15] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "building snoozles from the sheeps i am. damn failures never made it over the fence. make them useful i shall" [00:15] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [00:16] i'll try ot make a report for it that one but kde4 doesn;t recognize my volume buttons. if i press volume - or + with kmix open they operate the PCM channel but don't operate the master channel which means they don't change colume for anything in kde like they used to. mute doesn't even seem to do anything [00:16] pthreat (n=pthreat@host48.190-226-112.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:16] i have a .Xmodmap too and that doesn't help at all [00:16] i think i see. I'll give it a shot. And stop bothering you tonight ;-) [00:17] nullboy: that sounds like a gstreamer bug then. [00:17] mike (n=mike@adsl-235-74-202.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] However, it worked before this last bunch of updates?? [00:17] nullboy: You might try going to system-settings, Keyboard, and pick the Dell Latitude keyboard layout. [00:17] Nick change: mike -> Guest21240 [00:17] pthreat: Do you get a different error(s)? [00:17] alrighty then, rolfo [00:17] jkwood: i said earlier that doing that doesn't work at all. it used to in 3.5.10 [00:17] We've had major problems with phonon 4.3 and gstreamer, fwiw. [00:18] agentc0re: nah im just upgrading entirely to 12.2 [00:18] i have no volume contorl in xfce either [00:18] Doesn't work as in there's no keyboard layouts to choose from? [00:18] pthreat: Probably for the best. [00:18] ...it doesn;t work as in i select the proper layout, the one that worked in 3.5.10 and it doesn;t work at all [00:18] doesn't do anything. [00:18] agentc0re: just have the weird feeling it'll be the same [00:18] pthreat: Unless it doesn't work. :P [00:18] Ah, okay. [00:19] nullboy: what's xev show? [00:20] xev shows the proper codes [00:20] the same codes that my Xmodmap has always used [00:20] I'ma go get food. See ya'll later. [00:21] agentc0re: lets hope it does [00:23] i don't even know how to troubleshoot this [00:23] Oh sweet, ffmpeg 0.5 came out today. [00:25] nullboy: that makes two of us :/ [00:25] what can i delete [00:25] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] nullboy: just for grins and giggles, but the 12.2 kernel and modules back on there and see if anything changes [00:26] ok [00:26] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:27] of to sleep! [00:27] lets hope this updates correctly [00:28] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [00:30] wha tthe heck [00:30] mdeanda (n=mdeanda@cpe-76-170-19-19.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Guest21240 (n=mike@adsl-235-74-202.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:31] Guest21240 (n=mike@adsl-235-74-202.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] i got vbox installed, but its not there [00:31] and why the hell am i guest21240?! [00:32] Fix your nick? [00:32] And there is no spoon. [00:33] haha [00:33] mdeanda (n=mdeanda@cpe-76-170-19-19.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("[part message goes here]"). [00:34] wow, not much has happened since I left to make cookies. [00:35] Nope [00:35] Action: Motoko-chan is fighting with rpm [00:35] Ok here's a bit of a wtf. My virtualbox vm with slackware 12.2 boots faster than the host slackware 12.2 Bootchart here: http://www.nathanbw.com/pictures/misc/slacky-vm-bootchart.png . I'm guessing part of the virtual hard drive was cached in RAM? (explaining the higher disk throughput?) [00:35] i burnt the dvd iso, but verify told me that sector 1 differed or something. the MD5 matched up though [00:35] I think I'll spam e-mail the maintainers over the script. [00:35] Motoko-chan: why? rpm2tgz [00:35] eviljames, not on Slackware. [00:35] how unfortunate :( [00:36] Motoko-chan: lol [00:36] They are still using mplayer source from december 2007 [00:36] nathanbw: is that running on the same hw as the earlier one? [00:36] and eviljames: what kind of cookies?! [00:36] eviljames, [00:36] nathanbw: host, that is. [00:36] eviljames, yep :-) [00:37] Guest21240: chocolate chunk, is there any other kind?! [00:37] Oatmeal chocolate chunk. [00:37] With cinnamon. [00:37] umm, not really no. [00:37] exactly the same. lappy is the host (bootchar in the pictures/misc directory,) slack-vm is the guest. [00:37] good point [00:37] Guest21240: /nick NICK [00:37] Nick change: Guest21240 -> Cotowar [00:37] much better [00:37] nathanbw: The bare hardware spends a bit of time loading drivers [00:38] yea, i forgot IRC commands [00:38] nathanbw: The virtual machine doesn't give a care about the wifi. [00:38] eviljames, ah yes [00:38] are you using vbox non OSE? [00:38] Cotowar: I am. [00:38] im good with that bitch, i can help you out [00:38] eviljames, make me some cookies [00:38] Cotowar: ....WTF [00:38] Motoko-chan: My gf helps me eat the cookies [00:39] Motoko-chan: And being my gf is a steep penalty to pay for cookies. [00:39] vbox, im super good with it and can probably solve your problem [00:39] hmm maybe I can blacklist the bluetooth modules, or otherwise stop the bluetooth services from starting (don't use them currently.) [00:39] Cotowar: Why doesn't my vbox closed work with alsa on snd-intel-hda? [00:39] dive: errors out here, but not because of gnome issues. Looks like the abiword devs used a function that either isn't exported in pango's public headers or isn't in our pango version at all. I'll try to check on -current tomorrow. [00:39] nathanbw: chmod -x rc.bluetooht ? [00:39] durr, bluetooth [00:39] eviljames: because you're evil? ;) [00:39] hmmm, 1 sec, let me finish setup and ill look [00:40] you're running a slackware VM? [00:40] Cotowar: XP guest, slamd64 host [00:40] rworkman, ok thanks [00:41] what version are you using? [00:41] 2.0.4? or 2.1? [00:41] 2.1.4 [00:41] hmmm [00:42] Ah ha, another one. gtk-update-icon isn't run on the vm install. Any reason I'd need it? I'd guess only if/when I install new gtk apps. [00:43] crap, 1 sec, im going to install a linux VM and play with it [00:43] all my .iso's are archived [00:43] Cotowar: heh, don't worry about it. I can load oss compatibility modules and work it that way [00:44] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Just as long as I don't want to listen to instruments via jackd, iTunes on my xpvm and a youtube video in ff at the same time I'll be fine. [00:44] lol [00:44] i deleted my .kderc and .kde directory and the buttons still don't work [00:44] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Agh, I already took gtk-update-icon-cache out of rc.M once, but it was there in two places! [00:45] nullboy: Could it be lower-level than that? A kernel module not being auto-loaded or something equally goofy? [00:45] the only thing i have not been able to figure out about vbox is getting apps installed that require multiple CD's. my XP guest can't do it. it doesnt realize its a new CD in the drive [00:45] xev shows the proper key strokes [00:45] this si the same kernel that worked before [00:45] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "Reconnecting" [00:45] Cotowar: It probably is waiting for the eject signal or equivalent, you may need to burn the isos and use the physical drive :/ [00:46] if kmix is up in the foreground i can see Master and PCM channels. hitting the vol-/+ will move the PCM channel but not the master channel. mute doe snothing [00:46] nullboy: but now neither xfce nor kde4 work? [00:46] button presses are being seen [00:46] should i format the harddrive as linux or linux extended? (83 or 85) [00:47] the harddrive will be bootable, 64Gb and a MLC SSD [00:47] nullboy: hrm, try backing up to the hal-info from 12.2 as well. [00:47] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-170-181.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:47] no i mean in my XP VM, i tried to install a game that had 2 CD's, and it wouldn't recognize the second CD. it works fine in a standard XP machine though, but vbox wouldn't acknowledge the second CD was different fron the first [00:48] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:48] eross: 83 should be fine, that's what I use. [00:49] can anyone explain where .Xmodmap comes into play with kde keyboard layouts? [00:49] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:49] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "reboot" [00:49] nullboy: I didn't know that it did. I thought that you'd only use .Xmodmap to remap keys to do what you want them to do instead of what they actually do. [00:50] ok that's what i thought too [00:50] wow... i just realized i have more .iso's of XP than I do of Unix... [00:50] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:50] something must be done about this... [00:50] umm [00:50] Cotowar: what "Unix" cd's do you have? [00:50] rm -rf iso [00:50] nullboy: Is it an xorg.conf setting? You don't have two keyboard layouts or it didn't switch on it's own recently did it? ;) [00:50] agentc0re: nothign has changed except for updating to the latest -current [00:51] i was running current before [00:51] dragonfly bsd, fedora 7, 8, 9, ubuntu 7.10, 8.04, 8.10, gentoo something, gparted, and another one labeled UNIX [00:51] Cotowar: none of those are Unix [00:51] well, unix based... [00:51] no [00:51] they are linux based [00:51] dragonfly bsd isn't linux. [00:51] kde has a service called KMilo that deals with stuff like volume keys [00:51] exactly [00:52] the BSD is bsd [00:52] none of them are Unix [00:52] Otherwise, those are all linux, and none are unix. Except perhaps the disc labelled UNIX, depending on what's on it. [00:52] nullboy: Hrmm. That's really weird. [00:52] nullboy: pedant. [00:52] please. [00:52] according to wikipedia, they are based on unix. and yea, the UNIX disc is really scratched so i've never bothered to look. its probably some ubuntu release [00:53] nullboy: Maybe try doing a VM of -current and see if the layout is screwed up there too. Or setup a new root partition and do a fresh install. [00:53] Cotowar: Well, I'll have to go change wikipedia, then! [00:53] they are not Unix based. if they were Unix based there would be copyright issues [00:53] I'll change alot of things on wikipedia today [00:53] ! [00:53] nullboy: I'd be curious if it got screwed up during the upgrade or if it's actually the upgrade itself. [00:53] nullboy: there were copyright issues, remember? Sco? [00:53] agentc0re: i'll clean install [00:53] nullboy: Although, both of those are a lot of work and not to mention just annoying to have to do anyways. [00:53] anyone here a somethingawful member? [00:54] agentc0re: it's nt a big deal for me i have lots of disks [00:54] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Cotowar: What the hell is that supposed to mean? [00:54] i'll clean install [00:54] because i know there was a competition to screw up wikipedia articles on there [00:54] www.somethingawful.com [00:54] its a forum of random crap [00:54] OH. [00:54] everybody likes to screw with wikipedia. Homer Simpson claimed he was going to screw up wikipedia [00:55] Cotowar, for the 2 cd thing, have you tried daemontools under windows to load iso files as a loop back device [00:55] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) left irc: "more one mg, and sleep." [00:55] nullboy: You know what sucks is if it was a break during your upgrade process, how in the hell do you figure that one out either? [00:55] nope [00:55] that might work [00:55] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:55] agentc0re: nothing broke [00:55] how do i do that? [00:55] or use it? [00:56] cotowar, make an iso of the cds first [00:56] nullboy: Well you mean what i know. You're keyboard layout isn't the same correct? I've been kind of following you and kind of not. :/ [00:56] well its too late for that. i took them back to game stop. [00:56] lol [00:57] agentc0re: nothing during the upgrade broke. the upgrade went through fine and after getting into kde the mutlimedia buttons don't operate the same. they buttons press the same codes and .Xmodmap is the same. [00:57] oh, heres a question. on cluster PC's you have to write your own software a lot dont you [00:58] anyone have troubles with dhcp with dnsmasq on a bridged network? [00:58] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [00:59] are there any alternatives to X readily available? [00:59] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] nullboy: Well broke i mean it worked, you upgraded and then your stuff didn't function correctly afterwards. I'm not saying it was the upgrade itself, i'm just being general which i guess is miss leading. I guess broke can sometimes be relative to only the person who is using it. [01:00] sorry my questions are all over the place, i just have a lot of shit to wonder about all day [01:00] Cotowar: then start using google [01:01] i do, but my questions are not the googling type [01:02] or your search terms are not good enough [01:03] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:03] that's the first time i've ever seen anyone blame google for asking bad questions [01:03] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:04] Off topic: Today at work I got two retarded emails today. So I have a citrix server so that my users can remote in. I block the internet except a few sites that can only be access going out our own internet. I sent out an email to everyone letting them know about Verizon and how they are going to sell your info unless you opt out. I had two people that only work from home and know that there is no internet on citrix email [01:04] Action: agentc0re end rant. [01:04] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] Cotowar: Don't make us break out http://lmgtfy.com on you. :P [01:05] that's my favorite webpage. [01:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:06] Action: agentc0re goes to bed [01:06] nite all [01:07] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:07] roccity_ (n=roccity@ip-118-90-120-233.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:08] hey guys whats going om [01:08] on [01:09] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:11] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:11] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] after i install slackware, can I go back and remount the /home directory or other to another partition easily? [01:12] yes, very easy [01:12] ok.. btw i'm installing it on a 64gb ssd, with a 1Tb western digital HD [01:13] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:13] going to find out what color the smoke is [01:13] still 1's and 0's :) [01:13] as bender said, and then i saw a 2 somewhere in there [01:13] heh [01:13] Thanks for the reminder [01:14] Action: eviljames fires up Bender's Game [01:14] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [01:15] night all [01:15] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-202.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:22] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] I have been looking for a guide on removing services in slackware [01:24] Im just not sure which ones to remove [01:25] do I need mysql if Im running console apps? [01:25] roccity_: if you don't know you can't remvoe it [01:25] it's that simple. if you don't know what it does how can you know that you can remove it? [01:25] yeah thanks nullboy [01:26] i don't think mysql is running by default [01:26] yeha what I mean is you think I cna get rid of it to save space? [01:26] by default mysql requires a little setup [01:27] is there a way to recompile the whole system at once? like I read in gentoo and that? [01:27] roccity_, not easily. [01:27] sorry if its a dumb uestion [01:27] question [01:28] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:28] I have been using sbopkg since install so everything after that is optimized [01:28] muchonacho (n=epoch@adsl-99-24-249-190.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Hello! I am using Slackware 12 and was curious to know how I would go about disabling intel_agp and agpgart? Where is the hotplug blacklist located? [01:30] muchonacho, the modules would be loaded in your /etc/rc.d/rc.modules script at boot [01:30] search in there and comment it out if that's what you want [01:31] my problem is that I just installed the nvidia driver, and there's epic fail upon boot, yet my onboard intel works fine [01:31] ive disabled agp in that location already [01:31] to no avail [01:31] what kind of fail ? [01:31] what runlevel are you using ? [01:32] i just boot the machine, it goes through a series of startup processes then when it gets to the graphics part, when my nvidia is enabled in the bios, it spits out an ridiculous amount of hexadecimal [01:32] and the machine locks up [01:32] ive had this problem before [01:32] and it was solved by disabling intel_agp and agpgart [01:33] yet i can only find 'agp' in rc.modules [01:33] no sign of intel_agp anywhere on slack 12 [01:33] wow. my mouse pad scrolling is broken too [01:33] this is a total mess [01:33] Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" [01:33] ? [01:34] ...thank you for that [01:34] but not really [01:34] worth a shot [01:34] this is a fully configured system [01:34] ya think /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist might be what i need? [01:34] Action: muchonacho checking [01:35] no [01:35] you likely have the wrong xorg setup [01:35] me? [01:35] /etc/X11/xorg.conf muchonacho [01:35] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [01:35] all i did was upgrade from the last current to the latest current [01:35] would help if you looked at your xorg log [01:36] Soul_keeper: its not an X issue [01:36] i boot my computer up, and it hangs [01:36] ok try not rebooting [01:36] only when im using the nvidia though [01:36] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [01:36] im using my onboard intel gfx right now [01:36] ok then don't reboot [01:37] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:37] roccity_ (n=roccity@ip-118-90-120-233.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left ##slackware. [01:37] just find out what the issue is, then you can set it up to be all pretty [01:37] go to console, see if you can't modprobe nvidia [01:38] get out of X double check your xorg.conf [01:38] k [01:38] muchonacho (n=epoch@adsl-99-24-249-190.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:39] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] wonder if he even used the nvidia installer ... maybe some kinda package with 32bit instead of 64-bit stuff [01:40] I thought it was the same package for both. [01:40] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] i think the installer detects then copies over the right stuff, not too sure [01:41] well using the installer does do some degree of compiling [01:43] Nick change: dngr- -> dngr [01:45] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:47] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:51] nj4idflr [01:52] dern cat, sorry bout that [01:54] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.152.77.96) left ##slackware. [01:58] root__ (n=nukedclx@cbz195.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [02:00] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [02:01] hi, are the slackbuilds at http://gorgias.mine.nu/repos/slackBuild/ trustable? I'm mainly interested in getting ghci up and running [02:04] They appear to be just scripts, so you can check them yourself. [02:04] I'd trust slackbuilds.org myself. [02:05] The maintainers there test all the scripts submitted and make sure they work properly and keep the right directory structure. [02:05] how do i see if my mouse is working before i launch into xfce to find out I can't exit.. [02:05] it's a razor mouse [02:06] Quick Exit From X = Ctrl + Alt + Backspace [02:06] That kills X. [02:06] must have choked then, i tried the ctrl-alt-backspace [02:06] You could try using gpm, if it's installed. [02:06] Motoko-chan, I don't think haskell/ghci packages are available at SBo (I'll check again right now just to make sure, though) [02:06] gpm runs automatically on bootup [02:07] Motoko-chan, yes, they're not there [02:07] Well, just look the scripts over carefully. [02:07] eross: then you should be able to use the mouse in the console [02:07] Get the source from the source. [02:07] Not from that site. [02:08] i can move the mouse for a second then it freezes [02:08] ctl+alt+bckspc not working [02:10] eross: can you still tab around the X enviroment? [02:12] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:13] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:14] dont know, i just rebooted [02:16] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:17] ok the temp work around for my dell d620 vol -/+/mute buttons is to go into kmix, right click the master channel, choose configure shortcuts, set each action to the proper key by clicking the action, choosing custom, click the button to the right of 'custom' and then pressing the button you wish to use for the action. [02:17] i don't know why the keyboard layout doesn't work by default like it used to yet though [02:17] eross: by the looks of things, your mouse is fine, its X that is locking up on you [02:18] manually specifying the actions in kmix for the master channel should allow kmix to catch everything [02:19] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] nullboy, all I had to do to get the "media buttons" in my keyboard working was to set the keyboard type in KDE control module ("Keyboard model" in "Layout") [02:20] ... [02:20] yes yes, maybe not relevant to your situation, I'm just saying. :) [02:21] the proper layout isn't even working [02:21] the system sees the buttons, xev shows the correct codes but setting the dell keyboard layout for my model doesn't 'line up' everything the same way as 3.5.10 did [02:22] instead of the layout working for master channel it defaults to operating the PCM channel [02:23] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:23] ah, alright. I'm clueless there. I hope you get it working. [02:24] Khonnsu (n=apophis@S0106002312fd5ccc.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [02:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:26] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:26] nullboy, how's that kde going? [02:26] great no sound in FF [02:26] Old_Fogie: not good at all [02:26] oh what's going on? [02:26] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: "Leaving" [02:27] Action: Old_Fogie is living vicariously thru nullboy letting him experience pain before I do [02:27] sound is all messed up along with keyboard layouts [02:27] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [02:27] aha, I see [02:27] you're using en_us nullboy ? [02:28] i'm using the same kde key layout as i was in 3.5.10, dell latitude [02:29] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [02:30] now the mouse is working, I plugged it into the front of the machine instead of in the back [02:30] you're not using a new home directory? I thought you were supposed to move out the .kde from before [02:30] oh he left [02:30] Hi Old_Fogie. How are you doing? [02:31] firebird619, oh fairing well. and you? [02:31] I'm doing good. Thanks. [02:31] Old_Fogie: It's -23 F here with windchill. [02:32] oh my that's cold! [02:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:32] is it a good idea to create a user and log in with sudo access? [02:32] hey nullboy , did you move out your old ~/.kde ? [02:32] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-6.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:33] eross, what is "log in with sudo" mean? [02:33] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-176.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] Old_Fogie: i rm'd the whole thing [02:33] nullboy, ok [02:33] hmmm [02:34] means to not log in with root access [02:34] eross, well if you create a new "user" in "users" group, and then log in as that new "user" and then use the "su -" command to become root at a terminal in an X session, or at cli yes that's fine. [02:36] i have it sort of working now [02:36] with a lot of manual key shortcut configuring [02:37] eross, tho I've read some people say never login at a terminal window in X cuz a keylogger could be watching, but if I can't at least do that, I dont want linux get my drift [02:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [02:38] eross, I would also avoid running programs such as "gksu gedit" or "kdesu kedit" as I've seen _and_ experienced that sometimes them "*su" apps dont exit correctly, and next thing you know, you reboot your box one day, try and log back into at the login screen, and you're home got chowned/owned to root [02:41] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:41] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:42] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] does anyone know anything about debugging kde keyboard layouts? [02:43] i don't know jack about keyboard layouts [02:44] for now i'm good..my mute button at least lets me mute globally [02:45] which is especially important for those personal moments [02:45] yeah that drives me nuts if that dont work [02:48] i remember one time i was at work and someone had brought in a laptop for me to check out. i power it up and a divx cd started to autoplay and the volume was 100%...it was a pr0n0 and it was blasting from my area [02:48] hahah [02:48] all you heard was "ooohhhooooohhhh" [02:48] lol [02:49] I can only imagine the talk about you around the water cooler, and the odd looks you must've gotten for at least a week [02:49] ever since that episode i require a very easy way to mute everything ASAP [02:49] did you panic and turn it off, or did you say f*** it and wait for the "happy ending" ? [02:50] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [02:50] yeah right i pulled the battery [02:50] autoplay for the win! hahah. the scary thing is, he had that open up that way on default in his startup :) [02:50] yeah [02:51] it was a ravaged laptop though [02:51] i bet it was some malware making it do that [02:51] were the keys sticky ? [02:51] did you wash your hands before you ate lunch that day ... [02:51] isn't that a standard for pr0n0 laptops? [02:51] haha [02:51] So you obviously confiscated the DVD so that you could review it's contents in detail and *ensure* it didn't compromise the companies computers... off-site obviously back at the "nullboy laboratories, inc" building ? :) [02:52] haha [02:52] of course, we have a certain standard us IT people... [02:52] right? right. [02:52] yes, yes I'm sure :) [02:52] speaking of sticky keys on laptops, nullboy did you solve the key mapping thing? [02:52] eviljames: in a manually hackish way [02:53] plugged in various keyboards til' one got the results you wanted? (that's what I'd do) [02:53] well i guess if that button mess is the only issue i have with kde 4 it's going to be good [02:54] but really now, see this is why gnome should be back in Slackware, kde has too many options, and gnome just works. [02:54] Action: Old_Fogie hides [02:54] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [02:54] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] this is a really weird soundtrack for this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxPkHHreGLo [02:56] no flash on this box, too slow [02:56] darn [02:57] yeah, this box is pushing two video cards, two monitors, and about 10 apps, a test build all at once and it's on 866mhz :) [02:58] mornin [02:59] hidee ho [02:59] hey tewmten [02:59] Khonnsu (n=apophis@S0106002312fd5ccc.ed.shawcable.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:00] woh, what's this .net firefox extension in my windows over here. where did this come from. /me puts on the TFhat [03:00] MS pushed that [03:00] nice huh [03:00] /barf [03:01] it wont disable, or uninstall [03:01] where did it even come from? [03:01] I have auto updates off [03:01] http://www.robertnyman.com/2009/01/26/microsoft-force-installs-firefox-extension/ [03:01] TFhat exploit [03:02] and of course /. http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/01/2143218 [03:02] what does the extension do? [03:02] hacks the planet [03:02] or the gibson, either [03:02] for great justice? [03:03] la colonia [03:03] wow that's BS. they've not given anything new for xp in years...except this to 'extend' their market penetration. that's insane. [03:03] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:03] they have to make sure it's well pwned before they have to stop pushing updates at EOL time [03:03] I read the windows updates blurbs they have too on the site, I didnt see anythign about this. why firefox cant disable it tho...thats' another matter I'm angry with [03:07] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [03:14] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] every morning i wake up and hack the gibson [03:15] lol [03:16] important stuff in the garbage folder i need to save [03:16] >p [03:19] Action: Old_Fogie didn't know tewmten was sentimental that way :) [03:20] hm [03:20] brb, i get signal [03:20] oh mailbox over quota :( [03:20] lee555J5 (n=lee@68.113.105.106) joined ##slackware. [03:20] for great justice, take off every SPAM [03:21] what you say!! [03:21] ivan8013 (n=Ivan@190.148.239.41) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:21] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-170-181.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:22] you have no chance to archive, make your time. [03:22] ha ha ha ha .... [03:22] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:23] capone (i=capone@la-cosa-nostra.org) joined ##slackware. [03:23] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:24] http://xkcd.com/550/ [03:24] morning [03:24] great day today [03:24] nooper: omfg [03:24] lol [03:24] nooper: zomg! [03:24] :D [03:25] slackytude: Good morning. How are you? [03:25] Action: nooper rejects all post-aybabtu memes [03:25] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [03:25] I'm fine. ^-^ I managed to squeeze through my economics exam and I like my job these days [03:25] firebird619, how about you? [03:26] I'm good. Thanks. [03:26] nooper: that ia freaking hilarious [03:26] I remember economics class from high school. I hated it. [03:26] hehe [03:27] I hated it as well [03:27] and I was pretty certain I flunked it [03:28] so, Im really glad I made it. No more economics :D [03:28] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD89CCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [03:29] i failed economics [03:29] tewmten: thats to bad. :( [03:29] yeah its a shame [03:30] econ was ok, statistics and finance sucked [03:30] but whatever, my sister is really good at it and does it for a living so i just ask her for help if there's something i need to know =) [03:30] :) [03:38] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-170-181.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:38] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:46] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-136-74.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [03:46] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@85.217.253.176) joined ##slackware. [03:47] http://nopaste.org/p/amC4OTzSF [03:48] please help for install ATI X300 in slackware 12.0 [03:50] Rodrigo_Lopes (n=wiegraf7@201-92-231-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:50] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@85.217.253.176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] eross (n=jtanner@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [03:50] use the ati driver [03:51] and fglrx is dropping support for that card (i don't know if they did it already) [03:51] ...and you ran away [03:51] after 2 minutes at 4am!?!?! [03:52] nullboy, go to sleep [03:52] damn it [03:52] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] edman007, yeah, somewhere between slack 12.1/12.2 and august thru nov I started having issues. some version work on one, not the other. ati...ugh dont get me started. [03:55] Action: edman007 is using radeonhd [03:55] no problems here, just lack of 3d.. [03:55] I wont buy ati ever again. the fact they're not even maintaining stuff you buy at retail, not even a month ago...for XP support too none the less.. I'm so done with them. [03:55] though i'm going to try fglrx in a few days.. [03:55] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [03:56] Nick change: esom -> Guest98856 [03:56] Old_Fogie, they released the specs, the open source driver will have full 3d in a few months [03:56] U-Neeks_ (i=555@201-24-53-11.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:56] I'll drop 20 pounds, and quit smoking and win the olympics :) [03:57] Old_Fogie, did you just wake up? [03:57] me? nah [03:57] been up all night, workin [03:57] oh, because i thought old people are suppose to go to bed at 6pm or something so they can wake up at 4-5am and annoy normal people who need sleeps [03:57] Action: edman007 ducks [03:58] haha [03:58] oh I get naps around 6pm..but never sleep til' past 10/11'ish. then up again, grab a nap around 5 am or so for an hour [03:59] lol [03:59] life's too short, don't wanna miss nuthin [03:59] thats why you drive 35mph on the highway right? [03:59] but the ati stuff, I wont see dri better on foss no time soon for my cards. not the r300, or r350's I really doubt it. [04:00] Action: edman007 has a 3870 [04:00] r6xx i think [04:00] foss has specs for my intels, and they cant get 24bit dri on the i810 driver, so yeah, the code for them will die :( [04:01] tho, linux running at 16 bit color is *way* better looking that windows at 24 bit imo. [04:01] wait...what? [04:01] but, it's the principle is my complaint [04:01] i got plenty of computers with a gma950 and they are pretty good at 3d [04:02] just a bit slow... [04:02] gma is still newer than my intel cards, that are literally "i810" chips [04:02] the gm... just uses the i8 driver, but they're not i8 chips [04:02] true i8 chips, which foss has cant do 24bit color like it can in windows [04:03] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:04] ...maybe if you used a computer that was not created during the Jurassic period you would have less problems [04:04] lol [04:05] yeah that's the excuse that dev's have when they dont want to use the doc's they bitch and complain for then never do :) /me thinks of gatos project, who was *given* spec's and refrecne video cards and did _nothing_ with [04:05] Old_Fogie, do you know how long it takes to compile stuff with a computer that old?!? [04:05] I'm just totally disgusted really with linux/foss and video cards, the pita that wifi is I can live with, but video cards and linux are a pita. [04:06] edman007, the intel driver, takes about 10 minutes on this to build [04:06] my biggest pita is printing and sound [04:06] buy them something with quad-sli and 64 CPUs and that thing will run crysis in wine in under a week [04:06] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:06] (not even including my multimedia buttons either) [04:07] alkos333 (n=me@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:08] U-Neeks (i=555@201-34-193-173.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:08] edman007, while I dont argue the fact that if I have new stuff it may/might work. the fact that pisses me off is the freetards, that say "give us the code, we can do better, old hardware won't die.." then the get the spec's and do nothing with it. and I ain't saying this based on just one video card, and makeing a general statement. foss has abandoned tdfx, vood, i810, r300/r350 to name a few. [04:08] Old_Fogie, well how many patches have you submitted? [04:08] nullboy, yeah multiemedia keys' is a pita, but again, I can live with that. the video is a bid deal in my book. [04:09] edman007, so I have to submit patches to have an opinion on how shitty linux video support is? :) [04:09] yes [04:09] oh, I didnt' get the memo [04:10] edman007, I think it's freakin retarded you have a nice pooter, and no dri and it's recent hardware.that's just unacceptable in my book. [04:10] i got sucky internet too [04:10] my cable been acting uup lately really bad fwiw [04:10] and i'm going to try and work on the project if i have to [04:10] cable net [04:11] edman007, oh I've gone back to windows now on my ati boxes. I'm just sick of it, no joke. I freenx over to a slack box now. I cant deal with the video card bs no more. Change a kernel , lose dri, what have you. [04:12] I hope I eat my words someday, no joke I really do, but right now, dri/ati/intel on linux looking really bleak. [04:13] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@85.217.253.176) joined ##slackware. [04:14] Old_Fogie: ati and linux is nothing but a pain in the ass, i recently purchased a 4850 and have had huge troubles trying to get the fglrx driver working for dual screening [04:14] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:15] http://nopaste.org/p/anfkUgaxe [04:15] frullet, you can say that again. and if you get it working, well then you get no dri on one of the screens too. the madness just never stops. there's no glory in hacking a line in xorg.conf after hours of googling, and the zapping X and logging in again to see if it fixed it or not. [04:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [04:15] how install it [04:15] please help [04:17] Old_Fogie: exactly, im kicking myself for buying it, should of just stuck with nvidia but the price was to good to pass up [04:18] I use Radeon [04:21] ... [04:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] kde is set to 'do nothing' when i close the lid...but it still puts my laptop to sleep... [04:25] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:25] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [04:26] http://nopaste.org/p/anfkUgaxe [04:26] please help [04:27] hi ROKO__ ..whats your question?? [04:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:30] http://nopaste.org/p/anfkUgaxe [04:30] see log [04:31] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. 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[04:58] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h179n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:58] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [04:59] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] kleanchap, uninstall the Skype addon. [05:00] Or otherwise disable it. [05:00] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:01] ccfreak2k: I did that and it worked. Thnx! [05:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:06] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [05:08] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. 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O_O [05:58] Action: slackytude checks [05:59] nooper, it's ok :) [05:59] but I'm too tired to play correctly [06:03] slackytude: AdultSwim ftw [06:03] Sealab 2021! [06:04] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [06:05] aye! [06:06] ping OldFogie [06:07] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [06:11] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:11] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:12] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [06:13] what is the best tv viewing software for an input of cable? [06:14] you can make a pvr setup with mythtv [06:14] mythtv? [06:14] yes, it is a program [06:14] yes [06:14] i already have one installed [06:15] i don't recall the command [06:15] lol [06:15] you can schedule, record, playback, pause, skip commercials automatically [06:15] oh you want to just simply watch live tv? [06:15] no [06:15] my webcam [06:16] i am running it off of input from a tv input card [06:16] ati card [06:16] mplayer can work [06:16] ati all in wonder or what not [06:16] see [06:17] ty for the advice though it will no workie [06:17] thank you again [06:17] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:18] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:20] did you try some command similar to this: mplayer -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0 tv://5 [06:20] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@gualtiero.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [06:20] thank you tank-man [06:20] though no [06:20] there is a certain program i have installed [06:20] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:20] the wrong input is selected for my camera [06:20] so there is no picture [06:20] you can type history and see what you typed before [06:21] hmm [06:21] thing [06:21] is there is a beautiful gifl on the other end who is getting sleeping [06:21] so i must type to her [06:21] internet gf's arnt real gf's [06:22] no they are not [06:22] though [06:23] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:23] was the program a instant messenger program? [06:23] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:23] kepote, skype, pidgin [06:24] no [06:24] it's call mytv [06:24] or something of the sort [06:26] xawtv, kwintv [06:30] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:52] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:02] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] let's reboot onto a real OS :) [07:05] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) joined ##slackware. [07:05] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [07:05] Camarade_Tux, what's a real OS for you? :) [07:06] fail [07:06] linux duh [07:06] is there anything else? :) [07:06] unix:P [07:07] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:07] (&(unix)(!solaris)(!hp-ux)) [07:07] i recently read the unix haters handbook and have to admit i was quite impressed. [07:08] they make some good points there actually. [07:08] (most of it is just rant thouth) [07:08] [TWR] (n=twr@216.80-202-241.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [07:10] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [07:10] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:12] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [07:18] Shuren (n=Devilman@host150-124-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:18] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-073587c414d749bc) joined ##slackware. [07:18] slava_dp, good points such as? [07:19] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:20] hiptobecubic, some of them :) about the general clumsiness of the system compared to others. [07:20] clumsiness? [07:20] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) joined ##slackware. [07:20] unix haters handbook? is that online? [07:21] hiptobecubic, about the lack of os structure planning too [07:21] ah, well that one perhaps i can see [07:21] slackytude, web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf [07:25] Shuren (n=Devilman@host150-124-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:25] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:26] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:32] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:49] nix_chix (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] slackytude (i=10029@p4FD88BE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:53] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [07:54] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:55] slava_dp, i'm on page 58 and all i see so far are some angry old men complaining about systems that have been out of date for years [07:55] systems that have been out of date for years = Unix :) [07:56] U-Neeks- (i=555@201-24-12-193.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:58] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A64B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Zordrak, sure :D but even unix has an old and a new [08:00] ag3ntugl1 (n=x@doc-24-32-9-104.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] i'm off. night all [08:00] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [08:02] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:06] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.17) joined ##slackware. [08:09] U-Neeks_ (i=555@201-24-53-11.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] how do i access the trash from a shell? [08:10] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-200-201-93.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:11] lol omg [08:11] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:11] vinnie_: ask kde people [08:12] ? 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[08:34] hey guys [08:34] I got a problem, my slackware won't boot into the GUI login. is there a way to make it start into safe mode or with a prompt so I can fix this? [08:34] I don't wanna re-install again [08:35] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A64B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:35] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A449.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:35] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [08:36] tr0nd: startx [08:36] you don't udnerstand [08:36] i have it to boot into runlevel 4 [08:36] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] oh [08:36] I don't get a prompt [08:36] tr0nd: add " 3" to the lilo command you use to start Slackware [08:37] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Connection timed out [08:37] alienBOB, yeah, but I need to have a prompt to do that [08:37] No [08:37] A LILO prompt is what you type that at [08:37] Like, if usually you type "linux" to boot Slackware into runlevel 4, then this time you would type "linux 3" [08:38] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:38] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:38] tr0nd: "safe mode" is a Windows term. Slackware does not do "safe mode" [08:38] alienBOB, yeah I figured, it was just the closest term I could think of [08:40] is runlevel 4 broken in slackware? [08:40] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] tanks alienBOB for helping me out [08:42] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [08:43] tr0nd: of course "runlevel 4 is not broken in Slackware" [08:43] Likely, you broke it yourself [08:43] dunno what I did then [08:44] What did you do to make it not start X? [08:44] Upgraded some Slackware packages? [08:44] edited inittab [08:44] oh well [08:44] from default runlevel 3 to 4 [08:44] Did "startx" give you a working X before then tr0nd? [08:45] yeah [08:45] and I've used runlevel 4 for like a week and a half [08:46] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:48] what happens when runlevel 4 fails? [08:48] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] can you push ctl + alt + f2 and get to another tty ?' [08:49] thrice`: isnt the default to only spawn num 6 in level 4? [08:49] although i always change to spamn for 2-6 [08:51] any german natives about? :) [08:52] tr0nd: press ctrl+alt+f6 [08:52] Kharec (n=kharec@88-123-54-79.rev.libertysurf.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] oh. sorry, didn't see Zordrak's response [08:52] Kharec (n=kharec@88-123-54-79.rev.libertysurf.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:53] some one tale me a good app for mp3 converter...!!! [08:53] and yes, it's only 6 in def... and i too change the c1-c5 to also run in 4 [08:53] hey, anyone using rworkman's xfce4.6 package? [08:53] my xfce-mixer icon just disappeard :/ [08:53] the_edge (n=fred@132.210.214.255) joined ##slackware. [08:54] the_edge (n=fred@132.210.214.255) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [08:54] the_edge (n=fred@132.210.214.255) joined ##slackware. [08:54] the_edge (n=fred@132.210.214.255) left irc: Client Quit [08:55] sQuEE: only that icon? Or more icons? [08:55] alienBOB, also the xfce power manager icon [08:55] You used xfce 4.4 before 4.6.0 on that machine? [08:56] yes, and i did a upgradepkg with rworkman's tgz [08:56] I wrote down what is going wrong there : http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/icons-disappear-in-xfce-460/ [08:56] I think rworkman found out later that one of the KDE packages is messing up the icons [08:57] omg thankyou so much alienBOB! :D [08:57] koskela (i=koskela@xob.kapsi.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Nick change: koskela -> Miika [08:57] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [08:57] hello [08:57] bob_slacker (n=root@189.27.17.113.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@189.27.17.*.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:57] bob_slacker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: vncsnvs, if you keep it up, you'll get your entire ISP blocked. I'm sure that will land you on a "favorite" list. [08:58] alienBOB: good writeup on that. I wish I'd know you had it - it would have saved me quite a bit of typing last night on LQ. [08:58] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A449.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:58] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8A3BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:59] hm... I have never used slackware and wanted to know why to choose slackware over other distros? [09:00] alienBOB: I've never had a .xfce4, honestly. [09:00] Miika: just choose it, install it, run it. Then you know [09:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] rworkman: subscribe to my blog's RSS feed ;-) [09:02] :) [09:03] heh [09:03] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [09:03] guys, i need localpurge i cant find it on the web [09:03] i've installed all kdei [09:03] Miika: just install Slackware, use it for a week or so and then decide for yourself [09:04] Miika: most people don't advocate Slackware in the way users of other distributions do; if you enjoy using it, keep it. That's usually about as good as it gets :) [09:04] tr0nd (n=mathias@h236n2c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:06] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [09:06] spiki: do u know where can i find localpurge on web? :) [09:07] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Miika: oh and if you do install it, install all packages. it'll make it easier. [09:11] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Miika (i=koskela@xob.kapsi.fi) left ##slackware. 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[09:24] let's say I want to use GPUs for computations, is there a lib that can work for both nvidia and ati/amd gpus ? [09:24] I dont think so..they are different architectures [09:26] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:32] maybe something providing a common interface to two different libs ? =/ [09:37] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:38] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] encoded_ (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) joined ##slackware. [09:39] encoded (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[10:45] pupit: it's localepurge [10:46] duryodhan: they have a java tool for that i think [10:49] thanks! [10:51] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [10:57] duryodhan: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Main_Page [10:58] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@189.27.17.*.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br expired. [10:58] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@189.27.17.*.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:59] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] alkos333 (n=me@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [10:59] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.146) joined ##slackware. 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[11:19] encoded (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:19] Nick change: encoded_ -> encoded [11:21] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.36) joined ##slackware. [11:21] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.36) joined ##slackware. [11:21] i'm looking for a second distro... something to sit on another partition [11:22] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.36) left irc: Client Quit [11:23] dionysian: Arch Linux? [11:23] arch [11:23] Gentoo [11:23] Boo [11:24] Arch is gentoo without -having- to compile everything [11:24] i had a bad experience with gentoo [11:24] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:24] Such as? [11:24] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Gentoo is just an exercise is annoyance.. [11:24] I hated it. [11:24] you can easily with PKGBUILDs recompile all of arch. but..why would you? [11:24] I rather like it [11:24] Although as a server distro I can see it's value. [11:24] gentoo didn't work [11:24] Gentoo works everywhere I put it [11:25] resulted in a system that wouldn't boot [11:25] kernel panic or something [11:25] straterra, arch works everywhere i put it without the 3 days of compiling. :) [11:25] that was years ago [11:25] 8 years ago? maybe 7 [11:25] I don't have to compile for three days [11:25] three days of compiling? [11:25] straterra, amd64 3000+, xfce, firefox, thunderbird, etc etc. binary apparently is evil. [11:26] second distro next to slack, hmmmm, slamd64 ? :D [11:26] can you install gentoo from a usb key? [11:26] dionysian: yes [11:26] seriously though. why recompile everthing? [11:27] I don't recompile everything [11:27] I rarely recompile [11:27] dionysian: You probably had ACPI on [11:27] ACPI makes some systems kernel panic (especially if you did it "years ago" [11:27] well i don't know [11:28] Gentoo worked for me - but I did not like it [11:29] I prefer Arch to Gentoo - binaries and I can build from ABS when I see the need to compile "from source" to get some extra option of something that is not built with the binary package et [11:30] arch is very shady. they tend to push out updates extremely quickly, and fix stuff later on [11:31] and also release packages (read, KDE) well before publically available, and break gpl [11:31] root__ (n=nukedclx@afgl106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:31] i doubt they break GPL, but otherwise they are a bit...haphazard on package building [11:32] sure, they pushed 4.2.1 packages for KDE a week before it's public release [11:32] i have to recompile a few things because their deps are retarded to say the least. [11:33] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [11:37] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@cbz195.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:38] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:38] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:38] thrice`: how does that break gpl? [11:38] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] the kde repositories are open to all.. [11:39] how does releasing something early break gpl? o_O [11:43] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:43] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:43] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:46] It's less an issue of GPL and more an issue of honesty. [11:46] If Upstream (KDE) wanted to push 4.2.1 that early, then tehy would. [11:47] If Arch tagged it "4.2.1.pre" it would be another matter entirely. [11:47] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:47] anyone know a way to retrieve the day I've reinstalled my computer ? [11:48] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:48] ls -l /var/log/packages/aaa_elflibs* ? [11:48] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left ##slackware. [11:49] That shoudl be pretty effective, I would think. [11:49] nope that gives modification time [11:49] we need creation time [11:49] I should think in this case that modification time would BE creation time. [11:49] Unless he's upgrading aaa_elflibs, which is a no-no. [11:49] nay. the modification time is when patrick modified it [11:49] it probably works actually [11:50] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Ah, okay. [11:50] but these files seem to be created at install, they all have nearly the same creation time ;) [11:52] there you go --> ls -lc /etc/slackware-version [11:52] Ah, okay. [11:52] LSD`: releasing packages before the sourcecode is made public is violating trust. The KDE sourcecode is made available to packagers about a week before the official release, that is how we are able to provide packages very fast when the sources go public [11:53] I tried slamd64-version but was not sure the date was ok, it is too :) [11:54] Camarade_Tux, please clarify, i didn't get that :) [11:54] alienBOB, btw, is xserver-1.6 being tested for inclusion in slackare ? [11:55] slava_dp, *both* the creation date of /etc/slackware-version and /var/log/packages/* reflect the date you installed slackware, so both are valid methods to determine when you installed [11:55] Camarade_Tux: xorg-server 1.6 is a disaster from what I heard in the team discussions [11:56] Camarade_Tux, oh, yes, of course. :) [11:57] alienBOB, ouch =/ [11:58] alienBOB: xorg-server 1.5 is a disaster as well [11:58] 1.5 is ok [11:58] hackedhead_ (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [11:58] not on my machine it's annoying seeing my video card bios each time I startx [11:58] that's really annoying because nouveau now requires xorg-server >= 1.5, a friend of mine can't have dual display with 1.4 on his ati card [11:59] along with getting spammed with Xlib warnings but that's just due to xorg-server 1.5 does not have a certain feature where 1.6 does [11:59] though, the 1.5 I used is gentoo, which has 64 (iirc) back-ported patches to work properly [11:59] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [12:00] kitche: arch linux? :) [12:00] thrice`: no it's FreeBSD [12:00] xorg-server 1.5 is missing a feature guess gentoo is mutes those warnings :) [12:00] or, freebsd sucks at picking deps [12:01] Because muting a warning is far superior to fixing the underlying problem. [12:01] gentoo's xorg dev is actually really good, so who knows [12:02] it's not a problem [12:02] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [12:02] xorg-server 1.5 does not have that feature xorg-server 1.6 does [12:02] the X.org team even said to ignore those warnings [12:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [12:04] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [12:04] please, can anybody give mi a hand with installation of virtualbox from slackbuilds ? I installed the dependencies and now I don't know what is the next step, virtualbox-ose or virtualbox-kernel ? [12:06] you'll need both. [12:06] so .. roll a dice or something :) [12:07] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:08] U-Neeks- (i=555@201-24-12-193.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:09] BP{k}, dude this is not fun, people may die here [12:09] boy, it sure takes them a while to get around to accepting slackbuild submissions, huh? [12:09] I'm waiting on deltageek. I've always wondered what the difference between a geek and a nerd was. [12:09] ack, wrong channel [12:09] I'm stuck on an escalator. I know I could probably just take a step and go on up, but I want to ask someone first. [12:09] there, right channel. [12:09] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:161) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:09] U-Neeks- (i=555@201-24-55-42.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:10] cuba: Well if people die because they can't follow simple instructions, I guess that Darwin was right, survival of the fittest, still applies. [12:10] dionysian: yes, it does. Oddly enough, all of the SBo admins are doing it for free, and most of us are heavily involved in other projects. [12:10] rworkman: are you one of them? [12:10] yes [12:10] ok [12:10] dionysian: I am another of "them". [12:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@222.105.16.242) joined ##slackware. [12:11] We've got a very competent (dare I say outstanding) group of admins, but time waits for noone. [12:11] cool [12:11] "You're number six" [12:11] aren't nerds more science/tech/knowledge-obsessed while an essential component of the geek is game ? [12:11] nille_ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:11] BP{k}, if there were any instruction I wouldn't ask for help here...there isn't even any note about the .run installer [12:11] fully encrypted disk rocks [12:11] any idea when you're going to look at angband? :D [12:12] Camarade_Tux: that was actually a joke from another channel :) [12:12] dionysian: no idea; sorry. alienBOB and I have been quite busy with Slackware lately; the other guys are doing a hell of a job just keeping their heads above water. [12:12] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:12] dionysian: "tomorrow" ;) [12:13] BP{k}, the last lines of both these packages end with note that you need ose before kernel and kernel before ose....so :) [12:13] BP{k}: "in two weeks" [12:13] dionysian: you've seen this, right? http://slackbuilds.org/pending/ [12:13] :( [12:13] rworkman: right, i have [12:13] cuba: I am terribly sorry: obviously "This requires acpica, and the virtualbox-kernel package is needed at runtime." seems to *me* that is pretty clear. [12:13] cuba: no, it doesn't say that. [12:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-c77a82dd41daa6db) left irc: [12:14] rworkman, he, I meant to really ask that question, I've never been sure about the difference ;p [12:14] Camarade_Tux: hehe [12:14] Well, afk for a bit. [12:15] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:17] theoffset (n=ismael@201-167-98-234-cable.cybercable.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [12:17] Spiko_ (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Odhajam" [12:18] BP{k}, and what about the virtualbox run installer ? [12:19] well, gotta go, I told somebody who had a failing (only system) hard drive die in his laptop I would let him play on mine, I'm too nice [12:20] which run-installer. [12:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:20] Spiko (n=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] cuba: the slackbuild provided at SBo doesn't use the .run installer so frankly I couldn't care less. Vbox as provided by SBo and made by pprkut JPFW. [12:21] neant (n=neant@dsl-154-128.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:21] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] Spiko (n=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:22] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] Spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [12:24] deplorable (n=noneofyo@dial-107.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] ryht|afk (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:25] ryht|afk (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [12:25] If you want to use the .run installer... you need to run it. [12:26] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [12:26] That's why the extension is .run. [12:26] Hello everyone. I have a quick question. I've been downloading Slackware packages on a NTFS XP system and moving them to my ext3 Slack for installation, but I've been getting "...package corrupt..." messages. Is this to be expected when moving packages from NTFS to Linux? [12:27] deplorable, when windows touches data, data wilts and dies a horrible death. [12:27] just think of all windows systems as the bubonic plague, and you'll do just fine. [12:27] windows has the inverse of the midas touch. everything it touches turns to shit. [12:28] I have dial-up at home so I used my XP laptop on the library Wi-Fi for the larger downloads. Your saying, that's not going to work; if I want the packages to work, I have download them directly to ext3? [12:28] deplorable: no need for that [12:28] deplorable, we are actually just being dicks. [12:29] Downloading the packages and putting them on ntfs will work fine [12:29] deplorable: just fix the permisions [12:29] I'd check the md5's though [12:29] Alright. I just wanted to see if continuing to work on this issue would be a waste of time. I'll keep working on it and check the md5s again. [12:30] deplorable: i'm not shure because i don't use ntfs (or windows) but there should be no reason to download it all again [12:30] Thanks everyone. [12:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) joined ##slackware. [12:31] I'm trying to ditch Windows. I just don't have time to do a driver hunt for a Linux laptop right now. [12:31] what ntfs driver are you using on linux though? [12:31] deplorable: http://linux-laptop.net/ [12:31] these days we have stable read/write support for ntfs through ntfs-3g. [12:31] botz (n=botz@nv-67-76-70-5.sta.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:32] you should be using that. [12:32] I haven't started switching drivers on my desktop yet. I'm just using the defaults. I'll start working on my ATI drivers tonight. [12:32] and i don't see why it would be corrupted. [12:32] deplorable: locate your model... basically any info you find there will help you setting it up for slackware [12:32] spiki Thanks for the link. [12:33] Yep. And personally, I've had very few problems sorting out drivers on laptops the past year and a half or so. [12:33] ntfs-3g is a file system offered with Slack? [12:33] deplorable: if there is anything special you need to do (sometimes there are issues with webcam, wifi, sound and suspend but that shouldn't stop you) [12:33] i'm not sure how many distros offer it out of the box.. [12:33] it's an independent project [12:33] I've never tried putting Linux on a laptop so all I know is the horror stories about dial-up modem drivers I've heard. [12:33] not sure if it's in slack. [12:33] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.199.187) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Dial-up modems can be a mess, yes. [12:33] but regardless, it *is* what you should be using to read/write ntfs filesystems in linux. [12:34] deplorable: yes (about ntfs-3g) [12:34] But, the one time I've attempted it, I ended up being able to get it going (and this was back in my Slax days.) [12:34] was there been a point before, wherein slackware installation compiled stuff during install (just like gentoo does today) ? [12:34] No [12:34] tsolox: never [12:34] NEVAR [12:34] deplorable: the modem thing is because laptops practically *always* use 'winmodems', or 'softmodems' [12:34] ...Sorry, got excited. [12:34] but you can do it, since the DVD has the sources..if you want.. [12:34] And usually we say "HI" when we enter a channel before asking questions [12:35] deplorable: there were issues with "winmodems".... but afaik "any" modem should work [12:35] deplorable, do what I have done for dialup. grab and old box, a wifi router, and a hardware modem (i happen to have all lieing around) and setup IPcop. [12:35] tsolox: I do not see the point [12:35] deplorable: What laptop, out of curiosity? [12:35] where 'winmodem' == 'bad soundcard with a phone line plug' [12:35] Hehe [12:35] deplorable: http://linmodems.org check that site [12:35] s/plug/socket/ [12:35] Dell Latitude C640 [12:35] deplorable, you then have a linux router doing the dialup for all of your house. [12:35] Action: TwinReverb uninstalls winmodems [12:35] deplorable: you can download check script... it will tell you what you need to do [12:35] you just get on wifi like you would any other connection. [12:35] A Latitude puts you on the right foot starting out. [12:35] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.199.187) left ##slackware. [12:35] I've got an external USR DataFax for my desktop. The PCI modems are winmodems. [12:35] makes no sense why you'd need a modem when there's wireless hotspots and ethernet [12:36] the exception is some PCMCIA modems in the old days. i have this xircom one that is actually a pcmcia serial modem, hehe, it's pretty badass. [12:36] I only have dial-up at home. [12:36] yeah, because wireless hotspots and ethernet are ubiquitous, right? [12:36] AC97 modem... alright... [12:36] deplorable, same boat amigo. Sucks. [12:36] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [12:36] john carmack said once that 'winmodems' could actually be better than a hardware serial modem, if the drivers were developed properly. [12:36] we get 31kbits/s connection on good days. [12:37] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] since modern pc's are faster than the chipset on hardware modems. [12:37] http://idefix.net/~koos/dell-c640.html#winmodem [12:37] It's not so bad for me. Most sites I visit are largely text. I'm not a YouTube or NetFlix fan. [12:37] well like i said, you can go some place and get wireless, even go wardriving [12:37] and that for gaming it could improve performance to use a winmodem. [12:37] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.130) joined ##slackware. [12:37] eh? [12:37] I get 50.4 consistently. [12:38] TwinReverb. Small town. Nowhere left to wardrive. I've got the whole city mapped. lol [12:38] 2.4... well, that's ancient, but 2.6 generally has better hardware support these days anyway. [12:38] oh, another interesting detail about laptops, is that sometimes the winmodem and the sound card are sort of shared. the drivers will present it as two separate devices in the OS. [12:38] Plus, there's a coffee shop on every corner. [12:39] deplorable, I sent an email to the head of time warner engineering in columbus to talk about hooking up a cable to a 3x3 wood box. I have 2 directTV dishes, 20 foot of 3/4" poles, 2 WRT54gs and some copper wire for the biquad feeds. [12:39] I want to set up a 700m point 2 point link from where cable service ends at the end of one road, down my road to my house.] [12:39] There is actually a lot of info on setting up Linux on a c640 out there. You're in luck. [12:40] Someone is at my door. Back in a minute. [12:41] The FCC [12:41] It's the windows "agents", they know you're trying to install Linux. [12:41] It's the fellas at the freakin FCC [12:41] [12:42] http://freeunix.dyndns.org:8000/site2/howto/DellC640.shtml <-- Doesn't talk about the modem, but it's at least reasonably modern Slackware. [12:42] http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html <-- The modem driver [12:43] hackedhead_ (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [12:44] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [12:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:45] zomg its straterra! [12:45] deplorable, then go one of those places :P [12:45] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [12:45] TECKY! [12:45] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:45] Action: straterra pouncerapes [12:45] lol [12:46] long time no see man [12:46] how's stuff ? [12:46] No shit..whats new? [12:46] not much [12:46] stuff is good..enjoying a tenderloin atm [12:46] wife made me play wow :P [12:46] Oh lord [12:46] god damn! [12:46] We need to have an intervision [12:46] i want a steak! [12:46] err, intervention [12:46] ya seriously [12:46] its all good though now [12:46] i gonna be around more :P [12:46] hooray [12:46] Why is that? [12:47] well ... every night but wed, she's got me doin the date night thing [12:47] we quit wow ? [12:47] Oh..ok [12:47] dates every night? [12:47] quit WoW; play ET [12:47] it just got to be too much time and energy invested in the game [12:47] omg dom [12:47] oooh..every night but wednesday [12:47] addictive, but not "i need a fix NOW!" addictive [12:47] /supprisebuttsecksomgzomgwowzors [12:47] heh [12:47] tecky: buy CS:S and come cheat with me..its AMAZINGLY fun when they get all mas [12:47] mad^ [12:48] lol [12:48] "OMG HE WALLZ!!!11!!" [12:48] strat, perhaps [12:48] Why yes..yes I do [12:48] CS:S is $20 [12:48] lol [12:48] work in linux? [12:48] Under wine..I dunno if the hacks do though [12:48] i haven't followed much of anything [12:48] you play in windows? [12:48] ugh [12:48] Windows is the only platform to game on :O [12:48] mmm [12:48] lame! [12:48] I play in a league that has a windows only client..so.. [12:49] no it's not, you can game on mac, linux, and even on consoles [12:49] I dont wanna be kicked out because wine doesnt support some weird directx api [12:49] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [12:49] ... [12:49] dom, just a fyi, ever since your site took a shit, i've never had nicoles site back online n fully functional [12:49] :\ [12:49] Action: jkwood bonks straterra [12:49] gaming is amusement, which the root words for that word in latin mean "to not think" :P [12:49] Whaaaat? [12:49] tecky: well Imoved to a VPS now [12:49] dom: and your going to host muh sites you fucker! [12:49] NOW! [12:49] I think while gaming [12:49] tecky: and it turns out the DDoS was hitting sekurity.net [12:50] which I no longer host [12:50] good so you can host nicoles site :O [12:50] heh [12:50] /happydance [12:50] We'll see.. I haven't been hosting much of anything [12:50] ight ... she's got me goin out and stuffs [12:50] i gotta get running [12:50] If not, I'll host it [12:50] later [12:50] you 2 gonna be on later ? [12:50] Alrighty..later [12:50] Yup [12:50] I'm always on [12:50] or you fuckers get lazy and go to bed early [12:50] ight [12:51] i'll be back later [12:51] strat: i'll get CS:S and we'll go pwn some newbs [12:51] hell yes [12:51] ET [12:51] :P [12:51] dom: i'll get ET too :X [12:51] ET is free [12:51] :) [12:51] lame [12:51] whichis why I play it [12:51] free games are lame [12:51] Wine supports weird DirectX APIs. [12:51] :| [12:51] >.> [12:51] haha nope [12:51] ight [12:51] i'm out [12:51] peace! [12:51] peace [12:52] I fully expect Wine to eventually (say 5 years maybe?) reach a level where it can run nearly everything out of the box. [12:52] From maybe 5 years ago, yes [12:52] Perhaps even crap that the "latest" windows OS of the time won't run. [12:53] straterra: nah. [12:53] Wine hasn't even caught up with dx9 [12:53] It would be nice if they would stop breaking compatibility with new code. [12:53] and dx 10 is out [12:53] how much do you think has really changed in win32 between windows 95 and windows vista (or win7 for that matter) [12:53] Uhm..a lot [12:54] Not nearly as much as you'd think. [12:54] I do win32 development [12:54] so? :| [12:54] I am a certified linux admin..I know what I'm talking about [12:54] hahahahaha [12:55] Action: straterra snickers [12:55] http://noobfarm.org/?id=267 [12:55] I wish I had an MCSE, then I'd be useful :( [12:55] Oh, SERIOUS BUSINESS. Sorry. [12:55] 13:50 I am a certified Linux Admin [12:55] eviljames: MCSE's are useless [12:55] heh [12:55] I have zero certifications. :) [12:55] just a college degree [12:55] and field experience [12:55] I do windows development too, but would never admit it in a public forum for risk of looking uncool. [12:55] Meh [12:55] its not uncool [12:56] if it doesn't involve opensource its uncool! [12:56] Dominian: I have the field experience, working on a math degree from what I consider to be a top university :D [12:56] Dominian: I feel I'm doing ok. [12:56] then why worry about an MCSE? [12:56] Dominian: fail. stallman would *never* say "opensource" [12:56] it expires a few years after you get it anyway [12:56] Dominian: But maybe if I had an MCSE I could get one of those cushy jobs supporting ms installations. [12:56] They don't have to do jack! [12:56] AzalynX: I was using footnotes [12:56] AzalynX: That's GNU/OPENSOURCE [12:57] duh [12:57] he he [12:57] maybe I'll relicense noobfarm as *my* license [12:57] so he can't be like.. "Its not Noobfarm! Its GNU/Nobfarm" [12:57] I remember that even in the win2000 and early XP days, you'd see applications that say "95/98/ME/NT/2K/XP" in terms of compatibility. [12:57] "And what do you do for a living?" "Harvest n00bs, you n00b" [12:57] There are open source projects on Windows. [12:57] AzalynX: I had someone put Windows Server 2003 on a resume.. before it was released... [12:57] AzalynX: yeah..thats because xp and 2000 are pretty much the same [12:58] So..if it works in 2k, it most likely worked in xp [12:58] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [12:58] a lot of the stuff that wine targets hasn't changed much since those days. although some new apis have been added, a lot of the hard shit like COM have been there from the start. [12:58] straterra: yeah but the big change between NT and 9x was the kernel... [12:58] And hence the API calls [12:58] things moved [12:58] from DOS to NT. And Win32 started development on NT you know.. [12:58] api calls changed and did different things [12:59] And they do with every release..even with service packs [12:59] next someone is going to say that Windows 7 is NOT Vista. [12:59] It's not. [12:59] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:59] hehe [12:59] Hence the name change, duh! [12:59] It isn't vista technically..but..it pretty much is [12:59] damn near same kernel..different ui [12:59] also, Win32 as i understand it, is a full abstraction layer to the kernel. applications in windows are not supposed to talk to the kernel. [12:59] technically means "whitepaper" [12:59] hehe [12:59] I'd actually consider using Windows 7 [12:59] is whitepaper what you wipe your butt with? [13:00] TwinReverb: yep [13:00] AzalynX: applications can talk to the kernel..just the kernel isn't like you would expect a Linux kernel to be [13:00] I have a shit load [13:00] It's not so..black and white [13:00] which raises the question of why the dos->nt thing was such a big deal.. as i understand, a lot of apps violated that 'rule'. [13:00] Dominian, you actually consider being gay, too? [13:00] [13:00] Gargantua: er.. what? [13:00] dos->nt was an issue because of things like direct memory accessing.. [13:00] win 7 -- does it still have all the same DRM bullshit as vista, including all the hardware nonsense that Gutmann talked about? [13:00] About using w7 [13:00] Nt has more inforced security for stuff like that [13:00] Nothing wrong with using Windows. [13:00] pays my bils [13:00] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: No route to host [13:01] i guess i should say, drm requirements for hardware vendows [13:01] straterra: the point though is that a lot of the hard shit in win32 is the same. when XP came out, that did *not* make Wine's codebase obsolete you know? [13:01] i guess i should also spell vendors correctly [13:01] I know..but graphic api's DO change [13:01] even within minor version releases [13:01] dx 10 to 10.1, for example [13:01] Xaviertoor (n=Xavierto@189-015-128-236.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:01] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] and wine will always be playing catch-up with it [13:02] they just adapted it. and you know, most applications back then still supported all the way back to windows 98, for years. hence wine didn't even have to hurry to catch up to the few new things in XP. [13:02] its impractical for wine to support every single api [13:02] they support most of the common ones used by games [13:02] I wish they wouldn't hurry to catch up. [13:02] Thats why most of the big name games work..but quite a few small ones dont [13:02] I wish they would hurry to fix crap. [13:02] as for DirectX, it's the exception to the rule. not the rule. [13:02] jkwood++ [13:03] jkwood: that's what they're doing now though. [13:03] well..I was talking specifically about DX in relation to Wine and gaming [13:03] jkwood: I wish game dev's would realize the capital on making a game cross platform. [13:03] boojit: If you think Windows is the only player embedding DRM you're messed in the head. [13:03] giuppy (n=giuppy@host66-39-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:03] boojit: Apple has put HDCP on their new models. [13:03] boojit: Along with ATI, any of their decent video cards will have HDCP. [13:03] agentc0re|work: More and more of then every day. [13:03] the '1.0' release signified that they had implemented most of the core functionality that 90 or 95 percent of windows apps usually make use of. [13:03] my Nvidia card has HDCP [13:04] Garbage! [13:04] the core APIs basically. and then they switched to bugfixing. [13:04] eviljames, did I say MS was the only player here? [13:04] straterra: imho, HDCP is worse than evil. [13:04] straterra: even directx is pretty well supported. the hard thing with DX9 was the D3D9 shader support. [13:04] boojit: oh, no not specifically, I could've easily read too far into your comment. I just wanted to gripe about other drm people :D [13:04] jkwood: Not the ones that you want to do it though. [13:05] D3D10 *is* being added to Wine already. and it will be far more trivial to implement it than it was to implement D3D9. [13:05] boojit: and give MS the benefit of the doubt. They're not around to make great software, they're around to make money. [13:05] jkwood: I am still so surprised blizzard hasn't released a linux WoW client. I don't play myself but i do know that it's very popular in linux. [13:05] agentc0re|work: That sounds like a lot of development effort to capture ~2% of the desktop market. [13:05] Really? Savage 2 has an x86_64 Linux client. ET and Uplink run on Linux. Savage 1 does as well, and FreedroidRPG (which you should all check out once 0.12 hits SBo). [13:06] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [13:06] D3D10 isn't that radical a departure as people think. It's basically a refactoring and cleaning up of the API, I guess to make it more consistent, and so on.. and they added a few things like geometry shaders. pretty trivial. [13:06] Granted, there are games I would like to see on Linux, but they're mostly ten year old Windows games. [13:06] OMGSHADERS [13:07] jkwood, same here, got some good games from zdnet in the early days [13:07] Personally, I view my computer as more of a productivity tool than a gaming rig. I have a Wii and a SNES for gaming. [13:07] can't find them for windows now [13:07] Wine's way of doing D3D is to implement all of the common functionality in the WineD3D backend (or engine), and then implement frontends to that 'engine' for the individual API versions. even DDraw is done through WineD3D [13:07] That methodology will make it pretty trivial to keep up with new D3D versions. [13:08] Well, the thing of it is, Blizzard can continue to work on new content (which, I assure you, is a lot of work), or they can port their client when the Windows one works perfectly underWine. [13:08] eviljames: Not really. They could hire just one guy to do it. Kind of like how UT3 is currently being made. Just one person is doing it, iccurus or whatever his name is. [13:08] jkwood: indeed. [13:08] agentc0re|work, yeah but linux client for UT3 is a long time coming [13:08] I can see where they're coming from, though I do agree that in a perfect world everyone would release truly cross-platform x86 stuff. [13:09] eviljames: I used to be a fan of consoles... but in the end they are just more of the same closed DRM'd platforms that are just about restricting people's rights. [13:09] dive: Ya i know. But mostly due to legal issues not development time. [13:09] I bet UT4 will be out before UT3 linux [13:09] novacrust (n=nnscript@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] AzalynX: See, they are something that I view a little differently than general purpose computing devices. [13:09] I tried for years to reconcile my love for Nintendo with my love for the Free Software philosophy/movement. [13:09] dive: Maybe. There was an update and some pic's of the clinic on his site a couple months ago. It's there and i think it'll be out in a month or two. [13:09] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.199.187) joined ##slackware. [13:09] neant (n=neant@dsl-154-128.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] The thing is, there aren't that many of us independent game devs that can take an entire game and port it over. [13:10] AzalynX: On grounds that they were specifically designed/engineered for single purpose (gaming), and the people working on them are not doing it for the advancement of society or human knowledge, it's all just for fun. [13:10] In the end I could not. It's like trying to reconcile a belief in god with science, in the end you have to give up. heh [13:10] eviljames: That has changed though. [13:10] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.199.187) left ##slackware. [13:10] Easy now. I've done quite well with that, thanks. [13:10] Game consoles are multipurpose now. [13:10] jkwood: I think there are more out there than you'd think. [13:10] AzalynX: Science is about the advancement of society, religion is about its detriment. [13:11] uh oh, hehe, did i start something? :O [13:11] AzalynX: the XBox, PS3 and Wii (as the top examples) were designed for purposes other than gaming? [13:11] eviljames: yes. [13:11] yeah [13:11] AzalynX: Note: I'm not asking about whether or not they are /used/ for purposes other than gaming. [13:11] media purposes too [13:11] Now come on. I don't troll my beliefs, can I ask the same of you? [13:11] Nintendo used to be an exception... [13:11] I still have much love for Nintendo, in spite of pokemen [13:11] ;) [13:12] And of course, the Wii is probably the one that is still more focused on gaming. [13:12] Oh, Pokemon., [13:12] if you had to pick one. [13:12] straterra: If the Wii was designed for media purposes, why doesn't it play dvds? [13:12] playstation3 and xbox360 are designed to be media gateways. the goal is to try and create a living room computer that can do it all. [13:13] It'll be interesting to see if we ever get off-brand Xboxes and PS3s. [13:13] eviljames: I meant the ps3/xbox [13:13] the wii is a pile [13:13] Similar to what's happened with the Nintendo. [13:13] I doubt it with xbox's.. [13:13] also, modern consoles actually are more like computers than ever before. they have operating systems now, notice the unified "menus" that can be accessed from within a game at any time. [13:13] they like you to register the serial of your console and such [13:13] although they do that with hypervisors now, still. [13:14] stupid question but is there a program for recording videos and taking pictures using a V4L USB capture device? i just need the name of the program [13:14] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: "Jobs ahead." [13:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@222.105.16.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:15] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:15] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Ok, I'll take a fresh approach, because I dislike DRM, but support the gaming industry. [13:15] heh [13:16] Well, if he had stuck around... [13:16] I wonder if the nick 'peer' is registered :> [13:16] my take on this is that we should have a unified gaming platform that can scale to working on a desktop PC, while also working on embedded PCs that can be sort of like mythtv boxes. only maybe with a more lightweight system, like uclinux/uclibc, etc [13:17] but then hilighting wold be going crazy [13:17] but the same game binary would run on a desktop PC, and on the living room embedded PC. [13:17] Well, there have been several forays into that with devices like the GP2X. [13:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:18] I'd hate to seee that happen, really. [13:18] Action: eviljames sides with jkwood there [13:18] yeah, but i'm thinking more like how the xbox (original xbox) was a PC, only take that and make it an open platform. [13:18] We'd either be looking at emulation or monopoly. [13:18] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-17-139-77.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:18] eh? [13:18] Competing platforms are a good thing. Could you imagine if we *only* had xbox? [13:19] you're both confusing things [13:19] or some sort of cross platform language [13:19] *today* is a monopoly. [13:19] the idea is to open the platform [13:19] the way the PC is open. [13:19] similar to the way java etc owrk [13:19] You're just moving teh monopoly. [13:19] no you're not. [13:19] that's like saying the IETF is a monopoly. [13:20] (or mainly, their open RFC standards) [13:20] or that OpenGL is a monopoly. [13:20] Technically, they are a monopoly, unlike today's gaming oligopoly. [13:20] (the ietf, that is) [13:20] anyone would be able to make a platform like this. [13:20] we have granted them the monopoly on standards in a way. [13:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@222.105.16.242) joined ##slackware. [13:20] no we haven't. [13:21] Ah, then you're looking at fragmentation. [13:21] AzalynX: Do you adhere to someone else's standards? [13:21] jkwood: if it was based on a proprietary model, maybe. with opensource, i don't think so. [13:22] Linux is way less fragmented than Unix for example. And the only reason Linux is a bit fragmented I think is because no one gives a fuck about the LSB. [13:22] Well, they're forced to use the same architecture for the processor. [13:22] I don't want everything to be open source [13:22] LikeVinyl (n=desdemon@186.18.57.7) joined ##slackware. [13:22] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] AzalynX: Linux is a deviation from unix. It's not "less fragmented", it IS a fragment. [13:22] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-bc0f467825b7b497) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [13:22] That's monopoly. Otherwise, you have emulation. [13:22] i don't care what is open source. if i like it, i use it. [13:23] eviljames, uh, gross oversimplification [13:23] AzalynX: Find me a Solaris or BSD with /proc/cpuinfo [13:23] TwinReverb: http://www.exploits.org/v4l [13:23] eviljames: I don't consider it a fragment. [13:23] TwinReverb: Yeah, obviously :D [13:23] i consider it a successor. [13:23] And you would be wrong. [13:23] No I wouldn't. [13:23] This is a subjective issue. [13:23] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] It is a matter of definition and personal opinion. [13:23] Ah, fair enough I guess. [13:23] Action: eviljames just enjoys lively debate. [13:23] it doesn't use any code from unix for one thing. [13:24] And GNU expands to "GNU's Not Unix" [13:24] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [13:24] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:24] eviljames, take the jung typology test at www.humanmetrics.com and tell us what you are [13:25] jkwood, thanks bro [13:25] I don't believe in such a thing as an "open source monopoly" [13:25] I think it's an oxymoron. [13:25] I didn't say anything about an open source monpoly. [13:25] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] TwinReverb: k, let's see how it turns out. [13:26] If you're going to have the same binary run on different platforms, then they'll need to have the same CPU archtecture. [13:26] remember, there are no right or wrong answers [13:26] if Linux became dominant as an OS, by the very fact that the code is opensource, haiku, reactos, or anyone could implement a subsystem to run our software (assuming there would be a proprietary market around Linux if it was dominant, if not, they wouldn't even need to be compatible at the binary level, just source level) [13:26] Hmm... I'm dropping vowels. [13:26] jkwood: there are three companies making x86 architectures. [13:27] TwinReverb: There are some hard questions in there... "You tend to rely on your experience rather than theoretical alternatives (yes/no)" uhh, I rely on what the situation requires... [13:27] x86 arch cpus i mean. [13:27] jkwood: everyone can just use...MONO! [13:27] But you've blocked out ARM, and MIPS, and dozens of other architectures I can't be bothered to remember. [13:27] eviljames, what is your default? do you tend to be one before the other? (like when NOT thinking)? [13:28] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.130) left irc: ":wq" [13:28] we're all one type or another, but time and age tend to balance us out [13:28] jkwood: so? even now consoles have more or less standardized on powerpc. [13:29] I don't think that is as big an issue. [13:29] TwinReverb: ENTJ [13:29] straterra: Software named after kissing diseases just doesn't appeal to me. ;) [13:29] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] i wish things had standardized on risc or whatever that shared memory arch was [13:29] Intel already beat their competition in that regard. The only thing that can bring back CPU architecture competition would be a CPU that has it's own arch, but somehow has a way to emulate x86 at *native* speeds. [13:30] eviljames, congratulations, same type as me [13:30] Shit..I was gonna call my new program herpes :/ [13:30] TwinReverb: great, now wtf does this crap really mean? :D [13:30] eviljames: Hold on just a sec. [13:30] eviljames, google for ENTJ and check out the cool stuff [13:30] heh [13:30] TwinReverb: RISC is a category, not a CPU. (there is PA-RISC though) [13:30] relationships, jobs, leadership, etc, cool [13:30] actually I should've looked closer, there was a link there :D [13:31] There is that. [13:31] AMD's core is actually risc, based on alpha sorta.. their microcode basically 'compiles' x86 instructions into the low-level 'real' architecture. [13:31] like some sort of llvm. [13:31] that shared memory arch is actually rather bad-ass in concept [13:31] forget onboard graphics memory if you have tons of system memory, even maybe much faster than the card's own onboard memory [13:31] and intel since i686 has been doing something similar. [13:32] eh [13:32] TwinReverb: People have been doing that for a long ass time [13:32] i mentioned amd specifically because they apparently use an alpha-like design. [13:32] The problem is it ISNT faster [13:32] eviljames, married? dating? single? that thing can help you find what mate would work most naturally for you [13:32] it introduces latency and tends to bog down your northbridge (if you have one) [13:32] TwinReverb: pretty much married. [13:32] oh well, anyways... :) [13:33] i've always wondered what is so special about GDDR that they can't implement the same engineering practices with DDR. [13:33] TwinReverb: Why? You want to date? [13:33] :D [13:33] ISNT is not a valid Meyers-Briggs personality type. [13:33] my wife is an INTP, works great for me [13:33] eviljames, you're not my type, and i'm already claimed :P [13:33] this wild stallion was broken in [13:33] if they did, then shared memory would be pretty sweet. [13:33] TwinReverb: After 3 years, mine gave up on trying to really tame me. She just enjoys the ride. [13:33] ;) [13:33] HAHAHAHAHA [13:34] oh, i wanted to say something about pokemon when you guys mentioned it earlier. i actually always thought that would make a kick ass mmorpg. [13:35] O.o [13:35] no? [13:35] I've never even tried a mmorpg, nor pokemon. My 5 year old cousin likes pokemon though. [13:35] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@189.81.24.141) joined ##slackware. [13:35] So it seems there would be a pretty captive market for such a thing. [13:35] instead of hack n slash like all mmo's [13:35] there would be a greater focus on collecting. [13:35] etc [13:36] hersonls_ (n=hersonls@189.81.24.141) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] Knowing WOTC, they'd probably ruin it, thouhg. [13:36] It's what they do. [13:36] and if they tried to make a more serious-looking style (still cartoon-like, but a bit more serious.. think Team Fortress 2 for example) [13:36] it would appeal not just to kids, but anyone. [13:37] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] I have trouble imagining adults playing pokemon. That's not to say it doesn't happen... [13:38] i have trouble imagining adults of any age playing games, much less adults with kids [13:38] much less pokemon [13:38] eviljames: The games are very good actually. [13:38] AzalynX: http://www.pokemonworldonline.net/ <-- You mean like that? [13:38] They're solid RPGs. [13:39] magic the gathering is the devil. So much beer is consumed when magic is around at my fraternity.... [13:39] The TV anime kind of ruined the series though, making it seem kiddy. [13:39] gabriel (n=gabriel@wlan.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [13:40] rhys: People still play magic the gathering? I thought that trend died out years ago... [13:40] jkwood: that doesn't seem to be from nintendo [13:40] BrandtOE (n=brandtoe@h195n3c1o1052.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] eviljames, not at all. and DOTA is even worse. but at least with DOTA, vodka is easier to clean out of hte carpet. [13:41] rhys: What's DOTA? [13:41] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:41] defense of the ancients. Warcraft3 map. [13:41] We play MTG all the time. [13:41] Ahh [13:41] Action: eviljames isn't exactly a gamer [13:41] In my circle, though, we don't play on the upgrade treadmill. [13:42] I used to like console games. [13:42] But the mainstreamization has kind of hurt the market I think. [13:42] I still like Nintendo games though. Like Zelda of course. :) [13:42] I still love my NES and SNES. [13:42] We don't really care if a card is legal anymore. Can't afford to. [13:42] On PC, I totally fell in love with Valve after Portal and Team Fortress 2 [13:43] I used to play MTG too, years ago [13:43] those two games alone are worth having a dedicated gaming PC for. [13:43] I wish systems shipped with Donkey Kong instead of solitaire :( [13:43] just emerge zsnes. :| [13:43] or install [13:43] eviljames: Hey did you see the dual nes/snes system at thinkgeek.com? only $50! [13:43] (sorry, force of habit with gentoo) [13:43] agentc0re|work: Now that's a console I can sink my teeth into, brb ! :D [13:44] AzalynX: So wait... somebody else comes along and creates a Pokemon MMORPG, and you complain because it's not the prorietary product of a gaming console company? [13:44] *headdesk* [13:44] AzalynX: "emerge zsnes!" more horrific words could only have begun with "apt-g.." :D [13:44] jkwood: *headdesk* or *facepalm* ? [13:44] jkwood: No, I'm saying they're probably going to get sued. [13:44] If it actually gets anywhere that is. [13:45] I wish copyright didn't last forever. [13:45] zsnes doesn't compile on 64-bit, sadly [13:45] But apparently it does (thank you disney you total assholes) [13:45] thrice`: eh? i use it on my 64bit machine though... [13:46] othermindszine (n=othermin@195.sub-70-193-27.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] thrice`: Thanks for reminding me. [13:46] jkwood: won't work. too much 86 assembly [13:46] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-158-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] /usr/games/bin/zsnes: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [13:46] well, how about that. [13:47] I know. I'm thinking about rewriting it all as x86_64 one of these days, but for now, I'm keeping a list of stuff we'll reject out of hand for bsc on the forum. [13:47] Well, they've been around for at least a year now [13:47] urggh, backlog replies ;( [13:47] doesn't their ./configure script know how to compile a 32bit binary on a 64bit system though? [13:47] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-204467.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:48] AzalynX: clearly you did it somehow, no? [13:48] Looks like I have to go out for a while. The Windows agents offered me a deal; I have to turn in a higher up Slacker. I'm going to plant evidence on Gates and Jobs. [13:48] well, this particular machine has gentoo. [13:48] gabriel (n=gabriel@wlan.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] You can compile it as 32-bit, but that's not quite the same. [13:48] Thanks for the help. See you later. [13:48] I like slackware but I don't use it everywhere. [13:48] deplorable (n=noneofyo@dial-107.r2.ncbrvr.InfoAve.Net) left ##slackware. [13:49] well, at least you tried [13:49] jkwood: well, it runs though. [13:49] jkwood: portage thinks for him, I wouldn't bother :) [13:50] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-68-167.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:51] actually, i have a lot of disagreements with portage. hence why after all these years i still prefer slackware's way of doing things. but there a few reasons why i don't feel comfortable using it everywhere. [13:51] the main problem with portage is gentoo. freebsd has been doing fine with ports, and a pure unadulterated install of ports on slackware would rule [13:52] TwinReverb: I agree that bsd is doing great with ports, but think it is not right for slackware. [13:52] huh? portage works really well [13:52] just do it like freebsd does it. if you want the package, you get what freebsd considers the right way to compile it. if you want custom options, you specify them. either way, it works. [13:52] one thing is, it would be nice to see an official 64bit version. i know there's slamd64.. but it's not slackware unless it's been blessed by sir patrick! [13:52] freebsd's ports are so much better than gentoo's portage it's obscene [13:52] AzalynX: What's wrong with Fred's hard work? [13:52] how they could even call it something with "port" in it is beyond me [13:53] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:53] TwinReverb: I'd like to hear 3 ways fbsd ports are superior to portage [13:53] they're vaguely similar in concept, until gentoo applies all its hax and "coolness" to it [13:53] eviljames: geez, way to guilt trip. [13:53] Does ports use that "use-flag" system? [13:53] 1) gentoo defaults to the highest -O level you can possibly compile it on (per conversations with friends who are all about gentoo) [13:53] negatgive [13:53] wrong [13:53] TwinReverb: wrong [13:53] AzalynX: It was actually an honest question? While I certainly place a high value on Pat V's work, why is it less valuable than Fred E's? [13:54] 2) gentoo sometimes hacks things (i.e. patches) so that these higher optimizations work (per conversations with friends who are all about gentoo) [13:54] -funroll loops?! [13:54] :D [13:54] 3) if i'm not mistaken, you cannot simple have it grab the package like with freebsd's ports [13:54] freebsd ports does the same thing, essentially, that gentoo portage does [13:54] eviljames: it wasn't a question. [13:54] you tell it to instlal something.. it grabs source.. build scripts.. builds it.. installs it [13:55] i do not use gentoo, and i'm one person, so the odds of me being correct are not good, but it's the only info i have to go by [13:55] AzalynX: The original question what "What's wrong with Fred's hard work?" [13:55] well, your #1 is off, since you set your own global CFLAGS during the install (the defaults are just i686, x86_64, etc); also, you can absolutely do #3 [13:55] i'm not installing gentoo simply to prove or disprove what my friends say [13:55] TwinReverb: the -O is set in the make.conf or whatever. [13:55] as well as all other flags. [13:55] -O2 is the default in Gentoo now btw [13:55] as for just downloading a package, there is a way, but i forgot what the command was. [13:56] now i'm not knocking gentoo, because, like debian, they tend to find problems and submit patches to upstream to fix things [13:56] you really can't knock portage, as it's probably the most advanced package management available. [13:56] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:56] eviljames: sorry, your question mark confused me when you said "actually an honest question?" [13:56] Wolven` (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] but i've used ports on freebsd and it sounds nothing like people describe for gentoo. there are similarities, like how it compiles stuff for you, but otherwise i don't like what i hear (but then again, "believe half of what you see and none of what you hear" so it's time i shut my mouth) [13:56] Wolven` (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [13:56] i thought you were implying i had asked a question. [13:56] Wolven` (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] AzalynX: oh, yeah, sometimes I throw question marks in sort of randomly to designate inflection. [13:57] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [13:57] AzalynX: I suppose that would make it psuedo-random :D [13:57] now it would be cool if patrick allowed us to have the "make world" script so that we could recompile all of slackware simply by running one program, but alas.... [13:58] eviljames: I've done it too before. Like if someone asks "why are atheists so rude about religion", I might say "uh, they're not?" [13:58] Action: TwinReverb would recompile everything -Os on his spare laptop simply because he can "set it and forget it" [13:58] but my parser just didn't notice the meaning of your question mark in that one instance. heh [13:58] for i in */*/*.*uild; do sh $i; done [13:58] Azalyn, they can be, and often are [13:58] but that would be OT [13:59] That would need some tweaking, I'm sure. [13:59] I don't think so. As Richard Dawkins says, if it was about politics, or any other topic (software? programming languages?) no one would call you "rude" [13:59] Maybe "opinionated" [14:00] flame wars about all sorts of topics occur without anyone feeling 'insulted' or 'offended' on a personal level, or feeling the other person was terribly rude. religion gets a get out of jail free card though. [14:00] That's getting a wee bit personal. [14:00] not hardly [14:00] treated with more respect than political/sociological/etc beliefs. [14:00] Bullbutter. [14:00] that's funny. "let's not talk about it, while i throw out some last minute digs" [14:01] Anytime you "attack" someone's core beliefs, they're going to get offended. [14:01] Doesn't matter if you're talking about the existence of God or free software. [14:01] well yeah but it depends [14:01] criticism isn't an attack. [14:01] It can easily seem that way, even if it's not intended. [14:01] convictions are opinions that one holds so dear that their contradiction threatens their entire belief structure [14:02] Just because it's not meant as an attack, it can be perceived that way. [14:02] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:02] you should watch when you talk to people, in the sense that if they start getting offended quickly, maybe you should reconsider the discussion [14:02] if it's really worth threatening their entire belief system for you to say something, say it, otherwise don't. [14:02] I pledge allegiance with my Core beliefs to the all powerful Gates, who was sent from God almighty to make the world a better place. [14:02] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [14:03] and I don't appreciate atheist cults trying to destory all the good we do with their godless nonsense. [14:03] it wouldn't be worth my time to go argue with a bunch of religious people as an athiest (and visa versa) unless the end result is worth while (and not simply "to free their minds" because the atheist mind can be just as "closed" as the religious one.) [14:03] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Action: TwinReverb stabs Politics [14:04] I might argue, to tell the truth, that it's become fashionable to attack Christians. We're constantly made fun of, and because of what we believe, we're supposed to "turn the other cheek." [14:04] Action: rhys joins in [14:04] I really do think religion is treated differently than other beliefs. [14:04] Politics, you're not welcome here :P [14:04] Azalyn, and i think you're wrong [14:04] D: [14:04] :'( [14:04] I've never seen anyone tell me that I should shut my mouth about criticising Bush because it's "rude" or so on. [14:04] uh oh. [14:04] jkwood, oh and your only one step down from absurd. [14:04] Azalyn, you haven't spent time around me :) [14:04] TwinReverb: then you are the exception to the rule, not the rule. [14:05] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-170-181.w90-59.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] rhys: That's probably true. [14:05] but again, let's stop trying to tip toe around the issues. either invite us to #politics or #religion or otherwise leave us alone [14:05] :D :P [14:05] And are also wrong to tell someone to shut up for voicing an opinion or criticising. [14:06] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [14:06] jkwood, if you notice the more ridiculous to swallow your beliefs, the more you are made fun of. Scientology gets a huge bit, because its crazy. Fundamental christianity does too. when was the last time you saw protesters out in front of a monistary because them buddahists were threatening to bomb cemetery because they don't let the body be reincarnated. [14:06] Less crazy the beliefs, the less they are attacked. [14:06] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Well, I respect the rules of the channel. That said, it's not fair that people should be free to make derogatory comments about religion when I'm not supposed to say a word in defense of it. [14:06] hi all [14:06] rhys: not really. [14:07] I think 6000 year old earth, talking snakes, and zombie jesus is a bit more out there than aliens with h-bombs. [14:07] Do you believe in talking parrots? [14:07] Azalyn, but then you're saying basically that other belief systems seem crazier to you because of your own personal opinion [14:07] AzalynX, and not ever christian believes in that. I'm making a generality. [14:08] jkwood: you suck!!1 [14:08] what TwinReverb said. Less crazy your beliefs, less they get attacked. [14:08] rhys: "crazy" is a funny word... ;) [14:08] the 'perception' of legitimacy in a belief definitely helps. [14:08] jkwood, I am not arguing your religion. I find it a waste of time. [14:08] but that's based on your own opinion [14:08] witchcraft is older than christianity for example, but is perceived as more whacky. [14:08] to many belief systems, scientology might appear extreme [14:09] TwinReverb: because it's more modern. [14:09] Well, I'm sorry to hear that, rhys, but you are certainly free to believe what you will. [14:09] but you can't base stuff like this on your personal opinion [14:09] it's newagey. [14:09] jkwood, I don't believe. in anything. So better to say, you are free to keep your beliefs, I like my world without them. [14:09] holy awesome, a religion flamewar, can I play?! [14:09] and i don't think it's because it's more modern so much as it's because it does not seem logical to most human minds, but either way, all i'm saying is you can't base your judgment of something on only your own personal opinion [14:10] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:10] jkwood: I believe you have a right to believe what you want, but I think I have a right to criticize, and so do you. [14:10] i bet the catholic church thought galileo to be insane when he said the earth was NOT the center of the universe, which is why they put him under house arrest [14:10] but they made a judgment fail: you don't judge based on personal opinion. you find something objective to base it on. [14:10] kamaji, speaking of which I have solved the energy crisis. if we figure out how to harness the flames of slashdot, we will have infinite power. Slashdot + slightly controversial issue inaccurately blown out of porportion = infinite flames == infinite power. [14:11] rhys: genius. [14:11] What I don't agree with, is theists using their beliefs for political decision making. For example, people think being gay is immoral because of the bible. The bible implies all sin is equal, and apparently eating pork and shrimp is also a sin. [14:11] kamaji, ty. [14:11] AzalynX, do not start down this path of madness. [14:11] AzalynX: Well, that's a difference between "sin" and "bad idea." [14:11] most people don't really notice that they pick and chose their beliefs from in there. [14:12] Eating poorly cooked pork and shrimp can make you sick. [14:12] DO NOT FEED THE MADNESS. THIS IS ##SLACKWARE, not ##MADNESS. [14:12] i think christians would be like fred phelps if they all took the bible literally. [14:12] rhys, HAHAHA [14:12] more sparta, less madness. [14:12] rhys: topicnazi!? on MY internet!? [14:12] #slackware-social for religiopolitico debatez [14:12] AzalynX: it's more likely than you think [14:12] rworkman set it up a few days ago :D [14:12] Azalyn, a person is the sum of their beliefs. your personal beliefs will always affect work and political, no matter how hard you try [14:12] And I think that atheists would be like Hitler if they took Darwin seriously. [14:13] what? why? [14:13] TwinReverb: then perhaps they need to excuse themselves from the debate. [14:13] we try to be professional in the air force, for example, and while it's usually very belief-generic, it does become political at times [14:13] Ha! I can make gross overgeneralizations too! [14:13] jkwood: Hitler was a roman catholic. :| [14:13] you just got to try to be objective and not let it get out of hand [14:13] AzalynX: And the current pope was a nazi, big deal. All religion = dumb! (overgeneralization ftw) [14:13] AzalynX: I can claim to be a jet pilot too, but if I don't fly, I'm not one. [14:14] jkwood: Keep in mind that I specified *IF* they took the bible literally. [14:14] GODWINS LAW! [14:14] I think this is a pretty reasonable statement, I mean have you read the book? :| [14:14] Yes, I have. [14:14] Many times. [14:14] How unfortunate. [14:14] it's chock full of rape, murder, mass-genocide. [14:14] AzalynX, seriously. STOP. this is useless. [14:14] rhys: Metagodwin's recursive law [14:14] useless. [14:14] I read it once, laughed heartily, and put it aside. [14:14] saying all religions (or lack thereof) are dumb is a gravely stupid thing to say. saying * A = B is dumb because opinions and preferences are not based in scientific laws [14:15] analogies comparing israel to a whore that likes donkey cock. [14:15] so how do i put slackware on a cheese grater powered by a hamster ball? [14:15] Yep. [14:15] all politics are not stupid, all religions (or lack thereof) are not stupid, all countries are not stupid, all people of a certain nationality are not stupid, etc [14:15] so let's do something more productive than seed our entropy engines here [14:15] TwinReverb: The detriment that religion has had on societal progress is well documented, politics and science have (at least to some degree in the former, extensively in the latter) moved us forward. [14:15] TwinReverb: there are some guidelines though. it's not about 'dumb', it's about irrational. [14:16] think celestial teapot. [14:16] eviljames, the detriment atheism had on enlightened france is well documented too [14:16] why believe if there is no evidence. [14:16] what the shit is going on in here? [14:16] There's nothing more irrational about the celestial teapot than the abrahamic god. [14:16] Experience, my friend. Experience. [14:16] straterra: flame. [14:16] your actions do not make your beliefs good or bad in and of themselves [14:16] I've got evidence. [14:16] BENARDS TEAPOT ENACTED. MADNESS APPROACHING EXPLODING LEVELS. [14:17] rhys: come on, it's a civil debate. [14:17] no one is calling eachother names [14:17] I mean.. [14:17] in ##slackware [14:17] we could mention atheists like pol pot and stalin as being key examples, but like i said, just because some dude was an atheist who did something doesn't make all athiests good or bad [14:17] no one is jihading. [14:17] just because i meet one idiot gentoo user doesn't mean all gentoo users are idiots [14:17] it's all cool. [14:17] AzalynX, jkwood, a reasonable debate, about religion, in ##SLACKWARE. [14:17] so like i said, enough generalizations. let's talk slackware. [14:17] Package management is for noobz [14:17] this is another thing i hate about this topic, seems like people are afraid because they think no one can have a civil debate about it. :| [14:18] someone make me op. I must enact the true religion of slackware and kick people. http://www.subgenius.com/ [14:18] no, we choose not to do it in here [14:18] rhys: well no channel can stick to a topic forever, there has to be some variance. [14:18] like i said before, invite us to some other channel so we can discuss it THERE [14:18] straterra: isn't that the point of package management? [14:18] :P [14:18] besides, everyone seems to be taking part in the discussion. [14:18] yeah, taking part to try to squash it, if you haven't noticed [14:18] TwinReverb: no.. you've participated. [14:18] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] only rhys seems to be trying to stop it. [14:19] Slackware is actually a plot by the discordians to make a giant joke of all operating systems. be gone, atheist and christian. you have no place here. [14:19] then you haven't been listening [14:19] Only her Golden Apple shall rule this channel! [14:19] Action: jkwood sets fire to rhys [14:19] Action: TwinReverb beats Azalyn with a nerf bat [14:19] I'm going to start a new religion: "Non conformism". Who wants to join? [14:19] Action: TwinReverb raises his hand [14:20] You can't spend several screenfulls of text debating with me and then saying that you're just 'trying to stop it' [14:20] kamaji, already done. read the Principa Discordia. [14:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] rhys: confound it! [14:20] i was shooting down your generalizations, but i had to repeat myself several times because you were not listening [14:20] I think skepticism is pretty non-conformist by definition. :| [14:20] much less i need to log out anyways, it's late [14:20] I, also, refuse to conform. [14:20] Well, as much as I attempted to inflame this discussion, I've alreayd tired of it. [14:20] AzalynX, you are both wrong though. Eris the Godess of all rules the world. all your petty attempts to understand are fruitless to the great amusement of the discordians. [14:20] i refuse to conform to the non-conformist group [14:20] OR ARE THEY? [14:21] misadventures of billy and mandy is pretty cool. [14:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] or is it adventures... [14:21] yeah, it is. [14:22] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:22] And as the golden apple rolls through the channel, shoop da woop erupts on Doctor Octogon YEAAAH. Stephen Colbert rushes about with 23 Skidoo, ruling your finances behind his golden curtain. [14:22] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:22] you know, generalizations are usually meant to illustrate a general point, not meant to paint a group. [14:23] I prefer to use them to paint groups. [14:23] All Christians are as immoral as their pedophile priests. [14:23] I prefer just to attempt genocide [14:23] See? Fun! [14:23] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn145.91-127-196.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:23] I prefer using real paint. [14:23] except with the disciples of Bob. where generalizations shall paint us all in the great non-conformist mass that are perfect copies of the all knowing one, Bob. [14:23] Action: jkwood paints a scarlet A on eviljames [14:23] J. Bob Dobbs? [14:23] hahaha [14:23] kamaji, indeed that very non comformist who we all shape our images after! [14:24] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] who we read and understand [14:25] HTML tags? in MY IRC? [14:25] by the power of Bob Dobbs, so it is kamaji [14:25] kamaji: it's more likely than you think. [14:26] ok, since we have to stay on topic. lets start a lunix topic. [14:26] vi! [14:26] penguins with swords!! [14:26] sucks [14:26] Is Torvalds the modern Jesus? [14:26] :D [14:26] do any of you think linux could trigger a massive shift in the way technology is developed in the future? [14:26] No [14:26] not just software, but all technology. [14:26] No [14:27] you gave your answer. [14:27] Linux development is a wreck [14:27] Linux will eventually be running on our very souls. [14:27] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("i came, i saw, i essploded"). [14:27] AzalynX: I really hope that is the case. [14:27] AzalynX: But overall, no. [14:27] today computers are used to design most things.. (like CAD for example) [14:27] I hope Linux doesn't [14:27] rhys: We have those? [14:27] I'd kill myself if Linux were on everything [14:28] Open Source seems to have an advantage over proprietary software, in that a wheel only has to be invented once, then all projects will use it. [14:28] But what about the open source process? [14:28] proprietary competitors have to reinvent the wheel to enter a market. [14:28] I'd kill myself if everything was open source too [14:28] straterra: Agreed about that, I'd hate linux on everything. [14:28] AzalynX: no they don't.. [14:28] jkwood, of course. How else could we lease them to Dobbs? its the best investment ever. [14:28] I want an eyetap :< [14:28] Propriatary applications can use open source code [14:28] open source commoditizes software, leaving only the services industry. [14:28] heri0n (n=heri0n@bas2-hamilton14-1167922028.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:28] AzalynX: LGPL [14:28] rhys: Interesting theory, that. [14:29] eviljames: yes, but how long can that go on? [14:29] Forever [14:29] I don't know, it seems unlikely to me. [14:29] Windows seems to be target #1 [14:29] It seems even more unlikely that Linux will run everything and everything will be open souroce [14:29] i just compiled a new kernel... and my network card doesnt work... it uses the b44 driver, but when i try to modprobe b44 it says its not found... i might have compiled it into the kernel [14:29] If Windows falls, I don't see how the rest of the ISV industry can survive. [14:29] source^ [14:29] Windows isn't going anywhere [14:30] It may not have a choice in the matter. [14:30] It isn't going anywhere. [14:30] There isn't an OS thats ready to replace it. [14:31] I think if there was a mathematician in the room, they might be able to actually put this into mathematical terms. [14:31] The support market isn't their either [14:31] there^ [14:31] Linux is a bitch to support [14:31] straterra: some very powerful companies are behind it though. [14:31] IBM isn't stupid. [14:31] So? [14:31] Doesn't mean Windows is going anywhere [14:31] Do you have any reason to suspect it won't though? [14:31] I bet all of those powerful companies use Windows too [14:31] Apart from "just cuz" ? [14:32] Because of the needed support, because of the lack of a viable replacement [14:32] Because of the ammount of cost it would take for corporate america to move away from it [14:32] Take your pick [14:32] vendor lock-in is only effective as long as your APIs and protocols continue to be locked. [14:32] There's tons of reasons that Windows isn't going everywhere. [14:32] I'm not talking about vendor lock-in [14:32] I don't see anything in Windows that cannot be replicated. [14:32] I do [14:33] support for all of Windows programs [14:33] I got schooled on that when I was a n00b too... look into GPO. [14:33] apart from things like the certificates they use to sign various things, which is an obvious case. [14:33] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:33] (Actually, I got re-schooled on GPO recently) [14:34] There is one thing that Linux is TERRIBLE at that Windows excels at [14:34] group policy? [14:34] windows isn't going anywhere because the sheeple are too comfortable with their inferior interface [14:34] tribeca (n=naitso@host11-244-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:34] if it's code, it can be reimplemented. [14:34] fadein: That's not the reason, and Linux can easily be configured to look & feel that way. [14:34] Legacy support..and then there is the overly zealous "lets break things with tons of abi changes" mentality that linux devs like [14:34] If COM95/COM98 could be reverse-engineered, anything can. [14:34] If you slapped the windows logo on RedHat and called it Vista, the sheeple would flock to it [14:34] straterra: Legacy support!! There's no way to over-emphasize that. [14:35] Let me put it this way..if Windows did was Linux did in terms of breaking abi/api...the sky would fall [14:35] microsoft bob still runs in vista :) [14:35] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:35] fadein: the OEMs chose it for them though. i think a situation could arise in the future where OEMs have nothing to gain from sticking with microsoft. (unlike today's situation where they have plenty to gain) [14:35] Linux broke cd burning for three kernel versions in a row [14:35] every new version broke cd burning [14:35] yeah, but since linux is a hobby for most, breaking API is what they enjoy doing, so taht won't change (nor should it) [14:35] fadein: Truly, people don't care. I put Ubuntu w/ compiz-fusion on my mom's desktop and told her it was Vista - it took trying to install MS Office months later for her to figure out it wasn't. [14:36] Developing software for Linux is a pain when you do kernel stuff.. [14:36] as long as MS has money to throw at OEMs, they'll be more than happy to "recommend" the latest OS from redmond [14:36] straterra: that's because it's the distributor's responsibility to test. [14:36] fadein: And it just so happens that they have tons and tons and tons of money. [14:36] I guess it depends on the sheep. my own mother was very concerned that her start menu was a blue square with a 'K' on it [14:36] Linux isn't ready to replace Windows and it won't be for a LONG time [14:37] fadein: perhaps, but another antitrust suit could fix that. in fact, i think if the linux vendors got together *today* they could easily sue microsoft for antitrust for about a dozzen different reasons, including the 'recommended' thing. [14:37] however, there is a problem. [14:37] straterra, just not true. [14:37] today, that won't *benefit* linux vendors. [14:37] rhys: very true [14:37] Anti-trust? They paid the fines from their last anti-trust lawsuit in Microsoft Coupons! [14:37] redhat wants their shit to be special/exclusive. their perception is that hp, ibm, etc are competition. [14:37] You come in to my company and make a plan for replacing everything with linux/open source software and keep 100% of the functionality [14:37] It will be impossible [14:38] with some companies, sure. [14:38] AzalynX: well, perhaps with the current administration an anti-trust suit could go farther... oh, wait, the first one was during the Clinton years. Seriously, that kind of behavior I'd only expect from Bush&Cheney&Rove&Co. [14:38] Also, very very very expensive in terms of support and actual work [14:38] I'd love to get 400 calls about why a new kernel update broke everyone's nvidia driver [14:38] fadein: what i'm saying is right now, there isn't really much to gain from suing microsoft. because after all, it is microsoft's monopolism that makes linux attractive. [14:38] NOT [14:38] if redhat stops them from being monopolistic [14:38] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:39] then they are essentially ruining their own 'specialness' basically.. [14:39] straterra: Ever feel like you're the only sane person in a room? :D [14:39] eviljames: yes [14:39] eviljames: I guess that makes two of you :) [14:39] Linux isn't ready to replace Windows just like OpenOffice isn't ready to 100% replace Microsoft Office [14:39] of course, eventually i think the situation will change, there will come a time where more can be gained by attacking microsoft, than by sitting by and playing the political game. [14:39] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Then there is the point that the government uses Windows pretty heavily [14:40] [14:38:49] I'd love to get 400 calls about why a new kernel update broke everyone's nvidia driver [14:40] nvidia is irrelevant. [14:40] Uhm..no its not [14:40] it breaks because it's a binary driver. [14:40] hAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAa [14:40] No it doesnt [14:40] "nvidia is irrelevant" <- I wish I could set /t [14:40] It breaks because its out of tree [14:40] It has nothing to do with binary [14:40] same shit more or less. [14:41] ANYTHING out of tree will die when you compile a new kernel and don't recompile it [14:41] it's out of tree because it's proprietary shit. [14:41] Patently false. [14:41] Wrong [14:41] bcm43xx was out of tree for a long time [14:41] AzalynX: NV spend a lot of time and money on engineers. [14:41] lots of device drivers are out of tree [14:41] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [14:41] And thats the problem with a quickly changing abi..out of tree things CONSTANTLY have to work to keep up [14:41] i don't see them breaking the way nvidia does. [14:41] IT's not NV that's broken, it's Linux. [14:41] Vmware any-any patches [14:42] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:42] i disagree. [14:42] if all drivers were open, and free as in freedom.. [14:42] there would be no issue. [14:42] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [14:42] they'd all eventually get merged [14:42] unless it was bleeding edge [14:42] Wrong [14:42] It could be a different GPL license that stops it [14:42] it could be a million different things [14:42] then it's the distributor's job. [14:43] they can handle it just fine [14:43] If they could, a new kernel update wouldn't break nvidia on [14:43] because it's closed-source. [14:43] No [14:43] It's because its out of tree [14:43] i've also seen atheros wifi break, why? because the HAL used to be closed source. [14:43] AzalynX: Some of this may be outdated, but which graphics supports the following: Pbuffers, Framebuffer Objects, GLSL, redirected DRI, FULL OpenGL 2.1 w/ hardware, FULL GLX 1.4 w/ hardware accel? [14:44] graphics driver, that is. [14:44] eviljames: features don't really make a good case in this context. [14:44] There's precisely one, and does it well in hardware. Guess which one? [14:44] AzalynX: It is when the closed source drivers are a step up from the open ones. [14:44] since the issue is freedom, not features. [14:44] The issue isn't freedom at all [14:44] It's Linux being a replacement for Windows [14:45] hello all, I've got bit of a mission and wondering if I can pimp my linux system to impress a mate - he's infected his winbox using a bitto dodgy software and he needs someone to hose it clean.... just wondering if there are any solutions to doing the "work" on my linux box? share his HDD on network and do a scan from my box? not sure what would be good to use but it seems like a good chance to learn somethin new [14:45] Every OS has its strengths and weaknesses [14:45] Linux doesn't have all strength and no weakness [14:45] yes but the drivers, like all drivers, will eventually be fully reverse engineered. [14:45] And then a new GPU comes out [14:45] New chipsets come out faster than they are reverse engineered [14:45] You're right, but Open Source does outclass proprietary in every single category *except* interoperability with binary blobs, which is something we *dont* want. [14:46] Wrong [14:46] false. [14:46] yeah, that's a bit utopian [14:46] Also, the market *is* changing in our favor. Over the past few years, companies have started opening up their docs under pressure. [14:46] Really? [14:47] Come to my company and try to make us release spec sheets.. [14:47] I don't care HOW much pressure you put on..its not happening [14:47] We develop everything in house. EVERYTHING. [14:47] don't worry, if you don't, then someone else will reverse engineer it for you. [14:47] if it's even important that is. [14:47] Let them reverse engineer our old stuff [14:47] if no one cares, then that's that i guess. [14:47] I'm not just talking software [14:47] I'm talking everything we do. [14:47] but revers engineer != exact science [14:47] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [14:47] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] mathias (n=mathias@h219n8c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] theblackbox: a lot of drivers were reverse engineered, what i see though is that linux is stable more often than not. and many times reverse engineered drivers will be better than the originals. [14:48] sysconfig [14:48] There is a reason we have contracts with the governments..with corporations all over the world. If what we offered were so easily found elsewhere, it would be [14:48] whoops - wrong keyboard! [14:48] theblackbox: I believe there are programs to achieve windows virii cleansing in Linux, but overall it's probably way faster to nuke the thing from orbit and reinstall. [14:49] AzalynX: "Reverse engineered drivers will be better than the originals" <- I can think of exactly 1 instance. [14:49] mathias (n=mathias@h219n8c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:49] AzalynX: Sorry, dude, but I think you're a little out to lunch on this one. [14:49] Anyways, this isn't about wrong/right, it's all just opinions. I wanted to just see what other people's thoughts were. [14:49] AzalynX: I really adore your enthusiasm, though. [14:49] AzalynX: The world certainly needs more optimists and progressives about this sort of thing. [14:50] I'm not giving up my Windows for Linux until it can do exactly everything my Windows can just as well [14:50] Sadly, as straterra at the very least has shown, the reality on the ground is much different from the utopia. [14:50] Well, like I said earlier, I think some math could demonstrate this. I just don't see how proprietary software can keep up with open source as a development model. [14:50] Because most people don't give a shit [14:50] +1 straterra [14:50] I don't think he's really shown anything. [14:50] Like I said, these are all opinions. [14:51] If closed source development was that bad..Windows would have died 20 years ago [14:51] No one, including me, has said anything that can be objectively considered right or wrong. [14:51] straterra: nah, vendor lock-in. [14:51] vendor lock-in keeps people tied to bad platforms. [14:51] Because they don't care [14:51] If they did, they'd find ways around it [14:51] Which is my whole point [14:52] People do NOT care about software licenses and idealogies of openness [14:52] Just like people don't care what OS runs on their car [14:52] They want it to WORK [14:52] They pay good money for it to work [14:52] That's all they want [14:52] well, that's the difference between opensource and free software. [14:52] open source is sort of a marketing effort for free software. [14:53] at least that's how i view it. [14:53] hence, opensource emphasises technical superiority. [14:53] Then there is the whole point that not everyone wants their software opensource. I don't. [14:53] How does open source emphasize technical superiority? [14:53] All it does is say "Here is the source" [14:53] That's it [14:54] well, in the end, microsoft may very well end up being their own undoing. after all they created this modern industry where the OS is bundled with the PC and the OEM therefore selects the OS *for* the user. [14:54] hey did you guys know that irc.freenode.net runs all gentoo servers? [14:54] all it takes is one OEM in the future, *one* [14:54] to be successful at selling linux boxes. [14:54] pirving: no wonder they can't stay onlin :D [14:54] But they won't be [14:55] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Connection timed out [14:55] people who want a computer to just work won't spend money on a computer that doesnt run their office suite..and doesnt support their modem or wireless cards.. [14:55] straterra: it's funny how you are so zealous in your claims. i mean i already admitted that my position is just an opinion, and a personal analysis. [14:55] but you keep making statements as if you are 100% certain. [14:55] I'm not zealous, I'm realistic [14:55] I am 100% certain [14:56] What you are talking about has been tried..and it fails [14:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle [14:56] Maybe you should read that article. [14:56] Before claiming 100% certainty. [14:56] Even quantum physicists don't claim 100% certainty, neither should you. [14:56] good god [14:56] http://www.google.com/search?q=clue [14:56] What I'm talking about has never been tried. [14:56] You should read that [14:57] What a bad construing of the uncertainty principle. [14:57] macman (n=macman@adsl-75-5-244-226.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:57] I didn't construe anything. :| [14:57] kitche (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:57] AzalynX: There are plenty of Linux-specific OEMs [14:57] has anyone ever mounted a osx partition [14:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:57] AzalynX: And there's a reason you haven't heard of them. [14:57] I am 100% certain Linux will never be able to completely replace Windows [14:57] eviljames: I have heard of them. [14:57] BrandtOE (n=brandtoe@h195n3c1o1052.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )" [14:57] But you seem to make a very serious assumption. [14:57] And I'm curious why you're making it. [14:58] 14:54 < AzalynX> all it takes is one OEM in the future, *one* [14:58] 14:54 < AzalynX> to be successful at selling linux boxes. [14:58] Yes, successful. [14:58] System76 is really successful [14:58] Many of those companies have been growing. But you seem to assume they will never hit critical mass. [14:58] Really, really successful I think. Are they anywhere near MS? Not by a long shot. [14:59] Can you tell me why you think they won't ever be competitive with others? [14:59] I didn't say they wouldn't ever be competitive, I said they currently are not on par. [14:59] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:59] They may be competitive..but..Linux is not replacing Windows. Ever. [14:59] But, as straterra has repeatedly emphasized, they won't completely replace windows. [14:59] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-177-126.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:00] an OEM doesn't replace windows. [15:00] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [15:00] they compete with other OEMs [15:00] like HP, Dell, etc. [15:00] Windows isn't going anywhere [15:00] HP and Dell both offer Linux machines [15:00] straterra: Can you prove it? [15:00] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Apparently you can predict the future. [15:00] I don't have to prove it. I just have to sit back and let history take its course [15:00] Well, I could say the same... [15:00] Urrm...when i do 'startx' it says Fatal server error : Could not open font 'fixed' [15:00] But that isn't an argument. [15:00] You could..but you'd be wrong. [15:00] St0n3-C0l: Did you install all the font packages? [15:01] I think so i did [15:01] St0n3-C0l: did you install xorg after slackware ? [15:01] thrice`: Yup [15:01] I think maybe you're "hoping" instead of actually certain. [15:01] I need to prepare my already running slackware for a kernel crash [15:01] I've given many reason as to why Linux won't ever completely replace Windows..but..I haven't heard much of anything as to why it would [15:01] you are missing mkfontdir and mkfontscale [15:01] I mean to be this certain is unnatural, it seems almost religious ;) [15:01] AzalynX: I may just have skipped those of other languages fonts otherwise i have done it [15:01] Not religious [15:02] thrice`: are they packages? [15:02] hey guys... my network doesn't seem to be working... when i boot up i see dhcpcd running and getting an ip address.. but once i log in internet doesn't work... when i run dhcpcd manually internet works [15:02] nope, they are processes; hold on [15:02] You didn't give any convincing reasons. You basically said "people don't care", but then again, people not caring could just as easily be a point in our favor, as against. [15:02] I gave very convincing reasons [15:02] Linux has too fast moving abi changes [15:03] Linux doesn't support legacy things very well at all [15:03] Oh [15:03] St0n3-C0l: try this: [15:03] lolz [15:03] AzalynX and straterra are talking to each other and i thought AzalynX is talking to me. [15:03] lol [15:03] for i in `/bin/ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/*`; do mkfontdir $i && mkfontscale $i; done [15:04] straterra: I think you're somewhat fighting against religion here... [15:04] thrice`: Do i have to use ` ? [15:04] I really think I am [15:04] o.O [15:04] St0n3-C0l: only if you want it to work [15:04] That's clever. What's next, "I know you are but what am I" ? [15:04] for i in $( ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* ); do mkfontdir $i; done [15:04] AzalynX: Every year I hear about how ZOMGLINUX is going to replace Windows on the desktop [15:04] I will type "`/bin/ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/*`; do mkfontdir $i && mkfontscale $i; done" [15:04] Every year..it doesn't happen [15:05] for i in $( ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/* ); do mkfontscale $i; done [15:05] Its about as bad as the whole "THIS YEAR IS THE END OF THE WORLD" crap [15:05] St0n3-C0l: you missed the beginning [15:05] oh [15:05] straterra: I've been hearing it for 10 straight years. [15:05] it's a loop [15:05] I didn't make a single religious statement. You two seriously lack critical faculties of any kind apparently. Where did *I* ever claim absolute certainty in my opinion? I merely wanted to hear others thoughts on the matter. [15:05] *You* however, are making absolute claims. [15:05] Yes I am because I am 100% certain [15:05] AzalynX: Calm down, he's just bringing the reality of the situation to light. [15:06] And have not provided any back up whatsoever for you apparent predictions of the future. [15:06] AzalynX: It seems that you are more fervent in your dedication to the utopian FOSS view. [15:06] Just like I am 100% certain when I leave work today and walk out to my car, someone didn't install a T20 turbo for me.. [15:06] oh ok [15:06] AzalynX: I gave many, many many many many reasons with many real world examples. [15:06] thrice`: I did the second line u gave [15:06] heri0n (n=heri0n@bas2-hamilton14-1167922028.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [15:06] you need do to both (mkfontdir AND mkfontscale) [15:06] Oops :D [15:06] sorry [15:07] not at the same time, but do both or it wont' work [15:07] eviljames: I am not, that is *your* judgemental attitude, that is your own mind lopping me together with others. If you re-read everything I have said, *I* am the moderate one. [15:07] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-177-126.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [15:07] You are being terribly unrealistic [15:07] Not a single thing I've said can be interpreted in any other way than moderate. [15:07] oh [15:07] Sure, the whole world could never have a war again and hold hands..but..its not going to happen. [15:07] I'm not saying you were being extreme or moderate. I'm saying you were being unrealistic. [15:07] In fact, you could read every single statement I've said thus far as me playing devil's advocate. [15:08] Nothing I've said has taken an absolutist position on the matter. [15:08] Yes..and when I give you a valid, real world example you ignore it. [15:08] ok [15:08] A lot of it was asking for others' *opinions* [15:08] Thanks thrice :) [15:08] It worked but now there's another error lol [15:08] fatal server error : lockup [15:08] I think there was a good article on Slashdot today on something similar [15:08] not *facts*, because there are *none* in this context. [15:08] but opinions. [15:08] i will retry [15:08] There was tons of facts laid out in this context [15:09] eviljames: facts about the *future* ? [15:09] well, at least the fonts worked :) [15:09] are you daft? [15:09] there are no facts about future events. [15:09] Not about the future, about why Linux isn't going to replace Windows [15:09] AzalynX: will you stop? helping people is extremely difficult [15:09] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] straterra: That is a statement on the future. [15:09] macman (n=macman@adsl-75-5-244-226.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] No, its a statement on how the current design of Linux prevents that. [15:09] thrice`: Yeah, and whats the command to probe for Monitor Vert and Horiz ? [15:09] thrice`: What about them? :| [15:09] That has NOTHING to do with the future [15:10] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] how to I delete a user trash bin as root? [15:10] straterra: so you think opensource outside of linux could beat windows? just not linux? [15:10] No [15:10] St0n3-C0l: try, as root, "X -configure" [15:10] sounds like you're a zealot to me. [15:10] Open source everywhere is just as much of a delusion as Linux everywhere [15:10] I'm not a zealot. I'm realistic. [15:10] thrice`: Hmm, thrice there was some application. xprobe or xresprobe like that or ddcprobe [15:10] that will generate a xorg.conf. move that (probably /root/xorg.conf.new) to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [15:11] thrice`: Yeah that I did with xorgsetup just now [15:11] X -configure should do the probing for you [15:11] othermindszine (n=othermin@139.sub-70-192-65.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] straterra: I guess you'll just have to wait and see to know the answer. [15:11] You are being a typical open source zealot, IMO. You love the idea of freedom and choice that comes with open source, but you don't respect that people also have the choice to pick closed source. [15:11] People have the choice to license their software close sourced if they want. [15:11] hmm..will i have to reboot? [15:11] And they will [15:11] I am getting the same error [15:11] AzalynX: But, as I said before, I really appreciate your enthusiasm on the topic. [15:11] absolute certainty of the future is like being sure that there is life after death, it is a religious view. i am big enough to say "i don't know" [15:12] you aren't. [15:12] St0n3-C0l: nope, definitely not; X -configure, mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf, startx [15:12] Because I do know [15:12] AzalynX: and hope that in the future, more people make the conscious choice to move to open source. If it is on philosophical or price grounds, I don't care. [15:12] If I take my Tec and load it full of 30 rounds and empty it in your head..I know you are going to die. [15:12] thrice`: I did, it says unable to connect to X server and there is some ring error. like space : 28 wanted : 32 [15:13] I can't see the future, but I know you would die. [15:13] St0n3-C0l: A ring error? Pastebin? [15:13] I can reasonably predict the near future with the current as a guide [15:13] St0n3-C0l: Are you getting any output in Xorg.0.log ? [15:13] straterra: you can't know whether you'd hit me or miss. [15:13] Windows is going no where. [15:13] eviljames: I would have loved to paste but i am on Command line [15:14] St0n3-C0l: Ahh, what does "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE" tell you? [15:14] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h229n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:14] (alternatively "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" [15:14] God, this discussion is so stupid and unrealistic [15:14] In any case, if you're wrong, I hope you'll have the decency to admit it one day. [15:14] I won't be wrong [15:14] Warning [15:14] error [15:14] But given how religious you are, I don't expect you to. [15:14] (II) Loading extension MIT-Sceen-saver [15:15] I'm not religious [15:15] It's the exact same thing that happened with CPU architectures [15:15] (NI) Not implemented (??) Unknown (WW) Warning (EE) error [15:15] "ZOMG x86 SUCKS! RISC IS SO MUCH BETTER! x86 IS DEAD!!!" [15:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:15] SlacKLnX (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) joined ##slackware. [15:15] St0n3-C0l: right, but some of the lines should start with (EE) - [15:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:15] St0n3-C0l: And then will be followed by an error message. [15:16] nope [15:16] just (EE) Error [15:16] St0n3-C0l: Ok, well, have you run "X -configure" ? [15:18] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:18] eviljames: hello oh evil one [15:18] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:19] acidchild: How goes it? [15:20] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [15:20] eviljames and thrice [15:20] not bad thanks. [15:20] X just worked :) [15:20] after a reboot [15:20] Sweet. [15:20] yourself? [15:20] actually I ran kdm and system hanged [15:20] Now another question. Does kde4 packages include QT inside? [15:20] i dont think so [15:21] I did startx and it looked for libqt [15:21] to start kde4 [15:21] then ? [15:21] install qt [15:21] qt4 is on slackbuilds [15:21] hmm [15:21] Thanks both thrice and eviljames :) [15:21] on -current you should use -current's qt4 though [15:22] Thanks a ton. Bringing me back to some command line work ehe! [15:22] St0n3-C0l: No problem. Have fun! :D [15:22] acidchild: Well, I'm slaving away in the office right now. [15:22] Yeah the fun will only begin if I get to work kde4 smoothly [15:22] :P [15:22] acidchild: At least, I'm pretending to slave away in the office. :D [15:22] ok [15:22] brb [15:22] now i will have to download Qt4 from windows [15:22] :D [15:23] so bye guys and thanks once again. will return soon ehe [15:23] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) left irc: Client Quit [15:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:25] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:26] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:28] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:29] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:29] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [15:30] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [15:30] AzalynX: let's move on to some topics we can agree on: Linux does rock for a number of applications! [15:30] :D [15:30] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [15:30] We may not agree on every application that it is awesome for, but at least we can all agree on that. [15:31] OK, I allready have a /dev/sda used for my hdd where does my flash drive appear? [15:31] what /dev? [15:31] I can do a lsusb and see it [15:31] pirving: probably /dev/sdb, check the output of dmesg [15:31] sdb doesn't work [15:31] tail -f /var/log/dmesg [15:31] Could be uba or it might be usbfs or a few other things. [15:31] and unplug it/replug it [15:32] eviljames: I wasn't the one making absolutist statements. I was asking the opposition to justify their absolute godlike certainty. [15:32] Because I'm sane and realistic [15:32] AzalynX: Leave that debate alone, none of us are going to see eye to eye on it. [15:32] shht! both of you [15:32] eviljames: I already did. [15:32] I was just responding to you. [15:33] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [15:33] sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 [15:33] usb-storage: device scan complete [15:33] Channel flood from pirving -- kicking [15:33] FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) [15:33] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb. [15:33] pirving kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:33] Since you still have misconceptions about my position. [15:33] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] did you get that? [15:33] yes [15:33] AzalynX: I was looking for things we can agree on. You're an optimist, straterra is a realist, blah blah blah. [15:33] pastebin the whole thing though [15:33] pirving: please use pastebin or something. [15:33] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:33] sorry, I thought it could take it [15:33] hmm, how can I fdisk it ? [15:34] cfdisk /dev/sdb [15:34] eviljames: That's a good example of the misconceptions you have. I'm a pragmatist and a critical thinker, I believe everything can be discussed in a civil matter, and above all, I am a *skeptic*. [15:35] My position was that of a skeptic, not an optimist. [15:35] Action: eviljames won't wander down that track again... [15:35] If you saw it as anything else, then you are the one that has biases that you are projecting on me. [15:35] thank you soooo much straterra! I'm on my way! [15:35] Action: straterra must be projecting much more than optimism [15:35] pirving: no problem [15:37] And your biases are quite insulting, I should mention. The implication that you think you can 'read' another person is extremely insulting. Next time if you want to encourage mutual respect, you should take things at face value and not try to read into it. [15:37] moha_ (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-68-167.w86-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] LikeVinyl (n=desdemon@186.18.57.7) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:37] I wasn't trying to encourage mutual respect in the least bit.. [15:37] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] And I am often insulting. That's life. [15:38] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] I don't mean you, you're just an ass, and you will get hurt later in life because of it. [15:38] I am an ass..but I'm also right. :) [15:38] It's easy to be an ass when you're right, though. [15:38] And yes I'll get hurt later in life..That's life [15:38] Everyone gets hurts in life [15:38] It's easier to make an ass out of yourself when you aren't... [15:38] ;) [15:38] That's like saying "You're going to breath" [15:39] ok guys another question. I get this error when trying to format the usb stick http://pastebin.com/m1e8561f3 [15:39] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [15:39] pirving: Need to use /dev/sdb1 I believe. [15:39] eviljames: there was no right or wrong though. [15:39] hence, your statement makes no sense in this context. [15:39] argh, I got trolled into that debate again! [15:39] Action: eviljames stops for real this time. [15:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-215-34.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:40] eviljames: that doesn't work [15:40] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] should I use the -I ignore switch? [15:40] pirving: did you fdisk (cfdisk) /dev/sdb first? [15:41] SlacKLnX (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [15:41] yes it did [15:41] pirving: you created a parition using cfdisk? [15:41] did you write your changes to the disk? [15:41] what is the meaning of the caps lock and scroll lock leds blinking? [15:41] partition^ [15:41] pointing out logical fallacies is trolling. got it. [15:41] yes I wrote the partition [15:41] dissociative: kernel crash? [15:41] pirving: does /dev/sdb1 exist? [15:41] SlacKLnX (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) joined ##slackware. [15:41] dissociative: pretty much death. [15:42] oot@lucille:~# mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sdb1 [15:42] mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) [15:42] I get that [15:42] ahh. i love ignore [15:42] then it goes to prompt [15:42] It happens like 50% of the time that I use my bt878 card to watch tv [15:42] alienBOB: Can that be recovered from with magic sysRq key? [15:42] rhys: Don't ignore me :( [15:42] pirving: it worked [15:42] oh cool [15:42] A kernel crash is that... a crash. you can no recover [15:43] I thought I could see some head and cylinders or something [15:43] s/no /not / [15:43] eviljames, no, crazy christians. they are everywhere. [15:43] or a format percentage thingie [15:43] Yes, that's mature... ignore someone because you don't believe what they believe. [15:43] why can't I argue with a fundamentalist buddahist for once. [15:43] what can I do? [15:43] jkwood, i have enough madness in my life without other peoples. [15:43] Reboot [15:43] and now I'm questioning why I can see you [15:43] jkwood: I think he's referring to the hardcores, not the moderates. [15:44] jkwood: You aren't one of those people who are worried that the gays are marrying to abort you, are you? [15:44] Nope. [15:44] That pretty much excludes you from the "crazy christian" camp. [15:45] alienBOB: It happens some minutes after watching tv with my Hauppauge wintv card [15:45] I think I have tried another bttv card and the same happened [15:45] eviljames, such an arrogant cultish group of people, the lot of em. [15:46] rhys: After re-reading The Prince by Machiavelli, I understand it a whole lot more I think. [15:47] dissociative: once you see the flashing leds you can use a magic SysRq combination to get some more information about the crash. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key for some more info [15:47] alienBOB: Didn't you just tell me that you cannot use magic-sysrq key to recover a touch? [15:47] eviljames, understand that bit. Its really cute. I don't know what I fear more. The atheists don't have a book to feed it to them, so they at times come up with even more madness because they have to make it up themselves. [15:47] anyway, back to work. [15:47] haha, I Refuse to go back to work! [15:47] You can not recover, no. But you can try to determine more about the reasons for the crash [15:48] After reboot, all crash information is lost [15:48] alienBOB: Ah, my verbiage was wrong, but that's closer to what I was thinking. [15:48] eviljames: I tried any sysrq combo but it didnt work [15:49] dissociative: Is it enabled in your kernel? [15:49] yes [15:49] it works when the kernels doesnt goes that way [15:49] paissad_ (n=paissad@140.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] dissociative: I'd guess there's some kind of serious hardware fault going on, but can't be of much more use to you. apologies. [15:50] owww [15:50] looks like my mobo has retarded pci support [15:50] then.. [15:51] wait... [15:51] It never happened when I was doing the same on windows [15:52] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:52] dissociative: maybe "dmesg" can tell you if something is not right - run it right after boot, before your kernel crashes [15:52] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:53] dissociative: Can you force the crash in some way, or does it seem to happen intermittantly? Is it possible that a buffer fills up and pukes all over everything or something of the like? [15:54] Or, your hardware fails because the Hauppauge card's tuner generates too much heat [15:54] Then it would probably fail on Windows too.. [15:55] eviljames, alienBOB: I think that I tried with another brand of bt8x8 card and the same thing did happen [15:55] exactly [15:56] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [15:56] eviljames: the crash happens after some minutes of watching tv with mplayer, then it seems to be triggered when I switch task or begin new tasks [15:57] paissad (n=paissad@53.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:57] could it be a dma issue? [15:58] it the system doesnt lockups I get something like: Eeek memmap count went negative [15:58] If* [15:58] I think I have a log of that somewhere... [16:04] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:09] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [16:09] U-Neeks- (i=555@201-24-55-42.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] U-Neeks- (i=555@201-2-15-101.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:10] G'Afternoon(or evenin' or monin'),folks [16:11] Hi MLanden. How are you? [16:11] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn145.91-127-196.t-com.sk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:12] Doin' fine for the aft'noon,thanks and y'self,firebird619? [16:12] I'm doing great. Thanks. [16:12] nvision (n=nvision@g229121207.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:12] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:15] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:19] kde4 is growing on me [16:20] Usually,Nullboy,with each KDE upgrade..folks just get used to it [16:20] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] I've found very few people who gave KDE 4 a real chance that ended up really disliking it. [16:21] it appears like they have added a compiz section in the desktop options [16:21] looks just like compiz [16:22] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] Kwin compositing is very nice. :) [16:22] Try the snow effect at least once. It's soothing. [16:22] people are going this think it's OSX [16:22] to think* [16:22] Possibly, I guess. [16:22] that just gives me an in to talk to them [16:22] inullboy,able to straighten out the multimedia keys? [16:23] "hey baby, check out my compositor [16:23] " [16:23] sorry..*nullboy [16:23] nullboy: If anyone could pull that off, it'd be you. [16:23] MLanden: manually setting global options for each program yeah [16:23] jkwood: lol [16:24] is keytouch a good alternative? [16:24] keytouch? [16:24] the point is that the kde layout for latitudes worked in kde 3 [16:25] http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/ [16:25] alienbob's got a build I think for 12.1 [16:25] that's not a fix though [16:25] I have a keytouch SlackBuild but the stupid software refused to work with Slackware 12.2 so I gave up [16:26] The author is a jerk too - won't listen to anyone that does not use Gnome [16:26] Xaviertoor (n=Xavierto@189-015-128-236.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:26] that's adding something else to supplement a broken keyboard layout in kde 4 though [16:26] Sexy website. [16:26] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] if i knew how to troubleshoot kde layouts i'd fix it myself [16:26] Hmm... He says that KDE doesn't give you a decent way to work with layouts? He just lost twenty points in my book. [16:26] that's not what i said at all [16:27] thanks on the info,alienbob [16:27] Not you... the keytouch guy. [16:27] You have a valid complaint, as do I. [16:27] i said that the kde layout for dell latitudes worked perfectly in kde 3 but the same layout option in kde 4 doesn't make the multimedia buttons work the same [16:27] The Latitude layout should work for you... and it should show up for me. ;) [16:28] Action: jkwood hangs his hat on 4.2.1 and goes back to work [16:28] it shows up and i can select it but it doesn't line up the multimedia buttons the same. instead of operating on the master channel it operates on the PCM channel and that means it won't globally mute or adjust volume [16:28] thicked (n=root@61.17.164.115) left irc: "Leaving" [16:28] That's really weird. =/ [16:29] i can't have pr0n0 blasting out of my laptop you know, gotta be able to mute [16:29] mingsuse (n=root@61.17.164.115) joined ##slackware. [16:29] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@201-0-209-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [16:29] also, i don't get the nice little OSD volume indicator that kde 3 had [16:29] Can you have http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnMDrv8Mx3E blasting out of your laptop? [16:30] mingsuse (n=root@61.17.164.115) left irc: Client Quit [16:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGXdXcpNsv4 [16:31] just when you thought you could forget about the pixies i go and post that [16:33] I like it. [16:33] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:34] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [16:34] been a while since I heard that choon..:D [16:36] nullboy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0B1sipLBI [16:37] rworkman, fixed my abiword problem with --with-gio=no and I noticed it doesn't like --enable-static=no but other than that it works fine now [16:37] is that some sort of inductor? [16:37] wtf [16:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin [16:39] Randy George is one of the best Theremin players I've found. [16:39] wild [16:39] Ever player FFX? [16:40] nope [16:40] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Too bad. "To Zanarkand" is an amazing performance. [16:41] mm, I played, but never beat it [16:42] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-159-73.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYho56INKU <-- That should be interesting for any gamer [16:43] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:44] pretty cool,jkwood [16:44] I really want to get a theremin. That would be so awesome. [16:46] prebuilt or kit,jkwood? [16:46] as long as you're not my neighbor you can have one [16:47] I haven't thought that far ahead. Whatever is fine by me. [16:47] nullboy: Whyfor? [16:48] it's cool but i can only imagine what a 3am drunken Theremin sesh sounds like [16:49] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] nille__ (n=nille@c-5163e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Heh... You don't have to worry about me doing a 3am drunken anything session. [16:50] my last neighbors played the bango to pirate songs at 3am [16:50] banjo* [16:50] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-215-34.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] Action: MLanden has a weird vision of a stoner jamming out to Spongebob..LOL [16:51] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.63.189) joined ##slackware. [16:51] that's a cool vision [16:52] does anyone know why this route is being added in -current now? 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 [16:52] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [16:52] i have my standard routes but that one is now being added too [16:52] ...i never told my system to do that [16:52] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: Client Quit [16:52] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:52] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [16:53] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: "leaving" [16:53] cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:53] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [16:53] Nick change: jkwood -> a [16:53] Nick change: a -> jkwood [16:53] whats the best radius app? [16:54] really man [16:54] "best" ? [16:54] well I want to have a radius server but don't know what would be a good choice. 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[16:57] aft'noon,cjae [16:58] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-67-81.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:58] I am going to spend some effort to bring the Slackware rc.inet1 (and the Slackware installer too) in line with the new dhcpcd features [16:58] alienBOB: hmm sounds good [16:58] i noticed the large version change [16:59] This dhcpcd has nothing in common with the old one except for (most of) the commandline parameters [16:59] alienBOB: the new dhcpcd was a more or less clean drop in though? [16:59] ah [17:00] It just needs "-L" to stop adding these 169.x.x.x routes [17:00] You can add that to rc.inet1 if you want, I think I will add that to Slackware too [17:01] alienBOB: great, thank you [17:01] j0z (n=JESUS@189-30-184-79.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:01] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. 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[17:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:05] long long time? wheres OldFogie, he has a rival now... [17:05] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [17:05] What was the last version of slackware you used,St0n3-C0l? [17:05] Long time yup! :P [17:05] i guess 9 [17:06] or 10 [17:06] or 11.. [17:06] I actually didn't like kde5 [17:06] kde 3.5 [17:06] lol [17:06] kde5?? [17:06] thats why I opted for GNOME-based distros :D [17:06] little ahead of yourself :P [17:06] haha [17:06] kde 3.5 * u missed the correction [17:06] :P [17:06] St0n3-C0l: you install gnome on slackware? [17:06] fluxnuk3r: No, i discovered about dropline-gnome later. [17:07] ah [17:07] now i want to try out kde4 [17:07] :D [17:07] no thanks. [17:07] haha [17:07] thanks alienBOB, that did the trick [17:07] im using awesome wm.. [17:07] hey nullboy [17:07] which one is it? [17:07] xfce? [17:07] hey [17:07] St0n3-C0l: no...awesome window manager.. [17:08] St0n3-C0l: and XFCE is technically a DE [17:09] is there a way to change the prompt in a terminal emulator to tell you what working directory I am in, instead of having to type pwd? [17:10] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] josemanuel (n=josemanu@75.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:10] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] bbiaw,folks..take care [17:11] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [17:11] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.81.21) joined ##slackware. [17:14] The reason that brought me back to Slackware is Xorg 7.3 ! I can use KDE 4.2 alongwith Xorg 7.3 :) [17:15] so arch is good, huh? [17:15] what's good about it [17:16] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:19] hi, I've got integrate intel 945 grafic, I was using i950 driver, on slackware there is only this one /lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/drivers/video/intelfb ...is that it ? [17:20] Laundry (n=Laundry@c-68-60-117-43.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] that is the framebuffer driver [17:21] then there is no graphic driver other then vesa [17:22] vesa doesn't let me go over 1024 [17:22] uvesafb [17:22] http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=93219732.jpg [17:22] hahahahah, what the shit? [17:23] i can see your confirmation code [17:23] I CAN SEE IT [17:23] SHIT [17:23] I'M DONE [17:24] I should've saved that file [17:24] I can't get it anymore :/ [17:24] eh [17:24] Interesting [17:25] toob ad google is a bastard when it comes to adsense [17:25] Cut me off RIGHT as i was making money becuase I was supposedly posing a risk to advertisers [17:25] whatever [17:25] rhys, ok for intel ? [17:26] cjae: "$man bash" (or your shell of choice) and lookup 'PS1' [17:26] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE75FE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [17:26] root@lucille:/# syslinux /dev/sdb1 [17:26] syslinux: this doesn't look like a valid FAT filesystem [17:27] i really like the kde4 removable stroage widget [17:27] storage* [17:27] cuba, ahh... im in ##slackware, but this should work. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uvesafb also in this wiki article is how to use 915resolution [17:27] cuba, you should be able to translate the howto [17:27] whats wrong? [17:27] pirving: did you format the stick? [17:27] reboot maybe [17:28] way reboot? [17:28] why* [17:28] yes I did, I copied files to it [17:28] nullboy, reboot fixes everything. [17:28] ... [17:28] I try to unmount it. it says it's not mounted, but I can still go to the dir and ls [17:28] I'm gonna try a reboot [17:28] and I'll let you guys know how it goes [17:28] exit [17:28] oh yes, we'll be waiting for your update.... [17:28] NOT [17:29] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers there is no such a driver, there are intel_drv.so, vesa_drv.so, i810_drv.so ...but no uvesafb [17:29] nullboy, its always nice to have an update of situations [17:30] DeeeeP: I am now moving with my laptop in hand to the bathroom [17:30] now i am sitting down [17:30] lol [17:30] nullboy, not that kind of situations [17:30] :) [17:30] this is not twitter :) [17:30] lol [17:31] cuba, uvesafb is not an xorg driver. it is a kernel framebuffer driver [17:32] I didn't locate it anyway :) source code only [17:32] i thought you said you were trying to setup a framebuffer. [17:32] uvesafb is incorporated into the kernel tree [17:32] at least it is now [17:32] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [17:32] try setting your xorg driver option to just intel [17:32] no, ordinary video driver...no problem, I found a good webpage [17:33] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:34] ok, thanks [17:34] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.63.189) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:34] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] ok, the reboot didn't work [17:34] even is I unplug my flash I still see a ghost dir [17:34] which is what i was trying to tell you [17:35] are you stopping it or just yanking it out? [17:35] yanking it out [17:35] lol [17:35] ... [17:35] lol [17:35] hence the ghost dir [17:35] what should I do? I can't umount it [17:35] you know too that even in windows users are supposed to stop removable storage devices before removal? [17:36] so....how do I stop it? [17:36] nullboy, u talking about sdparm --command=stop ? [17:36] no [17:37] pirving: in kde 3 you can just right click the device icon and choose eject [17:37] I don't have kde I have fluxbox [17:37] what does mount show you? [17:37] is there some bug where slack-desc's don't always show when you installpkg? [17:37] eject /dev/whateveritis [17:37] can't get this one to work at all... [17:37] dive: If the slack-desc is badly formatted, then yes. [17:38] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] jkwood, eject does more than a simple unmount ? [17:38] are there illegal characters that shouldn't be used? [17:38] dive: the line count and length is importnt [17:38] important [17:38] DeeeeP: Pretty sure. [17:38] ok I will have a look [17:38] root@lucille:/# syslinux /dev/sdb [17:38] /dev/sdb: No medium found [17:38] dive: If you pastebin the slack-desc, I can probably sort it out. [17:38] sure thanks [17:38] one sec [17:38] read the eject man page [17:39] I did the eject [17:39] that worked [17:39] pirving: what exactly are you trying to do? i will do it too [17:39] the stick is formatted for fat32? [17:39] I'm trying to syslinux a usb stick so I can boot the gentoo cd iso [17:39] Yes fat32 [17:40] nvision (n=nvision@g229121207.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] http://pastebin.ca/1358546 [17:42] pirving: i don't know what you're doing but it works just fine here [17:42] bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.149) joined ##slackware. [17:43] i just formatted a 1GB stick fat32 and ejected it, reinserted, ran syslinux as root and it worked fine [17:44] ls [17:45] I don't know why I am having such an issue [17:45] http://www.motormouthmaul.com/ lol! heres a radio! [17:45] what does syslinux do? [17:46] http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/The_Syslinux_Project [17:46] dive: You need to sed -i s/appname/Aiksaurus/ slack-desc. [17:46] ah of course lol [17:46] Action: dive blames his hangover [17:47] Also, if the name of the package is aiksaurus, it should be aiksaurus. Capitalization matters. [17:47] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA69DD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] hi [17:48] number_three (n=d@adsl-76-252-37-250.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-50-251-55.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] does anybody know how to start a network interface? i installed the driver for my wireless device, but there's no wlan0 in ifconfig -a [17:49] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left irc: "... Leaving , was still at work..." [17:49] ifconfig wlan0 up [17:50] "No such device" [17:51] Laundry: what chipset? [17:51] Interesting. What's the output of /sbin/lspci (in a pastebin, please.) [17:51] also, i'm using slax. i don't know how much of a difference this makes [17:52] the driver is rndis_wlan [17:52] jkwood, thanks - that's another one for sbo [17:52] god [17:52] also, i can't do lspci -- this laptop's usb is broken and the other computer doesn't have internet [17:52] Laundry: this is not slax [17:53] you need to use their own various help channels and forums [17:53] okay [17:55] encoded (n=somedude@reactos/tester/encoded) left ##slackware. [17:57] bazu (n=bazu@95-42-240-85.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [17:58] ok, noob question [17:58] damn qualifying [17:58] i'm going to repartition my hard drive. the swap partition will change... the only thing that i need to update for everything to keep working is the lilo config, right? [17:58] they're all noob questions and we're ok with that [17:59] dionysian: no [17:59] fstab will be broken too [18:00] ah yeah [18:00] ok brb i'm gonna break my computer real quick [18:01] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [18:01] dionysian, reminds me of upgrading freebsd. [18:01] when i do 'init 4', kdm appears and when i log in, it says could not start kdeinit4, check your installation. Then comes back to kdm window [18:02] St0n3-C0l: did you do a full install? [18:02] nullboy: Full install of kde? [18:02] of the OS [18:02] No [18:02] Two CDs [18:02] d1 and d2 [18:03] citizen42alpha (n=kamdf@C-59-100-98-105.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:03] St0n3-C0l: are you using -current? [18:03] kde4 isn't in 12.2 [18:03] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:03] i've downloaded 12.2 [18:03] but then installed pkgs [18:03] did you follow the kde4 installation instructions? [18:03] kde 4.2.1 [18:04] or did you just install over kde3? [18:04] i didn't install kde3 [18:04] i read somewhere that it had to be fresh install so i didn't do kde3 [18:04] and downloaded kde4 packages [18:04] where did you get kde4 packages? [18:04] Slackware-current [18:04] ... [18:04] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left ##slackware. [18:04] did i mess up ? :D [18:05] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-222.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:05] noob question...in a slackbuild script, what is the difference between $VERSION and ${VERSION}? [18:05] renew: nothing [18:05] nullboy: ok, thanks [18:05] it's put in brackets so that it doesn't have some conflict with other chars, i believe [18:06] ${VERSION} ducks outside the script looking for variables. [18:06] ah [18:06] hmmm, interesting [18:06] $VERSION echos me nothing .. should i have this variable ? [18:06] St0n3-C0l: for starters, never mix packages across versions. [18:06] DeeeeP: ... [18:06] I really wouldn't use ${VERSION}. [18:06] are you working with slackbuild scripts? [18:06] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-140-152.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] nope , tought is was a system var [18:07] that should be a script-specific thing. [18:07] hackedhead, thanks [18:07] right [18:07] back [18:07] ${ARCH} makes sense, though. [18:07] cjae: np [18:07] SlacKLnX (n=LNX@85.139.11.6) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [18:07] jkwood: I think you mix something up here [18:08] I'm looking at the opera slackbuild from slackbuilds.org and at the tar line there is $PRGNAM-${VERSION}-* [18:08] jkwood: ${ARCH} != ${ARCH:-something} [18:08] nullboy: But it was only on -current :) [18:08] Oh, right. [18:08] St0n3-C0l: .... [18:08] check slackware.com announcements [18:08] St0n3-C0l: fail. [18:08] lol [18:08] Action: jkwood is not thinking straight [18:09] ${ARCH:-x86_64} sets the variable if it isn't set in the environment. [18:09] St0n3-C0l: again, don't mix packages between versions unless you know what you are doing [18:09] jkwood: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8919 [18:09] renew: it's to make sure it takes $VERSION as variable and not $VERSION- or something else [18:09] jkwood: yeah, I 'm familiar with that usage [18:09] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA69DD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:10] Oh, there it is. [18:10] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:10] renew: that way you can do something like ${PRGNAM}${VERSION} [18:10] pprkt, that makes sense [18:10] which wouldn't be possible otherwise [18:11] thanks guys [18:11] np [18:11] so i was close [18:12] yes [18:13] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) left irc: "[BX] St0n3-C0l has left the building" [18:13] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:13] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.37) joined ##slackware. [18:14] kitche (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [18:17] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [18:17] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:17] nullboy: Somehow, I ran kdeinit4 and it displayed me a library error, I downloaded that package and it worked. Now KDE is loading but in the splash after showing first harddisk, it goes back to KDM. [18:18] because you broke your system [18:18] Hmm. [18:18] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.61.175) joined ##slackware. [18:18] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Now I should go and properly search kde4.2.1 for slackware 12.2 [18:18] :D [18:19] rhys (n=rhys@dolphinmancer1.meds.cwru.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [18:19] Anyways [18:19] thanks for the help [18:19] bye take care :) [18:19] St0n3-C0l (n=root@unaffiliated/st0n3/x-000000001) left irc: Client Quit [18:21] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [18:21] running -current, getting repeated errors in /var/log/messages 'dbus-daemon: Rejected send message'. put a few of the errors at http://pastebin.com/m45b264e9 [18:21] nullboy, finally "intel" was enough [18:22] cuba: told you man [18:22] nullboy: do you have any .new files in /etc ? [18:22] number_three ^ [18:22] find /etc -name '*.new' [18:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:23] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Nick change: Gargantu -> Gargantua [18:25] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] now I'm facing hopefully last problem, virtualbox-ose from SBo generated no /rc.d/ files, though everything went pretty smoothly [18:26] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] rc.vboxdrv only...from virtualbox-kernel installation [18:27] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-200-201-93.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.81.21) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:29] http://coolstorybro.net/1236795581372.jpg [18:29] Shit wrong channel [18:29] wow, gay [18:29] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Greetings Programs! [18:30] thrice`: doesn't make it false ;) [18:30] hehe [18:31] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.188.112) joined ##slackware. [18:32] NyteOwl: Salutations [18:34] cuba: ? [18:34] Evenin',NyteOwl [18:35] this system has been running -current for 2 years...i wonder if there is a point at which one should just do a clean install [18:35] i reinstall at every release, typically [18:35] pprkut, so it probably shouldn't :) but anyway ./usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox >>> Unknown application - VBox [18:36] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:36] cuba: that's not supposed to be executed...it would be in /usr/bin otherwise.... [18:36] at leat not executed directly [18:37] You can't run it directly. [18:37] there should be one rc-file in /etc/rc.d, rc.vboxdrv. But it is included in -ose, not in -kernel [18:37] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:38] pprkut, if I look at the /tmp/vb package, there is no /bin directory [18:38] => /usr <= /bin [18:38] and that should all be symlinks in there I think [18:38] neither there [18:38] just run VirtualBox in terminal [18:38] no bin at all [18:38] razec_ (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [18:39] after you installed the package, of course [18:39] if that fails, we can go on [18:39] god, VirtualBox is there...my apologies :) [18:40] np [18:40] pprkut, I hate when these kinda scripts start with upper case letter [18:41] one tries to locate it and then starts to think something went wrong :) [18:42] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [18:42] finally it starts 'V' [18:42] Most people run it from a menu. ;) [18:43] of course, checking out which files virtualbox installed in /var/log/packages/ is a good way to see [18:44] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:44] anyone ever have anything shipped by UPS that was COD (cash on delivery)? [18:44] does anyone know when the kde compat packages come into play? [18:44] those ones added to -current recently [18:44] Action: NyteOwl got a notice that he had a zero balance on ana ccount bu that there would be a new annual fee of and the new annual interest rate was 29.99% (.01 short of being illegal) for an account that was closed over a year ago. talk about efficiency [18:45] and is it a good habit to keep the /tmp/SBo/* ? [18:45] nullboy: to run apps not yet ported to kde4? [18:45] what i want to ask is, will the UPS guy accept cash money or does he require a money order or cashier's check? [18:45] cuba: in some cases it is a must [18:46] ananke, around? [18:46] Pig_Pen: call UPS and ask [18:46] nullboy, ouch, because I was running out of space in /tmp during q4 installation and I had to quickly remove some packages [18:46] No. /tmp/SBO can go. When is it required nullboy? A hidden dependency [18:46] ? [18:46] ok [18:46] cuba: when you build hostapd from SBo you need the madwifi sources if you want hostapd to support that driver, you can set the hostapd script to use the /tmp/SBo dir... [18:47] nullboy: yeah those compat packages seem to be used for applications not ported to kde4 yet [18:47] Pig_Pen: seriously I don't know. I know the Post Office willt ake cash but not sure about UPS. They have a 24hr toll free so ... [18:48] aha [18:48] kitche / thrice`: i suppose i'll figure that out soon enough, when something breaks [18:48] guys, i was thinking about buying a netbook, any recommendation? [18:48] nullboy: nothing on native kde4 will need them, but if you want to run a kde3 app (say, a working k3b, konversation), it won't work [18:48] that's probably why i'm having serious issues with k3b right now [18:48] work without the compat* [18:49] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] nachox: I am unable to choose for 8 months now... [18:49] p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } The application K3b (k3b) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV). [18:49] nachox:cloud computing? gaming? [18:49] i just called UPS, they want a money order or certified cashier's check [18:49] k3b-qt4 does not work properly yet [18:49] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [18:49] MLanden, basic web browsing [18:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) joined ##slackware. [18:50] MLanden, i want something with a good battery life, and a decent screen [18:51] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:51] nullboy, and if I change the TMP variable in the slackbuild script, the dependencies will adapt I presume [18:52] nachox: eee pc 1000h perhaps? [18:52] That is the one I favour at the moment [18:52] nachox: with so many brands coming onto the market,it's hard to decide... http://www.liliputing.com/ is a good start [18:53] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [18:53] Or the 904HA if you are OK with a 8.9"screen instead of 10" [18:53] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-208-72.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Both havea 6600 mAH battery which means 7 hours of slacking [18:54] marcos_ (n=marcos@201-89-215-18.ctaje701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:54] bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.149) left irc: "Quit" [18:54] I have a 12" screen on my lappy and find it "cramped" [18:55] cuba: TMP=/my/tmp/dir ./my.SlackBuild [18:55] Is there any Linux distribution which is mainly development oriented...having many languages and libraries in it? [18:55] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] sh0ne: slackware [18:56] marcos_ (n=marcos@201-89-215-18.ctaje701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [18:56] bazu (n=bazu@95-42-240-85.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] yes I know that, I use it at home for a long time...but I'm at girlfriend's place now and I wonder is there any Linux distro of around 700MB that is development oriented [18:57] karioka_pr (n=marcos@201-89-215-18.ctaje701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:57] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:57] so I can download it now [18:58] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [18:58] Madkento_ (n=kento@tutts.ost.sgsnet.se) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:58] alienBOB, the 900 is nice, and it is not THAT expensive [18:58] here at least [18:58] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:59] The 900 does not have an Atom CPU and has no great battery. The 904HA does, and has [18:59] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [18:59] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] It is a bit more expensive but not too much [18:59] really? what does it have? [19:00] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:01] damn, the 1000ha has too big a disk... [19:01] Good comparison (at least for dutch people but you will find it interesting too): http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/688 [19:02] nachox: everything that came after the 901 does not have solid state disk I think [19:02] Action: Razec hi all [19:03] number_three (n=d@adsl-76-252-37-250.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[19:40] After porting my system from an unencrypted reiserfs to a LUKS+LVM jfs system.. everything has sped up significantly.. which is a very pleasing surprise :) [19:41] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-433394.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:42] alkos333: do you have your configuration files available anywhere? [19:42] how do you guys restarting alsa if something goes wrong? is it possible through kde's arts ? or alsadriver reloading or something ? [19:42] jkwood: you're a saint :D [19:42] alkos333: that sounds like nice stuff and interests me :P [19:43] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-176-63.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Pig_Pen: That I am, despite my shortcomings. But I think you define that differently than I do? [19:44] Anjo_Malvado: What config files exactly [19:44] Anjo_Malvado: Yes, I got my RAID 1 external enclosure with two 1TB WD black cavier HDs running LUKS+LVM+JFS as well :) [19:45] alkos333: I don't know, the ones for LUKS+LVM+JFS, or did you just follow some tutorial? [19:45] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:45] cuba: You could modprobe -r, followed by a new modprobe, but more likely you want to restart arts [19:46] cuba: Can be done from the KDE "System Settings" area [19:47] Anjo_Malvado: Basically, just read README_LVM.TXT and README_CRYPT.TXT on your Slack CD [19:47] Anjo_Malvado: Or here for instance: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/ [19:48] It's co cool, knowing that your entire system is encrypted :) [19:48] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.52.74) joined ##slackware. [19:48] Gives you a feeling of confidentiality :P [19:48] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] eviljames, there is "Sound System" only and that is disabled :) [19:49] cuba: That would mean arts is not running at all, what is going wrong, no sound output? [19:49] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] jkwood: Can I elect you to sainthood? [19:51] eviljames: Well, according to my definition, I already am one; According to the Catholic definition, I have to be dead for 50 years first; And according to the general populace's version, I'm not likely to get there. [19:51] konus (n=cfa@staticline2725.toya.net.pl) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [19:52] Elect away, though. [19:52] Action: eviljames votes +1 jkwood sainthood [19:52] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:52] alkos333: oh, ok, cool :D [19:52] i like the version # in -current's installer [19:52] Slackware 12.34567890 [19:52] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [19:53] eviljames, no, everything's fine, sometime after some flash in browser the device is kinda bussy... [19:53] and ext4 is in the fs options now too [19:53] floyy (n=floyy@unaffiliated/floyy) joined ##slackware. [19:53] cuba: I'm pretty sure if you're using flash you want arts to be running, otherwise it grabs the sound card and doesn't like to let go. [19:53] <[cipher]> eviljames, howdy [19:53] Right before reports of ext4 causing major data loss. Lovely. [19:54] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] eviljames, ok, but everything really goes well...this is first time after a month I encountered any sound problem..on opensuse&ubuntu it was every day [19:54] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] [cipher]: g'day. [19:55] jkwood: really? where? [19:55] jkwood: Yeah, I saw that on reddit the other day. Teddy T'So is having mass data loss or something? [19:55] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Not that anybody should knock that dude's work, as I understand he's pretty well top notch. [19:55] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Client Quit [19:56] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-159-73.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [19:56] ok drive repartitioned [19:56] looks good [19:56] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-123.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] eviljames jkwood are you guys serious? [19:57] even under 2.6.28.7? [19:57] Yes. [19:57] nullboy: sec, I'll get a link for you. [19:57] great [19:57] time to stop the install and reformat [19:58] nullboy: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/45 [19:58] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:58] eviljames, so the only way is to remove and add a module ? if I don't want to use the arts ? [19:58] nullboy: That's from Theodore T'So himself. [19:58] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:58] err.\ [19:58] nullboy: That's pretty neat, but no thank you - I'll stick with JFS :) [19:58] s/T'So/Ts'o/g [19:58] I got that wrong ;( [19:58] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:59] http://www.h-online.com/open/Possible-data-loss-in-Ext4--/news/112821 [20:00] Laziness saves the day again :D [20:00] "Ts'o says that the application should be fixed so it does not write and rewrite small files" [20:00] That is -BS- [20:00] eviljames: so there goes all logging :) [20:01] kitche: yeah, and /etc, and .kde etc. etc. [20:01] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: " akryl är typ plugnplay och olja är typ DOS" [20:01] wait what? [20:01] ext4 problems? [20:01] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:01] dionysian: ext4 can cause data loss, examine links from jkwood and myself above. [20:02] that's garbage [20:02] i just created ext4 partitions [20:02] ffs [20:02] dionysian: You aren't the only one. the nullinator just had to stop a reinstall. [20:03] all filesystems are subject to dataloss [20:03] twolf: yes but not when data is being written to it the data gets loss [20:03] urgh, I'd like to continue this, but I have to go home now. be back in an hour. [20:03] i just used a gparted live usb to repartition [20:03] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] decided i'd try ext4 [20:05] Isn't that quite a common feature of filesystems now? [20:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:05] Is it really that big a probleM? [20:06] it seems like if you're crashing enough for the loss of some temp files to seriously affect you, you have bigger problems :\ [20:06] common feature? which one? [20:06] the delayed writing [20:06] yep, i just restarted my install using ext3 instead [20:06] lot's of filesystem have it [20:07] I dunno, I kinda agree with Ts'o actually :\ [20:07] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@187.5.193.169) left irc: "bbl" [20:08] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [20:08] eviljames, so the arts was down cause the driver was down [20:08] agree with him when he says what? [20:09] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.52.74) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] on a semi related note, do any of you have experience with devices larger than 2TB? what do you use to fdisk those? [20:09] floyy (n=floyy@unaffiliated/floyy) left irc: "lier!" [20:10] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:10] fdisk [20:11] dionysian: that it's more application bad-habits than bad FS design [20:11] fdisk doesn't support devices larger than 2TB [20:11] ananke, many partitions and an lvm? :) [20:11] it's a bad habit to save files? [20:11] nachox : that would be easy, if you could _create_ those partitions :) [20:12] ananke, zfs? :D [20:12] no it's a bad habit to save lots of little files [20:12] that's the problem here. fdisk/sfdisk/cfdisk seem to have issues with devices of that size [20:12] vim ? :D [20:12] more seriously, gparted could work (note that I find gparted unreliable) [20:13] indeed, that's one of the options. parted, rather than gparted, but still [20:14] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] greetings and salutations [20:14] should i consider k3b broken in -current for the time being? [20:15] i tried installing the kde compat packages too, didn't help [20:15] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:15] I'm going to tentatively say yes. [20:15] hmm, parted is quite retarded [20:15] yeah [20:15] you're a poet and you didn't know it! [20:15] actually, s/quite // [20:16] ananke, now seriously, you need EFI for those disks, parted is pretty much everything you've got in linux [20:16] 'EFI'=? [20:16] so the ext4 problem is really only if your system crashes when there's some files waiting to be written? [20:17] Extensible Firmware Interface [20:17] an intel crap [20:17] dionysian, not even crash but "complete loss of power" [20:17] isn't that an Apple crap nachox? [20:17] even a kernel panic shouldn't cause such problems [20:17] the actual EFI feature is called GPT [20:17] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:17] where do you think apple got it from? [20:18] so if somebody trips over the power cord and unplugs you from the wall, you might have a problem? [20:18] kitche, apple has been using efi for several years now but that is not apple crap, it's much broader and could be in any computer (I think I've actually used one that had it) [20:18] dionysian, exactly [20:19] yep, looks like one of the LUNs i got has that gpt [20:19] if you have some badly written app that is currently 'writing' [20:19] Action: Camarade_Tux needs to sleep, good night :) [20:19] Camarade_Tux: I believe some vendors revolted against the idea since it would lock into Windows some vendors like to let their customers have options :) [20:20] I'm not sure windows XP supports efi actually... [20:20] now, I really need to go to bed ;) [20:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:21] now here's an example of why parted is retarded: you type 'mklabel gpt'. it tells you that the current label on the disk will be destroyed, and asks you to confirm with yes/no. guess what the next question is: what type of label do you want [20:21] hehe [20:21] and the default is 'msdos', despite the fact that you told it 'mklabel gpt' [20:21] wtf kind of crackhead came up with that [20:21] in other words, the mklabel command doesn't accept arguments? [20:21] not to mention you cannot label a 2tb lun with msdos... [20:22] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] mklabel,mktable LABEL-TYPE create a new disklabel (partition table) [20:22] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:23] http://pastebin.com/dffe0ad0 <- and here's the session [20:24] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:26] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] ananke, i think that "parted: invalid token: gpt" actually meant something was wrong with the arguments :) [20:28] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:28] you'd think so, yet 'gpt' works when entered at the prompt [20:29] i could just skip the partitions, and use the entire luns as PVs, but partitions are just so nice for indicating 'hey, there may be some data here' [20:29] yeah.... well, brain damage :) [20:31] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:32] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] bakkkkkkk [20:33] ugh [20:33] day out in hell ... er i mean the real world [20:33] straterra: alives ? [20:33] but this works: parted -s /dev/mapper/mpathg mklabel gpt [20:34] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:35] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [20:36] tecky: jes [20:36] /dev/mapper/mpathg? [20:37] nachox : yes. multi-pathing via device-mapper [20:37] tntslack (n=will@adsl56-24.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:37] vendor agnostic linux approach to multipathing [20:38] 'g' in this case is the n-th path, you start with mpatha, mpathb, and so on [20:38] i didnt even know linux had that feature, every time i saw multipath in linux i was presented with solaris like disk numbers [20:38] I found out about alternate routing tables last week [20:38] Make things a lot easier.. [20:39] nachox : like what? [20:40] rworkman: ping [20:40] something like c0t0d34354 [20:41] nachox : huh? are you sure you're talking about linux? :) [20:42] i've been using different multipath solutions on linux for awhile, never seen the controller-tsomething-disk-slice nomenclature [20:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:45] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:46] ananke, QLogic [20:47] v4nelle (n=van@adsl79-53.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:48] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:49] nachox : so it was some kind of vendor specific solution? [20:49] yep [20:49] yeah, that's why [20:50] Can I make top update faster? [20:50] it seems so, since i had not seen the device mapper doing what you showed me [20:50] -d, neermind. 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[20:59] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [21:00] brb in a min ... gonna boot up the laptop [21:00] straterra: your gonna have to get me info for CS:S [21:00] why do you have to pretend to have a laptop [21:00] just be happy with the desktop that you have. [21:00] is the a way to use cp to copy everything except for files starting with . (hidden files and dirs) [21:00] i dont want to! [21:00] brb (detaching) [21:01] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [21:01] binskipy2u (n=binskipy@191.129.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:01] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "buh!!" [21:01] hey guys.. how do you "update slackware" to ~current? [21:02] is there a how-to somewhere, i looked at the site [21:02] there's LOTS Of updates [21:02] nullboy, isnt that the default behavior? [21:02] binskipy2u: upgradepkg --install-new *tgz would work [21:02] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:02] binskipy2u: It may not work perfectly, but it would work. [21:02] kde 4.2.1 and lots of other stuff [21:02] is in current now [21:03] nachox: i have a home directory and i want to recursively copy everything out of that directory except files that start with a . [21:03] rsync --exclude=.* /source /destdir [21:03] TriniTuX: rsync -aPv --exclude=.* source/ destdir :D [21:04] Action: eviljames likes -P [21:04] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] evil is that going to get the current from mirrors? [21:04] that command [21:04] hey folks [21:04] binskipy2u: nope, that's not the (default) slackware way. [21:04] hello again, Cotowar_... [21:04] kool [21:04] what is the default slackware way [21:04] im reading the site, i installed 12.0 long ago [21:04] but i was thinking about 12.2 then updating [21:05] im using kubuntu on a nice machine, but i'm thinking slack will be faster [21:05] the default slackware way is to read the UPGRADE.txt that comes with each release [21:05] chances are, slackware won't be much faster for you to care [21:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.163.55) left irc: "leaving" [21:05] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] so i got the slackware .iso, and finally got it into my VM, but all it says is isolinux 3.52 copyright 2007 H. Peter Alvin [21:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [21:06] ananke: not so. the other day I was mentioning to Cotowar (I think) that a friend of mine enjoyed slackware because it "got out of the way" compared to ubuntu. [21:06] rsync --exclude=.* omits the whole dir [21:06] ananke: The other comment he made was that he noticed an immediate 30% speedup by switching. [21:06] hmmm [21:06] bahahahahaha wOOPS. [21:06] nullboy: my bad :D [21:06] eviljames : how does that have anything to do with this discussion? [21:06] or no [21:06] yea, i was reading about that. it sounds very nice, but very intimidating [21:06] ananke: You said "Slackware won't be much faster for you to care" [21:06] ananke: That may not be so. [21:06] eviljames : indeed, i did. that has nothing to do with 'slackware getting out of your way' [21:07] ananke: The first half was pre-amble :D [21:07] not to mention, that 30% is a made up figure [21:07] Absolutely, I probably should've said "maybe not so." [21:07] reading the upgrade.txt now.. sounds like a lot of work.. lol.. i dont care much about how things work under the hood, just care if they work [21:08] binskipy2u: you are the same binskipy as on LQ [21:08] rsync -rlt I thinks...I forget [21:08] LQ? [21:08] binskipy2u : indeed, that's a lot of work, in comparison to other distros [21:08] binskipy2u: linuxquestions.org [21:08] is there a return for the work as compared to other distros [21:08] yeah [21:08] binskipy2u : depends on your definition of 'return' [21:09] brb coffee time [21:09] binskipy2u: right, how new are you to slackware and to linux in general? [21:09] im not new to linux [21:09] but i use the lazy peoples distros, started with pclinuxos, zenwalk, ubuntu ultimate, kubuntu, and read lots of tweaking sites [21:09] is there even really a reason for you wanting to use ~current? [21:10] and i installed slackware 12.1 [21:10] frullet: "ZOMG SHINY NEW VERSION" Syndrome. ;) [21:10] had it for a month.. [21:10] binskipy2u : what's your final goal? [21:10] yes BP [21:10] sorry to say [21:10] kde 4.2, of course [21:10] im using 4.2.1 now [21:10] binskipy2u: did you even read what I posted? [21:10] proberly not yet, havent checked mail [21:10] brb [21:10] binskipy2u : if you're interested in new shiny things, slackware is hardly the distro for you [21:10] i did what binskipy2u did, except i picked different distros to play with [21:10] nachox: hmm i think you're right [21:10] wtf was i thinking about [21:10] BP{k}: hey, maybe he actually has shiny new version syndrome. [21:10] hmm I need more beer for this. [21:10] nullboy, ? [21:11] lol [21:11] ananke: howdy, how goes? :) [21:11] nachox: cp -r seems to handle it fine [21:11] linux is linux isnt it? cept for package managment and philosophy [21:11] BP{k} : ohh, just fine. fighting with some large storage right now [21:11] BP{k}: i have a case of it sitting in my kitchen :) [21:11] nullboy, oh, see? i'm cool :P [21:11] better then the "other" gorilla in the room [21:11] binskipy2u : ohh god, not that pointless slogan again [21:11] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-6ca772d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: [21:11] eviljames, do you know if the type of Linux OS you select matters when you create the VMI in Vbox? [21:11] frullet: nice :) I have a bottle of hoegaarden wheat beer :) [21:11] ananke: oh the fun :) [21:12] Cotowar_: Not to my knowledge. [21:12] hmmm [21:12] ananke, parted has not yet worked? [21:12] 1 sec, ill show you my screen [21:12] BP{k}: You have inspired me, later I will go to the store and get a 6-er of hoegaarden :D [21:12] :D [21:12] eventually we'll get about 200TB of that storage, today i just got 6 2.4TB luns [21:13] eviljames, good call [21:13] eviljames: BP{k} is really good at peer pressure [21:13] ananke: nice :) [21:13] nachox : it did, i'm trying to figure out how to tell it 'create a partition from 0 to the end of device' [21:13] BP{k} : there's over 1PB of storage where that's coming from :) [21:13] You do it like this: "zpool create tank raidz2 " ;) [21:14] ananke, i'd already have used the whole disk as a pv, much faster :P [21:14] god, not solaris. in fact solaris is what caused me multipathing issues for two days [21:15] hehe [21:15] nachox : and like i said, having partitions there would be a nicer warning flag to whomever happens to access those luns [21:15] ananke, you mean random garbage is not enough? :) [21:15] Hmmmm....I've never run solaris, tried lots of bsds. Is it any good? [21:15] seriously. the storage admin who carved me out those luns has set the host os to solaris. that caused major multipathing issues on linux [21:15] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:15] hitest : yes, it's good [21:16] ty [21:16] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [21:16] binskipy2u (n=binskipy@191.129.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] oh, i was surprised using solaris multipath would cause you issues, its the solaris-linux interaction... [21:16] eviljames, http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj342/cotowar/Screenshot-4.png ever seen that at startup before? [21:17] its just stuck there. keyboard and mouse are both non functional [21:17] nachox : i think whatever this ibm storage does, when set up for solaris multipathing, is very odd. on linux i was seeing tons of I/O errors on one of the paths [21:17] Back [21:17] the admin guessed i was running solaris, since it's a sun box [21:17] see ... i has laptop :P [21:18] Cotowar_: That's the boot loader of the iso. [21:18] ananke, hehe, you had him reconfigure it? [21:18] okay... what do i do from here? I've only dealt with grub and XP in VM's [21:18] Cotowar_: I've heard of it hanging before, but don't have a lot to offer as to why. [21:18] dang [21:18] alright [21:18] Cotowar_: There should be more coming, perhaps wait a minute? [21:18] Cotowar_: Or does it hang like that indefinitely? [21:19] its been up like 5 mins already [21:19] btw, did you finally buy a netbook? [21:19] nachox : yeah. campus network services spent half a day tracing and changing fiber cables, checking patch panels, etc. after we ran direct connection from the storage to my server, the problem persisted. at that point we decided to look at the storage configuration [21:19] nachox, im getting one with my taxes [21:19] Cotowar_: And, if so, do you have enough RAM allocated to the VM? [21:19] Cotowar_: And, if so, is ACPI, IO APIC, VT-x etc enabled? (try turning them all off) [21:19] ananke, ouch! [21:20] eviljames, i have 1GB for the VM, 1 GB for the host. oh yea...that should do it. thanks. I'm pretty decent in VBox, but forgot the setup crap. [21:20] speaking of vbox, they have a mac version now. it's nice [21:20] Does it have 3D acceleration? [21:21] hmph [21:21] eviljames : yes [21:21] yea it does [21:21] straterra: alive??? [21:22] got it running windows xp on my work imac. i tried to convert my vmware fusion image, but that was a full bucket of fail [21:22] i saw you type hooker! [21:22] boot order was wrong in the virtual BIOS. that could do it too. it was looking for a floppy drive that didnt exist [21:24] like in grandma's boy *you're* a hooker! [21:24] lol null [21:24] about how long should it take? shouldn't it go rather fast as an initial install? [21:25] kitche (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:26] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon129291.tstt.net.tt) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]" [21:27] bbiab [21:27] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:28] gar0t0 (n=tiago@189-69-91-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:28] do you think i can install something like pclinuxos just to get to a desktop and then install the slackware .iso from there? [21:28] Cotowar_ : nope [21:29] in a VM i cant do that? are you sure? [21:29] hi all [21:29] hey [21:29] gar0t0: Hi. How are you? [21:29] Cotowar_ : vm is not the problem behind your idea [21:29] firebird619: fine tks, and u ? [21:29] what is? does slackware not install like that? [21:29] gar0t0: great. Thanks. [21:30] Cotowar_ : very few operating systems will install that way [21:30] hmmm, if you run the live cd on a standard ubuntu cd, you can go straight into the install from the live CD desktop [21:31] firebird619: :) [21:31] Cotowar_ : that claim doesn't negate my statement [21:31] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] true, but i would assume the same to be true of slackware. it seems superior in every other sense, why not have that same functionality? [21:32] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:32] or how about slax? is that not the same thing? [21:32] uhmm, 'superior'? that's an interesting way of putting it. [21:32] Cotowar_, google for ubuntu wubi [21:32] hm [21:32] firebird619: are you a bot ? [21:32] slackware is not superior when it comes to the number of features, and this counts as a feature [21:32] install some other linux OS, then expect it to install slackware on top of itself? [21:32] that won't work with *anything* [21:32] gar0t0: No, I am not a bot. Someone else thought that today as well. [21:33] firebird619: hehe ok [21:33] :) [21:33] were all bots, nobody is human in here :D [21:33] Urchlay, that is not so, i did it with ubuntu 8.10 two days ago. [21:34] Cotowar_: ehm, you installed some other (non-ubuntu) OS, then from within it, you started the ubuntu installer? [21:34] it restarts the machine and boots into the installer, letting you get down to business [21:34] or you installed ubuntu on your hard drive(s), then started some other distro's installer from within ubuntu? [21:34] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Urchlay, wait...no. my bad, you can't be in an os and install another os, i was in the live cd. [21:35] wtf why is it hanging... [21:36] right, that works, cause ubuntu's designed to do that... but slackware isn't [21:36] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] hmmm [21:36] well, sort-of. If you count the slackware install CD/DVD as a minimalist "live CD", then yah it does work :) [21:36] uhhhh [21:36] im just trying to get it to install into a vm... :( why wont it go?! [21:37] i have vbox 2.1.4, and i have 1GB RAM, 10GB fixed HDD space, and the slackware 12.2 .iso loaded as the CD drive to read. it should start and go right into the install right? [21:38] Offtopic: When people say they don't know how to cook, what they really mean is they can't follow a list of directions, aka can't rtfm [21:38] Cotowar_: well it should go right to a login prompt (that's normal for a slackware install CD) [21:38] http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj342/cotowar/Screenshot-4.png is my screen [21:39] Cotowar_: how long has it been sitting there looking like that? [21:39] it hangs right there indefinitely [21:39] that ain't right [21:39] had it going for like 6 minutes, then i restarted it and it still hangs [21:39] eh, I'm no expert on vbox though, no idea what the trouble is [21:39] started futzing with settings, and nothing seems to be going. [21:39] does it let you specify what cpu to emulate? maybe try an older one, p1 or p2 [21:40] ill take a look, ive never seen that in here before [21:40] have you installed any other OS in a vm in vbox before? [21:40] yea, its a breeze [21:41] iirc i had to do that in qemu for something that i don't recall... [21:41] ive done xp a few times for people, and a lot of linux distros for myself to play in. i tried qemu but thats an emulator not a vm [21:41] qemu translates the guest commands to the host, and the host controls the hardware [21:42] vbox gives the guest direct hardware access [21:42] well, sort of. [21:42] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-176-63.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:43] idk though. i tried changing the image to gentoo, and it seems to work fine. gentoo is slackware based right? [21:43] no [21:43] absolutely [21:43] qemu does partial virtualization. there are some things it falls back to emulation for. [21:43] hm, thought qemu by itself was 100% emulation, you had to run kqemu to get partial virtualization [21:44] (been a long while since I messed with qemu though) [21:44] thats what i thought ^^ [21:45] in fact I was running it on a PPC mac running Linux, with windows 2000 (x86) as the guest OS, so I know damn well it was 100% emulated at the time :) [21:45] and any other .iso i try is good in the install. should i maybe just try a different mirror? maybe my .iso is a bad image? [21:45] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [21:45] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-110-115.dyn.iinet.net.au) got netsplit. [21:45] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) got netsplit. [21:45] grazymax (n=grazymax@host66-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got netsplit. [21:45] Spiko (i=Spiko@89-212-211-117.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) got netsplit. [21:45] ecks-_ (n=explicit@c-24-19-202-155.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. 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[21:47] yeah [21:47] i got xp performance on a 400Mhz P2 [21:47] wouldn't attempt 95 or greater on a 386 [21:47] LSD`_ (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:47] lol [21:47] yea my P2 box lags out just moving the mouse... its terrible [21:48] actually when win95 first came out my idiot roommate at the time "upgraded" our 386 from 3.1 to 95 [21:48] but okay, i have the .iso md5sum file, what do i do with it? do i just throw it in the same folder as the slackware.iso? [21:48] oooh. id have been pissed [21:49] we had 4 megs of RAM and a video card with 256K... could only do 640x480 at 4-bit color [21:49] I *was* pissed [21:49] and do md5sum -c sumfile [21:49] with windows 3.1 the thing was somewhat useful... win95 would boot, but not much else [21:50] bryjen, what goes with that and? [21:50] jescis (n=jescis@98.80.28.196) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:50] i think we chucked all our 386s in the same round of upgrades that took us to '95 [21:50] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:461) returned to ##slackware. [21:50] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) returned to ##slackware. [21:50] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) returned to ##slackware. [21:50] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) returned to ##slackware. [21:50] hexoroid (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) returned to ##slackware. [21:50] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-136-207-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) returned to ##slackware. [21:50] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) returned to ##slackware. [21:50] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: " akryl är typ plugnplay och olja är typ DOS" [21:50] im assuming i should cd to the right spot first. then try it? [21:50] 466/33's FTW! ;) [21:50] bryjen: I was one of the people who got the hand-me-down 386s that everyone was chucking :) [21:50] I did not ever have a 386 [21:50] never had a 386, im too young for that [21:51] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) got lost in the net-split. [21:51] 486 is where I started [21:51] Action: bryjen gets out his cane [21:51] Action: Urchlay started on a 6502 [21:51] Action: panzer shoots the cane [21:51] and passes it to Urchlay ;) [21:51] I had a XT. [21:51] i dont even know where i came in, i only started getting into computers a couple years ago...before that i was a windows mouse clicker [21:51] dammmit you young whippersnappers, get off my lawn! [21:51] (which I converted to a 286) [21:52] it has a 4MB hard drive, too [21:52] I really started getting into it with the P3 450 I had. [21:52] that has been upgraded to a grand total of 500mhz [21:52] XT had that nice roomy case? or am I thinking of the original AT? [21:52] Urchlay: roomy enough. [21:52] the AT had a wicked case on it [21:52] had one that was big enough for a kitten to crawl inside and go to sleep in it [21:52] Urchlay: it had a 40W PSU [21:53] lol [21:53] thats not even enough to power a celeron... [21:53] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:53] the kitty and I were both suprised as hell when I powered the machine on... [21:53] hahah [21:53] no harm done to any animals or computers :) [21:54] nachox : btw, if you ever want to do multipathing on linux with device mapper, lemme know. i got plenty of experience with it [21:54] hey, a cat was sitting in my engine in 1986 [21:54] sid77_ (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [21:54] thumbs: ouch. I've seen the results of that too :( [21:54] when I started the car, all I heard is screeches and running [21:54] ananke, thanks a lot [21:54] bryjen: did the md5sum, maybe i did it wrong? [21:55] it says 11917 of 11917 files could not be read [21:55] maybe a sudo in front? [21:55] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-176-63.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] ehmmm [21:55] uhm, yeah [21:55] never done this before [21:55] i have no clue what im doing [21:55] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:55] shouldn't you be doing an md5sum of the iso image itself (only 1 file)? [21:55] just installed slackware on a quad core amd, nvidia x-server is showing 99-100 degrees celcius but is in the green, says slowdown temp is 255 C.. this is onboard nvidia 8200 [21:56] i am [21:56] are the readings in error? [21:56] i did sudo md5sum -c slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [21:56] No, md5sum -c slackware...md5 [21:56] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.146) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:56] because you want to -c (check) against that file. [21:57] oh [21:57] eross: soundl like you got a new stove [21:57] so this would probably be better then sudo md5sum -c slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso.md5 [21:57] shouldn't need sudo [21:58] ok guys, a clean install of the whole OS fixed my multimedia buttons [21:58] how do i check the memory it has? the cpu book is crap for specs, so is newegg [21:58] mmk, just threw that in there incase [21:58] video memory [21:58] you could just say "md5sum slack*iso", then visually compare the hex digits to the ones in the .md5 file [21:58] never underestimate the power of the Mark I Human Eyeball [21:58] no match is what it says [21:59] hexoroid2 (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:59] does that mean my image is bad? [21:59] most likely [21:59] cause im not really in the mood to get a new iso tonight. my bandwidth got throttled, and my wireless connection pisses me off [22:00] hexoroid (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Connection timed out [22:00] for that matter. What's the size of your iso image? [22:00] i have a wireless draft-N router that my dad just went and bought one day, and my connection is constantly being reset [22:00] like it says 151.1 MB [22:00] that seems small... [22:00] eh, nowhere near right [22:01] your a little short [22:01] should be in the neighborhood of 4 gigs [22:01] yea... [22:01] hmmm [22:01] do you guys know why my wireless connection goes shoddy on me when im like 20 ft away from the router? [22:02] i personally think its firefox, but idk for sure, and dont know enough about networking to test whether its the browser or the firewall messing with my shit. [22:03] i cant figure out how to get myself a static IP while allowing all the other IP's to have DHCP [22:03] other computers* [22:04] Cotowar_ netconfig [22:04] specify your gateway (router) IP [22:04] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] and then add your gateway IP into your /etc/resolv.conf file [22:05] is that an app? cause its not a command [22:06] are you in root [22:06] /sbin/netconfig [22:07] so I'll throw it out here again... [22:07] i found network configuration manager in the control center [22:07] are there any functional amd quad-4 temp monitors? [22:07] anyone ever get a USB logitech quickcam express camera working on Slackware 12.2? [22:07] for the am2+ socket phenom [22:08] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] the camera isn't supported by the stock kernel, have to use the driver from http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ [22:09] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:10] I'm trying to setup an firewall/router/ap box. I have it up and working fine using arno-iptables-firewall, but want to use a rc.firewall script of rworkman's instead. Can anyone spot what I messed up with this? [22:10] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10979 [22:10] which don't compile on 2.6.x where x is above about 23... found some patches from debian and ubuntu that claim to fix it... and indeed, it'll compile, and modprobe. But running the testquickcam app that comes with the driver, causes a kernel oops. [22:10] what should my gateway be? [22:10] is that the IP of the router on the internal side? or is that the broadcast IP? [22:11] running any other app that's supposed to work with v4l, just fails in various ways [22:11] gateway for me is the IP of my router, so I can get to the outside [22:11] which IP of the router though, the internal or external? [22:11] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "The 7 Deadly Sins: not for panzies.   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [22:11] internal, for your internal network [22:11] hex (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:12] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.72) joined ##slackware. [22:12] okay cool. and my subnet should be 255.255.255.0 right? i think thats right? [22:12] yes [22:12] okay cool [22:13] how do i re fdisk my harddrive, one of my paritition types I set to 5 by accident instead of 83.. can't mount it [22:13] hex (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] and i just assign the IP i want like say 1.1.1.101, and i wont have any problems connecting? my router will know to let me in even though i have a static and not the DHCP the router offers? [22:13] eross: run "fdisk" again? [22:14] nevermind, i got it.. thanks Urchlay [22:14] and be very careful [22:14] eh this is brand new drive, how careful can i bet [22:14] or the f in fdisk takes on new meaning... [22:14] lol bryjen [22:15] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] bleah. I suppose I should just toss this stupid webcam anyway. [22:16] Cotowar_: the address you assign needs to have the same first 3 parts as the router's address, and the last part different [22:16] sid77_ (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:17] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:17] Cotowar - that is correct, though I never changed the first three numbers like 192.168.1.. kept it aligned with my router. dont know if you can change all of it to a random IP or not [22:18] okay, so my router does DHCP from 1 to 100. if i assign myself 101 for example, will i still be able to connect? [22:18] even though im static? [22:18] Urchlay: this might help: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Webcam [22:18] yes [22:18] thought it was 1 to 255 [22:18] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:18] if you mess it up, remember what you changed and change it back [22:19] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] addresses go from 1 to 255, but my router only does DHCP through 100. that way i think i can have static and DHCP addresses [22:19] from 1 to 254 are usable. the router is likely 1. the dhcp service isn't *required* to serve them all [22:19] gnubien: thanks, but that page just tells me what I already know: the qc-usb driver is the correct one for this camera [22:19] it's also the one that won't work [22:20] superGear (i=1000@c-67-177-202-93.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Urchlay: how old is the webcam? days? weeks? months? years? [22:21] years [22:21] like 5 years, probably [22:21] Urchlay: quickcam express? [22:21] the qc-usb driver does support this camera, but qc-usb development seems to have stopped [22:22] (their driver no longer compiles/works with newer 2.6 kernels) [22:22] yeah [22:22] Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:0840 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express [22:22] the driver lives at http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ [22:22] Urchlay: tried the spca5xx driver? [22:23] I tried something called "gspcav1" from alien's repository [22:23] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [22:24] it didn't do anything at all (modprobing the driver, it didn't "see" the camera) [22:24] lsusb? [22:24] the spca5xx driver page doesn't mention USB ID 046d:0840 either [22:24] eh, that line I pasted above was from lsusb [22:25] ok [22:25] (currently no driver loaded though) [22:25] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:25] Urchlay: google 046d:0840 Logitech linux ? [22:25] yeah, that's how I found the broken qc-usb driver :) [22:25] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] I promise, I'm not having one of the easy problems with this thing... [22:26] yea, that definitely did not work... [22:26] Urchlay: search the v4l pages? [22:26] hey i need to create a few special user accounts for people who will only access samba and maybe ftp resources on this system. would using a flase shell work for that type of account? [22:26] gnubien: yeah, in the process of that, not found anything relevant yet [22:26] hm, apparently gspcav1 isn't the same thing as spca5xx after all [22:27] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] wait, yes it is [22:27] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [22:28] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-176-63.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] gnubien: the thing is, I've gotten the qc-usb driver to build & load (by borrowing some patches from ubuntu) [22:28] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-176-63.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] it creates a /dev/video device, and dmesg shows the driver knows what the camera is [22:29] Urchlay: maybe there is another quickcam driver that you havent tried yet [22:29] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [22:29] and v4l-info shows reasonable-looking output [22:29] hexoroid2 (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Connection timed out [22:29] well, there's qc-usb and gspca/spca5xx. Haven't found another one yet... [22:30] the qc-usb driver comes with a little "testquickcam" program... which makes the kernel explode if I run it [22:31] Urchlay: you know know more about quickcam express than you ever wanted to know :) [22:31] zGhost (n=zmisc@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [22:31] normal apps (mplayer, xawtv, streamer, tvtime) just fail to work with various error messages [22:31] giuppy (n=giuppy@host66-39-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:32] not a plain vanilla kind of problem [22:32] BTW, all of the above apps work just fine with the TV tuner cards in the same box [22:32] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "holy shit, i got something to work that was broke :o" [22:32] (yes, I really do have two TV tuners and a webcam...) [22:32] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:32] Urchlay: you've tried different usb ports too? [22:32] yeah [22:33] don't think it's a hardware problem though. Think it's a "driver not correctly ported to 2.6.27.7 kernel" type of problem [22:33] Urchlay: as linux develops support for some older devices becomes a moving target [22:34] well, this never was "linux", the kernel itself... for some reason the qc-usb driver never became part of the main kernel tree [22:34] ricardobarbosa__ (n=jiraia@200-193-216-141.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:34] errr, last I checked, the kernel still has support for the IBM monochrome display adaptor and MicroChannel :) [22:35] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] the plot thickens [22:35] and silly stuff like the CD-ROM interface from a 1989-model Sound Blaster [22:35] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] anyway. For whatever reason, this driver never became part of the kernel... and now it's been abandoned by its developers [22:36] oh, nice [22:36] and the kernel's APIs have changed enough that the driver no longer is compatible with newer kernels [22:36] nicer [22:37] and I'm not really a kernel hacker so I can't really get much further than that without learning a lot of stuff I don't know... [22:37] Urchlay: some people say the logitech quickcam pro works well [22:37] I found a patched version of qc-usb that claims to work in 2.6.28 [22:38] with 2.6.27.7, it compiles and modprobes, but it's the one that's causing the kernel to oops [22:38] yeah, I'm not really going to buy a different webcam [22:38] i have the quickcam pro, it works automaticly with stock kernel [22:38] I mean, I don't care enough about webcams to want to spend money on one [22:38] this is one we found in a box of dusty old parts, buried in the closet :) [22:39] gar0t0 (n=tiago@189-69-91-60.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "dormir" [22:39] Urchlay: time to decide if you want to spend so much time concerning an old webcam [22:39] time, I have too much of [22:40] asking in the IRC channel is basically a last resort [22:40] odds weren't good, but someone *might* have said "Oh, I have one of those pieces of crap, here's the patched driver I use..." [22:41] hrmph [22:41] Urchlay: posted to some v4f forums? [22:41] be back later i guess since straterra is a poo face :P [22:41] gnubien: no [22:41] not posted to any forums, nor mailing lists [22:42] 99% of what's on forums turns out to be useless drivel anyway [22:42] mailing lists are usually better [22:42] thats an option you might find helpful [22:43] unfortunately the qc-usb driver mailing list is dead [22:43] alvaro1 (n=alvaro@190.39.46.213) joined ##slackware. [22:43] (nothing but spam, and one guy having the same problem I'm having, who never got an answer) [22:43] Urchlay: Is the driver binary? [22:43] no [22:44] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-202-6.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] Good thing you've got the source, then ;) [22:44] I just lack the expertise to understand the source well enough to fix it [22:44] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] Urchlay: sorry, I can't help but throw that troll out there. I'm sure I don't have the expertise to fix the problem either :D [22:45] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] alvaro1 (n=alvaro@190.39.46.213) left ##slackware. [22:45] But, if you're REALLY REALLY dedicated to this webcam I bet they would welcome some patches [22:46] the problem isn't lack of programming knowledge, it's lack of domain knowledge... I don't know how webcams work, and I don't know the architecture of v4l (though that at least should be well-documented somewhere) [22:46] "should" and "is" are 2 different things, sadly. [22:46] and I don't care *that* much about this crappy old camera [22:46] at this point I'm just ranting to hear myself rant :) [22:47] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] hex (n=hex@173-29-231-198.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:48] I could try to get in touch with whoever did the ubuntu patch... but 99.9% likely he won't be interested in "your code doesn't work on slackware" [22:48] Nick change: hex -> hexoroid [22:48] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] (for all I know, it doesn't work on ubuntu either though...) [22:48] In my eyes, if something doesn't work on slackware it simply doesn't work. [22:48] TwinReverb (n=robert@61.34.58.5) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Cotowar_: ping? How are things coming along? [22:51] yeah, I'm the same way [22:52] slackware is as close as you get to "generic Linux" [22:52] people in #ubuntu are being dickheads [22:52] s/in #ubuntu / [22:52] / [22:53] then leave their channel [22:53] or do like that stupid jay & silent bob movie [22:53] and drop their distro. [22:53] fly to wherever they are and beat them to a pulp [22:53] i did [22:53] superGear (i=1000@c-67-177-202-93.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:54] superGear (i=1000@c-67-177-202-93.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] ugh... [22:54] i hate networking with a passion [22:54] Cotowar_: what's wrong with your network? [22:54] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.158) joined ##slackware. [22:55] i have a router with DHCP. it assigns addresses between 2 and 100. i want all my computers to get the address via DHCP except this one, and cannot do it. [22:55] heh, next time mom asks me to fix her crappy windows PC, I should replace her IE icon with a shortcut that plays a wav file of Jay saying "What the fuck is the internet?" [22:55] Cotowar_: dhcpcd [22:55] ...and tell her "The new Internet is called Firefox, use that instead" [22:55] does ms windows have a dmesg? [22:55] zGhost (n=zmisc@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: [22:55] event viewer? [22:56] Urchlay, i replaced firefox's icon with an IE icon on my gf's computer. she had no idea [22:56] nooper, windows xp has a system log function you can view (yes, eviljames beat me to it while i was typing it) [22:56] oh right [22:56] Cotowar_: you mean, you can't manually set the IP address on the Linux box? Or you're trying to use the router's config to set it up so it'll always assign the same IP addr to that box's mac address? [22:56] IIRC, in ubuntu, you edit /etc/network/interfaces to manually assign an IP [22:57] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:57] i tried that once, but then i couldnt get on the network. [22:57] TwinReverb: my answer was juts less keystrokes, that's all. [22:57] (of course if you're running a live CD, that won't help you much...) [22:57] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] i was thinking that the DHCP server assigns addresses from 2 to 100, so i should pick something like .222 and i would be outside that range. if you can get me the same address every time though, that works [22:58] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] eh, I can't specifically tell you how to do it, on your router [22:58] my problem arises when i leave the network, someone else connects, and then i come back. my IP is different [22:58] just saying, maybe it's easier for you to approach it from the router side [22:59] ricardobarbosa__ (n=jiraia@200-193-216-141.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:59] im in the router. what do you think i should look for? [22:59] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:59] DHCP server settings? [23:00] no guarantee that your router even supports what I'm talking about though [23:00] all i have are LAN settings, which is nothing really, and DHCP client list, which just lists the computers on the network [23:00] are you trying to setup your ip manually or do you want the dhcp server to assign you the .222? [23:00] fgbgbb [23:00] jnv h [23:00] hj [23:00] h [23:00] Channel flood from nitro25 -- kicking [23:00] hjj [23:00] nitro25 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:00] eh, a lot of consumer routers start out in stupid mode where you have almost no options. Look for "advanced mode" [23:00] haha [23:01] all i want is the same address regardless of who else is on the network. that way i can port forward crap to myself and not deal with this stupid ass firewall. [23:01] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:01] Cotowar_: k, then forget all of this. [23:01] Cotowar_: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.222 (or xyz whatever) [23:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] Cotowar_: route add 0/0 gw 192.168.1.1 [23:01] Cotowar_: and make sure that /etc/resolv.conf points to your DNS servers. [23:02] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:02] is this a laptop which you might connect to other networks too? [23:02] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-110-129.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [23:02] DNS address is the router right? [23:02] mmm [23:02] yes it is. [23:02] Cotowar_: that depends on your router and configuration. On a working (linux) computer cat /etc/resolv.conf and see if it points to your router or somewhere else. [23:02] rworkman: fresh install fixed all my sound and multimedia buttons [23:02] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@97-94-110-129.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:02] rworkman: don't know wtf was messed up before but it's fine now [23:02] what?! [23:03] nullboy: fresh install fixed your multimedia buttons? [23:03] eviljames: yep [23:03] now kde uses them properly [23:03] here is the resolv.conf file [23:03] who knows what was messed up [23:03] # Generated by NetworkManager [23:03] domain Belkin [23:03] search Belkin [23:03] Channel flood from Cotowar_ -- kicking [23:03] nameserver 192.168.2.1 [23:03] Cotowar_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:03] bahahha [23:03] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [23:03] Cotowar_: pasting to the channel is (by and large) considered bad form. pastebin, my friend. [23:04] my bad, figured it would be okay cause it was little [23:04] only 3 lines [23:04] s'all good. [23:04] Cotowar_: thats what she said [23:04] BAM@ [23:04] she? [23:04] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: "Darkness shrugs and bids the day goodbye" [23:04] yes [23:05] heh. "search Belkin" sounds completely useless [23:05] might want to change that to "search ." [23:05] Gizzmo (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [23:06] what does that do? and i have the if config crap too if that helps. basically my router is set to just do DHCP, nothing else. i cant set it to do both DHCP and statics, but i can change the pool of valid DHCP addresses. does that matter? [23:07] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [23:07] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] Cotowar_: Don't bother, just set yourself an ip address via ifconfig that is outside of that range. [23:07] eviljames: maybe he should change the inet config file instead so he doesn't have to run ifconfig on every boot [23:07] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] Cotowar_: I've lost track... the box you're trying to set an IP address for, is running what? [23:08] nooper: First he should learn how to do it manually. THEN he should change the config file D: [23:08] ubuntu [23:08] all the other computers are XP [23:08] ubuntu installed on the hard drive, or just a live CD? [23:08] installed [23:08] isn't there an african fable about ubuntu, the gazelle that got eaten by a lion? :) [23:09] OK, then, you need to follow the normal procedure (whatever that is) for setting a manual IP address on Ubuntu [23:09] I can't *believe* there's not a GUI for that [23:09] NetworkManager (iirc) handles that in Ubuntu [23:09] me neither [23:09] Oh, there is. [23:09] we're giving shitbuntu stupport? [23:09] fwiw use their tools first, and then go manual mode only if theirs are broken. i haven't seen that often but it does happen.... [23:09] and I can't believe you're not smart enough to find said GUI and figure out how to use it [23:09] but why should Cotowar_ be constrained to their gooey apps? [23:10] straterra, because we're taking the moral high ground of helping those with inferior OSes :) [23:10] i just did the network manager thing, and it kicked me off instantly [23:10] brb [23:10] Cotowar_: NetworkManager tries to assume control of all nics all the time I guess. [23:10] TwinReverb: im trying to get the slackware .iso, but cant because my router is dumb. [23:10] Meaning it will immediately attempt dhcp configuration when you click / plugin a cable [23:10] Nick change: Gizzmo -> XGizzmo_ [23:10] yes it does [23:11] if its configured that way, i assume [23:11] Cotowar_, and we're helping you, aren't we? :) [23:11] brb [23:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@61.34.58.5) left irc: "Leaving" [23:11] i need to write a master build script for reinstalls, one that builds all of my SBo builds and installs them in the proper order [23:11] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:11] Cotowar_: which make/model router is it? [23:12] alpha (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:12] belkin wireless N? [23:12] im looking for a model number in the router page, might hav eto go down and check the actual device [23:12] bono (n=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] bono (n=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:15] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [23:15] bono (n=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] in the /etc/network/interfaces file, how might i assign a static address? i have the info, just dont know how to type it in [23:15] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:16] binskipy2u (n=binskipy@191.129.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:16] well i tried updating slackware 12.2 to current for almost 2 hours [23:16] to no avail [23:16] read everything, googled my ass off [23:16] read the .txt file [23:16] pain in the ass [23:16] binskipy2u: the upgrade should complete fine [23:16] Cotowar_: nano, vi, joe, jed, gedit, etc. etc. it's just a text file. [23:16] hell if i know [23:17] tried everything in the .txt file [23:17] file not found [23:17] binskipy2u: look in /topic [23:17] eross (n=rem@6532142hfc81.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] yea, im looking at it, just dont know how to type it in there [23:17] Cotowar_: ... with the keyboard? [23:17] or, do you mean the formatting and such? [23:17] othermindszine (n=othermin@139.sub-70-192-65.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:18] yea, formatting [23:18] i suppose i could use Orca to click each letter in there...lol [23:18] Cotowar_: the ubuntu wiki should have all of this pretty well documented. [23:18] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [23:18] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: "going going gone" [23:19] ill just wait till 12.3 comes out lol [23:19] uva (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:19] yea, tried it, but it didnt work. a lot of their stuff is wrong. [23:20] yet another shortcoming of the OS i guess [23:20] binskipy2u: well if your system is hosed now just clean install -current [23:20] nah, i did it all in a vm [23:20] ... [23:20] so i can use my machine [23:20] while figuring out stuff and reading [23:20] installed perfectly actually [23:20] im so sick of this os you have no idea. i just did a clean install monday night and have already had 3 kernel panics from shutting the laptop. [23:21] and why did i do a clean install?! because they partially upgraded me from 8.10 to 9.04, and screwed my packages up [23:21] hm. Am I the only person alive who thinks a laptop shouldn't go to sleep or hibernate just because I close the lid? [23:21] tried using slaptget [23:21] that didnt work worth a damn [23:21] used their how-to, set up etc [23:21] agreed [23:21] Urchlay: I have mine specifically set not to. [23:21] Urchlay: i always disable that in windows [23:21] i set mine to blank screen so i get no burn in [23:22] Urchlay: i disable that crap too [23:22] binskipy2u : uhmm, if you recall, nobody here recommended that [23:22] Urchlay: i close my lid sometimes so i can let it run without the backlight [23:22] yeah [23:22] well i tried the how-to [23:22] nothing worked [23:22] binskipy2u: so give up and leave [23:22] in fact the backlight is getting flaky on mine :( [23:22] unless they are assuming i did something before i read the how-to [23:22] uva (i=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] does anyone question how-to articles before they use them? [23:23] which 'how-to' are you talking about? [23:23] my roommate uses my laptop sometimes, and he never used anything but a mac before... he's afraid to close the lid because he thinks it'll kill his ssh sessions [23:23] lol [23:23] the txt file [23:23] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] that you read to upgrade [23:24] so I go downstairs and he's left the damn thing sitting there burning out its backlight for 4 hours... [23:24] Urchlay : sleep on a mac just works, and it's so nicely integrated with apps. linux doesn't even compare [23:25] that's why i don't put my laptops to sleep that often. stuff just breaks [23:25] ananke: oh I'm sure. Wasn't complaining about macs... [23:25] sleep works almost flawlessly lately [23:25] Urchlay, display white screen for a day. will erase most of the burn in [23:25] complaining about my roommate [23:25] since pm-utils and about 2.6.25.x [23:25] Cotowar_: you mean, it'll burn in the pixels that aren't already burnt? :) [23:26] I didn't even realize there was a problem with sleep, it has always worked pretty well perfect here as well.. [23:26] thrice` : yeah, it did get much better in the recent days. however, it gets flaky on ocassion [23:26] not worried about pixels burning in, I'm worried about the backlight, which was rated for maybe 10,000 hours and has run for a lot longer than that [23:26] eviljames : where have you been living? for years now sleep on linux has been terrible [23:26] It has run longer than nearly 2 years straight without being turned off? [23:27] no, it's run since 2002, being turned off & on at various times [23:27] Urchlay, no i mean if you leave the same thing on the screen for too long with no screen saver, it burns the image into the physical screen. [23:27] well i have a working linux install, ill just wait till i pick up a spare computer to learn on [23:27] TwinReverb (n=robert@61.34.58.5) joined ##slackware. [23:27] i've had this laptop going through suspend / thaw cycles for about 25 days now (uptime), without it failing a single time. haven't even restarted xorg yet :) [23:27] Urchlay : uhmm, you know that you can turn off the backlight without putting your laptop to sleep [23:27] there's always zenwalk lol [23:27] 10,000 hours is only a little over 1 year anyway... [23:27] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] ananke: well when only I am using it, it's never a problem... I close the lid, it stays awake but powers off the backlight [23:28] yeah that's like xbacklight program iirc [23:28] othermindszine (n=othermin@118.sub-70-192-105.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [23:28] is emacs easier to learn than vim? vim was a pain for me [23:28] not that it has anything to do with slackware [23:29] xbacklight -set 0 is off iirc [23:29] i mapped the -inc / -dec functions of that program to my media keys that are for brightness [23:29] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:29] just annoyed with this guy... I let him use my laptop and tell him "close the lid when you're done", and he won't [23:30] can't kill him either, he pays rent... [23:30] why not turn on the power saving features and make the screen go blank after x min? [23:30] Urchlay: hrm. what a predicament. [23:30] binskipy2u (n=binskipy@191.129.243.24.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] tank-man: because normally I find them annoying as hell... and because the laptop hasn't got a battery anyway [23:31] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:31] hmmm [23:31] like if I'm sitting there thinking, staring at the screen, I don't want it to decide to go blank just because I haven't done anything in X minutes... [23:31] you can borrow a stick to beat your friend then :) [23:31] TwinReverb: you saying that made me check my fn-f7, fn-f8 key combos. thanks for that, now I have something else to investigate. [23:32] Urchlay, you should be able to set the screen to go blank when you close the lid, without going to sleep [23:32] and hibernate is just stupid so we will forget it exists [23:32] Cotowar_: yes, that's exactly what it does. This guy won't close the lid though [23:32] eviljames, http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/sony/sony.html [23:32] tell him its okay [23:32] I've told him like 5 times [23:32] most laptops i've seen auto-blank the LCD when you shit the lid [23:32] sometiems when I'm shitting a lid, I dno't want it to be blank. [23:33] Action: andarius tries not to shit on the lid :( [23:33] but if not, you can always use /etc/acpi/acpi_helper.sh or whatever to log and respond to such events [23:33] ew [23:33] I think the "laptops go to sleep when I close the lid" is wired into his neural circuitry at a deeper level than consciousness [23:33] uhmm, i don't even bother to close the lid, i have screen saver set to power down the display after 10 mins [23:33] no, they don't automatically go into sleep :) [23:33] tell him to fscking close the lid or the password gets changed [23:33] TwinReverb: We already went over that ;) [23:33] ananke, not everyone can be as common-sense and elegant-solution-minded as you :P [23:34] eviljames, oh thanks for warning me [23:34] nullboy: that's probably what I'll end up doing [23:34] TwinReverb: oh, well, next time pay attention! [23:34] here, say this "sir. please close my lid. my linux wont lose your connection because the screen went black. thank you" [23:34] or just set his mac background to the target logo and set it at full brightness, then wiggle the mouse every few minutes for like 9 hours [23:34] then you will both have bad monitors and you will be even [23:34] eviljames, bleh [23:34] Nick change: LSD`_ -> LSD` [23:34] TwinReverb: agreed, attention is overrated. [23:34] :P [23:34] i'd rage if someone left my laptop on and open with the backlight on for 4 hours...but then again i also probably wouldn't let someone use my laptop in the first place [23:34] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:35] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-127.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] i figure that if my laptop is going to get broken i should have the privilege [23:35] i have fully encrypted hard drive now, my laptop is and will always be a single-user machine :) [23:35] i have a biometric scanner for login [23:35] nullboy: well, normally I don't let people use my laptop either, but at the moment, the laptop is the only way to quickly change channels on the media PC [23:36] :P [23:36] Cotowar: i really do [23:36] me too [23:36] thinkpad t61 [23:36] you ssh in, edit the damn mplayer config so it starts on whatever channel you want to watch, then start mplayer [23:36] and mine works [23:36] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/slack-12.2-xdm-swipe-or-type.jpg [23:36] (on the media box) [23:36] lol, mine is shady [23:36] it takes mplayer 10-15 seconds to change channels [23:37] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [23:37] are biometric scanners cheap now? [23:37] so if you're watching channel 74 and you'd rather be watching channel 6, it takes half an hour to get there [23:37] Urchlay, I was thinking of getting a netbook for that very purpose. [23:37] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] mine came built in [23:37] it was like $30 extra [23:37] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [23:37] Lenovo sells them cheap, and they work well [23:37] I dunno what's wrong with mplayer (or with my TV tuner card), and I personally don't watch TV so I haven't cared enough to troubleshoot it [23:37] HP has some now i think [23:38] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [23:38] Cotowar: I have an HP with fingerprint reader. [23:38] Cotowar: [23:38] Urchlay: are you running Linux MCE? [23:38] 90% of the finger readers are the same chipset [23:38] the idea was to let him ssh into the media box so he could fix the TV tuner himself, since he's the one who watches TV [23:38] Cotowar: eh? is there really a distro called Linux MCE? [23:38] no, its the MCE app that runs on Linux [23:38] you sould seriously get it [23:39] Myth? [23:39] myth is a part of it [23:39] the media box runs Slackware with a funky little perl script I wrote [23:39] look it up [23:39] its insane, you can do complete home automation with it, and control it from a cellphone with the right hardware. [23:40] not as pretty or featureful as myth, but it does exactly what I want and nothing else (the problem there is, if I change my mind about what I want....) [23:40] Cotowar: I think you're preaching to the converted, I use MythTV on my FreeBSD box. [23:40] bono (n=bono@118-160-169-235.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:40] no im saying it is MythTV but it does other stuff as well [23:40] like you can dim your lights or open blinds with it too [23:40] anyway I've no idea why it takes 15 seconds for mplayer to change channels, was sort of hoping the roomate would have fixed it by now [23:41] Cotowar: X-10 home automation? [23:41] Urchlay, maybe its a slow processor? [23:41] instead he's burning up my backlight going "nano .mplayer/config" [23:41] yes, thats it. its that with mythTV [23:41] heh, just last night I was adding some X10 stuff to my perl script [23:41] very crude though. [23:42] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:42] and i give up on the router. i will just wait until i make fat stacks engineering stuff, then i'll but myself a real netowrk. [23:42] the CPU isn't all that fast, but I don't think the channel-changing speed has anything to do with the host CPU speed [23:42] particularly as *other* apps don't take 10 seconds to change channels [23:42] redtricycle (n=lionel@32.158.47.219) joined ##slackware. [23:42] how are you getting to the media box? [23:43] tvtime does it plenty fast. But tvtime can't do anything *but* watch TV (no DVDs, no .avi files, etc etc) [23:43] if you are doing what i would do, you are ssh-ing wirelessly from the laptop, through the router, to the mediabox [23:43] yeah [23:43] why not just get the logitech media keyboard? [23:43] problem solved [23:44] but when you're actually running mplayer, and you hit the mplayer "change channels" button, that has nothing to do with the laptop [23:44] and a logitech airmouse while you're at it. [23:44] I'm using a wii controller as a remote control [23:44] yes. that is a sw00t mouse indeed [23:44] (used to use a logitech wireless joystick, but it wore out) [23:44] hmm, maybe mplayer is just full of crappy code? [23:45] there's a normal wired keyboard plugged in too... and if I press whichever key changes channels on it, same thing [23:45] dunno. I know it's full of *ugly* code [23:45] but ugly doesn't necessarily mean crappy :) [23:46] hba (n=hba@189.188.150.236) joined ##slackware. [23:46] thats dumb. you should use Windows 7. its going to be like OMG W00t! and will solve your problems [23:46] :P [23:46] heh [23:46] [23:46] TwinReverb: There's no sarcasm there. Windows 7 is a paradigm shift, bringing true TCO ROI for your [23:46] oh fk it, I can't say it all with a straight face [23:47] lol [23:47] it's actually quicker for me to open up the laptop lid, type "ssh root@hermes", then "vi .mplayer/config", edit the config file with vi, quit, save, and restart mplayer... than it is to wait for mplayer to change channels even one time [23:47] (but then I type fast) [23:47] i can't see your face from here so you could've gotten away with it if you hadn't admitted it [23:47] i like how they went half towards unix like security, and half towards win98 like security. open it up while blocking everything [23:47] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] TwinReverb (n=robert@61.34.58.5) left irc: "Leaving" [23:48] wow.... [23:48] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:48] i know sometimes i threaten to rip the battery out of my laptop, and it works better. [23:48] like I said though, I'm not the one who even watches TV [23:49] and sometimes if i rub the monitor when it works right, it keeps working right [23:49] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:49] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:49] I'd honestly rather wait an extra day to see whatever show it is, than watch it with commercials in it, without the ability to pause/rewind... [23:49] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [23:50] my roommate on the other hand... did you ever see the first "back to the future" movie? [23:50] offtopic: how hard do you think THIS would be: http://gizmodo.com/5119445/the-dream-iphone-pro [23:50] haha, yea [23:50] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] you remember when Michael J. Fox is trying to set his dad up to hook up with his mom, and his dad's like "But I'll miss my favorite TV show"? [23:50] my roommate is like that [23:51] lol [23:51] wow [23:51] McFly [23:51] my room mate was like that [23:51] except his fav shows were Ghose Hunters and Mad Money [23:51] of course he's got a girlfriend who's the same way [23:51] Ghost* [23:51] ugh, she would not be allowed in my room [23:51] so they stay home and watch Galactica together [23:51] gross [23:51] bahahahahaha mad money [23:52] I can't be bothered to live my life by network TV scheduling [23:52] you should de-solder the pin on the back of the co-ax jack and unplug it before his show starts [23:52] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [23:52] the times I try to sit & watch TV with them, I notice... they're actually *wathing* the commercials [23:52] er, watching [23:52] lol [23:52] participating? [23:52] like i always say, the only thing that comes out of my coax is teh intarwebz [23:53] like, when the commercial starts, I start talking to them, and they ignore me and even go "shhh!" [23:53] my coax does my N64 [23:53] cause im a real OG [23:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-3-62.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:53] hahahaha [23:53] that makes my day. as goony as i am, i now know there is someone worse than me [23:53] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-83.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] I don't watch TV a lot.......don't have time for that [23:53] nullboy: well, I do watch TV shows, but I get them over teh intarwebz [23:54] wait a day, bittorrent, no commercials, watch when I'm ready to watch instead of when the network decides I should watch [23:54] you should have seen my dorm room though. i used to do all sorts of hardware modifications to my equipment to prevent my room mate from using it. then again i HATED the kid [23:54] a pvr setup with mythtv is even better [23:54] Cotowar: 20,000 volt transformer wired to the power switch? [23:55] bzzzt! [23:55] no, but here is an example. my room mate used ot go to his 8 o clock class and would set his alarm before he left when i had been drinking the night before [23:55] just to piss me of [23:55] f [23:56] nice [23:56] what, he'd set the alarm to go off after he left, even? [23:56] exactly [23:56] he was being a dick [23:56] what a jerk [23:56] dude, how could he feel safe sleeping in the same place as someone he did that to? [23:56] Cotowar: Marc, is that you? Sorry about that... [23:56] sid77 (n=sid77@slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:56] revenge time:) [23:56] bwahaha [23:57] Actually, I'm not really sorry. [23:57] so i took the radio apart the night before his design exam and cut out the buzzer. replaced the buzzer with a resistor and assembled [23:57] :) [23:57] yes! [23:57] the resistor heated up, caught fire and burned the dorm down. Needless to say, I got my revenge. [23:57] lol, nah, just kept the circuit there [23:57] it was a 1M ohm [23:58] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:58] alpha (n=alpha@cpe-68-203-207-238.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:58] and then he watched mad money all the time. i sabotaged my own cable for that one. took apart the coax cable, cut the center wire, but let it touch, and taped it back up [23:59] he could still watch, but it was fuzzy as hell [23:59] ugh, I had to sabotage my own cable TV once [23:59] why? [23:59] needless to say, maintenance couldnt figure out why the pic was bad [23:59] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [23:59] was living in this crappy little house with 3 other people and working 3rd shift [00:00] --- Thu Mar 12 2009