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[00:06] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon123683.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:07] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:08] hip, the easiest way is to use mc(1)'s virtual FTP filesystem. [00:08] That's not like actually having it mounted, but it's nice for moving files about. [00:08] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon129335.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:09] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:11] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [00:11] oh no. we are going to be invaded by rob0 [00:16] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:16] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:18] run for cover! [00:19] so what up with you? [00:19] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-44-154.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:20] Other than invading BHM, not much. [00:20] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:20] yea I am looking up fans. [00:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:24] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@200-181-32-182.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br expired. [00:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@200-181-32-182.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:24] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:25] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:25] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:26] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:29] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [00:31] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:31] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.114.196.144) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:32] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Anyone know of any utils for Firefox (or any browser really) that allow you to do screengrabs of streaming video? I'm doing a project for a Documentry film class about CCTV type stuff. I want to be able to snag video from various streaming CCTV sites. I don't really NEED audio but if they have it it would be nice to grab as well. [00:34] did you look at the non-browser screen capture utilities? several have been mentioned and google will probably help there [00:35] http://linuxappfinder.com/multimedia/videocapture one link from a google search [00:35] on the first page [00:35] I've found some that just download the video from youtube and the like [00:35] istanbul "desktop session recorder producing ogg theora video" [00:35] wescotte, how are you accessing the cctv camera? [00:35] screenkast "record your activities on the screen" [00:36] xdtv "video4linux stream capture viewer and decoder" [00:36] MLanden: looking into that as well.. So far http://www.ustream.tv/discovery/live/all has lots of content.. I found a site called http://interneteyes.co.uk/ that lets you watch but you need to be a EU resident.. Looking for alternatives now [00:37] alisonken1noc: hmm I hope that lets me crop too and then it'd be perfect [00:37] some of those I believe will allow you to specify a screen capture or a window capture [00:38] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:38] If I can just select a specific area that would be idea.. Like you can with most screengrab aps.. But I suppose I can always crop the video in my NLE too [00:39] EHLO [00:39] ideal.. [00:39] ohle [00:40] OverHead Line Equipment? [00:40] heh [00:40] ehlo with the outer two characters transposed :) [00:40] MLanden: I'm sure there are tons of traffic cams and the like that I can use as well. I just need footage :) [00:41] wescotte: You could try 'ffmpeg -i x11grab', you can specify offset, width, height, bitrate, etc [00:41] vhann: ah cool [00:42] alisonken1noc: Oh, I see. In fact, EHLO is an 'extended' HELO used in a the SMTP protocol (that was my geek joke of the evening :p ) [00:43] vhann: awesome that looks like exactly what I want to do [00:44] wescotte: np [00:44] vhann: yep - I know some of the protocols for email servers :) [00:45] STARTTLS, asf92jf kjaid 9j3 fj9a fak9sfl [00:46] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:46] SiegeX, wrong window? :) [00:46] vhann: know a simple way to get your x,y coords of your mouse cursor? :) [00:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:47] wescotte, quick python script and pygtk ? [00:47] alisonken1noc: any method.. I haven't gotten around to learning to program in python yet but it's been on my todo list for quite some time now :) [00:48] heh, no it was just another SMTP joke [00:48] only way i know now is do a screen grab and then open it in like gimp and get the x, y:) not really fast enough [00:49] STARTTLS tells the mail server to use an SSL encrypted connection [00:49] SiegeX, yep [00:49] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [00:50] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:50] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:51] Can someone running 64-current tell me if gst-python from SBo builds for them? I'm getting all kinds of errors. I have to go to bed, but I'll check msgs in the morning. Thanks guys [00:51] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. 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[00:57] well, I should just say -current because I've got the updates (including libpng) that came after beta 1 [00:59] MLanden: thanks that should do the trick [00:59] wescotte, np ... good luck [01:00] Guest60884 (~andrew@cpe-65-27-196-252.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:00] wescotte, well, if you want to try python, look at pygtk and gtk.gdk.Event object for gtk.gdk.MOTION_NOTIFY(x_root,y_root) [01:01] alisonken1noc: I'll make a note of that. Thanks but for now xdotool does what I need [01:01] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [01:01] good [01:02] I really need to learn python at some point because I hate bash :) [01:02] bash has its uses :) but python is good for extended stuff [01:02] like wicd [01:02] and hp uses python for its printing subsystem monitor [01:03] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:03] alisonken1noc, seen references made to gtk.gdk.Event with some of the projects liks wiimote [01:03] and google uses python extensively as well as those video houses doing movie special effects [01:03] hiya [01:03] like* [01:03] heya [01:03] hoya [01:04] bash syntax just annoys the hell out of me :) [01:04] we're as happy as can be [01:04] _o/ [01:04] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [01:04] for a cli mode batch file, it's not bad [01:04] whats up with irssi that i see in the topic? ;) [01:04] check the changelog [01:05] Guest60884 (andrew@cpe-65-27-196-252.cinci.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [01:05] It took me hours to figure out that "var =" doesn't work.. I'm just used to not having to worry much about whitespace [01:05] heh [01:05] every language has its quirks [01:06] with c/c++ it's the curly braces [01:06] I'm used to curlies :) [01:06] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:06] I did read a bit about python awhile back and it had some very interesting stuff [01:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:06] oky is anyone knows is there is a intel mobil desktop boards that eneargy efficient that processor and GPU is built into the board. [01:06] ? [01:06] That's called atom? [01:06] anyone experience? [01:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:07] wescotte: What do you want to do exactly? Grab a specific window? [01:08] vhann: just get the x,y cords so I can tell ffmpeg exactly where to grab video from and what size.. I suppose i can always crop after but might as well do it up front to keep the videos smaller [01:08] wescotte: Yeah, but what for? [01:08] read up :) [01:08] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:08] class project [01:09] alisonken1noc: ditto, I joined just before: [01:09] vhann: using ffmpeg -f x11grab to capture various streaming video. I have to make a little documentary on cctv type footage [01:09] vhann: Using found footage saves me time because it's due in two days and I don't want to go out and shoot my own :) [01:09] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [01:10] wescotte: Ok, but these streaming videos are viewed in a browser right? [01:10] yeah [01:10] Then, try things such as get_flash_videos [01:10] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:10] unless there were non flash ones that I could just stream directly w/ mplayer [01:10] (on Google Code) [01:10] vhann: I've never had those things work for anything but youtube really. [01:10] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [01:10] this solution will work well enough for now [01:11] wescotte: Ok, and is the quality good? [01:11] vhann: ffmpeg lets me set the bitrate/codec to what I want so it's as good as it can get [01:11] Last time I tried doing a screen grab, the picture was well over blurry (but then I have a crappy GPU) [01:12] well except from using the original file I guess [01:12] I tested it. Seemed to work fine [01:12] Hum ok, I guess that's the best thing to do considering time limits [01:12] vhann: you might have had the default bitrate of like 100kb/s instead of setting it. Then it's blurry when things move [01:12] and it works universally where those keepvideo type apps don't always work [01:12] for all sites.. [01:13] wescotte: I've tried various options, what's the command you tried? [01:14] antlechrist (~andrew@cpe-65-27-196-252.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] ffmpeg -f x11grab -s WxH -r 30 -b 2000kb -i :0.0 output.mpg [01:14] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:15] ffmpeg -f x11grab -s WxH -r 30 -b 2000kb -i :0.0 output.m2t [01:15] I'll tweak the bitrate but I assume mpeg2 is probably the best codec because it encodes quickly.. I can always transcode later [01:15] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.28.24) joined ##slackware. [01:15] if I need ot [01:16] i need a laptop ;) [01:16] wescotte, is the project just a discussion of CCTV systems or will it progress to actually using CCTV cameras? [01:17] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:18] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.28.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [01:18] wescotte: Yup, still crap, I guess that's my crap GPU's fault [01:19] MLanden: Well, originally I was kinda gonna setup my own CCTV camera.. Which involves me sitting around town in various spots for hours :) [01:19] MLanden: So in order to avoid that since it's due in two days and I haven't really started.. I'm just gonna use what I can find online.. [01:19] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [01:19] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:19] vhann: 2000kb is kinda low btw.. some artifacts.. I'll up it but it works well enough on my integrated intel chip [01:20] wescotte, cool...hope it turns out well [01:20] MLanden: I'm scrambling to do a bunch of other crap and I just am too lazy to really make this particular project anything special :) [01:20] MLanden: heh I just want to make sure I pass that's really all [01:21] wescotte, cheers..:) [01:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:21] I'm working on my first feature film now and have a bunch of problems with getting the footage to our editors so that's taking precedence [01:21] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:22] stupid inverse telecine problems that I think I resolved but now sync sound issues which I BELIEVE I resolved but I need a windows box because dvgrab is doing some funny things :( [01:23] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:23] have to capture 50 tapes again and then perform an inverse telecine/transcode to huffyuv THEN transcode back to ProRes 422 for the editing process.. Gonna take a solid week of capturing/transcoding [01:23] wescotte: Actually, you're right, @10Mbits/sec, the video is somewhat good [01:24] vhann: what resolution? [01:24] 1280x800 [01:26] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon129335.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:27] vhann: ah I was cropping mine quite a bit.. Yeah 10+ for that I'd say [01:28] HDV is like 1440x1080 at 25Mbs/s so anything above 15 is probably good for that [01:28] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:29] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [01:30] The-Croupier, what specs? [01:31] vhann: hmm I seem to be able to encode mpeg4 in realtime as well so that's kinda nice [01:31] wescotte: :) [01:32] but I doubt I'd be able to at anything > 480p [01:32] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [01:35] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:35] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: eelriver [01:37] MLanden: i am not bothered atm...i have nothing but a small notebook or something.. msi l1300 i can hardly see anything in this... [01:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:38] i need something that can run/test current ;) but im not working atm...and its hard to find one as well...dont know anything in this place ;) [01:38] dont even know what shops sell what... :( [01:39] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:41] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [01:43] find a business/school that's updating their systems - should be easy since they follow the MS trend of replacing computers at every upgrade [01:43] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] alisonken1noc: great idea.... [01:44] thank you man [01:44] alisonken1noc: that would be like what...every couple of months ;) lol [01:44] The-Croupier, good luck...might be able to score a diamond in the rough..:) [01:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[01:56] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:57] is a 'Radeon 9600 pro' a better card than the 'nVidia GeForce2 MX/MX 400'? and will the ATI run in a p3 1000 mhz? [02:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:02] those are some old cards man [02:02] my p3 is kinda old [02:02] dinosaur cards [02:03] fossils [02:03] (i don't know the answer to your question) [02:03] lol [02:03] ok [02:03] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [02:03] i would wager on 9600 pro i guess [02:03] i think they are both 4x [02:04] put them both in and go dual head? :3 [02:04] too bad i couldn't hot swap them, i haven't rebooted since Christmas [02:05] we would not want to jeopardize uptime XD [02:05] hehehe [02:05] jhw (~jhw@p57982DDC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:47] um, why would 13.1beta not work with 2.6.29.6? [03:47] *lots* of changes on the graphic side [03:47] I would already have debugged that if it had been my computer, unfortunately, I have limited access to the machine [03:47] FriedBob (~Drinne@c-68-55-75-187.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:48] i don't understand [03:50] between 2.6.29.6 and 2.6.33.x, along with the X change, kms is now required in the kernel for X on intel cards, nouveau was merged and radeon's kms is now enabled by default iirc, that's more than enough to introduce incompatibilities [03:52] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dicsgtdbtoitkwly) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:52] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-sfrhgjrzskvrpdtt) joined ##slackware. [03:53] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [03:53] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:54] so i've updated this -current from kde 4.3 to kde 4.4, now nepomuk complains it can't find configured backend sesame2. what do I do? :) [03:54] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:55] did 4.3 also require the *kits? [03:55] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-lcruprgltjijjbcc) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:55] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-fgfzekbrzszqjekv) joined ##slackware. [03:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:00] kes0 (~kes0@unaffiliated/kes0) joined ##slackware. [04:01] kes0 (kes0@unaffiliated/kes0) left ##slackware. [04:03] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Write error: Connection reset by peer [04:04] mancha, nope [04:04] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:05] actually there is much less difference between 4.4 and 4.3 for me, then it was between 4.3 and 4.2 (a lot). [04:06] slava_dp that's upsetting about -current. say i wanted the 4.3 source tree, it's gone, right? [04:06] mancha, same old rant again ;) [04:06] I've backed the 4.3 -current tree, just in case. [04:07] i'd love to have a versioned -current, so that we could revert to older packages. [04:07] so you have the source stuff for kde 4.3? [04:08] which is why I want to make an history of the packages [04:08] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:09] won't appear before 13.1 is released however [04:09] in this case, would you be willing to tar.gz the source/kde dir (excluding source/kde/src) ? [04:09] "sesame2" ::chuckle:: [04:09] everything [04:10] mancha, meh, I haven't the sources, they are excluded from my rsync :-( only have the packages. [04:10] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [04:11] are all the mirrors down? [04:11] nope, but they all hate you /o\ [04:11] how could they ALL be down ? [04:12] i was talking about mancha [04:12] oh [04:12] oh dear [04:12] heh :P [04:12] >.< [04:12] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.86) joined ##slackware. [04:12] but what we're after is older packages that were in -current a month ago but aren't there anymore [04:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:13] oh, noone has those :p [04:13] I suppose Patrick does [04:14] but he won't make a versioned -current, it's too much hassle first and too much ftp space second. [04:14] if he doesn't, I'll setup something [04:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:14] nah, not too much hassle if you take a few minutes to think about how to do it ;-) [04:15] wa ha ha ;] [04:15] so would you like to suggest he does it? or do a separate versioned mirror youself? [04:15] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [04:15] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:15] I'd probably do it myself but then, I don't know if I'll be able to easily share it [04:16] rsync + git + archiving after the development cycle ends [04:16] that why i have requested (on lq) some kind of vcs on the sources. but i guess pat isnt used to git [04:16] the development cycle for -current never ends [04:16] vcs on the sources would be good too, maybe it's not public [04:16] slava_dp: it ends each time a stable is released ;-) [04:17] ive considered uploading myself to github, but pat has many patches and stuff in .gz so its not that easy to exclude stuff [04:17] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:17] well, right, if you think that all new stuff goes to patches/ afterwards [04:17] adrien: didnt you use to have some kind of git of the sources? [04:17] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [04:18] I still have it and I'm still using it (well, not much time recently) [04:18] but it has holes in the development history unfortunately [04:18] (I need to improve when it's updated) [04:18] (hmmmm.... doh! I'm stupid, there's a trivial way to do it >< ) [04:18] it wasnt complete either iirc though [04:19] maybe I didn't have x/ and kde*/ but I can change that, remind me about it in 15 minutes and I'll fix everything [04:20] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [04:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:24] when I started the git of the sources, I didn't have something that looked at the changelog every hour so I didn't have something to tell me when to do an update, that's probably why I didn't think of it ;-) [04:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:27] duz !compute [04:27] basically i havent figured out how it would be possible to use rsync excluding the overwrite of .git [04:28] besides moving it around. im almost certain theres a way [04:28] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [04:28] sahko: hmmm? why rsync a git? [04:30] no, i mean, you rsync current, how are you gonna vcs it? you're gonna have to have a .git in slackware/ [04:30] one level up actually ;-) [04:31] Morn [04:31] if you are using git why to use rsync? [04:31] ok, so you can have the txt's too, but if you rsync again .git will be gone [04:31] I mean, the .git folder is not in slackware/ but slackware/.. so one level up compared to ChangeLog.txt [04:31] so s/slackware/slackware-current/g actually [04:31] morng Zordrak [04:31] mina86: because that's all we are offered ;-) [04:31] oh, i see your point, duh [04:31] uh, never mind, I thought you try to do something else [04:32] ;-) [04:32] rsync writes inside the dir, git clones outside [04:32] im retarted [04:32] bah, why? you can't guess what I'm doing [04:32] won't simple - .git/ work? [04:33] git status;git describe; git clean -n [04:33] can we get kde 4.3 back? [04:34] mancha: ? [04:35] Zordrak, i'm after the source tree for kde 4.3 from current before it got squashed by 4.4 [04:35] might have it on a dvd somewheres [04:36] ah, that would be nice if you did... [04:36] mancha: source or packages? [04:36] source [04:36] thats tougher [04:37] though i don't need the kde source since that's still on kde's site, just the rest: build scripts, slack-descs, etc. i.e. source/kde (except source/kde/src) [04:37] actually.. im not sure i do have 4.3.. last dvd was almost certainly 4.2.4 :/ will load it up and check [04:38] *!* i need to tidy up. seriously. [04:38] http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ holds last weeks isos from slackware.no (hasnt synced todays yet) but it doesnt have the [04:38] ...sources iirc. [04:39] I don't think slackware.no has the sources either [04:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:39] yeah. those are the same isos [04:39] okay, I'm going to include everything I guess [04:39] will be slackware64-only currently however [04:39] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] actually that'd be a bad idea, I'm going to make both [04:39] would someone chkc http://google.com/ie ? i think google broke [04:39] sahko: they did [04:40] I had issues getting to gmail earlier as well [04:40] SunTzu: they did [04:40] sorry [04:40] damn, ty [04:40] http://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=toto [04:40] whats that? [04:40] ffs.. wheres the zersion number in this crap [04:40] well, click [04:40] gmail works fine here [04:40] in console [04:40] try http://jfgit.com [04:40] SunTzu: load, it's okay [04:40] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:40] nop [04:40] yup.. 4.3.4 :) [04:41] scroogle was a web-service to anon your searches [04:41] mancha: what you need? [04:41] excellent! [04:41] is running http://jfgit.com [04:41] all of the builds? [04:41] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:41] is running http://jfgit.com but doesnt do the ie?q= [04:42] mancha: tbh i mi8ght as well just give you the whole lot [04:42] a tar.bz2 of slackware-current/source/kde (except slackware-current/source/kde/src) [04:42] kk [04:42] a tar.xz is better :) [04:42] OMGOMGOMG GOOGLE IS DEAD [04:42] Zordrak, don't include the /src since i can get that from KDE [04:42] Action: SunTzu feels so disconnected [04:42] SunTzu, how come? google works fine from here. [04:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:43] chking [04:43] mancha: if youre sure.. ive got 20mbit upstream :) [04:43] slava_dp nop; no search field shown. [04:44] SunTzu, kill your browser [04:44] but i can't dl all the source at once. i will just get them one by one from kde as needed. thanks though [04:44] slava_dp it's not a bowser thing; i've been using this setup for centuries :) [04:44] it's google with the prob [04:44] new one too [04:45] whats the right syntax to exlude this thing [04:45] w/o the kde source files the tar.bz2 (or tar.xz) should end up being tiny [04:46] Zordrak use find if munging filenames [04:46] nono.. i got it [04:46] k [04:46] mancha: you dont like 4.4.3? [04:46] --exclude "dir" [04:46] google still dead [04:47] Action: slava_dp stabs SunTzu [04:47] eek [04:47] mancha: how do you want it? [04:47] sahko, not that, but 4.4.3 requires the *kits and i wanna take my time migrating to that. plus i only need this for runtime support so 4.4.x imposes a lot more overhead on me [04:47] slava_dp major withdrawal here :) [04:48] Zordrak, a tar.xz (or tar.bz2) on some httpd? [04:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:48] mancha, you just install them, no configuration required. [04:48] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:48] yeah, that were the reasons i said 'oh noes' when it alienBOB informed us about it [04:48] but still built it & upgraded despite that:/ [04:49] slava_dp an alternate bowser also displayed same wrong google page. [04:49] but the worst thing about it is akonadi. its more intergated but still very 'incomplete' [04:49] mancha: http://www.tpa.me.uk/kde.tar.bz2 [04:50] akonadi and strigi blow. [04:50] turn them off [04:50] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [04:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:50] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:51] i cant stand indexed content searching.. it never has what i want indexed, it takes so much resources to do the indexing.. and i dont search that often anyway.. and even if i did, its quicker with gnu find [04:51] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [04:51] i do, but still, firing up kmail brings the akonadi server or something. i just chose not to bother with them in order not to be too much dissapointed in general [04:51] its bad enough windows did it with Desktop search.. but then KDE and thunderbird3 both followed alongf [04:51] Zordrak, i'm very grateful that you went through this trouble. It is much appreciated! :) [04:51] i wish they could be disabled as in not installed at all [04:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:51] mancha: no probs dude. You caught me in a reasonable mood :) [04:52] --disable-semantic-desktop [04:52] Zordrak you're preaching to the choir. I know all about moody :) [04:53] mancha: LOL.. just realised i didnt even need the DVD. I run a mirror.. and that server gets backed up to tape [04:53] aha, so you do have a versioned -current so to speak [04:53] aw nips.. its not on the backup list.. well ill soon fix that [04:53] how often do tapes get made and how soon do they cycle? [04:53] mancha: i do starting today :) [04:54] nightly kept 3 weeks, weekly kept 3 weeks, monthly kept two months, quarterly kept forever [04:55] wow. lots of backing up [04:55] yup [04:55] nightly is cumulative incremental [04:56] all others are full [04:56] why do you need weekly kept 3 weeks if you have 3 weeks of nightlies? [04:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:57] im sure theres a reason.. give me a sec [04:57] ah incremental...you have no starting point on the nightlies [04:58] yeah thats why :) [04:58] otherwise the incrementals would be huoj [04:58] i.e. the earliest nightly (3 weeks ago) is incremental over (3 weeks + 1 day ago)? [04:58] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:59] so to get the state of (3 weeks - 1 day ago) you take the weekly (3 weeks ago) and apply the incremental nightly from (3 weeks -1 day ago)? did i confuse emyone? [04:59] john_dee (~id@95-29-183-247.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:00] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:00] or am i smoking the crack? [05:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:03] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:04] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:04] mancha: it doesnt quite work out like that because its managed by veritas [05:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:04] mancha: i go to what i want to recover and it gives me a list of every copy it has.. i ask for what i want and it shuffles off to pull whatever it needs from whatever tape its on [05:05] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:05] but yeah each weeks incrementals depend on the backup at the start of that week [05:05] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:06] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:07] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:08] Action: adrien steals Zordrak's tape backup [05:08] blackhat (~hexdump@187.59.85.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:13] gernd (~gernd@g230076149.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:13] thatll be 30,000 GBP please [05:13] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:14] bah, I'll go back to France quickly enough not to get caught by the police [05:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:14] heh. ok sounds fancy! and 30,000 pounds? eek. [05:14] okay folks, gotta run. zord, thanks again. [05:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:15] blame my predecessor.. £15,000 hardware, £15,000 softwar [05:15] later [05:15] ouch [05:15] hardware is Sun.. thats why its expensive [05:16] hehe, just some supermicro's running bacula here, works quite nice [05:16] I had issues getting to gmail earlier as well [05:16] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:16] surrounder: funny that.. since i took over the sun library is no longer hooked up to a sun server.. its hooked up to a supermicro box running slackware :) [05:17] hehe nice [05:17] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:17] alisonken1noc: up-key fail ;-) [05:17] adrenaline, wrong window fail :) [05:18] lol.. tab-completion fail [05:18] haha [05:18] duh! :) [05:18] busy night at the noc [05:19] alisonken1noc: it's gonna be ok, don't worry :P [05:19] only 4 more hours to go :) [05:19] now you only need a paste-fail ;-) [05:19] plenty of time for one I guess ^^ [05:19] that can be worked on :) [05:23] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:24] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:25] johndee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:25] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:31] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[05:40] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.112.108) joined ##slackware. [05:40] anyone ever installed skype 2.1 beta on slack? [05:40] I'm getting seg fault [05:40] yeah i had that [05:40] Kaapa, slackware or slackware64? [05:41] 32 [05:41] i use 2.0.0.72 instead [05:41] Zordrak: no screen sharing :( [05:41] Nick change: mquin- -> mquin [05:41] I've run across that on -current [05:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:44] it was so long ago i cant believe its still in beta [05:44] (skype that is) [05:44] i had that too, no fault [05:44] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Maybe they just don't care much about minority of users. Also they are going to start showing ads to those who don't pay [05:45] So much for skype :P [05:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:45] hi guys =) [05:45] hey phrag [05:45] if you're using a script to build skype, remove the part that strips symbols. i bet this fixes the segfault. [05:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Skype blows. As someone who supports it for business use I say that with authority. [05:46] phrag: sup [05:46] hey phrag [05:46] as someone who supports the MIL and wife so they can talk to sister overseas, it still blows [05:46] works, but blows [05:46] you can build skype from source? was not aware of that [05:46] MIL=military? [05:46] ... ive never heard of that [05:47] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [05:47] I don't compile - no sources available [05:47] .mil is american military yus [05:47] phrag, Mother In Law [05:47] heh [05:47] Action: Zordrak is slow today [05:47] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:47] only static version, no sources [05:48] i meant build the skype package (which is a repackaging of the binary) [05:48] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:48] that's somewhat easy - just look at slackbuilds for the sbo [05:48] i bet the segfault is due to symbol stripping in a build script [05:48] not even the static version works [05:48] slackbuilds.org [05:48] I'd be surprised they don't strip by themselves anyway [05:49] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:49] Zord, try a newer version and don't strip symbols [05:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:50] mancha: huh? [05:51] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:51] mancha: catch up dude. 1. its Kaapa's problem, 2. Skype is a repackage.. no sources [05:52] adamk_` (~user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:53] oo people are finally actually *working* on MythTV [05:53] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:53] skype.SlackBuild strips symbols. [05:53] noway! [05:53] Action: Zordrak rereads [05:53] shizzle [05:53] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:53] mancha: sorry [05:54] time for kawfee [05:54] no probs [05:55] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:56] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:56] adamk_ (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [05:56] lol@ twitter bug [05:57] /. making for good reading today [05:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:58] woo! WiGig! Now THAT's tech i want [05:58] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:00] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.9.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:03] 10m range tho [06:04] alisonken1noc: oh, lol.. slightly less critical eh? =P [06:04] 10m if there are no walls [06:05] phrag: 10M is enough to decable the office [06:05] even with the walls i can prbably decable the bedroom [06:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:05] then i just need my inter-floor cable [06:06] and frees up existing gig switches for where theres only 10/100 [06:09] Conspirator (~chris@195.158.108.189) joined ##slackware. [06:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[06:45] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@201.206.18.30' by Stx!stx@freenode/staff/stx [06:45] ZMR kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [06:45] hmmm, it looks like the total blackout in 2008 in one part of France was a bit less than 36 hours in one year, that's still much more than most places in the US, right? [06:46] Flashforwards! [06:47] adrenaline, typically -yes. I think california is the only one that had rolling blackouts for a while [06:47] Action: adrien hugs alisonken1noc [06:47] ok, thanks [06:47] poor adrenaline ;-) [06:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:50] karuna: Fix your connection. [06:53] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [06:54] pupiteee (~p@109.92.11.186) joined ##slackware. [07:03] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[07:36] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:39] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-193-190.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:46] can anyone give me some good hypotheticals on why machines should not share a common /root/ dir [07:47] superGear (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:47] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-197-42.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:47] /root ? or / ? [07:47] why would you share /root ? [07:47] /root/ [07:47] I mean, does it bring any advantage? [07:48] simplicity of management [07:48] ie the same reason you might have a shared slack mirror or yum cache [07:48] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-144-112.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:49] everythings already there.. all the boxes share a root fluxbox profile and bashrc etc etc [07:49] but what do you currently have in /root? I'd expect it to be almost empty [07:49] if you have only a few files, I'd actually use git or something like that and track/pull/push/commit [07:49] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:50] I have .bashrc/.zshrc :P and uh.. loadlin16c, apparently [07:50] depends on the box. In places where its not configured specifically then yes its empty save for maybe an nvidia driver [07:50] raela: loadlin FINALLY left slack a couple of weeks ago [07:50] think it might have gone to /extra [07:50] I don't know why I even have it [07:50] raela: part of the default install [07:51] default install puts loadlin16c.zip in /root? [07:51] but I'd really go for git (or svn or whatever) rather than sharing the files [07:51] adrien: but, for example.. when i set up a new box.. i always hdave to start by mirroring the base /root and updating basic configs [07:51] you want to share over network? and if you lose the network? [07:52] hmmm, afk a bit, bbs [07:52] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wtvjwdsfvxocenbt) joined ##slackware. [07:52] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [07:54] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-uvjoxddigtlzjjzn) joined ##slackware. [07:54] yeah i guess it all come down to that.. hat happens when the network is not there [07:54] nm.. was only hypothetical [07:54] stick it all on a usb drive? [07:55] john_dee (~id@93-81-70-80.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: ` [07:55] theres a lot of options.. was just considering the merits of sharing [07:57] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [07:57] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Excess Flood [08:00] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.251.28.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:05] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. 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[08:22] hi all [08:23] yo [08:23] i'm trying to build fontforge via slackbuild, but it fails at make [08:24] make[1]: *** [gimagereadpng.lo] Error 1 [08:24] make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/SBo/fontforge-20090622/gutils' [08:24] make: *** [libgutils] Error 2 [08:25] interesting - slackboy didn't kick you for flood [08:25] haha [08:25] a slow connection can save your life [08:25] gtludwig: what you pasted is absolutely compltely useless [08:26] gtludwig: thats not really helpful [08:26] hehe [08:26] three lines of a log shows nothing [08:26] sorry, I'm really pissed off right now [08:26] at my parents and have to be in the living room and have to stand the TV and my mother, even loud music and active-noise cancelling music don't cut it... [08:27] adrien, no biggie [08:27] but you need to pastebin the whole log [08:28] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:29] trying to find in under /tmp [08:29] config.log? [08:31] ./configure > fontforge.config.log [08:31] that should capture it [08:31] thanks, t0f [08:31] Action: raela gives adrien a hug :( [08:33] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:33] adrien: i am connected at: +MCR: V92 [08:33] +MRR: 28800,45333 [08:33] I thought i was connected slowly [08:34] Action: adrien hugs raela [08:34] t0f: heheh :-) [08:34] (: [08:34] jhw (~jhw@p57982DDC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:34] &> log actually, not only > log, you'd miss stderr ;-) [08:34] ah, yes [08:35] I'd actually ./foo.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee log [08:35] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:35] dunix (dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left ##slackware. [08:35] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] has anyone configured a HUAWEI HSPA USB Stick before? [08:40] that's odd [08:42] t0f (~10000@dialup-4.238.251.28.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Quit: t0f [08:42] 3g? [08:43] the log I got from ./fontforge.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee log is here: http://pastebin.com/yvN5B0ff [08:43] obviously [08:43] adrien: bash -x ./boo.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee boo.log [08:43] says at the end I've problems with gcc... [08:43] oops.. wrong window [08:44] I've just installed alienBOB's multilib gcc [08:44] gtludwig: so, config.log ? and which ARCH? [08:44] =) [08:44] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.231) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:44] x86_64 [08:44] slack64-current [08:44] powtrix: what does it do? [08:45] sounds like ARCH error [08:45] a better log [08:46] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@201.206.18.30 expired. [08:46] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@201.206.18.30' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-435369.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:46] adrien, it does script tracing [08:47] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [08:47] man bash; /-x [08:47] oh, doh [08:48] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:48] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [08:48] I man'ed but I looked at the options to set >< [08:48] or rather, help set | grep -- -x [08:48] alisonken1home, thanks for the tip, it helped somewhat [08:48] new config.log is here: http://pastebin.com/6szqPLBx [08:49] well, maybe it's like set -x actually >< [08:49] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.7) joined ##slackware. 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[09:03] nightly sync. [09:03] I should have hourly ChangeLog.txt sync + trigger for full sync [09:03] pupiteee (~p@79.101.172.216) joined ##slackware. [09:04] mine does an iso rebuild if there's a change [09:04] nice [09:04] just haven't added a cron job yet [09:04] santobob (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:04] synced mine up on sunday [09:04] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-68.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:05] btw, anyone knows if alienBOB's multilib repo supports rsync? [09:05] iv just got mirror-slockware-current.sh in /usr/libexec called with diffirint config files for every release back to 12.0 including both -currents [09:05] makes life so easy [09:05] haha! [09:06] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [09:06] all cronned for about 2am i think [09:06] And as of todafy that mirror is then backed up to tape incrementally every night/week/month/quarter [09:06] nice [09:06] i've got my custom rsync script: slacksync [rsync args] [09:07] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:09] http://pastebin.com/z4csWzHi [09:09] public domain :-) [09:09] nice... [09:09] .git folder of 4.6GB... [09:10] slava_dp, nice! thanks for sharing [09:11] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:12] you're welcome, hope it'll be useful not only to me :-) [09:12] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:14] nice:) [09:15] rockslinux (~rockslinu@213.87.194.7) left irc: Quit: ? [09:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[09:29] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:29] slava_dp: mhm, cool :) is there some GPL :) [09:29] I usually go slacksync 64 current && slacksync 32 current && slacksync 32 13.0 && mpg321 finish.mp3 [09:29] haha [09:30] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [09:30] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:31] slava_dp: same here except I then cat all the new packages to /dev/dsp to check they sound good >< [09:31] hehe [09:31] nice! :) [09:32] pupiteee, what, you want me to license this under the GPL? x_x like I said, it's public domain :-) [09:33] PD? what's that? [09:33] Action: adrien ducks [09:33] bluh GPL [09:33] Action: surrounder ducks too [09:33] slava_dp: oh, i guees my knowledge of terms is not so good [09:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain [09:33] there you go ;) [09:33] thanks :) [09:34] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:35] slava_dp: except that, afaik, *you* can't put anything under PD [09:35] only works in anglo-saxon law [09:35] adrien, meh, I can do whatever I want with my works [09:35] but it doesn't mean anything wrt the law [09:35] use ISC [09:36] adrien: Internet Scrabble Club? [09:36] lol, that was my first hit too [09:37] Internet Service Consortium [09:37] altho the license is fine. [09:37] as used by bind and friends [09:38] the scrabble club sounds more interesting [09:38] the trouble with PD when it has no meaning for the law is that you're only left with "the intent of the licensor", intents are nice... [09:38] Skywise: :) [09:38] well, maybe they run ISC-licensed software >< [09:39] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-bqmctdzkouonhrmp) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:39] adrien: and that ISC is meant for US only? [09:39] adrien, but then again, even if the law doesn't know about public domain, that means there is no license, and anyone can modify and redistribute, and that matches the original intent. or am I wrong? [09:39] not that I know [09:40] slava_dp: no, if there's no license, you can't do anything with it [09:40] adrien: its like, if theres no lock on the door and the door is open you cant rob the house [09:40] slava_dp: imagine you find a purse in the street, are you allowed to simply do whatever you want with it? [09:41] pupiteee: no, it's like: you don't know if there's a door and you don't know if there's a lock [09:41] ehm... yes I am? :-) [09:41] Not under most jurisdictions. [09:41] so much discussion for a little script :-) [09:41] slava_dp: now, you find keys in the streets, can you go use them and take whatever you want? [09:42] slava_dp: yup ;-) [09:42] adrien: i understand you, but try to understand me: im already looking into wide open door [09:42] pupiteee: you can look through it, could be a glass wall, could have dogs behind, could be anything [09:42] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:42] pandora's box :) [09:43] it's like saying you can read the source and that makes it free software [09:43] Getting into Pandora's box is how we got VD introduced to the world. [09:43] VD? [09:43] you can see the neighbor naked in her bathroom, doesn't mean you can get there [09:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-15.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] ( ='( ) [09:43] i am so sick of clueless management types right now [09:44] Zordrak: you weren't before? ;-) [09:44] some people prefer those types [09:44] jhw (~jhw@p57982DDC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] more than anything its just the lack of ability to listen [09:45] Zordrak: It's a survival skill that they have evolved. [09:45] those who ask a question, are told the question makes no sense, and then assume you either meant Yes or No depending on the time of day [09:45] Gives 'em plausible deniability when it hits the fan [09:48] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] "i need you to update this document from 10 years ago to make it current" [09:49] "it would be faster to start from scratch" [09:49] "no" [09:49] Zordrak: answer them "ice cream" then, won't be worse [09:49] Do like that one SNL skit. "Put mustard on it". 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[10:32] I'm going to point my router to that computer [10:33] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:33] coolkehon, dnsmasq [10:34] it reads /etc/hosts and uses external servers + caches replies [10:34] thanks slackboy [10:34] -.- [10:34] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:34] thanks slava_dp [10:35] >.< nasty tabfail :) [10:35] yw :) [10:35] mhm [10:35] Nick change: Guest84817 -> fred [10:35] fred (~fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) left irc: Changing host [10:35] fred (~fred@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Action: slava_dp waves to fred [10:37] o/ [10:38] phrag: Mornin' [10:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:39] FriedBob: hey =) get my pm yesterday? [10:39] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:40] phrag: No, I didn't. :/ I was having some network issues yesterday. Wound up attaching my mac to my wired network to keep it stable. [10:42] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [10:43] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [10:44] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:46] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:47] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] Nick change: xchg_chrape -> xchg [10:54] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) joined ##slackware. [10:57] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:01] FriedBob: dammit, sorry, i mean alienBOB =P [11:03] MoRpHeUz (~morphbr@kde/asouza) joined ##slackware. [11:04] alienBOB: ping [11:05] thats /lastlog alienBlurb [11:05] bah [11:05] my turn for fail [11:06] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:06] suffice to say bob has been awol since before the weekend [11:06] Zordrak: ah ok.. hehe [11:06] I'm from the kde community (and old slackware user) and I would like to check with slackware packager of kde and/or docbook some stuff.. [11:07] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) joined ##slackware. [11:08] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:08] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:09] MoRpHeUz: you should probably mail alien[at]slackware.com and CC volkerdi[at]slackware.com [11:09] Zordrak: ok then :) thanks [11:10] np [11:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:12] nooneelse (~brunodeol@201.90.155.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:12] on which platforms is fuse easily available? [11:12] phrag: What, we Bobs all look the same to you? ;) [11:13] adrien: OSs you mean ? [11:13] yeah: *bsd, solaris... [11:13] want to be sure [11:13] adrien: netbsd and freebsd [11:14] adrien: macosx [11:14] not sure about solaris [11:14] ok, good [11:14] not sure about openbsd [11:14] let's start a fuse-based xfs read-only implementation =) [11:14] buh? [11:15] :o ? [11:16] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [11:18] gbowden (~gbowden@83.39.117.84) joined ##slackware. [11:19] adrien: OpenSolaris has fuse. Seems to work [11:20] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:20] gbowden (~gbowden@83.39.117.84) left irc: Client Quit [11:20] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] fuse works.. opensolaris doesnt :) [11:20] %) [11:20] It does. From time to time :)) [11:20] heheh :P [11:20] Zordrak: but why the "buh?" [11:21] 16:12:59 < adrien> let's start a fuse-based xfs read-only implementation =) [11:22] why? [11:22] i missed the joke [11:23] no joke! :P [11:23] qwebirc43848 (~58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mslvebtmkzhwaltm) joined ##slackware. [11:23] mount -t xfs -o ro isn't kosher anymore?! %) [11:23] hi, i can't extract .tgz file [11:23] should be easy but i get just error [11:23] I need to do something and I hope that won't be a pity to implement, without catch, with proper documentation [11:24] unlike the things I've been working on recently [11:24] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] qwebirc43848: corrupted download? and what are you trying to do? and what for? [11:24] adrien: why read-only? why fuse-based? [11:24] john_dee: it only works on linux ;-) [11:24] whats wrong with what we've got [11:24] adrien: i get same error with all .tgz files [11:24] well, fuse-based because of that [11:25] and read-only because, would you trust me for doing write-support properly? :P [11:25] %) [11:25] http://error.pastebin.com/yW8Z7eMf [11:26] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.37.65) joined ##slackware. [11:28] qwebirc43848: run 'file http://error.pastebin.com/yW8Z7eMf [11:28] naj [11:28] file tar-1.23-i486-1.tgz [11:28] j0z (~j0z@201.47.20.134.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:30] http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/papers/ols2000/img3.htm :P [11:31] ok, it's corrupted i guess --- tar-1.23-i486-1.tgz: xz compressed data [11:32] and nothing won't open it [11:33] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [11:33] huh [11:33] what did you download that from and with? [11:34] to check man.1.gz [11:34] gernd_ (gernd@g230077143.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [11:34] why isn't there "J" or "xz" in man tar [11:36] Nick change: fjunis_ -> fjunis [11:38] where did you download that from? and what with? [11:39] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [11:39] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. 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[11:56] it's simply... cleaner [11:57] i'm switching it off now =P [11:57] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:59] Alan_Hicks, there is something going on in -current which is making $TERM unset in Terminal [12:00] a few others reported it last night I think [12:00] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [12:01] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.42.150) joined ##slackware. [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:03] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [12:04] edthix (~ed@115.135.183.27) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:05] qwebirc43848 (~58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-mslvebtmkzhwaltm) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:05] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [12:11] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) joined ##slackware. [12:13] OddtheCat (ol_slacker@173-9-254-103-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:28] yup, 9am-5pm [12:28] outside of that time range, nothing [12:29] eviljames: read http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=Hello_World and http://xfs.org/docs/xfsdocs-xml-dev/XFS_Filesystem_Structure/tmp/en-US/html/index.html [12:29] padhu (~Padhu@175.40.37.65) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:33] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:34] bhanson (bhanson@isafailure.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:34] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:37] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [12:37] edthix (~ed@115.135.183.27) joined ##slackware. [12:37] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [12:37] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. 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[13:34] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:34] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-dixyrlzsolzpstir) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:35] jg71: Click Click Done! ;) [13:35] i'm just reviewing the slackware-current ChangeLog and i see that KDE has been updated. can anyone describe what the differences are to what is in slackware-13.0? [13:35] koanen_t: and when you dont have X ... curse curse ... ;) [13:35] so i would have to put the old drive back in [13:36] and how would i rsync it [13:36] jg71: local or remote sync, keys automatically setup via ssh/scp. Bam! Done! :) [13:36] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [13:36] jimi: More stable, more features, more awesome. [13:36] ehehe [13:36] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] kcw12: read the man page. such info is priceless when needed most. [13:36] jg71: ssh -XC -l root server or client. Setup gui. [13:36] your client needs X-libs [13:37] jkwood: would that "more awesome" relate to users in a business setting? i'm trying to determine if i should start evaluating -current for my users [13:37] koanen_t: pardon my french, but i use to laff at people who need to set up X before they get any admin stuff done. lol. ;) [13:38] i know, whatever floats your boat and all that, but today i cant help it ;) [13:38] jg71: Your server needs X-libs, the computer youre at needs to run X. Not the server or client computer at the other ends. [13:38] jg71: Ive been adminning and using Linux since 1996. I want guis. You can laugh at me if you like :) [13:39] I've been running linux since SLS days in 93, and X is awesome - it let's me have 10 terminals open to administer the other systems [13:40] jg71: If i can click a few times instead of reading howto do this for hours and hours (Remote scheduled sync with crond for example) Ill choose the clicks! :) [13:40] it also sucks because socalled web designers use flash for their main pages [13:40] Well, I'd start looking at it. What's there will probably be what goes in 13.1. [13:40] eviljames: keep this link for me: http://xfs.org/docs/xfsdocs-xml-dev/XFS_Filesystem_Structure/tmp/en-US/html/index.html [13:40] There are several improvements to some of the key software. [13:41] alisonken1home: exactly ;-) [13:41] alisonken1home: floppy diskette install (30+ of them) using Debian since 1994 ? [13:41] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] jkwood: will there be a similar large change to the UI like there was from kde 3 to kde 4? [13:41] Oh, no, nothing that drastic. [13:42] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [13:42] jkwood: ok. i feel like my users are only now starting to come to grips with it [13:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System [13:46] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.18.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] kukukk (dvorak@188.24.64.145) left ##slackware ("Sic Transit Gloria Mundi"). [13:49] wearing too many hats can lead to a bald head [13:49] that may be why I have so much hair then, I don't wear any hat [13:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:50] Anakin (anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [13:50] xsamurai: To not wear a hat can act emboldenly :) [13:50] Anakin (anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Client Quit [13:51] hopefully i did an rsync right [13:51] did it beep, kcw12 ? [13:51] if not, yar screwed. [13:51] Hey it didnt yell at me this time [13:51] jk ;) [13:51] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:51] GRRR [13:52] i got everything copied over but i still cant that connection to the mysql database that was on it [13:52] nm [13:52] works now [13:52] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [13:53] anybody knows how microblogging plasmoid saves password? [13:53] with a hard drive? =) [13:54] (sorry, crappy day) [13:54] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-cjhugejmvmeqtgce) joined ##slackware. [13:54] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:59] anyone run Zimbra on Slackware? 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[14:01] santobob (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:01] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:01] Nick change: santobob_ -> santobob [14:02] I need to build a HA cluster for 100 or so users for mail, groupware and filesharing [14:02] santobob (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:05] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:06] I want to use Slack, but I'm a bit nervous, I never did such a serious install [14:06] thank yo uall for the help [14:06] mtkoan its pretty easy man [14:06] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_fandi [14:06] if you can read u can do it [14:07] yes-- but apt-get quicker [14:07] okay so I tried to close a youtube tab, firefox froze, killed firefox and opened it again, closed youtube tab, left two hours and came back.. and my sound no longer works. anyone have an idea of what's going on? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/khIckS86.html [14:07] plus, it may be harder for others to maintain [14:07] raela: you can use lsof or .. urgghgh can't remember the other tool offhand to figure out what is holding onto your sound card [14:08] raela: 'lsof | grep snd' [14:08] Heh. [14:08] ...why is okular in control of my sound card? I swear, sometimes I hate kde.. thanks [14:08] sad thing, a soundcard in a hostage situation... [14:09] raela: wtf? [14:09] Isn't ALSA supposed to do mixing by default these days? [14:09] jg71: by a pdf reader! [14:09] thank you, eviljames, adamk_ [14:09] adrien: yeah. and i do care. not. ;) [14:09] jg71: bah, I care: raela is able to trigger unique bugs, always funny =) [14:09] edthix (~ed@115.135.183.27) left irc: Quit: -end- [14:10] raela: your soundcard isnt faithful to you... get a more decent model ;) [14:10] adrien: I think it has happened before. ugh. I just.. don't get it. I really don't get it sometimes [14:10] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-15.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:10] jg71: bah, this is a laptop [14:10] you mean you somtimes get it? /o\ [14:10] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:10] read this, funny stuff: http://www.globalnerdy.com/2010/05/09/new-programming-jargon/ [14:11] adrien: I have fleeting moments of understanding [14:11] LIES! [14:11] i have a fleet too, raela [14:11] adrien: hey.. I think I've nearly mastered the 'mv' command [14:11] but my package neither talk nor do they take soundcards hostage [14:11] bugfoot! :P [14:11] +s [14:11] yeah. more to laff at, adrien ;) [14:12] raela: xD [14:12] jg71: I have quite a few.. issues.. with computers :) [14:12] raela: hope you're not referring to some noobfarm quote, are you? [14:12] adrien: what? no, I'm not [14:12] yet [14:12] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:13] wtf why'd firefox freeze again.. pos [14:13] it's helping you with your issues. [14:13] raela: good, or you'd have had to fear my wrath =) [14:14] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:14] adrien: bah, don [14:14] 't temp me to be a bitch for the hell of it.. I didn't mean anything by it [14:14] jg71: nothing can help me with those.. [14:14] OddtheCat (ol_slacker@173-9-254-103-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: [14:15] orbital nuking usually does the trick [14:15] IE8 froze again [14:15] but it freezes so often it has learnt to unfreeze =) [14:15] raela: http://noobfarm.org/?id=1855 ;-) [14:16] adrien: OH! sorry, I just tried to pick the simpliest command I could think of.. maybe I should have said cd. ls was my first pick, but it has lots of switches so.. [14:16] why'd kde retarded about phonon? [14:16] why's [14:17] kcw12 (Crazed@barracuda.cccs.k12.in.us) left ##slackware. [14:18] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:19] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:19] raela: ;-) [14:20] te_ (~te@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:21] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:31] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: shit [14:37] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [14:38] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:40] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [14:40] Noble (~stefan@158.81-166-203.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Does slackware have a package manager? [14:41] yes, a suite of tools collectively called pkgtools [14:41] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Are there any pratical differences to other Debian-like package management tools+ [14:43] it does not manage dependencies [14:44] I suppose there are tools to handle that then? [14:44] yes /dev/brain [14:44] or some guy named brian [14:44] terrible cancer! :) [14:45] Noble: Slackware uses scripts and a scripting format to manage tarballs. It is fairly simple. Dependencies are managed during install through groups, but there's nothing that keeps you from not selecting a necessary dependency. As mancha said, use /dev/brain. [14:45] Noble, less jokingly, slackware expects you to track/manage dependency relationships [14:46] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:46] Ok, I guess that will be good pratices for me to track dependencies. However, other systems I have used they have system upgrade tools like apt-get upgrade and pacman -Syu. Does pkgtools have similar abilities? [14:46] Slackers like simplicity, and having the system stay out of our way. Debian use a more sophisticted binary database to manage metadata and other information about packages, and separates packages into a gazillion pieces. Slackware has log files tracking the files that were installed. That's about it. [14:47] there've been some 3rd party experiments in pkg mgmgt w/ dep mgmg (slapt-get for example). ymmv and many here hate it. [14:47] Noble: slackpkg can manage online updates. [14:47] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-112-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Updates are so few, though, tracking only necessary security fixes, that manually updating a package is rarely a big deal. [14:48] I love the idea of doing stuff manually, thats why I migrated from Ubuntu to Arch, however Arch is way to unstable for some of my computers. But I really dont want to subscribe to hundreds of mailing lists to keep track of what packages are being updated. [14:48] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-144-112.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:49] Noble: It is not so much about 'manually' as it is simplicity. [14:50] I see, care to elaborate a bit on the pkgtools? :) [14:50] pkgtool(8). Look for SEE ALSO [14:50] Noble, well then you should think about it...the official stuff (that which is included in the distrib) will in general have update announcements on a single list. and this is in general, only. 3rd party stuff that you add is of course your own to track. [14:50] pim_ (pim12@stud172240.mobiel.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:51] mancha: I see. That seems fair. [14:52] gary_ (~gaz@212.183.140.3) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Nick change: gary_ -> Guest92370 [14:52] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:52] has anyone got a link to setting up chroot on slackware ? [14:52] yes [14:53] Another related question, if I installed Slack without say KDE. How would I go about installing it using pkgtool? Do I need to download the latest manually, unzip the tars and build it myself, or are there some sort of online repo for the official supported packages? [14:53] hello when my system boots it gives a udev error: http://pastebin.com/kRZ7H8c7 [14:53] udevd sorry [14:54] Noble: you just go the pkg dir of your installation source and install all the kde pkgs [14:54] Noble: Yes [14:54] Noble i think at this point you need to read some docs [14:54] the channel topic has the links [14:54] all packages and source is included int eh installation media (cd or dvd). additionally it is on any official mirror [14:55] I see :) [14:55] can anyone help me with this? [14:55] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] no one use chroot [14:56] I've installed the *whole* slackware install a couple of time using online mirrors, is that the preferred way? [14:56] Noble: So say the docs. [14:57] pim_: Stock slack install, or did you change something? [14:57] I see, thanks for your time :) [14:57] Pat's preferred way is if you buy a DVD :) [14:57] Indeed, macha. [14:57] The subscription option is very convenient. [14:57] sinuhe it is stock except i already configured the network [14:58] *mancha [14:59] could it be caused by a faulty memory module? [15:01] pim_: A bug maybe. Hardware would be hard to track, unless other programs are having difficulty. [15:02] ocZio (~igi@cpc7-slam5-2-0-cust215.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Hi All, is there a easy way to disable a user to bind()/connect() ? [15:02] sinuhe it doesn't even properly boot, so i have no clue what other programs do [15:02] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:03] i'm taking out a recently inserted memory module now [15:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@80.10.46.74) joined ##slackware. [15:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@80.10.46.74) left irc: Client Quit [15:04] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] sinuhe thanks, that fixed it [15:06] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [15:06] pim_: Interesting. [15:08] apparantly, the memory module is no good [15:08] memtest it to be sure [15:09] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] CaptNemo (~joe@71.21.86.35) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Guest92370 be specific, chroot for what purpose? Just a chroot install of Slackware? If so, most of that is as simple as "installpkg -root /your/chroot [list of packages you want]". [15:10] Forgive my ignorance but, is there a tagfile tool to help me build tagfiles easily? [15:10] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:11] CaptNemo, not that I have ever heard of. Tagfiles are not worth the trouble for me, I do a full install and possibly go back and remove a few. [15:12] TY Rob. [15:12] i havent setup chroot before rob0 ....so if had setup chroot rob0 would that command work with any package ? [15:13] i was thinking about deps [15:13] How about this... Immediately after I do an install, is there a directory that contains temporary tagfiles used my setup that I could copy? [15:14] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:15] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:16] if i installed alot of packages or even a small install would that be better than installing it on a VM ? [15:16] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:16] better/secure [15:18] DOgL (~DOgL@189.5.250.149) joined ##slackware. [15:18] ocZio (~igi@cpc7-slam5-2-0-cust215.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [15:19] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [15:20] "Better/secure" is subjective. I guess it depends what you want to do. I'm keeping a 32-bit chroot on my 64-bit machine, so I can build stuff in there for my netbook. [15:20] v3gard (~vegard@svale.hia.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:21] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [15:22] rob0 so if you just wanted one services on chroot ...say bind would you need the deps aswell ..or could you use them or / [15:22] if you want to jail bind i'd say you should put all the needed libs in the jail [15:23] can you use gui with chroot ...like an app ? [15:24] if you install X yep [15:24] on chroot [15:24] ok, finished unfucking kde [15:25] that's possible? [15:25] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) joined ##slackware. [15:25] named(8) has -t, see the man page. It starts as root, chroots to the -t directory and binds the ports, changes to the -u user, and is fine like that. [15:25] point taken. finished unfucking this small clusterfuck i found. [15:25] thanks rob0 [15:25] :) good job [15:26] rob0 you got a link which would be helpfull setting chroot up [15:26] I just told you what to do for named. Run it with -t and -u. [15:27] ok ...ill do that but want to try chroot [15:28] slackware is not special in the respect. there are googol howtos on setting up jails. go google the googol [15:28] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] ok will do [15:31] pim_ (pim12@stud172240.mobiel.utwente.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] agentc0re (agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [15:33] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-gijfjzorknsgksiz) left ##slackware. [15:35] DOgL (~DOgL@189.5.250.149) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:36] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [15:37] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [15:37] qneo (knao@adsl-dyn180.78-99-102.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [15:38] Guest92370: GAdmin-BIND only sets up chroots. [15:38] Not using a chroot is insecure [15:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:38] actualmind (~bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-ssxmrrntnvlkaqlq) joined ##slackware. [15:39] what for servers general koanen_t ? [15:39] "Not using a chroot is insecure"? [15:39] Guest92370: Yah [15:39] Yah rob0 [15:40] gades (~gades@190.33.62.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:40] i chroot my daughter to her room sometimes, very secure in there. [15:40] Haha [15:42] how do browsers decide to include CA certs and exclude others? [15:43] well, browser developers [15:43] when packaging [15:43] governments [15:43] what? [15:44] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] what do ca certs have to do with the gov't? [15:45] For fear of the Death/Cloud-Ships kept the local systems in place /Yuck! [15:45] mozilla picks them depending on certain criteria, trust principles [15:46] so only the commercial ones get picked? [15:47] also mozilla entertains requests for inclusion and decides on it and makespublic ther decision making process [15:48] how often is that [15:49] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [15:49] inclusion requests are not determined by mozilla [15:50] requesters can send a request whenever they want [15:50] i mean, how often does it happen? [15:50] slisir (mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [15:50] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [15:50] all the time? [15:51] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [15:51] Guest92370: Whereever possible [15:52] just servers ..or would that apply to clients too ? [15:52] how should i know? [15:55] mancha, by reading the public record of the decision making process, of course! [15:55] Get to it! [15:56] :win 1- [15:56] ... [15:56] pedro__ (~Kaapa@a85-139-228-135.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Nick change: pedro__ -> Kaapa [15:56] if i want a subnet with my VM guests should i choose internal network ? [15:56] Virtualbox [15:57] anyone ever tried dimdim? [15:57] I was unable to get sound or video to work [15:58] e01|sick (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:58] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] You know, I think more folks would benefit from IRC if they spent the time to learn some basics before asking lots of questions. Here we see the paranoia of a silly noob being fueled by the foolishness of a slightly more experienced noob. [16:01] noobfarm would not have near as much material though [16:02] Guest92370 (~gaz@212.183.140.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:02] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:03] lol [16:05] rob0: <3 [16:06] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:07] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [16:09] anyone using icq on pidgin? [16:09] *an icq account with pidgin [16:09] Andyr0ck (~Andyr0ck@cpc3-leed10-0-0-cust684.leed.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:10] I'm on Yahoo right now with pigin [16:10] durp... nevermind use clientlogin was selected (completely forgot about that option) [16:11] CaptNemo (~joe@71.21.86.35) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:13] Kaapa (Kaapa@a85-139-228-135.cpe.netcabo.pt) left ##slackware. 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[16:31] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-sfrhgjrzskvrpdtt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:31] OutBound (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qrdefarpgqxltnbq) joined ##slackware. [16:34] cli tool to display berkeley db hash file? [16:34] in human readable form... [16:35] db_dump [16:35] db_dump db_dump db_dump dump dump! [16:37] i don't think it works with berkeley hashes [16:37] but it is in the BDB package [16:38] db44-4.4.20-i486-2:usr/bin/db_dump [16:39] what we have here folks is a failure to communicate... [16:39] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-165-191.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:39] ;( [16:40] db = berkdb of course [16:40] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:41] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@216.23.240.44) joined ##slackware. [16:41] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-15.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:41] If you have Postfix, there's postmap(1) -s also. [16:42] not "also", db_dump is the wrong tool [16:45] Nick change: xchg_fandi -> xchg_chrape [16:45] i would hate to have to install BerkeleyDB:: just for this. there should be a simple cli solution :/ [16:46] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: bye [16:46] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@216.23.240.44) left irc: Quit: Erp. So that's what kill %1 does! [16:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.255.18.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:50] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) joined ##slackware. [16:52] sadsfae (~sadsfae@funcamp.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:53] _marc` (~marc@port-92-195-104-45.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:53] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-cjhugejmvmeqtgce) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:57] maybe db_dump is the right tool and my hash is whacky. time to go anyways. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [17:42] jonsmith1982 (~jon@2.99.44.255) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:46] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:48] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [17:50] hey guys [17:51] anyone know a fast mirror I can get the 13.1 Beta 1 - slackware64-current-04_May_2010-DVD.iso [17:51] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:52] Xgates, thats probably contingent on your geography and your bandwidth [17:52] USA [17:52] i'm in TX, I use TDS, and get ~2.5MB/s [17:53] are there any fast usa mirrors for this? [17:53] the only thing I found is getting my only 250K [17:53] my/me only... [17:53] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:54] use mtr/traceroute to find one closest to you [17:55] first off the iso isn't listed on many mirrors for starters [17:56] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:56] so first I have to find where it's even located, which isn't much [17:57] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [17:57] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-214.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [17:57] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [17:58] or use alien's script to download and make an iso [17:59] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Xgates, see mirror-slackware-current.sh in here http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/ [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:03] Thanks but as I mentioned I'm looking for slackware64-current-04_May_2010-DVD.iso [18:03] it's not in that URL [18:03] wait sorry one sec [18:04] v3gard (~vegard@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [18:05] I'm not on Slack or a Linux box in order to run that [18:05] on a... [18:05] that iso is old. it doesnt have kde 4.4.3. grab may 11th [18:05] am I suppose to run it or read it? [18:06] actually I thought I did type the one for the 11th, I don't care anything about KDE, don't plan to install it [18:06] anyhow, is that .sh to be executed or read? [18:06] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [18:06] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-112-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:07] read, possible modified, then executed [18:07] ok not on a Linx box to read it, a bit of a pain to understand it unless you are on a Unix system and I'm not at the moment [18:10] get the iso then [18:10] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:11] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [18:13] hm, anyone happen to know the name of any CLI-only app that can capture frames from /dev/video0? [18:14] (got a webcam on a headless box, need to capture one frame every 30 or 60 sec) [18:14] sahko: hey glad you mentioned that, LOL, if you looked up and read what I said when I entered the forum you'd see I was looking for the iso :P [18:14] Action: Xgates bangs head [18:14] finding lots of gtk and kde apps [18:15] no one simply knows where to get the May11 iso x64 beta? [18:15] look at slackware.no [18:18] Urchlay: you can use mplayer dump frames to jpeg/png.. unfortunately I don't remember the command to do it, but check the man file [18:18] s/mplayer dump/mplayer _to_ dump/ [18:20] sahko: of course I've been looking before I came here, I was downloading off of .no but it's sow [18:20] slow... [18:21] read the slackbook while you wait [18:22] v3gard: yah, I thought of mplayer, but this is an X-less install. Would be difficult/impossible to get mplayer working [18:22] I've used Slack for 10 years, don't need any reading ... just looking for a fast mirror is all [18:22] you can use mplayer from the cli :) [18:23] or wait.. maybe it requires x to compile [18:23] v3gard: yeah, if you have all the shared libs it wants, or if you can recompile it as a cli-only app (dunno if that's possible) [18:23] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [18:23] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:23] there used to be some stupid little webcam app I used to run 10+ years ago that was cli-only and tiny [18:24] it just spit out a png file, and that's all I need now [18:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] v4nelle (~van@79.107.233.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:27] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [18:28] ok wheres the tab I can switch the kwin, metacity , xfce4 etc ? , where I can choose the windows manager ? [18:28] ahh, it's just called "webcam", and it's part of the xawtv sources [18:33] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:34] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:37] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:39] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [18:41] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [18:43] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:54] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:54] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] paul424, xwmconfig perhaps? [18:56] paul424, unless you mean chagne the window manager inside of a DE [18:58] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:58] bleah, it exists, but it don't work [18:58] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:05] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-181-89-30.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:07] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-181-89-30.range86-181.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:08] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:11] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:11] hiptobecubic: ever get the gst-python thing built? [19:11] python-gst? something [19:12] slakmagik, haven't had a chance to work on it since i signed off. going to try again later tonight after i take the missus to work [19:12] slakmagik, i'm not sure why it would be giving me any trouble [19:12] let me pastebin it [19:12] oh, okay - well, good luck - for me it was just adding ||true [19:12] to what? [19:13] um, I forget - one of the strips, I think - lemme look [19:14] yeah, it didn't have either, so after both strips [19:14] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:16] did you get a bunch of errors like this -> Could not write function task_create: No ArgType for 'GstTaskFunction' [19:16] that didn't cause failure [19:17] yeah, I got a flood of warnings, but no fatal errors - I don't use the program, so I didn't pay attention to specifics [19:17] hey under slackware 13 current with kde 4.4.2 I get "failed to activate desktop settings " when I try to switch to opengl rendering ? [19:17] I mean I dooono what is wrong all GL libareies I use are the newest propertiary ones of nvidia ... [19:18] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:21] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [19:21] ok, at this point I'd need to talk to someone who knows v4l really well [19:21] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:21] webcam binary is complaining "can't get rgb24 data". v4l-info and v4l_dump tell me the only supported bit depth is 8 bits... so obviously "rgb24" isn't going to work [19:25] heh, if I dd /dev/video0 to a file, the file ends up full of zeroes (nulls) [19:26] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [19:27] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:27] I bet someone turned off the building lights, 0 is black [19:29] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:35] J` (~j`@CPE00195b4e9db8-CM000e5ce082e4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:36] Action: J` pokes acidchild [19:41] J`: ...rogers.com ... you poor, poor bastard [19:42] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [19:42] lol hubby works for rogers so its free :) [19:42] J`: hahaha, fair enough. [19:43] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421773.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:43] lol yea im in no position to complain [19:46] has anyone seen ron aka w|ggl|t? [19:47] He hasn't been around for a while, last I seen him around anyway was February. [19:48] oscillator (~oscillato@5.Red-79-145-44.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] wow, ok thx [19:50] you're welcome [19:53] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:54] Kyril__ (~Kyril@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177645754.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:54] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. 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[20:19] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [20:21] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:22] so,.. you support all Canadian teams ? [20:22] No. [20:22] Not Calgary or Toronto [20:23] nevertheless [20:23] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [20:24] adaptr: Otherwise, yeah [20:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] slackboy, ... ok lets see about this now [20:32] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@72.242.71.146) joined ##slackware. [20:33] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:36] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] eviljames, Go leafs! [20:43] hah. how long until they make the playoffs? [20:43] BrZ (~BrZ@201-88-27-18.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:43] Have any of you successfully done alien's multilib stuff? I think it's changed how 'sudo' is functining some how [20:43] hiptobecubic: sudo is a security hole. [20:44] might as well removepkg the sucker anyway [20:44] eviljames, we don't like sudo? [20:44] Action: eviljames doesnt [20:45] how is it a security hole? [20:45] jhell_ (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [20:45] a way to get the su flag :) [20:45] for $TIMEOUT the user is root [20:46] I was just going to go with "aside from the sudo vulnerability discovered recently, and the other uncovered ones?" [20:47] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:48] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:48] Nick change: jhell_ -> jhell [20:48] Searching NVD for sudo returns a number of results as well.. but then again, anything misconfigured could be a hole.. so don't take my word for it. [20:49] eviljames, well sure. I'll accept that sudo's "sticky powers" are not necessarily a good thing [20:49] but that doesn't explain what's happening to me at the moment [20:49] le_prof (~prof@dslc173.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:50] hiptobecubic: Oh, I dunno.. what has changed? [20:50] last night i installed alien's multilib packages. today running sudo ./foo.SlackBuild results in it not finding the $ARCH variable and defaulting to i486... which then fails because the rest of the 32bit build env isn't setup [20:51] superGear (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Absenth (~lars@75-30-81-143.lightspeed.nbvlin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:54] le_prof (~prof@dslc173.ody.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:55] for example just last night, i built curlftpfs by just running sudo ./curlftpfs.SlackBuild [20:56] As of right now, that command fails with "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" [20:56] because it thinks it's i486... even though "export ARCH=x86_64" is in /etc/profile (which hasn't been touched in months) [20:57] j0z (~j0z@201.47.20.134.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:58] is it actually set ? [20:58] echo $ARCH [20:59] adaptr, "I have a script here that looks at the $ARCH env variable. If run echo $ARCH i get x86_64. If i run sudo echo $ARCH i get x86_64. If i run the script, it sees $ARCH as x86_64. If sudo run the script $ARCH is empty. What am i missing?" [20:59] me, in #bash [20:59] oscillator (~oscillato@5.Red-79-145-44.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [21:00] hiptobecubic: that the script runs sh, not bash, and that root doesn't have ARCH in its startup scripts ? [21:00] adaptr, sh is symlinked to bash and export ARCH=x86_64 is in /etc/profile [21:01] (again, profile is ONLY run on login shells - sudo does not start a login shell, does not execute profile, does not collect underpants) [21:01] adaptr, oh! [21:01] hiptobecubic: instead of sudo, run su - and switch to actually BEING root, instead of pretending [21:01] adaptr, well why the hell has worked for the last year? [21:01] "su -" [21:02] the - means RUN MY DAMN LOGIN SCRIPTS [21:02] neither sudo nor su change $HOME, for example; only su - does that [21:10] adaptr, it's looking at libs in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib64... even though $ARCH is x86_64 and $LIBDIRSUFFIX is 64 (echoed to check)... This is a package that i built a few months ago on this same machine as 64bit without an issue. [21:14] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@89.214.166.168) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:17] jhw_ (~jhw@p4FC8D88F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] j0z (~j0z@189.58.130.250) joined ##slackware. [21:18] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:18] Another curiosity is that ./configure has a tendency now to hang for VERY long periods on seemingly simple tests... like...checking for gawk [21:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:20] jhw (~jhw@p57982DDC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:21] oh... well that mystery is solved. there is some kind of recursive launching of gcc that is filling up my ram and thrashing my disks [21:25] what a disaster [21:27] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:28] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.44.29) joined ##slackware. [21:29] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AD6C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] hi, what's the file system for default installing? ext4, reiserfs? [21:35] goj (~goj@p4FE6AF2F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] ? [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:35] since 13.0 ext4 [21:36] The dialog gives you several choices IIRC. So the default is meaningless. [21:36] and earlier? (curiosity) [21:37] reiserfs for awhile, before that ext2 and maybe umsdos (if installing on FAT.) [21:37] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:39] ok thx rob0, sahko [21:40] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:50] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:50] Chameleon (Chameleon@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] anyone have the skype beta installed? [21:53] i do [21:54] version 2.1.0.81? [21:54] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-162-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [21:54] jgeboski, yeah [21:54] jgeboski, hmm. i'm segfaulting right away... must be me :) [21:54] I have it running. Are you have trouble? [21:55] i was wondering what e-mail people use that use slackware or just linux in genral.... i want to know so i can use a IM program that i can use voice calls take a look at this http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html [21:55] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:55] hiptobecubic that is odd [21:55] Chameleon, that chart isn't really accurate. [21:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [21:56] Chameleon, pidgin can now do voice calls to google talk [21:56] pidgin now has voice [21:56] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:56] hiptobecubic, ok cool thank you [21:57] hiptobecubic, what is the number one e-mail used by linux users? [21:57] Chameleon, just an email client? I've been using webmail for a long time now, but probably thunderbird? [21:57] from mozilla [21:58] jgeboski, can you pastebin the output of ldd /usr/bin/skype [21:58] or /msg it to me [21:58] hiptobecubic, is that like hotmail,gmail? [21:59] hiptobecubic: http://pastebin.com/Bkt1zLJM [21:59] sylpheed, lightweight ^_^ [21:59] Chameleon, hotmail and gmail are webmail. They run in your browser. Thunderbird is a program that you can use to connect to a standard email account such as POP3. [21:59] Chameleon, thunderbird can also connect to gmail if you want it to [22:00] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:00] hiptobecubic, are you using the static or dynamic skype? [22:00] dynamic i believe [22:00] try static [22:00] that's what i am using [22:00] hiptobecubic, ok the i want to know what is the most use webmail used by linux users [22:01] Chameleon: webmail? ewwww. [22:02] open source webmail servers? or just webmail in general? [22:02] i like roundcube [22:02] but i use gmail :p [22:03] Chameleon: there isn't one. there are tons of different products, and there is no single dominating one [22:04] ananke, ok than you [22:04] ok [22:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:06] umm what about can people that use aim add me to there list if iam a gmail user? [22:06] |Slacker| (~cris@189.64.160.236) joined ##slackware. [22:08] you mean a gtalk instead of aim? [22:09] stormtracknole (stormtrac@72.242.71.146) left ##slackware. [22:09] can Pidgin have AIM and vise versa on ethers list and have voice talk [22:09] and video ? [22:10] Pidgin has one buddy list with multiply accounts [22:10] I personally have not tried voice of video in Pidgin [22:10] You will have to rebuild Pidgin too as I do not think Slackware ships with voice and video support [22:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:11] what i really need it iam going to be useing slackware but i want to be able to use a IM that can add AIM people so i can IM them [22:12] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:12] You can do that in Pidgin [22:12] useing a gmail webmail account [22:12] you can also use GTalk in pidgin too [22:12] which is what the chat inside GMail is [22:12] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:12] Wow, a Chameleon; so cool, you blend in perfectly with your background! [22:13] Chameleon: gtalk is a jabber (XMMP) protocol based, some time ago I believe that there were rumors of which AIM was going to support jabber, don't remember any more [22:15] ok well i think ill be ok for what i want to do :) thank you guys ill be back some time this week when iam ready to install slackware :) [22:17] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. 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[22:22] dvel: They don't yet, but the official client does have Facebook support now [22:24] i don't use facebook, or jabber... or nothing := [22:24] Double negative [22:25] pidgin does aim and xmpp flawlessly :) [22:25] -- = + [22:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:25] straterra, maybe he _does_ use something? [22:25] He said he does [22:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:27] ? [22:30] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:30] Hmm, if I don't have Halo Reach beta and don't have Modern Warfare 2, I wonder what the best game to play on Live is right now... [22:30] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:30] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [22:30] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [22:30] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. 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[23:03] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:03] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:04] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [23:08] when using lvm, is it recommended to have /boot outside the volume manager? [23:08] jd (jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left ##slackware ("©"). [23:08] That all depends upon how gnarly *you* are. [23:08] Yes..infact, I'm pretty sure you have too [23:08] the bootloader needs to be able to load the kernel [23:09] Are you gnarly, or uber gnar? [23:09] straterra: thats what I thought, but I'm not sure [23:09] I'd say I'm somewhere beteween gnar and creampuff [23:09] mtkoan: I know with grub you have to...dunno about lilo [23:09] But I imagine it'd need to be outside of it..and its just easier that way [23:10] ok [23:10] does any programming environment move especially in slack? (python, ruby, ...) [23:11] They all good in Slack [23:11] move? [23:12] I'm still pondering that boggle myself, too. [23:12] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.44.29) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:12] move... sorry, my english... ^_^ [23:12] move=work / function? [23:12] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:13] popular [23:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:13] latemus (1000@c-67-186-209-166.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] which is more popular [23:14] which programming language is more popular? [23:15] O_o [23:15] tiove, for example [23:15] I like assembly myself. [23:15] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [23:15] I..dont think language popularity has anything to do with distro [23:15] with major or minor credibility, they exist rankings [23:16] oh no, no with distro [23:16] maybe, more accepted [23:19] stupid question =:) [23:19] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-184-111.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:20] Catoptromancy (~Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:25] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:31] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad26ca.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:34] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:35] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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